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[G2 and Desire Z General] ChazzMichaelMichaels:
I'm confused as to why T-Mobile enabled tethering on the G2 via an OTA update if it sounds like it's going to come down to unnecessary fees. I have no doubt that people will find a way around it, but it seems like a tremendous slap in the face from a company who pioneered the operating system that provides tethering as native functionality.

All I can say is, if it bothers you, vote with your feet. T-Mobile is the smallest "big" fish in the sea right now and, relatively speaking, has more to lose by losing customers.

Thanks to the OP for posing the info. Also, thanks to the OP for my future signature:

Sorry dude, I can't help myself :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] HamNCheese:
Well, for one, they would have to run the update to know that it actually worked or not. So...enable functionality for a handful of users, then disable it when they have a way to charge us for it...

Oh, and if Google really had any balls, they would require that built-in functionality cannot be disabled in order to license android as an OEM. This puts the handset manufacturers in a difficult position - Google pulling one way, carriers the other. In the end, we win.
[G2 and Desire Z General] ChazzMichaelMichaels:
That's ok, once all phones become IP based an Google monopolizes the phone industry by leveraging all the fiber it owns we'll have bare bones Android phones for everyone :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] HamNCheese:
There's nothing stopping them now. Every android device out there is capable of running a SIP client.
[G2 and Desire Z General] flarbear:
Except that they aren't limiting the amount of data. You just get the data slower after a certain amount. Did they ever make any promises as to how fast your unlimited data would come to you?
[G2 and Desire Z General] Smokexz:
I asked a T-Mobile employee, he said within 30 days we will have the 5gig cap and throttle then soon there will be tethering plans, :(
[G2 and Desire Z General] bsnelson:
All of this packet inspection talk is nice, but consider my main tethering application: VPN to my office. Once the packets are all encrypted, they can't tell squat about what the content is. Since VPN capability is built into the phone, they can't even infer that VPN usage implies tether (if they could even figure out that VPN was happening).

Those who talk about "it's my 5GB, let me use it the way I want": it's not that simple. :) It's always going to be easier to consume bits via tethering than with the phone. Even if you did bandwidth intensive work on the phone, there's just so much you can do. With a PC attached, you'll have some people that'll be doing file sharing, Netflix, VOD at HD resolution etc. T-Mobile probably came up with that 5GB number based on some low number of their subscribers actually hitting it, and the average being much less. Put tether in the mix, and the average will almost certainly go up, and bandwidth isn't free. Unlike copper and fiber, you can't just run some more lines into the air. They're trying to find a way to manage their finite resources as best they can, and maintain a good level of service to their subscribers. Tethering affects this balance in an adverse way, period.

Brad
[G2 and Desire Z General] mingkee:
I don't know how many times T-Mobile made such mistake to drive customers away.

In 2005 before SDA and MDA introduced, T-Mobile added "starbucks wifi" and rename T-Mobile Internet to Total Internet and increased the price to ($20-$30 with voice; $30-$50 without).

In 2009, T-Mobile removed tethering support and introduced $60/5GB with overage sucky webconnect. Hey, what do you have to attract customers?

ATT and VZW, even Sprint, have more 3G native coverage.

And guess what? T-Mobile realized the error and correct them.

In September 2007, T-Mobile reduced the price of Total Internet down to $20 with voice.

In April 2010, T-Mobile replaced sucky webconnect with $40/$50 5GB semi-unlimited webconnect no-overage plan.

I don't know when T-Mobile will learn "Get More for Life" are keys to attract customers besides CS and reliable network from the past mistake.
[G2 and Desire Z General] -RotorDemon-:
I pay for "Unlimited" not *Unlimited as per my contract states.

Throttle or cut me and I leave.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Roachie:
Going back a step instead of moving forwards... good job t-mobile... good job...
[G2 and Desire Z General] Talesin_BatBat:
Given that I went over the 10GB cap on the first month of my service just listening to streaming music (albeit a large portion of the day) on my G1, getting cut to 5GB is unpleasant. Especially given the wifi reception issues when touching the top of the G2 (or the left with the keyboard open), which tends to drop 20-30 dBm off the signal instantly... but not the 3G reception. Especially annoying given that there was no way to buy another 10GB, just got to live with EDGE speeds for a week.. quite a bit slower than dialup, even.

And I don't consider a good ~8 hours a day of Pandora (along with normal background email syncs) every day as being a 'data hog'. TMo is just seeing how much their customers will TAKE being cut down, to fatten their execs' pockets.

Also, if you study statistics, ANY amount can be written off as an outlier for the purposes you're looking at. Anyone over 1GB/mo could be an 'outlier', even if the vast majority use 3-4GB/mo. Or anyone with a smartphone could be an 'outlier'... puts it in perspective if the data cap is being set by normal 'dumb' phones.
[G2 and Desire Z General] izzyskywalker:
I personally don't get why people are so bent out of shape. I have my phone for certain things, I have a computer for certain things. There is some degree of crossover, but not 5 GB worth. Maybe its my lifestyle, but I can't possibly imagine having so much downtime, away from a computer with internet service that I will consistently exceed 5 GB. Even when travelling, free wifi is everywhere.

Don't people work anymore?
[G2 and Desire Z General] SeReaction:
Let's see here:

Verizon is still having the "Unlimited" Data buffet, but will start offering buckets of data for different tiers and plans are not cheap. In fact they're expensive.

T-Mobile has an Unlimited Data buffet but with a throttling to EDGE past 5GB (thus still unlimited) with an avg of 25KB/s throttling speeds.

AT&T now has a 2GB limit and will charge if gone over.

Sprint has an Unlimited Data Buffet, but to have WiiMax capabilities you will have a $10 premium that is not optional.

...

Meh.

I don't think T-Mobile's the only naughty one here to which I honestly feel like this whole deal on just Tmo is blown out of proportion. If you're going to rant on Tmo, please know where it all came from *cough*AT&T*cough* and the others that will follow.

Airwaves are a limited resource, the more signals going around, the worse it gets across a particular spectrum.

To be honest, for the speeds I get from using Tmo and the fact I tether, use dropbox, watch videos, play Reckless Racing with my 9 other android friends etc etc etc... 5GBs is enough for me and if I need beyond that, EDGE is fine for mobile surfing, emails, IMs, etc.

Regardless, I never viewed mobile internet to be used heavily. If you tether, why not use Opera and turn on turbo? Are those high quality images really necessary? What exactly are you guys doing when you tether?
[G2 and Desire Z General] funkeee:
Sure there is. It's called tethering. It's then your bandwidth to use as you would like, whether it's music or legitimate tethering. I know it sucks too, but encrypted VPN seems like the way to go. 5gb cap is weak... will they waive the early termination fee? Never.
[G2 and Desire Z General] flskgrd:
hey they just figure got to make more money for that stock holder. same as to adjust pic resolution htc tell me tmobile set the low and when locked root can not change

sounds like mircosoft and att to me :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] InkBlot14:
As far as "how can they tell if we're tethering?" goes, I have a question for folks who have experience with T-Mobile's other android phones (beyond the G2). Do all of T-Mobile's Android devices come with that "My Account/My Device" app built in? It's on my G2, runs in the background most all of the time - could that be use to snoop for tethering settings or apps?
[G2 and Desire Z General] SynOfDreams:
From what I was told by a T Mobile rep, the 15 dollar a month tethering plan will be going into effect, however they are also releasing a Android Data Preferred unlimited plan, which is only 20 dollars a month instead of the current 30. This means that a android device with unlimited data and tethering will cost 35 a month. Thats cheaper then most other carriers (if not all) and is still unlimited (although throttled after 5 Gb which most here will never use that much data anyways).

As far as how they will know. Unless they have some sort of spyware app they add to the phone, the simple answer is they can only tell if you are tethering when you use their tethering app. If you have root with visionary and the wireless tether app they will not know a difference. It will just look like normal data from your phone. Only thing I can think would possible let them know without spy ware is if your doing something stupid like trying to play WoW through your phones tether (the latency makes this a stupid idea), or if T Mobile has browser header identification set up on the entire network to inspect every packet that passes through their routers (very expensive and very un-likely).

Long story short, the tethering for 15 bucks a month after the data being dropped to 20 a month really isn't that bad, but if you have been tethering with root already have nothing to worry about in the first place.
[G2 and Desire Z General] wayde187:
Just root your phone and do it for free.
[G2 and Desire Z General] larryccf:
unless someone is an extremely heavy user (music, video, file sharing) i don't it as an issue. I've been watching my data download on my acct at Tmo's web since Nov 2009, and using my phone to tether to my laptop to surf the web generally 7 nights a week, 4-6 hours per night, and except for two months where i was downloading a lot of video, i never busted 5 gb - usually 3-4 GB

the two months i was downloading video, i hit 6.1 & 6.4 GB
[G2 and Desire Z General] kgold708:
Umm I just got the OTA wirless tether going and there weren't any terms or anything about costing extra so how are they going to charge me for this?
[G2 and Desire Z General] krayshunist:
Early and often, I'd imagine. This useful product should help make it a little easier.
[G2 and Desire Z General] kgold708:
OK that was funny! But seriously the tether option just magically appeared in the settings, I don't pay extra for ANYTHING that appears in the stock android settings menu, there is a warning when you enable data roaming. Nope, I think this was a part of the radio update, like maybe they wanted to make sure it would work ok so they waited for a proper radio image.
[G2 and Desire Z General] krayshunist:
In this case it kind of depends on the tethering app. If it's completely stock Android, they can't tell if you're using it without looking in detail at every packet you send from your phone. If, however, they have the app tell them when you're using, then they could potentially charge you, but unless I'm mistaken this would mean a change in contract terms. In that case, I would advise you to cancel the current contract without the ETF, sign up for their no-contract plan and keep the G2. Once it's rooted, tethering will be free again. If not, you can probably pay for tethering with the monthly plan savings.
[G2 and Desire Z General] david_rowe:
Is its possible to extend/bipass the 5gig soft cap?
[G2 and Desire Z General] tep065:
check this thread in the dev forum

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=863923
[Captivate General] clivo360:
I'm a vibrant owner with a simple question: How noticeable is the speed increase from the leaked froyo build over 2.1?
[Captivate General] kennethpenn:
I'm finding day to day tasks to be slower... JI6 isn't a final build.

That may be because I'm so used to Voodoo on the 2.1 builds, though.
[Captivate General] RexEscape:
To answer your question directly, it'll be slow (if you'll be using the leaked Froyo). However, the Cognition v2.2 beta 6 (a well-cooked ROM on Froyo) is faster than the leaked Froyo. It's just done right.
[Captivate General] boborone:
Can't find it now, but pocket now did a video with a bench of stock 2.1, leaked 2.2, cog 2.2, lag fix, and g2 on stock 2.2. Said leaked and cog got bout the same, 900. Lagfix doubled it to 1800.

Normally not a fan of pn's android vids, but this one was done by the guy who knows what he's talking about. I know not to use quadrant as a standard on our phones, and so does he. He just does em cause everybody wants to see it.

From a phone on an app
[Captivate General] kylegeisler:
Gotta agree! It seems real stable and very fast.

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[Captivate General] cliffgardner:
I'm running cognition 2.2 beta 7 and it is much smoother than the stock 2.1 but I never used the lagfix.
[Captivate General] neo_31591:
same here....its much better,faster and snappier!!
[Captivate General] n7slc:
I was running stock 2.1 and recently updated to Cog 2.2B7 and WOW! What an amazing difference. It's so fast and smooth...I haven't found anything on it yet that would cause me to go back to 2.1.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] TheIncredibleJ:
developer. htc. com/

Just noticed this on AndroidCentral. Apologies if posted already. Steps toward new sense
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Berzerker7:
Just to clear this up, this is the kernel source.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] jdkoreclipse:
Good to know,. Although this literally has nothing to do with us

Edit; quoted wrong person, but you get the point.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Berzerker7:
Maybe he was informing people who are trying to port the Z ROM to the Incredible?
[Droid Incredible Android Development] jdkoreclipse:
I'm trying.... I know a kernel source is near useless for us, but great news to hear of progress.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] TheIncredibleJ:
That is exactly why I posted it. The name Incdoes ring any bells? How about Ihtfp or his incorporation of new sense in to skyraider? Sorry jdk, not everyone is all about jdkevolution or blackhawk, or whatever your daily created rom is.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] jbh00jh:
+1
[Droid Incredible Android Development] ncwildcat:
Thanks - anytime a source is posted is good. It may not be for the Inc, but there may be things in the code that a dev reads and says "Wow, I didn't think of that".

JD, you have been back from ban for only a few days, but drama still follows you
[Droid Incredible Android Development] gonzoguy24:
Jdk it is useless for someone like you who does not know what to do with it but the others may use it to get the camera working in the desire hd port. Hahah
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Berzerker7:
You're trying?

Advice: Stop trying.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] TheIncredibleJ:
I'm sure he's bitter over me calling him out in the past so he had to use his "community standing" and post count belittle me. My post count is miniscule for a reason. If I don't know something, I research. If I don't have something to contribute, I keep quiet. I don't pretend to know things when I don't. So jdk quit acting like the 12 year old we all know you are, and start acting like the 23 year old college student you pretend to be. I posted Z code with good intentions and not just to see myself speak. I have seen nothing but improved development when code is released. Look at kernels we all use by posters on xda. They are all updated with latest code from htc, and thus we reap stability and functionality benefits. Willing to bet the devs here utilize something from that code, and do it before official new sense comes to us.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] jdkoreclipse:
I was man enough to pm you and admit i was wrong...but im sorry, and i will edit all my posts.

Lets let this go...last thing the forums need is bitterness..

SO good find with the code, and hopefully we can get cam working :)
[Droid Incredible Android Development] ncwildcat:
Then...Why are you stirring up stuff?
[Droid Incredible Android Development] jdkoreclipse:
I apologized for my douchebagggery.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] TheIncredibleJ:
Just read pm i did not see it before. I accept the apology. Let me add a few things. I think we can all agree your not being honest with your real identity and background. Just be real man. No one is gonna look down on you because your a younger. Why live a lie? Im sure im not the only one who thinks you have a lot of potential as far as developing goes. But your not there yet. Get educated, get experience, and just observe for a while. Its ok to sit on the sidelines while learning. You dont need to dev to be accepted. We can clearly see that you have no real developing or coding experience, and in reality dont have a highschool diploma yet. You are young, slow down. This doesnt mean you cant learn as you go, but i reiterate, be real. I no doubt speak for all of us when i say no one wants to hear your bold and inaccurate statements anymore. Your young and just dont have any qualification or justification for most of the things you do and say. Also i will point out that I could never do what you have done with computing at your age, so props to you. With this said, im sure the entire community forgives you for the past but show them that you deserve their forgiveness. No more bold statements, no more "factual opinions", no more relabeling others' roms and calling them your own (,even when credit is given), and lastly there is other ways of contributing to the community without making roms and themes. There would be no drama, bans, or threads like this that generally make this place counterproductive
[Droid Incredible Android Development] jdkoreclipse:
I take your advise...thanks
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] EarlZ:
I have about 1.01GB of Gameloft files on my internal SD and copying them back from a full format/reflash firmware takes close to 1hr, is there a way for this to be stored on my external SD and still work with lag fixes and such ?
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AllGamer:
wait for froyo

then it can be done

before froyo it's not possible

as you need to keep the game data in the Internal SD
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] EarlZ:
Froyo official or the pre-release JPM would do ?
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AllGamer:
yeah leaked 2.2 will do, but not recommended

expect problems
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] EarlZ:
I only see move game data thats like 7-10MB large the entire game files still sit on the internalSD
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] EarlZ:
Does anyone know some kind of a method to point the game files over to the external_SD? its really a pain restoring about 3,000 game files thats barely over 1.5GB takes hours!
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xmsnx:
Sorry for bumping this, but did anyone figure this out on froyo 2.2 or 2.2.1?
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] EarlZ:
Never got this resolved, I would like to have all of my game data on the external_SD
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] adli25:
exactly, im looking very hard for this questions to be resolved..but i tried searching elsewhere in other forums and there too did not provide any best answers...can anyone out there help us out pls
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TerraBuzz:
Not possible for mobile games

I also have tons of game data, especially gameloft's. I do really want to keep it in my external SD. So whenever I reinstall my system and the games, I can just simply put my extSD back in, then the game loads.

But as far as I know, this currently not possible even in froyo. App like Apps2SD can move apps to extSD, but not the game data, which are too big.

Even if it could, with the data that big I wonder how long should it take to load all the apps in the applications list when we run it to -- let's say uninstall other apps?

To prevent this, the dev separate the game from the data but I think the game is programmed to search the data path to internal SD by default, and could not be changed.

This is just like in PC, the default 'savegames' folder will be created separately and each game has it's own place. Some chose to be in the installation folder, others in my documents... So on...

And when we reinstall our PC OS then reinstall the games, we must restore our savedgames from our backups that we have copied in other disk, to the game default save folder.

Unfortunately, for mobile games the data are not just for the savedgames, but also for the main game resources... Which are too damn big and takes time to restore... Hmmm...
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] seah87:
I have same problem
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zerodi:
Did anyone find a solution? I would also love to more gamedata to the exxternal sd card, seems a bit silly we cant:D
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dudau16:
take a look http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=1129134&highlight=gameloft here:)...i haven't tired it yet, but i think it should work:D
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Acidicus:
I can confirm that solution here works
[Vibrant Themes and Apps] brown291:
Hi does anyone know where I can find a high quality green android robot themes or wallpaper... Unfortunately I have only been able to find low qrade themes.
[Vibrant Themes and Apps] bigragu:
Download Zedge and look through there.
[Vibrant Themes and Apps] j56bp:
Vibrant + xda app
[Vibrant Themes and Apps] brown291:
Nice! where can I get them
[Vibrant Themes and Apps] gravis86:
One of my favorites:

Full size here:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4103/5082488828_619bc965e9_b_d.jpg

I also have a very small collection on my Flickr page here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/gravis86/sets/72157625040711971/
[Vibrant Themes and Apps] brown291:
Thanks! been looking for this for quite sometime.
[Vibrant Themes and Apps] biigreen:
@j56bp...

I have just found my new wallpaper! That red droid pissin' on the apple is the best. Lots of black, texture and a great graphic.

If I may ask, where did you find that one?
[Vibrant Themes and Apps] trishah1105:
I have a few...but they're kind of girlie LOL!
[Vibrant Themes and Apps] j56bp:
Lockbot pro paid app.

Vibrant + xda app
[Vibrant Themes and Apps] ryangera:
The bionix roms all come with some wonderful Android robot wallpapers. the Godzilla one is my favorite.
[Vibrant Themes and Apps] brown291:
Thanks Again.
[Vibrant Themes and Apps] xplanowestx:
Enjoy :)
[Vibrant Themes and Apps] fan de as:
hey man

download zedge and you have a lot of wallpapers
[Vibrant Accessories] chronos7:
I'm looking for a new screen protector so can someone tell me what's the best screen protector that doesn't show any fingerprints or oil from fingers...thanks in advance!!!
[Vibrant Accessories] sd1esel:
Screen protector is not needed for this phone. It's got the GORILLA (glass).

I've had my phone since its launch, storing it my pockets and no scratches. If you use your pockets, the fabric will easily wipe off the prints.
[Vibrant Accessories] badaphooko01:
Don't listen to that guy, its glass it will scratch. The general consensus it that Realook is the best protector because once you apply it you cant tell its there.

Its the only one I'll ever use!
[Vibrant Accessories] salman.a:
Mine was working great until I got a big scratch...not sure how...after that I am in favor for screen protector...don't listen to the other guy...it will eventually scratch...my true story
[Vibrant Accessories] sd1esel:
Guess u guys dont baby this phone as much as i do. No scratches yet for me. What did u 2 do to get the superficial damage?

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