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[Fascinate General] voghan:
I know I've heard this stated wrong a couple places. A major release is 1.x to 2.x and a minor release is x.1 to x.2 so the froyo update is a minor release. Most of the features are under the hood improvements. I've seen froyo on the evo and most of my friends didn'tnotice a difference.
[Fascinate General] Daswolven:
Perhaps you should read the op, and reread my response. The V8 browser boost, JIT, and memory management upgrades are very apparent to someone who knows what they're looking at regarding performance.
[Fascinate General] thatdudebutch:
Four words. Just In Time Compiler.
[Fascinate General] adrynalyne:
Please. If you need to be told about performance to notice it, then its a placebo. Maybe you should re-read. The op never said they didn't know what froyo adds, as you insinuate. They said they didn't see a performance increase. Two very different things. Coming from Froyo on two different phones....a lot of these performance increases are situational, and not translating into overall performance increases.

Plus how can you say the op is wrong about galaxy s froyo if he had tried it and you have not? Samsung has a track record for screwing **** up.
[Fascinate General] Daswolven:
Well, okay. Since you said please. Lol.

There's a notable performance difference is my point. Having played with quite a few 2.1 and 2.2 roms on my Nexus, it is night and day. Heavy apps and games load quicker and run smoother. Hard multitasking doesn't cause any drag. The browser is twice as fast running side by sides.

Ill speak more plainly then, so perhaps you can catch on to my point.

My mother in law plays farmville and checks email. If I upgrade her 1.8 ghz P4 with a gig of ram to a quad core 2.6 ghz and 6gb gaming memory, she really isn't going to see much of a performance difference in farmville and hotmail.

However, when I run photoshop, play with video editing, or crank up Fallout3, it will be very evident.

JIT is not a placebo. Nor is the V8 browser, or the kernel based memory management improvements that 2.2 brings.

So again, if you do not see the performance enhancements, then you do not know what you are looking for.

This is a statement, not an opinion.

As for samsung screwing it up, it is possible, though I won't care a whit as soon as I can get into either a clean AOSP froyo rom, or a CM port.
[Fascinate General] mailaliasgar:
I've used a Nexus One before and after Froyo. We use the phone as a "computer" for research purposes. The performance upgrade may not be readily apparent to the average user but JIT really boosts performance for computations. Froyo also adds some API's that developers can use to boost performance.
[Fascinate General] Sherwood1:
From what I read the J.I.T COMPILER doesn't do much for the humming bird processor and gpu.....it improves performance much more on SNAPDRAGON Processors.

Even with flash turned off I've seen videos of the iphone loading SOME webpages faster than the nexus one with 2.2.... that irks me cause I hate APPLE
[Fascinate General] Daswolven:
I rest my case. :)
[Fascinate General] NOsquid:
Well not that it matters but my phone on 2.1/voodoo/OC with xScope loads "some" web pages (as in all 3 I tried) faster than the ipad I played with.
[Fascinate General] Sherwood1:
Daswolven you rest your case.... what was that?
[Fascinate General] Daswolven:
Your last post illustrates very clearly that you don't understand what you are trying to elaborate on.
[Fascinate General] adrynalyne:
You rest your case of the iPhone loading some webpages faster than Nexus on 2.2?
[Fascinate General] Sherwood1:
You are so wrong. I know your a android fan boy but again you have no clue. Its a fact that JIT improves snapdragons much more than the hummingbird. Much more!!

You have no point, no case because your not basing it on experience or fact.
[Fascinate General] Sherwood1:
My point was 2.2 doesn't offer much improvement in real world use atleast on galaxy s.... that's my point
[Fascinate General] Daswolven:
Awesome.

Okay, I am wide open. Please explain technically, or point to a source that explains how the snapdragon works better than the hummingbird with a virtual engine. JIT impacts the Dalvik VM, so you have lost me here. This is a sincere question.

I'm not a developer, nor an engineer, so perhaps you can enlighten me and others on this. Clarify this with verifiable source pls.
[Fascinate General] Sherwood1:
http://www.zdnet.co.uk/reviews/smar...arks-high-end-android-smartphones-40090081/2/

JIT doesnt play well Hummingbird.
[Fascinate General] Sherwood1:
Btw from now on deswolven i will be asking you to explain technically, go in depth with all your points, and please send me links of all your sources.

Only fair since you asked me to right?
[Fascinate General] thatdudebutch:
PWNED

(10 chars)
[Fascinate General] Daswolven:
Absolutely, and I will gladly do so. :) my main understanding of how JIT works goes all the way back to here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls0tM-c4Vfo&feature=youtube_gdata_player

In the meanwhile I will throw my hands up in despair after seeing ZDNet UK's Quadrant comparisons of a beta 2.2 rom. Lol.

I will say though, when I have 2.2 on my phone, if my quads look like that, I will be quite surprised.
[Fascinate General] adrynalyne:
Prepare to be surprised.
[Fascinate General] Daswolven:
Well, I suppose I have some reading to do. While I honestly don't trust comparisons like that, it's food for thought.

A soon as qualcomm rolls out a dual core, I may have to back to HTC.
[Fascinate General] blazingwolf:
Once again someone makes comparisons when they have no clue how it works for a specific device. Daswolven, you might want to stop. 2.2 on your Nexus can not give you any clues on how well it will run on a Fascinate.
[Fascinate General] Daswolven:
lol, apparently this is the case.
[Fascinate General] Sherwood1:
Deswolven that what these forums are for....so we can argue and yell at eachother. But in the end were all friends!!!! Happy Halloween guys!!
[Fascinate General] chopper the dog:
Back at ya buddy.

good day.
[Fascinate General] Daswolven:
Lol. Completely agreed. I apparently stood on a bad concept. Thanks for the clarification. :)
[Fascinate General] ksizzle9:
Daswolven. Im with you. I want to get the same boost ad the snapdragon but I don't see it happening because my Droid x didn't get that boost I expected. Its sad because the weakest processor out there seems to gain the most. I just can't wait til graphics intensive games drop and our phone has a USB input for ps3 games and plays them with no problems. I will say. The GPU alone makes this phone worth it. I love playing need for speed and getting all those good graphics with no slow down
[Fascinate General] Daswolven:
Well I've been googling my ass off and it makes more sense now. There are speculations that the delay is partly due to an effort to optimize the JIT code for the ARM 8. I hope that's the case.
[Fascinate General] ksizzle9:
Yeah that's what I've read and I hope they can get it right since they have taken their sweet rime but I don't see it happening
[Fascinate General] ivorycruncher:
Well, you're just a regular "glass is half full" kind of guy, aren't you? ;-)

We can speculate all you want, but really nobody here will know what performance boost the final release will bring until it's released, or gets leaked. The UK is supposed to be getting the update in early November, so thankfully we won't have long to wait before we start seeing some benchmarks from the official final build.
[Fascinate General] Daswolven:
Having now finally seen DX 2.2 benchmarks show up in quadrant, I would be happy to see something similar on the cpu side. While it isn't the boost I saw on my N1, it's still significant.
[Fascinate General] aecky01:
I'm definitely way over my head when it comes to the topics discussed in this thread, but could voodoo help with the less than impressive quadrant scores? Do the other HTC phones use the etx4 data partition that voodoo provides?

On another note, I think I'm more looking forward to Samsung fixing our basic complaints about the phone, GPS, lag, etc. that this update is supposed to be providing.
[Fascinate General] RayKinStL:
The article/graph are very misleading. While I agree we may not see the same gains the Nexus One saw, a comparison of the two is absurd. The article cleverly sneaks in the phrase "For the widespread Cortex-A8 cores, used in many high-end Android smartphones, the JIT compiler needs to be optimised." This is the reason 2.2 has been delayed. Samsung is optimizing everything for their Galaxy S line. To compare a BETA version of 2.2 on a Fascinate to a very well refined version of Froyo on N1, especially via CM where the mod community has put in countless hours of optimization, is silly. I certainly can't predict the gains we will see when 2.2 finally drops, and the community gets their hands on it, but I know this...the marvelous screen and seperate GPU leave me with no regrets moving from a Nexus One to the Fascinate. And once I can get a stock version of 2.2 (without Vzn bloatware "frozen", etc.), life will be good!
[Fascinate General] mailaliasgar:
NBench Results

I compared the NBench results for a Nexus One running froyo with the Fascinate. Since NBench is supposed to run native code, JIT (or lack thereof) shouldn't matter. Also, both phones have stock ROMS.

Here are the results:

Category Nexus One Fascinate

Memory 2.696 2.972

Integer 4.067 4.066

Float 0.923 0.78

The Nexus One does score better for floating point and this could be the result of the 128 bit FPU datapath on the Scorpions vs the 64 bit datapath on the Hummingbird.

The Fascinate scores better on the memory benchmark and I saw this on Quadrant as well.

It will be interesting to see what happens when we get Froyo.
[Fascinate General] adrynalyne:
Absurd is thinking that Froyo is delayed for optimization.
[Fascinate General] keith.mcintyre26:
Lets not forget chrome2phone. I LOVED it and used it daily. I get sad when I look at the upper right corner of my chrome window and see the little phone icon :( And flash for looking at Jim Carrey's site. Very flash intensive. Very Awesome. http://jimcarrey.com/
[Fascinate General] dangerismymiddlename.com:
JIT compilers make a massive difference regardless of processor.

What I don't understand is: why didn't Android come with JIT from day one. :-)
[Fascinate General] RacerXFD:
Sherwood1, you really need to go back to using a dumb phone so that we don't have to continue to hear your whining. Dumb phone will probably make you happy. No lag on those bad boys. They do what they were originally programmed to do...
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] neil_clavano:
Guys....

I need help on enabling EXT2 RFS Lag Fix.

I flashed Bionix Fusion 1.1 with the SSL Fix

I flashed Project Core v1 Kernel

I'm trying to enable the EXT2 RFS Lag Fix using the instructions on Team Whiskey's site.

adb shell --> DONE

su --> DONE

******Here's where I get stuck at********

mv /system/bin/userinit.sh /system/bin/used ---> Error saying "FAILED ON '/SYSTEM/BIN/USERINIT.SH' - NO SUCH FILE OR DIRECTORY

**********************************

Any ideas why this file isn't in the BIN folder? I checked via Root Directory and didnt find it at all. :mad:

Let me know.

Thank you
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] m00nshake:
I'm having this same error as well. Anybody know how to proceed? Also running Bionix 1.1 with Project Core kernel. Thanks in advance.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] StefanB86:
Those instructions are to disable EXT2 lagfix, you should follow this:
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] m00nshake:
Thanks StefanB86. I'll give it a shot! Just curious.. how can you see if this actually worked and if it actually running the lagfix?
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] icandy75:
Go to settings/sd card and phone storage. If your available space in application storage is less than 1gb then it worked. You can also run a quadrand test. Anything 1800 and up means its working.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] StefanB86:
^ what he said :D
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] m00nshake:
Fantastic... quad score 2806. Thanks for all of the help. :)
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] m00nshake:
Screen shot of quadrant score...
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hypes057:
i followed these, they are the same as they have been since the 2.1 releases (im on obsidian 4.2 stock kernel). i get up to:

mv /system/bin/used /system/bin/userinit.sh

but screen returns:

failed on 'system/bin/used' - no such file or directory

logic tells me i can create a file called used in system/bin but to be honest, i have no idea what the commands do and i really dont want to amplify any problems or create any for myself. so, any suggestions? See screen shot for adb.

http://screencast.com/t/9LNnqIHT6iOD
[Vibrant General] VICosPhi:
So I have Vibrant with a fresh Bionix fusion 1.1 install and whenever I turn bluetooth on, it takes 10 to 15 seconds to be switched on. It takes 2 seconds on stock JI6.

Any suggestions? Is this a known/widespread issue?
[Vibrant General] s44suman:
hello

guys whats upppp

i just finally got a samsung vibrant soo excited

this is like a 40000 year update from my dumb phone to android :O

just sayin HI :)
[Vibrant General] kangxi:
Congrats. I upgraded from a G1 so it wasn't THAT bad.

But hey, Android smart phones are a lot different than regular dumb pbones. Make sure you do your research about how your pbine actually works to save yourself some headache.
[Vibrant General] nomadrider123:
Welcome Now the fun begins :D A bit of advice read read and read some more. Here is a good place to start http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=732458

Also before posting any questions seach it will save you from getting slammed :eek: lol

Enjoy :cool:
[Vibrant General] allthrottle:
Congratulations on your new phone! It's one if the best out right now, and has hardware that's good enough to keep it decent for awhile.

One thing; don't pay much attention to "vibrant vs x phone" debates. They're cool to read just to find out what options other phones have and how they compare, but don't let them change your mind about your purchase. Vibrants are awesome!

Sent from my Team Whiskey Powered Vibrant
[Vibrant General] oka1:
Congrats

congrats you will love the phone. Remember to post questions in the Q & A section look over some of the stickies posts (usually at the top of each forum division.

some easy fun things from the market to play with to familiarize you with the phone

Down load speed test. This app runs a speed connection test download and upload. Neat to see different areas speed connection

Get the XDA app to stay informed.

Wheres my droid. I like this one as if you misplace your phone you text it and it raises the phone ring volume to max and rings (this has been useful for me).

Sd card speed tester. This will test the read write of your sd card.

There are bunch more great things but these are fun.
[Vibrant General] kuhan:
I moved from the a dumb phone to an SDA to an iPhone to the Vibrant, so they weren't totally huge jumps lol
[Vibrant General] Emama:
If I were you I will stay until 11/8 to see what is new
[Vibrant General] s44suman:
Thanks guys nd I have a question 4 u guys so I got an update from tmobile and after I accepted it some application were gone and remember when u press nd hold the home button u have a task manager thimg rite nd after the update it was gone =(
[Vibrant General] kangxi:
You were reverted back to the original firmware. It is happening a lot for some reason. Why don't know why. They may be getting ready to push out another OTA.

If you really want the update back you can use ODIN to push it back. Check the Bible over in the development section. But I would wait. We may be getting Froyo tonight.
[Vibrant General] s44suman:
Lol uep excited abt that thamk u :)
[Vibrant General] Only Loki:
You should just for the heck of it. And then play around with some minor modding to get the hang of things.
[Vibrant General] kangxi:
Cancel the Froyo.

Here is all you need:

ODIN 1.7:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=8863820&postcount=138

JI6:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=8506477&postcount=1

No pit file needed.

Put your phone into download mode:

Plug phone into USB

Turn it off

wait til battery icon appears

Hold down both volume buttons and power.

As SOON as battery icon disappears let go of power button.

Should see big yellow sign.

Open ODIN, place the PDA file as the JI6 tar file you downloaded above and go for it.
[Vibrant General] s44suman:
Dudei m like almost in the verge of getting adicted to this site i just want to point out that ppl in dis site r genious. But yea i m just looking around the site saving favorete forums :p sry about my english tou lol not been here so long
[Desire HD General] NoEnd:
hello guys,

i'm currently not sure about what i'm thinking, my Desire HD order will probably arrive at 15th November, and the new phone is going to be announced at the 8th... so should i cancel my order and wait for the new Samsung phone? or keep waiting??

i dont even want to wait for the releasing period for the new Samsung, which i think i may get it by December???!!!!

oh God:D
[Desire HD General] SupremeBeaver:
im in the exact situation! but this is what i plan on doing.

Keep my order, get the desire and play around with it. I'll see what Samsung announce, if it's much better and a worthy upgrade from the DHD then i'll put it up on eBay. Im sure i won't make much of a loss selling it there. Some people pay crazy money :p

But ultimatly what's most important to me is root, and if the devs here can't crack the DHD's protection, then i'll have little choice but to sell and get the N2.
[Desire HD General] kingcedz:
Wren nexus one was released the phone was available the same day as the announcement. There has been talk that google will be selling it direct again this time round though I m not convinced it ll be on the same day. However, there shouldn't be long wait like DHD.

Personally I m not sure if it ll be a better phone, as I hated everything there is about Galaxy S. It ll basically be Gingerbread vs almighty DHD on Froyo, assuming HTC won't be bothered to update DHD to gingerbread any time soon. I m sticking with DHD for now unless Samsung has real trick up it's sleeve this time. I find it hard to convince myself to put up with another dreadful Galaxy S alike experience.

Sigh.. Only if HTC is more ethusiatic about it's software upgrade and Motorola is more keen about Android...
[Desire HD General] Uck761:
Sansung's got really nice hardware(only nice in figures) but their system craps,will think about it if it will get a none plastic-like surface and system designed by google itself.
[Desire HD General] LeviathanPT:
So far the news ive read tell that in terms of hardware its not good, it will be more of a developer test machine since it brings 2.3.
[Desire HD General] kingcedz:
I think Google is committing suicide by letting Samsung handle Nexus Two
[Desire HD General] LeviathanPT:
Speculation so far:

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- Stock Google Android 2.3 (Gingerbread)- 1.2 GHz processor (mostly overclocked Hummingbird or may be different model)
- 4 inch AMOLED display (Could be Super-AMOLED version)
- 5 megapixel camera with autofocus and HD video capture, front-facing camera
- 512 MB RAM, 16 GB internal storage
- Support for multiple carriers
- All the usuals like WiFi, Bluetooth, 3.5 mm headset jack, etc.
- Outer casing is a mix of metal and plastic materials

[/FONT][/COLOR]
[Desire HD General] Seanambers:
I had a Nexus that was stolen from me, god how i miss that phone :(

As a replacement i am getting the Desire HD through the insurance i had on the Nexus.

However having been on the gravy train that is Android Dev phones (G1 & Nexus one) i must say that the Desire HD doesn't seem to be a worthy upgrade from the nexus, i was pretty psyched in the beginning about the Desire HD but the more i learn about it the less it appeals to me.

The screen isn't Amoled; the touch sensor isn't unlimited like i assume it will be on the Nexus two (Galaxy S :Atmel maXtouchsensor),

The battery is not 1500mha - honestly even if the cpu is much more power efficient than the old generation cpu's why not throw in a bigger battery?

And no front facing camera which in itself isn't a deal breaker but cmon, its not like we are buying budget phones here anyways...

As already mentioned possibly only one software upgrade during it's life time which to be honest is quite average however Google Dev phones always has the latest & greatest.

Not to bash on the Desire HD, but honestly its just a EVO with a new CPU minus the frontfacing camera and kickstand.

I will most probably test out the Desire HD and and change to Nexus Two if it seems better in some of these aspects.
[Desire HD General] LeviathanPT:
Evo 4G is prettier, i would change from a DHD to a Evo 4G or incredible HDin a snap if it wasnt not being able to use it in europe. Why HTC only makes good phones for the US ?! Why are we treated like **** !?
[Desire HD General] Roopney:
you might as well ask why did the us implement WCDMA or 4G while the rest of the world is stil 3.5G (even in Japan..i think)??

they cater to the specific market needs.

same as Japanese mobile carriers, they only produced their phones for their markets in consideration only.

which is why they are highly sought for
[Desire HD General] El_Nino9:
thats just your opinion of things

Europe get the release first for nearly all HTC phones.

the US get rebranded versions. they also get some different phones because they use rubbish CDMA technology.

people hating on the desire hd, if you own one/owned one and played with it and made the comments fair enough. until then you have no right what so ever to "review" a phone you haven't used.

i own one for over a week and i have to say its a great phone.

the phone does have root,be it temporary at the moment but things have to start from somewhere. i don't see the average user like some people here trying to obtain root, but moan and demand it.

i don't see the nexus two being an all awesome phone. the nexus one's bootloader got unlocked with 1 click because it was a development phone but it voided the warranty. how many people are going to risk that with a samsung built device?
[Desire HD General] Thyrus:
absolutely my thinking. I already have the DHD, but if the protection cannot be unlocked, and the specs of the "Nexus two" are OK/confirmed, I have not choice as to sell the DHD. Having had the Nexus One (and still owning it), I am no longer tolerating manufacturers lock-downs! That is a no-go for me nowadays.

Plus: I HATE the speaker on the DHD - (same XXX as on the nexus one). And I really have a bad feeling about these plastic covers on the DHD (only a matter of time until they wear out).

If the "nexus two" has a decent design and better materials (less plastic than the iphone-look-alike Galaxy S), my decision is made...
[Desire HD General] LeviathanPT:
Yes that's true but im talking in terms of quality, look at the Incredible HD (desire hd for US) and look how perfect it is compared with the Desire HD

Review ?! What the freaking hell, im talking in terms of product Quality/Design, from every single review and comment ive read theres flaws with the design of the Desire HD, look at EVO 4G and Incredible HD they are brilliant, the EVO 4G came up before the Desire HD any decent company would grab their design and improve it, not make it more ridiculous.

Ive ordered a Desire HD since the day 2 of its announcement then amazon screwed their customers and now im waiting on handtec 3rd shipment so you cant say im a anti Desire HD... freaking fanboys are starting already...
[Desire HD General] FernandoMiguel:
512? dont think so...

DHD already has 786. and 1GB will be required for 3.x
[Desire HD General] LeviathanPT:
1GB ?! :| What the hell where have you read that ?! Link please!
[Desire HD General] FernandoMiguel:
i havent.

its what i would expect from it.
[Desire HD General] jkoljo:
Hey, even Windows 7 can run on 1 gb of memory :)

Android 3.0 will run on lot less.