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[Legend General] CrazyPeter:
HTC not doing Froyo for Hero. This is some hacker saying the HTC Aria stuff may make a homebrew Legend Froyo ROM possible.

The Aria is much closer to the Hero spec than the Legend, which has a much faster CPU, a dedicated GPU and a AMOLED screen with higher resolution.
[Legend General] delarium:
Did send a email till HTC yesturday... about the FroYo for Legend. Im sorry to inform you the result of that e-mail wasnt to happy :( The mail said the might be working on froyo for Legend, but they couln't say for sure it would come at all.

This sux... :(
[Legend General] zabaknilesh:
Thats true..I can bet with anyone... Legend will never ever get Froyo (nor will Hero)... (unfortunate :mad:)
[Legend General] chirusal2009:
the most stupid move will be to make dark legend with froyo and hero, but silver legend will remain on eclair because the colour is different and is not compatible with froyo :))
[Legend General] janarp:
What is differences for black and silver?
[Legend General] Firecold:
color, they have no difference in hardware

lolwut? Aria/gratia basically is legend in plastic body.Well, yeah, it has TFT instead of AMOLED. Same egg, side view
[Legend General] troupierLEON:
I got a reply from HTC Germany (took 5 Minutes!). They wrote, that they expect 2.2 for the Legend VERY soon... but they can't give me an exact date.

We'll see...
[Legend General] janarp:
if they dont give us froyo then is it possible to get black offical froyo rom for silver one??...=)=)

Well lets wait then..=) but we wait allready few months...

sry for my SH*T english...=)=)
[Legend General] BesFen:
There is any possibility, if the black version have same hardware with silver, it more easy to port it, many people said that nandroid back up is not good way to take the ROM, but we can try with it.

If someone have black legend with stock froyo, just back up it and share it here.
[Legend General] whitetigerdk:
Unfortunately in order to do this backup your phone has to be rooted.. If black Legend comes with FroYo it will probably not be open for rooting..
[Legend General] zabaknilesh:
and as history shows..Developers arent very keen on rooting Legend..(true as still there is no one click root available for HTC Legend)...

so u can expect black legend to get rooted may be when google will release Ice cream (version after gingerbread):D
[Legend General] OzJD:
You're right - somewhat.

They'd need to downgrade to Android 2.1 to be able to root (so they wouldn't have the system we want)

However, a soft/temp root is enough to dump the NAND partitions (they can dump anything without changing the OS)

This also works out good for them - After it has been dumped and fixed, it will be possible for them to get permanent root

This is all assuming it's the exact same hardware.

If you mean Unrevoked, I'm sure they've said they haven't done it because of they don't have a device.
[Legend General] BesFen:
Oh....yes, i forgot about it, we can only wait htc release official froyo for it.
[Legend General] rajasyaitan:
Ifag spotted. It is called diversify. A phonemaker creates phones, not trend.
[Legend General] Firecold:
You should look for definition of diversification. It would have been diversification if HTC announced some tablet or music player - to compete on different market and reduce it's losses in case of android market collapse. Nowadays HTC has android based phones in all price categories, so it's really irrational to announce same crap which stinks different:D
[Legend General] ananthm2k5:
You clearly don't know what you are talking about. Perhaps Google can help you.
[Legend General] rajasyaitan:
A purist will be a purist. A phonemaker makes phones, not music player.
[Legend General] jorgesalvador:
What you seem to ignore is the fact that HTC is building lots of similar phones for the same features-price, creating a huge fragmentation in their own market.

High end: Desire HD, Desire Z, EVO, Droid Incredible, Desire, Nexus One, G2, etc

Medium: Legend, Aria, Eris, etc

Low end: Wildfire, Tattoo, Hero, Magic (My Touch), etc

And it's painfully clear that they just can't keep up offering support for their phones released six months ago. They just put the latest on the ones they poop every month and more or less forget of the rest. With a slightly more focused product line, as you point out focused *in phones*, everyone would be much more happy.

HTC alone is contributing lots to the fragmentation of the Android platform.

Oh and BTW, Gingerbread announcement is just around the corner and the Legend still waiting for the Froyo update ... pathetic really.
[Legend General] Sckank:
I must agree :-\ Still HTCs build quality are excellent, and most of the HTC users that wants the updates are advanced users and most will root and get the latest update the quickest way possible anyway.
[Legend General] g0dshead:
Jorge I totaly agree with you , but the way i see it is , kids these days really dont care about the updates or even functionality of their phones (cept maybe the importance of their mega pixel count)

They want the lastest phone they can show of to their friends . It's basicly become a status symbol for the youth to make sure they got the latest market ranged phone to impress their daily inviorment , and so they close a subscription after another getting the latest phone there is . I know of some kids (16/19 years old) that get like a new cell every 2 to 3 months it's rather silly as they get themselves into debt . As long as the kids keep doing this manufacturers wont bother much as sales are sky rocketing. I have yet to find a teen that even knows of existence of roms/android(dev) forums/or even show the slightest of interest in update's.

Maybe it's just the people i know but thats how i see it at the moment.

I basicly have all the phones i ever bought , and they all still work (bit damaged)

Where as they tend to brake them in a couple of months.
[Legend General] Gaillimh_Abú28:
Well thats about to change! I'm 15, and i'm trying to root, but failing!!:D
[Legend General] bullchicken:
When I was 15 I was desperately trying to root as well...
[Legend General] TheGrammarFreak:
I'm 17.

Swyped from my HTC Legend
[Legend General] whitetigerdk:
wow.. Lets make an old boys team ;-) I'm 33..
[Legend General] norashers:
Haha, this reminds me when I used to play TFC and UT; our clan's practice matches were young guns versus old farts, under 25s v over 25s (ish). I was 15 then, old fart now!
[Legend General] TheGrammarFreak:
Woo! Detailed thread! How many here are still under 20?

Swyped from my HTC Legend
[Legend General] whitetigerdk:
Grammar are you planning on making a kids play corner?? ;-)
[Legend General] TheGrammarFreak:
So what if I am? Lol. ;)

Swyped from my HTC Legend
[Legend General] whitetigerdk:
Cool.. I'll get you some toys ;-)
[Legend General] ananthm2k5:
Sounds like the thread is getting interesting :)

Screw Froyo... I'm 18
[Legend General] justcookiesncream:
whitetigerdk , we could get some viagra for the oldfarts' corner too;)
[Legend General] ishan_rulz:
You people should stop stereotyping Teenagers.

I'm 17 and I'm on a rooted HTC Legend which is OC'd to 787Mhz

Even though this is my first post, my Join Date was May '08. Learned a lot since then! xD
[Legend General] kazzaz:
i'm 23 ::D
[Legend General] whitetigerdk:
I'm gonna mock teenagers until the day FroYo is released for our phone ;-)
[Legend General] TheGrammarFreak:
Meh, we'll just block you out with our mp3 players...

Swyped from my HTC Legend
[Legend General] rajasyaitan:
What a lot of people don't understand is that this is all purely business to them. End-users like us surely do care about the latest update but do you really think that their board of directors or ceo even care? I think not. If the Legend will be getting Froyo then it'll get it. A bridge cannot be completed overnight, safety measures and a lot of stuff needs to be put into consideration. Same goes for os, if thay release something that might break your phone, they'll be shooting their own legs.
[Legend General] kid1988:
Don't know if anybody posted this, so I post again. (edit, ah I see someone posted it on page 3 or 4 or summit)

http://twitter.com/markmoons/status/25863126905

Begrijp dat we om geduld vragen, maar er wordt nog steeds gewerkt aan 2.2 op Legend. Testing momenteel in volle gang.

translation:

I understand we're testing your patience, but we're still working on froyo for HTC Legend. Currently testing is under way.

which probably meant that it was going to take at least another month. This was posted on september 29. So any time soon... but since we've been saying that for months now, don't count on it to arrive before nov 1st.
[Legend General] ishan_rulz:
I think they will release 2.2 when Legend 'Phantom Black' hits the market shipped with 2.2.
[Legend General] kid1988:
sounds plausible... but when will they release the phantom black?
[Legend General] ishan_rulz:
From what I have read, end of October.
[Legend General] kid1988:
errr... it IS end of october... so basically any day from now right?

but FOTA has to be rolled out by providers so that will take a few days....

nov 1st I hope..:-)

god I hate speculation.
[Legend General] taleboblen:
Just heard from HTC Denmark.... the dont know **** about 2.2 for Legend.... :S
[Legend General] tnakir:
I believe that was the wrong question. You should have asked them when will the Phantom Black be out.

I believe the froyo will be out around the relase date of phantom black. But, as they care only about W7 phones now I don't think that'd be that soon.
[Legend General] CrazyPeter:
They were forced into making Win7 phones by Microsoft, who blackmailed them with threats of sueing them over Android patent infringements.

I just wish people would wake up to how corrupt Microsoft are, their business tactics would be illegal in most developed countries, they seem to be untouchable in the US, with the government scared of them.
[Legend General] dubart:
You really think Apple or Google is any 'better'?
[Legend General] raf2k:
Indeed.

Its alla about the money.
[Legend General] ananthm2k5:
I think Apple is better .. their customer service has been impeccable in my 5 years of iMac and 7 years of iPod experience ... not the case with Microsoft ... can't talk about google as they don't have any direct customers ( unless you count people who bought the nexus one ) ...
[Legend General] TheLegendaryJay:
lolz what a load of hogwash :rolleyes:

MS operate in 99.9% of the countries around the world and the majority of them are developed countries. The US government are definitely not scared of MS, and neither are the EU countries.

Conspiracy theorists - They make me laugh.
[Legend General] TheLegendaryJay:
You may want to tell that to my boss who is waiting for his iphone4, the only reason he got it is because his 3GS broke, they sent a replacement 3GS which didn't vibrate so screamed at the poor bloke on the other end of the telephone for an hour until they caved and sent him a iphone 4.

The reason he screamed at them is because they told him he'll have to drive 2 hours to the closest Apple store to get the replacement phone replaced AGAIN or wait for yet another exchange which would take up to 10 days and leave him £500 (deposit they take on exchanging phones) short until the exchange had taken place and cleared on their systems. They were not willing to pay for his fuel & time either.

He regularly screams at suppliers who have shafted us/him and get's his own way eventually - this shouldn't happen with 'good' customer service.

Remember MS make the OS not the hardware, and have no direct customers - only OEM partners who you should call for help. It is up to the OEM/Retailer's to provide you with help.
[Legend General] justcookiesncream:
facebook.com/topic.php?uid=101063233083&topic=13628#topic_top

Last page:D
[Legend General] Asovse1:
I bet it isn't gonna come. :D
[Legend General] Gaillimh_Abú28:
Im rooted, using SuperFroyo and Overclocked to 787MHz...I don't think ill ever go back to the the RUU's:D
[Legend General] znz:
The Phantom Black HTC Legend has arrived on stores today in the Netherlands. And yes, it's running Froyo.
[Legend General] Chaotick:
But not the New Sense??

So that kind of drops the theory that when the black Legend is out it will recieve froyo 2.2 huh ???
[Legend General] jorgesalvador:
If that's so, I cannot understand why the original HTC Legend doesn't have the update yet...
[Legend General] janarp:
I don't understand HTC say they have to test froyo for legend but there is nothing to test... they already realised black legend with froyo... :s maby we have just wait few days or week... but if they don't give us froyo then I hope someone upload official froyo from black legend to us...

Sry my sh*t English :)
[Legend General] Chaotick:
janarp => Hope your right :)
[Legend General] homi3kh:
HTC really pissed me off on this ****ty...
[Legend General] janarp:
Hope is all what we have... :)
[Legend General] JonasDroid:
Is there actually still anyone still running the stock rom? :p

I believe most of the people here are rooted and running 2.2 already so there is only a small group who could notice a FOTA
[Legend General] BlaY0:
I'm running stock.
[Legend General] acid74:
No FOTA update ...(Norway)
[Legend General] krasenk:
http://www.pdashop.nl/product/102087/category-4214-smartphones-pda-s/htc-legend-phantom-black.html

OK, so we are waiting for a system image from the black Legend. Is there anyone in the Netherlands already purchased it? :confused: :D
[Legend General] whitetigerdk:
just got a reply from HTC Denmark today where I asked for an eta on black Legend. They wrote that it is expected on November 16th. They also wrote that they expect it to be running 2.1 since 2.2 was not ready yet.. Yes they did write "YET"..
[Legend General] krasenk:
I think that the person who answered to you is an idiot for sure! The black Legend released in the Netherlands is already running Android 2.2 :cool:

That is translated from Dutch using Google translate.
[Legend General] CrazyPeter:
Naive people make me laugh...

Do you think this deal was really just about royalties?

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2010/apr10/04-27mshtcpr.mspx

They only offered this deal to HTC, as HTC have the capability of making phones under contract for others. Deals were not offered to others like Motorola.

In other words, "HTC make us Win7 phones, or we will sue you for infringing our patents by making Android handsets"....

Microsoft are one of the most corrupt companies around, they are constantly in trouble with the EU over it's dodgy business practices that basically involve doing whatever they need to crush any competition at ANY cost. Look at the way they have bullied their way into the gaming market, not by making great hardware and innovative games, but by buying gaming magazine bias through advertising budgets, buying time limited exclusivity with software houses and obscene advertising budgets (Half a BILLION dollars to push Win7 phones and half a BILLION to push that Kinect trash).
[Legend General] nevak:
Source?

No FOTA for Spain either.
[Legend General] Chaotick:
The best way to solve this is for someone to buy/examine that new black Legend and fully confirm that it's the case with Froyo. In Poland the expected date of Black Legend arrival is set somewhere in november.
[Legend General] BlaY0:
Yes, but how would one get system off that new Legend? U have to have root access to be able to backup the whole system and boot partition.
[Legend General] taleboblen:
HTC Denmark say they know nothing of 2.2 for Legend :S
[Legend General] CrWEE:
Yeah, that's called capitalism. Welcome to the real world man...

Now back to froyo.
[Legend General] nickggr:
Unfortunately I was tired of waiting for Froyo and (since the internal memory on my Legend is full and can't install more apps) I switched temporarily to my iPhone till they release Froyo for Legend.

It means "an official statement from HTC said that Froyo for Desire, Legend and Wildfire would be available from this month".

But I don't think that we can trust it. How can we trust a statement saying that Froyo for Desire will be available from this month, when it is already available since July? Something is wrong with their statements...
[Legend General] eddie66:
still waiting......................
[Legend General] evank418:
now it's just a race between the release of froyo for legend and desire HD for me. quite frankly, it's just not worth all this wait. let's just hope desire HD has dual core.
[Legend General] kdma:
i was thinking the same
[Legend General] acid74:
And that's exactly what HTC wants you to do...
[Legend General] kdma:
and also this.HTC marketing policy sucks they make a new model every month and then they just abandon it.The market need some competition on android.I gotta see what samsung is up to.
[Legend General] nolook:
they want you to buy a dual core cpu phone but in reality all i want is the legend (or similar) with the latest OS
[Legend General] znz:
According to a German mobile news publisher BestBoyz, it's coming in December 2010.

I don't know what to believe anymore. :-( Everyone seems to pick some random months.
[Legend General] AllWin:
...

Damn guys, i don't get you. Some time ago i used to exactly the same posts when *everyone* was waiting for Android 2.1 for HTC Hero... Like someone said before, HTC gave us everything what was advertised, what else do you want? Eclair isn't fast and stable for you? It has some compatibility issues? Yes, Froyo will bring some new features, BUT WHEN YOU BOUGHT THAT PHONE, you even had no clue about them.

Cool, ask them to release phones iN the same way as Apple does. Try to remember changes between 2g/3g/3gs. Yeah, iForgot the iPhone4, sorry. iT has some changes iF compared to previOus ones - there's no siGnal and a liTtle biT iMproved desiGn.

Go for it, i hope you won't be THAT sorry as i was.

Are you sure that they will pimp Desire HD with dual core CPU?
[Legend General] Corra:
If you buy a quite expensive graphics card that works with Windows xp, you expect the manufacturer to make windows7 drivers even if not directly specified on package, if it hasn't already ended his lifecycle. If you can't update it to the latest versione after a few months it was released you would certainly complain. So what's the matter? Yes, I paid this phone 400€ (equals 509$) so YES, I PRETEND SOME SUPPORT FROM THEM
[Legend General] Chaotick:
Corra => As did I and many others who bought Legend unlocked ver.

The phone was released THIS year and the Froyo update was said to be released this year 3rdQ. As the 3rd Q is not over yet all you have to do now (IMHO) is wait ....not just to wait and complain BUT JUST wait.

I check the HTC site this and other android news forums once or twice a week but I won't let a simple update ruin my whole phone experiance.....Do not imply that HTC is rubbish because the update was not realesed fast enough...Personally I don;'t know anything about creating such rom update but I can imagine this as a painful process with ups and downs.
[Legend General] Corra:
I'm not complaining, I'll do if they don't release it by this month
[Legend General] kleutscher:
Htc never said they are releasing froyo in the 3rdQ they said "STARTING" to release froyo for desire legend wildfire 3rdQ. Starting means that it also could be released in 4thQ or 1stQ etc. So just wait.

Some articles say that legend is not able to run froyo. The development forum shows it can. Even my htc Polaris runs it smooth and that is really an old phone.

If you want froyo root your phone.
[Legend General] orouborus:
let us just try to wait for it everyone. september is still al ong way to go. :D i do check for updates everyday though. as for me, im going to stop buying phones. they release phones extremely fast now a days. i would buy maybe next june if windows phone 7 is ok and if its true that htc will make their own os. :D anyway, let us just wait and see.
[Legend General] AllWin:
I'd like to see your face when Android 3.0 is out :D

+1. Those who really want Froyo, are already using it :rolleyes:

w00t? Where did you hear that? I hope this is a very successful prank from iPhone fanboys... Anyway, HTC Desire HD 2 (or whatever it's name is) will be runing Android 2.2 and i'm happy with that.
[Legend General] maxonite:
People need to take a chill pill and just give them some time to get it right. Just be glad you didn't buy a Sony that stick release phones running 1.6!! That is something to complain about.

Having said all that.... I am still hopeful we will see something this month.
[Legend General] jorgesalvador:
This is not the point at all, you could say that those who really hate Apple policies on the app store, have already jailbroke their iPhones.

Android 2.2 was already announced and widely known by the time the HTC Legend device was *announced*, not to mention when it launched...

I understand HTC is totally on their rights to leave the phone as they leave the factory, as long as they work (and the Legend does work nicely I must say). My problem with them is the misinformation, there are a LOT of vagues references on the device being updated by a number of sources, but never something a bit concrete.

I never had an iPhone, but I'm now on my second iPod Touch and I like the fact that when an update is announced for the device, the day is released is the day I install it.

For Android phones, the process is all a big ugly mess.
[Legend General] sronweb:
Hello', I'm waiting froyo too and I think positive so it should be available soon for the legend.

I got the legend recently so I have some concern about your advice:

ok. I can root the phone but then I will loose the warranty in case of problem?

If I install froyo is it difficult to restore original conditions?

Many thanks
[Legend General] JonasDroid:
That's not true, I want froyo and have rooted but I use the FM radio all the time so I can't miss it. For the moment there isn't a rom with working FM radio and android 2.2. And I don't like the grey android look of those roms.
[Legend General] pjhoughton1976:
Whats annoying me is whenever a problem is reported to HTC there stock answer is the problem is resolved in Froyo, so they have no intention of fixing the problem in android 2.1 ( and I dont blame them really) but if thats the line they are taking they should release Froyo for the Legend and every other phone as soon as possible
[Legend General] zabaknilesh:
I will not believe about 2.2 on legend till I see it myself on you tube or a user who has actually buyed this....
[Legend General] Exanimus:
I contacted HTC earlier today and asked them about release date for Htc Desire Z and also asked about froyo for legend.. and as usual they had no answers....
[Legend General] rajasyaitan:
Lol. They're really testing our patience.
[Legend General] Bravounet:
Bad news from Belgium, guys... (or France, actually)

the Legend Black Phantom can be ordered, but the specs are "Android 2.1", ...

Let's hope it's a mistake from the seller,... But somehow I don't believe it is... :(
[Legend General] randy_khoo:
I might go back to stock ROM just to use flash player once 2.2 is out.

I've got the correct RUU 2.1 versions.. hehehe
[Legend General] ebaak:
HAHA

i think we can all acknowledge that there is something seriously wrong going on with HTC. By the time they release froyo, gingerbread will be out there. so most of us would have flashed gingerbread. And its almost definite that we won't be seeing beyond froyo.

All this doesnt really annoy me since most of us know that to make the most of our legends we need to get rid of stock android. But the thing that i really cannot understand is that HTC customer support has not even confirmed froyo coming (at least when i contact them)

I tell u: something is going wrong. hope we find out soon

:cool:
[Legend General] Chaotick:
I wrote to HTC Poland once again on the topic.Awaiting reply.
[Legend General] TheLegendaryJay:
That's called business, do you expect them not to do what it takes to be at the top? Whose the naive one here now? :rolleyes: Anyway, back on topic...

Our Lord and master has spoken!

http://twitter.com/#!/markmoons

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