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[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DamianGto:
Andrew stop posting lies about me in every gps tread.

OP: i would say you can't get a better phone then sgs. But you can be unlucky and get a bad phone.

Its not only gps that can be broken, but this is how products works in mass production. There will always be products that's bad that slips through the checks. But there will also be products that's is much better then it should normal be.

Im lucky to have 2 of them.

But try the phone out when you buy it.

Try the gps and make sure you 3 button combo works.

If it look god buy it.

If it looks bad, ask to try an other phone. If they don't let you, just go to an other store.

I did have an iphone 4 to, but i did sell that. Still got the iphone 3gs left.

So i can compare with them to.

The sgs is better in all area accept apps, mostly games.

But the sgs need some care to make it very good.

Mostly its a lag issue on some of them. But that easy to fix.

But a have never regret that i buy it in the first place. Also my girlfriend did buy one after she used mine.:-P

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[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] maesebit:
Come on. Let's be serious about this matter.

The day you see as many people complaining about broken screens, broken batteries, broken 3G reception, or any other phone part, as you see complaining about a flawed GPS behavior, THEN you could assume that we are facing an ordinary problem, as ordinary as a faulty screen, or any other part of the hardware. But this is not the case.

I don't see loads of people claiming about every other part of the phone being broken, as I see complaining about the GPS. And more important, I don't see loads of people with other hardware problems complaining about they having exchanged the phone for a new one, or having sent it to repair, and having got back another phone with the same problem again and again. That only happens when we're talking about the GPS problem, so we can say with no doubt whatsoever that this GPS thing is way bigger than "normal mass production fault rate".

So, buying a Galaxy S with faulty GPS is not just a matter of being unlucky. Thanks to people like you who wrongly drove me to believe that the GPS problem wasn't such a big thing now I own a Galaxy S with a mostly useless GPS.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darkoroje:
Excellent post. The GPS is certainly Galaxy's Achilles foot and anybody buying a SGS should realize that there is a significant chance that GPS on their device will not work properly. How big (or small) that chance is is a matter of debate, but it is certainly much larger than being just a random production fault that is normal with any mass produced product.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] t1mman:
Come on guys, lets not argue pointless-ly again about GPS issue.

Some have issue, some don't so, The answert has been stated: Test it before buying it.

Test for Time having a fix

Test it for accuracy (for at least 15 min.)

Then you'll see if it works fine or not.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nCoder:
Bought Mine in July (Vodafone Ireland 16GB). Never had problems with GPS.

Looks like the first batches was the best :)

Open sky in the car:

Fast fix < 10secs

Sat Fix > 8 sats (16 in view)

accuracy: very good < 10m

navigation: No issues until now > 800Kms use
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fredjm31:
Thank you for the advice. But this brings two questions :

- how can I test quickly the GPS is (well) working ?

- what is this 3 button combo you are talking about ?
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darkoroje:
The three button combo is the way to get the phone into "download" mode so that you can flash new ROMs on it. To test it, shut down the phone, and then power up the phone while holding down volume down, home and power keys. You should see a "yellow man" and a "Downloading" text - if that appears, the phone can enter the download mode.

The GPS can only properly be tested by actually driving (or running) somewhere and seeing if Google Navigation is able to keep GPS lock and track your movement correctly. Just testing in shop whether the phone can get GPS lock is not enough.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] The_Double:
Just try to get a fix inside the shop, phones good GPSes can (like the HTC Desire), Those with bad can't. (like mine, 3 weeks old)
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jonny_ftm:
Got mine in october, battery is 1.9.2010 dated, and I drive with GPS without any issue using Navigon and stock JM7

I'd say: buy from a shop with a 100% satisfied or money back logo. Then test GPS, if it's bad, return the phone. I personally think newer batches should be the most trouble free. However, there are surely still many old batches around even if you buy it today, you could get one of them...

I'm happy with SGS, won't get the desire (screen too ugly compared) and the HD is too big for my taste. But I got a good batch phone
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] andrewluecke:
Unfortunately, it isn't really that easy, unless you know someone who owns one :(

It isn't something you can test accurately in store. Either way, my advice is still that it's better to be safe than sorry. Even if the issue is hardware related, there is no way of knowing if the unit you buy works, the software on the Desire was heaps better for me (and so the Desire HD is probably even better).
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Will.1:
Mine took a long time to fix but when it was hooked it was all good. But that was with heavy clouds in the sky and rain.

The other day it took maybe 1/2 min to fix with Google Nav (which i think is too long) but then it was perfect

Usually it's fine but when it's aggravating, it's really aggravating.

It's no HD2 that's for sure (that phone has really amazing GPS)
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ickyboo:
I recommend if you can, Try both the HTC Desire HD and Samsung Galaxy S. Sure we are *****ing about GPs right now but what if theres other things you like about the Desire HD you don't know right now til you actually play with one. Also GPS has been OK with me but I never use it so I can't really comment, All I know is that if i'm ever lost in a forest I'm not going to be putting my life on it.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] milsjg:
Remember this discussion and HTC Desire

http://www.htcphones.net/htc-desire-gps-module-errors/

or this

http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100910085215AAav6G5

or this

http://android.stackexchange.com/qu...-on-htc-desire-after-android-2-2-froyo-update

According to the logic I have a faulty phone everybody has a faulty phone all HTC Desires have a crappy GPS.

Just stop complaining about Samsung and the GPS. All brands have problems with at least some of the phones. Samsung has some problems HTC have some problems even the iPhone, believe it or not has GPS problems. It depends on so many things and people in general do not understand the technology.

By the way look in the threads about GPS problems and SGS and you should find that there are 10 (at most 20) people that writes all the posts. Thats why it is a non issue.

My SGS has worked within reasonable expectations since June. The only thing that I can complain about is that when you are not moving it takes time to get the right position after the first fix. The GPS needs at least 1-2 minutes to lock down to the first real position 5 meters or so. I do not mean the accuracy shown by the program but the actual position. However when driving or walking I do not have any problems to get a good path using My Tracks or CardioTrainer.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] maesebit:
The difference is, with the Desire the problem got identified and solved. While Samsung only creates confusion about the Galaxy S problem.

Anyways, you can try to compare the ammount of talking about the Desire problem with the ammount of talkig with the Galaxy problem. Probably you'll find out it's hundreds of time bigger for the Galaxy S.

About how many people is filling the posts about GPS problems. Well, I guess that for the most people it's just pointless and useless arguing with someone who reports their GPS is doing fine, so I guess they won't waste their time debating with fanboys who try to convince them that after exchanging the phone for 3rd time theirs is an isolated issue.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Oletros:
Why I have to stop complaining about a feature that doesn't work?

And I tought that the only fanboys were Apple ones. My God, SGS fanboys are even worse.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] andrewluecke:
The GPS discussion thread has over 200 posts, and over 200,000 page views. You can barely call that a non-issue. Clearly, there are plenty of people who have had sufficient problems to bother searching for GPS in the forums.. And that's despite the fact GPS works, but has some accuracy/locking issues for some.

Whilst working at the Applecentre, we found that many "major problems" in the news were overrated, and others were underrated. However, users would mostly replace their unit a few times and they'd get one which works. It seems now though, that regardless of the number of times units are "repaired", that they are STILL unfixed.

This isn't really an obvious problem, and only affects a niche group of users, and some users are misdiagnosing it's existence, because they don't understand that it only affects users on dense roads mainly, and those who use it for fitness purposes.

However, I dare anyone here to find a user who'd replace any fitness GPS (even one from years ago), with the SGS. I used to be a fanboy months back, but the reality is, as time progressed, I experienced more evidence, and I no longer believe the GPS is as good as it SHOULD be..
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] milsjg:
Well maybe I am a SGS fanboy but when sitting indoor in my house having 1 meter error according to Google maps I cant say that it do not work. However if you think that only my works I think you are a little bit one eyed, maybe you are a HTC fanboy trolling the forum who knows.

What I am really saying is that for example Apples 3 models had a lousy GPS, nearly no one complained (because it is Apple). I think that you have the right to complain and discuss your phone but there should be a balanced view. For example that it is not only SGS that has a imperfect GPS but all mobiles tend to have some bad devices (yes HTC, Apple Ericsson LG etc). Samsung is trying to take over the Android market from HTC and that makes Samsung a target for criticism. I think that's the main reason for the debate, not that some phones having a bad GPS, A problem, which can have many explanations from bad manufacturing, software problem to little knowledge about GPS to plain trolling.

By the way I did not know that HTC solved the problem with GPS and android 2.2. According to this forums logic at least one has reported the problem so it must be a general problem.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Oletros:
The problem is that perhaps YOUR SGS GPS works, a lot of SGS GPS doesn't work. Really don't you understand this or are you just trolling?

Ah, I have had and iPhone 3G, an HTC Hero, a Nexusw One and now I have an SGS and I haven't had any problem with the former ones, only with SGS GPS.

So, why don't you go to another posts and stop trolling this ones? Lucky you that you have a good GPS, if do you think we are lying or we are trolling, I will pay shipping expenses and we can exchange our SGS's.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] andrewluecke:
No, I don't own a HTC..

The only half decent tracks I see are using trackerbooster. There is clearly a problem. You might not be affected, however, I've been having trouble getting recorded tracks from those who "aren't affected".

It's also a problem based on opinion. My Forerunner 305 is YEARS old, and it's much more accurate than this high-end phone. If a GPS which is years old can produce very awesome tracks (despite being the size of a wristwatch), I think we should be able to expect consistent results from this phone.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bau33:
out of my experience, SGS GPS is above medium compared to other smartphones. Is not the best in the world but can be used for car guidance without problems

I had up to now HTC Kaiser, HTC Diamond, HTC Touch Pro, Iphone, etc and the GPS from SGS is at least on the same level and out of the phones i had it is the most accurate one

I have only one bug with my SGS GPC - long fixing time

Bugs i had with the other phones:

HTC Kaiser - GPS memory gets corrupted very often - you have to reset the GPS memory and wait 5-15 min for relocation

HTC Diamond - very inaccurate (ex: all the time the location on the gps was 200-300 meters behind the actual one - imagine guidance with this :) )

HTC Touch Pro - very long fixing time even with ephemeris data (5-20 minutes), very often loosing the signal

Iphone - very long fixing time, very bad accuracy (200-400 meters)

On SGS i have long fixing times (2-10 min, depending on settings) but accuracy is quite ok (10-100 meters) - the best from the phones i owned - what more can you want from an integrated GPS? If you need a very good GPS take a dedicated one - external (doesn't remind you about integrated graphic card vs dedicated graphic card?)
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] milsjg:
So you have worked with Apple why did't you choose Apple over SGS. 2000 post you mean, but you yourself has posted over 800 in XDA developer forums Ghosty 150, zordx 190, DamianGto 450, TravUK 400, sdjean 220 etc not all about GPS but many in GPS forums. So it is not 2000 different users, it is a relative few. Also the hype of GPS problem tends to make people search for GPS and SGS by curiosity or to enlighten themselves. I am unfortunately one of the guys that makes the GPS question stick to the beginning of the tread
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darkoroje:
So how do you explain the fact that, for example, Anandtech review of Galaxy S specifically mentions GPS as not working properly ? That was just hype was it ?
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Schmich:
And some of us can't get it to work at all depending on the schyzo GPS. Here's one of the worst ones I've gotten and next to it is when I borrowed my friends Desire: see attachement

edit: so you know, the Desire has a correct pathing, starting and ending point.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] maesebit:
I think this is the main point.

When I use the GPS for in car navigation it performs ok. Specially when driving on roads, highways, and big avenues. I also get good results when I use it outside the city, in open spaces with no buildings around.

The problem comes when I try to use the GPS into a dense urban location, with lots of streets and buildings everywhere. Then is when my GPS performance is too weak, making it useless at times.

I'd dare to say that many people reporting a good GPS haven't tested it in the circunstances it fails. Add to this the nayseyers who are unable to admit that their beloved phone is flawed, and the haters who bash this phone sistematically, and we have set the perfect scenario for brainless debate.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] andrewluecke:
I don't use Apple because I CAN think for myself.

And sorry, but just because I posted that many posts, doesn't mean I clicked refresh 200,000x.

Are you honestly saying there are no bad tracks out there? You are entitled to your own opinion, however, in my EDUCATED opinion, my SGS, produces RUBBISH tracks compared to my Forerunner 305 (which is years old). Yes I can get a lock, but big deal! When my tracks regularly show me whilst running zigzagging roads, with claims that my max speed jogging was 36km/h, sorry, but I think I have a right to call the GPS inconsistent.

Whilst you are defending them though, show us your flawless recorded tracks. Because mine are a joke..
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] t1mman:
And then, I've ran another perfect track using SportyPal with TrackerBooster with my SGS. I don't have any issue since I've began to use TracerBooster PERIOD! Used to have accuracy issue, now I don't!

I guess I must be in a dream or something?!
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Y Ddraig Goch:
Copied from other thread:-

I noticed a lot of threads complaining about the GPS on the Galaxy S.

I use the GPS extensively for walking and have never had a problem - it locks quickly and is accurate.

I decided to perform a comparison between car navigation using my Tom Tom one and my Galaxy S. I have been doing this during my trips to work for the last 3 days. The result is that the Galaxy S is just as good as the Tom Tom and usually locks quicker. It has never 'jumped onto another road' as I have seen reported. It's completely fit for purpose.

I'm not suggesting that other people don't have issues but would suggest that in order to understand the problem properly people need to also post when the brought their phone (to get an indication of the h/w revision) and also which ROM they are using.

My Galaxy S is 4 weeks old and I'm running Doc's 7.2 JPO Froyo build and the SpeedMod kernel. The GPS works great!

Please no responses stating I'm a 'fanboy' or 'have not tested it in the right conditions'. I do howerver, recognise a good piece of embedded hardware when I see one.

I suggest all the people who have problems just send the phone back as this is the normal procedure for dealing with faulty goods. If you are not confident enough that your equipment is faulty to do this then please, for the sake of the rest of us, stop moaning.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] maesebit:
No.

The normal procedure is sending it to repair, ande getting it back in good conditions. However, you send it to repair, and after being for a month with no phone, you get it back equally flawed.

Trust me that if this was a normal hardware issue that gets solved by normal procedures, all this buzz about it wouldn't be going on.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DamianGto:
You can call me a fanboy if you like. I don't care, i know the facts.

I read alot and i can say without any doubt that there is a gps problem with the sgs, but is not as big like some of the people say.

Even if you look at the big poll tread it still not as bad that this people say.

What i don't understand why people with bad gps any want to hear other bad stories.

It doesn't matter who comes to this gps tread and have a good gps they always been called fanboy and all thing they say is wrong.

So i just think we that have a good gps just stop posting in all of this tread and let this people post all bad stories for them self.

I make a new tread that is used to only good tracks and that kind of thing. But i bet it will be alot of bad track for this people don't understand why.

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[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] maesebit:
Nah, don't even try to victimize yourselves. People complaining about bad GPS are the victims here.

Nobody is against people posting about their good experiences with the GPS. People gets pissed when they not only share they good experiences, but also try to make everybody believe that this is a normal isolated issue, maybe trying to defend Samsung for some extrange reason I don't get to understand.

And yes, that behavior by some of you is really annoying for those who have the problem, since we don't need this to be forgotten by people and by Samsung itself. We need to cause as much buzz as posible and to let everyone know that the issue is there waiting to be solved, so we can put pressure on Samsung, and maybe then, we receive a fix.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darkoroje:
I spoke with Samsung support (in the UK) today. Got put through to some Indian call centre and they claim they know nothing about any GPS problems. However they did say to take it into Carphone Warehouse for inspection. Apparently Carphone Warehouse is handling servicing for Samsung phones, even if the phone was not bought in their store.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DamianGto:
I have no problem to accept there is a gps problem on some sgs.

But i and other that have a good sgs gps would be glad if these people stop lying about us and the sgs.

They still try to convince all people that there is none working sgs.

And that is a big lie.

Even in the poll it shows that there is alot of working sgs.

So just stop this lies and try to figure out what's wrong and how to fix that.

This is done on every phone and all other areas on sgs, but with sgs gps people have stop to think and just complain. If you think Samsung or other company would care about some bad post in a forum you are delusion. It won't happen.

Look at apple and the iphone 4.

Basically nothing has happened with there antenna problem.

All miljon people that buy that still has the problem when the signal is weak. Solution on that is to hold the phone in a different way.

So my point is if yours sgs gps don't work like you want go to the shop and demand a replacement.

It that easy. Well you maby have to wait, but is that not better than having a defective sgs?

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[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bynar010:
Did damo actually say "By the way look in the threads about GPS problems and SGS and you should find that there are 10 (at most 20) people that writes all the posts. Thats why it is a non issue. "

That is the most retarded statement I have ever seen in my life. 10 - 20 people taking the time to post on one forum must equal 100s if not 1000s of people in real life. Hilarious.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] milsjg:
That was Fascinate not Galaxy. They have different layout led etc and he claims that there already a fix for Facinate so he do not seem trustworthier . I do not claim that all GalaxyS have a good GPS but why do some have it and why do some have obviouse crappy ones? Is it because of a bad batch or is it because of provider or software or task mangers or..... Well I do not know but you have to ask yourself the question if you do not like it should I not sell it and buy another phone and find something crappy about the new phone like reception power-down etc.?

Among 2000 post nobody seems to have solved the riddel so you will probably never find the answer what make your phones GPS crappy and mine makes me happy.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] milsjg:
Keep the desire and give me the Galaxy if it is so bad or maybe sell it on Ebay.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Schmich:
Looking at the poll the majority have some kind of problem with the GPS. That some people have a working GPS is irrelevant, that doesn't make the none-working units suddenly work.

Apple has come out publicly and said it's a hardware problem together with a misunderstand on how the bars work. Samsung has done what? Nothing if not brought delusion that it's a software problem and that it would be fixed. Trying to defend Samsung's approach on its costumer service is laughable. I mean have you seen how the phones performs without a lag fix? Last week my Galaxy S lagged out 4 app upgrades making me have to reinstall the FW if I want to use those apps again! Apprently it's a no-no to press the "Update All" button.

I feel sorry for the average Joe who just want a phone that works, and yes with the 8million+ Galaxy S sold you can be sure there are plenty of none techys using the phone. It is really a shame, for the rest the phone performs really well, especially graphics-wise, has TV-out, plays all kinds of codecs etc.

Too many trolls around here.