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[Defy General] DunkDream:
Dear community,

We have our Defy section which is totally awesome. Now it's time to begin the real work here.

I wanted to spend some time with the Defy Android development and wanted to know if we could gather information about the bootloader, kernel and the bootstrap recovery here.

I just want to know how Motorola tries to secure their phones and how we could work around the protection.

Every helpful post is welcome. Let's see if we can beat Motorola and make the Defy one of the best phones around (or is it already?...no doubt is awesome!)

Best regards,

DunkDream
[Defy General] twon23:
This site should be of some use.

https://www.droid-developers.org/

lots of info about motorola devices and all about the boot processes, hardware ect. Hope this helps.
[Defy General] nitewalkergr:
And see here. Custom recovery is on the way along with custom roms.
[Defy General] kibiwi:
I didn't understand if for the defy there is still a bootloader problem to solve or if it's a question to find cookers who have time to make a defy custom rom...Anybody have some fresh news?
[Defy General] arayray:
Trust me since Handler got his defy you will have a custom recovery and roms. He does good work, just be patient
[Defy General] Damool:
He does seem confident about it :P I sure hope to get froyo on this rugged little beast ;)
[Defy General] vanloque:
Yes, at least for C2DM capability! :D

I'll buy a beer to Handler when he suceeds!
[Defy General] SteveChou:
anyone know where can i find a Tmo defy sbf?
[Defy General] DunkDream:
It seems that Handler already started to work with the Motorola Defy.

Hope he realizes that the Defy is such a great phone.

I'm sure that he'll do it...he'll get us a receovery method and custom Roms.

AND he can be sure to get a donation if he succeeds. That's a point of honour.
[Defy General] kibiwi:
Hope then good news from Handler...

Anyway this is my very firt android device I know few things about cooking in the android world I cooked some winmo roms and I don't know if there are similarities. Many of you have some experience in this field so I ask you an advice on where I could start to learn the structure of the android roms and the tools to use...
[Defy General] twon23:
This might help: http://twon23.blogspot.com/2010/11/android-for-beginners.html

Just a few links i put together on my blog to help android newbies. Some of it may be a bit basic but it has got some useful stuff there.
[Defy General] kibiwi:
Thanks I'll have a look at it;) I am a bit curious to learn more on Android...
[Defy General] vshymanskyy:
I remember doing a TP (test point) helped to flash cracked bootloader on my older Motorola...

Can it apply to our Android device?
[Defy General] switchgott:
Hi,

i guess no one will do it!

Maybe there is no interesst in cooking own bootloader to kill closed booloader from moto.

Hacking the bootloader will also be easy for hackers (perferct hackers:-) )

But no one do it.
[Defy General] paulle:
it seems all people with the capacity to hack the bootloader aren't interested in doing it.
[HD7 General] harsaphes:
Well after having my HD7 since launch I returned it today and went back to my HD2 running Android.

The last straw for me was using Youtube and seeing the lousy video playback..in a centered screen. WTF is that? Totally unacceptable in my book.

While I like the look of the UI, theres just something about it that got tiresome.

Real Cons for me were.

I really dislike IE.

Youtube.

Battery life.

No LED notifications.

Amount of animations to get something done.

No Google Maps.

Homescreen tiles. While pretty, because most tiles are the same color I found it confusing to quickly choose what I wanted.

Camera was a toss up. Some photos were great, some not.

I never got around to playing games on it because battery life was so bad.

Anyway you get the idea. I gave it a shot and I will be keeping an eye on it.

I hope it works out for all you others.
[HD7 General] VizagDude:
Good for you. I don't think you are set to be an early adopter anyway.

This OS is still in its infancy. So, I would say you guys should hold off on getting the WP7 until the next version.

I, for one LOVE this OS and I do not have any issues for the functions that I use this phone on a daily basis... Phone Call, Internet, Mails, Movies and Music. No issues what so every. I also use the camera, and if at all, thats the only only issue I have compared to the HD2. I think the camera should be improved a bit more.
[HD7 General] retrofred:
Agreed

I do have to agree that the OS is still new and has some bugs to be worked out, but over all I really enjoy the HD7 and WP7. The OS is simple and for myself was ready for something a little simpler them the current OS systems out there. I have found it in some ways to be a blending of the Android and IPhone, but still remaining Windows. The camera is a little difficult and touchy to get good pics, but hey it's a phone.

I think in the months to come we will see updates from MS and they will adress some of the small issues. MS has invested alot money into the development of WP7, and feel and hope that MS will really put the resources needed to futher develope the firmware/software.
[HD7 General] yly3:
Sorry to hear that but hey it wasn't meant to be a fully loved OS by everybody.

Btw what are you going back to ? (or forward)

Personally, I am very satisfied with the OS so far and I am in a long run with Microsoft on this one. If other OSs aren't catching up in terms of speed (besides functionality) I doubt I will break away from WP7 any time soon. Me being more the music/browsing/e-mail type of guy it does perfectly what others haven't been able to reach yet.
[HD7 General] tokuro:
i have to agree on some points. I do like the fact it's "speedy" but really dislike about camera (but that is not a OS issues but HTC's, i believe). considering the platform being only a few weeks (almost a month) old, it's got good start. Just as Nokia N900 when it first came out, there were issues. they will be address as time pass by. Microsoft just need a bit of support from all of us to really expand their market.

I think having Apple, Google and Microsoft in the mix will keep different inovation to come into the market.

i'm sorry for your experience but i guess no single solution will make everyone happy.
[HD7 General] harsaphes:
Going back to HD2 running Android.
[HD7 General] unlockMe:
would be interested to know what Android web browser has that WP7 IE does not?

speed is the same, rendering is the same, Android has a tendency to "block render" a bit more than IE on slow sites, overall same experience between the two.

Also, Youtube is an application for WP7, it is not part of WP7 so judging the OS based on a crappy app is not a fair evaluation of its capabilities.

I am usually streaming youtube vids from home while connected to my WIFI and quality is pretty decent, got a bit worse over slow 3G but don't see how it could better with Android.
[HD7 General] truffle1234:
guys its personal preference and if some one likes to RUN android on a machine which is not made for it.. i will rest my case....

why do u want to run android on a WM device when there are so many android device in the market...

all the best to u my friend.... and the only valid reason u had was the youtube app... which ic not even WP7 app... any way all the best..
[HD7 General] mikee1680:
I've considered returning my HD7 many times. What's really keeping me from returning my phone is the potential. The UI on WP7 is beautiful. If you guys try the Flux and the IMdB apps, you'll know what I mean.
[HD7 General] MartyLK:
I'm keeping mine. I actually love it. I had a first gen iPhone and loved it. This HD7 and WP7 is every bit as good as that iPhone and is better in numerous ways. To me, it feels like a luxurious high-end Lexus or Infiniti. I find it to be the absolute best phone ever created. Just purely gorgeous from every aspect, externally and internally. WP7 is a sweet piece of kit.

Too bad you are giving up on it. The next update will likely solve your concerns. I knew what would be *initially* lacking in WP7 and still find it pure bliss.
[HD7 General] eternalemb:
+1. I'm willing to do without a few features for another month or so till the update, because this phone is fantastic. Once the updates starts taking care of more and more issues being one of the first WP7 (specifically HD7) owners will be so worth it. :D
[HD7 General] tfn:
I been from Nokia apple android and now the Hd7

So yeah I have had all of them :) Each has the goodies and the baddies

although I am more inclined towards android.. ( hope nokia ditches symbian and goes with their meego which is also linux based like android.. or just go with android )

WM7 and HD 7 is the lovable although i do agree they they to update the OS which I am hoping will be next year

Must admit thought that Microsoft has taken the best of both android and apple with WM7 so fingers crossed that the updates will sort us out
[HD7 General] harsaphes:
I have never owned a recent phone that Youtube video doesnt play full screen.
[HD7 General] harsaphes:
Its just to hold me over till the Nexus S comes out. I have no problem with the HD2 running Android. The size is great. I also have the N1, but prefer this form factor. And it wasnt "just" youtube. It was many things.
[HD7 General] rysky007:
I agree with you on many, but not all.

I took some pictures last night, and I have to say the button to use ( like a camera ) is the most annoying thing ever, the HD2 / I phone and I think many phone on screen touch button was the best, you tap it, it auto focuses and walla good pics, I took 15 pictures last night in a low light condition with flash, not one is clear, every pic came out blurry, then I realized its because i move the phone a tiny bit when attempting to press the worst button created for taking pictures.

I still have 10 days left before I can return mine, going to contemplate.
[HD7 General] rob_p:
My thoughts exactly. I knew what I was getting, and what I wasn't, and I love it!

I find it a bit strange as well to go back to Android on the HDS - why not the Desire HD - same phone but actually made for Android?!
[HD7 General] s1nn0n:
I love the new Windows Phone 7 OS, but the HTC HD7 really is a piece of s**t. Ive got to send mine away for repair already due to the power button getting stuck in, not exactly what you'd call a high end quality product. Ive had plenty of HTC phones, since the days of the XDA 1, and to be honest they have all been utter s***e. Im definately never going to buy another HTC product, I suppose thats what you get for buyin stuff that comes from China.
[HD7 General] harsaphes:
Because I own the HD2 and the Nexus 1...so Im using the ones I have until the Nexus S comes out, hopefully in december.
[HD7 General] MartyLK:
Most phones and most electronics come from China. The iPhone, designed and developed in the USA, is made in China. Most Sony phones...Japanese phones...are made in China. Pretty much any electronic equipment you own is likely made in China. HTC is a Taiwan company and is the major producer of nearly all the major phones from most companies. They made all the Palm devices prior to the Pre and Pixi...not sure who makes the Pre and Pixi now. Apple has always used Foxconn ...a Chinese company... for production of the iPhone and most, if not all, of their other products. MS used a Chinese producer for the Zunes. HTC is a similar producer. They are contracted by a number of electronics makers to produce their products. The HTC quality has always been quite good. But, until recently, that quality has nose dived a bit...for whatever reason.

My HTC HD7 is an outstanding phone. The quality is exemplary. But it took 3 other, defective, HD7s to get the good one. I feel my HD7 is like a high-class, high-end automobile in look, feel and construction.
[HD7 General] zeka1974:
Hi guys,

Using my HD7 for the last 5 days and until now everything runs fine :)

In my opinion this is an outstanding phone. Excellent quality and the new SO is very good for my use (professional and personal)

Of course some things must be corrected by MS, let's wait for the updates that all people are waiting :)
[HD7 General] dacunto:
I have thought about returning my HD7 too, But like many users here there are a lot of things to like and a few things I do not like at all. I have high hopes for the update in January and I feel like, once the update hits, most of my gripes will be addressed. So right now, until proven otherwise I will stick with wm7, for a year. After a year, I will re-evaluate the OS, and hopefully with updates from Microsoft, I will upgrade my device to another wm7 device. :D
[HD7 General] Paul Nur:
I feel the same way, its a brand new OS, take the phone out the box and complain about the error's and glitches then that is your fault. It's like buying a brand new car, a 2011 for exmaple, there is a butt load of problems untill they all get addressed and fixed. I'm sticking with my wp7 for a year or until something comes up that is a deal breaker, witch i don't have many deal breakers with this phone.
[HD7 General] harsaphes:
Lack of LED notifications and terrible battery life are not "glitches and errors". My phone is constantly used for email and sms. To not be able to glance down at the phone and see if I missed something is a serious fault. Yes it might be something that can be corrected but right now for someone that relies on that feature its a deal breaker. Also the battery. As part of its promotion of the phone MS made a substantial play for gaming. In my experience there is no battery life for gaming if you are using your phone all day for business/lifestyle. Others might find this to be a different situation but compared to all the other phones i own, which are many, this has the worst battery life.
[HD7 General] MartyLK:
I'm actually finding the battery life better than my original iPhone...even after that battery-saving update Apple put out for it. The life on any of these phones isn't near as good as it truly needs to be for all that they do and are capable of. Hopefully future battery tech advances will solve this.

Compared to my HD2, which had class-leading video playback battery life (8 hours), the HD7 is a dream. Sadly I never understood how the HD2 could have such excellent video battery life while having the poorest audio playback battery life (12 hours).
[HD7 General] retrofred:
Battery life

well i haven't really put the phone through any major useage other than text and email, but my battery seems to be on par with the hd2 if not better. i was just morning thinking of returning, but figured i would hang in their and wait for the this update coming in january. i have to say that the only real reason why i was temped to return this morning was due to the camera. that is the only part of the hd7 i find falls in comparason to the hd2. not really enough to justify returning once i thought about it. i think this new WP7 will be in it for the long haul, and will give a year of real use before making my final decision.
[HD7 General] Paul Nur:
If an LED light is not present and not blinking, is causing you to miss out on important stuff, you are obviously not looking at this from the right angle. Having your most important tiles at the top and just waking your phone up and then back off to see if you miss anything is important is the way around the LED. I guess if the LED is so crucial to your criteria and performance of a phone and cannot get a phone without an LED notification then saying is true. Different strokes for different fokes.

And,

The battery, its a full touch screen phone with the biggest screen available (not the only phone with the biggest) its going to use a lot of power. If your someone on your phone 24/7 you might need to take a look at something else before you nit pick your phone.(Your not using your phone efficiently, and effectively, or there is not a phone out there that can take 24/7 abuse and have all the multimedia functions and features.....and have a full touch screen.)

Ill continue to enjoy my phone with all these HUGE HUGE mishaps, pfft.
[HD7 General] Lenas:
Battery life means nothing to some of us. I have adapters/plugs in my office, my car and my home. I never go below 75% with bt/wifi on all day, constant email syncing, push notifications for whatever supports them, plus occasional gaming in the loo.
[HD7 General] Jim Coleman:
I was eating a sausage sandwich when I read that. I'm suddenly not very hungry any more.
[HD7 General] rysky007:
When you are busy and your phone is away from you, seeing that light from accross the room and not missing important business is huge.

I missed a 10grand deal Monday because I missed the call, by the time I got to my phone the deal went to another promoter.

My old Nokia from 2004 has five different notification lights on it. HD2 had it, its simply missing on the HD7 cause it was over looked simple base features because they were trying to rush the phone out to bank on the holiday season.

The sad part is that the update can prob be released now, but that wont lock in the holiday shoppers into the phone.

Most of us have 14 days to return the phone. Most of the purchases will be the week before xmas, clear 14 days, make sure customers cant return then issue up date, cause thats what they are looking for.

Its simple business, but its bad business, cause we get a half done product.

And the visual tiles are great an all, accept I have to grab the phone in a certain way to access the dump button up top like Iphone, I thought the point of this was to not be like Iphone, yet they put the lock and unlock button there???? on HD2 its comfy, u can use ur damn pinky or a pen to just tap the end button and walla u see the status and off u go.

I dont get the thinking behind this phone, only great thing about it, is how it slides from diff pages, and typing.
[HD7 General] nrfitchett4:
It's taken you like 6 phones to realize you don't like htc???

Something wrong with the large tiles that update when you get new stuff in or that toast notification across the top of the screen?

is there anything you like about the phone? Every one of your posts are nothing but a pile of complaints about the way the phone works. Obviously this phone is not for you.
[HD7 General] rysky007:
So far not much out side of the smooth transitions between screens and the sensitivity.

Its not complaints, its the amazed frustration that in todays market and technology, there is so many basic features missing from this phone. soooo many. I know I know its new, but new should be still better then the old. If every company released new products that lacked the basic features that every other product on the market made standard, we would still use 8 track.
[HD7 General] HTC HD2 MAN:
who knows whats in store with the future update there planning with the copy/paste
[HD7 General] MartyLK:
In all likelihood WP7 was rushed out with core functionality working fine. I imagine they didn't have time to make the missing features perfect in order to get WP7 out by the holidays. That encourages me because they didn't just "F it, lets dump the features in and worry about it later". They are actually committed to quality and when the missing features are perfect, they will be included.
[HD7 General] carmeng4evr:
I definitely agree!
[HD7 General] Paul Nur:
Thank you for saying something.

Sent from my HD7 using Board Express
[HD7 General] truffle1234:
my friend, all u are talking about the basics in a phone, and you are claiming its not there....

all of us knew that cut and paste will not be there in the begining and if thats the basics for you then i am not sure who put a gun to your head to buy the HD7 or in this case any WP7 device.....

u should have gotten maybe a symbian phone to have a cut and paste and the rest of the basics are offered in any of the nokia phones...

Can you just tell me if you have to reset or soft reset your phone since u bought it????
[HD7 General] rysky007:
Have you once read me complaining about cut/paste? not a feature that is a must on a phone, if the phone does its operations proper you should not need cut/paste as the OS will transfer data for you.

Now as I have replied to other people who chose to step in without knowing the argument, not all of us have time to sit around an dd phones, and OS, especially for features that I think every OS should have in 2010.

No one talks about:

Select all in SMS or email

Multi email view in same window vs having to go to home page.

Quick scroll on contacts.

Advance things that this phone should have to be better then its previous one HD2.

Better camera, not same with poor software.

Wifi/hotspot

Multi tasking - every phone should have no matter what in todays tech world

They claimed this phone to be simple, u and find what you need quick without having to dig deep in your phone.

Yet when you are in an sms, and you want to view your list of other sms to reply to some one or send a new one, u have to hit the home button then hit the message tile, two steps, vs on many phones u simply hit view all, one step.

Or lets say you browsing or messing witih face book as many of you guys do, and you want to make a call: Most phone that have a call and end button, u press the call button and your ready to dial. one button.

On this phone and others with this OS, even LG is now doing it with droid software which i think will fail the market, you have to press home, then the phone tial, then the down arrow to get the key pad. so three steps..

what happen to simplicity?

Oh ok yes, u have ur live tiles so you can spy on ur friends face book pages cause they have nothing else better to do in their life but updated their face book status that they just had a successful bowel movement.

So you can set your tiles for quick things... but the tiles are so big, that by the time u set a few of them the rest are down low, oh and then you have to scroll down, and since we cant assign diff colors to diff tiles, they only appear in diff color if the app is designed to, all same color and when ur scrolling down they blend in, so now you have to take more steps to accomplish it.

What happen to simple?

Simple and not having to dig deep as they advertise, is being able to glance at your home scree, without having to scroll, touch or move anything, and see:

Time, Date, Weather, missed calls, sms, email, and u can prob squeeze in 7 more notifications if its done right.

I am like this, cause they gave us a lame OS and u guys are eating up like its so great, just to show how the power of marketing and influence has its power over the masses.

This is a forum for techs and developers who are smarter then that, expect great things and are not fooled by cheap crap...

why are we bowing down?
[HD7 General] CyK1:
rysky007, u need this http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/06/johns-phone-review-the-worlds-simplest-cellphone/

so please stop whining, and return ur hd7
[HD7 General] homer.web:
And this one has even copy/paste (in your nearest copyshop you can make a copy of your phonebook) and it has also multitasking, because you can make a phone call and at the same time you can play your favotit game or browse your phonebook... :D:D:D
[HD7 General] truffle1234:
u are so full of your self.... if u have so many issues with the HD7 please return it and get whatever pleases u...

i think u dont even have a HD7 u ware just *****ing about it as its a great OS and a device...

Grow up my friend...
[HD7 General] RealityDesign:
It's called the BACK BUTTON. Try it sometime. It takes you...wait for it...BACK one page. No, really, it does. :eek: