yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MAD_Matt:
First, great question. You want to know more about the process of the development that is keeping the OS from running at its best!

One thing you must realize of most electronic device manufacturer, the components (i.e. microchips, processors, memory modules) are made not by the device manufacturer (HTC), but a 3rd party like Qualcom (processor). Some components like the microchips and memory are made by different manufacturers at different times. When a company like HTC goes to develop a new phone, they might use a different manufacturer for these other components because they might be able to get a better deal at the time they are purchasing. The reason someone was able to put Windows on the iPhone is because Microsoft has developed Windows to be versatile. Apple however, develops all of their Operating Systems to run only on a very specific hardware set (this is why typically Apple is "more stable" than Windows). Being that Apple has such a strict hardware guideline for the iPhone, it didn't take long for someone to figure it out, write the appropriate drivers for Windows, and bam, you Windows on the iPhone. Now, Linux, like Windows, is much more flexible hardware wise; that's why Linux was running on the HD2 months ago. Now, Android is Linux based, but there are more complexities when writing the drives to interface with the OS. I don't even know where I was intending on going with this, it turned more into a rant, but I'm posting it anyway :P
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MAD_Matt:
haha, you said it much better than me. I'm watching CSI NY while I was writing my post and kept getting distracted so I just ended up ranting!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] initzero:
thanks to all you guys that took the time to respond. You taught me a lot, and I now have a much better understanding how it all works and what the challenges are, and it gives me a better appreciation for what these guys have accomplished. @encrypti0n, is this the build you are talking about NexusHD2-FRG83 V1.3? By the way did you feel the quake this morning out in OKC mad_matt?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] morpheus1982:
Good question

What a great thread. It started off a bit shaky as it seemed more like an ignorant insult to those working very hard and for free. However, ignoring a few flames, I think it was a very good question, even if it could have been worded differently.

XDA is home to some very clever individuals who I am sure are working for the various manufacturers and stealing source-code (only joking!). :p
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] initzero:
You're right and I edited my original :)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Gfunkyg:
Interesting thread !
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tleaf100:
why

why are so many people on xda so hot under the collar about noobs asking questions (ok,sometimes in wrong place)

WHY does everybody have to search ( wade) through page after page of posts ?

neither google or xda have a perfect,telepathicaly driven search system,to try and find the correct post that actualy gives you the info/link etc that you NEED NOW can be impossible,tried myself the other day,had to read through to page 43 (i think),to find that original install instructions were cocked,wonderful,i have all day to waste playing with my phones,some folk not so lucky.

i was under the impression that one of the ideas behind sites such as xda was so that people with knowledge/skills can help others without such gifts,yes lots of people can learn/copy,given time.

i.e i thought the idea was to make things quicker,easier,SAFER for ordinary folk

who would like to try and make the most of what xda etal and manufacters lay before us.

why make people re-invent the wheel because they want a new tyre ?

it is a brilliant site xda,but its not perfect by a long way..
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chrisrj28:
I definitiley understand where you are coming from and I do think that the noobs get it pretty rough but one thing that you should realize is that this is a developer's website that happens to have non-developer users. There has been nothing on this site since I have been here that has stated that noobs are welcome to ask repetitive questions, mind you steps have been taken to make things easier by providing new users with information to get them started.

Now when you sign onto this site it is under the assumption that you have some knowledge of phone modding/hacking. Now I have seen users who just get their shiny new phone and immediately post questions on what to do with it, in life nothing is ever handed to us and the same concept should be applied here.

Not to say that jumping down someone's throat is the right way to go but a little tough love helps to point the right way too. Answering the question but also providihng info on how to find further answers themselves is the way that I think new users should be handled as at one time we were all new users.

Now I did not read the OP's original post but his revision seems to be a pretty good question in a tone that is generally inquisitive as to what it takes to make this happen and he has responded by ackowledgiing he understands the process. That is progress and makes this a better site
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tleaf100:
developers ?

and exactly how many qualified,work place experienced developers are there attached to xda ? very tiny percentage of over all users.me calling myself a brain surgoune does not make me one..its a tinkerers site,clever tinkerers,but the vast majority of users (myself included) have a shallow level of knowledge of mobile phone,design,manufacture of mobile phones,nowhere near the level one needs to be called a developer.

i expect a developer to be given either just an idea,or a package of data and be told to get on with it,achieve the objectives expected,quickly,quietly,and be capable of delivering a COMPLETE,FINISHED,RELIABLE product at the end of the project.

not many people out of the user base on here can do that..

it sounds like i am running down xda,far from it,i have had reason more than once to sigh a breathe of relief in not having totaly bricked phone... usualy thanks to someone with none of the above skills,but more knowledge and experience than me and the nerves or need to tinker.

but then i only class myself as a high tech toy player,i can run a registry editor if i have to,i can make registry changes,does this make me a developer ?,my method of registry changes was look at what was on screen in front of me,and take an educated guess !!! sometimes (rarely)i would even get the behaviour i wanted...

there are still vast strides to go in making xda the perfect knowledge base,until then we should give people a bit more slack to ask their questions..
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wigwam12:
tleaf100 I agree with you 100%

Ironically the most technically gifted chefs etc are really helpful when they come across your posts and there are loads and loads of helpful members on here but there is always SOMEONE who has to come to a thread and feel to need to berate a user for not using search. It gets even more irritating like you say when you DO search, get to say page 9 but the answer was on page 10 (and then page 37 of that thread). Someone recently may have had the same problem and be able to give a quick answer.

Chill out people and encourage users to develope an interest in these great phones!
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dkdude36:
i have been having problems with very frequent reboots lately. it happens about 30 seconds after i turn my evo on, so i decided to start over and unroot. after the full process of unrooting, rerooting, and reflashing ava v9, i realized that the rom was running way smoother than before, and was having no problems. then, i reinstalled my apps i backed up with themepro using adb push app/ (where i have all the apps) /data/app/. i pushed while in recovery. almost instantly after rebooting, i noticed some of the old lag coming back. about a minute into the rom, i reboot. i booted up and down several times without being able to stay up for more than a minute. the apps did install succesfully however. please help. i have attached my apps below in case anybody wants to take a look.

thanks again

dk

apps: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10025668/app.zip
[EVO 4G General] nahanee20:
ok if i get a txt from 2 people at the same time they normally get delayed alot. or if im sending a text and someone else is texting me at the same time my text does not go through. I am using handcent, makes texting more than one person really hard.
[G1 Android Development] xillius200:
Void now sense lx
[G1 Android Development] xillius200:
I would have left as silent beta however the guide I sent out had errors so I decided to make public in the end also we need a new thread ^^
[G1 Android Development] j0c1323:
what about the incomings call?
[G1 Android Development] xillius200:
incoming calls works like last zx hero's :D
[G1 Android Development] lolmensch:
what a gorgeous first post xD try it ^.^ as this rom is freshly cooked i'd say nobody could answer that ;)

EDIT: Wifi broken atm
[G1 Android Development] XxKOLOHExX:
AWESOME!!! :D
[G1 Android Development] G1ForFun:
Is the MTD Partition hack required?
[G1 Android Development] xillius200:
Yeah the partition hack is required
[G1 Android Development] Infinimint:
Awesome

Simply amazing.
[G1 Android Development] Link2097:
yeah is it?

i to would like to know this because i dont think ill do it (even though i really want to try this updated rom) because im worried ill get bricked flashing something recovery (not rom) related wrong (this whole thinking is probably noobish though)

EDIT Sorry i posted a little late i was typing before you answered that guy
[G1 Android Development] xillius200:
not really any chance of bricking all it does is when the phone partitions the /system/ /data/ etc to a specified size what we are doing is taking down the size of /data/ for say and upping the size of /system/ ^^ think of it the same way as partitioning a hard drive for tripple boot :D
[G1 Android Development] bigmoew:
I guess I'm the first to have the honor of an install error so here it goes;

Flashed partition hack with special MTD instructions

When i got to flashing the rom, it says

E:Cant chown.mod /system/xbin

(No such file or directory)

E:Failure at line 17:

set_perm_recursive 0 2000 0755 0
[G1 Android Development] xillius200:
did you make a file called "mtdpartmap.txt" on your sd card with the following of "161 4" before you flashed fr-recovery zip
[G1 Android Development] bigmoew:
yes, but not exactly

As per the instructions on firerats thread, before I flashed the MTD recovery, I created on my sdcard a txt file named mtdpartmap that contains

"mtd 161 4"

Should it only be "161 4"?
[G1 Android Development] xillius200:
yeah should be "161 4" without the mtd in it ^^
[G1 Android Development] lolmensch:
yeah and it flies. faster then sunlight :D try it :D its really really great =)
[G1 Android Development] bigmoew:
Alright, I'll try it again.

Can I suggest to you editing the original post because firerat's thread that you redirect to gives out these instructions for custom partition sizes:
[G1 Android Development] j0c1323:
ok im a noob on this mtd i have a mytouch 32b still need mtd?
[G1 Android Development] CLEV3R:
so according to the directions on fireats page, since i have the eng spl i should be good to wipe all 5, flash the Hacked FR-recovery, reboot, flash the rom, then flash the Fr-boot zip, and then should be good to reboot and run?
[G1 Android Development] xillius200:
Make a file on SD crad called "mtdpartmap.txt" first with "161 4" inside ^^ then yeah do just like you said :D
[G1 Android Development] bigmoew:
How do you like it? It is blazing fast and very responsive, Google Maps locates my position within seconds of opening it. Plus ZOOM IN CAMERA :D (By the way, you mind incorporating that into zx final, or no good because zx is eclair and this is froyo?)
[G1 Android Development] xillius200:
no good because zx is eclair but im sure the original htc camera if I can find the apk not sure if it is for eclair or if it was below includes zoom but ill take a look at that one ^^
[G1 Android Development] AndroidHAX:
A2SD

For some unknown reason I cant seem to get A2SD to work, i have ext4 and on all other roms ive never had this problem, what im wondering is if there is something i need hit or click to tell the phone to install the apps on the sd card?

Thx in advance
[G1 Android Development] CHERNAB0G:
this whole mtd thing is new to me, i know the beta requires "161 4" but can somebody tell me what its set to by default? and what the numbers mean exactly?
[G1 Android Development] xillius200:
161 means that it sets your /system/ to 161mb while the 4 set's your /cache/ to 4mb for default without the text document on sd it is set to 90mb system not sure about cache and without MTD I don't know the values ^^ but lower lol
[G1 Android Development] xillius200:
Right as said the rom shall be out tonight not sure what time but no more waiting lol got rid of MTD still got important stuff on /system/ like messaging, phone, rosie etc. so that should keep fast I didn't want to turn swap on but seems it's the only way to get rid of loading screen on rosie atm so swap 60 is on which fixes the loading ^^ doesn't do too much to the speed so it's ok :D

PS: After ZX Hero Final 3.0 is out and the MIUI ported rom is out if no one has done it then im gonna port skyraider sense rom it's a 2.2 froyo sense with HTC FASTBOOT/Hibernation you know that three second boot thing lol and the rom has been majorly modded so a lot of features ^^
[G1 Android Development] CHERNAB0G:
oooooo, i like it, im keeping my finger on the refresh, cant wait ^_^
[G1 Android Development] xillius200:
lol well it sure is fast ^^ good enough to play angry birds :D yeah dw still got a few tiny bits so at exactly 8 gmt or in 4 hours to say it will be released with a link so come back around then lol don't want you waiting around refreshing xD seems 100% swap at 128mb works best so thats the new swap setting and we got a new king kernel that works perfectly at 614mhz ^^ :D
[G1 Android Development] CHERNAB0G:
4 hours? wow, thats like 3 in the morning here.....alright, i guess im flashing it in the morning then....how does the rom do on lower mhz? i usually try to set it as low as possible without crashing....im currently using complete eclair and i keep it at 122 min. 167 max to save battery, no real performance difference
[G1 Android Development] xillius200:
seems it takes a bit of performance to drive a htc hero rom at least 576mhz or higher lol it is an UV kernel so helps a tiny bit also turned down the timing between steps up on the cpu so that should save a bit of battery also ^^ but if you want some good performance I would suggest highest possible :/ lol think me and zach should of done a legend rom :D there isn't much difference i don't think lol
[G1 Android Development] CHERNAB0G:
hero.....good enough?! hero is the best....how could you not love the ui? haha, but anyway thats fine, i was just curious is all, speaking of the battery, hows the life on beta 2? scale of 1-10?
[G1 Android Development] xillius200:
can't tell you lol better than it was on beta 1 if using the standard kernel with the flash of the newer one not sure need it testing ^^ should be just as good :D
[G1 Android Development] xillius200:
it's up ^^

no damn MTD anymore - may cause performance slow down but think I have evened it out :D especially when setting the phone to 614mhz ^^

WIFI works

Renice

a better kernel to flash in attachments

gps should work - just turn on under location settings

LED's should work on G1

etc.

any small problems doubt there are lol just finished in the course of 10 minutes so did a quick check anyway they will be fixed later on today :D

NEXT RELEASE IS FINAL :D SO NEED AS MUCH FEEDBACK AS POSSIBLE

PS IF YOU GET ANY LAG ON THE HOMESCREEN THAT WOULD BE BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOT FLASHED THE KERNEL AND HAVE NOT SET ABOVE 576MHZ HOWEVER EVEN AT 576MHZ NOTHING ELSE LAGS JUST THAT DAMN ROSIE :D

This rom is very stable ^^ however cause I have not tested battery life on the new kernel the new kernel may be half/half the one that comes with the rom is the old one and should be slightly better than beta 1 ^^

Final will have:

More Speed

Better Battery

More Stability

More Fixes

and

More Stuff lol
[G1 Android Development] macmark88:
woop woop flashing as i type cant wait back for update.........:D

edit: not getting past splash screen. gonna try to use the MTD method like old beta see what happens.

edit2: still not working :( i dont know what the problem is. i wipe all 5 TWICE! flash beta, flash kernel, reboot, cant get past G1 splash screen.....maybe im doing something wrong?
[G1 Android Development] CHERNAB0G:
downloading now, cant wait ^_^

the web browser doesnt work? thats a first....

flashing failed....its currently frozen on the boot screen....

Process ( 2840): Sending signal. PID: 2840 SIG: 9
BootAnimation( 2849): SurfaceFlinger died, exiting...
ServiceManager( 2819): service 'power' died
ServiceManager( 2819): service 'batteryinfo' died
ServiceManager( 2819): service 'usagestats' died
ServiceManager( 2819): service 'telephony.registry' died
ServiceManager( 2819): service 'entropy' died
ServiceManager( 2819): service 'SurfaceFlinger' died
installd( 2827): eof
installd( 2827): failed to read size
installd( 2827): closing connection
Zygote ( 2824): Exit zygote because system server (2840) has terminated
[G1 Android Development] xillius200:
right Revision 1 will be up later seems some of the service files got mixed with a another hero rom I don't know how but seems it did sry for all the trouble if you wait till later revision 1 will be up will only take a few seconds to fix ^^ and wifi can fix that easy too ^^ I must have added my files to a non working ZX rom or something :/ well that's what I get for staying up all night wasn't good when I had to phone home though -_- sry about all this guys :/
[G1 Android Development] lolmensch:
suppose nobody will argue ^^

OFFTOPIC:

we should definitely swap our conversations to the day :D we both should start getting some sleep during the night :D (dad cought me at 4 am and was a bit angry that i was still up sitting in front of notebook and pc :D)
[G1 Android Development] CHERNAB0G:
well, thats a good idea but some of us arent awake at times the others are, like im on the east coast but zillius is in europe, 5 hours of difference
[G1 Android Development] lolmensch:
i mean xillius and i are occasionally talking in gchat until 3 am or somewhat. and then he still has stuff to do for college as well as me :D

with being too tired, there are some nasty errors sneaking in..
[G1 Android Development] Nagoki:
Great rom but I have one problem: My wifi works but it cannot detect any network. Any fix for this?

Edit: Actually nvm it seems to just not be able to detect ad-hoc networks...=(
[G1 Android Development] bonesy:
Desire lockscreen

I have this on my hero and wanted it on my Magic....All i have done is edited the update-script so it will work on our Magics.Enjoy!

Props go to HomerSP as he did it for the hero,i just changed a file to make it work for us
[G1 Android Development] doki_93:
Does it work for the Dream too ?
[G1 Android Development] bonesy:
It should be fine but just in case.....NANDROID!
[G1 Android Development] doki_93:
Servicebug !

can someone with a g1 confirm the servicebug ?

if i call somebody, the screen turns off to save power. if i press a button now, to activate the screen , the g1 says : "Gebiet ohne netzbedeckung" in english: "area without service".

waiting for a fix, this ROM is awesome!! , but with this bug, the g1 is not for daily use.. ^^

EDIT:

Browser crashs if i want to visit google ^^ wtf , a google-phone and i cant visit google.com xD

but not only on google.com , many other sites.

for example facebook.com, wikipedia.com are working ^^

maybe because i use a other language (german) on the phone ?

pls Help

sry for my bad english
[G1 Android Development] Explosive:
I haven't had any of these problems with the ROM...
[G1 Android Development] doki_93:
do you have a MT3G ?

the servicebug just appears on the G1 ^^
[G1 Android Development] bonesy:
The bug also exists in the 32nite sapphire....although downloading swapper from the markket I get an extra 20 seconds before it drops and says out of service area.also I can't send sms it just fails
[G1 Android Development] Explosive:
I have a Tmobile Black G1 and I have not encountered any of the call or browser problems listed
[G1 Android Development] xillius200:
um aint had that im on htc magic lol :/ damn service bug is gonna annoy the heck out of me xD think I may have to change back to the apks and framework used in v4 cause I chnaged them for v4.5 xD and then hopefully go on to try and fix service bug :D um sry I aint added the rom I said I would do last night came home from college went straight to bed im ill :/ so should be up later sometime ^^
[G1 Android Development] bonesy:
I hVe a feeling its more likely to be the mtd remap as it was the same with your 2.2 Rom.maybe it needs the cache to be bigger?

EDIT

:Setcpu seems to be the cause of texts not working? Uninstalled it now they go through fine....Out of curiosity what it the frequency set to when the phone screen turns off?if i had remembered my phone lead id just do a logcat for you of when it drops..
[G1 Android Development] xillius200:
im having a hard time at college anyone know the "LAN Standrads" :confused:
[G1 Android Development] doki_93:
Browser / Servicebug

i reinstalled this ROM now for 3 times !!

i wiped everything ...

at the setup , i selected English (US) , connect to WiFi.

then i treid to start the browser, google.com is loading .. if the progessbar reached about 40% the browser crashs.

why ??! WTF -.-

here is the logcat:
[G1 Android Development] cesarbric:
Check this out it may help:http://www.fols.org/fols_library/archived_webconferences/documents/LANStandards.pdf

Good luck.
[G1 Android Development] yonu:
hey I am hoping some one can help me out i have attempted to install this great rom but i keep getting stuck on g1 screen i am not sure what to do next
[G1 Android Development] cesarbric:
Do you have the latest hboot and radio installed?
[G1 Android Development] yonu:
I don't thing so i have hboot 1.33.205 and radio 2.22.23
[G1 Android Development] doki_93:
you need the new radio:
[G1 Android Development] yonu:
do I need to flash the spl as well or just the radio
[G1 Android Development] doki_93:
both ! follow exactly the tutorial in this thread.
[G1 Android Development] G1ForFun:
Lol you need the new spl too....you sound like you have not read anything yet. If you want to have success and not a brick then I recommend you do your research.

Start here.
[G1 Android Development] yonu:
that that appears to do it as it seams to be booting however I must say that I did read the instructions for this rom list nothing of upgrading the radio or hboot

Thanks,

Yonu
[G1 Android Development] m.usama:
Any one help

is there is any way to get this ROM read Arabic ?????

any one can help me with this issue ???