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[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
I still do not see where it is less functional in any way. Most of the functios that are not implemented are there to protect devs from getting their apps that they work on sideloaded. I've been working a week developing my first windows phone app and barely have a city (its an RPG) If someone took that and hijacked it I'd be upset. you don't want your work for naught and that's why the security measures are in place. Aside from that it's pretty much that you can't copy and paste and thats just generally not important to most people.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Are you joking

http://oldcomputers.net/apple-newton.html

How many features is WebOS lacking from its predecessor? The only problem WebOS has is the devices.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Not joking. Why bring up a link to the Newton? It's well know among techy circles to be a failed device. But it was a mobile device similar to Palm and PocketPC. If you call MS mature by using their PocketPC roots, you have to include the maturity of the other players.

EDIT - And for one thing, the card slot, as missing from WebOS devices.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
It is indeed a very similar topic, and something to dwell on, one factor was ommitted though, if the competition wants to stay in the game they will have to innovate.

I think next couple of years will be interesting :)

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[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
If it is not needed why there is so much talk about it among the current users?

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[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Some people will pick apart an OS and magnify it's flaws. Others are bandwagon jumpers "Android can do this and mine can't? why do I want this then?" Well, we can already do a lot of things android cant even in our earliest version. The push feature is amazing and android will likely never have a UI that is attractive just like computer linux builds are generally unattractive (I have both fedora and ubuntu to tinker with.... cube features cool but overall its a mediocre experience.) We'd already have more apps on our side but were on a completely different platform in every way than iOS and android. Port's aren't going to be instantaneous sadly.
[Windows Phone 7 General] shoemeistah:
If you like to tinker choose android.

If you like to not to tinker choose WP7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
It is an opinion.

Please list the things wp7 can do that android does not, I'm uninformed. Please omit gaming, my gaming is limited to short pig shooting while in transit.

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[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
I love to tinker though I don't like my UI to look like something the cat left on my doorstep as a "gift." Also, tell me what sort of "tinkering" you could do to android in the first month or so of it's release? I had the g1 about 2 weeks after release and that thing was about the ugliest paperweight with cellphone capabilities I'd ever seen til decent devs got in there and started working on it. Just because our hardware's a bit tougher to crack doesn't mean it wont happen, just means our software is better built.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
Again, you are talking about the past. We are in now, Dark Helmet.

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[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
One device from 1993 doesn't make a company mature in the market. You could say its not their first attempt but they're not mature. Anyway a pocket messenger is a far cry from a smartphone.

Card slot missing on the device falls under the category of device problems.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
And we are in an early iteration. In androids original version it couldnt hold a candle to iOS except for those who couldnt afford an iphone. a year later they were competition and a bit after that it android took the iphone from behind. I just cant imagine why everyone expects the first version of an OS to go toe to toe with the big boys of the day. That seems a little like overstepping expectations. As for things WP7 can do that android cant, it's functional in all forms. There is nothing that they say works that doesnt. They admit there are flaws and they work on them. Not to mention GPU acceleration. The fact that that is still omitted is somewhat embarassing :/
[Windows Phone 7 General] jsgiv:
Heh - the first thing that comes to mind is a working GPS..

:rolleyes:
[Windows Phone 7 General] rruffman:
from the first line of code written in wp7 os microsoft has had complete control and say as to what will be and what will not be with the oems, carriers, etc and now they are going to leave the updates up to them?? ms has too much riding on this so i dont doubt for a sec that the updates will come from ms... besides you dont think they thought about that there will be different handsets in the market?? i am very sure they thought about this when they designed the update process.. just because android who so called made an os from ground up and was suspose tobe what iphone and wm wasnt made this huge mistake dosnt mean ms will do it...
[Windows Phone 7 General] rruffman:
your comments reflected here... android will loose most regular customers in the long run...

Motorola has acknowledged numerous bugs present in its long-awaited Android 2.2 Froyo update for the Droid X on Verizon, while at the same time promising an update or updates that will supposedly address each of the issues listed. Since the upgrade rolled out late last month, we'd heard of several problems that owners were experiencing: text message buginess that Moto has already committed to fixing, and audio troubles that the company has copped to in this latest posting. Besides the issue of inconsistent audio quality and song support, upgraded Droid

source http://pocketnow.com/android/motorola-cops-to-droid-x-froyo-upgrade-bugs-promises-fixes
[Windows Phone 7 General] tkolev:
Well, as I said I hope I'm wrong, but unfortunately I lost my crystal ball, so we'll have to wait and see what happens. Hopefuly after two years I'll have to choose between Android and WP7, but for now there is really no choice for me.

It's true that MS had put too much effort in this to leave the upgrades to the OEMs, but I'm not sure they woun't include something in their phones just to stand out from the rest. And this is what will get in the way that Apple avoided being the only manufacturer of iOS devices.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Updates will come directly from MS.

But!

When did this "update" craze become so important?

When I buy a phone, I purchase it for what it can do now. Not what it can potentially do.
[Windows Phone 7 General] goemonate:
I had been an WM fan since WM5 until I got the worst WM phone which is called the samsung omnia so I turned to android nexus one and i am loving every bit of it. now WM7 is out and i am so excited to try the usability of it. i agree that WM7 has what iOS and android have been offering, but the new user interface is what MS is trying to present. the existing aligned icon style are just boring.... i believe android is going to have a hard time in the coming years.

but i still love my android. :) google apps are just too great!
[Windows Phone 7 General] addicus:
Thank you for your great post. I am an avid WM user, not a fanboy as I understand there are limitations to it. I have an HD2 which I flash, but I've never ran Android on it because I find Android to be a psuedo WM6.5 whose interface I can get with SPB Mobile Shell. When it comes down to the nitty gritty the two systems have all of the same flaws and the major cause is a lack of standard hardware requirements and fragmentation. Android in it's 2nd to 3rd year has ran into the same issues we here at XDA experienced ever since WM5 arrived on the scene. We all thought we'd get the free upgrade for WM5 and 6 and were denied. Then we thought we'd all get the free upgrade for WM6.1 and 6.5 and were denied. Luckily the great developers here cracked the code and brought those upgrades to many of our devices, but having a "Legacy" device after 1 year is simply terrible.

I applaud WP7 being updated by Microsoft and keeping good, capable devices in our hands. This allows people to become comfortable with the platform and for brand loyalty (Windows Phone) to grow. As for the user interface. This is the most integrated phone system implemented yet. It also seems very simple for developers to build for while leaving a ton of room for growth and expansion of it's abilities. For a brand new system it does 90% of what iOS, Android and WM are capable of, 5% of what they can't do and is missing 5% of what many of us advanced users want but means nothing to the average consumer.

I'm willing to give WP7 a chance.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Wandy_1974:
LOL chaoscentral, you really nailed it. My respect for you dude.

To reflect your sentiments, today when I sold off my HD2 (I already made up my mind on HD7 or Samsung Focus - whichever landed first in my country), I spent the entire day with Froyo 2.2 from Desire port on my HD2. I must admit I am impressed with the improvements it offers over the stock HD2 WM6.5. The GUI were much nicer. But as time progressed, I came to realize it was just skin deep. Pretty much what was offered on the Froyo was already available on a very well cooked WM6.5.5. So I came to conclude that the need to run Android was simply because Android was not "M$". And then I met a friend with his DELL Streak, to my surprise the Android version on his device is TOTALLY different - much akin to comparing between chicken and duck and they are supposed to be from the Android family, then I understood what the community called fragmentation.

And so I did not felt too bad about parting ways with my HD2 (and use my aged i780 as an interim phone). Even as crippled as people may say of WP7, I liked the idea of a unified and uniform platform that I hope will provide consistent experience from the beginning. How so you may ask? from what I have read so far, M$ is taking the rein on WP7 updates and this I hope will be similar to Apple iTunes update and Nokia Symbian OTAs or OVI updates - consistency rules. As much as we want to deny it, Apple IOS was a mega success due to consistent user interaction, and now we have WP7 :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] rruffman:
another one pulls android 2.2 this is getting ugly...

Samsung Pulls Froyo Source for Galaxy S i9000 Phones

sorcehttp://pocketnow.com/android/samsung-pulls-froyo-source-for-galaxy-s-i9000-phones
[Windows Phone 7 General] linuxmotion:
I vote android. Not just because I don't like windows(I still use and have, it it's part of life) but because android as an embedded platform can breed more innovation that iOS or WM7 ever can. But having all of them is good for all of us.

As for not getting updates or stuck at old versions just root and flash and newer version. I have a friend with an eris that will newer see Froyo through the OEM but is running Froyo none the less.

And NO AMOUNT OF CUSTOMIZATION IS NOT TO MUCH. I have the firm belief that computers and the like should do what I WANT when I WANT how I WANT it. Not how someone else wants. Though this can lead to instability.

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[Windows Phone 7 General] XATAGuy:
Addicus,

I think you nailed it Dude. Good summary. Nice post.

Dave
[Windows Phone 7 General] rruffman:
I doubt that wp7 in its present has functionality that android does not have nor will ever have its call intergration.

will never have to worry about flashing roms toget an update with wp7 . the fact is android is whats called a kit os put together from bits and pieces of code you will never have a stable os with code written like this...
[Windows Phone 7 General] jz9833:
I thought it was just released that the eris is getting froyo next week.

But NONE of the galaxy S phones have a fully functional froyo rom. One of my friends with a regular droid was making fun of my phone because he had the latest version of android and my vibrant doesnt. if that doesnt show bad fragmentation i dont know what will.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Martice:
Yes I see what you're saying but if total control comes at the expense of stability and dependability you have to ask yourself if it's really worth it in the first place?
[Windows Phone 7 General] havox22:
Plz show me how to get froyo on my epic??? what so you mean I cant just root and flash to the newer version....ok now i get my new phone has an old OS on it and i can do nothing but wait on samsung to update me

yeah android isnt fragmented and it doesnt effect anybody

I got the epic for what it did then but i still want an update & I would never have gotten it if it was never gonna get froyo..I just hope I get the update before wp7 is available for sprint, so i can at least spend a lil time with it before I make the jump
[Windows Phone 7 General] rruffman:
well the wait seems to be longer..

Samsung Pulls Froyo Source for Galaxy S i9000 Phones

source -> http://pocketnow.com/android/samsung-pulls-froyo-source-for-galaxy-s-i9000-phones

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[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
I guess you guys don't understand that fragmentation is needed.

Without change there could never be evolution. Without change there could never be innovation.

perfect example, everyone ca not afford the same things in life. Thus fragmentation.
[Windows Phone 7 General] naplesbill:
I don't think there is an easy answer as to which OS is the better choice. It really depends on what you use with your device.

I have owned five WM devices and five Android devices. There are many similarities with both of these platforms. WM has always had the best Outlook/Exchange integration and PC Sync capabilities. Android has a somewhat better UI but it's not without it's own issues. Neither of these platforms have good Music sync options. The lack of uniform ways of syncing media and playlists has always been a major complaint for me on both platforms.

I have also owned three iPhones and this is one area that the iPhone has no current competition. I do have an SE X10 right now, and it's the closest thing there is to a device that has media sync capabilities on the same level as the iPhone/iPod. The X10 works directly with Sony's MediaGo software that is used with their Walkman products. It is very similar to iTunes or Zune software, although not as polished. The X10 certainly has it's faults, but for me, this is what keeps me using it.

WP7 represents the first real challenge to Apple on this front. With Zune integration equivalent to the ZuneHD, this is a huge improvement over any Android or WM device. When you couple that with Xbox and the deep level of Facebook integration, it's going to get very interesting in the smartphone market. Keep in mind that you will also be able to browse and install apps on your PC, just like iTunes.

Of course, this is all my opinion based on my experiences with all three platforms.
[Windows Phone 7 General] AfzalivE:
LauncherPro.

App to corrent fragmentation

in the market? lulz

. If you mean app to correct the fragmentation in the filesystem, then you perhaps don't know that we can convert our partitions to ext4 (which, as you might not know, is quite awesomely fragmentation-preventive)

They pulled the SOURCE, not the firmware update.

You mean how I can't merge my phonebook, facebook and skype contacts in the native Android phonebook?

Or how I can't use that same phonebook to call anyone on skype as well as their cell phone?

Or that I can't get their statuses right on my homescreen without trying to read it on a 15x15px tile?

Or how I can't see both twitter AND facebook updates in the same widget?

Or that I can't see my Google Tasks and Calendar in the same widget with different skins?

Or how I can't send my pictures/videos/files to almost ANY image/video/file host using ANY file manager (including but not limited to the native gallery)?

Or how I can't obtain Weather info from a multitude of weather websites right on the homescreen, because it doesn't take only 2 actions to see the weather in the morning?

Or how I can't use my phone as a desk clock?

Integration huh?

oh and did I mention that I also can't write my own bash scripts to automate any processes I want because it's a linux-based OS?

oh and also, I can troubleshoot and manage stuff from my pc when I need to, using a shell.

It'll be pretty sad to see ALL WP7 phone owners having the SAME home screen...dull. Like always, just like MS still hasn't supported skinning of Windows 7.

Leave iTunes, use Mediamonkey. Then you shall see that EVERY media device that supports MTP or Mass Storage mode doesn't even need to have media sync capabilities, MediaMonkey does it all for you, including syncing the playlist to Android without any problems

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@all-people-crying-over-fragmentation: If you can afford any WP7 phone, you can sure as hell afford a Nexus One, which is supported officially by Google and gets updates at the right times before any other device so please, don't cry about updates.

Also with Gingerbread, this fragmentation thing is gonna become a thing of the past because there will be a lower limit to hardware capabilities so that each device performs as intended.

TBH, I loved the Honeycomb design, if the tiles could be made that way, it would look much MUCH better. But alas.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vikas776:
This guy said what rightfully need to be said about android

I m also using galaxy s i9000 ( tired of listening it is the best and fastest android phone )

Its still lags after every rom and fix used.

Customisation is not everthing, Consistency is something.

Thats why i m puting my galaxy on ebay for sell.:(

and will go for WP7
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
So you're blaming Android for your Samsung Galaxy S problems?

Ok
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
I have this with turn by turn navigation. Next.

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[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
user friendly UI, GPU acceleration, uniformity amongst devices.... Also to any of you Android fans how is the Dell streak as a phone? I was thinking of getting one for the wife.
[Windows Phone 7 General] The Gate Keeper:
probably the biggest catch about windows phone besides the gaming is the office support that is built into the phone. this includes onenote and sharepoint integration. though it doesn't have skydrive yet, there was a rumour that MS is working on the Office Hub to have skydrive integrated. but yes, android can easily copy/paste the file straight to the phone, and can use the office suites available as a third party install, but it still doesn't really compare to office/sharepoint in windows phone.

but yea it feels like we're just going back to page 1 bringing all this up again.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jsgiv:
Way to overlook the "working" aspect there buddy.. :)

It's well documented all of the Samsung Galaxy S Android phones suffer from a wide array GPS issues, your Vibrant not-withstanding..

All I see on these forums regarding this issue are:

"It's the software - no - it's the hardware - no - it's the software - no - you've got it configured wrong - no - try these settings - no - try this ROM - no - try this patch - no - it's the software - no - it's the hardware - no ....."

Funny - I don't see that reported on WP7 devices..
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
android ui is user friendly, it is subjective and a mater of taste. GPU acceleration, I will give you a plus, scrolling on Android might be not as smooth - not a deal breaker.

Another minor plus for the same experience - I had no issues switching b/w a droid and vibrant, an icon is an icon, you swype the finger the same way, a minus on the different button layout. Still this point does not qualify as something wp7 can do and android can't.

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[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
Let's revisit my question and the title of this thread. Android != galaxy s. And for your information my gps on my galaxy s variant works as expected

Should I bring pink tint on the hd7 pics? And label all wp7 devices having the same issue?

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[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
So because this does seem to be some of the more intelligent android users and I'm tired of hearing "It's got android of course it's good." How is the Dell Streak as a phone. I know it's completely off topic but its hard to have an intelligent conversation with some of these people.
[Windows Phone 7 General] The Gate Keeper:
i'd probably suggest asking this in the dell streak section than trying to tangent it.

In terms of all in all, i think it really does come down to tastes and whether the phone meets your desired capabilities. to me, wp7 does. to others it doesn't. that's all good. everyone who's asked what phone should they go with, i merely ask, what do you want to do? what do you want to see each day you pick up your phone. if wp7 fits into both, then get it. if it doesn't, android is the best alternative. i don't ever suggest iOS :P.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
Sorry forgot about the streak. I played with it at a bestbuy, it is too bulky as a phone, too tiny as a tablet. I thought if I wanted something like this on my desk I think galaxy tab or ipad would be a better choice.

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[Windows Phone 7 General] jsgiv:
I am answering your question - you're attempting to refute a valid point without a substantive counter-argument - that or you're just trying to gloss over or ignore it altogether.

You've stated that your phone doesn't have the problem - then, by default, your argument points to a potential software issue with Android (because others have obviously experienced problems on their Vibrants) - either via configuration, bad drivers, etc. Many devs, members here maintain that 2.2 or 2.3 will fix the problem. I have my doubts - primarily because I don't believe anyone's taken the actual time to truly determine the root cause of the problem.

Yet - it's also a fact that the GPS *does NOT work* consistently on the Galaxy S line - (I know I used to have the Captivate) - so that brings out the question - is it a hardware-related issue only with the Samsung devices? Your first answer/response kinda negates that point doesn't it?

So you tell me - my question to you is: Is it a hardware problem or is it a software problem? Just because it doesn't present itself on your particular device doesn't mean there isn't a problem with the GPS on a significant amount of Android devices that needs and demands resolution.

Your "pink" argument BTW - is a hardware issue - if you haven't figured that out by now.

So - to answer your question (again) - I still maintain that, overall, WP7 (including all current supported devices) can and effectively do provide a valid and "working" GPS solution when compared to Android (again - including all current supported devices).
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
correction, its a SAMSUNG HARDWARE problem, to the best or my knowledge. Samsung is not android, etc

there will always be software bugs, ill definitely admit that. hardware is even more easily fixable. just buy a different device or return it. I would.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
OK from your perspective , your point of view not mine. If the next version of windows desktop, windows 8 or whatever comes out, and is lacking features and functions from Windows 7. Its OK? Its OK because its new? Remember your perspective not mine.

GPU acceleration is up to the OEMs in Android. So that argument is out the window.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lumpaywk:
windows phone 7 is not in the same line as windows mobile this i think is the confusion. If MS made a new OS and it lacked some features at first but did what it was aimed at well then that's fair play.

WINDOWS PHONE IS NOT WINDOWS MOBILE!