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[myTouch 3G Slide Android Development] nbetcher:
You like STIs 'on' you? :P
[myTouch 3G Slide Android Development] wyvernwaddell:
Soo..anything happening yet? Have the relavent repositories been rebuilt? Just got CM for slide RC2 and it would make my month to have s-off too-especially as they got bluetooth calling working finally!

Waiting patiently, but willing to send the devs peanut butter cookies if it'll help....
[myTouch 3G Slide Android Development] arayray:
Dont blash or flame me but, @nbetcher do you have any updates on how its going after he lost most of his github?
[myTouch 3G Slide Android Development] acejoker25000:
has anyone seen the new perm S-off and superCID for the g2? i was wondering could we not take out our mmcblk0p7 image or whatever its called on our device and hex edit it in a similar fashion to achieve the same results or is that method only possible for their perm root method or phones rooted similar ways like the mytouch 4g desire z etc etc?

or is this the method thats actually being worked on now and they are just simplifying it into a script so people not comfortable with hex editing or dont have that kind of knowledge can just run a script?
[myTouch 3G Slide Android Development] migueltherocker:
I don't think so, from what I read the only reason they could flash that image is because they already had S-Off (Through the cracked HBOOT). By flashing it, they achieve true S-Off (Through the radio. No difference, except that through the radio you can manually set the CID and stuff.
[myTouch 3G Slide Android Development] amack10:
Ya if you guys could get a hacked hboot on ur phone u mite be in buisness. Has anyone with a mts though of starting a s off bounty or ne thing. I know the g2 didn't really need a root bounty considering its popularity but I'm sure it didn't hurt. And scotty (the guy who has done AMAZING things for the g2) got a nice chunck of change to split with who helped. I'm sure it would attract the attention of some devs that normally wouldn't look at the slide.
[myTouch 3G Slide Android Development] nikol4s:
A

We have root just not s off.

Sent from my HTC Espresso running CM6.
[myTouch 3G Slide Android Development] wyvernwaddell:
S-off

And someone has s-off but doesn't want to release as they are afraid it will brick phones...they could release the command line stuff as "cut and paste" perhaps if they are worried about people messing up the commands...

Still waiting in hope of...but starting to look around for an HD2 or something....
[myTouch 3G Slide Android Development] SilverL:
I've already dropped the slide.
[myTouch 3G Slide Android Development] Digitaldreamer7:
Im really hopeful, but, I think I might do the same soon. I was really looking forward to this. I love this phone, just am tired o fstuff not working on it. I might get something from fleabay to use til it finally gets released.
[myTouch 3G Slide Android Development] SilverL:
I was gonna hold on to it, but my sister started complaining about hers and was eying it. So I told her "Merry Christmas expect nothing more."
[myTouch 3G Slide Android Development] PanCubano:
So did I, but, I gave it to my brother so not all is lost, I guess. I still pop back in here to read a couple of times just to see what's up.

The problem with this phone is that we're starting to sound like motorola cliq users on their eclair update with our froyo update. We're constantly saying "froyo soon! Froyo soon! Oh, look! They posted saying that we're indeed GOING to get it so it MUST be SOON!"

To be honest, the mt3gs was my first android phone I ever started to do anything on. I went from cm6 to eugene's myfroyo to miguels froyo sense and back to cm6 until I dropped it for a G2.

The problem with this phone is that its a mid range, eclair-tmobile-theme'd launcher phone that won't see froyo for a long time regardless of what htc or tmob says.

That and since the new mytouch 4g came out, its beginning to look pretty grim.
[myTouch 3G Slide Android Development] MusicMan374:
That may be so, but until the other MDPI phones stop receiving OTA updates we will PROBABLY at least see ports of other Sense roms. We already have ported froyo roms, but I'm sure if MDPI sense devices will see gingerbread then so will we. There are quite a bit of sense rom ports floating around, none of the froyo ones seem to be fully functional though. So then again, maybe not, maybe it will be too difficult to get 2.3 running, since we already had a lot of trouble getting 2.2 running the way it does. Who knows. If we get s off, I will be ecstatic.
[myTouch 3G Slide Android Development] falken98:
This thread may have actually delayed s-off for the slide.

I know I was personally making a bit of headway but stopped 2 months ago when it was annouced someone had already done it. I imagine there were others as well.

I'm not sure why this was even made a sticky as there isn't really anything here except a photo. There is no development release here, no technical discussion, no ideas, nothing.

I just don't get the point of flaunting that you know something you have no intention of sharing. If you actually get to point where you feel like contributing it to the community open a thread then, until then, this one should be deleted.
[myTouch 3G Slide Android Development] HebrewToYou:
Falken, you should pop over to the IRC channel [#mytouchslide] and try to convince those with this information to release it... ;) My efforts to do so have failed.
[myTouch 3G Slide Android Development] nbetcher:
Convincing me to release it just won't ever happen, but convincing "other key individuals" might. This isn't just about preserving my name, it's about keeping hopes of this reaching masses by not befriending people. I'll talk to IEF and see if there is anything that can be done at this point.

Please note: the manual process is certainly not a stroll in the park, even for those extremely experienced with Android or embedded devices.
[myTouch 3G Slide Android Development] acejoker25000:
Give us a clue as to what it entails. Such as something similar to the full s-off on the g2 before it was simplified (by full I mean radio s-off) or similar to the first s-off (hacked hboot for s-off) or much harder then either of those and definite need for deeper android understanding before your even aloud to dream about dreaming about attempting the manual s-off

Also I'm sure with the manual directions there is someone else that could simplify all steps into a short simple method.
[myTouch 3G Slide Android Development] nbetcher:
It's not "like" any of the other methods, that's why Alpharev is so revolutionary for GSM-based phones.

There isn't anyone else that can do as good of a job as IEF (Alpharev) and beat him to a release. He is going to try to put Slide support into 1.6 which should be his next release, hopefully coming up "soon."
[myTouch 3G Slide Android Development] acejoker25000:
what i meant was in terms of difficulty/risk not how its done. should have probably made it clearer.
[myTouch 3G Slide Android Development] Febby:
sweet! I think if mytouch 3g slide gets 2.2 and soff I might be a happy camper on re getting a new slide if we get flash 10.1 with it that is.
[myTouch 3G Slide Android Development] nbetcher:
Difficulty to design the 'exploit': extremely (e.g. embedded systems knowledge via years of college education and real-life professional experience).

Difficulty to apply it manually: for a person that has a little difficulty with the exploid method? Extremely difficult. For someone who has had repeated failed attempts at the exploid method? Impossible. For someone that managed the exploid method on the first/second try? Moderate.

Risk to design: extremely high. The slightest mistake is a brick (this includes off-by-one bits, etc).

Risk to apply: moderate, depending on the level that the person manages to fsck the process up.
[myTouch 3G Slide Android Development] acejoker25000:
so basically no noob should attempt! but we know they will and someone will break their phone and then they will make a thread in the development section to which they will be flamed for!
[myTouch 3G Slide Android Development] nbetcher:
Not to sound harsh, but I don't care if that happens to someone because they'd be too dumb to know not to play with fire even if you warned them excessively to begin with. Natural selection at its finest.

However, what I do care about is having instructions that the vast majority of the community would be incapable of performing successfully. At that point I'd have a lot of people harassing me to walk them through it, even if the instructions are clear as day (with screenshots and everything).
[myTouch 3G Slide Android Development] KCRic:
I'd say the majority - not the

vast

majority.

When your instructions for the original root method were literally 'copy and paste' and people still asked about this part:

cd c:\<where you put it>\tools

"where's that?"

Surely you won't be writing instructions that some one like that could execute, that would be more confusing than not simplifying it. I tend to over think so simple ≠ easy.
[myTouch 3G Slide Android Development] falken98:
As a previous member of CORE, and someone who has never set foot in a college classroom (as a student anyway) I think i'll take the challenge. I'll resume work and see if I can get it out first. :D

Edit: Complete with confusing hard as hell to follow directions that will brick your phone if you sneeze funny while doing it :)
[myTouch 3G Slide Android Development] dbzfanatic:
Works for me, I don't have an issue with following directions that are potentially dangerous as long as it's clear what's meant, even if you have to think. I used Eugene's method on my first slide and the exploid method on my second, got it working the first try on both methods so if I can do it (no previous android experience, some linux but not much) anyone who can think and take time to do something can. That and if you brick your phone you always have the option of getting it replaced. If it's a real brick then TMO won't be able to tell wtf went wrong and as long as there's no water damage you'll get your new phone.
[myTouch 3G Slide Android Development] wyvernwaddell:
I'm willing to guinea pig when you get there...and I do have a fair bit of linux command line experience :)
[myTouch 3G Slide Android Development] falken98:
Well, i've managed to be able to reflash hboot.

I assume no one is going to share a engineering or patched hboot with s-off, and I have a certification training next week for work so it'll probably be 2 weeks before I can get anything out. Still bet I beat this release. :)
[myTouch 3G Slide Android Development] wyvernwaddell:
You go dude! We'll all be counting the days- I hope you can get it!
[myTouch 3G Slide Android Development] migueltherocker:
w0w eff yu cheifz u r such a n00b i am ultral33t haxor i can s-off i dnt care how hard it iz

;)

But seriously, Chiefz is right. It hasn't been released because it's not ready to be. And to reiterate, the

ONLY

benefits of S-Off are

1. Flashing partitions directly through fastboot (Flashing a recovery, etc) and

2. System r/w while booted.

For number 1 we already have a recovery in update.zip form, and for number 2 we have an overlay that is almost as good.

I can guarantee you that most of the people going crazy for S-Off don't really know what it does.
[myTouch 3G Slide Android Development] wyvernwaddell:
Cheifz...ain't you or nbetchers fault if IEF is taking his time..sometimes that's what you have to do to get it right.

If it's that level of hard, I 'spect most of us can wait until there is an easier way. I was lucky and rooted my Slide (your method) on the first try-but my best friends took HOURS of retrying and patience.

How is the engineering hboot different from the patched retail hboot? Is the engineering hboot useable?

Curiouser and curiouser,

Lisa (wyvernwaddell)
[myTouch 3G Slide Android Development] falken98:
The engineering s-off hboot would be great! I'll send you a PM on that.

My method doesn't sound nearly as bad as the one you described, so we obviously took different approaches. It is still a get the timing right or enjoy your new brick however. I flashed twice with success but it could go wrong just as easy.
[myTouch 3G Slide Android Development] migueltherocker:
I meant to quote you and thanked you by accident. Oh well! Enjoy!

Anyway, the ENG hboot (I'm assuming) is the ENG bootloader we all flash to allow us to enter clockworkmod recovery.
[myTouch 3G Slide Android Development] SilverL:
S-Off makes it easier to develop. I do a lot of rom modifications that require pushing and pulling files. Thats the only reason I want S-Off.
[Wildfire Themes and Apps] hector28:
Hi guys... I just like to ask if there are any free theme applications I can download so I could use themes? I tried looking for metamorph in the market but it's not showing up.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sylau90:
Discuss the latest news about WP7 and apps here...I'll keep updating this thread...browse the latest post for latest news...

Beware there are bugs and other issue in new HTC WP7 device, Jump to the latest post and read.

New,HTC 7 Mozart video recording Quality (720p).Youtube and download link provided.31seconds of video=30.8MB

http://www.1800pocketpc.com/2010/10/23/720p-video-capture-quality-on-htc-7-mozart.html

Flash coming WP7 confirmed by Adobe...http://wmpoweruser.com/flash-coming-to-wp7-devices-confirmed-by-adobe/

Great news: Free WP7 devices and Zune Pass. 6 prizes each week. Officially from Microsoft. For US users only...:D

https://microsoft.promo.eprize.com/windowsphone7/?affiliate_id=zune_social

A complete review of WP7 and few apps review...pretty detailed and with screenies(Omnia 7)

http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/reviews/2010/10/windows-phone-7-the-ars-review.ars/

All ten new devices...my favourite: Dell Venue Pro

Check here...

http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/11/microsoft-announces-ten-windows-phone-7-handsets-for-30-countrie/

Most reviews can be found there,a good source about application of WP7

WP7 Apps: http://www.1800pocketpc.com/category/windows-phone-7-apps

WP7 games:http://www.bestwp7games.com/

72 Windows Phone 7 tips and tricks

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/36413/72-windows-phone-7-tips

All devices spec comparison...http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/11/windows-phone-7-handsets-the-tale-of-the-tape/

More info in page 8 with pictures and specs...

Updates in latest posts...check it out

Browser based Marketplace(english version)

http://www.appsfuze.com/

How to build a WP7 application (for absolute beginner) Video tutorial,is a series like drama,step by step guides...cheers...everyone got talents.

http://channel9.msdn.com/Series/Win...nt-for-Absolute-Beginners/Series-Introduction

WP7 wiki for developers...

https://wp7dev.wikispaces.com/
[Windows Phone 7 General] npeters:
I recently upgraded to the HTC HD2 and I am very happy with it now that I have upgraded to the Turbo3D graphics driver, Cookie Tabs, and done the performance registry tweaks.

After spending the cash on this device I hate to throw it away on another phone. I will wait till wp7 settles in a bit before moving over.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Intervenient:
It really depends on what happens. If it has lots of quality apps, more freedom than iOS, and hardware and wireless providers not tampering with the OS, more than likely. Glad I'm not eligible for an upgrade for another year.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
In Poland it will be probably some months later.

I'm eager to try it. But that also depends on what upgrades they plan.

If the plan is to bring those big missing things I'll be happy.

But if not unfortunately Android is the only way.

Now observing and plan to stay half a year more with WM.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sylau90:
have a look...

http://www.visionmobile.com/blog/20...-tipping-the-scales-of-the-smartphone-market/

Cheers.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Hirnteri:
I will buy the htc Mozart!
[Windows Phone 7 General] def77:
The screen on my HTC Diamond cracked yesterday, so I'm going to have to upgrade whether I like it or not. Display still works and hopefully it'll hold up until the phones are out.

I'm hoping that Vodafone have some reasonable tarriffs, I don't really want to go above £25 a month really. Hopefully the OS is working properly straight out of the gate and all of my old WM syncs straight across.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jonifen:
From what I've seen of WP7 so far, I don't think I'll bother.

Saying that though, if it ends up working really well when it's released, I might change my mind :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] Paolo01:
My Fuze is dying. It has had a nice run but really needs to be replaced now. I am not thrilled about the first three handsets that appear ready to be released by att so I may end up getting one as a stopgap and then buying another as the gen II's roll out in Q1 2011. I want the OS to succede so I really do not have a major problem with buying two in three months. I'll give the first to my son.

What I'd ideally like:

1.3 GHz processor

Slider qwerty keyboard

16 or 32 Gig internal memory

8mp camera

>3.8 inch screen
[Windows Phone 7 General] Cruzer1:
For Aussies here. Was talking to a Telstra personel in the main Sydney store opposite Apple store, and he said that he heard that they would be definitely getting the HTC Mondrian, and that the HD3 will officially be called HD7 (Tho did not say whether we'd get it)

Release date, he said it was originally end of this month, then 8th November.

Honestly, I think he's just been reading tech news. Cus the only dates thats been said online were 11th Oct (official release), 21ist Oct (Euro release) and 8th Nov (US release), and cant remember the 8th Nov being pushed back date.

Anywho, he said realistically expect the phones to come out in 2-3months... which suck cus I was expecting Australia to get it before anywhere else (a rumour i read online).

Was thinking of moving to Telstra from vodafone, because Ive heard NextG murders all the other telco's in speed and coverage... But if I'm forced to wait that long, I might just get a sammy device on ebay once it becomes available, tho it'll most likely only support the 900mhz band (voda, 3 and optus).
[Windows Phone 7 General] sylau90:
Hey,mate, what you heard is true?from birsbane here...If what you heard is true,I'm extremely excited now...I thought we have to wait until early2011...

Besides, what I suggest that,you can buy the phone from Telstra outright,but never switch to their network...I'm currently using telstra HTC HD2 NEXT G. The bills from Telstra is a killer....LOL...I'm regret now,plan to switch to either optus or three...but still under the contract...sob...
[Windows Phone 7 General] Cruzer1:
Not sure, he couldnt really confirm anything only from what he's heard, but like i said, I reckon he's just been reading online news. Telstra is an official partner of WP7, so we're definitely getting it, but probably exclusively through them for a few months (as was with most HTC products that officially get released here)
[Windows Phone 7 General] sylau90:
Oh,I see...Ok, Thanks a lot ya...Actually I got a better option for HTC devices, which is Dell lightning. If you love portrait keyboard, you will like it. This device is freaking sexy...
[Windows Phone 7 General] Cruzer1:
Yep I've seen that, I love the design, but not a fan of the portrait keyboard, plus its abit too thick for my liking and supposedly the Dell wont be one of the first few handsets to come out (might be in the second wave of handsets first half of 2011. I've got my eyes on the Omnia7 which might be a WP7 version of the Galaxy S, and hopefully be released this year.

Only about 8 more days til WP7's official release in london, so hopefully devices will be confirmed then :D. I'm still gonna hope for the sammy to have a hummingbird processor, or the HTCs to somehow have the Adreno 205 GPU. Fingers crossed.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sylau90:
Haha,yea...same here,finger crossed and wait for my Dell lightning. Hope it won't use the first gen processor...either second gen or third will do...or maybe 1.3ghz...lol
[Windows Phone 7 General] XATAGuy:
When the TP2 (Tilt2 for me) was released, I bought one the first day I was able. I am running the recently released OEM ROM and this has been the best device I have ever owned. I am very happy with my Tilt2.

There are several issues which will need to be proven incorrect or resolved predicating that I maintain a wait-and-see posture. Some of these will be deal breakers. In inverse order of importance they are:

Rumored incompatibility with Outlook – Contacts, Calendar, and Notes!

Rumored inability to tether – I frequently use the Tilt2 as a modem for my laptop.

Not having a removable SD card

Downward compatibility – will the OS run WM6 programs, or will I have to find/research/purchase all new software programs.

I’m not certain I am ready to give up my hard keyboard yet. I’d like to see a “TP7” – something with a hard keyboard, and larger CPU and display.

I will be cautiously researching these issues for remedies or suitable work-arounds prior to investing in this technology.

Dave
[Windows Phone 7 General] sylau90:
The internet tether function already confirmed here,It'll not available at launch,but it'll add in via update...

http://www.wmexperts.com/director-windows-phone-7-confirms-tethering-support
[Windows Phone 7 General] deadwrong03:
as soon as verizon releases a htc wp7 with a keyboard and a big touch screen ill be getting one
[Windows Phone 7 General] Mastamind89:
My Tilt needs to be put to rest, I plan to get the HTC Mondrian. Even though I was expecting better specs, such as a newer processor and front facing camera, the phone is a major upgrade from my current one. I do remove my SD card a lot, but not having one is something I can deal with and same with the amount of storage. But overall, I'm looking forward to the phone and OS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Lucus Maximus:
Cruzer,

At least you have Telstra Staff that are reading and know about these phones! Here in Brisbane it's shocking. They either know about them and have been told not to tell anyone about them or they just plain don't know anything!

I even had one guy in the City Store plain out lie to me cause he had know idea at all, saying Nokia had a model coming (N8) which was what Telstra was stocking at launch and that all current WinMo 6.5/6.1 phone could get an update. LOL! Just told him he had no idea and walked off!

-Lucus
[Windows Phone 7 General] paperclips:
I'll be buying one as soon as there is a nice 4G WP with a slide out QWERTY, nice aesthetics, and a Tegra 2 inside.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sylau90:
Hey cruzer and all aussies and new zealand WP7 lovers, great news here...head over and have a look...http://www.neowin.net/news/windows-...rst?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Australia/New Zealand - 21 October 2010

Asia - from 21 October 2010 (availability varies by country)

Europe - 21 October 2010

USA - 8 November 2010
[Windows Phone 7 General] Reihnold:
Depends on the available models in Germany: If there will be a model with QWERTZ-keyboard and big screen, I might buy one on October 21st. Otherwise I will wait until one is released.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Cruzer1:
I remember reading a very similar article a few months back stating exactly that. But like I posted earlier, the telstra guy has only heard things here and there and couldn't really give me an official date. The 21st is only 2.5 weeks away, and considering most telstra stores haven't been told of an official date, it's kinda hard to believe that they'll be ale to get ready in such a short time to sell wp7 handsets.... Id love to be proven wrong though :D if that date is indeed true, I so cant wait to have a play with one :D booyah!