yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Windows Phone 7 General] bevoc:
its about time for that change

being a wm user since 2003, i cant help but feel a bit cheated that the answer microsoft is giving us is less than that of what we have hoped for... no more "actual" multitasking, no more full customizability and the per device certificate is surely gonna hinder cooked roms... if they can ever be cooked... but progress is inevitable and i guess if progress means we have to take a few step backwards to get forward, then i'm game for it.. i just hope that hardware and manufacturing side of this whole shabang will leave us with much more affordable and powerful devices. i believe i'm speaking on the behalf of most users here that money will always be an obstacle, that's why roms were cooked, that's why apps and hacks were made so that we don't have to cough up cash every time something good comes along... that was the reason, i believe, why xda-dev was here in the first place... so that we can improve our devices.... i just hope microsoft learns that the community that backs their mobile os for almost a decade does not need the b.s that apple is doing with its iphone series... i don't need to buy a device to define my lifestyle... i just hope the new platform will not kill hobbyist, enthusiasts, developers and such from further defining the os as we THE ACTUAL USERS see fit. i also believe that we dont need the "marketplace-99cent-per-app" mentality where devs will come up with half-assed apps and expect people to go and pay for it. i am seriously fine with the donation system we have here. (although i have to admit that i have been a bad bad boy and have been leeching from this forum since i stumbled upon it) im just a poor-cheapskate bastard..

well thats my 2cents... off to manual labour if im ever gonna afford to buy wp7 devices...
[Windows Phone 7 General] eknutson:
I have several devices from desktop to laptop to notebook to iPad to smart phone - I'm in no rush for the current offering. I'll pick up one of AT&T's phones out of the gate to play w/ WP7 anyway, just 'cause I want to do so. I'm pretty much looking at the Focus or the Surround. Can't decide if I need a bigger / better screen or more storage (both of which the iPad has already ;) ).

I expect that sometime late next year I'll see something more along the lines HW wise that I really want. Bigger memory, faster / more cores on the processor, bigger screen, bigger battery... seems these devices are lacking in all of my big departments.

I use my iPad more in my personal and professional life than I do any of the other devices - seems that wont change in November ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] jcamposlisgolfe:
HTC/WM 6.5/WM7/Android

I bought at FNAC Lisbon in February last a HD2 for main use in Portugal. Since that date the device always "places" me in Casablanca-Moroco, with one hour less. In spite of hundreds of times I have phoned the Customer assistance (based in Cairo with very nice Brasilian operators= Globalization!) and the inumerous writen messages to HTC-Europe, the problem still exists and they say it happens to ALL the Portuguese customers owners of HD2 in Portugal. I'm indeed surprised (after having Sony-Ericssons for many years with an excelent service) that HTC are not given any solution after 8(eight) months!!! I do love the HD2 for it's other performances, except for the time related ones, obviousely. They have launched yesterday a new ROM, which I'm installing at the moment, so I (and also the Customer Service!!!) dont know if the time problem is solved or not.(I'm curious to know were the HD2 will place me afterwords!!!

All this to say that after this solved I will get rid of the HD2 as soon as possible.

Jumping for another device, why not Android ?? I am not anymore very young but like "young" things (technicaly speaking, of course!), and WM "smells" old!

I also never liked Apple and Android seems full of energy and possibilities and they need to conquer his place in the very competitive market of PDA's.

I also like Google and they look to be very active in everything they play.

Sorry for the long post.

Will appreciate your comments, please.:rolleyes:
[Windows Phone 7 General] pippen3333:
agreed!

I love Android 2.2 very much after run it on HD2.
[Windows Phone 7 General] esmiling:
I know i want a phone with the WP7 OS and i would have probably bought the HD7 if if came with an AMOLED screen but it doesnt and the Dell Venue Pro's slider and bulkyness doesnt do it for me so imma wait a bit until T-mobile puts out a HTC HD based phone with an Amoled or better screen. other than that i really cant wait...kinda wished it was compatible with the hd2 but oh well
[Windows Phone 7 General] corollatercel:
Big +1 on this. Much like android and the apple OS was when they were first released, windows phone 7 will need to go through its own technological hazing process to iron out bugs that can only be experienced in real world applications.

Casey you're right, I also have an HD2 running winmo 6.5 and android 2.2 and In my opinion the HD2 was the last "super phone" that tmobile released. I'm still waiting for the next true flagship phone and although i'm eligible for an upgrade right now i'm going to wait for the new year to roll around when those rumored dual core mobile processor phones with nvidia tegra graphics will be released. By that time Gingerbread will be released and windows phone 7 hopefully will have went through the motions already.

From now on i'm not even budging from my hd2 unless a phone has at minimum:

- 4.3" capacitive multi-touch touchscreen

- 1 Ghz or more processor(Less if it's dual core)

- 768 MB of RAM

- 8 GB built in Memory with expansion

- Front facing camera/camera with camcorder that can shoot 1080p video

Windows phone 7 does look fairly promising though.
[Windows Phone 7 General] juggs:
If money were no object, sure. I'd buy every new gadget that hit the market...
[Windows Phone 7 General] z3ntn3l:
I think this is not a good poll.

1.) Like others posted before: "If money is no object..." I would buy every Gadget.

2.) Why the XDA-Staff never did a poll like this about Android?
[Windows Phone 7 General] cesium:
I really really like the OS, but I'm disappointed with the hardware. As far as I can tell, everything uses the old 65nm Snapdragon with the terrrible Adreno 200. I refuse to buy a WP7 device until something comes along with either Hummingbird, the TI OMAPs in the Droid 2/X, or the new Snapdragon.
[Windows Phone 7 General] devis:
This is a step back for Microsoft. I'm sticking with my Rhodium. At least for a while.
[Windows Phone 7 General] fotoingo:
Same for me !

(But change EVO to Milestone for me)
[Windows Phone 7 General] mjm128:
Window phone 7 still has too much catching up to do.....and well I've been screwed by Microsoft too much. So i'll be giving my support to google for now. For me its:

Android > iOS > Balckberry=WP7
[Windows Phone 7 General] Robot_Man:
My answer is YES, I'll get one ASAP.

Either Mozart or Samsung omnia 7, depends on reviews and price.
[Windows Phone 7 General] spvc500:
seeing the best device that is out is the HD7 - almost identical to the HD2 and not worth paying £500 or more to get wp7 - as soon as wp7 comes out for HD2 the better... preferring android hd htc roms at the moment.

Now if the HD7 had 8 megapixel camera instead and was thinner not bigger than the HD2 then it may be worth getting it.

No other phone compares to the HD2 if you have it already.
[Windows Phone 7 General] cbeck:
If a Windows phone 7 comes with spb mobile shell 5 on it, then I will probably give it a hard look. Otherwise, I will end up switching to android.
[Windows Phone 7 General] CPR123:
As an HD2 user, I will definitely get a WP7 device. My only problem is deciding between HD7 or Dell Venue Pro.
[Windows Phone 7 General] carbunaru:
Not at this moment. Maybe in 6-10 month when app market, os an hardware will be mature enough.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jackhuny:
Does not like WP7 UI style and they core idea of putting anything in hub and display it at same screen in same time.
[Windows Phone 7 General] The J-Man:
I will definitely end up with a WP7 device in my pocket. It MIGHT be the Samsung Focus, but probably not. As far as launch devices go, it's pretty obvious that hardware manufacturers are waiting to see if this market is worth it before they do a hard push of high end devices. I really hope that the push is strong enough to get some serious hardware support.

I'd like to see something with a 4" screen (at least) and an 8MP camera.

I voted yes despite all this, because I really do like the direction Microsoft is going with this software.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Knobster:
this is a totally closed os, basically just replaced the varmint eaten fruit with a windows logo. so that's a no for me
[Windows Phone 7 General] jonny68:
ditto

I've heard Windows 7 phones don't have any capabilities for SD cards which is a big no no as well, doesn;t look half as good as Android either
[Windows Phone 7 General] devil_xx:
u cant run wm7 on hd2 unless u do internal hardware modificantions inside!!!
[Windows Phone 7 General] Phaedrus Nine:
Like a few have said previously. Once my HD2 dies or time for an upgrade I might consider WP7, depending on the handsets. For now though, I don't care about WP7. I'm extremely happy with my HD2 (Android, WM 6.5.X).

WP7 hasn't impressed me so far, they've tried to make it simpler, which is fine for average consumers. However, for most here at XDA, we aren't average users and expect more from our devices. Time will tell, I'm sure the clever folk here can do wonders with the seemingly strict new OS.

For now though, it's the HD2 all the way.
[Windows Phone 7 General] squirrel:
I've a HD2 running Winmo 6.5.5 for professionnal use and froyo 2.2 just for fun.

Waiting for a portage of WP7 on my beloved device...After its death it will be another story...
[Windows Phone 7 General] dayznfuz:
Some recent news on this. Seems like some phones will have a replaceable internal SD Card that can be upgraded, but you have to do a hard reset/reformat of the entire OS. So... for people on this board it's probably not a huge deal since we're all use to flashing new ROMs anyway. Here's the link http://www.1800pocketpc.com/2010/10/13/storage-card-supported-on-selected-wp7-handsets.html

edited to add another source from Paul Thurott's site http://windowsphonesecrets.com/2010/10/12/windows-phone-7-and-removable-storage/

For me, WP7 is intriguing -- I'm particularly looking at the 7pro as a possible replacement for my TP2. I personally don't think they will be as closed as Apple. Sure they'll SAY it's closed, but I'll bet that once the phone is rooted, it stays rooted despite OS upgrades.

What I'm waiting to see is how well it syncs up with the cloud and my home pc via Live Mesh/Sync. I also what to see what kind of tether solutions become available. Those two will make it or break it for me.

Copy and paste and multitasking don't really concern me. C&P is coming early next year, but I never use that now anyway. I don't even use multitasking now much since I generally force close all my winmo apps as I use them to save on the CPU/Memory.
[Windows Phone 7 General] CrazyPeter:
A phone that's not even capable of copy and paste? Thanks but no thanks. My Android is from 2010, why would I want a WinMo7 phone with features (or lack of) from 2006?
[Windows Phone 7 General] mjordan79:
Sorry, double post.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mjordan79:
I won't buy any Windows Phone 7 devices for the following reasons:

1) I find it to be a downgrade compared to some actual systems. Despite facebook and general social network integrations, the OS itself seems to lack many interesting and modern features. That said, I still prefer Windows Mobile 6.5 with a Facebook application than WIndows Phone 7 with an integrated facebook and a bunch of features.

2) I don't like the UI. While I'm not the kind of person who choose a system only for its GUI, I really dislike the WP7 UI. Sure, it's fast. But considering it's a bunch of 2D squares with 3 colors, do you expect it to be slow? Of course it's fast. Eh!

3) The "Hub" concept doesn't seem to have this versatility and functionality they advertise. Apart the commercial naming, functionally speaking they don't add anything new to the functionality panorama. Call it "hubs", call it "menus", call it "folders", call it whatever you want: an hub is just a way to choose a section of your phone. What's new? Nothing.

4) Too poor differentation between devices. Many manufacturers, but basically they're all the same phone. Why I should choose an HD7 instead a Omnia 7? Aesthetic and screen dimension. That's it. It's not enough to make me choose a phone, frankly. They all have the same CPU, the same camera, the same amount of internal storage... What it's worse, they're basically phones with the same specs of the previous generation.

5) It doesn't have an established developer community. I don't know how much applications there will be. What is sure, Symbian, WM, Android or whatever is already on the market has more applications than WP7.

6) "Cut & Paste" in 2011. No dudes. When I buy a new phone, you want my money the exact moment I buy it. Why should I buy an unfinished product with a promise for the future? Finish it first, then sell it.

7) The flagship WP7 device actually is the HTC HD7 which is basically a revised HD2. I own an HD2 already, no need to pay an old phone with a new price just for an OS upgrade. Learn to support and upgrade shipped products instead of pushing marketing to the extreme. I'm not an idiot so don't think I will buy every product you sell with the "new" sticker on top of it.

8) No SD cards. 8GB devices. I need much more space than that. On my HD2 I own a 32GB MicroSD card. Why should I downgrade it?

I think we are all different from iPhone customers, if we are here to discuss this. So there is no need to carry in the same amount of limitations iPhone has. I would have buyed an iPhone, otherwise.

Enough for me.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
^ Damn I like that post.

To be fair

5.They have large developer community.
[Windows Phone 7 General] janemanno1:
Get me OFFLINE Outlook Sync without the cloud and I am in.
[Windows Phone 7 General] DominionZA:
HD2 is the sh!t. Will wait for one of the clever chefs here to cook us up a Win7 ROM then try out. Don't see how it will replace FroYo 2.2 though (and 3 in Jan/Feb).
[Windows Phone 7 General] Samsunguy:
i decided im not gonna buy one cause ill just wait for it to come out for the htc hd2.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Eoinoc:
For me, I suspect I'll buy the first non-Apple phone with a 960x640 resolution. I don't think I mind too much at this stage if it's Android or WP7
[Windows Phone 7 General] enyaj:
If money is not an issue, why not? I'd defenitely get the HD7. I'm also currently using HD2 with Dutty ROMs and is so close to perfection. We don't know if somebody can make WP7 OS run on our HD2 but it very may well become a reality. I'm not really sure what the fuzz is about Android. Been using lot of Android for HD2 builds and they work fine but for me nothing really great. Maybe its because I'm a windows and HTC kind f guy. :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] enahs_:
Am I the only one who just wants the new hardware and wants to keep 6.5 and CookiesHomeTab modified version of Sense?
[Windows Phone 7 General] swamarama:
As a HD2 owner, I likely will not buy a WP7 phone. Like many of us, I also run WM6.5 and Android 2.2, and will wait for WP7 implementation on HD2. But this is besides the point.

The point is that I am having much fun switching back and forth between to OS's, but then again, I'm having trouble deciding which one to use as the primary source of smartphone activities.

How do you manage this? When WP7 becomes available for HD2, it'll be fun and hectic at same time.

It's like I'm complaining for having too many girl friends.... :-o
[Windows Phone 7 General] mjordan79:
You're not alone.

I personally don't understand all the buzz about Android.
[Windows Phone 7 General] thihaz:
one thing lacking in hd2

i wish there was a front camera in hd2 and run android as a native os :P
[Windows Phone 7 General] Cursor_:
Windows Phone 7 Seems cool but ...

I've said this before on other forums. I will say it on this one as well. I am really NOT loving that WP7 home screen. I'm quite happy with my 3D Win Mobile 6.5 icons as apposed to those 2 color 2D live tiles. I will say that the rest of the functionality the WP7 looks very cool. The Zune operarions seem very nice too. If it was offered for free on the HD2 I may even consider it but I am certainly not going out of my way to adopt early on.
[Windows Phone 7 General] AS78:
WM7 Phone

The ONLY reason I would upgrade to a new WM7 device is if Xbox live on WM7 turned out to be rather special..and my HD2 running WM7 does not cut it in the GPU department (unlikely with the present offerings of new devices running WM7 as HD2 is on level)

Otherwise - I will keep my HD2 untill probably my GF pulls it from my cold dead hand.

Why on earth would you want any other phone.. Why?

Vote = unsure (unsure for legitimate WM7 device)
[Windows Phone 7 General] kdj67f:
I would vote for this too.

The only thing I am really excited for is the hardware. I would keep my tilt2 forever if it would have come with 512Mb of ram and a 1Ghz processor. I will get a WP7 device to play with for sure, hopefully it will grow on me.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Chaebi69:
It did say "money not being a problem". So, why wouldn't I? The only thing that is keeping me from buying a new phone is "money being a problem" anyway.

With that being said, I'll stick to realism with money being a problem. I'd wait and watch like most of the people mentioned. XDA-Developers has not let any of us down when it comes to mobile development and I'm sure the WM7 will find its true worth soon enough. I love and will not betray my HD2 (yet, jk).
[Windows Phone 7 General] cool592:
Maybe in a Year or so

I have a touch pro2 right now and i dont plan on getting rid of it anytime soon...the hardware on any of the new W7 phones just isnt appealing enough for me to buy one (8gb, c'mon) plus i havent seen one with a front facing camera... not that i would use it or anything but i gotta be able to at least compete with iphone or evo...so i think i may reconsider in about a year or so when the hardware will start to catch up with the competition and some great apps can be developed.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sumedh_vsk:
i guess so..:D:D why wont you give the new OS a try...?
[Windows Phone 7 General] arikyeo:
I'll be waiting for WP7 on HD2, so I'm not buying.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dre89:
As much as I really like the Pro7 the lack of being able to swap out a sdcard could be a real deal breaker for me, more so since I really love android and was kinda hoping to be able to use both through porting. I voted maybe cause I like the look but I'll have to take a real look come upgarde time.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Iceman_Pol:
WP7 and ActiveSync/Mobile Device Center

I'm going to hold back as I sync my phone with the office Exchange server and my PC at home.

From what I remember I would need a MS hotmail/live email account and copy all my emails to it to be able to use all the features as syncing my contacts and notes at home.

MICROSOFT why did you remove such a useful feature!

I might get it if someone here manages to replace the 'active-sync' feature with something more like what we have on good and old WM6.5.

One other thing HD7 and HD2 has anyone else noticed the specs are very similar! what ever happened to all that speculation ...1.5Ghz processor.
[Windows Phone 7 General] arikyeo:
Yeah, WinMo 6.5 was a legacy. That's why HTC wanted to celebrate(mourn would be a better word...) the funeral of Windows Mobile/CE by creating the HD2.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kangal:
My preffered OS in order:

1) MeeGo

"I still have hope a full-linux with Qt and fresh UI highly tweeked for mobile devices, but some dreams can become nightmares"

2) Android

"with Froyo + MIUI + Flash10.1 + emulators + Market on hardware as sexy as the HD2/Milestone2/EPIC4G who could go wrong??"

3) iOS

"I am not a fanboy of anything, but damn Apple makes good products"

4) WP7

"well I love the fact MS is really dedicated in this attempt and I'm happy with the games so far. But I really don't like the UI which lacks customization contrary to what Steve Balmer says. And as far as I know, the extra's we've all taken for granted on Android will probably not come for a long time"

5) WebOS

"it is a jungle-of-stuff OS, but better than the average one"

6) Windows Mobile 6

"I've owned it, used it for many years, and yes it could do with polished candy"

7) Symbian

"Even the latest version fails on several (many?) fronts that this is a real-easy last"

How many people agree to this?

What is your heirachy-list of preferred mobile OS'es?
[Windows Phone 7 General] enyaj:
I guess HTC and MS is losing money because of the HD2:) They made such a monster phone with the HD2 that it can compete with every new device(any OS) that is being produced. And the HD2 is already 1 year old! Why oh why didn't they upgrade the hardware???
[Windows Phone 7 General] arikyeo:
Because they need time to test them! This is not Samsuck. Look at their Jet(ty), 800mHz oced processor, but always crash. They treat their consumers like beta-testers, and the price of their phone as a sign-up fee.
[Windows Phone 7 General] arikyeo:
Anyway, I think HTC was smart to release all WP7 phones with similar specs to HD2. They're indirectly letting devs develop WP7 for the HD2, effectively increasing its value, and making Microsuck suffer.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Looks I wll be forced to wait for a looooooooong time.

Besides it's not launched in Poland,

and besides it's main well known disadvantages,

looks like also email has limitations

like you can't attach a video or .doc to email message.

Brrrrrrr.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Nakazul:
I will get the HD7 or if i can Dell Venue as soon as i possible can. I think WP7 is great and will be greater. My HD2 i will never sell though, love it too much. I have dual carrers so i will have the HD2 as my second driver.
[Windows Phone 7 General] telas:
If you check the keynote, at the end the dude said that wp7 has a built in update mechanism that will allow to make updates on the OS, later in 2011 they will be releasing copy and paste for the wp7 devices as one of the updates because of the feedback they had from testers, also he justifies the lack of copy and paste he said that they tried to make the phone not to need this function but who lives without copy and paste?

As for the sd card support some manufactures will have it.

I personaly believe in a wp7 official upgrade for hd2 because they will loose a lot of customers both MS and HTC, thousands of really really ANGRY people will either switch to iOS or Android.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Iceman_Pol:
SD cards and WP7

The SD card supported by Samsung Focus you'll have the option of adjusting your capacity based on your needs...meaning, if you plan on storing lots of movies on your phone, you can add a 32GB card and you'll have a 40GB Samsung Focus. Just one drawback, if you buy an 8GB card initially (8GB SD + 8GB internal =16GB device) and want to upgrade to a 32GB card its like performing a hard reset. You would need to reinstall everything.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nemesisNL:
I'll be switching to android. I do not like it when my options are restricted like with Apple and Microsoft. If I pay for a phone I'm the one that decides what to do and not to do with it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] BigJayDogg3:
Why the rolling of eyes? Nothing I've said was farfetched. The only thing that would be new is the large screen that has a keyboard underneath. The iPhone has been using 32 gigs for a couple years now, and its a shame that nothing is able to compete with it thus far.

Sure I can get a micro SD card, but why not give me a model that has the storage built in?

Sent from my Samsung Captivate.
[Windows Phone 7 General] eroszamp:
I have not seen Windows 7 for phones but still thinking that it is far better than Symbian.