yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Windows Phone 7 General] matthewhypolite:
Indeed, when a brave soul gets a VP and willing to scrap it hunting for the microsd, then we'll know for sure. Until then, all i can do is hope.
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
I thought microsd would be a huge deal breaker for me. Using the htc hd7 and playing games with it I have to say I wouldn't mind nand primarily due to HORRIBLE load times almost on the level of ps1 loading. That said 16 gig is not a deal breaker for me either because I don't listen to that much music. I actually invite the 16 gig nand rather than microsd actually
[Windows Phone 7 General] matthewhypolite:
My Current HD2 has 16gb and ive been wanting to move to 32gb for a long time, my phone is my main source of music, its basically my car deck, i really really want 32gb or more.
[Windows Phone 7 General] efjay:
You're kidding, how do they expect you to know when the bloody thing has finished charging, telepathy?

Anyway, thanks for the continued info. As much as I hate HTC it may be the better device in the end, and that is really painful to consider.
[Windows Phone 7 General] raimeiken:
Does anyone know how much the 16gb version going to be with a 2 year contract?

I know the 8gb is $199 with the 2-year contract, but the 16gb?
[Windows Phone 7 General] eyan15:
You could try turning on the phone to check it ;)

But guess what there is no numerical representation of the battery too, so it's mostly guess work to figure out how much is left...

These makes me feel that they have at least 3-4 versions to catch with Android. If physical keyboard is not that imp to you then, I guess HD7 is the better option.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ericc191:
Lol, hold on.. there's no LED? Not cool.

The storage, I would prefer NAND/SSD over removable. However this is a deal breaker for many.

WiFi issues, probably will be fixed with an update or exchange.

Speaker issue reported by one guy, probably just his. Exchange.
[Windows Phone 7 General] efjay:
Thing is I dont like HTC phones, I have an HD2 and the camera has let me down several times with poor pictures and the battery is completely useless, just had enough of their corner-cutting so its really not my first choice. I think I'll be sticking with the Dell and dealing with its limitations.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ericc191:
Same here. I actually have my notifications turned off on my G1 as we speak and did the same on my N1. I leave my phone plugged in when at the office or home, so it should always be nearly full anyway.

I really did like the Samsung Focus, though. I wrote it off like many people here did, but it felt great in the hand and not cheap at all. Shame it doesn't have some 1700 love.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Silent Shark:
Seems like someone has found the microSD slot:

http://wmpoweruser.com/dell-venue-pro-unboxed-no-accessible-microsd-card-revealed/#comments

http://yfrog.com/eq31369629j

And on the notification LED issue, it's not that big of a deal for me. It would be nice, but I'm sure a glance at the home/lock screen will suffice. iPhone users manage without one don't they?!
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
The SD slot is a relief, although revealing it voids the warranty. I have a theory that they all have secret slots waiting for an official Sandisk/Microsoft Micro SD card that would fit in there (like on the xbox 360). Why putting an unused slot in there otherwise?
[Windows Phone 7 General] DeekoVB5:
They just cover it with tape?? That's funny....and good to know.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ericc191:
Damn.. OP, can you test the load time of this game on both devices?

Retro Spaced
[Windows Phone 7 General] eyan15:
Ok this is what I going to do today, Any more req please let me know.

Video:

Unboxing (both HD7 and VP)

how the battery pops off

Boot time comparison

Load Games

Speaker volume
[Windows Phone 7 General] Silent Shark:
Can you test to see if the volume can be altered without 'waking' the phone?

I often listen to music at work with the phone next to me and the screen off. On my Touch Pro2 the volume buttons still work, but my Touch Diamond didn't allow this. I'd like to know how the VP behaves. Thanks very much for this!
[Windows Phone 7 General] efjay:
Few moments of the VP slider in action

A good shot of the inside of the VP without battery installed

Movie playback comparison

Sound quality over headphones (wired and BT)

Time it takes to fully charge

Thanks for your time.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ericc191:
Thank you for doing all of this for us! Very much appreciated.
[Windows Phone 7 General] eok45:
Thank-you!!!
[Windows Phone 7 General] matthewhypolite:
Microsd slot! Woo hooo!
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
Accessing it voids the warranty though so you have to be pretty sure it's fully functional.
[Windows Phone 7 General] matthewhypolite:
Dont think they'd put it there if it wasnt.

And i dont mind about the waranty, never had cause to use a smartphone waranty before :)

So all in all, 16gb+32gb microsd, is worth it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Agent Blair:
The OP has made all the major blogs like Engadget extremely angry they didn't get to review this phone. Nope, the common man gets the first interviews! No exclusives for you iBloggers, Dell is a little smarter and knows your game.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Peew971:
No I meant you have to be sure the phone itself is fully functional before you void the warranty, you never know you might have to replace it (Wi-fi issues for instance).
[Windows Phone 7 General] matthewhypolite:
yea thats a given, test, make sure everything is as should be, then upgrade.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ericc191:
If there is an SD slot, how do we know that 8GB/16GB isn't occupying it? I'd love to have 40GB+ of memory too, but don't want to get my hopes up. It'd be the best of both worlds, though.
[Windows Phone 7 General] matthewhypolite:
based on all the eveidence, Clove's site, screenshots, etc etc, 8gb isnt ocupying the sd slot.
[Windows Phone 7 General] efjay:
It is occupying the card slot:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=9120530&postcount=18

Full thread here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=834436

Whatever info clove is going by is obviously incorrect, which is not surprising since they dont have the device and Dell has released practically no info about it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] eyan15:
Yes you can change the volume (up and down) with the screen turned off. This works in both HD7 and VP

Also when you turn it on, the top part of the lock screen has the music control. So you don't have to unlock it to pause the music.

Also I wanted to say iPhone head set works. Volume control and pick/end button.
[Windows Phone 7 General] efjay:
One thing I also would like to know, what kind of controls do you get with the VP camera?
[Windows Phone 7 General] eyan15:
HTC HD2

Pictures

Flash: On/Off/Auto

Scenes: Auto/Portrait/Landscape/Sports/Beach/Backlight/Candlelight/Macro

Resolution: 5M/3M/1M/VGA

Metering Mode: Center/Average/Spot

Flickr Adj: Auto/50Hz/60Hz

Video:

Effects: None/Grayscale/Negative/Sepie/Solarize

Resolution: 720p/VGA/QVGA

Metering Mode: Center/Average/Spot

Flickr Adj: Auto/50Hz/60Hz

Dell Venue Pro

Pictures

Flash: On/Off/Auto

Photo Resolution: 5M/QXGA/UXGA/FOUR_VGA/XGA/SVGA/VGA

ISO: Auto/100/200/400/800

WB: Auto/Daylight/Cloudy/Twilight/Fluorescent/Tungsten

Scenes: Off/Portrait/Landscape/Sports/Night

Video:

Resolution: 720p/VGA
[Windows Phone 7 General] ericc191:
Sweet, the ISO option should help for low light shots.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Remia:
Hi, OP

What about the Call quality of VP?

Thanks.
[Windows Phone 7 General] manlisten:
Thanks a lot for this thread. Let me ask, is the screen on the Venue Pro significantly brighter than the HD7? Also, are the blacks on the HD7 deep or is it more of a greyish color?

Thanks.
[Windows Phone 7 General] efjay:
Unbelievable that the Dell manages to have even less options in the camera than the HD7, which itself was called out for having fewer options than a Focus!! Thanks very much for all your work though, we've had much more info from you than from Dell themselves!

I would like to ask if you could do a more indepth comparison of the camera's with the best settings available on both, with still pics and videos. Hopefully the Dell can take better pictures with some adjustments. Thanks again.
[Windows Phone 7 General] arturobandini:
definitely Dell Venue Pro

or even better..... the Focus ;)

- FASTER: NAND memory

- BRIGHTER: S-Amoled screen

- LONGER: 1.500mAh battery

- BIGGER: slot for another SDcard (Focus)

- USB TETHERING: the Focus has USB Tethering ability (http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/samsung-focus-does-tethering-after-all-on-windows-phone-7)

and a better camera.

The HD7 has really nothing special :(

And if you really want to judge and see how slow the HD7 can be:

http://wmpoweruser.com/samsung-focus-also-faster-than-the-htc-hd7/#idc-container
[Windows Phone 7 General] nizzon:
Just a note for the OP.

You keep writing HD2, its HD

7

! ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] manlisten:
I wonder how fast the Focus will run after you put an SD card into it along with the NAND. Because 8GB is simply not enough for me.
[Windows Phone 7 General] arturobandini:
Apparently it's fine. Under the above article from WmPoweruser a Focus user, Bjfcm, noted:

"I Have the Focus with a Scandisk 16 GB ( I purchased myself and installed ) . I am quite pleased with the performance and speed. No issues so far. Very happy!!"
[Windows Phone 7 General] eyan15:
Personally I like the HD7's screen a tad bit more than the VP. It has warmer whites but less contrast. Which I think works to WP7's advantage as everything is retro.

Black on HD7 isn't bad persay (or greyish) but VP had darker blacks

You not able to get the diff off the screen shots on page one?
[Windows Phone 7 General] manlisten:
Oh no the pictures are very good. It's just some images can make a screen look darker (or lighter) than it does in person. For instance some of the images that Engadget posted of the HD7, the blacks had a very distinct glow to it.

Actually stopped by a T-Mobile store a couple of hours ago and had a look for myself, the screen does look very good to me. Not S-AMOLED but not bad at all.

Thanks again. :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] efjay:
The guys in the Dell Venue forum have managed to crack the method to upgrade the storage card, warranty voided of course.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=834436
[Windows Phone 7 General] mike21pr:
The way microsoft designed the OS and applied the hardware requirements, you cant go wrong with either one of them when it comes to speed and user experience. But in my case, id take the HD7 over the Venue Pro and here are my reasons....

...i promised myself to avoid getting another slider. I rather a one peice than having moving parts since i have had bad experience with wear and eventually loose or wobbly keyboards

...normal AMOLED doesnt do it for me. The whites consumes more power than SAMOLED and a LOT more power than SLCD\LCD, plus the pentile matrix pixel grids makes it all a bit more fuzzy and less sharp. HD7's SLCD looks amazing although no SAMOLED, but def better than HD2 and 7 Surround so im not worried about that

...i love the kickstand (preference :-) but the evo showed me how much i use it)
[Windows Phone 7 General] 001mic:
The screen of the HD7 is not SLCD! Its just LCD.
[Windows Phone 7 General] efjay:
I had a hands on with an HD7 in a T-Mo store today and while impressive in size I wasnt impressed with the colours displayed in the pictures hub with the sample pictures and from the shots here I would definitely prefer the Dell. Buttons were almost flush with the body and not very easy to push. However speedwise it loaded up The Harvest in about 40 seconds, a far cry from the 3 minutes that has been bandied around by the popular blogs, so I would be interested to see how a faster device actually performs.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tai4de2:
I have an HD7 and have handled a DVP.

My impression is that the keyboard in the DVP really doesn't add all that much to the experience. The keypad is more or less a membrane style with a light grid imposed over it to separate the keys. The keys are not discreet or hard or domed. Think AT&T Fuze, but not as good and more cramped.

The phone is a lot thicker and heavier than an HD7 in order to provide that keyboard and I'm not sure it's worth it.

Also, I'm wondering whether the OS has been tuned to keep the SIP closed when the h/w keyboard is deployed. This has been a complaint I've had in the past with other phones: when I am using the physical keyboard I don't want the SIP always popping up and obscuring the screen.

Finally, one area where HTC seems to have it all over Dell is in their proprietary apps. For example we get an HTC flashlight, which uses the camera flash, and controls for flip-to-silence. The OS does not provide those things and it's not possible to write an app to do them either... so if Dell doesn't add value with that kind of phone-specific software, that functionality will be completely unavailable.
[Windows Phone 7 General] efjay:
eyan15, any more feedback on the camera of the VP? I read the comments of another xda member posted in his video review and he pans the camera as well, but the pic you posted seems OK to me. The HD7 screen did not impress me today so am interested in seeing the best VP pics so I can decide which tradeoff I will live with. Thanks again.

Here is his sample pic: http://img828.imageshack.us/img828/8039/wp000015.jpg and his youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JheTgqigviA
[Windows Phone 7 General] ericc191:
Just tested The Harvest on my HD7. It loaded to the start screen in 15 seconds exactly.

It loaded into gameplay in just under 20 seconds.

Not bad at all.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mrmomoman:
Harvest loaded in 15 seconds for me too. Then about 28 seconds to resume my previous game. Not as bad.as.the reviews said.
[Windows Phone 7 General] arhapsody:
Have you tested GPS on these??? How fast do they get a lock? How accurate is it?
[Windows Phone 7 General] microhaxo:
Yea, that was my youtube video and pic. My problem with the dell venue pro camera is that virtually every picture i take ends up being blurry. (when flash needed) The shutter is too slow.

My hands are pretty steady and even if i anchor my hand against a wall or something, it still comes out blurry.
[Windows Phone 7 General] The Gate Keeper:
did you pressure the button (not all the way) so that it has time to focus. you should see a bit of a rectangle appear on the screen and then a beep when the camera is focused. once this happens, take the photo.

but yes, i definitely agree that it's still quite slow.
[Windows Phone 7 General] microhaxo:
Yes, i always let the focus box appear, it doesn't help much at all. As it stands right now. The dell venue pro has the worst camera of all the WP7 devices. Today i used all of the cameras of the devices in the microsoft store and the DVP had the least options and the worst picture.

Dell really dropped the ball on that.

here is a sample video of the dell at 720p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_88bQZfYBTo

I dont expect any cell phone to look good, but considering the focus looks really nice, this is just horrible imo.
[Windows Phone 7 General] arimozuki:
It really doesnt look so bad ... better than the Mozart and HD7 IMO.
[Windows Phone 7 General] f1restarter:
OP, in your videos while comparing the audio quality of both phones, did you enable the HTC audio equalizer app on the HD7?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Monkey_Kebab:
Are you running the HD7 brightness settings on default (medium), or have you turned it up? I found that turning it up really made a nice difference in the quality of the user experience, but I don't know how much of an impact that'll have on the battery life.

Would you mind testing your HD7 on full brightness and reporting back on how long the battery lasts?

Right now I'm really torn between the HD7 and VP...

HD7:

Pros-

Thinner profile

Larger screen (which felt a little more responsive to me, but that could have been unique to the specific phones I had access to)

Warrenty/Insurance issues can be addressed at any T-Mobile store

Cons-

Small battery

Tinny speakers (although I'm not sure how often I'd be listening to any media without using headphones)

VP:

Pros-

AMOLED screen

Access to the microSD slot (good for when approved cards become available)

Nice speakers (again, though, I don't know if I'd really end up taking advantage of it)

Cons-

The weight & thickness

Warrenty/Insurance issues must be addressed with Dell, which may mean delayed turnaround time (I don't know if Microsoft stores will be able to process claims)

Non-issue - I've played with the keyboard a bit, and I don't see myself using it... it's too cramped, and the WM7 softkey works too well for me to bother with the Dell slider.
[Windows Phone 7 General] yourlife:
Whos the girl on the homescreen, lol?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sangheili:
Having owned an HD2 for 9 months, this Dell feels massively better in my hands. The curved back combined with the rounded edges and slightly less wide profile makes a huge difference. And the thickness is hardly any more for the added benefit of the keyboard.

Its a fantastic device - the form factor really is perfect (for me anyway).
[Windows Phone 7 General] jessej:
Bump

Would any owners change their minds about what device they got? I bought my wife an HD7 and it has been a fantastic phone with the exception of data connection issues that have started popping up. T-Mobile has agreed to do a warranty replacement so the customer service part is on the HD7 side. With the Venue Pro production issues, I am hesitant to keep my order with Dell as it appears they may have continuing troubles. I would appreciate any suggestions and experiences users have had with each device.

With CES right around the corner what are the chances of WP7 devices being announced with newer snapdragons and HSPA+?
[Windows Phone 7 General] efjay:
I had an HD7 for two weeks and decided to take it back. Its basically an HD2 in a different body complete with all the HD2 issues, like poor battery life, poor camera (with pink tint), poor speaker (new for HD7), and of course poor screen in comparison with whats available today. Even with all the issues, I'm going for the Dell as it seems a much better phone with some thought having gone into it and not just a cloned model as HTC has done.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jessej:
Thanks for the comment.

I have to agree with the recycled HD2 part but i found the HD2 to be pretty solid as a phone after the kinks were worked out by the developer community (battery life excluded). So it does have potential if HTC steps up and/or if the development community gets the opportunity. I have been impressed that the HTC hub has received 2+ updates in 3 weeks, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed short term on HTC delivering fixes.

From what I have read the Venue Pro seems to be either terrific or terrible depending on which phone you get. Dell hasn't really shown any customer support, which is my main concern. I do think the Venue Pro has the most attractive design and potentially the best durability though. Decisions, decisions...

Anyone else have any thoughts?
[Windows Phone 7 General] fljaweiu:
This sounds really exciting Chris! I'm hoping that many more experienced (and also not so experienced) people in Online Teaching will chime in ASAP. We're working on getting the word out!
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
I'll post my thoughts when I get the dvp later

the hd7 was an okay device actually, but I fell in love with the OS and not the device hw
[General Topics] Oo Alias oO:
Hey,

I have the HD2 and a San Disk 8GB SD Card. Today, I restarted my phone, and then when over to the gallery to view my pictures... All of the pictures load and I can scroll through them, however, after 6 or so seconds they all disappear and the phone says "No photos availible, Press to launch camera".

If I leave it for a period of time, they re appear again, then a few seconds later dissappear. If I try clicking on one of the images to view it full size it says "unable to open photo".

So the phone is saying there is no SD card in it, but sometimes it will detect its there.

Also, if I plug it into my SD card reader, it can see everything there, but I cant copy the files to my PC, it just says "calculating time".

Any suggestions?
[General Topics] torvick12:
Same with my touch slide i have an 8gb as well n well it has happen 2 me twice where i have 2 format everything cause it jst says damag sd card n idk wht, but when i put it in my laptop it would pick it up. But the 2nd time it happen not even on my phne r laptop picked up anythign so twice already ive lost everything so yeahh. But for ure problem idk never happen 2 me jst this tht i explained n only had my card for 2 years.
[Desire Themes and Apps] nasimdejai:
I love using the Engadget app to keep up with daily news, but no matter what I try I cannot watch the embedded videos within the stories.....

The ones that link to YouTube are fine as you can choose the browser or the YouTube app.

But their native videos don't play for me. I currently get the choice of viewing through double twist or streaming media player, both of which say "Sorry, this video cannot be played".

Anyone any idea what format these endgadget videos are in? And how I can get the engadget app to choose a player capable of playing them?
[Desire Themes and Apps] rolfd:
Moved to Themes and Apps. Also deleted your post in General.

Please only post one thread on the same subject, and try to post in the correct forum.

Thanks.
[Desire Themes and Apps] Rastaman-FB:
ive not tested it but try vplayer in the android apps section. it supports many formats
[Desire Themes and Apps] nasimdejai:
cheers i'll try that
[Android Software Development] VictorML:
[Q] Android stock Lock Screen in 2.2 - changing "vibrate" slider back to "silent"?

So I just renamed the "HtcLockScreen.apk" file on my Desire (LeeDroid rom) to have the default stock lockscreen (which I like better), and it worked.

However, I've noticed that the right slider only switches from "Normal" mode to "Vibrate". However, I never use the vibrate mode, and I'd like to make it switch to "Silent" mode instead of vibrate (in fact I've read that's the way it worked in Android 2.1).

Is there any way to change that? Any possible hacks? Or at least make it rotate through silent/vibrate/normal? I don't want to place additional widgets on the lockscreen, just making it work with the default slider which I like a lot.

Thanks in advance.
[Android Software Development] VictorML:
Nobody? :(
[Android Software Development] ali_loly10:
sorry but i dont have a solution but just to ask i also renamed the htclockscreen.apk to htclckscrn.apk and rebooted but nothing happened

could you you tell me how you did it (A)
[Android Software Development] RunNgun42:
Im with you op. I dont like vibrate mode because it still wakes up me at night on my bed stand. Toggling between silent and normal would work perfect for me. As a result I keep my phone in the living room when charging :rolleyes:
[Android Software Development] VictorML:
Sorry, I didn't know this thread got any replies, and email notification was off.

I didn't do anything else really... you need to rename it from ADB though (with the phone in recovery mode), because otherwise the change will be reverted back once you reboot and nothing will change.

Once you rename it, the phone will automatically use the default Froyo lockscreen (this is, if you have a 2.2 rom).
[Windows Mobile Software Development] lawyer-pl:
HD2, CHT 2.0.

I use CHT Lockscreen, HD Mini style.

On the left I have my personalized information (which can be edited in CHT Editor), on the right I see "Unlock" text and symbol like this ">>" (vertical).

How to remove this "Unlock" text and this two >> sings, on the unlock bar?

By editing file?

Be grateful for your answers.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Adow:
You must edit image - it's in 50F29E37_manila file..
[Windows Mobile Software Development] lawyer-pl:
Adow, I've just figured it out... But how to do it?

It is not a png file....