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[Epic 4G General] WrlsFanatic:
skywalkr2, I worked at Sprint for over 8 years (great place to work, left for an amazing opportunity elsewhere) and as a Pre owner, I was RABIDLY anticipating a new device this year to replace my Pre (greatest software on the market, worst hardware). I'm at work now and took a short break to look at my phone and happened to see this thread in the XDA app. As such, I don't have time at this moment to give my full opinion, but I can tell you that NOBODY did more research on this exact question than I did... and I ended up choosing the EVO AFTER I talked my own father into getting an Epic. I'll post the full list of reasons tonight, I just wanted to get in my two cents since obviously everyone in this forum is likely to tell you the Epic is the best. I was afraid you might see an overwhelming number of people telling you to grab an Epic and then you'd stop checking this thread.

I suggest you at least listen to my reasoning before jumping ship.
[Epic 4G General] boomerbubba:
Not so fast. The reports I have seen about the GPS are mixed. For example, see this.

It does sound like one of the GPS bugs -- the bogus estimated accuracy of 30.0 meters that we see now on the Epic-- is fixed in the beta release. But to test the most serious bug -- the failure to achieve satellite lock over time because of a time-sensitive cache problem -- it will take more time and effort than these early anecdotal reports can boast. So far I have not seen any Froyo-release beta tester who seems to know how to test the GPS rigorously, and I am not risking my own phone to flash this leaked ROM.

So the overall status of the GPS is unknown, as far as I'm concerned.
[Epic 4G General] skywalkr2:
Great. I will definetely listen. It's exactly why I posted over here.
[Epic 4G General] acegolfer:
Dear OP,

If I were in your shoe, I'd wait at least till Epic gets Froyo update. Then you can make apples to apples comparison between Epic and EVO (assuming Evo doesn't get 2.3 update).

Or better yet, if you are a bit more patient, wait till january, when HTC Knight (Speedy?) becomes available. If Knights come with 2.2, it's more likely to get updated to 2.3 than current EVO or EPIC. The general consensus here is that neither EVO or Epic will officially get updated to Gingerbread. If you don't want to be stock with TP till January, get a refurb HTC Hero from ebay for about $100.
[Epic 4G General] skywalkr2:
Isn't the Knight 3g only?
[Epic 4G General] fczeuner:
Just upgraded from my trusty HTC Hero, about an hour ago. I have a lot to get used to, touch wiz is a lot different than sence. Definitely faster an nicer. Next thing to do is root and get rid out the bloat!
[Epic 4G General] ravizzle:
Get launcher po. Its like sense on steroids, and the tw notification bar with toggles is so awesome. I came from hero too.

Sent from my Epic 4G
[Epic 4G General] omeinv:
I might have some perspective on this question. I had a Touch Pro 2 prior to my Epic. I thought the TP2 was a great phone. Now I don't know how I ever managed with it. So point one is, EITHER the Epic or the Evo will seem like a HUGE step up.

One of the other phones on our plan is an Evo, so I've had a fair chance to experience that phone and my Epic.

I would give both very high marks, and I think that the recent rating (can't remember from what publication) that gave them number one and number two of all phones was correct.

I waited for the Epic because I was used to the keyboard on the TP2, and thought it was very necessary. However, Once I got the Epic, with Swype, I find I almost never use the keyboard. It's still handy once in a while, but now I could live without it,

as long as

I have Swype.

For a short while we were successful in getting Swype to work on the Evo. When it did, the Evo really would have worked for me as well as the Epic. Alas, it has not proven possible to get the program to work reliably on there.

So oddly, the phone with the keyboard doesn't really need it because it has Swype, and the phone without a keyboard doesn't have Swype, and can't seem to have it.

That comes down to the sole "real" issue for me. Both have been nearly trouble free, and Android just annihilates Windows Mobile.

Radio Shack now has the Epic for $220.00, and the Evo for $150.00. When I bought the difference was $50.00, and then they lowered it within the first 30 days, so my total difference was only $20.00. For $20.00 more, I'd say take the Epic for sure. For $70.00 more, I'd say the scale tips in favor of the Evo.

Again, they're both just great phones. I don't think you can go "wrong" with either.

Harris
[Epic 4G General] sryans2004:
So, I have had both phones Epic & Evo. Here is my opinion about both.

Evo had a bigger screen and kickstand that I love and miss till this day. I loved the build qualitiy of the Evo, it just felt so much more durable. The evo is truly a great phone and i miss the heck outta it!

The Epic.... I love it! I love the keyboard, I tried so hard to get use to the on-screen keyboard on the EVO (even tried swype on it) and couldn't use it.. As I am a heavy texter (about 3000+ a month) the keyboard is a must for me. The screen on the Epic is well..... just EPIC! Its amazing! but then again the Evo had the bigger screen....

Both are awesome phones! If I could have both I would use the EVO to watch movies (kickstand) and to customize a lot. But I would def use the Epic as my daily phone. I strongly believe once we receive froyo there will be bigger & better things stored for us.

If you think you can live without a keyboard go for the EVO, but since your use to keyboards like the tp had then I would get the Epic.. (That is if you used it a lot?)

Like I stated both phones are great but I'd have to say Epic with the screen, keyboard & I personally think the camera quality is better on both the front and back. Defiantly the video quality is better on the Epic. 720p on the EVO looked like crap and didn't even look like 720p, the Epic is much crisp & clear IMO.

However I did miss HTC Sense (i loved the animations & clock) but with a couple apps from the market, you can make your phone feel like your using an HTC phone! Good luck on whatever you may choose, I'm sure you will be satisfied with either phone!
[Epic 4G General] SemiGamer:
I made the decision in September.

It was odd for me, I had no knowledge of the epic.

I went into best buy, pumped to buy the Evo, had my $200 cash ready to go pick my baby up.

What happens when I walk in?

*Sees giant Epic 4G! sign*

"Hm whats that? Oh well, I don't feel like waiting for release of it, I'll just get my evo WOO!"

*Goes to buy the evo, only to have the best buy rep ask me if I've heard of the Epic*

After a long convo with the rep, I decided to wait for the Epics release, it was only something like 4 days away.

Dedicated those 4 days to researching the Epic online, fell in love with the hardware, hated the software news.

Went into the sprint store when it was released, compared Evo and Epic.

Loved the screen and personally I like the shape of the epic more, felt better in my hand. Than slid out the keyboard and fell in love. I use emulators alot, so keyboards help for that. Specially with GameGripper coming for Epic now.

All in all I decided Hardware was more important than Software, because software is always updated and hardware isn't.

Its been two months and I don't regret my decision one bit.

That was my just my experience. Others may vary. :)
[Epic 4G General] skywalkr2:
On my TP, I use the slideout keyboard pretty much exclusively... so that was why I was leaning towards it. Todays strong rumor that the Nexus 2 is basically a Galaxy S clone is reinforcing my decision to stick with the Epic. Sounds like Samsung isn't going to let this hardware class die (at least for the near future).

However I am still waiting to hear the promised counterpoint.
[Epic 4G General] sryans2004:
WrlsFanatic I agree with a lot you said! HTC is 100 times better then Samsung is and ever will be from what I can see. Samsung does suck at updating the phones (atleast updating the Epic to froyo) The screen on the EVO does NOT look bad what so ever, actually it has a great screen!

Now here is what I think about what else you said.. Media Hub? What is that? I see very few people that actually look into it.. but hey if you really wanna spend money to watch a couple movies on your phone go ahead! Battery life, i'll agree I got battery life on my EVO to last 12+ hours BUT I had to do some tweaking it up such as disable sync even @ one point I disabled background data (which is when I got the best battery life) now if I hadnt tweaked out the phone, the battery life on the EVO would be CRAP! From what I see people can get 2 days out of their Epic... So you can't really say the battery life on the Epic is horrible when it is not any better on the EVO UNLESS tweaking.

I have not had ONE single problem with the haptic feedback buttons on my Epic though I have read others that had. I must have been one of the lucky ones to get a decent Epic. I also thought it was stupid that the lights on the buttons would shut off even while using my phone, but I found out that you can eaisly change that in the settings to keep them on.

Just remember the Evo had some issues even after a month or so after it's release date, and didn't get froyo right away. I would be surpised if the Epic got Gingerbread however it wouldnt surprise me one bit if the EVO got it because of how well HTC is. Even though I loved HTC and went to the Epic, I really do not regret it.. Yes, we dont have froyo yet, and yes there is a GPS problem (from what I understand is fixed on froyo update) BUT. After having the EVO for about 2-3 months starting with android 2.1 then updating to 2.2 the Epic is STILL a lot more smoother and faster then the EVO was even when it had 2.2.. That just shows when Froyo is offically released on the Epic.. The speeds are going to be amazing!! GPS will be fixed.. and Media hub??? well I honestly dont care because I removed that app a long time ago! Battery life may improve but i doubt it because it seemed like froyo just made the battery life worse on the EVO...

Honestly BOTH are aweomse phones, but do I regret switching EVO to Epic?? Hell no! I do miss some 2 features on the EVO that are not on the Epic (Kickstand & BIG screen!) but the epic's keyboard, software, & hardware all makes up for it! I love it, and I'm sure the OP would if he gave it a try, I'm sure he would ALSO love the EVO if he gave it a try to, it all depends on what hes looking for.

Reason i'm responding to you WrlsFanatic because I had the impressions you were bashing on the Epic which from my understandings you haven't even experienced too much of..
[Epic 4G General] skywalkr2:
Lots of good points from you both... lot to think about. My biggest concern is the dang 2 year contract I have to sign :(

Unfortunately there are no rumored Sprint phones on the horizon that seem worth waiting for... HTC Knight looks like the screen is too small for my taste. I'm sure there will be some surprises, though.

I am encouraged with the rumors of Nexus S, though... especially if its on hardware like the Galaxies, and it will come with 2.3. I would think then it could be easily ported to the other Galaxy phones if Samsung decides to not officially upgrade...
[Epic 4G General] Comando156:
I say wait it out. I'm certain there will be some new phone by the end of January that will blow the epic out of the water. It is a great phone, but the lack of support from Samsung makes its value and potential drop dramatically. If something comes out in the near future, on sprint or T-mobile, i will be hocking this phone on craigslist and getting it, or canceling and moving back to T-Mobile. Samsung has made me loose my faith, and also sprint, for not pushing Samsung to satisfy its customers. Hold out man, Dont buy a phone that feels dead in the water. Evo is getting old now, and Epic, well is like a blank bullet round, it looks like it can do damage, but there is no gun powder in it, due to Samsung.
[Epic 4G General] skywalkr2:
This was my biggest concern with the Evo. I feel the Evo 2 must be getting ready to roll out soon. I saw on Engadget there is some new mythical flagship Samsung coming in February... unfortunately who knows what carrier. I am stuck with Samsung because I have 3 other phones on my family plan.
[Epic 4G General] asj2583:
I own both. Passed the evo to wife and got me the epic :-). The epic is so much better for all of the above reasons but don't take from us, as it was sugested go to sprint store and try them both. I'll tell you from initial impresion the evo looks to be a better choice but in the long run the epic is th better choice. Good luck!
[Epic 4G General] InfDaMarvel:
Epic, Eco is ggetting old. Technology moves fast.
[Epic 4G General] ryan93:
my thoughts

So I am in a very similar boat, so I thought I would add my thoughts and hopefully get a little insight in return as well. I was using a BB Curve on ATT when I destroyed it. My buddy had just upgraded from the G1 to the MyTouch so I snagged his G1, unlocked it and started using it. This meant no 3g, but whatever it worked. Soon I rooted and was rocking the latest Cyanogen. I was on XDA and his forum constantly and was always messing with that thing. I loved that phone. It finally died, so I figured I would upgrade to the best. After living w/o 3g I wanted 4g, this meant switching to Sprint for either the Evo or the Epic, I went back and forth and finally decided on the Epic. Honestly, I think I made the decision because of the keyboard and the fact that the Epic was new, I didn't want to be stuck in a few months with a phone that felt old.

I now have like a week before my 30 day return window is up and I am torn. I really like the Epic, but I am itching for the Evo. Reasons, 1) Epic is a little thick and plastic-y, not really a problem now but I am wondering how it is going to wear, especially the slide. 2) As everybody says, SAMSUNG. I want this thing truly open, I want Cyanogen, I want other Roms. From my understanding Samsung is not releasing the full open code, so all the Roms that are out now are deconstructed and put back together, so not they aren't made from scratch and hence have inherent issues. 3) Again, SAMSUNG, if you aren't going to let the modding community work, give me 2.2, give me 2.3, give me updates, unleash what this phone can do.

But, the Nexus S or 2 or whatever they're calling that should be out soon. What does that mean for the other Galaxy S phones? Will the modding community have something real to work with?

So this is where I am torn. As much as the Epic is a ridiculously awesome phone, I am ready to return it for the Evo because as I see it, I am an Android Fanboy first and foremost for the software and the Samsung isn't going to provide that then I will lose the keyboard and the AMOLED go elsewhere. BUT there is this glimmer of hope in the Nexus S. So what do I do.

That probably didn't help your decision much...
[Epic 4G General] mynewepic10:
Having only touch screen was a downer for me. I was attracted by the keyboard first and shortly followed by the screen. So all I can say is go to the sprint store and play with both of them and make your decision that way. I do not think you will be disapointed by either one, but I Know people who own evo take one look at mine and seem jealous. The evo does have more developed stuff right now, but with froyo right around the corner for the epic, all should be well by then.
[Epic 4G General] Zardos66:
I'm taking my Epic back tomorrow. It was fun, but I'm looking forward to being with HTC again. My Hero still feels like a better phone, and that's just insane.

Not to mention it gets better battery life.

Sent from my bathroom, with toilet paper.
[Epic 4G General] stir fry a lot:
If you email a lot get the Epic. I do, and find the physical keyboard to be invaluable.
[Epic 4G General] skywalkr2:
I have two corporate accounts I Have to keep track of on top of my google account. Then I also have my wife who texts... so yes... lots of typing.
[Epic 4G General] byersbw:
My 2 cents

I've only been a Sprint customer for a month. So, take that with a grain of salt. I've often abused the 30-day return policy and usually try 3 or 4 different phones out before finally choosing one to go with. With that said...

Evo... The first of my choices. For the 4 days I had it, we were running thru the fields holding each others hands and jumping up and down for joy! It had been updated to 2.2 and was FAST! The kickstand, while a REALLY NICE feature, was very touchy and the phone on several surfaces would fall down on it's back. The 4.3" screen was AWESOMELY big and took up almost the entire front of the phone (A feature I'm sorry to say my Epic doesn't have (did I just say my Epic?)...

Epic... Before leaving AT&T, I had purchased an iPhone 4. The screen... ah, I MISS THAT SCREEN! But, at 3.5", it was SMALL! But, the point? The resolution of the screen. It REALLY does make a BIG difference to me so... That's why I took the Evo back and exchanged it for the Epic. After seeing the screen (and only being .3" smaller), I couldn't stay with the Evo. The Epic is a great phone and has been good to me.

The only word of caution I've read from lots of people in lots of forums is to watch out for the sliding keyboard. They say if you're a heavy user of the keyboard that the springs wear out and they don't last for more than a year. Because of that, I'm probably going to get either the $4/month or $7/month protection plan.

Good luck in your research!
[Epic 4G General] skywalkr2:
Thanks. I definetely always pay for insurance. One of these days that seemingly lost investment should be worth it...
[Epic 4G General] stir fry a lot:
Its taken me a few weeks to warm up to my Epic, but I can now say that I am happy with my purchase. The more I'm using it the more I am liking it. Lots of it is due to rooting and stripping all the programs that I found unnecessary and applying several battery saving tips that I have found on the forums. For the two days that I ran it stock however it seemed to be a very capable phone. I'm just not a fan of bloatware at all. I am now getting close to incredible battery life for a smartphone and from what I have read the SAMOLED screens are less power hungry.

With all this being said, I like this as an introductory phone to Android but it will never go down as one of my favorites. I'll always remember it as my first (Android) but probably nothing more than that. If HP releases a new WebOS (Palm Pre/Pixi) I will likely soon jump the Android train back to Palm. The software on it was great but I just got tired of the phone and its hardware. I also miss my old Touch Pro. It was my first smartphone and although I loathed Windows Mobile it's definitely at the top of my list for favorite hardware.
[Epic 4G General] stir fry a lot:
My brother in law just picked up an Evo. Its a nice phone but I'm still glad I got the Epic. The Evo's body is definitely more polished but that where it ended for me. I don't know if its because I am rooted and he's not but my 2.1 was much faster than his Froyo. I'm curious what it will be like once a custom rom comes out with it..
[Windows Mobile Software Development] TomasNM:
Hello.

I am looking for a way,how to have separate favorite people on 2 phones synced with 1 laptop.

HTC is adding a category "HTC Favorite" into the Outlook contact,which syncs with both phones,but I want to have different people in another phone.

HTC Hero I am using as a corporate phone,so my colleagues are important,HTC TouchPro is my private,so I want to have that with my friends.

Is that possible?

Thanks.
[Captivate General] geokilla:
I'm looking to purchase a Galaxy S in Canada, and I'm just worried with the problems that I'm hearing here for the Bell Vibrant owners. For the Vibrant owners, I'm hearing problems such as the internal SD died and so a motherboard replacement is required to fix it, the phone refuses to boot, etc. Owners of the Rogers Captivate, please report back so you can help me, as well as helping other Rogers Captivate owners.

I hope this isn't a repost btw. I did a search and didn't find anything here..
[Captivate General] TheShamsMan:
Hey,

I purchased one the day it was released in Victoria, BC. Since then, I've rooted, nandroid backup, and installed the OCLF and a bunch of other cool ****.

I'm constantly turning it on and off. On and off. I have the screen brightness to the max (that's the way I like it), and at stock firmware, it's freaking awesome! Runs really smoothly. I don't really find much lag, but I can see room for plenty of improvement, which are going to be coming up shortly. My biggest complaint is the battery life (65% of mine goes to the brightness), but lasts just as long as any phone on standby. I went on eBay and got 3 batteries and a charger for $10. All hail, removable batteries.

I don't doubt more phones will come out within the next month or two, but if you want one today. I'd recommend it.

Let me know if I can influence your decision in anyway.
[Captivate General] xnoctis93:
100% agree with TheShamsMan above ^

Got this phone from Vancouver @ Day 1 when Rogers launched it. Have done a ton of flashing on it, adding things, removing things, turning on and off the phone..haven't had a single problem with it so far. GPS has worked wonderfully for my needs so far(haven't tried car navigation yet though but i'm sure it would aswell work well). 100% recommend the phone. Even though some info for the Nexus S is out, I think the Captivate's looks beat it hands out. Let me know if you have any question~ :)
[Captivate General] idlewillkill:
Only had it a few days, but delighted with it so far.

I wasn't thrilled with the battery life, until I figured out the default wi-fi sleep policy was killing it.
[Captivate General] FiniteSM:
The phone is pretty good, i've had it about 2 1/2 weeks right now.

I did encounter the shutdown issue though, but after using CaptivateKeepAlive for a little while (and then uninstalling it), it has seemed to gone away, though it did happen one more time recently, so I'm playing around with the battery and seeing what the trouble is (I have contacted futureshop though, and have a replacement phone waiting for me whenever they get more in stock).

Besides that issue, I'd say the battery is the only other thing. It seems to me, that even after applying all the good settings, I use quite a bit of battery. Its hard to tell because I play games on the phone often, but using batteryplotter and spareparts, it seems that most of this is caused by my wifi, and the phone always in a 'running' state. I don't mind very much right now, as I'm always near a plug, and I could make it last a day if I needed to without charging (though no games, and very little use).

So Battery problems, and shutdown problems aside, the phone is lovely. I have no GPS problems like ATT phones report, and no problem with lag either (though perhaps I just don't notice it yet).

All in all, the phone is quick and responsive, and the 16GB internal SD is quite nice. I wonder though, if its possible to use the roms for the ATT captivate on the Rogers captivate? (given the phone is a different model #)
[Captivate General] crabjoe:
I hope the your GPS non-issue is the rule and not the exception on the Rogers Captivate. I do remembering reading an article where a Rogers rep stated that their phone with throughly tested to make sure the GPS was fixed.

Assuming it's the rule ... I wonder what change they made to get the GPS working as it should?
[Captivate General] shawn122:
I dont know what they tweaked...but it also works great for me.

All in all the phone is great. I am coming from a Blackberry Bold 9000 that I used for 2 years and decided that I wanted to try something differents.

The Wifi Sleep policy is something you should change when you get your phone.

Settings -->Wireless and network --> Wi-Fi settings --> (menu button) Advanced Settings -->Wifi Sleep policy --> Never

The constant switching between wifi and 3G drains the battery like you won't believe!