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[Windows Phone 7 General] Ruki_Uki:
Whatever he is smoking to think Windows is or ever will be better then Android, if it gives him those crazy hallucinations, I want some!

Sent from my EVO's 4G :) You?........I thought so
[Windows Phone 7 General] tomhierl:
Yeah must be strong stuff, but if it makes me go to forums and post nonsense, I don't really want to try it. ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] nehvada:
depends on how you define "better"

- if you mean the thrillions of useless apps on the android market, ok...

- if you mean the "5-different-ways-to-get-to-same-setting", ok, android offers more

- if you mean the "three different apps for one funktionality" (aka contacts, contact search and phone), ok, android offers more

- if you mean the 9 pages in sense for "whatever you can even think of apps and widgets", ok, android offers more

me personally prefer the "one-page-homescreen" and "one hub offers all" on WP7. and this is me that used to be a big fan of android.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Wm 6.5 has the most complete exchange support on the market (supports virtually every policy).

Outlook mobile

Office mobile 2010 inc. SharePoint Workspace

Bing with Voice Guided Navigation

Windows Live for Windows Mobile

Facebook/Twitter Integration and YouTube app on HD2

Flash Lite

App2SD

Media Synching via WMDC/WMP with support for Zune Pass DRM

UI on WinMo/Symbian can be largely fixed with SPB Mobile Shell

There is more.

WinMo's problems were never features, or even Apps since most people don't use all that many, anyways.

It was the interface and performance, on top of the fragmentation.

Android does not out-feature WinMo, and certainly not Symbian...
[Windows Phone 7 General] tomhierl:
Flash Lite? WTF, Android has full Flash.

Bing Navigation? Even the man on the moon has heard of Google Maps Navigation, which is a thousand times better.

SPB Mobile Shell? Available on Android + a thousand other home screens.

Media Synching? Android syncs with a thousand different players, including WMP.

...

...

...

YouTube app? No comment. If you don't even know that Android has a (MUCH BETTER) Youtube app, there's no help for you...

Where have you been hiding the last four years?? You've got NO FREAKING CLUE about today's mobile operating systems. Get a clue before you post again, please.

Android has more functinality than any other OS today + the most thoroughly thought through UI. WP7 is dead last and there's no hope that it will ever catch up.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
I was comparing heavily WM vs Android.

And I must agree with N8ter.

WM has more features than Android, even if the above things may be the same,

some stuff is just better implemented.

Including file management build in into system, task management, C & P implementation.

And many other specific features are also a bit better.

Of course full Outlook and Office built in is important too.

But WM development stopped and Android is vividly growing so it will soon match it and be probably better.

As for UI, well, it's subjective. Android full of colurs, shapes and different menus make me sick personally.

As for WP7, to early to judge, please.

It has potential which with features, will be very powerful.

But it requires big work from WM IMO.

Currently it offers too little to fight.
[Windows Phone 7 General] andrew-in-woking:
Not quite Google's business model...

Hi Jim

This is not quite Google's business model. I don't think that Google are going to add adverts from within the core Android OS. From what I can see quite a lot of Android apps are Ad supported, as are WP7 apps.

Google's profit strategy is to have an Android phone in everybody's pocket, so that they can get as much information about you as possible, and then use this information to sell to advertisers at a higher rate.

An example might be that you do a quick google search at work on your break for a new mountain bike that you're thinking of buying. Because you've logged into iGoogle they know it's you who has searched so they use this information to hike up the price of advertising for bycicle sellers on the basis that this person has "searched for a bicycle in the last X days". Then, with your Android phone in your pocket, you go to a Bicycle store and your phone tracks your position and now Google know that you have both searched online for a bike and visited a store to look for one.

They can now raise the price of advertising to you through websites with Google adverts on them even higher because they can present you as definitely serious about buying a new bicycle.

That is how Google make their money. It's also why you might get adverts on websites that relate to things you have recently "looked up" on the internet.

I agree with the previous comment that this business model does not detract from what Google are able to do in terms of the quality of the OS. If anything this will motivate Google to make Android as good as they possibly can, because it is in their interest every time a new user buys an Android phone.

Cheers

andrew-in-woking
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
If anything it motivates Google to make Android as widespread as they possibly can. They don't care which version you run, they don't care if cameras are good or crappy, they don't care about anything as long as it serves as a tool to show you ads one way or another. They don't even care if it's their OS as long as AdMob is there somehow.

Of course they can make a quality product by accident, but that doesn't have anything to do with their business model. :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] tomhierl:
Get a clue, N8ter.

It's a fact that Android offers every feature that WM/Symbian do and more. Better Exchange support, better Flash support, better Youtube app, better voice guided navigation, better media player, better media syncing, ...

Sorry, N8ter, but before you post again, do your homework. I don't know why you post to a thread that is about Android when you don't have any clue about Android - probably because you're a brainwashed fanboy or getting paid by Microsoft to spread the nonsense you're posting.

And by the way, WM is still way better than WP7 - it's the only OS that at least comes close to Android's functionality.
[Windows Phone 7 General] napoleon321:
Actually you can and it has already been done...honestly, both os are great, it comes down to preference, some people like the custimization of android while othershate tha they have to trust 3rd part apps to get they're phone how they want it, I personally prefer android...but I love being able o FULLY custimize every aspect of my phone, while others may want the windows 7 devices for they're stabilty and rock like software (no real room for big changes)....its ultimately up to the user, I have android now and sprint gets a windows 7 phone ill get that and use both, if any would like a video on both phones ui compared just pm me

sent from my fallen epic
[Windows Phone 7 General] mmelo76:
The thread is being discussed on Android and WP7, and not on the user's knowledge X and Y.

If you can not put your opinion without making personal comments about another user, then do not post more.

Although with some comments that contribute to the forum, be talking about another user or make attacks are against the forum rules.

This is a first warning!

I hope that will change the attitude! And back to the subject!
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
@nrfitchett4: we have already exchanged a few PM's on my Vibrant performance with a custom ROM, and no lag fixes applied on my Vibrant - I am hopeful that XDA community will release a ROM for Galaxy S based off the Nexus S in terms of the OS, and the filesystem structure/implementation, but it is off topic.

As far as Google business model is concerned, as long as they do not sell my identity which is unlawful for them to do, and the emails that come from my gmail account do not contain the links to mortgage companies, etc. in my signature, I am totally happy with their services they provide.
[Windows Phone 7 General] avanray:
With wp7 you will stuck with the same all look until ms choose to change it. With Android u can have just bout any looks as long as imagination allows it.

Stock Android for me sucks. Try sense android,probably the best experience you can get. If u still not statisfied try getting custom launcher or ported Rom. With wp7,once u bored with the looks then u must start to learn to live with it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
As for graphics, I think SE X10 looks very good.

I WILL probably test on my "body" WP7.

I'm buying LG Swift 7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Hey N8ter don't you have a vibrant? Did you know that we can drag and drop our videos without converting them? .avi, .mkv and many more!

Anyone know how long the wait is on WP7 and what formats it supports without conversion?
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Android Exchange support is terrible.

Ovi and Bing are just as good as Maps on Sym/WinMo.

Android media player is notoriously bad. And it has terrible codec and drm support (unless the manufacturer mods it).

Bettet media synching? Im asphyxiating from laughter.

I have owned phones with all 3 OSes, and I'm currently using an Android device.

Just stop. Youre embarassimg yourself...

I like how u ignore most of what I wrote and tried to toute the worst aspects of android as advantages, though.
[Windows Phone 7 General] zukа:
The biggest annoyance for me about android is the jerkiness of everything. I bought an HTC phone because of sense, but not only didn't it scroll properly, it used a lot of the phone's resources and slowed everything down.

I tried the stock android launcher, but it was also jerky and none of the HTC Widgets would work on it.

Finally, I bought Launcher Pro Plus. Finally, it was a responsive and smooth launcher. Except, like the stock, it doesnt show HTC widgets, which half defeats the purpose of owning an HTC android device. And it force closes at least twice a day. And messaging, mail and calendar don't show notification badges when I have unread/unseen items.

Two points, really, and I hope I'm being constructive here because that's genuinely my intent: firstly, responsiveness and smoothness on a touch screen phone is really important to a user experience. if you don't feel like you're controlling it, and if you have to wait for the user interface to catch up, then it becomes a negative, not a positive.

second, i don't think people should have to install a custom launcher really. in my opinion, android has sacrificed functionality for the ability to have everything customised. i'm sure lots of people have optimised their launchers to have everything running great, but i was never able to.

and i still don't have froyo when gingerbread is becoming available.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Jabbypants:
Had countless android phones from Milestone, Desire, galaxy S, Desire HD and none of them were as smooth as I would have hoped, Android just doesn't work out of the box as it should its always loading custom roms on to make it work better.

I am no fan boy had Iphone 4 also but my Omnia 7 is fast and looks slick, love the browser smooth as butter all the time, no matter what I tried on Android they are always jerky specially with full flash support it just annoyed me and I used to disable it to keep the browser smoother, I have had this phone for almost 2 months now and have no jerks, slowdown that always plagues Android phones I have had.

Bro has my old Desire HD and after messing on this phone he wants me to swap with him but I won't as I prefer this any day.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tomhierl:
WP7 doesn't either.

Flash can be set to on demand, then the browser is 100% smooth. Not even your desktop PC can do that.

What's with those double standards? What do you think? Will WP7 get the missing basic features first or will Android become 100% smooth first? If you give Microsoft more than a year or even two to fix only some of the missing features, why don't you give Google 6 months to fix the smoothness? I hate such double standards, really.

In its current state, WP7 is hardly usable. At least Android works out of the box like it should, without waiting for years to get basic features!
[Windows Phone 7 General] avanray:
I agree with u on the smoothness.its important. BTW I nvr experience any jerky or lag. I believe yours is due to hardware limitation .I'm using HTC desire now and all is smooth.I've tried HTC legend and I understand the jerkyness u talking about . It's the hardware not the OS. Even my iPhone 3gs is abit lag when I update to the latest ios.. maybe nowadays u just need a 1ghz processor n 512 min RAM to enjoy the full potential of these OS es. That's y ms specify a very specific min requirement.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
so much anger. Why even post here??? Matter of fact, why are all the android fanbois over here so much? So many, it is the only place they post these days. I've never gone over to other OS forums just to flame or bash the OS.

1. No, spb MS is not available to the end user on android. And so far according to rumors, spb MS5 may never be available to end users only oems, so you will have to buy a device that already has it.

http://www.spb.com/android-software/mobileshell/

2. How many android devices have 2.2 (for full flash)? And I don't mean after rooting and slapping on a custom ROM. This is about stock devices. I know the nexus one has it, and a few of the htc devices. What about samsung? Does a single samsung galaxy S device have 2.2 besides the tab?

3. As long as you have a navigation that works, does it matter where it comes from? I mean, bing with nav, or google with nav? What does it matter? I know bing always gave me better traffic updates then google maps did.

Ok, but let's get back to stock for a minute and remember that 95% of the smartphone world doesn't want to hack their phones. The vibrant has lag issues out of the box. Apparently quite a few android devices have this. I don't know if its an OEM problem, a software problem or an android problem, but it exists. Just because you fixed it with a custom ROM instead of the rooting/ lag fix route, doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist for most users.

With wp7, this is the first device other than an iphone, that I have not been able to make it freeze up or lag. And that is out of the box, with zero hacks or mods or speed fixes, etc. And even 6 weeks later, installing lots of apps, not deleting a single text message, it is just as smooth and fast and still boots in 26-27 seconds.

That is what we are talking about with wp7 "just working out of the box".

I haven't noticed any wait times. I installed zune a couple of days before I got my hd7 and when I synced it and dropped videos in, they transferred as fast as videos being copied to an sd card on my HD2. I don't know if it converts as it copies or if it converts all videos when put on my pc, but it works very well.

You want to talk about double standards???

Android is on its 3rd major OS release and still has lag issues. They had several years now to fix the smoothness. Why hasn't this been accomplished? Most likely, its due to the lack of hardware acceleration, that google can't do because the hardware is not standard in android. It's up to the OEM's to do this and we know that htc has a horrible track record on even getting proper drivers on their devices so why would we think they would take care of this?

With wp7, since the hardware has specific specs, It is optimized for the chipset/Processor/gpu. the same for apple. That is why these devices are smoother. I don't think google can fix the problem without changing their philosphy on android can go on any device.

WP7 will get most of the features in the next year. If not, maybe it will fail, but I doubt MS will let that happen.
[Windows Phone 7 General] zukа:
The HTC widgets were important to me because they were supposed to give me instant access to my photos, contacts, calendar agenda and inbox. the WP7 UI does this to my satisfaction on one screen, not seven.

I still don't have access to wifi tethering, apps2sd or the JIT compiler that froyo brings, so to me, switching to a WP7 will bring a huge speed upgrade, more space for apps and tethering sooner than if I waited for it on my Legend (in Australia, Froyo release is still TBA)

I don't know why I'm bothering trying to convince you though, because you're not actually trying to have a discussion. Android isn't terrible, but WP7 works better for me and for others. Why does this make you so angry?

@avanray: Yeah, I admit that might be it. Sense on a DesireHD is a lot smoother. I think the thing is I don't want to spend $1000 dollars on a phone (tech is expensive in Aus) and the HTC Trophy has comparable specs to the HTC Desire for a few hundred dollars less, plus a UI I like better. It's kinda hard to find good hardware for android at a reasonable price here, but I admit the Legend might not be the best example. still, i can only talk about what I know, and android isn't optimised for this processor
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
I guess the galaxy s can't handle 2.2:

http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/18/samsung-pulls-froyo-update-for-bells-vibrant-after-reports-of-f/
[Windows Phone 7 General] avanray:
Yup,let's just hope wp7 will give a good competition and make Android phone drop their price.hehe. would love to try wp7.. I dun fancy the UI but just love to try new stuff.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
To be fair, I'm not taking sides but, Scrolling up and down on one screen, is pretty much the same thing as scrolling left and right.

just a thought.
[Windows Phone 7 General] zukа:
haha, smartarse. the pictures tile updates with my latest photo, the calendar tile with my latest appointment, and both fit on the same screen as my messaging, email, browser and people app.

IMO - again, feel free to disagree - I get as much information on one screen of Wp7 as three on SenseUI
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
^ Seriously, is that all? If it works for you, fine.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Not when all your important stuff is at the top.

Email, Phone, SMS, Facebook hubs can all be huddled at the top of the screen.

You cannot put multiple HTC or Samsung Widgets on one screen, so you often end up having to do considerably more scrolling on Android than on WP7. Even on a Galaxy Tab, the Daily Briefing Widget takes up an entire hope screen, even though it actually uses less than 50% of the space on that home screen, for example.

Personally I think if Android homescreens were organized differently, it would be better.

A middle homescreen with one on the top/bottom and left/right of it would be more than enough.

I personally can't see how most people need more than 5 home screens, and if Samsung didn't make it impossible to set a certain screen as the home screen on Eclair I'd only be using 3, since there really aren't that many good Widgets available, anyways...
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
You see that's the beauty of it. If you don't like the size of the widgets there a ton of alternatives. Not to mention if you're using a certain launcher you can resize widgets.

I personally don't need 5 home screens but I use them for ease. IOS supports 9 home screens. But no one can really argue home screens as its very opinionated. Some prefer whatever the originator gives them, and others prefer to make it their own.

A middle homescreen with one on the top/bottom and left/right of it would be more than enough. This is a good idea, it might be fun to use.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
1. There aren't many alternatives to Daily Briefing. It ties deeply into the smartphone's functionality and nothing else is as efficient as it is. Same with the Friend's Widget. There are better widgets, but they tend to be a net loss compared to the ones bundled with the Launcher.

There aren't any widgets in the Market that can top HTC's Widgets. Most of them try to either duplicate them, but the result is a configuration nightmare, and ends up being less than intuitive. Also, clones are prone to having issues. Beautiful Widgets has been getting terrible review on the market for the past few updates, for example. There are also Ads in a lot of those widgets.

Some of those widgets also poll excessively and apps with Adds use more battery power than they should (since they are using you radio to download Ads even when the app doesn't need to access the internet).

2. Yes, 5 should be the max, IMO. I don't see how people can need more than that with Android supporting Folders and the fact that there aren't really that many good widgets, anyways. The reason people use 7 screens is cause of the widgets taking up an entire home screen.

3. Changing Launchers is not acceptable because it can wipe out all of the good functionality you like in the stock Launcher just to fix one issue. Also, it doesn't even fix the issue.

In Daily Briefing you can slim it down to a 4x1 widget, but it still takes up the entire home screen.

On top of that, changing launchers means you cannot use TouchWiz/Sense Widgets, which are better than pretty much anything on the market at what they do, better optimized, and typically integrate with the system at a level beyond what 3rd party widgets can do.

I personally think Widgets are overrated. Stock apps should have corresponding widgets to provide access to information on the glance, because Android notifications are fairly weak (no pop-up notifications from stock apps, etc.).

It would be nice to see if any new emails, calls/voice mails, sms came while you were not looking at the phone short of squinting at, or pulling down the notification bar. Also, stuff like Calendar Appointments and Tasks are good to have on the home screen as a widget. I guess A stock Music Player widget would also be nice (with a Stop button, seems like "Stop" and "Exit/Quit" are anathema to Android...).

Clocks, Battery Meters, and stuff like that are fluff and aren't really much of a factor.

I guess the only fluff type of widget that I can actually support heavily is a Data Monitor, since lots of people do not have Unlimited Data plans...

But aside from that... Not much is needed, and more often than not those 3rd party widgets end up degrading performance or battery life. Some of them have Ads, and many of them poll excessively (even when set to specific intervals).

And since the Android Market has only a 15 minute return policy, I'll never buy a widget from there because that isn't nearly enough time to see if it's going to be a problem/performance or batter regression.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
I don't know what to say about your experiences. However mine have been the complete opposite, I have found a nice alternative to everything proprietary. I used to have a power widget, but now all of those options are up in the curtain, love it. Music player widget, got it. I could go on and on. I guess WP7 or IOS is for you.

15 minute market returns is a great idea, limits people trickery some.