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[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Sab3r One:
Haha. I used to be that way too, and exclusively used Fresh. But when I had 4G, I rarely used it. I really only need it when I want to tether. I have my old Fresh setup nandroided specifically for 4G. Problem solved.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jbcarrera:
Correct HTC hasn't released the source code yet. Those kernels are just released so they will hold those for a little while.

Sent from the edge of hell
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zhensley:
Was this entire post meant to be the title? Otherwise, why on earth is every word capitalized, and how can you stand to type like that?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GadgetMonger:
003 hardware here. 3.30 turned my battery life to crap. Back to 3.29 and all is well.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chino331:
I'm running the Sprint Lovers ROM 3.30.651.3 on my Evo - version 002. I'm using Netarchy's 4.2.1 CFS Less Aggressive kernel and my battery life is awesome.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dee-vious_dee:
Can people who post where they have the crappy battery life post what ROM they are using same with the good battery drains too. It seems to me MAYBE it is just a couple ROMs that aren't put together right. I went to the Sprint Lovers and am going to try that for a bit, I also have HTC Advance Tech support looking into this issue for me.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] k2buckley:
I am using myns rls 3, and HTC #17. Been on this setup for about a week I think. Best battery life I've gotten on my evo, and smooth and fast as well. Works excellent on my evo. I have hardware 0003, I got my phone 2 weeks after launch.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tx_dbs_tx:
I have a question for whoever has a good educated answer. Will flashing the 3.30.651.2 or .3 roms on an EVO with hardware version 0002 or 0003 have any negative affects since the camera chips are actually different from the 0004 hardware EVO's? Will my 0003 EVO's camera function properly with the 3.30.651.2 or .3 rom even though the roms were made for the different camera chips in the 0004 EVO's?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dee-vious_dee:
No it won't if your phone will not accept the update it won't install. I am starting to learn a ROM has alot of where your battery life. I am learning what one ROM makes claims the difference in the hardware is messing up the phones battery life. I was running the Omega ROMs cause I liked alot he had in them but he is putting his ROMs together wrong. Cause his Omega ROM is one that killed my battery.

I have been Running the Sprint Lovers ROM over night and my battery is at 90% right now and that is 8 hours off the charger.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jbcarrera:
I ran the omega rom and had battery problems too Ricsim made the new azreal and i'm on that and my battery life improved significantly, these phones are like computers you can't just run anything on them you have to have the right drivers for the right components otherwise there are ill effects. Example you can't just throw any ram in to your pc you have to find the compatible ram for your system otherwise you will have crashes.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dee-vious_dee:
So why don't you explain to me the difference.... I DID run the Omega ROM and my bettery life was not even 8 hours just stand by, which was made to be with the new update, and now I am using Sprint Lovers ROM and on stand by !'ve only used 10% the battery life. And it is on the same update and my hardware version is 0003. A little switch in the hardware version, doesn't change the phone. If it did there are so far 4 different hardware versions out there, so The ROM should not work for everyone. What your saying it Every ROM should only work on one hardware version. The EVO is still the EVO no matted what Hardware version you have. If the hardware changed that much they would call it the EVO2 EVO3 EVO4 (for example) HTC has comfirmed to me if your phone claims there is an unpdate it made for your phone it works with your phone. Anytime there is a MAJOR CHANGING upgrade on the hardware they will change the name of the phone.

I understand what you are saying but I have seen NUMEROUS other people running othe ROMs on this update using other ROMs and their bettery life kicks ass. Even on hardware version 2. So yes it is the ROM and how people cook the ROM.

I give credit to anyone who creates a ROM, but there is so much more than taking a couple files and making the ROM work right, You need to know what everything you putting into the ROM is gonna work with other things.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nrap:
me too.

looking for a root method for this new ota. the one click with unrevoked thread says "new evos wont work 11.16.10"
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ricsim78:
Umm excuse me?

I am putting my ROMS together wrong.

Not even going to respond to that one :rolleyes:
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jbcarrera:
+1000

Sent from my Evo at the edge of hell
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ricsim78:
You would think the guy would see just from posts here that people are having good experiences and bad experiences with the new OTA, and that would convince him that all Evo's react different?

You would think...
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jbcarrera:
You just can't reason with some people really

Sent from my Evo at the edge of hell
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dee-vious_dee:
So funny how he says this and says that!!! Then he does what he says he won't do. I am only stating my experience, I am USING the #17 kernel and my BATTERY is ALOT better on Sprint Lovers Than on your Omega ROM. There are quite a few people using the newest ROM and the NEWEST Kernel and are having good with it. I did use your NEWEST Omega ROM with the #10 kernel where BEFORE the latest update worked AWESUM for me. So you tell me why is there such a difference in battery drain with your NEWEST Omega ROM on an OLD KERNEL. Can't be just a kernal thing. Not saying I am able to create a ROM I am sure it is kinda hard, but seems like with the number of ROMs out there now days, ANY TOM **** AND HARRY is cooking them up. And I have talked to HTC and they have confirmed it doesn't mean anything.

So get your panties out of a bunch. I noticed the issue there are alos other people who have posted the problem with your ROM and have gone back to your old version ROM!
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jbcarrera:
There really is no reasoning with you is there? Prime example you are getting great battery life with sprint lovers thats awsome i'm not i can't get it to last more than 7 hrs. kills my battery. My phone mfg. date 8/23/10 hw version 0003 Hboot .79. so you tell me now do phones react differently to different roms or am i imagining a 7hr. battery life while i was SLEEPING!!!! stop assuming you know everything
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dee-vious_dee:
Well I get anywhere from 16 to 30 hours of battery life. on hardware version 3 and my phone was manufacutred March 10th
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] willy900wonka:
You bet each individual evo is unique.

Ok before this thread digresses any more, let me interject that indeed each phone is unique. That is due to each individual component being unique, and there are many. They are all within the range of function so as to qualify as being functional to their specification range, but still unique.

So if each component is unique and a combination of uniqueness results in functional blocks ie, clock, voltage regulation, radio s..

THEN you can see that each phone is different. A bell curve probably describes the performance of these untuned circuits best. Most are with in the average with a few out side.

Older analog circuits were all tuned to compensate for their differences. Today even within a block of silicon ( a chip) there can be large differences and yet the overall electrical results meet the specifications, but there are no tuning points except for software.

As os's get more tailored they are more prone to the fringe affects.

So WTF cool it.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SpyderPalo:
Hey Dee...

Here is where you MISSED the info/memo... "I did use your NEWEST Omega ROM with the #10 kernel where BEFORE the latest update worked AWESUM for me. So you tell me why is there such a difference in battery drain with your NEWEST Omega ROM on an OLD KERNEL. Can't be just a kernal thing."

It's a hardware thing!!! some don't do well on the newest update.

Honestly Dee... if you have something constructive to say bring it to this table... as for now all I can see is you missing the facts that most Dev's have stated.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jbcarrera:
Own'd +1

Sent from my Evo at the edge of hell
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ricsim78:
Reasoning with Dee is impossible! Just by the way he writes tells you a lot about his character. Any Tom, ****, and Harry may be able to make a ROM but I guess not all of them have something called common sense

Forget him, this is for anyone else worthwhile reading this thread.

Immediately, before I even began making ROMS based on the 3.30 OTA, I tried the Deodexed 3.30 (stock with root, super user, unaltered). It seemed very fast but I immediately noticed market download issues. Downloads refused to start and as I used it, it just seemed to not work as well as the 3.29 base.

That was 3.30.651.2. So I made a ROM based on that and there was similar issues reported (battery drain, download problems, etc.) So I got an idea to use the market from my older ROM (based on 3.29) and the download issues went away. Then 3.30.651.3 came out and one of the fixes listed was battery drain issues. I thought maybe that would take care of the problem, knowing that was the only remaining problem. So I cooked up Omega exactly like I did Azrael (3.29 base) and the previous version of Azrael (3.30.651.2 base.)

Then some were saying the new ROM was awesome, others were still complaining about battery life. Knowing I did not alter my method for cooking ROMS or adding something that is eating up battery running in the background, I knew something was up. The ROM works beautiful on my phone but the battery life was not good. I switched from the HTC# 17 kernel to Netarchy 4.2 CFS and my battery life improved but I still felt it was dying quicker than it should.

Then I had an idea, 3.29 always worked amazing for my phone so I cooked Azrael with the 3.29 base (using the same method as Omega) and the same people reporting problems with Omega were generally experiencing download and battery life improvements.

People like Dee always crack me up. They admit how they know little yet are quick to say stupid little things.

It is one thing to be able to dissect my ROM and being like, "Aha! This is what you did wrong". It is another to be ignorant and not listen to everyone (including the dev who made the damn ROM, me!) and throw in little stabs like a 10 year old.

Lost causes not-withstanding, some are still reporting Omega is working better than Azrael. That tells me these phones are reacting differently to the kernel used in each OTA. 3.29 has HTC# 11, 3.30.651.2 has HTC #10, and 3.30.651.3 has HTC # 17. HTC # 17 is the fastest one for me and seemed to get rid of the download problems, but it still eats battey fast on my Evo.

I tried HTC # 17 on my Azrael ROM (3.29 base) just to amuse myself, battery life went back to being very bad. I had a 30 minute long phone conversation and the phone dropped 12 points with a fresh reboot and nothing else ran. That is extremely high!

I am going to work on the 3.30.651.3 and see what I can do to make it work well. I want to use it and would love to only have one ROM to look after.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dee-vious_dee:
If this is so worthless WHY are you guys still here harping? Seriously I am ONLY stating my issues. So quit your bad mouthing and bashing me BECAUSE I had an issue with your one ROM!!! Let it go JEEZ!!!

The fact about losing battery life 12 points with a fresh boot, MAYBE that happens with every phone. You try it again bet it won't be that bad, I disconnect my phone from the charger and it drops between 10 and 1 everytime.

All I am stating is the PROBLEM I had with your ROM get over yourself.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jbcarrera:
WOW way to end the agument.....you know what i'm just gonna let you do you and i'm going back to petting my lizard (bearded dragon! get your minds out the gutter) you are just a waste of my time.

Deuces
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ricsim78:
Reasoning with him is like trying to put lipstick on an angry lion...don't even try it because it is not a good idea! :D

For the people desides Dee....

Well, why not go to the Sprint site itself? I will highlight the significant text.

3.30.651.3	11/11/2010

Note: This update is only for newer devices with initial software version of 3.30.651.2. If you are running a different version than this, you will not receive this update and do not need it.

This update fixes power cycling issue when accessing the camera through some applications, like Qik, on devices running version 3.30.651.2 only.

The reason why people are getting the new OTA despite having older hardware, it is because it will download on any phone but fails to install if you try doing the OTA on any phone that did not come with the 3.30 update preinstalled from the factory. I think the reason we are all receiving the update in the first place because we are rooted.

Next thread.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dee-vious_dee:
UHMMMM No. I am here to see if OTHER people are having an issue with the update and battery life. Your the ones who came in here bashing me!!!

I stated what ROM I had an issue on and FOR ME I figured it was your ROM, I am on a different ROM and I am NOT having any problems. So get off bashing me, you have said before your gonna let me be, but here ya are still dogging on me.

I am running the Sprint Lovers ROM and my battery life is just awesum and my EVO was bought the 2nd week of July and have hardware version 0003.
[EVO 4G General] KevGer:
Does anyone know how to get notification bar, similar to the mytouch 4g on Evo.
[EVO 4G General] Rydah:
Flashing a Rom like IncHes's is the only way as of now. The only drawback is the camera is currently not working, but I remember seeing about a patch coming soon to fix that.

Sent From My HTC Evo 4G Using Tapa Talk Pro!
[EVO 4G General] KevGer:
Thanks a bunch.
[Desire General] aidanbree:
Does anyone know if its is possible to install the sense mail app on a clean ROM? I am running CM 6.1 but miss the functionality of the sense mail app.

If so, anyone got the apk?

Cheers
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tjcraig7:
Let me start of by saying I'm really grateful for all of the hard work all the devs put in for this big win! But I'm trying to weighout waiting for a 1 click or if I should test my adb skills. You know how it goes. Thanks everybody!
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] altomes:
This has already been done with visionary
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] grivad:
I don't want to sound like a jerk, but if following the very clear and succinct step-by-step instructions worries you too much, I'd question if you should be rooting your phone to begin with. You can mess up a lot on a rooted phone if you don't know what you're doing.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] smirkis:
amen to that! but no joke, word for word is hard to mess up. a lot of the things u end up doing is gonna be some word to word stuff, no one click tricks usually. so get comfortable
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shibby80:
the video makes it very easy just watch that and do exactly what he says it works great
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dietotherhythm:
I rooted my phone without adb... lol

it can all be done via terminal
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] byno1:
visionary 13

has any1 tryed the app visionary13 perm-root yet and did it wrk i found the app on MaDaCo site but i havent used it yet i am waiting for my new g2 to come to come from tmobile had to get a new onw one cause i took the google goggles off and that made it so that i could not get the new ota-update so when the new one comes i want to root it trying visionary13.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] g_grey:
you got a replacement for your phone because you couldn't take the time to revert on your own and then apply the update? shame on you.

@OP

root is very easy, if you can read and follow directions you will be fine, but what the others say is true, if you are worried then you should either learn up on your sdk tools or not root your phone because i promise you will get a bootloop one day and not know what to do and you will ask us if it is broken and how to fix it(unless you have been doing your reading), and most likely if we tell you how to fix it then you are going to need adb anyways
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Acid_Wir3:
rooting is really easy if you use the rage method.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tjcraig7:
Thanks for being a ****, but your anti failed, I upped my ADB to spite you. 3 phones rooted, no problems yet.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cparekh:
It's just my opinion, but I don't think the one-click root method is great for the G2. Unlike the Vibrant there is a step that can brick your phone, and you are best doing that one by hand. Plus, learning ADB will make your life sooooo much easier when you actually do root the phone.

Rooting is just the first step, then you have to do cool stuff to it. Then you need to screw it up, and then you need to fix it. All of that is made much easier or requires ADB.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] swags:
Haha, so true.
[Nexus One General] mortzz:
Got my N1 back from HTC after they warrantied the power button

When did they start with this box? It's adorable.
[Nexus One General] Memnoch30:
Awesome stuff
[Nexus One General] sstang2006:
I got same replacement box in October.
[Nexus One General] irishrally:
I also got the same box with my swap but my swap was defective right out of the box (contant reboots). I sent back the swap and did a little art work of my own. I had a red saw mark across the thumb with red spray coming out everywhere (blood) and a big red "NOT" in from of all good. I'm sure the guys that received it got a good laugh out of it. Wish I had taken a picture.
[Nexus One General] galaxys:
Cool box. Would be cooler if it had a N2 in it made by HTC :)
[Nexus One General] khaytsus:
Why does that remind me of this?
[Nexus One General] mortzz:
Oh, and another interesting thing, I sent it in completely stock 2.2.1 with the 4.06 radio and got it back with the 5.08, looks like they're upgrading them at the factory now.
[Nexus One General] b1337:
i got one of those too a few months back...but i refrained from using words like "cute" and "adorable" i really hope you are a woman :p
[Nexus One General] mortzz:
You'd be incorrect. ;)
[Nexus One General] lostinbeta:
I sent mine out a month ago due to random rebooted and it came back in a box just like yours but instead of the thumb it had a ribbon drawn on with a drawn on label that said 'im back.' Inside the box was my phone wrapped in a microfiber cloth with a card that said 'im happy to be back in your hands.' I thought it was a very clever touch that shows a lot of heart at HTC. My service was incredible all around.
[Nexus One General] ChongoDroid:
sounds like someones a manly man
[Nexus One General] lostinbeta:
I believe I called mine both cute and adorable as well.
[Nexus One General] b1337:
I have nothing but good things to say about htc's customer service, specially considering the elusiveness of the nexus :]
[Nexus One General] ericc191:
The box doesn't look "all good."
[Nexus One General] inneyeseakay:
I just received a warranty replacement today and this is the box I received as well as the microfiber... :cool:
[Nexus One General] mortzz:
That's how it arrived. Great job, FedEx. Luckily the precious content was unharmed.
[Nexus One General] MaximReapage:
I do have to agree on the "cute" and "adorable" descriptions
[Nexus One General] Rusty!:
Bah, when I got mine back from HTC UK, it was in a plain padded box.
[Droid X General] joebob296:
I used the full 2.2 SBF to restore it a few weeks ago it works fine but under build number all it says is VZW. Is that what it should be displaying or should i reflash it and start from stock again?
[Droid X General] Ubermicro13:
VZW is the default Build Number. The information for that is stored in the build.prop. You can open it and change it to display something else if you would like. It should be the Fourth Line down and should say

ro.build.display.id=VZW

Change the part that says VZW to something else. Some people have said it won't work if you use more than 14 characters, so I wouldnt risk it. After you change it it would look something like

ro.build.display.id=joebob296
[Galaxy S I9000 General] madmack:
It puzzles me why some ROMs have better GPS performance than others. I was on JPJPA earlier and had usable GPS navigation experiences in town, I flash JP8 and all hell breaks lose :confused: So to me, this ruled out that my phone has a hardware problem.

You can say that I live in a densely populated area in Boston, and after going through a lot of forum literature :cool:, today I carried out a little experiment.

I made a round trip to some place here in Boston, selected Copilot on my way to go, and Google Nav on my way back and here are the results:

Google Nav with "Use Wireless Networks" under location settings:

HERE

Google Nav without "Use Wireless Networks":

HERE

CoPilot:

HERE

In both trips, I took Beacon St and Longwood Ave (notice the difference).

Now while CoPilot is not exactly perfect, it performs way better than Google Nav! It didn't have to reroute or recalculate. (The circle you see in the beginning is me stopping by a gas station, yes, it was that accurate, it messes up only at the rail intersection of st paul & beacon)

I noticed a difference in the lock pattern and speed when using different programs. For example, GPS Status seems to take the longest to get a lock from a Cold Start, but once it locks, programs like CoPilot lock quickly using a Hot Start (reusing data from GPS Status)

Google Navigation, and several other programs however, seem to be using something entirely different. It seems Google Nav (and Maps btw) take the same amount of time to get initial lock whether (a) I used GPS Status prior or (b) did not use it at all.

I can only speculate at this point, but I think that Android provides more than one API to obtain GPS accuracy. I suspect that CoPilot and GPS Status (among others) use their own calculations to determine GPS position using raw satellite data, whereas Google Nav uses some built-in APIs in Android that give positioning data that are false. I believe that Google Maps uses some AGPS settings regardless of what you set in "Location and settings", and that, messes everything up. (You can see in my tracks above how google maps have bigger arcs when I made a u-turn, instead of showing a sharp turn).

A nice test would be to disable radio completely; that way Google Nav can't access AGPS data. But of course you run into the problem that Google can't operate without a valid data connection.

I just wanted to share my observations, if you guys have more ideas, lets share :)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Billus:
Google Navigator is overrated. Co-Pilot, Navigon, NDrive are far better applications. If Trapster became an integrated layer in Google Nav, I'd use it.

Well written article btw.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] madmack:
Thanks,

thing is, Google Nav did work fine in JPJPA. I'd like to use it instead because it has the latest listings and some pretty accurate traffic conditions. If we can find the problem, or find out what data or files Google Nav accesses, then we could possibly fix this problem on multiple ROMs.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] compuse:
Gmaps is perfect for finding and typing locations to go to, co-pilot more for the actual navigating, .. while you're driving; gmaps is way easier to use then co-pilot. But yea, less inaccuracy probs with co-pilot besides having a slower fix.