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[Galaxy S I9000 General] AXIS of Reality:
I'd actually say wait until the next generation of Android phones (ie: those launched with Gingerbread).

The Galaxy S is definitely a step up from the Desire in terms of power, screen and media capabilities, but it's still in the same generational family as the Desire so it's more of an iteration / revision than what could be seen as a successor.

Plus, with Samsung's upcoming November 8th Android announcement, it's heavily rumoured they will be producing the next Google-branded Nexus phone! :eek:

If you can get a good amount for your Desire, wait perhaps a few more weeks and see what announcements come out of Samsung / HTC / Google in regards to Gingerbread since the Gingerbread statue has just arrived on Google's lawn so they must be ready to unveil it and the devices that will support it.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Maddmatt:
You're saying the lagfix nearly doubles battery life? :p Assuming you actually mean it reduces battety life...

Utter crap. Battery life is virtually the same with or without a lagfix. There was one buggy lagfix that had a battery drain issue that was fixed.

Don't know how you kill your battery that fast, must be some seriously heavy usage. I don't think most people will need an extended battery, only people who spend a lot of time talking on the phone.

The high end HTC phones have much worse battery life from what I've read.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] tameracingdriver:
Samsung advantages

Screen

Built-in storage

Gpu

Swype

Desire advantages

Better support

Froyo

Sense

Gps works

Faster day to day

Works out of the box

Better camera

Better sound quality

Better build quality

More roms / support from devs

So no I wouldn't say sgs is better tbh
[Galaxy S I9000 General] mib1800:
You are joking right?

SGS camera/video rec/sound beats the Desire to pulp.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] DSF:
How many apps do you have?

I have about 9 full pages of apps.

First = 27 sec

Second ~ 3 sec

The more apps you have installed, the more it takes.

@DamianGto, please don't post anymore. Every time you worship and post false statements like an pathetic & annoying fanboy. The lag is there and is not fixable ATM*. Period. Some are issues with android itself, some with SGS.

Try reboot, and try again that. You will see that you have to wait more seconds, not 1. And yes, I have voodoo lag fix (wiped before flashing too). This doesn't fix application code & bugs, boy! I like TouchWiz and I want to make use of it.

*Install some apps.

1) Test Google search (press and hold option button in home). Press a leter, for eg N. Now you have to wait seconds. Just web, apps are in searchable items. Without web suggestions

2) Swype

3) Manage apps

4) List processes

5) Apps shortcut

6) TouchWiz app drawer

7) Browser (still on JP6 ATM)

And so many issues.

@tameracingdriver what about HD recording? HD recording on HTC devices is just.. pathetic.

@ ickyboo GPU is still inferior to SGS' one. See nenamark 1. I got 50.5 FPS.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] bilboa1:
I've tiny hands ^.^

And the SGS size is just perfect. Probably because its thin and light. Other 4" phones are bigger and a little harder to handle. I though it'd be too big at first but surprisingly it isn't

For the google sky thing to work you must calibrate the magnetic sensor using another app (idk why you've to download an app for something that should be automatic - but ok)

once calibrated works great :)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] t1mman:
I have about 6 pages of apps.

27 sec. is kinda long, for sure, but in the end, how many times do you have to go into this app... And, as an IT speaking, scanning and indexing is one of the longest thing any device would do. Knowing that the FS in the SGS makes it slower, it's kind of normal behavior. As for an example, take any computer with a huge folder of picture, most of the time it will take longuer to populate because of indexing and file preview. Nand is also slower than usuall memory used by device to have more of it.

Google search works like a charm. But i've installed voice search 2.1 and I don't use swype.

And, you might beleive some are so called "fan boy" but, this forum is over populated by "haters", so having a couple of "fanboy" is not a bad thing to balance it out!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] DSF:
@t1mman well, I've got 148 apps in app drawer (flash and some live wallpapers aren't present here)

This is an android issue.. i really cannot understand why google doesn't cache some app info (for eg: name, base size, image). It has to extract the image and application name from the jar archive.. Just imagine caching this info, all apps could benefit from this: task manager, app drawer, manage apps... so we will get way faster listing. Android OS is one of the SLOWEST OS in the world in temrs of app load speed (don't compare symbian 400mhz with android 1ghz, even so, symbian may load apps faster).. just because the internal structure of android (java apps in JVM). Java is well known to be memory hungry and it executes code slower than native code. Grrr... I'm offtopic :(

Well, I really cannot accept some statements by some users (andrewelke and DamianGto) from here. They just aren't realistic and write bulls*its. Maybe they suffer from placebo effect. Maybe they consider a lag when there is above 10 second delay, otherwise "all is working instantly".

I like this phone (and touchwizz additions) but the lag & memory are REAL issues.

@DamianGto one more question for you if you say that you have absolutely no lag.. can you use the phone when installing an app from the market (for eg)?

@tameracingdriver as you have a nexus one and had a galaxy s and a desire.. can you tell me please how the devices is (and how was the desire too) when installing an app from the market? it's very unresponsive as the galaxy s is?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] t1mman:
As stated earlier, any forder with a large number of file will give an issue with a computer running a Windows or Linux or Mac Operating system. Caching (or indexing) resolves the issue, but frankly, I disable this feature because it takes ressource *all the time* instead of just having to wait when you need it.

Add this the RFS "sloweness" and the speed of the SD card Vs. internal flash and it surely will be slower than EXT/Flash.

Basicaly, you have to choose: Speed Vs. capacity. Just like in a computer, you can put an SSD drive and have blasting speed but you can't use it for archiving because it's less reliable and not as large.

As for users with "no issue", I am one of them. You can beleive anything you want, but still they are plenty of users with perfectly well working SGS. I've posted some tracks with GPS, I have no massiv lag, and everything works pretty fine, gaming, video recording, playback, GPS tracking while listening to music trough bluetooth (durring long sessions).

So, instead of blaming "us" for having a good working SGS, you should probably try to find why yours is not working as well. There's a good written procedure on the stickies that anyone with issue should try.

As for the "using device while installing", it's not lag, only normal use. I've been an IT for 10 years and I'd never "play around" while installing a software, it's prone to crashes and bugs...

I don't know how's iPhones go, but back when I was using WM6.5 or WM6 the system was restricting you to only seeing the install itself. From this point of view, market install are more of an improvement.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] DSF:
Cache file (may be a sqlite db) updates only when: you update/remove/install app (usual rare). Otherwise you just make a read operation. Icons may be saved in that db too as base64 or smth -> this will save multiple read operations.

I'm on JP6 and tried voodoo lag fix, wiped data&cache after flashing.. And I'm using touchwizz launcher, swype, stock browser. I doubt that any kernel, FS will fix those apps. The problem is the optimization/bugs inside the apps.

And I doubt that you don't have any lag with my setup and in my scenario. I'm not the only one that got the lag issue.. just read the forums
[Galaxy S I9000 General] t1mman:
I'm not waying there's no lag issue, but if you are willing to "sail away" from official release, you are prone to have issue since, well, they're beta and unnoficial.

But then, if you consider that your lag is when installing apps or browsing the folders, I don't consider this as "lag", but rather limitations (wich would be seen in a lesser scale on any devices)

And, for the record, for any indexing to work, you have to monitor the changing of files, wich is taking ressources. Then, when a change occurs, the DB is updated.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] DSF:
JP6 was oficial (they had a press release too).. and rolled out. But I will wait till the real official release... let's see.

Nope, I wrote a few posts about what lags in my case.

And the problem is that some users are saying that JP6 is lag free.

And, I think android has events, when an event triggers an activity is started. No need to keep app alive.

ex:

app delete:

DELETE FROM apps WHERE apk_name = 'com.android.app123';

app install:

INSERT INTO apps SET apk_name = 'com.android.apps12345', icon = [base64 content], name = 'Test app', base_size = '100223';

After app delete & app install => cache reload in RAM

.. or simply the package installer app can push this info (or the app that is responsible for app managing). Really. . you don't have to monitor the changing of files if the caching system is implemented well.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] t1mman:
Anyway, this is not relevent to the topic

Is it better than Desire HD?

Well, I haven't use the Desire HD, but I am pleased (totaly) with SGS. And, SGS has still the better hardware but lacks on the speed of the SD card Vs. Flash Memory and RFS file system is not as fast as Ext. Still, if you play games or use GPU intensive task, it will outrun anything out there!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] darkoroje:
As I explained to you in the other tread, GPS cannot be fixed by any AGPS fixes published on the forums. That is because the problem is either in the driver itself or in hardware. I personally know of 4 Galaxy phones and none of them have a working GPS. I am happy that you have a working GPS, but a significant percentage of Galaxy users do not.

The slowness of application enumeration is partially due to the way Android works, but also to the RFS file system. Installing a lag fix will solve that problem at the cost of having to root the phone and void your warranty.

I would say anybody who buys a Galaxy now has a good chance of GPS not working properly. Don't take my word for it, just search forGalaxy reviews on some reputable tech site like Anandtech and you will see that is the #1 problem mentioned.

Nexus One and Desire can be used while installing applications - I know, I have personal experience with both. The reason is that they have a better file system capable of sustaining more I/O operations at the same time.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ro4sho:
My gps issn't working at all.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] iCE-dOGG:
With the right iGO / Sygic i haven't had a single problem with the GPS. Although with google maps positioning is pure horrible, running through parks, driving through buildings.. not pretty.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] jonny_ftm:
I also have no GPS issues, but never tried google maps (no data cheap acount, so will eat rapidly my credit). I used Navigon 3.5.0 and it just works as fine as my excellent BT SirfIII bluetooth GPS.

However, I bought my SGS recently (october, JM7 stock), so could be a hardware antenna issue fixed in later manufactured devices. It can also be a synch issue with google maps as the rare posts with people having broken GPS that tried another Nav program report great navigation, which rules out hardware antenna at least. Maybe more people with broken GPS should try alternative navigation apps and report back.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] DamianGto:
DFS: you call me a fanboy and i think that's funny.

I just got a Sgs that work very good.

I prove you wrong time after time and you still don't understand it.

I did once again tried the shortcut thing after i restarted the phone.

It still take less then a second to get the list up with the apps.

Sure i only have around 50 apps.

I also do install an app from market while im writing this. No lag what's so ever.

More test you want me to do?

Try to understand that my phone do work well and if you have problem its your phone that have problem. Maby you got a flaw hardware or its something you have done with the phone.

I did try the shortcut thing again now. I did just install a program. Guess what? It still take less then a second to get the apps list up.

To OP: you will find whining people that tell all kind of flaw on Sgs and it don't work. I can't understand why they even still has the Sgs.

Sure the Sgs is not perfect out of the box, but it easy to fix and there are alot of fixes that work. It only matter of taste what you use.

Sent from GT-I9000 jpm My own kernel for z4mod and with 341MB Ram
[Galaxy S I9000 General] tameracingdriver:
No, I'm not, and no, it doesn't.

OK video recording was better, although the sound was horribly distorted so I didn't bother.

In terms of camera, the Desire has a flash and software which doesn't over-compress images, also the same amount of megapixels, and roughly the same quality in good light - as long as you use a program which doesn't over-compress the JPEGs.

Sound quality wise, I couldn't quite put my finger on what was wrong, but I was not happy with the sound quality.

Hardly "beating it to a pulp", then.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] t1mman:
Flash can only cover some area, while NightMode will cover everything... the only way a flash is better than night mode is in total darkness...

As for the sound for video recording, it pretty much sucks on every device... but you can add a 2$ external mic to "fix" this, you can see my test in the accesories forum.

As for sound out quality, I can't see anything wrong with it and I use it for long run with S9-HD BT headset.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ardll:
Who the smeg said anything about inside? The GPS doesnt work, it bounces all over the place and cant keep a stable lock. I get so fed up of people claiming otherwise. Clear sky or not, it doesnt work. Oh and the compass doesnt work either. I have zero faith that 2.2 will fix anything.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] t1mman:
You got plenty of people with perfectly good working GPS (with tracks to coroborate), don't think that if yours doesn't work, none works, it is NOT THE CASE.

I'm also getting s*ck of people claiming "nothing works" but never posts anything to backup, except repeating that it doesn't...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] mymanchris:
I just brought my SGS back to Bell for a replacement. This is the second SGS I've had die on me (one software, one hardware) in the 2 months that I've owned it.

Here are my major complaints with the SGS and the reason why I switched:

1. Unbelievable lag. Yes it's fixable with a simple download and lag fix, but man what a downer when I first got my shiny new powerful phone, then waited 3 seconds from the time I unlocked the screen to get a home screen. There's no way they should have let this out the door like this.

2. Coma issue. Again a fixable problem once you find the right post on XDA with instructions to lock to the 850 band. Apparently a Bell-only issue, but still frustrating to have your phone go dead 10-12 times per day. And why should I have to go to XDA to fix all of Samsung's crappy software?

3. Peekaboo upgrade to Froyo. It's been out since April, it shouldn't be rocket science to get this right. SGS is supposed to be your flagship phone so put some development resources behind it and get it out the door already.

4. Kies. It fried my phone once. Pinning all future upgrades to this piece of crap software is a losing strategy. How many apologies should I have to accept from my phone maker?

5. Dead internal SD card. Also apparently a Bell-only issue, but for me it was a show stopper.

6. No flash on camera. Weird decision on this one.

I loved my SGS - when it worked. Owned it 8 weeks, it was usable for maybe 6. That's 25% down time, which is totally unacceptable. I'm switching to the HTC Desire Z on Wednesday.

What I will miss from my SGS:

1. Screen. Both the size and the crisp AMOLED goodness will be surely missed.

2. See 1 above.

Beyond that, the HTC build quality just looks so much better. I'm hoping for a better experience, but won't know for another 2 days.

Wish me luck.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] EarlZ:
Unless those phones will start to have a 4" SAMOLED screen, Im not going to another brand.. its the SAMOLED screen thats making me love my phone so much.. Its my portable entertainment device.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] AllanJacques:
I am aiming to get a DHD but was wondering if it has the multi-touch problems like nexus one?

Any ideas?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] bryant_16:
Samsung Galaxy S or HTC Desire Z

Hey guys,

I am torn between these 2 phones. Which one should I get, HTC Desire Z or Samsung Galaxy S?

In terms of future updates (Gingerbread or Honeycomb if there is), which one is more likely to be updated?

In terms of web browsing, is Galaxy S with stock froyo good enough to be compared to HTC Desire Z?

Need your guys inputs for battery life too.

Thanks and really appreciate any response.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Auzy:
It's hard for us to say, because all of us have Galaxy S's, but not many have HTC devices. Based on my brief experience with the original HTC desire though, I'd probably pick the Z. There are many issues with this device, and I have seen too much evidence which suggests software is being rushed.

Originally, I loved this phone, but over time, I am afraid, I've seen way too many small bugs, and communications attempts with Samsung have been less successful than the SETI project..

Don't get me wrong, it's a great device (and it has changed my life), but it certainly isn't the best.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] bryant_16:
I see. Thanks for your inputs.

Anymore inputs about this?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] cheetah2k:
Go the Desire Z. The CPU is a Series II snapdragon @ 800Mhz, with the same performance as the Series I snapdragon @ 1Ghz, and its easily overclockable to 1.4ghz and beyond as well if you need more grunt.

Phonearena has a great review on it, gives it a 8.5/10 score overall
[Galaxy S I9000 General] bryant_16:
I see. Thanks for the inputs. Is the multi-touch resolved for the HTC Desire Z?

And also, one thing that is bothering me is the hinge. Is it that bad?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] cyanide1973:
I have had both and I didn't l like the key board on the z mainly because I let my 2.5 year old daughter play with my phone and the hinge didn't seem like it would last I only had it for 2 days but I did like sense better then touch wiz . My galaxy s is in for repair for the second time in 3 month so not sure I'm a big fan but if they get it working then I would be very happy with it. Htc seems to better quality control I have had 2 htc phone and never had a problem. My galaxy s and tab both seem to be have some issues. Anyway if I were you i would wait to see if the desire hd makes it way over.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] SkinBobUk:
Im basing my experience on a normal desire and a galaxy s. I know the original desire ain't the same as the z, but the software is roughly the same.

Personally i loved the desire when i got it, it was a breath of fresh air, fast, smooth and a pleasure to use.

After getting the galaxy I started to wonder if i had made the right choice. Yes there are problems which are well documented. However if you actually enjoy flashing new roms and kernels and generally playing about with the technical bits of the phone i think you'll love the galaxy.

Once you have a lag fix kernels and and other tweaks installed i think the pros of the galaxy will win you over.

I love the size and screen of the galaxy and haven't come across anything that comes close.

If i were you id definitely get to try a galaxy with the fixes before dismissing it.

As for updates to ginger bread im not sure. However Im certain with some of the extremely clever devs around it will certainly happen at some point.

Battery life, i get two days out of it easily with general use. That consists of a few phone calls, lots of texts and a few hours games and browsing.

Sent From My GT-Iphone-killer almost.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Maddmatt:
Media: Galaxy S

Better screen and sound quality.

Business: Desire Z

Keyboard and better business oriented software (Sense).

Although I type faster with Swype on my Galaxy S than on a keyboard, and using only one hand. Since I got used to Swype I wouldn't even want a keyboard on my phone. Takes some practice though.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] bryant_16:
I see. Is the bootloader in Galaxy S locked or it is opened and easy for flashing and stuffs like that?

Will the lagfix still be needed in froyo 2.2?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] bcam117:
Yes the lag fix is still needed on 2.2, i find 2.2 much slower actually. I'm quite a noob when it comes to this stuff, but i have to say it was extreamly easy to root, lagfix and flash a rom(using a update.zip hehe). All in all i think the things the galaxy s has going for it are the screen, the weight, the thinness and the gpu.

I spent a LONG time researching about what phone to get, what sold me on the galaxy s was its gpu. As far as i know it was the first phone to come out with a better gpu than the iphone of that same generation, which i found cool.

At the time the new htc's weren't out. I would probably have to say if you want a hassle free phone that works get the desire z. The galaxy s has a lot of bugs and needs work. And if you need to use your gps a lot don't even think of getting the galaxy s .
[Galaxy S I9000 General] bryant_16:
How's the GPU in HTC Desire Z as compared to Galaxy S?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Darkstriker:
Hardware-wise the SGS beats the DZ on all fronts. The 800Mhz CPU on the DZ is not as quick as the 1Ghz on the other snapdragons. It is in fact about 20% slower. What is better compared to normal desire is the fact that the GPU on the DZ is better but it is still far behind the performance of the SGS's SGX540 (The SGX540 is the fastest GPU in any smartphone or MID to date).

The only reason to choose the DZ in my view is the HW-keyboard. It's an important feature. However, swype is by FAR superior if you use only one hand. And even two-handed, a hw keyboard is barely superior to swype.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Dekman:
This is true , i had the Desire Z and went back to the Galaxy S, deisre Z is heavy , they keyboard really isn't that great. The hinges become loose after a few days, the camera sucks, screen doesn't compare and its heavy( not necessarily bad ) and was slightly laggy in games.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] bryant_16:
I see. Thanks the feedback.

Lets say I get a galaxy s, and update to stock froyo. Do I still need to get those lagfix?

Will stock froyo be just nice for me in terms of no bugs here and there, speed increase, no lags and stuffs like that?

Sent from my HTC Desire
[Galaxy S I9000 General] dm-digital:
Overall I think the SGS is a better phone. The only thing is it seem that not all SGS phones are created equal. I don't know if this is a quality control issue or what. Some people have may problems, while others have none.

My experience with the SGS has been a great one. Mine is a I9000M and with stock 2.1 (JH2) it was fast, had no lag and GPS worked well. Even loading it down with apps I haven't had any slow downs or problems.

I have currently upgraded to unofficial 2.2 (JK3) and although some have reported the phone being a little slower with 2.2 I have seen an increase in speed. The UI is very quick and flash runs extremely well. The GPS seems about the same but maybe locks on a couple seconds faster. Battery life has also increased with the upgrade to 2.2.

I'm not sure what Samsungs plans are for 2.3 but the hardware is capable. When I received my SGS the Desire Z wasn't available here but I think I still would have went with the SGS if I had to choose.