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[Legend General] raf2k:
Probably I'll never see froyo on Legend.

Before 31 dec Nexus S will be announced and I will give away my Legend to some1 in my familly.
[Legend General] netdias:
Who is mark moons ? :confused:
[Legend General] seereek:
I did but I got some lags. I don't know if its the phone's fault or what.
[Legend General] neverg:
Some dude in HTC Europe that tweats Stuff like Soon®... In the next days®, etc.
[Legend General] raf2k:
It works flawless on my Legend.

You have to run it in hardware decoding mode. Check the settings in RockPlayer.
[Legend General] seereek:
It doesn't work in that mode. It says 'this file cannot be played in hardware mode' but I unchecked it and it works. Only the sign in upper left corner is annoying but if it comes for free it's good :). Anyway, I think that gingerbread should bring us official avi support without any extra programs needs to be installed. Poland still without froyo. When I contacted htc support they said it should arrive before new year :) So I think it will be realesed on 31st of December.
[Legend General] lessirey:
He is htc europe director. He been repeatedly tweeting froyo will be released very very soon, before sinterklaas (dec 6th) etc.

LOL
[Legend General] victorcwy:
First HTC said froyo will be available in the 3rd quarter.(delayed till today in quarter 4) Then HTC Facebook said its coming in weeks ( ended up a month) . Mark said before 6th ( its already the due date). And the latest Twitter says its days . My guess its wait a few weeks. Next we will see it will be delayed by hours , minutes, ....
[Legend General] ananthm2k5:
+1...lol

Is mark moons saying programmers at Vodafone are better at removing bugs in their firmware than HTC itself ? The Vodafone update was pretty flawless.
[Legend General] neverg:
I don't think the update is urgent. The only think that annoys me is how the treat their clientes, saying soon, in days, etc, etc. Common, be honest, be realistic, cut the bull**** and give us a date. Even if it is next year. :rolleyes:
[Legend General] iodine:
Guess it's going to be a couple more weeks before FROYO is released.

"Our engineers are working day and night

Sorry, folks, we must make sure that the update was flawless! # Frozen yogurt for legends."

Plan B -> Root and install Paul's Rom =)
[Legend General] ve.:
Let's face it, there is no reponse they can give that will keep people happy.

If they keep quiet until it is done, people will *****.

If they give us an eta next year, people will *****.

If they say tomorrow, people will complain that it isn't today.

That said, It's monday and I don't have my gosh darn froyo. :(

I'd threaten to use a different handset/platform but there's nothing better at the moment. :D
[Legend General] randy_khoo:
Agreed. Can't imagine a big company like HTC having problems with things like this. Really sad. Or it could be a marketing directed delay. I did notice that updates started rolling out in countries that already have the desire hd and z...
[Legend General] lessirey:
The thing is that, vodafone is not the one who customized the rom or released it. Vodafone outsourced the customization job to htc itself, and even the updates are hosted on htc's own servers !

These are confirmed by htc themselves.. So even their claims of vodafone being just quick is either misleading or totally dishonest !

So that begs the question, why this circus ?

There is a high possibility for that, a dirty marketing trick which did much harm than good to htc.
[Legend General] jennan88:
Im getting sick of this **** finally too. I didn't care about froyo before but now I really want to use tethering and fix the ****in SMS bug.
[Legend General] tigerbauch:
You're freakin me out, if a simple update is your biggest problem.......

This is a crazy world. Ir sind alles armi Sieche
[Legend General] ve.:
I have an Aussie legend and tethering works perfectly here. Are you using an import or something?
[Legend General] nutunited:
think he means wifi tethering (aka wifi hotspot mode)
[Legend General] bullchicken:
Didn't Mark Moons say that we could root our phones if we didn't get froyo today? Wonder if they are going to release a tool to help with that lol
[Legend General] jennan88:
Yeah, I meant wifi tethering. Sorry for the confusion. And no, the froyo update isn't the biggest worry in my life, but it's been a constant annoyance for months.
[Legend General] ebaak:
CAYNOGENMOD 6.1.0 stable mod is starting to roll out!!!

wow those guys at cyanogenmod, in their free time, work faster and smarter than HTC :)
[Legend General] tnakir:
Let's face it. Froyo for legend is out. It exists as Vodafone release. And they need more than 1 month to remove branding? Come on. I guess only 1 programmer works on it.

I am greatly dissapointed in HTC. This is very irresposable from them. If this was Microsoft every relevant portal would write how M$ is ****ty etc.
[Legend General] boe32:
heres my reply

it took htc 3 days to reply when i asked them if they could release a beta wwe ruu to keep us inpatient people happy untill the actual final release, this is what they wrote,,,,,. thanks for your feedback. We will pass your dissatisfaction to the management team so they can feedback the engineers. We will look foward for a happy resolution. Please feel free to subscribe to HTC eClub at bla bla bla so you can receive upcoming news regarding your device and do not hesitate to contact us again if required.

ThankYou for contacting HTC

I also asked when there would be a date for release of actual update to froyo on unbranded legend and as usuall they ignored that bit.
[Legend General] boe32:
i also have a question, About 3 hors ago my phone legend must of rebooted on its own,im using temp root ,how can my phone still be rooted when it rebooted and i got quietly brilliant logo and music so i no it did reboot?
[Legend General] gr1pp5:
Nothing in the UK.
[Legend General] krasenk:
So according to Mark Moons, the TWO poor engineers assigned to the Legend Froyo update project are working day and night :D
[Legend General] rssf:
Whatever, we are never going to get it. I'm rooting today.
[Legend General] CrazyPeter:
HTC Legend unbranded is getting Froyo 2.2.1 release, rather than the Vodafone 2.2 release... Thats the delay.
[Legend General] bullchicken:
Where did you read this?
[Legend General] krasenk:
What is the source of this infomation?
[Legend General] Slonzo:
People will always give HTC crap.

1. If HTC rolls out a bugged update, they get crap.

2. If they pull the update and fix the bugs, they get crap for not releasing it.

3. If they pull the update, fix a bug, and roll it out without testing, thus creating other/more bugs: goto 1

This might be hard to comprehend, but this is how Moons explained it: Vodafone's update was quicker because they have to take much less parameters into account. It takes A LOT more work/testing to create an update for ALL possible providers in a load of different countries, then for 'just' 1 provider (Vodafone) in 'just a few' countries. I'm no expert in the mobile field, but that does seem credible.

People dismissing Mark Moons' statements as 'just marketing crap' obviously have no idea how things work in the software business :p He's the only one providing even the slightest bit of information. Even if things don't exactly go according to plan, I appreciate the feedback.

Note: even though I show an understanding for the situation, I agree that it took way to long. I feel ripped off for not buying a Desire :eek:
[Legend General] entropicamente:
I think he's the regional director for Benelux, at least so says his Linkedin profile.

http://nl.linkedin.com/in/markmoons
[Legend General] Chaotick:
Slonzo => The fact of the matter is that VODAFONE has got a fully working Update so what kind of demonic obsticle in the way of HTC now?? They have constant set backs for no apparent reason. I'm afraid it will not be present this year becasue it's "a few days" means usually more than a week in HTC and in two weeks the xmas fever begins and some people usually take time work of till the new year....
[Legend General] Slonzo:
Even though it's not apparent, that doesn't mean it's not valid, does it? :) I guess they found some issues for certain operators/countries, which don't have an impact on the Vodafone network... But I'm only guessing too ;)

That might be true, time will tell. Unless they have another major setback, I'm confident we'll have it before the end of the year (taking into account all the pieces of the information puzzle).
[Legend General] virani_joush:
Heyy I think htc rolls out updates as early as possible... see htc high ended devices got froyo just after nexus one and samsung has just released froyo for their high end galaxy s... and you all know about what dell does... so I love htc
[Legend General] loscassapalle:
where did you read this?
[Legend General] amstuzmarco:
I do not think anyone is really mad at HTC because it is not yet out, but because they simply never explain anything.

I do not expect Moons that he writes on Twitter that, but from HTC on www.htc.com a neews WHY Vodafone has the fix and why others do not. And when it will definitely appear.

They just should inform us, and not be silent!
[Legend General] flo1dec:
No FroYo here either... (Romania)

:(
[Legend General] ebaak:
WWW[dot]cyanogenmod[dot]com

where else?
[Legend General] loscassapalle:
i read about RC2, but not about a time for a stable version. you know more (something like days or weeks) ?
[Legend General] DeeJayDark UE:
Mark Moons on Twitter, 16 hour ago:

Pfff, wat een week! Sales conference, vast in Spanje en niet eens bevroren yoghurt voor Legend volledig afgerond (nog paar dgn nodig).

Translatin:

Phew, what a week! Sales conference, set in Spain and not even frozen yogurt for Legend fully completed (still need some dgn).

:(
[Legend General] ebaak:
no ETA. stable version is out for Nexus One.

when RC1 was released on Nexus One, if i m not mistaken, the legend version followed after around 10 to 15 days. this should be our time frame, nothing can be confirmed though.

anyway what i was pointing out is that their efficiency seems higher than HTC's even though most of those developers only work in their free time. which means that HTC either don't care about investing time and recourses in the Legend update, or that the Legend update is not the same as that of Vodafone. I would say the first is more likely.
[Legend General] Sckank:
Htc vs cy.mod: htc has a lot more to think of about their release than cy. They produce the phones. They have to think more of the phones actually working than cy.mod. just thinking that their software not working at their phones. This is where the customers and your money lies; that you could be sure the hardware is working and performing as it should. Do not underestimate the value of it and how time-consuming that is.
[Legend General] ebaak:
I am not trying to undermine the amount of work they have or the quality they produce. After all, if they did not have excellent quality (software and hardware), i wouldn't own an HTC.

What I am saying is simply the following: the fact that they have given inaccurate ETA's more than once already leads me to think that something is not adding up in the equation.

As for the guys over at Cyanogenmod, I am very eager to try their software being that I have not heard but excellent reviews and recommendations. And for a team to do so in their free time, well that is quite impressive.
[Legend General] Slonzo:
dgn = dagen = days :)

--> stuck in Spain and FroYo for Legend not fully completed (need a few more days)
[Legend General] zabaknilesh:
That means sinterclass gone..and still no froyo....now hope days are less than 7 and not "weeks' ..:(
[Legend General] kid1988:
Also,

HTC updates reach ALL the HTC's their intended for.

CM is used by advanced users that can work with errors and understand their pnones

HTC has to make sure numbnuts can work with the updates as well

CM will just state that it's a bug when something's wrong

HTC has to make sure there are no errors because that will cost a lot of money (people calling CS)

CM does not have to support their update

CM doesn't have to sell phones

CM doesn't have to uphold a reputation other than to be the first (not sure, haven't read into it)

HTC is sluggish because it has different departments that have to work together

HTC needs google approval

HTC releases the update OTA (needs servers etc. more logistics then just host a file somewhere)
[Legend General] ananthm2k5:
Whose approval should Vodafone get ? You seem to forget Vodafone legends already have froyo which was developed by HTC for Vodafone to approve, make necessary changes, and release !!
[Legend General] lessirey:
Correction, it's the htc who customize, make the necessary changes and host the update for vodafone, vf outsourced that job to htc.
[Legend General] ebaak:
THANK YOU!!! I am not pointing out that HTC is a ****ty company!! on the contrary, a company as good as HTC should be able to abide by delivery dates. Especially if they are the ones who set them as they will.

Edit: I should be thanking lessirey :)
[Legend General] Sckank:
I recommend it to ;-)
[Legend General] janarp:
maby there is FroYo for Legend September 2011... this is only few months...=)=) hahahahaaa... fck u HTC
[Legend General] ebaak:
what are u currently running?
[Legend General] cryshop:
Unbranded HTC Legend is getting new Sense....
[Legend General] UserX5:
Because after months they still haven't released a interim update addressing the SMS app issue.

[/QUOTE]2. If they pull the update and fix the bugs, they get crap for not releasing it.[/QUOTE]

Again, because we're many months further down the road and still nothing.
[Legend General] krasenk:
Nice joke! :D
[Legend General] neverg:
Pill stop pulling stuff from your S. :p

There is no evidence of that nor anyone hopes for that. They haven't released new sense even for Desire so Legend is not getting luckier than the rest. I think most people would be happy with the regular sense working without bugs and froyo.
[Legend General] Chaotick:
Come on we will surely get New Sense ....On the next update with Android 3.0 LOL.
[Legend General] netdias:
I think he meant

"Unbranded HTC Legend is getting nonSense...."

:rolleyes:
[Legend General] qzem:
Well Gingerbread source is out, so now you should all start writing to HTC, when they are going to release it for legend:p.
[Legend General] neverg:
:D Awesome pun.
[Legend General] Timothye:
well NO update here in Sweden .
[Legend General] h4cker:
Not for this monday apparently... :(
[Legend General] mtrax:
I think we should abandon the request for Froyo and just start asking for Gingerbread...
[Legend General] iodine:
poo poo on HTC.
[Legend General] billyJAM:
Yeah screw you HTC. We want Gingerbread. And don't be telling us any of that rubbish.
[Legend General] neverg:
Gingerbread is out and to be honest, nothing special. Would prefer the newer sense. But I'm happy with getting Froyo. :p
[Legend General] fac51:
I like your way of thinking!
[Legend General] TheLegendaryJay:
I just heard HTC are releasing Gingerbread before Christmas for the Legend WITH new Sense! :D

in 20 never!
[Legend General] kleutscher:
People who are crying about HTC should have bought their flagship and not their mid range phone.

It's your mistake.

Look at the other companies like Samsung Motorola etc they also suck at updating their phones.

So pls buy a nexus or a iPhone and . Or go f@king root you're phone because Froyo is already available these way for a lot of weeks. Or just wait a couple of more days. What are days in a live.

I know better things to do then checking your update status.

Find a girl friend. Get work. Drink beer. Get drunk. F@ck your new found girl or take a **** and post a message like I do:). And before you even know Froyo or gingerbread is available.

Is this a ban worth?:p
[Legend General] skojaren:
HTC censor
[Legend General] familyhousing:
A ban worth I hope it is. You make yourself sound like a complete c@ck.

Back on topic, I don't think Vodafone's exclusivity contract is up for a few weeks yet. Personally, I'm prepared to wait as long as HTC want - they're just not getting my money again, simple as that.
[Legend General] xnotte:
Mine neither!

htc no more....
[Legend General] victorcwy:
Time to move to nexus s. Available from best buy soon
[Legend General] tigerbauch:
His first language is German, mine Swiss German and yours similar to mine....... And I ate self baked kanelbullar yesterday. Much better than waiting for a update.
[Legend General] ve.:
Apparently there's no Nexus S in australia. :/ Guess I will have to grey import from china. Hooray.
[Legend General] randy_khoo:
http://www.htc.com/sea/support.aspx

Update – HTC Desire Firmware Over The Air (FOTA) update

I don't understand why the desire keeps getting F***ing updates when the legend hasn't????

Not sure about this desire update, but is it gingerbread or the new sense?

Either way, i'm quitting HTC. Samsung Nexus S is definitely my near future phone.
[Legend General] Chaotick:
Sad thing hoever is that the Nexus S is all plastic and wonder how much faster with the upgraded OS that the Nexus One.....time will tell...

As for me the only way to move from Legend is a WP7 device

Not to get too offtopic....No froyo in Poland.
[Legend General] ve.:
Yep, I really like the HTC build's and the unibody design of the legend in particular. It seems like manufacturers are determined to make us choose between excellent hardware and bleeding edge software. Such a shame. :/
[Legend General] tigerbauch:
Neither, the update removes some bugs n stuff.
[Legend General] BlaY0:
What's wrong with software you are using right now? Does your productivity suffer because of that?
[Legend General] Chaotick:
The fact of the matter is this Legend keeps good performance (not blistering or outstanding) and compared to iPhone 3GS is a bargain ( IMHO has better build quality and the OS is more user friendly).
[Legend General] netdias:
Here we go again... The software lacks some features of the version 2.2 WHICH the Legend from Vodafone got!

I was happy with my 2.1 UNTIL the mid-range phone Legend from Vodafone got its update to 2.2 !

Also several HTC country offices announced that in a few days updates would arrive to mid-range unbranded HTC phone Legend.

The wrong is, why HTC does not inform their mid range clients... Only top range clients get information? should I have spend more 100€ to get information ?

What happens when the top range phone is no longer in the top, because a new phone is on the market ? No more information for it? Surely You will have to get the new phone for that.

I'm pissed not because of my mid range Legend has the 2.1, I'm pissed because Vodafone Branded mid phone Legend has the update 2.2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad:
[Legend General] tnakir:
When I bought Legend, it wasn't middle class phone, but top class phone.

I guess HTC Desire awaits the same destiny as Legend, (i'm talking about Gingerbread) as it is not the top range phone anymore :).

OMG HTC you so suck :)
[Legend General] jorgesalvador:
A top class HTC phone is one that is brand new, as soon as another new device is out, that's the new top class and everything before becomes second citizen.

Desire is no longer top class, Desire HD is (case in point: new nonsense).
[Legend General] Chaotick:
I would say that every technological device like PC smartphone etc. is becoming obsolete since the day it's been introduced...Now it's the Desire HD, Samsung Galaxy S is top of the line... "tomorrow" it will be a Tegra 2 phone...It's almost impossible to keep up....if you don't have a lot of money ^^.
[Legend General] BlaY0:
Why? And I will repeat my question... does your productivity under 2.1 suffer comparing to those having 2.2? Please name one thing that can be done with 2.2 and can not be done with 2.1.
[Legend General] Chaotick:
:D The numbers look better when you have 0.1 in plus on your Android ver. :D. However it would be nice to get the update finally :D
[Legend General] talihawk:
BlaY0 - the 2.2 upgrade offers much better performance on the Legend (3 times better), Wifi tethering and Apps2SD support... besides other features which (to me) are less important...

The only thing that annoys me about the update is HTC's mystery screen... I don't mind the wait, if I at least have a deadline of some sort.
[Legend General] NdrU:
It doesn't allow the apps to be installed to the SD card, which means a I can't install as many apps as I'd like to.

Currently I have about 18 MB of free storage, which means I can't install Skype (I know it's crappy, but that doesn't matter) or the Opera Mobile (which I would only use to access some https sites that for some reason won't load in any of the webkit based browsers on android)
[Legend General] gr1pp5:
Nothing here in the UK either. Looks like its not going to be rolled out today then. What a surprise. Time to give up I'd say.
[Legend General] DeeJayDark UE:
Waiting for Godot !
[Legend General] tnakir:
You know that Godot never came :)
[Legend General] Timothye:
Nothing yet here in Sweden .
[Legend General] janarp:
Same in Estonia...
[Legend General] tnakir:
I am starting to get pissed off if it doesn't arrive after 9:30AM CET.

Until then... just chillin'
[Legend General] nikst4:
nothing here in austria, too.
[Legend General] ryaneu:
I think it will be available on 29th Nov 2011
[Legend General] bullchicken:
Just noticed this on twitter (****ty translations via google)
[Legend General] tnakir:
Well... nothing new here... I just hope you're right!
[Legend General] irminsul:
Mark Moons is a dutch guy as I am, and the actual translation is: before sinterklaas we want all of you to have it. And sinterklaas is celebrated the 5th of december here in holland :)
[Legend General] familyhousing:
This has really opened my eyes. Never imagined unbranded owners would be shafted for the sake of vodafone exclusivity. I'll be considering LG for my next phone with their almost vanilla Android ROMS.
[Legend General] familyhousing:
Wow, response from HTC on Facebook within minutes:

HTC We're listening, really. And pushing in the right places to get this out. It is coming, just came across a few speed bumps - sorry.
[Legend General] tnakir:
What does it mean? Is it comming today or not?
[Legend General] familyhousing:
It's a cryptic clue, as Legend users have come to expect from HTC.
[Legend General] Chaotick:
In all likleyhood it's this week.

All things considered we legend users are getting the update so there is no point to be negative....SE X10 and wildfire are still with 2.1 so we are not in the worst possible position.
[Legend General] nikst4:
I bet i comes next monday....
[Legend General] janarp:
Jep still nothing... :(
[Legend General] gallery:
Monday Afternoon in india

Still now no froyo
[Legend General] kid1988:
we can just wait and pray..

Probably next week..

I dont see why HTC would rush it out now... they've let us wait for a while now, we could wait another week.... or two.. maybe three... (three at most if it's due to be out before dec 5th.
[Legend General] loscassapalle:
guys,

also I'm waiting anxiously for this update, but i think that someone should think a bit more to the ***** :)
[Legend General] taleboblen:
Im allergic to cats
[Legend General] netdias:
The Apps2SD is the best part.

I'm married to one... I think about it every time :)
[Legend General] versifier:
Still love my Legend.

Waiting for the update, in India.

It's a fantastic phone, and will no doubt be boosted in speed by 2.2, which is a major reason I'm waiting for that.

Also, after seeing the Nexus S, the specs are no doubt impressive but if any of you has seen the Galaxy S and general build quality by Samsung, it's going to be a really crappy phone due to the plastic feel of their phones.

I'd pick the Legend any day.