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[Galaxy S I9000 General] TNStrangelove:
I agree with this except one thing, The desire HD uses a newer snapdragon processor with a vastly upgraded GPU, the hummingbird still beats it but not by that much.

Fair enough, I'm going to be using launcherpro if I get a Galaxy S anayway so I don't care too much about touchwiz.

Yes I did know this, Samsung makes quality hardware. I probably should have been clearer, I was talking about continuing product support, from what I have read Samsung has a pretty poor track record on this front.

The Engadget test was video, AMOLED has a huge advantage when displaying the generally darker colours which videos tend be more . LCD has an advantage on lighter colours which the majority of apps and web-pages are (AMOLED takes three times the amount of power to display white) S-LCD has a battery advantage over regular LCD. Therefore in real world usage S-LCD is likely to outperform AMOLED, and will probably Equal if not exceed S-AMOLED.

Of course it is now coming to light that the Desire HD may be regular LCD, but that information wasn't around when I wrote my post.

The claim Samsung > HTC does not automatically follow from the premises you described.

Well obviously. That's good advice for anything ever.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Maddmatt:
If the Desire HD is considerably more expensive, then I would.

Then I'd sell it and buy an SGS so I have a bit of profit :D

The screen on the SGS wins me over. Software issues can be fixed, inferior hardware cannot. Although I do like the metal body on the Desire HD.

As much as Samsung's software issues annoy me I know they can be fixed. HTC has their own issues anyway.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] bilboa1:
i actually like the plastic of the sgs ;) might be alone there..

but:

- while it's not especially sexy: it's not ugly either

- it's so LIGHT and THIN i barely feel the phone in my pocket, I love that. I love that wat more than a nice aluminum look.

- it's actually stronger than I though, after owning it for a while and traveling around the screen is extremely strong, and the plastic does not seems to tear up etc
[Galaxy S I9000 General] johcos:
I have an HD2 and I tested for nearly a day the desire HD rom that has been leaked.

Software and looks (internal) of desire HD makes galaxy s to look like a cheap OEM phone.

I'm not sure if I'll dump the SGS mostly because I'm waiting for a dual core processor.

I'm sure for one thing though, my next phone will be HTC.

I don't care about the bugs your taking about and comparing my last 2 HTC phones with SGS bug-wise I would say that SGS is the worst (see lagfix and GPS). Samsung doesn't even care and we're depending to the great guys here in XDA to make our phones to work a little better
[Galaxy S I9000 General] TNStrangelove:
It is an entirely new generation of snapdragon processor, not as fast as the Galaxy S but not far off and much faster than the desire.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Prasad:
I'm keeping my galaxy s. I simply love it! it's an amazing piece of technology no matter what anyone says, especially at it's price... Is it so hard to stop whining and cribbing about the littles ? :-)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] shoemeistah:
The thing is IMO... whenever you buy a top class phone, there will shortly after be another slightly better one released with it's possible different disadvantages. If you want the best up to date, spend all your money each three months on expensive phones :P.

So my advice is to be happy with your current phone(s). Looking at super phones you can't really afford or do not really need makes your heat feel bad lol. Make fun of people who have a iphone or something.

Sent from my HTC
[Galaxy S I9000 General] testulous:
after using my i9000m for a week I gave away my iPhone. I can't see how the Desire HD is an upgrade from the SGS, at least on paper. The Galaxy is about as big as a phone can be without becoming clumsy. If I wanted a huge chunk I'd have gotten the X10 ;)

And, there's no way I'm going to downgrade to a TFT. You've gotta be nuts.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] doctorxerxes:


+1... I totally agree with your rationalisation.. My sgs just flies with tayutamas rom... No more lag...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] dagrim1:
Meh, might...

After owning a HD2 before I know about the size of the phone being pocketable and ok. Shouldn't be bigger (and I actually enjoy the lightness and smaller formfactor of the SGS) but it's not too big for my liking. And I don't have big hands btw...

Main decision issues for me:

1. Screen. I love the samoled screen, looks great, good viewing angles, etc. But I'd have to see the screen of the DHD before I can make a decision. I would like an even bigger screen (the SGS is noticably smaller then my HD2 for example... no dealbreaker but bigger is nicer. Especially with webpages and all).

2. Battery life. I can easily manage 2 days with the SGS, I would want the same from the DHD.

3. Videocam recording. Utter crap in the SGS, not so much the video but the sound is a disaster. As soon as there is some background noise you can throw it away. Recording at concerts or in the car with the radio on? Forget it. This makes it almost unusable for me. If the DHD has proper video and audio recording that would be a BIG plus.

3b. Well, part of the video thing but the flash on the DHD is a big plus. Not so much for pictures/cam (even though it DOES Help) but even just for using it as a flashlight.

4. LEDs. The NoLED app fixes a lot of this, but it's still a workaround...

5. HTC Sense: In my opinion superior to most other shells. Using launcherpro and some other widgets the SGS comes close, but again... Sense is just so sweet.

6. GPS: Flaky at the SGS. Suits my needs but more accurate GPS would be nice... Perhaps the DHD would fix this.

7. RAM, DHD packs more of it... nice. On the other hand, on device storage sucks with like 1.5GB.

8. Depends on what I can get the DHD for (2nd hand) and what I can sell the SGS for. If it's less the say 100 bucks difference I might be very tempted.

The SGS is nice, but if the DHD adds those things that bug me on this device I would have no problem dumping it...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] lubu21:
Not when it packs a S-lcd screen, with like... 1.5gb rom with no internal sd storage ... and a 1230mAh battery... :o

Not to mention weighing like a brick at 164g... :D
[Galaxy S I9000 General] TNStrangelove:
A lot of people don't find 4.3inches too big (granted that's partly because I am 6 foot 6, but I know smaller people also who prefer the bigger screen), and would love the extra screen space, also I personaly would prefer a non-pentile screen. The processor is not that much slower to be much of a "downgrade" for me, and the GPS being better is a big deal for a lot of people.

That said it's the camera issues that put me off getting a Desire HD instead.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] appelflap:
I think he has a good point there. I owned a HD2 (4.3") and although I loved the screen it was just a little too big for me to operate it with one hand.

There seems to be some kind of interesting maximum for screen sizes. Maybe 4.3 for people with bigger hands, but that's pretty much it.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] niles1:
I think i'll stay with my galaxy s, i will root this sooner or later when this gets desire HD rom and 4,3" display is bit too big, 3,5"-4" is requirement for me and i love super amoled.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Eienkei:
I love SAMOLED! Having HTC HD2 in the past, I'm not sure if HTC phones are flawless either, I remember I had to press the red reset button on it every day due to system freezes which never got fixed by HTC!

My Galaxy S is now sporting a Case Mate Tough Case & God it's lovely! Just waiting for Froyo, the delay means something, I hope they get rid of lag & GPS problem, with these two fixed I will stick with SGS for a long long time!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] richardbroder:
Screen size is a subjective matter. I have average-sized hands and fingers, and although I am perfectly capable of handling the SGS with one hand, I do admit that I have to do some uncomfortable finger-stretching in order to reach the farthest edges... I can live with it, though, since, for most of my single-handed operations, the buttons I need to use are within easy reach of my thumb... but I seriously wouldn´t want nor recommend anything bigger then 4", 4" is fine for comfortable web-browsing, fonts are big enough and you still retain a lot of reading space, 4" IS a big screen size for a mobile phone, anything bigger then that starts to look as overkill (in the negative sense) for me, but then again, you´re mileage may vary... I´m personally more worried with resolution and image quality (color, contrast) then screen size itself... and I think that, at 4" with 800x480 pixels and SAMOLED technology, the Galaxy S achieved a great balance between size, usability, and quality. It´s arguably the best screen in business today.

The only reason I mentioned all this is because I´ve seen a lot of people referring to Desire HD´s 4.3 screen and overall form-factor as a plus when compared to the Galaxy S ("Desire looks nicer, has better materials" etc). And I seriously do NOT agree with that. The SGS is much lighter (its impressively light), slimmer, has a nicer screen (although not as big, it´s better in every other imaginable aspect). Yes, it can be made of plastic, but it´s hi-grade plastic and its build-quality is excellent (just as well-built as any iPhone 3GS), it´s just a PHONE, for christ sake, it´s not supposed to be made of FORGED STEEL or any heavy metals that will leave the device 40% heavier just because it "looks good", that makes no sense to me. Beauty must proceed function, not the opposite. And beauty marries very nicely to function in the Galaxy S - when you first get a Galaxy S in your hands, you nearly can´t believe they´ve managed to put so much power in such a light and slim form-factor (that´s when you see how good of a design you got in hands). It´s ultralight and ultrathin, and yet they have managed to stick in a beautifull screen, the most powerful CPU/GPU in the market, and a 1500mah battery that can handle a good 2 days of satisfactory hi-end mobile device usage... or am I just being crazy in thinking the Galaxy S does have, indeed, one of the most happily-resolved smartphone designs of all?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] shivankit:
+1

Completely agree. Samsung has put the best hardware out there into its masterpiece. Once the sourcecodes are out and the likes of cyanogen are churning roms for it, you will see how quickly it will differentiate itself from other android phones. Give it some loving and it will grow to be a world beater.:)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] TNStrangelove:
I didn't mean to imply it wasn't subjective, and also based upon the size of the person, I was just pointing out that what is a downgrade for you is an upgrade for some of us. The reason I personally am interested in screen size is because I tend to be a bit ham-fisted with touch-screens and larger screen sizes increase usability, I'm aware 4inches is itself a massive screen but I could still use more room. I'm less concerned about screen size than I was before I tried Swype which works great, but still pretty happy that phones are finally being made in my size.

When I made a list of pros for both phones I actually put Screen size as a pro for the Desire HD, and pocketability as a Pro for the Galaxy S, I also added lightweight as a pro for the Samsung Galaxy S whilst build quality went to Desire HD (which whilst I know the Galaxy S is a lot better than it looks I still feel the Desire HD is better in this respect).

I'm still leaning towards the Galaxy S at the moment since Swype takes care of the main issues I have with screen size, and the Camera and sound quality are looking to be better on the Galaxy S.

My main concern with the Galaxy at the moment is the penile screen, can anyone give me an objective assessment of that issue?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] bilboa1:
you've to see to decide

when i look close i can see the pentile

when i first saw it i though "oh its less good than the iphone4 for the resolution"

i used it everyday since and i don't actually notice the pentile matrix - i even use the book reader without issue.

i sure notice the incredible contrast however. everytime the screen goes black especially.. i think the screen just went into sleep mode, while its a video transition. it's that incredible.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] justmeinit:
Was gonna get the HTC Desire HD

I have been told its been delayed till end of the month :( so the SGS was my second choice i need a new phone and i want one before i go on my hols 12th Oct i know the camera on the SGS is very good as well as the video would i be making a mistake by getting this phone as i know there are alot of people selling their SGS to get the Desire HD
[Galaxy S I9000 General] dani31:
1. No one knows how DHD really is because it's not out yet.

2. You are on the SGS forum, do you really expect many people to tell you that it's a bad phone? (even if it actually has a few issues, mainly software + cheap feel + no notification led)

3. Based on the datasheets:

- the HTC's CPU is still weaker than Samsung's Hummingbird

- the battery is 1200 vs Samsung's 1500

- the display is bigger but it's vanilla LCD, not even SLCD - no match for SGS's Super AMOLED.

4. On a personal note, I was holding for DHD as well but when I learned that it backs up my personal data on HTC's servers and that I need to pay for guided navigation - no thanks.

Hope this hepls.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] darkoroje:
I would suggest to wait until the Desire Hd is released and some reviews come in. Hopefully by that time Froyo for the Galaxy will have been released and it will be possible to do a proper comparison
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ranwej:
As I know, no real multitouch, only tft display, bluetooth keyboards not supported even in froyo. So for me is samsung better choice.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] AllGamer:
here is the typical situation:

New phone!

1. every one is Wow and Awed..

2. everyone flocks to the new phone

3. few days later every complains about the phone

4. spams all over the new about the new phone being a piece of crap, bugs etc, etc, and people lit fire to HTC, or whatever company it happens to be at the moment

5. a few weeks later people chill down, works sensibly, report and find the bugs, the freelancer Devs (XDA) works on the bugs and fixes the problem

6. few days every body happy, fix is on the way

7. everyone install the fixes, and everyone is happy until another big bug comes arounnd.

meanwhile HTC, samsung, sony, etc, they all get the benefit of our free work.

check all the forum, every phone has been through that cycle

so if you really like whatever phone it is, just hang on until the bug is fixed, if you can't wait, then switch to a more Older model with already all the bugs polished

All new models are Bugs included free of charge, it is a new feature of all new phones!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] jam3sjam3s:
SGS is still superrior to DSD.

It has better battery, better screen, better CPU, much better GPU, new generation bluetooth (3.0) etc
[Galaxy S I9000 General] the_ahmadzais:
I heard sgs is very laggy and have gps issues and not good true colors. And cheaper feel like a toy. I would go with HTC desire. They have lots of devs and roms and 2.2 froyo
[Galaxy S I9000 General] bsamurai:
can't argue that desire have more developer working on it, go check with the Desire custom rom, all comes with different weaknesses.

I do not understand the true colour argument.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] the_ahmadzais:
I don't own the galaxy that's what I've been told but I have played around with it and I do like the galaxy s its fast as hell but is it really cheap quality built? Like what people say it is?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] andrewluecke:
That rumor came about because it uses a plastic backing, and some people like to think they are professional engineers. The build quality seems to be the same as any other mobile realistically, and there have been few reports of them falling apart.

Also, the display uses Corning/gorilla glass too, so don't believe the crap about it scratching easily (that definitely isn't true).

In regards to the problems with the phone. A lot of them are exaggerated. At this time:

1) GPS is only usable for car navigation and basic lookups. It isn't accurate enough for Fitness tracking.

2) The radio is apparently Mono (probably due to bugs).

3) The phone can be sluggish when switching apps sometimes (mainly when apps are installing). Don't believe the people who claim it constantly lags 10-60secs though, because that isn't really true. And the phone is certainly usable without lagfixes (lagfixes simply improve the experience).

That being said:

1) HTC products often do have more community ROM support (however, it's worth noting that Samsung are REALLY pushing this phone)

2) HTC has done some nice stuff in the past.. BUT, since the Desire HD isn't out, we have NO idea if it doesn't have different problems. People are marching around saying "at least it wont have the lag issue", and whilst that might be true, it will probably have other software issues. It's simply too early to tell!

Next time, please post this to the desire vs X10 vs SGS thread though..
[Galaxy S I9000 General] kenkiller:
The dev support for SGS is pathetic compared to what is available for the popular HTC models like Desire. :(
[Galaxy S I9000 General] cheetah2k:
Just get an iphone 4...... This SGS and froyo crap is killing us all
[Galaxy S I9000 General] barakoas:
NO! this is pathetic.. saying that HTC have better support than Samsung.. thats not true! both r same! had few phones form htc and Samsung in the past and theres no difference between em!!! its just pretty dumb superstition.. :mad:
[Galaxy S I9000 General] AllGamer:
i agree, i had the same problems with HTC
[Galaxy S I9000 General] compuse:
True devs would pick a sgs before knowing how the kernel should be patched, it's stil lthe best piece of hardware available. The recent ones don't have lag anymore(out of the box) en they're more like eye-candy then those stereotype phones from htc.

More peeps are walking around with such a pathetic desire, simply cos they don't want to spend an extra 100 bucks for it, couldn't wait of did need a flashlight along with the cursor button. Hardware-wise the sgs knows no match, shame that they launched it a bit to quick so that the newbies to smartphones aren't comprehending his abilities thus can't take it's slowness, in the earlier versions, for granted.

Love the Desire HD and it think you should have wait, if you need more of a paperweight, a qwerty board for your shaky fingers or more support from their creators.

I sell these phones, and it always troubles me hearing "i want a sgs" or "i want a desire" without even knowing about ones batterylife, abilities nor an idea that you can do more then textmessaging en shoting photo's.

Battery isnt that good but still way better then those i see in the HTC.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] mjonase:
I have both phones, and what impresses me with galaxy is the camera, screen quality, the music player and also it's very light, basically it's the whole graphical interface thats makes me happy, i haven't rooted the device yet, but the experience that i get with the desire mind you it's rooted and uses custom rom is amazing and i spend more time fiddling with it than the galaxy, i hope the froyo update will give the galaxy s that electrifying feel that's missing, i'm glad i don't have to choose between the 2.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] who knows:
htc has a better cpu and gpu.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] natsirt789:
lol........
[Galaxy S I9000 General] INeedYourHelp:
um, no. I wouldn't call the sgs gpu "much" better, but it's still slightly better.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ro4sho:
Fail
[Galaxy S I9000 General] satyrus:
Dunno where you come from mate.. I was previously a pure nokia guy.. But well everybody knows how nokia did and does, pathetically supporting its outdated symbian os.

Anyway, my experience with the samsung galaxy s it's just superrior to everything I had before.. (coming from nokia)

Don't listen to the talk about cpu and gpu.. people just like big numbers. It all comes down to how well the software is fitted to the hardware and samsung did a good job.

The only time I experience lag is when installing an app, when it gets a bit sluggish switching through screens. But by the time the app is installed there are no problems for me, no lag when multitasking or anything.

The camera is just beautiful. That's a big plus for me, coming from nokia and Zeiss optics. Recording is smooth and fast, and 720p is working flawless. Recorded some footage in a prodigy concert a week or two ago and even while I forgot to turn it to 720p, it looks great.

Gps fix is fast for me, but can't really say I use it often, got a dedicated gps device anyway.

Finally with 2.2 coming out soon, the device can get only better/smoother. You won't see any huge numbers in benchmarks, but who really cares. Synthetic benchmarks say null about real life performance and can be fixed to show anything they want (see Nvidia and some synthetic benchmarks).
[Galaxy S I9000 General] justmeinit:
Guys to give you an update i ordered the SGS this morning arives tomorrow :)

So i know there are a few things i need to do with my phone so any tips which lagfix etc and with rooting phone and stuff is it worth just waiting for the proper 2.2 update from samsung now
[Galaxy S I9000 General] who knows:
prove me wrong and ill gladly accept failure
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Trinitronik:
Youtube will proof you;

Quake 3: Desire VS Galaxy S:

/watch?v=dpP5QljEqow

Multitouch: Desire VS Galaxy S:

/watch?v=hVlsRCMltDg&feature=fvsr

Any other Questions?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] AllGamer:
there are more links on the SGS wiki
[Galaxy S I9000 General] opensourcefan:
Found this in a review which seems to sum it up nicely...

I would say it's a tie depending on what side of the fence you stand on.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] who knows:
thats a nice video of desire v galaxy s, to bad the thread is on about desire hd with 2nd gen processors.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Prasad:
Please don't risk voiding your warranty as soon as the phone arrives... Leave rooting alone. It is not worth it. The official froyo is seemingly VERY close now... Just wait! :-)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] dani31:
No one has to prove anything.

Based on the technical specs it is well agreed in the tech world that Galaxy S is better and you that should care reading more before posting such statements.

Real world performance is a question mark until DHD and the official SGS froyo update are both out.

HTC Desire HD

- CPU: Qualcomm Snapdragon QSD8255 @1 GHz, 45nm manufacturing process

- GPU: Adreno 205 (41 million triangles/sec)

Samsung Galaxy S

- CPU: Hummingbird S5PC110 @1 GHz, 45 nm manufacturing process

- GPU: PowerVR SGX540 (90 million triangles/sec)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] lokhor:
Neocore Desire Z vs SGS

So according to this benchmark on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJlB4U2vAek&feature=rec-LGOUT-real_rev-rn-2r-7-HM

The HTC Desire Z has a higher framerate in Neocore than the SGS. Someone told me that the FPS on the SGS might be capped. Is this true or does the Desire Z have a more powerful GPU?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Rc-Blob:
Yeah, the refresh rate of the galaxy s is about ~56 fps.

So until we see GLBenchmark 2.0 we can't really say.