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[G2 and Desire Z General] sherifone:
Epic 4G:

I'm not particularly fond of Samsung's cheap plastics on the Galaxy S phones. The Captivate is a little bit better with the aluminum battery cover, and the leaked 2.2 build which fixes the horrific aesthetic choices in their 2.1 build. Seriously the blue on black colors make the OS look like a feature phone from 2001.

Droid 2 vs G2:

I found them to be pretty similar in performance. The Droid 2 had a bit more stuttering, likely to do with some of the bloat Verizon shoved on there (City ID, Blockbuster) and the DLNA scanning. But for web pages or games, I felt they were pretty similar.

I will say this though, the Droid 2 ninja blur theme makes the OS look VERY attractive. It definitely has a leg up on "looks"

For build quality, it was a toss up.

The slider on the Droid 2 is bulletproof and inspires a certain amount of confidence. The keyboard is improved over the previous model, but still sucks.

The G2 feels way better in the hand, has a better keyboard but the Z hinge is a bit scary at times.

I think I'm going to give up on landscape qwerty phones, they just add too much thickness
[G2 and Desire Z General] tankmorph:
WOW! None of this has ANYTHING to do with an OTA update for the G2. Find someplace else to compare phones. Seriously. Moderator??
[G2 and Desire Z General] luis86dr:
What the hell does the droid have to do with this topic... don't post bs unless it involes the thread subject.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Captainkrtek:
Clean it up and keep it on track or else ill close this
[G2 and Desire Z General] theomajigga:
I'm thinking that we should get WHOEVER got the update together, with someone through IRC tinychat or SOMETHING to try and get a system dump, that way we could try to get the files that we need to try and get the wifi calling to work? How may people got the OTA? is it really just one?
[G2 and Desire Z General] luis86dr:
I know of 2 people for sure but possibly 3 so far on these forums.

Sent from my HTC Vision G2
[G2 and Desire Z General] gcantrell:
Couldn't agree anymore.
[G2 and Desire Z General] spovat:
Is it really realistic that out of the tens or hundreds of thousands of units sold that only one or two people who frequent these forums have received the update?
[G2 and Desire Z General] eburganjr:
there could be people that just aren't talking too. there's people in other places outside of xda claiming to have received the update. the fact that we have an .apk of the WiFi Calling leads me to believe that an update has been pushed out to a select number of people. Something bigger is coming.
[G2 and Desire Z General] AndroidNoober:
Engadget post this

People said that tmonews is the tmobile enemy.... I just found this on my twitter from Engadget, but system dont let me add the link, just check endgaget site...

just check it out

T-Mobile won't confirm the G2 OTA update, says it's working to deliver WiFi calling and tethering 'in the future'

By Paul Miller posted Oct 13th 2010 12:24PM

We're still not sure what's up with the few reports of G2s receiving OTA updates that add WiFi calling and native hotspot support, but T-Mobile isn't fessing up to them just yet. In a statement issued to Phone Scoop, T-Mobile said that these features "are not currently supported" on the handset, although T-Mobile thankfully added that it "knows these features are important to consumers and we're working to deliver them to G2 users in the future." It's hard to tell if that means an update is just minutes away from widespread distribution, or if we've still got weeks or months to wait for these features. Familiar story?

sourcePhone Scoop

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[G2 and Desire Z General] bled82:
Would you be able to post the update.zip or a system dump so we can get some progress , ie root or at least let everyone else get the update goodness ? If you need help with how to do this just ask , i dont know off the top of my head but i can google like its going out of style lol , and there are tons of smart techies here that would love to get there hands on the update .
[G2 and Desire Z General] luis86dr:
I have the wifi calling.apk saved on my sd... people have gotten the update. As it was stated it was a test ota update. So if all goes well with the selected / LUCKY users then we should have it soon.. very soon.

Sent from my HTC Vision G2
[G2 and Desire Z General] innerlight:
For the fortunate few that got the update its got me thinking that they're the ones who found a golden wonka ticket in a bar of chocolate... Seriously though is it possible that t-mobile could send two updates for two different phones at one time?
[G2 and Desire Z General] userfriendlyme:
I think all the work in the community is great my only question with these updates are for the few people that have it. why are the files requested not being posted as well? I no getting the update file has been a task but surely if the APK for wifi calling can be posted the other files requested to enable this to work can be posted as well.
[G2 and Desire Z General] innerlight:
The apk has been provided for download but its not working. Without the radio its probably not going to work.
[G2 and Desire Z General] reddragon72:
At this point we need the actual update.zip but since the lucky few that received it have already applied the update that file is gone. The other files, confirmed by me are useless. We need more then just that APK to get this to work and unfortunatly we don't know what else we need till the update rolls out again so we can see what all is included.

I have tried editing several files, renaming/removeing/moving and nothing is cutting it. So now it is a sit an wait game till T-Mobile hits the button again.
[G2 and Desire Z General] reddragon72:
Anyone with the update do me a little favor. run the app and see if it work? I have two addy's I pulled from one of the APK files and one is working and the other is not. That maybe the cause of the problem at this time, but I need a confirmation from one of the lucky few that it is still working.
[G2 and Desire Z General] theomajigga:
With what update? the OTA?
[G2 and Desire Z General] bsnelson:
Have any of the golden ticket holders tried the wifi tether yet? It seems obvious that the wifi calling won't work without the full update, but I'm dying (almost) to know if the tethering operates in AP (infrastructure) mode.

Brad
[G2 and Desire Z General] DebauchedSloth:
Someone could just zip up the system partition.... That, plus the files already requested, should do the trick. Extreme overkill, but basically the same as an update.zip
[G2 and Desire Z General] reddragon72:
yes the two people that received the OTA and have WIFI calling running please try it again and report in.

punc.t-mobileuncs.com it not coming up at all on my network, ping or tracert.

psgw.t-mobilesgws.com is working no problem.

If those two lucky few are still working then that means something else, and we will just have to wait.
[G2 and Desire Z General] smasraum:
2 reasons.

1, this was just a small test pre-deployment to see if there were any major problems before they sent it to everyone.

2 This is not like TV where they just broadcast it and "anyone" that "hears" the broadcast can have it. It takes a lot of bandwidth to send this to large batches of phones, and I suspect probably takes some planning and configuration.

You can think if it like the release of the iphone 4 or the ipad. When it went on sale, all of the Apple stores were flooded, and hardly anyone could get one because there was so much demand. So instead, with these updates, they send them out a few at a time all over the place to keep the network from being flooded.
[G2 and Desire Z General] smasraum:
I don't know that "just zip up the system partition" is that easy. This ain't windows, and by default, we don't have full access to all of the file system.

You'd probably have to have root. These users may not want to root their phones. We also don't know for sure that any of the existing root methods will work with the update.

Yes, it would have been great if any of the test users had been mod happy linux fiends with root, but it seems to me that it was just some regular folks with the same phone as most of the rest of us.
[G2 and Desire Z General] innerlight:
It would seen plausible that t-mobile could be doing something like a beta test of the update, but how could t-mobile check to see if those who got it are ok with it, as an earlier post mentioned. There's no doubt an update was sent as evident as the wifi caller apk that's for download. Maybe someone at t-mobile leaked it out...
[G2 and Desire Z General] grankin01:
Interesting thought but as many security checks as are in the software on both ends its highly unlikely it was leaked.

Stranger things have happened though.
[G2 and Desire Z General] krayshunist:
That's another reason why we just want the link to the update instead of single apks from it. This is stuff that needs to be tested. Besides, you can't mess up your phone with temp-root...
[G2 and Desire Z General] smasraum:
Right, and I'm sure we would have the update if it was readily available. Once the update has been applied, it's gone. THAT'S our problem.
[G2 and Desire Z General] krayshunist:
That's part of the problem. The other part is people not following directions or being unwilling to look at the log.
[G2 and Desire Z General] blktalon:
There are some on here who got the unannounced OTA and applied it before there was this thread. Possibly they had no idea of logcat. I for one don't appreciate your tone and insinuations. If I receive the OTA I will give it to everyone first before you. There is no place for comments like this.
[G2 and Desire Z General] innerlight:
That was out of order. I know you, like the rest of us who didn't get the update would like to have some better knowledge of it via logcat or best get the ota but if the couple who got it don't know one thing about logcats or how to port the update then don't start hating on them.
[G2 and Desire Z General] bsnelson:
Honestly, it could be as un-exciting (and, in fact, probably is) as "send it down to random people, and see if customer service calls from that group statistically increase over the group that didn't get it". For the few folks here that have it, there must be countless people who don't even know what "root" is or hacking at all, and just have a cool phone that rebooted the other day, and they're going on about their business.

Brad
[G2 and Desire Z General] greensnow:
does anyone who has received the update know if it fixes the random reboots? I just got my first one and im a little worried
[G2 and Desire Z General] innerlight:
Good point. Who knows the number of people who might of gotten it who either don't know about xda or even care about this app. I remember the days when cupcake was scheduled to roll out for the g1 and all the waiting that me and countless people had to endure for that ota. Some people at the time those updates rolled out didn't know what they had and went on their way without blinking twice.

Something else, for those who got the update does it improve the battery life?
[G2 and Desire Z General] funkadesi:
Wow, whether you want the system dump for root purposes or not. Everyone needs to calm down and wait till this weekend, thats when the updates will start going out in mass quantities, how many times do I have to repeat myself?

You will get an update! as long as you own the device and )no rootes)
[G2 and Desire Z General] krayshunist:
If I could possibly care any less about what you appreciate, believe me, I would. Having said that, my disappointment with people's inability to do logical things is not limited to the OTA, nor is it limited to people from this forum. It started quite a while ago with the temp root.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Smokuevo:
Amen to that.totally agree
[G2 and Desire Z General] rmcsc:
This is turning into a little kids' schoolyard fight. Mods: care to become school principals?
[G2 and Desire Z General] krayshunist:
You haven't seen a proper schoolyard fight ;-)

In any case, let me make another plea to the general public:

If you get the OTA update notification, please follow the steps in the wiki to capture a link to the update! There is no danger to your phone.
[G2 and Desire Z General] [hfm]:
The amount of bandwidth it would take to push this to all g2 owners would be dwarfed be the amount of data consumed by their smartphone user base.
[G2 and Desire Z General] [hfm]:
So if I did happen to get the test update could I get mad at tmo for guinea pigging me in a phone I rely on for daily biz if something went wrong?

Maybe they should test using retail phones around the country that their own employees are using. Its not like they don't have stores in every city in the US. I'm sure they could afford a small amount of ' test-update' devices their employees could carry in different markets. It would even be a business related expense that could be written off.
[G2 and Desire Z General] joebobjoe:
Look. Listen here. No one is going to do what you say just because you put it in big black letters. No one at T-Mobile is going to push the OTA until the T-Mobile logo is offsetting 1 mm higher on ALL G2's. So just calm down, have a bear, and relax, okay?

Plus, I feel you're a troll.
[G2 and Desire Z General] spovat:
fact is, there was never an ota released. it was fabricated by a select few, fake apk and all. this is my conspiracy theory that gives me the patience to wait ;)
[G2 and Desire Z General] joebobjoe:
I'm assuming you were using the hardware keyboard? Well, if you were, this typo proves that the T-Mobile G2's space bar is too small. Return your G2 now until you make less typos.
[G2 and Desire Z General] krayshunist:
You, sir, have a very valid point there. Why won't the damn logo offset higher?! That's it, I'm returning the G2 and going to back to my trusty Motorola DynaTAC!
[G2 and Desire Z General] [hfm]:
I find now that I have swype I don't need the hardware keyboard as much. I still need it occasionally (term). And typos are never going away. :)

To stay on topic, where's me update arrrrrrrr.. Give me mine rightful OTA or walk the plank tmo.
[G2 and Desire Z General] smasraum:
The thing is, lets say you've got 10,000 smart phone users in a city. At any one time, how many of them are pulling down data? I bet it's somewhere between 5% and 25%. When they are pulling down data, how many of them are pulling down the occasional web page, and how many are streaming audio or video? I bet 50%-75% are doing web surfing or other low bandwidth stuff. Yes, pulling a web page is low bw because it's bursty. Download a web page, read the page, download another, etc.... The real BW hogs are folks that are streaming audio from the net or spend lots of time surfing youtube. That's probably a small chunk of folks. The majority of the folks are not all using their phones simultaneously, and even those who are, are probably doing bursty stuff, webs, maps, intermittent data stuff.

BUT, if you tried to push a 1MB, or maybe a 20MB or a 50MB file to all 10,000 users at the same time, that would use A LOT of BW.

Seriously, surfing the web takes very little bw compared to filesharing, streaming audio, and streaming video. File downloads are similar sort of traffic, especially if the download is sizeable.
[G2 and Desire Z General] smasraum:
Dude, get a grip. One guy out of what, 2 or 3 that have announced having the update actually canceled his update to try to get us the link. And even then, he posted his logcat, but it was already too late. As far as I know, he hasn't been able to get it back. So he screwed himself to try to help us. The others didn't find out until too late. By the time they found out, they couldn't provide any info.

And frankly, with the attitude that you're displaying, I wouldn't want to help you out anyway. You've essentially asked strangers for help, AND insulted them. I can understand your ire, you're obviously a saint.

Based on the lack of info past that first day, it seems as if the test bed is finished, and the rest of us will have to wait. I want the update as much as the rest of us, but throwing a temper tantrum like a 6 year old isn't going to make the situation any better.

good grief.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Gr8gorilla:
My guess is that there is no update. The two guys who claim to have gotten it, are actually either Kineto or Tmobile employees who entrusted with devices that have the apk for testing. There is no OTA, they are here trolling to see what kind of interest there is in the app and trying to get some attention because they just couldn't stand not being the cool kids.
[G2 and Desire Z General] [hfm]:
Let's be realistic, if they are serving the OTA file from a CDN such as akamai, which makes more than good sense, it's a non-issue. I mean it's not like they can be willy nilly with updates because they have to pay for that bandwidth, and too many updates is bad UX. But we serve terabytes of just js libraries per day from akamai for our site, so 1meg x 10000 makes them laugh.
[G2 and Desire Z General] eburganjr:
TmoNews is reporting that T-Mobile is reducing the cap on data usage to 5GB (from 10GB). I feel like this update is getting closer and closer. And another person stated that the update is coming this weekend. That would make sense since the cap is being lowered on the 16th. WiFi Calling & Tethering? Maybe we will see this update soon?

I can't post the link, but visit TmoNews to view the post.
[G2 and Desire Z General] roman.gsr:
I also have not received an update. Yous troll'n!
[G2 and Desire Z General] krayshunist:
If it is indeed the same gentleman, I've helped him set up the log, though he was more interested in rooting the phone than in getting the OTA. Nonetheless... I give up.

What really irks me right now is that when I made this account I misspelled my name. I shall correct that tomorrow. Toodles!

P.S.: I am insulted that you think I'm six years old. I'm only five!
[G2 and Desire Z General] [hfm]:
Nice... They should add data usage to the ' My account' app so its easy to monitor. I just went and checked mine and was wondering why it was only 64M since the 7th then I remembered I am on wifi often.
[G2 and Desire Z General] luis86dr:
This could most def have something to do with a update coming sometime this weekend then. Guess we'll all find out sometime this weekend if the hype is real. Lol.

Sent from my HTC Vision G2
[G2 and Desire Z General] vinnyjr:
That is what you call a team player. I sure hope he gets his OTA update back. I know something very good is going to happen over the weekend. Coming from a Nexus One and will never get rid of it I must admit this G2 is one bad ass phone. Fast as a greased pig and just as good looking as the Nexus One. Besides a few minor problems which I'm sure will be fixed very soon, this is one hell of a phone.

Vinny
[G2 and Desire Z General] Stryf3:
Ok..this will be my last post in this thread. I started simply by asking about the update, because I thought it was big news and didn't see any discussion.

I have been away from a PC for a bit for work, and will not have access until tomorrow night. With all of the. Smack talk, from people demanding that I post files, to outright calling me a liar, I'm sorry I ever posted, and will not be pulling additional files.

You can see I've been a member here since 2007, and have mainly lurked without contributing much. That's starting to look like a smart decision.

I hope the OTA rolls out soon for all of you.
[G2 and Desire Z General] alanowiz:
through your response anyone can tell you have something to prove.... just saying
[G2 and Desire Z General] smasraum:
The important bandwidth for them is not going to be the bandwidth from a TMO pop to their storage. The bottle neck is going to be the cell portion.
[G2 and Desire Z General] spovat:
I agree...its sounding like you have something to prove and the fact that you've been a member since 2007, "mainly lurking" doesn't exactly establish a reputation to rely on
[G2 and Desire Z General] master.peterm:
Please excuse all a-holes........ t-mobile sayed they planned to send out this update... and just like froyo was leaked for the N1 this was too..
[G2 and Desire Z General] acis:
This thread is dildos.
[G2 and Desire Z General] tankmorph:
I appreciate the info you were able to give. Like you said, we will all be getting the update soon enough. This was obviously a very limited release.
[G2 and Desire Z General] joebobjoe:
Stop lying.
[G2 and Desire Z General] miguelrodas:
I used to be an EVO user but came back to T-mobile just for the G2.

And since we are talking about the G2 OTA I was obviously referring to the G2 masses.

By the way, T-Mobile announced today that starting October 16 they will be throttling data for users who exceed the 5GB limit per month. Think about it. Why will they start doing it the 16? Perhaps because they will release the update enabling wifi hotspot on the 17 and since T-Mobile is afraid that by enabling froyo's wifi hotspot feature users will abuse their data; they decided to start throttling the data on the day before the update goes live for everyone

Isn't that a big coincidence?
[G2 and Desire Z General] Azrael3123:
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. The announcement and the date when it goes in effect all seem to point to tmobile rolling out the OTA soon, albeit the 17th just like your source said. I see a lot of people crying about the reduced cap but I would gladly take the reduced cap as long as I can get hotspot without root (at least for the moment). You can't have everything and I appreciate the fact that tmobile realized how much this feature was desired and made the compromises necessary to deliver it to us.
[G2 and Desire Z General] philosophics:
I sense redundancy here though...

I understand the want to keep customers equal by reducing a pigs bw but couldn't they have tried it out first before re-capping?

%1 off all TMO data plan subscribers abuse (as in use it to full advantage) the bw so is there a guarantee that when they flip the switch for wifi tethering more will start abusing? Not all know of the ability and in my opinion, I think they should have released the OTA, released the new Mytouch and then checked to see how their BW was doing. If bad, re-cap then. If nominal, why fix something that doesn't need the maintenance?
[G2 and Desire Z General] sino8r:
Exactly... like 1% of customers really makes a difference... its just t-mobile trying to play copy the other guys. They will release tethering and then bottleneck your network after you past 5 GB. To be honest... that's fine with me. Better than making you pay to tether period like the others. Tethering isn't supported to be your primary internet connection anyways. I use my G2 for browsing all the time and never past 5 GB. You'd have to be streaming day and night or using it on all your home pcs to reach past 5GB. The ota will be out soon enough. Frankly, I'm looking forward to the new radio rather than the tether/WiFi calling but everyone has their own specific needs. Plus, it might be useful for root. Now, we wait... grrrrr!
[G2 and Desire Z General] cliffr39:
Which is why they should just start doing the OTA via WiFi only or have it downloadable from their website on your PC and update using the USB (less likely to happen). Much more bandwidth efficient. They can then allow more users at once.
[G2 and Desire Z General] KidJethro:
x50gazillion

Big, giant, black double ended dildos.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Gr8gorilla:
Ok this thread has degraded into complete madness and chaos.

I would like to say though that you guys are being whinny little brats. I mean T-mobile is the only carrier that is even considering allowing you to tether for free. You have a 5GB soft cap and you don't have to pay for tethering. If you don't like it, go to ATT pay $25 per month for 2GB and then pay some more on top of that so that you can tether and use those 2GB even faster? YAY.

Verizon is going to a capped data plan as well. So for Unlimited Data in the US you have two choices, Tmo or Sprint. Sprint charges you to tether too.

You do know that Tmobile is a Company and not a charity right? I mean they do have to make a profit or you get no DATA.

Please STFU you whinny little *****ES!