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[Focus General] ksaunder:
Thank you, i just heard some places that after they removed the card they only had 15 MB of memory, but i figured it was just because they failed to format the device after they removed the card.

This whole thing is just kind of annoying. Love WP7, not a fan of having only 8 GB when the device was sold with expandable memory as a feature, and now my 16 GB card will likely never work for anything else.

"Update, worked out something with Samsung... After it's complete, I'll post results."

What type of "worked something out" are we talking about? You've got me excited there might be light at the end of the microsd card tunnel.
[Focus General] SuperSport:
Probably not much light. :( I'll let you know what happened when it's done. But, keep in mind, there are reports that you CAN reformat the card in a Nokia N8 phone. If you can get your hands on one...
[Focus General] FL5:
From what I understand, anything running Symbian should work, as it's a quirk of Symbian that it actually supports the secure standard, not just Nokia or the N8. If there's an ATT store near you that has a Sony Ericsson Vivaz (omega lol), that should actually work, too.

Edit: Saw this post where a fellow claimed to be able to reformat WP7-secured cards in his Nokia E71, which runs Symbian S60. I have an old Nokia N75 flip phone that likewise runs S60 that I'd retired, but had stashed in a drawer. Booted the sucker up, and, sure enough, it gave me the prompt to reformat the card from my Focus.

Let me repeat that: My old flip phone can fix WP7 storage cards.

Plenty of old nokias out there, guys. Reformat those cards that were failing and run benchmarks on them so we know what to look out for.
[Focus General] SuperSport:
I've got three old Nokia's, but None with SD Slot. :( That was first thing I thought of too. ;)
[Focus General] dude6595:
when are these dang "cerified" cards gonna hit the freakin market??? im sick of waiting i need more space but dont wanna use anything "not certified" so i dont have to keep messing with back ups and what not.....this is bs already....
[Focus General] tripntx:
Starting day 15 tomorrow since installing 16GB Patriot C4 mSD. Still haven't had any problems. Started loading up what little I have in the way of pictures and some video, but still haven't passed 8GB yet. Want to get passed it this weekend so I can see if this card will really work or not. Guess I'll record some video tomorrow just to sync and see how she acts.

So far:

Total Storage 22.12GB

Available Storage 16.52GB
[Focus General] tripntx:
What is something easy to download which will take up a couple of gigs? I've synced my entire photo album then created a few video's trying to use up space. So far it have:

Total Storage 22.12GB

Available Storage 15.27GB

Really want to make sure I'm using the mSD card to find out if it's going to work or not. I'm not currently a person who normally places music and video on phone but I'm willing to do so for this experiment.

Edited to add:

Thanks FishFace, will give Podcast a try later. No music stored, that's what XM is for, but I finally realized the video recorder on this phone had to be set to 720P each time. Once I finally set it, I'm able to make a few video's of my saltwater aquarium to eat up space. So far I've passed the 8GB point with only 14GB of available memory and just started another 720P video recording. No I want to get below 8GB of available memory to have 16GB used up. Wonder when I'll start seeing problems?
[Focus General] FishFaceMcGee:
The Engadget Show. Download it through the Zune marketplace. They're hour+ long HD video podcasts. Otherwise, just sync ALL your music, unless you don't have more than 8GB of music on your computer.
[Focus General] tripntx:
I'm officially using mSD now after making some 720P video recordings.

Total Storage 22.12 GB

Available Storage 13.09 GB

I also turned phone off and back on, still booted up withing approx 30 seconds. No problems yet. Wonder if it's a ticking brick?
[Focus General] TriAxisFL:
I bought a Centon 16GB Class 6 today. After soft reset I was faced with the dreaded 15MB problem. Tried numerous things, everytime I got the 22+GB back, after soft reset I was back to 15MB.

I figured since the Centon 8GB Class 6 was reported as working, that this one would work. Probably gonna return the card. And patiently wait for an MS update or certified cards. :mad:
[Focus General] TriAxisFL:
So after my Centon 16GB Class 6 card stopped working. I wanted to try and reformat it. My PC wouldn't recognize it. I tried my old WinMo 6.5 with various programs like Resco Explorer and MemMaid. None of them would recognize the card either.

I then put it in a OLYMPUS STYLUS TOUGH camera and it immediately asked me to reformat the card. Put it back in my PC and it immediately showed up as 16GB. Now I'm gonna try a few various formatting options and see if I have any luck with them.
[Focus General] psills:
Looking at either a:

Sandisk 16gb Class 4

Kingston 32gb Class 4

for my Focus. I've read through the entire post, and am wondering if those who say their's are working have any further comments. Anyone for whom these are NOT working?

Thanks
[Focus General] FL5:
TriAxisFL: If you wouldn't mind terribly, could you check your card's read/write speeds with CrystalDiskMark so that we can start to get a better idea about what speeds work and don't work for the Focus?

Thanks!
[Focus General] naplesbill:
I am somewhat surprised by that. I am glad I bought the PNY 16GB to upgrade capacity from the 8GB Centon. I gave the Centon 8GB to a friend and he is using it in his Focus with no issues. I have not had any issues with the PNY 16GB either. I have about 8GB left so I know it is using the card.
[Focus General] tripntx:
Before purchasing and placing a 16GB Patriot C4 in my Focus, I tried a Kingston 8GB C4 in it, and it worked. So I now have a 8GB mSD which can't be used until I find a Nokia phone to reformat it.

I placed the 8GB mSD card in SD card adapter and my computer wouldn't recognize it; it wouldn't even acknowledge a card was in the slot. Placed it in Canon A720IS camera and it said card error and wouldn't even allow me to highlight reformat in menu. Finally I placed it in Olympus E-PL1 camera and it also said card error put did offer format option in menu, unfortunetly when I tried reformating with Oly E-PL1 it displayed a card error screen. So I'm still stuck with a non working 8GB card until I find a Nokia to borrow or someone comes up with freeware which can be used.

I did try placing card back in computer but it still doesn't show a drive.

At least my Patriot 16GB C4 card is still working after two weeks.

Total Storage 22.12GB

Available Storage 12.87GB

So I'm actually using more than the 8GB internal memory.
[Focus General] TriAxisFL:
Here is some addtional info about using a camera to format your SD card, in regards to getting a "Card Error" message.

I too received a card error message when trying to reformat my card using my camera at first. The trick is to once again format it in your Focus using the (Volume Down+Camera+Power) format option. Make sure you get to the initial setup menu and make sure the memory card memory shows up in the "About" menu. (If you don't get the inital setup menu and have the 15MB of memory issue, you will have to reformat your phone without a card, then reformat it a 2nd time with a card.)

Then turn off your phone, but DONT turn it back on. Something is happening when the phone turns back on that makes these cards unusable. Remove the card from the phone and put it in your camera. At this point you should be able to format it in your camera without get the Card Error message.
[Focus General] TriAxisFL:
I performed the standard 5 pass test using a 1000MB file using Crystal DiskMark. Here are the results.

Sequential READ= 15.75 MB/s

Sequential WRITE= 8.712 MB/s

Random READ= 15.60 MB/s

Random WRITE= 1.680 MB/s

My SD card is currently formatted using the exFAT file system. As I was testing numerous file system and allocation size formatting last night. I will format back to FAT32 and test again. UPDATE tested again with Fat32 file system and the speed were basically the same. Just slightly faster.
[Focus General] FishFaceMcGee:
I would advise against the Kingston 32GB Class 4 card unless you're ok with it taking days (not an exaggeration) to sync all your content if you have 20+ GB of music/podcasts/etc you want on there like I do.
[Focus General] tuffluck:
i picked up a 16gb class 2 from microcenter (microcenter brand) for $29 total. i have had it in for a week with 0 problems, and i have enough data to push it over the 8gb internal memory threshold.

i'm starting to think it's really not about the card so much as the phone. some phones seem to be good and some not so much.
[Focus General] Slick2020:
Okay guys quick question

I bought a 16 GB Centech and it showed up but was turned into 15 MB after hard reset.

What if I just reformat it and never turn the phone off, will the phone remain with all the memory?
[Focus General] FL5:
Not all class 2 cards have the same random read/write rates. Problem with a lot of the Sandisk 16 gig class 2's is that they've been around for a while, and old ones are likely a lot less capable than more recent ones. I have a fairly newish one that tests at just about the same data transfer rates as one of their new class 4 cards. However, no one is putting forth the effort to benchmark any of the cards they try, so it's still entirely a guessing game at this point.
[Focus General] SuperSport:
Hard Reset or Soft Reset? A hard reset will always wipe the card because the card becomes an extension of the main memory. After Hard Reset, you will always need to reformat the card. Soft reset is just powering off the phone and back on, unless there is another way of soft reset that I'm not aware of. :o That should (if the card is compatible) leave your data in tact.
[Focus General] Slick2020:
I mean, I know that if I hard reset i lose everything.

Can I just go forever without turning my phone off or will It eventually shut down on me
[Focus General] FishFaceMcGee:
In my experience, if the card is unstable (as yours seems to be) it will end up hard-crashing on its own, turning it off.
[Focus General] SuperSport:
Sorry, there are different levels of experience on here, and I was not sure where you were. Nothing bad meant by it. :o I agree with the above post. I had a card that was not stable on a restart, and I ran into issues with it rebooting itself after a couple days, wiping my data along the way.
[Focus General] GrayWolf:
Another 32GB Kingston 'problem' card

Just wanted to report in that I had a Kingston 32GB card installed in my Samsung Focus that turned out to be unstable as well:

On the bottom of the front of the card is the following text:

SD-C02G Taiwan

SDC/32GB 4 2 (with letters "Pb" in a very tiny circle)

RV8AAYCOH is located on the connector side of the card.

The "good news" for me is that my AT&T HTC Tilt was able to successfully recognize and reformat the card. It is now back at its default FAT32 format and I'll be looking to offload it shortly.
[Focus General] Slick2020:
Oh okay thanks, I'll just pop it out for now. In Canada the card cost 99 dollars with tax and for now its a paperweight :mad:

I'm going to need to find a way to format it asap
[Focus General] SuperSport:
So, what ROM were you running, and what software did you use for this?

Also, how much are you looking to get for it?
[Focus General] GrayWolf:
I am not sure which specific ROM I am running (insofaras who cooked it up). Here are the specifics from my AT&T Tilt:

ROM Version: 3.57.502.2 WWE

ROM Date: 07/17/08

Radio Version: 1.65.21.18

Protocol Version: 25.88.40.05H

As for selling the 32GB card - I am actually returning it to the third party buyer I picked it up from off Amazon since I'm still in the return period (there's a bit of a story here but is rather off-topic so I'll avoid spamming folks about it). ;)
[Focus General] ITDRAGON:
Does anyone know if the TopRam 16 Gb Class 4 work in our phones? Seen them on Amazon.
[Focus General] djca:
Here are my results from the Micro Center-branded 16GB microSD card:

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

CrystalDiskMark 3.0 x64 (C) 2007-2010 hiyohiyo

Crystal Dew World : http://crystalmark.info/

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

* MB/s = 1,000,000 byte/s [SATA/300 = 300,000,000 byte/s]

Sequential Read : 15.725 MB/s

Sequential Write : 3.754 MB/s

Random Read 512KB : 13.598 MB/s

Random Write 512KB : 3.156 MB/s

Random Read 4KB (QD=1) : 1.362 MB/s [ 332.6 IOPS]

Random Write 4KB (QD=1) : 0.441 MB/s [ 107.7 IOPS]

Random Read 4KB (QD=32) : 1.301 MB/s [ 317.7 IOPS]

Random Write 4KB (QD=32) : 0.478 MB/s [ 116.8 IOPS]

Test : 1000 MB [E: 0.0% (0.0/14.8 GB)] (x5)

Date : 2010/12/14 14:48:47

OS : Windows 7 Ultimate Edition [6.1 Build 7600] (x64)

I'll put it in my Focus later.
[Focus General] FL5:
djca: That's exactly what I want to see more of in this thread! Thanks!

Wow, it's neat to see how it's comparative to my SanDisk 16/4 in some categories but blows it away in others. That's almost 4x the 4kb/32 write speed that I'm getting! Definitely looks like that might be a brand well worth experimenting with!

C'mon, guys. Post your numbers! It will probably be the only way we figure any of this out!
[Focus General] FL5:
While I haven't used this one myself, I have talked to a fellow who has used that card since he got his Focus on launch day, and he has reported no problems with it. Grab one and benchmark it for us! :p
[Focus General] psills:
Can someone supply the part number for the Microcenter card? The do not list the class ratings for the cards on their site.
[Focus General] djca:
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0304662

That's the one I bought. From my receipt:

988618 IPSG MICRO SDHC 16GB BULK

No packaging whatsoever aside from the plastic case and the SD adapter.
[Focus General] dhan911:
Did anyone try the microcenter 32GB class10 yet? I intent to try one out if not. I can pick it later tonight in Cambridge, MA

http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0349730

Edit: Never mind, I am dumb! :p That is not microSDHC
[Focus General] djca:
I think that won't fit in the Focus. ;)
[Focus General] djca:
I installed the Micro Center 16GB microSD card in my Focus and the results are not good. I loaded it up with musics and apps until only ~7GB free space is left.

I didn't notice significant slowdown when syncing my music library. However I experienced the phone shutting down by itself at least three or four times.

When I restarted, it went back to reporting 22GB total space.

One time, the phone restarted by itself and all apps are gone, and the About page reports 15MB. I did the reset on the About page, and after the obligatory warnings of erasing all data, when it came back on, it went back to reporting 22GB total space and all apps are back.

At this point my battery meter was almost empty, so I plugged it into the charger before doing the reset. I'll try to observe if it turns itself off, or resets during charging. If it doesn't act up while it's being charged, I wonder if the intermittent problem is related to power issues. Maybe the Focus does some power saving which at times cuts off or reduces power supply to the microSD which then confuses the hell out of the OS.
[Focus General] Thresher:
Can someone clarify how you are using the following terms as it seems to be different than how it has been used in the past:

soft reset (how is it performed)

hard reset (how is it performed)

In my understanding, if the phone resets itself to stock, it is considered a hard reset. It doesn't matter if the internal reset was used or the physical buttons. A soft reset is normally considered a non-data loss activity to simply reset the phone startup services, etc. (Powering off and on).

Anyway, my phone works fine on some 4 year old microsd card.
[Focus General] emjee87:
I didn't bring my laptop with me to work today, so I have yet to do too much with my phone other than installing some apps, but it's been my understanding that a hard reset involves holding down the power button, volume down, and camera button. A soft reset is by holding down the power button and or going through the phone menu to do a power down. Someone please correct me if I've got this wrong.
[Focus General] rexian:
The 16GB class 6 A-Data card listed on the first page as "not working", is it this? I was planning to get this later when I get the Focus.
[Focus General] ryotgz:
It looks like the one I have that doesn't work. Except mine says "turbo" in the top right corner.
[Focus General] enjoythemusic:
Class 6 Transcend 16GB card

The card in question:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ef=oss_product

DOES NOT WORK

First recognizes it all, then after turning off/on cycle only recognizes the first 8 GB
[Focus General] ryotgz:
I guess I'll have to see how fast I fill up my phone. At least my 4GB card works to give me some extra breathing room. But I would love to have my 16GB work. I hope the fix comes before the "early 2011" update.
[Focus General] markgamber:
FYI, I'm using a couple years old class 2 8 GB Sandisk card and it appears to be working just fine. I noticed no speed difference between the before and after. At least not yet.
[Focus General] Thresher:
Soft Reset: Samsung Focus will be powered down, all settings, apps and data are saved.

Method 1: Hold Down Power Button (Goodbye!)

Hard Reset: Samsung Focus will be returned to its original state with full data wipe.

Method 1: Hold down the Power button, volume down button, and camera button

Method 2: Go to the Start screen, select Settings. Select the About screen. Select 'reset your phone'

Sorry for the mini thread hijack all.
[Focus General] TheMarkness:
Friends Focus just did this as well, 32gb SanDisk class 2 card he got from the ATT store worked great from 9am yesterday and bam tonight had it lock up and then restart to nothing along with the dreaded "15mb" storage under settings about phone. He shut it back off, removed the battery and reseated the sd card and now it's back up with everything but it's still not 100%. His contacts are all unlinked from his Google and facebook accounts so, I've gave up for now until a fix comes out along with a list of compatible sd cards. Nothing worse then going weeks only to have it fritz and reset everything, not worth it.
[Focus General] dcsmaniatico:
Mad mad mad super mad

Dear microsoft:

SD cards where created to exchange mediaaaaaaa not for permanent use you A*&(holesssssssssss...............

CANT WAIT FOR SOME ONE TO HACK THE OS SO THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN......ALL THIS WAS SIMPLY AVOIDED.....

I have installed hundred of apps in my 6.5 windows phone in my microSD card and they run great....they just wanna

try to protect their apps but there are still gonna get hacked....

SORRY I AM JUST MAD........

I feel like I got a new limping phone.......the poor little fella wanna be cool but has a limp on his memory leg :(
[Focus General] emjee87:
I'm sorry to hear if you feel misled in anyway about the product. It's a ****ty situation at the moment, but I have no doubt that it will be remedied soon enough. However, you could always return your phone if it's a dealbreaker for you, I'm sure.
[Focus General] Seed 2.0:
I second this!!! :(

I will say this though. This is my first smart phone, and though the memory issues are frustrating, its not a deal breaker for me. I got the phone, brought it home,added memory, linked phone to my Windows Live and Zune accounts, installed as many apps as I could from my list in the 30 minutes I had, added music,pictures ,Xvid movies, went to work powered down and poof all was lost. HOWEVER... when I got home and opened Zune and plugged in phone, all my contacts, photos, apps, music, movies were put back on my phone automatically. Since I like to tinker, this atm is a wash for me. My hopes are by the time I've satisfied my current curiosities there will be a fix.

***Has anyone been able to use there MicroSD after phone formatted it? Mine is dead to everything but the phone after the phone formatted it.***
[Focus General] XeNoMoRpH1030:
My understanding is (in Windows) you have to open Disk Management and format the card from there. When it's formatted with a Windows Phone, it only works on the phone.
[Focus General] TheKenAnthony:
Ok i got my phone ( Focus ) yesterday.. booted up and on at the store.. brought it home turned off.. pulled battery.. put in a Sandisk 16gb class 2 card.. put battery back in.. press power, camera and volume down at the same time.. when samsung showed up on screen and it vibrated i released power..a format screen shows up.. ( if a screen shows up that says downloading and wait 10 min.. just pull the battery and attempt again i had to do this about 4 or 5 times before i got the format screen to show up..) .. once it shows up you hit the windows button to format and phone restarted and said i had something like 22gb memory.. then i added a couple apps and songs and just to be safe and make sure.. i held down the power button until phone turned completely off and then powerd back up and boom all my data and stuff are STILL THERE!!! .. i have turned the phone off and on several times just to check and everything still works perfect.. after syncing everything and putting pics and music on phone im sitting at 20.30gb right now.. im hoping this will help someone i hate that people are having problems.. but i did mine this way and everything is just a ok!!...
[Focus General] emjee87:
Thanks for the info. It seems people are having the best luck with SanDisk cards
[Focus General] MHC48:
Amazon is going to be very confused about the raft of Transcend 16 GB Class 6 micro sd cards it gets back within days after shipping them out.

I think I will wait a while before ordering something new. Before it crashed I was surprized at how little space was taken up by the mass of Zune music I synced to the phone. And I've flashed so many ROMs so many times on various HTC phones I've owned that restoring data to a Focus will be a cinch.
[Focus General] XeNoMoRpH1030:
To add to the list, my friend has a Focus and installed a Kingston 8GB Class 4 card. He says it is working after a soft reset. No settings/files have been lost.
[Focus General] TheKenAnthony:
and just to add i wanted to make sure aboout everything.. i went and sync to zune on my desktop and transfered 388 songs and some pics and videos onto phone and phone storage showed up at 18gb on zune after sync so it all worked out great.. and after i unplugged phone and powered down and powered back up and STILL HAVE EVERYTHING... im using a 16gb class 2 sandisk...
[Focus General] emjee87:
I'll add it to the list since he's performed a soft reset and maintained his data. Just out of curiosity, do you know how long he's had it installed? It seems some people are finding that their storage remains intact after soft resets, but after a day or so their phones act up and require a factory restore. Doesn't seem to be widespread, but not necessarily something to look over either.
[Focus General] eknutson:
To that end, I'm at 48 hours w/out problems with my SandDisk 16 GB class 6 card (already in the list above). Don't know if you want to try and track that as well, but if you do, there's my info :)
[Focus General] ricky119:
just got my Samsung Focus, installed my Sandisk 16G C4, works perfect so far
[Focus General] tripntx:
Been using approx 10GB of memory on this Patriot 16GB mSD card for the last 5 days and haven't had any problems.

So far:

Total Storage 22.12GB

Available Storage 12.42GB

I even ran it last night until no battery bars remained and then did a soft reset, no memory lost.