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[G Tablet General] roebeet:
You have to do some /system surgery to get alternate keyboards to work. For whatever reason, the TnT Settings apk doesn't allow the kb to be changed.

You shouldn't need to - supplements are pretty light changes. I usually don't wipe data / cache on them.

I need to update the first post - correct that the statement about AB is already stale!

Actually, TnT Lite and VEGAn share the same devs as we all pool our resources (I wouldn't call myself a dev, though - just a troubleshooter / packager). I control TnT Lite wheras gojimi and rothnic have more control over VEGAn - this works fairly well as I can concentrate my efforts here, and I usually scan this thread more than the VEGAn thread as an example.

As for which is "better", I think its personal preference. TnT Lite is close to stock and I will continue to keep in that way - I actually was thinking about custom kernels but decided against it. So, it's as "stable" as TnT is. VEGAn is still in beta and probably less stable than TnT Lite, but offers certain things, like kb replacement and USB mouse support, that TnT Lite does not. It will also be getting custom kernels starting with beta 5 which means it will have things like CIFS OOTB, very soon.

I usually bounce between the two, but VEGAn has been getting more facetime than TnT Lite in the last week. I think that will continue to be the case.

My test thumb drive is 4GB - I'm wondering if 32GB is just a problem in general? I assume trying the mount command was for troubleshooting, correct? Btw, with that mount command you might need "-o umask=000" as the drive is being mounted as root. I had this issue with an NTFS flash drive and a custom kernel -- rooted command prompt saw the files but not the GUI because the GUI is not running as root.
[G Tablet General] jtg55:
Keyboard replacement

Is this an issue with TnT somehow locking out alternative keyboards? Or is there another issue underlying why Graffiti doesn't work? Because I love this ROM, but that's a deal breaker for me.
[G Tablet General] gpasterak:
GPS and Phone in gtab

Let me echo the rest of the group's cudos for a great ROM. It went in smoothly and got the hang of it quickly.

Is there a version that does not have the phone flavor as the Viewsonic gtablet is not phone ready? For example, the hone app is part of the nav pane on the right side of the home.

In addition, does gtab support any kind of GPS either thru the internet or otherwise? I do not have a verizon card in it so seems it is much less capable for that reason. I am happy however that I don't have the $40/month forever bill.

Thanks,

George
[G Tablet General] festivus:
I upgraded to TNT 3.1.3 last night, and after allowing it to go to sleep several times, I'm now experiencing lag. Quadrant scores in the 600's and very sluggish. The update definitely went through without a hitch. Anyone else seeing this?
[G Tablet General] vsc:
There is no GPS hardware present. You can use a Bluetooth GPS receiver with an application such as BlueGps4Droid. This combination works well and enables navigation. Others have found a way to use the GPS in their phone via a Wifi connection to enable the tablet to employ GPS location.

In theory the tablet should be able to use Wifi location w/o GPS but that doesn't seem to be working. If it was to work you would get rough location, but still would not be able to use navigation.

If you replace the launcher (e.g. w/ launcher plus) you can remove the visible signs of a phone. I believe if you dig far enough you will still find signs of the phone, perhaps in the contacts application.
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
Yep, a known issue with all the mods (especially ones with the latest TnT kernel). On my first post, there's an experimental customized kernel that should fix it - but use at your own risk, of course.
[G Tablet General] festivus:
Shoot, I guess I jumped the gun. I thought that the lag fix was baked in to TNT 3.1.3. I see from the thread that some are experiencing some strange behavior with the customized kernel.
[G Tablet General] Reginhild:
Noticed after upgrading to 3.1.3 from 2.2.0 that the market rating stars are all cut off - only shows a half star so can't see actual ratings.

Anyone else with this issue?
[G Tablet General] ItsDon:
From the first post on page one:

"- New Market has a glitch where only a partial star shows up on all apps. I have to find the reason why this is on TnT (Lite), I suspect that it's the TnT framework."
[G Tablet General] gpasterak:
Thanks again.

One of the things my wife likes about her gtablet (that I removed by installing a new ROM) was the 3 pane window layout. You see on the ad for gtab large movie on left and weather and mail on right or something like that. How is that done and can I set that up with TnT Lite 3.1.3?
[G Tablet General] Sprdtyf350:
I run vegaN Beta 4 with the lag, and g sensor patches. Very stable, very fast. I used to run vegaN Beta 3 and it was also very stable and fast. So I would say that what you read was more likely due to people installing things without properly wiping remnants of old roms away.
[G Tablet General] nbowes:
I'm using Thumb Keyboard and Swiftkey with TNTlite 3.1.3, and here's how I did it:

First thing you have to do is override the TNT settings display...

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=857939

-Download and install the alternate keyboard(s) you want.

-Then, download the replace and rollback files from the link above and move them onto your SDCard.

-Reboot into recovery and run the replace zip file.

-Reboot the tablet. Go into settings/language & keyboard and select the alternate keyboard(s) you want.

-Reboot into recovery and run the rollback zip file.

-Reboot the tablet. Now you can long-press on any text input field and select your input method.

Works really great, thanks to copritch's work. Hope this helps!
[G Tablet General] cjbailey75:
I have used both and thats the only way to find out. I want to use my sdcard2 and that is the only advantage of it. TNT 2.4 and 3.1.3 is a hugh difference. Vegan earlier beta was better IMO until B3 came out and it was really unstable so i went back to TNT 3.1.0 and saw some new improvements that i like and could deal with. Now Iam back on Vegan b4 with the kernal patch and g sensor patch and that thing is a beast. Iam hitting 2500+ quad score consistanly and I love my pull down and setting menu. ADW.launcher has an update that is A FREAKING BEAST and you can lock your setting and makes it run beautifully with removing and moving apps. If they can fix the SDcard and files deleting or not showing that will be the ultimate tab it already out classes the ipad just wish they would have made it a little lighter better build quailt and WTF didnt they make the buttons backlight just silly.
[G Tablet General] dgondrez:
Flash

I just updated to 3.1.3 and for some readon now I cannot view flash on websites like youtube. I can view the files on the youtube app, but not the website or other sites like cwtv to watch videos. I reinstalled the adobe flash player 10.1.120.1.apk and it has not worked. I think I may be doing something wrong. Thanks in advance for your time.
[G Tablet General] reisa:
Just want to throw my 2 cents in for LIKING the stock TnT keyboard -- so roebeet can know that there may be others out there who'd at least like to keep it as an option. ;-)
[G Tablet General] jacindc:
You must have big hands, then! Thumb Keyboard is a godsend for us folks--especially of the feminine persuasion!--with small hands. The default keyboard caused me no end of thumb pain, but now all is well with Thumb Keyboard. It could use a tweak or two to its interface, but if the choice is between needing some bells and whistles and having my thumb in a splint, I'll take the former! :)
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
Do you get any errors? I usually use cnn as my test site.
[G Tablet General] dgondrez:
I can view videos on cnn (I tried one), when I go to youtube it is hit or miss. Some will play and then when I view videos I was able to view before with 2.1 It says "your browser does not currently recognize any of the video formats available. click here to visit our frequently asked questions about html5 video" When I go to cwtv.com I go to video and try to play any of them nd it is just a black screen. This just started to happen once I upgraded. Thank you for your time and hard work for the work arounds you provide for us.
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
The site(s) might be confused as to the user agent, that's my only guess. Sounds like Flash is working, but not to all web sites.
[G Tablet General] arrow21:
Wow is all I can say... 2.4 to 3.1.3....this thing is great! The gallary sees stuff on my sdcard2! Love it
[G Tablet General] dog2490:
I had the same problem with 3.1.2. not recognizing the files on my 8gb thumbdrive. I went back to 2.4 and it started working fine. I have a question for you. Do you have a second sd card loaded on the gtab? I did not and I am wondering if that has something to do with it. Roebeet said that he had no problems with his gtab seeing the files on his thumbdrive but he also has a second sd card inserted. I never asked if he tested it with the second card out. Anyway. I am running 2.4 and am using ADW launcher and I love the way it works. This tablet is awesome.
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
I'm thinking it's the new kernel and VOLD, in 3.x (and thus the new TnT stock setup, as well). My test unit has no microSD and it's working, again with a 4GB thumb drive in my case.
[G Tablet General] ZephyrsDream:
I've just flashed the TNT 3.1.3 build and I'm having problems with the Market. When I open it, it says there's no content to display. When I try to search for certain apps, they cannot be found. I've tried the Market fix many times and nothing fixes it. Any help?

Edit: Nevermind, I figured it out. Was missing some steps from the Market Fix. Anyway, thanks again to all the developers who are continuously working on this ROM. It's great.
[G Tablet General] vsc:
I thought perhaps the kernel I built broke auto brightness, but reverting back to TnTLite-3.1.1 with or without my kernels, restores auto brightness functionality. One of the patches up to V3.1.3 seems to have done this. I'm working up a patch at a time to find which does it.

And when I restored the files pushed on for the g-sensor patch, auto-brightness functionality returned. The files restored were,

Camera.apk

libsurfaceflinger_client.so

framework.jar

My guess is that Vegan files were patched, rather than TnT files.
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
Thanks - I already had suspicions right off the bat that it might be 3.1.3, and it's pretty much confirmed. This g-sensor patch is not ready for prime time, it's partially breaking the camera and now auto-brightness.

I'm going to pull it out and wrap it up in 3.1.4 shortly, just so those of you with 3.1.3 have a way to back out.

EDIT: Yep, those are the three files - they should have worked with our device, but I know that auto-brightness doesn't work in VEGAn and the Camera is messed up on that gsensor fix as well.
[G Tablet General] v12xke:
Yep, this is getting old. On 3.13 now and I'm getting the lag several times per day causing reboots. Tried the latest kernel patch and the "fit hit the shan". Several programs were busted, especially music player and its widget, AB, etc. Had to reload a 3.1.2 backup and now everything runs fine *except* the lag issue. I've been reading the XDA forums daily for over a month now, and fully understand my options. Seriously considering going back to 2.4.0. My other g-tab running 2.4.0 has not experienced the lag issue and has been rock stable (and I like that about it). I do note and appreciate new players and the interactive problem solving, but I am taking the conservative approach. I am a little frustrated with being held back.
[G Tablet General] Mikeg1969:
Roebeet, just to let you know.....I have 3.1.3 installed and my auto-brightness works perfectly!! My camera works in picture as well as video mode, the only force close I get from the camera is in trying to view a video I just took or trying to take a video from the Youtube homescreen widget. I did a cache clear and data clear before installing 3.1 then installed 3.1.3 and came from TnT 3389 with Gapps and market installed. Could the major problems that are occuring with the camera and auto-brightness be due to fragmentation of something left behind when others upgraded to 3.1.3?? Just asking because I would hate to lose the g-sensor patch.
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
VERY possible! I am testing that right now. I just went to 3.1.4 and the Camera was still broken, so I just wiped data. 3.1.3 might be a patch that needs a data wipe.

If I can confirm that, then I will leave 3.1.3 as is, but add the "data wipe" required caveat.

EDIT: No go. For the 3.1.3 auto brightness, try turning the setting off, then back on. It should break at that point. As for the Camera, turn it to portrait and you'll see the problem.

EDIT2: 3.1.0 Camera is borked, as well? Can that be right? I'm going back to full stock now -- maybe this Camera issue has been around for a long time.

EDIT3: Stock 3389 is borked (see what I'm doing?). I'm on a wild goose chase, I think.
[G Tablet General] Mikeg1969:
I see what you mean with the camera in portrait....it's upside down!!LOL But my auto-brightness still works just fine turning it off and on.
[G Tablet General] vsc:
I don't think the camera ever worked except in landscape.
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
I just went back to 3389 stock, and it's the same. That's a non-issue then for me, as it's a stock issue.

Still working on this Auto-Brightness thing. I'm not pulling it quite just yet....
[G Tablet General] arrow21:
Running 3.1.3 auto brightness works and I have a 16gb microsd and a 64gb flash drive that works great
[G Tablet General] Mikeg1969:
EDIT3: Stock 3389 is borked (see what I'm doing?). I'm on a wild goose chase, I think.[/QUOTE]

Sorry Roebeet, wasn't trying to send you on a wild goose chase. :( I am glad to see someone else not having problems with auto-brightness at least.
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
3.1.4 being tested - better g-sensor fix

Not only is auto-brightness working, but the g-sensor fix is improved. At least one game (Labyrinth Lite) that was borked in 3.1.3 is now working.
[G Tablet General] SofaKingWeird:
Hello roebeet, if you need someone else to test 3.1.4 I'm willing to help.
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
Being held up by the Camera app - the fix of the fix is breaking it. :(

This is probably going into tomorrow, unfortunately.
[G Tablet General] rushless:
If we had a functioning video Skype, the camera would be an issue. Since we do not- no harm, no foul for me ;)

Take your time. Quite a few more games now work due to the current accelerometer fix :)

Now, if Nvidia could improve their drivers more, so Let's Golf, NOVA, Breakers, Fifa 2010 and other 3D games would not have messed up graphics (mainly dark or gray textures where other colors should be).
[G Tablet General] SofaKingWeird:
Good luck roebeet, we really appreciate your dedication and hard work.
[G Tablet General] rushless:
Roeby,

I seem to be getting the vanishing apps again (usual ones- Angry Birds, Season, Steambirds, Stumbleupon, etc), since applying 3.13 and using USB storage mode. Not sure if due to recent updates or just dumb luck on my part. I restored them with Titanium, but have not had this problem with 2.4 onward.
[G Tablet General] cutterjohn:
Any plans to use rothnic's kernel build(as an option) w/TnTL? I just read that they apparently managed to add CIFS/NTFS support w/o borking anything else for the "vegan" project...

...picked up a NC yesterday so I was playing around with that, but I've got to return it because the mini-USB cable is a b!tch to insert... couldn't even manage it this morning... screen is nice, but their build quality seems to be lacking for a $250 device... just makes the gTab look better, excepting the screen which is wonderful on the NC...

back to TnTL...
[G Tablet General] vsc:
When USB storage mode is active (e.g. SDCard is mountable by your host computer), Android can't see the card. AB and other apps are storing information in an encrypted file on the SDCard. Android is smart enough to remove the app from the launcher when the SDcard files associated with the application are not present (e.g. when USB storage mode is enabled).

I don't know if this is what is happening, but the first time I encountered this it took me by surprise.
[G Tablet General] vsc:
In theory version 0.2.1 of a kernel I built includes CIFS and NTFS support for TnTL. I have tested both and they seem to work properly. There should be a link on the first page to the kernel, which also includes directions on how to mount shares where normal applications can see the files (e.g. RockPlayer can directly open a video file off the server).

Also I should note again, I don't trust Linux with respect to writing to NTFS file systems. Thus I would only use that for read-only.

With respect to the NookColor and its mini-USB the trick to getting it to engage is the angle has to be just right. In short when you meet resistance tilt the cable connector up and down until it slips in. Basically it has to be parallel to the device and there is very little room for error with the connector they used.

I had to return my Nook as the screen developed way too many hot pixels which were too obvious for my taste. I tried a replacement but out of the box it had many dead pixels right in the center of the screen. The platform has a lot of potential.
[G Tablet General] rushless:
The apps vanish and do not come back. I tested with a reboot as well and had to recover them via Titanium. I chose "missing app and data" and 36 apps had to reinstall.
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
Angry Birds uses /sdcard to install, so I suspect it's related. I've only seen the issue when going inbetween builds, myself.
[G Tablet General] cutterjohn:
Not to go too off-topic, but yeah that's how I managed to get it inserted yesterday to charge, but it took about 10m of fiddling which is ridiculous. Repeated that to sideload some stuff from Calibre, but this morning no amount of fiddling would get it inserted, so back it went. This should NOT be the case in a brand new OOB device, and I'd bet that most people would've just given up immediately...

The new one's cable went right in. I tried it at the register before I left this time, and have it charging now... but... I seem to have gotten one of the annoying ones with the super oversensitive touch screen...

Screen is WAY better than the gTab's though, but other than that it's not gonna be so great but I'll mainly use it for reading and maybe travelling depending upon circumstances.

BTW: WTH is a "hot" pixel? [EDIT] nvm, Googled it, charge leaking pixels brighter than normal...

P.S. this one's taking ALOT longer to charge the first time...

[/EDIT]

now back to TnTL
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
I mentioned this before, but I have no plans on adding custom kernels to TnT Lite. I think this should be optional to the user and not something to push on them, as these kernels are experimental in nature and there's a few of them out there.

That being said, I think CIFS is probably the most important breakthrough on this device, so far. It really makes this device much more useful at home, since I can now use it with my NAS device. I already used apps that were "/mnt" aware, so it fits in quite nicely.
[G Tablet General] cutterjohn:
That's what I meant. The other day(before I got the NC) I thought that I had read a post in which you were pondering providing optional kernel packages...

...but I'm going to be busy monkeying with the new toy... need more disk space for yet another kernel tree...
[G Tablet General] ThinkinBig:
Quick question, on the main page it says theres a version 3.1.4 supplement out but the link is still for 3.1.3, think ya missed somethin :P

BTW: thank you for all the hard work everyone, I love my G-Tab thanks to everyone on here
[G Tablet General] rushless:
No problem, since comes with the territory ;)
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
3.1.4 got pulled in mid-stream - still working on it.
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
3.1.4 is going up, shortly. Better g-sensor, (mostly) working Camera

Camera is not 100%, but "good enough" for now. Video and stills work in landscape mode, at least. That's as good as stock.

The g-sensor is the same as the VEGAn beta 5.1 one, so games that don't work in stock should now work, but hopefully it doesn't break any games that used to work in stock. I tested Labyrinth Lite.

There is no lag fix, and there's no CIFS / NTFS support that you see in VEGAn. That's a conscious decision on my part to keep the kernel in TnT Lite the same as stock, for stability purposes. The user can add whatever custom kernels they want, after the fact.
[G Tablet General] rcgabriel:
Did you go between using one of the custom kernels and stock kernel?

I posted this in the Vegan thread and I'll post it the basic gist of it here too.

There may be some subtle differences in the way the loopback device on your SD card works on the stock kernel and the way it works in our custom kernels.

They both work fine, but apps installed to the SD card (such as Angry Birds and others that default to SD install) with the stock kernel may seem to "disappear" when a custom kernel is installed. And vice versa, possibly. This is because we had to figure out our own configuration settings for the loopback device, as Viewsonic didn't provide theirs in their kernel source.

A few people have reported this issue with going from earlier Vegan ROM betas to beta 5, which has a custom kernel.

The solution is to simply back those apps that are affected in Titanium Backup while running with the previous kernel, then update the kernel, then restore the apps in Titanium Backup (or re-install them from Market and just restore the data - I think these are functionally equivalent).

Or if you were using vsc's lagfix kernel before, and flashed TNTLite 3.1.4, just reflash the lagfix kernel again and your apps should still be there.
[G Tablet General] Sportsfanatix23:
I have followed the threads on this for a while and I appreciate all your help and detailed instructions in how to things to my G tablet! It is awesome after it has been tweaked a little :) My question is do I or should I re-flash to the latest TNT Lite? I currently have TnT Lite v2.2.0 running. I guess I either need convincing to upgrade or not to. lol Seems like a few bugs in the latest version also. I just hate having to re install all my apps that I have already downloaded and so on. So someone convince me I need to update? Thanks for your help.
[G Tablet General] Randomgoodstuff:
Supplements

Silly question but how to apply the TNT Lite Supplements the smartest way?
[G Tablet General] thebadfrog:
If your happy then don't update otherwise install clockwork and do a backup. Install Titanium Backup and backup your apps and their data...not system data. Flash the new TnT lite and restore your apps with Titanium. If you don't like it, reboot into clockwork and restore your backup
[G Tablet General] roebeet:
x2 on clockworkmod - I find it to be an indispensable tool. You can backup what you have, install 3.x and, if you don't like it, just backout to 2.2 again.

You only need one supplement, as they are cumulative. That's why the top of the post only lists the latest one.

The supplements require the last minor version. So, in the case of 3.1.4, you need 3.1.0 as a baseline. The whole idea of supplements is to allow you to add fixes / features without having to reflash completely.
[G Tablet General] Gramps:
Roebeet,

A quick clarification on supplement installations.

I assume you can progressively add your supplements without going back to the base version. Such as installing 3.1.4 on top of 3.1.3. or is it recommended to go back to 3.1.0 before installing 3.1.4?

Thanks for all of your help and efforts.

Gramps...
[G Tablet General] Sportsfanatix23:
I do want to install the newest version but just wondering whats the advantage of the new version versus what I already have? Does the new version have the latest marketplace or is it the old version?