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[HD2 General] JoonatanO:
Thanks for bringing me back to Earth, I just saw a WP7 video and actually got hyped...

No sarcasm, thanks man.

EDIT: I just noticed the problem, the average consumer doesn't care about most of those things (eg. third-party apps, multi-tasking), they just want a phone that seems "fast" and looks flashy.
[HD2 General] nipuna:
Key features:

•Premium mobile OS (high minimum hardware requirements)

•Clean, uncluttered interface with distinctive design language

•Easy and thumbable user interface

•Smooth operation with cool animations and transition effects

•A fresh start with no legacy support needed

•Backed up and developed by one of the largest software companies in the world

•Excellent MS Office mobile implementation

•Top-notch social integration

•Excellent cloud services integration (SkyDrive, Windows Live, Xbox Live)

•Wireless syncing of multimedia content

Seriously how many times would you have used those features that are missing..??

also what about all the crappy things about 6.5 -- like lack of apps, crappy touch performance, sheer ugliness....

I'm sorry your arguments may hold valid against Android... but not windows phone Crapic, ie 6.5.X
[HD2 General] conantroutman:
When / if wp7 devices can dual boot 6.5.... I will cream my pants.....

Until then I'm not 100% on wp7

Sent From Your Bathroom Using Your Dirty Socks
[HD2 General] compact_bijou:
Hi Noob, welcome and thanks for sharing a few of the finer points of all your accumulated wisdom :D

There are plenty of useful free applications for WM 6.5, the touch performance on the HD2 is great and most users don't see windows under the bonnet of Sense.

Meanwhile, look at the hardware specs of the latest WP7 devices :eek:

LUCKILY Microsoft are already promising updates to its unfinished FUGLY OS.

..... sometime Q1 2011 !!

It's almost like Microsoft wasn't watching Apple lurch drunkenly into the market !

Apple has the lemming market to buy into their lamer phones Microsoft doesn't.

Someone at Microsoft has pulled the trigger before taking the gun out of their collective holster, neatly shooting themselves in the foot.
[HD2 General] donwhann:
not my cup of tea at all im afraid. looks like i'll defo be jumping over to android in a years time. untill then im more that happy with my totally customizable hd2.......
[HD2 General] conantroutman:
ive been running android for about 2 weeks and its getting old very quickly.......

might just sell my upgrade and buy a spare hd2...... then spend the rest on pies lol......
[HD2 General] compact_bijou:
Android is a very young OS and, like all babies, Android will grow quicker than you realise and will take a lot of looking after.

WP7 is only now having a difficult birth after an overly long and pointlessly complicated gestation.
[HD2 General] conantroutman:
:D I like that analogy....

works for me because I hate kids lol......

personally I think id rather be around for the birth of a newborn than adopt a toddler...... if you see what I mean :D

you are right about android though I guess.....
[HD2 General] compact_bijou:
Android at 2.2 is, effectively, still in beta.

To elaborate on the baby analogy, WP7 is like taking a baby home from the hospital today, taking it back in January

to have the arms fitted, in March to have the legs fitted and then (probably) going back every first Tuesday in the

month to have it patched ffs ! - just like most other Windows software :D

When device hardware is 1.5 Ghz - dual core - and 32/64GB internal / 64/128 GB external is standard, then I'll call upgrade.

Everything else on the new devices is pretty much already here on the HD2.
[HD2 General] maw:
WP7 sucks big time!!!

Another thing you all didn't mention, no synchronization with Outlook with your contacts and your agenda! Yes, it has Office Mobile, but no synchronization with Outlook on your desktop PC! WTF?! This is a MAJOR drawback, especially for the business market.

No people, this is like going back to the stone age. Sorry Microsoft, you spoiled a good thing, instead of evolving you into something better, you made a Neanderthal OS system compared to your Homo Sapien WM 6.5.

I hope for HTC that they let Microsoft foot the bill for putting so much restrictions on their hardware in order to use their OS. Like, what is a phone without expandable memory??!

I will be keeping my HD2 for the time-being and I know you guys here on XDA will keep the ROM's coming for it. And besides, I NEED my navigation! Can't do without it, and as long as no third-party apps are available for WP7, I won't be switching!

I agree with the part that Microsoft shooting themselves in the foot with this OS, it's doomed from the beginning. iPhone and Android have evolved much further and nobody is looking for a restricted copy of any of these, that's what was nice with WM, totally customizable and flexible the way WE wanted it.

One bit of advice to Microsoft: Stick to PC's and leave the Phone OS market behind.
[HD2 General] wergor:
ok, the "main disadvantages" list has 14 entries.

10 of those (1,4,5,6,7,8,10,12,13,14) would directly affect my daily life, would i exchange my hd2 for a hd7. i think most people would agree if i said that for me, wp7 SUCKS A**. :D (first time ever to use bold letters)
[HD2 General] Kampfsemmel:
word (+ some more characters so i'm allowed to post this reply)
[HD2 General] anhyeuemmaimai:
They gotta fix these

* No Bluetooth file transfers<- again basic 6.X feature

* No USB mass storage mode<- yeah this is a bummer

* No memory card support <-proabably due to the unified memory space presented to the user

* No multitasking <- I think they are going to reverse this decision

* No copy/paste <-this should have been in there from the start as there is no excuse that MS can come up with as to why this most basic of windows features is missing

MS may be leaving this up to individual carriers to add

* No internet tethering support

hopefully someone will add this

* No music player equalisers

not sure I care for this slowing down my phone, but again they can fix this with an update once they streamline it (silverlight) and Adobe is gonna have to do the flash thing and we all know how slow those guys are

* No Flash or Silverlight support in the web browser

MS will fix this especially now that Bing is getting popular

* No sign of free Bing maps Navigation so far

We are going to have to wait until someone supplies a codec and then this problem will be resolved

* No DivX/XviD video support
[HD2 General] Dr.Sid:
Come on .. this is the same as with any OS. First version can do basically nothing. All these features without doubt will be there in two years. Except maybe not. I think WP7 will not live that long. I see totally no reason why would anyone want it, especially at this state. They don't even plan to offer anything different then iPhone or Android.

I even HOPE that WP7 will die in world in which Palm's WebOS has real troubles.

For me, I'm going for Desire HD or something like that. 4" screen Android without keyboard.
[HD2 General] DrATty:
Does the fact that there's no legacy support mean that I need to buy the £1,000 worth of applications I've acquired over the years again? I think that might account for some of the positive reviews.

I can't afford to move to Phone 7.
[HD2 General] Dr.Sid:
That would depend on developers. Some do provide applications for more platforms and you only need to pay once. But the, some other developers don't do that. And then again with some applications you will have to go to different developer to get the same functionality. So yeah, most of your money will be wasted, if not all.
[HD2 General] DrATty:
I thought as much. It's quite a bitter pill to swallow for someone who's been loyal over the years.

It's becoming a problem in other areas too. Microsoft isn't supporting some of its newer functionality in XP. I can't afford to move everything to 7 just yet (I jumped Vista.) The file format of several of my desktop applications has changed recently meaning an upgrade is needed to remain compatibility with colleagues. I don't know how Phone 7 works with Outlook yet but I can see £ signs already. Software has always had a finite life but it seems to me that this life is getting shorter. Actually, WM has lasted in its current form for far longer than most; that's been a problem for it for a while now.

What I've seen of Phone 7 so far suggests that it's an OS in the vein of iOS4. It works very well but doesn't encourage experimentation. I like WM because I've always been able to hack the OS into working how I want it too. Perhaps the average user doesn't add much in the way of 3rd-party applications; that's left to corporate users and they have the money. Big changes like this aren't very enthusiast-friendly.
[HD2 General] innovator8:
I totally agree with you, these functions I have become dependent upon and I will be sticking with 6.5 until I can no longer get a phone that supports it.

At that time, I will start carrying a couple of cans with string between them, have a very large wallet with all my pics, and a brief case with all of my documents, and a portable tv with all of my funny videos on it.

That WP7 looks no better than the Iphone with some fancy dynamic social network updates.

No Thanks!

Jeff

I have spoken...
[HD2 General] compact_bijou:
Not sure. Probably.

You will be able to do something with your Xbox from your phone and update what you've done to your Zune on FacePalm or something ?
[HD2 General] xaccers:
You know, if MS had just bought SPB and used MS5 as the interface (while leaving the option for OEMs/users to add their own) then they'd be on to a winner.

They could even keep on with the plan to release it on multiple OSs, imagine Microsoft Mobile Shell5 on Android, RIM, Symbian etc?

That'd be the way to get market share, not giving us a phone which has fewer functions than the iPhone, I mean come on!

I'm sticking with my Leo on 6.5, will be installing MS5 as soon as it's released to the general public, and when it finally dies and there are no more spare handsets on ebay, I'll probably jump ship and go to Android.
[HD2 General] mystik610:
At the end of the day, WM 6.5 is an aging OS....current hardware far surpasses the capability of WM 6.5, and developers have abandoned the platform long before Microsoft finally did. WM was long overdue for an overhaul.

Unfortunately, the marketplace for smartphones has changed since the days WM was at its peak. Back then smartphones had a very niche market appeal, and WM was designed to cater to 'tech geeks'. In today's market, smart phones have a very mass market appeal, as Apple and Google have been very successful at taking the core functions of a smart phone and streamlining them in a way that makes sense to most people.

It takes a lot of money to develop and support a mobile OS, and it will take a mass market appeal, and mass market revenue to not only keep WM competetive, but to flat out keep it afloat. Keeping that in mind, you have to realize that it was either WP7 in its current state or no WM at all. I'm not too thrilled about WP7 myself, and am not sure if will manage to survive or not, but I do know that its a necessary move for them.

I do know that even considering all the we lose in WP7, we have quite a bit to gain with support for modern applications, services and hardware support. This is how I feel currently having gone from WM to Android (I've also owned an iPhone before the HD2). Most people gain a lot more from a 'lock down/watered down' modern OS, than an 'open' out-dated one.
[HD2 General] xaccers:
Except there are so many devices out there running WM6.x (don't just think of phones), and will continue to need a WM based OS as WP7 is not suitable, MS will indeed continue with WMC.
[HD2 General] mystik610:
But how many people really NEED a WM based OS other than people here at XDA? Corporate/Enterprise users are happy with RIM/Blackberry, most everyone else is happy with the iPhone and the Android. You make it sound like there are "so many" WM devices out there, but how many WM devices are out there compared to the likes of the iPhone, Android, and Blackberry?

Don't get me wrong, I understand that the people who need an OS like WM6.5 are getting shafted, but they represent a very small population in the grand scheme of things, and building a new mobile OS to cater to the minority would be the same financial disaster that WM 6.5 has been for the past couple of years.
[HD2 General] xaccers:
Hell of a lot more WM devices out there than iPhone or RIM.

When was the last time you had a delivery guy ask you to sign for a parcel on an iPhone? Or an order in a restaurant taken on a Blackberry?

Ever tried to take a stock check or customers' gas meter readings with an Android device?

Corporate/Enterprise users that I support are far from happy with blackberrys, they only have them because the previous IT companies told them that's what they needed, despite them having Exchange 2003.

Once they've used up their spare BES licences they'll be looking to a more stable and reliable system where they don't have to yank the batteries out the phone every couple of weeks because their email/contacts/calender has decided to stop syncing.
[HD2 General] mystik610:
These wireless scanners, signature devices etc etc are the only thing keeping WM afloat right now, although within the industries they are utilized in, WM is facing stiff competition as well.

The good thing about WM used in these applications is that the technology does not need to change much...they can stick to 10 year old technology still be relatively competitive. Microsoft has to do very little to continually support those devices. They can support these devices using WM6.5 as a legacy OS.

But all of that is out of context in the discussion here....no one here really gives a damn about WM being used in that capacity. In the context of WM being used as a personal device, WM is an aging, unsupported OS. It may be 'open' and customizable, but the underlying technology is outdated, and third party support is non-existent.

And do you honestly think they'll be happier with windows mobile? I understand that blackberrys have quirks of their own, but stock WM is definitely not the more stable or reliable OS!

Most of the people at our firm are Blackberry users, and while it's less than perfect, its accessible enough that most people can access the functions they need without problems (and that's whats most important to enterprise users). There are a few enterprise users at our firm who use iPhones, Android, and WM Devices too....and guess which ones are having the most issues? WM USERS! Mind you they're using stock ROMS, and have no desire to go through the trouble of flashing custom roms.

So they're stuck with all the quirks and problems of associated with stock WM roms....including having an interface designed to be used with a stylus!
[HD2 General] xaccers:
I challenge your assertion that WM is no longer supported.

Please cite the press release where MS have stated that.

WMC will continue to be developed and supported because there is such a need for it as it is so versatile. It also makes good business sense to keep such a developed OS going while there is still custom for it, so that in the likely event that WP7 goes the same way as Kin, they'll have an updated version of WMC to rebrand as the new phone OS.

We have some users who in preference to BBs have used their WM phones with exchange sync, with HTC stock roms and no issues.

I've been using it for over 2 years now without a single issue.

The company I'm at today have recently changed operator for their BBs in order to get new handsets to hopefully resolve their issues, and guess what? They're still having to pull batteries to get things working again.
[HD2 General] rmdeathwish:
Hmmmm i can second that...

My general manager took a look at my HD2 , discussed its functions and voila hes ordered it against his BB ..... looks like HD2 is still a hot cake !!! :D
[HD2 General] mystik610:
I never said that Microsoft would stop supporting their enterprise business....in fact, MS has publically stated multiple times that they would. I think we agree on that point.

Microsoft's bread and butter has always been its enterprise business (both inside and outside of their mobile products), and they will continue to support their enterprise business as they always have. Their consumer business has always been sort of ‘pet projects’ for MS, that can be lackluster performers and continue to exist in the market because they leverage the success of their enterprise business. As standalone products though, many of their consumer products simply don’t perform well compared to their competitors.

At the end of the day, though, the scope of this discussion is MS’s consumer business….most of us here could care less what their enterprise business does. In regards to WM6.5 as a personal device, what you have is an OS designed for MS’s enterprise business in mind, being marketed to their consumer customers…..most of whom don’t need a cumbersome OS like WM. Accessibility and ease of use is what’s important to their consumer customers, something Apple and Google taught Microsoft the hard way.

In terms of WM for personal/consumer devices, WP7 will be their primary focus. If in the event that WP7 goes the way of the kin, MS will likely pull out of the mobile consumer market altogether. The complexity (versatility) of the WM6.5 platform is its biggest weakness in this market-space. It's the reason it never caught on in a large scale in the past....its the reason why it's losing so much market share to RIM, Apple, Google etc now.

And people never have pull batteries on a WM device? Read the forum here and you’ll see plenty of that happening. I personally got my HD2 as a work device initially, but after dealing with issues like crashes when an incoming call comes, I delegated it to my personal device and hacked the hell out of it to make it useable.

SOME may prefer WM to BBs, but most clearly don’t (otherwise everyone would be walking around with WM devices right now, not BB’s). Unfortunately for a company as large as MS, catering to the minority isn’t in their best interest.
[HD2 General] xaccers:
All WM needed to improve its use on mobile devices was a decent interface, of which there have been several released for the past few years, it certainly isn't cumbersome so I don't know where you get that idea from.

RIM saw a gap in the market and developed mobile devices which could interface with mail servers. This foothold, with the licencing plan of BES makes it financially detrimental to consider leaving. They've benifited from PHBs following the crowd ("If company X has it then it must be good" which is one of the reasons why Lotus is still alive), and IT companies pushing what they can make money from rather than what is best, especially when you know about the fundamental flaws with their system.

Someone as a problem with a new phone? Well change it under warranty. Do that with a BB and you'll end up with the same problem eventually as it's not the handset that's at fault.

I've had 3 HTCs, and my friends and colleagues have them, all stock. Only one had a problem and that was resolved by warranty exchange so not WM related. None of the WM devices I support suddenly stop syncing anything for no apparent reason.

60% of the BBs at the company I was at today have suffered problems, where they can send but not recieve, or they're getting emails but not calendar updates.

They've changed provider, got brand new handsets and still many will just stop syncing.

WM just works.
[HTC Aria Themes and Apps] Aphox:
I'm running R008 and the Wolfram Alpha market link won't work? Anyone else having that problem?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Neo3D:
I noticed that when I email mp3s to myself (via Gmail) and later try to download those files to my phone via Gmail in the Android Browser (not the app, it has an entirely different set of issues, like no download option at all, only preview), the Android browser mucks up the filenames if there is a space in the filename.

I also noticed that the browser replaces "unsupported" characters like (, ), ' (so far tested) and replaces them with a _.

That's fine, but I just wished I didn't have to go thru all my filenames and replace the spaces with a _.

Is this an Android browser defect? Sorta feels like living in DOS 8.3 again not having support for spaces in filenames. :(
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mkhopper:
Yes, this is a (semi) confirmed issue with the Android browser. It doesn't seem to handle spaces in file names correctly.

http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=3678

Mine is comment 4, if anyone is interested.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Neo3D:
Good find! I put in my vote on that issue. Google needs to fix this pronto!
[Epic 4G General] joshottley:
Has anyone else had this? When I go to buy an app, it has me sign into my google account. Now I had to create a new one just for market purchases because I use google apps for your domain and that account won't work. That's all fine and good but it only works one time. After that it asks me to sign in again and I get "can not get a reliable data connection". The only way to fix it is to hard reset my phone. Is there any other way to fix this?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] kroniced:
I went to Android with the sweetest phone on the market (Samsung Galaxy S) and never looked back. However I still have my Tilt and Tilt2 and I thought I might try and install Froyo or something tastly on my old phones...

THESE FORUMS ARE A MESS!

So here I am, and by the look of it there is nothing going on but people flooding the forum with cries for help and people waving the white flag. I assume the big boi dev's moved on to better devices as I did or they got tired of you clowns flooding this forum. ANYONE PLEASE LET ME KNOW WHAT THE DEAL IS. IF THERE IS ANYTHING GOING ON MAYBE WE SHOULD STICKY IT OR MOVE ALL THESE QUESTION THREADS, THIS ONE INCLUDED TO A SUBTHREAD.

If they have it working on my Tilt half way decent I cant belive the Tilt2 is getting ditched.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] arrrghhh:
What are you talking about dude? There's a sticky thread already. There's just too many people who can't read FAQ's and are asking the same questions again and again. As this project gets more popularity, more people flood the forums.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] uncleswoop:
how do you have almost as many posts as I, and not even know about the biggest project on rhodium?

do you even read anything in these forums?

and as far as i know, we have the best devs right here on site giving constant top tier advice, updates, software, hacks and mods.

what white flags do you see, besides "iphone" users who try their hand at a real device.

stick to ur samsung, this is HTC.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] noodles21o2:
You're dumber than the noobs on here, at least they had the sense to check STICKY at the TOP of the page. And I'm gonna tell you what all the noobs get told...SEARCH!!!

TP2 (XDandroid) XDA App
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] Hamsteriel:
So, you open a new thread to ask a question which was answered in the very first thread on the forum, that was also stickied. Then you begin to use vulgarities to debase other forum members? I'm glad you use another phone, and don't come to this forum anymore.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] bahairus:
Not to pile on but that first stickied thread has over 9,000 posts and 1,000,000 views. Even a noob like me knew to go there first.

*giggle*
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] pulser_g2:
Thread cleaned.

Please familiarise yourself with the forum rules regarding flaming, language and respect for other members.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] YOSEFE:
Thanks Senior Mod.

Wondered whom the person was calling clowns. Unless we have an apology, the person should be suspended.
[Touch2 Themes and Apps] DIOMEN1959:
I need to sell my HTC Touch 2. RSS Hub 2.1.2.1117.Please help me.:mad: