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[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] fredphoesh:
Hello guys,

yesterday I used the Samsung Memo to write a few phone numbers down, I was going to call them all later and didnt want to create new contacts for these people, so copied the first number, pressed home button, went to the phone app pasted the number and dialed. Good.

then I used the hold pressing the home button and flipped over to the memo app again. A BLANK PAGE greeted me... ie, there was no multitasking, the app cleared itself when I returned to home via the home button.

so how is this (NON) multitasking better than my wife's iphone?

hmmm, perhaps not? :rolleyes:
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] DocRambone:
Did you go back by home or back button?

And please, this is not a dev topic...
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] RyanZA:
Wrong forum. Shoo!

I'll answer your question though: The Samsung apps are not well made. Search the market for 'notes' and use a better one. Just because the app is included, doesn't mean it's any good. The market is there for a reason - in fact, it's the whole point of Android.

EDIT:

You can use either with the memo app, it will lose whatever was there when you come back. ;)
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] fredphoesh:
oops, wrong forum, sorry, I had two tabs open on the browser and created a new topic in the wrong one...

so would it follow that android does not natively multitask, like ANY app in windows would keep your info if you Alt-Tabbed to another app then back again? it seems that APPS have to be written for multitasking as much as iOS ones do.

tx for other app tip, will check it out.

Mark.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] pocketjpaul:
Android has no problem with multitask, in fact, it has the better multitask-system that could exists (maybe the WebOS is better...).

When you develop an application for android, you have to choose what happens when the user press the "Home" button. Usually, developers chooses to backup the state of the application for the next launch (= multitask without memory usage).

But Samsung, for the Memo app, just choosed to... close definitely the App. That's all :)

But there is a lot of "Memo-like" apps in the market (for free) wich doesn't have this issue.

(excuse my english)
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] drowne:
meego multitask-system is WAY better than the android one (real multitasking).

and symbian's too is pretty good (real multitasking).

I hate both android and iphone fake multitasking.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] Dani897:
I can go back to memo and not lose it.

Op Learn how to use the phone. Then complain. Can your wifes I phone run run widgets? Customize the home screen? Change icons? Change launcher and lockscreen? Can you bind secondary functions to hardware buttons and soft keys to navigate to common functions faster? Do the notification interfere with what you are in the middle of? Is it dlna certified? Can it text to contact groups? Run google voice and transcribe your voicemail to text? Does it take panoramic photos? Play windows media? Does it take ota updates? I can go on....

The old iphone's lack of multitasking helped to idiot proof it and save battery which is what some people need. the idea of multitasking in ios 4 scares me. Ask those simple people that have no need for a smart phone other than its trendyness trying to do two things at once!

Android takes getting used to. It doesn't do anything for you, you are in control and that can be its strength as well as weakness.

You should be able to go to the home screen during a call and re-enter the dialer from the phone icon in the tray to add contacts without affecting the ongoing call. To re-enter the call you go through the notification bar.

(call will still be active but to get to the speaker phone and touch tone contols and have the proximity sensor turn the the screen off when phone is at you ear you go through the notification bar, or maybe the long press home method but I never tried that)

Hitting the back buton exits and is a necessary evil as a way not to leave apps running but not knowing that back kills the app and home doesn't will have you saying WTF all the time.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] jzviagin:
well yeah the symbian "real" multitasking is so graet that if you leave 2 apps open you can hardly make a call.

btw as mentioned before in android theres real multitasking its just up to the developer.

some apps like motonav go on running when you open another app and you can hear the voice directions.

but thank god most apps dond do so. i dont want my nfs shift to run in the background while im trying to run another game
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] toca79:
Just the other day i was thinking of a way to implement a webos like card interface and i had an idea.

Is it possible to create a large widget showing open apps with a card like style and a screenshot of the app taken while pressing the home button?

I'm not a programmer so i am simply asking if this is possible.

Swipe to close could be another nice feature to it.

If this is possible and there is a programmer willing to try please contact me.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] deeren:
dude, who lied to you by saying that android didnt have true multitasking? go back and document urself before saying such insanities here!!
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] Maddmatt:
I don't know about Meego, but Symbian multitasking is as basic as it gets. Run a couple of apps in the background, then try browsing the net in Opera Mobile. 5 Minutes later with 3 tabs open Opera has to shut down due to no memory left. Nice real multitasking :p

Should be better with Symbian 3, but it's still a basic system that may have to shut down apps and lose work.

I'm looking forward to Meego's release though, finally some decent competition for Android. Kinda sad that Meamo is abandoned due to it though.

There's nothing fake about Android multitasking. A developer chooses what happens to the app when the use hits the back key or home key. Usually it exits when the back key is hit, or goes to the background when the home key is hit.

Different apps may work differently, it's up to the developer to decide. If an app has to shut down due to low memory, it can save its state first so that you don't lose anything.

Can't blame Android for Samsung's crappy memo app.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] Arkymedes:
I don't know what you are doing but Symbian has REAL multitasking, not matter how much you don't like it. The sluggish response (in SOME phones) is a HARDWARE limitation, not the OS, that despite being old, it's a very capable OS.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] Finguz:
And the hardware comes with the OS! What is the consumer supposed to do about that? They buy the OS and phone as a package and Nokias packages are underpowered, short on memory and as buggy as hell.

ROFLMAO!
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] Maddmatt:
I know it's real multitasking, I was just mocking how badly it handles low memory. At least with Android apps can save their state in that situation, and the app you are actually using is the last one that would be closed.

I expect Symbian 3 to improve that though.

Android mutitasking isn't any less real than the rest. It just works differently. If it goes wrong then it can generally be blamed on the app, since they have full control of what happens in various situations. Unlike Symbian where they can just get shut down without a chance to save anything.

Samsung just didn't program their memo app to save its state. Theres better apps to do the job.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] biktor_gj:
Which of all these posts are related to development you say?

And now for the off-topic:

@OP: Don't get me wrong, not trying to be rude or anything, but you really don't understand yet how the phone works. If you hold the home button and switch between applications the text will be there when you go back. That's multitasking, as simple as that. If samsung's applications are crap that's another thing (which btw I agree, 42mb on apps removed from jpc and still works like crap, will try a fresh froyo build and see what happens then),

All this should be on the general section. Any mod out there willing to move this thread out of the dev forum please?

Regards
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] RyanZA:
This is possible. You can catch draws, as well as everything else that would be needed. It would probably need a homescreen replacement.

Basic idea: catch when an app is going to background, call a draw to an offscreen buffer, then show it on the mainscreen as a screenshot. Not sure how easy any of this would be, since I've never tried to make a homescreen replacement. ;)
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] Arkymedes:
Are you kidding me? Did you read before posting?

By your great conclusion, so Android should have the same performance on the HTC Tattoo and the Galaxy S right?

The point is, there are different hardwares with the same OS. You cannot compare an N82 with a C7 right? sigh...
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] sensi_:
Troll .
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] toca79:
Well, glad to know that my idea is doable, the only problem is that i lack the skills, and even the tools to make something like this (any suggestion appreciated).

Hope some developer likes my idea and tries to realize it :)
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] jodue:
lol, this thread is very, very stupid but nevertheless i want to throw in my 5 cents:

android has real multitasking. the system however can kill an app at any time when it feels like it needs the resources, this is maybe what happened to the OP. bad work by samsung because it could have saved the state to "disk". stupid of the OP because he obviously didn't push "save". good night and good luck!
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] drowne:
You are speaking of very old/cheap nokia phones. Try a E71/E72/E52/E55, just to make some examples.

you are right in only one thing: services in background are actually multitasking.

But it's a trick. Devs have to put a lot more effort in programming to make an application multitasking, utilizing a thread(service) for the computations and an other thread for the updates in the UI. It's not something that everyone can do at the first try.

I prefer the maemo/symbian multitasking system, it's real multitasking, like in a desktop OS (pick one at your choice).
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] drowne:
When you hold home button you see the list of the last opened programs, not the ones that are running at the moment.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] Dani897:
^ you are right. but I have used an app called smart bar that runs in the notification bar that will show running apps as well as switch to the last used app.

the back end of android multi tasks fine. the launcher doesn't take full advantage of this. and the apps must also be programmed a certain way. the reason not everything is set to multitask probably has to do with the battery usage and memory usage and processing time, and skill of the app developer.

I'd personally like to see a launcher that opens each task in a different home screen. I can easily use the drawer and dock to find all my apps so what is the purpose of 7 home screens? I'd like to have full apps running on different screens and a quick switch to preview mode like in sense our launcher pro to view all running apps, or use a button/gesture to disconnect the app fromm touch screen controls so I can scroll through home screens to view different apps.

well have to see what the future and the 3 rd party bring in the ui area.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] seraphine:
All you have to do is hit the BIG SAVE BUTTON. Memo REQUIRES that you tell it to save before it saves. Most other apps are the sort where even without saving it does so quietly, memo is not that sort of app.

That's all. There, we can end this pointless thread now.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] exadeci:
Using JPC, I written down some words pressed home, opened an other app went back to memo still there and then I try going back to memo trough application menu still there :D
[Galaxy S I9000 General] AlessandroIT:
While reading trough my huge list of RSS feeds, i've found this news posted just few hours ago: linkhttp://www.sizzledcore.com/2010/09/11/flash-player-10-1-for-samsung-galaxy-s-released-download-now-from-android-market/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+SizzledCore+(Sizzled+Core)

The Author says that Today, Google has released Flash Player 10.1 For Samsung Galaxy S and it is available in the Android Market.

No Changelog provided.

I guess it's for JPC Users. Did you received the update? Is there any news or performance boost? It seems to be a version developed just for our device.

Let us know :)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Maddmatt:
I can confirm it. Updating it now, on JPC firmware. Will check for performance boost, it was pretty terrible for watching video before.

Edit: Still terrible in DolphinHD web browser. Not much use in the stock browser since JPC firmware removed the user agent setting.

Tested in some, err, adult site. Youtube seems like a pointless test since the Youtube app is better to use.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] exadeci:
Third sign that froyo is coming :):) (I confirm available on jpc)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] harisn:
Screenshots posted on that post. And it's only available for JPC for now.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] andrewluecke:
Not sure we need signs that Froyo is coming, Samsung already said it was..

Also keep in mind though, it doesn't mean JPC is final, and it's still recommended people use kies (especially since some people appear to have been getting corrupt IMEI's after downgrading)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] exadeci:
Well some people say that Samsung wasn't going to release froyo in time but maybe during october and those signs seems to show that they where/are wrong
[Galaxy S I9000 General] bilboa1:
videos run fine in flash except ones when it says "unoptimized for mobile" then performance is bad (1 frame every 2 sec or so)

i have 10.1 beta i grabbed somewhere in the forums, i suppose final is similar
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Fr4gg0r:
Why not use my patched stock browser with useragent setting..
[Galaxy S I9000 General] oswade:
It was available in google market for JP3 aaages ago aswell. So nothing new here.

That being said, there are other signs pointing towards froyo soon hehe :D
[Galaxy S I9000 General] kwukduck:
Odd way how things go...

They officialy release flash while 2.2 isn't even out yet...

Samsung said it would be released in september but i wouldn't be suprised if it took them 2 more months before they release it.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] AllGamer:
2.2 is out for many other devices

Galaxy S is not the only Android phone you know? LOL :D :p
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Zabivelli:
how did you download it. i cant find fplayer 10.1 on android market in the netherlands...on the website i also cant download it????

i still have android 2.1
[Galaxy S I9000 General] AllGamer:
go to app brain Flash Player 10.1

or go to my topic

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=7999389#post7999389
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Zabivelli:
you forgot to say its for 2.2 only, i have 2.1
[Galaxy S I9000 General] cyanide1973:
androidSPIN said the rumor is around sept 23 2.2 will be released. We can hope there right, I won't hold my breath.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Zabivelli:
People what do you mean with only available for jpc? Do you mean the american versions of galaxy s "the vibrant" and "captative"??

I got the international version i9000 wich will get the update tomorrow!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Daztaylor70:
Who told you tomorrow?
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] jackeh070:
Lately I've noticed that my Milestone has some problems with displaying colors.

I have attached the screenshot of my home, where you can see terrible transitions between similar hues.

lso, there is wallpaper file attached, which seems to be okay to me.

Is it common with those screens or it's just my Milestone?
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] Chad_Petree:
my milestone does the same :/ could it be that it does not have 16 million colors?
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] fivefour:
24 bit images on a 16 bit display will cause the banding you see.
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] Chad_Petree:
i find it weird that no reviews mentions this or even the specifications sheet, :/ the desire has an 24 bit display?
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] jackeh070:
That's what I thought, pretty much.

Still, it being not mentioned is strange, as it seems to be fairly serious issue. Unless it's possible to convert images with no quality loss visible on the screen.
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] fivefour:
The proper term is dither, in cyanogen you can enable surface dithering in cyanogen mod settings > performance which should improve image quality at the cost of performance. Not sure about other roms.
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] Chad_Petree:
im curious to know about the display used in the droid 2 and droid x, the htc desire, are they using a 24 bit display now?
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] applebook:
The Droid/Milestone does have a 24-bit display: http://www.displaymate.com/Motorola_Droid_ShootOut.htm

In fact, the Droid 2 uses the same LCD.

That gradient problem with your image is probably caused by several problems:

1. The picture is not a true 24-bit image.

2. Google's Gallery is limited to 16-bit!

The Milestone/Droid has one of the finest LCDs on the market, and if it had not been so expensive when it was first released in Canada ($600!), I would have bought it in a heartbeat, despite the locked bootloader.

EDIT: I've just examined the photo on my 24-bit Aquos, and it looks perfectly smooth, so the problem is being caused by Android 2.1. FroYo's Gallery is also limited to 16-bit.
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] jackeh070:
So what gallery could I use to put wallpapers on?

Flikie does pretty much the same, as it uses Froyo gallery.
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] jackeh070:
Well, it seems that application named Wallpaper Set and Save (find it in market, it's free) is the easy way out.

This app lets you set the 24-bit wallpaper keeping the desired quality, more or less.

Though, it may make Launcher Pro FC a couple of times right after setting the new wallpaper, then it works flawlessly.
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] Chad_Petree:
if the 16 bit problem is androids fault how could google not fix this in 2.2? :( so thats why a lot of of phones use a different gallery than the stock, im surprised this isnt mentioned more often
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] Chad_Petree:
This link should be a sticky http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2362605,00.asp
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] Chad_Petree:
i searched for it and it says it only works in 1.x not in 2.x :confused: but it works... weird
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] applebook:
Yeah, I agree. Apparently, Samsung's Galaxy S Gallery is a bit better. Not truly 24-bit, but the Galaxy S adds improved dithering. The Galaxy S, with all of the hype about SAMOLED, is not even a real 24-bit display ;) You Milestone/Droid/Droid 2 folks have the best Android screen, IMO.
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] jackeh070:
True.

Google is not eager to tell you the answer if you don't exactly know what you are looking for. And for non-technical people it may be hard to guess.
[Motorola Droid and Milestone General] savagecabage:
i dont know what the droid screen was like but i got a milestone 2(droid 2) yesterday and the screen looks awful on it, nothing but dull colours, i just made a post about it here

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=10401973#post10401973
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] imtimduh:
Hello, i can't charge my phone in a regular charger or by the car charger anymore.

I sort of unplugged it while i was doing doing the usb data stuff and it got stuck and now, it only charges by usb through the computer. I then reflashed my rom and redid my android but still cannont charge.

Can anyone help or know why it won't charge?

I am running Chucky ROM and running android 2.2.

I sort of need to fix this problem ASAP so thank you if you can help
[Vibrant Themes and Apps] dabezt1:
This looks great! Ill be sure to try this out as soon as i get home. Currently running vibrant7 without any issues, but this theme looks realy good. Thanks for your contribution!
[Vibrant Themes and Apps] smashmouth:
How long should it take to install the updates and boot?
[Vibrant Themes and Apps] TJD319:
Updated OP with V2.1 download. Just slightly fixes a mod on the lockscreen.
[Vibrant Themes and Apps] dabezt1:
Im having issues with metamorph not being able to apply it. States that theme control file might be missing or not correctly written.

Any idea of what im doing wrong?
[Vibrant Themes and Apps] vamopyros_wrath:
I get the same error with the 2.1 version, haven't tried the other so...idk, metamorph just says the theme control file may not be correctly written.
[Vibrant Themes and Apps] o2ak:
hmm.. i might seem completely retarded at this point but where exactly is the download link??
[Vibrant Themes and Apps] TJD319:
That was my fault, I was out today and saw that I had actually forgotten a small little character in each "path" in the .xml file so, all three have been edited up nicely and fixed, should be working now. Sorry for the inconvenience, enjoy!
[Vibrant Themes and Apps] junkdruggler:
Did you forget to put app/?

Or did you leave apk after pulling from ninja morph...

I forget one of those almost everytime..
[Vibrant Themes and Apps] TJD319:
It was even stupider! In -path- (pretend < and >) i forgot the >! So stupid, and I'm on my vibrant modding each one while I was out to have it all fixed, and all the websites Java wouldn't let me upload...I tell ya, I'd love a REAL 4Shared app!
[Vibrant Themes and Apps] junkdruggler:
Eh yeah **** happens... Use drop box... That's how I upload from my phone...
[Vibrant Themes and Apps] o2ak:
I seem to be getting the same error as the first replies. It says control file may have been incorrectly written or something like that.
[Vibrant Themes and Apps] dabezt1:
Still same error
[Vibrant Themes and Apps] TJD319:
Should be all good to go now, you got the latest update? Just uploaded all 4 again, was waiting for 2.5 to upload them with the fixed .xml file.
[Vibrant Themes and Apps] allareconnected:
Link to 2.5 not working, "invalid"??? Anyone else getting this?
[Vibrant Themes and Apps] dabezt1:
Yes 2.5 link is invalid. 2.1 was able install everything but framework-res
[Vibrant Themes and Apps] TJD319:
Thanks for the heads-up. framework-res fixed for all versions (was just a stupid error i left in). Also fixed all links to latest builds. Once again, Enjoy!
[Vibrant Themes and Apps] parmijo11:
How about a download for a revert? Did I overlook it?
[Vibrant Themes and Apps] junkdruggler:
Im in the process of up loading a stock rom mm template... So no more having to ask/build revert morphs... There is already a theme template thread I will add it to that...
[Vibrant Themes and Apps] j56bp:
this one ?
[Vibrant Themes and Apps] moonrock:
Thank you! I saw the screencaps of this one and had to grab it. It looks great (and everything is working). :)