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[Windows Phone 7 General] andrew-in-woking:
Twitter, Facebook, BBC News Mobile, etc.

Hi doministry

Twitter, Facebook, BBC News Mobile, etc. seem more dependent on cloud data, i.e. they seem to store much less data on the device itself and instead call it up from a cloud based source on demand - in comparison to WM 6.5. I notice that Android behaves in the same way.

Cheers

andrew-in-woking
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
WP7 doesn't lag? Nope, atleast not natively. I must admit Microsoft did a good job hiding the lag. Now they need to share that information with third parties, especially the games so they can cut down on the loading times.

Now only if they could figure out something better than a long list of blocks on the start page. I scroll and I scroll and I scroll, swype to the left and I scroll some more.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Well they did share that information with third parties on MSDN, both with regard to scrolling long lists with mixed data and loading times. Third parties didn't really pay attention it seems (they rarely do). And of course OEM greed didn't help (there doesn't seem to be a loading time issue on devices with NAND flash, only on those where OEMs put cheap SD cards).
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
I can confirm this.The Market on my HD7 is an example of this. It loves to take a long time to load the next section of scrolling. And the screen just freezes once stopped until the next section loads.
[Windows Phone 7 General] truffle1234:
Dear Andrew-in-working

let me make my self clear what i ment... i am talking about bussiness apps, you cant creat a CRM or ERP on your firefox right. however if you have noticed there are hoo haa about browsers collecting data on users... there are tons of ads on the browser where they make money...

if you know any one in HTC, Motorola, Sony, samsung... please ask them if they are paying licence fee for android or not??? android is not a free OS its open and thats the reason every hardware company have to customize to there hardware need, and thats the reason why it behave so diff on diff brands..

wikipidia is a resource its not an app which you can build a business app.

i have been in the software industry for 12 over years, and i have learnt that free stuff comes with lots of ristrictions and larger cost... i am using and developing apps on microsoft platform for past 8 years.. have worked for a company whos owner was anti microsoft and he prefers MY SQL and FOXPRO.. but the end products were crap and not reliable in multi user and very bad for data sync and all..

Windows 7 till today for past 1.5 year or so have not given me any reboot or blue screen..

Windows Phone 7 is flawless as well and for the first time in 10 over years of PDA phones i am sure my phone will ring when the call comes in, and screen will light up when i press power...

i was using TP2 with energy rom (they are the best) but form time to time it will freez up hang and dont boot....

I have Signed up for the Microsoft Office 365 USD15/month or so, as u also like Outlook as me please take a look at it it a cool way to keep your emails data in one place and check email from everywhere... microsoft also have web exchange server US$5/month only..
[Windows Phone 7 General] jennan88:
I know this is an old post, but this, for me, is the difference between Android and WP7. Android is for people who want to write bash scripts, fiddle with skins for their calendars, endlessly customise. WP7 is for people who want their phones to work as they want straight away.

Just my .02
[Focus General] eknutson:
http://store.microsoft.com/NewWindowsPhone

Get a 3 month Zune Pass if you pre-order. No idea if it's suported by AT&T / Samsung Focus, but I signed up anyway just 'cause I don't want to wait in line only to find the phone sold out ;)
[Focus General] Jaxbot:
I signed up, just because any chance to get a WP7 early is right in my alley ;)
[Focus General] dalydose:
I wonder...

I can't see all the fine print of this deal, so I'm wondering the following:

1. If I am already a Zune Pass subscriber, will I still get the free 3 months? I have an old Zune 30 that I'm hoping to retire with my WP7 purchase.

2. If it **does** apply to the Samsung Focus, I assume that the 1 month Zune Pass that AT&T offers won't be tacked onto the end of the 3 months, but I hope we still get the rest of the entertainment package. I really want to try that uVerse Mobile streaming/downloading app.
[Focus General] eknutson:
I'm not sure about either of the above (i did look around for the info). However, here's what I was told by a CSR from ATT this morning:
[Focus General] dalydose:
So they are going to "pre order" online one day before they go on sale? I guess they are willing to sell it on the 7th with overnight shipping on the 8th.
[Focus General] ryotgz:
I was hoping Best Buy mobile was carrying the Focus, but they told me just the Surround when I called. They are accepting preorders there.
[Focus General] eknutson:
Yeah, I also took it with a grain of salt just because you never really know 'till you get there. I may not jump in on the 7th (like I might have during the week next week). Here's my thought: With just 1 more day to wait, I would like to hear from at least 1 person who got a focus and put in an SD card before booting the first time / hard-resetting after wards so that I'd have a better idea of what to expect.
[Focus General] Seed 2.0:
I signed up at windows store and at AT&T for pre-order info.

I had to get film developed at Sams Club for work today (Only place around besides pro camera shops that still develope film :rolleyes:) . The Sams Club in store cell rep told me today that he will receive their shipment of the Focus' on the 5th or 6th of November. To start selling on the 8th. He also claims they will be selling it at least $10 cheaper then AT&T. Plus he told me they do not have a restocking fee if returned with in 30 days, only pay for services, prorated.

He had a 3 page color spec sheet; that I haven't seen before. Was defiantly different then the PDF AT&T has floating around the web.

***P.S> did any of you get a reply email when signing up for pre-order notice at the windows store site? I got error messages when using my any of my 3 Gmail account, and my Yahoo account, but when I used Gmail account through Outlook I didn't get an email at all..
[HD2 General] jash23:
hey guys i have an htc hd2 tmobile usa with the android 2.2 system and i have not flashed a custom rom on it yet.. right now my android system itself wastes a **** load of battery and there are other problems like the custom radio.... i cant make calls... i was wondering if i flash it using a custom rom will this fix my problems??? most importantly the battery problem... cause it wastes a **** load of battery just the system itself.. let me know quickly!!!
[HD2 General] ashasaur:
Yes, if you would read, you would know that most Android distros don't work with the stock ROM and radio. The only one that I have found that does is the Desire HD build, seems to work awesomely with the stock ROM. If you are hell bent on running Android, you need to flash to an Android compatible custom ROM, and apply HardSPL. The battery problem is a universal thing. It happens on nearly every distro of Android, so just try a bunch and see which one fits your needs.
[HD2 General] jash23:
so u have to find a stock rom that will fit android??? can u help me find one.... and i would like to find a stock rom that would lessen my android system battery use... cause the percentage of the battery use for my android system which is the desire build is over 50%... so as u can see this android system really waste a lot of my battery.. u think there is a stocl rom that will fix this problem???
[HD2 General] jash23:
i mean a custom rom not a stock rom.... im looking for a custom rom that will work well with android and lessen the battery use percentage of it.. cause the android system itself uses 50% of the battery.. i was wondering if there was a custom rom that will fix this and work well with android desire build.
[HD2 General] ddgarcia05:
The android builds are made to kill winmo when it runs. Ive read a post with tips one was to start android as soon as android boots up which did help me. Also i know the chuckydroid rom is really lite and boots fast. Ugly as hell but its not meant to look nice.
[HD2 General] jash23:
uh im looking for a custom rom that will work well with me android build.. cause i want to use the aandroid build for htc hd2.... so im looking for a custom rom that will work with the android desire build and decrease the android system battery usage... and also fix my radio so i can make phone calls..
[HD2 General] ddgarcia05:
Try chuckydroid with the 2.10 radio.
[HD2 General] jash23:
uh is this chucky droid better than the energy rom??? and do i need to install the 2.10 radio separately or does it come with the chuckydroid rom already??
[Windows Phone 7 General] 121man:
Hi guys,

Over the years as a Windows mobile fan, i have acumalated quite a large amound of Windows Mobile 6.1 / 6.5 Apps / games etc.. I know they have almost always worked on both 6.1 and 6.5 but will this be the case for Windows Mobile 7 ?

Are my collection of apps etc.. any good ?

Thanks
[Windows Phone 7 General] mktos:
WM 6 or older apps won't work on Windows Phone 7. There is no backwards compatibility.

Consider WP7 not as "Windows Mobile 7", next generation of WM, but something completely new.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
Exactly. It's not Windows Mobile 7 but Windows Phone 7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] 121man:
So this would mean everything new from scratch, but i'm sure new apps and stuff should start coming out for it considerably quick right?

I'm a bit of a app/game freak love to customise my gadgets, loved the CHT UI for my HD2 so would love it if something like that was available for Windows Phone 7.

I want to but the HD7, but at really attached to my beloved HD2 and all the apps and custom stuff i have done to it, i'm sure you know what i mean and how i feel.

Thanks for the replies very much appreciated.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
There will be lots of apps and especially games for WP7.

However, there will not be any sort of home screen customization/hacking. Maybe eventually but it will only come in the way of hacked firmware and will not be officially supported (this is no different than CHT though).
[General Accessories] RedRamage:
Howdy all...

I'm looking to possibly upgrade my BT headset. Ideally I'd looking for something that will work very well for calls, but also will work for music. It MUST have A2DP and AVRCP support.

In an ideal work it would allow me to switch between true mono (both channels together) and just left channel and just right channel. But the important thing would be to have true mono.

Anyone want to make a recommendation?
[General Accessories] bugeyes:
best one ive found is also the cheapest the good old motorola S9 get them on ebay for 20 odd quid...

comfortable and you can run in them!
[Legend Android Development] BlaY0:
Hi,

I decided to post here two kernel updates I mainly use or have used on my Legend. They are nothing special (not overclocked), with several additions and changes, just something I want to share with the Legend scene. They corespond to two different (stock) extraversions:

2.6.29-5f084974

Based on stock HTC kernel version 13be9c9c available from their Developer Center. The kernel is perflocked by default (123-246 MHz screen OFF , 246-600 MHz screen ON, 123-600 MHz scaling for ondemand governor). Modules (drivers) included:

aufs.ko (overlay file system driver)

cifs.ko (CIFS file system driver)

cpufreq_conservative.ko (conservative scaling governor)

cpufreq_interactive.ko (interactive scaling governor)

cpufreq_powersave.ko (powersave scaling governor)

lzo_compress.ko (lzo compressor)

lzo_decompress.ko (lzo decompressor)

perflock_disable.ko (forcibly disables perflock)

ramzswap.ko (Compcache driver)

sdio.ko (TI SDIO driver)

squashfs.ko (SQUASHFS 4 file system driver)

tiwlan_drv.ko (TI Wlan driver)

tun.ko (TUN/TAP driver)

ext4.ko (ext4 file system driver)

jbd2.ko (ext4 dependency)

lockd.ko (NFS)

nfs.ko (NFS)

sunrpc.ko (NFS)

2.6.29-8d705e0d

Based on CM's 2.6.29.6 GIT with some additions from Alex's GIT. Specs are the same as for above version.

UTF-8

As an option, I also prepared two kernels same as above but with UTF-8 NLS support set as default.

Installation

Just flash the update via ClockworkMod... it will run over your previous kernel and modules.

Note

These kernels are ment for those using stock based ROMs (like chefs using stock ROMs as a base) and are missing support for things mentioned above (nfs, aufs, cifs, tun, interactive governor...). Those using CM based ROMs don't need any of these... CM already has kernel with all support mentioned above.

Warning!!!

Please read the whole post before you download (it's really not so long)! Do not apply these updates if you don't know what they actually do!
[Legend Android Development] vadatte:
Hello,

this one : 2.6.29-8d705e0d doesn't work with Azure Nightly 8.

The touch screen don't work !

:(
[Legend Android Development] Kwen:
Build 8 quite bogus, random reboots and non working TTS

have you tried with build 7?
[Legend Android Development] vadatte:
I have similar problem with Azure Nightly 7 and Kernel 2.6.29-8d705e0d

Touch screen don't work !

:(
[Legend Android Development] BlaY0:
Probably I should've mentioned that these kernels have been primarily ment for stock based ROMs.

I don't get it guys... I believe I mentioned in 1st post that second kernel is based on CM's so why would one ever want to us my kernel with CM... CM already has the right kernel with all the modules and statically built support for anything I mentioned above.

If you guys are trying nightlies expect problems but most important learn how to debug them. If you just write that it doesn't work, you basically did nothing to help solving the problem or improving things.

One more thing... did you guys try dumfaq's OC kernels with those CM nightlies?
[Legend Android Development] vadatte:
With Azure Nightly 7 the phone starts correctly, I can not use the touch screen (it's impossible to navigate with my fingers ;) )

And no I don't try dumfaq's OC kernels with cyano nightlies.
[Legend Android Development] TheGrammarFreak:
I would like to say something:

If you don't have any idea what these kernels actually change, then don't use them. There's no point in going "Duuh, BlaYo made a kernel, it must be awesome! I'll use it", when you don't know the advantages of using them. This kind of thing goes for a lot of stuff on these forums. If you don't understand what it does, or if you wouldn't know where to start with debugging errors, then either don't use it, or do research and make an informed decision on whether you actually need it.

And this goes for yez nightly users, too: nightly builds are almost never better than the stable. If you want CM, use Azure, not the nightlies. Unless of course your doing real testing, debugging and then feeding it back to CM developers. :D
[Legend Android Development] BlaY0:
Exactly!
[Legend Android Development] TheGrammarFreak:
:D

We live and learn.
[Legend Android Development] KahKah!:
Request: nls_utf8 module please.

Hello BlaY0, Thank you for you posting the kernel.

I am enjoying cifs with your 2.6.29-5f084974 on Azure, thank you!

Would you please add one more module "nls_utf8"? This helps converting filenames written in lot of languages other than English.
[Legend Android Development] BlaY0:
That can be arranged. But I have a question for you. What's keeping you from compiling it yourself? Since you know what those modules are for, I'd suspect you have done it before... at least for x86 architecture?
[Legend Android Development] KahKah!:
Thank you for your reply!

I am sorry, I've not tried it yet, only read FAQ #2 in "CifsManager" created by f3d0r.

xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=756158

May I try it with your help?
[Legend Android Development] KahKah!:
Hi BlaY0, please hold my request.

I found your message at "[Q] Custom Kernel" thread. I will try by myself with kyosa's config. Thank you!
[Legend Android Development] BlaY0:
Check this one too...
[Legend Android Development] BlaY0:
I added nfs support to 1st one and ext4 to both. I also prepared optional kernels (same versions) with UTF-8 NLS support set as default.
[Legend Android Development] ali ba:
My two cents:

For a few of these it doesn't really make sense to compile them as modules. tun, lzo, utf_nls don't really bloat the kernel or negatively affect performance for example.
[Legend Android Development] BlaY0:
I know... I just put them here because you can freely extract them and use them with plain (not modified) stock kernel. That's why I'm using stock kernel extraversions and not my own.

As for NLS it is already statically compiled (not as modules) in those two kernels...
[Legend Android Development] hureile:
Hi BlaYo, Thank you for your new kernels! "5f084974" kernel and modules worked perfectly with Azure1.01! I can now read any filenames on my file server. I am so happy!!

Ah-- Yes, last weekend I gave up. I could not make wifi active... :D

(Of course, I re-compiled tiwlan_drv.ko) So I gratefully accept your favor. :)

Hello Ali ba!! Thank you, I found "nls_utf8" was already enabled in your nightly build. (I saw in config.gz) I am sorry I've not test them yet. I will test and report about this!
[Fascinate Android Development] keith.mcintyre26:
http://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-releases-froyo-update-source-code-galaxy-s
[Fascinate Android Development] mackeydesigns:
Sweet! Hopefully this doesn't take too terribly long.
[Fascinate Android Development] Bigredcat:
Sweet! Come on custom roms!
[Fascinate Android Development] CrimsonKnight13:
Great news indeed!
[Fascinate Android Development] macsmister:
Can't wait to get Froyo!!!!!
[Fascinate Android Development] dlongb13:
I'm assuming this is fascinating news....

Sent from my 1.2 Ghz VooDoo'ed Fascinate
[Fascinate Android Development] dopepope:
Oh, I see what you did there.
[Fascinate Android Development] Daswolven:
I don't get it. I guess I have no SenseUI of humor...
[Fascinate Android Development] Daswolven:
Actually, I'm pulling it down now. Going to drop it on my phone, try to flash it with CWM, and then post in frustration about it not working.
[Fascinate Android Development] spotmark:
Lol, attaboy, always willing to take one for the team.
[Fascinate Android Development] sonofskywalker3:
The dev team is hard at work on this in the irc channel, Birdman suggested that he may be able to get a froyo aosp rom going within 2-4 hours, so be patient and good things will come. Exciting!
[Fascinate Android Development] Njzkrish:
This post just turned me on
[Fascinate Android Development] dlongb13:
How will this play with the voodoo kernels?

Sent from my 1.2 Ghz VooDoo'ed Fascinate
[Fascinate Android Development] devlp1213:
woot might be just in time before I go to work then haha
[Fascinate Android Development] keith.mcintyre26:
Boner soup.
[Fascinate Android Development] spotmark:
That would be soooooo freakin cool!
[Fascinate Android Development] CDODGE:
Sorry for the dumb question but what does aosp stand for?

I am pretty embarassed asking as I have been in and out of these forums since the orignal droid was released but still don't know what it stands for :confused:
[Fascinate Android Development] spotmark:
Android

Open

Source

Project
[Fascinate Android Development] stanrc:
Android Open Source Project

Its the open source code that roms like CyanogenMod are built from, straight from google.
[Fascinate Android Development] anaphora68:
We will not need Voodoo with this. AOSP runs on EXT4. I cannot freaking wait.
[Fascinate Android Development] ExNight:
So when froyo roms release, voodoo will be absolete?

Sent from my better built sammy iphone knockoff
[Fascinate Android Development] sic4672:
AFAIK (and anyone smarter than me please correct me if I am wrong) Voodoo used an updated file system to remedy the "lag" problem. This updated file system is already part of the froyo source code, so basically yes, voodoo should not be required anymore.
[Fascinate Android Development] tlogank:
soooo...how long do you think it might be before we start seeing Froyo ROMS?
[Fascinate Android Development] CDODGE:
thanks for the responses on the AOSP.

One more quick question.

Since this is Samsung source code will we still have the samsung and verizon apps installed or will it be closer to a vanilla/stock android?

sorry, i dont mean to be going off topic here but I am just curios to what we should be expecting if somone can build a rom from this source code.
[Fascinate Android Development] anaphora68:
We'll get ROMs when we get ROMs, patience. You can't just build a ROM. Drivers have to be tested and properly integrated, and we also need a working kernel, as well.
[Fascinate Android Development] adiliyo:
that made me pee in my pants a little.

out of the excitement!
[Fascinate Android Development] wasupwithuman:
don't quote me...but i am pretty sure we will still need voodoo... You forget the other fixes it brings... the full version of voodoo offers color fix...
[Fascinate Android Development] dialect129:
Every time i get excited i seem to have to go to the bathroom...this post made me excited...and currently me and my laptop are in the bathroom while im typing this...no not porn :) lol
[Fascinate Android Development] Retrokid223:
can anyone link me to the irc channel??
[Fascinate Android Development] ludeboy:
Wow really? We didn't know that. We thought the devs just shat out ROMs and they work flawlessly. Seriously man. Let people be excited. We've been waiting so long for this. There's really no need for that. Nobody is being rowdy or rude.
[Fascinate Android Development] cesium:
OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG I love you Samsung (for once) and all our devs (always)
[Fascinate Android Development] ktez:
I think I peed my pants a little too ;-)
[Fascinate Android Development] neyenlives:
LOL....eh....wait....whut? i was pretty sure that was the case given the level of on-demand first hand technical support i got to un-brick my phone the other night.... ;)

a.k.a mashedpgravy :cool:
[Fascinate Android Development] Daswolven:
So far, the devs here do actually excrete awesomeness that can be flashed. I have been very impressed with the rapid development after the work was able to be started. As much as I would love to get on CM, I am in no hurry, as what my stock, de-binged and customized with Voodoo installed has been phenomenal.

If we get a Froyo AOSP rom up anytime soon, I'm afraid I will have nothing to be impatient about.

As a side note, if you don't already make it a point, please donate to the people who's work you enjoy. #1 way to ensure quality development quickly. Like the BroTips in CM6 say, "Ballmer Peak -- Optimal coding ability takes place between a BAC of .129 and .138."

These guys need booze.
[Fascinate Android Development] mgmtm3:
Thanks guys, this sounds amazing! What is the best way to donate?
[Fascinate Android Development] adrynalyne:
incorrect, voodoo is totally neeeded. rfs is still large and in charge.
[Fascinate Android Development] Dirrk:
Since when did a rom decide how to format you're file system at boot? AOSP has nothing to do with the voodoo fix. What we got today, was source for a working 2.2 kernel so we can build from source and use voodoo.
[Fascinate Android Development] bubby323:
Hate to burst everybody's bubble but the Epic and the Fasinate aren't specificlly included in this source. The source is based of of Froyo for the international i9000 galaxy s device, so the probability of a working froyo mod, before an offical release from Verison, Samsung, is highly unlikely.
[Fascinate Android Development] adrynalyne:
I disagree, but hey, keep downing everyone's hopes.

Source between the SGS variants isn't as different as you might think...

The bigger question is how well the Eclair proprietaries will work with aosp....
[Fascinate Android Development] adrynalyne:
Shhhhh!

Don't confuse them with the facts, their minds are made up :D