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[Epic 4G General] bitbang3r:
As I understand it, subsequent legislation has diminished the influence of Carterfone on Sprint and T-Mobile, but not necessarily AT&T and Verizon. Remember, AT&T and Verizon both have their roots in the ashes of the original Bell monopoly, and are still subject to its original consent decree (if only as a condition for approval of a subsequent merger). I'm pretty sure that's why Verizon will (grudgingly) let you try and use any unlocked CDMA phone, even though they won't give you any help if you do. It's just a shame that the FCC couldn't have forced Sprint to implement R-UIM (now USIM with CSIM) cards as a condition of allowing its merger with Nextel to go through.

It would truly be a cold day in hell before I bought a Motorola phone with a locked bootloader, but I *do* think the overall Sprint phone ecosystem would be healthier (though possibly $25-50 more expensive at the high end of the Android spectrum) if Sprint users were able to use any technically-compatible phone they wanted to use, and the Evo & Epic had more viable alternatives than just each other.

I do think that the exclusivity deals that pervade American cellular are bad for everyone, including the carriers. They're bad for carriers, because it dumps a huge amount of risk onto them because THEY'RE the ones who have to commit to buying millions of phones up front (and bear the risk that any of them might end up having some horrible fatal flaw).

They're bad for consumers (though possibly a bit cheaper) because they force every phone towards bland mass-market appeal and make it impossible for consumers who don't neatly fall into the majority's tastes to buy a phone that's better-tailored to them. As long as every phone usable on Sprint has to appeal to "everyone", we're never going to see a high-end Android phone that "goes both ways" and has a gamepad slide out one way, and a hard phone keypad slide out the other (just to name one form factor that would be popular, but never "50% of users would prefer and buy it" popular).
[Epic 4G General] churro7:
when is it ok to get paid for not doing your job?
[Epic 4G General] Doppler808:
I don't think so. If people only bought devices with what they want it would increase technology. Think about it. If 10,000,000 people held out because of a features then companies would add those features. If 1,000,000 people bought the device without the feature why bother putting the feature in? It would for ANY product. Consumers have given up a lot of power over the past 40 years.
[Epic 4G General] J3ff:
We're not comparing apples to apples here.

This is a FLAGSHIP DEVICE. TOP OF THE TOP.

I'm willing to bet that you're comparisons are NOT the most expensive and TOP OF THE LINE equipment for whatever brand you're talking about.

The reason why is because I usually go Middle top with ALL of the things you're talking about and I NEVER have problems with them.
[Epic 4G General] aero1:
"Use wireless networks" has no affect on Epics aGPS. It enables a second system, that uses no satellites. That system is somewhat to wildly less accurate, but has the advantage of working better indoors, or as with Epic, on devices that have buggy GPS.

The working solution for the principle GPS problem is to go into the *#1772365# menu and change start mode form warm to cold start. This helps with the main bug, whcih is the Epic not clearing its assistance data cache when the information in that cache is old and invalid.

In terms of your other complaints on 3G upload speed, yes it is amazing Sprint did not see this, and it does open the possibility (but not certainty) that it was intentional. There are also strange packet filtering going on. I cannot download some material with the epic that I was able to with the Evo. my bet is incompetence, but I would call it gross incompetence since testing 3G speed must be a primary test. In terms of testing GPS, since the main problem is a transient, I would be more forgiving on any, if the Galaxy line did not already have GPS problems. Given Galaxies GPS problems would have expected Sprint to be more stringent in their GPS tests.
[Epic 4G General] aero1:
Respectfully it is not.

1) your phone has a real cost to you of $500 since you could sell it nib for that. Discounted prices which are discounted due you plowing your real cost into a service contract commitment, or if someone gave it to you as a gift do not mean it isn't a $500 consumer cost device. it is.

2) I do not recall phones being actively promoted by makers and carriers for the location based appreciations four years ago -- smart devices like Epic are, and extensively, today flogged by sellers for those application. Those applications, from navigation to the ever increasing set of LBAs, depend on robust, or at the very least up to current competitive standards location provision by the device system (its hardware and firmware.
[Epic 4G General] J3ff:
just sayin..... I STILL as Nov. 5th could not hand this phone to my mother or father and be confident that it would work when it needed to.
[Epic 4G General] GrdLock:
Shoulda listened to me and traded it for the EVO. :rolleyes:
[Epic 4G General] mikeschevelle:
Welcome to life in a society where Instant Gratification spreads like a virus.........nothing is ever good enough and companies are always stretching manufacturing and technology past limits that should be tested....
[Epic 4G General] churro7:
lol the evo was with its bugs too for about 2 or 3 months so now its matured but it wasnt perfect
[Epic 4G General] selytch:
I own Epic 4G. Primarily because I'm on sprint sero. Otherwise I would be an iPhone owner. Cydia gives you all the openness you need.

This whole discussion reminds me of zuneboard, where zuneboys tried to trash iPod. Zune OLED rocks, it has tegra, zunepass, etc... Zune is dead, if anybody does not know.

Same here. SuperAMOLED is nice, but no battery life gain and small text is hard to read (even compared to TP2, not even IP4). 4G speed are not really what they should be - I tried both LA and Hawaii, 2M/400K is the most I got. And you all know about battery life with 4G on. The only really good thing is launcher pro and text clock.

Apple does get important things right. Maybe on a second or third try. Ease and speed of use, design, battery life. MS never did, in 10 years of PPC misery.

I'm praying (though I'm an atheist) google will get things rightc, making sure manufactures deliver the best experience possible!
[Epic 4G General] fromchaos0646:
op, I completely agree with you.

I got the epic because it looked and was badass. got it and loved it. then I noticed issues. the main thing that's made me so mad is the battery and the lack of updates (primarily 2.2 froyo). Unlike most here, I actually have to stick to the 2 year plan and cannot cancel it due to tight finances. And I'm doubting this phone will last 2 years. Although, samsung had it right when they designed this device, I just think they kinda half assed the rest.

Sent through the Matrix
[Epic 4G General] sauron0101:
It seems that these days, all manufacturers do this. Consumers have way too little power. Furthermore, the quality of products seems to have degraded. It has become acceptable to launch flagship products that have plenty of known issues. "Planned obsolence" has become the status quo.
[Epic 4G General] Quis89:
People are idiots....since when is technology without flaw?? To say something should have zero issues is moronic and completely unreasonable. Jesus christ people.
[Epic 4G General] fromchaos0646:
I'm sorry. I should clarify what I said/meant.

I love my epic. Its by far the best phone and/or piece of technology I've ever owned. Now, I completey understand there are flaws. But, there are flaws that should not be present. These include battery issues and lack of updates (primarly 2.2 froyo). Through rooting and experimenting with different rom/kernel combos, I've managed to improve battery life. And about 2.2, well we just have to be patient. I think these issues (seeing as though they are important to making the phone what its supposed to be) should have been adressed before shipment.

Sent through the Matrix
[Epic 4G General] acegolfer:
Please do us and your parents a favor. Get an Iphone. It works best out of box for average consumers.

I fail to see how your posts contribute to the epic community.
[Epic 4G General] arabdrifter:
To the OP +1 to ya...I 100% agree. In sept I went ahead and bought the 2nd batch of EVO(not when it 1st came out) I had the EVO all for 2days with non-stop texting, app-browsing, updating/tweaking, web browsing-monitoring upload/download speeds..wasn't too bad, but could of been better. The one thing I wish it had, is a slide out keyboard. The day I returned the evo, epic comes out..lol

I did my research for a month on the epic instead of rushing into another expensive smartphone. Now remind you I was to be newely converted to android from having my many frustrations with WinMo(mogul, tp1,tp2). Anyway month passes by and the next thing I walk out of best buy with my new epic and $265.00 less in my pocket..lol

1st impressions were very impressive. Very fast out of the box, very stable, no soft rests needed. Going on factory charge I navigate FB, CL, ppc geeks, xda, some web browsing, lil game playing, downloaded apps, live wall papers, fair amount of texting and few phone calls(5hrs+ of heavy use)and there was still 25% of batt left..ftw! The gps didn't get to techy, but it deff did its job.

But just recently I've been noticing a considerable lack of download/uploading..which makes the 150k cap sense-able. Last night was the 1st time since I bought the epic that I needed to do a soft reset. Again not a big deal becaue this thing powers up uber fast..just hope this isn't a sign of dumb bs to come. Id give the phone an 8.5/10 for little nitty things and for the browser being a pain with sd card or anything with sd card for that matter. I loved how my tp2 had an amazing keyboard, opera, and easy usage/modding the sd card. Lastly I think with the new update/root..hands down this thing will own all....:-)
[Epic 4G General] J3ff:
I am a tech guy -I dream technology.

To all the haters:

- Today is a perfect example of how horrible this phone is.

I woke up at 6, took the phone off the charger at 7.

I ACTUALLY HAD TO USE THE PHONE today. 36 min total talk time between 7am and 1pm (right now).

2 texts, 1 voice mail.

I browsed emails while I was at lunch (about 30 mins total).

Now as I sit here, my battery level is "plug in charger"

That my friends is PATHETIC.

it's a 100 % stock Epic.

I don't know how people can defend this garbage.
[Epic 4G General] gTen:
Because not everyone is having the same issues you are? maybe there is something that is effecting your phone like towers, some setting, your battery(I heard there are 2 different batteries...maybe there is a performance difference between the two) or etc..but so far I've been getting decent battery life.
[Epic 4G General] J3ff:
It's odd, because I sit at the same desk most days. THere are some days that the battery lasts 16 hours. Of course on those days I don't even touch the phone...

So while that's awesome, what good is a phone that you can't actually use?

As it is I have someone coming to fix something at the house who is going to call me in advance. I left the house thinking I'd have plenty of battery all day - here we are at 115 and I'm hoping it lasts till 5 because I REALLY don't want to miss his call. And I don't have a MICRO usb cable on me. Of course I have 100 mini usb cables.....just another annoying thing about this phone.
[Epic 4G General] imwillzillla:
expecting flaws are one thing. There are certian things that should be expected to work. Have there not been enough cell phones released in history for "technology" to not make a phone that can't make calls unless you hold it a ridiculous way or have to have an accessory?

Is it really too much to ask of the imperfect "technology" to expect a phone that you've paid half a grand for to come with a charger that actually connects it from the phone to the computer?

Is it really, REALLY, idiotic to want a phone touted as the best phone in the world to have access to it's number one promoted point. (4g is what i'm talking about)

Having zero issues is one thing, but putting out stuff that doesn't have the basic essencials is qually idiotic and irresponsible. I have a car for sale. It's a 2011 Lexus but it doesn't have tires. Buy it, be happy, and blame it on technology k?
[Epic 4G General] MikeyLee:
There are no EVO's because HTC apparently has problems getting screens from Samsung. This is what I was told, but then again the guy at the store who told me this also told me the EPIC shipped with 2.2 and also that it did not have a front facing camera LOL

Now what I wanna know is how in the hell to fix this issue. It's annoying enough to make me want to go throw my phone through a Sprint store window. Anyone have any ideas?

com.android.mms has stopped

com.handcent.nextsms has stopped

com.android.phone has stopped

Radio resets, wallpaper resets
[Epic 4G General] J3ff:
Is it really really that idiotic to want to buy a phone.

Take it out of the box.

Turn it on.

And use it all day without the battery dying on you after talking on it for 30 mins and checking some emails? (I mean hell, if I want to play some music it should be able to handle that too right? Or wait is that too much for the #1 rated phone..)

With the #1 rated phone I don't understand why I should have to kill even ONE process on a stock phone. Or toggle airplane mode...
[Epic 4G General] J3ff:
So at 1:10ish my phone started saying "plug in"

Luckily the guy called me - we had a 3 min convo and it's now 1:46 and the battery is blinking.

Screen turned down to lowest setting. Hope I dont need a cell phone for the rest of the day.

I did just call and see if I could swap out batteries - I was denied. Twice.

sigh!

Edit: 211 - and it's dead. Love the fact that I paid so much for a phone that can hardly handle any talking on it. which dies in less then 8 hours.
[Epic 4G General] gTen:
Well on that topic phones are promoted to have 3g.but not EVERY place in USA has 3g.same thing if you want a car reference..well cars are promoted to be bale to go over 100 miles an hour....yet your never allowed to go that high cause its against the law...and speed limits vary by location...does your car dealer need to tell you this? no..its a given...

How is your email setup? to manually get data or pull or push? also do you have any apps that use the net?

and lastly..so you know CDMA will never have the energy efficiency of GSM..just by being CMDA you already are at a disadvantage in terms of battery life.

As for battery..just buy a new one and test it..if it dont work return it..if it works then swap it with yours and return it lol (assuming you buy from sprint)
[Epic 4G General] zelendel:
Ok guys I have let this thread go and even reopened it with the understanding that this will not become a flame war and I come back after a weekend to see it starting up again. I understand what is being said and why but if the personal attacks dont stop I will reclose this thread for good this time. LAST WARNING
[Epic 4G General] J3ff:
My phone is set up to an exchange server and it's set to push (meaning I get emails as soon as they show up)...

I would expect nothing less from a phone like this.

My touch pro 2 lasted all day with push email on and it's one of the main reasons I have a smart phone (so if I need to I can be mobile and still getting my emails)..
[Epic 4G General] flyers2114:
Bro you def have something else wrong.....the ONLY time I get 8 hours from my phone is when I stream music for like 5 hours at work....otherwise I average 16-20 hours.....now I am flashed and a different kernel.....but when I ran stock the numbers were almost exactly the same....the first day I got the phone I took it to work the next day and streamed music for 6 hours and the batt lasted 9 total....that is amazing life to me....TP2 didnt t last that long when I streamed.....tops 6 hours....
[Epic 4G General] usfslacker:
Are we still having this conversation? Seriously? This started 2 weeks before I upgraded to my Epic and almost had me get an evo instead. And now, more than a month after getting my phone, it continues. Seriously, every single one of your problems is either ludicrously exaggerated or very, VERY clearly a result of a defective unit.

I've owned 3 of these phones since october 1st. The first had a bad capacitative button and I destroyed the second one in a tragic accident. Each one of these phones reliably got me at least 24 hours with about 3 hours screen on time and somewhere between half an hour to an hour of talk time. The only tweak I've done at all was the airplane toggle, I leave gps on all day, I don't kill drm and my email account is on push setting. Go take your phone back if it is not getting similar performance.

Also, I'm sorry, but quit your freaking whining about "we shouldn't have to do the airplane toggle" crap. Just by the nature of being on this website, an entire community of software do it yourself-ers, you're not allowed to whine about quickly double tapping the airplane mode button on a widget each time you turn on the phone, which you shouldn't be doing all that much. Also, your phone gets 6 hours of battery life; why the hell don't you have your micro SD cord on you? Every bit of your whining is a mix of negligence and defective hardware.

Sent from my Epic 4G via the XDA App!
[Epic 4G General] gTen:
What exactly are you using for Push services? IMAP IDLE or Direct Push?

Winmo I know supports Direct Push but I don't know if Android default client does...Direct Push saves a lot more energy as it doesn't utilize 3g like IMAP IDLE does..
[Epic 4G General] Bigjim1488:
Wow not happy to see this thread back from the dead!

Sent from my time burning device!
[Epic 4G General] Zardos66:
I love my Epic. Haters gonna hate.

Sent from my bathroom, with toilet paper.
[Epic 4G General] J3ff:
Well here we go...

Battery went dead yesterday like I said it did.

Plugged it in at 5pm, left it on the charger till 7amish.

I have not changed one thing on it at ALL!!

Yet here I sit, with a 95% full battery bar....

I used it for about the same time as far as voice calls go. all on 3g, no wifi.

I just don't get this phone.

As soon as a 2.2 rom is out, i'm heading that way!
[Epic 4G General] houkah:
You know you might have a rogue process or app. Have you tried installing watchdog? It'll tell you when an app or process is eating up lots of memory/cpu or misbehaving in general.
[Epic 4G General] deano0714:
Ok how bout you stop complaining about this phone and geta new one all I see is you around the forum talking about how bad the phone is, if you don't like it get the evo and leave the epic forums I'm tiered of seeing you complain about the phone you bought and you had a choise to trade with a different phone within thirty days so STOP COMPLAINING!!!!!!

sent from the epic
[Epic 4G General] imwillzillla:
I must say I am going to take this advice. I'm going to focus on the positive things this badboy has to offer and it's a fact there is alot to be happy about. I would be annoyed by one who always complains as well, but this is basically the thread for complaining.

But yeah I do love my Epic and it's time to stop parading like I hate the thing lol
[Epic 4G General] J3ff:
If no-one brought up issues with a phone, especially a number one rated phone......then buying technology related items would be worse than it already is!

:)
[Epic 4G General] houkah:
I find it strange that on different days with the exact same usage you see drastically different battery life. So i'm leaning towards the problem being w/ a process that's taxing the CPU unnaturally on those days you have ****ty battery life. That's the only explanation i can think of for such extreme differences.
[Epic 4G General] J3ff:
BUMMMMPPPP!

Oh wow, we're still waiting for 2.2, the gps still doesn't work on a stock phone........

just sayin.

Samsung John you've got some 'splanin to do
[Epic 4G General] the_scotsman:
There's another thread on this, dont bump old ones.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jimmys20:
Hello everyone!! My name is Dimitris and I am 15 years old. I'm new to this forum and also new to the android world. I spend a lot of time on mobile phones. I had a Nokia N82 and I learnt almost everything about symbian os. But now it's old and I decided to go for a new phone. After long research i decided to buy the samsung galaxy s. i'm pretty happy with it so far. but i need some help to learn more about the android os. and by that i mean the hacks and mods that exist. 1st of all i want to put froyo on it. can someone help me root my phone and then flash it with the best froyo rom so far? I know that this must have been already asked. but couldn't find anything... also i'm gonna make more questions in this thread. any answer will be appreciated :)
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mvenneker:
i suggest u look further in the rom section because there are enough tutorials on how to root your phone and how to flash a custom rom on it :)

search and u will find.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] android.francis:
My two cents: wait for the official froyo update. The froyo versions out there are still quite raw.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AllGamer:
yup it is so raw, that will make the phone work like a piece of junk, you are better off with the stable ROMs that are currently avaialble
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] andrewluecke:
A lot of froyo stuff seems to have been backported by Samsung anyway (such as Highmem support it seems). You need to ask yourself why you need froyo specifically. It's due so soon though, it probably isn't worth the effort
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jimmys20:
Thank you for your replies. First of all I want to improve my phones batery life because I currently sucks. Also I want the voice to text thing that other phones that you say something and it turns it to text. Also I want a button at the samsungs keyboard to change between english and greek language fast like on the iphone. Finally I would like to know if there are any cool apps or widgets that I should install mostly for social networking.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ickyboo:
yes, STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM FROYO BETAS!!! It will most likely break your phone!. Wait for OFFICIAL release next week
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AdamDowning:
FROYO BETA's won't break your phone. PM me if you need further help.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] andrewluecke:
It's trashed some people's IMEI's. So if your phone is more than a toy, you are still best off only using the official firmware
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AdamDowning:
Meh, I don't see why it could trash your IMEI if you follow instructions carefully. And backup your nv_data.bin as I do. And ofc, your phone is unlocked!
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] andrewluecke:
The problem is, if you don't, your phone will be permanently messed up. It isn't worth it, unless you are using your phone as a toy.

You certainly can't say it wont break your phone, unlike normal flashing, there is risk involved...
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] android.francis:
Just wait for the official froyo release. Are you so much in a rush for froyo to put your phone to some risk? A week or two and froyo will be out. Migh as well wait.