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[Epic 4G General] jbadboy2007:
You guys and this juice defender. you use more battery with this because it is always running in the background. i get 45 hours without juice defender or a task killer. 1 day of battery pleasssseee i could get 2 if it was left in standby or more. no drm removed. root, cwm, galaxy rom and kernel di18 & blue minimalism
[Epic 4G General] shinma6980:
Oh well f me... If you're getting 45 hours that must mean I can get 45 hours because, you know, our geographic locations have the exact same coverage and we have the exact same phone usage patterns. Wow I feel like such an idiot. Thank you. Thank you for showing me that juice defender, instead of increasing my battery life by a good 6-8 hours, is actually killing it by 21 hours...
[Epic 4G General] guruleenyc:
Actually I am second guessing it too. Sure it off for a few days...
[Epic 4G General] shinma6980:
That's fine - always be skeptical especially when an update comes out to improve performance. I'm about to test the new kernel without this to see if it's worth it. But I know that keeping data off on my Hero tripled the battery life and since having this phone it's definitely increased it. But you can't tell me that I'm losing 21 hours of battery life by using it - and definitely don't try to make me feel like an idiot for using it either.
[Epic 4G General] jbadboy2007:
Im sure its not killing you by 21 hours. prolly your STOCK sync settings though. i only turn it on for a minute or two 3x a day. but go with out it i bet its prolly like 8 hours. think about it when your screen is off it is running. well that is another process that is draining battery unneccessarily. My entire phone is set up like on demand it does what i want it to when i want it to not when it wants too and all of this is acheived with stock settings and checking every app for update frequency settings. I use my phone a lot so i need it to be there.
[Epic 4G General] shinma6980:
So for argument's sake, and because I wanted an actual test, I installed your setup based on you're post earlier, andromeda rom, no juice, etc. gmail and facebook sync off. I even went in 4 times throughout the day to turn off running services. I got 11 hours and that was with charging while I was in a vehicle. So I would say about 9 to 10 hours really. TWS was only at 16%. Display was the biggest battery drain at 82%.

So now that I've done this, I can say without a doubt, for me personally, juice defender is really extending my battery life. While running juice defender, I take my phone off the charger at 6am typically and when I go to bed at midnight I still have over 20%. And if I don't plug my phone in, I can wake up at 6am the next day and the phone is still on.

You have a setup that works for you, and I have a setup that works for me. In my setup, juice defender gets me through a 24 hour period without charging. Now that I've got the andromeda rom and kernel, I'm going to test battery life with juice.
[Epic 4G General] Vanquish46:
45 hours is meaningless when you just let the phone sit in standby the entire time. That's like the car commercials that list higher mpg than they get in the real world.
[Epic 4G General] sewhuy:
I have juice defender installed only for it's two toggle widgets. With defender disabled it doesn't run in background, I take advantage of the data toggle widget and I've seen it save as high as 5x's life.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] krazyog1:
ok i have da elegancia series rom and i have a couple problems if ya can help me out i would really appreciated it but ok on sms ones i have more than 100 threats and i press and hold on da msg so that i can delete it it wont i have to goin the msh and delete msg bu manual untill i have less than 100 theats then i have delete it all at one time, how can i solf this problem, and also when i make a call and am trying to press on da screen it dont respond but as soon as i hang up da phone by pressing da end button not on da screen then it works... how can i solve da problem too...thanxs guys i really appreciated it
[Legend General] smartvinu:
Hey all

I had rooted my phone and installed CM

While i was doing my rooting process. After downgrading to 1.3 i checked the system updates to check if any OTA updates are available ...

Did any one tried unrooting using the method described here

and still the OTA update is working ... ??

I just need to confirm that the above process is working .... :)
[Legend General] smartvinu:
so no one tried unrooting... ?
[Legend General] smartsreenath:
brother yesterday i unrooted my mobile to 1.31 ROM ........but update is not working.....i downloaded the ROM from shipped ROM.....i finally come into conclusion that all the Roms in shipped ROM is baned by htc......:(:(:(:(

FOLLOW ME http://smartsreenath.blogspot.com/
[Legend General] Kwen:
Not true, see http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=800588

1.31.405.5 however do in fact have no OTA update

Edit: How come your signature isn't actually in the signature section??
[Legend General] smartvinu:
Any one tried that?
[Legend General] whitetigerdk:
I have posted a link for unrooted Rom and how to use it.. look in "Legend General"
[Legend General] smartvinu:
can u give me the link .. i tried searching but nothing found .. :(
[Legend General] jinxul:
first give me your software number and your buildnumber !
[Vibrant General] rhcp011235:
Hey Guys,

what do you think about starting a petition against Samsung and TMO?

I for one paid $650 for this device thinking i could pull it out , install software and roll not even the need to root.

then, I ran into all the common issues. Lag,Gps,all kinds of things.

I was thinking we should start one. To get them scared and moving. Maybe if there is a lawyer on here? Maybe there is some legal aspect we can all sue on.

It' not right for them to release a device that doesnt perform as they say it does. and make promises on release dates. When they cant even fix 2.1.
[Vibrant General] Erickomen27:
First Off..How Did You Pay $650 For The Phone When The Phone Costs $500

Second, You Have No Lawsuit
[Vibrant General] rhcp011235:
From radio shack. The price was $650.

Since i did not have a TMO account TMO would not sell me the phone. and i had to go to radio shack and that was their price. Day 1 of sale.

I even tried to dispute this with american express. showing them the price of it from TMO / Radioshack. They said I signed it knowing the price.

I had no choice.
[Vibrant General] Erickomen27:
Honestly..That F*cking Sucks :(

You Didn't Have A Friend That Could.. Oh Wait You Used Credit Card Right?

Never Mind.

But Back On Topic, Theres No Lawsuit Simply Because Everything Works, Yeah Theres A Little Lag, Yeah The GPS Isn't The Greatest, But The GPS Still Works :\
[Vibrant General] rhcp011235:
Yes. it does suck. and i tried to even pay cash. and ask an employee to buy it for me and or ask a customer to buy for me. But, they refused.

So, i was FORCED to go to radio shack. Honestly, who knows. maybe i can go to TMO and complain. maybe get a full refund and buy it again at 400 or so used.

*SHRUG*

Im just angered that it doesnt work right for the money. $650 is not cheap. Now, I called about the G2 and they want $600 and i hear the G2 has bugs as well.

Bunch of BS.
[Vibrant General] cwoodworth:
You have GPS that works? I'm not sure my GPS has ever gotten a lock on. And I'm not flashing anything as I have a hardware locked phone.
[Vibrant General] Owenv:
I've never heard of a petition working for anything ever
[Vibrant General] jrharvey:
I actually think there is a case to be had considering the facts. No matter what anyone tells me the GPS did not work AT ALL when I bought the phone stock. Only after rooting and installing JI2 GPS files and playing around with the settings did I get a working GPS. Now after JI5 I finally have it at the point where it works like it should. Of course now TECHNICALLY my warranty is void even though I have to knowhow to put it back to stock but you get the picture. Not sure it would win in court but it would certainly make it to court and would scare them into trying to release an update.

Ok seriously though... why not just root and fix this yourself? Even if you do sue them it wont be released any earlier.
[Vibrant General] rakeshchn:
I dont want to hijack your thread, but dude we will all be happy one day when Samsung and T-Mobile roll out Froyo (yeah we dont know when, but IT WILL HAPPEN). I just watched this video on what Samsung did for Captivate with Froyo and I am really impressed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9YnSVvfHpQ
[Vibrant General] SamVib:
Right, because a couple of people on the internet makes a petition they will RUSH to release it. T-Mobile and Samsung have better lawyers than you. The only thing you'll do is waste their time.

What are you going to sue them for? Your phone turns on, you have GPS, it runs, an NOTHING is broken. GPS is software. They already said they're going to release an update soon. Be patient.

Go to JI2, better batter, and better GPS. Lagfix. Solved.

And just for the love of god, please be patient.

/rant
[Vibrant General] jrharvey:
Well technically threre could be a class action law suit. Not saying he would win anything but its possible. Remember the iphone 4 and reception issues. I agree that it is stupid right now BUT im pretty sure he could do something.
[Vibrant General] rhcp011235:
I think if there is a lawyer among us here. we could do a class action. as the last person said. Look at iphone 4 with the receoption issue.

We have the same issue on our phones. Death grip. So tech, we have two issues, never mind the lag.

And, the person who said. Rom/Lagfix/kernel. Thats un-acceptable for $650 USD. It should "JUST" work.
[Vibrant General] SamVib:
And if you read before you droped $650 on a phone, that there was issues. If you knew about said issues in your 15 day return period, then you could've have said $650 dollars back.
[Vibrant General] rhcp011235:
Very true. But i was hoping as most companies back their products the fixes would be out. And what do they do? Release a G2 with more issues?

Seriously, Now i see why they said TMO will go out of biz within the next two years.

They are morons.
[Vibrant General] dattaway:
Well, you could do the legal thing. Five, perhaps ten years later you might get your $650 back. But friends don't let friends do Radio Shack. That place died a slow cancerous death some 20 to 30 years ago.
[Vibrant General] rhcp011235:
It would have to be a class action suit as was said before. Its not worth it for one person.

And, I was forced to go to Radio shack. Which is why i think i can get a refund. ill just complain about all the issues and being forced to go to a store and pay more.

Also, the petition does not have to be about money. It can be about updates being pushed. No reason ATT should be on 2.2 and we are not! same phone. Same software. Same everything.

*shrug* I've lost my patience.

If anyone is interested I have a bricked one. For sale. PM me.
[Vibrant General] srtpro4mance:
I have no problems at all with my g2. I suppose you can't please all the people.
[Vibrant General] f1restarter:
Vibrant death grip is far more exaggerated and even in the youtube video the phone worked fine even with the death grip issue unlike the iPhone 4. And how is the G2s loose hinge T-Mobile's fault? So the iPhone 4s death grip issue is At&ts fault? Maybe YOU are the moron!
[Vibrant General] jrharvey:
I dont think the deathgrip issue is exaggerated at all. I dont hold my phone like that but if I did, I would be dropping calls like crazy. I can be on the phone with full bars and as soon as I grip the bottom (even with a case) the call drops. I also live in a metropolitan area so it shouldn't be lack of signal. Like I said, not a huge deal for me since I rarely ever hold the phone in a deathgrip way BUT I can definately see a difference when I was testing it.
[Vibrant General] mmalott:
Basically you wont get anything for trying to bring a lawsuit based on buyers remorse. Let's be honest. That's what you have. Not that I blame you. But your claims or virtually claimless in court. As far as trying to get Tmo or Samsung to act. Doubt it. You'll just waste your time and theirs.

I feel your frustration. I have a virtually dead Vibrant here b/c its hardware key locked. Im having to wait for a replacment and thats very inconveint for the cost of this phone. But you would have to prove negligence on their part and I don't see that happen. Intentional negligence against a corporate business is damn near impossible with "real" proof. Let alone what seems like gripes about a phone that you think should work a certain way.

If you brought a Z06 Corvette for $75,000, you cant be made b/c it doesnt go 205 but just 198 mph. Just the reality of it.

I suggest you do whatever you can to work with Radio Shack, Tmobile, or Samsung to get your issue resolved instead of trying to fight them.
[Vibrant General] lexluthor:
You know users get like nothing back in a class action suit? I'm sure most people have been involved in one at one time or another. You probably got that letter saying that if you accept the settlement, they'll send you a check for $10 or a coupon on a future purchase or something like that. In this case, even with a successful class action suit, you'd get a tiny percentage of the phone's value back.
[Vibrant General] ELStiko:
Forced? Really? Did you REALLY have to get a Vibrant on release day? No one forced you to go to Radio Shack. If you felt that was the ONLY way to get the phone on release date, that is your own fault. I walked into a Tmo store on release date and there were many available vibrants for sale at out of contract price of 499. My fiance who is under my account, who outside of using a tmo phone under my account has no other affiliation with them, almost picked one up out of contract for 499.

You got ripped off, but if you want justify that by blaming it on the "fact" that you were "forced" into going to Radio Shack to make your purchase, you deserve to be laughed at.

I feel bad that you got ripped off, but I am laughing at the "fact" you were forced to make your purchase.
[Vibrant General] havok800:
U Paid $650 for this device? it only retails at 500 so u got ripped if u paid that much and It isn't a Tmobile issue at all its a Samsung issue and they are providing a fix. Ya'll are in a community that has patches and fixes left and right and you are HONESTLY gonna whine and moan like Children on this issue? What is the point really if u buy a car that says it gets 40 miles to the gallon and then it only gets 35 do u sue the car dealer?
[Vibrant General] jn_vista:
Exactly what i was thinking!!! Seriously, go get an IPhone so you can pester the people on the IPhone forums.
[Vibrant General] rhcp011235:
To end the rip off remarks.

I had no TMO account. They would not sell me the phone. I tried through other customers with accounts. They refused. I tried 3 stores. So i was left with radio shack selling it to me. and their price was $650 at lauch date.

So maybe i was ripped off. But, I had no choice. I did not want a contract. and if i had gotten one id be more pissed off. and prob have more rights to complain like a crazy man to them. But thats over and done.

Im going to see what i can do today. Perhaps i can return this crap box and get it for retial or used. or a G2/N1. I have a feeling we have a long wait until we see benchmarks/scores of those two phones.
[Vibrant General] mmalott:
I think the majority of people have a problem with you phrasing it as you didnt have a choice. Not that you got ripped off. I know the feeling of really wanting something and then you feel like you got suckered into an unfair purchase.

If you return it, I dont see how your gonna get a Nexus One?? Good luck with Radio Shack, especially if you didnt get the insurance or whatever they up-sell you.

Like I said before. Your best bet is to go thru Tmobile or Samsung. If you are on flex pay, there's been post on these forums of people getting their phones swapped out thru T-Mobile.
[Vibrant General] CitrixLemon:
It is possible that t-mobile didn't have enough stock to sell on off contract to you, but the fact remains, no one forced you to buy it at Radioshack, you probably should have waited until you could get one for cheaper at a t-mobile store. You keep saying "I had no choice" "I was forced" you did have a choice and you were not forced, you made a bad choice buying from a third party who marked it up and you have to live with it. You clearly have a shaky knowledge of what a valid lawsuit requires. You cannot sue them for allowing Radioshack to sell the phone, you cannot sue them for lying about features (they are all there), you cannot sue t-mobile because samsung pushes At&t's update first as there was no promise that all Galaxy S variants would get Froyo at the same time (not to mention the Captivate is only a leaked ROM). In fact there was no guarantee that you would get Froyo at all!

Wait for Froyo and the GPS fix.
[Vibrant General] ShinyBuddha:
Everybody's entitled to one stupid idea per day right?

Moving on.....
[Vibrant General] Kubernetes:
This makes no sense. Why would they not sell you the phone? Did you want to buy the phone without a contract at all? I'm off contract and had no problem buying the phone outright.
[Vibrant General] mrxela:
Have you tried any of the custom ROMs? Do you still have issues with Bionix or Eugene's ROMs?
[Vibrant General] smutek:
When you decided to get a vibrant you made a choice.

The instant you decided to go ahead and buy the phone for $650.00 you made a choice.

When you handed the cashier your credit card you made a choice.

Sucks that you overpaid so much but, again, that was your choice.

Maybe stop telling yourself you had no choice? Could understand if we were talking about an expensive textbook that you had to have for school, or medicine you needed for your health, but you didn't have to have a vibrant and you didn't have to pay $600 for it, you just wanted it.
[Vibrant General] tjhart85:
I went to a Tmobile store and paid $500 for it off contract. I don't see how you were FORCED to buy from RS.

Why would TMO give you any money back? MSRP is Manufacturer SUGGESTED Retail Price. Just because RS can con people into buying a phone at $150 more than everyone else doesn't mean anything wrong is going on (in the legal sense). It just means they have a business model that relies on the .......uninformed.

Did you even try to do a cost/analysis on this purchase? I mean, seriously! At that price, you would have been better buying the phone on contract and cancelling and paying the ETF if it turned out later you couldn't make the monthlies or you just decided you wanted to end the contract.

Yeah, but that was a hardware issue that occurred just by holding the phone in a way that the phone is normally held. There was no trickery involved. You just held the phone and the signal dropped.

Retail on the phone is $500, just because you paid $150 more than everyone else, doesn't mean it's a $650 phone.

With that said, at the retail price of $500, having to void your warranty just to make your phone operate smoothly, is truly a problem. Since my G1 at <550MHz ran smoothly, it's not an unfair assumption to make that a phone that's twice as fast with many architecture improvements would perform significantly better.

Well, there have been plenty of leaked ROMs, which shows that Samsung IS working on this issue & from what I can tell based on JI5 is doing a pretty damn good job of fixing all the problems.

I don't see how HTCs memory issue and loose hinges has anything to do with Samsungs phone or tmobiles service.

Using that logic, since AT&T has a LEAKED build that has froyo, then your phone should be working perfectly because you have a LEAKED build that solves all the problems you're talking about.

I don't know man, I know someone who walked into the TMO store and bought the phone. They asked him for his TMO information & he said he wasn't a customer .... he asked them if they want the comission on his phone or should he just buy it from Amazon. They sold it to him without any fuss. They had to take all his information and put it in the system, but he said it went smoothly.

If you don't like the phone, flash it back to stock & sell it to someone. Hell, put it in the market and try and make a trade for a G2, you might get lucky. The fact that the Vibrant has 14GB+ available space and the G2 has what, 1.5GB might be enough for someone to do an even trade with you. Maybe throw in an 8GB card instead of the 2GB it came with & you might sweeten the deal that much more.
[Vibrant General] rhcp011235:
Shrug. I'll see.

The fact still remains this phone has the death grip just like iphone 4. Wherther you hold it like that or not. Doesnt change the fact that is has it. I noticed it day one i bought the phone. and i laughed.

I dono about your friend. I tried 3-4 stores on lauch date. They said we cant sell you the phone for list price you need an account. Spoke to managers and everything.

I can always call amex and tell them the story. They will most likely refund me and have me send it back to radio shack. Then i can grab a new one from tmo or a diff phone.

As for the waiting part. Its been 3 months and there hasnt been one update. I personally hate iphones. But, how many updates since iphone 4 was released?

At least you see they stand behind their product unike samsung and TMO. The leaks (semi) fix my unlock routine. But, i have a way around already since first leak. But, hey. If they cant make 2.1 working perfect. we may see 2.2 next year!

Which then again brings us to. Why did they release a broken phone. maybe its useable. But, I dont see why I should have to void my warrenty and do all kinds of hacks to make it behave the way it should out of the box.

Thats my only claim. and I am not saying sue them for over priced.

Im talking about class action about the death grip + GPS + no updates + no communcation (its still a 500) phone. These things should not be there. and it SHOULD work.
[Vibrant General] f1restarter:
Can you show us a video demonstrating your death grip issue while holding the phone normally as if on a call, since you said no matter how you hold it. Thanks
[Vibrant General] Wade-0:
I don't know which is more pathetic: that you paid $150 over retail, or that you think a petition would make a difference.
[Vibrant General] funeralthirst:
lololololol.

great thread.
[Vibrant General] Erickomen27:
Look.

Can We Stop Bagging On The Dude? Yes He Paid $150 MORE Than Everyone Else, But If He Really Wanted The Phone Than Good For Him.

He Brought Up Valid Points About Our Phone Isn't Being Used To The Full Extent

By You Talking **** To Him, Your Not Letting This Get Anywhere Stop Talking **** And Either Help The Thread, Or Let It Die
[Vibrant General] rhcp011235:
Thanks for that., people don't understand principle. Its not about money.
[Vibrant General] Erickomen27:
Yeah Whatever Though, You Got What You Wanted And Thats All That Mattered :)