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[Windows Phone 7 General] nok_fusion:
it's official the release of the update "NODO" will be out the second half of March

http://windowsphone.frogz.fr/post/2...r-NoDo-en-video-et-date-de-disponibilite.aspx
[Windows Phone 7 General] Crimson Lotus:
Apple is OEM of the iPhone.

Apple has one model/hardware to deal w/ while Android & WP7 has different model from different OEMs, why do you think the N1 & NS gets update before any other Android device out there.(correct me if I'm wrong)

See my point?

:rolleyes:
[Windows Phone 7 General] tfouto:
Update delayed

Update will come on second half of March...

Maybe day 21...

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft...do-to-arrive-in-the-second-half-of-march/8888
[Windows Phone 7 General] keyboardP:
Stop using logic, dammit!
[Windows Phone 7 General] keyboardP:
I've written a blog post on this whole pre-update thing. No doubt, some will disagree with it, but I figured I'd put forward my perspective on this. Don't worry, this isn't a plug - I don't get any revenue from my blog ;) - but it seems that some people are ignoring certain aspects of this.
[Windows Phone 7 General] redd12345:
NODO update

Since Sprint is looking at releasing the HTC Arrive on March 20th, I would think that the update would be on the device at release to avoid update issues and unhappy customers from the get-go. The 21st would seem reasonable as to give Sprint the proprietary release of the update and make loyal Sprint customers feel as though they have one up on the existing wp7 market place.

Red.

Ps. No I don't work for Sprint. I work for another provider though, lol.
[Windows Phone 7 General] santacruzdz:
The Update will come in the second half of March (OFFICIAL)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFl7LVVjPxU&feature=player_embedded
[Windows Phone 7 General] nathantw:
What I don't seem to understand and I admit that I don't know a lot about phones and such, but why do we need to wait until a new phone comes out before we get a bug fix (patch) or new features (Nokia)? If it's fixing problems and maybe adding one or two features why isn't it just released when it's tested and ready? Is it so the people that buy the new phones will think they're special and have things that everyone else have been waiting for months to get?
[Windows Phone 7 General] keyboardP:
An official post on how the entire update process works has been posted on the Windows Phone Blog.
[Windows Phone 7 General] kreativemindz02160:
Them sound like good features to have, but kid your self we'er talking about Microsoft here. They cant keep up with apples ios nor google android. by the time we see some of the features we should have had at lunch wp7 will be yesterdays news or some one makes a compatible android rom for wp7 them we can i all the features we want.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kroketboer:
when does the marketplace gets available for other countries? MS doesnt say a **** bout that
[Windows Phone 7 General] renegadEEE:
It's safe to say that the support will come with the mango update and the release of nokia devices.
[Windows Phone 7 General] markomarkogame:
According to this , updating should be easy: Wp7 update

my hd7 sure will be updated when it comes
[Windows Phone 7 General] kkrull:
Automatic Phone muting...

I loved the feature in WM6.x that allowed if you had an exchange calendar appointment your phone would automatically mute itself during the appointment and unmute itself after.
[Windows Phone 7 General] kkrull:
Appointment reminder choices

I would appreciate the ability to be able to set another reminder for an appointment.

For example I would like to plan something a few weeks out and a reminder for several days in advance. When that reminder comes due I would like to set the next reminder for just a half hour.

Planning a sitter, or reconfirming a meeting or adding a previously unmentioned location for example are good reasons to set the first reminder several days in advance.
[Windows Phone 7 General] markomarkogame:
If i would have to choose between multitasking and copy-paste, i would go for Multitasking.

Btw guys, wp7 got 10,000 apps yesterday!
[Windows Phone 7 General] Mogreen:
Ok! if you have the last one put it instead of westing your time to blabla....
[Windows Phone 7 General] hessian123:
still awaiting for the new update, can wiah have chinese input later
[Windows Phone 7 General] roycio:
Spanish keyboard for Tmous HD7

I'm hoping that with the update we will get the opportunity to switch languages in Tmous HD7 keyboard. I've been patiently waiting for a long time. According to THIS it was T-Mobile’s decision to only include English.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nathantw:
I'm hoping the new update (or any update) will include an option so that we can leave the display on for more than 5 minutes or that we can do away with the screen that needs to be moved out of the way once the unit is turned on, or at least have different display time options for being plugged in and not being plugged into an electrical outlet.

I would also like to have the alarm only have vibrate instead of only being able to make a noise.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Andrew725:
For the Focus (and the Venue Pro I would assume) I don't think that would be an option due to the AMOLED displays. I think the short screen lock is there on purpose to preserve the life of the screen.

Maybe these updates can be phone specific :confused:
[Windows Phone 7 General] Halle:
Since modern SAMOLED screens lasts for years, I doubt that is the purpose. Latest I read was the blue pixels (the ones that degrade first) lasts for over 14 000 hours (8hrs a day, full brightness for 5 years).

Btw, what's the point in having the screen turned on just lying there for long periods of time?
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
I am trying to see the value of an always on screen as well but I am drawing a blank.

Desk Clock mode?

Maybe watching refreshes on a browser (like a box score for a sport)?

Playing a really slow game of chess?

The most important update I would like to see is a policy update. I need Microsoft to open up these APIs so I can get Skype and Whatsapp.
[Windows Phone 7 General] The Gate Keeper:
check out the MIX 2011 conference coming up in April. Supposedly MS will go through quite a bit then about what they will introduce for WP API.
[Windows Phone 7 General] pencilcase:
This post is unfortunately not about NEEDS but what we KNOW is coming in future updates.

For needs, please check my signature :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] bazx:
add vpn to the list
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
I doubt VPN is coming. They're going to push UAG-style remote access.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
PC World has a good grid of Windows Phone, iOS, and Android features comparison. Should we change it to reflect the market and what is missing? Or that will cause too much of a war?

Here is the chart:
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
I thought WP7 IE implementation supports HTML5.
[Windows Phone 7 General] naplesbill:
That list is very misleading and incomplete.

Android does not have any built in integration with Twitter without a 3rd party add-on (which is mostly the same with Facebook). Also, there is no visual voicemail for Android on AT&T devices, so that is 3rd party also. Additionally, show me an XBOX Live app for iOS or Android. If it exists, it's news to me.

As for the missing features, multitasking is there (and used by core apps for now), C&P/HTML5/Silverlight/Flash/Universal search have all been confirmed to be added in future updates. Flash will never be added to iOS. The Exchange support is essentially the same across all devices right now, however it is likely to improve vastly on WP7. Visual Voicemail is possible using Google Voice. Internet tethering has already been discovered and enabled on the Focus. There is removable storage (not swappable), albeit with some caveats.

So, as you should be able to see, this comparison chart is so full of half-truths and inaccuracies that it's rendered essentially useless in my book.

I forgot to say, what the other OSs are calling integration is pathetic next to the level of integration offered on WP7 for Facebook.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tbk21:
I hope in the future update they add rtsp:// streaming.

This should be something simple but every time i try, my phone says: internet explorer mobile doesn't support this type of address.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
But you know most of the things you are saying is reflected in the chart. It states Android does not have Twitter natively but is achieved via 3rd party add on.

There are indeed XB Live apps. Android has one here and I am sure a google search will show one for iOS too.

Multitasking was also reserved for core applications in pre iOS and was also achieved by 3rd party apps like proswitcher, but people do not consider the iPhone to have multitasking until iOS 4.

I do see your point. A simple checkbox does not tell the full story. But in an effort for simplicity I think the general public may just need to know if it is there or not. It will be someone's opinion about the rest.

Edit: Ripping my phone apart to find a glued on microSD card is not my idea of removeable storage. Neither is it the manufacturers of Windows phones since in the specs they also say non-removeable. And out of 9 launch phones only one has tethering thru a hack. We know some of these missing features will be easy to add. We know we will get some sooner and will have to wait on others later. We also know WP7 has things that the others do not. The foundation is good and after a handful of updates Windows Phone will be a beast.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sarasera:
Danish and probably other language

Its promised in early 2011:

Danish Dictionary

Danish letter æøå on the qwerty

Maybe it will also be posibel to translate o.s. to danish.

And - not knowing when - acces from denmark to app-market.
[Windows Phone 7 General] slighmd:
Thats a lot of x's in WP7. I hope Microsoft turns them into check marks soon
[Windows Phone 7 General] tbk21:
Only windows phone 7 has MICROSOFT OFFICE, the iphone and android have third party apps to read office files. Those apps don't have the same functionality as a windows phone. And windows phone has a lot of twitter clients. So why is there no check. This sheet is apparently made by an iphone or android fanboy. And why no removable storage, the focus has got it. I understand not all windows phones have it. But not all android phones have HTC sense.
[Windows Phone 7 General] AceofSpades25:
Lol... It hardly counts as removable storage if the phone stops working the moment you remove the card, and if the data on the card cannot be read by any other device.

You certainly couldn't hot-swap the card and expect to keep using the phone as it was.

This is def. a major issue and one that is not likely to be fixed, given it is a hardware issue.

It don't know why I bother trying to convince Balmer worshipers... You're so caught up with this new platform that you've lost all objectivity. Microsoft can do no wrong in your eyes... it makes it difficult for people to take you seriously. You guys put the apple fan base to shame.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
How can it be an issue when its working as designed???
[Windows Phone 7 General] AceofSpades25:
It's an issue because this is something most smart phone users (with the exception of apple drones) expect from their smart phones.

The ability to hot swap SD cards.

Upgrade SD cards without resetting their phone.

Read those same SD cards with other devices.

The fact that WP7 devices can't do this is a failure of the platform when compared to others.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
no, its not a failure because 90% of the users out there DON'T do this.

They made the memory like this so it would read and write faster and I must say that they have succeeded at doing so.

If it was such an important feature, then apple market share wouldn't be what it is, while winmo is almost dead.

I'm not saying I'm agreeing or disagreeing with it, just that was Microsoft's decision on it and so far I'm loving the smoothness of the phone because of it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] AceofSpades25:
It's laughable that you assume apple owes its success to the numerous limitations they have applied to their platform.

Apple WAS successful because they were way ahead of their time. Android are now overtaking them rapidly because Steve Jobs is an idiot.

The fact that WP7 have been trying to emulate Apple and not Android is a cause for serious concern.

I am a Microsoft developer, I love developing Microsoft products. The only reason I post here is because I want WP7 to succeed, I'll be forced to carry one soon, unfortunately the path they have started heading down is pure evil.
[Windows Phone 7 General] naplesbill:
I would say your logic is flawed. It's not a case of limitations creating success for Apple, it's a case of some limitations (the expandable storage in particular) not being important enough to most users to matter.

I don't know many people who even know what it means to hot-swap a MicroSD anyway. In addition to that, the way WP7 handles the added memory is much more preferable to most people. Because it becomes a seamless addition to memory, there is no need to determine where you want to sync your media or files to.

Compare this with the Samsung Captivate on Android, I had this phone for 28 days. It comes with internal memory and a MicroSD slot. What makes it ridiculous is that the "internal" memory is actually mounted as SDCARD, so when you add an "external" SD card it is mounted under SDCARD/SD. This is far from user friendly. To me, this is a poor design.

I much prefer the way WP7 handles the added memory.
[Windows Phone 7 General] naplesbill:
The thing I'm saying about this list, and what makes it misleading, is that most of those features cannot be compared in a chart at all. So, you say there are XBOX apps for Android and possible iOS. Well, do they help you achieve gamer points by playing games on the phone? Do they tie in to XBOX apps for the same purpose, in addition to allowing you to play consecutively between devices? Just saying there is an XBOX app doesn't tell anybody anything. This is nothing more than being able to see your XBOX Live account on your phone.

The same goes for the so-called facebook integration. I have owned multiple iOS and Android devices. There is no comparison at all to how iOS and Android handle facebook integration vs WP7.

That is the point. If you create a chart with massive inequities, it needs to be explained at the bottom of the chart. This chart makes no effort to convey actual functionality or usage. A chart for the sake of a chart is pointless. It needs to convey actual usage vs some checkbox nonsense. I would expect more from a major publication. This is just more lazy or biased journalism. It's one or the other lately.

I did not have to take anything apart to add a MicroSD card to my Samsung Focus. The MicroSD slot is exposed and usable. Yes, there are some issues with cards with low random access performance. I have used two different cards already, and neither had this issue. This is definitely something that should have been both tested and published.
[Windows Phone 7 General] AceofSpades25:
:D That just makes no sense... My logic is sound because I claim that apples success had nothing to do with its limitations, you on the other hand seem to be backing the case that apples success is due to its limitations.

Please explain to me how something a device cannot do, can serve to make it more popular? Please don't try to argue that the phone is easier to use because users can't upgrade it. We both know that's rubbish. A phone can be made to be just as easy to use, while also having advanced options available somewhere for users to use if they should choose to do so.

Limiting a device's capabilities does not necessarily add to user friendliness.

This made me laugh! Even my mother regularly removes the MicroSD from her camera to copy images up to her PC! :D That says a lot!

Most people in the 1st world today assume that MicroSD means Portable/Transferable storage. Unfortunately Microsoft have decided to redefine that, which is incredibly arrogant considering that with WP7 they are effectively a new player in the smartphone market.

Finally... anybody willing to pay the considerable price difference for a smartphone is almost certainly a bit more clued up and looking for something a bit more capabale that your average dumbphone. People like my Granmother don't buy smartphones. They buy those phones with REALLY large buttons, that come with the ability to choose from 20 ringtones and can even send text messages.

Most dumbphones these days that retail for under £100 can even handle email and web browsing. It is not enough for a £500 smartphone to simply replicate this. Smartphones need to either offer the full package, or face the wrath of disappointed users. :mad:
[Windows Phone 7 General] naplesbill:
First of all, reading comprehension is important. What I said is that the limitations you speak of had nothing to with Apple's SUCCESS or FAILURE. Most people just don't care. I have not seen anybody trying to say that lacking those features are the reason for Apple's success.

I am happy your mother swaps her sd card, however, that is a non-typical user by any measure. The truth is that the majority of people do not care about this function. They much prefer a piece of software or technology that just syncs to their main computer and that just works. There are how many millions of smartphone users? Are you seriously suggesting that because they have a smartphone, they are more technical? If you want to limit it to say Windows Mobile 5/6/6.5 users, then you'd probably be right. However, we all know that Windows Mobile marketshare is not so much at this point.

The reality here is that Microsoft chose a course that provides more reliable and easier to use functionality for the masses. It is not a problem for me, and my techie friends, to swap an SD for copying/syncing purposes. For the majority of people, this is just too confusing. That is the reality.
[Windows Phone 7 General] AsheyB:
Will the new update have the feature to block calls or SMS's? I have been waiting a long time for this feature...

If not will anyone be able to create an App? Or is it time to sell my WP7 device :(
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
There is nothing announced regarding that.

I doubt anyone would be able to create an app for that. Is that even possible on iOS (non-jailbroken)?
[Windows Phone 7 General] AsheyB:
It was possible on a Samsung Jet and even some older phones i had ... it can't be that hard for Microsoft to develop ...

This is a big issue for me, and i would hate to lose out on WP7 because of it i was relying on this new update to have something or anything close to blocking calls. :(
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
Which phone would you go to that has this support?

Anyone else can't wait until next week? :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] AsheyB:
Maybe Andriod (samsung nexus)

its a shame, i pray this update gets some kind of feature that can block calls if not :(
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
A little advice I always give is to buy something that does what you need it to do now. Relying on changes will frustrate you.
[Windows Phone 7 General] AsheyB:
This is the first Samsung (Omnia) phone that has let me down in this feature, my previous ones where the Jet S8000, D900, E900 and all have had that simple feature... since i'm a fan of Samsung i have checked the Samsung Nexus and it does have an App which will allow you to block numbers...

I am going to wait for this update (a fools hope, i love the WP7), but if nothing comes of it then its a shame....
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
I can sympathize. The attitude some people on this forum take is "oh well it is your fault you should have done your research." but there is something called reasonable expectation. If every samsung phone of varying type (I have used the D820,D900, and E900/LG Chocolate ripoff phones) and they all did it then it is reasonable to expect the Omnia 7 to. If every Honda Accord I have ever owned had great MPG I expect the 2013 model to as well.

I know some people will not agree but in the legal system there is also something called reasonable expectation.

Let us hope the phone gets what you need :) I love how the Omnia 7 looks.
[Windows Phone 7 General] zoum79:
Windows Phone 7

Should it be even called a OS

Does Microsoft think majority of consumers are stupid?

It's a joke

Why do we have to wait for updates for things to work

I would like to see sales numbers

I have a long history with Windows Mobile but OS is the worse I have ever seen

Am enjoying my HTC Incredible S and Desire HD
[Windows Phone 7 General] zoum79:
Windows Phone 7

Should it be even called an OS

Does Microsoft think the majority of consumers are stupid?

It's a joke

Why do we have to wait for updates for things to work

I would like to see sales numbers

I have a long history with Windows Mobile but WP7 is the worse I have ever seen

Am enjoying my HTC Incredible S and Desire HD
[Windows Phone 7 General] moonshines:
but are we sure that were going to receive the updates starting next week?:confused:
[Windows Phone 7 General] kiwidoc:
Update process not linked to sim only to telco

Was wondering how people with phones on 3rd party telcos were going to go with the upgarde process.

Below is comment from

http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=6&topicid=77775&page_no=3

Consider Windows Phone 7 devices having two major attributes. The hardware, Samsung Focus, HTC HD7, etc, and the marketing carrier, T-Mobile, Orange, etc. The second attribute can be Null. This leads to distinct types. A Rogers Samsung Focus is different than an AT&T Samsung Focus.

Microsoft generates an update for each distinct type. These update packages are queued up and sent to the carrier for evaluation. We won't go into what the carrier does or doesn't do to test the release. When the time comes for the update to be delivered, those devices that the carrier has OK'd, are available. For Null carrier devices, the update is just available.

Periodically each device queries the Microsoft servers to see if an update is availabele. If both MS and the carrier have approved, a notification is delivered to the device, and the user is instructed on getting the update. That involves hooking the device to a Zune equipped PC via USB, and the update process is accomplished between the device and MS. Nothing to do with the carrier at this point.

Notice I hadn't mentioned SIM either. Makes no difference what SIM is in a device for this process. An AT&T LG Quantum with a T-Mobile SIM in it is still an AT&T LG Quantum. It will get the notification when AT&T approves it for the Quantum. The device speaks to the MS update server as an AT&T LG Quantum, over the data path available, whether that is a T-Mobile Edge connection due to the SIM, or a home COMCAST provided WiFi connection.

Notice that last line. A device can be updated even with no SIM at all. If there is no SIM in my Rogers SAMSUNG Focus, the device can still query the MS server via WiFi, and IF Rogers has OK'd the update for the Focus, here it comes.

Notice too that MS has the option of flipping their half of the ‘available’ switch off, if something goes awry, and they can do it by device type/carrier. They could do it for all Samsung Foci (plural of focus), regardless of carrier, or all AT&T devices regardless of manufacturer. There is that granularity built in.

The thing to remember is the combination of device type and marketing carrier (branding) is baked into the device. AFAIK that isn't changeable. I don't think you can make an AT&T Samsung Focus report itself as a Rogers Samsung Focus. I have a T-Mobile branded HD7, so I am waiting for T-Mobile to give the go ahead for their HD7s. Once they have, T-Mobile is pretty much out of the upgrade picture, for this upgrade. My device speaks directly to the MS update server, to see if the update is available, produced by Microsoft AND validated by T-Mobile. Then my device deals directly with the MS server for the update.