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[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TheMagicalSock:
I have an Evo, but I'll keep this as unbiased as I can. I know hardly anything about the Epic.

1.The Evo is $50 cheaper than the Epic with a two year contract.

2. Runing CM6, I get about eighteen hours of total on time, and six and a half with the screen on (texting, web browsing, all that). I'm a pretty heavy user. However, the Evo is infamous for its bad battery life in reviews and such. I never had any problems, and most of the battery issues had to do with the phone not sleeping or account syncs eating up the battery. I don't make any compromises (like keeping 3G off or turning my syncs off) to get the numbers I listed. I don't know anything about the Epic's battery.

3. CM6 RC1 is available for the Evo. The dev support is really strong. Epic doesn't have much dev support from what I've heard.

4. The Evo's camera isn't very good. It shoots 720p video, but with the stock Sense ROM (and custom Sense ROMs) it's only good quality with plenty of light. The general consensus is that the code written for the camera isn't very good.

5. This is completely opinion. I know there are times when a physical keyboard would be nice, but I have no problems with an onscreen keyboard and Swype.

6. The Evo had screen separation issues and light leak issues, but they weren't widespread and Sprint will fix you up if you run into one of those things. I didn't.

7. This is the same reason I chose the Evo over the Epic. It just felt better, for whatever reason. The build quality is very good on the Evo. My only problem with the phone's design is that the battery cover is pretty thin. It gives slightly when you put pressure on it.The screen and the rest of the phone is solid. I've heard some people complain about dust under the screen. I've had my Evo since August and haven't had that issue.

8. Not sure. I know that there have been rumours about some dual-core phones hitting the market in Q1/Q2 2011, but I can't see myself needing anything other than my Evo until then.

I hope that helps. I don't know a whole lot about the Epic. I know that the screen is fantastic, but the dev support isn't that great and to me, the Evo just feels better. I'm not an HTC fanboy or anything - if somebody took my Evo and gave me an Epic, I'm sure I wouldn't be too upset.
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] theimpaler747:
I agree, it'd be an evo for me, not a huge samsung/physical keyboard fan myself
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] boiker:
The Epic has a gorgeous screen Super AMOLED, a 1GHZ Hummingbird processor and a surprisingly thin form-factor for a slider. The hummingbird is a very fast processor--anecdotally it runs way better than the snapdragon. Despite all these goodies, it is a Samsung and I'm done with them. My Samsung Moment was a big disappointment of glitches and radio/data lock-ups, rebooting, freezes, etc.

The Evo would be my preferred device, but I'm waiting until March next year (at the latest) to see what comes up.

No matter what, I'm staying with sprint.
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SirRipo:
That's my dilemma too. I have noticed that the Epic seems to be smoother/faster than the Evo, and it feels okay, but I heard a bunch of horror stories about the Moment, and Samsung in general to some extent.
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Asadullah:
Honestly this is a decision you have to make on your own. What you want. If I had an upgrade right now I would pass due to lack of phones I want (mytouch4g for sprint). If I had to choose though right now between evo and samsung epic, hands down evo. Samsung support sucks of all the devices they made read up on the behold 2. They got it bad. This is pretty much a continuing thing with samsung. If you like cyanogen it's already got support on the evo. The evo is kinda big though like a tablet (damn I'm thinking about android tablets again). Basically only reason I would choose evo is it's support base. I don't get lured in by prettyness (is that a word?). Real support can make or break a phone in my opinion. Story time ...

once upon a time I was with at&t bought an unlocked windows mobile phone from overpriced.com. AT&T wouldn't give me the mms settings (even though the phone was sold at at&t stores) and couldn't find them online. I tried and tried and eventually figured out at&t wasn't for me. They made my phone useless. Not much of a story.

Also samsung doesn't officially have drivers for windows 64. Try and find them. I've got them now due to looking all over the place don't believe me? Go through that mess samsung calls a website.

Sorry I really don't like samsung. I have really good reasons though
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] theimpaler747:
Yup, same with me, I want dual core!!! :p
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chawski:
to comment on your worry about the phone being underpowered in a year, think of it like this... Unless someone comes up with a new battery that literally revolutionizes the way we power portable electronics, you are going to suffer greatly from anything much faster than a 1ghz, and id even argue that that is too overpowered for what the battery can handle. sure a 1.5 ghz dual core processor sounds all well and good on paper, but its gonna get to the point that your "cell phone" is a land line that can come off the charger for a short period of time if you need it to. Also, keep in mind (as already posted), a new phone literally pops up every other week. No matter how long you wait for the next great phone, there will always be the speculation of yet another phone.

The question also leads me to ask people what in the world are they doing on their phone that they need a 1.5 ghz processor!? i have a hero overclocked slightly running cm6.1 stable, and its plently fast. there has NEVER been a time with my hero that I have been in a position that if i could access something 2 seconds quicker that it would have had even the slightest impact on my task at hand.

Personally, I would go with the Evo, simply bc the development seems to be significantly better for it. from samsungs past, you arent going to get many updates in any type of timely fashion, so if you want the newest OS, thats gonna mean looking to the dev's, and at the current time, its nowhere near on par with that of the Evo

I know i didnt really answer too many of your specific questions, but i think they are still good points to keep in mind
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] theimpaler747:
Forget battery life if I have a 1.5 GHz dual core phone ;)
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] andythegreenguy:
When did that (CM 6.1 stable) come out? :eek: :confused:
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SirRipo:
something like three weeks ago? 10/28
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kostov22:
Opinion...

first of all....i would probably get an Evo before epic, but what i noticed in the thread was...well a lot of people are trying to compare the moment and epic(i had moment and i'm done with samsung)i just dont think its right....

i mean...it is the same thing to compare hero and evo...

there's just no comparison....
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] andythegreenguy:
Technically, it's RC... isn't it? I mean, it is stable enough for everyday use... but still.
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stayclean:
Correct.

Also, Epic still doesn't have a date for 2.2, ouch.
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SirRipo:
Yeh, if you are being technical. But typically that's what's referred to as the "stable" build.
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] spiritcrusher33:
get whatever makes u happy.lol

If I was still with sprint I would pass on both. since i dont want to pay 10 bucks extra a month.. Sprint needs something like the incredible.. but without 4g.. but its either pay extra for the evo or epic or the hero. cause honestly wouldnt mess with those budget androids on sprint..

Just remember most if not all HTC androids will have better support than samsung or lg etc.. not to mention You will find way more cases and battery options with HTC too.
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nrap:
i was in the exact same boat as op. i went and played with both for about an hour. the choice was clearly Evo
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mercado79:
I'm with you. Just hope I don't have to wait too much past Jan/Feb for it. I'm eligible for an upgrade 12/1, but I know there's some great new hardware coming soon!
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fixxxer2008:
get an evo my friend. the epic is only for people who need a keyboard. the screen on the epic is awesome but i think the evo has more development and roms. best phone ive purchased soo far is my evo.
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fixxxer2008:
the hero is a budget device.
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kasl33:
I have the Epic and it is a wonderful phone. Every once in a while I fantasize about having the Evo, but then I remember that it is a heavier phone even without a slide out keyboard.

As far as Android 2.2 on the Epic, it may not be *officially* released, but I have it on mine and it works just fine. The third party support on XDA is wonderful for the Epic. I don't know where you all get your info in saying it is not.

The ONLY things I would pick the Evo over the Epic for are:

[*]HTC's Sence UI has WAAAAAAAY better widgets.

[*]The screen is bigger

The reasons to pick the Epic are as follows:

[*]Better Screen

[*]Smoother and faster

[*]Descent battery life

[*]Has camera flash (I'm not sure that the Evo does... correct me if it does)
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ASimmons:
The support compared to the evo, isn't even close. Just look who's in the evo forums.

I personally didn't want the physical keyboard and liked the Verizon epic better... but I'm on sprint.

The evo does have a flash and an 8mp camera. I also didn't think the epic was faster when I messed around with it and was suppressed by the scores it put out on Len pack and quadrant.

But a nice phone none the less, reminded me if my old rumor.
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] theimpaler747:
Benchmarks are notoriously dumb though, they often don't really represent everyday performance ;)
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dirkyd3rk:
Yeah you cant really judge samsung off the moment if that was the case then you have to count for how many crappy phones htc made in the past because i had alot of them should I name a few, tmo dash, tmo wing, tmo mda, htc touch diamond, I mean I could name some more but those are just a few. I do know samsung has crappy support for their android devices but i mean thats what we have xda for i guess right? I personally have my upgrade this december 1st and Ive been debating on which one im going to get and I believe it came down to the epic. First of all the evo is just retarded large and heavy. I know the epic isnt small itself but i like to keep my phones in my pocket im not a case kind of guy. I am not really a fan of the touch screen keyboard I prefer a physical qwerty. Also the screen on the epic is way better than the evo hands down but im sure most these things i could say about both devices you guys already know so i wont say much more i guess. I mean with EOL you would have a 1ghz processor so you probably wont have to worry much about staying up to date because your phone would still be fast enough unlike our stupid hero. Im sure 1st quarter of 2011 maybe some other phones are coming out but im in desperate need of a new phone so its EPIC for me. Lastly best buy usually has the best deals if your are eligible for an upgrade as they dont have rebates unlike sprint.
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dpeeps74:
I liked my mda. The wing definitely sucked tho. They were nearly identical spec wise, which I think is why the wing sucked so much more. Both had to be replaced multi times. And still not sure why they changed the direction of the slide on the wing. I never could get used to that. And that weird rubber coating. Nearly needed vasoline to get that thing out of my pocket in a hurry without pulling my whole pocket out.
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] theimpaler747:
Very good point :D
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bholoo:
Epic Dude

So epic man. Its an ugly phone, but its fast. Freaky Fast. AMOLED takes up less battery, and its camera is nice. Im an EPIC.
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stayclean:
I can tell you this, if the much rumored "EVO Shift 4G"/Knight/whatever other rumored codename pans out to be a Sprint-branded Desire Z/G2, I would personally be buying that as soon as I could. Having messed around with a friend's, I am very, very damn envious. Not a big physical keyboard fan, but I much prefer it over the Epic's keyboard (prefer the layout, and the overall design of it), and any other Android keyboard I've used. Also, having used a N1 a bunch of times, I really like a 3.7" screen. Not that I find the Epic or EVO's screen to be too big or anything, but it's a nice compromise. Also, a second-gen processor that's better on battery life and etc is very, very appealing. Not crossing my fingers or anything, but hey, maybe the next month or two will surprise me...
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ksizzle9:
I read in the OP that the camera is better on evo, I'm not a sprint customer but Verizon so I will. Ale only one comment(OK maybe 2) the camera in the epic(unless different from my fascinate) is FAR FAR better than the one in the EVO my galaxy blows my Droid incredible away in Every way mi.us 2.2, and the fascinate is epic without keyboard and Droid incredible is evolution with smaller screen....so its all up to the user

Edit: also galaxy s is one of the only phones that supports TRUE multi touch, evo of course has it, but galaxy s can support up to five points, without a hack. I will say that HTC makes great phones tho and has far better support than Samsung, at least at this point
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Pierceye:
Easy decision. The Evo. The most informative thing you can do to make this choice is to go to Sprint.com and read the user reviews for both phones. The only major complaint you can really find about the Evo is the battery life. Which to be honest can be frustrating at times. From reading up on smartphones in general though, that can be said of most smartphones these days. Between the display and the processor, you are going to be chewing up some serious battery life. This is also one of the more common complaints on the Epic reviews. I think we are looking at a jump in battery technology before we can expect days long performance out of a phone like the Epic or the Evo.

The Epic review section is overflowing with a variety of complaints. The overall gist of them is that Samsung has been providing extremely poor support for the device. From what I have read there I don't think the Epic would have been ready for release, development-wise, until 11-1 or so. The number of software bugs alone is pretty scary. I also have the same opinion about build quality. The Epic was not available yet when I got my Evo, but even if it had been, I would have gone with the HTC product based on the build alone. When I got to try one out in the Sprint store, the Epic just feels flimsy. And my primary concern about sliders was obvious already on a handset that had only been on display for three days. The springs were already getting weak and the keyboard in the closed position was already getting wobbly.

And I guess one of the most damning testimonies, when I went back to the Sprint store a few weeks later to try out an Epic on a new line for my mother, the salesman said okay at first, but when he heard I already had an Evo, he flat out said don't get the Epic. "You'll be disappointed", was the exact phrasing. This on a phone that was $50 more than the one he recommended. (Better commission for him.) He recommended the Evo flat out and had tried both phones for a week or more. He kept the Evo, gave the Samsung back.

The display on the Epic was also disappointing when I weighed it against all the hype. It IS crisp and clear. Poor image quality was not the issue. It was that it was almost too crisp. Stiff looking and definitely oversaturated. I'm not sure I could watch a full length movie all the way through on that screen. My eyes would get tired by half way. The Evo's screen is still clear and bright, but does not have the same eye straining qualities.

Lastly though, just do some reading and try them out. If you are due for an upgrade you get the same deal as a new subscriber. Risk free trial for thirty days. So give them both a whirl. You may find that the Epic is the shiznit and the opinions listed above weren't worth the trouble it took to type.
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] houkah:
First off i think u'd be happy with either one. I have an epic but i've played around with the evo quite a bit as a lot of friends and coworkers have one. If you have to have a keyboard get the epic. If you're really into mods and roms get the evo. If you care about shooting video and pictures i'd say get the epic. I'm not sure if things have changed with the evo since they unlocked the framerate but video was god awful on that thing. Brightness changes caused a really odd stepping effect. Another thing.... even w/ the framerate unlocked i find the evo a bit sluggish/choppy. Mainly in the application drawer. But framerate is just something i'm really anal about (i work as an animator), and i highly doubt most people would care.

Now the epic on the other hand... the build quality is flaky. The evo feels really solid and well made to me vs the epic. Also i love the kickstand and screen size. Not quite enamored w/ the screen contrast on the evo but it's definitely serviceable.

Everybody has different needs and will nitpick different things. My qualms about the evo are probably very much in the minority. If possible play with both as much as possible.

Having said all of this though... i would wait for the nexus s heh.

//edit - forgot to mention. Samsung/sprint suck at support for the epic. I say both because i don't think it's all samsungs fault. I ran into a few samsung mobile employees at adobe max and i, and a few other conference goers w/ galaxy s variants cornered them about the froyo update. They finally admitted it was done on their end. When we asked 'so where is it?' they replied 'ask your carriers'. (this was around the end of october)
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dirkyd3rk:
Yeah I was on the epic bandwagon until I heard rumors about the HTC Knight was supposed to come out in January 2011. That phone I hear is like a smaller evo which is perfect cause I hate the size of the evo. I also heard about the Samsung nexus s or whatever its called and it sounds amazing as well.
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Loosenuts:
If I had to pick between the two I would go with the EVO. Reasons; bigger screen, HDMI output, optional 2600 mAh battery (w/matching covers) from sprint, quality OEM and it costs less. Also IMO It looks sleeker, not a fan of the rounded edges and thickness due to physical keyboard.

I've owned the HTC hero since nov09 and its had no issues. I'm hoping HTC will have a new dualcore processor phone from qualcomm beginning of next year but I'm also considering the LG w/tegra2. Nothing but good reviews have come out about the optimus and I'm a big fan of nvidia.

Sent from AOSP's no nonsense froyo ROM / HERO200
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] r2hudson:
my personal reason why im trading my epic

thanks for this thread, ive had the epic for a couple months, been thinking about trading it for the evo for a while now, dont mean to be biased but here are my personal reasons I would like to trade my epic:

not wanting to wait around so long for gingerbread like ive waited for froyo, htc has already confirmed gingerbread on some of their devices and you know Evo will be one. im still waiting for froyo... im on the leaked 2.2 but the only real change I have noticed was flash 10.1. I dont feel the speed Ive been longing since I heard all the hype about the hummingbird yet

me not even using the physical keyboard as much as i thought i would like on my previous phones (in my signature). I like the 5 row, spacious keyboard, but I dont like the layout and the buttons constantly drop letters. I have become more accurate with on screen keyboards such as swype and smart keyboard pro than i have with the epics physical keyboard

Bigger screen...the epic has a BEAUTIFUL screen, I watch a lot of things on my phone and the s-amoled is amazing compared to other devices, i love it. One small thing that bugs me is that when I use it at night in bed it hurts my eyes, so in its lowest brightness setting, its still tooo bright

I know htc builds a quality device, the epic feels kinda cheap. I would wait for the knight/shift but im turned off by the 3.7inch screen, and im really looking forward to the kickstand on the evo

my battery sucks and my options are limited, as well as with other accessories

CM6...and all the support here on xda for the evo:D

I have only played with the evo a little bit so i dont know about all of its flaws personally, so please feel free to let me know if im making the wrong decision, im trying to get an evo this weekend
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Product F(RED):
I'm usually one to make a big list of all the reasons why the Evo is better than the Epic, backed up with facts, but I'm going to just add/repeat a few more:

- #1 Sense-based ROM on the Evo right now: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=793471

- Cyanogen does not make ROMs for Samsung phones: http://twitter.com/cyanogen/status/11590517582204928

- Don't listen to the battery life crap from Epic owners. Stock Evo vs Stock Epic, the Epic's battery isn't any better than the Evo's. On a completely stock kernel (HTC #17), I'm getting about 15 1/2 hours of battery life. See my post here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=9556189#post9556189

- The Epic community is nowhere near as big as the Evo community. There are far more ROMs and mods for the Evo, and overall you'll find that even after the Evo is no longer Sprint's flagship phone, it'll never be outdated because of all the things you can do to it.

- Don't listen to Epic owners bash the Evo just because the CPU is slightly faster on the Epic. For gaming, yes, you will see a big difference (the Epic's GPU > Evo's GPU), but for regular stuff, you won't notice a difference. Also, while the screen is definitely sharper, I find that the contrast is ridiculous and colors are exaggerated. On top of that, Super AMOLED is virtually unusable in sunlight.

- Sense UI. Need I say more? If you don't like it, remove it. Touchwiz adds nothing. It's a really half-assed attempt to emulate the iPhone's interface. And if you do happen to like it, I have good news for you: Touchwiz is just an application like LauncherPro that will run on any Android phone.

- Don't trust Samsung. With them, you can have stability, performance, and support, but not all three. Usually you only get performance. They like to be bleeding-edge. But the issue with that is that they don't throughly-test their phones before releasing them. First off, they take forever with their updates. While the Galaxy S phones are just getting 2.2, the Evo will be on 2.3. Secondly, they have a nasty habit of abandoning their phones to put out a newer, "better" flagship. HTC has a MUCH better track record. Last but not least, their phones feel like toys.
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] andygu3:
Looks like the current stock of Galaxy S phones will not see 2.3! Only the Nexus S will see Gingerbread
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Product F(RED):
Yup, you're right. Read this article: http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/09/samsung-undecided-about-gingerbread-on-galaxy-s-google-says-har/