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[Focus General] cppbronco:
Bought a Patriot 16gb Class 4 card from Newegg, model PSF16GMCSDHC43P.

No problems with stability, been using it as an alarm clock the past few days and no restarts in the night (thank goodness), seems fine when I'm using it.

The problem is transferring songs from my Zune collection. This also only started happening after passing 8-9gb on the initial sync, out of the on-board memory I'm guessing. I've seen it a few times in this thread, mention of slow transfers, but no other information. It seems to do good for 5-10 songs and then slow to a crawl. Sometimes it throws up an error in the Zune software that the phone is not responding. Meanwhile the phone itself is responsive, though I caught it hiccuping on the unlock after several stop/start's of the sync process.

When I installed the SD card I did a hard reset, but not a second reset. Was that necessary or possibly the reason that the card/phone are performing this way? Anything else I can do short of another reset or is that pointless?

Thanks.
[Focus General] Red Grenadine:
I've used this for over a week now with no problems. Pretty happy considering the Sandisk 32gb class 2 I used earlier had problems after 2 days
[Focus General] jaraya13:
Just to inform that my MicroSD Samsung Class 2 card 16GB is working great so far, I have loaded it with 10 GB of media and so far so good. No random reboots, data loss, etc.
[Focus General] jojo0821:
I use the MicroSD Samsung Class 2 card 16GB

No random reboots, data loss, etc.

But after the space is less than 10G, and sometimes the focus will be slow, but placed over a period of time will restore the speed back(maybe read cache?).

When the machine becomes very slow, take pictures with the camera, start the software, browse the market all are very slow.
[Focus General] swake457:
Just to follow-up since I first posted this. I've been running this card since November without any problems at all....
[Focus General] phoneguy 4567:
I have a 16GB class 2 card that has been running for about 6 weeks with some random reboots. Basically when the phone reboots it displays just the default tiles & apps, another reboot brings back the missing apps & tiles. Today while waking up the phone from standby I got the message resuming & after a little while the phone reboots just showing the default tiles. Does the phone have hibernation mode that keeps running apps in a suspended state? I have approx. 7 GB of free memory.
[Focus General] FishFaceMcGee:
The fact that your phone is showing the default tiles on restart is proof that you card/phone has shat the bed. That's what this thread describes as "data loss."
[Focus General] Sebo1985:
Sandisk 32GB Class 4

Day 1

Filled with 24GB of Music, a bunch of apps, hotmail calender and contacts.

Working like a charm. Syncing pretty fast, one song app. 2sec.
[Focus General] jojo0821:
My first card is Sandisk Class2 16G.

When after the space is less than 10G, random reboots.
[Focus General] yobyeknom:
Ok - I've been loading up the 16GB Samsung class 2 card with music and videos since yesterday and I'm showing available storage of 12.78GB so I'm over the 8GB and I've got no issues at all. I'm going to rip some more DVDs to transfer over via Zune along with some more MP3s and I'll report back.
[Focus General] kawgirlval69:
beware if 15 gb....... thats where mine went unstable fast........
[Focus General] COP'SMOM:
Focus windows 7 phone

WHERE did you get the Memory Card for the Samsung Focus (i917)

AT&T now has posted this on their tutorial page

Note:

Windows Phone 7 requires a certified high-speed microSD card for optimal performance. Because the Samsung Focus is expandable via a microSD card, only microSD memory cards certified for Windows Phone 7 should be used. This information is not currently marked on any microSD packaging in market today. As a result, we are advising customers to delay purchasing an external microSD card until the cards identified as “Certified for Windows Phone 7” are available commercially or in AT&T stores. For more information about Windows Phone 7 and microSD cards, you may visit ......a link to microsoft.

Microsoft says to contact AT&T and Samsung. We have. NO HELP from either. We have wasted 2 days trying to find these "certified" cards. We have 2 phones and need 2 cards NOW.
[Focus General] COP'SMOM:
yobyeknom This is my first time... the question WHERE did you get a Samsung memory card was for you.
[Focus General] COP'SMOM:
Where does one obtain the MicroSD Samsung class 2 16GB card?
[Focus General] ahjushshi:
micro center 16gb working well.

it's been about 2 weeks now. i haven't seen a slow down or any glitches related to what other people were seeing with "bad" sd cards. i have been experiencing the music stuttering, but i think that's on another thread. no random restarts. i use the phone everyday for email and listening to music on my commute. been playing some games recently as well during the commute. so far, i'm going consider myself safe. i'll post anything if i run into any trouble.
[Focus General] RustyGrom:
I got mine at the AT&T store. Would NOT recommend it. Had lots of random reboots, temporary data loss, and even bricked a device entirely.
[Focus General] hapa papa:
People are getting the Samsung card from ebay. I do not have one yet, but the reports have been positve so far.

http://cgi.ebay.com/SAMSUNG-16GB-MI...gital_Camera_Memory_Cards&hash=item43a27e8967
[Focus General] yobyeknom:
Cop's Mom - the link that hapa papa posted is the ebay seller where I got my Samsung card. It looks like it went up by $4.00 since last week.

IIRC - SuperSport got one through Samsung tech support with certain model # on the back and he posted the information. StriderNo9 and some others reported good luck with the same card so I bought one. I've only been using it for a couple of days now but no problems. StriderNo9 has been using it for weeks and has reported no issues.

Good luck.
[Focus General] jaraya13:
yes that is the same I have, more than 10 GB filled up and "pouring like a kitten", fast synchronization, etc
[Focus General] Sebo1985:
Sandisk 32GB Class 4

Day 2

I think I got today 1 or 2 random reboots, without any effect, and one that pushed my settings to stock. A soft reset brought back everything.

I'm just hoping it doesn't get worse, than it's ok for me, for now.

I have to mention: It always happend while being in my pocket, not on the table. But on the table, it's plugged im mostly.

After reading a lot of stuff snd now experienceing it I think it's power issue. Should be possible to solve.
[Focus General] vedichymn:
Just be careful, after a while on an unstable card I had weird issues with content being blocked out and unusable (the phone thought it was from a different phone), it's generally just a downhill slide once you start to get resets.
[Focus General] JamesAllen:
Obligation

IMO, the hardware manufacturers, Windows and the carriers have an obligation to fix this issue. Samsung site, AT&T site and the AT&T stores all sell the microsdhc cards as accessories to the Focus. For those of us who purchased and installed them from either Samsung or AT&T, these sources have an obligation to provide a fix for the issue of non working cards. They sold them, they have an obligation to make sure they work. Now, the solution may be a Microsoft fix, but that is an issue between AT&T, Samsung and Microsoft.
[Focus General] OGCF:
Did he raise his price? I'm pretty sure it used to cost $24.99
[Focus General] mfaist:
I bought two of them for $24.99. He actually gave me $5 off of the second one because there was a shipping problem with the first one. He must have adjusted due to increased demand from Focus owners.

BTW, my card is working great so far. Loaded lightly for now, 9GB total, so 1GB on the card. Next week if I still haven't had any problems I will load it up to ~50% full.
[Focus General] smuook:
For the record, AT&T store sells Sandisk cards and not Samsung ones.
[Focus General] wangjs:
Maybe I'll just wait a little bit longer.... after first WP7 update...
[Focus General] jojo0821:
I totally agree with you.
[Focus General] Sebo1985:
Sandisk 32GB Class 4

Day 3

Phone worked flawlessly when plugged in and with appr. >85% battery.

Made no random reboot w/o data loss, but one with this 15MB issue. Soft Reset gave me back my data.

So, full battery, no problems. Luckyly right now I'm able to have it plugged in nearly all the time.

I'm also hoping for this first magic update, because the card itself seems to work pretty nicely, but perhaps it doesn't need a WP7 update but a Samsung Focus firmware update.
[Focus General] FishFaceMcGee:
The 15MB issue is the "data loss."
[Focus General] Sebo1985:
I know. I said I had no reboot without data loss, but one with.
[Focus General] FishFaceMcGee:
Your wording is confusing. The way you're saying it, it looks like every reboot has had data loss, and one reboot had data loss.
[Focus General] Sebo1985:
Anyway, just one with loss. ;)
[Focus General] patrickk:
So I just picked up a 16gb c2 Microcenter card. After the initial format I had around 22gb and the phone seemed to behave okay. I'm currently in the middle of doing the first sync with Zune. Copying about 12gb of data over and it seems like it's going to take about 2.5 hours.

I remember if I clear out my Zune HD and copy everything back over it did take a while, but I'm not sure if it took this long. Does that sound reasonable? A little over 1mb/s?

Also, something else I noticed. First time around I just grabbed the closest microusb cable laying around. It happened to go to my Kindle. It took over a minute for a single song to copy over. I cancelled and started over with the cable that came with the Focus and now I'm getting a few songs a minute. Anybody else see this? Is that normal too?

Update:

It got progressively slower as the sync continued. At the end it was copying podcasts, but at the clip of about 1 a minute or even slower. All told, it took about 3.5 - 4 hours for about 12gb of stuff.
[Focus General] OGCF:
Are you using an older computer? 4 hours for 12gb seems a little too slow for modern USB 2.0 speeds.
[Focus General] FishFaceMcGee:
I'm doubting it has anything to do with the computer. When I tried using the Class 4 Kingston 32GB card, the syncing got progressively slower once I got over 8GB.
[Focus General] patrickk:
Not really an older computer but not a really powerful computer. It's an Acer laptop with a CULV processor.

On the bright side though, I think I found the culprit. All my music is stored on a separate NAS and I'm only connectd to the router wirelessly. On top of that, my crappy router has spurts where the latency shoots through the roof and my ping times back to the router are >200ms. This happened to be one of those times, so when you put that alltogether, it's not surprising that it took that long.

In addition, towards the end when items were taking much longer to sync, it turns out they were going about 2-3/minute instead of 10. It seems those items were about 30mb each instead of 4-5, so that made sense.

I'm not inclined to copy everything over locally just for the sake of speed testing though. I have been downloading more through the market place over the last day and I'm now up to about 15gb/22gb on my phone and so far seems pretty stable. I'll continue to update.
[Focus General] Sebo1985:
Sandisk 32GB Class 4

Day 4

Used the device heavily for 24h, without plugging it in, till now as the battery was worn out. Not a single restart. I'm a little confused, perhaps the device stabilized itself :)
[Focus General] HoHoHoHo:
The slowdown is due to conversion of the media files by Zune. Check the size of the data in your Zune conversion directory you will be able to guess approx. how much media files were converted during the sync process.
[Focus General] Sebo1985:
Sandisk 32GB Class 4

Day 5

The phone seems to be very stable now. Nothing weird happend the last 48h.

From now on I will only write if something went wrong or with some days in between the postings.
[Focus General] uwbadgers16:
not sure if this has been answered yet, but how much have you filled on the device?
[Focus General] swtrader:
Is there an updated consolidated list. The first post seems out of date.

Thanks
[Focus General] Sebo1985:
Of course enough. 24 to 26GB. Perhaps i will fill it up to 40GB this week, just to test the device.
[Focus General] eried:
1 day with Trascend 8gb class 6 without issues. A lot of resets.

Will try filling the card.
[Focus General] sabesh:
What's the "15mb data loss issue"? And, how do I identify it? Thx.

EDIT: Never mind, I see it in the 1st post, LOL.
[Focus General] jbastian:
Using 10GB no and still no issues, a couple months later.
[Focus General] RGBell:
Update...

After reformatting the card and reinstalling everything I have been using the phone with a few glitches but it has been working quite well. I had one spontaneous reboot that had no data loss. I had one complete lock up that required removal of the battery, after which it appeared to be back to factory setup. I power cycled it and everything was back. It has been running well with no further problems. I have noticed that some of my alert sounds stutter or skip fairly often.
[Focus General] cppbronco:
Anyone?

Does slow transfers mean this card will never work or should I just format again?

Thank you!
[Focus General] Morriswindgate:
I have not followed up for a while, but I have used up over half of the Sandisk 32 gig card and have not seen any problems, I have about 150 videos on it, including 11 full lenght concerts that I converted to MP4, All the videos play flawlessly as does the music.

But remember this is the Sandisk 32 gig card that is listed as certified to work. I bought it from buy.com, so all you have to do is google it by the model number.
[Focus General] goldenpipes:
Your transfers my not be going that slowly, make sure you check to see if your Zune Software is converting the songs before transferring them. I put over 11gb of music on my Focus and at first transfer speeds were fast, but when I added a couple of albums that were 320kbps instead of the default 192kbps it seemed that everything slowed down. Then when I checked the file sizes of the converted songs on my phone they were smaller than the originals on my PC.

You can turn off background converting so you can see if certain things are taking longer to sync than others:

Settings -> Phone -> Conversion Settings -> Uncheck "Allow media files to convert in the background"

Hope this helps at all.
[Focus General] goldenpipes:
also forgot to say that I am currently using a Kingston SDC4/8GB with no problems no lagging.
[Focus General] goldenpipes:
+1 @ OP

Thankiez
[Focus General] Sebo1985:
Sandisk 32GB Class 4

Day 8 or something

I loaded up quite a lot pictures and some movies (hell they look great) to the device and made some senseless 720p movies to get the card full. Now only 1,5GB ist left over.

I had 2 reboots with dataloss rather shortly after the data transfers.

Now the card is stable again. I will watch it for a few days with few syncing, only some music deleting and adding, and then I will delete all the junk and see what happens.

My guess: If you do little syncing, or large amounts only few times, you can live with those rarely reboots, perhaps it's just kind of an reorganization the device does, who knows. If you sync a lot of data in a high frequency, e.g. podcasts or movies this could be an issue for you.

Just a guess and maybe completely wrong^^
[Focus General] goldenpipes:
Thank god the update is due this month. As it is supposed to bring more stability to this sd card fiasco. Anyone seen certified wp7 micro sd's yet?
[Focus General] FishFaceMcGee:
Where did you see either of those things (update out in January and bringing SD card stability)? I haven't seen anything set in stone about that. The "January Update" url got changed after everyone saw it, and nothing has referenced the microSD card ****.
[Focus General] JamesAllen:
Where is this info?

I haven't seen this anywhere, although hoping for it. I think it is irresponsible for MS, Samsung and ATT to offer SD cards in their stores/sites for sale as accessories for the Samsung Focus while all of these problems are happening, and with no direction expressed to customers. Irresponsible is the kindest thing I can say.
[Focus General] FishFaceMcGee:
I agree completely. I'm somewhat surprised someone hasn't tried starting a class action lawsuit against those companies given how I know one of the reasons I, at the very least, chose a Focus over the other phones was the microSD expansion slot. It's essentially a bait-and-switch with the way things are working. I would imagine you could really only sue AT&T and Samsung since Samsung obviously didn't do their due dilegence on testing cards and AT&T sold cards (and continues to list a 16GB card on ATT.com) even after everyone discovered the problems.
[Focus General] goldenpipes:
When I bought my phone the AT&T rep told me about the issue and Said Microsoft was working on an update.

I can only assume that the "quicker opening and resuming of apps" that's going to be in the update will fix the sd card mishaps.

/Shrug
[Focus General] FishFaceMcGee:
Here's the thing about AT&T talking about the update: no one else (Samsung or Microsoft) has said anything about an update that fixes microSD card support. People from AT&T told me back in November that a patch was coming. Now no one is saying a word.

You assume incorrectly. The opening and resuming of apps is changing how apps utilize the RAM.

And, right now, there is no info "confirming" that the first update is coming in January.
[Focus General] goldenpipes:
Thats all true but seeing as how the Focus is the only phone with the SD card issue (as far as im aware) there wouldn't be a whole lot of info out there about just the one phone when the "January" update will be for all phones. I guess we'll just have to wait and see... There's nothing wrong with being optimistic is there?
[Focus General] FishFaceMcGee:
Is there something wrong with optimism? No. However, stating your optimism as fact is dangerous as it raises expectations of people who may not know better.

Honestly, though, if this update included some sort of fix for the microSD crap, I would have to imagine that someone would have a mentioned it other than AT&T in November (who now has no knowledge of an update).
[Focus General] goldenpipes:
Oh my word, firstly I never stated anything as fact. Secondly, I used words like, supposedly and assume. Last time I checked neither of those words were never used to support a fact. Maybe the people that don't know any better should stay out of it. Now before this thread gets locked can we stay on topic? I just ordered a 32gb SanDisk so illnpost some stuff when I get it.
[Focus General] FishFaceMcGee:
That's my bad. The only fact thing you stated was about it coming out in January, so that's my mistake.

Did you get a class 2 or class 4 SanDisk card? My class 2 32GB Sandisk crapped out pretty quickly. Hopefully yours (whichever you get) works fine. :)
[Focus General] goldenpipes:
Class 4 from newegg
[Focus General] eried:
2 days with my transcend 8 gb class 6 without problems.

9 gb of music, like 5 gb remaining in the device
[Focus General] Reflexx1:
I don't think there's an update coming to change how the OS accesses memory from a card. That's something that could mess up a lot of other things.

Instead, I hope to see some sort of certification for a certain line of cards. Manufacturers obviously have access to cards that work since they are using them in their devices.
[Focus General] martijnloeffen:
Does anyone know if Transcend 4GB or 1GB Sandisk work?

Thanx...
[Focus General] FishFaceMcGee:
I don't think anyone has tried anything lower than 8GB.
[Focus General] SuperSport:
While I don't personally have an answer for you, I would suggest not trying the 1GB card. At least if it were me, I wouldn't. The minimal gain would not offset the possible frustration and non-working SD Card. (Unless of course, you have a way of formatting it after).

I Still have not had a reboot or data loss with my Samsung card, but I do get regular slow downs and downright freezes that might last a second, or even 20 seconds. I'm half considering removing the SD Card again just to see if it's the SD Card causing most of the problem. If I remember correctly, I still had some screen sensitivity issues with it, but lately, it can be unbearable. It will freeze, and I get to the point where think I need to softreset, then all of a sudden, it starts to react again.

And I also agree, I'm surprised there has not been any talk of a class action suit over this. I still love the phone, but I really should not have to wait this often to get something done. I just hope they don't release a statement telling us "Just don't hold it that way". :p

On a side note, it does appear to happen Most Often when using Marketplace. Maybe the Market update will help.

My last side note on this post: I've got WM7 installed on my HD2 and I don't have ANY lag, non-responsive screen, or issues with my SD Cards. As a matter of fact, performance wise, it blows the Focus out of the water. So it's obvious there are some actual hardware/driver issues involved.
[Focus General] eried:
Beats the focus without the sd card? :eek: I what kind of tasks?
[Focus General] SuperSport:
Pretty much most things. Screen redraws, screen sensitivity, Internet page loads (on WiFi, I'm ATT, so no 3G on HD2), getting around email, most things. And, I can pull the SD Card and use it on my PC afterwards. Maybe that's the difference. It does not digest the SD Card the way the Focus does.:rolleyes:

The Focus really is quick when I first use it after a format, but after a couple weeks, it starts to lag again. Even if I don't continue to add apps, files, etc...

Also, the thing where the Focus Screen stops responding if you lay it on a desk or soft surface does not happen with my HD2, so that's obviously Focus related. I'm still hoping it's software/drivers, but only time will tell. I run into that more and more lately. I like to keep the phone out of my pocket when I'm at my desk.

PS: Maybe it's because it's a custom ROM for the HD2 (Stock, but Custom). We all know how much that helps our other phones.
[Focus General] goldenpipes:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...47&cm_re=32gb_micro_sd-_-20-220-547-_-Product

Patriot LX Series Class 10 32GB Micro SDHC Flash Card Model PSF32GMCSDHC10 (32GB)

anyone try this one?
[Focus General] FishFaceMcGee:
I don't believe anyone has tried it yet, but be warned: the current trend has suggested that the higher the class speed (at least for brands that aren't SanDisk), the less reliable the card.
[Focus General] goldenpipes:
yeah i ordered the class 4 sandisk but saw this after words just checking
[Focus General] eried:
I don't know but everyone said the Transcend Class 6 won't work, and I have used my phone constantly nearly 4 days now without any issue/slowness/glitch and it almost full (4 gb left in the whole phone from 8+8gb total)... and I am very picky about minor glitches or slowdowns.

Are everybody sure that they aren't using counterfeit microsds? Maybe we can find another way to keep the success or failure of each card. I am thinking on build a small php form, but it will be very susceptible to malicious people spamming the results, any idea?
[Focus General] goldenpipes:
Definitely like that idea, can u make the form require the persons xda username so if they are spamming it u can report them to the moderators? If the don't have a valid xda username they can't post.

just jotting it down while I'm on break.
[Focus General] mcorrie1121:
Apologize in advance for the laziness, but the main list hasn't been updated since late November, and this is a lot of pages to read. What are some solid 32 GB cards to use with this phone? SanDisk and Samsung, Class 2 or 4?
[Focus General] FishFaceMcGee:
Right now, I don't think we have a card that has been thoroughly tested by many users to be stable. People seem to have had good luck with the SanDisk Class 4, but I don't think anyone has had it for a significant amount of time yet (week+).