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[Fascinate Themes and Apps] CrushD:
I would just push the apk to the phone to try it out. When it comes to the "limited reads and writes" that you mention, keep in mind it is only limited writes, not limited reads (you have unlimited reads with flash memory). Also, the limited writes isn't a limit on the number of times you can write to your SD card, but a number of times you can fill each sector of your SD card. So you'd have to rewrite data on each sector of your SD card like a million times to use up your limited writes, and seeing that pushing an adw theme is mere MBs of the GBs of your SD card, don't think you'll be draining your limited writes anytime soon.
[Fascinate Themes and Apps] Terror_1:
Yeah that was a typo but I actually killed my Eris boot sector with too many writes and am now left with a really expensive paperweight. Trying really hard now to not do anything to this Fascinate that is going to kill it.
[Desire General] rogershroed1991:
It seems like there's literally no internal storage. Does anyone know exactly how much it is? I have about 10 mb of email, 15 mb of Facebook data, 20 mb of contact storage, and about 5-6 applications installed that are over 1 mb, and somehow the little "Low Space" notification keeps popping up. I already uninstalled so many apps and right now I'm down to the essentials plus 2 games. It's annoying and I don't understand why the internal storage is so low that you can't even install more than 2 apps without it going crazy. My Hero never had this problem and I have 20-30 apps installed on there plus 3 email accounts and I never once saw the "Low Space" notification.
[Desire General] CrimzonEyed:
App2SD? Clear cache?
[Desire General] GANJDROID:
So, youre complaining about an issue that everyone on any Android has if they havent rooted?
[Desire General] xtcislove:
Upgrade to Froyo

Move Apllication´s to SD

be happy
[Desire General] Macca2805:
It's the biggest problem on all android phones. It's being fixed (if you have group 2.2 youll notice an improvement). But the best solution so far seems to be root. Read into it, and Google things like apps2sd.
[Desire General] pramitroy:
Problem is, at least in my case, most of the apps just don't support installing in SD, like Google maps, Adobe reader, Gmail or even YouTube apps. No use of being in Froyo then.
[Desire General] trion:
Then Root your phone and use apps2sd!

Make a 1 gig ext3 partition and you have lots of space!
[Desire General] EddyOS:
Lets be honest, though. You shouldn't have to root to make your phone do something that should be standard on Android. Not everyone will want to invalidate their warranty
[Desire General] MightySashiman:
Oh please, quit *****ing. Root process is reversible.

rpimps > bottom line : use the tools available.
[Desire General] EddyOS:
Mate, stfu - I've rooted and know full well it's reversible. Was just stating that we shouldn't HAVE to do it, it should be standard. Apple managed to do it with the iPhone so why can't anyone else...you telling me that someone who's not that computer literate** should have to root their phone just to install some more apps??

**NOT saying the OP isn't computer literate, btw ;)
[Desire General] MightySashiman:
No no, please don't give Apple credit, Iphone have loads more internal memory than any android device which relies on "external" SD storage. If iphones worked the same way, this limitation would be advertised as a freaking "feature" :D

Ok so we shouldn't HAVE to do it, but I fully understand Google taking time to think things out. Just plainly installing on the SDcard (i.e. copying apk packages) with no piracy preventing measures is not viable. The froyo way is already a nice step forward. If you want full control, well at least you DO get the opportunity to take full control of your phone through rooting and apps2sd.

Please don't compare to iphone which still doesn't even know what file browsing is :rolleyes:
[Desire General] EddyOS:
That's what I meant about the iPhone doing it, Apple got it right by cramming the iPhone with internal memory!!! HTC could've easily done the same ;)

Agree with the 'feature' pun, though :D
[Desire General] Sibbi:
Hm, even in my unrooted, old 2.1 days i had more than a few apps installed. 20 MB of Contacts?? How many do you have... a million?

Sorry, even without app2sd i had 30+ apps installed.

Btw, rooting is so easy... Right now i have about 50 apps installed and 105 MB free space.
[Desire General] kalfou:
Hey dude,

I wouldn't advise just rooting your phone on the spur, research it first...

Also upgrade to Froyo, then you get to trnsfer your apps, if thats not enough then download App2sd and if thats not enough then clear cache and if thats not enough delete some apps that you never really use.

Finally IF thats not enough, sell your phone and buy something else...
[Desire General] sakai4eva:
HTC's Quietly Brilliant Contacts management downloads your friend's Google pictures, Facebook pictures and Twitter pictures. Ta-da, magically lost memory.

Totally agree that you shouldn't just root without understanding the whole process and what it means. I was troubleshooting two other users that nearly bricked their Desires by rooting improperly.

But back to the OP's comments, I was like him. I rooted because I was running out of space to install apps ;)
[Desire General] hamdir:
same here i struggled with performance when my internal got full even with force 2 SD

i finally gave up and rooted my device, never looked back

a reminder: if you want to root and install a2sd make sure it's done with a full wipe
[Desire General] atomfix:
Still and always will be better than a iPhone :) so be happy
[Desire General] Rizla-xda:
The Desire is way better than the iPhone. Only thing that keeps people going back to iPhone - is cause they used to it - they don't know what they are missing. iPhone can't take SD card......iPhone SUCKS !!!!!!
[Desire General] AndroHero:
Dya know what gets to me? Idiots that spend hundreds of pounds on a device without even researching the device specification, only to end up creating pointless threads, not because there is anything wrong with the device just because they didnt educate themselves about what they were about to buy, any google search will show the desire has a total rom of 500mb, knowing that the system, cache, radio and recovery partitions were going to take a sizeable chunk of that, i fully expected about 150mb of internal storage so i wasnt disapointed
[Desire General] ste1164:
Well that was a fail of a statement. It sucks because of no micro SD card...I'd rather have internal memory as it's quicker to access anyway. One reason why HD videos on the iPhone are so good. But in the end they are both phones nothing to argue over. Both have good and bad points it's all opinion.
[Desire General] MightySashiman:
You are one stupid asshole. Iphone doesn't suck, it's a freaking beautiful device. It's just different from an HTC Desire. Like any device, it has its features and flaws ; choices were made by the designers, you either like them or choose something else. full stop.

About SD cards, especially in the case of the HTC Desire, name me ONE advantage over internal memory. Ok, so you can take it out and plug it into your computer. Oh but wait, you need to switch off your phone and take out the battery. And if you switch the device back on again without the card inserted, god knows what going to still work properly on the phone, most of the apps being half-stored on the SDcard, and most settings/cache/temporary files also stored on the SDcard. And appart from spending 100 bucks on a class10 card, data rate is awful next to internal storage.

So SD card for the sake of it => what a ****ing big deal.
[Desire General] jannen:
With all this Android - Iphone catfighting... I cant wait for the next wave Nokia phones next year. Then we'll have three groups fighting whos the best! (Nokia might actually be the winner at the end)

When phones get more sophisticated - Im afraind we will just get more these 'I hate', 'Im going back to..' etc threads.

Im a happy Desire owner - I knew exactly what I was buying.
[Desire General] rogershroed1991:
I have an iPhone as well, it's a nice phone and I like that it has a lot of apps, but overall I prefer Android because of the customization options.

To the guy asking how I use so much space for contacts storage - I have about 600 Google contacts and 650 Facebook contacts, and put together they take up about 35mb.

So basically if I want to free up space, I have 2 options:

- Root and use "app2sd"

- Root and flash Froyo

that's it?

It is quite silly that you can only install a few apps before running out of space, so I guess if rooting is the only way to solve the issue I'll go ahead and try it.
[Desire General] th3:
There is a serious fragmentation issue in my continuing experience and it plagues me daily when I update or remove an app. I removed and reset Mail and Internet data and then replaced them back to exactly the same just an hour back to reclaim 3.8MB while both were as empty as possible. The reason for my anguish and shrinking space is this. I had 35MB free not long back and it's 20MB now, same everything except app updates and many apps removed.

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- HTC Desire via XDA App -
[Desire General] ste1164:
HTC did realize the internal memory problem and kinda fixed it with the Droid Incredible. It has 8GB of internal storage.
[Desire General] Rizla-xda:
Whatever makes you happy - I didn't take you on personally
[Desire General] LuffyPSP:
Im with u dude... iphone sucks. I can accept some other apple products except iphone . Haha...

Btw, u can use app2sd or n1 partition table if u use aosp roms. Im using it and it is the best.

Sent by S-OFF International Postage
[Desire General] rolfd:
This is not a Desire vs iPhone thread.

Please keep it on topic, any further rants, flaming etc will be deleted.
[Desire General] jedi134:
I have to agree with the 1st poster, "i`m really starting to hate this phone too" its really quite ****e!!! I have froyo 2.2 installed, and not many of my apps can be moved, even when I do the ADB "always install to SD card" method, this works fine until a reeboot or theres an update for an apps, then it all goes crazy losing apps left right and center, thinking it needs an update when it does not? Slow to load. absolute ****e.!!!

Might try the rooting method, when I get a bigger sd card, if that fails, i`m going back to windows mobile, where I can connect to Ad Hoc networks, and do many more things that i cannot do on my basic kiddies Android HTC Desire phone.:(
[Desire General] godutch:
I was a bit disappointed too because there was so little space left on the device but rooting the phone and flashing leedroid with apps2sd was pretty painless and now I have dozens of apps installed and still lot's of space left. A few tips though:

make a full backup of all your important files on the sd_card, use rom_manager to partition and format the sd card to ext3, do a full backup with titanium backup or mybackup (I prefer this, it seems easier, you can choose between apps, app data or both easily) and use htc sync before flashing; afterwards it should be easy
[Desire General] rogershroed1991:
So I actually just got the official update to 2.2 yesterday and all the system files seem to take up less space. I went from 25mb free to 50mb free. I also moved most of my apps to the sd card and that freed up a lot more space.
[Desire General] rottunix:
The desire would have killed all others if it had a much bigger Rom and a front camera. These are what I will be looking for when I upgrade in the future.

But it is still a good device.

And I agree I shouldn't have to root. Fix these and the market share for android will be going up... and up
[Desire General] mr.r9:
You really knew that Radio+system+cache+xyz would leave you with 150 MB of internal storage without prior owning of the Desire? You're a genius man!

Sure there is nothing seriously wrong with the Desire, but why didn't HTC use say 1 or 2 GB of nand rather than 500 MB? Don't forget the Desire was a flagship device a little while ago.

On a final note, don't attack people without giving any advice.

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OP: Root & A2SD+ is the answer if you value your internal storage.
[Desire General] andycted:
You're right of course, but it's a bit pointless posting this in an android forum, as you will automatically get contradicted by android supporters ...

Sent from videotext, using the remote
[Desire General] *aliquando*:
Everyone knows this problem. But clearly it is legitimate to ask why. Especially when the android phone of your friend has not this problem. For example a friend with the HTC wildfire has not this problem and we install same apps. Root the phone is the only way to solve the problem (and many others) but it discards the warranty...
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MZWiZard:
Any devs looking at the possibility to record movies in fullhd, 1080p ? I seem to remember I read somewhere that it should be capable of it.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] leoon:
Well if it is capable of recording in full-HD then why wouldn't Samsung themselves implement it so to make more sales?
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] INeedYourHelp:
Are we talking about the same company that decided to use rfs filesystem and use reserved memory thus limiting available ram... not to mention the weak wi-fi reception / gps issues.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MZWiZard:
Exactly my point, there could be a thousand of different reasons. But maybe our devs inhere are a bit sharper than Samsung themselves... ;)
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LevitateJay:
People have made mods that claim an extra 20 - 30 megabytes of RAM. When these are applied problems are noticed with 720p recording. Imagine the ram usage for 1080p. I don't think its worth the hassle.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Halleluia:
1080p used in mobile phones do you think will be much better?

come on!

i dont think so...
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lgkahn:
Especially since the audio is still bollixed... if they fixed that first.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] medimel:
Dont think it need it.

First if hardware permit to record 1080p stream the 5megapixels chip wont manage to provide 1080p frames with a decent framerate.

then if it could the optics wont be able to resolve the resolution gain.compared with n8 nokia or iphone 4 720p output you can see what there s place for improvement in this way(sharpest optic and better sensibility)

but may our dev can work on compression level to keep more fine detail , sensibility management or faster autofocus without resolution change.

think this is the only reasonable improvement we could expect by software mod
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jam3sjam3s:
Well, I have problems with 1080p playing, let alone recording.

Anyway, the hardware is 100% capable of 1080p recording and it would be really cool if some can mod it.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xan:
Hummingbird is capable of 1080p hardware decoding/encoding. It's equipped with hardware encoders/decoders. Both of them require decent amount of RAM reserved. I think that was the issue.

5mpix sensor is perfectly capable of delivering decent framerate @720p, why wouldn't it be capable of 1080p?

Resolution is enough, there might be bandwidth limiting factors between sensor-CPU.

Optics is perfectly capable of making quite sharp photos @5mpix, why wouldn't it be capable of shooting just 1920x1080?

There will be no software mod enabling 1080p recording, without hacking into hardware codecs/drivers.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MZWiZard:
Even if the framerate would go down to 15-20 fps, I would personally really like this feature. Some moments are best captured in highest resolution possible. An idea about the memory could be to allocate needed amount on demand, thereafter releasing it again?

Thanks for confirming that our Galaxy S is indeed hardware-wise capable of recording in 1920x1080. :D
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] andrewluecke:
Actually, why 1080p? It doesn't NEED to be 1080p. Why can't we add support for 800p (800lines vertical res) or even 960p.

We keep thinking about making the jump to 1080p, but is there any reason why would couldn't ramp up the resolution higher on the camera? Just because your TV expects 720p, doesn't mean computers do when playing it back...
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mycorrhiza:
800p and 960p are not common, so it would make things awkward. Can't play it on a 720p screen and not properly on a 720p screen.

BTW although noticable I don't think the difference between 1080p and 720p is that big. So I don't think anyone would really notice the difference between 720p and 960p and if so probably more as a placebo than a real difference.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MZWiZard:
I agree on the odd formats. However, going from 720p to 1080p is a significant improvement, especially if you have a large ( 46" + ) flat panal to view things on.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ace518:
I would be very interested in this. And for everyone saying its not needed, this is a development forum. Many many many things that are done are "not needed" but still pretty cool. He asked if it could be done, lets stick to if it can, not if it should.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dupel:
720 from 5 meg camera is already seriously pushing it, almost hack wise. Normally only 8 meg cameras should support it. And im not speaking about 1080...
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bilboa1:
The sensors usually can't deliver 30 fps at 1080p even if the hardware can encode it (which ive seen no tech specs of,just various "web claims" aka moot stuff)

It's not because its a 5MP sensor etc, its about how much data can go through the sensor after it's captured (that's before the CPU/DSP!!) You have very good 5MP 1080p cameras, because the sensors can handle it. They also cost more. I highly doubt the one in the SGS can handle much more than 720p at 30fps.

i'd rather have the image processing improved than 1080p, since 1080p (if it could be done that is) will be approx the same quality as 720p, use twice the space and need twice the power to decode on other systems.

in fact even the encoder can maybe be optimized. i'm not familiar with the hummingbird, but the OMAP's have TI's own such hardware codecs and while its proprietary you can implement your own codec accelerated by the DSP.

HummingBird's codec produce "very average" 720p H264 mainline (i believe?) at 10-12mbits (!)

Compare with x264 4mbit 720p H264 high profile quality for the same source, it blasts it away quality wise and is 2/2.5x smaller in file size. besides it has a zillion options depending if you want quality, latency etc.

bottom line, if a genius would accelerate x264 via the DSP it would be awesome.

I know the x264 team worked on the OMAP DSP with little success, mostly due to rather cryptic documentation
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] andrewluecke:
There are plenty of PC displays which AREN'T 1080P (only cheap ones). 1080p and 720p is optimal for TV's, but not computer displays. There are plenty of computer displays which are 1200 lines vertical resolution.

And I've found a difference between 720p and 1080p, but it's more obvious on larger displays which supports higher resolutions
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] troppxda:
I'd rather have slow-motion and a proper app that enables video editing/cutting/sound mixing just with Iphone 4.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ibanez33:
I'm inclined to agree, theres room for improvement at 720p, its like the same logic as low end cameras and camera phones alike ramping up the pixel count doesn't directly mean better quality..

Plus the phone although it should be able to currently doesn't like playing back 1080p videos...

I'm not saying everyones going to want to watch 1080p on an 800 x 400 panel, just saying you might want to play back what you've just recorded to see how its come out..
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] messier31:
I would prefer some video stabilizing done in realtime. It isn't that complex if you are into the android system and now how to get to the camera data.

What also would be nice, are real HDR pictures created with a configurable number of images with different exposure time.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] medimel:
ok for hardware capabilities but 1080p not really usefull on this device.

like said up it need more cpu for heavy files and possible ram problems.

a real compression enhancement is the way to get really sharp video with reasonable size.

look at this test comparing iphone 4 (5mpixels 720p too) and our SGS.

http://www.gsmarena.com/showpic.php...galaxy-s-vs-iphone-4/samples/gsmarena_016.jpg

http://www.gsmarena.com/showpic.php...galaxy-s-vs-iphone-4/samples/gsmarena_017.jpg

and the full test :

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i9000_galaxy_s_vs_apple_iphone_4-review-500p5.php

so anyone know where to mod compression settings?hardware drivers?
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MZWiZard:
No devs interested in this feature? How can I pursuade you to have a look at things?

On my knees.... PLEEEEASE!!!b:o
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vorob:
I personally vote for 1080p

Maybe in full hd there will be no issues with weird resize filter of i9000 which produces such non-antialised image:
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MZWiZard:
I really wish for 1080p recording...
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dadyal:
what about 720 p @ 40 frames ?
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stam91:
Sometimes the 720p recording crashes with "not supported memory" fail. How do you expect to use 1080p? Crashing every 3 secs?) [even if it'll be possible]. So, it's sort of castles in the air.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] insestito:
Any news ???:confused::confused:
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] Diamond_dawg:
Hey guys just tried to make a rom, my first rom, i hvant recieved my Hero yet, so i need someone to try it, this is not a comercia Rom, i take no credit as other were more vauable in making it, but i need someone to test it out for me

Core rom is from Froydvillian( so credit goes to him) and l1nuxfre4k for his site,

again i take no credit and this is a test rom for my personal phone but as i dont have at the moment i need someone to test it

You must be rooted and i take no responsibiity

Mod Edit: Link Removed
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] L0cke:
Always good to see new stuff, but can you say what is different, what has been changed, added etc.. or have you just removed/added some .apk's?
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] Diamond_dawg:
right now, no tweeks, i have to work on that tonight, i plan to make a default Launcher inbuilt, some goodies and tweks to make it fast, my own custom boot up screen but thats in the works now

thanks for asking tho

these apps are included

3G Watchdog

Adobe Reade

Advanced Task Killer

ADW Launcher

Aldiko

Android Agenda Widget

Android Mate.

Apps Organizer

Apps2SD

Astro File Manager

Hebrew

Hello IM!

Launcher PRO

Market Enabler

OI File Manager

Opera Mini browser

Photoshop

Rom Manager

Titanium Backup

TvDroid
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] I7V:
why people don't use Samsung launcher i think it is better than adw and launcherpro
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] Diamond_dawg:
the touch whiz or something? not sure whats its call, but if i can find it, i may add it
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] skymkk:
I WILL try it
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] skymkk:
I have downloaded over
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] Diamond_dawg:
is it working?
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] skymkk:
I flash it it take me a long time
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] skymkk:
He is the revision FV1.5
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] Diamond_dawg:
i'm using the corefiles from FD1.5 from cookmyrom.se, i still have to start the work on it tho, i just wanted someone to test it to see if it works