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[Hero CDMA General] vita10gy:
Hopefully this isn't beating a dead horse, but I really think you're not getting the point some people are trying to make. People do seem to be seeing what you're saying, that your comparison was an out-of-the-box only comparison. The point I think you're missing is that that comparison is stupid.

What difference does what it can or can't do the second you turn it on make? For the sake of the argument let's say Sense is a large upgrade, which is debatable in the first place. If I can piggy back on the burger analogy: You're buying the deluxe burger, they hand it to you with everything, take it or leave it. You're then making fun of us who bought the plain burger. This is silly on face value because for starters, some people want their burger plain, and the whole point of this particular burger joint vs others is the fact they let you build your own burger. You're also ignoring the fact that we can take our plain burger over to the condiment counter and with minimal effort put on our burger only what we want, and as important, leave off everything we don't, and if we want, build your exact deluxe burger, except with the tastiest looking ingredients, arranged the way we want, in the amount we want. When it's all said and done we could both be holding a burger made out of the same ingredients. It's, at best, a wash, with every advantage going to the build-your-own route, except for a little time during the one time setup for which your burger is forever more enjoyable.

You're saying "look at the pretty clock/weather widget this comes with" and we're saying, "Right, except I don't want that clock taking up space on my desktop, or phone" or "Right, and we can have that too if we want, except ours will actually check the weather when you tell it to"

The whole point is that, with few exceptions, you can do what sense does, and do it better, with more options, and NOT do anything you don't give two craps about. What it does "out of the box" is a really stupid comparison to make when the whole point of AOSP builds is to be fairly bare-bones.
[Hero CDMA General] xortim:
Generally ok reasons here. Though that is a difference in user. Shiny vs functional.

The sense lockscreen is pretty much garbage. Never liked it from day one.

Always active G-sensor is a tremendous battery drain.

I've actually had much better luck w/the AOSP keyboard than the Sense one. TO each their own. Some people like 1 button mice, others aren't retarded.

Sense Widgets are definitely shiny. You also paid how much for your phone to get them? 2.99 for BW seems a bit acceptable.

I couldn't agree more with the T9 autocomplete. That's the only feature I miss from Sense / every other custom manuf. ROM.

Eh, that is a decent feature. You also seem like the type of person with about 2048 icons on their desktop.

The AOSP calendar app is way more responsive than Sense's.

Well, you also said stock CM6, let's go with a stock sense ROM and see how well it performs?

Sounds like you should start contributing either feature requests or patches to AOSP. I've had nothing but speed, usability, and battery improvements with AOSP over Sense. To each their own. Keep trying out the new versions of CM.
[Hero CDMA General] theimpaler747:
Hey, let's keep it friendly in here, we're all here to help, tone down the language please.
[Hero CDMA General] billodell:
Well you know what they say about opinions... but to each his own. I loved sense until I flashed cm6
[Hero CDMA General] Kevets:
Funny, I tried CM6 but went back to stock in two days. Couldn't stand it.
[Hero CDMA General] mbuchholz:
+1...

I tried CM6 but went back to sense for the following reasons:

1. The mail app from stock sense worked when the email app from froyo would not. I don't pay for POP3 access on my yahoo mail, and I could never get it to work with froyo's email app. The sense mail app works even better that Yahoo's app from the market IMO. This was a deal breaker for me.

2. The clock functionality is greatness on sense.

3. The calendar included with sense is my fav. I have tried others, but I like this one the best.

I use some market stuff... LauncherPro Plus, Handcent, Digital Clock Widget (which has a cool feature that allows you to select which app it opens on click), but that just makes the Hero fun for me.

-mb
[Hero CDMA General] ro_bro:
I use CM6 right now, and I love everything about it, except for the Gallery. I know that 2d Gallery and Justpictures app is an option, but the HTC Camera and Album apps, which run only on top of the Sense framework are hands down faster and more responsive and crash less than the AOSP Camera and Gallery.

But I am starting to doubt if the AOSP Camera and Gallery can be improved regardless of how much cm6 progresses - they somehow seem more system intensive (at least that's my guess).
[Hero CDMA General] theimpaler747:
CM6.1.0 with my theme=awesome! Although I admit sense does have some great features :)
[Hero CDMA General] stayclean:
I really cannot think of one Sense feature I truly miss. Also, do you have a theme you made yourself? I thought you did... ;)
[Hero CDMA General] theimpaler747:
Me? The gold one is mine, ehac had a lose port with the framework but I shaped it all up to where it is not at pretty much 100% :)
[Hero CDMA General] igtheactt1:
Sense is ok.. It's better on faster devices... I've ran every sense ROM out for the hero and they all are sluggish... I dont have the need for 5 dam screens I use one... bw clock is better then sense imho and if I want cheap IME keyboard ill just flash it.. I love aosp.. fast and simple...
[Hero CDMA General] tseidel:
the only thing i miss about sense is the facebook sync its just so much harder on CM6 but the speed cant be matched ive gone back and forth about 20 times and CM6 wins everytime and not just with speed the customization of the taskbar highlight colors actions buttons its just so much easier than unzipping frameworks and photo shopping EVERYTHING hands down CM6 is the best thing to happen to the hero since htc .
[Hero CDMA General] youdug:
im gonna try cm 6.1 with one of impalers themes but i tried cm6 for about a week and i went back to liquidsense2.1. i had cm oc to 768 and it was laggy, took longer to come back from sleep, and the camera froze everytime i used it. the only problem i have right now with liquidsense is that its not vibrating on vibrate when i get a text for some reason. other than that its snappier and no fc's or freezing.
[Hero CDMA General] oohaylima:
I'm a sucker for efficiency and not something flashy. AOSP exceeds all my expectations.
[Droid 2 General] Ty07allstar:
Has anybody been using autokiller?
[Droid 2 General] cupertinosucks:
Me! At agressive setting I haven't seen the memory go under 77. Cranked it up a bit.. gonna keep an eye on it. I think its better than minfreemanager
[Droid 2 General] SevereDeceit:
Not me, I'm letting the OS do what it was designed to do...
[Droid 2 General] JDunc:
Droid 2 doesn't need Autokillers :D
[Droid 2 General] spaceape99:
Doesn't need them, but it doesn't hurt. Until there's an easier way to clean up running programs, I've found that the advanced task killer widget is a one-click way to free up program memory and bring a little snap back to the OS. Yes things eventually clean up themselves in 2.2, but it doesn't hurt to speed the process along.
[Droid 2 General] Spitemare:
Task killers actually hurt battery life under FroYo. The biggest hit to battery life isn't full RAM but CPU usage. By killing an idle app you're forcing the OS to reopen that app the next time it needs to be launched; opening an app takes more CPU cycles than switching an idle app to the foreground. Your battery will be better off if you let the OS do its job. It's far more efficient at handling memory management than your or I, especially now that it's been designed to keep as much running in RAM as possible.
[Droid 2 General] newk8600:
Amen, couldn't have said it better.:)
[Droid 2 General] tbaker077:
What about for apps you never use, like for ex: mail app, or music(use winamp)?
[Droid 2 General] orkillakilla:
I have advanced task killer only for when an app gives me trouble (freezes, lags, etc) and I only kill that specific app. Other than that I let the phone do what it was made to do :)

Sent from my Motorola Droid 2 with Fission 2.2.2
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zoe1325:
Hi Am switching to Sprint and want an android. I'm 55 years old and love to text. Is this a good choice to intro me to android world.(never had touch screen but I'm a fast learner) Text, internet and talk are the order of importance that I will use the phone for. I think the Evo would be too much to start with. Whats your expert opinion. Had a Nokia 6301 for last 2 years. Thanks in advance.:)
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LifeInTheGrey:
I was a Motorola RAZR user before switching to the Hero, so in terms of phone usage, technology platform, and priority of functions the phone provides, it was a big difference. The touch screen is not difficult to get the hang of, the only thing is that may take some getting used to is the touchscreen keyboard (definitely some learning curve there, compared to a tangible one). Other than that, you shouldn't have a problem.

In truth, the EVO and the Hero will provide essentially the same functionality; EVO has 4G connection, the Hero doesn't, but in terms of OS configuration and general usage, they are very similar. They both run (stock, of course) on HTC Sense, HTC's shell over android that replaces a lot of the stock android programs with shiny and beautified new ones. The big difference between the two is the hardware. The reason the Hero has such a huge community of support on these forums is that it has very limited hardware, and most found that stock it ran very slowly. Hence, the need to mod and improve it, and if I may say so myself, they've done it quite well. The EVO actually has the hardware to properly run HTC Sense, but there is a large community for the EVO as well, and growing.

Either one will have essentially the same learning curve in terms of functionality. The Hero has one of the largest communities of support on these forums, so asking a question as you did will usually get a response (and one that is far more useful than any Sprint Rep could give you). The EVO has a good-size community as well, and has 2x the processing power, memory, and extra goodies like a front-facing camera for video chat and stuff. The Hero is $149.99 with a new contract, the EVO is $199.99 with a new contract (if they have it in stock; there has been a MASSIVE shortage).

This is just the background information; I recommend going to a Sprint store and playing with them yourself. A lot of people don't like the EVO because it is HUGE size-wise. A lot of people scoff at the Hero because to get it to run well, either serious work or rooting is pretty much mandatory. Either way, I say its a good choice. If you have any more questions, let me know, but good luck in your search!
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] laie1472:
If you go to the hero pm me with any questions u might have if I can help ill b glad to and I'm on here a lot warning its very addictive lol and IMO I'd go the hero first time around good luck

Root-Hack-Mod-Always™
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mac11700:
No expert on these things,but as one newbie 55 yo to another the Hero is a good phone to start out with. The Evo is too if you can get used to something that large coming from a smaller phone. Both have a ton of stuff on them to start out with..but as far as which one to get..you got 30 days from signing up with them to really decide which you prefer. You have more screen size with the Evo and a lot faster processor to start. Like what has been said..go try them both out and see which you prefer..I never thought I would get the hang of a touch screen keyboard and now I wouldn't go back to one..they just add way too much bulk to a phone for my taste and I can type and correct just as fast as using a real keyboard now.

Mac
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zoe1325:
thanks

Thanks for the insights. I'm going to get the Hero. (contract is up Sept 16th with Tmobile) I will be back in the next couple weeks to let you know how its going. I'm really interested in the process of making the Hero go faster. Its something I will probably persue after I have it for a while. Again, thanks for the replies. :)
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jwhistler:
Ah, Grasshopper, you have chosen wisely!

I'm a couple years your senior, have had a Hero for about a year, have rooted and flashed my phone to the point where I'm very happy with it. Have also become something of a root-meister for the rest of the family :)

These phones are like computers: you always want them faster. Having said that, I use my phone mostly for (gasp) phone calls, texting, MMS, and casual browsing and Youtube viewing. The Hero - especially when modded, is quite up to the task.

My only complaint is the tiny tiny text within many of the apps. Obviously, the developers are all 20-somethings with the kind of eyesight I used to have when I was that age <GRIN>.

The EVO has a larger screen, but not having played with one, I don't know if that translates to larger type, or just more tiny type that can fit on a larger screen?

As someone else said, the Hero has a huge support base in the community, so you'll find lots of help as you learn and navigate your way around it. If you get a Hero, you'll be happy with for at least a year or two as you develop further insight as to what you want in one of these phones.

Before discovering how to root and mod my phone with some of the excellent ROMs available (I'm now using Cyanogenmod 6) I was ready to go back to my Katana. The stock ROM is cludgy and frustrating. With CM6, my Hero is now snappy and responsive and I can see living with it for another year...until the next upgrad.

Good luck!
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xjayman:
coming from t mobile you can get the hero for 1 cent on amazon,just got two for my parents in their 60s and they love them.
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] A_Flying_Fox:
Personally i think you should gget an evo...its practically an upgraded hero. The only reason why you should pick up a hero over an evo is if screen size is a problem. And cost.

Dont get me wrong, i love my hero. Ive had it since day one, but if i had known about the Evo before hand, then i wouldve opted for that. Especially since it works great out of the box (after a few updates, but the hero was that way too :p). Its almost a neccessity to root the hero mostly because the processor is slow. But after you get it running at ~700mhz its great :D

But personally im going for the epic 4g on october 1st. Its like an Evo with a keyboard! Plus, it may be thicker than the Evo, but its just as thick as my hero, so thickness is a non-issue for me :)
[HD2 General] Alkali:
I have a problem with my camera! Pictures taken look blurred and powderish and the flash does not start automatically pls help. I went to settings but 'am confused.
[HD2 General] nrfitchett4:
did you clean the lens???
[HD2 General] Alkali:
I did now-No effect
[HD2 General] Alkali:
I did now - No.effect nr.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Gary:):
Hello im hoping someone can help its reallly bugging me now i want to put Eclair polymod 2.1g on my kaisers nand.

I download it and the NBH file and i remane the file to KAISimg.nbh

basicly followerd this link (http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=643504)

I get to part 10. i click install and i get abit of white writeing but then stops and goes back to the install screen :( whats wroung??? could it be i got the roung revs of hyperdragon IOlite ? or the wroung NBH file??

please please someone help. iv tryed meny meny things
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] n2rjt:
You would have better luck asking on the thread you mentioned.

Actually this is a better thread.

Good luck.

Also, the ROM you mentioned has a newer version, on this thread.

Good luck.
[Vibrant Android Development] camalot:
I can confirm that this does indeed work, and the lag is annoying :) is the lag from the bootanimation & bootanimation2nd?
[Vibrant Android Development] d_bot:
+1 confirmed working, plays for maybe two seconds, then displays home screen.

EDIT: in a logcat i noticed "Unable to open zip '/data/local/bootanimation.zip': No such file or directory" I tried placing the bootanimation.zip into the /data/local folder, but am still getting the lag between the white vibrant and the animation....

Edit2: I tried editing the pngs in the zip file. I wanted to know at want frame the animation was playing and what frame is was stopping at. so i just painted the frame number on top of the picture, rezipped/pushed/copied/rebooted, and now all i get is the white vibrant, followed by pure black screen for a few seconds, then the lock/home screen.........not sure if there is a file size limit, or what...if i push the original bootanimation.zip i get the animation back......
[Vibrant Android Development] zaduma:
Here I got it working, trick is when you put it into an archive to put archive to store, so it doesn't compress the files. I have attached a custom "Haters" bootanimation with painted frame numbers. You might notice that the files are not jpg, that is just what i saved them as. It didn't seem to reveal to much to me. I don't think the problem is with the animation, I think it is when it gets called, not exactly sure of course.

Also about your log. When it looks for a bootanimation it checks /data/local first and if it finds nothing it goes to /system/media. I believe /data/local is a legacy command and for forward compatibility you should just get in the habit of using /system/media.

This lag is very puzzling, I am gonna try and pull the bootanimation / playlogo files off of other android phones or maybe android open source and see what happens...

For anyone who happens to want to look at what bootanimation / bootanimation2nd / playlogo / playlogos1 is remember they can be opened with 7zip and viewed as an archive. Inside them are 6 files 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 (if memory serves). It all looks arbitrary to me however, just a bunch of random junk.
[Vibrant Android Development] subnormyle:
Awesome Dude, This is definitily progress in the right direction. Thank you, and all the Devs for their hard work.
[Vibrant Android Development] camalot:
AFAIK, i don't remember seeing the "bootanimation", "bootanimation2nd", "playlogo" and "playlogos1" on any AOSP builds. I think those may be a SGS thing. Also, the /data/local/ i believe is used because it is writable by user, if i remember correctly, and would not require root to put a file there. But I could be wrong about that.

Why did you rename the bootanimation & bootanimation2nd as playlogo and playlogos1? does that tell it to load the /system/media/bootanimation.zip?

edit: ok, I was wrong... bootanimation is there, but not bootanimation2nd and not playlogo / playlogos1
[Vibrant Android Development] j_r0dd:
i think editing the init.rc properly could do this how it is in aosp. the following is in our init.rc. These are the two that stick out to me. you see the 1st one is commented out.

#service bootanim /system/bin/bootanimation2nd
# user graphics
# group graphics
# disabled
# oneshot

service playlogos1 /system/bin/playlogos1
user root
oneshot

It looks like this in an aosp rom.

service bootanim /system/bin/bootanimation
user graphics
group graphics
disabled
oneshot
[Vibrant Android Development] Genesis1791:
Exactly what has to be done. That requires a kernal edit tho if I'm not mistaken as init.rc get reloaded every time the phone is restarted.
[Vibrant Android Development] xalucardx:
it works but disable my lag fix , there's a way i can do its w/o removing the lag fix?
[Vibrant Android Development] Dani897:
Designgears at the captivate forum says he and a coworker got it working on the cappy. He didn't give details but he's including it in his next incarnation of his ever popular rom for the captivate.

Its good to see that this has been figured out. Here as well. I can't wait to try it
[Vibrant Android Development] zaduma:
Samsung I hate you. Edited so that people don't get silly ideas.

Trying to look through the AOSP. I can confirm that there is only bootanimation. I'm going to probably end up compiling some of it from source, it would be nice to know exactly what is happening in playlogos1, it might be just calling the animation but I find it unlikely.

Also if anyone can send me information about how to edit the initrd I would be very thankful. I guess I can just rename whatever file I want to playlogos1 but then it doesn't have the full set of options Running into problems trying to compile android from source, fricken a.

End of the day I need to figure out how to edit init.rc and have the changes be saved, because obviously it gets overwritten when you turn your phone off/on.
[Vibrant Android Development] zaduma:
I don't know. If you are running any of eugene's roms edit playlogosnow and not playlogos1, because he is running a custom set of commands there and calling playlogosnow at the end.

Also: OP updated.

Edit:

I'd love to see where you read this, I searched that thread and there is talk about only playing the logos through playlogos instead of using it as a place to launch lagfix's since custom kernels now support userscripts...

Just ran

cd /system/bin
ls -l playlogos1

which revealed that root.shell owned the file and it's permissions were set to -rwxr-xr-x-

so i went ahead and

mv playlogos1 playlogos1BKP
cp bootanimation playlogos1
ls -l playlogos1

which revealed that root owned bootanimation so now i ran

chown root.shell playlogos1

to fix ownership and made sure permissions were set for this owner

chmod 755 playlogos1

Effect: nothing, don't bother. ;)
[Vibrant Android Development] j_r0dd:
All you need is playlogos1 removed from init.rc and uncomment bootanimation from there. Then on boot the phone will activate the bootanimation binary instead. I have no clue how to edit the initramfs to include the edited init.rc. I have ben looking all over for instructions or some script to split/repack. Maybe JAC could incorporate this into his release, but probably won't because I am sure there are many people that like the samsung bootanimation. I for one like it, I just wish it was in .zip format.
[Vibrant Android Development] zaduma:
Nah, i have done this. It reflashes init.rc at boot and at shutdown. Without repacking it, the changes won't last long enough to see boot time.
[Vibrant Android Development] j_r0dd:
i know it re-flashes:). you misread my post. it needs to repackaged in the initramfs to stick. you can edit the init.rc on the phone all you want but nothing will happen.
[Vibrant Android Development] Babyface1249:
Bump. Any new progress on this?