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[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
No, you just have different standards than I do :) Most of those widgets look terrible, perform terribly, or waste too many resources.

Fancy Widgets looks good, but its performance is terrible, for example. Basiclly extends the boot up time of my phone by 15-30 seconds and has a process running in the background draining battery.

Pure Calendar Widget and GTasks both look like ass. I don't need many widgets, just a few decent ones for some key things. Google should make a Google Tasks app, though, and implement recurring Tasks...

As far as the 15 minute refund policy, it will cut into the profits of many app developers, I'm sure.

Because when you are evaluating apps like Moxier Mail, QuickOffice, etc. that cost $25 but don't offer a trial version (or only Feature Limited Trial versions)... You immediately realize that 15 minutes will never be enough (24 hours was already cutting it close) to evaluate the application.

Yes, it's good for developers who make useless games that are completed in one day, or Comic Books. It sucks for anything but the most trivial apps that people use to get stuff done, though...

But like I said. That is part of the reason why I'm thinking of dumping smartphones altogether and just stick with Dumbphone (or VoIP) + Laptop + 3G/LTE USB Stick.
[Windows Phone 7 General] hidden_hunter:
how do you figure 'hardly usable' does everything I need it to
[Windows Phone 7 General] vbetts:
My PC also has 3 cores running at 3.6 ghz with 4gb of ddr2 memory.
[Windows Phone 7 General] zukа:
Just reading through some issues with the HTC Legend froyo update, even if I did get it it looks like it could possibly disable my wifi, actually decrease my reception and slow my phone down.

If I go back to Android (which I might do in future, i'm not monotheistic) I'm gonna get a dev phone, because then you know the updates will a) be timely and b) work. Hopefully, that should be the case with wp7 updates, but i'm ready to eat my words if that doesnt happen
[Windows Phone 7 General] jcX4ever:
I just bought my HD7 Today.

Yippeee!!

OBSERVATIONS:

HD7 screen looks washed out.. Is there any way to adjust the color?

It seems that the G2 has a wider viewing angle. It could be the "Super" screen thing.

HD video seem to be more fluid on the WP7 but quality looks like non-HD.

I like the dual flash.

480x800 is not really good on a 4.3 inch screen. I can see the space between pixels. (yes I am superman)

Netflix is a plus. Love it.

Lacks Taskbar. I can't see other apps that are running.

Slacker app background music dies when I go to HOME.

Needs status bar. I have to go to setting just to check if I am using WiFi.

Internet Explorer loads with blurry fonts then sharpens it. I never notice this on my G2.

I went to speedtest.net and can't do anything coz I need 'flash'

Why no native/pre-installed YouTube app. I DLed the HTC one.

Maps seem to be faster than the Lastweeks Google map. But way outclassed by the new Google Map 5.0 that uses vectors.

RECAP!

WP7 is still in its infancy so it's not fair comparing it to Android.

Android Strength? .. Honestly, it's just too many to mention.

I will keep on using the HD7 until I will get use to it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Lol I had the same thought because of some frustrations I encounter regarding the whole market.... :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] The Gate Keeper:
my responses to your post jcX4ever, just to hopefully help you out a bit...

hopefully this helps.
[Windows Phone 7 General] zukа:
Also, try mobile.speedtest.net, I believe I used that for iPhone + Android
[Windows Phone 7 General] tomhierl:
Then buying a dumbphone might have been a better idea, you could've saved lots of money.

Concerning Android's smoothness, just get a Nexus phone and install MIUI, it's perfectly smooth (+ has the best media player of any phone today).

(I'm saying Nexus because it officially supports custom ROMs, but of course you can install a custom ROM on other phones as well).

I was talking about on demand Flash for smoothness in the browser (and no ads), but of course you didn't understand anything - once again.

Yes, all of them except in the USA. Of course you didn't know that. You never know anything.

WP7 can only be compared against Android 2.3 and yes, this is a fair comparison. There are unlocked Google phones for everyone who always wants the newest version, so "fragmentation" is not an argument at all. You just buy the right phone, it's that simple. Does Microsoft sell officially unlocked/jailbroken developer phones to everyone? No.

Also, WP7's "infancy" is not an argmument at all.

Android is being developed much faster, so the gap will become even bigger as Microsoft takes years to deliver basic updates. The systems can only be compared in the state they're in.

N8ter, it's hard to believe that you own an Android phone when you don't even know Android has

- a Youtube app

- full Flash

- the best voice guided navigation

- better Exchange support

- media syncing with lots of players, even wireless

- better office apps than Office Mobile

etc.

Wrong, again (like always). ARM hardware is very standardized, hardware acceleration is no problem. 2.3 is accelerated and 2.4 will be as smooth as anything else - that's early next year, where will Microsoft be then? When will Microsoft have all the features when something as simple as copy&paste takes them half a year and multitasking/HTML5 almost a full year?

Both Microsoft and Apple sell ads.

Apple has been collecting iPhone user location data for years without the users' knowledge. They only recently admitted that.

I trust Google a lot more than Apple. I also trust Microsoft, but not more than Google.

All of them sell ads and all of them collect data.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Skex:
It took 2 years for Android to be made into an actual usable phone OS. And I'm glad that it exists. Competition is good for the market and it provides a platform for the tinkerers.

But it's strength are also a weakness. The fragmentation of the platform while providing lots of choices also makes support a *****. That's part of why WP7 can provide better performance on lesser hardware. Android needs over powered hardware to match WP7 performance because it doesn't hardware accelerate video.

What it really comes down to is that Android is a better OS for people who want to tinker with their phones. Who want to spend hours on end researching roms and hunting down apps and widgets to make it into just the phone they want.

WP7 on the other hand is better for people who simply want a phone that works. It's limited customization is sufficient for most peoples needs. People like my wife can pick it up and figure out how to work it with minimal effort.

I refuse to use an Apple product. I hate their business model I hate everything about the company. So it was android or WP7, After how much *****ing I had to put up with about WM6.5 from my wife Android really wasn't an attractive option because when you really get down to it android's just WM7 minus integrated office/exchange support.

It suffers every disadvantage from an end user standpoint, Fragmentation, lack of hardware video acceleration, spotty driver support. lack of UI consistency, and in the end no small amount of information overload.

WP7 just works, out of the box for most users. You can talk all you want about 300,000 apps but really how much does someone really need their phone to do?

WM7 will satisfy most users needs perfectly fine with 0 customization, it will satisfy majority of the rest with what level of customization it has available. Those 10% or so who just must personalize their phones or love tinkering have the Android.

TL:DR Android is for tinkerers, WP7 is for everyone else.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tomhierl:
That's nonsense. Why do you guys not inform yourself before you post all that nonsense?

Of course Android has video acceleration, for much more than WP7 even. And of course Android has built in Exchange support - better Exchange support than WM even.

Seriously. Get a freakin clue before you post.

Android "simply works". You don't need to jailbreak, hack it or anything. You take your Android phone out of the box and it simply "does", it's easy to use, it's got the features and it's fast.

Android is for the people who want a phone that simply "does" what they need. Android just works out of the box. You don't have to do anything, it just does what it needs to do, fast and easy.

WP7 does not work out of the box. You can't view your files on it, you can't listen to radio in the background etc etc etc.

WP7 needs to be jailbroken and hacked in order to work, because it lacks very basic functionality.

You can tinker with Android, but you don't have to, because for 99% of the users, it simply works out of the box.

With WP7, you have to tinker, because otherwise lots of the basic stuff everyone needs doesn't work.

The sales numbers tell a very different story. People were satisfied with dumbphones four years ago, but today, they want a lot more than WP7 provides.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tone_:
Yes you can, I did exactly this earlier today.

No such thing.

Seriously. Get a freakin clue before you post.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tomhierl:
So you're saying I can copy/sync any file to my WP7 phone and read/play it there without jailbreaking or emailing it to myself or other stupid workarounds?

I can have a third party music app play in the background?

Or what about something as simple as playing an HTML5 or Flash video on the web?

Downloading a file with one app and opening it with another?

Set up two Exchange accounts?

Easily sync back the office documents I edited on the phone to my PC?

No? Well, then I'm obviously right. You need to jailbreak and tinker with WP7 in order to make it useful.

Android? It just works.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tone_:
That is not what you originally said, you are trying to re-word you post so you don't look stupid - it won't work.

You said the radio cannot play in the background, it does by default.

You said a jailbroken windows phone - there is no such think, you can only jailbrake ios.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tomhierl:
You know exactly what I originally meant. Sorry, nobody can possibly be that stupid. Don't pretend you are.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tone_:
So does the radio play in the background or not?
[Windows Phone 7 General] sketchy9:
You know when I gave up on Android? When I had a party at my place and was expecting a bunch of calls from people to get buzzed up, and I started getting emails and fb messages from my friends saying my phone wasn't working. Lo and behold, I see a "the process com.android phone has stopped unexpectedly. Please try again." WTF?!?! And this was on a brand new, non-rooted Droid Incredible on Verizon with no third-party apps, i.e. a solid phone that should work out of the box. If WP7 can avoid a similar error (and so far it has), then it wins in my book.

-R
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Truth of the matter is WP7 is going to hit the same brick wall IOS has. The software is designed for one type of hardware only.

So one of two things will happen for the mango update next year. New phones with new hardware, thus making the current phones now lag bad as hell and irrelevant. OR new phones with the exact same hardware thus pushing WP7 even farther behind the competition.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jcX4ever:
Tnx!

Hey thanks. That helped a lot.

It's my second day playing with my WP7. I just registered it as a dev phone and I can finally upload my apps from MVS2010.
[Windows Phone 7 General] emigrating:
Why would you want to sync any file to you device? Music/Video goes thru Zune and works a treat. Office documents thru any Sharepoint server also works great. What more could you want? Text files? Use OneNote instead - automatically syncs between all your computers/online/mobile. If you're talking about using the phone as a mass storage device - yes, you're out of luck, but really? Your phone? Use a USB key or skydrive instead.

Yes, you can have a third party app play music in the background - not sure if there are any utilizing this yet, but you can. I'm fairly certain Spotify will do this - and this "limitation" only applies to streaming services as the integrated player will do all music stored on the phone.

HTML5/Flash - I agree. We need to get this on WP7 as soon as possible. That said, it's only HTML5 that is Microsoft's problem. Flash is up to Adobe to work out - and they are working on it.

Two exchange accounts is not a problem. Neither is three, five or ten should you be so inclined. For the vast majority of people though, one will do just fine.

In most cases there is no need accessing a file downloaded in App A from App B - however, I do agree. A "shared" folder is something that should be implemented sooner rather than later. Perhaps even just a way for applications to register a filetype would work.

Syncing office documents - yes, it's easy. OneNote automatically syncs between all your selected devices (computers and phones). Word, Excel and so on syncs just fine using Sharepoint. Thing is, using the cloud (ie. sharepoint/skydrive/etc) is much more efficient than manually syncing files over using the phone as a mass storage device.

Finally though, you are completely wrong - there is no tinkering with WP7. Heck, you cannot even tinker with it at this point in time. Things just work. Those that don't wont suddenly start working because you've rooted/jailbreaked/callitwhatchawant your phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] The Gate Keeper:
It's probably true that the hardware will get upgraded, but even coming from MS who are stating that WP8 will be late 2012, I see them trying to support their current crop even through then, so you'll get at least 3 years out of your phone which is fine. the issue you're talking about is from the 3G to iOS 4 (sorry i don't know the gap here) which did brick the phone.

i think in time we shall see how MS handles it. hopefully they have a minimum benchmark which all apps must run on well (ie WP7 hardware) even if the hardware improves, that just means better performing apps, but it should still work well enough for WP7 people.
[Windows Phone 7 General] zukа:
yeah it was three years between the release of the iphone 3g and ios 4. i was on the recieving end of that particular nastiness, and there was no way to roll back the firmware. as long as ms offers that i will be satisfied
[Windows Phone 7 General] gordec:
I went from IOS4 -> Samsung Captivate 2.2 Froyo leak -> LG Quantum.

I love customizing things. I jailbroke Iphone, rooted Captivate. Exploited all the phones to the maximum. I think in the end after about 2 weeks of honey moon period. You just wanna a phone that is smooth, fast, reliable. Windows phone 7 and IOS4 are similar in that nature. I think WP7 has a much slicker interface than IOS4, I really got tired of icon tiles after 1 year which I guess may happen to WP7 too. But in terms of apps, you just can't beat Android and IOS for now. I miss my medical apps, my google calendar labels sync, and few other things.

Android is open platform so OS update is so variable from brand to brand that kind of got me annoyed.

But for most of us what we end up using most is phone and messaging and browser, and I say WP7 is the best I have used in the sense that the interface is super slick and fluid.

I think each system has its pros and cons. In the end it's what you enjoy. For me now I'm gonna stick with WP7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] zukа:
From the engadget Nexus S review:
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Well I can say I have comparison now.

I was playing with my X10 on Android for few weeks.

Today bought my LG Swift/Optimus 7.

So I have 3 OSes next to me: WM6.5.3, WP7, Android.

And?

Well I'm selling my X10.

Next to my WP7 - I can't stand Android UI really. It's just too much.

My main device will be still WM 6.5.3, featuring almost everything I need!

But playing one day with WP7 makes me love it. I would like to stay, only with more features. UI is brilliant.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
This would be partly true IF there were only a small change in chips. WP7 is programmed specifically for one kind of chip, any change could be detrimental to the OS, and prolong updates. As stated a long time ago the current WP7 has already been pushed to its limits. I suspect new phones will have the exact same hardware until the mango update.

Then we will see the start of fragmentation, controlled fragmentation though. Either way if MS wants to stay competitive they must ditch current hardware, or else get left behind by the competition.

Your thoughts on this?
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
http://social.technet.microsoft.com...hange-activesync-client-comparison-table.aspx

Android does not have better Exchange support than Windows Mobile, Nokia, iOS, or Windows Phone 7 - especially when you factor in support across exchange versions (2003.2, 2007, and 2010).

The Wikipedia comparison table concurs with the one linked above...

Android's Exchange support is probably years behind the competition. TouchDown is decent, but it's also missing support for a lot of policies.

I have more faith in Microsoft inproving their Exchange functionality in WP7 fast than Google, who are still inadequate after years of development... They just got remote Wipe in FroYo, and that's a pretty elementary policy to support.

tomhierl (or however you spell it), you should just give up. You clearly have no clue what you're talking about. I do admire your vicious attempt at defending your beloved Beta 2-level platform, though.

P.S. You keep forgetting I'm actually using an Android phone right now, and had an HD2, and use Exchange for work - who banned Android phones because too many devices cannot be remove wiped/locked if lost or stolen, among other things.
[Windows Phone 7 General] The Gate Keeper:
i do agree with you there. though i did hear that the texas company (or whatever it is) was in talks with MS to get their chips into WPs as well. If MS opens it up a bit more in terms of allowing more hardware, I think that only particular driver the hardware for that device should be loaded onto the phone and the drivers should come from microsoft themself, to make sure it's optimised for it all. having generic drivers will result in the same load sluggishness as desktops. its very impressive the current load time for WP7.

though i do not believe MS have pushed the limits of the snapdragon. in saying that, everything was given as minimum specs. but yes, i definitely agree with you that MS needs to update hardware to keep up to date and a head. Introduce new features that are not even around now, things like that mobile 3D gesturing technology they just acquired.

It's good that you and I can definitely debate on this with a civil manner. Thanks for continually encouraging the conversation, but allowing for the open mindset, which I try to as well. Unlike some other on this forum...
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
If you mean Texas Instruments, then Microsoft will probably get them in, eventually.

I think Microsoft's stance "we will write the drivers" is what is keeping it all under check, and it's going to help the platform going forward.

As long as the phone specs are respectable and the OS performs great (and it does), I can give two ****s what hardware is in it.

But using expensive hardware that will drive prices up simply because it's "newer" or "better" doesn't make sense.

To think that Microsoft will not update hardware (they can only add drivers for more current hardware, it's up to the OEMs to upgrade hardware, and there really isn't much incentive for doing that with WP7 due to the way the OS performs on last-gen hardware... it's a waste of money and the OEMs will probably end up selling less units due to price increases...) is stretching it a bit...
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tone_:
What exactly does that mean?
[Windows Phone 7 General] The Gate Keeper:
this was the article i was referring to: http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/texas-instruments-wants-omap-inside-windows-phone-7
[Windows Phone 7 General] tomhierl:
True. I have a feeling that iOS is even more scalable than WP7.

(Android is of course the most scalable and compatible, thus the one with the fastest innovation)

Cause the only files in the world are music/video, right??

And of course everyone owns a Sharepoint server. That's actually a great example of how Android "just works" and WP7 needs complicated workarounds like a Sharepoint server or emailing files to oneself.

Android always "just works", fast and easy, right out of the box. WP7 always needs complicated workarounds and/or hacks/jailbreaking in order to work properly.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
1. yes ARM is very standardized, but they all use different gpu's, you know that part that should be handleing the graphics on the phone.... This makes it harder for google to control hardware acceleration and have left it to the oem's who could care less as long as the device sells.

2. You keep bringing up flash on android like it's a standard feature and yet it's not offered on a single usa galaxy s device and they've had to pull updates on both samsung and htc phones because of them getting bricked in the update process.

You have a vibrant right??? That means if your phone is stock:

1. It lags with scrolling and trying to jump from menu to menu or from screen to screen

2. It does not have full flash support, so quit trying to sound like all android devices are running 2.3, when most have only recently (last few months), gotten 2.1 and probably less than 50% have 2.2.

If android simply worked, then there wouldn't be so many "fix it" apps in the marketplace for different devices.

I think your definition of "works out of the box", is completely different than any normal user.

1. What files do you need that you can't copy? Are they actual files the phone can use?

2. Once again, zune is better than any 3rd party music app on any platform, incorporating your catalog on your phone, fm radio, streaming music, podcasts, and video. Why would I need a 3rd party solution for this?

3. Give one example that is a valid use for this...

4. Pretty sure you can set up as many exchange accounts as needed. This isn't active sync.

5. Only partially valid point. Besides emailing it (which takes about 2 seconds on the phone), you would have to use sharepoint or skydrive. How about for android? How do you sync your Microsoft Office docs with it?

No way. Android and the nexus line of phones is perfect, just ask tomwierl.

give it a chance, it does grow on you. For me, I don't use my phone for work so its more my personal play toy and it works better than my hd2 for that. I understand some of the business side needs improvement, but MS has already stated that is the priority going forward.

I'm not so sure on this. It could be as simple as having the correct drivers for the hardware.

IOS worked backwards very well until this latest update and then 3g owners finally got left behind some.

I can see this not being a problem for a couple of years. It's not like we are jumping from a 400mhz proc to a 1ghz proc. 1ghz to 1.2ghz dual core shouldn't be that big of a deal, as long as MS is smart about multitasking.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
That's what I do. I want to see what will be next. The promise is great.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tomhierl:
The sales numbers clearly tell a different story.

My definition of "just works" is the one most people have.

Btw. NOTHING is perfect, but it's easy to say which is the best.
[Windows Phone 7 General] SiL3nTKiLL:
android ftw :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Skex:
Now this is just horse****. MS not Apple is the one with decades of experience scaling their software to work on multiple platforms. Apple has generally be limited to one processor architecture per OS.

Whether talking about their original RISC or their more recent Intel offerings. You don't see Apple OS running on AMD or Cyrix or any other processors.