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[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
That's essentially what it comes down to. Why would they make an OS that appeals to the 6-8 percent market share that they had prior to this release. I enjoyed some of the customization but no one enjoys an OS that was built for a stylus out of the box and generally just wasn't user friendly to the masses. No one except those 6 percent of techies out there who enjoyed winmo
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
Was that the idea of the KIN as well?
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Nothing is more simple.

Make it enjoyable like it is now but leave features under the hood.

Nothing prevents current platform from having all those features.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
How is the kin relevant at this point? We know it was a screwed up UI they tried too hard to make a strictly social device. It was garbage and their first attempt at a modern UI haphazardly thrown together that should have only been sold to people in kindergarden. They tried making something even more simple than the iphone OS and honestly you can't get more retarded and still remain functional. It just doesnt work that way. iOS is more or less bare minimum.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Except as it was previously mentioned. Sideloading apps and such. Honestly I know I'm not the only one who ripped off apps that were 10+ dollars. What is the motivation for devs at that point. I know the people who built zenonia were upset that their app had more bootlegged copies that regular copies out there. Sure we'll eventually build a loader that will do that for us and we'll end up the same way we are with android... Until then windows is trying as hard as they can to protect the developer community. Most of the features we're lacking didn't hold much more purpose than third party applications. Did the iphone allow third party applications upon release? They're taking a page from a sadly successful book
[Windows Phone 7 General] blues01:
What's next man? Bring up the Vista joke?

Seriously, they're right about WM. I'm currently using samsung SGH i-780 with unofficial WM 6.5 ROM and no matter how good it is to me, I feel like I'm the only one using WM phone in my neighborhood. Just a bad example, I've been using WM phone from 2003 version to 6.5 and I still couldn't find a good and stable YM app till now. Can you believe it?
[Windows Phone 7 General] greenbrd:
Did you really just say that the iPhone crowd is rushing to WP's defense? That's funny because the comments I've seen and heard from iPhone users show that most of them aren't even aware that WP7 is anything other than the same as previous Windows phones. And the ones who are aware of the new-and-improved WP7 pretty much assume that the WP7 vs iPhone battle will go the same way for MS as the Zune vs iPod battle did.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lumpaywk:
not at all the kin was a standard phone aimed at teenagers and the lower end market. It failed because MS didn't give it the right attention as a device it was not bad and perfect for people like my wife who wont even touch a smart phone out of a fear of the power just in house politics bad press and a lack of push led it to be a fail.

MS is targeting a broader smart-phone user and its the right move this isn't windows mobile its windows phone. I do notice all winmo fans that complain keep calling it wm7 and here lies the problem. They don't seem to realise its not the same thing so why would it act the same? From what i remember isn't MS still continuing its winmo but as a splinter from its phone division.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Yeah, Steve Jobs likely told them to think exactly that way. I'm sure there's an app that tells them that.
[Windows Phone 7 General] blues01:
Hmm, have you checked the other thread where iphone users switched to WP7?

Maybe that's why he said that the iPhone crowd is rushing to WP's defense.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Even the android fans are saying just that... it's just the new version of windows mobile apparently? Not the case at all. Windows mobile was continued into a 7.0 but was quickly abandoned because in that platform where else could they go and still be profitable...
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
^ it wasn't quickly abandoned. This Zune phone could have came out years ago.

No they aren't continuing WM, they killed it for this.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
They killed a phone OS with 6 percent market share for something that at the very least is making a bigger splash. I call that cutting your losses. They could've released a zune phone years ago but then it would have all the OS shortcomings of android that I honestly never would have even recognized if not for WP7. Instead they waited until they had a complete OS and high class hardware available before they decided to throw their phone in. Less community support to begin with of course but that will grow with time especially with the android and iphone users we're converting. The point is WP7 is a complete OS that could have a few more features to make it more functional. Android and iOS always feel like a work in progress.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
IOS feels like a work in progress, OK I'm done.

Put Metro on the iPhone and you'll have the exact same thing. Only IOS is more functional.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Does it have more apps? Yes.

Is it more functional? Not by a longshot.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nehvada:
i agree with that. even at this very early stage WP7 is more usefull to me than the iPhone ever was (without jailbreaking it). it has upcoming events on the lockscreen and homescreen, favorites from wherever you want them and some other minor advantages. plus a surprisingly smooth and reliable os. i might be the only one but i even like the stock ringtones. i dont want my phone to bark or play a guitar, a simple ring is best for a business phone.

i used to love the iPhone and still do. but i mean, do you remember how the iphone startet? it didnt even come with international keyboards or other languages then english at all. for a new OS wp7 is simply awsome. if sombody would have told me "you will buy a windows phone" a month ago i would have laughed at or smacked him or both. but i tried it and was convinced.
[Windows Phone 7 General] thenotoriouspie:
Ios didn't have copy paste either
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
Every time WP7 fans are confronted with the questions about their choice of limited feature set we are brought back to the past :confused: WAS is the past, IS is the present; and as it is stands now WP7 does not hold a candle against iOS and Android.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
They won't argue facts.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
In androids first iteration could it compare to iOS? I can personally remember when there was about 400 apps on there and not one of them was a playable game. I did not see a game on there that wasn't toxic until robodefense came out. You can't expect for everything to just start out perfect. Windows phone 7 was hastily put out towards the end because they wanted to make it in time for christmas and it is STILL a much more functional UI than either other OS. We can't multitask entirely, I can listen to music on my phone and browse at the same time, who cares if it's pandora? Not only this but you can't except too much development from a beta team. You have to publicly release a device before you can get all the great ideas necessary to make a good OS. Regardless as an OS to the average consumer it's much smoother, plays out much better, and works much better than any other OS. At what point is copy and paste going to really come into play unless you use your phone for all your microsoft documents. Is it too hard to type?
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
I'm not professing on what is to come. What is here currently is better than any other OS for your average consumer.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
Not really, there is no hype about it, MS is silent on its success, they do get excited about Kinect thanks to hackers and not the average users, but WP7 story leaves too much to be desired.
[Windows Phone 7 General] greenbrd:
It's probably an app that's available for iPhone, Blackberry and Android but not for WP.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
What do they have to be proud of? Have they taken the mobile OS world by storm? No. Have they built an OS that is more functional and fluid? Yes. ruth is until people can play whatever games they so choose WP7 isn't going to be a huge hit. There's only so many remakes of abduction for android you can play til you grow bored. I think it was foolish to leave most of the developing in the communities hands right off. You have to show them what its capable of first. The new Verizon Windows phone displays what it can do andfor that it will sale better but who wants a phone that's just good as a phone when most phones on the market act as a gaming device amongst other things? Certainly not the massive amount of people who poured hours into angry birds or who play pocket legends for hours on end. The strictly-business consumer is rare and most of them are stuck on the terrible blackberry OS which I never saw reason behind. Until it gains some member support it wont reach its potential which greatly exceeds that of android or iphone. Hell I had copy/paste on my nexus one for a long time and never once saw fit to use it. It's just another case of the other teams fanboys hunting for unimportant flaws to try and beat up a threat while it's young.
[Windows Phone 7 General] greenbrd:
I've not read that thread yet. Where can I find it?
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Don't think a blackberry is powerful enough to read that much text at once and androids so laggy who would bother loading the app? I don't doubt that iphone has it though.
[Windows Phone 7 General] zukа:
I just don't really understand this thread. When people here say they prefer WP7, they're not saying that anybody who chooses android is foolish. If you don't have anything to add to the discussion other than flames and crowing, then maybe stop posting here.

The comparison between Wp7 and Gingerbread seems, to me, to be stupid. No OS is born fully formed and complete, but the fact that updates are adding a lot of the missing functionality within three months of release makes me confident about investing in Windows phone.

For anyone tossing up between Android and WP7, if software updates are important for you, get either a Nexus S or Windows Phone. Updates are handled by microsoft on the latter - my HTC Legend and Motorola Milestone still don't have Froyo and Gingerbread's starting to roll.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Yeah, couldn't pay me to buy another samsung android device. Likely going to have to root to keep a vibrant past 2.1. Who wants to update something with that garbage touchwiz UI? Samsung also promised that they'd be the first to catch every update on the behold 2. Ask a behold 2 user how that's going. It's going to be beautiful to get updates when they come out. What're you going to do with those brand new sexy G2s since gingerbread requires a 1gHz processor. Pretty much void your warranty or use an outdated OS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
Where did the 1GHz Gingerbread requirement come from? Dude, don't invent crap
[Windows Phone 7 General] greenbrd:
Well, maybe MS can hire a developer to make one for WP in another attempt to artificially create developer interest in the platform.
[Windows Phone 7 General] greenbrd:
False. This rumor was dismissed by Google a week ago. Nice try, though.
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
that doesn't even make sense @ 1ghz requirement, the MSM at 800mhz performs no worse on any level as far as I know than the QSD at 1ghz
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
It was announced by an LG rep. No creation of mine. It has also been rumored for some time now. Not certain if its true. Regardless with android you're making a HUGE gamble on whether or not your device will ever be upgraded.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
Well LG is not Google, and they have retracted their statement since.

Aren't you gambling with WP7 in the same fashion though?
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
No, WP7 is not making an attempt to theme and skin every variety with every brand of phone. Windows has stated that they wanted uniformity so they could continue to update all devices at the same time. Our OS doesnt need to be themed, it's beautiful without.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Your opinion only, and I respect it.

Your not gambling with an actual Google phone. Android doesn't have to be skinned but since it is open , people and OEMs skin it. I respect that. Apparently a lot of other people do too.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
An actual google phone meaning the old dev phone g1 that never recieved an official update? Or the nexus one that is looking at it's last little bit of time in the limelight? Or the Nexus S made by samsung that's just been so great about updating all their phones? The Nexus One has been the one google phone that has been treated the way it should the rest (especially the galaxy S series) have just been marketing without followthrough.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
And the same will be for Nexus S, Samsung only provides hardware in this case.

And as far as WP7 updates, all but copy and paste is speculation, and that what I was referring to.
[Windows Phone 7 General] zukа:
I think even the most diehard android fan would have to admit that unless you invest in a dev phone your chances of continued updates are a complete crapshoot. I'll gladly eat my words if it doesn't turn out to be true, but that hopefully won't be a problem on Microsoft's new OS, which I think is a great thing (coming from Android)
[Windows Phone 7 General] The Gate Keeper:
i do believe that the best path to be on in terms of updates is ones done by the OS creators, and not hindered by the OEMs/carriers. Apple started this and it's very successfully kept most of their consumers happy (except for iOS4... what a shocker for the iPhone 3G people...). But yea, I think if I was to ever guy an Android, it would definitely be Nexus One/S because I know that as soon as something becomes available from Google, I'd get it... not wait and hope for it (can someone say Galaxy S?)
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
I'd agree but the Nexus one was a revolution in the android world. the Nexus S is an overpriced and overhyped version of the galaxy S, same exact hardware and all except with a vanilla UI

That was inconsiderate to galaxzy S users and dev phone fans alike. Sadly Samsung markets better than HTC though their phones are complete garbage aside from the screens.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
I do not disagree with this, and I am thankful to the boards like XDA that diverted my attention to rely on the OEM's/carriers to push the updates. WP7 user's might face the same shocker when/if MS decides to create WP8/9 etc and put the hardware requirements that will leave current WP7 devices on the side of the road.
[Windows Phone 7 General] The Gate Keeper:
true, though the way the interview was at D:, they made it sound like as time went on, the price can be lowered because the specs wouldn't change so much. but yea, i definitely know what you mean. though in saying that, WP7 doesn't really need better specs, sure it can have them to run even better, but it doesn't need better specs, and if all they do with WP8/9 is build upon it, it is in essence capable of being used on low end devices within a two or three years.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
The hardware is nothing like garbage, Samsung makes their own screens, processors (that power iPhone4 too), etc. The case is plastic but as someone mentioned here, was it you by chance?, that their HTC HD7 even though appearing to have better hardware case is falling apart whereas the cheaply looking Vibrant was still holding the fort.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Certainly not me, my vibrants back was scratched and the clamps were falling off within 2 months to hold the back on altogether. I longed for the captivates build quality. I know they make their own processors and the buffer is overrun so easily that is sad.... I feel bad that my mom is stuck with a vibrant for a few more months because it's gotten so bad that even she (who uses her phone minimally and with next to no apps) has to wait about 8 minutes for the phone to become usable on startup and it is still slow.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
Well it is Christmas time, give your mom a present :)

My Vibrant so far is holding up pretty good, no scratches thanks to mesh case, and buttons are snag, software wise it is as I would've liked it to be from the get go, thank you XDA :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Toshiba makes the iPhone displays. They were in the news recently declaring the construction of a new, billion dollar, plant to produce them.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
I know that, I was talking about the processor.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
I just put vanilla froyo on her vibrant for her because it was unusable. IT's functioning now but on its last legs. Also I have a two month old, I don't have money for good presents. Only reason I really got this HD7 is because I on it at our Christmas party. The processor on the galaxy S series was good aside from the processor which definitely left something to be desired regardless of what they call it... Then again I'm sure touchwiz didnt help.
[Windows Phone 7 General] The Gate Keeper:
i believe it was more than just that. there is also additional security measures within windows phone 7 that weren't provided within HD2 at the time of it's creation. reading the thread about WP7 on HD2, it appears to be stopped cold because of the fact that the serials that are built into the on-board memory aren't existent which they are in all WP7 devices. That and though i know lq doesn't agree, I still see WP7 as a new OS from the ground up, even if it does use a lot of the similar underlying WCE that WM6.5 does. Though in saying that, MS could have been able to provide WP7 for HD2 if they wanted. Though it would be the odd one out in terms of consistency between devices.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
WP7 is new from the ground up, even though the kernel, which is solid and a waste of time to replace...wouldn't be able to make a better one, is old. I recommend to everyone to not let the whittlers whittle away, little by little, at the prestigious-ness and newness of WP7. They won't achieve that with me, why let them achieve it with any of you. Their goal is to tear down the fabulous nature of WP7 in an effort to keep their desired system from drowning in the glory of WP7. Make no mistake about it, WP7 is ALL new and a magnificent piece of work.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
I completely agree and have read into that. I know that the codes can also be created and run artificially from the memory. I don't think it wouldve been a good idea for the hd2 to run WP7 but it was pheasible and was just being used as an example. I'm aware this is a brand new OS regardless of what the whol 6 percent of diehard WM fans want and its a step in the right direction. So I was told the HD7 has Gorilla glass? Is that true or not because theres speculation either way and I'm not really willing to test it out. xD
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
I don't think you completely understand. A total Google phone, Nexus One and Nexus S will receive updates straight from Google because they are Google phones.

The galaxy s is a Samsung phone, not supported by Google. It is only supported by Samsung.

OEMs know that updates don't make money. Plus they are in the hardware business so updates don't make sense at all to them. Apple has figured this out, I want to know how Microsoft is going to handle this.

Another thing the only people worried about updates are techies, no one else cares.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
If Microsoft was never in the mobile market, and they didn't churn out mobile OS after mobile OS for the past ten years then and only then could I agree with you.

Sure IF this was Microsoft's first mobile OS, I would be amazed. Reality hits, its not.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
My mom isnt a techie. However she did want a newer version so she could get angry bids so I do disagree with that aspect. I know that it's updated through google but regardless I can't bring myself to trust a samsung phone just based on experience. This may be biased but they have never been reliable on their updates. I remember when I bought my blackjack and they promised an upgrade to winmo 6 the day it came out. About 5 months later I finally got an email that I could manually do it. Just personal experience I will never trust samsung for a phone again. HTC all the way.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Since you put it that way than stick with a Software's company phone such as WP7, Google Phone, or iPhone.

OEMs don't care about updating. They just want to sell more phones.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
The beauty is that you can get a beautiful array of hardware and still do that with wp7.

iOS can onl be found on one moderately ugly device then you've got the terrible UI and all I just dont see the appeal. I dont mind being on a locked OS because I have faith that the fine people of XDA will have it unlocked for third party applications but until then all I can really say is we've still got the best looking UI and not being able to copy and paste doesnt hurt too bad at all.
[Windows Phone 7 General] orb3000:
Yes I know, you may think that as you have it, the rest of the world too but not:(

It should be that way but big companies work in a mysterious way...

By the time we get WP7 here it won´t be new anymore:mad:

Cheers,

Orb
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Here is a good article similar to this topic

http://mobilitydigest.com/is-window...m_campaign=Feed:+FuzeMobility+(Fuze+Mobility)

Most of it is his opinion, but he's entitled to that. I love how my phone looks.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
I have to say I agree with him 100 percent. Essentially the only thing either other OS has on WP7 is maturity... time... that is it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
But isn't Microsoft mature in the mobile world?
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Modern mobile world? pfft, did you see the kin and WM6.5? They were modern when smartphones were new but were always too complicated. They oversimplified in not adding copy and paste and after some market research have decided that they should've had that from the beginning. All operating systems have features that would have made it initially better and thats what updates are made for. It won't be flawless at birth. Thats obvious. Anyone who has used it though feels that it is en route to becoming the best OS out there (I already believe it is minus its lack of market support)
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
Dude, take it easy, you sound like there's a conspiracy theory you must to bust.

As pointed out by many microsoft is not new to the mobile scene, but it looks like it is confused on their goals and well late to the game with their offering and playing catch up. WinMo platform if gotten the corporation support could have made a much bigger impact.

One can only ask why abandon a stable platform to introduce another that is a lesser functional product in a better wrapped around UI?

Sent from my bionix powered Vibrant
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Apple was mature, in a sense, in the mobile world by having the failed Newton...plus laptops. Palm is even more mature than all of them. Palm was the very first mobile smart device producer, yet WebOS is considered all new and a reinvention of Palm.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
That's already been answered.