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[Vibrant General] zerosource:
it doesn't really matter we get 2.2 or 2.3(your dream only) or not. It only matters they sell it more or even more.
[Vibrant General] KGaines:
Well, I can almost guarantee that the Froyo update is gonna be held until after the holiday season. T-Mobile is as guilty as Samsung for this. They think that people will opt for the newer phones with 2.2 and don't want their sales diminished by having it available on older handsets.

Personally, I don't think the average consumer cares that much. Only people like us and similar communities keep on top of what each version does better than it's predecessor.

In the end, you're far better off flashing one of the ROMs here anyway. I've got buddies at work still kickin' it with the G1 due to it's versatility. Why would I want the 2.2 update from T-mobile? Crappy TouchWiz, bloatware and all that nastiness. Only thing I can see it useful for is if I wanted to send in the phone for warranty work.
[Vibrant General] Rodriguez92:
+1 im on the onyx rom right now and tell you the truth the only thing i want an official 2.2 froyo from tmobile would be to iron out the very lil tiny things thats wrong on this rom other than that i can care less ..

as for gingerbread 2.3 im pretty sure we will have it due to the amazing work of people like som, viral, eugene, and master.
[Vibrant General] lqaddict:
I am running an unofficial Froyo ROM, and yet to find "wrong", ymmv.
[Vibrant General] reuthermonkey:
Well, considering that a Vibrant Froyo ROM already leaked, either that Samsung Rep is full of crap (likely), or Engadget staff is (even MORE likely).

If that were the case, ATT, Sprint, and Verizon would all have released Froyo for their GalaxyS devices. So yeah, I pin the blame on Samsung...
[Vibrant General] CharlieBoy808:
I do find it hard to believe that t-mobile is to blame here considering the other galaxy s devices that have yet to implement as well.

And yes it's true a rom here would be a lot better. Not to say that an official rom would be terrible. All roms have bugs, but you would think by now that samsung would want the best for their consumers. Even if they don't know what 2.2 is. Oh and if you were wondering, yes I'm still on the stock rom. I'm just not ready to redo all my settings on my phone when I update to a new rom.
[Vibrant General] lqaddict:
Yeah, I am frustrated with the Samsung heading into Android as well.

They marketed Galaxy S as a such a great phone (which it is) with the ability to upgrade it to the latest (at the time of the launch) OS within months, yet they have released new hardware - Galaxy Tab - with 2.2, and keep the Galaxy S phone users out dry - thanks to these boards I do not have to rely on them, but I did void the warranty by rooting my device and installing the custom ROM. And now they are already marketing Gingerbread platform that will ultimately become second Google dev phone, and again let everyone dry on a Galaxy S phone market.

I do want to get the real Google phone, and knowing that I don't have to rely on the carriers to release the update for me, but seeing how it will be a Samsung device makes me uneasy.
[Vibrant General] Krzysiek_CK:
Nexus S could be a good thing. Very good hardware, Samsung, combined with the best OS development, Google.
[Vibrant General] iynfynity:
Can't google release the firmwares to our phone?
[Vibrant General] raduque:
Plug in a set of headphones or an AUX cable to a stereo with no microphone built in and make a call. You'll find something wrong then.

Oh yeah, do you have an external SD card bigger than 2gb? If so, try copying more than 2gb of data to it.
[Vibrant General] lqaddict:
Nope, because it is in the hands of Samsung.

Google release the OS to the manufacturers and carriers, and it trickledowns from there.

The exception Nexus One, since it is a Google phone made by HTC.
[Vibrant General] raduque:
According to T-Mobile, Google is the one that pushed out the 2.2 OTA for the myTouch3g 1.0.

Google can't push out updates for phones like the Vibrant, Droid X, HTC Evo, etc. because of TouchWiz, Motoblur and Sense. Google has absolutely no way to update those manufacturer customizations, they can only push stock android to devices.
[Vibrant General] lqaddict:
AUX

I see. That's why I don't see any wrong I am not using that feature.

SD card.

I didn't see that, hmm will see if I can source a bigger card.

Did you try unmounting the card from the phone and mounting back? I had issues when I flashed 2.2 with my external card, but re-mounting on the phone resolved it.
[Vibrant General] lolcopter:
mine works fine
[Vibrant General] iynfynity:
Screw Samsung!! Google releases update quickly than Samsung right?
[Vibrant General] smeadow:
Samsung is busy kicking out leading edge hardware with little resources available to post sales support. So far samsung has distanced themselves from competitors while alienating some customers. A mistake maybe, a gamble definitely. Going past the holidays presents the lose of existing customers, they've need to make gesture soon.
[Vibrant General] raduque:
You're talking about a plain old set of headphones that DO NOT have a mic built in? Or an AUX cable to a stereo (again, with NO MIC)? And you get call audio through the headphones and use the phone's built-in mic?

That's funny, because if so, you're the only one that it works for.

Remember: NO MIC BUILT INTO THE HEADPHONES.

Yeah, you won't see any problems if you use an inline mic, or a headset w/mic. I have a plain, no mic AUX cable to my car stereo - I listen to music, and when a call comes in I answer it and call audio comes through my car speakers and I talk using the phone's built-in mic.

As for the SD, yeah, I tried re-mounting it on the phone, and even formatting it on the phone too, but nothing fixed the fact that it was only showing up as a 2.2gb drive in Windows' Device Manager.
[Vibrant General] Ms_Vibrant:
The galaxy s is a fine device with really good hardware.. and I really don't have a big of an urge to have froyo, though it would be nice if i could have it on my phone.. but i think samsung is just behind in other aspects knowing that the mobile industry is very highly competitive... from a business perspective, samsung may be all about their sales and profit while ignoring oring their customers' complaints and needs... it's pretty obvious that majority of smarphone users are not power users, nor do they even know what the android os is, but still, samsung must deliver and execute an effective strategy that can refrain the power users from considering another brand.. htc and motorola are doing well in supporting their devices, samsung must do the same if they want to remain in the competition..

what i dont understand is.. what is preventing them from releasing an update that the end-users yearn for when the tab is already on 2.2 and Europe has it too.. oh, it must the customizations from different carriers that is hindering and prolonging the said update.. ughh..
[Vibrant General] DMaverick50:
I wonder what our xda devs think, I feel like many of the awesome devs here couldve led a team to get froyo on the Vibrant and had it done long, long ago. Then again I know nothing about development so I'd be interested to read what the more experienced devs think, is it reasonable for it to take this long in the hands of skilled devs? Or does it seem like an incapable personnel problem at Samsung?

Anyway, i would think Sam would want to release it before xmas because after tethering, flash, more ram, all kinds of improvements its like a whole new generation of SGS it gives them a whole new advertising campaign. At least thats how I see it, when i got froyo for my nexus it was like getting a whole new phone.

Maybe people who dont know better will not miss 2.2, but considering its massive popularity, eventually the very ubiquitous SGS is going to be so far behind that it will become prominent news and even novice Android owners are going to take Samsung's inability to update into account when it comes time to replace their SGS. Surely Samsung realizes this.

Personaly I absolutely love their hardware, Ive had three HTC Androids and this one Samsung and its my favorite hardware, but Samsung is now at least below HTC and Moto when I look for my next phone, updates are way more important than Samsung wants them to be.
[Vibrant General] lqaddict:
Google releases the update as soon as possible, and due to so called "fragmentation" of Android devices the other manufacturers have to make the software run for their devices, then there are these stinky carriers that want to put their crap on it on top.

Ask N1 crowd how long it took them to get 2.2 once it was officially announced by Google.
[Vibrant General] N8ter:
Don't think many people have issues with Samsung's hardware. It's their Software that sucks, and the support.

MotoBlur in the Droid X and HTC Sense is miles ahead of TouchWiz in both performance, features, and widgets.

The Support issues on top of that makes it worse.

No one expected a perfect phone. What we expected was the updates and fixes to be produced and delivered in a timely fashion. Samsung has failed on an epic scale on that front. That is where the issues lie.

Without the SuperAMOLED screen on Galaxy S phones, they wouldn't even be worth it compared to something like a Droid X, Evo 4G, or Droid 2. That was the only feature that was exclusive to it that really made a difference (the GPU is good but it isn't all that much better than the Droid X GPU). "But the Screen is incredible" can only hold you over so long. They need to deliver. This is a big deal. Galaxy S was not a no-brand line of devices marketed primarily through a useless Engadget review by a company from some Third World Country.
[Vibrant General] N8ter:
Baking the carrier apps into the firmware doesn't take much effort. All you do is install it into the base package and QA those applications to make sure they run correctly. It has to be done even for Google's Applications.

The big deal is the Skins they put on top of Android and other functionality that needs to be baked into the OS.

However Moto and HTC don't seem to be having as many problems with that as Samsung.
[Vibrant General] reuthermonkey:
Google still had to wait on HTC for even the G1. Seriously, does no one remember how long we waited for Cupcake?

You need both Android OS (from Google) and the device drivers for your phone for Android to work properly on your phone.

So while Google updates quickly, EVERY device has to wait for manufacturers to update their drivers.
[Vibrant General] Tpavey:
All this talk makes me like the WP7 model, in theory the should all get updates as soon as ms releases them. Which is what gingerbread was rumored to do, but it doesn't look to be the case.
[Vibrant General] raduque:
I never had a G1 till recently...

In fact, till I got my myTouch3G October 09, I barely even paid attention to Android.
[Vibrant General] reuthermonkey:
Fair nuff.

Unfortunately, I understand why there's confusion, since Google hosts and pushes out the OTA updates for many devices (I believe only the "with Google" devices?)
[Vibrant General] adamcooks:
i believe the behold II was a "with google" device
[Vibrant General] Oyeve:
yes it was and I NEVER received the 1.6 update, even to this day. I got the Vibrant in July and am about to give up on Samsung. Twice they lied to me and I am sure there are others who have been lied to more than my 2 devices.
[Vibrant General] reuthermonkey:
I meant to be more clear: If a manufacturer has an update available for their "with Google" device, then Google seems to host it on their server.
[Vibrant General] turbosix:
voided warranty? dude, give me a ****in break. odin back to stock and there you go, warranty restored and no one will be the wiser.

to say that rooting your phone or custom software voids a hardware warranty is absolute horse**** for these phones.

its like a car dealership trying to void your warranty on your car because you put a K&N filter and borla exhaust on it which were completely unrelated to the failure.
[Vibrant General] N8ter:
Phones aren't cars.

When will people stop using these stupid comparisons.

Yes, you warranty is voided if you mod your phone. It's not the same as installing a userspace application on the device, which obviously is supported. It's been that way for years. Even WinMo modders did it with the understanding that they would void their warranties.

Those of us without broken moral compasses simply don't do it if we want to get supported without lying about the events that led to issues with our devices.
[Vibrant General] lqaddict:
Horse**** or not, I am putting it out there for all "Help I bricked my phone by doing so and so", "I bricked my phone and need to return it to TMO", etc. threads, if people are not adults enough to accept the responsibility for their actions they should stay away from modding their phones. I do not want to pay their insurance claims, etc.
[Vibrant General] allthrottle:
Samsung obviously isnt in a moral dilemma that they have sold over a million galaxy s's with a boat load of issues and have provided little to no support for them. I'd have no moral issues doing a warranty exchange on mine if I ruined mine attempting to correct the issues they left my $500 phone with. End of story.
[Vibrant General] N8ter:
Domt buy samsung. I think many of us learned lessons from this phone.

Doesnt make your wrong a right, however.

The bigger issue is tmobile only having a 14 day return policy imo, and im dropping them in a couple weeks because of that and this phone.
[Vibrant General] masterotaku:
Just so you're clear, one of the things that google does for the Open Handset Alliance is take responsibility for pushing OTA's. So when T-Mobile tells you that Google pushed out the OTA they are being accurate, because handling OTA updates is a service that Google provides to OHA members.

That has nothing to do with who is responsible for developing the firmware. Google has no role whatsoever in making manufacturer firmwares or carrier customizations. This is also the case with vanilla Android OS phones, with the notable exception of the Nexus One.
[Vibrant General] smutek:
Hey, just a heads up -

I called T-Mobile on Monday and complained about my Vibrant. The main things I cited was the lag, stock email issues, battery life, and the poor communication / lack of updates from Samsung.

I've had the phone for a couple of months now so they couldn't do any type of direct trade for me but they did ask me what other phone I was interested in. I told them I had done some research on, and was interested in, the G2 so they are sending me one at the discounted/upgrade rate.

They applied the mail in rebate over the phone so total cost to me is $200. It's also shipping pretty quickly - I spoke to them on Monday morning, UPS shipping shows the phone will be delivered today (Wednesday).

I'm happy with this and as long as I can sell my Vibrant for $200 I will break even.

I figured I'd mention that. It might be an option for you to try instead of switching carriers.
[Vibrant General] brian_v3ntura:
so wait..you complained about the vibrant, was able to get the g2 at a subsidized price without contract extension and still get to keep your vibrant? =) i might as well do that as well
[G2 and Desire Z General] stian230:
So I got my Z yesterday. thought i root it today, the easy way with the terminal so downloaded:

wpthis-Z.ko and

hboot_7230_0.84.2000_100908.nb0

I Had over 50% battery and full root access. Everything was going great until I try reboot the phone and it would not start up again. Now it's completely dead no lights when I charge, no buttons work. Dead.:confused:
[G2 and Desire Z General] steviewevie:
Oh no ! :eek:

Which guide were you following to do it ? Do you think you might have type the wrong destination partition when you did the "dd" to copy the hboot across ?
[G2 and Desire Z General] stian230:
This One http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=835777it is very strange . i dont understand
[G2 and Desire Z General] steviewevie:
So how far did you get ? Did all the rooting go ok ? And then it only went wrong after you dd'd the new hboot and then rebooted the phone ?
[G2 and Desire Z General] stian230:
Rooting whent ok but after the dd and try to reboot . dead.
[G2 and Desire Z General] steviewevie:
I can only guess that either the hboot image was corrupted, or you somehow typed the "dd" command wrong, so that something else was overwritten.

Either way, it doesn't sound good, but I hope someone else can come up with some sort of miracle for you.

I presume leaving it on charge doesn't help ? Just in case the battery has died too much (and the 50% charge it said wasn't really accurate).
[G2 and Desire Z General] stian230:
I have rooted some phones in the past. but nothing like this has happened to me before.

most likely corrupt img I tink. :mad:

but its very strange that it comply dead !
[G2 and Desire Z General] steviewevie:
Do you still have a copy of the hboot that you downloaded ? Because you could compare the MD5 checksum on that to see if it was corrupted.
[G2 and Desire Z General] stian230:
right I have on my pc, thanks steviewevie. hm back to the old N1. crappy ****
[G2 and Desire Z General] JupiterDroid:
I think its send to htc time, just say you was flashing a ruu and it turned off and went dead;) plead ignorance always;)

JD

Sent from my HTC Desire Z Beast
[G2 and Desire Z General] stian230:
Yes I gess you right JD. waiting for Monday to come . :cool:
[G2 and Desire Z General] Duppsko:
Is it possible that the hboot-file doesn't work with the nordic DZ's?

I probably have the same batch of the norwegian model like Stian, and got perm-root without any problems using the same guide.

S-OFF on the other hand didn't work.. It made my phone enter a infinite boot loop, so it didn't get any further than the "Quietly brilliant"-screen... Luckily, the phone wasn't bricked, so I could enter bootloader and reset to factory..

For the record; i checked the MD5 checksums, and used adb shell on my computer so that I could copy/paste the "dd"-command hence preventing any typo's...
[G2 and Desire Z General] AnyDone:
I'm very keen on finding an answer to this. I'm getting my Finnish version and would like to get it rooted etc but if the hboot does no work we will be out of luck? Unless someone finds a new one somewhere?
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
I'm sure VISIONary r14 has perm root without flashing a new hboot.
[G2 and Desire Z General] AnyDone:
Sure about that? Seems I missed it completely that it can be done without flashing hboot? Doesn't hboot mount it r-o again after restart?
[G2 and Desire Z General] stian230:
I don't have the nordic edition , I order my from expansys.
[G2 and Desire Z General] DanWilson:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=846223

It is now r14 - but perm root was incorporated in r12.
[G2 and Desire Z General] stian230:
MD5 checksums:

2ce1bdd5e4c1119ccfcecb938710d742

2CE1BDD5E4C1119CCFCECB938710D742 so the file was not corrupt. does anyone have new theories ??? :o going to call htc to tomorrow
[G2 and Desire Z General] stian230:
Just call me Mr.Brick or "the Bricker :mad:boy"
[G2 and Desire Z General] ddotpatel:
Can you get into fastboot?

If not then you probably wont be able to do a thing. Except JTAG.

Have you tried a power cycle by any chance? Take out battery, hold power button for 10 seconds with NO battery installed. Sometimes it works miracles.
[G2 and Desire Z General] jark99:
That saved me on my galaxy s when i thought it was full brick but was only semi :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] stian230:
No fastboot everything is dead , but I gona try this power cycle tinge . thanks
[G2 and Desire Z General] stian230:
sorry but the power cycle tinge did not work
[G2 and Desire Z General] gtrab:
Sorry to hear that...

This won't make things easy but I have a theory:

maybe you wrote mmcbklOpl8 instead of zero p one eight

Today morning I was thinking about that, that somebody could mistake the 1 for "l" or the 0 for "o", so I updated the guide

HTC can still fully reflash your phone

I'm hoping to hear good news from you soon

:)
[G2 and Desire Z General] stian230:
Thanks. Htc customer service opens in 1.5 hours so we'll see what they say, I'm a little unsure of what to say to them? There are no updates for Hz on htc's website that I can blame. And I wrote zero not o but I did something wrong :rolleyes: next time I will copy and past
[G2 and Desire Z General] steviewevie:
Surely that wouldn't cause any real harm though, because there won't be a real partition with an "O" in ? So if you did that, you wouldn't get S-OFF, but you wouldn't get a brick either.

I can only assume somehow it got written to the wrong partition.
[G2 and Desire Z General] stian230:
Very good customer service expansys:). TNT going to pick up my phone this evening when expansys receive the wild they send a new one.The sweet lady at eXpansys believed that the My new phone will come before the weekend.
[G2 and Desire Z General] ddotpatel:
Your a lucky guy. I'm surprised no-one has given you a telling off yet. Don't do it again.
[G2 and Desire Z General] stian230:
hi hi hi just cal me brickerboy. 'll try to do it right next time.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Becksman:
Maybe you should replace that "Unlockr" picture in your signature with a picture saying "Brickr" ;)
[G2 and Desire Z General] gtrab:
When you get your new handy, I have a gift for you to ease your bricking pain:

I have released a permanently overclocked kernel (stock kernel, no Frankenstein implanted/adapted kernels)
[G2 and Desire Z General] stian230:
You have a good point I should remove it.:rolleyes:

Sweet thanks . I don't want another brick. :eek:
[G2 and Desire Z General] buzmay:
What did you tell them?? I am curious and glad for you :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] stian230:
I said that the phone is dead nothing more . no problem, she said you get a new I did not Ned

to example anything .:D
[G2 and Desire Z General] stuart.q:
My HTC Desire Z is also fully bricked except I have not had the charge light come on yet... it's been on charge for maybe an hour.

The strange thing is my phone has been rebooted on numerous occasions since root and S-OFF... I just wonder whether the phone may have gotten a little wet during my ride home (on a motorbike) and perhaps the device may be water damaged. It was in a safe pocket in my jacket and didn't appear to have been affected...

I have power cycled the device, held power while battery was removed but still nothing.

Also, I checked the MD5SUM of both files before copying them over...

I ran lsusb on my ubuntu machine with the device connected but the phone is not showing in the list.

Oh, and for the record, I used this method for root and S-OFF - http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=834950
[G2 and Desire Z General] steviewevie:
Unfortunately you've used an old method to get S-OFF, the new one at http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=857390 gives better possibilities from recover from bricks/semi-bricks (I've PM'd the mods to ask them to flag that old thread as outdated).

Sounds like your phone has just died though, rather than you doing something to it to brick it. Thinking out loud but I wonder if something like very cold weather has killed it (or the battery at least ?). Sounds like it's going to have to be returned under warranty.

It's not just something silly like the battery not seating properly, is it ? e.g. try fiddling with the battery with it plugged in and the battery cover off.
[G2 and Desire Z General] stuart.q:
Thanks for the suggestion.

I have fiddled with the battery but no, nothing appears to work.

To give more background, I had rooted my phone using this guide and had installed Cyanogenmod 6.01 (?) RC4.

Everything was great until I got home tonight and pulled the phone from my pocket. It was off and couldn't be powered back on...

Maybe you're right - it could have been the weather or something...
[G2 and Desire Z General] stuart.q:
Crazy stuff... Phone just came on and booted straight to recovery... then powered off....
[G2 and Desire Z General] steviewevie:
If it's still acting weird then I still suspect it did either get wet or too cold (or both perhaps).