yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[G2 and Desire Z General] KnightMAREcrow:
I just posted this in another thread, I'm pretty sure they didn't give us desire z's

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== dumpstate: 2010-10-01 17:44:37

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Build: FRF91

Bootloader: 0.82.0000

Radio: 26.02.01.15_M2

Network: T - Mobile

Kernel: Linux version 2.6.32.17-g814e0a1 (htc-kernel@and18-2) (gcc version 4.4.0 (GCC) ) #1 PREEMPT Wed Sep 15 14:27:28 CST 2010

Command line: (unknown)

------ MEMORY INFO (/proc/meminfo) ------

MemTotal: 379832 kB

MemFree: 6044 kB

Buffers: 24308 kB

Cached: 117876 kB

SwapCached: 0 kB

I could be wrong...

This is from a status system dump done by me today.
[G2 and Desire Z General] jashsu:
You know we're talking about internal storage (flash) not RAM, correct?
[G2 and Desire Z General] ThaGeNeCySt:
So... can someone with a tight hinge make a video of them holding the phone like hitorri did showing that it DOESN'T come sliding out?

And as far as the 1.2 gb's, I don't even know what to say about that
[G2 and Desire Z General] KnightMAREcrow:
sorry, just noticed on second look.
[G2 and Desire Z General] :
Lack of quality control on the assembly line can lead to both. That's easy correlation, i actually brought it up as well.
[G2 and Desire Z General] ThaGeNeCySt:
:confused: :(
[G2 and Desire Z General] WilliamStern:
I still say the hinge is not a flaw. Mine does the same thing that's seen in the video, but when will I ever hold the phone that way? I also lay in bed and able to use my phone just fine. The screen does not slide down, or feel that its going to. I just feel that eveyone is making a huge fuss about this because its new? I would like to see a video of the screen having issues while using the phone normally. If the hinges were any tighter I don't think it would open and close as smoothly as it does?
[G2 and Desire Z General] KnightMAREcrow:
I'm on the phone with T-mobile... update to what they tell me soon.

edit - I received no new info and tech did not know anything himself, only what he read from the box basically lol
[G2 and Desire Z General] philosophics:
Just got back from the tmo store. They didn't have their stock in so I was not able to test their devices.

As far as the HSPA+ speeds, won't be in my area until November.

Because the phone is so new, Tmobile will NOT have any known issues unless we make them. I did my part today so I would suggest that the rest of you that are having the same problems call 611 and complain so then they do have known issues and we can get replacement orders sent out.

TMobile I really don't care if a seam on the G2 you can stick your fingernail into is not a known issue, I WANT A REPLACEMENT!!
[G2 and Desire Z General] Krisrk:
I just took a video of my G2... no hinge issues. I actually dropped the phone though holding it upside haha. I do have 1.16 GB of internal memory and did not check it at first however, and have some installed applications.

But I guess I can't post the url link here... so that does no good...
[G2 and Desire Z General] Jon C:
Just post it written out, with the important info pasted verbatim, afterwards.

For example: "youtube dot com /watch?v=vd6DKd_gMO8".
[G2 and Desire Z General] Krisrk:
youtube dot com watch?v=xbyu7JCItY

See if that works...
[G2 and Desire Z General] Jon C:
"The URL contained a malformed video ID."

What's the title of the video, or the name of your account?
[G2 and Desire Z General] Krisrk:
Just search on youtube "G2 no Hinge issue..." user account name is "Krisrk"

It showed up wrong because I forgot an "I"...

watch?v=xbyu7JCItYI
[G2 and Desire Z General] Jon C:
Cheers for that. That's reassuring. If my phone has any more give than yours, I'm sending it back for sure.

Also, thanks for taking one for the team (dropping the phone). My heart stopped! :eek:
[G2 and Desire Z General] f00tball7:
More of the same

I got my G2 today, noticed this article. My phone only shows as having 1.21 GB of storage. Local T-Mobile store’s demo model had 1.21GB of memory, same as mine. They agreed that was odd, and noticed calls in their system stating the same from other users.A call to T-Mobile support gave me a man that said:

1GB of OS

1GB for OTA Updates

2GB Remaining space for Apps/everything else.

After watching the video, my hinge is "affected" though i don't consider it much of a problem, more pissed about the memory.

Can anyone confirm w/screenshot of a rooted/unrooted device showing above 1.21 GB of onboard memory?
[G2 and Desire Z General] Krisrk:
Thanks, I thought I was even going to drop it... and did :( But I have to shake it for the screen to do anything like the earlier youtube videos that I've seen today...

When I dropped it too I was thinking, DAMN IT!
[G2 and Desire Z General] daijizai:
He lied. We have already debunked this being a software thing. please see http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=8396242&postcount=25

Also, please stop influencing the poll with inaccurate data. Post only what you can document technically.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Krisrk:
So this is a software flaw? I am checking out the other post now... it is 19 pages so I have a lot of reading to do though... what is the conclusion of the thread, if you don't mind?
[G2 and Desire Z General] KnightMAREcrow:
This is using Android Commander

Edit - Bottom of the screenshot shows the internal memory and SD storage

Edit 2 - As usual I could be wrong
[G2 and Desire Z General] philosophics:
That screenie says you have a total of about 13gb

Wanna try something else?
[G2 and Desire Z General] KnightMAREcrow:
Dont look at the total ROM, just the free and used. Also android commander doesn't use periods for the numbering.

Free and Used totals to about 2.1 GB
[G2 and Desire Z General] f00tball7:
Fair enough, just posting what I was told. Your OP doesn't specify the manner in which you'd like things verified, perhaps you should be more specific in what you're asking for when you say. "Love to get some input on your experience if you have a G2 in hand."
[G2 and Desire Z General] jonathan3579:
Did anyone see this?

T-Mobile USA Thanks for the questions about the G2's memory. Here's the scoop: The G2 includes 4GB of internal memory, of which a portion is accessible for downloading applications from the Android Market and a portion is allocated for both the operating system and preloaded applications. You can also store content and some applications on the included 8GB SD card, which is expandable up to 32GB.

Enjoy your weekend!
[G2 and Desire Z General] daijizai:
Yeah... Sadly... T-Mobile is attempting a rug sweep.
[G2 and Desire Z General] MCbrian:
They're going to have a big problem explaining that lump under the rug -- now that they've put it out in print and not just verbal from CS reps -- if/when a newer batch of G2s is shipped that do show 4GB!

Oh well...I haven't ordered mine yet, but I'm sure I will before months-end no matter what the actual ROM is. Really, 2GB is more than enough for my needs, but it's the principle (false advertising or manufacturing screw-up) that's the real issue.
[G2 and Desire Z General] daijizai:
I agree, 2GB is enough but I wanted more. That is why I ordered it despite that I was perfectly happy with my N1 with $5.99 T-Zones... Now I have 2GB and a $19.99 data feature... Not the deal I was looking for.
[G2 and Desire Z General] IMPEREAL:
I have used 3 of them and there is no hinge issue. Just like the sidekicks and G1 the "give" is on purpose. The phones are designed like that for consumer usage. Customers drop phones A LOT. So its designed to help absorb impact when dropped. The phone is very heavy and the screen is alot of that to like the gentleman said earlier. Its gravity. I hope this helps clear that up for you guys. If you look back at the sidekicks and G1 it was done intentionally.
[G2 and Desire Z General] HeyImNormal:
Htf can hardware problems be fixed by a software update?
[G2 and Desire Z General] sino8r:
Thanks! I agree about it being intentional. Look it's way more smooth than the MTS/ TP2/ MDA/ etc... I can keep going. I like the design. If you hold it without the keyboard, it will fall because of the weight of the rest of the phone... so what? who holds their phone upside down without holding the entire kb and phone simultaneously. Why would you hold it upside down, period? You've have to have really small hands or something... or be dyslexic

I think we are being hyper critical at this point. It's a great phone! and yes, I am a android fan boy now and a G2 fan, as well ;)
[G2 and Desire Z General] IMPEREAL:
Agreed!
[G2 and Desire Z General] Noirlecroi:
Not to dwell on the loose hinge issue, but like most people I heard about it before I got it. After using it for a day, it never comes into play unless I hold it awkwardly and purposefully trying to get it to hang. Although it is clearly a design defect, I don't think it should affect enjoyment.
[G2 and Desire Z General] IMPEREAL:
How is it a defect if you have to hold it I awkwardly in a way you would never hold a phone??? Its not a flaw its on purpose. Think about that. Think about what was just said by people. If I hold it upside down while on a roller coaster in the rain forest while on the moon in Hogwarts the screen hangs down a tad..... think about that guys that's all just think about that.
[G2 and Desire Z General] ericc191:
I can live with the hinge issue too. It's the 4GB issue that's pissing me the **** off.
[G2 and Desire Z General] KnightMAREcrow:
Amen, right there with you
[G2 and Desire Z General] SlicedKuniva:
I also only showed the 1.26 or so available out of the box. Also my hinge seems fine, I understand what you guys mean by loose but I'm on it all the time laying down and have had no problems.

Hopefully T-Mo will figure out our memory issue.
[G2 and Desire Z General] JMcMoto:
My g2 arrived Friday oct 1st and it also is from the 1.5 internal memory batch. I will be calling to add to their list of complaints about this issue.

The design of this z hinge is the reason it falls open when you hod it in an unconventional way. Under common use this slider is solid and I think I will be happy with it.
[G2 and Desire Z General] ericc191:
Yeah, honestly, I would've preferred the typical way most slider phones do it. But, I do give HTC props for innovation. Hopefully, they'll be able to solve it feeling TOO loose.
[G2 and Desire Z General] shinkinrui:
Not true. I tried with another G2 from a friend at work and I had to shake the phone for the hinge to start closing. With mine, I just have to hold it upside down with no shaking.
[G2 and Desire Z General] khaosxiii:
Hinge Solid; 4 GB User Addressable Storage	1	1.33%

who is this in the poll? Someone messing around?

Penny Pics Stat!
[G2 and Desire Z General] khaosxiii:
As the person that called CS was told - thats just how it opens

dealwithit.jpg
[G2 and Desire Z General] MCbrian:
Are you posting that your phone does show 4GB? :confused:
[G2 and Desire Z General] ThaGeNeCySt:
Naw, if you look at the poll, someone voted for that and he's asking who's the lucky person
[G2 and Desire Z General] daijizai:
This is the guy that believed T-Mobile when they said he had 4 GB even though he was showing 1.2 GB... http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=8412735&postcount=21
[G2 and Desire Z General] ericc191:
Okay, just so I'm not losing my mind here, there are only 3 hinges right? 2 on one side and 1 on the other side?
[G2 and Desire Z General] vikramdhani:
I think 37 people will solid hinges as per the poll should make at least 5-6 different videos by different people to really believe that there are actually phones out there without the loose hinge.

I dont believe just one or 2 videos because it might be possible they got the defective peice with stiff hinges
[G2 and Desire Z General] boloj:
Here is how I feel about the Loose Hinge. If I hold the phone like they did in the video yeah the keyboard opens the thing is even if I hold the phone over my head with it open it will not close unless I shake the phone. It seems like a non issue to me.
[G2 and Desire Z General] navillos:
magnets should have been used in the design to hold it firmly closed and open. HTC needs to revise and recall. have any of you used a DROID the slider is great on that phone because of the magnets.
[G2 and Desire Z General] larryccf:
yeah magnets would have helped prevent this thread, but in reality that hinge is a nice design and functions fine, the way it was intended

the only time it's an "issue" is when you pinch the keyboard portion (and even with skinny fingers i have a hard time holding just by that portion), and then hold it upside down

now if you plan on texting while doing 360 degree loops in an aerobatic plane or hanging upside down from your dining room chandler, or even holding it over your head texting in bed (remember you need to be holding it ONLY by the keyboard portion) then, yeah, it might be "loose".

folks just seem to be hyper-ventilating on this - kind of like someone yelling "the sky is falling" then someone else notices the clouds are moving, and that's somehow proof it must be falling

jeez, push back from the trees and see the forest - i like the design. when holding it normally it's got the right amount of resistance to being opened

personally, the logic behind this loose hinge "issue" isn't far from the logic behind perceiving some connection between the "loose hinge" and the missing memory, which btw, there's more and more evidence the G2 does have a 4GB nand

see the below links:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=794053&page=15

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=795594&page=30

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=8429161&postcount=306
[G2 and Desire Z General] Arcadia310:
I'll make a video today. My phones hinge is definitely not loose like the guy on youtube demonstrated. I'm lying down right now typing this on my phone and the screen stays in place. When I hold the phone upside down from the bottom half not touching the screen, it doesn't just flop open and dangle there. It holds itself in place and has more resistance than other people.
[G2 and Desire Z General] StuRoid:
Gingerbread will solve all your internal memory issues :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] dalephil22:
My only concern on the hinge issue is whether or not the hinge is loose enough that the phone turns on in your purse or pants pocket therefore using battery power unnecessarily.
[G2 and Desire Z General] daijizai:
To the 3 guys claiming 4GB user addressable: Please post proof.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Ceiling Fan:
I have a solid hinge and 1.19 Gigs of phone storage.

What can I do about this?
[G2 and Desire Z General] agarza11:
I played with one at the store for a while. It did have the same problem you guys r gaving.. But I had to hold it upside down and have my fingers holding only the back part of the phones. Or for it to close I had to put it in a odd angle. The phone never opened or closed on me while in normal use, only when I was looking for the problem. And I think that's what you guys are doing. Just use the phone the correct way and if it does bother you return it. You might find out that it doesn't effect you. In the memory problem just download all the apps you need. If you run out of space them you might need a diffrent phone , but 1.2-1.5gb is enough for lots of apps.
[G2 and Desire Z General] khaosxiii:
lolololololololol

You can read the post above yours
[G2 and Desire Z General] Anomaly:
So at this point it is looking like "loose" hinges and "less" memory could potentially NOT be actual defects?
[G2 and Desire Z General] kludgineer:
Well, the loose hinge thing, at least in the photo and video on youtube is most certainly not a defect. The hinge is only "loose" if you hold it in a completely unnatural and uncormfortable manner. And if the hinge were tighter to prevent it from drooping when held like that, then it would be much harder to open and close.

I had earlier stated that fixing this would have required HTC to install stronger springs on the hinge, however after looking closer and fiddling with the phone some more, it seems to me that there are no springs on the hinge. Instead, it seems that magnets hold the phone in the open and closed position, and in between it completely loose. If that is the case, they could have used stronger magnets, but not only would that have required more effort to open and close (right now it closes solidly, but requires just a very satisfying amount of effort to open), but increasing the magnet size could also have created more issues with the magnetic sensors in the phone.

It is certainly possible that some people really did get phones with defective hinges, I just haven't seen any evidence of that yet.
[G2 and Desire Z General] :
I would classify the hinge "defect" in the same category as iphones antenna.

Designs that ignored their glaring shortcomings.
[G2 and Desire Z General] dthadamaja:
I would like the people that actually voted 4 gigs to come forth.
[G2 and Desire Z General] MCbrian:
Yeah, a characteristic could be exactly as designed and still be called a "defect" in that it doesn't work well. Usually those are called "design flaws"...but from a functional standpoint, whether it's bad engineering or a mistake in manufacturing, to the user the result feels the same.

If some G2s actually function differently than other G2s (I've seen videos where the hinge seems much-less loose than the hinge in other videos) then you've either got "defective" and "normal" or "normal" and "lucky". ;)

And I'm not saying that the hinge is a real issue at all -- I haven't touched a G2 yet.
[G2 and Desire Z General] kludgineer:
What is the glaring shortcoming here? Your logic is kinda like saying seat belts have a glaring shortcoming because if you get in a head on collision while the seat belt is wrapped around your neck you might strangle yourself. While that is true, it's not really a real-world scenario... Same thing with this hinge "issue".

You will never, ever hold the phone in a way that you would see this "defect" (except of course when you are demonstrating the defect). The hinge works /exactly/ as it was intended to. It is very responsive and smooth to open and close, and once in position it stays there very nicely through any normal interactions. If you intentionally force yourself to do something that you would never do in the real world, then the screen droops a bit, but I can't imagine any real-world scenario where this is likely to be an issue.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Fafhrd42:
Yes, it is. And all the previews and early hands-on videos indicated that there was a very solid snap to the opening and closing of the keyboard (and I recall Engadget's first hands-on stating that it was so solid that it would require both thumbs to open it), not the very loose flop that the in-store unit I looked at had.

And the 'don't hold it unnaturally' argument is bull****. If the only thing holding it closed is the weight of the screen, then the potential for it opening partway and being damaged when carried in a purse or a satchel increases significantly. There needs to be some additional force (like, say, a spring) holding it closed.
[G2 and Desire Z General] kludgineer:
I never intended to imply that there were not variances in how tight the hinges (or more accurately, as far as I can tell, how strong the magnets are) were, and as I said in another post it is possible that a few people do have REALLY loose hinges.

However I have the g2. My hinge sags when held upside down. But I would in no way characterize the hinge as "loose". It is very natural and smooth. When open you need to turn the phone to about a negative 45 degree angle, while only holding it by the keyboard, before it closes on it's own. That is the most likely possible scenario that I could see someone encoutering in the real world, and even that seems _highly_ unlikley.

If people are seeing issues where there screen just flops around then that is a legitimate issue. But the videos I have seen don't show that.

As for your second paragraph, it is based on false information. The lid is held open or closed by either magnets or springs, I believe the former. You can even see that in the original Youtube video describing the problem-- The phone has a most definite 'snap' when it closes. In my testing it will not come open on it's own in any reasonable scenario.

I would strongly recommend you hold the phone before being overly concerned with what is at worst a problem that can easily be solved by exchanging the phone.
[G2 and Desire Z General] aedv:
False. I hold the phone this way all the time while I'm laying down and it is impossible for me to keep the keyboard open because the screen shuts.

I realize the rebuttal to this will be "well get out of bed before you start texting" but maybe I don't want to. Maybe I'm checking my phone, answering an email, and going back to sleep.

Granted I can overcome this issue by rolling over onto my stomach to type, but this is still a common circumstance in which a user may "hold the phone in a way that you would see this 'defect.'"
[G2 and Desire Z General] kludgineer:
Ok, I stand corrected... I see how if you were laying on your back and typing that could be an issue.

Personally I still don't have a problem in that position, because I hold the phone by it's sides near where the two halves of the the phone meet. I just conducted an experiment and was able to type while holding the phone completely upside down with no troubles.

If I try to hold the phone by the keyboard only and type, it feels like I am going to drop the phone. It is very top-heavy and awkward for me when held that way. I suspect most people would agree, but there will certainly be exceptions.

Someone with smaller hands or who holds the phone in a different way may see this as a real problem, but I don't expect that it will effect many people.

Edit: To be clear, my phone does droop if held as aed suggests, it is just not a way that I personally would ever hold it.
[G2 and Desire Z General] ThaGeNeCySt:
what works for me is usually the way i've traditionally held slider phones... for some reason, my 2 index fingers seem to cling to the top of the screen as I type with my thumbs so that holds it up for me when I'm in that position.
[G2 and Desire Z General] philosophics:
Why would I believe 2.6gb used is normal???

They now tell me because I'm still in the buyers remorse period, I have to completely return the phone if I want to replace it but I have to wait until they receive the device and process the refund. This makes me so angry and feel a little disrespected as a customer. They refuse to do anything about this defected device I have.

A loose hinge and half the advertised memory may not be determined as problems but this is,

If you're wondering, I have a seam this business card fits into where it shouldn't be able to fit...

I'm going to do whatever it is that I have to do to get a replacement but I WILL NOT RETURN IT! I shouldn't have to. Why is it so hard for T-Mobile to just send out a replacement? I'm going to one of the stores tomorrow where I know some guys. They might be able to help me out a little more so here's hoping for a positive outcome.

I don't want a device that can get dust/dirt/sand stuck in places it shouldn't be stuck in and I'm afraid the screen is going to get dust underneath with that gap there.

This is kinda sorta off topic I know, but I am suffering from the same issues as the majority of you. I just have an extra issue...