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[HTC 7 Pro] sh4d0w86:
hope you dont mind...

added your link to original post.

thanks.

not being able to remove the memory card is a good idea. in my opinion.

i dont know. i have a 4gb. and have never once removed it since installing it.

with windows phone 7... you will be able to play your music in the background.

now. on Oct. 29 this was announced ---> linky.

my experience with android is the xdandroid port for the rhodium.

based on that. i dislike android.

i have my fingers crossed for...

windows mobile 6.5 being shoehorned onto the htc 7 pro.

else. i will be babying my rhodium for a long, long time. i think.

in HTC 7 Pro news...

Microsoft employees are able to pre-order the HTC 7 Pro. as of Nov. 08.

link added to original post.
[HTC 7 Pro] defaultdotxbe:
thats only beneath the lock screen though, i still dont think youll be able to have music playing while running other apps

another question is, will any music apps even be approved, or will MS decide that WMP is all anyone will ever need?

on another note, a WM 6.5.5 "downgrade" for the 7 would be awesome
[HTC 7 Pro] sh4d0w86:
yes. true. but it is a step it the right direction.

microsoft is only doing this because of the iphone.

the masses need to be told what they want.

like what apple did. microsoft realizes this.

now. they are trying to do the same.

...cant recall where i read it.

but copy and paste is in the works. even.

by the time htc 7 pro hits the shelves...

who knows. perhaps we'll have what we desire.
[HTC 7 Pro] cajunflavoredbob:
The only music player confirmed to work in the background so far is the Windows Media player app. For anything else, you have to have it in the foreground and then lock the screen for it to continue working.

Copy & paste is scheduled to hit the OS as an update some time in first quarter 2011.
[HTC 7 Pro] SpinalRemains:
If copy and paste is indeed added, along with a file explorer so that we can ideed use our devices in a somewhat identical fashion to how we do now, the I will most certainly be going this route. As of now though, I've been reading a lot of comments and it certainly does seem that the fart apps and the social networking is ruining our phones. I see lots of you guys do not want all that bull**** either. A pocket PC should be just that. A pocket device for you to do practical, effective chores on. A great file explorer and copy/Paste will be greatly appreciated tho.

_ will be sticking with TP2 until I see proof of WP7 being practical and for adults.
[HTC 7 Pro] SpinalRemains:
I will most definitely be jumping ship a lot sooner than expected. It seems us loyal Windows Mobile users are being phased out by 3rd party devs now. Skyfire has been completely turned off for Windows Mobile, as to add bandwidth for the oh so important Apple users. This totally sucks. I can see wanting to change, but it's just a dirty feeling when you're forced to. I hope Windows Phone 7 can compete with these other 2 OS, or it will just be another phase out in 2 years.
[HTC 7 Pro] deeken:
So AT&T unveiled their new lineup of crappy Winmo 7 phones. Nothing looks good. The HTC Surround, the Samsung Focus and the LG Quantum are all underwhelming. I was hoping for they would get that 7 Pro but there is no word of yet. I would much rather stay with my Tilt 2 over any of these. Looks like I won't be getting a new phone this year.
[HTC 7 Pro] cajunflavoredbob:
The 7 Pro is scheduled to hit Sprint in Q1 2011. There were also some rumors of it being available in Britain, meaning there is at least some hope of a GSM version. It also means that by the time it is available, it will be even more underwhelming six months from now, when every other device is getting an upgrade in hardware. 1.5GHz processors and dual cores are right around the corner for mobile devices. It's kind of a shame that the same thing happened to the Touch Pro2.
[HTC 7 Pro] deeken:
Yes I heard those rumors too, but if there are any chance of any of the GSM carriers picking this up it will be too late. And with all the restrictions put in place by Windows Mobile 7 is hard to get excited about anything MS is coming out with. I do not mind the tilt 2 but after having it for over a year I was hoping to get a comparable upgrade but no dice this season.
[HTC 7 Pro] Ramsfan_Jim:
The 7 Pro would be a downgrade from the TP2 anyway, as it does not support flash memory - so will have a maximum of 16gb. I wouldn't bother waiting if I were you - but then no-one else appears to be producing anything better than the TP2 yet.
[HTC 7 Pro] sleze:
Sigh. As cool is the hardware is on this phone, I fear that WM is dead.

Long live WM. (Android will be the OS of my next phone)
[HTC 7 Pro] cajunflavoredbob:
Technically, none of the WP7 devices support flash memory save for the Samsung Focus. Normally there is a microSD card hidden somewhere in the underbelly that can be swapped out with a hard reset. Even the HD7 has 8GB NAND and 8GB microSD. The Focus only comes with 8GB NAND with the option to add a SD later, again at the cost of a hard reset. WP7 uses the flash memory in a sort of simple RAID 0 array.

Either way, there is just no beating the amazing keyboard we have in this device line. That's the biggest problem. Only the Dell Venue Pro has a physical keyboard at all. It's only usable in portrait mode. My number one decision maker when I was considering a new device was the keyboard. There is nothing else even close the the fantastic keyboard on the TP2.
[HTC 7 Pro] dwboston:
I agree. WP7 in its current form doesn't interest me in any way. It has an interesting UI, but with way too many shortcomings, and it's irritating that MSFT has chosen to abandon its business users and WM loyalists with a blatant copy of the iPhone model.

My next phone will be an Android one as well. I'm thinking about the Dell Streak. I finally saw one in person at Best Buy last weekend and it's very impressive, even with Android 1.6 on it.
[HTC 7 Pro] F2504x4:
I hope everyone of you is sending a link to this thread to HTC and Microsoft..let them at least hear what a disappointment theses new phones are..:(
[HTC 7 Pro] cajunflavoredbob:
Unfortunately, this is the new direction the company is going. It is more important to M$ to cater to the masses than to provide a professional level mobile device. "Fart apps" generate more money than almost any reasonable program we normally use.

The general public is just ignorant of the power of these devices and companies like Microsoft and Apple cater to them. I operate a PC repair business, and I find it unusual if a customer can even tell me which operating system they use. It's even worse in the mobile environment.

This complete ignorance of the simplest mechanics of the design is causing the big companies to "play down" to the consumers. The minimum operating specs of a WP7 device is more than adequate to run a plethora of software from all types of venues, yet they seem to focus more on media content than the utilities that drew us towards the Mobile OS in the first place.

As I've said, however, even if we rant and rave, our voices are but a drop in the bucket. In order to make them see what they are doing to the platform, we would need to educate the populous to such a degree where the majority would have need of their devices in the same manner we do. I speak, of course, from a business point of view here.

The inability to function with the device without a connection to the Internet is also another HUGE caveat. Most features cannot be accessed without a data plan of some sort. You can't even install an application to the device without access to the Internet. EVERY single program you install to the WP7 device HAS to come from the Marketplace.

I understand M$ wanting to protect their devices and monitor quality, but one of the best things about WM was the ability to install an application as easily as tapping the screen. This allows for near limitless potential in developing applications and having the ability to "pick and choose" features that you like from an install. I can't tell you the number of times I've modified a cab to make the application do as I please. I'm not a fan of programs "phoning home," so that is normally the first thing to go from any of them whether mobile or desktop. Removing such a vital component cripples the end users rights to software that was legitimately paid for.

Once a person pays for their software, it belongs to that person. There is no taking it back without approval. WP7 features a remote "kill switch" that can remotely uninstall software from your device. I understand the reasons for this and sympathize with M$ for this design. I DO NOT agree with it, however. They have promised to only use this feature in dire situations, but just the thought of that being an option is unsettling to me.

For these reasons and more, I am steering clear of WP7 until we see some development on them. It would be nice to see WM6.5.3 on the 7 Pro, but I don't even know if that is possible at this point. Porting WM onto a device that doesn't run it is nearly impossible. I look forward to the options we'll see in the future, but, for now, I'll be sticking with my Rhodium.
[HTC 7 Pro] sigma20xx:
OMG, OMG, OMG!!! I can't hardly wait. I don't think I could have held out for much longer. I was ssssssseriously conssidering getting the samsung epic. Now I don't have to.
[HTC 7 Pro] deeken:
Check out this beautiful concept of a touch pro:

http://nak-design.over-blog.fr/pages/NAK_HD_-3402050.html
[HTC 7 Pro] pickles319:
This really should have been the upgrade to the original Touch PRo IMO, but I think im gonna switch to the Desire HD when i have an upgrade.
[HTC 7 Pro] Ramsfan_Jim:
That does look really good - although I'm undecided whether I prefer a slide-out keyboard or a 'clamshell'. Which operating system would you put on it though? Android?:confused:
[HTC 7 Pro] cajunflavoredbob:
WP7 SD card info

Here's an interesting read that I came across about the way WP7 uses the SD cards included and why they aren't supposed to be user-replaceable. In my opinion, the features of this method are minor compared to hot swapping memory in my mobile device. NAND memory would have been mush better with an empty SD slot.

Here's the article.
[HTC 7 Pro] Ramsfan_Jim:
I feel EXACTLY the same way. For the first time I am now seriously looking at Android devices - potentially the Desire Z.
[HTC 7 Pro] mw22:
I think a WP7 Touch Pro 7 running mob 6.5 would be AWESOME!!!
[HTC 7 Pro] DebbieNY13:
I played with the new WM7 devices that AT&T has on offer and the only one that comes close to my liking is the LG Quantum. Nice keyboard, feels sturdy in the hand, and the camera has a flash, but with the price tag, I'm not convinced about the new OS though. I'm no techie and I don't understand a lot of the specs, so I bow to your combined knowledge. ;)

After reading many of your impressions of these devices, I'm glad that I just bought a near mint Tilt 2 (with a crap load of accessories) as a back up on Ebay for $149 shipped. :D

Debbie

... Will be driving my Tilt 2 for as long as I can! :p
[HTC 7 Pro] mw22:
You not the only one

I tried the tattoo (android) and after flaming and writing my arse off to Google who promptly ignored me and closed my google account down by saying that "I dont own it"

IU went back and bought a brand new TPro 2 flashed it to stock wm6.5 and boy it works like a dream

Back on the fence to my upgrade in sept next year

Will see how the landscape looks like then as by then all the trash will have washed out to sea and the working ones will have remained.

(gone for coffee break)

(Got to change my line below bacl to Tpro2 not bloddy tattoo)
[HTC 7 Pro] mw22:
Ja got signature right now
[HTC 7 Pro] sh4d0w86:
well. well. look what we have here...

HTC 7 Pro Accessories are showing up on... eBay.

sh4d0w86.
[HTC 7 Pro] cajunflavoredbob:
That looks almost identical to the case that came with my TP2 from T-Mobile. The only difference is that mine has htc embossed on the side.
[HTC 7 Pro] sh4d0w86:
gsm version of 7 Pro going to make its way across the pond to american soil?

appears like it.

...just noticed.

on htc's 7 pro specification page...

gsm frequencies for both europe and asia/pacific.

here.

and those frequencies are US GSM Carrier frequencies.

no 3g specifications though.

sh4d0w86.
[HTC 7 Pro] cajunflavoredbob:
GSM tends to always be quad band in devices nowadays. We're just waiting for 3G to get with the program and be penta band so we won't have all this waiting every time a cool new device comes out.
[HTC 7 Pro] textron:
I wonder how windows 6.5 would run on Galaxy S hardware. Though what aps does Windows Mobile really have that take advantage of hardware like Android and Iphone?

Problem with Windows mobile has been the lack of easy apps(you have to be a geek to find what you need or they are too expensive) and poor specs for complexity of the operating system leading too a sluggish experience.

I was expecting WM7 to break the UI sluggishness and uniform the hardware so it was really powerful enough to run properly but keeping the powerful multitasking OS behind it going plus the freedom it allowed.

I have been playing with a WM7 emulator and it doesn't seem too bad but I am hoping that this phone won't essentially become a Zunephone. Hopefully they can break away from being a Zunephone and don't get all dictator like Apple has.
[HTC 7 Pro] taotek:
Sweet... I still have a TP2, but as soon as this baby comes out im going to get me one :)
[HTC 7 Pro] sh4d0w86:
well. well. htc 7 pro unlocked pricing...

and what is this..?

unofficial word of gsm version for america?

and according to this...

the htc 7 pro is expected real soon...

all discovered here.

and again...

expected in Q4'10 from here.

also.

discovered a windows phone 7 vs ios 4.1 video...

it is the htc 7 pro vs the iphone 4.

video found on youtube here.

sh4d0w86.
[HTC 7 Pro] cajunflavoredbob:
I will probably buy it and hope for the awesome devs here to get WM6.5 running on it. Presumably, it is similar hardware to the TP2, with the addition of a 1GHz processor and capacitive touch screen. It is even supposed to have a dedicated GPU just as the TP2 does. This is what the TP2 should have been in the first damn place. It should have been the HD2 with a keyboard....
[HTC 7 Pro] sh4d0w86:
i absolutely agree.

i know rhodium wont see wp7.

but i have hopes that devs will shoehorn winmo 6.5 onto the 7 pro.

...i still wish the 7 pro would have a 4in screen opposed to the 3.7in.

and of course a more up-to-date cpu.

sh4d0w86.
[HTC 7 Pro] cajunflavoredbob:
Exactly. It seems we're doomed to always be a step behind. I can't help but deal with it since I've been in love with this keyboard forever. It seems that there's a stubborn few of us that hate the Metro UI. I hate how simple it looks. Sense is amazingly bright and colorful with so much eye-candy...
[HTC 7 Pro] sh4d0w86:
again. agreed.

the rhodium's keyboard is to die for.

i havent ever encountered a better keyboard.

and the only one i have seen to come close in comparison is the epic 4g.

though. i must admit.

i dont mind the look of metro ui.

though. i have never played with it.

sh4d0w86.
[HTC 7 Pro] cajunflavoredbob:
I like how light the interface is, but not the look. I'd gladly give up that speed for eye-candy. That is evidenced by my ROM of choice: Energy. :) I've played with it a few times, and I've even installed a WP7 theme to my device to get a feel for the 7 Pro, but I'm not a fan. I wish HTC could take over this one again with Sense...
[HTC 7 Pro] F2504x4:
but what is this ?

Memory

Phonebook

Practically unlimited entries and fields, Photocall

Call records Practically unlimited

Internal 8/16 GB storage, 448 MB RAM, 512 MB ROM

Card slot No
[HTC 7 Pro] cajunflavoredbob:
The only WP7 device with a user accessible SD slot is the Samsung Focus. Even that one is having issues with the cards. None of the WP7 devices have hotswapable SD slots. When you hard rest the device with the card in it, the device bonds the SD to the device in a sort of RAID 0 array.

Most of the WP7 devices have a microSD card that is being used for its internal memory. Only the Focus is supposed to be accessible to the user. I really hope that the 7 Pro has NAND memory instead of the SD, though. It's sooooo much faster. :)
[HTC 7 Pro] sh4d0w86:
i read an article on engadget that said Microsoft will be offering microSD cards that are windows phone 7 certified. i will try and find that article. but from what i have read, you arent supposed to swap out the memory card, even in the samsung focus because of that 'raid 0 array' setup.

sh4d0w86.
[HTC 7 Pro] cajunflavoredbob:
I read that same article. The official word is still not to touch the cards, though. I'm glad that MS is implementing the security features of SD cards, when the vast majority of companies do not. I would much prefer to have a hot-swapable SD card and NAND memory, though, as we have always had with WM. NAND is sooooo much faster than SD memory. There's just too much about WP7 that disappoints me to be excited for it.
[HTC 7 Pro] HDR:
Not very impressive at all, looks like I'll be sticking to my TP2 for a long, long time...unless someone figured out a way to get WM6.5 onto these new phones.

Only reasonable upgrade I see for a while is the xpPhone... http://en.xpphone.com/product/specification.html
[HTC 7 Pro] DarkShadowMX:
Looks so good... and also like it'd be so expensive... -_-
[HTC 7 Pro] cajunflavoredbob:
Most devices are when they first come out. I got my Rhodium for around $500 originally. They're dirt cheap now that they're old(er) devices, but it wasn't always so.
[HTC 7 Pro] sh4d0w86:
O2 Germany declares HTC 7 Pro due next month, January 2011. here.

engadget's article about it can be found here.

sh4d0w86.

...also. updated original post...
[HTC 7 Pro] cmonex:
I'm not going to say anything new here: I would love to use this thing as my main phone, but wp7 has to be fixed up first... =)

until then, I'll just keep using my rhodium/tp2... it's getting a bit old but I can't see anything better for me at the moment.
[HTC 7 Pro] WhyBe:
In a phone, I want to see:

-Glass

-Metal

-Well lit keyboard

What's with this surround sound crap? You can't have surround sound unless you have speakers.....surrounding you! :confused:

If MS optimizes WP7 for landscape, I may check this out but it doesn't look to appealing in the pics.
[HTC 7 Pro] gazgiz79:
I was hoping for a 4" screen not a smaller screen than my touch pro 2.
[HTC 7 Pro] sh4d0w86:
recently. went on a trip to los angeles, california.

went to a few carrier stores...

asked when to expect the arrival of the htc 7 pro...

at&t wireless said to expect the 7 pro march or april.

t-mobile said to expect the 7 pro in march before at&t wireless.

sprint said to expect the phone in the february or march.

so. unfortunately. sounds like the htc 7 pro wont be arriving till spring.

sh4d0w86.
[HTC 7 Pro] cajunflavoredbob:
I'm pretty sure O2 is a GSM company in Germany. The 7 Pro will be on sale with them next week. This means it shouldn't be long before this is available in the states with a GSM carrier.

Here's the source article.
[HTC 7 Pro] sh4d0w86:
not sure how i clicked the thanks button... but whatever.

you are always being helpful.

yes. o2 germany is a gsm network.

just saw that article. as well.

i dislike that image though...

still no wp7 landscape support?

sh4d0w86.
[HTC 7 Pro] cajunflavoredbob:
We just have to wait for the brilliant minds at XDA to get Windows Embedded Handheld (continued M$ support of WM6.5.3) onto this thing.
[HTC 7 Pro] sh4d0w86:
HTC 7 Pro now available on O2 Germany.

€29 down and €22.50 monthly for 2 years.

or €599 flat fee.

source...

HTC 7 Pro now available on O2 Germany, €22 monthly or €599 up front

sh4d0w86.
[HTC 7 Pro] cajunflavoredbob:
Here's some more news about the 7 Pro courtesy of Engadget.

HTC 7 Pro and Gratia get anglicized, heading to the UK in February
[HTC 7 Pro] schumifer1:
I was thinking that i would have to save up to buy this new and better TP2 , but i can now save my money for something else.

Seriously now.The /crappy beyond description/ camera on the TP2 couldn't do anything but get better. (And i do feel deceived for the camera my phone carries in the year 2010!)

So we also have the processor, the RAM (no big deal, i already have plenty), multi-touch (also not necessary)On the other hand, somebody hand me a tissue.

NO front camera (wtf?no room left?LOL), NOT Gorilla Glass display(hey it's only been available on other phones for like 1 year if not more!!!), no cut&paste (for the love of God, is it against company policy to get it right the first time, you have to go and do it wrong like Apple and then come back with a fix?), no SD card (not a big deal if you have 16 gigs already available though).

I feel content with my TP2 but if a wise xda'er figures out how to run wm6.5 natively in HD7 pro count me in. Otherwise, TP2 is just fine!
[HTC 7 Pro] sh4d0w86:
one. by the time the 7 Pro is available to the majority of the world, cut and paste will be possible in Windows Phone 7.

two. Gorilla Glass is hardly on any phones...

three. microSD slot is just not user-accessible. the mass population doesnt need for than 16GB, anyhow.

four. most American phones still dont come with a front-facing camera. it is most the carrier's fault (i read this somewhere, cant recall the source, though).

five. Windows Phone 7 was supposed to be the 'equal' to iOS. which is the reason it is so dumbed-down. Microsoft is trying to get into the mass market like Apple did.

yes. true. the 7 Pro is basically just a Rhodium on steroids.

aka. faster processor. more ram. more memory. 0.1" larger screen. 1mm thinner.

sh4d0w86.
[HTC 7 Pro] mw22:
Ha well

Reckon just stay on my TP2 after all

Good thing my contract only renews in Sept 2011

Maybe they will have the dual core cell fones out like the LG optimus 2X ????

Maybe people here will have gotten WM 6.5 to run onb touch Pro 3 and make it the awesome fone that it should be !!!!

Come on guys lets start flashing again
[HTC 7 Pro] cajunflavoredbob:
Unboxing Video

It seems the European 7 Pros have begun shipping. They are nice looking devices overall and look very similar to the Rhodium. The main difference that I saw was that the screen tilt action flips the screen out and tilts it automatically. It's a spring loaded mechanism that flips the screen out to about a 35 degree angle or so. There seems to be a flash on the back of the device this time around as well. There's an unboxing video below courtesy of PocketNow.com.

HTC 7 Pro unboxing video

HTC 7 Pro Hardware Tour
[HTC 7 Pro] SpinalRemains:
It's such a nice looking device. It really does focus on the aspects that drew the TP2 users to the device. The keyboard is perfect and the tilt aspect is nice. The size is perfect as I find the Evo 4 inchers are too big. The device would simply be perefection if the OS showed me something. It's like trying to get the prize but it keeps moving away an inch atta time. So dam close

It definitely seems that most if not all of us on this thread are a dying breed. We love the TP2 (Rhodium) because of the great keyboard and the customization of Winmo. It actually does things that are useful. For the love of god; how are fart apps and dice games more favorable to syncing options and custom setups? Is the world really getting this ignorant? It's actually sad at this point. Literally.
[HTC 7 Pro] Ramsfan_Jim:
Agree entirely - such a shame this doesn't have a decent operating system. Having said that, it does LOOK very similar to the Desire Z (even the box looks the same) - which DOES have a decent operating system...
[HTC 7 Pro] erickzonoliva:
good phone!

is a good phone but I do not come to my country
[HTC 7 Pro] cajunflavoredbob:
HTC7 Pro Software Tour

It seems very nice, but landscape support is limited. Also, it is hindered by a sub-standard operating system.

HTC 7 Pro Software Tour
[HTC 7 Pro] sh4d0w86:
Sprint announcing it's HTC 7 Pro on February 24th?

Sprint's tweeter post seems that way...

information thanks to engadget.com.

original link.

also.

updated original post.

sh4d0w86.