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[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] sylau90:
yeah...good questions.why???I have created this kind of posts before. however, the responses are at low level.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Jammie_1989:
See my post above
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] sylau90:
1)what if dcordes and cotulla didn't reply to this thread?

2)if we donate directly to developers without any thrid parties,it'll eliminate every single suspect, such as who took the money?????

Maybe I'm wrong...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] HD2Owner:
dcordes will show up for sure.... :D

since i would actually see the amount in real-time on my account instead of having to wait for people to reply in this thread after donating and to rely on "the amount of money donated" of another person (donation link owner).

do you guys really think i would perform a stunt (and destroy my reputation here).....??? for 1500 dollars????
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Jammie_1989:
If there was no proof of a conversation between the OP and dcordes I wouldn't be contibuting so I agree with you but people need to realise that there are more than one or two people working on this. It isn't fair that some developers recieve a high percentage of donations over others which as putting in the same amount of time. If we can provide proof that all developers involved will get contribution then I don't see a problem and see this as a great idea.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] HD2Owner:
we can perform a second donation round (no record time donation) for people who are angry (working on the subject).

every one of the co-workers will be happy... if not... he will be after round 2...:D

EVERY SINGLE DOLLAR COUNTS.

and i'm pretty sure some folks out there who are willing to donate don't see this now and want to donate later (after goal is reached).
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Jammie_1989:
Hopefully we can acheive the $1500 quickly I will be donating when the link goes up even tho you are well respected I think when dcordes posts to agree he has spoke to you about this then the donations will hopefully come flooding in :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] egzthunder1:
I am sorry, but until we further review this "project", I cannot allow "Donations" threads like these. Dcordes, Cotulla, and the rest all have "Donation" links in their signatures. The Da_G fund was different as the OP of that thread had linked directly to Da_G's Paypal. In this one, you are linking to some "other" Paypal account, which you claim will use to collect and distribute the funds.

I don't want to seem totalitarian or anything like that, but I am trying to protect people from possible scams. While I am sure that you are not a scammer, your "reputation" only goes back to October 2009, which means that you've been around for a little shy of a year. We will discuss this further with other Senior mods and admins and will reach a verdict soon.

Thanks for your patience.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] egzthunder1:
@OP,

I will reopen the thread as per your request. My only condition is for the HD2 Android dev team members (beneficiaries in this case) to make a post in here acknowledging the veracity of this money drive.

As I said above, sorry for not trusting this up front, but I need to ensure that good will donations from our members are going to the right place.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] HD2Owner:
safety first.. hehe...

btw: i'm also known as x1owner here since march 2009.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] inny2:
There was another thing called "chipin" for such kind of donations/fund-raiser.

Might worth a shot to check it out.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] delete123:
My suggestion:

Post donate links to all the developers/people who contribute to the whole project.

Then people can see who they donate to and choose from that.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dcordes:
Hi,

Yes we were talking about it via private message.

I applaud hd2owner's approach and

he has my full support

for this.

I should add - some of you who were following the entire development process might have seen it - that I criticized this user before.

Back then it was about setting up a bounty thread for functional Linux (Android) on the HD2. I disliked it for several reasons, one being that I don't like being rewarded for work that has not been performed yet.

For me personally I think many have seen that I have been sticking with this from day one and I will not have a bad feeling about receiving something back for this.

So that way around, doing it as a reward instead of bounty fund it's all good and I am looking forward for this to work.

Also regarding the fact that I'm a student and do not have time to earn much money at the moment I will not have a bad conscience in participating.

A short word to those who have a hard time putting trust in this: If everybody will post the transaction ID and amount donated here on the thread we will have full transparency.

This must be clarified more in the first post.

My personal suggestion is to approach the following other XDA members who have substantially participated in the working Linux on Hd2 and ask them about joining.

We should share the reached cash money among us equally. Of course they have to agree.

NetRipper, Markinus, LeTama, Cotulla.

Best regards and thanks again to HD2Owner for getting this started and thanks to everybody willing to support.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] HD2Owner:
thanks for your official statement.

can you please send those members a p.m. about this thread?

a official statement of all those people would be great.

i will guarantee full transparency.

every single donation will be in the list (1st post) until the goal is reached.

every donation that's flowing in after the goal is reached will be added to the second round (without the record-time-attempt).
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] zarathustrax:
If we get all the devs involved in this I think it will work well... only 3 devs have their donation links posted, and when people donate they generally will just donate to one person (and many times it will be a chef instead of one of the actual devs, who I believe should be donated to first.) , this way people can make one donation and it will be divided to all the devs who deserve donations.

I hope it all works out and we get all the devs participation.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dcordes:
That's true. People seem to usually click the donate button that is seated next to the 'download now' links.

HD2 it would be nice if you could approach the devs as I have time problem (development, exams and other real life hassle)

Be aware that who I mentioned is just a personal suggestion... All of those are involved with the relevant low level work which is the substantial part about porting.

edit: I will not further comment on participants. It is not my decision. Though I would like to emphasize the importance of above quote from zarathustrax.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Beretta93:
Why is gauner1986 out of it?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] tilleke:
Yep, I agree. I believe gauner1986 is contributing too.

What about dan1j3l ? I believe he has contributed as well.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] NetRipper:
Just letting you guys know that I support this thread as well. I quoted the above part of dcordes, as I feel the same way. I appreciate donations, but only for work that has already made you guys happy. Donations for things yet to develop only makes it more like a job than a hobby. :)

I hope the other devs feel the same way.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Beretta93:
Man I'd like to know which job you may think of that pays before having you get the job done. :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] zarathustrax:
I don't think those 2 have done as much of the low level kernel development as the people dcordes listed... I'm not positive but I think they did more "chef" type work. The devs know better than me, though... I think dcordes' suggestions for participants are the ones who should be included in this... he knows who did what work and how important the work they did was. Anyone other than that list shouldn't get an equal part if they are included. But, again, I'm not completely sure what work they actually did, so someone who knows more should make a decision.

Remember, this donation is not for chefs... they are important and appreciated, but they are the ones who actually seem to get the majority of donations and glory by most end-users who don't know how much work and time has been put into the kernel work to make all this possible. Chefs are always releasing new updates and always have their names on the frontline, so they will continue getting donations, while most updates to kernels and low-level work is not known to the average person. So in the long run, I'm sure chefs will get many more donations then the devs whose work they are using to cook with. And while most chefs give credit to most of the devs, the donation link in the threads of the different builds are only the chefs, and that is usually the only link most average users will ever see. Personally, I think chefs should give a small percentage of their donations the the devs... atleast while the devs are actively developing Linux on the hd2... but that's just my opinion.

Anyways, this donation thread should only be for the devs that have done a substantial amount of the low level work...not just anyone who has contributed, but the ones who have contributed a significant amount. Or maybe another possible way if you want to include everyone who has contributed, is to make 2 or 3 tiers or levels of devs, with dcordes & the other 4 devs he listed on 1st tier, and other devs on 2nd or 3rd tier depending on how much they contributed and difficulty of their contribution. Then basic have tier 1 devs get double what tier 2 devs get, and tier 2 get double what tier 3 devs get... or something similar to that. Personally I would just stick with the list dcordes suggested and leave it at that, atleast for the 1st donation goal. Then after goal is reached, setup the tier idea or something like that for the donations after that.

It would also be very good of the chefs if they were kind enough to link this thread in the 1st post of their threads, next to their donation links... at least until 1st goal is reached.

Sorry for the super long post.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] letama:
I fully agree with what NetRipper said. I had a lot of fun and learned a lot during the development of the kernel, and it has always been my main motivation.

I will for sure appreciate donations even though my contribution can't be compared to what Cotulla did. It should be clear that we wouldn't have what we have now without him.

I wanted also to apologize for not being more active on the forum but kernel hacking is an awful time sink and days are always too short.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] HD2Owner:
already on page 7???

please help me to keep this thread alive..

these guys really deserve it!!!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] zarathustrax:
I was wondering what was going on with this. We need to get some chefs to agree to link this thread in their various build posts, cause that's where most people who donate are gonna probably be looking to donate in.

When do you plan on getting this started? Did you decide who will be included in this? I agree with dcordes suggestions.

I'll help spread the word by posting in various threads with links back to this thread. I'll try posting in other websites and forums too. I'd like to help however I can, because I'm not gonna be able to afford to donate for a couple months until my financial situation improves. I don't even have phone service activated for my hd2 right now because I can't afford it. But I'd like to do my part to help our great developers.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Wildcopper:
No offense, put personally, I prefer giving directly to the concerned people.

It's not personal, I would react the same way for anyone else... I don't know you (the OP), actually. I don't trust random people on the net with my money, I give money to reward the work of specific people when I'm 100% sure the money gets directly to them. We will have no idea of how much you got, there's no way to control if you don't keep half of it for yourself. I don't say that you will do it, but it's a bit like trusting a random person in the street giving him money to buy you something...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] HD2Owner:
100% transparency. don't worry about this.

I DONT EARN ANY MONEY WITH THIS DONATION!!

I ONLY COLLECT THE DONATIONS FOR THIS GUYS.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Apache0c:
You should read threads before you post in them. First, it has already been stated by the dev's involved that they approve of this thread. Second, in the very first post of this thread it specifically states that everyone who donates should post the PayPal transaction ID# and the donation amount so that we will all see the total amount donated and given to the Dev's. This is just an easy way for us to give to all of them at once.

I also started a Money Bomb for the Kernel Dev's on my blog a few months back. I just put the donation links for the Dev's PayPal so I'm not sure how much if any money I raised but I was working to spread the word. I want the Kernel Dev's to get more money for their work and thats why I support this thread as well.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] v-b-n:
@HD2Owner : Good thought ... Count me in :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] HD2Owner:
please help me to keep this thread alive. thanks
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ergibson83:
I'm in also. I've contributed to a Dev already and I'll be contributing this time also! :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] JonSolo:
Ok, I'm in when it's time.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] fakepooh:
like the idea!!

Appreciated that some1 is organizing this. In the past, knowing that so many devs are contributing to thework, its kind of a confusing how to "appreciate" that fairly. So i ll be more than happy to support this drive.

Thanks again for bringing android to my beloved hd2.

Not really that active in forum, but i never missed reading xdadevs evey single day for exciting news:)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] HD2Owner:
thanks for posting your opinions/replies (keeping this thread alive).

go on... :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] HD2Owner:
quotes of devs added to second post for more transparency and better visibility.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] bisoner:
Such a special piece of work will lead to a donation from myself. Though I am sure the guys working on this project will either get better jobs as a result of the project or for the students involved, lead to a rather impressive looking CV.

Just so we are all crystal clear, are the guys on the project all in agreement that any money collected will be split equally between them? Or has some other metric been agreed?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] trangoul:
This is a very very great project. I will do my best to support you all. I will share this thread on my following tech-forums. count me in too
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Major_Sarcasm:
I have already donated directly to three of the devs involved with porting Linux to the HD2 (dcordes, cotulla & netripper IIRC), but I will donate again so that some cash will go to the other devs too (they didn't have any means of paying them before).
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] DaDoctor:
Sign me up!!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] souljaboy:
u should push it back a month more
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] HD2Owner:
@ mods:

sticky until donation round one completed?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] HD2Owner:
bump... already on page 16....???

i can't believe how crowded this sub-forum is....

and not many care about the folks that made all this even possible...

a simple "i'm in too" would be enough to keep this thread alive...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mskip:
While I have absolutely no objections to this thread Im not going to push it down peoples throats and keep it at the top of the forum as that would be paramount to telling people to pay for something which is in effect a free product.

Alot of people have already donated all the way through this project (me being one) and give what they feel is fair or affordable and while its always appreciated when developers get a donation for work done its by no means compulsory and should never be asked for and certainly not chased after.

Personally I feel it would be much more efficient if the Darkforces Team and relevent Android devs had their own paypal link (which would be very easy for them to do) which could then be put on the threads of all Roms and Builds in the HD2 Android Development Forum (if so wished by the chef) and give people a clear indication of who they are donating to. Of course that would be upto them to action but it would need to be created by a current member of the team. I have absolutely nothing against you I just think there is no need for a third party to be involved and an 'Android Project Devs' PayPal Link would get ALOT more donations to them. Also of course they know who is working on the project so they can divy it up better than anyone else could.

Mark.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] zarathustrax:
I didn't think dcordes, netripper, markinus & letama were a part of the darkforces team... that's just cotulla and his testers... am I wrong? I think it's a good idea to have a place to donate that will split the money between the devs.... the only thing created by DFT is magldr, which isn't released yet... (and also hspl was by DFT.)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] sgspikes:
Already gave to dcordes only before the first release and this experience has proved to be quite a nice success story ! I'm still hoping to see this ppp working correctly one day ...

I'm in for the donation, to thank the different people working on this in the background as we mainly hear about the cooks now

Cheers,

spikes
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] HD2Owner:
thanks for your statement.

my opinion:

it is essential to have some kind of "goal" to reach so everyone knows they got at least a "partially what they deserve for the work they did".

since this is my personal idea to support those guys y'all don't have to care who you danate to because it will get to the right people (i had conversations with dcordes and some of the devs about sharing).

i'm counting on you all. every single dollar counts to reach the goal as fast as possible.

to get into the "big hall of hd2-android-donations-fame" you simply have to donate at the right time (between donation round 1 start and 1500 dollars reached).

this can be a small timeframe of some hours (14h in the wp7 donation thread) or maybe it takes some days to complete round 1.

the second round will be open till 1500.- dollars are reached again (could take some time) and you can get yourself a entry in the "small hall of hd2-android-donations-fame".
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Apache0c:
Mark,

Your input is always appreciated. However, in this situation I have to respectfully disagree. I think that it would be an ideal situation if your scenario came true but this is not a perfect world and in this situation a third party is needed to put forth the effort to organize this donation.

We all have our own intrinsic talents, some of us excel at art and others at math. That is why some of the members of this community are more adept at developing than most of us, that is one of their talents. Fund-raising and organizing is a completely separate talent that I wouldnt expect most developers to possess and so organizing this donation project is a way that someone with a different talent can use their skills to contribute to the community.

Helping the Dev's out is good for all of us, we all like to see them get donations, especially when they are spending countless hours developing operating system components that have an impact on all of our daily lives.

So I support this thread and this donation project and I will donate.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] krat0s123:
+1 with our senior moderator on this issue.. the fact that we're putting an amount on all the devs work ($1500 goal for first round of partial donation), we're making it sound like we're actually paying for them to do the job (like what our senior moderator has said).. therefore some people would start demanding a perfect android build or a release date for the nand, since they know how much has been accumulated or paid for the devs.. it would really be a bad idea for sure as for that reason alone, some devs might even leave the project because of this kind of pressure.. as we would never know how the trollers/donators will use this donation thread as a tool to pressure the devs.. of course in a perfect world, i agree with the OP on this thread.. but this isn't a perfect worl, people would complain if they don't see results.. as they would think that they've been cheated because they know how much the devs have collected/paid.. i mean even now as it is, people are already complaining and trollers bugging the devs on the IRC channel, what more if we give those trollers/people reasons like this to bug the devs?? i think it's better if we just leave it as it is.. donate to the devs paypal account anonymously, or like what our senior moderator has said, tell our devs to create a centralized paypal account so we could all donate anonymously for their hard work.. sorry OP, as i'm with our senior moderator on this one..

EDIT:

i just read some comments on an android builds thread.. and i can see how some people are already complaining about the build "not working for them" because of their own ignorance.. i mean this guy is yelling at the dev (CAPS) because he lost his working android build after overwriting it with the newer build he downloaded.. of course the cook could just ignore the ignorant guys rant, but having a donation page like this where those ignorant people could use info's like, how much donation has been accumulated and how it was parted with the devs?? i'm really afraid that some devs might abandon the project because of some ignorant people being on their back and *****ing about how much money has been donated and yet, there's still no NAND release date or a perfect android build.. no offense to the OP and those who supports this idea, but i really hope that this donation page doesn't go through.. i'm really afraid how this would shift the progress of the developing of a fully working nand and android build.. i'm not stopping people from donating, as i myself have been donating to our devs for their hard work..
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] HD2Owner:
donation round one - 4 hours left.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] HD2Owner:
donation round one started now.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] berbecverde:
berbecverde - 10$ (Transaction ID:48910551MX2664327 )

is this ok?:)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] HD2Owner:
sure. thanks.

edit:

i'm away for some hours. i will collect the donations later.