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[Legend General] abovingdon:
So how does Apple keep previous versions of iPhones current with software updates released at the same time as the latest versions? iPhone 3 has most of the features of 4 - where supported by the hardware. The enthusiasts will upgrade for the new hardware - the better screen in the case of the iPhone 4 or the bigger display in the case of the Desire HD for example. Phone companies don't need to keep swapping out chips etc that makes their life harder. They can standardize on key aspects and minimize system porting.

It's not just HTC that is getting this wrong though, it's a common problem across all Android phones. It will be interesting to see if Microsoft can keep customers WP7 phones current.

There is no excuse for device manufacturers to alienate consumers so quickly. A phone should remain current for at least 2 years by which time performance, design and new hardware should have motivated an upgrade. Blocking upgrades earlier than this simply angers their customers and it is not just the geeky tech-heads either. I know non-technical people upset that their Android phone does not have the same capabilities as a friends slightly newer one - they actually called HTC and their phone company as a result, which costs those companies in customer care calls as a result.
[Legend General] Chaotick:
abovingdon => Microsoft has an agenda that all WP7 devices have certain high hardware requirements just so the software can be optimized for these requirements and for future updates ( in the future I expect that here will be devices running WP7 with dual core CPU).

However as BlaY0 wrote too much updates is not a good thing because the software feels less complete...and that way and M$ has a tendency to screw up the updates on their OS ( however recently with the Windows 7 OS I am quiet pleased with their update policy ).However if the updates are certain enhancements to make the phone better I'm quite happy with thta policy.....time will tell however what's up with WP7 and the Android 2.3 ( and future ver. also).
[Legend General] BlaY0:
So let me get this straight... your goal by using this device is to install as many apps as it can hold? Ohh c'mon man.... give me something more than that!!!

Was there even before 1.6...
[Legend General] tigerbauch:
Bull****, the performance might be better when you compare the letters. In fact, the stock froyo legend have the same performance like a stock eclair device.I compared almost every app on both handsets with the result: no difference. it's an urban legend
[Legend General] neverg:
Either you don't read right or you don't want to.

Move2SD is on Android since 1.6? Not by default for sure.

And he didn't say he wants to install every app, I don't and I'm running out of space, because there are apps that take a crapload of spacec, like Google Earth. So think befeore writing anything making yourself look bad.

Yes it's Legend, but it's not a Urban Legend. Please don't spread wrong information. There is a boost in performance YES. It's been confirmed, it's due to the Just-In-Time (JIT) Compiler and it's real. The Legend is very snappy already so of course you won't notice it most of the times, you will in games such as Angry Birds, just as an example.

I've very happy with my Legend. I don't care if HTC Is taking longer as long as I get the Upgrade and it solves some bugs it currently has. And as far as I'm concerned, I will buy more HTC Phones in the future, they have the best approach to Android and the built quality is usually superior to other manufactors.
[Legend General] NdrU:
No, what I'm saying is that there are some apps I'd like (not need) to use, but I can't.

And btw I'm not one of those people complaining about not having froyo and promising never to buy an HTC phone again. I was just answering your question why does having froyo make a difference (even though you haven't asked me ;))
[Legend General] tigerbauch:
Awesome,I will notice better performance in angry birds? How monumental is that? :) People should remember why they bought a smartphone and not a psp out a nds...... Pffffff, angry birds.......
[Legend General] prabhu_mohan:
Guys i got information that HTC Legend production is stopped .
[Legend General] neverg:
Yes, because you are the one that should say people why they buy a smartphone or not. Angry Birds ONLY has 30 Million Downloads so far, so because you don't like it, no one else can. Idiot post is idiot.

And I don't play Angry Birds myself or any games in my HTC Legend because I don't see much point in it, but many people do and the Performance increase is evident in there. So just because you don't see a point in your mobile phone performing better, it doesn't mean it's not a good thing.

:rolleyes:
[Legend General] BOversoe:
They pretty much just released the black edition, so can't really believe that..
[Legend General] netdias:
More white noise........ LOL
[Legend General] tigerbauch:
....... And other senseless posts lol
[Legend General] ananthm2k5:
Are you guys forgetting that froyo has a newer browser ? With a new javascript engine ? It results in visibly noticeable performance boost. Websites load way faster , I have seen it in person. That in

Itself is a big reason for me wanting froyo ?

That and angry birds works without a hitch :P

Also there is not enough space for my apps always. I have to delete apps to install others, I hate doing the micro management. What is the point of having an app store with 100,000 apps if you can have only 10-15 installed at a time ?
[Legend General] tigerbauch:
Ok the new browser is a reason, but a reference site loads within 6 instead of 8 seconds...... Better than nothing,na?
[Legend General] BlaY0:
In those 2 seconds you can be killed by Steven Seagal... twice...

So you better update to FroYo and make it quick!

Sent from my HTC Legend
[Legend General] roos_t:
Unless.... you're Chuck Norris. In that case you would not only kill Steven Seagal 7 times over and over, but also create a Gingerbread build yourself for your Legend, cure cancer, kick global warming's ass, find extraterrestrial life forms on Mars, finish all levels of Angry Birds... and you would still have 1,5 seconds left
[Legend General] BlaY0:
OK, so do you need app2sd or do you need it by default?

And of course, you are using Google Earth on a daily basis and find Legend's display perfect to display such content?

In last several months I probably did more for Legend's community on XDA than you would do in your entire life, so cut the crap and be reasonable!

I still haven't heard a single reasonable improvement in 2.2 from you guys that would significantly change productivity patterns of Legend's users. All I got is "I can't install gazillion of apps on 2.1 but can do that on 2.2!" or "I can play Angry Birds really fast on 2.2... my birds are so damn fast!"

Is that the best you can do with this phone?

Sent from my HTC Legend
[Legend General] tnakir:
@Blayo... if you ain't got anything smarter to say (it doesn't include trolling) please GTFO here.

MarkMoons twitted:

We are almost there, but not quite
[Legend General] BlaY0:
So by your definition smart is someone who every single day come to this thread and write "Still no update here!"??

Such ppl deserve smartphones that would never be updated because they are smart enough for them.

Yeah, and go to the Mark's Twitter page, sit there and wait for him to twit... lamer!

Sent from my HTC Legend
[Legend General] TheLegendaryJay:
pfft Chuck Norris would kill Steven Seagal, kill you, root your Legend, install a Chuck Norris Gingerbread rom, make ze love to your wife - all in 2 seconds. ph34r Chuck Norris!
[Legend General] TheLegendaryJay:
damn you roos_t, damn you too the Bermuda Triangle !
[Legend General] BlaY0:
You are really slow bro. Are you still on Eclair or what...

Sent from my HTC Legend
[Legend General] NdrU:
Allright, here's one, it's not Legend specific, but rather a genral eclair to froyo improvement:

On 2.1, I can't access my Uni's Information System, it first says the certificate is invalid (it is not) and then, after accepting the certificate, it says "Server failed to communicate" and shows a blank page.

This is a real pain in the arse for me. I first found out it's not possible when I was coming late to my first tutorial this semester and tried to check what room it was in on my way. I couldn't access the site, so I had to come to the computer room, login to IS and come five minutes late. And that's not the single instance when accessing the IS from my mobile phone would be useful. Last semester I used to doublecheck the exam rooms from my old WM6.1 phone etc.

I did some searching, found several bug reports related to https, but none of the suggested workarounds helps.

Later I found someone asking about this problem on a czech android forum and they've been told it's the site administrators problem. The fact that it works in every desktop browser I've tried, in Opera Mobile for WM and on the iPhone makes me feel that that's not the case.

Installing other browsers doesn't help, because they are "just" frontends to the same engine.

The only two browsers I could use to access the site from my phone are Opera Mini and Opera Mobile. I obviously won't use Opera Mini, no matter how much I trust the guys running Opera servers, I'm not giving them my password, and I can't use Opera Mobile because there's no bloody space on my phone.

I've just tried accessing the site from an emulator running 2.2 and it works. So yeah, froyo will significantly improve my productivity.

EDIT: that said, I'm still not bit***ching about not having the update, I'm just explaining why I'm really looking forward to it.
[Legend General] ANtiHazarD:
we wait for official 2.2?
[Legend General] TheLegendaryJay:
Yeah, the latest Vodafone OTA upgraded me from Eclair to Eclair with extra cream :D

But hey Check out this thread on getting gingerbread on the Legend ;)
[Legend General] NdrU:
"This video is not available in your country."

I swear I thought that would be a rickroll
[Legend General] Snapphane:
Well since 2.2 has app2SD I would be able to get an office app. That would probably make me more productive. Not to mention that Google Docs works on-line with 2.2.

I'm sure I will find other examples ones I get 2.2 on my legend :)
[Legend General] whitetigerdk:
@blay0··

Most important change l have noticed is when you go into

Settings ... about phone ... software information .. the phone now

Shows 2.2 not 2.1 anymore.. that must be a new feature??
[Legend General] aphex5:
why are u so obsessed with productivity man?

I don't want to be productive ok?

I just want to install gazillion of apps and play angry birds thats all.

whats wrong with that?

why do we have to be productive with this phone?

when I want to be productive I use my imac, not my legend ok?

do I need to get an approval from you on how to use my legend?

whats wrong with you?
[Legend General] aphex5:
I come every single day to this thread

I never wrote "still no update here" or something like that

but I read all these posts and I like them

if you don't like them, dont come here and dont read them

that's smart isn't it?
[Legend General] BlaY0:
True. But I can tell you a completely different story. Here where I live, students with FroYo have problems accessing UNI's Wi-Fi while there is no problem accessing it from Eclair.

aphex5: Have you escaped from elementary school? Do you need a hug? Or maybe someone (your mom) to wipe your nose? If Legend is not enough for your playground desires you can freely buy a PlayStation... moaning about not getting update every week won't help you...
[Legend General] taleboblen:
Still love my Legend... HTC promises, not so much....
[Legend General] netdias:
Silence ! I KILL YOU!

That's the one :D
[Legend General] neverg:
Now you are trolling... Well not now, you've started long ago.

I'm not eager for the update, I don't need the new features that much. But what you are saying is moronic. You don't get to decide what I need or not in my Smartphone, nor what I use or not. Nor what I want to install or not. So stop there, you are getting subjective. Truth is, Froyo is an update with good features and therefore people are waiting for it.

I'm not mad at HTC, I was hoping to have the update, but don't care that much, got more stuff to get worried about, it will eventually come. But comming here reading comments like yours make me wanna post. :rolleyes:
[Legend General] ananthm2k5:
That was only an example. Many heavy websites load way faster( the difference is more than 2 seconds), or some cases load at all. The video performance ( while streaming ) is also leaps and bounds ahead compared to eclair. This altogether makes the browsing experience that little bit more enjoyable.

And I repeat my point I need more space to install apps. I didn't by this phone to be productive ( or whatever crap). I bought it to make calls, text, browse the web , play a few time killing games during a long commute, some music. That is it. I don't need my phone to make me more productive.

Also people asking everyone to get on with their lives etc shut up. Everyone here has a life. But in a thread dedicated to the froyo update in an android forum you will not find people saying "the stock market was at a new high today" or "my girlfriend dumped me today" .. they are going to talk about the update, they will whine, crib etc here because this thread , forum is dedicated to that part of their life. If you cannot digest that I'm sorry I cannot help you.
[Legend General] tigerbauch:
I absolutely agree with you.I will install froyo when there is a reason (for me) to do it.
[Legend General] Snapphane:
Apparently HTC Germany says it's in the final testphase and should be out within 2 weeks. They also say that Wildfire will get 2.2 before the end of this year. And they say this is the best and most accurate information. Fingers crossed...
[Legend General] seereek:
I was wondering. Why the hell if froyo is so buged, they've released it for Vodafone? How? Why? For what? Will Voda get official update after froyo gets officially released or what? Why we have to wait? And secondly - would be possible to install gingerbread on legend? You know, I mean with full 'equipment'? Developers have code, right? I know that official support to legend with gingerbread is impossible but still...
[Legend General] mtrax:
it seems to me that really alot of people what a google phone like Nexus as this gets updates more regularly perhaps they should put out two ROMs 1. HTC and 2. google.

So I guess we will be very out-of-luck to wish for Android 3.0 for Legend.

but by then we might have a better phone available, sad to say as I would have liked a true upgradable phone.
[Legend General] NdrU:
Oh, I didn't know that. Allright, I'm not waiting for froyo anymore, I will stick with eclair, just in case the update would render my device unable to connect to the Uni's wifi.

Thanks for the info!
[Legend General] logoo:
To be honest I really don't care about froyo or eclair...

What I can see is:

- It's been 6 month i've this phone and I've never been able to use wifi because of the buggy hardware/softare???

Very cool for a smartphone...

- The keyboard is too small for me exept on landscape mode but this mode is not smooth at all (even the old iphone 3G was smoother so it's definitely a software problem)

I don't want ANY new thing. Just the things they sold us without bugs. (I don't even speak about the irritating SMS bug...)

That's my last HTC phone, maybe i'm a bit strict because legend is not a bad phone at all but i don't expect the same things from a 100€ and a 400€ phone..
[Legend General] bwilliams1:
Just got an update notice on my legend.
[Legend General] ANtiHazarD:
wow :-) Grats man
[Legend General] speedkx:
I got the buggy 2.05.405.2 (the one they pulled) an hour ago. I guess they are preparing to push froyo, because there isn't an upgrade path from 1.31.x.x
[Legend General] ANtiHazarD:
Yes! I'am updating for now... the same!
[Legend General] Phollux:
Thought it was Froyo ... :(
[Legend General] bwilliams1:
Awesome, did the update, now my wifi wont start.

And its not Froyo its 2.1 update1
[Legend General] Tanayar:
Got a update now to 2.05.405.2

My legend now runs 2.1 update 1
[Legend General] brianlang:
No froyo here, just got 2.05 in denmark. But I sure hope that means we are getting there
[Legend General] virani_joush:
No froyo yet... I guess we will have it tomorrow on 9th december...
[Legend General] fac51:
Just woke up and an update was waiting for me; off to hospital for an op so can't download but it looks like Froyo (UK).
[Legend General] daltz01:
I am new here, but am keeping an eye on group. Just seen some people talking about 2.1 update 1. I think I have had this for at least a month. In Australia.
[Legend General] Chaotick:
Got AN update in Poland....Android 2.1-update1 2.05.405.2 etc. ...Not FroYo for sure...
[Legend General] stuffynet:
not froyo. the wildfire got it to.
[Legend General] SnowToad:
Yep me too, I'm from Australia and have had the "2.1-update1" for like, ever. Might have just been a specific to carrier fix or something though

Although I've never had Wifi or SMS bug problems like people are always complaining about
[Legend General] kuklux:
not froyo!

*** FOUND NEW VERSION P2 *** http://fotadl.htc.com/OTA_Legend_HTC_WWE_2.05.405.2_P2-2.03.405.3_releasey9hopuy72xa8h1ki.zip
[Legend General] Chaotick:
The sad thing is however that THIS update should be on our phones ages ago not just conviniently and hopefully "couple of days " before the BIG 2.2 update...It's like HTC realised that " oh sh*t to install 2.2 legend owners need 2.05 XXX.....okey we will give it to them then...."....That makes me really pissed off.
[Legend General] bwilliams1:
Can someone save me from searching forever and let me know if there is an easy fix for the unable to start wifi?
[Legend General] :
And now I'm also the happy owner of the SMS bug... hope I get froyo soon, other wise I'll have to use a 3-party sms app.

crossing my fingers

does anybody know the difference between 2.1 vs 2.1 update1 - can't seem to find any good description anywhere.
[Legend General] kid1988:
They're updating everyone unbranded to 2.05.405.2

thats the latest eclair version

Guess froyo is close...
[Legend General] shara6:
@bwilliams

i'm no expert, but i think one of the solutions of your problem is by flashing=>downgrading your ROM... you can try other base ROMs like WWE_Asia rom, but you will have the sms bug... there's a easy guide to downgrade at the android development forums...
[Legend General] bwilliams1:
Yep, downgraded back to 1.31 then let it take the update again.. works now.
[Legend General] nethopper:
HTC pulled this update earlier from OTA because it was buggy. The fact that they push this now implies that Froyo will be here any moment... but in HTC terms, this might be weeks
[Legend General] shara6:
does it have the sms bug? iirc, when i flashed the 2.05 update i didn't get the sms bug...
[Legend General] hekermeker:
updated

I've just updated to 2.05.405.2.

I checked, no sms bug.

At first time i did not find any wireless network but I did a reset to my router and after that, no problem, now the wireless network is working.

But in the menu appeared something like "Internet sharing" and I do not remember having this option.
[Legend General] gallery:
New things in w2.1 updates are

New quick office icon

Multitouch in Google maps

The great sms bug
[Legend General] NdrU:
I've already asked in this thread, but haven't got a reply:

What is the sms bug? Is it the fact that new sms are on the bottom and you have to scroll down to see them? Or is it something completely different?
[Legend General] :
Thanks for the quick reply.

It was as I assumed - no really important changes.

I was hoping for the new layout in the sms app. My wife has a wildfire, and the textbox in her sms app is alot bigger than my textbox. And she also has the possibility to attach files without having to press the menu button!!

Guess I have to look at handcent until I get froyo..

Thanks again for the quick reply

/Glenn
[Legend General] PandaVoyageur:
Exactly! For those just updating, think about poor us who had this for months now (and no I don't like handcent)

Mark Moons twitted:

and after google translate:

Yep, no doubt here he must be speaking about Legend ;)
[Legend General] tigerbauch:
Same here. Have this update since July without any problems. I'm using handcent, never used the normal SMS program, so I don't know that SMS bug. Cannot remember if update 1 was a win for my device.
[Legend General] Tracebustabustabusta:
I don't have the sms or wifi bug now as I got the legend after the update was pulled. Should I update or wait until froyo is available?
[Legend General] nxdu:
Had 2.1 update 1 for months, Singapore.
[Legend General] petertakov:
MMoons should quit spreading BS when he obviously has no clue - people are already pissed off enough. WTF "not quite there yet" means? Is it the same as few days, few weeks and the sort?
[Legend General] DeeJayDark UE:
New Rollout of 2.05.405.2 is a step closer to Froyo :)
[Legend General] tnakir:
Yeah... why doesn't he just STFU if he ain't got no firm information.
[Legend General] BlaY0:
He's a good salesman. Salesmen (by definition) don't actually know what is going on in tech dept or prod dept. For example devices are not ready yet... not even finished, lacking some key parts but salesmen don't actually care, they sell them to you anyway... they sell to you empty boxes and try to convince you that it is better for you if the box is empty. Moons is no different and still majority here is eating from his hands...
[Legend General] petertakov:
What is he actually selling in this particular case?

He has a very good product and a number of people (who bought the product long before they even heard of MMons) who stated that they'll never buy HTC again because of his salesman abilities. That's how good a salesman he is.
[Legend General] gallery:
Android market updated with related applications and automatic updates just now for my legend
[Legend General] BlaY0:
He is selling the whole package to you... device, support, service. But this package is nearly empty and yet ppl are still buying from him. Those who are the loudest in whining and *****ing here will shut up when update is available. And he will win again...
[Legend General] kleutscher:
The update from today is needed for Froyo its part 1 a preparation update. So Froyo is almost there.
[Legend General] petertakov:
And it is so since September :)
[Legend General] tnakir:
@Blayo - the only thing MM and HTC sold me is - I aint buying HTC again.

From all I've seen is:

HTC has louzy programmers (Froyo was out by Modaco and other hobby cooks way before they released it for Desire, Legend etc..., heck they can't (wont) correct damn SMS bug which is just a matter of sorting messages, how hard can it be to fix ???).

Their support sucks (they provide no information whatsoever about froyo, bugs etc etc),

Mark Moons is proven to be a bad CEO... He does not have any info about what do his employees do (froyo will be done till 6.12.2010... ups, I guess not, sorry guys, but yeah, it will be done soon, it is finished but not quite finished...).

If this happened in a company where I work, half of the company would get fired.

So Blayo... if all of this makes you continue to be a HTC customer, plz... be my guest. I had enough of lies and incompetence.
[Legend General] kleutscher:
Tnakir what are you going to buy next then?
[Legend General] taleboblen:
Got the 2.05.405.2 update today for my unbranded Legend in Denmark....
[Legend General] tigerbauch:
Then my legend is ready since half a year.
[Legend General] TheLegendaryJay:
What people like Blayo, myself and others are trying to get through to people who say they won't but HTC again because of this 'fiasco' is that most other if not all other OEM/Manufacturers are worse for updating their devices than HTC.

But hey it's your money, we're just trying to make you realise HTC are not that worst ;)
[Legend General] tnakir:
I am going to buy iPhone or some Win7Mobile device. My mobile contract expires in 2011/08 so I'll be thinking about it then.