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[Windows Phone 7 General] jsgiv:
First - are you so sure about that?

HTC:

http://androidforums.com/sprint-htc-hero/25486-htc-hero-gps-screwy.html

http://android.stackexchange.com/qu...-on-htc-desire-after-android-2-2-froyo-update

http://community.htc.com/na/htc-forums/android/f/98/p/7934/35032.aspx

http://androidforums.com/desire-support-troubleshooting/138741-gps-not-working-after-froyo.html

Motorola:

http://androidforums.com/droid-support-troubleshooting/19977-moto-droid-gps-problems.html

http://androidforums.com/motorola-droid/119417-gps-not-working.html

http://androidforums.com/motorola-droid/14768-google-navigation-searching-gps.html

Seems fairly obvious that the problem is hardware agnostic (i.e. software related)...

Second - I'm pretty sure if you asked Samsung if they thought this was a hardware issue - they'd immediately point back to a software issue. I'm also betting HTC and Motorola would do the same.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Duh, it is still yet another mobile OS by Microsoft. No way around it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
You can Google for a pink elephant and I bet you'd find it. My point is type GPS problems for any phone and I bet you'll find it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
http://www.neowin.net/news/htc-windows-phone-7-devices-seeing-bugs-other-issues

OMG windows phone 7 GPS is horrible in every way possible in every phone in every single respect!
[Windows Phone 7 General] jeffgeno:
And Android can't do anything Windows Mobile 6.5 couldn't. I guess that means Windows Mobile was just as good.
[Windows Phone 7 General] thlinx:
I think android is amazing and id never switch to win 7

Sent from my windows phone 7 Tapatalk
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
lol...I'm with ya, WP7 is the dog's knut.

Sent from my Android ass-whooping HD7
[Windows Phone 7 General] naplesbill:
In all actuality, these problems (while seeming similar) are likely different issues. Even if you say "it's hardware," that does not necessarily let software off the hook. In order for hardware to function, it needs software (in the form of firmware and drivers for the OS). The Galaxy S devices have some sort of firmware/driver issues that have STILL not been resolved.

I have a Samsung Focus and the GPS has been nothing less than perfect. But, you are correct that ALL makes of Smartphones have had GPS issues. All this really shows is that there are many points of failure between a hardware device, such as GPS, and the software and drivers that allow them to operate.

There is no point in blaming Android, or WP7 for issues that are clearly software or driver issues in relation to hardware access. In the case of the Galaxy S, there is an obvious drop-off of functionality over time. This almost certainly points to a software bug. The real question is where is the bug? Is it in firmware, drivers, or both? It is obviously not an Android issue because it would affect all devices. Even if you want to claim it as an Android incompatibility with the hardware, that still points to a firmware or driver issue. It is just a matter of 1s and 0s after all.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
That's the beauty of WM, all it needed was a UI overhaul.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
It's irrelevant to the discussion here. Open a new thread if you want to discuss wm6.5 vs android.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Others would have us believe WinMo and WP7 are kin.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
Android OS provides a reliable and working GPS application interface.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jeffgeno:
I'm guessing you're being willfully obtuse here. The relevance is obvious. Comparing platforms with a checkbox list of features is useless when you're not considering implementation. You're saying a swiss army knife is clearly better than a Global chef's knife because it can do more things poorly. If all I want to do is cook dinner, the swiss army knife's crappy screwdriver doesn't make up for the poor way it chops my food.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jeffgeno:
It needed a whole lot more than that. I've used WM devices for years and the general lagginess and instability were even bigger issues than the UI.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
Once again, look at the title of the thread, and let's stay on topic.

If you want to compare WM6.5 to Android, WM6.5 to iPhone, iPhone to Android, WM6.5 to WP7, iPhone to WP7 should we start cluttering this already enormous thread with it?
[Windows Phone 7 General] 2hdass:
This topic is a very bad topic to start with.

WP7 is way too young to say anything about. It is so obvious that M$ is playing very carefully here, to restrict a lot of functionality until the code base is complete with the functionality that it should come with.

I am very pretty sure Microsoft has looked at Android to gain ideas of what to put into WP7, Windows was a copy of Xerox's OS to start with.

And i am pretty sure they know that if they need to get back into the Smartphone game, they need to hit head-to-head to Android and iOS.

WP7, is incomplete as of the moment. After using the Focus for 3 weeks, and loving it, I realized there are a lot of room for even better experience. I.e. better navigation to turn off Wifi/bluetooth, folders within the menu, allowing more control over phone in API

and as a software developer, I was surprised to see the small API WindowsPhone7 with the powerful hardware. Along with Microsoft's effect to push developers into the marketplace, it just doesn't make sense for Microsoft to put so much restriction, rather than hiding the fact that they were behind schedule and many things got cut off.

Therefore it is impossible to compare the 2 OSes now.

Not hardwarely, not softwarely.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Jim Coleman:
Ultimately, the problem with Android is, it's made by an Advertising Vendor.

What that means is, making OSes is not their raison d'etre. Making money from advertising is. Hence, Android is merely a vehicle to realize that goal. Slowly but surely, Android users will start to see what that means. Google give Android away for free. It's a poisoned chalice. They make no money from it. So what's the business model? You give away something for free only when it will eventually make you money some other way. That way is advertising. Eventually Android will become a mobile advertising platform - first and foremost. Google are biding their time, waiting for market dominance, and then - WHAM! Your Android phone will get an update turning it into the biggest commercial advertising delivery system the world has seen.

You probably won't agree with me now. And if WP7 can defeat Android, you'll likely never see it happen. But mark my words, if Android become top dog........
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
If you think MS is not using your information for profit in advertising ventures you live in the same cloud.

P.S. The underlying mechanism for the vendor to earn money does not hinder the functionality of the OS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Jim Coleman:
I'm sure they are, but at least they're an OS manufacturer. Making and selling OSes is what they do. They have to make good OSes to survive. Replacing Vista and WM with Win7 and WP7 show just how much they rely on OS income.

P.S. The underlying mechanism for the vendor to earn money does not hinder the functionality of the OS.[/QUOTE]

Er, yes it does actually. Google is geared towards ad revenue, not making brilliant OSes. That's where their philosophy lies, that's what they're geared towards. That's why Android isn't great.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
That's your opinion, everyone is entitled to one.

Find us a perfect OS?
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
Originally Posted by Jim Coleman Ultimately, the problem with Android is, it's made by an Advertising Vendor. What that means is, making OSes is not their raison d'etre. Making money from advertising is. Henc is merely a vehicle to realize that goal. Slowly but surely, Android users will start to see what that me Google give Android away for free. It's a poisoned chalice. They make no money from it. So what's th model? You give away something for free only when it will eventually make you money some other w way is advertising. Eventually Android will become a mobile advertising platform -first and foremost are biding their time, waiting for market dominance, and then -WHAM! Your Android phone will get turning it into the biggest commercial advertising delivery system the world has seen. You probably won't agree with me now. And if WP7 can defeat Android, you'll likely never see it hap mark my words, if Android become top dog........

I hope the first quote isn't being serious about that Google's can't make all of these because its "just" a advertising company:

mapping software

database software

operating systems

instant messanging apps

office apps

email apps

search apps

kernels

file systems

slate OS's

laptop OS's

phone OS's

the list goes on. Microsoft is an office centric company. Google is a database centric company. ms expanded in the 90 s, Google in the later 2000s. and Apple? they've dominated everything they're touched since 1998.

someone needs to wake up!
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Sure Google is making everything to sell ads. However, it's too late now to change the trend, as WP7 Marketplace is getting poisoned by ad-supported apps as well.
[Windows Phone 7 General] The Gate Keeper:
whilst i do not agree that both Google and Apple have made great products, neither of them continually make products that are a success. Example for Google would be Google Wave or Google Buzz. I wouldn't consider either a product of success but merely one there because they can't stand not being the medium of information for them to harvest your details. And Apple, their macbooks aren't a success otherwise windows wouldn't be where it is, they have no enterprise server presence as they just killed off their server products a few months back, and I wouldn't call Apple TV a glaring success either.

I know, MS isn't a beacon of success either. And that's what we have to realise as well, the more these companies fight it out for everything under the sun, the better products we get at the end of the day.

As for the argument that a company cannot produce products well because it's not their main source of income or it's their goal, I would definitely know this isn't true. I work for a bank in Australia and our online banking system is within the top 10 visited sites of Australia constantly, and we developed the majority of it ourselves. Our goal is to be a bank, but we can still produce solid IT products. Don't discount Google for the mere fact it's an advertising/search company. Their products that are a success are because they offer a great service within them.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Exactly! That's all the more reason to remain neutral about brand loyalty. I love Apple, MS and Google. I hate none of them. Nobody else should either.
[Windows Phone 7 General] linuxmotion:
+1

Sent from CM Nightly 11-20 using Tapatalk.
[Windows Phone 7 General] zukа:
Do you work for CBA? I love their Netbank suite
[Windows Phone 7 General] The Gate Keeper:
yes i do. and glad that you enjoy it. i work specifically in the online area so i know how much effort goes into making it the experience it is.
[Windows Phone 7 General] zukа:
keep up the good work, it's great stuff. Agree with what you said about being platform agnostic as well - my computer is microsoft, my phone is google (hopefully microsoft soon), my mp3 player is apple and my tablet will be as well.

brand loyalty in the tech sector is a bit dumb - i read an interview with an ad exec which summed it up quite well.

"'A LOT of advertising is based on brands pretending that they're your friends. Brands are not my friends. I don't believe that Apple, Google and Facebook are my friends or have my best interests at heart.''

Translation: Use what works for you and what you like.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
Truthfully, most of the people posting in here are behaving quite childish and there is an absence of any logical thinking.

iOS, Android, Symbian, WebOS, BB OS and Windows Phone are all different OSes that offer unique user experiences. To really have this silly argument about which one is "better" is like arguing about the best flavour of ice cream.

We all know Chocolate Chip Cookie Dough is the best. :D

Seriously, each OS is unique enough that we as individuals will gravitate towards the one that appeals to us the most.

I like the simplicity of the Windows Phone UI. I do not like some of the missing features. But Windows Phone is a few updates away from being the best phone for my purposes.
[Windows Phone 7 General] makoute:
You are crazy, we all know cookies n cream rules. :mad:
[Windows Phone 7 General] Viper89:
Windows Phone 7 'Mango' update expected in late 2011

Windows Phone 7 users were hoping for a massive update to come in January. We told you recently, however, that the January update will likely only contain copy/paste functionality and CDMA support. Then there is another update in February, to be unveiled at the Mobile World Congress, which will contain increased customization options and improved developer tools.

According to ZDNet, a truly 'massive' update won't be coming until August or September of 2011. That update, codenamed 'Mango,' will add both the Silverlight plug-in and HTML 5 support for WP7's Internet Explorer. The rumor mill suggests that the 'Mango' update will actually be called Windows Phone 7.5, and we can hope that it will include multi-tasking.

The 'Mango' or Windows Phone 7.5 update will preclude the 'Apollo' update in 2012, which may in fact be Windows Phone 8. We can expect one of these updates, more likely 'Mango,' to contain increased enterprise functionality. Although Windows Phone 7 would make a terrific enterprise operating system, it currently supports a limited portion of Exchange ActiveSync features.

But we want to know what you think. Is this rollout too slow for your tastes? Or are you satisfied with their slow-but-sure update strategy?

source: ZDNet via BoyGeniusReport

Question what do you WP7 users think of this, just curious?
[Windows Phone 7 General] GrandArcher:
1) Does Windows Phone have the ability to record calls (which is legal in my country) ?

2) Is there any usable application in windows mobile that allows to read books in txt and fb2 format. (cause even if I google it I see only android applications :confused:)

3) I personally find the look of windows UI the most ugly.. And I wonder can I customize it even a little bit, not just changing the colours of bricks.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Jim Coleman:
You've already made your decision.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
I would say it's kinda slow.

That means I would have usable device in 9 months. Loong time.

And apparently no rumours about any file access.

@nrfitchett4

I think I'm a bit opposite to you.

I often want a less stable device which can do much more than the opposite.

I have to agree: WM6.5.3 is not the king of stability.

But it doesn't prevent it from doing things WP7 will probably never do.

What saddens me actually.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Jim Coleman:
The person who needs to wake up is you. Google makes all of these things free. Why? So they can monitor you using them, and so they can collate data about you and how you're using their apps.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12/17/media_as_apps/

the above article concerns how Google is losing the ability to harvest data from users of apps on devices such as smartphones. Newspapers, for instance, within apps cannot have their data slurped by Google because they lie within a "walled garden". This is why Google came up with Android and ChromeOS. If they can dominate tablets, PCs and smartphones, then even info in apps (on their OSes) can be mined. Google needs to mine data everywhere in order to support its advertising sales.

You don't really think Google provides all this stuff for free out of some kind of philanthropical people-loving goodness do you?

Any company that has to have "Do no evil" as a corporate motto, probably does rather a lot of evil.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JamesAllen:
Open your mind or at least your eyes

posted by nrfitchett4,

"1. You are a 62 year old man with dexter's laboratory as your avatar? Kinda creepy

2. If that full range of functionality on winmo was such a selling point, why is MS bleeding market share???

What you need to understand is that the buyer's of today and tomorrow are teenagers who want multimedia, games, texting, and social networking on their phones. They are the driving market, not 62 year olds. Most 62 year olds have flip phones if they have phones at all, or they have iphones because their kids bought them for them.

MS said from the get go that entertainment aspects of the OS would be the primary goal at launch with business aspects being improved upon within the first year. So far they are doing just that."

As I mentioned in another post, MS is now refering to WM 6.5 as WINDOWS PHONE 6.5 (on their Windows Mobile site). Is it not logical therefore to assume that WP7 is the next version? I find your comments demeaning at best, ignorant at worst (relative to 62 year olds). I helped launch an Internet Access Provider service for one of the largest communications companies in the US, then some of the first content provider areas on the Internet, then the first PDA service (in partnership with SONY, Motorola etc.). So, blind defender of MS WP7, we 62 year olds gave you the paltforms you enjoy today. Without us 62 year olds, where would you be?
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
look,

the reason Android is better is because it sounds cooler. I mean c'mon if you are going to buy something awesome, would get

"Android"

"windows phone 7"

"iOS"

obviously you want the cooler sounding one. Symbian sounds kinda cool I guess, but I dunno...
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Yes it is absolutely justified to treat WP7 as the next WP version. And using very common argument here, average consumer doesn't care which OS iteration it is. They want features.
[Windows Phone 7 General] GrandArcher:
Well.. HD7 costs almost 270$ less than Desire HD, so I can live with uglyness. But I need my functionality.

So the main question is - can or cannot Windows Phone provide me the applications I currently have on my good old nokia n95 !

which are

1) gps

2) book reader

3) call recorder

4) organaizer

and who really cares if animation in phone is smooth.. I'd disable it if its possible at all.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Mhm, of course. You opened my eyes.
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
indeed,

that's why they call me the "eye-opener"
[Windows Phone 7 General] Viper89:
How many times a day does my phone freeze or lag? With the Energy Rom I'm using now my phone hasn't froze yet, and for lag it depends on what UI I'm using, the only one that really is noticeable is TL with GPU acceleration but that's only when it first boots and I'm also using animated wallpapers to, but when it completely boots there is hardly if any lag. If it has a processor, ram, and OS it's going to lag or freeze eventually no matter what OS. And as for the boot speed if my UI was made up 2d/3D squares and fading in and out transitions then I would expect my OS to boot up in 30 secs to:rolleyes:. And as for as WM boot speed it depends on the rom and how many apps you booting up at startup any way. The rom I'm using I would say 1:30 -2:00 min and that's not an issue for me because when it does boot up I can do anything I want with my phone with no limits and I don't have to wait to Sept of next year for a major update just to do things my phone "Out of the Box" should already be doing, so you can have your 30 sec boot speed for all I care lol. Edit: And as for those long list of bugs you were asking about take a look at the WP7 bug list thread it's stickied so you can't miss it ;).
[Windows Phone 7 General] tomhierl:
No you don't get it! I don't give a **** about where my files are on Android and I don't need a file manager because Android finds them automatically, but I can have them on the phone!

I can not have my files on WP7, because it doesn't let me copy them to the phone and open them with any app.

Users want their files. They don't care about where their files are and they don't need file managers, but they want to be able to have the files on their phones and that is NOT POSSIBLE with WP7.

No I said you can get everything done faster with Android and that is true. I don't care how "fast" the UI is, I just want to get things done and go on with my life and Android is perfect for that.

Maybe the WP7 UI looks fast, but it's not thought through and doesn't let you get things done quickly.

Depens on your definition of "soon". August 2011 is pathetic in my opinion, but if you think that's soon, well, good for you!

No, but they care about THEIR FILES. I don't care about a file explorer either, don't even have one installed on Android (because Android does everything automatically) but I want my files. That isn't so hard to understand, is it???
[Windows Phone 7 General] JamesAllen:
I agree. I have hundreds of music files (mp3, WMA), video files, Office files, txt files, PDF files, custom ringtones, pictures etc. that I want on any new device, especially a WP7 device when I am running a WP 6.5. Are you telling me I cannot transfer these files to my new WP device, from my old WP device (that's what MS now calls WM 6.5)? How absurd and lame is that? Reinforces my opinion to wait for the next couple of updates before deciding on a WP7 device. I won't select any other OS in the meantime (don't find them compelling enough). If I could find hardware equivalent to the WP7 hardware that would run WM (WP) 6.5, I would do that. But I will wait.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tomhierl:
Well, you can email them to yourself. :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] JamesAllen:
Email Files

How lame is that???? MS had to know they were going to take heat for leaving out something as basic as this. People in other threads are making statements about WP7 having all the necessary features of a smartphone and that it is just not "polished" yet. Not polished? That's being far too kind. The people making these statements and being such rabid and blind defenders, are primarily people who dove into the deep end of the pool with the big boys and now have to defend to themselves that diving in was a smart decision.

Look, I fully intend to go to WP7 when they have added those missing features that are important to me, but mostly for the improvement in hardware more than the actual OS. I am not a MS basher, look at the ROMs and hardware in my signature and you'll realize that. I just want people to stop telling those of us who are normally early adopters and very tolerant of tweaking etc., that this is a great OS and we don't know what we are talking about. This potential "jewel" is very rough at this point and in a condition that most of us would never have expected.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tomhierl:
I fully agree. Good post.

I've been using Microsoft products exclusively for years, but when I say what WP7 was going to be, I switched to Android and I'm very happy. It's what Windows Mobile should have become, the same power, all the features of Windows Mobile (and more) combined with the ease of use of the iPhone.

It hurts when I think of Windows Mobile and how far ahead Microsoft once was, but right now I can't recommend WP7 to anyone and if the rumors are true (first "major" update not before August 2011 - and "major" means basic stuff like HTML5), that surely won't change within the next few years (which is an eternity in this market).
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Android cannot comparw to winmo and symbian when it comes to features.

It just looks better, performs a little better, and has better devices than winmo.

But its missing a ton of features compared to it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tomhierl:
What are you smoking? Android easily offers more functionality than both Symbian and WM and obviously a significantly better UI, too.