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[Epic 4G General] crabjoe:
That's a given! The official Froyo on the International SGS's GPS didn't get fixed, so why would they fix it on the Epic?

Personally, I say the problem is hardware and Samsung will brush this under the run. Really, it's not like the phone isn't selling and they're getting ready to put out a new Flagship phone. Why would they invest time and money into fixing something that going to be replaced soon and is still selling well?

I think the only way they will fix it is if there is a lawsuit and they are forced into it. Outside of that, all Galaxy S variant owners, that don't have a working GPS, is SOL.
[Epic 4G General] blulitespecial:
If it's not fixed I'll have to let go of samsung. There's no reason something like this should be ignored. It was annoying on the moment, and now it's annoying on the epic. My evo and hero never had a problem.
[Epic 4G General] muyoso:
How is it that I have never had an issue with the GPS? It works flawlessly for me. It isn't very accurate, but it locks on near instantly every time as long as I am outside. Doesn't seem like there is a bug at all to me, other than the accuracy of the lock.

Might just be something you guys are doing or some setting you changed.
[Epic 4G General] crabjoe:
If it was something people were doing, you'd see GPS issues on all phones that have GPS. Currently, no phones seem to have an issue with GPS except for Samsung Galaxy S phones.

What might cause different issues (some have decent GPS, others can't even get a lock, some in the middle) is the antenna may be marginal. A marginal antenna might work or have issues based on just how well it's soldered in. Too much solder, not enough, or it got soldered in at just a slight angle... Who knows other then Samsung, and their not saying or fixing it. If it was just a software problem, I'll bet they would have had it fixed by now and you wouldn't see such a wide variety of problems.
[Epic 4G General] boomerbubba:
Are you running the leaked Froyo release? (That is what this thread is about.)

The general property of the GPS locking bug is that it does not occur under all conditions. It's root cause is buggy handling of the GPS cache after it becomes stale. There are many things that can cause the time-dependent cache to be cleared or refreshed, including frequent use of the GPS or rebooting.

How do you even know that you have a good GPS lock if the fix is inaccurate? Do you use a utility such as GPS Test to show how many satellites are being used? Since the actual accuracy of the GPS, when it does get a multi-bird lock, is pretty good, my bet is that you don't have a good satellite lock at all. In any case, if the bottom-line accuracy is poor, it cannot be said that your GPS "works flawlessly."
[Epic 4G General] APOLAUF:
There are threads everywhere on how to replicate this problem. Enable WiFi or 4G, wait 4 hours, then try to get a lock. Your phone won't. It is unable to get assistance data over anything other than Ev-DO/1x-RTT.
[Epic 4G General] boomerbubba:
I have seen anecdotal reports on the main DJ29 thread in which users first experienced good GPS performance, but later the GPS locking failures started. This is completely consistent with the buggy behavior of the stock Epic. (There also is a lot of noise from naive cowboy "testers" proclaiming that their GPS works fine with the new ROM. Their GPS units would work just as fine -- temporarily -- if they only did a factory reset of a stock Epic. They have no clue how to test for this GPS bug.)

Meanwhile, there are skimpy reports that there is a later Froyo version, DK05, which also includes an updated modem.bin module. Unfortunately, that version is not generally available for testing.
[Epic 4G General] J3ff:
I am CONSTANTLY AMAZED at people saying they have no gps problem AND THEN they follow it up with "I mean it's off by 100 to 300 feet, but I have no gps problem"

If the gps doesn't show EXACTLY what room you are sitting in - in your house, YOU HAVE A PROBLEM.

I for one use the phone exactly like a normal person does - I walk in and out of wifi zones all day, I use it to talk, I hardly turn it off and power cycle it

AND in that situation, even with cold start enabled THE EPIC GPS IS USELESS!!!

If it's not fixed in the next release, I'm selling it, even though I love it and I will NEVER buy another Samsung product again.

There have been MULTIPLE times the GPS lets me down, across ALL different APPS. It's purely PATHETIC on Sprint and Samsungs part.
[Epic 4G General] ZenInsight:
Worked perfectly for me with cold start on DI18. Room to room and driving. Locked on within 1 minute. I updated to Froyo. Now I have never gotten a lock.
[Epic 4G General] muyoso:
I dont know how you can call something useless that works well for driving navigation. Sure, it is not accurate. It can only pinpoint your location to a circle with a diameter of 98ft. Obviously we would all love to see this fixed. But to say that it is useless is just dumb. It might be useless for certain applications, but for the most used application it is usable. Not great, but useable.

Also, the main complaint I have heard from people is that the GPS simply wouldn't lock, not that it wasn't accurate. As a response to that, I am perfectly comfortable saying that mine is working perfectly, because my GPS locks within 5 seconds consistantly. Sure, it doesn't lock onto 9 satellites and the location data it is providing isnt super accurate, but it can reliably pinpoint my location on this massive planet to within 100ft within 5 seconds of me asking it to.

Don't mistake this response for me defending any of its shortcomings. It is not as accurate as any of my previous phones, which is ridiculous. My only defense of it is that it locks near instantly.
[Epic 4G General] J3ff:
you are not set to have it only work on GPS.

98 feet is not accurate. Sorry but where I live there are LOTS of roads within 98 feet of me.

Actually, i was at a bar about an hour ago and a girl asked me to find directions from where we were, to her car........ it was aabout 600 feet inaccurate. We were sitting in a bar, and it was showing us sitting on I95.

yea that as impressive for a top of the line phone.

NOT
[Epic 4G General] jok3sta:
so sell it? whats stopping you.. you are going to get another phone with better GPS but its going to suck at everything else the Epic does very well. I for one am willing to take ****ty gps vs a ****ty phone
[Epic 4G General] rufflez2010:
1) Phone works for driving nav, the only reason I need a GPS chip in the phone. I don't care if Twitter knows I'm at a mistress' house while I tweet, in fact, I would hope that it wouldn't know.

2) Unlike my former Hero, I have never been portrayed on the map on a biway. The Hero did it all the time and it used to piss me off to no end. Who cares if the phone can tell you what address you're at, but can't tell if you're in the bathroom or in bed? You do realize that building materials can affect this issue (and since I live in Florida where houses are mandated to not fall down during a hurricane, pretty thick material).
[Epic 4G General] gTen:
Were you using Google Maps or Google Navigation?
[Epic 4G General] J3ff:
google maps.... she was parked about .5 miles away...knew the street name - so I found it for her just using the map, but of course the stupid pointer showed us on the highway ...
[Epic 4G General] gTen:
Don't use the Google Maps..it has issues...use Google Naviagion...I ran them side by side...Google Maps was completely off..swapped to Google Navigation and it was right on the mark.
[Epic 4G General] boomerbubba:
It is probably not Google Maps that has issues. It is just showing what the device-level GPS reports or fails to report. Google Navigation, like most street-nav apps, has a snap-to feature that covers up underlying GPS errors most of the time -- unless the error is enough to snap to the wrong street entirely.

For purposes of testing the GPS -- which is what this thread is supposed to be about, specifically testing GPS under the Froyo release -- a street navigation app is the worst tool because obscures the errors with another layer of software. Google Maps better for that purpose. My Tracks is better still, because it records the actual GPS performance, warts and all, for later analysis.
[Epic 4G General] sauron0101:
Could it be that we have a luck of the draw issue? I can't get a lock at all indoors. Every test for GPS (I've tried many) has failed as well.

Others cliam that their GPS is fine and that makes me wonder if there are bad batches.
[Epic 4G General] APOLAUF:
Unlikely - all phones are affected. Some people don't use WiFi or 3G, so they are less likely to experience it. My Captivate suffers from the same ephemris cache bug, only worse.
[Epic 4G General] boomerbubba:
I agree. But don't your mean "Some people don't user WiFi or 4G ..." ?

I use both. But I find that when I take pains to use 3G when refreshing the GPS cache with Cold Start I get good results. Similarly, the only time I can get the almanac-ephemeris reload functionality built into the GPS Status utility to work is when I am using 3G.

I wonder if those who say they never have GPS problems are not in 4G areas? WiFi is probably less of a factor, because GPS is an outdoor tool and most WiFi is indoors.
[Epic 4G General] gTen:
No I know that Google Maps was having issues..why? because it didn't show me moving and showed 10m accuracy (I was 3 blocks away)..on the other hand I was using GPS Test, Google Maps, Google Navigation, Telanav and rotating in between then..Google Maps has some sort of issue...On the other hand Google Navigation was showing me moving and when I turned around and went mid way it showed me turning and moving accurately...

Also I tried the GPS Status today and it seems to help secure faster locks..but the accuracy was rather bad...(Then again I was only locked to 2-3 satilites and was indoors.
[Epic 4G General] boomerbubba:
And you are using the DJ29 Froyo build?

I have read of cases on the stock ROM where Google Maps occasionally has issues with its own application cache, so it shows an old position that is not updated. I have not experienced this myself, but the cases I read about were cured by clearing the application cache in Settings -> Applications -> Manage applications -> Maps -> Cache -> Clear cache. Dunno what triggers the problem in the first place. (Not to be confused with the device-level GPS cache for almanac and ephemeris data.)
[Epic 4G General] gTen:
Yes I am using DJ29 Froyo build..but this happened even in Eclair..I know its not to be confused with the GPS issue..but in J3ff case scenario that he described it seems like thats what happened to him...
[Epic 4G General] APOLAUF:
Oops, yes, definitely meant 4G. :) The pitfalls of typing on a smartphone. ;)
[Epic 4G General] aero1:
NO not bad batches, the bugs are present on all epics, it is usage habits that are causing the difference in how much people see the problem -- as well as people no knowing how aGPS works and literally putting up FUD claims it working. When I say FUD I am not kidding and you need to look no further than experienced users here trying out the beta saying it is fixed, within hours or a day or two of installing it. That is FUD or plain ignorance, since they reset their EPIC fully flushing all caches, including any bad data out of aGPS cache when they installed the beta. We also have experienced users conflating wireless networks location with aGPS when they are unrelated, and users not understanding that some programs use averaging as well.

You need to use google maps and not google Nav for comparative testing. Google nav uses averaging algorithms placing you on streets.

My initial testing with the incomplete beta show the secondary small hardcode bug is gone, but that the main bug with cache is still there.

I think the main bug is not fixed in the beta. I affects cache will cause a variety of results depending on how much of the cache is old. So from that bug you will see the following results:

1) Perfectly normal optimum fixes/positioning, when:

a) cache is fully current; or

b) current successfully refreshed (either successfully by the device or by a user behavior)

2) First fix taking longer than in should, when:

cached ephemeris is partially current and partially expired

3) Fix occurs but is less accurate than optima, when:

cached ephemeris is partially current and partially expired

4) Fix will not occur, when:

cached emphris is fully expired, or almanac is expired and the system will not refresh the cache

my own rough estimate of my experience with Epic before applying the cold start workaround is as follows:

1) <70%

2) 5%

3)10%

4) >15%

My initial testing throughout September involved many handsets concurrently, three epics, one evo, one touch pro 2 one touch pro, one treo pro, as well as one Garmin and one navigon dedicated gps units
[Epic 4G General] gTen:
Again..I was talking about J3FF situation...not as a general means of testing...that said it does not change the Google Maps has issues that can be misinterpreted by people as the GPS bug.. which it isn't
[Epic 4G General] sauron0101:
So in essence, we have no real solutions at this point.

It really is disappointing that something this big could have been oversighted by Samsung.
[Epic 4G General] gTen:
Just for fun today I used GPS on both Intercept and Intercept.. Intercept locked instantly..lol...thing is the Epic is seeing satellites, just not locking to them fast enough :/
[Epic 4G General] aero1:
My understanding was Jeff was seeing an inaccuracy. In that case using google navigation to cehck will not be a good idea as it snaps to roads..
[Epic 4G General] ksizzle9:
For the record. There is a leaked eclair maintenance update for Verizon fascinate that is CONFIRMED to fix GPS. Mine locks within 2 meters no material what, no matter when, no matter where. With that said. I agree with u guys, **** Samsung. This is the last Samsung phone I will ever buy. Period
[Epic 4G General] GODSPEED44:
I agree. Try having a ****ty GPS for a year in the Samsung Moment, waiting for it to be "fixed" in the 2.1 update. Surely, they will fix it in the Epic....:rolleyes: I had/have such high hopes for the Epic.

Samsung are you listening. I have already steered at least 3 people to the Evo over the Epic.

Oh and hello out there.
[Epic 4G General] muyoso:
Apparently they are:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=9295733&postcount=24
[Epic 4G General] GODSPEED44:
Hmmm... If this proves to be true, I may have to reconsider bailing on Samsung/Android. Waiting for CES.
[Epic 4G General] muyoso:
Yea, seriously. If that guy is really getting 5 ft accuracy indoors with a beta of Froyo, then I am going to be beyond thrilled with the official froyo release.
[Epic 4G General] ksizzle9:
the ad thing is the leak isn't a froyo beta. Its a eclair maintenance update. Ill post a video of proof tomorrow indoors once I get out of class.
[Galaxy Tab General] rockky:
Can only access mobile versions on many major sites... regardless if you use browsers that have desktop settings!

WTF SAMSUNG..... WHY DO YOU THINK WE OPTED FOR A BIGGER SCREEN???? THIS IS ONE MAJOR REASON. HELLO?

Man.. unreal.

Wondering if rooting in some way could enable circumventing this problem.

Actually might take it back for this.
[Galaxy Tab General] clubtech:
Odd. using Dolphin HD i am able to change the user agent of the browser and browse either mobile or full version of the site.

Sometime after you change the user agent you need to clear your cookies and restart the browser. Have you tried this?
[Galaxy Tab General] rockky:
Have U tried nytimes, cnn, msnbc, nfl(. Com) engadget,....
[Galaxy Tab General] mclarryjr:
I just got it working like the post said above I clear cache, data, history in both stock browser and dolphin. Then opened dolphin and hit menu>settings>under dolphin setting select User Agent and select desktop. After doing that I was able to go to ESPN and CNN and it was finally not in mobile view.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Temoi19:
Hey im missing my market after i updated cyanogenmod 6.0.

any help would be awesome.

Thanks
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] r45k:
download the gapps from the same place you got the CM build (from their site i assume)

boot into recovery and flash the zip
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] mugenex:
have anyone able to unlock att xperia version?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] daemons:
yeah,i need a tool to :D

just let me know if u find easy way to unlock this phone
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Che Kirila:
I have heard that mobileincanada dot com can do it.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] ralphodog:
ATT codes aren't unavailable until 3 months after the purchase of the device. Otherwise you have to pay out the ass to do a cable unlock.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Che Kirila:
I forgot that the customer satisfaction is the only goal of ATT Customer Service.

By the way I just had a conversation with T-Mobile UK Customer Service. They can unlock phone only for current TMO UK customers for 15 GPB. I am glad to pay, but I am TMO US customer! And don't have any friend who is TMO UK customer. At least it is possible for pretty reasonable price. So for now I am exploring dark jungles of black market.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] RumpleStealthSkin:
Try also calgarycellunlockers. com
[Android Software Development] generalamerica:
Has anyone used it? If so is the pro version worth 3000 dollars(including the Android pro)? Anyone know of any games made that used it?
[G2 and Desire Z General] perquisitor_omnia:
At some point after I perma-rooted my G2 and flashing bacon-bits my G2 goes into USB storage mode as soon as it's plugged into a computer.

Also, I don't know if it is related, the volume name is set to a stream of random characters "s2?:9y2% L&". Before it just showed up as a generic volume.

I //really// don't want this behavior because I tend to use adb to put files on my phone.

As to the weird volume label would it be safe to change to something meaningful with my computer or is it set by Android?
[G2 and Desire Z General] jweigand:
Do you have Winamp installed? That has a setting to auto-enable USB storage mode... drove me crazy for a week.
[G2 and Desire Z General] perquisitor_omnia:
Thank You!

I would never have thought about looking there...

As to the weird volume name, I'm just going to turn my phone off and put the card in a sd-card adapter and see if the weird name shows up, and if it does, I'll just use mlabel to change it to "My G2" or something...
[G2 and Desire Z General] mikeybot:
I had the same problem and just figured it out a few days ago myself, lol
[G2 and Desire Z General] Superfrag:
Use PowerAMP! It's better IMO. :P
[G2 and Desire Z General] cparekh:
Yup, both WinAMP and DoubleTwist do this by default. Evil.
[G2 and Desire Z General] -FuRBz-:
this was driving me crazy for the last couple of days!!
[G2 and Desire Z General] perquisitor_omnia:
It wouldn't be so bad if the software, you know, mentioned at any point that it did this!
[G2 and Desire Z General] SoTacMatt:
Ugh! I had them both. HAD them. You are right, now they are gone my device don't automatically connect.

Just got PowerAMP. Very nice! I love the audio boost, and swipe control.
[G2 and Desire Z General] perquisitor_omnia:
I'll have to try PowerAMP.

I actually like WinAMP now that I found the setting to turn auto-mount OFF!

Not that I don't think that they're boneheads for making that the default.
[G2 and Desire Z General] briginiaea:
Wow, thanks! I also have both winamp and poweramp and never would have figured that out! Was so not understanding why it was doing this...
[G2 and Desire Z General] theratdude64:
Oh wow I remember that WinAmp did this when I installed it initially, but totally forgot about it tonight when I flashed a rom and I was going insane looking for the system option for it. This thread FTW lol
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] jager420:
anyone hear about the update to then new swype beta? and do you know if there is a apk for it? I have swype but I didnt get it as beta..i downloaded somewhere on this fourm..the poster put it on his twitter site (so technically downloaded from twitter)
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] pete_kowalski83:
well everything I was reading about the new version, sounded like the one were using currently, but i would still try it
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] jager420:
I tried to download from their site but it didn't update my swype..I'm still on 2.4.44..would like to try the new swype if possible...
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] areghas:
Can anyone pm a link for it?
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] colonel187:
I would very much like the new swype aswell if one of you could send it. Thanks
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] pete_kowalski83:
well if you dl'd it, you have to uninstall the previous version then install the newer one
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] crazyg0od33:
yeah lemme get that apk?
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] sharper4:
Me too! :D
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] jager420:
You think I'm stupid? Of course I uninstalled before trying..it takes you to where you have to put your username and password for beta
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] pete_kowalski83:
well if youre gonna act like that then yea I thought u were stupid....douche
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] pilotmmb:
me too!

can anyone PM me as well?

thank youuu!!!
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] xyojimbox:
Ill def take a pm too :-)
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] thevoiceless:
The new update calls home to check if you're really part of the beta, it won't work if you're not. I'm part of it and it still said that Swype was configured for a different device, so I rolled back.
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] soljin:
I can find crack easier.

Man these Swype folks are all about locking down this must have kb can some one please PM me a copy of a working apk. I will gladly send swype as much money as they want for it but they aren't playing nice.
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] Metallice:
Just Google swype + version number. You'll find a working version in the top result.
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] networkmagician419:
If someone will please PM me the apk, I'll theme it
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] KGBxxx:
New swype is working a bit better
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] Nic2112:
Guys, USAsokr posted a great tutorial on how to find Swype, it's here

Edit: Please don't ask me to PM you the link :p
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] sharper4:
What's the latest version number?
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] KGBxxx:
Check the android development section under apps. Whole thread on new swype. Some interesting stuff there.
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] sharper4:
Edit: I found it. Version = 2.10.52.13753
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] jamor414:
Could someone please help me out with the new version? I can't seem to find it online.

I'm using 2.44 but find it a bit buggy. Thanks!!!!
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] jager420:
type this in google: swype 2.10.52.13753 wvga

and click on the first link it has a direct link to the newest swype. the first link should be this site http://www.android-underground.org/2010/11/15/swype-2-10-52-13753-hvga-wvga/

or just try this http://www.mediafire.com/?3dvg918jwzmd3we
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] jager420:
"well if ur gonna act like that.." stfu *****!
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] jamor414:
Thank you jager
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] jager420:
NP but credit goes to nick2112..thank you NICK!
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] jsuh:
Yeah, but I forget that Swype is a banned topic here to my knowledge
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] Metallice:
I'd delete that before the mods getcha. I linked to a google search for "swype 2.10 wvga" and I got penalized.
[Droid Eris Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BrodoBaggins:
Edit: Nevermind, the issue fixed itself. Go ahead and delete this thread
[General Questions and Answers] rykerson:
How can I download photos from my EVO to my MAC?
[General Questions and Answers] the_scotsman:
When you connect your evo to any computer with USB, you will get a screen popup with several options. Select "Disk Drive". This will then let you access the Evo just like any other USB drive on your Mac :)