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[Desire HD General] mike1986.:
Sorry, I see no connection with my post :)

It's your opinion. There will be another opinion saying, that it will be nice to have clean ROM with some extra launcher, full ROM with some extra launcher, semi-clean ROM, ROM with blue icons, ROM with yellow icons etc..

Sure. It's better when developer is working 24h per day to make ROM for you because you don't want to spend 15 minutes removing what you don't need. It's better to have everything like you want from the very beginning. Well - it's not working like this, sorry.

Trust? :) I trust to God, that's all. So tomorrow you go to work and you say to your boss - "We don't need contract anymore. Now I will put my trust on you" ;)

Just to make things clear - I don't care about money. And we are not thinking like you wrote "I will make good ROM and I trust people will donate me for this". We think (well... I think) like "I will make as good ROM as I can and if someone will reward it - cool! But I'm not going to loose my job and private life just for hoping and trusting that someone will reward me".

That's my point of view.
[Desire HD General] Trifidw:
I'd love a clean ROM with htcsense.com working but nothing else from Sense.
[Desire HD General] ghostofcain:
I also am of the clean school of thought, I do regularly uninstall apps I don't use from the ROM's I use, and my personal feeling is if it's on the marketplace leave it out (and I am including the Gapps in this).

I realise this isn't everyones preference but then you can never please all of the people, on the other hand we are using the DEV's FREE work so I suppose we have to be happy with whatever they choose
[Desire HD General] Beamen1:
Ok? Nevermind then.

You can always install extra launchers, kernels etc. A ROM doesn't need to contain everything. A ROM (IMHO) should be the OS, the back bone of the phone, not the whole system. If I want to OC my PC I don't get a "Windows 7 with Radeon 5880 + iCore prossesor already clocked, and here is 5 other programs that I like".

I get a Windows OS, I install my ATI drivers, install the OC things I need for MY setup and install the apps/games I WANT.

This 15min times every new update that is released if you want the newest "OS".

That depends. Every one has different motives. Why would the developers of a ROM do ANY changes based on user feedback (I'm not talking about bugs) if they didn't care for the fact that others are using THEIR ROM?

Would it be worth 200-500-1000?? hours of work if your ROM was loaded on 9/10 DHD phones? To some, yes, to others, no. To some, that would be a very satisfying feeling and worth all the work. They might get some $$ for it as well.

Look over.

Don't get me wrong. I'm VERY thankful for this forum and everyone that puts time into making ROMs and Kernels, but it would be fun to get feedback from the forums. Maybe (and hopefully) someone will make the "clean" ROM if the feedback here is pointing in that direction.
[Desire HD General] mike1986.:
This is becoming not really straight to the topic but I can't understand your specific point of view. As long as you don't have wife, job, friends and kids, you can spend all your life doing everything for free. No problem. But getting SOME (so could be lot of, could be nothing as well) $$ for working over "200-500-1000 hours" is ridiculous. I prefer working for free for some charity organization then for thousands rather reach people wanting to have as much as possible for free. Let's see how important for you is to have this clean ROM. How much can you pay? 1$? 5$? 10$? How much you can pay for my "200-500-1000 hours" of work? I'm 99% sure, that you don't want to pay anything. And I'm also 99% sure that you didn't do much in your life for free. So why the hell are you speaking about satisfaction and stuff like this?

You can ask some dev to make a clean ROM. It's all fine. As I said before - we're doing it for hobby etc. Actually my ROM is the ROM that I'm using so it's like I WANT, not like others WANT and anyway it's quite popular now. But definitely you can't expect from others to do some extra work just in the name of satisfaction and fake-popularity (will you recognize "LeeDroid" on the street? will you shake his hand? I don't think so).
[Desire HD General] Beamen1:
This is YOUR POINT OF VIEW. Maybe a ROM developer actually WANTS to make a CLEAN install with Sense? Maybe his passion is developing ROMS?

Look at FORUM ADMINS/MODS. They don't get payed ANYTHING for ALL the work they do because they think it's fun. This includes admins/mods on "exotic car boards" that do modding work for free instead of making THOUSANDS of dollars instead. They do it because they enjoy it.

Some people LOVE working on cars, some people HATE working on cars. The people that really LOVE working on cars will do work (very good work I might add) for free/close to nothing because that's what they like to do.

Just because you don't want to spend hours of your life making a CLEAN Rom doesn't mean other Devs don't want to.

You are certain I won't pay? How would you know? You know NOTHING about me.

I'll pay $30 for a CLEAN Rom with Sense - no problem. Now it's in writing. ;)
[Desire HD General] mike1986.:
You really don't see any difference between making a ROM from passion and making a ROM because someone told you to do a specific ROM? So the discussion is pointless.

I mentioned it almost in my every post that yes, it is my point of view.

If some dev will make a clean ROM because of passion (we have a lot of great devs here - Paul, Lee, Apache14, kamma, adwinp, robocik etc..) then he will be satisfied with any donations.

But if you want someone to make Clean ROM FOR YOU then you can take this 30$ and... you know what :)

This is the difference I'm talking all the time.
[Desire HD General] Beamen1:
How is it pointless? Because YOU don't like the idea?

Someone told you to make a ROM? Why would anyone make a ROM if they didn't want to (unless that was their job, with an hourly pay)?

Maybe some Devs never though about making a CLEAN ROM with Sense until they saw this thread? Who knows.

Maybe some Dev wants to make the most popular ROM for Desire HD. By the looks of it he/she will have over 90% of all DHD users that are running custom ROMS :) Satisfying enough for someone to try it? Maybe ;)

Let's wait and find out :)

I NEVER said for the Devs to MAKE me one. If that was the case I would probably have to spend THOUSANDS of dollars for their time to make a clean ROM.

It's a poll. I would like to know what owners and Devs think. Maybe this is the next "step" to take in ROMS.
[Desire HD General] munkimatt:
Ignoring the very pointless argument going on above...

I voted for Clean. I personally hate the Sense stuff, I'm sat right now seeing what I can remove from the ROM to make it as light as possible.
[Desire HD General] mike1986.:
There is already non-sense clean ROM here. http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=844707

Not clean enough?
[Desire HD General] munkimatt:
The constant sync issue seems similar to one that occurred during the early days of Sense-less Desire ROMs, that used to cause huge battery drain. Unsure if it does the same here but constant sync is never a good thing, right?
[Desire HD General] mehmehmen:
+1 on this statement, i voted clean + sense because for me WHEN htc sort out the issues with sense.com it will be nice to know i can basically destroy the insides of my phone and make it unuseable to any fugger that might happen to find/steal it, without having a load of different apps made by third party that only do one part of sense.com per app. also the main thing for me wanting a dhd was the dolby mobile and srs functions, not sure if this is a valid point but from what i gather these settings can only be changed when using the stock sense music player that comes with the stock rom... The day Cyanogen was ported i rejoiced thinking yay finally i can completely control my phone only to discover that "computer says no" and i lose all my htc sense syncability as well as losing the function to choose the dolby settings or srs in the music player... That is why leedroid became rom of choice to me for now as it came with very little apps installed i did not want myself and i get all these functions still running the way they should

as for the two people arguing, you both sound like whiney annoying brats the way you are going on.. EVERYONE HAS AN OPINION, but i will remind you that EVERYONE ALSO HAS AN ARSEHOLE this does not mean i want to see every bloody arsehole of every bloody person just cos they think it looks pretty.......

A rom with nothing on except sense framework and some basic apps that obviously let the phone function fully is totally DESIREable

meh to anyone that wants to try and bash people for having an idea that someone doesnt agree with

meh to you
[Desire HD General] mike1986.:
I've searched PaY87's thread and haven't seen you or Beamen1 asking for new release with fixed issues. There is no ROM that will be perfect from it's first release like you want. Instead of making wishlists why don't you support PaY87 by asking all those questions in his thread and maybe even donating to his work?

Why don't you people make such a discussion on Microsoft forum, huh? "Windows 8 - what would you like to have included in the OS". What is the voting for? You think that CLEAN SENSE ROM will have 80% and in one moment all devs will listen to the majority and make such ROM's? You think that there is no developer thinking about clean sense ROM already? I know at least 2 are working on it.

You want clean sense rom? THEN WAIT UNTIL THERE WILL BE ONE AVAILABLE. We know that there is a need for such ROM's like in every device section. Desire HD is not different in this point.
[Desire HD General] Beamen1:
Like I SAID 3? times before. I'm going out and asking what members WANT from a ROM. The larger majority of the users have said they want a ROM to be an "OS" - as in CLEAN, NO APPS, with HTC Sense. No ROM at the moment is CLOSE to this. Hopefully the Devs like my idea, and do something about it after feedback from several users :)

I'm putting this idea out here, and wanting people to vote and discuss. You are obviously not doing it as you hate the idea. We know that, now move on.

If you want to discuss this further, please PM me. We have filled this forum with enough OT talk.
[Desire HD General] mike1986.:
WTF are u talking about? Your idea? Clean ROM's are your idea? Are you kidding me?

No, I don't hate the idea. Idea is good and it's known since long time to make clean ROMs. I just hate (no hate - I don't like is a better word) the way you express it.
[Desire General] dtst:
Hi, I was going to get a sim free Desire from Amazon but then heard about these random reboots which seem to be very common so I was wondering if there were any owners who have never experienced a random reboot, especially those who have had their Desires for a few months.

Also is overheating a common problem whether it results in a reboot or not?

And finally buying of Amazon.co.uk if there is a problem would I get a 2 year warranty and be able to contact HTC directly.

Thanks.
[Desire General] elburna:
That was the case with some older models (Anyways they repair it. You just get a new mainboard). Mine never had it (only when I flashed some crap ;) And I'm using this piece of hardware without any breaks ^^
[Desire General] adjei7:
Same with me. This is my second desire. The first suffered the reboots, but this one has been fine. Had it for a good few months now.
[Desire General] foxmeister:
Never had it on either of the two Desires I have.

Regards,

Dave
[Desire General] 3722:
Well the random reboot problem is a fact, but many people here don't have such a problem.

I am too, one of the "not unlucky" ones, and I had my desire since May and never got a reboot till now (and hope never). Mine is HT03.
[Desire General] TheGhost1233:
I also never had reboot or overheating problems.

Do remember that there always will be more post about problems than there will be about normally functioning Desires.
[Desire General] anko184:
Me neither and my desire is among those with the defected mainboards according to my serial number.
[Desire General] AndroHero:
ive had my desire since it came out and never had a random reboot
[Desire General] derhannes1983:
No reboot here, I got my Desire from Vodafone Germany. Never had any issues with any ROM I flashed, neither reboot nor heat issues.
[Desire General] NeoDriver:
I got my desire from O2 and had it unlocked, rooted and s-off'ed. I have flashed countless amounts of roms and the only time I have any problems is if I try to OC it above 1.113 Ghz. Its an awesome phone and I highly recommend it :)
[Desire General] Mesquire:
only experience random reboots since upgraded to froyo - probably due to software crash, usually in the morning when I first turn on the Bluetooth with the device running a Live Wallpaper
[Desire General] st0kes:
Never had a random reboot here apart from when I had done something dodgy in /system ... or overclocked to 1.3Ghz.
[Desire General] martijn_bakker:
I've never had a random reboot (yet) *knocks wood*

It's apparently an issue with a specific series of older motherboards that started to play up after a few months of normal use

My impression is that most users don't get this problem.. but some do and they're understandably upset and vocal

Anyway.. if you buy one now, you're likely to get a newer model with S-LCD and a newer motherboard that doesn't have this issue
[Desire General] Rew64:
Had mine since May never had a random reboot.
[Desire General] drew2d1:
Had it since June. No random reboot.
[Desire General] nickownzya:
No random reboots since august.
[Desire General] andQlimax:
never had...
[Desire General] dexteral:
never had a random reboot :)
[Desire General] executed_apt:
Yeah mine neither.got it may even unbranded her to get froyo and shes loving.maybe urself try changing the rom.or sell it and get a different desire
[Desire General] madman_cro:
well i overclocked mine from beginning (5 months) and had reboot only when i pushed it to 1300 mhz. i guess thats mine fault. now staying at 1150 and everything is fine
[Desire General] mm46:
Have mine since april and no random reboot :)
[Desire General] owziee:
No reboots here either yet (knock on wood)...

I'd guess the original Desire have sold over 3 million units and is still selling well, it's probably the best selling HTC device to date... If all HTC Desire units suffered from the random rebooting issues HTC would be in big trouble by now :)
[Desire General] mvjh01:
I've had my desire for about 7 months now and I have never had a random reboot.
[Desire General] :
I have flashed many roms, ocuv'd, s-offed and generally made the phone work hard for it's keep.

Not rebooted itself ever.
[Desire General] dtst:
Thanks guys, this has been somewhat reassuring.

Will it definatly come with a 2 year warranty if bought sim free off amazon?
[Desire General] rouvax:
NO random reboot for about 6 months only one reboot.

no overheating.
[Desire General] elmoono:
No random reboots since bought in June. No overheating - no problems at all :)
[Desire General] grazykid:
Never had any random reboots ;)
[Desire General] el93mon:
No random reboot at all.
[Desire General] flux:
always had random reboots so I sent it back. Now I'm happy not owner of htc crap. Next googlophone is manufactured by samsung and that's a sign.
[Desire General] elburna:
You don't want another HTC vs Samsung beef right? So watch your words... lots of happy HTC owners around here who give a damn about your "king of plastic" :rolleyes:
[Desire General] hb5:
I bought my Desire about 6 months ago and till now I did not experience even single reboot.
[Desire General] iL_FeD:
I've had my Desire for almost three or four months until now, rooted, tried lots of ROMS and always working like a charm, no brick, no reboot, no overheat, just perfect, wouldn't buy just now another diferent existent phone
[Desire General] Red John:
I bought this week from Best Buy, came with Froyo... no reboots so far.
[Desire General] interqd:
never had any problem of rebooting since i use miui rom....
[Desire General] madman_cro:
lol. samsung. cmon man "samsung". you call that phone?
[Desire General] eKeith:
Same here: came w/2.1 and installed 2.2 OTA, never had a random reboot...
[Desire General] flux:
my samsung? I don't have one and i'm not going to buy one. But google thinks that crappy samsung phone is better then your crappy htc. And how much your opinion costs compared to google's one? : )
[Desire General] Red John:
Dude... I'm coming from a Galaxy S. That phone is utter garbage. Usable only to show your friends the beauty of super AMOLED, but useless as a mobile device.
[Desire General] flux:
dude why don't you tell this to google? Go help them to avoid this strategic mistake :)
[Desire General] 3722:
Please stop with this nonsense, buy what you want, but don't tell other people that their devices are inferior to other without no clear arguments, it never leads to any good.

Also, don't forget that a corporation like google, doesn't necessarily put a better quality build phone on the first place, it may just be that samsung is the maker of the next nexus, because of better terms of contract for google (i.e. more profit).
[Desire General] flux:
please stop implying. I never said that samsung is better, google did. My point is that htc devices is nothing but crap. I know it hurts your feelings but believe me I owned one and have enough arguments against it.
[Desire General] samsanchez88:
yeh yeah, always the same, let's stop this childish bickering, i love, i hate, this is better, this is worse, mines fine, mines rubbish, not good, great, bla, bla ,bla. If you want to talk about this, open another thread! This one is about random reboots, not Samsung vs HTC!

Back on topic; sim free Desire since it came out, never had a random reboot!
[Desire General] elburna:
Errr yes and i owned 5 and therefore have "some" more arguments FOR it... :rolleyes:
[Desire General] mcgon1979:
never had a reboot. bought sim free in UK upon launch. still going very well today. never rebooted,
[Desire General] hankhandsome:
In the last 3 days, i've had this problem pretty bad - tonight the phone rebooted itself 4 times in 90 minutes. Three of those reboots occured inside a 30 minute period.

Will probably have to flash it back to the stock rom before i send it off for repair, or take it back to the shop though.

I need to find out what the current unrooted, stock orange uk settings are first though.
[Desire General] anotherdroid:
never.....
[Desire General] xtcislove:
Random Reboots are related to the Kernel /Rom you use! In Experimental Buils like CyanogenMOd or Defrost Randoom Reboots are there. On ROM´s like Miui or The Official One there are none at least for me! (Desire Owner since Day 0)
[Desire General] flux:
right, and I'm sure you'll continue to exchange them until your guaranty is out : )
[Desire General] elburna:
Not sure what you mean, but yes I usually buy a new phone after 1-1,5 years. Don't know anybody who keeps a smartphone longer than 2 years :D
[Desire General] flux:
ah, I thought you owned 5 desires and because of the superior htc manufacturing quality you had to exchange them constantly : ) Wouldn't surprise anyone would it?
[Desire General] alstieve:
Reboot only if heavy use

I have a HTC Desire for 7 months and I got a first random reboot one month ago (HT03 serial). My smartphone is now at a repair center.

Default configuration (no extra software and original rom) does not help. At normal use (game, light surf) the device never reboots.

Car charger + screen on + 3G or wifi + intensive browsing (e.g. video into the default browser) the smartphone becomes warm and a reboot occurs. If I play again intensively I got a random reboot within a few minutes. Same thing into a car with GPS (no wifi, no 3G): reboot within 30 minutes.

It is a temperature issue and it seems it becomes worst with time.
[Desire General] MichelN:
I only get a reboot when my intern storage is full....otherwise none. :cool:
[Desire General] hankhandsome:
My phone sat on the arm of the couch last night for an hour in a cold flat and rebooted itself 3 times with zero use so with respect, it's not a temperature issue.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dazxda:
[Resolved] [Q] reboots during nav & return to factory state for repair - how do i ?

Android version 2.2

Baseband 32.47.00.32U_5.10.05.23

Kernel 2.6.32.15-gf5a401c

Build 2.29.405.2 CL263770 release-keys

Software: DJ Droid v1.8 (but also tried latest MoDaco, Pinky, CM6 and LeeDroid)

Browser: WebKit 3.1

HBOOT 0.93.0001

BRAVO PVT3 SHIP S-OFF

MICROP-051d

TOUCH PANEL-SYNW0101

Clockwork Recovery v2.5.0.7

Phone reboots after 20-30 minutes of navigation with GPS (either in car charge or out walking no charge).

Tried several latest HTC Desire ROMS - still reboots. Battery end is very hot.

Contacted HTC and they may need the phone.

How do I reset and reinstate the phone to complete as-shipped factory condition. The phone is on Orange but not branded so I assume a stock HTC ROM? Orginally came with 2.1 and I updated OTA to 2.2. After that I learnt some more and rooted, hacked, unprotected(S-OFF) and all sorts. Now I cant remember what I've done and thus what to reverse.

Thanks in advance guys.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dazxda:
Closing this thread.

As I'm learning more, I have posted more detailed specific questions on the forum.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Moricon:
Hi

I was wondering if there was a way to remove some of the bloatware on a non rooted phone. With all of the issues I have read trying to root a 3.30 phone (I have hdwr 003 and software 3.30.651.3) is a pain in the butt and as much as I would like wifi tether I just don't feel comfortable doing it yet.

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] m4rk0358:
There is no way unless you're rooted.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dkdude36:
impossible. rooting is not very hard. if you have a mac, i am STILL looking for beta testers for my 3 command full root kit.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Simpfan:
I have don't hspl my device because it works without. But my android can't notice I insert my charger. Why? When the phone is going to low battery I have to insert my charger, but nothing happens. I have now tried to hard spl with hardspl 3, but got error, I have figured out I have spl-3.03.0000xe on my device, it have been updated from service I had in to in about a month ago. How can I hard spl my phone? Hard SPL 3 only support versions under 3. please help. What are the latest and best working android out here now I can use in my htc hd2?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dubbingt:
Install an older official version of the HD2 rom. It should rewrite the SPL to an older version then you will be able to install HSPL. Does the charger work in WM? Have you tried different android builds?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Simpfan:
I have now installed older rom, but can't install hard spl3. I got always the usb connect error message. I know the cable work because it works in windows, but lost the connection in the hard spl software. please help. I have triide to run it as administrator but not worked.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ridikolous:
Did u install old Rom with the SD card method or usb?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Simpfan:
via usb cable
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Simpfan:
It works now perfectly. I figuret out I must have the phone in the modus you get when you push down volume down button when it starts.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] hsnmz:
I am planning to buy a HD2 just to run android on it. I have the option to buy TMob HD2 (bigger RAM and ROM) and the HTC HD2 (smaller RAM and ROM).

Am sure that almost all the Android ROMs work on both phones. I just want to know, which of these runs android better?

I really like Desire HD but its currently very expensive here (~US$ 710) and I don't want to spend that much. whereas HD2 (both Tmob and HTC) is available for ~US$ 435. So am thinking of buying HD2.