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[Nexus One General] ohgood:
i loooove picking apart things, here we go:

1 fix what up ? it works, very well for me. downloading and installing 2-3Mb apps is only moments on 3g, and seconds on wifi.

2 uhm, ya, because FIRST RELEASES ARE ALWAYS FINISHED AND POLISHED when they come from redmond. right ?

3 i use cyanogenmod nightlies. everything works. even the fm radio. (shrug) what features exactly are you talking about ?

4 "will" integrate is the optional word. that's future speak. windows 8 isn't even RC yet, so you have no idea if it will actually -work-.

5 all what integration ? where is the marketplace ? is facebonk all you use ? will you use 3rd party apps, on a windows-secured (LOL) device ? oh my!

6 more future speak. like copy/paste ? it's cloud alright, but not today (trademark)

7 because, oh hell, just look at who's making it.

7.5 this number was used because given past experience, it's going to take at least a .5 or so service pack before it's usable with all the touted features.

8 searching databases always takes a -moment-. data moving over wifi/3g/whatever and comparing databases will forever take a moment. moments being 4-5 seconds. if you find that wp7 does this is less time, congrats. and since every iphone developer and android developer is FLOCKING to wp7 developement, ya, there will be tons of high quality, awesome apps. (smirk)

9 it displays artwork, shuffles, has playlists...

10 and streams over bluetooth (very very nicely ime) or there is that very interesting 3.5mm plug thing that well, you just plug into.

*********

i you want to try wp7, just try it. if you're planning on using featurse out of the box that M$ -says- will work sometime in Q1 of 2011, man... has it been that long since you used a pc running windows ?

we gave up on microsoft's offerings 6-7 years ago, and haven't looked back. we're mac goofs here, and android nuts. that being said, i'm interested in seeing the features of wp7 first hand myself. i really do not like the UI i've seen on youtube with the hub format. some of the integration with FB and seeing up to date widgets is neat. i'm very curious to see if it will handle multi-tasking as well as my nexus one with cyanogenmod, but i'm betting on not.

will i buy a wp7 device ? definitely not.

will i buy a computer with windows 7, 8, or 9 to 'integrate' with a phone ? no

will i buy an iphone because i have a few macs around the house that i love to use and want 'integration' ? no

you asked :-)
[Nexus One General] ohgood:
future speak...

"windows xp is secure, and service pack blah will make it even more"

"windows vista is the most secure ever, and service pack blah will make it.."

"windows 7 seven home premium elite awesome soccer ball edition is the most stable, most secure and service pack blah is ...."

i really don't understand people that buy -any- product on the belief that it will ever include software better than the purchase date. what kind of thinking is that ?

customer: "but this product doesn't do xyz"

marketer: "in just a few (6-8 months approx) it may be able to do that!"

customer: "can i get my money back if it doesn't since you promised it ?"

marketer: "ohhhh, look, a quarter on the floor ! gotta go !"

really, i know that's an exaggeration. sometimes it's needed to get a point across.

if apple says it's iphone os 5.9 will be able to levitate you, and it might work on the iphone 4, would you buy one ?
[Nexus One General] krabman:
Android was a lot less polished than it is now not very long ago, it was a lot less feature rich, some promised features are still not here, and its still a work in progress. Either you give MS the same leeway or *****slap Google. I dont care which but be consistent.

Personally neither MS or google is snuggling up to me in bed and keeping me warm at night. Like any other corporation all of us exist to them only as targets to harvest money from and I little understand the rampant fanboyism you see on these forums. I will use whichever system gets me where I want to go with the least expense and fuss. Or neither if one of the other operating systems should end up offering me more.
[Nexus One General] tameracingdriver:
All those who say android is plain Jane just need to install a nice theme - I'm using minimal matte, and I think the os looks gorgeous with this. That's the beauty of android, it can be anything you want it to be.
[Nexus One General] diablos991:
After reading the phandroid exclusive of gingerbread, I'm now 100% sure that I will be going to windows phone 7 on launch day.
[Nexus One General] nexusdue:
Yes. I have used it. You apparently didn't. Copy and paste in emails ... yeah, didn't think so.
[Nexus One General] nexusdue:
Yes. And even the "customizable" is crap, since you need to root for that: Who says that WP7 won't allow the same after jailbreaking.

(Aside from the fact that 99% of the "customization" is crap too.)
[Nexus One General] predator290:
I'm fairly sure that gingerbread will be more than just a few color changes. I'm thinking about jumping onto WP7 on launch. But I will never give up my nexus one. I've been spoiled with the whole dev phone. Hopefully they will figure out how to tinker with the wp7 os.
[Nexus One General] tarusdg:
what (important) features is WP7 missing? (just out of curiosity)
[Nexus One General] norazi:
too early to say... ill make my judgement after seeing at least 3 WP7 phones in the wild with solid reviews. i gave iOS a fair shot and ill do the same for WP7
[Nexus One General] justclimb:
Q: Who is switching to WP7?

A: None, at least with half a brain.

What offers MS? A renewed version of Vodafone 360?

:cool:
[Nexus One General] nexusdue:
Half brain people like androids broken "features"?
[Nexus One General] KidTech:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but dont you have to unlock the bootloader or change a ROM? To theme up ur N1, and doesn't doing either one void your warranty and brick your device?
[Nexus One General] RellikZephyr:
Two big ones for me are copy and paste, and Bluetooth file transfer. There was a couple other ones that I thought there was no reason for them to be missing but are. Can't remember tho, that's why I said I'll prob check out second generation cause a lot will be fixed

Rellikzephyr
[Nexus One General] nexusdue:
It's not exactly a vote of confidence that MS' programmers can't even copy these features from iOS/WM6.5
[Nexus One General] x986123:
To those who think CyanogenMod is the best **** ever... I disagree. It looks nasty and the themes for it are crap. They leave out some PNG's so it's all mis-matching and wrong resolution. And you can't fix the app interfaces, all designed by 5 year olds with crayons.

I'm still in between on this, can't decide without trying.
[Nexus One General] Imperial.mack:
Maybe yall should get an hd2 that way you can have the best of both worlds right

Sent from yo mommaz house
[Nexus One General] mingkee:
I have no plan to switch to WP7 in the near future.

Frankly, this is not for professional.

No tethering

No cut/copy/paste

No extrenal memory (memory card)

No legacy application support (I have a lot for older WM)

No Asian language support like Android/iPhone
[Nexus One General] musashiken:
Ok I need to ask, are Windows 7 phones even out yet? Are people actually using them on the streets now? So why are we doing comparisons now?

I think I need a couple of days of actual usage to even decide if the phone is good.

All this "I'm so gonna change to W7 when it comes out" is really unnecessary because there's always a chance that people are going to say "I told you so, u should have just stuck to Froyo"

Wait til the phones are out, then we bring out the flamethrowers.
[Nexus One General] stevefwt:
I've got half a brain and my N1 is set up and running better than any OS I've experienced.

I'd never even consider W7 after the terrible history of windows CE/Mobile. Glad to see the back of it.

CyanogenMod IS the best sh!t ever. People are entitled to their own opinions.
[Nexus One General] NexusDro:
I am not a techy person but I like how fast froyo runs on my phone. To the ones who are jumping ship, do you know if wp7 is gonna be as fast or faster? Does it have adobe flash? It seems like some of you want to go back to the pre iOS 4 days, no multitasking, no bluetooth file transfer, no tethering, no flash, and one form factor.

For the person who says android's copy and paste sucks, are you going to switch to wp7 which has no c&p at all until who knows when next year? Have you seen the copy and paste function in the sense UI?
[Nexus One General] grainysand:
Lol, troll thread. People, please take note:

This is word-for-word the same dribble a particular WP7 fanboy troll on Engadget has been copy-pasting from post to post forever. No matter what the article is about, a flame war erupts in the comments and always this person will show up with the exact same tedious, repetitious drivel as before. WP7 is god, Android is ugly and "looks hacked together", designed by five-year-olds with crayons, etc etc. This person has been banned multiple times on Engadget, and comes back again and again with new accounts. I'd like to hope XDA mods will follow suit, but make it an IP ban or something more permanent. This guy is a pest that never goes away. He, in all likelihood, doesn't actually own a N1 and has never used Android.

Hello, chadaddy/Android looks hacked together/etc.
[Nexus One General] mjm128:
If I want polish I go for iOS, if I want raw speed and being able to make the device my own i go for android. I still have no idea why I would go for wp7? Maybe i'll have to see how it actually does when it comes out, but so far windows mobile as a whole has been a disaster imo and I don't think i'll ever switch back.
[Nexus One General] li_boud:
You assume too much. WP7 isnt out yet. what makes you so sure that it is not gonna have broken features? As far as I know (and read) it is indeed going to miss some really needed feature at the time of launch, with a promise that these missing features will be available in some future update.

Am I switching from android? Not unless WP7 proves itself..
[Nexus One General] ap3604:
Thanks GrainySand for letting us know! :)

Easy troll to spot like you said since he called CyanogenMod "crap" and "designed by 5 year olds" --- statements that an actual 5 year old could easily see through as someone looking for an argument to get people mad.

Hopefully the Mod's do an IP ban...
[Nexus One General] ChongoDroid:
What is better from wp7 any exclusive features? If your android doesn't look good then you aren't doing it right... In which case you should sell it and buy the first windows phone you see and never come back to the android section... We'll be fine without you.
[Nexus One General] XSafire:
WP7 will flop. No apps. Not open source, no customization rather than things like wallpaper. No copy paste. It's kind of ridiculous how inferior it is to android. Microsoft is late to the game, and to get people to change from their polished os's with tons of user feedback, they need to be extremely innovative. They haven't. WP7 is missing core features that have been standard for years. I prefer not to be microsoft's guinea pig. By the time WP7 is polished, ice cream will be out with godsend of tablets. I'll stick to the manufacturer who cares about the users, and not about the numbers.
[Nexus One General] Mokurex:
The only thing I would disagree is that, to me, android is far from polished. Far from it.
[Nexus One General] tameracingdriver:
But then you cant really call an OS with no copy and paste polished either, TBH. I agree Android certainly aint polished, nowhere near as much as the iphone, but then its a hell of a lot more customisable than the iphone too.

Other than that, it looks nice. However, its likely to have few apps at first, and again, that will put a lot of people off.

Impossible to say if it'll flop though, unless you can see into the future ;)
[Nexus One General] ChongoDroid:
I dont think it'll flop it just won't go as far as android. Android is so new, we expect a lot from such an infantile os, and so far android has blown my mind as far as phones go. I don't feel threatened at all by windows in fact I hope we see them do well so we get themes/ apps and ideas from them. And lol @ the obvious troll...
[Nexus One General] x986123:
How am I a troll for starting this? And no I am not that guy on Engadget, I just wanted to see your guys opinions and how we can push Android further along. Calm down. You guys are a bunch of jerks.

Please remove this thread/Lock it, as no one is actually talking about fixing issues or why they would be switching.
[Nexus One General] brashmadcap:
Check your hypocrisy at the door.
[Nexus One General] ChongoDroid:
How is switching to windows helping android move forward? And what exactly are these bugs? Specify because xda will help...
[Nexus One General] greengoldmello:
If i do switch, it will be mainly because of the zune functionality. I cannot stand the default android media player, as it doesnt hold a candle to some of what u can do with the iphone. Smart playlists through play tracking, ui, pc sync capability, also volume...
[Nexus One General] ChongoDroid:
You should check out the keynote... They show a media player from 2.3 and its similar to the 3d gallery
[Nexus One General] x986123:
Not by switching, but maybe trying and figuring out what we can add to Android, competition is a great thing.
[Nexus One General] hey liberty:
A cry for attention thread covered up by trying to reason that you want to talk about improving Android. You know, by moving to WP7.
[Nexus One General] x986123:
Don't be a ****.

Thread was a simple question, not a bunch of bored kids trying to prove that Android is the best thing ever.

Both have their great features, and i was wondering who was switching. So Shut up and post something meaningful.
[Nexus One General] ChongoDroid:
I asked you what you meant by bugs... like what is wrong with android... seriously? The gui isn't as polished which is the target of the next update so again... what's wrong with it? I am personally overjoyed that windows phone 7 is coming but I wouldn't consider switching in a million years.
[Nexus One General] x986123:
Like, stock Android is missing Facebook + Twitter integration with the phone app, but sense has it.

The animations are laggy and rough, bad GUI unless your running Sense.

App designers have no taste, poorly made apps and bad GUI.

And yes, most of my issues are GUI based, which Sense somewhat solves, but also helps keep everything streamlined and integrated. All the apps have a matching pretty GUI.

Then we could use a better camera app on stock (again, sense solves...)

But Sense isn't updated as fast, so this is where my issues start again.
[Nexus One General] ChongoDroid:
Yeah eh? Well I can't really talk to you about stock android I've only had it on my phone for about 25 minutes. Sense has their own app (friendstream) facebook is still a 3rd party app on the market same as twitter. I'm not sure who develops the facebook app but whoever needs to incorporate a chat function and ill be happy. As far unified gui for all apps.. I don't care. I don't use poorly designed apps and to be honest the only thing missing is a tv guide app for canada lol... other then that optimus prime ain't got **** on me

My setup is :

-Shadowrom 2.1

-Uninstall bloatware I can't stress that enough

-Move big apps to sdcard

-Launcherproplus installed and all settings and shortcuts created.

-Rom manager fix permissions

-Cache cleaner once a day

-And no TKs unless rogue apps pop up.
[Nexus One General] grainysand:
Sounds like little boy can't take the heat. You don't have much room to whine about people being "a bunch of jerks" when you've been spewing nothing but troll rhetoric, baseless insults, and generally... acting like a dickwad. Google up "hypocrisy," you tantrum-throwing worthless little baby.
[Nexus One General] ChongoDroid:
BLAM! put em on blast lol
[Nexus One General] x986123:
Only little kids start fights on the internet.
[Nexus One General] newjaruz:
Although I do find the new platform interesting, I doubt I would be sufficed if I did switch at this time and I think the metro UI with limited skinning will bore me overtime. Ill see what it looks like once guys on this sight mess around with it for a while.
[Nexus One General] ericc191:
For anyone not aware, Google Voice is already in WP7's marketplace. It's called GoVoice.
[Nexus One General] NexusDro:
As an average consumer, I would wait for other people's feedback before jumping ship right away :) So far WP7 doesn't look good enough, IMO.
[Nexus One General] sl8125:
I wanted the HTC sourround but going to wait for a bell HTC desire z so that I can use it on att. Windows looks nice but it will take time to develope. Maybe swmetime next year. Not now. Currently its all about android.
[Nexus One General] shoemeistah:
Do you people even remember how young android is? It's growing insanely fast imo... No hate to WP7, I actually loved the preview/review videos of the device. But I feel there's still so much missing that I would have on an android or iOS. I haven't read about why they left out the copy and paste option, but there should be no excuse if they want to present/compete with a great phone... I can't say it's worse or better, they've proven nothing much yet. At the end every OS has it's benefits, so it always stays a personal preference to which phone fits your lifestyle. Would I personally go back to a windows phone? My answer is no, I love opensource and the improvements they take from us and put that on new phones. Of course there will be bugs with stuff that's new on android, but it's better to have that capability of development then not to have.

It's like iPhone that has no Flash support, those people who only owned an iPhone don't know what there missing out. Explore the great possibilities of your android and you can personalise it to your needs, that's a big benefit for me. Speech done.
[Nexus One General] mrbkkt1:
I used windows mobile from 3.0 through 6.1. Personally I don't miss having to soft reset my device 12 times a day, or having my device freeze when I get an incomming call. I'm happy w/ the n1.
[Nexus One General] x986123:
You guys shouldn't get me wrong, I love Android... Thats why I own a Nexus One. ;)
[Nexus One General] grainysand:
Are you admitting you're a little kid?
[Nexus One General] DarkDvr:
LOL hahaha WAHAHAHA ROFL hahaha.

Oh, I'm sorry, was that a real question? You can't be serious.
[Nexus One General] ericc191:
Really... I mean really?
[Nexus One General] hey liberty:
That was meaningful. It was my observation on this thread. I believe you are just trolling, especially since one reply from a new user warranted such a hostile response.
[Nexus One General] x986123:
You guys should really Eff off. I didn't start this to "troll".

I am actually disliking WP7 now, based on the reviews I've seen.

Mods, please close this thread now.
[Nexus One General] li_boud:
I dont think that you were "trolling". But asking who is switching to a platform which has yet to prove itself is kind of.. ummm.. stupid?
[Nexus One General] nexusdue:
I know quite a few people whose contract is up for renewal shortly and who will ask me to pick their next smartphone.

Unless android's next update fixes the majority of the issues I have with the OS, I will probably push them towards WP7 or iOS. And since I really dislike the iTunes integration with iOS, I will take a long and hard look at WP7, since that looks to be the most promising OS at the moment.
[Nexus One General] NexusDro:
Shouldn't you take a long and hard look at WP7 first before pushing you push our friends towards WP7? Even if the next Android update doesn't fix all the issues you have, how do you know WP7 is gonna be better.
[Nexus One General] x986123:
I agree with you... We should really try using it before suggesting. I saw Engadget's review and so far it's not a worth competitor to Android. (Besides UI, but thats my opinion)
[Nexus One General] RellikZephyr:
I don't understand why people like the wp7 ui so much, I find it so boring, only one step up from the symbian3 ui maybe 2 up from the iPhone ui

Rellikzephyr
[Nexus One General] x986123:
Because it's smooth and animations are nice. If Android had those, it would be so cool. I'm not talking about the Tiles though.
[Nexus One General] player911:
My thought logic

I don't think Windows Phone 7 is going to be the grand daddy Windows phone that everyone believes. Now I may be completely off base here but I've been with Android for a few months now, so maybe anyone really considering WP7 should at least consider my thinking process.

Microsoft said existing apps won't be compatible with the new OS (might have changed). Also the majority of the existing Windows followers are mostly business folk for its great exchange compatibility.

Why would MS do that? Why would MS create its new OS to be geared toward "teenagers" aka "iPhone" crowd. Wouldn't they be shooting themselves in the foot seeing how Windows Mobile has the largest library of apps (just not a good market yet).

Seems odd.

What I have heard and and believe, because it makes sense, is that Windows Phone 7 is going to be one version of it. The lesser version. I think the big daddy might be more similar to the continuation of like a current WP 6.5 variety where there is a file manager, apps, start menu, office, etc.

Again maybe I'm wrong but something doesn't sit right with WP7
[Nexus One General] li_boud:
From my perspective, stability and a good app base is far more important than smooth animations and pretty UI.

From my experience with windows phones, stability is yet to be seen. I'm not really positive that win phone 7 is gonna be an android/iPhone killer. (Unless of course it is based on secret Linux Kernel ;))

And if I want smooth animations and pretty UI, I would go for iPhone instead of going back to win platform.
[Nexus One General] mjm128:
I don't know I really don't like the UI even less so than the iPhone. I asked a few of my iphone friends and all of them thought it was overly simplistic and dull. Sure it's anecdotal evidence, and a small sample (5 college friends) but I've yet to have met someone that thought the UI was better or even on par with android, let alone the iphone.
[Nexus One General] nexusdue:
Well, so far it seems to kick androids butt.

There are annoyances (no copy&paste? really? they couldn't copy that from iOS?) but at least it doesn't seem to be promising the sky and delivering hell (like android).

I rather have 10 features that work than 100 that don't
[Nexus One General] Okawa:
Personally I find the new WP7 UI just hiddius and navigation just looks like a pain. Load times are way to long for games and apps.

I will stick with Android tell WP7 is out for a year or two see how things go.
[Nexus One General] li_boud:
It may seem, but in reality it has yet to come out and prove itself..

But since you are hell bent on switching to wp7, well good luck...
[Nexus One General] RellikZephyr:
So to bump this thread, I ask, has anyone played with wp7 much?

I have 2 workmates with wp7, both mozart's actually, I've played a bit

And I must say, I am rather unimpressed. It is nice an smooth on menu animations etc but pretty laggy on most other stuff. And missing features omg! After quick play couldn't even figure how to set a custom mp3 as a ringtone

In fact both of them don't really like the phone, and after seeing my nexus, say they wished they bought an android

Rellikzephyr
[Nexus One General] harsaphes:
I returned my HD7 after two weeks.

Pretty UI, but......

No LED notifications for email or sms

Too many animations for my taste.

Battery life was terrible.

Because of battery life, using any media functions was out of the question if I wanted to use the phone all day long for calling, sms, email.

All "main" home screen tiles are the same color. Which IMO negates looking quickly at your phone and making a selection.

Im back to my N1 and HD2/android until the NS comes out.