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[Galaxy S I9000 General] ehe12:
I'm not believing anything ok? I did quote the whole email from samsung service, but I didn't believe the "software" part. What I'm trying to say is get your device back to samsung as soon as possible to have it fixed. If samsung cannot fix it? law says you can return it!

again as I'm saying, the quote from samsung service is just to remind people, contact their local samsung service to check the phone! why are you focusing on the mentioned "software problem"? OK even yes it's software problem, can you fix it? you obviously can't! then what? live with it? hell not for me! contact your local samsung service to get it fixed! that's the final solution to this GPS problem! all I'm saying is if you can't fix it, you have to send it to samsung service, and that's the only final solution!

also as you might be interested, the Orange staff I spoke to told me the following thing: when I sent my phone back, they didn't just accept everything I said, they did test the phone. According to their technician, there's something wrong with the integrated GPS.

can you fix the GPS? no you can't. I can't either. my solution will be send it to samsung so that they can repair it for me. why are you calling it misleading? my solution has a great chance to get the gps fixed!!!and if not, you've proved it's not fixable and you can return or exchange your phone!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] SkinBobUk:
We seem to have differant understandings of the world solution.

Fair enough samsung might be able to fix it. But i doubt it as everybody else would have done the same thing or samsung would have released some sort of press release.

And yes if they cant then you should be entitled to a refund/exchange, etc. But that aint a final solution in any sense of the word.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] bilboa1:
so youre exchanging the phone over and over and hope to have a better gps? did not realized by now that they all have fhe same gps and they all work the same so still exchanging? is the world going nuts?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ehe12:
well in my opinion, I paid for a fully functional phone, if even the manufacturer cannot fix it, there is no way I can accept it and return/exchange it is the only solution for me.

maybe you think this is not a solution, but it does solve my problem.

so far I don't know how many have sent their phones back, but I think it might be a huge number.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ehe12:
as there are many people claiming that their GPS work flawlessly, also someone claimed manufacturing dates may decide the quality of the phones, I am trying to prove either of them. even these aren't true, at least I prove that this issue won't be fixed by exchanging phones and I get my legal right to force the phone company to exchange/refund the phone for me. Also if many people do the same thing, the number of returned phones would become so large that samsung might finally have to admit this and file a recall.

this is harmless to all consumers, why not?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] milsjg:
So why do several people have a good GPS in their SGSes. If it were hardware problem, how does it come that some people can change phone for 4 times and not get any better results and others have good GPSes from the start? I start to lean towards the idea that the SGS GPS is not great but normal. People have the idea that the phone should have an equally good GPS as for example the screen witch is superb. Well they start to test the GPS and depending on several parameters (not the weather as seems to be a common misunderstanding) the GPS breaks down or they could not get an instant position within 1-2 meters (which is impossible with a cold or semi cold start if you do not have a cruise missile handy). They start fiddling around and mess up the GPS so it do not work at all.

The urban canyon problem that many refers to is a problem that even the high end dedicated GPSes have (look for reviews on the net). They are of course better then the SGS but heck you bought a phone not a GPS.

I do not say that there are no faulty SGSes out there. But so what there have been 7 million sold and there must be some. I also think that the SGS may be hiding the full potential somewhere deep in the hardware and it can be unlocked by some low level upgrade of the GPS. However I am content with the normal function of the GPS and of course I hope that future upgrades can make it better.

However there are evidently some trolls in these GPS forums which you can see if you reading all the mails. However there are not many, but they are rather irritating, in the sense that they will not listen to arguments and even if you show them a good track (which have been posted several times) they will deny it and accuse the user of incompetence instead of trying to find out why there phone is broken.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ehe12:
I did GPS test fairly and equally. I have another coupla phones, san francisco, hero and touch diamond. I use them all at the same time. SGS is the only one has problem. Clear?

the 4 SGS I got all have the same issue, in the mean time my other models (san francisco, hero, touch diamond) all work great. Does this make sense to you how bad GPS on SGS is? So I replace it 3 times, so what? I just need it to be as good as my other phones. is it too much to ask?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] titooo7:
milsjg, we dont expect sgs gps to be better than a dedicated gps device such as tomtom.We just want it to be as gps of some other phones, even some 2 years old nokia phones are much better on that. Thats the problem
[Galaxy S I9000 General] milsjg:
But why do lots of people have fairly good GPSes? You have to try to answer that question before you are pursing your answer. I have a fairly good (not exceptional missile good) GPS and I have posted several good tracks using different programs.

I also not an idiot and VERY familiar with GPS and programming. I do not mean to insult you if you are not trolling but just telling everybody that all SGS has a faulty GPS because you have had bad experience is not special good idea if you want to keep out of the trolling zone. I just searched for Iphone "GPS problem" on the net and found several links to GPS problems on the iPhone. So recommending from your experience to buy for example iPhone or any other phone in order to be happy with the GPS is very dangerouse.

The Htc Hero link below may clarify my point. Read if you dear because you have a faulty GPS on your Hero according to the link and there plenty more of that on the net. Get the drift?

http://community.sprint.com/baw/thread/27731;jsessionid=B0162F04F9DF9DCFFFC245A792A481BA.app2jive1
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ehe12:
I don't know to be fair. That's why I keep asking my contract provider to replace it for me. I thought if that's something about luck, replacing it as many times as I can could finally get me a working one. But... so far I have 4 in a row all bad GPS. Guess I'm just not lucky at all...

Other than replacing it, I don't know what else I can do to solve this problem. I like this phone and not until final stage will I return it. So far I'm just trying so hard to get one with good GPS. If you have any positive idea please let me know. I only care about this phone's GPS, the link you posted has nothing to do with my GPS issue.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ehe12:
also where are you? I'm really curious how good your phone's GPS is. If you live in UK, would you mind come over to my place and show me?

I live in Manchester. If anyone has a SGS with fully functioning GPS, could you contact me and let me see how good your GPS is? I'm really interested to know if "Good GPS" really exists.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] milsjg:
Sorry Sweden, However try to get hold of a phone with a different operator. Did not htc have a specific problem with Telestra (I do not know

If I spelled it right)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] atomas7:
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Hi, i'm from Lisbon Portugal and i make the froyo 2.2 upgrade and the GPS problem continue...

This is a Hardware GPS problem, thats why samsung says nothing about it after 6 months...

They are writing about GPS fix with froyo 2.2, but it's fake, the problem continues and is worst than in my last version JP8 2.1..... aaaahhhhhhrrrrgggghhhh that stupid samsung mobile....
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Bynar010:
1. TERRIBLE thread title. Extremely misleading.

2. What a surprise on he comes to tell us all we're expecting too much from our GPS, why do some people have working GPS, blah-de-blah-de-blah. Jesus man, you are like a stuck record. Have you seen just how many threads there are around the internet, and news articles on tech forums about this issue. Why is it so hard for you to fathom that this problem might actually exist? Its like some personal crusade you are on to convince us we're all mad!!! Now I may be mad, but I know what I can expect from a phone GPS unit, and this ain't it. My old Tytn II puts this thing to shame on the GPS front, never mind my Touch HD.

But moaning over.

Seems to me its pot luck whether you have one that actually works properly or not. Today mine was actually not too bad, except it was jumping around tesco car park when I was driving past it on a straight main road, and then when I started on the windey downhill road with a few trees around the side of the road it shat itself and had me 100s of meters away in the park not even moving the right direction for about 2-3 minutes. All the time the blue circle in google maps nav seemed to think it had my position nailed on, ie no blue accuracy circle on show.

I'm just gonna say sod it, why waste my time sending it off for repair when theres at best a 50% chance it will come back in working condition, think I'm gonna limp on for a few months and then get shot and say no to Samsung forever.

If yours works to your expectations then lucky you, enjoy it.

If you are one of the many people with ****e GPS then I have every sympathy for you, don't let the haters on here break you down and make you accept the poor quality thats on show here, I sincerely hope some of you manage to get some joy out of that shower they call Samsung.

This is one of the little snippets they sent onto me -

"Google Maps does not have pinpoint accuracy; its accuracy is up to 100

meters, if you require pinpoint accuracy, kindly refer to the Android

Market to be able to download a navigation system."

Laughable, what a set of jokers. This is the company that used google maps navigation as a selling point for the phone.

Oh and "final solution"....WOWSERS, as if you used those words. Not a history fan I take it......
[Galaxy S I9000 General] SkinBobUk:
Well said. Glad someone agrees with me and speaks some sense.

Sent From My GT-Iphone-killer almost.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] allotrios:
my gps works fine

on eclair JM9 at the moment

but it was ok on JPO too

not so good on JF3
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ehe12:
I've tried more than 5 navigation softwares. Google maps, orange maps, igo my way, copilot, ndrive, navigon. None of them is working properly.

I don't see the point you are suggesting in your reply. Live with the poor gps? No way. I pay 32 pounds per months for 12 months plus 99 pounds for the phone, i expect every function of the phone works like a charm. If not why would i pay for it? Because i have extra money to waste? No man.

No!

Unless samsung fix the problem, i will return the phone for sure!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Bynar010:
I said I was giving up and hope the rest of you soldier on and get some joy. I wasn't suggesting you or anyone else just lives with it. You do absolutely right to take this to samsungs door. :o)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] compuse:
*sigh*

Lame reaction, sending it in several times, .. finding it's a service of your provider..

The GPS definitely IS working, a shame that the quality isn't what you expected from it.

Samsung would be insane responding to this constant whining, and for their own pride, they should give up on the sgs fully.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ehe12:
why would they replace my phone 3 times? because there's something wrong they can't deny. samsung has responded if you read my thread carefully. they asked me to bring my phone to local store for a check.

samsung gives up sgs? i will give up samsung. that's it. the gps definitely is not working on my phone and the rest 3 phones i returned and a lot of people's phones.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] krs360:
You owe me 5 minutes of internet - That is how long I spent reading this thread looking for your "final solution".

Go get a dictionary and look up "solution".

Maybe you should also look up what "final solution" generally refers to - what exactly are you suggesting?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ehe12:
i'm suggesting everyone who has gps problem with their galaxy s, go to samsung and ask for a solution! either exchange it for a working one, or refund it!

if you are happy paying more than 300 pounds and get such poor GPS phone, that your business.

I looked through the dictionary,solution means something to fix your problem. Do what I suggested, samsung will have to fix it for you, that's a solution you receive, it doesn't mean you have to perform something on software setting or hardware change.

The other "solution" you looked for is you will have to either change the GPS chip on the mainboard or change the GPS aerial, which is too complicated for you to perform.

Or you can refund it, then pay 99 pounds get an orange san francisco for better GPS performance!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ehe12:
Useless setting on my 6th replacement. Contacted orange again and they told me they will start an investigation on what's with this phone. Next monday they will call me back to provide a solution, either fix the phone for me or exchange me a different model.

Today went out on highway, tested gps on both galaxy s and orange san francisco, within 30 mins driving the orange san francisco worked like a charm, no delay, no flaw; galaxy s on the other hand, lost signal for more than 6 times, showed me driving out of the highway...really upset and thought it only fair if gps performance should be better on galaxy s due to much much higher price. Well it's opposite... I would be glad if monday they exchange me a different phone and put an end to the terrible experience i had with this phone...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] SkinBobUk:
Let us know if they do exchange it for you, and let us know what for.

Im half tempted to kick up a fuss myself and do the same, but i don't see any other android phone currently in the same league. The screen, size and speed of the sgs seems a lot better to me than an thing else.

Sent From My GT-Iphone-killer almost.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] aadis:
I change two setting accuracy is zero and ms. mode and my phone working with good accuracy and now I am able to use my phone for navigation.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ehe12:
Orange has confirmed that the gps issue on galaxy s was from manufacturer, samsung!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] SkinBobUk:
How have they confirmed it exactly? Have they had a letter from Samsung, etc.

Most of the time with orange I've found they just tell people what they want to hear.

I find it odd that Samsung would be telling carriers there is an issue, But out telling the actual consumers.

Sent From My GT-Iphone-killer almost.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] dk206:
Seriously? Orange UK?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ehe12:
because I've replaced my phone for 5 times and I still report GPS problem. They finally got me through some technical support team. I was told that they did some test on the GPS and tried to come out a solution but failed. Finally they told me it's a manufacturing problem that they couldn't do anything about and even they replace it for me again I would still get the same problem.

They offered me another phone, HTC Desire. I'm considering. Should I accept it?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ehe12:
yes i'm damn serious. Orange uk has offered me to exchange my current phone with htc desire. I'm thinking about it.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] dk206:
ehe are you on orange UK Froyo? Eclair?

Or stock froyo?

I'm on orange UK too. Have had this phone for a month now.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] marvinhemstock:
gps works fine on my galaxy s never a problem locks within 20/30 seconds.

but dont use it for nav i have seperate sat nav. samsung galaxy s sat nav is a compromise as its only a mobile phone when all said and done.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ehe12:
yes i'm on orange uk, my current firmware is froyo jpo.

I'm having this phone for over 2-3 months and there's always a problem on the gps. I reported couple weeks ago cause i was told by samsung technicians that the froyo will fix everything. I was disappointed to find out it's a lie. So i kept complaining, got the phone replaced 5 times and finally orange started to get serious and investigate my case. Now since they cannot fix the problem for me, they offered me htc desire as an option. I was gonna ask for desire hd, but i realised it would be a lot more phone call to orange customer service and it's quite tiring...so i decide to take desire and i'm now waiting for the delivery...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Logicalstep:
OMFG.

What is it with people saying 'it Lock in 30 seconds' Yes we know it doesn't

Now try driving with it to a destination further than an hour away. along the way you will jump to many different roads running besides you and if you take a different turning your GPs will take two to three times longer than a Touch Hd to find you and redirect.

My phone has 2.1 a colleague 2.2, we took his on a trip and what do you know it was better....for a short while. Then it all started to go wrong, same issues with lack of accuracy and as a result lack of timely redirection as per 2.1.

I'm convinced this is a real problem and after seeing all these threads and all these people complaining and the result between mine on 2.1 and my colleagues phones, I'm convinced Samsung messed up big time, I think this is a hardware issue and they are denying all knowledge because it'll ruing their flagship phones great sales.

I also believe that probably 80 percent of SGS users, probably don;t use their phone for real sat nav and so wouldn't see the issues.

My phone is going back and if Orange get any equivalent phones I'll think about a replacement.

SGS is a great phone, but the GPS has meant it it not usable for me.

Logicalstep
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ghosty_uk:
in defense of the OP, i have had my phone replaced (1 week after i got it) due to crap gps, i even did the *#*#1472365#*#* test in front of the manager of the store, who was very suprised that the 2 phones could work so differently. however this was a stationary test, since then i have found out that there are more bugs in the gps than ants in an ant farm.

even on this second phone im having issues, i have switched over to Ndrive, and the signal still wanders over the place, i actually did a test a few months ago when i went to stockport to visit my sister, it got all the way to just off the m1 before it was sending me the wrong way, fortunatly i had my touch HD with me as well, this has garmin on it, and that locked and directed flawlessly for the rest of the trip, however the SGS was totally ferked.

what the origional poster is trying to say is he has paid for a device that should he wish should be at least able to outperform a 2 yr old phone with gps, as supposedly the chip in ours is better, where infact it just plain sucks. i will be sending mine back to samsung in the new year (as i no longer have my touch HD), and if there cant get it to perform at least as good as that (my dad has one so i can compare), then they will be getting it back, not oly for a refund of the phone but also for the refund of the 18 months left to run on my contract.

im not saying there are not some good ones out there, hell i nearly got a flawless track with this one, but it has progressivly gotten worse, to the point it now take over 2 mins to lock if at all.

op can you let me know how you get on as i will need to prove that im not alone i this. oh and fyi, my phone is stock JM1 (upgraded via kies), with only apps and lagfix installed, i have not touched the gps settings at all.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lew1s:
Hi, i tried to do the chewitt installer but after framework install my phone is still restarting at SE. aaaaaaa, i cant do anything.

please help me somebody? please please
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Jayyy:
Hey guys, just a quick question with android on HD2, i was wondering if the battery drain with bluetooth on for phone drain alot of battery ? lets say i get like 60-120ma easy on standby with my jawbone connected, auto sync and gps wifi , data etc all on. is taht normal? or is tehre a way to get it down to 6-7ma?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dazza9075:
ok, Ive been using both android and WM 6.5.3 and frankly i couldnt think of a better combo, Ive spent months try to decide which one to move too and in all cases neither one wins out overall, then it hit me, why do i need to have one OS!

Android does everything i need socially, and WM covers everything i need for work and roaming the mountains so Id love to keep both

I guess what im asking you developers given that progress getting android and NAND working is this, will there be continued support for having android running from SD

so over to you guys!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] rumpleforeskin:
interesting point, but i think android running from SD is sufficiently well progressed that if there were no more releases it would not be a major problem.

There current builds a very good for day to day use.

I would like to see WM ruinning from SD on android devices, because like many here I have inversted alot of time with winmo and have many apps that can not be easy replaced on android.

And because there is very slim chance of there being annother winmo 6.5 device ionly see a future with my next phone being android, so it would be great to have the option to roll back to WM every once ina while to use that app that you cant get anywhere else.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dazza9075:
that is a good point, i hadnt considered that option but makes perfect sence as well, like yourself i have many much needed WM apps whichwill never exist on android so that option would equally be valid, my only issue would be i couldnt test this out for any length of time as i do need WM apps almost daily, after hours and out of work its always android running
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dcheng11:
is there anyway to dualboot android from nand? people dualboot windows and linux on a pc without needing to use a live cd every time. i don't know the specifics, but personally, i'd love to dualboot windows and android both from nand. while i just about always use android, there are times when i need winmo (few, but they do exist). that said, i'm still keen toward the benefits of having android running from nand (better battery life, no need to boot into winmo to transfer files, etc.)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] tmihai20:
I think NAND installation should be more important when an actual build will behave like it does on an Android native phone. HD2 with Android still can't record video at 720p and it still have occasional problems with camera flash. Sometimes 3G connection disconnects. When we will have a 110% working Android build for HD2 we should seriously think about flashing Android to HD2 NAND.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] sp33dy_gtx:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=836721

It is possibe to flash via recovery on meedeejay clean sense v 2.3 ? I don't know how to, maybe somebody can help me.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] arkatis:
Yes it's possible!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] sp33dy_gtx:
omg i'am asking how
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] kam333:
dont have the exact answer for you, though there is an alternative if you dont have any luck with your original query.

you could try Mysettings: http://jqsoft.blogspot.com/2010/03/mysettings.html

its free to dl from the market, has a notification bar icon and gives you a few more options than the default power widget.