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[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Sad thing is people are willing to accept mediocrity. They're best solution to everything WP7 is to say , its coming. Or they down play another OS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] AceofSpades25:
Archives?? (e.g. rar/zip/ace etc.)

Game save files??

Bluetooth??

FTP Managers??

Download utilities??

Torrents??
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
Completely agree!
[Windows Phone 7 General] crow26:
In this case, you can't even say it's coming. This is the single biggest problem with WP7, it makes the OS all but useless and it will never be solved, because it's all about protecting copyrighted content. They don't care that the user experience is a nightmare, as long as they can lock down their content.

That's why closed systems suck.

You know how easy it is to copy or sync anything (!!!) to an Android phone? A breeze. And you get the choice! A simple drag&drop? Or do you prefer a sync software like Windows Media Player? You have more than one computer that you want to sync with? No problem. The open OS does it and it's incredibly easy and user friendly.

Microsoft must change their policies before it's too late. We don't want another Apple.
[Windows Phone 7 General] welki1979:
I can't believe that this arguement is still going.

We had all of this when they first announced WP7. Have people not done their research?!?!?

It sounds to me like you're all expecting too much from an OS designed FOR THE MASSES not people as technical as us.

Windows Embedded Compact (7) was announded at the same time but people seem to have forgotton about that. IT is designed for people like us...well enterprise mainly. Allowing file system access, installation of 3rd party apps etc and also having some of the features of WP7.

Here's some past links:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=705248

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=706387

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsembedded/en-us/products/windowsce/compact7.mspx
[Windows Phone 7 General] AceofSpades25:
Nows the right time for the dev community to petition Microsoft. They have a forum for this and they *say* they are listening to our feedback.

Just like the Android developers did, if there are enough of us asking for it, they will have to listen.

http://forums.create.msdn.com/forums/98.aspx
[Windows Phone 7 General] crow26:
@welki1979

You don't get it.

It's not about digging through folders. No "normal" user wants to do that. It's about ease of use, which is important to everyone.

The lack of file system access makes the user experience a nightmare. Not because you can't dig through folders, but because you cant just copy a file like an ebook to the phone and read it there. Instead, you will need complicated workarounds like emailing files to yourself.

Other things will even remain impossible.

"The masses" don't want to jailbreak their phones. They don't want complex workarounds. They just want their stuff on the phone, but WP7 doesn't let them!

File system access is NOT a "pro" feature! It's a feature for "the masses", because it makes the phone easier to use.
[Windows Phone 7 General] AceofSpades25:
Welki... it does not complicate the UI or make the phone any more difficult to use to allow the user the *option* of managing their file system if they choose to do so.

You say we should use WEC, but where are all the great devices that run it. We don't want a full blown version of windows on a device, we want something sexy and finger friendly (like WP7) that is powerful and unlimited at the same time.

This isnt too much to ask for, it could be done easily by MS
[Windows Phone 7 General] crow26:
It's not even about managing files. Just look at Android: You never have to dig through folders and arrange files. The OS does everything for you.

(of course you have the option to do it, but that's not the point here)

On Android, it doesn't matter where the files are located on the phone. What does matter is how easy it is to put them onto the phone.

That's why file system access is important. Android makes it incredibly easy to put any content onto the phone, because it allows file system access and does the job of indexing the files for you.

"Normal" users don't want to dig through folders. But they want their content on the phone and they don't want silly workarounds like emailing files to themselves, just because the phone doesn't allow file system access.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rruffman:
when you say "normal" users are you speaking of the the majority or the few who are on xda. because ios has never allowed file access and where is it today?
[Windows Phone 7 General] crow26:
I am speaking about the majority. Those who don't want silly workarounds. Those who just want their phone to work.

I don't know whether you've ever used an iPhone, but the lack of file system has in fact created huge issues there. Every time you download an app you have to figure out how the f*ck to get the content onto the phone, because the ***** phone doesn't allow file system access and ***** iTunes doesn't support the files you want.

"Normal" people don't want that. They don't want to figure out how to put the content onto the phone every time they download a new app. They just want it to work.

Apple and Microsoft don't care about the users. They just want to protect their copyrighted music and videos, that's why the don't allow users to touch the files on the device. They don't give a ***** about the users.

With an Android phone, no matter what content you want to put onto the phone, you just drag&drop it there and you're done. Everyone knows how to do that, because everyone knows how to use USB flash drives.

Or if you want to download a document from the web, you just click "download" and you're done. It's immediately there in all the apps that are associated with that document (e.g. Adobe Reader), because Android does everything for you. It's incredibly simple.

You can't do that with an iPhone or WP7 phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] AceofSpades25:
There are a lot of people that jail break ios precisely because of this.

It is popular, because they got the UI right at a time when there were no better options. Because of this, loads of developers got on board, with so many devs, the app concept became the bigest driver for iPhone sales.

If IOS had allowed file access, it would only be in a stronger position. As it is, many technical users hate the platform because of this. It is starting to loose out to android because of this
[Windows Phone 7 General] crow26:
Many people hate iOS for the lack of file system access. Not only technical users. It would have been a much bigger issue, but iOS had no competition in 2007/08, that's why people put up with the problem.

Today, there's a lot of competition and people aren't going to accept such issues, which make the user experience suck.
[Windows Phone 7 General] welki1979:
I would say this is probably down to developers.

iTunes for idevices does allow transfering of files, just not file system access. For example: programs like VLC...BUT vlc had to be approved by Apple and Apple allowed direct file transfering via iTunes.

This will probably come from MS with apps too. The feature is probably there but not without a suitable app for it....correction -- - "suitable APPROVED app" (that can plug into Zune)

Going on what you're saying 'normal users' would prefer this method...not file system access....like those with iPhones (seeing as it's easier to drag into iTunes/Zune than go through folders).

For the time being, there's also things like Dropbox which is used by a lot of people I know with iPhones and Android devices to transfer files....I have it on my iPad, and the link on my HD2 so I can transfer stuff (seeing as bluetooth transfers between apple and non-apple devices doesn't work)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sir. Haxalot:
What most people more specifically hate is iTunes.

Even if it's a problem that developers doesn't have file system access, I think that you are exaggerating this a bit.
[Windows Phone 7 General] crow26:
Keep dreaming... Apple has never added any third party file type to iTunes.

It's not a problem with developers, it's a problem with Microsoft and Apple. Those two companies value copyrights more than user experience, that's all.

Oh and LOL @ "exaggerating"! Have you ever used an iPhone? The lack of file system access is a huge issue for "normal" users. Dropbox or emailing files to oneself are just a crappy workarounds. No regular user wants to do such things.

Power users can at least jailbreak or find difficult workarounds. For normal users the lack of file system access stinks even more. It completely ruins the user experience.
[Windows Phone 7 General] welki1979:
VLC on the iPad supports transfering files from your PC through iTunes to watch you normal video files without converting them.

You should also look at 'USB Disk for iPad' (also an Apple approved app on the appstore - and FREE) which allows transferring anything to the iPad via iTunes. All I was saying is that this is probably the route MS will take with Zune.
[Windows Phone 7 General] AceofSpades25:
Yes, but all of these solutions (including dropbox) will only allow you to import a file into an individual applications isolated storage area. You could never use that file in a different application to the one you imported it with.

You might argue that this would allow your phone to be used as a portable storage device, but it is not very portable if the computer you're using to transfer files to the phone has to have special software installed.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Aerik:
Im not too educated but would Microsoft's cloud services such as Skydrive be a easy workaround?

But I really want file system access as well. WP7 OS has so much potential but they just need to open up more. For example, no custon skinning, no custom ringtones(as of now), lack of settings such as disabling auto-hide for taskbar and file system acess! grrr c'mon m$!
[Windows Phone 7 General] AceofSpades25:
It could be an awkward work around... i'm still waiting to find out whether 3rd party apps will be able to access a users sky drive
[Windows Phone 7 General] Iridox:
Put the docs on your skydrive and find a CBR reader... problem solved.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Martice:
Sounds like a plan to me.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ericc191:
As excited as I am about WP7, I must agree with some of the OP's original statements. I registered at the link he provided and will be petitioning as well. No file explorer/mass storage is definitely crippling.

I'll admit.. after using Android for so long, the severe lack of quality games shifted my focus to WP7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] AceofSpades25:
Are you sure a 3rd party app can access a users sky drive?

So far I've only heard of skydrive support within the office hub.

http://www.downloadsquad.com/2010/10/13/windows-phone-7-to-get-skydrive-integration/
[Windows Phone 7 General] PersoAryanism:
Can I transfer music smoothly?

Can I listen to music smoothly on my device?

Can I transfer pictures smoothly?

Can I view my pictures smoothly on my device?

If the answer is yes, then stop cry about "OMG FILE SYSTEM IS LOCKED".

It's not a big deal and just buy Android if you want a ugly piece of brick.
[Windows Phone 7 General] AceofSpades25:
:D If all people wanted to do was listen to music and carry around photographs, they should go and buy a Nokia for £30 why have a smartphone if thats all you care about?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Hampshire PDA:
The whole point of a smartphone is SMART. WP7 might be fine for someone who just wants to work with facebook and twitter. WP7 is totally inflexible, and worst, you can't sync to a pc. Has no-one in M$ heard of Data Protection? I don't want to put business contacts, calendar entries in the cloud. I am very disappointed with WP7 to the extent that I have returned my HD7 to o2 and had a full refund. o2 (in the UK) are finding no sync with Outlook to be an increasingly important shortcoming. M$ seems to have forgotten its corporate customers, the death of a smartphone from M$. I guess we are now stuck with Android, Nokia or Apple - each of whom make phones which will sync, with varying degrees of success with Microsoft Outlook, something which Microsoft "smart" phones will no longer do. RIP WP7
[Windows Phone 7 General] tjhart85:
Yes, because you put audio files in EVERY folder that you put on the sd card.

A lot of apps that have audio (ringtones and such) add it to their folder themselves.

It takes 10 seconds and isn't tedious at all.

A lot of us don't want crapware installed on our computers.

Many LIKE the fact that we can just plug our USB cables into any computer and access files on it and put files onto it. And if you DON'T want to do that, then you can use Windows Media Player or Doubletwist or Songbird or well....do you see where i'm going with this? Even if you don't like the drag and drop option, you STILL HAVE OPTIONS!

If you are stuck using a mac and need to get a file, you can do so and the same applies with linux and Windows.

Anrdoid out of the gates might not have been a serious contender for the iPhone, but at least google is quickly catching up & the for things that were lacking, the system is open, so anyone can develop the feature they're missing.

Don't like the messaging app, get a new one.

Don't like the video player, get a new one.

Don't like the dialer (core functionality), get a new one.

Don't like the Google Market, then use a different one!

You don't see any of the others offering to give up their 30% cash cow (I'm not actually sure what % MS is going to take, but apply their number here instead for them).

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Also, don't you hate how family and friends will come to you for support of a product AFTER they buy it, but won't consult you at all on what product to buy in the first place? I'm trying to spread the word to them preemptively not to get a WP7 if they want to $INSERT_LIST_HERE.
[Windows Phone 7 General] AceofSpades25:
The Kin experiment already failed horribly. All of you people that constantly try to justify Microsofts decisions need to keep in mind that people dont want a phone with less functionality than they expect it to have. That only leads to disappointment
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
Well said!

Most here also forget that the close system makes it a nightmare for developers to come up with quality apps, and then the same users who claim that they care less about file system access ***** and moan why application a or b cannot do this and that.
[Windows Phone 7 General] chubnut:
I've been pretty worried about this issue too. This is one of the reasons why I'm trying to set up SBS with Exchange at home and I can't even get my phone till tomorrow. Overkill or what? But like you I'm really not happy about using the cloud. Even if I was, I'm going to loose data in the transfer to Live, there is no conflict resolution that I can find, categories are are not sync'ed, the list goes on. I've mentioned this before and you've re-iterated here. M$ have totally forgotten corporate customers.

Roll on tomorrow, but I may be doing the same as you down the line
[Windows Phone 7 General] jeffgeno:
What kind of corporate customers don't use Exchange? Midsize to enterprise organizations have their own servers and most small businesses use hosted Exchange. Microsoft is even getting into the hosted Exchange game with Office 365. I understand not being able to sync with Outlook is a pain for some people, but there really aren't that many of them currently and there are fewer and fewer of them every day.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ant1pathy:
The more like iOS Windows Phone 7 is, the more successful it will sell. The more like Android and WinMo 6.5 and earlier, the less successful.

People who post on this forum don't seem to have a good grasp on what the AVERAGE CONSUMER wants out of a phone. Working in a retail phone store, I can safely say that I am far better in touch with the average consumer than most (any?) of you are. I am personally a poweruser, and enjoy the freedom rooting/jailbreaking devices gives me. But I shudder to think about trying to explain something as simple (to me and you) as a file system to customers. For instance, do you realize how disappointed people are when they ask about something like iTunes for Android and I have to point them at DoubleTwist and explain that it'll require a lot more patience and fiddling to get it to work? The average person LOVES iTunes because it's easy and simple and doesn't offer them so many options to get confused.

I know none of this will make a difference to you all, but please keep in mind that Microsoft is a for profit company looking to have success in the smartphone marketplace. WinMo 6.5 was probably the most feature packed OS's out there, and it did NOTHING to stop the astonishingly fast erosion of market share. Microsoft will follow the money, and it's NOT to be found supporting powerusers out of the gate.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tjhart85:
See, that sounds all fine and good, but Android was clearly marketed towards the geek. I mean, just look at the Droid commercials alone! I bought a G1 and showed people all the cool things they could do with it. They wound up getting Droids or Evos or whatever Android phone they could when their contract ran up.

No one I know wants iTunes for Android (even the non-geeks). They want to go to their music folder and drag some files over, unplug and go on with their day. Or, They want to make a playlist in their favorite player and have it sync. They want something they can use as a jumpdrive because they constantly lose their jumpdrives, but won't be likely to forget their phone in the computer or have it fall out of their pocket or whatever.

I help people who are completely clueless with technology and they want to know things like "Can I play the music from the phone on my computer at work.........I can't install anything because I'd get in trouble" The answer is YES!

If people want IOS, they'll buy IOS. You don't sell a phone at similar (or higher) prices than your main competitor and just copy what they do while adding no real value, that's not a business strategy that'll get you very far!
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
It does the same with photos. Not just sound files. Video as well... It's just trouble media management.

moving outlook data to win live isn't tedious but some people act like it's the end of the world.

If your phone isn't routed it becomes tedious for everything installed to the phone.

Their should be standard directories for media or a way to tell the media player which directories to parse in the gui (as opposed to which to ignore).

The proposed workaround is retarded. I'm not gonna bother mucking aroung with something so retarded.

As for your crapware comment... Uttetly retarded. Zune actually adds codecs to XP/Vista systems, and the media/playlist management and marketplace access is worth it. Zune also interoperates very well with wmp (like iTunes/QuickTime)...
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Zune is not crapware.

VLC is laughable for managing media. It bwyond laughable, actually.

You have to break the law in the US to get some of those codecs, as well.

WMP can play the 3gp and QT files on Win7. There is no need for it.

VLC cannot play DRM'd Zume Pass media.

WMP and iTunes didn't become umbiquitous by being crap, and Zune doesn't come with any crap at all. That statement is retarded when ur willing to install crappy VLC and those hacked up (and illegal) codec packs on ur computer.

It stinks of hypocrisy.
[Windows Phone 7 General] AceofSpades25:
Sorry Ant, but you're wrong. If Microsoft were smart, they would take the best bits from both Android and IOS and incorporate that into a new device that also has the other great features it has (like XNA gaming etc.)

You CAN market a phone at the average consumer (making it really simple on the surface), while making it extremely powerful and flexible under the hood.

You can say consumers don't care about how it works under the hood until yoiu're blue in the face, but at the end of the day, it has a major impact on what apps are actually possible for the platform.

You go ahead and enjoy re-purchasing all of the e-comics and e-books that you might already own, in the mean time I will continue giving Microsoft a hard time until they deliver the flexibility we developers require to make your phone really powerful
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
No, you're wrong. If Microsoft wanted to do that, they could have just made a new user interface to Windows Mobile 6.5 and kept backward/forward compatibility. It already performs pretty much the same functions as iOS and Android, albeit differently in many cases.

Windows Phone 7 is not as App-Centric as those other platforms.

Also, the fact that you can install Apps on it doesn't make it as App-Centric as the more App-Centric platforms. I'm just throwing it out there.

I purchase my eBooks from Amazon (Kindle), who I'm sure will come out with a Kindle Apps that will allow me to download them trivially to a WP7 phone the same way it lets me download them to my PC and Android device. Maybe you just made a bad choice. I don't read Comic Books, so I cannot comment on that.

Music/Pictures/Video is trivial due to Zune.

Documents are trivial due to SkyDrive.

Zune streaming and the fact that it actually has a decent music collection pretty much negates the need for Slacker/Pandora.

Consumers don't write applications. They aren't concerned with what's possible. Most people will make the choice up front on whether they want a device based on what's available, not what is possible.

That's like saying people buy Printers based on the chances of a firmware upgrade, and not functionality out of the box.

You're quite misguided, but that doesn't surprise me.
[Windows Phone 7 General] AceofSpades25:
Hey every one... I've updated my initial post. Please click this link

http://social.answers.microsoft.com...7/thread/88701348-6b4e-4ed4-b76b-ac4046c66da5

And click the I need an answer button, to ask Microsoft to resolve this issue.
[Windows Phone 7 General] kekkle:
Those are the people that just wanna act all high with their new smartphone. While they can't even tap into the power and abilities of the phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
So.... then Microsoft created just a cell phone+ipod touch to make calls and listen to music and that's about it - welcome back 5 years ago, that's quite an innovation.

Yeah and you right, consumer DOES NOT write the application, consumer DEMANDS the application.
[Windows Phone 7 General] AceofSpades25:
I am quite impressed. That query has only been on Microsoft answers for 4 hours and already 8 people have stated that they want Microsoft to fix this issue. On balance, it is a lot if issues there get 2 other people saying they want answers. We've got 8, and that is only after 4 hours.

That is far more than any other WP7 issue on that forum right now.

Users are speaking up, and what we see is that this is by far the biggest issue that people have with the WP7 platform. :mad:

Hopefully this will prompt Microsoft into fixing this issue soon.

Click the link below to add your voice if you haven't already

http://social.answers.microsoft.com...7/thread/88701348-6b4e-4ed4-b76b-ac4046c66da5
[Windows Phone 7 General] chubnut:
Voted for an answer and added a comment:D

Feel they may take a while to return to us
[Windows Phone 7 General] AceofSpades25:
I think they're intentionally ignoring it because they don't want to draw attention to this obvious massive flaw. I'll continue to bump it though and people will continue to vote for this.
[Windows Phone 7 General] AceofSpades25:
Already 20 people want answers to this in less than 24 hours, and amazingly Microsoft are still ignoring the post. :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] ericc191:
Sadly, 20 people isn't enough to blip MS's radar.
[Windows Phone 7 General] AceofSpades25:
:( It's a lot for that forum