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[Windows Phone 7 General] embmw:
adobe flash player

nobody( if I missed post, sorry) talk about adobe flash player for WP7. is annoying for me to receive every time that message to update my internet explorer and install flash player when I read emails in yahoo and when I try to see contents who use flash.

so when they will include this in wp7?

this OS(WP7) was so incomplete. it's a surprise for me that microsoft launched a new OS that have much less facilities that the older one(windows 6.5).

P.S.: probably they were very busy to lock the OS and restrict the acces of users to the os facilities and capabilities.
[Windows Phone 7 General] digger1985:
iPhone lacks flash and it noone said it was incomplete. In fact lack or flash is feature. Perhaps you should have gone with Android then?
[Windows Phone 7 General] manigma:
I would be happy to get these improvements in next update:

1. There is no way to go to the beginning or end of a video with a single click. We have to press rewind/forward for a long time until the video reaches its start/end. We can only pause a video, not stop it.

2. Alphanumeric keyboard should be given as an option instead of using full qwerty keyboard.

3. Photo gallery shows blurry photos in landscape mode. If we zoom the photo a bit the photo becomes clear. But normally its blurred.

4. There should be an option to change the default Calendar alarm tone.

Mani

(HTC HD7)
[Windows Phone 7 General] dkp1977:
This will come with Mango. The beta already has that feature. You can jump anywhere by simply sliding or tapping the timeline.

Hmm? They're not blurry at all.
[Windows Phone 7 General] raimeiken:
omg I've been wanting this sooo bad. Does this apply to music as well? because I listen to a lot of DJ mixes that are over an hour long, and fastforwarding to the part I like takes forever right now
[Windows Phone 7 General] dkp1977:
No, this only applies to videos. At least in the beta.
[Windows Phone 7 General] prim3geek:
i second this :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] hardik_hrc:
I am using Windows mango beta in my HTC HD7.

Most of the things are just awesome still I am dying to see some new changes in it.

1) skype. even if no video or voice at least simple text chat should be accessed as soon as possible.

( please dont suggest me to use IM plus coz i believe in free apps usually as i experiment a lot with cell phone)

2)flash support. I need to see videos from either browser or through apps.

youtube app doesnt play HD mostly.

3)my gps works only 10% times i try it.

i tried most of the paid applications too but still the same issue.

i am on an edge network
[Windows Phone 7 General] dkp1977:
1) This will come. It's just a matter of time when Skype will be fully integrated in Windows Live. But I doubt that a deep integration like the WLM chat and Facebook chat will hit our devices before Apollo. But there'll be a Skype allication according to announces that have been made on Mix11.

2) I don't think you'll ever happen to see flash on a WP7 powered device. And I honestly don't believe it's a huge matter as more and more websites have already begun turning away from flash and using the capabilities that HTML5 offers.

3) GPS works just fine. oO Maybe you need an app that comes with offline maps. You could use Turn by Turn Navigation though. It offers to download the maps you need for your navigation while on WiFi so you won't need no data connection on your ride.
[Windows Phone 7 General] steve10:
It sounds like you are having trouble getting a fix. Are you using your GPS outdoors? You should be able to get an A-GPS fix almost every time, so that should help. Have you tried hard resetting the phone? And were you able to get a GPS fix before you upgraded to Mango beta?
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
This is true, but it is still going to be years (I'm guessing at least three years, maybe as long as five) before flash is gone completely. And no, I'm not talking about video embedding. I'm talking about web site navigation. There are still many sites I use on a regular basis where some portions just aren't available to me on my phone because of flash.

Personally, I think it was stupid of Microsoft to dismiss it so casually.

If he is having GPS issues, offline maps aren't going to help. That would only affect his data usage. Even an offline map system still needs to use the GPS receiver to locate and track your position.

With that said, it sounds more like a phone issue to me. My GPS (still under NoDo) works perfectly every time, unless I try it inside a building with a fairly dense structure.
[Windows Phone 7 General] AceofSpades25:
Read in context of the conversation, this comment

could be read to imply that the whole reason apple succeeded and WinMo failed was becasue of expandable storage. He may not have meant this, but I chose to take that as his meaning.

Whether or not he meant this, the point I made still stands. Apple's original success had nothing to do expandable storage because back then this issue was eclipsed by the iPhone's many other great features. This is no longer the case, Apple's current slide against Android is in part due to this.

By any measure? Certainly not by anybody's measure that I know of. I have plenty of non-technical friends. Like most smartphone users, they have been using digital cameras/camcorders/mobiles for years already. As a result they all know what to assume when they see MicroSD written on a box. MicroSD = expandable storage. This is not rocket science, it is common knowledge in the 21st century.

You say most people aren't bothered... have you looked at the survey at the bottom of this post? http://blog.laptopmag.com/windows-phone-7-traps-your-microsd-card-forever#axzz161QsEKje It looks to me like 80 / 100 users clearly are.

And before you argue that these people do not reflect the opinions of the average smartphone user, these people reflect your average internet user. I am sure that we can both agree that most smartphone users are savy enough to use the internet from time to time.
[Windows Phone 7 General] naplesbill:
So, you chose to take it out of context then. It is clearly a case of saying that Apple was successful in spite of this limitation, not because of it.

Also, outside of your circle of friends bubble is the rest of the world. I am not sure about the type of work you do, but my job exposes me to people of various backgrounds and education levels. MOST of them have no clue when it comes to anything related to storage, be it removable, mass, etc.

Finally, using a poll at the end of a post from an online article, is hardly indicative of anything but a techie point of view. Who do you think is reading that article anyway?
[Windows Phone 7 General] AceofSpades25:
You mean to tell me that most of the people you work with have never owned a digital camera?

Even if this was true, most people that choose to buy a £500 smartphone have owned a digital camera before. It is more than reasonable to assume that they know what MicroSD means.
[Windows Phone 7 General] thenext1:
IIRC, iOS 4 does not have multitasking for 3rd party apps, meaning an app cannot run background code. That's the only inaccuracy I can see in the list.

WP7 is as multitasking as my kitchen blender, for now. Anything that's not available right out of the box and without messing with the phone, doesn't count.

As for integration in Android, the OS is so well done that a well done app integrates perfectly.

Actually, no app, even preinstalled or google apps, get any advantage over 3rd party ones. You can easily remove preinstalled and google apps with a single console command (provided you gain root access to your phone).

You can easily install a homescreen replacement from the Market, in a legit manner without hacking anything, and Android will ask you whether to use it or the default one next time you go to the home screen. And all widgets will work exactly the same.

Do that in WP7 or iOS.

Don't get me wrong, I'd like to buy a WP7 phone, I like the styling... but when I see these idiotic holes in functionality I refrain instantly...
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
that closed system with only 1 device to develop for is the reason apple was able to build its marketplace. Developers did not have to worry about making multiple versions of their application for the marketplace. Have you read the comments from Rovio lately???? They have to make a "lite" version of Angry Birds because android fragmentation means their very popular game doesn't work across all android phones the same.

How many android phones are still waiting for a 2.2 update when 2.3 is about to drop on the nexus one???

Apple does some things well, so does android, but neither is perfect. WP7 is trying to find a balance between the 2.

As a Microsoft developer I would think that you would welcome having only to develop 1 application for mobile instead of 2 or more versions to work with legacy devices. Not to mention, most of the developers are raving about the software abilities of this phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
if this were the case then how come I've answered questions on this forum like "how to I get more memory on my phone?"

"How do I move files to my card, my phone says its out of memory?"

Your avg smartphone users these days are not necessarily tech savvy considering t-mobile tends to have sales on them every other week for less than 100 bucks. Pretty sure they are running a huge sale on black friday. This means by sunday, we'll have a lot of people that found this site through google asking some very interesting questions.

So exactly what was microsoft supposed to do?

Release a WinMo 6.6 with no real UI improvements on a platform that hasn't performed that well to date? Would that help them gain back any of the bleeding marketshare from android or apple?

Smartphone users are growing at a very fast rate. Most of them probably don't even know how to move a file on their computer, much less their phone. I should know, I am married to one of those people. She just hands me her hd2 and tells me what she wants on it. Even had to create a shortcut to her movies folder so she could find them... :eek:
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
Lots of people that own digital cameras couldn't tell you what a MicroSD card is (my Mom and Dad). They might be able to get the "memory card" out of their camera so they can take it to Wal Mart and get pictures printed but when you start getting into a specific type, they'd be lost. Shoot, I had to explain the difference between MicroUSB and MiniUSB to the chick that worked at the AT&T store the other day. If I didn't know better, I would've walked out of that store with a MiniUSB cable that wouldn't have worked with my Focus.

Microsoft is targeting non-techies with WP7. Plenty of WP7 buyers will not know what a MicroSD card is. Noone here spends $500 on a smartphone. You can get a Focus for free (on contract) right now from Wal-Mart. At that price point a phone that integrates nicely with Facebook could sell like hotcakes with the right sales person.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
exactly, I spent 150 bucks total on 3 hd2s a few months ago. Even gave 1 to my 9 year old.

Carriers are practically giving away smartphones in an attempt to get everyone locked into 2 year contracts with 30/mo data plans that most people will not take advantage of.
[Windows Phone 7 General] AceofSpades25:
Yeah... I don't think developers really care all that muh about fragmentation. Look at Android with over 100'000 apps, its fast on the heels of iOS. I do agree though that I do love developing for WP7. XAML is a beautiful language and a real pleasure to use, but this only makes me more upset that they have shackled the OS so badly.
[Windows Phone 7 General] AceofSpades25:
They were right to start again with silverlight and XNA

Some examples of what else they should have done:

Insist that makers provide it with a minimum of 4GB NAND to hold the OS, applications and any other files they don't want users to touch.

- Allow makers the option of including a MicroSD slot for general file storage:

PDF's, Game save files, Pictures, Movies, MP3's

- Continue to sandbox 3rd party apps if they insist this is better for security, but still allow all apps to access a shared space e.g. The MicroSD card.

- Keep the UI as simple as it is, but don't intentionally disallow basic functionality that users have come to expect from smartphones.

There is no going back now that hardware has been released for the platform, but going forward, they could still open up a partition for users to store general files on. I have been petitioning Microsoft to do this for weeks now, unfortunately they don't like to admit they got things wrong.

p.s. whether or not the phone is free up front, you will still be paying the full £500 or more with your contract. In the UK sim only contracts with a data plan are £15/month. For the HD7 on 3, it is £40/month for 24 months. That's a difference of £25. Over a 24 month contract you're paying £600 for the phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
but the carriers don't care how they get their money, either up front or over the life of your contract.

I agree microsoft could have made wp7 more open, but I'm thinking this might have been a concession to alot of developers who said it was too easy to pirate software on winmo and android. Skyfire and netflix specifically have raised questions about it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] janemanno1:
I am a developer myself so I can feel the pain of developers but that being said, it is just impossible to make something secure these days.

I have seen many programs that when you open them in decompilers and stuff, you can see that the developers have gone to great lengths to secure things but at the end, it can be hacked.

Simply make the apps cheap enough and make it an incentive for users to not pirate the thing.
[Windows Phone 7 General] CSMR:
Yes this would be ideal. SD cards are actually confusing if they are not merged with internal storage in some way, because you end up with files you want to categorize together (e.g. videos) in two separate folders.

However not having an area for general storage is inexcusable.

Keep going! You are right and they are wrong!
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
That's right, the third party apps for Android (not sure for iOS) add functionality to copy and paste within the documents :rolleyes:

http://www.dataviz.com/products/documentstogo/android/feature_matrix.html
[Windows Phone 7 General] agp64:
Some one in Microsoft needs a boot in the pants for not having copy and paste from the get go. Who was it please tell us Microsoft so we can razz them.:D
[Windows Phone 7 General] kwill:
So, if this documentation exist. What are (tools) the carries provided to access the registry (which we've seen done) and the actual windows directory? Can't we rip those off from somewhere:D JK!
[Windows Phone 7 General] jasongw:
I'll add that they need to update the Zune software to:

1. Backup all the apps off the phone, even the ones you've downloaded ON the phone.

2. Backup all data on the phone to the PC, including configuration (ideally such that one or the other can be restored independently from the other.)

3. Ability to restore the phone via the Zune software to its last backup.

Those are my biggies :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] eternalemb:
+1. Coming from a BlackBerry, missing this feature is a huge inconvenience.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
I agree with all this. I am going to make a one note list of all installed apps to keep on skydrive since I have added a few apps straight from the phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] killster:
Notify via system notifications on exchange folders!??

Increase total unread email on tile to include emails in sub folders.

Please!
[Windows Phone 7 General] dkp1977:
Yeah, I know that flash is used for more than just embedded videos. ;) But it's up to those who are responsible for said websites to move on. With HTML5, JavaScript (especially libraries like jQuery) or even asp.NET there's no need for Flash anymore. But you're still right, it'll take at least 2 or even 3 years until everyone has moved from Flash to newer (and better) technologies.

I just mentioned the offline map features because he stated that he's using Edge.
[Windows Phone 7 General] hardik_hrc:
maybe my phone is having problem with GPS then.

i thought my data connection might be troubling my GPS location finding.

Phone is still in warranty so will get it checked.

i have the mango installed so will need to roll back to nodo to get warranty
[Windows Phone 7 General] hardik_hrc:
i will still love having flash support even from third party too.

i already tried navigation map but still the same problem without getting location its no point of downloading maps.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dkp1977:
Well, then it's most certainly a hardware failure.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RoboDad:
I totally agree, the future is in HTML5 + Javascript, but with HTML5 still being somewhat in its infancy, and all non-mobile browsers still supporting flash, there isn't any real incentive for web developers to move on right now. In a couple of years, when smartphones have reached a higher level of market saturation (I read somewhere that we're supposed to hit 50% of all phones in use by the end of this year, or close to it), then they will probably be more motivated. I am just frustrated that there is no help for my mobile browsing experience today.

And I knew you weren't just referring to video embedding, but so many other posters seem to think flash and embedded video are one and the same that I felt compelled to make the distinction :).
[Windows Phone 7 General] hardik_hrc:
exactly.

the point is can we get flash support in the WP7 even with any browser like opera or something?

or else i might think of dual booting with android my HD7 so i can do enjoy both the features.

would dual booting solve these current issues?
[Windows Phone 7 General] truevoxdei:
SIM ToolKit

Hello,

Please, add support STK service (SIM ToolKit) at OS Windows Phone. This (STK) very important function in phone (smartphone). Many and many users , which uses additional functions from SIM-menu. STK has been deployed by many mobile operators around the world for many applications, often where a menu-based approach is required, such as Mobile Banking and content browsing. Other mobile platform already have access for SIM-menu functionally. Windows Phone MUST HAVE support STK for be going on well. Please, please add support STK.

Regards,
[Windows Phone 7 General] 007ru:
One of the biggest disappointments in the WP7 (for me) is a monotonous interface. It is not possible to customize our phone, without using standard shell (black/white background, color of tiles) :(
[Windows Phone 7 General] Avandor:
Some minimum level of customization is possible, but that is what I love about the WP7 design, its simple, fast and dead gorgeous.
[Windows Phone 7 General] downloaderintruder:
^ totally agree with this guy. Metro UI interface is sleek, smooth, built with physics, and 3D, without affecting phone performance ;)

After the update of Mango (7.1) there will be Tango (7.5) then Apollo (8).

Tango will most likely not include any new big features, but it will be most likely a patch or fix for minor bugs in Mango.
[Windows Phone 7 General] slimshady322:
That would not make much sense.

Why go from 7.0 (current/NoDo version) to 7.1 for an update that brings quite a lot of features and then go from 7.1 to 7.5 for an update that brings not many new features?

Also it seems pretty obvious that Mango will be 7.5 although they could just be marketing it as 7.5 while leaving the version number at 7.1, like the did with Windows 7 (NT 6.1).
[Windows Phone 7 General] steve10:
Or Mango will take us to 7.5, with Tango going to 7.6. While I know Microsoft has a habit of releasing "version branded" products whose internal versions don't match, I have a feeling Windows Phone 8 will be 8.0.
[Windows Phone 7 General] downloaderintruder:
Ok, I researched a bit more and Mango is 7.5, but I assume Tango will either be 7.6 or 7.5.7xxx. But because NoDo wasn't much of an upgrade, this only changed the build number since it didn't go through a lot of revisions, if NoDo had a lot of features, then it would've changed from 7.0 to 7.1
[Windows Phone 7 General] ran_k:
I don't know if it has been mentioned here but is there going to be Tethering

ability in Mango update?
[Windows Phone 7 General] PayAndDie:
Seems like it will :)

http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/windows-phone-mango-will-support-connections-to-hidden-ssid-wifi
[Windows Phone 7 General] dkp1977:
That article is referring to WiFi networks with hidden SSID. That doesn't have anything to do with tethering. ;)

As far as I know there will be no native tethering coming with Mango. But those 1500 new APIs make me hope that there'll be third party apps making it possible in a closer future.
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[Windows Phone 7 General] xcvista:
Tethering was long existed in HTC, LG and Dell devices. LG needs its driver and a key to enter its factory mode, Dell one needs modified HTC drivers (weird ain't it? however HTC phones' drivers does work.) and simply entering its factory mode. HTC devices needs to be jailbroken, deployed a special app, and its drivers.
[Windows Phone 7 General] kuma17:
mango will be 7.1

tango will be 7.2 or 7.5
[Windows Phone 7 General] PT_Ruca:
Being that Mango 7712 appears as Windows Phone 7.5, your afirmation is based on....
[Windows Phone 7 General] Radek Hulán:
You should distinguish between marketing and internal version. E.g. Windows 7 (SP1) is v6.1.7601. Mango should be marketed as 7.5, there are so many updates, it is like iOS(1) -> iOS4.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sandronh:
Cool

I Waiting Official Updates xD
[Windows Phone 7 General] juanacevedo:
Hope microsoft takes a look at the app phone 8 and takes features from there.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dotAlexX:
Mango? M=M for multitasking next update, Tanogo=T for tethering?
[Windows Phone 7 General] embmw:
I think microsoft and all phone fabricants mock us. htc didn't say anything on the official site about all these missing features. and now all of us, who bought a wp7, wait for them to throw some candys( updates with features). I have an htc hd7 from february, and there are 6 month with a phone almost useless. is that corect to wait over an year to have a full functional phone?

I paid all the money when they sold to me. and is not corect what they do

why microsoft didn't developed this OS completely before to lunch IT?

I think I know.

THEY LOST THE TIME TO LOCK THE DAMN SISTEM .

i BECOME VERY ANGRY WHEN i REMEBER i HAVE 16 Gb( ARROUND 14Gb) internal memory completly unusefull.

I tried to convert a 2 hour mouvie whit zune. take it more then 5 hours. are they idiots or what?( my laptop is an I5 quadcore procesor, 4Gb RAM, 500Gb HDD and 1Gb dedicated video).

so... where are the benefits of a new OS? I just have an expensive ping pong paddle( even for ping pong is not good cause is to small for that).

Guys, think about, you loose more time on your computers to find out about new features and news from microsoft, then using your wp 7 phones.

these is my opinion. and please don't tell me to buy an android . since I had my first computer, I used only microsoft OS. I appreciated them and their work. but with this phone OS they made a HUGE MISTAKE CAUSE THEY GAVE US A CAR WITHOUT ENGINE AND WITH DOORS LOCKED. AND THEY KEPT THE KEYS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] keyboardP:
Not sure if you're trolling, but did you not do any research before buying the phone? Most companies don't advertise what's missing, they advertise what's present - Marketing 101. Although the current public version (NoDo) is missing quite a few features, it's far from useless. It does most things you need from a phone. Why did they launch it without Mango? Well, they need to get people and developers on board, so when Mango comes out, at least there's some established user base and apps in the market (which, btw, is the fastest growing app store).