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[G2 and Desire Z General] :
I agree totally:/

On monday morning I will be cancelling my order with handtec, and never buying another htc product again. It's disgusting how bad HTC have treated us. It's been a total shambles from start to finish!

It's so bad as the only alternative may be the iPhone4;( HTC suck big time! Not for the delays, but for the blanket of secrecy...

JD
[G2 and Desire Z General] Porcelina:
I'm sorry, but listen to yourself.. do you realize how crazy some of you talk? Its still october for gods sake, and some of you talk like the phone should have been here in may or something, and like we've been waiting for months and months over the promised time! The release is imminent, remember that - it will happen ANY DAY NOW. So close to the finish line here! Take a chill pill :p
[G2 and Desire Z General] faugusztin:
Do you realize than in most cases, the release was postponed (again) to 8th-11th November with no guarantee of any sort that this is the last one ?
[G2 and Desire Z General] :
Why should we?

If it has been delayed constantly, and there is no communication to this regard, we should be pissed.... And I think it's our right to get annoyed if we pay 450 pounds for a phone and it's not delivered on time. So can you please stop trying to be so condescending and understand the view of the consumer.

Jeez there is always someone on here trying to tell other people how to act, we act how we want, if we are pissed at constant delays, then that's our prerogative!

And I think we have paid for that right;)

JD
[G2 and Desire Z General] Porcelina:
So? Its an estimated date, not an accurate one. As I said before, the date for the HTC Desire HD was nov 15th here, and it suddenly arrived yesterday and was shipped to all customers with preorders immediately. Stop worrying about those dates, estimations will only make you nutty :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] Porcelina:
But just as much as you feel entitled to go on and on about how HTC has been, somehow, treating you wrong, I am entitled to say it does sound nutty after such a short amount of time. I'm a consumer just like you, so we're pretty much in the same boat as to what we've paid and how long we've waited - personally I've been waiting since the phone was nothing but a rumor this summer, so I think waiting a few days more doesn't really matter. Estimated dates doesn't affect me, but I'm sorry if it affects you that much.
[G2 and Desire Z General] :
It affects me more because HTC have previous history with me, they did the same with the original desire... For me, If a company has to delay, it should inform and give a full disclosure as to why. If your not bothered about your phone or when it's delivered that's fine, but don't try to tell anyone else how to react to this. We are all entitled to react in our own way, however "nutty" it may seem to you;P

JD
[G2 and Desire Z General] :
I think your 11 posts shows your pretty fresh to this scene. I come from the Desire and the Nexus Dev community, and we take android very seriously;P
[G2 and Desire Z General] Porcelina:
I have a history with HTC too, thats why I am calmer this time. I know this is how they do things, and from what you're saying, you shouldn't be surprised either. I do think its sad that they go about these things like they do, but in the end you always get an awesome product, so its worth the wait, isn't it? :)

Considering how Mark Moons, as i quoted earlier, said things would happen late next week in NL, I also think we will be getting more reasonable answers from HTC soon (and the release will happen soon).

Edit: And I'm fresh on this forum as a poster, yes, but I can assure you I'm not fresh on this "scene" - I've owned both WinMo and Android HTC's for years now :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] :
How they do things isn't right, but they do make awesome products yes, and have quality warranty service. And there is no viable alternative to HTC atm;(
[G2 and Desire Z General] Porcelina:
...and theres no viable alternative to the HTC Desire Z either. So either way you lose, right? You can choose to wait longer than you find respectable/comfortable/appropriate/etc OR you can cancel your order and don't get the phone at all. I'm going for option 1 :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] :
I will hold on until the nexus two announcement on the 8th, if it has not dropped by then, the viable alternative might have arrived;)
[G2 and Desire Z General] Porcelina:
Sure, if you can live with a samsung phone I guess that's ok ;)
[G2 and Desire Z General] :
If the GPS works im sold;P the inside info is it has a 1.2ghz processor, and a super amoled screen;)))

But like you say, viable alternative, maybe?

JD
[G2 and Desire Z General] Porcelina:
To me its not.. I've had too many faulty Samsung phones to ever buy a phone from them again - although I love their screen technology (which is why I have a samsung tv etc). :( Had it been a HTC product, it might have been a viable option.. but Nexus phones here means import which means loss in warranty as you can't get service for it.. so.. I think I still would have stuck with the option that provides a warranty in my own country :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] :
Anyway, as soon as the desire z is release I will overclock it to 1.4ghz anyway, can't wait for a full root and custom recovery though.. That's when the real fun begins;)))

JD
[G2 and Desire Z General] :
Yeah I know what you mean about samsung. Lots of people say they are not impressed with their phones... I really like HTC, I just think they really have got their customer relations all wrong;) Well hopefully we will have it next week, and there will be nothing to be annoyed about;))) Fingers crossed;)

JD
[G2 and Desire Z General] Porcelina:
See, I have been around for some time after all ;) Don't let a low post count on one forum fool you next time ok? :)

It will be here soon.. I just know it. Keep those fingers crossed - maybe it'll make it happen sooner ;)
[G2 and Desire Z General] Pickx:
I think this phone is never going to get released. It's just a way for htc to gauge how much interest exists for physical keyboards ;)

Seriously though, to pass the time - what protection are you people buying for this phone? I'm going to use a pouch (original G1 pouch) because I can't stand cases, especially when the phone is as attractive as this one (plus, when the phone drops, there's a 50% chance it'll land on the wrong side anyway...)

Also, I'm getting a Realook SP since these are the only ones that don't make me want to peel them off after 5 minutes.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Porcelina:
I ordered the original HTC SP P300 screen protection along with the phone. I am also considering the HTC S540 pouch :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] :
I ordered an original g1 pouch as well;)) I will use that for outside the house, and inside the house I will get some sort of silicon case;) ugly for in the home, and pretty for outside;))

JD
[G2 and Desire Z General] filippoz:
and I thought I am a weirdo :) thanks God I am not alone :)

you both mentioned things which are important to part of the smartphone community: eg. hardware-keyboard, touch screen, ability to modify things in software (partially in hardware) etc. That is why it is worth to wait but as JD mentioned - customer experience is really bad.

JD when you finally receive your DZ and will go for any modifications I will be first to contact you on that :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] steviewevie:
Thank you for your words of sanity porcelina ! :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] stian230:
so tired of waiting.:cool: want a new toy to play with.
[G2 and Desire Z General] :
No problem mate;)

Its when the fun begins;)))

JD
[G2 and Desire Z General] kholk:
I'm giving up. There's a guy that is shipping T-Mobile G2s in Italy. If he can give me a fast solution for shipping (waiting 8 days? better wait for DZ) I'll cancel my preorder for HTC Desire Z and go on with T-Mobile G2.

I only hope that it works with Italy's 3G networks.
[G2 and Desire Z General] schriss:
You better check 3G bands, because G2 is different from Z. You might end up with phone that doesn't work in 3G and will be hard to sell when Z is finally released.
[G2 and Desire Z General] mashed_ash:
CPW online showing Desire Z as in stock

Is it true???

I've ordered one but have yet to have my confirmation email back saying my order has been accepted... hopefully its not a technical glitch!
[G2 and Desire Z General] muminisko:
Now we have "out of stock - back order" status :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] stian230:
hope this is no joke. sweet Virgin Mary I wil be super jolly happy if Htc have started shipping.
[G2 and Desire Z General] miiZ:
salland and pdashop havent changed theire date so dont count on it.

On those so eager to cancel => if you really want this just wait

@JD: if ya overclock tell me the results on heating (temp of the battery etc) + where do you buy the protection cases ? (any good reference ? )
[G2 and Desire Z General] filippoz:
here http://htc-sklep.pl/platforma-android/179-a7272-desire-z.html they are saying that phone will be shipped on the 2nd or 3rd of Nov if you pro-ordered with them in October.

ehhh waiting is hell
[G2 and Desire Z General] mashed_ash:
i just phoned Carphonewarehouse. They said they are estimating delivery this week but are unable to tell me one.

So far i have 4 pre-orders:

MobileFun - estimating stock arrival 9th November

Play - Estimating stock arrival 5th November

IKINO (Shop in Tottenham Court Road London) - Estimating arrival Tuesday 2nd November

Carphonewarehouse - estimating delivery to me "sometime this week"

Lets see what happens!
[G2 and Desire Z General] Porcelina:
You're welcome :)

Hey, expansys still show oct 29th as expected release date.. haha.. somehow I suspect we'll know more sometime next week :p
[G2 and Desire Z General] t-mon:
haha, store fight to the death! I like it :D
[G2 and Desire Z General] Stellios:
Hopefully they wont all ship at the same time.
[G2 and Desire Z General] :
You can check on the G2 page, the battery effect is negligible due to underclocking when the screen is off, and there is no heat overload;)

JD
[G2 and Desire Z General] AMoosa:
I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but HTC have started a massive advertisiing campaign in the UK - TV ads showing features like flip over to silent the ring tone, and the ability to call your lost phone from the internet even when it's on silent. I've even seen a (small) billboard poster for the Desire Z (2 phones in 1) today. It's a bit of a waste if they are gonna be out of stock everywhere for the next couple of weeks...
[G2 and Desire Z General] hamish909:
I noticed it too, in and around Manc over the weekend/, Ahmed.
[G2 and Desire Z General] gtrab:
...or better go hang out & find a girl,

I promise you will completely forget 'bout this or any phone :D :D

c'mon guys life's beautiful

IMHO it's insane to cancell a month-old-preorder, just a couple of days before stock arrives

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[G2 and Desire Z General] KarlosTheJackal:
This makes me very sad :(
[G2 and Desire Z General] filippoz:
I hope it isn't true :confused:

according to expansys where dates are changing in the speed of light it should be 5 days to start shipping

ehh btw, shame HTC isn't dual sim ;( , does anyone knows if any adapter works with any of the HTC devices?
[G2 and Desire Z General] weszjuh:
Studentmobiel.nl is expecting their first shipment this week.

This was confirmed this morning.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Lennyuk:
Here is a round up of the latest I have seen

DeviceWire (UK) still say they are expecting stock today

Clove (UK) say anytime up to next monday...

Expansys (UK) say wednesday

Play.com (UK) say the 5th

Amazon (UK) say the 8th

So I would say its back to no one having a clue again.

I heard that there are two possible reasons for this

1) had to reflash all z's due to bad sectors in nand

2) stock issues due to demand of the g2 in the usa (this doesn't really wash with me due to the fact g2's are still being sold with faulty hinge until the 20th when the fixed version is out)
[G2 and Desire Z General] penguin20000:
and so another week of madness begins.....

ps expansys have said tomorrow on their forums
[G2 and Desire Z General] Lennyuk:
that would match what they told me in an email last week too then. However if true the reflash issue I mentioned in my last post only came about this weekend so all dates may have changed.
[G2 and Desire Z General] penguin20000:
Awesome news lol :(

The guy over @ expansys also said "Not been advised of further dealys."

So they may be getting a shock some time today then.... :(

http://www.expansys.com/ft.aspx?k=124391&page=2
[G2 and Desire Z General] Lennyuk:
yeah, we are just going to have to wait and see now, I trust my contact at clove and he said it could be anytime up to the 8th, so I guess we really won't know until they ship.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Lennyuk:
Hi TDC

from what I have heard the 20th is the release date of the new G2 with fixed hinge, the Z has the issue fixed already apparently, review videos out Friday suggested this too.

Expansys have indeed said on their forums today that they are expecting stock tomorrow in the UK warehouse but I would not be surprised at all if this is delayed.

http://www.expansys.com/ft.aspx?k=124391&page=2
[G2 and Desire Z General] KarlosTheJackal:
Sometimes i like to reminisce to a time when we all thought it would be released the begining of october, Ahh good times...
[G2 and Desire Z General] Porcelina:
I've sent an email to someone above customer support in HTC, as the customer support tells me nothing that I can't find on google myself.. hopefully I'll get an answer soon :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] :
You will likely get a non-sensical message that states that the desire z has not been released, or that it has been released and it's your suppliers fault.

HTC = Charlatans!

JD
[G2 and Desire Z General] Porcelina:
Yes, that is the HTC customer service, and their useless copy paste answers... but my mail went to one of the press contacts. I'm assuming they might know more :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] :
Good luck guys,

I have just cancelled my order, this is not the service I want or paid for, will think about the next move;(

JD
[G2 and Desire Z General] vinvv:
Mark Moons twitter suggests this week:

http://twitter.com/#!/markmoons/status/29357508924

"Goedemorgen! Welkom in de week van de Desire Z."

translated

"Good morning! Welcome in the week of the Desire Z."
[G2 and Desire Z General] Noxis:
Well if they get stock they get my money, I already have 2 pre-orders tho so I am not doing a 3rd :p
[G2 and Desire Z General] lovelldr:
lol, go on. You know you want to...

BTW, if you get the other 2 pre-orders on same day, you could be kind and donate one to me ;) hehe. I can just send mine back then :p hehe
[G2 and Desire Z General] amireshan:
Same here!

I been told by expansys, its will be some time end of october before I received my own order... I hope its quick.. can't wait any longer ;)
[G2 and Desire Z General] Neuromansa:
I have preordered mine from SuperETrader on ebay, and the guy told me that their stock date has been delayed to October 11 for unknown reasons.

I was wondering...maybe stores get the new phones at different times? Is that even possible?
[G2 and Desire Z General] Noxis:
What doesn't make sense to me is why HTC would stiff big names like Amazon/Play - smaller but successful names like Handtec/Clove then hand their stock to 3rd rate website/ebay traders like SuperETrader (no offence to SuperETrader - everyone gotta start somewhere).
[G2 and Desire Z General] Neuromansa:
Hmmm...could that be because Amazon/Play or other 'big names' get bigger stocks? I mean, maybe SuperETrader gets about 20 phones as initial stock while Amazon ordered 200 phones...I dunno guys, guess I'm just raving right now :D...I want this f#*@ing phone!
[G2 and Desire Z General] Daffa222:
My boss knew I was ordering this phone and asked why I hadn't ordered it through our company (we're a computer company really, but he's looking into selling phones as well) and so put me on to his contact in the phone world. I wish I'd of found out what company he was from before I typed this (I'll find out for tomorrow though) but he told me today that the Desire Z had been pushed back because it failed Google's initial testing and that it's due to test again on the 11th. Don't know how true or not this is, or if it even makes sense, but that's what I was told.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Noxis:
I am not sure it does make sense with the G2 release in the US?
[G2 and Desire Z General] MK365:
Lol I just registered on the forum to say the above, but its been said.

I cant wait till the damn thing is released and in my hands.
[G2 and Desire Z General] StuRoid:
Surely then if it was only getting tested again on the 11th that would push the date back even further. I can't see this being the reason for the delay.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Noxis:
http://blog.clove.co.uk/2010/10/05/htc-desire-hd-delayed-until-late-october/

Seems like it might be the DesireHD rather than the Z... which would make more sense since it is not released anywhere else yet.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Stellios:
Well play have put the Z back till the 1st Nov now, whether they are just covering their arses for further delays or not though I dont know.
[G2 and Desire Z General] StuRoid:
I think they might have learnt a lesson that it's better to push the date back further than expected once and ship the phone before that date then to keep pushing it back and getting people annoyed.
[G2 and Desire Z General] lovelldr:
Interesting how they blog about the hd on their site, but don't put anything at all about the desire z...

Let's hope this is all correct, and they just put the z back to end of october because of the hd problems...
[G2 and Desire Z General] Neuromansa:
I did a quick googling and all the 'delayed' results where about the Desire HD only.

Still believe in October 11 (at least want to) :D
[G2 and Desire Z General] schriss:
Maybe they are delaying because of those hardware issues with loose hinges? Like making sure affected devices won't get shipped?

But then why would HD be delayed. Maybe because all staff busy checking Z shipment for faulty stock? :-)

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[G2 and Desire Z General] faugusztin:
Except the fact that nearly everyone pushed Desire Z dates to late october/start of november ?
[G2 and Desire Z General] Neuromansa:
Omg. My retailer just refreshed the stock date to October 29th. Crap.
[G2 and Desire Z General] andrewilley:
Email from SuperEtrader a short time ago. Not unexpected to be honest:
[G2 and Desire Z General] Noxis:
That still doesnt make sense with the G2 already released in the states.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Porcelina:
Yes, thats what he said earlier too.. that it would be this week :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] :
If it drops this week I will purchase through carphonewarehouse, they will have the biggest batch for sure in the uk;) no point waiting for a preorder with handtec as you will be waiting for 3-4 batches....

JD
[G2 and Desire Z General] Lennyuk:
My advice would be to only buy from a well known shop, chances are ebay or a lesser known shop may have stock with the old hinges and bad firmware.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Porcelina:
Not sure which shop to rely on in the UK, as I don't live there.. my order is placed with the company in my country who always ship first :) And my order is in the first batch! :D

True. Its better to pay a little bit extra to get the warranty and a reliable store where you can return your product - if you ever needed service on it :) I did not go for the cheapest store in my country, I went for the one who ships first, and who has good service to their customers. :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] mashed_ash:
Just spoke to Carphonewarehouse and there are expecting the Desire Z in early next week.

I agree about getting the phone from a big "trusted" retailer incase there are any issues with the hinge. With this in mind, I will be cancelling my other pre-orders and probably just going with Carphonewarehouse.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Lennyuk:
So thats clove, amazon and carphone warehouse all saying the 8th then.

My guess is it will be the 8th
[G2 and Desire Z General] muminisko:
or 11 Nov as our crazy German already said :)

BTW. As I said before we all should post what we think about this situation on HTC facebook wall/forum. Maybe lots of angry customers make them think twice about keeping the word and cheating customers...
[G2 and Desire Z General] Lennyuk:
Who knows! lets hope HTC Germany and Expansys have it right, but I am sure it will be next week now :(
[G2 and Desire Z General] penguin20000:
wheee i do like all these fun & games.

i might just go get a WP7 device as i was seriously tempted to anyway....
[G2 and Desire Z General] schriss:
Same here.. but it would have to be the Pro, with keyboard, not sure if it's out yet.

And I had Windows Mobile phones for years and the reason I want Z is Android, because I will never have fully working ported Android on WM phone (running Android on Touch Pro2 at the moment)
[G2 and Desire Z General] Lennyuk:
just had a "I told you so" from a source who told me over a week ago it would be the 8th, he is checking now to make sure there are no further delays at the moment.
[G2 and Desire Z General] penguin20000:
lol worst release evar!!111

on a sidenote SuperETrader just sent me a twitter reply to a msg i sent last week saying it should be in stock this week (i doubt it).

I also sent them an email this morning, but no reply yet.
[G2 and Desire Z General] schriss:
I still hope it will start shipping this week... silly me.
[G2 and Desire Z General] skulk3r:
i wonder what's taking them so long especially as the Desire HD is already out. Did they decide to fix some stuff up?

..I guess i had better hold onto my sluggish Touch HD for the mean time (i.e.: for the next few weeks! :( ) then...
[G2 and Desire Z General] AgaZaKa:
I think I will pre-order on Expansys today in the evening. I do hope they know what they say. If they won't ship until Monday I will have to cancel order and reorder after my holiday. I was waiting until last minute to make sure the phone is finally in stock.
[G2 and Desire Z General] schriss:
Expansys UK still shows:

"Availability: Estimated 2 Days". Can this be real? :D
[G2 and Desire Z General] penguin20000:
by the sounds of it, doubtful but here's hoping :D
[G2 and Desire Z General] simbloke:
Is this the closest they've got to their ETA before adding on a few days?

Seeing most of their other sites showing Nov 11 doesn't inspire confidence :(
[G2 and Desire Z General] YOSEFE:
And did anyone preorder with TotalPDA? Their site shows "in stock". What does that mean? I ask because their site also has "low stock" and "available" on their other phones.

What does "in stock" mean?
[G2 and Desire Z General] penguin20000:
email & ask :) i bet it soons goes to "out of stock" as has happened with many other web stores so far in this epic saga
[G2 and Desire Z General] schriss:
They wait for some orders then they will change status to Out of stock. They are fishing for pre-orders.

Unless they really have them in stock.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Lennyuk:
I know someone who just phoned them

They said they were expecting a delivery this morning (as what htc told them) but it didn't arrive. Now they don't know, they said they can only assume it will be tomorrow now (or later today) but I think we all know better....
[G2 and Desire Z General] schriss:
If they all expect delivery, wouldn't they have tracking numbers with Fedex or something and it would state as shipped some time ago? Can't expect something to be delivered today if it wasn't shipped last week.

Can we get the tracking numbers somehow? :-)
[G2 and Desire Z General] Lennyuk:
Don't think they deal with tracking numbers when they expect delivery of stock direct from htc like this.
[G2 and Desire Z General] penguin20000:
But HTC are saying the shops are getting them from the suppliers.... :rolleyes:
[G2 and Desire Z General] Lennyuk:
some shops will be, any "htc partner" shops will get them direct from htc.