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[Windows Phone 7 General] Tom Servo:
People are blowing AMOLED out of proportion. Remember that the WP7 UI is pretty text and contrast heavy. The Pentile pattern in AMOLED lends itself well to pictures, but not at all to text. You'll be having color fringing on all text.

If you go with SLCD, you might have a little light bleed on dark surfaces, that's mostly just noticeable when it's pretty dark around you, but you get really sharp text and no in-your-face colors (yeah, AMOLED has vibrant colors, but they're annoying with time).

Also, when lit up bright, AMOLED draws way more power than SLCD. If a majority of your activity is browsing the web, you'll be dealing mostly with websites that have white or bright backgrounds.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jedix:
yer i've scoured youtube like a hooker lol all the vids are kinda the same so wanted someone with a voice now :) think i'm gonna swap to sammy. HTC hub isnt even that good yet anyway so that's no loss.
[Windows Phone 7 General] arturobandini:
The problem with S-Amoled:

S-Amoled is great for black. Because the contrast is very high and the black will be truly black.

But on the contrary S-Amoled will not be good for white. It's kind of blue.

Therefore it will be more difficult to read the text on webpages than with lcd.

Also S-Amoled is supposed to consume more battery when the screen displays white color (e.g. when you browse on the Internet).

S-Amoled is also weaker when you are outside.

****

Why you would not wait for the DELL Venue Pro. I think it will be the best WP7 device? ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] jedix:
omnia 7 and if thats not upto scrath then i'm going desire HD again on android.

BTW the 8MP camera on the htc seems pretty crap, lots of blur and unviewable pics even though its clear on the screen. There's a long delay with the 2 flashes and the pic taking which makes it terrible. Thats with the default settings though as i've not touched it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] arturobandini:
Omnia or Mozart? Are ou kidding?

The Omnia 7 is one of the best WP7 device on the market. The Mozart just an average phone.

Omnia 7 definitely. for the quality of the camera, for the quality of the screen, for the bigger battery, etc.
[Windows Phone 7 General] davidebanks:
the sound dosnt seem to be that loud on my samsung omnia 7 either. im goona try different headphones.......
[Windows Phone 7 General] Milky1:
How are you finding the Omnia 7? I have a HD7 I bought a week ago and am unhappy with it, I'm thinking of returning it and getting a Omnia 7 instead.
[Windows Phone 7 General] kille9:
The only thing i'm concerned about is the camera...I really like both phones. And in my opinion the only diffrences is the display and the camera. I know the diffrences between SAMOLED and SLCD...So the only thing missing is the diffrence in camera.

Is the Mozart 8mp camera better, or is the omnia 5mp camera better.

Could someone, whos tried both tell me his/hers opinion.

I know omina have more camera options, but does that give omina better pictures than mozart.

And how about startup time, from pocket to actually taking the picture.

Mozart have a LED flash, omnia has camera light only, does that give mozart advantage?

So if someone can help me in not buying the wrong device...
[Windows Phone 7 General] ericc191:
I can tell you right now the Omnia will have a better camera. It's not about pixels. The sensor is what matters and HTC's usually are pretty bad.
[Windows Phone 7 General] kille9:
I agree that HTC camera usually are pretty bad...But what about now?

Is Omnia the better one? I know that the sensor are the key feature here...But still 8mp are more than 5 mp...

But which one is the sharpest?
[Windows Phone 7 General] gingepaul79:
I got the Omnia 7 nearly 2 weeks ago and can say without a shadow of a doubt its better than and HTC device Ive ever owned (from early win mo, to android, its been HTC all the way for me - just to provide evidence of non bias).

The camera is excellent on the Omnia, for both pics and video (I'm editing some bonfire night footage right now so will link to it once done), will also link to some random shots taken in different environments.

From boot time, to general use the phone is simply blazingly fast - and from what I read in another post it seems that samsung used Nand memory in this phone, hence the blazing speeds for games and boot (opposed to built in SD card).

The only negative is its 8GB, and thats it, but I never intended my phone to hold a musical backup nor do I see it as a grind to swap out music thats getting tired, videos are another story as they are generally a 'watch once' media (especially on the phone).

I cant faukt sound quality, I moved from a hero and the difference on audio quality is astounding (mainly use it in the car using the stereo audio in), brilliant.

The screen, well - this is simply astounding, its so clear, no blurring like people have mentioned and the colours are brilliant, to the point where non techy and techy folks are WOW'd by it completely! its my iPhone killer ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] ericc191:
Cool, I look forward to seeing some pictures and video if you recorded some.
[Windows Phone 7 General] seekdestroy:
I've bad my omnia 7 since release date, and it's absolutely amazing. The screen is perfect, I've had no trouble in the sun, no bluey whites that people have mentioned. Also there is no problem with text at all. The phone is really nippy, and much better than other phones running off SD cards.

I also tested out the camera a lot, and love it. The pictures are amazing quality.

I also took some firework footage in 720p, i need to edit it together too. Only one thing i can fault when recording, sometimes the auto focus stopped focusing on the fireworks, which is understandable i guess. i was surprised how well it picked them up anyway. It always managed to pick up the lasers too. (please note this is coming from a complete novice to taking videos).

But overall the 720p video footages is amazing, especially from a phone :O

*EDIT*

Forgot to add, the favourite bit about my phone is the screen, because it is just amazing, when the blacks are so true, you can't see where the edge of the screen is, it blends in with the phone, what iphone can do that?!
[Windows Phone 7 General] hboos:
First things first, I have the Omnia 7 and I love it. But at the same time, I know it's not going to be for everyone!

Everyone is waxing lyrical about the screen. The screen is indeed fantastic and especially with the black theme with coloured highlights and white text of WP7, the screen really is something to behold.

But having said that, there are factors which people should consider when getting this phone.

Sure it is faster than phones using the microSD cards but which would you rather have? 5GB of usable space, or upgradeable capacity?

For some, 5GB is not going to cut it...a few albums and a few videos and that's your phone full.

You can upgrade the likes of HD7 with a higher capacity card and it will run a little slower than the Omnia 7 but at least you will have most of your music stored on it.

so it's down to screen and speed vs capacity.

like I mentioned before, I have my dedicated mp3 players for music so the Omnia 7 is perfect for me.

If for some reason you prefer the below par sound that your phone will give you and would like to use your phone for music, then I'd have a good think!

plus the HD7 and Mozart screens (esp the latter) are really good.. just don't look at the Omnia 7 screen first!
[Windows Phone 7 General] Phone Titan:
Can someone upload some of the footage?

It will be interesting to see what it looks like.
[Windows Phone 7 General] paperclips:
Omnia 7 is the best WP out there. If it had a microSD card slot like the Samsung Focus or the Dell Venue Pro it would be perfect.
[Windows Phone 7 General] kille9:
Ok thanks for all replies...But still its only Omnia users who has given their opinion..

I would like some Mozart users give their opinion on the picture quality.

I would still like to know how the flash works in both models...

Is the LED flash of Mozart better...or?
[Windows Phone 7 General] turricann:
personally not seen omnia but not impressed with pictures on Mozart only time it looks 1/2 good is when everything is still.
[Windows Phone 7 General] TheShowStopper:
guys i have the same quandry... my story goes like this.

Had Mozart in my hand... set it all up, Zune installed on pc, the lot. Did what tunes i wanted and then low and behold, i had a call. yey! brilliant i thought... at least now i have a chance to hear the audio quality first hand... wasn't bad... problem was (and take into account this is a brand spanking new phone we're on about here), the caller couldn't hear me!!! great, so it's faulty... back it goes! this after 2 weeks of being messed about over a naffy slow Touch 3G... anyway, to cut a long story short, i'm still waiting on new stock from Orange, being called ona daily basis and now i see that the Omnia is 'better' but... in what way/s??? what are the main dif's that make it better? i see no variation in memory (i mean neither can accept an sd slot etc can it), the Qualcom chips are the same 1gig... both on moby 7... so... well can someone sum this up for me please cus if there's no real variety so to speak, when i get my call in the morning about 10am, i'll be telling them to wave bye bye to the Mozart and gimme the Sammy Omnia cus i'm basically fed up of being fobbed off and delayed... i want a handset to use that is NOT a Nokia 5300 Xpress Music!!! yes i'm having to use that thing!

So bottom line time folks... someone point me in the direction of one or the other please???

Many thanks in advance, TSS :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] Silent Shark:
I'd like to add my voice to the list of happy Omnia 7 owners. I've had mine for a few weeks now, and I love it. Build quality it fantastic, SAMOLED looks fantastic, battery life is solid, WP7 is doing me nicely...

However, you mention that 'poor loudspeaker volume' is one of the reasons you are not happy with the Mozart. I'd have to say I've found the Omnia's speakerphone to be pretty poor too. The speaker seems fine for occasional music playback, watching videos and for hearing ringtones/beeps etc., but for phone calls it's very much lacking. My cheap £15 house phone has a better speakerphone.

It's not a big deal for me as I very rarely use it, but if you're a regular user of the speakerphone, then you may have to consider another device altogether.
[Windows Phone 7 General] hboos:
SAMOLED looks a lot better if you tone down the brightness... even on the Medium setting it is too bright.

i think exaggeration goes both ways...some people think SAMOLED is the best thing...other people say it looks really bad especially with text and that the colours are horrible.

the fact is it is up to you and your eyes which you prefer.

the Metro UI looks good on SAMOLED and even though it is text heavy, there is absolutely no problem with rendering.

also pentile matrix is okay unless you insist on reading things with a small font..although i don't know why you'd want to strain for that long on a 4" screen in the first place!

SLCD has more toned down colours and is sharper and I can't really fault it at all

But for me, I prefered the look of the metro UI on SAMOLED than on SLCD (on Mozart)
[Windows Phone 7 General] GenkaiMade:
As far as I'm concerned - as a Mozart owne -the only thing better about the Omnia, is that the screen is bigger - provided you actually want a bigger screen that is - which I don't. Both screen types have enough advantages over the other that it doesn't really make a difference in proper use of it. Beyond the screen though, the Mozart wins in every field: build quality, camera, flash etc etc.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Spybreak:
The Omnia's camera is leagues better than the Mozart's. HTC is known for using crappy image sensors on all their phones and the Mozart is no exception.

The Omnia/Focus have the best cameras on any WP7 phones out there.

As for the rest I can't really say as I haven't handled the Mozart, but having had a Trophy and an HD7 to compare, the Omnia wins in my eyes, even though I hate the pentile matrix on the samoled screen.
[Windows Phone 7 General] GenkaiMade:
Your omnia/focus' must have ridiculously good cameras then, because although I know , MP means nothing without a good lens etc, the photos that my Mozart is taking couldn't be better as far as I'm concerned! I'll try and link to some example photos :)

edit:

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/10/htc7mozartcam10202010.jpg

http://www.engadget.com/photos/htc-7-mozart-sample-still-shots/#3484611

http://www.engadget.com/photos/htc-7-mozart-sample-still-shots/#3484613
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
I'm finding the camera on my HD7, only 5MP, to be quite excellent. And since the Mozart is also made by HTC, I can imagine it being outstanding.
[Windows Phone 7 General] arturobandini:
- The Metro UI looks better on the sharp S-AMOLED than on the SLCD screen

- Flash NAND storage is faster and more reliable than SD card: http://wmpoweruser.com/load-times-s...samsung-focus-with-microsd-card-installed/ovi

- Samsung Omnia is known to have high quality camera & video, whereas HTC's cameras are often crappy: http://wmpoweruser.com/samsung-focus-video-samples-impressive/

- 1.500mAh battery is obviously better than a limited 1.300mAh battery

I cannot even understand how someone can hesitate between these 2 devices... :confused: ?? Samsung rocks :p.
[Windows Phone 7 General] hybor:
To be honest i owned a touch diamond before an when i compare the pics of my diamond wich is only 3.2 mp whith the ones my x10 does they r quite good for a htc cam. But i have to admit that the pics of my wifes sammsung wave are waaaaaayyy better.;-)
[Windows Phone 7 General] TheShowStopper:
Well to add a few more pence worth... see my signiture... i'm Omnia hunting in the morning cus i'm sick of the Mozart letting me down... 3 weeks between forst faulty device and 2nd is bad enough, but both of them being new (not refurbs) makes me wonder what the hell HTC or ever Orange are doing to them... sorry HTC, i've been a loyal fan for over 3 years from Kaisers to Touch's and the likes but if this is anything to go by... well i'm going to go 'buy' a Sammy and see if that's better quality... can't be any worse for sure! Will let you know my findings if and when i get one and when it arrives :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] jabberworx:
I went with an Omnia 7 despite up until almost the last moment I wanted to get a HTC phone and was looking into getting the HD7.

What put me off the HTCs was not a fault in them, it was more an advantage with the omnia: The screen.

The quality of the colour output on my Omnia 7 is absolutely stunning, when put next to the other WP7 phones you can see the difference.

As far as I can see pretty much all the WP7 devices are spec'd the same and are interchangeable as far as performance goes so little things like a slightly better camera and a better screen are what makes the big differences.
[Windows Phone 7 General] denizen08:
My thoughts exactly when I was picking at all the WP7 devices that was released. I don't know about Dell Venue Pro though, but I'm good with my Samsung Focus. I just have to be a bit more patient... 1 more day. =))
[Windows Phone 7 General] ck37:
I actually have both. Long story but here are the pro's and cons I have had.

Samsung:

The S-Amoled screen is very bright and clear, but the colors are a bit over-saturated. Some people like this, but at times it can be a bit too much.

Battery life on the Samsung is better, but not by leaps and bounds. There is a trick I found with the Mozart that improved battery life quite significantly :)

The camera on the Omnia is good, but slow. You cannot move at all otherwise the pics are blurry. I believe it has to do to with the size of the button, and how much you have to press to snap a picture. Even Anti-Shake doesn't help much. If you want to take a pic of a fast moving object forget about it. This camera wont help much.

Body design: The Omnia looks great in pics, feels solid, but its not that ergonomic. I also finds it quite slippery because the back part of the phone is smooth metal, so you have no grip. A couple of times I almost dropped it just trying to pull it out of my pocket.

Speed of the phone: For some reason its slower than the mozart when browsing apps or some third party applications. Some graphics take more time to load. Maybe I have a bad device, but both the Mozart and HD7 seem faster in this regard. However games do load a bit faster.

Mozart,

S-LCD screen displays in my opinion, more accurate colors. the blacks are not as prominent as the Samsung, but its not a deal breaker. you wont notice unless side by side.

Camera: HTC tends to up the blues in their processing of pics and as a result, it sometimes gives a bit of a washed out look depending on the lighting etc. However the xenon flash is more accurate in darker surroundings and the camera is overall a bit faster than the Samsung. Even though there is no anti-shake option in the HTC camera settings, I believe it's on all the time. Pics turn out well when you get the sweet spot. You might need to adjust colors a bit in post, but I prefer that then having many blurry pics that I can't use. Prefer using the mozart camera overall.

Construction:

Mozart has a unibody design and you can definitely feel the difference. Also its an easier phone to hold. Rubber coated plastic on the top by the camera and battery cover is enough to grip the phone solid. If you like the Nexus One design you will like the Mozart.

Also because of the shape and size, its easier to operate with one hand.

Battery life: there are reports about Telstra and issues with the APN etc. I use the Mozart on a different carrier than its sold with and I have found if you enter the APN manually, can use iphone APNs for reference, the battery improves a lot. First couple of days, 6 to 8 hours I was out. After the APN settings I went a full day and then some without a charge.

Speed: like I said earlier, the HTC phones seem to navigate faster in some instances. I have no other proof than just daily use.

Conclusion: both are good phones, The Samsung will grab your attention first because of the screen, but once you get past that, daily usage aside, I find myself using the Mozart much more.
[Windows Phone 7 General] knave:
Thanks for the review ck37!

First of all I don't own any WP7 phones *yet*. But I've went to check out both the Mozart and Omnia in the shops and played with them extensively.

The Mozart's unibody is really very solid and nice to hold. The screen is actually pretty good.

The Omnia's extra 0.3" is in the length of the phone, which might make it too long. The SAMOLED screen displays eye popping colors, but if you stare too much, it can get a bit annoying. Also, the Pentile matrix used by Samsung results in blurry text as compared with the Mozart's SLCD. Plus the screen auto-dims a slight notch when transiting from dark background to white background.

I've also noticed that if you look carefully and closely, you can see strange hues (or pixels) on the SAMOLED screen when you are in the white background, no thanks to the Pentile matrix.

So if you are like me, a mainly text-reader, then the Mozart sounds like a better choice. SAMOLED may be good for pictures and videos, but how often do you look at them anyway? But again, that depends on your own individual usage pattern.
[Windows Phone 7 General] comeradealexi:
The screen on the Omnia 7 is just fantastic and the camera takes really great shots!! HIGHLY RECOMMENDED
[Windows Phone 7 General] deeken:
The Omnia 7 looks beautiful and I would love to play with that, but since I'm in the US I won't get that opportunity unless I pay a fortune for one on eBay.
[Windows Phone 7 General] denizen08:
I finally got my Samsung Focus today, and I must say I am totally impressed. The screen is simply stunning. I don't know what was with that S-Amoled demo I saw only a week ago, but the Focus does a wonderful job at maximizing not only the real estate of the screen but of the colors as well.

Since your original question was whether a Mozart or an Omnia, go for Omnia 7!!!

The real difference with those models are the screen technology of Samsung. And really, I'm out of words to explain just how impressed I am with the Focus, what more with the Omnia 7 which I understand is even sturdier looking. :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] shamreez:
You forgot to add the most important thing,

Mozart is so beautifull unlike the samsung which is pretty ugly.

You leave both the phones side by side with screen off and no one would give a second glance to Samsung. (Personal choice)
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mish12:
Hello, and welcome myself to this wonderful forum.

Let me introduce myself:

My name is Mish , im a 100% dumbass

Also BIG! thanks for sh1tty cyan's wiki about flashing with dangerspl.

Let me tell you my story:

In a cold night, a boy tried to update his G1 to android 2.2 , updated dreaimg.nbh , rooted the device, installed recovery image . that boy was so excited his 1st android, his 1st up mod.

but that boy was upset, didnt wanted to get his update.zip installed because of the status 7 error. well done , he just looked into the cyan's bloody wiki and he found the magic archive called Danger SPL.

flashed it , rebooted it and stucked into G1 T-mobile Splash screen .. he was like . ah , allrite, i'l reboot and enter to recovery mode . but he cannot do that.

He was so anger . he kissed his keyboard with 2 gently strikes. and searched for hours for solutions but nothing found.

I dont have pages to write the whole story. Aka the end.

in other words, can i get my device working or should i give him wings to fly straight on the garbage can ?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] johnson8cyl:
Can you get into fastboot mode? Also i think in the instructions it tells you to flash the radio first. I could be wrong but several people have successfully rooted their device with the instructions given here on xda. Welcome to xda btw.

John
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mish12:
Hello John, i can't enter to fastboot mode or i dont know , it shows me just the T-mobile G1 Splash screen and nothing more, tried with Camera + Power, Volume + Power, Home + Power and still nothing . if you have any hints please share, regards.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] johnson8cyl:
Can you reboot holding back and power and get into fastboot?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mish12:
nope , is stucked in G1 splash screen
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] joeyhza:
I did the same thing and had the same problem - had to replace the motherboard. There is NO WAY to fix it except to replace the mainboard. Good Luck
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DUBsays:
Is my phone a goner?

I wasn't trying to root or modify my phone in any way. It started flickering and then went black. Now...

Phone does not power on. Not with power button or any combo (camera+power; home+power; etc).

No LED notification. Not even orange when charging.

Eventually starts in tri-color/rainbow/RGB Bootloader ON ITS OWN (no keystrokes). Sometimes after 1 min, sometimes after 20+. Once in Bootloader, it stays there. If it's plugged in and charging, the Bootloader stays on even after battery pull.

Bootloader says:

DREA100 PVT 32B

HBOOT-0.95.0000

CPLID-4

RADIO-2.22.23.02

Sep 2 2008

Serial0

Reformatted SD card and installed original SPL (renamed install.zip) and DREAIMG.nbh to the SD's root. When my phone eventually started in Bootloader (on its own), it went into the install phase, completed, and asked for reboot. I pressed the trackball (action button), it rebooted, and hasn't done a thing since.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] borodin1:
Cyan's wiki is one of the most well written, organized and constanly updated around. Don't blame wiki for something that you did.

Take a look at http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php?title=Dream:DangerSPL#Flashing_DangerSPL, how can anyone miss this?

Congrats on your new paperweight.