yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Vibrant General] N8ter:
That still doesn't make sense.

5GB is 5120MB.

He'd have to download 190 MB a day on ~27 days to go over the 5G soft-cap and get throttled, and even for ROM-hoppers that seems a bit excessive, because you'd hardly get to use your phone hoppin that much.

Even if we assume he only downloaded a ROM on 20 of those days and used the rest with YouTube/Browsing/etc., it still seems like an unbelievable (and downright attrocious) use case.

No one ROM Hops that much, and no one who would ROM hops that much would use their phone as heir primary means of downloading ROMs. They'd probably always have another portable device with them due to the likely hood of a ROM having a bug that renders their phone unreliable/inoperable for a span of time.

I call shennanigans.
[Vibrant General] N8ter:
Lol.

Whatever... ~3GB (maybe more) in one day? Stop lying.

Why even post this ridiculousness.

If you're using that much data (you're not doing it on you phone [itself], that's for damn sure...), no data plan will save you because no carrier will allow you to abuse their network so openly without either cutting your off, throttling you, or charging you thousands in overages.

Just. Stop. It.

Your data usage (from what you provided) was very manageable up until the 23'rd, when it went up about 1000% of what it was on the 19th-22nd. That makes little to no sense (to me, and most likely not to T-Mobile), because the 19-22 is a Friday-Monday, and the 23rd is a Tuesday. You spent half of Tuesday using 3GB of data but used less than a quarter of that over the course of the entire weekend preceeding it? Lol!

I'm guessing you didn't have access to WiFi at 4AM when you used over 600MB of data, too?

Arguing for the sake of argument is never fun, especially when your own "proof" makes you look foolish...

Why are people tethering and then coming here to cry when they get Throttled by T-Mobile? STOP IT!
[Vibrant General] firefly6240:
You might try not using anything data related for a day. (if you can)

And then check the data usage.

Perhaps some rouge app or something is constantly using data bandwidth.

just a thought :)
[Vibrant General] epakrat75:
When not at home (away from WiFi and my computer) and I see that a new rom or mod has come out sometimes I simply don't want to wait until I get home. So, I'll download on the spot and try it. RDP usage eats up a bunch of data too. If I reach my 5GB limit early, I blame myself rather ***** at TMO. :D
[Vibrant General] androidcues:
your reading comprehension is so poor. tmobile can tell when u are tethering and they know i wasnt. There is a leak or a bleed somewhere. Dont worry its not the fallout from your hemmorhoids.

Whats the pont of posting if your just going to be a douchebag?

Thanks to the poster who actually made a suggestion. I found my laptop and dusted it off ((this g2 is really really powerful so sue me that i havent had a need for a laptop.))

And this phone downloads a nightly in two minutes. WHy bother with complicating it with a laptop bootup browser load find download link download upload to dropbox download to phone which is a download... or find my ****ing cable and mount the phone and ****ing jam it in or trouble myself with ****ing adb wireless. I mean why add twenty steps when rom manager does it. Why do you think cyanogen prefers folks use rom manager? It takes alot of work off his plate.

But this week ill be good.... just do my job (i download docs when i am on the road... for work... so stuff it)

vision
[Vibrant General] N8ter:
It's not a rogue app, because days before or after the 23rd do not show such high data usage (The 27th has quite a bit, but we all know what he's been using the phone for by now, right?). The data usage is his, not some rogue app. Of course, the template response is "maybe he installed it on the 23rd at ~4am and it started raping his data usage." I can take that, albeit with a few thousand grains of salt.

Any app downloading that amount of data would lead to other issues a well. For example, his phone wouldn't even last half a day off the charger due the 3G radio always being in use, and he's clearly be able to see that data was being downloaded just by glancing at the phone.
[Vibrant General] androidcues:
also is there any chance theres a wee bit of jealousy in play here? I just realized im in a totally foreign forum.. a samsung forum... of the Vibrant.. lol! Guys -- dont knock me for having a kickass phone --- its not the phone its the bleed.

just got off the phone with tmo and i've been de-throttled on probation for a week and they are working on a specific app dedicated to the throttlers club.

for the fifth time.. i do not tether... i do not watch videos other than whatever people send me, just youtubes.. and i do not tether. Again.. lets do this one more time... I do not tether.. i do not exessively watch videos (I have something called a television) and I most certainly do not have time to play games. I hate games. theyre for children.

do we need to do this again? for reading comprehension review

I do not tether. I do not excessively watch videos. I do not play games on the phone.

carpe diem vibrant owners!
[Vibrant General] hydrogenman:
if you exceeded your 5 gb cap in 4 days, then you're not a good customer
[Vibrant General] N8ter:
No, there's no jealousy in play. I wouldn't get a G2 because of the screen size, the hinge, and the small amount of internal storage it comes with.

I don't want one, can care less if you have one, and your issue is not a device specific issue. Anyone can run into those issues. I get over 4mbps down on my Vibrant here (in an HSPA+ market), so it's not like I would ever feel the need for an HSPA+ phone anytime soon, anyways.

What exactly is supposed to make me jealous.

Good about that, though. Now you can't download ROMs on you phone for a week. Whipee!

P.S. Read what I said about tethering in my third to last post upthread. Even if you tether, you're on the same data limit you had on your phone. You just have the ability to tether without being "potentially" blocked by T-Mobile. You data usage is you fault. There's nothing wrong with the system or your phone. Also, I like how you start personally insulting people. Get mad, much?
[Vibrant General] N8ter:
+1

But everyone thinks their some sort of special customer.
[Vibrant General] minogue:
You know, I honestly don't tether so its got me thinking about my usage. I downloaded a few games I would say 190mb this whole month. Such as angry birds which is 14mb and gangstar which I think is 50mb+. Anyway still under 200mb total.... The browsing shouldn't go over 1gb for the whole month. And youtube, well its the only excuse I can think of but still its not like I'm stick on the phone everyday watching videos, just when I'm bored and such but for a few minutes..
[Vibrant General] firefly6240:
it is hard to believe its a rouge app, but its pretty hard to hit the data cap even when your tethering, there's gotta be something weird there.

I'll be honest, I've hit it once or twice back when I was on my Mytouch3G and that was while tethered, watching hours upon hours of netflicks and downloading roms while browsing the net.

even so I did not hit the cap until over halfway through the month.

so unless he decided to tether and download a couple of full size blu ray movies or something ridiculous, which I'm always going to start out by giving the benefit of the doubt, then something weird is eating data and he is just looking to get down to the bottom of it.

as far as the data cap though, it never bothered me, and I understand why they have it.

there's not much we can do about that anyways.
[Vibrant General] N8ter:
Wouldn't be surprised if he used a Torrent app or something.

Whatever, though.

Part of the benefit of *****ing on a forum is that you can tell people what you want the facts to be and use an insurmountable number of excuses those people can't verify against non-biased data.
[Vibrant General] N8ter:
Agree. If you're a heavy YouTuber and listen to Slacker Pandora I can see you getting up to 3.5 GB... IN A MONTH. But 3.5GB in a day is unrealistic.

I do not buy the rogue app deal.

If the OP really thougth it was that, it would have been trivial to list the apps he has loaded on his phone and see if anyone else is having the same issues. I doubt that would be the case, though.

Tired, have a nice nite... err.. afternoon :P
[Vibrant General] minogue:
well im the Op and just to add my bill restarts tomorrow but like i have said, the day after i had problems everything started working fine, which was either a temporarily slowdown or idk. While some may not believe my usage, then its fine with me, its not like i can put a gun to their head and make them agree but even then they still wouldn't believe me.

As for a list of Apps, Sure:

Pandora

Mspot

Facebook

Trillian- "Rarely on"

Angry Birds

GangStar

Navigation - "2.5hours total this whole month" while traveling to dealerships to purchase my car and going to new york to celebrate Thanksgiving.

Youtube - explained already

Ford Mustang community App

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i downloaded roms (only 2) and android phone 7 icons and i think my 5GB is justified. I never really complained of it not being true. i believe it. HOWEVER:

My concern was that i was slowed down completely and being timed out on every site, i tried running a speed test using the app and it failed, no results or anything. yet again, this was all back to normal the day after when i started using my phone and my speeds seem to be 3g speeds which still are.
[Vibrant General] dmolition:
I listen to pandora for HOURS!

Always watch youtube videos, southparkstudios.com, etc.

I always browse the internet using 3G

And do unnamed things to try to reach the cap and I just can't

I can't see how you people can reach 5 GB :/
[Vibrant General] chaoscentral:
I have only once reached the 5GB cap, and that was last month and I tethered for over half the month(long story). I hit the cap on the very last day of the billing cycle so I wasn't really affected by it.
[Vibrant General] Emama:
Is the 5GB cap shared by who family plan, or each single line?
[Vibrant General] T313C0mun1s7:
I asked that very question when I got our two year contract. I was told that, just like the minutes, it is shared.

So if you are a family plan (especially if you have a third or more $5 lines), you are much more likely to hit it quicker.
[Vibrant General] funeralthirst:
it's per line. each line has to have it's own internet plan.
[Vibrant General] memorito:
Welp, even though you nice folks "flat" out called me a liar, your argument was my point. My usage and data consumption don't coincide. It's impossible. Hence, my theory that Tmo is making up the numbers. I am curious as to why the OP and I were both unthrottled? Perhaps they are finding system errors. And honestly, the posts about how we all have to be making it up for some whacked out sense of glory and the ones bending words and grammar into "proof" of low intelligence... Well it's just sad really. Grown men trolling about the interwebs looking for some poor shmoe to help boost their intellectual ego. How about instead you say, "Hey, that sounds all kindsa wrong. Could you download your taste records from the Tmo website and see if you notice anything hinky?" You know useful words instead of fetid hot air. You wanna battle? Go back to your WoW our whatever it is you do...

/rant

I don't think it's a rogue app. What could it possibly be transferring? But I do figure the 5gb cap will have to be raised just due to the fact that 80% of my 200 apps are ad supported and constantly downloading... I am sure the past decades worth of studies referenced earlier didn't take that into account. How about someone make a tally of how many market apps require network permission? I am sure it increases daily and not proportionally.

Oh, and solely for clarity again, as I don't see why it should matter, I do not/have not tethered. I have an iMac and think it impractical to disconnect my cable modem to instead use my phone...

//rant - damn, thought I'd finished...

Mobility... www.MemosWorld.com
[Vibrant General] N8ter:
I check mine and they're fine. I check it every month, just as I have been for almost the past decade.

Data is per line. There is no shared data plan. That is why you pay $30 per phone on a family plan for data, but only once for the shared minutes. Dunno who at T-Mobile would bother saying the opposite (that font in use by the poster upthread is hard on the eyes and I don't know why it's so damn hard to change it to something with "thicker lines").

There's no rogue app on your phone. You aren't the first person to make a thread about your ridiculous data usage and blame it on some app or T-Mobile's system (Lol?). You won't be the last.

And if you don't want to "battle" with anyone it would behoove you to cease putting trollish quips in your posts.
[Vibrant General] memorito:
Sorry, didn't realize I was just supposed to grin and bare it. In any case you don't really add any useful information, at least not for my situation, so poof be gone.

Oooooh and instead of "suggesting" folks change their fonts, why don't you go into your settings and override it? Seems simple enough really.

"N8ter-chu, I choose you!"

Mobility... www.MemosWorld.com
[General Questions and Answers] Xyzkid13:
I hate writing newbie, but I feel like I kind of am...

Anyway, I recently purchased a Droid 2 Global after my G1 finally felt too old. My G1 had been rooted with custom roms, and I miss that on my Droid. If I root, can I still get the OTA updates from Verizon? If I go to About Phone after rooting, will I still be able to upgrade to the newest update, or will I be blocked? I know I'll lose root if I upgrade, but do I even have the option once rooted?

Thanks!:D
[Captivate General] crossover37:
I'm running Geomod rom on my phone and I love it but I want to see if there's a way for me to keep the rom and still remove the bluish hue on the Captivate because it's annoying. Any ideas? Thanks.
[Fascinate General] soba49:
If a moderator can remove this thread, please go ahead!

I dug deeper into fallingup's recovery thread. It never occurred to me that it might make a difference to clear cache and factory reset AFTER doing an update. I did that, which seemed to clear up my FC loop. I fell into a page that asked me what language I was speaking, and was prompted to set up my google account -- which failed. Couldn't connect to data services, not even WIFI. So *228 and Activated my phone (again). Google still wouldn't log in. Went to Settings/Privacy/Factory reset. Selected English, google logged in this time. My phone appears to be completely back to its original stock state. Root is gone. Even bing is back, lovely. Thanks angel12!

... now if I could just figure out why that update.zip paired with the modem.tar that started all this wouldn't sing for me in recovery mode.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

First off, I apologize for cluttering this forum, but I'm at a bit of a loss here. I also failed to find the server for IRC. I'd really appreciate a small push.

Here goes: I got into download mode from the command line. I flashed over my modem with Odin, got a PASS, rebooted fully (shouldn't have done this) with no errors. Next, I popped into recovery mode. From there, I decided to factory reset _and_ wipe my cache -- it seemed like a good idea at the time. It seems like a bad idea now. Finally, I told recovery to apply update.zip from my sdcard. It flat out refused! Complained that the .zip wasn't signed. So, I rebooted.

I then experienced my first FC loop! The culprit is TouchWiz launcher, which just repeatedly closes unexpectedly.

So then I restored the DI01 modem, which didn't change a thing. Next, I ran Stock-i500-VZW-System.tar.md5 through Odin. It updated with no problems.

However, I still have my Force Close Loop, which I expected going to stock would fix.

What I think is really going on is I'd been using ADW Launcher, coupled with an app that switched it to being the 'default'. Something somewhere, must be giving TWiz a hard time.

The good news is I still have adb shell access and root.

* Is there anything I can do to make that homescreen switcher app run on my phone without using a launcher (from shell, for instance)?

* Is there some important point I'm missing about my recovery (I've flashed back everything I changed, at least in my mind)

* Perhaps I could flash something else from Recovery, and that would clear this up?

* It would be great to know what I did that messed this up.

EDIT:

I meant DI01, not "Di05". Nice catch!

It turned out in my case that data wipes were crucial - the factory wipe in system, and the data/factory reset &or cache partition in recovery mode.
[Fascinate General] TheBadBen:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=782204

Follow this to the letter. Been there, done that. Home Switcher isn't what went wrong. You'll be fine in 10 minutes.

Wait. DI05??? Do you mean DI01 or DJ05? You need to make sure you flash the modem that matches your ROM. Either easy is fine, and probably didn't have anything to do with your force close loop, but make sure they match or you won't be able to text.

And PDA in Odin.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Aevum:
Ok, im a bit fustrated with this.

i have a Spanish Vodafone HD2, unlocked with proper code, has cotulla HSPL, currently running on a dutty 3.14 based rom with radio 2.15.50,

the thing is after some hours on standbym the phone just decides to not come back out of sleep, and the phone has to be reset (red botton) or pull the battery out,

i´ve used several MicroSD cards, both formated with windows 7 or the panasonic SD formatter (could windows 7 be the issue ? )

my main microSD cards were a Apacer 8GB class 4 card and a sony 8GB class 4 Card, i also have a 16GB class 2 Sandisk to experiment on.

anyways, phone stats

Cotulla HSPL 2.08

tried with artemis, dutty and energie roms

used both mdeejay and hastarin kernels same issue in both.

Using radio 2.15.50

formating the microSD´s using windows formater and panasonic SD formatter using a hama multicard reader

adding andlog from last crash.

thank you in advance for any comment or help.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] azzzz:
I'm not an expert but...here goes....which android build did you try? I have great result with mdj's revolution and hd2one build...sleep of death seems to be caused by mt sd card, in my case anyway. Try to have only the android build on the card to see if it makes a different. Also, have you try one of the "lite" android friendly rom?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] eenbox:
Following has served me in the past to find and troubleshoot the issue you above list to have:

1. Install BSB Tweaks in WinMo and have Power Saving turned ON but everything else turned OFF... biggest option you want OFF is AUTO-LOCK feature under Windows Mobile. Many people will tell you how this does not matter since WinMo is not loading blah blah - just go ahead and disable this - it will not hurt anything.

2. Under WinMo disable Brightness Automatic option while you have phone sensor under direct strong light bulb and choose manually to have 10-15% - more is not needed in WinMo since you will be using Android.

3. When you get into Android, do the same: disable Auto-brightness under strong light bulb into manual percentage which suits you the best.

4. Another tip is to have G-Sensor tested; this mainly depends on kernels whether they include G-Sensor fix but go ahead and disable it completely. Fors testing purposes I recommend that you test the device under certain option for a few days instead of few minutes.

What conf I have? Energy GTX 2.5 WinMo 3.14 based; Radio 2.15.50.xx; Android HyperDroid 1.7 with mychprima's kernel OCd and UVd; No setCPU is installed nor I am using any of it's profiles naturally. Auto-Killer is set to system default since it came with the Android Buiuld I am using. Never experienced the no-wake-up screen under this setup even with G-Sensor ON.

Hope some of these tips help you at least to figure whether you have good configuration ...

Question: Spanish Vodafone HD2 you said? That means you have HTC HD2 and not T-Mobile US HD2 (more memory, etc) ... If I were you I would check whether that device needs 2.15.51.xx version and not the "50" version...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Aevum:
I´ll try the light sensor thing. but i think theres no 2.15.51 radio,

is that the differance between .50 and .51 radios ? US vs EUR radios ?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Aevum:
Followed instructions.

got SoD after 2 and a half days insted of 12 hours.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Aevum:
New death.

New log,

If anyone can examine it, i would me most thankful.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] heitaas:
I also get lot of sod. I have tried more than 10 builds, different kernels, 3 microSD and couple of wm Rom & radio combos. still after various time sod will come. Disabling auto brightness and G-sensor does not help. Are there anyone who can really help for this problem? Is it sdcard problem or kernel? Android is running great and smooth only one problem is SOD.
[Epic 4G General] hayabusa1300cc:
as title states.

It doesn't seem to be the samsung drivers

as I have uninstalled and reinstalled.

but the Android drivers. I have no Android drivers installed anymore

(the 3 of 4 that installs)

therefore i lose adb connectivity

*This has happened on 2 different Windows 7 installations. (switching between 2 different hdds, on this laptop)

I have usb debug on ofcourse.

I have uninstalled reinstalled latest samsung drivers.

I have installed pdanet drivers.

I have turned off phone, while connected then boot up. still no fix.

I am using acs froyo dk17. But this happened with dk05 as well.

Is there a fix for this?
[Epic 4G General] ruben8448:
I've had this problem twice. The way I fixed it was to wipe the sd card. Its a pain but that's what fixed it
[Epic 4G General] leatherneck6017:
If not a driver problem (doesn't sound like it is) the next *usual* suspect would be the usb cable. The samsung cable that shipped with these phones is crap. I got a 6' belkin one on amazon for $8 that has worked flawlessly.
[Epic 4G General] bigray327:
Make sure you're not using a USB port that's on a hub or daughtercard. It should be one that's directly on the motherboard.
[Epic 4G General] drunix:
I kept fiddling with settings and rebooting both phone and computer and got past this once on my old win7 box. On my new one, I got nowhere after an hour or so. Worked first thing with the same cable on my win xp machine.

Plug your phone into a USB1 only hub, or on the same channel as a usb 1 keyboard or mouse and it will detect just fine... it won't really be useful because it won't be able to flash still (I believe it should detect as a composite device with several facets and only some of those are usb1-only compatible). I believe that the underlying problem is a bad implementation of the usb spec on one of the usb2 only parts, but I didn't feel like digging any deeper. I might try a win xp vm on the same physical hw to see if I can narrow it down to a win7 usb2 + device usb2 compatibility issue. Might be worth making sure our win7 patches are up to date, too.
[Epic 4G General] hayabusa1300cc:
Thanks for the replies guys.

The usb trick won't work because it's a laptop. And I tried all four of them. I only have windows 7 machines. One being a ultra sff and has like 12 usb ports. It hasn't failed me yet, but happens on the laptop.

It wouldn't hurt to get another cable, a longer one. And my sd is maxed out, I will pull it instead of format.

Thanks all
[Epic 4G General] nutswillkillme:
I had this problem. Plugged into the back instead if the hub and reinstalled everything. Now it's working like a charm on all usb ports. Really odd problem.