yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] HD2Owner:
new radio rom

new messaging client

new runcc

rom is online soon.

i will look into oemdrivers now.

ext package list added to first post.

edit (compared to 3.14.531.0):

new xip modules/files:

ROM\LEO\21913\OEMXipKernel

ROM\LEO\21913\OEMXipKernel\datamover.dll

ROM\LEO\21913\OEMXipKernel\Diag_LSM.dll

ROM\LEO\21913\OEMXipKernel\msm_time.dll

ROM\LEO\21913\OEMXipKernel\nand.dll

ROM\LEO\21913\OEMXipKernel\nk.exe

ROM\LEO\21913\OEMXipKernel\pmem_drv.dll

ROM\LEO\21913\OEMXipKernel\rpc_pmem_client.dll

ROM\LEO\21913\OEMXipKernel\smem.dll

ROM\LEO\21913\OEMXipKernel\wce_rex.dll

ROM\LEO\os.nb.payload

ROM\LEO\xip.bin

new oemdrivers:

OEMDrivers\bcmsddhd.dll

OEMDrivers\BT_UART.dll

OEMDrivers\CameraPlatform.dll

OEMDrivers\clkregim.dll

OEMDrivers\dsaudiofilewriteradaptor.dll

OEMDrivers\dsaudioparseradaptor.dll

OEMDrivers\dsmidiparseradaptor.dll

OEMDrivers\htc_camera.dll

OEMDrivers\nand_ext.dll

OEMDrivers\nand_ext_1.dll

OEMDrivers\oncrpc.dll

OEMDrivers\QC_OMXVidEncDriver.dll

OEMDrivers\QC_VideoEncoder.dll

OEMDrivers\qccmquery.dll

OEMDrivers\qdi.dll

OEMDrivers\QVD.dll

OEMDrivers\remote_apis_clnt.dll

OEMDrivers\remote_apis_svc.dll

OEMDrivers\rilphone.dll

OEMDrivers\rpc_daemon.dll

OEMDrivers\simtkit.dll

OEMDrivers\smd.dll

OEMDrivers\smd_com.dll

OEMDrivers\VdecCore.dll

OEMDrivers\windiag.dll

OEMDrivers\gps_oem_apiext.dll

OEMDrivers\HTTPSourceMAPI.dll

OEMDrivers\hwioreg_block.dll

OEMDrivers\IPStreamSourceFilter.dll

OEMDrivers\MP4Gen.dll

OEMDrivers\mp4parser.dll

OEMDrivers\qc_ipl.dll

OEMDrivers\QC_OMXVidEnc.dll

OEMDrivers\RTPMAPISource.dll

OEMDrivers\SCardDriver.dll

OEMDrivers\sio.dll

OEMDrivers\Thumbs.db

OEMDrivers\VdecTransformFilter.dll

OEMDrivers\VencDriver.dll
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] commando0:
Thanks for upload ;)..................

download started :D.......
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] glenbo:
Thank you!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] ajong:
mirror : mega & hot....

http://www.multiupload.com/SRQ6TZTKJ0

enjoy...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] myowin:
good rom

just flashed this rom and so far so good... boy! it's me or the device seems running faster? :) :D
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] deeb:
Hi All,

I'm sorry to bother You, but I really want to have this new official ROM 3.14 on european HD2(originally German, recently working on: SPL 1.66.HSPL and 1.72 Vodafone UK STOCK ROM), but I'm novice here.

Could You tell me which RADIO and ROM I should flash?

I'm aware that I can't flash official new 3.14 ROM WWE using SPL: 2.08.HSPL due to RAM issue. Member <kirkdis> had the same problem.

I don't know if I can mix RADIO from WWE with ROM from USA.

I'll be very grateful for help.

P.S. I will update my HSPL soon.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] not2nys:
Ok... so, I'm confused.

If I have Hard SPL 2.08 installed on my TMOUS HD2, I can't install this ROM?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] not2nys:
Ah, I see in football's thread it works with 2.08...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] kurt-willems:
No sir don't use TMOUS USA Rom on your device, you have a German Rom.

You need to wait to the 3.14.407.2 Rom

x.XXX.531.x are USA Rom (1024Mb ROM)

Or install a custom-built rom HD2Owner have this ;)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] cdyangren:
Vey nice,a new version of T-Mobile,I will be try it.thank you for your works.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] mrkaz:
does this need the ROM to be flashed or can i just install it as I would with an update? If it needs to be flashed where can I get a HSPL that works because I tried flashing my TMOBILE HD2 but it kept saying bad SPL. So if someone can tell me where I can find a HSPL for tmobile so I can be able to try different roms.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] deeb:
Could You tell me where I can find that custom-built ROM HD2Owner?

Thanks
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] kurt-willems:
Ow, yes of course,

here you have the link:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=576215

fore info;

HD2Owner is a member here on xda ;)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Nixeus:
And what about a new HardSPL ?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] HD2Owner:
i already asked cotulla about it yesterday. no answer yet...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Rafiki5333:
Relax

Guys, Unless you are flashing from SD card there is no reason to worry about HSPL. If you are using a 50 radio on a TMOUS or HD2 device then this ROM should not give you any issues. If you are using a 51 radio on an HD2 device then stear clear from this ROM or you may find yourself with a nice brick.:p

Hope that helps!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] kirkdis:
it´s a little bit confusing that this rom is in the wrong category here... shouldn´t it be posted in the tmous category?

--> here: http://xdaforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=624

so some faults can be managed before they happen...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] lonewolf1972:
Is this the update that DINIK is waiting for, then ill wait for his Rom release...also has anybody tried this one out? Is it better than last one?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] matd20012001:
hey guys i have htc hd2 t-mobile usa...n i have 2.13 rom and 2.10 radio.........is the rom posted above on the thread true and the lates..which version is it....?? plz plz help
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] ben00:
Hi, If someone can please advise me, step by step, how to flash this rom, as I am quite a newbie.

I have the Tmous hd2 with the original ship rom/spl.

Do I need to install hspl, upgrade spl?

do I have to download other "nk.exe" file, how would I go about it?

I would like to avoid the ram issue if possible.

Please advise.

Thank you very much in advance.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] d0ug:
I have a TMO HD2 100% untouched/modified as far as firmware goes. Can anyone confirm that I can flash this update and then return back to the 2.13 that shipped with my device if i don't like the leaked rom? or will i need to do a HSPL mod to go back?

I am downloading this file and the 2.13 from t-mobile.com as i type this
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] HD2Owner:
this tmous 3.14 rom has spl 2.10 (european 3.14 versions have spl 3.03).

please wait till someone can confirm it... but why would you go back?

take a look at my "hd2 stock rom overview"-thread for infos.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] CRACING:
Hello,

Posts on this thread are making me lil confusing about this ROM.

Can anybody clear, whether I can use OEMXIPKERNEL, OEMDrivers and packages from this ROM to my custom ROM?

I have TMOUS HD2 and HSPL3 ( 2.08 ).

Thanks...

Best Regards
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] e192326:
Direct download of TmoUS official rom at their website /wmupgrade . Just got the txt msg.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] hoss_n2:
what will happen if i flashed this rom to the normal hd2
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] CRACING:
You'll end up placing your device on showcase. :p

Just kidding.

Its like flashing different device ROM to different device. Check out xda dev wiki about hd2 for more info. :)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] seal_team_six:
Thanks HD2O for sharing this new official ROM and comparing with the previous version... it makes me understand clearly.. difference inside compared to the previous version :)

Anyone who has flashed this new Rom? can you check in the new htc message client is it has secure box menu or not ?

Thanks :)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] thanhtra84:
Thanks !

HD2Owner

This ROM is good
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] ag_il:
Hello, anyone help me.

I am crazy tring to fin a sip client for HTC X7510.

I already try more than 10 clients but no one works.

The best I found it was Express talk but I can notl isten the other side or the other side can not listen me. Whene I run the sound test it do not detect my voice.

There are any good SIP cliente?
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] cmf:
JPM's Email.apk does not support Exchange 2010 SP1 ("Unable to connect server"). That basically means it doesn't support Exchange 2010 at all, since most admins are going to apply SP1 to their Exchange 2010 servers.

If JPM is final, then that's that for the Galaxy S. No Exchange 2010 unless you root and replace Email.apk with CM or stock one.

Nice one Samsung!!

(BTW this was fixed upstream by Google last month).
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] AnnihilatorSC:
Indeed. Didn't work on JPK either, had to fall back to JM9.

Poor. Very poor.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] mstrandbo:
Yikes, this sucks. We run Exchange 2010 (though unsure on SP1 yet), at work.. This will doom the SGS at our workplace (3500+ employees).
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] yaocheng:
NO. Exchange mail works fine in JPK!
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] mjl_79:
yes it does if SP1 isn't installed. I installed SP1 to our Exchange 2010 server week ago and instantly after that mail stopped working on JPK.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] l00k:
Exchange support works fine for 2010 fine on version 14.0.639.21 which is the last rollup prior to SP1.

Got SP1 waiting to go on atm.....might suggest we wait :)
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] AnnihilatorSC:
Can anyone confirm whether it works with I9000XWJP6?
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] cmf:
I knew it didn't work before, but I sort of hoped that the final Froyo release (so far presuming JPM is final) would have a working version. The Email.apk is definitely new - it has tabs for folders, but it doesn't contain the Exchange-2010-SP1 fix.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] sztupy:
The Email.apk is different in JP6 and JPK. Did you try the JP6 version too?
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] cmf:
Do you mean JPM and JP6? I didn't try JP6, no, but I tried JPM (other latest), and of course the older ones like JPK.

Since the source for JPM has just been released, and from what I read in other posts here, it looks like JPM is final, and maybe JP6 is the same but for different regions maybe.

Galaxy Tab Email.apk is sexy but also broken on Exchange 2010 SP1. It sort of works, half of the time. No subfolders contents show, and sync stops working frequently.

If root for JPM isn't working yet (wasn't a couple of hours ago), I'll try JP6, otherwise I'll root and re-install stock (CM-tweaked) Email.apk. I am happy with the stock one, but I find it annoying that the screen scroll/drag doesn't work as it should. I'm used to that from my N1 though.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] sztupy:
Yes, I thought about JPM... I checked the differences between the two ROM's, and Email.apk was one of the files that were not identical.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] rdy2go:
Oh no oooooooooo... Not in the official one...
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] AnnihilatorSC:
Couldn't wait for others to take the plunge so I did it myself: WORKS with JP6!
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] cmf:
Works here too! It's possible that JPM would have worked with a reformat/clear, but I doubt that somehow, since the error message was identical to that of previous versions with the Exchange 2010-sp1 problem.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] sphoenixcompany:
I am running XXJPM on my SGS i9000.

When configuring a new Exchange support, i get:

""SETUP COULD NOT FINISH.

This server requires security features your phone does not support""

But with Touchdown it works.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] id10terrordfw:
Enable the PIN lock in settings before using stock email client, see if that helps.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] sphoenixcompany:
Enable the PIN lock has no effect.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] id10terrordfw:
Worth a shot, there may be something incorrect in this leaked build having to do with how it responds to the security request in Exchange. If I had an actual i9000 I'd test it as I am an exchange admin for an enterprise level agency. Alas, it's not sold in the US.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] TheBeano:
Exchange ain't done till Android won't run. ;)
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] mclad:
Can you please tell me more about the CM-tweaked email.apk e.g. where to get it? Cheers.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] Rickstur:
You can find it here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=789370&highlight=email.apk

I use it on JPK and works excellent (you can even set the synchronising period to "all") :)
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] jollerbarn:
I've been running Doc's JP6 for a few minutes now and it connects just fine to our Exchange 2010 SP1.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] mjl_79:
Are you sure you have SP1 installed on your Exchange 2010 server? I installed yesterday stock JP6 and it doesn't connect to mine Exchange server, same thing with JPK. Had to install Touchdown again.. :(

JPK worked fine until I installed SP1, after that couldn't connect anymore.

Hoped that this would be fixed in JP6 but no.

Touchdown works but is so slow..
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] jollerbarn:
I'm positive.. I installed it myself. I just installed the Doc Rambone JPA V2, and that fails to connect.. gonna try to go back to JP6.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] jollerbarn:
Yup, back on JP6 and it works just fine again. It'll pop up after I set up the account and say that the server requires extra authentication and I just accept that notification and it syncs away.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] mjl_79:
Now I can also confirm that Echange 2010 with SP1 works with JP6. When I was setting account I gor error "can't connect server" or something like that. I clicked ok and next to connect again and got same error message. I continued clickin next and fifth time I got that security popup also, accepted that and email works fine. Now I can uninstall that uber slow Touchdown :)

Maybe its some timeout thing when making initial setup, I have seen same thing with some Nokia phones with MFE. Retry few times in a row and suddenly it can connect to server and set up account.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] l7777:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=8855998#post8855998

The Email.apk in the above thread is confirmed by me to be working on E2k10 SP1.
[Desire General] kekkle:
Guys, I've gotten the oppertunity to trade my current silver HTC Desire, which I trully love. For a brand new HTC Desire HD.

Should I go for it or not? No sneaky catch, it's just my mom needs a new phone, she doesn't care what phone. So I could get a Desire HD with this and she gets my 'old' Desire.
[Desire General] StrongOneX:
gotten the same oppertunity here, my dad needs a new phone!
[Desire General] EddyOS:
Go for it!! :D

Why not!!
[Desire General] kekkle:
I'm really interested in the Desire HD. But I also REALLLLLYYYY love my SILVER Desire.

My previous phone was a crappy HP iPAQ Data Messenger running WM6.1, so I didn't feel bad at all getting rid of that. But this is my Desire dude! MY DESIREE!

Edit:

What requires a Google Account? As she doesn't have Gmail and you know about Android...
[Desire General] StrongOneX:
maybe it will take a long time until root, s-off and uvoc is available, and it might lack good cooked roms and developers. it could be like htc legend and wildfire, nothing really happens at those forums
[Desire General] EddyOS:
Why does rooting need to be the main reason to get a phone? Wouldn't be in my case
[Desire General] kekkle:
I've never modded my Desire in anyway. No root, no flash, no nothing. So that ain't the deal breaker.
[Desire General] h3llb3nd4:
lucky buggers :P
[Desire General] foxmeister:
Desire has 1.5gb internal storage, and a WiFi hotspot, so I tend to agree that rooting it probably isn't going to be as big an issue for many.

In addition, the extras you get from htcsense.com, means it's unlikely you would want to replace the Sense ROM with an AOSP ROM.

Regards,

Dave
[Desire General] foxmeister:
Thinking about it, if your mum doesn't care which phone, get the HD, and buy her a PAYG Orange San Francisco. That way, you can either keep your Desire, or you can sell it! :)

Regards,

Dave
[Desire General] kekkle:
Lol, not that extreme neither. She wants a phone with which she can call, text and read her mail quickly.

She's not an avid internet browser or a crazy install all app-er. She just want to get access to her mail and sometimes chat via MSN.
[Desire General] janeku:
Well don't think so much. Get HD, or if you do not want I'll give my for one HD :) :)
[Desire General] de Wolfe:
Well, the HD is for me just way too big. The Desire 's got the perfect size imo - only option for me were the Z (but I just replaced my HD2 with a Desire last week, so I won't switch too early - maybe in January).
[Desire General] owziee:
Be careful, there are numerous reports about the Desire HD's display looking "washed out"... Some people says the display looks really low quality.

The Desire screen is a dream to look at so I wouldn't trade a gorgeous looking 3.7" screen for a slightly bigger one that has washed out colors. Of course the HD have many other advantages but the display is very important to me at least... It was just a warning, just do a google search if you don't believe me...
[Desire General] ste1164:
Try it at least your mum will have the desire. If you don't like the HD try and get her to trade for the HD and you get your desire back.
[Desire General] Kalavere:
I got sick of the size of my HD2, you can't get into a car without having to remove it from your pocket, it's bulky, they are pretty much one drop wonders as well with a screen that big. The battery life is pathetic and of course, with the Desire HD the battery will drain faster as it's only 1230 mAh quite a bit smaller than the Desires 1400 mAh battery. Coming from a HD2 to a Desire, you really notice that extra juice.

I am so happy with my Desire at the moment I wouldn't swap it for another phone.
[Desire General] chris2busy:
Here is a good one...Market enabler, like in my case , if you live in a country where google does not support paid apps to yet..Otherwise you essensially get a crippled 2k app phone (most of which are wallpaper apps, ringtones and clocks or batt widgets)
[Desire General] MichelN:
I wouldnt trade.....the battery from that device sucks even harder.
[Desire General] h3llb3nd4:
just a teeny question, doesn't TFT screens suck less juice than AMOLEDs?

that's probably why HTC is using a smaller battery on the HD
[Desire General] chris2busy:
it really depends..the new slcd type is tested and has about same and when displaying white content even better battery life..i am not aware what type of screen the desire hd uses though..
[Desire General] h3llb3nd4:
It uses TFT, They couldn't find 4.3" SLCDs
[Desire General] milkpowder:
Not to mention SLCD looks much sharper (no PenTile!!!), performs better in bright sunlight, and doesn't have the over-saturated, orange-y colour cast of AMOLEDs. If I recall correctly viewing angles, contrast and maximum brightness aren't as good, but certainly more than adequate. Anyway, I digress. I just hope the 1230mAh battery will last a day of heavy use. That is my only serious concern regarding the HD. The Adreno 205 should make Flash in the browser run more smoothly. Am I right in saying the Adreno 200 doesn't support hardware acceleration despite Flash 10.1 support? It's a bit like running Flash 10.1 on your desktop, only you're still stuck with a GeForce 6800.
[Desire General] owziee:
I think Adobe worked on hardware acceleration for the Nexus One... so the Desire should use it when viewing flash... At least when viewing h.264 video within the flv container.
[HD2 General] Camusa:
I have never used this guy before, but he has this posted.

I thought you might find it interesting.

I'm still waiting for the tmo site.

http://911sniper.blog.163.com/blog/static/1429008812010913191679/

RUU_Leo_1_5_TMOUS_3.14.531.1_Radio_15.42.50.11U_2.15.50.14_LEO_1.5_Ship.exeLeo/HD2 2010-10-13
[HD2 General] toreone:
I flashed my phone with it and my girls HD2 as well and it has worked really good. I would do it!
[HD2 General] ashasaur:
Indeed, this is a slightly newer version than the one we got a couple weeks ago, and because it says "SHIPPED" on the end it seems legit.
[HD2 General] ElaineD:
Is the ROM in English because I can't read a thing on the website? :confused:
[HD2 General] ddgarcia05:
Why don't you get it from XDA. It's been up for some time now.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=807617

and here

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=789506
[HD2 General] xnifex:
this file is slightly newer than both of those links & looks like it has a newer radio
[HD2 General] ElaineD:
Bless all of you who post direct links and don't tell us to "search" for it. I've decided that I'm obviously the WORST at searching XDA ever in all creation! :o

Maybe someone could post a link to the newer version in english?
[HD2 General] tobiascrystal:
A few questions

First, Does this require HSPL? Is this an actual shipped ROM that I can load like when I went from 2.10 to 2.13?

Second, does this change the SPL version? If it does will HSPL3 work on this new SPL?
[HD2 General] pcmedics911:
Installed 3.14 updated on T-Mobile HD2 US

Ok I have a native (and I mean native) T-Mobile HD2 and I just installed:

RUU_Leo_1_5_TMOUS_3.14.531.1_Radio_15.42.50.11U_2.15.50.14_LEO_1.5_Ship.exe

No problems so far and here are some obvious changes:

Shazaam was on the applications list

Smoother transitioning on apps and windows

There are 3-4 background options to choose from that have odd names...not there so i'm not sure if this are code names.

swype seems really smooth..not sure if it got updated but its nice.

i can check hte versions of the default apps like albums, messages, email, pics, etc and see what they are compared to someone who has NOT updated to 3.14
[HD2 General] ElaineD:
sooo.... to be clear, by "native" you mean you did NOT have to install HSLP to flash the 3.14 ROM? :confused:
[HD2 General] pcmedics911:
Correct!

No HSPL needed. Just downloaded the file above, opened it up and it updated my HD2. My HD2 had no HSPL or other hacks done to it.

So far with full day of use, had good battery life (better than before), no freezing or hanging, loaded a ton of photos, music, books on the SD card which used to cause serious lag. I don't see that anymore.

According to hte HTC website, the update improved better usage of the CPU which is now obvious.

I will be installed CHT and some other 3rd party apps tomorrow to see how they run on the HD2. So far, its been an excellent update.
[HD2 General] pcmedics911:
New T-Mobile 3.14 HD2 Update Release Review

After 48 hours of usage, here are a few thoughts on the new HD2 T-Mobile US 3.14 update:

The days of lagging and freezing are over.

Stable..very stable. Did not have 1 crash or freeze and I put intense pressure on the cpu with various appps both running at the same time as well as cpu / memory hungry apps

CHT 1.8 needs to be updated to work on 3.14

Sense UI is wonderful. This is how it was intended to operate.

Email, Music, Photos, MEssages are the same..no real change that I can see.

I would say the HD2 is really a great phone now with this update. Short and sweet.
[HD2 General] ElaineD:
So CHT doesn't work or won't install? And you're talking about CHT 1.8.5.1 Editor, too? :(
[Legend Accessories] ivanakis:
hey guys, which sd would be the best for the legend? iam interested in an 8gb one, but i dont know which company to choose. Also dont know about the "class"system. Can i use a class 4 sd on this phone? thanks and regards
[Legend Accessories] kuklux:
Class 6
[Legend Accessories] dubart:
Mine is class 2, 16 GB by SanDisk and it works great. Even apps2sd+ works with it...
[Legend Accessories] MariaBLEU:
oh, vert great 16 GB by SanDisk and it works great.
[Legend Accessories] ommx:
i'm using Kingston 16GB Class 10, doesn't feel that much fast and i test with SD speed test it only run up to 4-5MB on Legend, so i guess, Legend hardware doesn't support new type of SD
[Legend Accessories] Dr.Romca:
I'm now using Pretec 16GB class 6 and it is just fine with Legend, but before I used 8GB Sandisk ultraspeed and it was way slower in Legend...it went around 20 / 15MBps (R/W) in the card reader, but only-MBps in Legend...so Legend definitely reads/writes much slower...