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[Windows Phone 7 General] Casey_boy:
Why has this thread been renamed?

At the moment, it is a pointless thread with no real information it. The thread title leads me to believe that Cotulla has actually replied to the thread and is keeping us updated...which he hasn't and he isn't.

I'm not saying close the thread, but just questioning why the thread title was changed. If anything, it should be [pre]WP7 on HTC HD2 (discussion) or something...

Casey
[Windows Phone 7 General] pernaboy:
I cant imagine when I have runnig winp7 on my monster .... cotulla ..god bless u

I wish ... I wishh .. I wishhhh ..I'll try winp7 with no BUG !!!!!!!!!!

que ==>> is there a new video about winp7 on HD2???
[Windows Phone 7 General] Gaz25:
I agree :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] pernaboy:
i agree too
[Windows Phone 7 General] Yogi70:
really appreciative of the hard work you put in cotulla and all devs working on this. i can only assume the doubters have not seen the fruits of your previous labours. looking forward to final product
[Windows Phone 7 General] siepeltjuh:
Where is the best place to keep updated about development progress? Cotulla didnt post anything in this thread and probably wont do that. That is fine, but is there any place he or others will post updates, questions, issue`s they encounter or whatever is on their mind about wm7 port to hd2
[Windows Phone 7 General] Mehrdad201:
he has a twitter page

visit http://www.twitter.com/cotullacode

but it is very crowded page because cotulla is working on many projects :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] NikolaiT:
For anyone wondering how well WP7 will perform on the HD2 think of the HD7, its running the same 1st-gen snapdragon processor, same amount of RAM, etc.

The only real changes to the HD7 is the kickstand, 720/24p video recording, and number of buttons, (excluding the cosmetic changes).
[Windows Phone 7 General] Pierce Zhang:
If come WP7 on HD2 before the delivery data is the best, haha:)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Signo371:
I second this motion!!!

The man must not own a WM Phone with Android or, basically, anything custom on it otherwise he'd know Cotulla's name.
[Windows Phone 7 General] emigrating:
What about the hardware scaler? You forget about it or are you trying to say there's one in the HD2 also?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Mehrdad201:
You're right my friend

because of reason that you mentioned it in your post

I am definitely sure that WP7 will be ported on HD2:)
[Windows Phone 7 General] gligi:
it is amazing how sure the people are about the porting :D

what can you tell us more? do you have all drivers? how about speed?
[Windows Phone 7 General] pernaboy:
nap ..... cotulla make it best !

trust him...
[Windows Phone 7 General] Spl4tt:
as much as i know its not the same cpu.

our HD2 uses the QSD 8250, the HD7 uses the MSM8250... its a newer version wich got better graphics i think..
[Windows Phone 7 General] Gaz25:
Can someone confirm the processor for the HD7 and give the source?

I keep reading people say its still QSD 8250 and some say MSM8250

I heard its QSD8250 and this is my source.

HTC HD7 Spec
[Windows Phone 7 General] hoss_n2:
It is qsd not msm . No thing is named msm 8250 except on wikipedia . By the way microsoft listed hd2 with msm processor on their site may be it is only different names for same thing

But bith hd2 and 7 have same processor
[Windows Phone 7 General] FD10:
There are conflicting news...i think it'll have a MSM8250 Snapdragon
[Windows Phone 7 General] HRQ.SLV:
Great news!

There are rumors of another sucessfull port of WM7, this time to the TG01.

More here:

http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/toshiba-tg01-spotted-running-windows-phone-7
[Windows Phone 7 General] emigrating:
They all have the QSD8250 processor - even the Samsung which one would have expected using a Hummingbird CPU. The reason for this is that Microsoft has provided all the drivers and they concentrated on a single chip for now.

What this means is that there is no "porting" involved in getting WP7 on a HD7, it should run out of the box with all SoC features intact. Obviously that's not the whole story though as the chip being the same doesn't mean everything else is - such as the camera, hardware buttons, hardware scaler etc etc etc.

If you're dead set on running WP7 go out and purchase yourself a WP7 device, or if you can wait - just wait. Sitting here on the interwebs calling people Gods and whatever just shows how sad you really are.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mirakle:
Hmmm... Is it a TG01 or TG02??? That's not clear...

it could be a tg02 in a tg01 dress.

it could be any of the two.

I thought capacitive screen was required anyway.

moreover, tg01 has only 256 Mos memory...

Same picture has been published on wmp*weruser and they're titling this using 'TG02"

Check the tsunagi section here, there's a guy talking about a wp7 rom too.

(dev status is not really clear either; see 'Waiting for a tool to build XIP - ....')

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=662649

:eek:

That would clarify the qsd/msm8250 story concerning snapdragon cpu.

Oh well. :rolleyes:

edit: you can find tg01 for less than 200$ on ebay. :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] olyloh6696:
OMG!!

I have a tg01 too, i check our forum everyday! many developers have promised us wp7, but i highly doubt it is possible. we have a member nokser, who is in the process of porting it. we are still struggling to port android, let alone another more complex os. the picture above is a tg01, however it looks shinier than mine. (definelty not tg02,tg03 it has diffferent button allocations) also i doubt its a tg02, tg03 as toshiba have stopped the development due to the tie-up with toshiba and fujitzu mobile marketing. Also the codename tsnagi is for tg01. I hope this is not fake, and we can one day get a functional build on our tg01s!!!

OLY
[Windows Phone 7 General] Mehrdad201:
Because I've seen his job in Android project

We was one of the first people who started working on Android on HD2
[Windows Phone 7 General] gligi:
I like ports i never said otherwise :)

'Cortulla hasn't failed the community yet.' LOL So this gives everyone right to say it will be done? It is the same thing as if i would say it will NOT be done. Because i dont know also. So please stop writing bull**** that we cannot influence.:cool:
[Windows Phone 7 General] :
In an attempt to pull this thread out of a nasty hole...

Someone brought up a very good point earlier - the HD2 (to my knowledge) does not have a hardware scaler, something that is required for XNA on all WP7 devices. Does this mean that the HD2 will offload this processing to the CPU?
[Windows Phone 7 General] mirakle:
yes, this has been discussed here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=645034

I don't mind a few arctifacts or a less-than-perfect filtering on pictures... ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] hoss_n2:
the image scalar is a option in gpu not a separate chip and sense hd7 and hd2 have same processor and GPU so hd2 has image scaler,
[Windows Phone 7 General] orb3000:
MS won´t make it easy for Developers to make it happen but we all know the great minds around XDA like master Cotulla, he and many others have been working since WM5 and even before.

Now we have very old devices like my Universal working well with WM6.5, Leo having Android!

As far as my opinion we just have to wait and support Devs, let´s not push too hard.

Just my 2 pesos
[Windows Phone 7 General] Biggy_G:
what do you mean by starting WP7 on HD2? Did Cotulla removed WinMo 6.5 and installed WP7 to cleaned disk space? In case if he runs 2 operating systems on the phone, it doesn't make any sense, cuz 2 OSs are gonna eat your battery very fast. What about smoothness of WP7 on HD2?

Thank you gentlemen
[Windows Phone 7 General] addicus:
What? The tension or the cheese? Yuck!
[Windows Phone 7 General] pulser_g2:
Thread cleaned. Please note that the forum rules specifically prohibit religious discussion due to the flaming and offence that follows.

Nobody should try to force their views on anyone else, so keep this thread on topic, and no more religious arguments on XDA please.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rr5678:
You saw that Youtube video of WP7 on the HD2. the start animation was smooth

[YOUTUBE]HSRFA4eYhw8[/YOUTUBE]
[Windows Phone 7 General] ktz2kool:
Not exactly. He seems to be running it through a bootloader. Like a lot of us run android. The battery drain shouldnt be bad because it should 'kill' the OS while its running. Who can say bout the smoothness till its released for testing and such,
[Windows Phone 7 General] poiuyasdfg:
We can get upgrade from iphone but nothing except a "excuse" from Winmo, even can't get a hope, all we can is just "sitting here on the interwebs calling people Gods and whatever just shows how sad we really are."

We are customer? No! We are just some tini-tiny poor bugs! Thx god we have cotulla, XDA and some other super guys here and there who bring back us some hopes.

Why we spend hundreds bucks for a phone and stay here for discussing? For a super NO1 phone? No! We spend money and come here for fun! We really need all those function in our phone? No! We need to play! What happens now give us some fun or a chance to play? No! They just try the best to block every doors and windows to push us to pay more hundreds bucks! :mad:

We discuss some thing with others, we make the thing getting popular more and more(here's winmo), that's what we have done! Bug works! Bug pay for this work and can't get even 1 cent as reward! And they want us pay more and more!

Ok! Bug is tired. let WP7 business plan gose to the hell! We wait here! HD7? It's super! But we wait! We are just small bugs, not a rich guy like you!:)
[Windows Phone 7 General] steel69:
Shut up meg.

sent from my phone
[Windows Phone 7 General] unlockMe:
No, this is incorrect, HD2 and HD7 do not have the same chip.

HD2 has the QSD8250 with the Adreno 200 GPU

HD7 has the MSM8250 with the Adreno 205 GPU
[Windows Phone 7 General] rr5678:
What'chu talkin' 'bout Willis?

QSD8250, not MSM8250.

Listed as QSD8250

here: http://www.mobile88.com/cellphone/HTC/HTC-HD7/specification.asp

here: http://www.windowsphonethoughts.com/news/show/100343/htc-hd7-specs-revealed.html

here: http://www.htcphones.net/htc-hd7-specs-leaked/

so I don't think you can get the two confused after all that info :p
[Windows Phone 7 General] miphonematt:
I think most spec sheets still show the QSD, when in fact the new devices sport the MSM8250
[Windows Phone 7 General] rr5678:
HERE. This proves it's a QSD8250. Straight from the hors---Microsoft's mouth

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/presskits/windowsphone/glance.aspx

"HTC HD7

The HTC HD7 offers high-fidelity surround sound and a large 4.3" screen to provide great experiences with music, video and gaming.

Features include:

* 4.3", 800x480 touchscreen

* 4.8" x 2.68" x 0.44"

* 162g

* 512MB ROM/576MB RAM/16GB internal storage

* Qualcomm Snapdragon QSD 8250 1 GHz

* Battery life:

o WCDMA - Talk time: 320 min/Standby: 320 hrs

o GSM - Talk time: 380 min/Standby: 310 hrs

* 5MP camera with flash

* HD 720p video

* Kickstand

* Widescreen phone with Surround Sound

"
[Windows Phone 7 General] erghaize:
MSM8250 doesn't exist

qualcomm.com/products_services/chipsets/snapdragon.html

...
[Windows Phone 7 General] emigrating:
You are completely missing the point. Microsoft has never promised an upgrade (for obvious reasons) and since we don't own a Microsoft branded phone it has nothing to do with them. HTC is a company, companies are legally obliged to make money which is the reason they have not pushed for an upgrade path.

The reason you get updates with iPhone is because there are strict hardware specs in place - same as what MS has done with WP7, so if the platform is successful you can look forward to OS upgrades from now on.

Sure, there is nothing wrong with hoping for a community release of WP7 for the HD2, but the guys working on it are definitely not Gods or super humans.

As for the processor - ALL WP7 launch devices use the QSD8250 which includes the 200 GPU, the reason being what I wrote earlier. The next wave of devices will, if the platform is successful, include more powerful SoC's.
[Windows Phone 7 General] steel69:
Superhuman gods from planet hacker!

sent from my phone
[Windows Phone 7 General] Joker2206:
Well, gsmarena also says HD7 has same proc as HD2.

Actually, It would be much harder to see differences in hardware for this 2 phones.

So, this gives a hope that WP7 could be in few weeks/months running on HD2.
[Windows Phone 7 General] erghaize:
sure! and sooner than we think. HD7 has 5 buttons. 1 for the camera, 1 for power, and the 3 front buttons. Like the HD2 but not in the same place ...:D
[Windows Phone 7 General] adamvanner:
Irrespective of the exact CPU / GPU revision, scaling is pretty trivial process (video playback invariably requires it fr example) Even if the Adreno 200 GPU doesnt support it, a software implementation or one using GLES shouldnt add a significant performance hit. I'm sure devs like cotulla eat this kind of stuff in their sleep
[Windows Phone 7 General] poiuyasdfg:
First, I'm totally agree with your main point, MS or HTC or any other companies are legally obliged to make money for surviving, developing and fitting their shareholders. For this aim, they need do every thing they can, BUT in a right way. Business is all based on exchange, it means all factors involved in business could act in their own way. We have seen what sellers did, and we will perfome our reactions. Comsumer also legally have his right to maximise the reward from their investment (just like those shareholders), is it right? MS or HTC aren't obliged to provide a upgrade to HD2, the same way, customes aren't obliged to support these business and buzz marketing. It's the rule of game, every one do what he wants, isn't it? So the winmo comp is running in a right way? let's just wait and see...
[Windows Phone 7 General] homam_france:
cotulla can do it, it is not imposible.

for long time we thought that no WM5,6,6.1,6.5 for the magician,but only him did it.

for HD2 he will do it soon, and im very sure he can do it for other devices like photon or even HD1, i think he will make a big surprise for all.

i said that and u will see that soon.;)

good work cotulla,u r allways the best.:)
[Windows Phone 7 General] jakobhillman:
i'm excite! :-)

no but seriously, it would just feel wrong to buy a hd7 when the specs are about the same as the hd2 i already have, just to get the new wonderful wp7 OS.

so i'm rooting for cotulla or whoever is trying to crack this nut.

thank you in advance!
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tachi91:
You just be buying an HD2 with some new Cloths from the HTC/MS Store:D
[Windows Phone 7 General] emigrating:
While what you're saying is logical (to some extent) I fully understand (and support) the decision to not make WP7 upgrades available for older handsets. First of all there are very few, if any, devices on the market which would be able to run WP7 fully. Secondly, these devices do not follow Microsoft's strict hardware policies to a t, which as we all know causes major fragmentation and problems (just look at older WinMo devices - or even todays Android devices - no-one knows which version you get or if you can even get an upgrade to the latest release).

Of course it sucks, as a consumer, to purchase a device only to have it go out of fashion after a month or six - but that's the name of the game. If you purchase a new Plasma screen today, it's outdated by next spring. If you purchase a new video card for your computer today it's outdated by next month. This is why it's called consumables though - it's not like bricks and mortar which actually goes up in value as time goes.

Now, would HTC (as this is fully a HTC problem - Microsoft has nothing to do with this) have made more money in the long run by pleasing their existing HD2 users and offered an upgrade path? I doubt it. These days, [most] people are not brand loyal. They go with whatever offers the most bang for the buck. Looking at the current selection of WP7 handsets I'm not so sure HTC provides the most bang in any category. Their devices are priced the same as the competition and provide little, if any, valueadded features. LG on the other hand has DLNA which is Huge. Samsung has the SAMOLED screen. Dell has the physical keyboard. All HTC has to offer over the others is the 4.3" screen on the HD7 and the 8MP camera/xenon flash on the Mozart.

Sure, the .3" larger screen is nice, but it's not a deal-breaker and the 8MP camera doesn't mean jack until we've seen actual tests of it, but judging from their past cameras (HD2 for example) I'm not holding my breath.

Had the HD2 ever been sold as "WP7 upgradeable" things would be different, but HTC never stated that it would be and as such you should count yourself lucky they are still bringing out official WP6.5.x upgrades for it.

Personally I'm sticking with my HD2 for the time being. Quite happy running WM on it and the only reason I'm picking up a HD7 is to have a physical developers handset as there's only so much you can do on the emulator. Once the next wave of devices hit the market I'm hoping to see something Hummingbird powered with a 8 or 12 megapixel camera, optical zoom and 32GB onboard storage.
[Windows Phone 7 General] pkchips:
I don't really get you... effectively, you're saying you "support" the decision to not allow WP7 upgrades because it allows MS and HTC to milk more money from you :S. Why on earth do you want them to take more of your money, when the new products are only marginally better than what you already have?

Or do you derive pleasure from giving big companies more of your money? (lol :D)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Joker2206:
Word !!!!!
[Windows Phone 7 General] agniusm:
Ha ha, agreed.

Android is on hd2 so will b wp7, fact, not from MS than from devs ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] juggs:
It's up to the great developers here to make our devices "outlive" their lifespan. :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] he3:
I give up looking...

How many pages back is the last REAL update?
[Windows Phone 7 General] juggs:
No actual REAL update in this entire thread. Only think I'm watching is Cotulla's twitter.
[Windows Phone 7 General] he3:
Good tip. Thanks. I'll search for the URL.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ktz2kool:
+1 like to get stuff from a reliable source
[Windows Phone 7 General] louieyasashi:
if its from cotulla its definitely real...
[Windows Phone 7 General] NikolaiT:
I do believe there is a hardware scaler in the HD2.
[Windows Phone 7 General] calc:
Hmm i could think of one company with a similar business practice..... APPLE. Flocks of hipsters line up to any and all of their new products and i don't see one of them complain. People these days are so oblivious to tech.. it works, and no one seems to care.. well at least not Apple customers anyway.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rr5678:
It's amazing how damn oblivious they are. I was lurkin' in an Apple store here in NY (I go undercover to see how many people are sucked into the iCult :p)....ok, I was lurking and I saw this woman ask for an iPad and then she whipped out her credit/debit card and paid the full amount for the 3G/WiFi version (32GB), and I said to myself "My gaming laptop cost $100 more". Mind you, my laptop can play Flight Simulator X at full detail, 1080p too. So now who got the better buy? :p
[Windows Phone 7 General] emigrating:
No, I'm saying I support the decision because it's in the best interest for the platform as a whole. If you look at other posts by me (here and elsewhere) you'll find that I'm critical to the hardware at best, but given the two choices (upgrade lesser devices or make sure all devices follow the specs laid out) I prefer the latter - not only as a developer (although it does make our lives a lot easier) but also as a consumer because it means folks (ie. average people) will not get upset because App X or Game Y doesn't run as fluid on their device as they expected or as it does on their brothers/neighbors/friends device. This in turn leads to more positive reviews by your peers (as opposed to paid bloggers or bought tech journos) which means more people will accept the platform == more sales == a bigger chance of success.

So my view is still valid; if you want a WP7 device now, go out and buy one. If you already own a HD2 you can still sell it for close to what a HD7 will cost you (contract free) so you really ain't losing out considering you've already used your HD2 for months/years.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tmihai20:
You are all forgetting a very important thing. When the devs pull it off (because it is only a matter of time), it won't be legal to run WP7 on our HD2. I will try it myself to see how well WP7 is measuring to Android and WinMobile 6.x. Both pkchip and emigrating have solid points of view. I would not want to buy a new laptop everytime Microsoft is releasing a new OS. You can all agree that Microsoft has a different approach for Windows for desktops and WP7. They want as many PCs as they can get to run Windows 7, but they only want the few selected phones to run WP7. If they won't offer a upgrade to WP7 for HD2, we will see a lot of HD2 with Android. I, for one, will most likely go to Android if WinMobile 6.5 will slowly die. In the end it's up to them to minimize their losses. Let's just wait for devs to show us their magic by allowing us to try WP7 on HD2 :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] HD2Owner:
hehe.. you mean like this...?
[Windows Phone 7 General] addicus:
It won't be illegal the same way as running 6.5.x or Android on a HD2 or any other device is illegal. What it will be is unsupported by the manufacturers and OS makers. Don't make the mistake of thinking MS, HTC, Google and Apple don't know of this place. We should all thank our lucky stars that when this place expanded it chose to on Google products and not Apple or we may have all been hunted down and executed if Jobs saw the great things outside developers would do to his baby. MS and Google get a lot of free work done for them by XDA Devs. MS is taking half of the precautions it is in WM7 because of what is done here at XDA Devs because this place has made it popular to think beyond the boxes they give us and share in ways they didn't plan their product to be shared.

Also - I do understand that English is probably not your first language so I hope this didn't come off too harsh. We just want to stay away from using the word illegal when it doesn't fit.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rr5678:
they should make those 5 buttons into stickers so we can cover our HD2s with it. bam, 5 buttons that can be reprogrammed :p
[Windows Phone 7 General] ktz2kool:
LOL +1
[Windows Phone 7 General] nushuth:
on HTC websites there is an official page about HD7 with REAL specs.

http://www.htc.com/europe/product/hd7/specification.html

as you may notice, HD7 and HD2 have not same but IDENTICAL hardware except for internal 8/16GB memory. but HD2 is equiped with a microSD connector.

same processor, same amount of RAM (576MB...) same display, same button buth in different place (as erghaize says...)

this is the SAME PHONE!!!!!!!!!!!!
[Windows Phone 7 General] tonyjansen:
The specs are the same. We can only guess if the actual electronic components used are the same untill someone takes one apart to compaire.
[Windows Phone 7 General] emigrating:
But it will be illegal as you have not purchased the WP7 license from Microsoft to run the operatingsystem. This is not like Android as Google does not charge a license fee from OEMs, neither is it fully comparable to Windows Phone Classic (ie. WM6.5.x and earlier) as the OEMs have already purchased said license on your behalf.

Do I think that Microsoft will go after anyone for "porting" WP7 to the HD2? No, but that doesn't change the fact that in the eyes of the law it is indeed illegal.
[Windows Phone 7 General] endariel:
that too, but what are the odds for some parts to be different?
[Windows Phone 7 General] pkchips:
Seriously - If you know a way to sell your HD2 at such a high price, you would make me very happy if you share it with me. I'd sell my HD2 straight away.

If it isn't public info, please feel free to PM me.