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[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] foxmeister:
Not again!

No task killers are *not* necessary. Some people perceive some benefit from using them, but in general as long as you don't have an errant app they are most certainly not necessary!

Also - the amount of free memory you have is not an good indicator of performance! Remember than by default Android does not "swap" and just because memory is being consumed doesn't mean that CPU cycles are.

If anything, freeing up memory by killing processes can actually slow the system down because the process might not be consuming any CPU cycles but may well be required later and so keeping it in memory will actually allow it to resume far quicker than it would do otherwise.

Regards,

Dave
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] floyd0815:
Hi Dave!

I am not a killer too! ;-)

But my system gets really slow after a while. (1-2 days, depending on how often I use the browser)

Before I have seen the multiple browser instances, I tried to make it faster by clearing caches and logs with no big change.

I know "the amount of free memory you have is not a good indicator of performance" but it was the only thing I noticed when the system was getting sluggish.

And as you can see in the attachments of my 1st post here, the android browser needs A LOT OF RAM (4 instances: 150mb+) and doesn't get killed by the android process managment.

PLEASE type in a terminal ps > /sdcard/ps.txt to save the output onto your sd-card and then post it here, so we can see if your system does the same! (your desire should have been runing for a while)

THX in advance!
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] foxmeister:
My ps attached. Note that I hadn't used the browser this morning (last time was last night), so I started it and opened all 4 windows to different sites before running ps.

It definitely sounds to me like the Android memory management is not running correctly on your device - have you done anything to it, or set up swap etc?

Regards,

Dave
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] floyd0815:
@Dave

THX for the quick response!

In your system are 2 running browser processes (and some FP_DoPlay = flash?), which could be normal, but one of them (PID 4734) is old and maybe should have been closed by the system.

Would be nice to check later again, when a task manager tells you, that there is no running browser.

And no, I haven't done anything to the memory management or something else.

Leedroid 2.2d + sdfix kernel + bright silence theme

Radio ***09.05.30_2

This also happend on PinkyROM, after that I did a full wipe.

THX

EDIT: In /system/etc/sysctl.conf is standing "vm.swappines=1", so on my system is swapping enabled?!
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] foxmeister:
I wouldn't expect the system to kill a process just because it is old if there is sufficient memory available.

Have you partitioned your SD card with a swap partition?

Regards,

Dave
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] floyd0815:
Thats true and I don't know if your sys is running out of mem, but in my case, android should close those processes. (only ~40mb left)

I also read, that the "vm.oom_kill_allocating_task=1" in the sysctl.conf means, android kills the processes with the highest mem usage, but it doesn't! (in my case)

And I haven't made a swap partition or customized the sysctl.conf. (stock from LeeDroid 2.2d) Just read, that ...swappines=1 doesn't take an effect if you haven't got swap.

But now I changed "vm.oom_kill_allocating_task=0" and rebooted.

Lets see what happens!
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] foxmeister:
40mb left is nowhere near running low on resources IMO - killing at 40mb free is just a waste of 40mb memory.

I don't have a sysctl.conf file at all, so "stock" isn't always stock! :)

Regards,

Dave
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] floyd0815:
T

But I see the android process manager working to free RAM, kicking out apps but not the browser, which is huge?! With the sysctl.conf "vm.oom_kill_allocating_task=1"?!

I don't understand that and I don't care anymore.

I make me a script like:

#!/bin/sh
ps|grep com.android.browser|grep -v grep|awk '{print $1}'|xargs -r kill
exit

und Pasta!
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] floyd0815:
Hi Vukis!

Seems that we are the only ones having this problem, maybe because others are flashing/restarting there Desire daily so they don't have/get it.

Try:

su
kill -9 10069
kill -9 10074
...

It's an aggresive killing, but the only way I know to get rid of these "zombies".

Regards,

Floyd
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vukis:
Thanks a lot! I killed those two with -9. Now i have around 150mb free ram! Yeah!

But I'm still seeing fp_doplay with 78mb ocupied through astro. Any chances killing this? Or is this necesary?

By the way I think we are having this because of heavy heavy browsing :)
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] floyd0815:
FP_DoPlay should be one of the com.android.browser in the terminal emulator.

Look at the PID and kill it.

In your case kill this ones:

10069 10007 0:00 com.android.browser
10074 10007 0:00 com.android.browser
27354 10007 0:00 com.android.browser

EDIT:

You can check it easier by entering:

ps|grep 10007

(vertical line only possible with HTC_IME_MOD or the android keyboard)

This should tell you:

10069 10007 0:00 com.android.browser
10074 10007 0:00 com.android.browser
27354 10007 0:00 com.android.browser
***** ***** 0:00 grep 10007

Then kill all, except the one with "grep".

Regards,

Floyd
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vukis:
Cooool! Now i have over 200mb free ram without restarting. No more fp_doplay.Thank you you solved my headache! Now I will have to learn a bit of linux commands
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] snq-:
@floyd0815: man pkill ;)
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] floyd0815:
Nice to hear that!

The badest thing of that problem for me was/is, that multitasking is gone, because the system tries to free memory and kills all apps, if they go in background.

And so do I!

I haven't managed to make a script for this so I will have to take a deep look on android scripting.

The script should only check if the sum of the TIME colum of "ps|grep com.android.browser" equals 0:00 and kill them, if so.

And it should be execute when screen goes off.

So if you are interessted / faster then me , go ahead! ;-)

Floyd
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] floyd0815:
???

Doesn't "pkill" kill and open the app again?

Floyd
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] snq-:
it does what you tell it to do

pkill -KILL com.android.browser
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] floyd0815:
I used pkill only e.g. when the gnome-panel in Ubuntu was corrupted.

But we have to "kill -9" them, so I think this doesn't work.

Also tried killall, but not pkill.

THX, will try it!

PS: Do you have/had same problems?

EDIT:

Don't know why it didn't work first time, but now "killall (-9) com.android.browser" also works.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vukis:
So no more smart script needed. Only this sentence :) coool! Will try that at next lag times
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] floyd0815:
An automatically executed script for that would be better.

I need a way to execute it when screen goes off, the right IF sentence/syntax and good luck. ;)

#!/bin/sh
FIND_BROWSER=`ps|grep com.android.browser|grep -v grep|awk '{print $3}'`
if (FIND_BROWSER==0:00) //Something like that, but with sum of column and with the right syntax
su|killall -9 com.android.browser

And we wouldn't have to think about it anymore!
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mathias1:
I would LOVE IT if this script would be possible!

I'm also having this problem! Never happened with a stock ROM though (This happened with both MoDaCo and LeeDroid).

Ever since I rooted, I've been using A2SD+ with 0 mb swap.

So, what will happen if I turn "vm.swappines=1" to 0?
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vpraveenis:
Why would you want to fiddle with the process, kill them and screw up an already sluggish phone? The OTA froyo is very stable and smooth. This is confirmed by many many users who are enjoying it. The sligishness MUST be due to some app that's using up CPU.

One easy way to find out your CPU is always being used is to see the battery life. If it seems considerably lesser that what it was before, then something is consuming the CPU cycles. If I were you, I will not bother about ram.

The other thing to do would be to install system panel application and enable the monitoring. Let the device run for a day and then check the each and every active apps cpu/memory usage graph over 24hrs... This will for sure indicate if any app is consuming too much of CPU.

Final choice is to back up your apps (Install Appbrain and sync or use Titanium backup or My Backup) and reset the device.

Too bad something is preventing you from experiencing the butter smooth Desire experience..my device has been up and running for a month now and it does not slow down even with setCPU running it @ very low freq when it is locked.

EDIT: I will not recommend restoring all apps if you are planining to reset the device since if there was any problem with an app or its setting, it would promptly get restored and you will have the same issue again.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mathias1:
Thanks for the tips, but I don't think you understood the problem.

The problem is that the Android System won't close the browser to clear the neccessary system resources. At most cases, the phone gets unusable and this should not happen. So, in the meantime, we need to find a workaround.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] floyd0815:
@praveenis

I already did a full wipe, flashed Rom and installed all apps again (with Appbak), but the problem remains!

@mathias

Tasker can execute scripts/code, but not with root permissions. So my idea would be to let Tasker make an empty file if screen goes off. Then we would need a script, that is looking for that file and kills the browser, if so. It should be placed in init.d and also delete the file, after the job is done.

I've written one, but it doesn't do it quite right. Will keep you updated about it. (could take a while)

Best regards
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] floyd0815:
Little update:

With "Tasker" + "Locale execute plug-in" it is possible to execute root commands!

e.g. "@! pkill com.android.browser"

THX for not pointing us on that! :-(
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] speedweed:
After i updated to Froyo from Eclair, i cant just set one alarm. I have to set one for each day, or the whole week etc. In Eclair, i could just set the alarm for 07:30, and it would ring 07:30 the next day. But if i set it for 07:30 now, i waits until the current day, and the alarm go`s off after one week. I overslept the first time i used this new ****ty alarm clock.

Sure, i can set the alarm for each day, but then i have to turn it off after the alarm go`s off, or it will go off the next moring.

This is of course not a very big issue, but its very anoying for me. I want to just set the alarm to a certain time, and not have to worry about wich day the alarm is set to go off. (Like the Eclair alarmclock did)

Is there any way to install the eclair alarm clock on froyo perhaps?
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] symanuk:
Its the same as Eclair for me !!!
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lupy:
Same here, the only thing that changed is the way you stop it :)
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Dave2312:
I just hit the "alarm repeat" button when setting the alarm and choose weekdays, i have noticed it no longer selects the next day as default, it now selects the current day, e.g if i set one now for 7:00am and didn't touch the day it would go off a week today at 7am, you need to select "alarm repeat" then scroll to the bottom, and you will see the days of the week in letters, unselect the current day and select tomorrow. Hope this makes sense :)
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] speedweed:
Yes indeed. It makes sense, its just abit more work than on the Eclair alarm clock, wich would go off the next day by default, and without any hassle :)

Ill leave this subject for now, but i still find it very annoying compared to Eclair alarm clock :p

Thanks for the replies.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] aditya104:
I too experience the same issue. Also have to deselect the previous selection and select new day every time editing the set alarm.

Was Eclair Alarm easy?
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] miscemayl:
Is there a fix to this?

This is my pet hate for Froyo
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kispaljr:
If I'm correct then most custom roms fixed this issue,

but does anyone know a way to install Eclair alarm clock without installing a whole rom?
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Dopedangel:
I start using alarm klock a free app so now have no problems.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kispaljr:
Yes it's a possibility, I know.

But does anyone know the answer for the original question:

Is it possible to install the old or a new fixed version of the alarm clock without flashing a custom rom?
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JJEgan:
You would remove the APK and install the Eclair APK possibly also the Odex as well .

But thats a question and belongs in Q&A section and may well get an answer as a new topic .

My method would involve reflashed custom rom with the files replaced at root and rezipped and resigned .

jje
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ulsa:
This is a solution posted in a Swedish forum.

http://www.swedroid.se/forum/showthread.php?t=30510

I'll try to translate:

1. Download attachment

2. Remove ClockPackage.apk and ClockPackage.odex which are loacated in system/app.

3. Put the file you downloaded in system/app.

Noone in the thread seems to have had any problems with the solution above.

I have not tried it and will of course take no responsibility if anything goes wrong...
[Windows Phone 7 General] at45:
If WP7 can be ported to the HD2 because it's so similar to the HD7, then surely it can be ported to the Wave which is very similar to the Omnia 7 using similar methods.

I'm quite keen on WP7 but all the good handsets are massive. I like the form factor of the Wave, which is a hugely popular phone. I think that porting WP7 to the Wave would be more worthwhile than porting to the HD2 since the HD2 isn't giving us anything new; it's just like a HD7.

I don't own any of these btw. I have an Xperia for now :)

Does anyone fancy taking up the challenge after the HD2 project is complete?
[Windows Phone 7 General] at45:
Oh, this should be in "hacking" really. Can someone please move it?

Thanks
[Windows Phone 7 General] Phone Titan:
I don't think there would be enough users who have that phone and want Win Phone 7 on it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] at45:
I'd tend to disagree. Not only was the Wave the one of the best selling smartphones this year, with over a million sales in the first 4 weeks, it's also practically the same hardware as the Omnia 7, but smaller, draws less power and sells for half the price. I think lots of people would be interested.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nicopilami:
Hi all,

I use the last Defrost ROM on my rooted Desired.

I just installed the Defrost apps pack;

The problem is I don't want to use all those apps, but i do not succeed to uninstall some of them;

I already tried to use Titanium backup to uninstall them, but it makes the system to reboot, and does not do anithing elses on those apps;

Then I tried to delete delvik cache, and delete data/data/the_app_folder either, but norhing worked;

Actually, it seemed to work, but the apps keep working as apk packages where still installed, even if the application apk seems to be deleted from RootExplorer,

Then after a restart of the Desire, everything came back :confused:

Can you help me please ?

bye

Nico
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] -WP7User-:
Maybe they are in system/app. If so, they're installed as system-apps, which you can't just uninstall. You have to delete the .apk via adb or modify the rom with the Kitchen which you can find here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=633246
[HD7 General] tboy2000:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqWasRO6RaM :D:D:D

Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxz1zO-Qyuk

Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9BAmYNSadI
[HD7 General] ThePhoenixUK:
lol, Bit of a nutter but he does raise a few valid points, a lot of which Microsoft can very quickly fix with updates, etc.

Worth watching though, was funny :p
[HD7 General] szaber:
This is not funny because it's true.

:)
[HD7 General] Audio:
Loved it haha nice find.

At 09:58 on the part 1 video his Zune Music & Videos tile is animating. Does anybody else's Animate? Mine doesn't :(
[HD7 General] matutemhn:
This guy is funny.... good video review .... it seems to me he doesn't like is HD7 very much...! :'(
[HD7 General] frontieruk:
Mine does, but I have a zune pass so all my music is from the market,
[HD7 General] forelli:
Damn funny, LMAO!
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kotysoft:
Hi there. I have an Ipaq hx2110. Yes it's a very old machine :)

1 year ago I updated WM2003 to WM5. Worked, but sometimes freezed, and shutted down. Some days ago I couldn't turn ON. OS loading freezes at ~20%, PS FORMATTING at ~60% (fading out screen, and no react for reset or any button, only react for battery remove)

I tought maybe the OS corrupted, and tried to reflash. After done, same problem..

(hp software couldn't identify the version of current OS).

Tried to revert to original WM2003... WM2003 no reacts for any reset or anything.. Black screen.

Tried WM6.5... WM6.5 reached loading percentage 100% (very slowly), but freezed after. HARD RESET same problem in WM6.5 like WM5... freezing.

only PRE-BL mode working well :D

I think this problem maybe connected to internal battery, but I dont know how to charge or test it, because charging don't start on Pre-BL.

My girlfriend bring PDA to her work.. tried to switch on and format, and said: OS loaded ONCE succesfully, just unfortunately battery falled out from pda when she picked up to configure OS, because no back was on PDA.... I don't know how she did....

All ideas will welcome, and thanks for help
[Desire HD Accessories] combat goofwing:
any one using one if so what make and where from the cheapo one i got off flea bay isn't that good
[Desire HD Accessories] leith51:
Picked this up from ebay its a tight fit feels comfortable in the hard seems nice and solid on the edges doesn't bulk the phone up and choice of colours nice cheap case till something better comes along quick delivery to

My item number was 190459832958
[Desire HD Accessories] combat goofwing:
whats it like for access to the power button, the one i got was a real pain to use the power button
[Desire HD Accessories] liorra3:
Same here with the power button...
[Desire HD Accessories] slimeruk:
I got mine from ebay too

I got ebay #220687867777

As above, it is a tight fit but the power button is the problem, likely all the same case from different sellers..

I superglued a tiny plastic fragment from a shampoo bottle lid under the cases button indentation and it's perfect. The smoke effect isn't so good where I put the glue but duh... its a solvent.

It came with a screen protector which was surprisingly good compared to the Zagg ones I have used before (and still have).

Total bargain
[Desire HD Accessories] combat goofwing:
well after initial getting one off flea bay it came and did the job but was bulky and the power button was hard to operate

then read on here about some one who got a very good one and no power button issues, so i got the link and ordered one and i have to say its excellent

fits a lot better than the other one and far less bulky and the power button is no longer a problem

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI....666119&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT#ht_1673wt_905
[Desire HD Accessories] berek9999:
After seeing this I ordered one of these, and I can confirm it works well - much better than the previous case I had, where it was a real pain to press the power button. Really fast (free) delivery and only £3.49 - bargain!
[Desire HD Accessories] Doktaphex:
Got a case-mate one today from carphone whore house :D it was a tenner with screen protector that I immediately threw away, as I don't see the need for a screen protector also it looked like it wouldn't fit that well. The case itself is pretty nice, I don't think it is silicone (maybe TPU) as it comes out of my pocket easily (you all know what I mean). It is very sleek and fits really well, power and volume buttons are easy to use so a win all round. Unfortunately it is not on either the CPW or the case-mate website yet (they had one type of case in stock and only one of that case in stock). Looking at the other case-mate cases I believe it is from their barely-there series.
[Desire HD Accessories] fz9999:
That looks great. My wife is about to get a Desire HD, I'm used to flexishield cases (which I think is brilliant for my HD2) - is this as good as theirs?

Thanks.
[Desire HD Accessories] lynxboy:
The case you are discussing in here is the same one I posted about in this thread. The seller I got it from sells it for a little less (£2.75) but it is exactly the same one. I have to say I have no problems with it, it fits well, all the buttons and openings are well cut and I would recommend it to anyone. As for the power button, the inital HTC design is a pain but this case helps out to some degree, that said, it is still difficult to press at times.

Regards.
[Desire HD Accessories] karthics4:
Is it worth buying a hydro case or a silicone gel case like these

http://www.londonmagicstore.co.uk/G...ro+Gel+Case+for+HTC+Desire+HD+%252B+Film.html

http://www.g5-online.com/mobile_pho...ne_skin_case_and_screen_protector_P12042.html
[Desire HD Accessories] themonkster:
I bought 2 of these the other day I gave one my friend who has the HD as mine doesn't come till Monday. The case looks fine and does the job. There is a really smart looking case on Play.com coming out at the end if the month. These will do until then.

Sent from my Hero Froyo'd Villian 1.5
[Desire HD Accessories] bobcatuk:
Thats the same one i got a few days ago, feels really good, buttons work fine, really happy with it :)
[Desire HD Accessories] netimes.com:
http://www.netimes.com/shop/index.p..._description=1&keyword=desire+hd+case&x=0&y=0

There are a couple of types available for Desire HD, and we have had no complaints so far. :rolleyes:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dorigny:
Hi all, am I the only french here ? Or maybe in the other country there is a time changes, but since this morning my HD2 changes itself the hour ! I try all the option, with / without time sync, I am on the last official HTC ROM ( new HR this morning I was with Energy ROM and there was the bug too ! )

So what am I supposed to do ? Am I the only one ?

Thanks
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kurt-willems:
Did you test to do a soft reset without your SIM card?

Reason way I mention this is because lot of peoples have communicate the same situation today, and after some test if thy remove the Sim problem seems to be solved.

This problem is in investigation by lot of custom rom builders, but at this moment we wait to see a true solution (But it seems NLD users don't have problems) but other aria users mention this problem to :confused:

PS; Take a look here and you will see you aren't the only one!

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=824307
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MaD-TiCk:
i also had that problem but with time zones changing, tried everything to fix it but no luck until i disable "My Location" and now the time zones or or time don't change
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NRGZ28:
Discuss this bug from HTC here... http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=824307
[General Questions and Answers] Amanha:
Hello all,

I want to hide a email account from touchflo, as I have 5 set up but one I dont use one of them that much but I dont want to delete the account all together. Does anyone know how to hide it? (Im not afraid to delete stuff in the registry)? - It would be a great help if someone can help me - Its only my 2nd day with my new XDA Guide

Thanks