[Vibrant General] tjhart85:
All the things I can find about it online say that it drops bars, but no one has dropped a call because of it. The iPhone actually dropped calls (maybe that was just AT&Ts network and it always happened to coincide with when people held the phone a certain way?)

As of 1600 CST, the page of hits, no one says that they actually have dropped a call. The iPhone4 has an external antenna that your skin/sweat can bridge causing it to short. This is a hardware defect. If something that is EXPECTED to touch the phone causes it to actually drop calls, that's a real defect.

Pretty much every other phone that has a "death grip" issue results in a few lower bars, but no dropped calls because the signal is still coming through, so not at all like the iPhone4.

Unfortunately, some managers are just dicks who think that you'll be scared into a contract, which means they'll make more money.

Let me ask, did you go to a "true" tmobile store or one of the ones that are basically just allowed to use Tmobiles name? I know if I go to the mall (and random stores), if I need something like a SIM card, only the "real" Tmobile stores can provide them. Maybe selling the phones for retail is the same.

But, you had a buyers remorse period of time! I'm sorry that after 3-4 months, you want the latest and greatest, and aren't happy with your phone, but you had your chance to return the phone without any of these problems or hardship. You were obviously happy enough with your phone then that you didn't return it.

Yeah, I'll agree. That is bull****, but the other official updates for the other carriers have all had more issues than they solved. Samsung sucks. I 100% agree with you on this.

Not sure what the unlock routine is that you're referring to.

Apple stands behind Apples product. AT&T has nothing to do with that.

Samsung not supporting their phone and the Google updates has nothing at all to do with Tmobile either. Samsung has a history of not caring once they get your money.

I agree. Which is one of the reasons why you have a buyers remorse period. If you aren't happy with the product that you bought AS IT STANDS AT THE TIME YOU BUY IT, you should return it. Samsung has a horrible track record. I would never have based my decision to buy this phone on anything Samsung said.

My decision to buy the phone only came after someone on TeamDouche (was it Wes at that point or did someone come before him?) said that they'd make a port.

The end result is the same: Waiting for someone to make an update for it. But, I at least feel confident that TD IS working on it.

I've had people tell me that they shouldn't have to do research before they buy a phone. To them, I say why would you drop $500 (or $200 on contract) and be locked into a piece of hardware for two years (if you go contract) without doing a little bit of research? That is just dumb. If you don't do the research and you wind up with a POS, use that buyers remorse period and return the phone.

Death Grip - As I said no ones mentioned it dropping calls on them. Not an issue.

GPS - The GPS DOES work. The day I bought my phone, after waiting about 5 minutes in my car for it to get a signal, it worked. It wasn't 100% accurate, but there is always a warning on any app that depends on GPS for things like driving that warns you that it won't be 100%. Yes, it is a software bug, but stock out of the box, the function they advertised DOES work.

No Updates - Well, that sucks. BUT, until recently, you were lucky if any phone EVER got an update. My RAZR had tons of software bugs, but you didn't see Motorola EVER fixing them, except for minor revisions for the next version of the phone. If you didn't like the phone you bought, you should have returned it.

No Communication - They have a twitter account that they update pretty often. They will respond and basically say we're working on it & we'll update as it happens. And for better or worse, they pretty much have done this. It may not be the answer we want, but they have been communicating.

People have also emailed them and gotten canned responses asking them to call in. Have you tried calling Samsung? If you have, you probably got a "We're working on it and will release it as soon as we can." THAT IS COMMUNICATION!

When they missed their September "deadline" for the GPS fix, they communicated that we should see something in about it week. About a week to me means 1.5 weeks, up to 2 weeks. Since we're only at the 5th of October, we're nowhere near their new deadline.

I do want you to know I'm not trying to be rude or anything like that. You came on here obviously expecting people to rally behind you because you knew that you were RIGHT. I'm explaining why (to me at least), you are not. It seems to be the consensus of some of us that you are incorrect and it is the consensus of others that you are 100% correct and they agree with you.

For everyone that agrees with his stance, why not talk to a lawyer about a class action? Lawyers love class actions (as long as they have a legal leg to stand on) because:

If they don't win, the clients usually don't pay. This means: If they do win, they get a lions share of the rewards. Lawyers really like this. They won't put time into something they don't think they can win though since like I said, you don't pay if they don't win.

Once you've talked to the lawyer, let us all know what he/she has to say about it. Maybe start up a list of people who want to be contacted if a class action comes to pass (check with XDAs rules, I don't know their stance on that one).

If you can get a Class Action going, you'll be able to get people who love their phones to sign it just because they don't want to be left out of what they "deserve" because they bought the phone, so ......... Good Luck!