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[Windows Phone 7 General] Pekpek Destroyer:
Mate, anything is better than nothing at this stage hahaha.

I know it's too early to expect that much from WP7 but then again in previous years almost every new OS that came out had at least a couple of IM options right away.

Let's see...
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
WP7 doesn't have support for sockets in 3rd party apps right now which is pretty crucial for IM clients.
[Windows Phone 7 General] qilong:
:confused: yes, very disappointed with WP7 that they didn't come with their own WLM and needed to use very buggy plus unstable Messenger by miyowa

hope Whatsapp, Beejive can come out with their IM on WP7 asap.

:)
[Windows Phone 7 General] The Gate Keeper:
They do have their own client... and it should be in the market place by now...

http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2010/09/30/messenger-and-msn-applications-coming-to-windows-phone-7/
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tom Servo:
I hope there's actually a first party UIX-based client coming. The MSN protocol supports multiple points of presence, so you could keep your phone and your home computer online simultaneously.
[Windows Phone 7 General] deadwrong03:
personally im waitin on cross talk and palringo hopefully palringo brings the option to automatically run as soon as the device powers on like it does on windows mobile 6.5
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Anything that doesn't require yet another account creation would be good, but I much prefer IM clients from the Vendor (i.e. Yahoo, AIM, WLM client from Yahoo, AOL, Microsoft).
[Windows Phone 7 General] The Gate Keeper:
technically this will never be the case with windows phone 7 as the start screen is the only thing that will show. However, in saying that, the makers of palringo can come up with a live tile which could automatically act like that, and then once you click the tile, it launches the application.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Ca5c4d3:
Messenger by Miyowa?

I am using this and it looks nice so far. MSN only (ofc)
[Windows Phone 7 General] deadwrong03:
i thought palringo was coming to wp7 they were one of the developers that had intentions on developing for wp7
[Windows Phone 7 General] ericc191:
Looks like IM+ is coming.

Souce
[Windows Phone 7 General] enak:
List of features/ function Windows Phone 7 is missing on release:

Call Log to show call duration

Independent media/ keypad/ ringtone/ notifcation volume controls

Haptic Feedback

Ability to set Silent from volume buttons (Only Vibrate/ Ring at present)

Preview pictures to attach to text message (Have to add first then view currently)

Option to delete all conversations from text messages

Text message delivery reports received as seperate message (should just show tick or cross next to message)

Option to repeat notifications (for example alert text every 5 minutes)

Forward on busy, forward on no answer, forward on unavailable in phone settings (Currently have to be set using network codes)

Confirmation to switch off (Quite easy to switch phone off by holding lock button)

Combined inbox for all emails

Notification LED options to flash for text/ email/ reminder (currently just missed calls

Advanced WiFi Options (Hidden Networks, static IPs)

Customise Start Screen background

Custom ring tones/ notification sounds

Filter in People Hub

Facebook Albums from friends in the Gallery

Purchased Apps/ Music list in the MarketPlace

Fast switching of settings e.g. WiFi/ Bluetooth

Option to keep screen on during charge

Option to hide contents of SMS in toast popup

Please comment
[Windows Phone 7 General] legoszm:
Regarding call forwarding, I believe you can achieve this by using codes in the phone dialer. I saw it in one of the tip documents (but I agree would be good to have in settings).
[Windows Phone 7 General] weepatc:
Call settings

I can confirm that the call forwarding options have to be set using the Network codes. Don't understand why you are not able to do this in the settings. Hopefully this will come with an update in the near future.
[Windows Phone 7 General] qilong:
- ringtones volume, media volume and games sound/music volume are the same, caused me missed the calls last night.

- no official WLM from microsoft
[Windows Phone 7 General] gir283:
No communicator/wlm is disappointing.
[Windows Phone 7 General] enjoythemusic:
Word is the WP7 does not yet support rSAP. This is very much needed for Bluetooth handsfree car usage. Especially important in Europe where you must BY LAW use handsfree phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] paulrockliffe:
Re delivery notifications; the problem is network dependent isn't it? I don't think each SMS is individually identifiable on the network. So if I send two text messages to one number and only one is delivered, which one would be marked delivered?

I don't think this feature is supported on any device?
[Windows Phone 7 General] chubnut:
Not sure on whether you can't identify which SMS gets through or not but I would have thought that each SMS would have pretty much have it's own UID and therefore could

Re delivery notifications though, you are spot on. It's carrier/network dependant. O2 have never supported/provided SMS delivery (although you can get a report from MMS which is odd). Phones do support reporting of message delivery though.
[Windows Phone 7 General] paulrockliffe:
Yeah, sorry that wasn't clear, phones do support the messages and some phones do treat them differently, eg my old Nokia 7210 flashes delivery notices on screen rather than just telling em I have a new message. But I don't think any phones can have an inbox that has a tick or a cross next to each message depending on whether it's been delivered because the messages don't have a UID. Happy to be corrected on that but with the SMS standard being as old as it is I don't think it's a given that each message has a unique ID.
[Windows Phone 7 General] LoNy1:
- no support for hidden wireless (personal and enterprise)!

- no real outlook sync....

- missing rotation features in some hubs e.g. the cam

- filtering option in contact-news

- maybe a gallery from facebook friends in pictures

- a second page for marketplace apps/hubs ?

like my htc trophy and its great for a 1.0 but i hope microsoft will update soon... f.e. on every Patchday ???
[Windows Phone 7 General] mictho100:
Here's my 5p worth:

- No Static IP's possible on WiFi

- I actually hate the Metro GUI or whatever they call it. I'd love to be able to completely change my homescreen

- No Desktop Background, only for locked screen. Goes hand in hand with the above

- Did I say I hate those squares?

I generally feel that this OS is a bit like Marmite. You either love it or you hate it. Nothing in between. Which is a bit crap. If it was more adjustable and customizable I would be happier. That's why I like Android.
[Windows Phone 7 General] enak:
I use a Parrot MKi9000 and it connects, downloads my address book (using OBEX) and I can voice dial. I can also control the media playback using the buttons on my handsfree kit.
[Windows Phone 7 General] enak:
Microsoft used Miyowa to develop Messenger for Windows Phone 7. You can download this from the MarketPlace.
[Windows Phone 7 General] enak:
Both Android and my Sony phones supported delivery notifications. The sony implementation was very good with a simple tick or cross next to the message. Android is a bit messy but does work on a per message basis. SMS messages include a header (much like an email) that you don't see on the phone and this contains all the information individually identifying the message.
[Windows Phone 7 General] enak:
What do you mean?

This is I believe by design. I don't think rotating the camera screen would be a good thing.

To filter what exactly?

I already get facebook, skydrive and others in the gallery!

What do you mean?
[Windows Phone 7 General] loomx:
My contacts went straight onto my cars radio through bluetooth, so your doing something wrong.

I would like to be able to go into my gallery and then select a facebook friend and view all their photos, or view all there photos from the peoples hub.

REALLY want to be able to set my own ringtone :(

Other than that, I am happy, wondering where the 50-60 xbox live games a launch went though.
[Windows Phone 7 General] The Gate Keeper:
haven't gotten my windows phone yet so can't help you there on first point. as for the second point, supposeably ringtones can be set by apps and are meant to become available in the market place, but i agree, i would prefer to be able to set mine rather than purchase.
[Windows Phone 7 General] AceofSpades25:
Anyone that claims they love this OS is either on the Microsoft payroll or they are deceiving themselves because they find it too difficult to face the realisation that they upgraded to something with fewer features than their old phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] AceofSpades25:
The most important thing this OS lacks: File management. Don't make me dig up those old threads!
[Windows Phone 7 General] LoNy1:
first outlook syncronisation:

the only way to have all your contacts, calender from outlook in your phone is trough an exchange or copying all into windows live.. no active sync until now

second filtering:

in facebook you have so much things you "like" and games... all those messages spamming your contact news... no chance to see only your friends messages from facebook.

third gallery:

In the gallery I only have a set of my Facebook pictures, but would be nice if there where also those of my friends

fourth second page:

I find you miss the overview of microsoft apps from the phone and those you are downloading from the market. If there were two seperate pages.. one phone 7 .. second downloaded apps, would help finding apps.
[Windows Phone 7 General] chubnut:
You can use exchange instead a) if your work open up the ports to allow it and/or b) if you go down a hosted exchange route as I have. you don't have to use Live for your contacts and calender.
[Windows Phone 7 General] chubnut:
A couple of things that are winding me up at the moment about it...

It's easy enough to get a nice long number of apps but it's a pain scrolling down the way you have to. What would be good is if we could create our own "hubs" or desktop type folders to put the different apps into. Or better still, the Marketplace could create them according to the categories they sit in on the Marketplace.

The other thing is the merging of data between the different versions of contacts. I found that there is info on Facebook that I don't have on Outlook and it would be nice if there was an optoion to update with missing info from a linked contact.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
- Static IPs on WiFi is a router issue, not a phone issue. The phones gets it's IP Address from the Router (i.e. DHCP server) when it connects to WiFi, so scratch that off. You set up you computer for a Static IP Address by telling the Router to Reserve and Assign a Specific IP Address to that Computer's MAC Address (from the Ethernet or WiFi Card). That has nothing to do with Windows Phone 7.

- Part of the issue with Android and Windows Mobile was the fact that people could muck around too much with the GUI. That's not a good thing. Not gonna happen.

You people seem to think support doesn't actually cost money, and considerably more money when the user experience is wildly different from device to device. Y'all think the entire world comes to XDA to hack their phones, instead of going into their carrier's store and having to wait forever while the people in the store "hunt" for settings/apps/etc. to get the device working correctly (or worse, just exchange the device out because they have no clue wtf they're doing and don't want to admit it to the customer).

This is especially true for phone support.

SupportEngineer: "Okay, click on X."

User: "I don't have X."

Support Engineer: "It should be <location>."

User: "Oh, I have Bionix 2012... Maybe that's why it's not there?"

SupportEngineer: "What's a Bionix 2012???"

- See above for the blocks complaint.

- Microsoft doesn't care, really. They aren't making you use it. I doubt converting diehard Android fanbois is on their list of top priorities. The holiday season is coming and people who want common-sense smartphones with a good/optimized OS and workflow will get WP7. Too bad Apple didn't get iOS on Verizon before Christmas season...

Use Android.

/sighs...

Microsoft launched ActiveSync for Windows Live. You can sync Mail, Calendar, Contacts, etc. from Windows Live using ActiveSync (Set Up like an Exhange account). Windows Phone 7 supports multiple ActiveSync Accounts concurrently.

There is no need for a Windows Live Mail. Such an Application would be a waste of Space and resources on you smartphone.

Windows Live for Windows Mobile was needed because ActiveSync for Windows Live wasn't even a thought back then and it wasn't until a couple years ago (if even that long) that Microsoft allowed non-Plus users to get their mail via POP3.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
If you hate it so much, why are you still trolling these threads?

I mean, from reading you post you certainly can't love it... I think my conclusion is pretty accurate, given that.

Less is sometimes more, as history has often proven (Linux vs. Windows, iOS vs. WinMo, carriers/manufacturers ripping features out of Android/WinMo, completely revamping WinMo/Android UI, etc.).
[Windows Phone 7 General] paulrockliffe:
Tasks.

Where are they?

Now, I know that Microsoft never really did a good job of Tasks in WM6.5, but they're not there at all in 7! I've tried three third party Apps for this, but non sync to my Exchange Account, where all my Tasks are.

What have MS got against Tasks and how can I manage my life in their absence?
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
My Tasks and recurring tasks synced fine from both Outlook and Exchange (OTA) in WM 6.5

Dunno how they didn't do a good job of that there.

But I stopped using tasks. I just use appointments and things of that nature for everything, and Windows Live can be setup to email you when it's nearing the due date/time (I think that's the default, Google does the same), so I never really relied on Tasks.

If you need Exchange/Outlook Tasks to manage your life you have larger issues than their absence in WP7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] enak:
This is the design of the platform, it sync's to the cloud so you need something in the cloud to sync to, be it exchange, Live, Google, etc.

I've just looked through my people hub and don't have any games or things showing. Do you mean the people hub or the facebook app? I agree a filter would be useful.

My friends facebook pictures show in the what's new but obviously not all of their albums.

Just pin the common apps to the start screen.
[Windows Phone 7 General] efjay:
Here's the problem with this. When the iphone launched, did it have all the features it has today and compared to the competition at that time? Same with android, how bad was it when it was first released on the G1? Did people love their devices when they got them, yes they certainly did. Were they lacking features of current devices, yes they certainly were. So why is it that with WP7 no one can like the OS for what it DOES offer, but are told by others ("power users") not to consider it because it lacks features, the exact same situation the current popular OS's were in when they launched?

Seems like the only ones deceiving themselves are those who are trying to suggest WP7 will never get better and there are only 2 accepted options to choose from when considering a smartphone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
You have no clue what you are talking about here
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
You don't have a valid argument.

The other two companies were NEVER in the mobile business before.
[Windows Phone 7 General] efjay:
And why does that make my statement invalid?
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Simple, MS was and is still in the mobile market. They're NOT starting from 0 in the mobile market. You say look at other Companies version 1, that argument is invalid. As those other companies were never in the mobile business. IFyou were to look at version 1.0 then you have to look at the year that it was released.
[Windows Phone 7 General] efjay:
Lets clarify what I was referring to. Someone posted that if anyone claimed to love WP7 they were either on MS's payroll or deceiving themselves. From that standpoint it doesnt make any difference whether MS has been in the mobile market prevously or if this was thier first attempt. So why does their previous presence in the mobile market preclude me from liking their new OS?
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
I never said anything about you liking or disliking the OS. I simply replied to your mentioning of other companies version 1.0.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Andrmgic:
For the static IP complaint, I believe these folks are referring to advanced network configuration where you can manually enter the IP address you want your phone to have along with subnet mask, etc. for a wifi network.

There are a limited number of scenarios in which this would be useful, and all of them are use cases in which "power users" who are used to having more control over their phones would be better served with another platform.

The average smartphone user doesn't need anything like that... their router has DHCP turned on and they have a very vague idea if any about what a subnet mask is or why they would need one..

To the people familiar with the feature set of Windows Phone 7, it should be apparent that Microsoft has abandoned complexity in favor of accessibility. Sadly, in their haste to get a stable release ready for the holiday season, there were some casualties along the way.. (copy/paste, background applications, etc.)

Microsoft wants a phone that doesn't scare your parents when they see the interface, they are going to treat the phone as a different animal than the computer. Windows mobile is dead... and Microsoft pulled the trigger.

If you want boundless customization, the little green Android is waiting with open arms.

Just my 2 cents..
[Windows Phone 7 General] The Gate Keeper:
agree with Andrmgic. They sacrified the ~5% of those who are tech savvy enough to know all the ins and outs, to offer something more approachable by the general public.

Though hopefully they introduce a lot more features back into windows phone to place it somewhere between iOS and Android, hopefully towards Android than iOS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Andrmgic:
I'm going to give up android next week when the HD 7 is available in the US..

I love android and I enjoy all of the possible customization.. but after a few weeks of playing with the device, I'm usually tinkered out and just want a device that performs well and has acceptable battery life.

I start tinkering again when someone puts out a new rom.. but once I get that one where I like the way it works and there's nothing majorly broken that annoys me, I just start using it like a standard device.

Sure, I'd like some more features.. and I'm sure that Microsoft is listening.. they may not put everything in, but they'll keep improving the platform.. I'd be more surprised if they didn't.

In all of the videos, WP7 just makes me think "wow.. that's really fast.. there's absolutely 0 interface lag.. I want this." (with the exception of the HTC tropy/vs Omnia video in app loading, that is..)

Looking forward to the journey.. and anything that makes me want to stray from Microsoft's new path in the future..
[Windows Phone 7 General] diego1985:
Thanks, you took the words right out of my mind, cosigned. I couldn't have said it to him any better.
[Windows Phone 7 General] paulrockliffe:
Sorry, regarding Tasks in WM6.5, they were there and you could filter them and mark them complete etc, which was fine. but it was always through a program that was under-developed compared with their email and calendar applications. The implementation was fine, but it was obvious that it was just a token gesture.

I don't want to set my Tasks as Appointments, that makes no sense at all as I wouldn't be able to see my actual appointments in the Calendar then, it would cripple the Calendar on the phone.

There are plenty of situations, mine included, where using Tasks in Outlook is a perfectly legitimate way of managing work. It's ideal for situations where you need to track Tasks, but you don't need huge amounts of detail or inter-dependencies. it's killer benefit was syncing with WM, which you can't do with MS Project etc. You can do some pretty good reports from Outlook too if you know what you're doing and categorise your Tasks with that in mind

Now Tasks don't even sync to the phone, so it's not just a case of there being a missing application. I've obviously lost the ability to have Task-based reminders on the phone, which is a total pain.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Jim Coleman:
Tasks is the app I use the most on my HD2 and I'm not looking forward to losing it when I get my Venue Pro.

I suppose I could visit the hotmail website on the phone and use the task list in there, it is already populated from my HD2. But that's going to be really clunky.

I'm sure hotmail has a web api that would allow someone to make an app for WP7 which simply syncs up with hotmail tasks. It can't be that hard. Until it happens I'll probably end up carrying my HD2 around as well as my Venue Pro, just for the task list!
[Windows Phone 7 General] Jim Coleman:
Just out of interest, where do these third party task apps sync to? Do they sync at all, or do you lose all your task data if you hard reset or lose your phone?
[Windows Phone 7 General] paulrockliffe:
I can't see any evidence that they sync anywhere, so would assume that they don't and that you would lose everything in the event of a hard reset.
[Windows Phone 7 General] feygor:
Missing features:

Any kind of customisable ringtones (even iphones can have ringtones, even if they try to make you pay extra for them)

Outlook sync with PC (again, every other device seems to do this these days)

Full rotation support (they keyboard is ever so slightly bigger in landscape, so why do you have to type most things in portrait mode, such as IE)

Some kind of file system (WP7 feels like we've went back into the 90s with the limited phone interface, its not a PDA anymore!)

backgrounds

a *real* GPS program (no bing maps does not count)

someway of switching between the multitasking programs (yes i know, January update, this still could have made it into the release)

In essence i'm not sure what WP7 has *added* from WM6, sure multiple exchange accounts, but I only need one, sure it's faster (ok i don't have a clever comeback for that, it is a lot faster) but it seems to have removed many many features...

I still love it though, makes me feel happy that it's been out 1 month and is already nearly as gud as an iphone, way to beat them at their own game!
[Windows Phone 7 General] shamreez:
But the simplest thing which MS did not include and which bugs me is in WP7 we are not able to receive any contact details from other phones via sms.. I tried sending a contact info using my Touch Diamond 2 and the sms did not arrive. Tried the same thing with one of my friends i-phone. The message did come but it just told that the message has some media and hence would not be displayed..

Dont know if it is a flaw or if I am missing something
[Windows Phone 7 General] paulf707:
Ringtones?

Even WP7 let you have custom ringtones if you are ready to pay for it just go to the market place pay and get your ringtones

I've searched on Zune Marketplace and can't find any ringtones - has anyone found any?

When I search I just find bands / songs with the word 'ringtone' in the title....

PaulF

HTC Mozart
[Windows Phone 7 General] arkatis:
I think Windows 7 is very disappointing.. I don't like it and i will not upgrade to it... I will make an exception though if XDA will make changes and customize it! ;)