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[EVO 4G General] nfaust01:
Well after reading this thread i just had to try the rom out.

He are my personal findings and one should just test the rom if in doubt. every one will have different preferences.

The rom was fast and smooth but i lacked the UI friendliness that sense brings to the table. Also even though it was fast i find any sense rom (Baked Snack in this case) that use the nat-toast kernal to be even faster. This may be due to some settings in the cm6 rom that i did not change but from flash with no changes the Baked Snack seemed faster. Also the current roms for sense have functions of the evo working that cm6 does not. This post is not to bash cm6 at all, mearly to try and explain how one can not judge a BEST ROM by listening to others. You have to try it for yourself. All in all i think cm6 IS A GREAT ROM and that it is not overrated, it is just not the rom for me.
[EVO 4G General] dglowe343:
Just like your failed interpretation of what I originally posted. I never said Gingerbread will see Sense. Only that I hope it will. If you had actually read what I posted instead of jumping into flame mode you would've understood that. But you're right, there's a good chance by the time 3.0 hits, many of us will be close to an upgrade.
[EVO 4G General] mmegalodon:
"Like, OMG."

Just let this thread disappear.
[EVO 4G General] Blackcircle:
You are one of the few that stuck to the op question. Everyone else is just hating on this guy just because he had something to say about caynogen Rom (wich are good points BTW). THE MAN IS NOT HATING ON CYANOGEN! Just asked for some intelligent input as to why everyone is jumping on the cyanogen boat when some features do not work properly. I don't have an answer for him....I just felt the guy deserves some credit for the question. How else is he going to ask? His wife? That's what this forum is for.
[EVO 4G General] engagedtosmile:
You have to realize that CM6 is built from scratch. It isn't based on HTCs roms with each developers individual "tweaks and settings" in it. They built it from the ground up to work with multiple phones and they are working on 4G just for the Evo. The CM team has been doing awesome work since the early days of the G1. Just because it doesn't have 4G, HDMI, etc now doesn't mean it isn't going to. The CM team has to do a lot more work on CM6 than any other developer out there does right now.

Overrated? No way. They should have the most respect out of the entire community.
[EVO 4G General] illogic6:
It may not make a whole ton of sense to someone new to Android... but just wait until Sprint declares that only the EVO 2 will receive an Android 3.0 update. You all will be begging for CyanogenMod 7 then.

Anyone remember the HTC Dream? That was my phone three phones ago. It's still being updated because it was supported by Cyanogen.

CyanogenMod is the only thing Android has going for it right now that is actually working against fragmentation of the platform.

So in short.. CyanogenMod is not an overrated Android ROM. CyanogenMod IS Android.

Ugh... I'm staying away from this thread from this point on. It's not good for my blood pressure.
[EVO 4G General] nebenezer:
When that day comes I for one will be eagerly awaiting CM7 fo sho.. so I can put it on my EVO 2 :D
[EVO 4G General] Land Master:
The OP is a troll. Plain and simple. When he was ignored in the CM6 thread he posted this drivel here trying to stir up $hit.
[EVO 4G General] jdesai2008:
Here are my views on Cyanogen's rom.

Since I am a Cricket customer, any sense ROM consistently shoots out a Data Call Failure every 20-30 minutes. If you look around, it is an issue with Cricket customers only. Using the Cyanogen 6.0 rom, the problem is resolved. No other ROM solves this problem. I get consistent data with no disconnections.

Secondly, my voicemail works perfectly with AOSP roms. I don't like to hassle with removing Sprint Visual Voicemail. When flashing this rom, I automatically get my voicemail notifications.

I love the way that Sense looks and feels, but a lot of phone operations are much more laggy on Sense vs. AOSP. My battery life used to be horrible on Sense roms, but with Cyanogen 6.0 + Snap 8.2, my battery lasts a whole lot longer. I'm not going to get into the whole light usage/heavy usage stuff because no one agrees on what light and heavy really mean!

For me, 4G has no meaning to me since I am using it on Cricket's 3G network. My speeds are very good. I wish I could somehow link my Clear 4G to my EVO, but I doubt that is possible.

HDMI would be nice, but honestly I don't see myself using it too much. I use my phone too much for business (emails/google voice/craigslist posting/wifi analyzing/etc....) so I will leave HDMI strictly to my PS3.

Picture mail will soon be nonexistent with the growing use of mobile email. Me and my friends prefer to send pictures via email these days rather than picture mail. I feel picture mail was the thing of last decade. Email has larger file limits, and with features like Facebook uploading and Qik, I never feel the need to use picture messaging.

Remember, this is just my opinion on the subject matter. I don't need people calling me names or telling me that I don't know what I am talking about. I know what I am talking about, and that's why I am sharing my OPINION.
[EVO 4G General] illogic6:
Agreed. My MMS works fine on CM6. This might be just me, but I get annoyed when someone sends me a MMS. If I need to send a friend a picture, I imageshack it and email/sms them the link after running it through bit.ly. There's apps on the market to do that for you.
[EVO 4G General] prettyboyrob2007:
you can link clear 4g to your evo. i do it all the time its awesome.
[EVO 4G General] jdesai2008:
Please do tell your secret. I'd love to be able to do that. :)
[EVO 4G General] twilk73:
I understand you are not flaming so I will give you my reasoning for liking CM6 :)

I love the none sense AOSP platform. I like the easy teather and I like the fact that the ADW and Cyan settings are neatly placed in the settings tab. No extra Apps for the cyan setting. No extra Teather app. Its quick.. you know that :) Other roms are quick too though. The full AOSP is the big thing for me. I love ADW so its as if this rom was designed for me. Yeah I can load ADW on any rom and some roms have AOSP features but this rom doesnt just have it, it is it. This translate to a lot more free space in my memory.

So I think you left out some pro's

1. extra space on memory.

2. no sense for those of us that dont like sense. (Sense isnt bad I am not hating on it. I just like ADW a lot more. I also only use two screens)

3. Settings for ADW and Cyan are neatly placed in settings tab.

4. There are so many tweaks where do I start, you can change your notification bar color you have the battery percent setting without loading any flash kernals or anything. You can teather without needing the extra app. You can adjust the heptic feedback, you can increase the sound for notifications to a higher sound then stock. My email doesnt poll at 5 minutes anymore I think its pushed standered? I dont know what else I am missing here lol but I figured this out

WE NEED A GREAT CM6 description thread. One that telles everyone what CM6 has to offer. All yo uever hear is CM6 is fast.. a lot of roms are fast though so who cares. There are featurs in CM6 that other roms dont have and no one ever talks about them lol.

The only cons to CM6. No HDMI, no FM radio, no 4G, no sms over 160 and the voicemail issue. There are work arounds for the voicemail, theres pandora and other apps for the radio and 4G isnt everywhere alothough I get 4g I live fine without it. I still have my great home internet connect so with wifi I can do any download I want with my phone. Althogh Id love 4g with this rom so I can teather to my PS3 and see if it lags when I play on line that way lol. The HDMI some use it some dont.

There are pros and cons with every rom though right? This rom is great, I understand your not downing it I am not trying to talk it up I am just trying to give my opinion hopefully its not one sided lol.
[EVO 4G General] jasonziter:
No ken......no. please don't ignore me....pleeeeeeease. another waste of time.
[EVO 4G General] jasonziter:
This post is EXACTLY WHAT I WAS "TROLLING" FOR. NOTHING MORE! Its great. Thanks for a great...well thought out understanding / synopsis of what I've been getting at since the get go. It's about as objective as you can get without posting a bunch of numbers that don't REALLY translate to something that is....."user appreciable" to quote myself. Thanks man. I'm sure the other reasonable folks in here appreciate it as well. Gold star!!!
[EVO 4G General] jasonziter:
Yes......yes....yes.....isn't that what a q and a forum is for? Isn't that why questions are moved HERE from other forums. This forum should NOT disappear when people use it and interpret it the way it was intended and NOT an attack. I don't know how many times I have to say that. It's time to stop the misinterpretation. Attack and you will be attacked. But I have not nor will I troll for jerks. They are a waste of all of our time.

Thanks again for another intellectual response. That's like three or more today. Maybe the children are finally leaving this discussion which was intended for mature and thought provoking questions/responses.
[EVO 4G General] mmegalodon:
Sweet triple post bro
[EVO 4G General] jasonziter:
Just got home from work. Wanna be a responsible op......right?????
[EVO 4G General] jasonziter:
Still here huh......with your bs one worthless hater post before this.....don't you have a job or something.....something to be.......oh.....say.....PRODUCTIVE.
[EVO 4G General] dglowe343:
Honestly, this was a question that someone would've asked eventually and one I've considered. I've used Cyanogen's work since the G1 days and have nothing but respect for him. Something being over rated often occurs due to its maker's laziness. That will never happen from Cyanogen although his roms will never be for everyone. I think the thread title provoked a lot of the users more than anything. Using Cyanogen and over rated in the same sentence on xda is like mixing bleach and ammonia. It's never going to turn out good. A title like "Why do YOU use CM6?" may have been more well received. I've only been a steady user here since getting my EVO back in June and it seems to me its not so much WHAT YOU SAY, but rather HOW YOU SAY IT. Attitude is a little harder to perceive when simply reading words as opposed to physically speaking to someone. Had you asked this question to hardcore CM fans face to face, I doubt the responses would've been so hostile. Just thought I'd share something I think I've learned recently.
[EVO 4G General] jdesai2008:
I am also a long time Cyanogen follower. Once I realized that all my Cricket issues were resolved after flashing Cyanogen's ROM on my CDMA Hero, I stuck with it. Once I got my EVO and saw that there was a Cyanogen ROM for the EVO, I was smiling throughout the whole download. I've tried all other ROMs for the EVO, but Cyanogen is what does it for me!

and if anyone can tell me if/how it is possible to link my Clear 4G to my EVO, I would greatly appreciate it :)
[EVO 4G General] edtate:
Simple answer: no.
[EVO 4G General] bjb_nyj101:
You really need to stop drinking the CM Kool-Aid. MILLIONS of people are happily using an Android phone that have no idea what "cyanogen" or "xda" is. He certainly is not Android.

Lies...

Why the hell would anyone want to do that when sending an MMS is so freakin' simple? In the time it takes for you to email/sms them the link you could have already attached the picture to said email or made the sms an mms by attaching the image.
[EVO 4G General] Brutal-Force:
I decided to add my two cents. I think the CM6 is a lovely ROM.

I however, use Fresh. I live in a 4G area and get 6 Mbps down. I get about the same on Wifi, unless I am sitting on the router.

I could care less about HDMI and Radio.

Unfortunately the 4G is just too big a reason for me to move over to CM6. At my job the internet is locked out with Baracuda web filter, so using their wifi is out of the question.

I am also fond of the Sense Widgets and have not been too impressed with their replacements, but I could live without them if 4G worked.

And for those that don't know, you can't use Data and Cell at the same time unless your on 4G or Wifi. I tried giving driving directions to my girlfriend using google maps, unfortunately I coudln't pull it up because I was on the phone talking to her.

CM is not for everyone, but he does cover a lot of ground.
[EVO 4G General] illogic6:
Show me another ROM that is Android compiled from source. Oh, that's right. There aren't any.

I prefer Imageshack to MMS because MMS compresses images before sending. I have an 8 MP camera and I'd like my pictures to remain that crisp. There are also compatibility issues between phones at times. Also, if you know what you're doing it isn't much more difficult to do that way.

Your post is purposely inflammatory and you are an assclown.

kthx
[EVO 4G General] nebenezer:
Sending pictures via email really is just about as simple as it gets.. You can either attach it to an email from the gallery and hit send or like illogic sez just upload it and shoot the link out in an email, text, whatever. I use photobucket for image hosting and they make it too simple. I can upload images to my account right from the gallery and with 2 clicks I can have the IMG URL copied and ready to paste into a message.

OP, you do in fact wear an ass-hat and I want to thank you for digging this hole.

It has been particularly amusing watching you make such an ass of yourself.

Although I am starting to become slightly concerned for your well being based on your banal rantings in this thread.

Maybe you should consult your doctor about adjusting your prescriptions?

ps. "I feel sorry for your mother." (e-points for whoever can identify the source of that quote :D)
[EVO 4G General] hannsz:
I use CM because:

1. Until HDMI has full OS out (like my roommates Incredible. Really HTC?), I don't really care. I don't want it for movies and youtube, I want it to show off the OS, powerpoint presentations, PSX games, etc..

2. I don't live or travel into areas with 4G. Even if I had it here at home, I'd just use my internet anyway.

3. Pandora. I don't listen to the advertisement supported radio in my car, why would I listen to it on my phone?

4. MMS works fine for me. I've never used the built in messenger, even back in my G1 days. I've always liked a 3rd party app because I can backup my settings. I test out ROM's often enough and do not like setting program options over and over.

5. Google Voice handles my voicemail just fine.

CM is (close to) the way Android was intended to be released. Sense, Blur, etc... are all marketing gimmicks to get people to buy a phone. I'm a minimalist, and removing things from CM's ROMs doesn't break anything for me.
[EVO 4G General] cabbieBot:
simple answer: yes

people love the cyanogen brand. let them enjoy a castrated phone.
[EVO 4G General] nebenezer:
And others just love the HTC/Sense brand. Let them enjoy a convoluted phone?
[EVO 4G General] Learners Lisence:
This is really getting very interesting.:p

No name calling ok ?

Cyanogen is ugly. Sense is beautiful to the eye.Its classic.And it performs too.

I just want to say that there are many who follow the Cyanogen brand blindly. They dont give Sense a chance. Sense is more android than Cyanogen.

Stop , watch and think.....give it a chance to grow on you.
[EVO 4G General] nebenezer:
Sense is more android than cyanogen? How?

Sense is closed source and is property of HTC.. The only thing android about sense is the foundation it was built on.
[EVO 4G General] joackie27:
Obviously Learners Lisence doesn't know what he's talking about. Sometimes it's better to shut your mouth so you don't admit to everyone that you're an idiot! :D
[EVO 4G General] cabbieBot:
nothing but respect for their team, btw. I must have 4g and the features I spent months salivating for.

running fresh with launcher pro with king kernel is one of the best setups out there, but everyone is different.

but I don't think its a stretch to say there are more than a handful of people that let loyalty have a ton of sway in their decision. would you disagree?
[EVO 4G General] goodelyfe:
wow !!!! how condescending!!!!!

lol i guess we need some 're-educating' huh? lol... apple much?
[EVO 4G General] goodelyfe:
+1 #winning !!!
[EVO 4G General] dglowe343:
Personally, I prefer Sense but Sense is not more Android than Cyanogen. Cyanogen builds from AOSP which IS Android. Sense has more eye candy and that's what currently appeals to me but his roms are built with the purpose of being true to the Android platform. However, I don't see any problem with manufacturers wanting to add their personal touch.
[EVO 4G General] toastcfh:
Stay on topic and keep the rude comments to urself.

Also as a member of the cyanogenmod team I think those who doubt the work done in it is offensive. Many hours are spent to bring more options to the table then most rom brands. Cyanogenmod is a open source project that anyone who feels like they can do better is welcomed to. I think the point is missed in that. I don't see any other AOSP evo projects happening here either. Cyanogenmod is compiled from source and is not unzip, cp, rezip, and sign. That said.. it is faster then any sense build for that same reason. It is optimized for each device before its compiled. It also doesn't have all the extra crap that htc puts in their builds to satisfy the general public.

After all I just said I wanna point out that those are the facts. The opinion of whether or not u might wanna run cyanogenmod or not is up to each user. If u like sense then please run sense. If u like Aosp then cyanogenmod is as good as it gets. No sense in downing a groups work just because u don't like it. There are 10s of thousands of cyanogenmod users who I'm sure could tell u all the things they don't like about sense and how much better cyanogenmod is compared to it. It doesn't mean it'll make u change ur mind. That said in the end its all about opinions and there is no sense in hating on us because u do not like something we do.
[EVO 4G General] joackie27:
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this toast! BTW, nice work as always on the .34 kernel (Is there any Sense rom out there with the .34 kernel?). CM6 + Snap FTW!!!
[EVO 4G General] goodelyfe:
+ (edit by toast)1

#winning

and yea like joackie said....we running .34 kernels...

where all yall sense roms running that at? why yall so hush mouth :D
[EVO 4G General] twilk73:
Well said!

Same well said!

This argument shouldnt be about name calling and being ignorant fools. This post was started to get a debate going so people could see whats so special about CM6 or even see why people like another rom so much. Man sometimes we just feel the need to turn into ape's and bash eachother around for no real reason other then our own lack of understanding. LOL maybe we need a thread in offtopic so we can all go there to bash eachother.
[EVO 4G General] nebenezer:
You mean something like THIS??

You are formally invited :D
[EVO 4G General] twilk73:
Lol dont take this as bashing just an opinion I swear that is all.

With HTC sense I liked the widgets with AOSP I find the widgets I liked to be usless. I liked the calander widget and the favorit call widget. Other then that I didnt use any widgets. With AOSP I have Jorte for my calander and I click on the date in beautiful widgets and Jorte pops up so I dont need the callander widget. With AOSP i click on the phone icon and navigate to the left to my started contacts so its as simple as that.

I have to agree though some of the sense replacements on the market arnt up to par. Sense is very pretty and the imagry is well done. However I am a fan of use and have found a way to only use two screens. I use so many short cuts lol to get to things quickly its like my phone has become me. I cant tell you how many times I have said wow I love this phone. I have 4G in my area and man it does suck not being able to use it with CM6 lol. But its not a hinder yet because when I would normaly be running 4G is at home and I get a great wifi connectiong that covers that up.

Again not hating on you I just thought your problems where similar to mine at first but I solved them. I dont know what widgets you use so I obviously cant say I solved all your issues with mine plus it still comes down to a matter of prefrenc right. I basicly just posted this because people can see both sides this way.
[EVO 4G General] letshaveDEX:
I have to disagree with you.

I use a paid version of chompSMS just cause I don't like ads [and the native messenger] and sending MMS is PERFECT. I also send MMS with the native messaging app and it sends my pictures just fine... If my phone is on Wifi it switches to 3G to transfer the picture through the mobile data network.

(Offtopic) Btw, I don't know why everyone uses Handcent when chompSMS is clearly better?.....

Moving on, I don't use Sprint Voicemail... But even when I did, I had no voicemail problems?... I now use Google Voice, so the voicemail problem is literally invisible to me. I have never had ONE voicemail problem.

There are tons of upsides to using Cyanogen, which you obviously overlook, including changing the colors your screen displays to calibrated Nexus One profiles, a custom and powerful Power Widget, seamless music controls on the lockscreen, and other small but great features, like the ability to show your battery percentage and dB meter for your signal on the notification bar.

How is HDMI and FM Radio important features?..... I've never once found a use for my HDMI cable other than the fact I want to watch Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann in HD on my friend's HDTV....... Lol. And I've NEVER used the FM Radio app cause there's um... Pandora..........and an SD card where you can put your own music..................lol.

My biggest complaint is lack of 4G and even then, I don't have 4G in Miami, and the great things that Cyanogen outweigh the things it doesn't do.

I honestly think it's all up to preference. Some people prefer Sense, others prefer Cyanogen.
[EVO 4G General] afflaq:
your mom is overrated.
[EVO 4G General] Brutal-Force:
Yeah, for me the Sense is not the reason I don't use CM6. I could live without the sense. It is pretty, but that comes at a cost of performance. The main reason I don't use CM6 is the 4G. 3G in my area is ~0.5-1.0Mbps on a good day. 4G varies between 2-6Mbps. Since I don't have a good available Wifi at work, the lack of 4G just kills it for me. Also as the 4G Net spreads, I plan on dropping home cable internet and tethering my desktop to my phone. Great way to save 50 dollars. I just hope by then that Cyanogen has fixed 4G. As a note, I have donated to CM twice in the past and used primarily his Roms on my G1 before switching to the EVO.
[EVO 4G General] backdown:
I couldn't figure out how to load cm6, but I didn't really look at it, just a skim. I am using Evio and I love it, It's just so snappy and fast that I have no need to switch.
[EVO 4G General] jasonziter:
Wow......big guns in here. I never thought it would blossom like this. I'm actually back to cm6 after learning a ton from posts. If you use some of the posts to learn.....this thread is actually quite informative. Thanks for the stop by toast.
[EVO 4G General] nebenezer:
Blossom?

You offended people.. some of the most talented people in the smart-phone world..

Blossom is typically a reference to a flower, and flowers are typically pretty.

This thread is ugly and offensive.

I think a more appropriate and accurate description of toast's visit would be "wow.. I never thought my thread would sit here and rot long enough to stink so bad that an actual member of teamdouche would stop in to express his disappointment in me and the thread I started"

unreal

Rhetorical question: Is referring to someone as "delusional" considered name calling?
[EVO 4G General] jcalba89:
Just saying.....