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[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
Exactly correct. SE first have to get the device stabile enough to release it to market and than they have to test it to ensure that it is stable enough to release to market.

Obviously since SE are going on six months and are now planning on releasing this revision in peace mail then stability is still a question. AKA the X10 has a stability issue.
[XPERIA X10 General] kailash911:
Yes thats true, but its sad they dont support flash tough. :(. But maybe in the future HTML5 it will be more usefull...:p
[XPERIA X10 General] avez197:
So, basically, if we rooted and re-flashed to 026, we will be able to get the update when it arrives via seus and or pc companion? just curious, one click root... rogers network, same senario, ran myaccount, no trace of rogers being on my x10 a - Thanks
[XPERIA X10 General] naplesbill:
They are not releasing it in piece meal (not mail lol) fashion because of device instability. They are releasing it this way because the have not finished the updates in the UIX. This has been stated by SE officially. This is not what is referred as stability. A bug is not necessarily a stability issue. Stability means it causes the base system, or kernel, to become unstable. An app crashing is not necessarily going to cause this. Think of it in terms of Windows OS. An app can crash and close and the rest of the system is fine. Or, an app could crash a low level part of the OS and cause the entire system to become unstable. That would be a stability issue. There is absolutely no way we can assume that is happening here.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
If you debrand or root your device you will not be able to get auto updates from SEUS. Though I am sure someone here will release an update for you before December (hopefully) and you can do it manually. :mad:
[XPERIA X10 General] naplesbill:
That is only partially true. If you debrand using an X10i generic rom on an X10a device then SEUS will not work. But, if you debrand an X10i device with an X10i generic rom SEUS will still work. SEUS will also still work if you debrand an X10a device with a X10a generic rom.

I discovered this myself while messing around with different roms.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
Thank for the meal! :D

Mate, if SE are not complete or comfortable releasing a complete undate because it is "not finished in the UIX," or for what ever reason, it is because the final product would not meet their minimum qualifcations to run smooth enough for public consumption (or not run at all). That means stability. I am sorry if you do not like to CORRECT term but that is what stabilty means.
[XPERIA X10 General] avez197:
Are you planning to update before rogers? or will you wait for them and then update..
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
Wow - are you always this negative about everything.. ?

I just assumed that they've made this hard for themselves by the way they've designed Rachel.. and so it's taken them ages, added to the likelihood that they've got a lot of resource working on the next big thing..
[XPERIA X10 General] GeoffRC:
Does the issue with SEUS when you use a X10i update on a X10a phone also go to OTA or will that work?
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
That could be right, but that is really an assumption. I debranded my X1i with an X1i generic and auto updates do not work on my device. So I wouldn't hold your breath on that.
[XPERIA X10 General] naplesbill:
I have already done this several times on three different X10s. I have three in my household. All of them behave the same way so maybe it was something you did incorrectly.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
There is nothing negative about the term "stability issues". It is simply the correct terminology. I apologize if you find that term negative in any way.
[XPERIA X10 General] naplesbill:
It is a correct terminology, just not in the way you are using it.
[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
well i took it, that they are integrating a completely new and at least partly rewritten version of UIX, so "not finished" doesn't have to mean "not stable". it could just be that not all functions (!) are implemented at the moment.

it's like you would be saying Android 3.0 isn't released because of stability issues. it's not called instability if there are still lines of code missing, it's just work in progress. so they get us the update to 2.1, finish work on UIX, and then release it in Dec. You can't use "instability" as the one and only reason for everything, dude.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
I guess it is possible. However, I will mention that others who debranded the X1i's seemed to experience the same thing. It would be interesting to have another look at that, but since I only use the X1 to charge my backup X10 battery I think I will take your word.

If it is correct that could be good news for rogers customers who own X10i's.
[XPERIA X10 General] sampleit:
I dont believe thats true at all, especially on the debranding... you will still be able to upgrade after a debrand, why wouldn't you? ive never had a problem on the minor updates so far?
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
Gosh, everyone seems so sensitive about this term. LOL

So what you are saying is SE are taking over a half a year to release an update that will patch root! :D I'm only kidding, don't have a cow,,, please. :D
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
According to bill it wont be a problem. Since he says he has done it on his X10's we will have to take his word for it. In either case we will find out soon enough. *holding my breath*
[XPERIA X10 General] SXUsr:
That isn't true! I debranded my X10i using the newbies guide here and used SEUS to update to 026.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
Bill has already established that. I don't know much about roger except what I read here; are their devices a or i?
[XPERIA X10 General] avez197:
Hi, So if running rooted and de-branded 026 on x10a rogers, we would be able to update to 2.1 when it is out? Thanks
[XPERIA X10 General] pngface:
LOL

And this from the same guy who was accusing me yesterday of grammatical errors in my post. Anyway not bringing that up again

Rogers is based in Canada, so their devices are 'a's
[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
i debranded and rooted my device with fw 026, and i did get the official SEUS update to 026 that came out a few days ago to prepare for 2.1 update without problems. so i can confirm it works at least when debranding x10i to x10i...
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
LOL you just did LOL

And, I edited my post before you posted this waste of thread space :p
[XPERIA X10 General] SXUsr:
You will yes.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
To bad we don't have this answer for rogers customers, whom this issue will effect.
[XPERIA X10 General] avez197:
This sucks. Like you said, hope someone here releases something :)
[XPERIA X10 General] naplesbill:
We do have confirmation since I installed the decrypted Rogers Rom then used SEUS. Rogers and AT&T are both X10a devices.
[XPERIA X10 General] pngface:
How many times will people have to repeat it before you understand?

If you flash X10i firmware onto an X10i device, or X10a firmware onto an X10a device, you should be able to update. If you "cross-flash", then you will not be able to.

According to SE UK the update will be both OTA and through SEUS, dont know if its the same for the rest of the world.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
Like I said I flashed x1i with x1i generic and auto updates didn't work after that; and I was far from alone. But since you say that you have already done it with your 10 I will have to take your word for it. In any case, we shall see soon enough.

for me: I don't even see how this minor update will change very much of the overall experience from my point of view. Plus, I think the novelty of the changes that I will actually use will wear off pretty quickly.

What I don't understand is why SE changed their projection from Q4 to Q3. Tell everyone Q4 and release part of the update in the final days of Q3 and they would be under promising and over delivering. Move the time line forward from Q4to Q3 and wait until the last day of Q3 to release half the update and you risk alienating your customers.
[XPERIA X10 General] pngface:
They announced back in June itself that there would be 2 updates.. one beginning towards the end of Q3 and another towards the end of the year.

And unless they don't release 2.1 (they still intend on doing so btw) by the end of September, I don't see how they are alienating their customers. They are delivering what they said they would deliver. It might not be what you want, but that's what they said they will give you
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
We are all entitled to our own perceptions. Happy for you that you see it that way. See my big smile :D
[XPERIA X10 General] deebeepee:
Dont wanna get everyone excited, but I've plugged my phone into the SEUS program and it says a software update is available and its downloading it now, 141mb.

Anyone know what it is?

Curently have X10i FW1.6, Baseband 1.1.25, Kernel 2.6.29-rel with build R2BA020 and its on Virgin Mobile UK (supplied from SE factory unlocked/unbranded)
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
Probably .31 baseband and build number r2ba026.....
[XPERIA X10 General] deebeepee:
gutted, actually gutted, your right. 141mb for what??
[XPERIA X10 General] avez197:
Thanks for your reply :)
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
I found mine to feel a bit quicker, smoother.. and better battery going from 020 to 026.. that said you probably won't have it for long...
[XPERIA X10 General] SXUsr:
Update your phone obviously.
[XPERIA X10 General] Mac_33:
+1, I got my X10 from some guy who was with Rogers, so I don't even pay them (directly).
[XPERIA X10 General] jayman1986:
Has anyone checked Sony Ericsson UK Twitter page? They are being bombarded with questions about 2.1 release. Check it out via Google.

I don't do Twitter and Facebook but for anyone here who does I suggest going over there and bombarding them with the same question just so the idiots at SE can understand how we all feel.
[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
You know, this is something I can't advocate in the least.

Why be an asshole? They've said the release is coming, and being an asshole isn't going to make it come any faster.

This is why fanboys are the absolute scum of the earth, worse than anything ever seen on earth until this point.
[XPERIA X10 General] Ballfuzz:
What's messed is that I took a rogers phone, unlocked it, activated it with telus and then flashed and rooted it with 024. I'm wondering how this is going to work out.
[XPERIA X10 General] darkcell:
something that irritates me is that sony always rest with our questions
[XPERIA X10 General] alankstiyo:
at least you were able to unlock it mine is impossible to be unlocked :s stupid carrier gotta talk with sony and tell them imma live in another country or smth
[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
What do you mean...?
[XPERIA X10 General] darkcell:
has sony answered any single question, like specific date eclair will roll out? will x10 get froyo? about multitouch? 16m color? how many people asking that question...sony official always keep silent...
[XPERIA X10 General] JohnXIII:
Ahhh bloody SE...

Hey!!!

So we have reached week 38 of 2010 and still no signs of our expected firmware update.

Even worst, got specs from SE, and lots of bad news:

First of all, no 16m colors on X10 even if x10 mini does...

No Flash integration and no mention of it nowhere.

No flash for camera, we are stuck with a "light"mode.(damn them to hell)

Mediascape issues remains on certain phones(?Arf, I dont get that...)

It is now official, no 2.2 froyo on Xperia X10. Will never reach 3.0 :(

We will get 2.1x and that's it.

I wanna scream.

Even if I got myself a "special" Motorolla Droid, I just hate to see so much of my friends stuck with a great device hosting a poor OS.(SE, you should get raped by a horny bull for that one).

A lot of clients(formerly me too) got played by SE.

most of them are stuck with a 2-3 years contract with a phone that will be completely irrelevant and non-evolutive by next spring.

Meaning they will all have to buy new phones if they want to be able to get a nice smart phone experience and carry their contract to term.

Wich brings me to the following point.

Did any of you keep their SE booklet from the package?

My lawyers(well not mine, but the guys I work with) found something in there that could actually prove to our advantage:

SE is actually in breach of contract with us and the carriers, because of the following point:

They have a written contract with us that promised us an Android evolutive OS.

It actually says in there(wich is why I got an x10 in the first place) that the phone would follow on Android.

Same promise was made to Rogers in Canada(Yes they are pissed too cause they are stuck with really angry clients who now are stuck with this future paper holder/cat toy that will most likely collect dust by next summer).

To Rogers eyes, SE is in breach of contract with them, because they made promises they never delievered and now a bunch of clients are building a collective case against Roger and SE, hoping to get SE to either follow up on their promises or simply gives us some sort of compensation...

See where I'm going with that?

My lawyer friends all agree, we have a solid case against SE if we all pool together to make one consolidated case against the maker of X10.

So any opinions on that?

So, to all of us out there, let's all unite and see what kind of havok we can stir!

We will not be slave to companies who's sole endeavors are to f**k us over for cash. I say enough and let's fight for our rights to be treated like real clients.

Peace!
[XPERIA X10 General] naplesbill:
Let me guess, you have a friend that works at SE and he told you this in confidence?
[XPERIA X10 General] JohnXIII:
Nope dude.

Search for yourself on Google.

You will easily find what I'm talking about, thus proving my point.

And fyi jimbo, I'm an Android consultant for a Canadian company and started programming years ago when you where probably still feeding on your mother's milk.

Lose the pointless attitude, it aint becoming of a grown ass man.

And if you still want to call people who say stuff you dont like liars, go ahead son, I'll still sleep like a baby.

As opposed to you, I'm actually trying to solve this, not just ***** and then go home and not do sh-t.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
lol. I nominate this post for "Ridiculously Hypocritical Post of the Year".

Unless you have unassailable proof that Sony Ericsson has announced 2.2 isn't coming, you're just another hog in the pen, squeaking for no one to listen.
[XPERIA X10 General] kosalaeranga:
Bad news

h t t p / /blogs sonyericsson com/developerworld/2010/05/05/xperia%E2%84%A2-x10-update-to-android-2-1-in-q4-2010

:(
[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
If I had an Xperia for every time someone posted that link from May, I'd have 16.1 million of them.
[XPERIA X10 General] naplesbill:
For the love of God, not another troll.
[XPERIA X10 General] chongbh:
Anyway, it is not official from SE that they will not release Android 2.2 or include 16M colours with upcoming Android 2.1 upgrade.

I don't think they are so stupid to enable HD Recording and limit screen colours to only 65Km, all these are just rumours so I don't believe anything now till the official release is out.
[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
You do realize that the video recording capabilities will not be affected by the screen's colors, right? And that unless you're recording a gradient, you won't even notice the colors, right?

I feel like I should be angry, when in reality, things ain't so bad. Yesterday, I turned the screen up to full brightness, opened some pics I took in Mediascape and fell in love with the screen again. It's really not that bad.
[XPERIA X10 General] alankstiyo:
seriously we all know this update would be available in Q4
[XPERIA X10 General] mrtim123:
Bahahaha....i love people who say this. Let me guess, you are using the 2010 roadmap as your "evidence"? Get this clear....the 2010 roadmap is just that - a roadmap for what they are doing in 2010. It says nothing about what they are planning in 2011. that would be included in another roadmap. Guess what it would be called? 2011 roadmap.

so no, it is NOT official.
[XPERIA X10 General] Reeonimus:
+1

Record a video, transfer it to your computer which has a screen capable of more colors. Ta da!

How many colors your screen can display has nothing to do with how many colors the camera can capture.

Our screens will display more colors someday, but it ain't so bad now is it?
[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
Yes, it will be, for certain markets.

Come on guys, none of what you're saying is new or insightful....

Q3 for some markets, Q4 for others. That was in the original announcement.
[XPERIA X10 General] henh:
9 more days to the end of Q3, which of some market has got the the update?
[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
No one has yet, or this forum wouldn't be ****ting itself in anticipation.

SEUK confirmed yesterday "before the end of September", and SECanada said Q4.
[XPERIA X10 General] henh:
well, we really hope SE can speed up their update process a little faster. then everyone here will stop whining.
[XPERIA X10 General] JohnXIII:
Merriam-Webster's definition:

irony

noun \ˈī-rə-nē also ˈī(-ə)r-nē\

plural iro·nies

Definition of IRONY

1

: a pretense of ignorance and of willingness to learn from another assumed in order to make the other's false conceptions conspicuous by adroit questioning —called also Socratic irony

2

a : the use of words to express something other than and especially the opposite of the literal meaning b : a usually humorous or sardonic literary style or form characterized by irony c : an ironic expression or utterance

3

a (1) : incongruity between the actual result of a sequence of events and the normal or expected result (2) : an event or result marked by such incongruity b : incongruity between a situation developed in a drama and the accompanying words or actions that is understood by the audience but not by the characters in the play —called also dramatic irony, tragic irony

Examples of IRONY

1. a writer known for her clever use of irony

2. “What a beautiful view,” he said, his voice dripping with irony, as he looked out the window at the alley.

3. She described her vacation with heavy irony as “an educational experience.”

4. It was a tragic irony that he made himself sick by worrying so much about his health.

5. That's just one of life's little ironies.

6. The irony of the situation was apparent to everyone.

7. He has a strong sense of irony.
[XPERIA X10 General] mrtim123:
Anyway.....back on topic......
[XPERIA X10 General] darkcell:
this thread page will reach 100, and the update still not coming...
[XPERIA X10 General] lawless_benji:
Welcome to 026
[XPERIA X10 General] PGRX10:
Whats a Troll?:confused:
[XPERIA X10 General] npk21:
Troll means posting something or spamming continuously which is not related to the given topic or you can say off topic messages...hope this helps!!!:)
[XPERIA X10 General] PGRX10:
Ta very much
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
*in a deep pronounced voice*

Give in to you anger. You will be more powerful then you every imagined. Yeesss,,,,, Welcome to the dark side young Skywalker. :eek:
[XPERIA X10 General] -PiLoT-:
Thing is in order for them to be sued they would have had to have done something wrong

remember they havent clearly defined when the updates was. before the end of Q3 (which still hasent ended) in some markets and Q4 in others

if they have given a release date and not delivered then there would be issue. but since they left it vague then you are powerless

and for those at the back of the class

Sony Ericsson havent ripped anybody off theyre doing as they promised. there was never a promise of 16 million colours or multi touch.
[XPERIA X10 General] lawless_benji:
Hey there,quick question.

Could the update happen at any time of the day? Or will it happen 1st thing in the morning just after midnight? Thanks in advance guys.
[XPERIA X10 General] ronniecross:
anytime of the day
[XPERIA X10 General] nkolsen:
OMG.... are you seriuos? You must live in a country where you can sue people for looking at you in a bad way.....SE havent done anything wrong, only people who bought the device before actually trying it out. And reading your post, just wanna make me cry, seriuosly its a phone dude, not a car, house etc..
[XPERIA X10 General] chris_knows:
Lawsuit is pointless. If you don't like the device, don't buy any more SE devices, and don't recommend any to your friends.

I don't doubt that SE knows about how frustrated so many of their customers are already. The fact that they aren't doing anything about it is the problem..
[XPERIA X10 General] lawless_benji:
Cheers dude.
[XPERIA X10 General] Contrarian:
"Originally Posted by JohnXIII View Post

Hey!!!

So we have reached week 38 of 2010 and still no signs of our expected firmware update.

Even worst, got specs from SE, and lots of bad news:

First of all, no 16m colors on X10 even if x10 mini does...

No Flash integration and no mention of it nowhere.

No flash for camera, we are stuck with a "light"mode.(damn them to hell)

Mediascape issues remains on certain phones(?Arf, I dont get that...)

It is now official, no 2.2 froyo on Xperia X10. Will never reach 3.0

We will get 2.1x and that's it.

I wanna scream."

This is without a doubt the most pathetic thing I have read on XDA to date. Stop embarrasing yourself and edit/delete the post.

Secondly "no" phone is ever likely to recieve a Gingerbread update, regardless of manufacturer. You can pretend all you like, the UI just won't support the small screen. A more probable outcome will be 2.4/2.5 updates incorporating some gingerbread features.

Thirdly we would like to know specifically which aspects of the x10 are making you so angry, because apart from a lot of howling, irrate xperia owners are yet to provide one valid argument as to why the X10 is so bad.

I bet you guys/girls are the sort of people who go to Denny's and afterwards complain about the poor service and food.
[XPERIA X10 General] adithefunkid:
not again...

I hope someone talks about 2.1

rather than moral education ....
[XPERIA X10 General] xeviro:
i seen somewhere ppl posted in this forum that we can predict X10 firmware release based on the certification passed date from this website.

http://www.ptcrb.com/ctiastaff/complete/view_complete_request.cfm?modelid=16755

http://www.ptcrb.com/ctiastaff/complete/view_complete_request.cfm?modelid=16719

http://www.ptcrb.com/ctiastaff/complete/view_complete_request.cfm?modelid=16756

it seems that 2.1 may not be necessary to be listed there, or it haven't pass the certification yet.

website looks quite legit.

http://www.ptcrb.com/vendor/complete/complete_request.cfm?tab=Certified
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
Excellent! You gotta love those self appointed XDA moral postings police AKA the Troll Patrol. LOL! We need to come up with a jingle for them. :D

By the way I have heard of medical malpractice but never engineering malpractice.

I still can't for the life of me figure out why anyone would even care if the X10 ever gets 2.1. It is going to take all of 1 day for the novelty of the revision to wear off before people start realizing that nothing substantive has changed.
[XPERIA X10 General] naplesbill:
While I'm not dying for 2.1 and I don't think it will alter my life forever, there are some serious changes from 1.6 to 2.1 that you clearly don't understand. I am not about to list all the improvements over 1.6 in this thread. Do your own research. There are many apps that only 2.1 support and there are a lot of api changes that you don't even see. You really should actually discover the improvements before making a statement that "nothing substantive has changed." Nothing could be further from the truth.
[XPERIA X10 General] pngface:
Why are you even looking at the 2.1 thread then?

I'm sure it won't take long before people get sick of 2.1 and start demanding 2.2, but until then, we have nothing else to look forward to. If it doesn't interest you, I don't see why you should bother getting involved in the thread
[XPERIA X10 General] andy8271:
guess again

SE dont ever give dates. im not even sure they have a calendar in the offices