yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[EVO 4G General] Last-Chance:
don't think so. But im unrooting it with RUU as we speak. Took forever to reroot it and then unroot it again. Going to take pictures of the phone information and bootloader so i can post it on here, if they find out that it was rooted again.

as far as donating goes, I don't use paypal and will never use paypal in the future. They have suspended 2 of my account in the past, with 1-2k on each. had to wait 180 days for my money -.-
[EVO 4G General] Last-Chance:
Software info:

Firmware: 2.1 update 1

Baseband version: 1.39.00.04.26

Kernel:

2.6.29-a2443432 htc-kernel@and18-2 #1

Build: 1.32.651.1 CL171253 release-keys

Software number: 1.32.651.1

Browser: Webkit 3.1

PRI version: 1.34_003

Bootloader:

Supersonic EVT2-3 SHIP s-on

HBOOT-0.79

Microp-041f

Radio- 1.39.00.04.26

^^ that's the info so far. Double checked the recovery and it is default. From the looks of it, i should be fully unrooted without a trace of flashing. Going to install froyo just incase, and go to a different sprint store tomorrow.
[EVO 4G General] jkinnison90:
That seems about as un rooted as I can think... maybe I missed something.
[EVO 4G General] zergburger:
If you cant get your PRI to update, there is a flashable hex edit that at least makes it appear you have the 1.40 PRI somewhere in the development forum.. I'm sure if you search posts for "hex edit" it'll show up.
[EVO 4G General] Hrshycro:
Yeah, better fake the PRI, otherwise that's how they'll know. He probably called in and said he couldn't figure it out, then they asked the tech rep what PRI it was.
[EVO 4G General] spiicytuna:
*shrug* really? I guess some Sprint techs go above and beyond? My local Sprint store just does what they can, which is usually nothing, and says: "you should claim insurance."
[EVO 4G General] xHausx:
Nice, telling the whole world you plan on committing insurance fraud and directly following it up by admitting you have already done it once before. No offense but you have got to be half retarded, do you have any idea how stupid you are for doing that?

Anyways, Asurion screwed me over when I needed a legit replacement so don't let me stop you from doing the same to them. Just do yourself a favor and don't confess to it online because it aint nothing for them to track that post back to you.

Make sure you fix your PRI, reinstall the stock recovery, set S=ON and you should be good to go once you follow the unrooting guide.
[EVO 4G General] pb4life754:
i used to work for sprint ats and the second store may not work on ur phone if the first tech flagged the dev in eticket i have seen some store techs do it for this reason one thing u might do is call in to tech support or ats and see if they can create a sticket for u to go to the store and they will tell u its flagged if it is all u can do is pay $100.00 cause once a phone is flagged anyone who closes out the message to either work on the phone or replace the phone will get audited and could get fired
[EVO 4G General] clayginn:
Got to love it. Hack the phone then something goes wrong so blame Sprint. Then screw us by claiming insurance fraud. Then screw the person who buys your phone because the ESN is locked (yes I have a a old phone with a locked ESN) it old by they do lock the ESNs. Other wise steal a phone would ne very profitable. Oh wait is that how you get the 6 figure salary.
[EVO 4G General] akastixx:
if you tell sprint your phone was stolen, sprint will flag it. sometimes they will only just give you the number to asurion to get you off of the phone, but if you ask them, they will do it. if you only tell asurion, sprint will not flag it.
[EVO 4G General] Last-Chance:
lol considering that sprint could fix the phone in a couple of seconds by reflashing it with the rsa keys, it is their fault for making the process so difficult. All they have to do is re-authenticate the device with their network.

And who said I would screw the buyer? If it did get ESN locked, I would just sell it as is, and recover my 100$ at the least.

My salary, is more like going to college, and getting a doctorate in computer science.
[EVO 4G General] hercules rockefeller:
This is absolutely correct. Not everyone bothers to fillout the ticket completely, but I'm guessing that if this guy was persistent enough to check everything and find that you flashed it, he's probably going to note that on the eticket.

re: blocking the ESN, it can definitely be blocked, both by asurion and by the rep who swaps out the handset once you receive it. There's a little box you click next to the old ESN that says "Lost/stolen" or something to that effect. I'm always forgetting to check it until it's too late, so hopefully some thief's not making a profit becuase I'm forgetful, but that's probably why it happens from time to time.

And to the guy who found the lost phone - there is a way to take that ESN outof the file of blocked ESNs, but I can't recall how to do it off the top of my head. PM me if you like and I can take a look into it.

*Obviously I work for Sprint but none of what I posts constitutes anything official on the part of Sprint, this is all my personal opinion.
[EVO 4G General] AzN1337c0d3r:
Call bull**** on this. There's been people who had their PRI downgraded by Sprint to 1.34. It sounds like the guy who worked your phone had no idea what the **** he was doing and just said you rooted your phone because 4G didn't work.
[EVO 4G General] hercules rockefeller:
You're correct, and I forgot to mention that in my post. I've no idea what the specific capabilities of the tech in the store are, so it's possible that he's bluffing, or it's possible that there are troubleshooting steps that are comprehensive enough that they rule out every other possibility other than flashing, even without direct evidence of flashing. I've no idea either way. My only point is, if he's the sort of person who would go so far as to call out a customer on flashing a phone, he's probably not the sort who doesn't bother to fill out a form completely.
[EVO 4G General] npaulseth:
You are an amazing peice of work. Not man enough to admit that you are commiting insurance fraud AND you aren't smart enough to fix what you broke.

Awesome.

:rolleyes:
[EVO 4G General] rugedraw:
Did anyone just stop to think that maybe the guy that worked at Sprint happened to be an Android buff who is familiar with rooting phones and has probably rooted a phone or two himself? Is it that unlikely that someone who works for Sprint could have learned the same things that we have learned in the same way that we learned it; which is by reading these forums?

I went to the Sprint store the other day to buy a screen protector. While I'm there, a customer was checking out the Evo. He saw I had one and asked me how I felt about it so far. In the convo, the guy asks me about 4G, and I tell him there are a few places in Miami that already have it. I show him a screen shot I took of the SpeedTest app downloading at 5.56 Mbps while on 4G, and right there, the Sprint rep asks me: "Wait.....I thought you couldn't take screen shots with the Evo. Did you get your phone rooted?" I said: "No, I rooted it myself." He said: "Can I have your number so when I get mine you can root it for me?" I said: "Sure.....I'll do it for free as long as you take care of me when I have a problem with mine." The customer I was talking to ended up getting ordering an Evo, and he got my number so I can root his phone, as well.

If you find the right person, you will get taken care of. Maybe the OP just got a tech who knew what he was doing and felt like being an a**hole that day. Maybe Sprint does have a process/checklist in place to look for certain things that can tell if the phone has been flashed or not. I would treat the Sprint rep the same way I treat cops: I admit everything from the beginning. I would say: "My phone is rooted and I f*cked up; can you help me?" If they say no, I go to another store. I wouldn't even give them my account info until after I've felt them out.

My $0.02
[EVO 4G General] vballboarder:
The truth comes out...it always does my friend...your salary goes from "xx,xxx to 6 digits" when in reality you're in college making jack squat! Anyone making 6 figures isn't going to risk going to the slammer over a hundred bucks by committing insurance fraud.

Your whole argument that you pay $10/month for 4g and it doesn't work has NOTHING to do with the fact that you're going to lie about your old phone getting stolen. Sounds to me like you would then have a phone with 4g that works!

Anyone else notice the irony that this kid is going to school for a doctorate in computer science, but couldn't figure out the simplicity of "unrooting" a "computer" that's got forums dedicated to exactly that? What kind of "computer scientist" are you planning on being???
[EVO 4G General] vballboarder:
+1...I took my wifes phone in (palm pre) because she was having overheating issues and couldn't play videos without her phone freezing up. Right away the store manager looked through and said, "you have preware loaded on here" I said I had no clue what was on there since it's my wife's phone and I have an evo. He said preware voids the warranty, but he didn't really care so he would do what he could to help me out. he had to techs look at it and they said they had to factory reset it to find the problem.

Another rep who sold me the evo told me if I root it, it supposedly voids the warranty, but depending on who you take it to, they may not give a crap and help you out, or you may find a prick who does give a crap.

Moral of the story...if you feel out the person before giving your account info then you can go to a different store if you need to and find someone who will be on your side.
[EVO 4G General] VinhFTW:
Just to chime in about Asurion blocking an esn. I recently lost my phone and had them send me a new one. This nice lady calls my wife and tells her that she found it. So now I have my old phone that isnt blocked and my new Asurion phone which I havent activated yet. I really wish that I could return the new one but it was a non refundable deductible. But anyways its been 4 days and the old phone hasnt been blocked yet. Would it still be considered fraud if i kept using my old phone and just keeping the backup as a spare? Asurion did say it was part of our agreement that I send the old one in if i ever found it.......... also does anyone know if I dont activate the new phone will it get blocked over time?
[EVO 4G General] hercules rockefeller:
That's an interesting question. I'd speculate that if it hasn't been blocked yet, then it won't be, at least not for now. They might periodically run an audit and look for stuff like that, but who knows how often that is.

Would it be considered insurance fraud? Well, technically I'd say yes (just my opinion)... you answer your own question when you say that you were informed that it was part of your agreement to send the old phone back. I suppose you could simply send the new phone back if you prefered to use the old one, I don't think that would constitute fraud.
[EVO 4G General] vballboarder:
No, you have to have intent to commit fraud. If you never had the intent (really did lose your phone) then you didn't commit fraud.

I would keep the other phone for sure as a backup...I wouldn't sell it or activate it. Then if the phone does break or get lost you already have your asurion replacement that you already paid for.

If, and that's a BIG IF, you were ever to get caught with both, you just say "oh yeah, that's on my to do list to send that back, haven't gotten around to it yet"

no problems.
[EVO 4G General] rugedraw:
You answered your own question here: "Asurion did say it was part of our agreement that I send the old one in if i ever found it." If they haven't blocked it already, I don't see why they would. As someone previously mentioned, Asurion and Sprint are not directly related and Sprint would have to be the one to block the phone. For all they know, you activated a new phone for a legit reason and your old phone is either lost, stolen, broken, or with Asurion getting refurbished for the next person who loses an Evo.
[EVO 4G General] im0rtalz:
After reading all the threads of people who mess up their phone and just plans to report it lost and sell a broken phone on ebay. It makes me feel like I should never ever try to buy a used phone from ebay. Who knows how many bad ESN or broken 4G evo's there are listed on ebay.
[EVO 4G General] pb4life754:
they do have a check list that they go by when they get a phone it starts with looking for physical or water damage then going into the sw they rtn the phone and if that doesnt work then they have diff selections asking what the problem is such as data mms text calling then it goes from there and its phone specific
[EVO 4G General] rugedraw:
Phones with bad ESN's are a hot commodity because they can be exported and used in other countries. There is nothing wrong with buying a phone on eBay, but you need to research it first. If the buyer did not list the ESN number in the auction, you have to ask him/her for it, call Sprint, and verify that it can be connected.

Same thing with the DirecTV boxes. Most people don't want to pay DirecTV $100 for an HD box, so they buy one on eBay/Craigslist and then you find out you can't activate it because whoever owned it a) didn't pay their bill and/or b) the box was leased and it was not theirs to sell to begin with. Before you purchase the box, you have to get the serial number off of it, call DirecTV, and verify it can be activated.

Well, there you go. So like I said, the best bet is to feel the rep out before you provide an account info and if they seem reluctant to help you, then go to another Sprint store or wait for a day he/she isn't working and try your luck with someone else. It's still better than paying $100 for a refurbished phone, IMO.
[EVO 4G General] h40:
My friend and coworker just had his EVO replaced for free due to a loose micro USB port. It still had CM6 on it, I told him to flash a RUU at least and he didn't care enough to.

It depends on the tech you run into, and probably how nice you are to them.

My $0.02
[EVO 4G General] Last-Chance:
Lol admit? I plain out said that I USED INSURANCE TO GET A NEW SAMSUNG INSTINCT. Apparently you're not smart enough to comprehend the words that I type.

And please tell me how I can generate a new RSA key which will be identical to the key that was placed on it when i bought it. I will buy you any phone you want, just tell me how i can re-generate a lost RSA key. You can contact me whenever you want, even if it takes 10 years, Ill still be here waiting.

Do you even know what "went to college" means? It means that I GRADUATED college. For your information, WENT is a past tense. Look it up, maybe you learn something.

My argument with 4g has nothing to do with a new phone. My argument with 4g is, if I have to pay an extra 10$ a month for a service. And for some reason my phone doesn't have the option to use that service, doesn't matter what I did on it, I should either have that service de-activated or have them re-authenticate my phone with new RSA keys. The problem with the 4g not working, is because their system is telling my phone that it's not valid for the 4g network, and telling it to shut off the 4g network. hence the infinite loop of scanning, connecting to sprint, turning off, scanning, etc..

Again, you really need to learn a little more about english. I specifically said, the phone was UNROOTED, with stock kernel and rom, AND s-off. That's the whole reason i posted this thread, since I couldn't figure out how they knew it was flashed. And If i couldn't figure out how to unroot it, then how come i just did it AGAIN last night?

either you are horrible at arguing your point, or a horrible troll.
[EVO 4G General] npaulseth:
That is the deffinition of insurance fraud. Apparently you're not smart enough to comprehend the words that you wrote.

As far as generating a new key, don't do stuff that will comprimise your phone if you don't have solution for fixing what you broke.
[EVO 4G General] Last-Chance:
lol I know what insurance fraud is. He said that I wasn't smart enough to admit it, and Im pretty sure what i wrote IS admiting it.

Also afaik it's highly impossible and would take years, upon years to generate a rsa key. and thats if you actually knew what kind of authentication sprint is doing on their end.
[EVO 4G General] ViViDboarder:
Did you mess up your 4G using Unrevoked?

Also, doesn't the insurance cover accidental damage? How is this any different than accidental damage? Should be fine just making an insurance claim on the phone without saying you lost it. Sprint fixing it is definitely out of warranty though, but that's why you pay that extra 7/mo. :D
[EVO 4G General] YoungAceAtlanta:
Call BS on the tech and reps at the sprint store. I've had a HTC Hero rooted and flashed many times. i abuse that phone with roms. also the HTC Hero had a PRI issue aswell. Anyone that had flash a HTC Legend rom PRI was waay off. i had return my HTC Hero to a store and all i did was wipe the SD card, and use the sprint RUU.. they checked the phone. i was there for about 25-30mins after that they took it and didnt say a thing..

I say the tech guy that was there just didn't know a thing about the phone and said you rooted ur phone, Plus i bet he root his own phones as well, if i worked in a sprint store and i rooted my phone and a person came in to the store with one i wouldn't snitch on them.
[EVO 4G General] Last-Chance:
yea but thats the thing. I have to pay 100$ to get it replaced since they can't really do anything to it in the sprint stores. Not sure how the whole process works but either they will take the phone apart at htc and use it for parts, or reflash it with new RSA keys, and re authenticate it with the network.
[EVO 4G General] zone23:
My phone fell out of my pocket and under the car tire. Didn't mater what PRI, PRL, ROM, or any of that stuff it had on it. Sent it back in an envelope. Flatter than a pancake.

Alternate Story:

Drop the phone in the toilet baby sunk faster than the titanic. Didn't mater what PRI, PRL, ROM, or any of that stuff it had on it.

Bottom Line:

Look your phones messed up just get another one don't try to demise a plan to get something for nothing. Get your phone replaced and move on.

And back to the OP:

We will never know if the Tech figured out it was Rooted, go back and ask him. Its the only way you will know. I knew a sales person at a store who said he had rooted his Hero. Its not beyond them. They are like the rest of us. As a matter of fact a few Sprint people even float around the forums. I don't know why everyone things their dumb asses I guess because they don't always know everything about every phone in the universe.
[EVO 4G General] tonyh703:
I wonder if the Reverse Logistics Support is somehow sent to sprint? The ##786# shows a report, and I have a feeling sprint gets this report and possibly flags something in a database if the software version is ever anything other than stock.
[EVO 4G General] SilverZero:
Side note: You get my personal thumbs-up for your user name. Too bad "Rembrandt Q. Einstein" was taken. :)
[EVO 4G General] twilk73:
I make a 5 digit salary and I dont commit insurance fraude. Thats just stupid and the phones are not expensive enough to risk such a stupid crime. Some of the people on this forum just bosting about there income and stupidity. Who cares what you make, I dont and theres no reason to bring it into the post. Also if your breaking the law your a criminal no if ands or buts. Yes we all break the law at some point and there are diffrent levels to being a criminal. Some just steal internet and some just rob banks lol. Either way your not doing your self any favors by commiting insurance fraud its simply not worth the risk.

For the guy who found his phone and doesnt want to return it. Thats insurance fraude. Doesnt anyone read there contract anymore? You can return the old or new phone it doesnt matter.

I have insurance and I use it when I need to. I lost a phone once and had to pay to get it replaced. I agreed to that with the insurance contract so its no big deal. I also went to sprint stores and replaced many phones that had issues and this was at no cost to me and for that I thank them.
[EVO 4G General] mrjkwik:
ethics:

if you honestly lost your phone, get a replacement, then find your phone, but decide to keep the unactivated new phone, then no, thats not fraud.

again, there was no intent.

but it is breach of contract, in which case if found out you could still be held liable.

so what do they do if you get caught, they may charge you full price for the phone.

so for everyone saying that those that do this are affecting "them/us", bs. a person pays insurance for this reason. no one is getting "hurt". jump off your soap box for once.

this is not a defense of your so called "fraud". nor is it damning. i'm not "you" so i don't care. just stating the difference between fraud and breach of contract.
[EVO 4G General] lordtigger:
FYP....

Mark
[EVO 4G General] lordtigger:
Sorry, just had to quote this one too. I LOVE when people make statements like this where they try and show how dumb someone else is, but end up showing how dumb they are.

A lot of people "went to college" that didn't graduate from college. Look it up, maybe you'll learn something.

Mark
[EVO 4G General] vballboarder:
Not to mention that his EXACT quote was this:

"GOING TO COLLEGE" is present tense. Meaning you are currently going to college...or haven't you taken that semester of beginning English?
[EVO 4G General] Rhoq:
Yeah. The original Instinct is the absolute worst phone I've ever owned.
[EVO 4G General] hercules rockefeller:
at the risk of being a bit nitpicky, there is intent - it just doesn't show up until the point where he decides not to return the lost handset, which is no longer rightfully his. granted, that's different than someone who purposefully submits a claim on a phone that's not lost, becuase he didn't set out to defraud anyone right from the get-go. I'm not sure if this scenario would be called "Insurance Fraud" or "Breech of Contract", but either way if he keeps the phone there is intent to commit a crime (and I don't mean to make it sound that dramatic, I understand that he's not exactly robbing Ft. Knox here).
[EVO 4G General] Last-Chance:
I'm no professor in english, but there is a huge difference in saying:

and

Also I didn't know you could get a degree before you graduate :rolleyes:
[EVO 4G General] bigmoogle:
I would say the main difference is coherency. The first sentence is coherent and the second sentence is not.

As for earning degrees before graduating, in some doctoral programs if you pass some point (let's say passing your comps) they award you with a (meaningless) masters degree. So yeah, you can earn a degree before graduating.
[EVO 4G General] Last-Chance:
lol if it's meaningless then it's not really a degree, more like a useless piece of paper
[EVO 4G General] RavenTBK:
Agree. The 1.34 PRI thing is bull****. The demo Evos in the three local Sprint (corporate) stores are all running 2.2, but with 1.34 PRI's. The newer PRI's apparently havent been rolled out in the Tallahassee MSA yet.
[EVO 4G General] millerd79:
This site lets you check to see if the esn has been blocked

checkesnfree dot com
[EVO 4G General] 18th letter:
word....sprint is screwing us with that extra $10 b.s when I barely get 1 bar of 4g
[EVO 4G General] 513fabe:
Aggreed, becuz a person I know "found" a hero, n called sprint, told them he "bought" it via Internet n wanted to see if he could get it activated n said he was asking becuz he heard esn or something number(played dumb) can get messed up well 5 mins later was told the phone could be activated...even though it was 100% stolen n it's known through being a worker in same building n eventually striking up a convo with the person bout android n found out that a claim was made on the phone...either the customer service person either cleared the esn at the hope of getting a new line bonus or they don't block esn,s via ausurion..
[EVO 4G General] 513fabe:
Both instincts are failures! The fact that anyone ever tried to call it an iPhone killer is/was laffable!