yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ToddeSwe:
Answer from MCCM

He asked me to post this:

Wooo... they found me guilty . Just from the build.prop ! If this is the case all other dev. Also can found guilty by copy the buil.prop from Desire build when we found the prop can solved the green light issue. Just like we driving a car and we add it with car audio for more fun to drive, but this is wrong? What rules is this? I use mdj prop is just because I found the prop give the camcorder more stabilization.Thats doesn't prove I steel all his work.or any reason someone want to control the Android build on xda with only his work? I don't care now.Because I will continue my build here with htcpedia.Hope all of u here will support me .Untill now bye XDA fans.i will miss u all. Hope to see u here. We will together to build a stable and Daily used build here. We can do it!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] 4010:
Windows Mobile

I'm New here, and sorry if the question is sort of stupid... if I will run Android (MCCM SE V3.2 FroyoStone Sense) from my SD card, will it permanently replace the WINMO on my HD2?

And how can I get back to the Windows Mobile??

Thanks a lot
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ToddeSwe:
Nope you'll have your WinMo when you restart the device.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] xdabart:
The first post did mention:

Special thanks :

Cotulla - for making all this possible

hastarin (kernel)

snq (camera fix)

letama (ril wrapper for pppd)

gpc and m-jeey (camcorder fix)

All Dev Android HD2 community

All of u on HD2 Android build chat

Doubt remains....
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] supermantxz24:
I think this is a bunch of crap i already joined the other site to continue to follow him.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] sea_man:
Can you send me a MP whit the address ?

I will continue support and using this wonderful android rom !
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] xdabart:
MCCM...

I cannot seem to login to HTCPedia (damn, i said it) right now, so i would like to post this here:

Forgive me for the way I (a newbie) am questioning the decision here no offense, you can count on the Dutch and the Swedish to try the rules haha...

My message to MCCM:

You have a problem with your public image here, i think:

1) Your English is very bad, i have worked in Taiwan with brilliant engineers having the same problem, but a lot of people on the web will think less of you for this, learn English, faster and better !

2) Apologize me for saying so, in the way you communicate I do get the impression you are very young, release a stable 2.0 after just a few hours of testing then continue talking about your car, forgive me, i am just an old man....

3) The biggest problem I think, is the rate at which you were pushing out three different builds at the same time, getting better and better, how can a single person be doing all this, besides his daily job ? Unless maybe you have a few other students working on this with you in some Taipei dormitory ?

Maybe you need not run away if you can explain what you did and how. I'm still running your HD build tonight, i guess i'll try a russian one tomorrow, who cares...?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] egzthunder1:
the build.prop was not the only thing compared as stated by mccm. We compared every single one of the 1216 files in the rom, only to find that just 13 of them were different (including the build.prop and most of the others were google apps).
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] xdabart:
The others were:

Binary files ./M-deejay/system/framework/framework-res.apk and ./mccmjmoon/system/framework/framework-res.apk differ

Binary files ./M-deejay/system/lib/egl/libGLES_android.so and ./mccmjmoon/system/lib/egl/libGLES_android.so differ

Binary files ./M-deejay/system/lib/hw/lights.htcleo.so and ./mccmjmoon/system/lib/hw/lights.htcleo.so differ

Binary files ./M-deejay/system/lib/hw/lights.qsd8k.so and ./mccmjmoon/system/lib/hw/lights.qsd8k.so differ

Binary files ./M-deejay/system/lib/libaudioflinger.so and ./mccmjmoon/system/lib/libaudioflinger.so differ

Binary files ./M-deejay/system/lib/libaudio.so and ./mccmjmoon/system/lib/libaudio.so differ

Kernel related (Binary files ./M-deejay/system/lib/modules/bcm4329.ko and ./mccmjmoon/system/lib/modules/bcm4329.ko differ)

Kernel related (Binary files ./M-deejay/system/lib/modules/cifs.ko and ./mccmjmoon/system/lib/modules/cifs.ko differ)

Kernel related (Binary files ./M-deejay/system/lib/modules/tun.ko and ./mccmjmoon/system/lib/modules/tun.ko differ)

Binary files ./M-deejay/system/xbin/cssync and ./mccmjmoon/system/xbin/cssync differ

I love arguing with moderators, sorry....
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] denisse_24:
hi please giveme a link to ozdroid rom..everytime i download it inthe folder its just this file "CustomRUU"...butif i click there it ask me for a program to open it:S...how i have to flash that then?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] rafpigna:
Just to be clear, I'm not arguing or discussing your decision.. I'm just curious: did you tried to compare a build X with build Y ?

I think that if you do that, you will be surprised...

90% of the files are the same, in all builds of the same ROM (like Desire HD, or stock desire etc...)

Try it...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Rurph:
what is the point of such a public announcement? don't you think it would be more professional to sort this thing via PMs. you could simply send him the result of that criminal-ish investigation without the unnecessary publicity. like many others, i use his FroyoStone build and have tried to regularly follow him for any new updates. as a result, we now need to find him on another forum, since the person simply has left this forum for good.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Fox5.56:
He has givin thanks to plenty of people, and DarkStone has even thanked him for continuing it, I don't see what the problem is.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] zeeraxis:
At the end of the day its no one work everything is copied from different htc roms:D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Rurph:
they have examined his Desire HD build, not this one
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] renehd2:
Hey i found out that the way to have aN awesome good battery life is having a bootloader app in your wm Rom ... install it and do a reboot and then the app will let let you to choose between wm ROM and android Rom..choose Android and there you go!!.... you will have 4-8 mah in standby :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] lemonspeakers:
HONESTLY, EVEN IF HE HAD STOLE THE ROM FROM MDEEDAY, MCCM'S ACTUALLY TURNED OUT TO BE BETTER IN TERMS OF A STABLE ROM.

Where Can I find Mccm anyways? How can i follow him? I loved his work and concept to keep things original and clean.

Can anyone PM me the link to his desire HD rom V2?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] renehd2:
Its sad to know that people are jealous of mccmjoon becAuse much people are changing their builds for the mccmjoon's ones because all now that his builds are the best nowadays....

I support you man.. keep the hard work and never give up.. you have much people that are enjoying your builds and we won't let you alone (:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] yungtexas:
ive tried almost everyone of mccms builds and i must say they have all been great. out of all the posts and comments about this whole ordeal i think this comment has made the most sense...innocent or guilty there is a valid point here...3 builds...constantly with a job and a life outside of this. not saying hes guilty but its not a good look...still runnin the latest desire build...thanks
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] supermantxz24:
I think that doesnt even make a difference if the guy is talented he is talented dont hate on him. I race and tune cars with my laptop and i use to flash my car probably 30 times a day most people dont even do that in a month that tune vehicles and i had a full time job as well maybe he is a perfectionist and loves doing what he does i sure as hell love tuning cars and use to spend like 80% of my off period perfecting and finding ways to perfect my craft. maybe thats what he does you dont know what kind of person he is so why are you judging him. To me he seems like he loves to do this since he is on this site all the time and answers peoples questions more than most of the other developers but hey when people try to help others there is allways someone trying to hate.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] yungtexas:
you totally went off topic with irrelvant facts about your life...and im not hatin..like i stated ive been using his builds for the longest. i always axiously waited for the next greatest builds by him to hit xda. i give him all the props where its due but theres a reason for all this its not a plot nor an attack on someone who is just awesome at what he does...the proof was there...i dont think he knew or intentionally did anything with malicious intent...im going to continue to follow him and use his prodecut because his material simply works. anyways best of luck to you and the continuation of making the hd2 more like it should have been from day one
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] supermantxz24:
sorry i meant to quote the guy that you quoted lol and i didnt go off topic i was making a statement as to maybe he is dedicated to doing this and thats why he can work on different builds that was the point of what i was saying because some people work harder than others.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] bigben10687:
Is there a difference between the build released today versus the build released nov 16?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] aarons6:
someone please pm me the web address of the other forum.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] denisse_24:
it is at the first page in the second or third post i think ;)...yeees! he's the best ..analmost perfect build...is not a copy!!! go and send your stupid rules to hell
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] not2nys:
So, if that 1.06% of difference was all that was needed to make a slow, laggy build a stable, usable one, what is a dev supposed to do? PM the dev who can't get it right, and make suggestions that may or may not be implemented? Post a new build thread titled, "Massaged, usable build based on ThisDev's work?"

If he kanged M-deejay's build, that sucks. I get it. But, I think more harm was done closing the thread and killing the URLs than enforcing the rules in a more positive manner.

Lastly, if it was M-deejay that failed to first work it out with MCCM before *****ing to the mods, then that's just a hot mess of crybaby geekness.

/end rant

Proactively, there should be, then, some sort of peer review process. Alternatively, all builds should be compared and their diversities subsequently published.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ilovemeow:
DesireHD rom has been removed :(but.......

google it :
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] rafpigna:
If they do this, most of the builds here are to take down :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] niteowl360:
Can't understand how you start with your point 1) and then conclude that you're off to a Russian build!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] tonyc:
The only mistake I can think of is that he might had forgotten to notify MDEEDAY for using his built.... :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] confar:
a lot of off topic

this thread is for post about mccm 3.4

i you want to post about mccm hd 2.0 go to htcpedia
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] lilelf87:
I agree..he may have copied it but watever build he has copied he has made stable and usable with minimum problem...no offence MDJ is brilliant but he releases a billion builds and never completely 'complete' them and up till now not even 1 works without some problem or another..its either camera not working or data slow or teletubies flashing on the screen or something else...but then rules are rules...mccm made the mistake of not aknowledging mdj and this is the price to pay i guess...oh well...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Johnkhoo:
What a crap rules. I'm with mccm and mdj build for while now. As I know the mccm build is more stable than others . The reason u banned the Great chief is because he had other person similar build ? As I know to become a good chief u had to prepare the good ingredient to come out a good meal.if this bull **** rules still going on at xda site u never get a good meal . My opinion as moderator u had to neutral to solved this kind of situations. Pm the chief and he ignore u than u take action. If u are dev, I believe u know not easy to come out a stable build ,the time ,afford to put on the build along. And u won't happy this things happen to your self . Who did't make mistake we are human. He already start a new site for all his build . I will follow him . Bye for now Great Moderate. Remember rules is create by us. Just how u use it.. sorry for the long story.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] nicedude_abad:
I am trying to think this issue from a rational management perspective. I understand it is a copy and the see the point MDJ is making however instead of thinking the problems, I would like to think the solution:

(1) if MCCM gave credit to MDJ build now, will it not solve the problem?

(2) There are many users who are just jumping into the android custom ROMs, just by closing this thread we are not doing them a favour.

(3) Sometimes, that 1% tweak may be the thing which makes a ROM extremely stable (which this ROM is) and so where credit is due, it has to be given I suppose.

Overall, I think MCCM should put credits in the first post to MDJ and give a link to his builds and keep going. I believe MDJ should accept it and do one better in terms of stability what MCCM has achieved. Instead of creating this whole hoopla, we can get this sorted guys. Lets keep working to build a better ROM.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] NotATreoFan:
I have been monitoring this thread for some time now, and I can no longer stand by and see people bashing my fellow moderators. This thread was allowed to stay open because the discussion was civil, but don't think for a second that we will permit members to start bashing us because a long-standing rule is inconvenient for you.

The [OP] took the work of another dev, posted it as his own, and accepted donations for it. This is against the rules that everyone here agreed to upon registering. The rules were here before Android, and will be here long after. There is NEVER a valid excuse for stealing another person's work.

If the [OP] had in fact "fixed" everything that was wrong with the original ROM, the proper channel would have been for him to contact the original poster, inform him of the allegedly minor changes he made to fix the ROM, and then worked together to release a functioning ROM. If the original chef was not interested in releasing the new ROM, then permission could have been obtained to release the new ROM in it's current state, with all involved receiving thanks. If the [OP] had gone this route, the ROMs would still be here.

If that still failed, the [OP] could have then released a patch/update.zip to address the issues, which would have been perfectly acceptable since the patch would only modify/add to the existing ROM what is needed to stabilize it.

We never want to see people leave XDA for another site, but it is impossible to ignore the astonishing growth in "theft" of other people's work ever since Android came on the scene. With Windows Mobile, you cannot simply unzip a ROM and drag/drop changes. You actually need to have access to the raw files, and a kitchen that can put them all together in the correct manner.

Finally, to answer the accusation of this being a rash decision by the Moderators, we first received an RP for this on December 4th, and we investigated for 5 full days before acting.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] tonyc:
I would say this thread or any of MCCM Desire threads are "Dead" since he had already left here to Htcpedia.

If you want to post anything regarding MCCM HD 2.0 or 3.4, you should visit there instead... :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] theshiznet2004:
Hey there guys...please bare with me as I am very new to the whole Android on HD2 scene. Here's my problem...

I loaded and was using Darkstone 3.2 ROM and it worked great. Battery life was iffy so I decided to try the new 3.4. It didn't work when I loaded my data file so I decided to start from scratch.

All worked fine except for Internet on 3g or hspc....I went to configure TmobileUS APN and put in all the info...still nothing works. I noticed though that when I save the APN it doesn't save....

Any help will be very much appreciated.

Thanks,

J
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Rurph:
on what basis are you planning to close this thread? his Desire HD build on another thread has been examined and it has nothing to do with the build on this thread. yes, i understand that some users make very strong statements, but i don't think it is a sufficient reason to close this thread.

Given that the moderators are so eager that the rules are complied with, would it be possible if every build is examined before it is posted? Also, to ensure fairness and to avoid that some users are being singled out, would it be possible that every single android build made for HD2 on XDA is examined and the results are made known to public?

cheers
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] egzthunder1:
Very interesting points that you are making. The issue is that the 1% difference is not making the rom more stable as those files changed are in no way related to the stability issues that MDJ's rom may have. I sincerely appreciate your points as you are making your comments based on our rules (basically, you are not just spewing baseless comments).

The rule quoted above is cut and dry. Think of it as getting a speeding ticket. You knew that the speed limit was X but either consciously or unconsciously you went X+10 and you get puled over by a cop. You broke traffic rules and you get punished for it. It is the same story here. What made things worse is that even after my original post in his thread that the links were removed during the investigation, he took it upon himself to post links all over the place for his build one more time. Again, no one is above the laws, and he is no exception.

Thanks for your comment.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] NotATreoFan:
The thread will only be closed if it trails off topic. If people using the ROM want to support each other, that is fine. But now that the [OP] has decided to leave XDA, there cannot be any links provided to the new thread on another forum.

We do not proactively analyze ROMs to see if they are infringing on another. In the handful of cases where this has been done, it was in response to a complaint.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] egzthunder1:
To add to NotATreoFan, and to answer your question, we don't have the resources nor the time available to do such work. We respond to accusations but I hope you realize that this site has over 3MM members (over 12000 at any given time of the day) and thousands of threads with roms being posted every hour... what you are asking is the equivalent of asking a police department to search every house in a metropolis to assess the possibility that its citizens will not commit a crime...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] STORMBRINGER2020:
Without rules there is chaos....
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] xenept:
And the law is an ass... hehe

Does this mean that this particular ROM (rather than the HD one) is no longer going to be updated by MCCM? If so, that's a travesty.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] lilelf87:
alrite guys i tink no point for us posting and argueing with the mods...their decision is final...its like sitting for an exam and then coming out regretting to have done something differently..mccm mad his mistakes nothing he can do abt it..nothing we can do abt it..he will update his roms @ another place. Pm me or any other user for the link if you want. I strongly suggest mods close MCCM threads. As you said OP aint here...wats the point...lets save u some trouble.

Remember guys there are many other chefs, some not as petty as *ahem*, here working hard to provide us with roms...lets move on from this and support those who are still with us :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] xenept:
Ok, great news. mccmjoon is continuing this fantastic build on another forum.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] theshiznet2004:
I know I'm just a rook here without any say whatsoever....but it's a shame that this build won't be continued on this site. Hell...I don't even know what the developer did or said....I know it was discontinued and then reopened and I'm so glad he did...

I've learned alot by both threads...Darkstone and this one and hope to continue....

Guess I'll have to follow the thread on the other site...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] d34thd34l3r:
open source

We all have to remember that these are builds based on android roms not created by either of these devs. All of the beautiful animations and inner workings of the OS we are using are all based on somebody else's work. If you use an open source piece of software such as the android 2.2 platform you are allowed to do as much work as you want on it and release your own version on it, even name it as you like. But it retains the same open source license and anyone else may change it as they see fit. Even if you only change one line of code you can make it your own version. The reason for this is so that we can be free to change code as we see fit in order for it to make it work better or even just to make it more enjoyable for us. Why go through all this trouble when all Mccm was was just another dev putting in his share to make something happen which we all have been working on and waiting for.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] masondoctorjt:
Yeah, that's what I thought too. Apparently, open source doesn't mean what we think it means.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] nicedude_abad:
I understand your point. If that 1% is not making substantial difference then I guess it moves from the area of 'improvement' to 'cheating'.

There are two other issues evolving also:

1. Maturity of OPs. I am not sure if MDJ actually sent MCCM pms to resolve the issue and what happened there. If there were PMs and they were ignored that's bad on MCCM's part.

2. Overall, MCCM has shown high level of immaturity in all his communications after the inquiry was announced. The issue could have resolved amicably with a PM between MDJ and MCCM.

I can see how the moderation committee has taken the decision and how it was still ready to accept the mistakes made by MCCM. To me, the process has been quite transparent once the moderator has explained (a) the issue; (b) the process; and (c) the basis for the outcome.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] leepriestenator:
Ok guys. Time to wrap this up. Every possible argument has been made and we have done our best to be completely transparent with the community. These decisions are not made lightly. Everything is scrutinized and assessed before a final decision is made. We've discussed this at length with everyone to the best of our abilities and after 2 days of it the line is being drawn here.

As NATF stated, you are free to help each other out and disucss the rom even though it is no longer available here. Any off-topic posts will be removed going forward.

CASE CLOSED

COURT IS ADJOURNED!