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[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SMARTPHONEPC:
Hey Gforum, I posted this in Q&A Saturday & http://androidforums.com/htc-evo-4g/200765-question-day-get-evo-wait-something-better.html but am looking for more honest, experienced community feedback->market insight so I post it here now:

Amazon's current price is $99.99 (with new service plan+activation fee credit for up to $36 through 11:59 p.m. PDT October 18, 2010) & Sprint's ETF is listed at $200 through month 4 minus $10/mo prorate thereafter so I'm finally considering pulling the trigger on it but would appreciate some community feedback here.

The ETF is important since I want to know the exit strategy & potential total cost of ownership & have Wi-Fi available 90% of time so not sure that 10% MIA is worth $80+/month for 24 months (let's call that ~$2,000).

Frankly I would dump the EVO in a heartbeat when a handheld comes out with similar specs + projector (battery challenge yup:) yet I wouldn't be surprised to see a follow-up to the Samsung Beam soon).

Questions:

1) Order Question-Will Amazon let me enter Sprint Service Discount Codes & anyone care to share something better than 10% that is easy to use or must one call Sprint after order?

2) Is Wi-Fi reception still an issue for EVO? :mad:

3) Still SD card issues? :confused:

4) Video+Audio recording quality still questionable (compression codec issue-as photos seem quite nice)? :eek:

Is the following what I should expect or can it be improved:

HTC EVO Video test - Part I

HTC EVO Video test - Part II (Golden State Bridge)

HTC EVO 4G Camera Test - Part III (Front-facing camera)

iphone 4 vs. HTC EVO vs. Flip UltraHD video test

Smartphones HD Camcorder Video Samples (long)

Many Thanks:cool:,
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] supchaka:
Its a phone. Not a life changing purchase.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SMARTPHONEPC:
If it was just a phone, I wouldn't bother..

I'm looking for feedback on a handheld computer with carrier phone functionalty..

If Sprint wasn't requiring user to sign a 24 month contract costing owner thousands of dollars or it worked on many carriers it would be an easier call.

Thanks for the smile supchaka but I'm looking for a bit more market insight.. :):rolleyes:
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Award Tour:
If you're looking for a phone that'll last you through the next two years I wouldn't get the EVO. Aside from having a large display and some nice features (HDMI, 4G, kickstand, FFC), it's a pretty dated device. The phone is almost half a year old, and even when it was released, the GPU was already old and out performed by it's peers. The camera is not that great either but then again HTC almost always lags behind with that.

There's no doubt that I'd recommend to wait; but if you're set on Sprint you might have to wait a couple of months before something high end comes out.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SMARTPHONEPC:
That's what the critic in me is skeptical about hence ETF talk but I'm surprised not to see more options on the horizon..

I was hoping the camcorder quality could be improved upon by now.

Shouldn't we have heard more about devices to become available by the holidays as I'm not sure I want to wait another 3,4,5,6 months..

Appreciate the feedback,
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] overclockxp:
As Martin Cooper said, today's cell phones do a lot buy don't do any of them well. Who's Martin Cooper? Just the inventor of the cell phone.

I figure if I need a video camera I'll get my video camera. If I need a real camera I'll get my SLR. My phone will do in a pinch.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] surrealmethod:
You are usually given a chance at least once a year to get out of the ETF. Just wait till Sprint changes some policy in the contract and you are given 30 days to walk out.

Sprint also offers the cheapest rates compared to the other big name carriers. Just open a a small savings at a credit union and save 10% of your bill. Go online and find a sprint referral link and you'll be saving 15%... if you know someone that works at Chase, then try to work with them so you could be saving 24%.

There will always be something better in the future. If you wait for the next big thing, you might hesitate and wait or the next thing to follow that.

As far as your other questions, I have never had SD problems, wifi problems, or any issues taking pics or video. If anything, my phone has become a great tool for me on my jobsite.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SMARTPHONEPC:
I don't really buy that argument, the real appeal is that it's a convergence device.:cool:

I hear you regarding its potential utility. While I would be on the watch for such an out of ETF I shouldn't count on it so I'll assume ETF worst case scenario. I should be able to add Sprint discount after purchase even if Amazon doesn't let me right ?:eek:

Now "Availability: Usually ships within 8 - 9 business days. Ships from and sold by Amazon.com." is kind of a bummer..
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] supchaka:
I guess the contracts don't mean much to me because I've been with sprint for as long as I can remember. I get an additional 20% off through my work so I'm not going anywhere. I have 5 lines and they all have different expire dates so I can grab a new phone pretty much whenever. Take an upgrade and swap the number. Also being a premiere customer they give you yearly upgrades on the primary line.

So I didn't take into consideration other peoples scenarios may not be the same as mine. I'm very grateful for that now because historically I haven't kept a phone for more than about 6 months
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mbaseball3:
Just wanna say, I get your in depth thinking about a purchase, but really you are just thinking to much into it. Like others have touched on, in a short time the Evo will be old news. The phone that takes its place will be old news by summer next year. Phone tech is what, 4 months now? Just do as a ton of us do, pick a phone that suits you best for the time being. Because you'll want the new device next year. I thought the sprint hero was bad ass last year. But the Evo this year is badass. Either satisfy your urge for awesomeness now, or wait a couple months and be the first with the new end thing.

Sent from my Evo
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] achllles:
You can always wait for better product, or you can buy the Evo today and enjoy it now. It's just matter of preference.

My gripes are poor battery life, extra 10 bucks monthly fee, and poor glass adhesive on LCD (I had glass lifting problem, and got a replacement after 2 week usage), but what it can do still out weighs the negatives.

Yes, the Evo is 6 months old, but it still can do and look better than many recent models that's out there right now.

FYI, I glanced at Epic at the store when I bought Evo on 10/1, and wasn't sold at all since it was very close to Touch Pro 2's look.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Award Tour:
Really the only thing that really holds back the EVO is the GPU. Even the original Droid outperforms it. To invest into that NOW, not mention the next year or two, is just not a smart move when you can wait a few more months for something that is more future proof. If it weren't for the GPU I'd be saying the same thing as the last two posters but... I can't.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] treckin:
Just FYI the above only really applies if and when you game on you phone. I have quake and the major gameloft titles, but I have to say in the end I personally would never buy a phone based on its ability to play games.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] creyc:
If you're not a gamer, the GPU thing really makes little to no difference. Then again if you're really into games you'd probably use dedicated hardware for that, like a DS or PSP.

The only games I find myself playing on my phone are simple, but addictive arcade style games. Bejewled, tetris, angrybirds and solitaire for the most part. Hardly taxing on the GPU!

The big screen will still be big, even 2 years down the road. It will still be a great device for browsing the web, checking email and messaging, and the GPS functionality is top notch. I'm really not worried about the device being horribly antiquated too soon, and 4G is only just starting to pop up around here so my experience has been consistently getting better.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Award Tour:
It's not only about games. How will the GPU hold up once Android gets more UI intensive (and it will)? I'd rather be on the safe side.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lehalter:
No matter what phone you get it will be outdated soon after you purchase it. What do you want from a phone. Evo does everything I want since it is rooted.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SMARTPHONEPC:
I do like 3D graphics but I currently don't really game on them. Honestly I haven't seen one engaging enough to hold my attention for more than a few minutes & if I did I'd still probably feel like I was wasting time (idle guilt;))..

However I do like shooting videos which is the main reason I considered the iPhone 4 but in the end I vastly prefer the open customizability of Android & integration with google services not to mention larger screen (hopefully I won't regret its 16 bit color). I'll likely have to develop for both platforms.

Only reason I use an iPhone 3GS now is because it was a gift but I'm mostly bored with it. I gather most on these forums are not entirely bored with their EVO..

I do wonder how pervasive tablets will become and to what extent they will take over smartphone functionality..(at least an EVO still fits in a shirt pocket)

Are you currently using an EVO? I do think there will be some cool market developments but unless there is news in the next 24 hours, I may not want to continue waiting.

BTW, Are the Sprint Taxes & Surcharges laughable? -Thanks
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Award Tour:
Yes, I'm currently using a EVO, got it in June and will trade up once a new high end HTC Android (and maybe the WP7 TP7) phone hits Sprint.

Edit: This post illustrates the GPU gap between the EVO (Nexus One has the same GPU), it's competitors (PowerVR - Galaxy S shown here but Motorola uses a version that is inbetween the EVO and Galaxy S), and current HTC phones. Ask yourself if you want to get stuck with specs which are already WAY behind.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SMARTPHONEPC:
I played with an EVO on launch day for a couple hours, wasn't sold on it but I think it's significantly better now with updates+2.2 (except its camcorder output sadly).

That link was cool, would have liked to see how it ran on Nexus also but it appears better GPUs are coming to high end smartphones for reasons beyond gaming..

Are the Sprint Taxes & Surcharges -not- laughable then? No complaints about Sprint? Thoughts on WiMax->2 vs LTE?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SMARTPHONEPC:
I'm surprised there isn't more on the following (wonder if I could happily wait without more news):

Gorgeous, mysterious, EVO-ish HTC device headed for Verizon

HTC Desire HD heading to Verizon Wireless?

http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/30/verizon-scoop-extravaganza-motorola-venus-with-portrait-qwerty/

Desire HD looks nice (hope they don't omit the kickstand for USA):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9WbNkWQGxU&NR=1

Next gen EVOs coming soon-before new year-roadmaps-carriers-must know:cool:?
[HD2 General] smokeingit:
so are you truly getting 3g speed? this sounds promising.
[HD2 General] Bigcountryed:
Yes sir, I sure am, it displays the H icon, so I know its the HSDPA speed, which is alittle faster then 3G...however, i'm not sure if its the new HSDPA+ that you might have been hearing lately. I say that because, I dont believe WM have a status icon to show you that (because the technology is so new), so my theory is that, IF the HD2 supports it, AND its is getting the HSDPA+ signal, it'll still show the H icon at the top right of the device. But to answer your question, its DEFINITELY gets the high speed, because its still using the same towers! :D
[HD2 General] kidrythm:
I have friend that works in one of those smokes, cell, and gun stores and he has been trying to get me into this program.

It's good to go and legit.

Unfortunately I am only 6 months into my new 2 year contract...had to for my $190 Leo.

dangit.

:(
[HD2 General] calc:
I believe this has been discussed many times already.....

Simple mobile does not provide unlimited data. I believe it's still capped at 1GB/month. Which is a big no no for people who like to tether and abuse the network.....
[HD2 General] Paten:
So your saying their "Unlimited Everything Talk, Text & Web" plan, which is labeled as "New", is not actually unlimited?
[HD2 General] calc:
http://consumerist.com/2010/07/simple-mobile-unlimited-data-plan-is-of-course-secretly-limited.html

http://www.prepaidreviews.com/blog/mvno/simple-mobile-limits-unlimited-data-plan-36148/

Both reported and the end of July of this year.... so unless something has changed in 3 months time, NO it is not unlimited.

I mean really............. just think about it for a minute, do you really think T-Mobile is going to allow another company to use their network and infrastructure all the while having them undercut their own prices too.....not to mention the toll and expense of all pushing out all that bandwidth at "unlimited" rates.
[HD2 General] Bigcountryed:
All I can do , is speak from my experience. Since having this service, I KNOW that I used more than 1GB (stream music all day, watch YouTube, use it for general internet browsing, and logging into my Orb media server at home, and streaming TV from my PC). So I would definitely consider myself a above average data user, and have not once, been capped or throttled (trust, I would be *****ing and complaining, with everyone else). I've even checked my usage online to see it and its a little under 2Gigs of data transfer, and everything is ok. I not sure if maybe I have a magic bean, VIP, IMEI on my device (joke-e-joke :D) , which is given unlimited data usage, without penalty, or maybe they've modified their contract and upped the data usage cap or something. Again, I can only speak from my personal experiences, within the last 3 months, reguarding my device and service. I don't use my phone for tethering, but I do consider myself a heavy data usage user and not had any problems regarding their quality of service thus far.
[HD2 General] q-killer:
Get rid of the unlimited voice and txt, then with this guide I wrote:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=19619155#post19619155

You can cut your phone bill even more sharply. I'm paying about ~$20/month right now depending on my voice usage when out and about.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Bladyle:
This is my first ROM here and it's Rogers 2.1 without Sense :)

Features:

carz12

latest kernel - up to 710MHz

Ad-hoc networks support

Zipaligns all new apps on boot

Moved dalvik-cache to cache for more space for apps

Boot sound removed!

Added LauncherPro and ADW Launcher so you have to choose one of them in first boot

Added EStrong File manager

Added Brut Google Maps

CIME keyboard included (as a separate update)

Wireless Tether (to /data/app)

Ads free

Live wallpaper support

Startup Wizard -> No wizard at first boot! (Useless?) Add accounts by Settings -> Accounts & Sync!

Full changelog of ALL removed files coming up at a later point.

Install instruction:

Full wipe

Install

Reboot

Choose default launcher

Sign in with your accounts from the menu

Flash

dalvik_to_cache.zip

if you don't use custom MTD partition

Download:

Bludy_0.3_ML 152FFB819A69B4D48B77AF8186CC57CB

Bludy_0.3 482d8e4803284eb18a7ce34a7ada762d

Bludy_0.2 f434ca80a4bb24fbbf63da82e52b8057

Transparent lockscreen (for v0.2)

Changelog:

v0.3

Carz kernel updatet to latest (perflock free - use SetCPU to change your min/max)

Transparent lockscreen by default

Ad-hoc network support

(make ad-hoc networks appear as regular APs with a (*) prefix)

News and Weather mod by me

(see the screenshots)

NEW YouTube application from Gingerbread

(see the screenshots)

Wireless Tether updated

LauncherPro updated

ADW Launcher updated

Quick system info updated

Host file updated

Move dalvik-cache to cache option for users who don't use custom MTD partition

some more changes

Addons and removed stuffs:

Mail - if you use Microsoft Exchange Support (included in ML)

Voice - includes Voice Dialer and Voice Search (included in ML)

YouTube - standart 2.1 YouTube application if you don't like or have problems with other one

The ROM is ~130MB so you can use it with custom MTD partition and get abaout 300MB data space. If you have interested I can include it in ROM like klothius do.

Most Credits go to: klothius, capychimp and carz12 for the help.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] proxuser:
rom is fast and usable.

i have a problem. i cant change language.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Bladyle:
You can use MoreLocale 2 from the market to set your country, but the this rom is not multi language for now
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Rugga:
I think you mean "ad free".

I think it's terrible, developers spent a lot of time creating great apps, the least we can do is support them by showing the ads...

If people really have that little data allowance, they can easily install the application if they choose, but I think it is wrong to include it in the ROM.

Just my opinion :)
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] capychimp:
nice another new rom :) congrats man
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] pgordash:
Does this use the Sense lock screen or is it the standard Android one?

Thanks,

Paul
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] proxuser:
sense lock screen.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Bladyle:
yes, sense one :)

And if you guys have suggestions just say it :)
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] wjsturgis3:
Congratulations on starting your own thread with this ROM. It saves me a lot of time searching for posts concerning your Bludy ROM

The ROM is running just fine for me, no sleep death or other problems at all. I flashed the mtd with 150 3 parameters and have 172 MB free in data/cache. No need to integrate it with the ROM ala Smoki. I just love the speed without the sense baggage.

If you are looking for things to do, I would like the transparent lockscreen back. It now uses /system/customize/resource/htc_wallpaper_01_lockscreen.jpg which I can overwrite with one more to my liking but not the transparent one I would prefer.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Bladyle:
Thank you wjsturgis3.

Transparent lockscreen will be in the next release. Actualy I'm trying to get back the stock lockscreen from 2.2 but with it power menu is broken ..

And you can use higher parameters. I use it with 175 3 and have 20MB free in /system
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] dhruvnukul:
nice job Bladyle i was looking for senseless ecliar Rom ......downloading

thanks i will give try
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Bladyle:
Thanks man :)

Thing to do:

Transparent lock screen (or stock one) and maybe update to move dalvik-cache to cache for those who don't use MTD partition.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] lubu63:
I'd love stock lockscreen but I know it's not that simple...

anyway, how is battery life compared to Sense ?
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Bladyle:
Ok I made a non wipe update for the transparent lockscreen but can't test it right know. So test it and replay :)

I will work for stock lockscreen later.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] wjsturgis3:
Works great, thanks much. BTW, I removed several apps that I do not use and with my 150 3 mtd setting I have 16.7MB free in system. The apps are DCSStock.apk, Facebook.apk, HTC_CIME.apk and Talk.apk.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Bladyle:
Thanks wjsturgis3. Will upload it to first page. And I wondering which apps to remove for next release :D
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] wjsturgis3:
I don't know. DCSStock for sure since you deleted Stock.apk. It's easy enough for anyone to remove what they don't want. Anything available in the Market should be left out.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Nighte:
It works great so far!

Just out of curiosity, is it possible to get the widgets from LaucherPro for free or is it possible to get prettier widgets? The stock ones are really boring!

Also, could a transluent/transparent dropdown bar be possible?

A problem I found is that when typing in a password, it always jumps back up to where the user id was.

Please keep updating!;)
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Bladyle:
You have to bay the LauncherPro + if you want to use the widgets..sorry. But if you search in the market you will see that there is almost everything you need :)

I will post update with a transparent dropdown but I think stock is more good :P

Try this for transparent status bar:
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Bladyle:
New version soon :)
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] zarelli:
great how about stock lockscreen?
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Bladyle:
no vanilla lockscreen :(
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] yigal778:
rom not work

roms stuck when its load up i dont why :mad:

tell know if know about the bug !!!!
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] :
How's the camera and video recording on this rom?
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Bladyle:
I use the official 2.1 ..so no problems :)
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] joesounds:
Hello all, this rom is amazing, thanks Bladyle for this, but i have one problem, my lockscreen doesn't work.. i press power button+menu, or power button+slide touch and sometimes doesn's unlock...and brake a few seconds. Please Bladyle help me, because i like very much this rom. Congrats nice job.

My Phone:

Phone: HTC Magic 32A

SPL: 1.76.2007

Radio: 6.35.16.19

recovery-RA-hero-v1.6.2.img

;)

PS: I install this rom without any EXT Partition.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] nussie:
wake issue

Hi, this is a common problem with OC kernels. You should try to set the lower frequency in setcpu to no less than 480kHz, and the higher frequency to anything over 480kHz. This should solve any "wake" issues!

Good luck

Waiting for the new bludy version!
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] joesounds:
Hi,

But how i do this change?? i can't change this issue.

thanks for the help.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] linux33it:
install this kernel

http://www.multiupload.com/TS8CSHGBCG
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] joesounds:
Ok, i will retry, this is the default kernel?

Can someone post this ROM with the default HTC Magic Kernel.

Thanks

PS: How install this ROM? Flash Bludy ROM, Transparent Lock screen and finally Kernel Link, and Reboot, right??
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] linux33it:
yes.....................
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] eginu:
Hi, I think this ROM should be good, so I transfer a copy to hiapk.com, What I want to know is when you update it for multi-language?
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Bladyle:
I'm working on new update and if it's working good will try to make it ML
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] joesounds:
Hi Bladyle, i have a new problem with this rom, i can't sync wih HTC sync, and other sync method, the phone just charge.. any solution?

Somebody help me?

Thanks
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] aKiLL3r:
Hello Bladyle, I'm using your rom for a week: it's the best rom I ever used, it's so smooth and it doesn't crash ever! Thanks a lot!

I've a question: i know bludy is your first rom, so can you tell me if is possible to insert the original android's lockscreen (vanilla) in this rom? (i'm using lockbot, or lock 2.0, goto, widgetlocker, but all have a sort of lag...)

Thanks in advance, and continue to work for this rom: it's great!

Bye!

Dave
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] BigTicket1989:
Well, from China, I'm a freshman on XDA and this is my first post. While I can't see what's exactly in the rom cause it's been downloaded at a very low speed, I couldn't help wondering how could a rom without those Sense widgets and services be as big as 140MB? Lots of softwares installed inside already? Surprised and looking forward.