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[myTouch 4G General] bobsbbq:
This is all very interesting, but I would like to see a side by side comparison if possible both at the same viewing angles etc.

There is a little reflective washed out area in the clock widgets even in btbuck1's picture just not quite as much. This could be very dependent on brightness and viewing angles.

For myself I replaced mine and got one shipped with 2.2.1 my settings bar is definitely gray but at a great angle you will see the clock widgets where the top half meets the bottom half a little washed out.

The other thing I noticed is the launcher bar on btbuck1's photos seem to be a darker back where mine turn a more gray color when at a angle.

PS for some of you on a laptop the pictures of periwinkle might not show up as good. I had the same problem and went to my better desktop display and the colors are very different.

I have about 10 more days in my remorse period so I will keep and eye on this. I would love to see a more definite comparison as to make my case when returning this one.
[myTouch 4G General] btbuck1:
I wish this were true, it'd be easier to seperate the good from the bad. My Plum MT4G i have at the moment came with 2.2 and has the richer color display. I opened up like 6 black MT4G's all having come with 2.2.1 and they all had the washed out screen.
[myTouch 4G General] bobsbbq:
btbuck1 I know it would feel awkward but do you think you could go in to a store and take a picture side by side? If they say anything just tell them you are taking a picture to show the difference in color for a friend for a Christmas gift and you want to give a good picture of the plum etc.

Try to use same background backlight settings etc.
[myTouch 4G General] btbuck1:
I thought about doing it. I Actually used to be a manager at a local T-Mobile, so I know everyone there (possibly even more embaressing) but the other problem with that is, it's difficult to tell a difference in bright lighting. and those stores typically have all those flourescent bulbs blazing in there. I have tipped off engadget to this, so hopefully they consider this "News worthy" they have always posted stories like this in the past.

In the meantime I will try and get some comparos. also if anyone with a MT4G lives in the N.County San Diego area and would like to come over, we can take pics and post them up.
[myTouch 4G General] bobsbbq:
That would be great if possible. Here are my pics and I think it is easier to see from the side. Maybe btbuck1 can you take a picture from the side?

I used my digital camera in macro mode with no flash. What are your thoughts?

EDIT: My wifes phone which came with 2.2 is the same as mine.
[myTouch 4G General] vw671:
The problem here is we don't know how many MT4Gs where made with "good" LCDs. If they only made a few hundred out of 10 of thousands then finding one would be almost impossible.
[myTouch 4G General] btbuck1:
here you go!

(tried to make my mainpage look as much like yours as possible).

Main thing i see right away, how frosty your numbers get on weather widget clock. Mine stay true (black).
[myTouch 4G General] bobsbbq:
Thanks it looks to me there is a distinct difference in the contrast and black colors. I'm assuming you have not done any mods for contrast etc.

For ease of viewing I have placed the two pictures next to each other. My pictures are on the top. btbuck's pictures are on the bottom.

PS: Send this picture to engadget.

Thanks for your help btbuck1, I hope this helps a lot of people.
[myTouch 4G General] btbuck1:
yeah, and my angle is even more extreme than your first pic....
[myTouch 4G General] DADDYDC650:
Hope you two don't mind but I went ahead and posted the pictures over @ the official MT4G forum. I'm sure a lot of folks would be interested in seeing the difference.

BTW, did you both have your MT4G's set at the same brightness level? How about camera settings?
[myTouch 4G General] btbuck1:
No problem at all...can you link us?
[myTouch 4G General] btbuck1:
I always use auto brightness.
[myTouch 4G General] laztpn0i:
That is a big difference. What are the chances of me getting the good screen if I order now. I'm thinking of doing the bogo deal they are having.
[myTouch 4G General] btbuck1:
I originally got mine direct from T-mobile (a friend is an employee and ordered it for me on their discount) and, my other friend who is an employee got his through the employee site. They both came with the good screen.

My guess is the crappy ones are in retail stores at the moment...the better ones are at t-mobile online (newer shipments).

But this is just a guess.
[myTouch 4G General] laztpn0i:
Yea! This was what I was thinking also. Hopefully the newer orders will have the better screens. If not we can always exchange within the remorse period.

Now does anybody have comparison pics with the G2?
[myTouch 4G General] btbuck1:
good, or bad? I think the good screens are at a minimum on par with G2 screens...if not Better. The Bad ones, don't even compare IMHO.
[myTouch 4G General] bobsbbq:
No problem for me me.

My brightness was set to Auto as well.
[myTouch 4G General] DADDYDC650:
http://forums.t-mobile.com/t5/myTouch-4G/quot-Inferior-quot-display-vs-quot-superior-quot-pictures/m-p/592455/highlight/false#M8947. Thanks goes out to both of you.
[myTouch 4G General] $pitacular1:
My buddy and I both have brand new MT4G's. I had the washed out screen on my first one - dropped it, shattered it. My new phone has the better screen, and it's viewable from any angle, not just "dead-on".

The gray/perriwinkle comparison is accurate. My buddy's has the washed out screen - I compared them side to side and my settings bar is gray, his perriwinkle.

He's pissed lol
[myTouch 4G General] btbuck1:
would be awesome if you could get some good side by side photos of his and yours together....i'm also trying to get a washed out one to take pics in comparison as well.

thanks for the input $pitacular1!
[myTouch 4G General] bobsbbq:
I think I'm going to try a plum one tomorrow. How many people have a good contrast display that are purple? Or what color due you have? I have only had Red and Black both were the same
[myTouch 4G General] Jon C:
See? I told you that clock widget makes a great benching tool! :p

Your pictures sum it up. That's exactly what I saw with mine. I tried my best to describe it, but it's good to have some pictures to help others notice it.

But like I said, if you try dimming the desk clock, the 'washed-out' display comes out on top, performance-wise.

I prefer the darker display, with rich colors and better black levels. But having them both, side-by-side, I would've taken either one for different reasons. Another weird side-effect of the nice SLCD that I've noticed: there is a significant amount of vertical 'dithering' in the 3D gallery (screw that stock HTC app without Picasa support), when you load up a picture. I don't notice this at all with the 'washed-out' display, and I must say, I find it to be pretty annoying.

The OCD 'Swap-Out':

Just a word of warning to people trying to exchange for different units: the Black Finish unit has sold the most, so far -- followed by Plum (by a large margin). Your best bet in 'new stock' is probably the Black phone.
[myTouch 4G General] bobsbbq:
Well Maybe who knows but I have had 2 black ones and one red one and they all had the washed out look. The last black one I got came with 2.2.1 so it was relatively new.
[myTouch 4G General] Jon C:
Out of three powered-on myTouch 4G's (black), I've only had one with the supposed 'superior' display. Don't know if that helps you any, but it seems as if the 'washed-out' one may be more common?

I had that same screen on both of my G2's. :confused:

I would maybe just ask the reps at the store if you could just power on a few phones and look at them in-store. Just crank the brightness up and tilt the phone with the HTC clock widget. It's super easy to spot. It will either blow out the whites, or it won't.
[myTouch 4G General] bobsbbq:
Yeah I would like to but the reps and managers I talked to said they could not break the seal on them just to test different ones. I'll just have to keep trying my luck.
[myTouch 4G General] bama_fever:
The G2 has a beautiful screen hands down... better than the MT4 at least the MT4 i used to have. The one I have now is richer in color... I'll have to go to the store and look at it with the G2 again ...
[myTouch 4G General] onyonees:
i wonder if where the phones were made has anything to do with it. mine was made in taiwan, washed out screen, crooked ffc, white mt4g.

for those who have the good screen, would it be possible to check where your phones were made?
[myTouch 4G General] bobsbbq:
There doesn't seem to be any pattern to which ones have the better display. All of my phones out of the T-Mobile retail stores have been from Taiwan and of course I have yet to get a good one. Some that have ones from china also have the washed out contrast screen.

my wife has a red and I have had red and black. all with the bad displays.
[myTouch 4G General] onyonees:
ic, that sucks.

trying to figure out what the best way is to get a phone with the good screen but i can only think of one option. i got my phone through the mail so the only way to get a replacement is through the mail. i think i am going to wait a month or so and have a replacement sent out and pray i get one with the good screen and a centered ffc. either way, love my phone.
[myTouch 4G General] rjhay22:
wait what do you mean centered ffc? isnt it supposed to be a little off centered?
[myTouch 4G General] kgbkny:
The screen on my wife's G2 is definitely superior to my MT4G. All the colors are perfectly balanced and saturated, with no "wash out" effect. The first thing I've noticed about my MT4G is the inferior, although not intolerable, screen quality. Would I be correct to guess that the screen on the "good" batch of MT4Gs should look like the screen on the G2? If yes, would anyone recommend contacting T-Mobile for replacement? Also, in case the replacement has a washed out screen, can I send it back?

Again, the screen quality is not intolerable. It's just that if I can have a better screen, I'd like to have it.
[myTouch 4G General] itmustbejj:
Without trying to start a flame war, this is getting a little out of hand. I've already gone through this with the Evo (another HTC phone). Some Evos had epson screens, some had novatec screens.

The issue wasn't some were slcd and some were tft screens, it was just they came from two manufacturers that configure them slightly different. One had cooler colors the other had warmer colors. They both had benefits for different things (just google cool colors vs warm colors). I would be leary about throwing around terms like "superior" and "inferior" and "good screens" and "bad screens".

Cool colors render text better, warm colors have truer blacks. There's more to it than that, but I really think that people should take a step back before jumping off the cliff and returning their phone because a screaming mob says their screen isn't as good as another.
[myTouch 4G General] floepie:
Right, because the EVO exactly like the MT4G in every way.

Don't think anyone's highlighting variations in color temp here.

Probably true, but the primary concern is viewing angle here.
[myTouch 4G General] itmustbejj:
full screen modal popup window ad....are you kidding me XDA???????
[myTouch 4G General] itmustbejj:
I'm going to go ahead and ignore your passive aggressiveness and just assume you're having a bad morning.

I wasn't stating that the Evo was exactly like the MT4G. What I was saying is that I had a similiar experience with the same manufacturer switching out components on a phone that was released not too long ago. I was not stating that they had the same screens as the Evo, I was merely stating that different manufacturers calibrate their components differently and that it is very easy to get swept up in the "I got screwed because I didn't get x screen" debate.
[myTouch 4G General] bobsbbq:
With all do respect it could also be a QC issue. If the representative put the 2 devices in front of you and showed you one has excellent viewing at all angles like most other phones now and one that washed out at angles which one would you pick? The fact is most people did not know until this issue was raised.

Whether it is different manufacturers or QC or who knows what else it is a big difference. Also every person is not as picky as others so some will be fine with the washed out display. The point is if you get in to a contract you should get what you expect as you have to live with it for 2 years. So what is wrong with trying to get what you want.

As far as inferior or superior this is just a example. In the thread I started I explained that one has better contrast than others especially at angels. They are both good but one has much better viewing angles than the other.
[myTouch 4G General] btbuck1:
I can tell you as someone who's actually had the good one, then got a bad one....i did feel totally screwed, especially when i saw my friends and his was like how i remembered my first one to be. It is such a signifigant difference that I stormed right down to the t-mobile for a swap out. It has nothing to do with color temp. it has everything to do with abysmal viewing angles, and a cloudy washed out color palette. This "Good" richer contrast screen kicks the bad screens ass 6 ways to tuesday.

I had the nexus one before this, and had several differen't ones. And they had varying screens as well, but nothing that after an hour or two I coud even notice anymore. But I am telling you.....seeing the difference in person on the MT4G is enough to make you really feel jipped if you have the bad one.

If T-mobile wants to compete with the iPhone, then they really shouldn't provide subpar screens in some of the phones. Apple doesn't skimp...and it's probably why they're #1 in smart phones.
[myTouch 4G General] btbuck1:
Yes, you'd think EVERYONE would be glad we're drawing attention to this, instead of sweeping it under the rug (as i'm sure HTC & T-mobile would love) Since this will undoubtedly come back to bite them in the ass. Cost cutting measure now costing them by way of returns.

You better believe it...if you're locked in for 2 years you better be in total LOVE with this phone. especially considering how fast the technology changes now a days.

Color/Contrast/Viewing angles and color accuracy is all affected in the difference. The only thing that is comparable in the two is sharpness.
[myTouch 4G General] mingkee:
I posted a pic on another thread. The issue is real.

Mine is on the left.

Exactly same conditions on both.
[myTouch 4G General] onyonees:
from what i have been reading, some phones have an off centered ffc and some have a centered ffc.
[myTouch 4G General] bobsbbq:
I don't think there is any correlation to the FFC, I finally got a good one and it has a off center FFC
[myTouch 4G General] mark1777:
How do you get the "full screen clock" on the phone?
[myTouch 4G General] bobsbbq:
It is a stock widget. Just hold down on a screen with enough room to hold it then select widget, then scroll down to clock. Then down at the bottom click next on the bottom right to advance through the analog clocks until you come to this one and then click on select this at the bottom. You might be asked to set your location, I usually set it to current location.
[myTouch 4G General] topgun303:
So i called tmobile for replacement bec of bad screen and they are sending me another phone. The most important part i noticed was that when the rep said "i wonder why these (MT4G's) phone's are having screen issues" so tmobil know about it. Just wanted to put this out there for other people know. I hope my new phone is good haha
[myTouch 4G General] marinergreg:
Pictures of my 2 mytouch 4G's

I just stumbled across this issue and sent one of my 2 MT4Gs back. I just thought I would throw my pictures up there incase they are of help to anyone. I am promoting in the tmobile forums for people to send their phone back if it has a substandard display like mine.

Edit- I cannot post a link to the pictures until I have 8 posts here per the rules. If anyone wants to contact me I will give you a link or you can view them on the mytouch 4g tmobile forum (Please return inferior screens).
[myTouch 4G General] jota164:
Received mine in the mail yesterday and the screen is good. Made in China, 2.2.1 and FFC is a little towards the left. I was hoping I didn't get a bad screen, and I didn't. :D
[myTouch 4G General] Scoop24:
I still have my original one from the 1st batch, day one purchase. Which was made in china (which maybe the reason my sd card was class 4).my display was LCD-SO-C2 which I believe is the good one? My ffc is slightly off to the left though. So I might try a exchange to fix that. Are u guys getting centered ffc on the replacement hand sets?
[myTouch 4G General] vw671:
I wouldn't risk it if I was you. You might end up with a bad screen which is worst than a off center FFC. Plus eventhough my replacement phone has a perfectly centered FFC you still have to tilt the phone a bit to get your mug centered when using it.
[myTouch 4G General] jota164:
Posted this up...

now I find out I have a dead pixel by the minutes side on the clock widget. Very hard to tell.

Don't know If I want to send it back even thought I have 12 days left. Might not send it back since it doesn't really bother me but what do you guys think ?
[myTouch 4G General] krat0s123:
I'd send it back, if i were you.. I could live with a washed out screen, but not with a dead pixel..
[myTouch 4G General] jota164:
Yeap. Got T-Mobile to send me a brand new replacement. Hopefully that ones fine !
[myTouch 4G General] nextbond:
How do you get the clock and weather on your main home screen so I can compare?
[myTouch 4G General] nazo0:
does the bad quality screen just mean the colors are off? i'm coming from an n1 and i could swear the sharpness is alot better on the n1 than it is on the mt4g..also..anyone get a fuzzy/unclear imagine whenever you do a full zoom on the picture? the pixels stand out too much when i zoom in fully, i dont know if thats is in reference to the bad quality screen or if its just the screens resolution itself
[myTouch 4G General] chrisjs81:
The n1 had an amoled screen, even the good mt4g screen won't be as vibrant as that.

Zooming in on an image has nothing to do with the screen.
[myTouch 4G General] tinpanalley:
I'm getting a mt4g in the next two days. How do I make sure then that I get a good screen? Has this been resolved?

Thanks!
[myTouch 4G General] rockstarar:
Me too tim. How guys?! I hardly think icould ask them to break the seal on 5 phones and power them on to see.
[myTouch 4G General] tinpanalley:
No offense to any store reps that may be in here, but generally speaking, at least in New York, I feel that they are not adequately trained in mobile technology. Also, the need to fill retail positions with people willing to work retail hours causes lazy managers to hire anyone decent enough to be placed in front of a customer with very little regard for the amount of actual knowledge they have or whether they spend any time at all looking at blogs about mobile tech. So when you bring them anything out of the ordinary or that requires more than just processing a sale or a new activation they are unlikely to want to help and further more (and perhaps more problematic) unable to understand how one screen for example could be less saturated than another. They're trained to watch out for scammers, which they should be. Therefore, what can one do to verify whether one has a Taiwan or a China? And even still, without something to compare to, how can you know what you're getting?
[myTouch 4G General] sunsean:
I am in NY too. Although the reps at my local stores didn't know about the screen issue, they were happy to look for a 'made in china' box for me, and even expressed interest in the problem and asked me to let them know if I got a good one as a replacement. My first MT4G was a 'bad screen' unit from Taiwan. I agree there's not much you can do to ensure getting a good unit, except for what I did, which was ask for one that said 'made in china' on the box. I know that not all china models are guaranteed to be good, maybe I just got lucky, but it worked for me.

And although not as obvious as comparing a good screen to a bad screen, there are ways to check which you have on its own. As so many others have explained, just tilt your phone at different angles, and if you can still see everything clearly without losing definition or things washing out, it's a good screen. Of course, there's also the panel=1/2 test using terminal in the market.
[myTouch 4G General] rockstarar:
but (tmo employees please correct if wrong) can the manager open the seal and power it on for you?! and open another one if the current is not good?
[myTouch 4G General] Ry-Guy615:
I just bought one yesterday and it has the good screen thankfully. No going through boxes to find it either, just happened to be my first draw. Good luck.
[myTouch 4G General] xdviper:
I just ordered a replacement, forgot about the whole good screen bad screen thing, are they still shipping out mytouches with the bad screen?
[myTouch 4G General] Phateless:
I got a bad screen last week, followed by a good screen with an off-center ffc yesterday.
[myTouch 4G General] xdviper:
Damnit, they are still circulating the bad screens? I woulda thought it would've been out by now. I hope I get a good one again, this one was my first replacement with a centered FFC and a good screen.
[myTouch 4G General] kalel33:
Yes, because they don't consider the screen to be a warranty defect. It explicitly states in their policy that it's not a warranty issue and to not do an exchange.

Edit: Should also note that they are still circulating bad screens because of so many people sending their bad screen phones in and the longer it goes, the more likely that a replacement phone will be a bad screen. They only add new phones when they are out of stock of refurbished models, which will most likely be a bad screen
[myTouch 4G General] HydroROMs:
My bud works at a tmobile store and he knows alot. He helped me root this thing.
[Streak 5 General] zarbo:
Hey Guys and Gals,

I currently have 2.2 Froyo 1.2 Running on my Dell Streak Unlocked, Seeing how the official 2.2 update will be out soon, I'm wondering if I should update when it comes out, I have only been in the scene for 2 weeks, So i don't know whether he 2.2 update will block the ability to root, or install unofficial apk's...

Any suggestions and and info is much appreciated.
[Streak 5 General] nascar24usa:
Great question. Guidance on how to handle greatly appreciated. If OTA of 2.2 from Dell is downloaded, can we immediately root on Streak?
[Streak 5 General] kantras:
From what i've read, the method will be different but you should be able to (of course, that may change if certain things have changed since the leaked beta was seen in the wild)
[Streak 5 General] Mr Kyle:
I know I won't be. Stephen's FroYo builds are currently better and will stay better than anything Dell will ever put out.

Besides that I've heard that the leaked Dell build is only getting ~850-950 scores on Quadrant, while mine runnning Stephen's 1.2 gets ~1100-1200.
[Streak 5 General] zarbo:
Thanks for the input Mr. Kyle, Looks like i will be staying on Stephen's Build, I don't see any reasons why I should upgrade to the official one, and I don't want to risk the root method, I'll wait and see what other members who will upgrade will say about it later on ...
[Legend Themes and Apps] smartsreenath:
is there any answer machine software for android ? i really need this now.pls help me.......:mad::mad::mad:

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[Legend Themes and Apps] marclh1992:
Voicemail.
[HD7 General] gafadi:
if anyone already frustrated with HD7 and want to sell , i am located in NYC and i can meet up with you tomorrow and pay $350 for it

let me know if anyone here wants to sell.

No shipping or nothing , just local offer :rolleyes:
[HD7 General] nexus14:
hey everyone, if u hate it, return it. it should still be within the return date.