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[Droid 2 General] Dexter_nlb:
i adapted somehow htc sense to our Milestone (Droid 1 EU edition) , it works, but lacks speed due to the limited 256MB RAM available, secondly no-one has written a driver that emulated the bcm4329 hardware, so making bluetooth working ok is another major "not working".. even on older htc phones they had problems.

anyways i can say its possible is i did the reverse and put MotoBlur on Milestone, it works but somehow also lacks 512MB RAM here too.

to end this quick note,

HTC sense is not just an addition to the framework, its a different releas of the framework, every vendor does this, so like EU motorola did many updates on the milestone, but only first found now in droidx,droid2...

and porting it is not so simple, but i would think its possible, but i guess its too early for droid2 to have anything running as no real recovery exists, which loads before any os.

the one you got has a live /system when you open recovery, which means you can easily mess up your phone when you start modding to use sense, and pretty much make it unbootable, so a new sbf needs installed, which again means alot of testing before you actually get it working, and then backup? another problem to work with when you make small changes..

its not easy task without a real unlocked boot or a good recovery solution..
[Droid 2 General] ljbaumer:
ok so technically what would I have to do to put sense on the droid 2?
[Droid 2 General] Angdroid:
It will never work 100% of even close enough to have the phone fully functional. People have been trying since the Original Droid. It's also tied into the RIL of phone.
[Droid 2 General] toberino:
Out of the blue question

What about just theming the home screen menubars to get the sense menubars only? Is that possible?
[Droid 2 General] corydunbar:
that should be possible, as a few themes available right now have already altered those files with success. Now you just have to grab a Sense based ROM form a Droid 1 and start copying and modding image files mostly i think. to make a deodexed hybrid of Sense and MotoBlur.
[Droid 2 General] tbaker077:
Is is possible to just to have the speed-dialer/contact app working the D2(that is the only real thing I will miss if I go with the D2)?
[Droid 2 General] Mackattack:
I'd move to the D2 right away if you can get the HTC keyboard mixed with the multitouch keyboard of the D2, and then add contact app(and all that comes with it), and music app. That all I really like out of my Eris.
[Droid 2 General] Mackattack:
If the D1 was able to get a sense port(from what i have seen) how come we cant get it on the D2?
[Droid 2 General] lukester78:
the original Droid ran stock android, but the droid 2 has a custom framework (MotoBlur) and a locked bootloader.
[Droid 2 General] Mackattack:
Makes logical sens thanks
[EVO 4G General] shortbus182:
Dan Hesse said today sprint could rethink it's unlimited data plan if usage gets crazy.http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/22/sprint-ceo-hints-unlimited-data-could-end-if-usage-gets-crazy/
[EVO 4G General] DoctorComrade:
Wouldn't you?

Edit: I barely hit 1gig a month. About 50% of the time when I am actually on my phone, I am at home and using the WiFi.
[EVO 4G General] MSmith1:
If sprint messes with my contract, its an automatic bye bye without an ETF.
[EVO 4G General] v_lestat:
ya know i like to think i use my phone alot... and i dont evrn hit a gig and a half or never ever more than 2gig.

i cant even imagine someone using 3 4 5 or mote gigs unless all you did was download roms all day or stream a **** ton of youtube.

frankly sprints network isnt good enough most places to even allow that much usage.

and why oh why people dont use the fracking wifi at home if they have wifi is beyond me.

my wife just cant get it thru her head to turn the f'ing wifi on when she gets home.

they had better remove the $10 fee off our bills if they ever do it. i too will drop them like a bad habit.. and go back to att in a heartbeat with a iphone 3gs
[EVO 4G General] Sporkman:
this ! as much as i would hate to i would with out thinking about it i needz my data lol
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Reminds me of the fools who download huge torrents just to see a high data count.

Anyway, it's still a possibility that we will be grand fathered into unlimited plans and new users will be subjected to data caps.
[EVO 4G General] shortbus182:
Metro is cdma correct? $40 unlimited is sounding better and better.
[EVO 4G General] epphllps:
Just to end up somewhere with limited data anyways right? haha

In all honesty, I have no respect for the people burning through data for the hell of it and getting on various forums and bragging like it is a cool thing. Not to point any fingers but there was someone bragging about 44gb recently on other forums and that burns me up. I have no high speed where I live and 3g data is as close as it comes. If we get data limits due to people just working the system it hurts everyone like me that have dial up access only. Seriously people, if u are burning that much data for the hell of it, STOP please. You have already gained their attention enough!! Sorry for ranting bc I know it will fall on deaf ears only and it will surely be my fault for living in a place with only dial up (which someone actually said before).

Sent from my EVO, the true iPhone killer!
[EVO 4G General] Plancy:
They should have focused on perfecting 3g before releasing 4g, my speeds are unbelievably slow. Some people must abuse their data, like using it at home when they could connect wi-fi.
[EVO 4G General] DoctorComrade:
My 3G speeds are just fine. I just want 4G in my area already.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
$40 for unlimited crap? Sounds like a good deal.
[EVO 4G General] MSmith1:
Yup to end up somewhere with limited data. One of the main draws for me to sprint was the unlimitted data. If sprint messes with my contract and takes that away, there is no reason to stay with them anymore is there?
[EVO 4G General] willy900wonka:
It's plausible that data usage could go crazy. What a great excuse, since the competition has announced. No price fixing. ..
[EVO 4G General] Last-Chance:
pretty sure it was directed to 3g. 4g is provided by clear, and clear is a different company than sprint. Unless clear announces that it will do limited wimax, then it wont happen on sprint either (clear would never do this either since they provide homes and computers with wimax, and that would be retarded).

In about 5-6 months, no one will even care if 3g is limited. Sprint/clear will have a ****load of towers up to cover like 70% of usa, if not more.
[EVO 4G General] imwillzillla:
If they restructure the contracts so if I did want to use my phone as a continuous modem I could then whatever. I remember my internet was shut off for a month and I used this as a modem for the whole month (general web browsing but some downloads of MP3s) and I was paranoid the entire time.

If they ease my anxiety then i'm all for it.
[EVO 4G General] backdown:
If they do change it we wouldn't see any difference.

sent from your stolen evo
[EVO 4G General] Hrshycro:
Damn it. I better stop torrenting porn using my evo as a hotspot. Jk. :D

I saw this today, which is sad that we might loose it someday, but it makes sense, too. It's all S/D+$ related.

I actually only use 1.8 GB/mo. And I use the hotspot and my phone all the time...maybe att was onto something when they said that the majority if people don't use over 2/mo.
[EVO 4G General] epphllps:
With the amount of money people pour into mobile services, we shouldn't ever have to worry about data caps. Sadly, I think we will always have to because that is a way for them to make bank. They just use "abuse" of data as an excuse to implement more strict caps sooner rather than later. Same as text messaging, we know the massive amount of money it costs them to support that service (major sarcasm included) and look at what carriers charge monthly for that. If Sprint keeps what they have going for them they will rise to the top.
[EVO 4G General] fachadick:
I bet you take food home from all you can eat restaurants also.

Just because its unlimited, doesn't mean you've got to see how far you can go to get the absolute most out of it. There was actually a thread here the other day where someone asking for the most efficient way to download as much as possible.

Another thing to remember is that (naively or not) Sprint was counting on recuperating some of what it spends to give us unlimited data with fees from the hotspot feature. But I'm willing to bet that one of the first things that the guys using the most data did, along with everyone else who rooted, was get wireless tether for free. I don't think Sprint took that into consideration.

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[EVO 4G General] jbarajasp:
this has been taken well out of contexts... hesse CLEARLY stated that unlimited data was not going away anytime soon... people would do a little more research before just reposting bad reporting that other site post :rolleyes:
[EVO 4G General] fachadick:
There are some pretty good write ups of what he said in the correct context, and although he did claim that unlimited data wasnt going away soon, he did basically say that in order to keep offering it as unlimited, they would have to raise the cost of the unlimited data plans, and begin to offer a tiered pricing structure, with data caps at the lower levels.

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[EVO 4G General] luiggipr:
good to know that this may be a possibility. not renewing this contract in 3 of my lines for the moment ... I pay my unlimited data plan and also pay $20 for(2) of my 4G when I dont have 4G in my area.
[EVO 4G General] cosine83:
Between all of my e-mails (work and personal), MMSes, and other misc. data usage I hit over 3GB/mo regularly. I don't torrent anything. I would hate to see the end of true unlimited data.
[EVO 4G General] jbarajasp:
lol... sprint is probably better without you..... you seem like the kind of person that looks for any reason to call care and "talk to your superviser"......

enjoy paying MORE 4 LESS at att or vzw :)

(where im sure you'll find something else to complain about)
[EVO 4G General] verse187:
I think there is going to be a big lawsuit coming lol
[EVO 4G General] twilk73:
3G is capped at 5gb already 4G is unlimited. If 4G gets capped its not gonna be capped at 1G lol so really I think most people will be fine regardless. Also if this happens it wont be until the next HUGE phone drops and at that time there will be a $20 dollar premium data fee lol.

On a serious note Iv been expecting Sprint to raise the price on there data I mean its been the same price for years and other carries are charging outragious prices. I think the $10 will be worked into the total cost of data eventually and then a few years later we will see it re apear.

One thing to not is that Sprints 4G is really not all that special. I mean some of the other carriers 3G connections can almost reach the speeds of Sprints 4G. and although Sprints 3g can reach speeds of 3MB I am in the club of 200-900kb speed depending on where I am at. My speeds suck on 3G. I think Sprints 3G is week and I am wondering if its really all that good for the majority? I know there are plenty that get 1.5mb and higher but are those people just the lucky few lol.
[EVO 4G General] Last-Chance:
3g is not capped... I used my instinct as a modem every single day for about a year.
[EVO 4G General] exdroid1:
I'm fine with a cap unless its less than 5. Im usually at a cafe that still doesn't have wireless so I need at least 2 GB of data every month to download office and school files.

I accept the fact that there are technological limitations to everything I enjoy/need in life. This one included. It is bound to happen. The question is how will a cap be implemented.

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[EVO 4G General] netarchy:
3g is not capped at 5, that is a limit on their usb broadband service. With the echo and that 10 fee, you could download 100 gigs on 3g if you really wanted and you would be fine as long as it was on sprints network.

The only data limit with the evo is 300 megs on roaming data.
[EVO 4G General] TheBiles:
If they limit data I will just switch to Verizon with superior coverage and phones without paying an ETF. I've been with Sprint for 7 years, but if they want to screw with me, I will leave.
[EVO 4G General] MrDSL:
OMG Sprint sold unlimited data and PEOPLE are actually using it?? THE NERVE!!!

I think maybe they should be shot! Man it just BURNS me up when I read someone who ACTUALLY uses their data plan!!

WTF is wrong with some of you people? Take the Corporate ball sack off your chin and think like a consumer!
[EVO 4G General] FL0OD:
I am also paying for 4g that I do not get, so as for thinking about capping my data too, agreed, buh bye.
[EVO 4G General] fachadick:
Wow - people are taking what he said out of context. Read the articles for truthiness, not the subject of this thread.

NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT CAPPING OUR UNLIMITED DATA. Or even raising the price on your existing plans. Sprint knows that if they do this, too many customers will bail and use that change to get out of their contracts. Instead what will happen is at some point next year they will resctucture their plans so that unlimited data will cost more for new customers, but those that have it already will be able to grandfather their old rates in.

It's not that people are using the unlimited data that is causing the issue - by all means, use that data, after all, it's inclused in the plan. What sprint has an issue with, and the reason why they're looking at changing the pricing structure, is because people are using the unlimited data, and abusing the prohibited network usage clause in their contracts while doing so. Sprint was simply not expecting so many people to root and get wireless tethering for free - they wrongfully assumed that people would follow the contracts that they signed up for. Now that people are abusing the probited network usage clause, and not only using wireless tething for free and using it their main connection to the internet at home, and using it for torrents and things like that, it no longer makes financial sense for them to offer it so cheap (compared to the other carriers). I expect that after the restructuring unlimited data on the evo (and like devices) will cost around $40, but will also include the wireless hotspot feature.

/my $0.02
[EVO 4G General] sdotcarlisle:
He's right if you are on unlimited data they can't just downgrade you you will remain on unlimited data, until you get a new phone and they say the data wont work on the new device but even so Verizon has a 5gb cap and once you hit 5gb they charge you per kilobyte and att has a 2gb cap and once you hit 2gb no more data until next month so even if they do cap it'll be no worse than the others. I work with a lot of large corporate accounts that have tens of thousands of phones on many various carriers and in imho Sprint is the fastest, most cost effective carrier.
[EVO 4G General] clamknuckle:
I love the knee jerk reaction of this thread.

I'll make it simple and paraphrase for the lot of you, since it doesn't seem any of you actually read what he said.

If Sprint can't afford unlimited data anymore, it won't be offered. As long as Sprint can afford it, it will remain as is.

It's a business, not a charity. They aren't here to give Tommy Torrent unlimited access to 0day warez and the newest cams with russian subtitles of harry potter.
[EVO 4G General] fachadick:
Hate to break it to you werx, but you're not paying $10 to get unlimited data. You could get yourself a Hero or Moment with Sprint service, save yourself the $10/month and still get your unlimited data.
[EVO 4G General] GrandMasterBirt:
Data caps are utter bull****. However its Tethering and You tube that is going to kill it. Why have 4G when you plow through it in an hour? Why have a phone that can do HDMI and 720p output and enough bandwidth to support it when you will hit the cap!?.

Granted I used about 400M in a month and my wife used 500M. Shes a bigger user than be since she browses funny images all day or on facebook, I play games, and browse news sites and such. Basically having 2gig cap won't affect me. But if I start tethering it will, and it feels BS to put a 2GB cap when you are paying an extra f-ing 10 bucks a month for "premium service".
[EVO 4G General] uniquenameevo:
Seriously? I find this funny. I would almost be willing to bet money that there are less rooted users than there are people who willingly pay for the hotspot feature. Our world (people searching XDA and other forums) is a small slice of the picture.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Good luck with that. Have fun paying more for less.
[EVO 4G General] makoute:
What think like a consumer? What's a consumer, you mean we don't all own the shares of the companies that we do business with? The nerve of you.
[EVO 4G General] mikeDCMDVA:
Lol, wow, I use nothing but Wifi and only like Facebook when I'm not on Wifi...people need to stop abusing
[EVO 4G General] fachadick:
You would probably win that bet. In the same vein, I would almost be willing to bet money that those limited amount of rooted users are still in the top percentage for data usage.

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[EVO 4G General] uniquenameevo:
Touche. Especially when we have "I just downloaded 30 gigs of stuff last month because I can, then I deleted it." users. The people "sticking it to the man" are the people that will cause the rest of us issue.
[EVO 4G General] dogcmp6:
Unlimited- 1. Having no restrictions or controls: an unlimited travel ticket.

2. Having or seeming to have no boundaries; infinite: an unlimited horizon.

3. Without qualification or exception; absolute: unlimited self-confidence.

seems to me if it is unlimited, it cant be abused XD
[EVO 4G General] fachadick:
The only limitation on the unlimited data (not inclusing the roaming stuff) is that you're still expected to follow the prohibited network usage clause in the sprint agreement. You can't folow the part of the contract where it says you get unlimited data usage, but not follow the part that says you're not allowed to use that unlimited data usage on wireless tether (without paying for it).
[EVO 4G General] neodorian:
This will only bother me if the pricing sucks. If pricing for unlimited stays similar but lower tiers can spend less, it seems like it would save people money and draw customers. If unlimited data starts to get really expensive compared to what it is now then I will obviously be pissed.

Right now I'm up to about 2.5GB this month. If I was out on the road and needed to tether I might be closer to 5GB. I've used over 10GB before. The point is that if there are cheap tiers, then 5-10GB tiers that are around the current pricing, then 10+ tiers that cost a few bucks more, it won't affect most folks and will allow Sprint to charge less for the people who use like 250MB a month, gaining them more business.

I'll reserve my judgment until any plans change and I compare them to the competition. So far, no matter how annoyed I get at a $5 bump here or a $10 Wimax/uncap fee there, Sprint is still the best option in my area. The only carrier with similar pricing is T-Mobile and their coverage is nowhere near as good where I live and travel.

Ultimately I will continue to go with the carrier that offers the best coverage and price relative to the others in my area.
[EVO 4G General] werxen:
I find it hilarious you assume everyone uses the wifi tether option as a means of "abusing the contract". Hahaha. Get over it.
[EVO 4G General] fachadick:
The wifi tether is just one part of the prohibited usage clause, and was used as an example. I don't assume that everyone using wifi tether is using it as "a means of abusing the contract", but if you're using wifi tether without paying $29.99/month for the hotspot feature, then you are in fact, violating your Sprint agreement. It doesn't matter if I see it as abuse or not, the point is that Sprint sees that as abuse. A direct result of this abuse is that at some undefine point in the future, Sprint will no longer find it financially viable to offer unlimited data at the same price points as they do now.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
The trolls in this thread are mentally impaired. You do realize how companies purchase bandwidth right?

They purchase, for example, 5GB a month to distribute to their customers costing them 1 million per gig. Every month they are okay but now, trolls start coming along and they're using 10GB costing the company an extra fee per gig they were not expecting, but the company takes the hit and doesn't say anything to keep the customers happy. Well, after years of these trolls a company has 2 options - buy more bandwidth (which will be absolutely 0 profit to them as there's only a certain amount of people that use it to that extreme and they wont profit) or begin tiered pricing. Thanks abusers!

You guys do realize even home internet services have data caps right? 250 gig's is the norm.
[EVO 4G General] fenixjn:
I think the company buys bandwidth not overall capacity. The more users get on the more bandwidth is used by each connection. The amount of bytes transferred from one end to the other is irrelevant on pricing.
[EVO 4G General] Hairongreenfire:
You obviously dont live in a city with WiMax and/or own Subsonic. I surf the net and stream music and I am regularly over 7GB per month

*edit* I also occasionally use my EVO as a hotspot so my brother can use his laptop in my car while we drive to University.
[EVO 4G General] spy_owl2:
As long as this thread is about guessing numbers, I think you are overestimating how many people actually use the hotspot feature in violation of the agreement. My guess would be, out of less than 0.1% who have rooted phones, probably a small subset of them; and, on top of that, use it in any significant way to affect overall usage. Both in numbers and in usage, it would be so minimal it would be nowhere near enough to skew any overall averages or totals in any meaningful way.

Then you hear statements to the effect of "3% of our users use 40% of our bandwidth" from Verizon (or was it AT&T). Even if you take those statements at their face value, however, they usually fail to state what percentage of that use is in violation of contract vs. uses under completely valid tethering/data contracts they sold. Maybe that's because virtually all of that is legitimate usage covered by their own contracts.

I can't get past the assumption that any significant amount of data usage comes from users who violate the non-tethering clause of the contract. It's usually implied in some posts in forums, but outside of that there isn't any actual evidence to corroborate it. I'd actually bet most of that use comes from customers (individuals and companies) who either don't tether (Youtube, dropbox, subsonic, Sprint TV, etc.), or purchase tethering and 3G/4G data plans, and just rely on them heavily.

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[EVO 4G General] stanglifemike:
I dont understand why people dont use their wifi when at home....it is much faster than 3G and even 4G....
[EVO 4G General] HseloMein:
I dont think Sprint buys any bandwith, seeing that Sprint is one of the nations largest Backbone internet providers. They are the ISP's for ISP's. But sure the do place a monetary value to the data.
[EVO 4G General] nicholaaaas:
i'm guessing everyone who does have wi-fi at home uses it
[EVO 4G General] felacio:
I use my data constantly, always on xda, Facebook, email, downloading every amounts of everything. I imagined I would have been at least 800mb of my data usages.

Just check and I'm just under 200mb. I'm baffled how someone could snatch up 44gb.

Hell, I don't even think I do that much on my pc. .

...in 1943, I killed a drifter.
[EVO 4G General] jkinnison90:
The most I've used is almost 1gb and that was a lot of downloading and surfing.. I use WiFi at home since I live in an 1x area >.>.
[EVO 4G General] JaiCameron:
lol at one of the comments, "Sprint the now you have it, now you don't network."