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[G2 and Desire Z General] ddgarcia05:
We can watch porn on it?!?!?!?!!?:)

jk.....ok i'm not. :D I paid 300+ too. You tell em.
[G2 and Desire Z General] larryccf:
jeez - de-hype, the phone's only been out a total of 2 or 3 days, and you're ready to form a lynch mob, with no solid proof the "missing 2 GB" is really missing, and there's some indication that it is there

you've got some already posted up above, plus over on the G2 android development forum there's this post from bottom of pg 15 on XDA G2 android development forum (link http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=794053&page=15 ) :

"If the NAND is being presented as mmc type device, perhaps the baseband ("radio") processor is performing mmc to nand conversion, and also acting as a gatekeeper? Don't the baseband processors often perform other interfacing functions in other devices?

This might also be relevant to the ~2.1GB mmc size weirdness - there are of course not going to be non-power-of-two NAND devices so all these ~2.1GB devices must have 4GB of space but may show up with an odd number of sectors due to gatekeeping by the baseband processor.

The baseband processor might simply discard any writes to certain sectors not being performed in an approved fashion (perhaps using special IPC calls or by first authenticating with it to enable write through). Perhaps it caches writes in the "rest" of the NAND space, until the next reboot?

Perhaps there is some kind of dual partition set up like a Tivo for the system partitions, so you write your OS update to the other partition set (through whatever nonstandard methods are used), write config someplace indicating to use the other partition set, reboot, bootloader tries booting and if things don't check out, revert to previous partition set. "

quit frapping yourself out and put the lynching rope away, at least until it's confirmed the internal memory is only 2GB. Like givah said, go out and enjoy the phone till we know something for sure
[G2 and Desire Z General] Cel1084:
Is that possible? From what I read on here the missing 2 or so GB are most likely in a locked back up partition. How can that be change with only a OTA update?
[G2 and Desire Z General] RaffieKol:
I just want what I paid for !!!!
[G2 and Desire Z General] larryccf:
did you bother to read my post? - what you paid for may already be in your phone!!

jeez - and you accused givah of being juvenile
[G2 and Desire Z General] :
Very possible.
[G2 and Desire Z General] :
From the pdf. Could be a something ridiculously retarded like a messed up setting:

Anyone remember the N1 issue with the wifi driver not allowing connections for devices that started with 00 mac adresses?
[G2 and Desire Z General] gjvah:
I've been working from the age of 12, I have 2 cars (paid off) and a 3 bedroom in Holly. Haven't seen a cent from my parents for a very, very long time. I pay my own bills like everyone else on here (hopefully). I also paid a sh*tload for mine, but as you can see I'm keeping my mouth shut until more light is shed on the "issue" (non-issue for me).

Stop b*tching and making irrelevant pseudo analogies. You're not contributing anything to the actual topic, and people who are here to get useful information have to read through a bunch of whining comments to get some relevant info out of this thread.

I don't mean to be disrespectful (like you are to me, with your immature porn comments) but please wrap it around your head that we understand your frustration, no need to shove it down our throats in every single post.

Thanks :D
[G2 and Desire Z General] Cel1084:
Good. I like quick easy fixes.
[G2 and Desire Z General] marsucsb:
Internal Memory

Hey guys,

I also am showing 1.22GB as available space. There was a guy on here that posted a video about the z hinge of his phone. I made a video as well for comparison, seems I have the same problem ie. loose hinge.

youtube.com/watch?v=WFo0LwNTulg
[G2 and Desire Z General] mghtyred:
Expect a statement from T-Mobile in the coming days. Remember this is the weekend, not a lot can get done right now.
[G2 and Desire Z General] RaffieKol:
This is my problem - HTC and Tmobile are acting like they dont know what is wrong.

Tmobile I understand but HTC....... come on they made it programmed it and gave birth to the damm thing (I think they found a F1 to mate with the G1 and out came the G2 lollll you get my point)

I apologize for being rude but I am very frustrated with there BS...
[G2 and Desire Z General] going_home:
Whew

Just read all 31 pages of this thread. Whew.

I hope this gets resolved soon to everyone's satisfaction.

I preordered a G2 last Friday with my debit card.

Then a few hours later activated a new debit card I got in the mail that day, not thinking that it would immediately shut down the other card.

Bam my preorder was canceled even though I didnt know it for a couple days.

Long enough for me to read about all the issues the phone has.

Made me happy I failed on the prebuy.

:D
[G2 and Desire Z General] solace.discord:
The makers of roms for android on hd2 have been making the data img no larger than 2 gigs and I think I read that it's because froyo doesn't recognize any more than 2 gigs.

Correct me if I'm wrong but it would explain what's going on with your G2s and that TMo is being truthful. Perhaps an update would solve the issue.
[G2 and Desire Z General] atlp99:
Solace,

That would make sense. That could also be why the vibrant shows 2gb storage + an internal SD card rather than a total internal storage of 16gb.

I'm waiting to see a response from T-Mobile, so far this is not showing up to store reps as a known issue. I would not be surprised to see a response this week though since the official launch is Wednesday. My store has not received our shipment so I could not verify anything other than my preordered phone and the store demo both report 1.2gb free.
[G2 and Desire Z General] larryccf:
has the vibrant gotten it's froyo ota?
[G2 and Desire Z General] dynamikd:
Rumor has it that it will happen around October. You should probably check the vibrant forum for more info.
[G2 and Desire Z General] kludgineer:
Maybe there's hope?

FYI, I called T-Mobile and was told, basically, tough luck. They claimed the memory was there, but that it was reserved and would not likely be made available.

However a call to HTC (at the number posted earlier in this thread) was much more productive. The rep I spoke to was not aware of the problem (she said I was the first call she had ever taken regarding the G2), however after researching the issue she told me that it was a known issue, was not a hardware issue, and would be addressed by a future software upgrade.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Viper Matrix Wireless:
http://pastebin.com/SUkctUmq

Goto 104.

101 goes along w/ its using Sandisk eMMC.

I remember the old days of using Windows 95, 98 & FDISK. FAT didnt like being over 2GB. So then it wanted to be a FAT32 partition but when it hit 32GB Windows 98 had no way to read beyond that until Microsoft posted an update for Windows 98. Even tho you can still have drives over 32GB as FAT32 partitions. But FDISK has trouble reading past 32GB. So we eventually got DISKPART.
[G2 and Desire Z General] TheMan42:
Wow, you sound like a complete jackass
[G2 and Desire Z General] smthkat789:
Waiting for those that purchased from tmob, radioshack and bestbuy, to tell us the internal memory storage on their devices
[G2 and Desire Z General] goku31640:
Same here. Hopefully by then, it will become a huge incident, because of all the people that will have it, then Tmobile or HTC will have to either A) Fix the problem, B) Tell us what is really going on, and maybe the space really is hidden somewhere, and they are waiting for gingerbread to unlock it?
[G2 and Desire Z General] Viper Matrix Wireless:
Well we know this that the Kindle can read the chip fully. However, if we could get the same thing done here w/ a vibrant & it shows 2.1GB we will know it has to do with driver support & then we can bother Google on an update to support larger than 2GB.

OK the Vibrant says 2GB as well. This is an Android issue.
[G2 and Desire Z General] rr5678:
Don't remind me of those days :p
[G2 and Desire Z General] acis:
Radioshack bought G2. Mine has the same. I figured it would be smaller due to the OS. What's the big deal? If you don't like it return it you fools.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Viper Matrix Wireless:
What we need is an update to convert FAT to FAT32 w/ support for it.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Gr8gorilla:
Hey I got some stuff to sell you. Since you are so gullible. I can help you clean out your bank account, and at the same time I will do just like Tmobile is doing and tell you the junk I am selling you is the same junk you want to buy, and since you just believe whatever anyone tells you, you will be happy.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Viper Matrix Wireless:
I've opened an issue here:

http://code.google.com/p/android/is...=5&colspec=ID Type Status Owner Summary Stars

Someone spread this link to the T-Mobile forums thread & tell them to come & join.
[G2 and Desire Z General] genethebean33:
So me and my girl both got the G2 today and hers says 6.87 free and mine is the 1.crap. I have not clue why hers is ok and mine is not????????? Anyone elses in the the 6 internel free memory?
[G2 and Desire Z General] Viper Matrix Wireless:
That has to be impossible because it has a 4GB ROM that must be the SD card.
[G2 and Desire Z General] smthkat789:
Pics or it didnt happen!
[G2 and Desire Z General] ericc191:
He must be talking about the 8GB card.
[G2 and Desire Z General] dynamikd:
Ok you are looking at your sd card. If you look below that, it'll read between 1.2 to 1.5 gb.
[G2 and Desire Z General] sino8r:
Guys if you put as much energy into helping us with root instead worrying about something that tmobile will fix (if its hardware or ota) shortly... we would have hard root by now. plus there's the fact that you'd never use that much space anyways. I love having system space too.. I am a app horder. Have around 200 on here already with plenty of space left over. Just move the bigger ones to the sd card. This is downright silly. Yeah I would like to have what I paid for but would have bought the G2 anyways even if I knew it only had 2.5 GB of space. And you would have too... it will get fixed so stop worrying and enjoy your phone.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Viper Matrix Wireless:
I have an idea on the fix could be implemented:

An OTA would pop-up telling you that it will need to use your memory card for the process due to the fact that it going to need to delete that entire partition.

Hit OK/Update whatever. The phone will then proceed to download the ROM onto the memory card. The device will then shut off & reboot. It will then remove the partition & add its upgrade tools for FAT32 support. The partition will be created w/ FULL space. The ROM will then install via memory card onto the NEW partition. The device will reboot. The device will then delete the ROM contents from the memory card before setup can begin. Then setup & enjoy.

They are having issues getting root to work. So they are working on it.
[G2 and Desire Z General] ericc191:
I'd help root if I knew anything about it. :\

Like I said over in the dev thread, $15 dollars will be donated to whoever figures it out. It's not much, but it's what I can bring to the table.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Viper Matrix Wireless:
We need LBA support.
[G2 and Desire Z General] -RotorDemon-:
According to Astro I have 7.5GB free from the 8GB SD card that was included with the purchase.

In SD card & phone storage settings I have 7.38GB available and 1.18 internal available.
[G2 and Desire Z General] OllieD:
Fat32 And LBA.

Will you quit talking about things you dont understand. :p

Linux only uses vfat for sd cards and vfat is fat32 compatible.

Linux has had fat32 and lba support for many years.

This 2GB Limitation is most likeley related to the fact that the android system is locked to a 2GB system partition which could be fixed OTA.

It simply needs a kernel patch or system patch wherever android implements this limitation.:cool:
[G2 and Desire Z General] itp:
The FAT32 theory is off the mark.

Only the SD card is stored as FAT, because it needs to be mounted on the computer when a cable is plugged in. As Cyanogen himself pointed out (http://twitter.com/#!/cyanogen/statuses/25827932264) the G2 uses ext3 for its root filesystem, which has no issues with partitions larger than 2GB.
[G2 and Desire Z General] daijizai:
What are you talking about there hoss? The android system on the G2 does not have any partitions even nearing your hypothetical 2GiB barrier.

Personally, my current thought is that HTC either got a bad batch of eMMC, or that they hacked the kernel wrong and the kernel interprets the CSD register incorrectly thinking the device is only 2GiB and shows only the initial 2GiB.

The thing is, if this is an issue that can be fixed over an OTA, how are they going to shift the partition layout? the Data partition is surrounded by other important partitions.
[G2 and Desire Z General] OllieD:
Just Trying To Stop Blatantly False Data Clouding Judgements.

AFAIK Android As A System Doesn't Support More Than 2GB For Its System Partition.

Ppl Who Have Ported Android To Other Devices Have Recommended To Keep The System Partition Size At 2GB As People Using Larger Ones Have Had App Install Issues.

For Example:

NitDroid (Android On N900)

http://www.nitdroid.com/index.php?title=Noob's_guide_to_NITdroid Under Preparing SD Card.

"Make sure that the EXT3 partition is not bigger than 2048mb (2gb). Some people had problems installing applications with partitions bigger than 2gb."

And

http://www.nitdroid.com/index.php?title=N900-install Under Partitioning Step 3.

"The Android partition can only be 2GB"

This Isn't A Problem For Me As I Will Be Receiving A European Desire Z.

Until Someone Cracks Open The G2 No One Can Say They Haven't Supplied 4GB.

It Does Not Matter What The OS Reports As You Said This Could Be A Kernel Issue.

If As You Say The Partitions Are Surrounded Then This Would Just Mean You Would Need To Flash From A Computer To Fix The Issue And Repartitioning Would Be Fine.
[G2 and Desire Z General] daijizai:
Yeah, they are surrounded... Here are the mountpoints. /data is the internal storage. 25 partitions before it and 2 after.

/dev/block/mmcblk0p25 /system ext3 ro,relatime,errors=continue,data=ordered 0 0

/dev/block/mmcblk0p26 /data ext3 rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,errors=continue,data=ordered 0 0

/dev/block/mmcblk0p27 /cache ext3 rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,errors=continue,data=ordered 0 0

/dev/block/mmcblk0p28 /devlog ext3 rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,errors=continue,data=ordered 0 0

I really hope this can be fixed without a device swap. the flash for it might give the community critical detail on how to get the eMMC to take thier writes!
[G2 and Desire Z General] xile6:
Thats because ur looking at external
[G2 and Desire Z General] xile6:
I believe in the 1gb system 1gb ota 2gb data. It kinda makes sense. Also this is a new type of flash maybe thats were the root probelm is. The ota partion is a copy of the system an it restores it on boot if something doedmsnt check out. But who knows we only got 3 more days then we will know. Either way I like the phone an im haopy with it just want root an im good. If tmobile lied I want my bill to be credited some amount
[G2 and Desire Z General] daijizai:
Not really... Giving 1GB to a system that takes up less than 150MB is insane. 1GB OTA updates? What, are they pushing the library of congress to my phone, because that would be cool.

The numbers don't add up, and don't match the partition layout.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Viper Matrix Wireless:
All devices w/ larger than 2GB ROM are having the issue not just the G2.

Someone go look at the dmesg for any WebOS device & find out how it can support bigger space since its linux.
[G2 and Desire Z General] daijizai:
Please link to posts that support this with technical detail. I have been unable to find anything like this that provides proof.
[G2 and Desire Z General] MCbrian:
Why so hostile? What does this have to do with you? XDA used to be a lot more civil and productive before the hysterical ranters found it...

Grow up... :rolleyes:
[G2 and Desire Z General] Viper Matrix Wireless:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=8429414&postcount=307

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=8429161&postcount=306
[G2 and Desire Z General] xile6:
1gb system would be good the g1 got left when systen updates went above 60mb. So maybe tge os will be decompressed to be faster. Idk just throwing stuff out there. I dont care to much about the space problem tho and I think we should just let it go till next wk. We could be wrong or could be right. Wont know right now atlest. No 1 is gining us hard data on this
[G2 and Desire Z General] OllieD:
Linux Can Support Any Size. It Does Not Need Anything Doing To It.

This Is An Android Issue. Its Something Google Have Done.

WebOS Can Support More Space Because It Does Not Mess With Linux.

Android's Dalvik VM Is a Java Based Virtual Machine That Sits On Top Of Linux But Has Its Own Limitations. One Of These Seems To Be A Problem With System Partitions Larger Than 2GB. Dalvik Needs Fixing/Patching. Not Linux.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Gr8gorilla:
The point is that we are having a discussion about where the missing memory is, and people keep saying "Why does it matter, just enjoy your phone." Please tell me how that contributes any more to conversation than my hostile rebuttal.

I am just tired of people saying: "So what if T-Mobile and HTC screwed us, we should just lay down and take it and be thankful that they made anything to sell us."

As far as being hostile is concerned I am done.

The only evidence that has been posted so far shows two things:

A) There may be a 4GB chip in our phones according to one part number.

B) There is only 2GB of internal memory available regardless of how much is in the phone.

So right now, unless someone either has a unit with more than 1.3GB available space or someone tears down a G2 and gets the actual part number off the nand chip inside the phone, we don't know why we only have 2GB.

I don't feel like it makes sense to "reserve" space. The incredible has 8GB internal memory and it is all available in some way.

My problem isn't that the phone doesn't have all of the memory available for app storage, my problem is that I can't find the memory anywhere.

I also own a Vibrant. I have 16GB internal. It is set up as an internal SD card. I can find and account for all 16GB, if I take the number of bytes and divide by 1000 you get what the manufacturer says is in the phone, if you divide by 1024 you get what the phone reports.

This is not the case with the G2. With the G2 I can only account for 2GB. The other 2GB is nowhere to be found. That is my problem. Not what the memory is allocated too just where the hell is it?
[G2 and Desire Z General] Viper Matrix Wireless:
You sure the Droid Incredible shows all of its space & not just 2GB?
[G2 and Desire Z General] Gr8gorilla:
Here, Android central has a screen shot of the Droid Incredible showing 6.6 GB of internal phone storage space.

And the plot thickens..........

Although it looks like they did exactly what Samsung did with the Vibrant, they just called it "Internal Phone Storage" apps can still only be in stalled to the ROM portion.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Viper Matrix Wireless:
Still points to the same problem.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Gr8gorilla:
well not exactly, they can find their six gigabytes.
[G2 and Desire Z General] pak256:
Has anyone tried opening the phone up?

Don't know if this was suggested yet but has anyone tried actually opening up the phone and seeing how much physical memory is in there
[G2 and Desire Z General] lucidpriest:
Six Gigabytes that was supposed to be 8.
[G2 and Desire Z General] kludgineer:
You first. ;)
[G2 and Desire Z General] tehseano:
No, it's 6GB because manufacturers report space based on base 10, instead of base 2.

1 GB = 1024 MB

However the manufacturers list 1GB as 1000MB. So if you go all the way back to just bytes, you have 8,000,000 bytes (or w/e, I didn't add the actual number of zeros). Now the phone still divides that number by 1024. So when you divide it by 1024 instead of 1000, you get 6.6GB instead of 8GB. This is why when you buy a harddrive for your computer, a 1TB hard drive is really only 931GB. It's just a way for manufacturers to make more money.

All of you people here complaining about the "why should it matter, just be happy with it", are you smoking crack? How on earth would that fly with ANY other situation? If you smoke cigarettes, would you be ok with still paying $X.XX for a pack of cigs that only had 10 cigs in there vs 20? Would you be ok still paying the same price for a car that was listed to have a V8, but really is a V6?

We bought a device with the impression it has THESE SPECS, and thats why I early upgraded, thats why I spent the money I did. I don't know how on earth some of you can just sit back and say "oh its ok, I'm fine with 2". I don't know about you but that puts US, the consumer, in the raw end of the deal.

If any of you are cool with only getting half of what you asked for, I'd be glad to trade ALL of my $10 bills for $20's.....
[G2 and Desire Z General] Viper Matrix Wireless:
Yes because it says Internal Phone Memory not ROM memory. SD Card can support up to 32GB & they shouldnt make separate Internal Phone Memory & ROM Memory because you cant install apps to it & to me seems like another SD Card internally.

Calculations for DROID INCREDIBLE:

8GB PARTITION = 7.6GB. 7.6 - 6.6 = 1GB - 748MB = 252 MB OS ROM.

However, If they were separate partitions then more space would subtract.
[G2 and Desire Z General] greengoldmello:
That doesn't account for the missing memory in the g2. He just explained that the phone counts 1024 bytes as 1kb..where as the manufacturer advertises a rate of 1000bytes as 1kb..hence 8gb that htc advertised for the incredible would show up as around 7.8gb..and then minus the rom size and preloaded apps u have what's available.
[G2 and Desire Z General] :
Just for clarification all companies sell storage memory specs on bits instead of bytes. Which is where the conversion comes in, it's techincally correct, just used for inflated numbers.

For reference b = bits B= bytes
[G2 and Desire Z General] pak256:
I would but won't have the phone until tomorrow
[G2 and Desire Z General] lowpeezy:
Well I ran quadrant..and after it finished, I clicked system info. I checked out the memory and for total I says 379832kB, which is I'm guessing about 370mb of ram...are we getting shorted in ram too?
[G2 and Desire Z General] kludgineer:
Nope. Read the whole thread. The system only displays the amount of RAM not used by the radio and other underlying systems, so 380k is about what should be available to userspace.
[G2 and Desire Z General] ddgarcia05:
No, it's been discussed. I'm not familier with Android systems but I believe it was said to be in the radio. It's all been accounted for.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Jorsher:
Even though I started this thread, I have to agree that everyone should just calm down a little.

Both t-mobile and htc are aware of the issue and I'm sure it will be resolved soon after the phone officially releases. Right now there is plenty of memory for my apps. I can wait for the rest and I'm sure everyone else can too.

I'm not saying you shouldn't be upset about not having it or that it shouldn't be fixed, just that more phone calls and gathering of pitchforks isn't necessary at this point.

Give it a week or two and enjoy your phone as suggested earlier.
[G2 and Desire Z General] funkadesi:
Couldn't agree with you more. As of now we should just enjoy the device as it is. I have a firm feeling this issue will addressed in the near future.

besides.... as for the rooting/hacking/rom business.... hasnt started yet.

As far as i know theres only a TEMPORARY root available right now.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Neejay:
Someone from the cyanogenmod team's g2 was showing 3.?GB free (he bought it outright, off contract). Today he said he did the temp root, triggered a reboot, then now he is only showing 1.6GB free.