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[HD7 General] phenixdragon:
Why when I don't need to? Love WM7, my Nexus One and G2 wayyyy better. Even my Treo 700wx.

And why are you giving me sh** when I am giving this other guy sh** for making a stupid comment. My point is him bit**ing about having a phone with storage cards and his cry brain hurting. My point is that it's simple, and there isn't any headaches about using a phone with replacable SD card storage. Might want to read what I was saying instead of trying to slam me.
[HD7 General] ceesheim:
sorry, it is not personal .

the problem is that some people hate wp7 because they can't replace the sd card , and that is not right .

you stated that the only thing you/others want is to have replaceable storage and I reacted on only that .
[HD7 General] truffle1234:
what u will do with Focus..... change memory??? once u put a new card it will need hard reset if you have any data on it will be lost, and when u take out the card from your phone u will not be able t oread it on any PC.....
[HD7 General] Jim Coleman:
So, which part of "...my own perspective..." did you fail to comprehend?
[HD7 General] lumpaywk:
Actually (most) people just want enough space for what they use. wp7 handle the cards in a diff way to keep the speed of the apps just buy a device with enough space to start with.
[HD7 General] tadwitte:
I bought a Sandisk 32 GB Class 2 card. It's legit, but it doesn't work with my htc hd7. I can't get it to do a hard reset...
[HD7 General] Ut0p1a:
Kingston 32GB Class 4

After reading many many pages regarding Kingston (work/not work or slow)vs Sandisk(work). Anyway, I bought 32GB class 4 Kingston (about 30 days ago because I thought it was going to be in high demand and price may go up) while my HD7 is on pre-order with T-mobile.

My question is.

Do you boot up your phone and then change the MicroSD card? Or do you change the MicroSD card and then boot up?

I am about to embark on the unknown, so if you did #1 boot up first ? or #2 change the MicroSD card first?

OK< works flawlessly.

Fresh from out of the box. I took the MicroSD(orginal) card out and made the exact dup copy to my 32GB. Then replace the 32GB and boot up. So far so good.
[HD7 General] homer.web:
Honestly, how many of you already had run out of the space?
[HD7 General] Alexander Man:
Finally got my T-mobile HTC HD7 and upgraded the micro SD card with the SanDisk 32GB Class 2. No problems so far! Nice to have all that space for movies.

Been impressed with the HD7 but still hanging onto my iPhone 4 :).
[HD7 General] betojf:
link to sandisk card that works

phenixdragon:

Is this the model of the card you've bought:

SDSDQ-032G-A11M

Thanks!
[HD7 General] Wolfman017:
Hi,

I bought a Sandisk 32GB card, and I am trying to get it working. The phone does not seem to see it. I don't know if the card needs to be formatted before being used ?! I have no MicroSD/SD card adapter right here to test it on my computer.

Here is the reference of my card. Maybe we can compare the references of the working and non-working cards : SDSDQM-032G-B35.

The card is marked as a Class 4 card.
[HD7 General] nok_fusion:
sandisk don't do class 4 card,go to the website u Will see it.they only sell 32gb class 2,so u'r card seems like a fake
[HD7 General] nrfitchett4:
like the other poster said, more than likely your card is a fake sandisk. I haven't seen a sandisk class 4 that has worked (probably because they are all fake). I have seen a couple people get them through newegg which is bad because newegg should QC their site.
[HD7 General] Wolfman017:
I bought my card on Rueducommerce.fr. I will return it to them.

I found a Sandisk Class 2 on eBay (a french reseller). He confirmed me it was a Class 2 card, not a Class 4. I ordered it, I will see if it works this time...
[HD7 General] nok_fusion:
i'm in france too & i buy mine on amazon.fr,the reseller is: SOTEL france,with them u'r be sure your card is authentic :)

edit: i just saw the price increase compared to when i bought it(75€,now u find it for almost 100€ :eek:)
[HD7 General] abethebomb:
htc hd7 sd card slot

Guys check out what i found:

1800pocketpc.com/2010/11/01/how-to-install-a-32-gb-memory-card-on-the-htc-hd7

:):):):):)
[HD7 General] abethebomb:
htc hd7 sd card how to change

Check this out:

wmpoweruser.com/how-to-change-the-microsd-card-on-the-htc-hd7-without-breaking-the-warranty-sticker-video-tutorial

:D:D
[HD7 General] Wolfman017:
I paid 50€ for the new one. I should receive it today or tomorrow...hope it will work :p
[HD7 General] Wolfman017:
With my new card, it is a complete success !!!!!!!!!! I have know 32 GB ! :D

I made a complete tutorial (in french) right here : http://www.monsmartphone.net/gonfler-son-htc-hd7-a-32-go-t1036.html

Edit : English version here : http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=883582
[HD7 General] vacuumdiver:
I was finally able to boost memory with a Sandisk 16 GB class two (2) card. A 16 MB class 4 and 32 MB class 4 were not even recognized by the phone.

So far (48 hrs) no speed/stability issues, and I loaded lots of stuff on the phone - email, videos, podcasts and of course my beloved zune pass ;-)
[HD7 General] newowner:
surrender your rights

I was excited to get an HD7 until I heard there was no SD Card Slot....

How can anyone be excited about not having more flexibility?!

Cloud - that's something you don't own - what happens if you are dissatisfied with your service and leave, or miss a few payments and they **** can your account?

Microsoft is no where near where Apple is - just get an iphone if you want a closed system!

As for win7 big deal - what's so good about it?!

I don't see any advance with the HD7, just a backwards step by Microsoft.:mad:

Mircosoft won when it allowed others to build computers using the Microsoft O/S and now they want to close the ability of the public to use their hardware as they see fit - just like Apple did.

As you can see Android is taking off and it's because Android is open and so many people want something customized to their needs.:)
[HD7 General] Cruzer1:
You obviously havent used an iOS device, or are a hardcore user which, sorry to say, just don't make up much marketshare. Most of my friends who got an Android handset bought it ONLY because they did not want to look like 75% of the population with an iPhone. They did not choose it because it was an open OS, none of them even knew or cared about whether its open or not. Most are regretting it because Android has alot less quality apps and in terms of gaming, what a joke, you get powerful hardware yet graphics suck. It's hardware differentiation and the closed 'it just works' aspect of iOS that will make WP7 gain alot of followers.

I'm personally excited because I love how iOS (iPad) works, but don't want an iPhone. WP7, like the iPhone, will have alot of features missing, but the features it DOES have, it will do very well. No more needing to flash to make the device run faster, smoother or more reliable.
[HD7 General] xma1e:
Where I agree with some of what you say, I am excited at the fact that Windows Phone will finally bring a THIRD option to the table. The biggest problem with Apple right now is their morale crusade on what information we are allowed to look at with our devices. If anything, we should be more concerned with what content Apple tend to block it's users from accessing. At least we know MS cannot do this because of anti-competetive laws.
[HD7 General] Necroman_AI:
Let me help you clarify some things:

To put it accurately, Windows Phone does support expandable storage. But it does not support removable storage. This means when you replace the card you have to do a hard reset but that is not very important since you can sync it again and the important stuff like contacts, email, etc is on the cloud.

Cloud services on Microsoft are FREE! Not like Apple that you have to pay for! You have 25GB on SkyDrive free and i used it all the time for a very long time now and never had any problem... Do you know Windows Live? These are some of the FREE cloud services offered by Microsoft... Oh and Google have 8GB for email, right? Hotmail is unlimited...

You are right, Microsoft is much better :D They got the good stuff from the others but improved it a lot!

I like Android and i have been using it, but Android is not for everyone! If someone between 10 and 60 would try a WP7 phone, all people could use it without any help because its simple and powerful at the same time... Can you say the same about iPhone or Android? No
[HD7 General] The.Clone:
Still the question remains: sdCard Slot available in HD7 ( expandable storage not removable storage) ? It does not matter if i have to setup the phone new after changing the card, i could sync everything. But... only 8GB internal memory and no expandable memory is definitely not enough....
[HD7 General] Jonno2343:
This is quite an interesting article regarding SD Cards in WP7 - http ://wmpoweruser.com/storage-cards-and-wp7/ (will need to remove the space there)

Since the storage sizes will be different in different regions I would assume that they are using a MicroSD card but that it is just hidden away from user access.

At least I hope this is the case :) A 32GB HD7 would be a great replacement for my Zune HD!
[HD7 General] olly183:
HTC Accessories for HD7!!!

Just to muddy the water even more the HTC website lists MIcroSD Cards as accessories for the HD7, Just where are you supposed to shove it!

Has anyone seen a review which opens it up? maybe its accessible behind the battery?

Regards

Olly
[HD7 General] TschonDoe:
Here you go: http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/18/htc-hd7-versus-desire-hd-battle-of-the-4-3-inchers/

I just can't make out a Micro SD Slot, but it's kinda out of focus
[HD7 General] mrmomoman:
Most likely it will be behind the battery. In essense we can expand with a hard reset of a new card inserted. You are not limited to the 8Gb or 16B factory specs. If you can find a good 64GB or 32GB you have 40GB or 48GB storage space. Along with the cloud push you will have more than enough to do what you want to do.
[HD7 General] tboy2000:
Confirmed - HD7 DOES have a micro SD slot :)

http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/03/electronics/B0046RDWBC_TechDet._V197222098_.pdf

PDF of German spec sheet by HTC themselves. Look in the right column, 5th heading down. Micro SD.

Also on the official HTC uk website at bottom of the page you can but a MicroSD card for the HD7. If the phone did not have a storage card slot, why on earth would HTC themselves be selling a microSD card on their site?

http://www.htcaccessorystore.com/uk/p_htc_phone.aspx?i=204903

Two lots of proof!

Great!

However I still can't decide between this phone or Desire HD ( pulls out hair :( )
[HD7 General] Smokexz:
I honestly had a Vibrant for a week or two, and games need to be downloaded... so it would always save on the internal storage, I also took pictures and had music. I still had about, maybe 8 or 9 gigs left, which is plenty for games... One thing I hope happens is some emulators for WP7, however that is a bit off topic(or just a lot lol)
[HD7 General] xma1e:
I don't think there is and I can't see why everyone is jumping on the fact HTC are advertising memory cards in the accessories section, it's clear it's a typo! 2GB extra storage for the HD7? Something tells me that that is just a hangover from another area of the website.

Also, it seems common knowledge that the Samsung has an accessible slot, yet none of the videos show other phones with a slot?

we can wish all we want but it ain't gonna be happen*

*insert disclaimer here ;-)
[HD7 General] xma1e:
OK I invoke my disclaimer, but I still smell a rat. All the videos and pictures poping up and no one able to confirm what could be the hottest story since WP7 was released last week.

Considering Europeans are being short changed with less memory, I would have expected something more solid.

Thank god that the carriers in europe seem to be upping the memory to 16GB by default. If you by an unbranded HD7 in Europe chances are it will be 8GB only. I wonder how long it will be before HTC realise no one want such little memory?
[HD7 General] ckacey:
I hope this is true in TMoUSA spec, because my ZuneHD with the bare minimum of my stuff on it is sitting at a hair over 16GB, my HD2 is sitting at 10GB, if I can put in a 32gb card everything is well, especially with the HD video recording
[HD7 General] agp64:
This was posted by Sledgeman today.

I sent an email to HTC and asked about HD7 and Trophy regarding the possibillity to expand the memory, since they sell sd-card as accessories to those models, and i got this answer:

"Dear ********,

you cant use SD card in theese phones, they all have internal memory on 8 GB (europe) 16 GB (asia)

its a mistake on our website, it will be fixed very soon - thank you for your attention.

Sincerely,

**********

HTC"

Maybe the sd-slot is there but they don't officially support it? I guess we have to wait until someone can actually take a look at a device so we can get confirmation.
[HD7 General] mrmomoman:
Its been all over the board. I have a good feeling we can increase storage.
[HD7 General] newowner:
You sound like a stealth flamer to me, but I'll bite... If the apple is so good get it - why settle for less (WINMO). In addition the reviews I have seen say the HD7 display is not as good; clarity is not as good as the HD2. I have no doubt that people will try to optimize win7, people will find things they don't like, and people will customize their O/S.

Anyway not trying to get you pissed, but would like to know why you would settle for less - and on something that's not proven no less...
[HD7 General] wheresmybeaver:
Went out and bought my HD7 this morning here in Ireland. There is definitely no user-replaceable microSD card in there that I could find. If there is, it must only be accessible by dismantling the phone.

Despite this, the HD7 in the UK and Ireland has 16GB memory so that should do the trick for me.

Compared to my TD2 this is a fantastic phone.
[HD7 General] Teeceman:
I tend to agree with you here, why would they be advertising a 2GB microSD for the HD7 if you would have to replace the existing 16GB SD card.
[HD7 General] tboy2000:
See I was thinking along the lines of the phone having 16gb of INTERNAL storage so you could buy a 2gig card for example, bringing it up to 18gb.
[HD7 General] xma1e:
Brought my HD7 yesterday and checked, there is no user replacable storage that I could find and as I suspected the measly 2GB option on the website is a throw-over from somewhere else.

If you're in europe I would suggest you read your carriers specs before buying. Most carriers are offering 16gb so shouldn't be a problem, if you buy an unbranded version you'll likely only get 8gb

So far a really think the phone (including screen) are good, much better than my HD2 hardware.
[HD7 General] ecj123:
i think there is an sd card on it but it is hidden somewhere on the phone, I put the phone in bootloader mode and it said it had a sandisk sd card of 16gb on it.
[HD7 General] wheresmybeaver:
I will wait for somebody else to tear their phone apart before I go looking myself ;-) At least there seems to be an option for the future when 32GB cards are reasonably priced.
[HD7 General] elvador:
Someone should at least try open to see... because i have a 32gb card :-) and use every bit of it:...... plus this the only thing i need to know before i buy the htc 7.....
[HD7 General] ckacey:
As soon as someone posts the component pictures we'll know what's inside. If there is a card in there I'll be glad to open mine up, if there's a regular SD card in there.
[HD7 General] derekcranson:
To replace the battery half of the back of the case comes off.

Very gently the other half of the back of the case will come off the same way. Next to the sim card slot there is a micro sd card slot, with the card in it. However to remove the card it looks like all the screws will have to come out and then the plastic cover removed as the slot is set in it. See picture.
[HD7 General] Jonno2343:
Excellent! So it can be done :rolleyes:.

How much more of the phone will need to be taken apart for you to replace that card?
[HD7 General] ckacey:
excellent, I know what I'll be doing sometime around the 8th of November
[HD7 General] elvador:
So dereck ... the verdict is......... yes it can be done?.... and at what cost..?....
[HD7 General] tboy2000:
I wonder what size card is in the slot? I mean the phones are supposed to be 8 gig by default and if O2 bumped it up to 16 gig then there must be an 8 gig card inside. Therefore adding a 16 gig card will give us a total of 24 gigs.

OR......

There is no internal memory and the card in the slot is a 16 gig card so to extend the memory we need to add at least a 32 gig card.

Which of the above two scenarios do we think is true?
[HD7 General] manlisten:
I think it's the first one. 8 GB internal and that is an 8 GB SD card. Combining for 16 GB.
[HD7 General] Jonno2343:
The Guy who got it into bootloader mode said that it stated that the device had a SanDisk 16GB Card. So I would guess that it's one card that's been upgraded to 16GB. Of course I have no device to actually check it on so I could be wrong :).
[HD7 General] tim661:
If you look at the picture it looks like a '1' is showing on the card, indicating a 16GB card. It would be very interesting if someone would attempt to replace the card with a 32GB card, and post some instructions and pictures here as I am sure it can be done.
[HD7 General] derekcranson:
OK, I,ve now taken the ten screws out and the plastic bit just lifts off. I took the card out and it is a 16gb sd card.

I tried to read it but it comes up with please insert card so I'm not sure how it is formatted or what is on it.

One of the screws has a void sticker on it for the warranty.

I've put the phone back together and it still works.
[HD7 General] loomx:
any ideas what class the card was? any chance you could try putting in a regularly formatted SD card as well and see if the phone can recognize/format it?

If so I will be ordering a 32gb microsd because my HD7 turns up tomorrow!
[HD7 General] digime:
You need to put the new card in and then do a hard reset.

More info here on the Windows Phone Secrets page.
[HD7 General] ptit_biscuit:
Are you test with another microsd ??
[HD7 General] derekcranson:
I' ve put in a fat 32 formatted 8gb card. Tried to download an app to it and error message saying oops! you've reached the storage limit.

All the settings I made with this card in are not saved and the time doesn't show on the front.

We need to know how the card is formatted and then it should be replaceable.

(Original card is class 0)
[HD7 General] MonteCristoffOn:
Hi dereck,

I think you should do a little hard reset so that it format your 8 Gb properly...

:cool:
[HD7 General] tboy2000:
Yes definately put in the card and perform a hard reset so the phone can merge all the memory allocation together. Please report back :)
[HD7 General] derekcranson:
OK done it

Hard reset formats the card so that the phone recognises it and zune also sees it and shows used and empty space.

Should work on a 32gb card but I'm going to wait until a hdsl comes out so that I can change the rom to access the card and see if the apps from previous phones will work. Will probably need a new kitchen aswell as the layout of this rom is different.
[HD7 General] MonteCristoffOn:
Great news

Many thanks dereck for this confirmation ;)

You should open a new "How to" (upgrade your HD7!) thread with all steps to be done (with pictures!)

Cheers,

:cool:
[HD7 General] digime:
What class card did you try and did you notice any difference in performance?
[HD7 General] tboy2000:
Did you remove or damage any Void stickers when getting access to the SD card and is it easy to take the cover off to get access to the card?
[HD7 General] krjcook:
I had a feeling someone could just do a little modding and easily remove that SD card. This was the deciding factor between the Omnia 7, HD7, and Dell Venue Pro. I think this just helped me make my choice
[HD7 General] tim661:
Ok, I have now replaced the class 4 16GB card, with a class 2 32gb card. Hard reset and everything works fine. Storage now shows 29GB. I haven't noticed any significant performance issues. It was really easy to do.
[HD7 General] digime:
But you had to go through a 'void' sticker, right?
[HD7 General] tim661:
Yes, but thats the risk you take, I have owned several HTC devices over the years and never had a warranty issue, so I'm happy with that.
[HD7 General] digime:
Great to know you can do it. Thanks.

Now I just need an Omnia 7 owner with enough bottle to try the same so that I can finally make a decision.
[HD7 General] tboy2000:
How easy is it to remove the back plate to get access to the sd card? Any special tools required?
[HD7 General] derekcranson:
If you take off the cover to access the battery you can see 8 of the 10 screws that have to be removed. The other 2 are under the smaller back cover. The sd card is in a normal sd card slot with a bit of tape over the end. take the card out like you would a card from any other phone (i.e. push down and it pops up). one of the screws has a void sticker on it.
[HD7 General] tboy2000:
Thanks for that. Ok so is there no way to prise one edge of the void sticker with a fine blade and peel it off?
[HD7 General] Bman:
Strange that the sd card slot is behind a void sticker.

Sure "they" (Ms HTC) know that it would not take long for xda to discover the slot.

Even stranger that we can only purchase 8 or 16 GB devices.
[HD7 General] brytonic:
Got to have a reason to buy 16 and 32 GB devices next year. 8)

Nice find guys!
[HD7 General] tboy2000:
Just another question please. Can anyone confirm the class speed of the default 16gig micro sd card that comes with the phone? 2, 4, 6?
[HD7 General] derekcranson:
Mine is class 0

The void sticker is the size of a screw head and is countersunk. You can see it in the photo I took earlier. (Post 46 in this thread)
[HD7 General] godfa7h3r:
Can you report back if you've seen any changes in performance by switching to a class 2 card?

According to Wikipedia:

"Class 0 - These cards do not specify performance, which includes all legacy cards prior to class specifications."

I don't know whether to consider that a good thing or bad thing?
[HD7 General] diablos991:
This is very good to hear. It would be great if somebody would test load times between separate classes.

Example: load harvest on stock card, and load harvest on a class 6 or 10 card.
[HD7 General] Necroman_AI:
I really really would like to know if Samsung Omnia 7, LG Optimus 7 and HTC 7 Mozart all have MicroSD card slot easily accessible like the HD7, because they are my favorite!

Hope someone can test this!

Also, shouldn't we make some complains to the manufacturers? Why aren't they all keeping the MicroSD card accessible like the Samsung Focus and Dell Venue Pro, and are choosing to hide it?! They always have to suck all our money...
[HD7 General] silverkiller:
So does the phone have built in storage? or is it all on the card?

i.e the OS is stored on the sd card?
[HD7 General] Cablekevin:
Sorry, wrong topic!
[HD7 General] Milky1:
Did you damage the lower back cover when getting it off? someone else reported that when taking it off it damages the back cover a little to remove it.
[HD7 General] ecj123:
the OS should be on the phones ROM which is 512MB
[HD7 General] digime:
People should note the new information here:

http://windowsphonesecrets.com/2010/10/29/microsoft-speaks-on-micro-sd-and-windows-phone-storage-expansion/

It confirms the upgrade procedure is supported but only by the vendor/manufacturer. Not that I'd expect much support after taking my phone apart!

I'm not sure how much I buy the reliability issue they cite. Obviously they have tried to make the new system as easy to use and reliable as possible - "always delightful".

I'd guess the chances of a card not being up to it are less than they imply but, as it's possible to mess a phone up with a dodgy card, they wanted to take that possibility out of the equation.