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[EVO 4G General] shutupRoman:
trolllllllin...

honestly, im just poking fun at everyone saying "shut up" or "stop crying"

it is a free speech issue when you come to a forum to discuss a relative topic and someone says "dont say that"

whats the whole point of a forum? to discuss things with others also interested in the topic?

everyone has their opinions on each issues, why not be constructive and explain why you disagree rather than waste someones time by brushing off their opinion with a rude post.

post count, really? as if the amount of posts i've made in this forum has anything to do with the post i made.

hahaha..

well, if you want to really get into the 10 dollar thing..

69.99 w/out 4g??

it's not optional.. so, i dont see any reason to mention that at all. we're obviously talking about the 10 dollar premium data charge that is applied to ALL evo costumers with sprint.

explaining that other carriers are more expensive also has nothing to do with anything on this subject..

no where in my contract does it state that my premium data charge is actually for FUTURE USERS..

also, i never said the fee was outrageous. infact i dont think anyone is saying the amount is even the issue.. its the fact that there is an added fee for everyone, while it's not actually giving the same benefits to everyone..

as for the whole taxes thing..

i think you misread my statement or something... i just mentioned nobody likes to pay taxes on something they dont use/own in attempt to relate the fee and not receiving the reward.

obviously taxes have a purpose, thanks for the lesson on taxes! now if i were to be taxed on public transportation that wasnt available to me.. you might have a valid reason to post that...

really? you think i'll stop saying "im paying 10 dollars for no reason" when i finally have a reason? dang, you must be psychic..

anyways, thanks for the debate. ;)
[EVO 4G General] ghodzilla5150:
Agree 100%. I live in the IE as well (San Bernardino) and don't get 4g as well. Why should We the paying customers pay for others to have 4g and not US. I am paying for something I don't get to use and I would reckon that most Sprint customers who have an Evo/Epic to get to use as well. If Sprint was not ready to cover at least 75% of their area with 4g, maybe they should not be advertising 4g as a major part of the Evo. I would LOVE to have 4g and would not have an issue paying for it BUT here we are 5 months after launch and still NO 4g in my area even thou I have 3 Clearwire towers with a 10 mile radius of my house. Sprint is doing a horrible job of rolling out 4g to their PAYING customers.
[EVO 4G General] fachadick:
Point taken - and I agree 100%. God forbid you have an opinion outside the norm. There's no such thing as civil discourse or debate anymore. You either tow the line or shut the hell up. Except I still don't see it as a free speech issue - it's not like your posts are being deleted or anything. You just have to beware of the trolls who only see things in black and white, and don't post anything of substance.
[EVO 4G General] Brutal-Force:
No where in this "debate" did you make a relevant statement.

Poking fun is not a debate, nor is it relevant. And in a formal discussion is considered rude and obnoxious behavior.

I believe I was being very explanatory and constructive, and didn't brush off anyone. After all, YOU have the right to not use sprint regardless of how I feel.

Actually it IS optional. But since you chose the EVO you have opted to get the 4G and hence pay the $10. You could have elected to get a 3G phone, but did not. Again, that was YOUR choice.

It also doesn't say in your property tax that they will be spending it on toilet paper for public bathrooms, but guess what? That is also what your property tax does. If someone specifically has to outline what all of your money is going to, then I would recommend moving to the wilderness, because that is how adults conduct business, regardless of whether you like it or not.

I happen to work for public transportation and there are plenty of people who do not receive service. They have to petition the county to provide them with service, but how and when they will get it is up to the county. They first have to provide infrastructure before they can provide service. AND GUESS WHAT? YOU WILL STILL BE TAXED FOR IT!

I am done here, offer some valid arguments instead of crying like a 4 year-old. That is what is wrong with this country. The incessant whining with out actually DOING something about it. I would love for you to get me a $10 discount, but I do honestly believe that the EVO 4G fee (even if thats not what they call it) is well worth it to me.
[EVO 4G General] techiediva:
Well said!.... I totally agree!
[EVO 4G General] kybeck55:
i live in a non 4g area too but for the company as a whole $10 a month is great so i would rather ppl like you not complain about this when we have all other carriers going to tiered data which i dont feel like paying overcharge fees which i promise will be more then $10.... soon 4g will be in your area probably by the end of the year.. i am a broker for sprint and clearwire and other carriers but clearwire has not said anything to us so i think we are fine.. i dont have any proof but just common sense....
[EVO 4G General] kybeck55:
very well said couldnt have said it better myself
[EVO 4G General] latoso:
The $10 fee is for premium data. When i got my evo the rep told me that. I was with sprint than tmobile and cameback to sprint for the evo. It was my choice to buy the phone no body forced me to get the phone you dont like the fee get another phone. Sprint gives you choices you want top of the line phone is a $10 extra in your bill. I was paying $80 a month with tmobile but guest what you have to pay the phone full price. still Sprint is cheaper than the other companies plus you get yearly upgrades.
[EVO 4G General] shutupRoman:
i believe i've already said this:

how you feel has nothing to do with my right to use anything. i dont see how this is constructive at all. you have a trend of saying things not relative to this at all. :(

i do believe you contradict yourself well...

PS. again, with the taxes.. im not sure why you feel the need to discuss taxes or your job and toilet paper.. but thanks for the laughs.
[EVO 4G General] Brutal-Force:
So you will be leaving Sprint/evo/4G/$10 charge?
[EVO 4G General] scooter185:
First free speech only applies to the government. Second I have a better analogy. My town has rediculous taxes to make the school system better. Now, even if you don't have kids you still have to pay the same tax percentage, but it makes the town better for everyone.
[EVO 4G General] shutupRoman:
way to miss the entire point of my first post in this thread. i will continue to use my evo/sprint and obviously i will have to pay the 10 dollar premium data charge.

im mearly laughing at everyone telling people not to complain.. as if their opinions dont matter. this is a forum.. made to discuss things. closed minded posts saying "dont complain" or "your wrong" dont promote anything constructive.

please look at the original post of this thread. it's very easy to connect a premium data charge with clearwire job cuts. just because we all dont share the same opinion doesn't mean anyone is less valid or correct.
[EVO 4G General] method115:
Only people who had no idea about the $10 fee can really complain about it. Complaining when you already knew is pretty stupid. I knew about it when I ordered the phone and it's one of the reasons I didn't get it for my gf she doesn't need 4g. She doesn't even like how big my phone is anyways (until she wants to browse the web of course then shes asking me for it).
[EVO 4G General] Brutal-Force:
I never devalued your opinion. I simply stated that I think the EVO/4G is worth a $10 premium.

We are not close minded, but you have to keep one thing in mind. By a group of people banding together to get their way (in this case dropping the $10 fee) could result in tiered plans at Sprint which I definitely don't want.

I also do not want a pay as you go. I know your intent is just to not be charged the $10, but if you don't how else will the plans remain unlimited when any other carrier is capping theirs. If you would prefer Sprint be like "them" then keep lobbying for the $10 fee to disappear. Just don't be the same person later on to complain that your unlimited plan on your EVO is now limited. I think this is the point of people saying don't complain about it. It falls in line with the expression, "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth". Yes its $10, but look at what your getting for the same $10 other carriers are getting.
[EVO 4G General] krillik08:
I can personally say that clear is doing cutbacks. I live in the dfw area and I was a technician for them, they told us our jobs were secured indefinitely. The next week, clear let every technician in the dfw area go with no warning and told us the reason was cutbacks. They screwed us all right before the holidays. I never use 4g on my evo but as for price I don't really care I'm already saving a lot by being on sprint. All the people here that are complaining are typical humans. All wanting something for cheaper, always. People need to realize that what they are paying for is mainly equipment costs. Do you guys have any idea about the costs to put up 1 tower? Going through the fcc regulations, paying for equipment, having people to do the zoning not to mention paying rental fees on a tower. It takes about 40-60,000 to get one tower set up and monthly running costs is about 10,000 per tower. **** adds up when you have around 800 towers. Stop being complainers and deal with it, if you don't want to, then go to a different carrier its that simple.
[EVO 4G General] shutupRoman:
yeah, i'd much rather pay 10 dollars and keep data uncapped. i love sprints plans. i was one of the few who did not know of the 10 dollar add on until after i bought my phone. i got my phone at a radioshack, guess they failed to notify me then... even after, i just said 'that sucks, oh well'.. ive been a sprint customer for over 6 years now. been through bad and finally what i feel is the best option for me. 69.99 unlimited is insane.. its just a small annoyance that i can not take advantages of 4g or really unlimited data, for now... the 10 dollar add on doesnt directly effect me at all. at least there is a starbucks down the street with free wifi.. :)

it'll be worth it in the long run hopefully. i have faith that sprint/clearwire will figure something out and continue to roll out 4g into new areas.

although i might dislike the whole 10 dollar thing i go along with it.. even with a smile on my face.. :)
[EVO 4G General] :
Cry moar

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JK, that sucks man :(
[EVO 4G General] krillik08:
Hey asshole.

Lmao jerrrkkkk
[EVO 4G General] mallninja:
Uncapped? Not really. I'd say that 5GB a month is nowhere near "uncapped" or "unlimited". My home internet. Where I pay $50.00 a month regardless if I download 5MB or 5TB at break neck speeds. Thats unlimited and uncapped. This Sprint argument on premium data is lame. We want the phone? Yeah. We want 3G? Yup... Most of the buyers of the Evo live anywhere near 4G? Nope. Is Sprint raping us on our plans for what the average person downloads? Uhh... yeah.

Are they falsly advertising it? yes they are...

Better yet... Are we paying it????? duh... yeah... why? because it's an Evo, thats why...

If you (not the OP) dont want to pay the $10.00 a month to have a phone that make the iPhone look like a baby rattle, then cancel your plan and move over to the "nation's fastest 3G network" (insert "Ice Man" scene from Top Gun when Mavrick's explaining his Inverted 4g negative dive).

Do I have an Evo.... Hell yeah I do. It's a panty dropping iPhone eater. (ever wonder why they call it the "i" phone? They built the thing for idiots and called it "user friendly"). It took off light the plague in the 1400's and has become every bit as deadly.

Anyway got to shower for work.
[EVO 4G General] NewZJ:
there is no 5gb cap in handset data.

knowledge its half the battle :)
[EVO 4G General] fachadick:
This

Sent from my blah blah blah blah
[EVO 4G General] josh995:
Wow am I the only one who doesn't care about 4G at all? I live in a 3G only area and I could care less about the $10 fee. I pay 80 bucks a month for basically unlimited everything...(except landlines of course) a similar plan on Verizon costs $120!! Sprint could say "hey look at Verizon... they're charging that much, we should too." Then what would all of you complaining about the fee do?

Sent from my HTC EVO 4G.
[EVO 4G General] rockky:
A Few twists of info... sucks

Sprint & Clearwire feelin' the heat.

http://wirelessweek.com/Articles/2010/11/Technology-Sprint-Clearwire-Feel-Heat-Wireless-Networks/
[EVO 4G General] o0RaidR0o:
I don't mine paying the extra $10 fee, what I do mine, and infuriates me is why do I have to pay an extra $30 just hotspot my EVO. That is completely BS and draconian if you ask me. Some folks have said because it eats into the their MiFi market, but I also say BS to that. The MiFi is its own stand alone appliance, for which you pay $30 data fee. My phone is already the appliance and I already have a 3g data plan for which I'm paying for and on top of the that the $10 4g fee, that's $40 out the gate for data alone, and now sprint expects me to an additional $30 dollars just to hotspot? What do they think that I'm going to operate a mobile wifi cafe?
[EVO 4G General] fastfed:
You realize you, me and everyone on this board probably accounts for 1% of the population that went out and bought this phone.. Right??

That being said, I still love this phone.. BUT the EVO and EPIC are being sold as 4G phones.. And you need to pay the additional 10 bucks a month for just those two!

the 99% of people that bought these phones, were getting them based on "what can you do with your 4G"

Trust me, sprint will not allow this situation to halt any progress with getting new area's up and running with 4G..

Think what you want but there would be mass complaints, lawsuits, bashing if they don't get 4G up and running.. At a minimum in the areas that are populated..
[EVO 4G General] BrianDigital:
That's why u r here root it and use android native tethering app
[EVO 4G General] shutupRoman:
that's all humans.. not just complainers or people on this forum. who doesn't want anything and/or everything cheaper. thats common sense. thank you for pointing out that if sprint offered their services for 20 dollars a month we'd all take advantage of it.

joking aside, i doubt anyone is really upset over it being 10 dollars.. its simply the fact we are told its for something we cannot take advantage of. if you were charged a 10 dollar "5g premium data plan", told it wasn't available in your area yet and no one would know when it was, you wouldn't be thrilled to pay it either.

if sprint expects more data to be used with this phone and therefor includes a premium data charge, its very reasonable to expect to have that data available or at least have an ETA.

"sprint is already cheap, who cares if they want to make you spend more."

is verizon charging for future use of data? if they do, they will eventually have complainants just as much..

thank you.
[EVO 4G General] indagroove:
Anyone see this yet?:

http://www.fiercewireless.com/story...olesale-revenues-wimax-smartphones/2010-11-10
[EVO 4G General] tdusen:
If Sprint doesn't have to pay Clear for those not using 4G, then we shouldn't have to pay Sprint for the same reason. I can't wait to see the outcome.
[EVO 4G General] indagroove:
Agreed.

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[EVO 4G General] dallashigh:
I don't have a problem with the $10 fee, but I still find it extremely ironic that Sprint is complaining about having to pay Clear for unused 4G...
[EVO 4G General] backdown:
Don't buy the damn phone/sell it. Quit *****ing about the 10$ fee that you knew about before signing the contract.
[EVO 4G General] indagroove:
just because I knew about it doesn't mean I have to like it.
[EVO 4G General] nomecone:
how about opt out of 4g so u can say u dont want to use it. and then when u feel like getting 4g/it becomes available in your local area you add it to ur plan.
[EVO 4G General] jay24k:
I'm confused on why they can't disable it. Our sprint rep told us the 4g aircards are subject now to a 10 dollar fee IF you want to use it. They have to enable the 4g on it which is 10 per month otherwise it will not work.

So if they can do this, why can't they do it on our evo's that don't have the service.
[EVO 4G General] dallashigh:
The 4G aircards are the same price as the 3G ones. $59.99/mo. Now, they do have a 4G-only plan that is $49.99.. saving $10 by dropping 3G.
[EVO 4G General] crypt0kiddie:
And I'm REALLY tried of all these people who say the fee is "no big deal" when some of us live in a market where we have no 4G and probably will not have it any time soon.

For people like me, we are paying a "Fee to own a cool phone" and if more people would ***** about it, Sprint MIGHT do something about it.

That said, I actually got about $200 dollars in credits so it evened out in the end but still.
[EVO 4G General] fastfed:
People are *****ing about it.. There are only a few of us, but thousands of other out there that have a "4G" phone..

They are *****ing about it as we speak :)

Problem seems to be much deeper now, I just read an article how Clear is in major danger and Sprint owning 54% of them.. They're taking a major loss.
[EVO 4G General] Gazelli:
Yes the fee should apply to you. You are receiving unlimited data, right?
[EVO 4G General] fastfed:
LOL WHAT??? The 10.00 IS NOT for unlimited data... Other phones have unlimited data and they don't pay the 10.00 bucks..

I don't understand how anyone could debate what the 10.00 bucks is for.

ITS FOR 4G service.. Let them call it a Garbage fee, a Premium fee, whatever the F they want to call it.. Bottom line, its for 4G!!
[EVO 4G General] indagroove:
what they call unlimited data on other phones really includes a 5 gigabyte monthly cap on bandwidth. the 10 dollar premium data fee lifts this cap.
[EVO 4G General] fastfed:
Actually thats not 100% correct.. They will also cap you with these phones.. Well you get a phone call (like I did) "letting" me know I have a high bandwith usage for this month..

And where on sprints site does it say that? Since everyone who loves to say "Its written a certain way, it does not says its for 4G"

You know, since we believe everything that's written down for us.. The other phones say "UNLIMITED DATA" just like our Evo's..

Actually the plans are written as a complete copy..

Whatever, we're all in the same boat, I just know that the average person who bought the Epic or Evo, knows that they are paying 10 bucks extra for 4G.. What other phones do they charge 10 bucks extra, what other phones do 4G?
[EVO 4G General] NewZJ:
There is no 5gb cap on data, please dont spread false myth
[EVO 4G General] indagroove:
This certainly infers that there is indeed a 5GB cap, which is lifted by the $10 premium data fee:
[EVO 4G General] NewZJ:
it doesnt state there is a cap, it is refering to competetors caps on data, you can see quite clearly just above the 10$ fee explaination where it says Data usage is unlimited while on 3g or 4g sprint data network.

it also says best 3g network experience as a bullet point there too, are you assuming without paying the 10$ you get "not the best 3g network experience"?

omg!!! it even says unlimited on the BILL!
[EVO 4G General] indagroove:
I'm willing to admit that I may be wrong, but before I ever had any premium data plan, I always thought there was some 5GB cap on data which showed on my bill. Maybe it was just some urban myth that I ended up believing..

If that's the case, then it does indeed seem that the only real perk you get with the premium data plan is 4G, which sadly isn't available in my area yet.
[EVO 4G General] ohiojoe:
I feel you pain about not living in a 4G market, as I too was a bit infuriated to pay the $10 monthly fee *just* to have the phone. But then I realized it was not so much a

4G fee, but an over-all "you'll use the Internet WAY more than your previous Sprint device with this phone" fee. Which was SOOO true for me. I realized this when I *used to* come home from work using my Touch Pro all day, then open my laptop to get to social and admistrative things I needed to get to. After I got my EVO, I realized 3 weeks later I didn't once open my laptop. Basically, my EVO does 90% of everything I want to do on the Internet, whereas my Touch Pro did about 40%. I realize that is just my personal case study, but I'd bet a lot of EVO users use the Internet on their EVO's a lot more than with their previous device.

And then, after accepting this fee, Sprint has "covertly" rolled out 4G in Columbus, Ohio where I live, and I get upwards of 10Mb/s down in various parts of the city, and it's mysteriously capped at 3.6Mb/s in other parts of the city at various points in the day. But, it is not official, so they aren't trying to deliver stability or consistency yet. Nonetheless, the whole point I wanted to make is that while it was a blast using my speedtest.net app to clock the amazing speeds to my cell phone, I don't really use it for *any*thing since almost nothing I do on a regualr basis needs that kind of speed, and while I would turn it on for standard web browsing "just for the hell of it, why not?", I can't run 4G and GPS at the same time even with it charging without there being a net loss of battery juice. And forget about adding in bluetooth. So, 4G is super fast, and great for when I *am* downloading something large to my phone, but the scarcity of need for it and the battery drain means I won't use it but at rare times.

But again, I do use the Interenet on my EVO a sh*t ton more than I did with my prior devices, which I used the Internet a LOT on those legacy devices as well, including wi-fi tethering, and I haven't even taken full advantage of that on my EVO yet.

EVO 2.2 Rooted OMJ.
[EVO 4G General] thetakara:
If you aren't on the EVO or the EPIC, there is a 5 GB cap on 3G. That is standard across all carriers. Except maybe some palm devices on Verizon if I heard right.
[EVO 4G General] NewZJ:
go to settings, call turn on ddt, all calls will be routed to voicemail and wont get you bumped off 3g
[EVO 4G General] d12bn:
Wrong

I live in Lake Charles La and we don't even have 3G, we have 1xrt/2g and no hope of 4G. I have several friends with EVO's and I've been in the local Sprint store and looked at the EVO myself.

If we had 3G in town maybe I would feel better about the $10 fee but with the service we have now there is no way I would pay $10 more for 4G or as Sprint employees tell me because the EVO stays on line more than my so called 3g phone.

Sprint sucks in Louisiana and just waiting for my contract to end so I can go
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] fester1957:
friends i have a htc kaiser in boot mode, i need test service rom for this htc.

thanks