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[Galaxy S I9000 General] ccris:
I'm a new SGS user, still have my Omnia 2, that has RAM reserved by Samsung, leaving 50-100MB free after a clean install, depending on the used firmware. So Samsung seems to have a habbit with RAM reserving or bad ROM customising.

Do you think that SGS will be able to record calls with the new ROM? The Omnia II does it so it shouldn't be a legal problem for Samsung. The missing call recording and availability of Garmin (with detailed off-road maps) makes me think to go back to WM.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] t1mman:
You're kidding right? Everything "IT" doesn't work "out of the box"...

-iPhones have fixes in the months after their initial release

-About all windows (with the exeption of Windows 7 to a certain extent) had to wait for, at least, the first SP to work properly

-Mostly all games gets updated after their initial releases

-Mostly all apps gets updated after the initial release

-Mostly all hardware manufacturer makes constant drivers updates

You even get the same "Guinea pig" treatement when you buy a car...nothing is new here, no history rewritten because Samsung is only sitting on their hands...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] bilboa1:
smartphones arent exactly designed to be dropped all that much

in my experience sometimes you have crazy 10 meter drops and the phone has nothing except scratches

sometimes u drop it from 60c and the screen breaks etc.

All of this on asphalt.

depends a lot on how the phone falls/what part touches first etc.

In general I don't think the SGS is especially strong, its not especially weak either and seems mostly durable at least i'm quite happy with the quality so far (now if the home button pops off in a week i'll eat my hat hehe)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] sonci:
sorry for hijacking, but it was made up to the guy who said samsung makes bad tv sets:confused:

Theres no way that the phone on the video is the same quality as the Galaxy I purchased,

this phone cannot resist any type of drops, if you love this phone buy some accessory..
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Valeo:
Given your example I'm guessing that you'd consider someone that has a stock 2.1 firmware, sans root and lagfix, with only 24 apps installed as real-life right? Because I've got serious lag and that's the exact configuration of my SGS...

I'll give an example. When adding calendar events (which I do 20-30 times a day) and setting the time for events, it can take between 3-10 seconds just for the HH:MM dialogue pop-up to, er, pop up.

Please tell me, am I a real-life user or am I just being a moany whiner when I complain about lag such as above?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Will.1:
The facts are simple. It's a great phone (personnaly i'm lucky i didn't get issues with lag, strangely only with JPK. I love the out of the box specs and tweaks make it even better. Ram isn't a probleme at all on my phone, i always have enough, no force closes and all like on my old Winmo. All in all it's the best phone i've used (well N95 was really sweet too)

But Samsung needs to get better at product support. Honnestly, look at their track record. I8910HD, awesome specs at the time, failed as there was no support. Omnia II was absolutely awesome in terms of specs and out of the box works, but I didn't get any update with it, and i only had 50/70MB of useable RAM, which on Winmo is very hard to deal with, kept having to clear ram... Made it very uncomfortable. And many other phones were just like that.

They are getting better, just the fact that they pushed JM1 through kies is a big improvement IMO, but there is still a lot to do. I mean, ok they never gave a specific date for froyo and it's mostly ppl speculating. But they should communicate once in a while, tell us what's going on. Why do you guys think they're playing this so close to the chest? A few lines will keep ppl happy.

Look at our situation in France. Absolute 0 communication when we represent one of the 5 biggest smartphone markets in the world. No twitter no facebook nothing. We are totally in the dark while our neighbours in the UK have much more info.

They keep improving and i'm happy with my device so i have no intention of flaming them or droping my SGS, but i really hope they are learning from their mistakes.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Will.1:
See that's weird, on my phone (no lagfix no nothing, just fresh JP6 instal) there is no lag at all, it's instant, and i mean instant.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] mjonase:
Thought HTC was worse, guess that was just me being impatient compared to what i've put myself in 'samsung' i'm definately getting rid of the galaxy s, its such a shame for such a highly capable device
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Valeo:
It used to be instant here as well, but after a couple of week's usage it's slow as hell. :(

Rebooting the phone does help, but not for long.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] scarlet_pimp:
My girlfriend doesn’t have anywhere near the amount of Apps as I have on my desire and her Galaxy lags like a mofo even a couple of minutes after a reboot which she has to do everyday pretty much since she has a problem with 3G not connecting after leaving the wireless, I never have to reboot my Desire and have no lag even though I use it quite heavily with multiple apps and internet browsing.

The Galaxy has superior hardware so I would expect the performance to be superior to my Desire.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] snuff96:
I'm not sure if i just got lucky, but i bought my phone maybe a month ago now, and i didnt have many problems just minimal lag that didnt annoy me. My gps worked fairly ok too. After a while i rooted my phone and used OCLF and i havent looked back since. Froyo would be nice for flash support, but it doesnt matter to me. I also have like 20 or 30 apps installed. 2 of my friends bought the same phone, one rooted and OCLF and the other didnt and they absolutely love their phones. This is probably my 4th or 5th phone and its by far the best one ive owned.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] huxflux2003:
Do a factory reset and cache wipe.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] huxflux2003:
Same here. Voodoo improved some things (i.e. MarketAccess does its trick a little bit faster), but I could definitely live without it. No lag at all.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] android.man:
hope its true.. hope it will be available in november.. hope it will be available for my country Indonesia.. :( :(
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Unrealwolf:
Those are very good news indeed! If they finally noticed that their phone NOT as fast as they have promised, thats already something!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] andrewluecke:
I've seen someone elses who was dropped on the road.. It was fine.. Also, I'm a short guy and your standard pockets are higher than 60cm. How EXACTLY did you drop it? Sitting down on the ground?

Anyway, yours might have fallen apart, but plenty of phones get dropped. Some survive, some don't. And I've seen one dropped, which didn't. But dropping your phone doesn't say anything about build quality though, because unless it's rugged, even if they don't break, a lot of them might suffer minor issues.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] andrewluecke:
"It can" is the keyword.. On average, it's much less on mine, and what's your AVERAGE. Because on computers, OSX/Linux/Windows CAN sometimes take a minute or longer to load a browser too under load, but it doesn't mean it's your average scenario..
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Valeo:
If I've just rebooted my phone it'll be quick for a couple of hours, after that time it'll take between 3-10 seconds as I said previously. I rebooted my phone at lunchtime so now's a good time to give you my average: 5 events created with an average of 6 seconds lag before the pop-up appears.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] android.man:
my friend dropped my galaxy s from the office desk while its been charge :( .. im shocked :eek:.. but its still works till now.. love my galaxy s so much :p ..
[Galaxy S I9000 General] rasebo:
The sgs does feel a bit flaky, mainly because its made only from plastic, with no metal parts whatsoever.

I've dropped mine twice, on cement and on wood flooring from about 1 meter and it's still ok. A friend of mine dropped his Desire on linoleum from waist-height and cracked his screen. Someone else I know dropped his wildfire about 5 or 6 times and it's ok (scratched and dented as hell, but fully working).

On the other hand, the iphone 4 feels really solid because of all the glass and aluminum but, if you drop it, it trends to shatter more easily than any other smartphone on the market.

It all depends on your luck, I guess.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] t1mman:
The glass is pretty solid and can sustain amazing impact, but it's made with flaw as anything made with the current ellements of the periodic table ;) Theses flaws concsist of side impact or angled impact. Then, you can poke the thing straight foward with an ice pick (almost) and it won't budge...

Kind of like a tank, you can try to attack it from anywhere and it will hold it, but drop a grenade in the hole and you'll be f*cked...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] borchgrevink:
Well, it's NOT whining when my phone lags for up to 30 seconds on some commands. Or is it?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Valeo:
30 seconds?! Yikes. I guess I should consider myself lucky when very simple actions take up to 10 seconds. :D
[Galaxy S I9000 General] :
Have a look at Formula 1 and many other race cars (and some hyper sports cars on sale) and you will find what seems to be very flaky bodywork. This is deliberate as the force needed to be absorbed is channelled through the breaking off and falling apart of the outer body. The more this happens the less the internals (the driver) is damaged. Same for phones.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] herrfischer:
maybe look at this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAFcZKTr-Sg

we call it "aluminium".
[Galaxy S I9000 General] sonci:
Maybe, I`m just unlucky, the phone smashed like the toys you find on the potato chips,.

it still works ok, but unfortunately I have to replace the amoled together with the glass cause they are sticked together,

remember my nokias falling, they don`t buid that way anymore..

ps: now that the glass is broken I don`t notice the lag anymore, if that`s help.. :)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] pele78:
And at the end of the day.....it all boils down to.... User Preventative maintainence!

If my phone lags a bit, I just take a few mins out to do some spring cleaning on my phone...the same thing I do on my netbooks, laptops and many of my clients.... How many people here regularly spring clean there smartphone..........

Back on topic....what if samsung replaced the rfs system with a ext system....possible?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] t1mman:
Pretty clever design, can't say the least! The way the phone bent over and the rounding of the glass area is made makes it pretty protected!

But then, it's not realy about being resistant to shock, but being able to protect the internal.

For example, your cranium could pretty much restist a massive hit, but you can still get a comotion because your brain swirved like sh*t inside.

So the ultimate goal is shock distribution, not only resisting it.

You could probably just buy a 5$ case and have this "issue" resolved instantly!

BTW: Would be nice to have a case made of this:

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/26689/tech-21-iphone-d30-case
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Valeo:
And what if one's SGS still lags after such spring cleaning? In my case the only further spring cleaning I could do is to do a factory restore and cache wipe, but that's not something I'm willing do do every couple of weeks once my SGS has started to lag so incredibly.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] pele78:
I understand, but if your one of those peeps who have 500 apps, 1000 songs, endless count of images, then you need to realise that this is a smartphone not a quad core system.....

I'm pretty sure when dual chip smartphones come out then people are gonna start flaming about either poor battery life OR the weight of the phone due to the size of the battery/phone. Lol.

Not dissing you by the way, just trying make people, gents, ladies and children see that we don't live in the age of perfection nor the matrix....

I'm very happy with my sgs, sometimes I get angry, but that is quickly silenced by the fact that its so open to customisation... With the help of xda, I can tweak my phone endless...try that on another os...lol. And I actually like how samsung keeps this phone open and interesting despite there flaws.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] rasebo:
I don't think they'll abandon their baby. Perhaps, in time, they'll manage to make it faster and less prone to errors?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] pele78:
Mmmmmm...maybe, but I'm pretty sure samsung understand that android is linux based, and that is standard. And I'm sure they are following the xda forum lol, and are realising the sgs full potential...xda devs are safely pushing the sgs system way beyond the stock rfs, and if samsung see a small percentage of sgs users maxing out there sgs with tweaks, then I'm sure they are going to want this implemented to the wider community.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] t1mman:
RFS system is ment to protect the flash memory and prevent massive read/writes that kills it. Once it's optimised, I assume it will probably make the envy of other makers
[Galaxy S I9000 General] sonci:
What file systems use the other Android devices,

because the lag is still there, even for EXT phones,

I`m affraid this is an android issue, or maybe java or whatelse..
[Galaxy S I9000 General] mike.sw:
man threads on xda tend to go offtopic so quickly...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] pele78:
lol true... off topic allows people to get things off there chest...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] pele78:
so btw... if this the case then... why are lagfixes using ext systems ? or am i missing something lol

ext = less writes ?

rfs = protects ?

so its safer to use rfs rather than ext which could lead to corruption ?

So its better to have lag... as lag slows the system a little to prevent damage..

Correct me if im wrong
[Galaxy S I9000 General] herrfischer:
no this is no android issue, the htc desire and the nexus one run like hell (i had them both).
[Galaxy S I9000 General] herrfischer:
yes, if you run slower, you can run a greater distance :D

ehm, no, serious. i think RFS could be good ... some day ... but not tomorrow.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] pele78:
Same as long live the tortoise :D

mmmm, i would rather have this theory then have a phone that dies before the end of my contract LOL...

Im sticking to RFS.... add a little OCLF or VOODOO and im happy.. plus i have a phone that will last....

And this will hurt many when i say this... speed comes at a price....FACT!

Maybe samsung were right to remain with the RFS system as its for the long term and NOT the short term..
[Galaxy S I9000 General] nCoder:
Back to the main topic...

Froyo in UK will be released in November, and inside information state that they're working on making the phone faster.

This actually means Samsung listens to our complains.

MOST ISSUES ARE FIXED.

They saw that we are still not satisfied with the latest "leaked" Froyo versions (lag is still there), and decided to make it right (better?). The complexity of these changes is very big, even for a big team of experts. The test cycles take a lot of time (they were kind enough to share some test versions with us, so we could provide feedback as well - At least, I like that).

I see a lot of people complaining here, but it happens with other brands as well (You know what I mean). Complaining is good, puts some pressure, and because of that we're getting better ROMs.

I also have an Omnia2, I'm still having constant updates and fixes. If we still get updates in a Year, it means that most likelly we'll get Gingerbread.

This is the best phone I ever had, and even my friends with latest HTCs, iPhone4, SoneEricssons, Motorolas, etc envy my SGS.

BTW: Personally, I never had Lag and I don't have any Lagfix installed, but I saw enough evidence to be sure if affects a lot of users, so it's a serious issue that must be fixed - is affecting the SGS image a lot, and Samsung understands that.

I have faith that the final release will be better and hopefully, we'll recommend this device - Samsung will sell a lot more ;)

I'm not in a hurry to get Froyo, so I can wait. I prefer to flash a (near) perfect ROM once than flashing five buggy ROMs.

The only complain is that Samsung could release a better (fixed) Eclair version in the meanwhile... (instead of trying to do Both Froyo and fix phone issues in the same release).

Cheers
[Galaxy S I9000 General] pmos69:
You will not have problems with low RAM because android has mechanisms to avoid that.

Android, not something samsung did.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] pele78:
Thanks for putting this back on topic :D
[Galaxy S I9000 General] HardCorePawn:
This is (going to be) the best phone I've ever owned... and I can sum it up in 3 words...

"Angry Birds" :P

"CyanogenMod"

/delusionsOfReality
[Galaxy S I9000 General] nandihno:
i've been critical of Samsung for their upgrade..

but come to think of it...ok...for the 3 months i had my device..Samsung has outputed more firmwares faster than any other device i had before (eg iPhone)

in the iPhone is once per year... and i guess Samsung got cought in the wrong timing..releasing their galaxy s with eclair..but then again froYo wasnt really ready in June...ok for the nexus it was...

but at the same time it was one of the best time to push the galaxy s, as many ppl that had the iphone 3G were finishing their contracts and with the antenagate on the iphone 4 Samsung needed to take the opportunity.. so maybe thats why they came with Eclair and in a 4 month period ..they have to come up with another major release FroYo..

So yes...i guess coming from the iPhone world..the android ppl can become very impatient..

one good thing in the Apple world is that when they say they will release something most often they are punctual on their release dates.

I wouldnt mind waiting till the end of Nov or Dec..

but only if it was a definate ..i hate being told..it will be here in 3 weeks..only to find that it has been delayed again..it just creates false expectations.

Samsung if you are reading..dont create false expectations..just give ppl a realistic timetable. doesnt matter if is going to be coming on December ..as long as you stick with your timetable
[Galaxy S I9000 General] darkoroje:
MOST ISSUES ARE FIXED - and you know that how ?

This thread is based on total speculation. So far I have not seen anything coming from Samsung that would indicate that they will fix the two main issues with this phone: the lag and the GPS.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] nzroman:
Exactly my point mate. Also, people who call other people whiners are just fanboys who are obviously happy to be kept in the dark about everything. :rolleyes:
[Galaxy S I9000 General] schiphol:
Well even after being called a whiner on this thread I will still try my best to constructively contribute to the discussion.

I guess the problem we are talking about here is more of a architectural nature. I agree there are more phones that have seen delays in getting new versions of android ported onto them. The delays are due to Google's in designing the android architecture having to weigh interest by providers and manufactures (customizability) against their own which is getting new versions of android ported on as many devices as quickly as possible. I guess google themselves weren't thrilled about how things were going which is why the launched the Nexus one to show manufacturers how it's done and move the platform ahead.

If Google had waited for Samsung to launch froyo into the market they and we would still be waiting now.

So even though it's not entirely Samsung's fault, they certainly don't deserve the praise you are giving them. As far as customizing the stock android, that's STILL a choice. All samsung's little menus programs and bloatware might make sense from their business perspective but certainly not for me as a customer. I would be best served with a stock android ported to my device as fast as possible. Or would you say the bulk of android development comes from manufacturer/provider customizations??

Since nothing has really changed since the nexus one google might be saying there won't be a nexus two, I guarantee you there will be if the development performances of HTC and samsung with froyo have any predictive power as far as the launch of gingerbread is concerned. Don't forget, although the device manufacturers haven't put up much of a fight yet, delayed android releases and the diminished customer experience that follows from that might just be what they need to get their own platforms (e.g. bada) in a better market position.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] nCoder:
Darkoroje:

Based on latest froyo:

Long file extensions FIXED

GPS FIXED

FM RADIO mono FIXED

Exchange reply FIXED

Lag that affects a lot of users NOT FIXED

These are facts, not speculation.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] schiphol:
There are plenty of people claiming the gps reception still sucks on the newest froyo release, although some say it's not ever going to get better because of HW limitation. The other bug fixes you list are really less than impressive 5-6? mo. into developing a release.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] foxbat121:
Since when fiction became facts?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] SkinBobUk:
I gotta dispute the gps fix too. Just take a look in the gps thread, the evidence is clear that its very far from fixed. If Samsung consider it fixed then i want some of the drugs they use.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] dillovic:
Dear Samsung, please give me native "record call" feature or let me flash to Korean version!!

Can anyone tell me how to flash Korean firmware onto European phone? Sorry for spamming this everywhere but I know there's that special someone out there who knows how to hack this and make it flashable. Thanks for any help
[Galaxy S I9000 General] borchgrevink:
This kinds of pisses my off... hehe. I have 100 apps (have seen people complain over lag with just 20 apps), no music and maybe 100 pics. Only a few apps running at the time. Lags as h....
[Galaxy S I9000 General] cheetah2k:
I honestly can't believe that all of the development on here regarding lag fixes has gone un-noticed by Samsung. FFS, if only they changed the file system to EXT4, all of us would be stoked!!!!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] pele78:
What are you running?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Oletros:
Jurl, and that's one of the causes of lag, killing apps in backgraund because of low free RAM.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] darkoroje:
Gps is not fixed at least not on my phone and neither is lag. I am using JPK at the moment

And when I talk about GPS I mean actual driving with Google Navigation instead of "I have lock in my living room so GPS must be perfect "
[Galaxy S I9000 General] borchgrevink:
I made a thread explaining and showing this: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=8739142#post8739142
[Galaxy S I9000 General] nCoder:
I said "The latest Froyo" (in old JPK gps was not fixed). :)

BTW: So, for some people, the GPS is ok only if gets a fix inside a house... :D

I don't even test that, I'm glad I can use it reliabily in the street while driving in places I don't know.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] pele78:
Gps, gps, gps......i have my sat nav for that....and my sgs for calls, we mails, business side of things. Laptop and netbook for power hungry stuff....

People expect far to much from a smart phone....
[Galaxy S I9000 General] compuse:
Hehe, i'm doing all that from one device, much more convenient; haven;t used my tomtom in ages and laptops for weeks :P
[Galaxy S I9000 General] pele78:
Well at least your happy and I'm glad your happy.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] bellawonderful:
In my opinion, if Samsung wants to be outstanding in the competitive phone market, it should to release operation system more quick. Samsung has let many people down in the aspects. Hope it will accerlate in the releasing of system exploting.