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[Windows Phone 7 General] naplesbill:
Samsung! There are plenty of other devices with Android 2.1 that do not have half the issues the Galaxy S devices do. Samsung chose an obscure file system, instead of using a standard one, and this is the main cause of the lag and performance issues. Not to mention that the GPS is a software driver issue that Samsung is responsible for getting resolved. Granted, Broadcom has a part in that, but since Samsung chose the hardware, they are responsible for doing whatever it takes to get it working.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vikas776:
I was blaming both actually

Samsung for their incapability to make it close to a stable phone

Andriod for make things too complex

I dont care about future or fixes in andriod and samsung. My need is in present and i want better things in present, thats what i paid for ...
[Windows Phone 7 General] addicus:
Thank you very much.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
on topic

it would be really nice if the moderators could clean up this thread. :-)

i use android. i loooooooove android. it works very very well for me. the wife looooooves android, same for her. friends and family really enjoy it's speed (cyanogenmod) on their devices after i root them.

while i haven't touched a pc (we're mac people too, flame on!) in 6-7 years, i am interested in windows latest mobile opera.... wp7 as people call it here.

if the thread could stay on topic as to the POSITIVES of android vs wp7, i would really appreciate it myself.

given what i've seen on youtube showing the wp7 interface, i'm having trouble getting excited about it. could the dev's and users that have actually used it please point to the lesser known POSITIVES about the os ?

likes and dislikes are fine, but please do not bash android, symbian, or iOS in the process. it degrades the thread.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Intervenient:
Windows Phone 7 easily.

As others have pointed out, Android feels too beta for me to like. Not to mention it's open market makes it amateur hour for developers, as evidenced by the abundance of low res skins and widgets. There's no uniformity, and is generally quite nasty.

As for customization, I can see no justifiable reason for the push for it other than political reasons. And lets face it, the "customizing" is mostly just picking low res skinning options that look cheap anyways. Why anyone would want useless widgets that show no information written in comic sans is beyond me.

The core apps also suck, aside from the Gmail app.

Also, I like having my phone updated. It's nice.

The only, ONLY thing I like about Android is that it's offered across multiple carriers and manufacturers. Greater chance for app development.

Luckly, WP7 lacks all I hate about Android, and what I like. In addition to great support with my Windows Live account, Xbox Live account, and access to the Godly Zune Pass.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Johnd27:
Good read but this seems a little arbitrary. You can disable the lock screen and most phones have a dedicated camera button anyway
[Windows Phone 7 General] FrankCummings:
I don’t understand all this business about being a “fan” on a particular platform. I don’t have any devotion to any one device, company, platform what so ever.

Not now, but I used to.

I used to be a Mac guy and hated PC. Now I use PC and have been for years.

I used to be a Nikon guy and wouldn’t consider any other brand. But the latest digital camera I bought was a Panasonic.

I used to be an Epson guy and disapproved Canon. But I love the new Canon printer I just got.

I have a Epic now, but I am thinking seriously switching to a WP7 b/c it's looking good.

The point is, I buy what is the best for me … forget about the platform ... no one platform is perfect, each has its strengthw and weaknesses.

I think being so blindly lock down on one thing only serves to limit oneself.
[Windows Phone 7 General] linuxmotion:
Best words ever. No company really cases about the consumer anyway. They just have a product to sell in the end. The companies sell what we'll buy. Great thing for all of is that this whole thing can probably only make our phones better due to competition.

Sent from my ADR6300 using Virtuous 3.01 through XDA App
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
there's this thing, called 2.2.1, it's tasty. the only bug i have right now (nexus + cyanogen) is the battery only lasts two days.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
come on now. the only way you're going to capture action that is happening right now, is with a dslr. i don't care how fast you can pull a phone out of your pocket, or how quickly it reacts to a camera button. set a hardware button to react like this on android, whatever, you're still missing the shot !

now, i'll give props where they're do. the idea of a dedicated camera button that wakes and unlocks a phone makes sense, but i wonder if it can be exploited to gain access to other parts of the phone. (shrug, prolly not, but....)

i really like the idea of setting up a particular app (facebook is the current one ?) that automagically uploads to your FB page as soon as you shoot. that's cool !

the particular feature i really really love about android 2.2.1 is:

snap picture >> preview picture >> upload via facebook, sftp, picasa (looooove picasa!), messaging, youtube, photobucket, imageshack, etc all from one touch.

i usually just upload to my home computer once a day, but if i'm out of town, i'll upload immediately. sftp + a nice camera = very nice images waiting at home instead of on a busted / dunked phone.

******

i wonder if M$ will use their resources to make a badass video editing app like the iphone has ? this is something i'll likely never see on android. and it's a shame.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Microsoft writes the drivers for WP7, so even the hardware parts will be written anf updated by them. Apple updates their phones, why cant MS update WP7.

Small updates will come OTA. Larger updates (I think larger than 25mb or so) will be delivered through the zune software.

A Google could have told you those simple facts...
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
It became important because android fragmentation showed how much of an issue it is.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Reihnold:
Fragmentation is indeed needed and is supported by WP7, because otherwise there would only be one phone. The problem with fragmentation occurs when

There is no minimum specification

Software APIs are not compatible and new devices run a new version of the OS and old devices are stuck with an incompatible API

As far as I can tell from the reports on the web, the second point is a major problem for Android. I expect Microsoft to be better in this aspect, so that all phones get software updates for a reasonable time (2-3 years) and that new Hardware/APIs will be capsuled so that they are optional. To be honest: I think in the near future there will be only one major hardware change with the addition of a front-facing camera. CPU, memory and screen upgrades are changes that should be transparent on an API level (as they are on computers). The only main problem will be an upgrade of the GPU but I think that this will be a few years out (likely with WP8).

A good example of fragmentation done right in the mobile space is iOS: Different hardware with different capabilities but with the same API and support for a reasonable time.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tom_hungston:
Awsome post dude.

I always love Microsoft and always will. All this android bumbashers in my office were telling me android does this android does that. and now with WP7 I can say can your sh**ty android do this... and the list goes on lol

awsome comparison. Many thanks for the dissertation. I thoroughly enjoyed it. :-)
[Windows Phone 7 General] krabman:
I'm on android and wm since I need to sync with a local install of outlook. Was bummed to find out that wouldnt be available to us at least initially in the zune software.

Personally as to the point of the thread one of the great things about the 7 phones is that you dont need to research or do any work to get a fluid and (mostly) hashed out experience. With android I had to carefully research before I bought the phone to make sure I would get and have the experience I wanted. Failure to have done this would have left me quite possibly with a much worse user experience on 1.5 and all the improvments that came between there and up to froyo would be meaningless to me. You are not of the woods there though, you need to carefully set the phone up to get a fluid and fully fuctioning experience. First you have to flash a rom that suits you. And remember you can only do this if you were on the ball in the first place and made sure up front to get a device that could be rooted and that roms are and would be available in the future to work with. A number of launchers must be tried, apps downloaded, screens set up, widgets set up, and so on. On the way there while most apps played well there were several that caused issues that had to be sorted out and some that couldnt be fixed by any means other than an uninstall. Having done that I have a nexus 1 with a completely fluid gui in every respect and everything I do with some frequently is available with 2 clicks. I had to do my homework though and put in the setup time to get there. With windows much of that will be taken out of the equation and I would expect the user expereince to be much smoother out of the box without the legwork.

The flip side of the coin is that I COULD do those things. I was able to completely alter most facets of the user experience in ways that will not be available at least initially to phone 7 users. To me this sums up the most important difference between the two.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Johnd27:
All I'm sayin is literally fractions of a second seem to the linchpin for "capturing the action now". Personally, pulling out my phone, doubletapping menu and hitting my dedicated camera button does the trick perfectly
[Windows Phone 7 General] juggs:
Reading *most* of this thread really reminds me of the "war" between PC and console gamers. Console games will always win when it comes to stability and there will always be the PC guys who love the control over their systems. Console games are built for a specific piece of hardware, where PC games have to cater to a myriad of setups... Bottom line is, I don't care what phone I have as long it does what I want it to do.
[Windows Phone 7 General] plastix:
As a bit of an Android fanboy myself, I have found myself having a crisis of faith over WP7, and have to agree that there is no need to bash it. It is not trying to be Android, it is a whole new experience.

I love the functionality of my Nexus One, in my mind it beats any phone out there in that regard, even WP7 at the moment (in UK anyway). However the UI is clunky and occassionally laggy if I was to be brutally honest, even using CyanogenMod or LauncherPro.

Now, a strong argument for android is that we can use thirdparty apps like LauncherPro or ADW.Launcher, and that choice is great. But having a great UI out of the box and a universal experince for all users, is also a great selling point and a key strength of WP7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] addicus:
Reading the last few posts I've come to realize the bar for Windows devices (WM & WP7) has been raised extremely high here in XDA. What we wanted in 2005/2006 was simply to do a little more than what we were allowed and to have a stable OS. Once the devs started really expanding the abilities of the software beyond what MS was giving us and the hardware started to expand rapidly also the expectations have become sort of warped. Not that I disagree with most of these expectations, but if we look at the situation objectively we want what a company never attempted to give us (any company). We want Windows devices to be Blackberrys, Symbians, Apples, Googles, Palms and Windows. They should do everything these products do, 20% more and do it all better.

Meanwhile Microsoft simply gave us devices that worked well in the business environment, no product advertising to build the brand and depended heavily on 3rd party companies like HTC and SPB to make the interface customer friendly for non business users. All the other things we have come to love and expect basically came from xda devs and similar sites. I think the first time MS even really attempted to give us a friendly user interface was with Titanium and HTC's Sense was so much better Titanium didn't stay viable.

My point is MS has really grown and taken on the idea of appealing to the end user with WP7. May be too much as they've overcompensated by taking away many of the features we long time advanced user/supporters of WM have loved. Some are necessary for developer stability, but most are just not deemed important as the casual (non flashing) user wants to pick up the phone and figure it out and use it as is. We really shouldn't expect MS to come out with a phone that does everything we want as they never have. In fact no one ever has which is why this place is so damn large and there are sites like this for every other ppc OS from Apple to Symbian to Blackberry to Palm. That's why you don't see these damn Apple fan boys running up to every one they see saying, "Oooh my new toy is the best thing ever!", anymore even though the IP4 is the best model of it. After a while everyone has seen these things and even they have come to realize their phones have some strict limitations others don't.

The reasons I'm not angry about not having everything I want out of the box are:

1. MS being in charge of the updates.

2. Standard baselines in hardware and software that will ensure an excellent experience.

3. An OS capable of growing and including more advanced features in the future (from MS or outside devs like XDA).

4. An easy to see dedication by MS to cater to it's users. If MS doesn't show it's end users love, then developers and manufacturers won't either.

That said I'd prefer to have it on my HD2 along with WM6.5.x until all the bugs are worked out. Hahaha.
[Windows Phone 7 General] addicus:
Great points, especially the last one. Major hardware upgrades haven't made the old iOS phones obsolete, just undesirable. It should have never lacked 3g or blue tooth capabilities though. The 3G is still usable (never by me).
[Windows Phone 7 General] loomx:
I think you confusing the word fragmentation with competition...

If a fragmented android system was the only system available there would be no need for inovation from google... Competition from iOS and WP7 however allows for inovation from not only google, but microsoft and apple.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Bulldog:
I don’t know what will the WP7 looks like down 1-2 years from now on but the current UI is very very simple, boring in fact. I can’t imagine that after seen this phone daily for few weeks, one will still think it is appealing.

On a screen like by the HTC HD7 with 4,3" you just have maybe 70-80% usable area. Others are just fonts. No wonder the OS is fast. It has almost nothing to render. http://www.youtube.com/user/mobileburn#p/u/8/_rFmoc_YFMA

Furthermore the animations by the application change are made so cleverly that the OS looks so responsive. However in fact is the animation buys time for the OS to render the next page.
[Windows Phone 7 General] indup:
found this on the net:

User tweakability: Desire HD: 0 - HD7: 0

OS Features: HD 1 - HD7 0

OS Openness: HD 1 - HD7 0

Free OS upgrades: HD 1 - HD7 0

Amount of apps: HD 1 - HD7 0

3rd party SDK power: HD1 - HD7 0

Browsers (selection/speed/support): HD1 - HD7 0

Momentum in the market: HD 1 - HD7 0

Total: HD: 8

HD7: 0
[Windows Phone 7 General] Omega Ra:
My thoughts EXACTLY. I never saw the big appeal of droid...it just seemed like a slightly re-tooled WM...
[Windows Phone 7 General] dre2k14:
I think your forgetting zune hd's in all phones...Music Movies Tv shows games...everything u need basically WP7 is way better
[Windows Phone 7 General] Pickx:
Okay, here is a list of concerns I have with the current implementation of Windows Phone 7:

- Support outside of very specific countries (USA, UK for example) is awful at the moment. No Zune Pass, no XBL, no marketplace, probably no RTL support.

- Codec support. I'm absolutely sick of having to convert media. It's a lengthy and unnecessary process (even if done on the fly like with the Zune software). Years ago I had PMPs (Cowon A2 for example) which supported most codecs out of the box - why is this no longer a feature?! (I'm pretty sure Apple is at least partly responsible for this)

- Ability to play HD content. Technology is advanced enough and I'm not made of money, so it's time to converge devices. I want a device that can play 1080p (or at least 720p) and output it via HDMI. WP7 is clearly sending the developers the message that staying behind the loop, hardware-wise, is a-ok.

- Offline Outlook support. I have a feeling this would never be implemented officially - Microsoft seems too interested in cloud-based solutions.

- Syncing software rather than allowing at least partial disc access. Zune software is great but lockdown sucks.
[Windows Phone 7 General] addicus:
Great points!
[Windows Phone 7 General] dre2k14:
You can use the zune or you can drag and drop whatever you want to do
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
You see how you just limited yourself? When was the last time Microsoft was innovative?

Fragmentation is needed. Perfect example Windows Mobile, if it wasn't for this great open platform we may not have ever seen the great innovations from HTC, Sony, Samsung and others.

MS, Apple, or Google can never be more innovative than the actual hardware makers, never.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rexian:
Some people think creativity comes from limitations. Last time? Well, very recently with WP7.

Well, that's your opinion and you are entitled to that. Apple and many others have created great 'closed' products. Why think WP7 as closed platform? Just because the home screen cannot be changed? I'll wait and see what devs do once it's been jailbroken.

MS is already letting the vendors define the screen size, look&feel, keyboard layouts, storage etc, they just stipulated the minimum. You still need to root your droid, right?

Alright Sir, whatever you say :rolleyes: Some tend to think innovation is really in the software side.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Acid'sMark:
Actually yes you can... I can put an album shortcut on any of my 7 homescreens... btw I can resize almost all of my widgets
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
What you can do depends on what phone you have, which part of the problem with this platform. There is no consistent user experience.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Zune phone I mean WP7 is just like the Zune. Not going to turn this into a argument.

Apple made a great closed product because it is a very limited single device.

No MS isn't letting vendors define any of that, I guess you haven't seen any of the policies.

I'm not going to mention rooting or jail braking anything as it is pointless right now.

Show me one software that was innovative without any hardware innovations. Name one?

Software only pushes hardware innovations.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
If I go from Motorola to Motorola the experience is very consistent. If I go from HTC to HTC the experience is very consistent. The problem is when you go from HTC to LG or HTC to Samsung. Duh the experience will be different! Each of these companies are building and maintaining their own brands.
[Windows Phone 7 General] at45:
This is an appalling post. Can't we rank things like this down to hide them?
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
What version of their skins are on each phone? There is no consistency even within brands. When I say consistent, I mean consistent like Palm Pre and Pixi.

A backflip and a Droid do not really give consistent user experiences.

That is an issue with android, and something microsoft is addressing off the bat.

You do realize this not only save consumers time, but it saves the carriers time and money (no retraining for each manufacturers device) and makes the product easier to support.

Android is going the way of desktop linux, and that is not good at all.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
I don't get what you are saying those two phones are pretty much the same, one is just updated running an updated version of Motos software. Blur isn't the same anymore.
[Windows Phone 7 General] addicus:
Which may be good for their brands if they get it correct but in the end is not good for the OS creator's brand whether that is Google or Microsoft. There is a reason why Iphone is Apples only phone. It was the only way they could secure they would get it right since at the inception they couldn't afford to lose financially.

I like how Microsoft is ensuring the same user experience with different form factors and hardware manufacturers. This may become the new business model as every carrier in the world can have a great product in Windows Phone no matter whom they usually do business with (HTC, LG, Dell, Sony, etc...). If this works properly we may see Google reformat their business model to follow suit.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rexian:
I haven't used Zune extensively but from what I have seen I'd say they just borrowed a few cues from Zune. In fact WP7 design could very well start even before Zune HD was released, so Zune HD possibly borrowed a few things from WP7 and not the other way. In any case it's the same people, so there's no issue here.

Well, the point is they made a 'great' product. It may be closed - you can still do almost anything with their 300,000 apps. There will be limitations, it's not a PC-replacement after all.

You are just trolling without showing any evidence. MS just defined the minimum specs, h/w vendors can get creative anyway they want, and they have. HD7, Focus, Venue Pro, 7 Pro, Surround - they all have different screen sizes, keyboard layouts (none, vertical, horizontal), look & feel (sliders, candybar, slider with speaker) and also storage (Focus has 8GB & supports 32GB mSD, some have 16GB but no mSD). It's just that they behave the same when you turn them on.

You have one right here, WP7 - running on yesterday's h/w. Much smoother and more intuitive than Android running on the current speed king, Galaxy S. You can use Windows 7 as another example (compared to Vista especially). For an application just look at Adobe Photoshop CS5. Lots of creative features and you can still run it on a 5 yrs old computer.

This debate is pointless anyway. An Android fanboy is spending most of his time here in WP7 forum in itself is the biggest advert for WP7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Now you're just not making any since. Every WP7 device you've seen have followed strict policies. Prove me wrong.

Then you say WP7 running smoothly on yesterday's hardware is innovation? Photoshop running on 5 year on hardware is considered innovation by you?

My friend that isn't innovation all.

Another thing I'm not going to get into pissing contest with you, so troll that.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Biges:
So the difference is that WP7 follows much more strict rules to provide more unified experience and easy future upgrades.

OK?
[Windows Phone 7 General] addicus:
Well the big differences are the strict rules will affect the end users (most who don't give a damn) ability to go gung ho and modify the phone while doing the same for the hardware manufacturer (who may be very happy with this).
[Windows Phone 7 General] pack21:
If you do not mind in throwing money away, buy a HD7 ..... if not, buy a DesireHD, Droid is an open system.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rexian:
Yeah, whatever ... now you can go back to your droid hole, or under the bridge ... you decide
[Windows Phone 7 General] JonnieLasVegas:
I'm no expert on either system(never tried wp7 & not sure if I'm a fan of it yet). But from my experience running Android on my HD2, it seems more suited to teens & people not as interested in the system itself, but rather cheesy apps WP7 sounds very crApple like, but only time will tell. But I don't see myself leaving winmo or my HD2 anytime soon.