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[G2 and Desire Z General] vdefender:
Looks like 800 mhz 512 ram is confirmed. Also I noticed that the slide out keyboard does not have the same pop out hinge as the G2. It is a regular slide out :/

Source: Engadget. I guess I'm not allowed to post links.
[G2 and Desire Z General] kholk:
4GB RAM?!?!?!? Are you CRAZY?

The only thing that can be of 4GB is the storage NAND :P
[G2 and Desire Z General] gtrab:
chill out,

many people often confuse RAM with ROM

...and being a sybling to the current G2 and desire Z, considering the latest reports of "only" 2 GB ROM (1.3GB free) in both phones, my guess is this one will finish sporting that same ammount as it's brothers
[G2 and Desire Z General] Mirko935:
What is the big deal with "only" 2 GB ROM? Isn't it used only for apps? Do you people really use more than 2 GB of applications on Android? I never filled the ROM on my Touch Pro, and it has like, what, 256 MB, if I recall correctly.
[G2 and Desire Z General] gtrab:
Indeed I agree, that's why I remarked "only"
[G2 and Desire Z General] Mirko935:
Yes, yes, I know, I wasn't wondering about you, but about those guys in the G2 subforum that filled 13 pages about those 2 GB.
[G2 and Desire Z General] gtrab:
Yeah 2GB (or "1.28GB" or whatever it has free) is way more than plenty,

but I also understand their concerns @ G2 fora:

since they were "offered" 4GB, they feel cheated...

My guess is all HTC Vision variants will share those 2GB

which, again, I think is great

.
[G2 and Desire Z General] kholk:
Well guys, Android devices are different from WiMo ones.

On WiMo I was never installing anything on device storage, putting all on SDCard because at the old times the internal NAND was somehow slower than SDCards...

And however WiMo was using NAND constantly so it's good to make the apps to being read from external storage, or a storage that isn't used for reading OS data (see HTCDiamond, no SD but internal storage chip).

On Android the NAND isn't used so much constantly and with my old Motorola Milestone I've experienced NAND storage out of space: on Android you can install so much apps and generally you need more apps than WiMo phones (experienced personally), so the storage space is importan, especially with Android 2.1.

Now that we've got FroYo and apps2sd integrated by default we'll need less NAND space for apps and we can execute them on SDCard, but note that newer NAND chips (since the one integrated in the HTC HD2.. including Desire Z's eMMC) are so much faster than a Class6 MicroSD card, so that it's better to install some apps on NAND.

Anyway, if it's 2GB, 1GB or 4GB I think that it's the same: you won't ever install more than 300-512MB of apps on NAND because if they are running at the same time you will slowdown the OS.

IMHO, the important thing is that we've got MicroSDHC slot. I can sadly remember the hard HTCDiamond days....
[G2 and Desire Z General] Zaim2:
Isn't it a bit of a stretch to call it a "brother" when it has a different codename, hinge, screen size, older version of Sense and a different keyboard layout? The closest similarity is the 800mhz chipset, at even that's a slightly different (7630 for CDMA support, as opposed to the 7230 in the Vision).
[G2 and Desire Z General] gtrab:
No.

Screen *is* the same.

*Everything* is the same, except for the hinge & radios (and the keyboard layout)

source: pdadb.net

Let me re-phrase this:

"Just like the HTC Desire Z, this is a new android QWERTY phone from HTC, 800MHz SoC, 4.9MP cam, 512MB RAM, 1.9GB ROM, 3.7" 480x800 screen, 1300mA battery, etc..."

sounds familiar ??

Ain't 'em brothers ?!?!

ah... whatever...

.
[G2 and Desire Z General] firebert:
hmm..t's black. Wsh the G2 was black instead of dodo brown
[G2 and Desire Z General] Coderedpl:
Because of reading the news about this, I'm seriously considering selling my droid 2 when this comes out for the sole reason that HTC phones do get rooted and unlocked with no problems but with this moto crap its annoying.
[G2 and Desire Z General] ZooK4201107:
I have owned the HTC Merge since 4/6/2011. This phone is the best smartphone I have ever owned. I have had a hero rooted with ext2 & moto milestone. This phone destroys those & most phones. It would be cool if someone gets theres rooted bc the overclock can run at 1.8 easy

ZooKs ADR6325 using XDA Premium App
[G2 and Desire Z General] ZooK4201107:
It has 2GB of internal space,a 5MP camera,512MB of ram,a 8GB Memory Card,(a min CPU OF 800MHz) & a few other things.

ZooKs ADR6325 using XDA Premium App
[G2 and Desire Z General] mputtr:
it's simply the desire Z CDMA edition with .1" screen bigger.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] gmichaelow:
So I'd like to gather some data to see which is the most battery efficient kernel.

To eliminate variances with 3G / Wifi / Brightness / ROMs / Battery size, I'd like to look at only the CPU power consumption, which is really the only thing a kernel changes. (That relates to power efficiency anyway.)

Now, how do we do this? Essentially we want to measure the power used by the CPU compared to the load placed on it.

Going to "Battery Use" we can see various %s that break down what uses what battery. And tapping on "Android System" leads to a screen with the "CPU Total" time. I believe this is a pretty accurate measurement of the amount of load the CPU has been placed under.

Now that we can find the load placed on it, we need to find how much power the CPU drew. Simply multiplying the "Android System"% by "Total time since unplugged" will give essentially how many minutes of power the CPU took up.

Now, dividing load by power consumed should give us, in effect, the "power efficiency."

For example, my numbers are:

10h 20m since unplugged. = 620 min

Android System: 11%

CPU Total: 7m 15s = 7.25 min

So, Android System used (620m)(11%) = 68.2 minutes of power.

Load = 7.25 min.

Load / Power = 7.25 / 68.2 = 0.10627

Step by Step-

1. Find time since unplugged. Find "Android System"%. Find CPU Total time.

2. Time since unplugged * "Android System"% = Power

3. CPU Total time = Load

4. Load / Power

5. Post along with kernel =]

If you guys are interested in doing a test, please:

Have the kernel flashed for at least 24 hours before doing the test. And have at last one complete discharge cycle. (Some say kernels need to "settle")

Set to 998/245, governor to on-demand. (Use SetCPU)

For HydraKernal, please go into Advanced and change Sampling Rate = 20000. Up Threshold = 95. Ignore Nice Load = 0, Powersave Bias = 0.

Run as long as possible (as low % as possible), and then do the calculation.

Please post:

Kernel

Load / Power ratio. (5 decimal places)
[Droid Incredible Android Development] gmichaelow:
Adrynalyne's Battery.zip Kernel:

DQed. On-demand freezes.

Adrynalyne's Battery.zip Kernel(AOSP):

Hydra's SS Undervolt:

0.086993

KingKlick BFS #5:

KingKlickAOSP BFS #2:

Koush's Test:

0.68333

Stock:

Stock (Koush's):

Virtuous Custom Kernel:

PS Ordered alphabetically xD

PPS Higher is better. (More load for less power)
[Droid Incredible Android Development] larsrya8:
Where do you factor in the CPU frequency and voltage?
[Droid Incredible Android Development] daftlush:
Doesn't it matter what max speed and governor we use.

I think we should all test w/ a max of 998MHz using the "on demand" with NO custom profile. (since every kernel/phone can do this)

Or, am I wrong?
[Droid Incredible Android Development] larsrya8:
The CPU clocks down when you turn the screen off (that's why music sometimes will skip shortly afterwards). Tasks that are using CPU time while the processor is clocked down (and using less voltage) will obviously take longer, but overall use less power (because of the lower voltage).

Some kernels have Conservative as the default governor; how would switching the profile to On Demand represent those kernels accurately?
[Droid Incredible Android Development] invisiblek:
If ur battery life sux, and you are on the latest radio, flash back to 07.28. I did that last night and have over 60% battery left 24hrs later.

Thanks jermaine151!
[Droid Incredible Android Development] gmichaelow:
Ah, thanks for the feedback, I thought I might be forgetting something. Stock speed for anyone testing.

But I don't think the governor will matter. Conservative will take longer to scale up, and will have a lower CPU Total time, but will also have a lower power draw.

So I think the ratio will hold. In any case, if we get enough testers, we'll see xD
[Droid Incredible Android Development] larsrya8:
Fixed it for you.

Higher CPU time but lower draw is not what your equation assumes.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] gmichaelow:
Ah, you sir are right.

How about we run everything exactly as the kernels come?

So basically, no using SetCPU. I think it's a reasonable assumption that the dev would make the kernel use whatever they thought best.

Perhaps in the future there will be room for a test with SetCPU, but for now, run everything w/o SetCPU.

Hmm, to remove OC variable, no OCed Hydras. Only SS undervolt.

How's that?
[Droid Incredible Android Development] larsrya8:
If 6 minutes of CPU time on one kernel isn't the same as 6 minutes of CPU time on another kernel (On Demand vs Conservate, etc), I don't know how you can compare the two using CPU time. I also don't have a different metric in mind :(
[Droid Incredible Android Development] gmichaelow:
No no, that's exactly what we are comparing! =]

We want to see how much power 6 minutes of CPU time is on various kernels, out of the box.

Sure, we're removing the aspect of SetCPU tweaking, but this will give an "out of the box" benchmark.

The whole point is that two kernels are going to perform differently. The question is which will come out ahead! :D
[Droid Incredible Android Development] daftlush:
Not every Kernel has Conservative (koush.test and koush.test2) but i think all have on-demand.

Ultimately, we should compare all the kernels at different max speeds with all governors, but let's see if we can start with 998MHz on demand.

Also, I think it best to use SetCPU. We need to set/limit variables and SetCPU is the best way to do that.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] gmichaelow:
This. Okay, so it's settled (mostly). 998MHz on-demand. But what about the min setting? Do you think all the min should be set to 245? Because adryalyne's kernels can have 128 as min.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] daftlush:
Yeah, 245 since every kernel has it.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] gmichaelow:
All right, it's ALL settled now.

998/245. On-demand. And let the testing begin! =]

(Unless there's anything else?)
[Droid Incredible Android Development] daftlush:
koush.test2: 245 min, 998 max, on-demand.

3h 15m since unplugged. = 195 min

Android System: 4%

CPU Total: 5m 20s = 5.33 min

So, Android System used (195m)(.04) = 7.8 minutes of power.

Load = 5.33 min.

Load / Power = 5.33 / 7.8 = .6833

I didn't "have the kernel flashed for at least 24 hours before doing the test. And have at last one complete discharge cycle" because I have never read that "kernels need to settle."
[Droid Incredible Android Development] gmichaelow:
Haha, yeah okay. Going up. Using 5 decimal places though =]
[Droid Incredible Android Development] TylerD004:
Great thread.. I hope we get tons of data soon..
[Droid Incredible Android Development] larsrya8:
Do you at the very least have the phone in airplane mode? There are several things under the "Android System" heading; on CyanogenMod for instance, Account and Sync Settings, Google Backup Transport, Network Location, etc are listed. What if Accounts and Sync fires up during one (and only one) of your kernel tests? Or Google Backup Transport? Or a weather widget requests your phone's location?

I notice you're using the percentage that Android System used, but you're not comparing it to any of the items that don't use CPU time (like the Display). Android System's percentage is going to change a lot if the Display (or WiFi, or GPS, or the Cell Radio, or a combination, etc) consumed 10% vs 80% of your battery. And if you're doing this on a Sense ROM, the percentages listed under Battery Use are wildly inaccurate anyway.

You're gathering data without knowing what that data even means.

But I'm done; just wanted to ensure that anyone who stumbles upon this thread (like TylerD004) aren't lead to believe that your results were derived scientifically, or are in any way accurate or useful :)
[Droid Incredible Android Development] gmichaelow:
Hmm, I understand what you're saying. You think that, because some people will use use their phones more heavily one day than the other, that the data will be inconsistent?

I'm going to disagree. Because if I use my phone more, then I will have greater Load, but ALSO use greater Power. Thus, I believe the ratio will remain the same.

You pointed out that "Android System"'s % will wildly vary, but I think that's okay. It doesn't matter how much power anything non-CPU related uses, because that's not what we're measuring. I believe

(Time since unplugged) * (Android System %)

will always reflect how much power the CPU used, independent of anything non-CPU related. Sure, "Android System"% may be knocked down if "Cell Standby" sucks up like 50%. But a decreased (%) and an increased (time since unplugged) will come out the same I think.

Do correct me if I'm wrong?
[Droid Incredible Android Development] HuskerWebhead:
subscribed....looking forward to what comes out of this thread.
[HD2 General] ottsixx:
I just updated to the leaked 3.14 Tmobile leaked update and it works great for me with android. just goto [Link]RUU_Leo_1_5_TMOUS_3.14.531.0_Radio_15.42.50.09U_2. 14.50.04_LEO_1.5_Ship

anyone else find that this newer update works for them also??:)
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] swyner:
I have been unable to unlock my Bell SGS. Here's the history...upgraded to the Froyo version that made the location KOR (forget which version this was) but did the fix that removed the unlock PIN and SIM pin issue. Then I downgraded to the original Bell software and is now upgraded to the most recent Bell software via Kies. On the surface, looks like IMEI on phone matches the box, no real trace of the KOR (used a HEX editor on that nv file and it already said BMC) but tried to put a Fido sim card in, use the unlock code from varies methods and even tried the master code from Bell...nothing, won't unlock for any other carrier!! HELP!!!

Thanks
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] Electroz:
I had this same issue on my 1st galaxy s. I just returned it and the replacement unlocked with no issues.

One thing I didn't try was inputting the unfreeze code first. Might be worth a shot.

Put in the other providers sim card. When the unlock window comes up, enter the unfreeze code, then the unlock code and see how it goes.....
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kubernetes:
I'm curious if it's possible to get digital out through the micro-usb port. I'm looking into a portable amp/DAC combo and like to deal with the just the bits.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dattaway:
The question might be, what is the best way? It can be piped through a tcp/ip stream, usb, or bluetooth. Just depends on how you want to patch the code on both ends.
[Android Apps and Games] oriondr:
I've got an Evo 4G/Supersonic with Sense, so I'm not sure how widespread this issue is, but I'm sure many people have noticed how when you visit certain websites (say, for example, the Engadget "full experience"/non-mobile version of the site) that the loading bar will periodically appear at the top, reducing the amount of screen real estate for content. This bar will also not go away until it is done loading.. whatever it is that it is loading.

Does anyone have any solutions to this? A different (better) version of the stock android browser? A better browser (that doesn't look horrible, and/or use up more screen real estate inherently)?

I've tried out many different browsers, but have yet to find one I actually prefer to the stock browser - and really, this background loading this is my only major gripe. Opera comes close, but its UI is pretty clunky (IMHO).

Any suggestions?
[Android Apps and Games] lagu805:
how about steel or xscope?

steel is very minimalist.. i love it

xscope, u can hide the address bar to view it full screen.. check it out
[Android Apps and Games] oriondr:
I actually just tried Steel (and uninstalled it) before making this topic.

One interesting thing is (with Swype at least) you have to press 'cancel' to 'go' when you enter in a URL. Overall it seemed fairly buggy. Nice looking interface though.

I'll check out xscope, thanks :)
[Android Apps and Games] PaiPiePia:
Engadget has it own app, it loads in mobile friendly format but still keep the pictures and comments and without having to jump through the loop of going back and forth with the browser. It saves on battery as well since it doesn't have to load all the extra junk that's usually on the right side of Engadget (like popular posts, most discussed, Facebook integration, etc, which is what I expect was causing the extra loadings).
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] stricklerjosh:
Has anyone messed around with this or used it for the hero? It works well on my buddies HTC incredible.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] knowah:
It works, but do not buy the premium version unless you just want to donate. The premium version doesn't add roms to the list like it claims it does.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] XGodOfModzX:
Works fine on my hero

Sent from CDMA Hero running froyo. Do you have it Sprint? I think not!!!
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] knowah:
Not sure what I'm doing wrong then :/
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] Vrekk:
It "works" but for me everything tends to work better when I flash using the unoffical RA 1.7 that darch has.

Could just be the placebo effect but :D
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] XGodOfModzX:
I like clockworkmod better. Better than putting a zip in the root of the sd card and renaming it "update.zip" everytime you flash something in recovery.

Sent from CDMA Hero running froyo. Do you have it Sprint? I think not!!!
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] bk718:
why do you rename it update.zip every time??? :confused:
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] XGodOfModzX:
Because you can't explore your SD card in RA recovery. In clockworkmod, you can.

Sent from CDMA Hero running froyo. Do you have it Sprint? I think not!!!
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] KelbosBlowed:
When you enter the flash zip sub menu in RA it list's all the zip files on the root of your SD with no need to explore. At least in mine it does.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] feefeeboomboom:
The key to that statement is "root" of sdcard. Clockwork mod lets you put the zips in folders. Not just the root.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] bk718:
i know that.. i was just askin why do you rename it every time?? it will show up regrdless what the name is..
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] ahager88:
Agreed. Senseless right? :p
[EVO 4G General] edufur:
Well it has been fun trying all the ROMs but I decided to go back to just a rooted latest OTA and this is the smoothest its been.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
CSB

10chars

Sent from my Evo beeesshh
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chrishornet:
can i put the app on my stock rom, i had better recording with it.
[General Questions and Answers] nikmel420:
does anyone know of a program that will record sound something like voice recorder but that can run in the back ground so its always recording
[Captivate General] shamelin73:
It is nice to have a QuickOffice available to create docs.

However I use MS Office 2007 at work and am not able to open the files.

Anyone else have this issue and or a fix?
[Captivate General] labbu63:
try checking compatibility mode when saving files in MS Office 2007
[Captivate General] shamelin73:
Well dint think of that. Will look into that for the files i create but the files that get sent to me are from many different people and i cannot have them all do that.

Ty for the info.
[Captivate General] clburk:
Try version 3.3.4

Works for me opening .docx files.
[Captivate General] shamelin73:
sorry but what version is the one that came with JH7?
[Captivate General] k2snowboards88:
Save your files in office using the file types that don't end with an 'x'. For instance, use .doc, not .docx.
[Captivate General] Pmac25:
3.3.4-AMS is what is showing for me
[Captivate General] clburk:
After updating to JH7, I still had version 3.2.47 . Unistall Quickoffice and then reboot.

The new version should now show up.
[Captivate General] shamelin73:
This is what mine shows as well. Just won't open anything from Office 2007. I did try to save a document with Word and told ot to save as 2003 and it Will open. Just when i ge files from other people I can not tell everyone to do that.

I think this version Will not work with the native Office 2007 files.

Ty all for the help.
[Captivate General] gremmie:
Im having tons of issues with upgrade...but i did down load quick office from market says version 3.2.47 ... i can create documents word and excel
[Captivate Themes and Apps] rkorzuch:
I have seen a few different ROM's with colored Icons in the setting menu and I have searched this thread and I haven't found any MOD's out there to do it. What am I missing?
[Captivate Themes and Apps] majinzen:
Use Metamorph. It will do what you're looking for. Most of the morphs are in the Nexus One forum but I've used them without issue. The worst that can happen is they don't apply but they won't break your phone so just try them out.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mikeydread007:
I have noticed for the last month not being able to send a MMS or reply or send gmail email. I think this started after installing Baked Snack 1.7 ROM from Damage Control 3.2 ROM. I have since tried to fix it by installing Fresh 3.3 ROM, radio 2.15.00.09.01 and WIMAX 26023. The error i get when trying to send MMS is generic network failure. All other functions of the phone work normally as far as i know. Anyone else run across an issue like this?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mikeydread007:
Anyone have any suggestions?
[Vibrant General] jordanjf86:
Where can I find the stock kernel in update.zip format so I can flash through rom mgr? I know its posted somewhere but I can't find it. Thanks
[Vibrant General] SamVib:
If you would search, you will find.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=733792

Face palm. I was kinda of in a rush and forgot about the "update.zip" part.
[Nexus One General] Macmee:
I can use pingchat, gmail, the market all perfectly fine. But my web browser doesn't work. It says there's no connection. Can I fix this :O
[Nexus One General] danger-rat:
Bit more info may help. What ROM are you using? Are you on wifi or not? Have you tried alternative browsers, etc?
[Nexus One General] Macmee:
Not sure about which rom but it was a custom one I got from here.

Dolphin doesnt work but opera does, too bad opera is pretty bad :(

No wifi.
[Nexus One General] khaytsus:
Probably need to check proxy settings, maybe your APN requires it.
[Nexus One General] GlobaL_TroTTer:
Yeah. Check proxy settings if u r on cyan, if u can't reset it, reboot
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] fnu8897:
looking for someone to please help me root my droid x 2.2 official update. tried universal androot but didnt work cuz i tried after i updated please help.
[Captivate General] Krad:
34 megs... probably pushes out GPS update..

check it!

http://www.samsung.com/us/support/downloads/SGH-I897ZKAATT
[Captivate General] born_fisherman:
Nice :) I've been back and forth on androidforums with this post http://androidforums.com/samsung-captivate/185812-jh7-firmware-upgrade-successful-through-kies.html using Kies (UK version) to get the OTA JH7 update.. I'm tempted to install it now that I have mine working.. but I don't want to be the guinea pig - so let us know when you try it!
[Captivate General] Krad:
trying now.. think it is specific for just firmware upgrades only.

it is not seeing my phone. gonna try a reboot.
[Captivate General] Krad:
specific just for upgrades... very pretty app. took a few minutes to get it to work....

Says i have the latest software version of....

2010-9-10

I am guessing we should see an upgrade in the next day or two for the gps....