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[Desire HD General] Semi666:
I really like specs of DHD it seems to be really great phone. Even if it lacks AMOLED display I still think that it would be phone arround. 4,3" display should be big enough to do light work on it which would include lots of browsing, emailing etc. I just wonder what do you expect from 1230 battery? I am still sticking to my very old but precious HTC Touch Diamond which is painfully slow and battery last only like 12 hours while I am using. So with all "improvments" (better cpu tech, older display and Android 2.2) battery life should be at least as good as EVO ? Thanks a lot for your opionions

PS I know that nobody will be sure until we get hands on DHD but at least we have something to chat about until we get final release date :)
[Desire HD General] v-b-n:
The same DHD ROM on HD2 with base WM ROM optimizations gets me 1.5 day worth and its not running Android directly from the phone yet.

So I would guess it will be 1-2 days with medium-heavy use
[Desire HD General] Semi666:
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Cool that would work for me :) Just wonder why EVO battery life is short? 4G drains more energy than 3G?
[Desire HD General] v-b-n:
Not sure of 4G but rest is like this -

GSM : More Talk/Use time & Lower Standby Time

3G/HSDPA : Lesser Talk/Use time & Higher Standby Time
[Desire HD General] SupremeBeaver:
Hey guys, what do you think the battery life would be without 3g on? I dont have a data plan, and dont plan to get one (yet?), so i'll be using wifi for data. So with 3g off, and data roaming off, and even wifi off, what would u expect the battery life to be with moderate-heavy usage?
[Desire HD General] JupiterDroid:
I think HTC lowering the size of the battery is a big indicator that the battery will definitely last you 1 day of heavy usage... I think if they was worried about the battery life they would have stayed with the 1400..

JD
[Desire HD General] Semi666:
They are using unibody design for DHD that could be also reason since EVO has classic design with removable back than I would think that physically bigger battery fits to it.
[Desire HD General] azreil24:
Appart from SE X10 I have never seen a smartphone of DHD, SGS, Desire etc. caliber to last more than 2 days max. Even the SGS (wich has 1500mAh) doesn`t last more than 3 days (that was the max I could get from it) although the battery is not the one that GsmArena guys used for testing, does who know about the controvers around the SGS battery know what I`m talking about. So, I don`t think it will do better than 2 days (max).
[Desire HD General] eozen81:
I wish at least as a marketing tactic, they should keep same size battery (1400 mAh) as Desire. It's really annoying to know you actually downsize in terms of battery while you are making a device upgrade.
[Desire HD General] Scotchy49:
From my understanding the DHD consumes less than the Desire, so even a downgrade in battery total capacity does not mean you will have less autonomy.
[Desire HD General] Mafiatounes:
I hope htc gets this right, i am really worried about battery life with heavy use.. It will be more power efficient compared to the evo 4g because the 4g uses a 65nm batt + likely the screen consumes more + the 4g is a battery eater.. but still i think the battery could have been a little bit bigger say 1320mah or even 1400mah, I hope mugen power or seidio come with a battery @ around 1600mah they can make that, the legend(Unibody) can have a 1800mah battery instead of the 1300mah that gives around 30 to 40% longer battery usage time in practice!
[Desire HD General] turkification:
We don't know how efficient the new chip is yet. We will have to wait for reviews. But like all modern smartphones, expect it to charge it everyday. (if you are a heavy user)
[Desire HD General] eozen81:
Maybe HTC is right about less consuming maybe not, we will see but at least there are many people who directly look up the battery capacity and it a downsized capacity may them prejudge and not to decide buy. I know this is not such a big probability but If I were CEo of HTC, I would definetely go with same size battery with Desire but declaration with "less consuming" compared to Desire.
[Desire HD General] SupremeBeaver:
i think they were forced into using that size, otherwise they would have to make the DHD fatter to fit in a bigger battery.
[Desire HD General] Bartkevin:
dont think so,

Keep in mind that the DHD has a completely new processor in it with a new GPU aswell!

tests have shown that the DHD is 2x faster then a Nexus one with android 2.2! This new processor probably uses alot less power, and thus a smaller battery would be enough for atleast 1 day.
[Desire HD General] alexleon:
DHD sports a bigger screen than desire. when screen is on, I 'd bet DHD would drain more, whilst it could be less energy-consuming when screen is off.
[Desire HD General] adwinp:
To end this pointless thread in a whip:

1: 45nm VS 65nm - you can make the maths. This alone will yield a hefty decrease in power usage.

2 (a): the (only) potential power usage increase might come from the 4.3" screen, although that remains to be seen. WIFI/BT are standard.

2 (b): in order to decrease 2 (a), disable auto brightness and set a static, lower level.

3: Another contender for battery usage might be HTC's framework+apps+services. Once you get rid of the unnecessary, you'll save quite a bit of power. Once you get recovery and use an AOSP build (I HATE SenseUI), this will further decrease power usage.

4: In order to further tune the power scaling, use an UV/OC kernel + proper scheduler ammendments (once HTC posts the source on the dev site). You can tweak the latter with in the meantime with temp. root and a user script targetting /sys values.

I guess that should cover the basics.
[Desire HD General] alexleon:
hey man..there are rumors spred about new chips on board from sandisk with lock on nand. there's a chance that hd2 will be as u unbox, for a long time. just hope it could be possible to undervolt the same kernel provided from htc.
[Desire HD General] azreil24:
Or maybe not, everything has a weakness, even the lock on nand :p we will just have to wait...
[Touch CDMA General] solarpolitiks:
I saw that the development for android on this device has gotten pretty far. I a curious, would it be worth it to buy this just for android? I guess I'm asking, is it that reliable that I can use it as the main OS? These phones go cheap now and I wouldn't mind having an android phone
[Touch CDMA General] Nick N:
Absolutely. I still activate mine every now and then just for the heck of it. Sure, the screen isn't the most vibrant and it isn't the fastest, but I still enjoy using it.
[Touch CDMA General] egzthunder1:
Agree with the poster above. Most builds out there are feature rich and will give you the full Android experience (assuming that you have data in your plan, that is). And yes, it is a very cheap way to get into Android.
[Touch CDMA General] solarpolitiks:
That's great to hear. I have seen these go as cheap as 50 bucks used on ebay I will definitely try to get one. Just a question, anybody know any good sites for buying older phones like this on the cheap? eBay only has so many in my range and I'd hate to miss out on this experience because I couldn't scrape up the cash in time.
[Touch CDMA General] egzthunder1:
You may be able to find some in XDA's marketplace. But eBay is your best bet (I got mine there for $80)
[Touch CDMA General] solarpolitiks:
Alright, one last question. Can I unlock this while on Android? I found a sprint touch online for dirt cheap but I am a Verizon customer. If I get the sprint one, can it be unlocked when using Froyo?
[Touch CDMA General] egzthunder1:
You'll have a tough time getting it activated on Sprint. It is doable, but try to find a Verizon one... that would be your best bet.
[Touch CDMA General] solarpolitiks:
So it IS possible to unlock a sprint Touch an use it on Verizon while on android? I heard that Verizon does not have sprint ESNs in their DB so actiavtion may require sweet talking the reps. I just found a touch through sprint for 37 shipped and I want to know if it will work in my situation for sure.
[Touch CDMA General] egzthunder1:
I will not guarantee this as their rule book say that is a no go. Again, try to get a Verizon one...
[Touch CDMA General] solarpolitiks:
Yeah, i got a verizon one from another member on the board so it's all good. Thanks for the help regardless
[Fascinate General] garywojdan81:
I'm hoping to get some help in making this decision by asking the expert community here at xda. I have a Fascinate now & while it's been fine in most aspects it seems to have connectivity issues with the stock email app. I live & work in a rural area & need this to work reliably. I'm coming from a Droid Eris that had no problem in this area. My 30 days isn't up yet so I can switch to something else if that will solve my problem. All Big Red has done so far is push new prls to the phone. Is the X better with 3g signal reception?
[Fascinate General] ksizzle9:
Keep the fascinating ate. When its all said and done it will get much more attention from the dev community
[Fascinate General] gbmitchell:
I had an X and have a Fascinate and i am considering going back. It is weird.

I like the feel of the fascinate in my hand better. Both devices had/have lag issues but the X seems to be not as bad as the fascinate on lag. I am not sure what I want to do. The Incredible seems to be the least laggy of the 3. I might hang on to the fascinate in hopes of cyanogen coming.

I am torn.
[Fascinate General] garywojdan81:
I appreciate the input. How have you found the signal strength of each? For me, it has to come down to day-to-day functionality first and I need to have the best possible connection for data.
[Fascinate General] gbmitchell:
I think the X may be slightly better on reception.
[Fascinate General] RacerXFD:
Droid x is a solid phone, but depending on what you want to be able to do with your phone is what you should look at.

Ie, modding custom roms - Fascinate

Solid feel -Droid x

Locked boot loader- droid x

E fuze- droid x

Can you tell that im a little preferential ?

But seriously, the droid x is solid phone if you have no interest in running custom roms.
[Fascinate General] Sjflowerhorn:
that about answers my question before even being asked
[Fascinate General] churro7:
id go with fascinate
[Fascinate General] kr8r:
X vs Fascinate

I work in an office where everyone was on Berries or various iOS devices and have slowly been making converts of them all. Most of the guys here carry either Xs or Galaxy S variants for the different networks.

I have a Fascinate and honestly the biggest difference I have found between the two is peripheral support. Moto seems to do a much better job of getting "extra" hardware out and known.

Software wise it is WAY easier to work in and on the fascinate because there is no fear of tripping that fuze or fuse or whatever it is officially called. As far as performance goes, none of us really see much difference although the S seem to have brighter\crisper screens in a wider range of tests.
[Fascinate General] spotmark:
I've owned both phones, and I prefer the Fascinate. I like it better because it feels better in my hand, and in the end, I think it's going to be a lot more customizable.
[Fascinate General] garywojdan81:
Thanks for all the advice. Has anyone noticed any other issues with the Fascinate? How's call quality been? Battery life? Display? Camera? All these areas have threads in the X forums as well & what I'm seeing so far is alot more ex-X owners here than ex-Fascinate owners there. I guess that should tell me something.
[Fascinate General] hanathan:
Well, to be fair, the Droid X has also been out longer than the Fascinate so it follows that there are fewer ex-Fascinate owners.

Another tricky thing to consider--the Droid X is going to be EOL'd (end of life) in March of 2011 according to an internal Verizon document leaked via droid-life. Presumably, Motorola will be releasing a refresh or replacement model around that time. However, Moto released updates for the original Droid well after Verizon stopped selling it, whereas Samsung is infamous for halting software support altogether once carrier(s) EOL a device. Whether or not they'll do that with their high-profile Galaxy S line at the cost of their own credibility/brand equity in the global smartphone market remains to be seen.

The consensus in the market is that the X has superior voice call quality and a more accurate GPS. If either of those factors is decisive for you, you might want to just go with the X. Also, its LCD screen displays text more crisply than the SGS' S-AMOLED screens (out of the box anyway), although the still underway Project Voodoo is aiming to help remedy this, but it's not available yet and there's no guarantee that they'll be able to make it superior, just less fuzzy than it currently is. Having said that, if you can live with the text resolution, the display on the SGS devices is truly impressive for image/video and also useable outside in sunlight! Oh and Galaxy S devices are compatible with more codecs and, despite lacking an HDMI outlet and Moto's fancy noise cancellation for phone calls, have a dedicated audio chip that makes for exceptional sound quality for music.

Samsung has promised to get Froyo and other fixes for the Fascinate out by the end of the month. A comprehensive GPS overhaul doesn't appear likely anytime soon, but the form factor is still dreamy and the fact that the bootloader is unlocked means many of the device's shortcomings may find custom ROM solutions more easily than the X.

Essentially, you'll have to decide what your priorities are and trust your own judgment. Good luck!
[Fascinate General] hannaxbear:
I just got my Fascinate this past Sunday and these are some of the things I noticed:

- My GPS works really well in my opinion. Once in a while, it might take like 30 seconds to lock, but the GPS I was using before took just as long, if not longer (although granted, it wasn't a top of the line GPS). In any case, I really don't find any issues with the GPS.

- I don't like where they put the lock/unlock button. I keep accidentally pressing the volume rocker on the other side of the phone. Does anyone else find this annoying?

- I have noticed that reception always seems rather low. Now, I generally don't care much about how many bars of reception are displayed, but when using Google Voice to send text messages, I often get the error "Message could not be sent" and then I'd have to try again and it'd work (and I may end up sending the message twice by accident). This happens many, many times in a day, even when I appear to have good reception or am outside, etc. Does this happen to anyone else?

Anyway, after doing a lot of research between the Fascinate and the Droid X, I agree with the other person that the Fascinate is the best choice if you want to do a lot of customizing, and if you trust in the community, the Fascinate's future has more potential. I think my biggest concern for the Fascinate is the reception, which is the main thing that makes me wonder about switching to the Droid X. Other than Google Voice constantly not being able to send a message, I don't have any major issues with reception (i.e. no dropped calls in unusual places or anything else I can remember). If you don't care too much for customization and control, I'd say go with the Droid X. It is definitely a solid phone, right out of the box.

Other things about the Droid X that may factor into your decision:

- Reported to have a low speaker/ringtone

- Has an LED notification light

- Official Froyo release
[Fascinate General] INeedYourHelp:
I just played with both at a local wireless store. For some reason, the droid x has a lot better reception/signal. It had 5 bars, while the fascinate only had 3. Also, I ran that Speed Test App to see how fast Verizon's 3g was in my town, and the droid x got around 600, while the fascinate only got around 350. Strange. If I had to pick, I would get the droid x simple because: bigger screen, 8gb internal storage, and better signal.
[Fascinate General] adrynalyne:
"You are holding it wrong."

:D
[Fascinate General] Mylt1:
there is some talk that the DX inflates its signal strength. i have seen a couple of reviews on the web with the DX and the SF next to each other and the SF showed less bars(not only cell but WiFi as well) and the SF was faster. this was also one of the problems with the iplop's signal strength before they claimed they "fixed" it with an update. i messed around with both at the local VZN store and the SF was faster opening apps and on the web. one thing i didnt like about the DX was when swiping to the next screen it always seems to over slide then slide back to center. the SF did not do this, it had a nice smooth slide from screen to screen. as for the screen, yes, the DX is larger but i see that as a down fall. there are times i slip my cell in my pocket and the larger phone is a PITA. i dont want to have to have it in a holster all the time. one shining point of the DX is the miniHDMI out. as it sits the SF doesnt do video out via a cable. of course, i dont have HDMI on my TV so its not that big of an issue. i would have preferred tthat it had the video out like the SF should have once 2.2 comes out(at least im hoping). right now, from where im sitting the SF edges out the DX but not by much. its all in what the end user wants to do with there phone.
[Fascinate General] gbmitchell:
I now have voodoo on my Fascinate and I would not go back to the X.
[Fascinate General] ksizzle9:
Battery life is on par with the x. The screen and multimedia features se much better than the x. The camera and video quality are much much better on the fascinate. And the fascinate will be much easier to customize. I've had the DInc, X, D2, and now the fascinate. Of all three the only thing I dislike the most about the fascinate is the lack of froyo. We will have that too, soon enough. Not to mention is has the best CPU/GPU combination in the mobile market anywhere. The iPhone 4 is know as a heat gaming phone. Ell guess what, the x has the powerVR SGX 530, the iPhone 4 has the powerVR SGX 535, and last but not least the Fascinate has the POWERVR SGX 540. Not to mention the sixaxis accelerometer. Its a great phone.
[Fascinate General] vashht:
I had a droid x for about a week before i switched to the fascinate. Honestly i wanted to like the droid x but everything just felt slower on it. I had an epic before i dropped sprint for verizon and moving to the droid x felt like a step backwards. Even running the blurless roms for the droid x i still noticed little hitches all over the place where my epic had been totally smooth. To be fair though the gps and battery were better om the droid x for me, but i just felt like the entire system was slower in comparison to the galaxy s phones. I am really enjoying the fascinate so far though, gets better batery life than my epic did plus its so damn thin i've had a lot of peole comment on how nice this phone looks and i agree.
[Fascinate General] takylo:
The Fascinate screen was the deal breaker for me!
[Fascinate General] garywojdan81:
Might still be a dealbreaker. Anyone seeing the beginning of amoled screen burn-in in the notification bar?
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pobinghun:
Do you guys know that the headphone for captivate works with ios? I mean the remote control works fine. It is able to stary and pause music.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Dave the Knave:
Well obviously, haha. If you look at the end of the wire, you'll see that the plugs have the rings in the same spots.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pobinghun:
not true, I used to have a Nokia N900, the same 3-ting plug, but works nowhere except for the n900.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cliffgardner:
How is this remotely relevant?
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cappysw10:
I think what the op was getting at is the stock music player is coded crappy.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xgrewellx:
I have CM6 installed, Hboot version 0.76.2000 I did a backup before flashing this hboot and installing CM6, I want to go back to the backup I did. When I try to restore the Nandroid backup it fails stating that the restore failed. I am wondering if it is because of the new hboot, and how I can get back to the one I was on. I was stock sense with newest OTA. would like to pick up where I left off and continue on. Any help?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dom085:
I've heard that nandroid backups are specific to the HBOOT version they were made on.

Example, Fresh 3.3.0.1 on HBOOT 0.93 backup will not install on a phone that now has hboot 0.76.2000.

Everything should be fine if you can get back to the HBOOT you had. I don't know myself how to do this, but I believe you'll have to find a PC36IMG.zip file that has the appropriate HBOOT and put that on your SD card. Then boot into recovery and let that PC36IMG.zip run and install the update.

Someone who has actually done this needs to chime in.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] spyngamerman:
here this should work made and tested it myself had same problem

this will get u to hboot_0.93.0000
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lowspeed:
Can someone explain hboot ? does it matter what version you have ?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] easton312:
Can anyone please post a link or message me for a link to download swype on my HTC evo..... please
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dom085:
Swype has been deemed as warez on xda, so you won't be finding it or links any longer 'round these parts...
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Crotchety:
lol yeah that cracks me up. I've always thought that whole alleged "gray area" of when exactly Swype officially became warez was a bit ridiculous. The beta copies were always intended only for those who signed up for it and gave feedback to the company in return for the free product. Nobody downloading it through XDA was helping Swype out with feedback, and those were completely unauthorized copies of the software. Yet, once the beta testing is closed then all of a sudden......it's warez everybody! lol, I'm not complaining at all since there are other places to find newer versions of Swype with a quick Google search, so it's really no inconvenience. Just pointing out a peculiarity.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dom085:
Apparently, Swype is doing this because they want to sell their app to the carriers/manufacturers exclusively, and thus need to clamp down on "piracy."

I'm not sure if they're making more money doing that versus offering it on the market for $3, but they seem to think so.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bluebeast213:
Yeah, it's not available on here......but it's not hard to find with a quick google.

I believe 2.4.44 is the newest version.
[Fascinate Themes and Apps] magicriggs:
Me having way too much time on my hands. Fully working and fully customizable widgets. Widgets layed out to mimic WP7. This is Running Launcher Pro Plus. NOT A ROM. Stock 2.1 w/update fascy Bloatware removed.

Watch it in action!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIxSIJGlfK4
[Fascinate Themes and Apps] punkwhan:
Very nice.

I was thinking about creating one for myself.

Would you mind telling me how to create these custom widget for Launcher Pro Plus?

I think I saw it somewhere else in xda but couldn't find it.

a sort of step-by-step instruction would be nice

Thanks in advance.
[Fascinate Themes and Apps] Florynce:
There is a very detailed post in the general android forums. Its called android phone 7.
[Fascinate Themes and Apps] magicriggs:
Here's what I did, I didn't read any other forum on how to do this. I just wanted it so I just basically did it how I would do it.

First, get launcher pro plus. You need LPplus so you can resize widgets. Hide your notification tray, empty out the bottom dock.

I'm using "Desktop Visualizer" on my Android phone. Check it out here: http://whatsonyourandroid.appspot.com/details?p=jp.co.bii.android.app.dskvzr

Download desktop visualizer from market. Then download icons from google images. Then just add the DV widget like normal. It will instruct you which app to use, super easy. Then just resize everything like you want it. Then repeat. :)