yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[G2 and Desire Z General] :
Guys,

There is no point moaning about it, you have one of two choices to make:

Either you accept being shafted by HTC's mega prick and keep your orders, and accept their media blackout as to the problems, and total lack of customer service.

Or do as i did and cancel and wait for something better, and to be treated a little better by a classier company?

Sorry to be so blunt and brutal, but HTC have messed up build quality on the HD and messed the Z up totally.

and what do they show you, the loyal customer for paying your 500 hard earned pounds... The preverbial FINGER;)

JD:p
[G2 and Desire Z General] simbloke:
I'm wondering what else I could get, trouble is there's just aren't many phones with a keyboard. Milestone 2?

N8 (but I've had enough of Symbian)?

Can't think of anything else :confused:
[G2 and Desire Z General] faugusztin:
It't not that simple, yes, there are Desire HD's with problems, but not all, it's a small minority with build problems. For example the Desire HD i bought on Sunday (i canceled the Desire Z order at Amazon because i couldn't keep waiting for another delay) has no build problems, no proximity sensor issues, none of the problems listed in Desire HD forum.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Neuromansa:
I'm seriously considering to cancel my preorder and get an imported 'hinge-fixed' G2.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Lennyuk:
well that would be rather silly seen as the "hinge fixed" g2's are not due out till the end of the month so will be after whenever the z is due out.
[G2 and Desire Z General] filippoz:
I am really desperate for this phone as stuck with E T39m for over a month ... overall patient but getting frustrated ... how sad is that

btw. was there a problem with updating normal desire to A 2.2? anyone?

PS. JD - you need to change your signature :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] Neuromansa:
If things keep on going like this, fixed G2s are gonna come out before this phantom device...
[G2 and Desire Z General] :
haha;)

Yeah i know:(

Wished i didnt have to, as this phone looks mega... But we have not been treated right through this whole saga.

I hate Apple with a passion, but they really do know how to deliver a product(white iphone withstanding;p)

JD
[G2 and Desire Z General] Pickx:
Wait... hinge-fixed G2? Please explain.
[G2 and Desire Z General] jr_enver:
Really

So surprised to see so many people waiting for this phone.

HTC seem, in my opinion, to have a format when releasing Keyboard based phone. every other release is rubbish.

for example

TYTN.... iffy

TYTN2... good phone

Touch Pro.... rubbish phone

Touch Pro 2.... good phone

Desire Z.... will be rubbish

Stuck with a TP2 and can’t wait to move to android. but this aint the phone to get in my opinion

with the desire z i have real issue with a few things.

1.) the power port is on the side. (so no portrait one handed docking for us, if you forget to cradle your phone before you start driving you'll have 3 choices. Pull over... not dock the phone or drive with your knees)( you get a text late on a night, oh look i have to half get up to redock my phone)

2.)Keyboard, as it's been said before the TP2 has the best keyboard except the lack of a "tab" button. we've now gone back a step to a 4 row keyboard with a tab button...?

3.) Hinge with no tilt...... well the hinge problems say it all

the processor annoys me slightly.....

I’m having to wait till next year to c what comes out.

can’t bring myself to buy a medioka device. the keyboard will annoy and so will the power on the side.

always seems to be the way with HTC two steps forward and one back.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Lennyuk:
the Z has a tighter hinge than the g2's however t-mobile didn't want to delay any release so they went on regardless.

Rumour is that the new improved hinges will make its way to teh g2's in america around the 20th November.
[G2 and Desire Z General] penguin20000:
power on the side won't be that big of an issue, not for me at least as i've been using the X1 since it's release & it's power is on the side.

Also it's illegal to touch your phone whilst driving in the UK anyway so you'll have to pull over anyway :p
[G2 and Desire Z General] jr_enver:
Lol yeah ok and we all obey that law don’t we. we all have voice dial setup for all contacts and always dial out in this way...lol

Fair enough that the power won’t be an issue for you. and i think a lot of people may feel this way.

Spend a lot of time driving, getting in and out of the car and this will be a pain for me.
[G2 and Desire Z General] oneshotaz:
I am also tired of waiting, been expecting it since October 6th! I am thinking of cancelling it and getting the Dell Venue Pro, at least the release date seems more confirmed
[G2 and Desire Z General] penguin20000:
Of course we all do ;)

Incidently i just had a look at the Brodit mount for the Z & it looks like it might be possible to 1 hand dock, after practice anyway... Not sure what mounts you use but i've always used the Brodit ones
[G2 and Desire Z General] jr_enver:
The dock i've currently got (which ive used for my last 3 phones) is a cheep PDA holder from Halfords. i've glued a HTC Pr-USB to Audio/Mini usb ect. adapter in the right place to charge.

ahh these Brodit things look ok. may be a solution.

still not getting a desire Z. the charge thing maybe sorted but not going back a step with a crap keyboard.
[G2 and Desire Z General] brononi:
NOT FUNNY!!!

Just recieved a mail from pdashop.be:

Translate: maybe 12/11/2010 instead of 05/11/2010
[G2 and Desire Z General] penguin20000:
more chance of me getting one in the first batch :D

also the keyboard will be a million times better than the one on my X1 that has been slowly dying over the last year :(
[G2 and Desire Z General] CarlGalgano:
Dont know what this means to you guys in Europe, but I am looking for a NAM version of the Z. As far as I know I will have to buy a Canadian one since Bell Mobility has announced they will carry the D-Z, but no US carrier has plans so far.

I inquired with SN Traders if they have a Euro or NAM version of the D-Z in stock and here is the reply I received:

We do have the euro version for now. And nam version may be next month but no exact time for now.

Please check back later.

Best Regards

Naveed Qureshi

SN Traders

Seems weird a retailer in Canada would have the Euro version but you guys cant find them in Europe. Their website says Desire Z and makes no mention that this is a G2. The freq specs listed are also 900/2100.
[G2 and Desire Z General] schriss:
I was thinking, I own TOUCH pro2 too. Maybe keyboard will not be that bad. There are two programmable keys on the right side and I will most likely map them with Left/Right. Also there is the pad we are forgetting about, it might serve as Up/Down/Left/Right when writing posts. If so, it would be quite good. The only annoying thing is lack of number row but if it allows to type quicker, then I can live with it.

No tilt not good, but I realized I used it only when putting phone on the desk, not that often.

Re processor, I'm not worried about it. It overclocks to 1.4GHz so it's more than enough. Even at 800 MHz it's destroying older phones in all benchmarks. The new 1.2GHz phone I have read about today will probably use the same CPU, just clocked at different speed.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Roachie:
Just got an Email from Pdashop.nl

NIEUWE LEVERDATUM 12-11-2010

----------------------------------------------------------------

HTC Desire Z QWERTY

so delayed!!!!!!
[G2 and Desire Z General] jr_enver:
my TP2 keyboard still good after 18 months, H playes up every now and again, sound like a telly tubby some days....ello...lol

go for it penguin20000. hope it's good for you.....

personally each year HTC go down in my opinion. (hardware faults, released date issues, customer NON-service, carrier issues)

even concidered the Milestone 2

if SE brought out a good keyboard based phone would probably go to them.
[G2 and Desire Z General] brononi:
Same here in Belgium (is of course the same).

They're laughing with us...

We've got your money...

You've got nothing...

Maybe HTC needed some money to invest in their products before they can start producing one?
[G2 and Desire Z General] jr_enver:
schriss sounds like your trying to convince yourself.....

no numbers will be a pain.

i hear you about the tilt. not offten i put it on the desk either, and could probably live without it.

but my issue is why should we do without it. the old hinge was good, it worked and had more functionality then the floppy once on the desire z.

if int ait broke dont fix it.
[G2 and Desire Z General] snudel:
they did not charge me yet.
[G2 and Desire Z General] schriss:
HTC doesn't have any problems with money. Stores usually do not charge before shipping day.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Lennyuk:
No shop ( at least in the UK) should be charging you before items are shipped/or ready to ship.

Sometimes they will charge early but let you know this (due to admin when there will be massive back orders)
[G2 and Desire Z General] Roachie:
Well i mailed them back asking " WHY! Is it your fault ? or HTC's ? how come ... give me a reason!" ..

If they wont give a good reason ill cancel my pre-order and than just wait for 2nd or 3rth batch.. cause this is killing me.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Lennyuk:
Well most places now seem to believe they will get stock on the 5th, 8th or 12th

Ultimate HTC stores seem to think the 5th, most other big name stores say the 8th and a few after that say the 12th so it seems to fit htc's usual profile to me.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Capt ZZzzz:
electricpig have a review unit so it can't be long now

not allowed to post url :mad:
[G2 and Desire Z General] Lennyuk:
the review has already been posted at least 5 times today :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] Pickx:
Okay, HTC's incompetence lately is really pissing me off. I've pre-ordered this a while ago, cancelled my pre-order, pre-ordered it again now that they will apparently start shipping this week and now they are delaying it again.

I'm not sure this phone is worth this hassle, since clearly it's going to arrive in beta state (otherwise they wouldn't have delayed it so much) and the hinge is most likely not going to be fixed. Plus, I'm not sure I want to do business with a company that duplicates the G2 design several times (Desire Z, Desire Z NAM, HTC Merge) without even bothering to fix the hinge design...

My money doesn't grow on trees. Are there any alternatives to this phone in the foreseeable future?

How about the Worldwide Edition Droid 2? Though the keyboard looks like crap.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Porcelina:
The press contact in HTC responded to my email today. She said that it was always indended that Desire HD was to be released before the Z, and that this week is the week for the Z. However, she said that there had been some last minute issues with the Z (she didn't explain this any further) but they hoped to make their deadline anyway.

I have replied to her email asking for a more certain date, and to ask what those last minute issues were :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] schriss:
I would also be interested to see any Android phone that can be compared to Desire Z.
[G2 and Desire Z General] jr_enver:
Yes please, any info on any Desire Z style phones due out soon.

Milestone 2....any others?
[G2 and Desire Z General] WDawn:
My order just got delayed too till 12-11 instead of 05-11. Sigh.... (Smartphoneshop.be)
[G2 and Desire Z General] Xtreme XL:
same here (pdashop.nl)........again a delay
[G2 and Desire Z General] Roachie:
we should all just cancel our pre-orders for the way they treath us... you can buy on the day of release just not pre-order.. make them worry for a while about wtf they are doing to us..

My heart cant handle this anymore :()
[G2 and Desire Z General] :
I hope samsung release a mega phone on the 8th, everyone then will refund;)

I used to love HTC, but they have lost the plot, completely!

JD
[G2 and Desire Z General] ralphje:
You actually won't hurt HTC, but the retailers who can't do a thing about it.

I really don't see the point of cancelling your pre-order. You pre-ordered it because you want the phone. Now it's delayed, you suddenly don't want the phone anymore?

And, if you wait until it's available, you still want the phone, and you will buy it anyway, which is just the point of pre-ordering.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Lennyuk:
exactly, cancelling your pre-order will not do anything other than delay you getting it even more. First stocks will probably be entirely taken up with pre-orders and priority sales anyway so if you cancel you order and order after release you might be waiting another few weeks for more stock.
[G2 and Desire Z General] :
Would you actually want a first batch phone anyway? Especially on HTC's past experience with faulty first batches?

JD
[G2 and Desire Z General] ralphje:
Why would you then have pre-ordered in the first place anyway?
[G2 and Desire Z General] schriss:
People are loosing minds here....

What is that new Samsung phone someone mentioned? Is it the Nexus Two?
[G2 and Desire Z General] Pickx:
Don't worry, your batch will be faulty as well :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] hamish909:
If the Desire Z we receive will have a hinge problem you reckon HTC will replace it free of charge under the warranty?
[G2 and Desire Z General] Porcelina:
Slashgear's review is out now too :)

http://www.slashgear.com/htc-desire-z-review-02111799/
[G2 and Desire Z General] penguin20000:
hrm interesting tweet from Paul @ modaco

"Yay! Desire Z shipping from tomorrow, NOT in constraint so it'll ship straight away! \o/ I prefer it to the HD tbh..."
[G2 and Desire Z General] Lennyuk:
yeah I just asked him how he knows, as its strange that he says this when everyone else announced more delays today
[G2 and Desire Z General] penguin20000:
especially when he linked to the Modaco deal @ SuperETrader who said earlier today delayed till end of week/maybe next.

Maybe they have actually been told they're getting them tomorrow for sure now? (doubtful)
[G2 and Desire Z General] Lennyuk:
Clove just contacted me (we have a good contact there) to say they are getting their first stock tomorrow, not sure how many though.
[G2 and Desire Z General] muminisko:
http://cdn.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/htc_desire_z_review_33-580x298.jpg :eek::eek::eek::eek: such solution may not be strong enought
[G2 and Desire Z General] Lennyuk:
Just got an email from supertrader too saying back in stock
[G2 and Desire Z General] penguin20000:
must... not... get.. excite...
[G2 and Desire Z General] penguin20000:
yep says in stock, 10+ in stock on superetrader!

Also just got 2 emails from them, 1 saying back in stock & a reply to an email i sent the other day saying in stock tomorrow :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] Lennyuk:
Im not in clove batch one but should be in batch 2 (depending on how big batch 1 actually is)
[G2 and Desire Z General] gtrab:
patience is a virtue...
[G2 and Desire Z General] penguin20000:
oh i'm guessing i'll be in batch 10 or something like that, but to know that it's actually shipping :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] oneshotaz:
Clove just updated the phone's status to

First stock arriving Tuesday 3 November

I guess they mean Wednesday, which is tomorrow. Hopefully no more delays
[G2 and Desire Z General] Lennyuk:
If you read my post a few minutes a go (top of this page) you will see that I already said this.
[G2 and Desire Z General] oneshotaz:
I did actually, just wanted to show that they also updated their site so ur contact is a great person :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] Lennyuk:
lol, I would hope he was right, would not be happy if he lied to us, but no reason for him to do it, they want our money :D
[G2 and Desire Z General] schriss:
I assume they will be working 5 shifts tomorrow to make sure we all get our phones shipped with "same day delivery" option.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Lennyuk:
Clove said they don't know how many will be in batch 1 but they are sure it will be enough to put them at least 1 "in stock" so beyond all current orders.
[G2 and Desire Z General] mashed_ash:
It depends on what Google were testing. The hardware between the G2 and Desire Z is pretty much the same (though there are some differences with ROM sizes etc), but the software is very different from the G2, as G2 does not have the HTC Sense UI.

As both the Desire HD and the Desire Z have failed the tests than its safe to say its the software that has failed as these are the only 2 devices with the latest HTC Sense.
[G2 and Desire Z General] dazbradbury:
It could be something to do with the new version of HTC Sense?

Or it could be an excuse to deflect attention from the real problem?
[G2 and Desire Z General] muminisko:
On other hand... Look at the G2 subforum: http://xdaforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=751 there is a lots of complaining about rom/software quality. If release delay give me better software in the box I'm all in.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Neuromansa:
How is it even possible to complain about stock 2.2?
[G2 and Desire Z General] gtrab:
Complaints ?? some...

...but T-mobile has stopped taking G2 orders due to the "owerwhelming demand"

source

...and the aftermarket price is rising

In the end, it's just a Google phone ("gPhone") made by HTC

so the bang vs bug factor is still awesome

.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Neuromansa:
I'll flash stock 2.2 as soon as I get root on my Z. I can always get back to the original sense rom.

Anyway SuperETrader has confirmed October 29th for UK. Sigh.
[G2 and Desire Z General] stian230:
+1 I prefer a;) stok 2.2 with launcherpro
[G2 and Desire Z General] mrvanx:
To the veteran HTC customers here this wont come as much of a surprise tbh :)

Personally ive had to return both my Hermes (HTC Tytn) and Raphael (HTC Touch Pro) within a month of buying it due to faulty/buggy hardware.

On the Hermes the touch screen calibration was drifting off slightly per day, HTC corrected this no problem. And on the Touch pro the touchpad LEDs became faulty.....again sorted no issue.

I welcome a delay to delivery if it means the device is tip-top out of the box ;)
[G2 and Desire Z General] lovelldr:
You must just be unlucky... My TP2 (Rhodium) was perfect from the off. Got it on as soon as came out, and worked fine until I needed to claim on insurance for the screen cracking...
[G2 and Desire Z General] mrvanx:
I did buy them literally when they first came out (Hence the Serial numbers in my sig). In my experience its better for HTC to get them out having identified and fixed an issue rather than wing it :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] gtrab:
I am always trying to catch the first phone from the first batch, too :D

In my experience (TyTN, TyTN II, Diamond, Topaz, Kovsky, etc etc) I've never had problems with HTC-built phones

Maybe just luck factor MrVanx
[G2 and Desire Z General] bled82:
Because the g2 is not stock android 2.2 froyo . They removed tether and added a bunch of tmobile junk and other junk apps that can't be uninstalled .
[G2 and Desire Z General] muminisko:
Last info from expansys is:

The official information we received from HTC is this:

Latest is that new HTC Desire HD has failed Google TA (Google TA = means Technical agreement) and is going to be delayed. We are not expecting shipping to commence until mid to end of October because of this from HTC factory in Taiwan.

Desire Z is scheduled for TA on the 11th, we will know more after this date as again this is subject to Google TA so it might be the same.

At this stage we cannot provide final shipping dates for either device as we are waiting for update from HTC meeting with Google officials.

We are sorry for the delay, if we could do anything we would but now we have to wait for Google's decision!

Even 30 Oct maybe a wishdate release :(
[G2 and Desire Z General] lovelldr:
That's interesting... Seems to be many different messages being written around the net... Just wish htc would release a statement on their website detailing what's happening when...

In theory, if the desire z passed it's testing on 11th, we could hopefully receive the phone by the 18th, no?! Let's just keep fingers crossed?! Also, when you consider it's virtually the same phone as the g2, then surely it can't be that much of a difference between them? Hopefully they've learnt from the reasons why the HD failed (assuming it was software), and have updated the Z to pass ;)
[G2 and Desire Z General] faugusztin:
Do you seriously believe that if HTC didn't yet ship the phones from Taiwan, they are able to get them in Europe in just 1 week ? 3-4 weeks is more realistic number for sea transport (and other transport options are not really a option for this volume of goods).

In my opinion if we are lucky, then our phones will ship on 1st november. If not, then expect end of November dates...
[G2 and Desire Z General] schriss:
No worries, we will have them before christmas, that's most important :-)

Sent from my SuperFroyo by Neopeek using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk
[G2 and Desire Z General] Neuromansa:
Before christmas?

I WANT IT YESTERDAY.
[G2 and Desire Z General] muminisko:
Silence, I kill You ;) :D
[G2 and Desire Z General] Noxis:
Why would they have not shipped from Taiwan yet?
[G2 and Desire Z General] Neuromansa:
The most important thing should be to truly understand if this delay involves both phones or just the Desire HD. The intel about this is confused right now; some sites talk about both phones, others say that the TA failure happened for the HD only. My hope is that retailers have updated both stock dates for precaution, but they don't actually know (I mean directly from HTC) if both devices will be delayed.
[G2 and Desire Z General] penguin20000:
Until HTC do an Apprentice & turn up with 16 when they were expecting 100's :D
[G2 and Desire Z General] Pickx:
Hahaha, awesome, I placed my (latest) pre-order on Friday.
[G2 and Desire Z General] miiZ:
918402	HTC Desire Z Zilver	1	0	1	€	387,39	€	387,39	10-11-2010

JUST ****** GREAT .... if everyone is getting it this week and i dont ill rampage that store ... :s

EDIT: Watch your language. ~~TheRomMistress
[G2 and Desire Z General] andrewilley:
SuperEtrader have just said that they got stocks of Desire-Z in today, and will be shipping orders on Wednesday for delivery on Thursday...

http://blog.superetrader.co.uk/2010...ay/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Looks like they have got more in stock than just to cover pre-orders, as the website also indicates stock available to purchase.

Fingers crossed anyway. I didn't buy a G2 while I was in the states last week (although I had a play with one and was sorely tempted to) but the lack of root was worrying me.

Andre
[G2 and Desire Z General] craigw2010:
Hey all,

Just got the same email as some of you lot from Super-E-Trader saying in stock and shipping tomorrow, although i ordered with Mobile Phones Direct, i just wanted to know when Sim Free stores were getting their stock...good news i suppose if Clove are also getting stock, as MPD are an official partner, fingers crossed for Thurs Delivery as im in work all day Friday and couldnt handle it being at home while i was stuck in the Hospital all day, lol

Craig :D
[G2 and Desire Z General] stian230:
I feel a bit like a 9 year old boy on Christmas Eve:D
[G2 and Desire Z General] miiZ:
salland adjusted theire text (description of phone etc)

so fingers crossed... cba to wait till 10th :'(

Hollands date is still set to late next week.... **** this ...

this is my last HTC.. not buying another one EVER...

rather be buying some other Android reseller :)

Edit: Watch your language. ~TheRomMistress
[G2 and Desire Z General] :
Holland had the HD first, Now its the U.K turn to have first play:p

JD
[G2 and Desire Z General] miiZ:
The Dutch head of HTC is getting hammered @ his twitter :)

this is really my last HTC phone... to bad i payed allready or i cancelled and gonna get the new nexus..
[G2 and Desire Z General] AgaZaKa:
Are they? I didn't see answer to that. I can't find it on their website anywhere so I'm not sure what warranty they offer.