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[Desire Android Development] madd0g:
You forgot dalvik cache, that uses internal space also ;]

No real advantage actually, I mean you wont gain any speed (or its insignificant). Thats why I don't get the "lets run everything off the internal memory" theme. Yeah, the Desire is more useful now with 337MB instead of stock 150MB, but if you're a heavy app user and specially now when they raised the app limit on the market to 50MB (games etc.), you probably will have to think about free space again in the future.

Where at a 1gig ext3 + 337MB of /data you'll never think again about the space and will probably laugh at non root users that have to "clear up space" to update their phones or try a new game :]
[Desire Android Development] jakeellis01:
anyone finds LauncherPro homescreen swipes jittery after 2.3?

menus look smooth and I love the new orange glow...

also... thanks for the new camera Wide Res.... I really needed that...

cool rom!
[Desire Android Development] kaldean:
Launcher pro working very good here
[Desire Android Development] hib1000:
Ok 1 more question, I read I should not delete my ext3 partition, just reduce it to 0... Is that the case?
[Desire Android Development] vaflen:
I for one have the same problem with LauncherPro. Reverted to rc2 for that reason.

Many seem to have no issue with it and some even try to convince you that you are an idiot for reporting it.
[Desire Android Development] jakeellis01:
grrr

i wiped before installing RC1... launcher pro worked flawless

installed RC2 without wiping... launcher pro worked flawless

installed RC3 without wiping... launcher pro jitters a bit in home screens but still works fine

any tips on how I can fix this?

i really dont want to wipe again.. :(
[Desire Android Development] mpjjansen:
Thanks for this great and fast rom it works very quick.

But i have a problem with the LED Flashing.

It wil only works when i charge my telephone.

if i have a missed call or tekst message it won't blink up.

I use the recommend radio en hboot en tried serveral market tools but nothing works.

Can someboby help me.

thanks
[Desire Android Development] castro145:
K900, I have no idea if apps run faster or not from internal flash vs SD, you said that they don't run faster, well you said wrong. Can you expand on that answer, details on why they don't run faster from the internal flash? It's been a bugging thing for me for a while but haven't been able to find N answer.

Also what about battery life better or worse by using the internal flash vs accessing SD for apps? Anyone?

Thanks.
[Desire Android Development] skiddyrow:
I'm traveling tomorrow, and wanted the video camera working, so I restored my nandroid backup from the stock HTC ROM thinking I will get it back to RC2 when I am back. However, i notice that the performance of the stock ROM is also now poor. Graphics are pixellated and there is lag. Should I have done a full wipe first before the restore? Also if I try to update the stock ROM system software it boots to the clockworkmod recovery and says installation failed - does the system software update stop working after rooting?
[Desire Android Development] jellyb:
i am assuming apps get loaded to internal memory when you launch them off sd-ext in any case, which would make it equally quick
[Desire Android Development] madd0g:
The internal memory is a same thing as a SD card. But the initial application gets loaded into the RAM and its run from there. That's why there is no "speed gain". Maybe the app would run slower from a class2 sd card, but thats a matter of a second. When its in RAM, then its loaded.

Why would there be a native app2sd introduced in Froyo, if it was such a significant speed loss ?
[Desire Android Development] danbrown162:
For me, launcher pro/ADW jitter when swiping but if i install the gingerbread launcher from the market its smooth as anything?!

Id really like the gingerbread launcher but with THREE home-screens. Hate having five..
[Desire Android Development] thebeach555:
same problem here.
[Desire Android Development] chareos12:
Well,

app loading from SDCard may be faster IF

SD Card is reasonably fast, let's say on par with internal storage speed. Who knows the internal storage speed in MB/s ?

app loading happens on the same moment a read/write is being placed on /system. But only if the Desire supports concurrent SD Card access. Who knows ? And, also, one would think that the filesystem would support evolved functions as delayed allocation and read queues in a good measure to avoid that reading/writing from /system and /data -both on internal storage - would lead to some noticeable performance drop.

I'm one of those who thinks "internal memory is better than SD". For me it's a matter of power consumption (SD must get full power to be read/written, right ?) and disaster prevention (oh, I've seen so many SD cards losing data...)

anyway, I'd be GLAD to see some actual numbers for this "apps on SD are faster" theory, finally.
[Desire Android Development] madd0g:
No one here claims that, even I didn't.

But as castro145 was asking, why would we assume that the usage of internal memory would be "better" ? We don't have actual numbers (or maybe they were posted somewhere).

But as day-per-day usage I never noticed any negative downside of using the ext3 storage as in speed slow downs or battery consumption. Im not claiming that there isn't one, but is sure must be low (a % or two) and the speed is slower in miliseconds.

Would I change my commodity of installing whatever app or game I want and never think about the space for those miliseconds/%'s ? I wouldn't.

But thats up to each user. ;]
[Desire Android Development] LuffyPSP:
i'll be using the new hboot all the way and get rid of ext partition. cuz its like, once i remove my SD, i'll still have my apps!! hahaha...nah thats just my imagination, i wont be without my SD but its still give the nice feeling having all in my phone. just like nothing was added my SD.
[Desire Android Development] blackie84:
if I wanted to go back to the stock theme ?

Thanks
[Desire Android Development] castro145:
thed0g, I agree with you, probably small milliseconds advantage of internal vs SD, just from my experience as well,using the a2sd.

The other one I have been really trying to get a handle on has been power consumption of the Desire as we all obviously is not so great. And I'm no expert in this either by any means, but would the power consumption be greater by using the SD for apps and cache.

I think I am leaning towards that by using the internal does help significantly but I'm not sure. The reason I say it helpes, is because I have been using a MoDaCo Rom without a2sd+, switched from same Rom but only with a2sd+ , and my battery life got much better. No scientific numbers to back that up but just seeing what % of battery life my phone is at, normal usage nothing different. It seems to be better by not using the a2sd.
[Desire Android Development] marky9074:
Anybody else have problems mounting the SD card after boot... took 3-4 reboots before it come up and mounted the card OK..
[Desire Android Development] Dward2828:
Yes (full wipe) and yes (most forums advise you to disable OTA updates after rooting)!
[Desire Android Development] skiddyrow:
Sounds good. Will do a full wipe and restore (and also disable OTA updates) - on another note, I'm using the recommended radio that AdamG suggested for Oxygen - can I retain this since I am anyways going to reinstall Oxygen later? Just wondering if there will be an issue with the stock ROM.
[Desire Android Development] 10lexik:
You can test internal memory speed by doing a transfert with a sshd server ;)

And certainly sdcard may be broken but like your home PC you have to do backups somewhere else than your phone and/or your sdcard ^^
[Desire Android Development] tincmulc:
You can try this yourself with an app called "J Disk Benchmark 2.0", free on the market. It can test "internal storage" and "SD".

In my case (class 10 sd card) the sd card is faster, specially in small writes (less than 8kB).

Also note that the ext4 will probably be faster than the fat32 this benchmark tests, so if the numbers are close than I would say use some kind of "something to SD", that is if there is the concurrent access of SD and NAND. (If anyone knows this, please share it with us!)
[Desire Android Development] puffy1980:
Anyway to replace gallery completely, with just pictures? So from camera just pictures would load instead of gallery. I really don't like the 3d gallery.
[Desire Android Development] woehrl:
I found a bug, don't know if it's related to gingerbread itself or just this rom.

If you have a notification with a hidden icon, there is a space at the top of the notification bar, so some of the icons are appearing shifted to the center.

If I didn't make it clear, I will take a picture, just let me know!

despite that: NICE rom!
[Desire Android Development] Dward2828:
Seen this on other ROMs when I was running an app with the 'hide notification icon' option enabled (think it was an early version of clockr). I'm sure it's a general thing - not ROM related. It's hidden, but it still has a presence on the notification bar, like a transparent icon.
[Desire Android Development] Dward2828:
I'm honestly not sure on this one. I assume it's a HTC radio and therefore OK, but assumption can be a very dangerous thing when it comes to flashing... I'd hold out for confirmation from one of the other guys. Anyone?
[Desire Android Development] AdamG:
coming soon...
[Desire Android Development] Kalavere:
I don't know why it took me so long to switch from Cyanogen, but God damned I am glad I did. You're the man Adam G.
[Desire Android Development] kosmo90:
Sweeeet
[Desire Android Development] CrazyCypher:
Has anyone noticed that icons are grey, but if you turn on Wlan they became green?
[Desire Android Development] jannnnn:
do you guys recommend use xmas vorkKernel?
[Desire Android Development] Serpente80:
Became green when there is some app connected to the web :)
[Desire Android Development] gippy2:
http://pocketnow.com/android/gingerbread-status-bar-icons-revealed
[Desire Android Development] vnvman:
Sure, but it's already in...maybe you wanna try the havs one instead, it's a good battery saver.
[Desire Android Development] bighill89:
Is this ROM better than MIUI?
[Desire Android Development] flakz0r:
It is for me. Also WAY faster, and 2.3 too. :)
[Desire Android Development] xploder270:
Google apps lose sync when the phone is sleeping. Icons turn green and sync starts again when waking it up. That's a major problem for me and did not happen with rc2.
[Desire Android Development] vlinder66:
Hello i m a noob and i have finally done the Alpharev thing. I have RC3 on my desire and its now S-Off. All my things are recommended as in the first post.

Now the second step is verifing the MD5 and thats different then Alpha mentions on his page, mine is beginning with 85. I m stuck how do i get the Alphadev Bravo Oxygen img working. :confused:
[Desire Android Development] reddev0:
Download it again. One you have downloaded is corrupt/missing some bits...
[Desire Android Development] Invisionx:
Make sure you're looking at the correct sum, if not redownload the image and verify again.

Also for those wanting to remove their ext3 partition, this can be done with AmonRa 2 recovery so you don't need to load up gparted. Remember it deletes your SD card, so make a backup.
[Desire Android Development] woehrl:
But I never had it on other ROMs I tried. and this was quite a huge number ;)
[Desire Android Development] wuub:
is it really ?

people have been complaining quite a bit about havs , personnaly i'm loosing it a bit with the kernel story now :s
[Desire Android Development] potter1984:
Hay good looking, what ya got cooking? Hows about cooking something up for me! Lol ;)

Great work man keep it up
[Desire Android Development] :
How do i stop using zeam?
[Desire Android Development] karmatt:
If you dont want to use the launcher included in the rom you can just download a new launcher from market and use that instead.
[Desire Android Development] gippy2:
TURN THE PHONE OFF. Seriously Are you SURE, download another launcher there`s plenty to choose from.
[Desire Android Development] Serpente80:
Change ROM !!1!!
[Desire Android Development] vnvman:
Well actually this kernel surprised me quite a lot, it's also really stable and fast, give it a try :)
[Desire Android Development] ravmania:
Awesome ROM!

Flashed it a few hours ago and seems to be working perfectly.

Totally loving the new standby animation.
[Desire Android Development] appox:
RC3 seems rather choppy compared to RC2, even after a full wipe. I'll stick with RC2 for a bit.
[Desire Android Development] akp982:
RC3

Just loaded it up and its working perfect for me, no lag, there was abit of trouble picking up the SD card but restarting it twice (once with the sd out and once with in) fixed that.

Thanks :-)
[Desire Android Development] maxmex1404:
i am totally impressed by rc3 and rc2. the topic should be changed to cleanest, fastest and best gingerbread rom! :)

Thanks for the work.
[Desire Android Development] theemuts:
Works great for me tkx Adam:D
[Desire Android Development] yoshaw:
For those getting the android alarm to show only 1, 2, 3, etc instead of Sun, Mon, Tue, etc. Do the following to fix it.

1) Go into your Language and Keyboard settings.

2) Choose Select Language, English (United States) or whatever else it is that you prefer.

3) Alarm clock should be normal now.

:D Cheers!
[Desire Android Development] vlinder66:
Hello again, i have already removed my ext3, and i have downloaded the file twice again.

I put the bravo_alphaspl-oxygen.img on my root of my Sd card. I reboot with back+power, then i come in the fast boot section. But i see no 'fastboot flash hboot bravo_alphaspl-oxygen.img'

I only see

fastboot

Vol Up

Vol down

power

bootloader

reboot

reboot bootloader

power down

my system

---AlphaRev---

Bravo PVT1 ship s-0ff

HBoot-0.93.0001

Microp-031D

Touchpanel-SYNT0101

Radio-5.09.05.30_2

aug-10 2010,17:52:18

When i click on bootloader then i get

HBOOT in blue

Vol up

Vol down

Power

fastboot

recovery

clear storage

sim lock

when i click on fastboot i come back in the first fastboot

What m i doing wrong:confused:
[Desire Android Development] zeussn:
You have to run on your pc the command "fastboot flash hboot bravo_alphaspl-oxygen.img" but following the steps of alpharev web site (backup, fastboot, restore, wipe cache...).

Look at http://alpharev.nl just below the hboot list.

Sent from my HTC Desire
[Desire Android Development] chiekurz:
Hey Hey,

Is it allowed and suggested to downgrade radio, to get suggested version (5.09.05.30) for RC3?

Currently running on 5.11.05.27 and I do notice a radio drop, whenever I touch the phone :( Hadn't noticed it before (with RC2 or any other ROM), maybe just need to service my phone.

/Edzz
[Desire Android Development] gippy2:
I tried Havs on RC2 it was sluggish, changed to svs and it was super. Not changed anything on RC3 yet as its running very well.
[Desire Android Development] justdidit:
Oxygen v2.0 RC3 + Oxygen HBOOT + ADWLauncher EX = best experience you can get on your HTC Desire. Thanks for your hard work and dedication!
[Desire Android Development] wuub:
Just did ;) will let you know but i'm still lost with all this stuff :)

Not sluggish at all for me
[Desire Android Development] thebastian74:
With the latest vorkKernel from RC3 its recommended to use Setcpu?
[Desire Android Development] paamet:
Two Q

1. Is there any way to turn off hardware key lights, like on cyanogen?

2. Possible to have an widget/shortcut to display render effects

Btw super fast Rom, outcompetes all. No lagging! Running rc3 after total wipe and n1 table. No fc so far after 12 hours.

Magnificient work. HTC should hire you, Adam!
[Desire Android Development] laba82:
Oxygen HBOOT + Oxygen 2.0RC2/3 = doesn't work.

N1Table + Oxygen 2.0RC3 = works.

Any ideas?
[Desire Android Development] mikep99:
Have you checked the size of system in your nand?

If its above 90mb the Oxygen table wont work.
[Desire Android Development] wuub:
Try to remove ext part and wipe the baby ;)
[Desire Android Development] laba82:
Shouldn't fresh install be under 90mb?

No ext partition on sd, wiped cache + data, no change.
[Desire Android Development] yukkio:
What does it not work with RC3? Is there a list ?

Thanks!
[Desire Android Development] psygbert:
+1 on this.

it all depends on the usage. some users prefer the oxygen hboot and its enough for them. but for some users, 300+mb of /data isn't enough. using 300+mb doesn't mean you should be using a netbook or something. heck even some android phones have 1gb+ internal memory. some users happened to be apps lover! they install anything they want from the market - bloated or not. imho, apps2sd usage will not vanish anytime soon. oxygen hboot is good, so as apps2sd, it all depends on the user's preference and usage.

besides there also some oxygen users with mtd erasesize 40000, so oxygen hboot layout would be impossible for them at least for now as these models cannot be s-off yet. so their only workaround for low space would be apps2sd.
[Desire Android Development] vlinder66:
Hi again thx for the answers, i m just to much of a noob to do that, realy don't know how.:rolleyes:

I have my ext3 back and restored it all. :)
[Desire Android Development] cruzzmz:
what do u mean by run on pc?
[Desire Android Development] mikep99:
It should be but you can check in the nand file.

Mine was just over 90 as id added a couple of extra things to RC 2 before flashing.
[Desire Android Development] KatanaPL:
Is this normal that I can't run on Oxygen Gingerbread any emulators?

For example Gameboid - It will let me choose settings, choose BIOS, ROM, but when I choose the ROM it will like "minimise" itself and won't let me play (no game sounds in background)...

Right now I'm on Defrost and everything is working fine but I will change ROM in about 3-4 days so it would be cool if there is any solution for this, so I will install Oxygen again ;)
[Desire Android Development] mikep99:
I guess you need to read some alpharev threads and install the sdk.

Iif you don't, there's a good chance you'll run into trouble...
[Desire Android Development] vdias:
Want to delete ext3 and change to oxygen hboot and make a full wipe...

How can i backup my apps?
[Desire Android Development] laba82:
Ok, stupid question, where can I find this nand file?
[Desire Android Development] broderbluff:
Does anyone have a link to the stable 1.0.4, the link on the first page is broken.
[Desire Android Development] zeussn:
I mean that the hboot update must be done on your computer and not directly on the phone. Please read the alpharev thread so you don't destroy your phone ;)

Sent from my HTC Desire
[Desire Android Development] mikep99:
Should be on your sdcard, /clockworkmod/backups I think.
[Desire Android Development] Tim24:
h**p://dl.dropbox.com/u/1138780/update-oxygen-1.0.4-signed.zip
[Desire Android Development] laba82:
Found the backup folder but it's empty.
[Desire Android Development] mikep99:
Have you run a nand backup recently?

If not, I suggest you do before carrying on!
[Desire Android Development] cruzzmz:
i have the android sdk already on my pc, do i need also the alpharev.iso?

could be gr8 if u could point me to the how to

found it .... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cw9xkS20i0

the wonders of google and youtube :)
[Desire Android Development] Niksie:
I've mirrored it on my server. Look at my signature.;)
[Desire Android Development] Flashmaniac:
there is an how-to right in this forum.

anyway. If you are not s-off right now, burn the iso from alpharev.nl

run it from your computer(its an linux live cd)

enable usb debugging be sure that your electricty won't shut down

and do NOT touch your phone in any stage.

after that you can just fine flash the oxygen one via fastboot.

1) Nandroid backup in recovery.
2) Verify the MD5SUM of the file you downloaded against the one in the table.
3) Flash HBOOT with your phone in fastboot mode (Back+POWER) -> 'fastboot flash hboot bravo_alphaspl.img' (change into the correct filename for the HBOOT you downloaded)
4) 'Fastboot reboot-bootloader'
5) 'Fastboot erase cache'
6) Boot recovery, wipe everything and restore.

by the way... I used the advanced search function before people blaming for my question.

whats so special on the oxygen one?

it just changes the mtd partions?! Or am I wrong ?

Best Regards and hopying for friendly answers :)
[Desire Android Development] laba82:
Did the nand backup, got

.android_secure.img

boot.img

cache.img

data.img

nandroid.md5

recovery.img

system.img

All files size up to 90mb, so this is why RC2/3 doesn't work with Oxygen HBOOT?
[Desire Android Development] mikep99:
How big is system.img and cache.img
[Desire Android Development] laba82:
System.img 77,9 MB (81*734*400 bytes)

Cache.img 14,4 KB (14*784 bytes)
[Desire Android Development] cruzzmz:
thanks ...

so i need to do s-off with the linux iso 1st then do the fastboot ... got it

btw i need to put the oxygen in root of sd & flash like any other .zip file right?

:)
[Desire Android Development] psygbert:
more space for /data
[Desire Android Development] Flashmaniac:
nope afterwards you can flash it via fastboot. thats why I copied the code in here.

be sure what you are doing, flashing hboot might brick your phone easily.
[Desire Android Development] woehrl:
just realised that the compass is wrong. for me it says that north = south and south = north. so the compass show the oposite direction!
[Desire Android Development] mikep99:
Ok, the problem is your cache.

Boot into recovery and wipe your cache.

Run another nand backup, note the timestamp.

Flash the oxygen boot table as per the instructions on the alpharev site.

Restore the most recent nand backup.

Should be ok.

The cache limit is 10mb

Oops, looks like your cache is 14kb not 14mb like I assumed. My bad :)
[Desire Android Development] laba82:
Thanks for the instructions and helping but still doesn't work.
[Desire Android Development] mikep99:
Not too sure then.

When you say it doesn't work, what is actually happening?
[Desire Android Development] vlinder66:
Here i found a full explenation how to use the AlphaRev Hboot.

http://geekfiles.altervista.org/en/guida-htc-desire-s-off-comandi-estesi-fastboot-patched-hboots/

I m still on ext 3 because i don't want to brick my phone.
[Desire Android Development] AdamG:
-removed-

-10char
[Desire Android Development] laba82:
Doesn't boot, hangs in the "Why So Serious?" boot screen.

With N1TABLE HBOOT works perfectly but not with Oxygen's HBOOT.
[Desire Android Development] 9600pro87:
Right, cache would be min. 40mb for me. 40mb as usefull for flashing anything from recovery (especially radio) and for App/games.
[Desire Android Development] mikep99:
I guess you will have to use the N1 table then.

Might be worth trying again after the oxygen hboots been updated as posted by adamg above :)
[Desire Android Development] carlos_vl:
Hi, right now I've got the N1Table HBoot installed, and I might switch to the Oxygen one but I've a doubt.

I've read that with just 10Mb of cache, you can't flash a new radio with the recovery menu, but that u can do that using fastboot. I'm okay with that, but what happens if I forget about that and i try to flash a new radio with the recovery? Will it brick my phone or it won't just start flashing the new radio? And what happens if I try to install a Sense rom or something that needs more cache size?

I know it won't happen anything if I do things right and change the hboot before installing a new rom and I flash the radios via flashboot, but i'm used to flash a lot of roms and radios and I might forget, so I'm afraid something could happen.

Thanks and sorry for my english.
[Desire Android Development] mikep99:
Cheers for the update adam.

Excellent work as always! :)
[Desire Android Development] pa.pn2:
delete please lol
[Desire Android Development] 9600pro87:
N1 table as 98mb of cache, no problems with this.
[Desire Android Development] pa.pn2:
you can try to flash a radio via recovery but it doesnt work^^