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[G2 and Desire Z General] seattleboi1982:
here is my online chat with them looks to be 1-2 weeks:

Kyle : Question(s)

is the HTC Desire Z unlocked and on the 850/1900 UMTS bands?

Andy : Thank you for your patience, how can I assist you today?

Andy : we do not have that one yet but we will soon

Kyle : your wesite says you do

Kyle : HTC Desire Z 850/1900 3G (Unlocked)

Andy : We do not have the 820/1900

Kyle : http://negrielectronics.com/htc-desire-z-850-1900-3g-unlocked.html

Andy : Oh excuse me i was looking at the wrong device

Andy : locked and 850/1900

Kyle : so its locked or unlocked

Andy : Unlocked

Kyle : if i order today and choose 2nd day air when should it arrive

Andy : You can place a back order on the device. we do not have them in stock yet

Kyle : when will they be in stock

Andy : our best guess is 1-2 weeks'

Kyle : so in other words i should wait

Kyle : or order now

Andy : if you order now you will be higher on the pre order list

Andy : meaning you will get it sooner

Andy : and your card will not be charged untill it ships. just authorized

Kyle : ok

Kyle : wel i guess i'll place an order then

Andy : can i help you with anyhting else?

Kyle : no

Kyle : thank you
[G2 and Desire Z General] CarlGalgano:
Kyle, thanks for posting that info. What did you decide to do? I thought you said in another post you may drive across the boarder and buy one from Bell (if that is an option). I have a preorder with them now, but dont want to wait another 2 weeks if possible. By then there will be another shiny cell phone to admire!

I will email Ryan Negri later today to see if I get the same answer. The guy at Omega Cell in Alberta said he does have them available for shipping as of today (11/3) but their website says ETA 11/3. Their website also says no web orders to the US, but again he told me they will ship to the US. Their price is $50 more and there will be some sort of currency conversion charge on AMX for the international transaction.

I dont have any friends in CA to buy one and ship it, and the closest I will be to CA in the next few weeks in PHL which is way to far to drive to buy a cell phone.
[G2 and Desire Z General] harolds:
have you looked closely at the specifications on this phone, this is NOT a Desire Z. I can't trust an on-line seller that can't get the little things right, and has a lot of negative feedback posted about them.
[G2 and Desire Z General] burtcom:
Yeah -- what they have there is the G2 -- which Expansys has in stock right now.
[G2 and Desire Z General] gtrab:
¿but they state "850/1900 MHz 3G"??????

I am confused :confused:

Well at least I am SURE about what I want and I MAKE SURE they understood what I wanted (the NAM 3G bands Desire Z)

Let's see what happens
[G2 and Desire Z General] Funk2641:
I've had mine on pre-order from Negri for quite sometime now. I guess we'll find out tomorrow.

I SHALL BE THE GUINEA PIG FOR ALL
[G2 and Desire Z General] awsrasool:
finally got it

So i just got the desire z from bell... and i have to say holy sh** crazy phone... went to futureshop and the source and they said that bell hasn't shipped the phone to them but they expect it later today...

The bell store has it though but they for some reason thought that the phone will be released tomorrow the 4th... I showed him the email from bell so he called someone and they are like they can sell it today...

it was 499 with no contract 129 with a 3 yr contract... i tried to get it as a pay as you go basis, but they said the system wont allow it.... And they wont just sell the phone without activating it...

Although great phone so far (3hrs :)) it seems to have the same hinge problem as the t-mobile version... I had to go through 3 phones to find one that is stable and firm when u open it... but got one that was good enough... they said if the problem gets worst then i have 30 days to return it and get a new one...
[G2 and Desire Z General] gtrab:
GOOOOOD NEWS !!

CONGRATS for being the first

could you please post a pic of the hinge in action ?? (I mean, holdingit upside down)

By reading the G2 forums I learned that's the way it is supposed to behave (as long as it "snaps" in place when fully closed / opened)

I'm so happy I edited post 1 and thread title
[G2 and Desire Z General] harolds:
No the specifications are not for the G2 either.
[G2 and Desire Z General] gtrab:
I compared it with the G2and seems like they just took the description from the G2, but the hardware (bands) are clearly different

@Funk2641

Make it two ginea pigs

I'm sticking w/ them unless they fail to ship
[G2 and Desire Z General] harolds:
Just to mention a couple of things that are way off the Desire Z & G2 specifications:

microSD™ (SD 2.0 compatible) expansion slot for all your storage needs 3.2-inch touch-sensitive screen with HVGA (320 X 480 pixel) resolution.
[G2 and Desire Z General] seattleboi1982:
i ended up just pre-ordering.
[G2 and Desire Z General] blk_jack:
Been calling around quite a bit today. Every place I called (Source, Future Shop, Bell store) that has the phone will not sell it without activating the phone first. If you're buying it off contract, that means at a minimum you would have to get a month-to-month plan (cancel after the first month) in addition to the activation fee of the phone.

I went into a Source location to see the phone and the one I handled suffered from the loose hinge problem the G2s suffered from.

The display model was solid as a rock, though.

They weren't sure how long it will take before they're allowed to sell it off contract w/o activating it..
[G2 and Desire Z General] bossmonkey:
I tried to buy it off contract at many different stores too, but none of them are allowed to sell it off contract.

You can however but it off contract on the source's website, and then have it shipped to your nearest store for free too.
[G2 and Desire Z General] LickTheEnvelope:
I got mine too. :)

Same hinge story. The DEMO unit they had was fantastic! But the first 2 they opened the hinges were VERY slippery. The 3rd was a little stiffer. It still slips, but only at the odd angles.

EDIT: BUT the phone is STELLAR (fast boot is amazing). I just killed my battery playing games (on purpose) and am charging it from 0% to get the battery going strong. :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] YOSEFE:
Congratulations guys. You Canadians lead on Technology.

You have raised our hope over here in the UK.
[G2 and Desire Z General] ok11:
I got mine too, but had to sign up for a month of service. Oh well. The phone is great except its still locked. I need to get it unlocked
[G2 and Desire Z General] blk_jack:
Could you give us an idea of how much you paid total (including Activation & 1 month of "month-to-month" service? I heard rumors that if you try to buy the phone from the Bell store they will only let you get it w/ a 1-3 year contract where as other stores will let you get away with a month-to-month activation.
[G2 and Desire Z General] LickTheEnvelope:
cellunlock.net has HTC Desire Z (Bell) codes.
[G2 and Desire Z General] sonofabit:
I got one from Futureshop without a contract. Ask them to try. Even though they say you can't, the system will let them. I asked a couple times before he would try. It was worth the effort.

Beautiful phone, but yes the hinge issue is real. I'll try it for some more time, but so far, it doesn't bother me. I say get it.
[G2 and Desire Z General] blk_jack:
Anybody gotten their Bell HTC Desire Z's unlocked yet?
[G2 and Desire Z General] seattleboi1982:
How much was it with tax?
[G2 and Desire Z General] trendz:
Today, I'm a happy man. I just got my HTC Desire Z from Bell today.....wow...amazing.

I was worried about the hinges and all though, but after talking to the guy, apparently the canadian versions have addressed the hinge issue. I'm not sure how accurate is that but I tested mine and did the whole holding it upside down thing and the keyboard sticks....so I didn't have to ask them to open another one :)

I'm happy. Just need unlock codes now.
[G2 and Desire Z General] blk_jack:
As I stated earlier. I had a box opened for me at a Source store today and there were hinge issues.. buyer beware!
[G2 and Desire Z General] BriEE:
Hey guys, forgot to post here...

Got one for my wife today (yesterday , nov 3) no problems at a Bell kiosk.

I was originally going in there willing to pay $35 activation with the either monthly plan of whatever or do pre-paid. Appears you can get it without paying anything but just the phone. Got it for $499+HST = 564 or so.

Basically prepaid there's no activation free with a new devices, it says that on the pamphlet anyhow so grab one of those things and read it out to the guys. It DOES work, you don't need a plan or pay anything up front. And tell them you'll set it up online at home which means no $10 setup fee thing. IF they want you to put money in the prepay the minimum is $15 needed for the higher /min rate. Try to say you don't want to put it in yet.

Anyhow, not sure if I even have an account really, they gave me a phone # but never charged me anything on the prepaid, so when I call to cancel, not sure if there's anything to do lol
[G2 and Desire Z General] BriEE:
And hinge issues, come on, when are you holding the phone upside down and just by the keyboard portion?
[G2 and Desire Z General] petard:
If you use the phone in bed you do. I will still buy the phone even with the hinge issue. It's stupid that HTC didn't just use a sliding mechanism and maybe even tilt, but went with this stupid swinging mechanism that has no advantages whatsoever.
[G2 and Desire Z General] gtrab:
If you want QWERTY you have no option

(unless you wanna go Mozarela Minestrone / Droid)

Why QWERTY Android options are so scarce ??

Sucks big time...

:mad:
[G2 and Desire Z General] petard:
The original Milestone JUST recently became a viable alternative now that it has a decent 2.2 CM6. The only problem with it is 256MB RAM as the processor can easily be overclocked to 1GHz.

I wonder if any NAM carriers are going to get the Milestone 2?

Either way, I think I prefer the Desire Z and will probably be getting it VERY soon.

Good QWERTY phones used to be everywhere. Ever since the iPhone hit it big, manufactures have focused on slates :(
[G2 and Desire Z General] Pickx:
Milestone may not have as many problems as Desire Z but it's not enough to have a keyboard - we need a decent keyboard otherwise the addition of the keyboard is a waste of weight and size.

Milestone has a tiny, crappy keyboard. Ask people who bought Droid/Milestone how long it took them to move to on-screen keyboards. Milestone 2 has a better but very cramped keyboard (I personally have not used it so I can't really pass judgement, but look at it - there's no spacing between the keys at all.)

Also, for the people trash-talking Motorola and Samsung... I think htc has done enough to tarnish its' own brand in the past year or so that they no longer have any distinct advantage over Motorola or even Samsung. They certainly don't make great hardware anymore, even if it's still pretty.
[G2 and Desire Z General] ok11:
Well, with Tax it came to just over $560 and i had to sign a one month deal of 50 dollars with 35 dollar activation fee. I tried to get a better deal, but the lady working there wouldnt budge.

The phone is amazing. The hinge issue exists but i dont think thats a deterrence. Im not texting upside down anytime, so im fine with it.

I got the Bell Desire Z unlocked online from http://www.htcunlockshop.com/index.php. Took an hour or 2 to get the code sent through email, but it worked!
[G2 and Desire Z General] CarlGalgano:
I read the specs pretty clearly when I ordered mine from negri last week. The 3G bands were clearly listed as 850/1900, but it is different now.

I spoke with Ryan Negri yesterday (via their online chat). At first I was told it would be 8 days before they could ship. I asked them to cancel my order and was told to hang on, then ryan got on the chat and said that since i had ordered a week ago, i would get shipped on thurs 11/4. supposedly they will receive 25 units today and I am one in the queue for shipment. I am taking this with a grain of salt. I will also verify today that this is the NAM version of the D-Z and not a Euro or a Tmobile G2.

I agree Negri does have quite a bit of bad feedback around the internet, so i am treading carefully. I dont think they are a scam or anything like that, i just think that they over committ and under produce. if this doesnt work out, i will probably order from omega cell communications in Alberta. they are more expensive, but i think they know what they have and said they have them in stock and ready to ship.
[G2 and Desire Z General] daft.71:
The phone is heavy. If you actually go and really try to only touch the screen part of the Z, gravity will win and the bottom part (where most of the weight is) will move down.

However, you'll never pick it up that way.

If I pick mine by the screen, while it's face up (which is kind of hard, seeing how the screen is lot thinner than the bottom part), as I say, gravity win.

If I pick it up by the bottom part (ie. the battery part) while the phone is face down, it doesn't much. The screen isn't really that much heavy and the mechanism is strong enough.

The phone mechanism is supposed to act that way. It's not an slider in the classical sense of the term.

It's a fantastic phone and a terrific upgrade from my Galaxy S Vibrant which SUCKS! (but has a beautiful screen, isn't the world unfair? :))
[G2 and Desire Z General] blk_jack:
You are correct in that the phone is not "solidly" locked at all times--but the hinge tightness does vary from device to device. I guess my main issue is that I'm not used to a slider like this that has give when you just hold it with the keyboard in a closed position in your hand.

My only fear is that the top & bottom will start separating when it's in my back pocket, etc.
[G2 and Desire Z General] daft.71:
I doubt it. If it does, then its because it's broken now and time for repair. That's the risk with mechanical parts in phones. Those things are eventually fragile.
[G2 and Desire Z General] CarlGalgano:
As a follow up to this post for seattleboi and others in the US looking for the D-Z. I had another "on-line chat" with Negri's sales people. They confirmed to me that the D-Z they are selling is "Bell" branded, so that means its the Canadian (NAM) version, despite what the specs on their website says.

He also told me they are expecting shipment today via FedX, so hopefully I will have my D-Z tomorrow.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Funk2641:
Negri Electronics is processing my order, and is shipping out today. I should have it tomorrow :D
[G2 and Desire Z General] ExTREmE99:
So overall is Negri safe to buy from? I tried to ask the rep via online if they had any in stock but they took forever to reply and had to leave after 20 minutes..

Im just looking to import the bell desire Z without paying more then 650 for now :p
[G2 and Desire Z General] gtrab:
when did you pre-order ??

I pre-ordered on Oct 22 and was scheduled for today

I'm contacting them right now

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[G2 and Desire Z General] Funk2641:
I pre-ordered 10/19. Apparently I was the very first pre-order :D
[G2 and Desire Z General] CarlGalgano:
Me too... i know there has been a lot of bad things said about Negri, but not from me. I thought they were good to deal with and communicated quickly regarding questions about stock, shipping, etc.
[G2 and Desire Z General] CarlGalgano:
I think it is perfectly safe to buy from them, but I think their website want back to "pre-order" status for the D-Z. When I inquired about that yesterday they told me they had 25 coming in today and they were all sold, and not expecting more stock in for another 8 days. I would say you can order from them with confidence, if you dont mind waiting a week. The only other retailer I found that would ship to the states is Omega Cell Communications, but they are more expensive. Their website says web order only in Canada, but I traded emails with someone there and they said they would ship out of Canada.

One word of caution.... if you live in the US and import a phone from a Canadian dealer, be prepared to pay some sort of "currency conversion fee". This is NOT the difference in exchange rate (the USD and CAD are almost 1-1 these days), but a BS fee your CC will charge you to do the transaction. I bought my Milestone online from SN Traders and was pretty pissed off when I got my AMX bill... its not the retailers fault, its your CC. So dealing with Negri (US based) may be the cheapest option for those of us in the US.
[G2 and Desire Z General] CarlGalgano:
You should be IN... I ordered on 10/28 and got shipped today. Doesnt hurt to follow up however..... the squeaky wheel gets the oil.
[G2 and Desire Z General] gtrab:
chating with ANDY @ NEGRI right now...

BTW where's all that "bad feedback" comming from ??

I my experience, up to date I can't complaint, these guys have great comm (which is basic)

Let's see what they have to say, I'll keep you all posted

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[G2 and Desire Z General] Funk2641:
I've had nothing but good experiences with Negri. I've ordered three devices from them, all legit, all on time

:confused:
[G2 and Desire Z General] gtrab:
As I stated before, its my first time w/ them , but up to date they seem to have great comm (which BTW other stores are missing)

and... YESSSSSS

They confirmed mine is shipping today too !!

I'm feeling groovy

Where's my citar ??

:D
[G2 and Desire Z General] CarlGalgano:
gtrab, congrats..... overnight shipping to el salvador?
[G2 and Desire Z General] gtrab:
No I have to wait a little

shipping from US to SV is very fast indeed, just 2-3 days,

plus customs clearance

Anyway I'm happy because the NAM version was originaly scheduled for december,

and for the very first time we seem to be getting a just-released HTC phone on par with our EURO counterparts

Using NAM bands has always been a pain in the arse, just staring at the euro/asia versions for months

(remember how much we had to wait for a NAM version of Diamond, Kovsky, Blackstone, Rhodium, Topaz, HD2, etc etc ??)

Maybe it was BELL who lend a hand :)

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[G2 and Desire Z General] ExTREmE99:
Alright thanks for the replies, I think im going to wait a few more days in hopes that you guys recieve your phone then i'll make a order/pre-order. The credit card bill just came so i can wait a few more days :p
[G2 and Desire Z General] CarlGalgano:
Agreed... i just want a phone with a keyboard, and in the android world (except TMobile versions which are of no use to me), they have been few and far between.
[G2 and Desire Z General] CarlGalgano:
no phone is worth paying for over a long period of time, so probably a good idea. in another week there will be another new phone to get excited about, you will forget about the D-Z and the cycle will start over again.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Red John:
Paid $499 + tax for a total of $525 CAD at a Wireless Wave kiosk. No activation required, no extra fees. Guy asked his co-worker, "can we sell this thing unlocked?" Before he could answer I cut him off and said yes. Haven't unlocked it yet for my carrier, but I love this thing so far.
[G2 and Desire Z General] CarlGalgano:
I got a tracking number from Negri!!!
[G2 and Desire Z General] Raspster:
I also agree.. Bryan from nergi helped me and the comm was outstanding!! Best I've had in a good long time!! Mine will be in tomorrow also. Anyone know if this bad boy will take advantage of AT&T's 4g with a sim upgrade when AT&T turn it on? I know the bell D-Z can do the 14mbps.
[G2 and Desire Z General] gtrab:
It should, theoretically speaking

PS @CarlGalgano: I just got my tracking No. from Negri, too

So far so good, let's check the goods when they arrive ;)

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[G2 and Desire Z General] BriEE:
I'm guessing in Alberta??? No full HST 13% tax?

Yes they can sell like this, they just need to activate the phone # or something, but costs nothing! My wife is very happy with her phone! Bye bye iphone4!
[G2 and Desire Z General] CarlGalgano:
Glad to hear that. the tracking still does not show the package as picked up (or dropped off), but i dont know if they are shipping from wisc or cali. overnight service, delivery by 3pm. i have a very early morning appt and wont get to the office til 10 and dont think anyone else will be there either. I hope it doenst come too early.

Edit: package picked up and on its way..... shipping from California.
[G2 and Desire Z General] ExTREmE99:
What are they using to ship the phones? Fedex express?
[G2 and Desire Z General] CarlGalgano:
yes, fedex. i paid and extra $26 for overnight shipping and glad i did. standards shipping is ground and it ships from california so to the atlanta area its 5-6 days via ground.

For you Id save the money. The origin point on Fedex says Costa Mesa (isnt that near San Diego?), you may get one day ground service to the Bay Area, certainly no worse than 2.
[G2 and Desire Z General] ExTREmE99:
Oh cool, if you guys have any issues i can look up the tracking # i work at fedex ;)

Im going to order it tomorrow pending on how you guys get your phones.Thanks for being the guinea pigs :D
[G2 and Desire Z General] seattleboi1982:
what store did you order it from? and what province?
[G2 and Desire Z General] gtrab:
good to know, thanks for the hand

mine already says "in transit" :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] blk_jack:
Picked up my Desire Z from Future Shop today. Had to pull a few strings to get it, but luckily I have a friend who works at one. Not sure what he did, but I think most places will basically force you to activate or sign something in store.

Just paid $24 at http://www.htcsimunlocknow.com/

Will report back to see if their unlock code works.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Red John:
That's at Park Place Mall in Lethbridge, Alberta that I got mine... unlock code from cellunlock.net and she's running like a dream.
[G2 and Desire Z General] awryter:
I can't be certain of this, but I'm pretty sure that on Rogers, the phone is only using the 1900Mhz channel.

I had the same problem when I put on a European ROM on my Galaxy S which didn't have 850Mhz support.

Is there any way to see what band the phone is connected to, like a debug screen or something? It could just be the area that I'm in, where 1900Mhz is stronger than 850, but I am consistently only getting 1-2 bars on Rogers, and it often switches over to EDGE in the middle of data transfer.
[G2 and Desire Z General] burtcom:
Damn -- I might have to drive up there if I don't hear anything from Expansys soon :)

/Montana
[G2 and Desire Z General] Red John:
For what it's worth the phone is definitely using 850 on Telus, otherwise I wouldn't have any service at all.
[G2 and Desire Z General] trendz:
Glad to hear that Gtrab!

I just got mine on launch day and this phone is sooo worth the wait. Build quality is really good. Hinges on mine are tight and htc sense is nice.

I unlocked my phone through cellunlock.net for 20 bucks and got the code in a matter of minutes of ordering...running it on rogers with no issues.
[G2 and Desire Z General] ianmcquinn:
Support for Band I?

Does anyone know if this NAM version of the Desire Z also supports Band I UMTS (i.e., 2100) for international compatibility? I know with the G2, there was initially confusion on whether or not that version did, but it ended up being confirmed that the support was there despite the product listing stating only Band IV support.

I've been waiting for a QWERTY Android for AT&T for a while, but would really like Band I support for when I'm traveling in Asia...
[G2 and Desire Z General] gtrab:
GSM phone? yes

3G data? no

http://www.htc.com/ca/products/desirez-bell#tech-specs
[G2 and Desire Z General] seattleboi1982:
BestBuy.ca shows it for sale on their website. and they can sell with no contract. waiting for negri to refund the pre-order money and will buy it there.
[G2 and Desire Z General] ExTREmE99:
How would you buy it from bestbuy.ca? Do you have a connection in ca to purchase it for you or does best buy ca ship to seattle?
[G2 and Desire Z General] seattleboi1982:
driving up and purchasing it, its a 2 hour drive for me