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[Vibrant General] N8ter:
The internal specs mean nothing if the software doesn't properly utilize them. That is the point I'm trying to make and the point you keep ignoring. Vibrants are handily outperformed by MyTouch4G because the software is simply better.

Anyone thinking about a Vibrant right now should wait until the HD7 launches on T-Mobile tomorrow and then make a choice, IMO.

HD7 uses practically the same hardware as the HD2 and if you use it you'd see that superior hardware means absolutely nothing if the software in the device does not measure up to the hardware quality.

You're grasping at straws with the Logo comment. Really. Don't go there. I think most people would prefer for their phones to have no logos/branding on them, but I don't think many people care about that. It's certainly not an issue that should stop any non-retarded person from buying a phone (not making any assumptions there).

I would advise people to stay away from the Vibrant. We have two here and I've had two replacements. T-Mobile reps are now starting to rag on it now that they have 3 other, better, phones out/coming out. They're laughing about it and telling people "don't judge Android by the Vibrant. The Vibrant has a lot of issues."

And they're doing this... while pinging other Reps in the stores for confirmation, Lol...

Stay away from Galaxy S, period.

G2 would have been good if not for that hinge. It's utter crap. The screen is kinda small, too. MT4g is ugly but a case can fix that. Screen still kinda small. HD7 is glorious to use, though O.o I almost can't stop thinking about it, since I've held it and use it...

The biggest + for the Vibrant isn't the Processor or GPU, or even the screen. It's the incredible amounts of storage in the phone. No other Android phone comes with that much storage, and for people with lots of media that means a lot. With Apps2SD the Apps will likely get installed to the Internal SD Card which means you can have an entire 32GB External SD Card dedicated to Avatar + Media. The HD will come with 16 GB, though O.o
[Vibrant General] Ms_Vibrant:
i saw the mytouch 4g a few days ago.. i dont really like the style of the phone, it is heavier than the vibrant so i guess that makes the phone feels "solid" and it looks plasticky too but style-wise ,the vibrant is better. but if the mt4 was lighter, it would feel cheap as well like how people perceive the vibrant to be.

the only thing i like about the mytouch is the front facing camera,that's all.

hspa+ is nice , but i get good enough download speed on my vibrant , and im always on WIFI anyway LOL

oh about the wp7, web os, iphone being less cumbersome with updates through their software like itunes,zune etc.. well we all know why android is different, and it's an open source, it's open not only for the customers but also for the manufacturers hence their custom UI to give their phones unique styles and personality, but yah then it becomes troublesome for software updates .. iphone and the new wp7 are locked down..the only reason the iphone works better such as being smooth is because it doesnt have that much processes compared to android phones which implements multi-tasking... and the iphone might work better out of the box, but how customizable iphone is compared to android? iphone is kinda limited when it comes to that, even the iphone4 multi tasking feature is limited to some apps only , so there goes the reason why it performs well, so you pick.. a phone with better features and capabilities or a phone that lacks with feautures but performs well?

oh and iphone does not have widgets.. we all know how cool live widgets are!! this is why some people i know are envious of my vibrant, because of the cool widgets ( it's just pretty) lol

i havent seen a windows phone 7 in person yet. but from seeing on youtube.. it looks cool and after a while, i get tired of it and bored.. it only looks nice in the beginning then i'd want more.. something is missing, i dont know what it is. i themed my vibrant with windows 7 theme a couple weeks ago.. it was fun while it lasted, i got bored.. i dont know..

but honestly, android itself is not all that, but i'd prefer over ios, dont know about wp7 yet..
[Vibrant General] DADDYDC650:
Stay away from the Vibrant? I've been using my Vibrant for more than a week now. I've put it through HOURS upon hours of use and I have yet to have it crash or freeze up on me. I have yet to have any issues regarding speed as well.

I've checked out a MT4G for a good 15 minutes. I went through as much as I could before I had to give it back to the sales rep and guess what? I did not see the difference in speed compared to my Vibrant even though it was brand new with nothing on it. It seems like a great phone and I love how it has LED flash + a FFC but I'd rather have a thin, sleeker looking phone with an amazing display. Having the ability to mod my Vibrant in many ways is always a bonus for myself since I used to mod my TP2 all the time. Last of all, the storage space will come in handy for pictures, videos and apps. My 2 cents.

BTW, the HD2 is a really nice phone. I got to mess with one a few days ago and it looks nice, has a nice big screen and WP7 runs very well on it. The camera seemed to have issues though. Not sure what that was about.
[Vibrant General] VeryCoolAlan:
Yup the vibrant is really good and mt4g is good to but I think the vibrant is slightly better.

So it come down too personal preference

If our vibrants don't get gingerbread because samsung says, "its bit upgradeable" then that complete b.s.

We have a 1ghz beast that yes it might be slightly slower than the qualcomm chipsets but it doesn't matter and we have a bad ass gpu and 12gbs of memory so anything we have especially enough pre requisite things to run it and who know we might be able to rub honeycomb jelly bean and ice cream

Ill be happy if we get officially upgraded to android 3.0 what ever the codename might be
[Vibrant General] Hexmaster93:
n8ter you can argue that the software doesn't properly utilize the vastly superior hardware in our vibrants and you'd be right but therein lies the beauty of open os. Developers like sombionix and.eugene optimize the software to take full advantage of our internals, and they do it quite well. But to each his own and.that's another beauty of android we have choices. I chose the vibrant
[Vibrant General] N8ter:
I've been using my Vibrant for months. Gratz on passing the week milestone. Probably already installed the update the rest of us waited months for when you got it. You have literally no idea what most of us went through with this phone. You're a newbie to it.

I have an HD2. They have hardware issues (overheating and reboots) and the battery is complete crap. The hardware is decent (basically same as HD7), but the built quality and OS are both iffy. The OS in the phone is a dead end, of course.

The G2 is flimsy as ****.

The MyTouch4G has a small screen. I can't deal with anything less than 4" these days.

Only phone that is decent (for me, IMO) from T-Mo these days is the HD7, and I think I'll skip out on that and wait until there are CDMA WP7 devices and go to Sprint or Verizon anyways... If I wait until ~March or so I'll probably be able to move both of us over to WP7 with a BOGO deal from Verizon. They're good about that, and they have that $60 Unlimited Mobile to Mobile/SMS/Data with 450 Minutes plan out these days - cheaper than T-Mobile with work discounts, before any discounts.
[Vibrant General] N8ter:
That's not the beauty of an Open OS, that's the crutch of an Open OS. Google should have learned from Microsoft's mistakes.

Go use an HD7. Same hardware as an HD2 for the most part but the performance blows both WM6.5 and Android out of the water.

Never underestimate the power of proprietary code written by for a platform by the company that created said platform.

I don't care about 3rd party ROMs. Only a minority of users bother to root their phone, or install other ROMs on it. First impressions are lasting ones, and 98% of people will judge a phone by its stock experience.

There is no way I can recommend a Vibrant to anyone knowing what this phone is like. They have already released an update, and it still performs like utter crap compared to anything else on the market, and I know so because before I got it I went thruogh 4 carriers in < a month while carrier shopping. The only reason why I have T-Mobile is because they're the only ones that got reception here (And the Galaxy S was the only decent phone they had).

But I see AT&T is putting a tower up < 1 mile away now...
[Vibrant General] N8ter:
GPU for what? There are hardly any decent games for Android and the UI isn't even hardware accellerated.

They should have put that GPU in their Windows phone.

As far as I'm concerned that GPU is a waste of hardware in this phone.

So is that storage, since Android has no decent media services for it comparable to iTunes or Zune.

HD7s from T-Mobile will come with 16GB storage and I'm pretty sure in < a year's time we'll be seeing WP7 devices with 32GB storage in them. The manufacturers are probably using SD cards instead of NANDs so they can offer 32GB models easily once the SD card prices drop low enough to make it profitable without increasing the price of the phones substantially.
[Vibrant General] DADDYDC650:
Cool story! BTW, my brother has had the phone since it launched and he has yet to run into ANY issues. He's on the damn thing practically all day.
[Vibrant General] N8ter:
If hes fine with the sluggish performance then I guess.

Btw, I heard second hand opinions are	big factor these days!
[Vibrant General] heygrl:
Disregard N8ter.. save your fingers.
[Vibrant General] Kienz:
Well, I sent my Vibrant packing as I got tired of not knowing I had a missed call or text, the capacitative buttons becoming unresponsive, then hyper responsive (mimc'ing all of the touches I attempted all at the same time), Bluetooth 3.0 (what was the point?), and the constant repeating of the same phrase, "The update is coming. The update is coming.'

"In late September", they said.

"In October", they said.

"By November", they said.

Now it's "By the end of the year". Okay.

Yes, the screen was nice. Yes the phone was slim. But I use a case on all my phones, so slim was slightly lost on me. And are you guys serious? 4" is great, but .2" less is small? Really? And "Ugly"? Since when do guys judge phones by whether they're "ugly" or not? And for all the tout I read about, the screen didn't really appear all that much better than any other phone I've used in direct sunlight. Maybe it had something to do with the fact that glass reflects sunlight. *shrugs shoulders*

But I digress.

I've read a great deal of people, seemingly taking it personal when someone dares to besmudge the name of the Vibrant. But those posts also usually include a number of excuses. Ask yourself this: Why should you have to root, mod, flash, and ultimately wait for some magical update for your phone to be all that it was promised to be?

"You can get around that by just installing a lag fix. Duh."

"Just install one of Eugene's roms; it fixes the gps issue."

"When Froyo gets here, you're gonna wish you had stayed."

Huh? Do you really hear yourselves? Has any other device, that has fallen short is every aspect besides it's screen size, ability to produce deep blacks, and internal memory ever been so vigorously defended? I'm thinking not. But, again, I'll digress.

I've leave with this, though. Yes, the night mode on the Vibrant was amazing. I used it many times. But you know what I could do with my Nexus One that I couldn't do with my Vibrant? Take pictures where there was next to no light. Sometimes, I even took pictures in the dark. Can the Vibrant simulate light? Even in night mode?

Exactly.

Just my .02
[Vibrant General] heygrl:
The phone is ugly. The speakerphone sucks. The earpiece sucks (along with it being ugly). The camera sucks. Media sucks. Sound quality sucks. Video recording sucks. Screen sucks. Reception sucks. Give it two months and people will be complaining about something related to the build quality, that's not to say they aren't already.

I don't have a lag fix on my Vibrant and have no need for one. I love my phone for all of the reasons above, sadly these are all problems that carry on from other Android phones HTC has made.

But hey, it has a notification LED and a flash! Gotta make up for it by complimenting the sub-par sensor and it's abilities
[Vibrant General] stevec666:
So what we're saying is that "It sucks!!"
[Vibrant General] Kienz:
Well if you want to get all technical and stuff. :rolleyes:
[Vibrant General] darkdata:
I had nothing but issues with the vibrant ...lag.gps.call quality bad whenever your in an area where there noise. And usb port anoying they put it on the top of the device.only nice thing vibrant has is the screen that's it . Btw do youtube search vibrant vs what ever phone you will see just how lagy it is ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6t7xNeCpn4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
[Vibrant General] j0hnZ:
I wouldn't be here if I wasn't going to mod my phone so any arguments saying most people don't mod there phone doesn't pertain to people who would come to this forum. Windows Mobile looks like ****, and that's enough for me not to care. Who, would have thought someone else has a different opinion.

I was bored so I decided to post in this stupid thread, it won't happen again cause I won't come back to read this garbage.
[Vibrant General] VeryCoolAlan:
yup guys besides the vibrant will be beast when official froyo comes out
[Vibrant General] boystuff:
I know our Vibrants Look physically like glorified Iphone 3G's but I still think its way sexier then the mytouch 4G, not to mention keyboard... size, weight.. bleh, the physical athetics alone turn me away from it... I don't think i'll ever go back to a phone with a Physical keyboard to bulky, even my TV has software touch buttons just cause i dislike hardware buttons.. Last phone with true hardware buttons i owned was a Euro omnia I900 16GB and before that I-Mate Jasjar. God that phone was a Beast for it's day haha
[Vibrant General] Wi2TheMax:
Amen! You said it brother. I never had a problem with GPS either. I thinking some of the people *****ing about the GPS are full of $hit.

Yup nothing beats the Vibrant's screen. Even my friend with the iPhone 4 was impressed.

FFC is niche indeed. Nobody uses it and nobody gives a phuck. My friend admitted only to using Facetime once! ONCE!!! It's nice to know that if I did want one that badly, the Vibrant is surely capable ;)

Whoever says it's way faster is full of $hit too. I played with a G2 and MyTouch and only found them to be marginally faster than the Vibrant. Before lag fix that is. I ran Eugenes Unoffical T-Mo Froyo and I did find speed improvement. So whoever says it Froyo doesn't do anything for the Vibrant, they're wrong

Lastly, sorry but the MyTouch 4G is a piece of $hit. It's ugly. It looks like Vtech or Fisher Price manufactered it. It has the ugliest UI I have ever encoutered on a device save maybe for Windows Phone 7. It's not so much that the phone itself is ugly, it's that T-Mo patronized it's users by saying they're too dumb for Stock but not worthy enough for Sense!! So they create a pretentious UI aimed to be family friendly or whatever :rolleyes: I mean, come on WTF T-Mo???

You can't mod, only half root. I don't know why on earth anybody would consider that piece of $hit over the Vibrant. I truly don't. Just buy a G2 instead or wait.

To those exhanging your Vibrants for a MT4G, you're gonna regret it when it gets Froyo and you find yourself not using that FFC you were once impressed by.
[Vibrant General] N8ter:
This phone is actually great for news. Instead of Googling, you just go to your phone's section and look at the first page. This forum has uses beyond modding phones, which generally breaks as much functionality as it fixes.
[Vibrant General] lqaddict:
you are confused, all the tech news published here are from the news hubs, and the original purpose of the xda-developers is for those of us who do not want stock.
[Vibrant General] VeryCoolAlan:
Lol yuppers...
[Vibrant General] N8ter:
No, not really.

When you want to know what's going on with a phone. You come here and look at the first page of the general forum.

Maybe you don't want it to be that way, but you can search the forum and you'll see how many people say "I've been lurking here for news" etc. in all of the forums.

Those who don't want stock can sit in the development forums. The rest of us ignore those and sit in General.
[Vibrant General] firefly6240:
just my opinion, but I definitely look at a phone for development potential.

and the vibrant has the best potential of any tmobile phone.

I realize I'm in the minority, but I'm ok with that :)

I do have to say though, that I really had no problems at all with the stock vibrant.

it runs just fine, I've heard of gps issues, but never had any myself.

no lag issues :-/

I have a lag fix on it now, and I get great benchmarks, but in reality theres not much difference, its just as good as it always was.

but then I did come from the mytouch 3g before that so it might just be that much of a difference that I did not notice the lag.

I have used my freinds droid 2 and noticed it was pretty laggy comparitivly, but I havent tryed the mt4g yet, I've watched videos of the g2 vs the vibrant and noticed the g2 seems laggyer in most cases as well. (although it gets better benchmarks lol)

the only thing I did notice was the battery drain, but I'm also one of the lucky ones thats never far from a charger for too long, so personaly its not an issue, although I can see where it would be for most people.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Chunky Munkayy:
I need to send my phone back in for warranty (Camera stopped working) i've tried searching the previous threads but all the old methods like omnius dont work (can't download it) I've got the original root packages but that only gets me back to debranded x10i firmware. Kind of a new i've tried using the current flasher made by bin4ry and loading the firmware a_WWE_R1FA014_DEK.zip but i'm not even sure its rogers firmware and it hasnt yeilded me much success.

if anyone could help me out and give me a brief step by step :confused:
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] augie7107:
If all else fails use:

www.davinciteam.com

About $14 USD
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mik101:
I'm not 100% sure but I don't think a Rogers branded fw for the x10a was ever uploaded to XDA.

Edit: davinciteam should work too -- man it's been a while since I used that... I used to have a w650 a w800 a w850 and a w900 at different points. Haha.

The newest flasher from bin4ry doesn't work with version 1.6 as far as I know, so you'd have to use the old flasher (from those root packages you have) to flash it.

Unless someone can link to the OEM Rogers fw, your best bet is to go for the debranded one you mentioned in your post, with the older flasher from the root packages.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ptesmoke:
dude, I replaced mine, sent it back with generic 026, Rogers didn't say a word, I wouldn't stress about it.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] phuangk:
Make sure you have download the WWE_R1FA014 for X10a from post # 2 in the following link, and flash it to your x10a with flash tool.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=683793

Once that done, connect your x10a with SEUS and perform an update. SEUS should update your Rogers X10a to the latest Roger's firmware version.

Regards
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mik101:
Oh thats a good point too. I forgot about that. Evil evil SEUS. :D:p
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] junkk29:
I'm in a similar situation here, my USB connector broke and i need to send it back in. I'm on build 023 and i've also rooted my phone too, i know that voids the warranty for sure. What do you think?
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cmxd:
which flash tool and firmware files needed to restore photo to original x10a rogers 1.6 from nordic 2.1 x10i ?

didn't like 2.1 so want to restore my rogers x10a, anyway ?
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lunarken:
any 1 exp the corner lines of the screen started to turned yellowish n the side silver parts started to fade to black?
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ptesmoke:
uhhhh no lol, do you live in a mine?
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rogem_kk:
Do you by chance have a problem wearing silver jewelery where it tarnishes very quickly? It could be your body chemistry interacting with the metal. I know someone that simply can't have anything other than gold for long.
[Vibrant General] atvman29:
I got my first Vibrant on launch day with high hopes. Two weeks later I had a new one due the phone freezing EVERY time I opened Google Maps. I've held on to this one now waiting for a GPS fix and JI6 worked great for me....for about the first week. Now its just as bad as ever.

I get an initial fix much quicker, but after about five minutes it loses GPS signal completely and indefinitely. In the past week my phone has begun freezing AGAIN, including three times today alone. Two of the times I would go to unlock my phone and nothing would happen. The screen would remain off, softkeys wouldn't light up, and a long press on the power button does nothing. I have to pull the battery out and reboot.

This is incredibly frustrating because this phone takes nearly 5 minutes to boot (never actually timed it but I have to imagine somewhere close to that). So its a long wait before I can do what I intended to do. I did notice that Shopsavvy was sucking on the GPS signal when I rebooted the phone so perhaps that's what was secretly crashing it (Needless to say, ShopSavvy got the boot after the second freeze).

I've tried uninstalling and re-installing the Maps updates w/ no change. I would bring the phone back but T-Mo doesn't have any other phones I want. My Touch 4G is hideous and I don't want another QWERTY like the G2.

So did I just end up with another dud Vibrant or is there a fix? Would rooting fix my problems? This phone has never been rooted or hacked in any way.

Any ideas??? :confused::(
[Vibrant General] kangxi:
Short answer: Yes.

Short but longer answer: At least install a LagFix. I got back and forth between stock JI6 and Fusion 1.1 a lot. JI6 with a custom kernel and LagFix is butter. Fusion is even better.

You may have a dud though. I haven't had that many problems except for things I did myself.
[Vibrant General] jmatic:
I did not know what a real smartphone was supposed to be until I rooted and custom rom(ed) it. :)

For the first 3 months I had the phone... I was reluctant to root. But ofcourse... It was just another phone... laggy and slow...

Until I rooted and installed Bionix. Now its smooth as butter.

Good things in life are always free. I paid for a suffocated phone... xda developers free services released and refreshed my phone.

:D
[Vibrant General] martin0641:
Well

I would install Fusion 1.1 with the Core kernel from Sombionix and see if that fixes it. Stock is totally unacceptable.

If it stills sucks, its likely a dud.
[Vibrant General] pavvy:
You must either be getting dud phones, or you're installing some app that's messing them up(?) I'm stock/unrooted, and very happy. Not that I doubt the happy results reported by folx like those above, but I don't have bothersome "lag" or freezing etc. -- no issues that even tempt me to ROM-swap (I wouldn't have kept the phone if I weren't satisfied w/it stock).

My GPS did used to lose signal as you report; haven't given it a good comparison test since JI6 update.
[Vibrant General] atvman29:
Well I've rooted using OCLF and also applied the lag fix. No change.

I still find the phone dead 2-3 times a day with no warning. I'll go to wake it up and nothing happens.

Some of you think installing a new ROM with help? How can I do that? The one time I tried using ODIN, it was never able to identify my phone.

Ugh, why can't this POS just work.