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[EVO 4G General] hydralisk:
45 FPS in what?

http://www.laptopmag.com/review/cell-phones/samsung-epic-4g.aspx?mode=benchmarks

Neocore:

Epic: 56 FPS

EVO with 2.2: 28 FPS

Nenamark1:

Epic: 46 FPS

EVO: 14 FPS

My EVO with CM6 still stutters when swiping though apps\menus and browser performance isn't even worh talking about. The Epic is perfectly smooth when panning and zooming. The EVO.... ugh. It's not smooth :p

There are definitely things that the Epic can do that the EVO can not, which is why *I* bought it. My reasons are: smooth performance with 3D games. Before you say that there aren't many 3D games right now, take a look at the iPhone. Do you know why they have a game coming out with the Unreal Engine? Because they've always had decent GPUs. If Android kept shipping phones with ****ty snapdragons, we would NEVER get graphically intense apps\games, and the iPhone would rule that category. I'm VERY glad Samsung and Motorola decided to be the first to step up their game. It caused others to get competitive, and now Android is going to start getting some real hardware. But my phone will be futureproof for a very long time, as it already has a faster GPU than the iPhone 4.

The hardware keyboard opens up a lot of options with emulator gaming (and even other games that support it like Zenonia). Another thing I'm into. If you aren't, great. The EVO is a good fit for you.

The Epic can do DLNA. I can stream movies from my phone to my PS3 from my couch without having to worry about a cord. If HDMI is your preference, great.

The Epic can play HD avi\mkv files out of the box. No other phone can do that right now except galaxy S. This is important to me because I was always wasting so much time down-converting my movies so they can play on my EVO. Unfortunately, video players on the market can not play 720p videos (yx player, rockplayer).

The EPIC is fast out of the Box. As far as I'm concerned, I will never need to load a custom rom\kernal on this thing unless another developer fixes issues before samsung does. But honestly, the ONLY thing I want samsung to fix is the strange 150 Kbit 3G upload limit. I still get 1500 Kbits down on 3G, and 8000 Kbits down on 4G.

Again, I'm glad you like your EVO. I did buy it for a reason, and there is a reason I'm not selling it. But I'm happier with my Epic.

Oh, and I'm pretty excited about the media hub. That's coming out on the 16th I believe.
[EVO 4G General] Last-Chance:
I tested on 4 different phones in the sprint stores. not one, not two, but 4 phones. All of them preformed 40-45 fps on fps2d.

How hard do you concentrate on the shuttering? are you that picky? cause i have yet to notice my evo shutter at all. The only time i notice it, is if i get extremely close to the screen and move 1 millimeter at a time.

as far as gaming goes, there is probably 10-20 games that use a good 3d engine. And with a modded rom/kernel, i'm able to play those games without a problem. also stepping up, and samsung don't go in the same sentence. Anywhere.

The hardware keyboard is pointless on a fully touch screen keyboard, especially when it's so cheaply made. Also I'm pretty sure i've come across apps in the market that allow streaming movies over bluetooth.

Have no use for anything like that. I'm fine with streaming movies and videos over flash.
[EVO 4G General] hydralisk:
NOT that a 2D green ball bouncing around a screen translates to PERFORMANCE but....

Lawyered.

Btw, FPS2D wasn't created to measure performance. It was created to measure the LIMITS of a displays max FPS. That's why it only uses a small ball bouncing around (not demanding at all).

Load whatever kernel you want... you'll never get a game like Asphalt 5 to run as smooth as a Galaxy S. Just look up some youtube videos of that. It isnt even a demanding game, and the EVO has a noticeably low FPS. My iPod Touch 2G runs that game perfectly smooth.

At any rate, the snapdragon's max is 22 million triangles per second. Galaxy S is 90 million. I would call that "stepping up." Take a look at the Unreal Engine game coming out for iPhone. You're dreaming if you think the Nexus One\Desire\Incredible\EVO will ever run that.

You're comparing a hardware keyboard with real keys that you can feel.... to scattered touch controls that make your fingers get in the way of what is goin gon? Eh. I hate playing emulators on a touch screen. I love playing them on my Epic. To each his own I guess.
[EVO 4G General] mmegalodon:
hah hope you're getting paid for this bro!

sent from my SUPASONIC
[EVO 4G General] hydralisk:
????

Like I said, I own both phones and I think they are BOTH good devices. I'm just saying that there are a LOT of reasons why someone (like me) would want to purchase the Epic, and it is pointless for people to try and discourage us from enjoying our phones.

I hope you're getting paid for this... because the only thing you'll gain from creating a thread like this is taking business away from Samsung. But I doubt it will work. Actually, you might even scare away android users entirely with your attitude. I wish everyone could just enjoy their phones and stop wasting their time bashing others, because I personally want Android to surpass iOS in market share by a LOT. The only way that will happen is if people have CHOICE on android. And believe it or not, there are people that want phones like the Epic.
[EVO 4G General] Last-Chance:
doesn't matter what it uses, if it uses a big black **** bouncing around or a green ball, evo still gets a better fps with cap removed kernel.

I was able to play asphault 5 pretty decently on my evo, but i uninstalled it since i'm not into racing games. Gets too repetitive.

And yea, i'm comparing a hardware keyboard to a software one. The hardware one is cheaply made, and can break, while the software can easily be updated. + the keyboard is pointless, I would probably never use it, ever.
[EVO 4G General] hydralisk:
Okay the EVO bounces a green ball around faster than the Epic with a custom kernal. Enjoy that, because it's the only thing an EVO will ever do faster.

Everything you said in this post explains exactly why you bought an EVO and do not want an Epic. So why is it that when other people want an Epic, you feel the need to create a thread and say that their preferences are meaningless? I like the keyboard and think its great. Just about ever phone review site says its one of the best hardware keyboards on an android phone. I use swype for most of my typing anyway, as do most epic users.
[EVO 4G General] mmegalodon:
LOL! That was epic.

sent from my SUPASONIC
[EVO 4G General] imwillzillla:
Man there's alot of insecurity issues going on with fanboys of both phones in here. For one I don't care if a phone does something "out of the box" or not. As long as it does it i'm good.

Also if someone likes a phone better because it has a keyboard then more power to them. Honestly at the end of the day I'd take the Evo over the Epic. By no means does that make the Evo superior at all. I remember having these kind of arguments about the Playstation 2 and the Xbox lol.

People used to call the Xbox a VCR and of course the "Disc Read Error" made for good times. Debates like those are as outdated as the Samsung Moment (Which swipes faster than the Evo lol)

Stop being insecure about the vast majority thinking a rival phone is the best. If the vast majority were right. Lady Gaga would be the greatest singer of all time.....
[EVO 4G General] hydralisk:
Well this has been my issue with this thread all along. I would prefer everyone to just enjoy their phone. The Android platform offers choice. Why do people feel like we need to chastise Samsung for attempting to get in on that? Yes, they botched a phone in the past. It's not like HTC got everything perfect the first time either. They got better. I believe Samsung will too. If not... believe me, nobody will ever trust them again and you all can throw a party, get drunk, and piss all over some Samsung posters.

I'd prefer to give them a chance, seeing as they are pretty big android advocates.
[EVO 4G General] imwillzillla:
I agree! It should all be Android FTW. But people who got their Evo and were happy when all reviewers Praised it as the greatest thing since Stevie Wonder. And now hate the same reviewers who now have across the board said the Epic is better.

If Bonnie Cha loves the Epic more because it's not as masculine and has a keyboard then Amen (Which means so be it in Hebrew) Just be happy that the OS is still great and always improving.

EDIT: And is it wrong for me to be attracted to Bonnie because she is a cellphone freak as well?
[EVO 4G General] scooter185:
The instinct was horrible, apparently the Moment wasnt good either. Samsung doesnt seem to have a very good track record here. Also, if sammy supports the Epic like the instinct youll never see any updates.
[EVO 4G General] nebenezer:
qft

I'd be delighted if Samsung ended up making phones as good as they make TV's
[EVO 4G General] imwillzillla:
Hey I remember when the Instinct was the internets darling. dubbed the "iPhone killer" for about 2 days after its launch. Can't argue that support from Samsung has alot of room for improvement. However Android will probably do alot for it as far as the service and Froyo.
[EVO 4G General] YoungAceAtlanta:
Ok serious

You guys got to remember you are on a HTC (99% of the phones on this site are made by HTC) dev forum. so no bs we going to defend the phone that we have. It all comes down to the user tho,

Me personally from past luck with samsung phones. in my eyes they do just release a phone and stop caring about it later on, and the samsung devs aren't that big as xda devs are. so ill rather be with a phone that is going to have alot of support down the line and future and better devs down the line just look at the samsung moment.. dont hear from to much about it no more do you?

Plus to me in my opinion if you pick up the epic if feels like you holding a big plastic bottle to me,

The EVO feels way more better in the hand to me. like it can take a few falls and dints before it just crash out. (not saying the LCD would stay in tack tho :D )

Sure the epic a good phone. but my evo is for ME, u might agree other wise.
[EVO 4G General] Last-Chance:
It was dubbed the iphone killer before the launch. Every site hyped it up so much, you would think that samsung was bribing them. After couple of weeks of playing with it, it became ****. Browser crashing, no java support at all, or anything of the kind. It took them MONTHS to add a keyboard to java apps. a ****ing keyboard. It took them probably 5-6 hours of coding to do, yet it took them months to release it. And another month or so to release an update for their ****ty browser.

Not to mention that their whole "pay app developers contest" didn't work at all. They hyped that **** up as well, and after the contest was over, no one even heard a peep out of them. The site remained the same for months, unchanged. I doubt the contest was even real in the first place. Probably the worst "smart" phone i've ever used.
[EVO 4G General] imwillzillla:
Very true and some got sucked into getting the Instinct S30 and I myself almost got suckered into getting an Instinct HD. It was hyped for about 24 hours and I think that's the last I heard of that phone.
[EVO 4G General] scooter185:
i hoped that with the release of the newer instincts the original would get a new update to bring it closer to par with them (like being able to install new iOS on older iPhones [just an example dont kill me]), but that never happened.
[EVO 4G General] MadFlava:
I actually had both of those phones and I will say that the Epic is better than both of them. But ya know, how many times do you have to get burned before you learn your lesson? My girl is eligible for an upgrade in about a month, maybe Ill use her upgrade and get an Epic just to have both.
[EVO 4G General] heygrl:
No one gives a flying **** about the Instinct. How many feature phones had the same promise only to flop and fail? Like the LG EnV Touch? SPRINT Launched and LEFT the Instinct too. I don't know if you heard but SPRINT said they wouldn't be updating the HTC Hero and Moment to 2.2 - I wonder why? Isn't HTC awesome with updates? Yeah right.

No one hears about the HTC Hero anymore either. HTC and Sprint really screwed the pooch on the 2.1 update. It's pretty sad that it actually worked BETTER on Android 1.5.

Pointless ****. None of these phones are on the same level as the Galaxy S. What's next? You got some beef with the Samsung Exclaim that has nothing to do with the Epic?
[EVO 4G General] scooter185:
the galaxy S is not the phone to end all phones. I trust HTCs build quality and support over samsungs.
[EVO 4G General] Last-Chance:
yea bro, compare a couple phones to the hundreds of phones that samsung ditched.

It doesn't matter if it's the same "level" as the galaxy s line. **** is still made by samsung which is KNOWN to have update issues. If it was only me saying it, without proof, then yea, i would complain too. But take a look at all the devices samsung has released, i bet 99% of them didn't get more than 2-3 updates, and the updates took months to come out. (the updates probably caused more problems or didn't fix the previous ones).
[EVO 4G General] gTen:
Last-Chance...you sir are blind...you say that Epic 4g has all these issues since day 1 and that you don't believe HTC had the screen separation issue? thats a very "selective" point of view you have...

I have been using HTC since the Apache (back when HTC had worse support then Samsung) and people have had A HUGE amount of issues with their devices..I personally never had any issues..I guess I might have been lucky, Idk..but there are those who sent their devices in 10x for replacement if not more...

From all these bashes your making against the Epic it sounds to me that you are jealous of it :/

No one here who is defending the Epic is an Epic fanboy or a Samsung fanboy..we are well aware of Samsung's reputation and etc...but this time around Samsung said they are trying to make a "premium" brand...looking at the specs of the device, it blows the competition out of the water and no one can argue that spec wise it is better then the EVO..but of course that doesn't mean that it has no flaws...considering the specs and the growing community for the Galaxy S line many of us on the Epic warranted to give Samsung a chance..

I mean as a community do we seek to be like Apple fanboys and only stick to 1 manufacturer and be in denial regardless to how they treat us in a US market where carriers limit our choices? I personally think this is an opportunity for Samsung to prove themselves..at this point it is still too early to tell but so far at least they are working on the issues...if Samsung does prove themselves to keep up to our standards then we as a community should welcome them as next year or the year after sprint may decide to only carry a HTC device you don't like and at least you will have a choice...isn't that why we prefer Android over an iphone? due to the "choices"..then why must we limit our choices blindly?
[EVO 4G General] Last-Chance:
apparently you can't read. I specifically said that i've seen these so called "screen separated" evos, up front and personal. They are nothing to complain about. I used it, and had no problems with it. No touch screen issues, no capacitive button issues, nothing. Unlike the non working capacitive buttons on galaxy S line. The one's that sent in their devices in got refurbished ones. And it doesn't matter what company you buy a refurbished device from, they are usually as crap as the previous one (speaking from experience, replaced multiple ps3s, and multiple laptops).

The reason i'm not giving samsung a chance is because of the **** quality of their support. idc if they claim they will support the galaxy s better, they've claimed that **** on multiple phones before, and yet never delivered. They're word is as good as **** coming out my ass.

Not only that, but when i was in the sprint store, i talked to 2 sprint reps about the epic vs evo. First i asked if they tested both phones, to which they answered yes. Then i asked which one they liked more, and both said the evo. Won't go into the details, but pretty much everything i've mentioned in this thread is the reason why they didn't like it.

They complained about the capacitive buttons, force closing on multiple apps, and both commented on the horrible service provided by samsung. There was some other things they mentioned, but i don't have time to type it all up. I also asked if they liked the better processor and gpu and stuff, and they said it wasn't much of a difference. Although the screen is better, they just didn't seem it would of been justifying to switch to samsung for better hardware, when their software has always been buggy at best.

Anyways, at the end of the day, i would work with htc over samsung.

edit: also as you claim, them supporting galaxy s better than before. Isn't captivate a galaxy s phone? what happened there? oh that's right, they were talking out their ass.
[EVO 4G General] gTen:
Have you thought the possibility that maybe the capacitive buttons are no issue as well? plus there were different degrees of screen separations...some people reported their touch screens stopped working altogether..

As stated..HTC support was worse before...but you still gave them a chance..why?

Yes..sprint reps..the most reliable source ever...

So far my Epic works flawlessly...no force closing, and buttons work fine..idk :/...as for processor and GPU..you will only notice that if you play videos, flash(once we get froyo), and gaming...that doesn't mean they did that...once gingerbread comes out though the difference will be a lot bigger.

That said since I was not there for the convo, a person can easily get someone to bend either way depending on how you talk...not saying that you did but a better indicator is a person who used both for a long period of time and is here to make his point.

And thats fine..but at the end of the day can we not bash the Epic for no reason?

They are supporting the Captivate...can you be more specific to what you are trying to imply?
[EVO 4G General] Last-Chance:
I never waited for htc, this is my second htc phone and both worked fine. And it doesn't matter if they had bad support 4-5 years ago, samsung STILL has worst support. Meaning samsung is 4-5 years behind htc in support.

As for sprint reps, even if they aren't the most reliable, they are supporting htc over samsung, with the same points I've been making. Meaning they also know about the problems samsung has. Not only that, but they would of actually recommended epic if they wanted to sell me the phone and make more % on the sales (since epic costs more), but they told me evo was better.

As for the captive, they've had gps issues and other software issues that have yet to be fixed. Yes there are some "mods" and stuff to fix it, but no official release from samsung to fix it.
[EVO 4G General] gTen:
4-5 years? how about like last year?

Do they make money on sales or contracts? I don't think the price of the phone really matters...(I'm not 100% sure though)..but even if it is..they'll make what $1-2 more? That said..it just means that the reps were poorly educated...whichever is better aside both phones are their top 2 tier phones..so it is their job to try to suggest both to you and offer advice...if they failed to do that either they are uneducated or you told them something that made them think the Epic isn't for you(They actually have a chart for that in their playbook lol).

Yes, samsung promised a fix in September..they aren't ignoring it..
[EVO 4G General] scooter185:
good luck getting froyo let alone gingerbread.
[EVO 4G General] gTen:
We will 100% get froyo as they will also have Froyo on international Galaxy S in September as well..we might get a delay on the Epic variant due some issues with TW3 (Epic has TW2.5 for now due to the issue)...as for Gingerbread I can't say for sure..but there are positive signs as Samsung said that the Galaxy Tab will get Gingerbread..and since Galaxy Tab is very similar to the Galaxy S phones, as far as development wise there should be no reason why Samsung won't do it....unless they want to be jerks on purpose lol..but its hard to tell at this point as we don't even know if EVO will get Gingerbread or not yet.
[EVO 4G General] Last-Chance:
considering the dev team for evo is a lot larger then samsungs, i'm pretty sure we will get gingerbread. Even if it's not official release. Can't say the same for samsung though.
[EVO 4G General] gTen:
Actually if you consider the size of all the Galaxy S devices it is larger then the EVO and still growing...In the end the Galaxy S is gonna hit 110 countries and 125 carriers..so I can safely say the development community will not be the issue..and considering even moment got 2.2 by the community even though it has a smaller community.
[EVO 4G General] cosine83:
Unless you have hundreds of user apps (I have 60-ish), the chance that you will run out of room is slim to none. Most apps are under a megabyte and I've never seen an app larger than Angry Birds beta which sits at a whopping 11MB.

Anyone that deludes themselves into thinking that Samsung is going to give any kind of support for the Epic after 6 months has never owned a Samsung device. They might do a patch release or maybe release FroYo but the odds of Gingerbread or them fixing any of the already present issues is pretty small. They have a horrible track record of supporting their devices past the 6 month mark. The Moment's 2.1 came at just over 6 months and there hasn't been anything since despite the issues it had not being fixed. The FroYo for it that was developed at SDX is okay but it's nothing that I would call stable or snappy, imo.

Also, the Epic has been rooted. http://forum.sdx-developers.com/epic-development/adb-root-exploit-test/
[EVO 4G General] fkm6180:
Couldnt have worded ne of this better...
[EVO 4G General] fkm6180:
Coludnt have worded this ne better...
[EVO 4G General] heygrl:
Why did you bump this dumbass thread?

The T-Mobile Vibrant is about to get an update that ENHANCES more things than we can count on two hands so the OP is obviously too simple minded to understand. Keep lying to yourself about how the Epic doesn't have root. God I couldn't believe what I was reading, it was either trolling or a high level of stupidity at it's best

You want to know why the update took so long?

They we're actually working on giving us an update that didn't just fix the GPS - but one that included several enhancements that makes you APPRECIATE the fact that we waited for them to do something great. They listened to a number of complaints, and tried to address all of them. What we got was a phone that is even more feature packed than when it was originally released and next to bug FREE.
[Nexus One General] innisdb:
For those of u who got replacements from HTC with an unlocked bootloader, did you guys tell them it was rooted before u sent it in or sent it in hoping they wouldn't notice?
[Nexus One General] tokenwoken:
I didn't tell them and they didn't ask any questions when they accepted my phone.
[Nexus One General] vim0314:
did you do a replacement or repair?

replacement - they send you a different nexus one and you send your back

repair - send your phone in and wait couple days/weeks for them to fit it and send it back...

which one did you do?

because I got dust in my screen and want to get it replaced. (since it has an engraving in it when I bought it used and I don't want the engraving).
[Nexus One General] tokenwoken:
I opted for the replacement.
[Nexus One General] vim0314:
so no problems at all? they just held an amount on your credit card then gave it back when you sent the phone back?

the dust is bothering me a little. might call and try to get a replacement.

whats the whole deal with the different screens?
[Nexus One General] innisdb:
ya does anyone notice any significant difference between amoled and slcd?