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[Omnia 7 General] gfreek:
For the past 6 years I have always had HTC phones.

But it was time for change I decided to go for the Samsung Omnia 7 as I'm little disappointed with HTC's offering of Mozart and HD7, it seems lately HTC is offering better android devices than wp7!

IMHO Omnia 7 is the best Samsung have produced in a long while usually there handsets feel very plastic and cheap i.e. Galaxy S etc...

The Omnia 7 has a nice solid feel due to the aluminium wrap and battery cover, with only polycarbonate plastic for top and bottom. The Super AMOLED screen is awesome it just really shows off the wp7 metro UI!:D

I could be wrong but I think Omnia 7 has Gorilla Glass because I've already had the device for the last 2 weeks and have dropped it few times and there are no scratches and if you look close the screen is not that thick compared to htc devices again a strong indicator for it being gorilla glass (Gorilla glass tend be thinner yet be strong like normal thick glass and be scratch resistant)

Design wise I think Samsung got it right, I like the square look which really goes well with the wp7 OS granted the back part could have been designed better as it does look boring and rather dated!

Overall I'm very happy with the handset and really surprised by the battery life it's impressive I get a full day and half and thats with Wi-Fi on, BT on, 40 min web browsing and about 20-30 min of calls!:)

My only gripe with Omnia 7 is the 8GB storage with no room to expand i.e. no MicroSD slot:(

I think will upgrade to the 16GB version if and when it's available in the UK.
[Omnia 7 General] skycamefalling:
Actually, the Galaxy S is one of the few handsets from Samsung that feel cheap.

I had some Samsung handsets during my life, the last I recall are the Wave and the Ultratouch and they had excellent quality -as did the other ones I had before.

I also used some HTC phones (Diamond, Touch Pro2, HD2) and, although they were good ones, they always felt cheap overall or in details.

...but to get to the point:

Yeah, I understand your feelings about the Omnia7. I have it for a week now and it is -designwise as qualitywise- the only handset here in Austria that is good enough to be a proper WindowsPhone7 device.

LG and HTC are missing the design for their phones, and additionally, HTC has big problems with slow memory and hardware/software failures.

I am glad I got the Omnia7, even if it's 8GB only.
[Omnia 7 General] m8tix:
Hi skycamefalling !

I've personally never used a samsung device and since I discovered xda I've played a lot with my first real smart phone ! I have been all in all happy with the quality of htc but since WP7 is coming and after reading a lot of reviews/comparisons I wasn't so sure any more about htc, at least related to the few WP7 handheld releases.

My company decided to take a look at all new mobile operating systems and so I got the chance to take one WP7 device for business and personal use. I neither wanted an iPhone 4 nor an Android and since I'm using android for personal stuff my choice went clearly for WP7 because I'm curious about microsoft's new mobile os even if it's version 1.0.

I got today a chance to look at htc hd7, trophy and omnia 7 and after playing a little bit with all devices my decision went for the omnia. I was surprised how much quality samsung put in their WP7 flagship and due to Microsoft's OEM restrictions Samsung could not really fail with the software compared to the android section.

Marvelous display, perfect size, nice build quality and I couldn't resist to take the omnia 7 :)

I can't wait to play more with the device, my first impressions are very positive.

Regards
[Omnia 7 General] skycamefalling:
That's a very good point. Samsung UIs always failed big time. The main reasons for me to buy HTC phones the last years have been the wonderful TouchFlo3D/Sense-UI and the great community with lots of custom ROMs.

Now the UI is made by Microsoft and Samsung can focus on the hardware.

In my opinion, WP7 shalt have a mature shell -edges, black metal and an AMOLED-screen (and a bigger battery than the competition, of course :p ).

I wish us both the fewest problems possible with the Omnia :D
[Omnia 7 General] m8tix:
I know exactly what you're talking about, a friend of mine is using the galaxy s and he always complains about a lot of bugs in samsung's os customizations and not to mention how long it took to release the 2.2 android os. And the best thing is, he was not able to install the 2.2 update with the crappy kies software.

That was my only concern but as I said, one (fair) point for microsoft because of their restrictions and I think it's not a bad decision (i.e. faster updates, so we don't have to wait for a oem/provider specific update which in most cases takes ages)

Good points, thanks, I'm definitely with you :)

---

Finally arrived home, now it's time for some extensive testing !

Regards
[Windows Phone 7 General] martoto:
Well it seems we have another broken promise here: "The truth about Windows Phone 7, software updates, and carriers’ ability to block those updates"

Hey Microsoft, where did remain the equal user experience on every WP7 device in the world? Why are you allowing every OEM/carrier to ruin (again) the whole thing? Really, WTF you're doing?
[Windows Phone 7 General] otech:
Actually, this has been discussed at length in mutliple threads.

The carriers can block OTA updates, but updates through Zune come directly from MS and are therefor unblockable - which is the way base OS updates arrive.
[Windows Phone 7 General] martoto:
Wrong. They can block the WiFi/Zune updates as well. Just read the article. So for example, it's very likely that all of those, who bought a phone now (they are available only through carriers) won't get the major update at January.
[Windows Phone 7 General] otech:
There is still debate over this.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-20022445-75.html

All will be reveled after the first update.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sir. Haxalot:
But, if the carrier can block it, can't you just unlock the phone and then install the update via Zune?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Phone Titan:
Stick in a different sim card and then they can't block the update via Zune :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] janemanno1:
Cutting through the FUD about Windows Phone updates

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/bott/cutting-through-the-fud-about-windows-phone-updates/2596
[Windows Phone 7 General] The Gate Keeper:
and they can only block the update for that round, not indefinitely. if they request a block at one round, the next will include that previous update. so really if MS update it frequently, the most you'll ever be behind is the last update.
[Windows Phone 7 General] janemanno1:
Exactly and I am hoping by then we will have custom ROMs :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
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[Windows Phone 7 General] janemanno1:
Camn down mate :)

There will be a solution to this all. If not then there are some really good ppl out here who will have custom roms.
[Windows Phone 7 General] BlueAnt1958:
Miss Information

I actually think this is all a giant furphy.

Currently on all aussie HTC W7 phones you can remove HTC and Carrier apps if you don't want them (I'm guessing this would be the same world wide) I have done this on my mozart a few times now. The HTC hub is (in my opinion) is crap and on my phone it is gone. Same with the telstra stuff.

While that is allowed, and given the current MS criteria of having the phones locked down the way the appear to be I doubt anyone will be able to control updates except MS themselves.

my 2 cents worth and you won't convince me otherwise.
[Windows Phone 7 General] martoto:
The info comes from Joe Belfiore, corporate vice president and director of Windows Phone Program Management. So if he doesn’t know how the updates would be rolled up, I can't imagine who knows :)

Another good article on the topic: "Has Microsoft put Windows Phone 7 updates in the hands of the carriers?"
[Windows Phone 7 General] rexian:
Belfiore knows very well but the ZDNet guy didn't properly interpret Belfiore's statement. Did you read janemanno1's post in the first page?
[Windows Phone 7 General] PG2G:
Would love to hear the logic that led you to this conclusion.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Jim Coleman:
Even if a carrier could block an update, I don't think they would do so without very good reason because it would cause a lot of negative press. If all WP7 users received, for instance, cut 'n' paste in January, but Orange blocked the update, all the fools on Orange would be incensed as their non-Orange mates taunted them mercilessly. Big no-no.

It's probably a minor concession Microsoft made to carriers and it might be there just to give them time to protest to Microsoft about, for instance, an update that includes tethering or VOIP.

I wouldn't get my knickers in a twist over it if I were you. Just buy an unlocked phone and switch carriers if they block an update you want. If you lock yourself into a two year contract then I'm afraid you'll just have to suck it up.
[Windows Phone 7 General] skythunder83:
Question

Did any one received an update for WP7???

It's end of January already!!!!

Let me know.
[Windows Phone 7 General] FishFaceMcGee:
No one has received one yet, because it hasn't been released yet. In fact, Microsoft never confirmed an update was coming in January. The closest they got was having the web page for the patch have "january-update" in the URL, which they soon changed. Apparently the page itself said "January Update" but I don't recall ever seeing that, and even if they did, it has since been replaced. It's still coming.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] kamii:
hey guys

i'm from germany with an unbranded x10 mini trying to upgrade it to version 2.1, since i got a message on my phone that there is a new update available (2.1)

so i followed any instructions given to me and ran pc companion. ran a backup of my phone and started the upgrade.

first step is downloading the update, which runs without any problems.

second step is preparing the update.... this is what causes trouble. it fails by 17%... sometimes by 67%.. it seems random.. dunno

i ran it about 10 times, then did a factory reset and tried again. same

is there anyone who can help? i am getting very very angry by now......... -.-
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Beerme1664:
Corrupted D/L.......
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] kamii:
and how can i get a non-corrupted download?!

i try it nearly all day right now...........
[Epic 4G General] SemiGamer:
Alright so, I know people frequently post pictures of their battery life "Unplugged for" screenshots.

So I'm wondering, whats the longest we've seen, with atleast 2 and a half hours of display on-time?

And what ROM/Kernel were they using?

EDIT:

Hit my personal best today, heres a screenshot:

5% Battery remaining according to Battstatt.

Display time is 2 hours 26 minutes

Time without signal is 86% (Horrible service here)

Voice calls is 21m 13s
[Epic 4G General] viperacr99:
You didn't post what rom/kernel you are using.

I'm running the stock rom and getting fed up with the terrible battery life...so I'll be monitoring this thread to see what my best options are.
[Epic 4G General] SemiGamer:
Oh my bad man.

I'm running Baked Snack 1.5 ROM with HeroSpecial#2 kernel right now.

Its still at 5% and currently 2d 19h 14m. Could prolly get 3days to read on there if I felt like it. :p
[Epic 4G General] elchileno:
I have to say I'm getting amazing battery life with Baked snack 1.5. I had the phone running for one day and 18 hours, I spent about 3 hours on the phone and using it constantly to check messages. I'm very happy with my phone.I'm installing 1.6 now, it should make it to two days. I had WIFi on all day.
[Epic 4G General] muyoso:
2 hours of display on time over 3 days? Anyone could get ridiculous battery life if they never use the phone.

The ONLY way to compare battery life semi equally across various roms/kernels/settings and setups is to restart the phone, turn off the display, leave it for several hours without using it at all, and measure what the %loss per hour is for a completely idle phone with no use. The longer you leave the phone idle, the more accurate the measurement of % loss per hour will be. We can then compare how much power various setups are using in idle as a baseline.

Anything other than that is open to people messing with their phone or turning on airplane mode or never using it and claiming amazing battery life.
[Epic 4G General] SemiGamer:
First, that was my normal use for those two + days, didn't have time to use my phone other than for texting and such. And if your a texter, than you know it only takes 20seconds TOPS to reply a text message, and texting is a majority of what I did with those two+ hours. so we'll say 1:45min of it was texting.

20seconds of on screen time per text = about 315 text messages, which is about what I did.

To me that is great battery life, if I can get that much battery to do that than I'm happy.

As for the way you stated, I guess this counts:

When I slept, I slept for 8 hours and some odd minutes and lost 3% the first night and slept I believe 6 hours and lost 2% the 2nd.

I guess that would mean 3hours idle = 1% battery drain judging by your method? Idk. Lol.
[Epic 4G General] socos25:
Ummm I don't even see why you need this phone if all you are going to do is text with it. There are so many other phones that are smaller, lighter and way better on battery if that is all you do. The LG rumor 2 comes to mind.
[Epic 4G General] SemiGamer:
Meh, I guess since Baked Snacks thread got closed, none of you saw my post in it before it was, stating why I wasn't using my phone much -.-

I was back and forth to the hospital all this week, no time to worry about charging my phone and no time to use it much other than quickly texting. My grandmother is in there but thats a personal note and doesn't relate to any of this.

Anyway, point is, I wasn't able to worry about charging my phone much, and I was impressed that it made it through all that without dying on me, I was planning on not having a phone for a day because I knew I wouldn't be charging it. Thats why I was impressed.

But thanks for the suggestion of yours. I'll be sure to write it on the next piece of toilet paper I use. ;)

And can we please get back to the original reason I posted this thread..?

Nobody has mentioned the best battery life they've seen on the epic. :(
[Epic 4G General] muyoso:
Well that seems like some good battery life if you only lost 1 percent every 3 hours. Airplane mode? juicedefender?
[Epic 4G General] SemiGamer:
Whats the normal drainage for idle phones?

Neither, I just turn 3G off and force roam it at home with Roam control because I get 1-bar while roaming and 0 bars with Sprint coverage at home so roaming helps the Time Without Signal a very little bit, on sprint it runs at 99% without signal at my house and on roam it runs at 80-90% without signal.
[Epic 4G General] muyoso:
I get a little under 1% an hour when idle usually. I would have to check it again tonight to see what I am currently getting. I am using phoenix 1.43 and EE 1.2.03. I use juicedefender and disable drm and toggle airplane mode and all that nonsense.
[Epic 4G General] amosher13:
i'm curious what most people are getting for % battery loss with screen on. i feel like mine tends to be high across several ROMs and kernels. its varied somewhat of course, i've used AOSP magic, EE, Syndicate and on baked snack 1.6 now. my numbers show approx 1% battery loss for every 2 minutes of screen on. so that would only be 3hrs 20min of screen on time total which is junk, lol. anyone else got reports?
[Epic 4G General] dwallersv:
First, there's just way, way, WAY too much pissing and carping that goes on around here between people about their different usage models.

We each use the phone the way we use it. If you hardly turn it on, you'll get awesome battery life. If you use it like a combination phone/PSP/iPod/Nuvi all day long, you'll get horrible battery life.

I fall in the latter category. I use my phone for business, so I talk hours a day on it. I use it for navigation in the car. I watch probably 2+ hours a day of video on it in the evenings. I listen to music while I'm out and about. I play games when waiting around (like in the doctor's office).

I do all of this usually with wireless bluetooth.

So, I'm happy if I get 6-8 hours out of a full charge, which is rare. However, it's not because the Epic has a crappy battery or sucks juice... It's because I use it to it's full capability throughout the day, every day.

That said, muyoso's point is spot-on when it comes to comparing battery hog/waif in terms of ROMs and kernels. The only thing that matters is non-use. A setup should be very stingy and sip electrons when nothing's happening. Under interactive use, there's little to nothing a dev can do to squeeze more life out of 1500mAh than, well, 1500 mAh.

I've been running Syndicate 1.2 for 24 hours now, and I can say that when the phone is idled, it's far more stingy with power than the stock ROM. The latter drank milliwatts like it was weightlifting when it was asleep and nothing was going on. Syndicate seems to barely be breathing at all when the phone's asleep -- just how you want it to be.
[Epic 4G General] k0nane:
Absolutely spot on! And thanks for the plug. ;)
[Epic 4G General] dwallersv:
Because of how an AMOLED screen works power usage will vary greatly depending on brightness setting. So, taking care to adjust the brightness to suit viewing conditions regularly can make a big difference -- or use auto brightness.

I don't think the latter does a very good job, and I don't like it surprise changing/adjusting while I'm using the phone, so in all my anal retentiveness I constant adjust it manually to suit me.

Thank God for the nice notification-bar-finger-slide-brightness feature that Sammy added.
[Epic 4G General] dwallersv:
I forgot to mention that I also surf the web an hour or two a day too :-)

It's a great ROM, once I learned not to try and be too lazy about restoring my previous setup :-)

Hey, if you guys can engineer a fix to the incredibly stupid non-mixing, single-audio-source idiocy of Android's audio subsytem, I'll give you a very generous donation. I love almost everything about my Epic and Android, and haven't looked back wistfully to my WM Omnia II until I noticed this... Can't believe Google botched something as tecnically simple and unchallenging as this.

I mean, really... there's public domain, GPL code out there that could have just been plopped in to make a barely decent sound subsytem. It's a crime that my music mutes every time I get a notification about an email, SMS, etc.

The only solution is to disable sound notifications, which I've done. I can easily live with that, but I shouldn't have to.

One thing the ACS team might consider is adding an option to disable sound notifications when certain apps are running, like media apps playing music or video.
[Epic 4G General] hdnet1:
I think for most, if you just root the phone, disable the DRM, and run a program like Setcpu it will make a dramatic difference. It did for me. I just set SetCPU to throttle down when the screen is off.
[Epic 4G General] k0nane:
We'll have a look at it, thanks for the suggestion!
[Epic 4G General] mikel719:
Can any one confirm if this is good battery life?
[Epic 4G General] y2bangali:
can u tell us approximately how long ur display was on since it does say 72%..
[Epic 4G General] mikel719:
It was on for 3 hours 45 minutes and some odd seconds
[Epic 4G General] socos25:
This is spot on!! I almost find it amusing how quickly people forget how far we have come. What you have with the EPIC is basically a fully functional laptop. I can do just about anything on this phone I can with my laptop, minus a few things, but it is a huge step forward from what we had just a few years ago. The fact this thing can run for 6-8 hours with the little battery it has is amazing.

I recently ordered a combination two batteries and a charger off Ebay for $0.01, plus $9.95 S&H. I'll let you know how it works out.

Edit: fixed some spelling errors
[Epic 4G General] dwallersv:
Yeah, I was going to make the laptop reference myself, but decided not to because the UI (simply due to physical size) makes it not as usable.

But the point is apropos... Functionally and in terms of performance, my Epic can pretty much do anything my laptop can, and I occassionally use it for things (like spreadsheets, for example), when I'm in a mobile situation and don't have my laptop.

These are really general pocket computing platforms, not simply phones.
[Epic 4G General] amosher13:
yeah i've almost ALWAYS got mine down to 10% because its fine in all settings except for bright sunlight. but i barely use my phone then. i just posted this in the Syndicate thread cause its been bugging me lately, here are todays stats:

on shuriken with xtreme kernel 1.0.1

6h 46m 56 s since unplugged

52% battery

voice calls 31% 4m 48s

display 26% time one 23m 56s

cell standby 26% 6h 54m 13s

tws 1%

phone idle 6h 30m 02

i mean 31% of 48% is like 15% of my battery being eaten up from 5 minutes of talk time? also, yes i have DRM killed via startup auditor. i've really BARELY even used the phone today so half dead blows
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] adinis78:
well i wanted to watch some Avatar using the stock video player but i can't. i tried copying over a back up from my pc but same thing. i am able to play the trailer though. anyone else have an issue?
[Captivate General] junktzu:
Hey guys, I was flashing back to the stock ROM when it got interrupted. The phone displays the phone-!-computer icon when it's turned on. I've had this happen before several times but each time I've been able to get back into download mode by removing the battery, sim and memory card, reinsert the battery, hold the volume buttons, and then plug in the USB. This time it will not go into download mode. I've searched the forums and tried all the variations but nothing will get it in to download mode. The only think i haven't tried is the soldering the resistor to the USB connector trick. Does anyone have any other ideas? I would really appreciate any help.
[Captivate General] bparkerson04:
Make sure you have Odin3 One Click [Stock] downloaded.

Try pulling your battery, hold down your power button for 10-15 seconds to drain flea power so your RAM will totally clear in case anything is still on it.

Open Odin3 One Click

Put your battery back into your phone

Hold down the up and down volume buttons on your phone, and simultaneously plug your phone into your computer.

Your phone should go into download mode which will show a yellow triangle with the android digging, and you should see your phone show in a com port in Odin. At this point, just click start and hopefully the Stock Rom will flash successfully. You can find how to flash to stock and the link to Odin3 one click in the captivate bible post in the android development section.
[Captivate General] junktzu:
Hey, thanks for taking the time to reply. I still get the phone-!-computer icon. It just seems like the download mode isn't enabled or something. I've seen this screen before but i've been able to get into the download mode without too much trouble.
[Captivate General] kegobeer:
How long have you left the battery out? Try leaving it out for at least 5 minutes before trying again. If that doesn't work, build a jig.
[Captivate General] junktzu:
Hey, i'll give the 5 minutes a shot but it sounds like i need to make an emergency trip to Fry's on my way home from the airport. Thanks for the info!
[Captivate General] junktzu:
Hey, just wanted to post a follow up... the jig cable DID work! It was a tense couple of moments after i plugged it in but it worked! I was able to reflash with odin and the phone is back up and running! Thanks a lot to the people who helped out!