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[Droid Incredible General] fatal187:
Im sure ill be back, I really love the inc......I have a 30day grace period, so ill weight it all out
[EVO 4G General] rjmjr69:
Thought is was a Hardware limitation!

http://forum.sdx-developers.com/news/new-ota-out-92210-3-29-651-5/

Software Version: HTC - EVO 4G (A9292) - 3.29.651.5

Release Date: 9/22/2010

Update Method: Available OTA + Retail

Version History:

* Calendar Event Edit Issue

* Multiple Gmail Account Sync

* 30 FPS uncapped

* GPS Reboot

Thanks to Joeykrim for the tip
[EVO 4G General] zikronix:
intresting
[EVO 4G General] jkinnison90:
Hmmm sounds good..
[EVO 4G General] neodorian:
Don't forget "undoes root" as well. I haven't had the cap in a while and while it is good news for the folks who use stock ROMs I won't really gain much. The new Gmail app in the market already adds multiple accounts.
[EVO 4G General] blackroseMD1:
It would be nice if there was some way to download it, so that the Devs could get to work on it. Nice to see the changes, should make for some awesome ROMs when they get ahold of it.
[EVO 4G General] BigRick10:
This would mean ROMS can now have HDMI out at uncapped FPS now right??? From what I remember then you used HDMI itvout cap back down to 30. Am I wrong??
[EVO 4G General] marc.ientilucci:
This is very possible. I actually just got back from my Sprint store because my 4G wont connect, i tried everything, restting my MAC address, new rom's new kernels, stock roms, going back to the original and everything but still couldnt fix it.

while i was there, an HTC rep came in and was talking to the employees and was wondering how the EVO was doing vs the Epic (EVO was selling way more than the epic if anyone wondered - at least at this particular store) He also mentioned that there was going to be an OTA update released on or around the 29th. He said it was going to be a minor update tho, it wouldn't effect battery life much :( but they are also working on an update for the future as well. He said that they are trying to develop software that updates everything at the same time instead of facebook updating, then twitter, and so on. This will help the radio from turning on and off and on and off so that should help. i wonder if the FPS was the update he was talking about for the 29th... we will see!
[EVO 4G General] ms79723:
hm, so would this phone be getting 60fps?
[EVO 4G General] fachadick:
probably not 60, but over 30 anyway. I'm going to guess around 53. Anyone know how long it will take to see how they did it?

Sent from my blah blah blah blah
[EVO 4G General] neodorian:
Not sure about 60fps but the way I understand it, a digital video out like that needs a set refresh rate. If you typically fluctuate between 45-55fps without the cap it wouldn't work over a digital connection like HDMI. Therefore, they capped it at a typical 30fps (which is comparable to the 29.97fps of NTSC television).

I guess the smart thing would have been to use software that automatically regulated the framerate when you output to the HDMI and not for anything else. Trying to scale it on the fly would be too difficult and it would have to be a refresh rate that your display was even capable of. If your phone can't push a steady 60fps then it's not like you could just set it to "variable refresh rate of anywhere from 40-56fps". Think of it like hooking up an LCD monitor to your computer. You need to define the resolution and refresh rate. If your game is playing at 92fps because you have a badass video card but your monitor is set at 1920x1080 at 85Hz, you will not actually "see" 92fps. You will see 85fps because that is how fast your screen refreshes. I guess without vsync you could have it update mid-refresh but then you see tearing.
[EVO 4G General] jaypeezee:
Is it just me or is there no link ?
[EVO 4G General] TorxT3D:
the news link is in the original post, but the actual "download" update apparently comes in the form of an OTA tommorrow.
[EVO 4G General] Lokifish:
Like I said over in the "Evo capping all graphics to 30FPS" thread. Not a single data sheet on any of the hardware had 30fps as it's limit and that HTC would look stupid if they kept saying it was the hardware.

Will we see 1080p/60 (yes, the HDMI transmitter can do that) I doubt it because the GPU is the weak spot in the equation. Now we just need to see how the fps deviations look and if they're cleaner than the custom roms (not hold my breath) then expect a new wave of custom roms to land.
[EVO 4G General] adeyo:
So, will this HTC fix for the fps be any better than our current custom kernel fixes? Also, any chance this might be used on the hdmi out really?? or just fps for videos/games etc.??

btw:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=699290

http://forum.sdx-developers.com/news/new-ota-out-92210-3-29-651-5/
[EVO 4G General] eduardmc:
i believe this will actually be better cause if they brake the cap mean that you will not be stop by it in any way. right now every kernel can do max around 55fps, even when you play simple games like laberinth which is suppost to be 60fps, it will only reach 53-55. Playing in my nexus1 the games is a 60fps rock solid.
[EVO 4G General] Indiana Jones:
Joe Wilson "YOU LIE!"
[EVO 4G General] wase4711:
"yawn"...

anyone running custom roms hasn't dealt with the 30 fps issue in awhile, so, this means nothing to most folks who are rooted and running a custom rom..
[EVO 4G General] Success100:
i think it will, current custom kernels are capped about 53-55, the extra 5-8 fps will still make it a little smoother
[EVO 4G General] wase4711:
i guess if you play lots of games on your phone, you might see a difference..
[EVO 4G General] oRAirwolf:
Well I for one am excited
[EVO 4G General] nukedukem:
I, for one, would love an official fix from HTC. While the current hacks work well, I wonder what the effect of running my screen at insanely high refresh rates will do to it in the long run? Having a phone capable of 60fps at the default refresh rate and removing the screen touch input lag would be ideal.
[EVO 4G General] timkdodson:
What a bunch of ass hats htc looks like after spending all this time telling everyone it is a hardware limitation and now they are going to break it.... Shame on you, htc!
[EVO 4G General] davebu:
$20 says unlocking the fps it was taken from one of the xda kernels, or atleast based off it... hope someone gets a job for that one.
[EVO 4G General] Rydah:
+1
[EVO 4G General] twilk73:
I am excited. Yeah I am already avging 53fps usually but heck if this release is real that most certainly means the HDMI out and FPS will work together and not one or the other.
[EVO 4G General] AssassinsLament:
This is incorrect, hdmi has always worked with the FPS hack, the only reason why we disabled it in a few of the kernels was because 1) HDMI doesn't even work on CM6, so no point in enabling HDMI. 2) We didn't have the source code for the stock kernel and thus couldn't get HDMI to work. Other than that, HDMI definitely works with FPS enabled kernels. Now that we have the source for the 2.2 Kernel, the only reason HDMI shouldn't work is if you're using CM6. Stock 2.2 and 2.1 based roms should have HDMI working. I know, cause I was one of the ones to enable FPS :)
[EVO 4G General] ricsim78:
Their official fix is definitely going to differ from the methods used by the "hackers" as HTC calls them. In reality, the 30 FPS limit is not officially broken by the kernel developer (read, Netarchy and others), it is circumvented by doubling the refresh rate. So the phone is still limited, but the refresh rate makes it appear to be around 52-55 FPS. To our eyes, it is running at that rate but in reality we are shortening the life of our screen, as it is running 2x faster than it was intended to. This is why some ROM makers are advising to avoid using a FPS unlocked kernel. It can and will degrade your screen life, who knows how quickly but it is like running your CPU 2x faster, it is operating twice what it is designed to do. That is, unless HTC is using half of what it is capable of stock? Doubt it!

I am quite sure HTC checked out how it was bypassed, they even admitted to investigating and acknowledging that that the current method is not how HTC would have done it.

Where HTC lies is that it is a hardware limitation, when we all know that is complete BS. Considering a 2 year old Android can run circles around the Evo is graphics performance and the Nexus One, with the same hardware, destroys the Evo in graphic performance with the same graphics chipset and main CPU.

This is great news, I may have to unroot my phone for a while unless one of the awesome kernel makers (King, Hero, or Netarchy) incorporate it into their kernel soon.

In any case, good job HTC, too bad you lied but you are making amends. And people here will take what you make and make it even better :)
[EVO 4G General] AssassinsLament:
This is incorrect also, ffolkes and I are the ones who "hacked" the 30FPS limit on Novatek Panels. Netarchy was the one responsible for the Epson Panels and did a great job. Originally, we were making the novatek panels run twice the frequency, yes. But we were able to find a method to actually slow the frequency down and still break the 30fps cap. Right now, if you have a Novatek panel, most kernels using my "hack" should be running the panel's frequency at about 54 hz, which should be giving you about 53 - 54 fps. So again, we're not speeding up your LCD panel, we're in fact slowing it down from 60hz to 54hz. Just wanted to clear this up.

As for why and how HTC will be doing their FPS uncapp, the honest truth is they were just too lazy to code in a "if the hdmi port isn't in use, allow the fps to be unlimited, and if the hdmi port is in use, cap the fps to 30 so it's compatible with the video output." It was hard for us to fix this in a non "hack" way because it meant we would have to rewrite their video driver code, which we weren't about to do. So I'm sure they actually spent some time to write better code this time because of all the complaints.
[EVO 4G General] netarchy:
It's also worth pointing out that I have _never_ pushed the epson panels past a 60hz refresh (or under 60hz for that matter).

It was a very important requirement we had in fixing the fps issue on both panels in a publicly releasable way that they not be pushed beyond their spec, as there would be no point to risking damage to everyones phones for the sake of a few fps.
[EVO 4G General] Sporkman:
hmmmmmm hmmmmm
[EVO 4G General] SPENONE:
This is awesome if its 60FPS. If not i'll just stick with the netarchy kernal. **** is just too official. :cool:
[EVO 4G General] th3_g00b:
So any devs working on this already? :D as for the people asking if it'll hit a solid 60 fps, even if its just shy of it, i'm sure the devs will give it a small nudge :P
[EVO 4G General] jerryparid:
Real unlock deep in the radio drivers vs LCD frequency hack....

I'll take the real unlock.
[EVO 4G General] TorxT3D:
once again another performance incentive at the risk of losing root. (for those not hip to the rooting scene)

am i the only one seeing how htc has been playing their cards right?? theyre eyeballing the "root scene" and releasing new updates when they think its a good time that no more exploits are left.

to me it seems like theyve held out on this fix on purpose. does anyone else feel this way or understand what im trying to convey?
[EVO 4G General] nhutpham:
Glad to see HTC implementing this, does anyone know if it will have any impact on video recording?
[EVO 4G General] regulator207:
probably not. it's likely that they just finished the fix due to pressure from the customers and sprint. it's not hard to keep root. just wait for the OTA to be downloaded and one of the devs root it.
[EVO 4G General] jerryparid:
Or wait for HTC to release source and cook up a custom kernel with BFS/Havs.
[EVO 4G General] Hrshycro:
I've actually kind of observed the same thing in the back of the brain, but I think they're just trying to string the updates out 1 a month for the next 3/6 months. All 3 of my friends with evos fell for the 2.2 OTA update when I told them not to do any updates, especially when they want the android wifi tether to work.
[EVO 4G General] wase4711:
these kinds of updates are really directed at people who do not want to root, or those that are "thinking" about it..

I bet 99% of those who have rooted would NEVER consider going back to this stuff, and will just wait for it to be incorporated in their favorite ROMS. or, like me, just not give a damn, because they love their current, rooted setup..
[EVO 4G General] Beejis:
All you folks calling out HTC need to remember that at least they did (will) uncap it. Believe me, if Mortorola or Samsung had the same issue then we would not even get feedback probably. HTC is not perfect by all means, but they are better than the above mentioned...
[EVO 4G General] Plancy:
There is no proof at all that this will happen, just one guy saying he heard it from a source.. Everywhere else is just posting/blogging about it, like it's official.
[EVO 4G General] eduardmc:
Is this already confirmed to be real? or anyone could make a fake release note and posted that is coming from htc. I believe this uncapping when is actually release.
[EVO 4G General] dmystic1:
Change log is posted on sprint's site http://support.sprint.com/support/a...e-wh164052-20100527-115429?&INTNAV=SU:DP:HDIA no mention of cap though.
[EVO 4G General] Plancy:
Maybe HTC doesn't want to look like liars?
[EVO 4G General] wase4711:
I just think the vast majority of mainstream evo users don't know or care about 30fps, so they dont feel the need to mention it specifically..

only a small percentage of evo owners are as fanatical about their phones as the folks on these boards are...
[EVO 4G General] mchlwvr614:
Nice find!
[EVO 4G General] hdad2:
Everything on this list was also in the original sdx post. Interesting. So did HTC or sprint not want to make a big deal about the cap or is it not actually fixed and we've all been had?? Hmmm
[EVO 4G General] cosine83:
As someone who's been on SDX for a while, I can say that I trust jerdog's info. He's a higher level radio and network tech. He's dropped knowledge like this before for the Moment and was dead on, including scans of internal documents. I'd trust him.
[EVO 4G General] phobos512:
Well it'll be easy enough to verify once the update is made available.
[EVO 4G General] jerryparid:
...30 fps cap technically doesn't exist/matter because 90% of the users are not rooted, and 98% of all users don't care.
[EVO 4G General] twilk73:
You guys keep saying its not a hardware issue but couldnt the hardware he is refrencing here be the HDMI out? I mean thats hardware on the phone and if thats the reason its capped at 30fps then thats a hardware issue.

Also I dont know to many people that keep a phone for more then 2 years, especialy the people on these forums. The FPS unlock causing our screens to double their refresh rate and thus half life our screens, is in my opinion not something to worry about. I mean these phones are designed to last years not months.

Personaly I think HTC had an oh **** moment when they relized there HDMI out was going to have to have a capped screen. Then after thinking for a few moments they went oh thats fast enough and only 5% of the users will even know anyway so who cares. Its HDMI out thats freaking sweet and know other phone has that. Lets just do it and we will just email the 5% complaining lol and tell them we cant fix it no big deal lol.
[EVO 4G General] ricsim78:
First off Assassin I did not mean to call you (or anyone else) a hacker, just I grin every time HTC refers to you guys as such. I call you guys miracle workers! That is really awesome that you managed to get the screen refresh rate to slow down, yet sustain 52-55 FPS. Funny how you can do what they cannot, and they get big bucks and have all of the reference materials handy. I was unaware that the method to fix the FPS cap was changed, I have only had a rooted Evo for about a month or so now. I think Kevin Smith had mentioned how the FPS was overcome. Funny how the HDMI still works and we are still getting 52-55 FPS.

Yeah, you see that happen a lot. A company makes great products (potential with the custom ROMS and kernels are simply amazing for the Evo!) but they make such stupid decisions. They cry about the developers "hacking" their stuff to make it better, but you would not need to if they made it right the first time. I honestly would have waited on this phone had I learned that the graphics ability was intentionally hampered. Like you said, lazy programming and how many people actually use the HDMI? Maybe a handful but the average user no. Plus, if not using the HDMI, why hamper it all the time? Most likely lazy or rushed programming to start making money off the device.

Thank you for clarifying some things for me Assassin. I appreciate you and everyone elses work and I am glad to be part of this awesome community and I hope to contribute when I learn more about the system.

@ Netarchy: You do amazing work and I appreciate you and everyone else who has helped to make my amazing phone even better. I did not think you guys did this to ruin our phones and didn't truly believe that it was only the refresh rate was what was changed. FPS2SD would not be saying 53 FPS for me if only the refresh rate. I did read from multiple sources that that is what you guys did to overcome it (apparently it was true at first). But I how the stuff works, I thought how you did it was kind of like turning Vsync off. However you did it, HTC has the materials they need and a whole well paid team to come out with a more "company friendly" fix and using the same method would essentially make them "hackers" like they call all of you.

To us you are all angels, to HTC you are all devils and embarrassing them by taking their product (unpaid) and turning it into a much better product. We love you, they hate you but I am sure appreciate what you are capable of doing.

You are about making our phones better and not ruining them, if I felt otherwise or that the "juice wasn't worth the squeeze" your material would not be on my phone. As it stands, it has been since I rooted. Thank you for all of your work and you are amazing at what you do.
[EVO 4G General] ricsim78:
While I am sure the HDMI is the "hardware limitation", the custom kernels manage to use it just fine even while being uncapped. Even so, as Assassinslament said, there is no need to cap it unless the HDMI is being used. I think that is correct, they thought no one would notice or care since the phone is so feature rich. I am sorry, a 2 year old Android phone with not even as good of a main CPU or graphics chip has no business running rings around our Evo's with a stock kernel! The Nexus One, with basically the same guts, also trumps the Evo despite having nearly identical chips.

I bet they figured something along the lines of what you said, but people are also complaining to Sprint (along with HTC) who I am sure has brought that to their attention and I am sure quite a few people returned the Evo once they heard about it, losing money for both HTC and Sprint. Financially, it is a very smart move for HTC to clean up their mess and fix what should have never been broken to begin with.
[EVO 4G General] eduardmc:
is 22nd where is the updateeeeee
[EVO 4G General] TorxT3D:
thats a nice little jump from 3.26 to 3.29
[EVO 4G General] :
http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/22/sprint-outs-evo-4g-and-hero-updates-evo-framerate-cap-might-be/

engadget has semi-confirmation
[EVO 4G General] mbaseball3:
So ummm......where's this update.....

Sent from my Evo
[EVO 4G General] tgruendler:
Call Sprint and ask them.
[EVO 4G General] engagedtosmile:
What if this fix makes it run at 60fps, then the kernals will make it run at 85! MUAHAHA.

jk

But really this is nice to have a true fix. I am also tempted to break root for this....nah, thats a lie.
[EVO 4G General] donatom3:
Unrevoked confirmed that the update got one of their evo's running at 53fps.

Also you can't really go above 60fps cuz the screen runs at 60hz anything about 60 fps WILL cause screen tearing.
[EVO 4G General] Adonis4g:
update

question. I'm a newb. I just rooted my evo with unrevoked, havent downloaded any other custom roms so I guess I'm rooted with a stock rom. Anyway, if i get the OTA will this unroot my phone, and if so will I be able to re-root the same way?
[EVO 4G General] Sporkman:
http://www.androidcentral.com/sprint-hero-also-getting-updated-evo-4g-3fps-cap-removal-confirmed
[EVO 4G General] eduardmc:
If they god one of their evo running at 53ps then they are stealing netarchy kenerls codes. The easies way to find out is running fps2d which my nexus 1 does 60fps, or the games labirynth which also does 60fps all the time. if is onlyl 53fps they did not remove the cap, they just raise the cap to 53fps.
[EVO 4G General] Maximiano:
Root with CM6 or 4G?

I am rooted with CM6 and love it. Haven't had to worry about the fps "issue" for a while now. They have just activated 4G in San Francisco and it is right where I work and live. I am able to see where 4G is up using Map Viewer. Should I do the update and lose root for 4G? Is it worth it?

Advice?
[EVO 4G General] donatom3:
Have patience wait a few hours after the update is released and there will be a rooted stock rom. Oh yeah and nandroid so you can switch between roms in case you can't stand sense.
[EVO 4G General] PlankLongBeard:
Can anyone take a video and put it on the tube. We really need to see this. The video, the white balance, everything. I guess we should thank netarchy, we totally forgot about this. I guess what im saying is if we can see if theres a difference.

Oh, im on the epic, hence why i ask. Thanks.

Sent From The Moon... :-)
[EVO 4G General] Maximiano:
Thanks, I will wait. Not a fan of sense- hence why I love CM6. I am just feenin for some 4G.
[EVO 4G General] edtate:
I find it very interesting that the fps is only 53 as compared to a fully unlocked 60 that would be assumed to come if there were a true "fix". Seems htc lurks these forums a little more than we thought.....................

p.s- I'd like to see exactly how they implemented the fix; if it's the dirty hack then I'm never buying a htc phone again just for moral reasons....
[EVO 4G General] MSmith1:
Flash a senseless sense rom like vaelpak.
[EVO 4G General] toastcfh:
Yeah if they fixed it the way we did. I would be happy but also disappointed in HTC. I would hope with all the money they burn on development. That they could code a better(?)/less hackish(?) way then we went about it. But in the end if they use the fixes that were developed by us (the enthusiast). Then that's what android , linux and we are all about. Just wish they would be a little more open with us :p. Anyhow yeah to see what they did will be exciting for sure
[EVO 4G General] sz99:
I received notification of the OTA and downloaded and installed it about 10 minutes ago. I then ran Neocore and sadly still get 28.4fps. As far as I can see this OTA did not remove the 30fps cap. I am running stock Froyo.
[EVO 4G General] tgruendler:
I saw that also but it is uncapped using fps2d and I am seeing a HUGE improvement in my evo when switching screens and scrolling, it is alot smoother.
[EVO 4G General] RTC88:
The neocore scores don't necessarily mean that the fps isn't unlocked because if you look at the stock nexus one scores, they are usually below 30 fps. Look it up. I think graphically this is what the adreno gpu is currently capable of doing.
[EVO 4G General] JMQUINT00:
52 fps

Did the update ran fps2d got 52 fps average
[EVO 4G General] sz99:
Thank you for the info. I just installed fps2d and tested it. It is running at 53fps.
[EVO 4G General] MJStephens:
I used a stock rooted ROM with stock kernel and got about 53fps with 8-11 StandardDev. What I did notice is that my quadrant score was 1350-1400 which is as high or higher than I was getting with an OC kernel.