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[Vibrant General] KerryG:
Well I happened to be in a TMO store today (got my son the LG Optimus T) and not one of the reps there had any freaking clue and all three of them had Vibrants in their pockets. So if the TMO reps who actually use the phone and want updates themselves are saying they have no info, then this is the one time I actually believe them.
[Vibrant General] anthonys2r:
The reps do not know anything at all. I remember about 3 weeks ago, I asked one at the mall (offical kiosk, not a reseller) if he knew t-mobile was going to come out with a cheap data plan like AT&T and he said he had no idea. Well, t-mobile has come out with a tiered data plan and just reinforces the fact that t-mobile reps know absolutely NOTHING. Their guess is as good as yours and mine.
[Vibrant General] Five0nIt:
Your might be talking about this guy...

http://androidforums.com/samsung-vibrant/212243-update-coming.html

As much as i dont want too I can wait for 2.2. when it comes it comes.
[EVO 4G General] rockky:
http://wirelessweek.com/Articles/2010/11/Technology-Sprint-Clearwire-Feel-Heat-Wireless-Networks/Clearwire announced big cutbacks in personell and their projected rollout plan today.

Not a good outlook for Wimax based products methinks.

What? Was the Clearwire CEO lying out his ass and week or so ago?
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Wont affect us hopefully
[EVO 4G General] mbaseball3:
Evo is still awesome. And honestly, I don't even use 4g that much.

Sent from my Evo
[EVO 4G General] Skrypt:
Hopefully this setback will cause Sprint to rethink the premium data fee.
[EVO 4G General] neodorian:
Why? You want your 3g to go back to a capped plan right as Sprint is the last to offer unlimited? Even at $10 more it's a cheaper unlimted uncapped 3g plan than any of the capped plans on other carriers. Paying more sucks but like taxes, it is necessary if you want infrastructure improvement. They can't keep charging less than all the rest, losing subs, and still expect to improve service. This way only us power users who need unlimited data and access to Wimax networks pay the $10 and not your mom who just wants to make calls and maybe a text or two.
[EVO 4G General] rejectedkid:
I live in a non 4g market. Should the fee apply to me. I think not.
[EVO 4G General] casual864:
Where is the source?
[EVO 4G General] HiDefinition:
I'm really about tired of all these people *****ing about the $10 fee.
[EVO 4G General] HiDefinition:
So what's to say you travel to a city with 4G... you're not gonna use it? Be honest with youself.
[EVO 4G General] NewZJ:
I will pay the fee without hesitation. I live in an area with no 4g, but it's nearby and I travel to locations with it for short times randomly, but I justify the cost with the fact that I have the best phone available and that I have ever had or anybody else has and have the best service provider and also that everybody else its still more expensive and offers less.

yes its an added cost that others don't pay, but overall I wouldn't turn away a great thing because a small fee.
[EVO 4G General] wingzfan:
Engadget

.

Just read this and its not good. Basically its gonna force sprint to dump more money into keeping clear funded and sprints only option to recoup that money is to raise rates.

Sent from me using my keyboard
[EVO 4G General] jdh10475:
You chose to get the Evo knowing that is was $10 more. Sprint does not sell the Evo in non 4G markets so you had to go outside the market to get the phone or order it from somewhere. That is like buying an SUV than *****ing because it has a big gas consuming motor. Also how do you think that the 4G markets are going to be built.. for free?
[EVO 4G General] looneylu:
I bought my evo in June when it came out. Providence still didn't have 4g. We just got it mid September... so Sprint does sell the evo to non 4g markets... but even with the fee, it offers more for less than the other carriers
[EVO 4G General] gratefultyler:
what are you talking about? im not even close to a 4g area and every Sprint store has them (or was sold out for months). odd statement. data to back up your statement?
[EVO 4G General] backdown:
They sell it outside 4g markets..the closest one i have near me is like..2-3 hours away, and that one isnt even official yet.
[EVO 4G General] alero:
Here we go again....

Funny how every thread can turn in to the whining thread.

"Did you see number 10 run that kickoff back for a touchdown?"

"10! Don't get me started on 10! That's the ridiculous amount of dollars Sprint makes me pay when.......blah blah blah."
[EVO 4G General] Crotchety:
And you expect someone to actually care what you're tired of?
[EVO 4G General] Crotchety:
You clearly have no clue what you're talking about. Sprint sells the EVO in every market, 4G or not. In fact, most of their markets are non-4G.
[EVO 4G General] GaryJ51:
i LOVE THESE THREADS!

I think I did one about a week ago. I'm ready for another round.

By the way, how long does your battery last? :p
[EVO 4G General] bluefire808:
omg... really all you cheap asses who complain about the $10. are you that poor? how do you think 4g towers and software geys to your area? it takes trucks and man power to expand into new areas. geeez come on. grow a pair between your legs and use your heads
[EVO 4G General] jxr94:
I think what he was trying to say is that sprint doesn't sell the evo in 4g markets exclusively and you'd have to go out of your way to buy one if you wanted it.
[EVO 4G General] wingzfan:
Its not about being cheap or poor. Would you spend $10 on sirius radio if it wasnt available but your car has a stereo that will work with it? I personally dont care about the $10 because I wanted this phone and knew the fee was there so I chose to accept that however I do get the point that some of us, myself included, are shelling out $120 a year for a service we dont get. Now with Clears recent issues it could be an extremely long time before my area ever sees it.
[EVO 4G General] hercules rockefeller:
Don't know if I agree with that. I've not got any inside knowledge or anything, but in my mind the success of the EVO and Epic is only good news. Sprint's gaining customers on the CDMA and WiMax networks. For the first time in years sprint's porting in more lines to CDMA than they're porting out. The only part of Sprint's business that's losing customers is iDEN, and they're working on ways to make the iDEN network more cost effective (by essentially running an iDEN signal off of a CDMA tower and merging all of the backhaul operations together) and Wimax is much more spectrally efficient than either CDMA or iDEN, so the more Wimax devices they sell, the more revenue they get and the lower the long term costs (handset subsidies are another story, but those are shorter-term issues) so all that adds up to more money to spend on 4G, even if rates aren't rased.
[EVO 4G General] shaunneutron:
You are way off on this one. I live in Charleston, SC and got my Evo here on launch day. 4g doesn't exist in this state and won't this year. The only areas with 4g near me would be Atlanta, GA and Raleigh, NC.

Also, with the $10 fee, are people really still having a problem with this? I mean come on, that is like 1.5-2 Starbucks drinks. Its probably what most people spend on lunch in a day. If you don't like it, I have a really nice used Moto Q with box and manuals that I will sell you :D
[EVO 4G General] rejectedkid:
I personally do not care that I'm paying ten bucks more but they should have to option to only charge you if enable 4g. If you never use it you shouldn't pay for it. Same goes for calls and texts if you do not use your minutes you should get them back or they should be credited to your account.
[EVO 4G General] drmacinyasha:
This I have to agree with. One of the things I actually liked about AT&T was the rollover minutes. Normally I use less than 200 minutes per month, but there's always that exception.

And on a similar note, WiMax should be treated like International Roaming; if I'm not leaving the country, why would I pay for that service every month? If there's no WiMax within 200 miles of me, why should I be paying for it each month? It makes no sense!

--Swyped from my Snappified EVO!
[EVO 4G General] caguirr4:
this is a funny topic. on one hand you have the people complaining about the $10 dollar fee saying i don't even live in a 4g area why should i pay. then you got the guys saying heck its only $10 who cares. then theres the guys bashing on the guys who dont live in a 4g area saying you knew about the $10 fee why did you get it if you are going to complain. seriously who gives a flying f*&k. if you dont like the $10 charge drop sprint and go to... i dont know at&t with their tiered plans and 2gb caps. quit complaining about something that will not change. and from what i understand the $10 charge is not for the 4g but for the removal of the data caps from sprints network. :)
[EVO 4G General] scooter185:
it's $120 a year. I make that much money on my Sunday shift each week.

That $10 is helping sprint funthe building of new 4G towers, so if you weren't paying it then it would take even longer for you to get 4G.
[EVO 4G General] youngkalico:
Yea big rethink

Yea They Gon Have To Remove That Fee Off are Bills N Throw Something In For Free Or Something Or Try Working Bring On The Phone & Internet Same time Without Useing WiFI :cool:
[EVO 4G General] youngkalico:
Very True

True Indeed But Its Half And Half Cause U Pay For Better 3g Speeds N 4g I Mean $10 Isnt Really Nothing I Mean The EVO Is Still The **** So I Mean Its Kool Tho
[EVO 4G General] tgruendler:
What the f**k!!!!!!!
[EVO 4G General] Jbcarrera:
+1 i was thinking the same thing
[EVO 4G General] ms79723:
ahhh hahhahah I read your comment before I read what you quoted, read your comment again and started giggling

Thanks for the giggles :D
[EVO 4G General] Genjinaro:
Ditto.........
[EVO 4G General] bigredgman:
I agree 110%. I live in an area that is not covered by 4G. I'm hoping someday it is, but for now I'm perfectly happy with having a super phone that does everything I ask it (within reason) and doesn't stall, give me attitude, or say, "sorry sir you need to pay for that option."

I'll gladly pay the extra $10 ($20 my wife has the EVO as well, her's is still in prison by sprint and she won't let me break it out for fear that it'll get caught and put back in prison) to be able to do anything I want. I was in the LA area for some business and decided to see what all the hubbub was about 4G, turned it on...wasn't all that great but it worked in a pinch when I tethered it to my laptop to check my email for work.

I like just like Sprint but I LOVE my EVO with MikFroyo on it.

PS if anyone has any other suggestions of some must have apps I'm all ears. I'm currently running MikFroyo with LauncherProPlus, and ROMManager. But I'm open to suggestions.
[EVO 4G General] JUST2SUAVE:
Phone in prison?
[EVO 4G General] tdusen:
Why should I pay for Sprint's future development? Business doesn't work that way. They build something I want, and then I chose to pay for it.

I agreed to pay for it, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. I have 4 EVO's on a family plan. $480/ year is a lot to just throw away.
[EVO 4G General] xHausx:
wow man, that took forever to figure out and I can usually read leet speak like its nothing.

They cant do that because the phone and internet use the same line, so you can only have one or the other.
[EVO 4G General] Blitzpwnage:
Please please please not another "explainthefee" threads. I beg of you. :rolleyes:
[EVO 4G General] stroths:
Did Sprint change their standpoint on what the premium data fee was for? Originally it had nothing to do with 4g and was because of the amount of data the Evo uses compared to other Sprint phones.
[EVO 4G General] JUST2SUAVE:
They were going broke, came out with a killer phone and add a mandatory fee, bam, back in the black
[EVO 4G General] tdusen:
LOL, that's the best reason I've heard.
[EVO 4G General] Rally187:
we had it in my area for a couple of days dont know if they were testing or what but it really didnt impress all that much i mean yea its fast but 3gs not slow (for me anyway) but i mean who knows might not have been full strength... idk. im fine with 3g
[EVO 4G General] indagroove:
I was willing to commit to the $10 per month for the Evo, but I'm not happy about it because there is no 4G in my area except for a small spot about 40 miles from me. Still, if the $10 per month means nothing to you, please go ahead and donate that "nothing" fee of $120 to me, and I will feel better about it.

That's what they say, but I think we know it's all BS.

I was able to pick it up at the Sprint Dev conference last week, although it didn't work in the same spot two days before the conference. Coincidence?? I think not. The speed was impressively fast however. Once it is brought to my area in 6 months or so, I won't care about the fee, but I really hate having to pay for something I can't use. BTW, I live about 40 miles from Google headquarters.
[EVO 4G General] ghodzilla5150:
I called Sprint on Monday asking when my area was going to get 4G. I was told by a technician that there were no plans for the immediate future even thou there are 3 clearwire towers within a 10 mile radius of my house. I told them I was tired of paying for something I won't be using. Long story short, I received a $40 credit and 1 month of free service ($160) because I threatened to cancel and goto Verizon when Lte goes live. I want Voice & Data at the same time. They basically paid the $10 fee for the life of the. Wife also has an Evo and daughter a Moment
[EVO 4G General] Saltwater Hero:
I was unhappy about paying the extra 10$ a month at first but now I don't think it is such a big deal and I do now understand that the fee is not just for 4g but becasue our phones use so much data just in general that the 10$ is necessary.
[EVO 4G General] indagroove:
Perhaps I'm missing something here, but how do they use any more data than non-4G Android phones?
[EVO 4G General] ghodzilla5150:
Exactly. How does this phone use more data than my daughters Samsung Moment. I think that excuse is a load of Bs. They both use the network and can both get to there internet
[EVO 4G General] xHausx:
Well they have to start charging the fee sometime and it's kind of late to do it after you've signed the contracts for the phone. It looks like they are adding it on all new android phones.
[EVO 4G General] ghodzilla5150:
So your telling me that the Evo uses more 1's & 0's than non 4g phones. I highly doubt that.
[EVO 4G General] indagroove:
Where have you seen it added to new non-4G android phones? They could easily make it an optional feature, just like the wifi hotspot, so I don't buy that argument.
[EVO 4G General] indagroove:
Here is the official reason Sprint gave me for the $10 charge:

..and my response:
[EVO 4G General] ghodzilla5150:
I feel the same way as you. That's why I called and threatened to cancel. They then gave me the credit. They know they are ripping off customers
[EVO 4G General] xHausx:
I honestly haven't paid that much attention to their new droid line up, if they aren't then ya that wouldn't apply
[EVO 4G General] indagroove:
They only apply the $10 fee to 4G phones, but the fee "isn't for 4G". Um, sure -- right.
[EVO 4G General] jhgti:
agree when you paid $$$ for your evo you know that don't ***** now !!
[EVO 4G General] nugzo:
I cant wait for the Nexus 2 or whatever it is gonna be named to hit next week with gingerbread. I've been sick ever since i sold me Nexus and had to pay sprints outrageous prices. Not that the nexus is better than the evo, but the carrier is so much better.Tmobile is 79.99, no contract unlimited everything if you buy the phone outright, or 99.99 unlimited everything with 2 yr contract. Please tell me how sprint is cheaper than that? My sprint bill is a lot higher than my tmobile was. I got those prices off their site a few minutes ago, they appear to be the exact same as when i had my N1. Not to mention i live in a t-mobile 4g area and not a sprint 4g area. So next week i'l be selling my evo. Or maybe i'll turn it in to a universal remote like i did my iphone. Thats one expensive remote!

Edit: As far as i know t-mobile is the only carrrier that gives you a better price for non contract service. Normally it's been the same price either way. Sprint told me i couldnt get a no contract plan with them, even if i bought the phone outright. Probably just a dumb employee but thats what i was told.
[EVO 4G General] JUST2SUAVE:
T-mobile coverage sucks ass
[EVO 4G General] martyzidek:
Depends where you live or where u travel.. sprint here is worse than any cell phone company for coverage. Us cell I have 4 bars at home. Evi with sprint, dropped calls and never one bar.. slower internet speeds than I had with us cellular at home. If it wasn't for the airwave id be right back with us.cell or at&t for the g2.. also my bill is 98+ a month with the 69.99 plan. Id buy t-3 g2 outright and get the 79.99 plan...
[EVO 4G General] nugzo:
Sorry it sucks ass for you, but for me it is better than sprint. I never dropped a call ever with tmobile, dropped multiple times with sprint (fayetteville NC) The good thing is that tmobiles 4g is alive and kicking here and i here great things about it. Still have no idea when sprint 4g will be here. For me, T-Mobile is the right choice. Especially when it comes with a bad ass google phone with a 1.2ghz night fury. i mean um snapdragon. WiFi calling is pretty nice to have too....just in case :) no need for a separate airwave
[EVO 4G General] jameshines212:
Methinks we have a troll on here
[EVO 4G General] xHausx:
If that works for you great, I don't blame you if Sprint's coverage is that poor in your area. Thing is when the 4G standard is finalized and Sprint's phones get the firmware upgrade for true 4G you'll still be stuck on a 3.5G network.
[EVO 4G General] akastixx:
I only got my evo for the 4g. My bill is almost double, and my minutes are halved. Still worth it. If I were not in a 4g area, I would have just kept my touch pro with 2.2 or sold it to get a used tp2, but a fee is a fee. It's probably not going to change. Don't buy an evo if it's that big a deal.
[EVO 4G General] brownhornet:
If you dont want to pay the $10 just go back to a windows phone... or switch to another carrier and pay more. Problem solved.
[EVO 4G General] fachadick:
for people comparing rates to tmobile - for their unlimited minutes plan, it looks like you only get unlimited minutes as long as you're on their network (from their website)

Whenever Minutes®

Whenever Minutes are minutes that can be used at any time and anywhere on T-Mobile's nationwide network

so if you place/recieve a call while registering on someone elses tower, goodbye plan minutes.

They also only give m2m for other tmobile customers - sprint is unlimited calling to any cell carrier.

I'm also wondering why this;

T-Mobile Android Unlimited Web

For people who love having the Web and e-mail at their fingertips. Includes unlimited Web access and unlimited personal e-mail.

is shown as an optional service to be added once you pick a plan and phone. Do they charge extra for android?

edit - they also throttle you after 5gb.
[EVO 4G General] Brutal-Force:
Being an Ex-Tmo customer, I only have good things to say about T-mo. But unfortunately they got caught resting on their laurels and then tried playing the iPhone/AT&T game with the Nexus One.

I think the Nexus One would have kept me with T-mo if they would have offered it with a plan discount, but between Jan-June of last year they were clueless. If you removed the Nexus One from the equation (due to the fact it wasn't offered on a plan) Then realistically, they didn't have any good phones between the G1 and the Garmin Phone (laff!). This was the straw that broke the camel's back.

Now they finally offered the Nexus One for existing plan members, and then bring a slew of new phones to the line up. Unfortunately I feel that none of their phones measure up to the Droid X or EVO. AT&T has iPhone, Verizon has Droid X, Sprint has the EVO. All of them have a Galaxy S variant which many (not all) feel is inferior. The best Tmo could do was last years phone, the Nexus One and a locked down Desire?

I just think Tmo's Timing is off. They were the direct competitor to the iphone with the G1 for 2 years, and now they are in a lull. As for whether HSPA or Wimax/LTE will be the future? I think like anything it is a big gamble. So far, 4G seems to be ahead, but like anything, that can change really quickly. Additionally Sprint's plans EVEN WITH THE $10 Add-on, is still better than any other carrier's.

I may revisit T-mo in the future if Wimax doesn't pan out, but I am more inclined to think I will be using 4G/Wimax exclusively and can say bye bye to Time Warner and save another $49.99.

Thats my 2¢.
[EVO 4G General] shutupRoman:
it seems free speech means nothing.

personally, i dislike having to pay an extra 10 dollars a month but i continue to do so because i enjoy my phone. i live in the inland empire of southern california.. i wont be seeing 4g for a while... i would have to drive 2 hours to LA to catch spotty 4g if i really wanted it that bad.

my 3g service is actually pretty horrible at my home.. download speeds are very low.. so im not using more data...

so i am paying 10 dollars a month to "spread 4g" to places outside of my area.. and unlimited data means nothing when it takes 30 minutes to download 1 mp3..

if you get more than that and pay 10 bucks, why do you feel you have the right to tell me not to speak my mind?.. this thread is so close minded..

i understand that having multiple threads being taken over by this topic is irritating... but people are not debating that here.. they are just blindly saying "stop crying. just because you dont reap any of the benefits at all...."

nobody likes to be taxed for something they dont have..

so, you're welcome for your 4g service that i've contributed to.
[EVO 4G General] fachadick:
You're right in that all of these threads end up with people just saying shut up and pay the fee, but a free speech issue? People are free to give their opinions, and other people are free to tell to those people to shut up. They're rude and unhlepful, and those statements bring nothing to the table, but it's not a free speech issue.
[EVO 4G General] Brutal-Force:
shutup (and I am not referring to your name).

If your a first time adopter of ANYTHING, then you are paying to bring it to the masses. Its the price of being #1. With that said, if you want to make this about free speech, then take your 11 posts and work on your free speech.

The fee is important for FUTURE USERS. The fee is NOT outrageous. It is WORTH the $10 otherwise no one would be paying it. Quit looking at it as $10, look at your plan as $69.99 w/o the 4G and $79.99 with the 4G. Other carriers like T-mo Costs $79.99 as well, and you don't see people complaining about that. In fact, they have been that expensive for the past 2-3 years (I know because I come from T-mo, In fact IT WAS $99.99) and guess what? I WAS PAYING FOR FUTURE USERS. I never complained once. Now teh intarwebs are cheaper and I am happier for it.

P.S. If you in fact pay taxes, such as sales tax or taxes on your house, then you ARE also paying for things you might not be using. For example, public transportation and public parks and recreation. Thats the whole point of tax, to spread the costs of doing business on the masses so that no single person is left paying for it. Otherwise, it would never get done because a single person could not afford it.

When 4G finally gets to you, you will shutup (and I am not referring to your name).