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[Windows Phone 7 General] NoWorthWhile:
I am amazed how people in this forum are not happy with the new direction WP7 is taking... Let me explain why.

While I love doing everything the OP has stated, I love doing it on my desktop/laptop because I find a use for it. I feel the need to customize and tweak the OS to fill my needs for some things, ie: task automation, background activites without me having to do anything, skins and so on and so forth.

While I did this on my TP2 as well, i slowly get bored of this for two reasons: 1°) the phone will never have the kind of power to do all of this without slowing in day to day use, which my TP2 does and my Diamond before that, and 2°) The phone is designed for a) call/text, b) access all my services seamlessly (Zune and Windows Live are my first priorities).

In 2010, people want access to services. They don't want to go into a registry. I mean, wtf should i go and edit something in HEX, or DWord or whatever in 2010? To gain something that will make my system unstable? No, users want seemless services, accessible from everywhere, and that is something that WP7 provides.

I feel that, if I have to do some editing of the OS, then I shouldn't have to spend 600 euros and the phone. At that price, the phone is supposed to have a top notch performance, which, when you half bake a OS just like WM 6.x, is not present.

Consumers need a phone that works. And the iPhone-clone as everyone here not open minded enough to see that calls it is a great opportunity for those who like the concept of the iPhone but do not like the Phone or the company itself.

WP7 is a paradigm shift. And as Kuhn said, the world needs paradigm shifts in order to progress. This is one of these shifts that the iPhone started, the Android continued and that WP7 will end.

It's a great era for the consumer. Open your mind.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
And I say - it's bull****. Complete.

I agree the OS has to work, sure. That's why developers should work hard to bring the possibilites to the user, not cut them because it's difficult.

I agree that I should not be forced to tweak any registry when I don't need to and I should be able to seamlessly use a device without bigger effort.

However I disagree with making people idiots.

And why the hell you tell me what I should do with the device?

Wake up. Pocket devices are the future. I don't see a ****ing reason why after 10 years of development suddenly many options are OUT. There's no reason to take away the features just because of UI change.

But the biggest bull**** you say is with "it just works"...

If I can compose an email, but cannot add many different attachements to it because of system limitation, IT DOESN'T ****ING WORK at all!!!

It doesn't "just works". It does things Microsoft imagined I want to do, instead of leaving me more options. There are many simple task which simply "it just doesn't work"
[Windows Phone 7 General] NoWorthWhile:
I am in NO way trying to tell you what you should or shouldn't do with your device. I'm merely asking you what the hell you are doing with a small size device that requires THAT amount of customisation/tweaking.

Yes, it does just work. If you need to write a freaking novel on your phone, then sorry, but something's wrong in your head.

Tell me what do you want that WP7 can't do? Heavy text editing? You've got your PC for that. A phone is a phone, NOT a pc. What you need is a Tablet/Slate with Data service.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Opinions like that are the most destructive **** in this world.

There's rather something wrong in your head, and you exactly try to judge what I should do with my device - again. And you tell me what I need. Bravo.

Maybe you don't have need to do much with your phone but that's your choice.

People use devices in extensive way for decade, wake up. Why the hell should I be like you?!

I was able to do everything I want last 10 years, so I just want to continue like that.
[Windows Phone 7 General] NoWorthWhile:
In what way is that destructive? Change is good, and in this case, you've also got the choice of what to buy (or not buy). You seem unhappy with WP7 for reasons of your own, and I respect that, but what IS destructive is what you are doing right now: denying evolution.

Let me give you one example:

http://www.ted.com/talks/john_under...urce=direct-on.ted.com&utm_content=site-basic

It's still far away in the future, but I'm guessing (guessing, not stating) that it wont likely be as customizable as Windows 7, or say, XP. Will THAT be a bad thing? It WILL eventually change the way we interact with PCs. No more folders, no more registrys, no more freaking .sys .bat. dll files, but instead, content. Videos, Music, Documents, Websites, and so on so forth. Is THAT a bad thing?

I am in no way telling you to be like me, that's the point of humans, we are all different. But I can twist the matter in any way possible, for me, my cellphone is a CONSUMPTION device. Not a device that is meant for creation. And that is limited by the physical form factor of the device. No OS, good or bad, old or new will ever be able to achieve the level of usability you seek to achieve. If WM 6.x seems the choice for you, then stick with it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gtrab:
OK, after reading every comment, well...

You talk "smart phone"

I dreaam "pocket PC" (read it again: a PC that fits in my pocket)

If I "just" wanted a smart phone that really works, I would have got the iPhone ages ago, but I AM DIFFERENT, I am not the standard joe looking for a phone that makes phones calls and can tweet, NO !!

I need to carry my PC on my pocket (or at least a mirror of my PC) !!

But I am learnig that is NOT happening... Santa didn't hear my WP7 wishes...

Then,

May HTML5 save us from "mobile versions" of web pages

and May Moore's Law put a full Win7 PC on my pocket in the near future !!

PS: DO YOU guys really think omitting cut/paste from their new mobile OS is really EVOLUTION ??

Isn't it going BACKWARDS ??

Tech Inquisition ?? (stick with what we offer you, don't dream different things)

What's next ??

Will I have to pray a savior god and pay a monthly portion of my incomes for my phone too ??
[Windows Phone 7 General] NoWorthWhile:
Now I get what you really want. Then, by all means, I apologize.

But, yeah, as I already told you, the closest thing to what you want is either Winmo 6.5, or a 7 inch Archos with Win7 on it...

To answer to your PS: Yes, omitting copy/paste and multitasking is a mistake, but I trust MS to bring it along down the road someday. As I rarely ever use copy/paste I don't really care, but I care most about Multitasking.

And my own PS: I'm not an average Joe either, I always hate the iPhone not for the device itself, but for the ecosystem behind it, because let's face it, that's where the pocket devices are headed to: the center of an ecosystem.

EDIT:

It already happened: the god is Steve Jobs, and you pay a Data Plan every month [Humour]

Also, I realize I answered to the wrong person xD
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
iPhone can do much more than that. As I took a temporary trip to the dark side and use an iPhone now I want WP7 more and more each day because MS seem to tackle some of the most annoying problems with this device - WP7 has a much better mail client, a much more useful calendar and non-intrusive notifications, things that piss me off every day on the iPhone. The hadware Back button is also sorely missing on Jesus Phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gom99:
MSDOS was much less arcane than Windows 95 ie it was fairly easy to see and understand what was being loaded at startup. That's what I was referring to.

I don't get what you mean by this...wasn't win95 the integration of MSDOS & Windows Line? What was I supposed to be using? Windows 3.1 more of a GUI on top of DOS. I only loaded windows if I wanted to run a program in windows.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Yes, evolution! I love evolution!

That's why WP7 UI paradigm appeals to me!

That's why after many years bricky phones with phonebook and tiny monochromatic screens were replaced by multi functionality devices

with colour touchscreens, cameras and also many COMPUTER functions!

With operating systems inside! Why? Do give MORE functionality!!!!

Evolution means MORE and BETTER.

If you take away functionality for UCLEAR reasons it's a step back!

They do it for the policy. Removing normal file access is rubbish and limiting the user

without any real functionality reasons.

By the way I was never limited by the phone's form factor.

And instead of dragging everywhere ****ing laptop I have all in my pocket, ready!

And your arguments are not credible for me.

And Apple were saying the same, just to bring everything BACK, making big Bang! with it.

You say it's just a phone yet all WP7 devices actually CONTAIN all the applications which make it almost pocket PC. Just apps itself are limited.

Bull****. It's just a policy.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
So, in your opinion, what is the reason for this policy? Insanity? Uncontrollable desire to copy everything Apple does, as some people love to suggest? Or maybe there is something they found worth considering?
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Policy?

Keep their OS locked so less people have any access to it?

Make a devices unified in UI so they reach a brand feel on the phones regardless of producer?

Control the stability in processes which are much harder to control?

Prevent unauthorized copying?

Differentiate phone and PC so the user is somehow forced to have both devices?

I could probably find more...

As for Apple: well, no - blind copying no. But copying some things definitely yes.

Of course they have many innovative ideas and I think it has big chance, considering it is really modern and offers great new UI paradigm.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gom99:
What sense does that make? That's Apple's self defeating strategy. MS is the opposite, any manufacturer can use wp7 if they pay the licensing...so many more people will have access to it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gtrab:
Back in track (and spicying up a little :D):

Considering my primary goal (a full mobile PC), my first access to an Android phone was *very* dissapointing because the phone (a mozzarella minestrone) didn't have a file explorer or a word / excel editing app preloaded !!

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[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Ahem, so you tell me WP7 is open source?!

I think Microsoft just took similar self defeating route, time will tell if I'm wrong.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
But you can have it ALL on 3rd party software.

On WP7 no file access.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gom99:
It wasn't really clear that's what you meant when you made that statement.

Apple's self defeating route is that they want to control everything...all the hardware, the software, what's even capable of being on the device. And they try their hardest to lock you into Apple technologies. Microsoft just wants to get their software into the hands of many hardware manufacturers they can. It's a very different plan.

Google has the same goal, but they have different business models. Google wants people to use their products so they can better target ads at people. So they make their products free so they can track the habits of people for better targetted marketing. MS has the "old school" method. You pay for the product you want to buy. Personally I like this method the best. It's not as constricting as apple's "central planning" and it's not open to the ethical arguements like Google's model.
[Windows Phone 7 General] eknutson:
I agree with most of what you're saying. However I would add a small point: I think Microsoft has it's own ethical issues as well. Google's, however, is mainly one of privacy.

My expectations on premium cable services is that they are add-free. This is why I like the idea of paying for software instead of being used for income (and potentially at the expense of my privacy as well).
[Windows Phone 7 General] gtrab:
You convinced me with that statement.

This is like gods word:

No file access on WP7 means I have to give Android a more in depth check

AMEN

Now the second Q emerges: "which" phone ??

I'll have to pay a little more attention to android phones.

My only requirement will be hard keyboard.

I'll start checking specs and pick a test mule.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Actually, windows CE is what they call Shared Source. OEMs do get access to a lot of code.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
HTC Desire? Motorola Droid 2? SE X10?

I'm looking really at beautiful HTC TMobile G2.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Nice. But can't do much on the device anyway...
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Which is the best news as far as I'm concerned.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Regarding the whole UI maybe yes. I'm really encouraged by the look of WP7.

However as for homescreen - it's bad. Because all those hubs/panels colours are a bit tacky.

I want grey and just cannot have it.

And tiles are a bit too straightforward for me.

Anyway everything is a part of the future.

Maybe Microsoft business model is OK but for me what really matters is device.

I hardly imagine living with the device on the iPhone 1 level.

Because essentially that's how it is.

Besides Office. **** the games.

I'm saying part of their work is to "forget" profi users.

Maybe not intended but essentially looks like that.

I think maaaany users will switch to Android. And it's not good.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Many will get Android. I'm tired of crapware though, and I certainly know people who are sorry about going the Android route. We'll see.

As regards professional users, I'm not sure what you mean by that. I use my phone for work, and iPhone is much better for this purpose than at least pre-2.2 Android. The damned thing couldn't even sync Exchange calendar, and OEM solutions for the missing parts are often pure crap.

As far as tiles are concerned, they are just placeholders, and I like them as such. I'm also sure that adding accent color won't be a big problem for a power user.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
What do I mean?

Things I mentioned: cannot add many different attachements to one email.

Cannot even SELECT desired fragment of text in sms to delete it, you can just select word by word as demoed on latest video. For me it's totally unprofessional.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Yes, those are true concerns, but I'll take that over Android's unability to accept an appointment request sent in an email from Outlook.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
^ really? I guess Companionlink doesn't exist?
[Windows Phone 7 General] chizzwhizz:
File Explorer

With WP7, the inclusion of a file explorer isn't neccessary for most users.

On WM 6.X, most people used file explorer because the OS was very flawed in terms of ways to access files you want. Examples

- To view a picture, I would have to go to pictures/ video or album and scroll through everything in order to find the picture that I want...With file explorer I could just find the filename on my sd card and it would appear

- To watch a movie, I would have to open up Coreplayer or Windows Media, do file open and find the movie I want to watch...With file explorer, I know where the file is on my sd card so i can just go straight to it.

- To install games, the only way was to go through file exp. and manually install the cab files because MarketPlace was atrocious.

Enter WP7

-To view a pictures we now have the pictures hub...works same way as a file explorer without being called file explorer. You know exactly where your picture is and you go open it...its even easier to scroll through pictures now and we can zoom in and out

- To play movies we now have a media hub...again works the same way a file explorer works. Your media is centralized to one location for easy access...no longer have to file open or all that other crap

- For games, you have a games hub where all your games are placed in one location...no need to go to file explorer and create a games folder for your start menu, then transfer all your game shortcuts to that folder...THEY ARE ALL ALREADY THERE...and with what looks to be a much better Marketplace, the same goes for Apps as well.

With WP7, everything that most everyone needs is made much easier to access through hubs...in a way you still have your damn file explorer (i love file explorer on wm 6.5.5) its just named something else, but ultimately serves the same purpose which is to help you organize your phone's content and easily get to things because you know where they are located.

Now if WP7 comes out and sucks then we will all have grounds for complaint because most of us are power users from the early windows days till now...but right now we should be hoping that WP7 is a success because all the 3rd party apps and many better ones will eventually be developed if all goes well.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
^BS, with file explorer I can go directly to the photo without having to wait on the phone or network to load.

With file explorer I can do what I want without having to go through anything.

You are talking to power users here, not grandma
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
vetvito is right. It's bull**** mate.

And to add something, NOW I own WM6.5.3 device which has ALL the freaking media

organized in one place: videos, games, photo, music, plus calls sms and email.

Without ANYextra move from my side. Null. I just open my SlideView on my SE X2 and all is there.

It's no MAGIC! It's just an app which recognizes files and puts them in the right place. No magic here :confused: :eek:

And on WP7 I cannot collectively attach or delete files or just communicate easily with the PC. And my "stupid" WP7 device won't even save a file which is not correctly recognized by the device, because there's no file explorer.

For "dumbs" going from primitive phones that may be nice.

But for any USER of the device these shortcomings are disaster.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Isn't Companionlink software to sync data via USB? What does it have to do with accepting appointment requests in email?
[Windows Phone 7 General] chizzwhizz:
I said for most users...I recognize the importance of a file explorer (its one of my softkeys on my TP2) but that will come if WP7 succeeds. I'm just saying that we power users are a small percent of the smartphone market now. Thanks to the Iphone, people just want apps and games, cool text messaging bubbles, and a phone that well behaves as a phone should. Microsoft has to capitalize on this from a business standpoint if they want to compete against Android and iOS, not saying that this is right...because power users are left behind. But just like iOS was jailbroken, the same may be possible with WP7

Then we'd have a tremendous and powerful phone with all the bell and whistles that we consider a must have.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gtrab:
WP7:

- No file access :mad:

- No Multitasking :confused:

- No cut/paste :eek:

I'm forced to go Android

As I stated before, my only Q now is WHICH PHONE (???)

Android phone with a Keyboard, Moto Droid 2 world edition or HTC Desire Z ???

But that's another thread :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
HTC Desire Z!!!!!!!!!!
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Off topic, but did you see the boot time(1:25) on that beast?!!
[Windows Phone 7 General] gtrab:
I made an in depth research and posted a quick comparison between the Desire Z and the Droid 2 WE (world edition)

Wanna take a look ??

Beware: the results surprised me

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=8163100

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[Windows Phone 7 General] gerryjoson:
Finger friendliness, huge text and menus killed the desktop experience on pocket devices imo, a stylus is the best thing to emulate a mouse cursor, and a finger is too big unless everything is increased in size 10 times, meaning it's no longer a desktop like experience.

The desire Z looks good though, if I end up giving android a go, a hardware keyboard would surely lessen the loss of screen real estate on finger swiper OSes, not sure what the direction pad brings to android, anybody?
[Windows Phone 7 General] pimpdaddyjames:
I think wm7 is a big progress, it supports most of the newer technology and has de social media intergrated. People arent looking for customization but for functionality of different connected services on the internet.
[Windows Phone 7 General] freak4dell:
I really hope XDA is able to hack the hell out of WP7. The main reason I love WM is because it behaves like a mini computer.

I think I'll be moving to BB or Android soon, unless the people here can quickly bring copy/paste and file system access back to WP7.

To be honest, I just want new hardware. The software I currently have is perfectly fine (WM 6.1).
[Windows Phone 7 General] TeresaTT:
I just can't help but feel dismayed and very dissapointed about everything I'm reading about WP7. To my me device has always been a pocket PC first and mobile phone second. In fact, until my Touch HD, for several years I owned pocket PC only devices. I treat my device as an extension of my desktop PC. I synchronise a whole variety of data including Microsoft Access databases, Quicken data and ListPro data. I also have TomTom installed for navigation while driving and Memory Map so that I can use ordinance survey maps while out walking in the country side. I also read many books and occasionally play games. I love having almost my entire photo collection on my memory card so that if the mood takes me I can look at photos from years ago. I also enjoy watching video clips on my kids. Now that I have a Touch HD I can even call my friends and text them. All from one single, tiny device.

Now I'm at a loss as to what I will do when my Touch HD comes to the end of it's life. It looks like I will lose too many feature if I go to WP7. I've looked at Android and again, I would lose many of the features I currently enjoy. I know that almost any communication and media need that I have will be beautifully taken care of but I won't be able to extend much of my desktop data onto my phone.

There used to be quite a range of Pocket PCs available and although they were never mainstream there seemed to be a market for them. It's a shame that us power users are being left out. It just feels like such a backward step to me.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
That's what I'm talking about, I have the same.

I look for Android and HTC Desire Z, it has almost perfect form factor,

but I will also observe how WP7 will evolve.

Because I still imagine Microsoft thinking of power usage at some point.

I have "bitter" feelings because UI and the OS concept of WP7 is promising and encouraging

besides some lacks the best looking and the most unified UI, without unnecessary graphic massacre and with great consistency and simplicity.

But so many limitations.

For now I will probably spend another half a year with WM 6.5.3 which should be still supported (marketplace, myphone.......)
[Windows Phone 7 General] gtrab:
More sad news are leaking:

WP7 will be "GSM only" during the first year

http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/16/...f-of-20?icid=sphere_blogsmith_inpage_engadget

So the list is growing:

WINDOWS PHONE 7

- No multitasking :confused:

- No cut/paste :eek:

- No file access :mad:

- No CDMA or 4G (GSM only) :o

No WP7 for me, C U in one year or so, SP2 or SP3 maybe

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[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Why did you decide there would be no 3G speed? That "GSM only" means no CDMA. UMTS, HSDPA, HSUPA and all the 3G goodies from the GSM world are there.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gtrab:
Thanks for pointing out

Editing