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[G Tablet General] anlog:
Now that the GTab is $349 it is almost "disposable". It is bleeding edge hardware and so far doesn't exactly have the best "official" support. But, there are no protective restrictions on it and it is definitely a hacker's "dream come true".

A ton of Tegra 2 devices will be coming out next year and many will have amazing screens. I just don't see any of them coming close to the $350 price point. Right now you can basically buy two GTabs for the price of a 64GB iPad, and the GTab smokes it (short of the screen). For me, the screen is not a deal breaker. Yes, it sucks, but I can certainly live with it.

When friends and family ask me what kind of computer to buy I always tell them the same thing: Buy the absolute cheapest (new) computer you can possibly find and in 18 months throw it away and buy another. I just can't justify spending $2000 on something that will be worth next to nothing in 2 years. Obviously, this excludes those individuals whose line of work requires a substantial amount of processing power. I'm talking about aunt Sue and grandma here.

I have a feeling that many of the people who return their GTabs end up regretting it. Enjoy it for what it is and know that when even more amazing tablets come out next year you not only won't have already invested a forture, but will also have had access to that amazing technology for months longer than John Q. Public...
[G Tablet General] switt:
Yeah, in a year tabs arent going to be significantly faster. 1GB of ram will probably be common but 512 should suffice for a good while. It'll be the software that changes. We have willing devs all we need are drivers to keep this tablet fresh.
[G Tablet General] cuzzinz:
i AGREE

The funny thing is... i cant really see anyone needing more than 512 of ram until devs start to take more advantage of tablets with crazy widgets and such.

Even on my incredible with 512 with my 5 screens and favorites widget and scrolling calendar widget and beautiful smaller home....etc the phone ALWAYS has almost 300+mb free.

512mb is going to take us quite a bit into the future of tablets... now if only we can solve this darn LCD problem lol
[G Tablet General] orangezero:
First post, just got the gtablet yesterday and put tntlite 2.2 on it. Works good!

As far as the LCD is concerned, it does suck quite a bit in the vertical position. Hard to read books unless you tilt it just right. You can actually alternately close one eye and then the other to see the slight differences in "background" color.

I'd be all up for doing a replacement. My question involves the resolution. I've seen a few newer tegra2 tablets show up that are 10.1in and also have 1280x800 resolutions. I bet they'll be several in the coming months, with ebay replacement lcds to follow, hopefully.

How complex would it be to slip one of those in, assuming the cable and power requirements are the same and the resolution is different? Would it need an entirely new android OS? Or just changing one parameter? Or would it autodetect? Would it still boot into the clockworkmod?

Sorry, I'm a little new to android, especially the software side of things.

EDIT: I just made it through all the "hardware breakdown" tab and read all about the different monitors discussed in there. Sorry for asking duplicate questions, but I'm not sure if anyone "in the know" actually addressed the resolution question.
[G Tablet General] thetechman123:
U guys r rite + in the G Tab teardown they found a slot for an extra 512mb RAM so we good
[G Tablet General] markgolly:
It all comes down to getting kernel source. If we can get kernel source, we might be able to use panels with other resolutions. Without the kernel source, forget it.

Its not a "slot" per se, its "pads" where RAM chips can be soldered down. Sorry to be a bit pedantic, but pads are a bit more work than a slot....
[G Tablet General] thetechman123:
Oh I see thx for the info
[G Tablet General] teknikk7:
Anyone know if the g tab uses the same 40 pin connector?

Also, does anyone know where to find the viewing angles for the SAMSUNG LTN101NT02? I searched all over the web, nothing. (Edit, Found Them 45 45 20 40) ehh
[G Tablet General] cuzzinz:
I think i remember reading in the hardware breakdown thread that the gtab uses the same 40pin out as most standard netbooks
[G Tablet General] raggededge:
Well, I'd buy an extra one just to try replacing the screen.
[G Tablet General] ncaggie1989:
I was thinking the exact same thing this morning :)
[G Tablet General] arrow21:
I would be very interested in the results, one of you should try it :) Then tell us! :D
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
If anyone can get this working, please inform us

I've already opened my device up, so no worries there. My main concern is that I don't want to buy a $60 LCD panel and then find out that it doesn't fit, or that the connector is wrong.

I'm hoping that we have an owner out there who possibly works in an area where LCD's are available for testing, so that they could work out a solution. (Crosses fingers!)
[G Tablet General] akodoreign:
I would take apart my wifes HP mini and try the 10.1 LED in it but I probably would be killed :D...

If I have enough at the end of the month I probably will order a replacement screen to give a try. :D
[G Tablet General] tristanwolf1134:
If we can all agree on an LCD, I will purchase it and do the swap as soon as it arrives. If it fails, we can do this again.

Trist
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
Btw, as soon as I can get a and 2nd unit, I'm going to take my used one apart so I can spec things out. If I can at least get the dimensions of what's in there, that might be a start (has anyone done that, yet?)

That's NOT a plea to donate, btw - this community has been very generous to me already and I really appreciate it. I've been scouring the Outlet for a used device, but I might push the button on a new device instead. I hope that SEARS price matches OD as I don't have an OD near me.
[G Tablet General] smileyscout:
http://cgi.ebay.com/SAMSUNG-NP-N210-LAPTOP-LCD-SCREEN-10-1-WSVGA-GLOSSY-/170557903897?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27b60b1419#ht_4012wt_1139

$70 shipped from eBay for that Samsung screen. The listing details state it uses a 40 pin connector.
[G Tablet General] floatpoo:
Just so we don't have duplicate efforts, I wanted to let everyone know that I ordered a ChiMei N101L6-L0D. Based on the manufacturer specs, the viewing angles are just barely better than the AUO panel. But its the only other panel I could find that's 3.6mm thick. I should get the panel today or tomorrow, and I'll post my results once the swap is complete.

ChiMei N101L6-L0D = w w w .chimei-innolux.com/opencms/cmo/products/notebook/products_notebook_N101L6_L06.html?__locale=en
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
Thanks for the update!
[G Tablet General] stanglx:
Whats the damage $$?
[G Tablet General] floatpoo:
I purchased it from blisscomputers for $50 + $15 shipping. I called them ahead of time and they said they would guarantee me a N101L6-L0D. Although I'm a bit worried since their customer rep had really bad english, so I hope he understood what I was explicitly asking for.
[G Tablet General] stanglx:
Did you by the CCFL or LED model? <--- Forget question.. just saw LOD is the LED version

Specs of original screen:

w w w.yslcd.com.tw/docs/product/B101AW06%20V.1.pdf
[G Tablet General] teknikk7:
The viewing angles on that screen are 45 45 20 40, just slightly better than stock. :(
[G Tablet General] teknikk7:
As stated on another thread, this is the panel we want.

http://www.auo.com/?sn=149&lang=en-US&c=34&n=146

The specs closely resemble an IPS panel. The size is an obstacle. Thicker and longer than stock. Also, they seem impossible to find right now.

Viewsonic, if you swap panels with this one and drop TNT you would have an iPad competitor!
[G Tablet General] orangezero:
The newer AUO one, I'm guessing, is going to be a bit more expensive than the other ones we are looking at.

Just a hint. I was really getting irritated with mine the other day and noticed my hand kept getting in the way of the light sensor, so it was constantly adjusting the brightness of the screen. When I set it to a constant brightness it seemed to be much easier to read and deal with. Hopefully its just a short term fix
[G Tablet General] floatpoo:
Arrggghhh. Just as I feared, they sent me a LG LP101WSB-TLN1 instead of the CMO N101L6-L0D (which they promised me over the phone). I can't find the spec sheet for the WSB-TLN1, but if its similar to the WSA-TLN1, then viewing angles are going to be even worse than the stock screen.

Regardless, I'll install the new panel and see how it is.
[G Tablet General] stanglx:
Keep us posted..
[G Tablet General] jfholijr:
please take pictures along the way?
[G Tablet General] TaterTot24:
Subscribing... thanks guys!
[G Tablet General] Hal0053:
Fingers crossed! I hope you guys can get this working!
[G Tablet General] jam40jeff:
I am also extremely interested in this. If someone could get an IPS screen on a G Tablet, it would be the best tablet out there. I love it, but there's no denying that a screen upgrade would be tremendous.

Does anyone know if this screen really is an IPS panel and if it could be swapped into a G Tablet?

www dot mrdigitalcn dot com / hot-epc-101-apad-tablet-pc-windows-7-laptop-touch-screen-with-cpu-n450-wifi-1g-ram-160g-sata_p3152 dot html

(Please remove spaces from link as I am not able to post links yet.)
[G Tablet General] LightC:
Subscribing

Subscribing to this thread. Just got my G-tab today. The viewing angles are horrible in portrait mode. Each of my eyes sees vastly different images when viewing it head on.

For the $279 + tax that I paid, it's still a good value however. Just debating whether I should wait another few months for a similarly spec'd tablet at this price point that has a better screen. Do you guys think that will happen within the next 2-3 months? If so, I should probably just return and hold out for a while.

Also, how likely is it we'll be able to find a better screen for this device and approximately how much would they go for? Is it worth the hassle? I'd love an IPS screen but I'm not an Apple fanboy
[G Tablet General] rothnic:
I don't think you'd get something similar in spec and size for $279. In a couple months the bottom level notion ink adam will be around $425 shipped.
[G Tablet General] LightC:
Subscribing

Subscribing to this thread. Just got my G-tab today. The viewing angles are horrible in portrait mode. Each of my eyes sees vastly different images when viewing it head on.

For the $279 + tax that I paid, it's still a good value however. Just debating whether I should wait another few months for a similarly spec'd tablet at this price point that has a better screen. Do you guys think that will happen within the next 2-3 months? If so, I should probably just return and hold out for a while.

Also, how likely is it we'll be able to find a better screen for this device and approximately how much would they go for? Is it worth the hassle? I'd love an IPS screen like on the iPad
[G Tablet General] HorsexD:
atleast 50$ + tax and shipping for cheaper ones talked about here. it all depends on the screen you get and if it fits. People still havent settled on a screen yet but im gonna buy a Glossy screen of the same type and see how viewing angles improve over the stock matte.
[G Tablet General] tyy10002:
Acer and Asus are going to a 10inch tablets (very similar specs) during the first quarter, they always said that the price will be around 399. 279 is a great deal..
[G Tablet General] floatpoo:
I swapped in the new panel, and unfortunately, the LG LP101WSB-TLN1 is AWFUL. Both picture quality and viewing angles are noticeably worse than the stock screen. Its a shame because physically, the LG is a perfect fit (length, width, and height).

I tried to to take pictures to show the horrible viewing angles, but my camera wasn't good enough to truly convey what my eyes saw. So you just have to trust me on this one.

So in a nut shell, stay away from the LG LP101WSB-TLN1 !
[G Tablet General] Lnin0:
Has anyone tried to see if one of these will fit? HANNSTAR HSD101PFW2-B00
[G Tablet General] HorsexD:
Well for what its Worth I Wanted to Try the Same lcd type as the stock But GLOSSY instead of Matte so I ordered one off ebay and it should be here eather today or somtime early next week. Glossy should have better viewing angles, and richer colors but increase glare (although we have glass fronts so theres already glare) so it shouldnt be much of a difference in glare. ill report back after I install it and try out the viewing angles. :D

I Ordered a B101AW06 V.1 Glossy Type Lcd
[G Tablet General] rcgabriel:
Well, you got a Thanks button from me for making the effort, floatpoo. This does go to show that we can successfully drop in a replacement LCD if it's the same resolution and a compatible cabling without any issue.

I strongly suspect that a lot of the twisted-nemastic (TN) type LCDs are going to suck roughly as bad as the stock LCD, or worse as in this case.

What we need to do is get the kernel source then figure out if we can jimmy the B101EW05 into place and get the G Tablet running at 1280x800.
[G Tablet General] floatpoo:
Barring physical fitment issues, the active display area of the B101EW05 is different than the B101AW06. The EW05 is 217.0 x 135.6 mm and the AW06 is 222.7 x 125.3 mm. In regards to height, it means the EW05 will have ~10 mm of screen that will be hidden away by the GTab's bezel. In other words, the top and bottom of Android's desktop will be clipped by 5 mm each.
[G Tablet General] rcgabriel:
Ahh, that's a fair point and a bummer indeed. I didn't read those spec sheets too carefully. :(
[G Tablet General] nataluna:
I'm not sure why this screen is supposed to be matte, mine is completely glossy, like glass. It gets a lot of reflections, so I just make sure I sit where I don't get light coming from certain directions. I read some people put a non-glare screenprotector, but I have yet to track down the right size one. An ipad one is like an inch too short (>_<)

But I really don't see what's so bad about this screen. I've been reading ebooks on it like crazy. But I use a stand, maybe that's why. I went on amazon and got those little rubberized wire stands that are like 2 for $5 and they come in black which matches nicely (or white for ipads - lol) and I have one where my desktop's monitor used to be before my desktop died and another spare for reading in bed or wherever... and I just use those. It's a lot more comfortable than using it in your hands, and I think it solves the angles problem, cos that hasn't been bothering me to any noticeable degree.

All that being said, it will be so interesting to see how the experiments progress, with changing out the screens. Why not, right?!
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
The LCD is really starting to annoy me, now. It's like an itch that I can't scratch.

Looked at an iPad again, today. One thing I have to say is that the IPS screen is pretty sweet. But other than that it's a big FAIL, at least for my needs.
[G Tablet General] teknikk7:
roebeet, stop looking at the iPad. It will be your downfall. I made the mistake of buying one for my 8 year old daughter. While I am no apple lover I have used them since the very beginning and use them everyday at work. Even after jailbreaking the iPad, I still have trouble using it due to the lack of openness. Anyhow, she loves it and the screen is beautiful for lack of a better word. It's what made me hate my GTab display even more.

Despite what people say, the display is the gateway to the hardware. And the most important component on the device. The GTab is the highest spec tablet out there but it's screen it crap. While the TN trash may work on typical LCD display's and netbooks because they offer a fixed position which you work from, a tablet is used differently.

I tried to love the GTab but had to let it go. Like roebeet said, it was an itch I couldn't scratch and drove me insane. So what else is out there with an IPS display that is not an iPad? The nook color. Not originally a tablet per se but with a simple hack it becomes a very capable 2.1 tablet (2.2 TK). Obviously the specs are vastly different from the GTab but the screen makes it something I can work with. It is a joy to look at and use. At .5'' thick and less than a pound it is also very portable.
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
I looked at the NC yesterday, again (for the 2nd time). If it were a 10 inch device, I would have bought it. But 7 inches is not enough for comics reading, or magazines for that matter.
[G Tablet General] teknikk7:
But imagine how the comic colors would pop on an IPS display! I hear ya, I would love a 10" device also. I gotta say, going from 10" to 7" is not as bad as I thought, density changer really helps in this area.
[G Tablet General] Darkeyce:
I had the NC and took it back for my gtab...No regrets. the 7" screen was great until i started reading books on the gtab. so while gtab viewing angles are for shizzle still i'm pretty happy.
[G Tablet General] teknikk7:
Did you root it?
[G Tablet General] racedog:
I keep coming in here when I see new posts to see if anything new has been learned about putting in a new screen but this thread seems to have gone wildly off topic.

R
[G Tablet General] dmglakewood:
I will take the plunge and order one of the more expensive screens and try it out. I went with the LG LP101WH1 Glossy screen. With express shipping it cost me close to 100$ (I hate waiting for shipping so I paid the extra 10$)

The screen should be in on Thursday and I will make the swap after work. From the specs it appears to be a better screen, but better stats doesn't always mean better screen. I do like that it's the exact same size and uses the same connectors. So no modification is needed just drop it in and test it out.
[G Tablet General] o9guy:
How are you planning to adjust for the different resolution? Has anyone tried other resolutions? I thought a post in the kernel source thread mentioned that the native resolution was hard-coded for the touch screen. It shouldn't be too hard to find, replace, and recompile the source. I'm enthusiasticly waiting to see your success and how much better viewing angles are.
[G Tablet General] dmglakewood:
I wasn't too worried about resolutions yet, I was just curious how a higher end screen would look in the device. If the screen looks good I will dive more into it, if not I guess the search continues on.
[G Tablet General] o9guy:
Sweet --best of luck! I can't wait to see the results.
[G Tablet General] floatpoo:
I just got off Live Chat support (Tony) over at nbkit.com. And they confirmed I would be getting a LG LP101WH1-TLB1 panel, and not some compatible alternative. Looks like nbkit is located in China, so shipping to the US will take about 5 business days with the fastest shipping available. I haven't found a US-based retailer that could guarantee this panel, so I'll be ordering from nbkit.

A big note about this panel. Apparently the LVDS connector is on the left side of the panel, so you'll need a left-to-right adapter in order to reuse the stock lvds cable in the gtab. Here are some sample pics of what it looks like: link.

Nbkit also has this adapter available, but you need to make a special note about including this adapter during time of order. Otherwise (presumably), they won't include the adapter.
[G Tablet General] Darkeyce:
No, i didnt root it...I had it and returned it before the root was developed.
[G Tablet General] xyzforum:
Anyone knows how to fix my screen in this orientation (flip up side down)? it DOES looks much better.
[G Tablet General] floatpoo:
Flipping the panel upside down will not work due to physical constraints. In landscape orientation, the height of the top half of the panel is shorter than the bottom half. So if you were to flip it upside down, there's not enough room to accommodate the extra height. You can see what I mean by looking at this pic: link.

This also explains why the top half bezel is shorter than the bottom.
[G Tablet General] xyzforum:
Thanks, but I am not talking about flipping the screen physically. I want to rotate the screen to that orientation and fix it in that orientation. I can get to that orientation if I turn on "Auto rotate" and hold the tab in that way, but I could not fix the orientation as once I turn off "auto rotate", it goes back the normal landscape mode (where home button is on the right)

my question in another way: is there a way to fix your screen orientation in one of 4 possible modes (portrait, landscape, portraid flipped, landscape flipped)? just like what we can do in windows.
[G Tablet General] dmglakewood:
Okay so the LG LP101WH1 fits height & width, but the thickness doesn't fit. It's just a little to thick. So that screen is a no go.
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
Thanks for the update on that.
[G Tablet General] proengin:
Hi Floatpoo,

I tried to install the LG LP101WH1-TLB1 ordered from nbkit.com today but found the panel's vertical was too long to fit into my Zpad's glass recess area. In other words, the panel won't sit flat onto the glass panel.

FYI, Zpad is pretty the twin of g-tab. The stock panel of Zpad is a Hannstar HSD101PFWS Rev. 0-B00, which is about 3.2 mm thick. I think the vertical length is a more serious problem than the the extra height of 2.0+ mm we have to deal with. I have a feeling the recess areas of Zpad and g-tab are different. I will physically measure the dimensions tomorrow and report back. In the Zpad, the panel is actually sitting on 4 rubber trims at the edges of recess area. I wonder if G-tab has these rubber trims. I wonder if these rubber trims can be remove to give that 2mm room but then I worry about the metal bezel of panel having direct contact with the glass may result in scratches.

Again, the vertical length is my major problem at the moment - doesn't look like I can get around it.

Patrick
[G Tablet General] dougmod:
any update on other people that ordered the screens?
[G Tablet General] bittrix:
AUO also makes an evil twin to our much-hated B101AW06 panels... It's got identical resolution and dot pitch, might have a bit more contrast and brightness, and claims 100/130 degree viewing angles. I haven't found the detailed spec for it, so can't speak to thickness. It's the A101SW01 used for photo-frame displays:

http://www.auo.com/?sn=149&lang=en-US&c=41&n=190
[G Tablet General] jfholijr:
Why do you call it an evil twin?
[G Tablet General] bittrix:
'cause "good fairy" is too controversial and all the other cool names enjoy trademark protection.

'cause the devil is always in the details

No reason. Just a figure-of-speech.
[G Tablet General] jfholijr:
Is the only thing about this screen is thickness? I would love to have 100/130 degrees viewing angles!
[G Tablet General] mikec86:
Screen Replacement

How about a Viewsonic picture viewer? Newegg.com has one for $67 that has a 10.2 inch screen at 1024 x 600 resolution.

part# VFD1027w-11

I believe I read somewhere that it had a 160 deg viewing angle.....
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
An interesting idea - you'd think those screen angles would have to be better. :)
[G Tablet General] mikec86:
Yeah, the one thing not easily changed on these tabs has to be the thing we use the most.

Oh, By the way great work on the mods, It's much appreciated...
[G Tablet General] bittrix:
I just read the online reviews. Good viewing angles landscape, strongly favors one direction potrait...
[G Tablet General] dougmod:
What about connecting the picture frame screen? How would that work? Any update from the guys that bought screens from China?
[G Tablet General] Frrrrrrunkis:
Ah I posted in the breakdown thread also,but I will do it here too. Has anyone considered the LED 10.1 inch screens of the new Acer Aspire one Netbooks? LED screens are generally thinner than their LCD counterparts no?
[G Tablet General] akodoreign:
Wife's hp mini has similar led just worried she will kll me if i take it apart:cool:
[G Tablet General] Frrrrrrunkis:
Well I don't condone the death if you or your wife HP Mini either. Lol

I was thinking of something Like this:

http://www.r3electronics.com/Acer-Aspire-One-D150-BWDOM-LCD-Screen-10.1-inch-Glossy-LED-WSVGA-1024x600-CrystalBrite.html