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[Windows Phone 7 General] The Gate Keeper:
to be honest, as of right now after reading a lot of your recent posts i really hope this comes true. as disappointed as i am that we don't get wiz-bang features straight out of the gate or with the first update, i understand the time required as well. being a software developer, i appreciate the time required to advance feature sets, especially within an OS. i personally would of thought they would have broken everything into individual apps so they can all be updated on their own, but either way, i'm not going to continually ***** and complain in every thread possible just because my disappointment wasn't met with the first update. get over it. yes android has features, go with it and stop annoying the rest of us.

i'm sure the mods will delete this post and all the ones you've posted because so much of everything you've said (and all those that have responded) are way off EVERY OP message.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JamesAllen:
Second That

The mods have done a great job closing threads that have been hijacked by a few unhappy people who sought solice in one thread, hijacked it, went to another, hijacked that, and then onto another. They are like little children crying to Dad and when Dad doesn't sooth them, going to Mom. You would think that after finding no support in any thread, they would get the hint, but that's not the case. I am beginning to think that their objective is to actually close down any WP7 thread that shows any support for WP7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
But that does not answer the question at all. Why would anyone choose to make an HD7 into an android phone over owning a Desire HD?

Desire HD has much better specs: SD card slot, more RAM, 8MP camera, newer snapdragon cpu. Is the button placement on the HD7 more ideal for Android than the DesireHD? No.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
I must agree. It's totally idiotic to buy WP7 device to port Android into it, instead

Of buying a proper Android device with all the support.

Or maybe if somebody's not happy with WP7, he should buy Desire HD and port WP7 to it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
So, there is more than copy&paste coming in Q1 http://wmpoweruser.com/january-wind...ll-block-chevronwp7-unlock-presumably-others/
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Not idiotic at all. It accomplishes several things all at once. Instead of hacking the HD7 to put the refused features I need, which is a purely temporary solution, one can put a leading OS on there and start buying the leading OS's apps instead of using their WP7 device to buy WP7 apps.

This achieves the needed functionality of the device and sends a strong wake up call to MS to start working for the consumers or they will file them away in the circular file bin. If MS dares me or discounts me, I will take action. I won't just sit around and be miserable and sullen over not having the needed functionality. And using an alternative OS, MS can't do squat about it. If I stayed with WP7, I would be featureless. If I used hacks on WP7, MS could disable them or affect them. My stance is to calmly and defiantly tell MS where to shove it with an in-your-face attitude that they'd have to suck up.

I can't abide spending half a grand on a device and be cheated of its usefulness. MS will come down to our level and cater to us or we will will bolster the other leading OS maker by spending our money making them even more leading.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Reflexx1:
While seriously entertaining to read, it's really off topic.
[Windows Phone 7 General] eternalemb:
+1.

I think the major reason these idiot android fanboys want to port their pathetic OS onto the HD7 is just to see if they can. like a bunch of monkeys trying to prove a point. it wont run well, it'll make the hardware look crappy with its laggy interface, but hey at least they did it! :rolleyes:
[Windows Phone 7 General] wangjs:
I will be glad if they allow me to create my own "CUSTOM HUB" to group apps.... my fingers already feel sour scrolling through all the apps....
[Windows Phone 7 General] eternalemb:
+1. I already have somewhere near 50 apps and my list is pretty long. If you flick through the app list it goes very quickly though so its not too bad. Although I usually just use voice command, so that fixes that problem. Plus, you can post your most used apps on the start screen, which is very handy.
[Windows Phone 7 General] apine:
Hey all,

New to XDA. I'm considering getting a Focus in the next month or so (currently using non-touch WinMo 5.0 as an unlocked voice-only feature phone :p). I was thinking about the coming Jan/Feb update: there are 3 or 4 months between when it became available in North America on Nov 8 and the supposed jan/feb time period. How much is it reasonable to expect MS to cram into the update in that time frame? considering WP7 reportedly took 2 yrs of development and their desktop OS takes 3+ years?...

Also, i remember reading that app loading from nand (like Focus) is faster than from sd card (like some HTC WP7s). I was looking at that vid on AnandTech (can't post links) and wondering if their device had NAND or sd ( it looks like a dev samsung device)
[Windows Phone 7 General] The Gate Keeper:
focus has 8GB NAND and a microSD card expandable to 32GB. Overall the NAND units should outperforming microSD units, even if they co-exist on a device (focus is the only one that does).

i doubt MS is doing much of anything more with this update coming. it's already finished i think, they're just testing it and allowing carriers to test.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
ummm, How are you sticking it to MS? You already bought the phone... I don't think MS cares if you install one app from the marketplace on it. This isn't android. MS isn't an advertising company. Since you bought a device, the seller probably ordered another one from MS, which means, they get more money....

It's obvious that you made an uninformed purchase and instead of cutting your losses, you are going to sit on these forums and bash wp7 everyday.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
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[Windows Phone 7 General] eternalemb:
lol hey man! That's James bond you're talking to! He's going to save us all from Steve Ballmer and Microsoft's villainous ways! LMAO :p
[Windows Phone 7 General] adesonic:
Dear MartyLk,

I respect your opinion and your right to express it, you don't like WP7 and you wish to tell everyone that you feel cheated by MS, you also wish to make a "dent" in MS. There are no doubt many others like you who feel exactly the same way. You must accept however that there are many people who do like WP7, in fact they like it a great deal and they will want to defend their platform of choice with just as much vigour as you want to "dent" it.

A smartphone is only a collection of plastic and circuits, glass and software, most of the people on planet earth never have and never will get to hold one let alone use one, for we priveleged few who own them, our choice of device is a matter of personal preference, but we do often attach too much importance to them.

You make many valid criticisms of WP7, many of which MS will address, many they probably won't. WP7 may or may not succeed, ultimately it doesn't really matter, if it fails, something will replace it, maybe even a version of android that has tiles instead of widgets who knows.

Point is, don't be surprised that many people like to see "lovey dovey" posts about WP7 on here, we are all human and we all like it when our peers affirm our choices.

We understand you views, thank you for sharing them with us.
[Windows Phone 7 General] andrew-in-woking:
Buying the wrong phone

Hi MartyLK

I think that the point is, if somebody wants an Android phone and the OS is a deal breaker then it isn't the best move to buy a WP7 device. Obviously, if you bought a WP7 device because you thought it would be better than Android, but were very disappointed with it once you got it home, then I think returning the device and swapping it for an Android powered one is what will hurt Microsoft the most.

A friend of mine recently bought two phones on a network that offered him a deal on Sat Nav software and increased the price of his tarriff in order to download map data. When he got the phones home it turned out that the software wasn't actually for those phones (Blackberry) and they didn't actually have GPS receivers in them even though the sales person assured him that they did. So, anybody can end up with a device that in retrospect don't want.

Cheers

andrew-in-woking
[Windows Phone 7 General] andrew-in-woking:
Biggest updates at the beginning

Hi apine

I have a feeling that the updates will be most significant at the beginning, i.e. any major new features will come in the first few updates. It seems that the forthcoming Q1 update will have some features that a lot of users are crying out for, e.g. copy and paste and that there are some major new features planned for the Q3/4 2011 update "mango".

I predict that while the first few updates that may bring significant new features, the impact of updates will tail off and they will become more like maintenance updates that fix bugs and improve performance, rather than introduce new features.

Cheers

andrew-in-woking
[Windows Phone 7 General] JamesAllen:
Unfortunately

This person will also test our patience to the limit, bore all of us with their repetitive and off topic rantings and try to hijack any thread that has any positive feedback about WP7. But that's OK, better here than in the threads meant to solicite positive feedback about WP7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mail5051:
Will the updates be free

Hi,

I was wondering that the updates that are going to be released from MS for WP7 will be for free of cost or the users have to pay for them. The releases will be OTA based like what I get for Nexus One or like we connect the phone to our PC and then download and install the updates like Nokia mid ranged phones. Any idea on this process.

Thank you.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Marvlesz:
It's probably going to be free :D, but the most question is "Will updates be available on non-official WP7 devices ?" Like HD2 ? :p
[Windows Phone 7 General] mail5051:
Yeah not sure about the type of updates will be like free or pay. Hope they follow the lines of Android in this that is to provide free updates.

As for HD2, hope your request is answered by MS too and have a great time with Windows Phone 7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Yakkaimono:
Why shouldn't they be free?:confused:

Up until now all kinds of firmware updates for phones were free regardles of which company/OS. It would be stupid to put a price tag on firmware updates especially if you have a new OS and tough competition.

What I'm more wondering about is if the furture versions of WP7 will work on the HD2 since by now MS surely realized how many people put WP7 on their HD2 with all the buzz in the internet and on their hotlines. If they can't stop the porting of the OS they definitely will be able to stop the live services from working on the HD2.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Reflexx1:
I think it may be the opposite. In the short term at least.

I think the first few updates may add minor features here and there to play "catch up". I don't believe that actual real significant new features that help differentiate WP7 from its competitors will happen until late in the year, or early next year. They will likely be packaged together and there will be a big marketing push to go along with it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
I think the smartphone market is quite saturated right now and Microsoft cannot afford to procrastinate on updates/features. Even RIM is pushing out some "more" attractive looking phones with the rumoured Torch 2, Dakota, and Storm 3.

Microsoft needs to take an objective look at the landscape and what it is offering.

Behind

- Apps: iPhone is the king. Android is next runner up

- Handset offering: Android is the king.

- Features: Android is the king.

But Windows Phone is unique enough to garner a following. It looks and feels different. If it was just a copycat OS then they would be in trouble. And no matter what the haters say, Windows Phone is further ahead of the curve than Android and iOS were at the same stage in development. The foundation is solid.

Is Windows Phone for everyone? No.

Is Windows Phone perfect? No.

Is Windows Phone behind when you consider its capabilities in total? Yes.

Luckily for anyone that owns or wants to own a Windows Phone, Microsoft is cash rich and resource rich and they will do whatever it takes to make the OS a success. Just look at the XBOX/XBOX360. The modding fiasco and the early high failure rates would have buried any other system.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
I'm already suprised that MS doesn't require you to give them at least the imei number to prove you have a wp7 device.

If you are connected to live services, I'm guessing updates will be available unless they add another way to lock the phone down.

why wouldn't they be free? Have you ever paid for a phone update? This doesn't make any sense.

As far as if they are over the air or not, no they will not be over the air. Your phone will tell you there is an update, and you will have to connect to zune to install it (via usb).

Not sure how they can stop it if they are giving activation codes out over the phone without any sort of verification.
[Windows Phone 7 General] truffle1234:
i was very tempted to upgrade my HD2 to WP7, however i will wait till the updates are out and if the HD2 can be upgraded with out being bricked... as loading WP7 on HD2 is pirecy, and Sony is bringing some guy in US to court for putting a jailbreak for PS3 on the web and ultimatly sue him and his buddies in court..

i am not sure what or how will the first upgrade will react as it will be on line with the phone connected to your PC and Zune connected to Microsoft website..
[Windows Phone 7 General] canadariot2312:
I think that the 1.1.X upgrade for the iPod Touch was about 20 dollars for four apps. Than 10 dollars for a next update. I jailbroke just because I wanted the notes app, which was extremely difficult back than. I think Steve Jobs said it was a way to get fees from iPod Touch users since they didn't pay for data and whatnot. Than again, there was literally no competition back than.

I am sure that we will be notified of the update, unless you turned that setting off. Not sure what Microsoft will do with the first update.
[Windows Phone 7 General] apine:
Agreed. The only way WP7 can succeed is by adding 'differentiated' features, ie. stuff you can't get else where. It doesn't seem like the Metro UI was enough, so they'll probably add something else. I don't think they'll stop with new features once they catch up to the competition. Rather, they'll try to out to them.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MrAndrewAu:
Missing:

1) Compass API

3) Camera API to get live camera feed

2) Support for gyroscope!
[Windows Phone 7 General] The Gate Keeper:
a gyroscope is basically just a more accurate accelerometer which the APIs already exist in the phone for. if OEMs wanted, they could probably just update the accelerometer to a gyroscope and all the APIs would be the same, though i think MS said accelerometer to keep it uniform and keep the price down a little, but i think it would be nice to have it as well. but the support is already in place for accelerometer.
[Windows Phone 7 General] kabumm:
i would like to see something to quit apps which are running in background.

for example: long press back-button to end all apps in background (which would be reachable using back-button)
[Windows Phone 7 General] nonameleft:
I also would like to see a kill switch for all apps. There have been times apps have frozen and required a power cycle to get them to work. It has been reported as a Marketplace issue but I have seen it happen with other apps.

I am surprised people are not screaming about navigation as they have about copy/paste. The phone has Maps and it can provide directions. Is that not more than half way there from being a turn by turn program? With GPS as standard on the phone why are we suffering without a turn by turn program? I really hope this is in the first OS upgrade. I am using my 6.5 phone with ALK Copilot to provide this feature. Better yet where is ALK, Garmin or Tom Tom for that matter?

I also wish the keyboard had an arrow up/down left/right feature.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Well all these issues has been voiced here I believe.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Esspweb:
Custom Essay Writing

Nice post. Thanks for sharing.
[Windows Phone 7 General] TomFrom:
Anyone think that the keyboard on WP7 is missing arrow keys to make editing text easier? sometimes im not able to press on the screen where i want to edit, meaning i have to delete a load of text to get to the bit i want to edit.
[Windows Phone 7 General] scoob101:
Sounds like you havent worked out how to reposition the cursor to exit text. Cursor keys are not needed in WP7!

Press and hold in the text box and a cursor will appear above your finger. Drag teh cursor to the word you want to edit. If the line is slightly too far up, and partially hidden, press on a word to highlight it and the line will scroll down - then you can use the above method to place the cursor on the line where you want to

Easy..
[Windows Phone 7 General] sergioiacobucci:
Well Said!

WELL SAID, I read these forums quite regularly and this is the first time I've seen anyone talking this amount of sense about early adoption of the WP7. Nice one.
[Windows Phone 7 General] BikerCVG:
I aggree... Love my LG (ATT) :D...

But to get back on subject has anyone heard anything new about the Jan/Feb update?? :)

BikerCVG
[Windows Phone 7 General] chumaj001:
FEW MORE

I would add few more annoyances that should be updated:

SMART DIALER - Its absence is really insane

FAVORITE CONTACTS TILE/FRAME/HUB - I want either favorites instead recent in my contact hub (recent calls are in dialer anyway) and of course with pictures

CALL LOG with pictures - SENSE dialer has it a nd its nice

SMS TO ANY NUMBER FROM CONTACT - I just realized, that I can send SMS to only one number when viewing contact with multiple numbers. Annoying.

INTEGRATION OF TWITTER/LINKED IN into contacts hub. Nice to have facebook, but I would like to have more social networks at one place

MORE SETTINGS FOR DEVICE LOCK - it would be nice to have different settings for locking when connected and when on battery
[Windows Phone 7 General] Marvin_S:
you can text 2 numbers.

Just duplicate the account and change the number. Link them. And both numbers show up as mobile numbers in which you can text both.

I dont use twitter so for me not a problem at all. The only thing I miss is the integration of facebook messages instead of just write on wall of the contact. This would be cool if it could be integrated in the plain messages hub.

And it took me a while how to find out how to call someone who texted me :) its actually not very difficult, pressing the name in the messagehub will open the contact card. At first I just went in the message hub, back out, scroll contact list, click profile, click call, very annoying...

Pictures in call-log is just a personal thing. I like not having the pictures in the call-log. Its fine this way, I do remember who I called with recently and not have gray boxes showing up for contacts without a picture, private numbers, or companies, is quite nice. Though it wont be hard for ms to implement.
[Windows Phone 7 General] WhyBe:
This is not true at all. They are not the same thing. This is why iPhone has all three. Gyroscopes detect body rotation (much more quickly/accurately than a compass). An accelerometer can't be turned into a gyroscope.

The combination of a compass and accelerometer could be a poor man's gyroscope, but it would be nowhere near as responsive and usefull as a real gyroscope. There goes Apple with that "responsiveness" again ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
True but it was the same with WM because contacts can have only one specified mobile number.

But it's easier. When you start sms from messaging app, you can just add any number from the contact.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
BTW a very good article:

http://wmpoweruser.com/the-art-of-stalling/
[Windows Phone 7 General] zobsiksna:
tnq its asome ;););)
[Windows Phone 7 General] andrew-in-woking:
Not that easy...

Hi scoob101

I have to agree with the poster on this problem. While the feature you suggest is there, I don't find it that easy to use. Part of the problem is that if you hold the cursor on the top or bottom row of the visible text input area it automatically scrolls up or down accordingly after a very short period (maybe one quarter of a second). As the onscreen keyboard remains displayed in this mode, when typing a text message, for example, in landscape mode, I find it very difficult to get the cursor exactly where I want it because only two rows of text are visible. This causes the cursor to jump up and down and makes it difficult to control.

I find that in the end I either have to turn the device around to get Portrait mode active or select a word by tapping it, even if I don't want to replace that word.

The possible solutions in terms of a future could be:

1) When you tap and hold in a text box to get the cursor up, the keyboard either fades to semi-transparent to allow you to place the cursor "under" it or temporarily disappears until the cursor is placed.

2) When you tap and hold in a text box to get the cursor up, a set of direction arrows appears on the screen to enable you to move the cursor where you want. These arrows could then automatically disappear when you start typing again.

3) Simply lengthen the time it takes for the text input area to start scrolling when the cursor is being held in the top or bottom row of text.

Cheers

andrew-in-woking
[Windows Phone 7 General] LandSharkMarc:
The first thread and the first post I read, and already I learn something new about my Venue Pro. Thanks Scoob101! Been frustrated about text editing so this helps a lot.

And on the other stuff--yes, I would like more functions right now, and I'm as impatient as the next guy, but I absolutely love the experience with WP7 at this point. I think we tend to focus a lot on what we don't have, but neglect that what we do have is as good or better than anything else on the market IMO.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Marvin_S:
I would like to have reliable push notifications and not having apps say they cant establish a channel and having to restart the device :) but I think this will be fixed in the next update.
[Windows Phone 7 General] cheers!:
I want Outlook direct sync!

I know it was mentioned in an earlier reply, but I want to cast my vote for direct sync with Outlook. Specifically, I want to be able to sync my Outlook contacts and calendar directly with my computer via USB or BT, like I could with my WinMo phone and ActiveSync. (My emails is POP3 and is hosted by a 3rd party).

Yes, I have it working now using Outlook Connector through a hotmail account. But some contacts don't sync fully and I had to set up additional live account to support an additional calendar and contact list (and no, it's not acceptable that I should have to set up a new Outlook profile to simplify this!)

I suspected there are not that many standalone (non-Exchange) Outlook users out there, but I've seen numerous requests for this on other forums.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Titus_Andronicus:
Well I got the LG Optimus Quantum. Love the WP7, but the GPS is crap. Maybe it is just the API, but I fear it is the actualy chipset. Now I really need the Bluetooth SPP (Serial Port Profile) to get my good GPS working with my WP7.

Please MS, Bluetooth SPP please!!!
[Windows Phone 7 General] NickA_55:
Wondering the same thing myself. Has anyone heard of what may be announced/introduced at Mobile World Congress in a couple weeks? Maybe some new devices?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Wonderstruck80:
Hopefully a sign of updates soon to come:

http://wmpoweruser.com/troubleshooting-support-page-for-windows-phone-7-update-shows-up/