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[Desire General] UpSpin:
Stock Sense ROM: 6/10 - Stable, Sense (htc sync) - great for starters, but no BT HID support, no A2SD+, no customization

Other Sense ROMs: 8/10 - Same as stock sense with a few tweaks which makes it pretty good and usable. However, the important thing, BT HID, remains unchanged. It's also bloated with Sense which advanced users don't really use any longer, so I don't see a sense in Sense any longer :D

CyanogenMod: 5/10 - Customizable, BT HID support, but bloated with pre-installed apps and poor Desire support. It also lacks, as all AOSP Roms do a good Desire - Outlook synchronization.

OpenDesire: 7/10 - Better than native CM, BT HID, better Desire support, won't be updated in the future

DeFroST: 9/10 - Much better than CM, not bloated, reduced to the basic apps, totally customizable, HAVS Kernel, lots of themes and stable, BT HID. Why not 10 points? General AOSP issue with sync, and the update rate is really high and a lot of updates aren't stable. So you have to be careful in flashing the latest ROMs and maybe skip one, two, or three updates until you get a stable again. It's a ROM for tech lovers, to play around with the Desire and maximizing its use.
[Desire General] x5starguerillaa:
I was running the latest stable version of Defost when I first rooted my desire. I could only score it maybe a 5/10 as it wouldn't send MMS msgs and wouldn't connect to my cars Bluetooth system?

Went over to Cyanogen and all my issues were resolved. Cyanogen 8/10, it would get 10/10 but I sometimes get the occasional phone rebooting on it's own?

Also how many of you guys have used the Alpharev to S-off your devices? Should I go for it?

HTC Desire. Cyanogen 6.0.2. S-ON
[Desire General] Wekkel:
OpenDesire not updated anymore?

Thanks for the input. Just curious: how do you know that OpenDesire won't be updated anymore?
[Desire General] UpSpin:
@x5starguerillaa

As always, there's no perfect rom for each user. Some love that others this. I don't use MMS, an overpriced piece of junk in my opinion. SMS useless already, however, not everyone has a Smartphone, else I just use E-Mail. So I never noticed that something isn't working. That's why I don't complain :)

I have S-OFF, but never used the received freedom. Hadn't a use for it yet.

So no, it's not necessary, do it only if you really need it.

@Wekkel

Read in following order:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=8439017&postcount=7387

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=8503351&postcount=7744

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=8502826&postcount=7731

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=8439336&postcount=7397
[Desire General] Wekkel:
OpenDesire update query

Thanks. To me, it seems OD will be made a bare ROM and that updates will still be pushed via the included update_program.

Just trying to figure out whether Android 2.3 will be slipstreamed into OD at a certain moment :D
[Desire General] x5starguerillaa:
@ UpSpin.

Thanks for the info on S-Off. I suppose if I get more advanced then I may go ahead but I shall leave it for now.

And on Defrost Vs Cyanogen; I probably would have stuck with defrost had it not been for the Bluetooth issue. The customization options on defrost were better and installing different kernel's and stuff was a breeze thanks to its UI. I would go back to it if there was a workaround to fix my Bluetooth connectivity? Do you know of one?

HTC Desire. Cyanogen 6.0.2. S-ON
[Desire General] CrimzonEyed:
Can't decided on what non sense Rom to use. Maybe Miui if it had Swedish dictonary.
[Desire General] GANJDROID:
Sense HD 10/10

MIUI 9/10

But I love Sense UI, hence why I got a Desire instead of a Nexus. ;)

Sent from my HTC Desire
[Desire General] mad-murdock:
LeeDrOiD 2.2x

For sure the best Sense Rom - pretty stable and very well maintained. Great Community plus Website and people who care about it. I dislike Sense (see below), so i give it

8/10

MIUI 10.x

Interessting aspects of different GUI Design, nice approach, and a "must have seen" rom. Unfortunatly not my taste, since i like functionality as much as design

7/10

DeFrost

Obviously much love and work in it, but i hate to say i was disappointed. Where is the good stuff of cyanogenmod? Poor shell, no dropbear(sshd), not even htop? Hey, i am a linux freak, if you take away all the great linux stuff from cyanogenmod, what is left?

5/10

CyanogenMod 6.1 / nightlys

One word: Awsome!

Android 2.2.1, which none of the sense roms features

Aditional functionality like the notification-powerbar

insanely fast. if you are used to sense, you first go "wow, why is everything so smooth and fast?", if you play 3d games, you go "wow, why do i have no lags anymore and a stable framerate?", if you watch video from your cifs-server with arcmedia, you go "wow, why do videos start so fast, and why is skipping in the video not lagging like hell?"

i know all you guys love sense soooo much, but face it, sense is pure crap from system design view, looks nice, yes, but nothing you cannot replace with an even better app from the market. you get the weather clock widget, far better email apps and everything you miss on sense.

so the downside is (based on personal taste) missing some sense stuff, but the upside is always latest android, extreme speed, stability and the biggest community of all roms. not only one dev repackaging some htc stuff, but a whole crew compiling their own stuff. go for it!

10/10
[Desire General] sakai4eva:
Best Sense ROM:

LeeDroid 2.2x - used it since 2.2a, and haven't had an issue since. First few days will be a bit slow while it rebuilds its cache, but after that is smooth sailing. Left it because... I found out I don't need HTC Sense. Other Sense ROM that I've tried = MoDaCo, which wasn't as smooth or feature packed as LeeDroid.

Best AOSP ROM:

DeFrost is my personal favourite AOSP ROM. I have tried OpenDesire 4.0.36 and Cyanogen 6.0.1, but I kinda prefer DeFrost setup and it's overall look and feel. Definitely fast and smooth, IMO. And I love LauncherPro too :cool:

Final words; there are things in HTC Sense that you might not notice until it's gone, like the blue notification LED, text reflow, Friendstream (yes, I think it's better than the Facebook app), and having a the stock HTC settings (I answer a lot of questions in another forum, you see...) so sometimes I miss LeeDroid too ;)
[Desire General] darkwater13:
LeeDroid:

Best sense rom out there, but personally I prefer nonsense :P 10/10 for stability and great design though, if sense is your thing

MIUI:

I want to like it, I want to use it, but the lack of an app drawer in the main launcher is a real killer, and needs ext4 supporting, stable app2sd. 7/10 for now, will be 11/10 when those 2 things are fixed :P

Cyanogenmod: great rom, havent used since 6.0 though as I prefer defrost. still a 9/10 for great features/stability and support

Defrost: The best, most stable one out there in my opinion! has all the great features of cyanogenmod, a great OTA update system, and does everything I want it to. I always go back to it after trying others out
[Desire General] celestialspring:
Miui -- Best battery life I have ever experienced.

Cyanogen -- Most stable.
[Desire General] mad-murdock:
Cyanogen 6.1, five and a half hours of sleep, 2% battery drain. Does miui use less?

Sent from my S-OFF'd brain using teh internetz
[Desire General] celestialspring:
I lost like 1% overnight 10hrs plus (wifi / gps / bt switched off)

but have now moved to cyanogen as Miui did not let me choose which account I wanted to add a new contact to. May be there is a way.
[Desire General] CrimzonEyed:
If Cyanogen completely removed ADWlauncher i would maybe try it :p
[Desire General] celestialspring:
:P no they wont
[Desire General] mad-murdock:
You can remove that yourself and add launcher pro to the zip before flashing. Our just install launcher pro manually. Adw won't be used anymore then.

What do you guys like on launcher pro anyways? It has much less features and options then adw. Is it only for that one 3d effect in app drawer? Or for the widgets in the payed version?

Sent from my S-OFF'd brain using teh internetz
[Desire General] PERSIMMONS:
I'm still new to just figuring out what's so different between each ROM myself but I've flashed all the 'popular' ones. I'm still trying to customize and figure out which one is right for me. HTC Sense gets boring, but it's fun to play around with.

Defrost, Cyanogen, OpenDesire and LeeDroid are all fantastic for me. I just find a hard time sticking to one ROM. I find myself switching back and forth because I tend to get bored easily.

Defrost & Cyanogen 7/10 - I can't find my Market when I've flashed these ROMs. Maybe something's wrong *shrugs*

OpenDesire: 9.8/10 - I'm content with this, I like how it works and it's smooth and fast for me.

LeeDroid: 9.8/10 - This is the best Sense ROM I've tried up to date,
[Desire General] CrimzonEyed:
Launcherpro is much more stable and much faster. also yea for the widgets and widget resize and some more. Launcherpro is really customizeable if you look in advanced settings / apearance.
[Desire General] sakai4eva:
Google apps are in a separate zip. Update the GApps once you've finished CM or DF immediately before the first reboot.

And anyone here got a their Quadrant scores out? I got around 15xx for DeFrost 5.9 and 14xx for CM 6.1
[Desire General] PERSIMMONS:
Yeah, I was wondering what I was doing wrong so I tried reflashing and did this, thank you! :)
[Desire General] DarkInovator:
DeFroST 5.9 - 10/10

LeeDrOiD V2.2e - 9/10
[Desire General] mad-murdock:
Hmm, I did look at all options.but I didn't use it for long. If it I'd really faster, I need it. Adw takes pretty long to load, if it was terminated by android for memory issues

Swyped with my S-OFF'd brain using teh internetz
[Desire General] ring_GT:
Defrost 6.0a - 10/10 - the fastest rom I have ever flashed. Very stable too. Phone is really much better w/out sense. Dev releases updates too often though.

LeeDroid 2.2d - 9/10 -much better and faster than stock sense, with lots of features and add-ons. Would have stayed here if I did not try Defrost. Defrost made this rom look "slow"

Noonski rom - 8/10 - bare bones sense-based ROM. very, very clean and stable . Dev removed lots of programs (too many!). Quite boring though.

MIUI - 7/10 - tried this one for fun. pretty nice, except the homescreen reminds me of the Iphone. That alone made me give up on this one.
[Desire General] Sector51:
1. OD

2. Oxygen (still in beta , will be #1 in a few weeks)
[Desire General] FaithCry:
how long was your battery life?

i got 2 days out of average use on OD.
[Desire General] celestialspring:
I also got two days plus.
[Desire General] serialkillazzs:
pinky 1.8 10/10

all others leave out basic network profiles ie. GSM only selection,3g only selection and auto only selection.

please rom cooks keep all 3 profiles in Rome as android intended from the very beginning.
[Desire General] chris2busy:
Leedroid latest gets 10/10 for me..

The rest really can't go more than 6/10 for me because (google's fault here, i know devs are puting hours and nights into their roms...and i very very much respect that) vanila android Gallery, camer and video app, player , dialer e.t.c are just not quality ones...i mean really...gallery 3d is an aesthetic insult..

I had tried OD , CM , DF and Vilain...all good, the fastest one of those was DF,the most stable OD(minus the random OJ deaths it used to have back then) , but i am sticking with Leedroid!

Feels really good to be able to have a flavour for each taste :)
[Desire General] mad-murdock:
You are absolutely right. Launcher pro is superior to adw, if you give it some more testing. It's my favourite launcher now. Thanks for pointing this out, so I gave it a second try

Swyped with my S-OFF'd brain using teh internetz
[Desire General] mad-murdock:
I disagree it is goggles fault. Google gives us a fast and reliable base system which does it's job pretty well. If you like some features extended, use the market.

Htc takes goggles base system, rapes it, calls the bastard child sense and makes you like it, since it looks cool.

If you want it, be happy with it, but don't blame google. Many people **** on the bastard and live happy without sense. All you love about it can be replaced or doesn't matter at all

Swyped with my S-OFF'd brain using teh internetz
[Desire General] UpSpin:
sense is not just the launcher with its widgets. It's a complete overhaul. It has a lot of features which should have been integrated in Android since the beginning, especially does it give you a very productive system from the beginning on, without the need to install additional apps the first few days. So it's perfect for beginners (better widgets, better osk, better launcher, better stock apps, better number input, better dialer, than the plain stock android)

Also does it have features which won't be available in an AOSP rom by installing a market app

Tell me how I can add such a well developed copy and paste in an AOSP Rom with a market app?

Tell me a working offline sync app, which syncs between Android and Outlook without the Google cloud and without a third party calendar app on Android!Not everybody has an exchange server, nor wants to share his live with google.

written with Windows 7 handwriting recognition engine on a real tablet PC with pen input
[Desire General] milkpowder:
Even the email application is more advanced. I like Sense social integration and address book/dialer a bit more than vanilla Froyo. Anyhow. I'm on DeFrost 6e atm and enjoying the ride.
[Desire General] ring_GT:
yeah..sense does have its ups compared to AOSP, especially for those who just moved to Android. While I like sense, the ridiculous amount of RAM it needs for all its bloatwares is really annoying. And sense throttles the device, that is why devs had to come up w/ sd card fix(read only), gpu+ fix, zipaligned etc..and in the end it cannot still compare to AOSP roms speedwise. However, sense-based ROMS are usually more stable.

I am now running Defrost 6.0e and I must say I do not miss sense at all. Device works like a dream, a lot faster compared to leedroid 2.2f(w/c i came from), and very stable too. And the camera recording 30fps is definitely a plus.

All the limitations of AOSP roms mentioned above will be solved in the near future. With the advent of Gingerbread, Google will improve copy/pase function. And w/ the rate the Market is growing, developers are bound to create apps that will have the same functionality of all the HTC apps mentioned above.
[Desire General] herghost:
For me it has to be defrost! Battery life is reasonable, and as I charge it every night this isn't much of am issue, it would last about 3 days with normal use I guess, just angry birds is a battery killer!

Rom is fast and stable, with the choice of kernels, themes and boot screens + launcher pro I haven't found one more suitable for my needs.

I have been issuing it since 1.9 and out has seen many improvements, and now with 30fps on video I can't see how much further out can go until gingerbread!

I used open desire for about 2 weeks to give it a try, nothing wrong with the rom, just got pi$$ed off with the creator accusing every other dev of ripping him off in someway so decided to jump ship!
[Desire General] mad-murdock:
About the copy and paste thing: it's been a while that I left sense behind me, but I cannot remember, copy and paste was different from how I do it now. Select text or all, copy selected stuff, paste in another field.

Swyped with my S-OFF'd brain using teh internetz
[Desire General] UpSpin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WSxRUjiDD4

re sync: Just found myPhoneExplorer which does the sync very well, for free. I still need a google account to create a calendar, but the google account does not have to be synced to the cloud. So that's fine.

I also use an AOSP ROM, DeFroST, because it offers me more features and flexibility.

However, not every Android user is a tech freak who visits such sites as XDA. Most are casual users who want a phone, with a camera, GPS, browser and some tools to view PDF/DOC/XLS/...

And sadly, native Froyo does not give those new, normal, users a great experience. Sense however is ideal for most of them. So this is how native Froyo should look like in my opinion.

And if you want more, then you'll root, load an AOSP rom on it, switch the launcher to a more powerful but more difficult one, and make the ideal smartphone according to your personal taste.
[Desire General] shockem:
Don't laugh but i'll rate my own, Sensifried, 10/10! haha.
[Desire General] aaa:
I am stil in the learning phase of using Desire and have tested only 3 (latest) roms so far.

Leedroid : 10/10

Cyanogen : 10/10

In their own ways.

I like Sense but I also like speed (without sense), and it seems I can not get both speed and Sense at the same time.

Hmmm...

RCMixHD : 5/10 Camera is now working but I am having issues with this ROM. Robocik is still working on it.
[Desire General] derhannes1983:
LeeDroid: 8/10

MIUI: 4/10 too much iPhone style

DeFrost: 10/10 Nice update option in the menu, I like it most, easy to handle, many updates, no errors till now
[Desire General] sakai4eva:
Oxygen - 9/10. Should be 8/10, but for the extreme speed I gave it a +1 while -2 for some of the bugs and lack of features compared with other ROMs.
[Desire General] deflectn:
all CM based rooms ;)
[Desire General] jmcclue:
ROMS lol.. u dont need to dig up 2 n half year old threads to get ur 10 posts, try helping in recent posts/problems. :p
[Desire General] deflectn:
yea know i send pm to dev :P sry :o
[Nexus One General] mikej4:
I've been reading about this bug for awhile now and it finally hit me. What happens is if contact A sends you a txt message and you respond. The message thread will show that your response went to contact A, but the reality is that A may not have received the response, however C,D,E,F, Z,Y and X did! It seems to be totally random, will happen regardless of the SMS app or ROM you use and can be quite dangerous. This bug renders my N1 virtually useless. Anyone else experience this or has an update on the fix for this dangerous bug?

I recommend anyone with an Android phone to be use extreme caution when sending txts or mms messages as you never know who may actually get it
[Nexus One General] Rusty!:
Have read about it, but it's never happened to me.
[Nexus One General] Jack_R1:
Can you reproduce the bug reliably?

Can you dump the logs (/proc/kmsg and logcat, or bugreport) immediately after it happens?

Any pattern connecting recipient A and the rest?
[Nexus One General] elmerendeiro:
Nightmare!
[Nexus One General] Jack_R1:
How come that not even one person from those reporting having "this bug", wants to help find out, what it is? Very interesting.
[Nexus One General] McFroger3:
I have found that using handcent resolves this problem for me.
[Nexus One General] ttnurmi:
My wife have experienced the problem twice with Galaxy S, I haven't have similar troubles with my N1, although every now and then it takes time for some messages to go through. That is probably due the carrier, not the device.
[Nexus One General] cymru:
The only trouble with messaging i have is that sometimes when i select to open the thread at the top of the list, the one at the very bottom of the screen opens. Frustrating!!!
[Nexus One General] elmerendeiro:
I have this too in a pre 6.1 nightly...

But it's not the first time i hear the bug that SMS are sent to everyone, so it definitely exist
[Nexus One General] Jack_R1:
I saw the "reports" on the net popping up once in a huge while, but I never saw anyone that would report this bug and actually try to solve it, or assist anyone in solving it. Doesn't look like a normal bug report to me, and doesn't look like there is a bug. I know over 15 people with all kinds of Android, at least 6 with Nexus, and it never happened to anyone. The "bug" looks very fishy.
[Nexus One General] mikej4:
I can assure it is a bug and a major one. It is well documented if you google it. It appears to be across many different hardware platforms and therefore is most likely a source code issue written incorrectly in the android OS. And just because the 15 people you know aren't having the issue does not mean the rest of the world isn't. This is my 3rd android phone and this is the only one that does it and from I've been reading there are many others who are also having this random issue...I assure you, this isn't something that someone can do by mistake or accident...
[Nexus One General] Jack_R1:
In that case, if it's so well documented, how come that nobody has ever assisted anyone else in debugging it, yourself included?
[Nexus One General] nxt:
It's happened to me.

I receive certain friend's facebook updates as sms. One time I got the facebook sms. I closed it then replied to another friend's sms. Guess what happened.... what I sent to my friend got sent as a comment to my friend's facebook status.

Looking back at the sms log, I definately wrote my reply to my friend, not the facebook sms, but somehow it was replied to the facebook sms.

This bug has been around since Android existed.

There's really no way to debug this I don't think, unless you only have a few contacts that will text u if you write something weird... cuz having a phone full if phone numbers, your text can be sent to any number, even non mobile phones, you wont know since you thought u texted the right person.

Sent from my Nexus One
[Nexus One General] Jack_R1:
There's a ton of ways to debug everything, including even specifically modified SMS app for dumping debug data - it's an open OS, yes? If I got some beta application versions for debugging from app devs to test things, I'm sure Google wouldn't do less to debug it.

For starters, the next SMS I'll check the records in kernel log and see if there's any useful data to start from there.
[Nexus One General] mikej4:
Well I think you bring up two entirely non-related issues... First, if you google it, you will find a vast amount of people all having that same issue, which in my mind establishes the "well documented" part of my statement. Secondly, as far as me or anyone else participating in debugging, I would love to, but it's a little out of my sphere of knowledge. If you could give me a little insight into what needs to be done, I would be more than happy to do what I can to help solve the problem. This $500 phone is totally useless to me if I can't be certain who will be receiving my txt messages. Mainly, I've been waiting and watching in the hopes that google would get involved and resolve this issue without my having to get involved. It would appear that this goes back a considerable amount of time.

Can you list out a step by step process to go about this so that all who are having this issue can also participate? What should be my next step
[Nexus One General] Jack_R1:
To even try to start with debug, you have to have a rooted phone.

The useful place to look at would be /proc/kmsg. The question is - how much data it contains after sending sms. I didn't try to dump it after SMSing yet, didn't have time for it. I'll try to find time over the weekend.

If it won't contain enough data, modification in SMS application is needed, to dump the data there to help with debug. This is much harder for me, because I'm not an app dev, and I'll have a hard time trying to find and understand the relevant data structures to dump there. Basically, when you hit "reply", some kind of indicator of current SMS thread needs to be dumped, and everything else that might result in wrong number being selected - all the chain that determines the number that the SMS goes to. Then, once the SMS was sent to wrong recipient, the info needs to be dumped and checked.

The later part is "slightly" beyond my skills. It requires knowledge of SMS application and its data structures.

It obviously happens only to those that have their Facebook contacts integrated, so the mechanisms that take care of joined contacts might be something to look at.
[Nexus One General] vitorjna:
It never happened to me, and I've sent 12000 sms from my Nexus. Try using Handcent until this is officially fixed. Handcent is free and many people say it's not affected by the bug.