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[Windows Phone 7 General] xda2_haseeb:
Your right!! No Offense keep up the great work Cotulla but just that we all are very very excited to run this new Revolutionary WP7S on our Best Hardware of the Decade, HTC HD2 :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
No company or manufacturer sells mobile operating systems for consumer licensing.

You can't seriously expect Microsoft to change all that, for one phone that was already ~a year old when they RTM'd WP7.

Supporting HD2s is a waste of cash and resources for them.

No one could have realistically expected them to do it.

The percieved aim doesn't make it NOT piracy, and it is.

It's like saying I robbed a bank to start a charity. Makes no sense.

Also, an HD2 cannot show WP7 running in the best conditions possible becaue even though it meets the minimum specs it is still cripped at the hardware level due to Windows Mobile compatibility issues, and the hardware in the HD2 does not perform as well as that in the HD7 and several other WP7 devices.
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
1) maybe, but since we already have a full port all they have to do is sell a license, or allow the HD2 a key to get into live services, that doesn't take much "resources" for them at all.

2) what are you talking about? the HD7 is virtually the same hardware as the HD2. It's the same chip, same RAM, 4.3" capacitive screen. The only "limitation" is no official upgraded ROM, which Cotulla has circumvented the need for with a virtual RAM loaded version of the OS. It's basically an HD7 that can run WM6.5, Android 2.2, and Ubuntu at the moment.

All MS needs to do to make this fully functional is to give the HD2 users a functional key to get into the cloud so we can access the market, it's not very hard and they could even sell us license fees which a lot of us would be willing to pay.
[Windows Phone 7 General] evolutionqy7:
Its the fact that it doesn't have 3 button layout not the hardware

On my HTC HD2 using tapatalk
[Windows Phone 7 General] Panda_Face:
Three buttons can be overcome, that isn't really the deal breaker. I haven't heard Cotulla or any other devs complain about issues dealing with the amount of buttons
[Windows Phone 7 General] xda2_haseeb:
Thats why HD2 didnt get the official Upgrade, but thats not the reson why we can't or wont be running WP7S on HD2 :P
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
5 buttons instead of 3 is an utterly insane reason not to upgrade the device. It's as stupid as Apple not allowing you to change the background on an iPhone 3G because the 415mhz processor can't handle it? What kind of idiocy is that?

They are just too lazy and too determined to be more closed than even iOS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Panda_Face:
I wouldn't say that. Its all about money. I'd bet if there would be enough of us that wanted to pay for them they'd supply keys that would activate or phones on their cloud.
[Windows Phone 7 General] cuzzo94:
lol they created a complete o.s for a pda who has the same hardware of the hd2.

Five button aren't a problem... if the o.s recognizes them it means that with a few of hours of work or less they could solve this... simply porting it to hd2 isn't convenient for microsoft and htc
[Windows Phone 7 General] jakubmisek:
just noting - HD7 (and all WP7 devices) have 5 buttons, as HD2

- 3 at the bottom + camera + power btn ... it can be nicely mapped onto HD2 buttons.
[Windows Phone 7 General] cuzzo94:
so hd2 has got 7 buttons if you count volume keys xd
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
I think we could easily get enough funds if they were actually willing.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Panda_Face:
I agree, all we need are lots of bodies with HD2's saying they want in. And Cotulla and the other developers out there working on a ROM for it. Having these two things we'll be home free with a fully working WinPho7!
[Windows Phone 7 General] supergreenish:
Microsoft

The one and only reason why Microsoft won't give us WinPh 7 is because us HD2 users are a very important consumers market to them. If they give a WinPh 7 update then we won't go out and buy their new WinPh 7 phones. That is their main purpose of all this. That's why they have all these live locks and stuff too.

They basically wan't us HD2 users to go out and buy a new piece of hardware so Microsoft can have a royalty and license cut of the hardware sales from HTC, LG and so on.

If they gave us a update instead, then it won't show on the sales figures either, it never does.

This is all about Microsoft making money, and nothing else. All the limitations and restrictions of the OS is also very disturbing indeed. They look less and less like Microsoft and more and more like wannabe Applesoft.

I wonder though if it's the right way to go, since Apple fanatics and other users are two different breeds of users and have chosen different paths for a reason. Apple users cause they like getting ripped of annually for no reason whatsoever and us others who like the open software landscape.
[Windows Phone 7 General] emigrating:
Wrong, it's all about the OEMs making money. Historically speaking Microsoft have provided updates for it's Windows Mobile operating system free of charge to their OEM partners. The fact that said partners [in most cases] have chosen not to pass these updates along to their customers is a different story.

The reason there is no update from Windows Mobile to Windows Phone is quite clearly due to WP being a complete reboot of the platform. Personally I applaud them for it. If you're so short on cash that you cannot afford a WP7 handset, sell your existing HD2 on Blocket and order a HD7/Omnia7 from either the UK or Germany. You'll likely end up with some spare change.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
The key is embedded in the hardware. Take some time off writing these types of useless suggestions and actually read the thread or research the subject. There's no way to just give the HD2 a key to access the live services.

Secondly, it will take up loads of resources because companies have to QA and support supported devices. HD2 not being supported frees up that much resources to support real WP7 devices, updates, releases, etc.

All the hardware isn't the same. The reason why Cotulla etc. can get it running WP7 is because they are using Microsoft/HTC Test ROMs from when WP7 was being developed (the HD2 was a test device for them). Those ROMs did come with drivers for the HD2's hardware. An HD7 ROM in an HD2 would fail spectacularly. That is why he's using that ROM instead of a newer HD7 ROM. The ROM in use for the HD2 isn't even the RTM build of WP7. So... What are YOU talking about?

The CPU/SoC is not the ONLY hardware in a smartphone...

Again, you have no clue what you're talking about.

And no manufacturer will distribute a mobile OS like that. It doesn't happen and it won't happen outside of supported updates (not upgrades to separated OSes). Distributing keys like this would do nothing but open up WP7 to pirates porting full-functional systems to unsupported devices (i.e. Android phones with similar/same hardware in them). Microsoft is not going to do that. It's not good business, and it actually hurts the OEMs from the monetary (sell less devices) and support (have to deal with people having issues as the result of installing unsupported software on their phones) side. I'm pretty sure Carriers would not be happy either, since they are the first line of support for devices and want to sell new phones (yes, they're in it for the money, doesn't make your idea any less ridiculous, though).

Going from WM6.5 to WP7 is not an upgrade. It's basically installing another Operating System on the device.

Lastly, there's really no incentive for Microsoft to do this. I know you people think HD2 users are some sort of driving force in the market which is the epitome of loyalty to Windows Mobile. In the end, half of y'all only brought the phone because the hardware was "sweet" and can care less what OS it's running (which is why you guys have no issues loading Android on it).

Microsoft has no incentive to support a device that will do nothing but open their platform to attacks (various meanings implied).
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Correct. People are operating off the assumption that WP7 = WM7. It is not.
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
That's simply not true, it is as easy as allowing a key.

Your hardware argument goes out the window since the port has already been managed.

This would not open up anything to pirates, that is insane. The OS will still be closed off and pretty much the same in every way except we'd get access to live services and the market. The security argument is not valid here since you're not doing anything other than emulating the OS thru a ram loader and getting a valid key to access the market. You're making it seem like we're asking for nuclear launch codes.

the whole "they want us to buy new devices" is partly true, but they also know we'll just go to Android and deny their developers money, so it's actually a loss for them as well.

you may be their unofficial spokesman but just because these ideas are unconventional doesn't make them ridiculous.
[Windows Phone 7 General] cuzzo94:
i think that tere won't be lots of people who will spend 600 euros for a new ppc only after 1 year of hd2.... personally i won't do it.. they could earn more selling the s.o
[Windows Phone 7 General] mirakle:
And I won't buy any wp7 upgrade that would just say: "don't run android or any other os on your hd2" :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
A port which will be blocked from the Marketplace, Zune, and Live Services (like XBox Live) because it lacks the key embedded in the hardware that other WP7 devices have?

Again, read the thread. Educate yourself.

Rest not worth responding to.

From reading your posts in the other thread (your opinion on the "suck factor of WP7") I'm wondering why you're even bothering to post here. You clearly know nothing about the OS and/or how it's designed, and probably have never used it for any factorable period of time. I am not Microsoft's spokesperson, but you are clearly an Android fanboy out of his element.

<- Android forums that way, sir.
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
Of course the last ditch effort of the ignorant and uninformed is to just call someone a name as puerile as "fanboy" (whatever that even means).

Apparently having an educated opinion on here gives you an allergic reaction manifested by your unwillingness to discuss something intelligently and resorting to name-calling and personal attacks.

I even stated that I do like the OS despite of its flaws and my main point is that with little difficulty, Microsoft could find a way to grant access to a fully functional port of the ROM on a device with near identical specs.

Even if your errant assumptions were completely correct, the manner in which you present them and the condescension with which you feel you must communicate only illustrates your poor attempt at compensating for a lack of God only knows. Further communication with you is a waste of my time.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Let's not be hypocritical. Insinuating that I was "Microsoft's spokesperson" was no attempt to make me blush.

Search Works™.*

I've read other threads on the forums.

* No. Microsoft cannot just give HD2 users a key and make it work. They key is embedded in the hardware, and the OS expects to find it there. They're not going to branch off their own OS to support one old phone.

Putting WP7 on an HD2 results in what I can only describe as a crippled feature phone with a nice user interface. Even the porters have said as much (or similar).

Oh, please. Spare me the tears.

Run Android on you HD2 if you want an upgrade. According to you, it's better, anyways!
[Windows Phone 7 General] emigrating:
They could, but what's the incentive for them to do so? I very much doubt that HTC would cannibalise their HD7/Tropy/Mozart/Surround sales. I have even more doubt that HTC would pay for this.

It's not up to Microsoft to release a working WP7 ROM for the HD2 (or any other device). If anything, it's up to the OEM's to lobby Microsoft to provide support for the few (one?) handsets that are actually powerful enough to run WP7.

This of course is something they should have 12 months ago, and not now. Who knows, perhaps they did - HTC did after all tweet a couple times that the HD2 would receive a WP7 upgrade for free. For all we know, and this has been hinted at several times in the past, the HD2 is missing some hardware that WP7 require - and no, I'm not talking about a key but any number of other HW features (one often named component is the hardware scaler which is apparently missing from the HD2).

Also, even if the sole reason for not bringing WP7 to the HD2 is the lack of the required buttons - so be it. I welcome that stance as it does mean users get a more coherent experience.

I really don't understnad the problem some people have here. If you want a Windows Phone 7 device - go out and buy one. It's not like they are super expensive, heck, like lots of people have said in the past; if you already own a HD2 you can for the most part sell this and cover the full cost of any WP7 handset you want.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Non-functioning Marketplace is a serious problem, you'll have to pirate all the apps. It's easy but undesirable for many including myself. But if they don't want to sell apps to me, what can I do (sigh)?

XBox Live? You mean, I won't be able to edit my avatar on the phone, play chess and view my Halo credits? Oh horrors. I've lived without it so far, however.

I like Zune Pass but (another sigh) I'm even using it kind of illegally, I'm not supposed to be able to purchase content here in any way. Again, if they don't want my money...

Hotmail - are you kidding? There's Exchange ActiveSync access to it - mail, contacts, calendar. There's zero value in using it as a Live account.

Will miss Messenger Social integration in the People hub somewhat.

So, what's left? Skydrive? It's useless as is, works only for OneNote which few people use.

Don't see those Live services as make or break for using WP7 really.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
You also won't get updates. Big updates come through Zune software, and since the first update will be a big one, it means you won't get any updates, at all, because I cannot see smaller FOTA updates NOT requiring the first (large) update as a prerequisite.

Putting WP7 on an HD2 is like putting Android 1.1 on an HD2, without the ability to update the firmware to later revisions (that all WP7 devices will get).

I'm willing to say the modding community for WP7 will be about as great as that for iOS devices (i.e. not much at all), so I wouldn't look forward to any ROMs other than the leaked ROM they're porting to the HD2 right now.

No one said anything about Hotmail. We're talking about other live services. Hotmail can be accessed, trivially, through the web browser on any smartphone.

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To the person above. No, Microsoft can't just put a key for the HD2. They would need to fork the part of the OS that checks for the key and create a special build for the HD2 that doesn't check for that. That goes against a major premise of WP7. They don't want specialized versions for various phones. It makes the system itself harder to maintain, and slows down the update process, not to mention requiring more QA and Support.

The HD2 is the only WM6.5 phone that even approaches the requirements to run WP7. They aren't going to do that for one phone. Also, how is Microsoft going to distribute these keys to HD2 users?

The whole point of this system is to tie that key to the phone. It is like your phone's social security number, as far as Microsoft is concerned. It's not accessible by end users, and it is put in a place that is not modifiable by end users. Making an HD2 ROM without this requirement does nothing but open WP7 up to get ported to various devices, because such a ROM would put the necessary objects in places that are user/accessible.

Finally, Microsoft is not going to allow HTC to put an entire WP7 ROM on the web for anyone to download. It's not going to happen, for obvious reasons (one mentioned above). I'm willing to bed that was a major consideration when Microsoft discussed the upgradeability of the HD2 with HTC (and amongs themselves).
[Windows Phone 7 General] OndraSter:
Just clarify things for some people (haven't read few past long posts):

The KEY is on NAND as another partition. This KEY is uploaded and checked on SERVER-SIDE (NOT client side!) when connecting to Live!, Marketplace and so on, so you can't get around that without running your own Live! services server (writing one would take, let's say, 2 years with 10 people? Remember it is all closed so it would have to be all from reverse engineering). This KEY cannot be simply added to NAND, without restructializing whole NAND itself. And this part is beyong user's reach for writing without JTAG I believe (maybe some special loader that would flash beyond some limits could do it). HTC would have to do a LOT of work for this, ending up in $100 prices for upgrade. At least.

WP7 on HD2 will be as stuck as emulator one, except calls will hopefuly work. If even that.
[Windows Phone 7 General] microgeniusz80:
Windows phone inspired video

i know this is out of topic... i just want to share a Windows phone 7 UI inspired video that i made using Adobe After Effects... its about health... WP7 UI is truly a revolution. the swift animation is amazing...

h**p://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX5QeoYrpnE

;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Indeed.

HTC would have to license WP7 from Microsoft for the HD2, as well, and Microsoft is free to simply say no.

Microsoft is not backing down on their requirements, buttons or otherwise. Doing so just creates precedent for other carriers to barrage them with requests to load the OS on other devices that don't meet the chasis requirements, but have the specs to run the system. They don't want to go there.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lemonspeakers:
How did they used the htc HD2 to test live services (which apparently, is SOOO important and critical to WP7 operating system) if the HD2 did not have a PV key? Or was it ever assigned one?
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
1. Live infrastructure to support WP7 wasn't finalized back then.

2. Windows Phone 7 (the Operating System) wasn't complete.

Lots of manufacturers/developers use existing devices to test on. Since the HD2 was rather close to the specs Microsoft wanted, it was much easier to use it as a test device then have the manufacturers built a whole new phone for them to test the OS on earlier in the dev/test cycle.

I'm sure Microsoft tested the system before they started using this partitioning/authentication scheme and then locked the OS down and moved to testing on actual WP7 devices once the development cycle moved past the point where the HD2 ceased to be a viable developer phone (and those phones passed through the FCC, etc.).

Remember, No manufacturer was going to build WP7 phones until Microsoft had the OS nearly finished and the specs/requirements were set in stone. It made perfect since for them to use the HD2 early on. Also, using HD2-level hardware has proven to be effective because the OS performs at iOS4 levels (better in some areas) on this hardware, which means it will be much less expensive for the manufacturers to build WP7 devices compared to Android.

I'm assuming that was a serious question...
[Windows Phone 7 General] asadali:
honestly speaking if there is some major problem in magldr it would take weeks.. like it is taking... cotella should have told his followers... am not angry or like that....2weeks n minor fixes r nt solved...
[Windows Phone 7 General] Chrissicom:
I am being a bit skeptical here... why is the USB cable connected if not for a Remote Desktop fake? I don't believe the HD2 booting WP7 before I don't see it without any cables connected out in the jungle with no other electronic device in WLAN range :p
[Windows Phone 7 General] rr5678:
I have both :p

Wanna possibly buy mine?
[Windows Phone 7 General] pee-wee:
Me too if you wish :D/

@pack21, i like your sig, I'm waiting for it too :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] darkmurder:
Yeah this was the reason why I was saying its up to people to decide if its fake, however this guy seems to have a lot of street cred.
[Windows Phone 7 General] myx4ever:
This is good news. Amazing.

Having WP7 and Android on HD2 is a dream come true.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MADhase:
Now if this is true, and I'm sure it is, I'm happy to own this masterpiece of hardware.

But!! Windows is not Android. Its not open source. It will be much more of work to get the things done, like it was with Android this year.
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
how long before microsoft kills it though
[Windows Phone 7 General] rr5678:
Technically 6, someone got WM6.1 working.

Still awesome. 6 different operating systems that can be installed on one phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tfouto:
this guy made HSPL, which means its possible to you to throw every ROM to your HD2 in a safe way. Cotulla is the king.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Knucklessg1:
First device to QUAD-boot

quadboot you say?

Here you go

Android

WM 6.5

WM7

and last but not least

Ubuntu..
[Windows Phone 7 General] ravibc:
hd2 was originally going to have a wp7 upgrade, until earlier this year, when microsoft stated they would only have phones with 3 button (hd2 has 5) - therefore development must have already begun on the hd2 then ported over onto newer devices by the MS devs...

just remember - it's all possible...
[Windows Phone 7 General] alesscam:
I don't think that Cotulla will ruin his reputation with a fake video ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] lorezz:
i agree....cotulla is not a liar or a time waster....

p.s i'm very interested in the development of porting Meego....
[Windows Phone 7 General] omarrpa:
I'm so gitty!

Thank you Cotulla for giving us hope. :p

Your video execution was too perfect. The buzz has already begun, and I'm sure Microsoft and HTC will be keeping a close eye on this news until Monday :D

Does anyone know how to donate to Cotulla and the Darkforces team? :cool:
[Windows Phone 7 General] pack21:
Cotulla For Nobel Prize Dev!

yes he can!

:D
[Windows Phone 7 General] xpehbam:
WOW!!!! HD2 keep impressing me on daily basis!!! This phone is simply amazing
[Windows Phone 7 General] :
2 things

the way the blue tiles float in has not been accomplished by no hd2 wp7 theme, and cotullas videos show this animation. Also the battery icon has a "?" in it, witch means that is not yet working, just like android in its early stages on hd2.

REAL!
[Windows Phone 7 General] [★]:
Wow, Cotulla your such a babe :cool:

Thanks :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] telas:
very nice!

I also have faith that there will be an official upgrade to windows phone 7 for hd2.
[Windows Phone 7 General] pack21:
These are the hands of Jesus, bless our HD2.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lemonspeakers:
And it now, it makes perfect sense to take the HD2 and hack WP7 directly on it. With a little bit of a sweat, of course.

But without the PVK authentication, how much am I really missing out considering those of us that don't use 1) bing 2) maps 3) zune pass 4) skydrive? I mean, will it totally ruin our WP7 experience given we don't use those features?

It's not like saying wifi wont work, thus IE wont work. Is it?