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[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
I've decided to abandon Android on my HD2 altogether now. There's just too many problems or bugginess with it that it just isn't as good as a nice Energy build of WinMo. All of the work they've done with Android over the months and there's still just not fit for use. Currently the best one I've found is the eVo Carbon Remix build by motoman234. But it's a Sense build and I prefer the more convenient Nexus-based builds. However, ALL of the Nexus-based builds are unusable with the number of widgets I use. And the ONLY Nexus-based build that stayed smooth scrolling with all of my widgets in place was NexusHD2. It has a touchscreen problem where the touch is intermittent.

I just can't see Android being of any use for the WP7 devices. It would never be as usable as WP7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gunz.jones:
Quality is perception and experience, not fact.

They are not the same other than they can use the same hardware. They should not be combined. Port the program, not the os.
[Windows Phone 7 General] astromex:
I work for a company developing/testing s/w for all mobile devices. I have access to all OS's and I can honestly say that IMO Windows Phone has the nicest user experience and all its lacking are features. Its only been out a week or two so give it time for the bugs to be fixed, features added and the App store to mature and it will be a cracking OS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mmelo76:
Done cleaning on a thread.

All provocative commentary of lqaddict and responses to it have been erased.

I'm leaving this notice as a last attempt to leave this topic open.

Offtopic's provocations or next, I'll close it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] markgamber:
Thank you

I gave up on custom roms altogether two years ago for the same reason. WinMo or Android, there was always at least a handful of huge bugs and/or unacceptable instability and/or limitations and/or stuff that didn't work. I wouldn't say there will NEVER be some alternative OS on these phones and I certainly wouldn't be so pompous to say that there shouldn't be some alternative OS available for those who might want it, but personally, given the speed and flexibility of these devices even now and all the afforementioned problems, I don't think I could really care less. Frankly, if I wanted an Android phone I'd have gotten one but after being spoiled by the iPhone for two years and given all the problems I've had with HTC devices in the past, I have zero interest. Fortunately, everyone is different. :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
The custom winmo ROMs are a different story to me. There are a lot of varieties available, and I have used a few, but by far the most reliable, stable and interesting of them are the Energy ROMs. I have zero problems using the one I use and it is fast, nimble and efficient. It doesn't require the constant maintenance the OEM ROM required in order to stay smooth and useful.

Before I flashed my first custom winmo on my HD2, I didn't believe guys sitting at their PCs doing these as a hobby could match or exceed a corporation who's workers were doing it for a living. But this one has shown me differently.

Android just doesn't interest me any longer, ever since using an actual Android phone for a few days. I just lost all drive to mess with it now that I have WP7. WP7 isn't any kind of a customizer's system but it is a system that is clean, smooth and exudes quality from every circuit. Android is like a mid-grade Ford sedan compared to WP7, which is more akin to a high-end Lexus or Infiniti.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
car analogies + ford using windows = lol

the lexus steers itself into a parking spot, so you don't have to think. or learn. or try new things. ;-)

anyway....

i think you would be much better off to use an android device, or iphone for taht matter when trying things with android. the wp7 devices will likely be very, very closed, very locked down, and very not fun to develop on. we're talking about developing anything other than wp7 here, so if someone flames that comment, you didn't read the entire bit.

the wp7 phone i played with @ bestbuy was very smooth (no multi-tasking) and did the very few things it did very well. only hung up when i tried to sms myself, and a reboot (i think this might be standard) fixed it quickly.

the hardware of the wp7 phones isn't going to be exactly like Android devices, and some bits will just never have drivers. unfortunately, this is a similar fate that we've been suffereing from with carriers in the US for a long time. they sell a phone, locked to their service, locked to their GSM bands, locked (no root) to their rom, and then when things go sour they expect you to just buy ANOTHER phone from them.

i'm casting a vote for open hardware, open OS's, and open information. wp7 is still very immature, and will gain some speed with enough time. hopefully some Android centric device manufacturers will release specs and drivers for anyone to play with. i'll bet it takes another 4-5 years before people realize just how much better things can be by allowing instead of limiting themselves.

give it time, you'll be able to emulate iphone hardware on the 3rd core of your wp8 device, or Android on the 2nd, all whiel playing a game AND facetime'ing your vbff.

hell, we didn't htink we'd be shooting HD video on phones not long ago ;-)
[Windows Phone 7 General] markgamber:
See, here's the problem; you assume we're just ignorant end users who haven't seen the light about android and open software and all that and it's an incorrect assumption. As a developer I've worked with tons of devices over the years and I know exactly what I want in a phone and Android isn't it. iPhone filled the position for a while but that's not it any longer, also. WP7 looks to be exactly what I want in a phone and it's going to get better. Oh...and I might also add that while I haven't had a lot of experience with it as a developer yet, it's been a blast to work with. Probably more so than the iPhone where I constantly had problems with certs and having to make sure I had the right version of OS, iTunes, XCode and iOS target and whatever other hoops needed to be jumped. It's as much fun as your imagination allows and my wife says I have a pretty good imagination. :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
Look at WP7 market now, there is even a thread here started - it is already filled with junk.

Anyway, since you are a developer reach out to MS and suggest what you would like to see in the market, and what you would like them to offer to the users.

Happy anniversary, btw.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Here's the thing...from my perspective...I like closed systems. Simple as that. But WP7 is a closed system with high-end quality. I love the iPhone and will grow even fonder of WP7 as it matures, providing MS stays with a closed system and maintains the emphasis on quality over quantity.

I've had my fill of Android and all it offers. I just...erm...it's...boring, to me. It gives me the feel of a used up hooker. It's been in every bed known to humanity.
[Windows Phone 7 General] GenkaiMade:
THANK YOU. I've just bought myself a Mozart (should arrive on Monday or Tuesday), and I've been struggling to explain why I've moved away from Android, which admittedly did everything I wanted and to a more than good enough standard - I liked it. You have, however, put exactly how I feel about it to words, and I thank you for that :P
[Windows Phone 7 General] markgamber:
Just like Apple's app store, it's 95% junk because most people don't want to put any real time into writing anything good. They're content to charge 99 cents for something they slapped together in a few hours based off one of the examples included with the SDK and there's nothing wrong with that, it's just another approach. Are you good enough to bet it all on a single dart throw or would you rather throw 100 darts that each have little value? We'll see lots of flashlights and browser extensions and all that because it's easy. But Slingplayer is already available, IM+ is porting their excellent IM app and so on. Quality software will arrive eventually, just like with Apple's app store. As I mentioned, I'd rather see that then Apple's approach of denying access to the app store for seemingly frivolous reasons like "there's too many of those" or "there's no purpose to that" or the worst, no reason at all, they just deny it. Apple's problem is that their rating system sucks. If Microsoft improves on that and expands search and sorting on their market, all will benefit.

My intention at the moment is to play around with the system, see what it does, how it works and so on while waiting to see where Microsoft goes with the system. I don't write publically available software so I can afford to wait and see what happens. I think this alleged January update will probably provide a good indication and then I can start making suggestions. Microsoft has been pretty open to outside ideas in the past.

One last thing while I'm here: "Open" software and hardware and the like is an empty promise. Android is called an "open" system because others (I don't mean hackers. They know what they're getting into and comprise a tiny percentage) can grab source code and compile it with their changes and what happens? An end user with a one-off system on his device purchases an Android app for his Android phone and it doesn't work. Is that user reaping some benefit of his open system or is he pissed because he spent money on something that doesn't work? I'd bet it's the latter. So he complains to the developer who's now pissed because he has to either account for the system difference or blow off some percentage of the user base. At best "open" is meaningless, at worse it's detrimental and, in fact, it's no secret that Google has been busy locking things down to prevent this scenerio from getting any worse than it already is. Each platform has it's pros and cons but unless you're a hacker, "open" isn't one of them.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
You describe as probably what 90% of hobbies developers who want to develop good quality apps feel - just sit and wait whether the platform takes of or lands on its behind, and in meantime all these kids developers create tip calculators and quote generators.

Well, it's a tough competition, and we should see if Redmond is up for it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] markgamber:
Yeah, there's probably a bunch of those but if previous platforms are any indication, there's all kinds of groups. IM+ has been announced for WP7 but it's not yet available because quality apps take time to write. That's why they're quality apps. :) How Slingplayer made it to the market alread is beyond me, I waited almost a full year for the iPhone version to finally make it to the app store and I'm STILL waiting for the iPad version but Slingplayer was available for WP7 like the day after they went on sale in the US. I'm sure there's a ton of quality stuff being worked on right now and they'll trickle into the market just like they did with iPhone and Android. I have no doubt Microsoft is up for it. They've made it pretty clear they're willing to do almost anything to make WP7 a success and make no mistake, they have more than enough money and influence to make that happen. It's a big and expanding market, too. It's not like they have to significantly erode existing market share to be successful. But yeah, it'll be interesting to watch over the next year and see if Microsoft learned from the mistakes made by Apple and Google or not and how it all plays out.

Personally, I think the carriers are a bigger influence on the success or failure of WP7 than Microsoft itself. I abandoned WinMo a couple years ago, not because of it's shoddy UI or it's inability to run at an acceptable speed for longer than 5 minutes but because of how the US carriers jerked around those who owned WinMo phones. Microsoft could be accused of being naive but the carriers (and HTC) were downright evil. I can tell you that if it happens again, the Focus will be my first and last WP7 phone. Apple demonstrated it was possible to provide decent equipment, service and upgrades in spite of the carriers. Hell, despite having vastly superior coverage, Apple told Verizon to get bent because when initially approached with the iPhone, Verizon's first idea was, being Verizon, to screw it's customers as hard as they could by locking out features, piling on the trash software and so on. Hopefully Microsoft learned something from watching that.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
That's indicative on where the mobile market is heading, a few years ago none thought it would be possible to stream Netflix on your mobile.

As the demand grows for on demand media while on the go we will see the development regardless of the platform if that platform wants to stay in competition.

Your only limitation is going to be unregulated ISP vote that upset a lot of Net Neutrality advocates, the service providers are limiting your ability to enjoy the media features by capping your bandwidth, etc.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
That's mainly AT&T, because of the exclusivity of the iPhone and now the weight of the iPad on their service.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
Nope other providers follow the suit, T-Mobile, Verizon, the only one that has a true unlimited data plan is Sprint in the U.S. you jsut have to pay extra for service if you want to get their 4G implementation with a compatible device.

EDIT: As it stands right now CDMA carriers in the US do not cap your bandwidth on unlimited data. There are quirks with VZW, if you use your phone as a modem/tether the situation is different. Recently though, VZW made a snafoo on their website that was offering the data plans in tier'd pricing/bandwidth, however they have apologized and the "error" was corrected.

Speculation though, the tier'd data plans are coming to VZW as well.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
I have T-Mo and don't have a data cap. And the others do it because AT&T gets away with it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
Are you using your T-Zones grandfather'd plan?

Otherwise, 5GB is all you get per month, plus if you use your phone as a tether you will have to sprang $15/mo for the same 5GB unlimited data, and the throttling applies after.

Well it does not cut off your data after 5GB is reached T-Mo will throttle you down to early 90's speed. That will get you email, but useless for anything else.

Sorry for confusion.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
I remember reading about that throttling and it was my understanding they were considering it. But my plan is Unlimited data. And I'm not on contract
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
Neither am I, but the same rules apply.

Go to you account online and check the usage section.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Either way, even if it is throttled, I have no issues with it. 5GB is 3GB higher than AT&T's data plan and 2GB is more than adequate for me.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
That's the kicker, when the carrier sees this they say ah ok, users are fine with it, wait until Hi-Def content becomes widely available, we will see how you gonna sing then.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Product F(RED):
I'm no expert on WP7, and forgive me if this has already been stated, but from my understanding, WP7 is tied to the phone's hardware on a DRM level. I'm not sure how this is any different from any other platform, but that's what I've read. So it could be a while before it happens.

That aside, I still think if you want Android, you should buy an Android phone to enjoy the real thing (unless you have very similar hardware, like the HD2 compared to my Evo).
[Windows Phone 7 General] at45:
There was an article on Radio 4 this week about posts like this. Apparently it's quite a popular teenage pastime to post things like this and find amusement in the responses.
[Windows Phone 7 General] markgamber:
It is kind of funny how some people get so bent out of shape. Who cares? You should see the iPhone crowd over on macrumors wet themselves everytime anything except an iPhone is mentioned. Gee, just a little insecure? If they grew up even just a little, people would stop screwing with them but since they find that utterly impossible, I just sit back and laugh at the results.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
So you were expecting to stir people up with your insistence that we all know your info is correct? If that's the case, I hope they stick with it. Since I can live with 2GB, I hope they drop the cap to that. People don't like being toyed with. You will do well to exercise such a nature from your existence.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Beretta1526:
Getting back to the original topic, I bought the Focus because the hardware is quite appealing more than for the OS. This particular phone is really a secondary device. I'm trying to avoid a "tablet" per se, so I'm going the 4" phone route.

The screen is better than the Captivate (at least it is when you compare the two phones I have) and the camera is outstanding. WP7 on the Focus certainly has some shortcomings, but I think the only thing that is really bothering me much right now is the hidden SSID issue. I wish the screen and camera were this nice in my Captivate. As such, I certainly wouldn't mind getting another Focus, rooting it and putting Android on it.

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[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
TMO has a plan for you - 200 MB of data, you sure will save money every month, just know you have a smartphone on your hands.

No more off topic.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Verizon is introducing Tiered Plans. There was no snafoo. It was speculation among the tech press that they would do away with their Unlimited Data Plans, and they've always stated that those weren't gonna go away.

However, Engadget still felt the need to run 2-3 stories on it, cause you know how much those guys love some drama (probably ruin 3 keyboards a day spitting out their cofee reading the comments on their site).
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
T-Mobile throttles. There's a soft cap, not a hard cap. You continue to get data past the soft cap, but the 3G speeds are so low that you mind as well just stop using you phone to get data.

However, if you switch it to edge you can get full edge speeds, which may be good enough for most things depending on what you coverage is like (if you have bad coverage you probably won't get throttled ever, though...).
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
and then you will be on here complaining your battery life is 30min.... ;)

t-mobile does not mess with your bandwith until you hit the 5gb soft cap, then you can expect speeds in the 50-80kbps range, most applications will time out before the data loads.

Sprint also has a 5gb soft cap, though they don't ever seem to enforce it.

learned that lesson my first month on t-mobile... :o

doesn't matter, they will throttle you over 5gb. They even send you a text letting you know you are getting throttled.

Never mattered on sprint, I couldn't ever use enough data on their slow azz 3g to reach 5gb anyways.

I don't see hi-def streaming as realistic with current technology.

I will try that next time I get throttled. Hasn't happened since my first month, but with netflix streaming, who knows..
[Windows Phone 7 General] ceesheim:
just a stupid Question : what is netflix ?
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Netflix.com
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
netflix.com is a streaming and dvd rental site. For 8.99/ month you get unlimited streaming of movies and tv shows they have available. Apparently only available in the usa and recently canada. Works very well over wifi and 3g on their mobile viewer without any extra costs (I already have a netflix subscription).
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dbiggss:
Any help would be appreciated. I am fairly new to modding android phones, so I wanted to make sure I get pointed in the right direction before I cause more damage.

I was messing around (like an idiot) and somehow screwed up the

/system/framework/framework-res.apk

My phone is now stuck in a continuous boot loop, but I can get into the bootloader. The phone is rooted and it is S=off.

Again, any assistance is greatly appreciated.
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gaww:
If you made a backup, or can get a copy of the ROM and copy it to your SD card, you may be able to use recovery to restore it.

If recovery is also messed up - good luck.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] imaginaryD:
Looking for a ROM for my HTC Dream/G1

I want SPEEEEEEEEEED

That's pretty much it...and maybe, a black status bar (because it looks ALOT nicer!)

Here is what I have narrowed it down to:

Sparksmod 1.3 vs. SuperCSDi v4 vs. Fast Test 3.1.1

thanks in advance :)

Also, a tutorial on rooting, and loading ROMS onto the device would be nice :)

I'm extremely new to this (I have jailbroken iPods, not that it's revelent to this subject at all, just putting it out there)
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] cloneman1:
I felt 2.1 CM5 Was too slow so I went back to 1.6 stock.

There are faster ones? I didn't know...
[HD7 General] octavio79:
I always had my HTC Tilt 2 playing music in my car through bluetooth. Now with my new HD7 I noticed the sound quality is very bad. It sounds like its streams at a low bit rate so all the high frequencies create crackling distorted. Overall sound doesn't have any richness to it. I use the BlackBerry Remote Stereo Bluetooth Gateway: http://www.amazon.com/BlackBerry-Re...M0/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&qid=1289972227&sr=8-11. The quality of the Tilt 2 paired up with it was really good. I think they need to fix this pronto.
[HD7 General] Adam86:
Yeh I have the same problem too, its exactly the same if I use 3.5mm jack aux too, just far too quiet, causes so much distortion, neither bluetooth or 3.5mm sound any better. If you put headphones in you can tell there isnt enough volume at all.

Really needs fixing, seems more of a software issues as I've seen people with various WP7 models complaining about low volume.

Right now I'm having to use my old Touch Pro for audio streaming in the car.
[HD7 General] Mujja:
Mine sounds great through headphones and car stereo (BT).

In the car I prefer the sound to my iPhone 3GS through BT and line out.

And the volume is loud enough using Ultimate Ears 5vi IEMs with plenty if bass

Enable the SRS Surround
[HD7 General] foaf:
Sound quality is always in the ear of the beholder, so difficult to fully compare what people consider good or bad.

I find the internal speaker, headphones and line-out (via 3.5mm) too quiet. Quality seems ok from the 3.5mm jack though.

But I tested the BT recently and at high volume it didn't sound very good on a beefy car stereo (with sub). I was disappointed, but had no basis for comparison at the time.
[HD7 General] serapthi:
I have this issue too. I'm using the Sony DRBT140Q. The audio sounds perfect when connected to my G1 and Sennheiser BTD-300. But when connected to the HD7 the sound turns kind of...fuzzy on the mids. Gonna go try out other HD7s at the T-mobile store and see if it's a problem with my handset.
[HD7 General] Laphroaig:
I also have this issue. With wired headphones the sound is OK, but with bluetooth audio the sound is bad. I tested it with a jabra BT3030 and with a SonyEricsson MW600. The sound is good with both Headsets when they are connected to my notebook.
[HD7 General] xma1e:
HTC are not known for good blutooth support, I was hoping they would get their act together with this phone.
[HD7 General] loomx:
3.5 jack is fine, but bluetooth quality is aweful! was fine on the HD2.

On BT, the bass and mids are ok, but the highs are terrible, they are really crackly/distorted. You can get away with it on dance, because its not too noticable, but in Rock music, it just sounds ****e.
[HD7 General] Adam86:
If you have the phoned paired via Bluetooth Sound Enhancer makes no difference to the sound whatsoever. Even if connecting to 3.5mm and using sound enhancer it sounds terrible in my car.

Think I'm just gonna have to carry on using my Touch Pro 2 until something is changed with the volume. I just think there isnt enough, you have it too loud its distorted so you turn it down and then turn the radio up but its no better because you get a lot of hiss etc.