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[Epic 4G General] mousiluck:
I don't understand why most people are really willing to mess up their phones. Is everyone so rich that they can afford to buy a new phone once they ruin this one?

From what I've seen on this forum is nothing but complaints. People complaining about dj29 not being released, then complaning about dj29 having bugs that they can't really fix, that's why it wasn't initially relased to the mass of epic owners. And now you want dk05/dk17 when for a FACT the fixes are not really significant enough to benefit from, compared to the bugs and glitches that were added on to the bugs that were there in the first place. There are more pressing issues that need be addressed instead of catering to a bunch of impatient people. If you are so impatient then do it yourself

Developers are developers, they develop and modify. They do not just grab the newest kernels and roms just to push out to everyone untested.

Everyone must also note that there are FEW devs for the epic compared to the other platforms. You already know that things won't work properly, but yet you complain when it happens to you. The complainers act like they are all high and mighty demanding devs to release something that isn't really ready. "Would you eat chicken if it was halfway cooked knowing you could get e-coli from it?"

Unless you really are putting in some effort to actualy help out, you have no room to complain. Eclair works good enough, froyo dj29 gives you flash. be happy with that. But once the people run dk05 with modem.bin and end up burning out their radios from Samsung's/Sprint's script error conflict or sleeping gitch in the system I will just laugh and have a beer.

So enough of the ranting *cheers* my epic still works and is already better than my friend's evo.

And by the way thank you's to all the actual devs that are doing what they are doing, next time just rub it into their faces that you have this and they don't. It will create a lot of flaming issues, but you will see more devs begin to pop up.

Samsung Epic 2.2 froyo 4.2DJ29, Di18 modem

QuantamRom1.1, smiley->@ hack,ACS 2.2 Theme,

Neocore 56fps, linpack 20mflops, quadrant 1020, BenchmarkPi 1273 #11750, Now with Ubuntu.

Now this is becoming Epic!
[Epic 4G General] XtaC318:
Curious as to where you got this, as far as i'm concerned, the reflash of the dI18 modem fixes the radio bug in dk05..

I'm just a curious monkey (:
[Epic 4G General] mousiluck:
I'm just talking metaphorically...But radio isn't the only problem with these epic froyo betas.

Samsung Epic leaked 2.2 froyo 4.2DJ29, Di18 modem

QuantamRom1.1, smiley->@ hack,ACS 2.2 Theme,

Neocore 56fps, linpack 20mflops, quadrant 1020, BenchmarkPi 1273 #11750, Now with Ubuntu.

Now this is becoming Epic!
[Epic 4G General] tommyrumpke:
Made the mistake of doubting Noobnl before, never again. Had the first leak for a day before I went back to his Andromeda Rom, and don't plan on going to Froyo until it's one he's baked. Keep up the good work, as others have said, we would be a sad ass community without you.
[Epic 4G General] mrkrabs:
Would sum1 please pm with a link to tha d05. Ill take my chances
[Epic 4G General] gTen:
I think you are missing the point..the point of xda is to have access to these kind of things buggy or not...a simple warning is all thats necessary..if someone who is inexperienced flashes it despite the warning thats their fault.

Go to xda-developers.com and look at the "About US" I know these days its on the bottom:

So if the site was founded for an open forum for developers why is it now closed doors? Not everyone is a developer here yes..but there is potential in everyone the more information that is shared..sometimes an average user needs that phone brick to gain interest in developing. I'm sure every developer here was developing roms the first day they were born and all..

When flashing phones, we all take a risk, even tools like odin can brick your phone on occasions. Thats the risk we all take in doing what we do..only difference if how high the risk is.

To me personally doesn't matter too much one way or the other..but it seems things are changing and in a manner that will hurt development in the long run :/..don't get me wrong if someone might get in trouble for the released rom then its understandable...but keeping something due to "protecting" them is silly and counter productive...a warning on how high the risk is more then enough.

PS..I am not trying to flame anyone btw..just it seems that the Epic forum is completely different the rest of the site :/

Edit:

Also we have way too many people posting stuff unrelated to development in this subsection...and 50 threads complaining about the same thing on the first 2 pages..sigh...can't we get our act together?

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@mrkrabs - Google for:

dk05 froyo
[Epic 4G General] lostlander:
As a few people have already said here this is a development forum. It's for developers if someone comes along and bricks their phone it's their problem. If you feel guilty then make an unbrick sticky that covers most every fix you can think of. Anyone who makes their way here is already at least a power user.

Few people are ever happy with it's for your own good as an excuse. It means you're taking a choice away and choice is freedom. They come here to get their hands dirty many like me have a knack for solving problems but if we never get our hands on a problem we can never learn the nuances of the system we work with. This means we are forced to rely on others which irritates us and makes many if us complain about every issue in a rom. The idea being if you think you have the right to tell us what is goid for us then you have the responsibility to care for our problems. You can't have mommy, like decision power without the responsibility. Give us the dirty rom mark it as highly unstable. Those if us with the guts will use it carefully the rest deserve a brick.

As an aside I think the reason some people get so angry is that you hold it for so long and there are still deadly bugs found regularly. So what is the point if withholding doesn't seem effective. I know there are already dozens if things you fixed before but that's not the point.

These are developer forums where people hack up roms to get them to do what they want. I suspect that there are many like me who will rip apart two different roms trying to get the pieces they want. Stop treating us like end users already at least give us the dignity of being treated like a junior dev.

Some if the most creative fixes can come from someone who us not used to working worth the problems your used to seeing every day fresh eyes can mean a lot.
[Epic 4G General] Quicksand Jesus:
Okay, simple idea here

you hold stuff back for "testing" = you slow down progress

saying there is an issue = BS because there is always risk

taking time to develop ur own ROM = that's cool take your time

you think you can hide things on the internet = your dead wrong

Keep posting the leaks guys, we all take our chances. Worrying about bricking your phones is like worrying about driving the wrong way in a parking lot.

I'll keep watching and downloading what people post. Maybe I have to wait a few extra days because the "devs" don't think i'm smart enough to test myself. LOL
[Epic 4G General] snovvman:
Thanks for pointing this out. I flashed to DK05 and saw the same thing. Went right back to DJ29.
[Epic 4G General] gTen:
Why not just make a poll about whether or not these things should be released even if they brick the phone(of course with a warning) and end this debate already?
[Epic 4G General] prodigyplace:
If that is true, you did NOT brick your phone.

If you bricked your phone, you would not be able to get into download mode and would either need to get it replaced or you could use it as a brick since it could not be retored to functioning condition.

If you can restore it to a functioning it, by definition, was not bricked.
[Epic 4G General] Mutiny32:
I just want to address whoever said there was someone's name in the leak. Whoopidy doo. I found a Korean developer's name, email, and phone number in one of the diagnostic screens for GPS in the official DI18 rom from Sprint. It doesn't implicate anyone. If anything, the man should be given kudos for at helping Samsung save face because of carriers dicking around with customers and delaying rom updates. This way, Samsung gets to say "look, there's your proof that we've been delivering updates to carriers, so if customers are pissed off because there aren't any updates, you know exactly who to direct that anger towards.
[Epic 4G General] vgambit:
Then we need to clarify what people mean when they say brick.

The important question is, can the DK05 put your phone in a state where Download mode is completely inaccessible?
[Epic 4G General] zigarath:
I wonder this too...i seem to remember some dev in some irc flaunting how well dk05 ran. Never once did I hear awww **** dk05 messed my stuff up...again unless the devs become more open and be honest instead of banning anything hero_over related all we can do is assume and speculate... ur all devs quit bickering between each other over donations and Develop! Share! Learn from each other...guess what? whoever puts time and effort to the community it serves will get the donates...money comes with skill quit being hungry for it and enjoy what you supposedly enjoy doing in your spare time anyway...i mean u developers would develop with or without cash because you love what you do...right? I know I do in my passions and hobbies...unless we really only have people who develop for gain here...and if that'd the case then maybe im better off stock...or learn to dev myself
[Epic 4G General] plapczyn:
Who's progress are they slowing down? You getting buggy/unreleased software on your phone? There are so many people on here that have no idea about actual embedded software release cycles. Code needs to be frozen, reviewed, tested, issue reports created, fixes made, retested, packaged and released. All of this takes time. Are people here really naive enough to think that samsung is going to go fix issues you encounter based on your 'testing' of a leaked ROM. Didn't this used to be a developers forum?

Is not receiving a ROM compiled on the code trunk going to somehow make you unable to go through your day? The whining here is ridiculous. If everybody here that is spending time *****ing about not receiving handouts spent some time actually learning to code, then maybe they could be here complaining that the Epic doesn't support API level 8 yet and thus can't fully take advantage of their software.
[Epic 4G General] akijikan:
They are slowing down the community's progress. We could all be working on this instead of the select few. The anger is not about "UGH I can't believe I don't have the latest on my phone." It's about "I can't believe people are holding back stuff so they can work on it. Why can't anyone who thinks they could help work on it?"
[Epic 4G General] Zeinzu:
Its not really for noob or even xda to decide whether access should be given to any of these leaks, for anyone who feels confident enough to work on it they hold just as much right as u noob and we all know the risks, don't decide for us whether we get to experiment with it or not just state what the risks are, if anyone ignores the risks and doesn't know what they are doing its on them, no one else

Sent from my Epic 4g
[Epic 4G General] SINNN:
Quantum rom thread says its dk05.is that the same leak that bricked a radio? I'm downloading now, but want to make sure it dont ruin my day.
[Epic 4G General] Sh0wNuF:
No, it isn't up for them to decide who can access the leaks, but it is up to them to decide if they want to give out the leak that they got, or even release a rom that they created. If we were paying them to be a dev then it would be another story but they do this for fun. So if you have an insider that can get you the leak feel free to flash to your hearts content.
[Epic 4G General] nom303:
If leaked roms r getting cut off due to brick issue for consumer safety, then developers(that r conserned with this) should change their disclaimer to (Ill own up to bricking your phone cuz this is not a test)...this is getting pitiful
[Epic 4G General] Geniusdog254:
Yes. An official build. Of course that implicates no one. This is pre-release software never meant to see the public. If they're anything like HTC (or any other major hardware company) they are forced into NDAs that say they can never leak any software or info and lays out the penalties for doing so. Giving his full name, the build machine, and the build time makes it pretty damn easy to figure out at least where the leak originated and make it super easy to punish him.
[Epic 4G General] akijikan:
This issue came up with Damageless on the hero who made this same claim but of course was also releasing ROMs based on the leak. When pressed he said he found and removed the watermark. Of course this raises the question of why didn't he just release the leak with the watermark removed?

And I guess the question in this situation would be is the watermark identifiable (to us) and could it be removed?
[Epic 4G General] zigarath:
All this info is also in di18
[Epic 4G General] raiderep:
Sad to see so much separation rather than coming together. I came here when Epic was on the horizon and things weren't like this. If its growing pains then fine but please stop all the bickering...its not productive at all. If you want to help stop and think of what you are typing, respond intelligently or you are just reacting and look like fools. Grow up. And try and remember these devices are phones for crying out loud! Take a walk in the park, invite a friend over and watch a movie, live life and don't live through your phone. There is so much more to life if you open your eyes folks...

[Stepping back off soap box]

sent by an Epic4g through the cosmos
[Epic 4G General] tony45x220:
I'm still on 2.1 Eclair running Syndicate ROM with Phoenix 1.49...ever since this Froyo leak I've heard nothing but lag and problems with it...and now this DK05 issue people bricking their epics....I already get great battery (average 20+) and performance...I'm glad all these issues are out in the open...I'll gladly wait untill people start having more + than - things to say about this Froyo "BETA" leak...smh
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
Let me set the record straight. The next rom is DK12 and no, none of us have it yet.
[Epic 4G General] Alcon:
Dude Please stop the lies..Your hurting your rep.... They have dk17 thats even newer then dk12

Here is link proves -- dk17 http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=844714&page=4
[Epic 4G General] MysteryEmotionz:
Says who you? You forget he's the sprint rep that gives us the official ota tar filles for odin. Why don't you do your homework next time
[Epic 4G General] Alcon:
Then you must be blind --- http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=844714&page=4

You do your home work next time
[Epic 4G General] MysteryEmotionz:
I was just in that thread and I stand corrected
[Epic 4G General] Alcon:
Alot of other people will see through all the lies going on around hear. Whosdaman a sprint rep that releases ota updates.. LOL dude who LIED to you
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
If one thing is for certain around here, I do not lie. I only tell the truth and that's all that I need to. I don't have any need to lie at all.

And thanks to the guys helping me out while I'm gone.
[Epic 4G General] SINNN:
Wow! What a bunch of babies! Grow up nerds! I stand with the devs. They are the grease that makes us all go round. Without the grease,we go nowhere. Even if they have dk17, let them test it and play with it. Then they give it to us. We are the few lucky ones to know them. Unlike ever other epic owners who has to wait for official realases of froyo, we have it know. Yum
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
I'm looking into DK17 rom...trying to find out if it is real or not. AFAIK, DK12 is the latest ROM but no one has it. Noobnl, Firon, and I do not have DK12 or 17 and we believe 12 is the latest, not 17
[Epic 4G General] Alcon:
lol. Dude i dont really care about any updates.. Just dont like the lies. I was wanting the newest roms, but thats ok, i can wait like the rest of the world. Ive been around awhile ,I started with the rest of the peeps on here . with the moment at sdx .They didnt support the phone over here.Sdx lost ther first 2 sites..Everything was good the leak came out joeykrim rooted it all in that one night it was leaked.This was before noobnl even showed up on forums .I liked the first rom he modified, It was a nice clean strip.Ran pretty fast some glitches some reboots thats all .Just wish it would be like it was , Not hogin **** .I realize he is takin the risk putting it on the phone and testing it out.But if it works let people try it .please dont hold it back.and lie about someone losing jobs and stuff..Let it go. Ok im done .
[Epic 4G General] Alcon:
This was the last quote about that rom from the one who has it
[Epic 4G General] mattallica76:
I believe there was a screenshot of the file in his odin folder also.
[Epic 4G General] Fallen Spartan:
Right I'm kinda sick of all the name calling. If you're going to be have like kids, I'll treat you like them. I'm going to go through this thread and remove all the insults, any more and a small vacation will be heading your way
[Epic 4G General] SINNN:
Agree. Babies.
[Epic 4G General] tyl3rdurden:
http://www.pcworld.com/businesscent...x_kernel_patch_delivers_huge_speed_boost.html

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=844458

could this be worked into Epic 4G kernels as well?
[Epic 4G General] ZenInsight:
WOW. I am seriously impressed by your "keeping up with the times" mentality. Good job on noticing this!

So...

"n tests by Galbraith, the patch reportedly produced a drop in the maximum latency of more than 10 times and in the average latency of the desktop by about 60 times. Though the merge window is now closed for the Linux 2.6.37 kernel, the new patch should make it into version 2.6.38."

Along with an Overclocked Froyo kernel (once source is out) this should REALLY improve our experiences.

I mentioned in another thread that I am in talks with Paragon software

http://www.paragon-software.com/exp...ocs/technologies/Paragon_UFSD_for_Android.pdf

for NTFS and HSF access. I think that is is POSSIBLE that this is actually a software patch, although it may need to be placed into the kernel itself as a driver. I promise to update as soon as they get back to me as I just spoke to the devs there yesterday.

Looks like our experience is about to improve dramatically!
[Epic 4G General] Dulanic:
From the other xda thread someone mentioned that some kernels have already implemented. I am sure some of them would be glad to share how it is implemented and how easily it can be done. I know it is different phones/kernels but the idea behind it should be similar.
[Epic 4G General] ZenInsight:
We don't have a source kernel for Froyo yet to do this. Someone correct me if I am wrong please.

Edit: I can't find anything mentioning this patch. If anyone has a link post it. I don't believe this is implemented anywhere yet.
[Epic 4G General] ZenInsight:
I found the below info here:

http://www.reseize.com/2010/11/linux-kernel-patch-that-does-wonders.html

Below is the video of the Linux desktop when running the kernel and the patch in question was applied but but disabled:

[YOUTUBE]<object width="640" height="390"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/uk70SeGA7pg&rel=0&hl=en_US&feature=player_embedded&version=3"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/uk70SeGA7pg&rel=0&hl=en_US&feature=player_embedded&version=3" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always" width="640" height="390"></embed></object>[/YOUTUBE]

As you can see, the experience when compiling the Linux kernel with so many jobs is rather troubling to the Linux desktop experience. At no point in the video was the 1080p sample video paused, but that was just where the current mainline Linux kernel is at with 2.6.37. There was also some stuttering with glxgears and some responsiveness elsewhere. This is even with all of the Linux 2.6.37 kernel improvements up to today. If recording a video of an older kernel release, the experience is even more horrific! Now let's see what happens when enabling the patch's new scheduler code

[YOUTUBE]<object width="640" height="390"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/prxInRdaNfc&rel=0&hl=en_US&feature=player_embedded&version=3"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/prxInRdaNfc&rel=0&hl=en_US&feature=player_embedded&version=3" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always" width="640" height="390"></embed></object>[/YOUTUBE]

It is truly a night and day difference. The 1080p Ogg video now played smoothly a majority of the time when still compiling the Linux kernel with 64 jobs. Glxgears was also better and the window movements and desktop interactivity was far better. When compiling the Linux kernel with 128 jobs or other workloads that apply even greater strain, the results are even more dramatic, but it is not great for a video demonstration; the first video recorded under greater strained made the "before look" appear as like a still photograph.
[Epic 4G General] cicada:
This could be potentially patched into our Eclair kernel if the changes aren't too intrusive, and by the sounds of it they're not.

The mainline patch was against 2.6.39 kernel however, our froyo kernel will be 2.6.32 and eclair is 2.6.29 - so we're several revisions behind in eclair.

It's definitely interesting, but it's geared toward desktops using the group scheduler - absolutely worth a try if that scheduler works with android easily ( most of the community kernels are using BFS scheduler however )
[Epic 4G General] ZenInsight:
Sniff...

It did sound a little too good to be true. Well, eventually we will get 2.6.38 and that has it built in, if the desktop group scheduler can even be used at all it seems.
[Epic 4G General] tyl3rdurden:
but because its in other peoples' kernels cant it be easily ported into ours?
[Epic 4G General] DevinXtreme:
It's very possible to patch in. If it's been done before, anyway.

But, because it is based on the .39 kernel, it might be a little buggy. Or a lot buggy. You wanna link me to a kernel that has it and I'll look into it? I probably will wait for Froyo source for at least the .32 kernel.
[Epic 4G General] Mutiny32:
Here's what Linus himself had to say about the patch:
[Epic 4G General] ZenInsight:
Devin- I agree with waiting until the Froyo source is out for attempting to implement this. I'm not sure that group scheduling is even an option in the Android kernel. But I don't think anyone has done this so I doubt any links are coming your way.

Edit: Found this here- http://groups.google.com/group/android-kernel/browse_thread/thread/f47d9d4f4e6a116a/ab1a8ab42bb0b84a

Android is using the CFS.

They are combine with RT scheduling.

When you playing the audio and video service, paltform change the

scheduling policy and change the schedule prority.

search the platform code

dalvik has policy n proiorty setting code, also framework related with

audio n video

check the init.rc and cutil folder

u need to search the platform after eclair release (Froyo)
[Epic 4G General] Geniusdog254:
Actually, no Epic kernel uses BFS. It isn't stable on our hardware, and its not worth porting. Android uses CFS by default, and then the CFQ scheduler I think, but most have switched from CFS/CFQ to CFS/BFQ combination. I know mine & Devin's kernels have.
[Epic 4G General] ZenInsight:
Ok then, so in your professional opinion is this patch a possibility still?