[Galaxy S I9000 General] tameracingdriver:
Oh dont get me wrong, I know this and appreciate it, its very much like the situation on computers with Macs versus Windows... but for me at least, unlike computers now where windows is now very stable and for me, is pretty much just as nice and easy to use as the Mac and very fast (as long as you've got a decent PC), I still think Android has some way to go before I could recommend it over an iphone for your average joes of the world.

My lass has an android phone, an HTC Magic, and TBH, she doesn't have a clue how to use half of the things on it, and its pretty much wasted on her. She also has an iPod Touch. Guess which one she prefers using?

I tried it once on the SGS and you cannot deny that it does slow things down - its still usable for sure, and yes, I'd concede I'd probably rather have the option than not, but its not a deal breaker for me to not have it, and when I did use a Froyo ROM on my SGS, I generally set it to not automatically play as it was often more of a hindrance than help.

I think this is down to perception - sure the SGS will survive the couple of years that most people use it, its just that, it simply doesn't feel like a premium product, which it is mean't to be. It feels and looks cheap compared to the iPhone 4 or even the HTC Desire or Nexus One. The back cover scratches easily mine has several large blemishes that I cannot explain how they got there considering how much I tend to baby my phones.

See this is whats odd for me - autokiller for me actually helps with the performance of the phone and reduces lags. When I install new firmwares, I always first try them stock, then usually put the lag fix on when the lag inevitably happens... but even then still I get lag... so I put autokiller on which improves matters again.

Are you saying autokiller reduces battery life? Do you have any evidence you can show me that proves this to be the case?

To be fair, I have no actual evidence it helps performance, but subjectively it does SEEM to and other folks have also noticed this.

As we're talking about battery life, as I said, my mate and I are both heavy users of the phones we have - I work in a job where I am often just waiting for things to happen, so to prevent boredom, I am often playing a game or surfing the internet on my phone. Our usage patterns are virtually identical. He can get two full days of pretty heavy use out of his - I can only manage a day tops. I am baffled at people saying the battery life on these is good as other people again have reported otherwise. Makes me wonder if some SGSs have different batteries to others?

Trust me I know about all of the tips to increase battery life, but to me, turning off things that are supposed to be the selling point of the phone and the android platform just to save battery seems to be somewhat at odds with the point of these phones. Why should I turn off 3G just to save battery? My mate doesn't turn his off and his lasts 2 days. Why doesn't mine? I don't run hardly any widgets or background services.

Sure if I don't use the phone much then I can get longer, but so what? I'm on about battery life when actually using the phone.

Thing is, battery life is subjective at best - one persons "heavy" use is another persons "light" use.

However, in my EXPERIENCE, the iphone 4 is simply far better on batteries than any android phone. Why is it me and my colleagues all end up having our android phones plugged in constantly while we are at our desks, while my iphone 4 using friend doesn't need to? Heck my boss even bought a cradle for his HTC Desire as, in his words, the battery life is pretty crap!

Now you see, the photos I've seen that have been taken with the iphone 4 are simply so much better than what I see with my SGS. There are certain situations where the SGS can get reasonably close, but in other situations, the iphone 4 simply blows it away.

Have a look at some of the photos on this thread (some of them are removed now, and some aren't all that, but it shows what the iphone CAN do in the right hands)

http://www.avforums.com/forums/iphone/1277229-get-your-iphone-photos-out-lads.html

Look at some of those and you must admit, the SGS would be pretty lucky to be able to do photos as good as some of those.

Never compared videos so can't comment, however, I did record some video recently at a music festival I went to last month, and the audio was horribly distorted. Now I know it is loud there, but it wasnt THAT loud, and it was VERY disappointing to hear how bad the audio was.

Use an iphone 4 for any length of time, and you'll see that it IS more responsive.

Have a look at this video which shows the nexus one (which at present, outperforms the SGS) against the iphone 4.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc_RAsoVIFk

Another example I personally have of lag is when pressing the home button after I've say used the stock browser - sometimes, inexplicably, I get a lag of up to 5 seconds, and thats with the voodoo beta 4 lag fix!

Agreed, the voodoo fix is a big help... but it doesn't cure it. To be honest, its a FACT that the iphone is faster at present than any android phone. If you say otherwise, then your head is stuck firmly in the sand. As the other poster said, much of it is to do with the fact iOS has one platform that it has to run on, and can be heavily optimised for it. On paper, the iphone 4 is slower than the SGS, and other android phones, but in reality, it is actually noticeably faster in day to day use, and anyone who says otherwise really hasn't tried both, or isn't being honest.

Indeed, what can you say - it's a fact. Again, much like any android phone, but the SGS is worse than most.

I still think the iphone has a big edge on apps at the minute, and although apple are a little controlling in what can be released, there's no denying that it means apps rarely, if ever, crash.

I'm happy yours works, but mine does not. Both times I tried to use google navigation, it initially worked, then lost the satellite fix when I started to move, and it got hopelessly lost. If thats what is classed as "working", then I'd hate to see a broken one :D

True, finally we are in agreement on something... and I would add to that, the main drawback with the iphone is itunes - hateful software.

That would be spot on - maybe except the linux part - I dont need a phone to be a computer... I have a computer for that :D

Agreed, his fixes are excellent. Never tried the audio fix - although I half assumed it might be included in the voodoo fix. The colour fix does nice things for the text and really improves the perceived sharpness.