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[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Beards:
Agreed... There are times when you want the night shot to be more natural without a flash, the SGS with it's excellent ultra low f-stop will achieve much better results here.

I have tried both the DHD & SGS in low light without a flash to get a more rich, vibrant and mood shot. The DHD does not hold a candle (pun not taken) to the SGS in low lighting.

As an example it was my GrandDaughters 3rd Birthday recently. With her in my Wife's arms we turned the lights out and my Daughter came in holding her Birthday cake in the dark.

I captured a warm and loving shot of the three of them, just as the little angel blew out her candles..... I could not have done that with the DHD, only by using a flash would it have lit them.... and that would not have given the same effect.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Guitarfreak26:
I own both but I find myself using sgs more.

Dhd is great for web browsing but the colours are a bit washed out IMO

My sgs hasn't lagged once but I use docs Rom and a zenkins kernel. All is good!
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mdalacu:
I also own both an i must say that if you choose SGS with latest kernels you will not regret it. Camera is way better on SGS . i wish that i can get my money back from DHD and wait for a better phone to appear.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Beards:
Same here.... Since updating the SGS it now flys, GPS is spot on and as you say I too powder the camera on the SGS.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shorty083:
Gotta say, gps is still a problem on my phone, but with the latest kernels and doc's roms the rest of my sgs is working great,

so I take the gps troubles as a trade for that.

So all in all, I'm glad that I send the dhd back and kept my sgs.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] japazoid:
I have them both: Samsung Galaxy S and HTC Desire HD. I'm a "caothic HTC fan" since HTC Touch Cruise with Windows Mobile, passing through HTC Touch Diamond, HTC Touch 3G, Sony Xperia X1 (developed by HTC), HTC Touch Diamond 2, HTC Magic, HTC HD2.

But, IMHO, this time HTC couldn't show a good hardware such as Samsung: Galaxy S Hummingbird + PVR GPU is far better than Snapdragon 2nd gen + Adreno: playing 3D games on SGS after Hard Reset is absolutely fluid - and it doesn't run in the same way on Desire HD. The same with movies: watching a 720p matroska in both using Rockplayer was a bit laggy in Desire HD. The Super AMOLED display in SGS is just amazing and I got better photos with Galaxy S even without flash and 3 mpx less than Desire.

On the other hand, the memory access issue on Samsung Galaxy S is really a problem: still using One Click Lag Fix, it takes "decades" to show the list of apps installed in PocketControl Plus app for example - something fast in Desire HD. The HTC Mail app is really fast, but I always have problems with 4 IMAP accounts configured in my Samsung Galaxy S: it's almost impossible to read an e-mail while the phone is still downloading the messages index. I think Sense is far better than TouchWiz:it surrounds the user with a more homogeneous experience than the UI made by Samsung.

Maybe with more RAM and a better software, SGS would be a wonderful killer.

Oh, and it's true: comparing Desire HD with Galaxy S, Samsung's Phone feels really cheap because of it´s plastic body...

Of course, it's just my opinion on both phones using stocks ROMs and One CLick Lag fix in SGS.

;)
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kipue:
Hi, my idea is this:

I have used the SGS for 3 month or so, and I liked it, especially the screen!

Wasn't too bothered by the filesystem thingy and lag, but I have to say I used alternative ROMs :)

On the other hand, alternative ROMs is what attracted me to the DHD, the variety is much greater (what with MIUI, SENSE, AOSP roms), and that is what counts for me! Before buying a phone, I always look on XDA what is available, and this will nearly always change my choixe one way or the other. The ROMs on SGS all kind of look alike to my eyes!

one last point, for which I cannot comment yet concerning the DHD is that SGS is a nightmare for the second hand market with its glossy plastic that catches scratches (yes, I could use a case, but why hiding such a beautiful thing under a plastic case?)

That's my opinion :) Love both, the DHD has just more developpement variety.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] HelloH:
1. Yes, that is definite. 2. Battery cap is the same as the HD2. 3. Compared to the Android on HD2, YES :)

45 nm was a step up from the classic Desire and the HD2. I never mentioned that Hummingbird was not 45 nm. Please do not try to trash talk me. If you react to my posts, take your time to read them first. Thanks.

You might take a look at RISC basics. You might take a look how Qualcomm custom designed their CPU from base up. Samsung only licensed a generic design, and Intrinsity did some +5% tweaking on it, thats all. For a forum regular, you are quick to derogate others.

I see no problem with Hummingbird tho... it is a fine piece of chip, somewhat slower CPU than the old Snap, faster GPU than the old Snap... mighty fine for a 95% generic ARM.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Fatherboard:
The only reason that the hummingbird performs worse than the SnapDragon is the fact that Andorid has been mainly optimized for the SnapDragon platform. hopefully this will be changed once gingerbread's out.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jkinnison90:
I would pick the desire hd
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pao9195:
Samsung Galaxy S still better than this, read the comparison here:

http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3468&idPhone2=3115
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] danamoult:
The Super-AMOLED screen actually performs better than general AMOLED screens under direct sunlight. From personal experience, whenever it gets REALLY sunny I just have to turn up the brightness to max and everything will be easily legible once again. However that causes slightly higher battery usage. I also live in Manchester, UK, and there...isn't much sunlight here at all, so this hasn't really affected me. (:()

I also found the phone surprisingly light when I first got it, but it didn't take long to get used to it and a simple plastic case from ebay made it feel a lot sturdier in the hand already.

If you ask people about the SGS's problems, they will almost always highlight two issues: the lag and the GPS. The lag has been more than fixed by the brilliant developers on the SGS's forums. Even if your sister knows very little about computers, you could spend just 20-30 minutes reading and immediately apply your own lagfix without much effort. The SGS was my first smartphone - I knew very little about smartphones in general yet I found it very easy to apply a lagfix. Voila, half the phone's problems gone.

The same cannot be said about GPS - there have been thousands of 'fixes' out there but every one of them has had varying results. For me, this doesn't matter - I have never used a GPS before this and know how to read maps.

I should add that at the moment, the SGS is the most expensive Android handset out there. I suspect this will drop soon and the Desire HD will take over. Whether or not you're willing to pay a premium price for a newly released device will affect your judgement as well.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] HelloH:
@Chainfire

Qualcomm hyped up their Adreno 205 GPU to perform near the H's GPU. That would mean a greater overall performance over the H for sure. Might be the usual company brainwash tho. We will see really soon.

It is still sad, how many members ate the Humminbird über alles hype. If I see more ppl blindly praising H, I gonna dig up the operation rating for the Snap and the H. I find it amusing, when I get flamed when I dare to mention an otherwise well known industry "secret".
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] override182:
is it qualcomm or is it blogs and fans claiming it to perform near H's gpu? I dont think that the statement came anywhere by Qualcomm. People are judging based on the benchmark result based on HTC Vision benchmark score
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] HelloH:
Nothing official. Could very well be fan-made wishful thinking, or company buzz-marketing. Only the actual benchmarks will tell.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Super Galaxy S:
Yeah, Samsung is still better than HTC Desire HD.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mrmomoman:
Obviously speaking from experience right? I want to shake your hand at being able to have exclusive access to the unreleased desire HD. Bravo. I have the galaxy s and while the phone itself has a good feel after getting used to its light plastic construction I am not left with a great overall impression of their overlay. I installed the lagfix and gps status to.kick start the GPS. The over saturated colors and pentile matrix is not making me run to show my friends. Pictures and movies are definately improved over my Evo but that only.counts.for.about 20% of real life usage.

The source code is out now.so.hopefully someone will.create a custom ROM without the touchwiz.

I hope telstra or telus gets it. I would then get it on at&t's network.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] polystirenman:
i had Samsung Galaxy S for a week and i was't happier in my life than when i finaly got rid of it.it LAGs like hell,GPS is crap and build of the phone is horrible.feels cheap.quality of Samsung software is nowhere near to HTC Sense.i owned HD2 and Desire before and i will never ever buy any Samsung phone again.(sorry to all Samsung fanboys)

it was a good try from them but they failed.why did they made it look like an iPhone anyway?seriously.go for Desire HD.you can't go wrong there.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Chainfire:
As much as I dislike Qualcomm for the MSM7K series that has held back non-iPhone smartphones for two years, they are not known for spewing specs that aren't real (just have to be interpreted right ;)). So if they themselves stated that the GPU is near the H's speed, I'd be inclined to believe them.

I'm not sure if that is directed to me... All I'm saying is the CPU portion of the (current, not upcoming) chips is not very different, and the parts that are different (FPU/SIMD, GPU) between the two chips doesn't really make a big real world difference to eithers advantage.

Personally I'd still rate the Hummingbird over the current Snapdragon we see in devices, because of the GPU (which is important to me personally). But the upcoming Snapdragon designs will match or beat that, and then the next chip from Samsung will beat that, and then the next chip from Qualcomm will beat that, ... repeat ... :)
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] HelloH:
Of course it was not directed at you :D Some guys earlier this thread got emotional about this Snap vs H musings.

Btw, does anyone know some definite info about the dHd's screen... like is it produced in the S-LCD factory, or not????? (link to topic)
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xdaman85:
It's not much bigger than the Galaxy S and it feels just slightly heavier.

check this post:

http://hemorrdroids.net/htc-desire-hd-specification-and-pictures/

It's also said to be using the newer MSM8255 SoC with the Adreno 205 GPU so we are looking at something with much better performance than the previous stuff you have seen.

I can tell you that the phone felt very good in the hand and it was very fast as well without any lag what so ever.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bilboa1:
lagfixed with voodoo the sgs is pretty good

if software was equal you'd have to look at specs:

desire hd:

- slightly bigger screen

- slighty bigger and a good little bit heavier

- less battery capacitiy, li-on

- SLCD

- BT2

- 8MP dual xenon flash - not idea about the app and pic quality

- faster CPU

- high price (200EUR more than the SGS here)

sgs:

- very light

- bigger battery and li-po

- SAMOLED

- BT3

- 5MP camera, no flash (but not really required), pretty good camera app / not too bad pictures

at least that's what matters for me. 3D... 3D? games wont be able to use the power for a while so ...

weight etc? the sgs wins here for me, i barely feel it in my pocket and that's awesome for the size of the thing.

Now if you take software into account, the sgs looks a lot less good... i'd take a desire hd today I think if it were the same price as the SGS. But since it's not, i'll hope SGS software will get improved ;)
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] monksorlo:
If money is no object , then I definitely recommend HTC's desire HD

As an owner of SGS, I cannot bring myself to recommending SGS.

Because

1. It lags and freezes!!!! what good is all the benchmarks and stats if the phone LAGs???!!!

I understand there are lagfixes here and there and not everyone gets the same desirable result even after applying it.

I have not touched any lagfixes yet

2.While I don't know about Desire HD's battery life (even tho the capacity is smaller, doesn't necessarily mean the battery life sucks. HTC has claimed the battery life is 20% than Desire), I'm not happy with SGS' battery life.

With a couple of widgets open, the phone cannot last me through the whole day. Even my 3g is turned off to conserve battery life and that is just pathetic.

3.Industrial design

It looks like a first-gen iphone!!!!!!! Are you kidding me Samsung??(i know i still bought the phone knowing how it looks like)。 Contrary to popular belief on this forum, aesthetics do matter!!!

And why can't they sacrifice a little thinness to add more battery???!!!!!! That's just stupid.

And of course, the phone IS very plastiky. I have a really nice case which alleviates the problem quite a bit.

4. Software

HTC sense is very nice. I like a lot of their widgets. I really like to fill my screens with widgets. They're so functional and make my screens look very very nice, not dull like iphone's. Android is supposedly to be used like this.

5. LED, flash

They can come quite in handy lots of times and for some users, they are essential. I wish SGS have them.

6.GPS

Not a deal breaker for me and will most definitely be fixed, but maybe it is for you.

To sum it up, a phone is much much more than the amalgamation of a bunch of chips, boards and a screen. While the components tell us a lot about a phone, there's a whole lot more to a phone.

I was playing with my friend's HTC aria, which is a middle to low end android phone and even that phone is more responsive than my SGS.

Hope that helps
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] monksorlo:
oh and this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovTgnlASGAg&feature=player_embedded#!

it's quite impressive, to say the least!
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Chainfire:
All valid points from your point of view. However, I would like to point out the following things:

Widget design documents on Android state specifically that badly done widgets will drain battery like crazy (the phone will constantly come out of sleep to update the widget). I don't use any widgets, use 3G always, and have 5 exchange accounts on push, I can do more than two days on a single charge. Perhaps the widgets you use are just bad ? (Which ones are you using, and who made them?) If they are not Samsung-specific widgets, the Desire (HD) would have the exact same problem. However, if they are Samsung-specific widgets, well, we can all agree Samsung isn't great in the software department :)

Also regarding battery life, of all my phones - and trust me, I have a lot of them - in general my Samsung devices always beat my (comparable) HTC devices in battery life.

I'm NOT saying your points aren't valid, but perhaps this specific point will be the same with the Desire as the SGS.

Exactly. Not to mention that how _you_ use it matters.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] monksorlo:
chainfire,

you're absolutely right.

I had fancy widgets, which is like beautiful widgets,

it's very useful and beautiful, but i had to get rid of it.

If the battery doesn't improve, then I'll have to get rid of more. none of them are samsung widgets tho.

I suppose HTC's widgets must be pretty efficient batter-wise. I love their widgets.

I heard that Droid X has an awesome battery life. According to a web browsing battery test, Droid X lasted a little short of 8 hours, while SGS only lasted 4.5 hours.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dondian:
I had SGS for a good week or so and I loved it.. I'm primarily BlackBerry user and love to play with this Android bad boys :)

I have two questions about the Desire HD..

1. Is the speaker quality likely to improve over the current Desire? If there is one thing (besides the keyboard) I love about my Bold 9000, it's the speaker quality.

2. The current Desire with Froyo shots 720p @ only 22fps or so? Will Desire HD be able to shot @ 30fps due to the new cipset?

I always wanted to try the 4.3" screen device with Android.. And since i'm from Europe EVO 4G or Droid X aren't really an option. Can't wait to get my hands on this baby :)
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xdaman85:
As for question 1 I wasn't really able to test the speakers at the event, it was hard to even hear yourself think at the htc event.

As for question 2, i asked every htc rep i could find the question but it seemed like they didn't know the answers to the more technical questions and this question happened to be one they didn't have an answer to. :confused:
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Aqrab:
the galaxy S is better in hardware like back Speaker and the super amoled screen

i have used the HTCs devices and almost all of them from the htc diamond and letter all of htc devices comes with a really really bad back Speaker and bad voice Speaker and these thing is really important to me :( i really hope that HTC improve these
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BigMango:
Yes, it does 720p at 30 fps. Depending on the lighting, in the worst circumstances it can drop down to 28 fps.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MomijiTMO:
Have a SGS, want a Desire HD.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] schriss:
Amen to that, LOL :D
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] override182:
neocore benchmarks are out.. on average, max is 56fps.. on par with SGS indeed
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nickporwal:
Who said SGS has poor audio performance? You should do proper research before saying crap things on forums. I have used HTC Desire and SGS both. I can say that audio quality of SGS is just superb. I dare say its even close to Ipod. Just use a good earphones and you would know. i think either you are a HTC fan or you dont know what a good audio is.........HTC has never been good in multimedia as samsung. I dont know if Desire HD is improved because of Dolby.

However i admit that SGS has **** software, but multimedia capabilities is just better than any android phone right now in the market.Samsung has really make SGS looks like **** by providing such an unoptimized software. SGS has no doubt very good hardware (specially the GPU). I doubt even Adreno 205 will outperform PowerVR SGX540 (rendering 90mt/sec is not a joke, however its theoritical). It may however equal it.

But if we consider overall performance I did say one should go for desire HD. HTC optimize their software a lot. No one in the market currently do like that. I just love their HTC sense.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bilboa1:
don't be impressed by the desire boot time.

it's not actually booting, it's coming back from hibernation. if you prefer, that's saving all the ram to flash and loading it from flash. a real reboot is a lot longer.

when you're using the phone, you put it in sleep mode when you don't use it, you don't shut it down. when you need to shut it down and reboot, it's because you have an update or something like that - in that case, hibernation does not help you, you need a real reboot.

So hibernation looks nice for demos but in reality very very few will make use of it. Of course, it's software also so it could be implemented on any phone given the little effort.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jisin:
Snapdragon 3rd Generation is coming

maybe because dual core qualcomm didnt release the dual core cpu yet.

And HTC planed to release the new desire hd around sep/oct 2010 :)

in the future we can get those:

Snapdragon 3rd Generation (MSM8260 & MSM8660) Q3 2010

Dual-CPU cores, up to 1.2GHz

Integrated 3G mobile broadband connectivity (MSM8260 support for HSPA+ networks – up to 14 Mbps downloads and 5.6 Mbps uploads – as well as GSM , GPRS and EDGE / MSM8660 support for HSPA+ networks – up to 14.4 Mbps downloads and 5.76 Mbps – as well as CDMA2000 1X , 1xEV-DO Rel A/B, GSM, GPRS and EDGE)

Low-power 45nm process technology for higher integration and performance

High-definition (1080p) video recording and playback up to 30 frames per second

Multiple video codecs: (MPEG-4, MPEG-2, H.264, H.263, VC-1, DivX, WMV-9, Sorenson Spark, VP6)

High-performance GPU – up to 88M triangles/sec and 532M 3D pixels/sec and dedicated 3D/2D acceleration engines for Open GLES 2.0 and Open VG 1.1 acceleration

High-resolution WXGA (1280×800) display support

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Snapdragon 3rd Generation (QSD8672) Q1 2011

Dual-CPU cores, up to 1.5 GHz

Integrated 3G mobile broadband connectivity (QSD8672 is a multi-mode chipset that support for HSPA+ networks – 14.4 Mbps downloads and 5.76 Mbps uploads as well as CDMA2000 1X, 1xEV-DORel A/B networks)

Low-power 45nm process technology for higher integration and performance

High-definition (1080p) video recording and playback up to 30 frames per second

Multiple video codecs: (MPEG-4, MPEG-2, H.264 , H.263, VC-1, DivX, WMV-9, Sorenson Spark, VP6)

High-performance GPU - up to 88M triangles/sec and 532M 3D pixels/sec and dedicated 3D/2D acceleration engines for Open GLES 2.0 and Open VG 1.1 acceleration

High-resolution WSXGA (1440×900) display support

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Let's wait ^^;
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TNStrangelove:
I'm currently on the fence about which phone to get out of the Desire HD and the Galaxy S, so I made a list of Pros and Cons. Is this a fair assessment?

Galaxy S Pros:

Slightly Faster (mainly GPU I believe) (though with lag bugs atm but set to be fixed) Edit: contested, pretty up in the air.

FFC

Super AMOLED display.

Lighter

Potentialy massive aftermarket community (released on all 4 major carriers in the US and selling incredibly well elsewhere).

Headphone slot on the top

Potential for extended battery is higher with a removeable back

Higher internal Memory.

Available now

Swype Pre-loaded

Gorilla glass screen.

Desire HD pros

Probably better camera (mexapixels don't mean everything so we can't be sure)

Bigger screen

Regular pixel config not pentile matrix like on SAmoled.

Sense = better than Touchwiz

New sense features on top of this.

Nicer build quality.

Boot time

Made by a more reliable company.

Better GPS (presumably)

Extra Ram

Notification light (I think).

Camera Flash.

Potentially faster Data (14.4 Mbps down 5.76 up)

Pros of Both

Hot-swappable.

Unknowns

Battery life is unknown, SLCD may drain less battery but bigger screen + smaller battery.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
lmfao!

Well after 6 pages of reading i think this is probably the correct answer.

Thanks for all inputs but now i think i am more confused than when i started. After the 2nd page i was gonna recommend the sgs now i think the desire. BUT chainfire is probably right she will care a ****load less than me!!!
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] HelloH:
I can agree with most of your points, except the ones listed above. In my humble opinion dHD will not be slower than the SgS, and as far as I know S-LCD is less effective at saving power than S-AMOLED.