yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ugumba:
I agree. I predict that the first few weeks after a MAGLDR beta is made available in these forums, we will be flooded with posts about bricked devices or other problems that are tricky to resolve. Then again, I haven't read much about MAGLDR yet, so I'm probably over-pessimistic.

For all (my) intents and purposes, loading Android on top of WinMo is good enough. I can easily have multiple Android builds installed, I can easily swap kernels, I can multiboot (Exceller), effectively without seeing WinMo, and I have no fear of bricking. Battery life is bearable (~24h with carefully configured management in Tasker). Android has been my only mobile OS for the past 2 months.

The devs deserve all possible kinds of respect and gratitude, but I will not be one of the early adopters - that's for sure. :-)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] nks2105:
well we can only hope that it won't be released until we have bug-free android builds. although I don't use winmo at all, I won't switch to a NAND-roid (see what I did there) immediately just to see how other are doing.

first gen of anything is usually not a wise choice
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] shaolin85:
i am so excited that i am feeling i can't wait anymore!

god give me patience :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Jammie_1989:
Fixing Issues

I don't see whats wrong with getting a NAND boot option first then fixing the current issues. NAND is what most people are after you never know maybe booting straight from nand will fix some of the issues on its own :D Windows mobile is dead. There is nothing that will benefit the average user in windows it is a complete load of sh*t. To be honest hated the HD2 running windows should have looked into it more before embarking on this 24 month journy. So glad all the devs involved have made this phone worth keeping unless I would be out of pocket big time. Thanks guys keep up the good work :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] henv:
Did you guys see the new note on the link:

NOTE3: Expect a release soon. Very soon.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dontw:
Personally I'd just like to boot straight into android...if he could just figure that out I'd still run android from SD
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] the_scotsman:
Where? ...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] byrdman443:
There is definitely some new info up on the link from the first post http://htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Leo/Magldr, forgive me in advance if I was just blind and didnt see it before but I havnt seen this "NAND support in the kernel is done, Cotulla (and team) are working now on bootloader/flasher. " until today. So I guess we are getting close huh?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] the_scotsman:
Ah yea, sounds like we're getting closer :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Gtech145:
I have a rather weird question. Once NAND is released how will we continue to install the updates that get released. Will we have to re-flash everytime or can the update just over write older files. I know it's early to ask but maybe this is why NAND was not release right away. Android although very stable is still a work in progress. The progress has been amazing.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] hidden_hunter:
You will need to flash, similar to windows roms
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] gmontem:
Well I hope that won't be the case. I was hoping there would be an Android recovery console we can have the HD2 boot into, similar to how I update the Cyanogenmod releases on my wife's G1.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] pete777:
Initial NAND development is officially finished and will be released to the public within 24 hours (24/09/10). Please be patient and please understand that this will be an alpha build so as always proceed with caution. :):):)

http://htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Leo/Magldr
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dontw:
this is exciting...cant wait to try it out!!! it like Christmas lol
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] cederron:
No.

Don't need to flash new builds.

As said in previous posts, with Magldr you can boot from SD also.

So you can try new builds from SD without needing to flash.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] hd945157206:
Need official rom to run it? ? ?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] corlygunnz:
Yup..... You don't like it flash it back to windows....

______________________________

Htc-Hd2= T-Mobile US

WM Rom= Energy Barebone

Android= Froyostone V.1

Radio= 2.12.50_2
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] corlygunnz:
Where did you see this at?

______________________________

Htc-Hd2= T-Mobile US

WM Rom= Energy Barebone

Android= Froyostone V.1

Radio= 2.12.50_2
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] zole2112:
Cotulla and his team rock! I really appreciate all of the work done for our HD2's. Contribute if you can, keep the dream alive!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] RReckless:
When a nand is released will the development be stopped for sd boot versions.

i am using android all the time now but i still prefer to have a dual boot.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] inny2:
I doubt it will stop since you have the chance to boot android from SD too so still developers will come up with versions for SD cards. Needless to say that maybe with the new android launcher versions will be the same for nand and SD.

Wait for it :p
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Renegade_Rulez:
I bought this HD2 about a week ago and I never ran WM on it except for starting an android build, the builds are really working well now so a NAND build would be even better would also solve the SD mount problems.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] motorboy-johnny:
And..................

MAGLDR direct boot

Is gone :eek: hahaha Check Cotulla's Tweet by checking the link...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] qipengart:
Cotulla is the main man here. Kudos to him and his team. Now only if I can figure out... hehehe
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Knucklessg1:
I know i know, we can't ask about when its going to release because you don't want to feel pressured, but i just wanted to know if the process of creating MAGLDR took around a year or less?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] AverGo:
Found this on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KciRhnePeU
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] the_scotsman:
Tha's an old video posted by an xda member, rajkosto. Already been discussed in the old HD2 NAND thread :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] oktay50000:
download

where is download link
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] the_scotsman:
Download link for what? Nothing is available yet...:)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] oktay50000:
ive got magldr1082.rar but no password its prtctd
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] the_scotsman:
There's a reason it's password protected...you should not be using it. I suggest you wait until something is publicly released.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] qipengart:
Patience is the key here. I am totally excited about this soon...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] oktay50000:
cant wait........
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Tico.ASandoval14:
Cotulla just released a massive twitter update! on wp7 and nand
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] hendr1k:
no window live its the same as demo, anyway I am not a fan of wp7s. when Microsoft said 5 button is not appropriate for wp7s I'm kinda have a grudge with Microsoft.

but triple boot for HD2 what can you expect more of it.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Seven Goals:
A very good news,oh yeah!!!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Neolo:
When that "SOON from September" will finally happens? :confused:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Samsunguy:
Okay who's the dumb ass

Okay who's the dumb ass that screwed with the website and tells us to click here which takes us to a site with malware. :mad::confused::(
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] luckych:
it has been fixed. took a while thou seems like a spam bot did all the damage, i have deleted all insertions :)

Luckych

p.s if anyone knows the admin for that site want to send me a pm with there contact,
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] BLAST3RR:
The spam was back once again, removed it.

Maybe require captcha confirmation on every edit?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] white-energy:
Скоро! просто трохи терпіння! ;)

(Soon! just have some patience)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] andrewf403:
I do not know, is it legitimate, but http://twitter.com/#!/hd2_android/status/7426595073556480
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mangahoteles:
Woooo Rocks
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] asadali:
is this news authentic i mean he is in cntact with coutella?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] StephanV:
Sorry, not legit. He just repeats stuff cotulla tweets, adding some of his own interpretation.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] asadali:
ya sometimes create confusion.....
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] skysuf:
wow! Awesome news.....and Great cotulla!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Hauk00:
Unless it comes directly from Cotulla: http://twitter.com/CotullaCode

don't trust it... though he does say he plans to release his WP7 stuff which is PARTIALLY working soon, he also says there are delays.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] yamensaleh:
well, this is great news, but there is one question came to my mind, which is:

which build will be flashed to NAND, are they going to make it static build with the loader or we can choose the build we want to be flashed to our phones?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] anap40:
I just hope we can get a CM6 build
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] StephanV:
MAGLDR is just a tool to flash builds (or then to be called roms, probably) to nand memory. You'll still be able to choose whatever you want on it.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dharvey4651:
Yes and no. Current builds will have to be "converted" to nand ROMS. Current releases, as far as I know, will not boot from nand, as-is.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] pack21:
Awesome News!

Cotulla is a Buda.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Hauk00:
Actually completely no, MAGLDR is a second-tier bootloader... it runs right after SPL. For flashing Android roms on to NAND a separate installer was made (see here: http://cotulla.pp.ru/leo/Android/DAF.PNG ). Also the current roms are actually mostly NAND-ready, as long as they are using a current kernel that is, in startup.txt they just need 'set cmdline "nand_boot=1"', MAGLDR replaces HaRET which is the only component actually built strictly for SD card installation use, though something will have to be done with the way the rom is packaged in order for the new installer to take it.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dusty_nz:
Is that 100%. I thought there were factors such as most of the current drivers rely on windows pre-initializing the hardware where with direct boot they also have to initialize the hardware.

Is that all in the kernel?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Beretta93:
Pre initializing part is MAGLDR, and then kernel boots devices with newly developped drivers drivers (that is mostly the reason why it took so much time to deliver).
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] yamensaleh:
not same builds, i guess!!!

ummmmm, but i think there must be a modifications for the current builds, and that because they are using the bath sdcard\whatever, but when it will be on nand they will not use the same path "sdcard" so i dont think we will be able to use the same builds without modifications on it, well we must wait to know d:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Beretta93:
You just have to modify the startup.txt for that...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Cass67:
With magldr there is no startup.txt
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Proz00:
Release Information: TBA

Please feel free to contact the development team about release dates if you wish to slow, or maybe halt, the development process.

:D nice humor
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] stoolzo:
yeah, cant wait to ditch winmo, its been running in the background taking up CPU cycles for weeks now, would be nice to put it to bed finally - will miss the old bugger though :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ElBartoME:
Winmo does not run in the background when using Android.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] 666Duvel666:
You just need Windows to load Android to RAM and then it shuts down. When you're on Android, there's nothing else running on background. ;)

EDIT: I'll miss it to! But just because of CHT 2!! LOL
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] initzero:
strange nothing new on this since September.. all the posts back then seemed to indicate it was coming out within a few weeks or so.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Dust2Dust:
I have to say I was thinking the same lately. I keep myself calm thinking that the Dev's are waiting for gingerbread.... and maybe it takes a lil longer because they also want WM7 at the same time.. and maybe even Maemo ?!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] gianmich:
no.. wp7 maybe.. but maemo just started..

they had a lot o problems with android to be solved thats the reason..
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] hidden_hunter:
or the most likely scenario, it doesn't quite work properly yet and they don't want to brick everyone's phone
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] naps1saps:
This is probably the closest anyone is ever going to get for the time being:

You can download the build but without MAGLDR, it is useless.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KciRhnePeU&feature=related
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] initzero:
I bricked my phone but was able to get out of it, is it possible to perma brick the hd2 by just flashing roms?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mattfmartin:
Yes it is... You didn't brick your phone if you were able to recover it unless you jtag it
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] naps1saps:
lol. I bricked mine by flashing a .50 radio when I'm supposed to use a .51. Called tmo and said my phone wouldn't turn on and they replaced it for a $10 shipping fee. I am soo lucky.

As long as it turns on, you are good. If not, then you have to jtag it which I have not the slightest clue. I know it involves soldering wires and stuff. That's how that kid hacked (unlocked) the first iphone.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jose makalolot:
Hahahaha..50 is for tmous.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] DerBozZ:
Cam someone explain me in simple words what is so special about MAGLDR?

How does it work compared to a native Android device?

What is exactly the difference by a bootet Andorid from NAND with MAGLDR and without MAGLDR? Is there a speed limitation because of the step with MAGLDR cause it cannot boot directly from NAND?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dusty_nz:
MAGLDR is a custom boot loader for the HD2.

As well as booting the std winmo rom it can also boot Android NAND images as well as WinMo 7 images.

It can also direct boot from the SD card.

An impressive piece of work.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] initzero:
I recovered following the thread how to unbrick your phone, but I guess there are multiple levels of bricking :) I would think via the onboard rom you would always be able to recover but seems I thought wrong!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Hauk00:
Its not really bricking unless it quite literally becomes a brick... a paperweight. Something is considered bricked where there is no software fix ie it does not even turn on.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] s14tam:
Technically, it becomes a brick when it is unusable. There are different levels of bricking. If it is broken and you don't know how to fix the phone, it might as well be used as a paper weight hence the term "brick". When you acquire knowledge to fix it and apply it the phone is "unbricked" because the phone regains its intended usefulness.

What you are talking about a permanent brick, also known as up a sh*t creek without a paddle.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] orangekid:
What both of you are doing is known as pedantic. Who gives a damn about the semantics? it's not like either definition is in the dictionary and we all know essentially what we're talking about here.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] letama:
To clarify and explain why nand is dangerous:

With kernel drivers, we have access to the whole nand, including wince bootloader (SPL/HSPL). If for some reason, driver has a nasty bug, it can overwrite bootloader, resulting in a permanent brick.

It's very different from wince radio or rom flash problem that never kills bootloader.

LeTama
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] scottydoguk:
magldr

Looking at the video on the tweet its dated the 30/11/10 if its correct lol but have to admit that it looks to be amazing bit of kit. choose a different kernal to load awsome :eek::eek:

congradulations on turning the hd2 into a truly remarkable phone other than thee ugliest os monster of win 6.5
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] s14tam:
thanks dr suess. I don't

really

care. Just educating about the difference between terms since it came up.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] initzero:
Thanks LeTama, that's exactly what I wanted to know.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ManUtd777:
Ok Guys, first of all thanks for all your help in here, and for walking all of us Noobs thru so many things.

Ok, so after alot of reading (have to stop, it's killing me in school), I decided to Root for 3 things: Nandroid backups, Wifi tethering, and removing the 30 fps cap.

I did the unrEVOked 3.21 one click root. EASY!!! I appreciate the step by step walkthrus here. I thought that would be ALL I need for these 3 things. Obviously I read or understood wrong in these threads. So after forcing myself to use Fresh 3.2 (since I don't have to wipe), I did it and my phone was fine.

Problems. I cant wifi tether. Downloaded the wifi from the market. Connects to phone, but doesn't connect to the internet. I measured fps, and it is still avg 28. Why?!? I read that Fresh 3.2 would un cap that. My signal has been a little worse, and the Battery is absolutely horrible.

Please help guys. I'm really regretting this, Plus now I hear that HTC is doing an upgrade that removes the cap. Will I be able to use it if I restore my nandroid to when I first rooted, and forget about any Roms. I am NOT familiar with ROMs or Kernels, and stay away form them as I don't want to wipe my phone.

Thanks Guys in advance.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] knives of ice:
you need to read, read, and read some more. use titanium backup and backup all your apps then load a custom rom.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eman3316@optonline.net:
Fresh 3.2 comes with a stock Sprint kernel. Just download another kernel and it will unlock your fps.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NYCHitman1:
First things first, ROMs don't uncap FPS or allow wifi tethering - kernals do. Since Fresh 3.2 runs on the stock HTC (unreleased) kernal obviously it wouldn't be unlocked. Secondly, you are having the downsides of it all because you didn't wipe when you are supposed to wipe before installing any ROM from scratch. I have zero issues with battery life or signal on my EVO w/ Fresh 3.2 (my battery lasts me the minimum of 14 hours on moderate use) and signal.. I don't have an answer for that b/c I spend a majority of my time in New York City where I ALWAYS have signal
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] VinceOB:
This has absolutely nothing to do with Development.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rutter9:
you're regretting it because you read up on absolutely nothing and want someone to hold your hand, explaining every single thing.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tyrnight:
Great first post.. .....
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] willy900wonka:
Here's wireless tether:

http://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/downloads/list

I use pre 9. Pre 8 and pre 9 would work for you.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] yamaford:
Tell us what you don't want to lose from wiping and we will tell you how to get it back the easiest way. IE. Contacts? make sure you sync with google before you wipe and when you will get them all back. Other than that I dont mind the wipes.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Sporkman:
QFT !!!

sounds like the OP needs to read and read and read some more
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GadgetMonger:
I think the reason you're regretting it is becuase you didn't do nearly the reading you say you did..... you have to read through the threads and have some idea of what you're doing to get anything out of rooting and flashing otherwise its just going to be a headache for you. I say if you don't have time to do the research, stick to stock unrooted. That one click rooting deal is great, but making it too easy for people who really don't know what they're doing has its draw backs...
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TorxT3D:
all the information in these forums can be OVERWHELMING.

trying to be patient and read every little thing can be a task, not to mention reading everyones replies looking for solutions.. its crazytown.

even searching can be a hassle if you dont know what KEY WORDS to search for.

then you get the lashings if you didnt search properly.

its a PITA but i guess thats all part of the experience of being the bleeding edge.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Smac7:
flash this kernal as you would a rom to give yourself the option to overclock and to unlock the fps. no wipe required.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=754128
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] playya:
I agree with you on the KEY WORDS area, if you dont put the right stuff in or dont have the patience to try different options then ask a question--- boy oh boy the type lashing you can get in here is ridiculous. Hey seriously there is alot of info in here but you got to be willing to devote a lot of time to reading and finding it. Hey if you rooted your phone and feel its crazy just put a stock rooted rom on there and go on with life.... HEY NANDROID is da shytz tho....
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] neverends:
wow guys can we be a little less welcoming... Not everyone on these forums is an expert...

ManUtd777, First off you want to start from scratch and wipe fully before installing any rom... If you have your contacts synced with gmail you will be able to recover them and just back up all you pictures and so on before doing the wipe.

Next find a rom and kernel combination you are happy with. Baked Snack 1.7 uses the new update the fresh uses but it also includes a battery saving and FPS unlocked kernel in the rom. If you'd like try using baked snack 1.7 so you wont have to flash a kernel.

As for signal try the new pri update and as for wifi tether follow willy900wonkas link...

and for future reference being new to rooting means alot of reading... if you have problems with the roms read the entire post and most problems are discussed in the thread.

Good luck....