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[Vibrant General] Kubernetes:
By that standard, even 3G is LIMITED DATA, limited to 3G speed at 24hrs/day for the duration of a month. There's no such thing as infinite data unless you have a way of stopping time or getting infinite bandwidth. Their definition of "unlimited data" is that they'll never cut you off completely, and that's true.

As for the OP's complaint, I don't know what to say. I have no issue surfing on EDGE. Is it fun? No, but it's more than adequate for most websites. If you're timing out on all websites, you're just in a ****ty connection area. Remember that EDGE, just like HSDPA, can vary in speed, so chances are you're just in a ****ty area when you're getting these timeouts.

And you would lose your lawsuit even before summary judgment. You would essentially have to argue that 2G is not usable for internet access in any nominal sense, and that claim is absurd (unless you can make a showing that there was no such thing as mobile internet before 3G was deployed).
[Vibrant General] Telanis:
That's not true at all. Modern circumstances would be taken into account (or should be) and the past is irrelevant if 2G browsing does not work in the present.
[Vibrant General] Kubernetes:
Except that it does work. Heck, even 56k modems still work. It's ridiculous and bizarre to suggest that EDGE is not usable for mobile internet, seeing as how millions of people manage to use it.
[Vibrant General] Telanis:
Not denying that it does work. The fact that it does currently work is the right argument, not the fact that it previously worked before 3G came along. I'm sure any sane lawyer would likely be arguing that something in the contract was violated, or there was false advertising, or something to that effect anyway.
[Vibrant General] dmolition:
lol
[Vibrant General] n2ishun:
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How US Immigration and customs (ICE) can take over and shut down sites from a international organization like ICANN is beyond me.

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[Vibrant General] androidcues:
i am on dial up now....FOUR days into the cycle...so i am pretty ****ed for the next 25days.

im dumping tmo tmw and getting Clear. i do not need minutes i need data. so tmo has lost a good customer.
[Vibrant General] SamsungVibrant:
Ok that statement made no sense. How is that limited, if you have 3G speeds 24hrs/day, for an entire month, until your billing cycle resets. Looks unlimited if those were the terms.

Maybe you don't have a problem, but even here in Los Angeles, as soon as my phone switches to Edge, I'll be lucky if I can surf websites that are heavy in content.

Isn't this what I said? I said, you would show the judge that when the phone is running under edge, internet is rendered useless because some sites will timeout before they load. Edge was fine a couple years ago. However, today, with these modern phones that are able to view full desktop versions of websites heavy in content, then YES edge does cripple the user experience, even sometimes completely failing to load these sites.:rolleyes:
[Vibrant General] Emama:
I know that is frustrating..

but....WTF can we do..
[Vibrant General] firefly6240:
I've watched netflicks teathered on edge.

and I've watched netflicks teathered with my bandwidth throttled.

it really just depends where you are.

I dont really teather anymore, I really only did when the power goes out, because then I could still watch movies on my laptop.

even so it took me quite a bit to hit the cap.

unfortunatly I doubt we can do much about this because theoreticly edge is perfectly acceptable, (it really is for me, but I understand its not for quite alot of people) its slightly faster than ISDN 128kish in areas where you get an ok signal and near extremely low end dsl 220kish in areas where you get a great signal

but places with low signal is the problem, you can get nearer to dial up speeds or an even more useless conection.

unfortunatly tmobile is pretty clear on coverage areas...

maybe if your getting horrible edge in a place where tmobile is supposed to have great coverage, you might have a case. :)
[Vibrant General] demize!:
When it comes to protecting the "intellectual property" of high fallutin brands than ICE becomes all international and stuffz.

Don't blame me, blame my keyboard's autocorrection algorithm.
[Vibrant General] Kubernetes:
When T-Mobile says "unlimited data", they don't mean 3G speeds at all times, nor could they since their 3G network doesn't cover every square inch of US territory. My comment on the "limited" part is that all data is limited in a quantitative sense. Unlimited /= infinite. To the extent we're talking about throughput, T-Mobile makes no guarantees about throughput, whether on 3G or EDGE. The only thing they mean by unlimited is that there's no hard cap, i.e. they don't cut off your connection completely after you've used a certain quantity of data.

Then don't surf websites that are heavy in content. An example is Engadget, which is redonkulous. At what point did T-Mobile say unlimited data means you can do anything and everything in every location, all at 3G speed?

Right, SOME sites are unwieldy and/or useless at EDGE speeds. Do you really think this could form the basis of a lawsuit? Why is T-Mobile responsible for the existence of websites with heavy content that times out at high latency or low throughput? Does T-Mobile control the internet or the content of individual websites? Does it have the ability to make every page load? If you can make this argument, you could also argue that T-Mobile is guilty of fraud because some customers don't get 3G data at all where they live. And are dial-up providers guilty of fraud when they say they provide unlimited internet access? What about Google? Prior to Froyo, you couldn't load Flash content, which is a substantial portion of the internet experience; could you have sued Google because even though they said Android could access the internet, it couldn't access the whole internet?

Frankly, even if you didn't get dismissed at demurrer, you'd almost certainly lose at summary judgment. All you are doing is redefining "unlimited" in a way that comports with your expectations and then condemning the company for not meeting those expectations.
[Vibrant General] Vibrantthing:
Currently the cap doesn't effect me cause I'm near wifi so most heavy use is on that but I still wish we could get at least a 10-15 gb cap does anyone know why they decided on 5? As they begin to have more capable phones and upgrade the network speeds these caps become even more stupid and unfair. What the hell is the point of having phones and a network capable speeds 8-10mbps which some g2 and mt4g are getting this year.
[Vibrant General] N8ter:
If you are in an area where Edge is giving you that kind of speed, I doubt you even have 3G coverage. It's improbably that you would have such bad Edge speeds in an area you had 3G coverage... Typically if you get any 3G coverage, you Edge coverage should be near full bars, if not almost always there. Edge is the fallback data method these days and no carrier deploys a 3G network in any area without a strong Edge network already in place (if a new tower goes up, it will provide both).

Edge can handle streaming normal quality YouTube Videos and browsing on any website. It's over 500 kbps speed with a good signal.

GPRS (i.e. 1G) is ~100kbps and I can load most web pages with only 2 bars of that here.

So I'm not buying the *****ing about Edge and how the internet is limited on Edge. I'm also not buying the ridiculous 2 K/sec speeds you people claim to be getting on edge, which is monumentally slower than what you'd get even on a low quality 1G connection (i.e. slower than dial-up).

For the person who said go after those who tether... Well, that's not the way the world works. You see, you have entire communities of people who complain and say "go after those who tether instead" while they actively promote workarounds to get around the tethering limits/blocks/etc. that carriers like T-Mo are trying to put in place.

It's just not worth it for them to go that route.

No one just doing "heavy browsing" is using 5GB of data in a month. I'll believe it when I see it. I use my phone quite heavily (probably more heavily than most non-tethering users here), and I cannot even get much more than half of that, even if half...

I know eveyone wants everyone else to think they have some uncommon use case exclusive to them - but none of us were born yesterday and some of us have been using smartphones on data plans for close to a decade. You're not using 5GB of data in a month without tethering with heavy browser usage. Pretty much every carrier knows this, and the only reason why AT&T could get away with slashing their plans down to 2GB max is because it's painfully obvious that evne uber-heavy iPhone data users didn't use much more than 2GB, and the majority of them didn't even use that much.

The only people AT&T makes money off of are those who abuse the network (since they will pay overages, but it's not that expensive anymoe with the way AT&T implemented it, TBQH). Tetherers paid for tethering on AT&T, and the large majority of their users (like 95% of them) didn't use over 2GB and can care less that their data is capped that low. Some people even switched off the grandfathered unlimited plans to the 2GB plan because they ave $5/mo. per line. When you have like 5 lines in a family plan... $25 a month over 12 months is not a trivial amount of cash... ($300, for the math deficient).
[Vibrant General] memorito:
Could you explain my usage to me? I do not tether. According to Tmo, 20 days into my cycle I was at ~7.5 gigs. Perhaps Tmo's servers just make random guesses at what we actually use. Easier (and cheaper) to have a random number generator than a bunch of databases. Yes, that's the truth, because I declare it like the rest of you do. It's how they keep operational costs down.

Memo

Mobility... www.MemosWorld.com
[Vibrant General] disturkis4u:
+1 for you kubernetes

-3826193 for this thread.

I guess those people without 3g in their town can cancel tmo bc good lord, they only get edge!!

Stupid thread. Tmo reserves the right to throttle your data speed. Find a clause in your agreement that says you're entitled to 3g speeds.

I've had times where tmo edge is faster than att 3g. You people should definitely file a lawsuit. That's the american way after all.
[Vibrant General] disturkis4u:
Then maybe you should download one of 1839486 apps that monitor how much data you use.
[Vibrant General] Kubernetes:
No, why don't *you* explain your usage to us.

I'm guessing you must be streaming massive amounts of video, because there is no way that normal web surfing could use that much data.

I've hit 10gb once, when I was staying at a friend's for a month without regular internet access. I watched a fair amount of Netflix and Hulu, and I just barely hit 10gb. I find it incredible that you hit 7.5gb without tethering. If you don't think it's true, you can log into your account at T-Mobile and look at you actual usage
[Vibrant General] minogue:
Id like to quote many of you but im on my phone and its a lot of work. However I believe the issues of websites not loading had to do something with the dns stuff. Why? Because as of today morning, my speeds are 3G fast. I also ran a few tests and got 2mbps down.... A few mentioned it might have been my location.... No! it was at my house both days.. Even though I got the text saying speeds will be throttled. They seem perfectly fine and my billing cycle its not up yet
[Vibrant General] memorito:
Yes, quoting its a pain on the phone. No tethering, and only streaming pandora occasionally. I did use andchat, but mostly on wifi. And I got the 7.5 from the website. Anf even though it got throttled with the txt announcement and all, it was restored to full speed before the end of the cycle as well.

Mobility... www.MemosWorld.com
[Vibrant General] beren28:
I put my phone into edge only mode to post this. Seems to work just fine.
[Vibrant General] N8ter:
Ur either tethering and lying or flat lying. You can't use over 7 gig in 20 days with that kind of usage. You wont even get to 5 in a month. Everyone wants us to brlieve they have some super rare usage patterns....

I'm noy gonna argue abouy it tho. Enjoy being throttled.
[Vibrant General] ntellegence:
First off F Tmo. Second I believe there is a class action in california filed earlier this year making throttling causes the phono work as advertised due to the timing out. Third Verizon was put under investigation by the nys ag for basically the thing. Advertised an unlimited data plan but had a 5g cap. Andrew Cuomo was the ag if anyone wants to look it up. They made a deal and I think everyone got a dollar. There has to be some legal standing if a state would investigate such matters.
[Vibrant General] disturkis4u:
I believe the verizon lawsuit was for pay-per-use data charges, not for" unlimited" entitlement.
[Vibrant General] disturkis4u:
Are you sure the site said 7.5 GB and not MB lol =)
[Vibrant General] Shrivel:
Yep. You are spot on with this assessment. You'd have a tough time hitting 5GB on your phone even streaming YouTube several hours a day. And just surfing the web, whether on the phone or tethered, shouldn't be more than a few dozen MB/day (not counting any video content). If you hit 7.5 GB on your phone, you need to find the app that's eating all your bandwidth.

I am constantly surfing the web and streaming Pandora and I hit 500MB on a heavy month. 15 times that amount is insane.
[Vibrant General] minogue:
I disagree, I use youtube, browsing and reach the 5GB almost on the last few days of my billing cycle. But its also because I download roms from my phone or even games which download 190mb+. You would be surprised with youtube as I usually watch it at work when I'm bored our use pandora or even mspot. Also emails throughout the day......
[Vibrant General] androidcues:
no tethering..no video...no bull****. just a heavy browser and i go between sense and vanilla twice a day sometimes.

this is bull****. so after like seven hours talking to idiot tmo reps and their supervisors ive decided to just download and download and download and my goal is to hit 50gb by dec 18

whats the best way to jack up my usage numbers is it video (i never watch videos on this when i have a tv) or what? just keep redownloading nightlies virtuous and other 300mb zips?

if i cant change them....ill have to live up to my throttle rep. *****es.

vision
[Vibrant General] grennis:
As someone who has to share the network with you let me just say I am glad tmo had started the cap and throtte.
[Vibrant General] SiL3nTKiLL:
good old tmobile....why i left them in the first place!
[Vibrant General] T313C0mun1s7:
192.168.0.1 is NOT localhost, it MIGHT be your IP on a internal LAN (IF YOU ARE THE ROUTER) but it is NOT localhost 127.0.0.1 is.
[Vibrant General] Spazzvogel:
I loled... Frigging tmobile, they need to get their crap together or I might jump ship. Wish tmobile here was as awesome as deutsche telekom, my cousin claims they are angels in comparison.
[Vibrant General] epakrat75:
LOL! :D It sounds like you thought you could replace your ISP with your mobile phone! If so, you did this to yourself! It should have been abundantly that this would not be likely / possible. TMO is NOT an ISP while Clear IS an ISP. Lost a good customer? I don't know about that. A cheapskate and data glutton would potentially be a better definition, I'd say. They won't miss you. LOL! :D
[Vibrant General] n2ishun:
I guess you missed the word EXAMPLE then ?

BTW, depending on how you have things setup, any numeric IP can be local host (not saying it's the right way to do it, but it can work).
[Vibrant General] T313C0mun1s7:
No, the word example does not preclude being flat wrong about anything. Examples are expected to be correct. How would you have liked it if in school every time one of your teachers gave you an example of how to do something they showed you how to do it wrong. Wrong examples are worthless. Examples by there very nature and definition are used to illustrate how to do something or how something works. Giving bad information is counter the to very reason for giving an example of something. So no I did not miss the word, the word was simply misused. As was the use of the wrong IP by someone who obviously knows very little about networking.

Pertaining to your second statement. Again you are WRONG. 127.0.0.1 is always localhost by definition it is specifically reserved for that reason. Any device can be bound to multiple IPs, but just because a device has an IP does NOT make the IP localhost, which is a special loopback interface and not just ANY IP.

If you want to tell people that they can substitute their DNS server by getting Google to look up an IP for them (which will not be very reliable but works in a pinch) then enter that into the address bar instead, by all means do so. However, since you are not even an amateur at networking, don't try to portray yourself as a expert and give bad examples that show you don't even know what Layer 3 of the OSI model is.

John C. Reid, President

Computer and Network Services

Microsoft Partner

CIW Internet Professional

CompTIA A+
[Vibrant General] n2ishun:
Blah blah...whatever.

You obviously have no understanding of "LOOPBACK" do you ?

You can post all the fancy "oh hai, I'm Mr. Boofu with several really important digits after my name" you want, but in the end it means nothing if the knowledge is not there to back it up.

There are numerous reserved IP's for local uses....so what ?

You don't know how to assign a custom loopback for SECURITY PURPOSES ?

Psst, it's how you defeat a dDOS attack :)
[Vibrant General] n2ishun:
Oh, and that A+ you have there....umm, be real ok ?

Come talk when you have a CCNA or a MCSE.
[Vibrant General] T313C0mun1s7:
Actually you just proved you have no clue what loopback actually means. It is a special interface in all network devices for the express purpose of diagnostics. Traffic to 127.0.0.1 will be looped back by the internet layer of the TCP/IP model, which is matched in the OSI model by the Network layer. This is the layer where routing and address resolution take place.

Just because you are routing traffic back to yourself does not mean you are using loopback. Routing to localhost is using loopback as that is the express reason localhost exists, it is your path to the loopback interface thus allowing for proper diagnostics.

Also, I am more that aware of the RFC 1918 - Address Allocation for Private Internets being thus:

10.0.0.0 - 10.255.255.255 (10/8 prefix)

172.16.0.0 - 172.31.255.255 (172.16/12 prefix)

192.168.0.0 - 192.168.255.255 (192.168/16 prefix)

My internal LAN run on a Class B in the 172.x.x.x range because it is seldom used and keeps me from worrying about possible subnet overlap in the several VPN tunnels I use.

Also just because you create a interface that routes back and name it loopback like Microsoft does here [ http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc708341(WS.10).aspx ] does not make it a loopback adapter, and Microsoft is not exactly known for having a good, RFC compliant TCP/IP stack. One major difference being that the loopback interface never leaves the hardware of the NIC card allowing for testing of the software stack and the NIC card without interference from any attached network. If you create you own interface and put a packet sniffer on the port of the NIC you will see broadcast packets. So they are not the same thing.

You sound like a script kiddy. Don't try to school me in networking as I was most likely making computer talk to each other in protocols you never heard of before you were even born.

Psst, assigning a "custom loopback" would do nothing to defeat a DDOS attack as they are not hitting you on private address interface, they are attacking your publicly routed IP address. You really are a dolt. :confused:
[Vibrant General] jaker.the.skater:
well there you go.....roms and games at 190 mb+.......thats where your usage is...
[Vibrant General] zerosource:
You are not this guy > http://www.thecoca-colacompany.com/ourcompany/bios/bio_118.html right? xD

I don't know why would you waste time arguing with random kids. But you are right. :D
[Vibrant General] T313C0mun1s7:
Yea, after I wrote that I thought "wait, this is most likely a little snot nosed troll" so I looked up his posts from his profile here on the board. He has a large number of posts where he calls others stupid, etc and he likes the phrase "blah blah ... whatever" or some form of it. His response to me was at least the second time I counted it. Maybe the mods should restrict his ability to post because his diaper stinks a bit.

I have to admit it is a least a little my fault. I let myself get baited. I just hate it when people try to spread misinformation while acting like they are an authority. Especially when they are the type of person that spends most of their posts calling others stupid while spreading the misinformation. Check out his other posts and you see what I mean. It is not just networking, he has a substandard understanding of basic electronics also.

I am done with him. I will not reply to him again. I think I more than proved that 192.168.0.1 never had anything to do with localhost and then some. He had a decent piece of advice, but he screwed it up by trying to act cocky rather than just giving his tip. You don't have to try to make yourself look cool just to give a piece of info, even if your real goal is to try to feel better about yourself because they put you in your locker, or flush you head in the toilet at school. Instead of coming off as cool you end up looking like . . . well like him.

P.S. No, that is not me. I am another John C. Reid.
[Vibrant General] N8ter:
All that tells us is you data usage. It doesn't tell us how you got there, and taking you word for it... well... It doesn't really prove anything.

You cannot get to 5GB data usage by using the web browser on your phone, and why would anyone (not you, the person up there) use their phone to download 190 MB ROMs often, anyways? What's wrong with WiFi or a computer?

Another thing I've noticed is aside from people claiming they have improbably usage patterns, they also like to claim they're always at work when they do this, don't have a laptop/netbook, or never have access to WiFi to perform these tasks.