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[Windows Phone 7 General] ericc191:
I'm a current Android user. N1, G1, G2. At first when I saw WP7, I thought it looked terrible. Slowly, though, I've grown to love how smooth and simple it's shaping up to be. I'm not saying Android isn't smooth and simple. It most definitely is. However, it also has a "unfinished" feel. The force closes and unpolished look of many apps are a bit annoying.

WP7 will come out of the gate lacking cut/paste and multi-tasking, but it already looks like a well thought out and finished product. Of course, I still need to play around with an actual WP7 device before I make the switch. I'm with T-Mobile, so it looks like my only option will be the HD7. 4.3in screens really aren't my thing, but I have heard rumors that the HTC Mozart might join T-Mobile USA's line up as well. That phone is so nice looking.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Smokexz:
I am writing this from a broken G2... I love this device, but ever since hearing about the HD7 I am starting to consider not exchanging my device, but returning it... I feel what others feel, Android is a respectable platform with so much openess that your mother could make an app... however I feel that the home screen is just so ill completed... I mean it is fast and smooth but its just so BLEH I am coming from a Stock device so it may be that (hopefully this thing gets rooted and we get that Sense HD rom from the Desire	Z). However I just want to state the pros of each OS and specifically the HTC DESIRE HD and the HTC HD7, both have almost near identical hardware

HTC HD7: While I have never ever ever used a Windows Mobile device(besides a Black Jack, but I had no service on it) I can honestly say after looking at this device I was both impressed and saddened.... impressed at the hardware, saddened by the software( keep in mind this was a few moments ago when I had never even considered a WM device) however I started researching the device and software, I was impressed! It had netflix, xbox live, games, and it even had a few THOUSAND apps coming at LAUNCH. So I made a list here

Beautiful UI

THOUSANDS of apps at launch

Huge screen

impressive software

Downsides however...

No tethering at launch

No keyboard(software keyboard looks incredibly good though)

HTC DESIRE HD

Android, I loved it... I thought it was a huge plus

Tethering(it has 2.2)

Downsides...

No keyboard(just like the HD7)

Now I know that you all could never take an opinion from someone who doesn't know **** about it, but I really can't decide... I have used Android devices for almost a year, and really... I cannot decide, keep in mind I am trying to decide, DECIDE, I thought I would never have to do this, I always thought Android was always superior but really, I am trying to find someone on this thread who loves Android to remind me, why I love it so much, I see all these things about how the home screen is buggy, and I just now notice it. I still see a possibility in the next firmware updates "prettying up" the home screen and market, but I don't know how long that will be... someone, who has used Windows Phone 7 and Android, please tell me the differences you noticed? The pros and cons laid out evenly? Please and thank you, I have a G2 and have 3 days until my 14 days are up... so figuring out now would be really nice(PM me if possible, I really am curious)

Sent from my T-Mobile G2
[Windows Phone 7 General] ericc191:
The fact that you're already speculating on whether or not to return the G2 and go WP7 route tells me you've partially made up your mind. While I have never used WP7, I can link you to an engadget comparison vid between the HD2 and HD7. Hope this helps.

FWIW, I also returned my G2 and don't regret it one bit.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/18/htc-hd7-versus-desire-hd-battle-of-the-4-3-inchers/
[Windows Phone 7 General] Smokexz:
Yeah I saw that... I really just love how it looks and runs and everything... while it has no copy and paste or multi-tasking, it still looks very nice and from what I have heard and seen, WP7 just runs VERY well and the touch responsivness is just out of this world, what device are you getting, if you do not mind my asking...

Sent from my T-Mobile G2
[Windows Phone 7 General] tboy2000:
I am in the same boat. Have a HD2. Never owned an Android phone. Can't decide between Desire HD and HD7. REALLY can't decide amd going crazy. I have played with the Desire HD rom on my HD2 and do like it but the WP7 os looks so clean, polished and consistant. I love the apps for android, DLNA of Desire HD, 8mpx cam, HTC intergration. Also love HD7. Aghhhhhhhh!
[Windows Phone 7 General] ericc191:
I'm pretty sure I'll be leaving the Android boat for either the HD7 or the Mozart. I'd prefer the Mozart over the HD7 because a 3.7 inch screen is perfect for me. It's just a waiting game to see if T-Mo USA picks it up.
[Windows Phone 7 General] agp64:
This is the key thing for me when it comes to phones.

While it was fun playing and changing roms on my HD2, The stability of the phone was poor. What good is a phone that crashes and fails to start because of bad apps or a bad Rom.

I like the look of WP7 and it has all functions I need.

The only thing I dislike is the small 8GB storage on most models.[I was really wanting a phone with 32GB] :(
[Windows Phone 7 General] Smokexz:
Well that's a different story, G2(or the Desire Z if you live outside US) vs the HD7, I see no contest, but the Desire HD looks pretty damn good! Still, I really would just go to Windows Phone 7, because a lot of developers are giving WP7 some pretty big support, Adobe is the most notable, they are bringing Flash 10.1, something Android has been boasting for a few months now... I just can't wait to try it, of course Android is still amazing, if Android would have started like this! Oh boy, Jobs wouldn't even be CONSIDERING running his mouth about "SALES".

Yeah, I cannot stand the G2 anymore... mainly because of that hinge, as of now the HD7 is my only choice on T-Mobile, and I am not saying that with disappointment... it looks REALLY nice, I have seen videos of it, browsing is fast, games look beautiful.

I think I just might ditch Android for good, WP7 just looks so damn polished!
[Windows Phone 7 General] tboy2000:
Wait.... did you say flash support in web is coming to WP7?????
[Windows Phone 7 General] Smokexz:
Yeah it was confirmed that it would come a bit later after launch. It's coming and I will definitely have it, no waiting game for an update to finally use flash
[Windows Phone 7 General] suprano:
uhmmm,,who or what is w7 being compared to android..basically,android has been ported to hd2 which most pplz r always feening on..sorry but nothing is compared to ANDROID =)

Swyped from my unleashedEVO via XDA APP
[Windows Phone 7 General] Phone Titan:
I personally think that HTML5 support is more important, however having Flash is good as there is a lot of Flash content on the internet. I am hoping that installing it is optional though.
[Windows Phone 7 General] polstein:
I'm a HD2 user running Android now. I installed Android more of a 'why not, I'll mess around' but thus far I've been much more impressed with Android then WinMo 6.x - and have been using it 24/7 for about a month now.

Now I've been keeping a careful eye on WinMo7. I've been using WinMo devices since May 1998 and am very used to them. So far with WinMo7 I've gone from "Looks like a crappy frontend" to "wow, that looks amazing".

But what concerns me the most about it is how unfriendly it looks to do daily activities. I really dislike the idea of having to go to the homescreen to get anything done. I keep seeing video of scrolling through your apps & how smooth it is, but does anyone really want to scroll 100+ apps to get to the one you want?

I've yet to see any video of SMS, which is something I do pretty often. I surely haven't seen a demo of say sending a SMS, switching over to say an eBook reader - then quickly jumping to check Exchange mail & back to your book.

On my Android phone, I'm using a combination of FolderOrganizer + PowerStrip to easily move around my phone. Since I implemented this combo, my appeal for the OS has gone up a great deal.

I'm sure as more 7 phone are out, we'll start to see more video on regular daily use of the phone - and not just video of "Here's this hub. Here's another. Here's some neat cutting edge games which you'll never play & will probably kill your battery in 2 hours."

(By the way, personally, I prefer puzzle games with nice but simple graphics)

So for now, I'm in a wait & see mode. When The phones are available in the USA, I'll be in the store trying to play with a demo unit. I'd love to try one for a week to see how smooth it will run. Unless I'm blown away, chances are I'll be reading reviews for 6 months & make a new evaluation then.

Hopefully, that time will give some important things time to develop & be released. I want a good music player that supports bookmarks for podcasts. A *real* good eBook reader is a must. Alternate keyboards (SlideIT/Swype). How long till those kinds of apps are out?

SO I guess in short - if WinMo7 wants to impress me - stop showing off the games and show me how the OS makes my daily important phone activities easier & smoother for me.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ericc191:
Sorry, but I think you are being very close minded.
[Windows Phone 7 General] addicus:
I know you and many others were having concerns about Outlook support on WP7. It looks like there will be an answer for that issue within the first 2 months. Here is the link: http://phonetitan.com/remote-device-management-for-enterprise-coming-to-windows-phone-7/

For the lazy the article is included below. I know it's 3rd party.

"Although Windows Phone 7′s first generation is clearly aimed at consumers with a few bones thrown at enterprise for example Mobile Office and Skydrive, it does have some holes in it that may cause some companies to hesitate to deploy upon launch e.g. no side-loading of custom enterprise software.

It seems that one of those holes looks to be filled, at least by a 3rd party company called Odyssey Software who make the Athena remote device management program for large corporations. Odyssey supports iPhone, Android, Blackberry, Windows Mobile and now Windows Phone 7, bringing a bit more control for those companies who can integrate the tech into their servers. Such features are as follows:

Live, remote control of devices in the field.

Device software, application and patch provisioning and installation.

Comprehensive software and hardware asset information.

Location based data via GPS (current and bread crumb).

Detailed phone and messaging information and stats.

Security to protect sensitive data (device lock & wipe).

While we’re no IT people and know little about this end of the technology spectrum, that sure sounds like some powerful software over corporate deployed phones. This software will help fill the void until Microsoft add some of their own software to do this directly."

If there is one set up to allow all these popular OS's to handle exchange service than this truly becomes viable and probably less expensive for the companies having to implement it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Smokexz:
*sigh* of course... While I do agree we will need HTML5 support, HTML5 won't become important to everyone until another decade or so. So when you think about it, focus on what is needed until the future comes. I agree, HTML5 is the "future" however, until it gains more support for websites, iPhone users should at least still get flash, they suffer because Jobs is being stubborn. Apple reference lol
[Windows Phone 7 General] StevieBallz:
The interface of WP7 is for sure an aquired taste. When I got my Touch HD and started flashing ROMs I was amazed by the clouds and rain Sense 2.5 put on my screen. That ended when I just wanted to have a look at the clock and had to wait for a cloud to disappear...

When I first saw WP7 and tried the unlocked emulator I thought it looked really boring - but somehow the idea grew on me, that it was a nice idea to put content and only content out there.

Currently I have a sencity theme with a completely black background and it's looks are pretty close to what WP7 provides. I actually believe that Microsoft's focus on glanceability in their ads is one of the strong points of the OS.

Most things users do, are done nicely by WP7 - although for some there might be knock out criteria:

- missing tethering

- missing outlook task synchronization

- missing contact synchronization without using the cloud

- missing copy/paste

- missing multi-tasking

On the later two: in most cases I use copy/paste I want to use a phone number or address somewhere else, so if the OS does a good job in recognizing them I can live without it. Multi-Tasking is a different story. There are some use cases were it is really a problem. Still I believe the way apple took on that is superior to the android/wm way and I hope Microsoft will adopt to that.

Recently I forgot to close Opera Mobile and for whatever reason when I got back to my phone an hour later it had consumed 20 % of the battery. What this comes down to: many developers just don't care what their App does when backgrounded, so forcing Apps to tombstone themselves really is the way to go.

Still needed: background playback service apps can tap into, navigation service apps can tap into, voip service apps can tap into (although for this Microsoft will also have to open up IP communication beyond the HTTP-Async calls available to developers today).

Edit: Guess it will be an HD 7 for me, as it's the only one to be available on 3 Austria. Samsung Omnia 7 would be nice though - camera seems a lot better from what the tests say.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sylau90:
I'm an HTC HD2 users...and have tried over ten android builds...the problems i facing is..

Messaging: If you install more than 1 sms client such as chomp,handcent and original sms client...you will have 2 or more popups and notifications....even if you set one of those to default...it is pretty annoying.

Applications: Although it is over 100,000apps on android market...but the usable and reliable ones,maybe just few thousands...many of the apps are repeated, porn apps, apps with just pictures.Look at the games, if you are a gamer,I think you will be disappointed...however,there are bunch of puzzle games (this issue is due to open-source)every can develop and android market didn't do their job good in filtering.Furthermore, when you look at most of the apps comments,you will find something,that is many people complaining about the Fragmentation(apps are not fully working on all devices...this is truth...

At the bright side of android, of course, you can drog and drop your files, customise your phone(however, you will find it tired, is true)...and 1 great thing is video players such as rockplayer on the marketplace,you can play any videos you like without convert(such as rmvb,rv...) however,sometimes the audio does not match the scenes...

Personally, I love to sms,instant messaging,facebook,music and high quality games...therefore,I might choose WP7 or webOS...
[Windows Phone 7 General] SunSetsForever:
To be honest, the update method of WP7 really looks great, however some things trouble me.

What if I want to import a file format not supported by the Zune software - I can't.

How would, say a proper multimedia player that can play more formats, work if the formats it supports cannot be imported? How would something like a .zip archive image view work?

What if I want some photos from a friends computer and he does not have the Zune software? - Does he have to install it just to move them to my computer?

How could they skip out on Tethering, I haven't had a phone for years without that and most of them were cheap Nokia feature phones!

Same for using your own ringtones/sms notifications - are they really going to require you to download them from market? Why?

I am interested in MP, but at the present moment, its dependance on the Zune software, lack of mass storage and basic stuff like tethering and using your own notifications (correct me if I am wrong about that) just seems like issues that need to be sorted out first.
[Windows Phone 7 General] 8526WM6:
Anyone else finding some serious shortfalls in WP7 compared to Android? No easy way to multi-task between open applications...how do you exit application so its not running in the background? Getting some poor call quality even with 4 bars (hear rings with static in the background and voice drop drop outs).

Anyone else have the same complaints? Please let me know as I'm nearing my 30-day mark and may give it back for an android phone.

I'm using the Samsung Focus.
[Windows Phone 7 General] adesonic:
Multi tasking is not implemented in wp7 yet. The call quality problems sound like a dodgy handset to me, my htc hd7 has perfect call quality
[Windows Phone 7 General] naplesbill:
I have no issues with call quality.

There is no need to worry about exiting out of apps. They are not running once they are not on the screen, running in the background requires multitasking.
[Windows Phone 7 General] andrew-in-woking:
WM7 Has GAL

Hi all

WP7 has GAL.

Cheers

andrew-in-woking
[Windows Phone 7 General] ebzrascal:
No GAL for exchange 2003 unfortunately :-( even Iphone has this!!!!!!!!

I hope they fix this soon because I need it..
[Windows Phone 7 General] justinxtreme:
Oh and I think a much more usable official implementation of multi-tasking is better than having a check at the feature list.

Windows Phone 7 is lacking somewhat with the feature set but I find that when it does implement those features it will be a lot better than the ones on Android.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
Where is netflix and zune music streaming for android???

I can't find either in the market...
[Windows Phone 7 General] agp64:
Both these features are useless to the 6 billion potential users that live outside the USA.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
Netflix is coming to Android in Q1 2011.

Where is the Zune software for Linux, scorched Microsoft website to no avail:eek:

This^^^
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Regardless of what anyone says about Android or WP7, whether Android has more apps or can do more than WP7, the only thing that matters to me, and something Android isn't nor ever will be, is pure quality. WP7 is pure quality. Android is more like a used up hooker. It feels rough, looks plain, but it knows the tricks. I don't care about that. What I want in a smartphone is supreme quality and superior functionality as well as reliability and pure simplicity (iPhone type simplicity). WP7 provides it, Android doesn't.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mr mystery:
RAOFL :D

This is what I am about as well, I have a Nexus and an i4 and although iPhone is locked I prefer it over my Nexus for

1) Quality of OS coding (polish)

2) QA'ed and properly coded and quality apps

3) Lag free UI experince throughout

And theses are the same reasons I went for an WP7 device over another Android
[Windows Phone 7 General] ericc191:
This debate is still going? What it boils down to in the end is opinion. Both operating systems have advantages and disadvantages. For me, I plan to own both. If I had to choose just one, I'd go with Android. WP7 doesn't currently offer some of the utilities I need. Does this mean it's a crap OS, no. Neither of the operating systems suck and I'd like to see both succeed.
[Windows Phone 7 General] linuxmotion:
The best part for us, users/consumers we get better phones at a cheaper price. Wichita I think we all can agree that we like.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Linux has like < 1% desktop marketshare, and most of those are business desktops (you won't be installing Zune software on those). Porting Zune to Linux would be a waste of Microsoft's time and money, and a developer nightmare (i.e. Fragmentation beyond anything experienced in Android, on several levels).

Who can blame them? Fork-happy Linux developers brought this on themselves. That's why lots of commercial applications won't touch Linux (some have tried with emulation layers, but Linux users don't like paying for consumer software/games). It's a support nightmare.

No one cares about Desktop Linux. It's not even mentionable, and it's terrible to boot.

Zune will come to Macs, though :P Mac OS/X is "Consumer *NIX done right."
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
since we're comparing hookers;

wp7 - old hooker with new lipstick that never learned from the beat downs

android - new hooker that has an amazing rack, all the moves, and bends all the right ways

iphone - has a client list, and you're too cheap for her
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
I think you have some crossdressing going on there in your part of the bush.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Having tried Android, and knowing what I want

I'm sure WP7 with full feature set can be successful.

But only in this case.

Currently WP7 is a beta for me. Essential things not there.

With Android you can really do things, with WP7 most - not.

And I still don't think cloud is the main solution for average customer.

Especially when you travel alot and use roaming.
[Windows Phone 7 General] linuxmotion:
Yes, android does suffer from fragmentation, the reason why multiple versions are not supported is because programmers don't support the older version. A program for the newest version can be run on an older versions, it just has to be programmed correctly.

here's some stats on desktop is

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp run by the w3c. As you can see Linux is steadily gaining speed, slowly but surely.

As for gamming. That is what you get windows for. Your right in that games suck on Linux for the most part.

Apparently you don't use Linux though. Boot timed is fifteen seconds or less in Linux generally(average of 6 configured distros). Windows boot time is greater than a min on a fresh install on a quad core overclock to 3.5.

Aa for zunes and other software. Those companies like making money. Same app. New phone. More money for them.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Paul Nur:
The entire OS is built around get what you need from ur phone, and then get back to ur life quickly. The entire home screen is a cork board for shortcuts to what you want, you have got to be kidding me.
[Windows Phone 7 General] andrew-in-woking:
Hotmail Vs Gmail

Hi all

I did extensive research into WP7 and Android before getting a new device. I was attracted to Android because it has such a well developed application market and had had huge investment from OEMs - principally HTC whose devices I was most interested in (Desire HD and Desire Z). I was attracted to WP7 because of how well it seemed to work (you have to try a device before you understand this), and the integration with Hotmail, which I use.

In the end, it came down to the fact that these are two extremely competative operating systems and Android is great for people on Gmail and WP7 great for people on Hotmail. Because I am on Hotmail and didn't want to change my primary email address, I chose to go with WP7 and am really glad I did.

While the device lacks some of the features of Android and clearly lacks the range of software available for it, it does work very well with both Facebook and Windows Live services. If you're happy to take the plunge and move everything over to Windows Live, I think that this phone, combined with the WL cloud services, gives a really good user experience.

I have an identical twin brother and he uses the full range of Google cloud services and has just got his first Android phone, which he loves, even though it is quite a low end device (I think he liked the price as well!).

So for me, if you already use Google cloud services then I think that Android is the OS for you. If you already use Hotmail/Windows Live cloud services, and Facebook, then WP7 is the OS for you.

Cheers

andrew-in-woking
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tone_:
No point cherry picking the stats from one site - if you want something a bit more accurate check here http://gs.statcounter.com/#os-ww-monthly-200911-201010 linux < 1%

Is there any evidence of this? I know linux boots quicker but it sounds like you are plucking figures out of the air, this is more realistic http://www.tuxradar.com/node/33