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[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BigMango:
There's everything to be impressed about it. No other device does it.

If it's using hibernation or not is a complete non-issue. The only thing that matters to me is the result.

So what? If I need to remove the battery or flash it 3 times per year, where is the problem?

Again, a non-issue.

Now, here you are not making any sense at all.

99% or the time a normal user will switch the phone on it will use fastboot; so everyone will make use of it all the time.

Seriously, now you are only sounding like a jealous iphone4 or whatever user trying to belittle an awesome feature.

We don't know this yet. It could also save the bootup image information on a specific flash, or something else. Maybe it does, perhaps not. We will see.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TNStrangelove:
If you are referring to the Engadget test I know it was AMOLED vs SLCD and not S-Amoled but..

Amoled screens take three times as much power to produce white, this leads to worse real world battery drain(websites for example are primarily white). On videos however they have an clear advantage as videos use darker colours primarily. The engadget test was video playback.

I know S-AMOLED is meant to be more power efficient than AMOLED but I am still inclined to believe that in real world usage it still uses more power than regular LCD. I could be wrong of course.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] s1rl4ncel0t:
Will Desire HD support bluetooth profile RSAP as SGS does? (By the way, SGS is the ONLY Android device supporting this profile).

This is VERY important to me

Thanks
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GeoMil:
Source?
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] override182:
Here : http://blog.laptopmag.com/android-battery-test-reveals-droid-x-lasts-longest-amoled-handsets-trail

seems that SLCD 45nm phones are leading in battery test especially when intense web browsing since web browsing displays more of whites compared to blacks/colours.. Gaming and media, perhaps AMOLED wins but in most daily usage such as web browsing, SLCD wins..

but it wont be a much help for HTC Sense since htc sense is mostly uses dark colours.. perhaps using a lighter or white more colours on the new htc sense skin option would help a bit
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bilboa1:
therefore it should matter to you. if you have to reboot your phone, then it will take just as long as the SGS... hibernation will only work when you "turn off" the phone and don't need a real reboot. a situation that happens very rarely.

There are 3 modes (all of which are standard linux features - but drivers have to support some of them properly):

1 - slow - real shutdown (reinitialize everything)

2 - fast - hibernation (save memory to disk, and load from disk)

3 - INSTANT - sleep mode (shutdown everything except the ram, even the cpu etc)

all the phones support the sleep mode. in sleep mode, the SGS is rated 24 days. Let's say you get 1-2 weeks out of it. To enable complete sleep as long as you're not using ****ty apps, just put it into airplane mode and done, it will sleep automatically when the screen dims to black.

you don't have to split my post in 4 replies to say the same thing with an aggressive attitude in each btw
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Galaid:
what for is RSAP? which bt equipment do u use?
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] umd:
Everyone says Desire HD's screen is SLCD but unfortunately it is not an SLCD. It is regular TFT LCD. You can see that from here.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TNStrangelove:
I would hardly call that conclusive proof.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Super Galaxy S:
Desire HD screen is weak and the colour.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] umd:
I think you should read this thread.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=783572&page=2
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TNStrangelove:
I have and I have also seen articles where people have said it was confirmed SLCD at the London event also, besides SLCD is a type of LCD, does it say on that inventory sheet TFT LCD? (I can't read french). It seems to be pretty up in the air at the moment, lots of conflicting reports.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] umd:
There are two diffirent thesis and everyone says ''it was confirmed'' :) Right now, I can believe only what I see from these pictures.

Yes, SLCD is improved version of LCD. Though it's so much better than TFT LCD.

I hope it's SLCD. Let's wait and see :)
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SupremeBeaver:
Im starting to believe its not SLCD at all. Look at comparison pics here

http://asia.cnet.com/crave/2010/09/16/side-by-side-htc-desire-hd-desire-z-and-desire/

Its washed out compared to the Desire Z.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Galaid:
At least it's not worse than EVO :p. More important is coating, how readable would it be in the sunlight.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TNStrangelove:
My point was someone confirming it was LCD could mean just that it is not AMOLED, it doesn't have to mean TFT.

But yeah as far as I'm concerned it's screen status is "unconfirmed" for now.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BigMango:
As per the above link, the guys from Journaldugeek (which is a well known respectable french news blog) have said that they have specifically asked several HTC product chiefs (this means not just some random sales people) at the event if it was LCD or SLCD or AMOLED. All of them have precisely confirmed that it is NOT amoled and NOT SLCD, BUT that it is LCD.

They also say that the official HTC specs printout they were shown was confirming LCD.

I have also seen the many online shops all over the place saying SLCD in the specs... but if HTC says LCD and the several videos with the HD next to a normal Desire/iphone4, etc... clearly show that the Desire HD's screen doesn't seem to be any better than the HD2 or the Evo; I think we can be pretty sure its only LCD.

After seeing the videos, there isn't much hope left.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TNStrangelove:
Thanks for clearing that up.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ohmygod1986:
Top spec android phone with a LCD :(
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] aliilyas:
According to the benchmark tests, HTC Desire HD is equivalent to samsung Galaxy S. Source
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BigMango:
The HTC press release also says it's LCD:

http://www.htc.com/www/press.aspx?id=144266&lang=1033
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] joners:
2 cents

Desire HD every time....

Ive got the Samsung Galaxy S, rendered useless by bad software.

Ive gone back to my nexus and have left the samsung in the box! Roll on Desire HD release date!
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Super Galaxy S:
Desite HD screen isn't good and clear.

What I saw that Desire HD doesn't have live wallpaper and google earth. Samsung Galaxy S has both. Probably Desire HD will have missing applications on marketplace.

And if it comes the firmware 2.3 in the future, probably Desire won't get this special update.

Like my HTC Legend.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SupremeBeaver:
That's just crazy. Of course it has live wallpapers and google earth. If it does have missing apps in the market, HTC will sort it out with an update.

And im sure HTC will support the phone long enough for the next update. I dont know about the Legend, but the Desire got the latest firmware.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wywywywy:
Worth remembering that the SGS has some GPS problems, and some people complained about the build quality too.

Plus from previous experience, HTC devices get more XDA attention, which is quite an important factor.

And then there is Sense.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] the incredible:
me too....
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] magicman0:
Basically:

Which one your sister should get - Desire HD

1. Better software(for consumers like your sister... I prefer stock android)

2. Froyo

3. Pretty fast phone

4. Doesn't have as many issues as the galaxy

5. Has better styling imo

Which one is more powerful - Galaxy S

The second gen snapdragon might have an advantage over the hummingbird, but the galaxy's powervr sgx540 completely demolishes the gpu in the desire hd.

Benchmarks may tell you otherwise, but you have to remember that the gpu in the galaxy is not being used to its max potential. The gpu adjusts its power to give you 56fps. The reason is because 56 is the refresh rate of the screen, and using more of the gpu is a waste of power. What good is 200fps if we can't even see it?

That being said, I think the galaxy is a better gingerbread candidate. When android shifts the focus to using some of that gpu, everything becomes more demanding. I believe the sgx540 is twice as powerful as the adreno 205, and some hummingbirds can be OC'ed very high.

tl;dr version:

Get the Desire HD for your sister
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zen123:
I had a HTC Desire sold it because I hated the optical trackpad. Bought a Samsung Galaxy S. I've since sold that as well & bought a used Iphone 3GS.

My experience with the 2 Android phones is the Desire was definately better overall than the SGS. It ran smoothly out of the box with minimal tweaking. The GPS was great & the build materials are loads better than the SGS. Where it lost out hardware wise to the SGS it more than made up with much better software & general usability.

The plus points of the SGS was the awesome screen, excellent external speaker both in quality & loudness, & the video codecs it supported. The GPS was severely flawed & my SGS suffered from severe lag even with the lag fixes it would often just freeze for a few seconds before actually doing anything. It was very frustrating to use.

The Iphone 3GS is an interim solution, as it just works, until I decide which Android phone to get.

The Desire HD looks like the one for me.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RADLOUNI:
A similar thing happened to me

I owned an iphone 3GS, was more than satisfied with it, but i sold it and bought the SGS thinking it is a better phone because of the better hardware it had

I sold the SGS only after two weeks because it gave me one of the worst experiences a person could have with a mobile phone

My old 3GS was faster and smoother although it had weaker hardware. And the major lesson i learned that IT IS NEVER ABOUT THE HARDWARE, IT IS ALWAYS ABOUT THE SOFTWARE.

Samsung might have released a magnificent phone one it came to hardware, but they are so crappy in software that their interface and customization on android totally killed the hardware

The phone lags a lot and hangs sometimes. Some programs need 4 to 5 seconds to generate a response after you click their icon (Asphalt5 for example)

The senior developers at XDa spotted the root of the problem instantly and supercurio came up with a lagfix to replace the RFS filesystem that caused lag with the ext4 file system

Everyone expected Samsung to come up with an official fix after this blunder but they never replaced the filesystem, every subsequent firmware upgrade, even the froyo ones had the same file system and needed the fix. I would never again buy a samsung phone given the way samsung handled this problem

As for HTC devices powered by android, they work out of the box and dont have those problems from what i see in forums, they are much more responsive and provide a smoother and a more fluid UI

That is why i would prefer an HTC android device over a samsung android device blindfolded
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zen123:
I forgot one more hateful thing about the Samsung...that's their sync program Kies, what a pile of **** that is. Problem is if you want to update the firmware officially you had to use it. Of the 2 months I had the SGS I only managed to get the phone to talk to Kies a handful of times.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] unxconformed:
Just thought I'd throw in my 2 cents here,

I owned the 3 different t-mobile Vibrants for in between 3 weeks and then returned them all for good. I would say go with the Desire HD. Performance between the galaxy S and the Desire HD will be nearly identical so I wouldn't put much emphasis on that. What I would put emphasis on however is all the unresolved issues with the galaxy S, some of which may never get fixed...

Besides the lag and GPS issue, my main gripes after coming from an HTC device before were the following:

-No notification LED (didn't like the screen dot trick either)

-Magnetometer is either garbage or has bad firmware

-Inconsistent build quality and rattly volume rocker (sounded terrible when it vibrated)

-Pentile matrix really made the display look terrible to me

-Power button placement (minor gripe, but it still annoyed me)

Regarding the magnetometer, I don't think most people realize that every single Galaxy S phone, variant and even some of Samsung's older Android phones have defective magnetometers or bad firmware. They are insanely slow to find their heading and tend to jump around randomly. I doubt Samsung will ever fix it because nobody complains about it and most don't even realize it is different than the GPS. If you don't believe me, load up Layar or google sky on a galaxy s and try panning around... It is terrible, it is not supposed to wander around like that or take 20 seconds to get in the ballpark of the correct heading. HTC phones are a good example of how the magnetometer is supposed to work.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bilboa1:
ive no issue with the magnetometer and i use it a lot. model is GT-I9000. Calibrated it once, it wouldn't work before that.

no notification led might be a grip for some for sure.

build quality of mine appears pretty good, no complains.

i've no complain either about the pentile matrix although i can see the "issue", it's not perfect, but i like it better than the other screens so far

power button: i've to admit i still happen to look for it in the wrong place sometimes. not really a bad placement per se but unusual

another tiny grip i have is the jack being on top. i like jack on bottom, when you have it in your pocket, the jack is always at the top of the pocket, if you take the phone out with the jack on top of the phone, the phone is reversed.

with jack on bottom the phone is directly in the proper direction and u can change song faster

:)
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Beards:
Of the negative comments expressed on the Galaxy S, I would for the time being dismiss and wait until Froyo is released (European from the end of this week).

There have been quite a few areas rectified to be incorporated into the Froyo update.

The update will include several rectification mods:

Froyo base 2.2

GPS Fix

Filesystem fix (inc Lag & Wifi issues)
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] adwinp:
I'm curious about the LG Optimus with the tegra2 as well.

Then again, taking advantage of the additional core would depend on the fact, if the application will be properly multithreaded.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Chronos12:
Samsung Galaxy S is far better. Wait for 2.2 update.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] phunkycow:
I messed a bit with a coworker's Galaxy S in the past and it seemed like a hell of a phone. But I was determined to get DesireHD.

Ultimately, I sold my desire and got the Galaxy S afterall shortly after, as I couldn't wait for so long without a smartphone (loser :p).

Thoughts after playing with it for a couple of days:

After using Desire for so long, Samsung Galaxy S seems to be a great phone overall, BUT.

The lag is so annoying that is destroying every other positive aspect of the phone. And yes, I've installed the lagfix straight away and the results are still sad; it's so obvious that there's something wrong with the device. Still waiting for froyo, but to be honest, Samsung has always been a let down in upgrades and bugfixes so I wouldn't hold my breath.

In my opinion, go for the DesireHD. I know I will. Luckily I'm giving (well selling - shameless :p) the SGS to my sis, so it wont go to waste.

Just my 2 eurocents.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
well guys you have all conivnced me. The desire hd is the winner.

It did change a couple of times during this thread. But after all your great advice i have recommended the desire hd and she is ordering it tonight.

This is the place she is getting it from and at £30 a month through t-mobile it aint too bad.

I will post on here as soon as it turns up and let you know what i think of it.

Cheers again to everyone who took the time and effort to post their thoughts.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dakine:
As a Galaxy S owner and without a speck of doubt I would choose htc over samsung.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
that really is shocking from samsungs point of view! You are not alone saying this and it amazes me that such a good spec phone has such poor software and customer service!
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RoadHazard:
Yeah, Samsung really dropped the ball with the SGS. Amazing hardware killed by horrible software. I was very excited for it (I almost ordered one - luckily I decided to wait) until all the problems with it became known. Now there's no way I'm getting one. I guess Samsung don't really care, since the SGS has sold very well, but I think people's experiences with it has made many vow to never get a Samsung phone again.

I'm hoping the Desire HD will be what I wanted the SGS to be.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] anndalis:
From what I read around

SGS has a Li-Po battery

HTC HD has a Li-Ion

Is there a difference between Po vs Ion ?

is one superior than the other in handling charges ?
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Smartmob:
Li-Po is better than Li-ion...but diferences are so little...more important is mAh..
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dakine:
I actually own 2 of these phones and while the screen is great the total experience has just been an annoyance. We've been waiting for a fix for the dumb gps and ridiculous lag since june and after numerous firmware "leaks" the phone still doesnt perform.

Its just stupid how samsung's incompetence or indifference is crippling this phone.

Sent during a force close :(
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Smartmob:
Well...maybe europe will get Froyo 2.2 update for Galaxy S this month ;)

http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/22/samsung-galaxy-s-meets-froyo-by-months-for-t-mobile-uk-customer/
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dlads:
Hahah, lmfao. Sorry man i haven't laughed like that in a while.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dlads:
I think the galaxy feels flimsy to be honest. And it's either the galaxy or the desire HD for me this october.

No gps is a deal breaker for me.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] richardbroder:
Snapdragon (HTC Desire)

Hummingbird (Samsung Galaxy S)

That´s not to mention Hummingbirds more-then-twice-as-fast GPU performance, but I guess people have been over this point already.

But, desipte what CPU/GPU benchmarks show, in real life, a correctly lag-fixed SGS will feel snappier "to the finger" then a Desire/N1 (be them running Eclair, or Froyo). Opening heavy webpages with the devices side-by-side can clearly give you an idea of how the SGS handles better - smoother scrolling, faster zooming/pinching, etc.... this is the kind of thing that can´t be benchmarked, you simply feel it, and the lagfixed SGS is impressively smooth. The SGS does come closer to the iPhone 4/iPad experience, not for coincidence, A4´s core is the hummingbird itself.

Lets just wait and see how the Desire HD will handle...
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Smartmob:
1. This is you comparing it with regular Desire... older CPU and GPU...

2. When you buy Galaxy S and put lagfix on him which takes over almost 1GB of your ROM, you have only 400MB internal ROM memory...and that is not an answer... taking 1GB for something what Samsung had to fix... Sorry...SGS is very top model, but i dont like that "in the start" bugs at all...
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Beards:
The 'Lag Fix' was not an official Samsung release.

The official combined Froyo release which also includes GPS, Filesystem, Lag & Wifi Fix's will not use any of the figures you mention.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TNStrangelove:
Unless I'm mistaken the Galaxy S has 8gb or 16gb internal, unless you mean other variants like the epic.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Smartmob:
ROM is 2 GB...internal SD is 8/16GB ;)
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TNStrangelove:
Ahh ta. Still results in plenty of left over space though.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] riz157:
Just sold my SGS going to miss it but looking forward to HDH. I hope it's better then the SGS, I doubt HDH will match the video playback of the SGS but can live without that. What I can't do with is the lag, gps problems and touchwiz rubbish, main reason why I sold it.

Cheap skate HTC only 1.5gb internal memory (boo!) and probably cheaper camera quality. If I'm wrong then great if not atleast I expected it.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bilboa1:
Using voodoo lagfix does not take memory, btw.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] richardbroder:
1. Yep, I put it comparing to the regular Desire since some people in this thread where mentioning that the gen.1 Snapdragon has more CPU power then the Hummingbird - that is not true. Even if the Snapdragon does have some optimizations that the Hummingbird doesn´t, the Hummingbird has overall superior CPU performance, and a massively superior GPU performance... every benchmark and real-world performance test (be it web-browsing, be it running Quake 3) show that the Hummingbird is, up to this day, the most powerful Android processor available. it´s a 45nm part, don´t forget it, so it´s one generation more advanced then Snapdragon (1st gen) in terms of manufacturing process. This new 45nm Snapdragon can be compared to the Hummingbird, and might be even as fast as the Hummingbird in real-world performance, but comparing a gen.1 Snapdragon to the Hummingbird is like comparing apples to bananas... they´re in different levels.

2. This information is wrong. The OCLagFix doesn´t use application memory, it only creates a ext2 partition for wich the apps are saved (I´m not sure if it is exactly this way, but it´s something close to that). This partition has a selectable size (you can use all of 2GB available for it if you need), and all your apps are saved over there - you still DO have 2GB for saving apps.

The only "glitch" in this method is that, if you check the available ROM memory at the task manager, the phone will be tricked into thinking you have as much aps installed as the ext2 partition itself, since the phone is not designed to know the diference between a regular app and the ext2 partition itself, it recognizes the partition as an app. So, let´s supose you create a 2GB partition (all the apps memory of the SGS), but you "only" have 500mb in apps installed, the task manager will still show you have 2GB of memory beeing used, since that is the size of the partition. No reason to worry, though, since the OCLF program does have a tool that reads the ext2 partition to tell you how much real memory you still have available to install apps.

Its just a glitch, you keep having the same juicy 2GB for apps, so there´s no deal breaker. And, as stated above, if you use lagfix methods like the Voodoo, which uses a different approach, you won´t have this glitch at all (that is, you will see the correct available memory at the task manager)....
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Smartmob:
Yes, i understand...but all that modd of the device who already suposed to be "out of the box" is just too much.

Thats true, hardvare inside is the most powerfull on the market, but exterior (finish work) and softver of samsung are just bad...

When you took overall DHD and SGS... DHD is better, at least in my eyes.

Let samsung do a new and better upgrade fixing all that bugs then it would be much better...TOP!