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[Vibrant General] anthonys2r:
beer money
[Vibrant General] rjhay22:
Wow.... Are you serious? d

First you're comparing your Vibrant to a G1, of course it will be better! Even with a stock Vibrant.

Second, the CM guys or any dev for this matter, who gives their free time to make ROMs and MODs for peasants like you and I who cant do it ourselves, are assholes?! How?!

Third, yes it only takes one talented dev to build a ROM from scratch, but without the SOURCE they have no base to work on. It really isnt easy to make a ROM from scratch, and as far as I know only a few devs have successfully done so. Most of them base it on another dev's work or samsung itself...
[Vibrant General] karimsaud21:
I think yall misunderstood me, the Vibrant and other Galaxy S variants aren't off the boards for CM, they just PROBABLY wont make the 6.1 release
[Vibrant General] n2ishun:
Umm....

Uhhh....

Do these guys know someone who can code ?

I hope so since those 2 lines coming from someone who CAN code are at best knocks against themselves.

*I coded something that won't compile* = I failed to do what I intended.

*I coded something that doesn't work* = I failed to do what I intended.

I would be ashamed.
[Vibrant General] All~G1:
Haha.... You think that the bionix ROM came from scratch??? He took eugenes base from the Ftwiz ROM. He even says it in the credits. Not trying to sell the ROM or development short, because it is a great ROM.

All the devs that are tied to the vibrant are trying to reverse engineer the code to get the 2.2 source which samsung has not released. Building 2.2 with out the source code is like building a sky scrapper from the top to the bottom, everything will crash. Where as 2.1 with source is building from ground up, you start from a solid foundation, then work your way up...

Wes also stated to anyone who wanted there money back, they can email him for a refund.
[Vibrant General] Kubernetes:
Just give it time. The source for the i9000 froyo was just released; it will come eventually, but development is going to lag behind that for the Nexus One, Dinc, etc. Just be glad we're getting some kind of CM; think of all the other phones that aren't even on the list.
[Vibrant General] All~G1:
Very true!
[Vibrant General] christpuncher:
after reading their various tweets regarding them passing the buck on vibrant development, yes, they're assholes. it was clearly a joke to them because they know it's a huge hassle, so they should have just said it was probably never going to happen. i'm very grateful for the handful of devs that have actually stepped up and made this phone into what it should have been out of the box. it was clear that the cm team never cared in the first place.
[Vibrant General] mmas0n:
This is worth repeating. Development has not stopped; it has been delayed again. The impatience in so many threads across XDA is almost humorous.

1. Stop panicking.

2. Stop *****ing.

3. Install one of the many good ROMs available.

4. If you're going to play the blame game, at least get it right.
[Vibrant General] Insomaniac10:
I have no experience with CM ROMs so I'm not too sure what all of the hype is about (i realize that CM is the name brand in Android modding, what i mean is that i dont know what it brings to the Vibrant table that is so much better than what we already have, that we have to start a thread like this). I mean if it Froyo youre looking for, just be PATIENT, we'll have Froyo before the year is out. Just keep playing around with all of the other stuff we have for now, and leave the Froyo release as something to look forward to!!

However, with that said, once you make a donation, you TECHNICALLY become a customer, or an investor, whatever you wanna call it. People who donate deserve direct news and updates, good or bad. Because what happens is Devs release ROMs and get a bunch of praise and admiration, which is fine with me, they work hard. However, if youre unable to produce, dont wimp out and run with the money, at least man-up and post an update in the forum. yah, maybe youll get a littlemouth from the ignorant posters out there, but at least youre showing respect to the community that is financially supporting your efforts. And based on what Im reading, CM has been a little stand-offish with our community. SO i can see why DONATORS would complain.

As for me, im gonna shut the hell up and take whats given to me.

PS - this is why i never donate to ANYTHING, be it developers, charities, girl scouts, whatever. Call me a stingy pr*ck, but its because you never really no where your dollars are going. And lets face it, for most of us, money isnt very easy to come across.
[Vibrant General] Kubernetes:
No. This is a misunderstanding of the word "donation." A donation is essentially a gift, albeit there's more allowance for preconditions. People who donated did not "technically" buy or invest in a product, "technically" they made a show of appreciation to developers who volunteered to produce something. The devs didn't promise anything in return for your donation, so whether CM is delayed because of technical issues or laziness, they don't owe anyone anything.
[Vibrant General] rjhay22:
Took the words out of my mind... :-)
[Vibrant General] Gr8gorilla:
you my friend are an IDIOT. Bionix hasn't built anything from scratch. IMHO he should call it the Bionix theme instead of a rom. He uses a kernel made by others and and just Winzips his rom together. I really appreciate the time he spends doing it but I honestly don't see any references to his "source code".

Eugene on the other hand (who's work the Bionix is built off of) does do real coding and is much much more than a winzip dev.

There I said it, I got it off my chest. Now can everyone stop riding Bionix's NUTZ. I mean it is better than stock but mostly thanks to Eugene.

Now SomBionix, if I am wrong and you have coded and created your rom from source and haven't just repackaged Eugene's, JAC's and samsungs work then I apologize and I stand corrected.

I also am not trying to belittle you, I am just trying to clear up some misconceptions about the why you can put out a rom so fast and CM can't.
[Vibrant General] n2ishun:
With any donation there is a implied purpose and direction the money is intended to be used in.

No serious donation recipient says "give me money for no apparent reason".

It is implied the money CM has received will be used in a fashion relating to coding or hardware/software that is directly related to that purpose.

Words mean little, intent is everything, when it comes to matters such as these.

/legalese 101
[Vibrant General] quest4fire:
Reasons:

1. It doesn't compile - this can be fixed, though

2. It doesn't work... - currently the kernel inside the repo doesn't work plus the build system is not set up to flash the kernel

3. The Vibrant repo is about 2mths old

4. The Vibrant repo contains proprietary. On my fork, I have changed everything over to use extract-files, removed proprietary from all commits using filter-branch

I thought Android was open source? How can there be proprietary?

From what I've been reading from CM these last few months it appears that building a CM for Samsung is a major pain and they are probably waiting for a leaked Samsung 2.2 Froyo release.
[Vibrant General] scrizz:
LMFAO, you guys do know that CM 6.x is froyo based.

lmFao lmFao
[Vibrant General] scrizz:
Android is open source, now the drivers are a different story.

rfs etc, etc, etc.....
[Vibrant General] gravis86:
Well considering Wes bricked his Vibrant a week or so ago, I wouldn't expect much progress right now anyway. Coding is hard stuff. Give them some time, especially since they don't even have the Samsung 2.2 source code to work with.

I've never coded for Android but I have for other devices and it can take a while before you get something right. Calm down and be patient.
[Vibrant General] All~G1:
@ n2ishun: this is true, but remember they also never gave a direct deadline.

For those who want updates follow @blamewes on twitter. That is the progression updater. If you want more info or a time line take a look at wesgarner or thedudesandroid on github.

Not fast enough for some ppl... either you code it or get the samsung 2.2 source code & you'll have CM in a no time.
[Vibrant General] sykopompos:
Cm6 is android open source project based and has been built on, their are large propritary parts of samsung's code that does not get released because android is covered under several licenses. Yes the kernel is gnu but drivers and modules are covered under the apache license which they don't have to provide. Samsung is a ***** a half to work on because of some of their drivers, compiling and failed just means that there was an error and something needs to be changed. All that the op is saying that that there is a development freeze to put out a release instead of a nightly builds and then once all those are out then development will continue. The vibrant was removed from the source temp because it will cause the other builds to fail.

If you never even bothered to build the source then how can you hope to understand the process. Teamdouche might be assholes to some but their intention is to improve the user exp and fix the bugs that samsung never did, they are the only ones based and compilied from the source code, other devs are hex editting stock roms or winzip dev'ing
[Vibrant General] Tempestrs4:
This is what wes said when I asked him what that meant. http://bit.ly/dfPGjG
[Vibrant General] Kubernetes:
So? No promise was made. No like-kind exchange. No consideration given or promised. Did you make your donation with the instruction "Donation only given on condition of receipt of CM6 by October __, 2010, otherwise revocable"? Legally speaking, it was an unconditional gift.

Moreover, even if you want to take the moral stance that the CM team should use the funds for Vibrant development, what proof is there that they haven't? If "intent is everything," what proof is there that they don't intend to develop CM for the Vibrant?
[Vibrant General] Goten310:
Alright whatever, it will be here when it gets here I guess. It is just getting to be a joke now to people who donated and waiting to the devs themselves.
[Vibrant General] redwolf313k:
Is messed up how cyanogen already has cm6 on his g2
[Vibrant General] Goten310:
Lol I saw that tweet from him also :) He got it on there in a few days and we have been waiting for months while the devs are passing the buck.
[Vibrant General] sykopompos:
Then ***** to samsung for a full release of their source. Reverse engineering is hard work and it takes a while to get everything fully working.

In regards to cyanogen having cm6 on his g2 is not a full rom, it is basicly like a live cd booting off the sdcard, there is so many things missing in it that it would never be able to boot on its own.

Also working on an htc device is a lot easier than samsung by a long shot, when you build a htc based kernel it will compile all the way. Try building a samsung kernel and it will fail out because the code for rfs is missing.

You can't expect this development all to work overnight unless the manufactor supplies all the parts if they did you will prob have your rom built within a few days
[Vibrant General] sykopompos:
The build on the g2 is a generic build meaning it is an emulator build and has no specific hardware bits in it. It is the worst way to run a rom since it is not running off the nand but instead the sdcard and is very slow and will wear the sdcard out quicker
[Vibrant General] All~G1:
Wouldn't this also mean that in the case there is a bad boot or shut down you would run the chance of corrupting the sd? Meaning no more boot? Loss of all data, reformatting the sd & starting all over?

Hmmm... G1, meet G2... Lol.

*edit: and by bad shut down I mean something as simple as the phone shutting off during a app install or some type of write cycle
[Vibrant General] tissimo:
Haha, reading all these people cry and complain makes me laugh.

But really though, either help out of sit quietly and wait.
[Vibrant General] sykopompos:
Yes it could corrupt very easily even cyanogen said it is the worst way possible to boot a rom. it is really booting off the sdcard on top of the base system in a sense
[Vibrant General] sykopompos:
That is why most devs left xda because of the crying and complaining and having to answer a question or address something over and over again.

Very ungratefull people that are extremely impatient, getting any samsung builds to compile from source is a nightmare and that is speaking from trying. Samsung goes out of their way to block us from modding the phone yet people cry about motorola's locked bootloader and the g2 nand chip when if anyone should be getting cried about is samsung. At least motorola, htc and lg all provide fully working code and don't rip large sections of code out making it impossible to build without a ****load of work
[Vibrant General] Viralblack:
For reference, CM6.1 is a work in progress, with the recient kernel releases for i9000 and other sources such as the captivate 2.2 release progress will continue. There is no ETA and/or release date, but it is coming.

http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/8302-the-state-of-the-galaxy/
[Vibrant General] s15274n:
God this thread is such a fail.

Not only are most of you way out of line, and wrong, BUT...

You guys have insulted about every developer. Seriously people, these guys do this for free. Show some respect.
[Vibrant General] tundra84:
My sentiments exactly. It's pathetic, this phone is already amazing. With any of the many lag fixes, it's spectacular. With froyo, which is inevitable, it will be exemplary so stop complaining about how long it's taking for our amazing super phones to become exemplary! *goes back to watching v for vendetta on my amazing samsung vibrant*

Altho that gps issue was a load of crock I will admit, at least it's behind us now!

Sent from my Samsung Vibrant using the XDA app. You may thank Swype for any and all grammar errors.
[Vibrant General] RobBull69:
+1, if I was a dev threads like this would seriously make me reconsider ever putting together a Vibrant Rom again
[Vibrant General] s15274n:
Exactly, agreed man.
[Vibrant General] g1ftmfw:
Devs, forget the assholes that continue proving their stupidity via insults... we who know what you do, have done, and will continue to do, we greatly appreciate it and unfortunately some impatient cry babies have nothing to add but to vomit the same retarded sad **** their lives are madewith onto these forums.... all of you that wanna witch hunt and complain about development either roll up your sleeves and help or SHUT THE **** UP AND LEAVE TROLL!
[Vibrant General] kizer:
I'll rant once and get it out of my system.

Why does everybody hold CM on a pedestal? We have Devs that deliver on a daily basis and yet people keep asking for CM6.1. However you look at the signatures of everybody demanding CM6.1 they are running Either Eugenes or Bionix, but yet some still call them Winzip Devs? What the heck is up with that? Lets see you *****ers do some coding on your and contribute instead of firing up Recovery and flashing somebody else's work.
[Vibrant General] jamesyl:
I think perhaps 1% of the folks complaining in this thread actually understood what the original post quoted. For the other 99%, read this quote:

Thank you for clearing that up. I think most people here don't understand how project-based software engineering works.
[Vibrant General] sykopompos:
No problem, stumbled upon this thread by accident. No I do not have a galaxy s phone nor do I plan and getting on, after the behold 2 fiasco and also trying to get some development done on it you realize that to work on a samsung is hard because there are large bits of code missing making that source code close to useless and I have look thru the galaxy s source codes and they are just as bad as the behold 2. All I can say is good luck devs working on this project cause I know the chances of being bald after this is high
[Vibrant General] Kubernetes:
Jesus, do you have difficulty dealing with life?

Just in one post you:

1) Insult Sombionix by claiming he doesn't really do much,

2) Admit you don't know jack **** and then preemptively apologize in case you're wrong, and then

3) Have the chutzpah to claim that you're just trying to clear up misconceptions.

The lawyer in me just read that and I almost dropped my phone.
[Vibrant General] Trev420:
I agree. What a piece of ****.

These devs put in alot of time into their work and to hear some one say stuff like that makes me sick.

Bionix roms are way different then what they are "built" with. there's alot more involved then just zips.

That's like saying every game built off the same game engine are the same.
[Vibrant General] RobBull69:
Calling Sombionix a winzip dev is definitely not cool. Like Eugene, he'll actually go through a thread and see what problems people are running into and fix bugs. That's saying a lot considering all the crying, complaining and off topic posts. Most "winzip devs" wind up leaving a trail of unfinished, buggy roms, which he does not do. Just my .02.

Getting back on topic, it looks like Kies updates have started for the i9000. Hopefully, Sammy will have some test builds for the Vibrant leaking out soon to give CM and other devs a base to build off of.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/15/galaxy-s-android-2-2-froyo-update-begins-to-trickle-out/
[Vibrant General] hydrogenman:
this threads full of various bits of fail

The attacks against Bionix are unfair....and the attacks against teamdouche are really unfair.
[Vibrant General] SykesAT:
Shame on all of those who criticize any of the devs. If someone is producing something that makes our phones better, that's great. Whether you like it or not is besides the point.

Contribute, learn, stfu or gtfo.

You don't have to be a dev to contribute, ans some noobs questions in the Q&A section, test some of the roms and give constructive feed back, donate or generally show the devs some appreciation.
[Vibrant General] icandy75:
Amen, I can't code or help much but unlike some of these people I am very grateful for all the hard work put in by those that can. If Sammy is to blame then so be it but given their history we all knew this wait was a very likely possibility. I for one enjoy flashing Roms and tinkering with my phone. Those of you that don't probably shouldn't even be here let alone badmouthing the guys who work hard to give us what Sammy should have.... just my two cents.
[Vibrant General] Insomaniac10:
BEFORE YOU READ THIS AND WANT TO FLAME ME, JUST KNOW THAT THIS IS NOT DIRECTED AT CM, IT IS DIRECTED AT THE MINDSET THAT SOME PEOPLE ARE IMPLYING THAT THEY HAVE. WHETHER THEY HAVE IT OR NOT WHO KNOWS.

The only point I was trying to make is: Is it that hard to take 5min to make a post on Vibrant XDA forum with an update. Just to show gratitude towards your "donators". I mean what are you trying to say, just because you can create a ROM and we cant, youre allowed to sacrafice decency?

At this point im just debating with you, because i could honestly care less about CM as I am perfectly happy with Bionix. Ive never donated to any development, but i dont like your mindset. it is douchebag. And if that is actually their mindset, you can be sure they would lose A LOT of donations, so i guess maybe its better they keep their mouths shut. Developing for a handset does not entitle you. You arent saving any lives. If youre going to have the balls to even ask for a donation, then have the balls to update people who were curteous enough to fund your project. Plain and simple. No one is asking them to come to each and every one of our homes and personally brief us on their development. A simple post would suffice.

However, us modest users (non-devs) may have created the monster. Maybe if we werent always foaming at the mouth with impatience for new mods, some developers wouldnt have this complex.

I have the utmost respect for developers who work during their own time to produce things for the community and never ask for a thing. Are they douches? Maybe a little bit, but normally not really, they just get fed up with our stupidity. Thats fine.

However, when you start asking for money, things need to get a little more intimate. It is no longer FREE time, its FUNDED time. At that point its give-and-take. There is absolutely no way youre supposed to be able to get awaywith asking for blind donations. But I guess we only have ourselves to blame for that.

Lets look at it this way: If I PMed a dev who was asking for donations and asked him exactly where my money was going to go, he would probably ignore me and my one donation. HOWEVER, if EVERYONE asked that before hand, things would be much different. Then the dev would realize that even thought hes contributing his free time to better everyone elses experience, you cant expect to be financially supported unless youre willing to communicate what exactly is being funded.

In conclusion, shame on blind donators, and shame on those who recieve donations and walk away.
[Vibrant General] SykesAT:
Owning a handset does not entitle you.

Donating does not entitle you.

Being on XDA does not entitle you.

that being said, I do, to some degree, agree with your first sentence, "Is it that hard to take 5min to make a post on Vibrant XDA forum with an update." It would be nice to get the occasional official update, but we are not entitled to it.

I think you have some points but it's unfortunate how you present yourself. You come across as quite aggressive, unappreciative and, for lack of a better word, entitled. :D
[Vibrant General] Insomaniac10:
i have nothing to be appreciative for (in terms of this particular topic). i am perfectly happy with the way my phone is. I run Bionix and ive praised him on numerous occasions. He doesnt ask me for anything, and i dont hassle or complain to him and i thank him whenever he betters my experience. Thats your ideal dev-user relationship. I perfectly undertsand my place in the modding world.

PS did you not read my post disclaimer?? I am not directing this at CM. Its the mindset that floats around the modding world that ive seen quite a few times and it makes me uneasy. Ego often comes into play when it comes to developing, and THAT is where iget the word "entitled". Am i saying every dev is like that? ABSOLUTELY NOT. please dont misunderstand what i am trying to say, im not generalizing,

PPS Im not sure if youre familiar with JRodd...hes strong dev for the Cliq and several other devices which i believe includes the Nexus. But he likes to say "I will never donate to you, nor will I ever ask you to donate to me." All it does is create confusion because no one knows how to handle it. The word "donation" is just a word, but really what it SHOULD be is a committment on both ends. IM NOT SAYING CM ISNT COMMITTED, PLEASE DONT ATTACK ME SAYING THAT I SHOULDNT BE CRITICIZING CM. Im simply criticizing things ive seen before.
[Vibrant General] xplanowestx:
I actually agree with both your posts. I do not see him as being entitled to anything based on what he has said. The only thing he doesn't really even ask for, but mentions, is a update here and there on progress. I don't post on these forums much at all and merely sit in the background because most of what goes on in these forums is people complaining about devs and such not delivering. Like he stated, nobody is entitled to anything, however, when money starts getting thrown out there, that's when people start thinking its owed to them. This is why i do not and will not donate. If they want to develop do it for themselves or whatever else, but bringing money into the relationship just makes it another business looking to make a buck. Just my 2 cents.
[Vibrant General] d_bot:
meh dont care. MORE than happy with Eugene, Sombionix, JAC, and King's work. Just waiting for Froyo on Vibrant and for them to work their magic...