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[XPERIA X10 General] naplesbill:
It's very simple for me to realize the difference between these two devices. If you play a lot of movies and videos the SGS has a better screen. If you do a lot of browsing (reading involved), SMS, email, etc. then the X10 is better. This is based on my own interaction with both devices. I had the Captivate for 28 days and I've had the X10 for 14 now. I really do prefer the X10 screen simply because it has clearer text. For how I use my phone, the text is far more important than contrast and black saturation levels.
[XPERIA X10 General] will.m:
I have tested it. In matter of fact, I do it every night and a black screen is not enough to illuminate my way from the living room to the bedroom 50ft away with the lowest brightness with no auto adjustment. In a bathroom, or any small enclosed area, light will reflect off surfaces and can give a false perspective on how bright the backlight actually is.

And honestly, I don't care how "good" or how "bad" these screens are because they all suck to me. The blacks on the x10 look grey? No crap sherlock. The Galaxy S has better blacks? Whoopedeedoo. Now let's see how much better the Galaxy S handles video with different shades; probably not that great based on viewing angles and ambient lighting. Is it better than the x10, maybe, but probably not that big of a difference.

Yes, deep blacks are very important for accurate colors, but you still use contrast ratios as the sole metric for determining quality when no two companies agree with what 50000:1 actually means.

I have played with the Galaxy S and I Do like the user experience, but I'm not going to say that it's the uber mobile that the x10 isn't because of the simple fact that they're all not that different. Clearer, richer, and chrisper? Are you also going to tell me that cleartype doesn't make a difference either?

Specs? The x10 dispays more pixels so that means better to me.:rolleyes:

Anyways, like I've said a couple times already, constrast ratio doesn't mean squat except suckering people into thinking that what they're buying this year is sooo much better than what they bought last year.
[XPERIA X10 General] will.m:
I am quoting the right person. You're the one that said that I was down playing the specs when in reality, I'm comparing the limits and practical use of the technologies and not comparing subjective are marketing benchmark hype.

edit: Nice pics btw. Again, I'm not saying that the x10 has a better screen, but that the Galaxy S, while better, isn't that great either. There's obvious backlight bleed that's kinda on par for LCD screens for the x10, whereas LED screens can be better. If anything, your pics show that the Galaxy S confirms this, but the x10 is also better at showing certain colors as well even while being limited to 65k colors.

But that is some Serious backlight bleed on your x10. Mine isn't even half that bad. :(
[XPERIA X10 General] rocketpaul:
Im not the one trotting on about specs (as you claimed) look through the thread I have not mentioned one spec of either phone.

You clearly dont get the idea of this thread. You Fail.
[XPERIA X10 General] SK_007:
x10 vs sgs

Hi in my view none of them got the perfect screen if sgs screen shows better blacks and it is better for video viewing(in your opinion)then x10's screen is way better for reading texts and browsing anyway there are several other things which anybody of us care about despite the screen first of all do you think that the crappy camera of sgs is better than x10's camera?secondly is x10 as laggy as sgs?thirdly is the ****ty design and build quality of sgs comparable to x10's?cmon man every phone has its pros and cons and the truth is the list of pros in x10 is very large compared to sgs(who has a large list of cons in opposite)in my view so just chill and be happy whatever you got,regards.
[XPERIA X10 General] berbecverde:
The Red Roses look better on the X10.:p
[XPERIA X10 General] will.m:
ORLY?

I'm the one that FAILd because you're obviously not supporting the objectivity of exaggerated contrast ratios when I'm trying to break it down correct? Just because you didn't enumerate the specs doesn't mean that you didn't just hold them up as some objective truth.
[XPERIA X10 General] SK_007:
x10 vs sgs

yeah! not better infact only the flowers in x10 looks red AND in samsung they are orange hahaha! poor samsung :P
[XPERIA X10 General] skydirt:
Thank you rocketpaul for those pics! They are quite good. The dark side by side comparison is what I was talking about. The SGS screen black is amazing.

It;s hard to tell from the picture, but is the SGS red roses really that much more orange then the x10? the pink roses on the SGS look much nicer, but then the red roses look much better on the x10, well assuming they are truly red and it's the correct colour.

will.m

Are you daft mate? seriosly. This was a x10 vs SGS comparison. You obviously do not get it. So far I was comparing the x10 screen vs the SGS one.

I never said the x10 black screen could be used as a freakin flash light. It was an observation on the quality of the SGS screen contrast compared to the x10's. Rocket's awesome picture clearly illustrates that point. I;m not saying you use the damn thing as a spelunking light. But in a dark room it can certainly be used as a very dull light and gives off a glow. Look at Rockets pic. Amazing.

Well then GTFO out the thread. Thats exactly what this thread is about. A x10 vs SGS discussion. I happen to be talking about the screen in relation to each other. I could care less if either mobile screen can't stand up to the best OLED HDTV... :rolleyes:

You do realize that better blacks make display good? It's what the industry strives for. the deepest blacks it can get. The blacker the black, the less bleeding light into colours which makes the colours appear brighter and more vibrant. Giving the over all picture a better quality view. This is exactly what the SGS screen does over and better then the x10 screen. I'm still amazed that the SGS screen has little to non existent screen edge bleeding. I wish they could make PC's mons that good.
[XPERIA X10 General] skydirt:
Ya, real "exaggerative" contrast ratio here.....:rolleyes:

http://img521.imageshack.us/i/dsc00423v.jpg/

The SGS embarrasses the x10 in this regard. It's not even close.
[XPERIA X10 General] anjo2:
SGS is 4.0"?!?!? It look likes a bit smaller...
[XPERIA X10 General] skydirt:
It depends on how you look at it.

The X10 screen is slimmer and longer.

The SGS is wider and shorter.
[XPERIA X10 General] rocketpaul:
Objective: Uninfluenced by emotions or personal prejudices

The sgs has a darker screen and a higher contrast ratio, fact. I will not discuss this further with you.
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
What's the point of this thread? Just feel like *****in about something? People need to stop *****in about there x10 or any other devices really....I mean in a few more months time there will be a new phone that makes the sgs colors look like ****....you gonna post a thread then about how the sgs now sucks?

Lame! Enjoy your phone rather than ***** about it compared to someone elses.
[XPERIA X10 General] rocketpaul:
To ***** about the x10 would be to say how it is crap phone(which it is not). Comparing the screens of two phones is hardly *****ing tbh and I highly doubt a thread on XDA will make anyone enjoy their phone less.
[XPERIA X10 General] anjo2:
No... Its 4" or not. I measure my X10 and it is 4.0"

sqrt(5^2+8.9^2)/2.54 = 4"
[XPERIA X10 General] rocketpaul:
Ive measured both now, they are both 4" diagonally.
[XPERIA X10 General] will.m:
Since you want to parse definitions with me, some of the pics you posted clearly show that the x10 has more accurate color rendering in darker colors than the Galaxy S. The only objective statement that could be made here is that some colors are displayed better on the x10 and some things are displayed better on the Galaxy S despite the differing technologies and non-universal contrast ratios. But thanks for playing.
[XPERIA X10 General] skydirt:
It's an objective discussion. It's a shame that the "forums" in which we pride are mediums in which such discussions were not only welcomed, but encouraged. Now when one pops up here now and then, people get all bent out of shape because it happens to go against their beliefs, or hurts their feelings.

Would you prefer more "omg, how do I flash my x10" or "there is MT after all on the x10" or how about some more " x10 wont see 2.1 ill Q4" threads?

This is not an x10 bashing thread. I didn't get that vibe at all. I actually felt it was the other way around. It iss a pro x10 as it is being compared to a newer "top of the line" device and it so happens it is actually better in many ways. My involvement was solely screen based, in which just happens to be one of the SGS stronger suits.

One thing I do like about the SGS OS over the x10? The quick setting power bar being located in the pull down status curtain. I love that.
[XPERIA X10 General] skydirt:
Can you measure the width and length of each one?
[XPERIA X10 General] rocketpaul:
X10 1.9"x3.5"

Galaxy s 2"x3.4"

Bare in mind im using a tape measure lol.
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Ok fair enough,,,but why compare a phone thats been out for a while to a newer released phone? Lets look at the specs:

Xperia X10: TFT capacitive touchscreen, 65K colors, 480 x 854

Galaxy S: Super AMOLED capacitive touchscreen, 16M colors, 480 x 800

With the galaxy s being super amoled and supporting 16 million colors is there really need for this comparision? It seems quite obvious that the galaxy s would have the better display so why even compare?

Anyways, maybe im just in a bad mood today....well actually I am....sorry
[XPERIA X10 General] will.m:
While I agree with your sentiment(and boy do I), the OP and the first few posts were pretty informative. Let's not group the contributers in with the trolls. :)
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
yeah, like I said in the post above yours...Im just in a bad mood today, maybe I should just not post anymore today lol.

sorry op...not trying to piss you off...I just dont think the comparsion of these 2 particular phones is fair.

Maybe when the x10 gets 2.1 and 16 million colors we can get a more fair comparision.
[XPERIA X10 General] rocketpaul:
No your 100% right, having both phones i tried to make the point the galaxy S had the better screen on the 1st page but then on the 2nd page you will see how the whole thread descended into a pointless brawl. Guess who started that brawl. before you know it Will is banging on about the inaccuracy of contrast ratios.
[XPERIA X10 General] anjo2:
With handycalc

4"=10.16cm

10.16^2=x^2+(15x/9)^2

horizontal: 5.227cm

vertical: 8.717cm

X10

horizontal: 4.978cm

vertical: 8.857cm
[XPERIA X10 General] Futang44:
For one, if you need to see in the dark, don't use a blank black screen, use the x10's built in flash!

One will not be able to do a proper side by side on screen appearance until the x10 gets 2.1, but by that time the cappy will be on 2.2! The only thing holding me back on returning my cappy is the fact that I'm getting froyo so soon...
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
yeah, I just re read through the thread. In the end oh well a newer released phone with higher specs has a better screen than mine....makes sense....I still like my x10 over the galaxy s...though I didn't play with it for much more than an hour so who knows.
[XPERIA X10 General] miguelsantos1979:
The point of this thread was only to point out that we have a pretty good phone (x10 owners) and that we shouldn't feel that our phone is getting old fast and that we made a wrong buy. I actually think it's actually getting newer. Soon getting 2.1 and the hardware will be full utilized.

Enjoy the best that our X10 can offer. Camera, audio music, UI Sony customization, "laggness" and sharp / crispy screen.

Let's just enjoy and hope that 2.1 will boost the quality and functions of our phone.

Cheers.
[XPERIA X10 General] rocketpaul:
Amen to that :)
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Something else I have been thinking about....SE has announced that 2.1 will be released for OTA before the end of september...NOW, on that note the announcment came from SE UK site....so, what I have been thinking about is will 2.1 be released in North America as well as across the waters before the end of september OR just across the waters before the end of september first, and us probably like oct/nov?

Really curious and almost scared to get the answer.
[XPERIA X10 General] rocketpaul:
If it gets released anywhere cant we just flash the version that comes out, im pretty sure thats what i did for rb16 even though it wasnt out in the uk at the time.
[XPERIA X10 General] Bwyan Benton:
Maybe you can, but I have no idea how to do that and Im not about to practice on this phone lol. Hopefully it just gets released all together...thats what Ive been crossing my fingers for.
[XPERIA X10 General] rocketpaul:
It should be tbh maybe some minor delays due to various networks implementing their own things etc, if anything there will probably be a very easy tutorial made by someone on this site.;)
[XPERIA X10 General] pngface:
Well I don't know if I'm going to get bashed for posting this without any official confirmation, but for those who want to know: I spoke to a guy from Rogers and he said that the X10a in Canada atleast should get 2.1 roughly a week after the UK release... keep in mind... this is not official, so if I'm not supposed to post unofficial stuff here then please let me know and delete the post
[XPERIA X10 General] SK_007:
Hi in my view none of them got the perfect screen if sgs screen shows better blacks and it is better for video viewing(in your opinion)then x10's screen is way better for reading texts and browsing anyway there are several other things which anybody of us care about despite the screen first of all do you think that the crappy camera of sgs is better than x10's camera?secondly is x10 as laggy as sgs?thirdly is the ****ty design and build quality of sgs comparable to x10's?cmon man every phone has its pros and cons and the truth is the list of pros in x10 is very large compared to sgs(who has a large list of cons in opposite)in my view so just chill and be happy whatever you got,regards. Hi rocketpaul i posted the above thread yesterday as well and and i asked the above question from you(though i forgot to mention it yesterday)and thus expected an answer from you,i hope to get an answer from your side this time.Regards.
[XPERIA X10 General] SK_007:
GalaxyS(S stands for?)

Does anybody know what does S stands for in samsung GalaxyS cmon! cmon! guess it,ok ok ok i'll tell you S stands for ****! so galaxyS means Galaxy **** :P
[XPERIA X10 General] lildic:
Thanks for the info.very usefull :)
[XPERIA X10 General] rocketpaul:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=772356

Just for you.
[XPERIA X10 General] SK_007:
Oh thanks for that btw i will say one thing in the end the original tand new concept is always better in my view than some copy cat(i mean i still feel X10 is better than sgs which is 70% copy of iphone)but still thanks once agin for this detailed comparison,regards.
[XPERIA X10 General] ddewbofh:
Original doesn't always mean that it's better. The iPhone "form factor" works really well. If Apple had been as open with iOS as Google is with Android I would jump ship in a heartbeat. The iPhones are great so cloning them might not be a bad thi ng. :)

But yeah, the X10 "wins" as far as standing out goes. The SGS is a little generic.
[XPERIA X10 General] anguslaw:
"Pixels"

The original post is talking about the pixels.

I totally agree with it.

One can see the pixels in galaxy s.

On the other hand, about the brightness, when you turn off auto adjust brightness, the x10 is as bright as the galaxy s

For the person who does not have both phones, please keep your mouth shut.
[XPERIA X10 General] rocketpaul:
lol, your welcome:)
[XPERIA X10 General] arcticreaver:
the audio quality on the x10 isn't that great. i have a nexus one and side by side playing the same sound, you can totally tell the difference between to two phones. and when i mean difference, i mean nexus one sounds clear and louder.
[XPERIA X10 General] naplesbill:
Is that on the built in speaker or external headphones/speaker? Maybe this is related to the low volume complaints by some people?
[XPERIA X10 General] avion111:
apparently i heard that the sgs is going to get the android 3.0 (gingerbread) update which is out in october/november, while the x10 will not due to the low ram it has,

im really confused to which phone i should buy or should i wait a little longer?
[XPERIA X10 General] naplesbill:
The SGS hasn't even gotten 2.2 yet. Don't believe any rumors until they are confirmed by the manufacturer.
[XPERIA X10 General] Greenarcher707:
I actually have them both. I like using the SGS as a multimedia device but mainly use the X10 as my primary means of communication.

Here's a picture of the X10 taken with my SGS

Here's a picture of the SGS taken with my X10
[HD2 General] phoenixrise:
hi, i flashed a new ROM, and i absolutely love it, the only thing that i dont like is the different email previews when you scroll to the mail tab, i miss the old paper-like email preview from the stock ROM, i was wondering if anybody could point me out in the right direction of how to get the old look of the email preview back ( if there is any cab or a registry tweak ) , thank you
[Android Software Development] Coffeinchen:
Hey there,

since I have no clue about Android development, is it possible to access the USB on a rooted phone and simulate a USB Hub? Reason for this is a possible port to android phones of the open source jailbreak PSGroove found here:

github.com/psgroove/psgroove
[Android Software Development] nicandris:
well it is, but it's a small mixup especially if you have no clue about android.

instructions can be found here (tested and working on N1)
[Android Software Development] Coffeinchen:
Thanks for that, that already helps a lot!
[Android Software Development] thawab:
well i was going write a topic about it .... the Teensy++ USB Development Board and AT90USBKEY are sold out we will have to wait 2 weeks.

android seems to have the required hardware

the Teensy++ usb is sold for $24

so a psjailbreak app in the market for a $10 is great deal

any developer interested ?

edit:

further info on the exploit

ps3wiki.lan.st/index.php?title=PSJailbreak_Exploit_Reverse_Engineering

cheers
[Android Software Development] PlaYOuT:
can someone try it?PLSS
[Android Software Development] wksk:
This would be awesome! I'll donate.
[Android Software Development] PlaYOuT:
hope there is a possibility, because all are sold out usbkey
[Android Software Development] arm5ky:
Here the github code of the open source version

github.com/psgroove/psgroove
[Android Software Development] dsh897:
WOw THIS WOULD BE AMAZING IF WE COULD get this fully working just flash into kernals etc.. soo from then on all you'd have to do is plug in your usb and have access to keyboards. mouse. flash disks. etc..
[Android Software Development] brusilva:
Would be great if we could have an apk that does it..

I would surely buy it.. maybe someone with some good knowledge of porting apps wants to get some money from it...
[Android Software Development] jasonpeinko:
found this in a comment on maxconsole.

Stage 2 done. Thinking If I should use PSGroove or OpenPSJailbreak as a base. for stage 3 about 7 hours ago via TweetDeck

Lol I just got my Android to mimic the 6 port hub. Stage 1 Complete ;)

http://twitter.com/qberty1337
[Android Software Development] jamiejones85:
This dude is looking for beta testers of his android port netzke.blogspot.com
[Android Software Development] brusilva:
http://twitter.com/qberty1337/status/22834648971
[Android Software Development] haxzamatic:
Sounds good I knew someone was doing it :) I'm currently using a Blackcat JTAG, if there sold out of the Teensy grab one of them and use Flip to load the binary. I'll most likely use a device dedicated to this but I'm sure tons of people will enjoy this. It will be cool to be able to run the exploit on the go, to show friends or something.
[Android Software Development] Jollibee:
fix ............
[Android Software Development] slayerpsp:
netzke seems legit time will tell he said beta by the end of the week. Im just glad I keep my Palm Pre around after I upgraded to the Evo I just used the Pre to jailbreak my ps3 crazy stuff
[Android Software Development] Airbag888:
Just curious, the scrubby nub I am wonders what form this 'jailbreak' will take for android, an installable apk that just requires (or not - no way) root, some full fledged ROM?

I'm a bit scared too after reading netzke's blog seeing how he mentioned 1 or 2 phones blew up cause they got shorted or something but I can't help but look forward to it.
[Android Software Development] nicholasbgr:
Netzke is a scammer. Everything on his blog is pure bull****.

The guys over the Desire forums already ported psfreedom to it. Go check if its compatible with your device.
[Android Software Development] t4tav:
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[Android Software Development] Airbag888:
Get Ready for the newbish questions.

I'll start:

What are the requirements for those instructions to work? I understood initially that you would need a particular ROM. From reading the post on the Desire forums it appears as if you need to unlock your bootloader (true/false) So what ROM are you using?

Lastly <3 tyvm for the instructions

Edited cause I can't read..
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[Android Software Development] marco2662:
tried installing this on my dream g1 and while installing ps3-signed.zip i get error (status 0) any help? running nightly cm6 2.2 @D
[Android Software Development] secretgate:
is this possible with HTC HD2 and Android??
[Android Software Development] hard_maniacs:
Hi guys, i have a HTC Sapphire(Magic 32b)...it's ok your wiki (with your file) for me??? :)
[Android Software Development] Airbag888:
Wow this looks great so one final question - a bit more precise and I think a few people are in my shoes.

I just rooted the phone with the universal (safe) rooting method (basically to use market enabler) but my bootloader is locked. I'm on a Nexus one running Stock Froyo FRF91. Following your instructions should yield a success. Now what does that imply for the phone.

Are there any 'side effects' to using your method?

Should I go learn how to make a nandroid backup (or whichever it is called?) and do it?

Thanks very much again.

Also to reply to a previous poster I saw in the Sheet that HTC's HD2 is using the same usb chip so with android on top it should work.
[Android Software Development] secretgate:
he problem is teh fastboot i ha eno recovery by emulatetd ANdroid
[Android Software Development] srbeen:
Just tried with my HTC desire - and now it's dead.. Yay.

I can still access recovery - but anything I flash has no effect. Phone will need to be 100% wiped at the least.

suggest anyone trying to have a solid recovery method in place!

./reflashed my ROM and the phones booting now. Anyone have better success on Bravo devices?

My device I believe is snapdragon processor with SLCD display with 0.83 boot. Using PinkyDesire 1.8. Maybe this rom is based too closely to Sense?
[Android Software Development] Airbag888:
Then you'll have to wait for an HD2 method :(
[Android Software Development] secretgate:
ohh thats not good :-(

thanks for you answer
[Android Software Development] Airbag888:
Did you flash your stock Desire with Sense? I think I read somewhere that it will work without sense
[Android Software Development] :
You didn't do a Nandroid before you flashed?
[Android Software Development] Airbag888:
I suggest following this thread and this one

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=772795&page=51

at the Desire forums as from page 50. Just be courteous as this is Desire's forum after all
[Android Software Development] secretgate:
thanks but the HD2 has no Trackball i have emulatet the nexus One with 2.2
[Android Software Development] svfusion:
No go on Hero Rooted with CM6. Can't use PS3-signed.zip I get a status 0