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[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bteljuice:
After i found out that 3G will not work in North America, im DYINGGGGGGGG for the Nexus 2 release!!!! Times doesn't fly by when you are looking forward for something.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Beards:
I may be a surgeon but I still love a good joke, a great prank and a few pints with the lads in my local. I would be honoured to share a pint with you Rick.

Re the SGS's camera ~ I too have tried both and agree the SGS is vastly superior in both photo & video to the DHD.

I've still got my HD2 and whilst it's not got a bad camera it's nowhere near as good as that fitted on the SGS.

Samsung make cameras so it is safe to assume they would put a decent lens in any of their hardware.

This is very true of the SGS where Samsung use a lens that delivers one of the lowest f-stop found on a camera phone.

This allows the SGS to take shots in either much lower lighting or at a much lower ISO that gives greater detail.

The DHD is hopeless at controlling light and exposure, certain shots are oversaturated and sharpened way past correction (I would rather the shots be soft with the ability to post-process and make sharper if needed).

Agree..... I had use of a DHD for a third time yesterday and again let the DHD have a run at the Desire, HD2 & SGS.

Both the Desire and DHD had a hell of a time with light and exposure.. I just could not get enough lighting in to take a shot during the night.

Even during the day it handled brightly lit great but on each shot where there was a darkened area (e.g. a doorway or under vehicles) it struggled badly leaving out a ton of detail.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LeviathanPT:
I dont like the Galaxy S form, i enjoy much more the Vibrant variant that the Americans have :(
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] boarne71:
I just cant believe how you can say that the sgs camera is equal and better then the camera on the dhd. Reading this in here and I have personally compared these side by side just a week ago,and before that played with the sgs so much like almost night and day for over a month with all kind of test of the camera.

All I can say is that you must have a faulty dhd and should get it replaced asap,cause your experience is so wrong.

Anyways,compare sgs to dhd is pretty hard,they both got their good and bad sides like everything else in life ;) Both are the best androids out there right now,very good phones.

Edit: Double checked pictures now on both my sgs and dhd.. Indoor low light no flash used,they are pretty close,sgs has a smoother softer picture and the dhd have a sharper more detailed picture. They both perform real good in low light indoor. But when using flash on the dhd woooow,its really outstanding and it does an amazing job with those dual flash it got,just amazing. And outdoor the sgs is fine,but dhd is much better with its much better details and sharper pictures.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] johcos:
When i take pics of my son (which i want to use as a wallpaper) i get a very noisy pic with no detail not usable as a wallpaper even in good light conditions. His hair for example seems like a grey-black mass. (i use pictures taken with the hd2 as wallpapers in my sgs). None of my previous phones captured so bad pictures. I don't care about exposures and such I'm no photographer, all i want is to be able to take pictures and not be ashamed to show them or print them which with the sgs this is out of the question.

The sgs cannot be compared with any phone, it's the worse by far. I've have seen pictures taken with a 3,2mp camera that are far better and with more detail than the sgs.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rixsta:
Well my camera in low light looks like its snowing...its that bad...now im going to post some pictures so you guys can see what im talking about...must be faulty...ive not been able to take one picture that i have been able to keep...not one.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] johcos:
The same happens with the sgs my friend even in good light conditions, if you look in a black area and if you try to zoom then you get disappointed.

At least with the dhd you have the flash to eliminate the problem with low light conditions and the pics are sharper with more detail in good light conditions.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Beards:
Or have you thought your SGS is faulty?

I know this is a DHD section so you are bound to defend the DHD over the SGS. In no way would I defend the SGS unless I thought it merited the action.

If you go to the SGS section you will see a similar pattern where SGS owners will rave on about how much they are pleased with the camera on the SGS.

Google the SGS camera and you will find review after review stating the SGS takes excellent shots.

Now do the same for the DHD and you won't get as much praise.

Unbelievable... Go read the reviews of the SGS camera.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Beards:
Show me a picture taken by your SGS so I can look at it. I'll check it's EXIF data.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rixsta:
Still think the camera on the Desire HD is better than the Galaxy S

Ive put some pictures on this thread here....take alook....no matter what I do...they look like this

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=8964149#post8964149

Now take a look at the Galaxy s..

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=817464&page=11

Galaxy S blows the DHD away everytime....no matter where they are taken...unless pitch black and then the DHD flash does come into it but looks noisy and to bright....no shock there...terrible camera...well on mine anyway.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] johcos:
Here's a pic with my sgs.

http://db.tt/ZiFUhRE
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Beards:
That does not look anything like the shots I take with my SGS.

Here's an example of a shot taken from my SGS.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] johcos:
I saw your pics my friend and i would say two things:

One is that if my sgs took pics like that i would love it. (maybe i have a faulty sgs)

The other one is that maybe you have a faulty camera on your dhd or you have a setting wrong, I know that htc doesn't have the best cameras but this one is too bad and if i can compare it with the hd2 camera (also htc but 5mp) then the hd2 takes better pics.

As I said before I have preordered my dhd and waiting for it to be available here in greece (they said to me the first half of November) and when I'll have it in my hands I'll post here some pics for comparison.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] johcos:
Maybe I have a faulty sgs I don't know my friend.

For me it doesn't capture so good pics, as I said I cannot even use them as wallpapers they are noisy and blury. Haven't had this problem with my hd2.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rixsta:
Ok some progress..

@beards...yeah mate I can get pictures like that...or should I say could ..ha. (see pic of my son in other thread...somewhere in link below...great camera)

Turned the ISO down to 100 and took the same pictures again....much better..

Link to thread ..

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=8965676#post8965676

It still doesn't match my SGS...seems that people have better results with the same phones....strange...A mystery I guess...oh well...I can live with these pictures...

I asked on the other thread (one in the link)...does your DHD auto zoom in...mine does and its really annoying that I have to zoom out again...its got a mind of its own..
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Beards:
Yes Rick, the ISO ~ that's a common problem people using the SGS forget to check.

It defaults at ISO400 but as soon as you change it to ISO100 you get much much better shots.

It's well worth users checking ALL the settings on the camera because just like a normal camera once you have applied the settings you get excellent shots.

Re the problem you mention on the DHD ~ I know what you mean.... I had exactly the same problem.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rixsta:
I was talking about the ISO on the DHD..I had it set to auto as soon as I changed it to 100 then it took much better pictures...I never changed it on my SGS...maybe I could of got even better shots with it..oh well I sold it for other reasons...

Back to the DHD problem, are you saying you get the auto zoom problem, Ive asked a few people and they say it doesn't happen...but it does on mine a lot...If I wanted to zoom in I would but the dam thing takes it upon itself to do it, then I have to manually zoom back out and start again....hard to take pictures of my 3 year old as he gets bored and wonders off haha...I sure it shouldn't be doing this...Im also pretty sure it could do with a software update for the camera settings...will we get one...Im not sure as some people dont have any problems.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Beards:
Unfortunately I don't have the sample DHD with me at the moment to check but yes, when I switched on the camera App it automatically zoomed close in. I then had to zoom it out to the setting required.

I couldn't find a setting that altered the zoom level to remain fully zoomed out on start-up.

I should be getting the phone back for further testing on Friday.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rixsta:
Ok beards, let me know what your findings are..as far as I know there isn't a setting to alter the zoom to fixed..

Now Ive got a lag issue to sort...the joys of smartphones haha
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Beards:
No problem..... and re the lag ~ Yep it started doing that too and the loudspeaker is that poor when listening to calls you have to have everyone grouped close around the phone.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rixsta:
Maybe I should of stuck with my SGS...Ive started a thread about the lag and yes the speaker is pretty foul....again compared to the SGS...

Ahh...it sound s like I hate this phone but I really dont, there are many things it does better than the SGS...I guess Ill have to way up what's important to me..

And then theres the matter of Gingerbread....cant see the SGS getting it, look at all the hassle over Froyo..maybe Ill wait and see what comes out next..I really dont no what to do if Im honest.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Beards:
Well, I could give you my recommendation but we are in a Desire HD section.

All I know is I am no longer convinced the DHD is the answer.

I've seen the material which is going into the SGS's Froyo & Fixes program and if Samsung deliver as the spec sheet it's going to take the phone back up as one to beat.

Not that it applies any more for you Rick but there's a new ROM file coming very soon.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rixsta:
Yes but the thread is Desire HD or Galaxy S so it shouldn't matter...anyway sent you a PM...
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Spaky:
Can you share with us these breaking-news? Since you post here, it would be nice to ear these news and compare to DHD, the thread is on DHD vs. SGS, no?
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LeviathanPT:
Hmm idd giving such comments and not explaining why is just ridiculous and doubtfull of your acclaimed info. Please share the information.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] airf0rce:
Really ? I mean , I have a SGS and id really like that to be true, however very little is actually being done about lags in SGS, i pretty much tried every better FW/ROM on my SGS, even newest froyo (which is supposed to be final i guess) and the lag is still there. They ve improved things (compared to first Eclair FWs) especially if u dont have a lots of apps , but when you do , the phone gets really annoying to use without a lagfix.

Still, i have opportunity to exchange my SGS for DHD , but im not exactly sure if its best idea. As much as i hate SGS problems, i really like the screen (and HW of the phone :) ), fact that custom roms are making a good progress and most of those problems can be solved anyway and DHD also has a few bugs (INIT CPU usage for example being very annoying one)
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shorty083:
Well, I've tried the dhd now for about 10 days, but I'm just too disappointed with the camera/video/sound and screen quality, which are high in my list.

Mine also lags and has the proximity sensor problem.

Now I know this could all probably be fixed with a firmware upgrade and xda mods,

but the same can be said for the sgs with it's lagfixes and custom roms.

So all in all, even though I do like the phone, it's build quality and the sense interface, I just don't like it more then my sgs.

I'm kinda disappointed, but I've decided to send the dhd back and keep the money for another future phone, maybe the nexus 2.

My current setup on my sgs with jm9 + voodoo kernel fulfills all my needs, good camera and sound quality, screen is gorgeous, and aside from the gps troubles (which is actually functioning pretty decently with jm9) it does what it needs to do for me.

Maybe the next htc android phone, will lure me away back to htc, but for the moment I'll keep my sgs.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ll_l_x_l_ll:
i think all the sgs, desire hd, Z, are all more or less the same phone. its just a matter of which do you like more.

bigger screen ? dhd

keyboard ? z

light and pretty screen ? sgs.

honestly they are not superior to another. there is no gap between the devices like the shift from htc magic to nexus.

honestly i think spending money to switch from sgs to desire hd or z or vise versa is waste of your money.

if you dont have a good phone, then pick one of those. if you do have an sgs, or desire hd, dont bother looking at the others. its not worth it.

however. the duel processors phone that are coming. are different story.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bilboa1:
Made a friend go DHD to avoid the lag issue of the SGS..

bang.. the DHD has EVEN WORSE lag issue than the SGS lol...

It's not fixed so far (and there's no fix) and he's returning the phone and getting and iphone or a SGS.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Beards:
Well Froyo the 'Official' version is now available for download.

This will make interesting figures to compare against the DHD.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mwatson:
My 2nd DHD went back to the shop today and I got a refund. What else is there to buy? I sent my iPhone 4 back so I could get the DHD which was actually underwhelming, so now what? I have £500 burning a hole in my pocket!

Do I get a Samsung Galaxy or back to the iPhone which I became quite bored of. Or maybe I just get a Nokia 2110 and have done with it!
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LeviathanPT:
Im more interested in the port they are making for the Samsung Galaxy S of the HTC Sense, the video that they released so far looks good for a pre-alpha.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xspyda:
If the Galaxy S had a flash (LED) I would buy it now but the lack of this makes me hesitate. I don't want it for taking pictures as LED is not much use anyway, I want the flash for using the phone as a torch - as I can with my Nokia's.

This is the only think that prevents me getting the S. Now the DHD is am option with the LED's but somehow I am just not sure whether to go for HTC.

It has been said that if you have one or the other don't bother changing as there is not enough of a difference but what if you have neither? Those of you who have both or have experience with both, can you tell me which one you would buy if it was one or the other?

Take into account also that the Galaxy S comes in about £50 cheaper sim free and is widely available now whereas the DHD is like gold dust currently.

Or - wait for the next Galaxy S (Nexus Two maybe)?
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BigMango:
The DHD.

As you say, the DHD can take pictures in the dark and be used as a torch.

The DHD also has a higher quality screen; it displays close to natural colors. The GS color representation on the other hand is very poor (which is no surprise, it's a samsung :) ); it displays oversaturated fluorescent colors. The DHD pixel grid is also better than on the amoled screen, this makes the text look sharper (the resolution looks higher even if it is the same) and so you don't loose anything going from the GS 4" to the DHD 4.3".

Furthermore, if I want to use my phone for web and emailing there are 2 options: either I go all out with a 4.3 screen to be comfortable on the web (there is no need to zoom-in in landscape mode with the DHD), or I take a small phone. The GS is almost the same size as the DHD, but has a smaller screen.

To me, the GS has only 2 advantages: it is lighter (which I prefer) and it has a front camera (which I don't need; I have never used the front cam of my TytnII in 4 years).

As for the photo quality, while better on the GS it still is a phone camera. So, either I have a phone camera to be ready to take shots in all situations (which the GS cannot do due to the absence of flash) or if I need to take some serious shots I'll always need a real camera. So to me this point goes to the advantage of the DHD thanks to the flash.

The DHD also has a better GPS, which is important to me. Too many people have reported GPS tracking problems with the GS, even with the new firmwares.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Wekko306:
I was in the same position as you are just two weeks ago: buying either a DHD or SGS. Done a lot of reading and watching some Youtube vids (although there were hardly any useful vids of the DHD) and decided to go to the store to try them both.

I was very underwhelmed with the feel of the SGS, especially compared to the DHD. The SGS is a fine phone I'm sure (if you don't have any lag problems) but after comparing it to the DHD I just couldn't go for the SGS. The DHD feels sturdier and I prefer the Sense interface, so I went for the DHD.

Don't regret my decision at all since I don't have any lag/prox sensor problems, and my reboot problems seem to have been fixed as well.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] planetboe:
I'd like to see this video. Do you have a link for us?
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xspyda:
Thanks for your comments. These is just one thing that lets the DHD down badly though in my opinion and that's it's speaker. Sure the SGS speaker is not brilliant but I could happily watch a program / film using it and I don't suppose calls over speakerphone would be an issue either. The DHD on the other hand, if it's anywhere near as bad as the original Desire (and I'm hearing that it is) will be next to useless for either of these.

I'm not bashing the DHD at all, nor am I bigging up the SGS. I genuinely do not know which to get ... if any!
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
Well it has to be said that the speaker is poor like the hd2 and the video camera is disappointing. Still shots are ok.

The battery cover is fiddly. The phone feels bigger and heavier than my hd2?

With that said sense is great on the hd and android runs like a dream. Not had any issues yet and after only an hour playing with the sgs and about the same in the hd I think I do prefer the desire. Is that cause I have been playing with the desire rom on my hd2 as well?
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LeviathanPT:
HTC Sense port running in a Galaxy S

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPnA81wLCzg
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LeviathanPT:
Bump just to see if people can actually bare to read before posting threads...
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ale0crysis:
Galaxy S has sold 10 millions smartphones so it will be the best supported smartphone ever even from cyanogen very soon, no reason to chose Desire HD, Nexus Two is coming on winter holiday, 600€ for old smartphone HD? no thx
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] johcos:
Hello my friend. I'm an owner of SGS and have preordered the DHD.(not available in my country yet)

The SGS with froyo has a very low amount of ram, bad for websites with flash and some apps. DHD is the winner here.

If you care about the "looks" of the UI in general not only sense then you should go for DHD again because the SGS is nearly OEM.

Also about the camera that you mention although a lot of people are saying that the SGS has a better camera my personal experience is that the images are full of noise and blurry and only in full daylight are decent. The DHD pictures from what I see have also noise but are sharper and you also can use the flash for darker areas.

Another thing that would drive me away from SGS is that samsung cannot fix the problems (lag) of it's own phone not even with froyo when the community here managed to fix it.

The one disadvantage for the DHD in my opinion is the battery life.

Hope I helped you a bit.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BigMango:
The DHD has divx hardware accelerated decoding (it's in the new snapdragon chipset).

Rockplayer and the free vplayer also work fine with all of the formats (i.ex: mkv).

As you already know, the DHD /init problem has an easy fix (enable usb debugging). So we can be pretty sure that this will get fixed with an update.

As for the GS, it has a much more complicated lag problem caused by the different filesystem Samsung is using. You can fix it with a non-official rom, but its not as simple as the DHD /init fix.

I now had my DHD for 3 weeks and it has always been slick fast and lag free. I never had the /init problem and have never enabled usb debugging.

+ notification LEDs for missed call/messages/email (this is important, on the GS there is no way to know you missed a call or message without turning the phone on. How could Samsung forget such a basic phone functionality???).

+ it can be used as a torch (thanks to the dual led flash), which is very useful at times.

I don't have this problems with my DHD. As far as I can see I got a perfect phone.

My casing is perfect and the proximity sensor has always worked well.

Yes, the exteranl speaker is not too loud; but frankly, its good enough for what it needs to do (and who is listening to music on a phone speaker anyway?).

Furthermore, we have already seen with other phones that this can be fixed with a software update. So this might improve.

All of the benchmarks I have seen have shown that both GPUs have almost the same performance. The DHD has an improved chipset with an new CPU/GPU compared to the Desire/Nexus.

The DHD is lag free today. Mine has always been.

And for the people who had the /init problem, enabling usb debugging fixes the problem in less than 10 seconds.

With the GS it's another story altogether. You need to get your hands dirty with unofficial roms.

Frankly, I think the GS camera is a little better, but it's still a phone camera. So, considering this last point, this is a useless advantage without a flash.

Because a phone camera is there to be ready to take quick shots in every situation (which the GS fails to do due to the absence of flash). For serious pictures you will always take out a real camera anyway.

So, considering the above, the DHD wins on the camera. It can take shots at any time, day and night; and thus fulfill its duty, which the GS can't.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] danamoult:
Just gonna jump in and say that to remove the lag on the sgs you do NOT need to flash a custom rom; the lagfixs that the community have released all work on official stock roms as well. If you are a bit more capable there are also custom kernels that allow you to increase the available ram and also make the backlights of the softkeys work as a pseudo-led notification light.

Oh and the camera works great even without flash - the night mode is pretty good. Of course it won't beat a flash in pitch darkness but that goes without saying.