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[Galaxy S I9000 General] donsasan:
It depends on how much apps you are planning to use. I couldn't notice much lag on stock froyo but I hadn't much apps installed. GPS works fine with e.g. Navigon.

And since the Nexus S is developed by Samsung and probably has mostly the same hardware it is more likely to get the SGS upgraded to Gingerbread (at least with a ported ROM).

I'd go for the Galaxy ;)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] dckiwi:
Yeah man, desire z is very heavy and has a crap hinge. Not saying the galaxy is perfect tho
[Galaxy S I9000 General] bryant_16:
I see. Thanks for feedback guys.

How about custom roms? Is galaxy s able to flash custom roms as well?

Sent from my HTC Desire
[Galaxy S I9000 General] SkinBobUk:
Custom roms are easy to flash yes. And there are plenty out there. Personally i find stock froyo with a lagfix to be more than acceptable tho.

Some phone come with "3 button combo" locked, meaning u cant get into download mode or recovery mode, but there are fixes out there for these problems, which i read are reasonably easy to do.

But if your phone comes with the "3 button combo" active its a doddle. I dont know or understand a great deal about android, but found everything easy as long as u read through the guides properly and dont rush in not knowing what to do.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ca7846:
It seems like you are deciding on Bell's SGS or desire Z.

I want to advise you to stay away from I9000m, if this is what you are getting.

I have no clue why but Bell's I9000M got a major SD failure issue that is affecting a lot of people including myself. My phone died today without any reason. I did not root it nor I installed at custom rom. I was always on official rom with few apps. Suddenly SD card failed today. And this happens to a lot of people.

If I can make my choice again, I would pay some money and get desire HD from eBay or something. Or wait for Nexus S. Good smartphone is well worth the money. As I use it more, I feel the strong need of smartphone due to many reason. I would pay 500 bucks to get a good one but that's just me.

Anyway to make it short, if you are thinking of Bell SGS, stay away. SD failure rate is too high....
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Auzy:
It can, but so can most other phones.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Zaim2:
This is false, as it also has faster memory modules than the 1st gen Snapdragons as well as a 45nm process. Plus it's easily overclockable to speeds over 2x stock, with perfect stability (last I checked 1.9ghz was reached). Speed isn't anything close to an issue.

Wouldn't call it "far behind". The real-world graphical performance difference between the two is negligible. Even in GPU benchmarks the Adreno 205 is only just behind.

I'd add hasslefree performance (no lagfixes required) and HTC's faster/more reliable update track record to that also. With the Nexus S/Galaxy S2 in the horizon there's a good chance Samsung could drop official support for the Galaxy S (they've done many times before). As for Swype, it often gets bogged down with dictionary entries so becomes less reliable over time. I'd say Swiftkey is better, and a HW keyboard works with it also.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] bryant_16:
I see.. thanks for your review of desire z. Now I'm only worried about the hinge already. Got people saying about the loose hinge and it will come out when you hold in sideways.

What say you guys?

Sent from my HTC Desire
[Galaxy S I9000 General] szczeslaw:
I'm sorry, did you say "faster/more reliable update track record"? Hero update - rings any bells? HTC is no better, when it comes to updates, then Samsung. And i'm saying this as a former owner of 4 HTC devices (Hero included).

And i don't think, that Samsung will drop Galaxy S support. They've sold over 5 million pieces of I9000, so it's a huge market and a very important product for them.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] chichoko:
But bear in mind that the Desire is the only Android phone besides Nexus which got Froyo almost as soon as it came out.. so nothing can beat that really.. i hope we get the same for Gingerbread, at least for the Z and HD..

As for a general opinion i got to use a friends Galaxy S once because i was so curious about the lags.. and got convinced when i went to open the camera and it lagged before it opened it.. i didnt try texting or anything cause i thought there shouldnt be issues with a laggy keyboard but, as ive read here on XDA, it even lags when typing some times..

Overall if you want a reliable experience even on stock firmware, go for any of the HTC devices. However if you want a phone in order to apply fixes on it to make it reliable and faster than the current HTC devices go for the Galaxy S :)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] crypta:
Support for Galaxy S should be no problem:

1st it gots enough devs here on XDA

2nd and not less important: look HOW many galaxy S have been sold by samsung (include tab, vibrant and all other "versions"). it was and still IS a big deal for samsung. so I simply can't imagine that they would "rip off" so many customers. in fact its pretty simple mathematics: what would the PR cost to justify a support drop off in this kind of scale and what are they paying for.. let's say... 5 devs, keeping on their work for "eternity" (speaking in hightech sector at least 18 month from now on). there's no way they'll do this.

show me the sales count of devices which support had been dropped early by samsung, htc and (are there other?) major players. if they reach only nearly to the salescount of galaxy S series... I will reconsider.

desire vs. galaxy?

not worth thinking of. the hardware is superior of the galaxy S. the software? with some tweaks here and there: at least equal. and software can be (and will be) improved.

more and more drivers are opensourced... so it will be easier for devs e.g. to build CM.

and with CM, there will be gingerbread.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] szczeslaw:
That's just because Desire is almost exactly the same, as Nexus One, so HTC already had optimised Froyo from Google (and they've just added sense to it).

However Desire Z and HD are based on a different SoC, so they will have to do everything by themselves. And they are not so good at that, considering older HTC Phones.

Besides, Hero got just 1 update (and almost a year after it was promised). So... Maybe the same story will be with Desire? "Come on - let us earn some money, will ya? We already gave you an update for Desire. Now it's time for you, to update your phone to our brand new and amazing Desire HD." That's exactly what they did with Hero and Magic, when Legend showed up.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] bilboa1:
Yep.

Besides these phones are not free of issues at all. Take a look at the DHD forum for example.. instead of the SGS forum:

http://xdaforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=755

Funny irony.. DHD shipped with a lag bug.. that's right. It's not file system related, but still ;-) (it's the init bug and taking all resources)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Dr_Known:
Excellent review tbh ..

I bought SGS couple months ago and there was some lag but then i routed the device and i downloaded "Spare Parts" for fast animations either Window or Transmition .. and now the SGS soo fast I havent seen any laag for long time now ^^ ..

But For me the best smartphone i’ve ever seen is the SGS it gives everything either Hardware or Software and financially as well :D ​
[Galaxy S I9000 General] chichoko:
I suppose HTC didnt build the Desire accidentaly ;) It was a smart move to make a phone similar to the Dev phone in order to ship updates sooner.. I prefer getting new updates sooner than having higher scores in Linpack.. but thats just me :) i hope the OP has already made his mind on which phone suits him best :)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] szczeslaw:
First of all, the Question was if it's better to buy Desire Z or SGS. Desire Z is based on defferent SoC then Desire and Nexus One, hence it won't get updates, as soon as Nexus does.

Second of all, HTC built Desire just after building Nexus One for Google. Both devices were based on the same SoC. Not because HTC wanted to give people updates, as soon as possible, but because it was the best SoC available back then (and the only one, that suited high-end device at the time).

Third of all, next Nexus will be probably based on Hummingbird, wich means that this time it will be SGS, that get's the updates right after Nexus S (if not official, then made by XDA Devs). Of course there's a possibility, that the new Nexus will be based on Samsung's Orion. Then it won't be SGS, but some new Samsung device ;)

It doesn't change the fact, that next Nexus will be from Samsung, so this time Samsung will be able to deliver updates faster, for it's new models based on the same hardware as Nexus. HTC will struggle, because they're phone are based on different platforms.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] chichoko:
First of all judging from the topic's title he refers to the original Desire aswell..

I agree to your second statement but i said about the frequent updates out of my personal observation.. which to me seems as a valid point for HTC to release a phone so close spec wise to the dev phone..

On your third though.. you are based upon a device that isnt out yet and we dont have any clue when it will be.. and as you said yourself, maybe the next Nexus will be based on a different CPU so maybe the updates wont come as easy on the SGS..

Anyway, i suppose the OP wants to buy a phone asap so i really hope he made his mind out of all the on and off topic replies we wrote here :)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Auzy:
Fact? *cough bs* RUMORED TO BE. There has been NO proof that is this case, other than a blurry photo, and rumors. Wait until it becomes fact before claiming that it is one.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] digitheatre:
So who's gonna bet...Nexus S will be from Samsung or HTC?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] bilboa1:
ceo of google calling it the nexus s kind of help this rumor dont u think ;)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Dr_Known:
Of course it will be from Samsung ... Check this :

http://www.xda-developers.com/android/xda-exclusive-gingerbread-2-3-nexus-s-pictures/

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[Galaxy S I9000 General] szczeslaw:
You're probably right. I just assumed, that when we're talking about Desire Z and HD, that rules out the Original Desire, as it's based on older version of Snapdragon, therefore it's hardly the same series (and i didn't notice the comma after "Desire" in the topic title ;) ).

I know, that you are talking out of your personal observation - you own the Desire.

My point is, that Desire was kind of special device - almost the same as Nexus One. But other HTC phones, based on different hardware, do not get updates as quickly as Desire. And i'm also talking out of my own experience (before SGS i had HTC Hero).

So saying, that if Desire is getting updates almost right after Nexus, then the same will be with other HTC devices, for me is far from true. It's wishfull thinking.

You're right. It's not a fact yet.

http://komorkomania.pl/2010/11/25/nexus-s-w-rekach-forumowiczow-xda-developers

Judging by these pictures, it's almost certainly HTC ;)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] mdalacu:
Don't switch to HTC DHD

Don't switch over to HTC DHD, you will be disappointed. I did and now i search for an way to get my money back. Stick with SGS until a better phone arives.

Camera is way better on SGS. If you have the latest lagfixes then the SGS also performs faster.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] shazi26:
HIya

Mate dont ask anyone about a phones function it's best to do ur own research by comparing phones on the net keep looking until u are sure what u want.the person that told u that sgs has a gps issue is probably misleading u or because he or she has a htc which they think its better .iv had a sgs gt i9000 for 4 months now but never had a problem with gps its only when you mess about with the hardware it will mess up.and I'm not just saying it bcuz Iv got the sgs iv also got the htc desire its good but not as good as sgs.hope this helps.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] chichoko:
Thats the most right advice up on here.. thats what i did in my case and opted for the Desire..

Check out the forums of those devices here on XDA to get the best picture of day to day use by those who have it.. its amazing what things you can learn here ;)

As for the SGS gps issue.. even samsung aknowledged it so its not misleading.. its just that maybe your phone didnt have any issues with it..
[Galaxy S I9000 General] bilboa1:
You contradict yourself :P

Ive a I9000 and i'm glad I've that instead of the DHD. Told a friend to get a DHD and he's disappointed not to have taken an I9000.

I think both are pretty OK phones, the best is really when you can go test them for yourself.

The I9000 totally need it's lag fix.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] AllGamer:
I want to try a DHD as well, but they don't have NAM (850/1900) bands for 3G :(
[Galaxy S I9000 General] CastleLord:
Hey folks with the knowledge!

I'm planning on getting myself an new phone for christmas and i'm leaning towards the SGS. I'll use my phone for these things:

Internett

movies/tv series

and Gaming

But one thing that concerns me is did the lag get fixed with 2.2?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] appelflap:
had a SGS, bought a Desire HD and now I'm back again

I've had a Desire HD. I couldn't resist it when it came out. I sold my SGS and went with the new kid on the block with the big screen.

And now I am back. Sold the Desire HD a few days ago and bought a 16gb SGS back. Why? The DHD had four major flaws I just couldn't live with. First and most important, the built-in speaker is so bad that I hardly noticed a incomming call, no matter how much I pumped up the volume. Second, the bass output is so enormously on that device that I just couldn't use my great Shure SE 500 in ear phones with bass monitor for it. I had to buy a seperate cheap headphone for it to make it sound acceptable (which could be a pro for some :) ) Third the screen quality is not great when you compare it to the super amoled screen of the SGS. At first I was fine with it but after a while I just missed the SGS screen. Fourth, I think that the design, weight, dimensions and feel of the SGS are just perfect for a phone. The DHD was too heavy and too big for me.

Mind you I'm not a fanboy. I was very eager to give my SGS up for something that looked to be a better overall phone/device. Well it is not (in my perspective)

Btw in all my gadget years I just once bought a device back that I sold before. (The Jordada 680) This is my second. For a gadget freak this really means something. It means, hey ****... that thing I had with all those bells and whistles was actually very useful :D
[Galaxy S I9000 General] diehard2222:
My thoughts :

Sgs - way better gpu, way better screen, way better internal memory, way better camera, way better loud speaker, better battery, lighter thus easier to use with one hand

Dhd - way better stock performance so no need for a lag fix, camera flash, sense ui, more ram... Hmm thats about it really.

Cpu on both phones are about the same.

Glad I have a sgs. Dhd sucks imo.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] CastleLord:
Ok so the phone has gotten better, but lags at remote times?

because i can easily live with some small lag that i'm used to, but i just don't want a phone that lags on everything.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] silverstorm:
The most recent leaked JPU firmware which is version 2.2.1 of Android is reported to be very smooth with many improvements, including general speed and GPS performance. It does have some bugs, but if you wait for the official release of 2.2.1 due to come out very soon (Samsung have said Decemeber/January) it should transform the Galaxy to demonstrate more of its true potential.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] CastleLord:
Nice! :D i'll most probabally get my-self this phone then :)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] betoNL:
First of all the desire HD is WAAYY faster , out of the box...

I mean you can tweak the sgs like crazy, and get the best optimized kernel with the best lagfix/file system conversion and the Desire HD( out of the box) , still will be almost twice faster.

And btw the Desire HD and the sgs are not in the same league.

You should be comparing the SGS with with the standard HTC Desire.

Desire HD should be compared with the Samsung Nexus S of course.

Anyway I still have to run more tests with the Desire HD (wife's).

One turning point for me is the sound: Sgs's wayyy better.

So, no matter how much samsung messed up with its android's approaches....

Sound and image rock on the sgs.

And eventhough The Desire HD get satellite locks much faster than the sgs, sgs's locks and onboard navigation with no a-gps are much more reliable/stable.....
[Galaxy S I9000 General] DamianGto:
You are to funny.

Sgs beats the desire hd all day long.

Even Sgs is better then nexus s. Why? Well its almost the same phone, but Sgs has external sdcard.

**Using my own JPX kernel, z4mod, 345MB Ram and ext2 filesystem**
[Galaxy S I9000 General] GrandArcher:
Hey guys ! Which one of this phones is more suited for reading books ?

Galaxy S has better colors and very nice antiglare coating, but I heard penTile just sucks for text.

On the other hand Desire HD screen looked washed out on YouTube videos and very reflective.. Also screen would eat battery in matter of couple of hours (right ?), so not too good for text either...

I would stick to iPhone 4 due to the superior screen... But I desperatly wish for it to be bigger.

So I need your advice ! please !! Help !!!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] J-Hop2o6:
Samsung now have SAMOLED+ (Plus) which I believe removes PenTile.. search on google for some more info on Super AMOLED Plus.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] GrandArcher:
All I found for this new screen is Samsung I9100 Galaxy S 2

and it is not even officialy announced yet...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Javalu:
So Samsung have a fix already? What's your source for this?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] mickeko:
Well, it's hardly likely that they've missed all the posts around here about the issue, so even if the "leaked" JF5-JFB russian firmwares are fake Samsung surely knows how to fix the issue.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Cooki3s:
Doubt they are fake since Kies recognizes the firmware when plugged in.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] samjuan:
you know this is the same story of the Omnia II repeated here!!!

We where waiting for a proper openGL drivers since the day we've purchased the phone to fix the lag and graphics issues, and now, almost one year, nothing happened!

I think I am going to give this phone a pass this time...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Ramsey:
The Phone is still extremely fast

the only lag is when closing an application for me. and not all, only a few, the main ones, phone, contacts, sms, chompsms etc.. take 1-2 seconds to close sometimes. that's all. the rest of the phone is very fast and graphics are very fast too, especially the internet browser, fastest i've used !

opening any application (except 3d gameloft games) is nearly instant.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] dlci:
I'd add - The same story not only with omnia 2, but with Omnia 1 as well. 6-8 months were lost while trying to wipe out all the crap Samsung had put inside and reduce the lag. I'm not buying another smartphone blindly again.

By the way I was just testing it in a shop nearby - wouldn't call it that laggy, but can't compare with the iphone 3gs. The firmware was FJ3 or smth. similar. But it was laggy. And too many issues on top.

Samsung, are you listening - either fix the lag and most of the issues before releasing Froyo or drop the price at 350€! Else NoGo.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Cooki3s:
Coming from a desire I have to say the lag is pretty annoying (a lot less now that I've rooted it and changed some stuff around, check s.modaco.com for that). Also heard some people say that it's not the quality of the memory, but the way it's partitioned, which would mean that it should be fixable and give very good speed (since samsung is using a new variety of memory in the phone).

However, this phone has a lot more potential than the desire. It doesn't lag in the applications itself due to better hardware (try playing asphalt 5 properly on a htc desire, and you will know what I mean), the Super amoled screen solves a lot of the issues of the desire's amoled (better visiblity in sunlight, no "pink" greys, brighter,...). Take that and the front camera, great video recording @ 30 fps, better battery, more memory, better wifi/bluetooth and I really don't regret paying 50€ more (managed to sell my desire for near full price:) ) for it.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Ramsey:
I love the camera Cooki3s on this phone!

the 720p recording is greaaaat especially when you put contrast to the highest and saturation. wow the colors are beautiful (much nicer than compressed Youtube videos)

and picture quality is very good outside

in low light it's amazing once you put night mode, it functions almost like a flash (except in complete darkness)

there's just a bug or maybe that's how they designed it where it doesn't save the settings for contrast/saturation/sharpness in the camera/camcorder :@ grr.. gotta set it up each time I wanna use the camera..
[Galaxy S I9000 General] HüskerDü:
Think twice before buying a Samsung in the hope of firmware update. I went through the odissey of the Galaxy last gear and had enough. ... customer service must nave a strange meaning for Samsung. Better wait
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Kilack:
Hi,

Was googling the lag issue which brought me to this thread.

I have seen the workarounds at modaco with people moving certain directories to the nand and then linking it but it isnt a great way to solve the issue due to the small amount of room on the nand.

I see people here talking about russian firmware being leaked. Does this firmware fix the lag or something?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] aksd:
I've moved from a nexus one to a Galaxy S, Initially I regretted the decision but a day later I love it, its got better battery, its quicker and with advanced task manager there appears to be no lag whatsoever.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Kilack:
Yeah I came from a nexus one too, I love this galaxy but the lag is irritating.... You shouldn't have to run task killers etc and in fact android like most modern OS's are designed to manage memory very efficiently and task killers interfere with that.

Hopefully samsung can fix the issue, then the phone will be awesome..
[Galaxy S I9000 General] JaGuR:
Samsung have released NEW firmware, and will be releasing a new one again monday apparently, in an effort to fix the lag
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Kilack:
Great to hear, where did you hear that?

I am sure they are working on it, probably worried that the 4 american carriers won't be so keen to carry this phone etc :)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] mark99uk:
Where have you seen that, any link for that please ?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] bookwormat:
I don't know about the new firmwares on monday. However, youtube.com/radiogirl83 recently documented the lag on youtube, and she got a new firmware directly from samsung that she says reduces the lag.

See:

galaxy s review:

youtube.com/watch?v=kiMKLb0zCjw&playnext_from=TL&videos=diz5IyrNQT4

demonstration of the blackouts:

youtube.com/watch?v=cB1b0UrX9e0&playnext_from=TL&videos=bFCrrfGqF4k
[Galaxy S I9000 General] mickeko:
I sure hope it doesnt. Lag is not something I want to be improved. I really hope you/she was meaning it reduces the lag?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] bookwormat:
;) . I updated my post.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] mark99uk:
She says it appears to have made some difference but the problem is still there however
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Kilack:
She said its very rare now and if it does happen its a very small lag compared to what it used to be.

So that is good at least, hopefully they will keep working at it.

I'm sure with the new firmware plus froyo the phone will be flying...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] tenkom:
I installed an app called automatic task killer and set it to kill all but the music player and browser and the lag is gone. All the core apps like messaging,phone,gmail, contacts and such start up in less than a second. Seems the phone starts doing crazy stuff when the memory starts filling up. Maybe adjusting the threshhold at which the os starts killing apps would help.