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[Focus General] burningembers:
Well, 5 AT&T stores, 2 fake AT&T stores, and 3 Best Buy's later. No go on finding a Samsung Focus.

Amazon appears to be sold out and I can't figure out how to get the $35 fee waived when ordering online.

Guess I'll be joining you all later than expected - this is what I get for waiting until the day after release :/
[Focus General] enjoythemusic:
Being popular has drawbacks, yet once you get it... :D
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SynbiosVyse:
I realize this is a *common* problem but I can't find any way to resolve this! I have been searching the forums for reboot threads and haven't been able to solve this problem yet. I am quite a noob but I apologize for the length of this thread, I'm just trying to be as detailed as possible.

It all started when I flashed CM 6.0.2 stable. It ran fine for weeks and then it started to reboot occasionally on its own. It appears as though it reboots when I am doing something intensive like watching NFL mobile or starting several downloads. I tried the nightlies as well as 6.1 RC2, same problem.

I decided to try another ROM..I have tried Virtuous, Redemptive, and SkyRaider, all of which reboot a couple times the phone first boots after installation and then, they reboot randomly on their own while I'm doing various things.

I've tried the stock and custom kernels for Virtuous as well as King's Kernel BFS #5 with Virtuous. "Stock" kernels for SkyRaider and Redemptive.

Before you say anything of course I have cleared data/factory reset EVERY time before flashing a ROM. I've also cleared cache as well as Dalvik cache before I flash a ROM.

I've tried removing the SD card before the phone boots and it seemed to have helped Redemptive but it still rebooted at one point.

I rooted it with unrevoked 3 but never used unrevoked forever, although HBOOT shows S-OFF, do I still have to use unrevoked forever?

Incredible (AMOLED)

HBOOT: 0.92

ClockwordMod Recovery: 2.5.0.5

Baseband Radio: 2.15.00.09.01 (I tried 7.28 with CM, but it also had the problem, I haven't tried it again since then)

My main questions are:

(1) Should you clear the data/factory reset, clear cache, clear Dalvik, format SD-card or any combination AFTER the ROM is flashed for the first time? Is there something I'm missing here?

(2) What is the most stable ROM and/or kernel. I really don't want to go to stock but from what I remember I never had this problem on stock. I could try it again just to see if it has the problem.

(3) Should I try unrevoked forever, does it do anything differently than unrevoked 3?

(4) Would setting up ADB/logcat help diagnose the problem?

Any other input would be appreciated on how to stop these reboots. Thanks.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MMBosstones86:
same here. i'm running uncommon & KK#5 and i get reboots while listening to pandora and browsing apps.

its gotten progressively worse over the past couple days, not sure what to try. going to try flashing another rom and see how that works
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] smtom:
SD?

Couple ideas, and answers to some of your questions.

Answers:

Unrevoked3 does S-Off for you, so you don't have to do that. If it shows S-Off in HBOOT, it is S-Off.

You don't need to format the SD card w/ ROM flashes. If you do, you lose what's on the SD card. This is typically only done once - see below.

Ideas & a question/something to think about:

1] Make a Titanium Backup of all your user apps - also d/l appbrain if you haven't already, set up the appbrain account and sync it with your device. Now you have a picture of what apps are on your device.

2] With the device on, unmount the SD card, power down, and take the SD out of the device. Copy the entire SD card contents into a folder your PC so you'll have them. Format the SD card as FAT32 on the PC. (assuming you are not a mac user, in which case I cannot help...) Put the newly formatted/clean SD card back in the device.

2]Download from ROM Manager + Virtuous' stable stock ROM/kernel (included), but do not install it from ROM Manager. Reboot into recovery. In CWM, not ROM Manager, wipe data/cache & factory data reset and clear Dalvik before flashing. (you have already formatted the SD card, no need to do it again) See if issue(s) keeps happening. If so, try flashing the radio off to 7.28, then do the Virtuous +all wipes from CWM again, reload Virtuous and again and see if the issue keeps happening.

3] Go to Settings>Applications>Manage Applications ~ look thru each/every app and see if one (or many) have a ton of info in their data and/or cache. If so, clear out the data and/or cache in those apps.

4] Once you have a stable Virtuous ROM/kernel, take a look at the handy list of apps you have on appbrain - incrementally in/uninstall them to see whether any of these may be the culprit... If once you reinstall XYZ app on Virtuous' stable ROM/kernel, you may have your culprit.

5] Try a different SD card - solving for whether the SD you have is wonky.

Yep, it's a lot to do, but you want to know what is causing the reboots; ya gotta start w/ a clean slate and diagnose incremetally.

Let us know what worked (or didn't) so others can benefit from your experience.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SynbiosVyse:
I noticed that (at least in) Virtuous the browser as well as other apps use the SD card for cache. When I tried downloading files off the internet with the browser then it would crash. I changed the cache location to the phone and then it has worked fine since.

I did as you suggested, unmounted the SD card and then formatted with FAT32. My SD card was actually FAT beforehand, I think I had heard somewhere that it needs to be FAT in order to flash radios so when I was installing 9.01. Although I did have a minor rebooting problem before with 7.28, that may have been attributed to Cyanogen itself since that was the ROM I was using at the time.

So far it has been good but unless I get an uptime of at least 3 days we won't know for sure (that was about the average uptime when I had Cyanogen). If I still run into problems I'll follow your other recommendations. Thanks a lot smtom.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] smtom:
You are most welcome! There's a very good "Official Radio Thread" here on XDA. If you decide to flash the radio (my personal recommendation, but ymmv) read thru that thread before you flash the radio.

Also, I didn't mention, but implied via flash in CWM, to read the notes you see when the various areas are wiped. Why? ROM Manager doesn't show you all the notes, nor can you see what exactly may be erroring, if anything. Flashing in CWM is more cumbersome, but it is a LOT more informative if/when you have issues w/ your device.
[Legend General] ishan_rulz:
Here you go.

http://www.r3pek.org/android/roms/update-cm-6.1.0-RC1-Legend-signed.zip
[Legend General] nimr0dv:
Thank you :)
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dafish69:
I retired the G1 for now and found that the OEM G1 pouch fits the MT4G perfectly.

The sides of the pouch are open enough so you can charge your phone while in the pouch.

You can pick them up on ebay as cheap as $3.95 shipped.
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] alex9025:
Great! I still have my G1 pouch, never used anything but the pouch to protect the phone and the G1 still looks like it just came out of the box
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sym1:
Hah, so funny that you post this. I just found my G1 pouch in an old purse today, and immediately saw that it would be perfect for my MT4g. Score
[myTouch 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] OneBadLT123:
Yeah I found this out the day I got the MT4G. I came over from a G1 and thought...hmmm... and it worked perfectly! I love it.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JRDroid:
There is a thread that is the opposite of this in the MT4G forums and since I am trying to decide between the two, I'd like to hear you guys point of view as well. What about the G2 is it that you like better than the My Touch 4G? Would you ever trade?
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Okawa:
Well the G2 doesnt look like crap for one >.>
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dracoaffectus:
Most importantly, G2 is stock android, and will theoretically get updates faster.

Also, the G2 has a physical keyboard, which I still like having.

And lastly, the G2 has a normal search button on the front instead of the "Genius" button. This makes a difference because the genius button is voice search ONLY, meaning it can't be used to bring up the on-screen keyboard. Meanwhile, the search button on the G2 can be short-pressed to bring up the on-screen keyboard and type a search, or long-pressed to do a voice search. Having the option to do either one with the same button can make a huge difference in day to day use.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] c_licious:
Got the G2 first but ended up trading it for the black mytouch after 3 weeks. No remorse at all. Coming from the Nexus, the G2 just was too bulky for my liking. Don't need the keyboard and with root, sense is not an issue any more. Add to that the extra ram and ffc and the decision became rather easy. Having said that, I can understand why people like the G2. Its a great phone, you can't go wrong with it.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] smirkis:
metal vs plastic. i think engadget hit most of the points. i personally love the look of the G2, and for anyone coming from a nexus should be choosing the G2 for its appearence alone over the mytouch. the mytouch is bulkier and plastic feeling. its good for my girl tho. and she loves
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JRDroid:
I must admit, I am leaning toward the MT4G. I want to want the G2 because it looks sooooo much better. However, I think Sense truly improves the android experience from all the videos I have watched. The more I look into it, the more I think I wanted it. Coming from the Droid, I originally thought the G2 would be a no brainer, but I am thinking it will be the MT4G.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ties0:
Just get the desire z rom flashed to your g2 if you want to keep the g2. The mt4g ui is not as good looking imo.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] c_licious:
Dude, if its just sense you're after but otherwise like G2 better go with the G2. Now that we have root it won't take too long until you'll be able to flash almost any rom on either device. If you pick the MT4G you should pick it for the ffc, absense of keyboard and/or smaller size, not for its rom.

I'd suggest playing with both for a while (as in several days) and see what feels better. I got 30 days buyers remorse because I bought the phone full price at a T-Mobile store (not online) which gave me plenty time to play with the G2 and (after switching it) with the MT4G. Still have 3 days left to return the MT4G but ended up liking it so much that I won't have to.

Seriously, with root all you're looking at is hardware at this point. Won't take long for MT4G to get cyanogen and for G2 to get optimized sense roms.

By the way, when you hold both phones next to each other you'll see that they are mainly made from the same materials except for the soft keys on the G2 vs the physical keys on the MT4G. Both have metal battery covers and use hard rubber on the side (except that the G2 rubber is grey and gives it a more business like appeal). So regarding "build quality" I would say the hinge will be the larger factor to consider.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dabido:
easy.

My sense UI looks like ****.(noobs) Genius button is just plain stupid. looks more like an updated moto cliq. stick with what ever you have right now. droid or nexus. definitely not worth the jump. Especially if youre an N1 owner.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ZeroSX:
DesireZ Sense rom (from dev subforum, don't try to flash the RUU >_>). Everything works exactly the way it should, seeing as it's basically the exact same phone (save minor nuances, nothing to discuss.) Get the G2, you will absolutely not regret it.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Gwanatu:
Most importantly for me, the G2 has a physical keyboard. I refuse to have a touch only device, I have to have my physical keys.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SmartHat:
All MT's are sheet. Quickly forgotten devices, its tmo's answer to the iPhone but they'll quickly realize that they can talk sense into the typical iphone user..so the line will quickly fall apart.

The G2 on the other hand is the new standard in Android devices for Tmo users (after the Nxs) and it has full querty keyboard, perm. Root and Hspa... and a great community / following
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tak.japan:
doesn't mytouch 4g have 1ghz as oppose to 800 for g2? plus considering all of them are perm rooted, as long as desire hd have a decent dev support, I would think similar support will go for 4g?
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] PolishDude:
I think the MT4G is close enough to the Desire HD in specs that porting stuff should be easy between devices
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vashht:
I've been asking myself if I should return my mytouch for the g2, mainly because of the g2 having stock android, but I like everything else better about the mytouch. With perm root out and cm on the way do you guys think this matters that much anymore?
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Okawa:
Actually I believe the 800mhz cpu and 1ghz cpu are basically the same chip. I think they just ramped up the clock speed on the MyTouch thats all.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JRDroid:
I think I personally will go with the mytouch. I have the original droid and it's keyboard is so terrible that I only use the software one now anyway, so not having a keyboard at all won't be a huge difference. The FFC is cool and I think i would get more use out of it than the keyboard (if I use the FFC once a month that would be more than I use a physical keyboard now lol).

Looks of the phone and support from developers for roms makes me want the G2, but everything else has me leaning mytouch.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] HomeSlice2010:
I just returned my G2 and swapped it for the MT4G. The screen failed on my G2. I also have 30 days to decide but I am really leaning towards keeping this MT4G.

I really didn't like the hinge defect on the g2. The reps at TMobile weren't even aware of it and I would have stuck with the G2 had it not been for this. The Rep I was dealing with literally opened up 4 different brand new G2 boxes in front of my and the hinges were crappy on all of them. She actually told me that bc of this she is no longer going to push the G2 to anyone that comes in the store.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ThaGeNeCySt:
For me, it came down to needing a keyboard. No other reason.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] c_licious:
Sounds like a good choice. If you want a physical keyboard the G2 is a must but if you're never going to use it there's really no reason not to pick the MT4G. Aesthetics wise I find the black one actually quite slick looking.

I wouldn't worry about a lack of dev support for the MT4G. First of all the phone has only been out for a week! Despite that we still had a rooting method for the MT4G the same day G2 root came out. ClockworkMod Recovery was ported to the MT4G just 8 hours after it was available for the G2. Since the phones are so similar you'll probably see most stuff for the G2 ported to the MT4G and vice versa within no time.

One more thing to consider is that video chat will probably be an integral feature of gingerbread. Kinda makes me wonder how the G2 will fit into the android 3.0 aera... Oh, and then there's the potential hinge problem. I guess only time will tell how that's going to play out ;)
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scottmog:
this thread shouldnt exist, mt4g isnt better then g2 in any way.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] s30zgt:
I agree. You cant out iphone the iphone,this is what the MT4G is trying to do. Instead you need bring a different market strategy that the iphone doesnt fill. This was answered by the nexus one. A more enthusiast and professional appeal that will grow and evolve as it attracts more people. The G2 is a continuation of the Nexus One's efforts.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mortzz:
Well, except for the 256MB more ram.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tak.japan:
I really don't get it. Spec wise Mytough 4G outperforms G2, lets put a side the appearence and installed ROM(as both devices has been rooted).

Mytouch 4g comes with faster default processor, one could say it's the same chip, but it's still different default clock speed, and comes with more RAM.

So, spec wise mytouch 4g is better than G2, the only thing G2 has is the HW keyboard. What's so compelling about G2 other than HW keyboard?
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ibemad1:
a) Doesn't look like crap.

b) Stock Android

|_ Probably faster updates

c) Probably more dev support in the future

There's three reasons why.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tak.japan:
I said without considering appearence and installed rom. people have different taste when it comes to appearence and you can install any rom since it's been perm rooted.

one valid point is it will prbably have more dev support, but even then as long as desire HD have dev support, I don't see why these roms can't be ported over to MT4G
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pdxrealtor:
Im glad it does. I like to hear peoples opinions and experiences. They are what sounds like TMOs TWO new flagship phones. WHy not talk about them?
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] havikx:
keyboard

vinilla android

metal body

i had a g1 before this

and my sig wouldnt look so kewl if it was g1 to mytouch. lol

in all honesty, i dont envy the mytouch about anything other than they dont have to play "flip-a-phone" when making a video call. the extra 200mhz of cpu is needed to make sense run better. same wit the ram. sense is a massive theme, and we all know themes and such need more cpu to run.

besides.... rooted g1s are getting clock speeds of 1.7ghz with voltage increases. i havent seen clock speeds much higher than stock on the mytouch.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sundar2012:
i checked out the mt4g over @ best buy last wkend. It feels flimsy and looks like a toy. yes, its lighter and slimmer, but it doesn't look or feel as good as the g2. plus i hate the plastic buttons vs the touch sensitive ones the g2 has.

I remember telling my colleague that the 4g looked as if the slightest drop would break it and felt like it would fly away. if you brick it, it won't even make for a cool paperweight.

specs wise, they are about the same and i'd wager stock vs stock the g2 performs better given the 4g's sense ui - but who knows what the devs will end up doing. the g2 does have a stronger dev community, but given that the z, hd, and mt are so similar, anything they do for the g2 will probably get ported quickly.

overall, it's a matter of taste more than anything else - and i'd say you'd have to be rather tasteless to choose the 4g over the g2. the 4g is like when you take a ford focus and "pimp it out", while the g2 is like an audi.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pdorion1986:
i end up asking myself this question everyday, probably till my exchange day will come. Why?!

i think the G2, physical wise, LOOKS 10x better than the MT4G.

imo, the MT4G looks disposable with a cheap wavy housing. but that is just cosmetic, there are many different sleeve designs to protect and make it look better.

G2 has the keyboard but i never use it, i love swype, so im a bit inclined on the MT4G coz of that.

Performance i would have to say even if the G2's speed is 800 compared to the 1000 of the MT4G i think they both perform at the same rate.

bottom line, i love my G2! and i don't think ill be getting another phone until 5G comes out. lol!
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dustrho:
How many G2 owners previously owned the MT4G?

I ask this because I'll be receiving my fourth MT4G shortly due to creaking buttons, and T-Mobile suggested that it may be in my best interest to choose an alternate phone. If this fourth MT4G has the same issues I've been dealing with, I may consider going with the G2 instead. The only thing that scares me is the hinge, especially when some say the hinge is strong and others say its weak.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] the orange bandit:
I don't think you're going to find a MyTouch 4G without creaking buttons - they simply used cheap plastic on them, similar to the materials used on every MyTouch device before.

I specifically chose the G2 (my wife has the MT4G and her buttons creak) because I wanted the hardware keyboard and dedicated camera button.

People need to stop talking about the damn G2 hinge - it's not broken. Yes, some are more loose than others. Yes, I have one that is more loose (my original was tighter, but I did an in-store exchange in my first 14 days and had the poor sales lady check all 5 they had in stock, all had the same movement.

You know how I tested it? The only way you can - precariously hold the phone upside down, with your fingers around the edges carefully only holding the bottom part of the phone, and giving it a slight shake, to see if the top screen part opens (of course it does, in that position). I use my phone laying in bed all the freakin time, have never had it fall shut on me. Ever.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] blackknightavalon:
I played with both the G2 and the MT4G in the store. The touchscreen on the G2 was more responsive and accurate. Also, physical keyboard and vanilla Android.

Sent from a Western Union telegram.
[G2 and Desire Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cthulion:
The mt4g is an awesome phone. Yes, the physical buttons might creak on some, and the older ones had washed out screens, but its blazing fast even with HTC crapware on it, and has a ridiculous amount of ram. I also had better and faster connections on it than the 2 g2 I tried. Also less force closes as well.

The FFC is a great addition as well, though there is still some time down the road till we have decent software desktop clients to video chat with android phones.

The g2 does look 100x better and feel super solid. It also has better quality audio playback- although it sucks on both. You also wont have to worry bout bad screen. You'll have to worry, instead, about that horrible hinge breaking on you a year or so down the line - talk about plasticky feel!!

If you can deal with the looks of the mt4g- which is not that bad- you'll have a monster under the hood, rooted or not.

If the looks of the phone are important to you, get the g2, you also be blessed with a keyboard that can be a life saver on many situations. Just make sure you are careful with it, I wouldn't want to have such a heavy phone fall on its face...

That being said, I'm undecided. I've been through both, and am now trying a vibrant...hard to chose which one to keep. All are, sadly, unsatisfying phones on areas that could have been easily covered at this price point.