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[Vibrant General] jtc442:
I'm on 16 now, still no bars unless I set my phone down? And why does it not show 0 with j16? Ill test at home tonight.
[Vibrant General] Faruk88:
Wow, how dense can you get?

Bars mean nothing, it's all about the REAL signal strength in dBm. I understand that the Vibrant and iPhone 4 both have different problems. I also understand that the Vibrant originally displayed the signal bars wrong. But you STILL haven't touched upon the fact that the Vibrant loses 20-30dBm when held in the hand NORMALLY without any death grip (regardless of whether you start off with a strong or weak signal). You're just running away from the facts and twisting my words around, trying to make it seem like I said things which I did not.

iPhone 4 has two exposed antennas which causes a 24dBm loss (according to consumer reports) when bridged. Samsung Vibrant just has a crappy antenna in general which loses 20-30dBm when held. iPhone 4 can be "fixed" with a case, the Vibrant can not. Different problems, similar results. But at least for the iPhone there's a workaround... With the Vibrant you're probably forced to hold it in some awkward way whenever you're in a low signal environment.
[Vibrant General] heygrl:
The -20-30dBm loss is due to the BROKEN -dBM READING
[Vibrant General] demo23019:
LOL exactly you didn't mention this at all he/she is twisting words like he did with me.

And he is calling you ignorant when the fact of the matter he is stereotyping you as an "iphone" know it all. And just because he doesn't have this issues this means its non existent to others, even with video proof and hands on experience...:rolleyes:

And also doing all this name calling because you have a different opinion than him.

says allot about his character ;)
[Vibrant General] demo23019:
........double post
[Vibrant General] heygrl:
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If you call that video "proof" of anything other than a software defect, you're a dolt. It's beyond well known that there was a problem with the -dBm and subsequently the ASU of which the Android system uses to determine the amount of bars.

You being on the edge of 3G and picking up a stronger EDGE signal has nothing to do with reception, others have already tried to explain this to you and you still don't get it.
[Vibrant General] demo23019:
AGAIN with the name calling :D

LOL i also said with HANDS ON EXPERIENCE

OP might have been talking about false 0dBm from old firmware that obviously was fixed in new JI6

We are not talking about...at least im not talking about false 0dBm reading I have been talking about the significant impact of covering certain part of the phone and dropping network caused because of weaker 3g signal. I have other unlocked phones to compare with my vibrant and they dont have this huge drop in bars on network because of covering antenna...this isn't our imagination it effects bandwidth...its quit easy to see when you drop from 3g to edge and back to 3g esp when loading page or downloading.

Youre the one who came to the conclusion that i was talking about these fake readings.... I was just give an OP a heads up about update and vibrant antenna and signal

This nonsense could have been avoided if you actually read post and not just jumped the gun with your stupid ranting and name calling

BTW

thanks for turning this thread into a flamefest
[Vibrant General] Faruk88:
lol awesome, it only took you 4 pages to comment on the actual issue at hand here.

But as far as I know, people here were reporting that there was a constant ~8dB offset between the dBm readings on the phone's service menu and the Android status screen. If it was simply an offset that was fixed in JI6, then your claim would be false.

However, if the method for calculating signal strength was completely changed in JI6 (i.e. not just a simple offset), then what you say could be true. But that needs to be verified, of course. And the way to verify that is for somebody with JI6 to share some numbers and/or post a video of the signal status on the phone while sitting on a table and while being held in hand. And like I've said before, what matters here is the signal drop in dBm, irrespective of whether it's in a strong or weak signal area to begin with.

Edit: And I agree with demo23019 here... I think that your name-calling and going off-topic is a direct result of you not being able to successfully argue your point.
[Vibrant General] heygrl:
I'm sick of explaining it over and over again for simpletons (demo23019 and faruk88). LIKE I SAID, it's tiring. Successfully argue my point? Please. Off topic? Your garbage video and post is off topic. The OP clearly has a different problem that was well established before you posted your garbage nonsense ranting about a "20-30dBm" signal loss. Do you know how drastic a difference that is? People would go from a signal to having no signal. It would be a MAJOR PROBLEM with plenty of coverage. Of course, you're just that simple.
[Vibrant General] Faruk88:
Go tell that to the dude from the video who went from -81 to -111dBm just by holding the phone in his palm.

If you feel so strongly about this phone that you have to keep defending it, you might as well save yourself the time and just show us some proof (i.e. a video).

And it's your fault for repeating the same crap. I never asked you to repeat yourself, I've been asking you the whole time to actually address the points that you keep conveniently avoiding.
[Vibrant General] lrobles787:
That's not true cuz my phone works anyway I hold it. I have been hearing that the JI6 fix the rest of the problems. Once I get the JI6 I will posted my own opinion how it works.
[Vibrant General] demo23019:
No one ever said the phone stops working after this..Mine is perfectly fine but im aware on weaker signal that this phone drops lower than any of my other phones in same location.

Anyways OP already made decision to RMA his phone.

And heygrl is going to be his arrogant self and continue to name call like a 5 years old and throw temper tantrum because he isn't getting his own way :rolleyes:

Please close this thread
[Vibrant General] fioricet:
all i have to say is that i have been visiting this website off and on for more than 2 years and have never posted since i always found what i needed by searching. but recently it seems that you have to read thru 5 to 50 pages just to find the answer. maybe there should be a arguing section.
[Vibrant General] jtc442:
well, if i can get a video myself, ill post one. but i can vouch for that guys video, mine is the same way. i can hold mine normal, and it shows -115 to -113 dbm, the minute i let go and hold the top of the phone or set it down, it will go down to 80 or so. also like in his vid, if i hold mine at the top, and even put my other hand anywhere near the bottom part of the phone, it almost immediately goes to -115.
[Vibrant General] fioricet:
confirmed

just tested the phone and yes when holding from the bottom it does drop 10 to 30.
[Vibrant General] ram130:
Same issue that was on the Nexus One. so I'm curious, WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU GUYS GONNA DO ABOUT IT?? Goto Samsung and report it? ...yea really?....goto the media and report it?...umm, really? look around at other phones that loose signal when held, some worst than others..do you really think the media is gonna care about your issue? I think not. Sue samsung? You will loose before you start..

Just enjoy the damn phone and get over it..THIS ISSUE IS NTN NEW...Stop wasting your time.

Nexus one thread: http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/android/thread?tid=0c0fb2a46ad64955&hl=en and Yes, I've been through it all since I owned one. I was also the one that reported it to Engadget and other news outlets.. Here is one story I gave to them: http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/07/nexus-one-complaints-mount-no-firmware-update-in-sight/ I even did a research and typed up a thesis on what I think the problem was but I never published it because it still didn't explain certain other factors.

Take it from me..Don't waste anymore time on this issue. If you can't live with it, get a new phone.
[Vibrant General] krook6023:
Thread closed
[Vibrant General] krook6023:
Update from OP...

The OP sent me a PM and wanted to make final post letting those who may be interested know how this was finally resolved.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] Kush Smoke:
Help Please... =( How do i unroot and put stock...
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] ekoandrew:
Just flash a manufacturer rom. Search in development, there is a post with all latest manufacturer rom.

sent from myTouch 3g 1.2 using XDA app
[myTouch 3G, Magic Apps and Games] ekoandrew:
Just wondering is there a way to cheat on Crystallight game? All I wanted is the ability points for upgrade ;P
[myTouch 3G, Magic Apps and Games] raduque:
Lol, there's no cheats for Crystallight. Just play the game.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Apps and Games] SingularityZero:
Sure. I don't know the game, but if it saves your game locally, you can probably edit the savegame with a hex editor or maybe even a text editor. The challenge lies in finding the save file though.
[Desire General] wrsg:
I successfully did this from scratch yesterday so thought i would help the noobs out by giving a small guide to the process from start to finish.

No gold card required.

I used Windows 7.

1. Install HTC Sync 3.0 to get the correct HTC USB drivers http://www.htc.com/uk/SupportViewNews.aspx?dl_id=982&news_id=776

installed on Windows. I didn't do this to start with, and was wondering what i had missed.

2. Uninstall HTC Sync but leave the drivers (they won't uninstall if you uninstall the main HTC Sync program).

3. Download Unrevoked 3.21 from http://unrevoked.com/recovery/

4. Optionally download Amon-ra Recovery for Desire http://code.google.com/p/amonra-mod/ and CM6 nightly (which i am using and is very stable) and the Gapps package from http://cyanogenmod.com/nightly (HDPI version is the one you need for Desire) and copy the 3 files to the microsd card. You can also change recovery later on if you wish, so don't feel pressured to do this now.

5. Run Unrevoked now while the phone is not connected, so you can change the recovery from Clockwork to Amon-ra if you choose.

6. Connect HTC Desire using the USB cable. Unrevoked will automatically detect the phone if the HTC USB drivers were installed correctly.

7. Unrevoked will now do the necessary flashing of the recovery and if all went well, you should be in root mode.

(optional) 8. Hold down the Volume down + Power buttons to boot into Amon Ra recovery. Wipe data and cache, then wipe dalvik cache, then flash the cm-bravo zip you should have. then flash the gapps.
[Desire General] rolfd:
OK I think the most fair thing to do here is to delete all the flaming, and just leave the guide.

The OP took the time to post his guide which may be helpful to some people. I realise there is already a similar guide to this, and that asking for donations in the post was probably not the best thing to do. This has been rectified by the OP.

I'll move it to General and hopefully this will be the end of this. I'll leave a 1 day redirect in the Develpment forum so those involved can see the action taken.

If you have any issues with this then please PM me and let me know.

Thanks.
[Epic 4G Android Development] williamsca7:
If you get a custom kernel and don't like it is there a way to revert back to the standard kernel without like restoring an entire clockwork image?
[Epic 4G Android Development] Firon:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=797090

Use the kernel updater from here at the bottom of the post.
[Droid 2 General] DBISGOD:
I loaded the 2.45 r2-droid 2 and after a couple of days handsent and mms started showing the wrong times for recieved messages, is there any way to fix this other than wiping and starting over?

Also is there any way to sync facebook without blur yet? I really want to use a super clean rom, but I need my contacts synced.
[Droid 2 General] newk8600:
Not sure about the mms or the facebook sync but you can sync all your contacts with gmail and it will work with any rom. Hope that's what you meant.

From newk8600's Droid2
[Droid 2 General] Lithoss:
Have you changed time zones recently? I know with my old phone if i changed time zones text messages and MMS showed wrong times. Just a thought... don't know if it will help you out.
[Droid 2 General] HerroMoto:
Which messanger app are you using? I use the Handcent app and the time on it is always wrong. When I touch the delivery report it shows the person I sent the message to, then some random person's name in my contacts and then the totally incorrect time that it sent.
[Droid 2 General] droid2andyou:
this might have something to do with the newer roms...

since i can't post links search on google "droid life droid X MMS bug" and the first link should be the article im referring too

we droid 2 users are on 2.20.0, the droid x is on 2.35.0 and r2d2 is 2.40 or 2.45

they have all the same hardware for the most part so maybe its just a bug introduced in 2.35 for the TI OMAP hardware droids and hasn't been fixed yet
[Droid 2 General] squidlymandingo:
rename conversations.apk to conversations.apk.bak problem solved
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Oliver Face:
Hey, I am using the Vibrant on AT&T and obviously I won't receive an update OTA. I have it unlocked, and rooted, and the only tweaks I've used are the lockscreen additions, and the gps fix from j12(?) I believe. I've never used ODIN, and I'm not sure I really want to. Using recovery and flashing a zip is my preferred method of choice. Now, my question is, can I download the update from Samsungs support site? Is there a .zip I can flash for the update? Will updating it knock out the root, and the lockscreens I have installed? Is it worth it to update? I would really like to get this GPS working, even with the j12 update, it doesn't lock in hardly at all. Thanks in advance, sorry if this is beating a dead horse, there are a ton of threads, but nothing really specific about a stock update flashable zip
[Droid Incredible General] falcon26:
I got the Incredible and have been using it for about a week. I saw the samsung fascinate in the verizon store and the screen and colors pictures and videos all seemed more vibrant and clearer than on the incredible. Now I'm wondering if I should exchange my htc for the samsung. I took a picture with the samsung's 5 Meg pixel camera and it seemed to look better than the same picture on took on my 8 meg pixel htc. Could that even be possible? Even the video I shot looked better on the samsung.
[Droid Incredible General] luvit:
You may want to switch. You sound pretty fascinated with it.

You can get the fascinate and there may be a chance you can switch back within another 30 days. Check the return policy.
[Droid Incredible General] khanam:
Keep in mind that it comes with bing... Instead of google. There is a reason google has the market share of search... They are better than any microsoft search product. And it is virtually impossible to remove bing and get google instead... That's a massive negative in my opinion...
[Droid Incredible General] falcon26:
Oh crap I didn't know that. I hate bing....
[Droid Incredible General] mikeacela:
I love my Inc. When I saw the Fascinate, I really wanted it but it had a few problems that I didn't like.

1) It comes with Bing which to me is total crap.

2) The way that samsung themed the phone seems to stray to far from true android.

3) The sleep/wake button is on the side.

4) No trackball/ pad

Because of these reasons I prefer my incredible. When you compared the cameras with pics and video, The screen on the fascinate is super amoled which just made the colors seem brighter. Since the Inc only has an amoled screen, the colors may seem slightly darker.
[Droid Incredible General] Div033:
I was considering making the switch too, but in the end I decided against it for a few main reasons.

1. Too many quirks/bugs. The gps doesn't work on many units so I wasn't really into playing the gambling game, hoping id get a fully functional device. As for the quirks there's an entire thread dedicated to them on the fascinate general on here.

2. Samsung's future support. Seeing how there's already a new Galaxy S phone coming out for verizon soon it makes me wonder how invested in the Fascinate Sammy will be. I've heard samsung doesn't really have the best track record when it comes to software upgrades.

3. Bing. There are some roms up that have the majority of bing removed, but not completely. I think things will clear up once froyo is released, but who knows when that will be.

Despite hardware obsolescence and battery woes, the incredible is the best, most solid phone on verizon right now for the hacking conscious consumer. The Droid X/2 is second best with decent hardware and blur removal roms, but you'll never see a custom kernel for the device and thus no AOSP roms. The fascinate has so many bugs right now and a flaky GPS (potentially). In time many of the issues may be fixed, but that all depends on Samsung unfortunately.

Sent from my Droid Incredible using the XDA app.
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Hmmm...I purchased this app a little while ago and switched back to my default camera...today I decided to go back to Vignette and do some photo tests against the default camera.

Both apps are on the same settings, or as close as I could make them. Clearly to my surprise the Vignette app actually takes sharper pics than the X10 camera.

Attached is a photo sample to show the difference...im my eyes its actually a pretty big difference.
[XPERIA X10 General] Lakata:
i went in the same way :) i was using vignette but i guess it was some stupid version .. with no available options ... and returned to stock camera ... but now i`m using one of the latest versions and OMG the difference is so big ...:) i just deleted stock camera app from my screen never gonna use it again ! :)):D:D:D
[XPERIA X10 General] bongd:
I'm usually a really cynical poster and I don't mean to be a ****, but that's been one of the most popular topics on the forum. It's definitely true though, I don't use the original camera app much.

The only thing I don't like about Vignette is that you can't adjust the contrast on the fly like in the native camera app. I don't like the interface as much either. The X10's interface is pretty good, it just lacks the ability to keep the light enabled by default, to view pictures fullscreen and without Mediascape and a few other very minor tweaks. For once SEMC actually did something correct with the minimalistic and straight forward camera interface.
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
I think you may have used the free version...which doesn't support the full resolution of your phone. But I took a few different pictures comparing, I only posted that one comparision, but yeah vignette came out better everytime alot more crisp anyways.
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Maybe 2.1 will improve the default camera app, but from what Ive read its only giving us 720p and nothing else. I actually like the interface on vignette, I also like the interface on the default camera. But when it really comes down to it, its all about what app will take the clearer more crisp picture right? and that goes to Vignette hands down. There may be a bunch of posts about this already, but really Ill admit, im way to lazy to search today...sorry ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] bongd:
I'm positive that even SEMC will update the interface to include some of the important features. It's sad that we have to pay for a third party app to do the most minimalistic tasks, and that's to just take a proper picture. Nothing advanced even!...
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
I was watching a video on youtube of the droid x camera and features....I wish SE would give us something like that. Pretty slick interface and options....really no need for 3rd party apps. However I do have PicSay Pro...so that gives me everything my heart desires lol.
[XPERIA X10 General] Lord Takyon:
I returned to the stock app because vignette is so damn slow and I could not find a way to just take a picture and have it save without having to push 50 buttons.

I won't deny the quality is far superior, but like I said its just stop slow.
[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
That's the stupidest thing you could've done. You've probably broken every application on your phone that uses the camera to add a picture to a message/fb/twitter, ect.

Also, you've lost the ability to easily take video.

Does anyone think before they delete apps?
[XPERIA X10 General] pngface:
Well I've noticed that night(or atleast low light) shots are pretty much the same with either app... they both suck :p

I use Vignette for everything else though...wish it had a better UI
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Hopefully he just meant he removed the icon from his home screen.
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
I've noticed low light shots are a week point to... that's when I break out my actual digital camera tho.... which also happens to be sony lol
[XPERIA X10 General] Lakata:
i just removed the shortcut m8 from the screen and in vignette there is a shortcut when u use it to take video and when you press the button u go to video mode to your stock camera app
[XPERIA X10 General] Lakata:
exactly what i did :) ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] synlar:
I tried using Vignette, but I found that it seemed to crop some of the picture automatically? Like, I know there's something like that in the settings, but besides that, what I see on the screen before I take the picture isn't the same as what's captured. Also, I found it really difficult with macro shots, especially with the autoflash. While focussing, the light comes on, but then the light goes off after focus, so then the camera refocuses, and when the picture is taken, the flash comes on but the camera focussed for without light, so you get over exposure or out of focus. Am I using the app wrong? I'm really finding it difficult to focus and get clear pictures, with vignette or stock app :(
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
It almost sounds like your doing something wrong. Do you have the paid version?
[XPERIA X10 General] bazzatron:
Stock App - 8mp, Macro

Vignette - 8mp, superfine
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
There pretty close, but it almost looks like the X10 default camera has the edge in that pic. Perhaps the X10 default camera is better in lower light photos? I haven't tested that yet.
[XPERIA X10 General] rafaperez3d:
Hey big brain, before call somebody stupid think a little bit. Probably he just delete it from main screen. I did the same too
[XPERIA X10 General] Lakata:
y exactly :)) i was thinking is easy to understand that i only deleted the app from my screen not uninstalling it

and about those 2 pictures with the sunglasses m8... there maybe is not difference in close up pictures coz macro is working fine but try to take pictures from distance and youll see the difference anyway i`m using steady shot for best preformance 8mpx superfine and 16:9 widescreen :) something u dont have at stock app 8pmx only 4:3 ... :) sooo there u go aaaa and another thing with vignette u can take picture with a real FLASH ... not with LED light :D:p
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
8mp on stock is 4:3 duh! Lol :)
[XPERIA X10 General] Lakata:
y y :) i have misspell it :)) it`s fine now just edited :)) ty :o
[XPERIA X10 General] pngface:
Since the light is the same... don't see how this makes any difference. Its just easier to have it turn on/off automatically. I don't think it makes the picture any better
[XPERIA X10 General] dundun1701:
I like Vignette too, but somehow the time for taking picture is so long, any solution for that?
[XPERIA X10 General] Lakata:
its the same light but when you take a picture of someone you dont blind him all the time ... and just flashes so thats what i mean its better
[XPERIA X10 General] HQXU:
did you update yours because after I updated mine it keeps the flash on from the start till the picture is taken and not as before where it turns off between the auto-focus and the shot.

did that make any sense :D