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[Desire HD General] Beards:
Sorry but you are missing the point too......

Both the i-Phone 4 & SGS have really good quality cameras, just like some Nokia's.

As such you don't need to take a dedicated digital camera around with you all the time.

... and if you are thinking I don't have a clue to photography, I also own several decent cameras including a very large DSLR, a myriad of lens, a Panasonic LX3 (professionals choice of compact), a Panasonic TZ10 and a Canon G10 to name but a few.

I also post on DPReview where it's often discussed the days of the phone camera being nothing but a poor mans camera is coming to an end.

Take the sensor on the SGS ~ It has a very low f-stop which allows it to shoot in a much higher ISO in really low lighting.

If the technology is there which clearly it is then it should be used; not sidelined with having to also carry another camera with you.
[Desire HD General] fridaycider:
have just seen this website with a review and picture samples. to be honest if this is the quality of shots i'll be quite happy.

http://www.eprice.com.tw/mobile/talk/?prod_id=4018&tid=4509706

just translate web page
[Desire HD General] mark wild:
AHA.

+1 on that. :D
[Desire HD General] Beards:
How?

The shots are dark and underexposed.

Take a look at the shot in the London High Street....

The sky is totally bleached which is bad on it's own but even so that would indicate the shot has been exposed on the street and not the sky, yet the street is badly underexposed.... you can not make out any detail in the darker areas.

It makes no sense.... Looking at that shot one would have thought it had been exposed to the sky but if that is the case again there is a problem because you can not see any detail (no cloud or colour).
[Desire HD General] mark wild:
Got to see your pics.

Cud you please post some of your pictures taken from your SGS?

...

And, yeah, the white balance is all wrong. Guess I've got to set it manually. :D
[Desire HD General] SupremeBeaver:
yeah im sure a little tweaking in the settings could solve some of those issues.
[Desire HD General] mark wild:
+1

cuz, yeah, i have a DSLR Canon Eos 450D, and... in the auto mode it takes not really good pictures, MUST SAY... :D But in the manual mode, i know my surroundings, i know what i must set in to make the pic. just a superb one. And in any way, before publishing I always work with the photo within Corel Photo Paint.
[Desire HD General] deli_gt:
Dude go back to Samsung section your comments are just whining about DSD because you have SGS and love it and can't think there is anything better.

Clearly the images are at least as good as SGS.

Video is better in SGS but hopefully they fix the light change to smoother in next ota.
[Desire HD General] Beards:
Wrong..... Take a look at this topic, especially Post 125. You will notice I cry down BOTH the SGS & DHD.

The reason we post is to form a debate.

It's no debate however when no matter what you say is simply dismissewd.

I appreciate this is a Desire HD section and like I have said in the other topics to do with the DHD, I eventually will get a DHD myself.... I'll just do it through debating.

As to the pictures being as good as a SGS, have you actually seen the photo's taken using a SGS?

It's no point in me posting shots I have taken because you will only say I've chosen something specific to make the shots stand out etc.
[Desire HD General] hamdir:
if you regularly read gsmarena.com you will see that many times their first preview samples later improved in photo quality with the final version

as for the desire current camera, ive made extensive tests against the iphone 4 camera, the iphone took better pictures in outdoors and sun light, however with the desire if you reduce the digital sharpness or remove it completely and you have an almost match, the iphone 4 beats it since its clearly making extensive digital treatment to the image

but did you try the iphone 4 indoors or at night, the flash is almost useless and even indoors in daylight the 5 megapixels are almost a waste due to the horrible noise, the desire beats it in this department

bottom line you need to tweak the options of the desire camera, removing digital sharpness, and tweaking the metering and iso options (auto only half of the time is good) the iphone 4 camera isnt so special given the crazy amount of noise its clearly using a higher iso mode and digital treatment

as for the video recording the iphone 4 wipes the floor with the desire
[Desire HD General] fridaycider:
i didnt say they were perfect did i, i would be happy enough with the quality for a camera phone. as long as the quality is not as bad as the previous iphones i could live with it.

At the end of the day the phone it not advertised as a high end camera phone like the satio,n8,or pixon, it just states it has a camera on it.

So yes i would be happy enough.
[Desire HD General] stormfury_2:
In regards to the lack of cloud detail, one answer could just be a bright yet overcast day causing the bleaching effect. Also it's a camera on a phone, if you want to take pictures that actually represent real life quality go out and buy an expensive DSLR and take photos with that.

I'm happy with what I see in the pictures above. I was using a SGS at the w/end and even with a good camera I dislike the iPhone app styled menu and the overall plasticy feel and build quality.
[Desire HD General] mark wild:
about getting me wrong.

No, no, no, no... don't get me wrong... i really want to see some samples not taken by reviewers, but by humble users. If you don't want to post them public, cud you PM me?
[Desire HD General] fridaycider:
IT would like a few more samples to look at ,but it's getting close to the stock date and it's always nice to have a good review before we get our hands on one.

It would be nicer if the shots taken were with a demo one with beta firmware and the production one will be better,but i wouldn't expect too much of a difference.

We live in hope...:rolleyes:

But as i said ,i would be still happy enough with the quality from the samples on that review..
[Desire HD General] Beards:
Thank you.... For a limited time I'll upload a selection of shots to my Dropbox account.

I've placed them in a .RAR folder (saves having to send a link for each photo).

The photo's are randomly picked but I hope will serve as an understanding.

Here's first an explanation as to what each photo is:-

22.05.56 ~ Night shot

23.24.00 ~ Near total darkness shot, normal mode.

23.24.17 ~ Near total darkness Nightmode active

08.11.45 ~ Rose close up

08.12.00 ~ Rose with Ants

08.12.20 ~ Clematis close up

08.13.19 ~ Clematis

20.21.02 ~ Balloon

20.21.16 ~ Balloon zoomed

18.09.46 ~ Trick photography on the phone

12.54.29 ~ White sports car

12.57.19 ~ Back of old Morris

12.57.46 ~ Front of old Morris

13.01.21 ~ Inside of Morris

09.48.50 ~ Granddaughter

Note: In Shot 23.24.00 my Brothers Desire could not pick up any lighting whatsoever.

So it is strength on it's own that the SGS managed to capture some light.

However, as soon as I selected 'NightMode' shot 23.24.17 was achieved.

This is down to the very low f-stop on the SGS.

Here you can find the file Samsung SGS Sample Shots.rar

Hope this helps.

EDITED:

Forgot to mention ~ Note how it also handles Depth of Field well. I know the DHD has a 'depth-of-field' mode but on the SGS it's standard with no other setting required.
[Desire HD General] fridaycider:
I would be defiantly be happier if the quality were anywhere near these..

thank you for the samples..
[Desire HD General] stormfury_2:
Quietly impressed with the macro pictures of the flowers especially. The colour reproduction seems very natural in daylight. Is the virgin balloon taken zoomed in using the digital zoom on the camera? if that is the case then the anti-vibration is also very good. However, this wont stop me from getting a DHD simply because of the CPU/GPU the DHD is using.
[Desire HD General] Beards:
Yes, everything was direct from the phone's camera.... No retouching, no correction, just default settings.

The zoomed Balloon was using the cameras own zoom with stabilization switched on, which as you correctly noticed took away vibration levels.

I'm pleased it won't stop you getting the DHD. The shots were not to achieve this, they were merely as requested.
[Desire HD General] stormfury_2:
A nice gesture it was too, but I'm choosing the DHD for the CPU/GPU they're using and the good real estate on the screen. It'll be a good compromise between a tab and phone, at least for me anyway. One question I have for Beards is about the UI Samsung have gone with for the app drawer, what do you think of it?
[Desire HD General] Beards:
Actually I like it but I can understand why you may find it cumbersome.

The reasons I like it are:-

1. You can opt to display it either Alphabetically as in 'List View' or in standard 'Grid View'.

2.In Grid View you can pick up any of the icons and place them on whatever page you wish.

On mine I have all my GPS Apps on one page, all Media on another, all Utils on another, all Games on another, etc.

To get from say Page 2 to Page 14 all you need do is touch the 'dot' at the top of the screen and it will jump directly to that page.
[Desire HD General] lukesky:
if only the SGS had a keyboard an a LED flash (or xenon flash would be better).. i would consider it.. having said that, the LED flash on the iphone4 is rubbish in the sense it always over exposes the picture when u take near shots... I'm waiting for the day where phone flashes are smart enough to ramp up or down the flash intensity based on the exposure of the subject..

ok back to topic.. *rant over* :p

*edit* Oh I found the reason why my wife's iphone4 has the overexposed look when we take pictures with flash, it's because we didn't take out the original plastic protector that came with the phone, so when the LED flashed, the light got 'carried' over to the camera lens beside it, so all the pictures had this bright, washed out look! I took out the plastic protector last night and pictures look fine now!
[Desire HD General] Beards:
Honestly... the SGS does not need a flash. With it's low light capabilities it takes more natural evening or low light shots.

As you say, phone camera flashes are not good enough and often bleach out a shot.

......and yes, back on topic.
[Desire HD General] azreil24:
Judging by those pictures taken with the DHD i`d say that there ok, HD2 seems to take much better pictures, and my SGS takes brilliant photos, not talking about video recording, very good, the only thing that is really dissapointing is the audio quality and mic sensitivity, an auto volume leveliser would be great :)

Maybe DHD will take better pictures when it comes to my home town :p
[Desire HD General] SupremeBeaver:
you guys might want to check some of the HD videos taken from the T-Mobile G2. I know its not the same phone, but the fact HTC is releasing them at the same time makes me think they're going to have similar recording capabilities. There's already plenty up on youtube.
[Desire HD General] mark wild:
:(

Must say, to compare the HTC G2 video output to the SGS, i would like to say the G2 in comparison to the SGS - literary - SUCKS... :( :( :( :( :(

...

I want to cry... cry hard and pray to every HTC god out there. Please let the DHD have a better video and picture quality than the G2.

...

WHY dos HTC suck so much at the photo and video department??? :( :( :(
[Desire HD General] MacaronyMax:
Because you can't market the sound ;)
[Desire HD General] SupremeBeaver:
wow i wasnt expecting that sort of reaction. To be honest i was quite impressed by some of the clips. The only disappointment was the audio quality.
[Desire HD General] mark wild:
:)

Sorry for that reaction of mine... eh... simply put. Se, i don't have the resources to buy every new phone every year, even two years. So whatever i buy, I am gonna stick with for the next... hmmm... 8 years or so. The only thing that would let me buy something new is if i sold this one later on. Yeah... so... bottom line is, gonna think hard on what to spent all my hard earned money on. Feeling a little put down on that HTC makes everything so well thought threw, but the camera is a whole another story.
[Desire HD General] mark wild:
:((((((

WHY??????????????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhCwNohSQnk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_yaAvclOZ8

It's JUST the "F"ing audio quality... WHY??? NOOOO...

Please make the DHD record in some other audio format...
[Desire HD General] mupet0000:
We have already seen videos recorded with the DHD, it looks like the G2 but the audio quality is better!
[Desire HD General] override182:
Seems like the video quality in 720p recording improved compared to HTC Desire but they need to work out on the audio much more.. hopefully DHD will do better but maybe its the same :(
[Desire HD General] Beards:
It may have improved but it is still way way short of that found on both the i-Phone 4 & Samsung Galaxy S.

I personally did not like the video shown for the DHD. It was too dark and very jerky. Granted this is a YouTube video but I downloaded the 720p and even taking that aside it was poor in comparison.
[Desire HD General] override182:
I must say that the audio quality also improved compared to HTC Desire.. Noah's voice as actually clear but Aaron's was not so that loud..

correct me if im wrong but it does sound better compared to whats on HTC Desire isnt it?
[Desire HD General] SupremeBeaver:
yes audio AND video have been improved. Video runs at 30 fps compared to Desire's 23 fps. Its much more smoother, if not perfectly smooth. Audio sounds improved for sure. Its being captured at 44.1 sampling rate at 75kbps compared to the Desire's 8.0 sampling rate and 12kbps.

I think its a possibility that once the phone gets rooted that some devs could work on increasing the audio bitrate. I was following a thread in the EVO section where they successfully upped the bitrate on video. So i think it's a possibility for audio as well if we have willing developers.
[Desire HD General] override182:
that is good news isnt it.. the one on the DHD most likely to be the same or a lil bit better..

video recording - CHECKED!

haha.. something better is an improvement eventhough still not on par to what people consider as the best.. another point of worthy upgrade
[Desire HD General] jhenrikj:
It's funny that so many users know exactly how good/bad pictures the camera takes and how good/bad video it captures when the phone is not out on the market yet.
[Desire HD General] bjoernbertelsen:
There are some pictures

If you read some of the previous posts, there are a links to a few shots taken with a DHD and a single 720p video (its on youtube). It's not much, but it is something though.
[Desire HD General] Beards:
Here it is.
[Desire HD General] shorty083:
Those pictures enlarged are pretty mediocre.

Even my old sony ericsson w850i with a 2.0 mp shot better pictures then those.

I'll try to keep in mind that hopefully that's not the end result when the phone starts shipping out.
[Desire HD General] Beards:
I know how you feel.... Photography for me is very important.

Granted I have several digital cameras but I don't want to be carrying one with me now all the time not since I started taking shots on the Galaxy S.

I want to continue what I'm doing now in being able to take good shots & video off the cuff, not when my digital cameras dictate. The DHD at first glance here does not appear to deliver.

However we said this for the HD2 when it had problems with it's camera and after the xda-devs tweaked we got rid of the pink spot, improved the sharpness and sorted out a few other bits along the way....

Hopefully the same will be said for the DHD but it's annoying when someone has to alter what should be a good phone... Makes you feel cheated, just like the many who are complaining about the GPS on the SGS.
[Desire HD General] mark wild:
Oh... OH... OH...

Oy... Think about it... maybe they are delaying the release cuz they are working on the photo and video software...!!! That would be a SUPERB good reason to delay the release!!!

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:D :D :D :D

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If they fix that, than they can release the phone when ever they want!!! :D :D :D :D
[Desire HD General] Beards:
Yeah... fix that and look at the audio (if it's a problem that is) and that would make it complete for me.
[Desire HD General] SupremeBeaver:
Two new videos from HTC's latest event showing off the DHD's 720p recording.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QN7lnoOSpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sn6fyGsSC4
[Desire HD General] mark wild:
:D

I have no sound @ work... cant wait to get home... :D
[Desire HD General] SupremeBeaver:
i think the sound is definitely better than the G2. There's even a video shot from the Desire Z of the same concert. I think the DHD beats that too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYnwQqgqpPI
[Desire HD General] mark wild:
Yep... the DHD is definitely much better than the desire Z, but still, audio isn't the greatest... :p So, we will see...! But seriously, this loud environment isn't the best place to film and judge the audio quality. :D But that is just me... :D
[Desire HD General] onesolo:
For me it's just fine, even my 1year old point and shoot camera don't have a great sound and video record...

Guys, a mobile will always be a mobile!!! Maybe in a couple or years but right know most companies are not focusing in have the best in a combined device...
[Desire HD General] dlci:
my .02c as a smartphone user for years - I'm disappointed. I see almost identical phones being released over and over again, suffering exactly the same problems/limitations. I can't go and spend 600 euros for that quality/functionality. Perhaps if that'd be my first smartphone I'd be happy to go for any of these two, but for good of bad I'm not.
[Desire HD General] mark wild:
Listen to the f@xing sound!!!! :)))))))))))))))

LISTEN TO THIS!!! JUST LISTEN!!!

...

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raSH5HlsK9s

I'm so happy right now.
[Desire HD General] SupremeBeaver:
that sounds pretty good :)

but i hate how it adjusts to light changes!
[Desire HD General] mark wild:
:)

You know... there is a way to adjust the settings for that, but for the sound... It comes as it is, so really... THIS IS IT... the phone is mine and i love it, before i ever bought it...! The audio on the DHD is on par. HTC audio quality is FINALLY on PAR!!! :D :D :D :D
[Desire HD General] mark wild:
:))))))))))))))))))))

Superb quality. Here is proof... :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNtZSgcaToY
[Desire HD General] dazultra2000:
Can't really tell about the photos from that video since they'd be compressed for youtube. At a glance they look OK, but they're all in quite good light conditions. Be interesting to see it in poorer conditions.

The video, on the other hand, looks pretty abysmal for 720p. Lots of artifacts and macroblocks and the sound quality is no better than previous handsets.

Never mind I suppose.

Isn't that road the one that's at the beginning of "BIRDEMIC: Shock and Terror"?
[Desire HD General] mupet0000:
The photos do look good and yeah I would also like to see some in low light. The video is not good for 720p I agree but the audio is a lot better than previous HTC devices, it's still not amazing but it's not horrible either, check the evo or hd2 for example.
[Desire HD General] SupremeBeaver:
The artifacts no doubt come from youtube's compression. Sound is definitely improved over HTC's previous phones, not perfect, but satisfactory. Overall im very satisfied. This is certainly HTC's best camera in terms of video on any of their phones out there.

edit: if you look in the description they say that the conversion causes lose of quality, and they will post the original files on their site. Looking forward to that!
[Desire HD General] dazultra2000:
Ooh ok - me too! :)
[Desire HD General] mekz77:
yeah, cant wait for the 3gp original files.

youtube compresses alot so the original footage has to be better than youtubes crap.

pls post here if the 3gp files are out.
[Desire HD General] mekz77:
http://www.solopalmari.com/news/android/10592-htc-desire-hd-video-hd-720p-originale-disponibile

Direct Link

ORIGINAL .3gp video now online!!
[Desire HD General] SupremeBeaver:
i hate how they recorded in front of the windshield.
[Desire HD General] Spaky:
I think they want to test it with a moving car for 30fps check.
[Desire HD General] SupremeBeaver:
true, but recording in front of glass diminishes some of the clarity.

They could have just recored a wide open space and moved the phone fast to see how it keeps up.

But all in all, its pretty good, and the sound is great from the .3gp clip.
[Desire HD General] mark wild:
I'M SOLD!!!

That's it! I'm sold!!! :D :D :D :D
[Desire HD General] onesolo:
Well I found it very curious, the sound quality looks very good, but the video although not bad shows a lot of jaggies and a lot of light changes...

I hope it turns better in the final rom...
[Desire HD General] Spaky:
true, it's a shame, hope they will record a new one in open space,we can suggest that to them ;)
[Desire HD General] Beards:
Well I'm not sold on the video clarity either but some of the stray lighting you mention will be down to the cars windscreen giving off reflection rays.

The camera sensor would have been working very hard adjusting the gamma lighting between outside and the windscreen.

I'm not sold yet.... Granted it wasn't the best method to show moving video.

I would rather the user remained stationary and panned around.

Also, is there no zoom available?

I shall wait until I see another video before coming to a conclusion.
[Desire HD General] LeviathanPT:
Some pics taken with a Desire HD by a russian guy, the source site is in the "Ask questions about the DHD"Thread its a russian website.
[Desire HD General] Beards:
There's a hint of that old problem the 'Pink Spot' showing in the last picture.

The Russian guy did mention this in his findings.
[Desire HD General] rorododo:
Took some random photos to check out the camera - see "HTC Desire HD" album by redrodney.
[Desire HD General] Seraphic:
I've taken a fair few and uploaded them to my Flickr account if anyone wants a look:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/steve_muller/sets/72157625139950777/
[Desire HD General] skimminstones:
Some nice quality pics there. Were they just point and click or did you change any settings?

Not had a play about with the camera on mine yet, keep meaning to.
[Desire HD General] Seraphic:
Point and shoot unless I've said otherwise on the description of the photo. A couple of the night shots I did manual ISO setting but thats about it.
[Desire HD General] Beards:
It's always good to hear owners using the camera features and not just simply pressing the 'Take Shot' button ~ which most end up doing only to then complain in the lack of any decent shot.

This is one reason why I use the Camera Apps for Android (Camera360 Pro), (Vignette), (Camera Illusion Pro)

Then use other assistants such as (PicSay Pro), (Photoid Pro), (PhotoFluent) & (PhotoFunia).
[Desire HD General] Diam@nt:
I have Desire HD only three days and this is my first Android after 10 years of WinMob. I have tested the camera at a beautiful sunny day and I am confused from taken photos. It seems, that the picture is destroyed by hard sharpening and a very high JPEG compression. Is it possible to chande these settings? I found only resolution setting, white balance etc.
[Desire HD General] SupremeBeaver:
you might find this thread very interesting.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=875230
[Desire HD General] Restorer:
Sharpness is right there in the Image Adjustment menu. Take it down to -2 if you don't like it on.
[Vibrant General] hitman818:
I saw in the xda developers home page that the desire hd rom has been ported to the milestone. If it is ported to the milestone is it possible to port into the vibrant.
[Vibrant General] DarkAgent:
Is it possible? Yeah probably. The real question is if anyone will attempt to do it.