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[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] andrew-in-woking:
Potential Ban

Hi all

If you connect your phone to your Windows PC, open Zune software and then go to the Phone section, there is a button that says "Do more with my phone" which opens up the Windows Live web portal for managing your phone.

I got an HTC 7 Mozart on Orange UK but took my old T-Mobile UK number over via a PAC code. When I logged onto the Windows Phone 7 management section of Windows Live (like HTCSense.com) the phone was listed as the original Orange UK number that my SIM card came with originally. As a test, I decided to click the "Ring My Phone" button to see if it still worked, now that my number had changed. Surprise, surprise, it did!

It doesn't actually ring your phone, like an incoming phone call, it obviously sends something to your phone which makes it beep like an alarm clock (for those of you who "loose" your phone at home when it's on silent!).

The other options there are, lock my phone, wipe my phone, etc.

So, if Microsoft can send a message to your phone which is clearly based on your Windows Live Account, not your phone number, they are capable of "locking out" your phone.

Clearly, you'd be able to hard reset your phone and set up a new WL account, but think about what else Microsoft could do to you if they wanted.

I have all my contacts and calendar (now) on Windows Live. Imagine what a pain it would be for me if they simply closed my account because I was in breach of some aspect of my agreement with them and deleted all my data. Would this be legal? I don't know. Would I ever buy a Microsoft product again? Probably not, but either way, it is clearly in their gift for Microsoft to do this, so for I for one will wait for some time to see what happens to those who unlock their phone. Either way, I will wait for the (mythical so far) January 2011 update that will be "like WP8" to see if it is really worth unlocking anyway.

I know lots of people who say it's not worth jailbreaking an iPhone and if Microsoft are any good they will make their customers so satisfied with the product that the last thing they would ever dream of doing is changing the device away from the way it comes.

Cheers

andrew-in-woking
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] mwako:
"but think about what else Microsoft could do to you if they wanted."

Thats the key point here...

For reasons unknown, they haven't killed JTAGS, even though they have the power too remotely for some.

Also i created a dummy live account as i heard the contacts were a nightmare, i never used windows live before now apart from my 200g XBL gamer account lol, so never saved numbers / details right ect so was worth while just starting with a test account, by time i thought i would migrate which is easy between live accounts. the unlocker came out and i jumped on it.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] EarthQ:
Dev unlock more secure then?

So with all these banning concerns... Wouldn't it make more dense to just pay one usar dev subscription and unlock WP7 in the paid way?

What would be the differences? Expiring unlock maybe?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] oOp:
you have to pay ever year 99,- $ or 110,- € (very funny besides).
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] McHale:
FIFY :)

For some, there will be no reason. For many of us on here, there will be for reasons already explained.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] McHale:
I think everyone's forgetting one thing. Microsoft is still the odd man out in the smartphone game. XDA and enthusiasts helped make WinMo popular. If they took an all out assault approach to anyone doing anything with their phone, the developer backlash would be very public. If they lose developers, they lose market apps. If they lose market apps, they lose. XDA existed all this time because they allowed it to. Don't kid yourselves.

If the unlocker doesn't modify the phone and only modifies the PC, Microsoft can't tell. But to clarify something earlier, YES, Microsoft knows your IMEI and SN of your MS phone from the second you register with live services. If they perma-ban it, which they can, you could be screwed. We just don't know yet.

-Mc
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] mwako:
Exactly right imo :D
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] kshakir80:
is anyone still having trouble? i closed ALLLLLLL applications still reseted phone and pc and still nothing!! htc surround for at&t =/

please someone help, i dont want to go to at&t and return for samsung focus!!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] kwill:
Same here on HD7. I've tried everything found in this thread except installing the WP7 SDK because I have XP and it won't let me install it. Also, I'm sure I asked this, but unless you have the SDK installed, you can't sideload apps anyways correct?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Paul Nur:
I never unlocked phones, nor tried to modify anything illegally. If I do something its strictly by the book. If MS says don't unlock your phone, I won't; I abide by the rules and respect them.

MS has more power than a lot of people think. They have brilliant people working for them, great ideas, and A LOT of money witch I think MS is going to cone out on top of almost everything they do.

MS has a great understanding of what people were going to do to the phones and how they were going to act. Like I heard in an earlier thread MS was thinking about this 2011 update long before v1 was launched. Maybe that is part of their plan, to sell these phones with a little less than what is expected; and hit everyone with an ever bigger update than what we wanted in v1 so people rant and rave about the phone. Yes MS knows everything about the trends, and the hot features, and what's is selling; why wouldn't you put HUGE features like multi tasking and copy and paste in? Its all apart of their plan to come out on top, I am certain of it.

Sent from my HD7 using Board Express
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] orangekid:
They certainly showed their brilliance with the Kin didn't they?

I wouldn't be so sure of MS, these phones aren't selling as well as they'd hoped and I am willing to be that iPhones and Androids outsell winpho7 by a large margin this holiday season.

We'll just have to see, but locking these phones down is a stupid choice IMO and they are pretty much asking for piracy.

and FYI modifying your phone, unlocking it, hacking it, flashing a new ROM or kernel or radio, sideloading non-pirated apps, are not illegal.

MS also probably wouldn't recommend you putting Android 2.2 Desire HD (with working camera now) on your HD2, but you can bet your ass it makes the phone a lot more awesome than running that crappy "official" 3.14 winmo ROM HTC dropped.

when I had my iPhone I had to jailbreak and unlock it because I didn't want to be trapped with ATT since I was paying half the price and getting twice the coverage with tmobile, I also themed it to look and act like an HTC Desire so it wasn't so bland and could even put animated HTC Sense weather on it. If I had just said "I don't want to jailbreak it because Apple knows best" then I'd be stuck paying $110 a month for crappy service and a boring UI with minimal settings, no toggles etc...
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Andrmgic:
Of course more iPhones and Android devices will be sold..

3-4 out of every 5 phones that come out on the market are android devices and WP 7 doesn't have the complete feature set and isn't on as many carriers yet.

I think Microsoft will be successful with this endeavor.. there has been a lot of thought put into this.. Kin was decidedly half baked and the prices were insane..

I'm patiently awaiting the update in early 2011 as a sign of what they have planned for the platform.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] mwako:
And then....

http://www.chevronwp7.com/
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] JohnQ:
well guess WP7 sales volume will drop tremendously or never high.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] ceesheim:
I think that the cert is offline :(

so we have custom ringtones but no way to get it on the phone :(
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Cendaryn:
Maybe anyone saved it on the PC?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] oedsdemeer:
Pfff hope so....just trying to unlock!!! If anyone has the .cert...plz post or pm
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] badboy70:
Is this working on anyone's HD7?

I installed the cert but I still get the connection error.

I tried on bot 32 and 64 bit Windows 7 Ultimate.

Also tried compatibility layers, but I kept getting the same thing.

I can get to the checkbox screen in 64 bit.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] athompson:
Wow, Microsoft is good. They got rid of it without even using legal threats.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] voodooutt:
I've got it working on mine. I had the same errors until i installed the WP7 SDK tool. I am using windows 7 ultimate 64bit
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] hounsell:
They're ninjas like that, and that's why they're constantly underestimated by competitors. They send in a "Director of Developer's Experience" ninja to do a lawyer's job. Just like they did a "young geek with little experience" on IBM.

Seriously though, I hope something does come of this, or the ChevronWP7 team will look pretty gullable, and we'll have to be making do with coaxing the unlocker to run. I hope they don't do some half-hearted crap either, with "homebrew" that still has restricted API access, or the like.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] kshakir80:
I GOT IT TO RUN, my comp has WINDOWS 7 ULTIMATE which didnt work, then used a WINDOWS 7 HOME PREMIUM, worked like a charm without sdk!!!!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] kshakir80:
try using windows 7 home premium if you know anyone who has, my ultimate didnt work so i used my pops home premium, worked!!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] hounsell:
More likely to do with another app running on your Ultimate installation conflicting with the ChevronWP7 installer, such apps seem pretty common. I know Skype was a big one apparently.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] IVIadness:
Anyone able to get the cert seems it's gone now, would really like that and the custom ringtone maker they released earlier today that is now gone.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] IVIadness:
Found it!! http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=857127
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Mr.Kakarot:
I have a brand new rogers focus.... but after reading 14 pages of nothing... I really do not see any reason to "unlock" it just yet....

So, someone please tell me why I should do it... so I can play with my phone :P

thx
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] eternalemb:
I have W7 Ultimate x86 and I unlocked my phone fine.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] kshakir80:
yea but ur using 32bit, we're on 64 bit, i dunno, i jus tried and it worked, both have avast anti-virus and whatever blah blah blah

just an idea, worked for me so i figured id let it be known!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] nok_fusion:
here is the link for chevron :) : http://www.multiupload.com/Q96OLWESA8
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] osirisHTC:
Here's a local XDA link
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] enyaj:
Finally did it. I was emailing the wrong file. Then about the unlocker not opening, I disabled Kaspersky, wala it worked!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] namebran:
Worked perfectly for me the first time. Tmo HTC HD7 / Win 7 Ultimate x64
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Mr.zeus:
hi guys... does it means we can not unlock any device then?

http://www.gsmarena.com/homebrew_apps_coming_officially_to_wp7_at_some_point-news-2114.php
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] vvpd:
it worked on my mate's phone. thanks community!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Paul Nur:
You have to understand it doesn't matter how many phones they sell right now. They are focused on making a good product first. MS has 100 times more money than apple. OK apple is selling more then MS in the mobile area but that's just now, what about down the road. MS has dominated the competition in every area that they focused alot of time and money on. There is no doubt in my mind that MS will come out on top in a few years, hands down.

Sent from my HD7 using Board Express
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] the_Crispy:
After nearly an hour of struggle with the unlocking procedure, I figured that Chevron is not much more than a http-server. It fakes the pc's identity, so that the phone itself thinks it talks to MS, while Chevron answers all request.

Therefore it is required for chevron, that port 80 is available!

So make sure, you have shut down any possible IIS instance, Skype oder any other tool that may be listening on port 80!

That did the tick for me!

Hope this can help at least a few people ;)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] hdubli:
Nice words/thoughts..I fully agree..MS has all the stuff, but they release as per the market situations
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] junipicante:
can someone help me unlock my hd7 phone

i know the original program has been canceled, but i am just wondering if something new came up, or if someone has a the original program that they can send it to me? Thank you. Hope someone helps me. :)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] alesscam:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=9518211&postcount=1

;)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] nrfitchett4:
what developers??? Weekend enthusiasts? Because that is about all the devs left for winmo. All the bigtime devs jumped over to IOS and android. Microsoft is already winning some of them back with wp7, hell we even got a slingplayer app on usa launch day.

Winmo is a dying smartphone platform. All you have to do is look at marketshare to figure that out.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] McHale:
I'm not sure that's fair since it JUST came out. But I do own the HTC Surround and while the OS is smooth and the interface is kinda slick, I went back to my Nexus One running CyanogenMod and couldn't be happier. WP7 is currently an unfinished OS that they rushed to market to try to capture some holiday sales. Up until me actually getting my WP7 device, I was one of Microsoft's biggest WinMo fanboys. But now that I have it. EEESH.... what were they thinking to release THAT mess?!?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] hounsell:
Yep. It's not even their own HTTP Server, it's just a subset of the one available here (from what I can tell). It patches the PC's HOSTS file so that developer.windowsphone.com points to the PC, then takes full advantage of the fact that the phone always uses the PC connection whilst connected over USB. It's a surprisingly crude yet effective implementation.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] andrew-in-woking:
Balanced view

Hi McHale

I wanted to respond for the sake of anybody reading this who is trying to make their mind up whether to buy a WP7 device.

I agree that the platform needs development and we're beginning to see that with developer devices getting Copy/Past functionality. However, to describe WP7 as a "mess" is somewhat misleading, even if just from a language point of view.

For me WM 6.5 always remained something of a "mess" because you never quite knew what you were going to get. The first time I decided to flash a cooked ROM on my old HTC Touch Pro2 was when I turned it on one morning and got a message on the screen something like:

"Because data on your device has become corrupted, the device will now be Hard Reset".

For an OS that was over ten years old, that is a mess!

WP7 does lack a lot of features, particularly from an IT professional's point of view, but my experience so far is that what it does do, it does well and doesn't give you problems along the way.

I don't think it's "way better than Android" or anything like that, but before anybody decides against it, I think they should at least test a real device so that they can see what it's like and what it can do. For me the most positive points are:

Very good integration with Windows Live email, calendar and contacts services

Very good integration with Facebook

Simple SMS application

Easy to use home screen that presents information well

Good Music Player

These comments are not meant to be in comparison with any other mobile OS.

Cheers

andrew-in-woking
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] gcmobile:
I feel with you!

I think MS is on wrong way. But it is my Opinion.

At the beginning a wp7 phone looks interesting, but after a few days, or for some people a few weeks, you will miss some administrative things, things to make device as your own, to make it faster or to do more things with it.

But then there is no way to do it with wp7.

Very bad mistake (I mean) - and thats the chance for rivalry phones os :eek:

Hope for a way of change in MS head right in time - and the time is now :rolleyes:
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] z31k:
By any chance has anyone got the reg key download for the win phone 7? Is it even necessary? I'm a noob.. Please go easy on me
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Mr.Kakarot:
In the last 3 weeks I had an iphone 4, desire hd, galaxy tab and now this windows 7 phone.... of the 3 phones, it is my least favorite... but it is still a good phone. I agree with what you said, I think typing on it is sweet... gmail looks cool, xbox live integration,

Now I just started to use the phone.... but again, some things are far behind... my complaints

No flash support?

No copy and paste

making a phone call is more work then it should ever be...

my phone does not tell me when I have voicemail?

no easy way to use custom ringtones, all the default sounds and tones suck

camera is annoying, having to press that side button...

wifi and 3g is pretty slow on this device

I miss google maps

weak app support

So, all of that being said.... I still think it is different and it provides a cool experience.... however, I do not see a lasting appeal.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Paul Nur:
I agree also. I understand they wanted to get the phone out quickly and everything but MS knows what they are doing. There are a few bugs I know, but the phone will be VERY well rounded by the next update or even the one after that. I think you are getting some people back talking it or against it; the people who were looking forward to it because of all the hype, like when the backstage pass cam out (almost a year before the phone came out when I joined.) Everyone needs to realize how BIG MS is and how they came on top every single time when it came to business when the put a lot of time and effort into an area. MS has changed and moved a lot of things around and WP7 is what came out of those big changes to MS's mobile market. Oh and apple enthusiasts, enjoy this article http://www.pcworld.com/article/189963/apple_vs_google_vs_microsoft_who_will_win.html
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] sadoway:
No flash support?

its the first month, it will come in an update (this inst apple, microsoft has a much better relationship with adobe)

No copy and paste

this has been said MANY times before, but ill say it again. it will be in the next update very soon possibly as soon as january (aka a few weeks). developers are already getting featured updated.

making a phone call is more work then it should ever be...

how so? how should it be? and how is it? this is not a real constructive complaint.

press phone. dail the phone number? how hard is that?

go to people. choose your contact and call?

if you have to many contacts, try filtering out the ones that are not your live account. if your live account has like 800 contacts (like mine)

then you should have created a new live acount. (i have been telling this point to all the sales reps i have talked to so far)

my phone does not tell me when I have voicemail?

it should say on your lock screen.

no easy way to use custom ringtones, all the default sounds and tones suck

yeah,honestly, they do suck. ringtones will probably be in the nxt update. i would bet on it. but this will get updated. this is a pretty unimportant feature and i can see why if didnt make it in right off the get go. id rather have a phone that does everything else perfect, than have a crippled phone with an awsome ringtone (wm6?).

camera is annoying, having to press that side button...

unfortunatly, most cameras actualy use bottons, thats probably where they got the idea. its kind of a standard thing. but hey. maybe you can ask them to make it pull string, that sounds easyer right?

wifi and 3g is pretty slow on this device

ive had no problems with wifi, check your router. 3g speeds would depend on the service in your area.

I miss google maps

me to, it will come, google is on every other device, i dont see why wp7 would be any diffrent. since its even easyer to write apps for.

weak app support

... ???? describe me this. how long does it take to write an app? a couple hours?

i dont know. i assume it takes a while to make something quality. and actualy. wp7 has some of the best app support. there systems are easy to use from what i have heard from other some developers. how many apps did the iphone have the first month. not many. android? they had **** for apps in the beginging also...

this of it this way. all the great app ideas have already been thought of. they just need to get ported now. :) which makes me happy. because in a couple months. wp7 will have all the apps you other guys have, and they will be better because the platform will be getting more updates, its easyer to develop for. and the developers already had practice making there apps for iphones and android and they will add other features they wished they did before... imo. maybe not every time. but sure enough we will see alot of amazing ports and even new creations!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] andrew-in-woking:
No copy and paste

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxjeEpOJbMc

my phone does not tell me when I have voicemail?

I get a toast notification when a voicemail arrives. I gat a "1" in on the phone home screen tile and the icon for voicemail changes in the phone application. If you don't get these notifications you should speak to your network operator/carrier.

no easy way to use custom ringtones, all the default sounds and tones suck

The development for this is that ringtones will be made available through the marketplace so I don't think Microsoft will let end users put custom ringtones on their devices. I hope some of the ringtones that go on the marketplace will be free!

wifi and 3g is pretty slow on this device

The speed of celular data is network dependent and definitely varies between networks. At the moment there seems no absolute way to be sure that, even when Wifi is on and connected, that your phone is using Wifi instead of celular data. Let's hope Microsoft add a "disconnect" button or toggle for celular data.

I miss google maps

Google Maps 5 for Android is clearly light years ahead of any other mapping software:

http://pocketnow.com/android/google-maps-5-demod-on-a-phone

Let's hope Google make it for WP7. They haven't confirmed that they will.

Cheers

andrew-in-woking