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[Galaxy S I9000 General] DSF:
We will see in time..

Anyway, I've switched from HTC to Samsung (HTC disappointed me very much.. eg: support, rom extra-mega-huge delay update, poor hardware, small internal memory, etc). Been using only HTC products for a few years. Besides that they are using qualcomm they have also inferior hardware compared to Samsung, for eg: audio chip, camera (look for example to EVO 4G HD videos.. they advertised the camera for this phone), speaker, etc etc. For me no more HTC if they continue this way. Why pay more or the same if we can get way better hardware?

Now back on Galaxy S. It has some nice features right of the box (software). For example:

- divx support

- EQ/5.1 dolby for music

- display brightness adjustment via top bar

- handy shortcuts in notification area

- music/radio/in call phone can be controlled via notification area

- wifi connection: it popups a dialog where you can fast select a network

- camera software, lots of stuff

- etc...

HTC started to include audio improvements with SRS with Desire Z/Desire HD.. but in earlier products (eg: Desire, Nexus One, etc) they didn't included anything like that.

HTC Sense it's nice, very eye candy. Anyway, i think I prefer TouchWizz with Laucher Pro.

Samsung Galaxy S course it's not perfect. It lags out of the box.. this thing should not happen. While installing an app (via market for eg) the phone become unresponsive. I've just got the phone, didn't tried any lag fix found on XDA..

So in conclusion I thinks Galaxy S it's better than any HTC released or yet to be released device. Super AMOLED, powerful GPU+CPU, audio chip (see supercurio tweets), touchscreen panel, internal memory..
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Toss3:
Not to be a ball-buster, but does it really matter? They are both capable of running all of the current android games at a high frame rate which is the only thing that matters imho.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] compuse:
According to most of my costumers, it aint laggy out of the box anymore! ;)

so for the moment, a sgs is the way to go!

oh en the most important part of prolauncher is integrated within the touchwiz interface (pinch the menu and ui)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] compuse:
Seems powerfull enough for Gingerbread eventhough minimum should be around 1ghz =/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM2e60r8DKg

obviously less powerfull if you checked the realtime fps in quadrant (beneath the screen)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Prasad:
Google busted that rumor some time ago...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] exadeci:
Oh you mean the memory loosing and loose hinges phone ? ;)

http://phandroid.com/2010/10/01/g2-...units-shipping-with-half-the-promised-memory/

Your screen won't be able to show you more than 60fps so Galaxy S has been capped at 55-60 this way it improves battery life by not wasting it in something you won't be able to see anyway

PS: The same for you computer limit you max fps because your screen shows you only 60fps of the 300 that you graphic card is generating and it might burn http://www.neowin.net/news/starcraft-2-causing-graphics-cards-to-overheat
[Galaxy S I9000 General] jam3sjam3s:
Desire Z has about 35% slower GPU (you can see that easy in GLBench)

Neocore shows same results 'coz both devices reach their framerate cap. It just doesn't show full GPU potential.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] bilboa1:
But in Quake 3 the framerate is tied to the engine physics and 125fps is the sweet spot for the perfect jumps.

Meaning at 60fps on the SGS I can't be as good at Kwaak as I am at QA3!

Scandal! :p
[Galaxy S I9000 General] DSF:
How come..? New software (if yes, what version?) ? Different hardware?

Launcher Pro feels faster + has more features. One that I need badly is application deletion - drag an app to trash and hold it a little over there -
[Galaxy S I9000 General] lokhor:
I'm sure the Desire Z doesn't have the same lag issues or GPS issues as the SGS plus it comes with 2.2 so no worries about a delayed release.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] czater:
oh yeah but I think that better is having fixable problems than no fixable problem like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd6DKd_gMO8&feature=player_embedded and like memory problem ;)

Also

THERE IS'T

device without

ANY

problem but we can chose device with fixable problem ;)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] lokhor:
The G2 and Desire Z are slightly different. The Desire Z only has 2GB memory the G2 is supposed to have 4. Some units didn't ship with this and was obviously a mistake they will remedy. As for the loose hinge issue, it is only affecting some phones not all and I'm sure the newer batches being produced will not exhibit this. The SGS file system problems do not appear to have a real official solution coming at all so we will have to rely on XDA Developers to come up with solutions that no one is sure are safe.

I would rather buy a phone that had hardware issues and I could RMA then a phone with intermittent software problems that there has been no commitment (from Samsung) to fixing.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] andrewluecke:
This is why most companies don't open up development. Because people seem to make assumptions based on pre-release firmware..

I wouldn't place too much faith on XDA, the harsh reality is that none of us have done proper profiling and a lot of the lag issue at least, is based on basic evidence. They might not need to dump RFS to fix the problems..
[Galaxy S I9000 General] compuse:
Yes, since it's hard to get your hands on a sgs these days, they'll get shipped with the latests builds.

Seems everybody that complains, fiddled to much with the phone and already has it for some time now :)

and no drag drop problems on my jpk build tho, only slow scrolling after you pinched the menu for full oversight.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] daft.71:
HTC Desire Z

With the HTC Desire Z coming on Bell network, I'm seriously thinking about ditching my rather brand new Galaxy S (which is actually a replacement I got for my previously bricked one) for it.

I'd lose .3 inch for the screen size and the super amoled, but gain a sliding keyboard and Froyo among other things.

Please, try to convince me to not spend 499$CDN+taxes or should I just go ahead and forget the lousy lagged filesystem we have on the galaxy S?

Or is the grass always greener elsewhere and once I have the desire Z, I'll have issues there too...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] KaliKot:
dont forget the 16gb internal SD and front camera. But yeah I want one of those new Desires Zs or Desire HDs :(
[Galaxy S I9000 General] daft.71:
Actually, I bought a 16GB "external" SD and used that one for my stuff since I don't trust their internal SD for anything other than the 2G for applications.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] alovell83:
Can you further explain? I assume you mean data corruption, but maybe not. I think I've read more stories of external SD corruption on the SGS than internal, but I don't prob the threads too deep. Is this just a guy feeling you have?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] daft.71:
I was talking about the fact that my previous Galaxy S was no longer able to work with the internal SD. The external SD was never affected by anything and I still have the data I had stored on it from the previous phone to the new one.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] rasebo:
It is really your decision. You will be the one using the phone, not us. Also, I think you already made up your mind, and nothing we'll tell you would make any difference so, if you ask me, this thread is kinda useless.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] pharaohdk:
indeed it is
[Galaxy S I9000 General] sargasso:
I just don't get those tiny keyboards. My fingers are to big for them and if I learned anything is that mechanics - like the slide - will be prone to failure.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Bec07:
Desire vs Galaxy S

Well in theory Desire has higher Linpak scores, better floaring point performance, etc...

But, ladies and gentlemen, the the truth is:

http://gizmodo.com/5580123/quake-2-test-htc-desire-vs-samsung-galaxy-s

So what do you think?

I sure am glad I didn't make the mistake of choosing HTC :))
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Bess833:
I myself bought a new phone recently and was deciding between SGS and Desire. And even though I knew about the possible issues on the SGS, I went for it.

Now running XWJM8 and OCLF and I am 100% satisfied. Not looking back;)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] xavierzutafun:
Well, it's obvious that you cannot compare the GPU power of PowerVR SGX540 in Galaxy S (90 million triangles, software limited to 45 million) with Snapdragon's "up to 22 million" triangles on Desire...

There is one topic about it over here, but I cannot post direct links yet...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] KaliKot:
ahh, i see that you're on the Bell model which has the Internal SD issues.

Good point sargasso, but they do have uses
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Bec07:
Well I'll be honest with you, Snapdragon = cheap crap, those who use it are usually crappy manufacturers, the same ones that have run winmo into the ground for years.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] t1mman:
Flip keyboard makes it large as a brick... don't know if the Desire Z 14.2mm vs 9.9 mm, that's pretty larger :S

Froyo should be out "eventually" for Galaxy S

Overall performance from Galaxy's should be waayyy better! And since everything is so much "eye candy", it's not realy a neglectable point.

Photo quality is impressive even when lightings are not that great, night mode is giving amazing result...I was sceptical at first at the "no flash led" but woah... who needs it with this thing!!

The only downer I get *as of now* from the galaxy S is the gps is not realy precise (as compared to a vogue with Froyo). But overall, the device is great!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] KaliKot:
HTC shines on senseui but nothing tops Samsung's hardware atm, at least not for the near future.

I hope those guys are successful in porting SenseUI to the SGS

Even those rumored 1.2ghz Motorola phones probably won't be faster than the Galaxy S
[Galaxy S I9000 General] xavierzutafun:
Well, apparently Desire HD won over Galaxy S in Neocore benchmark, but that one is actually made by Quallcomm, so god knows, if it can be trusted. New Snapdragon chips with Adreno 205 are powerful, but most probably not as powerful as PowerVR SGX 540...But that's just for a loooong discussion...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] cantIntoCode:
The Galaxy S' GPU is just sheer power compared to most other phones on the market, and the Hummingbird is miles ahead of the snapdragon...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] daft.71:
The major show stopper for me are:

1) lag

2) gps

I won't be fixing the lag because I already went thru 1 SGS and went thru hell to get a replacement unit. If this one dies, I'm switching brand.

Otherwise, it is an amazing device.

Point 1) could also be because this is my first Android, and I have no point of reference. Maybe all android phones "lag". Maybe not as much as the SGS, but...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Bec07:
I recently read an article about how intel is actually years behind nVidia as video processing is far more demanding than the synthetic calculations done by the CPU.

I used to have the N82 and playing quake 2 was a flawless experience, if desire can't handle such a simple task the hardware is obviously outdated.

No matter how much they clock the CPU video performance just won't happen.

Powerful HWA is the secret sauce and fortunately android relies a lot on it.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] opensourcefan:
All devices have issues. You just don't hear of them cause you don't have them all. That being said IMHO I think the HTC devices are better supported. If software is a BIG factor for you then for sure the Z will be the better choice. If hardware is the BIG factor you ie the S-AMOLED screen, 4", weight, FFCamera, button layout then you may wanna stick with the SGS.

Froyo will make it better as well, I would maybe wait until Froyo is out and you have tried it before making your decision at least that's what I'm doing ;)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] daft.71:
I'm hot tempered. And a short attention span. Two "qualities" that don't especially mixes when it comes to gadgets.

I'm fully aware that grass is always greener on the other side. I absolutely adore Android and the SGS is a really nice device. I haven't used the front facing camera yet. Maybe when Google Talk is officially enhanced to support it like the gmail version it'll be a different story.

I'm ambivalent for the hardware keyboard. With Swiftkey, Swype or SlideIT, I can type pretty fast. And I like the word prediction of Swiftkey.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] xavierzutafun:
Well, here's my idea: I think that until now Android was just developing and no company was actually bothered about the gpu performance until this year. But as the Android market is growing rapidly, the developers are beginning to be interested and they have already started developing high quality 3D games, such as Gameloft, for example. This kind of game experience has been iPhone's privilege, but this is changing - until last year I believed, that there was no better phone for occasional gaming than the iPhone (I owned E90->iPhone->iPhone 3G->iPhone 3GS) - but that has changed and now the hardware races will start even amongst the Android devices and since new phones based on Android do appear more frequently (due to the rise of the market and Android support), I believe that Android will soon have no competition, when it comes to occasional smartphone gaming.

That's what I think :)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Darkstriker:
Can we make this easy:

The Snapdragon has the GPU intergrated in the the CPU which allows the Snapdragon to score very high on the FPU calculations on Benchmarks like Linpack, HOWEVER, the Hummingbird has a not very bad score for FPU operations and has a dedicated (but seperate) GPU next to the CPU which is NOT utilized by programs such as Linpack and the benchmark from qualcomm (for obvious reasons). That is also the reason, the new Qualcomm CPUs score higher in that 3D bench because it simply doesn't use the SGX540 in the Hummingbird because that would be bad for Qualcomms promotion.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] jam3sjam3s:
Not true. Actually they score equally, 'coz SGS is limited to 56 fps. It just reaches its cap and can't go further.

If you want real comparison, check GLBenchmark results. There DHD scores 1400 frames and SGS scores 1900 frames.

So DHD can't be said to be as good as SGS, let alone Desire.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Beast11:
I'm joining you in getting the Desire Z. I dont want to risk my 2nd Galaxy S messing up. Gonna switch back to HTC, a reliable company... Hopefully i dont lose too much on the resale of my Galaxy S...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Bec07:
Actually this thread was made for actual experience rather than synthetic benchmarks.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] madmack:
for me, the biggest problem with the desire Z so far is the root kit problem. which means we won't be able to permanently root the device, load our custom roms (i developed a distaste to sense ui and would jump on vanilla the day its out).

while I think our devices here will eventually get all these good roms due to the unlocked nature of the bootloader and the popularity of the device ! 5 million and counting.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] KaliKot:
whats the use of getting an HTC over a Samsung if youre not gonna use senseui anyway?

(Well other than the keyboard)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] madmack:
physical LED (which am addicted to), keyboard (is always a biggie for me) and a flash for the camera in the back to name a few things.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Darkimmortal:
I know a couple of people with Desires and having seen my Galaxy S, wish they had got one instead. Looking at the two side by side it's not hard to see why. The Desire looks like a borderline purple business phone, and the overall android experience is noticeably laggy.

On the other hand, the Galaxy S looks and feels as good as if not better than the iPhone 4 (imho) and I have had a flawless (other than GPS) experience on a stock JM1 ROM after installing the OCLF. Everyone else I know with an android phone (including the Desire) have had to go installing custom roms purely for performance reasons, as well as messing with overclocking etc.

Also inb4 fanboy - I've only had this thing for ~3 weeks and was previously a samsung phone hater.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] lithicus:
2 is not a few things... Sounds to me like the OP had already decided long ago to get this phone. Why ask us at all? This, to me, seems like just another "never buying samsung again" thread, though it's not nearly as infuriating.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Oletros:
If is made of actual experience, then Snapdragon beats Hummingbird.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] daft.71:
Don't misunderstand me, I intend to buy a new TV from Samsung. I'm not dumb. I can appreciate the SGS for what it is. The screen is amazing for one thing and the hardware itself is really nice.

The lag is infuriating tho. And having been burn by one bricked SGS, I'm quite hesitant in doing anything that isn't standard and official Samsung.

Of course, maybe I'm just asking too much of the device and even the Desire Z would "lag" too (at least for me).
[Galaxy S I9000 General] andrewluecke:
Umm, we don't know that, and if you only use your phone for Linpack/benchmarking (which a few people seem to be doing here), then yes, the experience might be worse.

But no, it most likely depends on the workloads. In real life, none of your programs use Linpack for anything.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Oletros:
Mmm, no, forgetting synthetic benchmarks, the experience I had with Snapdragon phones (Nexus and DEsire) is better than with Hummingbird (SGS), real life apps, not benchmarks.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] paul c:
I'm interested to hear about a real-world comparison, because all this "my CPU's bigger/better than yours" does not really help.

For example, my (motor)bike does 0-60mph in just over 3 seconds - so if acceleration was the key to purchasing vehicles, the roads would be full of bikes (no bad thing, but a bit OT).

OK, so the SGS wins on paper - but I'm forever reading about the infamous lag, due to how the h/w & memory use is configured. So how does that get factored into this comparison, re the actual user experience?

(prepares to get flamed)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ascottuk:
I honestly do not believe that the desire was very laggy, i have owned both and in real life usage the desire was quicker and less laggy. I believe the sgs has better hardware i really do think the cpu is stronger but the software sucks, samsung have a long way to go before being on htc's level for implementing an operating system.

You can put a veyron engine in a 3 wheeled van, it doesnt make it fast or useable.

Until samsung get the software right the desire will be more useable on a day to day basis using multiple app's

And as for synthetic benchmarks yes they show the gpu performance but come on its just bragging rights
[Galaxy S I9000 General] chichoko:
This guy pretty much nailed it.. having used both phones.. as far as everyday use goes, im glad i didnt swap my Desire for the SGS. Especially now that we are getting Sense 2.0.

As for which cpu/gpu is better.. all i can say is that all the games available on the Android Market are playable with steady fps by both phones.. so whats the point bragging about the obvious power of the hummingbird since in everyday use it doesnt make any difference at all?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Bec07:
Well it really does make the difference for HD video encoding decoding + playing quake 2 and the army of underpowered HTC android devices does nothing else than pushing development of high quality games back. (yes, that's why iPhone has better games)

Sense is good, no actually great, but launchers like launcher pro plus really turn this into a no value argument.

Also this thread is about real life performance as I'm not talking about synthetic benchmarks.

I'm talking about Quake 2 Which I used to play on my Nokia N82 almost 3 years ago which ran perfectly on 640x480 tv-out. Guess what, so did quake 3. So far I wonder if it'll run on desire HD...

I understand that if you own a desire this whole thread makes you feel bad and insecure, but the fact still remains that HTC has used obsolete hardware in all the devices so far.

Sure it's not fair to point fingers as Samsung makes their own hardware and can choose whatever CPU architecture and design they want but the fact is that HTC IS HOLDING ANDROID BACK!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Bec07:
No, that's the point, Snapdragon wins on paper and that's all it wins. SGS wins in real life.

The file system is no longer an issue with the latest updates (no HW issue here) but if you use the so called lag fix that is basically nothing more than a buffer, file access becomes blazing fast! This can be implemented on any android device with the same result.

As for RFS (ridiculous file system) it's a poor choice from samsung's part as, d'uh, ext2 is an obvious perfect choice.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] daft.71:
Which updates?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Bec07:
JPH and up.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Ramsey:
at max volume it's very loud (For me) so I never keep it max but 2 steps back or one step back..
[Galaxy S I9000 General] saldawop:
Thanks, good to know.The more I see of this phone, the more I think it will be what I end up going for.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] esiemi:
hey guys, im also deciding between the two. currently have moto milestone and going to sell it.. mainly due to the locked bootloader :(

leaning towards galaxy, two concerns though..

samsung's support is the first one, everyone moans at samsungs support for their devices i.e. firmware update. we might see 2.2 update in 2 weeks or 2 years time, who knows?

and the second is GPS, seen some reports regarding inaccurate GPS.

BTW galaxy's bootloader is not locked like milestone by any chance is it? so even if sammy stop the support we can have custom roms for 2.2 and after?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] aeo087:
I find it hard to believe that general operation is faster on the Desire. Do you have the international unlocked version? if not, have you removed all the bloatware and modifications from Vodafone, Singtel, or other carriers? It has been proven that the modifications made to the OS by the carriers really reduce the UI responsiveness of the SGS...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] DrBarrell:
I am also on the verge of purchase, and would love if someone was kind enough to post example camera shots from each phone :) also does anyone have any idea when it will be released on orange? It current labelled as 'coming soon' on their website.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] NZtechfreak:
Yes, both are internal unlocked versions.

The Galaxy S hangs momentarily here and there, its within limits for sure, but it simply not as smooth as the Desire in general operation. TouchWiz isn't as optimised as Sense I guess.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] mark99uk:
The SGS website states that it does have flash lite enabled. Also numerous reviews mention flash sites work too, in the same way as the Desire.

Also.. there is an apk you load taken from the nexus one, that gives full flash 10 support, I have seen the thread somewhere.

With regards to some users reporting minor lags here and there in comparison to the Desire, do you guys think that is due to TouchWizz, and that by using Launcher Pro instead, it speeds it up to be faster than the Desire? Can anyone confirm this?

I too am very tempted by the SGS. I currently have the Desire.

Someone pointed out that the browser isnt as good... in what way? I would imagine it is faster tho?

the Galaxy S runs the TouchWizz interface (that is far too similar to the iphone for me)

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but you can also turn it of and use just standard Android.. which do you prefer? :dunno:

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[Galaxy S I9000 General] mark99uk:
Id reccomend going to see one in a store.. the build quality looked fine to me.. and much better than i had expected compared to reading reviews which pick up on it. It also looked quality/expensive in real life.

i guess there is very little things to be critical of on this phone because it is so good, so build quality (the only real negative) is always laboured in reviews where it can appear more of an issue than it really is.