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[Windows Phone 7 General] The Gate Keeper:
@Mithrandir007: now that is a proper opinion and one which is well formed. I definitely understand where you're coming from and I agree with what you say in that the restrictions can make the phone a little boring with the start screen. But in saying that, the tiles are merely for notifications really, and a lot better than just a sea of apps (you get that on the other screen :P). But yes it would be nice for it to be a bit more customisable, but not to the point where it becomes troublesome for support to be provided. That is where wm6.5 and android struggle, it really isn't the consistant feel, but aye, for those who actually know what they're doing, it should be provided to them. But I applaud you for your well formed and respectful opinion. As for a lot of apps and it crashing, people seem to run out of space before that happens with the games being quite big in some cases (e.g. nfs & sims).

@bountygiver: you could sign up your existing email address to the live services so that you don't have to put up with hotmail. that way you can still access everything, and not worry about it.

@N8ter: you'll find that regardless of the app market, if makers are given the ability to just submit a bookmark, they will. And the same with lite/trial/paid apps. If there isn't a proper mechanism for trial to paid upgrade within the one program (which MS implemented) then you'll get double ups. Bookmarks are pretty bad too because it's just a few lines of code to open the browser to a URL. And I bet all market places claim this to be an app as well (yes even MS, e.g. youtube).
[Windows Phone 7 General] jonas2295:
unlocker released :)

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=851453
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
How does this affect the core services? Does it stop you from accessing the Market or Zune content? Will this be eliminated with an official update?
[Windows Phone 7 General] joellinn:
i think since the crack makes the phone acting like a unlocked dev phone you should be able to use all of the m$ services.

And i am also think that at least one person at m$ is currently reading this and thinking about how to eliminate the possibility to jailbreak your phone.

and ya i called it jailbreak cause phone7 is closer to the ****ing IOS than any other OS out there. AND THAT'S THE POINT WHERE P7 SUCKS!

Edit, and keep your eyes on his website, maybe he will upload new stuff soon.
[Windows Phone 7 General] emigrating:
And how would that help you exactly? Even if you managed to unlock a HD2 running WP7 with that tool you would still have to get the software (apps/games) from somewhere... Any apps downloaded from the official Marketplace are signed/licensed and will still not load on the HD2.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nokn956120:
Now I am excited, I just almost wet my pants lol

I know this unlocker has been released but the modification which Cortulla has had to make to make it compatible for the HD2, would the unlocker still work. In theory then it should but only Cortulla and the Dev team could do wonders to make this work.

I await for the WP7 release for the HD2 and look forward to buying Cortulla and the dev team a drink
[Windows Phone 7 General] The Gate Keeper:
don't get too excited. i've read somewhere that a max of 10 apps can be sideloaded onto a developer phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] otech:
Guys, settle down about the little hack, it does not help you with loading marketplace apps, using hotmail, live or any cloud services.

It just means you can run some code from VS on your phone, as you HAVE ALWAYS BEEN ABLE TO DO if you sign up to be a dev.

So, unless you are going to make your own 3rd party apps - or people would like to release some free and you are willing to build them in VS, then sure, but it does not mean its now like a normal WP7 device.

Good for me though, I can test the apps I made in the emulator and didnt want to spend $99 bucks p/a to test them in my phone :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Actually, you can use Hotmail as an Exchange account.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Mithrandir007:
Thanks for your constructive reply, it's becoming rare to be able to confront different opinions without one or both parties becoming aggressive :)

I do agree that WP7 is well suited for those who just want a phone that works out of the box.

Also, the consistant feel throughout the whole OS will also be better, since it cannot be modified (much).

If it doesn't crash even with many things running (I guess the "fake" multitasking helps avoid buggy apps that keep working in the background), that's a good point too.

I guess this just shows that they are completely different OS's with different goals.

I think the main reason that there is so much criticism of the OS is that people coming from WM6.5 (like me) were expecting WP7 to be as powerful as WM6.5 but with a whole new UI to compete with the new OS's like Android and such.

Instead, they went down the same road as Apple, and so many ex WM6.5 users were disappointed and will be going to Android instead (like me).

Of course, after seeing the success of the iPhone, many will probably like it as well ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] :
I thought it was 5? And that's a good point, does this "unlock" circumvent this too? Probably not!
[Windows Phone 7 General] CR1M1N4L:
5 is the number of devices you can unlock with one paid developer account (it's 3 if you are using student developer account). It's not the number of apps you can sideload.
[Windows Phone 7 General] :
Nice one, thanks for that. So 10 is the limit to how many apps you can simultaneously sideload? And the question still stands if the unlock bypasses it. Anyone with a handset care to try this out?
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
and you'll end up with the same buggy apps that you have on 6.5. Then you will be crying to microsoft when your phone keeps crashing.

no problems with 3rd party apps for me. Some of them are simply amazing like the weather channel and yomomedia.

The only complaint I've seen is some of the 3rd party apps don't scroll as smoothly, which should get better with app updates.

They are integrating the whole phone experience into windows live which means they want you to use a live account for contacts, etc. I would love to keep myphone, but it doesn't look like that will happen.

Over 100 apps and games installed an my phone still boots in under 30 seconds and has yet to crash.

I think if you start letting a lot of customization happen, that is where the lag starts happening. Personally, I'd rather keep the home screen simple yet useful and keep the speed.

I'm really digging the same theme throughout the whole phone. It really pulls together nicely.

don't want to spend money to make money??? Does this mean all your apps will be free???

I think y'all are missing the point of the marketplace. For the most part, microsoft wants the apps to use the metro theme. They also want the apps to work without crashing your phone. There is no reason to not sell your apps through microsoft if you are a developer.

Even if this hack lets you side load apps, you will be very limited in the apps you can load and none of the apps will have been properly tested.

More than likely you will end up with a phone just as buggy as 6.5. Have fun with that.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mmelo76:
Guys, let's keep the discussion on the subject?

I've seen the thread, leaving much of the main subject.

I'll be doing a cleanup again.

Some comments I will withdraw because of the harsh words, others not so much for being tough, but for comment or quote the posts "hard".

Let's try to do these steps:

1 - Comment on this topic

2 - Place impressions, ideas, criticism on the subject

3 - Look to items 1 and 2

This thread is being largely observed, it is great to use WP7 expected, on HD2.

Therefore, to have an HD2, requires a certain maturity, as no children will get a toy so expensive.

Soon, we will act as responsible persons and to avoid behaviors manifest partial and sometimes even children.

If you have nothing to post on the subject, avoid posting in this thread.

Thanks in advance for collaboration.

After cleaning, also erase this post, because the level of our community is very good, so we need not forever leave a message like this, I hope.
[Windows Phone 7 General] emigrating:
Since they are simply unlocking your phone in the same way you would have unlocked it had you paid your $99 over at AppHub - No.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jpjohnso71:
With the technology of phones being released i don't understand why a Microsoft mobile OS couldn't be developed that could then be bought and installed on phones that are proven to be compatible, I was able to upgrade my desktop OS from vista to windows 7. If i were Microsoft and after seeing the huge request for windows phone 7 on the hd2 (which is capable of running this OS) except for it having too many buttons, I would create different versions of wp7 (just like its desktop or laptop OS) and charge some money to purchase it. I would rather install wp7 on my hd2 that was released through microsoft instead of one that was created by a 3rd party Dev
[Windows Phone 7 General] ustudio:
I feel same way as me for one would buy the apps, I've have purchased iphone apps and dont even have a iphone or ipod, brought some for my niece, but I did it through my own account so if I got a ipod then I could sync to it.

theres a whole lot of hd2 users out there that would like me purchase apps, I cant see why ms wouldn't want that. millions downloaded instead of thousands, In my thinking ms should allow that if they want to compete with IOS, even after battling with android all most people would say well apple has apps, Silverlight/XNA could over take that with HD2's help. Me I would get a new phone and was planning on doing so but the HD7 is just the HD2 in a new outfit, if the HD7 that was leaked came out, Id sell everything to get it, (dual core 1.5ghz, 8 mega pixel, 1 gig of ram, hdmi out, etc) but i cant see getting rid of my hd2 just to get a hd2(hd7) with wp7 on it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] emigrating:
Huge request? Where? Don't mistake a "few" people on some forums for a huge crowd requesting something. Truth be told, most people are very happy with what the HD2 has offered them out of the box and it makes no sense what so ever for Microsoft to release different versions of their mobile OS.

I would be surprised if there was even a thousand people actively looking forward to running WP7 on their HD2. Compare this to the 2000+ people begging Microsoft to not remove DE from their WHS product (where MS seems to not care) and you'll soon understand that you are, unfortunately, in the minority here and anything you say simply wont make a bit of difference.

And just because the hardware can run the OS doesn't mean it would run well or be fully functional - there's been plenty of talk about various things missing from the HD2 (apart from the 3 buttons) that would make the experience somewhat underwhelming.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ultramag69:
Theres an app out that apparently allows you to unlock your WP7 device without a developers account. Its called chevronwp7.

Read up more here - http://www.chevronwp7.com/post/1679668269/windows-phone-7-unlocker-released
[Windows Phone 7 General] Nevralgeek:
I know that WP7 will be unable to use any Live services etc on hd2.

but I own a Zune, and I can download softwares with Zune unplugged, and then sync them later.

if the same thing is done with hd2, and that we sync it to download pre-downloaded softs from the Zune Software, with computer offline, no wp7 validation isn't it ?

by the way it must be possible to install everything manually. Cotulla managed to use wp7 without the locked down Metro GUI, launching only the core of wp7 : windows ce7 (windows 7 embedded) just like the Zune Hack, that make the Zune usable as a usb hard drive, using Flash, installing any app possible.

So I think the hd2 wp7 will have interesting features before real wp7 phones :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
1. even if you try and install apps while computer is offline, zune won't sync to an hd2 because its not a wp7 device so it will fail authentication, therefore never be a syncable device

2. The problem is that the apps are designed to only install through marketplace. Even if you have the file on the phone, I don't think it will install properly.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gdsbalaji:
you might want to check out www chevronwp7 com

Regards

B
[Windows Phone 7 General] emigrating:
Yeah, I think you might want to do the same - that tool will not help you here.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Nevralgeek:
Just like the Zune HD. Apps need to be downloaded from Marketplace... it's not a Windows CE7 limitation, but it's impossible because the Metro UI doesn't let you use the device with explorer.exe, so no acessible folders/files.

Bypass the wp7/Zune interface, and you have a fully working Windows 7 Embedded Compact.

It has been done for Zune, which is only a wp7 prototype...

The only thing that is missing is the possibility to install MarketPlace apps like any .exe file, and to make apps loaded with explorer visible in the Metro "programs".

But maybe will this be possible soon ?

I think we have to hack Zune software on the PC side to be able to load marketplace apps/game.

the major problem is that we must not use any hacked game while we're online because wp7 is able to ban permanently from x-box live in order to "ensure security of x-box live users".
[Windows Phone 7 General] orb3000:
Let´s see what masters show us!
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
ummm, that will only let you install homemade and unverfied apps. Official apps cannot be sideloaded with this hack.
[Windows Phone 7 General] asadali:
any chances of release today??
[Windows Phone 7 General] Nevralgeek:
Nope, the bootloader that will make WP7 loading on HD2 (as well as Android from NAND) is delayed for a few days/weeks due to some minor bugs to fix before it's usable as an everyday OS.

Sorry.
[Windows Phone 7 General] asadali:
hw do u knw????
[Windows Phone 7 General] Nevralgeek:
I know it cause I feel concerned about what can be done with Windows Phone 7. And I try to know as much as possible about what Cotulla is making, with news, his twitter etc...
[Windows Phone 7 General] thesecondsfade:
So basically, you don't really know just like nobody else does. The only people who know when they will be able to release it are DFT/Cotulla themselves.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Nevralgeek:
I did not pretend to know which day it will be released, even DFT Team isn't sure to know when the last issues will.be fixed...
[Windows Phone 7 General] asadali:
hahaha if u see chat logs they have scheduled time table what to do next... every thing is complete they r testing... AGAIN only devs n coutella knws when to relese...
[Windows Phone 7 General] jiminho:
I know the marketplace wont work but will we be able to use internet explorer?
[Windows Phone 7 General] ess2k:
Well I think that will be good enough for me. Of course it would be excellent if it was 100 %, I just want to run wp7 for a few days to actually see what its like before I commit to buying one.

There devs can only do what they can, and much respect to them for what they have already achieved.
[Windows Phone 7 General] microgeniusz80:
i second u.. i just want to play with it for a while to relieve my craving for wp7... i'll be buying a wp7 when the hardware specs are better than my HD2.. ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Nevralgeek:
I've heard about a phone-concept made for HTC but not approved (yet).

A really thin phone able to run both wp7 and Android with 1gb ram and dual-core snapdragon 1.5Ghz.

Maybe it won't be accepted, and even it is, we'll have to wait, 2cpu snapdragon are unfortunately delayed.

so we'll have time to test wp7 on our good old hd2 :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] thesecondsfade:
It's only a matter of time before the dev's figure out a way to trick the system into allowing a sideloaded installation of a (freeware) XAP from the marketplace.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MashineGun:
nice

i hope and think this is genuine... any way the chevron software would work on that ? would allow us to bypass the market place issue no ?

i know they can't be trusted but xda.cn have published lately some video showing wp7 ported with live services...
[Windows Phone 7 General] lemonspeakers:
I hate asking questions about "WHEN this" and "WHEN that" will WP7 be available for the HD2/

So, is there a place I can go and read about it myself?

Can someone provide me a link? I wanna stay on top of this unrelease info by the Dev's.

PS, are they even sharing any information (besides cotulla's twitter) such as release date, progress etc?
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
I find this harder to believe, but even if they do, I'm sure microsoft would release a hotfix to patch it. MS is serious about keeping developers.

Got a link? I doubt microsoft would allow wp7 to be on a dualboot phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] chaoscentral:
He is talking about some fan made phone concept. completely unrealistic at this point.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Nevralgeek:
the htc hdd seems to be more than just a fan concept...

I mean xap is often close to what can be done, and from real future phone releases, but I don't think neither that Microsoft would let them do that quietly, but what make this possible is that HTC is always innovating, and.wp7 frustrates them a bit.

They said they were waiting for Microsoft to unlock a bit wp7, its interface etc...

dual phone, this is quite innovant !

anyway, if a phone like this one is realeased someday, it would be the best smartphone ever seen!
[Windows Phone 7 General] Nevralgeek:
just some thoughts about how to bypass wp7 protection.

we can't use marketplace from hd2...

but what if someone who owns a real wp7 downloads apps from the Zune Software...

isn't it possible to hack the software itself to make it think that the hd2 is a hd7 for example ?

or find a way to unlock files that could contain the apps before syncing from thic pc ?

it's just some ideas, maybe unreallistic, but who knows ?
[Windows Phone 7 General] ceesheim:
and way should we do that ?

To kill wp7 instantly ?
[Windows Phone 7 General] thesecondsfade:
Piracy is an issue on all platforms. Enabling sideloading on WP7 is not going to be a game changer by any means. Most people want to own free and/or paid apps legitimately. It doesn't make sense to stop development of sideloading just because some people will abuse it. Piracy hasn't killed Android and/or iPhone so why would it kill WP7?
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
so you want to pirate hard working developers apps???
[Windows Phone 7 General] thesecondsfade:
Have you ever loaded a CAB that wasn't provided at the Marketplace for WM6.x? That's the same thing we're talking about here... not pirating apps. Getting a freeware XAP file from the WP7 Marketplace is the equivalent of getting a freeware CAB from the WM6.x Marketplace. Nobody is talking about stealing anything... just doing the same thing we all do for WM6.x.
[Windows Phone 7 General] xda2_haseeb:
Will the bootloader be only out or the wp7s Rom to run on HD2 also?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Nevralgeek:
I don't want to kill WP7, not at all.

On the contrary, it needs to grow up, and it needs some time, and I think it needs phones that are better than those out today, which hits only minimal requirements, and could slow down with future updates/softwares...

The HD2 has the same hardware, that's why we would like to be able to use WP7, and run apps and/or games.

Who really wants to change his phone for a similar one, with only one difference : pvk

If it was a computer, anyone would like to buy a new computer, which has the same specs, only because it has a key that make you able to load other softwares than your 1year old pc ?

(ok mac users would do that... but not the same... philosophy :D)

I think that HD2 owners would be ready to pay for an official update to wp7, and wait for new phones with better hardware like 2cpu snapdragon, nvidia tegra etc...

But there isn't any official upgrade, only an unofficial is coming, so the aim is not piracy but being able to use it in the best conditions possible.

Even with free apps I'd be happy that's why I don't want to use anything that could kill wp7
[Windows Phone 7 General] asadali:
coutella siad soon.... i think it would take weeks...
[Windows Phone 7 General] jpjohnso71:
i got the hd7 today and i really love wp7 the only thing i miss is having the call and end call button on the phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
those minimal requirements are still the high end of the smart phone market right now. It's not MS fault that new processors are still not available.
[Windows Phone 7 General] spacyxv:
I agree, I would definitively love to pay for an official upgrade from MS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] babakgm:
You Think When HD2 Owner can Run WP7 On Hd2 Fast And Good Like

HD7?

its my dream? :rolleyes:
[Windows Phone 7 General] Krisrk:
As an HD2 owner, iPhone owner, and G2 owner... I'm not giving Apple, Google, HTC, or MS anymore money... they've had enough of my money. I'd rather play around with the operating systems. Android runs better tho on my HD2 SD card than on my G2... so I wouldn't be surprised if WP7 works smoothly on HD2 as well.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Ren13B:
It's never going to happen. HD2 does not have the correct button requirements for official WP7. WP7 actually has strict hardware requirements. I have no doubt WP7 will run with full features at some point on the HD2 but it wont be official.
[Windows Phone 7 General] navidnouri:
HD2 will never ever gets more than 40% of functionality from an original WP7 device IF WP7 WERE PORTED TO HD2!
[Windows Phone 7 General] sthEn:
And how could you possibly know that?
[Windows Phone 7 General] chrisjasper:
Because of the protection built into in Winphone 7, unless a way is found around the restrictions a port to HD2 will be unable to use the Live services which effectively removes about 60% of the functionality
[Windows Phone 7 General] sthEn:
Of course, for now it's rather useless, but who knows what it'll be like in about 2-3 months? I believe... no, i know (!) that Cotulla can do it, he's my personal Jezus and God in one person :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] skochobahn:
3 botton problem

im sorry to tell you this guys but the 3 botton problem is just a marketing scam or a excuse for MS. The big companies dont have profit from upgrading old phones, those are not PCs on which you can put more ram or a new cpu/gpu. The idea is to take your money whit new hardware that is on the same level as the old one. If htc let you upgrade to WP7 they wold price you how much 20-50 bucks?! In my country the WP7 devices cost about 500$ and im talking about an LG "damn". And one more thing if there are strict reqs for the 3 bottons why are there qwerty keyboards and stuff. think about it
[Windows Phone 7 General] microgeniusz80:
if wp7 is ported to our hd2, it still can be used for everyday usage, right?? apart from live mail, marketplace and skydrive... what else wont be functioning??? i think im ok without skydrive and marketplace... we can use gmail as a mail client right for push mail??
[Windows Phone 7 General] blues01:
Well IMHO, the whole 3 buttons problem is to keep further problems.

Just imagine when someone who use WP7 on HD2 buy meet some problem due to different button on HD2 with other WP7 devices?

I know that people who use WP7 on HD2 should realize about the different buttons layout so they shouldn't complaint about it. But then again, just read all the complaints posted in this site from people who buy WP7 devices. All the complaints are about things that they've already know before they buy ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] truffle1234:
i think HTC should offer the HD2 owners an upgrade offer for there hardware for a good price HD7 with the HD2 as a trade in...
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
and name me one oem that does that. I got 200.00 for mine on craigslist.
[Windows Phone 7 General] asadali:
cotella "soon" is sooo long lolz