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[Focus General] kawgirlval69:
is anyone that are having the icons issue, powering their phone down daily? if not theres probably a good reason.. its not a memory leak. its just filling the memory up. its like a computer that hasnt been shut down for a while. it gets laggy and quirky.. same with smartphones, you cycle them once a day. i turn mine off right before bed when i put it on charge. plug it in and it turns back on and i have a day of a non glitchy phone. thats solved many glitchy issues with smartphones over the years... on the old wm, i used to direct the non volatile mem and the caches from the browsers to my memory card... that boosted the performance tremendously...
[Focus General] vedichymn:
No it does not, there doesn't seem to be any way to backup game saves right now.

EDIT:

I suppose it's possible a game could do that on it's own, but outside of something like AlphaJax, where the game progress is taking place on a server somewhere else, you're out of luck.
[Focus General] SuperSport:
Just yesterday, I reinstalled Crackdown 2 and I did in fact lose all my progress. My XBL Achievements, etc, were saved to the server as should be, but the progress was set to the beginning. I'm not sure about your two games, but it's entirely possible all will be lost.

It may not fit the definition of a memory leak perfectly, but it's dang close. I agree, rebooting a computer occasionally will bring them back from havoc on many occasions (it's one of the first things I tell customers to do when they have unexplained issues), but it still should not be necessary. If programs were written properly, it wouldn't happen.

For instance, our phone is not yet allowed Multitasking, so why the filling of memory? When a program is closed, it should release ALL of the used memory back to the system. But, unfortunately, that is not always the case, thus the m_m_ry leak, or whatever it's called. I hope whatever type of leak it is will be addressed with future updates. This is all assuming it has anything to do with the memory being full in the first place, and not a power or hardware or other issue.

By the way, I'm still a big fan of WP7, but let's not sugar coat the issue, otherwise Microsoft won't realize there's a problem. I'm glad they've decided to support the DEV community, now maybe issues like these will be addressed quicker than in previous Windows Phone builds, or IOS's for that matter.
[Focus General] kawgirlval69:
@ supersport... i agree it is close and there may be a small one, but it is more likely to be just bunched up info that releases after the unit is cycled... as for what is filling the memory... well every time you browse the net... it uses the cache and puts info in non volatile mem... games... basically any program you use does put small amounts of info there. now the newer phones can take this better than just last years, but they still can use it... i do it every day because id certainly doecsnt hurt it, but if i miss a day, oh well... its just the principle of keeping it clean running.. and considering we cannot make the cache and non vol memory go to the sd card yet its just a good thing to do. i did this on my old omnia 2 and hd2. i made the 2 memory eaters go to the card, and i went for 3 days without restarting.. just to see if it was causing the glitchy issues those 2 phones were notorious for having. plus it made the multitasking problem of shutting programs down a non issue. again it doesnt hurt...

as for the candy coating, i totally agree. m/s needs to know all issues. this is important for current and future development. thing is we as users can make some of these issues pretty much non issues until theres a fix, just by doing something as simple a power cycle every day or 2.....

Mod Edit: Cleaned up post

user edit: thank you lyriquid !
[Focus General] SuperSport:
You are absolutely right. It does not hurt a thing, and only takes a couple extra seconds each day. If stability is what we are after in this early stage of WP7, then that step is well warranted. And, it's not like we didn't/don't continually tweak WM to make it stable. ;)

Again, I'm a big fan of Microsoft's work, so I'm not bashing them, just want to keep them on their toes. :p For that matter, I'm a fan of all the major cell phone players right now, and even some of the smaller guys. I'm pretty much a tech junkie... Gotta run now and get my fix! :eek:

PS: I also run a media center computer 24/7, but I do make it a habit to reboot my computers at least weekly, and I do a complete wipe and reinstall of the OS on each of my computers at least once, sometimes twice a year. Makes a huge difference on performance. I've also been able to get away with going months without a reboot, but each time I do, it inevitably ends up locking up and not recording my wife's shows, which makes for an unhappy/lonely tech junkie.
[Focus General] kawgirlval69:
guilty here too...tech junkie, hobby and job..lol its just fun to know how things tick and to make them tick how you want them too...

i know youre not bashing m/s... you have to admit they did do a whole lot of things right this time around.. im ok with whats buggy so far...
[Focus General] SuperSport:
Ditto. ;)
[Focus General] mKTank:
I really hope the NoDo will fix this problem, or at least one of the smaller updates before Mango. Funnily enough, it doesn't occur on the 8GBC2 Lexar, but it kills just about everything else.

At the very least, I really hope I don't have to wait until Mango. There's a sea of bugs that need to be fixing, not just this.

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[Focus General] kawgirlval69:
For the money, the Samsung can't be beat. Plus its certified so does not affect the warranty. Win win...
[Focus General] JamesAllen:
Which One???

Which Samsung? Class, Capacity, seller? The ones sold on Ebay?

Thanks.
[Focus General] FishFaceMcGee:
If he's talking about what I think it is, your answers are Class 2, 16 GB, the user name is Nikolai something, on eBay.

While Samsung has told one person here that the card is certified, I wouldn't expect anyone to support it. Everyone else in Samsung support has no knowledge of any certified cards other than the supposed 8GB Sandisk Class 4.

In regards to warranty, though, AT&T (or whoever) has no way of knowing that you put a card in your phone, if it somehow breaks it and you need to return it.
[Focus General] JamesAllen:
Thanks

Thanks, thought that was the one but had not read anything previously about this card being "certified". I don't want anything lower than 16GB so don't want to go the Samsung 8GB Class 4 route. I already have a Sandisk 16GB Class 2 that is working fine so my plan is to wait for the nodo update and see if there is a fix in that release. If not, try to wait until "certified" cards are identified. If I have a problem before then, maybe go for the Samsung from Nikolai.
[Focus General] lyriquidperfection:
Lets not have anymore nonsense in this thread and please stay on topic!

Play nice!
[Focus General] SuperSport:
Very true. I've never seen any other mention of it being certified. When I was told it was, I called back on 12-15-2010 to verify it. The person on the phone (I'll keep her name out of this in case it will cause her trouble) went to her superior, confirmed it, came back and told me it was, and I quote, "DEFINATELY CERTIFIED". I've got the notes in front of me now, and I wrote it just as it was said to me.

By the way, in Samsung employee's defense, the individuals I spoke with were all very polite and concerned about the issue and wanted to do everything in their power to help.

But again, like FishFaceMcGee said, I doubt they would "officially" stand behind that statement as it appears they've backed off of ALL "Official" coments, other than "Nothing is Official". I'm sure it's because they are trying to figure out the best way to handle the issue with the least amount of problems. I believe they will get it worked out one way or another. If not, it's still a pretty cool first of it's kind phone.
[Focus General] mKTank:
Sorry.

You know, certified or not, whether cards will play nice with WP7 or not is a bit like winning the lottery. It doesn't seem like there's a particular thing that WP7 prefers over others, given by how randomly it likes/dislikes cards.
[Focus General] SuperSport:
It is strange how, sometimes, different people have different results with the same card. That's why I'm feeling like it's a few issues, and not strictly the SD Card. Although, some of the problems are Definately the SD Card.
[Focus General] mKTank:
Yeah. I respect that the SanDisk 16GB C2 doesn't work for some people but it worked perfectly here aside from the usual C2 bugs. I couldn't think of anything to explain that, though.
[Focus General] amtrakcn:
Just received my Kingston 16GB class4 MicroSDHC today, installed and all data survived several reboots.
[Focus General] kawgirlval69:
good luck with it ... keep us informed.... i just got one of those in a phone i bought junked today... so id love to hear your findings before i format for the 20th some odd time..lol
[Focus General] wirelessF:
Has anyone tried a Sandisk 32GB C4 card? I have one coming in tomorrow so I wanted to know others experience before I install it.

I've seen issues with 32gb C2 cards but others recommend C4 or higher so I went with the C4 card.
[Focus General] kawgirlval69:
heres you some good reading...

http://xdaforums.com/search.php?searchid=59845137

hope it helps!
[Focus General] amtrakcn:
Till now it's working great:D
[Focus General] sheba611:
I put in Sandisk 32GB C2 card in my brand new Focus and so far no problems (only had the phone for 1 full day).:)
[Focus General] mKTank:
From the trend I'm seeing, the higher the GB count, the less reliable. You might get away with 16GB+ on several combos but generally a lot 32GB's tend to have issues for whatever reason.

32GB C4? Remains to be seen.
[Focus General] FishFaceMcGee:
I think Sebo had his 32GB C4 (from SanDisK) crap out on him. The Kingston 32GB Class 4 had some SERIOUS syncing issues (it was going to take DAYS to sync what would take hours on my Zune HD) for me.
[Focus General] mKTank:
Hm. I've had these sync issues occur with some videos. My guess is that Zune software is converting them for favorable playback on the device, and that takes lots of time. But yeah it only seems to happen for WMVs too. Very odd.

Anyway, it's a shame that so many problems plague this phone and WP7 in general. I wish Microsoft would go nuts on a fixing spree, and indeed hoped so on the day of purchasing this phone. Alas, it took them four months for update one. Not exactly the timetable I wished for. :/
[Focus General] kotgakapainor:
got a SanDisk 4GB Class 4, works solid with 90MB.

anyway better than 0 (Sandisk 16Gb Class 2).

Now buing a Kingston, Pny and a other Sandisk in rely to the List.

Hope at least 1 is working fine.

MFg
[Focus General] jmerrey:
another positive report for the 16gb samsung card that has been linked from ebay...25 dollars shipped, my device has about 18gb of podcasts, music, and pictures on it, no problems after 7 days +
[Focus General] Omega Ra:
anyone have any idea when Samsung is coming out with their 32GB cards? I thought they were supposed to be out already.
[Focus General] kawgirlval69:
from what i read it should be any day.... they didnt set an exact date, they just said released in feb.
[Focus General] Omega Ra:
cool, cause I am thinking of switching to AT&T to get the focus, and want to try a card out, and people seem to have success with Samsung cards...so I would want to try a Samsung card in the Samsung phone...
[Focus General] torotoro2:
Failed: Patriot Class 10 16GB

I can confirm that as well. Filled the phone past 20GB and reboot itself with the dreaded 16GB total memory problem.
[Focus General] Omega Ra:
Well, I ordered a Kingston Class 4 32GB cause on another forum a couple guys had success with it...will probably switch to AT&T soon...we'll see.
[Focus General] prayerfuldrop:
I had the 32GB SanDisk...your phone will begin rebooting abotu 3-4 times a day after you reach 10GB of stored information. The best SD card without any issues is the Samsung 16GB Class II. I have been using this now for awhile and haven't had any issues.
[Focus General] pittaman:
Main list seems to be neglected in the OP - Still no working 32gb chips yet?
[Focus General] jfreiman:
The Kingston 16GB Class 4 MicroSD card did not work for me.... lost all data in one day and decided it was a fluke - but then 6 days later everyting went away and hard to hard reset (the factory setting from the Setting Menu didn't allow for propper reinstallation of the OS).

I am hoping that some upcoming upgrade (not tweak - I'm not that despirate yet) will make upgrading memory reliable.

I'm routing for you Microsoft - I know you/we can do it! :D
[Focus General] mKTank:
Turn off the phone, then hold down the Volume Down, Camera, and Power buttons all at once and keep them held until the phone goes into SD card format mode.

Typically you're supposed to do this in the first place to make sure the card is formatted properly. But yeah, I had the same issue as you until I figured out this trick.
[Focus General] Jfran71:
Hey mKTank,

i'm buying a Focus this Friday but i'm not gonna have a 16Gb microsd on hand when i go to the store before it's powered on for the first time. Just verifying that given a compatible card, it will work correctly after the hard reset and format. Does WP7 reinstall the OS to include the new 16gb space?
[Focus General] FishFaceMcGee:
When you format it, it reinstalls the OS, and if it's done correctly then, yes, it will include all available space.
[Focus General] mKTank:
If you plug in a card after already having initialized the phone and started using it, then you will need to reformat everything just so that the card gets used with the OS correctly. With WP7, the card isn't just a storage extension with its own volume, but it actually becomes a part of the whole OS.

Anyway, you'll get the 8GB of internal storage + 16GB from the card. Usually around 20-22GB due to how things work out.
[Focus General] Andrew725:
Worth quoting this just to re-emphasize. When you see some person posting that they're using a 32GB card without problems, ask if all 32GBs have been used or not. As the card fills up the random reboots and memory wipes always seem to happen.

Besides the Sandisk 8GB Class 2 mentioned in the Focus instruction manual, the only card that has consistently proven itself (at least in this thread based on the feedback) is the Samsung 16GB Class 2.

The first post hasn't been updated in months so I wouldn't even use it.
[Focus General] skippyg4:
Corrupt Flash

I had a 32gb SANDisk in my Focus since Dec. has been working fine. it started doing a bunch of reboots recently. it got to the point yesterday though that i could no longer TXT, pictures app wasn't working, etc. Tried a Hard reset through the Settings menu. Upon rebooting and going back into about-settings i only had 15.73mb of storage space. figured the card was bad. pulled the 32gb card out. tried another reset still only 15.73mb of space. Tried the 3 finger salute method of the VOL down, camera, power button to format memory. still no luck. have been through about every method to get the 8gb of insternal storage back with no luck. Any suggestions? AT&T basically said take a hike warranty void since i stuck a SD card in the thing.

TIA
[Focus General] lavike:
Not specifically about any SD card but about having SD cards in our phones, but has anyone heard anything about any updates that are coming that will fix this problem?
[Focus General] mKTank:
They haven't said which update will address this. It will probably end up being a silent fix.
[Focus General] PaullikesWINMO:
I'm still holding out for the Samsung Cards, but does anyone know if a Toshiba 32GB Class 4 card will work with this phone ?
[Focus General] ZaidSenall:
I had the same problem you are having. I put the card in, the phone started "normally" and THEN I went to settings-> about -> reset your phone...

When the phone went back to the let's get started screen, I turned it off, took the sd card out, and performed the 3 finger salute on it, and THEN it went back to factory settings and I configured it using only the internal storage. it sucks that i no longer have 24 GB of memory, but at least the phone is stable now. i'll wait until good cards come out...

funny thing, i had an HD2 with wp7 installed on it with that same SD card since january 13th, and it never crashed. i went to Att for work reasons and my HD2 doesn't work on Att and that's why i got the focus. very dissapointed with the card issue. i've been considering the HTC Inspire on Att, but i just don't like Android. I prefer wp7 with its sleekness and its minimalism... i'm confident that the apps will come...

cheers!
[Focus General] kawgirlval69:
you could always buy a australian hd2.. the 9313 model it works on at&t... plus you could get the 16gb samsung micro sd..... i know its not 32 but its better than nothing... we should be seeing a 32gb from samsung soon...it was supposed to be released in feb.
[Focus General] PaullikesWINMO:
okay... thought I would give this a shot. Found a guy selling SanDisk 32GB card on Kijiji.ca (Toronto search). The card itself didn't have a class printed on it. The exterior (some what aged) packaging said Class 2. So for $45 I figured can't go wrong. I thought it could be a scam, since I've heard about possible methods of cards showing as 32GB, but really only being 1GB. The guy seemd genuine and even offered to give money back after I explained the issue with these cards and this phone, so figured it was a fair situation.

Anyway took the battery out, installed card, put cover back on. Then did the 3 button boot up (down volume key, camera button and power button). Card read as 32GB with about 38GB total showing (phone memory and micro sd memory combined). Did some shut down and power up cycles, and total memory showing 38GB. Started thinking hey... this might be good. :)

Then did a few more hard resets via the three button method and card still showing up and 38GB all there. :D Then I thought let me try a soft reset through the phone settings menu. This is where it fell apart. The 15.9 MB showed up. :( the 38GB was not available. :(

However not to be out done, I did a hard reset using three button method, and was back to 38GB. So I thought, why not just try loading up photo's and music since I know I have at least 16GB of music. So that is what I'm doing now. It's taking a very long time to sync. I'm hoping once it's actually synced all should be fine as long as I don't do any soft reset. I will report back in a few days.

Edit: no need to wait the few days. After loading up 16GB of music and photo's (took about an hour) the phone was somewhat laggy. It showed one update from the marketplace so I clicked on it. It started to load and then screen froze. I clicked the power button and the screen came back up showing the loading from the marketplace. Then it went blank ! The phone shut down and then tried to turn on. It showed the Samsung logo a few times, and when it finally booted up, it was back to factory reset (default blue tiles). :-( I checked the memory and sure enough back to 15.9MB. Oh well that was a good waste of a Sunday evening. Hope the 32GB certified cards are out soon.
[Focus General] rymerace:
Sandisk 32GB Class4 is unstable.

Hello Everyone!

This is my first posting.

I have Focus and Sandisk microSD 32GB class4.

Product Code is SDSDQM-032G-B35N.

This microSD is very unstable on my Focus.

It makes Focus oftenly freezing and occasionally making soft reset.

But the data loss haven't happened. NOT YET.

I am so afraid that data loss will happen.

I dont recommend Sandisk 32GB class 4.
[Focus General] TOA Duck:
You could have saved the money if you would have simply read the first post or even read the other posts. I have no sympathy for you guys.

I for the life of me cannot understand why people insist on trying cards in which have been tested and proved incompatible and unstable.

*Facepalm
[Focus General] nathantw:
For what it's worth, I really wanted 32GB. I even went to the store and purchased a 32GB card, but didn't open it after reading all the messages here. I initially purchased a 8GB Sandisk card when I bought my phone and have been using it for about a week now. I ended up returning the 32GB card to the store since I didn't want to take a chance.

The only blip I got was on Saturday when I looked down at my phone and it looked like it reset itself to default. I thought "oh man!!!" I then went out, enjoyed my evening, and then got home to tackle the rebuilding of my phone. I first tried to get the contacts off my SIM chip but it said there was no contacts. That was really weird. I then shut the phone off, took the battery out, took out the MicroSD chip, then reseated it. Put the battery back in and turned the phone on. To my surprise the phone was back to the way it was before I left for the evening, which was back to normal. Weird.
[Focus General] mKTank:
It seems to work for some people. 16GB and 32GB SanDisk cards both work fine here, except they're a bit slower than my Lexar C6.
[Focus General] SuperSport:
Hey mKTank, What info do you have on your About Screen? It seems there's definately a difference between phones, and I'm wondering what might be different on yours. Maybe a firmware or hardware revision, or something? Are you still using the standard battery? Are you over the 8GB of data used?

I'm hoping a firmware of software difference might be the case.

Just curious, thanks.

I'm showing:

7.0.7004.0

2103.10.10.1

3.1.0.7

2103.10.10.1

0.0.0.3

4.10.0.1

0.36.2.0

NO, I don't have the pre-update yet. I live in the sticks, maybe that's why? :confused:
[Focus General] PaullikesWINMO:
Well I have a useless phone other than using it just for calls and emails. The purpose of buying a smart phone was to have one device for music, pictures, email and phone calls. If the nice marketing people at Rogers or Samsung told me there would be issues with adding my own memory, I would not have bought the phone. I thought I would give it a go since I've been waiting too darn long and the Certified Cards don't seem to be materializing.

Some people have had success with 32GB cards, so for the price $45 I could not wait. No big loss since I am now using the card in my recently purchased Captivate. :-)

Next time I will take the phone back as soon as something does not work. No longer will I tolerate crap engineering.
[Focus General] BullwinkleJ:
Can someone post the information for the ebay guy again?

I've been waiting to order and now I can't find it.

Thanks!
[Focus General] mKTank:
Total Storage: 14.80GB

Available Storage: 4.97GB

7.0.7008.0

2124.10.10.2

3.1.0.7

2124.10.10.2

0.0.0.3

4.12.0.8

0.36.2.0

As for the update, my phone didn't tell me anything at all. I had to connect it to my computer, open Zune, and manually check for updates via the Settings page for the phone. It found the update first day.

As for the differing firmware revision number, radio software version, and bootloader version, it's probably something that was delivered in the update. But the hardware revision is the same.

The reason the SD cards work for some people and not others is 'unknown' but it's generally recommended to do the Volume Down + Power Button + Camera button combo the first time you power on the device with the SD card installed.
[Focus General] PaullikesWINMO:
mine is same:

7.0.7008.0

2124.10.10.2

3.1.0.7

2124.10.10.2

0.0.0.3

4.12.0.8

0.36.2.0
[Focus General] SuperSport:
Yes, I would have thought the hardware revision would have been the difference. I guess some phones might have been built on a Monday and some on Wednesday. ;)

I've reset my phone and also used a couple different SD Cards, and each time, I use the three finger salute, it just works. I've stopped trying different cards since my Samsung one works though. But at some point, I would like to upgrade to a 32GB, because I keep adding more and more apps. Hopefully, Samsung and MS will get a list of compatible cards out before too long.
[Focus General] mKTank:
Indeed. Right now I'm just hyped for NoDo.

*checks Zune*

Aaaany second now... :cool: