yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Windows Phone 7 General] :
I don't think they'll throw a fit. Microsoft made Windows Vista and Windows 7 "easy" to pirate because they finally realized that they weren't going to be able to stop the people who pirate stuff, so they figured, hey, if someone is going to pirate, we might as well not waste millions trying to stop them, they're going to pirate it anyway, let's at least have them pirate our software instead of someone else's.

Now with WP7, it won't be easy to hack to the point that we can have keys and use the cloud, but if we do, I don't think Microsoft will be too mad with MORE people using their OS.

...at least, I hope they won't...
[Windows Phone 7 General] silverx:
apparently it's not possible for phone running cooked rom in wp7, which makes it impossible for hd2 to be ported to wp7

QUOTE:

WP7 has a unique hardware identifier like xbox for connecting to live and the marketplace. No hardware identifier, ie, a baked ROM on a HD2 and i presume your device will run as though it is effectively banned from the core services on the phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] awagner:
That post was shot down immediately... sounds possible that could be an issue, but it's premature
[Windows Phone 7 General] zarathustrax:
That's already been known for a while.... it would still be cool to run wp7 without those services. We would have to find a way to side load apps, but I'm sure they could figure something out. I was never expecting a fully functional port.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Its against the license, and if u argued those semantics in court you would lose and be laughed out of the courtroom.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Jiihaa:
Disclaimer - don't shoot the messenger, this is unverified rumours, but look at the date.. This would be the best solution to the problem:

http://www.officialwire.com/main.php?action=posted_news&rid=198480

Sorry if this has been identified as a false rumour elsewhere, I couldn't find anything about it so I posted it here for getting your hopes up ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] endariel:
kinda meaningless:

Published on August 11, 2010

never tells it's gonna be upgraded, just some review for newbies
[Windows Phone 7 General] Jiihaa:
It does say "We learn that the HTC Corporation is finalising a deal with Microsoft to upgrade its operating system in HTC HD2 from the current Windows 6.5 to Windows 7. "

rest is just intro for the newbies, as you said. I haven't seen anything fresher news denying that there won't be a upgrade than this news from August saying that there will be..
[Windows Phone 7 General] caindio:
Palm Heroes

Cotulla & DFT for working on the WP7 for HD2.

A small token of appreciation sent : 53210144UE7872533

I encourage everyone to send some donations as they have delivered a lot for the HD2 already and have amazing things to come ....
[Windows Phone 7 General] chrisjasper:
Dont personally believe that HTC are going to release an upgrade to Winmo7 for the HD2, it would cut into their revenues for the HD7.

If they did however, what are the odds you would still be able to run Android through haret??
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
Yea, not a chance in hell that HTC releases an update to the HD2 with the HD7 already being on the market. Microsoft doesn't want it and it would just canibalize HD7 sales.
[Windows Phone 7 General] kirkdis:
in my opinion a upgrade would be a big marketing deal for ms. there are so many hd2 creeping around so these people will do good marketing for the os. let's see how the new devices will be sold. if there are too few customers i think ms will hold the upgrade for the last moment to bring the os to the customers... but we will see. there are ms internal versions of the os made for the hd2. it's only a question of time when these leak to the devs... i think until end of the year there will be versions of wp7 for our hd2 availableofficial or customized... we will see...
[Windows Phone 7 General] DavidC1980:
Never underestimate the power of word-of-mouth. Especially in modern world marketing (twitter, facebook, HERE!!!). All the HD2 owners are prime candidates to buy a WP7 device when their contracts are up.

I would imagine that most (like me) got theirs on either an 18 month or 24 month contract so won't be in a position to buy into the WP7 market until mid 2011 or late 2011.

Give them an upgrade, get them excited and talking about WP7 and converting other OS users to WP7. It could be a really strong and very cheap piece of marketing. It would also prevent the HD2 owners from falling out of love with Windows Phone/WM6.5 and moving to Android, iOS or BBOS6 when their contract ends.

Just my thoughts, it could be a better money maker in the long run to give us an upgrade BUT it means there have to be handsets on the market in 6-9 months time which have significant hardware advances over the HD2 to ensure that we do actually buy a new handset when our contracts are up.
[Windows Phone 7 General] endariel:
I think that's it, cuz mobile adicts and/or advanced users are gonna sell their HD2 and buy a brand new HD7... in italy you should see how many HD2 are in commerce, retail price is like 539€, used it was worth 350ish, in a couple of days used priced fell to 250ish, same thing as iphone 3g and 3gs, lost like 30% of its value in less than a week...

Well actually... who cares? i have an acer liquid and a HTC Desire, i'm planning to sell the Liquid to buy LG Optimus 7 (not enough money to get HD7 lol)
[Windows Phone 7 General] bryanpen:
Stick a fork in Apple, they r dunn

Damn, Cotulla u r a beast. Cant wait for this to come out! I dropped my HD2 in water but will be getting another one soon. U must have a couple of snapdragon processors built in to ur mind because u bring out the best in a phone. HD2 will be known as HD Ultimate!
[Windows Phone 7 General] lolmensch:
any news on that? post by cotulla or sth :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] yousufshah:
u all are free mans.u know why.bc cotulla did not released it and here are 37 pages
[Windows Phone 7 General] eenbox:
I would never put W7 on my hd2... not only that I don like it but I can't stand Microsoft's attempts to jump start itself into the market... dunno y but that's winmo
[Windows Phone 7 General] Phone Titan:
No release yet.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ricky886:
Have any update?
[Windows Phone 7 General] kostikas84:
Well said!!

Amazing as always!
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Some people like to get things done on their phone. Playing with countless ROMs doesn't make money and it surely doesn't improve one's productivity. HD2 with WP7 = HD7.

Also, yes. No software is perfect, but the way WP7 is locked down makes it virtually useless on non-WP7 devices because so much of the phone's functionality is cloud-centric - unline Android.

No one even knows if you will be able to "jailbreak" similarly to Android Root or iOS, so I think you're getting way ahead of yourself especially when you don't seem to be a software developer (some of us actually are).

Has iFixit done a teardown of the HD7 so that we can compare the internal components to HD2 - beyond the basics? Might not even have the drivers for everything (and those drivers come from Microsoft). You certainly aren't going to get any Source Code for it. Porting and maintaining WP7 will, IMO, be too much work for the benefits, outside of "look what I did!!!1!!!"
[Windows Phone 7 General] root beer:
I can't see the point in having WP7 on a HD2 as it will never function 100% the same but I do find it very interesting seeing how these geniuses manage to bypass the security of systems that have had a serious amount of money and man hours behind it.

Good luck and I wish you well.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
HD2 with Windows Phone 7 just sounds more like a Feature Phone with a cute user interface than a smartphone.

They didn't really bypass much security... Yet. Once they "get it running" I'm sure people will be less enthused with the limited functionality (and probably subpar performance) than they are now. Right now it's just wishful thinking, as always.
[Windows Phone 7 General] amb9800:
I suppose it depends on the degree to which key functionality (e.g. Marketplace access) is affected.

The main point of getting WP7 on the HD2 is to run a modern OS that hasn't been abandoned and can make use of the HD2's hardware and thus finally get decent third-party apps and a more stable, responsive user experience.

Also, I really don't feel like buying a downgraded version (memory, footprint, build quality) of the same exact phone (HD7) just to use MS' new OS. The WP7 launch phones all lack front-facing cameras, current-generation processors, etc.-- not worth the money if you already have something like an HD2.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tighoor:
mmmmm i think HTC and Microsoft give money to Cotulla that he dont giveWindows Phone 7 Rom to HD2 users... because HTC want sell its new phones....
[Windows Phone 7 General] joellinn:
yeah, i think they thought about this, but cotulla wouldn't be in this business anymore because it's not the first time he ported operating systems, affecting sells.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Spl4tt:
if this is true... im gonna use my leo much longer than expected.. xDDD
[Windows Phone 7 General] ubirajara26:
Great video :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] ALEXRUSS55:
HD2

The HTC Leo is the most versatile, powerfull, and usable phone there is out there. This is exactly the reason i purchased Leo instead of evo, because i knew that in the future with the HD2 i would be able to try wm 6.5, ANDROID wich is my favorite, and WP7. I kept the faith in our GODS wich our these developers, and it always pays off!

Thank you
[Windows Phone 7 General] orb3000:
See?

You got rid of it on a bad time :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] DeoreDX:
A really good friend of mine who has friends high up in MS and Tmobile says he's seen an HD2 running WinPhone7. These same people who have it running on the HD2 have Win Phone 7 developer phones as well. This was about 2-3 weeks ago. I have zero reason to doubt him. He just mentioned it in passing when I sent him all the info to get android running on his phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] pack21:
Of course is true ! Cotulla is the reincarnation of Jesus, and he dediced to make his HD2 a WP7s phone.

Thanks Jesus (cotulla)!
[Windows Phone 7 General] Cass67:
The bootloader you see in the video is magldr . its used to boot Android from nand among other stuff. There is an option to boot wp7 in the menu .. i believe this is real, probably no where near complete but real .. i have Android running from nand using the same version of the tool used in the video to boot it.

HSPL --> MAGLDR --> OS
[Windows Phone 7 General] projektk:
you probably dont know who is Cotulla! he is your master you noobyboy :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Hatefly:
Amazing. I can't wait.

Queue the Triple/Quad booting apps now, lol.

OK, we need an app that gives us the option to boot the following:

Meego

Ubuntu

Android w/ diff builds

Winmo 6.5

WinMo 7

Get on it!
[Windows Phone 7 General] PHOENIXROSE:
This is amazing

we are in awe :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] alphadeeto:
rofl!

I'm just about to buy this awesome device!
[Windows Phone 7 General] jamesbryant:
+1 Awesome! I'm so happy.
[Windows Phone 7 General] stirkac:
with so many options where do we put all our files damn it'll have to be one on NAND and others on SD or sth... damn 512 mb :p

just love multiboot systems infact i run XP/7/OSX and Ubuntu on PC :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] sutt359:
Ive just had a little bit of wee come out wooooo
[Windows Phone 7 General] rr5678:
Yes! Try THIS, Mr. Jobs! Oh, that's right. You CAN'T :p
[Windows Phone 7 General] enyaj:
Hahahaha!!! This is one of the best! Looks like our beloved HD2's life span just got longer.
[Windows Phone 7 General] pee-wee:
I remember when cotulla made WM6 UI into the old one.... :rolleyes:

real or fake? I can't answer it before test it myself :cool:

We know that Cotulla is 'out of the box' human :cool:
[Windows Phone 7 General] qipengart:
I am stunned that the HD2 is not a bestselling device anymore. Seriously, I have two of them and I am with no regrets.

Now I just need a Touch Pro 2 :p
[Windows Phone 7 General] hasnainhyder1:
Cotulla for Noble Prize !

Noble Prize must be given to Cotulla, who has benefited Mankind with his tireless efforts and intellect.

Obama doesn't deserve it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] pack21:
Cotulla give me your t-shirt!

PM me.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lemonspeakers:
woah! where did you guys hear this from? past experience.
[Windows Phone 7 General] olyloh6696:
This sounds like bad news for HD2 users...

However, we are having some luck on our forum! Our developer Nokser, is going to be releasing a WP7 beta for our TG01's within the next week! I'm not sure how well it will run, as it has a resisitive screen, but i think Nokser has solved the problem for apps that use multitouch.
[Windows Phone 7 General] at45:
People keep saying stuff like this. I think this specific example is actually incorrect as according to several sites (inc GSMArena) the screen is capacitive (and it feels capacitive).

But I'd like to hear why so many people say "it won't run well". Most of the time they don't give any reasons at all, which indicates of course that they don't know, and are just repeating something else that they've read, where that person didn't know.

So can someone who knows what they're talking about please state why performance would be poor? I'm actually asking, not being a jerk (it's sad that I have to point that out on the WP7 pages). All I can find is the flash-speed issue, but with a really good card that shouldn't be too bad. The HD7 itself uses a card anyway (it's just hidden), so the same card should perform as well shouldn't it?

I'm not overly bothered as I don't have either, but it would be nice to have some useful info. The predicted Marketplace issue isn't relevant to performance, that's a features thing, and since you can cook apps into a ROM, not too relevant.

Thanks
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
If u think cookimg apps onto a rom makes up for no market access then ur about as clueless as the person eho said it had a resistive screen. Where will you get those apps from, anyways?
[Windows Phone 7 General] ryohazuki:
Wow, what a way to jump to something. He's talking about the Toshiba TG01, which indeed does have a resistive touch screen.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jibbz:
I think HTC will sells its new phone regardless... and I don't cotulla will do that... it just don't like like him.... and plus he's been quite about the nand as well... so I don't think its anything bad... he will come thru with good news about nand and wm7.... and just think about if so many ppl in this community bugs you about releasing nand and then on top of that wm7 to the hd2... its a lot of work if you ask me....
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
also, the TG01 only has 256mb RAM, so would have worse performance than the HD2
[Windows Phone 7 General] olyloh6696:
actually, you are incorrect. the tg01 is resistive. i have it myself, i should know. it wont' run well because if incompaitable touch drivers, made for a a capacitive os. i have proved my point. and there are also compaitabilities with stable use etc.
[Windows Phone 7 General] naps1saps:
Waaay back when I was using PDAs I had one with PPC 2002. HP made the 2003 update available but the cd came with a holographic license thingy on the cd jacket. It only cost $30 so I would assume that an upgrade is *free* and that I was only paying for shipping.

This is however, a very sensitive issue. You have to remember this is Microsoft we are talking about and that this is their NEW FLAGSHIP we are playing with. Who knows what is going to happen. I think the worst thing that can happen is cease and desist orders for servers. Cotulla is safe because I think he lives in Russia.
[Windows Phone 7 General] poiuyasdfg:
OMG!:eek: I'm trembling! Come on guy! just shut down XDA! and built a forum in MS own server! then you can do whatever you want, of course, you will need also to do the buzz marketing by your self.

just close all windows sections in this forum, let's go to android and iphone! who care? we just need something to play with, in our own way! isn't it?
[Windows Phone 7 General] mtwaldman:
Apps apps apps!

I think the main thing (at least for me) is the Lack of Apps that are available for Windows Mobile 6.5.X. NO one is making them anymore.... Android, Iphone... HAVE so many APPS!... And a lot of them are FREE!.

If there was a way to get the Windows Mobile 7 apps to work on our HD2's I would be happy. But Microsoft f-d us on this (as far as I know)...

I have played with the android Ports and that is the main thing I like about android.... people make apps for them and the price is free or cheap.... When people made apps for Windows 6..... they were very pricey for what they were....

What about the apps I bought? Navigon?? it cost me $50.00, on android Copilot for USA was $4.99!!!

If/when Winmo 7 is ported to our HD2s will the grass be greener?
[Windows Phone 7 General] ftruck90:
I'd be interested to see footage of it in full flight not just its boot up
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
if WP7 gets a stable HD2 port then teh HD2 will officially be the awesomest phone ever.

He probably doesn't have a whole lot more working than boot sequence.

I don't know if you follow Cotulla's Android HD2 scene but he does not release stuff until it actually works. Even videos really. Give it some time.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tai4de2:
The "Winmo 7" project was canceled 2 years ago, so I doubt you'll see a port to the HD2.

I doubt we'll ever see a port of Windows Phone 7 either, for technical reasons.
[Windows Phone 7 General] crash98:
http://wmpoweruser.com/the-dream-come-true-windows-phone-7-on-the-htc-hd2/
[Windows Phone 7 General] sthEn:
God, i'm praying to see WP7 on my Leo some day :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Mehrdad201:
nobody has a new news from cotulla ??
[Windows Phone 7 General] majid_z:
WHat's up ?!

Yes, I like to know the news ! it's been so long since last news.

I heared somethings from xda.cn !!! I don't know what's happening !
[Windows Phone 7 General] ceesheim:
If you all want to know some WP7 port status you can read this link .

Its Da_G telling some stuff (good read)

http://www.xda-developers.com/feature/the-current-state-of-windows-phone-7-modification/
[Windows Phone 7 General] jelliottz:
I appreciate the link to this. I hadn't read that yet. You're right, good stuff.
[Windows Phone 7 General] shadowhacker27:
He will listen ^_^

I also want to see if the HD2 will be the wonder phone to run all OSes in existence. WM6.5, WP7, Android, iOS, WEbOS, Symbian ^3... ahhh it's so nice to daydream :):rolleyes:
[Windows Phone 7 General] lancguy:
Great read. I think there's a lot of us with Leos that are hoping fro WP7. Porting Android made our phones something next to god-like. We hate to think that the phone would fall from that pedestal if there is no WP7 boot. I, personally, understand the hurdles that need to be overcome, but lack the skill sets to lend a hand. So for any and all programmers out there, I support you as does everyone else on the site.
[Windows Phone 7 General] VenomLugz:
for realz!!!!!! I'm going to get new HTC HD 2 back soon since my old HTC HD 2 was broke! I really thought about buy HTC HD7 but I didn't until I read this! whooo!! I want WP7 on my HTC HD2!!
[Windows Phone 7 General] addicus:
It would be an overall upgrade!
[Windows Phone 7 General] bigandrea:
Hello everyone! Know to what extent is it to upgrade to Cotulla wp7 for our monster hd2?
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
But this makes it fruitless:

Putting a genuine stop to custom ROMs
[Windows Phone 7 General] ceesheim:
LOL , no problem I had the same problem and I called Microsoft and without asking they gif me the key (5*5):D

edit : this was on a hd7 from o2 , I first called o2 and they tolled me to call MS .

I called MS and in 5 min on the phone I got the code ( lol first code didn't worked and got a new one ) and bam it worked .
[Windows Phone 7 General] Laurentius26:
Yah, if Microsoft want everybody run to Android this is the best step to accomplish. :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Then why is the iPhone so popular? Don't answer, it's a rhetorical question.
[Windows Phone 7 General] emigrating:
Latest update...

And the latest update is as follows;

So just as we all expected, even if there's a ROM release it will be without all the bells and whistles that really makes WP7 shine.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tico.ASandoval14:
Sigh, when i got the twitter update from Cotulla on my phone i was going crazy for such a big update on wp7, but then i read and i fell dissapointed:(
[Windows Phone 7 General] lemonspeakers:
Cotulla Finally updated! WP7 on Hd2 "is" coming... but

Less than 1 Minute ago!:

Looks like it will be coming but since it can't bypass the "Genuine" check, the OS is pretty useless.

I wonder if you can still use wifi and surf the internet and do everything without using LIVE services.

Heck, I don't even use live.com, hotmail.com, xbox, and all that other stuff.

I hope I can still use OneNote though ;)

Anyone?

http://twitter.com/cotullacode

As well as MAGLDR development (used by Android & WP7) a bit delayed, because some problems takes more time.

1 minute ago via web

it will be released soon, but don't expect anything from it - without Live services it's not really usable :-(

2 minutes ago via web

But new "Windows Phone Genuine" doesn't allow to use any Windows Live services :-( So it's mostly "Demo" of WP7. No bypass ways are known

4 minutes ago via web

We (DFT team) at the end able to run WP7 on our LEOs, most of stuffs are really working: GSM,GPRS,Camera,GSensor,USB,SD,BT,WLAN,etc.

5 minutes ago via web
[Windows Phone 7 General] lemonspeakers:
Can someone compile a list of all the things that WONT work?

That'd be great since it can help us determine what is most important - since for example, I can care less about xbox and live.com search than I would care for working wifi, and data connection etc.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rr5678:
An idea.....maybe a program can be made to pass off a copy of a genuine code? Don't flame me for the idea, I'm not a programmer. It just came to me in a thought.

"We (DFT team) at the end able to run WP7 on our LEOs, most of stuffs are really working: GSM,GPRS,Camera,GSensor,USB,SD,BT,WLAN,etc."

They have you covered.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gigisala1:
Does anyone know something about the htc hub? or maybe the weather animation from wp7? :confused:

Can be done?
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
The HTC Hub is HTC's answer to no Sense on the HD7...or other WP7 devices. MS doesn't allow custom configurations on WP7 and this means no Sense. So HTC produced an app with sense-like features.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mrroey:
yes you can still use wifi. but no live means no marketplace so no third party apps.
[Windows Phone 7 General] kennyken747:
What's the point.. just cop a new phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] 0711:
hope myphone will work :/

@kennyken747

money?
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
I think WP7 will be even more restrictive than iOS ever was. With iOS jailbroken, the majority of the phone features were usable. But with WP7, any custom ROM would lose the core functionality of WP7.

EDIT - Very clever...those MS boys...lol
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Weve been saying that forever. Wp7 hd2 rom is a waste of effort imo. Did people think we were lying or just hating on it?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Laurentius26:
I have to answer. :)

The fun of Windows Mobile is that we can cook and tweak it.

I-Phone is populair because of good marketing strategy, nothing more to my opinion.

If Microsoft is putting in PVK then the fun is gone and the OS will be nothing more then a I-Phone.

So people will run to Android as we can tweak and cook it :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] Laurentius26:
It's like with every protection, one day or another someone will find a way to pypass the PVK.

Thanks for the update. :)