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[EVO 4G General] rutter9:
if you do ghetto things like that, you'll live just that kind of life.

good luck with that...
[EVO 4G General] david279:
Get ready for tiered data plans.
[EVO 4G General] playya:
Hahaha you should pay for it? Why because they tell you too? Hey simple man root your phone thru unrevoked(easy as hell) then use pdanet or caulkins method or flash a rom that has it already integrated.

Hey your paying an extra $10 for extra bandwith so use it. Why pay $40 more now to stream on your phone..hey AT&T is 15 a month for dsl a year...so it may be right but it ain't smart..... Also I believe unlimited bandwith is for aircards and not for wireless. There is a thread discussing that. At the end of the day too each his own....
[EVO 4G General] playya:
P.S. I don't abuse or really use tethering but I don't see the problem. I don't use 90% of the internet based stuff on my phone but I pay the $10 and don't complain...
[EVO 4G General] sobis1dm:
The reason I came to Sprint is because they allow it, and every rep I've talked to knows this. What good is the ability to push unlimited data (which, please, most people here can burn 11GB in a day, let alone a month) if you're morally restricted to limiting yourself to the competition's tiers anyways? Sprint's angle against the Big Two has been unlimited data for a long time now, and they're not going to switch it. If they do, I can promise you that the reason is NOT some guy using PDANet and watching a lot of streaming football while he's at work.
[EVO 4G General] Kcarpenter:
My 2 cents: our ten dollar a month 4g fee....covers truly unlimited data, at least that's how sprint justifies it. Even though I have used upwards of 9 gigs without ever touching tether. 10 or 15 is not that bad, imo.tiered plans are a scare tactic . Att feels the pain of that already. Hardcore users have started jumping ship now that they realize 2 gigs is nothing the more they use their phones.
[EVO 4G General] sobis1dm:
You're right in that 2GB really is nothing nowadays. Sprint offers On Demand television, live sporting events, and devices with screens big enough to actually utilize these things; and when Netflix comes to Android, do they really think users will stay within 2-5GB?

Even without Netflix or tethering, Evo can burn through caps like noone's business on push alone. The phone was built and marketed as a multimedia powerhouse - stream HD, refresh your FriendStream every 15 minutes, push the news, get your email, upload huge photos from your 8MP cam, all within a few swipes.

It makes sense for Sprint to cap the non-premium data users, and just use that as an incentive to make $10/mo from that many more customers. But seriously, companies really should start focusing on making the network's capacities better - not limiting the consumer.
[EVO 4G General] aysiana:
I second that!!
[EVO 4G General] werxen:
We aren't losing unlimited bandwidth. We pay extra for not having 4G in our areas aka a 'richer data experience'.

This is that richer data experience. Tether it up.
[EVO 4G General] chas123:
It all boils down to exactly what Hesse said, "........as long as it stays reasonable."

If you tether while away from home/office and use the phone for what it was designed to do, that is probably reasonable.

If you are using your phone as your primary internet connection that is not.

That being said, if they are going to cap data, they are going to have to drop or totally redo the evo. The way it comes setup out of the box, it will not take long to hit any cap like the other carriers have.
[EVO 4G General] ChristopherBurg:
There is no way for Sprint to determine if you're tethering or not. Music streaming from Pandora looks the same whether it's done using an Android client or the web page via your laptop.

I'll also chime in on the people claiming users shouldn't "abuse" the data service on Sprint. As pointed out by others when we purchased our Evo 4Gs we had to pay an additional monthly fee of $10.00 which covered "truly unlimited data" (as opposed to regular unlimited data I suppose). We are paying Sprint for a service.

If the service I'm purchasing is for unlimited data then using unlimited data isn't abuse but utilization of the service I'm paying for. Saying that your abusing an unlimited data plan you're paying for by using a lot of data is akin to saying you're abusing an all you can eat buffet because you're eating too much.

Now getting into tethering is a different issue as it goes against the service plan you purchased from Sprint unless you pay the additional $29.99 a month. I'll not touch on that topic as I'm only talking about the use of unlimited data on a plan that is understood to be exactly that.
[EVO 4G General] skantman69:
I say tether away. I do lots and lots of it. I get my moneys worth. Sprint needs to upgrade their network to keep up with their equipment and extra data rich charges instead of ***** about it.

Sent from your Moms EVO using 4G speed
[EVO 4G General] chas123:
Tethering is kind of what being discussed in this thread. I see your point though, and any data your phone pulls should be covered. Streaming Pandora and playing graphics intense video games on a pc are two different animals. I tether on occasion, and do not pay the 30 bucks (IIRC it was cheaper to tether a wm phone?). But if enough people start using their phones for a primary connection, it will eventually screw it up for everyone. They will go back to paying a non "ghetto" isp, and everyone else who needs to tether for a few hours a month will have to pay the fee.

Watch this:

http://www.5min.com/Video/How-to-make-a-powerful-wifi-antenna-59501398

then start catching packets from your neighbor and hack into their stuff if you're really that cheap.
[EVO 4G General] firemedic1343:
You must get some serious lag issues. Jitter/ping times are horrible. You must not play any shooters (well).

www.MeanCanary.com
[EVO 4G General] akastixx:
bad analogy. plenty of people have stayed in a buffet for hours and hours to pack in as much food as they can. it seems ridiculous, but deep down, you know that it has been done, and people have been kicked out for it. the same goes with 4g. there is no clause saying 20+gb/month is not what sprint intends for you to use this service for, but you and i both know there are people who will do it just because they can. i'm glad there is not a cap, but i'm sure the fools that like to push the envelope will make one occur eventually.

your analogy is like the mcdonald's hot coffee clause - they assumed people wouldn't be cretins, but when someone spilled and sued, they had to write a dumb warning on a cup that most everyone shakes their head at.
[EVO 4G General] Antagonistt:
I think his analogy is dead on...the McDonalds hot coffee analogy is flawed. If the McDonalds analogy stayed inline with the one for data, Then McDonalds would not have issued a warning...they would have started serving cold coffee...thus throttling the "heat" (Data). I would have to agree that if I PAY for something...I should get that thing (within reason of course).

I would see nothing wrong with Sprint issuing a statement just as McDonalds did. Something to the effect that they provide unlimited Data, but spell out their interpretation of "unlimited". Such as Unlimited "access" to data up to XXXGB per month. After XXXGB has been reached, you MAY be subject to Data throttling. Even carriers without unlimited, such as T-Mobile, don't just cut you off. T-Mobile has one of the higher caps, but when it's reached they just switch you over to the slower data network and from there it truly is unlimited.

I think we all have to keep in mind that no matter how many of these devices are sold, there is still only a niche set of people that will use the amounts of data that we are talking about here. Whether or not that's abusing it or simply having a need to explore its potential is left to the individual to interpret, but I really don't see the cause for alarm if 2-5% of the users are "overdoing it". Even the cable companies tried that on internet usage for a while by capping the high end users. That same thing would be a better solution than a cap on all users. And even then it should only effect repeat offenders as some of us may have spikes in our usage that we don't normally have.

Bottom line...what's the point of unlimited...if it's not unlimited. Imagine if that applied to the air we breathe, would we just all walk around holding our breath because we didn't want to use up our allotment? :confused:
[EVO 4G General] xHausx:
You can but it's like everything, in moderation. Just remember you are breaching your contract by doing so. If you use it as your main ISP and use a ridiculous amount of bandwidth on torrents and what not Sprint can and sooner or later probably will call you out on it and they can make you pay for it by the kb.

Someone looking at your data usage could EASILY find out if you are tethering a computer or xbox through your phone. We have unlimited data for our phones only, our contracts specifically state that it does not apply to other devices unless you pay the $30 for it.

All web browsers have a signature so websites know what to do, using Internet Explorer or a version of Fire Fox for windows is a dead give away.

http://whatsmyuseragent.com/
[EVO 4G General] SMARTPHONEPC:
Try to walk in on that all you can eat buffet with your entourage without paying extra..:D

Unlimited data & mobile hotspot are a couple reasons that the EVO & Sprint are attractive but it's unlimited for your EVO not for all its buddies unless you also pay the Mobile Hotspot fee & even then there are clauses in the agreement such as:

"We reserve the right to deny or terminate service without notice for any misuse or any use that adversely affects network performance" & "We reserve the right to limit, suspend or constrain any heavy, continuous data usage that adversely impacts our network performance or hinders access to our network." Search the agreement for "reserve" & you should find more of them.

I'm

not

trying to piss on your party or be a buzzkill (or before anybody accuses me-suck Sprint teet) with this post, just looking for an honest, quasi-intelligent discussion with some comrads:cool:

Personally, I'd like to be able to tether on occasion but if I find myself using that feature significantly, I'd try to cut back-have to ask myself if it's worth it to me to pay the additional $1/day or that potential headache of them enforcing their rights.

I'm a bit surprised some of the heavy users have heard no complaints yet from Sprint like other carriers. This will likely be a bigger issue as we use more devices..

P.S. - Don't worry I'm not a bandwidth-narc " :eek: "
[EVO 4G General] ChristopherBurg:
That depends on if those customers are staying after closing hours or not. When you go to any business there are generally a notice of hours the establishment is open and you as a customer realize you will be asked to leave if you remain in the store beyond those hours.

Also the intention of a service is irrelevant as far as a service goes. Sure Sprint doesn't intend you to use 20+ GB a in a month but if they have sold you unlimited data they can't really claim abuse in any way. I did end up using 11GB of data my first month with my phone without tethering (mostly Pandora and Last.fm). Of course others have pointed out there are terms in their contracts that allow them to terminate service and any time for almost any reason but my main gripe here is the use of the term abuse.

Abuse indicates you're not just using the service you've agree to but somehow utilizing it outside of the agreed to terms. That's why I was talking specifically about data usage and not tethering. Tethering does qualify as abuse as it's specifically not allowed based on the terms of use you agree to (unless you pay an additional monthly fee of course).

Any browser identification can be spoofed so that's not a reliable method of determining the source of data. Likewise if they are looking at all your data going across then yes they can make assumptions on your traffic (for instance BitTorrent traffic that's unencrypted is identifiable). The problem is they can't know for certain if the data originated on your phone or not. There very well could be a BitTorrent client running on your phone grabbing data. Of course things like XBox Live traffic is probably going to be a dead giveaway but alas most traffic is going to remain unidentifiable.
[EVO 4G General] asbessette:
So with the wireless tether app....can "both" me and the better half use our laptops on vacation via my EVO? Or is the app limited to one computer?

(Her laptop is packed away until hotel time - otherwise I would just see for my self) :-)
[EVO 4G General] moonpie28:
Yes, up to eight people I think.
[EVO 4G General] thekingofmean:
To anyone that has disagreed with my use of the "unlimited data" that I pay for. Would it make a difference to you if I download the torrents straight to my phone and then transfer the files to my PC?
[EVO 4G General] xHausx:
True, if you know enough to do that then odds are you're not going to be worrying about it anyways though. But even if you just connect that one time to test it you could be causing yourself to get flagged.

The bandwidth required is naturally going to grow along with higher resolution youtube videos and sites like pandora, breaching your contract to tether so you can host torrents and burn through bandwidth for the hell of it is a whole nother story though. The douche bags doing that are the ones who will make Sprint start caring.
[EVO 4G General] mattehww:
The way I see it, my plan says "Unlimited Data", so I'll use that unlimited data. Why should one pay for this feature, then not utilize it?

And remember, before everyone goes on, the "5Gb cap" only applies to mobile broadband cards. Data plans for smartphones have always been truly unlimited.
[EVO 4G General] scev5:
because your probably using your phone as a wireless broadband card without paying the 30$ a month fee. The unlimited data plan is for the phone, not tethering. People use much more data tethered to a computer than they can with the phone, unrooted especially.
[EVO 4G General] syrkel2:
I rape the network daily lol
[Desire Android Development] mohamed_moscow:
hey devs,

I found a post:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=799778

It would be nice to have a Desire Z port.

And here is the last original desire Z rom

http://www.multiupload.com/ZX9EC8R2VF

just an idea:)
[Desire Android Development] wallah:
Good idea !!!!
[Desire Android Development] yasars:
hmmm ... no camera no flashing :;)

the rom is the same as sense HD ... or?
[Desire Android Development] ephumuris:
Pretty much the same rom. Larger font size and no arrows on keyboard is only real difference I think.

Eph.
[Desire Android Development] liljom:
maybe landscape mode?!
[Desire Android Development] retr0sic:
Yep the Z has landscape mode
[Desire Android Development] Pyr0x64:
shouldn't this be in the Q&A section?

as far as i know, the Z sense landscape mode is only activated when the keyboard is slid out

robocik is working on a port
[Desire Android Development] AndroHero:
Sence already has a landscape mode, it cant be triggered by sensors tho, thats why it dosent work for us, it has to be triggered by a h/w button, ie. The desire z keyboard sliding out.... so even if we had a port landscape mode wouldnt work
[Desire Android Development] GANJDROID:
Is it actually working on the N1? Like the G2, it only rotates when the keybiard is opened so its more than just 'turn my phone on its side'

Sent from my HTC Desire
[Desire Android Development] templebar:
Can't the "keyboard slide out sensor" be somehow mimicked with "orientation sensor" in framework?
[Desire Android Development] robocik:
it is in rosie.apk, and then we have to sign lots of file to get it working... :/
[Desire Android Development] templebar:
Thanks for the clarification. Not directly related but I remember using a transparent overlay keyboard in Nokia 5800, which used to function as if the phone had a physical keyboard. I was thinking something similar, for e.g. an app, listening to orientation sensor and then trigger a signal equivalent to keyboard slide out.
[Desire Android Development] liljom:
or can we just make a widget, what we click on, and it turns into landscape?
[Desire Android Development] R.ik:
Would it be possible to edit rosie.apk using smaliing and baksmaliing?

Or should we make a service that changes the keyboardside value when the phone is turned?

And can if we succeed in modifying rosie.apk can we just put it in a sense HD rom?

I think I'm gonna try smalliing rosie.apk...

EDIT: I think using apktool would be easier

EDIT2: Can someone post the rosie.apk?
[Desire Android Development] capychimp:
you have to edit the android manifest xml in rosie, and if you edit that you need to resign rosie for it to work, and resign rosie you need to resign alot more, and then auto syncing gmail and others die due the resigning of apk's, you can resign so autosync still works, but more widgets and other stuff dies and you need to resign and resign things all the time, not worth it, untill we get a hack working in services.jar to avoid the check of the signing in apks, to match other apks, then we can be in business and rotate rosie within seconds
[Desire Android Development] R.ik:
Okay, I get the point. Editing of Rosie.apk is not an option. I didn't knew all those signatures had to match...
[Nexus One General] houzuoguo:
From this thread:

http://www.hiapk.com/thread-583511-1-1.html

The poster attached a photo of his Nexus One with a Radio version which I've never seen before. "32.50.00.32U_5.12.00.08"

He reported that he received OTA update notification and the radio was automatically installed by the OTA update.

Has anyone seen that radio version before?
[Nexus One General] JHaste:
prolly the new Asian radio that has the new drivers and fixes for the vulnerabilities on their devices
[Nexus One General] wdfowty:
All nexus ones use the same radios
[Nexus One General] JHaste:
na there was a thread or article i remember reading about some vulnerability fixes for asian n1's via driver updates... brb looking for it lol
[Nexus One General] JHaste:
(inserts foot in mouth)

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=815711

that was the thread i was thinking of but thats for the cpu not the radio... now i am befuddled about this new radio... i want it! :D
[Nexus One General] diaramja:
http://shipped-roms.com/shipped/Passion%20(Nexus%20One)/OTA_Passion_KT_KR_2.18.1010.4_FRG83-2.15.1010.2_FRF91_release_signed.zip

new radio is inside this patch -> radio.img

Extract the file and connect nexus in fastboot mode

fastboot devices

fastboot flash radio radio.img
[Nexus One General] Rusty!:
No.

No they do not.
[Nexus One General] musashiken:
Well at least all Nexus ones bought from the Google Store without going through the carriers should have the same radio. Not taking into consideration which android version at time of purchase of course.

Anyway South Korea is the only country in Asia that sells the Nexus one on its own through its local carriers, so this radio is probably Korean.
[Nexus One General] danger-rat:
I'll second that!

No. No they do not!
[Nexus One General] solidmac:
so any differences noticed?
[Nexus One General] GldRush98:
I saw a slight speed increase on Wifi and Edge.

Read the details here:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=8788247&postcount=76
[Nexus One General] gravufo:
Flashed it and it seems the Wifi and HSDPA are snappier! Much better than the 4.x

Using slcd N1 bought from local carrier
[Nexus One General] mlevin:
Apparently the newest one (5.12) isn't so great: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=828185
[Nexus One General] danger-rat:
Interesting, but hardly scientific.

There is too much variation in the network itself. I can keep my phone in the same spot all day, and watch it fluctuate between H, 3G, E, G, and even no signal at all...

I think it may be indicative, but would need many more data points to be conclusive (1000's).

Good effort though, and certainly worthy of note...
[Nexus One General] gravufo:
Agreed, more people should do the test and THEN only could we do an average and compare the results...

My phone came with 5.08 on stock, then I went to 4.06 by mistake and it was pretty awful...In the end, I decided to try 5.12 and, as I said, it feels a lot snappier than the 4.06 and maybe even than the 5.08...I also think that the technology used could have something to do (frequencies of your network and such)

It's always hard to compare wireless speeds because there is nothing constant and physically exactly repeatable...still good job on the comparison though...we all know that any of the 5.x are better than 4.x anyways
[Nexus One General] danger-rat:
Agreed!

Since switching to 5.12 I don't think I've ever dropped below 3G for any significant period. I don't know if my speeds are any faster, but its certainly more reliable... (5.08 seemed faster, but would frequemtly drop down to E/G, and occasionally loose signal).
[Nexus One General] wdfowty:
...Now I'm confused...All nexus ones, to the best of my knowledge, have the same hardware (sparing SLCD, of course), correct? And it isn't like there are radio "versions" for different regions where the phone sells...Only one thread per radio.

No, you misunderstand what I said. I meant to say they can all use the same radios. But I guess I'm wrong? Can someone correct me?
[Nexus One General] JHaste:
/facepalm...

they all use the same hardware, yes... apart from the ATT version which its virtually the same radio but just operates on different frequencies...

the deal is there is different firmware for the radios... firmware is basically a software update for the hardware but its localized to that specific component rather than like a driver for say your video card on your computer which you can tweak and stuff.

so in this case, his radio is the same however is firmware is different... its a newer version... one major difference in n1 firmwares is the 4.0 versions cannot do HD recording, only the 5.0 versions can... the hardware was limited by the firmware version it had... another thing was if you had this phone early on there was an OTA which gave us a new radio that improved the 3g connectivity for a lot of us... hope this helps
[Nexus One General] RogerPodacter:
i believe what he meant, which is correct, is that all nexus ones, whether a euro version, ATT version, or tmobile version, all use the identical radio firmware, whether that is the 4.06, 5.08 or 5.12. sure each one will use different frequencies, but there is no 5.08 for an ATT version vs 5.08 for a tmobile version. its the same radio file for all.
[Nexus One General] wdfowty:
Lol, hold off on those facepalms :p

That's what I thought. Thanks for setting me straight :)
[Nexus One General] solidmac:
im going to dedicate about 4-8hrs comparing 5.08 to 5.12 will be testing wifi and 3g as well as edge will report soon with a fancy graph lol

Edit 1: okay, maybe not 4-8hrs but a good 20 test per category but i will expand when gingerbread comes out.

Edit 2: so far im a bit surprised on how fast this thing can go on wifi 8Mbps!

Updating Radio to 5.12 at the moment and will start testing soon

Finished! Nexus one 5.08 vs 5.12
[Nexus One General] jmejiaa:
So I tried flashing the ZIP and it tells me verification failed, zip isn't signed correctly..

I am using RA-passion-v2.2.1 and I confirmed checksum is ok..

any ideas?

Edit, toggling signature checking seemed to make it work.. Never had to do that before I guess it makes sense.
[Nexus One General] cottinghamm:
I am using this Radio and I get a very slow GPS lock, anyone else seen this ?

I am considering going back to 5.08 it is so bad.

Anyone got any views on the best Radio to use with GB ?
[Nexus One General] Rod3:
Stock Gingerbread has a minimum requirement of 5.XX (5.08 was included in the OTA). Different people have different experiences. Personally, I use the 5.12 radio, but if it was causing you all kinds of grief, I say switch back to the 5.08.
[Nexus One General] pzumk:
using 5.12 since it's out and I never had problems with gps locks or similar