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[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Beards:
Hi ewingr, nice to correspond with you once again.

Firstly may I apologize to the HTC members here whilst I discuss briefly the situation.

I promise not to wonder off topic and will endeavor to return the thread back to you soonest.

Re the problems with the Galaxy S:-

The problems are all down to the new combined Broadcom chip which is used to cover GPS, BT & Wifi.

As you already know both the GPS & Wifi have issues on the Galaxy models.

This has been found to be a driver issue with the Broadcom chip.

Samsung passed the problem to Broadcom who fixed the drivers and then handed it back over to Samsung.

Now problem one.... Samsung then had to engineer the fix into the Filesystem but this was then found to also be in error.

This was fixed and was just about to be released as the GPS fix (which would also have corrected the Wifi problem) but just at the last minute it was halted as Froyo was about to be released and this had yet another different Filesystem which was found would alter all the hard work on putting the new drivers onto the system.

So a decision was made to halt the release, work the fixes into Froyo and then release it this time as a combined Froyo and GPS/Wifi/Filesystem/Lag fixes.

However..... last minute checks found an error and this has put it back.

It should now make it to mid October and I am confident this will happen.

As to does it fix the problems...... No idea.

Is it already out in one of the other releases..... Absolutely not.

None of the present releases holds any of the 'official' fixes, be that GPS/Wifi/Lag/Filesystem.

Hope this helps. :)

Sorry chaps........ and we're back on topic.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Fraction:
I actually loved the screen, size, speed on the SGS verses my Hero.

Like emulations of gameboy games is adorable at SGS slow and bad quality on the hero. Yes, I know it is not fair comparing.

I do enjoy too much the sense to actually hold on to my unopen SGS. I rader just sell it and buy a sweet loving HTC Desire HD. Its to much of a old masterpiece not to want it.

But then again my Hero is my 3 HTC mobile.

-Fraction

Sent from my HTC Hero
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ewingr:
Thanks Beards, for the info. I'll resist replying with other thoughts or questions on that topic here.

If anyone hears of when/who the DHD may land in on the U.S., I'll be watching for that info.

From what I've read in this thread, there is concerns about the camera quality on the DHD (of course all speculation). I haven't read or checked out camera quality on other recent HTCs, such as EVO or Incredible. Camera would be important to me, so I suspect whereas the GPS is showstopper for the Captivate for me, teh camera may be on the HTC.

My current phone is an old HTC Tilt, and the camera is completely worthless.

The camera on the SGS (I'll call it that in any of my future comments because that is the topic here, although it is a derivitave) performed very well for me. It did do nice in lower light environments, but, the fact is in darker envirohments, (ie low light restaurants, etc), a flash would still be needed.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bilboa1:
I suggest to not use the night mode on the SGS, works well for me, without flash even when its very dark the pictures are pretty fine. Wouldn't use a flash in most conditions.

Not saying it's fully useless but it's not very useful. Flash does not make nice looking pictures (which is what i'm after), it just makes pictures where you can see stuff when it's really dark.

I'm curious how the DHD cam will look as everyone elses but not holding my breath, I don't think HTC cares too much about the camera.

I'd like to see Nokia-like picture quality in android phones tho. Even the SGS which has a pretty good camera is no match, and that by a fair margin.

As for the GPS/Froyo/lags story I'd like to know the source, it sounds too good to be true :) (I'm a SGS user and I don't plan to go DHD)
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shorty083:
For years I've been a Windows mobile girl, liked the customization, especially the last year with gtx sense, cht and all other mods out there.

Hated the widgets look, but I slowly got over that feeling, thanks to the android roms for the hd2.

I'm a sgs owner for almost 2 months now, sold my htc hd2 a few days ago(which did hurt) and pre-ordered a dhd.

Although I like my sgs now, I was pretty disappointed with it right out of the box. Being a sense lover, I hated the touchwiz interface.

Dumbs up for Launcherpro.

I was used to a more sturdy build with my previous htc phones (Diamand2, TP2 and HD2) so it took some getting used to with the sgs.

The lag was just a huge turn off but luckily the lagfixes out there do a great job.

I do miss the led flash from my hd2,

although camera and picture quality are better with the right settings on the sgs in comparison.

Still the sgs can sometimes take horribly blurry pictures.

The vignette app does wonders for it, but maybe the same can possible be said when it's gonna be used on the DHD.

I'm a huge music lover, take my music player with me everywhere i go.

I've got a cowon s9 which IMO beats apple products soundquality hands down,

but I now sometimes leave it at home because the sgs does such a good job at it (granted that i use my high end earphones).

GPS is important to me, so a big minus for the sgs on that one, while htc usually performs decently.

Gaming isn't high on my list, but what games I've played so far are working great on the sgs.

The camera samples of the dhd I've seen so far have left me a bit worried and I know the sound quality will probably be less then on the sgs,

but since I love sense, the build quality of the hd2, which will be equaled on the dhd, better gps & software/firmware support, etc. my first instinct

was to go get a Desire HD.

We'll see if the dhd will live up to my expectations and my sgs will make a great backup device.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shorty083:
So that's what that was. I noticed it too when using Google sky.

It looked like I was drunk out of my mind and kept waving the phone around,

instead of holding it steady like I was doing.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Beards:
Well I must be extremely lucky then.... As mine works perfectly.

There's so much I want to compare with the DHD & SGS, looking forward to getting mine next month.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shorty083:
Don't get me wrong, I am happy with my sgs now and what it does well, it does remarkedly well.

I just need a phone that's a bit more reliable than this phone has been so far.

Who knows, maybe with the official froyo release for sgs it will beat out the DHD,

or DHD will be a letdown as I do find camera/sound quality important.

No clue yet, but am looking forward to finding that out.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ewingr:
Well, I did settle on the SGS (Captivate). It is available now. Who knows when the DHD will be on AT&T in the U.S.

Beards...thanks for your input on the GPS fix earlier. But I must say, I am becoming quite skeptical. There is a 2.2 Captivate leaked ROM out, and it too has bad GPS. I'd think it would be correct in that if it is coming fixed with Froyo.

If I had the DHD avaliabel to scrutinize, I'd sure give it serious thought.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Beards:
Hi ewingr,

Yes, as I mentioned earlier ~ the official GPS fix has not yet been released.

The update that came for the Captivate where many reported it was the fix it most definitely was not the fix.

The firmware date does not match that of the official fix. It was still being worked on when the Captivates update came along.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ewingr:
Sorry for OT Folks...will be brief

Beards...understood. I was referring to the Froyo 2.2 leaked ROM that came out this past weekend that they are playing with on XDA. They think it is close to what will be a production release. Build date is in Sept.

Speaking of the DHD...has anyone heard rumors of its arrival in U.S. on AT&T?
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] the_ahmadzais:
Desire HD all the way

Better camera , more developers , better build , amazing sound quality , more ram , it has froyo :)

while the sgs very laggy even with its hummingbird proccessor it wont be faster than desire hd cuz of its lag , huuuggeee gps issue , bad sound quality . no flash on camera. feels cheap and like a iphone 4 clone lol. u cant use third party headset that have mic on it and no froyo
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Smigit:
Not to start a war but have you used a DHD? If not how can you begin to compare things such as the audio quality?

I think you've both jumped the gun with some of the claims you've made given theres been little to no detailed reviews done on the DHD so far.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Beards:
You obviously do not know me......

If you did you would know by reading other sections of xda-devs I do not make any posts unless I have substantial claim to the accuracy & authenticity of the topic.

Of course I have not used a DHD but I have absorbed enough information and spoken to enough people to know the present situation.

.... and how on earth can I have 'jumped the gun with some of the claims I have given'..... What claims?
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mark wild:
STOP!!!

with All do respect, but, STOP... you are starting to be anoying... This is a act of false information advertising from your side and from the guy who also told BS. Stop being so fan-boy-ish. FYI i do follow every post on this forum, specialy your posts and it has allways been SGS an non other, despite the fact that the DHD isn't out yet and the FACK that the SGS, maybe superb hardware, but superbly bug'd software. Stop ignoring that and stop the SGS movement in a DHD forum. Trust me, it is for your own good, cuz you start to make the impression, that you really ar nothing more than a well spoken fan boy.

...

I have non of those two phones, that said - this is just my impression of you behavior.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] the_ahmadzais:
Beards, that was awesome review u did I will buy sgs as soon as someone buys my x10 lol. I have used sgs only for 5 mins at store to Check the browser wow its lighting fast. But what is touchwiz? And is dhd would have multitouch? I said all that stuff cuz some1 told me that sgs have cheap feel to it, laggy and bad camera and audio quality with earbuds so that's y I didn't buy it. But ill take ur words for it
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tigabert:
I have used the SGS for a month and sold it away. Although I do find that it has great sound for playing music, great S-Amoled screen and the camera is pretty decent...but that's about it. Even with flashing to beta 2.2 Froyo, I personally still find it laggy. Tried the lag fix which helped a bit but I"m still not satisfied with the lagginess of the RFS file system thingy. Don't bash me for my opinion.. :p

Have ordered the DHD and I believe that the screen, sound, battery life and camera will be no match for my ex-SGS but I'm hoping to be surprised. I'm getting the DHD because of the better build, much better support from the community here towards HTC devices, 4.3" screen and the speed of the new processor which does not use the silly RFS file system.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Beards:
And I thought you understood me better Mark.

I am in no manner whatsoever a 'Fan-Boy'.

The only reason I post these kinds of posts is when I see badly formed information.

Although this is the DHD section the title of the topic is DHD or SGS, that on it's own allows anyone to make comments be those in criticism or defense.

I defend only where I see information incorrectly written. Maybe this is part due to my age which at nearing 58 I look at my replies to hold constructive submission being information-specific, issue-focused, and based on observations. It comes in two varieties: Positive and Negative construction.

Whatever, I only intend my passage to declare correct information.

I have an numerous occasions said the SGS has it's faults ~ I even said it clearly in a previous post ~ as in no LED's, Sense better than Touchwiz, appalling customer support, etc, etc.

I have also said (and in that post as well) I fully intend to purchase a DHD myself so please allow me the decency in giving an opinion on both sides.

As you put it Mark, with all due respect on the contrary it is I who should say stop complaining at those who only state the facts.

Anyway, enough is enough, you win......

You will be very pleased to hear I have had enough. As a very busy senior surgeon my time is limited and is best used to assist those that listen and argue the point without malice or judgement. I shall take myself to a different topic where the title does not mention the SGS and where I won't have to defend myself further.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mark wild:
About getting me wrong AGAIN!

I have said NOTHING about you telling truth or false information on any way. I just talk about this how you defend yourself againsts people who obviously don't know twat. Just calm down, and later when we both have our DHD than, with a fresh look, lets start this thread all over.

...

Best regards.

...

P.s. - CANT understand one thing, if SGS is so much better, why buy a phone that ir far behind?
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Smigit:
You claimed the SGS's speaker was both louder and clearer. But yeah, don't worry, I'm not out to get you, I think the other post was making some bold claims too. I'd rather we had some proper reviews or whatever before people said with the outright most certainty what one does what better than the other.

And hell, FWIW if I wasn't getting the DHD it would be the SGS instead :) I have seen a few of your post around here too and did like the SGS images you posted for instance (sure it was you?).
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Fraction:
The choice of a android device.

if you wanted a greater/better choice of app and hacks which forum:

Samsung Galaxy S, SGS?

HTC Desire HD, DHD?

I think the development will go much faster on a HTC then the samsung, correct me if you think I'm wrong.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Milali:
I just wish Samsung would finally do this 'official' 2.2 update.

Then when the HDH is actually released, then seeing the real numbers show and which phone will be better for dev.

But I'm in Australia, so I've got quite a while before I'll see either sgs at 2.2 or hdh :(
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jkoljo:
A little offtopic, but i think they just did.

http://www.xda-developers.com/android/i9000-enjoys-official-froyo-upgrade/
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rixsta:
Wait until none off the problems are fixed, you know its coming, I solved all my problems, I sold it, Desire HD all the way, can you see the galaxy s getting gingerbread, nope but I can see the Desire HD getting it.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Beards:
You did indeed.... In fact I think I probably answered your post in the Galaxy S section.

After what has happened this evening I can see a lot more SGS owners saying "enough is enough".
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rixsta:
Its a crying shame really because it could of been so so good, the video and audio was the best Ive ever heard and seen thats just one of the things but I just couldn't take it anymore, the last straw for me is when the signal started cutting out when someone phones me and I end up speaking and nobody is there, only to look at my phone and its got a blue circle with a line through it.......aaaahhhh thats it, I have to say Im sad and a bit angry to see it go, I even sold it as faulty haha, well I guess it was.

Im sure the Desire HD wont be able to match its video and images (yes even with its 8 meg camera, shoot me down for saying it but from what Ive seen its true, unless the end product is better then Ill hold my hands up) but there are so many good things going for the HD that I thought, Hey I'll give it a go, what have I got to lose. I know there's not a perfect phone but Samsung made me so mad that I just waved the white flag in the end...Samsung you broke me....never again.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Beards:
I fully understand where you are coming from on this..... Frustrating is not the word.

I'm keeping my SGS but also getting the DHD to add to my other HTC phones and am looking forward to seeing how they each go against one another.

Anyway, have fun with the DHD... hopefully it will be a lot less stress. :)
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rixsta:
I just quoted you on another thread hahaha, hi again, I would love it if you could do a galaxy s vs Desire Hd review for me and others and let me know what you think, a proper hands on would be a big help.

Cheers Rich.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Beards:
Hi Rich... long time no see :D

Yes, no problem... I intend to hit the Desire, SGS & DHD.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rixsta:
Nice one !!! . I'll look forward to that, thanks :cool:
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] johcos:
Go with DesireHD my friend.

I own an SGS and I regret every moment for buying it.

If you go to SGS android development forum you'll only see posts of how to fix the lag and that the GPS sucks big time.

As for the CPU everything you hear is a myth. The snapdragon is better than Hummingbird. Hummingbird is only good in gaming and 3D graphics.
[Desire HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Cartier23:
I have SGS and it is really a bad phone. I will change it for Desire HD as soon as possible.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ptimotard91:
Hello everyone

Excuse me for my English from beginner

Can someone help me

my htc desires no longer recognizes the sim card or the micro card and the computer no longer recognizes the phone.

Does anyone has an idea

for information, it is root and I am the last rom auraxTsense

thank you
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ferreinf:
I think so :( :(

but Can u enter bootloader?

vol. down+power
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] abc27:
Nothing too difficult to fix. Just make a goldcard and flash a stock RUU.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ptimotard91:
how to make a Goldcard without the phone is recognized by the computer and especially without access to the micro sd?
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] K900:
Probably bricked. Can you enter HBOOT?
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] decepticon:
I remember back in Froyo was announced they said there was a web based marketplace where you could send the apps to your phone without using the phone to browse the market.

Did this ever come out and if so what is the website? www.android.com/market doesn't give me any option to send to phone on any of my Froyo devices and now with JPH I am planning on keeping it on my Galaxy S as well.
[General Topics] gtrab:
I have to change my phone and my only req. is a hardware keyboard.

I've been a hardcore, diehard Windows Mobile user for over a decade.

I feel forced to go Android because WP7 smells sort of iPhone-esque clone (no file access, no multitasking, no cut/paste, etc...)

To my surprise, I've found there aren't quite a lot of Android devices with keyboard out there :eek:

Fortunately, I've seen a couple of interesting soon-to-be-released phones:

The HTC Desire Z / T-Mobile G2 and the Moto Droid 2 WE (world edition) / Milestone 2

Both will have Froyo 2.2, 5MP cam 720p HD video rec, 3.7" multitouch screen & all the standard shizz

G2 / Desire Z advantages:

- It is HTC

- It has Sense onboard, which I am familiar to

Appart from that, and curiously enough, the Droid 2 / Milestone 2 is better in every other aspect:

- Better screen res (854x480 vs 800x480)

- Faster processor (1000MHz vs 800MHz)

- More internal memory (8GB vs 1.5GB)

- Slightly smaller size (60.5 x 116.3 x 13.7 mm vs 60.4 x 119 x 14.2)

- Lighter weigth (169 gr vs 180 gr)

- Slightly bigger battery (1400 mAh vs 1300 mAh)

- Better flash (dual LED vs single LED)

My Q: Which one to go ?? or is there any other device to consider ??

Any advice / oppinion / suggestion appreciated

Data source:

1- http://www.htc.com/www/product/desirez/specification.html

2- http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/X...rvices/Mobile-Phones/ci.Milestone-2-XW-EN.alt
[General Topics] squish099:
The claim the g2 benchmarks right with the moto so the processor and gpu might be a wash
[General Topics] gtrab:
You sure ??

"Stock Droid 2 running Android 2.2 and crushing any phone on the planet in a Quadrant benchmark. That my friends, is real power."

- Droid Life

http://www.droid-life.com/2010/08/10/droid-2-benchmark-score-drops-jaws/

How could HTC stand such an insult from Moto ??

.
[General Topics] squish099:
There is benchmark results on androidspin.com

http://androidspin.com/2010/09/09/t-mobile-g2-can-keep-up-with-the-galaxy-s/

Check it out, by the way my hd2 running cm scores 1880 in quadrant.
[General Topics] gtrab:
Thanks for the link !!

Interesting benchmarks...

And you're right:

I'd go for a WM6.5 HTC HD2 if it only had a keyboard...

Anyway it will not be upgradeable to WP7, and as I stated before, WP7 is expected to be as closed as a religious man's mind

.
[General Topics] squish099:
Android is running great and nand is coming soon. Cotulla posted a bootloader on his web site just waiting for a rom and instructions.
[General Topics] gtrab:
Other Android-with-keyboard option is the "Motorola Flipout"

Besides the QVGA screen res the device is awesome

(image from Mobile-Geeks)
[General Topics] doministry:
Sony Ericsson X10 Mini Pro?
[General Topics] yhbae01:
Obviously some of you guys haven't read up on Adreno 205 GPU that comes with G2 & its MSM&230. Try reading this article first:

http://smartphonebenchmarks.com/for...t-compare-to-other-gpus/page__pid__65#entry65

Adreno 205 is going to perform better than PowerVR SGX530 found in Droid X. It may even get pretty close to PowerVR SGX540 found in Sammy's Himmingbird.

Watch out for this table, I'm sure someone will load their Quadrant result as soon as it becomes available:

http://smartphonebenchmarks.com/
[General Topics] Monty Burns:
If only. It would be the almost perfect device. What have smartphone manufacturers got against big screen qwertys anyway!??!?

(yeah I know there are a couple but, only a couple! The Z's screen is too small so I don't count this. Samsungs Galaxy S Pro? The Galaxy is being slated due to bugs)

edit: I have to be honest though, i'm waiting for WinPho 7 as it appears, walled garden aside, that it could integrate very will with Zune and my Xbox subscription. If it launches and has full and complete MS Ofice/Exchange integration then its very possible I will jump straight on to a Dell Lightning - assuming it records 720p.
[HTC Aria Themes and Apps] qualnd:
ok so i used the original Music Player with the fone but wen i got Launcher Pro i cant use the Widget any more n i use the hell out of my widgets LMAO:D n so i got MixZing n its kool i been using it for a while n i love the equalizer but its buggy r sumtin because i can use it on a song once n itll stay on thill my screen goes off n my fone locks then i kant use it on that song anymore till i reboot my fone n thats annoying so i juss wanted like sum opions on other music/mp3 Player Apps.....
[HTC Aria Themes and Apps] zedbra:
Check out doubletwist. You can also d-load a desktop version to sync with PC.

I also liked RockOn(cubed) and meek is kinda cool too :)
[HTC Aria Themes and Apps] zedbra:
Sorry, doublepost by mistake :doh:
[HTC Aria Themes and Apps] Anthony1s:
Mixzing is my favorite music app, but either a CM6 update or a Mixzing update made the equalizer not work for me anymore. That was my favorite feature and I haven't found anything comparable yet.
[HTC Aria Themes and Apps] Sengfeng:
I bought ProPlayer - best music player I've seen yet.