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[G2 and Desire Z General] petard:
I just contacted Negri Electronics. My order will be shipping tonight.

$563 Desire Z. I think it is a pretty good deal comparatively. It goes for more than that on eBay if you can find one!

AT&T Nexus Ones in good condition are going for around $550 on eBay. Minus fees makes it $500. That means I would only have lost $70 over the course of 8 months! Only $60 upgrade to the Desire Z.
[G2 and Desire Z General] foxfire235:
How did you get it fro $563 when they list it for $630?
[G2 and Desire Z General] CarlGalgano:
seattleboi and gtrab, thanks for the backup suggestions. i may give it a try next weekend.
[G2 and Desire Z General] gtrab:
BEWARE

flashing is addictive :D :D
[G2 and Desire Z General] kcchen:
Thanks, I read about Touchdown, but wasn't sure if it was obsolete with the newer Android versions. Glad to hear push mail is supported in both clients.

It sounds like the DZ NAM works fine on the AT&T 3G (Data and Voice) network. I'm on the road a lot and rely heavily on my phone for e-mail.

Regards,

Ken
[G2 and Desire Z General] hondasr:
So this is 3G not HSPA+ ? I mean you have a "3G or "H" simbol?
[G2 and Desire Z General] CarlGalgano:
Ken, coming from a BB, mail is very important to me. I live and die by email all day long. If there were alerts in the HTC version, I would use it, I like the interface, but touchdown gets updated fairly often and is well worth the 20 bucks. Also performance on ATT has been good. Ive been in the office since I got the DZ but will be out starting Friday, local client in ATL, then NY and PHL. I should have a better feel then. Im not the road warrier I once was (23 years of M-F), but having a reliable mobile device is very important to me for business.
[G2 and Desire Z General] CarlGalgano:
My batter did terrible today..... I was in the office all day, and my usage was not much difference than yesterday. I did leave for about 2 hours and made several calls, totaling about 45 min over the bluetooth in my car radio. I got home and had less than 10% battery, sitting on 6% now. (trying to totally kill it). Last night I was at about 60% at this time. I did notice that under battery usage Android OS was over 50% of my usage and I did notice my phone was a bit laggy today and i had a lot of "force close" message, so I wonder if I had an app go awry. I rebooted and will continue to monitor the next several days. I did order 2 1800mAh batteries and a charger from Amazon today.
[G2 and Desire Z General] cliffkaiyan:
chinese handwriting input???

:confused:i've got my DZ last sat. from bell and unlock on the same day, so far working very good, but i've got a question: how can i get chinese handwriting working (not keyboard)

Please help:confused::confused:

I know Desire(not Z) with android 2.2 have that feature.
[G2 and Desire Z General] petard:
It was $599.95 when I ordered it, and I used a $35 off coupon.

It got delayed. Will ship tomorrow morning. I don't think it will be here before the weekend :(
[G2 and Desire Z General] Red John:
With no battery management app, my Z is doing a lot better battery wise than my SGS, on which I was doing everything in my power to make the thing last a whole day.
[G2 and Desire Z General] CarlGalgano:
petard... my DZ shipped from Negri last Thurs. Standard shipping is Fedex ground and ships from their warehouse in Costa Mesa CA (I think it near San Diego). Go to Fedex's website and you should be able to calculate the transit time.

When I placed my order, it didnt give me an option for shipping and I thought I was stuck with Ground (transit time from SD to Atlanta is about 5-6 days). I emailed Negri and they changed my shipping to standard overnight for $26 and I had my DZ on Friday.

For me, it was worth it, YMMV.
[G2 and Desire Z General] bostonirishguy13:
ALWAYS pay the little extra for faster shipping. It's well worth it.
[G2 and Desire Z General] zuachs:
Petard, have they shipped your phone?

I've contacted them and they told me it's going to be today but I haven't received the tracking number and my order says not yet shipped...

Edit: Shipped!!! :D
[G2 and Desire Z General] ExTREmE99:
i got my shipping confirmation and at work i checked it out and its shipped fedex ground, which would be cool if i chose the Free shipping option. I chose the FedEx express 2-day option and paid 15.00 to get it in 2-days.

I just shot them an email, hopefully they give me a refund or something.

Edit: they said they'll issue a refund on the shipping, i really hope it arrives by friday.
[G2 and Desire Z General] gtrab:
All languages except french, english and spanish have been removed from the Bell firmware

The EURO/ASIA firmware has ALL the languages, chinese included

You can try debranding/flashingthe EURO firmware to obtain your chinese capabilities
[G2 and Desire Z General] CarlGalgano:
looks like we are going to have a whole new crop of DZ users tomorrow, congrats guys (and girls if there are any reading).

Just another quick update on my battery life. Same basic use as the last 3 days, in the office, so just some light calling and not a ton else. Tues I had less than 15% battery when I got home, yesterday I had 30%. Both nights I totally killed the battery messing with my DZ in the evening. (Side note, got PPTP VPN working to my office, which I could never get working on my milestone). Today I get home and I have almost 75% battery left, and played around with it a bit when i got home and still have 66%. My usage has been pretty consistant, but my battery has been all over the place. the only thing i did different today was a quick reboot this morning when I took it off the charger. I have suspected that perhaps some background process has been killing my battery during the day. I know some will say batteries need to get "broken in", but that is not suppose to be the case for LiOn batteries.

I head to NY and PHL the next 5 days, so my usage will be much greater, especially M-W next week.
[G2 and Desire Z General] lolo4ever:
first of all, congrats to all the new d z users. i want to buy one, but i'm stuck between three options: negri, sn traders and omegacell. which would you recommend. in case it's important, i need the phone to arrive to my place in atlanta on the first week of december,

thanks!
[G2 and Desire Z General] CarlGalgano:
i have personally purchased phones from sn traders and negri and both were good, reliable vendors. if you read thru this thread, many have purchased from negri. it all comes down to whoever has stock. I would call or email the various vendor and ask. negri has a live chat option on their website and all the reps i have talk to have been very helpful.
[G2 and Desire Z General] ExTREmE99:
Mine from negri arrived today!

This keyboard is going to get some getting used to, its pretty wide.
[G2 and Desire Z General] elrooster:
The price is for the Canadian's customers, but for us in the States we are gonna get re-seller prices :mad:

(I've to make some friends in Canada :D )
[G2 and Desire Z General] meboy:
Someone has also stated that Bell's no contract price requires at least one month of service and a setup fee. That would bump up the price about $60 from the $499.

I haven't confirmed this. I think I'll send an email.
[G2 and Desire Z General] LickTheEnvelope:
Yes that's correct.

Bell also announced official launch day as November 3rd.
[G2 and Desire Z General] sl8125:
I know someone in Canada. I am so in for this. I am not sure if I want to sell my n1 though. Mang tough decision. What to do? I do want to wait and see how the devs work for this phone. My n1 is running so tight. No probs what so eva. Running Max capacity. Arghhh....
[G2 and Desire Z General] Raspster:
Has anyone been able to find any good re-seller sites that have this bad boy on it yet for pre-order? Or any re-sellers you think will have it at or shortly after NOV 3rd..?
[G2 and Desire Z General] Funk2641:
http://negrielectronics.com/htc-desire-z-850-1900-3g-unlocked.html

I've bought with them in the past, they seem reputable
[G2 and Desire Z General] Raspster:
Saw this too. Many of the specs are off and I don't see any confirmation on the 850/1900 anywhere in the specs..? This was from their site. Theses specs are WAY off.

Specification Processor Qualcomm® MSM7200A™, 528 MHz Operating System Android Memory ROM: 512 MB RAM: 288 MB Dimensions 113 x 55.56 x 13.65 mm ( 4.45 x 2.19 x 0.54 inches) Weight 116 grams ( 4.09 ounces) with battery Display 3.2-inch TFT-LCD flat touch-sensitive screen with 320x480 HVGA resolution Network1 HSDPA/WCDMA: 850/900/2100 MHz Up to 2 Mbps up-link and 7.2 Mbps down-link speeds Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz (Band frequency and data speed are operator dependent.)
[G2 and Desire Z General] Funk2641:
perhaps, but specs do change. many online retailers put the wrong specs before a product is released. /shrug
[G2 and Desire Z General] ew4936:
So after that one month we should be able to use it on any Canadian carrier?
[G2 and Desire Z General] sl8125:
Hsdpa/wcdma 850/1900/2100

Read again its there. Plus they carry two different version. G2 and Nam version
[G2 and Desire Z General] meboy:
No, you can use it on any carrier that has the same frequency bands though.

Bell, Telus, Rogers, AT&T.

You'll need to get it unlocked before using on a carrier other than Bell.

You don't need to wait one month.
[G2 and Desire Z General] killster:
any chance the tmobile g2 will be able to surf anything other then edge on at&t like an unlocked vibrant does?

i know the frequencies are diff, but is this something modifyiable once rooted, and flashed to a custome rom?

IE, do i hold onto this device with hope? or do i need the other version?
[G2 and Desire Z General] meboy:
Frequency bands are manufacturer set and not software set.

T-mobile won't work for 3G on AT&T. Just voice.
[G2 and Desire Z General] gtrab:
this is good news (less than 2 weeks)

can you please link the source ??
[G2 and Desire Z General] harolds:
http://phandroid.com/2010/10/19/bell-launching-htc-desire-z-november-3rd/
[G2 and Desire Z General] Anomaly:
Is the off contract price $499 USD or Canadian?
[G2 and Desire Z General] gtrab:
I guess is CAD$499, but beware thats the price for BELL users !!

We should expect a reseller / unlocked / no-bell price of around US$575-$599,

which I think is OK for this great phone

considering the EUROPE reference price of 529-579 EUR (expansys, amazon UK, etc)

EDIT:

Lowest european price is 475 EUR = US$660,

so anything under US$599 should be a good deal
[G2 and Desire Z General] burtcom:
Expansys USA has a price of $699.99 for the Desire Z

Interestingly, they've removed the "preorder" status for the Desire HD -- they now say "usually ships in 9 days"

But I'm gonna wait for the Z :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] gtrab:
Just checked expansys USA and they are selling the EUROPEAN bands version, not the NAM bands one

Smart Mobile Gadgets (smggsm.com) also has the european D-Z for US$799 "Due in Stock: Oct 29"
[G2 and Desire Z General] ew4936:
any chance bell would give you the unlocking code for a price?
[G2 and Desire Z General] burtcom:
Just as long as it has quad-band edge, I'll be happy :)

/Cellular-one in Montana is edge
[G2 and Desire Z General] LickTheEnvelope:
They will for $75 and as long as it's been on an active account for 30 days.

They wont unlock wireless sticks, hubs or Iphones.

Might be cheaper to get unlock code through 3rd party.
[G2 and Desire Z General] sdlopez83:
Lets go DZ NAM for ATT!!! Def not happening...

Anyone know if DZ supports 4g? LTE?
[G2 and Desire Z General] LickTheEnvelope:
No the DZ does not support 4g or LTE but has a max DL speed of 14.4 MB/s.
[G2 and Desire Z General] sdlopez83:
Yup, the max DL speed of 14.4 MB/s was what sparked my inquiry. Thanks!
[G2 and Desire Z General] ok11:
Would I not be able to buy the phone from Bell at the no contract price, without being signed up to their service? Is this their rule?
[G2 and Desire Z General] LickTheEnvelope:
They wont sell a phone unless it's activated on Bell first.

You don't need a contract but you have to activate the line on Bell, then cancel which is 30 days notice.

What I am doing is activating it on my friends line then switching it off right away.
[G2 and Desire Z General] ok11:
My friend is on Bell, but he is leaving them on Nov 17th(Bell has been given a 30 day notice). Would he be able to order the phone for me without any issues?
[G2 and Desire Z General] LickTheEnvelope:
Ya just walk into a bell store with him, pay for the device and have them activate it on his line.

Then call in to bell tech and get them to change the IMEI or ESN back to the old phone and take the sim card off your friend's number.

There's a $20 charge to activate the new IMEI (a charge that will show on your friends bill) so you might want to give him some cash for that.

Once done you'll have a locked Desire Z that's not active. Can be re-activated on an major Canadian provider on HSPA once unlocked.
[G2 and Desire Z General] JPHCCFC:
If purchased from future shop, the source or best buy no contact will they insist on a bell plan and activation?
[G2 and Desire Z General] ok11:
thats a good question
[G2 and Desire Z General] LickTheEnvelope:
They are "supposed too" as Future Shop gets extra money if it's activated but I have heard of some stores not activating. By Policy they are supposed to activate.
[G2 and Desire Z General] rvictorg:
"By policy" ?? that's lame. I'm sure you could get around it if you put up a big enough stint. Tell them it's a Christmas gift or some BS and that you don't want to pay for 2 months of service before using it, I dunno. You're buying outright, I don't see how they could MAKE you activate it on Bell.

Needless to say I want this phone on Rogers haha! Looks like an awesome device, hopefully they won't have supply problems keeping up with the demand for it. Peace.
[G2 and Desire Z General] LickTheEnvelope:
I want this phone too. :D Buying full price, hoping it's not sold out on Nov 3rd as I can't get to a dealer until the next day.
[G2 and Desire Z General] sdlopez83:
Any NAM news for US besides TMO???
[G2 and Desire Z General] gtrab:
don't worry, HTC said "later this year" (december)

but my bet is 2, 3 or 4 weeks max (mid-late november)

850/1900MHz D-Zs will pop up soon, maybe not from AT&T directly,

but from Canada (Bell is confirmed) or Australia or Hong Kong sellers
[G2 and Desire Z General] sdlopez83:
Ugh ATT sucks for tech minded individuals ef there marketing for the masses ploy.
[G2 and Desire Z General] gtrab:
GOOD NEWS

My provider says NAM version D-Z will be available in stock NEXT week !!

Really hope so...
[G2 and Desire Z General] LickTheEnvelope:
US or Canadian provider?
[G2 and Desire Z General] gtrab:
canadian, and confirmed unbranded NAM 3G (850/1900MHz)

at first they said "mid november", but today they said "next week"

I'm happy :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] LickTheEnvelope:
Is this a major provider or just a specific dealer? :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] sl8125:
I don't know but saw a pre-order @ negri electronics. Don't know how legitimate view are though.
[G2 and Desire Z General] JPHCCFC:
are they expecting you to sign up to a bell plan? can you pm the provider?
[G2 and Desire Z General] gtrab:
yes its negrielectronics, and as I said they state "unbranded unlocked"

I have no previous experience with them, so I will be confirming how it goes next week
[G2 and Desire Z General] JPHCCFC:
they are in the US
[G2 and Desire Z General] gtrab:
thanks for pointing out

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[G2 and Desire Z General] CarlGalgano:
I also found Negri Electronics and had been watching their website for the 850/1900 version of the D-Z. On Thursday the button on the website changed from "pre-order" to "add to cart". So, I bought one and went thru the amazon checkout process. I emailed Negri to inquire about a ship date and was told it would be Thurs 10/4. I was a little disappointed, and was given the option to cancel my order. I decided to stick with it. BTW, the email came from a guy named Ryan Negri. (yes I know it can be spoofed). Negri has some pretty mixed vendor reviews if you do a search, and I have never ordered from them before. If someone has a better source, Id like to know.
[G2 and Desire Z General] gtrab:
Same situation here, my first order with them

and you can't find a closer ship date or a NAM version elsewhere,

even from euro shops (they are saying Nov 8th- Nov 11th and it's the 900/2100 version)

I realy expect them to stick to that date

It's a win-win bet because they will get my comments and possible recommendations posted here, for sure

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[G2 and Desire Z General] CarlGalgano:
ive also looked and looked and looked and cant fine the 850/1900 version anywhere, which also make me pretty suspicious about negri's 11/4 ship date, but hey, I am willing to wait it out. I am hoping after the Bell release on Wed we will have some more options if this does not pan out. ATT has the worst selection of Android devices, especially with a keyboard. I bought my milestone from sntraders (telus branded). I dont mind spending the money on the device.
[G2 and Desire Z General] LickTheEnvelope:
Called two Bell stores nearest to me and got good news and unsure news:

1. Both aren't sure if they will have the Desire Z on Wednesday for launch, but both have not got any news on delays.

2. Neither had had any calls on the device at all, which is probobly good news as far as availability.

As one said: "Everyone is Iphone brainwashed. I seriously just had 4 straight calls asking if we have the Iphone 4 in stock." lol.
[G2 and Desire Z General] htc fan89:
I'm going ditch/trade my iphone 4 for the desire z, when it releases...
[G2 and Desire Z General] seattleboi1982:
which stores did you call, i called one in White Rock and one in Langely. id like to drive uyp and buy one and not worry about them trying to put me on a 3-yr contract as i am already tied to a contract with ATT and im not a Canadian. i got money burning a hole in my pocket for it. id like to upgrade from my Nexus One. need to sell that too.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Raspster:
I was orignially getting the desire z from Nergi and decided tio change my order to the 850/1900 galaxy tab. However, I did get an email last week before I changed my order telling me the desire z 850/1900 would be in this week. When I replied to the guy telling him I wanted to change my order, he called and left a message on my home phone. I called back using the caller ID and sure enough, they answered Nergi electronics. I spoke to the guy that called and all seemed well. I have had friends order from them without problem.
[G2 and Desire Z General] petard:
$35 off at negri electronics

sb35offjkh

I'm going to call them tomorrow to make sure it is the 850MHz version and to confirm ship date. Might order it! Excited!

I hope it has some kind of warranty but I doubt it. I didn't need to use my warranty for my Tilt2 or my Nexus One so hopefully I won't need it.

Edit: You lose free shipping, so it's $25 off. Still good!
[G2 and Desire Z General] CarlGalgano:
Here is another Canadian retailer that says they will have the D-Z in stock on 11/3 (tomorrow).

OK, I cant post the link....

It is called Omegacell Communications.

Anyone ever heard of them?
[G2 and Desire Z General] JPHCCFC:
first that I have found of the Desire Z http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2010/11/02/htc-desire-z-review/ Not the best too be honest!!
[G2 and Desire Z General] Anomaly:
are those prices on omegacell in USD or Canadian dollars?
[G2 and Desire Z General] seattleboi1982:
I'd like to know too, they look a little high, compared to the carrier.
[G2 and Desire Z General] pr0cs:
Canadian, they're in Edmonton.
[G2 and Desire Z General] seattleboi1982:
$650.00 CAD to $643 USD is still a little high. and that is without shipping
[G2 and Desire Z General] LickTheEnvelope:
I called one at Brentwood mall in Burnaby and one at Cap mall in North Van.

Going to call them back later tonight to verify.
[G2 and Desire Z General] seattleboi1982:
let us know. i'm willing to drive from Seattle tomorrow to snag one.
[G2 and Desire Z General] LickTheEnvelope:
Also if you are "buying outright" you still need to activate on Bell Mobility. You can put it on no contract (or maybe prepaid) but you might have to pay for $30 plan for 30 days on cancellation and you might need a Canadian addey to start an account.

You might also want to check with a Best Buy or Futureshop to see if they will sell you one out-right since your from the states.

EDIT: I will phone them at about 4 PM Pacific.

EDIT 2: Just read on another forum that someone in Canada who signed up for Bell updates got an email that confirms the Desire Z will launch tommorow on Bell. :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] seattleboi1982:
i checked both Futureshop and Best Buy and i don't see anything listed.
[G2 and Desire Z General] JPHCCFC:
I got the email confirming tomorrow, I also stopped off at Bell in Square One and they said they would have it tomorrow!
[G2 and Desire Z General] seattleboi1982:
that sucks, i really wanted to try and snag one. hell, id put it on a prepaid just to give them some commission
[G2 and Desire Z General] LickTheEnvelope:
Email posted on another forum:

http://androidforums.com/htc-desire-z/210781-news-htc-launch-date.html
[G2 and Desire Z General] gtrab:
@LickTheEnvelope thanks for sharing

Seems like we are going to get our NAM version Desire Zs sooner than our European counterparts @ the other thread LOL

:p :D :rolleyes:

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Available only from Bell, the HTC Desire Z™ might just be the fastest smartphone ever. Get it on Canada’s best network.1

Features include:

• Download speeds up to 14.4 Mbps2 • Lightning-fast Android™ 2.2 operating system • Full Flash support • HTC Sense™ for seamless social networking

Starting November 3rd, you can purchase the HTC Desire Z at bell.ca, by calling

1 888 4-MOBILE (662453) or by visiting a Bell store or authorized dealer.

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[G2 and Desire Z General] petard:
I chatted with Negri electronics. They said they are Bell branded and the warranty applies in the U.S. I'm not so sure about the warranty though. I'm going to contact HTC.
[G2 and Desire Z General] seattleboi1982:
has anyone noticed on the Negri Electronics that it went back to pre-order?

http://negrielectronics.com/htc-desire-z-850-1900-3g-unlocked.html
[G2 and Desire Z General] LickTheEnvelope:
I just called 2 mall Bell stores in Vancouver, both confirmed they have stock on hand for the Desire Z launch tommorow. :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] seattleboi1982:
just got off the phone with the Langley store, they can't and won't sell it to me. so i had to pre-order from Negri Electronics
[G2 and Desire Z General] CarlGalgano:
I wonder if that means they have sold all their initially allocated stock, or they will not be receiving any just yet. I ordered one from them last Thurs and was told it would be shipped this Thurs (11/4).
[G2 and Desire Z General] ok11:
my friend who is with Bell, signed a contract and is picking up his Desire Z phone in store tomorrow. Can he request to buy another one full price for me?
[G2 and Desire Z General] LickTheEnvelope:
He can buy another and activate it on his phone number ($20 cost on his bill).

Yes.