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[Galaxy S I9000 General] BigWorldJust:
That last video sold me. Definitely getting this.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] vatk:
Ofcourse this isn't froyo. It is launcher pro, a great application btw.

Guys, i had milestone, then desire for two months, now a galaxy s.

There is no comparison. Galaxys s wind hands down.

Bigger and better screen, better cpu (in fact there are some occasional little hanging and most seriously a lag when opening apps, but the general feel concerns a faster device in general), better gpu, 2GB space for installing apps (that's why froyo isn't a must upgrade as for now), better battery life (i estimate a 20% better) and much more.

On the desire's plus side is the htc sense and general smoothness, but noooo, galaxy s is far more superior technological beast.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] mrfil13:
Does the Galaxy have a scratch resistant screen?

Was looking at both the Desire and Galaxy, the desire is nice to hold but i wasnt too keen on responsiveness of the screen, is this a case of the carrier putting to much crap in and slowing it down?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] n646464:
Its the best so far....

As far as i have read on the other forums, sense UI has its on optimization thats makes it smoother than the reset. Thats properly why it looks smother than touchwiz.

I have made alot of research on the SGS before deciding to buy one. I have owned allot of HTC devices and never had a problem with any, but since I am buyin a Samsung for the first time i have to be careful.

As far as i can tell and through a benchmark tests preformed between the SGS and the Desire they are close in speed and processing power, the Major difference is that the SGS graphics which yields an amazing 90 millions triangles per second compared to the Desire 22 Million (Xbox 360 @ 500 Million) so you get a general feeling of how powerful this device really is.

Check out:

http://asia.cnet.com/reviews/mobilephones/0,39050603,62200389,00.htm

http://www.gadgetvenue.com/samsung-galaxy-hummingbird-chip-give-3x-polygon-performance-03263638/

I have also did allot of research on Samsung as a company and i would gladly say that they are (if not) the biggest Mobile Manufacturers in the World and even produce the processors for the Iphone 4 ( http://www.tech-exclusive.com/2010/06/09/samsung-wave-features-iphone-4s-a4-processor/):p

Checking other forums outside provided me with a sense of relief that there is real development taking place on Samsung phones (e.g. Spica) and since xda added this section for the SGS i am now more at ease. there is no delay in rooting the SGS it was done on the first days of its Launch (http://forum.samdroid.net/f49/dev-k...ta9-22-06-2010-a-1319/index5.html#post18947):)

I think the point here is that if we can bring our selves as a proud HTC users to buy a Samsung device. I know i Will hopefully you will also

P.S. I love the Screen
[Galaxy S I9000 General] zenkinz:
the difference is really hardware (galaxy) vs software (desire). You can overcome to some extend on the lack of software (in case of galaxy, where you can find replacement shell, widgets, etc) but not on the lack of hardware. Of course, the software solution is not perfect and nowhere near HTC sense, but at least you get a compromise on the software with capability of the hardware in Galaxy.

My video comparison of desire vs galaxy, is posted on the youtube. btw, I owned the desire for a week plus before changing to galaxy. my wife is still holding to the desire, so in case you want to do any comparison, I can see what I can do.

PS: one of the thing you can prove literally Galaxy is faster than Desire, is by opening up the application list in the setting. On Desire, it takes easily 1/2 minute to show the list of installed apps, whereas on Galaxy its instantaneous. There are lag in the Galaxy, out of the box, but recently after flashing the latest Europe firmware, it's much more snappy.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] neoraiden:
features better, reliability not

I have both and the desire is far more reliable. I've had far less problems with it than the galaxy s. The galaxy s is far more powerful in terms of gaming it's 4 times faster in the heaviest benchmarks and twice as fast in games. Galaxy s can comfortably record and playback 720p video, screen is bigger and better etc.

HOWEVER that all has meant nothing to me as the damn thing can get extremely hot (up to 53 degrees celsius), has much shorter battery life (pathetic I need to charge at least twice a day with less usage than desire) and all the bugs reported which can get really annoying.

My best advice is to get it somewhere where you can return within a week if you don't like it.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] neoraiden:
which is the latest European firmware? I'm on JF3, 2.1- update 1
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Loconinja:
Some have mentioned they own a Dell Streak and a Galaxy S. How does the Streak compare with the SGS?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] leoon:
Could u post a link?

If thats true then I dont see why we want that much froyo?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] mark99uk:
Want to upgrade from HTC Desire to Galaxy S but ...

This whole lag issue is really putting me off, but I want this phone badly

Those who have come from a Desire, what are your thoughts ? is it worth the upgrade? Are the lag issues really that bad ? We shouldn't have to root and hack the phone to store data on NAND just to get speeds comparable to the Desire, it should be faster out of the box

What are your thoughts ?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Javalu:
I second this. I'm in the same position.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] mickeko:
What's your point? The issue has already been resolved, we're just waiting for Samsung to release the firmware.

According to some rumors it's being held because there are conflicting thoughts on if we're going to be allowed to disable TouchWiz. Seems like a stupid reason to not release the update though, just release it the same way things are now and get the conflict on TouchWiz resolved until the next firmware is due (I would assume that will be Froyo).
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ascottuk:
I kind of agree and kind of dont agree, and please im no HTC fan boy, believe me, i had enough after the screen failure on my old desire.

i agree in the sense that the SGS can yes easily outperform in reference to gaming, i dont think anyone would argue that fact

As for the Quake 2 argument, its a port is it not? its not actually specifically built for android from the ground up, if im wrong then ignore this. What im trying to say that any games made for android, take it Need for speed by EA, or any of the gameville titles will run just aswel on a desire as they do on a SGS, until developers start making use of the GPU you wont notice a whole lot of difference

I dont think HTC is holding android back, i think HTC have brought android to the masses, to be fair if it wasnt for them and the numerous handsets Android would not be where it is today

The snapdragon as a CPU is very very capable for a Mobile phone, it may not be as good as hummingbird although i have no proof to say it is not, but its equal if not better than 80% of CPU's used in other mid/high end phones on the market, im sure if snapdragon didnt have Adreno integrated and had dedicated GPU along the same lines as the SGS then it would provide very similar results

i love my SGS, it has the potential to be the best handset i have ever owned, from my old desire, to my iphone, to my n900 or HD2, if only samsung can rectify their piss poor Firmwares

When that happens i will be one happy bunny :D
[Galaxy S I9000 General] daft.71:
The lag is gone? That's news to me.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Oletros:
Bull****, please don't insult us.

I have a Nexus One and a SGS and day to day use Nexus wins over SGS on every application I use.

Perhaps the only situation where SGS wins is playing 720p movies, but that's all.

When importing speedcams to Radardroid takes 10 min with the Nexus and 100 min with the SGS and when I try to do a search with google widget and I have to wait 10 sec before I can see the letter I have wrote this tell me that software optimizations on SGS is ****ty at least.

And don't tell me anything like OCLF or Voodoo, SGS must work as intended without any hack.

And not counting ****ty GPS also
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Oletros:
False, JPK is as laggy as 2.1 firmwares
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Bec07:
That's odd, a number of users including me haven't used the lag fix for a while now.

As for nexus one, I can't really comment as that is the official developer phone, Android vanilla is built with it in mind. (But video recording is still crawling afaik)

As for the lag fixes, the file system is a poor choice on samsung's part, but don't tell me that if I change the partition on my PC from FAT to NTFS I suddenly become a great hacker.

But yeah, indeed samsung should invest more developers in their firmwares and get the JIT "up to speed".

However the CPU is not the issue here, the GPU is. If we really want to see games made with the UNREAL engine (as demoed on iPhone 4) the whole bunch of HTC, sony etc must go. They're simply obsolete.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Oletros:
Lag fixes are like converting from FAT to NTFS? I don't think so.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Bec07:
They create another partition with another filesystem (ext usually) for key OS folders like data and system.

Probably with the new source code out somebody will convert the main partition to ext2 for good.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Darkimmortal:
Agreed to some extent - OCLF is so simple that anyone can use it, to the extent that it doesn't feel like a hack, rather more like the mobile equivalent of installing defrag software on Windows.

Then how is the iPhone 3GS not holding back the iPhone 4?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Bec07:
Proportion. Android is flooded with underperforming Snapdonkeys that pose as high end.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ascottuk:
And? How long has the nexus one and desire been out? Are you telling me that when they where released they where not the most powerful android devices out there?

Its seems your almost mad that we have a new android handset that is more powerful yet in everyday use is not as responsive so you have a pop at a handset thats been around a hell of alot longer.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Oletros:
I think is hate, using words like snapdoneky, etc is a real symptom
[Galaxy S I9000 General] chichoko:
No no trust me i dont feel insulted in any way by reading the comments about the Desire.. hell! If i was i wouldnt be reading the dev forum for the Galaxy S in the first place ;)

When i got the desire, i was so tempted to trade it just because the SGS had a better gpu and perfect multitouch.. but when i played almost all the 3d intensive games in the andro market.. i realised that there is no real difference at least from my point of view, wether i had a dedicated gpu on my phone or not.. the games were silky smooth already with the snapdonkey as you prefer calling it :P

If only Samsung was as good as HTC on the software side, maybe HTC wouldnt even exist anymore.. maybe those two phones are made for different audiences? Since they both excel in their respective areas..

But there is really no point when the "vs" threads are made since really none device can "win"..

I just really hope that we dont come to the day where in order to play a latest game from EA on my mobile.. ill have to buy a new graphics card for it or upgrade the whole phone xD im already sick of the massive development for the PC market.. i really dont wanna do that on my mobile..and probably this wont even be the case..but im just saying..
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Bec07:
And again, quit the responsive argument, ti doesn't hold, especially now with froyo officially out for SGS.

The word is rather "annoyed" as I find it ridiculous that a 2010 phone (desire) is graphic-wise inferior to a 2007 phone (n82) that ran even quake 3 with most settings on max on a 640x480 resolution.

Also the quake engines are open sourced and the ports are all native. If you guys still want to believe that HTC doesn't screw people over with mediocre devices that are not high end, so be it.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] slowatsch:
For me as Desire User, this thread is quite funny.

There is Bec with his huge hate against the Desire.

Seriously dude, noone questions the hardware qualities of the SGS, it has extremley great specs. But it says quite a bit that there is a thread for comparisation. I mean specs wise the phone is so much ahead there shouldn't be a thread about it. BUT Samsung is so full of software fail that this thread exists and I can write in it.

I bought my Desire with 2.1, after like 5min I got the 2.2 Upgrade over the air. I've never botherd about jm3?, jfxx?, jpk?, jpm?, jph?, jp8?, what ever? I have no clue about the file-system used on it, or any fixes for desire... I've never participaded in a "Desire lags" discussion and never really read about it. I have no clue about KIES or Odin, no clue about flashing my phone. I've never read about special beta fw-versions outside the rom section. Didin't found an app lagging on my desire on the market.

I feel clueless and bored about my desire because it just runs... for months... I feel discriminated because there is no 20+ page long discussion about froyo release date for the desire.

But still I'm verry happy to be a "Snapdonkey" :D
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Bec07:
Point made, let's hope desire HD will bring the HTC hardware where it's supposed to be and samsung will replace the monkeys with real developers and bring firmwares bug-free and on time.

But how have you desire guys landed in the SGS forum anyway?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ascottuk:
to be fair, it would be a step in the right direction if the new firmware was developed by people, and not just some hamster with three legs

anyway, im gonna go back to playing FF7 for abit, at least my SGS does that well!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] DSF:
Oletros you exaggerate A LOT.

Display, GPU, sound chip, touch layer, internal memory for apps, and other stuffs I cannot remember.

Strangly, here is instant. Even before applying voodoo lag fix cannot remeber I had problem with that. And using quite a old fw (JF5)..

Although I have to admit there are moments when I have to wait a few moments (1-2 sec) for opening the Settings app that should open nearly instant. Also, SGS work like sh*t if you have smth under 50MB free RAM.

.. But I don't regret the switch from HTC to Samsung. My last HTC phones (HTC Touch Pro & HTC Hero) were some expensive piece of crap (mainly due poor cpu, gpu and other cheap hardware pieces). Plus the stupid htc costumer care..

I cannot trust anymore products with crapcomm CPUs..

crapcomm snapsh*t cannot even handle quake 2 port, a game that works really good even on an old Nokia N95.

Oh, maybe you dind't know that Samsung is a top company in semiconductors and display industry. Nokia, HTC, Apple, etc are using components made by Samsung (display, ram, camera, etc)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Oletros:
No, I didn't know, I'm a poor ignorant

/Sarcasm off
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Bec07:
Oh well DSF, just leave the fanboy be.

Just hope he finally leaves as his HTC pride should be reassured now that he read that SGS had a lag issue.

He'll probably get an iphone next time because it's silky smooth and has no major issues whatsoever.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Oletros:
Are you so blind by hate that you don't even read?

I have a Galaxy S and I have triead any possible firmware so, I don't have read anything about lag, I have suffered it.

Fanboy? Do you call anyone fanboy? Plas, plas, plas.

[highlight]Mod Edit: Watch your language.[/highlight]
[Galaxy S I9000 General] hexxor93:
Take a chill pill guys its only a topic about the two bloody phones... Which both have their good and bad points. I still like my SGS though :P
[Galaxy S I9000 General] egzthunder1:
I was going to clean this thread but it is 5 pages of bickering and arguing, and it is quickly turning into a flame fest.

Thread closed.

@Oletros,

Watch your language. There are a lot of Spanish speakers in this forum and the use of foul language is not permitted in any language.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] happytomato:
Better than HTC Desire?

I am considering selling my HTC Desire and buying a Galaxy S. Would you guys say that the Galaxy S is a better phone? Does the Galaxy S have any hidden nasties (like the terrible touchscreen on the HTC Desire)?

Thanks
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ardll:
Yes the gps in the galaxy does not work.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] happytomato:
At all? What is the problem with it? Will it be fixed?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] elena11:
It works, but is buggy and slow to lock.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] happytomato:
Would you say the Desire is better, then?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] emmarbee:
^Ya, It'll be fixed eventually (and it is already fixed in some firmwares).

Definitely SGS is better than Desire, but if you feel that the mind blowing quality of 720p HD video recording, 4" Mouth Watery Super-AMOLED display, Dedicated Graphics chipset (PowerVr, I guess) are of no use, then Desire is better than SGS. Just because it has a stock no-lag UI (whereas in SGS u have to apply a Voodoo Fix) and a flash
[Galaxy S I9000 General] happytomato:
How does it feel in one's hand? Cheap? Sturdy? Also, does it have real flash or flash lite?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Maddmatt:
Feels good in the hand. Might be a bit too big if you have tiny hands.

The GPS works ok in recent firmwares. Overall I'd say it's an awesome phone.

Does have a slight lag in the official firmwares but there's some fixes for that if you're brave enough to root or install a custom kernel, then the phone is blazing fast.

Unlike the Desire it has no trouble making it through the day on a single charge with some heavy use. Battery life is very good as far as high end smartphones go, especially when you consider the big screen.

For the touchscreen, this speaks for itself:

Samsung Galaxy S 5-Point multitouch support
[Galaxy S I9000 General] happytomato:
Okay! I've heard enough. I've just listed my Desire on eBay. Yes, I intend to root the phone and install a custom kernel (I love phone hacking).
[Galaxy S I9000 General] omaga:
gps dont work? Mine works ok, get realy quick fix and i can't complain about my device gps. I have have so many devices with builtin gps and i have seen much worse..believe me. About the video of galaxy touch screen, it doesent told me nothing realy is there a test with all the latest screens so we can compare the different screens.

An another thing im impressed with galaxy is the battery,even if i use push for email best performance i have had in any smartphone
[Galaxy S I9000 General] GadgetCheck:
Lol think before you talk..

Even though the gps is a buggy it dosent mean it dosent work at all....

Its just basically a firmware update and is on its way with the froyo update...

And ffor your information a GPS will never or rarely get a lock if you are indoors... So lol just go outside and a clear sky and just u will see a GPS Lock frm ths SGS's GPS :-))

buy the SGS its a way better and superior device in the market.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] GadgetCheck:
Lol think before you talk..

Even though the gps is a bit buggy it dosent mean it dosent work at all....

Its just basically a firmware update and is on its way with the froyo update...

And for your information a GPS will never or rarely get a lock if you are indoors... So lol just go outside and a clear sky and just u will see a GPS Lock frm ths SGS's GPS :-))

buy the SGS its a way better and superior device in the market.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] pele78:
Made me wonder why I choose a big phone like that....probably cause I have a big........

Lol

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[Galaxy S I9000 General] allotrios:
hmmm I think I would prefer the HTC

Mainly because it has no lag issues without needing 3rd party fixes.

The galaxy S (which I have now) has a better screen and that's about it.

The HTC also has flash, notification led, SENSE, and more HW buttons which improve the interface with the phone.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] t1mman:
I assume the Lag issue is relative to useage or the apps installed or the firmware itself, because I'm running JH2 without any lag fix and I don't get theses lag issue

As for GPS, I've done many test because I use the have issue for the accuracy, where the position would be inconsistent (pretty anoying when you're using it to track jogging) but I consider this issue fixed after using "trackerBooster" apps.

And, well, for Froyo, it'll get out when it's ready! For thoses who can't wait, well there's the beta (beta meaning not final, ie unstable release)

So, if it was to do again, I'd buy the same thing!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] allotrios:
t1mman just out of curiosity can you please do a test for me on your phone and let me know how it goes?

long press on an empty spot on your desktop until you get the menu with the options of things to add to the home screen. Then select "Shortcuts", then "Applications". How long till you get the list of apps?

Many thanks!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ickyboo:
I would say get desire hd or g2. Sure sgs is great but you have to put time and effort in tinkering with the damned thing. Gps works but don't expect too much. Lag is awful on this thing as it has **** filesystem due to it being only phone on market with built in internal ram (excluding the mandated 2-4 gigs). Once you install a lag fix watch your phone die in just below twice usual time. Yes the thing flies but there's a price and that's heat and battery drain so buy yourself a 3000mah battery otherwise expect 8hrs of usage or 3hrs if using 3g. I would swap this thing if I wasn't on contract but since I can't I have to make due with extra fat brick of a 3000mah battery. btw the desire hd and g2 have second gen chips which make them faster then hummingbird so the benchmarks say even at lower clock speeds

Sent from my GT-I9000
[Galaxy S I9000 General] t1mman:
under 10 seconds first time, now under 1 second
[Galaxy S I9000 General] isaacbrekke:
I had a desire and sold it to get to galaxy s and I'm very happy with it. Both great phones though.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] dezshiz:
I'd wait to see what samsung announce at their event..
[Galaxy S I9000 General] baste07:
definitely SGS is better. i had the same dilema before
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ozy944:
Have owned both, SGS ftw!

Although there is lag, touchwiz = barfwiz, and no led flash (which I use as a torch) + google sky map and stuff doesnt work properly dude to busted gps and compass

* Remember android is also optimised for snapdragon so performs better on those phones in terms of app opening speed, browser speedetc

* also mechnical buttons on desire ftw ... some sgs phones have self-pressing capacitive buttons

BUT

desire has that ridiculous multi touch bug....so annoying!

desire is thicker and the back cover starts to flex if you open it as many times as me (rom flash junkie)

speakers and screen better on sgs

desire has screen burn in issues

graphics capabilites are limited on desire but fine for daily use

just my $0.02

personally, droid x, shrunken a little bit with a SAMOLED and AOSP would be ideal...mech. buttons, good design, good screen, good touch sensor, good chip+graphics,
[Galaxy S I9000 General] DamianGto:
Sgs is the best phone on the market.

There are some minor flaw in Sgs, but all can be fixed.

There are people that whining about Sgs, but they should never bought a Sgs in the first place.

Lag is not problem. It easy to fix if you got one.

I tested the shortcut stuff you asked about. I got the apps up in less then 1 second.

Also the gps is working without any problem.

Sent from GT-I9000 jpm My own kernel for z4mod and with 341MB Ram