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[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] erick10:
True but my T-Mobile HD2 with android is way better than a Motorola Cliq on 1.5 lol. Yes I know I shouldnt even compare an HD2 to a slow Moto Cliq
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] kcfong2:
Which (whose) Android are you using, and are you using on the stock 2.13 TMOUS ROM? I was on Darkstone's Froyosense, but the PPP kept dropping connection on me every 8 or so hours, and a 5-minute reboot made it a pain... so unless I can get an RMNET version or stable PPP release, I'm still not using Android as a daily unit (plus, battery life is still poor, although Nexus port has good battery life, but I get the robotic voice... <sigh>).
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] lee1019:
I can partially agree, but app developers along with the team that worked on this OS certainly need sure specs to be able to develop fragmentation free. Using this slightly older, but still very high end, specifications also allowed the OEMs to make devices with little or no driver development. This strategy is very Apple. This OS will not be 'open' as android or Winmo are. MSFT has alos stated that OTA updates come from them directly, with no red tape from Carriers or OEMs.

Sony's rumored PSP2 is an example. though a few developers have said that they have one, there have been no announcements for any region. these things are years in the making and changing something like the processor may have delayed launch.

Does anyone remember how dated the G1 (dream) looked at it's launch? it didn't even have 3.5mm jack.MSFT is getting this thing out as soon as it can. they don't want to be a Palm, and have devices leak like the pre2 that probably won't even get a date until CES
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] captainhakan:
i totally agree with your comments and would like to add just one thing. There is not much android devices on market which has 1 gb rom and 500mb ram yet on the market. So Android on HD2 is still much better then most of the native android devices on the market even tho working on the sdcard yet. Once nand version is released it is gonna be a killer not only being able to run android but also multibootable! If you only gonna stick with android and you are in need of a new phone then only superior HTC android devices like desire HD might be a better choice imao
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] masondoctorjt:
Whenever my data drops I just turn off the wireless 3g network, then turn it back on, and that usually resolves the issue.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] letrain02:
I'm using the new hyper droid 1.6.on my hd2 and its daily.don't even touch winmo anymore.battery life its my only complaint.but I like having winmo as a backup. All droid phones have crappy battery.the fact that I can do anything to the droid rom and never worry about my device becoming a brick its great.plus having the option of three OS's (winmo, droid, ubuntu) is better then just having a droid.

Also what is "nand" ? Is it like the computer when you pc your os at boot? Rather then haret?
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] ofsinreno:
I don't mean to be negative, I am actually really happy with my HD2 using WinMo- but I don't get the WP7 hype. I have watched the youtube videos and the OS looks cramped on the phone. I understand that Sense makes our phones look amazing; but I have heard that MS won't allow any Sense on WP7. The ability to customize my phone and make it look COMPLETELY different than anyone else's is one of the biggest draws to any phone; and from what I can see all the WP7 phones look the same!

Has MS done something completely outside the box with this phone that no one is talking about?
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] plt3121:
One could only hope that was the case with WP7 but then again it is microsoft so the chances of it being something outside the box are yet to be seen..
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] white6speedz28:
Try this combo... I am running Android as a daily driver... data is speedy (2MB Down / 1 MB Up here in Salt Lake City, UT).

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=802194

Use the OzDROID ROM here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=774417

Then load the 2.5 update from

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=802194

You will be thoroughly impressed. It may freeze up during the first boot of Android. Just soft reset it and you'll be good to go. I used heavy 3G data all day and still had 40% battery at the end of the day. The touchscreen is much more responsive than with WM.

Good luck...
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] shamusl:
I think WP7 will eventually come. Android didn't take long because similar hardware with the same drivers launched and it was relatively easy to port. Windows Phone 7 has models that are basically the same hardware too so it should come quickly.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] jorpe:
I'm anxiously awaiting this also! I dont use my HD2 anymore, I have an EVO for my regular phone... I love windows mobile though
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] Blairware:
I would not make comments off the cuff without actually knowing the facts. Yes, the HD2 was designed as a device to run WM 6.5 and/or WP7 At that date no one was clear on Microsoft's expectations and a hardware definition had not been made public. A lot of folks believe this was behind T-Mobile upping the Ram and ROM footprint, in the expectation it would be potentially upgradeable to WP7. Then Microsoft shot it down, so HTC has essentially reworked

the same hardware

with a few tweaks (love the little stereo speakers, not so much the kickstand, which LOOKS cool as hell, but is claimed to be unstable from the rounded base-edge)

That said, the next point is, Windows Mobile

does NOT "run in the background"

- It is there mostly to initialize the hardware (else we would be in driver hell) and when Haret boots the Android kernel, it first UNLOADS the WM kernel. So no, Android does NOT run on top of WM, as a lot of folks seem to misunderstand.

Finally: Stability and Speed? Okay some builds are just reaching a stable point (remembering that we have only HAD working Android builds for 3 months when they first got it booting properly on 8250 Snapdragon Processor.) and perhaps you have not SEEN the cute little performance graphs, provided bay Quadrant on the builds? (see attached)Even the attached Performance numbers - the SLOWEST I have EVER gotten on my HD2 (Usually see 1500+) blow away the Nexus One running Froyo 2.2, Moto Droid X and Samsung Galaxy S - Three of the hottest Android Phones out there (well, the Nexus is getting a bit long in the tooth)

So, to the guy looking for advice? Lets say that while you CAN run android on it, you WILL have to jump through some technical hoops, and you SHOULD at least have an interest in running WM at least part time, since, as Gibbage pointed out, that was the OS it was originally designed to run.

Oh, and if Windows

PHONE

7 gets "ported" (there is no "Port" needed, as the HD7 hardware is almost identical) it will run... well just like it runs on the HD7 (assuming bugs & issues can be worked out)
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] Whoareyou:
What scares me the most is on that quadrent test it says "Nexus One 2.2+" so does that possibly mean SOMEONE out there has a Nexus One w/android 2.3 or 3.0????

Sent from my HTC Espresso, that is apperantly a failing device using the XDA App
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] jazzmanmonty:
DO IT! i'm the kind of guy that doesn't want to invest in technology unless it appeals to me and is flexible to keep it modern. i've had the G1 since preorder and was always skeptical on upgrading to a newer phone. and it served me correct that anytime something new would come out it'd be a disappointment. from the cliq not getting updates, then the vibrant ****ty battery life, plasticy feel, and crappy features, etc. since july i waited for all the news to compile on the g2 and mytouch hd, and once the specs were revealed/android was ported to hd2, i jumped on craigslist and picked one up. best decision ever! so go get one!
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] cnpf:
hd2 is worth to have!
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] zarathustrax:
You have to realize also that the scores on that graph are referring to those devices on stock roms and unrooted. Once you root and properly modify any of those native android phones, the scores shoot up. A native android phone will probably always run android better when you modify it correctly. And if you don't want to root and modify your phone, I don't think you'd like the hd2 because you will have to do as much research and modifying to get android running the way you want. Android on the hd2 is always going to be a hacked on version and will probably never be as smooth as a native android phone.

If you just plan on using android, get an android phone. If you also want winmo 6.5, then the hd2 is the phone for you.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] bryangopan:
yup HD7 hardware is almost same with HD2 having advantage on the RAM side .But HD7 has an inbuilt GUI which makes it more fluid .. check the video below

http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/htc-hd7-hands-on-video
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] bryangopan:
Now u might wanna reconsider what u quoted about the mother of all smart phonew, our Hd2 running WP 7. downloading now.

It's a device which is so versatile to run WM 6. 5, android, linux, Win 98 , Meego and WP 7 :-)
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] JayG:
I've read somewhere, perhaps on these forums, but I may be wrong...

Nonetheless, I've heard/read that it (WM7) looks/acts alot more like an iPhone. If it's as restricted/dumbed down as an iPhone, don't know if it's something I'd want.

Comments and feedback from the experts would be cool.
[HD2 Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting an] Snarksneeze:
Have you ever been "bored" by your phone? As in; you've played with it for a day or so and then realized that there really isn't much to it?

That seems to be the sentiments of a lot of tech bloggers out there concerning WP7. Even Microsoft has admitted that this isn't a phone for the tech savvy, rather it was designed to fill the niche of folks who want a simple phone that does what it says on the tin.

LG recently reported that the WP7 sales were disappointing but carriers were complaining about "too much android" on the market and thus were forced to stay with Microsoft due to the fact that LG doesn't have their own competitive OS available for smartphones.

Disclosure: I have been seriously disappointed in WP7 since I saw the first screenshots. The subsequent UI video leaks on YouTube did nothing to add to its appeal for me. It seemed like a clunky and uninteresting UI. Of course, when I learned the kernel had been locked down to prevent ROMs being built and the subsequent "Genuine Windows" addition, it spoiled me altogether.

(Off-Site Link) LG: WP7 falls short as carriers tire of "too much Android"
[Droid X Themes and Apps] jloya:
Hey,

So I see there is a android battery indicator available for a few other droids (its a goodlookin battery indicator) so I tried to apply it to my device via metamorph

I got it to show except it did not properly indicate my battery %

battery manager showed %60 and the droid was still fully green

can anyone create this for the X? maybe WJD ;)

the link is below and its the last android icon at the bottom

http://droidpirate.com/category/meta...icons/page/11/

definitely willing to donate as well, thank you :)
[Droid X Themes and Apps] graveghoul:
try this:

http://droidpirate.com/2010/10/02/metamorph-–-droid-battery/
[Droid X Themes and Apps] jloya:
thanks for the link :)

only thing is the other one looks muuchhhh cleaner
[Droid X Themes and Apps] jloya:
the droid battery indicator actually works great :)

the shades of green between 100 and 80 are just a slight difference so its hard to tell by first glance
[Droid X General] UCE HAMOCIDE:
Every night I turn off my phone and charge it before I go to bed and in the morning when i turn it on, it goes into clockworkmod recovery...only when it's been off all night but not when it's off for only a few min. Anyone else have this issue?
[Droid X General] Ubermicro13:
My phone sometimes boots into Clockwork Recovery randomly as well. Its not a huge inconvenience just 1 button press but it would be nice to only boot into recovery when I ask lol.
[Droid X General] UCE HAMOCIDE:
Yeah seriously lol
[Droid X General] themobijew:
its a flaw of needing bootstrapper. theres no way around in at the moment.
[Droid X General] Ubermicro13:
I really don't think its that big of an inconvenience really I can live with it =)
[Droid X General] kdkinc:
My theory is that it has to do with being plugged in to a wall charger .

Thats the only time it seems to happen to me.

The official answer is

"How does this work? ( By Koush )

When your device boots up, there is a init.rc script in your boot image that runs various components found in /system. The Droid X recovery bootstrap mimics the "logwrapper" binary. The hijacker then looks for "/data/.recovery_mode", and if it finds it, it unmounts /system to prevent android from starting. It then starts up recovery instead."

It has to do to the "Mimic"

:cool::cool:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Beretta93:
Watch this :

http://blog.laptopmag.com/spb-mobil...on-an-android-interface-we-love#axzz12FwD59YD

Seriously, we NEED this launcher on HD2 to make it the best phone ever, since SPB Mobile Shell will be available on Android AND WinMo. It's not about to be leaked before a very long time, but I hope this thread will be dug out by early 2011. :p
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] asctony:
They, SPB, have been talking about V5 since Feb 2010. They said it was to be released to OEM/Dealers this month. Go to their forums and see how they BS everyone. SPB is very poor in support. Beleive it when you have it on your phone.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] zarathustrax:
It was released to device manufacturers about a week ago. Its finished. They are not BSing anybody. It looks awesome... a major step up from 3.5! And yes, the new version is available for android also!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] boomboomer:
Other than a few improvements to widgets it looks pretty much the same as the 3.5 version I've already got on my phone.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mskip:
Actually I cant wait for spb Mobile Shell to be released on Android. Most people who use Mobile Shell for windows Mobile knows about my ProPlus themes and I want to be able to bring ProPlus to Android aswell.

I just hope it will be available for public sale though as spb seem to only be releasing 5.0 to Manufactureres and Carriers.

Mark.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] asctony:
So, when do you think it will be available from SPB for us to DnI?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mskip:
Did you not read my post? It might never be available to download if they only ship it to carriers and manufacturers to put in new phones only.

Mark.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Samsunguy:
when the folders open like the favorite contacts it opens like the ui in ios 4 folders
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] fusion06:
"...SPB Mobile Shell 5.0, which works on Android, Symbian, and Windows Mobile devices. Unfortunately, this is not something you can download. SPB is targeting OEMs and carriers to deploy this software."

That kind of sucks because iv'e been following the development of 5.0 for a long time now and WAS excited. Knowing this, however, kind of bumbed me out. Guess i figured it'd be a quick update from 3.5 or maybe another full payment to download it.

Didn't figure i'd have to get a new phone..although, if this U.I. comes with the new phones, i'd feel a bit dupped...seeing that theirs came free with the phone but we dished out cash for ours. :rolleyes:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Beretta93:
Let's just hope there will be a leak before 2011. ;)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] asctony:
Yes, I read your post. I have also read 1,000s of others about this subject. Been on SPB forums, too. Did Google searches, too. You Tube, too. So?

Did you read my post? I said the same thing that is was going out to OEMs.

Was just hoping that someone would know if and when and how it will be released other than OEM, carriers and/or manufactures.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] norpan111:
Isn't it just to port it from another release?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Don001:
Yeah I hope so to, would look great and having used SPB before, it would be amazing, it does look good though from the screen shots seem! Just hope they release it to the public as you've stated.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mskip:
Its not going to be available to anyone other than OEM's as they are releasing it in kit form for the carriers to add their own finishing touches. There was a post in the Spb Mobile Shell forum on the 7th which you actually replied to. If it does get ripped out of a phone then unfortunately it wont be available on xda as im sure it will be a licensed package and therefore considered warez.

Mark.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] norpan111:
Well that answers my question. But lets say Samsung release "samsung forlifeordie SPB5.0" and then devs port that samsung build to lets say HTC almostsameassamsungbutnot. Now is this still not suitable for xda? Still "warez" ?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] JanssoN:
Yes I think so. If you extracted something out of that ROM that others have to pay for, then it is still "warez". It's not opensource.

Correct me if I'm wrong please.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Beretta93:
Maybe not, after all, it's not even proposed for sale to the customers, only manufacturers. I mean, HTC has not been making an issue about the use of Sense running on other phones it wasn't supposed to, right?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] malaeus:
that really depends on the company's attitude toward it. HTC seems to be treating the Sense thing the same way adobe treats it.

if you download it illegally, and use it long enough, you will get hooked and want to buy it.

i mean, how many people upgraded to a native sense android phone. after using sense on their g1's
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mastajest:
I agree that this should be treated like ROMs with Sense. Since it's not available for the public to buy, it's shouldn't be considered warez.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] TacoLoco:
If it won't be on xda it'll be on some other page who cares.. What SPB does is not customer friendly they hyped it long time ago and now again and tell us that we probably won't get it.. pff we will get it for sure ;)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ivo34:
when SPB presented the new spbms spb 5.0 in February was something really exciting, but have been delayed much longer to launch and how's the new Froyo and the new ginger that comes are,SPB 5.0 will not be anything special I think!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] olyloh6696:
any news on this topic? i heard from some rumors that the vesrion for users is out on 22nd nov. it makes some sense too, as they

can't release for Windows phone 7, but it will be available for 6.5 a dead and os, no manufacturers will develop for. so they will have to sell it to customers. it is also denied on hd2 aswell on videos which is 6.5. please give your opinions :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mskip:
Where did you hear these rumours?

I guess you will have to wait until 22nd November and see what happens :)

Mark.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] the_scotsman:
Doesn't look too bad...probably wouldn't use it myself though...those 3d carousels have been tried before, and were just never very popular...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mskip:
I dont think I have ever used the carousel in the 2+ years I have been using and modding Mobile Shell. On the other hand its a new toy to play with and see how it can be ripped apart and improved :D

Mark.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] olyloh6696:
sorry, mark, didnt get your reply, i heard that from other spb mobile 5 forums on xda too, not sure which. hope you can bring your windows phone 7 theme to it!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mskip:
Hopefully :)

Mark.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] huggs:
I dont see the appeal of spb ms. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it just seems like bloatware to me. Its a shell that goes around a shell. I mean WM is bloated enough, look how bad sense bogs it down. Then you throw in the bloat that the carriers are gonna load it down with, and you'll need a hummingbird just to run it right out of the box. Sure it's flashy, but adds not an ounce of functionality at the end of the day. They are marketing it as 'everything on your phone is right at your fingertips, you dont have to go looking for it'. Really, it's too much to touch the start button or open up your app drawer? Maybe if it was free, but I didnt like it enough to pay for 3.5. Theres no way I'd buy a whole new phone just to get 5.0, which doesnt look much different
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] zarathustrax:
I always liked mobile shell better than sense for winmo... ms is much more customizable. I'm not sure what you mean about a shell over a shell... its a shell to use instead of another shell. It uses less ram than sense does for winmo, I believe. My phone always ran better with ms rather than sense.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] huggs:
I mean that really any os is just a graphical shell that manipulates command line operation. Windows itsself is more or less just a shell, just one with a superior marketing department. SPB MS, or Sense, or whatever you use, is just a shell over that.

Not 100% accurate, but I figure you know what I mean. If spb came up with something that interacts at the kernel level, and skips the need for all the junk in WM or Android that is just unused bloat (since with spb you are not using alot of the os features because spb replaces them graphically), then I think it might be more worht having.

I mean to open your web browser for example, in windows start menu is a link to it, then you install spb ms, and there is now another link which does the same function.

The most resource efficient means of opening your browser would be to order it so via command line execution, but we all know that people wont go for that lol. Thats where the graphical os comes in, but now we are almost having another os atop that one. Seems inefficient to me

But no offense intended, it is all personal preference ;-)

I should not gripe about spb ms, i use sense and the same argument can be made against sense lol