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[Windows Phone 7 General] dez93_2000:
I'm 100% on the fence at the moment. I've got to bring my HD7 back to the O2 shop tomorrow night to get it replaced because it won't turn on (bad batch of SD cards according to some on the web) then i get the rest of the 14 days to make my mind up. Subsequently i've had to go back to my HD1 with months-old energy Rom which it struggles to run, and my thoughts have been:

"The breezy interface, simple graphical UI and uprated hardware of HD7+WP7 are REALLY great, but the lack of certain features is potentially a deal breaker"

Having to use Zune (as a linux user this means booting into windows or installing a virtualbox) is a major pain compared to how easy it is to drag&drop into 6.5.

Ditto not being able to put pdfs/other files onto the phone without dropbox via net browser.

Ditto things like not being able to set my own custom ringtones - what is this, 1998?!

I can live without Swype, and Skype, and having to use IE without a back button, and bing maps with seemingly no ability to copy across my gmaps starred locations, and the inability to copy everything across using MyPhone. But should i have to, since i'm paying a big chunk of money for the privilege?

I'm surprised and disappointed that MS has spent so long on this OS - and done a pretty awesome job in so many areas - only to seriously drop the ball in excluding key features which made 6.5 (especially with XDA dev ROMs) able to compete with iOS/android. Why not release it a little later, with these things enabled? As a user, and windows fan (again, despite running linux as primary at home, thereby losing the potential compatibility advantage), why am i put in a position where i have to gamble that MS fixes the gaping holes in WP7 as soon as poss in 2011, and in the meantime run a relatively feature-crippled phone with an (understandably) threadbare marketplace?

Opportunity for unproductive snippy comment: "why don't you stop whining and get an iphone/android phone then?"

Potentially valid. Answer: no to iphone because of being one of the masses, lifelong anti-appleness, and no way i'm being tied into itunes. But since WP7 ties me into zune (for now, ish), and i'm a linux user, why not go with Android? The marketplace is comparable to apple's, the handsets compete with the best, and some opinion pieces i've read reckon android will overtake iphone. Newer, wp7-tested opinion pieces reckon WP7 will end up on top.

Anyone else in the same quandry? I'm wondering whether it'd be best to give the phone back, go back to HD1 until MS ships WP7.1 and then see how it - and the hopefully 2nd gen handsets which are then available - compares to the latest android build and the handsets available on that.

With apologies for the length of this musing, i'd be grateful to hear people's opinions on the future of WP7 as pertains to competition with android, handset battles, and OS improvements.

Cheers in advance!!
[Windows Phone 7 General] f1restarter:
I agree with the OP and no I don't want the WP7 to become anything like the WM 6.5. Personally I don't even care for the multi-tasking but I know a lot of people want it so I would hope that MS does it in a way that doesn't hamper the speed and smoothness of the WP7 UI as in smart multi-tasking and not like my previous android which always had multiple apps in the background.
[Windows Phone 7 General] bmazloum:
Everything everyone has said is pretty much right on.

I think a multi-tasking solution but only for privileged programs would be ideal. I'm sure there are programs that don't need to be run in the background, at all. Include a bit of info on the program download page that this will keep running in the bg until you actually click "... | Exit"

Fix the marketplace purchasing system. I hate how music+video is MS points, but Apps+Games must be purchased through a credit card. I like points since I can limit myself. Every month buy x amount of points. If I spend them, I spend them. If not, I'll have more for the following month. It's a lot easier.

File Transfer. I don't care about music, I don't care about video. Zune integration is fine, it ensures that all your media will run properly, and look its best (converting). But to get your office/pdf files over there? Seriously. I have to open my brower, type the URL, login, and then browse to the file to upload. Then when I want it on my phone, go and do the same thing?! They need to have a file transfer for two things. For putting files on the phone and having it read them. And another for moving files as a mass storage device. I sometimes don't finish stuff at work and bring them home on my phone, and then back the next day.

Remote Desktop app. They can seriously do this, I don't know what's holding them back.

Smart DJ. Is it me, or does it not exist? What's the point of ZunePass?

Bluetooth file transfers would be cool. But I know that's impossible to ask for.

Games. Figure out how to stop us from quitting the game if we just touch the windows key. Make it so it has to be held down for 3 solid seconds to quit the game. I hate that!
[Windows Phone 7 General] kapanak:
Honestly, I think the reason for WP7 being released "prematurely" as put by some, is entirely business oriented. They just wanted to get on the consumer's mindset BEFORE the year ends, and make some money along the way. In a perfect world, WP7 would have come out in Q2 2011 with all the missing features.

I am loving my Optimus 7 though...and the biggest missing features for me are multitasking or at least some degree of backgrounding, and USB mass storage/file manager access, although the latter can be solved to some degree with a simply registry hack on the computer it is connected to. Also, the fact that I cannot simply load up any word or excel file I want without a sharepoint account is pretty f--ing stupid. Same thing with pdfs...

I do not hate Zune, as some do, and I find it to be quite the fast little program, when compared to something like iTunes. I just wish Microsoft did not continuously ignore CANADA, and omit all the features from its services when it came to a Canadian Live Account ( I am too tied into my live account to make a new one with an American locale, I use it for my msdn account, zune, xbox live, hotmail, and dreamspark account, so switching is much less an option to me ).

Overall, I will stick with my phone until April/May, and if it hasn't drastically improved by then, I will be switching to something better, possibly.
[Windows Phone 7 General] smuook:
From the USA perspective, the launch of WP7 was done right before what is expected to be a huge holiday sales season. I just saw a news story today where they are expecting retails sales to be the best in many years. Black Friday is tomorrow and Cyber Monday is in a few days. It's competitors have nothing exciting going on now. Meanwhile, Microsoft launches Kinect and WP7, both integrated with their successful Xbox. If things go their way, this may go down as the season of Microsoft. I don't know if it will work, but I bought a WP7 phone and we are talking about getting Kinect for the kids :) . So yes, it was a business move, and probably a good one, to launch WP7 when they did. No, it doesn't have all the features we would like... but with over 1 billion USD estimated marketing campaign in launching Kinect and WP7, Microsoft is in deep. There is now way they will let it fail. They can't. I have seen more advertising from the them recently than I can ever remember. We will get some form of cut & past, turn by turn nav, multitasking, etc... and probably new things that you haven't thought of. It is all coming soon.
[Windows Phone 7 General] AceofSpades25:
I feel the same way... I would rather have an Android, but I love developing for WP7. Fortunately, I will be getting a WP7 device through work, so the decision is out of my hands. The only thing I can do now is to keep on at Microsoft about removing the restrictions on the platform.
[Windows Phone 7 General] arturobandini:
I fully subscribe to the points above.

I hate to be tied to a PC and to Zune. It has always been the reason I avoided the iPhone... And now it seems it's coming to WP7 :( I think it's the wrong way.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ratchetjaw:
Great points. Definitely with the gaming. Some type of suspended gaming answer text then back to gaming.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rob_p:
Couldn't agree more with the comments. I love tech (I'm sure everyone on here does!), and Android was great for a while - something a little different, very customisable etc...but I love the simplicity of WP7, it has focus, and that focus is the user.

Of course there is plenty they could and should add, but this is V1 and I think we forget that too often. For an OS just out the door, it's fantastically polished, and as long as they stick to their promise to provide regular updates, and even more importantly, make sure that they only enhance the phone and don't start to break features or affect performance, then they have a real winner on their hands.
[Windows Phone 7 General] yly3:
Exactly ! People somehow got used to think that if it's not iPhone like fame then a certain device is not succesfull. Being so much money in this even if they like it or not they will have to make it better and better (not that for me is bad in any way). I had have mine for a while already and I didn't think for 1 second going back to other OS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] smuook:
If there is one universal truth I've learned while being on this planet, it's that if you want to know what a company values, follow the money:

Even if it doesn't start off great (let's be honest... they have an uphill battle), you can rest assured that WP7 will get a lot of support and will see vast improvements. It will not suffer the same fate as the Kin.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
I agree with everything you said. Zune has worked flawlessly for my multimedia content (podcasts, tv shows in .avi and xvid files, and music).

Smart DJ is not there yet for wp7, though you can stream music from the marketplace. Definitely needs to be added.

I think if they can open up skydrive for all office docs, not just onenote, then between zune and skydrive, all your syncing will be taken care of.

I think suspend state for apps is the next logical step. Also, though I like the capacitive buttons, they should be disabled during game play. If you need to respond to a text, then you click on the notification, or if you need to answer a call, you should be able to do that, then jump right back into the game.

Mass storage isn't as important to me. I realized that almost all my mass storage was used for tweaks, themes, and cabs for my phone. Not necessary anymore. I have a handful of thumbdrives if I need to carry something.

Not sure why everyone says this is a beta release that shouldn't have happened. No software will ever have everything for everyone. IOS just got multitasking on its 4th version. Beta implies that a software is buggy and I've yet to lockup my phone.

I have to agree that zune is a great program, much more user friendly than itunes I've used for my daughter's ipod touch.

I also agree that microsoft needs to open up all features for all countries that sell wp7 devices.

Couldn't agree more.
[Windows Phone 7 General] stew561:
I'm not a developer but just an end user and I have to say I love WM7 look and feel. I'm an iphone user and I must say that I hate only having one phone each year to choose from. I want a bigger screen, HDMI out, flash support, keyboard, etc. and I can't get it with my iPhone. The problem that I have with andriod after buying then returnig the Driod X is that Andriod interfaces is different on almost every phone. IT people don't want to support different flavors of an O/S. It also dosen't look clean and polish and comes accross as a "linux" community phone in a messy sort of way. I think WM7 has a great shot to grab a huge market share if it keeps it interface consistent like the iphone does, but allows for a greater selection as andriod allows. Oh, and the talk about the need for SDMicro storage; It's really is not important for 99% of the users. With that being said, I a think memory capacity will be less of an issue as people stop keeping there files, music, pictures and videos on the phone and move towards cloud computing.
[Windows Phone 7 General] legoszm:
Integration

Other than address missing feature concerns, I think MS should focus APIs and interfaces allowing for more integration with the core phone experience.

For example:

- An open API to allow any social network to supply some sort of 'configuration' for a user to download to their phone to integrate. the 'coniguration' item could be handled through the marketplace to help ensure quality. This would mean any social network could be integrated into a users experience without MS having to do anything. Think Twitter, MySpace, or anything for that matter.

- Same as above but related to cloud storage. Allow a user to use any back end to upload docs, photos & other media/files. APIs like this would allow home developers & hacks to use their own 'cloud' (think dynamic DNS & a simple window service as one possibility)

No other platform is doing this (to my knowledge). Yes there are apps out there, but nothing that ties directly into the phone experience at its core (without being specifically coded into the core OS).

Additionally, more leadership from Microsoft in terms of application design and capability. For example, build a proper IM client. Use the various types of push notifications to provide the illusion of a background IM app without the need to have it running in the background. The point here is show developers what is possible and give them something to aspire to.

Continued optimsations regarding batter life would push the platform forward too.

Just my 2 cents worth. Happy Friday everybody.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tlyonstlyons:
I've waited about a year with a worn out Touch Pro while there were very few Winmo choices, in fact only the Touch Pro 2, to replace it with. After reading through XDA, I can't but conclude WP7 isn't gonna cut it for me.

I'm not giving kudos for the icons, smooth operation, logical structure. Any modern OS should do that or be kicked to the curb. No multi-tasking, no turn-by-turn, no cut and paste, no Adobe flash, no thethering, no mass storage mode, no integration with Outlook, etc. Yet it's as locked down as MS can make it. This is *not* a tool for any serious purpose that I can see.

I'm sure they'll have fart apps as good as the iPhone had a year or two go but if I can't sync Outlook cleanly and easily, this is a non-starter.
[Windows Phone 7 General] adesonic:
Well, you'd best not buy one then!
[Windows Phone 7 General] adesonic:
100% agree. For me, my wp7 phone works well, I carry about 4 gig of music around which I stream to my car hifi via Bluetooth, sync all my email, contacts and calendars, notes via one note on the cloud. I like the clean interface and do not want to spend my time installing new roms to get my phone how I like it. I am waiting for only two things, more skydrive integration in the office hub and kindle!
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
That is because fragmentation is messy and that's exactly the same issues Linux is dealing with on the desktop.

Symbian was fragmented as hell too, and they have very good marketshare (worldwide, at least).

That doesn't make it the best thing ever.

Manufacturers use Android because it's cheap, not necessarily because it's "best."

The interface fragmentation is actually something most people can deal with. It's the hardware and smartphone capabilities fragmentation that is most disgusting. Buying a brand new smartphone for $450+ and then finding out it will never get an update to a version of Android that had features you want and/or need just turns people off.

Also, the Android community as a whole does reming me of the general F/OSS Linux fanatic crowd on /. Indeed, the two actually share many members.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
To be perfectly honest and fair. WP7 will never capture the same market share as Symbian or Android. Why? Android and Symbian both have a ton of cheap and crappy devices.

Cheap devices outsell premium devices many times over.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
Why not? WP7 has a minimum spec which is fairly high right now, but I wouldn't be surprised to see that fall into the realm of low-mid tier phones in a year or so.
[Windows Phone 7 General] justinxtreme:
I think Windows Phone 7 owners bought it for its eyecandy :) If you're looking for functionality buy an Android or iPhone. They're great phones too.

The developers aren't rushing anything yet, they don't wanna release an unfinished feature especially considering how multi-tasking will work in 7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] hktrashbin:
My first WP7 experience was BAD...

I used WM6.1 and WM6.5 before. They could let me watch the rtsp streaming video (very common in Hong Kong). But my HTC HD7 could not let me do that...it said format not support or showing unknown address error messages. I loss one very important feature I used to have....so I sold it after the first week I bought it....:(
[Windows Phone 7 General] CSMR:
WP7 has some interesting features. However, you have to nail the basics.

The application framework is most interesting. Of course, it's been in development for many years, .NET then silverlight. When Windows 8 comes, we may have an application distribution framework that can span Windows 8 desktops, laptops, and tablets, limited ipad-like tablets, and smartphones. Future-proofing built in, since these apps will run on future versions of whatever framework they run on.

Who has the best communications? Businesses. They have Microsoft exchange, unified communications, VOIP. The ones they don't, will have soon. Windows Mobile supported a decent subset of this. WP7 took a step back. So, it needs to catch up in communications. Once it's caught up, it can support the new approaches to communications that Microsoft is developing, e.g. Lync unified communications.

The consumer market will remain behind. Hopefully business features can be picked up by ordinary people that care about this. E.g. via SIP integration.

Microsoft will be innovative if it targets businesses again. They are the customers demanding advanced systems.

You have innovation too in the consumer world, e.g. social networking, which is very important but short on quality. And it's disconnected from standard forms of communication like phone, email, videoconferencing, instant messaging, since it operates in closed walls. That will only change if there are standards to break down the walls.
[Windows Phone 7 General] madmax85812:
hey guys...check these out...the future eh... looks like microsoft is finally opening up ;)

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=951292

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=951285
[Desire HD General] Trifidw:
Hello.

I've noticed recently that the Calendar application is using a lot of battery on my DHD, if I've not used my phone much since unplugging it, the Calendar claims to have used up to 50% of the battery. On normal usage it uses a similar amount as the display. I am running Leedroid 1.2 (did the same thing in 1.0) and have tried clearing the cache, unchecking the weather feature and removing the facebook calendar (I now have 1 gmail account calendar, 1 subscribed calendar and public holidays listed). I have done several restarts and it is always the same.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v513/Trifid/mobile/snap20101123_123207-1.png

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v513/Trifid/mobile/snap20101123_123216.png

Does anyone have any ideas of how to resolve this? My next step would be to do a full wipe and reflash of the ROM but I would rather not get that far...

Thanks.
[Desire HD General] jambamkin:
I have the same issue, had it on the normal OTA and now on leedroid too. I use multiple Google calendars and have Facebook and twitter sync running. It does seem to spend a lot of time synching.

Just looked at accounts and syncing and it does seem to be Google calendar that is constantly syncing.
[Desire HD General] vansmuk:
In many different forums the same issue appears all the time. Many people resolved it by limiting their homescreen widgets that make use of calendar in some way. Sometimes even more than one make the calendar go berserk and chopchop ur power like a hungry chinese - a bowl of rice ;)
[Desire HD General] Trifidw:
I don't have a calendar widget. I do have the Facebook and twitter on my home screens (was about the time I started using these that I noticed it actually.)
[Desire HD General] Trifidw:
Well it is still present after removing the Facebook and Twitter widgets (and after a restart for good measure). Maybe it is Launcher Pro?
[Optimus One, P500, V General] raylgo:
I sent my phone in for repairs since it wouldnt boot anymore (the product of a botched KDZ update by me). LG managed to fix it and its been working fine until I got home and found that USB debugging and USB mounting has disappeared... o_0 I couldnt find the little android icons on the notification bar when I connect it to any computer. The LG PC suite couldnt find the phone. and even though I have USB debugging or Mass Storage only set to on, I cant find the icons or the options that normally were there at the notification bar...

On a sidenote: The error "The application LGMITS Service (process com.lge.lgmits) has stopped unexpectedly. Please try again." pops up once in a while... I dont even know what application that is... I havent opened anything like that. o_0

Is this LG's way of telling me that I shouldnt mess with my phone anymore? I was planning to install the JIT enabler and custom recovery at least and then install apps to my sd.

Or is something still wrong with my phone? I'm going to call them up tomorrow to ask about this but I would like to ask the community's opnion too...
[Optimus One, P500, V General] The_ERROR:
I haven't english on my phone so, maybe I give you not exactly valid information and may be this menu disappeared as well.

So go to home desktop, press menu button, go to application --> developemnt --> USB Debbuging. Is there this menu?
[Optimus One, P500, V General] yohannlyc:
The LGMITS force close was a bug in firmware version 10a for some Optimus One users. Upgrade to 10c removed the problem.

Correct me if I am wrong...

You seem to mean the PC cannot detect your phone.

So you dont see the debugging or usb connected icon on your phone notifications.

But you activated them in Settings. So the options are there but it just doesn't work?

Was at least an unknown usb device detected by the PC?

Firstly, though unlikely might want to check if its the usb cable itself the problem.

Connect the cable from PC to another phone...see if it detects a connection

or try a spare cable if you have one with your Optimus One and PC

If cable is not the problem,

and there is totally no detection of usb connection on PC and phone, you might want to check with LG...
[Optimus One, P500, V General] raylgo:
USB Debugging is set to on... That part I know how to do but I remember when I set USB debugging and Mass Storage on, there will be 2 icons on the notification bar when you plug them in to a computer (regardless if PC or mac). An Android icon which looks like it has spider limbs and I forgot what the other one was... And in order to set them on or off, you just had to drag the notification bar down and click Mass Storage. That brings you to a screen where the Android mascot has a USB cable for an arm... I dont see these icons anymore.

The PC saw a USB device when I plugged it in... And it even said something about an LG device. But I still cant access the SD card from my PC or Mac without Mass Storage on... I dont have another phone that can use the data cable but the phone charges with it on the PC/Mac/ wall charger.

also: I looked into the internal menu and it says I have SW Version Info: LG-P500-V10b. Not 10a... and how do I upgrade this if my phone is inaccessible? =c Even the PC suite says that the device isnt responding...