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[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Chainfire:
Here we go again.

The Quadrant scores with the lagfixes are largely irrelevant as it does not in all cases test real world performance. To dumb it down, due to the way some lagfixes are implemented it's not actually real disk reads and writes being tested. Doesn't mean real world performance isn't improved by the lagfixes, because it is. The number in the test just doesn't mean anything. The benchmark has some use when comparing different lagfixes to eachother on the same device, but only to say which one is generally faster, not how much faster it is. Then again, when comparing OCLF to Voodoo it is again not comparable.

As for Linpack, the difference in score is due to the "FPU" (SIMD/NEON/VFP) instructions. Snapdragon (Qualcomm) has a better FPU than Hummingbird (Samsung) does. However, (again) it doesn't make that big a real world difference. Before the Snapdragon and Hummingbird devices, FPU instructions were either slow, really really slow, or emulated in software as the hardware for it was simply non-existent in the chips used. The expected performance of tests that use these instructions by Linpack is likely a whole lot lower then is now being reported by Snapdragon, with Dalvik JIT optimizations for this FPU. The part of the total score that can be attributed to the FPU is therefore blown completely out of proportion, as it completely overshadows the performance of the tests that primarily use the CPU.

Of course, yes, Snapdragon's FPU is a whole lot faster than Hummingbird's. The implied real world performance difference by Linpack is however complete nonsense.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ckkee:
To Chainfire, thanks for the detailed explanation on the two tests, and why the Hummingbird and Qualcomm cpus differs in scores.

From anecdotal comments in reviews (see AnandTech review on SGS devices, which I feel is more objective than most reviewers), SGS is generally regarded as the smoothest Android device amongst the current crop of 1st Ghz smart phones. This is largely based on Android UI operations and 2D/3D games performance.

Hence, I was surprised that SGS Linpack scores are so much lower than Qualcomm devices. Your insightful posting has helped to clear that up.

On the topic of SGS performance, lag fixes seem to help tremendously. Is there a compendium introducing the various lag fixes and which may be most suitable for I9000 international devices?

From reading disparate threads, it appears that OCLF came first (using Ext2 file system) followed by Voodoo (Ext 4). From the view of maintaining compatibility with upcoming Froyo and possible future fixes from Samsung (i.e. Compatibility with Kies is a must), which is the better choice?

Note, I am using stock ROM (Eclaire JG4) with ADW.Launcher. and my SGS does not support 3 button recovery mode.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DCKing:
I'm sorry to bump this old thread again, but I felt like it was a better choice than opening a new one.

It makes sense there's a difference between Snapdragons and other cores that are more closely related to the Cortex A8 like the Hummingbird and the OMAPs. But I find one thing weird:

This is a screenshot of an iPad having finished a Linpack benchmark. As you can see it's getting a score of more than 62 MFLOPS. iPhone 4's with a similar Apple A4 (albeit at a lower clock speed) are scoring around 36 MFLOPS, which I confirmed on a friend's iPhone 4 as well as internet sources. Now: the Apple A4 and Hummingbird are supposedly very related, and the biggest difference as I understand is actually the GPU, not the CPU core. So these large differences between an iPad and a Froyo Galaxy S should simply not be there.

To me, this can mean three things:

The Linpacks for iOS and Android are completely incomparable

Samsung and Texas Instruments CPUs can't take as much advantage of the JIT in Android as Snapdragons can

There is a large difference in MFLOPS performance between Snapdragons and Cortex A8's - Snapdragons would get a much higher score even when running iOS

To get a definitive answer about the Galaxy S's comparative MFLOPS performance, I think the best idea is to run a native (not using Android) benchmark on both a Hummingbird and Snapdragon (and maybe an OMAP). Could Ubuntu on a Nexus One and Galaxy S give us a definitive answer? Can anyone test?

This should be helpful for Motorola owners as well.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Chainfire:
You can't compare them unless you do a native benchmark on Android.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LeeBear:
You can't really compare the iphone/ipad to android even though the hardware is similar. Android uses a VM so your score is highly dependent on the efficiency of the JIT. This is why you get a much higher linpack score when using 2.2 then 2.1. On a SGS you get around 7-8 MFLOPS with 2.1, and nearly double that 14 MFLOPS if you use 2.2 due to optimization of the JIT. While that's an impressive gain, 2.2 brought more optimization to the snapdragon line of CPU's. Mainly because they have 128 bit SIMD (compared to 64 bit on hummingbird) you get around a 4x increase in performance to around 40 MFLOPS. Someone will surely correct me but the 4x gain on the Snapdragon compared to the 2x gain on the hummingbird is basically because the Froyo JIT is able to send two 64 bit instructions at a time to the 128 bit SIMD in the snapdragon that is why there's a larger gap in linpack scores between the Snapdragon and Hummingbird CPU's in Froyo 2.2 compared to Eclair 2.1.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] apostrophi:
Scorpion can only issue one arithmetic instruction per cycle, be they 128-bit SIMD or 32/64-bit VFP (scalar). I doubt the JIT is capable of vectorizing data on-the-fly.

I'd attribute the increase FP performance to the fact that Scorpion's FPU is fully pipelined whereas the FPU of the A8 and A9 are not.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RobStemen:
You're being excessive.

Because benchmarks mean nothing. Why does it matter? If your performance is good, why benchmark? It's just a placebo. Just go ahead and remove all of your benchmark tools. It's freeing.
[Droid Incredible General] Epicardium:
IncredibleDoes may release a new port that looks totally different, which is never a bad thing. He asked via twitter if we think he should release it. Check out this link and show your support for him to release it!

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?deskto...e.com/watch?v=YHFDhO0IC1Q&v=YHFDhO0IC1Q&gl=US
[Droid Incredible General] kep0ne:
That looks interesting...I'd try it out
[Droid Incredible General] obsidianblackhawk:
I have to clean myself after that one. i would kill to get my hands on that rom :) Hell yes he should release that one!!!
[Droid Incredible General] Ianxcom:
I dont see it

Edit: just noticed its a mobile link
[Droid Incredible General] Stoney 666:
If he don't release it, I'm gunna have to go to school and learn all this c++ and java stuff just so I can release it myself. And I don't wanna go back to school, that was the whole reason for dropping out!!
[Droid Incredible General] Ianxcom:
OMG i want it!!!

ID is on a roll. please please share the wealth.
[Droid Incredible General] Ianxcom:
And for those not on thier mobile

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHFDhO0IC1Q

This might take the place of my love for MIUI
[Droid Incredible General] sucker4pa1n:
That looks pretty sick, not gonna lie. Did seem a little laggy on the click/drag of the "page flap" or whatever you want to call it, but shute... it's amazing how many different layouts ID has ported. I really wish I knew how he does it, he makes it look so easy! :D

I think if the work has been done and it's running, at the least he could release it and maybe someone else could pick up on taking care of it. It seems as though he's got so many ports and roms it'd be easier for him to pass the buck so to speak, like he did with MIUI. :)

I do have to admit, either he's just very talented or just happens to be the most active porter on the forums for the DInc.
[Droid Incredible General] douger1957:
I'd have to learn my phone all over again...but man, that's just too cool.
[Droid Incredible General] ejkeebler:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHFDhO0IC1Q
[Droid Incredible General] csseale:
No doubt that it should be released.

"Results may vary."
[Droid Incredible General] pavigil:
I say yes. This would definitely pull me away from MIUI.
[Droid Incredible General] le0.br4zuc4:
He will after/if the rom gets stable enough
[Droid Incredible General] nat4mac:
emFATic "YES"!

:D

:D

:D
[Droid Incredible General] Masterpiece Finishes:
Oh yeah, that looks super sick! Please drop this.soon id!
[Droid Incredible General] IIDIncII:
Drop the ROM ID .
[Droid Incredible General] mothy:
Im in ID this would be great! :D
[Droid Incredible General] stoffelck:
why am i not dling and installing that?

yes drop the rom
[Droid Incredible General] jmaher1023:
I'm almost feeling like I NEED this rom to fill a void in my life...I just may wilt into nothingness without it!
[Droid Incredible General] Argent36:
Personally I'd rather he keep trying to get the camera working on his HD port ;)

but I wouldn't complain too much if this one came out either
[Droid Incredible General] almightyjoe82:
I'm sure once its close to perfect or perfect he will release it. I'm sure he should make a pretty penny with this Rom release
[Droid Incredible General] adamd1169:
I want that lock screen...
[Droid Incredible General] rmaccamr:
Yeah we're flashaholics. I'm already bored with MIUI and even if we fix the camera, I'm bored with Sense lol. New ports ftw.
[Droid Incredible General] kungfuturkey:
Typically I'm not into the whole change the total look of the phone but this is awesome!
[Droid Incredible General] animal1967:
Come on ID....love your work so let it loose!
[Droid Incredible General] gordy_2001:
RELEASE

This looks BAD Azz, please relase!

I'm bored with MIUI, and need to move on...
[Droid Incredible General] Grizzly420:
Definitely should
[Droid Incredible General] mclarryjr:
Once its released I will try it.

Please release it!!!!
[Droid Incredible General] superchilpil:
Hell ya!
[Droid Incredible General] ToyTank:
Damn that looks tight. Reminds me of the Palm Pre a bit. It would be fun to mess around with.

Are there are driver issues, or was Acer cool and open source everything?
[Droid Incredible General] bp_ballistic:
I'd take it for a test drive! :D
[Droid Incredible General] superchilpil:
As much as I would love to see this

We need to take into consideration of ID he spends all his time doing this for nothing
[Droid Incredible General] ahensler05:
sweet momma ... i gotta have that
[Droid Incredible General] Stoney 666:
****... I'll take it "as is" on the video just so I could play with it for a while and trip people out. Of course, wouldn't mind a stable, but as is would be just fine....
[Droid Incredible General] mothy:
It looks like he is going to try to port the Experia Rom to the Incredible according to twitter.
[Droid Incredible General] OSully:
I'd sure as hell use it.
[Droid Incredible General] hschreibz7:
Damn that looks sick! Count me in...
[Droid Incredible General] iowabowtech:
Love the look of it. That'd really throw a curveball into the Rom scene.
[Droid Incredible General] :
I talked to him today, and he said it was "good"...those are the only details I know of.
[Droid Incredible General] Div033:
Just when someone else takes over the MIUI duties ID pioneered for us, he's already back to his mad scientist ways. You are an invaluable dev to the droid incredible mod community ID. I am psyched to see this further in action :)

Sent from my Droid Incredible using the XDA app.
[Droid Incredible General] superchilpil:
Delete
[Droid Incredible General] dino325:
I would give my first born for a port. Unborn that is lol.
[Droid Incredible General] daftlush:
I thin we're all just waiting for the source code to drop.
[Droid Incredible General] ToyTank:
Via twitter he was trying to port old sense camera to new sense but to no avail.

Looks like maybe we will have to wait for source. At least HTC is cool like that, even if it takes forever we will have it eventually.
[Droid Incredible General] :
Maybe we cam smali the driver and try to figure something out.
[Droid Incredible General] droidyourlookingfor:
+1 on the port.
[Droid Incredible General] rmk40:
You cannot "smali" a compiled shared library. It isn't a Dalvik binary, nor is it even Java.
[Droid Incredible General] :
I'm going to try just for the hell of it
[Droid Incredible General] Matt Devo:
the depth of your willful ignorance is just staggering

:(:confused::mad::rolleyes::eek:
[Droid Incredible General] :
I know it won't work..
[Droid Incredible General] westoaklandmike:
hell yeah!
[Droid Incredible General] ZOMBII MATT:
i might actually leave CM6 for this if it gets released.

Or if someone ported motoblur/ninjablur to the incredible. that would be awesome too
[Droid Incredible General] Ianxcom:
There should have been a poll added to this thread. Polls are always fun
[Droid Incredible General] a4diziac:
I'm currently on MIUI, but I would love to give this port a test drive! Very nice! :D
[Droid Incredible General] khanam:
Looks Incredibly cool! Hopefully its stable too...
[Droid Incredible General] ColePatrol:
Looks sick!
[Droid Incredible General] ToyTank:
I am curious what hardware works on this early test port. Also what release of android is this?1.6 or 2.1?

Edit. NVM I watched video again, it is Froyo. Now I really want to test drive....
[Droid Incredible General] jmiller98:
Come on ID, give us some more love and release this port.
[Droid Incredible General] Ianxcom:
From ID via twitter

:( I dont understand is this means he will release it or not.
[Droid Incredible General] jmaher1023:
Looks like he's gonna release what he's got and let anyone who wants to support it take over.
[Droid Incredible General] Ianxcom:
Well then i hope someone takes it over. It looks so cool im sure someone will.
[Droid Incredible General] es0tericcha0s:
i emailed him about it, well see what happens
[Droid Incredible General] Ianxcom:
<----Stoked
[Droid Incredible General] ZOMBII MATT:
he responded to me on twitter today and said he was planning on releasing it this weekend

http://twitter.com/#!/IncredibleDoes/status/27372238601
[Droid Incredible General] yoyomonk:
Woo!!! Thank you IncDoes! (and thank you ZOMBII MATT)
[Droid Incredible General] xwera43:
That's what she said!

X
[Droid Incredible General] Argent36:
From ID's twitter 4 hours ago

woo woo!
[Droid Incredible General] :
That looks awesome. I would definitely load that Rom. Please release!
[Droid Incredible General] wes342:
It's been released but he said he was but going to continue working on it.

I'll give it a shot but I hope someone that knows more about building Roms starts working on it.
[Epic 4G Accessories] betatech:
Will be doing a thorough review on the Seidio Active X Case, including some tests for durability. Pictures will be included.

Providing the Basics today along with a few photos, will run the case through a series of test for durability and use this weekend. More pictures to come!

My apologies if a couple pics don't look so great Camera was giving me issues.

Intro:

Well Just received the Seidio Active X case today and I have to say I was surprised. You are provided with three pieces. Outer Screen protector, a rubber back skin, and then a Plastic Skeleton to go over the rubber back piece. Installation was breeze and this case is easier to remove due to the design of the Plastic Skeleton. Outer Screen protector is pretty simple to remove but having finger nails will benefit greatly! Another thing to note: Since the Skeleton is a separate piece, changing colors will be simple ( if you wanted to could even paint it! ). Sliding Mechanism was not affected at all.

Design:

Outer Screen protector

Outer Screen Protection Piece does have a taller lip and it is a little thicker but feels strong. With the taller lip I didn't find any affect or issues with comfort on the use of the screen or buttons. The finish is smooth with a rubbery feel, and yes you may find that one or two little bumps within the finish - (If you really want to remove the bumps in the finish then use 1500 or 2000 wet sand paper and very Lightly go over the bumps. Make sure to wet the paper - this will allow you to keep the finish). The tabs are located on both the top and bottom of the piece and sectioned in the middle ( view pictures above ). -- This is nice since the most common issue with cases is scratching or restriction due to the tabs being placed on each side.

Rubber Skin:

IMO - I love this! Provides protection for the phone without the possibility of the case scratching the phone itself. Both the Power and Volume buttons are covered but fit the form of the phone and require the same amount of pressure to be pushed. As for the cut outs - Match perfect- Mic, USB, Headphone, Camera, and LED, and if by chance yours does not you can also trim whatever excess you need to since its rubber.

Back Skeleton:

The back Skeleton has a very smooth finish with no bump in sight. The skeleton itself is very sturdy along with the clips located on each corner. Now the design was to set for most common point of Impact. On any phone there are 6 points - Top Left and Right Corner - Bottom Left and Right Corner - Left Side - Right Side. The Skeleton was designed around these 6 points of impact along with using the rubber skin interior as a shock absorber. The skeleton Case Wraps around on each point which in truth allows for a sturdier construction due to each point of impact being supported both by form and curvature.

I will provide pics of the phone within the case once the Camera is charged.

Updated
[Epic 4G Accessories] thomasskull666:
If you can assure me that this product 1. Does not look as rough around the edges as in the pictures on the website 2. Allows me full functionality of the keyboard (slides open *duh*, doesn't hinder ability to use top row number buttons) 3. Is durable and well made enough to justify spending $29.95 on a case, then I will glady purchase it. Question: Is there any way you could get pictures different angles of the case for example the top and bottom with keyboard open/closed, I am seriously interested as long as I can have some good information to go off of.
[Epic 4G Accessories] jok3sta:
I thought i was he only one that notced it was looking a little rough on the website.. i hope a company like seido wouldn't release a product looking like that..

Tapatalkin' it from my Epic 4G
[Epic 4G Accessories] betatech:
Any information any user provided I sent off to seidio for development of the active x case that way they can attempt a perfect case. I'm not sure but I think the color plate is switchable which would be a nice option.
[Epic 4G Accessories] NeonMonster:
Sadly ALL of the Active cases are like that.

On the Nexus and Evo active cases, the rubber has lots of extra bits, and the ports aren't perfectly cut.

On the Evo, the plastic shell doesn't fit perfectly around the rubber skin, and has a bit of a gap.

You can take a exacto blade and remove the uneven edges if you want.

posted from a EPIC4G.
[Epic 4G Accessories] thomasskull666:
That's disappointing to hear, how could they expect me to pay that amount for such bad quality? When we get some detailed pictures I will have a better idea of the quality, but until then all indicators point to a poor quality product.
[Epic 4G Accessories] NeonMonster:
Seidio is currently the best quality case out there for the epic but it ISN'T any OtterBox or even CaseMate.

The plastic exoshell on my friends Evo has been shedding since she purchased it. Little bits of plastic come off the shell just from having it in her pocket.

Seidio is not worth the price of the product, quality wise. But when there is literally nothing else on the market, what else can ya do? :p

posted from a EPIC4G.
[Epic 4G Accessories] thomasskull666:
That's the problem, is that there are no other options besides the Seidio case. Still waiting on those pictures though...
[Epic 4G Accessories] Envynet:
Mine has been ship out to me already just waiting on it to arrive.
[Epic 4G Accessories] bitbang3r:
Ordered one this afternoon. Hopefully, they'll show mercy and have it in the hands of USPS by tomorrow so I can have it to use on Saturday night :-)
[Epic 4G Accessories] betatech:
Thread Updated
[Epic 4G Accessories] thomasskull666:
Looks pretty good so far, I'm going to test my luck and buy one tomorrow, hopefully it turns out good!

Sent from my 1.3gHz Samsung Epic 4G with XDA App
[Epic 4G Accessories] churro7:
how easy is the back part to remove?
[Epic 4G Accessories] betatech:
Not hard at all, just grab a corner and pull away slightly and should come right off.
[Epic 4G Accessories] nimaim:
Still not sure I can justify paying $30 for a case vs. $2 I paid for my ebay one. I'm sure quality is very different, but I feel like the level of protection I get from my ebay one (which I guess we are referring to as the "bar" kind from that other review) is adequate enough. It feels good in the hands too. I'll wait to see pics of this when you have everything fully assembled. I'm wondering how thick it gets with 3 pieces.
[Epic 4G Accessories] betatech:
Updated More pics :cool:
[Epic 4G Accessories] hugo87:
How much more thickness does it add. Is it still pocketable? obviously it'll be thicker but pictures and actual hands on is always a differant story. Thanks!
[Epic 4G Accessories] SladeNoctis:
I want to know does it fits in the media dock?
[Epic 4G Accessories] betatech:
Just a tad thicker really, add maybe 1mm if that IMO. Fits in the pocket no issue at all, and the case finger groves are perfect, ambidextrous. Also the lip around the Face Protection of the case has more depth.
[Epic 4G Accessories] betatech:
Nope, sadly it does not, but then again no case does that I have heard of.
[Epic 4G Accessories] jacjyd:
I don't know if they are just too different to compare, but which case do you prefer between this sport case and the plain seidio hard case (given that the sometimes reported keyboard scratching does not happen) for everyday use?

Also is the rubber the sort of sticky kind that attracts dust and dirt easily without easy cleanup?

Thanks!
[Epic 4G Accessories] churro7:
does it scratch and hit the keyboard?
[Epic 4G Accessories] scriz:
The new pics made up my mind. I will NOT be buying one of these, because of the uneven lines on the side..looks like it was hand carved instead of made from a mold. :confused:
[Epic 4G Accessories] betatech:
The piece that has the uneven lines that you see is he rubber back protector, I had been removing the case on and off for testing a dock design so I didn't quite get the middle corner set :o
[Epic 4G Accessories] betatech:
I prefer the Active X case due to the rubber piece and top piece design. There is also plenty of space for the keyboard so I have had no issues with restriction. Also I prefer more rugged cases because of how much trouble my phone goes through doing all the traveling.
[Epic 4G Accessories] scriz:
Sounds like a good grunge band name. Anyways, If you could take a picture where the side isn't shown looking so ill-built, that would be great.
[Epic 4G Accessories] betatech:
Just tempted to straighten it out and the same effect, sry about that never really noticed it figured it was just the rubber as you need as it has a tight fit.
[Epic 4G Accessories] scriz:
Not your fault, although QA at Seidio seems to need improvement..not really sure how that could have passed with any passing score lol.

Also, this may not be a big issue with other people, but I'm very big on aesthetics, and my OCD goes wild if something doesn't look right.

Sorry! :p
[Epic 4G Accessories] deisel:
If you leave the stickers on the sides of the phone you will not get the scratches on the sides from removing case to clean phone probably to late for sum but new purchase keep it in mind the cases scratch the side u push on