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[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
How are emails in a phone essential? I would bet money the average person does not use email on his/her phone. The average phone sold is not a smartphone. The essential feature in a phone is to make/receive calls. Everything else is personal preference. I will not pretend like I do not understand your general point, but I do not believe it is correct.

Even if I accepted the "essential features" argument you are looking at the whole world through the eyes of a techie. There is a human condition that you are missing in the equation.

There are many consumers that buy products for the things they have even if they do not or will not use these features. The high megpixels in a camera is one of those things. So even if you are right that a WP7 phone has enough essential features to appease most smartphone users, the missing features will turn some people that know these features are missing away.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
What are the missing email features, besides copy & paste, that are missing in WP7 that Blackberry has? The only information I do have to go on is a shootout in emails on pocketnow (link) but that was not with a BB.

I am speculating and to me it makes the most sense. It reminds me of xbox 360 vs PS3 vs Wii. Microsoft and Sony went all out in a war to build expensive systems for hardcore gamers, while Nintendo made a killing with their system for the kids and kids-at-heart.

Android, iOS, and Symbian^3 all fighting while BB has a stranglehold in the government and corporate environment. WP7 needs to get some of that pie!
[Windows Phone 7 General] sergioalvarezmac:
I think that if Microsoft make WP7 for the people that usually use BB, they are making something only for a few people. But if Microsoft make WP7 for everyone, they can get more portion of the cake.

What do you prefer, to sell 100 devices or to sell 10000 devices?. Now imagine if you could sell millions of devices instead of a few thousands. This is the key of the business.
[Windows Phone 7 General] AceofSpades25:
People would pick any phone over a black berry. Already BB owners are leaving in their droves for IOS or Android, I don't see WP7 picking up much of that slack.
[Windows Phone 7 General] aznwannabe358:
Agreed. I have many businesses accts come into my store to purchase new phones. Most of them go directly to the EVO display phone. I sell more Android devices to the average business acct. then I do BB.

I personally think BB isn't staying competitive in the tech world and will eventually come to the same demise as palm and wm6.5
[Windows Phone 7 General] researchermd:
Microsoft learned its lessons mostly from Apple. The reason the Iphone is successful is its functionality and ease of use for your average customer who is buying a smart phone mostly for the "cool factor". The reason Apple's devices work so well is the fact that the OS is optimized for the hardware and allows little changes. By only allowing apps through the marketplace Apple is controlling the quality and kept their phones functional. In the past many problems that plagued WM phones are not only related to the OS, but rather software conflicts. Many people complaining about their phones especially here at xda, have just flashed an incompatible ROM, or loaded some software that overtaxed their device. A most common example with TP2 is running sense which slows the phone down, sometimes making it non-functional. In the past WM phones allowed third party software access to almost any function on their phones which created a lot of the conflicts between programs e.g. a dialer software also controls the phone lock screen, may conflict with the native lock screen etc. With the rigorous hardware requirements and apps through the marketplace they can control the functionality of their phones.

After some testing of the practically same ATT Samsung phone with WM7 (Focus) and Android (Captivate), I found that IMHO WM7 is far superior. As a phone running the basic functions it is beyond reproach. I agree with the previous poster who thought that this is a smart way to proceed, it really does not matter if you have customizable phone that looks awesome, but needs constant resetting and is basically a crappy phone. WM7 at this time is limited by the availability of apps. I decided not to upgrade since I am in the medical business I must have an app for drugs. The most useful program that works with most current smart phones is called epocrates. In their reply to me, epocrates stated that not only do they not support WM7 currently, they have no plans to support this platform in the future. I am sure if WM7 becomes popular they will change their minds. In the meantime, until something similar is available I will stick with my TP2, which BTW runs flawlessly.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ustudio:
Sorry for not reading the whole list of posts so if some one has chimed in already in defence of ms then forgive me but guys.... this is version 1 of the OS that's only been out officially a week in the us, come on guys, v1 of apples didn't even have 3g, they had to release another phone to add that, didn't even have half of what ms is at 1.0. Apple can go 10 years with out having multitasking and most people would say who needs it ( cause its apple) and when apple adds it like they just did not long ago, a week later no one can live without it. Ms has a smooth, very responsive OS at v1 with a v1.? coming in a month or so. By the time 2.0, (not 4.0) like IOS comes with our support would have surpassed anything that we have to date. Not saying that apple will stop growing, (or android for that matter) what were complaining about now will be mute. I think most people are ms hater by nature cause we've been with them so long, we feel we have the right to complain. Me I'm happy about thing, I'm a hd2 owner, which to me was one of the best phone made, but the os sucked. Now we have a new OS, with the potential finally to dominate. In 3 months if they ain't got it straight start complaining but for now hang in there......;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] courtlandre:
Agreed and well put. I was a long time windows mobile user (diamond was last), then moved to iphone (3GS), then to Android (Evo & Streak). All I can say is that android feels like windows mobile used to feel. Its fun with its customizations, but in the end I just want a phone that works well and has some decent apps.

Microsoft, for a first gen device, has me extremely impressed. I'm sad when I pull out my evo (im on sprint) when my focus is sitting right next to it. Can't wait for sprint to get WP7 so I can switch!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] southtynesider:
T-Mobile (UK) users can now sign up free to access the Orange network for improved coverage. I have done this and found a big improvement, particularly when I travel around Scotland. The only irritation is that I keep getting the warning message about roaming charges. Is there a way to disable this for the HTC HD2?

I use BSB Tweaks which is great - any chance of the author adding this feature?

Apologies if this has been dealt with on the forum, but a quick search didn't find anything.

Thanks in advance.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Pumper1:
Same problem... :(
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mean-machine:
I have just enabled a few options connected with data usage when roaming. Go to settings/data services and then enable a few under activesync, stocks, weather and internet time sync. never seen that message afterwards.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bitux:
Found this fix from a energy rhodium user

osiedacz

Member Join Date: Sep 2008

Posts: 83

Roaming Service will be probably charged additionally

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Quote:

Originally Posted by osiedacz

Has anyone else been getting the following popup on the November 2 ROMs?

Warning Roaming Service will be probably charged additionally

I live just off the AT&T network, but I never saw this warning until I updated to the November 2 rom. I even tried clean installing and only setting up my carrier. Still get this message everytime my signal connects while roaming.

FYI for all. I figured out what was different in this ROM from the October 25 version. The reg key ShowRoamingMessage was set to 1 in this ROM and was 0 in previous roms. I set it to 0 and all is well again. Not sure if there is a GUI switch for it.

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\BuiltIn\RIL

"ShowRoamingMessage"

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[Desire HD General] Bumble-Bee:
I got my Desire HD and can confirm that VISIONary temp root works.

1: get "VISIONary " from the market

2: Run

3: Leve it ~1min

4: You now have root

This will allow :-

--Backup/Restore From Titanium Backup

--Running apps that requier root access

This Will Not Allow :-

--Editing system / recovery / hboot

We are locked down with the same security as the G2​

[UPDATE]

Paul has updated the app now it works much better on the Desire HD. Iv had no issues so far with this updated version

Happy Rooting :D

​

p.s. ALL credit goes to PaulOBrien for this awsome APP :D
[Desire HD General] EgoPL:
Tested. It works perfect.
[Desire HD General] Bartkevin:
Is there a possibility that the phone gets bricked by this ?

not sure what that app changes on my phone :)
[Desire HD General] Bumble-Bee:
No chance of brick from this :)
[Desire HD General] alexleon:
noobie question: does the DHD's got the same "root-lock" as the g2 has? tnx in advance
[Desire HD General] jkoljo:
You really should read the first post.
[Desire HD General] KOJANHQ:
AdFree working with this ROOT?
[Desire HD General] waddo10:
Excellent. working on my DHD.
[Desire HD General] paulobrien:
Updated to version r9, which runs a lot quicker on the HD! :)

P
[Desire HD General] Black1982:
Yes, this new version works fine!

Many thanks Paul!
[Desire HD General] mesc4line:
Hey, another noob question i guess, does temp root mean I have to use the app every time I reboot the phone?
[Desire HD General] EgoPL:
Yes, anyway you can set VISIONary to root the phone when is booting...
[Desire HD General] tomer4321765:
is there a reason to root the phone now?
[Desire HD General] CSCicus:
Market access for me. Slovakia dont have access paid market
[Desire HD General] pe3141592k:
Some useful apps require root access, such as AdFree which makes ads disappear...
[Desire HD General] xmoo:
Just flashed it, works like a charm!
[Desire HD General] appelflap:
First thing I did when I came out of the store. Did a root on the road. Had to tweak the density immediately. Running 180 now and OMG.......
[Desire HD General] madindehead:
Once I have installed this, and rooted the phone, I can set it up to start on boot yes?

And then apps that need root will work fine? :)

Hope they can properly root this soon ;)
[Desire HD General] appelflap:
Hope so too. I want to/have to edit a couple of files in the system directory..

This temporary root works great (all the root apps will run, expect those that try to modify system files of course :( and maybe those that also want to run at boot). Everything is installed by this app: su, SuperUser and busybox. Great app!
[Desire HD General] MasterOfDesasters:
@mesc4line: do you have it already? If yes, from where you got it? Anywhere in Berlin?
[Desire HD General] :
I can confirm this works also. At least we can run RootExplorer and other applications with the limitiation that modifying system files seems to be "overriden" upon reboot again (just tried changing the build.prop in /system to change the LCD density from 240 to 200/180.)
[Desire HD General] kingkeld:
Titanium Backup?

Would this make me able to use Titanium Backup? That would save me from SO much work. :)
[Desire HD General] appelflap:
Try this app: http://xdaforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=406431&d=1285237421 (app is attached to the first post)

It will allow you to temporarily change the density parameter. The big screen of the HD looks so good with a density of 180. Some apps are FC-ing, and of course, the default Sense launcher goes crazy with it. But with ADW Launcher or Launcher pro, with a desktop layout of 8 colums and 6 rows and a drawer layout of 6 rows it looks so damn nice... and I mean really.

Will look if I can reverse enigeer some of the FC-ing apps.

I mean, did I need a big screen because the standard screen elements looked to small :D Nope.
[Desire HD General] :
thanks for the link :) will take a look now :):)
[Desire HD General] Dioky:
Report

Hi there,

Works for my DHD (NLD version Android) too (c:

Beeing Android noob, I'll have to find out what this superuser account is capable of.

AdFree now works with the rooted phone btw.

Regards,
[Desire HD General] DonkeyDuck:
I just got my Desire HD today (Vodafone UK) after having a HTC Magic for 18 months, (cyanogenmod nightley's since i had the thing)

But am i reading right that the Desire HD can not be fully rooted yet?

If so...... anyone want to buy a UK Vodafone Desire HD? lol, i'd rather stay with my Cyanogenmod Magic

Thanks,

Adrian O'Brien
[Desire HD General] AndyCr15:
Wow, talk about impatient! It's been out 3 days... 'no root?! I'm selling!'
[Desire HD General] RD1945:
hahahaha. lol.
[Desire HD General] stormfury_2:
Hmmm £200 (open for negotiation) for something you don't want? - very off topic but you know.
[Desire HD General] Devil-D:
Well..... i`ve update the HD yesterday to the new 1.32 etc. and now i can`t get my HD rooted anumore with Vision??? Can somebody help me please?! Thanks in advance...

(i`ve tried to use the density changer, and it doesn`t work, because the phone doesn`t root with Vision! At least i think that`s the problem... it`s standing on 240, but whatever i tried to input, it doesn`t change...)
[Desire HD General] apprentice:
VISIONary works 100% for me, I even managed to download and successfully install the OTA update and still maintain use of VISIONary
[Desire HD General] Doktaphex:
all works fine for me after update also
[Desire HD General] appelflap:
It works great here with the new OTA update. However, I have noticed that rooting with visionary is not as "smooth" as before. Anyway, it works... what is probably the most important thing! OMG, I'm totally lost nowadays when I can't root my phone.
[Desire HD General] noobdeagle:
Does Adfree work with this temp root method ?,
[Desire HD General] insty:
Yes, it works fine.
[Desire HD General] Trifidw:
Yep, rooted and installed this morning. Both working perfectly.
[Desire HD General] SupremeBeaver:
Hi guys, i have a question regarding this method of root. I understand its only temporary and if you reboot ur phone the stock rom is loaded back up. Doesnt this mean that all rooted apps you install will be gone and you have to reinstall them again every time you restart? Forgive me if im asking a dumb questions :p
[Desire HD General] combat goofwing:
what are rooted apps (android virgin here) and where do you get them are they on market place or else where

i figure rooting is like hard SPL on windows mobile is it
[Desire HD General] Kelthizar:
There are no rooted Apps, some Apps just need Root Access to fully work on the phone, they won´t be deinstalled, they just wouldn´t work anymore but u can toggle a Button with the "Visionary" App that it automatically will root ur phone again after a restart.
[Desire HD General] lawrence750:
has anyone noticed that this does root method does 'survive' when you turn phone off and on via the fastboot feature..
[Desire HD General] SupremeBeaver:
ah sorry that's what i meant. But good to hear they won't be gone! I can seriously live with this root situation. ok we wont have custom roms for now, but at least we can still use those apps that need root (titanium, tether, marketenabler etc.)
[Desire HD General] Doktaphex:
I don't mean to sound rude, but why wouldn't it? Fast boot feature is just putting the phone into hibernation and therefore there really is no proper boot procedure when doing this.
[Desire HD General] aliaselchore:
Already..........kool
[Desire HD General] LtdEdFred:
Forgive me if this is off topic, but does Google condone rooting? Since they allow an app with the sole purpose of doing so to be on the market. Also, since it's so extremely easy to do it with the use of this app why doesn't Google just ship the handsets pre-rooted?

Good luck seeing this in Apples Appstore :P
[Desire HD General] AndyCr15:
Because you can damage things when you have root access...
[Desire HD General] LtdEdFred:
Well played... Didn't really think of that :S
[Desire HD General] appelflap:
And what's more, it breaks the whole Android security model. Now every app has to have certain permissions that have to be granted by the user on install. With root one gives a app all permissions that can be thought of. :) Plus, one gives a root app permissions that a normal app can't get, like for example reading and writing in the space of another app (and of course reading and writing to the system directory).. So rooting pretty much contradicts the whole Android security model.
[Desire HD General] madindehead:
As far as I know, the only Android phone that came pre-rooted was the Nexus One.
[Desire HD General] AndyCr15:
Nope, no it didn't.
[Desire HD General] ATZ-007:
If I am not wrong, first ever android phone T-Mobile G1 with Android 1.0 was the first and only phone that came with root.

Soon after it was released, they realised an OTA update that blocked ROOT access.

Anyway just got my HTC Desire HD... charging it now... back in the days, new phones had to be charged for 12-24 houses, does the same apply for new phones?
[Desire HD General] appelflap:
I never do a full charge these days and I have never experienced any bad consequenses because of this.
[Desire HD General] AndyCr15:
Can anyone please supply the apk?

I've just hard reset, the Market seems broken so Titanium Backup is my best option. Of course, I can't do that until I have root... so I need to manual install VISIONary :-/

Anyone help please?
[Desire HD General] SupremeBeaver:
what problems are you having with the market? i've heard that google's having some issues on their side, so it might not be your phone.
[Desire HD General] AndyCr15:
Loads of apps either just sit there 'Download starting' or they return 'Download unsuccessful'. What worries me though, when I turn WiFi off, it shows I have H or 3G, the arrows flash, but it wont even load a web page...
[Desire HD General] Kelthizar:
Hi,thats a known Problem with the Market. No worries there...
[Desire HD General] AndyCr15:
The Market will block my data connection?

If I can get VISIONary as an apk I can use that, I have Titanium Backup as an apk, so even without a connection, I could get everything back up and running if needed.

Can I just go into the file system and pull it out?
[Desire HD General] Kelthizar:
No I meant just the downloads not working properly. AFAIK adb is not working, so u cant pull anything out of ur ROM yet.

U just have to try the download in the Market a lot, after a while it will work.
[Desire HD General] AndyCr15:
No, put I have Root Explorer, so I've tried moving a VISIONary file to my SD... I guess we'll see next time it goes pear shaped!
[Desire HD General] xymic:
Got it, downloading it, installed it, ran it and I didn't get root :( I open the app and it shows "rooting now" screen..goes to black screen for couple sec. and then "rooting now" screen again and the app just closes by itself. It installs superuser permissions, but it force closes everytime I see Log. Using mytouch 2.2.1 btw.
[Desire HD General] pauli900:
The 1st time I ran VISIONary I downloaded ad free from the market and it worked perfectly. Since rebooting and running VISIONary again I can't get ad free to work, I've even tried downloading hosts again but no luck. Is there something else I have to do to?
[Desire HD General] xmoo:
Same issue here. Sometimes it works and sometimes it don't.
[Desire HD General] afrcom15:
worked flawlessly
[Desire HD General] mike1986.:
Version r10 is out :)
[Desire HD General] afrcom15:
r10 obtains temp root automatically even after a full reboot:cool:
[Desire HD General] bratfink:
Full root?

Does this mean we have enough root for custom roms etc etc? And does the new feature work for the DHD?
[Desire HD General] mike1986.:
Of course not! Permanent root is only for devices without NAND/EMMC lock!
[Desire HD General] Chad1369:
I dont know if I'm the only one with this problem, but VISIONary perm rooted by Nexus One - even after WIPE I still get root, dont know how to get rid of it, I only wanted temp root
[Desire HD General] mike1986.:
It was mentioned in the changelog that r10 gives permanent root for non NAND/EMMC locked devices. Why don't you people turn on thinking and reading?
[Desire HD General] :
AND

it is so easy to remove root. Delete superuser.apk and su and you are "unrooted"

AND

why are you posting this in the Desire HD Forum :) I expect stuff like this from soccermums (no offense) that have a new plastic phone (SGS), but not people with a Nexus One - that automatically puts you in the "knowledgable users" category :)
[Desire HD General] mrbubba999:
I've installed and rooted, got add free working, yet SetCPU won't work. Does that need permanent root to work?
[Desire HD General] afrcom15:
Nope, works for me
[Desire HD General] abrasive:
I've installed this too, but when I try to install AdFree it just says:

mount -t yaffs2 /dev/block/mtdblock3 /system

adb server is out of date. killing...

* daemon started successfully *

mount: Operation not permitted

adb push hosts.for.mobile.txt /etc/hosts

failed to copy 'hosts.for.mobile.txt' to '/etc/hosts': Read-only file system

Doesn't seem like it's rooted, even though it says it is. This is the first time I've tried to root, so I might be doing something wrong.
[Desire HD General] mehmehmen:
hate to be abitch but just because somenumskull got a contract and decided to pick the gogle phone, this most cetainly does not mean that he is "knowledgable user" it just means out of a lot of **** phones he decided to take a good one out on his contract

:P

meh...
[Desire HD General] :
true, if the NX1 was sold via a provider :) at least all the known operators did not carry the NX1 in their phone-lineup afaiak :)
[Desire HD General] Dioky:
Hi appelflap,

You say busybox is installed by VISIONAry?

I can't find it anywhere and I would like it for uptil now qtADB doesn't seem to work with my DHD.

Regards,
[Desire HD General] mike1986.:
I don't think busybox is being installed with VISIONary.
[Desire HD General] muzens:
I installed Titanium Backup, then clicked on "Problems?" which downloads the latest stable busybox, I think :)
[Desire HD General] Hakimy:
noob question.why do some people consider changing the LCD density from 240 to 200/180 a good thing? could someone show me an example or explain it to me? :D
[Desire HD General] abrasive:
Battery life I guess?
[Desire HD General] steve36:
sorry guys new to android just got my hd tried running visionary says some thing about usb debugging must be enabled to run visionary any help please tia

sorted now guys thanx any way
[Desire HD General] deadite66:
changing the density will alter the size of the ui and text.
[Desire HD General] nitemarc:
Hey guys, at the vendor site, it's written: "VISIONary now supports many more devices, and perma-roots where supported (non NAND/eMMC locked devices)"

Please excuse my ignorance but could someone of you explain me what are NAND/eMMC locked devices? :) Asking for that because I would like to use VISIONary on my HTC Desire (please note, I don't have HTC Desire HD, just plain HTC Desire) You know, just wondering if it's gonna work on my Desire but I also don't want to get my phone bricked.
[Desire HD General] kenmasters321:
i have VISIONary set to auto startup, but sometimes after a restart it does not startup properly - sometimes im just left with a black screen, rather than being prompted to the homescreen, and sometimes im left with the VISIONary menu screen, then i have to select root now for it to perform the temp rooting.

not a majour issue, but can get annoying if it does not start up properly