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[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
I think you're missing the point.

If the HD2 made a great device, then they would have just kept using it. They dropped it to use real WP7 devices because the HD2 had outlived it's usefulness to them.

You miss out on a lot. You won't even be able to install apps from the Marketplace. "Jailbreaking" WP7 won't be trivial because the OS is designed unlike iOS and Android/WebOS (which function somewhat like desktop OSes on the phone). I'm pretty sure Microsoft will be looking out for Manufacturers that leave native code on their phones prone to attack -in the future - and all WP7 apps (third party) are sandboxed. Microsoft saock Apps with vulnurabilities will be patched in record time.

Jailbreaking WP7 through an app will be like trying to hack a desktop Windows PC through IE Protected Mode (at which point you're dependent on user error (i.e. clicking the wrong option in a UAC prompt, etc.), but the user won't have the chance to make a similar error on WP7)

What you don't need today may be needed tomorrow. A lot of WP7 functionality depends on the phones ability to authenticate. It will work as a basic feature-phone no problem, though, and perhaps a media player and document viewer/editor.

You can still sync you mail via ActiveSync (Hotmail, Google Mail, Exchange).

I personally don't see the the point of this. WM 6.5.x + SPB Mobile Shell looks good and is quite performant on the HD2. You just have to deal with the fact that the apps aren't as good as on some other platforms.
[Windows Phone 7 General] SaM SonG:
Hi ! My french and sorry foy my english. It's possible a download WinPhone 7 Rom's for HD2 because Cotulla it's very advanced on WinPhone 7.

Sorry for my french. =)
[Windows Phone 7 General] GenkaiMade:
Qu'est ce que tu veux dire? Je suis pas sure que j'ai compris; je peux traduire ce que tu veux dire si tu veux? :P
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
There's no necessity to it, it's just one of those "this is really awesome look what my phone can do" types of things.

For me WinPho7 doesn't offer anything that Android or WM6.x don't offer, so the HD2 is perfect for me even without a fully functional wp7, but even to have WP7 "demo" on it will be cool, especially because I don't want any Live services really other than apps, and once we hack it to sideload free apps then it will be the perfect OS addition to the growing HD2 family.

I don't think the Authentication thing will ever be worked around because of missing hardware key.
[Windows Phone 7 General] SaM SonG:
Alors je le fais en francais normal cette fois. Mon idée général était que, existait-il un portage ou une rom qui est en téléchargement car sa fait un bon bout de temps que WinPhone 7 est annoncé par Cotulla
[Windows Phone 7 General] heisven:
Pas encore. Mais il y a plein de gens qui attendent... et je suis sûr que un vrai release de WP7 en HD2 sera publié ici.
[Windows Phone 7 General] GenkaiMade:
Moi je sais pas, mais je vais traduire et donc les autres peuvent aider :P

Okay, so what SaM SonG is effectively saying is:

What I'm wondering in effect is if at the moment a rom or download exists, as it has been quite a while since WinPhone 7 was announced by Cotulla.

I have no idea, so can anyone help our dear French friend? :P
[Windows Phone 7 General] Panda_Face:
As far as I know Cotulla hasn't released a ROM download for WP7 yet. I expect this thread will be the first to know when that happens however :P
[Windows Phone 7 General] justinxtreme:
in my opinion, the funnest part of windows phone 7 other than me using the messaging app is marketplace, bing, maps, skydrive, and definitely the zune pass :)

the search button, i thought it was pointless, but as soon as you click it it loads in an instant. very useful (it may sound stupid but once you try one you'll see)

zune pass is my favorite :) stream songs anywhere (its like youtube basically but its from a marketplace and they have more songs and you can play it in the background and you have a choice on which song to play and you can play new songs)

maps is alright
[Windows Phone 7 General] cybermo:
I tried one as well, and I really liked it. it's very responsive, I like the metro UI.

WinMo 6.5 is good, but I'm leaving it definitely for a modern OS and the first ported NAND release whether is android or WinPho.
[Windows Phone 7 General] olyloh6696:
thedevrlop ment is very slow...
[Windows Phone 7 General] radiance26:
I think it's not a matter of time, but informations.

Devs don't give us informations about what they are doing, reasons why time seems too long.

It's not good to say "soon" and let everyone wait month ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] vbetts:
The biggest setback right now is probably the lack of the genuine services needed for Live services. Until that is solved, nothing much can happen with it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
the only setback is that the booloader is not completed yet,

we'll probably get a mass release of bootloader, WP7, and an Android NAND build all at the same time would be my guess.
[Windows Phone 7 General] microgeniusz80:
why not just release the wp7 rom... we can just flash it and use it, if dont like it, we can just flash it back to new hd2 rom... it will take forever if we want to see android and wp7 integrated into magdlr..
[Windows Phone 7 General] the_scotsman:
Because when you flash WP7 directly to the HD2, you lose the ability to flash back to WM 6.5, as it uses a different bootloader from what I understand.
[Windows Phone 7 General] microgeniusz80:
ok.... i thought it is reversible... so i guess, we just need to wait... hopefully, i t will be released before christmas, or else, i gonna sell my hd2 to my friend to buy a new one..
[Windows Phone 7 General] niksha:
I was about to say the same thing but now we have our answer.!!It would be fantastic if wm7 was reversible back to wm6.5 if we did not like it . Hopefully one of the devs will get it somehow someway!
[Windows Phone 7 General] microgeniusz80:
then can we flash the bootloader? is it same like HSPL kind of thing??
[Windows Phone 7 General] cuzzo94:
so there won't be a way to boot androd with haret on wp7?:(
[Windows Phone 7 General] zarathustrax:
As far as I know, cotulla does not even have a flashable wp7 rom... the only way it has been bootable is with magldr... I don't think he has been able to boot it any other way. So we have to wait for magldr to run cotullas wp7. And I think it can only be run from SD card right now. No wp7 on nand yet... we wouldn't want it on nand in the state its in anyways.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JesusFreak316:
Magldr IS nand. What it does is allow you to go back to winmo or android from wp7. If they didn't use magldr, when you flash a wp7 or android rom you can't go back. That's my understanding at least.
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
MAGLDR is a bootloader that allows you to boot multiple yaffs2 partitions. So you can have let's say 2 different partitions, one being an Android image and the other being WP7. The WP7 port is actually an emulated RAM loader, and afaik is running from NAND. WM6.x can be run from NAND obviously and Android with minimal bugs.

These OS's can also be run from SD, since 1gb of ROM isn't enough to hold 3 OSs I don't think.

The point of MAGLDR is to allow multiple boot options.
[Windows Phone 7 General] zarathustrax:
I was under the assumption that only Linux partitions were going to be able to be flashed to nand, other than winmo, ofcourse. I think cotulla was running wp7 from the SD card using magldr. Wp7 uses a different kind of nand partition than android and winmo I think, so a new flasher will still need to be made to put wp7 to nand. Where did you hear Cotulla was running wp7 from nand?

Also, I don't think that winmo will be able to run from the SD card... if you want to keep winmo, you'll have to leave it on nand. Hopefully, we will be able to put winmo and android both on nand with magldr... atleast on the tmous hd2s with 1gb nand size. That is what I hope to do.
[Windows Phone 7 General] asadali:
magldr is only for nand sir... coutella said he will integrate haret in magldr so we can boot android from SD if we WANT! ubuntu can also be run directly from SD card

On nand we have android and wp7!

am following cotella from last 7 months... this what i get till now...
[Windows Phone 7 General] ceesheim:
If I understand it right then magldr is something like a ram disk and then you can load almost enything from it "android,meego,wp7,Linux,Unix,Ios,anything that can run on ARM)
[Windows Phone 7 General] asadali:
ya but u hv only 500mb so no ubuntu on nand

n operating systems which r opensources can b functional only keep it in mind lol..
[Windows Phone 7 General] zarathustrax:
Magldr is not only for nand booting. It can boot Linux OS's off of SD also... it doesn't use Haret. Haret is a winmo app... magldr will allow Linux OS's to be booted off SD or nand without booting into winmo. There will be a seperate flasher that will need to be used to actually flash the nand with a Linux os, then magldr is the loader that will boot the OS's. Again, a different flasher will need to be made to flash wp7 to nand as I believe it uses a different type of partition than android. I'm pretty sure that cotulla has been running wp7 off of SD so far.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Mithrandir007:
Yes, it's also my understanding that magldr loads the different things that are currently being loaded by WinMo before starting Android.

Thus, we'll no longer need to load those things through WinMo.

Magldr should then allow loading from either NAND or from the SD Card without booting into WinMo first in both cases, if I'm not mistaken.
[Windows Phone 7 General] xda2_haseeb:
This is something i found on the internet :)

EDIT: File Removed!
[Windows Phone 7 General] zarathustrax:
It is password protected for a reason. You should not be distributing this, its a beta version of magldr, but there's nothing you can do with it anyways without the flasher to flash android to nand. This is not released yet because it still has bugs and can brick your device if you don't know what you're doing. Don't even bother trying to crack the password and take the attachment down. When cotulla has finished magldr, he will release it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] xda2_haseeb:
I dont mean to offend Cotulla or any other dev. its just there so that if any one wants to try out the beta they can and can stop disturbing cotulla until he gives a offical release!
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Am I missing something or is this Android loader discussion completely irrelevant to the topic?
[Windows Phone 7 General] zarathustrax:
Its not just an android loader... magldr is what is used to run wp7 on the hd2 also.
[Windows Phone 7 General] phrixus:
Given that this is a bootloader I reckon testing could be bad unless you have a way of recovering the phone if it bricks. Cotulla obviously knows what he's doing so let him actually get it working reliably before we spaz out about getting files.

I'm extremely keen to get wp7 running on my phone but I don't mind waiting till he's got magldr working OK, despite that I'd love to have it running on my phone yesterday even if Live services wont work XD. Hoping for a before-xmas release but if he needs more time then let him! After all, WP7 is not that old. It's marvellous that it's already had so much progress in being ported.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rr5678:
read before posting this potential phone-bricking stuff.
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
Can a mod please remove this for obvious reasons?
[Windows Phone 7 General] zarathustrax:
Agreed... magldr is not open source, so it should not be allowed to be freely shared without cotullas permission.... not to mention its a password protected beta, and if someone does manage to open it and share it, we might see a lot of bricked phones, as there are a lot of impatient people on this sight these days who would try to flash it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] xda2_haseeb:
Removed! No Need to ask Mod just ask me and i'll do it, i aint that bad!

Secondly you talking about Open Source? I dont think you even respect Closed Source! You are wanting to use WP7S on your HD2, well is WP7S open source? It shouldn't be run without M$ permission but your gonna and you want to use it... So dont talk about going by the law, we all are against it by using pirated apps & stuff!

I dont mean to be rude but we shouldn't suggest things to others that we dont do or dont want to!
[Windows Phone 7 General] zarathustrax:
You're right... I don't really care about using Microsoft's closed source stuff personally... but cotulla is part of this community which I do care about, and it's thanks to cotulla generously spending his time and knowledge developing for our phones, and sharing for free, that our phones can do half the things they can do... so I do respect cotulla's wish to keep his property to himself until he's ready and the software is complete enough to be shared. It's not like he's even asking for anything in return... he releases his work for free to the community. So when he asks for people to be patient and wait for him to release it, then I think we should respect that request. Also, it's for our own good, as the earlier versions of magldr can brick our phones, as there was a problem with nand corruption.
[Windows Phone 7 General] xda2_haseeb:
I get your point been my self a Windows Dev. and a ROM Chef :-) but i just uploaded the file so the impatient people can be patient as i know no one can break RAR Archives Passwords :P It's like almost impossible :D Well, lets leave this discussion right here as this is taking us no where and just wasting the forums space, maybe time & our energies :P
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
The difference here is that you don't want to post a password protected boot-loader that is not yet perfected.

Check out this post:

That's why we don't want to distribute this thing till it's ready.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
wait, so its OK to pirate Microsoft or apple or some 3rd party dev, just not the members of XDA???
[Windows Phone 7 General] thesecondsfade:
Good point.
[Windows Phone 7 General] cdguider:
XDA Politics, Back on topic, Cotulla only said soon, all we can do is wait, In 2 weeks I'll be purchasing a HD7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] microgeniusz80:
i just want to ask, are there any planned Tegra 2 powered WP7 phone for next year?? i just dont want to buy HD7, and sell it for the tegra...
[Windows Phone 7 General] jabberworx:
Shoudln't really matter since spec wise Microsoft is trying to keep it together with the phones. So you won't benefit from having a better gpu in your phone because app devs would just target the core spec.
[Windows Phone 7 General] appatsekhar:
Sirs,

Where/when can I download it for my HTC HD2. I am eagerly waiting for it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] microgeniusz80:
the developers are working on it... currently they're trying to solve some issues in the NAND and MAGDLR.. just bookmark this thread, and keep reading everyday..
[Windows Phone 7 General] xda2_haseeb:
Actually testing phase is almost over... they are now working on compatibility tests :) we'll soon get wp7s for our hd2 :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] asadali:
no one knws wat is going on! dnt gv fake hopes!
[Windows Phone 7 General] xda2_haseeb:
I happen to know it unfortunately so please dont waste forums space by just posting posts against others, if you have something useful or some news to share well & good :) else wait for the WP7S release for HD2!
[Windows Phone 7 General] ustudio:
Man even though I know its probably not true I sure hope it is, Im not one of the impatient ones on here but I do admit that checking this thread has become a daily thing for me

Eventually Im gonna get a new WP7 phone im just not wanting to get a WP7 with just the minimum specs, based on what have now , which is the tmobile hd2, I want an upgrade meaning that my current processor is a 1 ghz, the atleast give me a 1.2 or dual cores or something, the camera is a single 5mp make it a 8mp or dual cameras or something, and I have a 16g, and upgrade would be a 32g etc. My biggest wish is a hdmi, or tvout function, and docks for it like on iphone, and droid.
[Windows Phone 7 General] xda2_haseeb:
Well this happens to be true coz i just talked to one of the close friends of mine who plays a great role in bringing WP7S to our HD2, "DagYo".

As far as i know T-Mobile HD2 is same as the HTC HD7. I dont see any difference in the specs, both have 1GHz processor, 576MB RAM, 5MP Camera, Proximity Sensor, Accelerometer, 4.3" Capacitive Display -- But TMOUS HD2 is better then HD7 in a few ways i.e. TMOUS HD2 has 1GB ROM while HD7 has 512MB ROM :) & TMOUS HD2 supports upto 32GB of Card while HD7 has a max of 16GB memory.

You can go for any device HTC, Samsung, Dell or LG but there is no Windows Phone 7 Device that has a better Speed Processor or larger RAM/ROM or Display then the TMOUS HD2. Well HD2 has an edge over all of the Devices, its the only device with 1GB ROM & capable of running 3 Mobile OS (Windows Mobile, Windows Phone & Android) & 2 PC OS (Windows & Ubuntu). I think HD2 is the device of the decade :) its the best device you can find as till now!
[Windows Phone 7 General] asadali:
wait?? hahaha u happen to knw? share the source! or dnt boast! u postd magldr which were released back in october hahaha

wat ur friend said? it is going to be released today > tomorow weeks........
[Windows Phone 7 General] JesusFreak316:
Is it really pirating? I know the XDA Mods are very anti-warez so I wouldn't think they would allow piracy, especially with this public of a project. I've always been under the opinion that everything on XDA is legal or it would be deleted by the mods.
[Windows Phone 7 General] xda2_haseeb:
Source is my IM, i talked to DagYo on my IM. He said that "WP7 is in testing phase and is coming soon". What i think is that maybe they are saving it for Chirstmas.

Yeah i think so making ROMs is illegal as i have heard but since Microsoft doesn't stop XDA-DEVs although they watch us then maybe i think we are allowed to pirate :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] Talderon:
Yes, it is pirating as it is not Open Source...

With that being said, and no, I do NOT represent Microsoft in this matter (even though I am a former employee), they keep an eye on custom ROM developments and really don't say much, I don't think they will put a hard block on things as the development of custom ROM's help keep the platform alive. A fan base as fanatic as the Custom ROM users are (for the most part) help spread popularity and devotion.

Look at the backlash to Google from the public and development community when they went after Cyanogen. Notice that Cyanogen is the only one NOT allowed to bundle Google apps into his ROM's, yet just about every other Android Dev does so.

The public outcry and backlash was humbling to Google, even if they don't admit it.

Putting a lid on the ROM development here on XDA would be a black eye for Microsoft, and they are still recovering from their last black eye (Vista anyone?). I think they are tired of being seen in the light of "the big bad monster".

Regardless, I could be TOTALLY wrong about this and they decide that once someone ports it to the HD2 they try and put a stop to it. My hopes is that they don't, especially since it may be the ONLY way I really give WP7 a shot since NONE of the devices on sale now even come close to something I would want to own.

Only time will tell. :D Hope I didn't put you all to sleep. :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] ustudio:
yes hd2 is awesome
[Windows Phone 7 General] ustudio:
there was a rumor that a 6.8 version of win mobile was coming, I would take that if it was smooth like wp7, and could play some wp7 games and apps
[Windows Phone 7 General] xda2_haseeb:
Who told you that? I think there are going to be no further versions of the WM series now, but thats only an assumption from me
[Windows Phone 7 General] zarathustrax:
Who is dagyo? I've never heard of him or seen him on the irc talking to cotulla or the other hd2 devs. Wp7 will be able to be used once magldr is released... I was under the impression that cotulla is the only one working on it.... unless you're talking about a different wp7 project we don't know about.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rruffman:
To me the samsung focus is the best device available it also has 1ghz processor, with internal 8gb, and external up to 32gb combined makes 40gb storage it blows away any of the htc devices no matter what os they are running mainly windows mobile or android 512 ram vs 1 gb does not make much difference in proformance. there re many comparison videos to prove this point.
[Windows Phone 7 General] xda2_haseeb:
Ok, i though that WP7 Devices were not supposed to have microSD so i missed out that... But Samsung is not the brand i would want to have... I have read many reviews & i myself know that Samsung makes devices out of the cheapest plastic known to mankind, so HTC is the brand for me! BTW; 8GB of more memory wouldn't make any performance difference either ;-) but the thing is that 1GB of ROM means that you have a bigger FLASH & maybe sometime in future HD2 could have WP7 & Android both flashed to its NAND at the same time ;-)
[Windows Phone 7 General] rruffman:
yes the phone back cover and sides are plastic but bult very solid and look very appealing not to mention its very light i prefer this over carring arroung a very heavy phone just as long as its built solid. but the quickness of this phone surpasses any other phone in the market including the iphone 4 in proformance not to mestion the super amoled display, and max of 40 gig storage this is the trade off i am willing to make. but hopfully someday as you have said you will get some vers of wp7 on your hd2 i think you will fall in love with it... i think it the best os to date.
[Windows Phone 7 General] xda2_haseeb:
You might be right but Samsung doesn't have a very good repo :( And as far as i am concerned i dont think i would ever prefer Samsung over HTC :) Well i think HTC Mozart or HD7 are great devices and v.v.fast to as seen in the reviews :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] asadali:
i never heard bout that dagyo named dev in last 7 months...
[Windows Phone 7 General] xda2_haseeb:
Hahahaha thats your fault, actually thats his IM name... His name on this forum will be Da_G :) Im not replying to you anymore... before you have been annoying me through the PMs and now your bring that to the forum... argh!
[Windows Phone 7 General] asadali:
because u knw nothing that what i concluded keep qiet n wait dnt boast...
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
yes it's pirating, just allowed pirating.

Kinda like we used to be able to have swype cabs posted here until the swype devs asked xda to remove it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] efjay:
The Focus is the top selling WP7 device in the US, all HTC's offerings look like crap in comparison. Plastic body or not, the screen, camera, performance are leagues ahead of anything HTC has to offer today. They are currently the top rated WP7 OEM overall, and well deserved. HTC doesnt deserve all the accolades they have got over the years, with poor cameras, missing graphic drivers, intentionally limiting RAM on HD2's and poor screens. Totally overrated company IMO.
[Windows Phone 7 General] emigrating:
Of course it will matter. Not in the sense that your overall experience will be any faster, but loading heavy apps/games will be quicker and you would have enough power in your phone to playback real HD video (ie. no more timeconsuming, quality-affecting transcoding before putting the last episode of The Walking Dead onto your phone).

Of course, as many will rush to point out - you don't NEED real HD support on a phone with a small ass 4" screen, but it makes life a lot easier by not having to spend time transcoding your existing material.

As more powerful phones come to market, Microsoft (and in turn, third-party developers) will also of course utilize this power. In gaming I can see this providing a full experience on the most powerful device and a lesser experience on todays launch devices. It doesn't take much code from the developers point of view to figure out if he can display 4 or 40 enemies on-screen at once or triple the drawdistance.