yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] halorin:
It's based on AOSP first and foremost, just like Cyanogen is. Some people don't know what pure, pure AOSP looks like, so they may not see how much is AOSP and how much is CM. Not to say that CM's contributions aren't a significant part of UD, but the substantial speed increase over CM makes me feel like UD is more than a couple of scripts and a theme.

And as far as the warez claim goes, I don't know about the wallpaper, but there's a free version of Fancy Widget available. The FW in UD is an older free version of the software.

But. I feel like even if he removed those he'd still be banned because the mods don't like him. Their house. I get it. Still speaks to their character.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] firsttimer44:
I agree with everything said. I think he has the sickest ROM out there right now. It's faster than near everything out including CM6 imo.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] King_tee:
+1 If you strip out UD settings and take off the black theme and highlights what you would have left is a cyanogen mod ROM. All he does is add extras and eye candy.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] firsttimer44:
You can say that about any ROM out there. Cyanogen is a tweak of AOSP, UD takes cm6 and tweaks it even more. Just like fresh is a tweak of stock sense, and myn tweaks it more. You strip these roms of there "extras" and your always going to get back to square one. UD is not just a pretty cm6, look at the scripts he runs they are completely different.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mitchellvii:
Let me add a level of practical sanity to this conversation.

According to US Patent Law, you can get a patent for "an improvement to an existing product".

That's what UD is: an improvement to an existing product. In other words, does your product need to be created from whole cloth in order to be legitimate? The Patent Office doesn't think so.

I have used cm6 and UD and I vastly prefer UD. Why?

1) UD is faster. PERIOD. Screw meaningless benchmarks and quadrant scores, UD stock is quicker and smoother than cm6 running Snap Turbo ever was.

2) More user friendly. This comes on many levels. The amount of "tweakiness" in UD is unsurpassed. So many things, like changing fonts or boot animations that are done manually in other roms are automated in UD. It is just so damned easy to use.

3) Website support. This is where UD blows cm6 away. When you download a nightly from UD, you know EXACTLY what's in it before you flash. If it doesn't have new features you want, you pass on it. With cm6 who the hell knows what you are getting - flashing is a risky proposition.

4) There is a certain arrogance to Team Cyanogen. Its kind of like "Ok, here's the nightly. We're too important and busy to tell you what's in it and if it breaks your phone go f*ck yourself..." I find this offputting.

UD is what cm6 should be if cm6 knew anything about user-friendliness and packaging.

cm6 carries a lot of weight at xda so UD gets banned. Just because the FDA mods can do what they please doesn't make it right.

P.S. Why doesn't Myn get banned for doing the exact same thing UD got banned for? Because Myn is a Sense Rom and is no competition to Cyanogen.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] neckface:
Yeah, this pretty much sums everything up.

http://www.cyanogenmod.com/home/android-soap-opera-ultimate-droid
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mitchellvii:
Actually no, that doesn't sum it up at all. What you are getting there is Cyanogen's spin on the whole thing. If he is unbiased he is the first human ever to be.

THE BOTTOM LINE:

UD is a better, more user-friendly rom that cm6. Its faster and has more features. UD took cm6 and made it BETTER. Period.

** Android is open-source. Cyanogen gives lip service to this in his comments but then goes on to act like he "owns" his code. Can't have it both ways.

If Cyanogen wants to slow the upcoming UD wave he can simply take a lesson from UD and make his product more user-friendly.

BTW - Cyanogen, you want to impress me? 4g baby.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] neckface:
Lol Dude, I dunno if you're new around here or what, but, Cyanogen is pretty much God. So...yeah.

The problem is the case of kanging, stealing source, not giving credit where credit is due, and then mouthing off to members of team douche all the while he cherry picks whatever he wants from Cyanogen's tree and calls it his own.

It's shady as **** and down right pathetic.

If you're going to use someone's work, you give credit where credit is due. Bottom line. It's rule number 12 of XDA and common courtesy.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mitchellvii:
I can understand where you are coming from. There is obviously some bad blood between these two. I am still at a loss at how you can "steal source code" when that source code is "open source" and by definition doesn't belong to anyone, but I digress.

The real issue at hand here is that right now, UD is just a better rom than cm6. It is faster and has a better interface. His support from his website is better. If cm6 wants everyone to forget about UD he can simply look at the things UD is doing and do them better himself.

It's called competition and it makes everything better.

** I know that Cyanogen is a big deal around here. He is the pioneer and is well-deserving of the respect he deserves - but now there's a new kid in town and Cyanogen is feeling the heat a bit. Fine, it will make Cyanogen even better. The users win.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] neckface:
It's only considered stealing when you take someone else's work and call it your own.

Cyanogen and teamdouche absolutely encourage you to take their code and expand on it, that's what makes Android so great, it's open source. They have their tree up for grabs on github, free for anyone to use, all they ask is that you give credit.

Not too much to ask for, right?

Black Droid is an AOSP ROM, but it's built from Cyanogen's tree, and he claimed it as his own. Which was his biggest mistake because I myself love the feature's UD brings to CM6. He would've had a hell of a lot more success had just given credit where credit was due in the first place. It also would've helped if he didn;t include warez in his ROM e.g. Kmobs's paid version of NexusKang, his live wallpaper.

Kmobs is also a member of teamdouche.

I dunno if you've flashed RC2, but it is just as fast as UD. Why? Because they run on the same kernel, and are built from the same tree; Cyanogen's tree.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jobryan26:
Sorry man but that isn't true.. "but officer that ain't my weed!" lol
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] halorin:
I don't know. I think UD is faster than even RC2, personally. Could be a placebo. Blackdroid credits people now, so it's a retired issue for me. I've moved on. So should everyone.

If he has warez he should remove it, sure.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
I signed up to UD's website since he's practically banished from this forum. His newest release just dropped people.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] firsttimer44:
Agreed....2.3 is a wicked rom
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] firsttimer44:
And another thread bites the dust
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jobryan26:
It was just a matter of time... Does really suck as it is a great rom and there have been some good developers jumping in and helping with it. I wish Blackdroid and whichever mod or admin would get together and work thru all this crap. In the meantime all it's doing is driving interest from xda to these developers websites. I'm done with this thread.. I have made my points. You guys enjoy your evening and hopefully things will get worked out!

*unsubscribe*
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NotATreoFan:
While I cannot elaborate on all of the behind-the-scene discussions until we reach a final decision, let me try to explain some of the key points.

The US thread was closed several times in the past for:

A) requiring registration to download

B) warez (Swype)

I have read all the posts in this thread, and it is clear that UD has loyal followers who want the full story. The thread is currently closed while we investigate the developers charging for access to nightly builds. Android is open source, you are not allowed to charge for it. In recent months, XDA has seen a lot of Android developers trying many different methods to make money from their work. And for each method we see, someone has a way to spin the details trying to justify it. To be clear, XDA has absolutely no issue with PayPal Donate links, provided that you are not required to "donate" in order to access the content.

Feel free to ask any further questions below, but please keep the discussion civil. Flaming posts will be deleted, and infractions/bans will be issued if necessary.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] -shift-:
bah.... forget it...
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] luckylui:
+1000!

N im not a senseless guy lol
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] halorin:
I appreciate you stepping in and saying that. As far as justification goes, I look at the $2 subscription to push the envelope further than other developers have, but not by enough to keep his ROM off the forums and others on.

5 bucks to get early access to betas that come maybe once a month balances out to paying 24 dollars a year to get access to what essentially amounts to a beta every single night with a descriptive changelog.

I entirely support XDA keeping warez off the forums, and agree that UD should have any instances of warez removed from the rom. I also feel like if blackdroid should not require registration on his forums to get access to his ROMs.

If you want a flagship reason to lock a thread involving UD to highlight in bold, pick the warez reason as it's indefensibly valid. But when you have people like damageless or myn in no uncertain terms say you are not getting access to early releases without a donation and their threads stick around, it creates (what I believe to be, anyway) a valid argument for bias.

Choosing the warez reason puts the ball in the UD team's court.

But that's just how I feel about it. I've been coming to these forums since I wanted to speed up my 8525. I buy HTC phones moreso for this community rather than HTC itself (Touch Cruise / Tilt 2 3D drivers debacle, waffling the touch screen on the Nexus One, gimping the FPS on the Evo), and I think the UltimateDroid rom is a great rom to use. I think it has a place on these forums.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tarheelsmj12001:
So i just downloaded his newest release. Can i just flash this over 2.1 or do i need to wipe everything first?? Thanx.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NotATreoFan:
Due to the sheer amount of ROMs posted on XDA, it is not possible that we will catch all of them soliciting donations/payments in exchange for betas. So far, all of the ones pointed out to us via an RP have been dealt with in the same manner. Please do not hesitate to report any posts you find to be in violation. This is done in confidence, and anyone reporting a post will never be named publicly.

To be fair, UD complied promptly to the report of warez being in the ROM, and the thread was re-opened afterwards.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] firsttimer44:
I just wiped cache and dalvik and everything works fine.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cmart4:
So the latest nightly is using .34 kernal...anyone try a. 35 like zens or toasts? This thing is superfast
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] halorin:
Thanks for the continued clarification. I do appreciate it, for sure.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] firsttimer44:
Would it possibly be okay to put up a thread about the ROM in the general section so we can at least talk about it? I was thinking of starting something so people could talk about bugs and what no, like the CM6 nightly thread has. Just trying to save you from deleting another thread.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NotATreoFan:
I ask that you refrain from this for another 24 hours. We should have a decision by then. I will say that if the consensus falls on the side of commercial, then Rule 11 would apply. Specifically, a support thread would be allowed, but there can be no download links or references to where it can be obtained.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mitchellvii:
If you look under Credit List in UD settings for the UD rom you can see that Blackdroid clearly credits Cyanogen plus lots of other folks.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mitchellvii:
To be fair, Myn's thread should now be shut down for at least week due to his Rule 8 violation.

It is surprising to me that this was missed for the last 2 months as having to donate to access his beta was mentioned about 100 times in his thread.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mitchellvii:
You know, cm6 and UD share so many attributes, I wonder why UD just seems faster to me than cm6? Just feels lighter and less buggy somehow. Dunno. Could be the theme.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xHausx:
you're kidding right? its the bfs
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mitchellvii:
...and thank you for the unnecessarily rude response :: facepalm ::

You know, I often wonder why some people, instead of just politely answering the question, feel the irresistible impulse to be complete pricks whenever possible?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NotATreoFan:
If you are aware of a ROM that is breaking the rules, please report it and we will address it promptly. Given that we have approximately 50 Mods for over 2,000,000 registered users, it is not possible for us to catch everything without helpful members pointing us in the right direction from time to time. ;)
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] halorin:
UD really uses BFS?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mitchellvii:
Dude, seriously? Myn is not some obscure rom that could have slipped under the radar. I feel highly confident that xda has been fully aware of Myn's Rule 8 violation and chose to ignore it.

Regardless, I have been pm'ing mods about this infraction for weeks and yet Myn's thread remains active while UD's thread is still locked.

This is your Forum. If your organization want to show bias, that is your right; however, don't pretend to be even-handed when you are not.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
+1

That's one if the most popular ROM's for the Evo along with Fresh and Cyanogen.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NotATreoFan:
Unless you have reported the thread with the little , do not assume we have seen the ROM. I am aware of only 1 moderator with an Evo, so it is entirely possible for us to miss some things.

As for us not being even-handed, you need to understand that 99% of our issues with users stem from Android. Of that 99%, 95% is limited to the Hero, Epic and other Galaxy S phones, so we have our hands full as it is.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rugedraw:
You guys are ridiculous.

The thread is full talk of people whining about how the thread got closed, and now you are throwing other devs under the bus trying to get their threads closed? That is some silly "If I can't have none; you can't either" elementary school-minded crap.

What Myn, DC and Fresh do is NOTHING like what was going on with this thread. They are not redirecting traffic away from this site nor are they asking for monthly fees. The BETA roms are sent to donors as a form of testing the roms for "x" amount of time and the devs encourage the users to report any bugs so they can be fixed before they mass release it for all everyone.

Let's see: I've had Myn's rom since its day one release on 9/27, and it is 12/1. That means that by 12/27, my 3rd $2 monthly fee would be due. That's already more than the $5 donation I made, which I made ONLY because I liked the rom he made and NOT because I care about a BETA release 7 days before it gets released any-damn-way.

Keep pushing developers way from our platform, geniuses. GREAT idea, guys!
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
Sounds like you're crying too.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Isriam:
lol crying begets crying.

Report a post if you have a problem with it, don't start an entire thread. Quick and easy way to earn a ban.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rugedraw:
How is calling you and the other out on your BS crying? That isn't crying.....that is disagreeing.

You have over 1,000 posts on this forum with tears in each one. Every time I see a post with that rice burner in the avatar, all I see is WAH WAH WAH right next to it. And this thread is absolutely NO exception.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jobryan26:
You can call it anything you want to call it, but when you give someone money and get something in return, you are "selling" which then becomes a business transaction and is against open source policy and xda's rules. To be technical about it King and Blackdroid ARE NOT selling roms, they are selling a service and this service includes access to the pre-released roms which is legal. If you don't agree with that statement then that's up to you. But, no matter how you look at it the fact still remains "

you still are not getting crap unless you give them money

"..and if it's wrong for one it's wrong for everyone. The only resolution to this is if the final roms must be released to the public free of charge, then so does the pre-releases.

We are not the ones redirecting, locking, or deleting threads so don't blame us for speaking up on equality. We are the ones that's been trying to keep devs here which is what this whole thread is about.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] willy900wonka:
Add a commercial rom section!!

So what's wrong with this site having a commercial section in each device forum? An app dev can charge through market, albeit I don't know how a preteen app can verify the payer. A listing of the "commercial" (designated breakers of rule 12 ) roms, parallels google market, and should be allowed. These are not Napoleonic law codes, they should reflect the cases of the time. The times have changed. There are costs to maintaining a development environment. Why limit android development with an outdated approach.

It's not my site, but I see where the less well funded devs are discriminated against.

Warez is in the eyes of the beholder. The site has met any legal responsibility by warning it's users.

There is a censorship issue here. Got a problem - issue a W sticker ( to a thread) wait 2 weeks if the issue is not addressed then lock it up, still subject to the trhread being fixed and reopened.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] halorin:
Also, the moderator brought up the idea of reporting other threads, not users. Our original question was why do other threads stay open and UD's gets closed. The answer was that all of the threads should be closed and essentially haven't been reported yet because the moderators aren't checking these forums every day.

People in this thread wanted fairness for UD, and the moderators essentially stated that the actual fairness would be to close other threads as well that charge for early access to betas/nightlies.

I personally haven't reported other threads because I'm not that pressed or invested, but I'm glad to know that the principles of the moderators is sound and seemingly fair (albeit in a way I didn't anticipate).

So, if someone else's thread gets closed out of this, so be it. It's only fair.

EDIT: Though I love how people have put tags like crybabies unite! and whambulance. I wonder if they'd do any crying themselves if Myn's thread or someone else's thread gets locked.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rugedraw:
I agree with everything you said, except "you still are not getting crap unless you give them money" and "the are selling a service". You ARE getting it, just not as soon as it is released. And they are not selling a service, because that "service'' becomes available to all members a week later after the BETA users have tested it. Isn't that what a BETA release is by definition?

If the OP went and subscribed to the site and is paying the $2 a month, then how is that different from just donating $5 if having the new release a week ahead of time is that important? We have one member saying he has reported Myn several times due to a rule 8 violation, and then several people saying DC/Fresh are guilty of violating this rule, too. That is extremely counterproductive to keeping devs here, wouldn't you say?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rugedraw:
That's GREAT! Defend the devs that make the stuff you like and use.....I have NO BEEF with that. I commend and encourage that, which is why I'm here defending Myn and Fresh from everyone saying they are violating rules, when they are not.

In the BETA release emails from Myn, he says to post any problems you have with the BETA release on the XDA thread. He is actually directing people BACK to this site, and NOT away from it. The differences between the two instances are beyond obvious to me.

I hope the mods do determine that the thread should be reopened. The more roms and devs, the better for us. As a matter of fact, this thread makes me want to try the UD rom just because I see all the people raving about how great it is. But why throw a bunch of other devs under the bus? That's little kid, cry-baby bull sh*t. Show your support for your dev, make your voices heard, but leave the finger-pointing to the children......that's all I'm saying.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] -shift-:
good lord.... really??... you're throwing legit devs (myn, for example) under the bus for one dev (of ud infamy) who's been outed as stealing from and not crediting one of the biggest dev teams (cyanogen and team douche) in the android community?

talk about digging yourself deeper. i've seen your other posts too, mitchellvii. they are nothing but trolling. might i recommend the following?... shut up. sit down. you're doing more harm than good; not only to yourself (which i doubt you care since you seem to have no self-respect), but also to the "dev" you're standing up for.

ps. you're responding to a mod at the moment, if you didn't realize it.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rugedraw:
Anyone else want to join? There's plenty of room in their club.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xzulez:
For sure this guys are trolling now, shift. This guys are now finger pointing out at the other devs, which is not right. I seriously don't understand why they keep posting up on this site if all they are doing is complaining and whining. If you guys did not like that your dev was banned from this site, then why don't you just go to their site and stop bashing in here.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] halorin:
I think there's a difference between throwing someone under the bus, and receiving bias in being allowed to break a rule other developers get punished for breaking.

In my opinion, it's up to the moderators to determine what is or isn't acceptable on the forums. I just want them to be honest about it, is all. If notatreofan said 'We lock his threads because we don't like him', that's the site's right. It's their site.

But I don't like the idea of locking a thread because of a rule other people break. No matter how it's sliced, there are multiple developers that ask for money for early access to their work. Debates over subscriptions/frequency is only a varying degree of the binary rule that's being broken.

So, in all fairness, if UD's thread gets locked because of it, then I feel like so should anyone else's, even if I personally don't mind the idea of donating for early access.