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[HD7 General] shinde:
also available in english:

hxxp://microsoft.com/windowsphone/en-us/howto/wp7/basics/sd-cards-and-my-phone.aspx

if I understand it right, they are speaking about a fully integrated storage card, which (possibly) could (but shouldn't (because it's handled like one single storage system)?) be replaced.

But! when they are telling us that there are sd-cards in the wp7 phones which can be replaced, probably we will be able to do so with a hard-reset as a consequence, because it's "integrated"... that wouldn't be that bad from my point of view ;)
[HD7 General] xma1e:
Don't be silly of course the Cloud is available 24/7, just not when it's raining or snowing. You might find the Cloud foggy at times, but speed soon picks up during thunderstorms.

:p
[HD7 General] xma1e:
I think as a rule SD cards shouldn#'t be replaced, but some OEMs are putting removeable storage in so that it is easier for them to change the memory configuration during production. I'm sure people will test it when they become available.

The thing that I'd like to know more about is what type of SD card is compatible, the article suggests it is not a standard SD card.
[HD7 General] Reihnold:
Actually that depends on the country. In Germany you can get unlimited data plans starting at 10€/month that include 200 MB of UMTS/HSDPA traffic. After 200 MB you are limited to GPRS or EDGE.

That is correct. And you also have to think about areas with less than perfect coverage. I frequently travel with a commuter train that runs through a rural area that has very poor coverage. Calls are always possible, but data connections are painfully slow or unavailable.

Internal storage is the most important one and the cloud can only be an optional storage.
[HD7 General] Cruzer1:
No storage card is mainly to do with WP7 being a closed system. Yes most of you hardcore users will dislike that, but the majoirty of us will enjoy it bigtime. If any of you have used an iOS device, you'll see that the overall user experience is just better than winmo or android because 'it just works'.
[HD7 General] vtmn215:
This is Microsoft's last hoorah in the mobile sofware business. They want to control every aspect of the phone to offer the best experience to the average user... much like what Apple has done. Eventually, some smart person will figure out how to jailbreak and sideload apps but at launch, this won't be available.
[HD7 General] pencilcase:
sounds like a fake to me, I have not seen ANY class6 32GB cards available up to know.

can you please confirm where you got it from?
[HD7 General] demonotter:
As far as I remember, it didn't have a brand name written on the card - you won't see one listed on the Amazon page for it either.

Haven't had any issues with losing data (I'm turning the phone on and off at least twice a day and have been using the card the past few days).

It's listed here on Amazon: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Komputerbay-MicroSD-Microsdhc-Adapter-SanDisk/dp/B003ZTCBZ0/ref=pd_cp_ce_0

I haven't double-checked the speed of it yet, but since they were selling it for £5 more than the Class 4, I just went for that.
[HD7 General] JEEtoP:
Apparantly you are able to restore the bricked microSD cards from WP7 using Nokia handsets that support microSDHC.

They are bricked because WP7 actually encrypts the card with a per-device key which is held internally in the microSD card - which is why another device cannot access it.

Symbian can 'erase' the cards which restores them back to an unecrypted state.
[HD7 General] yly3:
^ Good thing I still have my E71 around me .
[HD7 General] unlockMe:
This is not a good idea to go for a higher class just because it is a higher one.

The higher the class usually the better sequential throughput you're going to get, at the detriment of the random throughput which is the one that actually matters and explains why those devices have a class 2 card and not a class 4, 6 or higher.
[HD7 General] chozyn:
I'm probably real late but see this.

http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...and-how-nokia-ca/&category=classic&postPage=1

Sent from hell on my G2
[HD7 General] nrfitchett4:
so to recap this thread:

1. Sandisk = good for wp7 (class 2 only)

2. Kingston = bad for wp7

3. Old nokia phones can bring formatted for wp7 cards back from the dead

Did I miss anything??? :D
[HD7 General] vacuumdiver:
Is just the telephone signal missing? I'm asking because I replaced the original Sandisk 8GB card with a 16 GB Sandisk card (no idea what class). I did reset the device mutiple times, but it just boots into an English standard mode and I can't change anything, e.g. switching languages. Interestingly, in the about dialogue the phone says "16 GB recognized, 10 GB free".

Any ideas?
[HD7 General] hums:
Yes, just the tel. signal was missing. everything else started correctley.

if you go to the bootloader mode you can see the size and the class of your card.

what kind of reset have you done - hard or soft?
[HD7 General] vacuumdiver:
I tried both, i.e. went to setttings / about and did the stuff holding volume up and down while pressing power. Phone started in English, but I didn't see the setup procedure that ran when I unboxed the phone. Also, I can't switch languages, the phone says it needs to restart but then comes back just the way before.

Class of the card is displayed as 0, storage size 16 GB, Sandisk - so the pone recognizes it, but somehow can't handle it. If I insert the old 8 GB card, everything is back to normal, i.e. it starts with all my settings, apps, music, etc.
[HD7 General] hums:
seems like - your card is not recognized. m8. sorry i do have no other answer 4u.
[HD7 General] MarcHoover:
I tried out a KINGSTON 32GB Class 4 and it works (!) slow... (very) slow, but it works. I recommed to use a SanDisk Card, too.

(You have to run your applications 1 time, the second time will load really faster)

Phone: HD7 (o2 16GB Version, unbranded)

Language: German

Card: KINGSTON 32GB Class 4 JAPAN
[HD7 General] salutti.net:
Today I tried a Kingston 16GB Class 10. Did not work :-(

Phone: HD7 (8GB, unbranded, multilanguage (german))

Card: Kingston 16GB Class 10

Result: I am a bit disapointed...
[HD7 General] MarcHoover:
Find someone with Symbian running mobile phone like Nokia and reformat your SD :) I did the same :)
[HD7 General] phenixdragon:
Got a question. So today I tried to replace the card with a Kingston, which I did not know it wouldn't work until now. I ordered a SanDisk so I am waiting on that now. But with the bottom part of the back cover, it doesn't seem to be flush now with the top battery cover. The bottom piece seems to be a bit higher. Is that normal? I don't recall it not being flush but maybe it wasn't flush from the beginning?
[HD7 General] pencilcase:
either your 2 hook-clips broke or you did not put it back on correctly. the clips are basically in the middle of the cover. and yeah i also broke one. not so easy to find that cover as replacement!
[HD7 General] phenixdragon:
Ya, that was what I was thinking. I was able to get T-mobile to exchange the phone for free.

But when my SanDisk card comes I plan on putting it in. Is there a good way to take it off and put it back on without breaking them? It kind of feels like they are bound to break.
[HD7 General] nicola2:
hello

I used 32gb kingston does not work

you use the sandisk 32gb class 2? Windows Phone 7 is fast ?

thanks
[HD7 General] vacuumdiver:
I'm still a bit unsure about the correct card replacement procedure. Here's what I've done (and what didn't work):

remove original 8 GB Sandisk card

install 16 GB Sandisk card

Windows boots, not error message, but looks like a default config. No etup wizard

I go to settings, system, reset device

Windows boots, same result as in 3 and I can't change anything. Under settings / system / about the phone says it has a 16 BG card, 10.40 GB usable

Using hard reset (press vol up and down while powering on, then vol down) yields the same result.

Now I saw in a German forum a post where somebody did it like this:

Prepare Phone: Execute soft reset reset with old card

While the phone restarts, rip out battery

Insert new card

Windows Phone Setup wizard starts

First launch very slow, but then ok

Is that the way to go? How did you guys do it?
[HD7 General] qipengart:
Which is why Android is going to beat WP7 since I can install a 32GB card without compunction...
[HD7 General] ace10134:
But that benefit for Android is canceled out by a disadvantage of Android, fragmentation. Just because you can't install EVERY card into a WP7 doesn't mean it'll fail. Will Android fail because it is fragmented? Well it hasn't yet. If a phone does everything that a person (who isn't necessarily you) needs, and does it well, it'll sell. Some people could care less about expanding their memory. Some people bought 16 GB iPhones, but how could those sell, they can't be expanded!!!
[HD7 General] nrfitchett4:
why even post this??

I have 16gb hd7 and have 8-9gb free since I can stream music, and zune auto handles my podcasts, so I don't have any extra crap on my phone.
[HD7 General] MarcHoover:
I recommend to you: Always hard reset the phone after inserting a new sd card and your syste will run stable :)
[HD7 General] vacuumdiver:
It seems replacing the SD card does not work for all of us. I tried 2 different Sandisk cards (16/32 GB), both marked class 4 just as the original 8 GB card that came with my phone.

Did a hard and soft reset with all of them but never got them to work, i.e. no initial setup was kicking in, can't change phone settings, etc. There's an MS KB article stating you need a special SD card, so I guess some guys where just lucky.

P.S:

In case anyone wants to sell his original (!) SD card he received with the phone, send my a message :)
[HD7 General] Jonno2343:
As far as I know you need to do a Hard Reset. The Soft Reset just reboots your phone whereas the Hard Reset sets it back to Factory Settings os maybe you didn't do the Hard Reset correctly?

It's supposed to do the whole intro story again after a Hard Reset.
[HD7 General] vacuumdiver:
I did it like this:

Insert new card

Press both vol up and down while powering on phone

In the following dialogue I press vol down (says restore to default, not hard reset, but vol up is CRC check)

No setup wizard after this, it just boots into some sort of default configuration, no questions asked.

Is there another hard reset procedure?
[HD7 General] truffle1234:
dear friend, can you tell us how much memory will be enough???? 16GB, 32GB.... 120GB...

for god sake its a phone with a 25 GB on skydrive fro your photos and documents, i dont listen to music so i dont care... but i like how it reloads all the apps from the marketplcae after hard reset is so cool... the great minds on XDA created the small app wich did that for me after i loaded new rom on my WM 6.5 device...

i will like to request all those ppl who do not have a HD7 please stop *****ing about things, like OS, GUI, Storage..... if you think there are better OS, and device with bigger memory and whatever, please go buy that device...
[HD7 General] eternalemb:
*cough*Android fanboy with tunnel vision*cough*
[HD7 General] aaronhope1972:
I'm just going to pull out my old Timex Sinclair 1000 with 32k of expandable memory and call it a smart phone.
[HD7 General] BANKROBBER:
32gb kingston......

......card installed.took 7hrs to get anything on screen and extremely slow.

gave up and put in original 16gb and it wouldnt boot.it kept looping.i did the power on/hold both volume and had the option for crc check or system default.....its reloaded now,just glad mob is not toasted

after seeing the how-to vid for changing the cards,i am not suprised some mobs get damaged.i can change the sd card in less than 5 mins using a plastic tool that i got with new phone case....far safer than poking a screwdriver in the internals!

have ordered a 32gb sandisk class 2....will post how it goes.

i am looking out for ways to read the other sd card....perhaps as it is in raid....could it be possible to make an hd7 emulator and ghost copy the card to get the raid seeing correct?

have actually read micro sd in an sd adaptor on my tomtom before....and these were cards that could not be read in windows!

ROB
[HD7 General] bazanime:
I just got my 32GB Sandisk Class 2 into my HD7 and its working beautifully. No noticeable difference in speed so far. I wont say more, I don't want to jinx it.

A few words of warning:

- When removing the back cover, be careful of the display ribbon. If its damaged the screen will loose colour. So try not to use sharp pointy objects. I just used the edge of my credit card (same one i bought the phone with...irony if i killed the phone with it..lol)

- Next up, make sure you restart the phone after you have set-up everything.

- Finally, be gentle with the screws, don't make them too tight or they will break as on of mine did.

So i'd like to thank all the contributers here for heir instructions and advice, I hope mine will help as well.

I want to thank the guy that posted that video instruction, it was really illustrative (if a little sparse).

Regardless of how HTC dicked us with build materials and support, I like the phone and OS. Its a cool beatiful device and 32GB really makes a difference.

I am privileged enough to have phones of different platforms; Symbian Maemo, Android and Windows Phone 7, and i thus i see the good and bad on each. They all have lots of use if you are patient but all in all they do what they can do well.

WP7 is impressive and it can only get better, the others started lean and grew over time. 2 months is too soon to judge when the others have had years of maturing and only just recently got the features we wanted.

p.s... The rumours are very true, my Nokia 5800 S60 5th Edition (Symbian) phone happily formatted the HD7 16GB Class 4 card with no problem. The old skool power of S60 strikes again. :D
[HD7 General] Alexander Man:
Thanks for those tips, Bazanime! I'm waiting for HTC HD7 to arrive and I've ordered a Sandisk 32GB card too. You're quite right about WP7... I believe it will develop quickly in this crowded smartphone market! I'm from the iPhone world (have iPhone 4 32GB) and am quite excited to see WP7 in action on the HD7.

Does the Sandisk Class 2 work well when recording HD video stuff? I've read rumours you need a Class 4?
[HD7 General] fung58745:
i also format my org sd card in htc trophy

scandisk 8g class 4

with my friend nokia 5800 serice

it work
[HD7 General] Paul Nur:
Yes on the back, the backing under the door where you can access the battery, you have to remove that door and yes it does void ur warranty, but yes you can get to it. Google --> htc hd 7 sd card, and go to images.
[HD7 General] VizagDude:
Alright guys. I am taking the jump. I just ordered the Sandisk 32GB Class 2 Micro SD card from Amazon. Hope it works for me as well. Once I get the card, I shall request for some fool proof step-by-step process for the switch.

Just one question though... For some reason, If the card does not work, can I put the old 16GB card back and everything goes back to normal?
[HD7 General] rysky007:
Read all 22 pages, lots of cluster i have to say.

Can some one type out clear step by step button for button instructions for how to boot the phone properly once the new card is put in.

Not turn on reboot, boot up check screen ur good to go..

step by step exactly so far i think i need to stand on one leg, hold the volume button and scream while gently rocking the volume button back and forth.. please advise :)

Also correct me if I am wrong, were we not able to replace our SD cards on HD2 without even a normal reboot? I used to pop mine in and out and never saw any lag on the OS.. odd that a new OS requires u to do a hard factory boot.

Thanks in advance
[HD7 General] phenixdragon:
I am running into 2 problems myself. I just got a 32 gig SanDisk and thought I was on my way on replacing the 16 gig, however, the first problem I am running into is with the 32 gig in, the phone doesn't see the disk. if I do a soft reset, or a hard reset, it never will go into the setup mode. Just boots right now. Any ideas why? Seems like others are seeing this also.

I am also now not able to get a cell signal. Maybe I some how broke the antenna but I don't see how. I am using the method on not removing the warranty screw but am just barely opening a hole just enough to get the SD card in and out. It's still under warranty so I'm not too worried about it, but still, could there be something else? Where is the antenna located anyway?
[HD7 General] phenixdragon:
Looks like my SanDisk 32 gig is showing it is a class 4 which is a fake. So pissed about it. I ordered it from NewEgg paying a few bucks more to ensure myself it won't be a fake. Now I just ordered a card from J&R (http://www.jr.com) paying for overnight am UPS shipping. Kind of sucks but I want the card before the weekend and the to have it by Friday it was only $7 cheaper than to have it tomorrow morning.

Found out the antenna issue was due to the back bottom cover not being on. Who knew that would mess it up from getting a signal?
[HD7 General] VizagDude:
What is the other method of replacing the card without removing the screws.. Can you point me towards that description.

Thanks much for your help.
[HD7 General] phenixdragon:
Page 13 of this thread. Also to note, you don't need to remove all the screws he is removing. You only really need to remove the bottom 2 screws, maybe the 3rd one that is to the left and up from the bottom screw but it can stay on.
[HD7 General] phenixdragon:
Got my new SanDisk 32 gig card from J&R and it is a legit card. Works like a charm. No issues at all. Here is a pic of the 2 cards I have. The one from NewEgg is showing it's a class 4, which is fake. This is why I didn't order from Amazon because there are a lot of reviews of people getting this fake class 4. I know NewEgg had some fake cards earlier this year but I was hoping they wouldn't have had any now. I guess I was wrong. :( Not NewEgg's fault, they were sold fake cards not realizing.
[HD7 General] nrfitchett4:
should have done more research. Only the sandisk (mainly) have worked properly. Not one kingston has worked that I have read about.

You need a nokia phone to reformat the card. Once again, common knowledge with a little research.

Those sd card are considered external storage where on any wp7 phone, any sd card is immediately secured as part of the hard drive.
[HD7 General] Alexander Man:
Glad it worked!

Hi phinexdragon, glad you got your Sandisk 32gb Class 2 to work! I've got the same card on order... hopefully it is a legit one! Just wondering if you have notice any performance hit with it? Is WP7 OS still buttery smooth (like when you browse through your Zune music collection) and when you record HD movies, does it play back okay? Can't wait to get my HD7!
[HD7 General] phenixdragon:
So far everything seems to work as normal. Haven't noticed an slowness or anything wrong with any of the apps I have tried, including Zune. I kind of think this is the same card as the 8 and 166 gig cards being used, as this is the same series of cards. Even though those are rated class 4 and this is class 2, I think they are the same and the reason for being class 2 is that it's 32 gigs and maybe when they test them for their rating they transfer more data or something, which more data means slower. Could be wrong though.
[HD7 General] phenixdragon:
Actually I may see a problem. I am trying to play some songs in Zune, and it works until about 2 or 3 songs play. Than the Zune software locks up. I unlock the screen, open Zune and it shows loading. Then disappears. It's weird how the songs play through until the end of the song. I'm not sure if it is because of the SD card or what. I tried another hard reset, same issue.
[HD7 General] Alexander Man:
Thanks for the info, Phenixdragon. I had similar problems when I owned a HTC HD2 with a 16 micro SD card. When I used then HTC Sense player, it stuttered from time to time when I browsed through my library (6-7GB worth). I'll let you know if it happens with my HD7 soon!
[HD7 General] phenixdragon:
I'm wondering if anyone else has seen this problem when using a 32 gig card. Huge disappointment if this is the case. It only acts up with the screen locked and it stops working after 2 or 3 songs are played. If the screen isn't locked, seems to work just fine.
[HD7 General] phenixdragon:
Today I rode my motorcycle home from work and during the ride, music kept playing all the way home. Maybe through 10 songs. Yet, when I was at work and when I rode into work, it was like 2 or 3 songs and it would just stop. Not sure why but maybe it's okay now.

Question though, can you take a card from 1 WP7 phone and use it in another WP7? Or will it not see it?
[HD7 General] VizagDude:
I ordered a SanDisk 32GB Class 2 Micro SD card, which I received today. As soon as I opened the package, I noticed the card said it was 32GB Class 4, thank to you, I immediately knew it was similar to the one you received from NewEgg that did not work. So I called them to return the card.

But I see that you are having other problems with the Class 2 as well. I shall wait and see how it is working for others before I order another one.
[HD7 General] phenixdragon:
I found out my answer, you can use a card from another WP7, it will be read.

I dropped my HD7 today before getting on my bike (motorcycle) and scratched the screen so I am going to take it back. I had another HD7 for my wife who doesn't want it so it was unopened. I am testing out the music right now. I have it playing right now while I watch TV so I am going to let it be for 30 minutes before touching it. Maybe the other phone was bad.
[HD7 General] phenixdragon:
Ran it for 30 minutes and music kept on playing. I think maybe I just had a defective phone.
[HD7 General] phenixdragon:
Used it again today playing music and no problems at all. Worked as normal. I really do think my other HD7 was bad. I never used it with the 16 gig card for music but I'm sure I would have seen the same problem.
[HD7 General] BANKROBBER:
32gb sandisk class2....

....all running and no problems.

well just 1....i need a 64gb card now :rolleyes:

could it be the same theory as my computer?....i wonder......my server runs dual 4 core amd and will only use 667 reg mem at 32gb installed.it is running raid 0 ,and if i put double the ram at 800 it runs slower.....all to do with matching and clock cycles i think.

anyway...thinking out loud!.....pleased it went ok and installed and got all the apps back on in 15mins :D

ROB
[HD7 General] navarde:
Hd 7 control

New feed from HD7 ...rcved at work...if a sd card is to be removed a high speed SD card is neededand which is not available in many places....google it. They just want to make it harder for us!. Don't they?
[HD7 General] nrfitchett4:
actually, most people are having success with class2 and class4 cards, not class6.
[HD7 General] truffle1234:
guys i just saw the Nexus S artical and there is no SD, Micro SD card support....

now i want to hear from the android fanboys what they have to say about this..
[HD7 General] JayRayMee.NL:
Hey guys,

Alright, it's in Dutch, but the video pretty much speaks for itself.

It's a video showing how to open things up and how to replace the MicroSD within the HD7.

http://www.winmo.nl/video-htc-hd7-microsd-memory-upgrade-met-32-gb

Be careful when you're deciding to do it!
[HD7 General] phenixdragon:
Man, I hope you never hurt your brain too hard when using an SD card in a phone. All those decisions to make. Gez, how did you make it? :confused::eek: You should have looked into a Razr, it would have made your entire life easier. All in all, nobody really cares how the phone handles the SD card, we just want user replacable so we can go bigger. That's all this is about, nothing more, nothing less. Though some do want mass storage but personally, I don't. Just want to add more space.
[HD7 General] ceesheim:
that's a real easy one : BUY A SAMSUNG FOCUS !!!!!

edit: Bla Bla Bla , that is only one phone

pssssst there is also only one Iphone :) .