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[Windows Phone 7 General] patrick_dube:
It's official, coming from Microsoft themselves...

NO update to Windows Phone 8.

All first and second generation phones will be 'stuck' with a revamped Windows Phone 7.8, that will look like 8, bot will not get the fancy stuff.

It's a sad day for Nokia (and all other OEM), as they might see their sales dwindle...

Hopefully, new phones will come quickly...
[Windows Phone 7 General] guilhermedsx:
They are basically closing the "New Apps" section from Marketplace for us, since I believe 99.9% of them will be for the new kernel with native code / DirectX.

And they speak badly of Android.
[Windows Phone 7 General] pLUSpISTOL:
That's off topic, go to the Nokia Lumia 800 section! :rolleyes:

As for the future updates; as a Omnia7 owner = I'm happy with 7.8. As my friends have Lumia's... I can feel slightly bad for them but in all honesty I don't think it's worth getting upset over no WP8, 7.8 is close enough! It's obviously a lot to do with kernels, processors and programming.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Drewskie:
Like I've said before I'm mad because they knew about this 3 months ago when the 900 was launched. All they had to do was say that there would be no WP8 for that phone. I just feel like they withheld it on purpose for obvious reasons.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vpwp:
Dead wrong.
[Windows Phone 7 General] OndraSter:
http://sdrv.ms/KWUrJV

:D

// WHAT THE HELL, I WANT OLD SMILEYS BACK!
[Windows Phone 7 General] bobzero:
What is that link, my live account became blocked after clicking it...
[Windows Phone 7 General] OndraSter:
It is picture on skydrive.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Maledict:
What, are there new (presumably uglier) smileys in WP8?
[Windows Phone 7 General] OndraSter:
No, here on forums.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ZOMO:
And we should expect them closing WP8 market about end of 2014 because new NONCOMPATIBILE WP9. Just to be clear - you are buying telephone for 2 years, then you have to bin it an buy new one - simple. (unless you have HTC HD2)
[Windows Phone 7 General] pbp8ntballer:
I purchased an HTC Titan last December. While I'm not entirely in the same bought as Lumia owners, (despite having the phone less than a year and realizing it's being cut off from WP8), I'm not entirely distressed from not getting the update. WP7.8 is fine enough for me in the meantime, while I can wait and see if WP8 will have any launch bugs and issues that'll make me regret adopting early. If everything seems ship-shape, then I'll make the switch.

No big deal, in my opinion.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sdkswk:
7.8 and we need APN
[Windows Phone 7 General] Skywalker134:
I heard that none of the current Windows Phones will be eligible to receive any future updates...
[Windows Phone 7 General] dazza9075:
then you heard wrong, there will be updates, you just wont get any WP8 hardware / kernal dependant updates.

up to a point this will stay true, i would "assume" based on absolutely no fact what so ever, that from release of WP8 MS will provide support for 7.x for a further 18 months, which would tidy over most users until the end of their current contracts.

remember folks, you own a phone that you selected and paid out for, bar bug fixes there really isnt and required level of support from MS at all.

it will be outdated sooner or later, but it wont suddenly stop working.

As for app developers, until WP7 market is small enough not to bother with they would be foolish to ignore it. If they can develop an app that is supported on Tango hardware then they would get a much bigger user base and thus potential sales then if they targeted it at WP8 only. MS has already said that porting to WP8 is already~80% done so its not like its a massive undertaking!

the other small thing is that as with all 1st gen devices, there will be much better ones around the corner so we'd do well to not move to WP8 for the sake of it just now anyway ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] ra3ed2012:
Tttttttttyyyyyyyyyyyyy
[Windows Phone 7 General] eddy4823:
Existing Lumia owners will get Bluetooth file sharing app !! :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Drewskie:
I've said it before and I'll say it again.

The only things I want out of 7.8 are a file explorer and the ability to sync whatever files I want. I'm talking about doc files if you add to them or whatnot they automatically sync when you plug in your phone. I had that setup on my wm 6.5

The obvious start screen we all know we're getting.

A notification hub or bar or whatever

Small thing I'd like to see the calender app offer the option for a clock on the live tile in wide mode.

Customization options for ring tones (already have but you know what I mean) custom sms, email, alarm alerts

and for me I would love to be able to have a lock screen with a lot more versatility. For instance an app like amazing weather could push current weather conditions with animations to the lock screen.

Would that make most of us happy? It would make me happy. With those features I would be completely happy with my phone. So let's see if MS gives it to us but I won't hold my breath.
[Windows Phone 7 General] pkm130186:
hi

cant we have custom roms for widows phone...........??
[Windows Phone 7 General] dazza9075:
That depends if you can install custom roms on your device! There is minimal need for custom roms on wp devices, but some HTC devices can, and first Gen samsungs. Thing is its not like android that need ripped apart in order to make it semi good ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] crixley:
Yeah unlike android no matter what you do it can never be semi good

get a good android phone with jellybean (note2, gnex, nexus 4) and you'll see why users are happy :)

Windows phones isn't growing, and if it hasn't yet probably never will
[Windows Phone 7 General] dazza9075:
lol, oh your funny, would you care to take that wit of yours back to an android forum, its not needed or wanted here and if im honest your sounding like a broken record. If You hate WP, take every opportunity to belittle it, why bother hanging around here? I think you have a secret love interest in WP, you don't want to stand out from the rest of the sheep out there but deep down your come here to crave after WP, to listen to the rest of us normal folk get on so well with It in he hope that one day you'll be able to say im not a sheep!

;)

Joking aside, this is a WP forum, we like it, we don't ask you to like it, but please respect that we do like it, I would do the exact same if I ever felt the need to pester an android forum.
[Windows Phone 7 General] crixley:
I actually do like it,like I said it is very smooth and has great social media integration...

There are just things missing that I feel need rectification. I really hope they do add more features and it picks up, it has the potential to be a great os.

I like android as well, two sides of a coin I guess...
[Windows Phone 7 General] shawchyn:
I know most of the users from Android camp will complaint that WP don't have "Task Killer" app, they can't close the app.
[Windows Phone 7 General] andyl66:
I too am an android user (i also have a new ipad) and all I can say is this.

If you own any ios or droid hardware beware of ever installing latest os updates. Eg. 6.0.1 update to iPad has resulted in WiFi drops and system slowdowns. Jb update on my one x has resulted in complete system crashes, battery drain and sporadic system slowdowns.

Every time ms issue an update it improves the software. My gf has a 3 year old HTC hd7 and it is rock solid, never ever crashes, the os is smooth and that damned universal search tool is amazing. Click search and it searches CD covers, book covers, ms tags, those b&w tags, music search, lyric search, standard web etc... All under that one button. I can do all this on ios and droid but I don't because it involves several apps needing to be installed, and if I don't pay for the app it'll mean endless push notifications etc.

My next phone will be a Nokia. My iPad walks over any android device because it has better apps, and Nokia's have the best cameras and best gps (which is free), also a huge number of wp apps are the best of all platforms. I don't care if the os doesn't gain much market traction, since when did market share mean superior hardware?
[Windows Phone 7 General] faustolg:
WE HAVE...

Which is the best is a matter of taste...
[Windows Phone 7 General] AndyFZ1S:
I have installed the 7.8 update(version 8858) on my Nokia Lumia 900 using Navifirm and care suite and the differences are only very slight, Am not 100% sure if the update I installed is the one that will be released as some have mentioned an 8878 version,

It is an improvement where the tiles are concerned but Apps also need to be compatible to use the wide tiles etc, Bing wallpapers is an ok add on but I don't use that, I still think there could be more accent colours added too, I am hoping there will be at least one more major update for WP7, It has been rumoured of a 7.10 update but we will have to wait and see for that,

I am happier now I have the newer tiles but a bit disappointed there wasn't much more in the update :(
[Windows Phone 7 General] crixley:
LOL after these two things I couldn't tke you seriously at all.....

WP8 changed nothing but the start screen really, they didn't fix notifcations, volume control, or anything for that matter.

Also, the app store is a graveyard with the worst quality I've ever seen hahah
[Windows Phone 7 General] AndyFZ1S:
MS to provide support for WP8 and WP7.8 until 2014

http://wmpoweruser.com/mainstream-support-for-wp-8-ends-july-2014-wp-7-8-september-2014/

Now going by this it appears you are better off for support with your Wp7 handsets, Strange move but nice to know :o
[Windows Phone 7 General] mcosmin222:
WP8 will get major update by then, like 7.5 was to 7. So having 8 without any update will not be supported.
[Windows Phone 7 General] LT nicles:
Custom SMS,Email, 3rd Party Apps Ringtones

I am due an update soon, love my windows phone been through it all with 7 to 7.5 now waiting to see what 7.8 will look like if it ever arrives on my phone, been shopping looking for my next replacement and sadly disappointed that I am not able to change tones for messages on windows phone 8, Lumia 920 was definitely going to be my replacement but with constraints wp has on its users, what 's the point, something so simple?? why have they blocked or not put a feature to help allow us to customize our phones the way we want to???? PLEASE MICROSOFT, SORT IT OUT!! and this is meant to be a smart phone. Thank you for the custom ringtones but surely it would have not been too difficult to amend the sms tones as well. Open to suggestions, wish some one could jail break windows system, its frustrating hearing the same dam tones over and over again!! :confused:
[Windows Phone 7 General] Claribelsmith:
the phone is getting the mixed responses and there are very few who are liking the device .. by going through such an imbalance ratio, how far the phone will cover?
[Windows Phone 7 General] mcgam2000:
Still no file explorer????? That's why I left long ago...

I was commenting on the disadvantages of still using a Windows phone... I thought I was in the area about windows phones so i just commented as above... It is too bad that Microsoft has continued to drive people away from their phone operating system...
[Windows Phone 7 General] dazza9075:
and you needed to tell us this because?
[Windows Phone 7 General] PabloW92:
lol. We need more apps first, file explorer is not a necessity in aphone
[Windows Phone 7 General] Giuseppe96:
Awesome information!
[Windows Phone 7 General] mak18:
thanks
[Windows Phone 7 General] halloo13:
Microsoft released a list of devices which gets the Windows 10 Mobile Update. Most of the Windows Phone 7, 7.5 devices are listed there like the Nokia Lumia 800 or the Lumia 710. What does that mean? Will the Windows Phone 7 devices get a Windows 10 Update or just some feauters from Windows 10 Mobile? If you don't believe me check this website out and download the file of the devices : https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=49182 (just google the RM-xxx(x) and look which device it is)
[Windows Phone 7 General] eternalemb:
kinda late to the party there man like

I'm seriously stoked though. Hopefully MS will really shut some Android and iPhone fanboy mouths with this update...
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
LOL...yeah...late sleeper. :D

Nah, that'll never happen. That would be a contradiction of the term, "fanboy", for them to hold their rhetoric of all other formats. But, at the least, it might stun them. They might even be tempted (acknowledged in their own consciousnesses) to get on the WP7 bandwagon when this update happens. Who knows? Maybe the update won't be too much. Maybe it will be a whole new OS. Whatever it will be, it will satisfy me, and that's really all that matters, that each WP7 user is pleased.

The fanboys are going to remain what they are. But us WP7 users will carry on with our lives ever more pleasured.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sketchy9:
I actually don't care about the fanboys. I do hope that the update improves the functionality. After 3 weeks with the HD7, I can say my biggest issues are no free turn-by-turn directions and no Office file syncing to SkyDrive. Hopefully those will be addressed, keeping fingers crossed!

BTW, does anyone know why Chris Walsh would have inside info on this release? I know his Chevron credentials, but I'm not sure how that would give him knowledge of the Jan. update.

-R
[Windows Phone 7 General] nizzon:
^He probably "knows people" who have access.

So he never posted any more info?
[Windows Phone 7 General] eternalemb:
Oh don't get me wrong guys, I'm not talking about this as only being to shut fanboys up, it's merely a by-product. I have lots of faith that MS will give us a much better overall experience with the update. Trying not to get my hopes up too high, but one can dream...
[Windows Phone 7 General] Jim Coleman:
Ooooh! Only a month to go! Shiny! :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] makoute:
Anyone know when phones with more current hardware will hit the market?
[Windows Phone 7 General] The Gate Keeper:
i think that it would be in the next quarter. the phones now will probably cover till the update is rolled out and then OEMs will start to push out more. A lot of the last minute rush by OEMs are slowing down so that their market is established for christmas. Once all the spending is settled around christmas, the OEMs will probably get back into it. hopefully with a bit more variations than the current set.
[Windows Phone 7 General] EFN:
The current line-up of WP7s are already using top tiered hardware. So I believe it will not be at least another 6-12 months before new models come out - and most probably they will still sport similar hardware - just different package to suit different taste. 1Ghz Snapdragon experience on my HD7 is waay better than it was with my previous HD2 on Winmo 6.5.3 and Froyo 2.2
[Windows Phone 7 General] makoute:
I agree that the snapdragon on the hd7 is pretty decent, but no chance of HSPA+ on it, which for me is unacceptable at this moment.
[Windows Phone 7 General] AceofSpades25:
Unfortunately it looks like we're in for some more disappointing news from our favorite tech company.

http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/microsoft-reconfirms-copy-paste-windows-phone-7-update

Copy paste, is that it? :rolleyes:
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
I don't have any data problems. Getting 4-6 mbps download when on hspa+ here in san antonio. Can stream netflix with no buffering.

is there something better than a 1ghz processor and half gb of ram at the moment???
[Windows Phone 7 General] nizzon:
Its all speculations.

No one knows, but MS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] janemanno1:
I don't think Microsoft would be studid enough to release an update which requires a massive amount of resources both on their & OEM/carrier part to just include copy & paste! Wait and watch.
[Windows Phone 7 General] iamsoly:
Wanna add 2 more

Asian Language Keyboard (Japanese, Korean, Chinese, etc.) - ?

Asian Language Interface (..) - ?

iPhone and Android are doing great on these but why not for WP7 (and WM)?!

I guess MS is not an international school student, haha!
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
has wp7 been released in any asian markets? I'm guessing when that happens so will your keyboard.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
Newer, more efficient 1ghz processors with better GPUs?
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
considering wp7 is optimized for the snapdragon and it's gpu, I don't know that a different processor would be an improvement. More like a lateral move.
[Windows Phone 7 General] eternalemb:
I'll take Chris Walsh's word over pocketnow.com's Android/iPhone biased word anyday of the week. Nice try though :rolleyes:
[Windows Phone 7 General] eternalemb:
Can't find much else ***** about eh? These kiddies are gettin ridiculous...

Even tablets like iPad, Galaxy Tab etc. are using 1Ghz processors and ~512MB RAM. Only one stepping it up is the BB Playbook with a 1.2Ghz dual core and 1GB of RAM. What more do you need? If you really need more power overclock it. If not, sought off and build your own phone with a 2Ghz processor and an Nvidia video card in it; it should be a breeze to do and a beauty to carry around :).
[Windows Phone 7 General] Jim Coleman:
What is this bizzare and pathological obsession some people have with memory and CPU speed? What matters is the overall experience. The Psion Series 5 was the champion of its day but had a miserable processor. The OS made it such a breeze to use. The old Windows CE devices were appalling not because of the processors but because of the OS.

WP7 on the HD7 blows WM6.5 on the HD2 out of the water, even though the CPU is the same, because the OS is so slick.

In fact, I would go so far as to say that a faster processor and more RAM just isn't needed. The OS runs perfectly quickly as it is on a 1GHz chip. In fact, if a 2GHz CPU came out, thus forcing the price of 1GHz phones down, I would spend less money and go for the 1GHz chip. It's all WP7 needs.

Sometimes I think techie types get so engrossed in the numbers game that they fail to be able to see "the wood for the trees". Take a step back, look at the device as a cohesive whole and smell the coffee. Forget about CPU Megahertz, RAM size etc. Does the device do what you want, quickly and smoothly enough? That's the real question. Not "when will a faster processor come out"?

Do get a grip guys! :rolleyes:
[Windows Phone 7 General] bernaserra:
Smart man^

It also bothers me that everyone begs for a speedier processor then complains about battery life. Personally I think we have hit the sweet spot for processor/battery life. Lets see how long these phones will last with a 2GHz chip inside. Truth be told I would like to see some improvement in battery technology first and foremost.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Jim Coleman:
Agreed - faster CPUs won't enhance the experience, they'll drain the battery, and they'll also cost more. There's nothing to gain here. Consoles like the PS2 still sell by the bucketload yet they are ages-old technology and no-one moans about how much memory a PS2 has or how slow the CPU is, because the product works perfectly well as-is. The same holds for phones, now that they have become sufficiently slick in operation that the user is never waiting for something to happen (excepting internet data retrieval of course).

What really needs to happen now, as you say, is for the battery technology to advance to the point where I can use the phone all day long without having to worry about recharging. That would be way more useful than more memory or a faster CPU. Really.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
For what it's worth, I have a Samsung Focus and I love it. I waited 6+ months with a near broken iPhone 3G for the release of WP7, don't mistake me for a troll.

The use of the same processor from the year old Nexus One was a bit of a letdown. It would have been nice to see a 2nd Gen Snapdragon like the one in The G2, which would provide a MUCH better GPU (a lot of us use these phones for gaming, right?) and be more efficient.

Besides, while performance is great in native apps, the silverlight apps leave a lot to be desired.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
I think the manufacturers and their commercials shoulder the most blame when it comes to the consumer's obsession with certain specs.

I am in electronics and by far the one thing the average consumer overspends on is RAM.

Joe: My PC is running slow. I need more memory.

Nick: How much memory do you have?

Joe: 2GB.

Nick: What OS do you have?

Joe: XP.

Nick: What do you use your PC do to?

Joe: Surf the net. Check facebook and my emails. Watch DVDs. Thats about it.

Half the time it is viruses. The other half it is the Internet to blame not the PC.

Blame beer commercials that make us believe we will be admired by our peers and desired by the opposite sex.

Yes, we would like to future-proof our devices by getting the good stuff now. But I cannot see why many people would really need a Tegra in a phone right now. And it makes some programmers write bloated, inefficient apps because the fast phones can handle it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sarasera:
So you're guessing wrong.

In Denmark indeed wp7 has been released.

BUT no danish interface, no danish keyboard (yes we have special letters)

no danish dictionary.

And no acces to zune with a danish address.

And no posibilty to use danish credit card

There's several other countrys where the situation is exactly the same.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
This is absolutely ridiculous. There was a guy from Denmark here who said that an English-only device is fine, special characters aren't needed and so on. I don't know about that, but if Denmark is in any way similar to Norway I can imagine that this might actually be the case as everybody there speaks fluent English and people don't mind using English anywhere.

Not being able to buy apps from Marketplace, however, is mind blowing for a device that's sold officially.

On the other hand, this was the case with Android until recently in most of the world. How they pulled this off I don't know.
[Windows Phone 7 General] c_legaspi:
too hard for the average bear boo boo
[Windows Phone 7 General] justinxtreme:
What else is missing?

Alright, this thread is about what is missing in Windows Phone 7. I'm a proud owner of my Samsung Focus and HTC Surround :) But still it's missing some features. It's also a thread about what they should add onto it

First off, let's do the obvious ones

Copy, Cut, and Paste

Multi-tasking (this really annoys me when using social apps)

Now the small ones,

-what would be really nice is for microsoft to make the now playing section of zune have those album tiles like in wmc (Windows Media Center)

-hav that album tiles thing on the lock screen or the album cover of whats currently playing

-the volume bar could improve a bit more..... somehow at least

-they should have a simple two step install process for apps, i dont like the way it has to load the page three times feels unproductive

-they could have wallpapers for the start screen but not really necessary, it looks nice the way it is

-the search feature it needs to be more consistent! it gets confusing at times it really does. just default it to bing search and have a search bar at the top or a search option on the top right or something

-music+videos app needs search function

-apps could function a lot faster, i find a lot of apps transitioning slowly but it maybe the developer's fault..... i doubt it though considering how it happens to many apps (facebook for example)

-double click home function? (maybe not..... since its touch sensitive? agree or wat)

-options like send, next, and such sometimes stay at portrait even though the im using landscape mode..... (ex. add a email account landscape)

that's about it.... ill add more if i find any

so wbu....... anyone agree wit my list?????
[Windows Phone 7 General] sruthika:
Hi,

Preventing hot-swap of cards is a good move by MS as it will help reduce software piracy. And considering the introduction of Marketplace in recent devices, the developers need some security to look forward to. So i feel this is a good move.