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[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
Speaking of the Troll Patrol ^^^^^^^^
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
It is not necessary that you list them. Android has already done it for you :D

http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.1.html

Plus SE are adding HD.

I get the update perfectly. It is a minor update from 1.6 and not that big of a deal.

If my experience with the P900, P910, and X1 has any baring on this update, I would imagine that SE will release something in the next week. However, it will be incomplete, for what ever excuse, I mean reason. I would put the revision to be completed some time in Q1. That is if SE repeat the exact same thing they did on the other devices I mentioned above. It is SE business as usual.

If you are happy with the X10 in it's current form than by all means the 2.1 revision will do just fine. If you are not happy with your device now I would not count on future revisions to be a game changer for you. You may want to sell now whilst you can still get a couple of bucks for it.
[XPERIA X10 General] noblackthunder:
Im hapoy with my x10 just as it is. Shure new stuff like android 2.1 and hd video is nice B-) im happy that se is adding stuff to it :-). I dont expect anny thing then more what my phone hadd the day i got it :-P .
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
Good stuff. :D

I'm not. :(
[XPERIA X10 General] naplesbill:
Why do you insist on posting bad or wrong info repeatedly. Those changes are from 2. 0 to 2. 1. That is what makes it a minor update. 1. 6 to 2. 1 is a major update. You already know this from other threads and yet you still insist on posting nonsense. Why? We are here to help each and learn. Sometimes that just means to pay attention to what is being discussed.
[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
Sweet Jesus, are you really that thick? My only hope is you're doing this on purpose...

The VERY FIRST THING on that page in big letters is:

Like, do you think that SE is ripping out all the features from 2.0 or something? Are you that daft?
[XPERIA X10 General] Contrarian:
As stated here many times before, SE is not about to risk a long winded and expensive lawsuit just to make a few gamers happy.

2.1 will bring with it lag fixes and the ability to load firmware specific apps. Provided my phone doesn't loose the ability to make phone calls or check my emails, I'll be a satisfied customer.

You need to chill, because in all likelihood most (if not all) x10 owners won't receive their 2.1 update tomorrow.
[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
But the guy at the sony store said i could use the x10 as an aphrodisiac device!*

I WILL SEW SONY!!!!!!!!!!

(only on 2.1)
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
You tried to say the same thing a couple of months back. Only that time it was obvious that you were speculating. Now you state the same nonsense as fact.

http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.1.html

Look at the list to the left. There is no 2.0 listed. It goes from 1.6 to 2.1 and under the 2.1 description it is stated as minor. If you have a problem with how the engineers who created the product describe it take it up with them.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
I don't think you can sew SE for incompetence. I don't think you can sue them either.
[XPERIA X10 General] AdamUpNorth:
He can't sue them for incompetence but it sounds like he wants to sue them for impotence.
[XPERIA X10 General] Anoik:
:rolleyes:

http: //developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.0-highlights. html
[XPERIA X10 General] naplesbill:
Wrong again. There were several people who tried to explain to you how things work with releases. You apparently think that you know better than everyone else. So, read the following and then come back to discuss:

http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.0.html

Most importantly:
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
Dude you don't give up LOL.

It states clearly under the description of the 2.1 that it is a minor update. And, you go to a completely unrelated page. LOL
[XPERIA X10 General] naplesbill:
Can you possibly be that dense or are you intentionally trying to cause trouble? It is clear that 2.0 (which means any 2.x version) is a major update from 1.6 (which would include all 1.x versions). You can't possibly still believe otherwise.
[XPERIA X10 General] Lex360:
"Platform Highlights

Android 2.1 does not add significant user features,

see the Android 2.0 Platform Highlights document for the latest user features

."

i think u can't read....
[XPERIA X10 General] berbecverde:
Android 2.0 Platform

Android 2.0 is a major platform release deployable to Android-powered handsets starting in November 2009. The release includes new features for users and developers, as well as changes in the Android framework API.

Android 2.1 Platform

Android 2.1 is a minor platform release deployable to Android-powered handsets starting in January 2010. This release includes new API changes and bug fixes. For information on changes, see the Framework API section.

so as you can see:

1.6 to 2.0 is a MAJOR platform release.

2.0 to 2.1 is a MINOR platform release.

So like naplesbill said this is a MAJOR RELEASE cause it goes from 1.6 to 2.1.:)

I think this settles this.:D
[XPERIA X10 General] vickysud:
guys pls have patience SE will def release the update its only the matter of time..we all waited for the update from past 5 months lets wait for another week or couple of days and vll have it..its not like SE wont be releasing the update..v saw a couple of videos of 2.1 v know tht SE r developing it lets have FAith in them..many ppl r dissapointed of not having 16m colors may be lets hope it will wrong
[XPERIA X10 General] Contrarian:
I think he's winding you up dude. don't take the bait.
[XPERIA X10 General] Mac_33:
According to urban dictionary:

troll

One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument
[XPERIA X10 General] chris_knows:
Droid X just got Froyo...I could've sworn it was released just a month or so ago...
[XPERIA X10 General] Lex360:
well ... def. no 16m colors with this upd8 m8 ^^
[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
Thank you so much for that. :D:D:D:D
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
However, You an sue for breech of promise. Or, for violating their warranty weather it is expressed or implied. Expressed is SE's written warranty and implied covers anything they have stated during or after the fact (such as their tweets or face book statements).

I'm not sure about Canada, but in the US you have Pro-Se court. This is a court that relates to matters of under 2,000 dollars in value. Other then the Judge there are no attorneys allowed and you simple provide the court with your version of events. All judgements are immediate and final. The price to bring a case is court is equal to court costs,,, or about 40 dollars. I am sure Canada has something similar.

I guess if come the end of Q3 if the revision is not out and completed 100% that you could have a case to get a 100% refund including sales tax, plus a days work to appear in court, transportation cost, and court costs. I would imagine if you went this route SE would simply give you your money back.
[XPERIA X10 General] realunited123:
try clicking on "Older Platforms" on the left side... The reason they don't mention it is no one is using it. They are using either 1.6 or 2.1/2.2.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
Exactly. Thank you.
[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
Except, they never said "Q3" in America, so, no, you couldn't sue them for not delivering on a promise in a different country.

It's like suing Burger King for selling you a Whopper when you wanted a Big Mac.

So, please, if you could just answer this one question:

Why do you continue to believe that SE is somehow reverse engineering 2.1 to remove every improvement that came with 2.0?
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
I am not the one that wants to sue. Nor am I the person who mentioned it to begin with. That was some other satisfied customer. :D Edit- Suing a large company in Pro-se court is always subject to interpretation, you don't have to be right to win. I am sure if that guy from Canada was to take SE to Pro-Se court SE would just refund him his cash.

You fanboys are hilarious. :D The Troll Patrol lol
[XPERIA X10 General] anjo2:
Yes and no, because there is no more 2.0, the update 2.0 to 2.1 is minor, the most things is to fix bugs, with 1.5 you can upgrade to 1.6, with 1.6 you can upgrade to 2.1, not 2.0, with 2.0 you can upgrade to 2.1, but it wont have all 2.1 functionalities, not limited by Android, but limited by Sony Ericsson rom, bad programmers...
[XPERIA X10 General] realunited123:
See who is saying this. Thanks for making me laugh.. :D
[XPERIA X10 General] naplesbill:
Are you kidding me? 1.x to 2.x is a MAJOR upgrade no matter how you slice it. This is how it works and is not subject to interpretation.
[XPERIA X10 General] Contrarian:
Yes you are correct. The HTC desire and the Samsung Galaxy having been released with 2.1 lack the features of 1.6 and 2.0.

The trolls here really aren't as intelligent as they believe. A lot of the time it stems from a deep seeded inability to form relationships with others???
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
I like it. Thank you for your objective point of view.

Let me make the peace with the fanboys; many of whom are on their first SE device.

Call it what ever you like. I can read from the list for myself of what is included in 2.1 and compare it against what I have now. Personally I'm not impressed. I know that some are happy with the X10 in it's current state and will be more than please when (Q1) the 2.1 does come. Further I think those individuals have every right to be pleased or displeased if they see fit. As this is my forth SE flagship device, I see the similarities with how SE handled their other products I owned. And, the X10 is the straw that broke the camels back.

I am sure once the novelty of the 2.1 has worn off and being strung along for a year or more has set in, more and more people will realize that they are not as satisfied as they thought.
[XPERIA X10 General] saeam:
GTX

hello Lex360 i see in your information X10 Energy GTX rom

i searched withing the forum for x10 rom i didnt find any thing

so is it just info you wrote or there is rom for x10 ??
[XPERIA X10 General] pngface:
Again, for your benefit, the definition of troll from urban dictionary:

troll

One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument

Having already discussed the whole '2.1 is not a major update from 1.6' topic around a month ago, I see no other reason why you would bring it up again, except for the fact that you are, infact, a TROLL

This thread is for discussing news about 2.1. If you have nothing productive to add, please stay away.
[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
Did you just ignore my question to call me a name? Sigh.

So, I guess SE is removing HTML5 support, Double-tap in the browser, and numerous other things listed on the 2.0 changes page from their version of 2.1?

Or did they already confirm all of this in the white paper that was released last week?

Sigh. I'm 100% convinced you're doing this to provoke people at this point.
[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
Also, since the mods are asleep...

Ahem.

I'll ask as a personal favor if everyone could move all the junk, flaming, and trolling to a thread better designed to handle it: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=789425

This thread is for news, not for a troll to spend 15 pages talking about how 2.1 is going to remove features from the phone.
[XPERIA X10 General] anjo2:
Android is free and open source operating system, you can change the most things, 1.6 to 2.1 you changed the kernel, you can add things to 1.6 that are in 2.1, no all, and you can dont add things that 2.1 supports and 2.1 not, its a major upgrade? yes and no... in some models the change from 2.1 is more major than 1.6 to 2.1 in X10.
[XPERIA X10 General] adithefunkid:
its more like what we should be talking......

nice to see ... we r ... talking something else....

as I posted earlier and as far as I know.... tomorrow is d big day ... as far as I m concerned ....
[XPERIA X10 General] realunited123:
Can you please explain me how?
[XPERIA X10 General] adithefunkid:
news for u guys .....:):)

time to cheer up.....

its coming tomorrow....
[XPERIA X10 General] dark_hood:
how do you know it? :confused:
[XPERIA X10 General] LahiruRD:
Well, I hope so :)
[XPERIA X10 General] tvachev:
Uncofirmed delay ...

I am hearing from UNCONFIRMED sources that there is a delay in the release of X10 Eclair Release with the minis getting the update first at the end of October.

I hope this is totally wrong.

Anyone with friends at SE?

NO PROOF whatsoever
[XPERIA X10 General] Tjotte:
Any proof on this statement? As much as i love to believe you we are so fed up with smelly little trolls lurking around the forum.
[XPERIA X10 General] ddewbofh:
I've actually seen the 23rd mentioned as well. Can't remember exactly where, it got lost in the noise here. But someone mentioned that India would get the update that date.
[XPERIA X10 General] Zenghelis:
It was the same guy in other thread days ago. And it was his first post in this forum. It's hard to believe. You can check his posts, he only has 5.
[XPERIA X10 General] ddewbofh:
Are you sure? I'm almost positive I saw it at least a week ago if not longer.
[XPERIA X10 General] Contrarian:
More trolls. Where did they all come from??

SE call center has apparently confirmed the 23rd of September. Wait and see I guess.
[XPERIA X10 General] cvchetan:
this thread closed....

m opening another 2.1 news thread..

any thing other than 2.1 news and serious actions will be taken...

P.S sum ppl open the most useless threads and then take it for granted that the mods are as jobless as they are....

chetan
[XPERIA X10 General] Sewez:
If SE can bring us full arabic support, it'll be great

are you sure about this information ?
[XPERIA X10 General] ksquared_au:
Do we have a date for Australia as yet??
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
Hi all, just seen this on twitter SE UK.

http://twitter.com/SonyEricssonUK/status/23144216708

Basically says that the 2.1 upgrade will cause a factory data reset, which is a bit of a bugger.. But must be necessary.
[XPERIA X10 General] digitall1982:
that's what i've expected, it's perfectly normal coz that is fully new os..
[XPERIA X10 General] andy8271:
anyone else worried about this update being full of bugs like usual SE first releases ?
[XPERIA X10 General] Daniel_GB:
atleast it should be better than now!!:D:rolleyes:
[XPERIA X10 General] Nimche:
Once for all they are going to have it right. This Sony is the the old Sony that we all remember. They have changed.:D
[XPERIA X10 General] :
Official 2.1 Android for xperia end of this month!

http://twitter.com/SonyEricssonUK/status/22180941832

Check it out!

Not sure if this is the right forum but posting anyways because I'm jumping up and down in excitement right now.

Also check the translated article of a dutch tech site reporting about the update:

http://translate.google.com/transla...and-android-21-voor-sony-ericsson-x10&act=url
[XPERIA X10 General] blingin:
Multi-touch?

I kid you not but that translated article says:

"The standard X10 device has a 1 GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon processor and a 4 "touchscreen with a resolution of 854 by 480 pixels. The update also supports multi-touch added. The X10 Mini and Mini Pro both have a 600 MHz Qualcomm ARM11 CPU and a 2.55 "touchscreen with a resolution of 240 by 320 pixels."

Please don't crucify me for starting the multi-touch debate but just thought its an interesting tidbit till they kill our hopes with the update...
[XPERIA X10 General] :
OMG I totally looked over that, and other statusses at twitter also support that statement. :O
[XPERIA X10 General] mmsbludhound:
You're right, it does say that multitouch will be added, though I'd still prefer to remain perssimistic to prevent disappointment. Besides, I'm not quite familiar with that source so I'm not sure how trustworthy it is. Then again, SE has slipped up too many a times about the presence of multitouch. I wonder why... Intentional false-advertising? Accidental slip-of-tongue knowing that the hardware supports multitouch even though they claim that it does not? Honest mistakes? Only time will tell.
[XPERIA X10 General] :
I can tell you that hardware.info is one of the biggest (tweakers.net only being bigger) and most trustworthy sources on IT news in the netherlands.

Never actually seen them having something wrong.

I contacted tweakers.net and they will also investigate on the update and multi-touch subject. So if I see it back on their frontpage this day then I'm 99% certain that multi-touch will be enabled. :)
[XPERIA X10 General] mmsbludhound:
Thanks for the info :)
[XPERIA X10 General] lqbweb:
Everybody is wrong sometime
[XPERIA X10 General] Chewitt:
This is very old news, if you look in the general section you will also see that this thread will be deleted by the end of the day. There is already a 2.1 official thread over there.
[XPERIA X10 General] npk21:
My phone is rooted....will i get the 2.1 update?
[XPERIA X10 General] Polypropylen:
that's what i found on SE's twitter page for the german followers

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ht tp://a.imageshack.us/img94/5017/unben2annt.jpg
[XPERIA X10 General] Cinner:
I am sorry but Harware.info is full of ****. Besides multi-touch they also mention this update wil bring DNLA, which Sony has stated will come in the update AFTER this one, later this year. So they need to get their facts straight. They probably copied all this info from older articles on other sites.
[XPERIA X10 General] zodiac100:
android 2.2

No they are not. America and Asia are the largest smartphone markets for a reason. Their inhabitants on average are far more technologically aware than their counterparts elsewhere. I live in London and I know over here the vast majority don't have a clue. They make purchases with respect to devices on the basis of style and trends more than anything else. Yes you have the tech minded folks here too but they are very much a small minority of consumers. That's precisely why the Iphone is still by far the top selling smart phone in the U.K because it wins on the style count. In America and Asia android has taken over because they are more aware of its technical superiority to the iphone even if android devices don't look as good. The evidence like I said earlier is all in the figures(market share). It's better in Europe but here in Britain, most people just to know or care to know. Their understanding of these things is extremely basic. Maybe that says something about our education system LOL.
[XPERIA X10 General] Findee:
Australia is the same unfortunately. Constantly I am faced with people saying things like "why don't you just get an iphone? They are better". These are people that are technologically illiterate and refuse to even hear that another phone might be as good just because it's not an iphone.
[XPERIA X10 General] nkolsen:
Im sorry, but does google translate different for me ? If you read it correctly, it says they mentioned MT by a mistake. And if you follow their link, its about the launch in the US, where SE started with saying that it would support MT. SE corrected that, so im sorry but no MT.:D
[XPERIA X10 General] mmsbludhound:
Hardware.info has corrected that just now, apparently.
[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
don't wanna stir this whole MT thing up again, but when i read the last few posts, i just thought, with that many inconsistencies even on official SE pages (not to mention statements of direct SE employees, as well as phone shop employees), isn't it quite likely that there is the possibility of MT and SE just doesn't want to tell (due to patents or whatever)?

It almost seems like SE had some internal misunderstandings of confirming or denying MT.

Just an idea though, i don't really care about MT cause I don't play games on my X10 at all. I just think it is odd how official statements disagree each other... if there isn't a possibility of MT, wouldn't at least the employees have known that right from the start?

Cheers

qwer23
[XPERIA X10 General] mmsbludhound:
^ I second your opinion. Anyway, the status regarding multitouch on SESync is set as 'under review', instead of 'rejected' or something. This has been the case since the issue was brought up.

For reference:

http://sesync.uservoice.com/forums/...841-also-need-multitouch-seriously-?ref=title

I'm more on the side of believing that the hardware does indeed support multitouch despite the claims from SE, though I also believe that it would remain disabled for the coming Eclair update.
[XPERIA X10 General] berbecverde:
:confused:What is unclear to me is that many people say that there is no MT because fear of APPLE.So does this mean that any future SE phone will not support MT?:D This sucks.:p And What about Samsung and the other MT capable phones.:confused:
[XPERIA X10 General] jerrytea:
Read from somewhere that samsung uses a completely different technology/panel than that of apple's and it supports up to 10 points where apple's supports only 2.
[XPERIA X10 General] tigger69:
Just found a video on phandroid, the multi touch response on the sgs is really nice. A great screen does not make a so so phone a good one though imo.

Also it seems it was jeff han who came up with it first, i dont know why apple thinks it invented it though and sues to protect it.
[XPERIA X10 General] phoneguy 4567:
Well I think some would have to admit to themselves that SE is being cheap otherwise, so better to say it's to protect themselves from a Apple lawsuit. Never mind that could be accomplished by not enabling the feature in the firmware, & that other companies are willing to risk making big bad Apple angry. When Sony's next Android device has MT this theory will go up in flames IMO.
[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
You've never used an iPhone/iPod touch?

In apps I've used, at least 4 inputs were taken in. My MacBook pro (which uses the same digitizer as the iPhone) can feel at least 5 different inputs.

Do research before making a point. ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] jerrytea:
I'm not trying to make a point, but just stating what I've read over the web. I didn't bother to do more research on that because it doesn't affect me :)
[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
Fair enough. Anyway, here's the patent for Apple's multi-touch. Don't feel like reading it to see how many fingers they're talking about though, heh: http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT7479949
[XPERIA X10 General] tigger69:
It says inventors, steve jobs first. i wonder why jeff han never patented touch screen technology as he invented it in 2006, this patent is from 2008, looking at it it looks like it was for the iphone. I had a quick look but the most it says is multiple fingers/touch, no mention of how many at the same time that i could see.
[XPERIA X10 General] Candy[MAN]:
For all the fellow Canadian followers here, this was tweeted today regarding the 2.1 update:

SonyEricssonCA

We know that you are all wondering about the upgrade to 2.1 and we promise that we are working on it – we are aiming for Q4 in Canada.
[XPERIA X10 General] pngface:
Well thats it. I resisted debranding so far, but now it makes no sense any more. The moment 2.1 is released no more Rogers for me
[XPERIA X10 General] Krzychu23:
WTF??? we are always last GGGGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRR:mad::mad::mad:

@pngface - i dont know how u did it till now, i debranded mine the 1st day :)
[XPERIA X10 General] xGary:
DAMITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

But the devs here will make it available to all right?
[XPERIA X10 General] tuxStyle:
Canada is always the last.

Same happened with my old 5800 XM and Nokia firmwares.

At least we can debrand here :P and get another version :)