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[Legend General] jorgesalvador:
I simply don't trust flashing into my phone, which has private information, any customized firmware stored somewhere in the intarwebs.

I debranded my Legend after I bought it because the Vodafone original branded version had some serious bugs, including one that pretty much broke the Market.

So now I have a unbranded firmware, version 2.05.405.2, which also has serious bugs like the dreaded SMS one. Today I cave in and tried to rebrand it to the Vodafone firmware, but the process failed with some BOOTLOADER error ... (I do have a working goldcard, the one I used to debrand it)

As I've said before, I can live without the updates to my phone, but it has become such a pain in the ass that what it impacts is my feeling on HTC as a company, my next phone will likely be again an Android phone, but for sure not HTC.
[Legend General] madcat340:
sorry! but unlike you there are people who want what they where promised! No one will claim anything because unlike 2.2 it was not PROMISED for the Legend its unfair giving out the update to one customer and not the other ESPECIALLY when that that customer bought the project direct and direct customers should always come first as they are the most loyal the rest will move on.

HTC is just being a complete catface(yes i said it) by not letting us have this update what a bunch of nobs :P
[Legend General] BOversoe:
my HTC Legend is my very first HTC phone, and my first android as well. When I purchased it in June I chose this one, because I was promised by HTC themselves that 2.2 would be available soon, and I was looking forward to many of the changes.. But here we are, almost 6 months later.. HTC lied and cheated. I could proberbly have gone by with 3-4 months of delay - if that was what HTC had been saying from the beginning. But all of these delays, over and over again, and now the promise "unbranded phone will get the 2.2 update soon, then branded ones", and then seeing vodafone customers getting the update 2 weeks (and counting) before the rest of us.. I really feel like theyre taking a huge dump on all of us.

I've decided that I'm gonna get an Iphone4 instead. Don't think I'll be able to trust HTC again..
[Legend General] tigerbauch:
Want a handkerchief?
[Legend General] jennan88:
there are kids dying in africa you know. perspective: it's just a software update for an already good phone. if the sms bug bothered you that much, you install handcent. if you wanted froyo reeeally badly, you install CM. i don't hate HTC for delaying it, because I think the Legend is already a great phone.
[Legend General] taleboblen:
FROYO is like double rainbows...
[Legend General] rajasyaitan:
Well said guys.
[Legend General] sjaak1234:
Ofcourse, but that doesnt mean you are not allowed to complain. HTC made a promise and now for no reason that is publicly stated makes us wait longer while we know the update is ready.

If you are going to have to compare everything to kids starving in Africa than basically you will have to put up with everything. Obviously it doesnt work that way. You payed money for a product and are allowed to have certain expectations regarding the product and its lifecycle.

Now obviously you can ***** all you want about the 2.2 update and it wont change a thing but as a consumer it is the only way that you might get something done.
[Legend General] jennan88:
I was being faceitious with the kids starving in Africa thing. I just count my lucky stars I don't really care when the Froyo upgrade comes, cause it must suck for you that do. Besides, there's already close-to-stock versions available on MoDaCo if you're desperate.
[Legend General] mtrax:
I'm a bit confused why theres a delay , I'm mean if VF can release a ROM why can't HTC , are the ROMs so much different?
[Legend General] tigerbauch:
Wrong! There is a good reason for htc to wait: money from Vodafon.
[Legend General] jennan88:
And your proof for that is?
[Legend General] Chaotick:
There must be some reason for this wait...or we can assume that HTC policy it to further "torture" Legend users with the lack od update....which seems a bit too dramatic for me.
[Legend General] :
Agree

I agree...

We bought and paid for a Legend with Android 2.1. If (yes, I said IF) we get 2.2 we should be happy. If we don't get 2.2 - well that is just too bad.

You know, my car manufaturer has made a new model of the same car i have - but they dont give me the new seat and interior just because they make a new model....!!!

HTC could choose to release an smsbug-fix and just leave you with that.

I'm happy with 2.1 and i'm not going to cry about it if i dont get 2.2.
[Legend General] jorgesalvador:
If we agree that the lifecycle of an Android OS is:

Released from Google -> passed to manufacturers for their modifications -> passed to carriers for their further modifications

Then is safe to assume that if we are at step three, step two is already done. The simplest reason for HTC to hold out is money, and usually the more simple solution is the right one.
[Legend General] Chaotick:
glennfilbert=> There is no "if". HTC said on more than one ocassion that Legend will recieve the 2.2 FroYo update.The analogy to a new/old generaltion for the same car is IMHO opinion wrong bacause in new cars there are computers called ECU which manages the cycle and functions of engines. Their software is updated and given a factory reset during a service ( I'm refering to newer cars in general).

HTC in not obliged to roll out any form of update on given devices I can agreed with that. But not in a situation when the update is announced on more than one ocassion and is physically present (at least on Vodafone legends). There are no IF's ...just because there IS froYo on Legend.
[Legend General] :
I know its wrong to compare cars and phones. I was just trying to "paint a picture".

And I know HTC said FROYO will come, and we as consumers have to believe them! the only reason I wrote IF, was because many people start to doubt it.

I believe we will have FROYO, but im not aware of the timeframe seeing as it has taken some time to release it, and we are still waiting.

My point being, they could have released it 3 weeks ago, or in 5 months - people would still find something to complain about. Another wise user in this thread wrote "when 2.2 comes, there will be a new thread about 2.3".
[Legend General] familyhousing:
It is irrelevant whether we are entitled to froyo or not. The last 2.1 update broke core functionality. Why has it not been fixed? Because froyo update will apparently fix the bugs.

HTC can string us along about froyo as much as they like (even though it is terrible for customer relations) but when there is a fix available for a major bug it is outrageous that they should hold it back from certain customers with no explanation.

Should we winged and complain? Absolutely. Complacency will only result in HTC thinking they can get away with it next time. Some people need to stop supporting HTC like it were a football team. We paid for it, we demand after-sale service.
[Legend General] jorgesalvador:
And oh wise men won't you see the pathetic nature of that? 2.2 was announced before the Legend came out, so no doubt HTC knew about it and could have started work on it right and there, still 2.3 is going to be announced/released almost if not before the unbranded 2.2 update is out for the Legend.

Of course there will be a new thread about 2.3.
[Legend General] :
Oh I'm sorry. Just for you I will specify:

When 2.2 comes TO THE LEGEND, there will be a new thread about 2.3 FOR THE LEGEND.

This is a Legend thread..... I'm quite familiar with android 2.2 and the fact that is has been on the market before the Legend.
[Legend General] netdias:
Nice customers

I would like to have you guys that don´t care about after-sale service as customers...

If I treat like this my own customers, I would be out of business.

Look at what happened to McAfee and Toyota, if consumers do not fight for their rights you would have crappy cars and (more) crappy software around, and the big companies would just laugh of you.

I thought that in this modern times, consumers would be more concerned about their rights... guess I was wrong... :(
[Legend General] jennan88:
Yeah but what you have to realise is it's okay that you care so much about the Froyo update, that's fine with me. But I don't, and it sounds some others aren't that bothered either. As a consumer, I'm very concerned about my rights. But when I read about how the SE Experia X10 is only just getting Eclair, I feel pretty good about HTC's customer service.

My phone is a midrange phone and it's getting the update after the top of the line Desire. That doesn't really surprise me.

And, again, if you desperately want Froyo and can't wait a couple more weeks, there's always CM or the MoDaCo ROMs. I get where you guys are coming from, I'm just saying that - as a consumer in exactly the same boat as you - it doesn't make me want to burn my phone's box and claim I'll never buy an HTC again.
[Legend General] netdias:
Hello Jennan88

I understand your point, but the topic is "Unbranded Legend getting Froyo in few days"

After the news on the Italian HTC Tweeter about this "update in few days" and knowing that VF was releasing the update, I opened a ticket with HTC, and the reply was that they did not know when it was going to happen.

It makes no sense this reply. In my opinion it's not a good customer care.

Makes sense that next time I choose another phone builder. I think the problem is not if I will have or not 2.2 or 2.3, is the way HTC deals with the customer.

Also I'm not that radical and torch my phone or kick someone from HTC in the nuts :)
[Legend General] jennan88:
Fair enough man, difference of opinion. :D

I hope ya'll can last the days until it's out
[Legend General] netdias:
LOL I think we can manage, unfortunately there are other worries in the world nowadays... but those are things for another forum :o
[Legend General] ananthm2k5:
Hey this thread isn't update complaining for the froyo update.

Most of us are angry that the Vodafone branded phones got the update while direct customers such as us did not. In my opinion that is completely fair.

Also the sms bug is really annoying. I'm using handcent now but I really don't like using a third party app for basic functionality . I paid a lot of money for this phone and I should be able to use sms ? Is asking for this wrong ? The fact that HTC has remained mum despite many e-mails to customer care etc makes me want to burn my phone's box and claim I'll never buy an HTC again.

Just my two cents.
[Legend General] dannsf:
I disagree with the fact that vodafone customers got the update first. We are direct customers, we did pay more to get the phone. I don't get it how HTC thinks that customers would just shut up and take it as "fair" that some users get froyo and others don't...

I too am using Handcent SMS but have gotten used to it... but I do agree with your point over third party apps for basic functionality...
[Legend General] anonymouse44:
There is also the very annoying "your sim card has changed" bug that some of us have. When I complained to HTC about this they suggested I should send my phone back " for repair". No I won't. Just correct the bugs YOU sent to my phone. My first HTC phone and probably my last, they haven't a clue about customer service.
[Legend General] ananthm2k5:
Just to clarify I was saying us getting angry is completely fair and justified.
[Legend General] CTEBAH:
Amen!!

It's incredible that they can have such a good engineering team, they put so much effort designing their devices, even software (bugs will always be present in one form or another) is first class as Sense is going to be a model for future Android GUIs, and at the same time to have customer service that SUX so much. Unbelievable!!!!

I had three HTC phones so far, Legend is going to be my last - it doesn't matter if they release Froyo for it or not. So many uncoordinated responses from support teams, delays upon delays upon delays - it's no way to treat loyal customers. Also this is not happening only with Legend. Look what happened to Hero and Tattoo. How many times they promised to release an update and how many times did they back down on their word? Worse is they never released any final word on their web site even when they knew that Legend customers are in turmoil over uninformed and clueless HTC support.

The only reason why I will continue to follow news about HTC is in case they change their name so that I'd know which one I need to avoid. In any decent company heads would roll over this and then the company would issue a public apology to its customers. Google should kick them out of partnership for such despicable treatment of customers.
[Legend General] Timothye:
I personally would just like to have some sort of answer from HTC about FroYo 2.2 .

Is it coming to our legend (s) ?

Why is it only released for >Vodafon was it ?

and where are the black and white legend(s) with froYo 2.2 ?

did i miss something ::::::.......?

/T
[Legend General] whitetigerdk:
We'll get FroYo tomorrow...

If you don't believe me...

Read this post again tomorrow..
[Legend General] cphkelvin:
We can see this kind of post every day but that's not a fact....
[Legend General] Timothye:
well i have had it up to my ears with HTC ..

i decided to email customer support and ask about the update to froyo and also to tell them how i feel about their products .

i received a reply in less than 5 minutes .

they replied with.

there will be an update to your mobile to froyo 2.2

at the end of November .

good news!

@whitetigerdk

Which post are you refering to ?

Cheers

/T
[Legend General] tigerbauch:
Still kindergarten here? Omfg next time don't buy a device without a update guarantee.I really want to have your problems.....
[Legend General] iHans:
Why do you even read this topic if you do not care about Froyo upgrade? You do not have to reply to every topic in Legend forum.
[Legend General] dannsf:
Hahahaha!

Well, I do wonder if they work weekends, coz if they don't then I bet we are getting it by November 30th LOL

God, I honestly don't get it how HTC can take so long to release froyo to unbranded users.. :confused:
[Legend General] Timothye:
update guarantee ?

is there such a thing ?

I'll be happy to have a few of the options i want that come with Froyo 2.2

My next mobile will be an Iphone if the Seabird 2 doesn't materialize ..

Cheers

/T

Sent from my internet connection & PC
[Legend General] iodine:
If this doesn't come next week, i'm installing MoDaCo's image.

HTC should have released an interim fix for the SMS bug. Why would I be required to use 3rd party software for basic phone functionality?

-- io
[Legend General] tigerbauch:
Why would you be required to use ANY other software? Bet you have some installed, right? ;-)

If you don't like 3rd party apps you may bought the wrong device. Try a Nokia 3210
[Legend General] oysteivi:
Looking forward to the android 2.3 based cyanogenmod 7.0 here ;)

(though unlike the jit in 2.2, I haven't read anything particularly compelling about 2.3 :()
[Legend General] iodine:
------

Because it's an ADVERTISED feature. If there is an ADVERTISED feature and it doesn't work properly then that product should be subject to a lemon law.

Example: Given your analogy, if you were to purchase a battery with only 25% capacity you wouldn't return it? or ask for a replacement? Why should my cell phone be any different?

In addition, why should I have to waste app memory by installing "yet another" SMS app, or peep/twitter app? It should work properly to begin with "AS ADVERTISED". App Memory on the phone is limited. I have to already uninstall apps I want, but have to keep Handcent on, or else SMS is unusable.

From a customer support perspective, HTC has really let the ball drop.

If HTC was a car manufacturer, they would be at the bottom for reliability.

I guess you're just really use to ****ty products. You poor soul.

-- i0
[Legend General] tigerbauch:
Now I got it; your legend is working correct for just 25%. I love good working devices, the price is secondary for me. That's why I bought a legend, not a desire.i think you are the poor guy. You want more, even if the product is almost perfect. Show me a better working device!
[Legend General] The_Hamster:
Coming soon!!

Contacted HTC Denmark and got this answer.

Hej Kristoffer Andersen,

Tak for din henvendelse til HTC vedrørende 2,2 til Legend.

HTC Legend burde modtage 2,2 / FroYo opdateringen over the air i slutningen af denne måned. Jeg kan på nuværende tidspunkt ikke love noget, men det er den tidshorisont vi forventer.

Translation:

Hi Kristoffer Andersen.

Thanks for contacting HTC concerning 2,2 for Legend.

HTC Legend should receive the 2,2 / FroYo update over the air at the end of this month. At this point, I cannot promise anything, but that is the time horizon we are expecting.
[Legend General] madcat340:
I think hes just annoyed because 3rd party devices shouldn't have to replace the core services they should work as they should. If it doesn't you should be allowed a refund... though its htc's fault anyway they shouldn't have let the annoying bug through without providing a fix (though if they did people would just complain saying its not 2.2)

I mean i don't mind waiting I call it the Froyo lottery every Monday :D
[Legend General] taleboblen:
Following weeks, end of this month. Soon, dont know. Unbranded, branded.... Yes, no...... X(
[Legend General] jennan88:
I'm going away for a week to a beach town without cell reception. When I get back, I fully expect a ten page 'where's gingerbread!?!?!?!' thread

Fingers crossed I'll come back to find froyo
[Legend General] lessirey:
I usually dislike getting into arguments over petty things. I was among those who patiently waited for froyo without making much noise, till they released it for vodafone!

People who complain about htc not properly releasing their froyo update cannot be compared to those who MIGHT complain about gingerbread. For one, htc said they will update legend to froyo, directly and indirectly. But they never said anything about updating legend to gingerbread.

And then they lied about unbranded getting it first.There are many bugs in the current eclair version, including the sms bug and a bluetooth bug which makes it a pain in the a%% to connect and maintain a connection with a car bluetooth kit.

They should have fixed all these months ago, but they never did, and promised to some customers that it'll be fixed in froyo.. Its been many months now and those who paid such a price, does have the right to get really angry and complain about it.

I gave up *****ing and flashed my legend with modaco stock froyo ROM. But to mock those who rightly complain about htc's poor after sales support is kind of misplaced.

Anyways, everyone need to take a chill pill here. I suggest directing your anger at htc's facebook page. They did try to answer sometimes, though ended up making themselves look stupid.
[Legend General] ananthm2k5:
What's wrong with you ? We are asking where froyo is because Vodafone phones already got it and unbranded phones have not.

No one Is stupid enough to ask for gingerbread unless HTC promises to give the legend gingerbread or if it is released for Vodafone and not for the others.

Stop trying to act smart. It's annoying.
[Legend General] Brendaddio:
Chillax. I'm pretty sure jennan8 was kidding.
[Legend General] tigerbauch:
My Sennheiser bluetooth car kit is working fine with my legend.I have just one little thing that is wrong: the SMS bug. But it's not really a problem,I use handcent instead (before that bug). Your pissed off because vf customers already got it.
[Legend General] Timothye:
I got almost the same exact reply from HTC e-mail support .

Let's hope that it comes down the line now !!!

/T
[Legend General] netdias:
That is nice... I asked to HTC 4 days ago, and they told me they did not now when the update was going to be released. But if you ask to the specific country HTC service. They will tell you it's almost there....

About tigerbauch, its just white noise... :rolleyes:
[Legend General] JeryP:
Czech no froyo...
[Legend General] N3o21:
No FroYo yet, on unbranded HTC Legend.

Little disappointed, HTC said that trehe will be update on 20th November. I had been looking forward to get FroYo, but nothing comes :-(

BTW, was the "Black Legend" released? It may came with FroYo on market.Maybe there is some connection between these two things.
[Legend General] cphkelvin:
Black was released on stock
[Legend General] JonasDroid:
I believe he meant stock 2.1. It's been confirmed by multiple phantom legend owners that it runs 2.1 and not froyo (2.2)
[XPERIA X10 Themes and Apps] gupta.anurag08:
Below thread has been locked:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=767849

I wanna continue with this:

Home replacement launcher:

NET FRONT LIFE SCREEN
[XPERIA X10 Themes and Apps] javagreen:
Not again.
[XPERIA X10 Themes and Apps] atanu89:
Are you that thick?
[XPERIA X10 Themes and Apps] xperiax10.awesome:
some good games for 2.1:

Fifa 10

Real Football

Gangster

Sandstorm

apps:

z4root

WiFi manager

RD3

Miren Browser
[XPERIA X10 Themes and Apps] kylec:
I do see the point in trying to maintain an up to date thread with the latest useful apps.... But its just hilarious that its always you that seems to keep bringing it back every time haha
[XPERIA X10 Themes and Apps] Wolfbreak:
How do you play Fifa or Real Football its unplayable with Single Touch
[XPERIA X10 Themes and Apps] PollPixx:
The main reason that thread was being closed is because you linked to warez sites to get those applications. So if you decide to start a topic again, don't mention those illegal sites...otherwise it will be closed again I assume...
[XPERIA X10 Themes and Apps] xperiax10.awesome:
NET FRONT LIFE SCREEN is cool but not much options available.will w8 for some updates.
[XPERIA X10 Themes and Apps] gupta.anurag08:
No link or sitename nw..

Clockr

Scooter Hero
[XPERIA X10 Themes and Apps] mrtim123:
Noo! That launcher is horrid!
[XPERIA X10 Themes and Apps] xperiax10.awesome:
Is there any way to change the look/feel of current lock pattern (xperia X10 2.1)
[XPERIA X10 Themes and Apps] gupta.anurag08:
Circle Battery Widget..
[XPERIA X10 Themes and Apps] phodigy:
post count ftw
[XPERIA X10 Themes and Apps] SXUsr:
Install a theme or an app or edit it yourself.
[XPERIA X10 Themes and Apps] xperiax10.awesome:
Google Earth working on X10 now :)

Anyone knows whats FlipFont & how to use it?
[XPERIA X10 Themes and Apps] xperiax10.awesome:
Anyone used FlipFont!!?? :confused:

On the topic:

Just tried Minigore, its real fun :)
[XPERIA X10 Themes and Apps] crecsky:
How can you play Minigore when we don't have multi-touch?
[XPERIA X10 Themes and Apps] bazzatron:
I want app that make beautiful feel good and work great, thanks.
[XPERIA X10 Themes and Apps] PollPixx:
Is that a question and if so: Can you be even more unspecific?:D
[XPERIA X10 Themes and Apps] Mobzter:
haha.. couldn't have said it better myself lol
[XPERIA X10 Themes and Apps] PollPixx:
Unbelievable, but in that catagory I have some questions too.....

How many bananas make 10?

Who was King Henry VIII and why?

If god can do anything, can he make a stone which is so heavy he can't lift it?

:D:D

On topic:

Just start using Miren Browser, it is really good. You can find it in the Android Apps and Games thread, it is free and translated in 8 languages already. Absolutely worth a try, no matter how satisfied you are with Opera/Dolphin etc...
[XPERIA X10 Themes and Apps] :
Scrollable Contact Widget (from Sundermann)

its better than People Widget..u can chng the size to medium n chng the background to transparent..
[XPERIA X10 Themes and Apps] phodigy:
Nice english.
[XPERIA X10 Themes and Apps] xperiax10.awesome:
Is there app like "Friend Stream" for our x10 ??!!

Scrollable Contact Widget & Miren Browser are really good.............