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[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Faelok:
The Droid X, Droid2, All the variants of the Samsung Galaxy, Desire HD, EVO, Nexus One, Droid Incredible. 3.7" on a couple of those but they are still very similar devices hardware wise. Since xda members make sure to root every phone weeks before it even launches the version of android that it happens to be running is sort of a moot point.

Compared to the options that were out there when the HD2 came out, I consider this tons.

But I think the point of my post was missed entirely. I would never trade the HD2 for any of them. It is by far the BEST phone for ME.

However, I cannot recommend someone buying a phone with the sole intent of running an alternate OS when there are so many similar options out that are designed with android. The HD2 may be the most versatile phone out there but aside from those of us who are able/willing/committed/experienced enough to take advantage of that, your average user typically is not happy with it. I have had 3 people I work with purchase the phone (despite my warning) after seeing what I have done with it. 2 of them returned it. The 3rd constantly complains to me about x y and z.

Anyway, my point was that the OP should consider whether they are getting the phone only to run android. If that is the case, they should take a look at some other options before doing so.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chrisrj28:
Like posted above, I would not buy this phone if your main intention is running Android. But if you are interested in dual booting Android and Winmo then this is the best choice. I use both an equal amount of time, my info is in my signature and I can tell you I am extremely happy. WinMo will always be my primary but it's nice to use Android to sample a few new games or listen to Pandora. I prefer the option of which to use so I will never flash the Nand version.

But finding the right combination is really up to you as a lot can depend on your Winmo build of choice, the radio, and which Android build you use as different combinations can have varying results. For example I use the builds in my sig with that radio as it works best for me in my area in terms of battery life and connection speed. Now someone in say, New York may get better results with a different radio or different WinMo build. It's up to you to try them all
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kurt-willems:
Maybe it's me but way will people buy a WM device if thy will/need a Android?

Okay fore people who have there HD2 already, and thy will switching to Android I could understand (white lots of imagination)

but peoples who don't ha a device, and must buy one way you will buy a WM device if you need a Android?

I don't understand it!

it's the same fore me to buy a diesel car and after that I will transform it to a engine car!?

not to blame peoples but way make live complicate?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Wilco:
Perhaps because they are used to WinMo and would like to eperiment with Android?

Well: Use proven technology, while beeeing able to experiment with Android and eveluate its possibilities/capabilities.

HD2 is the top on speccs and has dual boot capability.

I do: it's a hacker thing, beeing able to put things to your hand, make it do what you want, not what it is intended for.

It is not the same, it is like buying a Diesel car, adding a petrol engine and using whatever you want (either depending on fuel price, or depending on driving style you want to experience that moment)

Running Android of SD Card is not transforming your device, it is

extending it's capabilities

.

One can experiment with Android while it is still possible to "revert" to WinMo.

eg: during the office hours WinMo, in the evening Android, as a hobby, from interest, playing games fill in....
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Wilco:
still no TONS....

Quite a few, but it is not like HD2 is completely outclassed by these devices....

But remains: wich ones can do dual boot?....

Rest my case
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Faelok:
Semantics

You are correct. The HD2 is absolutely not outclassed by any of those devices and I never said it was. I simply noted that they are very similar in terms of hardware. The EVO is perhaps the only one that has same or better stats in all areas. My wife has an EVO but I personally perfer my HD2 because of the dual-boot versatility you mentioned.

AFAIK none. But I don't think that is relevant to the advice I gave.

To reiterate: Buying the HD2 with the intention of running android as the primary OS is in my opinion a mistake. There are better options that do not require -

a) running off of the SD card

b) changing the radio (and possibly the ROM as well)

c) 99% functionality

d) waiting (and hoping) for a quick nand solution

However, already owning an HD2 and deciding that you are bored with WM is completely understandable. If the OP is good with tech/gagets, experienced with WinMo, enjoys the occasional hard-reset when tweaking has gone awry, and wants a phone that can dual-boot WM and droid, then the HD2 is an outstanding choice for him/her. If the OP wants to buy an HD2 and use nothing but android on it... I think that is kind of silly. Since they never made clear thier intent, this is really all pointless speculation. :p
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] EclipseX:
ap3604 I can also report, the android ins't better than hd2 in native OS ;)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ahijada:
All you guy's statements are on point.

My experience is coming from the G1 phone - HD2. I loved Android when it was on my G1. I rooted, hacked, and flashed a billion times (exaggerated; but felt like it). But when I found out that the HD2 was coming to the US, I had to jump on it. The hardware and spec sheet was HUGE compared to the phones that were available in the US at the time. C'mon, 4.3" screen vs. a 3.2"? No contest. I'm a multimedia geek, and this was a huge plus!

I love my HD2. WM was a new experience for me thus I read pages after pages after pages just so I can better my phone than the next persons' HD2. You guys above me saying that the HD2 is versatile, YES.. Very much so. I did everything on my HD2 w/WM. But I really missed the Android Market and it's apps...

Now, when Android was being pushed into development into the HD2.. this changed the game. WM + Cookies / GTX / SPB MS / etc is great (still is).. but someone who has experience with Android, loves the OS, and wants to see it on a phone with this much on the spec sheet, wouldn't let it slip by. I didn't. I use Android on a daily basis. It is my primary OS, only because I feel as if I have come to an end with WM on my HD2.

When I found out dual booting WM + Android, this made my HD2 even better! What Android is missing on the HD2... WM has. Or vice versa, IMO. For instance... I use a 98% stable build.. At least. GPS / BT will not work. Not a big deal for me. When I travel, I switch to WM. Done.

Lastly, I do agree with one of the above post. If you don't have an HD2 and want the phone solely for the purpose of running Android as a primary... DONT. Unless you're willing to put some time in running WM and getting familiar with it.

I believe hacking the HD2 to dual boot WM+Android is like riding a motorcycle for the first time... Start off in a smaller displacement bike and work your way up. Don't shoot for the fastest bike or you're bound to drop it.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tsfatt:
HD2 run Android .... I don’t see why can not in term of its spec ....

but ... currently what I see is they have to base winmo top up Android ... I don’t see it is good ideal due to both OS will consume phone resources ...

Unless we can done totally format install only Android OS => highlight me if I wrong, b'cos I treat PDA as computer ( still new in h/p area hope don’t mind ) ...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DontHate:
ive read on here a few times that its not running windows its shutting it down and then loading linux. thats why you should close everything thats running first etc (in case of data loss/corruption)

but running it from sd was supposed to be a temporary thing i think.

when it is flashed to the phone people will start ironing out the small bugs. i think thats when the end product is going to be more polished.

at that stage the hd2 could be the perfect phone for some. but to be honest, wm roms did everything id ever want from the phone.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hagba:
Its the Wisdom of the week,for me this pretty much sums up everything in this thread,everything else is out of curiousity and experimentation.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Wilco:
Personally, after experimenting a bit with android I concluse following:

As a business phone, WinMo is good enough, but if you want some new stuff for recreation or extra, Android is the way to go....

Apps are more reasonably priced,

More games

Games and apps are more finger friendly

On WinMo I miss:

1) XDA_APP [Availble on android, not for Windows Mobile]

2) A good (finger friendly) solitaire [on android it is free, on WinMo it costs aq small fortune > 10 Euro for a decent one]

3) Flexibility of Home screen

It is a balance......

For the moment I run Windows Mobile for daily use, but for relaxation, I start up Android....

BTW: Love XDA_APP, fast easy and clear. Opera is really troublesome compared to XDA_APP

So for me it is perfect beeing able to run android and winmo.
[HD2 General] arram76:
:confused:

i has a t-mobile htc hd2 1024 mhz , 576 ram, flash size 1024 mb , storage size 689.23 mb , radio 2.08.50.08_2 , rom ver. 2.10.513.0(82076) wwe, os ver 5.2.21889 (21889.5.0.87).

1. i need a very support help for all of our friends i has flashed a 1.48 rom and it break up my hd2 afterb that i has send this to htc it cost me 150$ to take it back but i has saw a new imei - 00000000000000001 number !!!!!!!!!!!

andf i think because of that their is no phone is used with this hd2

itried to hack it seems to tak orange il but no celcome il limited and the orange il with sginal but no calls can be made i don't know how can i fix it .

2. how can i go back to the original spl to flash it and to get it back to htc to fix

3. thier is any way to flash the 1.48 rom to israel on the t-moble hd2

plz friends try to help your lost friend

thanks
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ivanxov3rx:
To make this short, I just flashed cyanogenmod 6 and forgot to install the Google apps package and now that I tried to install it afterwards, with RA recovery, it doesn't pick it up and I'm left without any of my Google apps and rom manager gives me an error message when I try to switch to clockwork and I'm stuck and can't find what to do. Any suggestions would be very much appreciated
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] superchilpil:
I'm using sky raider vanilla and I'm coming from cm6

So far this is a great Rom but I'm missing the usb tendering. Is there Amy good free apps or addons I can use?
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] droidyourlookingfor:
You can use PDAnet
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] superchilpil:
I just went back to cm6

Sense roms seem to give me trouble

Plus pdanet is $30
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] Hanneman101101:
There is a way but i have forgot how to do it. search for it in the forums.
[Desire Android Development] zeussn:
Hi everyone,

Imagine that you are updating two or more themes for roms like OpenDesire/Defrost/CyanogenMod (I'm pretty sure that this updater works for every AOSP rom but I didn't try), that in one week can be updated at least 4 times. Don't get me wrong, the updates are appreciated, but updating all the themes for all the new versions gets old in no time.

So, I made myself two scripts, one that runs on Windows (this is the first one so is no so updated, but if I see that people use this I'll be willing to create a C# version) and another for linux (bash script), that do this work for me.

This scripts, decompile, copy the modded file (for the status battery), compile the framework again and then add the new images to the framework. After all that it generates the update.zip file for each mod so they can be flash using the recovery (Clockworkmod/Amon Ra/even the default recovery).

Windows Version 1.0

Linux Version 1.0

In the second post, I'll put instructions explaining how to configure the scripts.

Credits :

Brut.all for APKTool.

Daneshm90 for the APKManager (It give me the basic knowledge to create the first versions of the scripts).
[Desire Android Development] zeussn:
Instructions :

Windows.-

If you want to update more than one mod at the same time, you need to edit the script.bat file and modify the "start:" seccion like this :

:Start
if "%jumpmod%"=="0" set mod=MOD1
if "%jumpmod%"=="1" set mod=MOD2
if "%jumpmod%"=="2" set mod=MOD3
if "%jumpmod%"=="3" set mod=MOD4
if "%jumpmod%"=="4" goto end
set jump=0
goto Create

In order for this to work you need to put the original framework-res.apk in the folder "original"

The mod files have to be in MOD/Images (images you add) and MOD/Xml (xml to recompile). Right now the script is only prepare to recompile the xml for the status battery.

If you add more than one mod, the folders name must be the same as in the start seccion (MOD1, MOD2, MOD3...)

You must have installed Java JRE

Once you configure the script, run it, wait for it to be done. Then go to the result folder and you will find the update.zip file/s.

Linux.-

If you want to update more than one mod at the same time, you need to add as much folders as mods you want in the mods folder. The new folders must have the same structure as the default one.

The mod folders contains one folder to put the images to add after the framework have been recompile (MODNAME/add/drawable-hdpi) and one folder for the file that are used to make the mod (MODNAME/mod/drawable for the XML and MODNAME/mod/drawable-hdpi for the necessary images).

In order for this to work you need to put the original framework-res.apk in the folder "original" or you can download the original Rom by using the script (it extracts the framework-res.apk from /system/framework/).

YOU MUST configure the variables within the script.sh to set the initial path of the script and the path to copy the resulting update.zip files.

In order for this to work you must be ROOT (This is because the apktool, if anyone have a workaround please let me know)

You must copy the following files to /usr/local/sbin/ for this to work :

/theme_updater/other/7za
/theme_updater/other/aapt

You must have installed openjdk
[Desire Android Development] zeussn:
Windows.-

Version 1.0 - Initial release

Linux.-

Version 1.0 - Initial release
[Desire Android Development] str355:
thanks Zeussn, it worked like a charm when i was using it yesterday :cool:
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] olieebur:
I'm not sure if any other Captivates have this problem, but whenever I get a call and my ringtone goes off, it plays at a very low volume for a second and after that it would ring at the max volume. I also noticed this on a friend of mines Captivate as well. Would there be some sort of fix for this?
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lkrzrule34:
ya mine does that too theres no option in settings to change it its kinda annoying
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Spleisher:
I don't think it's a defect. I think it is more of a feature. I kinda like it. Keeps the ringer from being startling if you have it on fill blast but happen to be right next to it when it rings.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tinyboss:
Yeah, and if I'm in a meeting or a class, it gives me a split-second to hit the volume button through my pants pocket to shut it up. I like it, too.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] olieebur:
Wish there was an option to set it like that or not. I have custom ringtones and I like to hear the full song play from the beginning, lol
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tinyboss:
Yeah, it's always best to give the user an option.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] creepyncrawly:
When wifi is turned on and the phone is otherwise idle, there is a constant but small stream of data up and down. I have NetCounter installed which monitors wifi as well as cell data. This morning, when I turned the phone on, with the wifi counter at zero, I enabled wifi and then just let it sit on the desk for 4 hours. At the end of four hours, there was a total of 3.83 MB of wifi data usage, 3.52 MB received and 320.7 KB sent. Also having wifi on when the phone is idle eats up the battery. Starting at 100%, at the end of the 4 hours the battery was down to 64%. With wifi off, after sitting idle for 4 hours it would still be above 90%.

By the way, the phone is now rooted with sre 1.3.1c and with lag fix installed, but the wifi has behaved the same from when the phone was new, and I ran it for about a month stock. I'm just curious if this is normal operation for wifi. I have read in other threads that some leave wifi on all day without much battery usage.

When I first got the phone, I thought that it might be some application running in the background that was causing the data usage, so I installed ATK and experimented with killing everything, but the data usage was constant. (I can also see the data usage on my router because the wifi light flashes continually when the phone's wifi in turned on, and is solid unflashing when the phone's wifi is turned off, assuming the laptop is not connected.) I was unable to stop the data usage by killing off applications.

Any ideas? Thanks.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] terrigan:
Did you agree to send anonymous usage data to Google when you configured the phone?
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] creepyncrawly:
Interesting thought. Normally I never send anyone any data, unless I'm forced to. Would the tech at the store have set this up? Where do I look to check?

Edit: if you mean "use wireless networks" in settings | location and security, it's usually on, but it doesn't make any difference to the wifi data usage if it is turned off.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] alphadog00:
Gmail does push email, so does exchange. Are either installed? Any widgets? Facebook accounts?

There are many core apps that use data, tell us more about your config and we can help pinpoint it.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] creepyncrawly:
I have the google and youtube widgets, the Android power control widget, and the juice defender and juice plotter widgets. The last three were installed after I started trying to find the solution to the wifi issue.

I have Gmail installed. However, Auto-sync is always unchecked, and even though I leave bacrkground data checked most of the time, if I uncheck it, even with a reboot, the wifi data still goes on.

Installed applications: AndExplorer, Any Cut, AutoKiller Memory Optimizer, Google voice, Grocery IQ, JuiceDefender, JuicePlotter, Listen, Maps, Market, My Tracks, NetCounter, OruxMaps, Quadrant Standard, Rom Manager, SL4A, Startup Auditor Free, Titanium Backup, XDA. All the root apps were installed recently.

Installed sre 1.3.1c recently, which removed samsung and at&t bolatware.

That's all I can think of for now. What else would be helpful to know about my configuration?
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RexEscape:
I don't see it on your list of installed apps but when I installed (ad supported) MailDroid, I noticed I got 4MB of data downloaded in 4 hours while the phone was sitting idle, charging (not even on WiFi. It was on my 3G!). When I Force Stop MailDroid, the data activity dropped to near zero.

Could it be some ad supported apps that run in the background? Data leaks?
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] creepyncrawly:
I have the stock mail application, which retrieves mail from two accounts.

Grocery iQ has coupons. I use the program for inventory, so I never even look at the coupons page. Anyway, that app does not run in the background. You can't find any process associated with it unless you start the app from it's icon.

Startup Auditor has ads in it. I tried disabling it (with Startup Auditor) but that did not make any difference in the data, even after reboot. Anyway, that program was added since I've been working on this.

I don't think any of the other apps have ads in them.

One other thing I'll mention. There have been two occasions when the data stream stopped completely while wifi was still turned on, each time for a period of about 20 to 30 minutes. I could see this from the wifi activity indicator light on my router. This happened about two weeks apart. The more recent one was yesterday afternoon right after I made the OP of this thread. In both cases, I could not correlate what caused the data to stop, nor what caused it to start up again. But at least it seems to indicate that there is something causing the data to flow, and that it can be inactive while wifi is on.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] labbu63:
are you sure its not another device that is using the wifi and not ur captivate
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] creepyncrawly:
Yep. There's only the laptop and the phone. The laptop is on the ethernet connection, hard wired. The laptop has an on off switch for the wifi. It's off. Also, the indicator light goes solid when I turn off wifi on the phone, and starts up again when I enable wifi again.

Tonight I decided to put DG's Cognition on the phone. After I Oden3 one-clicked to stock UCJF6, I checked the wifi, and sure enough, still getting the constant data stream. When I bought the phone, I never really became aware of the problem until after I had loaded a number of apps. But here it is in the "just out of the box" state, and it already driving my router crazy.

So now I don't know what to think. Is this normal for all Captivate phones? Is this a hardware problem on this phone? Something else? Btw, the flash to cognition went smoothly, and the phone is running well, but the data stream is still there when wifi is on.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gtg465x:
I wouldn't get all in a frenzy just because your router is blinking. Your router blinking doesn't mean your phone is downloading something. Install an app that monitors your wifi data usage. If it reports unusually high numbers then come back here.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] creepyncrawly:
Please read the OP and the whole thread. It isn't that long. True, while I was in the midst of flashing Cognition, I didn't take time to install NetCounter on the stock rom and take time to check the actual data flow. But the fact that there is actual data flowing when the indicator light is flashing is established.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RexEscape:
I've uninstalled MailDroid because of the annoying ads (and because I thought it was doing unnecessary downloads at night). I woke up this morning and NetCounter shows 13MB of data downloaded for Today (from midnight to 6am). I suspect it's the 4 windows (tabs) I have opened in my Browser. Two of them were full (desktop) websites that have banner ads in them. Hmm...
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gtg465x:
Less than 1MB of data per hour is not a big deal. I'm sure it's a combination of apps that pull or sync data from the internet. Or it could just be an app you have installed that's downloading ads like RexEscape said.

Also, do you have the wifi sleep policy set to never? It should be set to never for best battery life.
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] creepyncrawly:
What do you show for data usage when your phone is idle but wifi is turned on, meaning nothing you know of would be using data? Would you mind doing a brief test like that? Thanks
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] creepyncrawly:
It appears to be drawing data without any apps installed. I assume that after flashing odin3 one-click to the stock rom, the phone is configured almost exactly like it would have been out of the box.

Just checked it. It is set on Never now. I'm pretty sure it has been set on never since I first started trying to optomize battery life, and discovered the wifi issue.