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[G2 and Desire Z General] penguin20000:
yeah I know, tongue was firmly planted in cheek with that comment as all we've heard from HTC on the subject is "it's the suppliers"
[G2 and Desire Z General] Lennyuk:
Update from another of my contacts

All Z's were taken to their Scotland base over the weekend for reflashing and will be shipped as and when ready any time up until the 8th.

Usually first load will go carriers, then htc partnered shops then the rest.

So its looking like carriers will get by end of this week rest by end of next depending on available stock and demand and how quick they can reflash everything.
[G2 and Desire Z General] schriss:
I don't want my box to have any signs of unboxing, nor scratches or fingerprints.
[G2 and Desire Z General] adoois:
I've toched one!

Well almost. Carphone warehouse in Kirkcaldy, Fife had been sent a dummy Desire Z, but hadn't been told to put it out on display yet.

It looked like it had been on display somewhere else, and looked like it had thin strips of stuck on magnets to keep the screen open and closed better. Maybe just a mod on that display used model.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Lennyuk:
Seems the Scottish stores might be getting stock first then if that is where they are all shipping from.
[G2 and Desire Z General] schriss:
I wonder who of us will receive the first "your order has been shipped" email... :-)
[G2 and Desire Z General] Lennyuk:
Won't be me, my email will go to someone else who will then tell me... :D
[G2 and Desire Z General] penguin20000:
wont be me i placed my pre order quite late in the game with superetrader (took advantage of the modaco offer :))
[G2 and Desire Z General] miiZ:
"your order has been packaged and ready for shipment"

.... i hope this is not a boggus from them or ill be furious (its 1 and 2 november and postal offices dont work then...)

so shipment @ 3nov ? :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] Lennyuk:
if your telling the truth...let us know where you ordered from?
[G2 and Desire Z General] penguin20000:
i call shenanigans (South Park style :D)
[G2 and Desire Z General] miiZ:
its from salland.eu

on the page it says: end october

in my mail it says (ready for shipment)

when i login at the site it still says 10november...

Getting the jeepers from this :x (payed 2 weeks ago) Ordered 3 weeks ago.

so 9/10 im in first batch

BUT the store changed 3 times with date allready
[G2 and Desire Z General] schriss:
Maybe stores post dates for new customers? They probably know how many in first batch and when second batch. So maybe we are seeing second batch dates on websites?
[G2 and Desire Z General] Mak17:
Hey Lenny, I'm slightly confused on reading this. The Vodafone website still isn't taking any orders (I'm looking to upgrade, in the 70 day window, but actual contract doesn't run out till mid december) for Dz's. Will they only do this once they have the phones in their possession? I find this really weird, as the Dhd was on the site in early October and available for pre-order, (with an initial date of 15/10, which then got pushed to 22/10).

If you say the first load will probably go to the carriers (and the Vodafone logo is plastered all over the Dz posters in London), why no pre-orders?
[G2 and Desire Z General] Lennyuk:
maybe vodafone have not wanted to commit to any pre-orders with all the uncertainty about a release date?
[G2 and Desire Z General] valve90210:
Well, I spoke to MPD this afternoon to chase up my order and was told that it was shipping today and I'd receive it tomorrow.

I was shocked at this, so said, "brilliant, they've come into and you've got stock then" to which the girl replied

"Yes that's correct"

Heres hoping!!!
[G2 and Desire Z General] Mak17:
Yeah that's the lines along which I've been thinking. I'm watching their website like a hawk to see when it comes up. I'll be sure to post it on here. Their customer services staff (both in store and by phone) are totally clueless, though at least the one's on Vodafone Oxford Street admitted they'd seen the giant poster in Oxford Circus tube stop advertising the Dz
[G2 and Desire Z General] Lennyuk:
haha classic :D not been to Oxford street for a little while now so not seen it
[G2 and Desire Z General] Lennyuk:
probably just me being stupid..but what is MDP?
[G2 and Desire Z General] snudel:
I am stll having 11.11.

i am so happy, that i got this date from the beginning. And not a **** by some days every here and then.

Bought a galaxy tab to make waiting more easy. Its worging :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] schriss:
Is this real?? Is this happening now??
[G2 and Desire Z General] penguin20000:
mobile phones direct i guess?

Glad someone has got through to them, guy i work with has ordered a Nokia from them & has all kinds of trouble trying to get through today...
[G2 and Desire Z General] penguin20000:
I'm excite
[G2 and Desire Z General] schriss:
Nice! I got myself ePad, it's Windows7, 2GB RAM device. But it was moths ago so excitement gone. Galaxy Tab tempting, but no place for another device...
[G2 and Desire Z General] salemfox:
I will blow you if that's true! I ordered from there too!
[G2 and Desire Z General] Lennyuk:
ah ok, they don't do sim free do they?

But if its true at least it shows some UK sellers are shipping.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Mak17:
Mobile Phones Direct?
[G2 and Desire Z General] salemfox:
MPD are SIM Free, I asked when I phoned to order last week...
[G2 and Desire Z General] penguin20000:
I think they do, my work buddy claims he ordered his new Nokia sim free...
[G2 and Desire Z General] Lennyuk:
Ok so some shops appear to be saying they are shipping, I know someone in Sweden who just got an email.

Some still think its delayed till next week though, maybe only certain batches needed reflashing?
[G2 and Desire Z General] penguin20000:
hopefully, i dread to see the reaction if the ones getting shipped should have been reflashed too :(
[G2 and Desire Z General] lovelldr:
Think people are gonna be disappointed if expecting the phone from MPD tomorrow, as looks like they're expecting to get it out within 7 days, but I reckon that'll be delivery by next Tuesday or something, as Citylink are usually next day...
[G2 and Desire Z General] salemfox:
Ah it's been like that for a while. Said two days last week,t ehn jumped to 9, then it's been a 7 for a fair bit...
[G2 and Desire Z General] Lennyuk:
well there is a small chance that first stock arrived today, if thats what they have been told. In which case early orders may get theirs tomorrow (or wednesday)
[G2 and Desire Z General] lovelldr:
But surely it would be altered to show a "we're dispatching on xxx" rather than "allow xxx days for delivery", since people just going to the site (like me now), think that it's 7 days from today (which I still think is more likely...)
[G2 and Desire Z General] salemfox:
You would think but I think it's just a general estimation that's not been updated. Most other shops are giving 7 day periods (but publishing the date then putting it back, here they're just saying "7" and never updating it). I've been told "seven days" everytime I've phoned them but as the person before me says, they say they're shipping them now...
[G2 and Desire Z General] Porcelina:
I really doubt all units are reflashed in the same country? I mean, why would e.g. the units who were going to Sweden take a roundtrip to Scotland first? That doesn't make any sense :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] valve90210:
Sorry, Mobile Phones Direct - apparently (according to their website) an HTC Ultimate Partner
[G2 and Desire Z General] salemfox:
Also annoying to me as (in a Sarah Palin parody), I can see Kircadly from my house!
[G2 and Desire Z General] penguin20000:
i think you should go hunting for Desires ;)
[G2 and Desire Z General] schriss:
Maybe stores got two options to choose from: get phones now and provide update later, risk more returns because of this (user errors when flashing) OR wait for factory flashed phones, small delay but risk-free.
[G2 and Desire Z General] salemfox:
haha, I didn't think anyone would get the reference!
[G2 and Desire Z General] hamish909:
I haven't spoke to MPD today but checking my account 'order tracker' and it still say 'Pending Stock' so I guess I may not be so lucky - maybe I'm in some sort of queue? I ordered mine last Tuesday.
[G2 and Desire Z General] YOSEFE:
This interesting news.

I preordered with MPD. Sent them two emails, no resply and phoned them twice, waited 10 minutes for someone to speak with me, no show.

EDIT:

Just called MPD, spoke to a lady at customer care.

I asked about the progress on the preorders of Desire Z, to which she confirmed the orders were being shipped tomorrow, and would be with us (customers) by Thursday (this week).

Hopefully, this is the true beginning of the life of the DZ.

I was promised to be among the first to receive when the device is available. Hopefully it will be so, although my order tracker still shows "pending stock".
[G2 and Desire Z General] filippoz:
all this situation looks like never ending story and it is not the 1st of April- fools day ;-)

waiting and waiting and ...
[G2 and Desire Z General] mccabeross:
Summary

For those just joining this thread - here's a brief summary so you don't have to wade through 60+ pages of cr@p :-

Desire Z Delayed

Expansys.xxx says this.

My source in the remote outskirts of Namibia says that.

HTC can suck my big one - I'm cancelling my order!

JoeyJoeJoeJuniorShabadooPhoneShop.net says this.

My source who supplies the stationary to HTC's finance dept. says that.

Changed my mind - still getting Desire Z - HTC can have my children.

NYPD have started shipping...

Oh wait, no they haven't - they've yet to reflash the hinges.

... And that's about it really.

Now that you are up to speed. We can continue...
[G2 and Desire Z General] Porcelina:
Hahahahaha! :D Awesome! :D
[G2 and Desire Z General] WDawn:
LMFAO 10000+ for this post :D
[G2 and Desire Z General] Mak17:
Just made a pre-order with Vodafone UK by phone. They estimate 17th November delivery. They've been taking pre-orders since this morning.

EDIT: Phone not on their website.
[G2 and Desire Z General] KarlosTheJackal:
HAHAHAHA! This post made my night XD
[G2 and Desire Z General] who knows:
couldnt wait any longer, got myself a desire hd lol
[G2 and Desire Z General] craigw2010:
I spoke to them last week (Friday), and they said it would be two weeks, although some progress may have been made over this weekend, here's hoping for a new phone by Friday!! Mine still says pending stock so i have nothing else but speculation to go on!! I'm not cancelling my order tho as this phone is the only one for me, dont fancy windows phone or Symbian>3!!

Craig
[G2 and Desire Z General] schriss:
Emailed Clove and got this:

"We are now told first stock of the Desire Z will be here at the end of the week"
[G2 and Desire Z General] Daffa222:
I was really starting to regret ordering from MPD. I never saw anyone else posting anything positive about them, but if we actually do get this phone this week, I'll be so happy.

For the first time since the original release date, I'm actually excited!

Next few days in work are going to be hell.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Pickx:
I sure hope this is right, though admittedly I have only placed my pre-order yesterday. I guess I'll only be getting mine on their next shipment.
[G2 and Desire Z General] KarlosTheJackal:
I have some bad news (well for me anyway) just got off the phone from T-MobUK & they said to me:

"We won't be getting this phone to offer you as an upgrade because its to expensive"

Looks like I won't be getting a Desire Z after all :(
[G2 and Desire Z General] Lennyuk:
Spoke to my contact at clove and they said that according to htc (and they are an ultimate partner) NO UK SHOP has stock yet, expecting stock this Friday and early orders and priority sales will be shipped out first.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Lennyuk:
This is ridiculous.... T-Mobile G2 is the exact same phone!!!!!
[G2 and Desire Z General] Daffa222:
Don't tell me that :(

Nah, it's not too bad I guess. I've mellowed out a bit about the whole thing. If we get good solid confirmation by the end of the week that it's definitely coming next week, I'll be happy.
[G2 and Desire Z General] invasion13:
Funny,

I mailed French HTC support, just before the weekend, what they replied is hilarous:

"Desire Z has been available since the 15th october in France, please see with your resellers"

ps: In france it's an azerty model so very unlikely to be released before the more common qwerty, and all french resellers from the 10th october, were only proposing to pre-order it under a 15 to 30 days delay
[G2 and Desire Z General] penguin20000:
wouldn't surprise me with T-Mo, was it last year or the year before they stopped offering upgrades about this time of year due to cash issues....

They offered me a discount to postpone upgrading till the new year.

Also T-Mobile UK are now a different company... :(
[G2 and Desire Z General] Lennyuk:
So unless something else happens this week I would say its Friday before we get any proper new information now (in the UK anyway)
[G2 and Desire Z General] penguin20000:
sigh agreed, be interesting to see if anything does actually turn up on anyones doorsteps tomorrow though :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] Lennyuk:
yeah or what expansys say...... seen as they claim to still be expecting delivery tomorrow.
[G2 and Desire Z General] penguin20000:
yep i'm expecting the usual "oh it's been put back at the last minute" bs :(
[G2 and Desire Z General] schriss:
I think O2 is offering Desire HD as upgrade. I can get one for 269 Euro or something like that, contract free.

But then what would I do with two new phones. Not to mention my old phones I still have: HTC Touch Pro2, HTC Tornado (candybar) and I-Mate Ultimate 9502.

EDIT: It's HD7 available in O2, not HD.
[G2 and Desire Z General] mashed_ash:
Surprise surprise! Expansys has pushed the estimated delivery date back to 7 days!

The saga continues!
[G2 and Desire Z General] Neuromansa:
SuperETrader still has tomorrow as the confirmed stock date for UK. I'll keep you posted on updates.
[G2 and Desire Z General] YOSEFE:
Some please tell me they are just joking and not serious!!!
[G2 and Desire Z General] zappoo:
Desire Z - Expansys

My contact at expansys confirmed YESTERDAY that delivery was due into the UK warehouse today. She said it would then go to HK, and then to me in Aus.

As of last night 11pm sydney time this was still the case.

When she comes online in about 3 hours, i will ask her again to confirm.

I am also woried that it's goign to get delayed again - based on all the posts here...
[G2 and Desire Z General] muminisko:
I'm afraid they know nothing about release date and just play with us to get more preorders and less cancelled orders.
[G2 and Desire Z General] YOSEFE:
Htc desire "x"

Let us all hope that HTC Desire Z has not become HTC Desire X, that is, the phone that should have been, but failed to be.
[G2 and Desire Z General] KarlosTheJackal:
I know, but instead we got the HTC Desire HD...No love for phyiscal keyboards :(

They do this most years around chrismas time, they spend there money at the beggining of the year & have nothing left!

Also thought I might correct you & say T-MobUK is still the same company. They just merged with OrangeUK to fourm "Everyone, Everywhere" (or some other crap name like that) Its so that T-MobUK can get better signal & more customers in the UK & so that Orange can launch in the USA with the help of T-Mob.
[G2 and Desire Z General] zappoo:
AARGH

So expansys now tell me their system shows the 3rd as to when they get stock.

Previously it was today (2nd).

i give up.
[G2 and Desire Z General] wootty2000:
Wow...

I know im a bit late in the game, but after reading 60+ pages I finally read the "Someone said this, Some else said that, HTC said nothing, etc" post, and could not believe that I have just read 60+ pages and that one post summed it all up...

But any, Insight are still listing "50 expected on 03/11/10" and they have been saying that for a few days.
[G2 and Desire Z General] zappoo:
Wooty - that matches what expansys are saying.. 3rd Nov..
[G2 and Desire Z General] zappoo:
Who is "Insight"? What's their URL?

I seriously hope tomorrow is the day - tired of waiting!
[G2 and Desire Z General] zappoo:
www.mobicity.com.au have just told me they HAVE them in stock and are shipping this week.
[G2 and Desire Z General] TKCable:
If you look at the site you will see they are offering 2 products:

- HTC G2 (in stock)

- HTC Desire Z (pre order)

They also make a cross-reference from the G2 to the Z and back, claiming it's the same phone.
[G2 and Desire Z General] wootty2000:
Have a look at

http://uk.insight.com/p/HTCYB52S59/htc-desire-z-smartphone.html
[G2 and Desire Z General] zappoo:
Mobicity

True - however they have confirmed they have both the G2 and the Z in stock.
[G2 and Desire Z General] penguin20000:
fyi insight were listing as in stock on the 30th till i spoke to them via email when they "oh we don't have stock" & changed the website to that date ;)
[G2 and Desire Z General] penguin20000:
yep my bad i thought that the UK T-Mob was sold to Orange but they just merged the UK operations. I probably got confused as there was talk for a long time that they were looking to sell up :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] Lennyuk:
Some good news, Expansys have now properly updated their Z page to include sim free and contracts.

Bad news.... Estimate is now listed as 7 days (apparently this estimate is only for if you order today.... but do we really believe that?)
[G2 and Desire Z General] penguin20000:
of course we do..... :rolleyes:
[G2 and Desire Z General] zappoo:
I guess we'll find out tomorrow!
[G2 and Desire Z General] Neuromansa:
Some reviews popping out...

http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2010/11/02/htc-desire-z-review/

Apparently that fu***ng hinge is loose by design. Great job HTC, I'll never be able to use my phone in bed as I've been doing with my G1 for 2 YEARS.
[G2 and Desire Z General] wootty2000:
Decided to give Insight a ring - 0800 333 333 but I have only seen them list the 0845 numbers on their website

The lady in Sales said yes 50 phones will be coming in tomorrow. It was only until I questioned why everyone one else in the country can not get stock until next week that she changed her mind a little, and said the date is only a date given to them by the manufactures and it is only an estimate so the phones might not come in until next week, but rest assure I should pre-order it with them and I will get it as soon as it's available

Got to love having a little more knowledge that the sales reps think you have...
[G2 and Desire Z General] Lennyuk:
I would not take reviews as gospel, I have it on good authority that the hinge has been tightened in the Z and a re-release of the G2 with a better hinge will happen at the end of the month.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Rchard:
Desire z

Just called expansys and they said we have no clue when it will be in stock. They suppose to get it in October but HTC has postponed it and haven't given an accurate day of shipping this. I guess so called the innovative design hinge has delayed this phone to hit the market.

Waiting is not a problem but constantly changing the dates is really frustrating.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Lennyuk:
actually the majority of delays on the Z have been software related not the hinge.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Rchard:
I doubt it that it has been due to the software. Both Desire Z and HD have the same software and HD was laucnhed before Z. Then again I don't know the exact cause behind this delay.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Lennyuk:
The softwares are very similar yes, but not exact. The hardware is different in the devices and it causes new issues.

The main issue here (from what I have been told) is that the nand (system memory) was left with too many bad sectors following the flash of the rom (and was not approved by Google) so they all had to be sent back to be reflashed.

If we have too many bad sectors and a subsequent OTA tried to flash to a sector that was bad (especially when changing radio or hboot) it can brick your phone.
[G2 and Desire Z General] wootty2000:
Maybe, but I do wonder if the boys over at the G2 corner of XDA-Devs have got a little too close to getting a fully rooted phone and HTC (in a panic) have recalled all the Desire Zs for a security update

Probably not, but it does keep crossing my mind
[G2 and Desire Z General] schriss:
I have a Nintendo WII and I have read thet it is very common to have some "factory bad sectors" in nand. These are marked as bad and its safe, the problem is when there is too many because they take up free space so a device with extensive number of bad blocks might not have enought space to flash new Firmware.
[G2 and Desire Z General] KarlosTheJackal:
Yer when i read the first reports that they might be selling to orange i almost cried! (Not a fan of OrangeUK) But there still good old T-MobUK XD

Back on topic, Im gonna go into My local Carphone today & nag them for some answers! Ill let you know if I get anywhere! (:
[G2 and Desire Z General] Lennyuk:
exactly and then when you try to flash the new firmware a critical part will be missed leading to a bricked device.

On another comedy note of failings of Expansys UK

Desire HD is £425 + VAT = £499

Desire Z is £382 + VAT = £499

How does that work?
[G2 and Desire Z General] filippoz:
I am still patient and politely waiting for the phone to be released but feed up with this situation.

I need two phones anyway so thinking about buying normal desire (update to A2.2) or just wildfire as it is cheap (poor screen but can't be bothered) and next year will go for the DZ without any issues - child age issues.
[G2 and Desire Z General] schriss:
Simple, HD has more inches, bigger screen. It's taxed with higher VAT.

P.S. It's a joke!
[G2 and Desire Z General] muminisko:
:) Higher VAT is for Desire Z due high demand :) BTW:

http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2010/11/02/htc-desire-z-review/htc-desire-z-review-13/

this looks really bad.... :(:confused:
[G2 and Desire Z General] schriss:
I have an option to get HTC HD7 for much less than 300 Euro. So I could have two phones but why would I need two? Why do you need two phones? I need a reason to get that second phone. It would deserve to be used, unlike the older phones we all have (past upgrades).
[G2 and Desire Z General] schriss:
This isn't good review, I didn't like it at all. They even said HTC Touch Pro2 has bad keyboard (my phone!), that's when I stopped reading. I'm pretty sure that keyboard is considered to be one of the best ones. Check their review of HD, same. Are they biased iPhone fans or what?
[G2 and Desire Z General] muminisko:
TP2 has best keyboard ever! Maybe it's not a good review but this does not change the fact hinge is huuuuuggeeeeeeeeeee!!!!! :eek: I canceled my DZ order some time ago & I'm quite happy right now. If U will be disappointed I definitly go for Milestone 2
[G2 and Desire Z General] wrapper:
These delays are really frustrating me now...
[G2 and Desire Z General] schriss:
I was thinking to get other phone instead, but decided I want HTC because there will be more development going on there. Wouldn't want to get a phone that's not listed on XDA Forum.
[G2 and Desire Z General] penguin20000:
anyone heard anything from the guys that say they ordered from MPD who said they were shipping...? or were they just yanking our chains.....
[G2 and Desire Z General] Lennyuk:
Maybe they did get the email but they won't have shipped as of last night my contact confirmed that NO UK dealers have taken stock.
[G2 and Desire Z General] penguin20000:
lol cakes from SuperETraders twitter:

"The HTC Desire Z has been delayed, it should be released either late this week or early next. Pre-orders will be shipped asap. apologies."
[G2 and Desire Z General] valve90210:
No surprises that I've heard nothing and my order is still shown as pending stock, methinks the woman I spoke to yesterday was a barefaced liar!!!
[G2 and Desire Z General] Rchard:
My order got postponed for 8 more days. This is a joke really.