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[XPERIA X10 General] lkakarotto:
Well, it's going to be SE's choice.

If their corporate bull**** is going to screw their customers, they will move on. Hell, I know at least 5 persons who sold their X10 for a shiny new SGS, even when the X10's hardware is far superior than the SGS (Not talking about actual performance, but overall hardware obviously)

It would be a pitty, really. For the people like me who live in a country where your only option is to use an unlocked phone, because our carriers do not have a different kind of option, the X10 is the best Android handset in the market for the right price.

Sure, the SGS has better hardware performance, but it also cost almost twice as much as the X10 around here... and the other HTC stuff can't compete with the X10 as a whole package (Camera, picture quality, LCD, media player, sound quality)

I don't know why is so hard for SE to excel. To let their customers, and the other manufacturers know that the brand is best of the best. That they are going to give their product the best it can handle, until it can't handle it anymore (Like Gingerbread, for example) like HTC does. Shame that I don't like HTC handsets, the build quality is crap, the camera and sound quality are even worse... they only work as a cell phone, not as a whole multimedia package, like the X10.

If this is real, then the X10 will be my last SE phone. I stopped using them after ALL their phones became crap after the glorious w810i. This is my first SE phone in 4 years after having SE phones only, and would be my last if they let me down again.
[XPERIA X10 General] Bourbon Brain:
I agree. You're potentially lost you're job anyway.

You might aswell hand over the goods. You, as a dev, woulda understand that Android is meant to be open source; Therefor you should have no quams in providing a more positive outlook on a product you have worked hard on.

Or just throw it all into that other ugly phone. Just sayin'

EDIT: Just out of curiosity, you say you have been watching this forum did a while. What was the general consensus when you informed your team the X10 was rooted? I'm merely curious as to your stand point on locking the phone down so much.
[XPERIA X10 General] karendar:
SELeak, if this information is true and our only hope for Froyo/Gingerbread is through cracking the bootloader, how about some more "insider information" on how we could get this done? ;) If you really wanna help the community, help us get through Sony's "let's protect everything because we're paranoid" bootloader.
[XPERIA X10 General] Astral07:
first of, big thanks to SELeak for sharing his info

i think if you were to share more in-depth info about the bootloader etc, you should contact the team that made the root for x10 possible, if you are willing, contact me on PM, i will give you the info how to get in direct contact with somebody from the team, if they have't contacted you already :)

best regards
[XPERIA X10 General] karendar:
Your title might also be taken as misleading, as Froyo is not a "major release" per say. Version 2.1 to 2.2 is a minor release in my book. ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] saltorio:
+10

SELeak, if you do in fact work for SE development, the community here would very much appreciate any assistance you could give in helping to crack the bootloader.

However, as it stands this thread really doesn't belong in the Android Development forum, as it isn't directly contributing to Android development on the X10.
[XPERIA X10 General] egzthunder1:
Thread moved to General. Play nice people...
[XPERIA X10 General] naplesbill:
Yeah, and I work with God at the center of the Universe. If you are who you say you are, your job won't last long. You will easily be tracked and taken out of your position. So, why would you risk your job over something like this? I'm not buying this for one second.
[XPERIA X10 General] SELeak:
Hello again,

Just to answer a few of the questions posted to this thread.

Questions:

Tool to change certification from retail to dev

Cracking the bootloader / Helping the community to crack it

General Consensus of the team when they heard the phone was rooted

With regards to a tool that can change the "certification" of a phone. I/we don't have that in our area and like most telco companies there is a certain level of paranoia and for good reason. I would have leaked that tool from day one!

I am a firm believer in open source for the purpose of progress.

With regards to providing an engineering bootloader. Its not as simple as providing a single binary file since we work in modules here. To answer a sub question if you will, I am already working with the team to help crack the bootloader.

In this instance it is more of an exploit to by pass certain routines that needs to be done.

Finally,

What did the team say when they heard the phone was rooted...

Indifference. Complete and utter indifference. The reason for this is because we all fought against locking down the phone the way it was decided to be done since it was a waste of money and resources.

There was a discussion though with regards to what it meant to having a rooted phone for the community since we knew that didn't mean you could just install Eclair or Froyo.
[XPERIA X10 General] Candy[MAN]:
Amen to that! Thanks for all your info!
[XPERIA X10 General] will.m:
Thanks for the answers SELeak. I'm still more than a little skeptical, but sounds more plausible than the initial post now. I sincerely hope this is legit and that your help will allow our devs to crack the bootloader.

Either way, the moment Google announced that you can only use flash on 2.2+, I already had a feeling we were screwed if you were a user that picked the x10 and wanted flash.
[XPERIA X10 General] ddewbofh:
The final bits about indifference says quite a lot about how far removed corporate culture is from the hacker culture. Releasing an unlocked bootloader, even if it's released under the penalty of voiding the warranty, would make a pretty grand statement. I don't know if it would turn the X10 into a bestseller overnight but it would definitely make it a device of choice for many hackers.

It's possible that my reasoning might be lacking but I honestly believe that SE has nothing to lose from a move like that, it would generate epic amounts of good press. It would also lead to tons of free advertising from hackers making custom ROMs and various Android blogs. If they warmed up to the community, either by active cooperation or simply by enabling us to modify the software, it would really help their reputation among geeks. Especially now that Motorola and Samsung are trying harder to lock their devices down.
[XPERIA X10 General] forzanerazzurri:
I refuse to believe a guy who cant even spell "Xperia" properly.
[XPERIA X10 General] goth50:
I think that Jesus, Alah and Budha will come and port android 3.0 because i'm sick of this kind of discussion..... For crying out loud.... i love my x10 right now, dont now what are u expecting from 2.1 ? rocket launcher ????? :D
[XPERIA X10 General] MarylandCookie:
Sounds like this may have something to do with...... yes... im going to say it....

multitouch and apple patents.. hmmm!!!
[XPERIA X10 General] LIQU1D5NAKE:
SEleak, can i just say i work for SE UK and we have completely different info to what you have, my Xperia is running 3.0 Gingerbread lol, heres the proof !:p
[XPERIA X10 General] tigger69:
Photoshop :p
[XPERIA X10 General] pngface:
Why don't you just make it say 3.5 Honeycomb while ur at it...

We need more proof than that
[XPERIA X10 General] zhilix01:
very interesting, i hope with you knowledge, you can contribute a bit to the cyangenmod team..
[XPERIA X10 General] ddewbofh:
It might bevery farfetched, but it is a possibility nonetheless. Given how tenacious Apple has been defending their products and patents in the past it's looking more and more like that they'll come after Google in the near future. It would be a costly case but both Apple and Google can afford taking it to court.

One could even imagine that Oracle has opened the floodgates with their java lawsuit. It might set a precedent, opening the door for other companies to go after the once considered untouchable Google.

Going that far is perhaps verging on tinfoil-hat paranoia but stranger things have happened.
[XPERIA X10 General] charliechocolate:
My doubts:

I think a lot of the slowdown on X10 is due to resources being tied up in the psp phone which was leaked by engadget.

I think the dialect of the post is westernized. I know some swedish and finnish people online and they speak very differently than the OP. The OP uses a lot of western expression - "with regards to"....

Just my thoughts, but I'm leaning towards a troll job.

And yes - the burden of proof IS on the OP.

edit: If the OP is working with the dev team - they could very easily vouch for the validity of his character and information.
[XPERIA X10 General] naplesbill:
Hmmm, iHim and Tomboss disappear and SELeak suddenly appears?!?!?!?!?
[XPERIA X10 General] kbadone:
I worked with SE in RTP for a year and a half while I was a student, So to make sure the OP is not lying, I have a question for you

What is the name of the online Database program that SE uses within all locations?

if you can answer this then I believe you:rolleyes:
[XPERIA X10 General] beno1:
The problem with your reasoning is that its, well, reasonable. What probably happened: SE hired a bunch of insanely expensive "consultants" (how I hate that word...:p) who produced hundreds of pages of text which in essence went something like "Apple got filthy rich by ignoring users, locking down their products and generally not giving a crap about Open Source. Let's just do that!"
[XPERIA X10 General] ddewbofh:
Re: colloquial expressions.

I'm bred, born and raised in Sweden and I use tons of expressions like "with regards to" etc. I don't know how we rank today, but in the past we Swedes have been pretty well versed in English as a nation. Using language traditionally associated with the US might just mean that he uses the web a lot or watches tons of TV. :)

Not to mention that we're a central European country, our language helped form the English language and American English even more so. :P

(Yes, I am slightly territorial when it comes to the subject Swedes speaking English. ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] LIQU1D5NAKE:
here you go lol
[XPERIA X10 General] ddewbofh:
You're probably right. But Ericsson is a Swedish company and my patriotic duty is to defend it's actions and instead blame the (presumably) Japanese or American marketing/planning department. ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] tigger69:
ddewbofh,Sorry but english is associated with England not the us, imo english us should be just called american.

I am from England btw.
[XPERIA X10 General] beno1:
hehe, those consultants probably where hired from overseas ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] :
Sony Ericsson Just Wants to be Successful; Aims to be Largest Android Supplier in the World http://phandroid.com/2010/09/02/son...-to-be-largest-android-supplier-in-the-world/
[XPERIA X10 General] ddewbofh:
I agree, but it doesn't matter what we think. The official language of the US is English so that's what I'll keep calling it. :)
[XPERIA X10 General] Nankov:
hmm i think thats a pretty eazy question i dont know anything about that kind of stuff and i know the answer and i think the other person has a point that tomboss and ihim dissapeared and now this guy appears. also my man if you do work for SE what is the reason they are not releising froyo? i mean do they have another device coming or what? it cant be just the change of managment as it doesnt make sence not to support their flagship device.

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[XPERIA X10 General] MarylandCookie:
Rememer what happened to the ps3 dualshock... although that was sony computer entertainment europe....
[XPERIA X10 General] HunteronX:
Thanks for the info, SELeak.

I hope that you are telling the truth, and I think you are, especially relating to the locking the down of the phone's bootloader.

Sony themselves wanted to restrict hacking on the PSP, even though brilliant (imo) homebrew developments were being made in 'the scene', and now it's nearly dead, again imo.

But, for SE to lock a phone bootloader down which when unlocked would work just as fine, and with a recovery image, make the phone even harder to 'brick', sounds so stupid to me. For me it is also a waste of time and resources. Because of SE's indecision, froyo may not even be released now - and they argued for months about this! :mad: (According to your info)

SE don't care about consumers; they seem to only care about money now, which will be their downfall, if they don't change now. How much money do they need to lose to find out what people want. All they had to do was a little market research - surveys on phone/gadget sites, and in phone stores - simple, isn't it? :confused:

Sorry for the rant - and I really hope this bootloader can be replaced by us, or at least hacked, to allow us to do what we want with the phone.
[XPERIA X10 General] kbadone:
I USED to work with SE, that was back in 2009, besides they closed down the RTP site last month, all of the people I worked with are all gone now :(

If you know the answer to my question, please say it:D
[XPERIA X10 General] mootmaina:
What a major fake pick.
[XPERIA X10 General] ballubas:
it doesnt matter if se will or wont give us froyo or not or whatever is beyond there, our dev team will eventually be giving us custom roms with the latest versions of android!
[XPERIA X10 General] Contrarian:
it's probably frenchie with his 2.1 fota claim.

P.S don't feed the trolls insecurity.
[XPERIA X10 General] afhstingray:
Gingerbread has been run on the x10 in labs, but apparently its barely useable and there are no plans to customize it.
[XPERIA X10 General] mmk92:
complete bull****, a desprate plee for attention
[XPERIA X10 General] erilis:
maybe sony's like **** it, we promised them 2.1 we'll give them 2.1 but at the rate those xda devs are working, let's just leave 2.2+ to them
[XPERIA X10 General] ddewbofh:
I see it like this: So what if the OP is legit or not? I have nothing to lose by engaging in a dialog with him. What's the worst that can happen? It's not like I lose anything. So what if nothing "real" turns up, it's still an entertaining conversation. That's my reason for hanging around these boards anyways, the discussions.
[XPERIA X10 General] Bourbon Brain:
Agreed. I'm not engaging in this thread to prove or disprove anything, I'm merely curious as to the insight surrounding this discussion.
[XPERIA X10 General] mezo9090:
Exactly, topic like this doesn't give facts, its just a nice discussion.
[XPERIA X10 General] se_dude:
The major gripe with the argument was the OPs ever changing theories. Furstly, Froyo was to be released in August where SE had pretty much ascertained that 2.1 was coming in Q4 by April. Also, I dont see how the management can have a say in proving 2.2 to the people. I mean, its not like a new version costs them or anything. Now, when charged that SE were going to release Froyo in Q1 2011 he changed his stance to the aforementioned date and stay put again. Well..
[XPERIA X10 General] misfit41:
You should let us know the low down on the next flagship that SE is developing then! Just so we know what to save our pennies for! :)
[XPERIA X10 General] ddewbofh:
The argument in the first post of this thread is pretty reasonable. The final Android version we'll get is Eclair and it's coming soon while Froyo would only be deployed on future models. It's not a scenario I like and hopefully it's wrong but it wouldn't surprise me at all if things turn out this way.
[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
Pretty much this.

It goes against every public statement the company has made. They've said multiple times "2.1 is coming in Q3, we'll implement future versions after that."

Successful troll is successful.
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Anyone else wonder where SELeak has gone? He hasn't posted in a while it seems. Anywho, I just don't believe anyone without proof...till then he is a troll or maybe an apple fanboy :)
[XPERIA X10 General] ddewbofh:
I bow to your superior knowledge, for some reason I'd gotten the idea that SE would deploy Eclair in Q3 and after that they'd look in to possibly upgrading to Froyo.

Well, at least it killed some time. :)
[XPERIA X10 General] Bourbon Brain:
I don't see why this community is so black and white on these issues.

If he is trying to troll, then it's not all that successful because MOST of the posts have been quite constructive against the usual 'OMG WRYHY SO MEAN FOR SE! YOU SUCK!!!!11111oneoneeleven'.
[XPERIA X10 General] ddewbofh:
And lets not forget that the tone of his posts was respectful and he did present a reasonable argument. I'm keeping an open mind, a simple spelling error or a minor detail isn't enough for me to completely dismiss it. The whole thing doesn't "feel" like troll so at the very least we can employ some degree of civility. If it turns out to be a trolling attempt it's an epic fail regardless. Trolling boards is traditionally about stirring up drama and turning people against each other. So far he hasn't attacked anyone or made any obvious attempt at riling up emotions.

I'm sticking with my original plan, keeping an open mind and acknowledge that without proof the best way is to stay skeptic while "investigating" further.
[XPERIA X10 General] pngface:
I guess he(or she)'s either sleeping now or is busy getting fired :p

Thanks for the info though, whether true or not, it did interest me
[XPERIA X10 General] emuneee:
LOL what department. I was full time in APV before the layoffs in 2008. :)
[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
I agree he's constructive and it's welcome to the more outlandish things we see here...

It's just, on the internet, and especially regarding tech, hearsay without evidence is just hearsay. Forgive me for being cynical and not believing a random newbie. I'd rather be optimistic and hope SE will deliver upgrades as promised... it makes a lot more sense than being ultra-negative about things (as this thread was designed to do).

Edit: Also, a flagship phone with less than 6 months of support? That's just silly talk. That's how I see this "news."
[XPERIA X10 General] kbadone:
I used to work in Mobile Computing department, then switched to Convergence for a few months:)
[XPERIA X10 General] naplesbill:
Come on people, he clearly wants to stir the pot. His claims and explanations are so generic as well. The whole scenario just doesn't make sense.

I am sorry but nobody with that level of responsibility and access would risk their job like this. He probably just gets his jollies off seeing how naive people can be.

He is disguising negative comments by sugar coating them.
[XPERIA X10 General] Contrarian:
Not to mention it isn't something bandied around the office randomly. I can tell you for a fact, strategic marketing/management decisions like this occur behind closed doors, in a boardroom located on the top floor at SE headquarters in London.

Besides, unless you're incredibly stupid, why when leaking sensitive information would you include details about your country of origin and position held if ??
[XPERIA X10 General] KingCifer:
if you guys really think SE are giving you more then the promised update - you guys never bought a SE phone before ....

my 2nd SE phone was a k800i - i tried to do software updates every now and then and there werent any available ...

then i reflashed my k800i with the software from a k810i ... and it was much faster!

that means - they could release updates - but they just dont ****ing care coz you already bought their product

(they are like apple - the only difference is they sell good hardware at an resonable price, and not crap hardware for a fortune like apple does)
[XPERIA X10 General] ddewbofh:
Damn you kids and your newfangled doo-hickeys. Back in my youth we had to use the RTM firmware and we liked it! :P
[XPERIA X10 General] Mancubus99:
I can't believe nobody asked this!

Since you say you are a developer, can you confirm if multi touch is supported? :-)
[XPERIA X10 General] becknise:
I can't believe you asked this
[XPERIA X10 General] mezo9090:
Ok , thats it i am evacuating before the flood, multitouch + the kid who started the topic = spam till you bring down the dam
[XPERIA X10 General] GPdhillon:
Doesn't effect that much, I change my phone every year (another 6 months to go). I heard new 1.6ghz phone are coming ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] kitsVA:
Exactly.:D. It will be nice if SE comes up with a model that stays ahead of the competition instead of trying to play catch up in specs.

Sony camera's have HDR for almost a year and they never cared to have it on their phones. Looks what happened now? Apple already added the feature in iPhone.
[XPERIA X10 General] tigger69:
Yes but that HDR is a cherry on a turd.
[XPERIA X10 General] SELeak:
Hello again,

Yes there is Multi-Touch support. I will not come out and say that it is anywhere as close as the smoothness you would get on an iPhone because I would be lying.

But yes, there is support.
[XPERIA X10 General] naplesbill:
I bet you would say whatever people want to hear. How about a hidden dedicated GPU or 512mb of memory? Maybe it's actually a 12mp camera as well?
[XPERIA X10 General] Nankov:
:eek: Why do you this to us man? Whatch the flame in this thread go crazy now...

Really prove that you work for SE or just stop sparking the flame. This is ridiculous, everyone is tired from reading fake threads and people like you that make statements and have nothing to back them up with, just like lordphoenix, gbil, tomboss and ihim. Or maybe you are all of them and you keep causing chaos in the forums by changing names..no? Prove it.
[XPERIA X10 General] FRAPSROOTET:
Alrite

all your bozos that belives this, could also belive in Jesus smoking the herb..

Well all I want to clear out here is that he will "BS" u all, if u keep feeding him up, Just leave SELeak and let him live hes life telling lies.

Cause the truth lays in SE's mind and not your mouth "SeLeak".

Fakers should be decapitated, since they make random drama.
[XPERIA X10 General] digitall1982:
very funny.. now we know that all this is just lies.. official se blog says there is hardware limitation and now you say this haha..