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[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mskip:
I really have no idea whats going on with Spb Mobile Shell 5.. they initially announced that it would be released in Q3 2010 which has gone now so their timeline is running behind. They are always terrible about announcing updates and new versions so im expecting to wake up one morning and its sitting there waiting lol.

Cant wait to rip it apart and build it back up once it is out though, and the same if/when they release Shell for Android I will definitely be giving that a good going over and giving it the ProPlus treatment :D

Mark.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] hazard99:
Long winded post incoming.

This is a topic that is better left from one user to another.

One of the most amazing things I ever saw was the ability to partition your sdcard from the recovery manager. that factor simply blew me away.

A big reason I have come to love android is because Of People like cyanogen jesusfreke manup drizzy and a few others. People like man up put a lot of time into customizing the theme of roms.

The audiovox smt5600 was my first venture into smart phones and it spoiled me forever.

http://www.wirefly.com/images/phones/audiovox_smt5600_cingular_z7.jpg

Second was the samsung black which i wish I never had. we will skip the iphone cause ick.

Then I got the holy grail of phone which was the htc dream.

I got very use to it but needed a bigger screen.

My first experince with the hd2 was sorta fustrating while I was in love with the phone the ui bugged the crap out of me. I wasnt use to the slider system or the icons scrolling on the front. I also really missed the social widgets. Spb mobile shell never cut it with me. While it was fun to play with It wasnt what I was looking for. I kept trying to find ways to make it much like what I was use to.

So take this with a grain of salt winmo has its plus's its just not for me nor will it ever be. And winmo 7 just looks ugly I hope it functions better than it looks.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] asctony:
I have used SPB apps for years and they never, NEVER, provide timely support. They are always trying to brush someone off and say 'when it is ready, it will be released.' They Never had configuration control or a software library. Some of their products are good, but support really was bad and still is bad. I have used all of their products and some were very good in their time. However, they don't provide support and leave their customers hanging for months. Another example is SPB Mobile Shell V 5.

Now I use Android and no longer need or use SPB.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Ducter:
If you want to try your hand a building your own custom theme, intergrating what you want, where you want it give sweeter home a go. Its in beta currently but works well. Heres a video of it to kinda get an idea..but bear in mind you can build your own.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2NCfpgriOs

cant figure out how to embed lol..
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] daemonfly:
Didn't see anyone else mentioning it, but you don't have to go to market for everything. Just like .cab files for WinMo, you can download .apk files and install them manually.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] eenbox:
So you waste all that time to type out all of this load of crap about what? I'll tell you... about FLAT OUT NOTHING!!!! Go do something important... instead of wasting peeps time... ;
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] lonelykatana:
I dont understand why people would buy a smart phone without a good data plan.

surely thats missing half of the point of smart phones?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ORiZorrie:
I am new to Android. I only have it on my HD2 for several days. I have used Windows Mobile for several years.

Some first impressions:

- Android is very responsive. Fluent interfacing. No struggle with the task manager. However I also find this a downside. I don't have the control of which apps should be running! :-(

- The colours are amazing. Images/Apps really look better on Android.

- Android has a gigantic amount of apps. WiMo too, but it's challenging to find them; OMarket more or less fills that gap, but still .... The Android Market is a lot better. Microsoft totally ****ed up on this part. Apps Apps Apps!!! How could they miss this?

- Setting up android how you like it is not possible. Not enough tweaks for my taste. This is undoubtedly because I come from a WiMo world. I know :p But there should at least be a possibility to configure manually? Like a registry editor in WiMo? There should be a way in Android because it's unix, I just haven't found it yet.

- Android doesn't see my Wifi Router. It's unclear why, it simply doesn't see it. I couldn't find anything regarding this topic on the web. Maybe I just have the wrong router ^.^
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mini_robot:
How did u read my mind?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] shamusl:
If you don't see the point of Android on your WM phone, no one is forcing you to do it. Eventually the Android Market with have a lot of great games on it and apps that WM just doesn't get.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] intruda119:
Android future problem from there consumers will be fragmentation. Android updates needs some kind of strict rules. Average consumer doesnt want to load custom roms and are scared to root. People I work with brag because they got 7 home screens on there new phones but were truly pissed when the Incredible didnt push the froyo update fast enough. Sounds alot like Winmo to me, hopefully they can use Winmo faults to its advantage.

Android is jsut a prettier version of winmo to me anyway.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] booboo773:
I really enjoy both systems. I love the social integration of Android and it just seems smoother overall and the apps are really great with a wide variety to choose from.

At this point what keeps me coming back to WinMo is the full touch. Having to use the keys constantly on Android to go back or exit irritates me for some reason. Not sure I'll ever adjust fully to it where I use Android on a day to day basis but it's nice having the option!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] vtruth08@yahoo.com:
Wat everyone fails to realize is winmo is much older than android so its expected to be more "mature" but even so android is almost going par to par with winmo! Winmo lack developers, android doesn't. Once android gets the age winmo is NOW, which os do u think will be superior? Android is still young.........

P.S. as u can see, even wp7 is not as good as android
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] FriedSushi87:
Lol OP is a troll.

I'm sure everyone has said this already, but you can completely change the appearance by changing the launcher.

It is 100% "unlocked" because all builds are rooted.

Battery management is fine. Especially when you consider it's a hacked device.

You can multi-task. It's quite easy. Try QUICKDESK. You bring up an overlay ontop of whatever your doing to put widets to skip tracks, turn on/off wifi update facebook status ect....

You don't have to go to market for everything, you can download apk's directly to your phone from your pc. Data hag? All newer phones are built around data. If you don't want a phone that uses data then go get a Nokia.

The main advantage of Android is the app market, with a large selection of easy-to-use apps from banking, shopping, e-books, news, social media, games, and everything in between. The app "marketplace" in WinMo 6.5 is pathetic.

I can't believe I just got sucked into replying to a troll thread.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] shuntje:
Ok here goes,

Ill try and get this as clear as possible for me :P. I owned about 4 or 5 windows mobile phones. I have loved the nerd factor and the tweaking from the second i got one, When i got my first sense phone (HTC ELF or toutch in Holland) it was a eye opener for me i realized i did not only want tweaking but i also liked some nice graphics and fun eye candy.

However this eye candy seemed to mess a bit with the phone's stability, i mean i never had to reboot my Qtec S100 3 times a week, However my HTC ELF was my best phone yet even with it's quercs. With lots of tweaks and stuff the phone got better and better. After my elf i tried my hands on a Diamond 2 basecly same **** different phone lots of fun yet also more bugs.

This was the point for me that i started noticing Android and the Iphony at this moment android was a underdeveloped platform looking like a retarded fish frog running on out of date hardware making it feel like playing with poop trough thick gloves (seemingly smooth and silky but still it was crap ><) Lots of rumors about how privacy was the thing Google hated and that big brother was hunting you.

Que the HTC HD2 the moment i saw the release photo's of this monster i was in love. The screen the size the aluminum case the everything it was fast it was shiny it was windows mobile 6.5. the second i turned it on it was pure awesome the speed the pure smoothness it was soo good.

Sadly the honeymoon was short lived. And the first really big issue's started coming up the first week the sense interface was as stable as a camel with ice skates for hooves on thin ice. Hell it was fun to watch but it crash as much as it was working well. At this point the eye candy was just plainly ****ing up the functionality of the phone. At this time i was in a long distance relationship so i was texting like a ************ about 1000 text's in under a month to one person. This was the biggest drawback it felt the sense interface could not handle my text messages it just became slow sluggish and unresponsive in texting mode. for 4 months i tried to live with it. I tried as many custom roms as there where out there i think i flashed my phone more then all my windows mobile phones combined.

At that time i decided to go for the standard windows mobile interface and say goodbye to the sense interface the moment i did there where no more crashes no more reboots needed i ran my phone for over a month with out a reboot.

Que Android 2.2 with sense ported to the HD2, the second it came out and i tried it i was in love. The smoothness the general speed increase THE APS for the love of god THE APS. With all its bugs and all its problems i could do all the things windows mobile 6.5 with sense let me down. It was unstable it was not energy conservative but it was still for me better then Windows mobile 6.5 with sense.

The second windows mobile 7 comes out and i can play with that i will if its as smooth as they make it show hell maybe ill try it for old times sake. But i think that my next serious phone will be a native Android phone.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ams84:
WM and Android, both are fantastic .. and I think that WM7 will be best I have seen Sense 3.0 =) is just incredible!

I hope that we HD2 owner could have WP7 = (
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] lakeman:
Great thread

I have been looking for the need that would be satisfied by a multifunction mobile device for many years.

I still really dont need it but it is great to have

1.a phone that works reliably

2.a camera that takes decent pictures

3.a gps that tells me where to go (pun intended)

4. access to the web and email

5.a nice gps program for my sailing and skiing

6. a secure password app.

the HD2 with winmo worked a treat but i have built on years of experience to find the apps to do this and newer users would be better served by android and the market.

I never liked the restrictions that the iphone gave but did not mind the interface.

An advantage of android is the ability to have flash support and I cannot understand for the life of me why microsoft have not pushed for a widespread solution on their platform.

Even Apple are leaning towards allowing this.

At the moment, like others, I am dual booting till I find appropriate apps on android as I suspect this is the developers OS of the future and I do love to fiddle with OS's even if there is no real need !
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] gelas:
windows mobile being design with STYLUS as it main input .. and stylus is thing of the past ..

I bought HD2, because I thought everything has been wrapped in the nice and capacitive friendly sense UI, but it's not .. am having trouble to hit some of the field in the winmo UI with my finger and being cursing a lot because of this :D ..

switch to android .. problem solved ..

I'm waiting for win 7 though .. for me, more option is better and a good thing for us consumer ..
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] TheProfiteer:
I can see only 1 advantage of WM over Android on the HD2, and thats maybe just because I haven't looked hard enough.

Thats a decent bit torrent tracker on WM, and slightly, and I really mean SLIGHTLY less buggy system operation. Also I have gotten quite fond to the Panorama function in WM Camera. I am going to give cookies home tab 2.0 a try, but really looks like alot Max Sense, and I did not like Max Sense, or HTC Sense, and only used SPB Mobile Shell, which I also did not like, it was ok, but there were alot of things missing, with out a shell extender, which I for some reason could not and still cannot find a decent one for 3.5.5.

My main hate with WM is:

There is not one single good browser. Xfire, or Opera 9.7 or Opera 10 are no good!! 9.7 is clunky, unresponsive, has missing essential functions, and slow. 10 is a little more mainstreamed, and would of been alright with a decent pinch to zoom. I hate having only 2 zoom levels, I mean when I use WM Opera 10 is all I use, but it is so lacking even when compared to Android's stock browser. No current mobile browser honestly has good download or upload support, but I am pretty sure a decent download manager for android is available.

Also no AC3 support in Coreplayer is horrible for me, I can have an MP4 with AC3 and it will play just fine in Windows Media Player,(the most finger UNfriendly player out there) but an .AVI with AC3 in Coreplayer and I only get Video. Thats not very acceptable, since mobile entertainment is kinda big for me.

Rockplayer plays it all.

not to mention Flash, Much more Apps, like streaming radios. All WM has is Slacker, and a your going to die if you use it in the car Pandora app from older phones.

I need to stop, I initially only wanted to at max type a small paragraph, not a whole rant.

I hate WM tho, and I gave it a very very decent chance.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ginjopowder:
i bought HD2 5 months ago just for it huge screen. still i do care winmo since my last htc raphael dies. i do load android on raphael but still i need huge screen.

i never liked android on raphael, in it i love winmo. simple and things are done just the way i should do.

winmo in HD2 is also awesome, but using it in busy time can be time consuming even just typing simple message.

i load android at night and use winmo while at work. i live both world :D

in my areas here, HD2 sales boast up like hell since froyostone gear up the tech-news.

while native android phones adorn billboards :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] deltax:
..if only Android has wifi proxy support
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] CasualStarlord:
Try http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=766569

The fact that it is not included by default is fairly annoying, forme personally it's not an issue, I don't use proxies anywhere, I can understand it's quite horrible for those forced to use proxies...

For this, if I was forced to use proxies, then I would default back to WinMo I guess, thankfully no need for me.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dusdus:
Advantage of Android Over WinMo??

simple answer:

AWESOMENESS!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] aenima64:
Like the TS, I'm also a long time Windows mobile user. Windows mobile definitely has his advantages but after using Android for a while, I like Android more.

If you want to use Android, you SHOULD HAVE a gmail account. You can use it without a gmail account, but then you do not have access to the market place and you are missing the simple synchronization for your agenda, contacts and mail.

Advantages Windows Mobile:

-TomTom: I still like TomTom more then Navigon, Sygic and copilot. I really hope they release an Android version with lane assist soon

-Customizabilty: Although the register of wm is flawed, the end user can really play with it. The interfaces that you can use on WM are completely changed and do not look at all as the default interface. On Android, they are all relatively similar.

-Speed: I use Android as my primary OS for while now, but if I boot back into WM(EnergyRom), I still feel that it's slightly faster.

Advantages Android:

-UI. The default UI and settings are waaaay better then the standard UI that WM has to offer. You can use everything very easily with your fingers. WM lacks that, even with all the interfaces. My girlfriend thinks that the Android interface is easier to understand. She's not a smartphone user but she always had problems with WM.

-Integration of Google services. No need to explain that, mail, agenda and contacts synchronize very easy. You can share you agenda with other people(your partner) which is very convenient.

-Marketplace: yes the marketplace of windows mobile is a fail at the moment. Android marketplace is not bad at all.

-Community: Face it, WM like we know it will not be developed any further. There still is an active community but it will slowly cease to exist... Android is new and has a very active community.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] z33dev33l:
Basically Windows mobile is something you have to be smart enough to customize to make using it worthwhile. Android is more a plug and play kind of thing and hey, if you need to do some customization then just hit the market and download an app for it. It's very simple and definitely has more ease of use and curb appeal than windows, visually its just unattractive :/. Not to mention we have all the app developers that anyone could ever need and the means to use them. WM just cant make use of that 1 ghz processor properly. I try using both OS but I do find myself drifting towards android. Windows mobile can only do the same trick for so long and I was playing the same games on my 6800 as I am on an HD2.... that's just sad.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Showtime7:
Well, Android definitely has its advantages over WinMo.

1. Fully supported marketplace. Makes installing apps easy, makes updating apps easy. WinMo's marketplace, quite frankly, sucks. The best apps you will have to search for on xda or google, usually will need to extract a ZIP or RAR before you finally load the CAB on your device, find it in file explorer to launch and install. I don't want to do all this to install an app on my phone. The point of a smartphone should be making things easy, and Android's marketplace does this.

2. Smoothness, speed, less lockups. In WinMo, processes and apps often stall or lock up completely. I use Dutty's rom which is nearly bug free and still at times it lacks responsiveness. Using Android on my HD2 has lowered these problems significantly. Not that they don't happen on Android, but on the whole it happens less and everything is faster. Again keeping in mind that this is a phone and things should be as convenient as possible, this is a major point of concern.

3. Standards for a consistent, clean look. Android has standards for all applications and the entire system has a consistent look and feel. WinMo, yeah you can customize everything to make it consistent, but I refer once again to convenience. Also everything in WinMo isn't finger friendly. 6.5.x is more so than older versions but still not as consistent as Android.

The first post arguments fail to mention the fact that these are phones and not computers. Most advantages of WinMo aren't worth its performance IMO. The fact is the more "locked down" the OS, seemingly the better it performs (apart from battery life). I will admit battery life sucks, but it sucks on every OS. But with WinMo you can minimize the suckyness of the battery life. Most people like Android because it's less locked down than iPhone but has similar performance and marketplace. WinMo is basically an OS meant to be built upon and you can do pretty much anything with it, but it lacks the speed and fluidity of its rivals, as well as a proper marketplace.

Me personally, I use WinMo right now as my main OS. I can't rely on Android running off my SD card to get me through the day, 6.5.3 is stable and Dutty's a hell of a chef when it comes to WinMo. So I'm ok with it. But as soon as we get stable Android on NAND I'm jumping ship, and again when we get WP7 which seems likely considering Cotulla's tweet earlier today.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] fredulus:
If we have to tell you the advantages then you're already too far gone.

Sent from my HDroid2
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] g0t0:
1) WM market is a strip mall in the ghetto compared to the Android Market.

2) I've seen more apps in WM market costing over $10 than free apps there!

3) Android works smoother on my HD2 running from the SD card than WM6.5. Even with its "bad memory management". IMO

4) Google is very active in supplying programs as well as workshops in developing apps/games for its OS. Microsoft is BEGGING people to work on their WM7.

5) How many phones are even capable of running WM 6.5 OR 7 compared to Android. For that matter, is anyone even trying? Can it be done? anyone CARE?

6) Apps/games for WM 6.5 are like running XP apps/games on my high end computer. Laughable and utterly useless.

I could say more, but i think you get the drift.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] chalid:
I really like android. It feels like an uptodate OS and is pretty much fun fiddling around with. BUT you can say what you want, it just isn't as efficient as WM. This whole swiping crap is really getting on my nerves on a daily basis. I don't want to click or swipe a hundred times to get to my next appointments etc. With WM and CHT I have pretty much all the information right on the frontpage, while I have to swipe a few times with android, to get to the same information, which isn't in one place. This is mainly because of the ridiculously big grid on the homescreens.

But perhaps the most overrated thing with android (and iOS for that matter), is the market. It's just a waste of time. Yeah, you can find all sorts of programs, but how many of those you download and use regularly are just basic apps and widgets, you have got custom to while using WM? Getting a better clock, next appointments, a file explorer, some .doc-file reader and so on ... I can do that with wm pretty much out of the box. Why bother with another OS? And of course there is the data gathering in many of the free apps. No thanks ...

The only big advantage in my eyes is the far better web browsing experience. With android it is much more usable - even in comparison to the good opera 9.7 browser.

The bottom line is: I don't see any compelling reason to switch to android at that point. But having the option to switch is still awesome.