yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Windows Phone 7 General] hyperzulu:
hahaha what's funny about that is that Symbian is easily more mature and fully featured than any other smartphone OS on the market. It may be slow as all hell, but feature for feature, it kills any other OS.

Some things I'm missing for day to day, notifications from a locked screen regarding unread messages and alerts. I hate having to press the unlock screen to see if I have a text message, and even worse, having to slide the lock screen in order to see if I have emails. Light up the Start button white to notify the user they have unread alerts. Easy. Necessary.

As someone else mentioned, peak and non-peak times for syncing.

Haptic feedback on touchscreen... at least on the keyboard. I don't like the clak-clak sounds.

EDIT: And more documentation. I know this is supposed to be an easy phone to use, but some things are so intuitive, I guess I simply stumble upon them. For instance, searching the Marketplace. Go into Marketplace and hit the Search button, but it took me a few days to figure it out because it's just one of those things that's going to dawn on you sooner or later, but some of these things are not immediately obvious.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Windows CE is not going away. WinMo was based on CE, but it wasn't the same. Windows CE (non smartphone/ppc edition) is actually really good.

The rest u basically agreed with me on. Just wanted to clarify that. And yes, Vista was treated most unfairly, but I think pro-Linux tech press had a lot to do with that.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
WP7 is based on CE as well judging by the advances to get the file explorer going
[Windows Phone 7 General] sparky00:
hello. Sorry if its been asked somewhere else, I did a search but wasnt able to find an answer.

Is it possible to save draft sms messages??

sometimes I am in the middle of a message and need to check details from an email, etc..

At the moment, the message will be lost if i hit back or the windows button..

Anyone??
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
contradict your self much???
[Windows Phone 7 General] aenimal:
Does WP7 have Internet Connection Sharing through Bluetooth?

I use ICS on my HD2 daily during my commute: hop on the bus, connect to laptop through Bluetooth PAN, get on e-mail and Internet, easy as 1-2-3.

In general, from what I've read and heard, WP7 appears neutered compared to my HD2 which does everything I need. It looks pretty enough (played with Focus at the AT&T store), just not compelling. No ability to add a custom ringtone, seriously?
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
You keep posting as if I have said anything to the contrary.

File explorers don't tend to determine compatibility across one OS to another. The biggest issue with this WinCE cunundrum is people assuming that since Microsoft uses Windows CE as a base for their mobile platforms, WP7 has "perfect binary compatibility" with WM6.5 (quotes because that's the way I have read it in another thread here, multiple times).

That is not the case.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Then use your HD2. Looks like the choice is obvious. Enjoy the crappy browsers, terrible app market, and broken 3rd party applications that will never be fixed as well :P

Obviously I have one. They're not all some people make them out to be. Damn those extra two buttons, eh? (well, and lack of a camera button).
[Windows Phone 7 General] aenimal:
Not really answering my question.

Aside from that, I am staying with HD2 for now, the choice is obvious indeed. Choice of browsers (Opera owns IE any day), choice of any app I want (when's Pandora for WP7 coming out again?), choice of storage (what's that about SD cards being WP7 approved? - what a crock), and so on.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
The need for Pandora isn't as strong on WP7, thanks to Zune Pass and Smart DJ + Streaming. I'm sure there are some users who would welcome it, but Pandora is close to useless to me as a ZunePass user. I'm sure when there is a decent Subscription music service that offers a deal similar to Zune (unlimited downlodable DRM'd music and the option to buy as MP3s + streaming - not just playlist downloading like Rhapsody), the need for it on Android (or even iOS, if Apple introduces a Subscription service) won't be that strong.

SD Cards need to be approved because WP7 requires higher random access speeds than lots of the stock SD cards. That's actually good for the user. It means the OS won't be randomly slowing down when getting a file, or reading data from the storage. Everyone knew Microsoft never intended for the storage to be swappable, so I don't know why you're complaining.

LOL @ Opera. Using Opera Mobile on an HD2 is a lesson in frustration. Have to decrease my touch sensitivity and all that so that Opera Mobile isn't panning in all sorts of directions when I'm trying to scroll a page up and down. OOM errors when viewing flash content on that phone, etc. etc.

Opera is good, but to state that it owns a browser you probably haven't even used yet (Internet Explorer in Windows Phone 7) is a bit asinine.
[Windows Phone 7 General] chmckay:
Not really. What I forgot to mention is that CE 6 has been around for years as an embedded system, giving Microsoft a lot of time to perfect it. However, fundamentally, it is the same as CE 5, just as Vista and 7 are fundamentally the same as XP. In each case, it's the same core, but with some additional tweaks, fixes and improvements. In no way, though, were the OSes completely rewritten. Instead, WP7 replaces the WM6.5 shell and core apps.

For example, CE 5 limited you to running 32 processes, each with a maximum allocation of 32MB of virtual memory. In CE 6, the number of allowed simultaneous processes has increased, but the apps are still limited to 32MB. Plus, the infuriating memory layout that caused me significant problems on CE 5 is still present in CE 6. However, it's not apparent since the WP7 shell only allows one third-party app to run at any given moment.

I wasn't trying to knock the OS as I understand and respect Microsoft for how much work is required to build something as robust as Windows. I was just trying to point out to the previous poster that it's still ultimately the same OS at the core (that is, Windows CE), just as Windows NT is at the core of XP, Vista and 7.

Incidentally, if the WP7 shell can be bypassed, it would still be impossible to run native WM6.5 apps as the main UI DLL, aygshell, would have been either replaced, removed or rewritten as a part of the WP7 transition. However, it may be technically possible to run any native apps compiled for CE 5 or earlier on a WP7 device (not that you'd probably want to).
[Windows Phone 7 General] Mclovin1001:
The updates that are due to be issued in Jan is this for all Windows 7 mobiles or does it depend on carrier ???
[Windows Phone 7 General] MrAlchemist:
I do miss being able to control the Active Synch times as someone mentioned earlier.

ie. I'd like my mail, calendars to sync from 8am-6pm M-F, but on the weekends I really don't care about work, and if I need something a manual sync was sufficient.

I've got an Exchange 2003 account linked and the GAL isn't available to me. Funnily enough what I do start typing in the search for new email it searches the Google Directory(whilst in Outlook). (feature or bug...).

I miss being able to connect to hidden WiFi(ie work), I miss being able to hide my Bluetooth whislt it was on.

Still love the phone, can live without the features, but there are a few things mentioned in this thread I'm surprised the common sense police at MS didn't pickup before GA release.
[Windows Phone 7 General] xaccers:
Both.

I know, strange answer.

The updates are for WP7, and as it's the same across the board, they're for all the handsets, however MS have confirmed that it is ultimately down to the carrier to allow them to be pushed out.

So there is nothing stopping carriers holding back on all updates in 2011, and then releasing handsets in 2012 with the updates so you have to buy a new phone to get them.

Take the 3.14 ROM for the Leo, O2 haven't released their version of it. They might do later, or they might not bother. The same could happen with WP7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
Banshee satisfies my needs, pairing android device with my linux desktop has never been easier.

Yeah IE is so great that there is no support for anything in it, the engine is useless to the devs, the users are frustrated why they cannot see Adobe Flash content, yeah absolutely brilliant! Wait, wait, yeah back to Adobe Flash, didn't they say they will introduce a plugin for IE? Yes they did, and what MS will do to make it work is enable Active-X plugin support, and that's when the real development will start, and will force the users to install crapware removal tools, etc. let's see how the smooth UI you are all speaking of is going to run.
[Windows Phone 7 General] aenimal:
So, how about that ICS?
[Windows Phone 7 General] efjay:
Incorrect. Carriers are allowed to block ONE update, the subsequent update from MS HAS to go through and is cumulative so includes all fixes and features from previous updates. Ths situation with WP7 is a far cry from what it was with WM.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Wp7 is not android. Bloatwarw is completely removeable. There is a youtube cosec, which is what most comsumers need/want flash for. I can care less about seeing countless flash menus and adds, and those crappy videos that autorun...

You have no idea what you're talking about. Wp7 is not windows 9x...
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
Maybe it isn't but the browser is desktop modified to work on a small screen with a few features taken out, one of them being Active-X support, you get IE7 with some IE8 functionality added and the bag of crap along with it. You should research your argument before you start typing, really.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Which is a good thing. Less crap-ass apps crashing phones like on some other platforms (i.e. WinMo, Android). Let the manufacturers develop their functionality. Duplicating **** is useless in 90% of cases, anyways.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mmelo76:
Done cleaning on a thread.

Some provocative commentary of lqaddict; aenimal and N8ter; and responses to it have been erased.

I'm leaving this notice as a last attempt to leave this topic open.

Offtopic's provocations or next, I'll close it.
[Android Apps and Games] tomacro:
Hello guys.

I know iphone has a aps were you take a picture and you see your self when you get older?

Like a prank /joke aps,if you know what i mean,does android have that kind of aps?

I cant find it, plz help me if you know about any good ones were you get older,,maybe bigger ore something?

Anyone?
[Android Apps and Games] tomacro:
anynoe plz:(?
[Android Apps and Games] danchappers:
Hey mate, try Hourface
[Android Apps and Games] tomacro:
thanks mate it looks pretty good:)

you have any other funny aps you would say its worht downloading?
[Android Apps and Games] danchappers:
Depends what your looking for really mate, Talking Tomcat is always a bit of fun in a party I guess, cant be quite annoying mind.
[Android Apps and Games] tomacro:
i just got andorid mate,, so just want a lot of good and funny products.

Like that camera thing

good games free and to buy

watch tv over the mobile?

some good livescore /news site for sports

can you ore anyone help me:)?
[Android Apps and Games] tomacro:
one other thing .

i tryed the hourface,, it seems realy unclreared,,and when i safe the photos? i dont know were they get?

you know about any other program that is pretty good?
[Hero CDMA Android Development] FdxRider:
D/Lding now will report
[Hero CDMA Android Development] LiquidSolstice:
Great. Be sure to tell if it flashed properly with no errors (shoudln't be any) and if you run into any FCs. Also let me know if you notice a bit better performance :D
[Hero CDMA Android Development] raymond4:
I will download it and report back with this rom
[Hero CDMA Android Development] MrGreg:
Can you provide a zip file of the removed apks? That would be great in case people want to reinstall anything.
[Hero CDMA Android Development] raymond4:
I haven't came to no problems yet
[Hero CDMA Android Development] MrSpradlen:
No problems here. WiFi works, Bluetooth works and keyboard functions fine.
[Hero CDMA Android Development] robbiep:
Using ClockworkMod recovery.

So far, so good. Did a nandroid, wiped, flashed, and it booted right up. No problems.

Edit: Noticing the speed. So far very fast and snappy.

GPS works great. Just a few seconds to find my position in my house near a window.
[Hero CDMA Android Development] HeroMeng:
I've been using AOSPmod for a few weeks now, but I'll try this. Might go back to sense. Will report back with results :D

EDIT: uhh... Having a really weird problem. the keyboard is pressing Q no matter what button I push :confused:
[Hero CDMA Android Development] guitardoc64:
I might even try this one, though I'd prefer deodex.
[Hero CDMA Android Development] Porkrinds:
@OP: Been looking for something like this. A lean, mean rom.

Someone else already suggested a zip with the apks that were removed incase people want to add one or two back. Personally I like SprintVVM on stock roms, for example.

Next, have you seen this slightly dated thread? http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=581976 it talks about what people have found to be safe to remove from the stock HTC rom. It's a bit dated, but most of what is written still works. Something to toy with.

Of course we could just take your rom and delete the extras ourselves :D -- the beauty of the game :D
[Hero CDMA Android Development] bigfoottrucker:
Not bad so far. Will run awhile and see if gets laggy after awhile like all sense roms seem to do.
[Hero CDMA Android Development] igtheactt1:
Runs exactly like nfx Rom.. Even though you built it based on his... good work...
[Hero CDMA Android Development] gqukyo:
Can someone tell me how many memory the system uses? I'm using firerat's custom mtd partitions and want to configure it so I can get as much available user memory as possible. Thanks.
[Hero CDMA Android Development] sud_hotline:
everythings working fine so far.....its snappy too.....will try out for some more time and see if anythings going bad.
[Hero CDMA Android Development] bigfoottrucker:
Should be ok at 160 2 on this Rom.
[Hero CDMA Android Development] d2offrover:
Good job...ROM I've been looking for as an alternative to CM6.
[Hero CDMA Android Development] ItsDon:
Since this is based on nfinites .7 stock will the kernels he posted work with this? Not a big fan of SetCPU or OC Widget and my phone is happy at 710. Actually it's happiest at 729 but I don't know how to modify the kernel to default to that :(
[Hero CDMA Android Development] Lunus:
Installed and running smooth so far

Running smooth so far. Going to run it for a couple of days to see how it is on battery. I think this is the perfect ROM for me. I do not use any of the stuff you took out.
[Hero CDMA Android Development] FdxRider:
Flashed OK,Mobile wouldn't connect so i could login to my google account but held down end button and turn mobile connection off and on then everything was good.

Have a Question tho? Did you leave google maps and Navigation out(didn't see it in the list in your OP)? It's ok just had to d/l from market is all I use it a little. So Far so good
[Hero CDMA Android Development] youdug:
thanks liquid. impaler gave me su-2.3.6.1-ef-signed and it gave me root back. i dont have any problems now. like i said, how i can make my setup look with cm is sick but this rom just flies. i removed some more bs apps like the widgets i dont need, facebook, and a couple others.

edit: ill try n let u know how many hours im gettin. im usin the zenkernel u put in it. dling the cirle battery now... guess a little reading goes a long way. was just about to ask if there was one for this.
[Hero CDMA Android Development] mbuchholz:
+1. This is something I would be interested in seeing.
[Hero CDMA Android Development] theimpaler747:
Actually, I don't think that will work. Sense apps require the launcher to run properly if I'm not mistaken ;)
[Hero CDMA Android Development] mbuchholz:
I think you're right as well... Liquid, if you can get this to work, you'll be my... err... HERO. :)

PS - excellent ROM, btw. I will report back on my battery life tomorrow after I use it throughout the day.
[Hero CDMA Android Development] LiquidSolstice:
Not entirely true. I've removed Rosie.apk and the Sense apps function just fine. The problem arises when I try to remove Rosie.apk before the ROM boots, because it's hard coded to call up the HTC Sense Launcher on first boot. I'm looking into writing a script that starts the phone normally (with no widgets whatsoever) and automatically installs LauncherPro and then deletes Rosie and its dependencies. It's been rocky at best, but I'm working on it.

Heh. It's a bit of a ways from completion, by the time I'm ready to push it out, our quickly-developed Froyo Sense build will probably be stable. At any rate, when that happens, I'll weigh in my options and I'll see what I can do with a completed Froyo build as far as LiquidSense goes, the port won't be a native Sprint ROM so there might not be much in the way of optimization to be done, especially if (and he probably will) Zen runs the ROM through similar optimization scripts. Time will tell :)
[Hero CDMA Android Development] theimpaler747:
Well, I wish you the best of luck man! Hope you get it :)
[Hero CDMA Android Development] mbuchholz:
Fyi... i'm getting force close every time I try the wired tether. But, wireless tether works fine.

Great Rom. Used it all day long (off charge at 8:00 am, died at roughly 11:00pm.) That's about what I was getting with NFX... also, very snappy all day long... very little lag if any. Have had some troubles with random force closing, but nothing big enough to be considered a problem. Thanks for all your hard work LS. :)

-mb
[Hero CDMA Android Development] LiquidSolstice:
Sounds great! Yeah, I'm going to remove Wired Tether in any service release I make, I'll let it copy to your SD card for manual installation, because for some reason (I think NFX had this issue too) Wired Tether doesn't like being cooked in as installed.
[Hero CDMA Android Development] laie1472:
A liquid I have been watching this thread and I c nothing but good so far so I usually use CM6 But I like options and the best of both worlds I flashed Nfiniity .7 release but couldnt get a response on the kernel and if I'm correct ur rom includes a oc kernel native so I'm asking I'm used to using Dec's kernels but not Zen's if you dont mind whats the no pref lock mean??? And how will it affect performance reason y I'm asking is that every time I flash a mem tweak or batt mod for some reason it slows my phone way down so Ive learned to stay away so is that like a mod for the kernel?? Also is there a kernel for this without any kind of tweak I could use for over clocking I read the post and if I missed any of the answers to my own questions I apologize in advance but I figure who better to ask than you so your help and input would b greatly appreciated thanks in advance

Root-Hack-Mod-Always™
[Hero CDMA Android Development] ItsDon:
Wired Tether works great on this rom. You just have to install the latest version (which allows the baked in one to be uninstalled) then uninstall it and reinstall, works like a dream.
[Hero CDMA Android Development] youdug:
the kernel in this rom lets u oc to 768. use setcpu and put max on 768 and i put min on 245 and i get great battery life and it runs nice as hell.
[Hero CDMA Android Development] laie1472:
Lol huh guess its AWAH Thanks for the response

Root-Hack-Mod-Always™
[Hero CDMA Android Development] mulhiny:
Fantastic ROM..Many thanks.
[Hero CDMA Android Development] abadasstanker69:
"F" anyone who is NOT using this rom. I just came over from the nightly build 99...my GAWD this is so much better. You are a king, kind sir
[Hero CDMA Android Development] igtheactt1:
What's the difference between this and nfx?
[Hero CDMA Android Development] theimpaler747:
Way less bloat on this rom
[Hero CDMA Android Development] igtheactt1:
Hmm hope it runs better then aospmod
[Hero CDMA Android Development] theimpaler747:
I never ran AOSPmod... CM6.1.0 with my theme all the way ;)
[Hero CDMA Android Development] abadasstanker69:
I tried cm6 but I just couldn't keep my stability. It worked great at first but the hiccups where just to much for me to tolerate. I was gonna go back to fresh but this ROM is the ****. Totally restored my faith in sense. Awesome. And this is his first ROM? I can't wait to see what he does with this. Now to figure out moving apps to SD with 2.1 again lol
[Hero CDMA Android Development] swapped:
I love this rom but can't download anything from the market. Keeps saying download starting and i can't sign into gtalk (source of market problems) it just keeps saying signing in. I tried rebooting, reflashing, what else can i do. I want to keep this rom, runs much smoother then cm6, in my opinion.
[Hero CDMA Android Development] abadasstanker69:
You need to wipe EVERYTHING and flash by itself. Don't try flashing gapps afterwards or any battery mods or kernals. What recovery do you have installed? I got clock work and individually wiped everything. It's under the partition menu
[Hero CDMA Android Development] igtheactt1:
Switched to this from Aosp which I loved but ran into issues with speed... This Rom is very fast and the only Rom I've ever kept sense launcher, I always installed launcher pro...

Also setcpu doesn't work for me in this rom... causes lots of lag! Might be the governer but only let's me choose ondemand and performance.

EDIT: flashed 768 kernel and reinstalled setcpu all is good now...
[Hero CDMA Android Development] abadasstanker69:
What kernal did you flash?? I can't keep mine above 615

EDIT : nevermind. Found it in the link to the kitchen link in the first post. Flashing 768 now. Don't forget to test wifi to verify it works on this rom on your phone
[Hero CDMA Android Development] swapped:
I tried that before. I"m also running clockwork. Its funny but the problem immidiately went away when i connected to wifi.

I have one other problem with this rom (well not just this rom, but any sprint 2.1 rom). I can't get wifi tether to work. It get root permissions, i'm able to see and connect to the phone, but i do not get any internet when i connect.

Can anyone please help me with this. I want to run this rom but I need to be able to use wifi tether or barnalce. Barnacle keeps saying "NAT restart: Network is unreachable" every time I connect.

Barnacle worked just fine for me on CM6 and other roms. I am running just the basic LiquidSense rom, no other kernels or mods flashed. VVM installed and facebook removed are about the only mods i have made.
[Hero CDMA Android Development] abadasstanker69:
Sounds like a firewall issue to me. I have been running it just fine. No issues at all. You may have a bad download considering that the market didn't work till you turned on Wi-Fi?? That's really weird. I would say re-download. Clockwork has the partitions menu. Format them ALL. Then mount the SD through USB and copy over the ROM. Then go to advanced and reboot recovery. Flash zip then click factory reset just for good measure. If the problem persists I would say there is a problem with your hardware. I'm not having ANY issues with PDA net or Wireless Tether.
[Hero CDMA Android Development] swapped:
i'll try that later. i dont have any problems with easytether, i'll even try wired tether later when i download it. however for some odd reason wifi tether dont like me