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[Desire HD General] faugusztin:
I only buy sim-free phones for full price, as i hate being locked by contract. And considering i pay 6.9€ for 1GB data package + the costs for calls (0.12€/min, 0.06€/SMS), it's a perfect option.

For most phones, being on contract in my country usually means paying a lot more than the retail price. For example, the cheapest price for Desire HD right now on contract in my country is 209 euros, and that includes a prety high monthly bill.
[Desire HD General] xspyda:
Mind me asking how long ago you got your second one? Credit to the 3 store I called today, he said the phones are locked to 3 but when quizzed said he assumes they are but they don't have a different sim to try. He did say I could try my sim in it though.

I didn't bother in the end as there was only one in stock - likely this would be a demo model and it meant racing across town to catch it which I didn't have time to do!

Might pay a visit tomorrow ... we'll see.
[Desire HD General] xspyda:
Some interesting points here folks, thanks for your replies.

I am all for buying sim free as you get a better choice of handset and can ditch it for a new one whenever you like. Personally I prefer to keep hold of a device for a while - it's just a question of finding the right one.

I also prefer the reduced line rental. Currently £5 / month for me inc 600 mins, unlimited txt and 3GB data allowance. I can't complain at that even if I do have to fork out £450 for the phone!
[Desire HD General] RobTheRover:
I've just done a deal for one with Phones4u in the UK.

I was told the phones are in stock, are unbranded and unlocked to any carrier.

I got mine for FREE on t-Mobile, with 600 mins + 3000 texts, which turns out to be the unlimited texts booster and I can change that after 30 days to the unlimited internet booster and drop to 500 texts (but I've got a couple of months left on my old contract so my existing O2 sim will be in the DHD for a while until the internet booster is applied).

Oh, and TopCashBack are offering £35.35 cashback on new web deals with phones4u, so I got this too!!!

I've had their eyes out!!! I'm expecting a rather lovely package being delivered on saturday..... :D
[Desire HD General] xspyda:
Sounds a decent deal Rob, how much a month and over what contract duration?

Did you have to fight for the deal or was it standard?
[Desire HD General] O_G:
12 month contract is best (if you can get one)

I got my Desire HD around three weeks ago from vodafone. 300 mins + unlimited texts + unlimited data (fair use policy). For £40 a month and free handset.

Might seem a high monthly price but it is a 12 month contract, so the total price for handset and contract is £480. Which is about the same as the sim free price for the phone alone. So for me it is a no brainer.

I can also upgrade my handset 3 months before the end of my contract, so as long as nothing fantastic comes out in the next nine months, its cool;) and even if it does the price will settle by the time my contract is over.

For a added bonus it is unbranded and unlocked. Happy Days!!:)
[Desire HD General] xspyda:
Ok, starting to wonder now if I should buy on contract and let the g/f keep the contract whislt I get the phone ... she's currently on PAYG so would be a little more a month but this could work out.

Wonder what the best deal is out there atm. Got to be worth exploring I think.
[Desire HD General] mancuk29:
No issue was around 3 weeks ago. Staff thought they were locked but I tried different sim defo unlocked
[Desire HD General] xspyda:
Presume you were allowed to try in store before you took it away or did you just chance it?
[Desire HD General] paulus_01:
What puzzles me is that some people in this thread consider buying sim free to be an advantage because they can sell the phone when they feel like it.

How would this not be the case if you get the phone unlocked, but with contract?

No difference whatsoever....in both cases you'll need to buy a new phone....only thing to consider is the total cost of ownership, be it either sim free with a low monthly fee, but a high initial purchase cost vs no initial purchase cost but a higher monthly fee, ceteris paribus :D

This i.m.o. should be the decision, all other is irrational ;)
[Desire HD General] xspyda:
I'm inclined to agree with the above post haivng looked more carefully into the current cost of contracts. When I began buying sim free it was a few years ago and contract prices were a LOT higher than they are now. It seems as competition has hotted up and contract prices have come down there is now little advantage to buying sim free - except when the carriers brand the phones but we all know that's not a problem with the Desire HD :)

Best deal I can find at the moment works out £600 over 24 months with the phone free. Would be interested to hear of any better deals available to everyone and not just through retentions?
[Desire HD General] mancuk29:
Just went off previous knowledge of new release I did fire the phone up and there was no 3 branding so I took the gamble and it paid off ...
[Desire HD General] xspyda:
Well I called another store today and was told that I can't try the sim as this would make the phone second hand. Fair enough to be honest. She also told me that even if it was locked it would be only £15 to unlock and that can be done straight away - handy to know I thought.
[Desire HD General] Mojo Fones:
I got mine from CPW on a 24 month contract. The sim only tariff I was on was costing £25 per month and I'm now paying £35 per month for an even better package. This makes the cost of my phone (assuming I would have stayed on the original tariff) £240. That's pretty good for an unbranded sim-free Desire HD. I'll be able to get at the very least £100 when I upgrade in 2 years so I'm very pleased with it.

Oh, and in answer to the original question - no. It's a superb phone but not worth £500, IMHO.
[Desire HD General] terryd1980:
Which network are you on?
[Desire HD General] xspyda:
T-Mobile :)
[Desire HD General] panyan:
i have it on contract, there is absolutely no way i could drop £500 on a phone all in one go. I see having a contract as paying the phone off in installments with the added benefits of calls and texts to sweeten the deal :p :p :p
[Desire HD General] trickyhenry:
Can I just remind everyone that the phone costs the same no matter if you buy it sim free or on contract. The only difference is the bundle deal your getting. Just ensure you shop around.

Deal comparisons

- Orange e2save.com

24 month 500mins, unlim txt's, 500mb x £30 free handset

= £720 all in

or

£499 for phone sim free - devicewire.com

1mnth contract £10.00 500mins and unlim txt and data = £240 - Tesco

= £740 all in

The second option does not tie you into a contract and works out within £20.00.

Can everyone now stock saying they would not pay £500.00 for a phone! You are! The desire HD is well worth it btw.

Thanks all.
[Desire HD General] panyan:
so when you buy the phone sim free, how many minutes and texts do you get inclusive by buying it straight? and how much free insurance so you get?
[Desire HD General] AndyCr15:
The maths has been done already... take another look.

I don't use insurance from the carrier anyway.
[Desire HD General] Mojo Fones:
The maths have been done in my post too. My DHD cost way less than £500.
[Desire HD General] AndyCr15:
You're paying £35 a month over two years and you think the phone is only really the £10 more that you pay? I don't think so.

Why not give us the carrier and what you get. There are many plans that give you a free phone for £20 to £25 a month. I suggest you're paying too much...Either way, if I was paying £840, regardless of what minutes you get, i would want a free phone!
[Desire HD General] Mojo Fones:
The simple fact is that I would have been paying £25 per month anyway so I am only paying an extra £10. The details of the tariff are irrelevant, but here they are; 900 minutes, unlimited texts, unlimited photo messages, 5gb data. I am also allowed to use my phone as a tether with my iPad - many cheaper plans do not allow this. My carrier is Orange. I would have been paying that £25 every month anyway, so yes I am only paying an extra £10 per month for the phone.

I don't understand why you want to argue about it.
[Desire HD General] AndyCr15:
Why should I not? You're disagreeing with me, I should just say 'oh, okay'. Why do you want to argue about it?

It's a simple fact they have built in to your plan that you will pay for the phone. Do you really believe this not to be the case?

For you, in this instance, yes, you just had to pay £10 more to get the phone free. (As is my understanding) My point would be, you could probably have got them to give you the phone on your phone for a £25 a month contract*, so in fact, the £10 extra doesn't pay for your phone at all, it pays for the extra mins/text/data that they gave you.

*Many, including myself, got them to give me a free DHD on a £20 a month for 24 months.

As you say, the details of the tariff are irrelevant to an extent, the cost of the phone is built in to what you pay each month. Surely you can't disagree with that?

**EDIT** In fact, using your (wrong) method of how much a handset costs, my DHD was minus £60! (Well, when I got it through upgrade, I bought a SIM Free for £450 on opening day)
[Desire HD General] xl VipeR lx:
Mate the math you did is wrong, and don't know where you were looking at DHD prices

let me do my math nice and simple.

Im with o2, my girlfriend is on o2, my family is on o2, so other networks are out the question.

My price

£400 Desire HD

o2 simplicity £15 a month,

300 mins anytime any net

Unlimited Calls to o2 any time

unlimited texts anytime any net

unlimited internet anytime,

(no allowance allocated, though personally my usage is between 1 and 2 gb)

Contract deal, no length, carry on till i cancel, phone, mine to keep sim free, unlocked and unbranded,
[Desire HD General] Mojo Fones:
Damn I've been robbed, I'm such a fool. Glad I've got the internet to tell me.
[Desire HD General] AndyCr15:
Wow, issues Mojo? First no-ones allowed to disagree with you. Then when we do prove that the initial statement someone made is fine, you come out with more attitude. Nice.
[Desire HD General] vansmuk:
MOD Edit:Removed content..... suggesting any type of illegal activity goes against XDA policies.

Drop this subject at once!!

M_T_M
[Desire HD General] vimto25:
Wow unlucky you went that way as over 2 years you pay £360 for that tariff + 400 you say for phone when your lucky to find 1 for 450 which = 760 with your amazing price handset total and 810 with a normal price handset total . Bare in mind most pay 20-25 a month and get great tariff like 600mins unlimited tx unlimited internet (3gb with t-mobile) free phone (most are sim free) for a grand total of 600 if you pay 25 like my self or 480 total cost if you managed to get a better deal at 20 a month. So buying the handset costs much much more than many contracts out there. I'm so happy I didn't falk out on just buying a handset. I used to buy sim free only but now I no its better to get a contract.
[Desire HD General] terryd1980:
Just to add my info to the pot, I'm on T-Mobile and paying £28 per month on a 24 month deal, flthat was reduced fro £35 per month on my previous deal, I also got a free upgrade to a Desire HD (although they were out of stock for ages), I get 900 none, unlimited texts & data (technically 3GB).
[Desire HD General] xspyda:
Well to answer my own question as the OP, I have to say that for my use at least, I don't think the Desire HD is worth the Sim Free cost! I'm not even sure any current phone is - especially after reading this thread.

Sure, it's a great device but as an every day phone it just doesn't quite fit the bill for me.
[Desire HD General] xl VipeR lx:
True, but then agian i change my phone like every 6 months: :)

an my contract is really ten a month, 300 minutes is more than enough for me, and unlimited o2 to o2 calls does me fine as everyones on o2 that i call. and and i have unlimited texts too.

the reason why i pay the 5 extra per month is to have the UNLIMITED internet. i normaly use about 1.5 gb a month.

plus this contract cheapest price i could find was £30 on o2. with 500 mb and no unlimited calls to o2
[Desire HD General] AndyCr15:
That's the biggest factor for me, I change phones on average every 3 months recently.

I bought my DHD 450 sim free on release day, then my upgrade came up last week, so I got a free DHD which I sold for 430 last week.
[Off-topic] rdxrdx:
Hello all.

What are you doing on the Computer\Internet?

Which Web sites you visit every day?
[Off-topic] husam666:
ummm posting this reply, DUH!
[Off-topic] orb3000:
Posting to another super off topic thread:eek:
[Off-topic] raving_nanza:
...

GOOGLE!

www.teknogods.com

www.420chan.org

xda ;)

facebook is poo :/
[Off-topic] Shreyas Jani:
Checking out hTC's,Blackberry's,apple's regional websites,surfing for car websites,reading biographies too....and ofcourse,trying to see for solutions or suggestions to customize my laptop and make it more user friendly.:)
[Off-topic] EuroSpeed:
I'm mostly on Xda and E46Fanatics: http://forum.e46fanatics.com/
[Off-topic] qipengart:
XDA rules... on it all of the time now.
[Off-topic] jonjonk:
Websites I visit almost everyday:

Engadget

Gizmodo

thechive

cracked

failblog

gmail lol
[Off-topic] orb3000:
Watching that our Portal is back on line again!!
[Off-topic] Shreyas Jani:
Thanks for the news!:)
[Off-topic] Shreyas Jani:
What i am doing on the Computer?

Well...

No where to post in this forum!:mad:
[Off-topic] ManojNairOnline:
Right now, posting in this thread… In general, use it for office work.
[Off-topic] cd23:
messing with the linux kernel 24/7
[General Questions and Answers] willjohnson:
Hello to all who may be able to help, and thanks in advance. I am kinda new to android, and tried some things i should have researched more, so please no reprimands, i already kinda feel like a dumbass for it. I have a moto droid 2. I rooted using the Z4 root in the app market. I then installed system app remover, also from market. I was not planning on flashing new roms, just getting rid of bloat and maybe replacing some of the original apps with market stuff that in my opinion is better. I realized that the app remover i was using did not seem to show all the system apps. I downloaded titanium backup and gave it a whirl. I removed some of the stock apps, and when i did not like the result tried to reinstall them only to find out that titanium backup only backs up the data, not the app itself(System app remover does, and beeing a noob, i assumed that titanium would be the same). So now i am sitting here with a rooted droid 2, with a complete titanium backup, that still works(minus the apps i uninstalled), and i was wondering if anyone could advise me on how to get some of the factory apps back, and maybe also advise me on better ways to accomplish what i am doing. Again Thanks in advance and sorry to take your time with noob stuff. I did not know where else to turn, the people on this forum seem to be the Samurai-Ninja-Gurus of andriod.
[General Questions and Answers] willjohnson:
Please anyone, i really need some help.
[Epic 4G Accessories] Xhyperion:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/24/game-gripper-continues-its-evolution-with-a-new-epic-4g-model-g/

I know there is anther thread about this but its more of a request for it. I ordered mine this morning. Feed back from others is appreciated about how it handles. Gaming with the psx emu just got awesome.
[Epic 4G Accessories] scriz:
Damn you beat me :P
[Epic 4G Accessories] IBNobody:
Ordered one in SNES colors. Anything would be a step up from the unusable keyboard.
[Epic 4G Accessories] OperationMove:
Yo! Thanks for the post(s) guys! I knew one was going to drop sooner or later but I wasn't following it that closely. Bought myself one in Xbox Colors, with an extra set of blue rubber buttons (The rubber buttons sound like a good idea, just wanted to get both so I can feel what i want more.) I don't mind 3.99 for extra buttons. Either way i hope that ***** shows up soon!
[Epic 4G Accessories] kaokollaa:
check this out

http://androidgod.net/?p=2247
[Epic 4G Accessories] BeerChameleon:
Just orderd mine too with SNES Colors, plus an extra set of all green just in case i want it all green. :D

Just kinda worried about trimming the rubber pads down if needed so that is another reason why i got the extra set of buttons just in case. :)
[Epic 4G Accessories] sewhuy:
There's an opening on the game gripper that allows charging while mounted so that's awesome. Only thing is that its blocking the headphone jack...probably going to do some dremeling. Having a blast playing secret of mana with my friends via wifi
[Epic 4G Accessories] linkinincubus:
Anybody think it will fit with an extended battery pack? like this one http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=260697275156
[Epic 4G Accessories] muyoso:
Your link is expired. I have the 3500 mAh battery here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=864638

and the game gripper works flawlessly with it.
[Epic 4G Accessories] linkinincubus:
Thanks Muyoso! I just ordered the battery myself so its great to know it won't get in the way.
[Epic 4G Accessories] ZenInsight:
Seidio Innocell 3000mAh Extended Life Battery for Samsung Epic

The case looks like it would work with the gamegripper!!!!!

http://www.mobilecityonline.com/wire...68&refid=alert
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jac_83:
Hi!

I just got my SGS a week ago, and have encountered some issues I would like some help with.

The external SD card I had in my previous phone is having some issues, sometimes when I go to the music player the album art is there and all of the songs, but when you click on a song a message shows saying "the file does not exist", same thing in the gallery, there are thumbnails but when clicking nothing loads.

According to "myFiles" there is indeed a SD card present but it only contains 2 unreadable files, and in the settings menu the amount of space is still correct accordingly to what is on the card.

After a reboot the phone media scans the card, and the files are back.

I tryed format the SD card from the phone but it didn't help.

Running the phone stock out of the box with 2.1
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AllGamer:
navigate to /sdcard/sd/

then you will see your real stuff

/sdcard = internal SD of the phone

/sdcard/sd = external SD you insert into the phone
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Funkadelick:
Hey I had the same issue. Not sure what happens. I think it happens when I put the USB cable in. I downloaded some widget/app that can basically re-scan your media without you having to restart.

forget the name but check it out / search for it.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jac_83:
That is what i meant, in /sdcard/sd/, when i start the phone up all files are there, and then randomly disappear, both there and in musicplayer/gallery.

Hmm, but is such behavior normal, I mean it feels like it shouldn't be necessary to have a app. to constantly remind the phone of the SD cards content.

I'm curious if it's a hardware issue (SD card or phone) or just software..
[Epic 4G General] MДЯCЦSДИT:
Why did that not have froyo on the phone when it was released? Froyo was out for a while before the phone was released, so does anybody have any idea why they didn't start out with froyo? Did they like ecairs better than ice cream? Who knows?
[Epic 4G General] muyoso:
Because they didn't.

/thread
[Epic 4G General] Kcarpenter:
The development cycles on these phones is 6 or 7 months if not longer. When they started on the phone, FroYo probably wasn't to manufacturers yet. It is not easy at all to change course with software projects. And incredibly expensive to chunk everything that you have and start over. So they build it on eclair, and work on FroYo when its released, also you have all of the politics involved about which phones in your lineup gets updated, how many developers to put on each piece of hardware. I don't think most people realize the amount of planning that goes into any software written for profit. You'd probably **** your self if you saw some of my Gantt Charts, time lines, flow charts and other various wastes of paper that are done before a single line of code is typed (with the exception of prototyping) You can't just take a leap and start coding, switch gears 11 times, then hope to ever hit a deadline or budget. There isn't a lot of cost in the actual product of software, but the minds that power it are not cheap labor.
[Epic 4G General] 2kidz:
lmao!!!!!!!!!
[Epic 4G General] sling:
You have ruined my day posting Barry pic.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] t4revan:
So today after rubbing my trackball on some paper to hopefully get it to go right again my trackball stopped clicking all together. There also appear to be groves in the ball?

I called HTC and got the regular options. Send my phone and let them examine it or prepay for a new one and get reimbursed. I've had a horrible experience with them already when my screen cracked itself overheating on the charger. Now lets say I pay them the 530 and send in when I recieve the new one is there any chance of them keeping what I paid for the new or even any part of that money? Or is it a straight exchange with no risks of loosing money?
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DsMobile:
Hello everyone, yesterday i had the problem with the market in wich it did't downloaded the apps, i tried to reset to factory / hard reset and still nothing, so today i flahed the JPO from samfirmwares (it was exactly the same version that i had previously) all went well and the market now works fine.

The problem is when i go into recovery to install voodoo lag fix it says the signature for the update.zip file failed, the recovery mode is now in version e3 wich is strange because before the reflash it was e2 and this is the same version.

Why does the recovery mode goes to e3 version?

Is e3 a the version of recovery mode or is something like a state?

Is it possible to use non signatured update.zip files with e3?

Any other possibility of applying update.zip different from the recovery mode?
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] yiannisthegreek:
If the device is rooted (or if not you can root it using the z4root app by RyanZA) you can then download an app from the Market called Rom Manager and in that app you can flash the Clockwork Recovery Mod and install update.zip files directly from the app...
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DsMobile:
Thanks yiannisthegreek in the meantime i used http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=788108 and is all fine now. Anyway i will try the Clockwork Recovery Mod to install future update.zip
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] yiannisthegreek:
No problem. Just so you know... z4root is a one click app that requires no flashing of any kind. Keep it in mind for the future...
[Vibrant Accessories] nearblack:
Hey where is the best place to buy a new USB cable for data transfer and charging?

I need one fast and cheap.
[Vibrant Accessories] thuynh022:
Your nearest dollar store.
[Vibrant Accessories] nearblack:
do they actually sell those lol?

I wouldn't even be surprised.
[Vibrant Accessories] MoWeb:
I bought one here if you like ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220685241015&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

It's about 2ft. and says its OEM Samsung. It does look like the cable that was in my t-mo Vibrant box only shorter.

Purchased on the Thur. 18th received Mon. 22nd.

Hope this helps:)