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[Nexus One General] whoisthedrizzle:
How many times have they explicitly stated N1 will be the first to get future updates. Not once has there even been any indication otherwise. Samsung hasn't even pushed 2.2 to the majority of it's devices, I highly doubt a jump from 2.1 - 2.3 in the next two weeks.
[Nexus One General] uansari1:
You're the second person to say two weeks. He said two to three weeks.
[Nexus One General] pwig:
How hard is it for these idiots to put a pentaband in these phones? Seriously.
[Nexus One General] Teeceman:
Fair point, well presented :D
[Nexus One General] msavic6:
well the nexus one is 8 months old... and the nexus s has better hardware then our n1.
[Nexus One General] xtop:
only quote i saw was next few weeks
[Nexus One General] AbsoluteDesignz:
what does any of that have to do with the N1 not getting an OTA? it is STILL the dev phone...
[Nexus One General] seeking:
the nexus one is 11.5 months old...its about time for a new phone
[Nexus One General] tomedic:
I'm going to assume that since this is an official mention of Gingerbread and this phone that it will (hopefully) have truly new specs over today's "upgrades".

Considering the N1 has essentially set the bar in specs since January and phones since haven't been THAT much more impressive (stock) on a day to day level.

Things I hope it will have...

- 1.2 GHz single core or X dual-core.

- 512 MB RAM (The Desire HD has what 768?, but I assume this will have 512)

- 4" screen (it doesn't look like a 4.3 in the pic which is fine, but I'd prefer over 3.7)

- LED NOTIFICATION LIGHT! I don't believe other Galaxy S phones have this (which I can't stand). I would love if the light was large, multi-coloured, and could pulse like the N1 (with TA).

- Touch and capacitive button fixes. I assume this will be done, and to me is only a very minor annoyance with the N1.

- Now I like HTC's general build quality over Samsung's, but I do use a case (Casemate gelli) on my N1 and would on a Sammy as well (if I had one).

Build aside, if it has a faster/better processor, bigger screen, and the screen/button fixes I'd get it. This looks to be the horse Google is going with for the next round and I'm ready to get on (when it comes to Rogers/AT&T bands :mad:)
[Nexus One General] Tullsy:
Actually, the Nexus One should get Gbread first... I don't know how you got that out of what was said.
[Nexus One General] HcMAX:
Nope....Plastic its not for me.....a device like Galaxy S with Gingerbread.....I still prefer my N1 with the updated 2.3...

the feel of cheap plastic its not for us....
[Nexus One General] SoberGuy:
How many phones, aside from the N1, are not 100% plastic? I'm just curious here, because I love my N1 and have the same hesitations.
[Nexus One General] irishrally:
Is it Gingerbread and Nexus S in a few weeks or Gingerbread in a few weeks and everyone is assuming the release of Gingerbread will be on the Nexus S?
[Nexus One General] Teeceman:
+1

I have the same reservations but am going to reserve judgement until we can see the phone in the flesh. Not as Samsung phone fan if I'm honest but will wait and see.
[Nexus One General] smachine:
If this is supposed to be the flagship android device which all 2011 devices will be based off of then it has to have an orion cpu. Hummingbird vs snapdragon is not a big leap in terms of real life performance.
[Nexus One General] WickedStyx:
Disagree strongly when it comes to GPU.
[Nexus One General] going_home:
HSPA+ ?

I dont see the point in them releasing a new Nexus if it doesnt have HSPA+ .

Its not going to go over well with the geeks .

I will just snag a cheap G2 off Craigslist instead.

They've already started popping up at around $300.00.

:rolleyes:
[Nexus One General] r0bby666:
Thats right, the adreno 205 is way better. It comes with flash acceleration.
[Nexus One General] WickedStyx:
Well the Adreno 205 isn't in the N1. I guess if you're saying that Hummingbird is not a big step up from new HTC phones like the G2 and Desire HD that would be true.
[Nexus One General] msavic6:
And why is the nexus one gpu so bad? I have played pocket legends, need for speed, skies of glory on my n1 without any lag or problems.
[Nexus One General] gravufo:
Dunno about these games but try playing Hero of Sparta or Dungeon Hunter or even Asphalt...it isn't very bad lag but it lags. Still playable though, but other devices can run them much better
[Nexus One General] SoberGuy:
Doesn't Sammy also support a wider array of video codecs? That's a big advantage in my personal view.

I just want it on AT&T. Then I can actually give it consideration.

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[Nexus One General] tehgeekguy:
I'm in the same boat... I'll be more interested when they say it supports AT&T 3G bands. I had no problem paying the extra $ to get my N1 direct from Google, so if there's a way to buy an AT&T 3G supported Nexus S (or whatever they're going to call it), I have no problem with that!
[Nexus One General] SoberGuy:
I checked FCC filings today and neither the i9020 nor the i9020T support UMTS II. Sucks because the TMO Galaxy does.

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[Nexus One General] rodeo2:
Frankly speaking, it doesn't look attractive. Way too much rounded corners for my liking.
[Nexus One General] greenstuffs:
It sure is a nice phone but not enough reasons to upgrade, i really like HTC when i had to send my phone for warranty, can't say the same about samsung.

I want something like Dual Core, higher screen resolution and more geebees. I mean jumping from N1 to a SGS like device is like going from Q6600 to Q9550 not too big of a difference.
[Nexus One General] descendency:
And like getting a much better GPU. The GPU on the die is significantly better. Gaming should be lag free into the next year at least, if not 2-3.
[Nexus One General] Jack_R1:
There is not a single Android phone on the market which doesn't have the GPU embedded. I don't think there is a mobile chipset in existence which relies on external GPU. It gets annoying to read such "smart" comments.
[Nexus One General] sstang2006:
for all of you asking for what was really said, here is the actual video so get the real story.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/16/nexus-s-teaser-by-eric-schmidt-now-available-on-video/
[Nexus One General] hommiedaklown:
Why oh Why did they drop HTC?
[Nexus One General] onesavior:
The tap and pay feature will be nice, other country's have been doing similar things on their phones for awhile...
[Nexus One General] hmarcus:
My guess is november 23. For 2.3, and it's right in time for thanksgiving to enjoy over the weekend.
[Nexus One General] Teeceman:
Good theory, but the rest of the world doesn't celebrate Thanksgiving :D
[Nexus One General] drive2droad:
I suppose NOV 23 could be the date , conspiracy theory though
[Nexus One General] player911:
For some reason I just can't get excited about this. Seems to be one step forward and 2 steps back. I think the design is ugly and boring. While the internals are a step in the right direction, it is hardly worth upgrading my Nexus One to.

I think Nexus One + Gingerbread > Nexus S
[Nexus One General] Rusty!:
Hopefully a dev build or two will appear much sooner than the full release, like FRF50/72/83 did.
[Nexus One General] pfmiller:
He didn't say anything about external GPUs, I assume he was talking about the particular GPU on this die compared to the GPUs embedded on other CPUs.

Google does. What the rest of the world does isn't really important.
[Nexus One General] Teeceman:
I think you'll find that Google does find what the rest of the world does as important even if you don't.
[Nexus One General] krumb:
hence those Boxer Day references on the google main page on 12/26 every year...

or, the Ramadan references...

:rolleyes:

guaranteed, there will be a reference to turkey day on the google page on 11/25...

you = fail
[Nexus One General] smachine:
I had tried asphalt also and it lagged so i googled around a bit. Its because the original game isnt optomized for snapdragons. So code optimization was the issue not the weakness of the Adreno 200.
[Nexus One General] Award Tour:
Nova is choppier on the Adreno 200; and anyway it's not really about now but more of what's up coming. In mid-2011, the Galaxy S and newer Droids stepped up the GPU level in Android and things are starting to heat up even more. By the numbers, the Adreno 200 is about twice as slow as most of the newer Droids (PowerVR SGX535, I think) and is three to four times as as the PowerVR SGX540 in the SGS. If the Nexus S does indeed have the Orion chip then you're looking at a dual core CPU that outperforms the Snapdragon with a single core (let alone two), is a little more power efficient (45nm), and that has a GPU that'll be 2-5 times faster than a chip that is already 4 times faster than the Adreno 200. Things have stepped up significantly.

I've noted this before but it's not only about games but also about future hardware acceleration of Android. I don't know if Google just isn't good at it this but the Nexus One and other Adreno 200 powered Android phones tend to get choppy when doing graphic heavy stuff like complex live wallpapers or even when using the 3D gallery app. I don't know if 2.3 will bring more of that into the overall OS, but if it does, the Adreno 200 just hasn't faired as well as some of the newer GPUs.

I don't get it either. Most WP7 phones run significantly smoother and with more animation, yet they almost all use the same first gen Snapdragon with the Adreno 200. Who knows? Maybe the 3D gallery app is not a good representation of hardware acceleration on Android? Or maybe it's something dealing with Android itself or the foundation it runs on? I don't know. Either way, I'd rather irk on the safe side going forward and get something with a better GPU. And lets face it, the Adreno 200 has always been... not impressive. Even the original Droid had a better GPU.
[Nexus One General] gravufo:
Ah it's quite possible really...but to be honest, I was playing angry birds (free versions) and while the ad appears, the game lags (a bit but still) and as soon as it's gone, it doesn't lag anymore...and that's not even a 3D game lol

But again it all depends on optimization...programmers are probably too lazy ^^
[Nexus One General] Teeceman:
haha sure... dork :D

Moving along, I hope 2.3 drops soon so that we can get a real taste of Gingerbread on our Nexus One's and get past all the speculation.
[Nexus One General] :
HTC is probably sitting on a mountain on money and hasn't begun their next development cycle early enough for G's timeframe.
[Nexus One General] onesavior:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/1...-suggesting-imminent-gingerbread-sdk-release/
[Nexus One General] hks18psigst:
I feel a leak coming.. I'm crossing my fingers.. but hoping for the best. Lol :D
[Nexus One General] going_home:
Too bad too.

Taking a day to reflect on what you are thankful for is not a bad thing.

And could you ask for any more than getting a national holiday to do it on ?

;)
[Nexus One General] Old MuckenMire:
oh pot calling kettle....and the kettle is right, btw. There WILL be a Thanksgiving Day reference.
[Nexus One General] ericc191:
I'll probably get this phone. I'm not too sure about the concave screen and the plastic exterior, but that does not mean its build quality suffers. I can't recall hearing much about Galaxy S phones breaking/ect. Build quality goes beyond a "plastic exterior." I would like a better camera, a better speaker, better multi-touch, better capacitive buttons. The bad camera and speaker plague just about every HTC device out there. I recently returned my T-Mobile G2 because it was just the last straw for me. Yes, it looked beautiful with that soft touch material and aluminum. Sadly, once again, the camera/video quality was absolutely terrible and the loud speaker would pop and crackle at max volume. The new "hinge" mechanism kept opening in my pocket. That to me is bad build quality.

All that said, the Nexus One is one of the prettiest phones they have ever designed.
[Nexus One General] SoberGuy:
Totally agree. I've had my issues with HTC phones, which you covered most of. Lack of decent video drivers on the Kaiser and limited video file support would be added to my list. I love my Nexy, though.

My Captivate feels cheap. It holds up well and is pretty nice. Actually, I like the hardware better on the Captivate, but prefer the feel and size of my N1.

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[Nexus One General] kolyan:
Yeah, I have to say, overall Galaxy S quality is better then Nexus. Its not just about the looks
[Nexus One General] SoberGuy:
To me, all around, I'd call it even. The Galaxy has hardware advantages, the N1 has build quality and first updates. The Nexus S and/or Orion has massive hardware advantages when you consider dual core and SAMOLED2. If it finds UMTS II bands I might have to try it out. Don't think I'll sell Nexy though.

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[Nexus One General] Teeceman:
Couldn't agree more.
[Nexus One General] ChongoDroid:
I think I might really like it guys... its pretty sick. I don't usually like black n shiny but its curvy and pretty slick. Hmm
[Nexus One General] gibosn6594:
We are still talking about phones, right?
[Nexus One General] deeren:
one thing: i am happy google chose samsung this year. i didnt like the galaxy s for its crappy software n lag. although the device has a mediocre casing, it does have excellent internals ( which is what matters!!!!) . what's the use of having a phone with excellent housing outside but cheap components inside??

really pissed with htc now, first the nexus : i had a power button failure and couldnt get it fixed cause the phone was bought on ebay; and it didnt have warranty and had unlocked bootloader. i sold it less than half th price i bought it for. got the desire, and after a month, the frequent reboots and i had to get the motherboard replaced!

let alone the multitouch,snapdragon v/s hummingbird..... even sound quality and camera(even without flash) is better on the galaxy.
[Nexus One General] xzr3b0rnzx:
I will buy it.. Its the next google dev phone.. most dev will eventually move to that phone
[Nexus One General] -A-P-M-:
Me too. And I like a new design. Also Samsung's weak point is SW, while HW is very good, so Google's SW + Samsung's HW will probably be good combination.
[Nexus One General] Matterhorn:
Yeah, I think I'll buy it. I always slip on a tough silicon plastic cover on my phones anyway so I don't care about the cheap looking piano black case of the Nexus S.
[Nexus One General] :
I can only assume the feel of the phone is gonna be nice consider it was probably hand picked by smicht and the rest of the top level people at google.

The concave screen is ingenious btw, it'll reduce "palm touch" as well as increasing precision to the opposite edges of your thumb. Looking at the placement of samsungs power buttons (right side) it's a million times better than the top of the phone. I think this phone will be all about ergonomics.
[Nexus One General] xManMythLegend:
Someone explain the concave part ?

Also the lack of trackball is frustrating...the likleyhood theres no notification LEDs will be mind numbing.

Outside of that it looks like a great phone.
[Nexus One General] Rusty!:
Indeed, this is going to be a big issue for some (myself included).
[Nexus One General] :
Rumors are milling around that after they announce the nexus s there won't be a nexus three in 2012.

Seperate rumors say that in 2012 eric smicht will introduce the nexus tree made entirely out of balsa wood.

"We said there woudn't be a nexus

three

"
[Nexus One General] Mokurex:
LOL, damn you're hilarious!
[Nexus One General] Kubernetes:
I don't get the complaints about the phone being plastic. The Nexus One has lots of plastic too. One thing that cracks me up is that people crave metal housings and then spend money buying protective plastic or rubber covers. At least with my Vibrant I don't need a case because a replacement battery cover is cheaper than any case.

Plastic is fine so long as it's built to tight specs.
[Nexus One General] teknoraver:
I have received this email from google, maybe thursday is really the G-day

"We plan to perform maintenance on the Android Market Developer Console starting at 10PM on THURSDAY 18 November and ending by 4AM FRIDAY 19 November 2010, Pacific Standard Time."
[Nexus One General] danger-rat:
For the lack of trackball notification, you could always resort to the charging LED notification. Not as visible, but better than nothing...
[Nexus One General] :
I think everyone is forgetting about the pico projector for notifications.....
[Nexus One General] RambJoe:
What about the touch buttons on the front being the notification light? That's what it's like on my Galaxy S with BLN.
[Nexus One General] dharani1234:
How would be a screen flicker for a notification ?
[Nexus One General] khaytsus:
While we're adding features that don't exist..

I'll use my holographic projector for notifications.
[Nexus One General] xManMythLegend:
Better than nothing but limited in color and barely noticeable.

Is there vid of this ? Seems like it would be far too dim. Charge LED seems more reasonable.

It would be nice if only certain pixels can be turned on. That way you can have a colored number blink on the screen for notofication.
[Nexus One General] Award Tour:
This.

I'm not sure how feasible this actually is but AMOLED displays don't have a back light, right? The sub pixels themselves are supposed to illuminate.
[Nexus One General] kolyan:
Been done already
[Nexus One General] jasrups:
There is nothing wrong with plastic as long as it's sturdy and doesn't cause the phone to creak. If this is truly the Nexus successor I'm sure it will have a good feel, and hopefully it has a good weight to it as well (I hate super light phones, they feel cheaper). Most people will be putting a case over it anyways so this is all moot really.

All that said, it's still not a big enough performance increase for me to justify giving up my N1. Not worth the money to me at this point.
[Nexus One General] ericc191:
Well it still is in development and testing. They already scrapped it once to make it better due to concerns of it not feeling like a true jump in technology by the testers. I'm trying to be as optimistic as possible. If this truly is meant to replace the N1, I hope Google does what's necessary to accomplish that goal.
[Nexus One General] tameracingdriver:
Hmm that sounds like bollocks to me. When I had my sgs a battery cover was over £15 whereas I could get a case for £5 or less (both eBay). Still I didn't bother with a case but it ended up scratched to bits.
[Nexus One General] nitrox1:
Could be carbon fiber ;-)

Sent from the 25th century.
[Nexus One General] elmerendeiro:
Never put a case on my nexus and it looks just like new, no scratches
[Nexus One General] xzr3b0rnzx:
Never put a case on my 7.5 months old nexus .. logos of google and htc are fading away.. and the cover starts to turn darker and darker... the trackball turning black soon... looks like i need a buffing machine
[Nexus One General] Markdental:
This should work..... Buffer. And it comes with a free stripper!!!
[Nexus One General] Award Tour:
How so?

The Adreno 200 GPU is absolutely obsolete and has been for a long time. Lets assume that Samsung uses a higher clocked Hummingbird; the CPU will be more power efficient and speedier because of the build (45nm), clock speed (1.2 GHz, probably) and similar build (A8). Yes, not major but then throw in the GPU - it absolutely rocks the Adreno 200 and it's not even close @ 4x the performance.

But what if they go with the Orion chip? It's possible, and if it they do, it would absolutely destroy anything in sight. Versus the first gen Snapdragon it's A8 vs A9, one core vs two cores, 65nm vs 45nm, Adreno 200 vs Mali 400 (8-20x more powerful). It destroys the Tegra 2 GPU wise and competes similarly with the CPU (dual core A9 vs dual core A9). Versus Qualcomm (HTC) it's not even close; their dual cores for 2011 are A8 based and GPU-wise will probably not be able to reach the Mali 400. TI will use dual core A9's + PowerVR SGX 540 so the GPU (same as the Hummingbird) will be past gen compared to the Mali 400. Simply put, the Orion will be the chip to have in 2011 and it might come as early as Dec-Jan via the Nexus S.

Some other things: It has a FFC - not important? Wait until Google releases video chat for mobile Gmail/talk and tell me the same thing then. Much, much better camera sensors - HTC is lacking in this category and the Nexus One was/is no exception. Internal storage - 512 MB in 2011? The SGS had up to 16GB and I fully expect the Nexus S to have at least 8GB. I also wouldn't be surprised to see 768 MB of RAM on board.

The build has been hated but what about the curved 4" Super AMOLED (2?) display? The ergonomic shape?
[Nexus One General] elmerendeiro:
I only wish all that goodness was true...and in ****ing aluminium...come on...if you could choose, who would go for glossy plastic???

And CPU-GPU wise, you don't need all that advantage compared to other dual cores...as long as you have a new gen dual core you'll be ok....because programmers and software houses are not going to create super games that run only on a little number of devices

If nexus s will instead ship with "old" hummingbird...shame
[Nexus One General] Lord_Buckington:
I would love that to be true! There's still so much we don't know about this device :D
[Nexus One General] tameracingdriver:
It'll have to, since the SGS with "512 Mb" of RAM actually only had ~ 300 Mb available to use.

A working Galaxy S with more RAM and a few other subtle increases in performance here and there would indeed be an upgrade.

Mind you what does make me laugh are the Galaxy S owners, many of whom don't even have 2.2 yet, bragging they'll get 2.3 before anyone else, when in fact there will be enough subtle differences between this and the SGS to ensure it won't be a straight port.
[Nexus One General] ap3604:
Just a theory but I assume since Google said they don't want to sell phones anymore and closed the webstore that the Nexus S is going to be sold at T-mobile stores?

Does this mean that T-mobile will have the imei #'s and will block the Nexus S from using the $10 web2go? :(

I remember when I popped my sim card into my friends vibrant to try out T-mobile blocked me from using the internet within an hour since they had every vibrants imei # already in their system.

If so there's no chance that I get the Nexus S since this is the absolute BEST feature of the Nexus One!
[Nexus One General] :
Pretty sure the S is destined to be sold at best buy and not at carrier's stores.
[Nexus One General] ap3604:
Your a wise man JC. Thanks for responding I didn't even think about that option :)
[Nexus One General] xManMythLegend:
Wont many of us be wondering what the Unsubsidized price will be ?

On the bright side it at least isnt being hyped as the phone that will rock the mobile industry.
[Nexus One General] Lord_Buckington:
Wouldn't it be in the Nexus One price range, $530? Alternatively it could be in the Galaxy S price range, which is £420 unsubsidised here in the UK, which is about $670.
[Nexus One General] xManMythLegend:
Thats what Im afraid.

Here its 599 list price+ TAX.

I barely thought the N1 was worth it and that was a monumental jump over my G1. Not sure this would be worth it unless I sell the N1 for close to what I paid.
[Nexus One General] irishrally:
The resale value of the N1 is still holding fairly strong. I just don't know if I got the Nexus S I would want to give up the N1. Hell, I still have my ADP1. That will definitely have to go if I get the Nexus S.

What do you guys think about all this Galaxy 2 talk (i9100) http://www.gizmocrunch.com/rumors/4036-samsung-orion-nexus-s-galaxy-2

It sounds like the i9100 does have a dual core processor so I really hope they are right that the Nexus S and the Galaxy 2 are the same phone except one will be the Google Vanilla Android phone and the other will be the Samsung variant with touchwiz.

I already want the Nexus S but if it has a dual core processor, it's a no-brainer.