yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[EVO 4G General] skydeaner:
LOL thanks dude, glad someone shares my

sense

of humor! Get it... like htc sense cuz it's evo..... nvm bad pun.
[EVO 4G General] catseyenu:
FAQS about BFS

Still looking for CFS..
[EVO 4G General] bretweb24:
Did we lose the link to the webpage showing the kernel comparisons
[EVO 4G General] skydeaner:
It is the picture
[EVO 4G General] Beejis:
Awesome work my friend, helps me make a choice!

Sent from my HTC Evo 4g
[EVO 4G General] bretweb24:
Huh, hats what I thought but I can't access on my phone, just pulls up a larger image when I click on it.

One quick opinion question: I rooted but am just running stock Evo besides that. (can't upgrade my HTC software with my rooting apparently) my question is what would be "the best" kernel for me to be using? If its hard to pick the best, maybe a top 3. Again, I know its just an opinion. Thanks in advance!
[EVO 4G General] skydeaner:
Kings #9BFS

Kings #6BFS

Netarchy 4.1.9.1 bfs/cfs

That would be my top 3 choices. King's leaning more toward battery life, run 9 if you have no problems with it. If anything weird happens run 6, but it shouldn't.

Netarchy I would say is smoother overall. But for some reason i can't get the idle mA down on it and it does eat slightly more battery.

If I'm going somewhere for all day or whatever I use king's 9. If i'm gonna be at home or near a charging station then I use netarchy 4.1.9.1 and if netarchy alpha 5 ever stabilizes completely, then that is going to be a permanent, no matter what i'm doing, kernel for sure. It is freakin sweet. Just gotta get the bugs worked out.
[EVO 4G General] pongoface:
Agreed, that is currently my top 3 for sense in the same order for the same reasons. When I run cm6 for giggles I run 7.6 snap turbo.
[EVO 4G General] bretweb24:
Thanks guys. I'm going to give them a shot!
[EVO 4G General] tpdtopcop:
Let us know your thoughts on them.
[EVO 4G General] skydeaner:
yeah if they'd just fix the camera on cyanogen to where it takes as good of pictures as stock then I'd be there all the time. Cuz 7.6 turbo is fast as a mofwakle.

I'm gettin bored, i hope the dev's are really crankin hard on the .34's.... come on netarchy, get your five fixed up!
[EVO 4G General] bretweb24:
I have been using the kings #9 today, not sure if I have seen a noticeable increase battery life. I have 4g off, running aquarium live wallpaper, gps on. Used phone mainly for texting via handcent, not many texts sent/received - maybe 25. Used XDA app and searched several posts, also used fantasy football app a couple times and searched IMDB a couple times. Phone has been off the charger since 230 and its now 10pm and my battery is at 45%. (note: I am using my battery from my Hero right now and that may make a difference. Put my Evo battery in wall charger and cycle batteries that way)

Noticed my quadrant score was slightly up. Was scoring around 1130 stock, now around 1208 after kernel change.

Sounds like a lot if useless info, but just putting out for others to get an idea of what they can expect. I am new to the kernels and such, so I figure id lay it out in terms everyone could understand. I plan on doing some reading on what all this stuff actually does and what it means. I'll continue to report any experience with thus and other kernels for those that care.

:::NOTE::: I ran Quadrant again with my 4G on, and I got a 1440. I didn't know data speed would affect the quadrant scores, but that shows what I know. This was with the Kings #9 still.
[EVO 4G General] skydeaner:
EDITT:::: SORRY FOR THE LONG POST, IT IS WORTH READING THOUGH I THINK LOL.

Actually that particular background makes my offscreen idle on vaelpak/kings9 go from 66ma to 124ma;, "LCD-on full, Minimum freq" go from 270ma to 372ma, and when i dont have it forced to stay at 245mhz it won't even think about it, it goes from 534ish-max which is 1152 for me, and sits at 448ma almost all the time, peaking at 674ma and more.. Every once in a while it will drop down to 245mhz@398ma but stays there only for a short nanosecond lol..

So what i'm saying lol, expect half battery life or less with that live background. I tested a couple others and none were quite that bad. A lot of them were close, and they really do eat your battery very quickly. Some people say, "oh it isn't that bad" but, officially, yes it really is that bad. I assume all the fish are rendered in 3d so our platform isn't ideal. The galaxy s platform would probably handle it quite a bit better. I guess you could force the phone to 245 by changing your setcpu every time you don't plan on using it for a while, but 1)that would be annoying as piss soaked panties.... 2)it gets jerky at 245mhz, so you loose the "show off" value of Lwp's anyways.

Hope this helps you out!

Checking yesterday i went 22 hours before plugging in. I use a static picture background of course. No network monitoring tools, no app killers.

I'm on the internet most of the day, listen to slacker while in the car about 45 minutes a day. Let my kids watch mickey mouse an already saved avi from my sd card while we are in walmart, grocery etc... about 30 minutes. Quadrant a couple times. Linpack a couple times. That's about all that went on. :)

SETCPU Values I use

<100% battery = 245mhz - 1152mhz @ conservative

Charging/Full = 245mhz - 1152mhz @ conservative

Battery <19% = 245-883mhz @ conservative

Screen off = 245mhz - 245mhz @ conservative

ADVANCED TAB/

20,000 uS sample rate

45% up threshold (makes things smoother, more responsive, zero screen lag)

20% down threshold - drops off easier.

ignore nice load and powerave at their default of 0

Everything is always smooth and I run 1500+ in quadrant all day long. never under 1450 except for warm up run. Just ran a 1585 actually.

Kings 9 has amazing battery life IMO. To be as smooth as it is and responsive with my ramp up at 45% and last through all of the things i do on a daily basis impresses me every day.
[EVO 4G General] bretweb24:
Ill give it a shot with a static wallpaper today. Thanks for the info.

Is SetCPU worth the $2, even if I don't really know what I am doing with it?
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
@skydeaner what do you use to measure energy consumption?
[EVO 4G General] freeza:
Hi, is CurrentWidget the only app available you can use to get mAh readings in Android?
[EVO 4G General] skydeaner:
As far as i know it is the only one. It works well and records it to a log at whatever interval you specify.

It is what i use for my measurements.

Although... I am considering using my multimeter for a different set of tests. running it inbetween the phone and the battery to measure actual pull directly from the battery. This would be ideal. I mean who knows where the phone is measuring at. For now it works good though.

I am going to fund that directly off of donations and I need a charging cradle, the kind that charges the battery in the back to be able to do it. I will be running wires directly from the battery charging area to the multimeter and then to the phone, directly to the contacts on it. But without the cradle for the battery I would have to destroy a battery by soldering directly to it, and i refuse to do that to any of my batteries lol. Havent got enough donations yet :)
[EVO 4G General] brandontowey:
Thanks for This Info

Holy ****, there's a lot of info here. Thanks for this. Not saying I understand most of it but I can feel my OCD kicking in which means I'm in for a 10 hours cram session. Hopefully then it'll make more sense. Thanks again.
[EVO 4G General] jonnybrx:
What hardware version were the tests run on

Thanks for all that good work. Question though:

What hardware version were the tests run on? I read that some kernels run better on 002 and some on 003.
[EVO 4G General] skydeaner:
Wow really? I need to get my hands on an 002 and disprove this. I really doubt it's true.

Testing was done on rev 003 evo. Just got it brand new from asurion a couple weeks ago. I have an epson screen. In case anyone cares lol.
[EVO 4G General] tpdtopcop:
Are you using kings 9 cfs or bfs?
[EVO 4G General] skydeaner:
bfs

10char lol
[EVO 4G General] abstraction21:
Been using this Kernel with [ROM] Myn’s Warm TwoPointTwo and I get insanely good battery life. My phone still had 60% battery life after 16 hours of being disconnected from charger. I'm getting tempted to try Kings #6 but why fix it if it ain't broken.
[EVO 4G General] fldash:
I dislike the OnDemand governor because it basically only uses 2 frequencies... your min and your max. It never uses anything in between... That's why I've been using conservative... How are you getting the mA power draw information?
[EVO 4G General] skydeaner:
mA power draw is provided by the phone and output using "current widget" it's free on the market.

On demand is bad i agree. Anything that uses only 2 frequencies i stay away from. I wasnt staring at my phone at the time lol, i actually use "conservative" i wasn't actually looking at the phone and typed the wrong thing, sorry bout that mateys. I updated that post too, so now you look like you are crazy :P lollololol
[EVO 4G General] fmedina2:
I really appreciate all of your help! Unfortunately I am having trouble finding a kernel that does not drain a lot of battery at idle. I have tried Kings 8 9 10 and all drain about 10% an hour with 0 usage. I tried uninstalling SetCPU as I heard it can cause problems. Still getting pretty bad battery life with Kings 9 BFS. I am running Fresh ROM. It seems this problem came all of a sudden as I use to be able to SetCPU at conservative overclocked to 1228 and would still get at least 24 hours of use. Now I cant get more than 8 hours even at powersave. What can it be? Getting lower than 1300 on quadrant scores.
[EVO 4G General] skydeaner:
If you are getting lower than 1300 on quadrant on all of those kernels, then there is something that is going on in the background that is using your processor. It is taking away from your score in quadrant because the processor can't be dedicated just to it, and it is sucking your battery down because 10 percent an hour is rediculous unless you are really using your phone hardcore.

I'm lucky if my phone is sitting idle to lose ten percent in 8 hours lol.

There are programs that will track which programs are using your battery most. Poke around some of the battery threads in the general section and you will find them. then you'll see what program is causing your battery drain and low quad scores.
[EVO 4G General] smarmytime:
I could swear you had these values listed as "on demand" when I first saw them.

Anyways, I'm glad you posted them - I was getting fairly crap battery life, before trying your settings out. I'm using the same Vaelpak from that you tested with, and Netarchy 4.1.9.1 cfs kernel. I had SETCPU set at 1152 @performance, with everything else at default - no profiles, or anything like that. I'm new to overclocking, and since I didn't know what any of the other settings did, I didn't want to mess with them. But I was getting about 6-7 hours battery life. Now, I'm getting 12-13, with the same useage, using your settings above, except on demand, instead of conservative. I'm getting a slight performance hit...I just did 5 runs through quadrant, and averaged 1410, with the high 1506 and the low 1276. That's slightly lower than I was getting before, but with no noticeable difference, so I don't care...though I would like to figure out what's running in the background that's slowing things down.
[EVO 4G General] skydeaner:
Their isn't nearly as much saved beetween on demand and conservative as you would think. It is great in theory. But a lot of programs that cause your cpu to ramp up cause it to keep ramping up until it hits the max anyways. Maybe it is just poor coding I dunno, i haven't programmed anything in a long time. In some standardized tests i got a few extra hours out of it.

Oh and yeah i did have Ondemand on there at first. At this point I am not sure which one I was using at the time lol. But here lately i have been using conservative, so I edited it and put them all at conservative in case anyone wants to copy them into their setcpu. Even a few hours is something,, and there doesn't seem to be a performance hit in most cases.
[EVO 4G General] catseyenu:
on demand and conservative?

Still not up to speed.. "conservative" ?

Using HTC stock kernel I have "User Space" as an alternative.

Same same?
[EVO 4G General] skydeaner:
Yes that would be the closest alternative with the htc kernel. Watch your cpu speed with the setcpu widget and make sure it is adjusting to frequencies in between your min and max. and not just your min and max only.
[EVO 4G General] overthinkingme:
Can this be stickied pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee?

modss! :D
[EVO 4G General] catseyenu:
Much appreciated!

Taco money inbound. :)
[EVO 4G General] catseyenu:
Seconded!

/10 characters.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
New AOSP king's kernel was just released..
[EVO 4G General] skydeaner:
SUUUUUUHHHHHWEEEEEEEEEET!

results to come
[EVO 4G General] skydeaner:
woot! I feel sorry for my wife lol

J/k actually i am going to spend it eventually on a battery stand or spare battery so i can measure actually amperage straight from the battery to the evo. More accurate that way. And lots more fancy graphs for me to throw up!
[EVO 4G General] skydeaner:
are the king's 1cfs and kings 2cfs new? or is the kings bfs2 the only new one?

If so I need to adjust one of them for a new "low lcd-on idle amperage." cuz it is measuring a little lower than before.

anyones know?

pleases...
[EVO 4G General] skydeaner:
well i got fired today lol. Guess i'll have time to put up an update tonight!
[EVO 4G General] wmdunn:
Woah ... sorry to hear that. Thanks again for compiling all this!
[EVO 4G General] skydeaner:
well i knew it was coming because of this white trash ***** they made area supervisor. She ****s **** up all the time and to cover her ass she just blames the store managers lol.

And you are very welcome sir.

Imma run a new set of pictures now... it has king's kernel 11cfs and the new aosp bfs2 on it. Until i find out if the 1cfs and 1bfs are the originals he had listed i will leave them unchanged.

EDITO

updated.

enjoy
[EVO 4G General] smarmytime:
That. Sucks.

Sorry, man. And after you'd been putting in 75 hour weeks, no less.

Eff em, bigger and better.
[EVO 4G General] tpdtopcop:
Just went to look at the updated site and the pics are broken.
[EVO 4G General] skydeaner:
woops lol. something ate my pictures..... how weird. Imma have to recreate them cuz that is how they are on my hard drive now too. I've never seen anything like this happen lol. At least without knowing what caused it.

Yeah i know, 75+ hours over the past two weeks and they let me go for stealing company time. I'm salary, i can't steal ****. Even at 75 hours. I started asking if they were going to pay me minimum wage instead of my salary for this past two weeks and they fire me immediately and say i was stealing time.

EDIT:

Ok nevermind. They are fine on my hard drive. Somethins goin on with comcast i guess. I tried several upload methods and randomly some end up with 0kb file sizes and whatnot. I dunno what's goin on. I'll try again tonight.
[EVO 4G General] kingklick:
my latest AOSP kernel is CFS #1 :)
[EVO 4G General] skydeaner:
thanks king!

Ok the website is back up and going. Weirdness i tell ya. weeeeeeirdness.

Let it be known I am semiretarded and I listed king's CFS as CFS2. There is only one AOSP CFS kernel from King ATM so just realize it will be on the downloads page as king's aosp cfs 1 lol.
[EVO 4G General] Max_Pain:
Skyler,

thanks for the work man. I had seen the link before but never actually checked it out. it's a lot of info, but after combing through it i'm still not sure as to how all these tests give you a BEST kernel.

for example, i'm using Netarchy's CFS 4.1.9.1 or something, came with the rom.

I can say that your results are exactly what i get on my tests (fps2d, linpack, quadrant) so it's consistent from phone/rom to phone/rom i guess.

do you have a kernel that has specially resonated with you as being better overall for sense roms?
[EVO 4G General] skydeaner:
Well every day I use king's 9 bfs. I use a htc based rom because i can't stand when something goes wrong and I can't tell if it is a problem with the program or a problem with Cyanogenmod that people haven't listed yet.

I will say that netarchy's bfs 4.1.9.1 gives me a little better "smoothness" than king's 9bfs. But the battery on king's is much better. Netarchy 5 alpha took care of this problem and once it is released and the graphic glitches get worked out of it, i will be using that every day.
[EVO 4G General] Max_Pain:
i have the seidio 3500 as of friday, and as of friday night I stopped caring about battery life. on power-saving mode (auto brightness, set cpu set to 500-1000mhz ondemand, wifi only on when needed), with a lot of heavy gaming and downloading, i got 21.5 hours before i got to 10%.

now i'm at 1000-1190mhz ondemand, high brightness, wifi on most of the day, and i'm already about 10 hours and have 40% battery.

i'm happy:)

so, battery life aside, is the netarchy's BFS much better than the CFS to make it worth flashing over? or should I just wait for netarchy 5?
[EVO 4G General] skydeaner:
Nah, they are very very similar. I would stick with that until 5 stabilizes. It is something amazing, it really is lol.

I have a big azz battery too, but I never use it. I may start. I have to get a case that will work with it first.

EDIT:

MAN COMCAST'S **** IS F'ED UP TONIGHT! Anything i upload comes out 0kb. Unless I use their website to upload. I call them and they say they are not having problems. I have 3 different computers and a phone i have tried it from Mr comcast man.... i think I know if something is ****ed up lol.
[EVO 4G General] DraginMagik:
thanks to the OP for taking the time to put this together for us.
[EVO 4G General] skydeaner:
You are very welcome!

I'm going to have to go through the baked kernels again it looks like. My checksums don't match up with the current ones on his website. Thanks tedswan for letting me know. Maybe the ones he listed on his xda post are different than his website. I downloaded from his xda post. So I will redownload them and redo all the results.

EDIT::

Ok everything was fine. I dont know what happened with baked 5. The download off of his webpage has a different md5, but it performs Identically. So I have updated the download so that I have the same one from the bakedsnackshack page. Don't want to confuse people with different checksums even if it is the same performance.

baked 6 results are getting added to graphs tonight

EDIT 2::

they is up, download link for baked 5 now has the new version of baked 5 on it. Or whatever. It matches bakedsnackshack.com now lol. Baked 6 results have been added.
[EVO 4G General] 1ktmeadows:
Kernels

Im new to rooting. I rooted with unrevoked 3.21 and I was wondering if someone can guide me to the next step so that I can overclock my phone. Do I need a ROM flashed first and then flashing a kernel. Or can I just flash a kernel on my phone. If so can someone guide me. Please and Thank You
[EVO 4G General] skydeaner:
Download whichever kernel you want and put it on the root directory of your sd card.

If you rooted with unrevoked you should be able to power down your phone. Power it on while holding the volume down button. This will take you to recovery mode. you can then select to flash a zip. Flash a zip from your sd card. You can choose whichever kernel you want and confirm that you want to flash it. Reboot your phone and you will have a kernel that is capable of overclocking. Then you can download overclock widget from the market. Or get setcpu that most people prefer for some reason for a couple bucks from the market. It allows you to have more profiles and more control.

That is it. There are stickies and guides on this already, so this is just a general overview of how to do it. You should look into a custom rom for better performance though. You will notice it more than just an overclock.
[EVO 4G General] vincey2kr1:
Can we get a simple url link on the first post when I click on the bench test using tapa talk all I get is the image.
[EVO 4G General] jerryparid:
Standard deviation =! Variance
[EVO 4G General] skydeaner:
ahhh, i've been told that from several people, i made the text a link also. Does clicking the text that says "click here or click on the picture" not work with tapatalk?

EDIT:

Nevermind, i must have forgot to save that edit. I am re-editing now so that there is a text link also.

EDIT2:

Ok fixed. I guess i had fixed it before and saved it, but since i included the picture AND text in the same link, the text wasn't even showing up in tapatalk. Maybe something weird with the tapatalk/xda program, maybe something weird with the forums, I dunno. Regardless, i just made the text a link and that's it now. All is good.
[EVO 4G General] vincey2kr1:
Awesome works now
[EVO 4G General] skydeaner:
I'm fallin asleep.... someone put out a new kernel already damn
[EVO 4G General] dtrammell:
Too bad there isn't a benchmark that can measure a kernel's stability. I'm using Kingx9BFS at the moment, but I suspect it might be the cause of some stability issues I'm seeing.
[EVO 4G General] dsuare021979:
very nice job

Amassing job, I`ll try kins6bfs right know let see how is it/
[EVO 4G General] luieavila:
Check this one out...

Originally Posted by myn

I am giving this new Kernel from Ziggy471 a try tomorrow under normal work conditions to see how it does.

If anyone is interested in trying it, it's over at Ziggys website:

http://www.ziggy471.com/2010/10/23/z...kernel-23-oct/
[EVO 4G General] jhgti:
im flashing now kings #9 on warm 2.2 let us know if you try #6
[EVO 4G General] skydeaner:
King's six is hard to beat, i still run it instead of 9 sometimes, I can't decide which i like more.

Testing for ziggy will be done soon. It has some pretty damn impressive quads for htc/sense kernel.

Imma be running it to test for stability for 2 days before I put up results and link the download.

Oh and it's going to take me a couple days to lay out my excel again... considering I deleted my last ****ing copy of all the results on accident..... god I am so angry. scouring backups upon backups now. But I aint finding anything. Had to sell my laptop and I formatted it with the final copy on there lol. Anyone wanna donate to my "I don't have a job anymore and need to feed my kids" fund?
[EVO 4G General] jhgti:
quick question if I flash a new kernel and do a nano backup would it be save? I'm new but loving it
[EVO 4G General] dtrammell:
Woohoo, new HTC ROM with a new kernel :D

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=819838
[EVO 4G General] skydeaner:
Finally some excitement again, allthouguh from what I hear it is going to be the same as far as performance goes. But if they improved the camera like people are saying, that is very much welcomed. The video is atrocious. The audio is the worst. The pictures can be much improved also.

I can't wait to get that htc kernel 10 separate from the rom. Weird how they number them lol. 10 came out after 11 and whatnot.