yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HD2 Android SD Development] noellenchris:
I also still have the echo. Appears to be only a few with the echo. Did you figure it out? Did you verify by trying older kernel again? Which WM Rom and raido are u running. Also did you use titanium backup with new build.

I'm trying to figure out why only a few have this bug with the EVO kenels.

One more thing, check other programs that use the mic. I notice that the other programs seems to work fine. It's only when in calls that my mic is super sensitive.
[HD2 Android SD Development] w0nz3r:
Very nice job.

This is the best kernel I've ever tried in the last 2 months.

Work good with Core Droid v.0.3 (PPP) and radio 2.14.5.04

The only problem is that I can't connect with my mobile network (vodafone IT).

Do You know why?
[HD2 Android SD Development] aussiebum:
bummer :confused: I'll fire up the shubcraft 1.5 build I downloaded a while back and try the bluetooth thing tonight again.

So what's the error you get when you try?
[HD2 Android SD Development] hastarin:
You don't. Please find a charity of your choice and donate to them instead.

If you're in the US perhaps use this one:

http://www.kennedysdisease.org/help.html

#4.1 has the gain values back to the same as the tree. I've been told my mic is sensitive in calls, but fine on speakerphone. Though I don't get echo.

Thanks. You're only 1 of 471 downloads to actually report something I wonder why the other people bothered downloading it. :)

Standard battery calculations are identical to what they were, so they should be fine. :D

I'll PM you a link for testing only. Then it's back for more sleep I go.
[HD2 Android SD Development] mda4man:
kernel works well with desire hd beta build and mdeejays evo build. cant wait until someone fixes that premature camera flash :D
[HD2 Android SD Development] atoore:
Hastarin, I sent you a private massege and I don't think you saw it so I decided to post it in here.

I was using your 4.1 kernal and its seems to be everything working. The support for extended battery is great and thank you for adding that. Im experiencing sound cut listening to music. I never experienced that before using all the other kernals. I also noticed the volume on the evo builds and kernals are boosted. I think thats the problem for sound cuts. Would you look into it and make a kerna without sound boost?

Thanks
[HD2 Android SD Development] pack21:
DesireHD\Hastarin#2, Data issue:

My Data conection dies, after the phone sleep for a while, with Hastarin Kernel #2, so i come back to Original DesireHD build, and now i have data Wake-up OK!

Not so much signal bars like the hastarin#2....but all stable (wifi and Data)....i dont know why, but works.

Just to know.
[HD2 Android SD Development] ELTinos:
This kernel is supposed to be more battery-friendly right?

A few hours ago I put #4.1 on my HTC HD2 (1.72 stock ROM and 2.12.50.02) with the Desire HD and replaced the darkstone kernel. All is working well, but instead of my regular 6-15mA in standby (with WiFi disabled, data enabled and SetCPU adjusting my cpu with screen off), I now have at least 65mA. Tried multiple reboots but unfortunately no improvement. What else can I try or should I switch back to my old kernel?
[HD2 Android SD Development] hastarin:
Check your APN settings (which is a build issue, not kernel).

Search this thread. I have tried to reproduce the sound cuts and can not do it on my setup.

You could try setting custom SetCPU profiles to see if that helps, but it's starting to sound like there may be data issues with AXI, or OC/UV. I'll see if I can build some alternative builds for people that are having issues to test.

Yes it definitely should.

I've heard tell that on some ROMs you need to make sure your key lights are on when you run haret.exe or you get a higher than normal drain. I have no idea why though. I certainly don't need to do it with the ROM I'm using.
[HD2 Android SD Development] anhtin:
can I use this kernel for Mattc EvoLeo 1.0?

my setCPU doesnt have interactive governor.

Thanks
[HD2 Android SD Development] partie:
Great stuff. Thanks..
[HD2 Android SD Development] itsedstech:
Dude what you just said there is EPIC WIN! I cant stop smilling, btw im installing now, will let it run all night and test it tommarow on full battery and report back
[HD2 Android SD Development] jae-v:
T-mobile US here, no data with bangsters 1.4 after upgrade. Grabs a connection and drops it quite often
[HD2 Android SD Development] chungkai:
The #4kernel can use in cm6 build?if use in cm6 build Bluetooth &Wi-Fi tethering will working, thank
[HD2 Android SD Development] hastarin:
For all of you. See Post #1 ;)
[HD2 Android SD Development] jae-v:
checked it out beforehand, my build isn't based on rmnet and i have everything installed properly not sure if i missed something else.
[HD2 Android SD Development] mfish123:
Incoming call freeze fix

It freezes on incoming calls only when data connection is shut off.

I use juice defender to shut off my data connection when screen is off. I did quite a bit of testing to isolate the problem (setcpu settings, live wallpapers on/off, animations on/off, etc) and the phone only freezes when receiving an incoming call while the data connection is off.

When data is on all is well and I don't experience the freeze. From a battery life perspective I'd prefer if I could keep data off while the screen is off cause with it off my phone only drops 5 - 6 ma but with it on I'm at 110.

Hastarin - please look into this. I'll also post this in the mattc 1.8 thread.
[HD2 Android SD Development] hastarin:
I've updated it. Check your radio and firmware.

I'll try calling myself some once I get more sleep. :) Have you tried a stock EVO kernel to see if that has the problem?

In fact...

Anyone having issues with this kernel. PLEASE before you post them here, try a stock EVO kernel

If you still have issues with the stock EVO kernel it's nothing I've done and we may have to wait for the devs to fix it.

If that solves your problems then you can try the alternative 4.1 build I just released that does not have the Undervolting or AXI.

If that still doesn't work, then try NOT fiddling with the Overclock values with SetCPU and leave them at default.

If that still doesn't work you're out of luck. :confused:
[HD2 Android SD Development] slbenz:
You are probably one of the lucky ones. Whenever I use the flash, there is a distinct green tint to the picture that is unacceptable. Now that I am back with one of the kernels that do not do this, I am having fun with Camera 360. The same camera app that Hastarin recommend to use. Like using it very much and it also zooms and goes to 5MP plus quite a few special effects to use.
[HD2 Android SD Development] hastarin:
I had to make the call to just pull changes from the main tree or start fiddling with excluding some of them. I chose to just go with it. I need to find time to catch up with Markinus, etc on IRC (timezone issues don't help) to see what's happening with the green tint issue.

The update does improve a few things (improved auto focus, 5MP widescreen, zoom, faster update speed, closer to getting 720p recording working) but does obviously have the green tint issue.

Hopefully this will be something that will get sorted in the near future. Meanwhile folks can still use the version they were happy enough to use a few days ago or build their own. :p

Does no one bother to read my changelog? There is a link in there to the thread with information on how to do it.

On another note I made a post comparing my kernel to mdeejay's here:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=9293923&postcount=3261
[HD2 Android SD Development] alsolh:
I tried running this script, i am using frg83 (NexusHD2-FRG83 V1.6), the camera shows a black screen... could you please help hastarin
[HD2 Android SD Development] Clom801:
Hastarin,

Your kernels are awesome, :( alas 8.4's camera does not work on miui (black screen). I've tried both root folders and nothing:confused:
[HD2 Android SD Development] slbenz:
Hastarin, thanks for looking into the green tint issue. Really like your kernels until the green tint issue came about. Same with Mdeejay's so the green tint affects both kernels. Thanks again for the Camera 360 suggestion. Works great on your 8.2 kernel. Will wait until you have a kernel that addresses the green tint. Again, thanks for all the hard work you put into your kernel for our benefit.
[HD2 Android SD Development] themadproducer:
Originally Posted by themadproducer View Post

Also, I would still ask if anyone can give me any details as to HOW to change the UnderClock settings. It can't be from developers view. I am a power user.

Thanks

Does no one bother to read my changelog? There is a link in there to the thread with information on how to do it.

YES Absolutely, Hastarin. I (me) very much respect and am at the grateful mercy at developers such as yourself. Oh I have done my reading and ESPECIALLY the link in your changelog re-underclocking in hopes of never taxing you more than you need to be. Unfortunately, the thread is Hebrew to me! Everything else thus far, I have been able to sort out pretty much on my own by reading and SEARCHING and crossreferrencing relentlessly. Perhaps I am not qualified to tweak the underclocking values at this point. I really do not understand the threads information on underclocking. (sysfs interface etc)

Cheers good man!
[HD2 Android SD Development] hastarin:
Pleas folks, give it a rest already!

Let me reiterate something for those that don't get it.

Anyone having issues with this kernel. PLEASE before you post them here, try the following:

Actually reading the README.txt provided!

Reading my FAQ

If that doesn't work try a stock EVO kernel

If you still have issues with the stock EVO kernel it's nothing I've done and we may have to wait for the devs to fix it.

If that still doesn't work, then don't use any task killers, and try a clean format of your SD card.

If that still doesn't work you're out of luck. :confused:

Folks I really don't want to fork my development from the main tree.

Either live with what you have, or live with the green tint for now. If you use an autobuild from the main tree you'll get this issue. It's really that simple.

As I've said, this is something I've done for me and make available to the public. Personally I think I go above and beyond (README's, FAQ, etc) in an effort to support the community but I'm getting a bit sick of all the complaints, PMs, requests for help, etc

For those that can't get the camera working please post in your build threads or switch to a build that already has it working with newer kernels. I can't, and won't, help you.

Believe it or not I'm not doing this full time. I have to earn a living and have a life as well!

Please think before posting and show some consideration or I'll go the way of others out there and just put things up and not reply to posts at all.
[HD2 Android SD Development] alsolh:
it seems that i will get back to mdj builds, sorry hastrin for nagging, but frankly speaking you did a hell of a job for the performance of the new kernel 8.4, thank you very much for the efforts done...
[HD2 Android SD Development] hastarin:
If you can't figure it out from that documentation I'll give you two hints. "adb shell" and "Terminal Emulator". Now if you still can't figure it out then yes, don't play with them. ;)
[HD2 Android SD Development] rafpigna:
Now all is clear

Thanks!!! ;)
[HD2 Android SD Development] slbenz:
People, let's give Hastarin a break and read before posting an issue that could have been addressed by his first posting on this thread or go to the appropriate build thread for answers. You'll be surprised using the search function can do to address your issue. I don't want to see him post a discontinued status like some of the builds are now showing. He has been very accommodating and very helpful to all of us with the great kernels he has built for all of us to use and benefit from.

Hastarin, you have my support and I am using one of your kernels that suits my needs vs. having the latest hoping for perfection. Get some rest and enjoy the weekend. :)
[HD2 Android SD Development] boonbing:
Totally agree... hastarin kernel is the one that gets my HD2 up and running without the SOD issue... and now I can say its good for everyday use. Lets be a little more patient and put a little effort on our part to try search for an answer before posting.

I definitely do not want to see this thread closed!
[HD2 Android SD Development] CrAzY_CbR:
CM6.1 + R8.4 + Fix libraries Nexus Build

Camera OK,

WiFi OK,

BT OK,

Camcorder OK,

G-Sensor OK

Smooth and without lag

BATTERY CONSUMPTION CM6.1 with HASTARIN R8.4

SETCPU

SmartASS: Max 998Mhz

Profile: Screen OFF (245-384 PowerSave)

No other profile

2010/11/18 20:48:21,-134mA,81%

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Thanks HASTARIN, thanks as always!!
[HD2 Android SD Development] Gellenole:
I cannot agree more... these updates are shared for everyone. you cant just download this and think its 100% perfect... its a gd damn miracle this is even released for us.

Thank you hastarin your work in this community is appreciated.. even by his noob.

This is one of the most successful releases we've seen... great work!!!

Njoy your week+ weekend... looking forward to the next update!

Sent from my HTC HD2
[HD2 Android SD Development] lemac03:
I have Darkstone 3.2 with MMS Fix by chiasoft. I just follow the readme and everything just works. my setCPU is at 245/1190 with interactive. BTW, I also deleled htccamera.odex file in /system/app.
[HD2 Android SD Development] anonuser1:
Does your BT work as well?
[HD2 Android SD Development] lemac03:
footprint app

Hi all,

I don't know if this has mentioned but with new kernel and camera footprints app WORKS.
[HD2 Android SD Development] LittleH79:
Sorry to bother you Hastarin, but did you by any chance test your stock default battery last night?

And got the same results as I have maybe?

To sum up the details:

- You were correct, light turns green when hitting below 4mA

- But then charging cycles begin (light green/amber/green/amber)

- Won't stay long on 100%, only a few minutes.

- Mine is in a cradle connected to power supply and to pc via usb at the same time.

No problem if you havent had time, and reading from earlier posts I can understand even more if you're not in the most positive XDA kind of mind right now ;)
[HD2 Android SD Development] kisp.cn:
3Q for your work
[HD2 Android SD Development] Blades:
You guys are funny about your battery discharge values. This is probably the tech-sector equivalent to whatever prius owners talk about...

Now that you're playing with values/deltas as low as 10mA its really hard to compare. Especially since this is android we're dealing with. So many sneaky little nasties running in the background at any given time.

For what its worth, in winmo, with my 1cent 'oem' (it actually does have HTC branding) battery - my battery % went from 28% to 3 within seconds. Some batteries are just ****, more so when they heat up or get strained with high power draw.
[HD2 Android SD Development] hastarin:
No I haven't. I've just put it back in my phone and will try it out. It's nowhere near full though so it will be a while.
[HD2 Android SD Development] vua777:
setcpu 1190 smartass

my 1st time got this score

- cpu score > 4700

- 3d score > 400

- Build MDJ Rev 1.6
[HD2 Android SD Development] LittleH79:
No problem, take your time.
[HD2 Android SD Development] hoss_n2:
when fully charged to 100% it still shows yello light , that doesn't exist in old kernels
[HD2 Android SD Development] LittleH79:
This is why:

Hi Hastarin,

You were right! I sat it out and the light turned green while lower than 4mA.

But (this you already will know I guess) now it starts to switch between 99% and 100% and thus te light between amber and green.

To be precise:

2010/11/18 11:41:21,6mA,100%

2010/11/18 11:42:21,5mA,100%

2010/11/18 11:43:21,5mA,100%

2010/11/18 11:44:21,5mA,100%

2010/11/18 11:45:22,5mA,100%

2010/11/18 11:46:22,5mA,100%

2010/11/18 11:47:22,5mA,100%

2010/11/18 11:48:22,5mA,100%

2010/11/18 11:49:22,3mA,100%

2010/11/18 11:50:22,5mA,100%

2010/11/18 11:51:22,4mA,100%

2010/11/18 11:52:22,4mA,100%

2010/11/18 11:53:22,0mA,100% >> Light went green

2010/11/18 11:54:23,0mA,100%

2010/11/18 11:55:23,-5mA,99% >> weather synced, light went amber

2010/11/18 11:56:23,5mA,99%

2010/11/18 11:57:23,4mA,99%

2010/11/18 11:58:23,4mA,100% >> light green again

2010/11/18 11:59:23,0mA,100%

2010/11/18 12:00:23,-15mA,99% >> recieved sms, light amber again

2010/11/18 12:01:23,5mA,99%

2010/11/18 12:02:23,4mA,99%

2010/11/18 12:03:23,4mA,100% >> light green again

2010/11/18 12:04:23,0mA,100%

2010/11/18 12:05:24,0mA,100%

2010/11/18 12:06:24,0mA,100%

2010/11/18 12:07:24,0mA,100%

2010/11/18 12:08:24,0mA,100%

2010/11/18 12:09:24,0mA,100%

2010/11/18 12:10:24,0mA,100%

2010/11/18 12:11:24,-4mA,99% >> light amber again

So it's a constant cycle between charging/full/charging/full.

Can't say that I like it that way honestly.

At this point the light is green, charging stopped, 0mA current widget but battery widget shows 99%

So it does exactly as you stated with eb version, but I don't think it really suits te stock batts. Think this is a kernel for the ext batts.

You already release 2 verions, one without the old batt driver for ext batts and I think that's the way to go for other kernel builders as well, especially Mdeejay, because yours and his are the most used nowadays.
[HD2 Android SD Development] makuu:
First I want to thank you for your excellent work. I've been starting playing with android builds since 2 weeks. And you and the other build creator have made such a good work that it is actually possible to have an Android HD2 that is ready for everyday use.

I've a preference for your kernel so I've tested the 3 following builds with your 8.4 kernel:

MDJ Sense Clean 2.4

MDJ Sense Clean 2.3

MCCM Sense 3.2 (continued from DarkStone1337)

So here is my feedback regarding the camera.

Those 3 have a working camera, however the zoom feature is only working fine with the MCCM build (where is truly wysiwyg). When the zoom is used at max on the two other MDJ builds, the picture that is recorded is actually bigger than the picture that is displayed on the HD2 screen. It's like when zooming at max you are actually zooming more than what is displayed on the HD2 screen.
[HD2 Android SD Development] benchbench:
I'm experiencing strong echo issues with the new 8.4 kernel. Is there a fix?
[HD2 Android SD Development] hastarin:
Yes seeing similar behavior here. At least when using the phone.

I will be going back to my normal kernel with the new driver tomorrow and will try to remember to check what it does.

Sent from my HTC HD2
[HD2 Android SD Development] bekrab:
Agreed. I use Froyo Clean 2.3 + Hastarin 8.2.

Compass work

Camera work without zoom function.

GPS work

WiFi work

G-Sensor work
[HD2 Android SD Development] LittleH79:
Ok, at least a little bit nice to see you're having the same results as I have.

Went back to you're normal kernel last night and today everything is working just fine. No cycles whatsoever.

Enjoy your weekend and don't let us take too much of your precious time :)
[HD2 Android SD Development] tyween:
I know that vdd_levels aren't stable for everyone.. I have been using these for the past 24 hours without any problems.. I think this is the lowest my phone can tolerate. I just figured this may help someone if their phone can handle it.

echo '245000 800' > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/vdd_levels

echo '384000 825' > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/vdd_levels

echo '422400 850' > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/vdd_levels

echo '460800 875' > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/vdd_levels

echo '499200 900' > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/vdd_levels

echo '537600 950' > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/vdd_levels

echo '576000 950' > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/vdd_levels

echo '614400 975' > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/vdd_levels

echo '652800 975' > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/vdd_levels

echo '691200 1000' > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/vdd_levels

echo '729600 1025' > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/vdd_levels

echo '768000 1075' > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/vdd_levels

echo '806400 1075' > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/vdd_levels

echo '844800 1125' > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/vdd_levels

echo '883200 1125' > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/vdd_levels

echo '921600 1150' > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/vdd_levels

echo '960000 1150' > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/vdd_levels

echo '998400 1200' > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/vdd_levels

echo '1036800 1225' > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/vdd_levels

echo '1075200 1250' > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/vdd_levels

echo '1113600 1250' > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/vdd_levels

echo '1152000 1275' > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/vdd_levels

echo '1190400 1275' > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/vdd_levels
[HD2 Android SD Development] evilmika:
whose cm6.1 build are you running? I'm using michyprima's and can't seem to get the camera to work. If you're using michy's did you start from new data image and remove michy's root folder or just merge hastarin's with michy's?
[HD2 Android SD Development] prcek15:
I can't install new HTCCamera.apk. I copied new HTCCamera.apk to /system/app/ and overwrite old HTCCamera.apk and restart device. After I boot Android again, the Camera isn't installed on my device. How do I get Camera? THX ;)
[HD2 Android SD Development] CR5N:
Hastarin,

Have a beer and chill.

Many thanks :)

65N404865X3865931
[HD2 Android SD Development] curiousGeorge:
Very interesting. I get hard locks at 800, 825 is rather unstable, and so I suspect 850 on these grounds as well. I start my list at 875 and ramp up to 1300 at the high end. :)