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[XPERIA X10 General] Infinity1988:
Many people keep mentioning that Sony Ericsson doesn't care about their customers. But if that was true, why would they optimise and customise their software like this? They modded android 1.6 so it had the 2.x camera interface, they got live wallpapers working on android 1.6 and so on. Besides the software, Sony Ericsson is together with Nokia the best telecom company there is in my opinion. Their hardware just works whereas the hardware of the others is bugged and full of fails. HTC is a fail on it's own, their displays and cameras are terrible. Apple is also a joke, their hardware is full of design flaws. Also samsung has problems, for example their phones also lose signal strength when hold in your hand.

My x10 doesn't lose any signal strength at all, it's camera is the best of any android device, they use high speed memory and so on. Before the x10 i had a K750 wich was also magnificent. I just don't get how all those people look past the many flaws of the phones of other companys?

And on top of that Sony Ericsson is a company that brings innovation. They invented bluetooth, trackID, their phone camera's are the best, they customise the software so it is unique.

And yes, they are late with android 2.1 compared to others. But i rather have a phone that works with a stable OS than those buggy HTC phones for example.

I also followed this thread this week to get more info about the update. I noticed that alot of people were acting very very childish against the sony ericsson agents on that chat. This makes me believe that there are a lot of kids on this forum. And don't think i'm some old guy giving some lectures, i'm 21 years old.
[XPERIA X10 General] Pawnty:
just want to confirm something as I'm not too familiar with the X10 and Android software as of yet.

Model: X10a

Country: Generic LAM (b)

Brand: Customized

That would mean my country is generic, thus I would be able to update to 2.1, from whichever country it comes out in first right?

also I've been trying to figure out the difference between X10a and X10i... do the letters by chance stand for America and International?
[XPERIA X10 General] fkofilee:
I certainly agree, if they didnt care they wouldnt push the 2.1 update out AT ALL!!!

As i said to one of their operatives, i used to be a Nokia fanboy and now i jumped ship and im glad i did. If SE were to go under i think it would be awful for a lot of people.

SE have created a masterpiece of a phone and its fantastic with its hardware and software :)

i just want this 2.1 update to unleash the full power of the phone :)
[XPERIA X10 General] deconfrost:
do i have to root it again after the phone update?
[XPERIA X10 General] jayman1986:
No you won't get update just yet, only NORDIC countries will receive first, you my friend may be one of the last to get it. Also I believe x10a is a handset version only from canada
[XPERIA X10 General] tezzad:
Something's been bugging me..and apologies if it's been asked before (it's kinda hard following this thread lol)..but everyone's been talking about debranding their phone so they can get the update first.

However, isn't there the possibility for the first person who get's the update to rip it, post it up here and the rest of us can flash it like we did with the debranding/generic firmwares?

Sorry if thats a dumb question.
[XPERIA X10 General] TheBionicChef:
+1

Well said dude.
[XPERIA X10 General] jatt101:
I completely agree with you bro
[XPERIA X10 General] Findee:
Although if Apple end up buying Sony then you can say good bye to ANY support for phones.
[XPERIA X10 General] tready:
Well this is the question se may have patched it so u carnt have root nobody knows yet
[XPERIA X10 General] bustervic:
Someone wake me up when Rogers gets the update....

Rikard just bought SE some time is all, "oh we'll release this Oct31 for a small group and updates will come through November for everyone else"

Translated - we have no clue when everyone else is going to get it.
[XPERIA X10 General] deconfrost:
disapointment, took like 30mins to update and it tells me

Model

X10i

Country

Generic GLOBAL

Brand

Generic

Phone Software version

1227-4612_R2BA026 Generic

i want my 30mins back :)
[XPERIA X10 General] mrtim123:
I'm sorry? What? Don't get me wrong, I'm an SE fan from way back but this is not true at all.
[XPERIA X10 General] bongd:
I have interest in Windows 7 phones sa well but WTH regarding the Google/Nexus One statement? Are you on glue? lol

I WISH I bought a Nexus One but I thought the Xperia X10 was going to be a power house. Unfortunately it wasn't utilized to it's full potential. So disappointed.
[XPERIA X10 General] Cablekevin:
Sony Ericsson should stop going lesbo on the 2.1 update and release it.
[XPERIA X10 General] phoneguy 4567:
No joke Google's roll-out of 2.2 was bad IMO. They announce Froyo at their dev conference & make it seem like it will be released very soon, the fact that they talked about what's coming after 2.2 didn't help. N1 fan-boys used the same arguments SE fans use now, namely I would rather they come out with a stable release then rush and release one with bugs. When they finally release it it was full of problems, a big one was their promised improved Exchange support was for many worse then 2.1.

The X10 & N1 share something else in common they were both launched with a lot of hype & promise, which evaporated soon after they came out.
[XPERIA X10 General] Nankov:
Hi guys can you please update me whats going on just got back from work and there is 100+ pages..
[XPERIA X10 General] SuperUserMovado:
Can someone explain this to me. HTC gets their fw leaked, motorola has leaked firmware,

samsung has leaked firmware, the zte blade had leaked firmware,acer liquid phones has leaked firmware, apple releases beta to their developers(this is not a leak but availabe to the hardcore).Why is Sony one of the only Android manufacturers that doesn't have their fw leak, especially a big one like this.

Do they promise to kill you,rape and murder your family if you even think of rom dumping a phone?
[XPERIA X10 General] elvish:
I don''t think it will take too long for Rogers to get the update usually doesn't but who knows!! I guess it depends how long it takes Rogers to brand there FW!
[XPERIA X10 General] Infinity1988:
They released an application called ambientTime Home. It featured a moving wallpaper. It's nothing special, my point was that they customise the software so they can improve it and make it unique. Most company's just modify the look a bit and then release it. The fact that google added +/- 100 changes to android 1.6 of the 170 changes Sony Ericsson did, proves that they are doing a good job with it. It proves they care about their customers to some degree. They could put android 2.1 on it without any modifications and be one of the first on the market and save them some developement time and money, but they didn't.
[XPERIA X10 General] tready:
100 pages let me see urmm lol na update is sunday night but only to nordic generic fw first
[XPERIA X10 General] Nankov:
What about the rom that is posted earlier on this thread?
[XPERIA X10 General] Desarth:
No, Sony Ericsson just doesn't want their phone to be a Flashwhore so they kept everything top secret.

BTW Did anyone manage to get the new default background from the 2.1 update yet? It's sexeeh.
[XPERIA X10 General] tready:
I must av misted that mate about a rom dump
[XPERIA X10 General] MJ_QaT:
+1 true, it has been like this for a long time, whether it was a windows mobile or android, Sony Ericsson always want to be unique and that's what I love about them
[XPERIA X10 General] tready:
I think all phones should be sold blank then u just got to a site like the market a buy a rom of your choosing for say a fiver a time that would be awsome
[XPERIA X10 General] Nankov:
Ok so my fw is global generic so what does this mean? Sorry i know this was asked a million times before but there is so many pages. What i got is i need nordic for the sunday update right?
[XPERIA X10 General] 3dawg:
Bingo. Took me like 20 seconds, very easy process.

Follow the process here h t t p://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=820986

"X10i CUST-NBC GENERIC 1234-8465 " -- Thats the one you want, I have used it and it gave me generic customised Nordic. Enjoy.
[XPERIA X10 General] Mac_33:
X10a is just the phone with other 3g frequency. And its out mostly in the Americas
[XPERIA X10 General] PGRX10:
There are many Romanians in my country but I have to admit.

I've never seen a Rom dump.
[XPERIA X10 General] phoneguy 4567:
Live wallpaper that you can't change as I remember. the 100 changes Google added what were they? Where they big or were they like Apple's list of changes in OSX releases, where even the most minor change is listed as a improvement?

Most people on XDA would prefer a ROM as vanilla as possible I think. I would not take the fact that they customize so heavily as a sign that they care about the customer. At best it's SE acknowledging the OS they used was already outdated before the phone's release, & it's just SE trying to patch it as best they can IMO.
[XPERIA X10 General] mbrad_26:
This maniac secrecy of SE Would be explain if SE used the xperia android family as a test for their future products. Allready PSP Phone looks very appealing to me. PSP Phone had been seen runing 2.2 android and it beleaving that there are more than one test deviaces who is runing 2.3 (endgadget). So lets look to the future, maybe we will found answears for their behaviour.
[XPERIA X10 General] mbrad_26:
Could you explain that ?
[XPERIA X10 General] bluebanana:
Muwhahaha, it worked. Now the waiting for the update...
[XPERIA X10 General] kafej666:
NEVER EVER SE AGAIN !!!!!!!!!!!! always a lot of talking and doing nothing for almost a year
[XPERIA X10 General] kafej666:
I love You nick D: so sorry i cant resist
[XPERIA X10 General] mbrad_26:
You will come back to SE...wait and see:-). Do not get me wrong I am not a fab boy SE or a fanatic... i also got my frustration regarding SE. But if you look to threst of android phones you will notice that SE has something special.

Cheers
[XPERIA X10 General] PGRX10:
There has been a lot of talk about dumping ROMs.

Ok well I could have said Romulans but they are a fictitious race from Star Trek.

And then I could have said I've never seen a ROM crap... I mean dump.

It's late. I need sleep
[XPERIA X10 General] kafej666:
heh good one ... They have some rules ... release a new phone, forget about it and focus on the manufacture of a new one .... THIS IS SE

I was stupid buying this phone and now I feel cheated by SE
[XPERIA X10 General] mrtim123:
a little story to pass the time

i dont understand why SE get defended for releasing with 1.6 and rolling up to 2.1 very late. let me try to explain it a different way....replacing phone with computer

[se] hey man, i've just finished building your new computer

[dude] oh sweet, whats the specs?

[se] yeah man, its all top shelf stuff....great processor, nice screen its really fast!

[dude] awesome! what os is it running - its gotta be windows 7 right?

[se] umm...about that....we thought that it would be better for you if we installed winXP

[dude] wtf?

[se] oh dont worry, we customised it really nice, its got a different logon screen, the taskbar is heaps thinner than the normal xp!

[dude] WTF? i wanted win7! whats the point of having great hardware if i have a crappy os

[se] nah man, you are not listening....we even made it so that winxp can run a few things from vista! you should see the wallpapers - they are really nice!

[dude] f**k me.....so when can i get win7 on it?

[se] ......

[dude] hello? i asked a question

[se] ......

[dude] YO! WHEN CAN I GET WIN7 ON IT?????

[dude] you know what, f@@k it....ill do it myself.

[dude] oh F@$k you se, why cant i install it myself?!?!??!

.......6 months later.........

[se] Hey man, great news - we are bringing out Win Vista on your pc now!

[dude] wft? Win7 is what i want. Do you hear anything that i say?

[se] so yeah, vista - awesome hey! Its not quite ready yet but sit tight, it cant be far away....

......1 month later.........

[dude] umm, SE? where is vista? why cant i install win7 yet? did you know that win8 is out soon? (i know windows 8 does not exist yet.....humour me!)

[se] um...soon?

[dude] so when can i install win7?

[se] you see our new gaming computer we working on? it has win 8 on it!

[dude] f#*k you....im buying a mac.

sorry, i was bored :D:cool:
[XPERIA X10 General] totalperception:
Don't forget that loading Nordic generic wil not get you to 2.1 any sooner. In addition to reading your IMEI they'll also be blocking by IP address unti your market is ready.
[XPERIA X10 General] djkidy123:
Nice one....
[XPERIA X10 General] phoneguy 4567:
^^^^

Great way to sum up what SE is doing :)
[XPERIA X10 General] Puck24:
It's exactly like that!

sent from my 026 CE3 X10i
[XPERIA X10 General] wwoutt:
sombody know how to get the java error away??
[XPERIA X10 General] Viking_Power:
LOL. If you flash a new a rom, SE will not update it.

You are also warned by the site where you find the roms.
[XPERIA X10 General] jayman1986:
Mrtim123,

LOL

So true, your a legend!

: )
[XPERIA X10 General] NoirCavalier:
That´s so damn cool. XD

It says all what we are thinking about the Xperia X10 and SE....
[XPERIA X10 General] wwoutt:
flash tool the same thing??
[XPERIA X10 General] 3dawg:
Can you elaborate? So because I flashed to generic nordic, I will no longer recieve the 2.1 update? Sounds wrong to me. COuld you explain please?
[XPERIA X10 General] tready:
Which site is this then the one iv seen warns not to flash 10a with 10i as the seus wont work is that the site u mean
[XPERIA X10 General] sim-value:
Awesome ;-) ;-)

It's 1:1 our situation because of Gingerbread...
[XPERIA X10 General] aussiesausage:
my X10a says its a X10i now after i flashed a global genric ROM

does that mean im stuffed in getting the update?
[XPERIA X10 General] tready:
Yeah totally stuffed u need to flash it bk to 10a else u wont gt updated
[XPERIA X10 General] 3dawg:
No idea man, the guy who left the comment has just vanished. I hate when people leave controversial comments that get everyone looking for answers and then they just dissapear leaving everyone to figure it out themselves, its so selfish and just plain rude.

If you are going to leave a controversial comment, at least elborate on the point so that people can fully understand what you are talking about. GOD!
[XPERIA X10 General] 3dawg:
I went from x10i Uk generic to X10i nordic generic. Will i still recieve the update?
[XPERIA X10 General] tready:
If u mean me well pardon me for needing a piss
[XPERIA X10 General] marice22:
I did the same.. we should be fine :)
[XPERIA X10 General] SK_007:
Off course you will.............
[XPERIA X10 General] aussiesausage:
how do i flash back to X10a, but get a X10a ROM?

im worried now
[XPERIA X10 General] tready:
There isnt a nordic a rom only i roms a roms are american
[XPERIA X10 General] _calum_:
Dude, that is just not on. I can't believe you'd do something so awful. Who do you think you are anyway? Don't you know that our problems are so important that you should just go in your pants. Man, some people have no consideration... you're supposed to be here 24/7

:p :p :p

Right, I'm off to bed now, so no more replies from me :D
[XPERIA X10 General] aussiesausage:
so am i stuffed?

im confused, what do i do now? just leave it?

i checked update service and it said my phone has the latest software, is it working?

does it give me an error or something if the X10a>X10i ROM stuffed it?
[XPERIA X10 General] tready:
This is wot iv read on xda x10a is america x10i is rest of world if you cross flash them seus wont work.
[XPERIA X10 General] 3dawg:
No it ws not you, it was Viking "something". :cool:
[XPERIA X10 General] 3dawg:
Like I said it wasnt him. The guy who did it "Viking something" left a comment that he really should have backed up before dissapearing, as it caused a little fuss a few pages back.
[XPERIA X10 General] totalperception:
SE will be reading your IEMI manufacturing data as well as your IP data for this and all future updates. If you're not meant to get an update a/k/a as using Nordic generic to get 2.1 before say AT&T releases and you bought an AT&T version. You can't cheat SE.
[XPERIA X10 General] _calum_:
Oops, sweet.

Still, would've been funny if someone was getting chewed out for taking a piss :)

Anyway, I'll let you guys get back to the topic, looks like all the guys in here just passing time and having a laugh have moved to irc...
[XPERIA X10 General] 3dawg:
Im in the uk, flashed from x10i uk generic to x10i nordic generic. Does that statement still apply to me? I bought my pone originally from vodapone if that matters. It is an x10i.
[XPERIA X10 General] aussiesausage:
im in australia and i have a X10a.

although it states X10i now i flashed it
[XPERIA X10 General] tready:
Yes cause se will no its a uk phone by it im number all this flashing re flashing wont make any dif u will only gt update wen its your turn so basicaly in your case vodafone will say wen u gt yours
[XPERIA X10 General] SaintyUK:
Total bullplop! Where are your sources?
[XPERIA X10 General] Mac_33:
I'm sure something will find a way to flash the 2.1 generic firmware on all X10's if this really is true.
[XPERIA X10 General] tready:
I think x10a is australia as well as the america wen i say america i mean americas
[XPERIA X10 General] SaintyUK:
Surely EMMA will get it before sunday ;-)
[XPERIA X10 General] tready:
Lol se read wot they av been saying ie kits
[XPERIA X10 General] SaintyUK:
Kits = different CDF numbers firmware only. No imei or ip checks!
[XPERIA X10 General] totalperception:
Okay now that I'm on my PC I can clarify in more detail.

Sony Ericsson will be reading your IMEI # and other manufacturing data in addition to what firmware version you currently have on your device. The version of firmware you have on your device will not be what SE uses to determine which 2.1 update you receive. Some other data they'll be looking at when rolling out 2.1 updates are your IP addresses. They'll also be able to tell if you're trying to do any type of spoofing of the data and will just block you temporarily. They want to ensure that your device gets a version of the software that is compliant with all legal and carrier contract aspects. They will prevent you from cheating the system. They've also enhanced the security of SEUS and the ROM itself making it damn near impossible for the XDA, Modaco and Cyanogen devs to do anything with the FW and SW.

I want you to think about this. They can read where you're connected from. They can read when your device was manufactured. They can read if you're trying to spoof the system. They don't care about every user getting the latest and greatest and being able to hack their phone. It's not their business model. They want you to get a Nexus One if you want to hack your phone. They want to sell devices that are of the highest consumer grade quality and compliant to all laws in their respective markets and meet carrier certifications. This is so that they can uphold their reputation as a diligent public company.

Their view is that the device is theirs to do as they choose with. They have every right to block access to the bootloader and guess what 95% of their customers don't care or won't do anything about it because they want warranty coverage.

I've loaded a generic 1.6 026 USA ROM and I'm hopeful that I'll be able to bypass the AT&T version - but chances are that this is exactly the version I'll get something mid to late November.

You can't cheat Sony. Look at what they did to the PS3 hackers in a country where hacking is LEGAL. They shut them down and took all their property through a court order. They have more money and power than the entire Android user community combined. Stop trying to beat them and move on because the second any one of us does find something they'll patch it. Who's to say that they can't remotely force patch either? It's probably a feature hidden inside of 2.1.

Sony and Ericsson are bigger than HTC so can afford to do this. Motorola is bigger than HTC so can afford to do this. These are large publicly traded companies. Compliance, Standards, Legal and Quality are on their mind. 95% of Xperia users are happy with the device the way it is without root and hacked OS's installed.

SOURCE: The guy I sold collocation space to who was contracted by SE to roll this outdated FW out in the USA, Europe and Asia.
[XPERIA X10 General] tready:
Well all i can say us we will c sunday
[XPERIA X10 General] SaintyUK:
Your opinion only! I still believe you are wrong
[XPERIA X10 General] i_rakov:
I'm sure that within a few hours the ROM is going to be decrypted and then we can just flash it using the flash tool...
[XPERIA X10 General] mrtim123:
lol but im x10i :)
[XPERIA X10 General] tready:
No not my opinion only thete loads of ppl saying it read some back posts from this afternoon
[XPERIA X10 General] tready:
Yeah because u flashed it to x10i thats wot u said lol
[XPERIA X10 General] SaintyUK:
I've read every post in this thread throughout the last six days and no evidence has indicated anything you have said is correct!
[XPERIA X10 General] mrtim123:
look, i dont doubt you beleive what you are saying, but that is just it....you are saying it. where is the proof that they will break protocol and start examining the hardware in detail? stop spreading panic without proof. prove it and i will happily listen, until then i call bullsh!t
[XPERIA X10 General] mrtim123:
nope, mine says x10i behind the battery. we have both in aussie!!
[XPERIA X10 General] arkedk:
All the post I've read from him has been a lot of gibberish.

Just think I'm gonna find out if there is a ignore list i can put him on :)
[XPERIA X10 General] Viking_Power:
Quoted from the site with the ROM's.

Please note: Flashing your Xperia X10i to X10a (and vice versa) will result in SEUS not being able to update your phone for future updates.

Ok. So this means you would not flash an a-ROM with the i-ROM. Or vice verca. If you do, SE update wont work.

i with an i is ok, and a- with an a-ROM is ok.
[XPERIA X10 General] mrtim123:
there is mate! click his name to view his public profile, then click user lists, add to ignore list :)
[XPERIA X10 General] devein:
great scott!

so, basically, when one has 2.1 update:

- all we need is to tell us his system.prop ID code and if it is x10i or x10a

- we edit system.prop accordingly if we have proper phone (x10i or x10a)

- PROFIT!! we have 2.1 installed

is that correct? is this the most laziest AND quickest way to have update on sunday evening?

please confirm.

:D

(i know that to edit files on /system , putting it in read-write mode is needed, and to do that, root is needed.)
[XPERIA X10 General] SaintyUK:
In theory thats right yep :-)
[XPERIA X10 General] tready:
Spreading panic ffs thats a bit strong its an update for a phone why would u panic if the world was ending id understand come on man get a grip
[XPERIA X10 General] aussiesausage:
if i flashed back to X10a would it work again?

hopefully someone will decrypt it and upload it for me :)
[XPERIA X10 General] arkedk:
Correct you can change your default.prop file now to a NCB number and get the update on Sunday or just re-install your 1.6 system now so it becomes a NCB (Nordic Combined (B)) firmware.

Remember this will only work if you got x10i, since NCB is x10i region. And x10a with x10i F/W won't be recognized by SEUS.

Procedure to do so is here:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=8892816&postcount=3
[XPERIA X10 General] totalperception:
Ignore all you want. Be delusional. I'm no troll.
[XPERIA X10 General] aussiesausage:
lol what are you on about?
[XPERIA X10 General] NightSidew1nd3r:
Wrong. Telstra in Australia uses x10a. It's all to do with radio frequency. And that isn't country specific, depends on carriers
[XPERIA X10 General] totalperception:
Folks that don't believe fact and if what's said doesn't match what they want to hear get all bent out of shape. Quoted on wrong post on my part... :)