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[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] loogielv:
TopShelf, I think you're way out of line here. The theming forum is obviously not the best place to ask questions about theming. People like "creator" shouldn't have to be bothered to click on threads that they don't have the desire, nor time to answer. Instead, creator and other busy people need to only see threads that they enjoy reading, and all questions pertaining to theming should never be asked in the theme forum.

His valuable time cannot be spent answering questions to threads he clicked on and read, and only in the severe ignorance of the OP can he be bothered to reply, and of course, only reply with a full paragraph explaining the ignorance of the OP.

I'll thank you, Top Shelf, to remember the forum etiquette in the future. If you're going to utilize the theming forum, then please remember to berate and belittle anyone that also utilizes it for questions pertaining to theming.
[EVO 4G General] Shyfe:
http://www.the8pen.com/index.html

looks interesting, but I'm not sure how efficient it is. I'm definitely gonna try it though.
[EVO 4G General] topdawgn8:
Hmmmn, I may give this a go.
[EVO 4G General] SkelmecH:
seems like too much swiping around of your finger
[EVO 4G General] killhr:
Where can i downloads this i wantt to try it out
[EVO 4G General] TheBiles:
Looks fun. I will try it out.
[EVO 4G General] tgruendler:
I have been using swype since my hero and I love it because I hate pecking at the keys. This looks pretty interesting. Looks like it will take quite a while to get to learn it. Swype was easy to pick up because it still uses the common QWERTY keyboard design. I think people will try it and not like it because they will not take the time to learn, but we will see. I will definetly try it and will post back in a few days with some results.
[EVO 4G General] Jeremiah239:
Do you know how to read?
[EVO 4G General] nabbed:
Swipe to get a letter, or Swype and get the whole word.

No brainer to me.
[EVO 4G General] redrazr7791:
Give me swype with a phone keypad instead of a qwerty.
[EVO 4G General] snrubs13:
Looks really interesting, I want to give it a try. At the very least, nice little novelty.
[EVO 4G General] phobos512:
It'll never take off because of the nonstandard layout - in this day and age there's no excuse for silliness like this. Non-hunt/peck methods are already niche products (I doubt that Swype or other keyboard alternatives make up an appreciable percentage of device installs) and this is even more nichey.
[EVO 4G General] Samzebian:
idk this seems different because the swyping is much faster. If one is able to swipe multiple letters faster than a standard sized word, this may be better for people who use smaller words. not sure yet, going to definitely try this, as I also use swype and ultra keyboard.
[EVO 4G General] djsubcode:
Miss my palm t2, got so use to it..didnt like to text..but my far east friends, up my learning curve while I had my moto razer..back in the day...haha!!
[EVO 4G General] ms79723:
This looks like a pretty good idea, dont know how well it'll jump off though...but I will most definitely pick it up and try to get decent with it. Just for the bragging rights.
[EVO 4G General] halorin:
Or I could learn how to use Swype. I don't know. I don't like the look of this. I fail to see how this is any faster or better than other solutions available, conventional or not.
[EVO 4G General] _MetalHead_:
At first I was impressed and thought it was a great idea but the more I think of it, the less impressive it is. There is no way that someone can type with this method faster or easier than they can swype. We all already know the layout of the qwerty keyboard intuitively, and swyping words takes far less effort and requires less physical movement across the screen than this method, so what is the point? What this basically does is try to create a quick way of WRITING on our screens. It would almost seem better to me to be able to actually write the letters out than trying to learn how to write new characters for the english alphabet. There is way too steep of a learning curve for something like this, and it doesn't improve on the efficiency of entering text on a touch screen. I think the developers wanted to create something revolutionary, but really didn't think this one through.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
supposed to be out today. I was hoping it had the "swype" method but this whole start at the middle and go around in circles as many times as you need for a letter is kind of painful to me... Now, if you can swype from box to box and the algorithm was impressive enough to pick that up, THAT would be revolutionary and i would use in a heartbeat
[EVO 4G General] Samzebian:
I find it funny that they say "coming out later today" because it's past 12:00. I wish everything that had a release date came out on midnight, would make it so much easier on us night owls! (and less anticipated, but I'd rather know when something is coming out than sit around all day waiting for it only for it to come out at like 8:00 PM, such a drag when that happens)
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Argh I know... it's pissing me off I really wanna try this thing
[EVO 4G General] Beejis:
I'll try it, but it initially looks like more work then it's worth...
[EVO 4G General] .jond:
I'll let everyone else test it first. I really like swype. We'll see....
[EVO 4G General] josh995:
It's in the market now. Only $1.58... might as well try it out. If I don't like it I'm only out a small amount of money.

Sent from my HTC EVO 4G.
[EVO 4G General] ms79723:
haha im using this keyboard right now. Everyone should try this, ive never giggled while using a keyboard before, but this is amusing as hell and fun. Its like a game.
[EVO 4G General] kegacide:
something this experimental and they want to charge you right off the bat??? pass
[EVO 4G General] Beejis:
Yep, pass.

Sent from my HTC Evo 4g
[EVO 4G General] josh995:
Ok im using this keyboard now. I started typing this post at 8:20 and its now 8:26 and ive only typed this much

*edit* ok it took me almost 7 minutes to type out the above sentence. And I'm pretty well coordinated and a fast learner. I'm sorry but its ridiculously inefficient... I'm glad it was only $1.58. Not to mention it only took me like 45 seconds to type this sentence with a regular keyboard lol...

Sent from my HTC EVO 4G.
[EVO 4G General] dylan6879:
Just bought this keyboard, confusing but i like it and am getting better with every word i write
[EVO 4G General] ms79723:
The learning curve is pretty ridiculous, took me 2 mins to type "Man." I had no idea what I was doing and my hand was blocking most of the letters so I didnt know where else i needed to go...Future updates are probably going to have some insane autocorrect.
[EVO 4G General] josh995:
Exactly... you're finger covers half the letters! Lol... I don't think this keyboard will ever be popular.

Sent from my HTC EVO 4G.
[EVO 4G General] twilk73:
I used swype for a month and a half and although I got good with it and after many times studing the tricks to get better at it, I found it to be to error pron. Swype is a very good keyboard option however I feel as though its not the final answer. After using it and giving it many praise's and even loving it for a time, I switched to the multi touch keyboard and now only use that. Now I would prefer swype for the portrait mode but after seeing how fast and error less I can be in landscape with the multi touch keyboard I just dont use swype at all. If you really learn and study swype you can learn to correct the mistakes very quickly however when you go into landscape with swype and try to type in a none swype motion the keyboard is very in accurate. Its also not good at word predictions. I am not trying to convince anyone to not use swype, because its a very good keyboard I am simply stating lets keep an open mind and see what else works.

I do like swype even though I dont use it anymore. However, swype is not the final answer. This 8pen might be a step in a good direction. On another note though it does seem a bit extensive compared to swype. Like you said swype a whole word or a whole letter.

Either way I plan to give this a shot considering id love to be able to type without looking at my phone.
[EVO 4G General] ms79723:
I dont think it'll ever be popular either unless they make some kind of autocorrect that is like swiftkey's; because tbh, as cool as this looks, I dont want to have to learn this layout when I don't have to. But I will keep this just so I can show it off to my iPhone friends (after i learn how to get somewhat decent with this). At this point, my iPhone friends think everything on my phone is cool, gotta keep that goin.
[EVO 4G General] looneylu:
I can see myself learnig this, but it will probably not become my every day keyboard. Maybe once I learn it well enough I'll be able to text and drive!
[EVO 4G General] TheBiles:
Well, the lack of a free version combined with all of the negative reviews means I think I will be passing.
[EVO 4G General] Proxy.from.deep:
someone upload apk. in my contry cen buy apps from market :(
[EVO 4G General] mrcharlesiv:
Well, I bought it. As much as there are negative comments on this, I kinda like it. It is a pain in the ass to learn but I do understand how this could be fun. I'll keep it and I'll keep using it until I get decent at it.

Plus, this is the first release. Surely it will improve over time.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Wow.... the keyboard is very fun, something completely different. I enjoy it (once you get the hang of it). I don't mind the steep learning curve, it's something new and completely different so of course it's going to have a steep learning curve. Word typing is fast if you're paying attention to the predicitions and I have a feeling once I learn the placement of the letters this keyboard will be such a breeze to use; not sure if it will ever be faster than swype but definitely fun to use (for now). I think i'll be keeping just so when im typing somewhere public people look and go "wtf is that!"

Edit: And a very important one, if you mess up in the middle of a sentence, just go backwards and back in the circle then restart in the correct direction and you don't have to start the word all over or if you go past the letter just go back to the previous quadrant.... oh yeah, this is getting very simple and fast now
[EVO 4G General] Shyfe:
I bought it today and it's pretty cool. it has a steep learning curve, kind of like learning to use a keyboard all over again. I think I'll learn how to use it because it offers an interesting trade-off: speed for accuracy. I mean, there's like no way to type any letter incorrectly once you get used to this, but it's kind of slower than swyping or typing obviously because you need to gesture for a single letter.
[EVO 4G General] hercules rockefeller:
This is interesting. Fitt's Law would seem to argue against it being a particularly efficient human interface method. But I like the idea that they're trying to come up with a fundamentally original idea for the keyboard.

personally, I've always wanted to re-train myself to use a Dvorak keyboard, but even at the relatively young age of 32 I'm so used to QWERTY I don't see how that could be possible!
[EVO 4G General] dark_dj27:
I like it but its not very good for typing some things like web sites.
[EVO 4G General] Shyfe:
I'm not sure if Fitt's law goes against it. the W is certainly increasing a lot, but I can't really judge how much the D is increasing because you have to move your finger when typing on a normal keyboard too.
[EVO 4G General] hercules rockefeller:
D would vary quite a bit depending on where the letter in question is along its axis. For the first letter in each of the 8 "pens", a quick swipe and back to the center would do it. But for the 3rd and 4th you're going around in a pretty big circle.

I don't know, it just seems to me like you'd have to think about what you're doing with each letter - where am I swiping, and how far around do I need to go before I go back to the beginning. Maybe once you get used to it, it'll be more intuitive. But getting to that point would be quite a chore; you'd essentially have to memorize 36 unique motions to the point where they're muscle memory to get really good at it.
[EVO 4G General] TheBiles:
I tried making the transition from QWERTY to Dvorak last fall, but I had so much that I needed to type that I couldn't focus solely on making it my primary keyboard. I did get up to like 20wpm with it, and I can definitely tell that it would be much faster than QWERTY if I got it down. Maybe I will give it a shot during the summer or some time that I don't need to type.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Of course u have to think, u don't know the keyboard yet
[EVO 4G General] abe_ahmed09:
any1 wanna try?

here you go.

http://www.talkandroid.com/20051-8p...-steep-learning-curve-available-for-download/
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Stealing?!?! Uh oh!!
[EVO 4G General] backdown:
I like it..will take some getting use to it, but it should be faster to type once you actually give it more than 10 minutes to learn. I started off hating it, but now i am getting better at it.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
I do definitely like it, its fun, im getting pretty damn fast. I say after a week I should be used to it like second nature
[EVO 4G General] ms79723:
Same here, im beginning to like this keyboard a lot because it is getting easier to use.
[EVO 4G General] pimpEvo:
Trying it out now, its not that bad.
[EVO 4G General] Minjin:
I think a serious advantage would be that it requires very coarse, non located gestures. This means that after learning the movements, you should be able to do it without looking at the screen at all. To maximize this effect, they're going to need to have a very loosely defined center button. Swype, in comparison, requires fine, located gestures. The custom gestures for common phrases is very neat as well.

A lot of people talk about relearning a keyboard, but do you really know where every key is? I type at about 60wpm and I couldn't tell you instantly where a certain letter on the keyboard is. I'd have to rely on muscle memory to think about where my finger would want to go. You have to go through the same process with Swype, which I tried once and was very slow with because I had to think about where the letters were. You have to relearn the keyboard with Swype just like you do with this one.
[EVO 4G General] TheMagicalSock:
I've been using this for a few hours, but it's pretty tough to get used to. I've memorized a few letters and I'll keep playing around with it, but I don't see it being any faster than a regular keyboard. I type really fast on Smart Keyboard Pro with the Android skin. I occasionally used Swype when I know I'll be doing a lot of one-handed texting. I think trying to break people of the qwerty standard is a pretty daunting task. They've got their work cut out for them.

Those last two sentences were typed using 8pen. They took me about a minute apiece. Getting really good at it would be cool, but I don't know if it's worth it.
[EVO 4G General] scev5:
The first time you learned to type with a keyboard you werent that fast, but im sure its payed off by now. Intuitive isnt always neccecarry for something to be successful
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
I am a speed demon with it now... I'm also a very fast learner
[EVO 4G General] epphllps:
Using it now … not too good at it yet but fun to play with :-)
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
You could Swype an entire word in the same time/space it'd take to enter a single key in 8pen. That much I know.

I personally just use a third party multi-touch QWERTY on screen keyboard, 4.3" is enough for it to not be a problem. Swype is pretty crap at doing certain things like entering code and this keyboard just seems efficient but impractical.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
I'm going to post a video of me using it later
[EVO 4G General] looneylu:
Ignore this useless post. I am just using to practice my 8penning skills which are lacking as of now. Practice makes perfect!!! lol
[EVO 4G General] ms79723:
I love your spirit! Now kick that keyboard's ass!!
[EVO 4G General] akarol:
SwiftKey > ALL! Done and done!
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Eww swiftkey sucks
[EVO 4G General] postwick:
here is the simple reason this could be faster than Swype (which I use). how much time do you spend on Swype telling it which word you meant, or having to manually type a word after a couple tries because Swype simply can't get it right? maybe I'm missing something, but certain words (and common ones) are a hassle with Swype...like good. always comes out god.

with 8pen there are NO mistakes. once you learn it it will be very fast.

one thing a lot of people don't know about the QWERTY layout is that it was actually designed to SLOW YOU DOWN. why? because at the time the only technology was the impact typewriter (how many people here even know what that is?). it's one of those typewriters where if you hit more than one letter at a time they jam together. so it was necessary to slow typers down to avoid this.

once those style of typewriters were becoming less prevalent, a better keyboard layout was designed - the Dvorak. it laid out the letters based on usage to make it possible to type even faster. how many words do you type on a regular keyboard where you are using one hand to type multiple letters in a row? again, this was intentional so you aren't trying to press multiple letters too quickly. with the Dvorak that won't happen.

their essential point is true - if the keyboard were invented today it would not look anything like how it looks now. a new design is logical. will this one work as well as they hope? only time will tell.

I will say this - it looks like a huge learning curve. but once you know it, it seems like it would be very fast.

you might be able to Swype a word faster than on 8pen...but the amount of time you spend correcting mistakes on Swype may make typing a sentence or more than a sentence overall faster on 8pen.

one last thing about the comparison between this and Swype - those of you saying "swipe a word instead of a letter" are missing something about 8pen. a certain combination of letters (i.e. a word) will still be one continuous motion on the screen with 8pen just like with Swype. it'll just be a different, but MUCH more accurate, motion.
[EVO 4G General] k4p741nkrunch:
I just started using 8pen and I love it! Just go into an empty text field and try and type "the quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog" until you can do it with no errors and from there it's just optimization your finger movements.

A couple of things I've noticed is that it's difficult to produce a word that has both letters and numbers (like my name, or even a website).

The pressure sensor will not work on my Evo (perhaps because I have a screen protector)

And I feel the backspace button should either be on the right, or have a gesture for backspace.

Other than that I recommend everyone try it!
[EVO 4G General] timtlm:
This looks pretty terrible to me. Too much effort for one letter. I think I would prefer that you don't have to start and return to the center all the time. You just start in the quadrant you want and then release. Then have a button or gesture for space.

I wish I could combine the customization of smart keyboard pro with the prediction of swiftkey.
[EVO 4G General] jerryparid:
The learning curve is quite steep but once you the 26 gestures for letters, it will absolutely destroy anything out there. You can literally blind type with this keyboard.
[EVO 4G General] lowetax:
fer sure, eh!
[EVO 4G General] TheMagicalSock:
Yeah, that's one really appealing aspect of this thing. The letters are only there to help you memorize the gestures. Once you have them down, you can type completely blind.
[EVO 4G General] postwick:
with 8pen, you DO swipe to get a word. I don't understand why anyone thinks otherwise. maybe if you actually try it, you'll get it.
[EVO 4G General] postwick:
there's even an option to get rid of everything but the circle in the center.
[EVO 4G General] jagxj220:
I don't like the tutorial is in my app drawer. Other than that its pretty cool.

Sent from my HTC EVO 4G. EVOke (v.) - Summon into action or bring into existence, often as if by magic.
[EVO 4G General] lowetax:
I had some moola left on my home equity loc so I bought it. and yes tried it. but I can't see the lower letters with my finger in the way.

and if I hesitate to look it changes the letter.

but the point is, you move 12 quadrants or so for 5 letters.

I move 5 to accomplish the same thing in swype.

you have to swipe to get 1 letter.

with swype you don't.

it's definitely unique - but taking over the world - I don't think so.

when you think about it, an app that you talked to and spelled out your words would be at least twice, if not more, as fast as 8pen.

swype and the microphone/voice speech to text for me.

my .02

10 char.
[EVO 4G General] turn:
i'm trying it out on my evo, but i shattered the screen today, so it's not getting as much usage as it would. that being said, i can see people learning the patterns for common words and in turn getting really quick with this.

the learning curve really is steep, though. i don't think the keyboard would ever get adopted by anyone other than the techie bros. and especially with google swooping up blindtype, the guys behind the 8pen would have a pretty hard time pushing this with swype's current (and forthcoming) contracts as well as with google's new pickup.

i like it, though. i like the simple ui and distinctive traits that come with using it

i'm not fast at all yet, but all i've used it with is a few texts.
[EVO 4G General] dakidobf:
I'm sure some people will learn it and become really fast with it. But I just feel for me personally, it'd be a waste of time trying to learn this. I use shapewriter and I'm fast and accurate enough with it.

I just don't get some of you guys fascination with speed texting. What situation are you ever in where you need to type a text excessively fast?

And for those of you saying "soon you'll be able to type without looking at the screen!" Who cares??? When do you ever need to do that?
[EVO 4G General] turn:
i'd love to be able to text without looking at my phone.

driving, whilst engaging in conversation; there's many situations in which i'd like to be able to look away from my phone while i type on it
[EVO 4G General] scooter185:
used to be able to do that with a normal slideout keyboard (the rumor) and even with my old flip phone with just the normal keypad. havent had as much success with a touchscreen keyboard, even as good as swiftkey is.
[EVO 4G General] david279:
I think im gonna rub out my screen using this keyboard.

Sent from my supersonic yea....
[EVO 4G General] jagxj220:
I'm going to stay away from you on the road if your using your phone while driving.

Sent from my HTC EVO 4G. EVOke (v.) - Summon into action or bring into existence, often as if by magic.
[EVO 4G General] david279:
I cant get it to captalize letters using gestures.

Sent from my supersonic yea....
[EVO 4G General] david279:
Not with this keyboard.

Sent from my supersonic yea....
[EVO 4G General] thedudejdog:
I'm getting pretty good at it, about to turn the letters off only a few I don't know
[EVO 4G General] Max_Pain:
tried. while it's a cool concept, it seems to take much longer than Swype...so refunded.

maybe if you apply yourself to get past that steep learning curve?
[EVO 4G General] beartrap:
This app is now free on the marketplace.
[EVO 4G General] Beejis:
Doesn't surprise me, it looks way too difficult to become maintstream. It's like re-creating a keyboard when the one that's already in use is perfectly fine.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sahil04:
At the moment I'm running JI6 stock rooted and OCLF. I was thinking of installing the new "Core v1" or Bionix but I just had a couple questions.

After I install a new rom, and a new update comes out, do I have to reflash the new update? Or is there a option in the rom itself to update to the newer version?

This is my first android phone and so far searching has gotten me all the answers I need but this one I have not found an answer to.

Thanks alot!