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[Galaxy Tab General] LostAlone:
Its not a real price until either samsung or my carrier tell me it is. Those are the only people who are official. Until then, its just guesswork.

Also, on comparison to the iPad, I think the Tab comes off well. Smaller, but that means more portable and easier to hold. The battery life is good for something that is half the weight.

The big difference for me is that the Tab has a phone so that you don't need to carry another device. That's awesome. The iPads lack of a phone was always the worst thing about it, simply because you still had to carry another device.
[Galaxy Tab General] zwuncki:
In Germany with O2 it will cost 760€, can't read or what?

It has been officially announced from O2 carrier in GER!

Gosh....

Sorry, I would laugh at everyone usinng the Tab as a mobile phone for real (and i don't know anyone who would have this as an actual mobile phone and first device! That's just crazy. Everytime someone calls you need the headset, how weird is that...

And the iPad has 3G, too.
[Galaxy Tab General] pw-man:
nope... would like it to be an alternate to the iPad... wifi only (no need for more 3g stuff) and less than $400, esp with the smaller screen size...
[Galaxy Tab General] LostAlone:
I can read what you said, but I can't read it on O2's german website, because its not there. Now, I can't read much german, but I can put 'Galaxy Tab' into their search box, and this generates zero results, same for a google search of their domain.

Alternatively, if you are referring to posts like this Linkeh then you totally miss the point. The 'total cost of ownership' is NOT the same as the price of the device. By that logic, the list price of my galaxy S is £700, because that will be the total cost of ownership after two years of contract payments.

Surely its a lot more logical to assume that carrier service isn't free and that's included in the total cost of ownership. Now, the level of subsidization will of course vary, but for a £30 a month contract (which is standard for a top end smartphone) over 2 years, surely that leads one to think the device cost would be much closer to the retail cost of the SGS ? Same total cost of ownership on the same kind of contracts and mostly the same production cost should equal about the same unit cost... That would peg the Tab at around £400 off contract. Much less alarming.

Journalists have a habit of just ignoring well sourced facts in favor of whatever seems to be most interesting at the time. You'll notice in that article I linked he says 'The price, which is similar to the SIM-free version of Galaxy Tab' doesn't reference where that figure comes from which is particularly important since WE HAVE NO SUCH FIGURE.

Basically, what o2 germany seemed to annouce was '99euros on a 2 year contract', which is a LONG way different from '700 for a Tab'.

As for using the device as a daily driver... Why not ? Not for everyday use, but for when I'm travelling long distances and using it to read ebooks, watch movies and so forth, sure. Anywhere I'm using the device I'm going to be using my stereo BT anyway, so if I get a call, I answer it the same as my regular phone. Obviously its going to vary from person to person, but assuming you are actively using the device for most of the time you are out, you'll most likely have a headset on anyway, since its a media device, so its unlikely you'll have to scrabble to get it plugged in. I guess some people might have difficulties with it, but I don't see how using the inline controls to pick up a call as being any more difficult than doing it on my SGS.

Edit:

Have tracked down the Tweet where O2.de announced the pricing that started all this off. Presented here in its entirety:

http://bit.ly/aKVatr #Samsung #Galaxy Tab – Yes we can! 27,50€ im Monat und 99€ Anzahlung – geplanter Launch Anfang Oktober!

For those who can't decypher the obvious, it says as reported 27.50 a month and 99 upfront.

Can anyone tell me where that says 700 for a Galaxy Tab ? Anyone ? Can I just not read ? Or does that just say exactly what is says and nothing else ? Oh it might IMPLY what the pricing might be, it might give a ball park figure for us to round down from, but it does not say 700 for a tab.
[Galaxy Tab General] sebbo90:
I think it is overpriced and I thought the ipad was lol boy was I mistaken
[Galaxy Tab General] ljwnow:
Dude. This is too expensive. I would rather buy an iPad than spending almost the same amount money on this Samsung stupid tablet.
[Galaxy Tab General] checkbox111:
If this price is correct, i can't imagine anyone anywhere with more than two brain cells to rub together buying one :eek:

£680 would make it 40% more expensive than the already overpriced iPad which is was SUPPOSED to be in direct competition with, and 100% more expensive than a Dell Streak, in fact you can buy two 32gb Streaks for the price of one 16gb Tab.

I wouldn't care if it has Android 2.2 or 22 i certainly would pay that much for a tablet pc which is basically running a mobile phone operating system.

I saw a review on the BBC/Click and apparently the body is 100% plastic to save weight :eek: that's hardly going to give it a build quality feel to it then!
[Galaxy Tab General] vrhunski:
I just wonder where to buy one galaxy tab ...
[Galaxy Tab General] unitea:
man i can't wait to buy this thing for around $300 on contract. i plan to use this as my primary phone too... there are times i can see portability being an issue. but guess what, i have a phone already so if necessary i can swap the sim out.. not a big deal.

suddenly at $200-$400(per samsung), this device is a steal. tied to a contract? who cares, already paying for a data plan, as are most people. there is NO need to get an extra plan... just renew what you already have. with a little creative thinking, this tab can be a good deal and work for a lot of people.
[Galaxy Tab General] LostAlone:
Read the whole thread. The figures we have are around 100 euros on contract, and its been said by a high-up from Samsung that $400 could be the stand alone cost.

The cost on contract is pretty concrete, and from there, just a little logic should tell you that its not going to be £700+.

If the off contract cost is the same as an iPhone 4 (~700), why then is the subsidized cost for a tab 30% of an iPhone's subsidized cost ? Also, even on a 24 month contract at 27.50e a month, plus 99e, you pay 760 to the carrier over the lifetime. How can the carriers afford to do that if the unit cost is around 700 ? Sure, they get stuff cheaper, but not THAT much cheaper, and they won't be happy making 100e over the course of two years.

What makes a lot more sense is if the unit cost is around that of a Galaxy S, and they then make around 350. If the cost was that high, the prices we'd pay to the providers would be that high.

Please try and think things through.

I totally agree. With the prices I'm expecting to see I'm really torn between a contract or stand alone, because both price points look great to me.
[Galaxy Tab General] StarLog:
No way I'd pay $1k it should be between $500 and $800 tops.
[Galaxy Tab General] Cyberhome:
In Asia, It's cost around US$800 with the telephone function, it would be affordable. Otherwise, it will be expensive
[Galaxy Tab General] multan:
It will be AUD$999 for a non contract, launching in November

http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/22/samsung-tab-priced-at-999-in-australian-money-ships-november
[Galaxy Tab General] LostAlone:
Other places have said other prices and I'm simply not convinced that journalists are doing any kind of due diligence on this. Elsewhere, there have been reports direct from samsung of ~$400 off contract, of ~100e on contract, and 'around £200' in my countries press.

Now I'm not saying that any of these are any righter than any others, but you cannot simply accept this kind of third hand reporting as fact.

Remember the report that said the Tab was going to cost over 700e ? And it turned out that 02.de said it was 27.50 a month on contract ? I can't help but see shades of the same here.

The Samsung employee quoted doesn't seem to be quoted on price, just that he feels whatever price they are charging is fair. These is no source given at all for the 999AUD figure. Oh yes lots of places seem to have reported it, but Samsung still haven't said anything. Certainly there is nothing confirming the price on their aussie site. Indeed, the only press release they have put out from the 3rd of this month says 'The Samsung GALAXY Tab will be available in Australia in Q4 2010. Pricing and availability will be confirmed closer to launch.'

Look I'm not saying anything is wrong just because it doesn't tally with what I believe, but if this is an official figure, why is it unaccountable ? Gotta be thinking 'Who told them this?'.

Maybe it's all just cunning positioning to drop it at a way lower price and make everyone think that its cheap as hell compared to what they thought. Who knows.

However, I just can't put my faith into these reports, if only because that places the unit cost of a Tab at around 700e, which means that O2 germany are going to make just under 60e per unit in two years. Have said it before, and will reiterate here:

If the unit cost is that high, they will charge us that much.
[Galaxy Tab General] zerocool76:
1st October will be out in Italy, € 699, 16Gb version.

I'm not sure if the 7 inch will be enough, and I don't like the TFT, but it seems cool.

I don't understand why if an iPad that costs 699 with less features is ok but if some other manufacturer that comes out with a device (maybe better?) that costs the same isn't worth the price...
[Galaxy Tab General] johnnewhouse:
when the iPad got released it had zero competition so it could set the charge it felt for this market, that combined with the fact that Apple always overcharge, I believe that everyone will expect that to be at the top end of the market.

plus this is looking like the first real quality tablet to arrive with Android on it and therefore a lot of people are going to be giving it far more attention than they will in about 6 months time when there will be plenty of options available.

you mention that the iPad has less features, but I don't see it that way.

personally I have zero interest in a rear facing camera, I say that as the Tab WILL NOT be carried around in a pocket, no matter how many adverts Samsung churn out with it in someone's back pocket, therefore if I wanted a quick snap I would use my phone which has an equal camera in it, or if I was going to be carrying a bag anyway, I would just throw in my far superior actual camera.

the screen is smaller than the iPad and therefore that part of it is certainly not an additional feature.

it allows you to make phone calls, I wont even get started on the ridicule I would make of someone using something this size as a phone, I know you wont lift it to your head, but its not exactly practical to always use a headset now is it.

I also have zero interest in the sim card and 3g data facility either, as I will be able to just turn on the mifi feature in the galaxy S and use its dataplan.

the only plus I can see over the iPad is the front facing camera for video conferencing (however I will very rarely use that), and the fact that it will play Flash web content.

but I do not believe that them two things should result in a cost that's higher than the basic 16GB iPad (wi-fi only) with its larger screen and Apple mark-up at £429 in the UK.

now that's just me. some people do seem to want to use this as their phone, and others may want the rear facing camera and that's their personal choice, but for me, I cant see anything that I would want that would result in me wanting to pay more than the iPad. in fact, as Apple over charge, I would not pay more than £399 for this.

so it looks like I will be waiting for the wifi only version that they mentioned a couple of weeks ago, and then when that comes out, buying an iPad.
[Galaxy Tab General] LostAlone:
Wouldn't it just have been quicker to say 'I dont like the Tab' ?

I think we all appreciate that there are numerous differences between different devices. If the Tab doesn't appeal to you at all, then don't buy it.

I've posted a couple of times in this thread and others with this advice, which again I will repeat:

There are two schools of thought on tablets. Some people want a monster-size phone, multimedia player and work device. They want to carry it around and use it. No matter what you say, the Tab will comfortably fit into a pocket. The mobile data plan and phone use makes a huge difference because if you have to be away from a charger mobile AP will crap out within a couple of hours and burn a crap ton more data doing it.

Secondly, there are people who want to carry the device around at home and ... hell i dunno what you'd do with it then, but they seem to want a big screen to do it with. In that case, where you have unrestricted Wifi and no need to ever type fast (or possibly at all), then the Tab is not really attractive.

All that makes the Tab special (and indeed cost more than an archos) is focused on carrying it around with you and working on it like a hyper-phone. Stuff like the iPad to me is just junk. Could get a $200 net book and get the same results.

These two schools of thought are never going to see eye to eye, however, even if you totally hate everything about the Tab, PLEASE try to not just regurgitate the same exact stuff about how stupid you'd look holding it up to your head and how mobile AP is just exactly the same as your own data line. Its pissing me off to answer it over and over and over again.
[Galaxy Tab General] johnnewhouse:
Who said that you would hold it up to your head to use?

I didn't

Plus anyone who is happy to pay for mobile data twice has too much money.

And I dont hate everything about it. I do want an android tablet. I dont want an ipad. I do want flash content.

I just can't see how they can justify this costing more (possibly by a good margin) than the larger screen iPad. Remember the biggest costing for the parts in the ipad was the screen.
[Galaxy Tab General] LostAlone:
Apologies. Rather than looking stupid for holding it up to your head, you in fact said you would mock and deride anyone using the Tab as a phone. Not because the device is impractically large to hold it up, but just because you would. Thats a far more valid criticism to make. 'LOL You're using ALL the Tabs features' ? Really ?

Secondly, who said you had to buy two data contracts ? Although there isn't much reason why you wouldn't outside the USA. In my country, mobile plans are real cheap. Way under half USA equivalent contracts. Particularly we don't have tiered data. But I digress. If you don't want to pay for two contracts, then swap your contract SIM card into an off contract tab. There you go. One contract data connection. Also, you don't have to worry about your phone while you are playing with your tab, becuase it will take your calls and messages right to your home screen. Much better than wireless AP.
[Galaxy Tab General] checkbox111:
Have you actually ever seen one or picked one up?, these are 7.75 inches by nearly five, there isn't a jacket pocket yet designed that it would fit into! and it also weighs 380g, so even if you got a pocket especially designed to fit it into it would be so uncomfortable pulling on your collar (similar to carrying two large bags of coins to the bank) that after five minutes you'd buy the bag that it was designed to fit into.

In fact i'm surprised that it doesn't ship with one!

I never got the whole ipad thing, give me a netbook for half the price that does twice as much any day, and the tab seems just as poorly ill conceived.
[Galaxy Tab General] teodorp:
I already bought Galaxy Tab from Italy for 699 euro for 16GB. I am iPhone and iPad user but this tab is amazing.
[Galaxy Tab General] AnttiV:
Ugh. I have to reply to a couple of points..

(First, I do not [yet] own a Tab, but I will buy one the instant it becomes available here, it's just about everything I ever required from a mobile... thing. I have held a "life-sized" replica of the thing in my hands, so I know for a fact how large/small it is, I don't speak from a picture point-of-view.)

Pocketability:

YES. This thing fits into pockets. Quite nicely. Not back pockets, not every pair pants/trousers/whatevah ya call'em, but it does fit some. In fact I only have ONE pair of pants that CAN'T fit the Tab in their pockets. (Front, but that's where I keep my gadgets, I **NEVER** put anything valuable to my back pockets anyways...)

The first person is totally right. There isn't a thing anyone can say and change the fact. The Tab WILL fit into MANY, MANY different pockets.

The second poster, however... Jacket? You *really* haven't seen a jacket that can hold a small 12cm by 19cm by 1.2cm device? really? Or then we mean *entirely* different things with the word "jacket". You can keep talking anything you ever want about the size and no matter what, *I* will, all the while smiling, put the Tab into my trouser pockets and walk like I owned the world.

Second, Data plans:

Yes, I'm aware most of these posters are probably americans, but that doesn't excuse them for not doing any research before speaking. In my country, I don't *NEED* a separate data plan. My one and only single plan (13.90€ / month, unlimited capacity & speed [ok, capped at 15Mbps, but I digress]) covers FIVE different devices. The world, other than USA, seems to know what is a MultiSIM service, even if USA doesn't. I don't know why, but again, I digress. I pay 13.90 euros per month for all my devices (currently Galaxy S, Desire & two USB 3G modems) and can use data as much as I like.

And yes, having a dedicated 3G modem built-in, is worlds different from a tethered connection with a phone. (first, it doesn't use battery on BOTH devices at the same time. Second, you don't actually NEED to carry the second device around AT ALL.)

Third, screen:

Yes, I mostly covered this in the first point. but in the case of iPad vs Tab, the smaller screen IS actually a benefit for the "1st school" as LostAlone pointed out. Just because the screen IS smaller, I can carry it around always, I couldn't do that with an iPad (as much as I would liked to have one, being an Apple-user myself).
[Galaxy Tab General] checkbox111:
Can you tell us all who designed this rare apparel? as we had some network cable engineers in the office and it wouldn't even fit into their cargo thigh pockets :eek: and they joked that they wouldn't put it in their anyway as they were loose fitting and the 'weight' of the tab might cause them to fall down :o

There's nothing small about it you were looking at a galaxy i9000 :rolleyes:

what a complete %$$£"" wan$&^ :rolleyes:
[Galaxy Tab General] AnttiV:
Well, I can't be sure about that part of the world (wherever you are), but at least in here it apparently isn't a "rare apparel". Since, as I said, I only have ONE pair of pants that CAN'T fit the Tab (meaning it DOES fit in every other pants' pockets that I have...)

If you put it like that, yes :D I do have one and it isn't a big thing by any stretch. But all in all, I wouldn't call the Tab "Large" without a context. Yes, it is a "large cellphone", but it surely isn't a "large computer", or even a "large tablet".

ps. I can fit a 12" iBook in my winter coat's pockets, so I don't think I'll have any trouble with the Tab :p
[Galaxy Tab General] nammyczc:
I was recently at WCG, and they had the tablet on display there. and its pretty nice having used an ipad before I prefer this ergonomically feels better and pretty light. the screen still looks quite nice.

However just like the ipad it just feel like a giant galaxy s. I mean I really want one but the samsung reps there couldnt comment on any price or details besides release date. But I am very interested in getting one.
[Galaxy Tab General] sebbo90:
How big are your pockets? There is not a chance that the tab would fit into my trouser pockets at all!!!
[Galaxy Tab General] LostAlone:
Well then stop wearing skinny jeans.

The dimensions of the device are:

190.09 mm (7.484 in) (h)

120.45 mm (4.742 in) (w)

11.98 mm (0.472 in) (d)

But, I hear the nay sayers crying from this far away. So, at great personal effort and with no expense spared, I have created a suitable proxy for showing the physical size of the device:

You will notice that this is on an A5 piece of paper (cunningly created by folding an A4 piece of paper in half) and with the non-Tab parts shaded in, to show the exact(ish... within 1mm) dimensions of the Tab.

Now, I can already hear you saying that its still HUGE, and for your benefit, I have pictured my Tab-proxy next to a variety of common objects from around my desk:

Im sorry. That is not 'big'. And I don't know who makes your clothing, but if it has any elastic potential at all it'll fit. Maybe not in everyones jeans, but it should be fine in mine, and definitely on my smart trousers or indeed basically anything else. Now, when we start talking about a jacket pocket... If you have jackets/coats/hoodies that can't fit that in, you need to get a new coat.

If you can't carry the Tab (maybe not with much space to spare, but still) then how the hell do you manage to carry a wallet, keys, memory stick, phone and headphones on a daily basis ?

Maybe you are just being negative for the sake of it, but whatever way you cut it, the tab is an awesome size. The pics of it being held comfortably one handed are accurate.
[Galaxy Tab General] rushless:
Unless in Europe and want phone function or in America and want 3g and extra data line to pay for, the Archos 70 and 101 seems much better deals. Less than half the price of the Tab and has 8 or 16gb built in, full USB host, micro sd, full hdmi out that displays all tablet content (not just movies).

You could buy the 70 and 101 together, for less than one Galaxy tab.

Added:

BTW, the Tab pricing has more to do with trying to force people into carrier contracts. They are using the same over priced business model of phones for a reason. Phone carriers and their channel partners are the main source for sales.... At least that is what the carriers and Samsung are assuming.

None the less, if correct about the pricing, they have priced themselves out of serious competition with iPad. Most people do not want two contacts and two data charges.
[Galaxy Tab General] checkbox111:
Those 'pictures' prove what i've been telling you, you havn't actually seen one in real life or picked one up have you? but you still won't listen to people who actually have