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[HD2 General] poiuyasdfg:
the fact is:

1. new things are always more buggy.

2. new os always consume more resource, as HD7 has the same hardware spec with HD2, it means HD7 with WP7 is less smoother than HD2 with WM6 or same with HD2 with WP7.

3. apps? are you kidding!? where are apps for WP7? I can't even see it...

4. continue updates? it's just one promise of MS (even not a official promise), but how? these updates are what you need? what you need will be updated? all HD2 user want a update to WP7, but MS say NO to everyone... so your can just hope MS will give you a update what you want, or even no hope...

5. frankly, google dose this much better than MS, if you use your phone for this, your best choice is andriod.

6. that's definitly true! like the way which MS always use to his costumers. but this tragedy will be repeated on WP7 soon, when MS wants to make more money from WP8, 9 10...

7. you are right, some day, there won't have developers for WM6.5 anymore, but when? it's a game about time, isn't it? I will enjoy my WM6.5 with thousand free apps for a long time till they can't fit my daily use, then I will swicth directly to the newest phone with best OS and hardware (MS or not).

if WP7 can just do some thing what has been done by Iphone, why I need a WP7!? I should go directly to Iphone!!!
[HD2 General] kurt-willems:
HTC WP7????

Honestly this isn't a device from HTC, its a Windows Device with HTC logo!!!

I mean be honest what is the big force of HTC??? >> There UI, okay sometimes it's buggy but it is a nice user interface! free to costumer or not.

And to be honest, the way we use/have multiple windows gives a nice and order overview.

Now came back on WP7 Thy talk about there own UI!!?? Eh I need a dictionary!!

I mean the creators of Windows ware certainly drunk when thy created this UI???

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Oh yeah, HTC was free to make there own UI on the WP7, this is what thy have done/may done

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My point is, way you buy a HTC not a Samsung, LG, ...

The answerer will be probably 30% the device hardware look and 70% the UI!

Now with WP7 what is the deferent between all other device??? Only hardware look, the UI is the same (WP7)

This destroy the free market, and only promote Windows Phone!

When HTC have create there own UI instead the one of Windows, than I'm preprepared to by a other device.
[HD2 General] uzzi88:
It's basically the same phone with WP7 slashed on.

No thanks, I'll keep my HD2.
[HD2 General] hagba:
Most definitely he will,and by doing so will push for a massive immigration of Hundreds Thousands of HD2 users towards Android direction,there are over one hundred thousand applications there,big support and best of all many of us are already familiar with Android OS.
[HD2 General] L22EEW:
My contract doesn't end until December 2011. So am stuck with the HD2 until then. Not that i'm complaining... still love my HD2 muchly!
[HD2 General] altec1000:
If you like WM6.5 You should use it. Yes people are lazy but just a small part want to customize their phone. It takes a lot of time and knowledge to do it which not everyone prefers it. Thats a fact.
[HD2 General] patcooke:
I'll stick with dual booting my HD2 to wm 6.5 and Android.
[HD2 General] Hulmeman:
Stick or twist?

Well, I got the HD2 and I'm gonna stick!:D
[HD2 General] nrfitchett4:
netflix streaming, xbox live integration. An OS that is opening up by the minute, and doesn't lock up several times a day on most people....

There are reasons to switch. Not saying I am switching yet, playing the wait and see approach.
[HD2 General] nrfitchett4:
1. have you used a wp7 device??? I doubt it, because the reviews say it is very smooth and bug free.

2. It uses less resources according to reports. Where do you get your info?

3. http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/10/25/milestone.reached.in.less.than.3.weeks/

and that is pretty much before anyone has the device. Pretty good start and according to engadget (not exactly microsoft friendly), the best looking games are on wp7.

4. uhh, yes they have promised quite frequent updates, ala android OTA updates, and since all devices have minimum requirements, all devices will be able to update. Can you say that for android? How many devices have an official 2.2 update yet???

5. Once again, have you even tried a wp7 device? How can you pass judgement on something you haven't played with?

6. Huh? Devices from several years ago can run winmo 6.5. Devices that started on winmo 5. The reason these devices are no longer gonna be supported is a completely different programming language. Maybe you should try reading some.

7. so basically you are just a cheap azz???
[HD2 General] nrfitchett4:
considering 6.5 is still going to be the business OS, it's not going anywhere yet. Hence the builds we are basing our custom ROMs on like 21683 (just released).

Biggest complaints of android so far: lack of games and netflix streaming still is months away.
[HD2 General] DazzaMc:
HD2 all the way - I have WinMo 6.5, Android and Ubuntu all running on the one device - why in the world would ANYONE want to change that sort of flexibility?

I would Install WinMob 7 only if it could run alongside WinMob 6.5 and I had the option of dual boot as I currently do with Android. Other than that - I'm not interested.

As for the hardware specs - they are basically the same. Vid-Out would be nice, but given I can plug my phone into the DVD player and read a movie direct from the SD card, it's not such a big deal...
[HD2 General] anhyeuemmaimai:
with no native support for tethering plus no UI customizing plus no copy and paste plus no backwards compatability plus no easily expandable storage plus no third party multitasking plus no ability to use phone as external hdd in a pinch plus no easy way to transfer music and other stuff between PC and phone....
[HD2 General] Wildcopper:
Definitely not. I won't touch anything with Windows Mobile 7 with a ten foot pole.
[HD2 General] mikesher:
I do like wm6.5 but I think there will be very little in the way of new software for it in the future. For me wm7 is impossible because it doesn't allow tethering. i will have a look at android or symbian in a couple of months when I upgrade.

Mike
[HD2 General] poiuyasdfg:
1. Realy!? OK! let us try it before buy it! Dear you!? Your "reviews" are from how many testers? Don't tell me it's just a commercial rewiew. (PS: My original words is "new things are always more buggy", I even didn't mentioned WP7 in my sentence.)

2. Same answer, Your "reports" are from how many testers? Dear you let us try it before buy it!?

3. Don't makes me laughing (but I still can't hold to laugh after see your url). According to the article which you use, the Num of apps for each os is : WP7-1000, Android-100000, Iphone-300000. I have nothing else to say, it's all from your resource...

4. OK! Android hasn't update neither, so I can go Iphone anyway.

5. Once again, Dear you let us try it before buy it!? We will never pay for a junk or something supposed to be a junk. If Bill.Gates could use "it will be perfect" 2 years ago to describe a WP7 which was just a program title, why I can't use "it will be a peice of junk" to describe a WP7 which I haven't yet touched!? So I can do nothing, just Bill.Gates could!? OMG! Gates is really a God!

6. So those "Mission impossible" for MS have been complished by XDAers, why MS dosen't just pay these XDAers to work for WM users!? In my idea, it's more better than wasting in adv.

7. Basiclly, I don't juge a personal insult, that will makes me cheaper.
[HD2 General] Deltang:
Here is thought for you all:

What if we could install windows Mobile 6.5 on HD7.

I tested HD7 in a store and it is a great hardware. Much better than HD2. Specially the touch screen. I love my HD2, but must be honest, HD7 has better hardware. If some of you great tech-ies could port 6.5 onto HD7, we would have the best of both worlds. I don't want to give up the freedom of 6.5 and all my software. I know it is quite early and eventually someone will come up with this porting idea on HD7. We can also always go back to WM7 too!!
[HD2 General] smeddy:
It's not a hardware-upgrade, just a software-"upgrade" (depending on your views of WP7), so for me I wouldn't upgrade.

If I *had* to get a new phone tomorrow, I'd probably lean to Android (e.g. the Desire) as an experiment, although I would certainly have a proper play with the HD7 before making my decision. The inherent problems of a v1 OS, and some of the restrictions/missing features imposed on it, have almost made my mind up.

In truth, I'd probably consider another HD2, as CHT2 has made me fall in love with the WM Sense UI all over again.
[HD2 General] anhyeuemmaimai:
actually it is the same hardware for the most part, in a newer package nice try though...
[HD2 General] krat0s123:
actually same hardware, with a little more optimization on the OS to utilize the hardware.. much like froyo on android... me, my answer to the original question is a big NO!!! i will never, ever, ever buy a windows phone ever again!! i don't care if it's gonna be as good as the android or iphone.. the fact that they said they will give our HD2 a free upgrade then all of a sudden they'll come out with a lame excuse like they can't support our HD2 because there's one too many hard button on our phone is unacceptable! the HD2 was in production when they started working on WM7.. it came out before they finished developing their OS.. so why did they say they'll support it then build an OS that will not work on our HD2?? besides, the two big players are way ahead of the game anyways.. it would take a very long time before MS could ever catch up.. and that is IF they can ever catch up.. a big IF...
[HD2 General] troed:
new still buggy OS software, no copy- paste, no sd- card- slot, no available apps, restrictions as with iPhone ........ WM 7 NO for now !

Give it five years and MAYBE it is going to be a serious OS ..........
[HD2 General] Deltang:
How can you say it is the same hardware? I tried it out for half an hour:

- Much better touch screen

- More memory

- Front camera

- Better material (frame) and slicker design (with stand in the back which is very handy)

There is probably other improvements too, but just the above is enough for me.
[HD2 General] fred_up:
I am not against the new core per say. What I do object to is the closed system. If you look at some WinMo6.5 phones, you might not even think that they are the same operating system from the HTCs to the Sony Ericsons.

The thing that is killing our WinMo6.5 is not the OS but the lack of Apps - which is the main reason joe public selects phones. The main hindrance to developing apps for WinMo6.5 phones is the wide range of hardware - specifically screen resolution and inclusion of gyros, compasses, WiFi and Bluetooth.

As for backward compatibility, I don't hear a load of complaints about apps that worked in WinMo5 and can run now, but you can't use them because they require a stylus. Maybe if the developer offered a fair discount for upgrading, then that would solve the problem.
[HD2 General] InfX:
A dev should actually port the app first !!! And it really looks like M$ is doing everything to make the move from WM6 to WP7 as complicated as it can be for the devs. Let's start from no way to compile for WP7 in VS2008, yet, no way to compile existing WM6 code on VS2010 (actually, i am not 100% sure about any code for WM6, at all). How convenient, isn't it ? Ok, lets got on... How many programs for WM6 today are purely managed/.net ? Not many (i hope). Yet, there is currently no official way for a dev to running any native code on WP7 !!! Before i even mention my opinion on managed/.net stuff, performance-wise, how is that for an easy app porting ?

Anyway, what i wanted to say is, don't expect most of the devs, that do not belong to the corporate giants, to port their existing, free/cheap WM6 apps to the new platform that fast, if at all.
[HD2 General] wywywywy:
Why do you guys keep saying it is the same phone?

The HD7 has a much faster CPU/GPU.
[HD2 General] anhyeuemmaimai:
it does? since when is a 1Ghz snap dragon faster than a 1Ghz snapdragon?

GSM arena states

OS Microsoft Windows Phone 7

CPU Qualcomm Snapdragon QSD8250 1 GHz processor

same exact setup as the HD2.........matter of fact it has the same ram and rom size as the HD2 (the TMo HD2 actually has MORE rom space), not to mention the same screen specs right down to the color depth.

the difference is Dolby audio and welcome to LG Arena KM900 days
[HD2 General] anhyeuemmaimai:
1. no, not at all it's just that the OS is much more touch friendly giving the appearance of a better touch screen

2. no, there is actually less overall memory on the HD7 compared to the HD2. HD7 may have the same ram size but less rom than the HD2 for Tmobile.

3. Front camera is useless unless the carriers are going to start allowing video conferencing..........welcome to what Nokia has been doing for ages with front facing cameras on their phones.......

4. Totally subjective as HD2 is built like a tank like like most of HTCs devices, the HD7 should be no different in this regard.
[HD2 General] Tech Savy:
Second That

:D:DI will stick with my lovely HD2 for awhile longer (dual OS WM and Android, and pos WM7)... Why buy WP7 (same as HD2 but with WP7)... I read that WebOS is being ported to an Adroid phone as we speak... May even get a WebOS port to the HD2... Why would I want to lock myself down with WP7 crap... The box UI looks childish to me..... The WP7 UI is ugly.... Besides the HD2 lets try diff UI's... I'm really looking at the Android Tablets coming out this year and next...:D:D
[HD2 General] kreativemindz02160:
NAH

Nah, the HD7 dose not bring anything new to the table. If you already hold a HD2 or similar phone what the point.... I don't care much for Windows Phone 7 may be if the phone was compatible with T-mobile new hspa+ network maybe..
[HD2 General] dan138zig:
gosh, that is one ugly interface. based on that alone, i'm not upgrading.
[HD2 General] rr5678:
Nope, I will not be getting an HD7. I just bought the HD2 3 months ago :p

Derp.

HD2 = QSD8250

HD7 = QSD8250

so if the HD2 and the HD7 have the same processor, how does the HD7 have a faster processor than the HD2?
[HD2 General] webjunky:
+1 on that :)
[HD2 General] Symondo:
the UI does not look appealing in the slightest. when i saw first photos i thought this was just a basic framework - i didnt realise it was a finished product. Hopefully through time there will be a 'sense' UI to cover up these daft boxes.

Until its been tested, expanded, and actually made to look nice - i'll be sticking with 6.5 with the mass of programs and modifications i already have :) i may flash wM7 when it becomes available to give it a try, but defintely not upgrading for the HD7 - I'd hold off for its sucessor OR the desire HD
[HD2 General] wiseleo:
I don't really have a choice

As a developer who has to support mobile devices, I own a demo unit from RIM (ugh... it... works...), Palm (WebOS has the sweetest interface to my technology!), Apple (nice interface), and HTC HD2 (pure love). Thankfully, HD2 runs Android so I could skip buying that phone. :)

It would be nice to just run Windows Phone 7 on my HD2, but I will likely just purchase a unit (or acquire one at some developer conference :)). It's good to have multiple demo units when showing enterprise applications anyway.

The thing is, my HD2 for now is my "Development" phone. Just as I don't particularly care which Blackberry or Palm device I have, I don't particularly care what Windows Phone 7 device I will have. It may well be the HD7 :)
[HD2 General] rp-x1:
Same here.

I really don't understand why they didn't even bother with rounding the edges of the boxes, or would it look too 'Appley'?
[HD2 General] xaccers:
I reckon the designer's kids were playing with duplo bricks which "inspired" him.

Actually, if memory serves, MS were giving out Lego WP7's
[HD2 General] moegdaog:
no front facing camera

the thing thats makin me jelous of the EVO 4g which is the front facing camera is not even on the hd7 i just found that out yesterday when i looked at the specs and didnt see it..thats the one thing i was leaning towards to swap my hd 2..but its practically the same phone but with wm7..no thanks..6.5 is fine by me and i like twerkin the hell out of it..ill let wm7 be out for a yr before i put a cooked rrom version of it..and by then hopefully tmobile will drop an htc device with front facing camera but not ristricted like iphones facetime having to be on wifi only..hopefully like in europe anybody that hasa front facin camera can chat with you using a similar app or even the new skype if available by then
[HD2 General] Faelok:
The touch screen is the same.

If you're talking about storage memory than the hd7 has less since there is no expandable memory slot. Currently my HD2 has a 32gb microSD where the HD7 comes with 16gb.

As for RAM the Tmous HD2 (or any HD2 with tmous radio) has more at 576 vs HD7's 512.

There is no front-facing camera on the HD7.

Are you sure you weren't playing with the samsung focus? That is a WP7 device with a front-facing camera.

I'm sorry but the HD2 and HD7 are nearly identical devices in terms of hardware. Regardless of how many half-hours you tried it.
[HD2 General] Skeleton:
I will stay with WinMo6.5 for two or three more years. I like the HD2. I like it so much that I bought a spare HD2 with extra batteries (honestly). My intent is to stay on this platform as long as possible.

What I like about HD2 with WM6.5 compared to what Phone7 doesn't allow:

- micro SDcard is swappable.

- File explorer.

- ActiveSync with my Outlook 2010 (without needing Exchange server).

- Excellent productivity software (advanced mathematical calculators).

I am an engineer for which I use my HD2 a fair bit for calculations and referencing technical data files (doc, xls, pdf) - all accessible on a SDcard. Possibly after 3 more years, I will move onto Android - which by then should have much better selection of productivity software.
[HD2 General] JonnieLasVegas:
^ The first reason I didn't like wp7. Then after reading about how restrictive it would be I knew it wasn't even an option, HD7 or wp7 period.

Got to mess with my neighbors HD7 a lil bit the other day & wasn't impressed, yes the screen seems to lag less, but who knows how it is 24/7, could have moments as bad as or worse than the HD2.

I'll keep my HD2 as long as humanly possible, then we'll see where all the os's are & make a choice. But as of now I wouldn't downgrade from my HD2 to an HD7.....and what happened to the HD3, 4, etc. :p
[HD2 General] ocm7:
I'm not sure about the digitizer, but the screen is different. HD7 supports 16m colors while the HD2 only does 65k (which is a hardware limitation)
[HD2 General] concreteman:
MS did not learn from Iphone

I can't believe they released it without cut n paste. How many people sold their Iphones because of this when first released (we sold my wife's 3 days after purchase for this and no MMS) and it stopped my from considering it for a business phone. I cut and paste from calendar appointments and web pages to google maps almost everyday (director/sales rep). This was apples mistake 4 years ago - no reason to make this mistake.

On top of that no tethering????? what were they thinking (oh they will go and buy a mobile stick for their laptop). To my mind WM6.5 is the best choice for business phone users (battery life is the only gripe i have).

Why lose that edge.

I also have a SE Experia X10 with android - can't follow the OS logic - Not for me (not sure if it's the OS or Sony's setup). Anyway this phone is my spare but is playing up, crashing and will be off for repair. I only have it becasue it was free with resigning and my HD2 can sometimes run out of battery about 2 or 3pm if i can't charge it on the road or on site.

I like the HD7 for the touch buttons,(the hard buttons on the HD2 is probably why my phone goes flat so quickly (buttons getting pushed in the case). The kickstand also looks cool. Pity it does not have a better camera (i use my X10 as a camera too). I have read that you can change the Micro SD card inside the HD7 - i only use a 8GB in the HD2 so can probably do without the removability.

When they fix the Cut n Paste and tethering - i will take another look. Biggest problem is they probably won't bring them officially to NZ. Have not done so with HD2 and took about 12 - 18 months after release to bring int he TYTN II.

Thanks to Dutty - I gave my HD2 a new lease of life today.
[HD2 General] xaccers:
My understanding was the 65K restriction was a WM limitation in order to increase the speed at which graphics are rendered, not a hardware limitation.
[HD2 General] ocm7:
No, its the way its connected to the logic board (565 wires), allowing for 5 bits of red, 6 of green and 5 of blue (32x64x32). So it doesn't matter what OS you're running you'll always be limited to 65k. As far as i know its the same case for the Desire HD (Which already runs android natively and is also 65k)
[HD2 General] andweb:
I use software that will only run on WM but if WM7 doesn't Activesync it's no use to me as I don't use Exchange. Cloud / hotmail option? yeah right that'll be neat.

+1 on the No cut'n'paste, no SD swap, Lego UI, same HW

M$ are doing an Apple like lock down on tied software+store (i-zune anyone?) and wiping the slate clean on backward compatibility both in SW & HW which they probably see as the best option to build brand reliability, possibily something missing from previous releases? It's a commercial decision for them to compete in this market, they don't care about development as much as the size of iphone/Google market.

It's WM6.5 & HD2 for the foreseeable until some of the commercail SW is released on Andriod for me or WM7 develops.
[HD2 General] pack21:
LoooooL.....rell me....

Loooooool....

tell me....did M$ provide us a WP7s update to HD2?

I think no so, i will never buy another WM phone in my live, just if someone offer one for free.

Because of that (no wp7s update), i am now a Android embassator.

Go way M$, and come on a Gingerbread 4, dual-core in the future.
[HD2 General] mufch:
Upgrade not sure that's the right word .

Quite happy with my HD2 atm .

Apart from glueing my memory card in adding a stand (or why not lean it against something) and 720p video recording what really is there to "upgrade" to ?

Soon they'll be a lot of cooking going on with custom WP7 roms and the HD2 will be more than capable of handling these . Got WM and Android running on mine no problems so no need to get a HD7 or Desire HD .

HTC over streached themselves with the HD2 as a swansong to WM and now they are having trouble bettering it .

When they finally do and IF WP7 gets the missing parts from WM and stops trying to ape the awful Icrap then I'll uprgrade but untill then I'm happy with my "old" phone with it's old and new OS's
[HD2 General] xaccers:
cheers for the info :)
[HD2 General] eenbox:
Overall Windows 7 phone series operating system interface does not feel right, does not look right, does not have right "attitude" ... first review I was watching was explaining goods and bads - and go figure: first 4 tiles in the top screen CANNOT be changed because Microsoft said so - they keep them for themselves so technically whether you like it or not - you ARE forced to stare at their 4 tiles at all times ... even worse, you have to scroll for other tiles to see them - how stupid is that!? And besides the point that screen on HD7 is 4.3 - but still they managed to put biggest font size ever that cannot even fit the screen proving that MSFT made Zune phone hoping ppl will like it... NOT happenin brother!!! :)
[HD2 General] ekerbuddyeker:
i have an HD2 running WM and Android. I went to see thr HD7. Nve piece of hardware and I like the kickstand...

but in my opinipon the software is LAME. I think it looks awful. Certainly not attractive to look at IMHO. I think WM6.53 with CHT is far more attractive. BTW I also think its faster to do things on WM than Android.

So I am a big NO to WM7 until it looks nicer
[HD2 General] ocm7:
Got it from the irc chanell, and my bad; i meant the Evo 4G not the Desire HD (The DHD has a 16m color screen, Evo is 65k)