yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] garekinokami:
Good job man. This post should help newbs. God, I remember trying to get it all in at first. This was before the one-click root method. Man, it was crazy trying to get down all those ADB commands.

Very fun! I'm always lurking about but rarely comment.

Soon, OP, you'll be on CM or something and enjoying it all. Good luck!
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] klbjr:
READ! READ! READ! I know it seems daunting but you have to do it. I read the forums at home, at work on my phone, when I'm in bed on my laptop. It would be easier if every topic was in one centralized place and the guys here do a great job but with so much info, it's hard. You have to pick a topic, read up on it and then see how that relates to another topic that suits your needs. Take fps, read up on what kernels have it included then move on to ROMs and what ROMS work good with the kernel you choose. I was the same way when I started but with a little time and patience you will be flashing away.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] illogic6:
XDA is a huge mobile knowledge base. We take the time to create tutorials, flashable zips, WIKIs and videos teaching you how to do all these awesome things with your phone. We beta test releases and post our logcats when we bootloop. We title informative threads in CAPS and sticky them to the front page.

It doesn't surprise me people get irked when people don't read. I started out as a noob with my G1. Go through the history of my posts. You won't see any threads like this.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dglowe343:
Very good advice. You learn a lot about what you're actually doing to your phone by using the more lengthy tutorials. Pays off in the long run.

Sent from my SUPERSONIC
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GadgetMonger:
I try and help out as much as the next guy, or more. But when someone obviously doesn't do any research on their own (and his questions and comments do make it obvious that this is the case) its kinda hard to sympathize. Sure there's a lot of information here and nobody can sift through all of it but damn.... at least try to know about what you're trying to do. Rooting? Search root then READ. Wifi tether? These are basic terms that will come up in a search... we've all had to do it. I'm sure we've all needed a question or two answered as well, but for the most part anyone who has got their evo tweeked and customized the way they want it has also invested a lot of time in xda. Anyone not willing to even try should just stick to stock.

Yup. The best learning experience is doing it from scratch...
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shawnathan9:
Not to overwhelm you with more advice but its worth the moment.

Don't bother expressing regrets to a community that is informative and offers plenty of resources to your questions. We're not your parents.

Now with that said, you have been warned. - sound familiar?

Read the OP on each ROM posted then decide which one has the features you would like to test. Downoald it and push it to the root of your sd card.

Go into recovery and then Nandroid a backup of your current setup. - I'd recommend Amon Ra for recovery.

Next, wipe all data, cache, dalvik ... and then flash the ROM. Test the features and see if they work.

NANDROID back if you are unsatisfied.

Test again with another rom.

If you still have regrets, do a OTA update and do to stock, which you will lose root. - I'd recommend this to help you avoid confusion. Maybe you just should step away from rooting until you are not busy with school.

FINALLY, please consider that there is a Q&A forum that is relevant to your issue. There was no need to post a new thread in the dev forums.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sqeet:
I think we all get amnesia or something when it comes to helping new guys out.

As it has been stated before, it can be fairly daunting trying to get into this and not knowing where to start. I agree, there's a lot of information out here and it's all there IF you know what you're looking for.

It seems like you guys expect people to just dive into the deep end having never swam before.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ScaryBugThing:
So very true. Some very harsh comments here. I was a total newbie a few months ago, not knowing what barely anything meant or did. NAND unlock? Recovery? Kernel? Flashing radios? I tried searching, but even searching, I couldn't find everything. It's inefficient because you're spending hours and hours finding answers that someone who knows could answer in about 5 minutes of writing a reply.

But I posted a request for help getting me through the process (here), and help picking out a custom ROM, and the people on this forum were just awesome. Now, I'm confident about just about any Evo hack.

So to the parent poster: Don't worry, we all have to learn.

To the helpful regulars: Thanks for kindly helping newbies--you guys are great.

To the annoyed regulars: Maybe just ignore the thread next time?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] leebo:
I tried the WIKI at first. It resulted in more questions without answering most of my beginner questions.

Maybe if there were a word list in the Wiki defining the most searched words, like Nandroid = creating an image of your phones current state, etc. Perhaps that would curb many of the repeated questions.

I've been reading off and on for over a month, and I still am not comfortable rooting and flashing another ROM. But then, my mom did drop me when I was a baby.

But I agree, if it bugs you, skip the post.

Btw, the Wiki states: Broadcasting live in 3-2-1. Launch the live -streaming video app and, just like that, you're broadcasting live to anyone with an internet Internet connection and an invitation to watch the show.

Anyone with an Internet connection. Hmmm...
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ManUtd777:
Ok, Thanks for that info. I don't understand the people who Imply I'm Lazy and didn't read. It's VERY overwhelming to understand different posts that usually are far fetched from what I'm talking about. I read beginner threads on rooting ONLY. Someone mentioned to another post that Installing Fresh 3.2 would give me those benefits, and that's why I stupidly thought so. Sorry for that.

Since it said it didn't have to wipe data, I didn't and everything kinda seemed to work. Only battery and signal seems to be the problem. I will give it 1 or 2 more days. Should overclock Work for that? I found a Great Idiots guide on how to set it up on my Evo.

Thank You, I'll try that. I appreciate your input.

I did Titanium, BUT after I restored when I wiped, it left my screen with a lot of missing items (not to mention Titanium makes you manually install the apps (tedious) but its a sacrifice I understand). I have contacts backed, apps in app brain, Titanium, and App 2 SD. What I don't want to lose (might sound stupid) is my 7 screen set up. I seriously took me over 4 hours to set it up. I use MultiCon from App Market. I'm sure you might think Im whining over the 7 screens, it's just after to Bad Exam Grades, I can't dedicate that much time into rebuilding that.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ManUtd777:
I read beginners guides to rooting, but stuck to the ones on unrEVOked since I was thinking of that one. I mean if all else fails, I can always Restore Nandroid and go back to my freshly rooted state, until further reading.

It is man, I mean I read posts, and a little over half way thru the pages I figure out that most of the stuff being discussed has nothing to do with my phone set up, or my problem. So I move on, and it takes me in circles. I'm not an expert at this, so maybe I don't get as well as other want me to here.

I'll read this and give it a try. I enjoy the No Wipe, although many say that causes problems. I appreciate the link, and I will definitely give it a go.

Yeah it is crazy reading the different options. Plus I don't understand the whole READ (I know I have to, I've READ that here, and I have), or the "You want people to hold your hand thru it". I mean the guy who did the step by step to do unrEVOked was AWESOME. No Problems and I was done fast. Yes, Nandroid seems to be the ONLY thing making me smile at the moment. I'll keep researching.

Thank You so much for the help. So Baked Snack 1.7 would be all I need for what I want then. I'd have to wipe though (sacrifices though). I'll give this a try after I do the above kernel if it doesn't do it for me. I'll also try the wifi option. Thanks again for everything.

I don't expect to get ALL my answer here, and not read. I WILL continue reading, just wanted some feedback from you guys. Which I have, and appreciate.

Thanks for your ummm Help. Just because I'm asking here, doesn't mean I DONE reading. I just want some help and direction. I WILL continue Reading more and more. I'm NOT looking for the easy way out, just that asking people who know seems to be the "Smart" idea to put things together. It also gives you good info that could probably be lost in some threads.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] leebo:
Save your screens using the built in theme's saver, then BU using MyBackup free version. That will let you restore your screens. But if you're going to change ROM's I think you'll need the paid version as the free won't let you restore to a different unit (flashing ROM's might make it think it's a different unit).
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ManUtd777:
I'll research Amon RA Recovery to get familiar with it.

I'm planing to try different things, since Nandroid Backups could always take me back to square 1. If all else fails, I will just go back to fresh root, or to Stock. I booked marked a Step by Step on unrooting form here. Thanks for your help.

It seems every time I do a search, I learn a bit, but get confused about a lot. :confused: But reading, and trial and error seems like a good idea too. Thanks

It is hard to start, mainly due to being scared of getting into a CF. I'll read your post as well. Thanks for your help and comments.

A word list/glossary sounds childish, but would be awesome. I didn't even know how to do a Nandroid back-up before I researched it. I will continue to read and read and read. I feel the same way, if my post annoys you, why read and take time to blast the post, when it would take the same time to say something like "try this or read this, Jackass" :D. That would be fine as well.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ManUtd777:
Awesome!!! That is something that would REALLY help me out man. I will try that out, and if it restores the 7 screens after a wipe, I Don't mind Paying at ALL. Can't Thank You enough for this. I have to tests this week, so Weekend will be spent doing all the great info from you guys. Maybe I'll do some reading at school. :D
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bigmoogle:
I'm not sure but be prepared for the restore NOT to work with widgets. you may still have to re-install all your widgets.

When I first started, these forums rarely made sense. I went to androidforums.com where some of the same people post but somehow it seemed like a kinder and gentler version of xda.

+1 on MyBackup. I have both TB and MB and MB is easier for a noob to use.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SouthernEvo:
I have to agree with some points you made in this . I had my phone for almost three to four months before it was finally rooted . Most of the time I asked myself "Do I want to do this ? What am I looking to get out of this if I do this ?" . The risks were clear to me on if this screwed up what would happen . I myself depend on this phone as my only real line of communication . I dont have a home phone so I sure as hell better have some idea of what Im doing before I jump in this . Yeah I could afford to get a replacement phone in the event that I bricked it but Id much rather divert those resources to something else instead of recovering from a screw up I did myself . I also agree on the instant gradification I see often . In my months of lurking around the forums I soaked up more info then I though I ever would . I have lost count of the nights I spent reading threads till midnight . Why it interested me , also I wanted as much background info as possible before I stepped off the ledge (root) . I personally don't like asking a question but I will search and search some more before I post . I generally dont like bothering someone if Im capable of doing it myself . But I also ask myself "Ok what if I do this and this happens?" I go look for it even though the situation hasnt occured yet . More or less I plan ahead as far as I possibly can . Hell I even admit I sometimes go to forums and see new threads asking the same damn thing that was asked a month ago . Its like WTF ? I dont consider myself a hardcore rooting individual but hell even the repeat threads get on my nerves LOL
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ManUtd777:
Yeah, I did a alot of my reading on android forums, but posted the Question here since I got the links for my rooting and ROM here. People have been REALLY Helpful here. As far as the bashing, it's an Online Forum, it's fine. So it'll restore all apps on the screen but Maybe NOT Widgets? At least it'll save me half the time if not more. I'm glad I can do that, now I can use ROMs that require Wipes. Thanks
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ManUtd777:
Ok, first of all abut your 3 points, and the comment above; I don't have money laying around, so I was freaked out about rooting. The only reason I did, was because it was an easy, one click root, that everyone was reporting it to be kind of a safe bet. I don't expect instant gratification without doing any leg work. I mentioned I did most of my reading about the basics of ROOTING, not ROMs and Kernels. I just read basics on that, and stopped since I thought I wasn't going to do it. I was more interested about rooting for Nandroid BUs then.

I've had smart phones since the PPC-6700 about 6 years ago, so I don't get them cuz it's "Cool", it's helpful for my job.

About posting in the Wrong place, I APOLOGIZE for that. It happens when you have several tabs open from these forums while looking around. I was going to post it in the Q&A, but while reading in the development area, I had a minor brain fart and started the thread there, instead of going back to the Q&A area. It was a mistake, and it was MOVED. Thank you for pointing that out though.

I KNOW about wiping when you go to ROMs and Kernels, its just that I got into it when I read Fresh didn't require a Wipe. I read they are required, but for this instance it WASN'T. Clear? Me being an idiot, or lazy, or a jackass for not wanting to wipe is ok, but I've mentioned it before.:D

I actually tried counting the times you wrote, "all that reading". Found it funny. I don't get butt hurt about people being, "tough" or whatever. It's all good. What sucks was that in your half a page post I actually got NO information that would help whatsoever. It's ok though, you got your point across. Thank You ;)
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] beatblaster:
What in the ?? All I gotta say is if you don't fully understand what you're getting yourself into don't do it. Don't be tempted by these simple "one-click" rooting/flashing/whatever apps either. Sure, they offer an easy way to your goal but what's the point of doing something if you don't understand what is happening and why?

Based on the few posts I've read in here it sounds to me like basic fundamentals need to be learned. Learn them. At XDA one thing is for sure - ignorance is not bliss.

Here's your homework:

Answer the following:

- What is Clockwork Recovery? What is its function?

- What is Amon RA recovery? What is its function?

- What is a ROM?

- What is a kernel?

- What is a radio image and what does it do?

- What is a WiMAX image and what does it do?

- What is Nandroid? What is its function?

- Why and when do I need to wipe data? What is stored in /data?

- Why and when do I need to wipe cache? What is stored in cache?

- Why and when do I need to wipe Dalvik cache? What is the Dalvik cache for?

- What is fastboot?

Learn the answers to all of these and you will not only have a much better understanding of what is going on but you'll also gain confidence that will lead to more happiness in the long run.

Best of luck to you.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] david279:
Good homework.....
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mizzos4:
I'd say that we sometimes forget that XDA does have a wiki section for the EVO
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SouthernEvo:
You know this might sound crazy and Im not trying to flame anyone but I have to say something about this post right here . This is by far something I think should be posted or stickied in the forums . Basically it lays down the ground work for new people who have just rooted their phones and will point them in the right direction towards getting a better understanding of what they are getting into . Mainly with the fact that Unrevoked now does the simple one click approach to rooting . There is gonna be a huge surge of people flooding to the forums in search of info just like this . One of the best posts I have read so far.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ManUtd777:
I agree with your comment on the one click root making it "Tempting" to noobs who think it is going to be easy, like Me.

That homework you gave me is AMAZING. :) That is what I meant by pointing people like me in the right direction. I DON'T expect you or anyone to give me those answers. I expect myself to research them, and understand them. BUT what it does do, is point people like me in the right direction. This should be a checklist of things to read and learn BEFORE even thinking of Rooting. Thanks for that info, I'll begin searching here and on google for these answers.

I agree, that post should be stickied as a "Checklist Before Rooting". It would help people like me get a foundation and understanding, about Rooting and customizing your phone.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] beatblaster:
Thanks for the kind words guys. I'm just trying to do my part to pay it forward.

Good luck.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] evohack99:
I also agree this should be sticky, I have learned most by reading and googling I mean we are running a google phone, but not really cause I had to but this stuff I like too do and learn about. Most has been trial and error but all is well with nand restore, which should also be in your homework. I like teaching ppl this stuff so if you have any wuestoins just pm me, iv helped out a few ppl like that, I'm still learning things and the knowledge I gained I will be more than likely to pass down to you, but to read and find out on your own is the best way, and I did just the other day, I learned the true meaning of odexed and de odexed, which is also good HW for you, I'm currently learning about this new UI that is really cool and zippy called MIUI, I also spend coutless hours on here, well I g2g my gf is tellin me to go to bed, but pm me for anything, remember every one at a time was a noob, and should all, we are all here to help!

Sent from my netarchy_toast, froyo beast of a machine evo!
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ManUtd777:
Thanks for the Offer man, really appreciate it. I've been doing some of that HW, very confusing when I'm reading about that & the different connective tissues in the body.:D hahaha

I also have an update. I did a Nandroid Restore to freshly rooted, and got Fresh Evo 3.3.0.1 ROM, which requires No Wipe, Unlocks FPS (my avg was 52), and about to try wifi tethering. This Rom has an included Kernel that is awesome like that. So far I am VERY pleased, and did a Nandroid. I will give it a minimum 3 day trial. So far so good.

Again thanks for the offer, I might take you up on it. ;)
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] beatblaster:
Gotcha! The Nandroid question leads into backups and restores once you start reading it (since that's the point of Nandroid anyway). I intentionally left theme'ing out of the homework. I don't consider it a fundamental but, rather, an "intermediate-level" subject. I wanted to focus squarely on the most necessary aspects:

- Recovery

- Backup/Restore

- Radio/WiMAX images

- ROMs

- Kernels

- Data and Caches

- Fastboot

IMO, everything beyond that is optional. I also added the homework post to this recently stickied thread for common misconceptions and other useful information and even added two questions:

- What does it mean to root your phone? What are the benefits and what are the risks?

- Will I void my warranty by "rooting" my phone?

On another note, I don't know a thing about MIUI and will be sure to look into that. I'm always looking for new stuff to tinker with so thank you for that :)
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ManUtd777:
I've been trying to get more familiar with Nandroid, since it's so Amazingly Great.

I'm to scared for Radio Images, and I'm staying away from that. What I do want to research is if I can do PRI updates from my phones settings when I have Fresh ROM. Thanks for the Link, will check it out.

On those 2 questions, I actually know them. I read the All Things Root Thread in Android Forums. So I basically have Administrator access to my phone thru Rooting in a nut shell. And Yes, My Warranty is COMPLETELY Voided. :(

Thanks Again for the Info and Help man, greatly appreciated.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] beatblaster:
Your warranty is voided but you can flash back to an unrooted state before you take the phone back to sprint ( to make it seem like you never rooted in the first place...in the unfortunate event you have to take it back). There are threads that talk about this very thing and can be found here on XDA. Never lose hope. Where there's a will, there's a way.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SouthernEvo:
Yes there is a way to reverse root , I have those files stored on my harddrive and on standby if I ever need to call on them ROFL . That was one of the first things I downloaded and saved just incase I needed them . Another word of advise to keep in mind . Create a folder on your harddrive of all your rooting related applications , software . Another thing to think of , when you find these programs they usually have instructions posted with the download links . Download the software then copy the instructions and save them as a txt document in their own seperate folder with the downloaded software . That way if you ever want to run that specific software you have the directions sitting right next to it and you dont spend alot of time searching the forums for a post that might have dropped several pages down .
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] beatblaster:
Storing files that you deem important is a great idea. An even better idea would be to create a Dropbox account and store your important files there as well. This way you can keep the files in sync both on your PC and your phone. Talk about the best of both worlds.

*shameless self promotion coming here*

If you want to create a new Dropbox account I wouldn't mind if you helped me take advantage of the referral program by clicking this link (we both get an extra 250MB of storage space for referrals):

Dropbox referral

:) :) :)

If you don't want to take click the link I won't have any hard feelings. Promise :D

See ya.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ManUtd777:
There is a VERY good Step by Step Instructions for UnRooting Thread here. From the same person who put the Great Step by Step on how to unrEVOked 3.21. I have it saved on my bookmarks, Just in Case I DO need to take it to Sprint.:D

One thing I've been searching for here is a thread from about a month ago where someone was talking about Sprint catching on to us. I forgot what he was talking about; dealing with Sprint terminating contracts. I'll keep looking, since it got me worried now that I rooted.