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[G2 and Desire Z General] damien667:
uuuhhh...

I got my G2 yesterday... "df" does not show more than 2GB of total space for all mounted partitions:

$ df

/dev: 189916K total, 0K used, 189916K available (block size 4096)

/system: 413040K total, 190272K used, 222768K available (block size 4096)

/data: 1348920K total, 174036K used, 1174884K available (block size 4096)

/cache: 197144K total, 16740K used, 180404K available (block size 4096)

/devlog: 20336K total, 6564K used, 13772K available (block size 4096)

/mnt/asec: 189916K total, 0K used, 189916K available (block size 4096)

/mnt/sdcard: 7753728K total, 35584K used, 7718144K available (block size 32768)

/mnt/secure/asec: Permission denied

that's 2,359,272KB total space.... NOT 4GB

Also, for the doubters... /proc/partitions:

$ cat /proc/partitions

major minor #blocks name

179 0 2203648 mmcblk0

179 1 500 mmcblk0p1

179 2 64 mmcblk0p2

179 3 4500 mmcblk0p3

179 4 1 mmcblk0p4

179 5 30000 mmcblk0p5

179 6 12500 mmcblk0p6

179 7 2048 mmcblk0p7

179 8 3072 mmcblk0p8

179 9 2048 mmcblk0p9

179 10 1024 mmcblk0p10

179 11 1024 mmcblk0p11

179 12 8751 mmcblk0p12

179 13 3072 mmcblk0p13

179 14 3072 mmcblk0p14

179 15 1024 mmcblk0p15

179 16 8957 mmcblk0p16

179 17 256 mmcblk0p17

179 18 1024 mmcblk0p18

179 19 1024 mmcblk0p19

179 20 1280 mmcblk0p20

179 21 8701 mmcblk0p21

179 22 4096 mmcblk0p22

179 23 256 mmcblk0p23

179 24 256 mmcblk0p24

179 25 425726 mmcblk0p25

179 26 1361920 mmcblk0p26

179 27 209715 mmcblk0p27

179 28 20480 mmcblk0p28

179 32 7761920 mmcblk1

179 33 7757824 mmcblk1p1

and "mount":

$ mount

rootfs / rootfs ro,relatime 0 0

tmpfs /dev tmpfs rw,relatime,mode=755 0 0

devpts /dev/pts devpts rw,relatime,mode=600 0 0

proc /proc proc rw,relatime 0 0

sysfs /sys sysfs rw,relatime 0 0

/dev/block/mmcblk0p25 /system ext3 ro,relatime,errors=continue,data=ordered 0 0

/dev/block/mmcblk0p26 /data ext3 rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,errors=continue,data=ordered 0 0

/dev/block/mmcblk0p27 /cache ext3 rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,errors=continue,data=ordered 0 0

/dev/block/mmcblk0p28 /devlog ext3 rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,errors=continue,data=ordered 0 0

none /acct cgroup rw,relatime,cpuacct 0 0

tmpfs /mnt/asec tmpfs rw,relatime,mode=755,gid=1000 0 0

none /dev/cpuctl cgroup rw,relatime,cpu 0 0

/dev/block/vold/179:33 /mnt/sdcard vfat rw,dirsync,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,uid=1000,gid=1015,fmask=0702,dmask=0702,allow_utime=0020,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,utf8,errors=remount-ro 0 0

/dev/block/vold/179:33 /mnt/secure/asec vfat rw,dirsync,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,uid=1000,gid=1015,fmask=0702,dmask=0702,allow_utime=0020,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,utf8,errors=remount-ro 0 0

tmpfs /mnt/sdcard/.android_secure tmpfs ro,relatime,size=0k,mode=000 0 0
[G2 and Desire Z General] Viper Matrix Wireless:
OH NVM lol but ive used FDISK in Windows several times & I know that if the space is there to create a partition it will & if its a hidden partition for like recovery it will show something for it.
[G2 and Desire Z General] jakijal:
well... i just got my txt msg stating my order is being processed. so if all goes good, i should b gettin mine within a week from 2day. ill let u guys know what the numbers under internal mem show. hopefully its diff from what the people in the previous 23 pages of posts have. lol.
[G2 and Desire Z General] SamsungVibrant:
WOW, hope next time you go buy an 8 cylinder car they trick you and slip in 4cylinders, because we know you certainly don't care about being lied to by these companies.

Can't believe you even made that comment.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Viper Matrix Wireless:
Your name says Samsung Vibrant so I assume you have the device what does it show for ROM available since it has 16GB ROM?
[G2 and Desire Z General] SamsungVibrant:
why be so passive?

You know what, it really annoys me that when people suggest a lawsuit, other people belittle them.

I don't understand why anyone thinks this is acceptable.

Vibrant owners have had a non working GPS for almost 3 months now.

Behold II owners were promised Android update and never got it.

Now you guys get a G2 advertised as 4GB, and T-Mobile is trying to shove this under the table too?

Really? This is not acceptable at all. Whats next, release a phone that doesn't make phone calls for 4 months and promise a fix that never arrives?

On top of that, T-Mobile waives your 2 yr contract over your head, then charges you ETF when you try to get out of your contract because your Vibrant doesn't work or your G2 is missing memorry. So the rebel you are, you say "fine bill me ETF good luck getting a penny from me" then guess what, something called your FICO score goes down the drain once it is sent to collections.

This is criminal, and people just accept it. Don't accept it, if T-Mobile doesn't fix the issue within 1 week, call up lawyers. No more Mr. Nice Guy, been waiting 3 months for a freaking GPS fix.

BTW the consumer shouldn't have to go research online forums and hack into their phones to fix problems.
[G2 and Desire Z General] TheMan42:
Wow, you're fairly clueless
[G2 and Desire Z General] SamsungVibrant:
are you talking about the 12.7GB ?
[G2 and Desire Z General] TheMan42:
Just curious, you are aware the GPS issue exists on other US Galaxy S versions besides the vibrant, right?
[G2 and Desire Z General] Viper Matrix Wireless:
Yes the space of the device when its set back to factory default. So 12.7GB you say?
[G2 and Desire Z General] MCbrian:
This is a good example of the T-Mo attitude towards their customers. :rolleyes:

Thanks for confirming...
[G2 and Desire Z General] TheMan42:
Actually, the app storage is like, 1.8 GB or near there
[G2 and Desire Z General] SamsungVibrant:
Yes, what is your point?
[G2 and Desire Z General] SamsungVibrant:
Advertised as 2gb, but yes probably about 1.8GB.

I still don't get the point.
[G2 and Desire Z General] SamsungVibrant:
Ok just make your point.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Viper Matrix Wireless:
But why just 1.8GB ROM space where is the other 13.8GB?

You said 12.7GB ROM so where is the 2.9GB?
[G2 and Desire Z General] SamsungVibrant:
I dunno it magically disappeared after the munchkins came over.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Viper Matrix Wireless:
If you havent noticed the device is strangely using a Maintenance 2 ROM I would expect that a finished ROM wouldve been rolled out to remove the M2.
[G2 and Desire Z General] KnightMAREcrow:
I'm just being curious, what is a Maintenance 2 ROM
[G2 and Desire Z General] unforgiven512:
I'm just gonna leave this here...

<6>[ 6.137207] mmc0: new high speed MMC card at address 0001
<6>[ 6.139221] mmcblk0: mmc0:0001 SEM04G 2.10 GiB
[G2 and Desire Z General] daijizai:
They are not dumps of the partition. See post #25 for the partition layout.
[G2 and Desire Z General] rr5678:
I'm thinking Desire Z NAND on G2 mainboard.

Or....you accidentally gave the phone the death grip :p
[G2 and Desire Z General] daijizai:
There are no females on the internet ;-) Just fat guys.
[G2 and Desire Z General] daijizai:
This is what happens when you give the $10 / hr reps control over public communications mediums.
[G2 and Desire Z General] daijizai:
Trying to, but I was banned in 2009 for disagreeing with a moderator message. Turns out you cannot correct a moderator on the T-Mobile forum... I am 'In a time out'.
[G2 and Desire Z General] daijizai:
Dude... Lrn2computertechnology

Hallelujah
[G2 and Desire Z General] kronickhigh:
did it ever occur to anyone that maybe your holding it wrong? :D
[G2 and Desire Z General] rr5678:
Aww, come on. I used the death grip joke on the last page :p
[G2 and Desire Z General] kronickhigh:
i read the whole thread from start to finish and I didn't see it... my bad :D
[G2 and Desire Z General] solace.discord:
hhhmm... well, I seem to have all the necessary female parts... and nice padded ass from sitting in front of a computer all day. lol
[G2 and Desire Z General] dynamikd:
I don't know why, but for some reason after reading this I just want to say thank you :-)
[G2 and Desire Z General] Gr8gorilla:
The facts are that we have a ton of evidence to support the conclusion that the phone only has 2GB nand chip. We have 2GB system dump, fdisk, cat /proc/partitions, and the guys that rooted didn't find any magical hidden 2 GB anywhere.

To support the claim that the phone does indeed contain 4GB we have Tmobile USA with a Facebook post saying, "Thank you for asking about the memory in the G2. It does in fact have 4GB of memory....etc blah blah blah."

So basically what I would like to see, instead of "Tmobile said it, so it must be true," is some sort of evidence to support the claim that there is 4GB. Because the only evidence I have seen is to the contrary. Every system output I have seen only shows me 2 GB or less. I have not seen a single one that shows me an output of 3.8GB or 4GB or anything close to it.

So everyone who believes that Tmobile "hid" your memory from you, I ask that you find some evidence to support this. Some hard and concrete system output from your phone that shows the magical hidding 2GB!
[G2 and Desire Z General] larryccf:
got a link to where that root thread is and they examined the internal memory?

tks
[G2 and Desire Z General] lowpeezy:
My reply from HTC...

No really much help either.....

I wish someone would just own up to WTF is goin on.

Anyways,

This is what i got from HTC.

Thank you for your e-mail about the T-Mobile G2 by HTC having low space on the device. However, the device has not officially been released but we are aware of the issue and are currently looking to the issue. We appreciate your patience while are looking into what maybe the problem and work to resolve it.

To send a reply to this message or let me know I have successfully answered your question log in to our ContactUs site using your email address and your ticket number 10USCW40ENA002061.

Sincerely,

Cheryl

HTC
[G2 and Desire Z General] ThaGeNeCySt:
*slaps forehead*

Something is going on, and if I'm being swindled out of something that was advertised to me on spec sheets including on their very own website, then I'm going to be highly upset. HIGHLY upset, just off the principle that I was sold something thats different from what was advertised.
[G2 and Desire Z General] lowpeezy:
I know..Its worse that they admit knowing about the problem and aren't doing anything about it yet just because the phone isn't OFFICIALLY released..its like a big F-U to people that preordered
[G2 and Desire Z General] daijizai:
Thats just plain ROFL...

Anyone else notice that the G2 also cannot access 5 Ghz 802.11n networks? It is degrading my 2.4 Ghz N network to G-Only mode!
[G2 and Desire Z General] dynamikd:
I didn't notice that. Do you have screenshots of this by any chance?
[G2 and Desire Z General] :
The wifi chip in all these phones are not 5ghz capable.
[G2 and Desire Z General] daijizai:
Not really... I suppose I could take a video of HD streaming media over 2.4 GHz N before the G2 Join, and then show the same video chopping and streaming at a lower rate after the join, but that is ancedotal and easily dismissed.

A more objective test is just not something I have the time to think on this weekend. Today I have to go shopping for a family wedding, thomrrow the wedding... That and I am pretty d@mn burnt out and irratated by this issue. I feel abused as a consumer, and I just want to let it go for a few hours, but I cannot seem to step away from the PC.

If you can think of a more obective test I am happy to try it, but my router does not report that it is degraded. I only noticed the effects streaming over WiFi from my NAS.
[G2 and Desire Z General] daijizai:
That is cool, but it should be n capable... It says so in the specs. And while I think it is stupid that it cannot get on 5 GHz wireless N networks - the most common N networks, if it supports 2.4 GHz N then I am happy. The problem is it does not seem to do so... At least not with my network.
[G2 and Desire Z General] solace.discord:
lol you're welcome?

I have noticed a lack of estrogen in the majority of xda and similar forum sites..

but that's fine. girls can suck, guys are better to talk geek with.

back on topic- I really hope this gets straightened out. even if it comes down to a replacement, at least you guys were smart enough to catch it before the actual release date- perhaps TMo was counting on this? not the first time something weird with pre-orders has happened.
[G2 and Desire Z General] JMcMoto:
I called T-Mobile today, Oct 2, to log an official complaint about the low memory issue. Their official position at the moment is still that the memory is there but the software isn't showing it. He did say that they are hearing from a lot of people about this though and everyone seems to be showing the same available memory.

Other than this, my G2 is awesome!
[G2 and Desire Z General] tankmorph:
I didn't see this posted on here yet, but here's T-Mobile's official response:

Thanks for the questions about the G2's memory. Here's the scoop: The G2 includes 4GB of internal memory, of which a portion is accessible for downloading applications from the Android Market and a portion is allocated for both the operating system and preloaded applications. You can also store content and some applications on the included 8GB SD card, which is expandable up to 32GB. Enjoy your weekend!
[G2 and Desire Z General] Gr8gorilla:
as far as wireless N goes I have an N Router and when connected to it I get upwards of 14MBS download and 3-4 upload speeds. Other than I cant seem to think of a way to confirm the N speeds. I know my nexus never got better than 4 or 5 on the home router.
[G2 and Desire Z General] daijizai:
I misread this... or at least a part of it...
[G2 and Desire Z General] v8pwrdz28:
throwing my G2 into the mess here, only 1.2gb free memory on a clean phone. talked to tmobile and they tried to give me the "OS and apps" crap. i emailed HTC and im waiting for their reply. i dont understand how tmobile thinks they can bluff us like this, so 2.8gb are used on the OS and apps huh, well then how can the Desire Z possibly have enough room for its Sense OS and apps, seems like we definetly got screwed.
[G2 and Desire Z General] JoshHart:
Has anyone actually used up this memory yet? Just having 1 gb would be 5 times more than my Nexus has so I'm not too worried about it, I installed everything I need and still have over 1 gb free space. I expected about 1/2 of the 4gb to be used by the operating system and preinstalled apps so I guess I wasn't really disappointed from the start like some people may be, but I guess my point is that it's more than enough for what it is used for, you're not going to store music, pictures or movies locally anyways.
[G2 and Desire Z General] v8pwrdz28:
if it is truely 4gb and all that space is used or reserved on the phone then im fine with it, 1.2gb is more than enough for apps. BUT if we got the Desire Zs 1.5gb memory, then im with the other people worrying about having enough room for future android updates(Gingerbread etc)
[G2 and Desire Z General] mcp2009:
I installed all my old apps and I got 750mb left (I have a lot of apps). It's enough memory for me but I'm just a little mad that they advertise 4gb. They should of put a * and put (*entire 4gb not user accessible). But I think it was a manufacturing screwup. I just wanna go to the store and see if their hinge is like mine thats my main concern
[G2 and Desire Z General] :
I'm pretty sure it's a mfg problem that Tmobile isn't aware of yet. So really it's HTCs problem to figure out where **** went wrong.

At the end of the day at worst they'll have to replace the first shipments of units, and they'll just continue rolling out the fixed handsets.
[G2 and Desire Z General] JoshHart:
It's way more than 1.5, I had just under 2 gb when I first turned on my phone, there's a ton of pre-installed apps on this thing too, I think it has every google app there is and like 5 of t-mobiles.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Gr8gorilla:
Not the point, really. If you bought an 8Gig Micro Sd on ebay, and later found out that it is only 4GB, would you file a complaint against the seller or would you say that since you haven't filled it up yet its fine?

This is exactly the same. They told you that you were getting 4 and sold you 2.
[G2 and Desire Z General] v8pwrdz28:
We need someone with a Desire Z to post a screenshot of what their free memory is.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Gr8gorilla:
not way more than 1.5. The biggest app on there is google earth. It is what 9mb? and there are about 15 other apps on there? Lets say each app was 10 MB, that is 160mb? How on earth does that account for the missing space?
[G2 and Desire Z General] mcp2009:
that's what I'm saying, but then again sense takes up more space right?
[G2 and Desire Z General] JanetPanic:
Wow, this thread moved fast.

I am of the mind that it is fine that there is a screw up. I do want my phone to be fixed/replaced though. It is not because I think I will use up 1.3 GB of internal space but because I will very likely sell the G2 inside the next 9 months and if I do so I want it to be a "full version" device. 2 GB version of a phone that gets fixed to 4 GB will not be worth as much.

The preponderance of evidence is that the device has only 2GB of accessible space.

- If there was space being used by pre-installed apps then this space would show up in /proc/partitions. If it is not listed then nothing running on top of the kernel can access it. This makes it pretty useless or pre-installed apps now doesn't it?

- While I have not tried it myself there have been claims that fdisk shows only 2GB. fdisk is how you partition a block device, whoever said that unpartitioned space does not show up in there was mistaken.

- /proc/partitions lists the base block device (mmcblk0) there is no magical storage device higher in the hierarchy. There may be another, unlisted, block device but again if it is not listed then it is not accessible.

So the answers from T-Mo to date on public forums are kneejerk reactions in all probability. I seriously doubt there was a malicious intent or a cover up. It is far more likely that the answers were put up with ignorance than with malice. It is also possible that T-Mobile is telling the truth. If this is the case then they need to explain in better detail where that space went since it is far in excess of the space that previous ROMs with close to identical functionality are using.

On the HTC side does anyone really think they said "we'll put in 2GB and no one will notice" on a phone that will primarily be bought by hard core geeks in the first batch? Come on, not in my wildest dreams do I think HTC is so stupid that they thought out of the 10K (purely random number) geeks who bought the G2 none of them would notice. It is possible that there are 2, 2 GB block devices and the kernel is only registering one. This would be an error but one correctable in software. I would be curious to know if the desire lists the 16GB all as a single block device.

And a little late but if you bought a car which advertised and listed on the specs 250HP but actually had 125HP then you would still be paying insurance on the 250HP spec. You get fuel economy, sure, but that is not what you asked for nor is it what you expected to get. (In the case of pickups though it would be catastrophic since that would directly impact towing capacity.)
[G2 and Desire Z General] v8pwrdz28:
u would imagine so, so how can 1.5gb on the desire z be enough if ours uses up 2.8gb...
[G2 and Desire Z General] JoshHart:
Alright, looks like I just got schooled, I installed internal storage widget and it shows that the internal memory made available to users is only 1.317 gb so either they set a large portion aside to play it safe for future updates or there is a bug.
[G2 and Desire Z General] v8pwrdz28:
from over on the T-mobile forums "I don't think T-Mobile themselves know what is going on with the memory situation. I think HTC is trying to keep the phone locked down with a new partition scheme that is keeping a mirror of the original OS. It keeps the phone from being rooted easily without bricking the phone. What happens is someone roots the phone puts a new image on the phone the phone reboots, looks at the new image and compares it to the stock image and restores the stock image. It seems like over at XDA they are trying to get write access to the nand in the phone and it's blocked."

but then why tell us that the phone has 4gb of storage ya know, just tell us it has 2gb. so if that is true about the dual partions to keep us from flashing roms, does this mean the desire Z with only 1.5gb memory will not have this feature, OR perhaps did HTC advertise the actual available memory correctly?
[G2 and Desire Z General] ThaGeNeCySt:
If that's the case then HTC needs to say so instead of saying "we're looking into the issue"
[G2 and Desire Z General] daijizai:
Just got off an hour long call with Joaquim S. (ID 0956711) In Colorado who insists that HTC's product manager provided a memo to T-Mobile stating that, essentially, the system is partitioned into 1GB for the OS, 1GB for OTA updates, and 2GB user addressable. I explained that I would like a copy of this information faxed to me to show that T-Mobile stands behind the assertion. He refused, and said he could not give out internal documents. I asked who the contact was at HTC that provided this information, he said he did not know. I explained the technical basis for my claims, and asked him to provide technical details to support his claim. He said he didn't have any. Essentially he is asking me to take at face value that the phone somehow has 4GB without proof and based on hearsay. I explained that this is inadequate.

I am so pissed with T-Mobile right now. They use to seem so poliet and efficient, but he even refused to transfer me to a manager stating instead that there was no need to waste my time on that because the manager would say the same thing. He then proceeded to waste my time for a total of 55 minutes asserting the same thing and that he will not transfer me on a problem that he is capable of resolving.

WOW. T-Mobile better make this right. Between my calls to you, your calls to me, and my calls to HTC I have spent 5 hours on this since I received the phone on Thursday. Am I going to get those minutes back? Nope...
[G2 and Desire Z General] RaffieKol:
Has anyone thought of filing a complaint with the www.bbb.org (better business bureau)

I have a very good feeling tmobile or HTC knows what is going on but they are keeping us in the dark.

They made the phone and programmed it, so if they programmed something to the unseen memory they would know??

If we file a complaint with www.bbb.org tmobile will have to provide a answer or replacement. THE BBB IS NO JOKE

Peace
[G2 and Desire Z General] jigabite:
I'm assuming this is the dmesg output? Has anybody really investigated this part # yet? Googling 'SEM04G' brings up this document:

http://www.omapworld.com/iNAND_e_MMC_4_41_IF_data_sheet_v1_0[1].pdf

Page 20 says SEM04G is a 4GB part. I'm sure nobody has pulled the thing apart yet but it also says that SEM02G is the 2GB part... Curious
[G2 and Desire Z General] v8pwrdz28:
thats a lil reassuring at least. maybe Tmobile is telling the truth.
[G2 and Desire Z General] gjvah:
You guys need to get over yourselves. Just enjoy the damn phone and stop whining and b*tching like little girls. The goddamn thing is not even officially out yet, and you guys are already conspiring a revolution against T-Mobile and HTC. Go out with friends and smell the flowers or smth.
[G2 and Desire Z General] dynamikd:
Called Tmobile and they said that this is a known issue and most likely will be resolved with an ota update!
[G2 and Desire Z General] RaffieKol:
You might have had your mom and dad buy you the phone and the only thing you probably care about is adobe flash and being able to watch porn

I paid $300+ for the phone....

Can I send tmobile a $5 dollar bill and say its $100.00 and not to ***** about it???

I want to know what is going on with the damm phone I dont want to be paying $300.00+ for a phone which specs almost match the My Touch Slide....