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[G2 and Desire Z General] milopalmer:
5500 kbs in Seattle!

In Seattle I'm getting 5500+ kbs download, 1100+ kbs upload. Very impressed! Better than my cable modem or DSl. Much love T-Mo!
[G2 and Desire Z General] Smokuevo:
3.8 download and .7 upload in chicago suburbs more or less. Elgin Illinois
[G2 and Desire Z General] Clackamas:
I am near the TMO headquaters in Redmond, and according to iNetworkTest, I am getting 4.2Mbps down. In Downtown Seattle, I have been seeing about 3.5Mpbs.

I am pretty sure it was in UTMS mode as watching the phone it keeps toggline between UTMS/HSDPA. This is probably why I have gotten poor battery life too.

I have discovered you can tell if you go to "Settings->About Phone->Status" the Mobile network type will tell you if you are in UMTS or HSDPA.
[G2 and Desire Z General] ohiojoe:
EVO 4G here. Columbus, Ohio.Often get ~10mb/s dl, 1.5mb/s ul. Any other time, I get 6+mb/s dl, same ul. Sprint has 4G on a few scattered towers but not officially announced yet, so they don't have to meet any speeds yet.
[G2 and Desire Z General] dale_cooper:
What I mean is that if you're seeing 2Mbps on tmobile's network, you're in an HSPA+ area. Like I said its this simple - I would like to hear from people on tmobile that hit 2 Mbps in a non hspa+ deployed area - it simply did not happen.

HSPA+ is a 3g technology no? So therefore everyone with a 3g capable phone on tmobile is accessing the enhanced network if you're in an area with it - NYC for example. THE DIFFERENCE is regular HSDPA phones like the nexus one are capped at 7.2 Mbps. TRUE hspa+ capable devices (G2) are not capped, so they are going to go OVER that limit, and in general should probably attain better speeds due to being optimized. Back to my post, will you necessarily see that capability/speed today? No, tmobile has to continue to beef up already deployed areas.

The terms HSPA+, 4g, 3g, etc have people in a confusion. Its like when HSPA+ networks rollout, people with mytouch, vibrants, nexus one, etc etc are like - "wait can I achieve those new speeds or network" well sure you can, you have an hsdpa phone that can access that newly enhanced network. However when hspa+ devices roll out, you'll see much greater speeds (like hspa+ jump drives have recently) with those devices.

HSPA+ is not like sprint's 4g where sprint's existing 3g capable phones could not take advantage of it. Although, when tmobile really gets busy with the infrastructure of HSPA+ in their networks (speeds over 10 Mbps and who knows how fast, I've seen some crazy tmobile bandwidth graphs), the normal 3g phones won't be able to truly benefit whatsoever.

So for cliff notes, it seems like only some areas, are people hitting TRUE HSPA+ quality speeds (that only hspa+ devices can attain, which would be over 7.2 Mbps). Again it takes time for the network to come to fruition... hell anything over 4 Mbps in my mind is still blazing fast for a mobile connection.
[G2 and Desire Z General] dale_cooper:
HOly cow, seriously? I tried out the evo here in Columbus back in July but switched back to tmobile when their HSPA+ got deployed here. Very impressive, lucky you
[G2 and Desire Z General] elracing21:
H+ in NYC sucks asss... I tried uptown, midtown and downtown all today and it didnt pass 2700kbps down and 700 up I think it has to do with buildings or all the other frecuencies out there idk but it sucked. at times it wouldnt pass 500 on either sides. (next to the bk bridge).

Here in the bronx tho I just got 7000+ down and 3000+up

so what gives?
[G2 and Desire Z General] kalipedia:
I concur - speeds in NYC are terrible (nothing over 2mbps down for me), but customer svc today told me a ton of towers are out of service because of the terrible weather last week and that they are working to repair them. So, presumably it will get better.
[G2 and Desire Z General] dkaz46:
Yeah I haven't been getting the best speeds but I atill can stream HQ videos while walking to class :-)
[G2 and Desire Z General] elracing21:
well thanks for that info.
[G2 and Desire Z General] heygrl:
Have either of you had Verizon, Sprint (yuck) or AT&T? You're DOWNTOWN, 2Mbps is not bad for a HIGH traffic area. You would be lucky to hit 2Mbps with Verizon or Sprint -- EVER.
[G2 and Desire Z General] g1g2comparison:
7.2M down x 1.3M up in San Jose, CA (Evergreen area):

Flickr picture: bit.ly/bxm09K
[G2 and Desire Z General] imblacklife:
Highest speed I got was in the bronx at my job which was 4.7 download 1.2 upload...and that was just once
[G2 and Desire Z General] russbustah:
The "H" doesn't necessarily mean hspa+, you are probably still on hspda. Big difference. You can check out which one by going to settings-about-network, and it should say hspa+ or hspda.
[G2 and Desire Z General] vdub804:
Im in Va no hspa+ speeds yet
[G2 and Desire Z General] kalipedia:
Wait, really? Mine just says hsdpa, not hspa+. You are sure it makes that distinction? If so, I'm wondering why I've yet to see hspa+. I know new york is high traffic, but still, it's a big market and the high speed network shouldn't disappoint.
[G2 and Desire Z General] xencor:
I've noticed that mine either says "HSDPA" or "UMTS" but I've yet to see "HSPA+" and I'm 100% positive I'm in an area with HSPA+. I'm pretty sure HSDPA = HSPA+ and UMTS is just regular ol' 3G.
[G2 and Desire Z General] heygrl:
The 3G icon is plain UMTS when you have the H icon to reflect HSPA. "HSDPA" is HSPA - not just HSDPA. You're getting HSUPA as well. 3G@UMTS of which none of T-Mobile's network should be, is 384Kbps MAX notwithstanding network traffic or other usage.

So, even though it displays UMTS, it's not. Most if not all T-Mobile's network is HSPA.
[G2 and Desire Z General] kylez64:
i get 4 megs/s here in vegas on my n1! cant wait to see what the g2 can do
[G2 and Desire Z General] DJ ELITE:
DOWNTOWN HONOLULU

ran the test at about 2am HST

(network congestion makes a dif)

1.22 Mb/s down (normally avg .50)

1.26 Mb/s up (normally avg 1)

i'd like to upgrade to the G2, but if i ain't currently hitting 7.2 speeds, what's the sense of getting something that's able to hit 14.4?
[G2 and Desire Z General] sinistersai4d4d:
Albany, NY...

Getting around 4.5mbs.... Seems blazing fast to me compared to what I'm used to.
[G2 and Desire Z General] zacholley:
I only had my g2 activated up until yesterday for the fact that it would get 3 bars in my driveway but in my house i would have to manaually lock it onto 3g with *#*#4636#*#* and then it would lose service for like ten minutes at a time not sure what tmobiles problem is with indoor coverage then being great outside the house...... anyways I got over 8mbit/s down on ooklah speedtest app and numerous 7.6megsish

i am in oklahoma
[G2 and Desire Z General] SuperFly03:
The big difference is that Sprint 4G devices are 4G devices only on Clear's network. So you have Clear's customers (home and USB stick) and Spint's customers with Evo's and Epic 4G's on the network. That's it.

On TMo you have all HSPA devices on the HSPA+ network which is a few dozen handsets so the amount of people accessing the network is much larger.

Also, 10Mbps on an Evo seems to be the exception not the norm. Since it is on Clear's network they can throttle users (which has been shown to be true). On average when I played with an Evo (admittedly not a huge statistical sample) and did a dozen or so speedtests I got from .5Mbps to 6mbps with an average of 3ish in Houston.

As for that Youtube video... there's something amiss there. My guess is the G1 interfered with the G2 because the G1 started first. I think that is an anomaly like the Evo's 10Mbps. People here have clearly been getting solid speeds 6-8Mbps.

NYC is known to be a ****ty location for cell phones and it isn't just TMo or ATT. Hell, ATT can't hold a call in NYC.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Arcadia310:
Nice! I don't get speeds anywhere near that. :(
[G2 and Desire Z General] heygrl:
:(

Clear throttles sustained downloads even more. It'll start out at what you might've seen via a speedtest but start to drop down to a 3rd or 4th of that. Clear sucks. 10Mbps on an unlaunched city/new underutilized network is nothing. Enjoy it while it lasts because it won't.

T-Mobile's 3G/HSPA/HSPA+ network is shared across ALL 3G devices. That's over 6 million of them now.
[G2 and Desire Z General] pdagal:
With a -97db signal I'm getting 8.6Mbps down and 1Mpbs up with the G2. My Vibrant gets 6.5Mpbs down in comparison. Neither is too shabby :). I'm in the DFW area and we've had HSPA+ for a few months.
[G2 and Desire Z General] kludgineer:
That is by no means typical, most of my tests run between 4-6Mbps, so still quirt reasonable, but I have ad a few outliers. 8+ a few times, and once I got .18Mbps (in fact that time was about a minute after the above test at the exact same spot). But it's been really fast more than it's been really slow, so seems worthwhile to me.
[G2 and Desire Z General] JMcMoto:
Downtown Oaksterdam

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=oakland+ca+blue+sky+coffee&sll=37.804372,-122.270803&sspn=0.31195,0.543137&g=oakland+ca&ie=UTF8&hq=blue+sky+coffee&hnear=Oakland,+Alameda,+California&ll=37.851001,-122.361603&spn=0.596399,1.086273&z=10&iwloc=A&layer=c&cbll=37.805963,-122.267998&panoid=JG4ZuzMQfMOj2Nqin_b2Jg&cbp=12,158.15,,0,11.92

5.7 Down

1.3 Up
[G2 and Desire Z General] Anderdroid:
Pittsburgh, PA.

10MB/s Down

700KB/s Up.

My Vibrant got 6MB/s Down, 600KB/s Up.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Arcadia310:
Wow that's incredible. The best I've gotten is 4mb down when I had full H connectivity. I really hope the signal gets stronger.
[G2 and Desire Z General] andybess22:
You got 10 down? I'm in Pittsburgh and getting my g2 tomorrow I can't wait
[G2 and Desire Z General] sinistersai4d4d:
Am I the only one really impressed with 4mb down?

I have a feeling this is like penis measuring with some of these numbers being posted.
[G2 and Desire Z General] k0shi:
Yeps here in hawaii its kinda junk. But if u under settings make sure your server is connected to honolulu hawaii for some reason the first few times it connected to LA for me. I get best speeds around kunia
[G2 and Desire Z General] tenbeau:
I cannot even get 3G downloads in places I could always get it before. The phone does not hold a signal.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Lockeskidney:
in a tmobile store right now on a webconnect rocket 2.0 stick Miami, FL. very disappointing. This area is supposed to be HSPA+
[G2 and Desire Z General] HamNCheese:
I'm getting the full 14 inches in both directions. Oh yeah....
[G2 and Desire Z General] HamNCheese:
I'm getting 7mbps up in Hollywood. It's here, you may have to wait for backhaul fiber upgrades to be completed to get the full HSPA+ experience.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Lockeskidney:
i went over and tried a vibrant

still only 3G
[G2 and Desire Z General] k0shi:
How do you post those pics?
[G2 and Desire Z General] k0shi:
Best I got so far was 3.59mbps down 1.17mbps up 151ms ping kapolei hawaii according to the status it was switching between UMTS and HSDPA does it actually say HSPA+ when its connected to that?!
[G2 and Desire Z General] smasraum:
I ran the speedtest about 20-30 times on the way home from work (60mph). The numbers ranged anywhere from 600k to 5.6mb.

Here's a capture from the ride home at my exit off of the freeway showing a peak of 4.8mb

I did see a speed that showed 4.4 avg and 4.4 peak yesterday on the way into work.
[G2 and Desire Z General] jtc442:
Where in dfw are you? I'm just north of ft worth, in Keller. I hit 8 a few times right down the road from me, but just curious as to where some towers might be?
[G2 and Desire Z General] Anderdroid:
Yeah in Pittsburgh I got 10MB down but its been flaky, ranging from 4mb to 10mb down...
[G2 and Desire Z General] RuncaProfundus:
Mine has been terrible at my house not even 1Mbps. Managed to pull down 2.5Mbps at the tmobile store but I don't expect hspa speeds in my area yet since I'm south of miami but I was getting 2 - 3Mbps with my G1 at my house before. I'm still on the G1 data plan. The rep mentioned it might make a difference to switch to the android data plan but I would have to pay 10 extra a month to keep my unlimited texting. Any G1 data plan users pulling down good speeds?
[G2 and Desire Z General] kevdawg:
I need to try another test. The best I got was ~3.5Mbps.
[G2 and Desire Z General] scrizz:
lol

on my vibrant i usually get 5-6Mb/s down
[G2 and Desire Z General] dale_cooper:
DING DING DING, 100% correct

You guys need to stop getting bent out of shape on numbers. Anything over 4 is quite fast, and that should hold you over till tmobile continues to beef up their network.

Guy, think it was Anderoid who said he got 6 on his vibrant, and 10 now on his g2. You said you're consistently getting 4-10 on your g2... so really no real difference except a couple spikes.

This goes back to my point I was trying to establish earlier. I don't think tmobile's network is established enough to really give consistnetly HIGH HIGH speeds of 10 or more. Go searh at&t's expansion of their 3g network via HSPA+ - you'll see their goal is to have consistent speeds of 7Mbit or so...
[G2 and Desire Z General] SuperFly03:
I went to play with one in a TMo store today. I got 2-5Mbps with an average of 3-3.5Mbps in Houston @ 630pm. It's good but not great.

Still 3-4x faster than my Droid Incredible.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Clackamas:
I work in the redmond, wa area & live in the downtown seattle area and have yet to see faster than 7Mbps and to consistently get better than 4Mbps.
[G2 and Desire Z General] arich:
2.9 for me in houston. My N1 was 2x as fast
[G2 and Desire Z General] Synchronize:
I get around 5.6 Mb/sec down and 1.2 Mb/sec up in La Jolla, CA.
[G2 and Desire Z General] SuperFly03:
Interesting.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Lockeskidney:
well that was from the HSPA laptop in the store. but on the app you have to view results and then email the results to yourself
[G2 and Desire Z General] Ghostcreamy:
Nashville definitely doesn't have the HSPA+ yet. I'm only getting 800 kbps down and 300 kbps up.

According to their website, Nashville should get it by the end of the year.
[G2 and Desire Z General] kludgineer:
I suuppose it is fair to post this one along with the one in my sig:

About 1 hour apart, but from pretty much the same spot. Both are outliers, most of my tests have fallen between 3 and 6Mbps.
[G2 and Desire Z General] delahaya:
HSPA+ speeds

While I'm not getting full HSPA+ plus speeds, my G2 is definitely faster than my G1 was on 3G. I get a very consistent 5 - 7 mbs download and 1.2 mbs upload. I am happy with it to tell the truth.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Akulamenuri:
I got 10mbps a few minutes ago but normally I hit between 4 and 6 mbps
[G2 and Desire Z General] Snuggl3s:
Hey has anyone gotten higher than 1.XX on the uploads speeds? Not that it matters to me but just curios. I've haven't seen anyone post anything higher. I know on my MyTouch Slide at my friends 2nd story appartment I was able to pull 4mb down 2mb up. Have seen 2 or higher yet on my G2 unless I'm on wifi.

fRom Snugs G2 ^.^
[G2 and Desire Z General] Arcadia310:
I usually get around 1.3Mb upload.
[G2 and Desire Z General] elracing21:
I have reached over 2.5mb up in nyc and the bronx.
[G2 and Desire Z General] kalipedia:
Well, another confirmation of the sucky HSPA+ coverage (see article link below). It's very deceptive when Tmo says, for instance, that NYC has HSPA+ when there's maybe a random tower here or there that offers it and all of the rest are standard. I have tested speeds all over Manhattan and have never gotten to 2mbps download speed. Very disappointing.

http://gadgetwise.blogs.nytimes.com...ork-if-you-can-get-it/?nl=technology&emc=cta5
[G2 and Desire Z General] merkwa:
best i got was a 5.2 mbps down and 1.4 mbps

i usually get a constant 3.5 mbps to 4.0mbps down

and most of the time 1.35 mbps up

in the Charlotte area
[G2 and Desire Z General] mgshute:
In the west burbs of chicago I am getting about 8 mb down and 1.4 mb up...
[G2 and Desire Z General] P3rpetual:
Im out in the east bay (sanfran) and got these speeds havent dropped below ten and have run the test dozens of times. good news for the bay I guess?

High: 16471 KBPS

Average: 13365 KBPS

tried posting links to the pics but im a new user so im not authorized yet.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Radioactive Death:
In Fairfax, VA

8.76 Mbps Down

1.31 Mbps Up
[G2 and Desire Z General] jjerdmann:
I live in Modesto, CA. I get on average 700 kbps down and 1500 kbps up. My upload is always faster than my download. Tested using the cnet test and the speedtest.net app
[G2 and Desire Z General] pcgeek86:
Whaaaaaaat? In the west suburbs of Chicago, I'm only getting 5Mbps MAX, and that's assuming I'm out in my car, with the G2 upside down, out the sunroof -- it always seems to get better reception if the bottom is up. Anyone know exactly where the antenna is in it?

Chicago isn't even supposed to have HSPA+ anyway.

See twitter.com/ #!/ TMobile/ statuses /27395970226
[G2 and Desire Z General] sheek360:
I've hit hspa plus speeds here in miami but maybe only ten percent of the time. I'm usually hitting two to three mb download at home but every now and then I'll spike as high as 5mb. That's usually about ten percent of the time. Its very inconsistent and random.
[G2 and Desire Z General] tehseano:
I'm near Detroit, MI, and when I'm at class in Troy (20 mi NE of Detroit) I get between 5mb and 7mb down, and 1.5mb up. I think the highest test I had was 7.6mb d/l
[G2 and Desire Z General] Snuggl3s:
I don't wanna call you a lier but the g2 should max at 14.4. Are you sure you aren't on wifi?

fRom Snugs G2 ^.^
[G2 and Desire Z General] cdw9800:
im in oakland ca and all i see is 1.3mb and 1.5mb up and down
[G2 and Desire Z General] havikx:
i just bought g2 this afternoon in Central jersey on the coastline. i ran speedtestmobile and clocked 16xxxkps. my g1 used to clock 16xx.

its fast. no joke.
[G2 and Desire Z General] HamNCheese:
It's not wifi, it's that the "speed test" apps aren't really that accurate to begin with. Anything above 14.4mbps is physically impossible. Throw in the ~10% overhead and latency, and you are looking at about 12mbps max in the real world.

To get a 16000kbps result you would have to have an average throughput of that value. The radio idles on UMTS, then kicks into HSPA mode when data traffic begins to move through it. So you're starting out at like 2mbps, then switching to 14.4mbps. You would have to peak at around 20000kbps to arrive at a 16000kbps average.

Speedtest.net (and all the others) are crap - there's no real way to accurately measure bandwidth (case in point, the number of server "choices" and their meaningless "distance" from your location.)
[G2 and Desire Z General] elracing21:
This is the fastest download speed I have achieved in NY. Not even in the city do I ge speeds like this but up here in the bronx I keep hitting the 5mb mark everynow and then. In comparison my up speeds are garbage when I'm at 5mb down but when it goes back to 3-4mb my ups are regularly at 2-3mb.

Posted on my T-mobile G(spot)2 xD
[G2 and Desire Z General] mejorguille:
2.06 MB/s
[G2 and Desire Z General] kalipedia:
i still never get above 2mbps down in manhattan (70s near central park). i've put another call in and am told the towers are up and working now, so a service ticket has been issued. i don't think it's just my phone, but really, nyc - or perhaps more specifically manhattan - must get better than this.
[G2 and Desire Z General] johnbibbs:
I'm in Orlando, FL and am averaging between 8 & 10 megs...

Occasionally I'll get a 2 or 3 meg test but overall I seem to be getting the higher speeds.

Sent from my T-Mobile G2
[G2 and Desire Z General] elracing21:
Yeah man I work by the brooklyn bridge and I never get more then 1.5m down around that area. It sucks so bad. I havent bothered dealing with tmo since I get H+ speeds in the bx which makes no sense since the tower is supposedly in manhattan.
[G2 and Desire Z General] HamNCheese:
Yeah it's still impossible. Either the tower is moving significantly more than 14.4mbps (it's not) or the test is full of ****.

My money is on #2.
[G2 and Desire Z General] HamNCheese:
heh.... "The tower." There are hundreds of towers in NYC. You are probably connected to one that is either a) overloaded (not likely), or b) has not received its backhaul upgrade yet (much more likely).

This is the funniest thing about mobile providers: They can promise you 14.4mbps to the tower, then multiplex 2 T1s (1.54mbps each) for the backhaul. Thus, all the 3mbps speed tests.

T-Mobile has "completed" a buttload of HSPA+ deployments, but without the backhaul, it doesn't mean squat.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Snuggl3s:
G1 can't pull more than 7.2 I'm sorry but until I see a sc I can't believe these speeds =/

fRom Snugs G2 ^.^
[G2 and Desire Z General] HamNCheese:
FYI 16xx refers to 1600kbps, well within the capability of the 7.2mbps (aka 7200kbps) HSDPA speeds.

But I call bull**** on the 16mbps. It's just not possible, no matter how much you want to believe it.
[G2 and Desire Z General] HamNCheese:
BTW, those results are real easy to fake. The value is in the URL.

See look... Here's me getting 500,000kbps on my Nexus One
[G2 and Desire Z General] elracing21:
Yeah your right kind of forgot about all the towers. Thanks.

Question: what exactly is the backhaul supposed to do?

Posted on my T-mobile G(spot)2 xD
[G2 and Desire Z General] Snuggl3s:
Ah my bad I thought he put the same for both phones. Still wanna see 16mb down though.

fRom Snugs G2 ^.^
[G2 and Desire Z General] SuperFly03:
Should be able to post the speed test results... Also, those speeds are not achievable through HSPA+... wifi maybe.

My best to date:
[G2 and Desire Z General] HamNCheese:
This is a bit of an oversimplification, but...the backhaul refers to the connection between the tower and the internet. Originally, with HSPA, a couple of T1's were sufficient for users to see "decent" 3G performance (3mbps of theoretical 7.2mbps).

In reality, this is likely to be a larger, regional circuit. So each tower would have a connection to that, which in turn connects to the internet. This is why your IP geo-location may put you somewhere hundreds of miles from your actual location.

Now, with HSPA+, T-Mobile has been rumored to be upgrading *most* towers to 20mbps backhaul connections in anticipation of next year's 21mbps HSPA+ roll-out. What this means to us is speeds above 3-5mbps, usually in the 5-10mbps range. Actual speeds higher than this are dubious - one individual cannot use 100% of that theoretical bandwidth.

So... even though you may have an HSPA+ signal on an HSPA+ device, it doesn't mean that there's 14.4mbps of internet bandwidth behind it.
[G2 and Desire Z General] larryccf:
for what it's worth, as my house is in a "moderate" coverage area, and i can only get 1.1-1.4 Mbps D/L speeds at home, i checked the Tmo coverage map and identified a few locations that should be strong HSPA+ , and while running around town today stopped in those areas to do a quick speedtest.net test

i got 6.6 Mbps at one, 3.4 and 4.1 at the other two

i'm trying to decide if one of the wireless boosters will be worth it, was the reason for the testing
[G2 and Desire Z General] davidbessler:
I am in the riverdale section of the bronx. I am supposed to have full coverage but, also, have not hit 2 mbps since getting the phone.
[G2 and Desire Z General] heygrl:
They've rarely if ever had a "couple" of T1's. It's usually just ONE, with some areas within a city getting special increases (actually getting another T1).

Seriously, in my city I've seen .8Mpbs-2Mbps over the HSPA+ network (yes I know what it used to be like and what the speed is like now, these are most definite HSPA+ towers). It's called data bandwidth hogs doing god knows what and taking up available bandwidth. They've just been cut down at the knees though with a reduction in the generous 10GB cap. The other reason would just be network congestion. Last I checked Manhattan isn't exactly spread out or low in pops per square mile.