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[Hero CDMA General] Mac11700:
No offence but why aren't you posting this at IRC ? I don't even know what IRC is or anything,but if you are so unhappy with how folks treated you there,I would take my concerns to the management of the place and then decide wither I would go back based on what the management did about it.

Complaining at a different forum isn't allowing those there any redress or are you trying to get them to come here and start a argument ? Sounds to me like you are wanting a fight about it here.

Bottom line..you like Sense over ASOP..Fine..Super..Great..Awesome..but just don't expect everyone everywhere to have your same level of enthusiasm for it,or continue making statements like I like sense..get over it. Your just trying to provoke an 1 sided argument..not a discussion.Your piting 1 side against the other. If you want a discussion on each..ask a question like " Why do you prefer one over the other ? " ..or " What is your favorite like or dislike about x or y "

BTW..I like both..each from what I have experianced has good qualities and bad..sort of like life itself..some good..some bad.. which is why I use what I do I get the best qualities IMHO of each I like;)

Mac
[Hero CDMA General] Tipharet:
Zoooommmggg Noooooooo! We must hate things, and not be ok with diversity!

I purpose a burn HTC sense day.

:rolleyes:
[Hero CDMA General] unCoRrUpTeD:
I was in no way trying to be hostile and you were right. I must have skipped over the part of using different widgets or apps to imitate sense, but I have had better luck with CM6. A couple of months ago, before CM6, I had tried some AOSP looking ROMS and i could not stand the look of them. I also tried Darchdroid and didn't like that. On the first night CM6 was released as a test I downloaded and was impressed by the speed I was getting and the lag I use to get was gone. I then used some of the apps I referred to and I liked the way my phone looked. But then I got Sense-deprived and flashed a Sense Rom back. I kept it on for about 3 weeks and once I saw camera preview and gps was working I flashed CM6 back on and haven't looked back. I agree that the look of Sense is better than AOSP, but with a little bit of theming I can make it look a whole lot better and it runs much better IMHO. Some have said that after a couple of days the phone starts going slower and I was also experiencing this, but with the nightly I am running now I haven't had any problems.
[Hero CDMA General] Sparticuz:
I have always helped people in IRC. In fact, I run Fresh 2.4 half the time...
[Hero CDMA General] smolck:
I'm a senior member and don't know much. I think the "titles" are more like participation awards. :D
[Hero CDMA General] mrinehart93:
Much better post :D
[Hero CDMA General] bikcmp:
They're nice when you get to know them. I have to agree a little bit with you though... they can get a bit crazy
[Hero CDMA General] bikcmp:
Well, I'm a op for the heroc channel; if you see someone being stupid, let me know! Stupidity is a bannable offense :p
[Hero CDMA General] OtisFeelgood:
I guess that explains why im always getting banned/quieted. ;o
[Hero CDMA General] ahernandez4110:
I agree with you 100% I had the same issue as you. The only thing that I miss from CM6 was live wall paper. I'm running DamageControl v1.0 on metropcs 100% working and stable. I just wish I had Live Wall Paper any idea where I could get it. for my HTC-Hero
[Hero CDMA General] churro7:
if i can find a froyo rom with sense id switch but till then...
[Hero CDMA General] ro_bro:
one thing not mentioned is the HTC camera and album app. I tried CM6, and the lack of the album app and the inability to install it (since it only works on the Sense framework) was a dealbreaker. I always take pics and share it. The HTC album app easily does that.
[Hero CDMA General] PlagaDeRock:
This is a neatly polished dog turd. And I can say that since I wasted my time reading this whole thread...

Does anyone at all use asop with no theme no widgets and no alternate launcher? Other than that really the only thing in here worth commenting on at all is that the devs that make apps for the market totally deserve the $1.00 - $3.00 max they get on their apps be glad its not the apple market where you can't download anything worthwhile unless it has a pricetag on it. At least we get a ton of great options to try and then donate.
[Hero CDMA General] vita10gy:
I figured I'd miss sense and don't miss it one bit.

A charge often levied at Android is "you mean it can't do ____ out of the box? You need to download an app to do that?!" But I don't think these people realize what that implies. Sure, a phone that literally did nothing until you installed apps would be pretty weird, but the bottom line is you'd get your choice in what to run that way, and if there was no previous way to do ____ on your phone, then there's no app you're just going to ignore taking up space on the phone and cluttering the app drawer. The same is pretty much true here. Sense was a cool addition at the time, but it was a victim of it's own success. Everything good about it was stolen/copied 10 times over. Stock android is half the size, and with minimal effort, and likely no $, you could have everything you like about sense running on CM6, without the stuff you didn't care about, without the Sense bloat/lag, and with bonuses like weather widgets that actually show you weather that's not from last tuesday.

If there's 10 free and 10 paid great apps just 2 clicks away in the market, why reinvent the wheel with a stock app few will use?

This is especially funny coming from iPhanboys because they get no choice in pretty much anything because apple won't allow apps that "duplicate core functionality" for no real reason, other than because they can. (Of course all it takes is a little hand waving and some comments about how "we're doing this to protect your battery life" and all the flock lick it up.)
[Hero CDMA General] Zardos66:
I run stock aosp with no theme. The only widgets I use are Google search, power control, and music. The default launcher is perfect and doesn't need to be changed. Im 100% happy with my phone now. Its a million times better than sense. Sense made me want to return this junk.

Also, 2.2s lock screen is far superior. Being able to silence the phone without unlocking it is great. The time is also larger and negates the need to waste home screen space on a widget.
[Hero CDMA General] bray424:
At this point, there are really only two things I miss from Sense: the clock widget and the weather widget. I loved the Sense clock widget because I was one touch away from a kitchen timer that I could carry with me and hear no matter what. The weather widget not only looked great, but had a five day forecast (something the genie widget I'm currently using instead lacks). Sure there are widgets on the market that come close to doing the same thing as these widgets, but either they look ugly and look terribly out of place, or in the case of apps like Weather Widgets, don't work at all.

That all said, I use CM6 now and would need a very strong convincing (Froyo w/Sense?) to ever go back. My phone is first and foremost a phone, and running Sense made the phone so slow that making and answering calls became a chore. I didn't really realize how slow Sense was until I made myself ditch Fresh 2.3.3 for CM6 for an entire week, just to see what all the fuss was about. I didn't really notice the speed difference at first, but at the end of the week when I tried the recently released Fresh 2.4, it was painfully apparent.

Next year when my contract is up I will probably pick up another HTC phone running Sense, and hope that the processor power has caught up to the point where it can run it without slowing the phone down. But on a first gen Hero, Sense just seems like trying to tow a yacht behind a Prius.
[Hero CDMA General] Jus10o:
When I had the Hero I used cm6 like everyone else. I even used cm5 before that and even straight compiled google source 2.2 before cm6. But then my friend got me to put a sense rom back on and I loved it. The only thing I liked about cm6 was the speed difference. But then days later I got the Evo and I havent even attempted to put cm6 on it. The benchmarks might be nice with cm6 but with sense running it doesnt lag even for a split second on Evo. So I have no need for it.

The conclusion is that the only reason i cared to use cm6 was for the speed increase on the Hero.

Also the Evo's power is more then enough for Sense, special with 2.2 sense. The new desire has an even newer Sense ui that will increase speeds even more, so nothing to worry about.

I used aosp roms on Hero for over 5 months, so I wasnt new to it.
[Hero CDMA General] YoungSinema:
Besides the slight speed difference, what's so great about ASOP roms that make them better than sense?
[Hero CDMA General] stayclean:
Personally speaking, I find the speed difference to be fairly big, plus AOSP roms are much less bloated, giving you more internal space for apps that benefit from running internally (runs faster depending on what class SD card you have and etc), and Widgets if you use those. I also personally prefer the stock/vanilla look.
[Hero CDMA General] familyguy26:
I prefer the sense dialer, music player, and lock screen. I've tried AOSP custom roms, but it's been my bad luck that not one of them works as well for me as my hero rooted on 1.5 in terms of basic phone functionality. I've consistently had issues with bluetooth, lag on phone dialer, missed notifications, lost audio, and poor battery life. Although even sense 2.1 on the hero gave me similar problems, which is why I went back to stock 1.5. I'll probably stay on the same version until my next phone upgrade in December.
[Hero CDMA General] twilk73:
Its a matter of choice and prefrence. For me AOSP is more functional and lends its self to the way I work and organize things. To me Sense is bloated and all over the place doing double duty for things and putting things where they shouldnt be.
[Hero CDMA General] LiquidSolstice:
So, person #2 that totally missed the part of my first post where I said Stock Sense vs Stock AOSP. Well done. Almost every single one of your counter-points involved adding some sort of extra app and whatnot.
[Hero CDMA General] pkopalek:
No matter what launcher you use, ever, anywhere, nothing is like SenseUI.

I ran cm6 and others for a long time. When I hand my phone to an iPhone user, they LAUGH at me. The scrolling between screens, on its most basic level, doesn't 'feel' natural. LP, ADW, Zeam, Helix, Stock Home, anything. They all scroll like garbage between screens compared to SenseUI.

I'm not trying to get laughed at by an iPhone'er. SenseUI is all that makes the phone attractive. I love Android. But I'll be hard pressed to get a non-HTC phone with Android, ever, just because of SenseUI. Smoother, better looking, more intuitive, better built in apps and widgets, and many Android 2.2 features (that aosp 2.1 didn't have).

I don't feel like I'm missing anything except reasonable Live Wallpapers with a non-Sense launcher.

Sense FTW.
[Hero CDMA General] unCoRrUpTeD:
Whats funny is that we are not installing extra apps. We are replacing an HTC app with an alterate app.
[Hero CDMA General] LiquidSolstice:
No, what's funny is that you don't seem to get what "stock" means.
[Hero CDMA General] tejasrichard:
I'm sorry, and I'm not trying to be rude here, but you have kind of missed the point, yourself. One of the greatest things about android is how customizable it is, and how deeply you can customize it. If sense is so great, and there is nothing better out there than what HTC put in the box, why even bother rooting? If you like sense, no skin off my back. I like being able to change the launcher to suit me. Stock sense is not capable of doing 1/4th of the things that ADW can. The only thing it CAN do is run sense-based widgets. As others have said, there are replacements for many of those. For instance, I prefer dialerone to every other dialer I have tried. And I love swype. The only widgets I run are powercontrol, digital clock, and ocwidget. For me, I feel like "Why bother with widgets for messaging or email, when notifications pop those up anyway?" It seems like another way to shorten battery life to me.

Again, I'm not saying that I am right and someone else is wrong here, we all have different needs from our setups, but trying to compare stock sense to stock cm6 is just silly when the whole point of using android is that it is open-source and customizable...otherwise, why not just buy a damned Iphone? And, to head a possible argument off at the pass, isn't the whole point of the market to have access to programs that allow you to do things you wouldn't otherwise be able to do? In other words, downloading a widget for email or whatever doesn't mean you aren't running stock cm6. Here is another way to look at it: at some burger joints, you order a burger and they put the toppings on for you, at other places you pick which toppings you want from a toppings bar and put them on yourself. Sure, the first place may allow you some freedom to add or remove toppings but, personally, I prefer to be the one deciding how much mayo to spread on the bun, and whether I want three pickle slices or ten or none at all.

With sense, as far as I'm concerned, you can hold ALL the pickles
[Hero CDMA General] LiquidSolstice:
Except.....I never said anything about Android not being customizable, I said it was a comparison between Stock Sense and Stock AOSP. Sense is not just the widget and the launcher, it includes the apps and the theme, why is it so difficult for people to get this?

Yes, yes, I know. Android is customizable and amazing, sure. But Sense does far more than AOSP out of the box in terms of functionality, and that's my point. Anything you do to AOSP after that point is not my concern and is not involved in this comparison.
[Hero CDMA General] jwhistler:
WTF???? :eek:
[Hero CDMA General] tejasrichard:
no, you are comparing sense and its compliment of included apps to cm6 and whatever launcher you happen to have used with it (stock is adw). Those widgets aren't sense, they just only run on senseui. You could get rid of all of them and the phone would still run. Again, the only thing sense can do that cm6 can't is run those few apps and widgets. Name a few things (not widget-related) that cm6 can't do that stock sense can.

Btw friend, I fully understood that you were trying to compare "out-of-the-box" sense and AOSP....trust me, I didn't get lost. But frankly, you have missed the point. All the themes, apps, etc (and the fact that you can use them) are FEATURES OF AOSP....they just aren't on the phone at initial install. How can you compare a software suite to a simple launcher and think you are making a valid comparison? Not only that but, if I remember correctly, you are running zen's rom....not exactly stock sense, is it? I mean, the fact that it runs jit should tell you that. If you want to discuss functionality, tell me this: does stock sense give you he ability to choose between an app drawer and a scaling launcher? Can you set the number of rows and columns in the app tray and on the homescreen? In stock sense, can you set the number of screens, choose which one to designate as home, choose how fast it flips between screens, and whether there is any overshot and bounciness? Does stock sense allow you to easily change the color of all text in the statusbar and notifications screen to match whatever theme you install? Does it allow you to adjust your leds and vibration patterns for different notifications? Does stock sense allow you to pick which direction your phone rotates or what the default orientation is? I could go on for a long while more naming functionality that AOSP has that stock sense doesn't.
[Hero CDMA General] tigeredwards:
some reasons are the same :D
[Hero CDMA General] Mac11700:
I'm guilty :o I didn't realize you were comparing just the bones of asop against a full blown sense rom either :rolleyes:.

If your not going to do a fair comparison,YTF start a thread like this in the first place...? I haven't heard of anyone running a bare or as you put it "stock" asop rom. My understanding is the reason for asop is to be customized from the start..and just the asop backbone is ment to be built up by each developer..Tell me..since sense is a add on to the android platform..who is bothering to develope a rom with out having it available? Wouldn't it be a more fair comparison to compare just the back bone of the android platform to asop ?

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[Hero CDMA General] twilk73:
Wow, wow, wow, wow! Dont complain that I cant read and then do exactly the same thing. There is only one app in my whole thread that you can say is an extra app I needed to install. One app! That app is BW and it cost me $1.99. The other apps I put in that descirption of my reasoning for AOSP are apps I would have used in HTC Sense. Like for instance I explained how I felt the Droid X keyboard was superior. I would have used the Droid X keyboad with HTC Sesne. If I could customize sense I would have cut the pages down to two instead of the unessisary Seven. Seven pages is unessisary for me that is! The other apps I mentioned are apps I would use with HTC Sense if I used HTC Sense. Also there is one app I mentioned but if you did read my post you would have read it says "you could get" and not I have. That app is also the price of a candy bar lol.

HTC Sense simply has widgets you can paint the pages with. There are no real options or settings. Plus with sense you have to have your phone app, text app, email app and voice mail app above the HTC rosie. I prefer the all in that bar as well as the app draw. Its nice and clean that way.

Furthermore to justify buying BW for the sake of this argument, the BW clock is far superior to that of the sense clock in every way. The customization you have with BW is very nice. BW is more then worth the price of a candy bar.

Now before you respond make sure you fully read and understand my statment and not just assume I posted something that you can skim and critisize. I am willing to allow you to at least read my post again and then edit your post to be more argumentative then offensive. I mean isnt this supposed to be a thread about why we think one is better then the other? If it isnt well you deffinantly let it open to that just by voicing your opinion. I admite with debates like this things tend to get heated on either side so I apologize for anything in that post or this one you find offensive its just the nature of debating that gets people heated and acting stupid.
[Hero CDMA General] twilk73:
Just arguing the second paragraph here. You need to provide direct points, you cant just state that it is what it is. The AOSP dialer is superior to the Sense Dialer in my opinion. I can merge three way calls with the click of a button with the AOSP dialer. I can click the phone click favorits and call a favorit person from my list quick and easy with out the need of a sense widget to hog up me screen. In my opion that is just as fast if not faster then the using the sense widget. I mean when I had the sense widget on my phone for favorits I had to swype to that page and wait a second for it to load because it never had the contacts loaded. AOSP organizes things within the main apps. Sense doesnt do that. Sense instead gives you widgets to put on your screen which esentialy is the same thing. But its not organized, its messy.

Arguments like these really are pointless because even when I am sitting here typing this I am trying to understand your side and I can understand your side. I mean really its just a matter of how you want things to work on your phone. What we should really be doing is being thankful we have the option to choose how we want it to be. You can have your way and I can have mine. Its almost as if we are fightying with arguments like these to only have one way.

Lol Apple guys dont know how to use android phones because they simply wont take the time to do it. Yeah I can pick up an iPhone and use it because its all the same and its simple. Smart isnt simple it takes time. You got to learn to be smart. Yes I have an android and with my set up its hard for someone to use without knowing how to use it. However if anyone needed to make a call from my phone that part is easie enogh to figure out. I dont know though maybe android isnt that hard to use. I was really afraid to give my wife an android phone because she doesnt pick up complicated things well. I mean she is more of an iPhone person in my option. As in you can just grab it and use it you dont have to learn anything. However, my wife has had the phone for a few days and already seems to be doing fine. I loaded CM6 on her hero and showed her how to do everything. And to my surprize she is doing fine.
[Hero CDMA General] RogueM:
Actually, I was a very big fan of the Sense UI and it's refinements in 2.1. Where that all ended was when my battery was sucked dry in less than a day just by background activity and not by actual usage. I was further convinced by the 20sec lag on making outbound calls from the sense dialer. That drove me up the wall. The input lag on EVERYTHING was terrible after the update to 2.1.

About 2 months ago I rooted the stock ROM and gained tethering. That made me happy. But short lived, as the other issues were with the ROM and not going to get fixed after having rooted. (duh, I know).

About 2 weeks ago I went online and dug up homework on alternate ROM's and then a buddy of mine did the CM6 mod install. After seeing how smooth, how glossy and polished this ROM behaved..and the double increase in battery life, and the customization options...I was convinced. Swapped shortly afterwards. I've been super impressed with this ROM. It feels like an entirely new phone.

None of the terrible keyboard lag is present. No waiting 20sec for the dialer to function between calls. No more battery drain before the end of the day. And no more parasititic background activity that made the entire phone's OS run poorly.

Yes, there are things to work on in CM6 but by and large this is the best ROM for 2.2, and possibly the most usable version of my phone I've seen or had. Before I wanted to throw my phone, now I keep it at my side constantly..no frustrations.

Sense UI is refined, but with that refinement there seems to be some dirty coding that leaves the Hero very sluggish and buggy. I haven't had to remove the battery once to fix a freeze as I did semi-frequently with the stock ROM using Sense UI.

I'll never go back. It's everything I wanted and more. The widgets are worth losing if the phone is now a phone again..and a good one. just my .02.

Apps I've found to replace Sense UI:

Calendar: Agenda Widget ( better in many ways than the Sense UI option)

Visual Voicemail: Using the sprint_core apk to get this back as was in 2.1 android

All others I'm not missing enough to duplicate.