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[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] lafaya:
I returned my Galaxy S...waiting on a new one. The problem? GPS was crap! I think all first Gen Galaxys have this problem unfortunately.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] gnowak84:
Hi, When do you expect to get it back and tell if its any better?
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] dirk1978:
I think a bunch must have been faulty. I've got an early i9000 and the GPS has always been fine since JM1 new and all the Froyos:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?ie...95272957205427.000490a10b58cd60875c3&t=h&z=12

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?ie...95272957205427.00048e90cbfdaa5645684&t=h&z=14
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] dutchcow:
I wonder if Samsung will do something about this GPS crap. I did not spend a ton of money on a high end device to get GPS performance that is far worse than any phone I owned.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] jaapschaap:
Mini works grate on JPO,

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=U....65176,4.816904&spn=0.018381,0.05506&t=h&z=15

Recorded the same road twice (had to pick up somebody) so you can see it work pretty good :)

So i went from work to a friends house, to the supermarket, and then to the adres i was invited to eat :D
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] Ladduro:
How did you track the road ?
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] jaapschaap:
My Tracks

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[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] ed10000:
Although mine is far from perfect on XWJPA, it's usable at least.

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=205100572600903759280.000493fb69d2c71925165
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] Rawat:
Hmmm, my GPS performance has been consistently crap. I have a 16GB SGS from Carphone warehouse which was I think part of the first batch.

EDIT: Oooooh, I've got an idea. A friend has an Orange UK SGS, and I've got the older one. I'm going to update his to JPO now that there's a 3br fix for efused phones too. I'll do a mytracks test concurrently on both :)

EDIT 2: If there's a noticeable difference, I'm sending mine back to Samsung :( ;) :mad:

EDIT 3: If you're wondering, that's my depiction of mixed emotions ^_^
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] Mycorrhiza:
I get the feeling that the gps hardware is just crap.

At the given price with the given features, the Galaxy S seemed too good to be true... Lags and the worst gps I have ever encountered prove that it was.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] dakine:
Some definitely seem a lot worse then others. I've been getting very good tracks since jpm with some very strange but also rare hiccups. Mounting mine properly is crucial though if its not completely under the windscreen the reception is crap.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] Fornowagain:
JPO seems fine on mine, did three stop/starts. Locks in seconds, tracks just fine.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] danamoult:
That definitely looks very clean...

Sigh the fact that some SGS's work perfectly and some SGS's just...are **** while on the same firmwares proves to me that it's a hardware problem with some batches. It probably means that those of us that have faulty GPS's are stuck with it forever.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] dirk1978:
But you get a 2yr warranty from Samsung? If your GPS doesn't work, just send it back.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] KMino:
Not to call anyone dumb, but we are placing it on the dash near the windshield?

On JPM now using CoPilot, haven't had any issues that where not my fault or from the environment. Issues are, doesn't work on lap while driving, looses placement when driving through tunnels, or cut out sections of road through hills etc.

Wouldn't be surprised if it looses signal in the Sydney CBD amongst the buildings, but haven't spent a lot of time driving around there lately :)
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] Hinerakatauri1979:
I can comfirm it it a harware issue, a month ago brought it to a samsung repair site. they replaced and antenna thingi and solded a few spots. no rom/firmware update and now ir works.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] Rawat:
Post a track?
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] Schmich:
I'm still on 2.1, sometimes. The GPS works fine at times whilst others it look just like the OP. I got my phone quite early. For us who use the GPS a lot it's quite saddening and frustrating...

edit: I use CardioTrainer a lot
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] alferret:
I was an early adopter of the SGS back in mid July. I have never really had any issue with the GPS lock on my phone when using Google or CoPilot8.

I get between 8 & 11 sats within 15-20 seconds (faster than my Garmin) and the only issue I did have was when I went to Spain. The GPS wouldnt lock on through CoPilot8 until I downloaded GPS test from the market, fired that up & then CoPilot8 was able to lock on.

I have used the GPS on JG5, JM2, JP6 with no discernible difference to the GPS which would say that a batch from the first supply of the phone could more than likely be hardware as opposed to software, IMO of course.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] rdy2go:
Did some tests this morning tracking my way from home to work -- it's simply terrible!!!

Open sky, theoretical accuracy of 15m, but looking at the .kml file in google earth - error is sometimes around .... 200-300 m !!!

Completely useless for tracking and car navigation.

It was much better with JM8 or JM9 so it's possible to make it right with this hardware. I wonder if they test it at all...

(And yes, I understand GPS is never 100% accurate, but this is the worst experience I've ever had)
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] madduckuk:
mine pretty much gets this, but it doesn't feel as consistent when in actual use.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] boris03:
Just found that thread

Hi, I am surprised that others are having the same problem. I think this is something with the software and not the hardware.

Tried Cardio Trainer, MyTracks and endomondo sometimes good GPS tracking sometimes bad. Now I am using endomondo again seems to be the most stable.

I also faced the problem that when I am disabling auto pause the tools do add some hundred meters when you are pausing. So auto pausing need to be enabled.

Also when I am using e.g. camera during the run it can influence the phone by calculating the distance.

What I am doing now is restart the phone before the run and trying to leave it untouched using endomondo.

Even that endomondo can not track attitude changes ...

Cheers
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] cantIntoCode:
At certain times mines can be actually pretty usable, but halfway through a journey a HUGE circle pops up with an unreal accuracy. Then it takes ages to get a lock after that.

When I was on JPH my gps was brilliant, idk why its just went so downhill.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] xan:
Lol, it works on highway! What a relief!

Go downtown. Turn left-right-left-stop_on_lights-step_on_it-then go sharp left. What now? You are in a random position on the map!
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] uberberben:
It's weird, because i get very nice trackings on both JPM and JPO in every situation.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] silentser:
maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=214669121180202010109.000493edee971e49e3f4e

heres your turn left and right, may not be that accurate but no jumps,
[EVO 4G General] wrb123:
i have had an evo since the day it came out, and about a month and a half ago i dropped it on the ground. the screen shattered, and i didn't have insurance. at the time the sprint guy said it wasn't a big deal, because the cost for repair was about the same either way. i paid about $130 and it was fixed half an hour later.

lately, about a month and a half later, i noticed some weird issues with the touchscreen. it was jumping around as if i had my finger on it when i wasn't touching it. i formatted the sdcard, did a factory reset, wiped everything, and loaded a stock rooted rom on it. it was fine for a couple hours, then i noticed the issues again. random scrolling, opening apps when i wasnt touching the screen, etc. i noticed the Y and G keys are now not working. i downloaded a screen test app that records where you have touched the screen with a white line. while sliding my finger up and down all across the screen, there is a noticeable band running vertically across the general area of the Y and G keys that does not record any touch activity even if i slide my finger there.

i took the phone to a sprint store and showed them. they asked if i had insurance and i said no. they said "well you could get insurance and then have it repaired for $35." i asked "why should i have to pay to have something repaired that i didn't break? the replacement screen is obviously defective." the guy said "well you should have insurance." and i again said "why do i need insurance for something that went bad on its own?" and he said "you had the repair done over 30 days ago so you'll have to pay to have it repaired again."

i have no idea why i should have to pay for repairs for a phone, regardless if i have insurance or not, when i didn't do anything to damage the phone. im going to go to the actual repair store here in chicago, but i doubt theyll say anything different. if they can't repair it for free, im seriously considering switching to a different phone company. this ridiculous service/repair policy along with the horrible battery life (the guy actually asked how my battery life was and tried to sell me an extended battery, and also tried to sell me a case... neither of which i care about), ridiculous $10/month fee, and lack of built-in tethering makes me want to switch back to tmobile which was a great company when i had the G1.

does anyone have any tips they can give me to get this fixed for free? or is that a hopeless idea?

thanks.
[EVO 4G General] unknown_soldier:
When you had the repair done, I'm sure there was a warranty period on the repair itself. Do you have any documentation showing what that timeframe is? It seems to me that if the screen repair warranty is up, you may be stuck paying for the new repair. Have you tried calling sprint with *2 and explaining the situation? I went through a similar situation with the screen developing a large white spot. It took many calls to *2 until somebody was willing to work with me. Try that. If you are not getting the answers you want, hang up and call right back. My persistence worked out eventually, but like I said, it was a time-consuming ordeal. Good luck.
[EVO 4G General] wrb123:
i understand that there was a warranty associated with the last repair, but it still doesn't make any sense to me that a problem i am having with the screen has nothing to do with anything i did. the shattered screen is not the problem (the screen did not get shattered again, which was what the original repair was for). the touchscreen is simply not working properly. am i supposed to get insurance, pay for that each month, and then pay $35 now and again every 45 days if the problem continues? doesn't make much sense to me, but that seems to be how sprint operates. i will take your advice and call *2 after i get turned away at the actual repair facility that i'm on my way to now. thanks for your advice.
[EVO 4G General] fenixjn:
Go to another store and show them the problem but do not mention anything about the screen being replaced before, unless they noted your account. Hopefully they could replace it/fix it under warranty
[EVO 4G General] sitlet:
Welcome to Sprint's "screw the customer" routine. Ive dealt with similar issues in the past.

Like others have said, the repair they did should have a warranty to it, just like if you go to get your car fixed, it usually has a 90 day warranty on the fix itself. Go back to where they fixed it, and talk to the manager. Explain your situation, that the repair obviously was faulty.

If that doesnt work, call *2, and ask to speak to account services. Explain your situation to them, how you are not at fault here, and shouldnt be treated this way as a valued customer. Tell them you will cancel your service if they dont help you resolve this issue. When you tell them that, they will bend over backwards to keep you, and hopefully send you a repacement phone.
[EVO 4G General] wmblalock:
I would say your best bet is calling *2 several times and trying to get a person who will help. Usually if you bounce around enough you may get lucky. Although, I have noticed that over the last 6 months they have really tightened down and become less willing to make exceptions. But these situations is what the insurance is for. If your phone was defective in the first 30 days, Sprint would repair it or replace it for free regardless of insurance, after that it's on the customer if you don't have insurance, regardless of the issue. If you had insurance right now you could get it replaced free with no deducible. I had a similar problem with my original EVO that I had since launch day last month. The touchscreen would just start clicking in the middle of the screen all on it's down. I have the insurance, so they replaced it with no questions asked. Your situation is sort of like a laptop, they only come with a certain warranty, and then if it breaks after that it's on you to fix it unless you have extra insurance or an extended warranty regardless of why it malfunctioned. I'm not a big fan of extra insurance either, but on a phone it is really worth it. Also, I am pretty sure ALL phone companies have the same sort of policy when it comes to fixing phones, so I doubt going to a different carrier would help you any. If your phone breaks without insurance through any provider after 30 days its coming out of your wallet. I would say, you might as well get the insurance and pay the $35 to get it fixed. That sounds like a good deal to me, because last night I broke the glass on my second evo, and with insurance the deductible to replace the phone is $100... so $35 sounds like a deal to me. If you don't want to do that, the only other option I see is going on eBay and buying a new screen/digitizer for $49 and putting it in yourself.
[EVO 4G General] dynamicpda:
Under the new Sprint policy revealed here on XDA, isn't a non-TEP screen replacement, or anything else, $35 per job?
[EVO 4G General] wrb123:
Update:

I went to a Sprint repair store (can't go to the original one because I moved across the country). They took the phone to the back room and came out five minutes later. The guy said "the tech said to get that touch screen test app off your phone because it isn't a good representation of what's wrong" ... I said "okay, well that section of the screen is clearly not accepting touch input" and he said to call a 1800 number to do a factory reset (?!) so I left and called that number and it was disconnected. haha.

I called *2, went through a bunch of menus, and it told me to call some 1800 number from a different phone. I got some guy who walked me through a factory reset which of course did not work. He said he would connect me to tech support, who I thought I was already talking to. Told her the problem and that the reset didn't work. She said it was a hardware problem and I said yes, and said I know it isn't her fault but that I didn't think it was fair for me to pay for a defective screen. She said she was making some notes in my account and was going to transfer me to an escalation manager. That person listened to my complaint again which I tried to word in a polite way. I didn't threaten to cancel my account but was ready to say something. I told her I would like to have a replacement phone since this one seems to have issues. She asked if it had been replaced before, I said no. She asked for my mailing address and email and put me on hold for about five to ten minutes. During that time, I got an email outlining my exchange order.

The exchange order notes that I could have to pay $75 to $125 for the replacement as well as some other fees, but she never mentioned anything about me paying at all so I'm prepared to call up and complain again if they try to charge me. I mean, I realize that's a policy but they never mentioned fees on the phone. I mean, i might as well have paid the $35 if I didn't mind fees.

Another thing to note is that when the guy at the store came out of the back room he had the battery cover off my phone and said the sensor showed it had gotten wet. I have never gotten it wet, and he said it was my fault if I kept it in my pocket. I will call and complain again if they charge me for returning a wet phone, because its not my fault if its such a poor design that minor sweat or pocket humidity can make it malfunction! I don't mean to nitpick but come on HTC...
[EVO 4G General] CheesyNutz:
one thing i HATE about calling any tech company getting shifted around to this person then to this person etc etc
[EVO 4G General] tgruendler:
Did you ask them what kind of warranty they provided with the repair?
[EVO 4G General] wrb123:
No, I didn't (and still don't) think it mattered. If I break something, like I did, I expect to pay for it or have insurance cover it. Since I didn't have insurance, I was okay with paying. While I don't expect a repair to last forever, I think it is reasonable to expect the phone be repaired to like-new condition or with a new screen. Then, if I use the phone normally, with or without insurance, I expect the phone to function normally for at least the length of the contract.
[EVO 4G General] tgruendler:
Expectations and reality are two different things. Why don't you call the store and ask them how long they warranty their repairs and go from there.
[EVO 4G General] Raheem387:
I don't know what this guy is talking about! First with how much this phone cost why wouldn't you have insurance on it! It only equals 85 bucks for the year way less then the price of a new or used phone even with the 100 you have to pay to get a replacement your still making out good! I jumped in the pool with my phone and even though it still worked I got a replacement for a 100 no hassles! And my screen went hay wire on the replacement and when they couldn't repair it I got another one for free! I dropped my phone and damage the front facing camera took it to the Sprint store and got it fixed for free! So stop being cheap and get insurance
[EVO 4G General] wrb123:
I am already getting a replacement phone for free, without insurance, if you read the entire thread.

As far as "being cheap" and "just getting insurance" you are citing two incidents where you caused damage to your phone. I agree that you or I should be expected to have insurance to cover damage to our phones that we cause. I am talking about a screen defect (I didn't drop my phone a second time and crack the screen a second time - the screen stopped accepting touch input in a huge area). people should expect more from electronics manufacturers and the phone companies that essentially work with them by accepting and promoting new phones. Electronics used to last, even when they had moving parts. Now we have a generation of people who are fine with devices that frequently go bad and having insurance to cover it. It seems to me Sprint and HTC are the cheap ones, pumping out thousands of the next "iphone killer" with poor batteries, screens, usb ports, etc.
[EVO 4G General] bnick007:
The "issue" you are having with Sprint is that they no longer cover in warranty repairs at no cost. The phone comes with a 1yr warranty thru HTC. If you would like free in warranty repairs call HTC. Good luck with that one by the way. Normally you are responsible for shipping the device to the manufacture and you would be obviously without your phone for the duration of the repair. The manufacture usually inspects the phone much more closely as well. When I worked at another carrier we used to receive photos of corrosion internally of equipment that they determined was not repairable. Even though the external indicators showed no such damage.

If you have TEP $7/month you would receive replacement equipment for in warranty repairs if it can not be repaired by an in store technician. TEP covers all manufacture warranty and non-warranty items in house. If it is board level damage, water damage, lost stolen, or broken beyond repair it will be replaced by asurion for the $100 deductible.

Any warrantied item without insurance will cost $35 for sprint provided repairs. Exception being software updates. If the phone is out of warranty all repairs, software updates, etc will cost $35.
[EVO 4G General] Raheem387:
The incident when my phone went on the fritz and was doing the same screen things yours was I got a replacement free of charge!
[EVO 4G General] wrb123:
My "issue" is also that sprint was providing in warranty repairs for one year when I bought this phone. Now they're trying to change that and then saying "oh just get insurance because its a good idea and would cover this." No. I'm getting a free replacement which is what I deserve. There is another thread that explains this change in policy.
[EVO 4G General] hercules rockefeller:
That's a good explanation of what changed. It actually used to be like this way back in the day wth Nextel before the merger - you could get a warranty replacement for free, or you could pay $35 for the convenience of walking into the store and picking it up the same day. I'm not sure when it changed to free warranty repairs but you have to pay more for out of warranty repairs (first it was $35 or $55, depending on what's wrong, then later $99 for dumbphones and $119 for smartphones), but now it's essentially back to how it was to begin with.

Overall, It's probably a better value, and you're probably still better off without insurance. Think about it this way - suppose you keep a phone for 2 years, and it breaks once a year - once under warranty and once out of warranty. With the new plan, that's a total cost of $70 ($35 + $35). With the old plan, the first repair would be covered and the second wouldn't. so that'd be $119. Now obviously, that's a hypothetical, you probably don't need to get it repaired that often. but personally, I find that I generally don't need any repairs until I've owned it for a year or so anyway. So it's better for my purposes, although others might disagree.

Regarding TEP - in the long run you're not saving money unless your phone is lost or stolen, and even then you're out $100 for the deductible. Suppose you're phone is stolen once in the same hypothetical 2 yr period (since after 2 yrs you could get a discounted upgrade): You'll save $449.99 on a new phone at MSRP, but you will have paid $268 in premiums and the deductible. If your phone isn't stolen / water damaged / completely destroyed, you're out $168. I don't know about you, but in the last 11 yrs that I've owned cell phones, I've never had that happen - I've needed repairs, but have never been in a situation when I'd need to place an insurance claim. And the $35 you'll save on a repair with tep is only 5 months' premium - surely nobody needs a repair every 5 months!

The bottom line is that all insurance is a losing proposition in the long run - if it weren't likely that you'd pay more in premiums than you get in claims, insurance companies wouldn't make any money. Personally, i only insure those things that I absolutely can't afford to replace out of pocket - my car, house, health life, etc.

Anyhow, sorry to go on like that, but it's just a topic that's been bouncing around in my head recently.

(and a bit of fair disclosure, I'm a Sprint Nextel employee, but what I write here is purely my personal opinion)
[EVO 4G General] JUST2SUAVE:
Good deal
[EVO 4G General] HelgesenJ:
Good luck, I have to wonder though if the fight, frustration and possible disappointment is really worth it.