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[EVO 4G General] pflatlyne:
You dont HAVE to pay. There are plenty of phones you could buy that DONT have that fee. No one held a gun to your head. If you didnt think the fee was worth it to have an Evo why did you agree to it. Sprint,if they wanted to ,could charge an additional 50 dollars a month and call it their "Evo added profit fee" if they wanted. If you dont want to pay the fee,then DONT.

Now,if you want an Evo,then yes,you DO have to pay. Sprint is free to charge whatever they want for it,whether it be a large initial payment or a higher monthly fee. Dont like it? Get something else. Veriozon will sell you a phone alot like an Evo without 4g and without a 10 dollar a month fee extra fee. AT&T and TMobile have similar offerings.
[EVO 4G General] rejectedkid:
Taking this a bit personal?
[EVO 4G General] Crotchety:
The point is that she won the case to begin with. That means her attorney(s) managed to get a group of people to sit in the jury box and award that woman $2.5 million dollars for spilling coffee that she knew was hot on herself. The same applies to the appeals process in that there's no guarantee which side the judgement will come down on. A guy falling off of a ladder while breaking into a house, then suing the homeowner for injuries and actually winning is the kind of crap I'm talking about. The silliest cases are actually being won in the courts, so it would not at all be a stretch for Sprint to lose a class action suit over the fee.
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
Why I'm Even On Sprint:

Dude, calm down. I switched from AT&T to Sprint specifically for the Evo and because the SERO plan was less than what I was paying for just minutes. I specifically wanted a phone more powerful than what I was using. At first I was on an iPhone 2G with no texting and data and then it was my old SE W580i (still with no texting and data). I find that being with the larger companies is a great way to pay more for less. Even with the 4G fee, Sprint is cheaper than any other company. However, if saving $120 a year was an option, I would take it.

Why I'm Continuing to Pay:

Anyways, like I said before, I will continue to pay the 4G fee since I do have a metaphoric gun to my head; they won't stop charging unless I downgrade my phone. I AM in a 4G coverage area and have been since September (NYC), but I don't actually use 4G unless maybe I'm tethering. It takes up so much battery power it's worthless.

Why I'm Questioning the Fee:

My point is that Sprint doesn't explain what the fee is for clearly. According to this video where the interviewer is talking with the Sprint Executive Analyst, the fee is for the hardware of the phone and not 4G. He specifically says that all throughout the video, especially at the 14:00 mark. Video: http://bit.ly/ddUTjt

Why are we being charged $120 a year for the hardware of the phone? It works on and off the network. It never upgrades itself. It is the phone itself. Essentially, we're leasing these phones. Here's proof from the Sprint website:

If you don't question these things, you're just allowing companies to take your money without asking. I can understand charging more for the phone, but continuing to charge every month for the life of the phone is ridiculous. Even if they do "clear things up" and decide that the fee is for 4G, I wouldn't pay for it. I don't need 4G. I'm not in desperate need of speeds higher than 3G.
[EVO 4G General] zcarman:
The extra $10 has NOTHING to do with the 4G network people!!! It's pretty freaking simple to see why they have to charge a bit of a premium fee for what the EVO does. Almost no other stock phone can do any of these at this point - FLASH - HD YouTube - full HTML5 Browsing... The few that can, are on those 'overpriced' networks that have been hosing people for months anyways so who cares...

When I was using a BlackBerry Storm, my data usage was about 250-500MB per month (depending on how crazy busy my days were)... When I went to the Touch Pro 2, 1-1.5GB wasn't out of the range of possible, but usually I came in well under 1GB... I moved to Sprint and got the Moment and was pulling down around 1GB as well...

Since getting the Evo, my data usage is normally 3-5GB - and that doesn't include the 4G data that isn't listed! That's what the premium fee covers - the unbelievable amount of data that this thing chews up.

So, stop complaining about the lack of 4G speed (which in outlying areas is slower than the 3G you have on your local 3G towers) and start using the phone the best you can.
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
Right...but you can still use up that much data on a Moment or Hero. Why don't they need this "premium" data fee? Oh that's right. Because they're outdated hardware. It has nothing to do with data at all. In reality, it would make more sense if it was. But it doesn't. It's all about the hardware, which is a ****-move on Sprint's part.
[EVO 4G General] zcarman:
Not really, if you are using a stock Moment, the data connection will drop well before you get to 5GB a month... Good luck with that one! :D

Oh and a quick PS - one thing I read online, which I don't know if it is true or not, but Sprint is having to pay Clear the $10 fee per line whether the 4G service is used or not, so if everyone wants to complain about the cost, follow Sprint's negotiations with Clear on this one...

http://www.ppcgeeks.com/2010/11/11/will-sprint-remove-10-monthly-premium-for-its-4g-handsets/

It's all a bit confusing, but I am still saving $150 a month over what I used to pay VZW and couldn't love my phone more.
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
Please, elaborate a little more on that. Are you saying that because there are flaws with the hardware/software of the phone? Forget Android. If you wanted to, you could run up the data on any phone.

Two people are sitting on a bus. One has a Blackberry Tour, the other has an HTC Evo. They're both tethering with PDANet (which exists on both platforms and does not require root). Tell me why the Evo requires a fee and the Blackberry doesn't.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Not at all its the truth, you have options. Pick another phone, another carrier. You chose the Evo and the charges associated with it.
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
Did you even bother to read my response?
[EVO 4G General] Crotchety:
Actually Sprint's only paying $4.46 to Clearwire for 4G and I doubt they'll be inclined to pass the savings on to us if they manage to wiggle their way out of paying that. They're in business to make money for them, not save money for us when we're already paying.

http://www.betanews.com/article/Spr...4Gcapable-devices-that-only-use-3G/1289586055
[EVO 4G General] HelgesenJ:
The Premium Data Charge at no point said "4G charge". The premium data charge is due to the phone having the snap dragon processor and a full HTML browser. Do I agree with the fee personally? No. Do I pay it? Yes. The Evo is currently the best phone on the market without having to deal with Team-mobiles total lack of coverage in my area.
[EVO 4G General] weidnerj:
I live in a 4G area - but don't get 4G service since as it is currently well known 4G doesn't penitrate into buildings very well. So 4G isn't a value added feature for me since I can't use it.

It was stated that we pay the "extra" $10 for the hardware. But we bought the phone. Even if someone was to pay for the phone at full retail prices, they still have to pay the $10 extra. Add on top of that the recent Clearwire/Sprint disagreement about fees, that really makes Sprint look bad - almost a double standard.

Yes, I paid the fee because I wanted the EVO. It was my choice - either to pay it or not be able to have the EVO. Sprint messed up by making this a "tax" for 4G devices - they should have just added the $10 to everyone and call it good. Eventually everyone will have a phone as good or better than the EVO in the future...
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
They can't make it an option as obviously they also pay a charge for every phone themselves. If clear removes the fee then they might lower it for everyone else, but never fully remove it.
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
The issue is why is 4G necessary in the first place? Most of the time you don't need speeds greater than 3G. I live in NYC which is like 4G central and that's saying something. It's horrible for you battery and not really beneficial unless you're tethering. I think Sprint should just buy out the rest of Clear and make 4G free like the other companies are doing.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
What company? Verizon will be charging for it, I'm sure so will at&t as they use the same technology. T-Mobile... they don't even have 3g... more speed = more money, period. And what do u mean we don't need it? Do u known what everyone uses their phone for? Tethering on 4g is amazing, makes my business so much easier and faster when I'm on the go.

Reminds me of when they said "who needs a computer in every home". Same for cell phones. Technology develops, if u want to be part of it u must pay.
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
You're taking this way too personally and literally. I'm not speaking for everyone. I'm talking about in my experience. As I've said a million times, tethering is the only time 4G is useful for me.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Nobody is taking anything personal, the fact of the matter is there are options; other phones, other carriers. It's as simple as that. And with this my great friends I will leave this conversation :) We all love our phones and got them for a reason, regardless if we agree or not, we all pay it because we love the phone.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Neither does Sprint. Clear's WiMax != 4G. Oh, and the G2/MyTouch 4G can hit up to 16 Mbps on T-Mo's HSPA+ coverage; making it faster than Sprint's WiMax and without a added fee.
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
Actually, Sprint has one of the fastest 3G networks around. It's even faster than Verizon's. He said 3G, not 4G. Also, while I do prefer T-Mobile's HSPA+ since it's always-on, free, and doesn't drain battery, T-Mobile's coverage sucks. Sprint's coverage is Sprint + Verizon because we get roaming for free. Download Roam Control and you have instant Verizon signal.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
I assumed it was a typo since T-Mo does have 3G.

By the way, I could hit 3-5 Mbps on a iPhone 4 on AT&T's "3G network". Of course, it's actually HSPA+ but I don't think many on here would call the iPhone 4 anything but a 3G phone so...
[EVO 4G General] omegasun18:
I agree...well that and fruit roll ups. ... i mean what the hell they arent healthy for you? I always thought that counted as my fruit serving for the day ... next they are going to tell me hawaian punch is bad for you too!
[EVO 4G General] omegasun18:
correct there is no added fee its just a more expensive plan then sprints... so hey you may pay more but at least there is no extra fee *rolls eyes*
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
T-Mo's plans are pretty competitive, and if you get a no-contract plan it comes out cheaper. The Nexus One (and presumably, Nexus S) can get away with even more for less since they aren't fully considered smart phones by T-Mo.
[EVO 4G General] edtate:
Well, I will complain about htc's shady build quality. I've had 3 replacement phones and guess what needs to get replaced again due to a faulty screen?

Oh, and seriously, if your life revolves around how fast you can download ________ (insert whatever your're downloading), then you need to rearrange your priorities, or get out more. ****, you might find those elusive 4g bars while your out haha
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
You would be surprised at some of these customers...
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
Just saw this link as a Facebook ad:

http://www.bursor.com/press/101203sprint4g.html
[EVO 4G General] Jbcarrera:
wow guess they figure they can get more people to sign on
[EVO 4G General] pflatlyne:
Yea,4g on the evo blows most places. In cleveland its good,in salt lake city.its a joke. Oh well. It was not even live in slc when I bought mine. I knew that going in. the extra fee is now charged on all smart phones,not just the evo,so who cares. The put it on the evo first,but everybody gets it in the end (pun intended) the fact is,sprints 4g tech sucks compared to other companies,so.go get one of those other phones. Like me,everyone else had 30 days to go realize it sucked,and go elsewhere,or go back to their old phone. If,like me you stayed with the evo,you probably.realized that even without 4g the evo was.as good or better than its competators,which did not have 4g at all when they bought their evos. Get over it. I figure ill wait till next summer as the evos works just fine,the switch to verizon or att with an lte phone,assuming lte actually works
[EVO 4G General] culua:
Seriously? I live in San Diego I still bought evolution even though I don't have 4g here in SD it isn't a problem too me. These attorneys are just hungry.
[EVO 4G General] TimidRat:
Are the people at this law firm mentally ill? Sprint made it pretty damn clear, and when people still *****ed the changed it so everyone had to pay $10 for unlimited data, regardless of the phone. These lawsuits are getting out of control, i bet apple payed these guys.
[EVO 4G General] TimidRat:
Except You're gonna pay out the ass with t-mo and have your speeds slowed down, and i've used t-mo all over california and southern Nevada, sprint trumped them everytime.
[EVO 4G General] pfcland:
Seriously who gives a crap about a measly $10.00 for unlimited data ??????? I mean wow $10 is so much money i can buy me a Ferrari with that kinda money ..... If you look at the other phone companies they charge $30.00 for unlimited data and Verizon charges a extra $10 so that makes it $40.00 for 4g and unlimited data ... i am not sure about at&t and t mobile charges . But who cares about $10 dollars seriously...

I got this phone 2 weeks ago and i knew i didn't have 4g here in my area or office but i don't really care if i get it or not because i am really happy with this Bad ass phone , Yea we will get 4g eventually but till then i will use my 3g which i am happy with . when i get 4g i will be happier .

Also they are about to upgrade the 3g here soon and make it 10x faster at like 12mb downloads which is gonna be sweet ....

So for the person making the lawsuit if you dont like you dam phone go with Verizon or at&t or t mobile and leave us Sprint lovers the HELL alone .....
[EVO 4G General] Dratini:
If you have nothing better to do with 10 bucks than to give it to the phone company, that's up to you. The best option doesn't make it the ideal option, like presidential candidacy. Not trying to be a jerk, just my thoughts on paying for something you will never be able to use and they know.

I have 4G but I find it slow. It might be unlimited but its not very fast compared to other places. Would still prefer Sprint though. I really do like the company.

I don't like the Evo's screen size, it wastes too much space and battery. I got a good deal on it though, so I'm not complaining too hard, just sucks.
[EVO 4G General] :
CDMA WILL NEVER REACH above 3.1 Mbps just so you know. IT IS a hardware limitation. Only thing that could would be is EV-DO REV B HW UPGRADED to reach a theoretical 14 mbps now.... So don't think CDMA 3G can be 12 mb... and 12 mb is pretty damn fast considering that would be one hell of a fiber line. you meant 12 mbps ( there is a huge difference not trying to troll or anything I am just pointing it out so next time you avoid confusion)

Note EV-DO REV B is not used in teh united states nor will it ever be. The CDMA operators have made commitments to use the 4G that is actually 3.5g networks. LET AND WiMAX
[EVO 4G General] TimidRat:
Umm, T-mo's hspa+ can hit theoretical speeds of 21 MBps, Sprints 4g is 47 MBps, so since when is 21mbps faster than 47? Idk where you get your info, but it's wrong, and t-mo throttles, so you get half my 4g speeds for a few weeks, than are forced to use edge until your billing cycle resets... I want some of whatever you've been taking.
[EVO 4G General] Khilbron:
This thread really needs to be locked it was necro'd from December of last year.
[EVO 4G General] Crossrocker:
who the hell bumped a year old thread?

Deck's + SZ + SuperCharger script + ViperMod script.
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
You did.

/filler
[EVO 4G General] Crossrocker:
No I didn't?

Deck's + SZ + SuperCharger script + ViperMod script.
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
You just bumped it. Everybody needs to stop posting.
[EVO 4G General] mattykinsx:
What is the big deal with "necrosis posting" if the post is on topic?
[EVO 4G General] newter55:
Silly you thinking that they would look at the timestamps to be sure they knew before responding.
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
This is the last bump I give, but for the last time, any reply is considered a bump. The thread was settling and then he came and replied. inb4 "hypocrite".
[EVO 4G General] newter55:
Lolokwut??
[Droid X General] jasonm4046:
Been reading and I have seen video on a dual boot bootloader called openiboot. I have also read about a tool or method called kexec which boots under original boot on a locked device and the forces a second boot which kicks out original programming to allow booting into something else. Is this method possible on droid x the get around locked bootloader. I know it would make rebooting take longer but honestly I don't reboot my phone that often once I have it set the way I want.
[Droid X General] giventofly17:
There's been a few people who tried kexec, but from my understanding they can get it to boot, but can't get the radio to work.
[Droid X General] Ubermicro13:
I'd rather have a new kernal than the radio I don't use
[Droid X General] cellzealot:
The phone is a radio...no radio means no phone and no data. Just an FYI...;)
[Droid X General] joshw0000:
The HTC Eris has a dual rom. It requires multiple sd card partitions. Once flashed a 2.1 rom runs from the phone and a 2.2 rom runs from various ext2 partitons on the sd card. You use scripts in gscript lite (free market app) to boot back and forth between the roms. Maybe someone can apply this to the X somehow.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] asdfX02:
This is a thread for people to post tips and suggestions, and Q&A for non-critical issues, as opposed to the other ones which seem to be addressing problems like not being able to boot etc.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] asdfX02:
So here are my questions:

-I saw the battery % on my lock screen in the past, but it seems to come and go at random. How do I make it stay permanently?

-Is there a way to shut off vibration for the dialpad? I can turn off vibration for the keyboard and for dialing numbers within a call, but dialing the actual number seems not be affected by any of the options under Settings. Spare Parts doesn't seem to have any fixes either.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Crocketeer:
About the percentages, I've noticed that too.

It seems to show the percentage either when the battery is lower than 25(ish.. I can't confirm this just yet), and when it's charging.

I have yet to see is show up randomly at anything higher than 25 though.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] asdfX02:
My battery is now at 23% and it still doesn't show on the lock screen. =(
[Vibrant General] roguly:
I find myself constantly refreshing the android dev forum, scouring thru developers websites, and stalking their twitter pages, looking for an update to the latest ROM. I almost never use my vibrant for what it is anymore...a phone! This website has ruined me. I spend my whole day pressing F5 over and over and over. Flashing, reflashing, flashing, reflashing, ERROR, ODIN, flashing, reflashing. Im sick, i need help. I can see it now....FOX news reporting "Kids trying new drug...street name "XDA"." Its a massacre.

haha jk :p
[Vibrant General] Thegreat520:
Lol im the same way is there a cure im I think im dying little by little lol great post
[Vibrant General] willsnews:
For real dude I was watching a medical show as well a looking through xda and heard the heart rate monitor in the background and cause I've done so much to this phone I thought I did something wrong I put it up to my ear like oh crap that can't be good and my wife was like that's the tv dumb ass

This site did take me off of facebook though so I've got that going for me I'm in love with my vibrant there it at least has vibrant in the thread once edit: twice

Constantly Drinking
[Vibrant General] willsnews:
Whats even worse I'm getting a laptop just for the purpose of having odin handy..24 hours being a dad and working 24 hours xda and modding cause of course this site has a mobile app my days are so much longer now

Constantly Drinking
[Vibrant General] swehes:
I want to agree with everyone's elses comments on here. I feel like all the other people on this subject. Looking for the next best ROM for the phone. Always trying to make it better.
[Vibrant General] All~G1:
"hi my name is all ~g1, and yes, yes ... I am an addict!" :tear:

Now that the froyo storm has passed & R12 is in the recalibration stage I think, or at least I hope, I'll keep the staking down by half. I'm happy, for now.

Waiting patiently for 2.3 nexus $ release... Lol.
[Vibrant General] gatesmarch123:
Yes I'm in this boat as well. My wife keeps yelling at me to put the damn phone down. She even complained to her therapist about my flash addiction!
[Vibrant General] roguly:
also ever since i started flashing roms i feel the need to learn how to create my own roms and modifications. Luckily my laziness overcomes this feeling, but still. :D
[Vibrant General] willsnews:
No kidding right as soon as I get my laptop I think I'm going to try to make live wallpapers or something like that at least I won't feel like I'm wasting time although everyone else that I know that has a vibrant ain't got $#&! On mine they ask me what I did I say read things on xda for a month and a half ps reading for hours on end for a month straight = a whole lot of reading

Constantly Drinking
[Vibrant General] roguly:
haha true. but my friends dont know **** about technical stuff and most of them just have messaging phones (LG Vu, Sharp FX, blah blah) so if i try to explain anything about my phone to them there like clueless haha. And im not even going to bother talking to people who have an iphone. I wonder that spell they are put under when they buy that phone so that no matter what, they think there phone is 100x better than anyone else's when its not lol. but this isnt a iphone bashing thread so ill leave it at that. :D
[Vibrant General] jonwilly:
Feel the same way dude. Its the new drug of choice.
[Vibrant General] roguly:
well, maybe the second drug of choice ;) lol jk :D
[Vibrant General] iynfynity:
lol this is also what's happening to me today! especially the froyo roms are on the hype today. when i wake up the very first thing that i will do is to look if there's an update on the development section. :D
[Vibrant General] 12paq:
Hi my name is 12paq.

I have been modding hard since my Pocket PC days. I have increased to 8-10 hours a day since getting my Vibrant and trying flashing for the first time. Don't blame Odin or Rom Manager, they are just delivery devices.

My wife has left me, my daughter won't talk to me and my dog left me for another dude. (Sounds like all Country music).

I refuse to believe I have a problem. It is everyone else that has a problem!

Now back to reading XDA. Tonight I'm mixing it with top shelf Gin for extra buzz. Now leave me alone!

Sent from my SGH-T959 which I could stop using the XDA App any time I want.