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[G2 and Desire Z General] arthurbrownleeiv:
You must not have upgraded phones in 8 years then, I can tell a huge difference between my Kaiser to my Leo.

Even then, I've yet to use a Motorola phone that doesn't have horrid battery life :)
[G2 and Desire Z General] faugusztin:
Rooting has nothing to do with custom ROMs and upgradeability. Rooting gives you root, and that's all. Nothing else. You can run apps requiring a superuser (screenshot apps, MarketEnabler,...) and that's it.

Second step in case of Motorola phones with locked bootloader is using a custom userland. That is - you can change anything in phone but the kernel. So you can put a 2.2 UI on top of a 2.1 kernel - but you won't have the JIT and many other cool stuff. And when Google releases 3.0, you won't have that either if some functionality will depend on new kernel. This is the main problem - you can make a semi-cyanogenmod, where you place all UI improvements into a update package, but that's all, it's not 2.2. It's 2.2 UI running on Android 2.1 on Motorola 2.1 kernel.

The last step are full custom ROMs, uncluding custom/new kernels, not made and/or signed by Motorola. This is impossible to do on Motorola phones, which means when Motorola stops providing updates for your phone you won't get any updates from anyone. No community updates, no Motorola updates.

This plus the support speed of Motorola (2.1 released in April, reboot bug fixed in September) makes Motorola a very, very, very, very bad choice. Also ask all DEXT owners what do they think about Motorola support for their phones (aka no Android 2.1 for DEXT).

Simply, Motorola is the evil company in the Android world, and no one should buy their phones. They made their point in non-US markets with DEXT and Milestone and get a lot of bad publicity thanks to this. US market is learning this now with Droid 2 and Droid X, they already got their first batch of bugs specific to Motorola phones which are going to be fixed slooowly (the SMS bug).

So, if you really want the better phone, get the Desire Z. It's not the hardware, but the support which really matters. What is all the better specs of Milestone 2 worth if it is plagued with bugs all over the place.
[G2 and Desire Z General] skulk3r:
so even with the new SuperOneClick root method, it's still not possible to get custom ROMs on the Droid 2/World Edition? Is this correct?
[G2 and Desire Z General] jfwfreo:
Given the talk about lockdowns for the T-Mobile G2, is there any reason to suspect the HTC DeeZire Z wont also have lockdowns preventing custom ROMs?
[G2 and Desire Z General] skulk3r:
it's hard to tell at this stage..but the device is not T-Mo, so there's hope!
[G2 and Desire Z General] faugusztin:
Correct. Root gives you only what it says - a root user, a ability to run the su command, ability to use applications requiring superuser privileges.

With all Motorola phones after Motorola Droid 1, you need a ROM with a kernel signed by Motorola private key. That means, you can right now change everything, except the kernel. In case of Milestone 1, you can put 2.2 UI on top of 2.1 kernel. When they will release 2.2 for Milestone 1, you will be probably able to put 3.0 UI on top of 2.2 kernel - but all the improvements at kernel level won't be available to you. For example in case of MotoFrenzy it means "Video Recorder + camera focus/audio" not working. And you will have problems like this every time you use a older kernel with newer UI.

Until someone comes up with a solution (get the key from Motorola, any of the solutions guys at http://and-developers.com/ are trying), any Motorola phone released after Droid 1 is a bad choice, as you are getting only updates from Motorola, and they don't have a good record in this area. Once you are left behind, you are left behind forever, no community support.

Of course HTC G2/Desire Z has it's own set of problems with this unwritable memory causing only a temporary root working, but this case is more likely to be breaked, as it's not key signing, just a hardware lockout, which will be IMHO solved with the first official update if not sooner (because at first update they will have to unlock the memory which is now locked).
[G2 and Desire Z General] gtrab:
you haven't tryed Sony Ericsson :rolleyes:

at least there are "ROMs" for the motos,

but SE = no SPL, no bootloader, no ROMs for any of their android phones,

not even the xperia x2 got hard SPL

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[G2 and Desire Z General] anothadave:
is it really a big deal worrying about when a company will stop supporting the phone?? ive been considering a milestone 2 or desire z myself so im interested in a comparision between the two. what difference does it make if motorola stop updates after a year...how often does the average user on here change phones? once a year...maybe 18months..2 years maximum. by then theres another super duper king dong phone out twice as fast lol. so its kind of pointless not buying a phone because motorola/htc/sony etc will stop providing upgrades in a year or two time. we wont have the phone by then! itll be someone elses problem lol. and if u do still have the phone, if they havent solved the major bugs within a year then theres no real hope and u might aswell ditch it and move on anyway.

its more relevant to make the comparison using information available today. most people just want a phone that works out the box, will run a few apps, make calls and wont crash every 10mins :P which is the better based on the performance, usuability and stablility right now? is the milestone 2 a buggy unusable mess that desperately needs custom roms and fixes? or can the average user quite happily make good use of it in everyday situations without worrying about roms, fixes and patches?
[G2 and Desire Z General] gtrab:
I made a comparison (desire z vs milestone 2)

The milestone 2 beats the D-Z on every aspect, except not being HTC...

Which one will I get ?? Easy:

The first one available with NAM bands
[G2 and Desire Z General] who knows:
looked at afew milestone 2 videos and it actually looks laggy on the touchscreen changing from screens.
[G2 and Desire Z General] skulk3r:
that's pretty much the philosophy that most phone companies are selling their phones on today - and it's not incorrect! In fact, for most users, having the phone "just work" (even with some minor performance issues) is okay..in fact, the phone can still be great! (just look at the iPhone)

but xda-devs is a forum where a lot of the "hard-core" phone or "enthusiasts" go to try and squeeze everything out of their devices -which is why rooting and custom ROMs are in demand. My Touch HD would have been binned about 6 months ago were it not for the custom ROMs and mods that came out and made it a completely new and interesting device every 2 weeks. So that's why being able to flash a custom ROM on my future device is important - and that's why Desire Z is winning me over the Milestone 2..plus, 800MHz will /probably/ be overclocked to 1GHz+ and the performance benchmarks so far have been amazing
[G2 and Desire Z General] anothadave:
theres meant to be a new 1.2ghz droid/milestone 2 on the way. droid 2 global i think its called. would that make it even more desirable? or just unnecesary icing on the cake?

ive currently got an xperia x2, i like the design and the fact its got a slide out keyboard. overall the layout of the hardware is near perfect for me. but its unreliability has just got to the point where its now almost unusable. i need something stable out the box but still having the same overall features. so after 8 years of sony phones i think its time to switch. ive not owned an Android based phone yet so something like the droid 2 sounds ideal. ive had a quick play on the original droid/milestone and it seems quite responsive. very nice screen and layout. not too impressed by the feel of the keyboard but from what ive heard theyve improved it for the droid 2. just dont want to get stuck with another lemon lol. im not bothered about custom roms but plenty of apps, games and custom themes would be useful.

ps. whats NAM bands?? lol
[G2 and Desire Z General] faugusztin:
One thing is what happens if the manufacturer stops updating it (Motorola = stuck, HTC = lives longer via XDA). But the second thing is, how good the support is while the phone still gets updates. And this is where Motorola is worse than anyone else, even Sony-Ericsson.

Why ?

HTC does delivery updates, mostly bug free.

SE can't deliver updates, but at least their firmware is mostly bug free as well.

Motorola ? Seriously ? Let's sumarize the Motorla Milestone firmware saga :

2.0 - it got the camera autofocus bug from Droid

2.0.1 - autofocus got fixed, but instead we got the "we will antialias everything in browser, even when scrolling, even if it means laggy scrolling" bug.

2.1 - random reboots bug (my top uptime was around 40 hours), sometimes not working alarm bug, random music playing while calling bug (i had only the random reboot bug, but that one was the worst)

2.1-update1 - after 5 months from 2.1 or 9-10 months since the launch of the phone we have the first really working firmware. Good job Motorola.

So once again, do you really consider Motorola in non-USA markets as a option ? Think again.
[G2 and Desire Z General] RBRiddick:
This is why I LOVE HTC!

HTC launch new model with some bug. By the time that new model comes to my country, xda dev have allready make bug fix and few more upgrades so I have HTC better then new one.
[G2 and Desire Z General] anothadave:
lol youve not had an xperia X1 or X2 then?? :P well this is what i was trying to get at really, is the motorola any good now or does it have a lot of bugs. after the X2 i could live with a few minor bugs if theres a good chance they will be fixed at some point. the design isnt really getting me too excited either. its an ok looking phone but after the sonys its a bit boring looking

the HTC's dont really get me all that excited either but theyre no worse than the motorola. the action of the keyboard flipping out does look better though. at the moment the choice is still 50:50 for me. they both have good and bad points. does the HTD Desire Z have a notification LED?? its a major deal breaker for me. since when im at work i cant really have my phone on me so its very handy to be able to look across at it and instantly see if ive missed a call or sms.
[G2 and Desire Z General] kholk:
I've owned a Motorola Milestone and I own an HTC HD2 since it has been released.

I've sold my Milestone because it's a real mess, got a lot of problems and Moto isn't capable of compiling a good kernel for their devices, verify it by seeing that ThumbEE isn't enabled, and it improves performance SO MUCH.

Anyway, as I said, Moto can't build a decent kernel, but the problem is that we can't put a decent kernel on it without disabling PHONE part of the device (2ndboot problems that can't be solved)

...so...

I've ordered an HTC Desire Z.

Buy any phone you want, but not a Moto if you don't want to get angry every day on a malfunctioning bugged and slow device.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Mackattack:
Don't see it listed here, but which will have the better call and sound/audio quality?

Is there any benchmark comparisons?
[Droid X General] lilmoney30:
If you guys hold off on the 2.2 OTA, ill have a pre-rooted .zip to install (will work no matter what version your on :) )

Sent from my DROIDX
[Droid X General] GoldenCyn:
can't wait, im taking the plunge.
[Droid X General] lilmoney30:
CONFIRMED DROID2 ROOT METHOD WORKS ON DX OTA #FAILMOTO

http://rootzwiki.com/index.php/Smartphones/Motorola/Droid-2.html

Sent from my DROIDX
[Droid X General] Koroz:
Im waiting to see if this new bootloader breaks any progress they have made so far
[Droid X General] kcasner:
if birdman is saying he'll release a 2.2 already rooted, then i'm confident that it won't break any current progress... as he's the one making the progress.
[Droid X General] Koroz:
I am talking about with the bootloader, not rooting.

But I lied I couldn't wait.

I SBF'd from LEAKED 2.2 to 2.1 (DONT GO FROM OTA TO 2.1 you will get hozed).

then OTA'd to 2.2

rooted.

Installed Superuser, updated SU.

Deodexed

Installed 3 Apps (Bootstrapper, Rom manager and TBH's app)

Installed Red spinning android bootimage

Installed Big Droid X Serenity Red

Applied Bootstrap

Applied ClockWork from inside Rom Manager

Backed up

So far thats as "brave" as I have gotten. I am more worried about his tweet that Moto updated the bootloader though then anything. Hate to see it affect things like Obsidian roms progress.
[Droid X General] SirBrass:
I doubt it'll hamper efforts all that much. They changed keys, that's all. I'll bet koush and others will bring us a 2.2 sbf and then things will be back up and running with the ROMs running the updated keys.
[Droid X General] chrlswltrs:
I will update as soon as birdman releases his update.zip, I almost took the plunge last night until I saw his tweet. A couple questions though:

1. I have removed bloatware, altered build.prop, and themed, does that need to be undone before updating?

2. For this that have taken the plunge already are the bugs from the leaked 2.2 fixed (SMS time stamp, battery usage force closing, upload problems, etc)?
[Droid X General] SirBrass:
You're going to have to be back to 2.1u1 and unrooted. I'm assuming that includes having your bloatware back as well, but if you're willing to be daring then go ahead and try it without the bloatware. Maybe the push will restore that anyway and you can just remove it again after you regain root.

I'm going to just bide my time. Tranquility 2.3.5rc + Serenity + 2.3.15 is VERY snappy by itself so I'm quite happy with that.
[Droid X General] Venc:
Can you give some links to both tranquility 2.3.5r and Serenity please. I don't exactly know how to get them.

Thanks
[Droid X General] chrlswltrs:
According to his tweet it will work upgrading from any version of 2.2, so I know I will not have to go back to 2.1
[Droid X General] magicriggs:
I hope they changed the boot loader on the 2.2 update for the X. Push back the progress. Yay, encrypted bootloader!

-Via Fascinate Courtesy Of Tapatalk
[Droid X General] suzook:
Wow...get a life
[Droid X General] magicriggs:
Let me explain my further reasoning of my actions. I am an android fan. Everything we want android has, that's why we like it. When motorola applied the encrypted bootloader that was one thing closer to something we don't like. Control and the lack of customization. If i wanted to be tied down to a firmware I would of gone to the iphone. Were not ever going to get pass the encrypted bootloader no full kernal port will ever come close. Changing files .apk names does not mean a full port your still using native apps. As android users we should of boycotted this product. I would love to have seen the same fate as the droid 2 - discontinued! The X is a disappoint and as android user we should of let this one pass over. The screen is ugly compared to the super amoled and the way I see it that's the main selling point on the X. So why wouldn't you switch to a better quality screen that'd only .3 inch smaller. Camera on the X is horrible for its 8 megapixel. Dual antenna is a gimmick, think about it, if you can't pick up signal with one antenna that's 2 inches away then your not going to pick sig on the other one. Point is android is a open source, motorola is closing the doors, instead of embracing and focusing development on this phone we should of directed toward another device.

-Via Fascinate Courtesy Of Tapatalk
[Droid X General] urufu_shinjiro:
That doesn't help those of us who have this phone and don't have the $ to upgrade before our two years is up.
[Droid X General] SirBrass:
2.3.15 is available on the tbh app and should soon be available to the public. Serenity is available HERE on xda in the mods section.
[Droid X General] SirBrass:
Not to mention that the Droid x is hardly a gimmick and we'll get around that bootloader soon. Great phone that is already quite nice out of the box (sans blurware).
[Droid X General] kcasner:
lol, I understood that since that's the only progress left. We already have root...

/face palm
[Droid X General] Corey@rabbit:
BACK on topic....

Every one see the birds tweets this morning, any one that applied the ota can never go back to 2.1. YOU WILL BRICK!

so if you hose something and cant get into recovery your stuck till the 2.2 sbf is leaked.

Im sooooooo glad i only applied the leaked .15 :D

sorry to those that did, I would suggest not getting to ballzy in modding :(
[Droid X General] KidJoe:
when you say 2.3.15, are you talking about the rooted and deodexed "upgrade.zip" or do you mean the SBF file of it?

I thought the "upgrade.zip" was available last Sunday in their app... and was already posted to the public on MDW on like Monday or yesterday.

If the 2.3.15 SBF, that would be GREAT news.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dhimura:
Hello folks

I'm kinda new in this forum, but i'm always told that i have a great potential :D

I want to be one of the most important android developpers (apps and ROMs, etc)

enough with the introduction

I have a Nexus One, and I've rooted it following the unlockr site

but after the last step (which i think is the devil here) i started to get a pink unlock icon (not a blue one), and after that, whenever i try to access recovery (after holding the power and volume down buttons) i get the nexus x logo with the unlock icon at the bottom for a few seconds, then I get our little green guy (android) with an exclamation mark, and that's it. Nothing happens next, i have to pull out the battery to restart. it only works when i plug my N1 to the computer an run the fastboot-windows.exe boot recovery-RA-nexus-v1.7.0.1.img (i got this from other site)

so what's the problem?

i really want it to act normally!

oh! one other thing

there's an app called universal androot from here Android Applications | TheUnlockr

but it won't work

when i root it says failed!

when i unroot it says that i have to root my phone first (my phone is already rooted!!!!)

any idea what is happening in my N1's mind?
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jack_R1:
There is no "blue unlock icon". The text on bootloader screen is always pink.

You didn't flash your recovery correctly.

It might be also that you didn't root your phone correctly - you just unlocked the bootloader.

If you want to be a developer, you need to learn to read a lot, so here's a good exercise for starters - there's a Wiki on this site, for Nexus. Find it, find the relevant guides and procedures, do whatever you need to get your phone running a custom ROM of your choice. Also, try to read some more to understand, why does Universal Androot fail, the reason is (most probably) found in the Wiki also.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dhimura:
hmmmmmm..... OK

no problem :)

i'll go to this wiki and hit the rod :D

If I had some any problems i'll let u know OK ;)
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Athailias:
If I master clear with my sim card in will it cause my sim card to blank. I am getting a sim unlock code request flashing to stock and master clearing... help!?
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] smokestack76:
Nope. Thats how i do it all the time.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Athailias:
Thanks for the response, I am going to exchange my phone. I keep getting autodownloading apps when I sign into my wifi and the phone asks for my simcode or gives me the circle with line through it saying there is no sim installed.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] iamshridhar:
Hello all,

I SHould admit that ZSJP3 froyo is better than XXJPC,

I first moved from JM1 Eclair (Official kies) to XXJPC but fiund that my product code was changed which was so annoying... later from some threads i found out how to get back my Product code.

Once my product code was back, i tried to move back to JM1, strange NOW my phone was acting crazy, now network at all, it was on flight mode all the time...after 16 hours of struggle and no result, i had to move to XXJPC back, to see, if my phone can see network again... Guess "Phone was able to see network"...

Moved back to JM1, JM2, JM5, JM7 back, nothing happed...

Later, i was totally frustated, and moved my phone to ZSJP3, my phone is BACK online...

Can any one tell me why this is happening? ZSJP3 use 512 pit, now can i move back to JM1 ?

I need the samsung app's on my phone, i love the facebook S!

I am still on ZSJP3, which is FAR better and TUNED than JPC...

Regards,

Shrik
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] toawkanavngthded:
is there a weather widget that is similar to sense? like if its raining, it will show raindrops on ur screen, if its sunny a sun will shine same for the night.... i kinda liked that type of live weather animation... is there anything like that? thanks in advance!
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cpk86:
Beautiful Widgets + beautiful wallpaper.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rodimus_prime:
i like weatherbug, just wish it would update on its own a bit better
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] alturismo:
Hi,

may someone knows how to route the traffic while a VPN connection is established.

would like to route only 192.168.x.x traffic through VPN, rest normally ...

but while im connected with VPN seems all traffic is routed through there.

may someone has a idea if thats possible to setup somehow or if theres an external app needed.

thanks ahead
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RussianSolja:
I got my replacement phone in the mail today and i need help reflashing to the stock rom that the phone came with, can somebody guide me to the right place? I know there was a sticky thread some where but I can't find it. Thank you.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jack_R1:
Nexus One Wiki is the new sticky thread. It contains links to all the guides.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Well... I completely stopped charging my phone with the wall charger and I am now just using either my car charger or USB and i've noticed my phone over the last two days has probably doubled in being able to hold a charge. Today I made approximately 2 or 3 30 minute - 1 hour calls, used the internet approximately 20 times for about 5 minutes each time and used SNESnoid for approximately 1 hour straight and my battery was at 40% after a 10 hour work day, not too shabby. Not to mention I also don't get that annoying 10% drop within 10 minutes of unplugging the phone anymore

I've seen a ton of other battery tip's but I've yet to see any actually say stop using a wall charger all together. Here's to hoping this helps someone
[EVO 4G General] twilk73:
Lol thanks for the tip. I highly doubt this is anymore then a placebo but good luck to whoever tries it. Not calling you OP I am just finding it hard to believe.

Furthermore, have you tried reseting your battery stats. I mean the initial 100-90 percent drop you are calling to quick sounds like its the fault of bad battery stats. If you need a link to how to reset your battery PM me only because I might not check back to this post lol.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Hmmm... I don't think that USB/Wall would actually make a overall difference in battery life but it could be that it doesn't "idle the charging" when you hit close to a full charge. So you're probably just getting the extra 5-10% that you mentioned.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Ehh... I don't make BS threads, never have and those that know me from the Hero forums can vouch. Just posting my findings :)
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
I know for a fact im getting the initial 10% but I looked at my battery today at 12:40 tonight before leaving work thinking "ahh crap I haven't charged it it's got to be at, at least 5-15% and nope, it was exactly 39%, I was amazed. Talked to a girl for about 40 minutes on my drive home, talked to another friend for 5 and battery dropped to 35%
[EVO 4G General] Hrshycro:
I've noticed this as well. Days that I've only used my moto car charger, the battery (even the cheap ebay ones) seem to hold the charge better, which I thought was strange, because you would think it would be a worse -maybe equal- change.
[EVO 4G General] oOflyeyesOo:
Charges more slowly and fills up more?
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
That's my theory