yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[EVO 4G General] Sporkman:
8.1 for me has been super stable no issues what so ever
[EVO 4G General] jasonziter:
YES

Wow...finally a sincere question.

MMS wont send photos to multiple recipients.

MMS wont send photos with attached voice to recipients (multiple or otherwise).

VVM still sends the 9016 (i think thats the code) text back with all voice mails unless there was an update I didn't see (even after blacklisting it on sprint).

Thanks for the question without an attached insult. Seriously!!
[EVO 4G General] joackie27:
If you clicked on the link (http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=7927986&postcount=4448) on my previous post (the post with the attached photo), I think the setting there is 1.19 and he's running a Snap8.2-875 kernel (also specified there). I thought you were the smart one? How come you missed that? :D
[EVO 4G General] apristel:
I wuv me some cm6...

Pros:

It's bomb.. Wiimote. nuff said.

oh and...

The kickstand works.

Cons:

I can't listen to 88.5 Soft Rock - who cares

4g - not here or really anywhere, kills the battery anyways on stock or cm6 (if it worked)

No predictive dialing. Kinda miss that.
[EVO 4G General] jasonziter:
WOW

Wow thats two replies in a row without insults. I'm lovin it. Constructive criticisim.

Ill give 8.1 a try. Any other suggestions on improving it without blowing the battery to hell. (Set CPU / Evo switch etc.) I'm going to do a comparison (screenie) of several of these later. I'm at work and just responding to these between people.
[EVO 4G General] strone80:
Cyanogenmod kicks ass! it's but far the fastest and smoothest out there. It's clean, quick, and stable.

I personally like 4g but it's not available here yet (so not an issue); FM radio would be nice but I'd probably use Pandora anyway; and HDMI on the stock rom was a total POS anyway (only worked with a few apps and no audio when I tried it).

Bottom line is if you don't like the rom, don't use it. Cyanogen and his team aren't doing this for profit. I am very thankful for their hard work.
[EVO 4G General] jasonziter:
LOL...ok. works for you i guess.
[EVO 4G General] bradleyw801:
I actually agree with what you are saying. I am not sure if the OP is to get feedback on why he should stay with sense, or if he is trying to point something out. My guess is that he is trying to make a point. A point that may have some truth.

I know you were being sarcastic about the unicorns, but you raise something interesting. Cyanogen seems to have gained an apple "fanboy" like following. (Piano player stops, the whole bar goes silent, and everyone is staring at me....) Now don't kill me for saying it, but think about it? Fanboys give Steve Jobs alot of slack and are willing to put up with things they can't have because they love his work.

Now Cyanogen is by no means following a Steve Jobs business model. He is the polar opposite. But this ROM is missing key components, just like the OP says. Now for some of you, no big deal. But for alot of us, the trade off isn't worth it just yet.

I followed CM6 and flashed every nightly until 6.0 was released. It was missing the things I had been waiting for. I moved on, and as soon as I see progress on the key components, I will come back.

Summary, Cyanogen is DOING great work, but CM6 for the Evo is not CURRENTLY a "great work". I believe it will be in time, but not yet.
[EVO 4G General] Sporkman:
nothing major for me i just installed kernel set up setcpu and go on about my business
[EVO 4G General] apristel:
Where can I download the JasonziterROM? Maybe it is better than CM6?

:eek: Just sayin'

Like everyone else has said, if ya don't like it, don't use it.

That's kinda what this whole community is about, choices. I'm thankful to have all these great roms to choose from. I find the ones that suit me best and rock the **** outta them. I don't see what is so hard to understand about that.
[EVO 4G General] joackie27:
8.2-825 is very stable here as well. :D

Stability issues exist when the Evo's CPU can't handle the undervolt. But once you found what's right for your CPU, it's buttery smooth and will smoke a 1550 quadrant score anytime of the day!
[EVO 4G General] strone80:
voicemail is not an issue. To fix 1) install sprint_vvm. 2) (optional) remove messaging apk with titanium or equivalent. 3) open sprint vvm do something for a few minutes while it provisions 4) install handcent or equivalent 5) blacklist texts from 9016 -- done
[EVO 4G General] dmc971989:
Well Duh, what else should he expect?

you silly goose

p.s. SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
[EVO 4G General] dmc971989:
to respond to this... i see where your coming from

BUT: i despise Steve Jobs for what he, and his work stands for

I <3 Cyanogen for what he, and his work (CyanogenMod) stand for
[EVO 4G General] I[E:
from the dialer screen just press the search button to search contacts. just as fast
[EVO 4G General] MSmith1:
Snap 7.3 is quite possibly the best kernel that I have ever used when it comes to battery life, stability, and FPS.

Don't like Snap? Use the stock CM6 kernel.

I understand the point that the OP is TRYING to make here but most of his points are invalid.

For instance

-Any arugement based on benchmarking - Throw it out. Benchmarking is irrelevant to everyday use and CM6 has the potential to destroy those anyway.

-Instability of rom - The rom is stable, period. Yes there were points that it was unstable in it's RC/nightly form but have you used any Sense roms in the past? Have they not ALL exhibited some instability especially in their early form? This is typical of any software life cycle and has nothing to do with CM6.

-Instability of kernel - The CM6 stock kernel is very stable. Snap is stable if you take the time to find the one that works for you. As above, have you tried any other Sense based kernels? Have they not ALL had some instability as well at some point?

-Features that you say do not work but clearly do because you haven't tired them yourself - VVM works. MMS works. Etc, etc.

If you want to make the arguement that CM6 is somehow inferior to a Sense based rom based on the fact that it does not have 4G, HDMI, or FM Radio, that is fine. Just stick with that. I have 4G IN MY HOUSE and I still use CM6.

Also, how long have you been in the Evo development scene? I am going to assume not long because if so you would remember that when roms/kernels were first being developed, a lot of the features that are available now were not available then such as HDMI and 4G.

CM6 is an AMAZING rom and although I have jumped off of it a couple of times, I always come back.

If the rom is not for you, don't use it. Don't go out and claim that it is overrated just because YOU don't like it or it doesn't fulfill YOUR needs.
[EVO 4G General] jasonziter:
DAMN

DAMN it.......you got me. Thanks for the now THIRD good post. Its only taken 10 or 11 pages to get to three productive posts......I take back everything I said about your mother.

-JZ
[EVO 4G General] jasonziter:
.

Great response. Invalid points....i tend to disagree. Maybe to you, but validity is equivalent (for me) to stability. CM6 stock is stable. I posted that a long time ago. The snaps have variable stability....look at the forums for snaps.

My main point is.....why have an EVO when you use a ROM that essentially disables a lot of the functions IT has that other phones dont. Unless, that is, you really dont need them.

Thats all.
[EVO 4G General] kudosmog:
Because you have sprint service and want a good android phone.
[EVO 4G General] wmdunn:
Well ... I've been around for a while, but just don't post much. This thread has run the gamut from being interesting to entertaining to a little silly. OP ... it's time to call it quits. Had you asked this question at some other forum, the thread would have been closed down by now. Here at XDA, you're in the big leagues ... which usually means the "BS meter" is close at hand. You may believe that you asked a quantifiable question, but you did not. You seem to think that everyone thinks as you do ... hard evidence ... just the facts. That just isn't the case ... most of us make the choices we make because of how something makes us feel ... and feelings are subjective.

Please don't misunderstand ... I'm not saying that there aren't some hard facts/evidence of creative, superior work being offered by Cyanogen's team ... because there are. Really no need to list them, because that would simply invite alternative opinions. And they would be opinions, because what's important to one, may not be to another. See what I'm saying ... there is no reality ... "perception" is reality. The sum total is much greater than the individual parts.

For me ... CM6 "feels" fast ... "feels" smooth ... and I definitely prefer aosp over sense ... even though (at the moment), I give up a couple of things. I know, you aren't particularly interested in how I "feel" ... but it's the total experience that allows each of the advocates to find what's important to them, no matter what rom they choose.

I'll give you this ... you have hung in there, through quite a few pages ... but it's time to let it go. The only answer available ... is that we like it ... for all kinds of reasons ... but mostly because it just works for us. Sorry, that's not what you were looking for, but those answers can only come from you.
[EVO 4G General] MSmith1:
I use Snap and I am in that forum all the time.

But anyway, the point you just made is valid. And I understand it fully and it is much more sound.

As for me, I have 4G in my house and I still use CM6. I will wholeheartedly admit that I would love to have 4G in CM6 and I hope it comes soon. For now, I deal with 3G which is very speedy for me and my WiFi.

Also, the current iteration of HDMI on the Evo is useless. If it's not full HDMI out, I really don't care about it. I haven't even bought a mini HDMI cable in the months that I've had the Evo because I have no use for it. Once Cyanogen gets full HDMI working, I will be standing outside of an electronics store at opening time to get a cable.

FM Radio? What's that?

Either way, CM6 is in no way overrated. As I said in my other post, if it doesn't work for you, that is fine. Don't call something overrated though because it doesn't fulfill your needs. Also, by calling something overrated you are saying that there are people out there saying that CM6 is better, i.e. rated higher, than sense rom x. I personally have never went into a Sense rom thread and claimed such. Have you seen anyone come out and say that CM6 is better than sense rom x and you should die because you are not using it? I have used a number of sense roms and I liked a bunch of them. But honestly, I really don't care what anyone uses on their phone as long as it works for them.
[EVO 4G General] dglowe343:
Totally agree. Benchmarks are for bragging rights. Since Froyo I've seen anywhere from 1000-1600 in quadrant from my phone and never really noticed a difference in how well the rom ran. They're just numbers. The only benchmarks that really concern me are the ones measuring fps. I've been getting a steady 54 in fps2d, 17+ in nena mark, and 32 in neocore with both netarchy and king's latest bfs kernels. Quadrant and Linpack mean nothing to me as long as the rom is fast and stable.

On another note, I know the cult following for Cyanogen is serious business but I don't think the OP was attacking him. It was a simple question. I understand getting defensive about it but the thread title doesn't read "CM6 is overrated". If that were the case I could understand some of the comments being made. I was recently given some advice basically saying if you don't like it, don't read it. Just move on. If you disagree, post something constructive to support why or ignore the post. Straight up flaming the OP doesn't do ****. I think there's too many people here who enjoy giving people ****. They're all great roms and all have strengths and weaknesses. Pick the one that's right for you. What other people think about it doesn't matter. They're not using your phone.
[EVO 4G General] hooover:
Lmao...people who have been members for a few months and have 100's of meaningless posts...WOW!!! :rolleyes:
[EVO 4G General] TF1984:
Hoover, do us a favor. Get the complete members list for XDA and let us know as a community, who you will allow to post here. Thanks.

Anyway.... all I see in this thread is no 4g, no hdmi, no fm radio. Blah blah.

Personally FM and HDMI are of ZERO interest to me.

4G was REALLY NICE to have when I was on stock and on Fresh. BUT, the performance increases I have while on CM6 is of much greater value to me then a 4G network. I only used 4G sporadically to begin with... it kills your battery.
[EVO 4G General] danielt14:
Dude how do you google voice tells me my carrier is not compatible! Im Running the latest nightly and on the 8.2 kernal!

CM6 is just awesome for me! :D
[EVO 4G General] altumax:
Personally, I don't see what the issue is with MMS or Voicemail. I have Sprint Visual Voicemail working flawlessly on my phone and have never had a problem with MMS of any kind, not even character limits. Maybe I'm just lucky, but I have loved my EVO even more since applying CM6 to it... sorry that you haven't had the same experience.
[EVO 4G General] nebenezer:
Proof that post count means jack shiz

All that means is your carrier is not set up to configure it for you.

I love GVoice, in fact my Sprint Voicemail service kept causing problems with callers not being able to leave messages so I called Sprint and had them actually remove voicemail service from my account.

Choose gvoice as your voicemail, make sure you have your gvoice number set as your vmail number and call *28(yourgvoicenumber) from your phone and you should be good to go
[EVO 4G General] danielt14:
what version are you running?
[EVO 4G General] chaoszepp:
Can you recommend me some that are as polished as the sense one? (Yes I know about double twist and mixzing ect. Ect.)
[EVO 4G General] jasonziter:
Claps heard all around!!

Love the post man. Claps heard all around. The quote from the user you also used is good. No i am not expecting anyone to "win me over". I was just looking for an objective comparison. I hate apple. Had a 3g and its a piece of crap in comparison (jailbroken etc) to the EVO. I am seeing the same fanboy crap. Ask an apple junkie why they love apple. Hell.....watch the best buy video posted a couple of months ago and insert cyanogen followers in there for apple and you would have it almost....ALMOST right.

He is doing phenomenal work that I couldn't dream of touching. Hez got to be doing something right for such a huge following right? Ive just noticed a lot missing and would like to hear peoples justifications for giving up most of the EVO's features for the ROM. And....optimally to have those reasons be based on something rather than emotion.....EG......the objective data I've been harping on for the same reason apple folks follow jobs blindly....i want to make sure we're not doing the same in following CM6 and because I have an android pissing on an apple sticker on my truck. Ill follow android...but as far as an OS/ROM i want more data than, "its just great." If you don't want to give it....its okay.....don't ***** about me asking for it (this is directed generally) and don't insult me because you think your special. Thats it.
[EVO 4G General] mrpuffin:
i set it up through http://google.com/voice by adding my phone through the website

(i did that before i had an android device) way back when GV was invite only

and since i already had it set up using computer it did not ask for setup when logging in on my phone with the GV app

hope that helps
[EVO 4G General] danielt14:
right on will look more into it on the web thanks dude.
[EVO 4G General] Sporkman:
QFT i could give 2 ****s about linpak quad numbers ETC ETC i just now how my phone runs and with CM6+ snap my phone is BLAZING fast GREAT battery life my voicemail wifi mms all works ( i was one that had MAJOR troubles with MMS on cm6 )

4g is not in my area wont be for some time

fm radio piff dont need it

hdmi /shrug i have a 55 inch led tv WHY in the hell would i want to use my phone ?
[EVO 4G General] kudosmog:
There is no data for "I like the ROM and don't use the features that are missing from it"
[EVO 4G General] jasonziter:
Awwww

.

Awwww. Now I feel all warm inside. Thanks for that man...........only about (out of 12+ pages) 4-5 posters / and posts / that have given some data for me and others. To those of you who contributed some data......Love ya. To the rest of ya Id like to delete your waste of my time. I've noticed this on a lot of posts in a lot of threads in here. No one getting to the point.....although you kind of did. You stated that you are incapable of posting anything objective.....only subjective. Good point to be made. SURLY!!
[EVO 4G General] notown775:
where did you guys leave your skirts and palm-palms .. buncha cheerleaders . I use an old skool motor razor LAFF.. just use what makes you happy and move on ...

sent from my satan fone
[EVO 4G General] altumax:
I've run CM6 RC1, CM6 RC2, CM6 official, and most of the nightlies.

I am using Handcent and the regular messaging for messages, and I'm using the most recent Sprint VVM. That's it... nothing special except for the steps that "strone80" referred to on page 10.
[EVO 4G General] myth_mn:
I am in a 4G area, but I choose to run CM6... I'm just hoping that 4G does work soon. It's a trade off of features currently, I personally don't use any of the sense ROMs out there because there isn't a bare bones one that I like... either people sick stuff that they personally use there or generally makes some mod that I don't care for. CM6 for me is simple and doesn't have all the other stuff that he thinks I may need.

Making my own ROM is just too time consuming, and if I post it... there's those trolls out there going through every thread making sure they get credit for whatever ridiculous detail they might have done or thought they should get credit for. Have you guys seen these "thanks to" headers... give me a break, defeats the purpose of open source, they mind as well try to patent their findings go work for Apple and Microsoft.

If you like what someone does, just donate or buy them a beer!
[EVO 4G General] jasonziter:
Yep....I am....especilly to morons who continue to post garbage...MAN.

Ill agree with you on that one. I am a ****. Especially when someone (me) complains that people cant read an "OP" and re-post accordingly. Then some douche posts a bunch of feel good crap that goes against everything thats been posted. Not paying attention again. There are some seriously cool people i've seen/met in here that have poked their heads out (for fear of being torn up) and posted some incredibly useful information. The rest of ya are the real dicks which, unfortunately, makes up 70% of the posts. Seriously.

-JZ
[EVO 4G General] dglowe343:
Isn't it pom poms?
[EVO 4G General] apristel:
and Moto RAZR..
[EVO 4G General] misterzeno:
Im interested in android with no sense, but just waiting for one with 4g and the other stuff working. I dont hate sense however, I think some guys run cm6 cause its fast and they may not need all the other stuff that doesnt work. Man this thread has some ugly posts in it.
[EVO 4G General] drbadass:
I think it's a bit ridiculous how many people have a tendency to belittle features simply because they don't have a use for them. People who don't have 4G in their city obviously have no reason to care-- that doesn't mean nobody has the right to care. HDMI I could personally give a **** about, but I understand other people might want that functionality. Specifically for me, the FM radio (yeah, laugh all you want) is actually a significant item. I use mine every single weekday at the gym to pick up signals from the TVs in front of the treadmills. Not having that is a dealbreaker for me.

Might sound silly to some, but it really aggravates me how people just decide that based on their own personal practices everyone else should have the same priorities for their phone.
[EVO 4G General] nebenezer:
How does the FM radio in your EVO pick up a TV signal??

When I ran Sense I was only ever able to pick up one station anyways, and it wasn't a good one..
[EVO 4G General] herzzreh:
I gotta chime in...

1. HDMI - it's half-assed in Sense, in other words, to me, it's useless.

2. 4G - not available where I live, no biggie, probably would've never used it.

3. Radio - have you actually tried using the app?! Reception is crap! Agree what others said in regards to Pandora, last.fm etc.

4. MMS with picture or voice (tried it again yesterday) - never ever had an issue with this.

5. Voicemail issues (we all know what they are) - once I called Sprint to fix my roaming issue (we all know what it is), Sprint's voicemail started working fine. In any case, I think Youmail owns it.

I only see the positives in this ROM. It's fast, it works well.

Anyone having the MMS issue is most likely also having the roaming issue. Just call Sprint and have them completely reset your profile, reprovision your phone and do the other good stuff that they gotta do. It will work 100%, guarantee it.

The hype about this ROM is the fact that it's 100% different from all the other available ROMs. Sorry, but all of the ROMs besides this one are all and the same. Changing background, adding/removing few apps and changing a config file or two and calling this a completely new ROM is vastly different from actually building the thing from scratch.
[EVO 4G General] rdrjrh:
this thread is hilarious...

seriously OP... here is a direct quote from you:

"I'm not upset at all. I started this to get someone with some intelligence (lots of em in here) to post somthing objective to back up why EVERYONE loves cyanogen 6.0 for the evo."

NOW, last i checked LOVE is an emotion and very much not objective. LOVE is subjective in its very nature. soo you want objective/non emotional reasons for why we feel an emotion(LOVE) for cm6?

for me CM6 has been the fastest (2200+ in quadrant with sd implementation, 1700+ without) and most stable (no force closes/boot/lockups) compared to any other ROM i have used.

Not in a 4g area so i dont care about that. no hdmi tv so i dont care about that. and mms and sms works fine. radio? haha
[EVO 4G General] I[E:
A lot of gyms have TVs that broadcast the audio over FM so people can listen to whichever TV using headphones.
[EVO 4G General] jasonziter:
It's true. There are ugly posts in here but only because people think they can sling insults and not be called out on em which, if you read my op, you'll see was never my intention. There are just a lot of children (literally and figuratively) in these forums that think because they are versed in this stuff makes them God......there is a term for that.....delusions of grander. But I regress yet again.
[EVO 4G General] jasonziter:
Thanks for a meaningful reply to a poster. No sarcasm here. Thanks, actual physical data on how to correct a problem. Any more hints on making cm6 better would be appreciated (based on my op) kernels...settings...etc.....based on those points I hit that actually CAN be reworked/fixed.

I'll admit...as I have before...its faster than sense based roms (based on benchmark pgms and "feel")....just a bit lacking still.....

Sent from my EVO using your moms WiFi.
[EVO 4G General] jasonziter:
Oops...bad post....sorry guys
[EVO 4G General] jasonziter:
Nail on the head my man. Nail on the head. Except I think there is more to it than just what's right for you. If cyanogen had been able to implement all the things in my original post we wouldn't even be having this discussion would we? But due to its limitations we do have to choose what's right for us. I mean screw the benchmarks then. Just go on features and smoothness. If cm6 had all the things I posted......well.......EVERYONE would be using it....wouldnt they?