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[Nexus One General] dudebro:
not going to argue with samsung using the best hardware but damn do they love apple's designs or something.

I can't stand that they make the design look like an iphone and touchwiz makes it more like an iphone.

if nexus two looks anything like this, even if it is vanilla android, i'm saving my money for a better looking vanilla android phone.
[Nexus One General] Mokurex:
Can't wait for Nexus Three. lol
[Nexus One General] grainysand:
I doubt this is real, anyway--a Nexus Two should be, just as the N1 was, ahead of the herd. Certainly not a refresh of an existing model. No way.

Dual-core, Tegra 2 chip, brushed metal unibody, or get the **** out.
[Nexus One General] FishFan319:
This. LIKE. Approve.

MAYBE, and I can only hope that Samsung scored the Nexus NAME ONLY, that it will NOT BE THE NEW DEV PHONE, just like the G1 was, but the G2 is not.

Thoughts?
[Nexus One General] wang1404:
Don't want this samsung crap. if google is really going to sell this as the nexus two. I'm waiting for the nexus three.
[Nexus One General] Rusty!:
Let's face it, there isn't one verifiable fact in that article.
[Nexus One General] mrbkkt1:
More like a nexus 1.1
[Nexus One General] EdwardUong:
I'm not sure, but Google's planning to shut down their Nexus One's help forum on Google websites on November 1st in a couple of days. That doesn't sounds good anyway.
[Nexus One General] antiochasylum:
That is just horrible, however that is a "mock-up" of what it was said to look like, not the actual phone.

And as Rusty! said, there is not 1 fact in that article. All bloatware.

And it should be deemed N2 RC1 if is going to look anything like that!
[Nexus One General] knightnz:
It's a false headline, there's no hand-on involved, it's mostly speculation and mockups. About the best they can manage it that it's _probably_ a Samsung based phone that is _kinda_ based on the Galaxy S.

Looks like a nice enough unit, but it's not a patch on the N1.
[Nexus One General] [IO]ERROR:
Fixed it for ya..

Sorry but I have to agree I was hoping HTC would build the Nexus Two. I guess this is Googles way of showing the world that Android loving is for everyone and not being tied to one manufacturer.
[Nexus One General] stickerbob:
I think you make a good point. That being said I also wanted it to be HTC.
[Nexus One General] JHaste:
bolded for emphasis

this is a huge downer... my n1 was the greatest piece of hardware you could place in your hand when it came out... this supposed n2 will still be trumped by the ip4g in most hardware specs which is upsetting let alone the body build... i mean plastic? really plastic? do i look like i am 10 years old (dont answer that :D)

i really dont know what i would do without my trackball to be honest haha
[Nexus One General] elkyur:
It just a rumor, look at it, where is the trackball! The design sucks and so the phone, please please some one tell that its not googles.
[Nexus One General] Mactagonist:
It really sucks that no one has been able to step up and make an Android phone as well built as the iPhone 4. Obviously I value Androids better notifications and carrier choice more then I do the better hardware of iPhone 4. But only barely! :)

I would be first in line to pay almost any reasonable amount for an iPhone 4 running stock FroYo. Come on Samsung, HTC, Moto et al step it up.
[Nexus One General] danger-rat:
+1

Apple do know how to make hardware, that's for sure...

Same deal with the tablets...
[Nexus One General] lambasurm:
gizmodo has just made a fool out of itself

anyone with common sense can tell that this piece of crap can't be the Nexus 2
[Nexus One General] krypticos:
i would buy this phone in a heart beat!!!

i agree this is what i would want to see in a nexus 2
[Nexus One General] breakeven:
I hate to say it. These are the same things that were said when the iPhone 4 mockup that giz reported on in April. I hope its good and after the g2 crap I will be in line to buy a totally unlocked phone.

Sent from my Liberty
[Nexus One General] Jack_R1:
Step up what exactly?

Screen? The resolution difference is beyond what the eye can catch, and the only thing "gained" is more work for GPU. The only reason Apple went with its resolution is to exactly double older iPhones' resolution, to make things easily compatible by stretching pixel into 4, when the program can't utilize the resolution.

CPU? GPU? Apple can't keep up with Galaxy S.

Touch? Current screens support unlimited touch registration.

Camera? Most of the current units have 8MP rear cameras and a front cam, and most of the cell phone cameras are mediocre anyway.

GPS? Only one manufacturer screwed it up until now, that was Samsung.

Magnetic/position/acceleration/etc sensors? Really?

So, WTF are you all looking for? What "better HW"? Some kind of official confirmation that you can brag with?
[Nexus One General] lsxrx7:
looks like a bunch of HTC fanbois here

i m with u guys, samsung sucks

google can google how bad samsung is compare to htc lol
[Nexus One General] loveact:
LOL

i agree with you :D :D
[Nexus One General] slowz3r:
Looks like ill be keeping my Nexus for a bit longer then if this really is the Nexus 2
[Nexus One General] PrawnPoBoy:
I would be 100% OK with a Samsung device as I've always thought HTC cuts too many corners with their device components, but cheap glossy plastic is NOT good enough.
[Nexus One General] RambJoe:
I might try to get a refund on my Galaxy S and get this. At least Samsung won't be in control of the software.
[Nexus One General] nexusdue:
N1 also isn't the god-phone it is made out to be.

We can all agree that the touchscreen sucks and the reception is horrible (the designer/tech who put the antenna into the bottom/chin of the phone should be shot). Add to that the hardware issues people have been experiencing: pink screen, power button, the teflon surface coming off, ...

Even the CPU/GPU of the N1 (which was great in Q4 2009) was underwhelming after other phones with better CPUs/GPUs came out in Q1/Q2 of 2010.

If Samsung hadn't screwed up the GPS in the Galaxy series, it would be one of the best phone on the market right now.

People here LOOOOOOVE HTC even though that company is just as bad (if not worse) than other manufacturers: I have had 3 HTC smartphones (iPaq, Kaiser, N1). Samsung's Galaxy S has one hardware issue ... compare that to the list of N1 issues above. And do I need to remind people of the 3D/GPU problems on the HTC Kaiser ... where HTC just plain lied to people and even XDA was up in arms and clamoring for a class action lawsuit?

Let's wait until the phone comes out before posting BS that this phone is the "worst evaaar".
[Nexus One General] ctbear:
This. Just because XDA supports most HTC phones doesn't automatically make HTC the best manufacturer.

In fact I would take a plastic Samsung phone over a teflon HTC phone any day, just because of HTC's poor customer support and corner cutting strategies.
[Nexus One General] Mactagonist:
The only thing I can think is that you just havnt held an iphone 4. The build quality of the device, screen quality, reception, battery life, quality of the camera (MP dont mean a thing) and overal styling, materials used and design are significantly better then the best Android devices.

Do you really think a few extra points on some CPU benchmark or a few extra MP mean anything? :rolleyes: iPhone is clearly superior hardware. Pity their notifications and choice of carrier partners are not superior.
[Nexus One General] william tanaya:
well. it's look like we got some "apple fanboys" here. and actually. all iphones is inferior to newer android phone. the screen quality, "retina display" so they called it, is not that great either. and did you says about reception? wow. who could forget the famous iphone 4 "death grip"? can you explain about that? at least android phones don't need "bumper" so you can call someone. and haven't you read articles about iphone glasses breaking? AND THAT'S WHAT YOU CALLED "iPhone is clearly superior hardware"??
[Nexus One General] -A-P-M-:
Samsung have great hardware, but their software is bad. Samsung's hardware and Google's software could be great combination. Lets wait and see, we don't know nothing about N2 yet. Next week we will know more and then I will make a choice - if N2 is right choice for a next phone or is better to wait for next HTC's flagship.
[Nexus One General] harpstar:
Androidandme is saying today that it will have 1.2 Ghz processor.

Androidandme.com -> Galaxy GT-I9010 clears FCC story.
[Nexus One General] Mactagonist:
Yeah it is. Dont believe everything you read in tech blogs. Antennagate and glassgate are tempests in a teapot. Much as I like my N1 there are plenty of tempests in its teapot as well. (text quality, color rendering, touch sensor etc) Likewise the Galaxy S devices (gps), the (Evo (microUSB ports, software issues like the 30fps limit and battery drain) etc etc etc

I say again:

The build quality of the iPhone 4, screen quality, reception, battery life, quality of the camera (MP dont mean a thing) and overal styling, materials used and design are significantly better then the best Android devices.

It is unfortunate that the notification system and choice of US carriers is not significantly better as well.

If you disagree why dont you start over and find some actual evidence to try refuting anything I have said.

If you decide to move beyond horribly written streams of nerd consciousness and compose a real reply I will be waiting. Otherwise, I hope being a troll works out well for you.
[Nexus One General] RambJoe:
http://androidandme.com/2010/10/phones/samsung-nexus-two-gt-i9010-clears-the-fcc/
[Nexus One General] Mactagonist:
Androidandme.com

"I like posting stories like this because people are quick to inform me when I’m wrong. An anonymous insider who has the phone in hands just pinged me and said the GT-i9010 is not the Nexus Two. He claims the new Samsung Nexus has much better hardware than the Galaxy S and features a 1.2 GHz processor. He also thinks the design is “more sexy” than the Galaxy S."
[Nexus One General] nexusdue:
That's what I keep saying! The iPhone 4 is probably the best hardware phone out right now. Antennagate is a flaw but it is fixable (with scotchtape, a case, etc) and at least Apple was proactively trying to improve reception (unlike HTC who seem to actively want to degrade reception ... see the Nexus One).

And who cares if a phone is plastic if it looks good?

My plastic HTC Kaiser was almost indestructible (I dropped it multiple times onto concrete without problems) and the N1 is a fragile eggshell in comparison (dropped it once onto wood from 2 feet and there was a small "notch" in the metal/aluminum frame ... tiny but it was there).
[Nexus One General] boogieTilt:
Nexus 2, I don't care who makes it as long as Google has some control over designs & hardware. Point me to check out!
[Nexus One General] Old MuckenMire:
Apparently not you since you would use scotch tape to fix a device flaw. :eek:
[Nexus One General] NexusDro:
Seriously, really? MP means something, but not everything. MP does play a role in picture detail.

Anyway, the Galaxy S also has the same 5MP camera and apparently the picture quality is not that bad either. Screen quality between iPhone 4's "retina" display and Super AMOLED differs from person to person.

@Nexusdue

It's not just the Nexus One that has the antenna put at the bottom of the phone. It's a common practice by many phone manufacturers to put the antenna at the bottom because they want to keep the radiation away from the brain as far away as possible, according to them...

But ya, I don't have any reception issue with my N1, just like how some ip4 users don't experience any antennagate problem.
[Nexus One General] knightnz:
HTC made the HTC Passion, Google sold the Passion as the Nexus One. The name is Googles, they can do whatever they want with it, lawsuits from James Cameron notwithstanding.
[Nexus One General] Jack_R1:
I'll reply, though I believe I'm wasting my time talking to deaf ears that don't understand what "hardware" means.

1) You can't judge "build quality", it's subjective. If you still want to try and judge it - you need to check the amount of flawed and returned devices that didn't pass QC, and the amount of devices returned for replacement because of breakdowns due to assembly issues (e.g. dust under screen in Nexus), vs other devices. Do you have such data to compare any phone with any other? I believe not.

2) Screen quality is subjective. As you say, "MP don't mean a thing", and resolution doesn't mean a thing either. LCD screen loses flat out to AMOLEDs for some, and some prefer it. Do you have any objective criteria? I don't think so.

3) Reception? Don't make me laugh. With such a basic flaw in the design? Ah, that goes for "build quality", too. But how does exactly that relate to "superior HW" that is argued here?

4) Battery life? How's that related to HW again, remind me? The battery itself is superior? If you can prove they have rated 1700+ mAh inside - I'd understand that claim. Do you have any such proof? If not - I claim that iPhone4 battery life completely sucks a$$ compared to my wife's HTC Touch that lasts a week on a single charge, thus HTC Touch has superior HW by your logic.

5) Quality of the camera? It's SW post-processing you're talking about, unless again, you can tear down iPhone4 and prove that it uses some super-duper different camera with super-duper lens, that isn't available on other phones. Can you prove it? Don't think so. You can probably check the teardown and compare to see, what other phones use the same HW (cam + lens + motor).

6) Styling? I don't like this piece of metal-cornered brick by any means, and I think that Nexus is one of the best-styled phones I saw until now. Prove me wrong, using objective criteria.

7) Materials? Really? Are you mechanical engineer, having enough field expertise to judge the material and design cost of several different phones and compare them, or are you just talking the bull**** that you're fed?

I believe you can understand my point. There are 2:

a) you and any other complaining about iPhone4 HW superiority have absolutely no idea what HW means. HW is the chip and the board, the screen and the box that holds those together. Nothing else. Almost everything that is HW, is in the specs (except of the box materials usage). And by specs, iPhone4 doesn't make it any better than any current Android phone - and where it does, it doesn't matter (screen resolution and additional accelerometers).

b) Your perception of HW is flawed by the clever marketing, which is undoubtedly one of Apple's strongest points.
[Nexus One General] nexusdue:
At least I am not a douche-bag dumbass that doesn't even know what he is talking about:

http://www.machoe.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/iphone-4-decal-wraps-580x580.jpg

http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/gadgets/apple/iPhone4/part2/1.jpg

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l5q6y1drji1qz4rgr.jpg

http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/gadgets/apple/iPhone4/part2/2.jpg

So how do you fix the reception issues with the POS N1?
[Nexus One General] Old MuckenMire:
Yes, you are.

and I have no reception issues
[Nexus One General] nexusdue:
Reception on the N1 is pretty ****ty compared to other phones. Doesn't mean that you are affected (if reception is great anyhow) but if you are anywhere where reception is not top notch the N1 sucks ... and if it ever looses reception it takes AGES to get it back.

I admire that crApple tried to be proactive about reception, though it is pretty pathetic that they did not catch this issue during their testing ... a $0.05 clear coating on the metal bands could have prevented this problem.

Is the N1 the worst phone ever? No.

Is it the best phone ever? No, not even close. I would argue it's mid range (considering the expectations for it, one could probably argue that it is below average due to its many hardware problems).

MP in photography aren't worth the space it takes to print them. It's all about the sensor quality, the optics and, I guess due to the introduction of HDR, capture speed.
[Nexus One General] nexusdue:
Fixed that for you.
[Nexus One General] lay_forat:
why so hate about samsung i like to see samsung nexus two with amoled 1.2 ghz processor .....
[Nexus One General] Old MuckenMire:
I've checked your past posts and the only troll is you. You cannot have a discussion without name-calling because your points are bankrupt of any intellectual honesty.
[Nexus One General] Jack_R1:
And not any less than that (one could argue that even more, because at a given time the HW has more or less the same limits across the board) - SW/HW postprocessing. There's a reason that point-and-shoot cameras utilize quite sophisticated CPUs.

And nonetheless - MP still matters, if the differences are huge. From 3MP and up the difference starts to diminish quickly, though, and as in the point above - at a given time MP capabilities of the cameras in phones are more or less the same across the board.
[Nexus One General] lay_forat:
and i like your boobs horny Old MuckenMire
[Nexus One General] Rusty!:
http://www.technewsworld.com/story/71142.html
[Nexus One General] Old MuckenMire:
I could live with Motorola making it...It's funny tho how they talk so matter of factly about a Nexus Two when the only word from Google is there would not be one.

I put them there to brighten everyone's day :D
[Nexus One General] Mactagonist:
I feel like you are trying to take this in some kind of weird anti Apple anti iPhone direction.

The point of this reference to iPhone was to show how important design, good hardware (not just big numbers on a spec sheet) and a solid premium feel are. Android would do very well to emulate the iPhone there.

Edit: forgot to close a Bold bracket.
[Nexus One General] PrawnPoBoy:
I Motorola built Nexus phone would be awesome. They make some quality hardware, but their recent policy of locking down the boot loaders was very poor judgment on their part. Too bad it's not being made by them.
[Nexus One General] rajendra82:
The idea to lock down the hardware is most certainly a decision made by Motorola. Verizon didn't make them do it, as they didn't make Samsung not lock down the Fascinate hardware. Motorola has confirmed that locking down the hardware is part of their business plan, and the Droid was an exception to this.
[Nexus One General] ohgood:
i just wanted to point out i have much fewer reception issues (phone caused, not carrier caused) with the n1 as of late.

my current fixes:

updated radio

updated cyanogenmod rom

using AIRPLANE mode to toggle the transciever on/off. it takes about 10 seconds if/when it happens there is a transmission problem now. it used to take a reboot, or three.

just wanted to pull something positive from this thread. :)
[Nexus One General] NexusDro:
A premium laptop like the Sony Vaio Z uses carbon fiber in the chassis. I wonder if it is possible to use this material to make a cellphone. I think carbon fiber is lighter and stronger than aluminum and obviously glass.
[Nexus One General] Matterhorn:
I agree that the N1 has a problem with the antenna at the bottom of the handset, but it is only a problem if you don't know that the antenna is not at the top. I hold the phone by the top and not the bottom and I get better reception than on my other phones, and WAY better reception than an iphone.
[Nexus One General] boogieTilt:
The Nexus One is the best phone I ever had!
[Nexus One General] mingkee:
We don't know whether NII becomes reality or not, but GT-i9020 passed FCC is real.

http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/fcc_query.php?gc=A3L&pc=GTI9020

It does have AWS 3G band.
[Nexus One General] j.bruha:
I want Samsung to build the Nexus Two because I want a 4" Super AMOLED with vanilla Android and a front facing camera.

I don't want Samsung to build the Nexus Two if they use the same cheap plastic that was used for the Galaxy S line.

Our Mesmerize at work already has several noticeable scratches all over the back cover just from it being handled and set down on solid surfaces. The same type of plastic was used on my I8910 which suffered from the same effect. By comparison, my current Nexus One has only one scratch from a high impact Nexus-on-Nexus collision when my girlfriend's threw hers at me. Other that that, screen, bezel, teflon back, all look as new as when I bought it and I have dropped it several times. Just the trackball that looks like it's seen better days.

Oh and no reception problems. Ever.
[Nexus One General] PrawnPoBoy:
Damn, I really should have proof read my previous post before submitting it...

Anyway, I'm sure the software locking was all Motorola, but I would assume that if Google were to ask them to build a developer phone they would make sure that it is open for modification. The Droid X sure feels solid and the soft touch on the back is very HTC like. It's a shame they are so locked down.
[Nexus One General] OrganizedFellow:
Very brave for them to admit that.
[Nexus One General] william tanaya:
EXACTLY! that's what i want to say too. but unfortunately, we have some MacTards here that wouldn't listen because of it's an apple products. they think it's the best thing ever, and nothing can beat it.

well. android beats apple fair and square. with 200,000 activation a day, you can calculate yourself how much android phone sold compare to "IPhonies".

http://techcrunch.com/2010/08/04/android-activations/
[Nexus One General] boodies:
I love Android but let's be real here... Iphone4>Nexus 1

And cmon, u really think the nexus two will be a Galaxy S? I mean seriously, are you guys that gullible? Because some dork from Gizmodo said so right?.... Considering the mean age level on this forum [nexus one] seems to be below 18, I guess u guys are.
[Nexus One General] daijizai:
Interesting opinion... I dissent.
[Nexus One General] dnsp:
Care to explain why the Nexus One is better than the Galaxy in terms of hardware. Apart from the build quality I cannot see any other advantage. But it's understandable since this is the N1 forum.

SGS with a good file system ie Ext2/3/4 instead of RFS will leave any HTC in the dust.
[Nexus One General] boodies:
Yes and I am confused as to why they decided to go with RFS. And as you mentioned the fixes are everywhere in different forms. Either way, that's a mistake they will learn from. Just like they did with the whole update fiasco. And why the hell is this thread still alive? Who cares man, just enjoy your phone guys.
[Nexus One General] tameracingdriver:
I had an SGS and now have an N1.

Yes on paper the SGS is better (except no flash on the camera).

However, the reality is very different. The SGS is an unreliable pile of ****, which is why I got rid of it. The N1 is simply fast and more reliable, and nicer to use.

If the N2 is what this article says, then I know my future wont be with it, as I refuse to buy any samsung product again after the crap products I've had from them.
[Nexus One General] going_home:
Whether its Samsung or not, if Google does put out a new developer phone, I want one.

If they do release a new "Nexus" theres a reason behind doing that.

The original will stop getting updates at some point, and updates are something

I want yesterday, if you know what I mean.

;)
[Nexus One General] ChongoDroid:
Look at a picture on an N1 now at an iphone now back to the N1... yeah.. amoled colours over resolution any day. Sharp text? What am I 80 years old plus i don't hold my phone close enough to my retina that I can decipher pixels. Iphone 4 < nexus one simply because it doesn't have android.
[Nexus One General] typ_ex:
wasn't gizmodo correct about the iphone 4?