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[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] htc-hd2:
To motivate the coders even a bit more you could create a "Who will be the 1st Android NAND coder" thread where users can donate cash for the price money.

The 1st coder who does so will win the cash.

Me.. I've donated cash already to some of the coders here, and I can wait till we have a stable good working version.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] klopikxda:
You know ... it could be a great idea .

If someone trusted will keep grand prize for this so why not ???

First person that will make a working rom will get a BIG PRIZE ....

might work .

After testing, if we see that it really works ....

I could donate if someone will start something like this.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] zarathustrax:
I don't know how fair it would be to say the first to make an android would get the prize... Most likely it will be a cook making the rom using the work of many developers. It will be the same group of devs that got android working in the first place that will get it working on nand.... Dcordes, cotulla, netripper, etc... Might as well just donate. I'm sure it will be a group effort by them.

Nand is difficult because we will need a lot of new drivers to initialize the hardware... Right now winmo is used to initialize most hardware for android. I don't understand why you think it shouldn't be difficult... Look at other winmo devices that can run android... Only 2 out of a dozen can even boot from nand... And the nand versions are less functional than the versions run from sd card. It takes a LOT more work to get everything working on its own from nand without winmo to initialize hardware. I would expect the same with the first versions of nand booting for the hd2 also.... It will probably be nowhere near as functional as booting from sd until a lot of development is done. Be patient... It could be a long time before we have a nand bootable android that's anywhere as stable and functional as the sd bootable builds we currently have. I also doubt that speed or battery life will be much better with nand, if at all. We have great speed & batteries with our sd versions already... It will be hard to beat that with new nand versions, especially since many drivers for nand will probably have to be made from scratch. But you never know... We have some great devs and I've already been surprised with what they've accomplished.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mobilebuddha:
I guess you'll have to wait until the day you hire your own Android HD2 developer, then you can have them working on things that -you- want.

seriously, I'm not being sarcastic. I'm actually pondering about creating some sort of donations thread just to fix particular problems.

But, because this is a community driven effort, we are at the mercy of whatever developers/chefs want to have. If you don't like that, you may want to consider becoming a developer/chef yourself..
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] m4f1050:
I'm actually quite happy with my HD2 running off of SD... It's actually faster than WM 6.5! Everything I have tested works including hotspot. Running mccm 1.5 with chuckydroid ROM

And I have the best of both worlds...Android and WM 6.5!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dontw:
i was wondering how everybody feels about switching the two oss...place wimo on the sd and run android from nand...so you still have both. because from what ive been reading, having both oss on the nand is out of the question, unless you have a us hd2 that has more internal memory....just a thought
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] zarathustrax:
There is no android app to shut down android and launch windows kernel, so that possibility is very far away if it's even possible. First they would need to get android booting off nand, which is a ways off, then a haret type app would need to be written for android that can launch the window ce kernel, which may be very difficult because windows is not open sourced, and then a version of winmo that will work with that will need to be developed.

I don't see this as being very likely to happen. If you want nand android, you're going to lose winmo.

Personally, I don't see why everyone wants to boot android from nand... It works so well from sd and you get to run multiple os on your phone. And looking at the history of nand booting android on winmo phones, the nand versions are usually less functional and don't really improve speed or battery that much. Doesn't seem worth it to change a multiple os superphone into a subpar android-only phone. But that's just me.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mobilebuddha:
I guess the simple question would be why? What do you gain from that setup compared to what we have today? You'd still get 2 OSes, but with a -lot- more work I presume.

right?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dontw:
I completely understand. I was just curious..Im sure there wouldent be any benefit of nand booting except another option and being able to shut up people from asking about it lol...I personally don't mind android running off the SD card...I have two and I use one as my everyday android build and I use the other for when new builds come out so I can try it out. Pretty sweet if yu ask me :-) I'm sure some type of nand build will b out soon...everyone just needs to be patient
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mobilebuddha:
Meh, I'd rather have our awesome devs working on meaningful things like the touch screen lag...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] hoss_n2:
footprint works on sense
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] hoss_n2:
i prefere sd card over nand ,easy switch between roms ,ihave 4 different roms on my sd card
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] TonyCubed:
Cotulla is working on NAND at the moment, he said it would take him most of September (if not longer) to get it sorted. You all need to be patient.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jechus:
[Quote = htc -HD2 ; 8095224 ] Para motivar a los programadores , incluso un poco más se puede crear un " ¿Quién será el primero Android codificador NAND "hilo donde los usuarios pueden donar dinero por el dinero de los precios.

El codificador primero que lo hace va a ganar el dinero en efectivo .

Me .. He donado dinero ya a algunos de los codificadores de aquí, y puedo esperar a tener una versión estable de buen estado de funcionamiento . [ / quote ]

No, no, no, the union is strength, not a good idea
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] klopikxda:
No jasne, a ja tobie napisze coś , co tym razem ty nie zrozumiesz :)

Use English please .

Ok. If there is so many people saying - NAND is useless

so why Cotulla is working to make this Happen ?

Tell me straight , what will be better with NAND version , and what with Android from SD CARD .

Like example

1. NAND is better because :

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2.Android SD CARD is better because :

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Will ask devs to take a part with this discussion.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] fstluxe:
NAND = Higer Speedrate... and faster response.. to data acces... Thatsa Big + I can see here..
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] fstluxe:
Maybe should Someone give The member dzo of the vogue forum..a HD2! then it could happen sooner..
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] zarathustrax:
People keep saying cotulla said this and that, and I think maybe his words are getting more jaded as it gets passed from person to person. I only heard him say that he won't start working on nand until sometime in september... then he also said that there will be a big update in september. I never saw any other quotes from him... just other people saying he said this and that. Please post links to where he says that nand will be finished in september or any other things he said about it. I think maybe things he says are taken out of context or misunderstood.

Cotulla's working on it because there's a demand for it, and probably to see if he can do it. I doubt he can guarantee that it will run better than booting off sd, but if he can optimize it enough and get the right driver's, it may run faster and more efficiently off nand.... we won't know if it will or if it can be realistically done for sure until it's done. But there will need to be many more drivers written to initialize the phones hardware without winmo, so it may take a long time to get it decently functional. Just look at the history of other winmo phones booting android from nand.... they took an extra year or 2 to get nand boots after they were able to boot off sd, and I think only one device actually has a nand boot that is as functional or close to as functional as the sd card bootable version.

It's a challenge and I'm sure cotulla wants to see if he can do it. Only time will tell.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] poweroutlet:
Nand is good and needed. Lower power usage and lower latency will make the device more responsive, but it won't be a huge difference from SD.

I think we should still give priority to getting our current builds fully functional first.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] James Bell:
So let's say I setup an email account and take PLEDGES (not money) for an "HD2 NAND Prize". Then we all simply send in messages to that address with a dollar amount. When the prize is claimed I email those people back and ask for their pledge amount to be sent in.

Say we define nand success as Android 2.2 running from the internal memory, no trace of WinMo. Minimum of voice, SMS, Web and WiFi working.

I'd be willing to administer that if it sounds good to people here. I'll start it off with $50 too.

More suggestions are welcomed.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] fstluxe:
Lets start a HD2 Donation for a hd2 for dzo...:rolleyes:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] zarathustrax:
I don't think a nand prize will help any... Nand is already being worked on by cotulla and the other devs. Also its not going to be just one dev that does everything. How will you award the prize in a fair way? A cook will probably be the one who releases a final rom, while cotulla & the other devs will have done most of the hard work... Who will get the prize then?

Also the devs don't do this just for money... They already know they will get donations and they're already working on nand. Just be patient and donate when and what you want... It's going to be the same devs that are currently working on android/linux that will get nand working... Donate to them now to encourage them... They're working on it anyways whether you promise to donate later or not. Donation pledge threads don't work well for big projects like this that will take combined efforts of several devs.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] m4f1050:
Sell the "prize" on ebay, split the $

LOL, yeah, prize is bad idea, donation works best
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] DerBozZ:
@ klopikxda

Good questions!

But these fools here wont be able to answer your questions! Only thing they got to say is: be happy Andorid on SD is available and be quiet!

The only one who could give REAL answers is Cotulla. just skip these stupid comments and be patient for Cotulla.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] MartyLK:
I agree. I love having two OSs on my HD2. I like being able to boot into WiMo and mess with it and boot into Android and mess with it. From what I understand, the Android boot and operation is very much similar to a PC with HDDs in that, as the PC system loads the OS from the HDDs into memory modules to operated, the card Android is loaded on loads it into main memory of the HD2 and functions that way.

I doubt I would ever flash an Android build when I can satisfactorily run it from a card.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] JonSolo:
First one to do a NAND version receives a NEW CAR!!!!

That does not even make sense reading it. I am an artist and can program. Someone sets some "prize" out there just bores me. Many of these guys are minimalist and perfectionists all at once.

We will get it and get it right (with or without bugs) when it is ready to be gotten, or we won't see it at all. Some grand prize would just piss off the creators and might even make them work independantly instead of collectively. Then who knows how long it would take.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] quinto91:
Nand

nand will make a huge difference to me, since i personally dont like windows mobile for the HD2 and get tired of booting twice when i restart my phone. And i used the HTC Tilt before it was on nand and it made a world of difference to me, was much more reliable once finished.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] bates_1974:
Nice to know you spend your time on here amongst us 'fools'

His question was answered, "when is NAND going to be available"

"Not yet, it's been worked on, be patient and when ready it'll be available", simple, how much more of a REAL answer do you want!?

Android on the SD as it stands is more than useable, nothing gets done over night, I'm sure like most Cotulla has a 9-5 job/family and all the work and effort he puts in is wasted with silly threads like this just screaming I want when is it going to be ready.

Rather than 'be patient and wait for Cotulla' which defies the logic of this thread altogether, why not try contribute something? This is a community after-all, try some constructive posts and a better attitude!!!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] klopikxda:
Well , it's time for me to SHOUT a bit !!!

I asked for technical problems related to NAND distro .

Of course NAND will be ready when IT WILL BE READY . THATS ALL.

But it could be nice to know what couses generals problems with NAND.

I see that only Cotulla is able to answer this so ....

PLEASE ADMINS CLOSE THIS THREAD
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] z33dev33l:
I would personally love a nand version. The only reason I boot into windows mobile is so I can realize just how amazing the android OS is as opposed to... well... everything else out there. I would rather have one perfect OS than 2 functionall OS' and hey, why not go with the obvious better of the two?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] xdahd2:
Stop trying to ruin other peoples dreams.If they want to believe that NAND version will come out, so be it. Just shut up and stay out of the threads if your gonna post crap!!!

SRY for my crap:o
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] klopikxda:
Cotulla already answered my question :

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=786151

so please..... DO NOT MAKE ANY ANSWERS IN THIS POST or

IF POSSIBLE - PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD

NAND WILL COME OUT SHORTLY !!!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jmmmmm:
You should use an autoloader. Makes android reboots effortless
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ebaul:
Will WinMo still be booting the phone? If so, does it stays memory resident or will Android push Windows out of phase once loaded?

Just trying to understand the process since reading through more than 300 post regarding this didn't clearly explain how the process works.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mumtaz64:
I dont understand why people complain about the inability (until now) of our remarkable devs to develop a nand version for hd2!

I love my HD2 the way it is shipped, i added an android rom on sd card to see in what android is better than winmo, i liked it alot, and I currently am using it all the time. It is all thanks to Mdeejay.

My point is: If you want to support devs, donate!

If you want winmo nomore, buy an amdroid phone!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Hauk00:
Way to bump a thread from 2 months ago...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] orangekid:
yeah, in "ROM time" 2 months is like 20 years.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Joseph5386:
Nand

Several developers are working on Nand . Nand will be available when developers are finished working out the bugs ... Currently one of the keys to nand (MAGLDR) is still not ready and judging by the irc logs (linux delopment chat)the developer (Cotulla-the developer who made our HSPL possible), has not been seen for quite some time... Here is what MAGLDR will provide and also some updates :)

MAGLDR is a bootloader for HTC Leo / HD2 that allows direct OS booting from NAND, developed by DFT team members. Currently it is still a work in progress and not available to the public.

MAGLDR is closed source. It will eventually be able to do more than just boot a Linux kernel from NAND. No release date is known as of yet. NAND support in the Linux kernel is done, DFT team (Cotulla et al.) is now working on bootloader/flasher.

* Choose between WM 6.5 / Linux-based OS

* WM 6.5 can be installed on NAND while Android could be launched from SD, or two Linux-based OS's can be launched; one from NAND and one from SD.

* Select different kernels (you can load kernel from list)

* TTY mode for developers. (ability to dump dmesg after crash and etc)

* Built-in Tetris

* Support YAFFS2 partitions flash via USB / from SD. Up to 8 YAFFS2 partitions.

Development Status

* Bad Audio Quality Fixed So Far

* Battery Driver Fully Implemented

* Nand Corruption Fixed

What to do:

* Fixing Some Minor Bug's

* Fixing RMNET PPP Data Issues

I would personally like to thank All of dev's that are consistently working on making our HD2 a better Phone, and not the Crippled Winmo device we all bought it as !!! After all, what other phone can you load multiple operating systems with ... I personally will never see winmo on my phone again after nand is complete, unless of course i have to send it in for servicing ( In that case WE CAN JUST FLASH IT RIGHT BACK TO STOCK!!!)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] :
I'd prefer the devs to work on Android 2.3 Gingerbread. Once that comes out most of the work they're doing now will be pretty much worthless anyway if Google changed anything in the core of the OS.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] redman8x8:
Personally i'm very comfortable running Android from the SD card, already the battery life issue are gone, speed + stability are perfect, and dual booting is a bliss when using an autobootloader.

I would actually prefer to see a fully functional "Desire HD Rom" running from SD, with camera and 720p recording, than a less functional and optimized Nand version.

But this is just me. :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] zarathustrax:
I completely agree with you. I don't think nand will improve things that much like people seem to think it will.... everything still runs from the ram anyways. And I don't want to lose my ability to run winmo just to make android boot up quicker. It's not like I have reboot my phone that often... so it taking an extra minute to boot isn't a big deal.

I'm hoping once magldr is released, someone figures out how to put both winmo and android on nand. Tmous hd2 has a gb of storage on nand, so there should be enough space. And I remember reading that magldr can create up to 8 partitions on the nand... I think android or winmo only need 3 or 4 partitions each... so it should be possible, I would think.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] JonSolo:
I wonder how many folks on here are "project managers". (This has nothing to do with content or thread...but rather the LAYOUTS of some posts.) :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] StephanV:
Point releases generally haven't changed much at the core level, so until 3.0 we probably won't have much to worry about.

At the two folks above: nand indeed isn't going to be the dealbreaker expect it to be, but it's certainly going to reduce the amount of bugs & problems due to different combo's of WinMo roms and SD cards, which in its turn will ease bugfixing I guess.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] wilwilwel:
this is not possible

you cant run windows on a linux partion

if you go andriod on NAND you have to stay with Andriod and maybe ubuntu on your sd card

if you want Andriod and WINMO you have to stay put with WinMo and run andriod from SD
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] wilwilwel:
BTW if you wanna know about the NAND status and what problems there are with the current build you can follow the threat below

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=817261

Going further in this discusion is pointless
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] norpan111:
Cotulla said it was possible . Choosing from maglrd(spelling?)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mlegal:
T-Mo Android

:) Hi Everyone

It's possible to place android folder on device memory and run android?

T-Mo has 600+ MB free on device memory and with a clean rom maybe 800MB+

I have tested but actualy not working with default config

Maybe a modification on startup.txt?

Someone can help?

I know the most people here have 512MB HD2 version, but for anyone that have the 1024MB version, it will be a interesting option.

Tanks
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] frostmore:
Personally we should thank and be appreciative to Cotulla and Co. for picking up the nand project and trying to let us have droid on a winmo device.

whinning and *****ing about how slow the progress is just simply childish.there are bugs and problem these ppl are solving for us(those who wan droid on nand) for free.(remb they are doing this out of the many reasons we can think of,but they are not being paid full time to solve these problems)

so keep your *****ing and whining to yourself and be glad that there is someone out there who is solving this nand issue.just take a look at microshaft,do you think they will solve your issue for you?

as for htc,the thought of having a droid rom for conversion is out of the question.jus take a look and their answer for hd2's winmo haters.dhd is pretty impressive ain't she??:D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jas0nw0ng:
"let us have droid on a winmo device"? Droid refers to robots in the Star Wars universe which are licensed by George Lucas's company or a specific handset running the android os. It is physically impossible to have "droid" in a winmo device as you can't put hardware into an operating system. Lastly, DHD which i'm guessing is an abbreviation for the Desire HD isn't female; it's a smartphone made by HTC.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] leepriestenator:
This discussion has run it's course.

Follow Cotulla's updates on this for more info.
[Epic 4G General] svfusion:
I am coming from an EVO and my Active Sync will not work right with this device. We are on Exchange 2007. The phone will loose connection with the server and will not regain it unless I re add it. I have never had this problem with my EVO/Hero/TouchPro 2/iPhone3G/3gs

I have 5 users using EPICS and all experiencing the same issue. If we use Touchdown for Exchange it works fine. It seems to be a problem with the EPIC mail software.

Any ideas?
[Epic 4G General] CJNYC:
Same boat

I am in the same boat. While my Epic will continue receiving email from the exchange server, it stops sending and messages just pile up in the outbox without my knowledge. If I re-add the account, all is well, but this is very frustrating! My Evo has no such issues. I was able to wait for 2.2 for proper folder support and the missing PBAP (address book upload Bluetooth profile) profile, but this might force me to return the phone. Emails not going out is a huge problem!
[Epic 4G General] mcmexican:
I use Touchdown as well and have not seen the issue. I did see the Droid X had the same issue to where they gave out Touchdown free to Droid X users maybe we are seeing the same issue.

-McMex