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[Windows Phone 7 General] spankyu:
Guys its just the ui that matters.. Android offers everything that wp7 is now beginning to offer. Only problem with android is the ui which is unable to display the information to the user the way wp7 does.. But I guess if wp7 has a better ui then android will put on a fight with gingerbread. Only problem with android is that all of us ain't using a nexus hence the experience will be different to all of us. And software updates in android are a joke when it comes to the consumer end... Still waiting for froyo.... May end up buying wp7 because of the experience :-)

Just love that ui... Makes android look old and fragmented.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tkolev:
I still find it hard to believe that MS will update the hardware-related parts of the ROM. Now it's easy - there is one processor, one resolution, etc. but these are the minimum specs the phones must meet. I guess will have to wait a couple of years to see what's going to happen. My feeling is that the update system will never be as efficient as Apple's and will have all of it's drawbacks. In the end WP will be as fragmented as Android and as closed as iOS. I hope I'm wrong!
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
In others words, Android is a toy to play with and WP7 is a tool for accomplishment. I agree with that, but I also think there is nothing wrong with the "toy" aspect of Android. My HD2, which uses Android, is a wonderful toy to alleviate boredom. I can have a new phone ((Google Nexus One, HTC DesireHD, T-Mobile MyTouch 4G, HTC Evo, HTC Desire, Motorola Streak, Samsung Galaxy S, Apple iPhone and many others)) with my HD2 all the time by simply plugging in a card. But My HD7 is the prized dream phone I always wanted. It is such a sweet system and just purely full of luxury. WP7 is the future of mobile.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jennan88:
I didn't mean that to come across as Android bashing as it did - I'm currently using an Android phone at the moment, and it's not awful. It's just (in my opinion, others feel free to disagree) far too complex for a device that's intended primarily to make life easier.

I've had to do a lot of messing around with it to get it working properly, and that's time I'd much rather spend watching movies, reading or doing a hundred other things rather than trolling through forums and youtube howtos for hours trying to update to the right software, fix web browser lag, make SMS notifications work as they should, and, most importantly, find out when freakin froyo was coming.

In the end, fragmentation was what killed android for me - the fact that, because my device wasn't a developer device, I knew I didn't have the best experience. Hopefully, with Microsoft in control, that won't happen with WP7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] water911:
You sir, are right.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
dude, they are -phones-. a tool for accomplishment ? please. people make million dollar decisions on freaking flip phones everyday. the phone doesn't matter in the equation AT ALL other than being the device you yap into.

ahem

luxury ? in a phone ? where's the heated leather seat, the 19 inch wheels, the self-healing glass( oh wait, there is that after all ) in this luxury you're refering to ?

as far as having to write bash scripts ( LOL ) to do anything, it sounds like someone got stuck in a linux IRC channel while trolling for newbies. to completely unlock a nexus phone, including installation of root privilages, AND a custom rom is less than 3 clicks, and surfing to xda dev. there is absolutely no need in installing custom skins, themes, or other software to "get things to work", which is where you contradicted yourself.

if you want to make an argument in the pros of non-customizable systems, make it. security, reliability, and functionality are fine points.

dismissing customization is frivolous or 'toyish' is foolish, and reeks of jealousy.

points man, not contradictions.

also, one more thing, "luxury" used in a post about phones smacks of a J.D. Power - esque paid shill.... er, i mean "review" of a product. corporate sponsered posts on forums have a very certain flavor, and it's always ****.

:)
[Windows Phone 7 General] zukа:
I think it's a bit ridiculous to accuse the above guy of a "corporate post". Yours sounded like you have a giant, incurable hard on for the nexus one, but I'm not about to accuse you of working for google. Some people just like their devices.

Also, to agree with others, I find android's "customisation" to be lazy, almost as if they can't be bothered designing a good user interface so they leave you to your own devices. This is my opinion, but I don't believe android has been tested very well in regards to consumer friendliness and usability - all the touted widget functionality I had to find by myself on the market, and I could never settle on a theme that wasn't painfully, painfully ugly compared to other phones on the market.

It's cool if you have the time and motivation to essentially build your own user experience, but I'd rather leave it in the hands of graphic designers and software engineers and enjoy a good experience out of the box. I certainly don't hate Android and I'm not trying to be disrespectful, I just find the design and usability of MS's product better
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
you're right about my use of the paid shill part. should have left it alone.

I keep reading so many posts about people not wanting any customizing possible, trusting graphics designers, etc. and can't help but think of iPhone user: not very customizable, not very open, and works very very well. they've been doing it for a minute too.

live Widgets aren't some I crave personally on my (giant hard on for my nexus, yes) device either. weather, facebook, and a post it type task list, along with the goocalendar are all I use. three screens instead of five or seven, and a hourly changing background image of my " FAVORITES" picasa web album for the background. very minimalist, very very pretty.

I'd love to see/use the video editing software of ios and expect m$ will duplicate it someday. that would Rock! then reality bites again, and there is no way to share it with friends, and it's pointless.

what do folks on wp7 do with their ripped DVD movies too? email them to their exchange account for transfer? hmmm
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
@water911

Your post has some points but is funny too.

There are many many devices with camera shutter, it's not WP7 specific, don't be funny.

And we'll see how you/we will love WP7 UI after a year or two when almost nothing can be changed visually and all is text based, almost no graphic elements. I bet some will be bored to death.

But the whole dicussion is about features, and currently WP7 loses miserably in some areas giving great opportunities in other.

We just have to see how MS will handle that. I'm curious and will probably try soon LG E900.
[Windows Phone 7 General] naplesbill:
Fanboyism is irrelevant to the general consumer. You guys should just agree to disagree. Customization is fine, as long as it isn't required. Most people will never take the time to learn half of what a phone can do.

The more the general use is standardized, the better it is for the general consumer. We techies are not the general consumer and are much more willing to waste time with widgets and customization. As long as people can do a custom background or ringtones, that is all most of them care about.

BTW, I am not a fanboy of any platform, I just like to try them all (over and over it seems). I am currently using a Samsung Focus and the "lack" of customization has not affected me at all. I have had it since release day in the US. The live tiles are as good as any widgets (any that I liked anyway) I have used on an Android phone. I have a custom lockscreen background and all of the tiles on the home screen are arranged and customized for my usage patterns. You can say WP7 isn't customizable, but in all the important ways, it is.

As far as DVD movies, you just sync them through Zune on the PC.
[Windows Phone 7 General] naplesbill:
He is referring to the ability to activate the camera (via the button) without turning the phone on or unlocking it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tomhierl:
WP7 does not work straight away - because it does not work at all with all the moronic limitations!

So... feature x in Spring, feature y in Autumn, feature z next Spring... where will Android be when WP7 FINALLY has all the features?

WP7 will never catch up, because Android is being developed so much faster.

Fragmentation is good, because it lets Google move MUCH faster. Microsoft has to wait for OEMs and carriers, Google can just develop away... and Microsoft is incredibly slow anyway.

Fragmentation = choice = competition = innovation.

Limitations/censorship = no competition = no innovation.

That's the deal.

Android can do EVERYTHING faster than WP7.

Android is for getting things done AND toying, WP7 is for people without a clue (because they know nothing about Android - if they knew anything about Android, they would not buy WP7).

Android lock screen:
[Windows Phone 7 General] ceesheim:
Hi , is that the standard lockscreen (no app's or modded to get that working) ?
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
That is a great thing but useless since the device does not remember settings.
[Windows Phone 7 General] michellini:
I love this thread...My husband and I are looking for new phones... his is more for business he uses outlook and never ever really does anything to his phone. So I was thinking W7 would be good for him. I always customize remove bloatware etc so I was looking at Android..... now which phones to get ..lol

thanks for all the info on here though
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
You truly should consider maybe even glancing at another OS before you bash it. Android regardless of how epic it is (I was a 2 year android fanboy) is just somewhat childish in presentation. The visuals regardless of how you doll them up are less than impressive and no matter how clean you want it to look it will never be as clean as wp7 and still be functional. Thusfar the only thing WP7 falls short on opposed to android is gaming which considering we have the easiest platform ever to develop games on should take no time to mend. Android develops quickly, yes, but WP7 makes developments that matter, android hasnt made any truly profound changes since 1.6
[Windows Phone 7 General] flopez76:
I don't think it is the standard lockscreen, it's an app I think?
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
I just put 4 videos on my HD7 for the first time and it was painless. I followed MS's rules and used Zune to transfer them to my HD7. They play and look exemplary (even with the conversion) and sound awesome.

EDIT - by the way, just for noting, I have yet to watch a loaded video in Android. I've tried all the usual formats: AVI, MP4 and such, but none of them will play. I have never had such restrictiveness in WinMo or WP7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
That isn't the normal lockscreen on any Android build. It doesn't represent any Android convenience. And it does appear to be photshopped.
[Windows Phone 7 General] orb3000:
Windows Phone 7 vs. Android?

My choice is to stay on WM and be able to run any of them when ever I want:cool::)
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
drag and drop them and any other videos straight onto the phone through zune. Your phone doesn't even have to be connected to the computer to do it...

1. How does wp7 not work out of the box??? Enter your login info and it does everything for you. Not sure how much easier it could be.

2. You are the first person to call fragmentation a good thing. I wonder how the 5 million galaxy s users feel about it (still no 2.2 with 2.3 being released this week).

MS will be able to push updates out, the carriers and oems don't have to do anything to them to make them work. That is the beauty of it.

3. and which phone comes stock with that lockscreen???
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
that is always an option.

What I have found though as I update my wife's hd2 (with my son's to follow), is that winmo is painfully slow after using the hd7 for the last few weeks.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jsgiv:
Actually - WP7 devices are much easier to remove bloatware from (Press the app/hold - click uninstall and done) than Android devices (which you effectively have to root/use custom ROMs)..

If you want to do "custom screens" and use "custom apps" .. android is a little better overall - but at the end of the day - there's only so much you can do with either platform (again with stock versus actually rooting and using Custom ROMs).
[Windows Phone 7 General] orb3000:
I haven´t the chance to try WP7 on my Leo but Android is just flying;)

Tested some WP7 themes and must say, I think I prefer Android:rolleyes:
[Windows Phone 7 General] jonrwg:
1. Every OS does that too. No?

2. That is Samsung management side, not Android. :) And Android Gingerbread can be installed now, there are a few thread about it. :)

3. Gingerbread does have the same slider. That lock screen is an app called WidgetLocker. Fantastic apps and is free.
[Windows Phone 7 General] The Gate Keeper:
running a hacked up version of something isn't really the same as running it on a device made for the OS. This applies more for windows phone 7 than it did in any of it's previous forms (i.e. windows mobile 6.x). i've seen that theme that was created for spb shell, and others, but it really does not even come close to the windows phone 7 experience.

The person was responding to tomhierl dribble. tomhierl is saying that windows phone doesn't work out of the box, which it does (answered in 1). The example he provided for 2 was showing how tomhierl's example of fragmentation being good is clearly not. And 3, yes it's an app, but many here are comparing just the stock ones as windows phone's lock screen is a stock one.

I have a friend who decided to go with a Desire HD because she like a few of the gimmick tools provided such as the augmented reality. I don't knock her for choosing it, but she really hasn't done any customisation to it. It still looks exactly how it did when HTC shipped it. The power is all there, but the general user won't really use it. Not to say that it should be taken away, but I'm saying the general consumer uses a product as is out of the box and grabs a few apps they think are useful. Only real power hungry users will grab all these different apps to fully customise up the OS. This is where windows mobile 6.x and android were/are the great tools they are for those sorts of people.

as for me, i think i'll continue to use my windows phone without needing to wonder if that app i just installed is going to crash my whole OS or not...
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
I never said Android was bad. I use it on my HD2. But I do find it to an OS to *play with*...like a toy. But I have had real Android phones and would not choose one over WP7 in a choice. Android is perfect for phones like the HD2 that can sample any and all of them. But none of them are worth, to me, to spend a large amount of money on.

For anyone interested in Android, I highly recommend acquiring an HTC HD2 and using the card-based Android builds. There are some of them that are actually as good or better than the original. I owned a T-Mobile MyTouch 4G for a few days and now the MyTouch Android build is up. It actually works better than the MyTouch phone I had. The build is smoother, faster and everything works on it. Plus, being a card-based build, you can switch out to any number of other builds available if you get bored. Currently, the MyTouch, Motorola Steak-lite and DesireHD builds, are my favorites.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Hmm but right now many things don't work on WP7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jcX4ever:
I make apps and games for WP7 (XNA/Silverlight) but my phone is an Android customized fully to fit my lifestyle.

A phone should be customized to fit the user...... not customize the user to fit the phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
That's your philosophy. That philosophy is for you and others who share it. My philosophy is the way WP7 and iPhone works. Nobody is trying to stop you from having your philosophy. Please don't try to change everyone else to suit your philosophy.
[Windows Phone 7 General] bernaserra:
Says you, I feel like I need to customize android just to get it to work decently. Not everyone shares your opinion, look at iPhone. One phone and still the top dog, it took android how many phones and carriers to make a dent? The thing is a lot of people want a phone that can fit into their lifestyle without having to tweak everything to get it to work properly. If iPhone wasn't locked to one carrier android would not even be in the game. I think MS realized that with WP7 and created a great alternative.

Previous owner of HTC Hero,Samsung Moment,Nexus one, EVO
[Windows Phone 7 General] CSMR:
I scored the various systems for my own use to see which I should get. WM6.5 came out top :(

Android had the following major problems:

- Very poor Exchange support

They advertize support but email does not work (no subfolder sync), tasks do not work (not present), meeting requests do not work as expected. Basically Android looks like it is years from working Exchange support, which unfortunately rules it out for me.

- no Microsoft office

Minor problems (I didn't bother researching these in detail; I could be wrong here):

- Lack of good music application. (Until the rockbox app is complete.)

- Lack of standardized hardware video acceleration.

WP7 had the following major problems:

- no SIP VOIP support

- no file system
[Windows Phone 7 General] orb3000:
Yes you are right, nothing like the original one, I´ll wait to have a port of WP7 for Leo (hopefully soon) try it and later decide if I like WP7 so much as to buy a new device with it, which I doubt due it´s closeness...
[Windows Phone 7 General] jcX4ever:
This is good.. I need people with this kind of mentality so I can amke meor enyom.

Thank you.
[Windows Phone 7 General] bernaserra:
Your welcome, as long as you make good/useful and well polished apps then I will be very glad to toss you some cash. If you put out crap then no dice. There is no right or wrong OS, just different strokes for different folks.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Viper89:
@ The Gate Keeper "WP7 experience" that is the funniest thing I've heard all day. What is WP7 experience: 2D tile interface( innovation at it's finest), Lack of basic smart phone functions , 15 app push notification limit, lack of 3D gaming( someone correct me if I'm wrong), and a closed OS. What an experience :rolleyes:. The only difference between the WP7 themes and the actual WP7 OS is the dedicated WP7 apps and the Xbox live integration I can't see anything else. But the best thing about the themes is that 1. The sorry 2D tile interface can be turned off, 2. You can change anything about it since we have access to all the files and folders, crazy right? 3. We still can use multitasking and copy and paste lol.

The funniest thing about this thread is all you people saying I just want my phone to work right of the box bla bla bla Android needs to be modded to work bla bla bla. The thing is no phone is perfect out of the box there is "Always something to improve" and if you people are telling me that you can't think of one thing you can improve about your phone then your are lying plain and simple( Your long list of WP7 bugs proves this, and guess what none of you can do a dam thing about it since your OS is closed O the irony haha). So why not have a open OS because there is always room for improvement. And I find it more convenient to make my own personal updates at will then waiting for a closed OS to release them, and when the closed OS'S do release updates some of the problems are not even solved so then once again you are waiting for the next update. Long live Hacking and Modding :p.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JoePR31:
I own 4 Android phones, I've rooted every single one, and have enjoyed customizing nearly every aspect of the UI. That being said, nothing that I've ever done to my Android phones has ever made any of them come close to running as smoothly as my WP7 phone. The few features that WP7 is missing have already been addressed and will be implemented early this coming year. I like Android, but I love my HD7..and prefer using it over any of my Android phones.

I speak from experience, and with the benefit of the unhindered perspective granted to those who don't have their head up their own ass. I'm curious, how many WP7 devices have you owned? That's right, 0. Therefore, you and your misinformed opinions on this topic contribute nothing to this post. If your only reason for posting in here is to hate on WP7, then please be a good little troll and take your act somewhere else. Thank you.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rruffman:
WP7 has 3d gaming and its much better than android gaming by far so not sure where you are getting your information from also wp7 can have 3d tiles, rounded corners if the developer chooses to do so..
[Windows Phone 7 General] The Gate Keeper:
in response to viper's rant...

Lack of basic smart phone functions = yes it is missing some things, but so are all the others. it's been done to death, get over it.

15 app push notification limit = there aren't even 15 apps yet that make use of push notifications, and even if there are, they only relate to third party apps. MS have already said that if they feel the desire, they can up it.

lack of 3D gaming( someone correct me if I'm wrong) = such 3d games include the harvest, assassin's creed, and need for speed undercover

a closed OS = yes it is, it's been out a month and the hackers have cracked it completely like they've done with the iPhone... wow, MS actually knows what they're doing with security for once... again, let's see what comes of the chevron & MS communications.

only difference between the WP7 themes and the actual WP7 OS is the dedicated WP7 apps and the Xbox live integration I can't see anything else = yes you can't see anything else because you have never tried it. The video I watched of the WP7 theme on SPB Shell was far slower, did not replicate WP all that well, and really wasn't a true measure of the actual windows phone 7 performance or stability.

the rest of it... it's all really just a matter of opinion. I find the windows phone experience quite a pleasure. all the phones mentioned in these debates all require the same sort of setup to get them going with the cloud services. and they all offer some form of customisation, whether that be in the form of installing a widget, or pinning a live tile.

I'm just saying that your opinion seems very formed without even having the any real experience with windows phone 7. find a company with a 1 month return policy, and use it non stop for a month and see.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
From your sig. Isn't it, though! Just a purely gorgeous phone, the HD7 is. WP7 is an amazingly fine-crafted piece of kit, for sure. Such an excellent Zune also. The music playing sounds great...using Lame MP3@VBR240 (v.0)...and just today loaded 4 videos on it. Painless and simple to do and oh so sophisticated. The videos look awesome and sound outstanding.

I have yet to be able to play a loaded video on Android because of the much stricter encoding requirements. AVI nor MP4 will work, even though MP4 is listed as compatible. I've triedabout 3 different converters to make MP4 compatible with Android and have had no success. WinMo and now WP7 have zero issues playing videos. In WinMo, I could use a video converted in any converter to AVI or MP4 or whatever.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jcX4ever:
BTW, did you know that Microsoft will catch up any time soon in apps count.

Instead of producing apps, MS is producing Army of Devs to make apps/games. They've released free tools (MVS 2010) that you can download to make your own apps. MS have also ordered their evangelists to teach in universities for free. Students will also have free registration to sell apps in the market. BTW, students are required to make 2 apps/games to get an 'A'.