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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cajunflavoredbob:
Well, for starters, after this long, shouldn't the tool be free anyway? It's not like people are rushing into stores trying to get a brand new Touch Pro2 anymore. I think AT&T has already stopped selling them. The T-Mobile rep I spoke with this week said they were running through their current stock and then discontinuing them. As I said before, I have nothing against you guys marketing your own product. Most of us are simply upset with the lack of support that we receive on it. I can't say that I'm blaming you or anyone else. I know life gets in the way, and people forget things. It would be nice if there was a simple offline, self-contained HSPL tool that we could use without problems.

I have personally gotten several PMs about the HSPL tool from users asking how to go about getting a response to a ticket, or how to get around the blocks you guys have in place. The only response we have for these users is "pay the money." I had the exact same thing happen to me a couple of months ago when I got a warranty replacement. I never did receive a response to my ticket. I ended up paying the 4GBP, even though I donated $10 back in May just as a thank you for the creation of the tool.

I don't want you to think we don't respect your work; we do. We just feel it's time to do away with the Internet only version and have a tool that runs locally. If you look at the HSPL thread, you'll see that nearly all of the recent problems are directly because of this system. I would gladly donate an additional $10 just for you guys to make this tool free to the public just like nearly all other HSPL tools on XDA are. The bounty is open to you guys as well. There are three conditions upon which someone can collect the bounty: someone makes a new HSPL tool, someone makes the current HSPL tool work locally, or you guys (cmonex/olipro) make the current HSPL tool free for everyone.

As far as having someone else monitor tickets, I would say that I would do it, but others have asked the same thing on the actual Hard SPL thread and been ignored about it. It really is about time that this was just offered for free now. Our offer to allow you guys to collect the bounty stands, otherwise it goes to whomever creates a new tool first.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmonex:
as I see it, the majority of people don't have an issue, you can see the number of downloads, obviously only the ones who have an issue will post. some of them are not even to do with the licensing.

as for your ticket - did you put it in the right department? what was the # of it? I find it unlikely that you NEVER got a reply unless you stated in the ticket that your issue was resolved (in that case we do close it without a reply). but, as I offered it before, if you felt like you were FORCED into paying, and you RESENT that, AND you did wait more than a couple of days, then I can offer a refund to you. let me know via email to contactchan@freemail.hu.

btw, please allow me to say this, in this thread one thing does not make sense to me - why pay for a bounty if you want a free thing? :)

as for you or someone else helping - I will have to go back and discuss this with olipro.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmonex:
what? 5 months? then it must be in the wrong dept (or you posted in the ticket that your issue was resolved). what is the ticket # so I can search for it?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmonex:
it is free for first use immediately, for second use (replacement phone) we do still give it free for a fair use (if for personal usage, i.e. not a phone reseller, etc.), via a ticket system (or email). the problem is when we are offline for a longer time. though, judging from what tickets I got in the past, some people have seemed to find even 1-2 days of waiting too long...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmonex:
you say you did donate, so I assume you posted to the ticket that you've resolved your issue? in that case we just close the ticket. do let me know if you are unhappy with this (see offer above!!).
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cajunflavoredbob:
I think you might be misunderstanding our point. My ticket number isn't the problem. I'm not worried about my donations at all. I'm giving voice to the users who are having problems. I commend your work and appreciate it. Our point is that we want to see a "hassle-free" version of this tool. I'm not too keen on you guys storing my information in the first place, but I deal with it because of the possibilities that it opens up.

The total amount of users who have downloaded the tool isn't what I'm talking about. I am talking about the number of problems listed on the thread itself. They all mostly have to do with the licensing not giving them an opportunity to unlock even one time without paying. They then open a ticket and complain on the thread about how no one responds. It's too late to go back and try to support them all now.

Resolving tickets at this point doesn't resolve the issue. What is the purpose of continuing to put a price on the tool? This device is working its way out the door now. While we still are proud owners of our Rhodiums, we have to face that our device is not on the cutting edge of technology anymore. (Some would argue that it never really was...)

The purpose of the bounty is not to "pay" for a new tool, but to encourage someone else to develop a new one that will benefit the community. You will notice that the people who have pledged to donate are users who already have their devices unlocked with HSPL. To us, it is more about doing something to help others so they don't have the same problems.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] TheByteSmasher:
I've extracted the spl from the stock rom before for tp2... would it help posting? there are other files as well like the OS, RCUST, SOME unknown type file ... etc. PM Me if I can help 'cause m'phone is my only net connexn!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cajunflavoredbob:
You are more than welcome to help. Could you try to extract the Hard SPL from the device? That would be a start. The stock SPL's are listed in the second and third post for GSM and CDMA respectively.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmonex:
I have one more question then...how would the newer users have problems if we get someone to help respond to the tickets so everyone can have their reply within 1-2 days even when we happen to be offline? NOTE: it is not the "ticket workload" itself that would need help as it is not big anymore.

I forgot to answer about the purpose - it is so the phone resellers pay instead of ripping us off for free. yes, they're still interested in the device.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmonex:
let me also add, it's not a terribly big job to respond to the tickets, as indeed there are fewer new users / fewer users get theirs replaced, and only a small percentage needs to ask us for help.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cajunflavoredbob:
Basically, we're not happy with the system anymore. I mean you no offense at all, but we didn't see either of you in the thread for months until Fenny came around and made the Whitelister tool. After that week, we stopped seeing replies again until now that we've started this thread. I'm not saying anything about you or olipro. I know that life gets in the way, but at this point, the ticket system either needs to be done away with, or we are just going to have to look for another option.

I know it's hard to convey emotion and connotation via text, but I truly don't mean either of you any disrespect. I do appreciate the time and effort that you guys put into the tool. It's just time for a change is all. The system that's in place is not working from my observation. If you two decide to release a version of the tool that runs locally, then the bounty is yours. I'm sure that many more would donate to a "hassle-free" version. The current bounty is still up for grabs.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmonex:
well, let's first see if we can get this help idea sorted. isn't 1 day (up to 2 days) of waiting for the reply good enough?

let me know.

PS: we did keep responding to the tickets before this thread too... though it wasn't always within 24 hours. this is what could be fixed, I agree.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cajunflavoredbob:
It is certainly a positive start. I would say that anything more than 48 hours is unreasonable to wait for assistance on a paid product. A 24 hour turn around would be ideal, though. You know how the new guys get impatient. :)

I've offered to help out with the tickets, as have a couple of users in the Hard SPL thread. I guess it would just be a matter of who you would be able to trust with it. Picking someone who actually frequents the Hard SPL thread and uses the Rhodium forum regularly would also be of great benefit to you guys.

I didn't say you weren't responding to everyone, but we did see a fair number of users complaining about not being answered at all. Whether it was their fault for not listing the ticket properly, or yours for not responding, I don't know. That's why I think it would be best to have someone monitor the threads as well as the tickets.

I'm glad we're getting somewhere, though. Thank you for taking an interest in this.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmonex:
yeah, I'm glad to see we agree this solution (making the turnaround a reliable 24-48 hours) sounds reasonable.

I don't know you very well (truly no offense meant here!), but I do already have someone in mind.

PS: I just noticed you mention "paid product". aren't we talking about the fair use request for personal users? i.e. free second license for replacement device etc.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cajunflavoredbob:
Oh, I wasn't asking for it! :) I couldn't handle any more responsibilities in my life right now. I'm glad for the progress, though.

We are talking about the fair use, but the majority of those with problems have had to pay for it anyway for one reason or another. I had seven PMs for users who couldn't get it working. After trouble shooting all the usual things, I was finally forced to tell them to pay for it. I think donations are a good thing if they are actually donations. Having a set price makes it a paid product by definition, though.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmonex:
just a small correction here. because you had seven PM's does not mean the majority had to pay for it. quite the opposite, it's not the majority as far as I can tell from the thanks we get in the ticket system.

but yes, we are in the process of getting this 24-48 hour deadline sorted.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cajunflavoredbob:
I didn't mean the majority of all users of the tool. I can only report on the ones I see. I meant the majority of the ones reporting problems in the thread and via PM. razorloves and F2504x4 are pretty active in there as well. They might have gotten a few PM's as well. I don't know if they have or not, so I can't say. I only mean that most of the users who post about it end up having to pay. I'm sure the majority of all users get along just fine, but there are a fair amount of users that have these problems.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] F2504x4:
I will echo what Cajon has already stated,and say thank you for dropping in and discussing the problems ...Lets hope that all this can be put to rest, for good this time and just move forward in helping others to be able to explore the potential of the these phones..
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] JVH3:
Ticket system improvement requests

Web visibility to the tickets would help.

It would make it clear when a user is just stirring up trouble.

And, it would be clear when information is not entered correctly, so other users could point out what needs to be done to properly fill out a ticket.

It would also be clear how long a ticket has remained open. Currently a user could post that they have had a ticket open for anytime with no proof.

Automated notification when a ticket is cancelled

People would immediately know that the ticket was not filled out properly. With web visibility to the tickets, this would not be as needed.

Personally, I think the bounty can be yours if web visibility to the tickets is implemented and it is clear that there are not tickets that have been left open for months.

I suspect tickets from alot of users that complained were automatically cancelled because they were not filled out fully or properly.

To me, a 2 day turnaround on a ticket would be very acceptable, since everyone should test the device with the stock ROM before putting HardSPL on it. Even a 1 week ticket turn around would be acceptable in my book. HardSPL voids the warrenty. The phone should be tested first.

On a technical perspective, I am very interested in learning the development process of HardSPL. I would like to learn how to extract SPL from a device. I also would like to learn what tools are used to modify the SPL. And learn more about SPL / HardSPL programming in general. Then of course, I would want to learn what is needed to get an SPL that I modified onto my phone.

In August of 2009, I decided to learn how to make some Lua programming tweeks and decompiled, modified, compiled, and applied. Also in the summer of 2009, I wrote the Weather City Editor that is used with Sense 2.1 and Sense 2.5. I have been professionally programming for 13.5 years. Primarily C#, but also in VB6 and C++ while writing sql and creating and modifying tables, stored procs, functions, and views for both Oracle and SQL Server databases in an n-tier secure web application. Of course, in college Assembly programming was also a required course, but I haven't done anything with that since then. Point of all that is that I don't think SPL programming is beyond my grasp. Just need to make time to learn it.

If you are willing to share any of that information or have some good links, I would really appreciate it.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] FL5:
I can tell you for sure that I never got a free Hard SPL out of it. I paid both for my device and my wife's. I assumed that usage of the word "donation" in the software was just a dry little joke and that everyone was paying. I figured that everyone on XDA was just turning a blind eye to this because it was the only game in town. This was the conclusion that was likely reached by several others, and why I would believe that the amount of complaints received may not correctly or even reliably support the number of users who never got this software to work as intended.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] JVH3:
I know that I did not need to donate when I put HardSPL on my Tilt2 in August 2010.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cajunflavoredbob:
I sent a PM to orb3000 with a request for attention on the front page.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmonex:
:eek: honestly, I never thought that anyone could get this impression you described above which is of course not the reality. but then, I know that many users fail to read even the first two posts in the Hard-SPL threads, where I tried to explain everything. or if you did read that, then perhaps you misunderstood part of it. I don't know if you ever submitted a ticket?

anyway, as I said, we will be ensuring the tickets will all be replied to within the 48 hour deadline. so if you ever get another device, you can just ask us over there for a free license.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmonex:
thanks for your suggestions. :) really good ones too!

as for cancelling tickets: I know that Olipro put in that stupid message, but I myself never cancelled any of those tickets, I instead requested the missing information from the user. (and Olipro doesn't really touch them as he mainly deals with the SIM unlocker tickets - that's how we shared the work between each other.)

I also thought of another thing, a problem can be if someone accidentally posted their ticket under "Contributing members" (sim unlocker freebie request based on contributions to the XDA community). it should not go there, it should go under one of the Hard-SPL topics (separated by device models).

if you have an IRC client we could talk more about the web visibility ideas and the assembly stuff as well. :D I'm on freenode #xda-devs

(freenode does have a java client too, webchat.freenode.net, only your browser is needed for that one)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] F2504x4:
Hmm i can see just what you are saying, maybe putting a option titled "first time cmda unlockers click here" and "first time GSM unlockers click here" would help ..

Same for Hard-Spl....
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmonex:
F2504x4: yeah, good idea!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] DavidinCT:
You'd have an extra $40 from me (my phones already unlocked) if anyone could actually enable the FM radio on the CDMA TP2 in the process of unlocking this phone.

It has been done but, with problems.

A quote from mboguc

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=9089088&postcount=71

and another attempt by mattinfl

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=9360712&postcount=82

My dontation is based if someone can get this working...I need my sports radio on my phone
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] FL5:
I honestly did read the post. Several times. But it asked me to pay, and I was presented with the following options:

1. Pay ~$6, by paypal. It's so cheap as to really be insubstantial, and Paypal is easy.

2. Write an email. And wait. Yeah...

So I paid. Honestly, one of the better ways I've disposed of ~$6. So pleased that I did it again without hesitation, because it was even easier than bothering you about it over even IRC, where I already hang out anyway.

However, in my previous post I was not attempting to address the value/$ that the software offers, but the fact that the software that gives out free candy is forked.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] TheByteSmasher:
Stock Stuff

These are Stock Files From the Stock ROM... Included are Rcust.nb, SPL.nb and Unknown-896.nb If they are useful to anyone
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cajunflavoredbob:
Is there any way you could do that with a Hard SPL'd device instead of stock?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] TheByteSmasher:
Hard SPL From phone ROM

CFB.. I'm working on it, time and such... I think I know how. Until then.. didn't know if someone could tweak the stock spl or something... just more data points. Cheers!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cajunflavoredbob:
Wonderful. Looking forward to it. I'll post the files to the first page. I'm assuming this is a GSM version.

I also contacted orb3000 for a press workup. orb agreed to give us a shout out after reviewing the thread.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] TheByteSmasher:
Yeah, Sorry, TMOUS Stock GSM.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cajunflavoredbob:
Which SPL version was it?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] TheByteSmasher:
Stock Stuff

Hmmm.... I took the stock upgrade ROM that TMO released in 2010 and extracted the files.. Not sure what versions. :) Sorry.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cajunflavoredbob:
No problem. Any help is good help here.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmonex:
lol Hard-SPL is available in the HardSPL update NBH files. any NBH tool will do extraction of it... ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmonex:
what does press workup mean?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmonex:
ah so you are definitely the same FL5 as in #xda-devs? :)

sorry, I couldn't interpret your last sentence too well. what does "forked" mean here?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cajunflavoredbob:
It means he is thinking about posting this thread in the front page portal to increase visibility for us. We're trying to get the attention of someone willing to help us code or develop a new tool.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmonex:
ah, so the 24-48 hours max. response delay isn't helping enough in your opinion?

also, I hope you PM'd the guys you originally contacted with an update about how we (olinex) responded and offered a nice solution. that would give a more complete picture than the original message (which I just re-read now in the thread).
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmonex:
now, I read a bit more here... (before I only skimmed through part of the thread)

so, I do have an objection to this part: modding the original one to be standalone. I hope it is obvious why....
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] pulser_g2:
This thread has been closed due to the aims stated to "crack" the existing HardSPL.

Doing so is against the forum rules, and is illegal. Developing a completely new HardSPL is fine, but not posting information or discussion on bypassing any security mechanism embedded in the Olinex one.

If you wish to make a new thread SOLELY about making a new HardSPL, then that is fine. Making a thread to try and crack the Olinex one, or to dump or otherwise use it without their permission (ie. bypass any protection on install) will result in action being taken against those involved for warez.
[Epic 4G Android Development] noobnl:
leaving for good

http://www.sdx-downloads.com/devs/noobnl/Odin3+v1.61andepic.pit.zip
[Epic 4G Android Development] hayabusa1300cc:
thank you much sir
[Epic 4G Android Development] apfrost:
Thank You! I may go ahead and sell my epic actually. Sick of reading all the drama and the peoples ignorant posts. You guys do this for fun and all others do is criticize and be disrespectful.
[Epic 4G Android Development] smoothone:
Thankssssssss
[Epic 4G Android Development] leatherneck6017:
Is this more reliable than the odin referenced in the "how to un-brick your phone" thread?
[Epic 4G Android Development] ecooce:
Man you must be kidding me,I hope your BSin,because your part of the reason I went to the Epic after the great work you did with the Moment...Dude if its true you will never know how much what you have done for the community has meant.I think people ride you so much is because your just that good,or people ride your nuts all the time like I am now,lol,no but really your are badass to me.
[Epic 4G Android Development] wjsmaggle:
I really hope it's not true that you're leaving! I don't know what will happen to my phone without you here deving! It just won't be the same.
[Epic 4G Android Development] Magic Oreo:
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[Epic 4G Android Development] KL4V1CL3:
noob, I hope you're not actually leaving. It saddens me to hear this, especially after I just tried out your amazing start on Cyanogen and considering how much you really helped get Epic development started.

I can't say that I'm too surprised considering how vocal the haters are. Please know this, while the trolls and all the immature kiddies maybe louder, there is a whole community of Epic owners who really appreciate what you've done and have a lot of respect for your work.

May I ask where/what you'll be heading next?

Whatever happens noob, I wish you the best.
[Epic 4G Android Development] gharris040604:
+1
[Epic 4G Android Development] Magic Oreo:
oh, im nub and all that :P, whats the "epic.pit"?
[Epic 4G Android Development] bigdbag:
NOOOooooo seriously?!

Noob you can't leave, you are literally the only real dev for the Epic!!! Please stay. I will... almost turn gay for you. :eek:
[Epic 4G Android Development] jeffyv2:
:( don't leave!

Sent from my Epic 4G
[Epic 4G Android Development] dangdang:
Did he get a new phone?