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[Epic 4G General] josidhe:
This whole thing is silly.

It's very clear that this frustration only exists because people are upset about how long it takes for official updates to come down the pipes in the Android universe. We all know and deal with the reality that Froyo has been out for months and handsets are still in the process of getting the upgrade (if they ever do, hackers or no hackers).

If Epic owners already had an official release of 2.2 from Sprint for people to modify and play with, this frustration wouldn't exist. If these 'controlled' leaks were along the lines of, say, a service pack release (ie., 2.2.1-updateB), I'd bet the outrage would be a fraction of what is being expressed today. It would annoy some folk, for sure, but I think there's no denying that today's anger is largely anger at Sprint, Samsung, and Google, simmering and waiting to be directed at a target we can more readily access (a member on a forum, let's say).

Everyone should ask themselves whether they would've felt this upset if the leaked build was DI18, or if there would be some sort of petition demanding hackers behave a certain way (or else...somethingsomething?).

Frankly I've never heard of this kind of demand on a hobbyist coder forum. I've joked for years about the 'forum posse' phenomenon, where whenever anybody does any kind of voluntary code work, a crowd of zombies rise up to support them no matter what their behavior, no matter what the delays, no matter what the time tables. My mind always goes back to people who write fan translations of console games in the ROM/emulation scene--talk about a lack of time tables! It can takes years for BETA patches to see the light of day, and the entire time, the forum bands together and supports the hacker, because they respect the reality that he/she is doing it for fun or education and has the freedom to drop everything and walk away for any reason.

But somehow on XDA this sort of developer respect is being slowly abandoned in the name of some BS made-up principles that haven't even been around for enough time to stand a test of. Christ, even out of the box, the Epic 4G STOCK is a better Android experience than 9/10 handsets running the latest Cyanogenmod. I haven't even put a custom kernel/ROM on mine--just rooted, a little app cleanup, and wifi tethering, and I'm more than happy to wait for the OFFICIAL Froyo.
[Epic 4G General] gTen:
Yes I know thats what its for..but it can also be interpreted under it...or your saying I can tell every new person "Your not smart enough to flash cause you may brick your phone" and that will be ok? ;) lol
[Epic 4G General] gorby911:
For people who came to Epic from Touch Pro 2 - this reminds me so much of the "I demand my HSPL!!" situation. Some people have an overdeveloped feeling of entitlement that others own something to them and they must give it to them. The funniest part is that most (not all, but most) people raising "this is a sharing development community" argument do not actually contribute any development to the community. Another thing that I find interesting is that if a software that actually does brick the device is leaked and people do brick their devices, most of the folks will go *****ing and moaning to their provider and have them replace the devices for free (directly or through insurance) rather than assuming responsibility and paying out of pocket full price since it would be YOUR fault that device is now bricked. Does this have consequences for everyone? Sure it does, the cost of this is eventually passed down to all consumers (with most of them with no idea what "flashing a ROM" even means) in a form of fees, raised service charges, raised insurance premium, and co-pays.

/NOT SIGNED
[Epic 4G General] johnyardavid:
Signed
[Epic 4G General] MysteryEmotionz:
If we release a buggy leak this forum will be filled with threads on how to fix there phones ect ect ect....... This forum in congested enough from people looking for froyo and the **** that started with dk05. Is hard when you got a real problem and have to sweep the the junk for a real awnser. Done people don't belong rooting there phones never mind flaking buggy releases.
[Epic 4G General] bomix:
+1

Chill people, Then again, once we get OTA Froyo, the forums will calm down.

I don't think writing Signed or NOt signed really makes a difference at the end of the day. Nobody cares. :rolleyes:
[Epic 4G General] akijikan:
People are telling people to chill because they do not understand the idea of community and openness. They don't see how saving anything whether it is a leak or a bug-fix or a patch or anything else helpful to everyone until you are ready to release it with your name on it is putting yourself before the community.

I am signing this petition because I believe in the community.

I believe that when there is work to be done it is most quickly and effectively done by the community as a whole.

I believe that everyone should have the opportunity to become a "developer" themselves and that the resources available to few should be available to any.

If you share these beliefs feel free to use my sig-banner where ever you see fit. I made it for everyone who is tired of letting others decide what is good for us.
[Epic 4G General] austin420:
thank you for the kick ass banner. im goiing to use it on my HOME at ppc geeks, but they wont allow a banner wider than 500 pixels x 125 pixels, so i resized it. you can find the 500x111 right here!

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4085/5190050541_fba720a94a.jpg
[Epic 4G General] egzthunder1:
Ok, let's play a bit. Let just say, for the sake of the argument, that the rom gets released in early alpha (or even beta) as this is the case. You flash it to your device and start running it, and you come across a bug that makes your phone crash. What do you do?

BTW, I like the picture...
[Epic 4G General] akijikan:
Personally, I wouldn't know. I would probably try to reproduce it, capture log data to the point of the crash, but beyond that, I would be handing that information to someone else. I probably could know if I took the time to learn, but that's not for me at this time. But this is really extraneous to the point. Even if I wouldn't know, someone else might.
[Epic 4G General] egzthunder1:
Good answer. However, being a developer and a tester are two very different things. Devs rely on testers (at least some of them) to do exactly what you explained above. Developing would constitute looking at that log file, and try to debug to see what happened, and maybe try to come up with something or work towards a solution. I am not saying you are incapable of doing this as I don't know the depth of your knowledge, but based on your answer above you wouldn't be qualified as a dev but rather as a tester if I go by the standards set up until now.
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
Not signed
[Epic 4G General] akijikan:
I realize this, and I would never make the claim of being a developer. But the potential to be one exists in many and I think the more open and sharing the community is, the more people we'd see motivated to reach that potential.
[Epic 4G General] gTen:
A developer starts from somewhere..testing is also part of learning the development process....that we have to remember that people making the roms cannot by themselves know everything...and they rely on these tests..

I have seen many occasions where a user who even had no knowledge provide a dev information that was vital..in playing with these roms we get information out of them no matter how small..maybe we noticed a minor bug fix here and there..and eventually when official froyo comes out and dev releases his things he may still have that bug in there without realizing...

on the other hand the member who knows very little can point to this build and say..this did not have this issue, saving developer time, effort and a solution...thats part of having a collective knowledge as an open community...

linux in itself got to where it is today with the contribution of both the devs and the testers keeping everything in the public domain..both are vital...

I have even seen testers solve bugs based on simply trial an error and some dumb luck lol
[Epic 4G General] karate134:
As a recent Epic user (coming from TP2 and over from PPCGeeks), it's sad to see that this is an issue. I want 2.2, but if it's worth having, then it's worth waiting for.

So I say ANTI SIGNED.
[Epic 4G General] overground:
I miss super-dev jdkoreclipse. :p
[Epic 4G General] Muckrak3r:
signed, sealed, delivered, I'm yours!
[Epic 4G General] Poryhack:
This thread isn't about a sense of entitlement or anything other then the simple fact that people can be responsible for what they do to their own devices. If you give me a buggy ROM and I flash it, knowing that it's buggy, I won't come back to nag the community or anyone else when it has some kind of negative side-effect. That's what this thread is about. And it's coming up now because I've seen multiple people give no reason other then "it might brick..." "it's unstable" etc. when they are asked why posts have been censored and leaks have been withheld.

EDIT: In essence I'm trying to get people to sign on that they are not a complete idiot, but hey if you still don't agree...
[Epic 4G General] sauron0101:
Provided that it does not in any way risk exposing the identity of the leaker to the powers that be, I think that leaked ROMs should be uploaded to the community whenever possible ASAP upon the leak.
[Epic 4G General] muyoso:
I'm not demanding anything. All I said was to either not keep the leak a secret and tell people about it, or shut the hell up about it and use it for yourself. None of this in-between nonsense were certain Devs keep hinting at new and awesome things they have which we are not allowed to see, while at the same time not even informing the rest of us what new cool things are included.

I am not entitled to anything. If you read my posts, I have made it clear to others that their "demands" for the rom are moronic and that they do not "deserve" it.
[Epic 4G General] akijikan:
While I agree, if people take the time read what people like you and I are saying, its hard to see where a rational person could disagree, implying people are idiots if they don't probably pushes them away.
[Epic 4G General] Quis89:
Shouldn't your "belief in the community" allow you to understand a devs desire to release the most final and fully functional product with the least amount of issues to said community? I see it as a sign of respect for a dev to hold something until its ready to be put out there. Extrapolate this to the major software devs at Samsung or Google...why should they release software that is premature? That will only further upset the end users and causing an explosion of threads, questions and complaints about issue 1, 2 and 3. I think life is much more calm and peaceful as it is.
[Epic 4G General] zigarath:
It has already been stated by firon there is no endangering info in the water mark. The so called water mark just the name of the same dev who made all our roms including di18

I.e. nothing to do with leaker

Also I have been learning alot on xda. I bricked my g1 to death. Got my epic brick on di18. I odin flashed as per stickies info on the main page and I was good...last night I also unbricked my old g1. This is all thanks to the excellent community we have had thus far. I hope xda continues to be a place where I can continue to learn about our devices and their full potential. thanks again xda
[Epic 4G General] Oxrod:
I don't get the point of this petition. Seems silly to me.
[Epic 4G General] sniperkill:
Thought about it more, and I dont think I wanna be a part of this...
[Epic 4G General] dallas90733:
Team:

I hear two argument

1. We want to protect people from losing their jobs over a leak, we all agree to this one.

2.How would everyone feel if Samsung/Sprint says, "We have Gingerbread working for Epic 4 G, but you are not entitle to it, because you guys brought Epic 4g with 2.1, we all agree we would be P-off over them waving this in our face.

So the question becomes, are we going to work as a team or keep on with this childish behavior, everyone has a excellent point, which will not solve our issue on getting the best out these phone while having fun, to be honest in 6 months it will be Epic 4G who?
[Epic 4G General] sniperkill:
Edited. Choosing not o be a part of this thread
[Epic 4G General] raiderep:
This is beyond silly, its devious and underhanded not to mention childish and juvenile. This is exactly what a young child would do if he wasn't getting his way, run to mom because dad didn't give him what he wanted....grow up.
[Epic 4G General] akijikan:
I'd have more respect if anyone was allowed to work to make it functional. It makes more sense to have as many eyes on it as possible than for one person to sit back and do it all himself. The only way that makes sense is if that person is trying to claim some credit or some control.

All you can do is name call and characterize. You haven't made a point here. There's no reason the community as a whole shouldn't be able to work together on getting things like this done.
[Epic 4G General] Alcon1198:
Signed .. I dont think people really know . There is no source code out to develope these leaks.. They say developers only ok, they put it on there phones

talked how nice things ran how much improved in irc. And there is nothing they can do to develope these leaks without the source code.They can move **** around. take **** out . Add diffrent apps .Theme them .How hard is that??

When you say developers ,There is not many real developers in here unless your making your own programs or games period..The people that have the leaks i thhink of them as adjusters and thats all...
[Epic 4G General] sniperkill:
Now that I think about it a little more, my apologies to everyone here for my posting here, or even waisting my time reading it! Jumped the gun, so to speak. As far as I'm concerned if a DEV has a pre-release of a beta rom, its his to haveand test, and the said DEV doesn't have to share if he see's fit. We here at XDA shouldn't DEMAND, or anything of that nature, anything from anyone. If someone here has something and wants to share with everyone else, then fine, if he doesn't, then that's fine too. Everyong posting here with "signed" needs to l9ok at it from the DEV's side of the coin before making immature claims of lying and everything else!!!!
[Epic 4G General] raiderep:
Pardon me for stooping to your level...its like talking to a dog, all you hear is 'Leak" or 'Rom'...nothing else gets through, anyway...

If you really thought of this as a community these kinds of undue pressure threads wouldn't be started as it serves absolutely no point whatsoever(besides causing a greater divide and un-needed drama) and I apologize for even reading it...or replying as well...this kind of thing is just really hard to understand to be honest. Take some time to think before you start threads like this...

I give up, you guys do what you want and let chaos reign...
[Epic 4G General] BopChie:
good god.. let it go already
[Epic 4G General] sniperkill:
Would a mod please delete this thread! Useless, and pointless!!!
[Epic 4G General] egzthunder1:
Developing involves a lot more than just creating apps. There are many different levels of development. Developing a rom and cooking a rom are two different things also. Anyone who can use a kitchen can cook a rom. Developing a rom... that is a different issue. It isn't just putting pieces together, but rather looking at a whole bunch of things inside the rom itself, the kernels, and more.
[Epic 4G General] heathmcabee:
I should have gone with the Evo. This community is downright ass backwards.
[Epic 4G General] Alcon1198:
Thanks to panzies hiding **** from us , And putting it right in are faces ..

------------Thank you --------- you know who you are :)
[Epic 4G General] egzthunder1:
The EVO is a good phone.... I know ;)

Anyways, this thread has lost its purpose completely and at this point only serves for grounds for potential flaming.

I am closing this now.
[Epic 4G General] Comando156:
I could not agree more. Well said.
[Streak 5 General] tom_tui:
Hi Everyone,

Other than the car cradle sold by Dell, are any other alternatives out there?

Thanks,

Tom.
[Streak 5 General] Troute:
I think there's a few mentioned in the accessories forum m8.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] spiderman3k:
I have an Evo on boost mobile everything work flawless but dosnt matter what room or kernel I run, I always get double sms notification, I disable the main SMS app drom android system.. any clue where i can start.? ty
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] spiderman3k:
I Undid the sms and mail notification from LP+ and the same problem..!
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] spiderman3k:
Fixed.. !!!was the beautiful widget sms setting.. i dont use this but was getting notification.. just open sms from beutiful widget and undo the notification..
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] iamjack:
G'day everybody.

i am trying to install

Mdeejay FroYo Sense Matted v. 1.4

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=797357

and

MDJ FroYo Sense Revolution v.1.7

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=823491

both of them got a very cool background which catched my eyeball....

i download the .rar file, exacted the android folder and put them into my SD card root and start it by using run "CLRCAD.exe" then "haret.exe"

i am able to get into the android interface, and at the beginning, the very cool background is loaded.

and 5 second later... the machine run though a series of initial setting such as email account....language.....google agreement....keyboard tutorial....etc

once i have done thous steps....my background suddenly changed into HTC sense Desried background...

everything work fine....i am able to use market...download angry bird and play ....but the background doesn't work....

and i am unable to change it back into matted or revolution wallpapaer....

i can change it into something else like thunderstorm free...

but ya anyone know how to fix this problem?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Nodial:
This tool is designed in order to support our Galaxy S.

I just introduced some few features in this version; I hope to add more in the future. If you have some idea you're welcome.

INSTRUCTIONS:

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- Open the tool and connect your phone; You can launch the tool also if your phone is already connected.

- Supported connection is Kies one (MTP).

- Once connected tool will show you the Phone informations reading them from the phone directly (this tool doesn't use registry to retrieve data).

- Using menu "Mode > Change to Download" is possible to send your phone in download mode.

NOTE:

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If you would like to test the download mode without using it to upgrade, the only way to return back to Normal mode is to put battery out and insert it again.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] HumanoidTalking:
Great idea, going to test it
[Galaxy S I9000 General] aditya104:
what is in there?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] KLoNe1:
What's this do better than what MyPhoneExplorer does perfectly already?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Nodial:
Well,

You can check informations like product code without to install SGS toolbox.

By the way this was most like an exercise for me ;)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] redstar1:
Have dome a search but not really found anything about my problem. Basically on occasion when I need to reboot Android, especially if it is a hard reboot (removing battery) when it has crashed/hung, when I eventually manage to restart android, my SMS messages appear to have reverted to a backup. It leaves me with exactly the same messages every time. I don't use any backup software (although I will now!)

2.12 radio

Froyosense 3.2

ChuckysRom

Anyone had anything similar?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] redstar1:
Weird.

Installed SMS Backup, it gives an error when trying to save SMS but when I use it to view SMS, everything is there. All the messages that appear to be missing.

Very odd.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Reno_79:
It sounds like for some reason it's reverting to the messages stored on the sim card, potentially there's something wrong with the storage on the sd card or the settings in your message client? Just an idea really.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Lw00d:
i want to install the November update, but i have root , S-off, Kernel kings BFs 5,

what do i have to do to install the update?
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] g00s3y:
here you go

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=840616
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Lw00d:
thanks i will check it out.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Lw00d:
i already have the RUU update that magneticzero posted,

thats not the november update.

i had the one on post for 3 months.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Lw00d:
does any one have the November update . so i could install it to the root of my SDcard .
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] spence341:
What do you hope to gain with the update?
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] g00s3y:
Well you didn't ask where to get the update, you just asked what you have to do to install it.

Anyway, i must agree, what do you really want to install the latest OTA for? It doesn't add anything great at all, just more verizon bloatware.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Lw00d:
i found the latest update .. thanks to all that help.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jett2314:
After you updated did you still have root?
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] v1ral:
I want to know this as well..!!

v1ral
[Fascinate General] keith.mcintyre26:
I've been testing a few kernels lately and have had a mixed bag of results. My question is this- what's everyone using to achieve decent battery life with no music playback interference? Thanks.
[Fascinate General] Kaessa:
Try setting SetCPU to minimum 200 and see if that helps.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] elvisypi:
Pls can anyone help me i've been looking everywhere but i found nothing.Thx in advance
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] user212:
First this part ot the forum is for ROM development

Second in any ROM you just go to settings-today and disable htc sense
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] elvisypi:
yes i know, but i wanted a very light rom, cooked without sense
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] tlccksww:
i use this one:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=582081

very stable and fast.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] chris5s:
Or this one :D
[Desire HD General] dython:
So its easy to ask , and i'm the on asking :o.

but native linux would be great . but i know linux but not building one.:rolleyes:

But is some one willing to make one?
[G Tablet General] ijustbrickeditithink:
ok do not waste any of your time going down a useless path as i have, but i did learn a few things... a big lightbulb finally turned on for me with the wince on the gtab. i finally realized, which i should have from the start, that wince will not support dual core processors, which is why i am getting specific errors with video start call. i modified the original stock tegra os listing for wince and it is running and working but without the dual core being utilized, android is a lot better of a choice. i am not pursing nor continuing toward any wince version for deployment.
[G Tablet General] contoree:
which version of wince were you testing? win7 embedded supports dual-core just not sure which ones. Oh since this is my first post would like to thank everyone for doing a tremendous job. Been using XDA for years. Searching has always answered my questions.no need to post :)
[G Tablet General] ijustbrickeditithink:
the version i used is found below:

http://tegradeveloper.nvidia.com/tegra/downloads

however, it is not windows mobile 7; i am still researching that version to see what is possible and if it would work on tegra 2 chip and such.

i am moving my focus back to where i am stumped with my version of android for the gtab.