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[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] lesscro:
Hi guys....

i have seen 1st sample about Website... is this final graphic style or color to use on this website ?

my advise, so baaaad....

i think to preserve transition between XDA & market... something like that
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] alphadeeto:
well.. it's just a start.. a prototype of working site is good enough..

as long as the layout is easy to use, and the information flow is good, the rest of the UI is easy to replace.. you just need to replace the images, and voila.. :D
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] mikeyj1973:
Looking forward to seeing this becoming reality..if there's anything i can do..ill try and help...but i am a complete novice at most things in the smart-phone area.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] lesscro:
You're right when i make a website... always i begin by the graphic UI... to see possibility... then i include all necessary things after...

Maybe because i m a Graphic lover... :D
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] angusc:
this is a great idea and project! i cant begin to count the number of applications, programs, tweaks and hacks that i have downloaded fron XDA-Developers. however i think that this project MUST be hosted on the XDA server and should be fully intergrated in to the forum, afterall it is all about the XDA developers and programers that put hours, days and weeks, not to mention months and in some cases years of their time in to some of their projects. i see this part of XDA-Developers portal as being a place where these super heros get to distribute their wares and if the want to sell their work for some cost. the "XDA Apps Store" should be segregated by types of applications rather than by devices. this would aid locating an application that may have started out being implemented for one specific device but can equally work on another running the same OS platform. i have often stumbled upon these types of gems that i otherwise would not have been able to locate.

i'm looking forward to seeing this one get off the ground and really hope that the site admin offer the server space to allow this.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Fraction:
What about including android apps?

Since most hacks and useful apps from the xda is hard to find om the market, and even here on this site.

a Tips, Include ANDROID! I wouldn't be to hard to do!

Fraction
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] alphadeeto:
well, that depends.. I'm a graphic designer myself.. but I make the final design once the layout is 90% fix and the app is working at least as prototype.. after that I just replace the previous design with my new design.. :D

comments for the bold

- it might be hard if it's hosted in XDA server, since it might requires big resource, thus will reduce the performance of the xda market and the xda-dev site itself.. however, the xda-dev admin could give a subdomain name for the xda-market, such as market.xda-developers.com or such, but it will be hosted in other place..

- it's really good if it can.. but integrating one system to another is quite a big job.. moreover, it needs collaboration from the admin of xda market and xda dev in the development.. and maybe it would take more time to implement..
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Cyclonezephyrxz7:
No, Android would not be hard at all. I will update the info, because, as I mentioned a couple posts back, Android is most definitely going to be included. I would just have to make an Android app to access the site as well....no big deal.

Very very nice! When it comes time, I will look into this.

I know that this website is bearing the name "XDA-Marketplace", but at the moment, I am not interested in making it look JUST LIKE XDA. The website itself is NOT part of XDA, since I am not a Mod, or Admin, or in any way related to XDA besides being a forum member. It will bear the name "XDA", but besides that, it will be its own free entity. I do want to try to integrate it as much as possible with XDA-Developers for the sake of ease for users, and as much as I like the look of XDA-Developers, I wanted to see if I could go for a new look.

If I wanted it to look just like this website, I would have viewed the source, and basically quasi-copied it over. Right now, as it has been said, it is a Prototype website, designed for FUNCTIONALITY. Once I know that it functions , I can look into graphic re-design.

Thank you for the screenshot though, it looks nice. Was that photoshopped or actually coded?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Cyclonezephyrxz7:
Organization Theory

Okay okay okay ... SO a lot of what I have been reading and hearing about has been about how I am planning to structure the website. Beyond UI, a great website needs a revolutionary and new method of organization. So here is what I am aiming for:

We need to tackle the issue of varied devices, varied OS's, varied Interests, and varied Quality of Programs, as well as varied Costs.

I haven't coined a catchy name for the system yet, but for the time being let us call it the 'Oracle' System. This what the Oracle will entail:

I don't want to go too much into detail, in case the idea changes a good deal ... but basically...It will be set up like a spider's web. There will be layers of 'tagging', but not the 'tagging' we think of. I can place "Tags" on a thread on XDA-Developers, and it will help with Search Results. Those will be available on the XDA-Marketplace too, but there will be other tags that will act more like Delimiters. It will allow users to search by Device, by OS, by many many features. So searches and everything will be categorized on multiple levels of 'relativity', so that you don't go from one application to another one that is totally useless to you.

It is hard for me to put it all in words right now, but as I develop it, I will be sure to explain more in-depth how the whole system will work out.

But don't worry, all the comments we are receiving here, and all the ideas we have are ALL being considered and added in to our final plans!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] kliptik:
So basically it's a set of "filters" right? You turn on the "HD2" device filter, and it only shows apps that are tagged for the HD2. Then you turn on the "Games" filter, and it only shows apps that are tagged as games. etc., etc., etc.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] true2you:
Hey guys, here's what i think about the mobile application :

-android and winmo apps could have the exact same structure (except the settings)

Here are some sketches about the possible winmo version (i was so inspired so at least, tell me, if not good, that it's not that bad lolz)

-now i'm not a developper but there are some in my family + i can read and understand different codes, but cannot develop anything. That's why i thought about the column system for the website version, which can directly be taken to the app pages for the search results (i think zune desktop uses a system like that)

here they are in full size resolution (just upped them)

hxxp://www.megaupload.com/?d=NFFWNK3Z

EDIT : under settings, when i talk about personal specs, they would serve as filter for search results and tags by developpers for their submitted apps, just like Cyclonezephyrxz7 says i think (lol i read your post right after posting mine hehe same idea/structure/vision kinda messy state of mine when thinking to.. this.. still vague.. project :D)

they could be

- device for the news...

- screen resolution

- g-sensor available

- processor

-os version -6.1-6.5-6.5.3

- netCF -2.0-3.5

-rom is stock or coocked (for some cfc problems)

Also, if the market app comes in 2-3 different resolution, basically only the graphic JPEGs will have to change + the screenshots will have to be uploaded with 2-3 different resolutions each
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Cyclonezephyrxz7:
Yup! Exactly. Filters :)

Love it! Awesome. These will definitely be used as a basis for the application. I was considering having the program, on first run, require the user to set-up a profile. Preferred applications, Device, etc. Some of the stuff could be obtained via code, but other things would need user input. This way, they can run the app, and get what they want!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] true2you:
Now to be sure, when you say code, you mean just like my idea of columns (virtual on the site lol; there is no obligation to see black vertical lines hehe).

Isn't that the way most of android apps work? Best example is the xda app for andro (used it only once on my touch pro 2 but wow.. it was pretty damn functionnal)

AND YUP zune does use the system i was talkin about, but i see only 1 column, and with the side scroll bar looking that good, we could think about em for several columns with a little bit of FLASH code - and you see what i mean when i say screen shots right under + review right next

So on web, column could be static but scrollable, and the review could be like on amazon, vieable when the whole page is scrolled down.

Well now you know what type of help i can give here, i have a very visual way of thinking and am a structur-O-maniac + i'm no developper but i cean read a bit of code, that's why i can put a limit to my ideas/visions, so they can suit actual possibilites -- don't hesitate to PM me whenever needed, i would be ver pleased to help for a project that glorious.

One last thing (i've been thinking enough for today i guess, so i'm not quite sure, but with this structure, the winmo app could be a lot HTML based, no? even if, psychologically, i prefer apps - because i have never seen any html based app that looks good or that is complete)

PS - here's a screenshot to complete my sayings

PS2 - so the android app could use the same system of filters but in regards with android devices - resolution - ... - but no g-sensor because i guess they all have it.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Cyclonezephyrxz7:
By code, I mean I would access the phone to obtain information about the device itself. I believe I can get the phone's model from coding, etc. It is still in the conceptualization stage.

I would like to extend thanks to alphadeeto for submitting a quite amazing Logo.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] alphadeeto:
wasn't it like the xda portal tagging system? I think that's very neat, and pretty usefull too!

or perhaps you could make it to something like advance search.. so you can search apps by the category, device name, WinMo (or android) version, screen resolutions, etc.. :D

wow.. that's quite a detailed idea.. nice bro!

lol.. you're welcome.. just tell me if you need anything.. :D
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] kliptik:
Well I was just about to say that you won'thave to worry about WP7 for a while as there is no way to sideload apps, thus Windows Marketplace is the only place you can get WP7 apps... And then I found these...

http://www.fontspace.com/elephant-shape/porhythm

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=851453

Right now, the apps still have to be sideloaded from the PC, so there's still time, but it won't be long before it's hacked to allow file system access too.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] rudy-salameh:
YESSS!!! please continue with this project..... :D :D
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] true2you:
One more thing, There should DEFINITELY be an app category called something like "LOCAL SERVICES" or "REGION SPECIFIC APP" for if someone makes something related with train schedules or local newspaper related, travel, road/radar,... In brief, things that will only work in (or only be valid for) one region (and operator maybe).

Ex : category>REGION SPECIFIC>then a list of coutries for which specific apps will be developped.

I say that because i'm SICK OF FACING A LACK OF ESSENTIAL APPS on winmo, for my region (belgium), but which are still officially developped and put on iPhone appstore!!! (bus, train, tvguides... even TV from my operator for which i had to go to a mobile webpage, which looked like 10years old, compared to the iphone app)

***if someone could tell me how to put the banner linking to here in my signature***
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] dcsmaniatico:
This could work as cydia

Now that WP7 is UNLOCEKD HECK YEAHHHHHH!!!! this could be our Cydia having a full range of side loaded apps :D is GOOD that is back
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] cajunflavoredbob:
Do you mean the crappy banner I made? :p

I'll upload the small one I'm using for you. Download it, then go into User CP > Edit Signature > Option 2 - Upload Image From Your Computer > then just upload the file. To link it here, highlight the sig pick tags, then click the "insert link" button on the tool bar and put the link to the thread, which is http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=836964. That should do it.

Seriously, I hope someone can make a decent banner to replace this one.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Cyclonezephyrxz7:
Hehe, I am working on banners as we speak.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Cyclonezephyrxz7:
Supporter Banners

Hey Everyone: I made a couple of banners for Supporters to put on their Signatures. For now, here are 2 basic ones. I will probably have more later:

VISIT http://chicken-eggsolutions.com/Max/XMSS/banners.html FOR BANNERS
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] cajunflavoredbob:
Thanks. I hope you don't mind me resizing it, so my sig doesn't grow beyond its current height. :D

EDIT: You won't be able to upload the image from your computer since it is more than the max 19.5KB file size. I've attached the same file at half size (250x50) that can safely be uploaded. You could just choose Option 1 to use the hosting address of the image from the website, though.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Cyclonezephyrxz7:
Hmmm...not to go off topic, but The one in my signature was uploaded from my computer just fine ...

Oh well. I will add smaller banners for 'safety' of it.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] true2you:
i my opinion, there should be only free or freeware apps in this market, and let the $ones integration for later so there won't be problems about security or safe payments. To get $apps, we should instead at first, see xda links to the users thread with his paypal informations.

But since i don't know anything about implementation of secure systems, you may not want to consider this lol.

Plus if free apps were free to submit, this would be healthy for the market.

And devs of $ apps (+ their demos should) should pay a small fee for submitting (like 1-2$) to support the needs of the website hosting and/or support the whole market team.

And basic paypal donation system for the team should complete the supporting system.

I would be very glad to donate at least 25$/year for this since I'm keeping my touch pro 2 for still more than a year.

(lol no sales with contract here so payed it 600€ + touch pro 7 isn't a good enough reason to upgrade, so i think i'm going to buy a HD2 to play with as a tablet next to my tp2 while waiting for the next best slideout keyboard - 2012 i guess - plus it has android so i'll be enjoying both sides of the market.. so maybe it is 50$ that i'll donate).
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Cyclonezephyrxz7:
Concerning the matter of Cost ... I am not going to go too far in depth with that [still not set in stone] ... all I can say is that Freeware applications will NOT have to pay to go on the website. The site is there to promote all the XDA Applications. I can say, though, that the idea of Charging a fee for Paid applications has more than just crossed our minds. It is not set in stone yet.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] cajunflavoredbob:
It certainly makes since to charge a percentage of a paid app's price to host it. XDA only allows free stuff here anyway. I find that I donate more to devs when they make something I like than to those I pay for. If I use an app and like it, I normally dish out $5 or $10 as a standard donation depending on my usage of said app and the quality. That's considerably more than what is charged in any app store on any platform for a single user developed app. I know that not everyone shares this philosophy, however, and I might be alone in this.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] NRGZ28:
Well if it matters.... I will cook this into my ROMs, once you have a working executable I can throw into my kitchen and some type of server to connect to at least. This will give you instant exposure to several thousands users :) But come on.. less talk and more coding ! :D:p
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Cyclonezephyrxz7:
Haha NRGZ28 :-P Thank you very much for the offer. I am actually doing a lot of coding. I take little 15 minute breaks every now and then to post some updates. :D

I absolutely hate putting %'s on completion, because new things always pop up, so I am not going to put a percent. I am just going to say that Once I get the Sidebar done (which I already have the background code basically done) , pretty much every page will have its layout, and all I will have to work on will be the widget-features, like a log-in system, voting, etc.

Unfortunately, today I cannot do very much developing ... I have toooo much school/college application work to do. Sorry! I will try to squeeze in some time :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] true2you:
WOW if NRGZ28's in it, everybody's in it... THANK YOU CHEFF

@Cyclonezephyrxz7 - i think that we could put something a little more eye candy on top of the first post, you know - flies are better caught with sugar than with vinegar - like a large banner and some bold (+a lil' bigger and rounder) fonts.

Example, a lil'bit of that touch http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=728408
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] alphadeeto:
wow... this is getting better.. can't wait for the beta version.. :D
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Fraction:
my way.

This is a very good tribute to the XDA-community. Just hoping everyone will see that and post there app's on this site (xda-market).

I can't say for sure, but android app's, have more flexibility when think of the resolution and working on more phones, right? I mean that then you may not have so many filters. More filters for names, or so.

Then again, maybe you guys could make a database where you type in some devices for us to choose as "yours" when we create an account. So that the searching is "not" needed. In the way that all the app's to my phone is the first I see in sections of games, hacks, tweaks or so. Have the option of choosing other phones or if I register many phones, I get a welcome screen with a list of all my devices. That I can choose from.

And yes, have tags for all app's. Have special categories that are 1 resolution, or 1 device specific. And maybe an "all" function if I want to go crazy and look for other app that I may want. So that I can comment on the app / pm the dev and cry about that the app isn't for my device.

I just wanted to share my view.

Fraction
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] NRGZ28:
Sounds good :) I'll be watching the thread :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] leba837:
Can't imagine why the First attempt of XDA-Marketplace failed? have the original creators given any info for you?

I Would love to help, in the following ways:

- Donation

- Graphic Design (Banners / Logos)

- Beta Testing (X1 Owner, Nexus One Owner)

- Advertising / Promotion / Tutorial Writing
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] leba837:
Idea for a slogan . . .

I have attached a Desktop Picture (1680 X 1050pix) showing a simplified XDA Market logo and more importantly my suggestion to the Slogan. :)

"Explore More, Expand More."

Explore More = Easier to find your favourite XDA Tweaks, Fixes, Hacks, Apps etc

Expand More = Ability to Expand the functionality of your device (What XDA is all about)

I hope people like this and I can re-size the Pic if People have different sized Monitors - Let me know.

Best Regards, Rich
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] cajunflavoredbob:
"Expand More, Explore More" is kind of a mouthful for a slogan. I think that "XDA Market: Expand and Explore" rolls right off the tongue a bit more fluidly, don't you think? That's just my opinion though. Nice icon, by the way!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] leba837:
Yeah Like it, more simplified - Just like the Logo
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] cajunflavoredbob:
Perfect!!!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] leba837:
FREE Download

Show your support for the XDA Marketplace v2.0 by downloading my Desktop Wallpaper Collection.

Stick it on your Desktop, Laptop, Netbook and show the world that you support XDA.

Volume 1 contains 4 Desktop Pictures at 1680 X 1050pix

Best Regards, Rich

*These Images are Free to Distribute, Please tell people that I created them :) Thanks*
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Cyclonezephyrxz7:
I like the desktop images :)

I also like the 'slogan' : "Expand and Explore".

I got some good work done yesterday, which pushes me ahead a bit. I am hesitant to start putting a 'countdown' on the time to completion ... so I'll just say that another major component was completed :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Firedog7881:
Domain name

I would like to donate the usage of "xda-mp.com" for this project. I have it purchased it and would like to allow the use of it for this marketplace.

Once the project gets underway and is self-sufficient I will gladly transfer the domain.

It is short and easy to remember. xda-market.com was already taken and xda-marketplace.com is too log for a mobile device.

PM me to discuss the details for setting up the records.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Firedog7881:
Windows and Android???

Are you going to be building this as an all-in-one app marketplace for XDA?

I know this is in the Windows forum, but will you be creating the ability for Android apps on here as well? I think it would be great to have a location where developers for both platforms can have a single place to share their apps.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Cyclonezephyrxz7:
This will go for Android too. I am PONDERING Symbian, but that would be a stretch ... and not until the far future, once Android and WinMo work well.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] kliptik:
People here are so awesome and this is proof! This is probably one of the best collaborative projects I've seen in a long time.

Props!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Firedog7881:
I finally found a way to give back. I can't program (I want to learn, I know a little c#) and other people are way better at doing graphics so I thought I would give a domain name.

This forum (XDA in general) has taught me so much with Android that I felt the need to give back as much as possible.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] joe_coolish:
XDAFacebook is in :) and if you need any more programmers, I'm in for that too! just let me know what things I can help with
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] true2you:
guys, i think we're all starting to feel STEVE BALLMERy about this project...

I allways tought the guy was a freak but no matter how strange or scary this may sound.. NOW i understand the fella:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OmWHznPRa4&feature=fvw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvsboPUjrGc&playnext=1&list=PL7D6865EE2276FA15&index=33

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk&feature=&p=1F52C4CDD6FBB1AE&index=0&playnext=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IY2j_GPIqRA&feature=related
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Firedog7881:
Address is live

The parking web page for the new XDA Marketplace is up. It is just a single web page, nothing special yet. You can access it by going to:

http://www.xda-mp.com
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Firedog7881:
I created a new thread in the Android forum for this as well and pointed people back to this thread. The thread in the Android forum is

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=857617
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Cyclonezephyrxz7:
Thanks for that, but I am in the process of talking with MODS to make a special thread-link in the Android Forum. But for now, this works well :)

Thanks Firedog!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] kliptik:
Ya know I am realizing a whole new respect for web developers... Working on some web stuff right now and holy wow... So mad props to you guys for coming up with the awesome designs and implementation of the upcoming site!