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[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] callmecooper:
This is true. The HD2 can support all the speeds, that t-mobile can supply at the moment. But, 4th generation is different than HSDPA.( 3.5g) although it may be as fast or faster, its a different technology if im not mistaken. I cant remember where i read that.

But yes, if you can see the "H" instead of the 3G, you are taking hold of the HSDPA network speeds. "H" is the new 3G.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Apache0c:
From what I understand, most of the United States will have HSPA+ by the end of the year. They have already announced the rollout here in Southern California. All 3G T-Mobile phones automatically support HSPA+ and the HD2 supports speeds up to 56Mbps.

Here is a post about the rollout.

http://androidontmobilehd2.wordpres...hspa-goes-live-with-21mbps-theoretical-speed/

Here's a post showing 4+ Megabit and I think I've seen one that is 5+ or even 6+.

http://androidontmobilehd2.wordpress.com/2010/09/04/more-testing-shows-t-mobile-superior/
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Nismo300zx:
with one of the sense builds i hit about 5Mbps...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] djflmmbl:
I just did a speed test and it was 11mbps...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Reno_79:
I think there needs to be some clarifcation on this. HSPA+ is NOT true 4G. speeds on HSPA+ are potentially faster than 3G or HSDPA but not comparable to true 4G.

LTE 4G is about 64Mb/sec (but can be up to 100Mb/sec)

WiMax enabled 4G is 128Mb/sec.

The HD2 supports NEITHER of these as the hardware does not exist in the phone itself.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] tednelson83:
i have had it in my area, and i can say it is damn fast! way faster then 3g. you tube videos are almost instant in winmo. i havnt found android to be stable for more than a day before it locks up, so i dont use it much, but in the miri v22 rom the internet is blazingly fast...except up the hill at my girlfriends house, im lucky to get EDGE up there. im in southern california about 30 miles north of LA. i had been wondering what the H was for a few days when i got a text from t-mo telling me that they had just activated 4G in our area, and that some phones (like the HD2) were already compatable. i would quote the text exactly, but i have flashed since then.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] kwill:
This dudes about as right as it gets. HSPA+ rollout will increase the data speeds of all current 3G phones on Tmobile. Not meaning you will get the FULL benefit of HSPA+ though, it'll just be faster than HSDPA. Phones such as the G2 will have the ability to take full advantage of HSPA+ due to additional hardware\software or whatever. Believe me, I'm in the Austin area and you can tell the difference and if you run mobile speedtest weirdly enough your speeds will increase as you run higher test. But, I've gotten 6-8 mbps easily with various test and if I go up to the 2mb and above the speeds starting showing 11 mbps and up, which I don't believe though. Could be though.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] msoler8785:
Here is info about it right on t-mobiles website http://t-mobile-coverage.t-mobile.com/#
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] gsmtmofan:
Yeah, he was nowhere close to being correct. NO current tmobile phone except for the G2 is HSPA+ compatible. The HD2 is a HSDPA and the 'H' on your screens means that you are connected to HSDPA which theoretically supports up to 7.2 Mbps as opposed to original 3G which was just 3.6 Mbps. Yes, if you are in an area that is upgraded to HSPA+ you will see an increase in speeds because the infrastructure has been upgraded to support higher speeds, but your phone will NEVER support HSPA+ and will thus never reach speeds above 7.2 Mbps. Which brings me to my next point below .....

You are a f%$king idiot. Turn off wifi. Your HD2 will not connect at 11 Mbps on a cellular network.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] maniep:
I am not sure if this is on WiFi or regular 3G or H mode.

On my phone the WiFi is turned off, but I am not sure if the ROM has the WiFI build in it :confused:.

But it clearly shows on Androit it is lighting fast.

I was curious and then tested it againts a PC, and the HD2 was way faster to execute the tests.

What do you guys think about speed. Is T-Mobile capable of it?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Caligirl2828:
Is the upgrade in Southern Cali currently affecting data connections now? I'm having issues with consistent data connections on both Android and Windows Mobile, and the Windows Mobile I just noticed today! :confused:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] malaeus:
so, can anyone confirm HSPA+ speeds on the hd2? HSDPA speeds are nice (PPP) much better than HSPA/HSUPA. just wondered if i could get even better, more reliable connections.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ruinertt:
The HD2 is NOT able to connect at HSPA+ speeds, end of story. It will "use" the HSPA+ link, but it will not go higher than 7.2Mbps if I recall.

That is a phone hardware restriction I do believe.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] cbmm:
i was wondering what the "h" was, lol
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] secano:
What!!?? Very incorrect info...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] djflmmbl:
I did not have the wifi turned on at the time that i did the spreed test.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] kwill:
I meant he was close in saying that the speeds will be faster than what you see on HSDPA if you're in HSPA+ area. As I said, you won't get full benefit, but you may see the HD2 FINALLY reach the 7.2 mbps cap that it has due to the increased speed on the network. You would never see that with just HSDPA unless you were posted up on the cell tower.:D I mean, read the article and it clearly states every 3g phone will benefit from the upgrade. Doesn't mean FULLY benefit. I meant, it's on the Tmobile website and I doubt they're just making it up.

And to the guys point above, I mentioned earlier that you are now seeing all kinds of wacky figures spit out from mobile speed test. And it gets higher as you go to higher data tests (2mb and above especially), which I'm sure is incorrect, but it's saying something about the speed.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ounkeo:
HD2 is HSDPA. HSPA supports both HSDPA and HSUPA (where i live).

There is a hardware/software restriction on the device (most current devices) that restricts down and up speeds to a certain maximum. For instance, 3600 kbps down, 384 kbps up.

For HD2 to have access to HSPA, HTC would have to release a new handset with the technology built in. Our current device max limit is HSDPA.

Either I'm wrong or someone is spreading false info about hspa for HD2.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] :
You are correct. No phone that T-mobile currently sells is capable of HSPA+, however all smartphones that are 3G do have the capability of HSDPA. The only product T-MO has right now that is HSPA+ capable is the webconnect rocket for mobile broadband. The G2, coming out October 6th, will be the first handset capable of HSPA+. I work for t-mobile and this is something we get asked everyday.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] johnnyboyya:
ou guys what if my download is 886 and my upload is about 956?? is that wierd i did it in an area where i have 2 bars
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] robkoehler:
for the people getting unrealistic test results, what are you using to test? For example, the screen shot a few posts back shows a webpage that is not accurate at all. Use the speedtest app on your phone, or tether your pc and use the speedtest webpage for an accurate measurement.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] kwill:
I think people are caught up whether it supports HSPA+ or not. Which is totally different from whether or not your data speeds will increase without having a HSPA+ designed device. If you read anything about HSPA+ you'll find that yes specific hardware is needed to take full advantage of the speeds. But, HSPA+ benefits any 3g phone with increased data speeds as it's not like Sprint's 4g where the device has to have specific hardware to use it. Just read Tmobile's site and it will help folks understand.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] EvilDylan:
I got 6 mb/s tethered to my laptop, and the highest i've seen on my android HD2 untethered is 4.6 mb/s
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] velcrobandits:
I got a text message from T mobile saying HSPA+ was rolled out in my neighborhood and my phone supported it...im still getting 2 mb/s which is slower than I even got on my Blackberry...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Trv06kviper:
WiMAX is considered a '3.5G' Technology, HSPDA+ and LTE are the only '4G' technologies available at the moment if you want to get technical. WiMAX is marketed as 4G the same way HSPDA+ was supposedly a turbo charged version of 3G however, for classification terms and the way they access information and use of spectrum, WiMAX is a 3.5G technology while HSPDA+ is a 4G, Thanks FCC
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] touge_ninja:
i can confirm to this. you dont do anything. if you have HSPA+ on your area it will automatically pick up on it.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] motoman234:
Thanks for the info, good to know.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] t69broken:
17 mbps

I got that result using an android build and going to mobilespeedtest.com I thought it was ridiculous to so I tried it 5 more times with a 7mb file and consistently got 15-17. So the hardware does support it according to this site.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ckjy:
mobilespeedtest is notoriously unreliable and can greatly overreport your actual speeds. Try locking your phone's connection to GSM/Edge only. It reported my Edge connection as 2Mbps (it shouldn't be any higher than 200-250 Kbps). Yes, Wifi was disabled.

Try testmyiphone, http://testmyiphone.com/dual_test/dual_download.php?do=test&testsize=6000&type=4 . It's considerably more accurate.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] lude219:
This thread is so incredibly stupid. What's funnier is that the amount of noobs and veterans who have no ****ing idea of what they're talking about.

The HD2 doesn't support HSPA+

The HD2 doesn't have HSPA+ hardware/radio

The HD2 has a max of 7.2Mbps HSPDA...HSPA+ is +21Mbps

And for those who wants to see the big picture, TMobile HSPA+ is slower than AT&T's HSPA....and came out like a year later.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] velcrobandits:
a. You seem like a really angry dude and theres no reason to call people "incredibly stupid", just tell people what you know

b. every resource i just looked up cites AT&T hspa+ service maxing at 7.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] velcrobandits:
For those who wants to sees a n00b ^
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] :
Any idea why the tmobile website says "your favorite phones just got faster with hspa+" and has a picture of the hd2????

As of now, im saying it would be possible.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dkb218:
I agree with everything you said right up to the point you lost your mind and said T-Mo is slower than AT&T.

Speedtest on the new G2. Run AT&T Run... or crawl.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dkb218:
While the HD2 can't take full advantage of the HSPA+ network, HSPA+ allows the HD2 to take fuller advantage of the HSPA network. Think of it as a one lane highway expanding to 4 lanes. While the car you were driving still can't go over 90 MPH, you can now hit 90MPH because the road is more open.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] velcrobandits:
I got a text msg from T Mobile saying my phone is compatible with HSPA+. To what degree? Dunno. My friends w/ a Mytouch didn't get the text message. Why would T Mobile go out of its way to be selective? Im still getting ****ty speeds compared to older phones and my windows hspa speed. Any way to fix Android TMO speeds? The TMO optimized builds and APN settings dont fix the speed...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] malaeus:
thank you :) that is what i was looking for

nice to see you live up to your namesake. lude.... also, hd2 has hardware support for HSPA+ just not HSDPA+WiMAX (WiMAX freq unsupported) like evo 4g. HSPA+ is 11mbps in most areas

also. HSPA is standard 2/2.5g (edge) HSUPA is 3g, HSDPA is 3.5/4g (minus wimax) HSPA+ is evolved HSPA and technically is faster than 4g. (again, minus wimax. thats not cell signal thats wifi)

so if att is faster than tmo for you, then you must just be close to att (they love to block out tmo because of the iphone.....)

just like walking into an apple store and losing tmo reception. even though you had 3g outside.

HSDPA and HSPA+ have hardware support, just the HSDPA has software support. devs would have to crack the wireless chip to recognize HSPA+ signals. (like the wifi only iPad running cracked 3g)

have fun being a troll.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] kcab87:
The HD2's max supported speed on T-Mo network regardless of HSPA+ is only 7.2mbps. When they says your device just got faster, they mean that your device can now get closer to the theoretical max speed of 7.2mbps. The only devices that are faster are the webConnect Rocket 2.0 and the G2.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] hav0c:
4G will have another frequency band so it will not be possible with the HD2.

Supported network bands of the HD2(EU/Asia)

HSPA/WCDMA: 900/2100 MHz

GSM: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz

4G LTE will use another band (probaly 2600MHz) so it will require another phone.

Obviously your operator can call anything "4G" in the commercials ;)

Officially 4G = LTE (or wimax in some countries)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] lonelykatana:
Id enjoy full 3G coverage first, thanks. Up here on angelsey, I know of only 1 place where i can get HSDPA, and 2 where I can get 3g. And Im talking about 1 mile stretches of road....
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] erick10:
Are you sure the T-Mobile HD2 has hardware support for HSPA+? I don't think it does. Can you elaborate more please?

Even if it does, I hate how my HD2 signal switches from Edge-3G-H. Checked on my T-Mobile 3G coverage map and its says

it says my area has "Very Fast Mobile"

T-Mobile GTFO!!!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] kwill:
So stupid you didn't know ATT hasn't rolled out HSPA+ yet. Only testing it. And actually, the only reason they are (as they were heading towards LTE) is because Tmobile rolled it out and they were at danger of losing the claim of fastest network.:p

Secondly, as I pointed out...NO PHONE CURRENTLY SUPPORTS HSPA+, but the beauty of HSPA+ is that 3g equipped phones will get higher than normal data speeds. Which as I said, means you might finally see that 7.2 mbps that your phone claims to transfer.:D Exactly what the guy below states.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ccmks:
Never trust the theory of speed in the communication wireless. Come think of it, when somebody told you for example 3.5G which is up to 7.2 Mbps (standard with boost) actually you may just get 25-35% of it. It is also applied to the HSPA+ in T-mobile, WiMax 4G Sprint where they claim the speed more than 21+ Mbps. I have seen many people outside there are showing the real result (find in youtube, it's real not advertisement) and they got around 25-35% of the max result that the carrier claimed.

Always think that there a lot of factor will affect the bandwidth test. The traffic is the one of factor that the most affect the internet speed.

Hopefully, it will help you.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] schoei1:
Speed Tests

Speed tests make it more and more harder to believe your real speeds. I used the SpeedTestNet app today during a major storm. The numbers you see where the download is lower than the upload 595down 1249up are when I increased the CPU to 1190max 998min. The larger numbers with the download 1656 is when my CPU is set at 422max. That is what I use daily, and the speeds are no different using the internet and PPP. That is why I also getting 19hrs on my battery. DON'T BELEIVE THE SPEED TESTS.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] maniep:
If ATT is faster than Tmobile, then look at this test screen I am posting and see todays results from everyone. :D

Even if my test was not accurate, like some people here are saying, and everyone else that did the test was, then Tmobile shows faster results than other networks tested anyway.

I assume the test is conducted the same way for everyone who uses it. ;)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dbiggss:
I have never seen a thread more riddled with inaccurate information and some truths in between. For those of you who provided the correct info, I am just reaffirming- for the posts that have information from a fairy tale novel, this will steer us back in the right direction.

Lets clarify that HSPA envelopes the terms HSDPA and HSUPA; the latter two terms simply refer to the uplink or downlink speeds. In most cases, the speed of the network generally just refers to the downlink speed. True 4G refers to LTE, regardless of what the operator wants to call it.

Firstly, AT&T's network is definitely not faster. T-Mobile upgraded their entire network to HSPA (7.2mbps down link and basically referred to as 3.5G) well before AT&T.

Although AT&T introduced their 3G network (usually just referred to as UMTS) well before Tmo did, tmo still benefits from having a newer and more capable 3g network (hence the reason that AT&T's HSPA+ will only have a theoretical peak of 14.4 mbps and Tmo's HSPA+ has a theoretical peak of 21mbps). AT&T teeter tottered back and forth as to whether or not they would even introduce HSPA+, but finally got intimidated by tmo and decided to go with hspa+ prior to rolling out LTE. The theoretical peak is not what someone can truly expect from the network/device-it is sort of comparable to a subwoofer with 300 watts peak and 50 watts RMS-

To date, Tmo has the largest HSPA+ footprint compared to Sprint's so-called 4G WiMax and it is faster than wimax. Wimax and HSPA+ are in no way related.

Any Tmo phone that was released by HTC starting at the G1 has the capability to take advantage of 3.5G, or HSPA 7.2.

THE HD2 IS NOT AN HSPA+ PHONE AND WILL NEVER BE ONE!

THE G2 WILL BE THE FIRST HSPA+ PHONE FOR TMO and can achieve a theoretical push of 14.4mbps, BUT THERE WILL BE MORE Phones TO FOLLOW SOON and Tmo will evolve their network to 42mbps next year.

Here is an analogy of how the HD2 would work with HSPA+ compared to the G2:

We will call the hd2 a Camaro and the G2 a Ferrari. HSPA would be a two lane US highway and HSPA+ is the Autobahn. Now, the camaro and the ferrari can both go fast on the US highway; however, put both cars on the Autobahn and, although the camaro will have the opportunity to go faster and be uninhibited, it will still not have the capability of performing as well as the Ferrari.

Hope this clarifies.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] lude219:
AT&T hate from people who are on one of the worst network in the US, LOL. I guess all those PC Reports proclaiming AT&T as the fastest network in 2010 are wrong then. I mean, their 3G network is no better than AT&T's EDGE, and their HSPA+ is only good for 5 other people in the whole country who can even sustain a good signal. How's the constant switching from EDGE <-> 3g <->H going on for you all? Not saying that I want Tmobile to disappear because competition is a benefit for us consumers, but the declining number of subscribers along with crappy network sure dont help them staying afloat.

Maybe Deutsche Telekom should just let their TmobileUSA subsidiary merge with Sprint and call it a day.

Well look at that. 22Mbps, lol. I don't know where to start. There's so many things wrong with that picture but it's bad enough that you're on Tmobile so I'm just going to let you enjoy that. Congrats on the speed.;)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dbiggss:
I am not sure what your trying to say here, but I can only assume that you are being condescending.

I don't hate any technology company, with the exception of maybe apple, but at least I'll admit and give logical reasoning behind why they suck.

Ultimately, your argument brings absolutely no conclusive evidence and is filled with a bunch of ambiguous rhetoric.

To top it off, not only does it show that you pay absolutely no attention to previous posts, but you are trying to imply that AT&T's network is better- by posting benchmark results that show results that aren't even half the speed of Tmobile. Hmm....ok...that makes sense. At least post some results that are skewed in your favor

I guess I deserve having to read this; after all, I knew what I was getting into by posting to this thread.

Anyway, thank you! I will enjoy the Tmobile network-

no need to be jealous, AT&T will get better eventually; hopefully they won't have to make excuses and blame their garbage network performance on the "so-called heavy usage" of beloved iSheep. Be optimistic, they might even get an iPhone that can keep up with the army of android phones that are out...I'm sure that will make you happy. I think that some people Here are in the iCloset.

Regards,
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] maniep:
I will enjoy the speed. ;)

I have tested My Tmobile HD2 againts several Sprint Evo's on 4G, several fast PC's, Iphone's, etc. and for some reason, no one can execute and finish speed test, web page loading, etc, faster :D.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] anhyeuemmaimai:
To the dude that claims HD2 @ 56mbits that's wireless G and not T-mobile's network. The HD2 actually supports wireless N once you enable it in the registry. Problem is that if you are using your HD2 as a tethered device, you are only going to get a MAX of 10Mbits (NDIS conenct- you can verify this by checking your network status and it will show a connection speed of 10Mbits/sec)

7.2Mbits is the fastest you are going to get on T-mobile's network. If the device was capable of more, they would not limit the NDIS to 10Mbps.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] chiasoft:
Well said! THANK YOU! I was just about getting annoyed reading all this back and forth BS on people thinking they know the differences.

The only HSPA+ device capable of utilizing the full "21mbits" is the T-Mobile Rocket Connect something.

You need to use the "halfsie" rule with mobile broadband. If the device max is 7.2Mbit, expect an average speed of around 3Mbit. Even when TMOUS upgrades to HSPA+42, your max will be limited to device max and the halfsie rule. Those who is showing off the so called "22 mbit" speedtests, tether to your laptop and download a microsoft patch, is it actually downloading @ 2.7MB/sec? NO, because those script based speedtests are all inaccurate due to caching. Either that, or you are on wifi.

Although, I believe the HD2 AND the Nexus One is HSDPA 10.2 capable; giving you a theoretical average of 5Mbit/DL. The good thing with HSPA+ is once activated with full speed, it will increase all HSDPA capable devices UPTO the DEVICE's MAX as well.

And one last thing, AT&T has the $h%ttiest network in NYC. I don't know where it actually works fast, but definately not in nyc.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] EvilDylan:
Here's my result from the iphone site.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] EvilDylan:
Tried again with speedtest app.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] shamusl:
I get 4500kbps down and 2000kbps up which is wonderful even if its only HSDPA and not HSPA+