[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
once again, you have to search for an update instead of it being sent to you to install. How many regular folks go looking for tech updates for their devices?

I think you said it better than I could... ;)

I hope your apps are better than your spelling....

1. As already told to you, yes there is 3d gaming. There is also already quite a lot of good games on wp7. The only game I ever played on android when playing with it on my hd7 was angry birds. Even engadget which is all ios and android love these days admits that android has the worst gaming experience

2. Where is this long list of bugs. For a first release of a mobile OS, I would say they did quite well. Marketplace is about the only constant bug I read about.

3. The point of working out of the box, means, I don't have to hack/root/unlock my phone to make it work as smooth as the iphone. They set the standard for how a phone should work. Smooth as silk, with misleading load screens that take your mind off the fact it takes time for apps to open. A stock winmo phone has never been smooth. Some android phones are smooth out of the box, quite a few aren't. I was shocked that there are lag problems on the vibrant. To get it to work as a 1ghz phone should work, you have to root and install a lag fix.

How many times a day does your phone freeze, or lag? I have only reset my phone 3 times in over a month, all due to marketplace crashes. And it boots in under 30 seconds. Winmo can't do that.

I agree. I didn't get into this community because I wanted to at first. It was because I had to. To make my moto q9c, or my tp2, or my hd2 run decently, I had to come here and ppcgeeks, and spend hours reading threads, just to make my phone not embarrass me in the iphone crowd. Nothing better than trying to show off something as well made as the weatherpanel program for the hd2 and have your phone lock up for you, then take over a minute to reset, requiring you to take off the back cover.

I appreciate everything I have learned on here, but I won't miss having to tweak my phone to make it work.

Those of us who paid attention, knew it wasn't going to be like winmo. That old system functionality included way too many problems which is why MS had to start over.

Name one game besides angry birds that is better than a wp7 game...

You really don't get it. The majority of users:

1. Don't need access to files on their phones. As long as a program that needs the file can find it, then so be it. I don't care where wp7 puts that file. How many times have you needed a file on your computer, but didn't know where it got saved and had to search for it??? If I need to carry files, I have 3 or 4 usb sticks laying around.

2. I think you are the only person on this 40 page thread that says android has a faster UI than wp7.

3. Just because you think something is basic functionality doesn't make it so.

Most people don't care about file explorer, or total multi tasking, or using your phone as a mass storage device, or tethering.

They care about streaming music (zune), facebook (people tab gives you all updates in one spot), twitter (beezz is quickly becoming my favorite app), streaming videos (zune auto converts that for you), games (xbox live is kinda gimmicky right now, but the games are better then what I had on winmo and what android offers), texting (all phones do this, wp7 does this without lag, you know, the opposite of winmo), taking pics (auto saves them to skydrive, 2 presses of the screen to upload to facebook, email, text them).

1. Since I'm not tweaking my phone, I don't need 90% of the files I needed on my hd2.

2. Haven't had a problem downloading files, pressing on the file gives me the option to save.

3. If the app needs to access the file, it will be able to. Can you give an example of what you are even talking about?

4. And isn't that coming soon? I think you have a better argument with flash support, but oh wait, most android devices still don't have 2.2.

5. It's called zune, does the same thing.

6. What do you mean? If I'm typing something in office, leave and come back, it's still right there where I left it.

7. Can't argue that, though do I really need 15 apps open in the background? How's the battery life on android???

8. Didn't IOS just add that? Didn't hurt their sales the last 4 years.

Exactly. Flashing my wife's and son's hd2's, I noticed just how much lag there really is on winmo, even with a great custom ROM. There's a reason that spb MS is so successful and why MS 5.0 is also going to be on android. Out of necessity.

Really? I don't even have to ever connect my phone to my pc except:

1. First time it syncs with zune

2. Any updates to the OS from MS

All other syncing can be done over wifi and it will automatically happen.

I'm guessing you had to root and install the lag fix on your vibrant???

Umm, T-mobile offered all phones for a penny on father's day, android included. Carriers only care about getting you under contract with big data plan prices. That is where they make their money.

1. You are a 62 year old man with dexter's laboratory as your avatar? Kinda creepy

2. If that full range of functionality on winmo was such a selling point, why is MS bleeding market share???

What you need to understand is that the buyer's of today and tomorrow are teenagers who want multimedia, games, texting, and social networking on their phones. They are the driving market, not 62 year olds. Most 62 year olds have flip phones if they have phones at all, or they have iphones because their kids bought them for them.

MS said from the get go that entertainment aspects of the OS would be the primary goal at launch with business aspects being improved upon within the first year. So far they are doing just that.

Ok, so using your analogy, since wp7 is just then next version, then at least most of my 6.5 programs should work on wp7. Oh wait, they don't, because most of the new programs are written in a different programming language.

Apps I use everyday:

1. Beezz for twitter

2. Yomomedia for RSS feeds

3. Netflix

4. Zune

5. Games

6. weatherbug

7. youtube

8. office

9. flixster

that is pretty much my home screen.

The biggest problem with the kin is that verizon attached a smartphone data plan (30 bucks a month) on a glorified feature phone. That doomed it from the start. But that doesn't mean it didn't have some good ideas with its picture capabilities and social apps.

You need to root it and install the lag fix, that should fix a lot of the problems.

I'm hoping the back of my hd7 doesn't break. I am not thrilled that is plastic, though I haven't had to take it off yet to reset the phone either so that is a big plus of wp7.

You are the first person to ever called stock winmo stable....

Does WebOS even support sd cards? Probably not if none of the phones have them.

and to stop freezing, and stop lagging.

First time I've laughed at something in this thread.

:D

This does bother me. Give me the option to buy an ad free version. Even some of the .99 apps I have bought have ads in them....

Doesn't bother me. The phone is working great. They are promising more 3rd party multitasking ability for the feb. update and that is the only thing I want. I want my twitter app to stay open when I click a url.

A lot of the problems with apps not opening where you left off is developer born. They have the ability to add tombstoning options to their apps but alot of apps don't take advantage of this.

I knew this phone wasn't going to be perfect out of the box. I wanted to be on at the ground floor and see where it went. So far, I am very happy with it.