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[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] richardbroder:
Well, applying lagfixes to the SGS is not really very hard, as a matter of fact it´s very easy, and definitely makes the SGS worth your money. But sure, I agree with you - it should be the kind of stuff that should be delivered by Samsung, not devs, thankfully, tho, we got the devs and xda ;)

About the finish, the SGS is very well-built, and although it´s plastic, it is very hi-quality plastic, it´s just as well-built as any iPhone 3GS/iPod... and don´t forget, its thanks to plastic that Samsung was able to put the most powerfull hardware inside one of the thinnest and lightest devices in the market, the SGS nearly scares of so think and light it is, specially when you consider all the power that´s stuffed in there. Is metal nice? Absolutely. But having the thinest and lightest device is nicer.... it´s even more scary when you think that not only is the SGS thinner and MUCH lighter, it also sports a bigger battery... and all this with the same CPU/GPU power... so, for me at least design-wise the Galaxy S is superior (more/equal CPU/GPU power + bigger battery + much lighter + nicer screen = win).

In all other aspects I think both devices will be very comparable, since both are droids running equally powerfull hardware. For last, there´s GPS. And GPS wise the SGS definitely sucks, The DHD will certainly be superior (can´t think of anything inferior or even as bad as SGS for GPS :p), so if GPS is a must for you, stay away from SGS...
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Award Tour:
From what I've read, the benchmarks are putting the Desire HD's Adreno 205 GPU as an equal to the hummingbird. So the SGS is no longer a huge leader in that category.

Display wise, I'd prefer 4.3"; and while size is a preference thing, I'm willing to bet that few would want to go back to < 4.3" after trying it out for a long period of time. S-AMOLED gives better blacks, more vibrant color, and higher contrast but still suffers in direct sun light compared to LCD. It also has a funky way of using sub pixels that results in less clarity when compared to LCD. Then add the fact that in regular use S-AMOLED has shown to have considerable battery drain and I'd sacrifice S-AMOLED for a 4.3" LCD. I wish it was SLCD but that's how it goes.

Other specs include a 256 MB bump from SGS's 512 MB, so that's a plus.

IMO, the build quality of the DHD absolutely kills the SGS.

Software-wise it has Sense which some love (and I hate), but more importantly, as a flagship HTC device, it'll have much more community support. So you'll probably see AOSP roms like CM on it with the added benefit of having a fully supported build of HTC Sense.

To me there's no question what device is better. The DHD is already competitive (and in some ways better) than the SGS spec-wise, but once you start to add community support (custom ROMs & Kernels), it'll tip the DHD way over the SGS.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] richardbroder:
Yes, but the SGS has been available for months now, plus, the DHD is much heavier and bulkier, for its size and market time you´d expect it to have, at least, something more powerful then the SGS. Having to wait for months just to get something that´s much heavier, and is just "almost as powerful" as something that has already been there for months just doesn´t seem much of an advantage for me. And, according to rumours based on Samsung´s SoC development timeline, it won´t take long until Samsung launches the successor to the Hummingbird/Galaxy S, so, basically, the DHD is just running against the clock... and so is the SGS in this sense, but the SGS has been in the market long enough to have justified itself.

S-AMOLED has good sunlight legibility, AMOLED didn´t have. Power consumption is relative. S-AMOLED uses more power to display whites and less power to display blacks. In real-world terms, S-AMOLED displays consume more power to display predominantly white screens (such as web-pages), and less power displaying everything else. Menus and applications (wich predominatly use black as backround), movies and games in general will run longer in a S-AMOLED display. In fact, real world tests show the SGS having much more battery-life then its TFT-powered android siblings. Light output (total brightness) is inferior to TFT, but, since S-AMOLED displays perfect contrast levels with pitch-black levels, it actually feels brighter to the eye.

For the DHD in specific, having a bigger 4.3 screen means it will definitely have higher screen power requirements, which is a problem considering its small 1230mah battery, so its actually a bit of a worry.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Award Tour:
The bottom line is that if I were to recommend one over the other, I'd choose the DHD. I'd personally never buy a Samsung no matter how good the specs were, just too bad of a history.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bilboa1:
brand hate :p

i think the build quality of the sgs is very good and i like their choice as it's a lot lighter. certainly you may get a feeling "steels stronger" but the plastic of the sgs is actually strong, totally strong enough for my use - which includes going in hostile environment from time to time (not *all* the time, just every now and then and by hostile i'm talking jungle/wet/high temperature)

also the DHD has not been really released yet so we don't know it's issues.

in all cases it's going to be a good phone, but while it's mostly on par with the SGS ( afew things are better a few things are worse), it doesn't feel like a phone to replace it, especially that it's priced a lot higher

Probably the next generation in early 2011.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Beards:
A few pointers worth mentioning ~

In reference to speed in that the DHD is just as fast..... don't forget the SGS was measured when under Eclair. Even then it was above all the others.

With Froyo it is going to fly.

In reference to the outer casing.... It's a tricky one.

Do you go for a nice looking but heavy metal over a more standard plastic but much lighter.

It's proven the SGS can be dropped from a height of 1mtr on to a hard surface (a pavement) and still survive. This is partly down to the fact it uses the 'Gorilla' screen, so it's not the protection that is an issue but more the looks.

Personally, I'd rather have a lighter, thinner but equally strong phone than one which may look more like a heavy Transformers kit. Plus, if it's heavier it's going to hit the floor harder.

The trapdoors on the DHD are a good idea though... especially the battery cover which saves having to worry about taking the entire back On/Off repeatedly each time there's a failure.

The other point to consider is the hardware.

We know both phone's sport some super kit inside.

The DHD has a great GPS but lackluster camera/video

The SGS on the other hand has a poor GPS but fantastic camera/video.

However, lets not forget that the GPS chip in the SGS is the latest Broadcom multi-chip which controls not just GPS but BT3.0 & Wifi.

It's a new chip and that's where the problem lays. Further development should have been carried out with this chip before it went mainstream on the SGS.

You can't blame Broadcom though..... Samsung took the decision to get the SGS out too soon to counter against the i-Phone 4.

Conclusion: Once the SGS has it's combined Froyo, GPS, Wifi, Lag & Filesystem fixes it's going to be one heck of a phone.

So many other features too ~ like plugging in a cable into the Audio Out on the SGS which then branches out to a 3 RCS for direct connection to a TV.

This allows you to see the SGS direct on your TV where you can either browse the Internet, Play games (Need for Speed is bloody awesome as on the TV you can see the cockpit lurch from side to side) or do anything on the TV that you do on the phone.

Video file support is better too ~ e.g. MKV files play without the need for any conversion.

Audio through the Mic is loud and not distorted.

The screen is simply to die for.

We've already mentioned the camera before but let's not forget, although the SGS does not sport a dedicated camera flash it simply does not need one.

The sensor has one of the lowest f-stop ratings found on any camera. The result being able to shoot in much darker situations without the need for a flash which in turn means you get better looking photo's that look more natural than one's where a flash has bleached out the shot.

Low light video is superb..... I filmed my granddaughters birthday at night and watching my daughter carry her cake with all the candles lit in near total darkness was gorgeous. :)

So which phone to choose....... I'm absolutely sure both phone's deliver. It's simply a case of what you like.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RoadHazard:
I would probably get an SGS if I believed all of these things were going to get properly fixed. Unfortunately, I don't. Therefore, I'm now looking to the DHD instead, hoping it will be what the SGS turned out not to be.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Smartmob:
+1 :) ......
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Beards:
I'm sure for the most the DHD will deliver and deliver well..... That is the strength of HTC. At least you can rely on them.

I've had a string of HTC phones and where there was a problem it eventually was fixed.

Remember the 'pink syndrome' on the HD2 camera where it had a large pink circle in the middle. I was at the front in getting that fixed, providing HTC with all manner of information from xda-devs and in truth they at least listened... which is very difficult to achieve now I am doing it again only this time with Samsung.

But putting aside Samsung's general attitude and the present problems on the GSG, I still believe it is a great phone.

If you follow the SGS section you may find I am privy to 'some information' direct from within Samsung. Because of this I know the problems associated will be fixed.

It's not so much as the hardware letting the platform down but time.........

The longer a user waits the more deeper the problem feels.

It's no different to than what it was a couple of months back, it only feels worse the longer it gets.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MacaronyMax:
(op) I think you should post this in the sgs section to or android general because being in the dhd section you are getting most of the dhd fans pointing out the bad of the sgs and good of the dhdi think it's best for a two sided argument ;) ;p
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Beards:
Quite a good idea......

It will always be the case that each section will support and defend it's hardware diligently.

It's good to have differing opinions or a non biased attitude as it opens the forum for further debate.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bruce007:
Coming from an HTC Desire and switching to a Samsung Galaxy S, I can't wait to get back to HTC. The specs of the Desire HD are such that I don't have to think about it one second. The thing that I did not like about the Galaxy is the build quality, which is in all honesty, less than that of HTC. Altough it is only of minor importance, I missed the LED flash.

Other things that disappointed me, without going into too much detail, have to do with software. The widgets available are poor. Other things like integration of facebook and such are lacking. By and large the device misses out on intuitiveness.

Seeing the list of functionality that HTC have added to an already outstanding sense experience, I can't see any reason to go with Samsung. The hardware of the Samsung Galaxy S was the reason why I switched. Not enough reason as far as I can tell...
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] deli_gt:
Seems that you are SGS owner.

And your answer "With Froyo it is going to fly." made me laugh coz there are tons of custom froyo firmwares available AND IT DOESN'T FLY, DSD gets almost same scores with stock then SGS with custom ****, so after DSD gets custom **** it flies like superman.

My quick answer to SGS after 2 weeks usage is that it feels like toy that I could give to my son. So I returned it to shop. NO LED FLASH

I take photos all the time indoor and in dark places well so that sucks.

And even after lag fix it still had random lag sometimes. And the gps just sucks ass and I think it's hardware not software.

Size of it BOOO!!!! same as DSD but smaller screen.

Only thing I liked was battery it lasted longer than on my nexus.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
This is a good point and i had toyed with the idea. However, as the dhd had not been released i kinda hoped i would get a more balanced view posting it just here? I may have been wrong? but i do seem to have had a fair few samsung owners posting, and without counting, i think they have been mainly disappointed with their phone?

The dhd is on order and will be here hopefully very soon after release so i will be able to post an opinion on it shortly after?
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] henrik.dk:
The sgs owner you got here might be those who are not happy with sgs.

They are looking for replacement also.

There might be plenty of others which are extremely happy with sgs.

I personally don't like sgs due to build quality. no led flash.

I don't like dhd as it doesn't have track ball/super aled screen/camera button
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Beards:
You quite obviously are not aware the custom Froyo ROM's unperformed on all accounts.

Those custom ROM's are nowhere near complete.

They do not have any of the official improvements on the filesystem, nor the GPS, nor the Wifi, nor the lag and nor the graphics chip.

Have you seen the benchmark figures for the SGS with the official Froyo & improvements?

I think not.

Now I've said my peace, I still say the DHD is one heck of a great device and although I do have an SGS that does not say I won't be adding a DHD to my list because I definitely will.

The difference here between you and I is I know full well where Samsung have let down the SGS but I display it in a constructive manner that forms a topic of debate.

I can see where both phones are let down and don't defend either.... only when one is attacked with little or incorrect information.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Beards:
Well said.....

At last someone else who is willing to shout the errors on both devices.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bilboa1:
i disgress, sgs build quality is good. it's not because it's plastic that it's bad quality. it's strong and light plastic, strong glass, i actually like it more than the aluminum phones. it's so light.

but also no led, no flash, poor current software

dhd: most likely poor camera despite being 8M + flash, heavy, no samoled

software will certainly be better than the sgs

high price

note that the sgs doesnt have a trackball or camera button either

if you dont mind the plastic, the lack of led and flash (it can be argued i never needed flash so far) the sgs could be a great deal, especially due to the excellent screen and a lot lower price... it could be if the software was fixed

i think that's the culprit. everyone is hoping samsung is going to fix most of it very soon, and we will see.

if its another 3-6month or more without fixes then id say unless you're willing to hack the phone around (thanks to xda devs btw), get a dhd
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Beards:
Another member who appreciates a forum is a place of debate.

Nice one. :)
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mark wild:
True.

Exactly... a forum is a place of debate for it's suggested topic. Praising the topic and share opinions in favor to inform and to be informed.

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And than there is that thin line to fan-boy trolling.

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:D
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Beards:
I know you are only joking and I honestly appreciate good humor.

But just in case there are those who think I am posting only to defend the SGS again and again; clearly I am not.

I would defend the DHD if I thought it were being given an unfair chance at proving itself.

In other topics I have praised the DHD and slammed the SGS.

It's just that members will defend their sections religiously ~ hense my reasons in asking we 'debate' and not condone. :)
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mark wild:
And - I LIKE BIG SCREENS and i can not lie, you other brothers can't deny.

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It's all down to personal understanding to what is a act of fan-boy-ism to one, for others it is going to be the one opinion on what they decide future actions.

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For me it is clear by testing the Samsung Galaxy S for numerous times again and again i JUST can't get (or trick) my self to buy it, just cuz i used Sense UI and it just blow'd me away. Numerous of little things that makes the Sense UI experience one that has no rival.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Beards:
Absolutely no problem.... I've a couple of HTC phones myself and do love Sense.

For me I wanted to see what all the hype was with the SGS and am pleased with what it gives me outside Sense which I do miss. :)
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] deli_gt:
I were just going to call him TROLL but damn you were quicker and better. fan-boy trolling, 100% bullseye.

SGS F*****g SUCKS, and thats just the way it is. My pure opinion.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stormfury_2:
Blunt, but I think you got your point across in a clear and concise manner.

PS i'm +1 for DHD and surely we can all agree that at least both phones are doing one thing correctly and that is sporting Android OS in whatever flavour you choose to consume it in. :)
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Beards:
If you had bothered to take half the time and effort instead of slamming me you would have realized I'm actually purchasing a DHD.... but no, members like you have no conception to the idea of debate.

A forum is a place where we not only share ideas but also 'opinions'.

Often these opinions entail discussing other items that may not be direct to the topic itself but relate nonetheless.

Members are allowed to express their opinion and where any member should be seen to show disregard to any other member that/those members shall be noted.

In other words, get off my case.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mark wild:
+1

WORD!!! (hip-hop face)
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Beards:
Apologies Mark, I did not understand that meaning but I am absolutely sure you understand what I was saying previously.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mark wild:
:D :D :D

Translated from gangsta slang, that means - I AGREE TO THAT.

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Dude, let some F'ing culture in your life. :D

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WOOORD!!! :)
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Beards:
Ahhh.. I see... Thanks.

Unfortunately I spend far too much time in Theatre heading my own Surgery team and do get bogged down.

Being close to 60yrs of age does not help either...

I'll get one of my gang to help me along next time. :D

P.S. whilst I am here (and I do apologize to everyone for talking off topic briefly), did you get those photo's I sent on Dropbox?

Can't remember if you replied sorry.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mark wild:
I did get them, yeah. Their were nice. Really... And, if I may add, this conversation must continue only then, when we get our hands on DHD to really compere the photo functions.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Beards:
Agree.... :)

I'll leave my Dropbox photo's online for when we all get a chance to compare.

Must admit... I'm seriously looking forward to getting my hands on the DHD.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mark wild:
:)

Yes. Me to...

We just have to prepere our selfs for an epic battle between the Samsung and the HTC brand for the next year. Everyone is gonna have different opinions and points of view to what they think is the best at that moment the new super gadget lounches, but... In my humble opinion, this is a gadget to build a society on.

We must combine our efforts just to make the Desire HD expiriance a lasting one, in terms of hacking, tweeking, boosting and just making everything an big eyecandy.

Only together we can make the expiriance of using this superb gadget a good and good lasting one.

+1 to myself.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SupremeBeaver:
+1. And nicely put :P
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] azreil24:
After owning 4 HTC phones now I`m going back to the family when DHD comes to my town. I now own a SGS, not disapointed, especially when I never was a Samsung fan, it works great, the first phone that played mkv`s without the need of re-encoding them, and the graphic card wich is the best of the best :P, even though I didn`t use it to its full potential, but, as always, programers from samsung don`t like to do their job, the froyo implementation, from my point of view, won`t bring any spectacular changes than the current beta versions. Even so, if the HTC programmers won`t do their job too, XDA has its ellite developers wich are way more on HTC side than Samy :)
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mafiatounes:
I passed on the sgs after seeing what samsung support/software is like I had the i8000 for a while and the software is bad ok it was winmo but the kies pc software is terrible! And after reading that the sgs is almost the same with bugs/lags/gps problems + without a led flash and the cheaper feel i will go for the dhd because my first htc (legend) left me with a good feeling and the dhd will only do better dhd al the waayyy!
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Beards:
I know how you feel.... I had two HTC phones before my present Galaxy S.

I still love the SGS as it does give certain things I still can not achieve even with the DHD (MKV video, super low light camera, gorgeous screen) but I do miss HTC.

That's why I intend to run two phones this time... the SGS with 'hopefully' all the fixes & Froyo and the DHD.

Personally I'm looking forward to comparing the two (when the SGS is fixed that is).
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ewingr:
Beards...since the derivitive for AT&T, Captivate came out, I have not been in the SGS forums, and have missed your good and gentlemanly input.

I purchased the Captivate, and loved it. Does not feel cheap to me. The battery cover is actually metal on it, and looks nice.

Anyway...I took it back due to the GPS problems, and didn't want to get stuck for 2 years with poor GPS. Have been expecting to re-purchase after the GPS fix. In my case, my reason for a Smart Phone is to not have to carry multiple devices, GPS being an important one for me.

I found this thread because I am becoming disillusioned with whether or not Samsung will get it fixed. Their handling of it has been a fiasco, with some support reps saying the latest patch out last week does fix the GPS (which it only improves but doesn't fix), and other saying it is not 'the' fix.

Its nice to see civil discussions here. The GPS mess has caused a lot of uncivil messages, and bickering between people who complain about it not being fixed, and those who complain about those complainers (in particular on another popular Android Forum) :rolleyes: Tired of reading that, but must if wanting to know when the fix is here.

Anyway, back on topic, I'm to the point of trying to decide what to purchase instead. I really don't want to move to Verizon, but if I do, I suppose it would be the Incredible.

But, I am at the point of wondering about the DHD. But I have not seen any input on if/when it will come to U.S. carriers, or which ones.

Beards...I can't imagine that Samsung doesn't interest in fixing the GPS. But with only a couple days left in September (for those who don't know, Samsung said they would 'optimize' the GPS in September...and that update last week did help it from what I gather), I'm losing confidence.

I suppose if I decide I want the DHD, maybe that gives Samsung longer to fix the GPS before losing me as a customer, as I continue waiting for something.

But it is painful...after the great experience with the SGS (of course except GPS), I'm back on my old TILT, but at least the GPS works flawlessly.