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[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] sdc:
I have recently flashed my Tmo HD2 to Wp7. Fully unlocked with all Live services working. I have been a Winmo user since the CE days back in the old century. I love Winmo and always will....it's like an extension of my brain....lol

Yes, Microsoft pulled out a strategic business move which we don't know yet if it will pay off(at least as far as market share goes). And we(Winmo diehards)feel left in the dark like we just missed the bus to happyland. The few things Winmo lacks we may never see (full flash...silverlight), but for the most part it is the most customizable and useful OS. That being said, I really do like the new WP7. It is truly a "glance and go" OS. Which for everyday simple tasks, email, texts, ect. it is great(letting the kids watch Netflix on my phone is nice too). The downside as everyone on here agrees is the lack of customization. We are united under our "love" of Winmo but all want to be different through customization. They (DFT) are making leaps and strides with the hacking side the this new OS which is very impressive and gives great hope for the future of the OS. We all know you can dual boot Android on the HD2 with WP7 now through partitioning the micro sd. I wont do that because for one, Android is a cute toy that you can play with from time to time,but let's just face it people....it ain't Winmo, and second, the great news is that the next major project the DFT has announced is to dual boot the HD2 with WP7 and Winmo 6.5.x from a micro sd. For me, that is heaven! The only thing that I can think of that would be better is to run Winmo 6.5.x as an emulator on WP7 so we won't have to dual boot(which to me is annoying). I have all my old Winmo phones to keep me rooted in the true OS....so for the next bit of time I am using my HD2 with WP7 as a learning experience until the DFT make my dream come true with Winmo 6.5.x.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] andyk159:
Until any of the other OS's have the WM6 ability to sit on my desk in a cradle, syncing (calendar, contacts, notes and tasks) through activesync with my desktop PC without intervention, they will not replace it.

Also it just works with my bluetooth handsfree kit, again without intervention after initial set-up.

I like being able to try these other OS's as dual boot, but non will replace WM6 as my main OS.

Long may the WM6 development continue, and also the SD card dual booting of other OS's rather than the move to ROM builds.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] stephj:
When you visit the Expansys website here in the UK and filter available phones using Windows Mobile, it only lists six models, the same applies to Phone 7.

If you select available phones by Android, you get nearly fifty, although some of these are duplicated as different bundles, +SD card, cradle etc. The writing is clearly on the wall.

Interestingly, one of the Windows Mobile phones is an Airo Wireless. At over £500, it is a rather expensive item, but it is a waterproof, rubber armoured device that would probably survive being fired out of a cannon.

Post #38 above by Tpimp420, mentions Microsoft have rebranded WinMo as Microsoft Embedded Handheld, in the much larger Windows Embedded arena, and are targeting these types of devices for use in enterprise business applications/solutions.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsembedded/en-us/products/handheld/overview.mspx

Microsoft has wised up to the fact that there are countless thousands of these things already in use, in warehouses and factories as barcode readers and pick-list terminals, in airlines (as Point-of-Sale (POS) terminals), data capture devices as meter readers, or in the field as customer survey recording devices, etc... etc..... The list goes on and on. These devices may occupy a niche market, but it's still quite a big one, which needs and will continue to need supporting. In the field these devices get a lot of use/abuse, and when they need replacing, with what do you replace them? An I-Phone or Android device? They wouldn't last a week!

WinMo as we know it, might not evolve much further, but Windows CE, and Embedded versions of XP and Windows 7 live on, for new generations of tablet devices. Microsoft has announced that it wants a lot more Windows stuff to run on ARM devices.

Meanwhile, there are still millions of WinMo devices out there, and sites like this, that try to keep them running.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] coolsac32:
Sinc we got some stuff going on as far as discussions are concerned i am going to make another thread focused specifically on devlopement. this thread will remain up in concordance. calling all cooks developers and lovers lets get this thing started.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=10862337#post10862337
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] mofjel:
Yeah +1 from me too!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] elektrik2001:
I'm 'running android sense' on my Winmo 6.5.2 HTC TP2 device quite nicely thank you very much (thanks to SPB mobile shell and mobile 'sense' theme)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Corias:
Well, maybe I'm deviant, but I really like 6.5's Titanium UI. It's fast, thin and expandable.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] sponge_worthy:
I have also been a dedicated user of WM since my first Dell Axim x5. I also love the customizations that can be done. You aren't pigeon-holed into that same home screen as any other user if you don't want. THe options are seemingly endless. One problem from the start was the app cost. Also one of the appeals of iPhone and Android. There were plenty of apps that I might have tried or kept if they weren't $20.

I'd love to keep using my TP2 and would even like to upgrade to an HD2, but I'd really like to see some very useful apps that are now available for the other OS's. Something like Shelves/SpringPad that keeps your inventory of stuff and can look it up by scanning the barcode. There are just so many more useful apps that I can use on the Android (I will never use an Iphone) - xmarks, AAA, banks, and the list goes on.

I'm just really sad that the development of apps never took off for WM. It is the best option for serious users.

EDIT: I forgot that the big missing app for me is a scoreboard sense tab or home screen widget. Why is there not one? I've tried to mode the pocketsports center but it runs too slow with mortscript.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] jamalbleik:
i am so glad i finally found this thread, and finally found people who say what i think and feel. In spite of all the temptations around me, friends using androids and iphones, and in spite of the release of WP7, i am strongly convinced that WM 6.5 is a great platform. I am using a 6.5.3 on Samsung i8000, with the windows default panels after some customization. It's great and i am so sad that neither microsoft nor samsung have intentions to develop it further. Why abandon a great phone with a great OS, just to try to imitate others. I used my friends' phones as a trial, and i hated them, i am also not very encouraged by what i read about WP7. I want my WM to stay and to evolve even more, i hope someone there is listening to us.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] horizons1:
WM user for over five years, first with my trusty Treo 700wx and now my TP2. I am a product manager in the mobile space, and people think I am crazy still using WM. All I hear is iPhone this and Android that. Yeah, they got big market share and tons of apps. But like many others on this board, when it comes right down to it my phone does EVERYTHING I need it to do. The others - not so much.

Thanks to the fine folks on XDA, I have tweaked the hell out of my TP2 and rue the day I would actually be locked out of changing something that bugged me.

Just some of the stuff I use daily, many of which is born of the toil and love of XDA developers right here:

TaskSwitch + RhodiumKbdControl = a back button that works like Alt+Tab

Regedit

Pandora Tp2

IMDB

WiMoSpeed = overclocked nirvana

JSPAProgramManager

AwesomeStart

ResetSchedule

Co0kie Home Tabs

CorePlayer for video

PocketPlayer for gapless audio

Opera Mini

Bing Voice Navigation

Not to mention games and HTC YouTube, tethering, Qik, any email account, still-working Skype and the sometimes functional HTC Twitter apps. What don't I do with this phone?!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] olyloh6696:
I have a tg01 1ghz i wana upgrade to hd2 for bigger community and capacitive touch , advice?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] davidshooki:
In my opinion, the old palm hand held were the best (not the phones). quick, simple, all the apps/programs worked nearly exactly as I wanted.

iPhone is just an overpriced over-controlling toy, designed by someone who wish he could be a dictator. Designed for those who can't understand technology, too dumb to understand basic technology, too lazy to tamper with there electronic or too busy to mess with their electronics. Either way, if I ever become one of those, it may be time to move to a nursing home.

Android and windows are close ties in my mind.

Windows is loosing mainly due to user interface. If they just designed a slightly better interface (rather than design a whole new operating system), it would be pretty competative (at least in my case). But when they still stick to tiny drop down menues and tiny "Ok" buttons in an age that we are all using our finger rather than stylus, than they are just retarded.

In addition, Android is not an operating system. Google is developing specific app's for it and building up on these apps.

For example, google maps, google voice, google gps directions, google speech-to-text in all text boxes (I still have not figures out how to speech-to-voice in my sms messages when I am driving and using my HD2... I switch to my android on my HD2 on long drives just for that feature).

In windows 6.5 bing doesn't even allow you to paste text... as opposed to android, windows also doesn't recognize phone numbner or addresses in my email program... so I have to type the the whole address into bing. while on android a simple click on the address in my email will open google maps and gps directions.

These are all "relatively" simple features to incorporate into windows phone (without having to design a wnole new operating system and forcing us to abandon our old programs/apps)... but microsoft is just too fat of a cat to bother with that. Or, more likely, they just don't realize that this is where they are lacking. They are still stuck in a mind set related to Windows desktop where they had no real competition and think that people will swallow anything they offer or use whatever their business/company tells them.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] mregls:
There are some ROM cookers out there that will not let WM die either (well at least not just yet). I think without the HD2 it would have died already, but now with some great custom ROMs I will keep using it, as long as application development does not stop.

So all the WM developers and cookers have my respect and thanks!

Anyway, just my 2cents :p
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] gerryjoson:
I like stylus pens, it was the primary reason I found pocket pc's useful at the start

I don't smear finger excrement all over my notebook screen and ain't about to start with handhelds because Jobs said it's cool, if there's nothing to buy, so be it, I have three newish wm models that will do for quite a while, by the time they're dead, the latest trend will probably be even more massive and swipey big toe UI's or something equally retarded [the MS guy controlling the home entertainment system at CES with gestures and his voice was a good example of doing things the hard way and looking like a complete tool doing it].

It's surprising to see WM outsold WP7 [Q4 2010] considering the writing was on the wall a large percentage of last year, and there's very little to buy, one wonders how successful WM could have been if they had poked the same amount of money and resources into it as what they have for their new [and seemingly not very popular] dumb phone platform
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] OrpyDave:
Great post Gerry! :-)

I was starting to think that I'm the only person left on the planet that prefers using a stylus instead of "smearing finger excrement" all over the screen. :D

One thing that HTC have implimented in a particularly poor manner is the capacitive touchscreen; I've used 3 different HTC models and they all totally suck compared to the Crapple Iphone (this is the only good thing about the apple). It seems like every HTC randomly hits the adacent letter every other tap, making it virtually impossible.

Of course, having fat fingers doesn't help. But it's another excuse not to replace my Touch HD and its trusty stylus until it dies...

Dave
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] tamba52:
WinMo is the best...please dont let it die...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] jamalbleik:
the important thing is to find a way to let MS hear our voices, to force them not to abandon WM 6.5, but rather improve it and develop apps for it. How can we do that?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Nemesis2k9:
I 100% Agree! Is there no way to start a petition to keep WinMo alive!?

I have a HD2 and I still use windows mobile 6.5 and I have no problems with it.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] JoeR7:
OK here it goes:

Microsoft Windows Handheld road map:

1. Windows Mobile 6.5 (current HD2)

2. Windows Embedded Handheld 6.5 out now.

3. Windows Embedded Handheld 7 is coming ¾ 2011 (based on Windows Embedded Compact 7)

You can start to understand that WP7 is for consumer oriented device that MS need to release for the market that changes phones up to 5 times a year. It wont run an tablet and business have invested into WM and MS has committed to support WM to 2019 :cool: So, when you develop business mission crtical apps for your WM Mobile device you know it will be around and supported and most importantly you will have an upgrade path. WM will get the boosted functionality in WEH 6.5 that we need. As for realiability, I run the latest factory HTC roms!

I think WP7 will die out with no 3 above or just appeal to the consumer market only.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] jamalbleik:
can you please excuse my ignorance, but what is an embedded handheld means? i have no clue :(
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] JoeR7:
Copied from link:

Really, it's just a new flavor of Windows Mobile 6.5, which is built on Windows Embedded Compact (formerly known as Windows Embedded CE).

ref: blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/archives/211529.asp

if you read the link, read the comments.

eg: I know of power meters with 3G that ring back to the office but you would not want to carry around one of does!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] jbs68:
What you write is very fair and I also agree with you. But please, do not forget the people who owns MINI HTC HD with a resolution of 320x480 (HVGA) !!!!!!

Could you edit your first post and add the resolution HVGA alongside WVGA, VGA and QVGA??

Thank you very much.

King Regards, JBS68
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] photona:
adapt WM to current phones!

Windows mobile and its excellent syncronization capabilities are an essential part of my daily routine at work. But what if my Rhodium one day decides to fly to the happy hunting ground?

To let die WM really hard, developers rather should start adapting it to new Android - (or whatever) phones with current hardware than to try to use new Operating Systems with existing WM-phones ...

p.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] howhi50:
I sure do hope that this will be done.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] rumen80:
I don't think that WM will be left soon. Actually one OS is always dependable with hardware. So if new hardware is developed it will need a new drivers or even OS regardless of the name (WM, Android, iOS etc.). Of course one small, stable, flex and fast working OS will aways be an advantage.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] anand12:
Awesome thread!

+1. Totally hooked to Team WM. I would love to contribute in any way I can to keep WM alive. Complete fan of WM 6.5! I own a HD2. :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] ElectronX:
Since desktop Windows 3.0, I developed using Win16/Win32 at low level. Besides, I build my own Windows CE based operating systems using Platform Builder. Hence, I know Windows/Windows CE under the hood very well.

I have developed a few bigger projects with the Microsoft Foundation Classes. However, for many smaller tools I rather use the plain Win32 API based on a collection of my own frameworks.

I have never dealt with .NET (Compact) Framework. Also other languages like C# and Visual Basic were too unflexible for me. And now I am too old to learn new programming languages.

Hence, Windows Phone 7 is no alternative for me (no low level access, only .NetCF with Silverlight). Therefore, I have recently decided to replace my HTC Universal with a HTC HD2 and to register myself here in the forum.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Nurra:
I've moved to android a few months ago. I have to say that Im really happy with it and it kicks iphone's (idiotphone) ass all the way to the north pole. However, I've always feel this insecurity using it. Not that I haven't grown accustom to it, I'm not an iphone user after all. Well I do own an ipod touch. Anyway, I'm getting another winmo phone. Whether, winmo development continue or not, I'm still gonna use one. It's just feel nice to know that I'm using a winmo phone. You know, just to patch this hold in my heart he he:D.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Vukile:
So, with this partnership between MS and Nokia, maybe we'll see some fireworks. The only thing I dont like about Nokia is the Ovi store.My friends are paying for things we take for granted on WM. Nokia can design the crap out of a handset, though. Goodbye, HTC, we knew you well......:)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Dr.Move:
nice going ;)

but you have to give him credit for being right. I mean, take CHT 2.0 for example. it gives you 4 levels and 7 pages, that's like 28 fully customizable screens. add free links that you can post anywhere (and not on a limited 5x4 grid or something) and cusomizable widgets/icons that you can make at home instead of being forced to download themes and icons from the market. and not to forget the already included tabs which can be extended to include documents and facebook. so yes he's right, no matter what we do to sense it can't beat android sense, it can just rub its fancy nose in the dirt and laugh on it's puny capabilities.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] angelfire226:
I am sitting here with a tear in my eye. I feel like I've lost a long trusted friend. I have been feeling the pinch of looking at new phones recently as I did last year when I saw the HD2 lacking the TP2's keyboard and stylus. I am so upset with Microsoft for selling us out with promises again and again for an upgrade. Nice upgrade, Bill. You are losing your best customers. I use XP, WM and occasionally office suite and MS reader on WM. By eliminating WM, I have no further need for any of these except XP. Hrmmm... Can anyone say... Linux?

Thinking about switching to anything but a TP2 style device with better hardware and WM is just not an option for me. What? No memory card? I would die without at least an 8 gig card on top of the OS, usually needing 16 and I need a damn keyboard. I hate fat-finger retyping from an onscreen keyb.

I have read the first 9 pages of this thread waiting for someone to look at the only obvious option, a device with more power to run the existing OS, IF we can't port the new one. I'm really not unhappy with anything about 6.5, but I wish I had double the cpu and ram and maybe a few more great apps, like an amazing Google Voice app or suite that will dial out like icontact/idialer and dial back in like agephone and will run on wifi/3g.

Being a tech, when I made the switch from symbian to wm I was sold for life. I'm not dead yet. If WM dies, I'm keeping my TP2 with WM 6.5 until either it dies or I do, whichever comes first.

PS... Thanks to all the amazing and wonderful people here on xda that have given me such wonderful apps and toys to play with and continue to work on the development of 6.5 apps and are also working on solutions such as the Rhodium Droid projects. I can't wait to see more of what you all come up with for the LAST GREAT WINMO DEVICE!

xoxo

-Angel
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] TheCardinal:
wm will never die!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] laser21:
I hope so!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] dpowd:
Amen!

I cannot count how many times I've made these same arguments to friends and family defending my choice to use WinMo devices. My first was a Dell Axim X-30, then an Axim X-51V, an HTC Fuze, and an HTC TP2. Although I've tried several ROMs on each, seasoned with whatever the UI flavor of the month was, I always settled back to the classic Today screen. It gave me exactly what I needed. I ran Ultimate Launcher with three tabs: one that showed icons for about 25 programs. I could launch any of them from the Today screen - no swiping neccessary. And I could still see my messaging and Pocket Informant widgets all at once. The other two tabs held Battery Status and Pocket Weather, two more great programs.

To those that have commented in this thread about the lack of App Development for WinMo, have you never visited Handango.com (or other, similar websites)? There are hundreds (probably thousands) of programs for our devices. I deliberately do not call these "Apps" - the popcorn and bubblegum bull**** that tiles the real estate of iPhone screens everywhere. These are programs that cost some money. But you got what you paid for - mature, full-featured software that did some useful function, and did it well. In many cases, you also got the program's big brother to load onto your PC, at no extra charge! And, the two programs would synchronize with each other whenever you put the mobile device into a charging cradle. Anytime I've upgraded to a new ROM or new device, I just re-instrall the CAB files for my programs, enter the activation codes, and my programs are up and running without requiring any internet access. It seems that Android Apps want to phone home every three minutes, exchanging heaven-knows-what information about who or where I am.

I still have the last three of my WinMo devices, and yesterday, I bought a Samsung Infuse. It's a gorgeous phone, but this Android OS is driving me crazy. How could anyone design such a fantastic piece of hardware that is so entirely useless? Who does that? (besides Apple, I mean :) ). Most of the programs that I like aren't available for Android, and the ones I have found are heavily watered down compared to their WinMo versions. Very disappointing.

I've had an Android phone for about 34 hours, and all I think of is, there's got to be a way to get WinMo 6.5 on here. I read in a couple of the posts about running a dual-boot off of the SD card. Is that even possible?

Thanks for starting this rant. Long live WinMo.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] HD2of4:
Hello!

i love WinMo too!

my point of view:

iPhone = SmartPhone

WindowsPhone 7 = SmartPhone

Android = SmartPhone

WindowsMobile = PocketPC

i like it, to have a PC in my Pocket and not only a Phone..! :)

and with XDA-Developers (tank you all!), whe cane use other "SmartPhone" OS, like Android, WP7 or BlackBerry to go with the future to use some newer app's or other.

WindowsCE is now 14 years old and its still there..! Keep it alive!!! :D
[Droid X Themes and Apps] chelsea19:
I just made this, its my first one so everyone can tell me if it sucks but im proud of myself.:D speed looks good set to either 5 or 7 frames per second and that also helps on battery life!

I added some pics of the frames. below that is the .apk