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[myTouch 3G Slide Android Development] dumfuq:
Updated to BlaY0's newer version.

added it's own static busybox.

This version is not enabled by default, please read the OP.
[myTouch 3G Slide Android Development] TheGrammarFreak:
Regarding enabling it: do we execute this command on every boot, or just the first one after installing it?

EDIT:

Doh! Just re-read the OP, I see the answer to my question staring me in the face. I'll go learn to read now...
[myTouch 3G Slide Android Development] xl DIGITAL lx:
Newest version works great!
[myTouch 3G Slide Android Development] dumfuq:
major update :)
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] y2jamit:
Hey guys. I tried asking these questions on the official thread of this Rom but somehow my post is getting lost in the tons of pages which are accumulating everyday :D So here are my questions :

In addition to the above mentioned post, I wanted to add that I now also have a2sd enabled after running the commands from terminal emulator. What is the simplest way to update from 1.13.1 to a higher version? Also when loading market for the first time, the GPRS connection disappears and comes back in like a minute. Why is this happening? When using Trackball Alert Pro the patch option says compatible rom not found but the alerts are working fine :rolleyes: When using wi-fi hotspot and default options, it is not getting turned on although 3G shows in the top left corner. Do I have manually change any settings.

I would be highly grateful if anyone can resolve all or any of my queries. I am absolutely exhausted in asking these queries in the official thread and reading through tons of pages just to see my query being buried.:)

Thanks in advance guys.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] y2jamit:
Alright guys I managed to install 1.14.1 successfully by doing a full wipe first using instructions from this fabulous thread http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=747381 Although this thread is for myTouch 3G Slide, the basic instructions are the same for Nexus One. You just have to use the trackball to select an option. This is exactly what I was looking for :D I am sure many newbies like me who don't know what a full wipe is, will learn a lot from this magnificent thread. Thank you kingofyo1 :)

Now I still don't understand why the patch option in Trackball Alert Pro shows the rom is not compatible even though basic version is officially provided with the rom. Anyway the alerts work, so I am not going to waste any more time on it.

Even in eViL-Q&D-NXSense-v.1.14.1, when I first open market, my GPRS connection disappears and comes back in like 20-30 seconds. After that market works really well. Anyone has a solution for this?

Also Wi-Fi hotspot still doesn't turn on using default settings. Do I have to manually choose any settings?

Can anyone shed some light on the above mentioned questions?
[General Questions and Answers] czwxyz:
Is there any GSM/WCDMA mobile telecom carriers besides AT&T and T-Mobile?

Verizon, Sprint, Virgin Mobile, Cricket, Straight Talk... They are all CDMA/CDMA2000... But I do not want to throw away my Samsung Galaxy S phone, which worth nearly $500 and only supports GSM/WCDMA network. I really wan to get rid of AT&T, so does T-Mobile
[G2 and Desire Z General] skulk3r:
I know this might be a touchy topic to start, but I was seriously considering the Milestone 2 before the G-2 was announced. And when I heard that the G2 wasn't even 1GHz, I was pretty set on the Milestone 2. Then the benchmarks came out: http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2010/09/graphics-benchmark-for-g2-shows-it-should-be-blazin/

so now I am super confused.

Milestone 2 - Pros:

1GHz processor (if the Milestone can be OCed to 1GHz, who know what the Milestone2 could be OCed to?!)

Umm....that's all I think

Milestone 2 - Cons:

Locked bootloader (what does this mean exactly? no custom ROMs?)

MotoBLOATware (means slower Android updates)

Same camera as Milestone 1 (seriously...)

Motorola

G-2 - Pros:

HTC

Stock Android

Faster Android updates

Supposed to be good for Android Gingerbread as well

No locked bootloader (more custom ROMs?)

Not Motorola

G-2 - Cons:

800MHz Processor

Didn't perform as well as Droid 2 in stock benchmark tests

Less internal memory (4Gb vs 8Gb) - not a big deal I guess

Hinge design probably means it's easier to break

Does anybody think that the development for the G-2 would be larger than the Milestone 2? Because that would be a huge Pro for the G-2. The G-1 development has lasted for years, and the user base is huge...so I am just going to assume that it would be similar for the G-2.

I'm not going to mention aethetics, because this is very subjective so no point arguing on that front.

So here's my question: Which one should I get?! :confused:
[G2 and Desire Z General] ozy944:
Hmm, tough one really.

HTC Camera's are not much better than the ones motorola sticks in them to be honest! The droid has crapware on it and the HTC comes with stock sense.

It seems the processor performance is near identical, in real world application use atleast so thats a non-issue i.e. when one beomces outdated, so will the other.

In terms of mod community, the HTC phone is likely to get much more support on this website, simply because the majority of people here are HTC users or past HTC users.

The Milestone seems a bit more manly, rough and the HTC looks more refined IMHO.

Personally, I'd go the G2 if I wanted as much modding as possible. HTC has a much more open policy on the topic and no locked bootloaders (efuse etc).

At the end of the day, its your decision :p

Have a play with both phones and pick the one you feel looks better. A good question to ask is:

I know they both look nice now, but which one will look worse for wear (paint peeling, scratching etc)
[G2 and Desire Z General] skulk3r:
yeah, I was leaning a little more towards the G-2 due to the massive potential of modding/custom ROMs available. And i'm also quite sure that the G-2 will become the new platform for development, much like the G-1 was.

The 800MHz still bugs me though...considering that Qualcomm has new chipsets that are supposed to be able to go up to 1.2/3GHz whilst also running a GPU chip. I wouldn't wait until dual-cores because apparently that won't happen until next year (probably late next year).

HTC are supposed to be doing a pretty major announcement in London on the 15th September (so we'll hear about it on the 16th)...so hopefully that might shed some light on it. Of course, if the G-2 is the only QWERTY option, then that would probably limit our choices.

...if only they had made that a 1GHz processor...
[G2 and Desire Z General] ozy944:
I wouldnt rate the 1ghz feature that highly. Perhaps 800 mhz is an underclock to enhance battery life. After all, the benchmarks say performance is on par with the top phones.
[G2 and Desire Z General] j.books:
99.9999% guaranteed that you'll be able to overclock the G2 to at least 1ghz
[G2 and Desire Z General] sheek360:
IMO the onlything that the M2 has over the G2 is how far u can OC the processor. those A8's can go far.
[G2 and Desire Z General] j.books:
I dunno. clock speed is overrated. you don't know what performs better in the real world until you see some benchmarks.
[G2 and Desire Z General] sheek360:
That's true. Apperantly I read that a 800mhz Droid 1 performs on par with a n1. The a8 can be oc to all hell.

I definately am a fan of TI chips. They are mighty strong and it always seemed that they always had a leg up on qualcomm. I hope qualcomm stomps everyone with some massive processor that'll make the hummingbird cry
[G2 and Desire Z General] Mylenthes:
The g2 is under-clocked according to the press release.
[G2 and Desire Z General] sheek360:
I heard. At the end of the day a underclocked processor that runs as fast as a snapdragon and wastes less power is a win in my book!
[G2 and Desire Z General] skulk3r:
I have read that the ARM procs are better with GPUs and for overclocking - just look at the Milestone 1. The Droid 2 was still benchmarked as the best (but only just over the G-2) and it's potential for OCing was what swayed me that way.

But now that these new Qualcomm chipsets have a separate GPU that seem to be able to compete with the best in benchmarking - it's hard to say.

If the G-2 can be OCed, then that would be awesome...but then, the Milestone 2 is also about 99% sure to be OCed...as I'm sure previous Milestone 1 owners will be screaming for it as soon as they get their hands on the new one.
[G2 and Desire Z General] sheek360:
Im confused. I thought the nexus had a seperate gpu?
[G2 and Desire Z General] skulk3r:
as far as I know, it does, but either the GPU isn't fully utilized in the use of Android or it's just a underpowered - just see the benchmarking results on the previous page that I posted, the Milestone 2 and G-2 smoke the N1 (which is expected, since the N1 is much older)
[G2 and Desire Z General] mejorguille:
Well If I made the list I would make it more like this:

Droid 2

Pro's:

-More high res screen (854*480 vs 800*480, both on a 3.7" screen)

-8 Gigs internal storage (4 gb more than G2)

-1 Ghz TI 45nm processor (likely to overclock fairly well)

-1 oz lighter

Con's:

-MotoCRAP software (look at the scrolling on any phone with blur from the cliq to droid x and tell me it doesn't feel slow)

-keyboard lacking comparing it to the G2

-locked bootloader (harder to develop roms for, root still possible though)

-CDMA (yeah it sucks.... that's why noone outside the US uses it...)

G2

Pro's:

-Better screen (S-TFT lcd vs regular lcd on the droid/2; brighter, more contrast, better power consumption)

-720P camcoder at 30FPS

-Adreno205 GPU(4X better graphics than previous snapdragons)

-800 Mhz MSM7230 45nm (this shows it was designed to run at 1 Ghz, but underclocked to save battery. Similar to the MSM7201A on the G1, designed for 528 Mhz but only runs at 385 Mhz unmodified; should at least be overclockable to 1.13 or more)

-better keyboard (WWW.\.COM BUTTON? HELL YEAH!)

-HSPA+ (who doesn't want 14 MB/s DL?)

-GSM (gsm is always better....)

-likely to receive updates rapidly (no promises though, look at the 3 months it took motorola to update to 2.1 on their "google experience" device)

-New sturdy Z-hinge design

Con's:

-ummm.......

Yeah so what if the droid 2 gets an extra 3 frames (58 vs 61)... Your eye can only detect 50FPS unless you're a combat pilot or a sniper with trained eyesight. Besides that both phone's have pretty identical specs, including 512 mb ram, 2.2, 10 hrs talk time, etc. My vote is definately towards the g2, but don't get me wrong both are beasts of a phone. Also I wouldn't expect to see any dual core's until maybe next summer. Think about it: Qualcomm released the original snapdragon in Nov 2008, but it wasn't until Dec 2009 that a phone implemented it (LG Expo). The dual core qualcomm chips come out next month, so it should be 6 months-a year before they come out.
[G2 and Desire Z General] skulk3r:
Well technically the Milestone 2 is a GSM device, not CDMA, but the other points are quite good.

However, don't forget that the Milestone 2 can also OC...so the two are comparable in that sense.
[G2 and Desire Z General] setspeed:
Didn't I read somewhere that Android doesn't yet support hardware acceleration for it's UI? Meaning that that spiffy new GPU will only get used in games/video, etc? I'm no expert on this - perhaps someone could chip in and explain...

I too am facing the same decision soon. I love my Desire, but I will never buy a keyboardless phone again, and will chop it in for one of these two as soon as I can.

I was leaning more towards the Milestone 2 as it looks badass in my opinion, and there is no major difference in the specs. That was til I read up about locked bootloaders, and the fact that Milestone 1 owners are still on Android 2.1 and Motorola just doesn't give a sh*t about the numerous bugs the phone has.

Just a quick search around forums/Facebook Motorola Europe page etc, shows how unhappy Milestone 1 owners are with Motorola. Page after page of people saying "I will NEVER buy Motorola again" and literally begging Motorola to unlock the bootloader before abandoning the phone (all met with a deafening silence from Motorola) does turn me off of the Milestone 2. Motorola won't fix the phone and won't give their customers the tools to fix it themselves, so as far as I'm concerned I'm not going to spend £400-500 to put myself in that same position with the Milestone 2.

On the HTC side of things, they do make attempts to stop people modding their phones, but have not yet gone as far as locking the bootloader, and every HTC phone has been compromised. I fully expect this to be the case with the G2/Desire Z (Desire Z - what a sh*t name!), and the phone WILL get a lot of dev support, no question.

Ultimately, I believe there is no choice for me: pain with Motorola, or fun with HTC/XDA devs!

I'm still not sure about the hinge action, nor do I like the looks of the G2 particularly, I think it's going to turn out to be a bit of a fat chunker! Still, I go for personality and functionality in my phone rather than looks, otherwise I'd have an iPhone! It's also a crying shame that HTC went with a 4 row rather than 5 row keyboard.... And one final request please HTC - make sure that screen is full multitouch please! Oh, and I have heard this bad-boy is going to have stock Android with HTC Sense widgets - that's all well and good, but what I'm interested in is the Sense Dialer. And the Sense browser text selection please - I want that available everywhere on the phone, please!
[G2 and Desire Z General] setspeed:
Uh oh - just read the G2 has just 1300maH battery.

HTC, what is this twattery? I don't want to go backwards with battery size! Yes I know, more efficient processor, blah blah, lower clock speed, yadda yadda - but I don't give a monkey's!

A smaller battery in a bigger handset than the original Desire is not good enough in my mind. The G2 is going to be a brick anyway - why not add 5mm to the length and give us an extra 200-300maH? Or perhaps if you'd used a more standard slider action then you could've fitted a beefier battery in there :-(
[G2 and Desire Z General] Zaim2:
It's true, but the next version Android Gingerbread adds it, which is where handsets with weaker gpus will begin to struggle. Running AOSP means that it will get updates at the same speed of the Nexus one.

However, the Clove spec for the Desire Z has it as a Sense device. This is backed up with the earlier screenshot of the Desire Z with the default sense wallpaper, and the name (why would they give it Desire branding if it didn't have Sense?). So there's a chance they'll put in the 8X55 which is the 1ghz of the same processor, but doesn't support HSPA+ (which isn't in the UK). So we'd gain 200mhz in return for Sense and an uglier handset colour scheme.

UK HTC event is tomorrow, so we should find out then.
[G2 and Desire Z General] schriss:
Adreno205 GPU, 4X better graphics than previous snapdragons.

I think it's the only one that has hardware accelerated Adobe Flash support.

I remember seeing Milestone 2 and other android phones reviews, reviewers said phone would literally crawl when browsing flash enabled websites.

So maybe that feature will make a big difference?

I think I've decided: G2
[G2 and Desire Z General] skulk3r:
waiting to see what new things HTC has "dreamt" up for their announcement of the 15th (in London)...but I don't expect things to be any different than what we know now.

yes, the battery is a crying shame, but tbh I charge my phone every night ever since I got my blackstone...and I also have a car charger...but it would still be nice to have a phone that would last more than 2 days.

I'm not sure I fully understand the bootloader stuff...I've seen youtube videos of people running something called a "Bugless Beast" ROM on an OCed Milestone 1....but I agree, Motorola are pretty bad with customer service and post-sales support. HTC, on the other hand, are pretty happy to turn a blind eye to the modding community - as all Android manufacturers should..since Android is technically an opensource platform.

Oh..also...I don't really care about the name Desire Z, lol.....just a name. They could call it "The Loser Phone" and I'd still probably get it :p
[G2 and Desire Z General] setspeed:
Hang on - same processor but at 1ghz? So therefore worse battery life out of the box? I know, i know, root, SetCPU, etc. To be honest the battery on my Desire is only just acceptable at the moment, and that's stepping it down from 806>576>384MHz using SetCPU according to battery level - I was hoping from some improvements with the G2, but with a smaller battery pack.... This is not looking good! I hope HTC prove me wrong - there's no way I'm going back to something with the abysmal battery life of my old Dream!!
[G2 and Desire Z General] sheek360:
with the g2 processor using less power then our snapdragons, i hope that 1300mah battery is enough
[G2 and Desire Z General] mejorguille:
Of course it is! It has 10 hours talk time compared to the 6.5 on the desire! Also, the standby time is 17.5 days vs 15 days. Don't forget that the new processors are 45nm compared to the 65nm in today's snapdragons.

TMO G2 talk time , HTC Desire talk time

Lol sorry in the USA it's called the droid 2, didn't realize that this was about the international version.

Try Gallery3D on a eclair/froyo rom on your G1 and tell me how it performs. I believe android 2.X started using openGL, which is why we can't RAM hack our G1's anymore.

Yeah in theory that makes sense. The nexus one get's update's as soon as their announced. Why, becuase it is THE google phone, it is what it is tested on. The G2 will not be a google phone as it shares T-mobile branding. It runs AOSP but is at the carriers discretion whether or not it will be released and when. Look at the nexus that selling in the UK, I believe it doesn't even have froyo yet, or it was just recently released, whereas unlocked nexus users had it for months.

Woah, hold on there, do you really think HTC would switch out the whole processor just because?

LOL, I would get it if was called the IPhone :cool:
[G2 and Desire Z General] sheek360:
seems too good to be true, thats awesome
[G2 and Desire Z General] mejorguille:
lol don't jinx it :D
[G2 and Desire Z General] j.books:
hate to say it, but I do think its too good to be true... the link for the G2 talk time you posted says 6.5 hours, not 10....
[G2 and Desire Z General] mejorguille:
Hmmm it said 10 hours yesterday. On another link it shows 590 minutes (10 hours), so I'm hoping for the later, but there are conflicting sources. We'll have to wait and see.
[G2 and Desire Z General] skulk3r:
I actually believe that it's a different chip...not the same processor. Hence the different code...8XXX as opposed to 7XXX. And we never know..the battery on the 1+GHz devices may actually be bigger.

As for the Sense/no-Sense....regardless of whatever vanilla Android comes out, I'm pretty sure that I'll probably go for a modded ROM (although I can't say for sure, since I've only ever used WinMO! =P :()...so whether it comes with Sense widgets or not...not a huge deal. The modders/chefs cook up a modded version basically days after a new android build is released...so no need to wait too long (unlike HTC and Motorola and their 'official' Froyo ROMs - people are STILL waiting)

people keep talking about battery life - it's a smartphone that not only has a camera, but has constant internet connectivity, a whopping great WVGA 3.7" screen, bluetooth, wifi, push emailing, GPS, etc etc. You can't really compare that to your Motorola Razr or Sony Ericsson W850i. Getting about 1 day out of it is normal, 2 days is great and 3 days is bloody amazing.
[G2 and Desire Z General] mejorguille:
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Tech Specs

Processor 800 MHz Qualcomm MSM 7230

Operating System Android 2.2

Memory 4GB ROM, 512 MB RAM

Display 3.7-inch WVGA 480x 800 resolution, capacitive touchpanel

Network GSM: 850, 900, 1800, 1900

UMTS: Yes GPS GPS/aGPS

Camera 5 megapixel color camera with auto focus and flash

Connectivity Wi-Fi and Bluetooth Power Rechargeable battery, 1300 mAh Talk Time Up to 400 minutes for WCDMA

Up to 590 minutes for GSM

(The above are subject to network and phone usage.)

Standby Time Up to 430 hours for WCDMA

Up to 430 hours for GSM

(The above are subject to network and phone usage.) Dimensions & Weight 119mm(L)x 60.4mm(W)x 14.16mm(T), 180g with battery pack

Official Specs, straight from HTC.com. Shows 10 hours talk with GSM and 6.5 hours talk on WCDMA(3G).
[G2 and Desire Z General] j.books:
yeah so looks like the htc site and the tmo site say different things. the htc site says close to 10 hours but the tmo site says 6.5. hmmmmm
[G2 and Desire Z General] skulk3r:
this review certainly does not make things any easier.

http://gizmodo.com/5638424/htc-desire-z-is-a-gorgeous-slide+out-qwerty-android-with-brains

what's going on? 2.1? where's Froyo? very underwhelming
[G2 and Desire Z General] setspeed:
What the... no Froyo out of the box? Plus that thing is running Sense!!!
[G2 and Desire Z General] setspeed:
So does this mean we have the added burden of the Sense framework on top of Android, yet no RAM increase to account for it (unlike the standard Desire which has 576MB RAM)? How does HTC think they can do me like this? I'm going to root the thing anyway, but to have less RAM than it's predecessor - that's just stupidity!

The sooner the G2 ROM is ported, the better, is all I can say.
[G2 and Desire Z General] skulk3r:
yup...very sad =[. But I am guessing that since it is identical to the G-2...ROOTness will come very quickly. So Froyo and lovely flash in vanilla flavour should not be too long in coming! =D

the Desire HD runs the 1GHz 8255 Snapdragon..that's the same as the EVO. Is that better or worse than the 7230 chipset that the Desire Z will have? as far as I know, the 8255 has the Adreno 200 GPU, and the 7230 has the 205 GPU...right?

edit: actually...no. the 8255 has the Adreno 205 which means it still beats the Desire Z. boo.

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(processor)
[G2 and Desire Z General] setspeed:
I'm not to up on the processors, but if what you say is true then I'm disappointed.

HTC already has me as a customer, cos I'm not going to mess around with Moto and their locked bootloaders, or Samsung and their dodgy, poorly-made (albeit blazing) hardware.

All HTC has to do for me is give me a phone with the best tech (SOC & RAM) in a package with a keyboard. Don't make me choose between those two specifications, because I'm going to be disappointed with either choice, aren't I?

I'm always going to envy the other phone for some reason, and ultimately I'm not 100% happy :-(
[G2 and Desire Z General] setspeed:
And what's this:

http://gizmodo.com/5638494/htc-desire-hd-a-720p+shootin-android-behemoth

"Both the Desire HD and Desire Z will be Vodafone exclusives in Europe—no word on further availability just yet."

I'm just in the process of leaving Vodafone for their completely shoddy customer service - I'll be f*cked if I'm going back to them once I get out of their money-grasping, incompetent hands! Looks like it's definitely sim-free for me then.
[G2 and Desire Z General] skulk3r:
well the build quality seems pretty awesome at least

http://www.engadget.com/photos/htc-desire-z-hands-on/#3364223

okay, Z-hinge is still intact...but only 1.5Gb of storage (vs Milestone 2's 4Gb...tsk tsk tsk, HTC). but apparently it along the same lines of the HTC Legend's build quality .

http://gizmodo.com/5638571/to-hold-htcs-desire-z-is-to-love-it

waiting for video review uploads now

edit: video up now

http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/15/htc-desire-z-hands-on/