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[EVO 4G General] Crotchety:
...and here we go again

It seems we're seeing more threads on XDA about people who are "tired of hearing cheap bastards complain about the $10 fee" than we are actual complaints about the fee itself. Time to stop beating both end of this dead horse and let it rot already.

And just for the record, when buying my EVO I was not actually told what I'd be paying the extra $10 for. They just asked me whether I wanted the Everything Data or Simply Everything plan and that was it. Of course I already knew about the fee before buying and I'm okay paying it so long as I'm still getting a better deal than elsewhere. My point is that the $10 fee is not necessarily being fully explained to each and every customer at the time of purchase and the fact that Sprint is now trying to wiggle their way out of paying the same type of fee to Clearwire is not going to help their defense if this goes to trial. As such it's not going to be such a stretch to convince a jury that Sprint is in the wrong here and a successful defense of this case will be anything but a slam dunk for them. Anyway they'll probably end up settling to avoid paying over-bloated legal fees to the only people who really get anything out of these cases....the attorneys.
[EVO 4G General] Jfree3000:
This is exactly why I switched to Sprint, I was actually on Verizon and I was not about to pay for $60 a month for two phones (wife and I) just for data on top of what ever plan then extra for text messaging. I gladly welcome a $10 fee any day.

Now if Sprint just gave up on 4g all together then yes I would understand a lawsuit but as mentioned they said they would be rolling out 4g but it will take time.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Not when u call a company, unless given permission you cant use it for anything but to show your friends, sprint will pull that call real quick Celebrities are also a much different situation.

But it would be funny if it did end up on the news
[EVO 4G General] Crotchety:
And not only that, but the "crazy *****" that recorded Mel Gibson is treading on very thin ice since California is a two-party consent state regarding recording of conversations. Since she obviously did not get consent from "Mr. Sugar Tits" to record him she could be in trouble herself.
[EVO 4G General] HelgesenJ:
I'm not really sure why everyone is under the impression the $10 charge is for 4G. It is a premium data charge for a very fast device with a 1Ghz processor that uses more bandwidth in the network than any other device.

When I still had my Hero and my wife had her EVO, my wife (very casual usage) had 2-3 times more kbs used than I did (very heavy usage).

You bought it, you knew the fee was required. If you miss understood that the fee was for the device being able to use more data, that is your fault. Now people are going to try and file a crap lawsuit against Sprint to try and get something that they are not entitled to. While Sprint will win the lawsuit, they will still incur legal fees which they will, you guessed it, pass along to the customers. Thanks. Go get an iPhone and use the crippled AT&T network where downloads are capped.
[EVO 4G General] Crotchety:
You apparently don't pay much attention to the kinds of lawsuits that are filed and either successfully litigated or settled against corporations every year. Without getting into whether or not the suit is frivolous (that's for the courts to decide), it's far too assumptive on your part to declare Sprint the winner before a case is even filed. Remember the woman who sued McDonald's over the hot coffee ("they didn't say it was that hot") and got a nearly $500,000 award for not knowing that one should be very careful when handling hot beverages. And her award was initially over $2.5 million before being knocked down by the judge. Don't just assume that Sprint won't take a hit if they're sued.
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
This thread is retarded, aside from the intellectual posts. As its been said a million times:

1) You bought the phone knowing what kind of coverage you have. All you have to do is go onto the Clear or Sprint website to check out your 4G coverage. You also knew you'd be paying the $10/month fee for 4G.

2) You had 30 days to return or exchange the phone. Plus, there are tons of reviews online.

3) You shouldn't buy a phone based on a single feature/gimmick. If you bought this phone thinking it would be portable Jesus, you're wrong. Personally, I bought the phone because it looks good, feels good, is made by a reputable manufacturer, is powerful, and will probably last me past my 2-year contract. I could care less about 4G. It eats up your battery and in most cases is unnecessary.

4) Don't keep GPS, Bluetooth, Wifi, and 4G on and complain that the battery life is horrible. Take some time to understand your phone. If battery life is that bad for you and you don't want to take the time to experiment with different ROMs and kernels, just buy an extended batery.

5) If you don't know squat about any of this stuff, you shouldn't even own this phone. Go buy something "easy", like the iPhone.
[EVO 4G General] nolageek:
I still want to know how all of you are getting cheap deals on Sprint. I'm paying $30+ more for the same thing as I was getting on T-Mo - I''m not complaining or anything, I knew the price when I switched - but I keep seeing people say they pay way less than other carriers... well? How much are you paying? $102 here.
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
http://www.sprint.com/sero

russ.s.mcguire@sprint.com - FIXED. I accidentally put "@gmail.com" before. This is how I got my SERO plan.

employee code: 383

That alone will take care of the $120 a month for 4G since you'll be paying less for the plans. Plus you get tons of perks like early upgrades, early nights, no restocking fee for phone exchanges (for new customers or upgrades), etc. Check it out.
[EVO 4G General] caguirr4:
I remember when blu-ray players first came out there were only a hand full of discs to buy. But people still went out and wanted to buy the latest and greatest technology. They paid buttloads of money for a device that would hardly be used. And when it was used only on certain televisions for the best quality. And with very very limited options to view. They just had faith that all the best movies would eventually be on blu-ray. And in time that came to fruition. Now there are quite a few movies old and new and several types of tv's big and small. And the world is a better place.

So whats the fuc*ing difference. Just be patient and hold the fuc* on. And realize that eventually there will be 4g everywhere.

And as for the 10 bucks. Well your just screwed there. If you dont like it. Go somewhere else. There are plenty of people who are willing to pay the 10 bucks. So you won't matter.
[EVO 4G General] Crotchety:
I tried that link with the info just for the hell of it and got the "Oops, unable to recognize..." error.
[EVO 4G General] shutupRoman:
does not work...
[EVO 4G General] devnulldroid:
Sounds like you might really want to buy an IPhone 4G and switch to AT&T.. Is that misleading to all the 4G ignorant people too?

Again, I say be and informed customer, know what you want/bought...Suck it up and Drive on.

My F250 with 7.3l diesel only gets 8 mpg when pulling 15k lb 40ft 5th wheeler...

Is it the trucks fault or the 5th wheels fault?

I was informed..made a choice and I knew what I was gettin into into when I bought em both.
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
My mistake, it's russ.s.mcguire@sprint.com

It was really late and I wasn't thinking.
[EVO 4G General] blkout01:
Off topic of thread so message me if you'd rather do that but if you already have the family plan set up how could I go about changing this since it would save me some money?

*when I first posted this it was working and I could view the plans but now it seems to not be working.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Omg! Verizon charging more for 4G? How dare those bastards!

http://androidandme.com/2010/11/car..._campaign=Feed:+androidandme+(Android+and+Me)
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
Someone was asking how we save so much money in a previous post so I posted this. I just tried logging into the site right now and it seems to work fine for me.

The only thing I'm disgruntled about is that the White Evo is no longer a Best-Buy exclusive. I'm on a SERO account which means I could only order a normal Black Evo and at the time it wasn't offered online. I prefer the smooth, glossy back of the white one to the rubbery back of the black one.
[EVO 4G General] Crotchety:
lol but then Verizon charges more for everything so there's no surprise here.
[EVO 4G General] Sirchuk:
To all those saying not to complain because you don't have 4G and all the tools available.

The Sprint tool shows in-home 4G access surrounding my house, and 4G Access "Outside" my house. However, I have zero 4G access, in, out and around. I called Sprint, and I was told that I was the exception, and that my house was in an un-documented dead zone and it was "tough luck." They may upgrade the tower in the future, but no idea if/when.

So, in other words, the "tools" available are not accurate. It's not 100% accurate, maybe 99%, but I'm in that whatever percentage that doesn't get coverage at my house when they said in store and online that I do have coverage.

Now then, do I give a ****? Nope, 4G sucks even in the areas that it's available. The battery usage of 4G is so high it's stupid. "Oh hey, I have 4G, for the 30-60 minutes before my phone goes dead."

Sure, I can download a file a few minutes faster at a cost of 3 times the battery life, not a worthwhile trade off in my opinion.

I went from a Hero to the EVO, and I won't go back, even with the $10 monthly fee, and I paid the full $450 out of pocket.
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
+1. I can't believe they said you can pay less for less speed and more consumption or pay more for more speed and less consumption. Thats just stupid.
[EVO 4G General] j.price:
How does one usethis for pre-existing customers?
[EVO 4G General] fastfed:
I am not putting aluminum foil around my phone preventing me from getting 4G!!!

I cannot believe you do not see the problem here.

Yes, WE ALL KNOW WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE 4G!!!

WE ARE MOSTLY ALL GEEKS WITH OUR PHONES!!

YES ITS CHEAPER THAN MANY OTHER COMPANIES, in terms of minutes,data and such.

The fact still remains.. SPRINT sold this phone based on customers getting 4G service..

I can name 10 other phones that you pay 10 dollars less a month, and have the same exact plan.

Give me 1 other phone besides the Evo and Epic that charge an additional 10 bucks..

Name 1 other phone that has 4G capability

we account for probably less than 1% of the people that bought these phones.. The rest of the people, call them idiots if you want, are dumb founded why they cannot get 4G..

I am not talking about people that live in the sticks either.. I am talking about people that live in very populated metropolitan area's..

I can show you 3 commercials that play every night, Sprint saying "What will you do with YOUR 4G"

"The first 4G phone"

The fact is, I called this months ago, there will be a lawsuit and I'll bet anything it DOES GO TO COURT, and they will settle and THINGS WILL CHANGE in the future..
[EVO 4G General] tgruendler:
Boo Freaking Hoo...The river of crying is flowing like the mighty mississippi here. You bought the phone, you had 30 days to test it, you kept it, you signed the contract, sounds like you are the idiot here.
[EVO 4G General] fastfed:
Yea, and so are the other THOUSANDS of people... And many many lawfirms looking to make a quick buck, BECAUSE WE'RE ALL IDIOTS!! LMAO!!

Hows it feel to be the minority pal
[EVO 4G General] uniquenameevo:
You got two things right.

1. Lawyers will make money.

2. Things will change.

Sadly, the things that will change will likely be for the worse.

Thanks in advance to all idiots assuming my plan gets worse.
[EVO 4G General] tgruendler:
It feels pretty damn good to be the smart one....thanks.
[EVO 4G General] Sirchuk:
Wasn't the explanation for the $10 fee not because of the 4G access, but because these are phones that you will more likely use the internet on much more than other phones? Regardless of 3G or 4G. I know I use the internet on mine more than I did on the Hero, and not on 4G.
[EVO 4G General] NewZJ:
logged in to my sprint account online and saw a usage trend link, when I had my hero I averaged 6 to 7gb/month, when got my evo in july it went up to 30gb and has been there ever since

the fee is for higher data use as they advertise, I am willing to pay it, even if 4g never comes to my area
[EVO 4G General] Sirchuk:
Huh, I figured I was using more on my plan. I viewed the usage and I'm actually, on average, down from what I was at prior to the EVO. Go figure.

Edit:

LOL...this is what they say on the Sprint site for the extra $10, most of it should have been included in the cost of the phone, not it's plan:

This phone can do it all and then some. Because we’ve boosted your data experience with this phone’s amazing services and features, you’ll need this add-on. Enjoy:

A wicked fast processor to make your apps run smoother and faster on our Sprint 3G and 4G network

Top quality media experience with oversized screen, high resolution video and HD recording

High-quality pics to snap and share with friends and family

I don't really care though, since I'm only paying like $65 a month after taxes and I've never gone over, so it's far better than any of the competition.
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
+1
[EVO 4G General] Last-Chance:
for the people that are complaining about the commercial, should watch it again and read the fine print that says something like "where 4g is available"...

/thread.
[EVO 4G General] Nefariouss:
And that same case was overturned on appeals.
[EVO 4G General] nolageek:
Is there a way to use this with an existing account?
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
Unless you're contract is finished, its very difficult.
[EVO 4G General] fastfed:
Fine print or not... the extra ten bucks is for 4g.. I dont care what it says... and anyone not believing that are the morons here... plus many of you are contradicting yourselves.. first you believe everything you read then the next sentence you say that the ten bucks is for the unlimited data and even though the other phones that say it. You're really not getting it... what a coincidence the only 2 phones that charge the ten bucks extra are 4g.compatible LOL.
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
There is a whole website dedicated to this $10 fee: http://explainthefee.com/

Here is a specific article on their 4G fee and proof that nobody over there knows what they're talking about. It's an article with an actual audio recording with a Sprint representative: http://explainthefee.com/2010/07/18/sprint-says-premium-data-is-for-shrimp-and-crab/

Sprint does not give any clear answer on what the $10 fee is for, other than you have to pay for it. Now, the obvious answer is to be on Clear's 4G network. Personally, I bought the phone for its features, not for 4G, and if I could choose to not pay the $10 a month for the 4G, I probably would. Unless I'm tethering, it's of no use to me. It rapes my battery hard. If it's also for the hardware like the website says it is, I don't think that's fair. Why do we have to continue to pay every month for our phones' hardware? I don't know any other company that "rents" out their phones like this (that's what it is!). If this is the case, then we paid $200 as a deposit and $120 a year (10 x 12) to rent the phones.

Proof of this is when you click log into your Sprint account, click Analyze on the right-hand sidebar and then click on Premium Data:

So if I don't pay for this, I won't get a 1GHz processor or high-resolution pictures or a 4.3-inch screen? It makes no sense. I'll continue to pay it because I have to in order to keep using my phone, but wtf Sprint?
[EVO 4G General] BrianDigital:
While I can afford the extra ten, but all their reasons are not applying to me, at work and at home Im on wifi and when Im out I am not nose deep on my phone. I mention this cause my monthly data does not go over a gig.

I wish they would role out a high end phone with out the 4g tax, or be alittle more upfront. Like saying this is going to be a new pricing structure here on out and not tied to services and assuming we are all going to use tons of data.
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
Go here and skip to 14:00

http://explainthefee.com/2010/07/18/sprint-says-premium-data-is-for-shrimp-and-crab/

This higherup says that the premium data fee is NOT associated with 4G whatsoever.
[EVO 4G General] Jbcarrera:
Ok let me start off by saying your an idiot! Car companies claim mpg's all day long and truth is not even 10% of people who buy cars get the rated mpg they get something close not that all depends on how the person drives the car. Sprint may advertise 4g everywhere but have you actually looked carefully at the commercials there is fine print that says 4G NOT AVAILIBLE EVERYWHERE. When you buy the phone they tell you once again 4G is not availible everywhere but the phone carries a $10 premium data fee. Sprint has thier butts covered when you sign a contract knowing very well that you may not have all the features readily availible to you because they made sure to let you know BEFORE you signed the contract then the only one you can blame is yourself. This is a contract issue not a we are ripping you off issue, contracts are legally binding and as such if this did go to court any smart and reasonable judge will throw it out. Plus some FYI in order to change the terms of a contract both parties must agree to new terms and sign another legally binding document stating the new terms
[EVO 4G General] shutupRoman:
where did you get that info from? honestly, i believe you made that up to make your argument sound better. Not that i can prove its wrong, but with lemon laws and advertising limitations i dont think this is accurate at all.

edit: this seems pretty solid. \/

http://www.epa.gov/fueleconomy/regulations.htm
[EVO 4G General] ElAguila:
If you bought the phone with bothering to see if you were in a 4G area then that is your fault. If you are one of the ones who bought it and are in a 4G area but still can't get 4G then you might have a right to complain.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
What a crybaby website... Its as dumb as dumb can get. All that website is, is a child complaining he doesn't have 4G but made an educated decision to purchase the phone and now doesn't want to pay
[EVO 4G General] Product F(RED):
Not at all. He wants to know what the fee is for. Plus if you don't want 4G you shouldn't have to pay. All they have to do is remove you from the allowed devices database. Either way, if you don't question things, you're the reason why companies are doing these things.
[EVO 4G General] fastfed:
Lmao you're so lost.. if you really believe car companies lie about what their cars get when it.comes to MPG.. you really believing that just makes me responding to you the "idiot" you think I am...

So 120 bucks a year is nothing to you.. question. What would it have to be for you to put your foot down? I mean maybe you have 4g available where you live/work and 120 a year is worth it.. but what's the price in your opinion where you will say enough is enough
[EVO 4G General] rejectedkid:
I think sprint should have expanded their 4g network much further than they did way before announcing the phones to be available. I knew my state would be last to get 4G (or perhaps never) but I had to have the phone. I do not like paying the extra 10. But I knew it was apart of the package. However I do believe Sprint can make it to where only paying customers can access 4G. I do believe this would be the right approach. Forcing everyone to pay for it when only 10% device owners are near those towers is quite frankly a joke. Sprint dangled these awesome phones infront of us knowing most of us will not be able to use that feature. What they saw was huge dollar signs. They knew everyone would buy them no matter what. I pay 20 a month for premium data that I unfortunately will never see in my state. But I was not going to downgrade my phone. I wanted the best. As for you people *****ing about people *****ing you are just as bad as the original *****er. I pay the fee because I love my phone.
[EVO 4G General] Jbcarrera:
Your right that is solid but i still stand by my statement why? because nobody almost nobody drives thier car like the car companies intended most people drive their cars by what car companies consider "Hard driving" so unless you drive like a grandma that can barely see then you are not getting the rated mpg you are getting something close. Before anyone says so your saying the car is incapable of getting the rated mpg? No i am saying the car is capable of it but we as human beings are not capable of driving exactly how the car was tested same with our phones they are capable of 4G but its not available everywhere. Don't belive me then try a little experiment everyone who has a new car that is reading this thread fill your car up find out how many gallons of fuel your vehicle can hold reset your trip oddometer and drive like you do everyday but don't fill up untill you have a blinking fuel light now most cars do this when there is anywhere between .5 gallons to 1gallon depending on what mfg. and model you have and how many gallons your tank is. Now take your trip milage and divide it by the number of gallons your tank holds minus what ever triggers your blinking fuel light, and tell me wether or not you are getting your rated mpg. I'm willing to bet that most of you who try this will say no i'm not, and now i'm way off topic but whatever i had to validate my point. Before anyone ask yes i'm a mechanic so i do know about engines and how to make them more fuel efficient.
[EVO 4G General] Jbcarrera:
your right i do live in a 4G area but i also researched all my options i'm on a family plan my wife and i have phones on the same plan with big V i would be paying a painful 230 a month for everything i have with sprint, with t-mo i would be paying about 190 but i would have a data cap and last month i used over t-mo's data cap and with att i would have a astronomical bill so i chose sprint and i knew of the 10 extra a month and I CHOSE/DECIDED to go with the evo no one pushed it on me i wanted the phone well before sprint even announced it i knew about this phone back in april. Even if i didn't have 4G here i would have gotten the phone, in reality 4G just opened up in the Orlando so we had the phone before 4G was availible and now miami, jacksonville, tampa, gainsville, and daytona has it in Florida so if people will be paitient and realize that sprint is leaseing 4G from Clear and not its own personal network then this wouldn't be an issue.

BTW: I wonder how many people realize that 3G isn't availible everywhere
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
These people will never realize that they have options. They will forever blame the company instead of their decision to purchase the phone.
[EVO 4G General] ghostboa:
Enough said.
[EVO 4G General] rejectedkid:
What options? To stay with medieval technology while others are enjoying the new toys. I think not. It should be an option to go 4g or not 4g. Like how everything else is if you do not have data and you use it you get charged. If you don't have it on your plan and don't use it you don't get charged. Same with texts. Sprint has the ability to control what options you have on your phone. They can stop you from accessing the internet, stop you from texting, and prevent you from calling. So they should be able to stop you from using 4g.
[EVO 4G General] pflatlyne:
Thats just ridiculous. They bought the phone KNOWING there was no 4g in their area,and they agreed to the 10 dollar fee KNOWING there was no 4g in their area. They are entitle to nothing.