yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Santa-Claus:
Hey Micha,

a lot of thoughts up there ... The one or the other gives way to a relevant degree of frustration on your side. Therefore be assured that most most of all users appreciate your and the dev-team´s efforts deeply to enhance the use of our HD2 and all other smartphones which are capable to use your apps.

But reading the fora also should make all of us aware that lots of us only take and never give. That could (and should) be donations but that should be at least an extensive use of feedback-possibilities and at least of the thanks-button.

I hope your enthusiasm will successfully suppress your frustration. To help I send another donation - it probably should not be invested in a bottle of beer but something stronger ;-) And probably that will help you to reanimate CoOkie :)

I think you know that it has been the development of CHT/CHTE/CHTS/CHTSloco suite which pushed our HD2 to one of the best smartphones ever. And whenever you quit developing this software we will lose one of the main reasons to keep our "Leo". So please keep on going and developing :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] iorecki:
can someone link me to a way to remove the word start from the top left corner of the screen, when im using start on the bottom left. only seems to appear up there after i install cht.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] osiedacz:
It actually isn't cht that does this, it has been confirmed by myself and others in this thread that the start in the upper left can crop up even if you are running a ROM without CHT. Seems to just be a little leftover from 6.5.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Viper420:
hey guys. was trying CHT for the 1st time, using an AT&T Tilt2 with sense 2.5, winmo6.5, original ROM, just unlocked to use while im here in Santo domingo.. it installed beautifully, and runs like charm. then installed CHT editor, did even more wonders for me. now after two days of using it, i was amazed as to how much better it CHT + Editor made my phone feel. however, this morning wake up to find the phone not showing any service. so i tried restarting the phone a couple of times, turned sense on b4 the restart, then off b4 the restart but to no avail. under phone settings, it would get stuck @ "registering on the network". now i know from reading that CHT isnt for the TP2, but for the HD2, but it was working wonders until this little problem sprang up. after the uninstall of CHT + Editor (5 minutes ago) the connection seem to be just fine. any reason as to why it would happen after using the CHT + Editor for a couple of days.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] iorecki:
well never seemed to have this issue with 1.8. only change ive done is this 2.0 upgrade.

is there a known way to get rid of the start... ?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] R^7Z:
For me, it is intermittent. Sometimes it will show, other times it remains hidden. Perhaps it's a ROM issue? Have you attempted to flash a ROM with CHT 2.0 cooked into it yet? Maybe it has nothing to do with it, maybe it does... One way to find out I'm sure, my friend! :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] RoryB:
For me in Energy ROM I have installed it shows when I go to the Start menu and sometimes it will randomly show for a split second. I just ignore it since it has no effect on the function of my phone.

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I forgot to mention also manila.exe has a window labeled "Start " so we could be seeing it as it is being called. I have noticed this when I press my "home" button: the "Start" shows in the upper left corner and then the screen changes to my home screen.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hefman:
This really should have nothing to do with CHT, unless you added a Flight Mode or Data toggle and inadvertently touched it. CHT does not mess with your radio or network settings otherwise.

You might check your phone network settings to make sure everything is right there. You could also have a problem with your SIM card...
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hefman:
Edit: Sorry. Double post... :o
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] kjhadfield:
micha,

you are truely right! so now i want to say thanks (cht team) for the work put forward thus far. i have the tp2 and its now about 2 yrs old (same 1 from day 1) and the reason i havent got a new device is b/c all parts cht! w/ your help im able to see my sprint 2 yr contract die and still have a solid device/ui and it will be a sad day if/when dev stops on all parts cht.

thank you agian (sorry thats all i have...im broke, another reason i have a 2 yr old phone :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] pink_floyd:
Re: Open Letter

Micha,

Your work for the CHT-Suite is highly appreciated, without CHT I would be using an Android phone in stead of the good old TP2 (so better for the environment also ;)).

CHT and its components can come up to any commercial package as UI and it's unrivaled amount of functions, whereas over here on XDA an unprecedented level of support is added, all for free !

Users tend to forget that and take it for granted.

Therefore, forget all about the complaints (which will come anyway), waste of your time, and focus on the future with more nice features and well designed solutions.

PayPal Confirmation number: 89R395297R615825V
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] RoryB:
Perhaps we users need to be protected from ourselves and our own ignorance.

Should the programs be combined into a single package so these features are there by default?

I know this means some phones may not have enough memory to install CHT-ALL, but maybe they are border line able to run CHT anyway.

Just a thought.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Santa-Claus:
Micha,

probably you are right or at least feeling the main reasons why CHTS isn´t used that much as CHT/CHTE are.

I Think most users understood and still understand CHTS´s main task to schedule and switch profiles. I am not sure whether it is in everybody´s mind that the main intent of CHTS is to give a special backup tool for CHT/CHTE. I think lots of users understood CHTS in a differnt way. First it was a wonderful toy for scheduling profiles, for using different profiles, triggered by certain times and events. Afterwards came more and more new directlinks, backlight control and so on. And the possibility to easily backup layouts or even fullsensebackups.

Of course CHT/CHTE/CHTS/CHTSloco is not as easy to use as other programs. Of course it became a really mighty tollbox for everybody of us. All of us who have followed the steps of development had to learn a lot about new things with each step of development. And lots of us spent days and nights waiting for a new version, playing with it for hours and hours when it came out. Our children would laugh about our behaviour :) And our wives still do (at least mine does ;-) )

CHT/CHTE/CHTS is complex and offers hundreds of possibilities. that is what we all like. And that is someting that might be difficult for new users who do their first steps with CHT/CHTE/CHTS today. Theyy have not accompanied you and CoOkie and the others within the last nearly two years. They hadn´t had the time to learn step by step. They find something completely new which takes its time to learn everything about it. And it seems to be understandable that those "newbies" first and second and third stumble about their problems in handling CHT/CHTE/CHTS. And forget about mentioning the positive sides.

As you have written, normally it is not CHT/CHTE/CHTS which causes problems. in most cases the user is responsible for the things that cause their questions.

There are lots of users who simply want their device to function - even if they are modding it (although not that much in winmo-world I think). If you are developping a software like CHT or CHTE or CHTS you cannot get everybody on your side. CHT/CHTE/CHTS does not make things easier - it makes them much more interesting. And it uses reserves of our HD2 the normal user doesn´t know that they even exist.

Don´t bother to much. Don´t think about thousands who until now do not use CHTS. Think about those who ar fascinated by CHTS and its possibilities. Go your way - and you will have thousands of old and new enthusiastic followers :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] R^7Z:
+1

I agree with RoryB. If the intent is or was to get more travel over another app(or alongside), it's probably best practice to have them bundled together; make it mandatory rather than optional(maybe, not so much). The only thing additional I would add, is to only make it an option for lower memory devices. That being said, the main reason I don't use CHTS on my TP is because CHT has everything I need and then some. Which I have you, the devs of XDA, to thank for! :) :D
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Viper420:
all right. sounds good. thanx, will check after reinstall.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] MichelDiamond:
Hey Santa (why I'm thinking on a nice Xmas song atm? :) )

Yes - you are right - most of thems haven't seen the whole timeline of CHT / CHTS, and this is very good to understand.

And the other thing is that some people never learned to say Thanx you - even xda makes it much easier now with the "Rating of a thread" and the "Thank you-Button" - but I think a personal sentence is nicer.

Therefore I'm mostly upset about the recommendations, which don't come - and it costed much time to find all the issues of the whole system and find an opportunity to solute them with CHTS. Perhaps it's to simple to save & restore a Layout, that this can be believed. But there is many code behind, to do that automatically. Also behind the quicklinks is much code - and sure, that some users doesn't know the difference between C, C# and Mortskript - but simply: C is the best language to get a fast app without using noticeable ressources of a device (used for system parts of CHTS & CHT), whereas C# is good for an UI=User Interface (like CHTS-Configuration-Apps or CHTE) and mortskript is good for some apps, which needs no repeated or long-run (not used in CHT-Suite).

So - all is too understand - beside the things of recommendation. There is often tried to advise a kludge to solute a problem, which causes new side-effects, instead of saying "Hey - why do you simply not restore your CHT with a CHTS-backup" ?

And then the user can afterwards look, which Sense-Mod/Widget/WinMo-Tweak causes again that issue, if it's installed again. And if this would happen - restore Layout again :)

Sure - therefore, that Layout saving and restoring is automated and quite fast, CHTS also can auto-switch, so that you can have different Layouts because of time or current Location. But that's the second step, which mustn't be explained, if a user wants at first to get a solution for a malfunction of his Sense.

If he has it, some users would anyway try the other features with the time - and so the knowledge can come gradually - or never - that's indifferent - but user has a fallback on issue.

But if only mostly me has to repeat this, then this is a fight against windmills. And that's frustrating, as I know, that Layout/Sense-Restore has resuced the a.. of much users and prevented them before Hard-Resets.

But yeah - you are also right in your thoughts about the things

Merci

Micha
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] MichelDiamond:
Unfortunately this is not possible, because of the different Life-cycles of the versions of the Apps.

CHTS was concepted by Co0kie and me, that there are two interfaces between the apps:

1. the states are triggered by on of the App by defined registry keys to intercommunicate (and this is partly made by me and partly by Co0kie)

2. CHTS is flexible to be configured in all things, which can be backuped not only by Widgets/Themes - the basic things are also configured by CHT itself. So if an update of CHT comes, CHTS is automatically updated by different xml-files, that it runs automatically with each different version of CHT.

And also these things alone would cause problem with an All-In-Package.

But the Main Rease is this Version-Lifecycle:

If I add new features to CHTS, then the All-In-Package must be updated and installed again. So also CHT would have to be installed again, only if I decide to add a new option for Wallpaper-Scheduling.

The Quicklinks of CHT are also a single package, as this is the Quicklinks-Package of CHTS. This is because of the side-effects, if both would be in the .cab of Main-Apps.

Above all we are different developers for it:

CHT was mainly Co0kie (now Mike) and me (for the system things/toggles/sensors/...)

CHTE was John, then me, now a new dev soon

CHTS is me with the CHT-configuration parts of Co0kie and soon some configuration-parts of BHS Interceptor.

And all have a different timeline and especially CHTS is designed to be updated independent because of the auto-configuration of CHT.

So an All-In would only cause trouble while installation, because you anyway knows, that system-near-Apps are anyway hard to re-install and CHT is deep in system/Sense, that there are device/Sense-/Rom-dependecies.

But next CHTS 2.25 will be a Full-Package together with CHTSLoco, so that will be then one .cab and not two. Because I harmonized the Lifecycles of both apps now - before there were too much independent changes necessary - but now not anymore.

But CHT + CHTE + CHTS = CHT-Suite must be 3 single .cab's (with the additional quicklink-cabs) because of this reasons. So we can keep the installation and uninstallation as clean as possible.

Anyway: Thanx for this suggestion - but more is not possible for us without side-effects.

Regards

Micha
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] RoryB:
Good to know.

Shame we cannot do updates like other software that only replaces parts needed and then gets removed when there is a major change released. Sort of like all the updates to Windows and then a service pack.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] MichelDiamond:
Yeah - but that would be then also different .cab's

And CHTS is the smallest problem to update - it's mostly nothing else than like a service pack in it's installation.

In CHT this is mostly not possible, because of the dependencies to the widgets and all the stuff. But therefore CHTS provides the Restore-Feature: If a CHT-Update fails, then CHTS also is able to restore the version of CHT before. This was the second intention of Co0kie and me for CHTS, which I haven't mentioned so far. And this also works (since 2.10 without side-effects)

So if CHT will be updated somewhen, I can only recommend to make a Layout-Backup and a FullSense-Backup before doing that, so that you can also try Beta-Version or Release-Candidates of CHT (and finals, too, because of possible Widget-/Theme-/Sense-/Rom-Incompatibilities)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] BHS Interceptor:
Reply to Open Letter

Hola, please excuse me if I don´t quote all the opinions I agrre and disagree with, but it would simply "blow" my post :p

First of all I would like to express my gratitude to CoOkie, MichelDiamond, Mike2nl, Santod, the members of CHTS, CHT Artwork, CHT HVGA Port Beta Teams (I will not mention everyone individually, but you know who I mean ;)), the new & old "widgeteers" as well as users providing "feedback" for all their efforts into these devs.

The main reason for me, to support MD & CoOkie was because I "believed" in their work and for me, this was also a way of showing and demonstrating my appreciation. I have not donated money, but some time, thoughts and hopefully some help/assistance to CHT-Suite users and devs :D

I can only confirm Md´s statement of CHTS beeing a real "LifeSaver" regarding CHT and HRs. And believe me, I know this very well :p

Innitially I did test al functions within CHTS, but with time, I started to dedicate my efforts into ThemeSaving & switching as well as playing around with Addon Widgets for CHT. Also mainly focusing on saving & switching.

While I can confirm that I´ve made quite some progress with ThemeSaving & ThemeSwitching with CHTS (I can save and switch the entire looks of my devices atm - including all Tabs, as well as most WinMo elements including program icons / start menue, TaskBars & Dialers), I have also experienced lot´s of drawbacks and frustrations with the newer widgets, in my opinion no longer to be considered CHT Addon Widgets, but merely addon widgets for CHT, or CHT based. And it´s precisly this what makes me also follow MD´s thought about "leaving" and minding my own stuff...:(

Indeed, we are at a "turning point" or a "CHT Cross Road", where the "future" of what we already came to know and appreciate about "CHT Suite" might change depending on the "direction" chosen by devs, users, supporters & beta team members.

There will be some changes, some will like it and some will not, but hopefullt this will lead again to stabilize "CHT Suite" and re-set some basics and rules for this "Suite" to work as intended & be able to keep the "promises" made to users: Full compatibility & functionality for all elements called "CHT whatever" :D

And yes, there will be a "before" and an "after" :eek:

If I can still be part of it, great, and if not, so be it.... :cool:
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] poyensa:
Just want to apologize for any frustation that any of my widgets (created or participated) may cause, was not my intention.

To avoid missunderstanding i would appreciate a list of widgets to inmediately delete and not to authorise any use of them. For sure i dont want to be a problem for cht.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] R^7Z:
I'm glad to hear such wonderful feed back! I almost feel like XDA is my second family! :tear:

Oh wait, it is... T_T
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] sharkie405:
Dude, I just started cooking two of your widgets in my ROM!! Please don't take them away. I've missed whatever conversation you're referring to, but I'm sure no one wants to have widgets removed from service. :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] BHS Interceptor:
Hola amigo, no need for deleting any widgets, and the frustration doesn´t come from your widgets in particular. Your effort and knowledge can be considered a "driving force" and also a great "impulse" for CHT. Maybe we should just hold on for a minute or two, take a deep breath and communicate a few things and establish some "base" so we can all enjoy the widgets and posibilities of CHT, CHTE & CHTS (with LocoLoca) :D

If this means that we all have to do some bug search and fixes, well, let´s do that together ;)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] jakomimi:
I just read a lot of posts in this thread but anyhow please have my apologies if I have missed it. I'm thankful for your job for some time now since I use CHT with stock ROM and I like it very much. Today I installed new stock ROM and after that, of cource, CHT (only!) During adjustments of quicklinks the last entered quicklink (contact shortcut) has multiplied itself on all empty quicklinks slots. And I cannot get rid of that. I unistalled it and reistalled it, I installed even CHT which I never used for thinking I could managed it from there but it did not help. Please, advice me.

Phone: HD2

ROM: stock 3.14.479.2

Manila: 2.5.20181527.0

Radio: 2.15.50.14

Protocol: 15.42.50.11U

OS version: 5.2.21913.5.0.94

Thank you!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] sharkie405:
I'm cooking CHT along with several widgets into my ROM. I have all the widgets layed out right and all my quicklinks set up right, but I can't get my freelinks to cook in. I mean if you hit add freelink and then assign one of the notification links. I have all 4 of them set up on the phone, but I can't make a registry export of them stick.

I have searched through both Manila strings and I just can't see where the freelinks are set at. Can someone point me in the right direction, please?

Thank you :)

Edit:

Nevermind, I got it. It's in HKLM\Software\HTC\Manila\Home, for anyone else who might need to know.

Edit 2: Ok, well that's not it either... :( Still need help...
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] MichelDiamond:
restore your saved Chts-Layout - this also will refresh your Quicklinks.

Hey Sharkie - you were right - the freelinks are 0-99, above 100 that's the quicklinks.

what exactly doesn't work? (leave no gap in freelinks while cooking, fill 'em up with dummy-entries)

Regards

Micha
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] XRCIST:
Can someone please tell me how to change the color of the soft keys?

I have a light colored wallpaper with the soft key area is skinned but the keys themselves are light so I would like to make them darker and therefore easier to see.

Thanks
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] lonniemm:
cookies rules
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] poyensa:
every softkeys is a file png format named CHT_Softkey_***.png stored in windows folder. You can easily find them and edit, also find many differents in xda.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] XRCIST:
Thanks for the speedy response poyensa.

I don't mind the style, I just want to make them a grey color, is that possible and how do I do it?

Cheers
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] DannyDog:
hi, first .... sorry for my english is no good:)

i need help:)

i need swich light sensor to cht2.0 ...but it must work when screen is locked ONLY,,, plz plz anyone can meke it?:)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] poyensa:
only change color is not possible, need to change png file.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] McFlyH:
QuickLink to file

Hi! I'm sorry but I can not find any information on how to create a QuickLink to any file (on SD). :confused:
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] RoryB:
Make a shortcut to your file and save it somewhere under the programs menu directories.

\windows\start menu\programs

When you add a free link or a quick link they show up under the program list.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] RoryB:
That means you could copy the original png file and change the colors to be what you want and copy over the original png file on the phone is the only way to change the colors.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] MichelDiamond:
You mean proximity sensor, right?

This is in CHTEditor settable, in CHTS is also a toggle for it, to place it on CHT
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] McFlyH:
Thanks, I thought about it :-)

But a better when CHT can make this itself. :D
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Filipeknot:
I have a problem with Energy rom with CHT cooked! I've added a free link, and se where the message icon appear! The free link is under softbar!

Somebody can help me?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] poyensa:
try to solve it in the registry hklm/software/htc/manila/layouts/homeX ... i remember somebody solved there changing coordinates X-Y for freelinks
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Filipeknot:
I will try and post later! thx!

Sent using RapidRead!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] poyensa:
look here as xample http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=12289993&postcount=4168
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Filipeknot:
I see CHT QUICK LINKS config, but i don't find FREE LINKs configs on this REG...
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] saugbaer:
@peter has there ever declared....a page back ;)

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=12878875&postcount=4252

HKLM\Software\HTC\Manila\Home

The correct freelink search

Values change

cht_posx

the freelinks are 0-99, above 100 that's the quicklinks.

You can delete all values of correct freelink

Then adapt homelayout and freelink newly set

After registry amendment sense restart recommended :)

I cannot of course also wrong :rolleyes:
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] SaturnusDJ:
Is there a way to pin free links?

I want 3 notification icons to appear at every page (I don't use levels).
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] saugbaer:
Only if pinned displayed ;)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] SaturnusDJ:
I don't understand. What do you mean?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] saugbaer:
That said I ;)

see screen
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] SaturnusDJ:
Aren't that quicklinks? Or is pinning of free links added to CHT recently?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] saugbaer:
None this was just an example of notify ;)

So that only wanted to express...only if pinned appears when long press, then it is available :eek: