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[Epic 4G Accessories] jbing89:
LOLZ at the dsi pic

I was interested in the macro lens because some of the stuff on macroaday.com are pretty sweet coming off of a phones camera, I know they are big and, well I guess dumb looking, but I was just looking at messing around with the camera. Certainly wasn't planning on keeping the lens on all the time and flashing it around like a fashion statement.

Just bought the marco lens off of deal extreme, ill post some pics if they come out decent.
[Epic 4G Accessories] chococrazy:
Those things are just jewelers loupes in a case.... If you want go on ebay buy a 20x jewelers loupe, and you'll be getting the best macro's in the world. Fish eye's & everything else are a bit different, but the macro is just a magnifying jewelers loupe.... A pretty low magnifying one at that.
[Epic 4G Accessories] genax:
why not use digital variations of lenses you can find free on the marketplace?
[Epic 4G Accessories] chococrazy:
He's talking about optical/physical features. Much better quality.
[Epic 4G Accessories] javahead76:
Waaallllll-eeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[Epic 4G Accessories] othan1:
Any follow up?
[Legend General] aneesh45:
For some reason, I'm unable to receive the OTA update1. Im currently on the stock 1.32.720.1. Shipped ROMs also doesn't have this update. Can anyone help me?
[Legend General] smartvinu:
Did u got any solutions .. ??? Same problems for me too
[Legend General] gallery:
I am also in the same product code
[Legend General] nutunited:
For some reason there is no upgrade path from 1.32.720.1, only from 1.32.720.2. I guess the only real solution if you have to get to 2.05.720.1 is to find somebody that has it installed - if they can pull the ROM off their phone you should be able to flash it. But I'm no expert and have no idea exactly how they would do that...

Maybe somebody else could provide more enlightenment?
[Legend General] smartvinu:
Some body having stock Indian rom?
[Legend General] TheGrammarFreak:
You don't want 2.05, you want 2.03
[Legend General] BlaY0:
It's 720 man, not 405! That's India not WWE...

Sent from my HTC Legend
[Legend General] lessirey:
I do, and now iam on stock 2.05.

I received two OTA updates after purchase.

Htc india doesn't usually get delays when it comes to updates (when updates are released for unbranded handsets)
[Legend General] smartvinu:
Can you extract the system image of your phone. This can be done using soft root
[Legend General] lessirey:
I have soft root, how do I extract it ?

Btw, what purpose does it serve actually?
[Legend General] smartvinu:
Since HTC had pulled off the OTA update from 1.32.720.1 to 1.32.720.2

We are not able to unroot the phone ..

So if we get the system imgae then it can be done ....

Can u help me in that .. ??

With soft root can u try this ...

Check if this works without any error ...
[Legend General] BlaY0:
adb pull won't work on soft rooted phone coz value of ro.secure in default.prop is still 1.

Sent from my HTC Legend
[Legend General] lessirey:
So there ain't any workaround without full root?
[Legend General] BlaY0:
It is. First push busybox to /data/local. Do adb shell and then su to gain root shell. Change permissions of busybox so it becomes executable, then try using tar from busybox to pack /system into a nice compressed archive on /sdcard. After that you can adb pull that archive to your PC.

Sent from my HTC Legend
[Legend General] smartvinu:
Thanks blayo

Can someone try that..
[Legend General] smartvinu:
Here is the process described by blayo in detail

Here is the method

Make sure that your phone is soft rooted using some soft rooting methods

Also there is ~400 MB Free space in the SD Card

Step 1: Push the busybox binary (http://10stones.com/and_bin/busybox) to the /data/local

Step 2 : Go to the shell

Step 2 : Make busybox executable

Step 3 : Go to the root folder

Step 4 : Tar the system

Step 5 : Upload the system-img.tar
[Legend General] BlaY0:
U forgot su after adb shell!

Sent from my HTC Legend
[Legend General] smartvinu:
Oops forgot. Updated the post
[Legend General] smartvinu:
No one ready to upload?
[EVO 4G General] CollegeFresh:
Nice review. I also agree that the hi-res screen of the iPhone 4 looks good, but I would rather have a bigger screen. Also if you want epic battery then just go flash baked snack. With that rom and his custom kernel I get around 50 hours with light to moderate usage, and my friend who has the iphone only gets around a day and a half of battery.
[EVO 4G General] mendez_v:
What kernel are you using with baked snack to get 50hrs?? And how much do you use your phone?
[EVO 4G General] smarcin:
+1 Please tell us! I'm using Fresh 3.2.0.0 with the kernel it comes with. I text a lot, and use the internet a lot. I have WeatherBug updating, run gps most of the time (not for Maps, but other stuff) and get maybe 10 hrs of use before I'm down to 20% or less, depending on how much talking I do. I know I could do better if I shut off gps and locations...Oh, yeah, and I have this app, Craigsnotificator running. It downloads craigslist stuff every 15 min...

Thanks.
[EVO 4G General] ms79723:
do you have to be running the baked Rom in order to use its kernel?
[EVO 4G General] NCHEVYHEVN:
There are a few features that the iPhone has Android beat in. The overall smoothness of the scrolling is better. Pinch to zoom also has a nice smooth effect. I like how Apple makes all of their icons the same shape and size where as Android icons are all over the place. And of course the camera and overall polish is better.
[EVO 4G General] teomorell:
Something I envy from IPhone... It's VPN works. Without it, Android cannot be rated for business.
[EVO 4G General] nvius:
Good review and I agree with all your points. Exactly what I think and tell my friends who ask of my opinion.
[EVO 4G General] CollegeFresh:
If you download baked snack 1.7 from Hero's thread it comes default with kernel 6 which is what I use. I also use other tweaks to get long battery such as spareparts end button behavior when go to sleep, ultimate juice (or juice defender), and setCPU with a 245/245 screen off profile.

I used my phone light to moderate for my last charge and got around 50 hours and for my current charge I have been using it moderate to heavy and am at around 30 hours with 34% battery left.

Oh I also use craigslist notification.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
A little background, I'm an owner of both and do work in UX/Design/Marketing. That said, overall, they both have positives and negatives but if I were to do a check list, I'd put more positives on the iPhone 4 side.

The user experience in iOS 4 is way ahead of Froyo. There's really no argument here. The EVO w/ Sense was almost intolerable to me. But once I flashed the EVO w/ CM/AOSP, it felt a WHOLE LOT BETTER. Not as good as iOS 4 but definitely good enough. I'm confident that Gingerbread/3.0 will take a huge step towards matching the UX/UI; so as long as I'm on AOSP, I'll be satisfied. But like I said, iOS is just better right now. This also applies to 3rd party apps.

Hardware wise, the GPU in the EVO is a major let down. The back camera on the iPhone 4 seems to be a little better and the front camera is SIGNIFICANTLY better (all despite being smaller MP-wise). The actual display also seems better with the exception that I prefer the 4.3" size of the EVO. In terms of build, the iPhone 4 feels and looks better. And the battery is heck of a lot better on the iPhone 4, but you can make an argument that it doesn't matter since I can generally get more use out of the EVO since I always carry a spare charged battery. Overall, the iPhone 4 is better hardware-wise; and if it was ~4.3", it'd be damn near perfect. Of course the antenna issue is very, very real; and in my case it's way too easy to drop the signal.

So why do I have a EVO? The size is NICE. I also have a huge dependence on Gmail + Google Voice, and you can't beat the integration of both services on Android. Lastly, 4G tethering. I regularly get 6-9 Mbps out of Sprint's WiMax (though I get a respectable 4Mbps w/ the iPhone 4). It's just too bad that I have to nandroid back to Sense for that. Overall though, the EVO is a solid phone that I think will start to take away my attention from the iPhone 4 when Gingerbread finally drops.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Sense can be overwhelming for simple people, but in no way shape or form is iOS better than Android, sorry. The reason the user experience is ahead of it is because its so dumbed down. No options, no configuration, no multitasking, wifi-only video chat, antenna issues, proximity issues.. of course battery last more, the phone does less. And how on Gods earth are you getting 4mbps? I call BS on that one... Battery? I get approximately 24 hours of moderate use on stock 2.1 (give or take). Then again theres no signal in my home so im sure it would be 30+ hours if my signal was strong at home.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
Your wrong on a lot of this. UI/UX is subjective.. but I think I have a bit more experience in that field than you. Sense was badly designed, don't agree? Fine, but you'll find it hard to find a professional who disagrees. No multi-tasking? Seriously, where have you been? Multi-tasking is there, and although just semi-introduced to Froyo, the old push notifications are a whole lot better than the battery sucking syncing that Android has. WiFi only video chat? Ever heard of Fring? Yeah, it's on iOS too. Antenna issues, brought it up. 4Mbps, um, HSPA. It's very obvious that you've never used a iPhone 4.
[EVO 4G General] felacio:
I gotta disagree with you there. Using any custom kernel on the forums here and LauncherPro, scrolling through screens and the browser feels smoother than the iPhone.

Pinching and zooming is still rough though. And I do agree about the icons. IPhone, aesthetically is supierior, in terms of symetrics. Lol

... I find that hard to believe. I'm using BS 1. 7 with kernel 6 and with moderate to heavy use I got about 10 hours. Do you have like.. NO widgets? Have it turned off most the day? LOL. Sorry, but 50hrs? Really? You have got to be using a 3500mah battery.

...in 1943, I killed a drifter.
[EVO 4G General] superlinkx:
Ha Ha Ha! I lol'd at the push notifications on iOS are better than Android? Think again. Everyone knows the iPhone has the WORST notifications system in the history of phones. It uses a decent amount of power too. Android's syncing isn't all that power consuming, if you set it up right. Push email is about the same on both platforms in terms of power. Sense might not be all that great, but I'll take it over iOS. Seriously, the iPhone homescreen SUCKS. There's absolutely nothing to it. Its just a grid of icons. That shouldn't even be considered design. Anyways, glad to hear someone else's take, but iOS isn't all that great and Android has it beat in a lot of areas, just not out of the box user simplicity. Give someone an Android for a week though, and they'll be running laps around an iPhone power user.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Typical fanboy. Sense = personal opinion... it's SOMETHING compared to iPhone's plain black background (wait you can change it now) but I don't use sense anyway. HSPA, you would be the first person i've ever heard of reaching these speeds, but then again I don't follow AT&T's horrible network. Multi-tasking? Semi-introduced in Froyo? Are you high? Let's not get into that as we both know it really does not exist on the iPhone. Fring... eh i'll give you that, completely forgot about it, but for the sake of arguing if you don't know about it and you're the typical user, you won't hear it about it and are stuck on wifi-only chatting to only other iPhones. Btw, all my syncs happen once a day and all my notifications still come in as they arrive, I don't see a reason why anyone needs anything syncing every 15 minutes.
[EVO 4G General] felacio:
I agree, sense may not be great, but ill take sense over iOS most days. Gimme vanilla with LauncherPro and ill never look twice at iOS. Apple has such a strangle hold on the market that its counter productive. They ate stifling innovation by having an iron grip on developers, and their ability to release pretty much anything and have the mainstream fall over itself to get one.. no matter how flawed.. is nausiating.

...in 1943, I killed a drifter.
[EVO 4G General] bomix:
Camera

Camera is the biggest things for me. I compared it to a friends IP4, and he scored a win.. Evo keeped showing blurry faces when people moved around. so disappointing esp when it comes to important moments in your life. IPhone 4 is a good phone, after I got hands on I was impressed, GUI of Iphone still looks and feels like the first gen Iphone.. boring.. I might switch to the EPic
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
What are you talking about? It's obvious that you to don't know what is being discussed. We're talking about cloud based notifications. Let me give you a simple example. On Facebook you can set it to poll data, say, every 15 minutes. So every 15 minutes the Facebook app will use bandwidth/power to check for updates that might not even be there. What iOS has done, and what Android will soon do too, is that it has a server where services like Facebook can ping to notify it that there are new updates, that server then pings the user back and downloads the new data. So you basically get instant notifications only when there is new data to download. This not only saves battery but also gives you near real time notifications.

It's a shame what this discussion has turned into. I look at things objectively, and I can't believe how emotional everybody has gotten over this. I broke my first EVO and bought my second one for full retail. You really thinking I'm some kind of biased fanboy?

I was working on a ton of things for the EVO, including a theme that vastly improves the appearance of HTC Sense but now I'm thinking about keeping it private. If this is how the XDA community really is, I'm probably best off doing that.
[EVO 4G General] Award Tour:
A quick last response, and my last in this thread.

Multi-tasking works just about the same in iOS as it does in Froyo. Look up the architecture/APIs and see for yourself. What was semi-introduced to Froyo is cloud based notifications. You argument about fring can be said about Android too. HSPA certainly reaches those speeds, and to be honest, I didn't realize it until I started testing the speed of my EVO/4G. Take care my friend. Hopefully one day you can become a fan of good tech instead of imaginary lines.
[EVO 4G General] jasonziter:
As a former AT&T customer......

Agree.....agree....agree. 4mbps.....I wanted to wait to see who called BS on that one. Maybe on WiFi. Never over the network did I see speeds even CLOSE to that (and I understand the IP4 has such significant upgrades to it that the bottleneck loosens a bit, but THAT much as compared to 3g...i don't know).

After 2 years of using the 3g I can say I got tired of it after 1. Way too dumbed down. Android DOES what Iphone 2-3-4 can't do....out of the box.

Root your Android....there is just simply no comparison. Retina display? Over......size and close resolution? I don't understand higher resolutions on a tiny screen anyhow.

It is a pretty phone....the IP4. Ill give ya that, and overall pretty good, but there is a reason android is gaining in market share and IP4 is loosing its 54%. There are several reasons (all hugely valid) in fact, but Ill let someone else list those....i'm rambling. All of this rambling is just from a prior AT&T user who got tired of the charging for an addiction to something that is, overall, and inferior drug. So, now, I get my better drug from a different dealer......unlimited...and at a cheaper price.
[EVO 4G General] c3hutson:
Lol... did this make anyone else laugh?
[EVO 4G General] jasonziter:
Its funny....but only because its TRUE.

It did. Me.............BUT

Directed to the person whom you quoted:

Dude.......you better develop some VERY thick skin in here. XDA is notorious for having some pretty nasty trollers / flamers. Get used to it man. Thats all I can say. Blow em off and move on. There are some pretty cool chaps in here as well and its worth it to blow off the hoards of fools / egotists to make some good connections and learn as much as you can.

Because, remember, this still is the single most complete repository for all things Android. Some folks in here truly want to help. Others have nothing better to do than fill the void in their lives with belittling your "Noobness".

Just wait and see how many flamers / trollers post replies to my prior post.
[EVO 4G General] detusueno:
i'm not laughing. i was looking forward to his theme :( oh wait i know him in rl and am using that theme now :)

everyone needs to chill this is just the internet.
[EVO 4G General] notown775:
I am... EVO vs iPhone discussions always end with someone storming off like a small child. its the same with all the "what rom is better" threads.. its all personal choice.

Sent from my Satan fone
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Multi-tasking in the iOS is is just a "freeze" frame of the apps last image, it doesn't actually continue running in the background as Android does (unless there's been some update I'm not aware of). Fring? Not really - Qik equipped, any phone with a front facing camera. I am a fan of good tech, which is why I am in this forum and not on the iPhone forum, why are you here if iOS is superior to the Evo? I personally don't buy something that's inferior to something else, waste of $ don't you think?

I'm not saying the iOS is a bad phone, but definitely not superior to Androids nowadays. iOS is a thing of the past and a downgrade coming from Android. iOS was the phone to have, 4 years ago, no anymore.
[EVO 4G General] Last-Chance:
forgot to mention all the cons of ios4. Like no flash support ;)
[EVO 4G General] detusueno:
that update was called ios 4. lol. he has both because he likes both. pretty simple thing to understand.
[EVO 4G General] omegasun18:
these threads always get out of hand. I personally am not a fan of the iphone mainly because of the lack of customization of the iOS AND Apples business practices. Is the iphone a bad phone in an of itself ... no is it the god of all phones apple fans will have you believe ... not even close.

The big difference is if you dont like the sense ui ... you can download several different quality launchers to change i.... if you dont like the iOS ui ... well um ... er.... at least your background doesnt have to be black now.

I agree with an earlier post is is nauseating how apple can put out a flawed product and still have the average consumer and media tripping over one another to buy it heralding it as the wave of the future.

When ipads were announced 100s of posts showed up on Amazon about the death of the kindle (which didnt happen because 90% of kindle owners want a device to simply read books not a touchscreen netbook that doesnt do as much). When iPhone 4 was comign same thing death of android the new iphone is coming omgomgwtfbbq. its just ... sad. most of those people spouting off have done no research on alternatives and are brainwashed into the appleclub. i dont see it going away anytime soon so i jsut enjoy knowing that i dont support a company that single handedly raised the price of ebooks 50%, or that has such a death grip that big companies like adobe are turning there back on it or that have patents out for the ability to brick your phone if it is jail broken.

as for threatening not to release content because people disagree with you in a completely and utterly subjective post ... well thats up to you but you sound pretty petty and childish for saying it. release it or dont i am sure everyone's lives will go on either way.

*end rant*
[EVO 4G General] detusueno:
me and award tour work together. he honestly likes both and is probably the only creative person that i've known that uses windows 7 exclusively to develop and design. he's no fanboy and just likes to have good gadgets.

i'm only here cause he told me about this thread and we've been joking about how things like this automatically happen.

as for being childish about threatening to not release content, i don't knock him. he put a lot of work in this theme. a lot of work. it's one thing to be amateur and put out amateur work and another to put a lot of time and skill to release a "production level" theme. getting insulted by rabid trolls for loving both isn't a welcoming sign.
[EVO 4G General] ckombo:
I switched to an Evo about two weeks after I upgraded to iOS4 on my iphone 3g. My phone went from being "normal" to a miserable, slow pig. My theory is that Apple allowed people with the iphone 3g to update their software knowing that it would drastically slow down the phone, hoping to increase their sales of the iphone 4. Everyone I have talked to that has upgraded tells me how slow their phone is now. You think Apple would warn existing iphone 3g users of this before upgrading??? Of course not. Also, there is no way to downgrade the software unless you are jailbroken (and even then it is a little tricky for the avg user). How convenient. I got so fed up with how slow the phone became, that I decided it was time for an upgrade. My attitude at this point was, f*ck Apple and Steve Jobs. I liked my iphone up until that point. Then I got an Evo. I love my Evo, and I'm glad I switched. So I guess I can thank Apple and Mr. Jobs for helping me make the switch.

I'm sure the iphone 4 is a great phone. I bet it also beats the Evo in certain categories (camera quality for sure). So maybe it would be fair to say that each phone is "better" for certain users. I view the Evo as being more productive and the iphone as being more fun.
[EVO 4G General] felacio:
I agree with both. Getting flamed isn't fun. But it happens, you have to just ignore it and continue. I can guarantee if he released his theme and it was up to snuff... absolutely nobody here would go "your the guy that was dissing the EVO! Eff your theme!" Because nobody would even remember.

But threatening to not release it is a ridiculous move which some people might remember. And then having his friend come defend him is something else some might remember. It did kindof come off a little arrogant too. I'm just saying, not slamming either of you. Just seemed that way.

Oh that is a good point. The 3g runs terribly with iOS4 and in terms of CPU power is identical to the 1g. Yet, the 1st gen iPhone isn't allowed iOS4 but the 3g is. Which.. in the end.. kinda screws both players. One feels they are being forced to upgrade cause there phones are too old and the other feels there phone is too slow with the new update, so they get the "new tech jitters" a lot sooner than they would have if they didn't update.

...in 1943, I killed a drifter.
[EVO 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
I call iOS 4 "freeze frame" .... it freezes apps in the background, they don't keep running, that's not multi tasking. Let me give you a crazy example...

Android - If i leave my bedroom dirty and when I come back its clean, that's multi-tasking.

With the iPhone, when you leave your room and you come back, nothing changed because nothing is running in the background (some apple approved apps can) - for God's sake one of their biggest things was "now you can turn on Pandora and leave it and do something else!!!!! OMG!!!!!"

Btw, I had my iPhone as well since it first came out, remember when MMS wasn't allowed, bluetooth didnt exist, wallpaper's couldn't be changed... you know things my old Razr could do... God, at that time I was starting to miss my Sidekick
[EVO 4G General] detusueno:
i've seen a 3G with 4.0 and it's horrible but to play devils advocate how many android phones will officially get the latest android version 2 years from now? 2 years from today the iphone 4 will prob be running ios 6, where will the evo be at? still froyo? maybe gingerbread?
[EVO 4G General] detusueno:
i feel like i'm taking award tours place but hey i'm on his cpu right now anyway. lol.

ios 4 has 3rd party background apps. i'm not sure where you've been at but thats one of the biggest updates to ios4. stuff like pandora and skype can run in the background doing what ever they need to do.

dont take my word for it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0WdfJbb8lI