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[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
I know you are being serious but I really have to ask out loud if you are serious? Is your memory that short? Let me waste some time and post a recap:

Android Lifecycle

Android 1.0 - Released September 23rd 2008

HTC Dream / Google G1 - Released October 22nd 2008 w/ Android 1.0

Android 1.1 - Released February 9 2009

So it took Android 4 months and a few days to get to the first update. The list of missing features was long. iPhone sales were 11 Million in 2008. But you know what? That did not stop Android from becoming the success it is now.

This is just a situation where people are screaming doomsday on the whole project much too early.

My honest prediction: You will be eating crow.

Reason #1 - Windows Phone is a solid platform that is different.

Reason #2 - Windows Phone is favorably reviewed. Engadget. GSMArena. TechRadar. You name it.

Reason #3 - Microsoft is rich beyond comprehension, have the resources, and WILL support the product.

Reason #4 - Handset makers are on board. Even Dell. Who said it is easier to make a Windows phone vs an Android phone.

So for the people that like Windows Phone and are willing to stick with it, I bet at the end of the year the phone will be different in operation, comparable in feature set, and better in some areas (like gaming) vs Android/iOS/Symbian/Rim. Then we get to look back at all the doomsdayers and laugh.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jgcaap:
Give Time to Time and you'll see this OS grow. I'm thinking on buying an iphone for fun :) i'm sure this will be the next deal.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Yes some time is needed here to see how they will manage to upgrade the platfrom.

I would like to stay, after some weeks of experience with WP7 I don't want to use anything else.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ruscik:
I am pissed off with lack of features in WP7 that is why I kept my HD2.

There is a point to statement that MS should have released a phone with all features but it should be changed to with more features, to be exact 2 or 3 that are still missing.

If it was out as it is plus copy/paste, bing maps that work outside US with navigation and more BT profiles it would stop lots of people complaining.

I am also realistic and know some things will come and most of them is what I want and am missing but I also know that some things will come from XDA developers only. I am willing to wait as HD7 hardware is still at the top and I do not see next generation of handsets being much faster.

At the end my HD2 will serve me for another 2 years before it becomes properly outdated until then I can run WM6.5, Android or even ubuntu so am happy.

One thing that does piss me off, that goes to MS but also google or apple, is not giving a fixed dated for update release and what is in it. They make more harm to them self that way as plenty will buy phone anyhow but quite a few are waiting to see what will be updated and if they wait to long they buy other handset.
[Windows Phone 7 General] kappo78:
Let me ask, say im on the phone and a text message arrives, can I view it while on the phone?
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
One word: "Kin"
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
That sounds like a multi-task. No, WP7 doesn't do multi-tasking.
[Windows Phone 7 General] canadariot2312:
Yes you can. Just about every phone can do that. I just tested that.
[Windows Phone 7 General] kappo78:
Ok, so I just found out that WP7 doesn't have a like for like service to that of microsoft myphone, so how do you backup all of the data on the phone?

EDIT: Oops, nvm, I see that this is answered but not straight forward in regards to sms :(
[Windows Phone 7 General] bennyj71:
windowslive.com For your contacts.
[Windows Phone 7 General] canadariot2312:
This might seem a little confusing but...

1. You're on the phone. New text message arrives.

2. Hold the phone away from your face so you can see the home screen.

2.5. Put on speaker first if you don't want to be rude.

3. Pull phone thing up so it will eclipse into your notification tray. Should glow (theme color).

4. Another notification will indicate you have a new message.

5. Go into your message hub.

6. Read message.

7. If you are done with the call, swipe phone notification.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ruscik:
Or move it away from your face, press winfows key and then message tab. To activate speaker put it face down for a 2s (HTC phnes atleast).
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tone_:
More of your FUD, yes can read a text when on the phone and if the WP7 does not multi-task how come I can listen to Zune whilst performing other tasks?

And why is this a sticky - the first thread in the WP forum?
[Windows Phone 7 General] ruscik:
So that MS people that visit here can see what w think and pick up on an idea or two.

WP7 does not fully multi-task yet. If you read all the posts you would know that. Only core Microsoft WP7 apps fully multitask.
[Windows Phone 7 General] kappo78:
No, your confusing what I meant. I was referring to the backup of sms's.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Reflexx1:
For clarification:

The WP7 OS is fully capable of complete multitasking.

As a design choice, MS is not letting 3rd party developers have the APIs for this without special permission. Permission would be granted on case by case basis.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tone_:
There is a much more extensive list on the official WP forum.

No what Marty wrote was FUD if you took a second to read the post I replied to you would understand it was very specific and yes you can use the radio and text function at the same time.

WP7 does multi-task you are getting confused with 3rd party apps.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
I take it you live in a highly censored nation where they don't allow freedom of expression...basically have to say only good things about everything. You must be too young to understand the free flow of ideas and expressions.

http://www.wpcentral.com/multitasking-coming-wp7-pandora-can-multitask-now
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tone_:
Marty you are deluded - I don't think it's good that certain API's aren't yet available or that 3rd part apps cannot multi-task or the fact you cannot sync with outlook on the desktop.

But you are basically telling people lies - I have read text's whilst on the phone and you said this is not possible because the OS cannot multi-task, I am not sure if it's because you are computer illiterate but the OS does ulti-task.

It's nothing to do with censoring there are issue's that need dealing with as quick as possible but you are like a bad smell popping up in every thread slating the product and telling lies.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Read the link. NO MULTI-TASKING
[Windows Phone 7 General] canadariot2312:
Actually WP7 can multitask, but only stuff that involves it's own OS. Pretty sure that most people think that just because it can't third part multitask means that it can't multitask period.

Oh and on another side note, Pandora sucks.

Back on subject before this becomes one of those other threads, save messages as a draft.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
When I say multi-task, I mean being able to quickly and easily select any running app. I don't mean tapping the back button to get to the main screen and then tapping any of the tiles to go to what you want. And I also don't mean being able to get to a specific task that pops up while in another screen. The multi-tasking that WP7 doesn't do is having a display to choose all the currently running programs and tapping any one of them, right there, to get back to them. Even WinMo, with the addition of a task manager, allowed better multi-tasking than WP7's meager junk. WP7 will likely never have quality multi-tasking...or task management.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tone_:
marty you need to read it again, the updated story says Zune plays in the background, how is that possible if the os cannot multi-task. Lol
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
That isn't what I consider multi-tasking. Multi-tasking...what everyone is wanting...is being able to conveniently, quickly and easily see a display of some kind and choose between all of the currently running functions or apps. What you get with WP7 isn't real multi-tasking. It is simply background service. You can't get to anything that was running without tapping either the home button or the back button. And the back button basically is only a rewind of your tasks. The home button is as quick as it gets for multi-tasking. You tap the home button, find any app you want and tap it. You have no way of stopping anything running in the background either...unless you use the back button to rewind through all that you did. But only in order, not anything specific.

A good example of multi0tasking is WebOS. Quick and easy access to any and all apps running and, with ease, stopping them. You don't get any of that goodness with WP7. You don't even get the iOS style of task management.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tone_:
So basically you admit the os can multitask and would like better task management, why not say that instead of spreading fud.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
No, it can't multitask. I never said it could and still say it can't. Can it have several apps running in the background, yes. But that isn't multitasking. Can you go to any specific running app and stop it?
[Windows Phone 7 General] cougargt:
I've only looked at the phone in the store for a short time. So I can't really talk about all the long and short comings it has. But what really gets me is (other than no C&P} that WM was a smartphone platform that I've been using since the "Thera". I have a lot of apps that is still use when I work. And from what I understand won't load let alone run on the new WP7 platform. And I don't see a growing future for more app development for WM. As someone that likes to use my phone as a tool to help me with work and not facebook. I can't see any other option but to keep my Tilt2. It does the things I want, and don't care about already. Why would I switch to a "dumbphone" that only seems to do the things I don't care about?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tone_:
Marty you are clueless, the os can multitask do you really think that all the phones in built functions are tomb stoning?
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
If WP7 can multitask, what is the point of it? Multitasking just for the sake of it running multiple programs? What good does that do you?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Reflexx1:
Sorry. But you don't get to redefine multitasking.

The WP7 OS is fully capable of multitasking. 3rd party access to multithreading has not been made available to devs. It's a design restriction, not a missing ability.

What you describe is App Switching.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Reflexx1:
WP7 would not be a good choice for you at this point in its life cycle. It's not meant to be yet.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Okay, what is the point of Multitasking? Is it something for the device or for the user? If it's for the device, why? If it is for the user, how is the user going to use it?

And as far as app switching, why is the WebOS multitasking considered to be real multitasking? It switches apps.

EDIT - Thinking about it, I also disagree about WP7 having the ability to multi-task. It may have the capability, but it does not have the ability right now, if ever. And remember, I don't consider apps running in the background to be multitasking. Only when and if those running apps are selectable and stoppable will there be multitasking. Until then, there is no multitasking in WP7....you may consider it to be, but the majority of users would disagree with you and ask you how can they change apps if it is multitasking.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Reflexx1:
Whether YOU consider it multitasking isn't relevant. The fact is that it does have it. The OS is fully capable and it uses it in many of the first party systems.

APIs have not been made available to third parties to take advantage of the OS's ability to multitask. It is a perfectly reasonable desire to have that made available. It's related to design philosophy, not OS capability.

As far as faster app switching, that would also be a reasonable desire.

As for the ability to stop an app... That's all automated. There currently isn't a need for a task manager to kill a background process.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tiwas:
MartyLK: Even though I consider you a troll, I'll bite...

There's a good reason why multitasking is not available to devs. One of the reasons I can think about is if I consider my app to be soooo important that I need to hog resources. That would all of a sudden make the music player stutter and the phone to lag. Do we really want that? No. Do we really need multitasking? No.

The thing is that most apps don't need multitasking, yet most devs love to incorporate it. What do you really need background processing for in a phone?
[Windows Phone 7 General] FromOuterSpace:
About multitasking.

Windows Phone 7 can do multitasking. That's it. It's supported by operating system itself, it's used in default UI. There is no question about it.

From user perspective, "multitasking" is being able to run several programs at once, for example, listen to music, while browsing internetz. It's supported.

From technical perspective, everything is fine, except background threads isn't supported.

That means, any custom written application, can't run in background.

Why it isn't supported? Answer is quite simple, MS doesn't want to break the general phone experience. For example, if developer A writes an application, which run a background thread, which checks internetz for some new comics let's say, it will consume battery way too fast, also, it will use resources, which could be spend elsewhere.

Nevertheless, I do hope MS will come up with new api to support background services.
[Windows Phone 7 General] CSMR:
Not true, using exchange activesync (exchange, hotmail, gmail etc.) you can sync emails, contacts, and calendar items.

Currently, you cannot sync tasks and text messages, but I expect those will come soon.

Other missing features:

Cannot install software out of marketplace.

No SIP VOIP.

Additional fonts cannot be installed.
[Windows Phone 7 General] CSMR:
This is not supported unless these programs are part of the OS. From a technical perspective you may be right. But from the user perspective, and in reality, there is very limited multitasking. If you get two apps from the marketplace, you cannot have them running at once.
[Windows Phone 7 General] CSMR:
The WP7 OS is not fully capable of multitasking. Maybe what you mean is that the OS internally has multitasking elements inside it, or that Windows CE is fully capable of multitasking, and WP7 uses some of that capability. Maybe you are seeing CE as the operating system and WP7 as a layer on top of it? However, as an operating system, WP7 is not fully capable of multitasking, it has extremely limited and almost non-existent multitasking capabilities.

It's not a philosophy, it's a real lack of capability in WP7.

Since you seem to be referring to CE, I agree that CE is capable, and that means that the windows phone OS can easily be made more capable in future.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Reflexx1:
You've got your information wrong.

While WP7 is not a layer on top of CE, it is an OS rewrite that still uses CE at its core. The old CE elements are very much part of the WP7 OS, and not a separate entity.

3rd party applications have not been given access to multitasking, but the ability is there. Currently only first party applications supplied with the OS take advantage of multitasking.

Multitasking could be made available to third party developers if they wanted to do so. All it would take is a decision from the higher ups to allow it. It wouldn't require a brand new OS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Zedox:
Fact: Multitasking is apart of the Windows Phone Operating System.

Fact: Windows Phones currently uses multitasking.

Fact: Currently, all 3rd Party apps cannot take advantage of multitasking.

Fact: Application Switching != Multitasking

If you think otherwise, you are incorrect.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ruscik:
And how would you switch to that app? It would require minimum a basic task switcher which is not available, back button is not it.

If you had your app that you put to background, then game, then text, then e-mail if you want your app back you have 4 steps to go and one of them, game, will be quite long.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ruscik:
What is Multitasking - To schedule and execute multiple tasks (program) simultaneously; control being passed from one to the other using interrupts; To handle multiple tasks at once.

Suspending an app to start another is not multitasking as the other app is not working. You can multitask only on selected apps so phone is at best partially able to multitask.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Reflexx1:
This is valid.

An app switcher would be nice.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Zedox:
1. Multitasking does not only apply to 3rd party applications.

Example: Downloading an application while at the same time browsing the marketplace.

2. Partially multitask? No. It has full capability to multitask otherwise alot of what you are able to do on the phone would not be possible. The capability for 3rd parties applications to multitask is not available.

3. Your idea of multitasking is the advertised view of multitasking, the actual view behind multitasking is implemented in Windows Phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Reflexx1:
The OS can multitask. You are admitting it here.

The reason it only works on selected apps is by design choice, not phone capability. They have stated that the decision was made because the OS is new, and it is meant to attract a bunch of casual new users. These users are not technically savvy, and don't know about manually managing threads running in the background. Thus, for new users, battery life and overall system performance could take a hit if too many apps are running. And new non-techie users wouldn't understand why. Instead, they'd just think that WP7 is slow or uses a lot of battery.

Would I like to see multitasking available to 3rd party applications? Yes.

I'd like a task/resource manager that would allow up to one third party application to run in the background, and alert you when keeping this program running could interfere with the performance of another program you open.

But for now, MS has made the design decision to not allow 3rd party devs to have access to multithreading. And they have chosen to have the OS not keep tasks from 3rd party application open in the background.

They have stated that on a case by case basis, a developer could work with Microsoft to get access to run in the background if it is really necessary. But I imagine that allowing that is going to be pretty rare in the short term.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tiwas:
Actually, you're incorrect. Multitasking doesn't say anything about not putting other threads to sleep, and it sure doesn't say anything about parallel processing. Just being able to run more than two programs (with one thread each) is multitasking/threading even though one of them is sleeping. So, by using MS's stack design, it is, by definition, multitasking even if it doesn't wake threads up.

If you want to know if you can multitask or not, fire up a threadpool. If it doesn't die, you can multitask. By using tiles you can even do some sort of background processing.
[Windows Phone 7 General] -WP7User-:
For me, the "Can't connect to hidden WiFi's" is a pretty massive problem... 'Cause two or three of my friends have hidden WiFi's and when I'm at their home I have to use the internet from my carrier now (and I've only got 500MB there)... And a second, even bigger problem is, that I can't configure a static IP-Adress for my phone. And our home-WiFi has all IP's set static. And if I just connect to my WiFi, it has to restart all 2 or 3 minutes, because there are IP-Errors (or something like that - my phone has the same IP like my PC, because my PC is turned off but my router has the IP set static for my PC...). So I'd have to change to DHCP and I don't want to do that 'cause it would be a hell lot of work! Does someone know an App maybe where I can change my phones "automatic" IP to a static IP (maybe if I have the WP7-Jailbreak on my phone)?
[Windows Phone 7 General] jeffgeno:
Just change the range of addresses your router hands out so they don't conflict with the static ones in your home network. If you have your PC and other devices assigned 192.168.1.2 through .10, then make sure the DHCP server on the router is handing out addresses from 192.168.1.100 and up. It should be a simple setting on the config page.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Custom ringtones! I guarantee there are plenty of returns and lost sales because of this simple thing.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Reflexx1:
Agreed.

MS is targeting people making the change from their feature phones to smart phones. This is one of the few things that feature phones do. It is something that someone who newly upgraded will try to do.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gammite:
i learned this for myself today. i will be sticking with my tilt 2 as well.
[Windows Phone 7 General] truffle1234:
i moved from my TP2 to HD7 i dont miss my TP2 or its Keyboard....... i could not be happier... i think its a very good OS..
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Even though I consider you to be a fanboy, I'll attempt one last time to get through. The modern lingo and adoption of mutitasking on smartphones has to do with being able to run multiple apps or programs and be able to easily choose them or stop them. Regardless what the dictionary defines mutlitasking as, the fact is, the majority of people know it to be exactly as I described.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Reflexx1:
There you go again, attempting to change the meaning of words to suit your own needs.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ceo4eva:
How about this!!

No options to hide Windows live/all other social network contacts from your telephone app..

Basically if you open up your contacts, all 10 million of your friends show up instead of your sim imported contacts ... >.<
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Not at all. Just being rational. Take a poll of people about what they think mutitasking is and the majority will say what I said. Not trying to change a thing.
[Windows Phone 7 General] apine:
I thought there was an option to only show Facebook contacts that are already there from live/google/sim? ie. filter out contacts that are only on FB
[Windows Phone 7 General] The Gate Keeper:
he wants to hide windows live contacts as well as he only wants to see sim contacts.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Reflexx1:
In computing terms, most people have no idea what multitasking is. If clueless people are what you are trying to use as your argument, that alone shows how weak your argument is. The type of people that would support you also have no idea what a thread is. Does that mean we should redefine computing threads to mean strings of cloth? It's ridiculous.

You can criticize the OS in valid ways without having to blatantly lie like you do. And then try to excuse it by pretending that a well documented computing term means something else.
[Windows Phone 7 General] 0711:
Big disadvantage for me:

no myphone support

there is no build in search in the marketplace (wtf!)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Reflexx1:
That is pretty big.

Actually, anything MS product or service that doesn't integrate with WP7 as well as other phones do is pretty big.

I don't even use myphone. But there should be a way to move all that stuff over.
[Windows Phone 7 General] kabumm:
when i am in marketplace-app on my mozart and press the search button, i can search the marketplace. without any filter or something, but at least it works ;)