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[G2 and Desire Z General] schriss:
I'm very happy with my Desire Z. Screen is great, phone thickness much less than TP2, at the cost of keyboard.

Keyboard is still pain to use I type very slowly slower than typing on touch screen, but hopefully I'll get used to it. Need to exercise everyday :-(

Hinge - I don't care, will never use it upside down.

If I don't get used to the keyboard I can always get Desire Z LOL

HTC Sence is just perfect, not going back to other launchers.

What's the highest SpeedTest result?

Sent from Desire Z
[G2 and Desire Z General] filippoz:
Been playing with mine for a while now.

still new to the android and there is plenty of thing to be found when switching from WM.

My hinge isn't the greatest one but it is almost fine, when I strongly swing the phone upside down it moves but overall it is OK. still 2 years warranty so can't be bothered :-)

btw. it is great phone :-)

btw2. samsung 8GB card included (ordered at expansys)
[G2 and Desire Z General] filippoz:
it is working ;D can't believe in taht ;)
[G2 and Desire Z General] rosskowilko:
I've had the Desire Z a day now..

So far I've decided the hinge is a non-issue, if you use it upside down you hold onto both sides of the hinge, so it doesn't fall down.

If you need the physical keyboard open whilst lying down, even when not using the keyboard you'll hold it open simply by holding onto it. It's too heavy to hold it just by the keyboard itself (which would cause it to close I imagine).

On a side note the actual phone is awesome and super responsive. I'm happy with it!
[G2 and Desire Z General] muminisko:
If U hold it upside-down and shake it open but I'm fine with that. Great phone!
[G2 and Desire Z General] Daffa222:
Do you seriously give it a 9.5/10?

I've not been lookforward to a phone as much as this since the TyTn II and even I don't expect to rate it much higher than 8/10. Perfection is extremely hard to accomplish, but you think this phone nearly reaches it? Awesome!
[G2 and Desire Z General] Joeball88:
I'd have to agree on the initial assessment. - I've had my Bell Desire Z for one day so far. and it is stellar.

I would give it a 9.0/10 on initial impression.

I've owned 4 winmo devices, including the TP2 (and the HTC Legend too) and this lil' guy is by far the smoothest and most polished user experience of them all. The housing itself could have been more sturdy, (i'm lookin' at you, unibody Legend) and I keep twitching towards the 5th row of keys thats not there - but it's just habit, thank you very much, TP2. The hard keyboard is solid and very usable and I'm not too concerned with the hinge thus far. It seems pretty stable. The screen is big & beautiful and (when we get root!) we can overclock our underclocked Snapdragon CPU to around 1.4ghz. wow.

The camera is very nice outdoors, a tad lacking indoors, but its leaps and bounds ahead of the Legend's (even though they have the same resolution)

BTW it got a quadrant score of ~1600 stock.

May I add that Sense 2.0 is AWESOME. I've been with sense since the Touch Diamond (the original sense) and always thought it looked kind of dinky, but now HTC has made some pretty all-encompassing skins for it. I applied the 'slate' skin, and it themes every element! (crisp & clean!)

GET THIS PHONE. NOW.
[G2 and Desire Z General] LickTheEnvelope:
There is a new kernel in the Desire Z Development forum that works with Visionary temp root for overclocking.

My Desire Z is now speeding away at 1.4 Ghz. :D So... so... fast.

EDIT: I got the same 1610 quadrant score before the OC, with 1.4 Ghz... just ran @ 2134 *happy dance*
[G2 and Desire Z General] TheRomMistress:
Are you guys ready to close out this topic and start discussion in a more relevant thread? Original purpose of this thread has been met. Thanks!
[G2 and Desire Z General] invasion13:
Hi Mistress,

not really still waiting for a definitive release date in France for the Azerty model :-)
[G2 and Desire Z General] TheRomMistress:
Ok, thanks! Will keep open till all released :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] xspyda:
Well my Amazon UK order, despite being schedueld to be dispatched yesterday has been delayed once again ... this time til 8th December!

<< CANCELLED >>
[G2 and Desire Z General] snudel:
just to let you know

delivery date changed from 11/11 to 11/21

three more weeks to go for the qwertz version :(
[G2 and Desire Z General] Pickx:
Alright! 10 characters!
[G2 and Desire Z General] craiglay:
Mine too!! Was showing out of stock for me with no email to say dispatched.

Very disappointed as it was supposed to come in 2 days later than everyone else then didn't ship! Order was outstanding from 6th Oct

CANCELLED! Will attempt to get it next week now :(
[G2 and Desire Z General] muminisko:
:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: 8Dec?!?! lots of shops have them on stock right now so U can buy even today.
[G2 and Desire Z General] YOSEFE:
Mine is on its way to my home now. RM have confirmed this via tracking system. Mobiles.co.uk are just great.
[G2 and Desire Z General] mk27:
I've finally received my phone from mobiles.co.uk!

BUT!! my hinge is same as his!

it's gonna have to go back :(
[G2 and Desire Z General] Pickx:
Looks like this video is unfortunately a good representative of the kind of hinges that pass HTC's quality control (and honestly I doubt they even have quality control!)

The problem is, HTC is pulling an Apple, refusing to admit this is a problem. This means that, if negative press continues and it reflects in the number of sales, they MAY start producing devices with fixed hinges in the future, so all of us can get an exchange. But at the same time, they may not and those of us who chose to 'stick by' HTC will get screwed.
[G2 and Desire Z General] muminisko:
Have almost same hinge as showed on video but U can use hardware keyboard in any situation without issue. BTW. Just return from "phone shop" where I seen and have in my hands few DZ. Hinge is the same in all units so U don't get better I afraid :/
[G2 and Desire Z General] xspyda:
I'm surprised that Z's with the hinge quality shown in the video actually make it out of the factory - that's just put me right off it!

I wonder also if those that start out strong (if there are any) will eventually become as slack as this?

This is very poor HTC!
[G2 and Desire Z General] mk27:
Hmm, so it seems the default is a faulty hinge and only a lucky few managed to get a stronger/sturdy hinged phone.

I guess it's not that big of a deal in practise (for now). If it gets worse over time (which i think it might) HTC will see a lot of returns.

Edit: Can anyone confirm whether mobiles.co.uk is a HTC partner? (for the two year warranty)
[G2 and Desire Z General] YOSEFE:
Have now also received my DZ, but the hinge thing is as bad as yours.

I shall be phoning my supplier to replace it.
[G2 and Desire Z General] muminisko:
Look carefully at the mechanism - it shouldn't be worse over time but I can't see way to get it better without completly new solution.

BTW. Nokia (N97 and N97 mini) made hinge mechanism far better
[G2 and Desire Z General] YOSEFE:
Not sure about partnership, but there is a warranty in the box with the phone for 24 months.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Becksman:
Yep, just noticed the same. Are they ******** kidding me?
[G2 and Desire Z General] mk27:
Ah yes i see it now. So that seems like a standard 24 months warranty, htc partner or not.

So that's some good news.

The mechanism is slightly springy which might deteriorate over time. Im not sure but i think if they put some [strong] contact magnets it might hold it a lot better.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Porcelina:
Ok see, now they're just teasing me... I recieved the pouch for the Z today, but the actual phone is still estimated 20/11 (even though HTC has announced that official release date here is 10/11)... aaaaaaaaaaaaah I want the phone already! :D
[G2 and Desire Z General] Double g:
is the mobiles.co.uk supply a bad batch?

just a thought but most if not all of the z with really loose hinge seem to be coming from mobiles.co.uk as is mine on monday. has anyone with a really bad one like the one in the vid had it supplied by another retailer?
[G2 and Desire Z General] jmpcrx:
got mine from mobiles.co.uk (ordered yesturday at 1) this morning.

for me, the z hinge simply is not a problem, its not super tight, but not super loose.

i am extreemely impressed after fiddling for a few hours, good build quality, very fast etc. (glad to get rid of my old xperia x1 after NEVER finding a cooked 6.5 rom that actually worked properly!).

im now converted to android, away from the laggy win mo.

excellent phone.
[G2 and Desire Z General] zammo25:
Got mine today from MPD, hinge isn't super tight but the only way it'd come out/go in without wanting it to is if you were holding it upside down.

This is my first Android device and I'm massively impressed with it so far.
[G2 and Desire Z General] salemfox:
MobilePhonesDirect delivered to you today? They told us all Tuesday! When did you order yours?
[G2 and Desire Z General] Daffa222:
That's awesome that you got your phone today mate! But completely bull**** for the rest of us who are still waiting. I ordered in September, surely I have to be in the first batch too, right? I mean, someone spoke to them a few weeks ago I remember and they said they hadn't filled orders for all their incoming stock yet, though like a lot of things they say, that could have been a lie. Either way, I'll be terribly pissed off if it takes 'til Tuesday to get to me.
[G2 and Desire Z General] zammo25:
Sorry guys, I should have said in my original post.....I went into the store in Bath and picked it up. On 02 as well!!
[G2 and Desire Z General] vinokirk:
Yeah their stores are really good. Everytime I've ordered from them and had problems, I ring the Reading store and the guy sorts my problem out there and then, don't call the number on the website, they're pants
[G2 and Desire Z General] stiscooby:
For those of you who now have had a play with the Desire Z..... have any of you gone from the original Desire to the Z?

My current contract has now expired so I’m looking to upgrade. I was thinking of getting the original Desire but quite fancied the Desire Z with the keyboard, however, I wasn't too sure on the hinge mechanism and now just seeing the initial issues I am starting to think I might be better off with the original Desire???

My question is - apart from the keyboard on the Z is there much difference between the Desire & the Z models as I’m not sure the keyboard on the Z is going to last that long?

(bearing in mind I am upgrading from a HTC Touch HD).
[G2 and Desire Z General] schriss:
What do you mean keyboard will not last long? It seels very solid and tight. Also hinges, this is non issue for me, some people think they will hold phone upside down or by the screen, I won't. I'm happy :-) I like the design, when phone is closed it is perfect! And feels nice to touch.

I was thinking about HD but now I know it would be to big to operate with one hand which I prefer especially when on the street.

I'll be moving to the other threads now, rooting, overclockong and so on... ;-)

Sent from Desire Z
[G2 and Desire Z General] filippoz:
My hinge isn't the greatest one but is not bad.

My phone comes from expansys.

Htc got standard 24 months warranty so when thy finally sort things out regarding loose hinge I will give the phone to sevice, no need to panic guys and girls ;)
[G2 and Desire Z General] stiscooby:
Sorry, I meant the hinges probably won't last long seeing the way the kayboard just seems to fall open. Over time I can see it getting looser and looser when it will probably get more annoying as I'll find myself having to constantly close it?

Yep, the Desire HD is too big for me too so it's either an original Desire or a Desire Z for me I think, just got to decide on this keyboard thing/if there's much of a difference between the two?
[G2 and Desire Z General] elmadhoun:
Just received my phone today from handtec, 3 days from dispatch to delivery (mid east). the phone is just excellent, didnt get much time to play with it yet, but it's the best phone i've own (TP2, HTC P4350, iMate Jamin). the keyboard is great (hardware and onscreen). the loose hinge isn't a problem at all for me. it's well worth it. The most exciting part from me is this is my first android so i have a lot to look forward to (learn and explore).

I strongly recommend this, loose hinge or not...technically we cannot call it a loose hinge as it's designed this way to begin with.

I guess it's good bye to this post and let's work a new one to post our experiences tweeks etc...

Thanks for all of you who kept posting here and kept each other company while waiting for our phones and also to those who were just reading...

Cheers
[G2 and Desire Z General] salemfox:
haha, ah I see now! Good that the company physically have them for us however! :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] chizu989:
Just of note for those of you still looking for them in the UK - both carphone warehouse and phones4u have them in stock on t-mobile, orange and vodafone contracts. You'll need to go in-store though, as their websites still don't seem to have stock.

Though amusingly, I went into carphone warehouse first, who told me they had them in stock but couldn't sell them untill next week. Phones4u had no such problem.
[G2 and Desire Z General] zammo25:
Yeah, the store in Bath got them in today and have sold them all already I think. Fella in there reckons they'll have more in on Monday, was a nice bloke actually. Phoned me as soon as the delivery arrived today and put one by until I could get in. Much better than the mongs working for Carphone Warehouse, who all seem to be totally clueless. Made even worse by the fact that they won't ever say they're not sure, instead just make up total rubbish.
[G2 and Desire Z General] jmpcrx:
this really is an amazing phone, ive had more of a play now and it trully is a very impressive full-on multimedia device.

when i registered the supplied tmobile sim the guy on the phone asked f id like anything extra for free (on the contract), i chose unlimited landline calls, and an increase from 1gb to 3gb data allowance!! all for free! i pay £30 a month for 900mins 500 texts and 3gb data. not bad.

especially as here in norfolk i can now pick up h reception through tmobile, im definately very happy now :-)
[G2 and Desire Z General] schriss:
Does anyone know a policy on stuck/bad pixels?

I used to have 2 stuck pixels on TP2 and never bothered because were located close to edge and when I asked someone to find it, he couldn't, it was very hardly noticable.

Now on Desire Z I have 1 stuck pixel. It is only visible when whole screen black, can't see it on white/grey. It takes me long time to find it when I'm looking for it but it's there.

So I wonder if I could get replacement. Not now, but lets say in few months. I wouldn't bother sending it now only because of that pixel.

P.S. I wrote it on Z. I wish the keyboard had green FN key and green special characters instead of all white. It looked and worked great on TP2 keyboard.

Sent from Desire Z
[G2 and Desire Z General] Czechton:
Who did you get your contract through? I'm assuming not direct through T-Mobile since they don't seem to sell them directly.
[G2 and Desire Z General] jmpcrx:
got it through mobiles.co.uk, though it was tmobile that i was speaking to when they upgraded my tariff..
[G2 and Desire Z General] miiZ:
some of us (Benelux) are still awaiting this phone... so dont close it yet ? ;)
[G2 and Desire Z General] stian230:
:mad: Hey we in Norway dozen get it befor 11.11:mad:
[G2 and Desire Z General] vinokirk:
Got mine today, went into phones4u, £25/month 24 month contract, 600 mins, 500 text, 1gb internet, phone free. I thought phone would be about £80 or something lol :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] silvacrest:
i decided to order my desire Z from gummobile.com and they were selling it for a decent price to, £415 and yes, they are a premier HTC partner, i should get it on tuesday since i ordered saturday evening

hopefully all goes well, i was very close to ordering from E_CELL, an ebay seller notorious for having a 5 to 7 day payment clearing period for all items except it regularly goes on for months....

googleing any business is a life saver :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] vinokirk:
E-cell are gash. I bought a battery from them but they sent the wrong one, so I opened a dispute and I had woman from an american call centre ringing me asking why I had opened a dispute, but the way she said it....good lord... WHY have you opened a dispute Mr vinokirk. Very nasty, will never buy from them again
[G2 and Desire Z General] alleysun:
That's a great deal! What network is this deal on if you don't mind me asking .
[G2 and Desire Z General] schriss:
I bought one from Clove.

E-cell I bought stuff from them many times but last time they sent me battery + back cover in plain envelope and cover was broken in pieces. They process too many orders and quality sucks...

Sent from Desire Z
[G2 and Desire Z General] AgaZaKa:
Mail arrived around 9.00 and there was no delivery for me. Strange.

Your description of the case doesn't sound good. I probably wont' try it if it scratches the phone. I use Hermes case at the moment. I will have to check screen protectors I bought some time ago for my camera maybe they will fit.
[G2 and Desire Z General] will_riot:
I'm still sticking out for my Amazon pre-order hopefully arriving in the next couple of days. But if they end up changing the date again, other than swearing excessively, I will go elsewhere.

So in terms of speed of delivery and price etc... is Clove the best bet for a sim free handset?

It'll be a shame to leave this thread - it's been quite a ride over the past month or so!
[G2 and Desire Z General] steviewevie:
Your phone won't come in the normal mail though, surely ?
[G2 and Desire Z General] AgaZaKa:
I'm awaiting accessories.
[G2 and Desire Z General] steviewevie:
Doh ! Sorry.
[G2 and Desire Z General] salemfox:
Has anyone who ordered from MobilePhonesDirect.co.uk seen a change in their order status?
[G2 and Desire Z General] valve90210:
My order status is still showing Ready for Despatch, which it's been showing since Friday
[G2 and Desire Z General] salemfox:
Really? I'm still pending stock!
[G2 and Desire Z General] brononi:
Yipieeeeee,

pdashop.be has changed the delivery date from friday 12/11 towards wednesday 10/11....

Almost there...
[G2 and Desire Z General] Roachie:
Pdashop changed Date again to the 10th... so 2 more days !
[G2 and Desire Z General] Roachie:
Ah, did not see your post :) .nl here !! good times man ! GOOD TIMES! maybe this week we gonna rock on our new phones !
[G2 and Desire Z General] silvacrest:
Gummobile.com sent me an email saying my order has been dispatched and will be with me shortly, my delivery is free but is supposed to be next day shipping so hopefully it will be in my hand tomorrow :)

i was just about to order from them but changed my mind, i cant remember why, anyway i hope your orders come soon enough
[G2 and Desire Z General] cartman09:
I just got it today. It was a bit of a luck, since i am home only for three days and they started selling it on friday i think. So ordered one on saturday and got it today :) . This is in slovakia, to be precise. They have it on hej.sk if anyone is interested.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Daffa222:
Mine too. I sent two e-mails today as I'm unable to call them during work hours and received no response. I'm not feeling hopeful that we'll get our phones tomorrow :(
[G2 and Desire Z General] burtcom:
Finally...

Expansys USA has stock, and they're sending out preorders now.
[G2 and Desire Z General] zappoo:
Just a quick msg. received mine in Syd after 3 days from Clove Uk. Awesome service and even more awesome phone :) Very happy.
[G2 and Desire Z General] gtrab:
HEY FELLOW EURO DESIRE-Z OWNERS:

We have started an effort to make a LIST comparing pre-installed apps between the EURO/ASIA D-Z and the Bell-NAM D-Z

(what's missing / what's added)

thread here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=831059

Your collaboration is greatly appreciated in order to expand the knowledge

THANKS
[G2 and Desire Z General] valve90210:
Still showing Ready for Despatch, I'm not hugely hopeful that the phone will arrive today, despite several email contacts with the online Customer Services Manager who assured me that she would prioritise my order (following a long and precise email about my buying experience and disatisfaction). I shall be emailing her again today to see what is happening.

Not too impressed that they have been unable to get my phone out to me yet, when other companies have sent loads out and one chap (Zappoo) has had his sent to Oz from the UK and it's already arrived!!!

Will keep checking and update if I hear/see anything!

Valve
[G2 and Desire Z General] Pickx:
Sigh... screw this country. The phone has arrived here 4 days ago and still not even an entry in the local mail's tracking system.

edit: haha, nevermind. I just checked the aforementioned tracking system and it changed. Hopefully I'll be able to get it before the end of the week.
[G2 and Desire Z General] vinokirk:
Thats on tmobile via phones4u

Even the guy in the shop had to ask his manager if it was right!
[G2 and Desire Z General] vinokirk:
I personally have never bought anything from Clove before, but I've heard nothing but good things about them. I nearly bought a HD2 from them and the guy on the phone was a bit pushy, but nothing amazingly bad.
[G2 and Desire Z General] vinokirk:
Its a 1GB fair use policy, but if you go over the 1GB they don't stop you from downloading or even charge you extra money. They just bar you from

-downloading apps and programs

-streaming music/video

between the hours of 1600 and 0000

Thats what the tmobile rep told me
[G2 and Desire Z General] valve90210:
Actually, from reading on another forum, as well as a 1gb cap as opposed to the standard 3gb cap they give customers who purchased direct, they also limit your download speeds. (I can't remember the speed differences off the top of my head but will check and add them if I get chance this morning)
[G2 and Desire Z General] salemfox:
Yeah, MobilehonesDirect are STILL showing my order as "pending stock" even though it's Tuesday, the day they said we'd all have them. I've sent four emails, no reply!
[G2 and Desire Z General] Daffa222:
My status from MPD now says "Complete"! But still no sign of the phone and I have several e-mails from yesterday still not replied to. Will keep you updated.
[G2 and Desire Z General] valve90210:
Well, my order status has now changed and the order is showing as complete. I've just checked my email and I have been sent one saying my order has been dispatched (which it should have been yesterday) so fingers crossed it'll be wth me soon...over a week since people started getting there's and a few days after one manade it's way round the world to Oz from a different uk company...not very impressed!!!
[G2 and Desire Z General] Daffa222:
Yeah, I too now have an e-mail saying it's been dispatched. Won't be happy if this means it's tomorrow I'm getting it when the order says "Complete" on my account. What is the point of having a tracking service that says "Ready For Dispatch" when they don't have stock and then "Complete" when it's only been dispatched and isn't complete at all!?

EDIT:

Just had a delivery from Parcelforce (who are meant to be MPD's courier of choice) and no phone today :(
[G2 and Desire Z General] vinokirk:
Lol, they are always a day late, bloody MPD! I got an amazing deal in Phones4u so i canceled my MPD order. 24 months, £25/month 500 texts, 1gb('unlimited') web, 600 mins, free phone...tmobile
[G2 and Desire Z General] skulk3r:
just got my desire z earlier today and i have been playing with it for a little while. Coming from a Touch HD, this phone is amazing, the keyboard is fantastic (although it's a little weird using the space bar with my right thumb).

So long, Touch HD!

the screen feels fantastic, the buttons are responsive. slight lag in the app drawer, but not really noticeable. Now on to exploring all the awesome stuff on this phone!