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[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] applebook:
Contrary to common opinion, the Galaxy S is not cheaply built. Its only major weakness is the flimsy, .5mm back cover, whose glossiness and "carbon" pattern add to the cheapness.

Instead of just putting mine inside of a case, I suggest that someone who works at a machine shop or can access a good one consider putting together a replacement back that is constructed from 1mm (or thicker) aluminum, lightly brushed to finish it off.

I for one would be willing to spend $$$ for a good looking replacement.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Harts@J:
Where is the beef?

All this is handled in the thread: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=720718 months ago. The metal back cover can be difficult for the antennas.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] applebook:
I have read through that thread. Only one of the suggestions is an actual replacememt back, while the rest are simply skins or cases. I already have a case. If metal is problematic for the antenna, then I wonder about those completely aluminum cases.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] :
My one is not a skin or case neither is it a replacement back. It is the customised one and if you can find a spare back cover you can make it look anything from luminous to chrome or brushed ali. Maybe there is someone out there good with ceramics LOL.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] walkergeri:
Hello people :-)

i have s2u2 installed but often in my pocket i press on volume key and then if i press on button too the device get on and sometimes a call happen in my pocket. how can i solve this?

thank you for help.

Edit: i see its a problem with S2U2 because if windows lock is on then it works... now i have 2 locks for secure...

Edit2: now i found the right settings in s2u2.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Jorsher:
Why does it only show me 1.23GB available fresh out of the box?

I understand the OS itself takes up room, but I know it can't take up 2.5ishGB of it.

Do we really only have 1.5GB internal memory like the Desire Z despite the 4GB claimed on the T-Mobile and HTC websites?
[G2 and Desire Z General] ericc191:
Someone brought up that the space might be set aside for Gingerbread which drops later this year. Could be it.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Jorsher:
As nice as that would be, they wouldn't do that and it'd be extra trouble on HTC's part to accomplish...nothing. Even if Gingerbread was a ridiculously major update, it wouldn't account for another 2.5gb of space...

I think the truth is, we got 1.5gb instead of the claimed 4gb.
[G2 and Desire Z General] unforgiven512:
Also, I have the full system dump on my PC, and it's only weighing in at 1.7GB (This includes the ~1.3GB userdata partition).

If anyone would like to see a screenshot, give me a shout and I'll upload one.
[G2 and Desire Z General] oldsk00lz:
I was thinking that they may have partitioned off a FAT32 section which you could mount to. Vibrant and the Gentouch have done that. Though from a post on tmobiles board, it didn't look like the missing amount was mounted. Total for the partitions was 2169356.

Hmmm..

What do you see when you plug in your USB, just the SDCard, or do you get a notice about an internal memory as well?

-oldsk00lz
[G2 and Desire Z General] jashsu:
Perhaps someone with a G2 on hand could install ConnectBot and run the command

cat /proc/partitions

and post the result here
[G2 and Desire Z General] veritas17:
major minor #blocks name

179 0 2203648 mmcb1k0

lord there's so many for me to type it'd be ridic, how do I take a screen shot with the phone so I can upload it? Basically though I go from 0 to 33 in that minor category.

I wonder why I have so many partitions (I'm assuming that's what these all are)
[G2 and Desire Z General] ericc191:
Not cool if it doesn't have the claimed 4GB.
[G2 and Desire Z General] burbs:
If it doesn't have the claimed 4GB, then maybe someone can start a class action lawsuit?
[G2 and Desire Z General] Jorsher:
I'm not upset enough that I'd push for a lawsuit, but I do feel kind of let down :P I don't even think I'll use the full 1.5gb, but I expected 4gb and didn't get what I expected.
[G2 and Desire Z General] keyl10:
They advertised it as 4GB, so it must have 4GB. If it doesn't then the class action lawsuit will come and you won't even have to do a thing other than reap a small reward. I feel confident that there is 4GB in there, even if it isn't user accessible.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Jorsher:
Yeah, I understand it would come and I'd expect it to, just saying that personally I don't think it's that big of a deal.

Honestly I don't see why they'd make it inaccessible, at least not 2.5gb of it. I'm thinking it's only 1.5gb to match the Desire Z hardware, since everything else is the same as far as hardware.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Neoprimal:
I could be wrong (I don't have a G2). On my vibrant the available space is saying 12.75GB under "Phone storage" but only 1.47 under "Application storage".

I suspect that there's a set application storage area in android up to maybe 1.5GB and then the rest is for the OS and other data (music, movies, files, etc). The Vibrant's storage is 16GB which translates to around 15.xx. Then Android is taking up 1 or so and pre-installed apps only a tiny fraction (50MB or less)...that's why I'm showing 12.75. It's the remainder of the 15-Android (1 or so GB maybe less)+App Space (1.5GB)
[G2 and Desire Z General] Jorsher:
Yeah, maybe it's just hidden space that can be unlocked by a custom rom. If the Desire Z only has 1.5GB total, I just have a hard time seeing why they'd hide 2.5GB on the G2.
[G2 and Desire Z General] WarBird87:
^ has anyone called HTC and asked why they might only be seeing such low memory when it was supposed to have 4gb? maybe they can give us an answer?
[G2 and Desire Z General] crr127:
i agree about the not really caring on the lawsuit bit. but i'm curious to know where it is lol... we didn't buy these phones pre-order cuz it was cheap lol, so if you need the money get hit by a car. more money and easier just step in front... so suing a company like htc whom we like very much would not be cool... just my .02
[G2 and Desire Z General] larryccf:
errr - as "uncool" as advertising 4GB and not delivering it??

seriously, i suspect it's there, just locked or hidden for whatever purposes
[G2 and Desire Z General] crr127:
i'm sure it is there also. it is a brand new phone, i'm sure it is hiding or waiting to be used for something

apps2sd? using it somehow?
[G2 and Desire Z General] Drakon911:
I'm going with the missing space being taken up by all the bloat apps.

Sent from my T-Mobile G2.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Jorsher:
There are most definitely not 2.5gb of bloat apps.

If there was, it'd be impossible for the considerably-more-bloated Desire Z to cope with only 1.5gb of memory.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Dru313:
Well here's what T-Mo has to say about the whole ordeal.

http://www.facebook.com/TMobile?v=wall&story_fbid=107096669355183&ref=mf
[G2 and Desire Z General] MCbrian:
So...that makes me wonder: Do the specs for the Desire Z (which say 1.5GB "internal phone storage") just not mention/include the inaccessible-to-user part of the ROM memory? And so the only difference between Desire Z and G2 is the radio (bands)?

If that's the case, it's too bad that HTC didn't use the same spec-description/language for the two different versions of their own product...sure would have eliminated a lot of confusion. :rolleyes:
[G2 and Desire Z General] Gr8gorilla:
It makes me think that T-mobile found that only some of the devices were defective, i.e. like say a few thousand, and they caught it and brought it up to HTC who said ohh ****, my bad, well fix that.

Just like apple at launch of iPhone 4.

Tmobile will quietly fix the few thousand bad handsets, and continue with the launch of their flagship handset.
[G2 and Desire Z General] MCbrian:
But...that T-Mo FB post doesn't say anything is defective -- it says that 4GB is the total of which only a part is available for users (the rest committed to OS and pre-installed).

Or are you saying that the FB post isn't true....?
[G2 and Desire Z General] daijizai:
Per T-Mobile logic, 2.8 GB is allocated to the system. As the Desire Z has only 1.5 GB of RAM + sense which is larger than stock... It follows that T-Mobile is implying that 1.3GB of the system files MUST be installed on the SDCard, and that there is no user accessible memory on the Desire Z.

Get your act together T-Mobile and acknowledge the problem before you have a class action suit!

I cannot stand the misinformation. That to me is worse than the error!
[G2 and Desire Z General] daijizai:
FB post is not true. I will personally state that categorically.
[G2 and Desire Z General] MCbrian:
Here's a pointless statement on the subject then:

"Time will tell...."

Pointless, but categorically and absolutely true!

:D

Not that it should stop any speculating -- I do and I don't even know anything about hardware. :p
[G2 and Desire Z General] Gr8gorilla:
umm was that sarcasm?

do some googling if you don't a lot about linux. Install a terminal emulator on your phone.

find the command to show how much available space your phone has, when you find it, type it in to the terminal. See what it gives you back.

that is how much space is in your device I don't care what a facebook or newyork times headline post says.

If tmobile posted on facebook that there was a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow would you go looking for it?
[G2 and Desire Z General] MCbrian:
Uh...no not sarcasm. I assumed that since you responded to my post which referred to the FB post that your response had something to do with that post....but apparently it didn't. Then why did you respond to my post?

Don't know what you're problem is dude... But I'll remember you tip about "not believing anything that T-Mo says". :rolleyes:
[G2 and Desire Z General] Gr8gorilla:
It had everything to do with that post. I think that Tmobile knows there is a problem, and caught it in time for the Oct 6. Launch, there are a lot of people saying that their pre-order is now "back-ordered". They are doing Damage control. They will fix our broken devices but if on launch day, everyone's device has 3.2 GB of free space, who is going to care that a few thousand die hard geeks had to send their phones in for repair because HTC messed up and put the wrong Nand chip in some phones? It isn't like they got salmonella in the baby formula or anything. They made a mistake, saved a huge marketing launch and fixed the mistake.

NOTICE THAT POST DIDN'T SAY HOW MUCH MEMORY WE SHOULD HAVE FREE!. Just that we have 4 gb and that some was OS and some was available for app storage. Not well we got 4 gb but we made a lot of internal changes to stock android and its memory footprint was quadrupled, so you now will only have 1.5 GB of free space.

That was a DAMAGE CONTROL POST!
[G2 and Desire Z General] Arcadia310:
Are people really saying their phone is back ordered now?
[G2 and Desire Z General] flarbear:
(I'm here too... ;-)

I was guessing. TBD means "To Be Determined" as in I had no way of knowing for sure.

I'm surprised as well about how little it has. My guess above of it having about 1 or 2 GB was a very conservative guess in case they put something huge on it along with the system and apps storage (like the Vibrant ships with a 720p movie on the internal storage that you can't remove that eats most of its 16GB of built-in memory). I was really expecting well over 2GB, but the point I was making was that whatever it had, it would be so much more than the 50MB that the G1 had that it isn't worth fretting about and so I lowballed my guess so that nobody would whine if I was over.

Also, in that same conversation people were confusing RAM with ROM and the sdcard and quoting all sorts of alarming numbers about how much or little app storage it would have so I just threw in some "relatively likely" numbers to center their panic and confusion around something much more likely...
[G2 and Desire Z General] Jorsher:
The backorder thing is entirely unrelated. Mine said backorder until it was delivered, and I wouldn't be surprised if the same happened for everyone else.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Gr8gorilla:
Maybe, and maybe the phones were already being delivered when they realized it and they couldn't stop the delivery.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Viper Matrix Wireless:
Seems like not many of you know how much space an Android ROM is supposed to take.

Size of the ROM: http://rapidshare.com/#!download|85...2.01.15_M2_release_149459_signed.zip|129303MB

Install should not take more than over 300MB from the device.

The 4GB is actually around 3.8GB its never actually 4GB fully. But with 1.2GB there is 2.6GB accounted for the ROM in which 8x more than ROM accounted for. So they did not hide any partition at all.

If the backorder is in effect then we are right.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Gr8gorilla:
I know pretty close how bit an android rom is supposed to be, I mean a nexus one had 512MB rom and still had app space.

Tmobile is trying say that suddenly android needs 2.5 GB? WTF that is BS. As has been stated earlier, the biggest app on the phone is google earth and it is under 10MB. by that logic, 300MB for the android system, and every app on the phone takes 10 MB. Our phone came over 200 10 MB apps installed?

Bull****!
[G2 and Desire Z General] Arcadia310:
If there is a possible back order then how could any retail store be getting the G2 on October 6th?
[G2 and Desire Z General] TFJ4:
All the phones are listed as back order but there still shipping. At least thats one a T-Mobile employee said a few days ago on there forums. If I don't get my phone I pre-ordered the first day by 10/6 like they said, I'm gonna get so much free **** from them its not funny.
[G2 and Desire Z General] TheMan42:
Wow, people are still being morons about the back order status?
[G2 and Desire Z General] sino8r:
I doubt they will trust you either because you called "the man", ;)

can we close this thread now?! enough already! send it back if you don't want it anymore. case closed. file a stupid lawsuit! sue tmobile, sue xda, sue me, and sue your whole family....

look, I was pissed too but get over it or send it back. simple!
[G2 and Desire Z General] solace.discord:
I'm just a reader..

I agree that if you expect something that was advertised, that is what you should get. I agree that there seems to be something wrong with the internal memory- usable or hidden or what-have-you.

I also agree that it's too early in to know wth is going on. I agree with previous posts that everyone should wait until there is root to figure this out.

you don't know what you don't know, and in this case, you have to be a little patient before giving a full reaction.
[G2 and Desire Z General] daijizai:
Dude, there is root. It is figured out... We do not have 4 GB
[G2 and Desire Z General] solace.discord:
my bad- didn't see that posted here.. that blows.

not dude, btw..
[G2 and Desire Z General] Gr8gorilla:
My order was never on Backorder status for a single second. It said pending shipping and then it said completed. It never said back order a single time.
[G2 and Desire Z General] mcp2009:
Mine said backordered when UPS said billing info received but once it shipped it said completed
[G2 and Desire Z General] extechguy:
How does mass storage sizing work in android?

I've seen a lot of speculation and assumption about how the raw block device drivers size storage, but I used to do Unix firmware, kernel, and device driver work, and what we need to know is how flash memory sizing works on Android with qualcomm chipsets.

This isn't RAM where you can size it dynamically and just use it.

Filesystems are usually copied to devices, not created during the manufacturing process. It's very possible that what /dev is reporting is based on a partition table that has been copied into the raw flash device as part of the manufacturing process. If that's so, it will report whatever it's been told. There could indeed be space that's not visible to the driver.

At Silicon Graphics, we used to have separate commands that reported the actual hardware configuration, and what's reported there could be different from what a driver reported.

Anyone know how flash sizing is done in the Linux device drivers on HTC Android phones?

I'm sure some of you XDA guys know the answer!

Peace,

Steve W.
[G2 and Desire Z General] j0nkatz:
as posted on their facebook page...

"T-Mobile USA Thanks for the questions about the G2's memory. Here's the scoop: The G2 includes 4GB of internal memory, of which a portion is accessible for downloading applications from the Android Market and a portion is allocated for both the operating system and preloaded applications. You can also store content and some applications on the included 8GB SD card, which is expandable up to 32GB."
[G2 and Desire Z General] Gr8gorilla:
Wow and I posted on my facebook page that they are full of ****, I also posted that you won a million dollars, all you have to do is go down to the stoplight on the corner and Ed Mcmahon is waiting for you with a Giant Check, don't fall down and hurt yourself in your haste to receive you cash!
[G2 and Desire Z General] Viper Matrix Wireless:
There is no reason for them to hide it in the first place it simply has the 1.5GB ROM - Around 300MB for the ROM = 1.2GB.

If the partition was hidden it would show up in fdisk but not as an exact drive.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Gr8gorilla:
on another note there Genius who believes anything because someone wrote it on their facebook wall.

Why can't anyone find this mysterious 2GB. If it existed, the guys who rooted the phone already would have found it.....but alas it is not there.

If was there it would be in the totals. Yes it may not show up as app storage but it would be somewhere, even if that somewhere was unpartitioned space.

It isn't there, Tmobile is doing Damage control, You will get a new phone, and the phones that sell on the 6th will have the correct amount of memory.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Gr8gorilla:
+10000000000 what he said. It isn't there.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Gr8gorilla:
I am not sure if I am more insulted by the lack of quality control for a $500 device or Tmobile and HTC lying about it. I think if they had come out and said: "There was an isolated issue with a few devices, and we are replacing those handsets." It would have been a lot less damaging. I really think lying about the problem is going to make customers lose faith in the long run. I am just really disappointed in Tmobile right now.

I am little upset that they are basically calling us stupid as well.
[G2 and Desire Z General] ddgarcia05:
So, really what can we do about this? I really doubt T-Mobile is going to admit to any wrong doing. T-Mobile has apparently made it impossible for HTC to admit to anything by claiming there is nothing wrong.

I'm concerned because two years ago android could fit perfectly into the G1, fast forward to now and it can't handle 2.2 and all our apps. What's going to happen two years from now? Is the 2gig internal memory going to be able to fit future android builds?....I want my 4gigs.
[G2 and Desire Z General] thedarkpassenger:
I totally agree with you. First the Vibrant GPS problem (among so many others), now this. If this ends up being exactly what it seems, I doubt I'll be extending my contract ever again.

The consumer should not be the ones finding these issues. That's what QA is for, and there is a severe lack of it happening over at tmobile. If testing these devices before a single unit gets delivered is too much to ask for, so is my business.

It would be a different story if the GPS problem on the Vibrant, or this G2 problem, were small isolated incidents. But GPS?? The phones internal storage??

Unacceptable.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Gr8gorilla:
In my opinion, next week someone will tear down a phone and get the part number off of the Nand chip, they will look it up and it will say it is a 1.5 GB or so Nand chip, and then Tmobile will say: "We didn't manufacture the phone, HTC did that, and they told us that everything was as it should be." They will hand the bag to HTC, screw them and, then do their best to make good with their current customers.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Jon C:
Well, you just about summed it up. T-Mo sure is trying to hemorrhage customers, it seems.
[G2 and Desire Z General] AerosSaga:
I would encourage everyone here to post in the '4Gb of memory' thread of the t-mobile forum. This is unacceptable.
[G2 and Desire Z General] MCbrian:
It's kind-of a stinkin swamp over on the T-Mobile G2 board (like a lot of the boards over there...) -- almost like it's un-moderated.

But there's probably a better chance that T-Mo will notice/respond to dissatisfaction posted there than here.
[G2 and Desire Z General] extechguy:
unpartitoned space doesn't show up in fdisk

fdisk won't show space that's not partitioned. The driver has to know about it.

No one has shown anything except what the filesystem utilities think. They may not know how much unpartitioned spaceis out there. Maybe T-Mobile got "clever" so they could reallocate memory in the future and avoid the upgrade problems the G1 had... If they did, I think they WAY overdid it, but let's wait until some of the hackers put a ROM on there and find out!

Steve
[G2 and Desire Z General] KnightMAREcrow:
Gr8Gorilla is entirely correct in being upset over this debacle. To call what T-mobile is doing as damage control is completely ridiculous. I received my unit day 1 and I bought it under the assumption that 4gb would be included. Since it clearly is not I'm in the right to be upset. Don't sell me a Porsche with a ford focus engine and say it still works or it's still an engine. Not right at all. This should have been handled head on without dancing around the issue until it's figured out.

To people saying then don't buy it, I already did. I do want to keep and not wait another month or more (most likely) for another new phone to come out. I just want what was advertised, that's all.

Probably won't hear anything till Monday... It better be a program to receive a completely new unit.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Viper Matrix Wireless:
I said hidden would show up if it was like to the system etc etc.

Unpartitioned space wouldnt but then you could see if you would be able to add another drive if its able to do so then the unpartitioned space would show to be used to create another drive.