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[G2 and Desire Z General] setspeed:
Desire HD also gets 768MB RAM as well as the better processor.

The Desire Z is starting to look less and less attractive now. The HD truly has specs of "the phone of tomorrow", while Desire Z looks like the weedy, little brother - oh, but it has a keyboard, so it's ok for HTC to gimp the specs!!

I am actually annoyed now. I wanted the Z so bad, and now I feel like it's like HTC are just throwing me some crumbs because I'd like a keyboard, while all their best stuff goes into the HD.

I don't understand why keyboard-lovers are discriminated against like this. I understand that it costs more to produce a phone with a keyboard, and I would be willing to pay that premium - I would pay easily another £100 on top of the Desire HD price for a Desire Z with the same internals as the HD.
[G2 and Desire Z General] skulk3r:
having looked at that video, I can say that that phone looks gorgeous..the build quality and refinement look absolutely amazing. the specs are a disappointing, but to be honest, i imagine that a lot of people here on xda will be picking this up as their G-1 replacement. the UI looked snappy and responsive...the hinge mechanism looked amazing.

things that turn me off about the Desire HD:

1. It's too massive

2. No keyboard

3. No sex

things that turn me off about the Desire Z:

1. Lower spec processor

Having less onboard memory isn't too big a deal for me as memory cards more than fix that...and the 5MP camera is okay too since I can't imagine an 8MP phone camera using that tiny pinhole as being much better than a 5MP. Both do 720P recording and the Milestone 2 is only 5MP too (and I'm comparing against that).

Do I wish the Desire Z was more future-proofed? Yes. Did I expect it to be technologically top-of-the-pile? No. Do I think that I will be happy with it? Yes.
[G2 and Desire Z General] setspeed:
Do I wish the Desire Z was more future-proofed?

Yes, because it'll take HTC at least 18-24mths before they release anything close to a top-end qwerty again.

Did I expect it to be technologically at the top of the pile?

Sadly, I hoped it would be for reasons above

Do I think I will be happy with it?

Yes, for a while, until (just like my Dream) it becomes apparent it doesn't have the horsepower anymore and I'm stuck with choice of limping along with it, or choosing a touch-only model to tide me over (and grow to hate), until HTC deems keyboard-fans worthy of another lack-lustre upgrade.

We shouldn't make excuses for it - we ARE being discriminated against, and I'm free to moan about it! Erm, where's the queue to buy the Z, please? ;)
[G2 and Desire Z General] skulk3r:
let me know when you find that line, because I'll probably be complaining about the lack of specs on this phone all the way up to the point I hold the Z, hug, caress it, kiss and love it all the way home. :p

to be honest...as disappointing as I know the performance will be in 18 months time (just look how quickly the Touch HD was obsoleted)...at least when new HTC phones come out I can go, "faster? yes. but does it have a keyboard? NO! I still have the latest and greatest....sort of..."
[G2 and Desire Z General] Arcadia310:
Guys you have to get over this specs issue. The phone will not be slow, this video speaks for itself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpWPMens9C8

The Desire HD has the 1ghz because it wouldn't run smoothly without it. A screen that big requires more processing power. The new MSM7230 chip runs a lot faster than the old 1Ghz snapdragons; the video is proof of that. If HTC put the newer 1Ghz in the Vision it would have been overkill. The phone doesn't need that much speed to function smoothly. It also would have caused the phone to be thicker as the added speed would have required a bigger battery. The phone already looks thick as is I definitely would not want extra thickness on top of it.

It looks like the best qwerty business phone to date. Don't worry about the specs, just watch the video and you'll see that the phone flies! 800mhz doesn't mean ****. This phone is way faster than the Desire or N1. Get over your little numbers. If the phone didn't function smoothly HTC would have put a faster processor in it.

I'll be getting the G2 day one. I have the Vibrant but really need a keyboard. I like the Vibrant but its more of a tech geeks phone than an actual business phone that is designed to function perfectly. If you want to view avatar in HD get the Vibrant, but if your like me and you send lots of emails and texts, the G2 is the perfect phone.

Can't wait! I'll be using this until we get a new qwerty slider, or Google releases their next phone.
[G2 and Desire Z General] setspeed:
This phone may be decent now, but in a year's time it won't be able to keep up, and unless HTC change their ways and start releasing more qwertys regularly, then we will all be stuck with this. That's all I'm saying.

HTC, release a decent qwerty every year, or preferably make each one high enough spec that it will last.
[G2 and Desire Z General] acejoker25000:
by the time this is outdated there will be actual dual cores released in phones and it will be about time for a new qwerty phone to be released. this phone is supposed to be as fast if not faster then the current 1ghz processors out there so idk why people are thinking this phone will be dated quickly. the only way to tell for sure is to have the phone in your hand and experience the speed for yourself next to the "big boys" and then say whether this phone will be able to hold its own or not. the first dual cores said to be ready by beginning to mid 2011 are the 1.2ghz dual cores with the 1.5-2.0 ghz dual cores end of 2011 beginning of 2012 around the time of a new qwerty phone.

Siting
[G2 and Desire Z General] setspeed:
I suppose that is a good point, but the fact remains HTC doesn't deem keyboard users worthy of their best tech. Samsung manage to put their best phones out in keyboard and touch versions, and so to some extent do Motorola. What's with the lack of love from HTC?
[G2 and Desire Z General] Arcadia310:
I personally do not feel HTC is leaving keyboard users out. I mean honestly, why do you feel connected with HTC? There are other carriers putting out keyboard phones...

The only reason why this phone doesn't have a 1Ghz processor is because of the screen size. It simply doesn't need that much power since the screen is smaller. The 1Ghz would require a bigger battery which means more bulk on the phone. The Vision looks thick as it is.

The Desire HD needs the 1Ghz because the screen is so large. And keep in mind that the processor in the Desire HD dwarfs the Evo 4G's processor in every way. 4X the graphics power, more efficient CPU etc.

I personally do not think the Desire Z will be able to run Android 3.x smoothly. However, no current phone out will be able to run Android 3.x smoothly. We have no idea what it will be like, but I can say that 3.x will be a complete overhaul of Android. Like the upgrade from 1.x to 2.x, better hardware will be needed. I expect Google to announce a new phone with Android 3.x that showcases the OS's capabilities and shows what the next generation of phone hardware will require. As of right now there is no need for a dual core phone. Why the hell would you need a dual core for stock android 2.2? You would never use half of that power. It would be foolish for HTC to spend billions to put a beefed up processor into these current phones because we have no way to use that power.

This is the best qwerty out and I'm fine with that. My business/networking needs simply do not require an extra large screen or a dual core processor. I need to be able to use the GPS flawlessly, text/email without lag, browse any website I want with full flash etc. But most importantly, I need a keyboard. My current phone, the Vibrant, falls short in many areas that the Vision does not. Sure the tech geeks may salivate over the 1Ghz hummingbird and super fast GPU, but whats the point if we can't even make use of that power? More importantly, what's the point if the OS cripples the phone so much that you can't even notice a difference? (speaking of touchwiz)

Until 3.x comes out, the G2 will be a perfect fit for me. I was fine with the MyTouch Slide but the screen was much too small and the phone was sluggish. When I had over a thousand text messages saved the entire phone would slow down, and it took 20 minutes to delete said text messages. Hopefully the G2 will be able to run 3.x, but if not it does not sway my decision. I'll wait for Googles next phone, or the first official 3.x phone before I even think about something so far off and out of my control.
[G2 and Desire Z General] acejoker25000:
Hmm I'm using the slide now and really don't have much of any lag but I am running a froyo romand overclocked which helps but it is the smoothest sense ui phone I've seen! But am definitely upgrading to the g2 but I would really like the new sense ui! I don't like the fact that the desire z is only 2.1 because porting it to the g2 is a downgrade !
[G2 and Desire Z General] Zaim2:
Guys, you're worrying about nothing, it comes with Froyo. HTC said Desire Z was running Froyo throughout the conference and in videos, not sure what Gizmodo were smoking. They seem to have corrected themselves now. Also the release page for the 7230 says it's running the same scorpion core as the others, meaning it's underclocked, so we should be about to setCPU it back up to 1ghz. I'm pretty sure Desire Z/G2 will be able to handle Gingerbread, as it's more capable of it than the Nexus one, which is the prime candidate for getting it first.
[G2 and Desire Z General] acejoker25000:
you quoted me wrong. but on a side note. i retract my desire z statement i dont remember where i saw it from but somewhere stated 2.1 that is my bad.

on another note even with my phone clocked at the standard speed running a stock rom i dont experience any lag. one thing to do would be to download auto killer. its not an app killer in the sense that it kills apps needlessly. it just edits the way android deals with background processes making them stricter to keep the phone smoother. it works wonders and is a great app to have.
[G2 and Desire Z General] setspeed:
Because XDA effing RULES!! If I was ignorant to the phone-modding scene then I may well go for the Milestone 2. But I know to get the most out of my phone = rooting. So that narrows down the choices to the phones that get decent dev support on XDA, meaning HTC phones :-)
[G2 and Desire Z General] Arcadia310:
Yeah I was posting on my Vibrant, somehow messed the quote up. :p

I'll admit, the MyTouch Slide was quick when you were going through menus and stuff. But certain things would kill the phone sometimes. Like if I were manually refreshing my Sense News widget it would take foooorrrreeevvvveeeerrrrr to refresh. I also read somewhere that it takes 2-3 seconds to delete 1 text message. When you have 2500+ text messages piled up it takes like half an hour to delete, no lie, I had to experience this. Such a crazy issue. Other than that the phone was great. If I could go back I would actually keep it instead of selling and getting the Vibrant. The Vibrant is a POS honestly.
[G2 and Desire Z General] acejoker25000:
Wow depressing I'm glad I didn't get the vibrant! But I don't really delete messages I flash different roms often enough to not need to. Plus over clocking makes this thing run like a dream!

My biggest issue with the slide is lack of system rw it limits things you can do!
[G2 and Desire Z General] DimitrisC:
Will the G2 have the same unibody construction as the HTC Desire Z?

I've seen some websites which list the dimensions as different for each of these two models which got me thinking that maybe the two phones will not be identical (at least on the outside)!

EDIT: Here is the link from gsmarena which has different dimensions and weight between the two models:

http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3421&idPhone2=3518

I have the original Desire but I was waiting for a good keyboard Android phone to come to Europe. I don't like the Sense UI though so I was thinking of buying a G2 from ebay and unlock it to work with my SIM card. Can someone confirm that both phones are identical on the outside with the only difference being the software UI and less memory storage on the Desire Z?

Also to be in the spirit of the thread I was thinking of the Motorola Milestone 2 as well but all the reviews and videos I've seen of Motorola Droid 2 in the US and Motorola Droid X suffer from lag between screens and lag during pinch to zoom in the browser.
[G2 and Desire Z General] skulk3r:
the G-2 should be identical to the Desire Z as far as I know...if not, I would probably bank on just some minor changes...to "T-mobile-ify" it. Does the G-2 actually have more internal memory than the Desire Z? If it does..then that might be worth looking into...although the microSD card should make up for it.

Yeah, the Droids/Milestones suffer from motoBLOAT...so not very attractive. Like you, I originally thought that plain Android would be the first thing I chucked on the phone..but some Sense UI widgets and apps might have me play around with Sense for just a little bit =]
[G2 and Desire Z General] bfletcher6147:
I just noticed there is no proximity sensor on the G2 specs. I do remember seeing one in some of the photos. Anyone know?
[G2 and Desire Z General] smooth3d:
Trust me both are be identical spec wise, nobody has had a hands on with the g2.
[G2 and Desire Z General] skulk3r:
now that Milestone 2 (or rather, the Droid 2) has been rooted (http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=803682&highlight=droid&page=6)

does that mean that the Droid 2 World Edition or the Droid 2 Pro (or whatever it's called now) will do better than the G-2? It now has the 1.2 GHz proc and with rooting, it's bound to be a popular phone...
[G2 and Desire Z General] sinistersai4d4d:
My girl's getting a Droid 2 next week. I wanted her to wait for the world edition but I have no idea when that thing will be available... *sigh*... also she's a woman and has no idea why I'm distressed over this lol

Sent from my T-Mobile G2 using telepathy and unicorn dust!
[G2 and Desire Z General] shahulvm:
Tried both HTC Desire Z and Milestone 2

Let me give a quick writeup to help in your decision between Desire Z vs Milestone 2.

Had both the devices for a week and here goes my say:

Desire Z

Pros: Good Software - Nice user interface, Screen Looks good, smooth sliding between home screens, webpages etc.

Cons: Hinge loosens with use, screen wobbles a little when closed

Milestone 2

Pros: Good Hardware - Phone feels quite rugged, will last the beating for 1-2 years.

Cons: TFT screen not on par with SLCD, scrolling not as smooth as Desire Z

Desire Z feels faster when compared to milestone 2. If you are a person who would handle the phone with care then Desire Z is for you, else go with Milestone 2. Milestone 2 has bass enhancements under 'sounds'. (Poweramp app can do this as well)

Music, Battery life, keyboard were quite okay on both the phones for me.

Finally, I sold-off Desire Z and keept Milestone 2 as it feels rugged and also liked the bass enhancements.

Purchased Milestone 2 from Clove.co.uk
[G2 and Desire Z General] schriss:
Yea, everybody should research and make his choice.

I'm bass-head and using PowerAMP on Desire Z (G2) I managed to easily get the same level of bass as I was only able to get on Cowon i9 MP3 player before.

P.S. If Desire Z didn't impress me with good bass, I would simply go back to using MP3 player for music and phone for anything else.

P.S. My first impressions of G2-DZ as audio player here

P.S. Re hinges, I don't know how can they become loose after time, there are no springs there to get loose (magnets).
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jamin100:
Would really appreciate some help here guys...

basically i have a new SLCD nexus one with Ramons 1.8.01 recover image.

I tried uploading a few roms but none of them worked..

so I'm trying to restore one of two nandroid backups i made before i started messing..

on the phone if i go into recovery and select nandroid restore then i get an error telling me to run nandroid-mobile.sh via ADB.

So, i set up adb, follow a guide (here) and end up with an error saying

error: unyaffs not found in path

does anyone know how i can get that backup working???

I've attached a copy of my cmd window..

Any help would be gratefully appreciated
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jamin100:
Quick update, I have Cyanogen 6.0.0 working on the phone now..

But i'd still like to be able to restore!
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Goblinlord:
I would suggest trying to type the directory instead of using default. When the restore prompts you to either type the directory or hit enter... instead of hitting enter type:

/sdcard/nandroid/HT08BP800418/BCDS-20100911-2252

See if it gives you the same error.

NOTE: That IS case sensitive.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jamin100:
Thanks for your reply, unfortunately it does give the same error, I have 3 nandroid backups but cant restore any of them which is worrying incase anything happens to the phone!

Please help :)
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Goblinlord:
Try this... while in the shell... type the following:

ls -l /sdcard/nandroid/HT08BP800418/BCDS-20100911-2252

It should bring up a list of 5 files. Go ahead and attach a screen if you can if you are getting a list of files. If not let me know what error you get.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jamin100:
Thanks for your help,

here's the screen shot
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jamin100:
Nobody encountered this problem?
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Goblinlord:
Ok... sorry had you look in the wrong place. I thought it was looking in the directory with the image in it for what it needed. I just looked at the nandroid code. Turns out... it looks for some executables that are required for the script to run. It doesn't have to do with your image and I think your images are probably fine.

I need you to run 2 more commands so I can see where the problem is. First run:

env

Next run:

which unyaffs

The "env" command should show your enviroment variables. What we are looking for is for /system/bin to be in your "PATH" variable. It should be because it checks for another executable first "flash_image" and it is not coming up with an error. The second file it is checking for is "unyaffs". Next you need to check and make sure unyaffs is actually in your /system/bin folder. It is probably not... and would explain the error you are getting.

I guess my first question is... is this happening on all ROMs you have tried (or have you only gotten one up and running)? If it is there may have been a problem when you flashed it. Even though it is possible that you could copy it to the /system/bin I would suggest not doing this. The reason is because if that one file is missing... there may be other files missing that should be there from when you flashed your ROM. These missing files... if there are any... could cause problems later. It might be best just to reflash whatever ROM you are using. I would suggest CM6 (not nighties) and then moving to some other ROM once you get a "known good" to work with.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jamin100:
Hey GoblinLord,

Thanks for your help on this, really appreciate it..

OK, well i've ran the two commands that you said and have attached the screenshot with the output. I've tried going to /system/bin but get permission denied errors through adb.

Although it looks like the PATH is actually /sbin rather than /system/bin ???

As for the roms..

I'm currently using CM6 (the stable version) as this was the only one that I could manage to get to work. As this is a SLCD nexus i dont think there are many roms that have the right drivers for the screen. Its does work fine though.. The nandroid restore is the only part of the phone that i cannot get working....

Again thanks for the help...
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Goblinlord:
Hmmm... the permission denied is normal. That is because it is a folder and not an executable. You should be able to do:

ls -l /system/bin

This will list what is in your /system/bin directory. As for your path being different... that seems a bit strange. I am doing the commands from a terminal on my device... once I get back home today I will do it through the ADB shell and see what I get. The "which" command will only look in the folders in your "PATH" variable for the executable. If /system/bin is not in there I am not sure how it is passing the part where it looks for "flash_image". In my sbin folder I only have the ADB daemon (adbd) executable. What you could do is manually add the /system/bin to your PATH variable while in the shell... that may work. You can try the following:

PATH=$PATH:/system/bin

Run that before running your restore command. That should manually place the directory you need into your PATH environment variable. I will do a little testing with ADB once I get home and update this if I get to before you try it.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jamin100:
Thanks for the reply....

I won't be able to try this until Wednesday as I have left the USB cable at work ....

I will try it Wednesday and let you know...

Thanks
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Goblinlord:
I checked my environment variables via ADB. Mine did show the /system/bin in my PATH variable. Seeing as this is a shell being run on your device... I would still venture to say that something may have went wrong when you flashed your ROM originally. That or something you installed changed it for some crazy reason (and shouldn't have). Either way, I still think it would be best to flash again... possibly to a different version. I know you would have had to get a modified version of CM6 so... if you don't mind me asking where did you get your copy?

EDIT: Correction... I am getting the same path variable as you when in recovery mode. I am not quite sure why this is... the guide I found for using nandroid restore through ADB doesn't seem to run into this issue. It might be some kind of issue related to just Amon_Ra recovery. This would mean that Amon_Ra Recovery just didn't add it to the PATH variable... which I guess is rather odd... but whatever. Just try manually adding it to the PATH variable as mentioned above and then run the restore. It should work then.

EDIT 2: I did a bit of researching on that error you are getting when you try and restore in recovery. Reference:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=621940

Various people point to things that may cause this error. Is your phone charged? Do you have plenty of space on your SD card?
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] StuMcBill:
I came across this ( http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=771684 ), and I wondered if this would work on the Desire (obviously needing to be in Recovery to access the system directory)?

Seems pretty cool!
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nzdcoy:
or there is this on the front page, mentioned in the comments in that thread. looks a whole lot easier http://www.xda-developers.com/android/lcd-density-changer-application-v3-0-released/
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mercianary:
The app doesn't work on desire.

I changed my dpi to 180. It looks great. No glitches if you turn off compatibility mode in spare parts.

Works great with adw launcher. Can fit 7x7 icons on the homescreen with ease.

Another bonus is the keyboard is shrunk to about 1/3rd of the screen.

I cannot recommend it enough. :)

The way I did it was copy build.prop from system, edit it and flash it back by a custom update.zip
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Makiaveli22:
Im running the HD2 on t-mobile UK with the Wifi Router App it used to work like a dream, but has suddenly stopped working. when i run a ipconfig on the laptop it shows an ip address and a subnet mask but no default gateway.

Is anyone having the same problem, i was thinking that maybe t-mobile have found out that im tethering and found a way to stop me.

I used to be able to plug my phone to my laptop through usb and tether that way but it stopped working after using it for 6 months.:o