yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xHausx:
Since many people don't seem to understand that Android is open source, and what that means, I'll try to explain it some. If I get anything wrong feel free to correct me.

Open Source Definition

Android is basically an OS on top of an OS, with the base being the Linux kernel. Both are open source, Linux created by Linus Torvalds and Android owned by Google and maybe thirty other companies. Android ROMs, the kernels and any creation or monstrosity that comes from modifying them are still owned by the people or companies that originally created them. Trying to sell it as your own is Illegal...

You're not going to rip iOS off an iPhone, change a few pictures, and then sell it as your own creation and if you're smart you won't try doing it with Android ROMs either.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Success100:
WELL, if he followed the rules just like other devs here, he wouldnt be in this predicament, he did great work around here, but not exempt from rules. I actually thought that he was making huge bank off this stuff. It had been brought up in a few of his threads
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] beatblaster:
I can sense either a thread lock or ban coming really soon here....... just sayin'....
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] willy900wonka:
He has a new evo rom just released today.

Should be on google since it's android.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jimmypopulous:
The issue is that you can accept donations, but not hold out and demand pay (AFAICT). Also, a minor point, but the Android OS is under a different license than the kernel. This was done to appease carriers and phone manufacturers, both of whom are hesitant to release full source for their products.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] halorin:
I just checked his website out. $5.50 a month as an option? I don't know, man. Developers should receive donations and all for their work but he's pushing that envelope a little further than I'm comfortable with.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] willy900wonka:
Under forums, evo development, on kings site there are free kernels and other free evo releases.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jimmypopulous:
That's pretty egregious, but it's bound to happen when people are tossing around the term "genius" to describe his work. :rolleyes:
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CheesyNutz:
this thread if full of win
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] juancaperez2000:
damn you dont need to pay just wait an then he gonna make it public like his 1st version
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dashed:
All the noobs here on xda haven't been around long enough to know that king has been banned numerous times for stealing other peoples work and calling it his. Back in the g1 days it happened, and its happened quite a few times since. Kanged is kangklick! I would never use any of his work no matter how many great reviews it has.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jjvcuyler:
The gpl specifically allows you to make modifications, distribute and charge fees. The only thing you must do is supply the source code, including your changes, for whatever you distribute. So yes, you can take gpl code, make some changes, and sell it, as long as you also provide the source for your changes.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] willy900wonka:
So let me understand, king was using github and meeting his obligations to release his source. BFS and HAVS were in the public domain, just else where. He tunes and links then into "any kernel" format. All the easier for other developers to use. This site was one of the factors which drove his open approach. So this site kept his stuff open. Now this site bans him and in affect closes his new stuff.

Cause he wanted us to see his site?

When did the benefit to Android development get superseded by the politics of xda-developers?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xHausx:
The android licenses are under the open source initiative that I linked to earlier. It clearly says that you can not prevent people from downloading it if they have not payed you.

Again, the link I gave earlier applies to both the kernel and the ROMs. You should read it.

And on top of it all he's not only taking borrowing from other peoples work with the kernels but taking ROMs that many people have had a hand in getting working. You're going to use their work and not allow them to take advantage of anything you've done, all while you're making money thanks to them?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jhoffy22:
****, basically anyone on this site could do the same as what he did taking other peoples work, throw a donate button on their name, and make thousands of dollars off of it.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] crpercodani:
+1
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sgt. slaughter:
Whats the difference in what he was doing and currently what Myn and Damage to name a few do where the "donators" are the only ones allowed to download the rom first?

It was my understanding like mentioned before, he releases it to the public after kinks are worked out.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Genjinaro:
I don't get the problem for "off-site" beta donations when he offers the end result here for free? You don't have to give a penny.

On a general note:

Just wait for the final or use someone else ROM/Kernel or the current while you wait. If they charged for the release, then I'd have a problem.

Currently waiting for Myn's ROM is killing me slowly, I'd contribute to the beta but I can wait.

The price of a good kernel/ROM is patience.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zikronix:
I always had good luck with kings stuff...but i never used it with setcpu

oh and see my sig
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] egzthunder1:
The difference is that, at least with myn, myn has never said "I will give beta access to donators". He simply gave it to them as a "thank you". No one was expecting myn to do this. Moreover, he has also released it to others who haven't donate as well. I know it is a very fine difference, but it is there.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scooter185:
IIRC dc3.5 beta was only open to donaters. I may be off on this as it was a few months ago, and I started following other devs.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jjvcuyler:
Take a look at http://source.android.com/source/licenses.html The Section labeled "Android Open Source Project license" pretty clearly states that Android is using the Apache license, and they even have a link to it. It also clearly states that the kernel is licensed under GPL 2.0. Anything in that link you sent earlier that conflicts with the GPL (in the case of the kernel) or conflicts with the Apache license (in the case of most of the rest of the code) simply does not apply.

Well, from the Apache license, we can find in section 3, "Subject to the terms and conditions of this License, each Contributor hereby grants to You a perpetual, worldwide, non-exclusive, no-charge, royalty-free, irrevocable (except as stated in this section) patent license to make, have made, use, offer to sell, sell, import, and otherwise transfer the Work..."

That's pretty clear. The license allows selling.

Section 1 of the GPL 2.0 has, "You may charge a fee for the physical act of transferring a copy, and you may at your option offer warranty protection in exchange for a fee."

That's pretty clear. The license allows charging a fee.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bigmoogle:
My impression of DC was that they used the donaters as beta (alpha?) testers. Sure the donaters got a preview of the new rom but it wasn't a final version.

I think baked snack got into trouble because donaters got the new releases early.

Again a fine line but it's there.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jjvcuyler:
I should also point out that even here http://www.opensource.org/osd.html Section 1. Free Redistribution reads, "The license shall not restrict any party from selling or giving away the software as a component of an aggregate software distribution containing programs from several different sources. The license shall not require a royalty or other fee for such sale."
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] luvofthagame:
...egos r more ironclad than any contract...king hasn't asked payment for anything...
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cowfodder:
+1

Same as DC, he was allowing donators early access to alpha and beta versions, and releasing finals into the wild. He seems to have pissed off some other dev that the mods like more, so he was booted without even being talked to. I've demodded others from a forum I mod for less.

From my Evo to your eyeballs.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pulser_g2:
To clarify the situation here, rule 11 applies on XDA, and doesn't permit you to feature paid ROMs on XDA. Rule 12 also covers the crediting of other developers.

I would suggest you read those, as they may be relevant in this case.

Rule 11 is in place to ensure XDA isn't full of paid-only ROMs from people trying to exploit the community, whether by forced subscriptions or donations.

Repeated violation of such rules leads to a ban.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mrono:
What he did was tell donators that if they donated he'd give them access to the betas. The donations are supposed to be selfless, not because you want to get something out of it, but because you like what the person is doing.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rydah:
Never used his kernel but that's some dumb ass ****.

Sent From My HTC Evo 4G Using Tapa Talk Pro!
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] -Protos:
Nothing dumb about trying to keep a community 'open' and discouraging payware. I thought that was what this place is supposed to be about.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scooter185:
It's more that there seems to be a double standard. If king was giving doners early beta access and then releasing the full rom for free to all, well there's a couple other devs who have done that.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jhoffy22:
Closest thing I've gotten to an answer this whole ****ing thread, christ.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] luvofthagame:
...have had great results OC to 1.15...not so much any higher,as I get reboots and FC's...I have a profile for screen off...saves alot of battery...been pretty consistant through different # releases...x...
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jhoffy22:
Precisely. By saying "donate to me and I will give you early access to my beta roms of which nobody else will have access too"...is basically no different than saying pay me or **** off and wait until everyone else can get it. Donations are supposed to be selfless acts of kindness, this defeats the whole concept of the donation system implemented by XDA. If he were to continue to get away with it, then all of the developers would begin charging for all of these early access betas thereby drawing the community into their own personal websites with other hidden fees to inadvertently gain access to their "free" roms and kernels. Charging for access to something is no different than charging for the product itself. We no longer would enjoy the liberty of having a constantly up to date selection of roms and kernels without paying something, even if it is a small fee. Rules are rules.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] spiicytuna:
+1

Sent on the go from my HTC EVO
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rydah:
But worth a ban?

Sent From My HTC Evo 4G Using Tapa Talk Pro!
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sgt. slaughter:
Point is that other Dev's clearly practice the same thing here in a sense and they are still around. You can't compare it to BS as he flat out took his stuff and locked it out when people kept leaking it out.

If they are to ban King for only giving donors beta's then they oughta put pressure on the other devs that do the same. Although personally I like the current system of donors able to get first peak at the stuff and have the ability to help the dev iron out any bugs before releasing it to everyone. Seems like a sound system that helps the devs not get bombed with error reports and more efficiently work on stuff.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] willy900wonka:
The kernels kingxklick posted here, were and are still free. Not even membership to his site, is required to download them. The entire issue is that he posted a link to his site, so many people didn't bother to look around and find them in the public forums of his site.

http ://kingxklick.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=117

He NEVER published any paid kernels during that time and referred to them from this site. That alone meets this site's rules.

He has the right to work http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-to-work_law.

If a dev posts free stuff here, is the dev prohibited from charging for stuff that is not posted here? If so then check the link.

What of those who write code for a living?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] aamikam:
ok... after a quick look at king's forum... all the new stuff are at least 5.50$

with all do respect... but i think one point is kinda f'd up...

he cannot charge people and at the same time tell them that if their phone gets f'd up he's not responsible for it.

thats just makes no sense.

not to mention that he already has an evo yet keeps the statement that he dont have yet but he's close to getting one...

dont get me wrong guys... i love his work... i use his work... but he really is just sort of pushing it a little too much.

i can understand how he got sick of people barely telling him thank you for his work and probably less than 10% of those who actually say thank you actually donate... but still... 5.50$ a month to get something that is technically experimental and without a warranty... thats just f'd up.

anyways.. i really wish him good luck... and i really thank him for his work, but seriously... even the dev who made setcpu is giving his software for free here on xda... and the dude has over 1.5 million d/l just from the xda forums... i mean... common... if the setcpu guy can accept donations... everyone can.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CheesyNutz:
wow this still not lot locked !
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] funcrusher:
Yes, what he's doing is similar to what other devs are doing/have done, but king adds a bit of deception into the mix.

No thanks. I won't use his work and my donations will go elsewhere.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cowfodder:
Sorry, got caught up in one part of the discussion.

Setcpu is fine to use to set oc and scaling on havs kernels, but profiles should be avoided. I've used king's bfs kernels since #1, and the new #11 has by far the best battery and performance for me. I oc to 1152, and have scaling set to conservative. I'm a light user, and can manage over 40 hours between charges with the stock battery with about 15% awake time.

From my Evo to your eyeballs.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] willy900wonka:
Set cpu does two kinds of actions.

1) It writes to the static "tables" for android processes to use.

Things like cpu speed limits, threshold values, increments to cycle cpu.

2) it performs dynamic actions, which could if not specified correctly, conflict with the basic android kernel. Beyond setcpu's processor run time usage, it can create lock values and mutex queues, which also use resources, like battery and processor power.

So what. I use it specifically for it's startup initialization of the static values. I let the kernel's governor handle the rest.

Yeah that means I kill setcpu after startup - manually, though I could use autostarts to do so.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
I disagree with your statement. Anything that involves rooting/hacking voids your warranty (if you rooted your phone you've already assumed that risk). Secondly, there are a lot of people who still complain and think they have priority BECAUSE they donated. It's a double edged sword.

I used to love this forum back when the TyTn II was the phone to have. I happily donated to this site a couple of times because of it. I think that permanently banning him was out of pocket. They could have PM'd him and told him to get rid of his URL or laid out some rules. I didn't see a mod post in his thread telling him to stop like they do in many other threads.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jhoffy22:
Does a moderator want to clear this up?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] skydeaner:
I find the new 11cfs from king's to be very similar in terms of battery life.

I also find the new netarchy betas to be amazing on the battery. Try them out, especially the nohavs versions.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Hardcor__:
okay... as far as battery life.

im running cyanogenmod 6.1.0 rc1 with snap v7.6

and my battery lasts over a day
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
I would love to see that. They don't mind butting in on a thread full of trolls and shutting it down.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jobryan26:
Kind of hard to expect anything else from a thread in which the title which begins with "KingKlick has been banned..." other than peoples views of, yes, none other than KingKlick being banned. But agree..can we PLEASE get past this King topic. I have almost stopped coming here because I am tired of hearing this crap.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
Then don't come here.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xHausx:
look on page 4
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
I stand corrected on page 4. I'm just going to say that there is another dev that gives access to donators. Some of you guys may know who I'm talking about.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xlGmanlx:
i would say baked snacks #6 is superior to any king kernel (my opinion) if you can get a hold of it, do it
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jobryan26:
Let it die... King is banned permanently and he doesn't care anyway. No amount of complaining is going to change anything other than irritate other users by flooding the forum with drama and possibly getting yourself banned... I am 37 (not a kid), run a large wholesale distribution company, manage 30+ employees, work 60+ hrs a week, and the last thing I feel like hearing is a bunch of drama on here when this use to be a place to relax and exercise my hobby. If you like drama then sign up at www.soapcentral.com. I have voiced my opinion as well in the previous threads which were deleted and the other heavily edited by the mod(s) which quickly showed me where they stand on this matter. This is their site so the can do whatever they want to do with it. I do agree with most of everything you have previously stated, I am simply saying this King topic has ran its course and the mods should have edited the topic of this thread before all this mess started. The even sadder part is all of this over a cellphone..:rolleyes:

I do not have a problem with you or anyone else on here, but if you wish to talk further feel free to pm me.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] spiicytuna:
This comment alone has warning flags ALL over it.

Sent on the go from my HTC EVO
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
What I did find weird was that he didn't have an Evo but made kernels for the Evo.

Anyway I'll let this thread RIP. Have to prepare a 3 hour lecture for Biotechnology for class tomorrow.

Sent while sitting on the toilet.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] aph:
It did seem kind of shady that for months and months he was "close" to having an Evo so he could make even better kernels, and to donate for that. Sounds like the perfect sales pitch, or scam if you want to go there.
[General Topics] BeEazy10:
http://www.thirdage.com/news/nexus-2-rumors-squashed-samsung_11-1-2010

i hope this help
[General Topics] civicvx94:
I'm so f*cking happy to read that.. I hate the feel of the entire galaxy s phone line compared to my n1
[General Topics] jack.overholt:
Scared....

This device is scary to me, granite I dont have the newest device..... DINC
[General Topics] BeEazy10:
:( well...

http://www.gizmocrunch.com/rumors/3933-google-nexus-two

google said NO! :O
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gmichaelow:
So I was wondering what temps you guys are seeing when your phone overheats.

My phone reboots when it hits 37 C, which seems awful low. Anyone else seeing such low reboot temps?
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AndrewGL:
Mine doesn't reboot that low, the highest I have seen it go was like 43.7 or something
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BodingisanAndroid:
I've never had my phone reboot due to overheating even at 42°C. Running CM6.01
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gmichaelow:
Hmm, this is getting frustrating. I've begun to reboot at around 37 C. Is there any way to change that number? Anything to reset?
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fivefour:
Is that CPU or battery temperature? If battery then the CPU would be much hotter.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gmichaelow:
Battery... but it's weird. The battery temperature gets to 37 C, and then reboot. When I very distinctly remember it before going 45+ C without a problem.

And now I'm bootlooping. Seems to start up, and is still too hot, then reboots again. Anyone have this happen to them? Lower temp reboots?
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fivefour:
Sounds like you may have permanently damaged your device, if your battery temp were 40+ degree celsius your CPU temp would be a sustained 15+ degrees hotter. Running your device this hot often certainly could damage it over time.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fivefour:
Try a standard or increasing voltage kernel if possible.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gmichaelow:
No no, my battery isn't that hot for long amounts of time, just, like when I'm surfing for a long time or something. Trying an undervolted kernel now.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rfarrah:
Do you have a backup battery that you can try - see if you get the same results? Batteries do occassionally stop working properly.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jp43:
My phone would reboot when using GPS in the car if it was on the dashboard or mounted - I checked the temperature when it booted and didn't get stuck in a boot loop and it was around 45c.....

I returned the phone to stock and brought it back to vzw, they gave me a new battery, phone still runs somewhat hot even stock.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gmichaelow:
But mine is rebooting at 37-38 C. Which is awfully low. I'm RUU'd, S-oned, and factory-resetted and STILL it happens. So it's a hardware problem.

Gonna take it into a Verizon store and demand a replacement on the spot x]
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jdmba:
I can advisr from personal experience on your symptoms that you have one choice ... Return to verizon for a refurb. This is what happens when you have an early incredible with a faulty hardware radio. It gets to the point where it starts trying to compensate and super heats. You must return.

Every other suggestion would be a mask to an existing well known hardware problem.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nagasgura:
I once left my phone in a black bag on a hot summer day. It went up to 50 C with no problems. It didn't reboot or anything.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Deleted member 2776902:
I have one of the original Incredible's from launch day, it is usually around 43-45. Sometimes it gets warmer than that playing games. Never actually had any problems. The hottest it ever gets is on Z rom's. Those things have gotten it to 50 :eek:.

I'm on CM7 W/Slayher's 2.6.37 kernel, and it's at 42 just on the home screen. Mind you this is all on stock speeds. My phone doesn't like to overclock. Regardless of kernel. It can go to 1.113 sometimes, but any more = reboot.