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[Vibrant General] talltexan:
The thought of my phone got stolen so everyone who has a locked out phone must be a stolen phone is stupid. What if your child were to get a hold of your phone and not be able to do the unlock paddern and lock your phone? A friend picks it up and screws trys to get into your phone..... should you be shuned by the community because "it must be stolen"...no.

This is the same attitude that has people saying Hondas are worthless because when i was young i had one and the engine blew up! Truth be told not all Hondas are junk.

Lighten up a bit and if someone asks for help on a comunity forum we are to try to help them.
[Vibrant General] NoDataFound:
This thread turned into a joke somehow. It went from me trying to warn people about tricks that people try to people getting offended.

The fact that users here feel that you should take things at face value is exactly how people get taken advantage of.

The fact remains, if you magically dont know intimate details of a device that is on your person the majority of the day raises suspicion in my mind.

If there is a disconnect between /data/system/accounts.db and the live hash on googles servers then i would like to see some data to back that up. I can understand a slight delay between changing the google account password and the phone to sync the change. However i find it unlikely that this is so widespread that legitimate users are being locked out.

I hope those offended find out exactly why they are.
[Vibrant General] talltexan:
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I love How you ignored my scenario of a child or foolish friend locking you out.
[Vibrant General] NoDataFound:
Re-read the first post. Then lets see if what you said sticks.
[Vibrant General] talltexan:
I have a friend who's son locked it and it wouldn't let him recover for some unknown reason he got an exchange from tmo so it could be different on vibrant from Agee maybe a Samsung thing?
[Vibrant General] jameskever:
I swear, when it gave me the option to verify my account with Google, it didn't even check the information I put in. I even looked at the 3G icon which will tell you if data is going up or down. It never did anything.it simply told me my info was wrong. But I could log into my Google account through a computer.

If the phone goes into lock down, is the radio some how accidently turning off or disabling? Not if I can see the 3G icon...right?

I had one of the hardware locked Vibrants. I think it may have something to do with that because there are people who have been able to get back into a locked phone through the Google verification. I dunno but it totally did not work for me.
[Vibrant General] ELStiko:
This is my point. The solution is on this thread and you didn't even try to apply it before you blurted out your crap. I take from your posts that you have tried to do the Gmail authentication but still thinks it goes out to the web to verify. But apparently it is doing something else which is explained a couple times in this thread alone. People like you deserve to be locked out of your phone. Hate me if you like. I dont care.
[Vibrant General] rsfaze:
they can take it back to the store they purchased it from, or any other authorized dealer and can get free assistance if they really are the owner.

We need to do this to protect ourselves. How would one feel if your phone got stolen and the next thread was the thief asking how to bypass a security feature.

I know I have no reason to help thieves , it's pathetic they can't get a job and buy their own stuff in the first place.
[Vibrant General] kponti:
You are an idiot, no one has posted a solution to this problem with non verification. I posted an idea, possibly a solution after the other guy had had all his problems and eventually got his phone replaced. I don't even know if this will work, but that is my guess (a few days too late for the others). I am lucky my verification worked but even the tmo rep knew about the verification problem but had NO solution except help me master reset the phone if the verification does not work.

Maybe you should read a bit more before posting
[Vibrant General] ELStiko:
Truth is.. You verified your own resolution. just for the hell of it, I did it and it worked. I will apologize for not reading through the other guy's rants and posts where he said he got a new phone. My bad on that one. If that is the case, why is he still ranting on about crap that isn't even relevant anymore.

Still the point is, upon seeing multiple threads with the same issue, does it really make any sense to create a new one crying about the same thing without AT LEAST going through the other threads to see if the resolution is already there. I fail to believe any of the morons posting these OMG I locked my phone threads have done that. They are just as much of a waste of space as all these Where is Froyo threads going on everywhere.
[Vibrant General] flyingmedic:
Yes, lets not help those dastardly "theives", my god that would be almost as bad as helping THIEVES!
[Vibrant General] NoDataFound:
FINALLY. Someone called me on it. J know, i feel pretty stupid seeing it incorrectly spelled. Oops.
[Vibrant General] kponti:
I have to pull my idiot comment back, you are a big man for appologizing when you are wrong. You are alright in my book
[Vibrant General] jackhuny:
I cant agree with you on it. If it was stolen phone people can just flash a new rom to it and the phone will be fully functional, then they can do what ever sht they want to do with it after that, or they even want to get in and stolen you password too which require high understanding of android OS that I dont believe they will be asking question here anyway.

I think people asking for help are more likely to be the owner becuase they care about they msg, email and some other personal staffs.
[Vibrant General] spigatelli:
Well, it happened to me today. I have been on these forums for a while, and I am no newb. My son locked my phone and it will not take my google password. I have not changed the password in the 2 months I have had the phone. I went into recovery and deleted user data, but it still asks for my google info. I guess it is odin time for me.
[Vibrant General] krook6023:
I would like to remind everyone to mindful of the forum rules...we are watching this thread...refrain from name calling, personal attacks and bad language. That way you can speak your mind without receiving a warning or worse a ban. This is not my area…I am just dropping by to give this friendly reminder.
[Vibrant General] joshkoss:
As krook6023 stated, No more flaming.

I have issued warnings, and cleaned the thread of most of the bickering.

Keep it peaceful guys. Thread closed.

Josh
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] urushiol:
This started yesterday out of nowhere, I had my phone connected to my desktop copying some music files to the SDcard. I finished copying the files and disconnected my phone. I immediately realized I missed one album I wanted so I plugged the cable back in. Boom, instant reboot. So i tried it a few more times thinking it was a fluke, same thing. I tried 2 different USB cable thinking mine may have shorted out, and I also tried connecting it to 3 different computers. All give instant reboots. So i then tried turning my hero off, taking out the SDcard, putting a different one in, and booting up. Again, reboots instantly. So, i did a full wipe and restored a nandroid from 2 days ago.... and it still reboots.

Finally I tried turning off USB debugging, and it worked fine! So no mater what I do, i can't connect to a PC with USB debugging on without it rebooting.

Any thoughts on what might be causing this strange condition? I'm going to run a RUU tonight to see if that will fix it. However even if that fixes it, i would still like to be able to understand whats actually happening here.
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] urushiol:
RUU fixed it
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chromiumleaf:
Just a thought: maybe the notification sound you used had become corrupt somehow? and every time you connected the USB and it attempted to play the notification sound for the USB debugging (which maybe became a corrupt file?), it caused the phone to reboot itself?
[Droid X General] kizer8:
Anybody know if there is an app that will allow me to disable/enable the auto-rotate feature of my Droid X with 2.1 on a schedule at a certain time automatically?
[Droid X General] compchick813:
I believe Advanced Mode Scheduler will do this. You may need the paid version.
[Epic 4G Android Development] oktanedroid:
My phone is working fine and I don't want the D107 update until the kinks are worked out. Every 15 minutes my phone prompts me to update. Is there a way to permanently suppress these messages until I want to update?

Thanks
[Epic 4G Android Development] BeerChameleon:
if u are rooted u can delete the systemupdates.apk.
[Android] CTH-EVO:
Greetings all,

This is my first post here. I hope to make it a memorable one. :)

Really; I've been programming on the UNIX system for more than 20 years.

Having picked up and activated a brand new HTC-EVO android-2.2 (froyo) 4

days ago. I discover "big brother's watching" :eek: (google). This is completely unacceptable. Looking for the definitive answer brings me to XDA. So, I spent the past 2 days reading threads here. But can't shake the notion that all of this "rooting" seems overly complicated. I mean if android runs atop Linux, WTF is all this MS-DOS BS? Granted, I'm new to the EVO, but in UNIX, it seems that a simple:

# su
password
# mkdir /evoandroid
# mount /dev/android-device /evoandroid
dd if=<your-ROM-name-here> of=/evoandroid

would suffice.

This above is only slightly different for Linux - but I think you get the picture.

Sure. I know the SDK && NDK are written for MS-DOS & Co.

But what's that got to do with writing a "rooted" ROM to the EVO?

Because Windows users use the EVO too? :confused:

Sorry, but what am I missing here? Would love to start writing a self-made ROM to my new EVO. In fact I've already nearly finished a compilation that features an almost indistinguishable OS X. But hate to move any farther forward w/o clearing this "nit" I have with writing to the EVO.

Thank you for all your time and consideration.

--Chris
[Android] gnarlyc:
I don't understand your question. Can you clarify, and I'm sure someone will be glad to help if possible.

You can download Windows, Mac, and Linux versions of the SDK & NDK, so I'm not sure why you think they are Windows specific. (Many, if not most, ROM devs use Ubuntu since compiling AOSP & kernel source works well on it.)

If there is some part of the rooting process for the EVO that requires Windows, then that might be better directed to the EVO specific forums. I have helped to root one EVO myself, and it was done from a Mac. Things may have changed though.
[Android] CTH-EVO:
Hello gnarlyc, and thank you for your reply.

OK fair enough. I'll try to be more concise.

Currently, it is my understanding, that to "get root" on the EVO. One must download the SDK && NDK. Then use the tools provided there-in to "get root".

Yes, I am aware that you also need some of the wonderful utilities provided by the "dev's" here at XDA. :)

But I wonder why it wouldn't be simpler to mount(8) ( http ://internethell.net/man/?query=mount ) the EVO (rom & sdcard), and simply write the custom ROM "raw" right to the EVO's live rom.

eg; on a *NIX boxen

# su
password
# mkdir /evoandroid
# mount /dev/evo-device /evoandroid
# dd if=./custom-rom.img of=/evoandroid

see: http ://internethell.net/man/?query=dd

Done. That was easy, wasn't it. :)

I was aware of the source being *NIX. But when I went to HTC, they presented me with only the Windows version. Perhaps, they felt I was on Windows, based on some browser "sniffing" thing. Dunno. I don't have Windows on anything. But occasionally on one of my BSD servers, I'll mount it in a Virtualbox VM.

Thanks for your info here. I'll go back and get the Mac version. I don't suppose it supports Apple Macs?

See above. :)

Couldn't find the HTC-EVO phone as a separate forum - like the other EVO's.

I don't feel I'd have any trouble "rooting" it. I just felt that all of the "tut's" I've found here were un-necessarily complicated - overly complex. So I'm wondering why my example above wouldn't work.

Thank you again gnarlyc, for your thoughtful response.

--Chris
[Android] gnarlyc:
Ok, I think I get you now. I don't think this will work though. The running image is on an internal partition. Maybe you can mount that? I don't think so though. It doesn't seem to me that mounting the sdcard will get you anywhere. So many 'impossible' things have already been done with Android, so I wouldn't count you out completely.

http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=HOWTO:_Unpack,_Edit,_and_Re-Pack_Boot_Images

Kernel source for HTC phones - http://developer.htc.com/

Android Open Source Project source - http://source.android.com/source/download.html

Android SDK - http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html

Android NDK - http://developer.android.com/sdk/ndk/index.html

I recommend this script for grabbing AOSP source on Debian/Ubuntu - http://blog.coralic.nl/2010/01/28/build-eclair-aka-android-2-1-for-hero-from-source/

You can change 'eclair' to 'froyo' for Android 2.2 source. It's good to look at this even if you don't use a Debian based distro, although it's mostly the same stuff that's on Google's site.

EVO forum - http://xdaforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=653

I don't think there's more than one EVO, but maybe I'm wrong. The internal name is 'Supersonic', btw. You might see that in places.

Won't this root method work? - http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=787304

Some other light reading -

http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=HOWTO:_Unpack,_Edit,_and_Re-Pack_Boot_Images

http://forum.androidcentral.com/hacking/6037-general-rom-faq.html

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=633246

http://blog.coralic.nl/2010/01/28/build-eclair-aka-android-2-1-for-hero-from-source/

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=622916

http://forum.androidcentral.com/htc...how-build-your-own-kernel-package-source.html

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=6738713&postcount=1

http://www.kandroid.org/android_pdk/index.html

http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page

https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AcdxIJRSH9ypZGZzc2pxNDlfMjdnazk4OHNxZA&hl=en

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=641223

http://adrianvintu.com/blogengine/post/Colored-Logcat-Script-for-Windows.aspx

http://www.androidenea.com/2009/08/init-process-and-initrc.html

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=623976

http://lukasz.szmit.eu/2009/12/making-your-own-rooted-android-rom.html

http://androidguts.com/index.php/Main_Page

http://groups.google.com/group/android-kernel

http://groups.google.com/group/android-building

http://groups.google.com/group/android-porting

http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers

http://groups.google.com/group/android-ndk

http://groups.google.com/group/android-platform
[Android] CTH-EVO:
Greetings gnarlyc.

Let me first preface this by saying how grateful I am for all the time and effort you put into your last reply - WOW. :)

I don't want to sound argumentative. But just for the record, when I plug my EVO into one of my BSD servers, it immediately sees both the running system, and the sdcard. While I haven't yet attempted to mount the live system. I will endeavor to do so when I can determine what state I need to have the phone in to safely mount it. I'll report back to you with my results.

I have a strong suspicion I'll be posting a "one step to root and ROM" here within a week. That should help a lot of folks out. :)

I primarily develop in, and on the BSD family of operating systems. But given the Linux ABI support on BSD, I've made my development workstation dual-boot BSD/Fedora 13. But given the workstation is an AMD X4 six-core 4Ghz

board. I've decided to cobble up a copy of OS X (Apple CPU) to install on it as well - see; triple-boot. I'm just about to install it in the next couple of days. But thought I'd take a break on that development, and play with my new toy. :)

I should also have a copy of OS X for the EVO before long. Think anyone would be interested?

Well, I may not be new to development, but this EVO is new territory for me. So I'd do well to take advantage of the wealth of information you've thoughtfully provided me. :)

Best wishes to you gnarlyc, and thanks again.

--Chris
[Android] gnarlyc:
No problem. I'm wrong at least once per day, but that's ok as long as I realize it and learn from it. I hope you are able to work it out.

I've seen 'rooting' of the Eris go from installing a leaked ROM to doing some crazy timing with pulling out the sdcard (or something like that) to a 1-click app that's on the market. Some really determined, knowledgeable, and intelligent people have put a lot of time into making these things easier and better. Welcome to the community!

A copy of OS X for the EVO? Do you mean running on the EVO? If so, then I'm sure people would be interested from a purely geeky perspective. There are several phones out there with the option to install Ubuntu and/or Debian on them. They don't seem to be of practical use yet. Can you cross-compile Darwin for arm CPUs? Maybe I'm confused here... My knowledge of such things only runs so deep.

(Side note - I keep those links in a text file just for such occasions. I don't see why everyone should have to spend their time searching for the sites that I already know about.)
[Android] CTH-EVO:
Yes, and no. The "apps" and android are made with Java - something Oracle is currently sueing Google for as I speak (Google clams "clean-room" in-house Java, Oracle claims otherwise). So for all practical purposes, there is no reason that those same "apps" found on the phones, and in the "market" can't be made to run on OS X. In fact, it opens the doors to additional "apps" that otherwise wouldn't be possible - iTunes, for example. :)

Glad you asked. BSD (which is what "hosts" NeXT/Darwin) has no problems with ARM, and I'm confident that I can manipulate Darwin to work on Snapdragon. :)

I'm really glad you do - it really helped me a lot not having to weed all these "jewls" out. Thank you very much for sharing them with me, I appreciate it! :)

Best wishes to you gnarlyc, and have a wonderful day.

--Chris
[Android] gnarlyc:
Are they doing something similar to what you are talking about?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=788554
[Android] CTH-EVO:
Thanks for the link gnarlyc.

I thought about something similar to this when I first thought about "rooting" the phone; making a system folder on the sdcard, then "soft linking" it to /system.

Problem being, the performance hit using the sdcard for system related tasks made this option undesirable.

Thanks again for sharing the link, gnarlyc. :)

OH, one thing though, my phone is not linked to google. I have no google account(s). I activated this phone in "developer mode". Meaning that there is no personal info to worry about "attached" to this phone. Making it an ideal candidate for creating a bone-stock ROM for recovery/hacking purposes. I don't suppose you can direct me to "cloning" this phone. So that I might share this w/others as a ROM suitable for un-bricking their phone, could you?

HTC-EVO (supersonic) s/w# 3.26.651.6, baseband# 2.15.00.07.28, PRI version 1.71_003, andriod 2.2

Thanks again.

--Chris
[Android] MaybachMan:
Can I ask, what do you mean by "big brother (Google) is watching"?
[Android] gnarlyc:
If you have a custom recovery partition like Amon_Ra's, you can do a NAND backup to the sdcard. It's basically a snapshot of the currently flashed ROM. That should work just fine. NAND's can be manipulated in dsixda's kitchen (although I haven't tried it, the option is there and dsixda has things together pretty well) and I THINK you should be able to copy one from one EVO to another and do a restore.

A side note... Generally when people create the ROMs that are out there, they do not include the directories under /data that might have personal info, so you can actually create a bone-stock ROM like you want without using a phone in such a state as yours. I've flashed a lot of different ROMs, and I'm pretty sure that none of them had identifying information about the dev unless they purposely did something like put their name in the build.prop or the wallpaper. Generally, if they include a /data, it's just for /data/app, although there are exceptions like when they want to change a database or something else that might be under /data.

As far as I know, your phone won't be linked to Google until you sign in with the Google account. I've gone several days on a fresh ROM without setting that up. Eventually, I find I want to install something from the Market, so I go ahead and sign in...
[Android] CTH-EVO:
Greetings MaybachMan.

Yes. Of course you may. :)

What I mean by that, is that is that Google monitors your activity. To what extent,

all depends on what applications you use, and to what extent you have a relation

with Google - Gmail, Google search, or any other Google application/account you

have with Google. Myself, on the other hand, I activated my EVO in "developer" mode.

I have no Gmail account, or any other relationship/account with Google.

Google needs your data. Google is a "data miner" that's what Google does.

I don't have a problem with their chosen line of business. I simply choose not to be

part of the data they "mine" - to the extent I am able.

Meaning in the context of my OP; I want to remove most (if not all) of the Google apps

on my EVO - including the Market app.

I hope I have cleared things up for you, MaybachMan. :)

Thanks for your reply.

--Chris
[Android] CTH-EVO:
Thank you gnarlyc! You're a "pillar of wisdom" where these phones are concerned.

I really appreciate your sharing it with me. :)

Best wishes, and thanks again gnarlyc.

--Chris
[Android] gnarlyc:
Well, thank you. At least one of the voices tells me that's why I'm here. I'm still learning, and I find it easier to pass on what I learn if I learned it recently. Since I just got this phone in March, nearly everything I know about it is pretty fresh!
[Android] nightwing878:
In addition the "big brother" post. The book 1984 I believe is where it comes from. The author is George Orwell and usually this book refers to things in society today as an Orwellian society. It's a really great book anyone who has spare time should really check it out if they like conspiracies, apocalyptic scenarios etc.