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[Vibrant General] presence06:
flash.. So effin what.

FFC, overrated.

Froyo, I want this as much as the next person that doesn't make MT4G soooo much better.

HSPA+ I don't live in a 4G, or 3G area so this means diddly poo to me and I could care less if it's 3G or 4G.
[Vibrant General] Kubernetes:
Dude, that's totally uncalled for. Everyone buys their phones for their personal needs. If the OP needs or wants a flash, who are you to tell him he's wrong?

I agree these threads are pointless, but there's no reason to disparage him because he wants a flash.
[Vibrant General] presence06:
I'm done. Its stupid. ^^^ I understand that. You like the features that the mt4g has so go for it. Don't tell us. We don't care.

I was just annoyed with the flash part Like flash is the one thing people buy phones for...
[Vibrant General] rsfaze:
guess what.. you bought a smart PHONE not a camera. Why is it people think there smart phone should replace other electronics. I should won't be giving up my SLR camera just because my phone is capable of taking pictures.

Ditch the phone do it.. as you can see from previous posts no one gives 2 ****s :)
[Vibrant General] pajinki:
Seriously? Not at the OP, but to most the people who replied.

A. This is a vibrant community, if you do not want to deal with the people it encompasses, then you need to leave.

B. Some people need assurance in a phone but obviously you guys are more into yourselves than anything.

C. If you don't like a subject, then don't reply. Thats like complaining your fat but your sitting there with a bag of McDonald's cheeseburgers.

D. I too feel like i'm going to switch to the MT4G because I actually have a use for FFC, Flash, and a few other features. Plus I feel like Samsung bit off more than can chew yet again and are really slow with the updates.

E. Some people have better things to do than run around with a camera and a phone at the same time. Now I'm not saying im going sightseeing with my phone or anything. But I've been in plently of situations at bars and parties where flash would have been really nice.

So you complain about relivence but at the sametime your posting reasons why you do not want the MT4G. Then you post about you not even having 3G like that should affect everybody's opinion. I mean, do you really even read your posts before you submit them? Or do you just always shove your foot up your mouth after you stepped in crap?

I'm not trying to start a flame war but this is how things start. People posting in places they shouldn't be. If it is relevent or you do not like the subject. Then just do not reply. It's simple. I promise, it's really easy to do.

Thats all I have to say about that.
[Vibrant General] engineer14:
Switch, Quick and dont look back
[Vibrant General] zcline:
Probably a poor decision to start this thread but it's here and I made the mistake of reading it...

It's unreal how the OP is being treated because they want more features on their device. It wasn't very long ago when we all carried laptops and phones, now many of us are able to live without the laptop because of our phones' new features. Same applies to cameras, books, portable dvd players, etc.

For those of you who are too short sided and can't remember those days, I hope you are not involved in the future R&D of our electronic devices. :-)

As for a flash at night or even during the day, nothing replaces a reak flash besides perfect light and a superior lens. Night mode on the Vibrant only works if the subject is completely still. Some new phones with a flash can certainly replace point and shoots that are only a few years old. I would say, go to a tmobile store and try it out. I think they even have a 15 or 30 day return if you can afford to buy one without a contract.

Regardless of what your opinion is on the subject, dont be an a$$hole. If you dont want to help the OP and are unwilling to contribute, well, you know what to do.
[Vibrant General] KerryG:
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion even if all of your opinions are wrong

A good friend of mine upgraded to the iPhone4 stating that FFC was one of the single biggest reasons for getting it. He has made 2 Facetime calls because he doesn't have anyone to call with it. Yet, he still says its an important feature to him. Its HIS opinion and he is entitled to it. I personally have no desire for video chat, again...my opinion.

Flash on these cameras....to me....is pretty pointless. As a photographer the light is horrible, its right next to the lens which will give you red eye almost every time. It also isn't flash, its just a freaking LED so it is useless past about a foot or so. Again...MY opinion.

Froyo....so what...enough to switch phones? For ME, no. I have Bionix Fusion and I bet its hell and gone faster than the stock Froyo will be. JIT can kiss my butt, I bet Fusion today will still run circles around it....Flash 10.1...ehh...whatever, doesn't bother not to have it....again...MY opinion.

HSPA+....really? depending on my location I have had up to 5mbit, what the hell would I do with faster speeds besides hit my throttle cap faster? Do YOU have a need for faster speeds? Maybe...I dont.

Do I give a rat fart if you want to switch for whatever reasons you have....no...I am only posting to reply to other people who are saying one person's reasoning is wrong. We all have our own needs and requirements. To each his own...Flame the OP for posting his intentions that nobody cares about but flaming him for his opinions is pointless.
[Vibrant General] Feyo65:
you said "diddly poo" bahahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!
[Vibrant General] player4lifeov:
Look, don't get me wrong I love the vibrant but because it doesn't have features that I would normally use I'm thinking about switching. There are many things that froyo brings to the table that I would definitely use. I know how good this phone is. I'm running bionix final with team Whiskeys kernel and the phone flies. Again though, there are certain features I wish they would have included. I'm not trying to knock down the phone in any way. All the features I previously stated are things that I would normally use.
[Vibrant General] KerryG:
Get whatever it is you feel you need but what irks people is that you felt the need to start a thread and share it with everyone for seemingly no reason. Did you think that a few hundred people would be able to sleep better tonight knowing that the Vibrant...which we choose to keep...doesn't fit your requirements? Its only worse because you bought the phone knowing that it didn't have those features.
[Vibrant General] presence06:
"We couldn't do...diddly poo on offense...playoffs? Playoffs?"
[Vibrant General] player4lifeov:
The main reason I posted was to see what people would say and to see if anyone made a good point as to why I Should stay with my Vibrant. It's a really tough call for me, hence my post.
[Vibrant General] Gigamaster89:
A majority of the users here are Vibrant **** riders so don't be too surprised by the responses.
[Vibrant General] nearblack:
beautifully said, and very true.

Overall, these two phones are both extremely capable, but honestly the mytouch does beat it out.

The only thing that the Vibrant has over the mytouch is it's screen (which is a bit excessive imo), and the GPU (which has no use at this point).
[Vibrant General] larryvand:
I looked at the MT4G and its 3.8" LCD screen and the Vibrant's Super AMOLED 4" screen blows it away in an instant. And I use my smartphone's screen more than I use any other feature. So I want a super bright awesome screen. And that's the 4" Super AMOLED Vibrant's screen. As far as Froyo, by the end of November, the Vibrant will have Froyo. FFC and flash are not features of use or importance to me. I use my 12.1 megapixel Panasonic Lumix DMC-ZS7 with the most incredible & vastly superior Leica DC Vario-Elmar wide angle/telephoto lens, it's 12x optical zoom, it's awesome camera & HD video software and flash that no smartphone could ever match. If pictures truly matter to you you will use a camera like the ZS7 when pictures matter. The phone camera is fine for non-special events. But when you want to capture important photos of a lifetime that you will cherise forever you will use a camera like the ZS7. No smartphone camera has yet been invented to replace a camera like the ZS7. End of story.
[Vibrant General] corys00:
There's pluses and minuses to every phone, just be sure you're happy in your decision.
[Vibrant General] heygrl:
Highly unimpressed with the myTouch I just tried out. It was really laggy, for no apparent reason.
[Vibrant General] presence06:
Really? Heard differently in reviews..
[Vibrant General] heygrl:
Yes really, it was very choppy. It was running a LWP.
[Vibrant General] player4lifeov:
Same here, I've heard nothing but great reviews from all angles. Its said to be the best all around phone, not particularly great at one thing but sort of like a Jack of all trades.
[Vibrant General] presence06:
They said that about the Vibrant though didn't they? And look where that went lol.
[Vibrant General] f1restarter:
There's a whole thread about the MT4g having lag issues. I have noticed lag on the MT4G as well. Also the screen sensitivity/response is not as good as the Vibrant. I also noticed the webpage scrolling was jerky on the MT4G. Maybe it's due to the bloat ware.
[Vibrant General] presence06:
It's sad that smartphones, particularly Android has been subject to the Crapware add-ons that Dell and HP are known for. Just give us the OS, do what you want to it but don't add crapware to the system. Should just put it into the Market and put a price on it. I don't use anything other than Avatar that came with the Vibrant. I know some do or have used the Media Hub, but I've heard its all older movies =/ I'd rather download/rip movies and put them on my SD card when I want to watch something.
[Vibrant General] ionic7:
I can take pics just fine in bars with night mode you are just a bad shot
[Vibrant General] 30Glock:
You make an excellent point, Although I have already ordered the MT4G I am having buyers remorse and I have not yet received the unit. The MT4G took 1 step foward with the hardware, And a giant step back with this display.
[Vibrant General] presence06:
That sucks. You still got 14 days to return it. Maybe worth playing around with for a few days.
[Vibrant General] anilo:
OP might be doing a wise move since HTC is generally quicker to upgrade their phones to the new Android version than Samsung. Gingerbread (2.3) is at the door and Honeycomb (3.0) is in the near future. Who knows how much frustration we (Vibrant owners) will have waiting to be upgraded via official OTA. Not saying MT4G will be upgraded instantly since it took HTC/T-Mobile a good 8 months to upgrade the original MyTouch to 2.2 (reason for my ownership of a Vibrant). The carriers are slowing things up but, in my opinion, HTC is making less mistakes with their software/hardware and a bit faster adapting new upgrades than Sammy.

My 2 cents
[Vibrant General] demize!:
Rampant

Is your phone Loki? Use Odin. You'll be Thor!
[Vibrant General] barmanham:
Things that would make me switch if I had the money.

GPS is still screwed my number #1 reason the accuracy not the locks

Plasticy feel to battery cover. It makes noise is what i mean pressed a certain way

RFS File system - Not so much big deal the phone is pretty damn good with lagfix

No Flash for camera

Love hate with the form factor

Just to name a few things that come to mind.Its really the GPS thing that makes me wanna switch.But at the same time Vibrant has its strong points.Number #1 being the display for sure can't think of anymore things but I know there is.
[Vibrant General] player4lifeov:
Now I'm a bad shot, can you not just admit that the lack of flash for the Camera is annoying. At least to me. There's no way you can take a decent picture with no light around. Last time I checked the phone didn't come with night vision just night mode
[Vibrant General] Cheeze[iT]:
I'm in the same boat, comparing the two. My vibrant, after flashing bionix and OC and what not definately flys... poor gps really hurts me since I rely on my phone for gps. Camera flash? that is a definately a plus for me, not for the pictures, but for the times where I don't have a flash light and need a light (more often than you think, for me at least) I like the idea of rooting and removing the bloatware but i'd survive after a while. The more I play with the mt4g, the more im leaning towards it, now I just got to find a different keyboard, i don't care too much for swype.
[Vibrant General] Tarzanman:
The Mytouch looks like a solid phone. I don't blame you for wanting something with an LED flash that is video-phone capable.

I will be upgrading next year to a gingerbread or ice-cream phone for those features.

The Vibrant will become a back-up phone or a media player.
[Vibrant General] player4lifeov:
I was very hesitant when I bought the vibrant. It didn't have everything I wanted but I couldn't help myself. I figured I can do without the flash, ffc, and no 2.2 but after some time, it started to frustrate me. Then there's the issue with the GPS which doesn't help my case. Plus this is a general forum ;-) I wanted to hear people's opinions to be quite honest
[Vibrant General] pajinki:
Here is my question to those who tried the MT4G in the store... Did you restart the phone and use it? Or did you just pick it up after people screwed with the phone for hours doing different things?

I'm sure that would make a pretty big difference. When I tried it, it was much faster than my vibrant felt out of the box.
[Vibrant General] larryvand:
Given the crapware that's on the MT4G I think it will be in the same boat as us. Maybe companies like Samsung and HTC could release very quickly just a stock image of the phone for a new version 2.3, 3.0 etc... and wait for the crapware version later for those that want it. But I'm sure the carriers would not want to see that happen.
[Vibrant General] pajinki:
Money drives the world, nothing we can do about it.
[Vibrant General] DADDYDC650:
Vibrant would be perfect if...

It had a front facing camera and flash! I can live without those features though. Especially considering that I only paid 50 bucks for my Vibrant. Amazing phone! =)
[Vibrant General] pittphan:
I did it. I got the MT4G.

I just couldn't get the vibrant battery to work for a full day, so I had to make a move. I am happy so far.

I will be selling my Vibrant with FFC installed. PM me if anyone needs a Vibrant.
[Vibrant General] Hexmaster93:
Alright i'm gonna try to answer this without laughing.

1. If u don't see this, you have a problem. The mytouch looks like sh*t i mean seriously its a bulky phone that looks like it came from toys r us.

2. Screen- vibrant has the best screen, hands down, and on a touch screen phone the screen is an integral part.

3. CPU/GPU The hummingbird on the vibrant is the best processor out, don't let quadrant scores mislead you (fyi i get 2680 on my vibrant, better than the g2 or mytouch and it's still on 2.1) The adreno 205 gpu is nowhere near as good as the vibrant's gpu

4. FFC overrated and useless, honestly my friend's have an evo and i4 and they said they used video chat once just for fun.

5. i will give the mytouch props for flash, but your buying a phone not camera

6. Froyo is also nice but the vibrant will get it soon

7. GPS was never faulty in my experience and plus sombionix's roms really make this phone godly.

In conclusion buy what makes you happy, however when it comes down to the essentials the vibrant wins.

Honestly though, the mytouch is really ugly and i could not get past that.
[Vibrant General] allthrottle:
I'll admit, I was a little envious of the g2 when it's released was officially announced. I mean, I just bought one vibrant using an upgrade and another for my wife at full price and here comes a newer android device with more features. I've come to the realization though that I'll either have to 1: sell my vibrant and buy whatever newest android device is out, and keep with that trend every time a new device it's released 2: leave android altogether, since they can't stop releasing devices long enough for any to get decent support, or 3: be happy with my vibrant, which may not have all of the features of some phones, but is still very much competitive hardware wise.

The vibrant was built with great hardware and will be a decent phone for awhile. It may not be the greatest at the beginning of 2011, but it'll be good for awhile.

Sent from my Team Whiskey Powered Vibrant
[Vibrant General] player4lifeov:
This is one of the best responses I've gotten so far
[Vibrant General] PolishDude:
I thought that until I saw one in person, the build quality is light years ahead of the vibrant and the black us sexy, sold the vibrant and got a mt4g
[Vibrant General] heygrl:
The screen will always be inferior as it is WAY below the Vibrant's. Don't fool yourself.

Secondly HTC build quality is iffy. It feels good at first, come back in 3 months. The G2 already had problems out of the gate that will get worse as the time goes on. The HTC Evo 4G had and has various quality and build issues, some of them being design flaws. It feels nice though! Don't confuse feel for build quality.
[Vibrant General] blasian shadows:
agreed. the evo had that raised glass problem, and the g2 has that crappy hinge problem
[Vibrant General] N8ter:
If the user doesn't care to root his phone and hack it up with lag fixes, etc., then yes... The MyTouch has a much better stock experience than the Vibrant. I played with the G2, MyTouch4G and HD7 in a T-Mobile store last night (was in there playing around about 1.5 hours). Vibrant performance is utter **** compared to those phones.

ROM Hopping and constantly hacking/restoring the phone to make sure OTAs/Updates don't break it is too much for for people who use their phones to get real work done and don't feel like dealing with that crap.

Yahoo has Video Chat for Android Now so you don't even have to bother with creating yet another account for another service (like Qik, Fring) but you'll be able to chat with users on PC and Android phones if you have a Yahoo ID.

And for the record the G2 takes way better pictures than that one posted above. Either that's a pathetic attempt at trolling or the poster completely fails at using the phone, because I tested the camera on all of those phones last night. Even the HD2 takes better pictures and its camera is nothing to write home about.
[Vibrant General] N8ter:
This is a terrible base for comparison. Please don't use FaceTime as a comparison when there is Yahoo! with Video Chat on Android which can interface with people on PCs and Android handsets (and probably WP7 soon as well).
[Vibrant General] N8ter:
I used it extensively in a T-Mobile store. That poster is probably lying. That phone was not laggy at all, unless it was a bad/buggy unit in that store.
[Vibrant General] kamasi36:
Finally, a voice of reason. Samshitty does not compare to HTC. Myt4g GPU is slightly better than the hummingbird IMO. (debatable) The bottom line rest with Samshitty. Their record speaks for itself. The only thing the Vibrant has going for it is the screen. You have to hack the **** out of the phone to get it to run right. The Evil got higher quads using snap turbo and is slow as hell. So, don't be fooled by the Quads. When you think of Android, HTC is the marker. Nexus, DINC, Evo, Desire, MYT4G and the flagship first android phone, the G1. Samshitty is true to form, giving it to their customers up the butt is their dominant theme.
[Vibrant General] blasian shadows:
true but imo the only thing that brings the vibrant down,is that ****ty touch wiz, and that rfs file system. now imagine if any galaxy s phone was complete stock, vs the mt4g or g2. samsung must not suck to bad if they are "supposedly" making the nexus s/2
[Vibrant General] kamasi36:
Yeah that's is bull**** too. You keep waiting on it. I bet dollar to a dime that will never happen.The fact is, Samshitty implemented the lag with the rfs bull****. Not to mention you can't even customize that piece of plastic ****. The vibrant is a piece of **** period!!
[Vibrant General] blasian shadows:
lol im fine with my vibrant
[Vibrant General] kamasi36:
Haven't you heard don't feed a troll. For real though. It is all good. A couple people did a drive by on our forum from here and i'm just responding in kind. With that said i'm a kick rocks now. Enjoy your phone.
[Vibrant General] heygrl:
LOL@ you preaching about having to hack the phone up to get it running right. I've flashed roms, I keep coming back to STOCK JI6 because it's the smoothest and has the LEAST amount of problems. The myTouch 4G isn't worlds better, it's a different phone. I tried it and I didn't like it. I have no problem admitting when I like a phone better than what I have now. If I did I would be purchasing it with no caveats. For that same reason I'm purchasing a MOTOROLA DEFY. I love that phone and my Vibrant. The myTouch 4G does nothing for me and others agree with me, and vise versa. You're in the wrong forum if you're looking for a bunch of people to stroke you off and tell you how much better this phone isn't.

And yes the phone was obviously lagging it up all over the place. I've already stated that it was the second myTouch that I've seen and the first one that was so laggy.
[Vibrant General] f1restarter:
Not to mention the poor sound quality as reported by many on the MT4G forum. I am up for a free upgrade and now I'm thinking about going the Windows 7 way since I found the MT4G to be a bit laggy when compared to my Vibrant. Vibrant's screen response is way better than the MT4G plus going from a big screen to a smaller one would really suck as well.
[Vibrant General] Kubernetes:
Here's my thinking about this: what do you use more, the screen or the ffc/flash?

Don't know about you, but my screen gets more use than any other component. The Vibrant has super AMOLED, Gorilla Glass, and the best digitizer you can find on an Android phone.

HTC generally puts pretty crappy cameras in their phones. You can see that pretty clearly in comparisons between the Epic and the Evo. The Epic beats the snot out of the Evo despite "only" being 5 megapixel. And if you really want a flash in your smartphone, you should get a Nokia N8 (w/ xenon flash) because LED flash is *barely* adequate as any kind of real solution. Better than nothing, but you're kidding yourself if you think one or two LEDs will turn your smartphone into a real P&S replacement.

As for FFC, not sure what to say about that. If you know you're going to use it because you have friends and family with FFCs, then I guess you need the MT4G. In my case, I'd only be using it as a mirror because no one I regularly talk to has one or uses one.
[Captivate Themes and Apps] RDI:
I just got in a 16 GB microSD class 10 card. I am looking for a way to see if the faster (class=10 is 10MB/s) card can be taken advantage of (or Noticed) by my Captivate. Does anybody know of a Android Flash Speed Test ?

We have been asked to Distribute these to our ReSellers and Direct End-Users. We are looking at an End-User cost of $ 69.95 /1+ Dealer Inquires Welcome
[Android Apps and Games] kiltedthrower:
Not sure if this is where this goes. I know there was a Justice League icons thread. Are there any other superhero icons out for download?
[Android Apps and Games] jolenemae21:
I saw some XMen ones over at Deviant Art
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] copo123:
I give this error when i flashing my sgs.. please save my phoneee

E:failure at line 79:

copy_dir PACKAGE:data DATA:

Installation aborted
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] nazrazr:
before this the problem is bcoz of the Soundhog app...so i deinstalled it and now everything was going ok and abled to upgrade to JM1........now i try to to connect with the kies..the MTB application keep blinking but the phone do connect with the Kies but when try to upgrade it said that my phone is in used and need to try again later.....i have delete some apps that i recently dwld but the problem is still the same...keep blinking...anyone has any idea to solve this...really eager to upgrade to Froyo but not sure is it already for the germany!!!