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[HD7 General] alabij:
I have a feeling that no matter how I repeat myself my words will still get twisted. I don't recall ever stating that I wasn't aware that numerous features would be missing from WP7 on release. Nor do I recall dismissing them. I am simply stating a criticism of the current OS from an urban masses perspective.

You are looking at WP7 from your perspective of understanding. Remember your view make sense to you and me and probably every other geek or tech inclined person out there. However MS is in the business of making money not satisfying the tech fetishes of geeks.

Let me simplify my point. if you took your grandma to an ATT store. What phone do you think the store rep would sell her and why if she had an option between a WP7 and an iPhone. Take a moment before you reply and note I said "store rep"?
[HD7 General] MartyLK:
Here is what I responded to. You say (the red words). I say it has everything to do with these "nay-sayers". They are in-the-know and are complaining that WP7 is crap because of it's lack of features. If they are in-the-know, they knew it would lack these features. They are in fact treating WP7 as if it is all it will ever be. The fact that they are in-the-know and no doubt knew about its lack of features at launch means they are opposed to WP7 no matter what. They are the ones who will be even more vocal in opposition to WP7 now that the public knows there is a huge update planned.

The nay-sayers aren't fair-minded common users. They are the opposition to WP7.
[HD7 General] alabij:
Dont you feel (if not agree); that it's these flood of people that are forcing MS to release this update of missing features in early 2011. Meaning that if you keep saying something is perfect then how will the manufacturer know. Why do you think every store, website, business aske for surveys.

Without the so called Apple "nay sayers" complaining about copy/paste it would have never happened. Now ask yourself. How many people do you know who use an iPhone use copy/paste?
[HD7 General] MartyLK:
I understand what you are saying but I disagree with you in intent of purpose. Nay-saying from general, user, public is what will drive the OS to loftier heights, if MS does in fact listen to them. I'm not fully certain of that. I think of MS as doing their own thing, to their own drumbeat rather than catering to the public. The nay-sayers you are referring to are an obstacle to survival because they are -in-the-know and the general public listens to them. They will not ever like WP7 because they oppose it, no matter what. They will twist everything they can to destroy it before it's up and running.
[HD7 General] PaullikesWINMO:
People... people... people... Microsoft rushed this phone to market. They new exactly what they were doing. They wanted to capture a piece of the Christmas shopping pie. And we jumped in because we are sick of Apple and their iPhone. I mean really a battery that you can't replace???? Get with it Apple !!!! I digress... As I stated in a previous thread Microsoft will do what Apple did and in half the time. In fact it wouldn't surprise me at all if it surpasses iPhone in less than a year. I mean why oh why did Microsoft come out with a totally new Phone OS ? Because they know the current platforms will not support future funtionality and cloud services. They sank millions into this and they are not going to play second fiddle to Apple or Google in this space. So did we buy our WP7 phones for what it can do? No.... we bought it because of what it will be able to do. Yes it is lacking some defacto funtionality (copy/paste) but would you have rather spent your money and upgraded to iPhone4 and have a nice paper weight in 6 months? Yes there will be nay sayers. Heck I even say iPhone still sucks despite their advances. :-) And if you think iPhone is so great, talk to me when you can swap the battery in 20 seconds or less. So bring on the the releases Microsoft and make us smile ! We know you have done the market research and we know you are going to bring great things to this platform.
[HD7 General] Hormazdd:
I am a big MS fan and waited very patiently for WP7. I must say I was rather underwhelmed with the initial release and cannot wait for numerous updates that will bring it atleast on par with the functionality in W6.5

Exchange-

No settings to decide how you want the phone to behave after a delete

No hierachial folder list

NO ability to search your mailbox.

Cannot select all to mass act on criteria

No ability to custmize font, color in emails. most new androids do this

People Search

Cannot search people by file as field or company.

Other issues

Wifi Mac address hidden

No Flash. Atleast recognize a you tube URL and send us to m.youtube.com

No Bluetooth settings (cannot change behavior of phone when paired) ie voice commands dont work.

Phone menu doesnt separate missed, incoming and outgoing calls.

Cannot forward a txt message

No Wifi router

No Remote desktop

No Swype keyboard

All of the above are painful ommisions for me. if the hardware on my Imagio wasnt so damn slow I would be back using it.
[HD7 General] PaullikesWINMO:
for search .... in the program you are in, mail, music, phone, click on the bottom right hand search symbol (last one on right). Type what you are searching. If there is a match it will find it quickly... yes some of the other features are not there yet (release coming soon). Not sure by the last one? No Swype ?
[HD7 General] trecoll:
It does. Provided you have either first visited m.youtube.com and downloaded the app. Or visited the marketplace and downloaded the youtube app from there.
[HD7 General] LuRock:
Nice news thanks for sharing. Hope a camera quality improvement comes with that update :)
[HD7 General] homer.web:
That would be the miracle, if you by the SW update upgrade the HW :D. As a photographer I can tell you what is most important on every camera and what is wrong with this one: the lens - and it cannot be upgraded or corrected by the SW.
[HD7 General] wheresmybeaver:
Does the lens cause the photographs to be quite dark?

Compared to my old Touch Diamond 2, the HD7 takes quite poor outdoor photos ie if there's a bright source of light in a photo, eg the sun, then the rest of the photo is incredibly dark. I'm having to improve it in software afterwards. Could a SW update not fix this?
[HD7 General] tai4de2:
IMO the HD7 camera experience compares poorly to the HD2's. Because the HD2 and HD7 are similar hardware, it's reasonable to assume that the HD7's poor camera perf is at least partially a software issue.
[HD7 General] Hormazdd:
It doesnt. I have the youtube app. If I receive an email with link to youtube video, it will tell me I need to download flash. I have to manually change the url in the browser to take me to m.youtube.
[HD7 General] truffle1234:
friend whja tdiffernce will it make is its hard reset or not.. WP7 is runing omn cloud computing whatever numbers/contacts u have are on WIndows live or exchange server... all the apps u installed will be re installed as soon as you sync..
[HD7 General] Dade49:
Ok, so am I the only person who almost threw my HD7 across the room when I couldn't set my custom ringtone? Every other phone on the planet can do this. Am I the only person who was SHOCKED when I couldn't sort email by conversation? Really?!? MS created conversation threads with Outlook 2010, updated Exchange 2010 for better push email support, released Lync and they even have a Mac version of Lync. And I can't get a mobile version, on a platform they developed? Or any other IM client? (Not a 3rd party client, one released by MS.)

I've used Microsoft products since DOS, and I dislike Apple's proprietary overpriced devices. I don't own an iAnything. Yes; MS wanted to capture the Xmas sales. Yes; the update will be awesome. Yes; they shipped it too early.

People can say what they want, but WP7 is more like a 0.5 release. It works, but doesn't do much. I really like the Facebook integration, linking Exchange email contacts with Yahoo! and Live, and Xbox. But if this update is not spectacular, the market will be pissed. Windows 7 has such positive feedback right now, that this update MUST compare with it. We all remember the dreaded product that started with a 'V'. I hope MS is listening and has learned something.

Oh, and for the record, I really DO think they listen. Why else do they have the Customer Feedback Tool, and continue to do lots of market research. They understand their customers. Check out Kinect.
[HD7 General] Dade49:
Check it out: wpcentral.com/chevronwp7-custom-ringtone-manager-released
[HD7 General] homer.web:
The problem is, that if you dont have good output (enough information) from lens, than everything else is only lost battle trying to correct primary bad data.
[HD7 General] nrfitchett4:
The masses don't care about what is currently missing, except maybe custom ringtones. They don't care that their phone doesn't multitask as long as music plays in the background.

They don't care if there is a file explorer or mass storage. It confuses them. They don't care about sd cards as long as they don't run out of storage. The iphone has proven that the masses only care that the phone is easy to use and has lots of little apps.

open IE, click on the 3 dots, go to settings/ Website preference, mobile version. It will change youtube for you.
[HD7 General] homer.web:
Agree - the masses want to make a phone calls and be abble use the phone without need to take programing classes. I think, that the way Microsoft took with the WP7 is right. I cant imagine, why my mother would miss multitasking or copy/paste. And frankly, I had HTC Diamond with build in 4GB storage and never filled it up. The same situation was with my HTC Diamond 2 and HTC HD2, where I had 8GB and it was almost empty. The biggest size on the storage took my TomTom or CoPilot files. And to those, who want to carry all mp3 files with them to listen I can say: its useless. I have all my mp3 files (50 GB) on my iPod in the car, and usually listen to the fraction of them. ;)
[HD7 General] rysky007:
Multi tasking is huge, no matter what you say, in todays world for a device in a market were everything is multi tasking, to produce a device that does not is just dumb, im sorry but just dumb.

Im in my car, got music streaming, waiting for wife to come out of store, need to sms her to see how much longer, i move over, the music stops, i send sms, then have to go back to menu, find the music streamer icon and relaunch it, reselect the station and then continue listening. 10 years ago.. yeah i can see that.. today.. a smart phone should have multi tasking.
[HD7 General] adesonic:
no, the music does not stop it carries on playing in the background
[HD7 General] rysky007:
really? what program are you using to stream it? and im not talking about songs on ur phone, im talking about streaming music online
[HD7 General] Jonno2343:
You can stream songs with a Zune Pass but, like you say, no other music applications can play in the background.
[HD7 General] homer.web:
Until you realize, that we are not the target group for the phone, you will be missing the point. There is majority users like my mother, who don't care about playing streaming music in the background while sending an sms, posting posts on FB, reading tweets and using Remote Desktop to configure my Exchange Server - in the same time, and just few of us who are damanding this features. Don't get me wrong, I am also that kind of the user, but I can easily live without tweeking my phone every second day, flashing new ROM, configuring everything from scratch to find myself stuck in situation, that I am not able answer call or that I don't know who calls me, because I did not synchronize my contacts yet.
[HD7 General] rysky007:
Remote Desktop and flashing roms is a bit extreme, yes that is not a must, but multi tasking should be. A person that just wants to make calls does not buy this phone they get simple cheaper phones, ppl that get smart phones expect multi tasking, thats the strength of a smart phone is to do all of those business and media features. As technology advances, there are standards that are expected on every unit, multi task, select all, ring profiles, multi email message viewing in one place vs having to go to home screen are just a few of what should be on to compete in the market.

If WM wanted to make a a phone for simple ppl to make phone calls they would of made big ass buttons and one function, make calls, looking at this OS, it was designed for teenagers who want to buy music and serf face book. I hate to keep pointing at this but just simply look at the color selection for home tiles. Those are colors my 13 year old cousin would use, not a 30 year old business man.
[HD7 General] rysky007:
Is there any way to get a full list of all updates that will be in the Jan update?
[HD7 General] nrfitchett4:
and it will be added, probably in the first update (music streaming in the background). right now, I am more than happy to use zune for my music needs and doubt I will go back to slacker or pandora. I just want smart dj added to the device.
[HD7 General] homer.web:
Don't think so. Only guessing...
[HD7 General] homer.web:
I don't think, that this phone in this stage of WP7 is just abble to make a phone calls. But its the prime reason to have a phone to make a phone calls.

What I am saying is, that this phone will satisfy with the features it already has 95% of the users. The rest is maybe not so happy, but IT IS NOT THE TARGET GROUP. :):)

What average user will do?

Put the SIM in

Will choose language

Setup the Live, Facebook account

Setup additional email accounts

Synchronize music through Zune app

Download some stuff from market place (weather, games, music, navigation, utils like convertor, flashlight, hotels, cooking etc...)

START USING THE PHONE

Business user will just add one more step:

Setup Exchange account and synchronizes contacts, calendars, maybe SharePoint sites.

And by the way, I am 40 years old business man, and I like the colors... :D

Its just matter of taste. I like the simplicity of the UI and colors and I hate complexity of the iPhone, Android and WM UI and rainbow mixture of colors on their displays. But that is just me... :)
[HD7 General] sennywolf:
Cheers, my views too. and I am a 30 year old business man. love the interface compared to the boring apple and andriod boxes. I dun need so much boxes on a page that. I just want a standard few that i frequently access. If I want something else, i can go scroll for it. Love the Live tiles.
[HD7 General] lqaddict:
Maybe then a smartphone is not for such audience? They look at the phone with the price tag of $200+ and a feature phone with a price tag of $0. Both make calls, both do SMS, I don't need FB, and crap, and I can put $200 towards my savings, what do I pick?
[HD7 General] rysky007:
u like the color options? wonder what your wardrobe looks like.

I disagree, your avg user as you call them will not load email accounts and load market place, hell ive been using smart phones for a few years and this new market place took some figuring out how to find all of them, it takes some tying with, Market place on HD2 was simpler in my view.

A basic user, will make calls, email, fb, syncing is all for the more modern complex user.

As a business man, not being able to quick select all my emails and delete them is a pain. Ever phone I have ever held or touched had that feature.. why does this one not? cause thats not its main point, why does market place include songs and albums in the search? cause it was designed to be put out quick, get in for xmas shopping, and to capture the fb and I pay to dl music online market.
[HD7 General] Paul Nur:
Hands down exactly how I feel, to bad I couldn't of put it into words as well as you did, nicely said.

Sent from my HD7 using Board Express
[HD7 General] Lenas:
It doesn't really matter when you can get almost any phone these days for under $100 if you really want to through subsidies. I got my HD7 for $50 through Amazon. I can't really complain at that price.
[HD7 General] frontieruk:
Erm the average user expects email/facebook/twitter and a games market, go ask a tween if they'd own a phone without any of those features which you admit to at the end of your post.

As to emails, Googles gmail app on android doesn't have a select all option, neither does HTC's mail app, you have to manually pick multiple emails with a box the the left, kind of like on WP7 except you can see the box instead of it not appearing until you tap the left of the screen. Not sure if my E71 had that feature either... How many recent phones you had? Any not a BB or winmo6.5? To me it sounds like a BB is a better fit to your phone usage being geared to a business person rather than an average user who wants to call / text and faff on facebook which is what WP7 is geared for and is what MS said it would be until later in its life cycle.
[HD7 General] frontieruk:
must be different in your part of the world, as there are kids at highschool here with Iphone4s, DesireHDs and any other smartphone you'd care to think about well apart from winmo6.5... it wasn't for an average user.

A unified mailbox would be nice, but again does an average user have more than one email account? Do they want their work interrupting their facebook lives?

I'm sorry you're not happy with your phone, I'm fairly certain no one here has actually made out like WP7 is perfect, they've said what they like about it, to counter some of the negativity here, but there are things we would like changed, but most of us were ready for the wait for the changes we knew it wasn't a direct step from winmo6x .

We'd read up and were aware this was aiming at a more casual market, but doing enough with Office to perhaps tempt business (that and the fact ms make exchange).

Things I'd like to see added? Notification LED working for text and emails as well as missed calls.

That cool text notification across the top of the screen to support email subjects so you can triage them without having to unlock the phone... Incase you hadn't seen with the texts if you have multiple messages, a swipe right will show the next one on the lock screen. imagine it with email subjects as well... Heaven (though there seems to be a bug where it misses the first message atm)
[HD7 General] homer.web:
It seems to me, that you are very upset, that Microsoft does not make products the way you would like them to do. :D

But hey, you have freedom of choice. Feel free to sell your HD7 and buy HD2 or whatever you like... ;)

I can wait for the upcoming updates and easily live without copy and paste at all.

I am quitting this discussion, because everything I wanted to say I've already said. Have a nice Christmas.
[HD7 General] rysky007:
Im not upset at all, I am just shocked that ppl on a developers forum, who I assume are techies not only satisfied with this OS but will also defend it.. i expected more.

I have the HD2, only reason why I upgraded was the typing on HD2 was horrid, and even after update was not clean,

HD7 is a great hard ware piece, but OS not so much.

Here is what seems interesting... why dont we get a list of what will be in the update?

Were does MS get the feedback on what to add and fix?

DO they scan this forum? or do they have a dedicated one?

Copy and paste is one function I rarely use, other more needed ones that are missing, should of been on the phone already to just be equal with the market, yet alone advertise its self as something new and better.
[HD7 General] PaullikesWINMO:
In the words of Elvis... Thank you... Thank you very much !
[HD7 General] microhaxo:
here is where ms get's official feedback.

http://social.answers.microsoft.com...wered,mf:1a3a2f80-9a8c-47d7-afad-6464b2e70d8b
[HD7 General] nrfitchett4:
Then why didn't you instead of paying what you did for a phone that didn't meet your needs???

Why insult someone because they are happy with the colors on the phone. Really doesn't bother me one way or the other.

Marketplace on the hd2 was simpler because there was only about 200 apps in it, not 3k and rising. Of course you are too busy to look at all those apps since you were too busy to read even 1 review of wp7, so I suggest checking www.wpcentral.com once in a while since they review all the biggest apps you will probably need there.

This phone has true html email instead of having to press 2 times on the screen to scroll an email, it just scrolls. I'd much rather have that then an email box the swypes side to side between accts. I only check one acct on a regular basis anyways.

Lots of young people have smart phones. I'm pretty sure percentage wise, they outnumber senior citizens with smartphones. My 9 year old has an hd2 (so does the wife) and my buddy's kids both have smart phones. Why? because, almost any phone with keyboard, facebook, twitter capabilities requires a smartphone type data plan anyways. So why not a smartphone? got mine for 50.00 at walmart (the hd2's) and paid 100 bucks for the hd7 through t-mobile business.

Only a small percentage of xda users are real techies, probably less than you realize. Most are on here because their phone was broken out of the box and this is the best place to get the fixes you need to make the phone functional. I know I only started tweaking winmo because I had to and then it grew on me. But I don't miss doing it.
[HD7 General] saud__19:
+1

the only problem that i have is the lack of Arabic support. Also, i already know that WP7 is not officially relased in the Arabic countries, so i don't blane microsoft for that. According to me WP7 is perfect.
[HD7 General] alabij:
Nothing is perfect!
[HD7 General] gamefrick:
That would be much better than a reset, because no one wants to have to personalize everything again.

I hope they are thinking that through ;)
[HD7 General] bradecrain:
What you say is exactly true when it comes to a programmers point of view. There OS's platform is highly configurable and to add features will be as simple as making the decision to do it. My biggest concern right now is really the multi-tasking as it might take some bigger changes to impliment that. In order to use IM services we need this. So far I like WP7 but the HD7 I just got seems to be faulty as it runs rediculous HOT and battery drain in standby is 6 hours tops.
[HD7 General] PaullikesWINMO:
And here is a blog that not so surprisingly supports what I said earlier about what will be possible on this platform. Buy an iPhone and it will be a paper weight very quickly.

here's the link and then scroll way down to the posting by Bill Spaulding...

http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/archives/231090.asp
[HD7 General] homer.web:
I do not think, that the iPnohe would be an expensive paper weight, but I think (and wish) that it push all of them forward to improve their products and services, which will be the win situation for all end users independently on the platform they are using. An example you can see here with the WP7. Without preasure from Apple and Google there wouldn't be new fresh OS with lots of iprovements and services included. I would say that it was not evolution but revolution from WM 6.5 to WP7 forced by competition...
[HD7 General] Jim Coleman:
Not even Allah? ;)

Actually my **** is pretty damn perfect. :cool:
[HD7 General] alodar1:
I'm agreeing with you here. All the great ones we've seen in the last few years have had its share of naysayers. iPhone v1 was an ok phone. It had people that heralded it as the 2nd coming...and others as the evil empire. Android was in the same boat.

I've had the iPhone(vq), Nexus 1 as well as the HD2 and now the HD7. It's a servicable phone and I enjoy it. It does not make me do strange things to get my mail or contacts or pictures or the internet. But it also does not do my laundry or wash my car.

I did not buy the phone on what it could do in January. I bought it because the way it is now, its acceptable. I do expect MS to make acceptable updates in the coming months, to fill in feature gaps and major bugs. I have this same expectation of Apple and Google for their phones.

If you expected perfection with this release...or any release for that matter, you got in the wrong line.