yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] meltwater:
Thanks for the feedback.

Yep the shortcut is a cut and paste error.

It should support the two different sense tv pages since the mode9 file is used as the detection method (and also the xml filename). I'll upload an update for those.

If you can post the info of the other tabs (i.e. the stuff which goes into the tab control file) I can make them (although I half think they are already there).

At the moment the titles are not translated, but using my LangApi from my other projects it would be easy to do it, but you would need a language file for each language containing the names of each of the tabs. Besides which, if SenseUtil is used via shortcuts, it is only the shortcuts which would need to be renamed.

The fixed names, for "eReader" and "TV Player" probably came from where-ever I picked up the section from, the issue is on 1st start sense does not populate the title correctly. But I am happy to put the IDS names in, I just didn't have them to hand.

I'll look into your post in more detail later, and make my response slight better structured.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Z80-Man:
The localized names can actually just be the [[IDS_xxxx]] already translated by Sense : no need to add another file !

Of course, the translations have to exist, either from stock in the standard manila files or in any modified version of them (where they are often added), or additional files, provided they are included in the tab's CAB.

If they're not, then users will get [[IDS_xxxx]], displaying, of course, but I think it's not an issue, if we consider that :

- A correctly made CAB should always contain the correct language files, at least about the languages it's supposed to support.

I mean, people making CABs should make efforts to make them clean. :) I personnally always inspect and modify the CABs before installing them, now : sometimes I fix some translation error or omission, and I redirect the shortcut to a relevant subfolder (generally to %StartMenu%\Programs\Tools).

The wost case being people using a hard path such as "\Windows\Start Menu\..." where "Start Menu can actually wear a totally different name, leading to the shortcuts being created elsewhere and not showing in the menu !

People should really pay attention to details like that. :) I wouldn't like to release CABs with such obvious defects !

- In case the [[IDS_xxxx]] definitions are absent, they still stay significant enough to be recognized... Plus it will warn the user that the CAB lacks something ! :p

- In case you don't find the translation string, then you could still use a replacement name... Probably English (WWE) for better versatility !
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Edward72:
Made life a lot easier... thank you
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] mike2nl:
Hi meltwater,

an additional idea. I will add the manila today page tab.

Will do my tests, and after that i will publish it here.

Also program tab, game15 tab (MoonNah), gps tracker and gps horizont.

Possible some more...;) because a very new ROM from Leo ;)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] meltwater:
That would be excellent, I'll pull it into the latest release. I've not had time to do it myself, as you know! ;)

Let me know if you need any additional info, the mode9 file name of the resource files are key and must match the mode9 file referenced by the Name="page" entry and the "ManilaPath" must also match...

The info Z80_man posted is very handy and I've done a few of the quick changes mentioned already, apologies to him for not completing it and posting them.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] mike2nl:
\Yes i know the facts ;). Because that i will do it. Hehe i am free for 8 days now. So i have time. ALso the RSS and FB things must be ready for the ROM ;-). I'll keep you posted
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] mike2nl:
Hi meltwater,

i don't forget you, but i am very busy with the new Laurentius26 Platinum Rom. It is a very cool one. Fast, stable and it has FB and RSS tab. I had helped out to manage thgis in the rom. Coooool

SenseUtil is not cooked in, becauyse there was a problem, but this will be solved.

The both tabs for MTP and MTV are in actual development for sense util :D.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] meltwater:
Hi Mike,

Think we need to get together on this and compare notes.

I've just uploaded the latest updates I've done for SenseUtil (although they are only small changes to the resource files and shortcut as Z80_man pointed out).

Also let me know what the issue was with cooking, since SenseUtil has been kept as basic as possible.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] meltwater:
Ok, may have a solution for those IDS_ values when you switch onto my new tabs for the first time.

Here is what I found!

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=13495030#post13495030

Hopefully it'll be just a case of adding the new tab names to these files. Hopefully I can add any others which other tabs may add to the files (i.e. not sure if the GPS tab adds or replaces these files). Afterall, we don't want lots of different versions laying around, replacing others and confusing everything!

I've attached one from an old ROM I had, I'll compare with my current and also if you have any extra tabs such as the GPS or ManilaTV can you see if there is any difference please?

Thanks!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] mike2nl:
Hi meltywater,

so i has written, here my 1st additional tab for your amazing sense util app.

The tab name is: Manila Today Page (short MTP) Links to thread(s): main thread, 2nd thread, google

Our good old blezalex had have a very good idea a long time ago. I have all the source code from google and i have changed a lot things in the last two years to make it more stable. Also three new icoans are added.

The best thing is, i have managed now to use your SenseUtil to add and remove the Manila Today Page. Yes it is done ;). I have tested it twice.

I have made now a rar file with all in it. The new sense util cab, the manila today page cab and the three files for the MTP.

Shortly i will start a thread for the manila today page applications. I have a lot of little apps for this. From RSS ;), FB ;), Twitter, Sun&Moon, Birthday, and.., and.., and.., and...

The one who is interested to work with me togheter on this. Please PM me to talk about it. Or use skype, my name ther is: mike2nl

And now have fun guys.

1st Update - Shortcut - Remove Doc tab:

there was an mistake in the manila file name (46EF5322_manilaa). Two times the letter a. This is fixed and tested.

2nd Update - Game 15 tab:

my next tab will be the game 15 tab from MoonNah. The very nice and old game. Then the GPS Tracker and GPS Horizont. Then i hope i can manage the Media Tab. But there are some more... ;):rolleyes::cool::eek:

3rd and last update UPDATE in this positin here:

because an error in my kitchen and the last missing test (to short on time, and i was sure), i had have some trouble with the files. A big Thank You to Chancer63 for the info. Now the right files are uploaded and you can download it at the bottom of this posting.

Be sure that you use only these tab files, because the original one have allways the manila tab control file inside the cab. Or a special program that will overwrite the sense util action and you can damage the manila system. All this you do on your own risk (to have the law things done).

To have a view of what is possible, please take a look here that all tabs are working. There will be more but my free time is to short to get all things shortly. I think the next are the both GPS tabs. The Tracker and the Horizont. I have also a version 4 of these files, but i have to test it before.

All the original cabs are not my work. Every author has done a very good job to have the things running, and i will give them a very big Thank You for here work. What i have done is, to get the things working with sense util. Now all the tabs can be added and removed automaticly with the shortcut's. Also the graphics are new, because the amazing ROM from Laurentius26. I can upload the older and original graphics on request, if someone have the wish to use the old one. The original authors for the graphics are named in here cab files. I have added only my avatar name to show that the cab files are changed. OK, some little things i had to do that after i had reviewed the code, it was a little must for me :D. So please, don't be angry ;).
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] meltwater:
Sounds excellent!

Can you send me the files and I'll update sense util with your changes and mine?

I can add you to the codeplex project for it if you like or you can send it to me and I'll check it in.

I'm not sure yet how best to add the updated tab title files, I still need to investigate further, as I think some custom tabs use the file instead of their own, so replacing them may mess up those ones.

Ah the sense today tab, I do remember trying it a long time ago, hopefully you've managed to get it more stable. Now I know more about sense will be interesting to look at it again.

Will be good to get a updated version of senseutil out, it does seem to do the job and has saved me lots of user issues I think!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] mike2nl:
The files are in the rar package above your posting. The new manila today page cab file, the manila.xml file and the both links (add & remove). And the new sense util cab file named as: meltwater_SenseUtil(6952_mike2nl).cab. But that you must change :p.

3rd Update - Game 15 tab:

it is ready and up and running. Please see the screenshot.

But for that the original game15.cab file has to be changed.

Because there are some extra files in it that to the work

with the manila tab control file ;). I will upload this file too.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] meltwater:
Ok didn't realise it was in there. Cheers, will see if I can package it up etc when I get chance to. Great stuff!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] meltwater:
Ok I've found missing items in the manila title language files which are in my NRG rom, so will see if I can fix them.

Typically entries are not complete for the document and reader tabs.

Will need translations for the missing items though, but will at least correct the files to include all the entries, then people can update/post translations when they want to fix them.

I've added the language title files to the 1st post so that people can manually use them (just drop the files into windows and reset sense).
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] jirkab:
Czech & Slovak titles

Czech & Slovak titles manila files
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] meltwater:
I'll do an update of the sense util tool when I return at the end of May.

Thanks.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] mike2nl:
Posting 108 is new, because some damaged files in the download area (my kitchen had have some damaged files).

Here again a very big Thank You to the user Chancer63 who has informed me about that issue.

But now all is OK and you guys can use it. All the files are new and correct uploaded. What i have changed is:

- the sense util shortcuts (some are not working in the cab file from the first download and meltware is informed about that issue),

- the cab files for the tabs

- and the graphics for the tabs.

Read for your self. There is also a link to the screenshots and more is comming.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] mike2nl:
Hi Z80-Man,

possible we can do it togehter because i have 3 different packages for that, and i will work on this. But two people at the same brings more effort.

Link to main thread
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] BHS Interceptor:
Muchas gracias to all of you involved in this magnificent proyect :D This will let us add all desired tabs :) Muchas gracias again ;)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] mike2nl:
Hi BHS,

that's not all :D. I am very busy with the e-book reader tab. Because so many issues with all the standalone cab files, i have started my own configuration. And it is done. I have now a e-book reader cab file that is build from out 4 diferent once and my own work. This one is running and he is useable together with SenseUtil. Because the size of that file i have to find a good place for storage., mhh possible in my own dropbox. So when i have solved the storage issue i will publish the download in posting 108.

Also i am busy with the next tab. The GPS Tracker, but this needs a little bit time. I think the weekend will the right day to publish it :D.

@all:

And now again my call to all users. The one who is interested to work together with me on a thread for the manila today page applications can PM me.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] mike2nl:
GPS Tracker en GPS Horizon V4.2

Hi guys and meltwater,

currently i have 24 tabs running on Laurentius26 Platinum WWE Full Version Rom. Jesus, what a lot of work ;). But for you as user we do nearling everthing to get it running :p.

Ok, the GPS Tracker and GPS Horizon is running very well with sense util. Add and remove is tested with both tabs. Yes, we did it again.

Notice:

in posting 108 you will find all the other cabs. Only one is missing cab file is missing. I mean the eReader tab. But this tab is also ready and tested with SenseUtil. BHS Interceptor was one of the testers so as me. I had to combine 4 different eReader cabs to get it running with no issue. Sometimes other tabs will not start again when the eRader Tab was added. I have found the problems after some days. Now i have fixed lua and mode9 files. A lot of work, belive me.

At the end i have two cab files for the eReader Tab. One with the reader engine and tab control. And one with the eBooks. Because the amount of memory and performance while the installation. The two cab files will also be uploaded shortly.

Update 1:

- there is a also needed cab file. The name is: SetupEBookLibraryManager v0.3 + new icon.cab from the user hubie in posting 39 in the thread from OABsoftware. I will add this file to the base. In the mean while please wait for the update. I will write the Update 2 when it is done.

- also a really help full tool from loquillo_rojo is to re-write the ebook.dat with the eBookIndexer in Version 0.4. This tool will find the eBooks also on the sd card. So far you have used the same folder structure as on the internal drive C:\My Documents\Reader\ebook.dat, C:\My Documents\Reader\Images\ and C:\My Documents\Reader\Books. BTW: there are allways two images. The thumb JPG with 58x58 pixel and the main JPG one with 250x380 pixel.

- the next help full tool is calibre. A free eBook tool that can collect, reorgenize eBooks. In this thread you will find an add-on that's handle unicode and fonts for multiple language support. The user mentor17 has added this plugin in posting 84 here in this thread from OABsoftware a while ago.

- last but not least... please say thank you to the original authors

Update 2:

tbd...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] BHS Interceptor:
He,he,he lot´s of work but also quite some fun - now we can enjoy the tabs and install the "plug&play" :D Let´s get that e-reader online :p
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] mike2nl:
Hi guys,

posting 119 is updated....

@meltwater:

it is your thread i only helped out and collected some help full information. And now we go back to sense util. The greatest sense tool ever ;)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] mike2nl:
today i am starting with the next tab. It is the....internet radio tab that flows around as vga here on xda. I have recoded all that to have the WVGA back. It is working.

But i am on a second way for the internet radio tab. I know also the media center tab, but then there are some issues with all the new roms. I have tested a lot of holy s...t all based on the roms from Laurentius26, and i have seen so many issues. Nothing was really clean. SO i have done my work xda guys. And all is running. 25 tabs at the moment and fast and stable.

I am also busy with the settings for the manila today page. But i have also a day job XDA guys, to have to eat and be a good fahter for my childs!

BTW:

and the comitee means i doing not enough for XDA. Pfft, guys you are sick. And i copy only things from online kitchens? How many people are copy from my stuff? I am telling the users when ever i use stuff from others. Guys i think you must learn to read.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] seas1:
thank you

Hi Mike!

I appreciate your work very much, looking forward for as many as possible tabs for Sense.

You and meltwater are doing a wonderful job here, please don´t stop because of other people´s opinions.

thanks again, seas
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] mike2nl:
Hi seas1,

we don't stop with our work. Because we have so many ideas and meltwater is one of the dev's who works so hard also when others say: BLA , BLA..

It was a moment shot from me because messages like that are really stupid. I think some of these guys have no work and will tell us what we have to do or not. Sorry that is stupid. I am one of the guy's from the netherlands who was more then once in the states to work for flood issue in florida. To help the people to have a more secure neigbourhood against the water. And these guys will tell me about technics. Sorry, they have to learn to listen.

And now back to work.

Update:

- the inet radio tab is fixed and working. I have to do a last test with all things togehter today. Then we look further.

I have to say thank you to gabana-music for the original cab file.

Why.. our friend MoonNah is working also very hard on the russian forums, but i have lost the contact to him. Possible he has to learn a lot at the moment. The russian forums are also a big favor from me, because these guys are really open and helpfull. From that XDA can learn a lot. The original file is no longer to download after a database clean up, so i had to search. Becuase my server crash, i have lost a lot of work. Lucky i am with my second server. But a lot of work what was done i had lost for ever. I have to do this again, uaahhhh. So...Thank you gabana-music
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] illi:
Social Tab

A Social Tab with Facebook, Twitter, etc would be nice. Any chance of having that?;). Also a Media Tab with Web TV, Internet TV, etc too:D

Thanks
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] meltwater:
Yep all good ideas, and all possible, just need the hours of coding time to do it.

Anyway, we shall keep pushing the limits of sense and windows mobile and see what gems we can produce! Just takes time...and lots of effort.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] mike2nl:
Hi illi,

normally i would say yes. Principle no problem, but since so many different roms are out, it is nearly ompssible to do this job. Or you start a complete new thing. I mean coding from up the base with own code. And so far as i meltwater know... he says now yes ;).

I have done now my test with a team and the most used roms for the HD2 (4 different) but at the end is only one rom over. Because it is 100% asia code and has no mix and it is the nearest stock code as possible.

On this rom i have running allways 25 tabs. I am testing now 5 more, but there is a lot of work to do with this new tabs. And the amazing side is, that the rom holds the speed.

After i had tested the multimedia center tab, the roms has lost around 30% performance, and that on all roms. So i was back to standalone tabs. And when you watch the use of memory, the activeted services and the performance need, wow. I will use more tabs and i have no issues.

You will find in the outer space of our good old internet a lot of combinations, but allways the cook have enough issues, allways and that for shure. And the only rom what i mean, has more possibillties. Wait a certain time and you will be surprised, this is sure.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] chancer63:
I just installed it. When I press on Send SMS there is a Window in Russian. I think it means "Choose Receiver of SMS". Maybe it's not translated completely?

First impression: Wow! There seems so much that you can do with this tab...

CU
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] mike2nl:
Hi chancer63,

have you choosen the english language?

This is the only one i have checked complete.

There must be work also for others to translate :D.

It is also possible that i have missed some basics.

But please wait until the weekend. I will start a thread for all this and the downloads.

Is that OK for you?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] chancer63:
Yes. It is still there. See attached pic.

But that's small problems, thanx 4 your hard work...

CU
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] illi:
@meltwater/@mike2nl

You guys are amazing:cool: Thanks for being so diligent. I know it needs 'blood' and 'sweat' to accomplish all these. Too bad I am not into coding otherwise you will get that some extra hand from me. For me its not how many tabs there are, but I think consolidating the tabs makes better use. As an example, I have linked to Twitter from the Facebook tab instead since the Twitter tab is not functioning.

Anyway, thanks and many thanks:) Looking forward to your work.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] meltwater:
Yes I agree to a point, clearly everything can't belong to the same tab as it kinda removes the whole point of sense, easy multitasking and shortcuts to the important stuff.

But I totally agree that presenting data in a user focused way is better than dividing up under arbitrary things like which service you are using. It's like SMS messages without threaded conversations, it makes perfect sense when you have it that you may want to refer to your last message with that person, regardless of how long ago it was. HTC has taken this further with the social widgets or whatever on android (I've not used it but I get the idea), so combining all your interactions with that person into one thread makes sense.

Things like the hubs which WP has gone for, is probably the route to go. Of course like I said, it all takes time but we will do what we can.

I intend to try out new ideas and concepts as part of my development, rather than just cloning what other apps do, it takes longer to do it and it doesn't always work but we get different features to normal and it's more interesting anyway.

I'm always open to ideas and suggestions, and you or anyone else is welcome to post ideas on the threads or on the wiki. The main limit is development time, as the devices we have are more than capable of doing most of what we code them to do (even if we have to wait sometimes for processing until we've been able to optimise the code).

[Hey we waited 10-15mins to load a 48k game from tape in the old days...so I know how to wait]

My coding isn't perfect (I've self-taught the WM stuff so I know it's not particularly good) but I know enough about embedded software that I can get things working one way or another, and I'll fix any bug I can test for.

I suggest if you want to discuss the future of sense, a good thread to have this kind of discussion is here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=956682

There is plenty of mileage in WM I think, at least until android and WP etc have matured a little more.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] illi:
I posted at that thread sometime back. I had a look it again a while ago and it's a "ghost town" now. Looks like most have moved on to other devices. My Topaz is now almost exactly 2 years old and I'm still loving it. I'll keep it going as long as I can:D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] meltwater:
Yep not much is moving with it, I think WM dropped off a lot but I think it is returning to a background level of activity now the initial excitement of WP has dropped.