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[Galaxy Tab General] LostAlone:
1. @Rushless I agree that the carriers want people to get the devices on contract. Why is that a bad thing ?

If they are going to subsidise them so heavily, then more power to them. Assuming that the current (and still ridiculously high) list prices are to be believed, then you end up paying around 150 after the device cost for two years of unlimited data. Thats not a bad price. In fact, that boils down to 6.50 a month, and you get to spread the price of the device over that period too, which for some of us is required.

Thats a really attractive price for the device and service plan.

Why are you acting like that's evil ? I mean thats how basically all high end phones in the UK and Europe get sold.

Also, the archos line are simply inferior devices. Im not saying I'd say no to one, but at the same time, they have lower res displays and lower storage (ok the 70 has the hard drive option, but thats nearly 30% more expencive). They also lack a data connection, and as I've said a LOT of times now, its a game-changing difference.

Now, regardless of how prices of the 3g tab work out, we haven't seen anything at all for the Wifi only version, and so comparing the prices of one device that includes a really expensive extra piece of hardware (the cell antenna).

2. @Checkbox. That is the size of the device. Or are samsung just lying ? I have held (and put in my pocket) the old Archos 7 home tablets, which was taller but slightly thinner.

Look, you can't just be a **** about the size and say that no-one else knows what they are talking about except you. That IS the size of the device. If you can carry a thin paperback book in your pocket then you can carry the tab. Guess what ? I can. In fact my student diary is A5 size (ie bigger than the tab) and that sits comfortably in my jacket pocket.

There's even publicity stuff showing samsung people putting the tab in their normal pockets. Or do you think they have customised clown clothes for those ads ?

What do my 'pictures' (they are not allegidly pictures, they are pics that I took at the time... what the hell else could they be... use sarcastic finger quotes properly if you are going to use them at all) proove for your arguament ? All those items around them are things that fit in my various pockets... At least TRY to argue better than just squeeling ZOMG IM RIGHT.
[Galaxy Tab General] checkbox111:
I can if they (like you) have never actually seen one or picked one up !

And the Archos is smaller than a Tab, width wise by about 3/4 of an inch, doesn't sound like much when you just look at things on paper but it matters where it counts :rolleyes:
[Galaxy Tab General] scottieg59:
Subsidies vs. Contractual Obligation - It is a trade off

I expect value for my purchase. If there is a subsidy from the service provider, the discount will have to match my obligation to them. Over the past few years, many of us have become accustomed to deep discounts. I do not know if vendors will be willing to essentially loan consumers money they expect to recoup over a two year contract. People have not been the best bill payers during the recession.

I do not mind full price; just do not expect any contractual obligations from me without a deep discount.
[Galaxy Tab General] LostAlone:
Like I told you, I have used similar devices and objects, that are comparably sized, all of which fit in my pocket. Diaries fit in my pockets, paperbacks fit in my pockets, dvd cases fit in my pockets, my removable hard-drives fit in my pockets, my pencil case fits in my pockets. All of these things ARE LARGER THAN THE TAB. Most of them are significantly so, either in depth, length, heigh or all three together.

So why would the tab not fit ?

Oh I agree my paper-proxy is not perfect, but it does illustrate what objects are smaller than it, and what ones are larger than it. And its just logic to say that if pocket A can fit object B inside it, object C which is smaller than object B will fit in pocket A. Or if you will:

A > B and C < B, therefore A > C.

Unless my logic and the elementary laws of physics are wrong, I can put a Tab in my pocket.
[Galaxy Tab General] LostAlone:
In that case it depends how much value you place on the service that a contract gives you. As ever, I can only look at my past few devices for how much (in theory) that costs, but heres some rough numbers:

My old BB Bold and my galaxy S both came for free on £30 a month contract for 24 months.

That means the total lifetime cost for each device was £720 including service. As each device cost around £450 at launch, which is when I got them, the service to me has cost £270 for two years, which is £11.25 per month.

By comparison, assuming its fair to compare the Finnish contract I posted in its own thread, the Tab will cost £35 per month for 2 years. So thats £840 over its life time. Currently the Tab would seem to be selling at (at cheapest) £600, so that means £240 for service over two years, or £10 per month. If the Tab costs more then that service gets cheaper.

So, its not a huge discount, but it IS still cheaper for the Tabs service than a normal smart-phone here. At the very least, you won't have paid for the paid until 17 months into the contract. In all honesty, I think thats a decent contract.

Now people in the states are going to get gouged, and not just because the carriers have screwed the Tabs functionality, but they always want money up front and because they charge comedy amounts for data. But if, like me, you are from Europe, where there is no datapocolypse (no 4G either, but you get the idea) then the contract prices are certainly attractive. Particularly, I think that ten quid per month for service is awesome.
[Galaxy Tab General] checkbox111:
Then don't buy a Tab, it feels like a $300 device when you pick it up as it's mostly made of plastic :eek:
[Galaxy Tab General] johnnewhouse:
there are more murmurings of the cost of the Galaxy Tab in the UK costing £599.99 (approx $952.50 including taxes). this is coming from DSG which is a very large electronics retail chain in the UK and their prices are normally based on fact.

obviously its not confirmed by Samsung and until it actually hits retail then its all make believe.

i personally do not believe that it is worth this amount, but i will wait for a teardown and component pricing before i make my mind up.

i still don't believe that this would be comfortable in trouser/jeans pockets and when i put my galaxy s lengthways in my pocket its doing nothing to change that opinion, but other people do so each to their own and i have nothing more to say on that.

i also do not think that using it as a main phone would be practical as you either always have to have headphones connected, or a paired bluetooth headset, or use the loud speaker option. but again, others do and each to their own.

so until the costings are done, i wont be back as this thread is going off the rails a bit
[Galaxy Tab General] checkbox111:
So you can buy two dell streaks for the price of one tab :rolleyes:

It's plastic mate :rolleyes:

No it won't fit it any jeans, not unless you buy a 54' loose when you normally wear a 32' regular :eek:

You carry it around in a small backpack using bluetooth headset
[Galaxy Tab General] LostAlone:
An utterly worthless contribution as usual.

You can't buy a tab yet. Not officially anyway, and the prices have not been released. All we have are a few carrier costs (which I've pointed out a LOT of times now show that the list prices currently shown are maybe 20% too high) and nothing else official. We'll wait and see. But constantly *****ing that the price is too much when we don't have that information is stupid.

You seem to be making a big deal about it being made of plastic. The galaxy S is made of plastic, and its fine. Its REALLY light compared to other similar devices, and I'm led to believe that the tab is too, but thats not a problem as long as its still solid. Yes, it is made of plastic as has the majority of mobile devices literally as long as they have existed. What else could it be made out of ? Every other tablet is made of plastic. EVERY SINGLE ONE. Its not a bad thing for every other device, and its not a bad thing for the tab. Since every device is plastic, claiming that this is evidence of low production values is stupid.

Finally, to return to the vexed question of pocket space. Find attached a picture of the Chris Ryan novel pictured beside my tab proxy yesterday (its is 1cm shorter and thinner, but it is the closest match of anything immediately to hand, and is maybe 3 times as thick as a tab), being placed in my 38" jeans front pocket:

You'll notice that there is ample room both to the sides:

And to the top:

To accommodate the Tabs few millimetres extra.

In fact, when putting it in, the thickness is the only thing that's slightly awkward.

Now these are just cheap £10 jeans from a regular high street shop. Not clown-trousers, not a jacket, not anything else. They are a regular pair of jeans, in a regular size, that I wear every day.

So, I return to my earlier point. Why are you being a **** about it fitting into pockets ? For someone who claims to have spent hundreds of whatever currency you use to obtain one, (which I deeply doubt is true) all you are doing is hating on everything about it, including the concept that it can fit in pockets, despite being shown that it will fit.
[Galaxy Tab General] johnnewhouse:
cant help myself.

i didn't realise that the tab will bend like that book in your pocket, that changes everything
[Galaxy Tab General] LostAlone:
The tab is 12mm thick. The book is over 30mm thick. Thats why it has to bend, because it fills the whole pocket.

The fact remains that it will fit in a pocket.
[Galaxy Tab General] checkbox111:
Oh it does! the tab (when finally released), even though it has been released in Europe and an engineer that comes into our office in Northampton England already has one, but when it is finally released to the rest of the world it will contain the first ever flexible LCD touchscreen panel.

Of course all mobile smartphones already have a flexible LCD screen, the problem is that when they flex they tend to snap :rolleyes:

I can give you the engineers number if you like, so when you break your LCD (which of course will happen the first time you bend a trouser leg, like when you walk) you can ring him to fix it, he's anticipating lots of business with this 'unanticipated owner transient' that he's already started to order spare LCD's ready for direct replacement.
[Galaxy Tab General] sebbo90:
Just because it will fit into a pocket doesn't mean it be comfortable at all. I can squeeze quite few things at a push but I wouldn't want them in there all the time!
[Galaxy Tab General] LostAlone:
So you've shifted from 'It won't fit into a pocket' to 'Oh it will, but you'll break it' ? If you meant to say that it might break, then maybe you should have said that. The change from IF it will fit to HOW it will fit is important, and frankly I think you're trolling for the hell of it. Either that or you are quite the chameleon.

Lets just make this clear.

It will fit in a pocket. As I've been saying for a couple of pages. IT WILL FIT.

Now, will it be comfortable ? Will it be safe ?

1. Maybe. That will depend on how tight your trousers come up on you. It'll be more comfortable when standing I imagine. But to my mind, the only time you'd pocket it (as opposed to holding/using/putting on the table) is when standing/walking. Its a device made for using. You take it out with you when you're gunna use it, unlike a phone which you always carry.

2. In all honesty, yes I think it'll happily survive. If you're part of the skin-tight jeans crowd then you are going to put a lot of stress across the device when you sit down. On the other hand, if you have normal fitting clothing, then I think the device is slim enough to fit just fine.

However, all of this is going to depend on exactly how your clothes fit (ie it'll vary from person to person) as well as the shape and size of your body. So this is all going to be a personal thing.

I guess you could keep on screaming that your right and that any tab that even touches a pocket will spontaniously snap in two... But since this is just a personal thing from here on out... It might come across that you WERE simply trolling... Guess we'll wait and see.

Im not holding out hope. Fully expecting 'I'm not trolling I'm RIIIIIIIIIIGHT'.

Anyone wanna take that bet ?
[Galaxy Tab General] AnttiV:
I wouldn't make that bet :D

Also: http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/05/samsungs-galaxy-tab-will-come-with-gorilla-glass-screen/
[Galaxy Tab General] checkbox111:
Yes me,. been speaking to the technician this morning and he gave me some quotes: supply LCD screen £185.00 supply and fit £235.00 estimates on as parts have yet to become fully available through normal supply lines.
[Galaxy Tab General] AnttiV:
checkbox, cut down on the personal insults already? As far as I can tell, everybody else manages to keep this on general level and talk about the Tab, you turn everything into personal attacks. We can keep this civil, ne?
[Galaxy Tab General] checkbox111:
Nothing personel at all; just pointing out the error of his ways, of which sadly there are far to many.

Trying (obviously in vain) to save the person some money, if anybody thinks they can transport this device around in their pocket then they're going to be very dissapointed with their purchase.
[Galaxy Tab General] AnttiV:
Oh geez, will you quite that out already? We already have said to you many, many times that the thing WILL fit in (at least our) pockets, there's nothing you can say to change that fact. Want me to take a picture and prove it to you? I'll make the damn proxy out of wood so it won't bend so you don't need to cling on that.
[Galaxy Tab General] checkbox111:
Just spoke to the technician, he's ordering another lcd with your name on it :D

Budget for one of these when making your purchase (cheaper in the longrun)

https://www.urbantool.com/hq/laptop-cases/show-pocketbar
[Galaxy Tab General] LostAlone:
If the devices break when you do something they show in an advert then I'm pretty certain that'll come under warranty, and if it happens a lot, then I imagine there would be either a recall or a class action law suit.

Now, you can ramble all you like about friend the technician who can see the future and has the power to calculate the strength of materials as well as the stress applied to them in every possible Tab/Pocket scenario. He seems to be quite the renaissance man.

However, I suspect that despite his gut feeling, this is not going to be a universal problem with the line. In fact, I think that if every Tab built snapped the second you put it in a pocket, then someone would have noticed by now. Particularly those management types who were showing it off in a pocket. I imagine vice-presidents of marketing would see the product breaking in half as a potential problem.

Now there are lots of potential problems with the device. The gps on this line has been bad for a long time, the file system may be slow, and so on. So why do you feel the need to continually scream about how it will break in a pocket ? No other device is ever reviewed or discussed like that. We assume that the makers can make a product that will survive, assuming normal use, which includes being in a pocket, and somettimes under strain.

Maybe in future we could add to all reviews on this sit 'The Checkboc Pocket Test' where we put the device in a jeans pocket, and then walk around for a day, take it out unharmed and say 'Why the hell did we bother doing this again ? I mean, they did say you can carry it in a pocket...'

Also, please don't migrate this argument to another thread. The guy who was asking for ideas to do a Tab review I'm sure doesn't appreciate you (who does not own a tab) answering questions that people were trying to put to him. Also, I don't think anyone in that thread even mentioned pockets or damage, but you posted another bundle of useless there on that subject as well.
[Galaxy Tab General] mrHD2:
Sir, thank you for your comments above! It is as part of my profession as a qualified support technician to, do as you say "see the future and have the power to calculate the strength of materials" this is how i stay in business and have been in the business of pc and smart phone technical support for over 11 years. It is my job to tear down a device to it's weakest part because that is where the majority of my future employment will lie. This is why as far as i'm aware that our company is the only major supplier of Dell Streak LCD's not only in this country as we have supplied everywhere from Anglesey to Argentina, the combination of a large glass area, a flexible body and sadly the carelessness of their owners as bought about a backlog of orders for LCD's for this device.

If the description of a large glass area and a flexible body sounds familiar within the description of a Samsung Galaxy Tab, then it should by all accounts start to ring alarm bells should it not! The addition of Gorilla to the specification adds absolutely nothing to the reliability strength of the LCD, Gorilla glass is flexible, LCD's are not.
[Galaxy Tab General] AnttiV:
Well. Of. Course. Not. :D

Not necessarily the Tab's version, but let's keep up with the technology as long as we speak of brand-new/upcoming gadgets...
[Galaxy Tab General] LostAlone:
Carlessness of owners. That's the critical point here. How many streams have had broken LCDs compared to how many have been sold?

How many have been broken due to drops and similar direct accidents?

Essentially it is one thing to assert that the screen is the weakest point of a device, and that the larger the screen, the weaker it is, or the more stress will be put on it. Even device manufacturers accept it to be true.

However it is completly different to assert that because a screen is weakest, it MUST break if placed under everyday use. No doubt some tabs will have broken screens, as screens on every other devices since we put screens on them have done. However, it is far from certain that it will happen if the device is just sitting in a pocket. As with any other device, i contend that it would take significant impact or additional stress to cause damage.

If you think this is no the case, then prove that Samsung have made the device weaker than every other mobile device by keeping a Tab in a pocket and applying no additional stress and see if I breaks.

If that happens, then get in touch with Samsung and claim on the warranty.

Personally I trust that the tab will be solid enough to survive daily use, same as any other device. No press discussion has made any references to it being pathetically weak, and I trust them more than your theory.

Just a an FYI, how many tech professionals do you think come to these boards? The single largest place for winmo and android device development. It may shock you to learn that a lot of people here and within the android community in general are experianced tech professionals who make their living in the mobile space. Essentially, why should we trust your opinion more than samsungs, more than that press and more than anyone else here at XDA?
[Galaxy Tab General] mrHD2:
We in the technical support industry just love people like you, you are the reason why our industry is such a thriving one, even in today's economic climate.

You and others like you are the sought of smart phone owner who puts money in our tills, helps to send our children to school and put food on our plates in the evening.

According to figures their are 2,806,091 XDA members, and it wouldn't matter whether they all individually took time out to personally pm you with a warning of your absurdly daft idea of transporting your Galaxy Tab in you trouser pocket, you wouldn't take any notice of them would you?

We in the technical support industry who ever we are anywhere in the world await your call, we may not like dealing with people who haven't headed advice from others who know better, but we will certainly take your money.
[Galaxy Tab General] AnttiV:
Not really, no. In this exact case, you'd be taking *SAMSUNG's* money. Because they clearly advertise the product to be capable of such feats (carrying around in pockets, they do that in the official advertising material). If it somehow wouldn't be able to do that, it would either be false advertising or a faulty product and in both cases it would be Samsung's money, not the end-user's that would be spent.

If the product snaps in half just because you stick in inside a pocket (which I don't believe at all, the persons saying this are either trolling and/or haven't ever handled the Tab. I've seen too many persons in videos sticking it in pockets and/or handling it badly, SOMEONE ELSE would've already broken it) it surely doesn't comply with the features it is advertised to have.
[Galaxy Tab General] checkbox111:
No they don't! here are both the official Samsung presentations at no time do Sofie or her many male friends ;) ;) put the tab anywhere near anyones pocket thank goodness. Sofie does stick the tab into the back of her jacket belt :eek: again not a good idea as someone will will:

1: Probably nick it

2: It will break if you bend over to pick something up/tie a shoe lace :rolleyes:

http://blog.gsmarena.com/heres-the-full-10-minute-galaxy-tab-video-advertisement-for-your-weekend-kick-back-enjoyment/

No the engineer who commented actually owns one!!!!!!

Like he said, go out, buy one, and break it, doesn't make a bit of difference to me and increases his weekly income.
[Galaxy Tab General] AnttiV:
Emm.. What? You select ONLY those two videos that don't show the Tab in any pockets from the multiple available videos, isn't that a bit.. err.. (sorry, English isn't my native language, I'll have to search for words).. "giving weighted opinion"?

This is the official Promo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHOZZJ_2Wjg

At least twice the guy puts it into his BACK POCKET (:eek:).

Go to the official site, the advertisement STARTS with the guy in white taking the Tab out of his jacket's inside pocket. Geez, the Samsung guy who introduced the darn thing kept it in his inside pocket the whole time.

Please, please research fact before posting (or clearly state them as your opinions, not facts of life) or shut up.

Sorry, but it just seems like you are trolling, because facts speak against you, you change your arguments (It doesn't fit! -> Yes it fits but it will break!) and make personal attacks instead of discussing the thing were talking about.

I'm really getting tired of this and it's sad 'cause generally I like to read xda forums.

ps. touchscreen with plastic body = fragile and larger screen = even more fragile, why doesn't the larger (10"+) tablets break in half everytime someone touches them? I've never heard anyone snapping their tablets/netbooks/etc. in half. Broken glass, yes. Broken backside, yes. Snapping the lcd? no. Not even the iPhone that got *stepped on*. Yes the screen (glass) was shattered. But the *real* screen (the lcd) wasn't.
[Galaxy Tab General] wacky.banana:
Guys,

We all like a good debate from time to time; however watch the personal insults. "You Loser", etc, is crossing the line.

Appreciate your cooperation here.

WB
[Galaxy Tab General] selat:
What would you say to the price of 642€ ?

notebook.de/samsung-galaxy-tab-g-1449
[Galaxy Tab General] AnttiV:
"<3 <3" Most probably :)

No to wait that this thing will (finally) be out here in Finland... and close to that price, preferably. With a 24 month contract, it wouldn't be much per month anymore... I'm liking this :)
[Galaxy Tab General] LostAlone:
I say hell yeah. Thats towards the top end of what I have been expecting: A bit more than the galaxy.

And yeah... the contracts seem to be coming in at the right price to get me really excited. Am still waiting to see prices here in the UK tho. Its been sitting in my carriers 'coming soon' page for a couple of months but I WANNA KNOW! :p
[Galaxy Tab General] AnttiV:
ditto with Finland, although you're lucky to have that vital piece of information that your carrier WILL offer the Tab.. I'm still sitting here on the edge waiting IF my chosen carrier will ever offer it...