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[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] foresure84:
yes i hope the devs will see this
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Sporkman:
Camera's fine toy with the settings

from the fade
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] overthinkingme:
I support this idea, I used to take amazing pictures with my Blackberry Bold...

I would surely pay $10 or more if this app went on sale.

I'm a flickr addict. This phone is 8mp. I'm sure it won't compare to my 450D but I bet it can damn well come close to making my point and shoot pointless.

I'd gladly switch to aosp if this app becomes a reality.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] IzzyIsaac:
This excites me that somebody is trying too get the ball rolling with this! If I knew anything about these other than flashing ROM's, I'd be all over helping get this developed. For now, I will just stand on the side cheerleading (and bumping thread).
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jdmsohc22:
lmao @ comparing HD2 to the EVO....
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Stam2000:
Maybe you could part this in the Incredible forums too? Hell give me a better camera and I'll pay $10
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] edtate:
Well, the main reason I support this is because with a custom camera app for the evo will more than likely mean a custom camcorder app; to which we've been trying to unlock its full potential for a looooong time.

@op-I understand how you feel about bounty threads, but guess what, they work. This is a tangible feat, its not like we're reverse engineering proprietary software lol. All we need is a kick in the right direction, to which I'm willing to start of nothing comes out of this thread.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mitch Matrixx:
We've got the right idea

Unfortunately this thread has been moved to Q&A... Could have sworn this was a developers topic since I didn't really ask any questions, meanwhile the Geyes30 30fps thread remains in Dev. section withering away.

Either way, it's good to see people fired up about this again, and contributing so far.

This idea is still in the early stages, but I think we need to lay out a framework for the project.

Rydah805 has already broken down what is mostly need here to achieve better video, he has 2 years of film school under his belt, so I concur:

1)Stabilization

2)Compression

3)Audio

*4) I would add better compensation in low light, which may be the caveat

We also know some other things like, having a better SD card (higher speed/class) can improve the bitrate during recording, but I don't think that's the root of our issues.

I personally think the theming, and the look of the GUI will be easiest, and probably should be developed around the finished camera project, meaning the icing on the cake. Usability should be priority one here.

I just want to say real quick to people like Hondoslack, don't despair man.

I have taken some amazing, beautiful pics with this camera... There's just no consistency. It's utterly poor programming that separates our phone from the HD2. Hardware wise they are very very similar, which should give us hope.

All hardware talking to software is handled at the Kernel level first, so someone needs to start researching kernel related data.

The rest of the minions here need to be digging for all kinds of technical data that we can compile and streamline.

We need info on-

The Cam sensor, which someone has already linked us to on this thread.

The drivers used for the cam, and any GPU related activity which may or may not have anything to do with actually taking video afaik, but worth looking.

Any hardware limitations, ie: the hdmi F'ing things up somewhere like it supposedly does with the screen refresh rate.

Basically any kind of technical data related to this camera.

Once we have that, the programming can begin. (Once we have Devs. who want to do this. I'm broker than a dead guy, but if I have to start a bounty, I will)

Thanks for your interest guys, lets keep this topic hot!
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rydah:
As much as I want to I have no coding skills. Actual video skills and knowledge tho.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ranmasaotome510:
In response to Weerdal's comment:

Funny, buy slightly irrelevant. If u kept up with any of the android porting development, its almost perfected. Runs android beautifully. I scuff when my friend shows off his HD2 running a 2.2 cm port running almost perfect AND taking better pictures than me.

Now if his can works that well already in android... kinda makes u think wat could possibly be wrong with ours. Mybe its omnivisions illegitimate love child? Lmao.

But anyway. my & his only caveat with android on the hd2 is there is no nand booting yet. Once he has that. He basically has an evo, scratch the front facing cam and 4G.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mrono:
I would love to take raw pictures with my phone, there's no reason we shouldn't. The compression on the evo sucks, so why not have the option to not use it?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JerzyIroc:
I'd have no problem paying $20+ for this app to be honest. The camera has SO much potential. I'd have no problems paying $20 to get the quality pictures it's capable of taking, and videos, instead of buying a $200 p&s that I don't, and shouldn't have to buy.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mitch Matrixx:
Amen

Yes, Raw would be awesome. Better compression overall would be awesome.

I don't get it. People are willing to pay up to $20 for an app like this, but this thread has like 1100 views, and only 25 posts.

Why is there not more interest in this?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mitch Matrixx:
Crap :mad:

Just doing a bit of perusing on the Omnivision website.

If I read the PDF correctly, the 5mp camera in the iPhone 4 is more sophisticated than what we have in our phones.

The reason the iPhone takes great pictures in low light is because it has an almost double advantage in light sensitivity. So while it shoots less pixels, it perceives them more accurately, as it thinks there is more light entering the aperture.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ranmasaotome510:
That's wat I was beginning to believe as well... le-sigh
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
In addition to benching roms and kernels this week I've also been looking for the best camera/video quality. Here's my testing methods and what I have found.

Testing method:

1. 32" LCD TV (native res 1360x768)

2. 4K resolution video down sampled to TV's native resolution

3. Pre-focus ,the tripod mounted Evo on a monitor resolution chart

4. Record the video playback off of TV for 1 minute @WVGA MPEG4 and h264

5. Edit media xml, reboot and repeat

What I found is that the camera.apk in Cyanogen's ROM gives far superior results to the stock app. A 6Mbps CBR Mpeg4 in CM6 = 13Mbps from the stock app. Now I'm not sure if this is AOSP vs Android or the HTC app is just that bad.

At this point the next step would be to ask Cyanogen to port the apk or if the is a way to run on a stock 2.2.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JerzyIroc:
I can't believe this thread died... This is probably the worst thing about the Evo, and something that I would think would be a not too hard of a thing to fix and nobody has done it. :\ O well...
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Neo3D:
Well, maybe the new camera app in the new sense will fix all these quality issues.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Neo3D:
Where did you get this info?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Neo3D:
On the contrary, if you look at the function block diagrams, it is actually LESS sophisticated, see attachment.

Evo:

Splits B/R & Gb/Gr channels and amplifies them SEPARATELY

12-bit ADC vs 10-bit ADC
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mitch Matrixx:
Holy Smokes

Thread resurrected?

@NEO - I hadn't looked at the block diagrams. Perhaps "less sophisticated" was the improper terminology, however I suspect the iphone's sensor specialty to be low light capture. They sure do put a lot of emphasis on this in their advertising (Omnivision does too on the website)

However, it seems like you say our camera unit is not particularly inferior. After all it has a 12bit dac vs. 10bit. plus the seperate color amplification must be in our favor. I'm speaking speculatively of course, as I have no expertise here.

If the hardware is there, then there is still hope for better software right?

Still, due to the general lack of interest (or perhaps knowledge) this topic hasn't attracted the attention of any devs. so, I take it people are satisfied with their current capabilities, or there is no general motivation to make the camera better and more functional.

Cyanogen's camera development has yielded some impressive results, but, imo there is still work to be done. If Cy's source is available, it may make for a good baseline.

Time will tell, but my fear is that HTC will release a better phone soon, with better specs, and this topic will be forgotten.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] spiicytuna:
cm6 is ALL open source... here's the current source for the cm6 camera:

http://github.com/CyanogenMod/android_packages_apps_Camera
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Frankie_Bones:
I have $10 on such an app.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mitch Matrixx:
[Crickets]

On a side note, Frankie Bones used to be my favorite DJ.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chrishornet:
why is no one paying attention to this thread
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] _JKK_:
Its funny, because the EVO isn't the only phone with this problem.

Over in Dinc land (that's Droid Incredible ;)), we'd be interested in this as well.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rydah:
I don't know about you guys, but after the last week or so (since last ota) my video quality is excellent.

Sent From My HTC Evo 4G Using Tapa Talk Pro!
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hazard666:
Cyanogen does amazing work and if someone could build onto his camera app (for AOSP and Sense), that would be amazing. Here's to hoping this thread has or will spark someone's interest.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TheWizKid95:
+1000!

i want to make my phone as badass as possible! 720p doesnt satisfy me!
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] daftlush:
Didn't he die from aids?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] opcode1300:
when the camera hack for the N1 came out, it required mod's to both the driver and app.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mitch Matrixx:
Really, can you elaborate a little on what the hack entailed?

Within my limited knowledge of this subject, it just doesn't seem as though this should be too difficult to make improvement in the camera.

Were there audio improvements also within video mode?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CTH-EVO:
+1 to improve the camera "experience" on these things.

+$10.00 too!

--Chris
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] earthtodigi:
I'd pay atleast twenty bucks for this. Hell I don't even mind the GUI, or the video bitrate, but I'd pay ten bucks just for image stabilization and a better audio codec such as AAC.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chrishornet:
maybe a bounty thread could get more developer interest and if this was in the development section as well
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ruben8448:
I definitely think this needs to be moved to the development area and started as a bounty. I've got my $20 I'll throw in to make this happen.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] theoner1:
This issue is definitely need to be looked at. I would love for my video in low light to look as good as one from the iphone4.

I got $10 on it!!!
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] werxen:
Actually its $4.99.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chaoszepp:
This is a great idea. I get humiliated when I brag about all Evo's features being better than the iphone, but when he whips out the video cam, that video/audio is amazing. If the evo can one day do it I'll be willing to pay 10 or more for it. This and the battery are the only things holding back this Godly phone

BTW I don't know why people don't like HTC's gallery. I think it's better than the stock one. It's much faster and much simpler and new images actually load up when they're supposed to be loaded up.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] CTH-EVO:
Yes, in all honesty, I can live with the current UI. It's the output, and hardware-to-software limitations that bother me most. I'd still be in for $10 - $20 for a fix.

--Chris
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sling:
10.00 here
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chrishornet:
20$ for this
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Smac7:
any truth to rumor that our video is poor because of the slow write speeds of our sd cards? if this is true would it be possible to temporarily store the info on the device and then transfer to the card after?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mitch Matrixx:
yes,

there is some truth to the sd card write speed... In order to get some good video, with decent audio, we probably will need class 6 or better cards. I don't know what a good write speed specifically for video is, but I know that 2mbps cards that come stock with the phone write painfully slow.

Ever do some data transferring from your pc to your Evo? VERY SLOW.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jfenton57:
I all over a contribution...especially if the still images are improved as well.

I had an EPIC and I got to tell you...the still image quality blows the EVO stills away...and I know what I'm doing and all the possible tweaks.

That is the one thing that makes me feel unhappy with this phone as I need to take record images for work on jobsites and it would be nice to to have to bring a point and shoot with me when I shouldn't have to.

It would be well worth $20 IMHO.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] imtjnotu:
i pledge another 20$ so thats 70$ right there...i will try and keep track of this unless the op can throw this in the op
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] imtjnotu:
plus another 50$ so thats already at 120$
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] engagedtosmile:
Bounty threads fail more often than not.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bast525:
DINC user here, if there is any way this fix happens and can work for the DINC too, I'd put in $20. I use my camera a LOT as I have a three year old and take pics every chance I get to share with family back home.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mitch Matrixx:
Open source vs. Bounty

From what I've seen mostly on these forums, this seems to be the case.

It's great that people are enthused about this idea much as I am, but here's the thing.

If I was going to pay someone to develop this idea, then why not do just that?

I could take an ad in Craigsl!st, start a cheap dev company overnight, and pay a couple guys to work on this.

I appreciate what others are saying regarding the monetary motivation factor, but I greatly dislike the politics involved with so-called bounties, and the feverish reaction it creates, especially when someone doesn't pay up, or the end product doesn't live up to people's expectations.

As it stands, this thread was OP in Dev section when I started it. It seems that while there was little interest in this subject a month ago, it may be regaining some momentum.

At the very least, perhaps some devs will browse this thread and realize that this is something that we would like to see happen, and that we (people with Evos) will pay good money for a camera app that actually works!

I will trim the OP soon, and get it refocused on the goals/ideas behind the app being proposed. From reading it again, it almost sounds like I am hiring someone to do this job, and that's not how it should be.:cool:
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bkz_flyest:
I Want..... :( I'm always taking pics of my daughter.. Would loveeeee a better camera app!
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Minjin:
It's only been out for a week or so and the N8's already excellent camera has been hacked to make it even better.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/06/hack-improves-nokia-n8s-image-and-video-quality-puts-a-hurting/

I don't think Android devs really care about cameras.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] khov07:
+1 on this...devs, can we hear from you?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chrishornet:
is the evo capable of hdr photos
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Raadius:
Here is another $20, hell, Ill even go $30. Devs, plz, look into this!
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vincey2kr1:
I'll Put 20 bucks in, seems like most developers are fascinated with quadrant scores and battery life. The evo is only as strong as it's weakest link, the camera/video has to be tweaked please!
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mitch Matrixx:
I would certainly think so. Afaik, hdr is simply a photoshop type trick. It comines different levels of contrast, and saturation etc to achieve its unique look.

+1. I love having a zippy phone, but you can only run so many impressive benchmarks. Turning on the camera a few moments later, you quickly become let down.

I'm beginning to think devs aren't into cameras and photographs.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chrishornet:
a panoramic capability would be nice too
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] thenags:
Would be nice. AOSP camera is horrible
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dcwiker05:
Please???? Someone needs to jump on this... I havent even taken 20 pictures with this phone since launch all due to its crummy camera, I'm tired of carrying my point and shoot along everywhere I go... I don't want a DSLR but damn it this phone should be able to beat my 3 year old Cannon POS
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chrishornet:
this really would make the evo and possibly the incredible way more awesome. the iphone camera is so nice i want get one just because of that.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chaoszepp:
B. U. M. P.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] avenator14:
I would love to see this for my Incredible...... anyone reading this VOTE IT TO THE FRONT PAGE
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] KB112:
I soooo would love a great camera app. There is a lot of potential waiting to be tapped into.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] javastl:
+$20 here
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fldash:
The CM6 camera is awesome...
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vincey2kr1:
Is it? What's different? Tried so many different roms but I'm not sure wich to try of the cm6. Always end up going back to Myn's rom and virus is second.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mitch Matrixx:
This is what I found different: I don't get the hype over CM6 cam at all.

To me it seems washed out, and faded compared to sense cam. I also greatly dislike the GUI and that weird speckly border instead of fullscreen.

I haven't been keeping up with all of the CM6 updates, but I was never a convert either.

I took these pics with in minutes of each other, one with a sense rom, and the more faded looking one was CM6. Granted this was in August, but the more recent (October) builds of CM still seem to have the washed out look imo.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] serdna75:
I normally run CM6, and I get the best quality pictures with these settings:

* Flash: OFF

* White Balance: AUTO

* Focus: TOUCH

Of course, "best" is relative. I have to hold dead still, otherwise the pics look like a Picasso painting. I haven't used a Sense ROM in months, so I'm not sure if similar settings on the Sense side will make a difference.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FIT-Performance:
B to the U to the M to the P

I personally don't care about an app. I want better video and audio capture.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cor4twenty:
BUMP

anyone get anything going for this? If bounty is going sign me up for 20
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nwevo:
BUMP! I would easily pay $20 for this
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RicardEVO:
Yeah this is almost a year later and there is no "new camera app." But your list is just about perfect. Major issue with HTC camera is the auto focus software overrides the manual focus TTF function. So, if you have a hard background and want to focus on a "soft" object in foreground (eg flower) - the auto looks for the nearest hard object. This is probably due to autofocus using light pulse to determine distance.

The fix would be to change sensitivity on the autofocus sensor to allow for less dense objects to set the focal distance.

And YES, many people would pony up $5-10 for a FIX and enhanced camera app for EVO. Remember programmers, EVO owners usually got disposable income - and they are top drawer gadget freaks.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Stam2000:
Ihtfp has a working z camera that he may be release for the incredible

Sent from my Skyraider 4.0 Incredible
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] igotsthemagicinme:
im putting something together and could use a mentor

fun times on late nights lets do it!

late**

xda sucks for making me wait
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Sporkman:
xda sucks but yet you joined lol
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] regaw_leinad:
what exactly are you "putting together"?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Yay 4 Juggs:
You're thread title and closing message are quite insulting you may want to think about changing it...especially the wannabe devs part...just sayin
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] raymond4:
My friend has a htc evo 4g running 2.2 stock is there way he can root it with a one click root method
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] smw6180:
...seriously? There's a post here that actually SAYS one-click root in the title. Search. It's on the first page.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chubaan:
http://tinyurl.com/2v8g4po

I'm lovin' it!
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] raymond4:
Can you use the universal and root method with the htc evo 4g
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gedster314:
That link was too funny!
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chubaan:
no offense though, i thought that it might be helpful .. lol .. :p ..
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rydah:
Teach me how to make videos like that please.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] oshizzle1991:
this thread already has almost 300 views. lol mods please close
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] oshizzle1991:
that was EPIC. how did you create that?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jersey_609:
http://tinyurl.com/ylkvc7f

There u go
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] oshizzle1991:
hahah man im loving this! thanks bro!
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Sporkman:
ill take my + 1 and say W T F
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] techclan:
Hello All,

I just purchased a backflip and completed the rooting and unlocking. I'm using it on Tmobile network and decpite mixed feelings about this phone I'm getting to like it, but I have a problem that I can not figure out on my own after hours and hours of searching so I'm hoping I can get some help here.

The Microphone sensativity/gain is very low when talking to people and they complain that they can't hear me well, but when I turn on the HAC all is fixed and they can hear me with no problem. Down side to turning on the HAC is that some features like voice recorder and mp3 player stops working.

Is there a hack, app or a solution that I can put in place to change the mic gain or volume ?

I know there's a volume hack app but according to the website it doesnt work on Motorolas.

Any Help is appreciated.

I'm using AT&T US Version: 0.13.37 firmware
[Vibrant General] smashpunks:
So, whoever is running this and tested GPS, what's your take on how it fixed your GPS or didn't.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=780906

For me its great. I get good locks and fast. Tracks me very well on Google maps and mytracks. Rerouting is almost instantly and precise. It is definitely good enough now for me to be happy...

Edit: this thread was intended for those that flashed the whole firmware, but has gotten mixed with the flashed GPS fix.SO, THOSE WHO FLASHED ONLY THE GPS FILES PLEASE SPECIFY IN A POST FOR BETTER POLL RESULTS. THANKS

Regardless lets rejoice this is working a whole hell of a lot better...
[Vibrant General] smutek:
I'm waiting for the OTA myself, but that is definitely good to hear!
[Vibrant General] scrizz:
works great here!

locks on to 7-10 sats in mere seconds!!!

tracks well, accurate