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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] gazzacbr:
help for haret setup

i really wanted to go for a full nand install but navigaton is the killer for me atm.

no android for tomtom and the version of igo8 for android sucks so bad compared to the winmo version its pathetic.

so.....

@mt1976: how do you have your haret setup in terms of the sd card? i had an eclair build all on sd, and tried froyo on part sd, part ext2 in dif combos on a 4gb card but didnt notice the difference. is there a 'best' setup for an sd card?

when all was sd, i could simply transfer the dirs to my main working 16gb and run the same but also hoping to do the same if i go for ext2 partitions.

any help at all will be appreciated.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] paoletto2:
I have a couple of questions: it looks like latest scoot build is the most complete build for kaiser, but is there a package that can be installed easily? i see there's only the tar in the first post of the thread, no version with andboot and haret..

also, what does not work on the scoot RLS5? 2g/3g/wifi/bluetooth/camera all working?

and second question: there's no chance to get camera fully working on our Kaiser, right? :(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] tiagoclc:
There's a significative performance loss, according to quadrant benchmark.

I was getting 370. Better than motodroi. But now, I get, only, 250...

Kaiser - 29/11 nbh - system partition 117 mb, data partition rest (hex fiend) - scooter's 6.1 rls5a - oc 500 / gpu oc (atools) - odexed (dzo's script)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] albertorodast2007:
With all my apps loaded I'm feelin a slowdown too... and benchmarks aren't necesary, enabling JIT compensates... but instead of saying JIT on the label it should say: yeah f*ck up my /data! LOL :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] scooter1556:
There are lots of options with android and navigation, i use google navigation which integrates really nicely into android and is actually really good but only if you have a data plan. When my free data runs out i use co-pilot which i have found to be just as good as tomtom which i used on windows mobile. I agree iGo8 is crap on android. I'd also recommend trying Sygic Mobile Maps which is also very good and NDrive is worth trying too. Out of them all i'd spend money on either copilot or sygic though.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] mt1976:
I use a fat32 formated sdhc card for haret without ext2 partition because I can make backups very easy from a good working haret installation because you only have to copy the "andboot" folder to your computer or a seperate folder on your card (e.g. "andboot_donut" + "andboot_froyo" + ....) and you can change them easily with rename in "andboot" in windows mobile when you are not at home and this is a wonderful feature to have "different" android systems "always available" (for example a stable donut or froyo with old stable kernel and a 2. testing system with new kernel).

And I have the same problem because I need windows mobile for the well working tomtom navigaton software. This is the only reason why I need windows mobile on one kaiser at the moment.

"Quick" manual for haret:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=9502366&postcount=304

Download this and extract folder andboot to root on your sdhc card. Then change your panel, keypad and maybe more settings (battery capacity ...) in the file default.txt with an editor.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=8709621&postcount=1

Then download the latest release and extract the androidinstall.tar to the andboot folder on your sdhc card.

h**p://it029000.massey.ac.nz/vogue/files/haret-for-kernel-2-6-32.exe

Download haret-for-kernel-2-6-32.exe and save it in the andboot folder.

Then start haret-for-kernel-2-6-32.exe in windows mobile and hold the center until you come to the installation menu. Then make the installation. Then exit and android should boot.

There are better manuals here in this forum for haret but for a first test this should be ok.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] scooter1556:
The solution is putting ipv6 support in the kernel which is being worked :) The build is all ready for it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] gazzacbr:
@scooter1556: cant understand why igo8 should be different on android when its so good on winmo???? and where are tomtom?? data plan is very expensive here (Dubai) and obviously no good without phone signal (eg. out in the desert) ;-)

its the "spend money'' bit i'm not keen on as i have money invested in tomtom and igo8 but will pick up a ''trial'' version of copilot or sygic to give them a go.

@mt1976: thanks for advise, will try out tomorrow, will stick to sd card fat32 only for now then until i can resolve my needs for android and dump winmo on the kaiser (or buy a new phone :-D )

also... good in the bar when someone says, ''hey look at my android phone'' and i say, ''wait, see this windows phone, it dual boots to android.'' or is that just childish :-p

sorry to put these questions in this forum as they not ''development'' but where to ask about an unsupported navigation program on an unofficial os ;-)

my 2c: as these builds have now become stable is it time for a ''Kaiser Android Software'' forum to clear this for development only???
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] mt1976:
First I want to mention that the CyanogenMod has really interesting tweaks and features, but it is not stable with haret and the 2.6.32 kernel at the moment (my opinion).

If you want a stable android system via haret I can only recommend at the moment the old kernel 2.6.25 and for the android system e.g. Fresh froyo from dzo or warbyte donut. This is my experience.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] albertorodast2007:
Stability isn't a problem now.. I even enabled JIT (at last!) and had no FC's so far... I guess I was pushing too much my oldie enabling JIT + ocing to 520.... but scoot! I'm still a lil disapointed... RLS4 was a bit unstable but my! It was like inyecting nitrous to my tilt! Can't you implement clem's odexing process to this build...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] aceoyame:
I will have an odex'ed barebones rls 5 out when I get to it. Newborns keep one busy lol. As for implementing an odex, it is easy to do if you wanted to do yourself. I used the odex information on thoughtless kyle's fat free on page 3 I think? It may have been on his regular build. But that is how I odex my builds. With my next release I am going to release them with the script that odex's any new apps installed. I think scoot doesn't odex because it takes time to get the build's odexed and he already has to compile two different builds.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] scooter1556:
Sorry for the disappointment! I don't personally like odexing the build, it makes releasing updates a pain and takes time. There isn't a huge advantage to odexing anyway, it speeds up booting but the same information gets created and stored in dalvik cache once the app had been run so although with the data instabilities this can cause issues, odexing isn't the miracle speed boost people seem to think it is. Unless your clearing dalvik cache every time you reboot, there shouldn't be much of a difference in speed once you have been running the build for a day or so.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] mt1976:
@albertorodast2007

The question is, what do you mean with "stability"?

My kaiser 1 is running now since about “3 weeks” without reboots and it works always well with kernel 2.6.25 and froyo @ nand. This is “my definition” of a stable android system. But I have only moderate use with my kaiser (a few calls and a few sms each day, sometimes browsing and mailing over wifi and 2G/3G and reading some rss news, playing MP3s in the car with a connection cable, sometimes using the speaker in calls….). And this all works well for me with the old kernel and fresh froyo.

I think a mobile phone should be stable for "weeks" and it should run for minimum 2 days with moderate using with one charge (and I get about 2 days with 1350mA battery with moderate using). And it should have a good mobile browser, an offline rss reader and comfortable email client and some games and a navigation software. The complete system and the launcher should be fast enough to have a good experience, but I do not overclock because stability and battery lifetime is much more important for me than maybe 10% or 20% more performance but this is my personal opinion.

So I am happy with fresh froyo at the moment but I miss some features which I saw in scoot’s CyanogenMod. The special tweak menu is very interesting and nice, the included sound recorder is a good feature and it has some other interesting features (e.g. the battery %....) which I really miss in fresh froyo. So this is the reason why I spend some time for tests with this mod and haret because I love a parametric system with the possibility to adjust all things (jit, compcache, launcher …).

@scooter1556

So keep on with your great work and I hope and wish we will get a stable 2.6.32 kernel with a stable CyanogenMod without data corruption in the near future.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] albertorodast2007:
@mt1976

I sence some discomfort in your words, and dunno if i didnt made myself clear so ill make my best effort explaining this :D, thats exactly what im talking bout, scoot's build are damn good stable! Just like an SD donut installation, proof of this: its the only build I could enable JIT and so far had no /data corruption!! If there's a way of finding solution to this im sure scoot is going the right way!

But in the other hand, scoot's builds are really famous for speed, i guess that's why aceoyame based his work over this builds! but i was experiecing a little slowdown on RLS 5a, its not a big deal i know, if i want more speed i should buy a newer car instead of changing the driver! Even though, think i found the solution for this slowdown... i was using warbyte's weather widget cause i (erroneously) thought it was the only clock widget that displayed correclty on landscape mode... but i uninstalled it, and downoalded over the market the latest fancy widwet and now its a lot more sanappier! I guess this is because warbyte modded it for donut, not for froyo... plus fancy widget now displays correctly over landscape mode.... so sorry bout any missunderstanding!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] aceoyame:
Actually I based it on his because I love Cyanogen based roms. But it does seem to be one of the fastest. I am going to experiment over the weekend with clemsyns and a barebones but I still think CM is going to be the fastest just simply due to how optimized it is. Oh and expect my RLS 5 to hit today, I'm feeling especially productive. Expect a few surprises with RLS 5.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] albertorodast2007:
NOOOO! data corruption just as i was posting the answer!! Bad karma! Gods punishment! He really hates us Daedric! :D restoring data.... i think i still have the GPS issue, gonna leave it on.... and see what happens, finding the right radio is like winning the lottery i gues....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] X46X:
Which radio are you using? Which radio are recomended?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] aceoyame:
Right now any 1.65 radio is the recommended. But even within that series you can get one that won't work. What works is different for everyone.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] object3d:
Hello Scoot,

Your latest build is fast. Just one unusual thing is frequent restarts. Any idea how to control this or is it a known issue?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] thebazman:
hi

just flashed this rom, first time flashing froyo for my kaiser.

had flashed donut thru haret a while ago when just in development.

very impressed how far android has come for the kaiser as ive got a galaxy s also running froyo.

How do i get see my phone on pc ,i tried the suggestion about rebooting into the recovery but couldnt get to see my sdcard

I would just like to get into internal storage if possible or if someone could point me in the right direction

regards
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] aceoyame:
rebooting into bootloader is so you can flash the phone. As far as getting the SD to be detected on the pc I have no idea. I do know ADB works though, also a card reader works well to.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] thebazman:
hi

i know what the bootloader does im just saying i followed this

Originally Posted by thebulletfromhell

To mount the card, reboot the phone, select recovery mode, plug in the phone and press enter and exit. It will boot normally and when it finish booting, the card will be mounted

cheers for replying
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] mt1976:
@albertorodast2007

Then I am really curious if you can give me in a few days more details about the stability. If it is really stable over a week or two weeks then I will try it on nand.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] albertorodast2007:
LOL, read a little above, i had a major /data corruption right after clicking on "Submit Reply"! But i guess it was bcause of my strange issue, if I turn off GPS really odd things start to happen... (random boots, FC's, freezes) or maybe was JIT... give it a try maybe you got more luck!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] mt1976:
@albertorodast2007

ok, sounds not good. But maybe 3 weeks ago I had the same problem with kernel 2.6.25 and fresh froyo. When I started gps and google maps, I didn't got a gps signal and my phone crashed when I switched gps off.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] manmani:
Help!!

Hi all, I'm testing this version for a week and many do not really have done very well. I have a Cruiser (Polaris or Pola100) with radio version 1.59.44.02, install data / system on nand, I have a 4GB SD Class 4. Use Atools to install.

Initially everything worked very well, very fast, when I went to test the camera I saw that picture and not show when I take a picture out all green, I still use the phone, I notice it starts to warm up in the area of the camera, from then everything is slower and consumes the battery faster. The only thing I can do is turn off the phone, but when I run it shows error in loading the system, one of them is "corruption block 55" but can not remember where, when you finish loading the OS is re-boot animation and so in a seemingly endless cycle.

Someone can help me? the fact that I like this version .. but I'm thinking of replacing it with another that you use kernel 2.6.25 and was stable ...

It is a problem in kernel? for my radio?

I appreciate that you can help

En español:

Hola a todos, estoy probando esta versión desde hace una semana y la verdad no mu ha ido muy bien. Tengo un Cruiser (Polaris o Pola100) con versión de radio 1.59.44.02, instale data/system en nand, tengo una SD de 4Gb clase 4. Use Atools para instalar.

Al inicio funciono todo muy bien, muy rápido, cuando fui a probar la cámara de fotos vi que no mostraba imagen y cuando saco una foto sale todo verde, sigo usando el teléfono, noto que empieza a calentar en la zona de la cámara, desde ese momento todo anda mas lento y la batería rápidamente de consume. La único que puedo hacer es apagar el teléfono, pero cuando lo enciendo muestra errores en la carga del sistema, uno de ellos es "corrupción bloque 55" pero no recuerdo de donde, cuando termina de cargar el OS se vuelve a la animación de boot y asi en un ciclo aparentemente infinito.

Alguien podrá ayudarme? la verdad que me gusta esta versión.. pero estoy pensando en reemplazarla por otro que use con kernel 2.6.25 y era estable...

Es un problema por el kernel? por mi radio?

Les agradezco a los que puedan ayudarme
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] aceoyame:
I believe the issue with the polaris camera is known and if I remember I think I remember someone saying we won't get it to work. It was either the polaris or the vogue, I don't remember.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] aceoyame:
Well I have some good news. I was about to release my rls 5 as well today, it's actually just waiting to be odex'd but I think im going to wait because CM 6.1 has a stable release now. I am going to wait till scoot gets that compiled and will skip 5 for 6 as that should be more stable.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] daedric:
This:

... but when I run it shows error in loading the system, one of them is "corruption block 55" but can not remember where,...

Is pretty normal. I have it too, on block 636. When the nands are made, they're tested for bad blocks, and marked. Don't worry, the filesystem can read the BadBlockTable (must have a proper name) and avoid using those blocks.

As for the camera... try this, reinstall ALL, do not use the camera.

Tell us if you still get a warm feeling around the camera...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] scooter1556:
There hasn't been any drastic commits since when I compiled to now, the CyanogenMod team just feel that it is stable enough to warrant coming out of the testing phase so even if i did recompile there would be no noticeable changes :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] aceoyame:
Ok good to know, guess i'll release what I have then! Thanks scoot.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] manmani:
Thanks, yeah I do not use the camera I have no problems, no heat. The only problem is that if for some reason I restart and the system is wrong ...

Gracias, si, si no utilizo la cámara no tengo problemas, no calienta. El único problema es que si por algún motivo debo reiniciar ya queda mal el sistema...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] TheFstX:
I like Scoot's Release! It's a really cool ROM. It is stable and pleasant fast.

But I have one question! How can I add an mp3 from my SD-Card as ringtone?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] scooter1556:
Open the 'Music' app and browse to the song you want as your ringtone. When you find it hold down on the song name until an option box appears and select 'Use as phone ringtone' from the options available :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] a.s.j:
I's even easier to create a folder on SD card like:

/media/audio/ringtones/ - all what's inside will be automatically added as ringtones

/media/audio/notifications/ - the same for notifications

so I guess that /media/audio/alarms/ would be for alarms (I did not try)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] TheFstX:
It works with the Music App. I'm really blind! ;)

And, is it possible to change the current keyboard layout to the german layout? I miss the special characters I can choose with the "FN" button. It is harder to write with the current layout. And it lacks some punctuation.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] ouz:
it is really fast build , and i very like it.... but when phone freezes sometime , i had to reset phone ....then endless bootanimation starts :(

kais 130 , kernel 29.11 , no oc
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] aceoyame:
The clemsyn's kernel attached on the last page in the kernel thread. That should solve the issue. If not then try giving my 4.55 build a try.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] vellowax:
init.d

scooter,

i forgot to ask you since 4c rls, i only have 4c rls, dunno about the newer rls.

i noticed that you dont have this in your sysinit.rc

or it doesn't necessary to add it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] aceoyame:
Have you checked anything with my barebones builds? They are based on scoots code except for the latest rls 5. That one is more of a pure CM 6.1 build.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] vellowax:
i have your 4.5, but for init.d, same with scooter, doesn't have what i mention before. i don't have your latest rls. i'll check later if i have a chance to download it.

if you call that init.d, sysctl will give you more tweak for the build, and maybe you can add some tweak for internet too.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] scooter1556:
I'm not sure about RLS4 but in RLS5 /system/bin/sysinit is called which runs the command for init.d. There's nothing of any importance in the /etc/init.d at the minute anyway but like you say, sysctl.conf can be used for extra tweaks to dalvik-cache etc...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] TheFstX:
It is possible to change the keyboard layout? :confused:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] scooter1556:
What happens if you change the language in 'Settings-Language & Keyboard' or 'Settings-Language & Keyboard-Android Keyboard-Input Languages'? I'm not sure you can just change the layout without changing the language but i'm not sure to be honest. Obviously this will only work with the all language build.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] TheFstX:
The Systemlanguage is German but the layout is not german. But as I said it lacks the special characters and missing some punctuation and I have are otherwise occupied. Even with the software keyboard part, I have the same problem.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] scooter1556:
Is this the same with all builds or just this one? You can always try the htc keyboard update in the first post and see if that keyboard does what you want.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] TheFstX:
I tried this build only. I will be sticking with this build as I am completely satisfied! Only with the keyboard I would still try to change.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] scooter1556:
Good to hear, try some different keyboards from market and see if they do what you want, i've looked it up briefly and it seems the standard android keyboard doesn't support custom layouts but there may be some keyboards available that do. There are a few in the market such as swiftkey, better keyboard etc...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] TheFstX:
Okay, I've downloaded the androidupdate.tar and copied it to the SD.

Now I wanted to install the update to the Android Installer but there are only error messages.

/data failed: No such device or adress
Failed
Failed to mount
unmount: can't unmount /data: Invalid argument
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] scooter1556:
You need to put the androidupdate.tar in the andboot folder on your sd card, reboot your phone and go into the install menu (hold down D-Pad during boot) and select install update. You can't apply updates from within android :) To select the keyboard once the update is applied hold down in a text entry box which will bring up a list of installed keyboards, select the one which isn't Android Keyboard.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] TheFstX:
I copied the *.tar in the "andboot" Folder an I was in the install menu. ;)

And there I became the Errormessages.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] scooter1556:
That's odd! Which kernel NBH are you using? Try copying the apk i have attached to this post to your sd card and installing in android :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] TheFstX:
I use this kernel: 2.6.32 - 11/29/10 by l1q1d

I copy the *.apk in the andboot folder or? Is this to install in the installer menu? Sry for this N00b Questions. :o

//EDIT: I installed the "Touch input" but I had only one language to choose and this is English! :(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] a.s.j:
Nope, just put it anywhere at SD (or create /apk folder just to have some good habbit), let the phone boot to Android and use your File Manager to run this file. It would perhaps prompt you for App Manager to install the app.

So you do not need the boot menu for .apk to install. It is the format you download from the Market.