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[Fascinate General] erasmogjr:
Is it at all possible that the notification is showing through the app. I remember on my droid with some themes if they werent done very well you would see the notification bar very very slightly through other apps like the browser or market or other apps. Do you have a theme installed? I am not calling anyone a liar but i use screeble to keep my screen on when downloading stuff or browsing which means my screen stays on for hours at a time all the while displaying the notification bar and I use the 12 hour clock. I got this phone on launch day aboout ten minutes after the store opened and I have nothing like what you say. If it really is happening I say go to the store and let them look at it I know at my local store they dont have techs anymore so the reps call the shots as far as replacements and they gave my wife an incredible for a messed up droid 2 without even blinking and the droid 2 was rooted when they looked at it. lol

Somehow i think there might be a different explanation for this.
[Fascinate General] ErisDev:
Ok then if you cant see it when its off can you see it when its on and under normal usage?
[Fascinate General] jbrdr985:
You can see it when using the screen test app when making the entire screen blue or red. I can't see it in daily usage because it hasn't gotten that bad. Hopefully it doesn't get worse.
[Fascinate General] mgmtm3:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=673513

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=799750&highlight=burn (this one is our same screen)

http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php/1640881-My-Nexus-One-has-Screen-Burn-In-of-Notification-Bar

This is not a lie. Check any phone manufacture with a OLED screen and you will see that they have burn-in issues. Mine has it very faintly but its there and I keep mine on a 30-second lock. I checked my work buddies N1 and he had it where the notification bar is located. This screen technology is pretty new to the market still I would not make assumptions on how well it resists burn in.
[Fascinate General] jbrdr985:
I switched to the 24 hour clock so it doesn't show am/pm, but I can still see am when I go into the screen test app. I don't know what else would cause this. I'm obviously not the only one seeing this.
[Fascinate General] DevinLeFevere:
Glad I haven't had a notification bar since day one.
[Fascinate General] ErisDev:
I dont know guys, im not seeing it. From what your describing im not using it any differently. I guess im just lucky huh. My friend has the Dinc from day one and I dont notice any burn in at all. If you dont see it in normal usage then I dont see the problem. Call me what you will but why make a big deal of it if you arent seeing it during normal usage. Are there any reports where the burn in has got so bad that it shows during normal usage? Without the stupid screen test app.
[Fascinate General] mgmtm3:
Because I have had the phone for two weeks and it has already happened to me. I imagine it could get quite worse and now I know what to avoid. Others have had this happen also with multiple replacements. The forum posts will attest to that. I already said I am not going to return it but its also good to know about and maybe some people will try to find some fixes for it. Isn't that what this forum is for?
[Fascinate General] jbrdr985:
I turned auto rotate on in launcher pro now so I rotate it once in a while to move the notification bar.

I'm not going to return mine either, I love this phone. It doesn't bother me at all right now...I guess I'm just worried it will get worse and noticeable during normal usage.
[Fascinate General] blazingwolf:
If it was screen burn in then it would be seen at all times. Not just every once in a while.
[Fascinate General] jbrdr985:
What do you mean? It is seen at all times when a certain color is put in that area (screen test app). So if my notification bar suddenly turned blue or I opened up something blue that made the notification area blue, it would be seen. The screen test app just makes it easier to see.

It's not that bad right now which is why it can't be seen with other colors in that area.
[Fascinate General] mgmtm3:
It has been there the whole time. It doesn't go away it just gets harder to see it under certain colors. It is easiest for me to see it under the Gray and Blue colors on the screen test app. I have tried to reset the phone, leave it off with no battery over night and nothing makes it go away completely so far.
[Fascinate General] blazingwolf:
According to remarks made so far it is seen when in certain colors. True screen burn in will be seen at all times no matter what you have done to the screen. You should not need the color test app to see screen burn in.
[Fascinate General] mgmtm3:
My post one up from this? If I put on a youtube video I can see it the whole time you just have to look hard. These are the very early stages of what I believe to be screen burn. It's always there, it doesn't go away. Please read the posts of N1 and other SGS models with the same issue that I posted earlier. I keep saying this is not the end of the world but it is indeed there and nothing other then screen burn can really explain it.

So far on the Vibrant forum almost 20% of 155 people have found this screen issue and the phone has been out for a small amount of time. This is more then just a couple people having this.
[Fascinate General] blazingwolf:
So, when you turn off your device you see AM in the corner?
[Fascinate General] mgmtm3:
The screen is completely black when the device is turned off. I will check it with a flash light to see if anything is physically on there.

What I think is happening here is that the pixels that are most used in a constant state of illumination (white) such as the AM/PM are getting light degradation. Commonly know as screen burn-in. This means that they are degrading slightly faster then the pixels around it so when the screen says a certain brightness they all receive the same signal but the AM/PM pixels are not able to get as bright as the rest around them since they have been worked harder.

"...plasma and OLED, which develop burn-in from luminance degradation of the light-emitting pixels." -wikipedia on screen burn in

I don't know if I am correct though, and I hope this is not the case. What I am doing is trying to figure out what exactly this is and if there is a way to solve it.
[Fascinate General] erasmogjr:
If this is really happening shouldnt the two dots between the hour and minutes also be burned in.

If it is happening maybe it has something to do with the brightness you keep the screen at.

I use auto brightness so maybe that it why I am not affected. Do you keep it at full brightness and if it is at auto brightness are you in brightly lit places alot. My work has dimmer light than most offices (cost cutting measure) so I assume my screen stays less bright then someone who works under the sun or in brightly lit offices.

edit: one more thought is it the am or the pm that is burned in shouldnt it just be the M that is burned in since the a and p interchange every twelve hours, also what about the white outline of the battery why isnt that burned in also. I am having a hard time understanding this lol not saying you are wrong but I would like to better understand what is happening.
[Fascinate General] blazingwolf:
Sure that is a known issue. However, it doesn't occur for some where along the lines of 15,000 hours of use (8 hours a day for 5 years). Have you come anywhere close to that? The blue color suffers from this length of time however the others have a longer span of time.
[Fascinate General] adrynalyne:
This.

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[Fascinate General] orateam:
Had my phone since early in the day when it came out. Heavy user, or i wouldn't be on this site. ran screen test with no burn ins detected. The only thing i can think of is that I tend to be 50/50 between landscape and potrait mode.
[Fascinate General] mgmtm3:
The "M" is by far the easiest to see (still quite hard since it is pretty faint.) Then its more of a P then A but you can see them both. Im pretty sure the P is more pronounced since I use the screen more in the daytime. The dots are there as well and I can see some thing of where my clock and network bars are located.
[Fascinate General] mgmtm3:
I'm almost completely positive that nobody with these issues has reached 15,000 hours as this screen technology as most of the OLED phones have been out for less than a year. N1/DINC/SGS'

This is a very new screen technology i'm sure we don't know all of its characteristics of how well they hold up over time.
[Fascinate General] blazingwolf:
I'm sure that the company that produces them does though.

I have not seen anything but anecdotal evidence that what you say is truly happening. How about you post a video or some images showing this phenomena.
[Fascinate General] ptfdmedic:
I had 2 epics prior to switching to Verizon that both developed burn in. I think it is an AMOLED thing.. On my Epics it was the dial pad that was retained as a burned in image. Nothing you can do. I have been hiding the top bar with Launch Pro. Also make sure that your display is set to auto dim. You could still see the dial pad when the notification bar was dragged down. Like a ghost image not real dark but once you notice it you can't "unsee it".

I don't think this is really common but it happened o my Epic but not my Fascinate..
[Fascinate General] ptfdmedic:
This issue is present in the Nexus One as well.

http://ip208-100-42-21.static.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=673513

I couldn't find it off hand but they have pictures in one of the threads...

This does happen....
[Fascinate General] blazingwolf:
Interesting. I'm still waiting for images from this device though as it is a different technology.
[Fascinate General] mgmtm3:
No its still AMOLED just like the N1. Its the base technology here of OLED and they all have burn in problems on the forums. Just because Samsung slaps SUPER on the front does not make it some brand new technology. The big difference between SAMOLED an AMOLED is that it has an integrated touch sensor and an anti sun-glare film. This changes nothing from the base of how the screen displays images. I can see it with my own eyes so obviously mine has it too. Other people have it also with the Vibrant and the Epic which is the SAME EXACT SCREEN/PHONE. This isn't some conspiracy to bring down the fascinate from the iPhone/Droid X community. :)

It would take a good camera to even catch how faint this is on the screen. I keep saying this is very very hard to see and its not the end of the world. This is obviously a problem and will get worse in time where in six months i'm sure it will be very easy to pick up on camera just like the Nexus ones are now.
[Fascinate General] blazingwolf:
So, your not willing to post images? Let us know when you are. I'm out. :)

Oh, adding a touch layer does make it a different tech.
[Fascinate General] mgmtm3:
Adding a touch layer has nothing to do with how the tech of OLED works. Stop being a troll. This is happening and its verified by multiple users on multiple forums. You want to call us all liars go ahead.

Just do a search around the XDA samsung galaxy phones for burn in.
[Fascinate General] adrynalyne:
Why is it not burning in the entire status bar?

Are you sure its not screen bleed through?
[Fascinate General] mgmtm3:
I don't think it would be screen bleed. It is happening anywhere there is constant white illumination. On the Nexus one it has a completely white (stock) notification bar at the top. The majority of people who have the burn have it all across the bar and color returns to normal around the AM/PM (opposite of us) which are black. Fortunately Samsung made the top bar on these phones a dark grey which keeps it from burning in but the numbers are pure white and that is where we are seeing burn.
[Fascinate General] jbrdr985:
Yep, it appears to be only white colors causing this, which is why I can see a little of the am/pm and the signal bars
[Fascinate General] activesack:
This is a documented problem.

data.4dsystems.com.au/downloads/micro-OLED/Docs/4D_AMOLED_Presentation.pdf

This was posted on page 7 of the My Nexus One has Screen Burn In of Notification Bar discussion.

Check out page 23 of the pdf. It states

Granted this is not industrial data-logger application, but it sure is close to being a static image. And keep in mind this is data taken during a mere 96 hours.

You can also see that red isn't the best either. For my device so far, I cannot see clear image sticking, but I definitely see distortion on blue in the clock area of the notification bar in both portrait and landscape. And for some reason I see distortion in the red in the landscape portion. I'm surprised since for a week or so I was using portrait only.

I was off auto-adjust for a while, too. I liked the brighter screen even in indoor situations.

And for the record, I can see it being a huge problem. Especially since I have only owned the device for 1 month out of 20 minimum.

This seems to be WORSE than image burn-in. As far as I know, image burn in occurs only when an image is left on for an extended amount of time. In other words, it can basically be reset after a period of rest.

This 'image sticking' seems to be a result of aggregate usage.
[Fascinate General] blazingwolf:
Exactly. If it was burn in where are the rest of the white colors?

@mgmtm3,

I'm a troll for disagreeing with you? That's funny. This coming from a noob.
[Fascinate General] ptfdmedic:
I don't believe there is a backlight on AMOLED screens. Each pixel lights independently of one another. Hence the black levels.
[Fascinate General] broncobiker:
Your a troll because rather than read the links, proof, and facts given on the technology you continue to take the path of ignorance and hinder discussion.
[Fascinate General] blazingwolf:
Actually I have read all of the links and looked at the pictures provided. I have also done research on my own. Some of the images shown as proof show absolutely nothing. Others do which is why I sad it was interesting but I would like to see images from this phone. So far no one has been able to, or no one wants to show images showing this issue on this device. The fact that other devices have an issue does not mean that another will have it despite what you might think. The device I have does not have any ghosting or "burn in" or anything.

Next time you might want to know the facts before you spout off.
[Fascinate General] mgmtm3:
You have a 1000+ posts, ill bet you have helped a lot of people, but right now you are just causing a side argument. It's pretty obvious many people have this issue. This is not just one or two people making a big fuss that nobody else sees to try to scare people over nothing. Why don't you add something to the discussion instead of trying so hard to disprove it.

I have an idea! Since you seem to be so confident in Samsung's data on how long their screen will last why don't you leave a black background with a pure white static dot the size of a pea on your screen. Make sure to turn it up to full brightness for a couple days, keep the screen on the whole time. Obviously it shouldn't be of any harm since this is SUPER!!amoled and not that junk regular AMOLED that the N1 has burn-in issues with. (/sarcasm)

It's not that I don't want to show you pictures. I'm not on here to hide evidence or keep people guessing. I just don't have a DSLR/camera good enough to pick up on how faint it is. The second best camera in the house is my roommates Droid X.

If anyone has a nice camera could you please shoot a picture of this so he will finally have his proof that we are not all lying and go away.
[Fascinate General] mgmtm3:
I just realized that this bickering is never going to stop. I am moving on to how to reduce/fix this issue. Here are some tests I have been doing that have seemed to clear stuff up a bit.

First off if you do not have burn-in yet you AND YOUR KIDS still might be at risk! (FOX NEWS SCARE TACTIC STYLE!)

-Keep the phone on military time

-If you have the beautiful widget clock turn the font color to a light gray (or something else other than white)

-Try to mix up the backgrounds a bit, I get bored with my backgrounds quite easily and I change them around once a week.

-Use both portrait and landscape mode often to shift the screen around.

-Keep a screen lock of under a minute.

-Turn off "Stay awake" mode when USB is plugged in Settings->Applications->Development

-Do not use an always on static alarm clock in dock mode.

If you already have some burn-in I have found some ways to reduce the effect. This is yet to be proven science here but I would urge a couple more people to try this and post results. As always try at your own risk.

-Download the jscreenfix from the market and leave it running on full brightness for atleast 30 minutes to an hour. I left mine on for multiple one hour periods. It has reduced the effect and imprint. It is still there but harder to see.

-Other forums have also suggested leaving a white/grey screen on (like a flashlight app) for an extended period of time that you feel comfortable with.

These methods are not instant! I did not run the jscreenfix for 10 minutes and all problems soved.

This is all testing and none of this is science yet. If we have more people submit back results or better ways i'm sure we can relieve the worry and get back to power using these awesome phones!
[Fascinate General] blazingwolf:
You know, the funny thing here is I'm trying to have a constructive conversation with you guys but instead, because I don't agree with you, you call me troll and and tell me I'm arguing with you. :rolleyes:

Not my phone to do with as I will or I would give your idea a try. Alas the wife does need the phone.

I understand that you don't feel that you have a camera that is good enough to post images but what about the rest of the people in this thread that say they have the issue?

My other question is why did you need a 3rd party program to find this "issue"? Just seems weird to me that this was the only way to get it confirmed.

I'm not the only one that disagrees with your hypothesis either as can be seen in the threads that have been linked to in this thread as well as other that have not been mentioned here.

I have read, as you mentioned in the post above this, that using a single color on the screen can help with this issue but this kind of proves my point that it is not screen burn in. True screen burn in can not be removed by doing anything. If this is fixing your "issue" then perhaps it will help those others that are saying the same thing.
[Fascinate General] mgmtm3:
I just asked two posts ago for anyone out there with a good camera to take a pic of it.

I have said repeatedly that its not easy to see it anyway, but it is ALWAYS there. Not just under one color it just makes it easier because it can really brighten up the screen and make it all a flat color to compare too. If I watch a youtube/play angry birds I can also notice it in the corner. I'm really tired of you taking what we are saying and turning it into "ONLY CAN SEE IT UNDER ONE COLOR ON AN APP." I had confirmed this in earlier posts many times by saying its always there, meaning not just when a screen test app is on. The only reason people suggest the screen test app is because it allows people to test if they have it by making it easier to see. So it's there, it has yet to go fully away.

My thinking here is that this is happening because like a plasma screen, OLED has a break-in period where the screen is prone to faster OLED brightness degradation. What the jscreenfix app does is help break in the other pixels around it to the same level evenly. In the weeks ahead I am going to keep at it and see if I can keep "burning" stuff into the screen after breaking it in some more. I hope it gets harder and harder to do.

Call it whatever you want, i'm calling it burn-in. Deal with it. :cool:
[Fascinate General] erasmogjr:
You call it screen burn in...I call it attenuation. lol

Lets do this how the "professionals" (verizon tech support) would handle a situation like this

My phone has screen burn in - you

Lets try factory resetting the phone - verizon

I already wiped it - you

Did you use cloth or something rough - verizon

No factory reset it -you

hmmm...just a minute -verizon

(brief hold period)

ok we are going to send you a CLN device if thats ok -verizon

lol problem solved geeze why do people get so worked up

</icebreaker>

so i think the problem here is that you are using a term to describe your problem that someone who is actually trying to help you associates with another problem.

Rather than saying ok well if this is not screen burn in lets find out what it is you say no I dont care what it is I am going to call it screen burn in. So now you are trying to remedy screen burn in when really you should be trying to find out what it really is. Lets all find a way to figure out what it really is and then find a way to fix it.

You wouldnt want to go to a team of doctors for a broken leg and have one say no all of you are wrong its a deadly virus in the leg CUT IT OFF OMG!!!!! lol

Instead they take xrays asks you where it hurts and say oh ok just throw a cast on it.
[Fascinate General] mgmtm3:
The problem here is that this is not leg surgery and we have no idea what this actually is. I have never claimed that this is 100% totally screen burn in. Its all speculation. For now, thats what I am going to call it. If you look up on any forum posts everyone is referring to it as "burn-in" So I am going to call it the generally accepted term for consistency. The reason for this is when people come to search our forum they know what we are talking about. We are sitting here bickering over naming when in fact we have the symptoms and I am trying to figure out how to solve it.

Lets cut the crap guys. If you want to start a thread about the proper naming of it then go ahead and dedicate your time to it. I am going to get the word out about it and warn people of something that these symptoms are happening and maybe how to fix it (hopefully). So far I have suggested putting a pixel fixer app on the phone this is hardly cutting off a leg. (even though I understand what you are saying)

My previous post tells what I think is happening here. Even people using the Nexus One for six months now don't have a proper name for it other then "burn-in". I don't think anything other then the actual manufacture of the screens are going to be able to properly diagnose. So I am going to go on fixing symptoms which if we can fix the symptoms who cares what we call it?

btw thats exactly how verizon tech support works. "I know this is a hardware problem in the screen why would we do a factory reset"......."Sir, we are sending you a refurb, we will make sure to screw up and post a 500 dollar charge to your account that you will have to call in again to fix"
[Fascinate General] erasmogjr:
I have had at least twenty of Verizons certified like new and refurbs and I have never had a single issue with the device or billing for it so I say if this is a legitimate issue just have it replaced as it is hardware and as you say only the manufacturer can properly diagnose what it is. If you are within your thirty days go to the store and demand a brand new one from experience I can say they will not refuse and if they do try a different store. If it is really bothering you enough to spend this much time "fixing" it then have it replaced. Make a really big deal and they will reset your contract date and you can keep your replacement phone sell it on ebay and buy a brand new one. I have done this with the droid, incredible, and X all for legitimate issues like this one. It is how I got this fascinate lol
[Fascinate General] neyenlives:
mine doesnt show it and i have had it since launch basically....but i also always hit the lock/power button any time i put it down so the screen stays off unless i am using it