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[HD7 General] KraFT_mk:
Yes, I need like 2 gigs max for all my multimedia needs. ( 10 or 20 mp3 albums max)

I have never ever watched any movies on mu mobile. Just few South Park`s and that’s all…

I do a lots of browsing, remote desktop, business applications.

I had in the past HTC diamond 1 and now Diamond 2.

HTC D1 had 4GB onboard while HTC D2 had sd card. (Class4)

The difference is huge.

I do know how to handle a screwdriver but why should I do that in the first place.

I did that with all my HTC`s but with a good reason…

Anyway, what about the total experience.

Why Dolby ? With 1200 battery? Or dual flash with that crappy picture?

And it’s the same problem that is going on for years.

Thin plastic for protection?

The video for SD card replacement shows how fragile this phone is.

One angular drop and …

I think that this time HTC failed on the big picture.

Thank you for your feedback I really appreciate it.
[HD7 General] hboos:
if you do a lot of web browsing then the HD7 will have better battery life. SAMOLED is only better for battery consumption if the screen is darker.. web pages tend to be white.

but if you think that the omnia 7 feels better and really dislike the HD7 and you don't need ample space, get the omnia 7. but have you held the HD7? it feels nice man! very good build quality!

the omnia 7 is really popular and it's showing as out of stock at quite a few places so good luck finding one
[HD7 General] KraFT_mk:
Thanks for the tip man.

I think that’s why they have a stronger battery that will do for 18 hours without any problems.

Anyway, the feel is not what I am worried about. I am sure that is ok.

Plus, Omnia is thinner, lighter ( almost 20%!) plus made from metal.

It’s the overall build quality that worries me a lot..

Anyone who dissembled HTC knows what I am talking about. Look at that video.

That is not industrial engineering.

Everything is cheap on that phone. I can’t recognize HTC build quality.

Yes, I have preordered on HD7 @ expansys ( for eastern europe countries.)

They do have omia7 on stock.

Question:

Does anyone knows if Omnia 7 screen is with “gorilla” protection? (100% sure?)
[HD7 General] Milky1:
I also was pretty much 100% sure I would never be able to survive with 8GB of storage, I needed 32GB ideally and 16GB at a stretch. Because of this I decided to get the HD7 over the Omnia 7, After just over a week of owning it I returned it and got a Omnia 7 instead. I still have tones of space left too, I set all my photos to auto-upload and I subscribe to Zune Pass so can stream all the music OTA, works very well.
[HD7 General] frontieruk:
<<this... I just made the point that performance could be improved with some DIY, you've made you mind up that the Samsung is a better fit for you, go buy one.

But as per a previous thread you started there currently is no VNC client, so don't expect to be doing remote desktop on either handset for a while.

As to the memory ok the trophy took 4 seconds longer to boot (all my HTC phones have always taken an age to boot) and 7 seconds to load the game, but is it really that bad? A faster card would improve app loading but I doubt very much that the OS loading would improve as that's in nand or at least I'd assume else you wouldn't be able to boot the handset with a new card.

Sorry about my initial response, but it still feels like you are here to praise up the Omnia7 while trolling the HD7.
[HD7 General] KraFT_mk:
Man,

you didn’t returned it because you had extra space left on you HD7 ?

Why did you returned it in the first place?

I believe you are the only one that had both of them.

Can you confirm "Gorilla" screen and throw in some more comparison info?

Battery life, signal straight etc. Whatever you think it’s a valuable to know!

Thanks!
[HD7 General] KraFT_mk:
Can someone confirm "Gorila glass" on Samsung Omnia 7? (100% sure)

Thanks!
[HD7 General] colonel:
the HTC is solidly built and looks really classy

the samsung is a bit of an ugly lump
[HD7 General] Milky1:
No no, I returned the HD7 because the build quality was woefully lacking, imo there was no way that thing would last for 18 months. I don't know about the whole Gorilla screen but I'm not going to start scratching it to find out :D

Battery life is better, but not by a massive amount, I would estimate probably a day and a half of heavy use.

Other things I have noticed, games and apps load a hell of a lot faster, the only advantage my HD7 had to my Omnia 7 was the double storage, the Omnia is much much better built, has a far better screen and is faster too.
[HD7 General] colonel:
sorry, the build quality on the HD7 is excellent

the screen is glass

the band round it is smart and makes it feel sturdy

the back is soft and lovely to hold and pretty firm. A new battery back can be bought from HTC in any event.

in terms of the speed, I simply don't believe you. I think some reverse justification is going on here. My HD7 is the fastest phone I have ever used
[HD7 General] nrfitchett4:
what plastic on the hd7. I played with one yesterday for about 30minutes, it's a solid metal feeling phone.
[HD7 General] tbk21:
The back is made of soft touch plastic, something I prefer over shiny metal. And the phone build quality is excellent. It feels as strong as Iphone 4, which also means you don't want to drop the phone because the screen is also of glass.
[HD7 General] Milky1:
When I said it is faster I meant at loading apps and games, it is much faster.

And as for the build quality I guess its slightly subjective, but I would say if you have only had it for a couple days wait till you have had it for over a week. The hardware buttons on my one were truly awful, the have no click to them and I would press the camera and volume buttons all the time without even realising.

The back plastic was marked after 1 week by the case I was sold with it from the O2 store, and the black plastic back is not as sturdy as the full metal back of my Omnia 7.
[HD7 General] colonel:
I don't notice any difference in the buttons between this and other HTC phones to be honest.

I use an HTC case and its fine. A bad case can mark any phone.

A metal back will be more sturdy, sure, but I have no complaints about the HTC HT7 one
[HD7 General] KraFT_mk:
Things have changed here...

What the hell happened to this place?

?

"Solid metal feeling", "Classy" look," "glass screen (?!)",solid build but don’t drop-it.".

Plus, I should buy me a new higher class sdcard and hack the 600eur phone to put it in place.

And add to that a new aftermarket back cover !???

WTF ? I feel like I am on some teens Iphone forum.

We are talking here about industrial engineering and flagship product that sells for 600eur.

HD7 was not meant to be a fashion statement. (That feels in your hand like ...... )

If those are the only features that you can think of, don’t say them, because HD7 is doing that much better without your help.

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@tbk21

Quote:

"The back is made of soft touch plastic, something I prefer over shiny metal. And the phone build quality is excellent. It feels as strong as Iphone 4, which "also means you don't want to drop the phone because the screen is also of glass."

Man ,

you just said that you prefer plastic over metal and that feels stronger build like Iphone4, which means that if you drop it, it will end up broken because it’s made from glass.

WTF ?! Just ..........

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@colonel

Thanks for your input about the HD7 buttons. Not noticing the difference is perfect info for me. I was wondering about that because I have seen some criticism over the button design. Anyway if it’s the same as HTC Diamond 1&2 or HD2 that’s fine by me...

Did you changed your SDcard with higher class? If you did, have you noticed any difference in 720p video quality or performance overall?

I am asking this because on SDCARD class 2 you cant record hi-res videos without the distortions that people reported.

Class 4 is minimum req. for 720p video.

@Milky1

I do think that heavy use for day and half is not possible on Omnia7. That’s too much :)

Anyway I do think that it will give you a solid full day. (That’s 17-18 hours for me.)

I might be able to live without the "nand" speed on HD7 but its the overall design that kills me.

The (lack of) build quality that you mentioned on HD7 is what pisses me off...

They have 1mm gap on the battery cover! How the hell that happened?

I am so mad at them for putting me in this position.

KraFT
[HD7 General] colonel:
anyone that can show me a smartphone where the battery is not sh$t please tell me.

The BBs have the best batteries, but on 3G the bold 9700 and 9000 still needs to be charged every day or two.

The iphone 4 has a good battery. Good for 1.5 days.

the shortest life smartphones I have used are the iphone 3G, HTC Desire, HTC Legend. These need intra-day charging many times.

I use the HTC HD7 moderately for voice and alot for email. I use it for browsing on the way to work and back. Its half-battery after 24 hours. I could leave it for another day but I charge.

Another thing to remember is that batteries keep the most charge after around 10 cycles. So if its the 2nd day you have had the phone then there is no point commenting on the battery.

Lastly, try comparing using the phone with everything on and then using it in one battery cycle with:

1. 2G only

2. No bluetooth

3. No wifi

4. No browsing

5. Make all email sync and live sync manual

see how much extra battery you get.

the difference between these two scenarios is the same for any smartphone.
[HD7 General] KraFT_mk:
Yes.

For me a very-good battery is the one that lasts for 16-17 hours.

One charge per day for moderate use.

Anytthing less , that requires second recharging during one day is total crap.

That means anything less than 16 hours.

Its a very thin line between crap and good one :)

K
[HD7 General] Milky1:
Well the other day my Omnia 7 was fully charged in the morning, and I probably used it to play games (intensive stuff) while on the train for about 4 hours+ then I used it as a camera for another hour or two at an event. And used it on the train back which is another good 4 hours. That's on top of using it as a normal phone all throughout the day etc. and by the time I was home it still had a quarter of its battery left.
[HD7 General] zyborg:
Yes, it's a better phone.:)
[HD7 General] ericc191:
Just picked up an HD7 today. Pink camera problem is there. I'll be returning it anyway, though. This is just to tide me over until the VP is released. :D
[HD7 General] nrfitchett4:
I guess I didn't notice that. To me as long as the plastic is high quality and not tp2 quality, then I'm ok with that.

The phone felt just as good in my hand as my hd2 does and it doesn't have any plastic on it. I didn't feel like the buttons or case were inferior in any way.

I think you are looking too much into sd card speeds. Most class 2 cards (esp. sandisk) will read and right faster than a smartphone can handle so if 720p video is the problem, it's probably a software issue, not card issue.

This has been proven time and again via speed tests.

Do you have no access to electricity during your day??? I've given up on battery life complaints. It's a small computer, it needs power, esp. the 4.3in display. Carrying an extra battery or keeping a charger at work has never been an inconvience for me. Looks like the battery is the same as the hd2, is it? Or the same as the evo/ tp2?
[HD7 General] KraFT_mk:
Man I am trying to pick the best that market is offering at the moment.

Not what I just had in the past or because the device is "cool" or "feels_like_StarTrek_Communicator".

If your HD7 is not made from the thinnest plastic ever, than yours is unique.

"Handling things" with class2 card is not meant or expected for HD7. I don’t want my device to “handle” things.

Yes I agree that older smartphones might not handle any type of card. This is not "older smartphone", and YES class type2 "will work" but it will never perform as it should.

That type of low performance I can accept only from much cheaper and lower end products.

Regarding the pink photo problem , I still have it and it was never fixed.

Not to mention that the software is now the same for all devices. This is not WM6.5.

The standard for 720p res is class 4.

There is a reason why it’s called min.req.

Even class 4 is not enough most of the time.

Having an electricity near me for battery problem ? And you gave up ? Man. You gave up on lots of things apparently.

I must say that I am still not sure, but can you or anyone else confirm that HD7 has a built in second “dual" stereo speaker at the bottom of the device?

It seems to me that that’s another candidate for "it_feels_like_there_is_sound_coming_from_it” and Dolby SRS mantra type of answers.

KraFT
[HD7 General] m8tix:
Hey guys,

I'm now stuck between the HD7 and Omnia 7 and can't decide which one to get. I've pre ordered the HD7 but I have to wait one more week and could have the chance to get the Omnia 7 instead after reading a lot of reviews and user opinions. Right now I have a Desire with amoled display and after watching some video comparisons between this devices I have to say that I would sure miss the (s)amoled screen if I choose the HD7, Omnia 7 shows there its advantages (+ the NAND memory which makes the loading times faster). The 4.0" screen size is not a deal breaker for me so the smaller size wouldn't bother me.

On the other hand I never had a samsung device and I'm not sure how good the building quality is and I think HD7 will be one of the first devices which could get a patched HardSPL for some custom roms if at all due to its popularity. I read that a lot of user jumped from the HD7 to Omnia 7 because of bad screen quality, random reboots, class 2 sd card, ... and this decision is really a tough one at least for me, hmm.

Regards
[HD7 General] KraFT_mk:
Same boat here...

Anyway this interview might help little.

I wonder how this will affect Omnia7 users.

HD7 will definetly have the first custom rom out.

But not a deal breaker for me.

Still dont know.

K
[HD7 General] Audio:
Well... what a frustrating thread this is....

Having owned the HD7 since UK launch (21st October), i'll refer you another post i made in another topic, see here. Now i'll anser some other questions which seem unanswered/"assumed"/or already confirmed by others

- The build quality of the HD7 is one of the best i've ever had. I suggest you ignore online reviews of this product as most are simply incorrect and reviewed by people wanting WP7 to fail, as Engadget have proved (which is all a shame really, however moving on...)

- My particular Camera has no "Pink" tint that some are mentioning. I can only assume that this is due to the camera's auto "scene" selection, which (if it really is a problem) will be fixed with an update.

- The power button on the devie is the only one i'll complain about. It is quite difficult to press, however the camera and volume buttons are fine. None of the buttons feel loose or cheap, they are attached well to the device and other than the power button they are very comfortable to use.

- The onboard memory is very quick. App/Games loading times can take a while however this is the same across the board with all WP7 devices (some may be a couple of seconds quicker but it's not noticable). The device itself boots up from cold in under 17 seconds (my old TyTN II took 3 minutes haha)

- I will contradict Milky's post about the case that o2 sell (as i got it at the same time as my phone). It is the best accessory i have ever bought. I've dropped my phone off a chair or couch about 15 times since i've had it and there still isn't a scratch on it. This is the official HD7 case i'm talking about btw. And i highly recommend everyone who's got/getting an HD7 to get one.

- The OP mentioned a 1mm space between the battery cover? First i've heard of this, mine is seamless with only a 3 - 4mm gap where you stick you finger nail in to to remove the back cover.

Anyway, rant over. It sounds to me like the OP (as well as a few otehrs) have made up their minds and they believe the Omnia to be the better device for them. Great, get one then. I think all of the original questions about the HD7 have been answered on this topic. The answers i've provided are not up for debate, they are simply my opinion of the device.
[HD7 General] m8tix:
Thanks a lot for sharing this link ! Great interview with Da_G and I think he pointed some important/interesting things out about the current development progress. My only concern is about this unique certificate per device which is essential to authenticate through all ms cloud services apparently. But either way I hope that we could find a way around without being banned from this services !

I think it's too early to say how WP7 custom rom development will impact on HTC/Samsung/(LG) devices but when we look at the android scene we clearly see that more devs are working on htc devices than on any other because they build excellent hardware/software of high quality and due to its popularity. (Perhaps it will change because samsung has already announced the successor of nexus one)

It's hard to say if it would be the same way with WP7 and after reading a lot of reviews and watching video comparisons I'm really disappointed about the HD7, it wouldn't bother me if it has i.e. a SLCD display but LCD is a real deal breaker even if it's better than the HD2.

..but I also still don't know :)

Regards
[HD7 General] Jerseyman:
Actually, with all the WTf'ing, it would seem to be you turning this into a teen iPhone forum
[HD7 General] KraFT_mk:
Of course it’s open for a debate that’s why you posted YHO and that’s why this is called forum and that’s good.

I Thank you for your first hand experience and I don’t know how I missed that HD7 vs. Focus thread.

I would like to add that nobody (at least not me ) made up their mind ( actually I did when I ordered the HD7) and I don’t know where are you getting that info from.

The only thing that frustrates here is that while I criticize, challenge and confront my own choice, people fell hurt because they made the same one.

As you put it, “dare I say it?”

If they can’t confront their own choice that that’s their problem.

Remember this?

In fact this ...

Anyway back on the subject.

I have two questions (confirmations) and I would like you to coment on them , becouse I don’t belive the reviwers for everything. That’s why I like when someone posts some usable data instead of mantra.

You mentioned that you have the screen on full brightness while at the same time you put under cons that you get from your battery full one and a half day .

And regarding the build I do belive its great. The question is how greeat. You know that everything is measurable now. Dare I compare that ?Yes I do.... As you do.

The gap is between the batery cover and the other "half" of the backcover.

Test: Try to see if you can see the sim card in the gap?

One more question, can you please confirm the second stereo speaker under the display on the bottom?

Thanks,

K
[HD7 General] KraFT_mk:
Two of them .

I do apologise for the WTF.
[HD7 General] KraFT_mk:
HD7 vs HD2

16M colors vs 65K colors

Of course it looks better :)

K
[HD7 General] m8tix:
I was today at the local provider store from our company and have chosen spontaneously the Omnia 7 because it felt really good in my hands in comparison the the trophy and hd7. I definitely won't regret my choice :)

Regards
[HD7 General] rob_p:
Have to say that my experience of the HD7 so far has been similar, it seems like a very well put together phone & I've not had any of the niggles mentioned on here. But maybe I'm lucky. I know that manufacturing processes will always create variance, although they shouldn't do as much these days! So some will have different experiences, and also some will have different standards by which they judge. I've not got the Omnia so can't really compare. I did play with one in store, and it really impressed me, but I wouldn't say it felt any more solid, and I would say that the larger screen and storage capacity make the HD7 a better bet personally right now. That said, a 16GB Omnia may well change that opinion!

I'm hoping that within the next couple of months that there are some newer better devices on the market to start really pushing things forward. A 16GB+ DVP would be ideal please!!
[HD7 General] KraFT_mk:
You just described the perfect device :)

I would add the front camera, but that’s Microsoft decision.
[HD7 General] KraFT_mk:
Here is the answer for the HD7 "integrated Dollby stereo speakers experience", that so many reviewers "experienced."

The second speaker under the second grill does not exist. Period.

You can only play with Dolby SRS mobile sound effect.

HTC confirmed, see below.

At the same time I got an "escalated" answer from HTC for two questons.

It took me a lots of "slalom" emails to pass by their marketing replies and finally get a clear answer from them.I would add that I asked for the list of countries and they refused to give the list in a clear statement.

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HTC:

Kindly note that any information which is not official cannot be trusted.

The type of screen can differ from one country to another but is specified on the original box.

Regarding the speaker, please note that HD7 does not support it.

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HTC:

Kindly note that we will escalate this issue and get back to you once we will have an answer.

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Dear Sirs’,

Question number one::

What type of display, HTC HD7 device has? Is it:

A. NORMAL LCD TFT ?

or

B. SUPER LCD TFT ?

Have a meeting, investigate and only then give us one simple and correct answer about HTC HD7 display. Also take a look at this attachment. "htc_display_type.txt" It’s a collection from your answers. You gave different answers to one simple question.

QUestion number two:

Does HTC HD7 has a built in a second hardware speaker on the bottom-front of the device?

Is it:

A.- YES, HTC-HD7 device has a built in a second hardware speaker on the bottom-front of the device;

or

B.- NO, HTC-HD7 device does not have a built in second hardware speaker on the bottom-front of the device;

- Have in mind that answers explaining Dolby Mobile and SRS surround sound won’t be accepted.

Thank you and best regards,

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[HD7 General] Spinstorm:
I had a HD7 then I got an Omnia 7 then I took back the Omnia 7 and went and got an HD7 again.

Why? Yes the O7 has a SAMOLED screen and a bigger battery but it FEELS cheap to me.

The build quality in my eyes is not good.. Samsung have poorly put it together and you are never sure if the mechanical home button is going to wake the phone or not... it seems to be hit and miss if it is going to work.

Also compared to the HD7 I found the phone laggy and slow. I had an O7 for 1 week so I used it alot.

I loved the screen but I just did not feel the phone was worth the price of the contract I paid. I swapped it for a Desire HD and bought a PAYG HD7.

In my personal preference I would rather have the poorer screen but better build of the HD7 and the increased screen size - which really is obvious side by side on the O7.
[HD7 General] Milky1:
Wow, all the issues you say you have had are the complete opposite to why I returned my HD7 and got a Omnia 7.