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[Windows Phone 7 General] FL5:
OK, so yeah, all indications seem to point toward the WP7 software not including stuff we want at launch.

So?

My Tilt 2, out of the box, didn't have much in the way of useful software either.

Best file manager? Total Commander. Came with the OS? Nopers.

Carrier has to unlock tethering? HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA. Yeah. Just like they did on my Tilt 2... Wait... :rolleyes:

To get our desired level of functionality, you have to jailbreak the iphone, root an android, or hard spl winmo. I'm really not surprised that, without obviously unapproved hacking, Windows Phone 7 is locked down. Everything is. And then we unlock it. Did anyone actually expect that to not be the case? Why are people acting upset and/or indignant?

Seriously, my Tilt 2 has come a long way in terms of usability from the hunk of crap that came out of the box. As long as the hardware is good (which is what we really ought to be griping about on these launch handsets), the software will come, even if we have to wait for it, and even (or especially) if the software doesn't come from MS. With cooked ROMs, CHT, and Opera Mobile 10, amongst a pile of other support that is not from MS, my Tilt 2 is great. There's really not much aside from the absolute base processes (like, say, making phone calls, i guess) that I even use from MS.

Seriously, guys. Calm down. Breathe. Wait. It is unfortunately going to require patience, but I'm looking forward to the possibilities. There's stuff out for WinMo now that absolutely blows away the software that our devices shipped with. A lightweight, slick OS like WP7 means more system resources free that can be utilized later.

Of course, if you were looking to pick something up this holiday season, buying into WP7 this early might be just a tiny bit masochistic. :p
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Pandora is useless if you have a Zume pass. It really is. Decent on iOS only becaise Apple doesnt habe unlimited music downloads/streamimg, and Android because they suck as media devices atm...

Seriously, zumes on the spot playlist creation and streaming and zune pass negates the need for pandora. No more commercials, beyter use of money, better quality music, etc.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Intervenient:
I'll bite when:

* Multiple calendar support for one account

* User created text tones

* General polish on glitches

I'd like:

* Complete landscape support (like Android)

* Unified inbox

* Different colored text boxes
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
Simple question, how much is the zume pass as you put it?
[Windows Phone 7 General] havox22:
To much :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] Great82:
"lol" ?

Maybe they will remove the virtual keyboard just to try "something new and innovating" :)

I thought that "new and innovating" meant "never done before", not "like before the 90's".
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Unfortunately, no, this cannot practically be done as an "app", especially not without access to native code. An equalizer done using current APIs will be such a CPU hog that it'll drain the battery in no time. Unfortunately, WP7 is in the same position here as Android, and it's a shame.

OEMs seem to be the only parties that can do real equalizers. HTC have this Sound Enhancement thing, which does sound like EQ. It has to work directly with hardware, which varies between devices.
[Windows Phone 7 General] iosub:
Hi,

I just got my LG

This is my list:

1. alarm app is simple and useless, it does not snooze,no vibration, the duration of alarm is the duration of the sound. So with the default tones is 2sec.. I dont wake up !

2. SMS, if you are writing a message and you move to another app, the message is not added to draft, so when you come back the SMS is gone.

3 The keyboard... IS bad has hell, no multilanguage, no Compact or phone layout, no vubration on key press. You cant select t9 on/off..

4 It does not have ring and vibration ! It vibrate and then rings , so if you have the phone un your pocket and you dont get the first vibration, you will lose phone calls

Please Microsoft, remember this is a phone, the first priority are the Basic phone features... My old Nokia (7 years ago) have these features

ms. lissen to customers, it's time to make a right phone
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Only if u earn poverty wages.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Lol you mean you have LG on WP7?
[Windows Phone 7 General] darkmurder:
1. It does have snooze and if you put your phone to vibrate it does.

2. Valid

3. Keyboard is pretty good for me? T9 isn't really an issue seeing as it does predict, I prefer it this way. Also mine vibrates on touch

4. Yes it does its in settings.
[Windows Phone 7 General] havox22:
Or when you download music for free and can you use things like last.fm, slacker radio, or pandora to stream music and for music discovery

So I would say that $15/month is to much, when you can get everything the zune pass offers for free

Now netfilx is worth the $20/month
[Windows Phone 7 General] iosub:
My phone is LG E900 Optimus 7

1 Vibrate and Sound??? not in the LG.. Also the duration of the sound is just the sound leng and it does not keep playing ...

3.- Did change something on settings, my keyboard does not vibrate, also is not multilaguage so If I have my phone in spanish and I'm writing on english (like know on XDA) all the predicts are wrong.. So it replace English words in spanish.. is a MESS

4.- Again, did you set something on settings? because my LG just Vibrate and the play the sound...

Thank you
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tadeusz:
Thay want to be like Apple, but better

This is the reason. And they are wrong.

Up to now I never thought about iPhone. I hate Apple attitude to have control over user's life and habits. For me Windows Mobile was an open system. Yes. If I wanted to have some special app, I just looked for it mostly in XDA, or anywhere else, never in M$ Marketplace. But with iPhone it is impossible, that's why I considered M$ WM as an open system.

Now, they want to go the Apple path, crazy fellows. They are gona loose.

For me very important is (and for M$ it seems to be even more important, but in contrary) to use VoIP on my phone. And I guess, this is the main reason they want to have control on devs and apps having access to multitasking. This is the way, they want to eliminate VoIP from their platform.

However, I am not afraid of this.

Gues what. I own HD2, and just recently have installed Android on it as a second ROM.

Now I can choose which system I want to be on. My WM 6.5 system is very well custom tailored and I love it. But one think was impossible up to now. Any VoIP softphone for WM can not intagrate so closely with WM to take over calling initiation through VoIP channel instead of standard GSM channel when I took a contact from my contact list and clicked a dial button.

In Android, I just have installed a free app taken from Andoid market and it has this feature. As long as it is connected to my providers SIP server, it takes over calling duty. No bothering me any more.

Now I say Android is really open system. If I can take a free (not even paid) app from their marketplace and have such solution, forget about M$ and Apple. WM7 ??? Whats that ? System developed by people from North Korea?

Now we have 21 century, openness and freedom. Next couple of years, everybody will take phone services from a local company on his corner, like pizza delivery service. We are going to choose which service is better for us, not T-Mobile or M$ will chose for us. And we need proper tools for it to be able to use this local phone service delivery company from the next street corner. If M$ is not going to give us such tools (phones in particular) then forget about M$. Others will do it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] xdaid:
Well, what can i say.. just that i agree at 100%

While the old WM meant "freedom" this new WP7 means... apple way! this is exactly what people, technology and progress don't need.
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
I'll use the dell venue pro before reserving judgment on the OS as a whole. Using android I sort of haven't had the will to really flash quite a lot and I do want an OS that is specifically catered for me

If they have skyscape programs on wp7 then count me in. If not I will keep the hd2 as a standby I need my medical suites
[Windows Phone 7 General] ruscik:
Some apps in Marketplace do not work that is a fact but what needs to be said is that phone does not need a reboot when you encounter one. No matter how bad it is middle button will get it off.

Redbull F1 game is one example it starts and runs at 3 frames per second. Just press and hold the middle button and 2 - 3 seconds later os is back and working fine.

Well with 500mb data limit now introduced on all new tariffs we will see if you so smart when a 720p short video can be 50mb. Also a point already made if I am in front of a laptop with BT or another phone why would I?

On top of that BT was used to control MCE PC's, sync as soon as I entered home to backup all days work on PC, external keyboard or stronger GPS by some users.

Agree, MS put the limitation not by accident they knew what they are doing. Yes luck of file explorer is linked to lack of file transfer via bluetooth but many phones have no file explorer yet can transfer certain files via BT.

Yep but apple did not have it before so it was evolution while MS always did so it is a de-evolution ;D. It is a step back as hell.

No, only volume, time, crappy battery icon that gives no indication to where you are (phone has the same empty battery icon 1h before it goes and 5 min before it goes you just get on screen prompts stating soon).
[Windows Phone 7 General] ruscik:
Anyone wants to purchase my HD7 or exchang it for well maintained HD2 (US version prefered). My HD2 went in to a lake and now phone radio is dead ;(

I have a good PDA by all means.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
@ruscik

Exactly.

The difference between Apple and MS is:

when iPhone was introduced, smartphones were marginal on the market

and iOS was the first gen of this kind of product in Apple's history

there was no Android yet

NOW we have a pretty mature two competing platforms slowly giving more and more

MS was the author of the first, very advanced smartphone OS

So I feel disappointed. The only hope in upgrades.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Intervenient:
Truth be told though, the only people who care about "freedom" are the nerdy hacker types, and that's what Android is for. Windows Phone 7 will succeed without that small minority.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mictho100:
I have to admit that I am disappointed as well. I got the HD7 2 days ago... Its OK, but its nowhere near as much as it could have been. Yes, I understand that they need to develop it and all that, but why on earth is Microsoft launching a product which isn't fully ready yet? Or this this whole forum just suffering from the "storm in a teacup" syndrome? I.e. we are just egging each other on to yap on about how bad this that and the other is? I wonder. I suppose we can't have the 'bigger view' when discussing missing features. Only the carriers and MS will really have the bigger view about how the phone is received by mere mortals. We are just a bunch of geeks with liberal ideas... :rolleyes:

If I were God or a Dictator I would wait and develop the OS further before launching it. For me its a case of Microsoft having succumbed to commercial pressure to launch the product for the sake of it, even though it was not ready yet. And there is no argument about this to be honest. Windows Mobile had MORE features than this 'new' OS from MS. At least they should have made it AS GOOD, and with that they failed!
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
You don't get everything Zune Pass offers for free. When I listen to music, I want the music I want, not the crap that Pandora or Slacker throws my way (Rock Music in a Classical Station, for instance... WTF?).

Zune Pass can Stream Music with no commercials, at a high bitrate, and since it have tons of albums it can give you almost endless mucis from an artist.

There are many artists that Pandora and Slacker have virtually no music for. The quality is bad, even on WiFi.

$15/month includes 10 DRM-free downloads a month, which is $10 if you buy them from Amazon MP3.

You're basically paying $5/mo. to download and stream unlimited amounts of DRM'd music.

Also, not everyone wants to create yet another account for yet another services (Slacker, Last.fm, Pandora) and scrobbling?1 Seriously?

The only time Zune Pass prices are too high is if you earn poverty wages. Put things into perspective, and stop giving half the story to advance you agenda or broken half-opinions.

I used to have Netflix. It isn't worth crap, unless you like watching old movies. I'll keep going to the theatre, thank you.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
People are calling you a troll because you keep trying to keep a debate alive for no reason other than to debate. That's known as trolling. Being defensive about it doesn't change that.

And no one wants to read through that multi-colored list. You should have at least formatted it in a readable manner. I'll check back later to see if you have fixed it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] crow26:
Seriously, shut up N8ter, YOU are trolling.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ruscik:
Do what you may but if you bothered to check this thread from start you would know red is not my posting it is a quote from other post. I have only added my part, the blue part.

I am giving up, HD7 as a hardware is identical to HD2 except touch screen is better (not LCD). OS that does not allow you to change wallpaper was invented with first mobile phone in 1980's. If you want to defend it please do but unless they fix all those problems that not only me find annoying (many people declare not getting it over HD2 as it is a step back see other threads) it will stay a **** OS that seems to be snappy only because they forgot to put all the functionality of normal phone.

Did you try typing in a number to the phone it does not even try to much a contact from people tab. Oh yes I forgot you post positive comments but do not have the phone. night night
[Windows Phone 7 General] darkmurder:
No offense but why would you want to change teh wallpaper? Its hidden behind tiles and would just look stupid, let alone finding a wallpaper that would fit (for when you drag it).
[Windows Phone 7 General] ericc191:
I think having a wallpaper behind the tiles would be a sweet option. More options, the better..

WOOHOO 1000th post!! lol
[Windows Phone 7 General] prle77:
I got a question regarding the filemanager "issue"

So if I want to install navigational software onto the phone ie Tomtom. How would I transfer maps onto the phone since i believe zune would not like most of the map files as they are not images of videos as such???

Does that mean no more third party navigational software. If that is the case, then goodbye option of getting WM7 for myself as I do heavily use navigational programs..
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Don't be mad... I can see why you would be, though... Checking out your posting history.
[Windows Phone 7 General] LickTheEnvelope:
Seems fairly stupid to develope an OS platform for smartphones and target a dumphone market with hampered smartphone technology costing the same as smartphones... EDIT (while alienating your old user-base and heading into the realm of Iphone 4 years after they took on this market...)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Dr.Mazika:
Frist Post Updated ...
[Windows Phone 7 General] Dr.Mazika:
a question for people have WP7 Phone

how can we move data between mobile and pc
[Windows Phone 7 General] xdaid:
The "nerdy haker types" who like to use & tweak their devices in the manner they want (and WM was open enough to do it) are just hundreds thousands people..

In my opinion, nerd for real are those people who spend their life on facebook or buy a certain (i)phone to be trendy. Now, it seems WP7 goes in this direction, a really fashionable and absolutely close plaform with not much to offer.

These are my first impressions but i still have to test WP7 deeply, since i'm a great MS supporter, i hope i am wrong.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
I would assume your only options are Zune and email.
[Windows Phone 7 General] AceofSpades25:
I really feel this is a poor performance from MS. At the moment, their only fan base is with the nerd/power-user community. (Thanks to Windows Mobile) If somebody wants a dumbed down phone, they will get an iphone, not this!!

If Microsoft really wanted to establish themselves in the market, they should have catered for both audiences (both power users and technophobes)

It wouldn't make the phone any more difficult to use, to add an optional file manager and to allows users to optionally manage their own file systems.

This is a major failing and it will be difficult for Microsoft to undo.

This is a company that is digging it's own grave because they refuse to consult with the development community, instead they think they know what is best for us all. By that I mean absolute control.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
Isn't the truth! Microsoft and open system model never meant to be in the same sentence.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ruscik:
TBH it is only Zune for things like music and videos asyou can not save attachments. Documents you have to use share point or e-mail and you can only save Office documents.

Pictures from the net, e-mail or zune.
[Windows Phone 7 General] AceofSpades25:
Ching ching

EXACTLY... you have hit the nail on the head! RIAA and MPAA want to eliminate files altogether! If they had their way, you would have to re-purchase music/video/comics/books etc. for each device you want to view it on.

Micro$oft are getting something out of this, and it starts with screwing you, the consumer
[Windows Phone 7 General] AceofSpades25:
Another classic issue...

If you wanted to add maps to navigation software, you could only do it within the app, and then download it directly to the device. In the case of a map, this could be a very large download! Even if you already owned the map on your tomtom in your car, you would most likely be made to re-purchase it if you want it on your WP7.

Classic story.

The same applies to the comic book reader for WP7.

Once again, the consumer gets ripped off.

I would be very surprised if Microsoft didn't get some financial benefit out of this.
[Windows Phone 7 General] LickTheEnvelope:
For some people this is bigger than others, but apparently you can't use custom ring-tones:

http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/25/no-custom-ringtones-for-windows-phone-7/

(Sorry if this was posted... I didn't see it listed by OP)
[Windows Phone 7 General] AceofSpades25:
I think this is a minor issue, since this is something Microsoft is likely to fix going forward
[Windows Phone 7 General] ckacey:
You can make your apps run under the lockscreen with the user's permission, and a warning about battery life.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ckacey:
When you're playing music the controls are always available by pressing a volume key, or on the lock scren
[Windows Phone 7 General] ruscik:
Found it, I also found a way to add more then one album to play it now but how do I make it repeat all from there and or shuffle?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sean D.:
Time o stop all the *****ing.

I understand the frustration that everyone is feeling for this and that not being in there at the start. I feel the same about things like a file manager, and BT transfer (yup, I use it too!).

But here's the thing, I'm NOT trying to sound like a MS sympathizer or whatever, but it looks/seems/sounds like MS is going to GIVE these things away in the form of updates just a couple of months after release. That may suck to some of you but imagine buying the first iPhone and being convinced that the things it lacked were not necessary to have. Then having apple put these features in the NEXT iphone... not in the form of software upgrade, but in the form of you having to put down a few hundred more DOLLARS for an entirely new device.

For those of you with short memories who have forgotten that in many ways MS kinda started the whole smartphone craze that exists today (yet they have become forgotten), but you are comparing them to devices (iPhone) that came out absolutely lacking essential features... and people who drank the iphone kool-aide were robbed several times over for things that were readily available in the average RAZR. If MS (or the rumors) is true to their word then they will update the OS and make things available without any of us having to wait years to buy another device to get it.

Beyond that, lack is common... isn't that reason sites like XDA-Developers exists to begin with??

;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sean D.:
One more thing...

As great as MS has been for people like US, it has put them in a HUGE smartphone hole. You can say it's the UI, or this or that and you are probably right, but if they want to become a player in the smartphone game (again!) then they have to appeal to the masses. It might suck, but they have to... they have to cater to the public before they address a community. I don't like a lot of the things that wont be there at the outset, and I don't feel like there's a really legit reason to leave things like BT transfer out. BUT, if they release them as updates, or allow developers to create apps for them then it's cool with me.

Most of are are *****ing about things that MS has given us from day-one. So in one way or another they haven't let us down. I'm gonna give 'em a shot on this one, or the benefit of the doubt and assume (or hope) they continue give US what we want as well.

If not... there's always Android. :rolleyes:
[Windows Phone 7 General] AceofSpades25:
I think that's a fair comment Sean, but our real concern are those "features" that Microsoft have intentionally built into the phone that only serve to cripple it. (e.g. Sandboxing)

If Microsoft said: we will remove this feature in the future, then we would happily wait for it.

The real problem is that this limitation is intentional
[Windows Phone 7 General] ruscik:
One good point from Sean is that MS might have done it to earn on aps.

No BT transfer but there might be an app to purchase that will transfer pictures/videos/music.

Some of the missing things are a potential money earner to MS/developers. However some of the missing things are just stupid and there will be no app for that nor MS will do anything about it. They do not want anyone to make any mods to WP7 on the same scale as they did with WM.

XDA time will tell if they won.
[Windows Phone 7 General] prle77:
Well if that is the case... I'm officially OFF the WP7 bandwagon.. whats the point of having a smartphone if you can't use it as a smartphone.. Not being able to use it as a portable disk device is simply too much of the negative for me that I'm now completely cooled off buying one.. I could get over not having sd card (or having one but not being able to use it as standard sdcard), but not being able to use it as storage is absolute rubbish. Thanks to my current HD2 I had very pleasant overseas trip through several countries and in each one of them I could find my way around thanks to TomTom. Not being able to use such feature renders it completely useless to me. I would rather move to android then and be able to do such things..:mad: :(
[Windows Phone 7 General] ruscik:
Do not worry about TomTom or other navigation unless MS says no to them. There is a copilot for iphone in appstore and oficailly you can not use it as storage.

What will happen is you will have to install tomtom home that will have zune plugin or will add one to zune. Then you will be able to copy maps after you have installed tomtom.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ckacey:
Repeat, shuffle, and like/don't like are accessed by tapping the album cover in zune while on the now playing screen. To add more, tap and hold on the 2nd-Nth items and click "add to now playing"
[Windows Phone 7 General] rruffman:
wrong vol up or down will launch the music player controls.. do your research..
[Windows Phone 7 General] rruffman:
Turn By Turm nav App

http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/telmap5-is-the-first-wp7-turn-by-turn-navigation-solution