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[EVO 4G General] fachadick:
The issue is when people say stuff like this;

without understanding what the issue is. Here’s the deal - the data is unlimited. As in absolutely and truly unlimited. This has nothing to do with the $10 fee either – the data is unlimited because of the Everything Data plans that the EVO requires. However, that data is only unlimited when you abide by the terms and conditions of the contract that you entered into when you started service. Among other things, this means that you get unlimited data as long as you’re on network, and if tethering, you’re paying the $29.99 fee for the hotspot feature. The term abuse comes into play because of all of the people who rooted to get free thethering, and use that to the extreme, either as their home internet, or just simply to see how much they can actually download in a month (as in 50-100+ GB/month). To go back to your analogy, all you can eat buffets are “all you can eat” as long as you follow the terms of the buffet – meaning you have to eat within the restaurant. They won’t allow you to back your truck up and load it with food from the buffet to take home.

And hey! Welcome back werx! I was wondering when you’d show up and start pointlessly calling people out again. :D

edit - and as a reminder, nobody has ever indicated that they were taking your unlimited data away. If the rates for unlimited data do change, or they decide to do away with it completely, that would apply to new customers sighning new contracts.
[EVO 4G General] gqstatus0685:
Companies want to make more money on overages. As these phones get more advanced you'll see more people using more data.

With faster speeds you're promoting more data traffic.

Sent while sitting on the toilet.
[EVO 4G General] Makdasamurai:
Hey guys,

I work for sprint and from what i was told by our Sales Support people there is no cap on the evo or epic for data.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Of course, and with the advancement of technology unlimited is too expensive to pay for so it must be capped (unfortunately). This issue did not exist 7 years ago when these phones did not exist.

Here are the terms and conditions everyone signed with Sprint

I'm not saying I agree with it, but put yourself in their shoes. You create a company from the ground up and give "unlimited data" to everyone. Then you have a select few morons out there that want to test this "unlimited" and run up your bill month after month after month cause you to have a loss in profit, what do you do? Instead of spending money on resources to stop these few, you simply put a stop to everyone. Simple and inexpensive.
[EVO 4G General] fachadick:
Right, as long as you're in sprints restaurant, they have no right to cancel your data, as long as you follow the rules of their restaurant.

It's so nice to be noticed :)

Sent from my blah blah blah blah
[EVO 4G General] Crotchety:
That is such a load of farm fresh cow ****. It's either unlimited or it's not, period. When your customers are paying for what you bill as unlimited data, you don't get to say "unlimited so long as you don't use too much". It takes me no time to exceed 5GB with no tethering or anything outside of my contract terms. I'm not trying to test the limits of Sprints unlimited data, but if I choose to then it's my right as a customer to pays for it. If I use 100GB in a month then so what. If they have a problem with that then they should not have sold it to me as unlimited, but they did and they're still calling it unlimited. So if they actually do try to throttle or cap the unlimited data customers then they'd be vulnerable to class action for outright fraud. Of course they can cap/throttle for new customers but those of us who already have unlimited data are guaranteed to keep it at least through the end of our contracts. Until then, Sprint has nothing to complain about in regards to those who use high amounts of data while staying within the terms of their contract. Sprint made their bed now they can lay in it.
[EVO 4G General] verse187:
If Sprint says unlimited than they mean unlimited and if you guys are not using your unlimited then go ATT or Verizon plain and simple
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
That's the kind of attitude that pushed the other carriers to data caps and throttling. I'm not saying that using a lot of data is bad but I've seen posts from people who use a lot of data just to make a statement. That kind of behavior doesn't help anybody.

The only thing that matters are the terms, and even then, Sprint can change the terms and waive the ETF for you. And if the previous poster was correct, the terms already say that they can cap you if they experience too much load. That's the way things are and it's only going to get worse as more people get smart phones and pull down Sprint's network.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
The main issue is nobody reads their terms and conditions. They sold it to you as "unlimited within reasonable usage" not as "unlimited as a mad scientist". Nothing on this earth is unlimited, I don't understand why cellphone users think they are some kind of exception.

This is how it is, whether you like it or not and if you don't like it, leave. If you do like it, stop abusing it so we can all continue to enjoy it.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
This guy is hilarious... he claims so much money constantly, yet continuously cries over $10. I guess me posting the terms and conditions makes him feel crunchy.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
So i'll try to educate you once more. They pay a lump sum for a certain amount not an "unlimited" amount. This "amount" they pay for assumes that users will stay within that amount. As more retards like you test the unlimited theory, the company is charged overages, and must make up this money somehow. They usually bite the bullet for a while, until they can no longer afford to. So what happens? Little things

Airaves are no longer free for EVERYONE.

Discounts are removed from additional lines

Data is capped/throttled

Monthly recurring credits are pulled from all accounts

Agent credit limits are lowered

Upgrade resets are no longer done at will

Care for me to keep going?

If "unlimited" truly existed, there would not be overages, for anybody, calling or data, period.

Btw here's my bill cutey pie
[EVO 4G General] srtpusher:
i like the buffet example, it really works. we just have not taken it far enough. all of the examples assume an endless supply of food. if someone comes into a buffet and eats up all the food, the buffet will run out. if too many people come into a buffet, the food will run out and the store will close early.

in business, supply and demand states, the price is too low. they need to raise the price to slow consumption or increase supply to meet demand. but supply can be limited. there are only so much a tower can handle. so even if sprint bought more bandwidth, they would start to have capacity issues. so, the former takes place. raise prices to slow consumption. we as users can delay this by using reasonable amounts of data and paying for services that we use (tethering data).

i find it funny so many people are against socialism, but unlimited data on a cell network is basically the same thing. everyone pays the same, but some don't really use what they pay for and others abuse the system.

how many people on here are fighting for their unlimited, but are against the same system for health care?
[EVO 4G General] bharris25:
So to stick with analogies its kind of like if all the people that had gym memberships actually decided to go to the gym then there wouldn't be enough equipment for everyone... Bull****, Sprint is nowhere near that level. I'm a pretty heavy user and the only way to go over 5gb is streaming something or downloading torrents, not just web browsing or checking your email. Why throttle or cap if only 1% are going to be affected anyway? The only time I ever came close to going over 5gb in a month I was listening to a lot of internet radio.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
My brother is a idiot when it comes to tech, and he consumes a ton of data by streaming video and music. Most people already stream music, and video streaming will increase soon, then once you add video chat into the mix you now have a ton of data being used by millions of people.This kind of behavior is very accessible and I dont condone it, I just hate the dumb asses who are doing stupid things like seeding huge torrents.

But my point is that data usage is and will continue to increase as more and more people switch to smart phones that make this sort of behavior easy to do. Sprint was pretty much the cheapest (good) carrier you could get. We didn't get caps yet but we did get a data fee, and even with the data fee its still can be cheaper than the other carriers. I don't want caps or fees but as someone already said, nothing is really unlimited and sooner or later we'll see a market response that illustrates that point.

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[EVO 4G General] masbirdies:
Shroomz....Your arguement is valid with some exceptions...

When purchasing mobile phones, consumers read what the marketing and sales departments want them to...UNLIMITED. Even Dan Hesse gets on TV and touts UNLIMITED. There is no background voice such as required on a Car Sales ad stating all the "conditions" to the sale.

I've never, ever had a sales rep in any Sprint store explain or focus on the T's and C's. NEVER! And, it's because they don't. You buy the hype and deal with the T's and C's when the statement finally comes and there are charges you weren't made aware of. They bury the T's and C's in some folder or on the back of a document and NEVER say "now, let's review these so you have a great customer experience with us". NEVER!

So, most consumers get frosted over terms like UNLIMITED when the reality is buried in a document that takes a legal expert to decipher. Even if you read these documents during the front end sales process, most of it is incomprehensible to the consumer. Until you experience a "got-cha" moment (such as exceeding your reasonable limit on a UNLIMITED plan), the average person, even if they read it, would not have understood the implications.

All major corporations have legal teams that spend countless hours creating a one-sided document where-as the consumer has no access to the same resource to counsel on or explain the ramifications of accepting that agreement. Thus, you have a great number of individuals that promote class-action law suits and and even greater number that want to punch the lights out of their customer service reps when they refer to a document that is purposely over-complicated and under clarified to the consumer.

There in lies the breadth and depth of the entanglements you deal with on a daily basis. So, have a little more compassion guy! Your company, as with most corporations, know of the mess they are creating. You are part of the plan in how they mitigate the backlash....a pawn for those in the ivory tower.
[EVO 4G General] uniquenameevo:
Agreed. I have no issue with someone using 30 gigs a month, they pay for it. I get annoyed when someone uses 30 gigs and pushes the envelope "because they can". If you use it, use it. If you are downloading the same 2GB test file over and over and over...grow up.

The reality is, for every 30GB/month user, there are a thousand 2GB/month users (I pulled this number out of my ass, so it is as accurate as many statistics). The heavy users won't cause an issue as much as the "I wonder how hard I can beat on the network" jackasses.

Watch your video, listen to your music, download your roms. I don't care. If you are spending hours upon hours trying to figure out how to stick it to the man, realize that you are sticking it to the rest of us before the man will feel any pain. Your test files will slow us down. If we get throttled or capped, that's a lot less time you will have to spend downloading test files and giggling to yourself about it.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
This is the case with anything that comes with a contract. I let countless of people out of their contracts for various reasons that don't warrant a waiver. However it is your responsibility as an adult to know what youre purchasing. You are not a child, you should not need your hand held all your life and the excuse "i was not told" brings no compassion because as I said, you're an adult, do some research. If not, sit at the store for hours reading everything and call your lawyer when you don't understand something. (This is not directed at you personally, just speaking in general.) We can help you and fix the issue, ONCE, but after that you're on your own. People that call in constantly with the same issue are just abuser, like werxen. He broke his phone flashing crap, then proceeded to call in and demand a new phone instead of refurbished one and continues to call in for BS reasons. This is what you call an "abuser".

Sent from my Evo beeesshh
[EVO 4G General] werxen:
Yeah. I will keep doing it too because it just wraps your little panties in a bundle. You mad?
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Not at all. Why would I? You're not messing with my money or resources. Continue to do as you please, your account will be flagged soon. Remember werxen, thanks to people like you (as annoying as they are) my job is secure. Thanks to people like you, i'm able to make money and thanks to people like you, my monthly plan is free ;)
[EVO 4G General] engagedtosmile:
Hasn't T-Mobile always done this?
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
I'm pretty sure he isn't but I'm also going to guess that you will be when they decide to tighten up policies and raise fees.
[EVO 4G General] FattySparks:
Why don't you quit trolling these forums and go back iphoneforum.net and leave us to enjoy our Evos in peace without having to listen to arrogant, flaming, jerks like yourself?
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Apparently he likes it in the ass from men... Hes just mad hes the poorest ex-IT guy ever

Sent from my Evo beeesshh
[EVO 4G General] mrono:
I've pushed 7gb easy with tethering
[EVO 4G General] Crotchety:
wow...was that a major left turn or what?
[EVO 4G General] echoside:
So...much....ignorance....***shoots self***

*edit - Not directed towards OP or T-Mobile.
[EVO 4G General] heygrl:
Sprint will be going this route soon. You just watch. Not only will you get (edit)an extra $10 a month but you will also have at the least a 3G data restriction or throttle limit.. Sprint's 3G network can't the current data influx. Clearwire is throttling GASP!! "4G"! with all of it's spectrum and nonsense they talk up.

Edited for language
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
So which route would most of you rather go?

Verizon - $29.99 = unlimited 3G

$15 get's you 150MB of data

Every 150MB over that get's you an extra $15 charge

T-Mobile - throttles data after 5GB's of usage

AT&T - $25 = 2GB of data

$10 for every GB over 2GB

$15 = 200MB of data

$15 for ever 200MB over the 200MB limit

Sprint = Unlimited, period.

More than likely what will happen is throttled data like TMo on 3G, 4G will be kept unlimited (until further notice of course)
[EVO 4G General] 2k4mach:
i agree, i think i pulled about 4 gigs tethering while i was on vacation for a week.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Bbe1367:
ok, so i work for tmobile and i spoke to the tmobile vice president yesterday when he came in for a visit, and yes its true, the 5 gig limit to data service will be applied, once you go over 5 gig you will be throttled down to edge connection until your following month and also tethering will now be available as a feature which will cost 15 dollars a month, this will all go official real soon, so everyone who has been tethering on the side, sorry :(
[G2 and Desire Z General] Akulamenuri:
What do you mean by that last line?
[G2 and Desire Z General] MCbrian:
This is worse news for me by far. I tether only now-and-then, but I do use it, and I'd hate to have to pay extra for the few times I do...even though, yes, other carriers currently charge. :( :(
[G2 and Desire Z General] Mftek1:
This sucks! Well they are a business so I understand them charging for tethering but changing the cap to 5gb is pointless since tethering requires 15 bucks a month extra...

Sent from my T-Mobile G2
[G2 and Desire Z General] Futant:
I wonder if this applies to nexus one owners. I have had tethering for months on my nexus one have never neared the data cap. Why would I start paying monthly for a feature that I can get for free on my nexus one or for a 1 time fee from the app market for my G2?
[G2 and Desire Z General] Wraith272:
Pretty sure that when I signed up for service, I signed up for unlimited data and when I bought my phone, it advertised HSPA+ speeds. So if my phone can only do HSPA+ speeds for a while and T-Mobile wants to try to act like the internet is a depleteable resource. I will be returning my phone and cancelling all of my family's lines and finding a new carrier.
[G2 and Desire Z General] jashsu:
Air interface bandwidth is [a limited resource].
[G2 and Desire Z General] ImSoHungry:
Any of those carriers you switch to will have an even more expensive tethering fee. Best thing to do at this point is to root. I use my nexus when I want to wifi tether.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Gr8gorilla:
It sounds good and all but be sure to compare. Tmobile has a "fair" usage clause. They base what is fair usage on what the average data usage across the network is or something very similar to that. They never charge more for going over the cap, they just slow you down.
[G2 and Desire Z General] mark925:
I'm guessing that they will make the tethering official and roll out the OTA at the same time.
[G2 and Desire Z General] jashsu:
The majority of smartphone users likely don't crest 5GB usage. Those who do continue to have unlimited access at a slower speed. If this is unacceptable to them, they are free to terminate their accounts. As a moderate dataplan user, I'm perfectly fine with that, since in an unlimited scheme, moderate users are basically subsidizing the few outlier heavy users.
[G2 and Desire Z General] spovat:
I was fine with the 5gb reduction too but charging another 15/month on the "unlimited data" plan to tether? 45/month seems excessive. Need some new perspective.
[G2 and Desire Z General] sewred:
the cap is for web connect data plans, not for the unlimited plans connected to cell phones
[G2 and Desire Z General] krayshunist:
You do realize that once there are no more heavy outliers, you become the heavy outlier. When T-Mobile lowers the cap again to below your data usage, I guarantee you'll be the first to complain.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Smokexz:
What? Tethering won't be free? Sad face...

Sent from my T-Mobile G2
[G2 and Desire Z General] justinhub2003:
How are they gonna block stuff like PDAnet from being used? heck Id rather pay for their full version than to pay a monthly fee for 2 years..

Iphone tethering is only 10$.. I dont beleive it til i see it. Im thinking it will be free but just capped at 5gb before they throttle to stop people from abusing it
[G2 and Desire Z General] larryccf:
are you saying the 5GB cap will apply to customers on contract (and grandfathered customers free of contract) as well as prepaid customers? - the way that news release is worded, it appears to only apply or refer to prepaid customers.

any clairification appreciated
[G2 and Desire Z General] jashsu:
There will always be heavy outliers in a chart of users (whether in 1990, 2010 or 2100). The important question is whether the bar is above or below the average. Realistically speaking the bulk of those exceeding 5GB are probably tethering (I don't actually agree that tethering should be separate from the phone access, but that's a different discussion), so with the $15 tethering fee it might move the curve back even further under 5GB.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Arh1tekt:
Well, I just checked my month use on t-mobile's website and looks like i only used 1.7 GB for the whole month. Not bad since most of my heavy downloading is done through my residential internet connection anyways. I don't think that I'll ever reach 5GB..

I'm not worried.
[G2 and Desire Z General] ddgarcia05:
Can they just knock us off from a 10gig soft cap to a 5gig? Isn't there a grandfather clause kinda thing?

Besides, how would they know if i tether using pdanet. My data usage doesn't reflect how its being used.
[G2 and Desire Z General] xile6:
How does tmobile know if your tethering or not?
[G2 and Desire Z General] bsnelson:
If this is true, I have mixed feelings. The $15/mo is not really a bad price, and my tethering needs would fall WAY below the 5GB soft cap. At the same time the idealist in me says that it shouldn't matter whether those 5GB come from the phone itself or from tethering, but the realist in me knows that tether users will be more likely to use more data, since they're more likely to use bandwidth heavy applications with higher screen resolutions etc.

Considering that my alternative is to get a stand-alone MiFi-type device and pay $40/mo for "unlimited" data, I'd much rather pay the $15, not have to carry an extra device, yet stay below the 5GB limit. Count me as a whiner, but in. :)

Brad
[G2 and Desire Z General] krayshunist:
You're missing my point. When you remove the highest users, you shift the average down. If they set a hard cap at 500MB, people will change carriers, which will move the average to below 500MB by necessity.

Nonetheless, though, even 5GB is actually quite a bit. I tether regularly and I have never exceeded 800MB, so the 5GB doesn't affect me either, but I still hate the idea.
[G2 and Desire Z General] krayshunist:
They don't. It all looks like regular internet traffic like looking at websites from the browser, or using Dropbox, etc. Unless they decide to filter traffic based on the browser's user agent string, all they can do to enforce it is not give the the functionality to tether. PDAnet, for example, should still let you tether even when the $15/month takes effect.
[G2 and Desire Z General] cliffr39:
well this is disappointing since Loyalty and a store both told me yesterday that tethering was free when specifically asked about that and did not plan to charge extra for it in the upcoming G2 update (I know, stores are clueless, but would hope that Loyalty would have a little sense). I don't plan to use tethering, but it would be nice to know it's available (haven't used it on any of my other smartphones) without charge since it is processed the same as if the phone was surfing.
[G2 and Desire Z General] krayshunist:
lol, that thinking led to the SUV boom that cost the Big Three dearly. "I won't ever go off-roading, but it sure it nice to have that option!"
[G2 and Desire Z General] ddgarcia05:
Can they just softcap us off at 5gig if we're on a 10gig softcap. I thought we were grand fathered in?
[G2 and Desire Z General] minotauri:
if you read the contract that you signed... you'd see this:

To provide the best network experience for all of our customers we may temporarily reduce data throughput for a small fraction of customers who use a disproportionate amount of bandwidth.
[G2 and Desire Z General] MCbrian:
Well...how do Verizon and ATT control tethering -- which they charge extra for?

I don't have a clue if/how it's done...but it seems unlikely that ATT and Verizon are relying on the "honor system" to enforce their tethering charge.
[G2 and Desire Z General] cliffr39:
It is? This is what AT&T shows
[G2 and Desire Z General] cliffr39:
Not sure about AT&T but Verizon has two different usernames on the phone

regular phone data "dials in" with 8885551212@3g.vzw.net

tethering uses 8885551212@dun.vzw.net (or something similar, I don't recall exactly off hand).