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[General Accessories] huahaonam:
I was thinking the same
[General Accessories] tj80:
Tried to update firmware again today and same result. I assume the update utility checks for new versions when you start it up? Has anyone with the new firmware noticed any difference in stability or reconnection reliability?
[General Accessories] tripranav:
when will Live View get native clock support?

I mean is it true that without the phone around, the time on live view resets to 00:00?

Will any future firmware update fix this thing?
[General Accessories] tj80:
No it's not true. It will only reset to 0:00 if you turn the Liveview off (by holding down the power button, not normal standby). After power-on it gets the time from the phone and keeps it even if the connection is broken or the phone is out of range. So it's fine to use as a watch - the only problem there is I did once accidentally turn it off, I must have held down the power button by accident!

Cheers,

Tim
[General Accessories] tripranav:
thanx tim for the clarification.
[General Accessories] tj80:
No worries tripranav.

I've had another go at updating the firmware - this time I removed the SEUS from my laptop, downloaded it again and reinstalled. Still no beans!

Cheers,

Tim
[General Accessories] rodmartin:
TJ,

When you start SEUS, It will check if there´s new updates for the program - but for this moment, only for SEUS engine. After you choose the LV at the panel, then the program will check inside its database if there´s is or not an update available.
[General Accessories] tj80:
Yep, done that - it connects to the LiveView and says it already has the latest software! Maybe I somehow got the latest version when I updated in early December - or maybe they're rolling firmware out in batches based on serial number or something?

Anyway, in desperation I bought LiveView Manager at lunchtime (the first Android app I've paid for!) to see if it was any better than the AutomateIt hack. First impressions (only a couple of hours so far) are good - I've set it to poll every 2 minutes (whatever that means - presumably it checks the LiveView service to make sure it's still running) and so far I have seen an improvement. The LiveView now automatically reconnects if back in range and I may be imagining it but the range may even be slightly better?? Will be interested to see if it affects battery life and if it's really any more stable, but given the number of disconnections and the unreliable reconnects it won't be too hard to spot any improvement.

Cheers,

Tim
[General Accessories] Bushrod:
I bought LiveView Manager last night (my first paid software, too!). Just had a disconnect with 15 minute polling. I changed it to 5. We'll see.
[General Accessories] tj80:
Before I installed Liveview Manager pretty much the only disconnects I got were when the phone was out of range. Problem is that the range is so short that this is quite often - I wear the Liveview on my left wrist as a watch and it would disconnect if the phone is in my right trouser pocket! However it was pretty solid if I left the phone in my shirt pocket. Once disconnected, though, it wouldn't reconnect unless I pressed the right button AND the phone was literally within a couple of inches! That was with the AutomateIt hack and with Sense 3.0 firmware on my HTC Desire S. With the older Sense 2.1 firmware I got the same behaviour without AutomateIt - the new firmware seems to be more keen on killing the Liveview service if there's a disconnect, the older one seemed to keep it running at least for a while.

With Liveview Manager running it seems to reconnect automatically, and do so at a greater distance (I'm at work so the only test I've been able to do so far is with the phone a couple of feet away on my desk). When I leave later I'll try a few things I know upset it before.

Cheers,

Tim
[General Accessories] Bushrod:
I just had another disconnect, but it reconnected quickly once I clicked on action. It does seem to reconnect quicker now.
[General Accessories] Psycho13:
My Galaxy SII resets itself since i installed LiveView™ application! Anyone else has this problem?
[General Accessories] Aekio:
I've just flashed doomkernel for my Xperia Play which caused the Wifi and Bluetooth native module became disable. Right after I flashed the modified WiFi and Bluetooth module released by doomlord, my LiveView and Play are rarely disconnected from each other!

I've been on this kernel for 2 days now and the result is I only have them disconnected only 1 time a day when I alive home. This might be because of the signal interruption from my Wireless Router. Other than that, my LiveView is now more than stable!!!

But the problem I have at the moment is kinda worried me. My unit would last only 10 hours at maximum even when I tried to be conservative! I set the notification of my RSS / Twitter / Facebook to 1 hour and only check the clock not more than 3 times / hour but I still end up having it alive for 10 hours at maximum.

Is this normal or it does really defect? Before this, I posted an issue about the yellowish screen. I burnt my LiveView screen for like the whole day and now the yellowish is almost unnoticeable so I just didn't claim my unit with SE yet. But if my battery is now abnormal, I guess I will just have to waste my time traveling to SE Service Center to claim mine.
[General Accessories] tj80:
Still don't really understand what the Liveview Manager app does, but it definitely does something! The original Sony Liveview App on my phone now always says "Disconnected" so I think the Liveview Manager takes over handling the connection and just uses the Liveview App as a source for alerts?? Anyway, with Liveview Manager my connections are definitely more stable, the range is definitely bigger (you can tell when it's a bit far away as it slows down but doesn't disconnect like it used to) and it seems to reconnect better - hard to tell, though, as it hasn't really lost connection enough times to test. It did disconnect yesterday evening even though the phone was in my shirt pocket the whole time and bizarrely it asked for a pairing code which it wasn't before. My phone is rooted so I used the "fix bluetooth" option to modify linkkeys and it seems to be OK now. Will see how it goes today!

Cheers,

Tim
[General Accessories] rodmartin:
RSS is a battery vampire. Try to disable it and keep notifications to >30min to see the improvements.
[General Accessories] Bushrod:
I'm going to flash CM7 to see if it helps. I think it has a different bluetooth stack.
[General Accessories] tj80:
Tried it on my Desire S, it was worse than stock until fiddling around with linkkeys, then it was the same. But I missed Sense (especially Sense 3) and had other problems - like when using the Bluetooth hands free system in my car it took a few seconds to connect audio.
[General Accessories] Bushrod:
Well that lasted about an hour. Lost the connection and couldn't reconnect. Bluetooth showed "Paired but not connected"
[General Accessories] tj80:
Have been running with Liveview Manager for a day or two now. It seems to have affected the Liveview battery quite a lot, unplugged at 7am yesterday and was flat by 8pm! Used to get a couple of days including leaving it on overnight, but have changed the RSS and Twitter polling frequency to see if that helps. On the other hand, it's definitely more stable and definitely has better range. It now works (albeit quite slowly) from the pocket of my laptop bag when it's over my shoulder which it never did before, and even works in the car when the phone is in the boot! I've had a couple of disconnects, but reconnected fine with a button press (sometimes takes a couple of goes).

Overall - not perfect, but a dramatic improvement. Definitely worth the modest cost.

Cheers,

Tim
[General Accessories] Bushrod:
I guess this is as good as it gets for now. Kind of frustrating when its a foot from the phone and disconnects though!
[General Accessories] Bushrod:
Has anyone tried using an app that prevents the phone from going into deep sleep?
[General Accessories] bluedragon1982:
on my Windows Laptop it detects as USB Device but didnt found any drivers for it :/
[General Accessories] mcnob:
And I bet you haven't had any problems since doing that, have you?

;)
[General Accessories] Orka82:
Same problems here even if it put the device in "DFU"-mode. :(
[General Accessories] mcnob:
Strange. All I did was hook it up to my PC and all my woes have gone away and the thing works perfectly now. I'm not the only one either.

This is on a Desire HD by the way.
[General Accessories] Orka82:
About the missing driver...

Just install "Update Service" from http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/sup.../detailed/updateservice/xperiax10?cc=gb&lc=en

The drivers for LV will install. Skip windows update.

No support for LV in update service... yet. :)
[General Accessories] N23:
And the battery life improved after connecting it to the mac :D
[General Accessories] CircaView:
I have an old G1, which I stopped using because at the time I could not upgrade it to Froyo. But I kept it around instead of getting rid of it. I would LOVE to use it with LiveView! What do I need to do besides rooting it and loading KaosFroyo oe some more appropriate ROM on it? Can anyone here give me guidance? Also: How do I upgrade the BT software?

Regards
[General Accessories] N23:
I'm just using this ROM and the LiveWare and LiveView Software, nothing more.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=8951978#post8951978

Has anyone found a E-Mail Plugin for LiveView yet?
[General Accessories] bluedragon1982:
i talked with @eliotstocker about it ;) he allready has the SDK now he is waiting for his LiveView, when he get his, he want to start the work on an gMail Plugin for it and maybe more plugins
[General Accessories] deephack:
I'm running the latest cyanogenmod4milestone and had the disconnection issues listed above. I've managed to greatly improve things though by installing advanced task killer and adding the liveview app to the ignore list. I'm guessing it was getting booted out of memory.

Rarely disconnects now and when it does just pressing the right button immediately reconnects it.
[General Accessories] cacheinjection:
just to let yall know, i got my liveview. no probs as of yet.

will be working on a gmail plugin tonight.

might make a new twitter plugin for use with toiuteur too.
[General Accessories] bigprengel:
yeah please do this. It's such a good idea, it shouldn't be wasted like this.
[General Accessories] tehsam:
this is such a shame. I was expecting some kind of low-power mode displaying only time and date.

maybe somebody could hack something together using the SDK, but if the battery in the live view is only lasting 6 hours now, with the display sleeping after 20 seconds, I'd assume that an always-on clock mode would drain it even faster.
[General Accessories] N23:
@cacheinjection - that would be very nice! I miss E-Mail notification so much!

It's a OLED Display so it should only consume power for the parts which are lit - I think the Firmware of the LiveView should be hacked first :D
[General Accessories] tehsam:
that's a good point- maybe there is hope after all. if I'm going to be wearing this thing on my wrist I want it to display time/date at all times!

can anyone who has connected to a PC with DFU mode comment on their new battery life? how much of an improvement has there been? seems like some of the drain might have been related to the constantly failing BT connection.
[General Accessories] lukacs.attila:
I made this DFU thingy, I think it's just placebo, but to tell the truth, connection is only dropped once or twice today, and everything is fine. I charged it yesterday, and battery indicator is only lost on sign (i think it's around 80% charged now). BTW I only used this today as sms and call notifier (had at least 10 sms's, and 3 or 4 calls).

My device is a Desire with HD ROM.

Also, I installed stock android music player, and music controlling is working with that!!!
[General Accessories] bigprengel:
Can you please upload the apk? Can't find it

thx
[General Accessories] punshkin:
how do you connect it to your computer? my micro usb cable is too thick to fit into the live view "micro-micro-usb" slot.

btw did someone notice that the sdk was released?

from what i experienced, plugins are accessable from the tile "plugins"

is it possible to make the plugin in a way that it is shown from the live view home screen instead of the plugin folder?
[General Accessories] N23:
SDK: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=9318731&postcount=35

It's a normal Micro-B cable, wider side down.
[General Accessories] punshkin:
micro b cable? never heard or seen that before...
[General Accessories] wiaza100:
LiveView 2

http://androidandme.com/2012/01/new...2-sighted-on-show-floor-before-ces-kicks-off/
[General Accessories] Bushrod:
I like the brushed chrome edge. Let's hope there are some lessons learned that will make their way to a firmware update for the original one!
[General Accessories] tj80:
ROFL! That's hilarious! :)

More details on Sony's website:

http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/products/accessories/overview/smartwatch?cc=gb&lc=en#view=overview

This one actually seems to run Android on it which could make all the difference - widgets run on the watch instead of the phone like LiveView plugins. I really love the concept, just hope they've done it right this time. Rumour seems to be a $150 price point, presumably that will equate to £150 as the UK always gets stitched! Bit steep, especially as I only paid £17.99 for my LiveView!
[General Accessories] machmandp:
looking closer i cant see that this is a great deal different to the original Liveview which we have all realised is a great concept but only if it was made by anyone other than SE.

It looks to be running on similar software and apart from the touchscreen not much seems to have changed.

to be honest after the rubbish support of the Liveview and the lack of efforts to fixing the issues do they really expect us to shell out for another watch only to have the same issues ?

At least so far this time they are only listing 2 SE phones as compatible

Personally i want to see the one i have fixed first so i can see that i at least know they can support their products better before i consider it
[General Accessories] tj80:
There's a developer whitepaper on the Sony website which gives a little more info, the screen is multitouch in 9 zones (a 3x3 grid) which is good enough for a screen that size. It's a 65k colour 128x128 OLED display, the thing runs Android and includes Bluetooth 3 support. There are some contact pads on the back of the watch, I assume this replaces the micro USB port. Sony claim the "widgets" number over 200 (edit - can't find where I read that now, sorry!) and that regular Android apps can be adapted to work on the watch using the SDK. Compatibility is claimed to be Android 2.1, though some widgets will only work on Sony phones. See http://developer.sonyericsson.com/w...ounced-and-a-new-sdk-to-create-apps-for-them/

I'm so keen on the concept I'd be quite tempted but will wait for reviews. A watch has to be rock solid reliable, and whilst I really like the LiveView there are so many niggles which need fixing.

Interestingly the old LiveView is still on the SE website, now priced at £45 - I wonder if they will keep the LiveView as a budget option and run with the new Smart Watch as a premium version? If that's the case there may be hope yet of another firmware update!

Cheers,

Tim
[General Accessories] Bushrod:
The SmartWatch does look much improved. If it is $150, then it might be a better alternative to the I'm Watch.

I honestly think our best hope now is that SE gives us some sort of trade-in. If not, then I might know what's on my Xmas list for next year.
[General Accessories] siyman:
Seems to be less innovative as I still thought yesterday. For me it's just a polished LiveView with embedded android, lacking features of being a stand-alone-device. Actually it will be more stable and convenient, but without a connected phone it's not worth a shot. That's why I believe we can keep our LiveViews alive until this new gadget gets core breaking apps that will make it into a nice little hacking device.
[General Accessories] Bushrod:
Looks decent enough.

http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/10/sony-smartwatch-hands-on-video/
[General Accessories] toshie_san:
Buggy LiveView App

Hey guys, I've got the first gen of LiveView watch. Using the liveview app is a nightmare on my Galaxy Ace.

I have no connection issues and overall, the watch performs great! Only thing is the LiveView app hangs or lags the hell out of my phone. After every half to 1 hour plus the app will lag my phone, so lag that I must pull out my phone battery to restart it.

My phone is using Froyo 2.21. Any alternatives to LiveView apps guys?

Thanks~
[General Accessories] ran495:
hi guys! i'm thinking of getting myself a sony liveview as i will most probably cannot wait for the smartwatch to fall within my price range... but i just wana ask you experienced users of the device a couple of questions if you would enlighten me.

1. I read that the connectivity issue has been resolved (more or less) as compared to before, but is it compatible with LG phones? I'm using a P500 Lg optimus one.

2. Anyone know the standard battery life on this thing? I read somewhere if you kept the screen on it doesnt last for more than a hour?

Thanks in advance!
[General Accessories] Tippfehler:
After installing of ICS 4.0.3, my LV does not show plugins until I recover them with TitaniumBackup.

I can install all LV apps and plugins from the market but they are invisible in LV.
[General Accessories] siyman:
Are they visible within the updated LiveWare-Manager app? (There is a brand new list function)
[General Accessories] Tippfehler:
Yes, they are visible in the LiveWare-Manager app.

I have tested it with the non working (in ICS 4.0.3) Calender plugin.

Nearly all plugins are not working in ICS (beta).

(gmail, calendar, camera)
[General Accessories] tj80:
I would strongly refute any claims that the connectivity issues have been solved. It's variable, some people have more luck than others but it's certainly not what you'd call "solid". In my own case (HTC Desire S with rooted but otherwise stock Sense 3/Android 2.3.5 and the 3rd party LiveView Manager app) I've got it more or less usable IF I keep the phone in my shirt or jacket pocket. If I put the phone in my trouser pockets it will disconnect at some point as the Bluetooth range is too short, then the LiveView app will close on the phone preventing reconnection. Sometimes the LiveView Manager will restart it, sometimes I have to manually launch it, sometimes it still won't work but will start working again after a few minutes!

As for battery life, it depends on what notifications you have and how often it polls. When mine's working and connected I charge every other day. If it disconnects the battery drains quicker, and the battery meter is useless. If it gets down to half you can be sure it will be completely dead very shortly afterwards.
[General Accessories] azazel303:
Only one problem left

Thanks to everyone who has contributed to this thread! I have a Kyocera Echo (the dual screen phone) and I only have one problem left to get my Live view working properly.

Like most I get disconnected from time to time and the problem occurs during reconnection (like everyone else it appears).

I have rooted my phone and I am running 2.3.4 on it.

Changing the Linkkeys file by modifying the last two numbers for the LiveView doesn't appear to work on my phone. If I change them to 0 4 then I can't pair with the LiveView at all. In fact the only way to fix this is to delete the linkkeys file and then reboot and start the pair process all over again.

Since changing to 0 4 won't work it appears, does anyone have any additional suggestions to supress the pairing notification that requires me to click "ok" on?

If I didn't provide enough info please let me know. Taking a shot in the dark and seriously considering I'M Watch....just want to see if I can get this little guy to work.

I appreciate any help i receive.
[General Accessories] ran495:
So its still a persisting issue? man, and the battery thing is not very encouraging... maybe i will just wait for the smart watch.
[General Accessories] siyman:
But even the smartwatch will be connected via bluetooth - including all the connection issues and so on. For me as an xperia pro user I have no real problems with this. Sometimes the LiveView needs some seconds for fresh polling but afterwards it's running just fine. Especially by having the music player running the connection won't be lost.
[General Accessories] tj80:
It's the LiveView's implementation of Bluetooth that causes the problems, not Bluetooth itself. My phone will reliably link to my Mac Mini from the other side of the house; my car connects to my phone perfectly and instantly every time with a rock solid connection; my laptop connects to my phone perfectly every time for file transfer. I appreciate that all those devices are bigger than a watch and probably have better aerials/more powerful BT systems but a reliable range of a few feet really shouldn't be impossible in a watch!
[General Accessories] susanchen:
i like Sony Ericsson. But my BF bought one for me not with this brand. From the apperance, it is pretty. But the quality is not good. Just a little dissapointed.
[General Accessories] ayturkozmen:
Dell Streak 5 "on the device using DSC 0.7 Prerelease v2 (Gingerbread 2.3.3) rom.

SE MN800 and SE MW600 When used in connection with the problem and the MW600 music function problems. I tested 24 hours and no problems were encountered.

Paired the two devices;

data> misc> bluetooth> incoming_connection.conf file;

58:17:0C:EA:91:09,1,1326572326784-1000 ------> MW600

00:21:9E:94:AD:23,-1,1326587152292-1000 ------> MN800

consists of rows and is causing the problem. MW600 row was entirely erased and only the MN800 row changed (edit: -1 to 1 (sorry i'm forget);

00:21:9E:94:AD:23,1,1326587152292-1000 ------> MN800

saved and exit after reboot.

In addition to the applied methods Drakosha and timspb (thanks drakosha and timspb).

Now is working smoothly.

Sorry bad English.
[General Accessories] siyman:
I'm a little suspicious about that because my incoming_connection.conf file is empty but LiveView is paired correctly.

Despite that: Thanks for this two links, interesting kinds of software.
[General Accessories] toshie_san:
Hey guys, any solution to my problems? Thanks.
[General Accessories] Bushrod:
Is there a gingerbread update for the Ace? I'd try that first.
[General Accessories] Tippfehler:
After testing a lot of plugins, I think the incompatibility with ICS is a problem of the plugins.

SimleGmail is visible in LV and is working.

http://androblip.huiges.nl/blog/simplegmail-plugin-for-liveview/
[General Accessories] rodmartin:
Dude, there isn´t incoming_connection.conf file at bluetooh (and bluetoothed) folders. Are you sure this is the correct path? :)
[General Accessories] Bushrod:
I have the incoming_connection.conf file as indicated. Are you suggesting changing the -1 to 1 on the MN800 line to improve the connection? I'll give that a try, too.

I've also been using the latest Liveware Manager released on January 10. It seems to reconnect faster now.
[General Accessories] ran495:
hi sorry for repeating myself, but has anyone tested this for the lg optimus one?

and whats the avg batt life of this thing?

so far, from what i read the bluetooth connectivity issue seems to be a hit or a miss right now... i haven't seen any definite fix to resolve the issue. correct me if im wrong guys.