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[Android Apps and Games] wvcachi:
He didn't finish this sentence...it should have read:

"If you're not an accepted beta tester, you'll just need to wait patiently . . . for Swype to rake in maximum dollars from the carriers and/or device manufacturers whose phones we have exclusive deals to pre-install swype on. After the carriers/device manufacturers lose interest and it's no longer more profitable to do that than sell it in the market (2013 perhaps?), we'll reward you for your gullibili--uh, I mean "patience" and announce that swype is "up to our high standards to come out of beta" and be sold in the market. Hang in there - your patience will be rewarded, soldier!"
[Android Apps and Games] sgt. slaughter:
You guys need to open up and let xda in on the testing here. If you want your product to be put through the runs and properly reported on in your forums then no better group then what is here. I get the excuse of not having the staff to accomidate all the reports if you were to put it on the android market with the number of users there would be but the words "wait patiently" should never be used in regards to swype. Its been closed forever and there hasn't been a single instance that anyone has given the slightest info of it being released in any way.

One would think that with all the people asking for the keyboard that you would just put it out in the market as a beta for $1, and refer people to the forum for bugs. For the amount of people that get the cracked versions for free that are NOT in the Beta theres an awful lot of $ to be made out there. That is of course if there isn't any secret agreement with the big companies to keep it out of the market, but i want to say last that was reported it was merely b/c of lack of support staff. put it in the market and you can hire a big support staff.
[Android Apps and Games] neatchee:
I wish I could be more clear than "wait patiently" but you'll just have to trust me that good things come to those who wait. I really and truly mean it. You will NOT be disappointed if you just. Wait. A little. Longer.

Also I want to clarify a misconception:

We will NEVER EVER EVER be "coming out of beta." Because, you see, that's a misuse of the term "beta." And we aren't misusing it like that. Allow me to explain...

The community at large has come to understand that "beta" means "pre-release version where we fix the last few remaining bugs before our final release." That's not accurate. That's called a "release candidate." THE SWYPE BETA IS NOT A RELEASE CANDIDATE. IT NEVER HAS BEEN AND IT NEVER WILL BE. The BETA program for Swype is a place where we test new code, get feedback on new features, and try things that we otherwise wouldn't feel comfortable trying in our OEM distributions. Hell, we might start calling it an "alpha" or "experimental build" if that clears things up.

Now, with that said, please. PLEASE I BEG YOU, just wait it out. The only thing I can think of to make it any clearer is this:

I'm the Community Relations Specialist & Beta Admin. I just went from being an independent contractor to being hired on as a full time employee. I'm moving from New York City, where I currently live (remember, our HQ is in Seattle, so I've been working from home), to North Carolina where SwypeInc has conveniently opened a brand new office. I'm going to Raleigh in the morning (tuesday 11/16) for three days to look for apartments.

K? Swype <3s you guys. I <3 you guys. I was an XDA user before I worked for Swype. We promise - I promise - that we're going to do right by all of you. But corporations move about as fast as mountains :P Just remember, I always got your back :)

EDIT: Oh, and for the record, the beta was last open in June. It's been 5 months. I never realized that 5 months = forever ;D
[Android Apps and Games] ryanalan82:
Thank you for responding, I am sorry to have been using cracked versions of swype as are others on xda. I only do so because it did not come preinstalled on my evo, as do many others for the same reason. This will be the last unofficial version I will download or use until it is officially released, as the major improvements on this latest version are as near perfect as I can hope for. I will be one of the first to gladly pay for swype as soon as it's released as will most of the others here on xda. Thank you for letting us know good things are to come.

Swyped from my Evo
[Android Apps and Games] wvcachi:
I think Swype's an amazing keyboard, and that it (and its clones) will soon dominate the smartphone market . . . but since this isn't a swype customer support forum, and I didn't come on here to be part of a polite swype PR session, I'm not going to treat it like it is one.

Beta, Release Candidate . . . in this case, I see it as a convenient label for a company to slap on what was basically a smart business decision: Swype decided that their keyboard was ready enough to ship pre-installed on the Samsung Galaxy S, the Motorola Droid X, and the Motorola Droid 2 (did I miss any?) . . .

Is there a disclaimer on the marketing for these devices saying "Swype isn't even in the Release Candidate phase of development yet, so please be patient with our buggy app"? 'HELL' to the 'NO'.

This was marketed as a selling feature on these phones. Swype was obviously well-compensated for this, and Swype obviously wouldn't be well-compensated for this if just anyone could either enter an open beta, or push the little Market icon on their homescreens and buy Swype for a few bucks.

I'm not knockin' ya. Make your Benjamins. We're all doin' it . . . Just don't take us for f@#$ing idiots who gobble up any bit of spin you throw at us, in the name of saintly patience.

You say "patience" as if it holds some great reward for our troubles. What exactly would that be? Don't enjoy cracked Swype now, and you'll enjoy purchased Swype more later? What reason do I have to not Google my way right to the "naughty forums" and file sharing sites where Swype apk's are as prevalent as the dollars Swype is swimming in from their exclusive deals? How exactly is waiting patiently for your exclusive deals to expire going to benefit me??

Oh, that's right - when that came up in the board meeting, they said "we'll send Brian to troll the forums and talk them out of it. He's good at that."

Your rhetorical tactics, based on supposed absolutes of being patient, toughing it out, and waiting for the sun to rise, have been used throughout history by political, religious, and corporate leaders to keep the peons moving in the direction they want them to. I'm sure it works on twitter, but I'd like to believe that the majority of xda members are smarter than that.
[Android Apps and Games] mcmikecruz1:
Swyped from my Evo using XDA App
[Android Apps and Games] neatchee:
In the words of the boss from the Incredibles...

I mean, I'm not gonna sit here and tell you you're wrong a) because it wouldn't do any good, you've got your opinions (clearly) and b) it'd be disingenuous. I'll tell you flat out that the beta is a solid 75% "keep them happy" influenced. Nobody is trying to hide that fact.

All I'm asking is that you give us the opportunity to do things the right way. We need to make money (as you said yourself) and we need to release things in a way that doesn't make that more difficult for us. I'm not trying to "spin" anything here, and tbh nobody told me to do anything. I pretty much have free reign to exercise my own discretion when it comes to thou forum types :) I gave a cheeky response to someone who was flagrantly, openly asking for pirated software on a forum that has explicit rules against sharing pirated software. So sue me.

Do we know our software gets pirated? Absolutely. Do we prefer if people don't pirate it? Obviously. What more can I say?

You also make the GRAVE mistake of assuming that the version we release on our OEM devices is the same version we release as BETA. Take a good look at the various version numbers out there. We have "stable" releases, and "unstable" releases, just like CyanogenMod. We've never put an "unstable" release on an OEM device. We put unstable version out as beta all the time :P

At the end of the day, to get to what seems to be your core point, I'm not asking you to "not enjoy cracked swype now so you can enjoy official swype later." I'm asking you to just stop being so angry at SwypeInc, really. When I said "be patient" I wasn't trying to tell you that "you're being bad evil people wah wah wah wah wah." I was trying to tell you that SwypeInc AREN'T being as evil and manipulative as you're making us out to be, and that if you withhold your judgments a little while longer, I'll prove it to you.

Oh, and last but not least, you do an awful lot of WHINING for someone who's BREAKING THE LAW AND GETTING WHAT THEY WANT ANYWAY. Just thought I'd point that out.

EDIT: And to be 100% clear: There is no secret agreement/contract that prevents us from putting Swype on the market or leaving the beta open permanently. WE make that choice. Because even if we started selling on the market TOMORROW, the revenue wouldn't pay our bills for a looooong time. We'd be out of business before we got the first check from Google. Pardon me if we choose not to piss off the people who ARE currently paying our bills.
[Android Apps and Games] wvcachi:
That was all I was asking for. Now you're expressing yourself as part of a (hopefully) intelligent and frank discussion, not like a White House Press Secretary talking about the economy. You even went for a "BURN!" there at the end (and not a bad one, as I am pretty whiney).

Cheers!
[Android Apps and Games] neatchee:
Glad I could provide what you were looking for ;)

EDIT: Oh, and one last thing I want to throw in here:

Those of you who ARE in the beta but use pirate versions anyway (because it's easier to install, I assume) are doing more harm than good. Yeah, you may be getting Swype on YOUR device right now, but you're making the process MUCH longer for us. We have a beta because we need the feedback (believe me, if it were ONLY about keeping people happy, it'd be MUCH different than it is now. I've had a pretty big hand in that). Using the cracked versions keeps that feedback from getting to us, and ANY developments that might happen take just that much longer. Just sayin.
[Android Apps and Games] sgt. slaughter:
Welcome to Raleigh bud! Great place to live imho, but i may be a tad biased, haha

Had no idea they put an office here, where abouts exactly? there is an abudance of NYC'rs here in NC, esp. in Cary btw if you go hunting in that area.

btw, to be upfront I use swype on my evo and am not in the Beta and understand its not something Swype is extremely happy about. Thing is, you guys have made an amazing keyboard, one of which isn't a "paid app" in the market so using a DL version I dont see the big big issue with as its not taking away form your revenue stream like people that pirate the paid apps which is a big no no imho. So in the end to be honest I'll continue to use swype as its something i can't go without on my Evo, and also will not expect any kind of support whatsoever. Again just being honest here, if it were a paid app in the market you'd see me being one of the first to pay for it.

Best of luck with the new job, and can't wait to see what you guys muster up in the long run.
[Android Apps and Games] neatchee:
Thanks Sarge :)

The new office is right in the middle of the RTP corporate park. If you know Java and Android, we're hiring :D Lots of experience in the mobile industry is a plus :P

Most of the apartments I'm looking at are in Durham proper, as that seems to be the most "urban" area of that region, and I'm told will give me the least culture-shock in my migration from NYC, heh. All I know is that after the real-estate prices in NYC, EVERYTHING in North Carolina looks good, heheheh.
[Android Apps and Games] Paul22000:
So are you saying that Swype will eventually be available to non-OEM-pre-installed devices like the Nexus One etc?

I think that's what you're trying to insinuate but I just want to make things crystal clear :D
[Android Apps and Games] blackroseMD1:
Thanks for the info neatchee. I'll admit, as well, to using downloaded versions of Swype. It's easily the best keyboard available for the EVO, and now that you guys have added the Voice to Text option, it's pretty much perfect. I've been having a little back and forth with you guys Twitter account over you guys making Swype available to everyone, and from what I'm reading, that may happen sooner than later.

I'm signed up for the beta as well, so if you guys ever open it up again, I can't wait to get in there and be able to use legit copies as opposed to having to scour the internet.

Again, thanks for coming in here and having a civilized discourse with us XDA members. :)
[Android Apps and Games] koreancanuck:
I'm just wondering when the next beta phase will open. I will gladly use the beta version if I can give feedback and have the market release date 5 seconds earlier. As soon as swype hits market, it'll be one of the few apps that I buy.
[Android Apps and Games] avgjoemomma:
Signed up for the beta and have not gotten in yet. This must be the most exclusive beta in the universe. I managed to get into *real* alphas for other companies which required tests and surveys to be completed before accepting testers. If Swype wants to receive good feedback perhaps they should add more savvy users to their testing base:confused:
[Android Apps and Games] stanleyrw:
I''d just like to point out a little discrepancy since the majority of my fellow Americans continually misunderstand our legal system.

The term "breaking the law" in America means "active participation in a criminal act."

That said...

Excerpt of US Copyright Code § 506 - Criminal offenses 6 (American piracy laws are similar except in the punishment phases)

(a) Criminal Infringement. —

(1) In general. — Any person who willfully infringes a copyright shall be punished as provided under section 2319 of title 18, if the infringement was committed —

(A) for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain;

(B) by the reproduction or distribution, including by electronic means, during any 180-day period, of 1 or more copies or phonorecords of 1 or more copyrighted works, which have a total retail value of more than $1,000; or

(C) by the distribution of a work being prepared for commercial distribution, by making it available on a computer network accessible to members of the public, if such person knew or should have known that the work was intended for commercial distribution.

What is my point?

This is my point...

Sharing or distributing pirated software is a violation of the criminal codes and therefore illegal and therefore "breaking the law."

USING pirated software is a violation of the CIVIL codes and is therefore neither illegal NOR "breaking the law." It is merely a civil matter and not a criminal one.

So... No one is breaking the law and maybe you should LEARN the law before accusing someone of breaking it.

LOL...

EDIT:

If you don't believe me ask yourself one question.

Why did the RIAA merely sue file downloaders and not also press charges? ;)

Exactly...
[Android Apps and Games] sorlan:
Swype vs SlideIT, the winner is....

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=762474
[Android Apps and Games] kerobaros:
I managed to sign up for the beta the last time it was open, but having never known about the 'Generating license' bit in the installer, I've never had a working version on my phone. (Originally a Cliq, now a Nexus One)

That being said, I just installed the current version, played around... holy crap, guys, this keyboard is amazing.

Kudos to SwypeInc for making good software, and kudos to neatchee for pressing the flesh with the public. Next time I'm in R-D visiting family, I'm buying you all beers. (And hell yes, I'm buying Swype as soon as it hits the market.)
[Android Apps and Games] Infinitum:
When will Swype support QVGA and Scandinavian keyboard layout?
[Android Apps and Games] sorlan:
SlideIT Support Scandinavian keyboard layout

SlideIT Support Scandinavian keyboard layout and all screen sizes,

You can find it on the Market :)
[Android Apps and Games] p-slim:
you are 100% correct. I'm trying to figure out what he explained that everyone is saying thank you for. all he said was continue to wait, and gave no info that we didn't already know. then at the end he says 5 months isnt forever. I'm sorry if you have a beta open up every 6 months, that is a very long time. in one year we've already gone from 2.1, 2.2, and now 2.3 so yeah 5-6 months for a swype beta does seem like forever when we've already gotten 2 OS updates. also to the guy who said that non beta users using the app slows down progress is a retard? how is more people testing your app going to slow down development? if anything you will find bugs faster. I use unlocked swype apps till swype gets their head out of there ass and opens up the beta again. 5 months ago the evo wasn't even out yet
[Android Apps and Games] wvcachi:
In addition to the link about Swype vs. SlideIt that this member posted earlier on this page, this sounds eerily like a trolling advertisement for SlideIt . . . in fact, EVERY one of this author's posts on xda are about hyping up SlideIt.

Maybe he just really likes it and is trying to be helpful--or maybe he's just trolling . . . Either way, I, for one, didn't come on the thread about the latest Swype beta to hear a troll or fanboy spam us with info about a trace keyboard clone (one which, incidentally, I didn't like at all).
[Android Apps and Games] neatchee:
1. That was me

2. I never said anything about people pirating swype who AREN'T in the beta. I SPECIFICALLY said that people who ARE in the beta and pirate anyway (for ease of installation) are slowing development progress.

3. My point was that those people who pirate are NOT contributing to development because a) they aren't reporting bugs on our forums, and b) even if they WERE reporting bugs, we couldn't use their info because we would have no way of knowing whether it was a problem with our software or a problem with the modifications made by the person who posted the pirated version

Please read more carefully, kthx? :)

Also, in terms of the "5 months not being a long time" conversation, you're trying to compare a company with 50 employees - only a handful of whom are developers - to GOOGLE. Not a fair comparison, mi amigo.
[Android Apps and Games] ryanalan82:
Just curious, would you guys at swype want any feedback from cracked version users? Cause I would be happy to check in and write up anything that comes up. And the people in the beta, that are using the cracked versions does defeat the purpose and should just contact swype for a solution

Swyped from my Evo
[Android Apps and Games] SiL3nTKiLL:
def gonna try this!
[Android Apps and Games] KGBxxx:
We should be able to edit the dictionary. Why we can't is beyond me. So many simple things that would make swype better are being neglected. Still it has its good moments.
[Android Apps and Games] Adevem:
go to the swype forums, I've made a post on all feature requests.
[Android Apps and Games] Infinitum:
I dont like the keyboard design on the SlideIT, i think the app looks ugly. I rather have Swype :)
[Android Apps and Games] sharper4:
Sure wish I could find an apk of the installer to install a program that I found on the internet. For some reason its not a single apk anymore, but rather a folder containing additional files. Would be really cool if someone could share how to actually install the thing.
[Android Apps and Games] wvcachi:
If you aren't in the closed beta, I don't think the swype installer is going to get you anywhere, no matter what file you have.

Though obviously many of us are using cracked copies of the swype beta, we can't exactly discuss troubleshooting for them here hehe.
[Android Apps and Games] Adevem:
;)

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[Android Apps and Games] otijhuis:
re:

Well, I did get into the beta but it's rather useless since it doesn't support Dutch.

I'd love to use it and provide feedback but why doesn't it support languages that are available with swype versions that come preinstalled like on the galaxy s?

The beta is supposed to contain new features. Well, I'd actually like to see more existing features like more languages first.

Btw, switching between languages with a long press is a pain. Lots of people use both English and their native language. Swiftkey handles that very nicely for instance.
[Android Apps and Games] neatchee:
Part of it is a licensing issue. We contract with our partners for language development, so the language dictionaries aren't entirely our own to distribute as we please. We have to get the approval of the partners taking part in certain language development before we can redistribute it at will.

As for quick language switching, there are two features for this:

1. Long-press the "Q" key to bring up the language selection window quickly.

2. On newer builds, you can swype from the SWYPE key to the Q key to toggle between your two most recently used languages.
[Android Apps and Games] otijhuis:
The swyping to switch languages would indeed be much better. Haven't really been able to try it yet because of the lack of dutch support. Pressing Q, waiting, then scrolling to switch languages isn't exactly fast and quite a pain since I regularly have to mix dutch/english in the same sentence.

It's a real shame about the licensing issues. I'd love to use swype as my main keyboard but I switch between english and dutch constantly. Changing keyboards all the time isn't really an option. Hopefully dutch will be supported soon in a newer build.
[Android Apps and Games] bteljuice:
I can't for the LOVE OF ME disable this DAMN POP UP.

How on earth do I disable this annoying pop up "

TIPS" "HIDDEN WORD". Its annoying as hell and i unticked everything in the settings and i still get it. I want to remove this POP UP.

OK OK I GET THE HINT, NOW STOP POPPING EVERY SINGLE TIME
[Android Apps and Games] blackroseMD1:
I don't think you can disable it. I've tried everything too, and have never been able to do so.
[Android Apps and Games] bteljuice:
Damn. It is Annoying as HELL!!!!!!!!

lol
[Android Apps and Games] MrBusiness:
Yes this is really annoying.

Same goes for the super information "swype is not activated in password fields" every day I must see that damn pop up!
[Android Apps and Games] wvcachi:
I actually find this popup useful, and it's helped me learn of crap words to delete from the dictionary...but I completely see how it could get annoying like it has for you guys, and agree that having the option to toggle it would make everyone happy.
[Android Apps and Games] neatchee:
The hidden word popup is something we've heard plenty of negativity about. It serves an important function, as wvcachi points out, but it could probably use a makeover :P Look for changes to the feature in a future build.
[Android Apps and Games] chanw4:
They should add a don't show this msg again option tbh. Its kinda annoying when you are typing a message and then some msg popups./
[Android Apps and Games] Adevem:
please remove the password pop up and hidden words pop up. we get the point already!

and let us hide voice input button please. I'm.hitting.the..more.nowadays....
[Android Apps and Games] neatchee:
Why are you tapping spaces and punctuation at all? Swype automatically fills in spaces; just swype the next word and it'll do the spaces automatically. And punctuation gestures are the way to go when needed. Instead of tapping period, then tapping space, just swype from the period to the space. Works for other common punctuation as well. The whole list can be found in the built-in help index.
[Android Apps and Games] Adevem:
symbols.

example: swype is awesome ;D.but surely you can see what i mean ;p.i tend to hit them more than ever compared to the previous versions. -wink-.surely it's clear now lol.

- of course i can go back and edit them but that's not the point of swype is it. anyway, whether i hit the period key more often than so or not, it's never a bad idea to enable "hide/show voice input key"