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[Windows Phone 7 General] The Gate Keeper:
too bad zune doesn't take the use of all codec's on the machine like WMP. If it did, and could convert from all to make the video available on WP... man... the end of my use of WMP for sure.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JoePR31:
Ah..here's another brilliant individual who does not own a WP7 device, and very likely has never even used one. You know, I'm quite sure that somewhere in all that rambling you posted, there may actually be something somewhat resembling a meaningful point. But, the fact that you base your opinion on nothing even resembling real hands on experience...and that you are either an ass or have gone out of your way to come across as one have made be not care about your "points".

You don't seem to have any real interest in WP7, so why post in here?
[Windows Phone 7 General] JoePR31:
It really is, friend. Too bad many people are choosing to judge it based in what it isn't, instead of on what it is. That's also exactly what's happening right now to WP7.

The HD7 is an evolution of what was already a great form factor. HTC took the best of 2 of its top devices from the past 2 years, the HD2 and the Evo, and combined them in a beautiful way.

Btw, I'm tired and grumpy , and have probably done a bit too much troll flaming tonight, so my apologies if that bothered anyone (not including said trolls). I need to go get some sleep.
[Windows Phone 7 General] The Gate Keeper:
all i can say is... +1... except it's near the end of the business day, and i should be working on my work :P.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Viper89:
Ya I wasn't sure about the 3D games, Assassin's Creed and Need for Speed undercover are good 3D games. Now I have not seen the SPB mobile WP7 theme I was actually talking about the one for TL by Fire Slave . I'm guessing there is a big difference between the two by the way your describing the SPB one ;) . I had a feeling a couple of you were going to use the line you haven't used it yet. From what I seen using the OS is not going to change my mind at all, is using the OS hands on going to change anything visually that I've seen? I will give you guys the benefit of the doubt I bet it is fast and smooth and I won't disagree that but with that said it's not a deal breaker and that long list of bugs don't help WP7 case either, and waiting for a company to release an update does not sit well with me becuase they don't fix every problem and I like having the option if I know how ,to do it myself and fix these bugs( Apple for example how many generation of Iphones and updates did it take to finally get it right? You see my point?). If it was open source then none of the bugs would bother me because eventually this wonderful community would have some type of hack and mode for it. And will this unlocker tool fix any of these bugs, and what is the main purpose of the unlocker tool is it for fixing bugs or 3rd party apps? @ JoePr31 if you actually took the time to read the 2nd paragraph of my post I do make some good points minus my sarcasm, trolling is one thing stating your opinion is another. And like I said before how is using it hands on going to change anything from what I seen in videos and phone reviews? And about your question why post here, I want one of you WP7 users to prove me wrong and change my opinion about this, The Sony X1i is my first WM phone ever and I have had it for 1 year 2 month's now and I love it. With that said I was really looking forward to WP7 until I seen UI and found out it was not open source.
[Windows Phone 7 General] hassler:
my objection to WM7 is that they somehow "cheating" user with fixed storage, they not use Flash but instead use microSD to "create" storage :(

although, it is a brand new OS, so don't expect too much, just like iPhone 2G in the past, it took like 6 months after to crk and to have decent software to play with
[Windows Phone 7 General] nazeeh:
It's really interesting reading posts like this as they remind me of how I used to be 10+ years ago :) I hated Windows... LOVED Linux exactly for the same reasons pointed here. I loved being able to tweak every last bit of my PC. I loved building my entire OS/Desktop/tools from source using a compiler I compiled myself haha.

But... alas, those days are gone for me. I don't find that stuff as much fun as it used to be. You know.... "been there done that" kind of thing. Now I am the opposite, I want things to just work with the least amount of tinkering possible. Tinkering is FUN, but it's WORK. So for me, WP7 and iOS are much more suited than Android. Sure, I can get Android to be super awesome, but I have to do it or go looking for someone that did it and apply it. Not in the mood anymore.

So yeah, if you're in that stage of your life, nothing out there will ever change your mind and that's OK. At no design meeting during WP7 development did they ever put that kind of user as a target. So it's no surprise that the product does not appeal to you :) Business wise though, if every single one of "you" does not buy or buys WP7 it won't make a dent. We're not the majority by any stretch of the imagination. For every "you" there's a 1000 others that aren't ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] The Gate Keeper:
i do feel the same in some aspect, but have you read the Nexus S spec sheet?
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
I feel "cheated" because of the promise and lack of support for so many things.

And lack of communication between native WM products is a shock too.
[Windows Phone 7 General] andrew-in-woking:
Try a device

Hi orb3000

I think that anybody considering buying a WP7 device should go to a shop, or a friend who has one, and try a device out. Most shops will let you have a go on a demo model.

While you won't be able to see how "your" settings would look, you will get a chance to see how the OS performs basic tasks like opening email, messaging, application, etc.

Cheers

andrew-in-woking
[Windows Phone 7 General] Jim Coleman:
Well you're not really "cheated" because you can take it back to the shop, can't you.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Jim Coleman:
Ditto. And Amen.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Jim Coleman:
Question: Why do Android lovers feel the need to post on a WP7 forum, postings that diss WP7 and big up Android?

Isn't that a bit like being a Ferrari nut, posting on a Lamborghini forum about how crap Lambos are and how great Ferrari is? I mean, just.....why? I can't see any reason for it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
you kinda late with your sentiment, look at the title of this thread.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Essentially:

Android: huge capabilities, but fragmented and inconsistent

WP7: great promise, but currently like a 5 star hotel without windows.

People were dreaming of such UI anf feel on WP7.

But they were dreaming it would be paired with AT LEAST the same level of functionality like old systems had.

Than a huge disappointment came. Believe me or not, this is the only reason of all these discussions.

People would love it but not in the current state.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mmelo76:
Will I need to close this thread?

I will not make a new clean up because I want to leave messages visible, so when someone receives an infraction, I put the link!

Let's try to keep conversations more friendly, we are all intelligent here, right!

To the noobs, avoid provocations and start posting flames.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ustudio:
im not unrealistic when it comes to wp7, for a 1.0 os it by far as good, if not way better than Ios and android was at there 1.0 versions, Im hating the android statements cause to me ios is the enemy, android was just an alternative to it. I hope both android and wp7 does good and take down apple, not that im hoping the apple is killed cause without them where would be. I think competition is good thats what keep prices low and quality, options high.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
WP7 - gimme more options and I'm sold.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
you realized that v1.0 of IOS and Android were released a few years ago, so you are comparing WP7 to something that was released and forgotten at least few years ago, where is the logic?
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
I feel the exact same way.

1.0 yeah right. WP7 = Zune = Metro. Zune + Phone parts(10 years worth) + Xbox LIVE = WP7
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
I will support WP7 forever but thats totally wrong. At this point in time android games are much better than wp7, that will change but for now... yeah.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tomhierl:
How can a phone that you can't even copy a simple file to be better than Android??

That doesn't even deserve to be called a smartphone!

I don't believe you. You didn't even know that you can access the camera right from the lock screen. - without rooting, that is.

Great post and 100% true. How can anyone say WP7 works "out of the box" when you can't even transfer a simple file to the phone "out of the box"? Or even without jailbreaking!

From something that claims to be "working out of the box", I expect to be able to read my files on it (without ridiculous workarounds!), I expect it to multitask, copy&paste etc. etc. and don't tell me your Mom doesn't need that! I don't care. A smartphone that should work out of the box must do that.

No, Android isn't missing anything basic.

And no, there's no getting over it. Android is better than WP7 in every aspect, the existence of all basic features being the most important one (faster to use UI being abother). You can't just say "get over it" and claim WP7 could compete with Android because you "got over" the lack of basic functionality.
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
agreed.

On my android I can change anything I don't like.

Let's take a basic thing like flashing a new radio for better reception.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tomhierl:
That's not *that* basic.

Copying a file to the phone is basic.

Downloading a file from the web is basic.

Creating/downloading a file in one app and opening it with another is basic.

HTML5 is basic.

Listening to Pandora while doing something else is basic.

Leaving an app while typing a message and then going back without losing what you typed is basic.

Fast switching between apps is basic.

Adding a wallpaper is basic.

...

"Working out of the box" implies that that the basic features are there. WP7 is not working out of the box. And the things that *do* work on WP7 can be done faster on Android!

(Not so) surprisingly, there are people who care about basic functionality when they buy a phone...
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
^ at least the transitions and animations are beautiful. That's basic isn't it? Jk
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
you can't really compare the speed here, what can be said though there are more "it does not do that yet" vs "it does it already" when it comes to WP7, even the MS native apps are hurting by the platform limitations at this time.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tomhierl:
Beautiful? The Android/iOS transitions are useful, the WP7 transitions are a waste of time (or is WP7 really *that* slow?). There are some good ones, but then, you don't buy an OS based on how the transitions look, do you? If every OS *does* the basic things, then you look at how well it does them and then you look at how the OS looks and then you look at the transitions.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
If Android was better than windows phone 7 it wouldn't be themed up and vomited out by HTC, Dell, Sony, Samsung, and others. Last time I checked a phone wasn't intended to be an extension of the computer. If I wanted to read a document that I have on my computer I would (gasp) read it on my computer. Or I can have it as its own individual file uploaded to my skydrive for easy access anywhere. The only things lacking in Windows Phone 7 are it's market which with the easiest platform to develop on I'm sure will change quick and the ability to customize. If your pissed off because you can't put a background picture on your phone though I have no idea what you're doing on XDA. Enjoy your sluggish UI, if you tried WP7 for a week and went back to that you'd grow tired with how unbelievably slow it is by comparison.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nazeeh:
Honestly, pretty much all of the negative points about WP7 here are gonna be history pretty quick.

Some of you guys just don't seem to realize the concept of schedules, shipping, priorities, quality, etc.

WP7 team had to deliver a product both as fast as possible yet of as high quality as possible. Could they have released it with file copy, copy/paste, multi-tasking, etc? of course. Would they have been half-assed? OF COURSE! Something has to give when you can't push the schedule anymore due to needing to catch up. Releasing half-baked features would have been a nail in the coffin instantly.

Instead, they opted to make a solid design paradigm, a solid platform and a solid implementation of the most important and widely used features (social networking). That they delivered for sure. What the phone does it does pretty darn well.

The team is not a bunch of idiots that are sitting there reading these forums and going "damn...how did we not think of copy/paste?! or multi-tasking?!" They built a solid platform that will enable them to deliver all of that stuff.

TL;DR version: WP7 team has already done the HARD part. ALL of the stuff you guys are missing are details that are seriously not hard to add/implement. Big deal... copy/paste...multi-tasking when the OS does it already. File copy, etc.

You know what's hard to implement? Hardware accelerated UI which WP7 has. Who doesn't have it? Android. Something I feel everytime I play with an Android device.

WP7 has insane potential that any technical person can spot pretty quickly. Let's talk about this again in 6 months if not less.

Don't underestimate the power of Microsoft when they are coming from behind. It's pretty much when they are at their best and most fierce.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
No, those are all advanced features that not every user needs in a smartphone. Those are by no means hard but aren't basic or necessary features.

It functions as a phone and an internet capable device

It sends and recieves SMS and MMS

It works with all mail providers (no crazy work-around for yahoo)

It take pictures

It allows easy access to your multimedia files

Easy access to games and applications

Plus, it allows you to read all your microsoft documents

Those are the necessary functions of a smart phone, it takes all of these and puts them into a much more user-friendly interface that is more visually appealing and doesnt require that you be a developer before you can even make it look great.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
A phone isn't but a smartphone is though.

Well if you dismiss WP7's functionality as a smartphone, and don't need the thing to connect to the skydrive, one will wonder why is it then so marketed as a cloud computing tool?

What is the purpose of XDA developers?

Maybe a two year old phone is sluggish in comparison, but not the current offerings with the same specs as the new WP7 phones.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
A smartphone should be independently a smart phone, shouldn't have to be connected to your computer to be at its best.

Their marketing schemes have been less than perfect. My original interpretation is that it was a sexy device meant to glance at for a second a few times a day. Marketing has nothing to do with functionality.

To aid in the development and progressions of devices through their life and even long after they're dead

I can put my wife's mytouch 4g or my brother's vibrant side by side with this HD7 and tell any time that it's a smoother more friendly experience. Same goes for my cousin's evo. They're just mediocre by comparison when you use the device. I tried it at the T-mobile store and hated it. I got one from a friend who was stupid enough to trade it for my old Vibrant (I had planned to just swap it for a mytouch 4g, people are all trying to get WP7 in Austin, TX now) but once I used it for more than 10-15 minutes I was enthralled.... I was a diehard android fanboy from the time I got the G1 2 weeks after its release now everything else just seems lesser.
[Windows Phone 7 General] CDODGE:
I will be moving to WP7 once Verizon gets it. The few things that i will miss will be the ability to mount the phone as a drive on my other devices. I like having the ability to hook up the phone to my TV and scroll thought the music i have.

The other thing I will miss is the wireless tethering.

Overall the good will outweigh the bad. Fragmentation will hurt android in the long run. One example is that android 2.* and up is supposed to support multiple exchange accounts but yet Samsung stripped this feature out of the galaxy phones. They also stripped out the full bluetooth stack taking other features away that I want. Is it Androids fault though? Not exactly, it’s mostly Samsung’s but since Android is open they allow companies to strip out crap that people want.

The good thing about android (being open) is also its weakness. I like Stock android although it feels a little plain and boring and once companies like HTC, Samsung, Motorola tinker with it to try it make it a complete product some things eventually get ruined.

I am going to get an Android tablet so I can continue to tinker with it as it is a fun OS to tinker with.

I am not sure why people get so defensive towards one or the other. In the end they are both descent Os's. You just need to decide what is best for you.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
But the whole WP7 experience is forcing you to be close to the PC if you want to do anything with it besides make calls.

I played with a WP7 device in a store, besides the fluid UI it offers nothing that tells me to drop my Vibrant in favor of HD7.

I made my Vibrant to run as I desire, sure it might not be everyone's cup of tea, and I can see someone who does not want to tinker with the phone to look at an Android device and a WP7 device and make a choice solely on the flying dots pattern.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nazeeh:
As long as Android doesn't have hardware accelerated UI, and it STILL doesn't, WP7 and iOS on similar hardware will always be smoother in the UI frontend. Android can try to jump through a million hoops and still be sluggish in comparison.

Such a basic feature... yet very hard to implement if you did not account for it initially, which they didn't by design. They targeted mid-range hardware at the time and it wouldn't have worked well for them. Apple took a bet on mobile GPUs going down in price and built it from the get-go and it paid back big time. Same with WP7.

GPU acceleration of the UI is as basic as it gets for a smartphone (based on the definitions of smartphone that people have been throwing around in this thread)
[Windows Phone 7 General] naplesbill:
That is about as inaccurate of a statement as there could be. I have had my Focus for over a month, and I've connected it to my computer maybe three times. You can do pretty much everything on the phone, sans syncing music, without ever connecting it to a PC. So, what are you saying here?

Actually, I should have said sans syncing music stored on your PC. You can play, download, or purchase any music in the MarketPlace with a Zune Pass.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
I've owned 11 different android phones and to this day modify them on craigslist for extra cash. There are some great devices but android and all their different UIs just kill it. I love their app market, it kills iphones in my opinion but that is all they have going for them. The UI is a disaster and though I like to tinker absolutely nothing is as easy as it could be. Was it hard to figure out? No. I'm a tech oriented person. For the type of person who wants a phone that functions well as a phone right off its just not the right type of phone. Trust me you dont have to talk to me about tinkering with phones if you're supporting the phone that likely won't be updated to even 2.3 though it was hyped to get every update (So was the behold 2). It also has one of the easiest to overrun buffers ever. In general it's just not a great phone and the cheap plastic feel and easily scratched paintjob on the back dont do it any favors. I still own 2 android phones that I play with. They're great toys, but for when you want a phone that's not a toy feel free to join the good side.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
But but....its pretty. Plus I get a free Xbox 360 if I purchase a WP7. Or I can buy and get one free. I've never seen a BOGO iPhone or a BOGO new Android device.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Well spoken, granted I've synced mine twice since I got it about a week and a half ago but that was my own stupidity, I forgot to sync the folder with my sons videos the first time and hadnt set up wireless sync yet. I probably won't have to sync it again.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
You must be inattentive. Both the Verizon and the T-mobile varieties of the Galaxy S phones had a BOGO special within 3 weeks of being put on the market. If you want to insult marketing strategies attack us there, it has nothing to do with the phone itself...
[Windows Phone 7 General] linuxmotion:
Android has hardware graphics acceleration. At the current time there is no standardize acceleration now. It is up to the manufacturer's the phone to include hardware acceleration.

Sent from CM Nightly 11-20 using Tapatalk.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Well to be honest it does. It is implemented in their wallpapers because due to the way it was haphazardly thrown together creating full GPU acceleration is not realistically possible while implementing the multitasking on that phone without overruning the buffer. Oh but I'm sorry, I'm a WP7 person I must know nothing about phones.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nazeeh:
Hmm... not sure how that works. Are you saying that the standard OS coming from google does not have hardware acceleration for the UI (which means ALL the UI, not some apps) but hardware manufacturers have written a compositor layer that provides said acceleration to all apps?

According to issue# 6914 on the Android bug system, Android still does not support hardware acceleration. I would be interested if you can elaborate a bit more about what you are talking about. I am honestly curious.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
You must be inattentive. Those are variations of the original device.

My point argue facts. Numbers don't lie.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
They're still new android devices regardless so your point remains invalid. Soooo do I say the GT-19000M had a BOGO immediately? it conveys the same point and disproves yours specifics aside. Mind putting up a valid argument now because that statement lacked a point entirely except to prove that you are lacking a point.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
No they're not dude. Tmobile just had there BOGO, Verizon is late as hell to the game.

WP7 isn't selling has a lot to say about the OS. Especially since this is a WP7 vs Android thread.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
No, it shows an honorable devotion to your OS whether it be iGarbage or Android which while good is still more a kids OS opposed to this. Every good phone issues a BOGO, Iphones don't because then people can see themselves as owning a sort of status symbol in owning one. other phone companies offer that because it gets more members to their phone company and allows more people to experience the OS so all sides win with the BOGO. I don't see why you're so insecure about a new competitor. Maybe it's due to the fact that this one is actually competition. Something I as an android fanboy never saw iOS as. I don't think there should be one or the other, WP7 or android but I think both deserve a fair chance and are truly great in their respective fields.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
^ I agree with you on your other points but WP7 isn't selling well. They're using the "if we can't sell them give them away" strategy, too too early in the game. It is everything but a good sign.

Yeah micrapple I mean Microsoft can compete with Apple, but not Android.