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[Vibrant Android Development] r0man:
Please, stop embarrassing yourself. The Nexus One is and was a great phone, but the Vibrant is better in almost every way. Better hardware, bigger screen, better screen, faster, and more units sold.
[Vibrant Android Development] pigs3littleones:
Wonderful analogy. I however do not love my Vibrant. I love the hardware and screen but because Samsung pulls the strings, usually I want to drop kick the thing because of it's limitations, instability and overall suck of the Samsung ROM. And yes, pretty much all the mods to it on here. Though Axura is about the closest thing my phone actually likes.
[Vibrant Android Development] grennis:
What makes you even think the Galaxy S line is even going to see Gingerbread? This is Samsung we are talking about...
[Vibrant Android Development] Jerzeeloon:
Htc fell off and google knows it,thats why the new nexus is made by samsung,htc may have pioneered android but there sound always sucked and right now samsung kinda controls the display game,nobody else can produce super amoled and there abou to release super amoled 2,admitidly samsung has a bad rep for not supporting current models(i.e. The whole behold 2 debacle.) And words can't describe how much I hate motorola,htc is still good but I wouldnt call them the android kings,I feel samsung has alot of potential to become the flagship brand for google.
[Vibrant Android Development] oka1:
Oh Ye of little faith.......... Get real I have had almost every phone on the market (I can afford to buy what I want when I want) and after so many this has come closet to what I've been looking for especially since the 2.2 roms are out. My Biggest complaint about people knocking the phone is they always blame the phone for their poor flashing skills. This phone rocks and it is flexible enough to allow gingerbread whenever it arrives. Try that with a DroidX or HD7......(you fill in the name)....BTW I have a FFC and talk over 3g on it using tango without lag. I just need to make it so I can video a call to a computer and I am golden.

Bottomline..........this is a great phone........that is why there are so many devs playing with it.
[Vibrant Android Development] Chalup:
You, my friend, are not very smart. This thread needs to be closed or moved to general. Just as you would make an idiot of yourself trying to argue relativistic quantum mechanics with physicists, you are doing now.
[Vibrant Android Development] jnutz:
This thread got interesting. As has already been said the Snapdragon benefits from JIT more because of its 128bit SIMD. While I am sure there is probably some room left to optimize JIT for the Hummingbird I wouldn't expect anything near the gain the N1 saw. I guess it is good or bad depending on how you look at it but the latest 2.2 ROMs floating around is as good as it gets regarding 2.2 and JIT. Don't expect much if any gain there.

But lets face it in the real world the phones perform about the same which leaves me to believe the benchmarks are that much more meaningless because they usually don't test things you actually use the phone for. Some of them would have you belive the N1 is twice as fast as the SGS and anyone with a grasp on reality just knows that isn't true. This also makes me curious when I read about people saying their phones are slow. It makes me wonder what they have done to them to slow them down because even on the stock ROM my phone was pretty snappy. And on Onyx 4.2 my phone is blazing fast with no lag fix or OC! Seriously this ROM is crazy smooth and fast and everything works.

Don't expect much from CM that you can't already get in the 2.2 ROMs floating around here. CM will still be RFS and they are using the same lag fix as everyone else here and really there isn't much of an advantage to their ROM as long as that is the case. Sure they will have features that you won't see in other ROMs here but overall I expect the CM ROMs will perform about the same as the SGS source based ROMs.

As I have already said I think this phone is fast but if there is any real speed gain to be had it will be accomplished by replacing RFS with something more efficient.
[Vibrant Android Development] wildklymr:
From what I understand cm for the vibrant still has a lot of proprietary samsung stuff in it, because otherwise it just wouldn't work.
[Vibrant Android Development] hurrpancakes:
...did you just say Honda is the king of making cars?
[Vibrant Android Development] scrizz:
yeah, just look at the cpu scores CM gives the Vibrant.

Totally worth it.

;)
[Vibrant Android Development] ludachez:
The SGS line is the best selling phone line out now, with so many units sold. I dont see why the SGS line wouldnt get gingerbread eventually ( im sure it will take a while...) and why the CM team wont get it on the SGS first. With the progress being made now with CM6 its very exciting. But my Vibrant running an Overkill lagfix jk2 froyo ROM/Kernel runs like a dream. If this is the speed im stuck with for the rest of time i have it, fine, but it will get better. And there is no point in arguing what phone is faster, cause ive heard the MT4G is amazing, and imagine when CM6 is fully implemented for that? Each phone has something its better at, figure out which one you like, and get it. i love the screen on the vibrant and how the gpu/cpu works so its for me. and if samsung is so bad, why are they making the next Nexus? we will all laugh at this thread in a couple months when the dual cores are out rocking our skulls.
[Vibrant Android Development] sl0play:
I think this is all residue of the media hyping the SGS so much. The HW specs are crazy, but (IANAE so from what ive gathered) the drivers and kernels for it will have to be built from scratch to see it perform to potential. In the world of cellphones, the progress and release of new hardware is so fast its unlikely we will se any proper 3rd party drivers for this kit ever, unless Samsung sticks with this overall package for some time to come.

I would REALLY like to see it do what everyone else would, but the screamin dreamin is just that.

But heres the thing.

SAMOLED & MKV HD support.

We has it, they dont.

When I can drop an MKV I downloaded onto another handset and watch it in 16MM colors at the poker table, I will consider an alternative.

.

OP. Maybe your question belongs in Q&A but I get it, and I think its a thought shared by many. I certainly expected more of 2.2 (not that its anyone's fault ofc)
[Vibrant Android Development] hurrpancakes:
I'm pretty sure any phone with a 1GHz processor and rockplayer can play an hd mkv.
[Vibrant Android Development] dasunsrule32:
Wrong, wrong and wrong. CM will be replacing all Partitions on the phone with ext2/3/4, depending on what phone that you are using. CM will be faster than anything ever seen or released. Why?

1. It's AOSP

2. It's built from scratch for the phone, not some rehash of what Samsung released.

3. It's Cyanogenmod (I am an official CM tester)

4. More than likely, we will be getting gingerbread, rather than Froyo, which is JiT optimized for the Cortex A-8, the Vibrant includes the Power VR540 video processor, which is part of the "Hummingbird" chipset. In other words, this phone will be the fastest phone on the market until the new dual core handsets hit the market early next year.

5. i9000's new Froyo leak has dropped RFS in favor of UBIFS, next gen YAFFS.

So as you can see, you are wrong.
[Vibrant Android Development] RockTripod:
Correction- they USED to be the best Android phone manufacturer. I have used everything from a G1, both myTouch's, the myTouch Slide, the Vibrant, and the myTouch 4G. My girl and my friend have G2's. The last several Android phones HTC has made for T-Mo have been nothing short of glitchy, laggy POS's with comparatively poor reception. Media does not decode/playback anywhere near as well on HTC devices as it does on the Vibrant. The only thing I will miss is the HSPA+.
[Vibrant Android Development] a1cshowoff:
Yea, empty promises form the CM crowd per usual. "Its gonna be awesome," "it'll run so much faster," "It prints ****ing money!!!"

And yet, no rom. Still. It's time to put up or shut up. I'm not saying you personally.. But at this point, it's vaporware.
[Vibrant Android Development] dasunsrule32:
No, it's not. Something you NEED to understand, CM is built from the ground up and with that, it needs the Kernel source, or everything has to be reverse engineered (what is happening now, and takes a LOT longer). All these other ROM's you're using, are simply re-hashed versions of Samsung's trash.
[Vibrant Android Development] a1cshowoff:
I understand... but it's still vaporware.
[Vibrant Android Development] Palhaitus:
This was my immediate response as well... I'd say it's more of a comparison between, say, bughatti and ferarri, (it's a comparison of the best phones on the market?) and leave the honda and ford flip phones (and their boost mobile plans) out of it completely.

As far as CM goes, I'd LOVE to see it. The problem is, I don't. The hype threads died out ages ago. There are complete conversions to ext4, OC/UV kernels (up to 1.3/1.4), ASOP roms, etc... all available now.

CM is great, but your list brings nothing new to the table (except "It's Cyanogenmod"). Not saying I won't download the first thing they put out (Immediately. Even if it bricks me.) But it's just another mod at this point.
[Vibrant Android Development] dasunsrule32:
Search the forum, it's available to download. ;)
[Vibrant Android Development] fduraibi:
Hey people what is wrong with you? The OP is saying that we can get some speed improvement for free and you are saying NO!! :confused:

It is like saying to someone I will swap your 1Ghz CPU with a 3Ghz CPU that will consume the same power... NO I am fine with my current speed,, i am still faster than 386, 486 and also Pentium Pro...

If i can get a better performance with the same speed clock that will be awesome, it means I can lower my CPU speed and save some battery power and still have the same performance as my un-optimized rom. And we can run future games and apps that will ask for more CPU power.

I cannot wait to get our Vibrant rom optimized.
[Vibrant Android Development] xplanowestx:
So how about we get back on topic here. JIT Optimization is not an easy task to say the least. This isn't your usual ROM/Kernel building. I love the devs we have on our forums and such but you need to realize, most the devs on these forums lack the skill let alone the time in order to do something to this extent. Now we do know that Samsung is working with Google directly on the Nexus S. I assume since Google will be working with them that they will optimize JIT for its processor like they did with the Nexus 1. Gingerbread is just a few weeks away. Give it some time.
[Vibrant Android Development] remixfa:
the vibrant rom is already optimized. go download a team wiskey or eugene based rom. they are lightyears ahead of cyanogen when it comes to the vibrant. i love me some CM but when it comes to GalaxyS support, they dont have it. they had a lot of issues with the initial developer doing anything with it and have reassigned it multiple times. i follow thet CM developers on twitter.. they have a while to go before they catch up. like the fellow said, its vaporware and hype until they throw something out for public use.

As far as 2.3 goes, i have total faith that the mod community will make it happen before samsung, just like 2.2. I dont give a damn about samsung's updates. They put a ferrari enzo in the phone and left the tires flat (did a ****ty job of coding it). Thankfully we have and awesome development community that knows how to make the phone work like the monster it is.

test scores dont matter. real world use matters. linpack is a very limited test that benifits only snapdragon chips because it tests for only 1 thing and it has no bearing on real world use. in the real world the humminbird chip runs laps around the snapdragon AND scorpion. It has taken a die shrink and extra optimizations for Qualcom to even get on the same playing field as the humminbird.

besides, no snapdragon has ever outperformed a humminbbird on the quadrant test when all things were equal, JIT or not. My vibrant running bionix 4.1 just smoked a tricked out evo last week that was optimized and overclocked to 1.2, without me even having voodoo or OCLF on. it was pretty embarassing to him after i did turn it on.
[Vibrant Android Development] jnutz:
I was speaking to what they ARE doing not what they would like to do or could do in the future. The current CM beta is RFS right? Yeah I thought so. If you are beta testing it as many are you should know that. It is using the same lag fix as all the other 2.2 ROMs right? RIGHT NOW it offers NOTHING the other 2.2 ROMs don't already give us. That could easily change in the future but lets not sit here and speculate on a future that is still pretty unpredictable right now. Every reason you stated above are things that COULD happen in the future but AREN'T happening right now and you need to get a grasp on the difference between the two.

Oh and you are WRONG about it being built from scratch too. Some of it is built from scratch but there is also a lot of Samsung code still in it. In fact at this point I think it is still mostly Samsung code for the important stuff like the kernel. They are using the i9000 leaked source and have already admitted it. You don't use someone else's source and say you built it from scratch.

I get a kick out of the CM fanboys and their over hyping of their favorite ROM. When it offers something the other 2.2 ROMS here don't then it will get the street cred it deserves. But until then they are coming to the game pretty late and there are already plenty of 2.2 ROMs out there that are really good.
[Vibrant Android Development] dasunsrule32:
Actually, no, it's not RFS. ;) It's ext4
[Vibrant Android Development] jnutz:
Really? There is no RFS in there? Sure about that?
[Vibrant Android Development] matt_stang:
Yes really. It is ext4. I don't see why everyone is putting down cm. It is MUCH faster than every rom we have now. And it is not "vaporware" either. There is already a beta on sgs with almost everything working. Eugene is already working on the vibrant port also. He posted a test port already on his forum. CM for vibrant and sgs is very real and its coming very soon. Also they just got gps working yesterday. Give it a week or two and we'll be running stable and FAST cm on vibrant.
[Vibrant Android Development] boimarc89:
in my experience....CM isnt the fastest but its the MOST FLAWLESS runnning ROMS...Their roms never have problems at the expense of a lil speed takin away because thats what u really want right? For it to work and efficently handle tasks
[Vibrant Android Development] Palhaitus:
the problem is... Gingerbread is just a few weeks away and froyo still isnt OTA. With sammy's track record I'd say we'll be lucky to get gingerbread before honeycomb is out ;)

This is why i'm excited for the Nexus S. Sammy's hardware, google's coding skills.
[Vibrant Android Development] boimarc89:
OMFG my recovery hung on me while flashing a rom and when i tried to reboot......It ****in bricked big time Like not no black screen **** w/ touch buttons lit up, im talkin "unknown download mode" w/ red letters and the lil android dude and it wouldnt power on or show charge indicator anymore after that....i was about to go in to FML mode but after after i recovered from my FML epic panic mode, like after 12 tries of battery pulling and download mode attempt fails, the 13th time when i replugged my phone in to usb, the charge indicator showed but it froze in the middle of loading so i kept trying to get to dl mode but it wouldnt do it. I said mann **** this and went to sleep. I tried it a couple more times after i woke up and dl mode was hanging EVERYTIME and it finally gave in when i ODINed "Eugenes Froyo that doesnt brick" and ODIN beat the brick out that **** and my Vibrant Lives again!!! I ****in beat the brick! #epicWIN LOL
[Vibrant Android Development] ninoriff:
+1111111111111111111111111

100% Agreed!!!!!!!!!!!
[Vibrant Android Development] boimarc89:
that dude assumed im a noob....of course i kno that doesnt me nothin.
[Vibrant Android Development] rogerchew:
link to eugene's port of CM6???

EDIT:

N/M found it.
[Vibrant Android Development] mmas0n:
The N1 and phones with similar hardware benefited the most from 2.2 and JIT because it is(was) the developer phone. If you want to get the absolute most the absolute soonest out of Android: you need to be on a dev phone. End of story.

If the rumormill is correct and the Nexus S or Nexus 2 or whatever it's going to be called really is a Galaxy S at heart, it's going to be like Festivus every day. Even if it's not, Hummingbird will eventually get some love. Be patient or get a developer phone.
[Vibrant Android Development] metalman3797:
Im a chevy, but a ford GT would walk any honda any day! Vibrant= American Muscle :) lol
[Vibrant Android Development] metalman3797:
shut the phone off

put battery back in

hold volume up and down

plug in usb while holding it

MAGIC!!!!! ;) Download mode!
[Vibrant Android Development] Xencer:
Hey guys, you're losing the big picture here.

Even without lag-fix were ahead of Apple :P
[Vibrant Android Development] metalman3797:
checkmate!!!! Lol
[Vibrant Android Development] shawn605:
While I agree that the Quadrant score may be irrelevant, I can SEE the speed differences with a lagfix as it goes through the tests... Specifically the I/O tests and some of the FPS on the graphics tests.

Having said that, I'm a firm believers in lagfixes.
[Vibrant Android Development] stolen_pillow:
Truth. I love my Vibrant, but I have not been impressed with Samsungs support for this device. It took months to get the gps fixed, TouchWiz is fugly as hell, and we still haven't seen an official OTA Froyo update although we're repeatedly told its coming soon. IMHO the only way we'll ever see Gingerbread is when Eugene, Sombionix, Master, or someone else ports it.
[Vibrant Android Development] dasunsrule32:
You are correct on most of your points, except that Eugene is not porting CM6.x to the Vibrant. He simply changed some things in the prop files that allows the i9000 version to boot so you can see it work. But he is doing nothing with the project.
[Vibrant Android Development] dasunsrule32:
Yes, I am 1000% sure. I am working with the devs and communicate regularly with them. I know what I am saying. :)
[Vibrant Android Development] j0hnZ:
First, has anyone seen the I-9000 CM quadrant score?

http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/1...sung-galaxy-s-gt-i9000-released-in-beta-form/

I've seen the same on CM, can't find it at the moment but it has much better scores with JIT than we have seen here.

Second, and off topic, the Ford analogy is fail. The years 1975-2004 called, they want their quality records back.

http://www.cars.com/go/advice/Story.jsp?section=top&story=iqsBrand&subject=iqs

When it comes to dependability Ford and Honda are pretty close, Honda is no Lexus or Lincoln. Ford is no Mitsubishi/Dodge...

http://www.jdpower.com/autos/rating...and/sortcolumn-0/ascending/page-/#page-anchor
[Vibrant Android Development] boimarc89:
Bro i just used Honda vs ford because Honda symbolizes quality cars that last a long time jus like HTC phones vs Ford symbolizing cheap parts and daily maintenance to keep it running like we do w/ Samsung Phones....Youre kinda blowing it out of proportion. It was JUST an Analogy
[Vibrant Android Development] SamsungVibrant:
I'm sure if the JIT was optimized for the Hummingbird, the performance gain of actual CPU processing would blow away any performance gain that a lagfix could offer.

Sorry but I rather take an optimized CPU with increased performance gain over the various lagfix options. Plus samsung screwed up, the file system, and i/o issues, they should have gotten it right out the factory. Also, they need to optimize JIT for Hummingbird. JIT is the whole point of 2.2, everything else like flash is secondary imo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAZYSVr2Bhc
[Vibrant Android Development] mmas0n:
Good god, man. Look at that CPU performance. No OC, no tricks. Just raw AOSP awesome.

I eagerly await the day when we have source for a 2.2 Vibrant kernel so all these people who have no ****ing clue what CM actually is or what it will do for the entire ROM community can shut up.
[Vibrant Android Development] lqaddict:
That will be true until you run out of a straight line.
[Vibrant Android Development] scrizz:
omFg why do ppl keep calling CM AOSP.

CM uses AOSP to make the ROM.

CM != AOSP........
[Vibrant Android Development] jokersax11:
those benchmarks are the cause of the h.264 encoding part of the cpu test being skipped over. so no its not that much but overall its still better than stock
[Vibrant Android Development] Greenarcher707:
whoa, kernal? quadrent? funny stuff.
[Vibrant Android Development] Chalup:
Most informed discussion on xda for sure.
[Vibrant Android Development] PaiPiePia:
Where did you read about this? I am interested.
[Vibrant Android Development] jokersax11:
in a discussion over in the cmforums. its an issue with the software h.264 codec not working. if one of the tests take 0 secs it jacks the score way up. and thats what happened
[Vibrant Android Development] Flapjack:
@boimark89

You can run your Honda against my Ford any day. Straight line or at the track. Stupid argument. Have you read any reviews for the new 5.0? It has nearly identical track times to an M3 and spanked it in the quarter mile as well.

A better analogy would be a sportbike to a Harley....
[Vibrant Android Development] questgraves:
WTF

this was supposed to be a think tank.why the bash fest? MOST mods that increase benchmarks have shown a noticable real life performance increase. my vibrant is an awesome device but without these mods it would suck.i would like to see what innovation may come from a thread like this...without the negativity.
[Vibrant Android Development] boimarc89:
u taking that too seriously...it was just a comparison of the reputations of the 2 company's cars in terms of reliability, nothing to do w/ details of a automobile engine specs. Honda has the rep of a car thats still reliable after very high mileage vs a ford that starts acting up 2times earlier. an example of this is the fact that ford will ALWAYS have a bluebook value less than an honda or toyota. historically, the overall build quality of honda's or toyota's is very durable vs fords which has a life thats waaay less. Same w/ HTC vs Samsung. HTC phones are just better quality vs Samsung. Samsung phones look pretty but they use cheaper parts which is good business practices in terms of profitability. I get sick of ppl saying this phone is better than the G2 or the new MT4G. the very 1st reason they say its bette because the Screen is bigger and better but really, it causes terrible battery life.

If JIT can be optimized, then we wouldnt necessarily need all of the CPU's horsepower. We would be able to get a slight performance increase independent of a CPU overclock like the unrooted stock G2 (806MHz). For the ignorant ppl who think high Linpack and Quadrant = Performance, it will satisfy their ignorance w/ high scores...

Overall i still feel this is the best phone for me personally because of its media functionality mixed w/ some TW apps i use for school.
[Vibrant Android Development] playa0506:
Hardware doesn't lie you can't say an 800mhz processor is faster than a 1ghz cpu with a video chip i'm sorry. I played with lots of g2s and lots of samsungs and samsung is so much more responsive in 3d rendering and application use. The compiler should be customized for vibrants but that should be obvious. As of yet, though, the only people who seem to care are the developers. Let's see what they come up with.