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[XPERIA X10 General] devein:
this is forum, when you have private questions, please use private messages feature.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
I need to run out a get a hair cut and have a coffee with a mate. So in the sake of saving time let me answer for you.

Let us say for sake of argument Android market has 20k programs available for down load to Android devices. And, let's say Apple has a little bit over 100k programs available on itunes.

How many programs would you

not

be able to down load from Apple's itunes if you had a brand new iphone4?

Now how many programs would you

not

be able to down load from Android market if you have a brand new X10, running 1.6?

Which brings me right back to my point. If you simply had native Android without SE's gimmick UI's that don't really work all that well you would have a much better over all user experience. You would have much more customization in terms of software. Also the device would probably be open to developers to give user more setting customizations. And, if OEM's allowed their device to release native Android they would have a great advantage over competitor devices. They could offer their custom skins on Android market and include it free for their customers.

The X10 not only limits the amount of software customization, it limits setting customizations, and just like apple is locked down limiting developer improvements. Plus with the X10 there are actual features that are not supported by the X10 (such as full flash) because it is taking SE a year to engineer their UI's to newer Android OS versions. Even when they do get their product out it will still not offer important features (such as full flash). All of this is due to SE added UI's.

No amount of fanboys trying to change the subject will over come this fact. And more and more customers will drop SE and Android for that fact if something is not done about it.
[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
So, how many applications does it take for the iPhone to get the ability to view Flash?

SE's slowness probably has less to do with it's blue UI and more to do with it's incompetence or inability to live with buggy software. I don't see HTC having a problem with having an extensive UI AND the latest software. The problem here doesn't lie with OEM customizations, that's for sure.

(For the record, you know what really sucks? I have some apps for my iPod that refuse to update because they require iOS4, and my iPod isn't supported. I find that just as crappy as the 2.1/2.2 and 1.6 software divide. The point of this little blurb is to say that Apple isn't immune to the same problem you say SE has.)
[XPERIA X10 General] xeviro:
My opinion on this discussion still the same, the concept of allowing manufacturer to customize Android UI and experience is a good concept that makes the Android have a really strong points against other smartphone.

I've used WinMo 6 couple times, OEM try to customize the UI, they all looks different in the front, but when you get inside of their apps like sms, email, calendar, they all are the sames (major turn off for X1 for me)

Then iPhone comes, from my point of view, its even worse because all iPhone is the same, you cannot really change anything and even jailbraked iPhone 3GS can only add wallpaper.

The point is the concept is really good, don't kill the concept because of manufacturer failed to deliver.

I agree with you about X10 delay maybe caused by their UXP, but until its released with don't know how much the changes with the UXP, and also there could be other problem beside UXP, but its true, its very sad that they are failed to deliver their promises.

But i disagree with you that are hoping there is no OEM customization capability in future Android.

Anyway if you are really want to full experience and capability of Android, i would suggest that you change to other Android phone. X10 is without MT, we know it from the beginning and you cannot expect that someday it would have MT that allows you to play MT games. I feel sorry for those hoping about this, i was hoping but its good to have, not really a must. I have PSP and NDS for me to play games on the road.

I think something like HTC Desire HD would be the best choice over Samsung Galaxy S, big screen, MT and hopefully good FW support.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
I think you will see that I wrote iphone4 has every feature you could get on nearly any other device, OR SOMETHING COMPARABLE. HTML5 and h.264 work like a charm. No flash needed.

Since they do not use 3rd party UI's obviously you must be experiencing something else with your ipod. As for the phone end of things obviously this is not a problem for iphone4 owners. I don't think there is much doubt something will come and surpass iphone4 in the near future. My point is that it's a good moment to have iphone4. At least you can sit out the growing pains of Android and the UI night mare of the OEM. My complaint about the OEM add-ons should not reflect poorly on Android. Android are doing everything they can to get into the race. And, they are flying out new features as fast as they can offer them. However, as an X10 owner and this being my only Android experience it is hard to say that I would give another Android device a chance unless I knew for a fact that I wouldn't have to go through this again. It is sure that SE business model will have to change before I give SE another chance.

I hope that Android will find a way to keep OEM's from screwing the end users, much like SE is doing; we shale see soon enough. If SE for example offered their UI's for FREE via Android market to their customers and left the OS revision side of things to the people that get paid to build the OS's they would find a happier customer base. Making people wait a year to get an older version of OS because they can get their own UI's to run smoothly with the OS that they selected is pretty pathetic. We can only hope and wait.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
My comments in bold
[XPERIA X10 General] realunited123:
Iphone 4 User settings offer more user customization than the X10

:eek::confused::eek:;) Yeah like changing the wallpaper or adding folders ? If i get you right when you say "user customization" ..
[XPERIA X10 General] zodiac100:
Men you are a self righteous prick with a lot of nonsense to say. A pure fool pretending to be clever. What a joke .... I defy you to read again all that crap you just wrote without seeing the monumental potholes dotted all over your argument.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
diarrhea of the mouth, my favorite :rolleyes:
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
FM1776... are you still going out of your way to look for a fight??? seriously man.. join a gym or a boxing clubs or something.. go work your aggression out there.
[XPERIA X10 General] alankstiyo:
well i like SE UI, android UI is kinda minimalistic :S
[XPERIA X10 General] xeviro:
I used to have HP iPAQ H1940 and that is 2003, and the first WinMO device i remember start using custom UI is HTC Kaiser and that was 2007, its not a long waiting?

I've iPod 4G, its still look and taste the same like iPhone 3GS and iPhone 4G (app and os wise). Its a good platform for gaming and having fun, but i have to admit, iPhone probably the best smartphone phone, but for some of us that want something different, Android is the place to go.

There is always a market for people who like something like iPhone, and for people who can live and stick to BlackBerry, and for Android as well. Its just matter of which you want, and you don't take the other one and hoping it would do same trick like iPhone

Anyway we can stop whining about X10 delay, i think we all passed that moment. SE failed that is the fact.

Second that you do believe that OEM Customization is a good thing to have :)
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
I agree, minimalistic. It makes you wonder why it takes SE a year to offer a revision that is out dated OS with their basic UI's.

What do you think about SE offering their UI's via Android market (free to SE customers)?

I would rather dump the UI's and have a working 2.2.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
I am with other X10 owners. I would much rather have max customization. However, with the X10 in it's current state with the 1.6 we are not getting any where near max customization. I just feel that at least from June 2010 to June 2011 iphone4 is the device to be in for the moment. You get nearly every option currently on the market in a sleek looking device. And, what you don't get in the iphone4 the apple offers a fair alternative. Plus, it comes right out of the box fully loaded, so nothing to wait for.
[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
...you do realize that there's more to the OS that a company needs to do than just the OS, right?

They have to make sure every piece of hardware works, every piece of built-in software works, every frequency works, every APN works, every ect. works. It's not as simple as just loading a Windows disc in to a PC and clicking "go!"

Your insanely simplistic world view frightens me to a point I've never experienced from the internet.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
Yeah, they make sure everything works. Too bad it is taking them a year to do it!

Simplistic? Absolutely. I buy a device touted as the latest and greatest only to find out that it doesn't even make the cut. To me this is pretty straight forward. This is my last Sony anything, Ericsson anything, and SE anything. Pretty simple :D
[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
My comment was directed to any company, not just SE.

Also, SE isn't Sony, why would you lump them in? It's like saying I won't eat apples because I don't like the iPhone.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
I would get into Sony's ownership, but why. What do you care how I see it? Also, no matter how hard you try to sell me on the X10, unfortunetly I already own it.

If I never buy another Sony, Ericsson, or SE product againt for as long as I live how does that effect you? Probably no more than I care what kind of fruit you eat.
[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
Who's selling you on the X10?

You're gonna miss out on a lot of good Sony products, like the PlayStation 3 if you boycott a company that had nothing to do with the phone.
[Off-topic] Stabata:
hi guys and gals i know I'm fairly new to this place still and I'm still finding my way around but I wondered if I could ask you guys to click edited....link and fill out the 3 fields.

I need 10 people to do this so i can be entered in the draw.

this is legit and the info isn't compromising in anyway you could even put in a fake name if you like..

thanks guys

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[Off-topic] SamVib:
Xda isn't a that kind of site where you can spam.

Sent from my Samsung Vibrant using the xda-developers app.
[Off-topic] chopper the dog:
What [OP] can do is click HERE. And just enter credit info with the vcode from the back of the card. And ignore all calls from card company about questionable charges.

good day.
[Off-topic] egzthunder1:
No spamming is allowed on XDA, sorry.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] secondskin:
Hello all. I'm not new to Android or rooting. I had a Hero for a year and have flashed many roms and numerous other customizations. Also not being a noob to XDA I've been doing my research on rooting my new toy the Evo. I was confident about rooting my Hero because it seemed damn near impossible to brick. However, it seems as though this isn't the case with the Evo, or at least not with 4g. I want to root in the worst way but am fearful of permanently loosing 4g, which brings me to a few questions. But before I get there here's what I've learned through much research.

First, Amon Ra 1.80 backs up wimax.img but it's also necessary to double check that it's done properly as some have had problems with faulty md5sums. Things such as the MAC info can be restored and is available on the box or behind the battery. It's also essential to make sure that nandroid back-ups, or, at least the one containing a wimax.img is stored in multiple secure locations (I always do this with nandroids anyway). Second, if you don't have your original wimax.img which contains your RSA keys you're screwed and have to get a new Evo, which brings me to some questions.

I just upgraded to the Evo a few days ago and have all of the newest updates so is it safe to say that if I root I don't have to worry about messing with the radio/wimax for some time and can just flash roms? Are the radio and wimax radio two different things and if so how can I flash upgrades without worrying about loosing my RSA keys? What is the safest way to upgrade anything other than the roms? In other words if a new radio comes out is it best to un-root and officially upgrade everything and then re-root? Finally, because I can't seem to establish an exact answer to this:is there a such thing as totally un-rooting the Evo? By this I mean, if I follow the steps listed in some of the threads on here for un-rooting does that make everything 100% factory.

I'm paranoid about rooting also because I've switched to Best Buy's service plan which has its pluses and minuses. If I were to root and loose 4g somehow and had to take it back, I'm not sure of how much of a pain in the ass they are in comparison to Sprint. My understanding with the Hero was that it could be totally restored to factory condition by running an official RUU but I can't tell if it's the same with the Evo.

Lol, if you've managed to read all of this, you're probably thinking that I'm so paranoid that I shouldn't root and maybe you're right. However, I liked all of the root abilities I had with my Hero but didn't have the same potential consequences. Can the same be said of the Evo? Should I just wait until there's more development in solving RSA key problems?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] topdawgn8:
Just go for it. Those people who are having RSA key issues have updated their radios through flashing. (I used the same tequnique but never lost my keys...no one knows what's going on yet). Go for it. You will never regret it =).
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rutter9:
it's very simple. also squaretrade is the best deal for warranties
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TeknoJnky:
unrevoked + unrevoked forever, then you don't have to worry about messing up with 4g as it only flashes recovery and sets S-OFF, no changes to the stock rom or 4g.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Testrunner:
Dont be afraid

I root evo's all the time. Some for friends, some for friends of friends who pay me a little $. The point is, I have rooted dozens of EVO's using the latest Unrevoked method. I use a MAC so I don't need to install any drivers (makes it easier).

You WONT have any problems as long as you have not flashed anything crazy to your phone (radio, wimax, etc)>

The worst that will happen is the unrevoked program will say "sorry, we did not get root, but thats normal, please try again."

Sometimes it takes 3 times and then bang you have root.

Also, I have unrooted my phone and its easy as pie.

Don't stress.

If you want some help, I can G-chat you through the whole process or help if you get stuck.

Just PM me if you want help.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] r0cky0790:
To be honest all u have to do is read up on it. Google jonamerica.com(how to root)Trust me I jus rooted less than a week ago so I guess I am considered as a newbie. All in all I have my Evo running like Kentucky Derby Pro. Just gotta look past the fear that u have. If you follow those instructions correctly everything should go great. Check out other forums about rooting to confirm the steps in the link I posted for you. More than likely using unrevoked 3 nothing could go wrong. Ounce the phone is finally rooted, that's where all precaution comes into play. But there's nothing that a (nandroid backup) can't fix. Read up on that also. GOOD LUCK!!!

r0cky.Da.3v0.SU
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wmdunn:
You seem like a cautious person ... I am as well. There are lots of really bright people developing for the Evo, occasionally they push the envelope. That's ok with me, because their creativity is what makes all the good stuff available. With that said, the Sprint/HTC stock offering isn't too bad, but if you're like most of us ... it quickly won't be enough for you.

Go ahead and root ... just use good sense, and don't assume that everything that gets posted is ok ... sometimes, it takes a little time for things to shake out. For instance, I still haven't jumped to the new PRI and Wimax radio. Some have had great results ... some have been not so good. I expect to update ... but in the meantime, still enjoying all the benefits of some great custom work. Go for it ... you'll be ok.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] r0cky0790:
And by the way u don't lose 4g ounce rooted. Certain ROMs that u flash don't have a 4g fix. So jus make sure u know what ur flashing.

r0cky.Da.3v0.SU
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] secondskin:
Thanks all!!

Wow! I wasn't expecting so many responses. Rather than multi-quote everyone who posted I just want to say thanks to all of you!!! I haven't rooted yet but will get there. I'm still doing a little more research before I take the plunge.

Hypothetically, if a new Wimax radio comes out how can it be installed safely, is it best to unroot and officially upgrade then re-root? What have you guys been doing when upgrading the radios, since it seems best to not just flash them.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wmdunn:
In the past, I've always just flashed the new radio over the rom. With the new radio that has had some problems ... it's not the process ... it's that it's not the official release. With this kind of stuff, patience is a virtue.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] joshhunt:
I was teribbly afraid too. I put 2 weeks of research before rooting. The first time I did it I messed up, but then the second time it worked. You will not lose 4g unless you are using CM6.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] r0cky0790:
Get a radio that's very compatible with your rom. It will be safe to flash jus hip cache and dalvik cache and u should be fine. Male sure to nandroid backup before doing so.

r0cky.Da.3v0.SU
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mkhopper:
I'm with you. I just purchased my new Evo on Oct 1st and it came preinstalled with OS v2.2.

I rooted my previous Hero just days after the first exploit was found and it was quite easy. The Evo rooting and rom installing process looks much different however and I'll need to continue researching this one a bit longer.

I'm not a fan of one-click root methods and would much rather stick with good ol' adb commands, so I think I'm going to wait until a new command line method comes out that works specifically with 2.2. I read about the one method so far that works with 2.2, but I'd rather not downgrade anything.

Current phone info:

OS 2.2

Build 3.26.651.6

PRI 1.71_003

PRL 60671
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MercuryTangent:
I have a feeling that you'll search and research for a good long while, then, like a kid on Christmas eve who just can't wait and has to shake the presents, you'll root. Then... Happiness!

Sent from my Virus Infected Evo using the XDA app.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rambler358:
OP - I'm in the same boat as you. I really only want to root for WiFi tethering, but then I found out that PDAnet and EasyTether allow cable tethering, with PDAnet also offering tethering over Bluetooth. So as of right now I'm still a bit undecided, but am still trying to read up on all the available options. :)
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ModXMV:
My advice to you (as I was burned by a bad Unrevoked patch), is wait a few days to apply things that mess with your radio. This will sort out the bugs and whatnot.

The Unrevoked team didn't test a patch properly and they killed 4g for a lot of people.
[Desire General] Cisco Systems:
Alright, I guess I screwed up my Desire.

Whenever I power up the device, it gets into Bootloader.

My guess is the OS/ROM or whatever you call that is being deleted.

So how can I do to have it booted up into Android 2.1/2.2 OS?
[Desire General] mortenmhp:
It would help a great deal if you told what you did that made this happen :-) like are you rooted? did you do s-off hack?
[Desire General] Cisco Systems:
hmm, actually, I can't really remember what I've did.

I wanted to try rooting but somehow, it didn't work and I've tried going into Recovery and in ClockworkMod Recovery, I've selected wipe data/factory reset, and also wipe system, etc.
[Desire General] mortenmhp:
Are you able to boot into recovery? If you are, you can just use the clockwork mod recovery to flash a new rom, which you can download from the development forum.
[Desire General] Cisco Systems:
yup, i've tried flashing shipped-roms.com/shipped/Bravo/RUU_Bravo_Froyo_HTC_WWE_2.10.405.2_R_Radio_32.44.00.32U_5.09.05.30_2_release_142828_signed.exe

But when I select apply sdcard: update.zip, I get

-- Install from sdcard...

Finding update package...

Opening update package...

E: Can't open /sdcard/update.zip

(bad)

Installation aborted.

But previous I'm on 2.2 via OTA and HBOOT is 0.93
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Caspers25:
How can I get free wifi tethering i'm on the process of rooting my phone from unrevoked 3.21

Sent from my HTC EVO
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Sporkman:
first post in the correct section
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Systemfraud:
Wrong section indeed. GOOGLE would've probably even given you the answer. But I won't he mean, just go to the market and type wireless tether, it should be at the very top of the list.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ICEReaction:
Heard the one from market place is no good. Go here: Wireless Tether

Either pre 7, 8 or 9 will do. You need to have installation of non-market apps enabled (Settings > Applications > Check Unknown Sources).
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] d0m1n0:
The one in the Market is the same thing. Pre 9 is the first result, works great.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ICEReaction:
And so it is...got mine through the Google site.

Yeah, so you can just download it from the market, somewhat easier that way.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] -viperboy-:
http://tinyurl.com/38dqxq5
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Caspers25:
Well I was trying to use both but they didn't seem to work.

What now? Is it out of date?

It said only android 2.1 should I get from the nexus one or just the evo?

Sent from my HTC EVO
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] intruda119:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=798941
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] the_scotsman:
You won't find any installation links to it in these forums anymore...it's considered warez when provided as an apk or cab file.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Hypeonline:
When i say boost i mean physical make the antenna by adding to the phone's internals, i know the crappy sticker thing that goes behind the battery doesn't work and my phone seems to have the crazy problem of not picking up gsm but works fine on 3g and i just want to know if i can make my range better by using something to pick up signal better
[HD2 General] aminmomin:
Do not know if anyone facing this issue but my hd2 shows wrong forecast. It shows sunny during night time. I have done soft reset and also changed roms but same results. Even in android Rom it's doing something. Does anybody know any fix for that?
[HD2 General] guysu:
Also happened for me.

after trying to update a couple of times, all of a sudden i saw the sun!

Maybe HTC didn't feel like waking up this morning.
[HD2 General] tregobad:
Hi,

same to me this morning (Germany). It looks like a bug from accuweather.com.
[HD2 General] Nihonno:
Same here in Atlanta. It's been like this all night. It's almost 7am here. I work at night and noticed it later into the evening.
[HD2 General] robyr78:
In Italy too. It was night "all day" until now. I think accuwather didn't want to wake up even if, with today's weather, night icon was correct for the light we have outside. Autumn has come
[HD2 General] proenergy:
Hi,

is there a turkish rom available?

Thx
[HD2 General] chingy213:
Merhaba,

Hayir.

Sal.
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] aslammohamed:
i have waiting for this froyo2.2 with htc sense is any possible to cook with sense plz advice me thanks.