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[Windows Phone 7 General] emigrating:
It obviously depends on where you're located, but scouring thru the various online marketplaces (both locally and abroad) the general pricepoint seems to be fairly close to what a HD7 will cost. Even eBay, which is notorious for bargains, have quite a few used devices listed at near retail price - with bids.

Seems to help if you can differentiate the phone from the norm though, so don't use stock images and put a good ROM on it (something including CHT perhaps) or install Android.
[Windows Phone 7 General] fabsen:
well... that's not correct. we are talking about the embedded licenseline of microsoft. you can't say that this is not legal. if you bought a license f.e 10 years ago for winCE5 you are allowed to use it on the newest winCE6. same with windows XP embedded and and Windows Embedded Stadard 2009. you just pay for the runtime, not for the features. you are not able to buy such license as enduser. this is only a licensing scheme for reseller (OEM).

so it should stay legal because you bought the runtime license with your phone.

just my 2 cents...
[Windows Phone 7 General] unlockMe:
OEM licenses are bound to a specific equipment.

If you buy a PC with OEM windows XP, Vista or 7 on it, you cannot transfer that installation onto another PC, same apply here, if you buy a smartphone with WinPhone7 on it (e.g. HD7) then porting that ROM and loading it onto an HD2 would break the OEM principle.
[Windows Phone 7 General] trent6gol:
since when did the thread turn into a legal battle?

i am sure everyone on this whole website knows what is and not legal besides who really cares lets let the devs do there magic and if you dont want wp7 dont download it just my 2cents
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
what should I do if I want it?
[Windows Phone 7 General] juyon:
Already love the dual boot with WM6 and Android ..
[Windows Phone 7 General] nygmam:
can always buy a new WP7 phone, if you want it that badly...
[Windows Phone 7 General] Neo XL:
The question is not the legality, the question is, what would MS sell, if these forums would not excist? All over the world so many users are registered in different forums for windows mobile, creating or downloading apps, updates, themes, which they never would have, when they wait for MS. Many of the ideas in new phones were grown in forums like this. Look at the iphone. Long before it was released, there have been similar styles on some other wm phones, which are created here or somewhere. Apple collected the experience of the last years of windows mobile, of themes and apps, also of wishes from users. Microsoft closed the eyes and ears, and now they are at the end of the road.

If they would do something against the work in these forums, they would stop creativity and new ideas and their chances for the future of wm or wp. The users, which have the chance to try a cracked wp on an hd2 can be the users of the new phones tomorrow.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ali4110m:
I have a question:is it possible to have a triple boot on HD2?I mean WP7,WM6.5 and android 2.2 at the same time?

Sent from my HTC HD2 using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk
[Windows Phone 7 General] trent6gol:
wait patiently like most of us or buy one.

i have 2 hd2s sitting as a paper weight just waiting (recently discontinued tmobile service least i got the unlock codes first)
[Windows Phone 7 General] pkchips:
eBay wouldn't work because you need to have a past good reputation as a seller to achieve those prices.

What are these local marketplaces you speak of? I've never heard of them...
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
I were had been sarcasm.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Signo371:
Wow. I would like to say- regarding this thread, not the legal debate- that the content is very different from its title. This thread has yet to actually reveal ANY of Cotulla's development status other than what has already been seen on YouTube.

As for the legal debate, XDA is a well-known and well-respected forum. Along those lines, moderators have it in their responsibilities to see that nothing illegal happens.

Just hang out and see what happens with WP7 and if you feel that you are being unfair to Microsoft by using a hacked version, then go by a phone with it. This really doesn't need a federal court level debate.

To reiterate.

XDA-"DEVELOPERS".... Not XDA-"LAWSCHOOL"...

Start developing ideas and stop putting down others.
[Windows Phone 7 General] 5haddex:
Just a quick read on the HTC site and I found this :-

"YOUR ACCEPTANCE BY ACTIVATING, USING, DOWNLOADING

OR INSTALLING THIS PHONE AND/OR THE SOFTWARE, YOU ARE

AGREEING TO BE BOUND BY THE TERMS OF THIS LICENSE AGREEMENT.

If, prior to indicating your acceptance by activating, using,

downloading or installing this phone and/or the Software, you

determine that you are unwilling to agree to the terms of this License

Agreement, you have no right to use the Software and you should:

(i) promptly return the Software to HTC or delete it; or (ii) if you have

purchased the HTC Product on which the Software is pre-installed

by or on behalf of HTC, promptly return the HTC Product and the

accompanying Software and items (including documentation and

packaging) to HTC or the HTC authorized distributor from whom you

purchased the HTC Product.

ANY THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE THAT MAY BE PROVIDED WITH THE

SOFTWARE IS INCLUDED FOR USE AT YOUR OPTION. IF YOU CHOOSE

TO USE SUCH THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE, THEN SUCH USE SHALL BE

GOVERNED BY SUCH THIRD PARTY’S LICENSE AGREEMENT. HTC IS

NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY THIRD PARTY’S SOFTWARE AND SHALL

HAVE NO LIABILITY FOR YOUR USE OF THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE.

1. GRANT OF LICENSE. HTC hereby grants to you a non-exclusive,

non-transferable and restricted license to use the Software and any

related documentation (“Documentation”) subject to the following

terms:

You shall use the Software solely in conjunction with the handheld

device in which the Software is originally embedded."

As I read that, you cannot mess around with the OS on your Device without going against the licence.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Mariad:
Law & Order: Special Phones Unit?
[Windows Phone 7 General] kromosto:
:D Detective Goren left Major Case Squad to join this
[Windows Phone 7 General] awagner:
Funny thing

I found this site by way of a recomendation by a Microsoft employee. There are two official Microsoft stores in the country (Unless that has recently changed) and one just happens to be in Scottsdale... 20 min away. After purchasing a new phone I had a couple issues with it and took it down to the store. It's a cool store to see anyway. Was an in call volume issue which was odd to both "the phone expert" and myself. He recomened I go to xda.. custom rom's and tweeks that can fix this kind of issue. By no means does that mean Microsoft as a company endorses XDA, but what goes on here is no secret either. Loading custom Roms or tweeking with the phone is not something the vast majority of phone users do. People aren't out there buying an EVO and loading Windows Mobile, I think that would make them jump on it and go after us.. devolopers and moochers such as myself. However, both developers and moochers and all those in between offer a value.. in my example I have always had a Winmo phone and my customers see that and have bought phones like mine for that very reason. I for one like the model of paying for software to drive innovation and support, but I also expect more for what I am paying and out of the box T-mobile software is a joke compared to what Energy and the like cook up. I still paid for Winmo when I bought the phone, so it's not like I am Pirating the software like a $15 copy of Windows 7. I think in a more perfect world I could buy a copy of WP7 for my HD2, but it isn't so go Cotulla! I am not gonna hold on to this HD2 for long, I may not buy an HD7, maybe the next gen, but I will guarantee you this if WP7 is any good at all I will eventually pay for the license a couple times over...iPhone, Andriod, Winmo all have custom ROM's floating around and I have heard of no case where anyone has gone after anyone over it. I just don't think it is in their interest at this time or certainly Apple would have gone after somebody or Microsoft would have gone after XDA a very long time ago. Does anyone know how old this site is? Anyway, maybe my opinion adds to it or maybe not, but rather than legal or not legal How about some info on development status anyone?
[Windows Phone 7 General] wixxer:
Hi there,

attorney at law speaking. The license agreement clearly states: "[...] shall not [...].", but not "[...] is strictly prohibited [...], otherwise the guarentee is null and void [...]".

So, just don't worry...
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tachi91:
?

I don't know why people come here and start posting License agrements and how not to mess with an OS or how not to put something that wasn't put by the manufacturing and what not. Thats the whole point of XDA its a site that is known for doing the inpossible and putting OS on phones that never had it to begin with...

Seriously don't come here if you don't have the same agenda as everybody else... That agenda is to put WP7 on HD2 if you are against it go cry somewhere and stop posting useless crap
[Windows Phone 7 General] emigrating:
Good reputation as a seller or buyer. If you have neither perhaps eBay isn't the place for you.

In regards to local marketplaces, perhaps if you tell me where you're located I could help but I'm certainly not going to sit here listing all possible marketplaces around the world. There are millions ranging from craigslist to facebook.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Cipher:
Could any mod please at least change the topic of this thread? It has nothing to do with the conversation that is going on here, sadly.
[Windows Phone 7 General] BELMOT:
Guys, let him focus on his work, Do not ask a lot of questions

Thanks Cotulla
[Windows Phone 7 General] fi3ry_icy:
who cares... winmo 6.5 sucks.. if u need to return the phone for servicing, flash a stock rom and send it back.. problem solved..
[Windows Phone 7 General] tonyjansen:
With the current component shortage, the odds are rather big. For instance, when I order capacitators for our LED Line PCB's now, chances are 100% that i will get same spec items from at least 3 different manufacturers at the moment, simply to fullfill our order.

It is that way in the industry now. The 2008 crisis made a lot of factories shut down, and the 2010 restocking surge made demand higher than ever before. So component manufacturers are trying to keep up like mad men.

Apart from that, i haven't even touched the material shortage for manufacturing those components.

All in all it's grab what you can get time.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mhd88:
I think it's probably not true he run windows phone 7 :confused: Video Because a long time since we have not seen any new news :(
[Windows Phone 7 General] ~~Tito~~:
Guys please, keep it on topic. I will take appropriate action soon.

~~Tito~~
[Windows Phone 7 General] adamvanner:
This is licensing the software (i.e. the OS only) for the device it was embedded on. i.e. doesnt specify that you cant use another OS, merely that you cant copy the OS onto another phone. i.e. its naughty to cook roms from other devices, although since HTC and MS are well aware of cooking and have done very little in terms of action to stop it, you can only guess that they are actually happy that their OS gains more users and attention than the competition (well they would do if they had any business sense)
[Windows Phone 7 General] adamvanner:
returning to WP7 development for HD2, does anyone have an HD7 yet and tried copying the rom directly onto an HD2 yet?
[Windows Phone 7 General] awagner:
Cotulla

Tried searching for Cotulla on twitter... any more hints so I can follow the tweets?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Casey_boy:
On topic? This whole thread if off-topic! The thread has nothing to do with the title.

Change the title and move it to the general discussion forum.

This thread is not, nor has it ever been, a Cotella development status thread.

Casey
[Windows Phone 7 General] rauschkugl:
because cotulla isn´t really working on it before android nand on hd2 is working completely.

and it will take a lot of time to get all drivers done. this was just the bootloader.
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
yeah this thread is pretty worthless because Cotulla said he will not release any data and not to ask any questions, so we need to just hang tight, but starting a supposed "cotulla dev status" is misleading and inevitably going to lead to people just ranting.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ~~Tito~~:
Its a status of his recent work. The title I placed never had any implications of a release date, or any percentage of how far it will be untill its complete.
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
I can respect that, and I do understand your intentions, but you have to admit that putting "status" in the title has an inherent implication that the status is going to be updated periodically, which may be misleading.

Generally for one-time events, the thread title just states the event without said implicit implication, e.g. "WP7 on HD2 video! - oct, 8" and in the OP one could reference the fact that Cotulla explicitly stated not to ask questions and that it will be done when it's done but don't hold your breath so that people don't check the thread daily with hopes that anything will actually be updated.
[Windows Phone 7 General] aethelbert:
For those who want to follow Cotulla:

www.twitter.com/cotullacode

He doesn't update often so stop asking about updates. It'll be done when it's done. (His last few posts show work towards an Android NAND release at the moment).
[Windows Phone 7 General] he3:
It's out. Any HD7 dumps yet?
[Windows Phone 7 General] juggs:
If there were, you can bet that it would be plastered all over this mofo. :rolleyes:
[Windows Phone 7 General] ~~Tito~~:
Hmmmm, I may have to come up with a creative and simple solution so people domt imply a live updated status. Do you have any suggestions?
[Windows Phone 7 General] sebacu:
Is out? What is out?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Casey_boy:
Yeah move this thread back to the General forum - it has no place in development and change the title to something along the lines of:

[Disc][Pre]WP7 on HD2 (Cotulla Video)

Casey
[Windows Phone 7 General] he3:
HD7 in Europe.
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
Casey has the right idea, there is not development of any kind in this thread, so we should move it to general. That name is good, or maybe something like

[Discussion]WP7 booting on HD2 by Cotulla

then in the OP you can stress that this is only a boot-up sequence using MAGLDR flashed over HSPL and that Cotulla has stated not to ask questions on ETA etc... (you can actually insert an OP post by yourself in this thread by finding any post you made on any part of the forum before the timestamp date of the current OP and copy/pasting it into this thread, then editing it to say what you want)

And that this is just a discussion thread and you will be policing flamers/idiots.
[Windows Phone 7 General] emigrating:
Bah. I've never seen a bigger paper launch in my life (and I've seen some fairly huge Nvidia and AMD/ATI failures)...

50 WP7 devices (ie. not HD7) for sale in Sydney, Australia - a city of 4.5 million people. Fairly similar story in London, a city of 8.5 million and all across Europe. In Sweden there are no handsets to be had, and Three (the only official launch partner) sold out before they even listed their handset (Omnia 7) for sale on their website ... makes you wonder. Hungary apparently has stock but are not allowed to sell devices as pricing has not been sorted. Germany had a few for sale although the two major networks have zilch and no info on their websites. Austria had a few... The story goes on.

Makes you wonder what the problem really is. I'm betting some sort of manufacturing or software issue as everyone (networks and freestanding stores) are reporting deliveries with only a few devices rather than the amount originally ordered.

Heck, the networks don't even have proper information on what they are selling. Three UK says they have a Samsung Omnia 7 with SD card slot whereas everyone else is saying it's 8GB only and no SD slot.
[Windows Phone 7 General] kromosto:
sorry but what do you expect? wp7 running on hd2 is the most popullar idea now. any thread with wp7 and hd2 word on its title will end like this. only way to deal with a thread like this is to lock the thread and an admin posts messages only from Cotulla or his friends.
[Windows Phone 7 General] awagner:
Soup Nazi

Honestly, I do not get the soup Nazi approach. I have not seen a single post in here from Cotulla, but don't ask questions. How can anyone be asking this person any questions if this person isn't in here answering any. Asking if others have any info seems logical in a forum. Maybe this is a culture thing and not understood that is how enthusiasm is expressed. If you create something and nobody gives a damn, was it a waste of time or something you did for yourself. Admitidly I subscribed to this thread becuase I want to stay on top of developments, but for every one general question there are 5 posts telling everyone that cotulla doesn't want questions to be asked. Does that include this forum or are people trying to ask this person something on twitter or elsewhere? What am I missing here?

P.S. No questions were directed towards cotulla in this post.
[Windows Phone 7 General] alexfos:
this is so cool 3 OS in one perfect real
[Windows Phone 7 General] he3:
eh, that sounds nasty. Im also not fond of the news about 3rd party apps.

I am still 99% sure I will be getting one. It is first gen and I dont mind being the guinea pig.

Looking forward to it actually, just hate and wonder why it was rolled out overseas (even if a paper launch) first. (overseas to me)
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
no one who actually knows anything is posting in this thread. I can all but guarantee that Cotulla or anyone working on this even checks this thread.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Greywolf_Ghost:
Just so the whole "Legal", "Not Legal" issue gets put to bed..........

If indeed a mod of the OS on a handset was "NOT LEGAL"..then M$ would have gone through XDA with a very sharp set of teeth.

ie Blackstone "Leo" ROM

TP2 "Leo" ROM

even my first mod WinMo 6.5 for Typhoon...Typhoon had 2003 SE Originally.

XDA and it's Cookers have never run into the Path of the SS Microsoft Legal !!!!

Heck even HTC has never blinked an eye when the newer version of Sense was showing up on older handhelds.

This site holds many users of many handhelds......however I would bet all users make up just a small % of total handset users worldwide.

It is also a great wealth of Bug fix, and improvement.....both would be foolish to ever upset the apple cart here.

If it were "NOT LEAGL" then this place would be closed in a heartbeat by MS and HTC.

To date this has not happened.

So please no more about what is Legal or not!!!!!

All here is above board and Mods will hammer anything deemed warez or not legal.
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
The question is not about modifying the OS that came with the phone, but porting that OS to another phone, There is a difference.

When you flash a custom ROM on your phone, you are modifying the OS that came on your phone, when you put Android on an HD2 you are putting a free, open source OS on your phone, both of which are unequivocally legal.

Porting WM6.x to an Android device, or porting WP7 to any device not already running it (which technically wouldn't be porting) is the gray area, because neither you, nor the company who sold you the phone, has bought a license for the proprietary OS that you are porting. Since we don't have a precedent or court ruling on this issue, it is in a "gray area"

I doubt MS is going to sue or put out a C&D on this porting project, so that intrinsically would make it "legal" but I think Cotulla and friends have the right idea in keeping it under wraps until it is actually functional so as not to stir the pot.
[Windows Phone 7 General] awagner:
Thanks for going easy on me.. ha ha From what I saw, that was exactly the case... seems to me with people eying this thread and posting to it, if anything does develop somebody here might say something.

On another note TMOUS sent me a text this morning it is touting a major update for the HD2... it changes your radio and spl so loading a custom ROM won't happen until someone resolves the issue. stay away!!!!
[Windows Phone 7 General] rosedog:
This is what I would like to know, why does WP7 have a limit of 16GB and no expansion ports?

This is one of the main reasons I do not want to upgrade my HD2. The community here @ XDA has my device rocking and now I can get a 32gb microSD for less that $100. Why would I limit myself on storage space?

Why does that matter to me? I store music/movies on my phone and plug my phone into my car stereo via usb as a storage device.

The only thing that bugs me abou the HD2 is lack of video output. Does the HD7 have video output?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tachi91:
Nope...the under side is just like the HD2's.... Mini USB Headphone Jack and Mic
[Windows Phone 7 General] rosedog:
absolutely mind-boggling!
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tachi91:
I know right the HD7 is so unique in every way
[Windows Phone 7 General] zarathustrax:
Actually years ago, I believe there were some legal issues this site had with m$. That's why no roms are actually hosted on this site I think.

And putting a modified version of winmo on a winmo phone is a whole different ballpark from putting m$ new windows phone series os on a phone that didn't come with it. Windows mobile 5,6&6.5 are all just winmo and upgrades. Windows phone 7 is a whole new operating system and has nothing to do with winmo and is not an upgrade. The license for winmo does not carry over for wp7.

Now hopefully m$ wont make a big deal if wp7 gets ported as it wont be that many people porting it probably ... just a small percentage of hd2 users. Also the port probably won't be fully functional as ms cloud support won't work cause your device won't have a valid code. But if they figure out a workaround to make it fully functional, and it gets ported to more than just the hd2, I could see them throwing a fit. We'll have to wait and see.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tachi91:
lets hope the steve's don't share the whole "ima sue you' tr8
[Windows Phone 7 General] pkchips:
From what I read, there was a scare - but then after they made some changes, it was discovered that the email was a hoax.
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
yeah the amount of users actually flashing a ported ROM to their HD2 would be too miniscule to even bother with.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ~~Tito~~:
I will move this to general once more. I will take the advice of orangekid and Casey_boy, and rename the thread.

~~Tito~~
[Windows Phone 7 General] I Punch Babies:
I am so glad I have purchased this phone. It is so dynamic!
[Windows Phone 7 General] mhd88:
I do not think that a real system I guess it's only Video :(
[Windows Phone 7 General] rr5678:
:p

"character limit"
[Windows Phone 7 General] kromosto:
dont get it? real system?
[Windows Phone 7 General] tkato:
Maybe you guys should open another thread concerning the legal side of porting the WP7 and stop spamming this thread which is meant for updates on the port itself.

And Yes, I know there are NO news, but still, there will be some time soon, and until then, writing the word "LEGAL" 200 times isn't contributing to the thread and it's topic.

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SO FRIGGIN' STOP.