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[Desire HD General] Maliacrete:
You are talking about 20% better battery but I have a question as I am not aware of the tech in Batteries. The new hd has a capacity of 1230 mAh. The desire has a capacity of 1400 mAh. How can the HD battery be better by 20? sorry for the low IQ question.
[Desire HD General] SupremeBeaver:
because the new processor in the Desire HD uses 45nm technology. This means it runs more power efficient. It uses less power in other words. The regular Desire uses a 65nm processor which eats up more battery.

Also HTC is claiming the SLCD screen uses less battery than Amoled.
[Desire HD General] Maliacrete:
Thank you SupremeBeaver.
[Desire HD General] onesolo:
Also new software can drain less battery, if well written
[Desire HD General] stargator:
Yeah

I am currently running NRG 6.5.x Windows OS and Mattc 1,7 Android on the HD 2 and I can say it is just awesome, since U are bored with the 6.1 ROm U can also try the NRG ROM , makes a world of difference to the HD2.
[Desire HD General] chalid:
Maybe so, but don't think we will see a big improvement here. It depends on so many things and in day by day usage we can see that notebooks with newer processor technology don't necessary run any longer than their predecessors, because of new integrated graphics, other clock speed settings and so on ...

Together with the larger screen and the smaller battery I'm pretty sure we will see the same battery life as with the standard Desire. I wouldn't be surprised if the battery life isn't any better than the HD2s ...
[Desire HD General] porto007:
To bad no front camera :-(

no video phone :-(

best regards

porto
[Desire HD General] MomijiTMO:
Smaller transistor = less power.

I don't think we'll see an improvement in battery life due the the bigger screen.

See the Engadget comparo of the Desires. While not conclusive, they did have worse battery life with the S-LCD Desire.

I still wouldn't call this next gen, rather a nice catch up. Hummingbird is built on a 45nm process and had a significantly better gpu so it's about time Qualcomm did something :p. I'm looking forward to seeing the true next gen Qualcomm SoCs next year and can't wait to have them in my netbook (bye bye Atom!).
[Desire HD General] override182:
does this phone has a notification LED on the front? i did not notice any..
[Desire HD General] MomijiTMO:
I didn't check for that...

:S

Looks like it's to the right of the ear speaker grill.
[Desire HD General] override182:
i noticed the LED is on the right ear speaker grill on the DesireZ in the hands-on video, but i did not notice it on the DesireHD
[Desire HD General] SupremeBeaver:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P_kR39O_E4

if you go to 2:28 you can see the LED.
[Desire HD General] Erroneus:
I've done some fast benchmarks on this Desire HD I got my hands on.

Getting 18xx in Quandrant, the "old" Desire scored 11xx. The 3D is defiently faster, but also the more ram and what seems to be faster internal storage, helps a lot.

Running sunspider browser test - less is better:

Desire HD: 4296.6ms

Desire: 5770.6ms
[Desire HD General] SupremeBeaver:
impressive scores. Could u run the GPU benchmark Neocore so we can see how it stacks up to the Galaxy S which gets 55 fps.
[Desire HD General] krazcom:
correction

there is only 1.5 GB internal memory
[Desire HD General] Erroneus:
More numbers.

Linkpack - More is better:

Desire HD: 35.872

Desire: 33.082

BencmarkPI - Less is better:

Desire HD: 1163ms

Deshire: 1260

Neocore - More is better:

Desire HD: 56 FPS

Desire: 27.8 FPS
[Desire HD General] SupremeBeaver:
holy crap at the Neocore score!! The Desire HD scores just higher than Galaxy S. wow!
[Desire HD General] Erroneus:
Second run of Neocore

Desire HD: 55.7 FPS

Desire: 27.6 FPS

Looking good :)
[Desire HD General] Erroneus:
Last numbers:

An3DBench - More is better:

Desire HD:

High object count: 23.38 FPS

High Polygon count: 47.43 FPS

Game level: 55.80 FPS

Total score: 6607

Desire:

High object count: 18.07 FPS

High Polygon count: 23.58 FPS

Game level: 28.40 FPS

Total score: 4587
[Desire HD General] SupremeBeaver:
nice info mate! thanks!

edit: since you have a hold of the phone, could u shoot a 720p clip and tell us the framerate it runs at. preferably in good lighting conditions. And if possible could u upload the clip?
[Desire HD General] override182:
Could you please run a quadrant pro test please? Im sure many wanna see what is improved such as GPU score , I/O, and CPU score .. the free quadrant only shows the total.. quadrant pro show a lil more details
[Desire HD General] override182:
and any multitouch test please :) :) :)
[Desire HD General] Super Galaxy S:
My Samsung Galaxy S has 6631 and Pointer Location, Samsung Galaxy S - 6 fingers. How many fingers Desire HD can have?
[Desire HD General] Erroneus:
I did do a 720p recording with default settings and FPS was stable at 30 pretty much all the time. It did drop down to 28-29 ish, when I was shaking the phone a lot though :)

I will up video later.

Will do a quadrant advanced now.

Multitouch seems to work fine, anything specific in mind?
[Desire HD General] Darkyy:
Multi-Touch Test @pocketpc.ch
[Desire HD General] Erroneus:
Ah, can track up to four fingers at the same without problems.

Quadrant Advanced test:

Full score: 1967

Sub scores

CPU - 4651

Memory - 1119

IO - 3241

2D - 276

3D - 546
[Desire HD General] override182:
screenshots would be gorgeous but thanks anyway for the effort :p .. nice score i must say..
[Desire HD General] Erroneus:
Sorry can't post pictures, it's a borrowed test phone :)
[Desire HD General] override182:
Its ok mate :) .. Those detailed results showed that Desire HD improved in 2D and 3D compared to the 1st gen snapdragon. DroidX and GalaxyS beats still via the I/0 (lagfix~) and the memory test.. CPU wise, snapdragon chips still rules..
[Desire HD General] SupremeBeaver:
wow constant 30 fps? This is very impressive. Im looking forward to the upload. I would suggest uploading to mediafire because we wont get any compression or download limits.

But anyway this phone just keeps getting better and better. No multi-touch problems, solid gpu benchmarks, solid camera, improved cpu, etc

i cant wait!
[Desire HD General] onesolo:
And what about gps lag?!?!

Please can someone test this??

I don't want to buy another HTC with a gps lag (my Touch HD has it, so my previous Touch Pro...)

Oh, and I found out that although the microsd card is under the battery cover, it's not under the battery like on EVO!!! Hurray for that...
[Desire HD General] TNStrangelove:
Is it possible you could give us some general impressions of the phone? How responsive the screen feels for example. Just generally what you think of it overall.
[Desire HD General] hoss_n2:
on hd2 we got about 32 fps
[Desire HD General] Erroneus:
It feels really nice with the alu body, the big screen makes browsing and pretty much everything real easy. The colors on the screen are a tad weaker then on the Desire, but frankly I don't see it as a big problem, as the colors on AMOLED screens sometimes almost seems to vibrant and almost artificially. The screen is really responsive, I haven't had any problems at all with it picking up my slides.

What I really like about it, is the speed, it really feels faster in lots of stuff and I love the 1½ GB internal storage, which means you don't have to worry to much about apps not supporting app2sd or doesn't do it properly.

The camera is great, the fast boot is great, the new features in Sense are super and it does seem to be on par with the the Desire in how fast the battery is used, so thats fine.

I'm not sure if I'm going to upgrade from my current Desire to Desire HD though, the difference is differently there, a big one. But I'm not sure I can justify the upgrade to my wallet :) If I was on anything older then the Desire, it would be an easy choice, brilliant phone.

Vid will be up in a couple of hours.
[Desire HD General] YDardeer:
Can you please tell us about the audio quality in the camcorder. The Desire records audio at 8k Hz if I'm correct (please ignore if its not correct), while the original Droid for example is 14k.
[Desire HD General] Galaid:
let's wait for first capture that Erroneus promised to upload soon...
[Desire HD General] Erroneus:
Sorry for the delay, my bed was to tempting :)

Upping right now to megaupload.

Oh and looks like Audio is 64Kbps

Format : MPEG-4
Format_Profile : 3GPP Media Release 4
CodecID : 3gp4
FileSize/String : 54.1 MiB
Duration/String : 1mn 14s
OverallBitRate/String : 6 074 Kbps
LawRating : (empty)
Released_Date : 0
Encoded_Date : UTC 2010-09-17 14:32:58
Tagged_Date : UTC 2010-09-17 14:32:58
Classification : (empty)

Video
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Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format_Profile : Main@L3.1
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Format_Settings_RefFrames/String : 1 frame
CodecID : avc1
CodecID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration/String : 1mn 14s
BitRate_Mode/String : Variable
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Height/String : 720 pixels
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FrameRate_Mode/String : Variable
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ChromaSubsampling : 4:2:0
BitDepth/String : 8 bits
ScanType/String : Progressive
Bits-(Pixel*Frame) : 0.217
StreamSize/String : 53.5 MiB (99%)
Language/String : English
Encoded_Date : UTC 2010-09-17 14:32:58
Tagged_Date : UTC 2010-09-17 14:32:58

Audio
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Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec
Format_Version : Version 4
Format_Profile : LC
Format_Settings_SBR/String : No
CodecID : 40
Duration/String : 1mn 14s
BitRate_Mode/String : Constant
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Channel(s)/String : 1 channel
ChannelPositions : Front: C
SamplingRate/String : 44.1 KHz
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[Desire HD General] Erroneus:
Here you go. In the second video I was messing around with the focus a lot. Do note the phone is running a beta firmware.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=2GF8LHFH (54 MB)

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=S6DCCZTP (130 MB)
[Desire HD General] Smartmob:
Ok, this looks like a really nice video file. Almost perfect... Downloading too see it :)
[Desire HD General] SupremeBeaver:
downloading now. looking forward to watching :)
[Desire HD General] Galaid:
can anyone paste what bitrates desireSD pushing with cyan rom at that res?
[Desire HD General] neigo:
but why is it 3gp? and not mp4 like the HD2?

in mp4 ... it would be a smaller file size ... iirc ... ir am i wrong?
[Desire HD General] kersh:
Here we go

pink tint again with crappy video quality. Hello galaxy S!

Clearly HTC wasn't expecting a real rival in high end android phones and have lost the leadership.

Why anyone could want this phone instead a Droid X or a Galaxy?

Thanks for all Erroneus!
[Desire HD General] Erroneus:
You are wrong :) The codec is still MPEG4, the file extension doesn't change that.

--

Rapidshare mirror:

http://rapidshare.com/files/419819995/VIDEO0001.3gp.html

http://rapidshare.com/files/419820032/VIDEO0004.3gp.html

--

PEOPLE REMEMBER THIS IS A BETA FIRMWARE!! and I suck at recording :)

Also both videos wasn't done under the most perfect lighting conditions.

I think it's decent for a beta firmware, the FPS is stable.
[Desire HD General] umd:
Not bad imo, altough it's a beta firmware.

Thanks for the videos Erroneus :)
[Desire HD General] kersh:
Beta firmware ha!

Some people never learn from HTC.

This firmware may be a beta, but all the devices are now with a final firmware. At two weeks of the launch do you still think that the phones have not yet been built?

What we can see in erroneus phone it is what we will see in the street phone and HTC doesnt have a good record fixing problems.
[Desire HD General] SupremeBeaver:
i think the quality isnt bad at all. it maintains a stable framerate which is very important. the original desire could only do up to 22fps. Im very satisfied with the quality.

my only problem is the way the camera adjusts to light changes. It seems to go from light to dark, and vice versa really quickly.
[Desire HD General] Erroneus:
Agree, that was my only concern also. But I'm pretty sure this will be adjusted. I didn't get the time to play around with settings in the camera app, which has a new menu system.
[Desire HD General] Spybreak:
Sorry but the quality is crap. It basically looks exactly like on the Desire, but in 720p resolution. It's like they didn't even bother to get a better sensor on the device. Look at how the light metering jumps and isn't even smooth. The colors are washed out and it has that "cellphone" look.

This is 2010, smartphones are supposed to be media devices and having a decent camera on board is essential. How can they want to compete with the iPhone 4 or even the Galaxy S when their camera is awful compared to them.

Can we see some still pic samples? Maybe those will be better, but what a dissapointment so far. Is it really so hard for HTC to get it right?
[Desire HD General] Smartmob:
Can you please record 20sec video but in VGA resolution...maybe the quality will be better. VGA resolution with 30fps and nice quality would be perfect for phone.
[Desire HD General] Galaid:
Spybreak, do you have links of unedited captures of GalaxyS in 720p action? I'm not defending HTC, just to compare...

I've seen the clip Erroneus posted, it's definately better than DesireSD.
[Desire HD General] Erroneus:
Sorry I don't have the phone anymore and I didn't had the time to play around with still pictures and lower resolutions.

I should properly had done some indoors videos also with better lighting conditions, but simply didn't had the time.

Again I must warn against doing to much of conclusions, when the software is still beta and it was defiantly beta. We have seen from earlier HTC phones, that the camera was improved from beta to final.
[Desire HD General] bratfink:
Screen

Did you happen to see whether the screen was SLCD or LCD, because LCD would be a HUGE let down for a top of the range smart phone of this day and age,
[Desire HD General] Erroneus:
I'm pretty sure that was SLCD. The colors were less vibrant then on my AMOLED Desire, the dark less dark, but icons and text were a tad more sharp.
[Desire HD General] Spybreak:
I don't have any filmed by myself, but you can easily find some on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqUjSu6GP_o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fI5qorj6XCw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9AIh68E_ig

Colors look a lot nicer and more natural, everything is smoother and light metering doesn't jump all over the place.

I had high hopes for the Desire HD, but this is definitely not looking too good for HTC.
[Desire HD General] danishnicooo:
one the HTC page it says 1.5 gb internal not 4
[Desire HD General] BigMango:
In one of the london event videos, we can see an HTC sales rep say that "it's 2Gb internal, which minus the installed apps leaves 1.5Gb available". So I guess that's why they put 1.5 Gb in the specs.
[Desire HD General] override182:
i saw a system info snap and it says 1GB internal available free..
[Desire HD General] Galaid:
Well, the comparision based on different lightning and moving objects is subjective. With some tuning, DHD will be close to SGS.
[Desire HD General] override182:
btw guys, the earpiece is designed long.. really? They say that this phone is packed with bigger sound, better quality in bring better media experience. This can be heard from their chief innovation officer in this video at 25:40 onwards : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBkyhKpJ57U

Apparently, i noticed that the Verizon rumored Desire HD dosent have a back speaker, the front earpiece looks like the only place for sound output
[Desire HD General] kersh:
I prefer the "beta" version case.

In other side, SRS and dolby it is complete bull****, we need some chip that can handle sound output with great quality like Galaxy or iphone, and looking the other htc phones, I think that the desire hd will have the same crappy sound quality.
[Desire HD General] override182:
the "beta" does not have a back speaker hole.. is it possible sound came out from that long wide earpiece?
[Desire HD General] xspyda:
... or the Nokia 5800 - which beats all of the above in terms of sound quality!

If the HD has the same speaker as the Desire they may as well just not have bothered. These phones are becoming more and more media capable, streaming media is becoming ever more popular and HTC do not seem to be stepping up to this.

Currently I am swinging towards HTC from Nokia but if that speaker is as crap as previous models I may seriously re-consider!
[Desire HD General] Smartmob:
That SRS Dolby is only when you insert speakers in 3.5mm Then the sound is high quality...
[Desire HD General] kersh:
I was talking of the headphones sound quality not the speaker of the phone to hear the ring of calls.
[Desire HD General] kersh:
Dolby mobile and SRS are only software to emulate 3D sounds.

We need a higher output quality by hardware or we will hear the same crappy sound of all others HTC phones.
[Desire HD General] xspyda:
Ok, but if other manufacturers can achieve decent audio from the in built speaker why not HTC too? You're not telling me you are happy to don a pair of headphones every time you want to listen to audio from your phone?

Yep, I wouldn't expect dolby output from a single speaker built into the phone
[Desire HD General] kersh:
Im sorry but yes.

I am not a chav, If I want to listen music I dont see why 20 people around me have to hear it too, and I want quality, I allways have in my pocket a pair of sennheiser IE8.
[Desire HD General] xspyda:
Each to their own. I wouldn't agree that wanting to use the speaker on the phone makes anyone a chav though - sure there are chavs that blast out their 'music' within earshot of everyone but there are also times when you might just want to listen to an audio clip, a podcast maybe or a short video on youtube following a link sent through email or the like. In this situation, when the viewing / listening will be a couple of mins max I do NOT want to be fishing for a pair of headphones!

As I say, the Galaxy S, iPhone and some Nokia's all perform adequately and in some cases admirably therefore I see no reason why HTC cannot at least match them.
[Desire HD General] porto007:
Hi all,

Mobile-Review.com had a first look and the build quality is disappointing.

best regards
[Desire HD General] xspyda:
Thanks porto ... direct link

Have to say I'm not that impressed by the 8mp cam.
[Desire HD General] SupremeBeaver:
to be fair the lighting seems to be a little bad.

Its interesting that the reviewer likes the screen better than the SGS SAmoled. He says it has better viewing angles and is very bright.

Also he seems to really dislike the patches on the back. I think it makes the device look stylish. But that's my opinion.
[Desire HD General] xspyda:
Bad lighting or not, I don't think we can expect miracles from the cameras of the new HTC - as pointed out in the preview, this is only to be expected after previous devices.

Having had the Galaxy S for a short time I can say that the screen is just brilliant so if this trumps it then the HD could be a very nice device dspite the uncertainty surrounding the screen type.

I may be wrong or it may be the angle of that shot but from that preview, the HD2 actually looks SMALLER than the HD!

Design wise I guess that's just down to preference but I can kinda see where the reviewer is coming from with that one.
[Desire HD General] Galaid:
Have you tried to use Sennheisers on Desire? It sounds better than any iPhone/iPod with white original earphones.
[Desire HD General] kersh:
Of course that sound better, because the original earphones are a crap of 1$.

But I dont use that earphones, so using good ones, I4 and galaxy vs htc crap, well pretty obvious.

Desire sounds very bad, HD2 the same, nexus one too. The only phones with good quality are i4 and galaxy, I really really hope that Desire hd with the new snapdragon and SRS etc comes with a good quality too, but I really doubt it.
[Desire HD General] Gig11gs:
if you have HTC Desire HD or had it please conform Does it have LCD or SLCD?
[Desire HD General] WM_Rizzo:
Me thinks so too.
[Desire HD General] onesolo:
x2!!!

I don't get it why they now insist to put the 3.5 headset on the donwside of the phone...
[Desire HD General] GeoMil:
Any word on the battery life yet?

That is my real concern. The Evo has a bigger battery, (given older CPU), but reports about that battery life are VERY poor.

HTC Legend is what I would call 'fair' and I could live with that, but if you can't get a day's use, I think i may have to go and get 'you know what' :/
[Desire HD General] Volker1:
Given that its 90% of the nominal battery capacity of the non-HD desire / nexus one but with some improved circuitry, I'm pretty sure that it'll last just about as long.

So it'll get you through the day, but for hiking in the woods you shoud pack your dumbphone ;-)
[Desire HD General] GeoMil:
Yeah but 'getting through the day' is my concern.

I have a Legend now, and after tweaking it and underclocking (when screen off), I get 'acceptable' battery life. Any less than this sort of level, (i.e. Evo horror stories), and I think I will have reconsider what I was sure was going to be my next phone.
[Desire HD General] Erroneus:
It's deficiently better then Evo as it will last the day, even without tweaking some of it's new power-saving features, but I wouldn't count on to days with normal usage, not from my experiences with the phone.

To me it was pretty much similar to the old Desire in terms of how often the battery had to be charged.
[Desire HD General] SupremeBeaver:
i remember seeing Power Save in the settings in one video but i forgot all about it. What kind of settings does it include?
[Desire HD General] slateac:
I know we weren't sure about the Desire HD having an SLCD because of the reposted video and specs whatever so I emailed HTC regarding the issue,

apparently its still SLCD, which supposedly is a good thing.

img543.imageshack.us/img543/879/capturebx.png

(i cant post outside links, you just have to copy yourself)
[Desire HD General] willk22:
I like! :)
[Desire HD General] RoadHazard:
Could just be an uninformed customer service rep (those are not uncommon), but I of course hope this is true. It would be a shame if this glorious HTC flagship model gets a regular old LCD.
[Desire HD General] SupremeBeaver:
Me happy boy! (if true)
[Desire HD General] Gig11gs:
wooooot! nice!
[Desire HD General] madindehead:
If you go on gsmarena.com it says Super LCD in the specs there :p 16 million colours :D
[Desire HD General] jords12:
That would be great. Still a lot of conflicting information on this, I wonder if we will know for sure before people get the first phones and take a look inside!
[Desire HD General] ziggazee:
Its pretty much been confirmed that its just LCD, the official htc video was taken down because it said SLCD and now they've re uploaded it.. but now it doesn't mention SLCD it just says high res

I cant post outside links so you'll have to copy n paste

youtube.com/watch?&gl=US&client=mv-google&hl=en-GB&v=GHO9A9Zf5g8&nomobile=1
[Desire HD General] Gig11gs:
because SLCD is a brand not owned by HTC that's why they cant announce it in official commercial because that will get them in trouble you can see all HTC phone never used the world SLCD in any official commercial or BOX.

like this video of the desire here they removed AMOLED from the box and didn't add anything!

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1rxkVaPjuk[/YOUTUBE]

and these phones who we know they have SLCD

http://www.htc.com/www/product/desirez/specification.html

http://www.htc.com/www/product/desire/specification.html

http://www.htc.com/www/product/nexusone/specification.html

go search all of HTC website or press release you will never find them use the word SLCD in any "official" statement.

that's why they pulled up the video they didn't want to get sued...

but unofficially people who work in HTC can tell you that because its not advertisement! its customer information apparently they can get away with that!