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[EVO 4G General] evonewb:
i have been against samsung phones for a while now.... i was given the first instinct since i needed a phone and couldn't afford a new one..... problem was the phone was a p.o.s. like all other samsung phones...

i wouldn't even look at the samsung phone..... especially considering it's $25 or more than the evo.... so i would have to pay more for an inferior product i don't think so....

i know phones are going to be buggy and problematic when they are first released.... but after reading and hearing the reviews for a lot of phones... and being someone who is techie but not rich i thought the evo would be best for me..... not too expensive and very techie....

and i hate keyboards especially ones that fold out or slide out... too many friends have them break on their phones all the time..... so no way on the samsung...
[EVO 4G General] Last-Chance:
What you talking about? software batches? lmao, i would care less if the software was flawed, cause guess what? evo development actually allows you to install CUSTOM software. Unlike your epic which can't be rooted atm, + doesn't even have froyo (probably will never have it in the future).

The only "problems" with evo, were the "lcd screen detaching" (which imo is hype, since I've looked at some with this problem and they look fine to me), and the hairline crack at the top.

Both of these problems aren't even anything major, compared to the buttons not working, burn ins, and gps problems.

Also fyi, hardware is a bigger problem then software wise. Software can easily be fixed, unlike hardware. Same goes with any electronic you buy (unless you totally brick the device and delete recovery and crap).
[EVO 4G General] rugedraw:
While I agree that every Samsung smart phone I have ever played with has made me flaccid, I have to defend my trusty A940. That was the one that had a screen that twisted and had the first 2.0 mp camera? (seems so petty now....lol). Anyway, I still have two A940's as back-ups that work lovely. I was USB tethering the internet using that phone for YEARS......without even hacking it! It had (maybe still has) some kind of glitch that allowed you to do it using Sprint's software without paying for the tethering fee. I put that phone through hell, and it has the battle scars to prove it, and it NEVER crapped out on me.

With that said: Android/Evo rules. :)
[EVO 4G General] jelleroll:
I sold phones for years.and always recommended the Sanyo over the Samsung flip. They see just plain better built. I saw many people break the flip on the Samsung but never the Sanyo. I even ran mine over and it was fine (the ground was a little muddy). I wish Sanyo would

Team up with HTC on a phone...
[EVO 4G General] GermanGuy:
Got another question off-topic. Any issues with lack of internal memory (512 MB) and running out of space. I know that 2.2 allows installing app to SD but the app developer has to approve it, so it is not possible with each app.
[EVO 4G General] phatmanxxl:
I got a hands on an epic today, and the screen does stand out with its brightness (IMO thats the only 1up). It looked a little too saturated with color. I didn't really care for the keyboard either. I did notice the "pixelated" look of the screen too. I didn't like that either. All that and the wonderful tech support Samsung is known for I'm once again glad I went with the EVO. I can see the epic going down the Moment road in a few months.
[EVO 4G General] GermanGuy:
Bump

Still weighing my options of switching from my captivate to the Evo. The captivate has 16 GB of internal storage. Any issues with lack of internal memory (512 MB) and running out of space on the Evo? I know that 2.2 allows installing app to SD but the app developer has to approve it, so it is not possible with each app.
[EVO 4G General] ort84:
I had the evo since launch, switched to the Epic and I'm sorry to say it, in every way it is a better phone. Its faster than my evo ever was even on 2.2, the screen is excellent, the keyboard is excellent, has better battery life than my evo did and just feels better in my hands being curved and not shaped like a brick.

If the evo is working out great for you guys then thats fine but, please don't think for a second the Epic is a bad phone. Unlike the evo there is no 30fps lock that requires you to install a custom kernel to fix htc's limit, unlike the evo it doesn't take a century for the 4g radio to turn on, unlike the evo it can play 3D intensive games, unlike the evo you can see the screen while outside in sunlight, unlike the evo you don't have a limited 24fps 720p capture with horrible video quality, unlike the evo you don't have the memory/cpu hog that is called sense and doesn't actually improve on android in anyway. Touchwiz is a minimal skin and what it does change is for the better.

You guys seem to forget all the problems that plagued the evo when it launched. It took HTC what 2 or 3 hardware revisions? To get it right and even then there are still problems. Blown speakers, screen seperation, touch input lag, etc...

No phone is perfect, is the Epic perfect? No, I've had a couple of software related glitches and on occasion the back touch button isn't as responsive as I'd like but, by far it is an excellent phone.

The evo never impressed my iphone 4 co-workers but, the Epic has them jealous; that alone speaks volumes.
[EVO 4G General] Hanson68:
Including GPS? I mean, Sense vs Touchwiz is much of a contest either. Reflowing browser text when you pinch and zoom? Or Sense Cut & paste? Flash video? Screen size? Developer community?

That's just off the top of my head.

This is not an across the board experience. Many Epic users have seriously bad battery problems. The battery tests I've seen (including Anandtech) have the Epic placing well below the Evo.

I believe that is hyperbole. However, my Evo does fully charge in two hours, whereas the Epic charges so slowly that some users will lose battery in the car using a charger when GPS is enabled. Notice I said "enabled" instead of "working". Also, my 4G and wifi can be on simultaneously.

This is not true. I have used my Evo outside many, many times. It's perfectly functional functional in sunlight and I don't have to cup my hand over the screen to use it.

The 720p video on the Evo isn't that good, although I can live with the new h.264 480p option. But the audio is atrocious.

However, Sense improves Android in many ways for me -- cut & paste, the Sense dialer kicks ass, the pinch to display all home pages, browser text reflow on pinch and zoom, and the best and most robust Activesync out there. Oh yeah... the widgets! So.. uh.. you're wrong.

You do realize that the Epic is a three month old phone, right? That every problem with the phone right now (aside from screen wobble) was noted in June when the first Galaxy phone was released in Europe. Three months later? NO FIXES FOR ANYTHING. Evo battery fix in weeks. Screen separation, light leakage and power button problems were resolved in a month. Meanwhile, Samsung still ships out units fully aware that the GPS is broken. In contrast, HTC had Froyo out in two months and a .3 to .6 OTA fix a couple of weeks later. HTC has shown that they are very sensitive and responsive to Evo consumers while Samsung has let every single problem from launch day go unfixed. I've said it before and I'll say it again -- I fully expect the Epic to still be running on eclair by the time the Evo gets Gingerbread. Because that's what the track record is showing.

I hope you like what you have, because Samsung will probably never fix it.

If these iPhone 4 people had any judgment, they wouldn't be on an iPhone 4.
[EVO 4G General] Pao23:
/golf clap

Looking at the things you're listing about the Evo one thing is apparent, you aren't very good at working a phone. :(
[EVO 4G General] MrDSL:
Users are already reporting screen burn in after only a few weeks. I could go on but whats the point its all opinion by each user.

As far as the screen being better in sunlight that's simply BS because my co-worker has the AT&T version and we just walked outside and mine is way easier to read then his but opinions are like buttholes.

At least HTC has done things to fix their issues. GPS is still a issue and its been that way since the first Galaxy S was released back in June.

Good luck waiting on fixes from SAMSUNG. I hear they have a great track record in taking care of their customers when it comes to support.

And no iphone users wanting that phone doesn't speak anything at all..So they liked your phone with Touchwiz which clearly tries to look like an iphone.
[EVO 4G General] fenixjn:
This. This is the reason why they were "jealous" of your phone... because it looks like a newer iPhone... they were not jealous, they were impressed that Sprint got an iPhone.. oh wait..
[EVO 4G General] MrDSL:
Exactly...Oh wow look at the new iphone on Sprint with a bigger screen..Man graphics look freakin awesome on that screen there is no denying it!

How does text look? Yeah I love jagged text too..Makes it awesome to read.
[EVO 4G General] nebenezer:
LOL

Coupled with the convenience of the text being burned into the screen I'm ditching my evo today and paying full price for an epic fail. I mean does it get any better? You don't even have to be on the homescreen to know where your icons are!
[EVO 4G General] ort84:
So the crappy 720p recording was user error and not hardware/software? :rolleyes:

Anyways I'm out, its obvious you guys are going to defend your phone to the bitter end and it is perfect in your eyes.

You forget I had it and used it on a daily basis, so I know better.
[EVO 4G General] MrDSL:
Correct you're much better suited in the Epic forums..You'll have to wade through quite a few compaint topics but you'll find some other Epic lovers there for sure.
[EVO 4G General] heygrl:
Where are you getting this garbage from? This is something only the true haters like to bring up. I wonder why all of the reviews don't list "illegible text" as a flaw? Because they're blind and you have a pair of 20/60 eyes?

Anyone that thinks the Epic 4G (lots of iPhone's with QWERTY hardware KB's) or any other Galaxy S device is an iPhone because of TW is flat out stupid. The ONLY similarity is the app menu. Everything else is is Android unfortunately.

What? The Epic doesn't have root, has all of these problems that HTC never had (and even then they only had 2 issues and 1 was like nothing at all, you know the screen running away from the phone). None of this is BS by the way

News flash: Multiple Updates, even with Android 2.2 and HTC still has software bugs to fix. And some stuff they told you to **** off about like 30FPS or that HD video recording that barely looks & sounds the part. You most certainly need that "dev community".

-Lifitng Screens

-Cracking Trim

-Wobbling kickstands

-Light Leaking (still a problem)

-Busted speakers (Sounds familiar, HTC)

-MicroUSB port problems ranging from loose to falling off

-http://androidforums.com/evo-4g-support-troubleshooting/

Looks like another problem free from HTC!!!! Whew, why doesn't Sprint just sell HTC phones exclusively? They never have to exchange HTC Evos! They don't even have refurbs! Just new ones!
[EVO 4G General] MrDSL:
Its called Pentile Matrix you moron..Look it up its a fact text is blurry because of this as with all AMOLED.
[EVO 4G General] Systemfraud:
+9999999
[EVO 4G General] MadFlava:
The bottom line, and you can slice it up any way you want to, its a Samsung. I got burned on the Moment and said that would be my last Samsung phone EVER. I bought my girlfriend a Moment for her birthday the day it was released and all she did was ***** about that phone for almost a year. Sprint replaced it 4 times and finally I told her we would upgrade her to whatever she wanted.

She chose the Epic and she loves it. Ive played with it, its a nice phone and has some nice features but I just cant get over the fact its a Samsung. Fixes will be slow, if at all and may or may not actually fix the problem. Hell, the community ended up fixing most of the problems with the Moment LOOOOONG before Samsung ever did.
[EVO 4G General] Hanson68:
I hate to break it to you, but the subpixel arrangement in the PenTile Matrix screens makes straight lines jagged and smaller sized fonts will look fuzzy as a result. There's also a screen door effect as well as burn in. SAMOLED screens are like 1st gen plasma TV's -- they're awesome looking on the floor, but they degrade quickly. I have a theory that the screen is tinted blue so when the blue subpixels start burning out before the others, the screen won't push yelllow. But out of the box, whites look blue.

First off, this IS an iPhone user, so yes, the app drawer look of the home screen is enough to make the Epic look like an iPhone. And it's fairly obvious that Samsung designed the interface to mimic the iPhone's home screens. Just because you know what's under the hood doesn't mean that a casual observer wouldn't make that mistake.

Like I said, the Epic is essentially a three month old phone with zero fixes. You must be mad or ignorant to stack up the Evo issues against the Epic.
[EVO 4G General] heygrl:
[QUOTEI hate to break it to you, but the subpixel arrangement in the PenTile Matrix screens makes straight lines jagged and smaller sized fonts will look fuzzy as a result. There's also a screen door effect as well as burn in. SAMOLED screens are like 1st gen plasma TV's -- they're awesome looking on the floor, but they degrade quickly. I have a theory that the screen is tinted blue so when the blue subpixels start burning out before the others, the screen won't push yelllow. But out of the box, whites look blue.[/QUOTE]

Are you kidding me with this nonsense?

Lots of people are reading tiny text. In fact, don't we all read pages like the NY Times at 100% zoom on our 4" screens?

It's no secret that text isn't AS sharp as it would be in an RGB layout. Is it unreadable - NO.

Maybe in about five years.

Lots of iPhones with app drawers out there! Lots of iPhone's with widgets for that matter.

Essentially?

The Epic is a Galaxy S phone highly customized for Sprint which was released not two weeks ago.

Get your facts straight.

Sprint approved the Epic 4G's design and shipping software

Sprint asked for the customizations.

Sprint put it on the market with TouchWiz 2.5.

Sprint put it on the market without fully addressing the GPS.

It's painfully evident that if Sprint can add a 4G radio, a hardware QWERTY slideout keyboard, notification LED, and front facing camera that they could have spent more time updating it with TouchWiz 3.0 and fixing any thing pertaining to GPS.

Just customizing Android for WiMAX connectivity takes more time.

Which carrier that released the Epic 4G 3 months ago again?
[EVO 4G General] heygrl:
No, infact it only is an issue when you're looking at text so small that you would have to zoom into look at it anyway. Dullard. Otherwise, you won't be able to tell me that text is blurry across the board. It's a flat out lie
[EVO 4G General] Hanson68:
The first Galaxy was released in Europe at the beginning of June. Issues were:

Bad GPS

Insensitive cap buttons

Slow charging

Problems attaching with USB storage mode

Are you seriously telling me that the Epic was built from the ground up and they share all the same problems anyway? Obviously, there are large parts of the phone that are the same. So is it essentially the same phone? Isn't it obvious? Or are these simply Samsung features they felt the need to replicate across the line?
[EVO 4G General] heygrl:
Dead capacitive buttons are obviously a batch issue. Sprint was probably made aware of this and decided to just replace them as they come much like the Evo 4G's issues.

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/09/10/samsung-fascinate-known-issues-document-leaks/

You think they don't know what issues a phone can launch with or that Samsung is only to blame?

To claim that it's by-design would be a total fabrication. You can't even say that it affects a sizable portion of the Galaxy S variants because it doesn't.

When you're managing a WORLDWIDE launch things are going to take more time to get properly sorted out. The Evo was released in the US with sales that are minuscule in comparison. I'm sorry but the Evo is not on the same level as the entire Galaxy S line.
[EVO 4G General] Pao23:
No one really cares brother, go play with your phone on your forum. Talk about how it's better then the Evo, and we'll do you the favor of not coming over there, because again, no one cares.
[EVO 4G General] hydralisk:
Meh. I have both. The EVO was an amazing phone when it was my primary... but now that I have the Epic, I find myself never wanting to pick up the EVO. It doesnt do anything my epic cant. And unlike most people who apparently get bad battery life, mine is much better than my EVO's. I'm already at 18 hours with 3 hours and 15 minutes screen on time. 21% life left. Spare in my pocket. I had as pare with my EVO too so it was never a problem. I just plug the dead battery into the charger when i get home while i use the freshly swapped out battery.

All in all, these 2 phones come down to user preferences. Which one suits you better? For me, it's the Epic. The EVO had issues at launch, and HTC fixed them. Honestly, if Samsung doesn't fix the few issues I have with my phone, it's going back and I'm picking the EVO up again. But I know that I'll want to switch to a phone with a stronger CPU\GPU asap... because ugh... the EVO is just slow.

If nobody really cares, then why was this thread created? lol. Honestly, I think both phones are great, but what really pisses me off are EVO users that act like they're holding an iPhone and the Epic is an Android phone. That's seriously what it sounds like. They are BOTH android phones. If people like the Epic and use it, THIS IS A GOOD THING. The more people that use android, the better. That means we get more devs. Better apps. Better phones.

We should be embracing each other as brothers. Not jumping down each others throats for having different preferences. After all, android is all about preference and freedom of choice. Not superiority complexes. That's Apple's gig.
[EVO 4G General] hydralisk:
whoops double post somehow. dumb forum doesn't let me delete.
[EVO 4G General] brownhornet:
Well actually.. from what I read it seems that the purpose of the thread was to say that Samsung sucks at supporting their products... which they do.
[EVO 4G General] MadFlava:
The deal breaker for me on the Epic is the charging port location. What were they thinking? You slide the keyboard out with it plugging in, its in the way. Try to use the phone plugged in.. you have a cord sticking out of the top of your phone.

It blows me away some of the stuff Samsung does.
[EVO 4G General] hydralisk:
I would prefer the headphone jack and charging port to be on the same side. The EVO is really awkward with cords coming out both sides, but I would also have preferred Samsung put both ports on the bottom. It's not a dealbreaker for me though... but it is annoying.
[EVO 4G General] heygrl:
Can't be any worse than Motorola. Better yet, has Samsung promised and missed an ETA for the Galaxy S yet? No. All of this baseless speculation because the BHII and it's 500 owners feel jaded.

So, the bottom is supposed to be better? You know, just the opposite end.. still in the way but at the bottom. How about the side so it's in the way when you don't have the keyboard out? Each and every location will have it's compromises. Bottom top or side they all get in the way.
[EVO 4G General] MadFlava:
Seriously?

If its on the bottom, at least its pointing down when youre talking on the phone and you dont have a cord twisted into a 180 degree U to charge and talk at the same time.
[EVO 4G General] Last-Chance:
lol, for all the epic fanboys, tell me when you get froyo running on it. Or any update for that matter.

@heygrl, you said the galaxy S line was international, but then you stated that the epic was built for sprint and was custom all the way through. But then I quote:

Apparently you have a hard time keeping your facts straight.

The phones are identical, they are made by the same **** company, they have the same hardware problems AND software problems. The only thing difference on it, is one has a keyboard and the other doesn't.

Also saying the screen detaching is an issue when it's not. I have seen evo's with this "issue" and it looks fine to me. Yes, it is raised a little, but it's so small it's barely even noticeable, Unlike the epics burn in issues (which ARE noticeable since the I had an instinct which had the phone pad burnt into it, and I could clearly see it on any screen I was.)

The crack in the trim is even a worst excuse as well. The crack isn't even bigger than a piece of hair, half the people that own a evo and has the problem don't even know about it.

Wobbling kickstands - first time i've heard this problem, and most likely the person ****ed with it. or dropped the phone.

Light leaking - idk wtf you mean by light leaking.

Busted speakers - http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...eakers+htc+evo&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

not even worth noting since only like 1 out of 10k phones probably have this problem.

Micro usb - not sure how you would get this to fall off, since the thing is INSIDE the phone.

Most likely the person was ****ing with the charger, or dropped it.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...ll+off+htc+evo&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

not even a big problem from the looks of it.

Also that link you posted, 99% of the problems are SOFTWARE issues, meaning easily fixable with updates or custom roms.

Try to fix your unrooted, 2.1 samsung epic please. Ill be waiting. Oh and dont forget, that hardware problems like burn ins and capacitive buttons are not fixable by a normal user.
[EVO 4G General] hydralisk:
Normally I dont respond to people so close minded and angry for... no reason? What do you care? You have a phone you like. Enjoy it. Why do you feel the need to make others feel upset for their purchase?

ANYWAY. The Epic doesn't need Froyo. 90% of EVO users wanted Froyo to make their ****ty snapdragons perform as well as a phone released 8 months ago (Nexus One). The Epic doesn't need a speed boost. It's insanely fast. And unlike the other Galaxy S phones, it doesn't have lag issues due to a native fix already implemented by... none other than Samsung. This is a good start....

and...

4G

Touchwiz 2.5 (ugh)

Different music player

Different movie player

No TV out (ugh)

Try getting YOUR facts straight :D

Where've you been? The Epic has been rooted since like day 1. And how many people have screen burn in already? It takes about a year to start noticing that. You would have to have left the phone on 24/7 at full brightness to see burn in already... or got a bad unit. But I definitely haven't seen it yet.

And people who are enjoying their Epics are not Epic fanboys. They are people that wanted a phone that could do things that the EVO could not. Because they wanted a choice. THIS IS NOT APPLE.
[EVO 4G General] Last-Chance:
lol what are you talking about, the epic performed BARELY any better than the stock 2.1 evo. It got 40-45 on fps. While stock 2.1 evo got 30fps (and thats WITH the fps cap).

WOW 4g that must of taken like 1 year to code huh? Same with the music player and movie player. Man they worked so hard to get that working, they deserve an award for modifying galaxy s to epic. With those new software updates, it's like a totally different phone. :rolleyes:

Sorry i don't keep updates with epic that much. Also from what i've read, they've been issues on galaxy S phones already about burn ins, and it's been well under a year. I've also read some people complaining about epic's burn in within the first week or so.

Please name something the evo can't do..

it has hdmi out, has MULTIPLE roms, MULTIPLE kernels, hundreds of different themes, froyo and flash support. oh wait, thats the evo, not the epic. My bad.