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[G2 and Desire Z General] JanetPanic:
I could not disagree more. Things you are likely to store and install on a PC take significantly more than things you are going to install on an android device.

2GB is nothing on a PC to "lose" whereas on an android device that is a significant amount of space. The reality is, for installing applications, the 1.3GB we have already should be more than sufficient for current application needs. However I can not agree with the statement that having half of the advertised storage for a device unaccounted for is acceptable. Personally I would like that space available as general storage , which gives me more flexibility on the nature of how I use the SDCard.
[G2 and Desire Z General] MantisFang:
Thanks Janet.. I think you put it better than i did.

@Copernicus: I only Got 1GB out of the 4GB so I may be a bit more adamant than the people that found 1.5-2GB.

2-3Gb may seem like a trivial sum, but nevertheless I cannot accept the logic that T-Mobile/HTC are feeding us.

Waiting may be all we can do until there is an official announcement. And I tend to avoid stress or beating on a dead horse more than the average tech user just because I don't need the hassle.

But some things are vital to stand up and complain about... especially when the company would love for us to shut our yaps and keep our heads in the dirt about it.

In this case I feel we need to keep knocking until they open the door.
[G2 and Desire Z General] jloescher2010:
I talked to a HTC Rep today, he basicly new very little tech stuff. However HTC basically created an entire talk script for this purpose. So they are well aware of our disatification, but the representitve did explain there is a 4 GB ROM though its partitioned off and only ruffly 1.29 GB is available to the data partition which is what everyone is seeing. I personally don't like the fact I/We are not able to use the rest of the space. The Rep said all the space on the other partitions was not used up just we aren't able to touch it. The have set this aside for future updates to the phone. My guess is Gingerbread...
[G2 and Desire Z General] androidfeen809:
Yea iiight lol I bought the phone in store the 10th and I got that 1.15 gb out the box smfh tmo screw up big time on this device the best device ever yet got ruined by tmo
[G2 and Desire Z General] androidfeen809:
That's great, but couldn't they have saved all this by explaining this in the first place b4 the device was release still disappointed cuz they still lied hiding things from us is still lying
[G2 and Desire Z General] androidfeen809:
That's not how we sound lmao yu mean hey guys I'm startin a lawsuit on seagate because back wen I purchased my 320gb hard drive only 90gb was available that's how we sound like lmao less than 75% of the advertisement was deliver your comparison was less than 10% not really comparable yu prolly one if those tmo workers getting pay to do this
[G2 and Desire Z General] n3rdftw:
not really

you know when you buy a 320 GB drive, its formatted not in actual GB, but in 1000s of bytes... so then when the system actually reads it, it gets converted into actual space

the analogy here is more like, heres a 320gb drive, but only (1/4)320 = 80 GB is available
[G2 and Desire Z General] rr5678:
Maybe they'll make you pay to unlock the extra 2GB
[G2 and Desire Z General] daijizai:
not to nitpick, but GB is 1000s... GiB is 1024s... GiB just is not commonly used because it sounds so freakin silly.

Fred: "Hey Joe, you know that new PC I got? It has a 256 Gibibyte SSD."

Joe: "Who the hell is Gibby, and why did she bite your little teeny SSD? <snicker>"

Fred: "Jerk"

And there you have it... A friendship ended because of a Gibibytes funny sounding name!
[G2 and Desire Z General] Smokexz:
I checked wikipedia and it said Gingerbread was rolling out early 2011... of this is Wikipedia so I wouldn't listen to much, we will see though. It it very much possible the space could be for Gingerbread. This is just making me want more Android dessert!

Sent from my T-Mobile G2
[G2 and Desire Z General] unforgiven512:
Whoa, wtf?
[G2 and Desire Z General] rr5678:
Yeah, exactly :p
[G2 and Desire Z General] :
I think T-Mo setting aside space for future upgrades is better for their customers than giving the a two extra GBS.

At the very least you can infer that T-Mo is planning to support the phone for future upgrades.

It's better(and cheaper) for them to lock out space for future upgades than having to deal with customers calling up and being all "wtf i can't update the phone cause ran out of geebees".

I'm eager to see what HTC is doing with the desire Z, if they are actually using a 2gb nand, or if they are doing the same thing as T-mo, but only advertising 1.5gb.
[G2 and Desire Z General] androidfeen809:
I know this might b off topic but how does my g2 gets cpu benchmark results of 2084 isn't that too fast well I'm not complainiing tho but how does this scores as high as vibrant with a 800mhz????

Lovin my g2!!!!!
[G2 and Desire Z General] daijizai:
Better IOPS and 3D acceleration. The next-gen CPU is roughly on par with the Nexus One and other 1Ghz Snapdragons at a lower clock speed and power consumption as well.
[G2 and Desire Z General] MantisFang:
I have been doing so but since been banned and my posts deleted/edited to "soften" language. Every forum user that refuses to accept the line of bs being fed to us gets jumped on there by the so called pillars of the community and constantly reply in endless repetition that we should return our phones and wash bour hands of the problem. These supposed "non tmobile employees are obviously damage control set in place to divert attention and downplay the issue.

Do not roll over.. do not return the device. We paid for 4gb and we need to stand up and fight for it. Make your voices heard in the tmobile 4gb thread. They can't shut us all up.

forums.t-mobile.com/t5/T-Mobile-G2/4Gb-of-memory/td-p/487322
[G2 and Desire Z General] ChazzMichaelMichaels:
Except that hard drive manufacturers explicitly disclose that their measurement of gigabytes is computed as billions of bytes rather than 1024B * 1024KB * 1024MB. If T-Mobile said

4GB Storage*

* 2.8GB is used by Android and bundled software

Then I don't think there would be a 49 page thread about the issue.
[G2 and Desire Z General] bucksatan:
ummmm....yeah that does kinda scare me...how ?
[G2 and Desire Z General] MantisFang:
Htc.. please free our 4gb
[G2 and Desire Z General] steviewevie:
I know this thread is kinda old now, but for the info of you G2 guys, the teardown pics of a DZ (not a G2) at http://tjworld.net/attachment/blog/htc-desire-z-tear-down/IMG_0277-small.jpg show that it has the same NAND chips as the G2. i.e. the DZ similarly has 4 GB physical storage but "only" 1.5 GB available.
[G2 and Desire Z General] mcp2009:
hmm so this means they both have 4gb but they advertised the Z with available space unlike the G2
[G2 and Desire Z General] Cel1084:
I figured that all it was. No glitch, no bug, no faulty chip, just good old American advertising practice.
[G2 and Desire Z General] greengoldmello:
Lmao! That's what i was thinking..pretty rare for them not to run some bs line and have u going thru steps that do nothing at at ll..
[G2 and Desire Z General] crr127:
wow. that kinda sux, ya keep us in the loop as i'm sure we all have the same units and same issue
[G2 and Desire Z General] :
I wonder is there is a loose hinge and nand correlation.
[G2 and Desire Z General] daijizai:
LOL... It was actually m though... He just agreed, but did know what the specs were for the Desire Z off hand.

Oh, there was BS abound... This was 65 minutes in and 5 reps down when I got transferred to the gent in question.
[G2 and Desire Z General] hendusoone:
Definitely keep us posted. I'm also only showing 2GB, would be nice to get the full 4GB.
[G2 and Desire Z General] dynamikd:
Are you serious? That's great!
[G2 and Desire Z General] xile6:
Same here only got like 2gb. Hopefully we dont have to return the phone because that will take along time
[G2 and Desire Z General] RaffieKol:
Just Got Off The Phone With Tmobile

They Want Me To Go To A T-Mobile Store and Confirm That The Memory Is Only 1.2gb and they said they will take care of it from there.

They Also Told Me That I Was The First Person That Called About The Problem????

Looks Like Tmobile Gots a big problem on there hands as there were over a thousands of devices sent out thats whats they told me.

I will let you know tomorrow after i go to the store...
[G2 and Desire Z General] AZ2ENVY:
I didnt see this one coming :(
[G2 and Desire Z General] mcp2009:
this sucks.. i just spent about 2hrs getting all my apps and stuff back... I'm going to go to the store on the 6th and see what they say.
[G2 and Desire Z General] oldsk00lz:
Yeh... is crazy... was quite perplexing as numbers just weren't adding up. :O Sounds like some users will get replacements sent to them, and then they can return their original phone after receipt. I hope they do this for all of their customers.

Still a pain to deal with reinstalls/backups/etc. Especially without root!!
[G2 and Desire Z General] AZ2ENVY:
My G2 arrives tomorrow . If it has 2.1GB of ROM instead of 4GB I dont know what Im gonna do :( Maybe just keep it and just use my 32GB card or return the phone ????
[G2 and Desire Z General] RaffieKol:
So I guess the big question is "is there anyone out there that got 4gb internal memory"

Someone reliable :confused:
[G2 and Desire Z General] ericc191:
Sounds like the batch of pre-orders will all have the desire-z nand.
[G2 and Desire Z General] crr127:
that sux.. ya mine has it too. not really sure what i'm gonna do about this.. still having fun playing at the moment.
[G2 and Desire Z General] ericc191:
Oh, I'll definitely trade mine in for a 4GB one once it's been fixed.. but with my luck, the G2 I get tomorrow will have a solid hinge and the 4GB G2 I get will have a loose hinge.
[G2 and Desire Z General] sino8r:
OMFG! This is too f*cking much! I can't believe this?! I'm in shock...:mad::confused::confused::mad:

WE NEED REALLY CONFIRMATION THOUGH! A PICTURE OF SOMEONE'S PHONE WITH SOMETHING OTHER THAN 1.27GB...

WHAT A STUPID MISTAKE!!! Me angry now!:mad: HOW DO THEY STAMP THE WRONG DAMN

NAND

CHIP!!! @#$%^&*()? I hope we can take ours to the retail stores and exchange them there. I hate f*cking UPS and waiting on them and having to do this all over! GRRRAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!! Sorry guys, I'm fired up! I need to go to sleep, lol... stupid work tomorrow... TGIF! (lame 80's reference:D)
[G2 and Desire Z General] thedarkpassenger:
after having 4 Vibrants, all buggy as hell, I finally got TMO to send me a G2 as a replacement. I don't really mind if it needs to be replaced as soon as I get it - the UPS guy knows just where I live :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] unforgiven512:
We should stop panicking and wait for 1) root and 2) more information. It very well could be unpartitioned space? I've never heard of a 2.1GB flash chip, have you?
[G2 and Desire Z General] atlp99:
Unless T-Mobile makes an exception to the policy, exchanges must be done through customer care for handsets that were ordered through care or online. The replacement G2 would be sent first and then the original phone would be returned to T-Mobile, so at least you would still have your G2.

Presale orders will NOT be able to be exchanged in store. (unless an exception is made, and I doubt that will happen)

I have been off since Monday but I will check and see if this is a known issue with tech support tomorrow when I work in the afternoon.

Also to anyone that calls in to set up an exchange, make sure you are getting a new handset not refurbished. Warranty exchanges can be refurbished handsets.
[G2 and Desire Z General] sino8r:
Yeah we need proof that someone has a allegedly non defected phone with 4GB. Otherwise... I call bs and say its in the rom on a partition somewhere. We won't know until someone takes a pic of a phone with free memory or we have root access and confirm for sure...

And yes, we need to calm down. Especially me, lol. I was flipping out for a few minutes. I need sleep good night for real this time, lol
[G2 and Desire Z General] ericc191:
I agree. I get my phone tomorrow and already have a sour taste in my mouth from this "loose hinge" issue and now the 1.5GB thing. I really like the way this thing looks, but I'll return it and wait for something better if I have to.

..sigh *looks down at old ass htc wizard*
[G2 and Desire Z General] oldsk00lz:
Wouldn't the missing GB still be shown in /proc/partitions if it did exist? At first I thought there might be a separate FAT32 partition, but only the 2.1 GB and the sdcard are visible.
[G2 and Desire Z General] RaffieKol:
So pissed
[G2 and Desire Z General] oldsk00lz:
Is it possible these preorders have the Desiree Z's FM tuner? I'd probably rather have the memory.
[G2 and Desire Z General] sino8r:
hahahha! I was wondering that too. I installed FM tuner from the desire z dump but it force closes when opening. Probably because it's missing the odex file related to it but... that would cause it not to install, period. I think...? hmmm...

still no reports of anyone with a G2 with more than 2GBs? Could they have made that many errors? LOL! the G2 is back ordered now. Either they sold out or recalling them. This so crazy! maybe the G2 with the 2gb mistake will become a collector's item, lol! well, I gonna get like 3 hrs of sleep tonight. expect me to act crazy here tomorrow from the lack of sleep and pure delirium! MUHHAUHAUAHHA!:eek:
[G2 and Desire Z General] TheMan42:
I'm calling bull, whatever that rep told you is what you wanted to hear.
[G2 and Desire Z General] TheMan42:
nothing
[G2 and Desire Z General] daijizai:
Slow down there hoss. Yes, HTC may have screwed the pooch on this one and stamped the wrong NAND, but T-Mobile bears the ultimate responsibility. They rebranded the device for sale under their company, and provided the interface for purchase. As such they bear a responsibility to ensure their sub-contractors and vendors successfully complete the burdens which they are assigned with a high-quality solution meeting the agreed specifications.

T-Mobile should have raised the red flag to HTC when they received sample units with the 2GB NAND. It is as simple as that.
[G2 and Desire Z General] unforgiven512:
I have an odd feeling that we're going to get an OTA update relatively soon, fixing the NAND issue, giving us WiFi calling, and distinguishable 3G/HSPA/HSPA+ indicators. Possibly tethering, and possibly an FM Radio app.

Look on TmoNews, some of the screenshots from the UMA/WiFi calling articles.

Just my $0.02
[G2 and Desire Z General] daijizai:
One problem there... They can give us UMA, indicators, tethering, etc... via software only if the hardware supports the capability... The internal flash appears to the system to be the wrong one per /proc/partitions. The base of the drive is not 4GB.

major minor #blocks name

179 0 2203648 mmcblk0

I storngly believe this is an offense where a replacement is required.
[G2 and Desire Z General] RaffieKol:
and your point is ???

I gave my money to tmobile and they are the ones that are making a profit from me.

They better fix this quick. I mean real quick or there CS and tech lines wont stop beeping
[G2 and Desire Z General] unforgiven512:
I guess we need to wait for a brave soul to take their G2 apart...
[G2 and Desire Z General] tep065:
Just got off the phone with T-Mo, transfered to tech support, the guy on the phone sounded a bit confused and asked me to go to the T-mo store :). So at 10am, gonna take a walk over there and see what they say about it.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Gr8gorilla:
When I run cat /proc/partitions

I get the same except on 0 2203648 mmcblk0

32 15558144 mmcblk1

33 15058593 mmcblk1p1

34 499550 mmcblk1p2

I am guessing that blk0 is the system or the ROM as it were and the blk1 is the storage space partitioned off for use by us for apps. That is all the damn memory this thing has!
[G2 and Desire Z General] navillos:
Holy [MOD_EDIT] people calm down. There is no way that it only has 2gb of memory. If it shows over 2gb total (like 2.1gb) then the rest of the memory is just locked out and can be opened with an OTA. if it was only 2gb of memory it would be less than 2gb (like 1.86 or something). So chill the [MOD_EDIT] out guys, who here even has enough apps for now to fill up 1.5gb. I cant believe the OP is dumb enough not to figure this [MOD_EDIT] out and instead gets on here and starts a [MOD_EDIT] RIOT! So just chill

Oh and this whole partition check [MOD_EDIT] wont work if the Kernel doesnt see the memory as well. Its only going to report what the Kernel sees. It will be fixed when a new kernel is released in an OTA. Come on guys almost all of you have way more posts than me and you dont know [MOD_EDIT].
[G2 and Desire Z General] xile6:
Well said.

We gotta wait till oct 6/ second batch and find out if some1 else has 4gb. If no1 has it then its just hidden. From view. Im fine with 2gb as long as it have a big enough spot for updates it doesnt matter. We got an 8gb card and apps 2 sd froyo.

On a side note does anyone have an desire Z to comfirm its the same size as r g2? If its less then we got a different chip
[G2 and Desire Z General] WarBird87:
My memory only shows 1.16gb...
[G2 and Desire Z General] hendusoone:
You're looking in the SD card & phone storage settings, right? The "Available Space" listed there under internal storage is the amount of free space. So if you've installed a bunch of apps, yours will be lower. Mine's showing 1.14GB available (after installing a bunch of apps), and the output of my cat /proc/partitions is identical to what zephirus posted.

I haven't tried contacting tmo about the 2GB/4GB yet, but I might drop by my local store later today to see what they say.
[G2 and Desire Z General] androidtoy09:
I can almost be certain that those local store guys won't know more than you. They are sale reps. That's it.

But on the optimistic side, I hope you will find more information. Good luck and please keep us posted :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] Gr8gorilla:
If you add the memory in the two partitions, blk0 and blk1 then you do get under 2GB it is like 1.8GB total add the bytes in my post 1555?? that comes to about 1.5Gb then blk0 is about .3GB which totals what you said it would have to be 1.8 to have the wrong chip.

17761792 bytes total actually

We got Screwed, HTC messed up. Please call T-mobile if you also only have 2GB.

It happens.
[G2 and Desire Z General] 12345Doug:
RAM is More Concerning

To me the bigger issue is the RAM. I'm showing only 384MB of RAM. Anyone else getting 512?
[G2 and Desire Z General] xal33x:
My question is how much space does froyo take up on its own? with any thing extra installed?
[G2 and Desire Z General] crr127:
that's the right amount of ram. it is going to show you usable memory. the rest of the 512 is locked for the radio and system.. that's right
[G2 and Desire Z General] Gr8gorilla:
Just got off the phone with T-Mobile, they transferred me to HTC, supposedly making this a Known issue and an HTC problem. I am on with HTC now. We will see where this goes.
[G2 and Desire Z General] crr127:
i'm on with tmobile now alsol. she just put me on hold after telling me that they were not aware of this issue. lol idiots.. naw i shouldn't say that she seemed like a nice enough person but damnit!!! really they directed you to HTC huh?
[G2 and Desire Z General] Jorsher:
Getting upset at the CSR is kind of pointless. In a perfect world, you would always get extremely knowledgeable people on the phone, but the truth is that most people aren't nearly as tech-savvy as XDA members. 99% of their questions will be basic stuff that they can answer.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to hearing what HTC says.
[G2 and Desire Z General] crr127:
she is very nice. the girl i'm talking to now is sitting right next to their business side that has a focus group in place for issues. she is gonna tell them about the mms tiny pictures as well for us...
[G2 and Desire Z General] funkadesi:
if we can get the part-number from inside the phone, we could use google to look it up and confirm whether its 2GB or 4GB.

i don't have my phone yet, any brave souls wanna volunteer? lol
[G2 and Desire Z General] Gr8gorilla:
HTC is aware of the issue, they have had several calls and are doing RMA's to repair the phone at this time. They say they have no official "bad batch" of phones yet and, if there was a "bad batch" they have no way of knowing who got the phones...... So I am setting up my RMA now and I guess it is a good thing that I still have the Vibrant to use while my phone is out for repair.

So for those of you who don't believe that HTC screwed up, I think you should get ready to have your phone replaced!
[G2 and Desire Z General] androidtoy09:
Does iFixit ring any bells? lol
[G2 and Desire Z General] mcp2009:
Noooooo dang. I don't really feel like sending this back. The first wait was bad enough
[G2 and Desire Z General] Gr8gorilla:
Update, there is no support set up at HTC yet, so they cant get my phone sent in till monday or tuesday at the earliest. Because they don't even have the part number in the system.
[G2 and Desire Z General] ihateusernames:
Great. Now I wish I would have waited. I really don't feel like getting a phone and just having to turn around and send it back.

Do we know if there are any phones out there with the correct amount of memory?
[G2 and Desire Z General] Gr8gorilla:
someone said a tech Tmo had one in hand that had the right amount of memory. Haven't seen anyone on here post that they have the right amount though.
[G2 and Desire Z General] dynamikd:
Good job! I am going to TMobile right now!
[G2 and Desire Z General] mcp2009:
Cool!! Please let us know what they say!
[G2 and Desire Z General] dynamikd:
Absolutely. My phone says that there is 1.20 gb free and I would like to get the rest :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] Jorsher:
So, any idea if they'll go the usual route and send me the new phone with a label to send the old one back so that I don't have any downtime?

I wish I didn't have to deal with this, but it's not really anything to get upset about IMO. I bought the phone knowing that there may be issues, although obviously I was hoping there wouldn't be any.

poop happens.
[G2 and Desire Z General] mimstyle:
yes but is better than the 150mb of nexus or desire
[G2 and Desire Z General] mcp2009:
Yea that's what I'm wondering. I'm not to upset because I still have my nexus. The only thing I will hate is restoring all my apps especially without root.
[G2 and Desire Z General] theclueless:
i dont particularly mind the 1.2GB space instead of 4GB, since the additional 2.8 cant really store much stuff anyways (but having it wont hurt :D)

i will most likely wont be returning the device until the root is out, it is pain in the butt to reconfig all the locale rules and other settings without titanium backup
[G2 and Desire Z General] mcp2009:
I'm thinking the same. Once root is out I'll do a titanium, unroot, and switch.
[G2 and Desire Z General] tubaking182:
i'm glad HTC is admitting that something got screwed up, i will have to hold out on buying the phone until i can hold the device in hand and ensure it will have the 4GB of space. i don't necessarily thing that i need all that space but with only an 8GB sdcard i need more space for backups(loving the automatic backup in ROM manager, saves me from having to remember to backup before i mess with stuff). hopefully the phones sold in store on the 6th will have the correct amount of space on them
[G2 and Desire Z General] Jorsher:
Yep, me too.

I'm sure a root will be out in the not-too-distant future, and I'd like to give HTC/T-Mobile time to figure out how they're going to handle this issue so I'm not the guinea pig.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Gr8gorilla:
After talking to both TMO and HTC, as of now the phone is not in HTC's list for doing any kind of repair. Tmo is saying they arent doing exchanges as of now, its popping up in there system and they don't want to send you another phone that isn't working properly either. It is really a pain in the ass. I hope they can figure out quickly what went wrong and get it fixed.