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[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] alcangel64:
i need help i used visionary and my phone is stuck in htc screen can you help me:mad:
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] MR_XXIV:
I have been trying to use VISIONary to get temp-root so that I can eventually get Perm-root. But after almost a month of trying it seems that my phone won't get rooted. I can't get s-off and it says s-on. Also VISIONary stops running and I get the Superusers app but it says to install an update. And when I try doing that it says something about an error in the SU and to flash in recovery, and well I can't do that because I don't have root. Any suggestions on what to do ?

Or does anyone have a link to the first ROM for the G2 meaning the one before the wifi calling feature added to it ?
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] renn9420:
@ MR_XXIV

Go to Menu > Settings > Applications > press the tab on top for All and scroll down until you see SuperUser. Press that and unistall. Then uninstall VISIONary same way. Reboot phone. Now go to your computer and get on internet and go to theunlockr.com (spelled just like that) and go to the link tab "How To's" or search on the site on how to root G2. There is step by step instructions a video to walk you thru it and links to all the files you need. Real simple and take the confusion and fustration away.

Phone: T-Mobile G2/Vision Rooted

Rom: Latest Cyanogen

Recovery: CWM waiting for Amon_RA
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] MR_XXIV:
Thanks Im doing that right now as we speak I really appreciated =)
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] steviewevie:
[ Warning - controversial post ahead ]

Is it time to stop recommending Visionary ?While it works for some, it strikes me that we often see users stuck in a boot loop after trying it, with corrupted file systems, or with it just failing to work with zero diagnostic error messages provided.

The only reason I can see to use Visionary is for users who don't feel confident to use adb. I prefer the solution of trying to help/educate users so they do feel confident with adb (which is partly why I started a guide to adb over on the DZ side).

No disrespect whatsoever meant to Visionary's dev, it did serve a useful purpose when there was no documented alternative. It's just that it seems flaky and I don't think it's reliable enough. Others may disagree.

[ end controversial post ]
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] hoffreaper:
I used Visionary but after version 12 it just stopped working. On version 12 I was able to temp root and then followed the steps on unlockr to get permroot. However my phone never showed permroot, but S-off was there. Even if you follow unlockr's steps if you have the OTA update then you might not be able to use the root features on the stock rom. Follow unlockr and I recommend CM-6.1 for users.
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] solace.discord:
I'm coming from an HD2 running CM but buggy. I am frustrated in the first few hours of not having CM conveniences on my G2. But I'm not in a position to take on the task of perm root yet- semester ends next Friday. Visionary was perfect- temp root to install and run Titanium Backup to get all my apps back easily. My next project is learning ADB and the SDK, but until then, I appreciate the existence of Visionary.

I also appreciate the ADB guide you're making.
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] Gene_Bailey:
I'm sorry, I just got my G2 today and while I understand there is no true one-click-root method like there is for my epic, it seems many permaroot methods require VISIONary.. yet the download link seems to not be found no matter how many times I click on it. Can someone tell me if it was yanked? Or guide me to the simplest way to do this? I still don't think I have even the drivers, though the ADB should be installed with the android 2.2 sdk right?

*EDIT* nvm I found the files, followed instructions using Unlockr for permaroot and and flashing CM6.1 now :D

out of curiosity tho, why do folks talk trash on visionary so much? they are all about rage and whatnot. is there any real advantage to using that as opposed to what I just did?
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] jomaxwel:
Visionary doesn't work if your phone has been updated and there has been no help from the dev on updated phones. Not even a post from him saying this option doesn't work on post OTA devices. Just a disclaimer stateing that would have cut down on half the posts to this board.
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] solace.discord:
I have the update and I was able to use Visionary to get temp root.

Didn't try the perm-root option though.
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] steviewevie:
rage is a lot safer and more reliable IMHO.

Have a look around and you'll see a *lot* of people with phones that are stuck in a boot loop or on the boot-up screen of the phone, after using Visionary.

If you have a look for people having problems with rage, all you'll find is that it "didn't work", not that the phone got locked up. Usually the reason it didn't work is one of the earlier commands failed, and the user didn't spot the error message so as to be able to fix it.
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] Gene_Bailey:
This is too funny.. I was just reading your guide to using adb as I wanted to gfree my Vision! Hah! Unforunately.. it seems a bit much for me right now >.< I'm not terribly stupid, but the first few times I do something I like to have very simplistic instructions. -.-

As an out of the way question, I did permroot using this with the method at unlockr. It ran flawlessly and I had no issues with my device bootlooping. I'm actually running CM6.1 right now.. I've seen a lot on here about S-OFF and fake rooting and whatnot.. did I actually root my phone or did I just trick my phone into thinking its S-OFF?
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] steviewevie:
I really don't understand what Vsionary does to get S-OFF. I'm pretty sure it must put on the engineering bootloader, and therefore be the "fake" S-OFF, rather than the full one.

If you power off your phone, then hold Volume Down and hold the Power button till it comes up with a white screen, what does it say at the top ? There should be a version number for the hboot version. You can get out of that screen by removing the battery and putting it back in again.
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] Gene_Bailey:
My HBOOT screens says the following

VISION PVT ENG S-OFF

HBOOT- 0.76.2000(PC1010000)

MICROP-0425

RADIO-26.03.02.26_M

eMMc-boot
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] steviewevie:
ok, that's what I thought, it puts on the engineering bootloader. You don't really need that any more, but don't worry.

Now use the "gfree" procedure to get the full radio S-OFF, plus SIM unlock etc. This is a lot safer, because with that eng bootloader there are scenarios in which you can brick your phone if you flash the wrong stock ROM version.

Seems like another reason to not recommend Visionary to me.
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] Gene_Bailey:
Crap... ugh I wanted to gfree anyways... but like I said before the instructions sound like they are intended for the geniuses that populate these forums and not for me lol. Many people will say things that cut corners in writing down long directions because they assume people know how its done already -.- I would do the same thing haha but right now I'm in the learners seat
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] gtrab:
Maybe a link to the easy tutorial FAQ would help a lot of people here. That FAQ covers 90% off of the questions asked through out this thread

Sent from my Godspeed 1.4GHz Android HTC DZ
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] gbarayah:
I used Visionary to Root my Desire Z as well but my bootloader is a bit different:

VISION PVT ENG S-OFF

HBOOT- 0.84.2000 (PC1012000)

MICROP-0425

RADIO-23.03.02.26_M

eMMC-boot

Visionary wasn't a 'smooth' process per-say... It never gave me trouble getting a temp-root but it took 3 tries for it to successfully permaroot my phone.

After reading the thread seems like I am one of the lucky ones as I didn't end up with a Brick or semi-Brick.

What is a 'full' radio S-OFF and how does it differ from what we have with visionary? And aside from making the mistake of flashing the wrong stock ROM, is the device safe with this S-OFF and permaroot?
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] steviewevie:
It's very easy, honest. It might look scary at first but gfree is very very straightforward, all you have to do is type in a few commands as root. It's safe too, you can't accidentally brick your phone with gfree.

Take another look at the instructions in the sticky thread on gfree, and ask questions in there if there's something you're not sure about.
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] steviewevie:
That's fine, that's just the DZ's engineering hboot, which has a different version from the one on the G2.

It's all explained very well in the Wiki - http://xdaforums.com/wiki/index.php...hat_is_Subsidy_Unlock_and_why_do_I_want_it.3F

With Visionary you currently have the "Label S-OFF" that the Wiki refers to. Your phone will be safer if you use gfree to get full radio S-OFF, because there are less chances of bricking if you apply the incorrect ROM, and more ways to recover from a tricky situation.
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] PhantomRampage:
So my sister just got a G2 and asked me to root it for her (I had rooted her mt3g before) but for some reason VISIONary isn't working right.

I run "Temproot now" and gain root, then i run "Attempt Permroot now" and all it does is restart. Once it restarts i still don't have root access. Am i missing something here?
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] steviewevie:
Sometimes Visionary works, sometimes it doesn't. You could try a different release of Visionary to see if that helps, but personally I recommend using the "rage" method to get root. At least you can see what it's doing, and if there's an error message you can see it and ask for help.
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] PhantomRampage:
I'm sorry to be a bother, but do you think you can link me to a thread on how to use this "rage" method please?

I looked through the forums and apparently there are multiple ways on doing it, some being outdated, so i'm just hoping you can point me in the right direction for the most updated method
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] steviewevie:
The most up-to-date guide is in the Wiki - http://xdaforums.com/wiki/index.php...cess_.28Permanent_Root_.2F_.22Permaroot.22.29

It relies on you having adb on your PC, see this guide on that - http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=865685
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] PhantomRampage:
Thanks man, I appreciate the help!

Will report back after giving this a go
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] boyfrom75:
I broke mt phone with Permroot :(

Note to everyone.. It is confirmed ! Permroot does brake your phone.. I was using temproot and everything was working perfect.. But I made the stupid mistake to press PERMROOT and zazzzzz !! the Phone reboot and now Im stuck in the HTC logo..!!

My phone DO NOT BOOT...!... Now I lost the phone and I can not do a system restore or Factory Reset because the main imge has been change...

When I try to do factory reset the phone reads the room and it can not reinstall it.. I only get a red icon with a exclamation mark "!"..

Were I can get a buckup of the original HTC room ??

How can I recovery the original room ?

This is a $500 phone and I did NOT buy in the store.. I trade with a laptop computer plus $120 with a guy in the street from craigslist... :(

I dont have a receive and I dont have warranty... Im crying for help !!

PLEASE someone help me to get the room back to my phone.. :( pleas please..
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] steviewevie:
First of all, which ROM were you running ? Is it a G2 or Desire Z ?

Can you get into the bootloader (hboot) ? You do this by having the phone powered off, then hold the Volume Down button and at the same time hold the Power button until you get a white screen with three skateboarding Androids at the bottom. Is that what you did to do the factory reset ? If so, at the red exclamation mark screen try pressing Volume Up and Power.
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] boyfrom75:
I did everything you are telling me.. I did it all nothing works.. Is there any way to reinstall the original room from the SD card.. Or I need a custom bootloader...

My old phone was a G1 and I had a custom bootloader and I just to change rooms all the time, because I had a option to flash a room from ZIP file..

But This new G2 do not have a custom bootloader .. How Im going to reinstall a original or new room to the phone ??

I have the Tmobile G2 with original room from the manufacture, nothing changes on the system..

The only thing I did is run Visionary and press Permroot

My HBOOT screens says the following

VISION PVT ENG S-ON

HBOOT- 0.82.0000

MICROP-0425

RADIO-26.03.02.26_M

eMMc-boot

Sep 2 2010, 17:59:38

I wandering why it say Vision PVT ? is this because Visionary was installed on the phone and it has changed the boot file ?

I have the new Tmobile G2 that just come ot to the store 1 month ago..

Here is the picture of the phone... BUT because im a new member the forum is not allowing me to post images.. So you have to add the: h t t p after the link or just copy and paste the next line in the browser..

images.intomobile.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/t-mobile-g22.jpg
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] steviewevie:
Hmm. Well you have the stock Desire Z radio on there, not the stock G2 radio. So that's been updated.

I'm also puzzled by the bootloader being "ENG S-ON", as opposed to "ENG S-OFF" or "SHIP S-ON".

How did you try to do the factory reset before ?

Are you sure you can't get it into the bootloader ? As I said, start with it powered completely off. Then hold Volume Down and hold Power for a few seconds.
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] boyfrom75:
Yes I can get to the bootloader .. But there is nothing I can do in there.. ..

Factory Reset .. dont work because after the phone reads or try to reinstall the room .. who knows wha is doing ... It reboots and get stuck in the HTC logo for hours..

Recovery.. there is nothing I can do with this option ,,, because when I click , it goes to a phone icon with a RED exclamation mark "!" and nothing happens if you press the buttons... :(
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] boyfrom75:
****... This sucks ...! man.

I think I will go to the store and get a brand new G2 cellphone.. open the phone and change the motherboard and return it back to the store..

I have no other chose... I sorry but Tmobile and HTC have lot of money... I dont !... They can fix the phone and sell it as refurnished..

This will stop me to play with things that Im not suposed ...

I love my rooted G1... I have changed the room somenytimes with out a problem..

I like the new G2... but is to early to star to play with it... I will have to wait another few months for XDA and other guys to come out with something goood..

The only think I know is. that I lose almost $500 for playing with beta software..

I hope I can fix my g2.. because I really want to learn the new age of rooting phones... :) ..

Rooting the old phones like the G1 was too easy... I hope I can fix my G2 .. Im so sad now.. :( ..

Tmobile G2 USA...
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] steviewevie:
You can flash the stock ROM if you put it onto your SD card and you can get into bootloader. That may well work fine. Although I'm a bit concerned that it doesn't seem 100% clear if you are S-ON or S-OFF etc.
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] hightechlive:
im still having problems rooting my phone also and my phone shows s-off and still not rooted.can i restore it with the stock software and if i do will it make my phone s-on?
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] PhantomRampage:
Thanks steviewevie :D

I was able to get my sisters G2 permrooted last night no problem.

No i just have to figure out how to get swype back
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] boyfrom75:
Were I can find the stock ROM ?... Im looking on the internet for hours and I can not find it...?

My HBOOT screens says the following

VISION PVT SHIP S-ON

HBOOT- 0.82.0000

MICROP-0425

RADIO-26.03.02.26_M

eMMc-boot

Sep 2 2010, 17:59:38
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] steviewevie:
The G2 stock ROM is at http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=788489

If you put the file on the root folder of your SD card, called PC10IMG.zip, and you reboot into bootloader, then it will open it up and ask if you want to flash it.

HOWEVER, I am still not clear what ROM is on your phone. If you are at S-ON as hboot is saying, then you should be safe to try. If you don't have this same ROM version, but you have the OTA or even something different, then the update will fail saying you are trying to flash something older, and you will have to go through this procedure to downgrade - http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=831398
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] GlitchZero:
A lot of people are retarded then apparently. We're modding our phones, there's no "safer", in fact the safest root method would be keeping people who don't know what they're doing the hell away from adb or a terminal. If only there was an application that automatically ran these things and made it easy for newbies...

Omg. I got it. An app, called Visionary+!

Get over yourself, pal. There's nothing safer about rage, you can **** your phone up using ANY root method.
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] steviewevie:
Just because you are doing stuff to your phone that the manufacturer didn't intend, doesn't mean there's no "safer" way than another. There's a degree of risk of course, but that risk varies depending on what way you do it.

Let's say there was a method that involved dd'ing your whole ROM across, compared to another method that involved you running one Android shell command that changed a variable in a config file. A huge degree of variance in risk there.

Visionary has been demonstrated to put many people's phones into a boot loop, from which they can't recover without help from the forum. Sure, it works for many people, but I'm more concerned about those it doesn't work for.

I do now know of anyone's phone that has been put into a boot loop because of rage. The worst that happens is that it just doesn't work, but the phone is still useable. So rage is *much* safer than Visionary.

It doesn't make sense to say there's no safer way. The guy who was responsibly for cracking the NAND write protection (Scotty2) himself said that the gfree way of S-OFF is *much* safer than the previous way of dd'ing an engineering hboot.
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] DrLabRatOry:
Just wanted to point out that in many cases for people who tried to root with VISIONary, this method won't work. It requires adb to be working, and adb is disabled in recovery mode, or never comes online when you try to boot normally.
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] boyfrom75:
Yes DrLabRatOry you are correct ,,, this method did not work,,, The indications say "ADB required to be working" and my phone is dead on the HTC logo.. I can not downgrade with this method..

Plus I can't flash the original G2 room because my phone has the new update and the original G2 flash update fail saying the file is old...

I think.. Now a realize that I lost my G2 and there is nothing I can do at this time..

It may be one option... Is there a way to reinstall the Desire Z radio ?

But Im confused .. Is not Desire Z only used in phones from Europe ?

Im on Tmobile USA...
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] steviewevie:
The only difference with the Desire Z vs G2 is the radio bands. They can run the same radio software/firmware. A G2 can run the Desire Z radio fine, many people are doing that. The radio bands are set in hardware (the antenna), not in the radio software.

You could flash a custom ROM to your phone from SD card, just to get it back up and running. Then get adb working and go through the downgrade process so you can go back to the stock G2 ROM.
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] sylin1216:
I got a question for you guys.

I'm a total noob about rooting. Is it fine if i just use visionary to get temp root and disable some stock apps and un root?
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] steviewevie:
With just temp root the internal storage is write-protected, so if you disable stock apps those changes won't be saved after a reboot.

Sent from my HTC Desire Z
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] Dom18:
paul has a guide on the forums here, and on his site (easier to find on there) were you can temp root and disable the junk apps and have them removed from the app drawer, check it out its actually really easy to do, just need Terminal Emulator and VISIONary, they wont re-enable themselves unless they get updated.
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] boyfrom75:
Someone knows were I can find a Custom room that works in my Tmobile G2 USA...?

I need to install the room in recovery mode...ONLY .. because my phone do not bootup.... So the adb is disabled and the phone do not work... I only have access to recovery mode...

PLUS the phone is NOT rooted...

Is there a custom room somewhere that can be installed in my NOT rooted G2 by Recovery mode..?

If there is ,, can someone give me the link...?
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] KiNG OMaR:
Okay,

1) To flash ANYTHING you need s-off (PERM root)

2) In order to flash a custom ROM you need a recovery that allows you to flash unsigned .zips (e.g. Clockworkmod)

There is not much you can do from the stock recovery and since it is S-ON, you can contact T-Mobile and they *might* replace it since there is no clear evidence of root.
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] steviewevie:
I think replacement by T-Mo sounds like the best option. Since it's S-ON you cannot flash a custom ROM or custom recovery, all you can do is flash a stock ROM. But it won't let you flash an older ROM either.

Does a factory reset not work ? If so then I think you need to return it, I don't see another option.

The only evidence that your phone has been modified is the non-stock radio. I doubt T-Mo are going to notice that.
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] htc fan89:
The download link isn't working for me... Also tried downloading it from modaco:(
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] choppa26:
Phone is cooked

I have 3 G2 phones sitting in front of me i did the permroot on 1 which gave it the dredded HTC white screen lock. 2nd phone sned frm tmo but sd card slot was brken n 3rd is the replacement so Now I ask cause im scared to try VIS again can someone please direct me the the easiest most basic way to root my phone not a phone pro.
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] soypoi:
Supposedly This is the easiest way to do it but easy is quite subjective apparently. I have a G2 sitting here in front of me locked and I just broke down and paid for the unlock code..
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] jojo_16:
Correct me if I'm wrong I think his the one who swapped his laptop+money to get a G2 from a random guy from craigslist.
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] steviewevie:
Use the guide in the Wiki - http://xdaforums.com/wiki/index.php...cess_.28Permanent_Root_.2F_.22Permaroot.22.29
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] martonikaj:
Reading through this thread and im seeing a lot of uncertainty about this root method. Are we seeing a much higher chance of bricking the phone via this method over a more manual method? I don't mind doing my research and going through the manual method if its "safer".

Im getting the G2 soon possibly and im worried that I may be struggling to root it (have an Evo 4g now and im spoiled from one click guaranteed roots). Honestly ill be less inclined to root the almost stock G2 compared to the Evo. I just didn't like HTC Sense.
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] htc fan89:
can someone pm me the link to download r14, because I tried going to modaco forums and its not working.:(:(
[G2 and Desire Z Android Development] dictionary:
Dunno. I had used r12 with no problems back when I first rooted and it was fine. Now everyone seems to have problems with visionary. Try using rage or gfree