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[Epic 4G General] Six-Deuce:
While I can be a LOT more patient with stuff, and thats because I am too trusting... I have been lately getting more and more aware that some things were overlooked with this phone.

I'm still hoping though, but I got screwed with the Instinct, from.. wait for it, Samsung, because that was supposed to be the first phone to challenge the iPhone and NOTHING, i mean NOTHING ever came out for it. That phone required reboot a year after it came out for some of the dumb issues, cause it wasn't ever updated, and then it was just flat out not really supported with apps like it was supposed to.

Then I got the Pre (diff company I know) but that was the next iPhone killer, and no apps (besides independent minor developing) for 6 months, while Palm and Sprint sat on their asses deciding to not allow developers to work on the Pre for that time for no reason. Result was after a good launch, people got tired and new phones started coming in.

Now this phone has only been out less than 3 weeks and already got an update, which feels to me that it did help the battery some while using 3G, but I gotta test it out some more. I'll be patient with this one, but it's the last device I get and hang on to if it has certain issues from the get go, because you're right j3ff, I think that all the time too, that people that are cool with a product that is mediocre from the get go is the reason why the US has so many crappy things out before they should be, it's also why Europe and Asia are 3 - 5 years ahead in diff tech areas (devices or services).
[Epic 4G General] remedy22:
The popularity of the evo has absolutely nothing to do with the issues that the epic has.
[Epic 4G General] mekeke:
Dear god, why don't you call Samsung up and ask them then?

I have to admit, my phone does have some problems with it.

But I deal with them. By far this is one of the best phones I've ever had.
[Epic 4G General] bomix:
Every one who buys the epic right aways does beta testing for them. They know it. This is real world testing for them. Just have to deal with it. Yeah it sucks
[Epic 4G General] Six-Deuce:
Yea I have to agree that the Evo being constantly sold out has nothing to do with the Epic.. What it is, is that Samsung makes the HTC Evo screens. And with them having other devices to make screens for, they only have so many to go around extra for the Evo, especially since its a slightly bigger than normal screen. This means, whenever Samsung decides to toss some screens HTCs way, they do, otherwise their own devices are a priority. And since Samsung makes the Epic AND the S-AMOLED screens there's no shortage of screens for their own device, hence a lot more Epics on hand. I am surprised that HTC didn't go for the S-Amoled screen too, I think that would have turned the tide for some owners.
[Epic 4G General] J3ff:
Dear god, you are the problem, you deal with them and pay major amounts of MONEY and you're just OK with that.

Sure it's a good phone, but phones up to THREE OR FOUR years OLDER both upload FASTER then the epic and have a full fledged working gps.

Also - I did call samsung and sprint, just like I hope all others will, there is NO REASON to just lay down and "dont worry" about major flaws in a flagship device.
[Epic 4G General] mekeke:
1: I do not pay major amounts of money, I got my Epic as a replacement for my broken HTC Evo.

2:I do not recall the older phones having a GPS four years ago.

Your logic is flawed.
[Epic 4G General] usfslacker:
This topic largely turned into what I expected it to...

Yes, Americans are completely willing to deal with broken crap as long as they can tie some fanboy fervor to it. Seriously, all you people in here berating OP here because he doesn't really LIKE the fact that he pays top dollar to beta test things need to grow the hell up. There was a topic like this on the Sprint forums where one particular poster was defending the 150kbps upload cap because he claims to never need to upload anything. It doesn't matter if YOU care about the issue, all that matters is that its there and that it happens to be a couple of issues that should not make it out of beta testing.

Geez, I thought the Xbox 360 was the end of this acceptance of unacceptably broken crap.
[Epic 4G General] J3ff:
Then you haven't been in the high end phone game for 4 years.
[Epic 4G General] mekeke:
Funny thing is, I have. I bought the original iphone, and I dont remember that having a GPS.
[Epic 4G General] J3ff:
It really is crazy to me. Like i said at my job, if stuff doesn't work I don't go home, EVER. Doesn't matter what it is. How can a big company like Samsung let their designers and people who actually give life to the phone leave and go home if the day before they ship them to sprint everything isn't at least CLOSE to 100%
[Epic 4G General] Six-Deuce:
I bought a pocket PC 6700 like 5 years ago, had Naviagtion, and before that I had a phone that had Navigation I believe too. So your problem was the iPhone didn't have, not devices not having GPS
[Epic 4G General] usfslacker:
Lol, you mean the original iPhone that failed to ship with 3G support at a time when entry level Nokia's had 3G? The iPhone hasn't been the best phone shipped that year for any of its releases. That gentleman said HIGH end.
[Epic 4G General] J3ff:
Really ? I've never owned an Iphone but I know for sure that I've had a phone with a gps inside it for at least 4 years.

The epic is the first phone for me (that has a gps) that will tell me "your location is unavailable."
[Epic 4G General] elguapo76:
I couldn't agree more with this post. Coming from an HTC Hero there were some major bugs on that phone when it got released. Most finally got fixed about 3 months into ownership, but for 3 months I was paying for service on a gimped phone. Now that my upgrade time is rolling around I was looking at the Epic and the bugs on these things are more like vultures. There is no way in my opinion that Samsung and Sprint could not have known about the GPS, 3g issues, and battery drain issues. Yet they decided to release it the way it is and then from looking at people's comments when they call Sprint refuse to acknowledge the issues. Some people have even commented that they have been made to feel like they are to blame which is even more appalling. So like you I ask myself how did we get to this point? I can understand minor bugs, but the issues being let slide are so much more than that. Then there are the people that just form such an emotional bond with a device that just seem to accept to take the ABUSE that these companies are getting away with. For the sake of accountability I really hope a lawyer looks into the issues with the Epic and takes up a class action lawsuit. I know we will be lucky to ever see a dime of any winnings but at least it will make Sprint, Samsung, HTC etc. think twice about releasing a blatantly faulty device.
[Epic 4G General] mekeke:
Trust me, you never want to own an iphone..:l

My epic gives me that error every once in a while. But so far, the GPS on this thing has been perfect.
[Epic 4G General] itsmebryan:
The reason you get the people that are sick of the rants is all new tech has a few issuse. Name all the new tech that came out day one with no problems? Go to the evo thread and read about all the complaints when it came out. The evo has been sold out for a long time so that doesn't mean much about the epic being in the stores and no evo.

What about all the thing the "phone" does well? You can talk on it, surf the net, it plays game,take good pictures, makes good vdos, fast , and runs apps great . You complain about a 150k upload cap. I guess you never had to deal with a 36k modem on your pentium 90mhz desktop with a 500mb hdd all for the low price of $1600. Mabye you are too young to remember how things use to be. I'm amazed by every new advancement.

This "phone" is the fastest phone out(I dont have any lag and I dont have a bunch of widgets) and I only have and faster then alot of net books out there. It's slim( compaired to my HTC fuze,tilt, tp2, 8125) So, now which phone are you going to get ? and for you to say this is no a huge leap from a tp2 is amazing. I tried all of those custom roms and they all have a bug the you have to put up with and none make the tp2 running half as well as the epic. this is comming from a long time HTC/winmo fayboy. This phoe beats everything out there now hands down. We have to wait to see if winphone7 is any good. sorry for the rant
[Epic 4G General] Blitzpwnage:
I see all this complaning, but where is the action? I think people need to call Sprint and Samsung and tear them a new one. I am not as upset as you guys but I am going to by a Sprint store today and I am going to go in and complain. Stuff like this happens, and no that is not the usual cliche and no it is not because of people like me that this does keep happening. Look at the EVO look at the iPhone, Xbox 360 anyone? Ps3 has the YLOD, I have had numerous Video Cards that when I bought them a capacitor was blown, and I had to return it. It isnt fanboyism. I am not some Hammer Legion Member, that arguement is just insane to even say. Yes, I believe people have pride in their device, but to justify a 150kbps upload speed, that person is just a troll, I fanboy troll to be exact. Dont lump people together so easily. I could easily call you guys whining little babies, but I have read your posts and see why you are pissed. And the problems here will be addressed in due time, just be patient. I realize they should have been addressed BEFORE launch. But not everything that goes through ISO is perfect. I actually am on my second EPIC and the owner of the radioshack I went to used to work for ISO and he said it was perfectly fine I was returning my phone, and I was like "damn right it is, I paid good money for this", he was a really cool guy and when I presented him with my problem he saw it right away, even when the other guy behind the counter didnt, turned out the other guy was a Palm Pre owner and was on his 10th one. I couldnt imagine how piseed you would be j3ff if you had a Palm Pre :P , I actually almost got one for $100 bucks but decided to save my money.
[Epic 4G General] J3ff:
If you enable "wireless networks" it's fine. If you restart your phone a lot it's also fine and if you leave your gps on all day it also works just fine.

However - I want the REAL gps chip to do the work. I don't want to leave gps on 24/7 and I also don't want to be forced to restart the phone to make something work on it that has worked flawlessly on much more lowly devices.

I use my phone out on the water as a chartplotter and out there "wireless networks" does nothing for me.
[Epic 4G General] J3ff:
How old I am doesn't change the fact that TWO companies set out to develop an amazing experience and they did NOT come through on launch day. I'm 30 I had a laptop when I was 13 - yes I remember getting a 56k modem and thinking i was awesome. Still does NOT change the fact that releasing these phones (Evo and Epic) with MAJOR flaws is NOT something that we should be content with.

Please read again, I said the epic is 100x (or one hundred times) better then the touch pro 2. I had all different roms on my TP2 and they All were awful compared to the epic.

This phone honestly doesn't beat the iphone 4 right now. The iphone4 uploads faster, lasts longer battery wise and has a 100% working GPS.

If they fix those problems with the epic then maybe I'd agree that "HANDS DOWN IT BEATS THE IPHONE"
[Epic 4G General] Six-Deuce:
Blitz I think what he means by some people get to the fanboy stage is that whole 150 kpbs stage, or like the guy that just mentioned how things used to be. I understand the whole 56K but we are all paying a lot of money monthly and to buy the device to be able to do certain things. 56K was all that was available back then, now it's different. Just because 150K is more than 56K doesn't make it ok, considering the speed is supposed to be much faster than that. Sprint and Samsung arent going "Ahh, we see all these issues, and since it limits the phone to a certain degree, here's 50 bucks back for your troubles." So why should we pay the money and be ok. That is bothersome.
[Epic 4G General] mekeke:
Yes, but does the Epic loose service when you hold it a certain way? ;)
[Epic 4G General] Blitzpwnage:
Oh, I was in no way justifying the 150kbps, at all. I think that is just attrocious. What I was doing was calling the person who DID justify it a fanboy troll. Sorry, my wording can sometimes be pretty sloppy, one of my downsides. Sigh, I really hope I have a good speech writer when running for office.
[Epic 4G General] J3ff:
Right, and in staying with the spirit of this thread.

Guess what, the guy who designed the iphone4 (or the head guy in charge of it) and the awful antenna design NO LONGER HAS A JOB.

Which is exactly what should have happened.

Which should happen with EVERY SINGLE PERSON who tested the Epic's gps and upload speed!

http://friskymongoose.com/iphone-4-designer-leaves-apple-following-antennagate/
[Epic 4G General] mekeke:
I don't think the testers should loose their jobs though, they are just doing their job by testing. I think the person who should loose their job is the person that said: "Well, the GPS has some problems, and the upload speed isnt the greatest. But lets release it anyways!"
[Epic 4G General] styckx:
Let's no forget the fact this thing should have come with a clip on nuclear reactor to power it.
[Epic 4G General] greengoldmello:
On this subject, actually, all of the galaxy s phones ive had (vibrant, epic) have lost plenty of signal when held at the bottom, similar to the problem with the nexus one. I cant keep a 4g signal for anything when i pick it up, and its driving me up a wall the second day i have it. Probably going back in the mail this week..
[Epic 4G General] mekeke:
I've been holding my phone different ways all morning to test and see if it lost signal, I haven't noticed a drop in signal at all.
[Epic 4G General] Blitzpwnage:
I jsut emailed Sprint and Samsung about these issues and directly linked them to threads of pissed of consumers :)

Hopefully I get a good and quick response. I will post the replies when I receive them!
[Epic 4G General] jfenton57:
You're correct...

The "dear god why are you complaining" complacency is exactly why manufactures thing they can get away with the crap.

The "this phone works so much better than my old phone" is an invalid excuse. Personally, I think if they put something out with issues, they should compensate the users for putting up with the hassle and lost time of dealing with the unsatisfactory product or service.

Same reason our government lies to us and watches out for themselves and not the people who elected them.

Laziness to stand up for ones consumer rights and complacency on our part.

Rather simple IMHO.
[Epic 4G General] LordLugard:
I guess i'm one of the few with working GPS. From day one my GPS has worked 100%, either with Navigation or CoPilot Live, that's that.

The 150kbps upload speed cap bug is weird indeed. We need to hear from them why that is.

Battery drain on 3G is vexing too, but i manage and get by a whole day.

Those are the only 2 bugs that affect me. Once again, my GPS works 100% (lucky me i guess), so you might have a bad phone. Swap it out and see.

Overall, the Epic is the best phone i've ever had. Beats anything else. Very satisfied.
[Epic 4G General] greengoldmello:
Its maily with 4g enabled. As soon as I pick up the phone it says "4g disconected"
[Epic 4G General] DevilDogVIKING:
I agree. The majority of these phones work perfect. Mine does. There will always be some bad apples, just like people. Just return the phone and get a different one.
[Epic 4G General] Dameon87:
Jeez. Another crying baby thread. These are getting annoying.

To the OP:

Mobile phone developers more than likely do not have huge trial runs of their hardware before it is released. They have limited resources, and are staked with timelines.

It happens; suck it up and stop acting like a 12 year old. "Oh my phone isn't perfect! Someone should get fired!"

Yeah, it needs a fix; big deal. The phone mainly just needs a radio update, and the move to Froyo would likely solve the other issues. Just stop your griping and whining. In all honesty, no one wants to hear it.

+1 for a QQ section.
[Epic 4G General] mekeke:
Thank you!

Sent from the city of Rapture!
[Epic 4G General] InfDaMarvel:
It turns out that most if not all hardware and software are going to run into problems. Nobody is a god here, things cannot be created without knowing there is a chance fo error.
[Epic 4G General] noahgray:
In my opinion, this problem will persist for as long as companies are set up the way they are. People just don't take pride in their work anymore, cause it's no longer their work. They get orders barked at them from people up top, and most people just want to give the bare minimum and get out of there on time each day. I don't blame them. Companies need to empower their workers more and dismantle the hierarchies of authority that make the job and the work seem mundane. Google is one company that does this very well, and as everyone knows, Google's sites are always operating faster and faster. Employees take pride in the work, because it's almost all decided by the employees themselves what gets done.
[Epic 4G General] J3ff:
No - the majority of the phones do NOT WORK PERFECT!!! :mad::mad::mad::mad:

150k upload IS NOT PERFECT. Relying on Wireless access points for your GPS LOCATION is NOT PERFECT.

Both of my old windows mobile phones were HORRIBLE but they did these two MAJOR functions PERFECTLY !!

Neither one of you have perfect phones, you just haven't realized IT YET!! :rolleyes:
[Epic 4G General] J3ff:
You are weak and pathetic, the reason that these developers and manufactures get away with this bull**** is because of people like you! You just lay over and don't care about it.

It is NOT OK TO SELL SOMEONE A 500 dollar phone THAT CANNOT PERFORM to what it is ADVERTISED AS!

If this doesn't get fixed ever, I will be part of the class action suit against samsung and sprint, even if I only get a 3 dollar coupon.

Right now I'm sitting on my boat typing this out - when I bought it I expected it to float and go forward and had a radio that played tunes, as it was advertised.

If boat companies operated like Samsung and sprint my boat would only go in reverse and 1 out of 4 speakers would play tunes. Then an update would come out for the boat and all of a sudden there'd be a huge hole in the floor leaking water (some of my PAID APPS dissapeared with the update last night).

This is 100% bull**** that the consumer has to be a beta tester. Stop being an apologist.
[Epic 4G General] othan1:
Everything evolves. Everything.

I'm older and I long for the days where everything was built by people who cared about what they did. Products were practically flawless and when they weren't, companies listened to their clients and user base.

That was then. This is now.

To the younger crowd, this is normal and is how it's always been. They will not hear what we older folk say. It's like their dad telling them about the days of nickel candy and such. Nice story, pops, but that was a long time ago.

I don't like it but I'm not going to waste my time hitting my head on a wall that I cannot change. I'll adapt and overcome.
[Epic 4G General] mekeke:
Jeez, your making a big deal over a phone OP. If you have this much of a problem with an electronic device. RETURN IT. There is no reason to act like this. No reason at all. Technology will always have its flaws. Your just going to have to get used to them.

Sent from the city of Rapture!
[Epic 4G General] jfenton57:
Apathy and the acceptance to let everyone screw you.

That's whgy manufacturers get away with the the "wah wah they only have limited resources and they have limited time" is utter crap when they are making a fortune.

Just the way the younger generation looks at the world these days.

Evidently it makes them feel good to let someone like Samsung and Sprint abuse them.
[Epic 4G General] Jabrilli:
honestly i hav no problem with my Epic except the long charge times
[Epic 4G General] DevilDogVIKING:
You're an idiot bro. Those two "MAJOR" functions do work perfectly on my phone, never had a problem with either. I haven't had any problems with this phone, just some apps. If something isn't functioning on you phone, exchange it instead of looking like an idiot while using a broken phone.
[Epic 4G General] J3ff:
I'm the idiot and you're the one resorting to name calling and you don't use correct grammar. Ok bub. :rolleyes:

First of all. Prove me wrong RIGHT NOW and post a speed test of your phone on 3g with an upload speed of higher then 150. No I don't mean 151, or even 171. I mean 600-800k/sec upload, like my 2 year old touch diamond gets.

Secondly, in "location and security" turn off "use wireless networks" then launch something that needs the gps. Leave your PHONE ON ALL NIGHT LONG and do NOT manually flush the satellite data.

Tomorrow morning try to use that same GPS thing. It wont work, at all. You'll be staring at your maps while it has no idea where you are.

Those are two major things that samsung released this phone without the proper testing.

Go ahead and prove it that your phone is "flawless," because I assure you it's not.
[Epic 4G General] houkah:
Wow dude, you should really return the phone. Wouldn't the best thing for you to do be to vote with your wallet? Return it and go buy a phone that does everything perfectly as advertised. A phone isn't worth getting this bent out of shape about.
[Epic 4G General] J3ff:
I'm really not that bent out of shape about it, I was out on my boat just hanging out. However half of the people who respond in this thread don't understand the main concept of what I'm trying t convey.

It's not 100% about the epic. It's about how are multiple phones, across all carriers allowed to be released when stuff is clearly broken on them.

The people who say I'm nuts for wanting someone fired over this are clearly insane. Whoever's job it was to make sure the phone performed to what it was advertised did not do their job.

What is so crazy about wishing that person be fired?
[Epic 4G General] mekeke:
Just return the phone and use one of your old ones that are SO MUCH BETTER than the epic. Don't ruin this phone for those who are actually having a good experience it. And if you don't like any of Sprint's phones. Have you ever thought of switching carriers?
[Epic 4G General] J3ff:
Again that is not the point of this thread. You and you're other apologists need to realize what the real issues are here.
[Epic 4G General] mekeke:
You need to work on your grammar. (Its you and your, not you and you're)

And I am not an apologist, I am just sick and tired of seeing these "BAWWW, THIS PHONE SUCKS YOU GUYS" threads every day.
[Epic 4G General] gTen:
In the end it boils down to us consumers EXPECTING something new every time..when dealing with hardware a lot of issues can happen that are unforeseen..lets say the GPS issues..in Korea where they tested it, it may have worked fine..but in other real world scenarios it did not.

In a free market companies try to one up each other..in doing so testing phases are lost..the Galaxy S phone if it was delayed till say October and released then would already be weeks away from facing off against 1.3ghz phones and etc..not saying it can't best those phones but it will be a tougher sell and company would loose money.

In IT software can be pulled out and updated quickly but hardware cannot..so they have to find work around to making the software play nice with the hardware.

But then again most of us came from Winmo..so we are kinda expecting things to be flawed in some way and fixed eventually by manufacturer and the community lol
[Epic 4G General] J3ff:
You are free to not click on them.