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[Fascinate Android Development] ballaholyk84:
Awesome writeup. Gonna be great for the people with the Google questions. Also I am assuming the frozen apparently will stay frozen even after rebooting?
[Fascinate Android Development] GoogleAndroid:
Yes, they will stay frozen. Thank you.
[Fascinate Android Development] s44:
Sorry, Backup and Hotspot being essential is a myth.
[Fascinate Android Development] GoogleAndroid:
Proof? Everything I've read says removing them has caused lots of problems.
[Fascinate Android Development] shauder:
ive frozen hotspot before
[Fascinate Android Development] s44:
Proof? Uh, my perfectly functional Fascinate from which I deleted those apps as soon as I rooted?

It may have been an issue on other phones, but there's no established link here.
[Fascinate Android Development] GoogleAndroid:
I'm not sure. I'll edit my OP and say it's very risky, since you are the only person I have heard of that it doesn't cause issues.
[Fascinate Android Development] Coreyc1123:
uh oh

I just deleted all these apps. Am i in trouble when froyo comes out?
[Fascinate Android Development] TheBadBen:
It looks like wireless tether doesn't work for me, and I did delete 3G Mobile Hotspot, so maybe it makes sense to go slow at this before jumping in. I'm not having any problem connecting to wi-fi, though, so if that's all you want then maybe you'll be fine. I use backup assistant so I can't comment on what could happen if that's deleted.

Freezing/hiding apps seems to be the best way to make sure you aren't looking for backup apps somewhere...
[Fascinate Android Development] GoogleAndroid:
Yes it is. That's why I recommend it. I also find it easier than moving them to the SD card with root explorer like a lot of people are doing, but to each his own.

EDIT: I tried Wireless Tether, and it started just fine. I didn't try connecting anything to it, but I know it at least starts. I can't tell if they blocked tethering or if deleting Mobile Hotspot affects it.
[Fascinate Android Development] GoogleAndroid:
You'll have to use the system dump and restore them from that.
[Fascinate Android Development] TheBadBen:
Wireless Tether started fine for me also, but my ipod touch couldn't see it at all an inch away. Maybe there's something else that we're missing? Can you try and connect to something and let me know if it works for you?
[Fascinate Android Development] GoogleAndroid:
My iPod wouldn't connect either. I would try my computer, but I don't have a wireless card anymore since I moved the router up here and am wired into it. There's gotta be something to do. I played around with the channels and nothing worked.
[Fascinate Android Development] GoogleAndroid:
Here's the system dump: http://forum.androidcentral.com/fascinate-roms-hacks/32839-fascinate-system-dump.html
[Fascinate Android Development] DeezNotes:
I have removed [moved] both Backup Assistant and Mobile 3G Hotspot and I have no issues with Wireless Tether. Before assuming Mobile 3G Hotspot is the cause of your issues, try verifying Wireless Tether works for you beforehand. There was a thread dedicated to Wireless Tether not working by a senior member only to find out it was user error.

There's more than one way to move/remove apps and I'm sure we all can confirm deleting .apk files is NOT the best option. I've used Titanium Backup to freeze apps which I could not locate the .apk for, but I prefer moving the .apk files. This is because I've been in a force-close loop after moving a file and the only solution would be to move the file back and reboot the phone. This can be done via ADB. If you freeze an app and you get in a force-close loop you may not be able to use Titanium Backup's GUI to un-freeze an app.

I move to the SD card to free up space on the phone, which comes in handy if you're replacing stock apps from other places. Plus, it gives me an easy view of what to move to/from the /system/app folder if I need to put apps back when there is an OTA (or if someone asks me "what apps did you remove?")

Move/rename/freeze... pick your poison, but please don't delete.
[Fascinate Android Development] GoogleAndroid:
Yup. If you delete, you have to handle the process of moving apps from the system dump. I don't think a factory reset would work, since the apps aren't there and it has nowhere to restore them from.
[Fascinate Android Development] mackeydesigns:
Just installed CMW and removed bloatware from these instructions, everything went great. Appreciate your time to do the write up.

I'm still interested in doing the lag fix, I did notice a difference with my phone. I ran it one week with it, and one week without and I've noticed a difference. Anyone else running it with all this setup?
[Fascinate Android Development] GoogleAndroid:
The lag fix seems to have very mixed results. Some people say it has caused lag, some have trouble un-doing it, some notice no difference. So I haven't taken the risk. I also need the internal memory it takes away. I would consider it if it would fix those occasional stutters and freezes, and actually make a difference.
[Fascinate Android Development] GoogleAndroid:
You pushed me to do this, so I did, and I do notice a difference. Those occasional stutters don't happen.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mindtweaked:
For the past day I haven't been receiving any texts. I've tried 3 different friends phones on 2 different networks and 1 on the same network. I can send texts fine though.

A couple hours ago I tried calling my phone from a land line and noticed it goes straight to voicemail. I can make calls fine as well.

All the settings look fine on the phone, is there any special codes to enter to further check things?

Bells customer service is gone 'til Monday....
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AllGamer:
did you unlock the phone, or using any TurboSIM card unlocker?
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mindtweaked:
Stock rom, not rooted or done anything like that. The only new apps I can remember using yesterday is the bluetooth module for astro file manager and trying the bump app with an iphone. Does that work by the way, android/iphone bump app? It wasn't for me.

Also, a reset to stock from the privacy menu hasn't helped.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AllGamer:
yes i have bump installed, but so far not seen any iphony user with bump to try it on

are you able to receive phone calls if you put your sim card on another phone?
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mindtweaked:
Finally got the number for data support from one of the local stores and they were able to fix the issue which was something on their end.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AllGamer:
Yup, that just sounded too weird too be a phone issue
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nemethb:
Bell has been having outage problems. It's probably due to the surge of new users they're getting because of the SGS. I called them up and they reset it for me or something.
[Vibrant General] geocepe:
I know everyone is all in a hurry to get the OTA for FROYO. I also would like FROYO but enough is enough with all the posts. The fact is most of the people on this forum wont get the OTA anyway because they will either wait for a build from eugene or bionix or they cant get OTA because they are not running stock firmware anyway. Just be patient. I would rather wait till a good version of FROYO without a ton of bugs comes out than have them push some crap FROYO on us and then have to have 10 updates to make it work correct. This is just my thought Flame me if you want. Me personally Im waiting for eugene or bionix to come out with the versions they will mod anyway. So do us all a favor and stop with the I heard through my uncles cousin twice removed about FROYO.

Thanks
[Vibrant General] watcher64:
So you make yet another thread bringing up the subject ....

One more thread to clog up the works ...
[Vibrant General] spiz516:
Thank you for starting another thread on this. :rolleyes:
[Vibrant General] SamVib:
Because making one topic about the 1000 of the others will make everybody stop begging for froyo.
[Vibrant General] b0ricuaguerrero:
10 characters
[Vibrant General] demo23019:
here let me fix that
[Vibrant General] sroach23:
when is gingerbread coming?
[Vibrant General] rudeguy:
screw Gingerbread.

I'm waiting on 3.1 (edible underwear)
[Vibrant General] watcher64:
screw that, I am waiting on 4.0 (Pot Brownie)
[Vibrant General] oka1:
me I am waiting for ver5.0 little red homey hood
[Vibrant General] memorito:
That don't really sound like the kind of dessert most people eat...
[Epic 4G Android Development] DevinXtreme:
[Update Log]

*10-5-2010 - Added sections for Odin and adb/Android SDK. Updated sections, fixed typos and mistakes, reorganized a little. Fixed links.
[Epic 4G Android Development] Lonewuhf:
None of those links are working for me. I get sent to a page with a message saying "Sorry, we can't find "xn--http-fb7a". We suggest that you check the spelling of the web address or search above."
[Epic 4G Android Development] bryanfritz1:
Thanks a bunch, this was a very useful tutorial on the basics and for me helped out greatly with understanding where and what you need to do to be getting the best out of these awsome phones!

blasted across the interwebs by the Epic 4g!
[Epic 4G Android Development] DevinXtreme:
Weird. I just went through and checked them all and everything is working on my end. All the URLs are correct. Maybe try clearing your browser cache?
[Epic 4G Android Development] dwyw42:
None of them work for me either. The urls all start: http://xn--http-fb7a//xdaforums.com/
[Epic 4G Android Development] DevinXtreme:
That is so weird... It's showing up like that for me now, too. I've checked the source, and it stills is showing the right links in my post.... It's something on XDA's end right now... I'll look into getting it to work a little later.
[Epic 4G Android Development] ravizzle:
Good work! This should be a sticky!

Sent from my Epic 4G
[Epic 4G Android Development] amosher13:
yeah same here, i just cleared everything before "forum" from address bar and page loaded.
[Epic 4G Android Development] MysteryEmotionz:
You might wanna ad that you need done battery life when flashing a kernal. If your phone dies during the flash your phone will be a useless brick.

You might also wanna adds the odin steps for flashing back to stock
[Epic 4G Android Development] DevinXtreme:
Unless whatever you're flashing messes with the recovery partition, an incomplete flash shouldn't cause a brick. As long as you can boot to recovery or download mode, you can save your phone.

And I'm working on an Odin section for my next update to this. A lot of things will be added next time I update the main post.
[Epic 4G Android Development] Spunkzz:
i've got the first part of your guide done by completing noobnl's method but i cant get koush's method down. you say to hold down the volume, camera, and power buttons to boot into clockwork recovery, but it seems like it goes into the stock samsung recovery? how do i get the clockwork recovery?
[Epic 4G Android Development] dsummey30:
The link for noobnl's easy method always takes me to Koush page not noobnl's might want to check your links there.

but very great idea and should be sticked on the front page.
[Epic 4G Android Development] dannyzen:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=770388

for the proper thread
[Epic 4G Android Development] bitbang3r:
^^^ I have the same problem he did: I followed the instructions to root, but when I tried to restart with the "Epic 3-finger salute", it went into what appeared to be the stock bootloader, not clockwork.
[Epic 4G Android Development] Vanquish46:
Same with me. I selected "Flash ClockworkMod Recovery" and after a number of tries it was successful. Yet when I boot with the 3 buttons it still goes into the stock recovery. :confused:
[Epic 4G Android Development] MysteryEmotionz:
you might wanna add how to set adb
[Epic 4G Android Development] DevinXtreme:
I think I know the issue here. It's that /system/ isn't being mounted as rw. Run the jokeyrim root method and then go into adb and type this:

adb shell
su
remount rw
exit
exit

If you don't know how to use adb, just wait until a little later tomorrow. I've got a whole section about it to add to the guide, but I don't have it completed yet (did some work on my laptop in the middle of writing it, forgot to reconnect my WLAN card and was baffled for most of the day...)

Sorry about that. Should be fixed now. Thanks for pointing it out :)

All in the works :) I expect to have the guide updated early tomorrow, if not tonight.
[Epic 4G Android Development] DevinXtreme:
Updated the guide with a lot of new info. Two new sections for adb/the SDK and Odin as well as a general update to the whole thing. Some of the sections changed (HARD and EASY mode are now both required, unfortunately...) and some things got a little moved around.

Also, all of the links should now work correctly. Something about the way XDA was handling quotations... So I just stripped them all from the forum code stuff...

If anyone has any experience with Mac, I could use your help for the adb/SDK section, and I could also use some help from someone more experience with Odin for that part.

Thanks, guys! I really hope this guide helps some people.
[Epic 4G Android Development] dsummey30:
not to be a pain Devin but the two links for noobnl's programs goes to the same page for the easy and hard method don't know if that's right or not but wanted to point it out to you.

Thanks again for the great guide.

David
[Epic 4G Android Development] DevinXtreme:
Not being a pain at all :)

Should be fixed, thanks for pointing it out.
[Epic 4G Android Development] Vanquish46:
Just wanted to pop in and thank you for making this. I used it to flash my phone the other day (before you updated it). It was a little tricky because all the links weren't correct, but still helpful nonetheless. I looked over what you fixed and I am sure this will be invaluable new Android users such as myself.
[Epic 4G Android Development] italyhot21:
Thanks man !!! even tho i have a lot experience with rooting since G1, NEXUS ONE and EVO 4g and also developed feels mods, this guide helped me alot could be a lil trick changing devices. i always been with HTC until now that i got the EPIC. thank so much keep up good work... ;)
[Epic 4G Android Development] italyhot21:
I did all the steps i have root the kernel and recovery

but when i install a new rom i lose root? its driving me nuts thank you for your help
[Epic 4G Android Development] ltcortez47:
After doing the adb shell stuff and run the bat im getting this

one click installer and Clockworkmod Recovery v2.5.1.0 made by noobnl, skeeters

lint, and koush

Press any key to continue . . .

remove stock recovery patcher

mount: Operation not permitted

rm failed for /system/etc/install-recovery.sh, Permission denied

rm failed for /system/recovery-from-boot.p, Permission denied

copy kernel and flasher

2071 KB/s (313888 bytes in 0.148s)

4550 KB/s (5820868 bytes in 1.249s)

flashing kernel

RedBend Update Agent 6,1,14,1

FOTA : Make Block Device Nodes

lcd_init(498): start!

lcd_init(507): fb0 open success

lcd_init(514): width = 480, height = 800

open device file: Permission denied

bmldevice_get_size: bmldevice_open failed!src: /sdcard/zImage

dst: /dev/block/bml8 partition size: 0x0

part_size: 0x0

reboot: Operation not permitted

wait 60 second
[Epic 4G Android Development] DevinXtreme:
What ROM are you trying to install, or is it all of them?

Hmmm... Did you try to remount as rw before running that script? You're getting a lot of failures as if it is unable to run as root (all of your operation not permitted and permission denied errors). You did the root method first, right?
[Epic 4G Android Development] sndtubes:
Halp! I'm trying to figure out if I'm rooted ok. Clockwork mod works fine. I installed a new ROM, it seems to work fine. However when I run

when in adbshell I tried

remount rw

I get:

[: not found

[: not found

for mounting /system as read/write or read-only

usage: remount rw -or- remount ro

I have no idea of what this means, but I suspect it means I don't have root.

Also, I tried:

su

whoami

I get

whoami: not found

I used to get:

root

So, I don't know if I'm still rooted. ROM Manager seems to run. Other apps that require root seem to run.

When I run the first rooting method, I get "device not found" errors. Any ideas??
[Epic 4G Android Development] williamsca7:
Make sure your looking at your phone, superuser will ask you permission to for the process to run as root..Mine was under my desk so I missed it the first time too.
[Epic 4G Android Development] jojo08:
i'm a newb at this so thanks for the guide! however under the root options i don't see a link to this thread: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=800483

is there a preferred way to root the phone? since some other methods are temporary?
[Epic 4G Android Development] sndtubes:
when attempting to "re-root" the phone, is it necessary to flash the kernal and rom back to stock, first? I'm really confused. I am having a hard telling if my phone is really rooted or not but I was able to install a new kernal and ROM, so it would seem it was rooted, but a whoami command in adb shell says no.
[Epic 4G Android Development] haas599:
Is it necessary to do a wipe/factory reset before flashing just a kernel?
[Epic 4G Android Development] ERHSAII:
Thanks!

Thanks for the time it took to write this. Its an excellent resource!
[Epic 4G Android Development] DevinXtreme:
From what I can tell, whoami is having issues with some root. If you can use apps that require root (SetCPU, Titanium Backup, et cetera) then you are fine. If you have Clockwork Recovery still, even if you lost root, you can get it back.

The methods I posted in the root area are the ones that I prefer. They are permanent (as long as you don't flash a nonrooted kernel, but even that is fixable as long as you have Clockwork Recovery still). I mention opening up the .bat and running all of the commands manually. That's essentially what that thread is outlining. I might try to work a link in to it to explain that.

Nope. Just make sure the ROM you are using is compatible with the kernel you are flashing.

You're welcome!! I'm glad you found it useful :)
[Epic 4G Android Development] Firon:
No, not normally.
[Epic 4G Android Development] deciple:
Whenever I try to wipe data to recover old roms, I get a bunch of force closes on boot, so what am I doing wrong? How do I restore a back up?

Sent from my spot on the earth
[Epic 4G Android Development] shabbypenguin:
hey devin nice little guide here, just to let you know so you can pass on the knowledge. there is a one click script that will install root and clockwork mod

vvvv
[Epic 4G Android Development] DevinXtreme:
How are you trying to restore the backup? From the "Backup/Restore" menu?
[Epic 4G Android Development] deciple:
Yeah, in cwm, I wipe all data then restore back up and I get repeated force closes. I always have to jjust start over.

Sent from my spot on the earth
[Epic 4G Android Development] MysteryEmotionz:
Where your back ups themed our did they have the battery percentage mod?
[Epic 4G Android Development] jojo08:
Ok so I've completed the root as directed. I'd like to remove some of the sprint bloatware put on the wireless tether and the mixup kernal, what is best way to do all that? Thanks for all the help!
[Epic 4G Android Development] deciple:
The last one I tried was themed, one I restored data and when it rebooted it didn't take so I did a data wipe and tried to restore the andromeda rom to no avail.

This roms working pretty good though. I was just hoping I could restore without having to start from scratch, cause backing up the roms seem useless.

Oh, yeah, I'm running the mix up kernel with universal magic rom. Was running the epic experience rom with andromeda kernel and the black class theme which ran good till I tried to load some data but I backed up before I did that and when I seen that wasn't gonna work I tried to wipe and restore the working rom but it didn't work.

Sorry about the long post guys.

Sent from my spot on the earth
[Epic 4G Android Development] DevinXtreme:
You don't wipe before restoring. You just restore. Clockwork Recovery is strange compared to what I'm used to (Amon_RA) in that it doesn't restore your kernel as well. So try and restore without a wipe and tell me how that goes. It always seems to work for me, but I've only tried a couple of times and never on Andromeda.

To remove the Sprint bloat, I recommend using Titanium Backup from the market. Just go to the "Backup/Restore" tab, find the app you want gone, tap it, then tap "Uninstall".

To get Wireless Tether, I hear the only one that works with the Epic is the pre9 build from the developer's website and it only works on ad-hoc mode, so go there and give it a download.

For the kernel, download it and put it on the root of your SD card. Make sure your ROM is compatible with MixUp then boot into Clockwork Recovery. Back up using the backup/restore functions of Clockwork, then clear your CACHE ONLY, then go to "Install Zip from SD Card" then "Choose zip" (sorry, these aren't exact... It's become second nature for me, so I don't just know the actual names of the menu items, but this should get you there) and select the kernel you downloaded and flash. It takes a minute to install, then just reboot. It'll take a little while longer to boot, too, but should work great.
[Epic 4G Android Development] deciple:
Alright, I'll give that a try. Thanks!

Sent from my spot on the earth
[Epic 4G Android Development] Firon:
I'd say the one click root is a lot less janky now since 2.2.8, now that it isn't doing some of the crazy stuff that was needed on the Moment (but not needed on our phone). Your system won't be mounted ro anymore and it won't screw over your su every time you reboot.

Still, a perma-rooted kernel is probably still better.
[Epic 4G Android Development] jojo08:
Wow thanks for quick reply. I installed the titanium backup and did some uninstalls, will I need to reinstal for ota update?

How does that wireless tether compare to barnacle?

Lastly will the mixup kernal work with stock rom?

edit: sorry 1 more question, i uninstalled media hub but i still see drm programs under titanium, can i install all these w/o having any issues?
[Epic 4G Android Development] DevinXtreme:
Compared to a rooted kernel, I'd say it's still kind of janky. It's like difference between an actual DIMM stick of RAM and that stupid Windows ReadyBoost stuff. Sure, ReadyBoost works and can *kind of* speed your computer up, but actually building the stuff into your box is much better.

I didn't have to install all the bloatware for the DI18 update. You might just have to wait a little bit for a dev to release a version for us, but it was up the very next day, so it's not bad.

I've never used Barnacle and I rarely tether period, but my understanding is that Wireless Tether is the best.

MixUp will work with stock.

For the DRM software, I had issues when I straight-up uninstalled, so I went with a different method. Get an Startup Auditor (or something similar) and stop the service from starting when the phone boots. That way you have the files in case you ever need them for anything, but they won't start on their own.
[Epic 4G Android Development] sndtubes:
Thanks, Devin. I wiped the whole thing with Odin, reinstalled stock ROM and DI18. Then I flashed Joeykrim 2.2.9 and then installed Clockwork Recovery per the instructions. I then had root access. In adb shell, a whoami command returned "root". Cool. I then installed the new Baked Snack ROM which installed fine and seems to work fine. However, it looks like I've lost some level of root access. Any command typed into terminal or adb shell returns "permission denied". However, the apps that require root access so far seem to work and Clockwork Recovery seems to work. You mention that I can get back root with Clockwork recovery?? How would I go about doing this? Thanks so much for all of your excellent help. Despite the frustration, this is kind of fun....