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[Epic 4G General] bsutton:
never on my epic, but yes i saw it on my moment
[G2 and Desire Z General] chris.arney:
Is there a way to do WiFi calling and totally disable the cellular radio? I tried the instructions here to disable the radio:

hxxp://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=8993781&#post8993781

and it did just disable the cellular radio (WiFi still showed up as connected), but when I tried to make a call, it said "To place a call, first turn off Airplane mode." I'm about to leave the country, and I was waiting for this update so I could use my phone without the International roaming charges. This won't work if the phone registers with their cell towers.
[G2 and Desire Z General] tehtide:
Turn off Airplane mode and in the Wifi Calling app under settings or such, I don't have my phone with me at this moment, there is an option to select WiFi only calling. Right now I'm over in Ireland and this seems to work well.

It seems that the cell radio has to be enabled for WiFi calling to work. So Airplane mode can't be enabled.
[G2 and Desire Z General] dyndragon:
Can someone verify this? I am travelling overseas soon as well and would like to know if this works.

Thanks,
[G2 and Desire Z General] rurabe:
Do you have your sim in? Mine has an invalid sim error anyway, but I had given up on using it in europe since it seemed like the sim was a requirement.
[G2 and Desire Z General] cparekh:
I am not sure the wifi calling app will provide free international calling. The app requires that you register on a GSM network in order to make a wifi call. This is so it can deduct minutes. My guess is that you either must be on the TMO network or a network that has a roaming agreement with TMO. You are charged minutes for the call, but I am not sure whether you would be charged just regular minutes or roaming minutes if you use the phone on another network.
[G2 and Desire Z General] emwonktnoduoY:
You would think this should work, all it's doing is connecting to TMO for a connection via WiFi instead of cellular towers. Why would it care where you are in the world when connecting via the net?
[G2 and Desire Z General] cparekh:
I think it should work, but I think the OP was looking for free calling. My guess is that you will be charged regular roaming rates, or at least regular US rates using the wifi calling app.
[G2 and Desire Z General] chris.arney:
I'm not looking for free calling, but to be able to make wifi calls outside of the US without getting hit with roaming charges. Unless things have changed, if you turn on your phone outside the US (and you're a US customer) you get hit with a roaming charge, period. Then you have international roaming mins on top of that. With my Blackberry, I could turn the cellular radjo off, and UMA would register my SIM over wifi. I could make calls all day long and they would just count as regular mins. Is there a way to do this without switching back to my Blackberry?
[G2 and Desire Z General] emwonktnoduoY:
Sorry,

That is what I meant. I just can't imagine you would be charged roaming since you aren't really roaming. Using your standard minutes I can understand..
[G2 and Desire Z General] TheMan42:
You're still registering on someone elses network regardless. I'd think it'll still know you're roaming and still charge you that rate.
[G2 and Desire Z General] chris.arney:
No, you're not registering on someone else's cellular network. People do this with Blackberry UMA all the time. What it is, is your phone connecting to the internet, and passing the packets along to a T-Mobile server. From that point on, it's not any different than any other cell phone call. So you can be anywhere, since the internet in say, Antartica is the same internet in the US. And they don't charge for roaming. Again, Blackberry users do this all the time.
[G2 and Desire Z General] evelbug:
When you are overseas with t-mobile, you only get charged for calls, sms and data used (providing you have int'l roaming activated on your account) If you do not call or text and data roaming is turned off, there should be no charges unless you call.

I would assume that as long as you select wifi only in the wifi calling app, you shouldn't be hit with any roaming charges.

Something else to keep in mind is most of the hotels in europe in which I have stayed charge for internet access.
[G2 and Desire Z General] TyrannosaurusFencingChamp:
Why not call T-Mobile and ask...I bet they have an actual answer as opposed to internet speculation.
[G2 and Desire Z General] chris.arney:
I did call and ask. That's why I came here to ask you guys if you know of a way to turn the cellular radio off completely, and make UMA calls. The Tmo rep didn't know how to do that. Everyone I was able to get a hold of could only read off the scripts. No one had any experience with the G2 and UMA (not surprising). But what they were able to tell me is, if I turn my phone on, and I have a voicemail waiting for me, it'll send a voicemail notification to my phone, and I'll get charged for international roaming. If I have a text waiting for me, and I turn my phone on, I'll get hit with an international roaming charge. This all sucks because I went ahead and got my wife a G2 now instead of waiting for Christmas, because I thought we'd be able to make WiFi calls while we were traveling. I'm pretty sure they just thought, "oh, airplane mode! people shouldn't be making calls, so we'll block calls while in airplane mode!". Only problem is that the manual radio disable I read about gets detected as airplane mode. So for my situation, UMA calling is worthless! I guess we'll be sharing the blackberry next week.
[G2 and Desire Z General] cparekh:
Yup. I am experiencing the same thing. When I go in and type *#*#4636#*#*, I can disable the radio. Unfortunately, the wifi calling app cannot register on the TMO network and won't enable. Therefore, though I have wifi, I cannot use the calling app. I don't see a way around this, except maybe to set it to GSM only (which is what the wifi calling app does), and then you would not get charged for data roaming, only phone roaming.
[G2 and Desire Z General] SRed13:
Why not just use the skype app?

You can then call out on Wifi and it costs basically nothing, their intl' rates are so cheap. It will cost literally nothing if your wife also has the skype app on her phone.

Also, don't forget tikl or any of the dozens of mobile to mobile walky talkie apps which work over wifi. Get creative!
[G2 and Desire Z General] solace.discord:
app isn't UMA

because it has to register with the wireless network, the app isn't UMA like on a BlackBerry. I think it's a great concept, but it would be nice for everyone if it worked the way you are hoping.

just another way the company is "stickin it to ya"
[G2 and Desire Z General] chris.arney:
it doesn't have to register on the cellular network. that would completely defeat the purpose. I can go where there's no cellular coverage at all, and make calls. i've verified that this is possible. we have a complete dead zone at work. i've turned the phone off, turned it on in that area, enabled wifi calling, and made a call. if I turn airplane mode on for a second, it refuses to allow wifi calling. also, someone who lives in a rural area and doesn't have any coverage at all would never be able to use wifi calling. And that's the whole point of it! i don't know where people get this idea that it has to register on the cellular network? does anyone actually have proof otherwise? or is it just speculation?

I do agree that this is just a way for tmo to stick it to us!!

anyways, skype's out because my wife can't forward her number to a skype number. oh and the company who developed it is calling it UMA.
[G2 and Desire Z General] RavenZero:
Actually you can forward any number to a skype number if you have a skype-in number. I paid 30 dollars per year for a skype in number and I use skype for 99 percent of my calling on my G2 in combination with google voice. I have the hacked version of skype that works over 3G and it works great over wifi as well.
[G2 and Desire Z General] xculliber:
WiFi calling on UMA is not the same as SIP calling. Please do not expect WiFi calling to work in airplane mode as your headset... as has been said before must register with a tower.. wifi calling is like a signal enhancer. If you want sim free calling you may wanna investigate SIP. the best setup so far is Google voice + gizmo + a sip client.... I don't use sipdroid since I don't know why it needs my GPS location. But there you have it.
[G2 and Desire Z General] TyrannosaurusFencingChamp:
They gave you bad information. I checked the website just before I went to Jamaica last month and the website said incoming texts deduct from your bundle as they normally would, but if you respond you get hit with a charge. Also when my plane landed, a message popped up asking if I wanted to turn on international data roaming. It said fees would apply, but it at least gives you the option...something my friends Verizon phone didn't do.

To make calls internationally I used Sipgate. Look into voip programs you can run on your phone, a lot have free minutes included in a trial.
[G2 and Desire Z General] c_licious:
I asked customer service about that too since I'm about to take a trip to Europe. They said I would get charged international minutes even when using wireless calling because it will register the IP address as an international IP address and they would bill me accordingly.
[G2 and Desire Z General] solace.discord:
if it takes from your minutes and uses your tmobile phone number, it has to register to whatever cellular network is available.

it can't be UMA- Unlicensed Mobile Access, allowing you to make and receive calls and texts over WiFi. the lack of handoff from WiFi to cellular network also suggests that this is not UMA.

UMA on a BlackBerry is great, and you know how it works and what to expect from it. as for this app, if wanting to use this overseas, I would enable International services to the needed lines within your TMo account and ask to speak with an international roaming specialist at TMo to verify exactly how this works and what charges could be incurred. I'd also ask for this in writing, or understandable published documentation, that clearly outlines the information you are given, in case the rep is wrong and you get a giiinormous bill.

again, great concept.. but I'd rather have it in the hardware and know for sure, than this backwards application that doesn't do what people want it to. you're better off keeping your phone in airplane mode while overseas and connecting to WiFi for emails and IM services to stay in contact.

if I'm wrong on how UMA works, then please tell me so.. I love learning from my mistakes...
[G2 and Desire Z General] TyrannosaurusFencingChamp:
If you can't get a straight answer from T-Mobile your safest bet is to ask for your phones unlock code. It takes about 2-3 days to receive, and when your plane lands you can pick up a prepaid sim in the airport. That would be a lot cheaper than $2/min for each call you make.
[G2 and Desire Z General] oxyne:
In the Wi-Fi app you can choose Wi-Fi only. All your calls are gonna be through Wi-Fi. I didn't try it but it might work.

And it is true. I used my Blackberry many many times abroad with UMA without being charged roaming fees. Roaming fees = you register with a local carier. With my blackberry I used to turn the radio off in states and use only Wi-Fi. Always worked 100%.
[G2 and Desire Z General] chris.arney:
First off, thanks for the info on international roaming. It's apparently changed from a couple years ago when my friend accidentally left his cell radio on when traveling over seas. I'm not surprised I got an uninformed rep. That's why I usually call customer service a couple of times and ask the same question.

It does register with Tmo servers, but not cellular towers. I've verified that my G2 with no access to a cell tower still works. I go to a location in my office that I've never seen my phone get cellular access, and just to make sure, I put my G2 in an anti-static bag. The anti-static bag acts like a faraday cage. Turn my phone on with the bag sealed, and verify that it can still see the wifi network, but not the cellular network. Wait for a little while to make sure it never connects to a tower. (it never does.) At this point, my phone has verified that it has a valid SIM, and that it is connected to the tmo network. I then enable wifi calling, and have a friend call my phone. My phone rings. Therefore registering on tmo's network (not cell tower), and

everything

was routed through the wifi network. Therefore it has the capability to make wifi calls with the cellular radio disabled! That's solid proof that it's possible. Please don't reply again just to tell me that it has to connect to a tmo tower to use wifi calling.

With regard to the phone call hand off between UMA and cell towers, my Blackberry could never do that. Nor could any of my other friends with Blackberries. At the time, this frustrated me, so I actually looked into this, and unless things have changed in the past year, Blackberry can not transition a phone call from UMA to cell tower.
[G2 and Desire Z General] solace.discord:
what I'm saying is it shouldn't have to connect to a tmo tower to use wifi calling- and the software application used by the G2 for wifi calling seems to make it so you need to do something like that, or you wouldn't be liable for roaming or international charges. wish it would work the way everyone wants it to- but that's more hardware than software from what I understand of it.

I had no issue with any of my TMo BBs using UMA and handing off to cell tower when I left the wifi area. I did hear of several people not being able to do this though.
[G2 and Desire Z General] cparekh:
So, this all got me thinking and doing, and I think the best solution is going to be Google Voice + Gizmo5 + Sipdroid. It's all free and allows IP calling via Wifi / 4G / 3G / and even Edge (bad quality). It's all data, as far as I can tell, and Wifi would be completely unlimited calling.

1) Get a GV account

2) Get Gizmo5 account and register it as a phone in GV

3) Download SIPdroid to your phone and put in your Gizmo5 login.

4) Download the GV app to your phone.

This means when people call your GV number the phone rings, either via minutes if SIPdroid is off or for free is SIPdroid is on. If you call someone, they see your GV number, and minutes are deducted if SIPdroid is off and no minutes are deducted if SIPdroid is on.

Basically, it's wifi calling as WE intended it and not as T-Mobile implemented it. It only uses data, and does not count towards your cap, if you are on Wifi.
[G2 and Desire Z General] solace.discord:
that makes perfect sense.

I stand corrected.
[G2 and Desire Z General] JackTheMan18:
International Roaming - WiFi Calling

Quite an unusual app!

I put in my T-Mobile Sim card, attached via wifi, and enabled wifi calling via the T-Mobile App.

There are NO T-Mobile Towers anywhere (I am in Canada).

I can call overseas, and only use regular (prepaid) minutes.

A bargain!!!
[G2 and Desire Z General] romantashev:
AIRPLANE MODE to stay off after reboot ?

That is OK, but what will happen when you have to reboot? It automatically turn ON your radio after reboot. It wont stay OFF. Until you turn it off it might get some roaming attempts. Is there any way for that option (AIRPLANE MODE) to stay off after reboot?
[G2 and Desire Z General] romantashev:
That is OK, but what will happen when you have to reboot? It automatically turn ON your radio after reboot. It wont stay OFF. Until you turn it off it might get some roaming attempts. Is there any way for that option (AIRPLANE MODE) to stay off after reboot?
[G2 and Desire Z General] drd525:
This hasn't been an option since Nov. 2009, when Google acquired Gizmo5 and suspended new registrations and disabled call-in number assignment for existing users.

http://googlevoiceblog.blogspot.com/2009/11/google-welcomes-gizmo5.html

But, sipdroid+pbxes+GV is awesome.
[G2 and Desire Z General] dhkr123:
Something that most people seem to be missing... this "wifi calling" thing.... IS A SCAM!!!!

THEY STILL CHARGE YOU AS IF YOU WERE USING LOCAL NETWORK!!!!

This is a FRAUD that they are perpetrating in order to reduce the use of their network while continuing to charge as if you were still connected.

If you want free international calling, USE SIP!!!

As for the requirement that you be out of airplane mode... the radio gets turned off in airplane mode. That means that the SIM CARD IS POWERED DOWN. The sim card is used for authorization.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Finland_2_Cupertino:
Actually wifi calling works perfect over seas with out charging you for it.don't listen to this guy.
[G2 and Desire Z General] dhkr123:
Actually, no it doesn't. Even tmobile says so. IT EATS YOUR MINUTES AND POSSIBLY ROAMING.
[G2 and Desire Z General] tronmech:
Of course it uses plan minutes. While your cell radio may not be on tmo's network, your call still goes through their hardware on the way to its final destination. Get a grip, and a clue.
[G2 and Desire Z General] wutzin:
well, if you want to make calls through WiFi anyways, rather than paying T-Mobile for minutes, you might want to sign up for Google Voice, buy GrooveIP ($5) and you can make free calls from your phone over WiFi to all US/Canadian numbers. Plus international rates are pretty competitive.

The only downside is that your calls will show the Google Voice number rather than your habitual T-Mobile number.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Studio1b:
There is no additional monthly charge to use the Wi-Fi Calling feature on your handset.

Wi-Fi Calling uses monthly plan minutes for the following:

Calls made from the US to US numbers

Calls made from the US to international numbers (subject to international rates)

Calls made from outside the US to US numbers (not charged roaming)

Calls made from outside the US to international numbers (subject to international rates, but not charged roaming)

Note: You must disable Data Roaming when travelling internationally to avoid incurring data roaming charges.

link : http://support.t-mobile.com/docs/DOC-1680

so what that means is say your overseas connect to a wifi and then call a US number you will not be hit with any fees.

If you connect to wifi and your overseas and call a overseas number you will be hit with $$$

sounds right to me, so the trick is once u get overseas connect to a WIFI and only call US based #'s off that line.

If you need to call phone #'s that are local to you as your overseas go pick a payphone up and use that. Or get a sim card for a provider in the area u will be traveling to :)

I travel a bit and always have 2 methods of calling for free

VOIP info in my G2 or the WIFI calling other does not matter what one i use because its free :)

Its also worth it say if u go to a place that charges for WIFI say $5 us dollars hope on that **** and make 10 phone calls for 5 mins each and your way over the limit :P LOL $5 for 50 mins cant beat that with a stick.

WIFI calling and UMA are more or less the same thing

* i just checked my next trip and the area that im going to is $14 for 3 days for wifi so that means sweetness

if you did the math its $2.50+ per min outside the us to a us # on the GSM network roaming so u would get about 5 mins talk time on a carrier worthless. jump on a wifi and make free us to us calls all u want love wifi calling :)
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] blacksuntzu:
This is a great player but I wish it had a better way to organize play lists other then going through the native android system. I am having a problem with playing back music. When I get songs with a good bit of bass in them I get some distortion. I do not get the same when I use the native player or winamp. It happens with or without the EQ turned on but less with the EQ turned off. Anybody have any ideas why this would be. Maybe different audio codecs???

The distortion sounds like sssttt every time the bass would hit.

P.S. - I am running poweramp on the HTC EVO and these are unmodified Mp3 files I am running.
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] timothydonohue:
change the pre-amp
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] blacksuntzu:
tried that but have the same problem...that just seems to minimize the problem but it is still there.
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] adamfair:
Try turning of the tone buttom
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] t3project:
ditto.............sounds much better with it off
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dj_ghosie:
I'm not sure whether it's just me or also happening to others...

These couple of days I suddenly found that my hspda is on constantly and the area around the data modules becomes very hot and battery drained like crazy. I then installed data monitor and found that the downloaded data was like 3mbps yet uploaded was like 40mb! So I tried to install the installed program one by one, Angel realised that it seems like Ado e Air is the program responsible for it. Idk whether it's a bug, loophole or security fraud...

Please raise your hand if you encounter the same problem and hopefully someone who can solve this problem will take notice.

Cheers!
[myTouch 4G General] Legaleye3000:
I ordered mine early on 11/1 or 11/2. Mine still shows as "being processed." Just wondering if anyone elses is showing this, if they ordered through t-mobile.com (upgrade)??

Thanks
[myTouch 4G General] cstrausser:
Yes, mine has done the same thing. I have contacted customer service several times but they cannot tell me other than it hasn't shipped yet. I wonder if they are having problems with the website updating? I sure hope so. My confirmation email said the estimated delivery was today, and online it says 11/8. If it hasn't shipped yet, I don't see how they will make 11/8 with standard shipping. If you find anything out, let me know!
[myTouch 4G General] gaww:
Did you order with the express shipping? I did so yesterday AM, and it showed processing - waiting on shipment all day. This AM however, it has been shipped and is set for delivery tomorrow.
[myTouch 4G General] cstrausser:
No, I just did standard shipping. Did T-Mobile show the tracking online or did you get some kind of other notification that it shipped?
[myTouch 4G General] floepie:
I ordered around noon yesterday - express shipping. The UPS tracking number doesn't show an ETA yet, but shows "Ground" shipping. I hear T-Mo does this if UPS can guarantee that the "3-day Express Shipping" will be met. Living in NY has its merits, as Ground can happen in 1 day.
[myTouch 4G General] Legaleye3000:
I chose regular shipping on either 11/1 or 11/2 and its "still processing" with eta deliver date for 11/8, but in the email it said deliver date of today...
[myTouch 4G General] cstrausser:
Have you contacted customer service yet? I am curious if you get the same answer as me. If I don't have a package when I get home from work today, I will be talking to them again.
[myTouch 4G General] Legaleye3000:
Haven't called... Stuck at work all day. Hard to make phone calls....
[myTouch 4G General] VibrantOwnr:
i placed my order about 8 last night and mine is pending shipping. this may be due to the fact that i have express shipping? (offered free through retentions)
[myTouch 4G General] gaww:
It should be shipped soon with express shipping. I ordered on Wednesday AM and will get it tomorrow.
[myTouch 4G General] DarkAgent:
Mine is "pending shipping" -- I ordered early morning yesterday. It is set to be delivered 11/10 :mad: I thought they would ship out the phone the day I ordered, but apparently they take longer to ship out ground shipping orders.

(Ground shipping -- I was told express shipping could not guarantee the phone coming on Friday, but rather guarantee was for Monday.)
[myTouch 4G General] dafish69:
I ordered on the phone yesterday. Called 611 today and said order number, as I didn't have one. The recording came back and gave me a tracking #. Scanned this morning by UPS and due here on Monday.