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[Wildfire General] hiteshshingadia:
even i want my htc wf to run flash 10.1 , but adobe has clearly mentioned that its designed for arm v7 processor ( i read it on one of the website ) i also got info from one website which says wildfire might start getting froyo upgrades from 15th of sept :) :) :) anyway sept fix for upgrade :) btw is hero compatible with flash 10.1 ??? i don think so , source pls ?
[Wildfire General] fishb00n:
i don't know - i thought i read about it in the forums somewhere around here,

can be wrong tho. maybe its just flash lite there is a youtube video for hero flash 10.1 but i can't tell if its lite or full flash :o
[Wildfire General] hiteshshingadia:
just came across a custom rom for htc hero by name fusion ... it is overclocked to run at nearly 700mhz ..............tht is a real good one !
[Wildfire General] Hanschr:
What the F***?

What kind of morrons are they at HTC? Why don't they get out of bed and make an agreement with the software developers to make the most basic applications work and function on the phone so the price of their phones can have a minimum of justification??

What kind of a sick system is this?

Furthermore you can't customize the phone in the most basic way that has been possible with Windows Mobile for ages. Are the Android developers dumb or what? You have to mess with root to install a simple wifi-program. What is this? A communism rebellion at HTC and Google? So I cant even take control of my own property? Thats like preventing someone buying a house to paint it afterwards.

I just knew that I never should have shifted from Windows Mobile to Android.
[Wildfire General] f0xy:
I think you hit the nail on the head here pal.

I feel the same
[Wildfire General] zaphod-159:
all that rage : O

thank god u didnt buy and iphone.
[Wildfire General] windywoo:
This is a ridiculously ignorant rant. They already disabled live wallpapers because of performance. If you have tried live wallpapers in the custom ROM from this forum you would see that performance is not so great. The UI starts to lag and some of the more complicated ones are not smooth at all. This would be a similar reason for them not to enable Flash. Remember that they are not making these phones with just the people on these forums in mind. They don't want to get complaints about Flash or Live wallpaper stuttering.

As for messing around with root, they close the system to narrow the options for hackers, and to prevent things being done with the phones that some carriers do not approve, such as wifi tethering.

If you think that this Windows was better wait for Windows phone 7 which will be just about as locked down as an iPhone.
[Wildfire General] Bas-Tyra:
Or .. you can just go back to WM :)
[Wildfire General] Hanschr:
Yes on my Wildfire Phone i can very easily go back to Windows Mobile....not!
[Wildfire General] zaphod-159:
i reckon the wildfire is going to get a quite a boost with froyo. imo its just the screen quality and resolution thats making this device i step below desire and hd2. the processor doesnt really matter since after froyo and increases of x3-5 kinda makes wildfire fast enough for its small screen.
[Wildfire General] Hanschr:
This is no ignorant rant. How can it be ignorant to shout about something? That's a contradiction in it self.

This is a pure frustration because of a phone that in practice is more like a standard GSM phone than a smartphone but costs ten times as much!

What are you? A lemming or what since you just seem to accept that HTC comes with some kind of crappy explanation for not having their phones working properly?

Me and others are not demanding functions and capabilities of the Wildfire that goes beyond the possibilities of todays technologies. We are demanding basic functions that can distinguish our smartphones from regular phones. If I just wanted to sms and make calls i would have bought a phone for 30 US dollars.

Tell me something. Do you want to hang your phone on the wall because it has a nice wall paper or do you actually want to use it for what it's ment for?

HTC can without question make the phone run regular flash. Don't tell me that they cant make a solution to make flash function. They just calculate how to make the highest profits and that way is to prevent the little brother of Desire to get the same functionality as Desire has even though its just a matter of programming. If you are so naive that you cant understand that then fine with me.

And about hackers. What are the probabilities of having your Wildfire hacked? They are about the same as to win the 1. prize US-lottery. They use hacking as an excuse to prevent people to customize their phones because they are afraid it will influent their future sales of new models in a negative direction.
[Wildfire General] Skye Menjou:
Now now kids, Don't fight.

Adobe needs ARM v7 processors because they have specific instructions for decoding content.

Its the same with rockplayer.

It makes a lot of sense from a developer kind of view and HTC can't do much about it.

A 260 euro phone doesn't pack enough punch, that's what you paid for, A low end smartphone.

If you really want the speed and the fancy stuff, buy a Desire or a legend.

Its like complaining your 250 euro computer can't handle a high end game.

Don't forget, decoding flash is VERY hard for a mobile processor.

I am really happy with my phone and Skyfire and Flash lite work perfectly.

Oh and have fun with your none existing Flash 10.1 on your WinMo 6.5(Before you say WinPho 7 will have it think that 7 needs a 1 ghz proc as minimum).
[Wildfire General] coolK3N:
what will you use flash for? if it's slow, laggy and too small...
[Wildfire General] imlgl:
Il just stick to my pc for flash, youtube works fine without it so im happy lol, and maybe html5 will be a possibility for the wildfire in the future.
[Wildfire General] Hanschr:
No thats absolutely NOT what I paid for. I got the Wildfire because I dont care about gaming and I think the desire is too big. The justification for the price difference is the screen size. The specs are almost the same except screen size and processor speed and for what i've read the Desire is slower than the Wildfire when compared doing standard tasks on the phone. Thats why I bought the Wildfire.

I dont believe a word of what your saying about Adobe not being able to implement flash on the Wildfire processor. If they wanted to they could do it. The processor is 528 mhz not 7 mhz. And HTC can do a lot about it. They corporate with the 3 parties suppliers because they need them. They probably made a deal with Adobe to prevent the Wildfire getting the same functionality as the Desire. This is not rocket science. Companies do those things all the time. Canon for example made a little restriction on a new digital camera model that was better than the older 6 month model in every other aspect to distinguish the two models so the older still would sell.

Adobe and HTC could probably make some kind of modification to make flash work they just wont invest the money in it. I had the Tytn II before and HTC didnt code the camera-software properly so the damn phone was lagging and made it useless for video-recording etc.. Then a camera-fix was released and that solved some of the problems. I dont remember if it was HTC or some hacker that solved it but it's a perfect example that shows that you cant just defacto blame everything on hardware. I use a music program called Cubase and the updates of the version I use made it run faster and more reliable on the same computer with the same specifications.
[Wildfire General] Skye Menjou:
Legend has a 600 MHz Armv7 cpu

Desire has a 1GHZ!!!! Snapdragon

http://www.htc.com/www/product/desire/specification.html

You are not developer are you?

The CPU instructions are needed for hardware decoding and its the same reason why Rockplayer doesn't work(ARMv7 version and the ARMv6 barely runs).

HTC doesn't make deals like that and its not only HTC devices that have ARMv6 cpus..

The Wildfire specs are roughly the same as an earlier top model a year back I believe.

Like I said You pay cheap, you get cheap.

269 euro is NOTHING for a real smartphone with android and certainly not a WinMo/WinPho device.
[Wildfire General] Hanschr:
Are YOU a developer (its just rhetorical) or do you just refer to what you have read on some kind of rotten Gadget website...

"...HTC doesn't make deals like that..."

Well if you say so then it really must be the truth because you are certainly a witness of truth with that kind of fantastic argumentation...

To claim that HTC doesn't corporate with big 3. part suppliers is just ignorant. Off course they dont corporate with every 1 man software developer company but they corporate with big ones because they depend of the software functionality of their phones.

Where I live the Desire costs about 120 EUROS more than the Wildfire. So in your mind 120 EUROS is a huuuuge amount distinguishing quality from discount... 120 Euros... Thats a rather alternative way of defining what quality is and what is not...
[Wildfire General] zaphod-159:
if it isnt huge why didnt u give that kinda money (u probably buy chewing gum for that money) and get the desire?

obviously to people that buy the desire, money matters.

i got the wildfire for 230 pounds while desire was 400 pounds. main reason i got it was i wanted a android phone but didnt have much money and i also dont like big chunky phones like desire or hd2 (doesnt mean if i had 400 pounds i wouldnt buy them :D)
[Wildfire General] Skye Menjou:
I am a developer.

Anyways, HTC would WANT Flash 10.1 to work.

They say the HTC Wildfire is flash compatible on the spec sheets I got at work.

Adobe doesn't make deals with HTC...Google maybe.

If you ever had enterprise contact(Which is part of my job) with Adobe you would see things differently.
[Wildfire General] zaphod-159:
+ why do u want flash? what u gna do with it lol
[Wildfire General] Hanschr:
Well a lot of sites has got flash. I trade on the stock markets very often and it would be very beneficial for me to because a lot of stock platforms streams in flash and very few delivers to mobile platform. So I have to log in on their sites as if I was using a desktop computer.

Furthermore our main tv-channels streams in flash in my Country (Denmark) and sometimes if you want to see the news etc. that would require flash.

There are other possibilities also but you get idea.
[Wildfire General] Hanschr:
Well as I already wrote :rolleyes: I dont like chunky phones either and i dont want to play games on the phone. And besides ive read a lot of places that the desire actually lacks speed when doing regular basic tasks compared to the wildfire.
[Wildfire General] Hanschr:
Im not sure that HTC would like that to work. Apparently it seems like they rather want loose so functionality in Wildfire to separate the market of Desire and Wildfire. Anyway it's always a cost benefit analysis for companies in general. They need people to buy the model but the sale must not influent other models in negative directing. If they really want that functionality and Adobe is the bottleneck then Adobe probably just wont invest in the development.

Google and HTC must have a lot of license agreement going and a operation system general issues.

So you have enterprise contact. Id really like to know more about that ;) That sounds interesting. What do you actually do? I cant imagine you are working for HTC and being in a place where custom roms and modifications floate all around.
[Wildfire General] Trism:
If what you say is true and HTC are "conspiring" with Adobe to prevent Flash from being released on the Wildfire then some enterprising young developer will surely bring out a mod to make the Flash work properly. Then you can crow all you like about conspiricy theories and all that bull. However I'm pretty sure that if the developers on this site tinker with Froyo and find that in fact HTC where telling the truth and flash really won't run properly on the lower spec processor you won't come back and say "Sorry guys, I was completely wrong to accuse HTC of being money-grabbing oppressors (like Apple and Microsoft)."

Basically what I'm trying to say is this: What you say doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things; HTC bods arn't going to be looking through forums and upon finding posts like yours suddenly scream "Egad! We've been found out! Quick everybody, to the emergency bunker!". What will be will be. Personally I've had a look around and I can't actually find any official announcement from HTC saying that Flash will not be available for the Wildfire Froyo, but I havn't looked that hard.

And if you really think WM is better than your current device, why don't you just sell it and buy a WM phone with the money? 0_o
[Wildfire General] Skye Menjou:
I never said I work with HTC.

I do have contacts inside of Adobe as part of my job.

I work in Desktop deployment and management for a rather large pharmaceutical enterprise.

We work with about 50.000+ PCs in the EMEA Sector.

We also need to deploy Adobe Reader, Flash and many other products(Photoshop to design devisions of regional departments par example).

We also maintain Windows Mobile devices for managers etc.

We even are currently looking into switching to Android devices once we have a access to a decent Exchange compatible email client (Default one lacks too much for our tastes).

Anyways enough about that.

I want to bet if I open my Communicator and talk to a Adobe Ent Support technician and ask them why flash isn't on ARMv6 they will give the same reason I gave you.

ARMv6 is old.

Its like programs not working with non-SSE2 cpus on desktops.

Same reason, The processor cannot understand the instruction set and coding it in software will not be even close to working.
[Wildfire General] windywoo:
It's ignorant because you clearly don't know anything about what you're shouting about. Shouting doesn't mean you are informed.

If you want features that distinguish your phone from a regular phone there is always pinch to zoom, widgets, social network integration etc. Flash by no means defines a smart phone. Is the iPhone not a smartphone because it can't do Flash?

About hackers, the probabilities of having your Wildfire hacked aren't particularly high but that's no reason for any company to make the hackers job easier. Besides, there are always scores of security experts looking for flaws to make their living. It would be extremely bad press for HTC to release a phone only for some security expert to come along and point out how easy it was to hack.
[Wildfire General] Skye Menjou:
I would like to add that the Wildfire has Flash Player light, Which works because it cannot play the more resource intensive and things that need hardware acceleration on it.

IT has the basic flash but It just cannot handle more.

The Wildfire works fine.

IT carries android, AGPS, Basic flash, Full HTML browsing, Exchange and (Push)Email integration, IM applications, the possibility to install many advanced application, development options, Microusb, HTC Sync(So also outlook integration), Facebook/gmail contact sync, RSS Feeds, Wifi tethering(soon), Wifi,3G, Decent keyboard with automatic prediction of words(When you type wrong).

I think these are all good qualities of a smartphone.

You can do a lot with android, you might just need to install some apps.

Its not locked in like a iCrap, way more flexible and good by default then WinMo.

WinPho 7 is also locked in and more like the iCrap.

I tested a lot of devices, but the functionality of a HTC Android phone surpasses other phones.

PS: With your HTC conspiracy theory, Do't forget there are other ARMv6 phones..
[Wildfire General] hiteshshingadia:
i completely agree its way better than so many other smart phones in the same price range... we are expecting lil too much out of it !!!
[Wildfire General] Hanschr:
Ehh do you seriously think Im sitting here waiting for HTC to read this thread and do something about it? I was just stating my opinion.

If I state my opinion with regards to the US president i dont expect him ringing my doorbell offering a nice cosy discussion about it the next day.

Hopefully there will be a mod if so.
[Wildfire General] Hanschr:
Well I see nothing but postulations in your post so what you "see so clearly" is nothing but your own belief and opinion. If you want to tell people what they know or not the minimum requirement must be followed by arguments but what do you do yourself? You just make claims. Nothing more.

Speak for your self with regards to how to define a smartphone. Al those features you mention can be done on most regular cell phones if you just have a browser that is capable of handling java. Its two more clicks compared to a widget. Thats not a justification in my opinion, more like a shortcut-icon on a windows PC. A smartphone today is supposed to do a whole lot more than a smartphone model was 5 years ago.

In my opinion flash should define a smartphone because so many sites use it and it adds a whole world of functionality.

As for the hackers i think they have better things to do than hack their way to your phone and look at a picture of your mom and dad.

As for the Iphone its an over prized piece of crap that brainwashed people actually believe is something special.

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[Wildfire General] windywoo:
I follow tech sites regularly, I have programming experience. I am A+ certified and MCSE certified. I followed the experiences of some developers as they tried to get Flash working on another android phone with the same processor as the Wildfire and they got poor results.

Much as I believe the iPhone to be overhyped, it did pave the way for Android, Windows Phone 7 and caused the other smartphone makers to revamp their own offerings. Flash is a tiny part of what a smartphone can do. It has a huge presence on the web but that doesn't mean that it will magically work on your phone.

Furthermore you show your ignorance if you think that people use their smartphones only for pictures of their mums and dad. Credit card details. business email, even harvesting contact information is of use to a hacker.
[Wildfire General] Hanschr:
Well it wouldnt be the first nor the last time developers couldnt get their software working properly. Making the choice between Windows Media Player with VLC wouldnt exactly be hardest one would it?! And Microsoft is not exactly a small company with few employess is it?

The Opera developers showed that surfing with a regular mobile could be done 1000 times smarter and faster than the native ones in nokia and sony/ericsson phones. Opera Mini is still the fastest browser on Android though certain functionalities of course are unavailable. But they among others showed that the developing of software means everything to maximize hardwares performance.

How many people use credit cards on their phone today? Not many. Lets say everybody did in theory... So what? In Windows (desktop) and Mobile I can install a simple wifi-program without the lack of security. Claiming that its impossible to make a mobile operating system secure without preventing the phone owners to install simple programs as wifi etc. just plain stupid in my opinion. Security has one of the highest priority in Windows 7 but I can install a Wifi-program from Lenovo if I want to now can I?

And yes Iphone surely has a nice user interface etc. but have you ever heard of the phrase: "...Even gold can have bought to expensive..."
[Wildfire General] windywoo:
Moron. Opera mini doesn't use the hardware at all, it renders on Opera's own servers, that is why it can be so fast on slow devices.

And on Windows every user has root, or the Windows equivalent, that is why it has been so criticised in the past because a virus can totally take over your machine. No-one wants to repeat that mistake. Not even Microsoft as they showed in Vista and now Windows phone 7.

No-one uses a credit card on their phone? What about paying for apps? Google's checkout will store that info for you. If someone compromised your phone they could run up a nice bill for you.
[Wildfire General] joningi:
Just got a confirmation from HTC Denmark that Wildfire WILL get Android 2.2 now in september, but they don't know if it is going to be after few days or later....
[Wildfire General] hiteshshingadia:
ya ya we all no its going to be a sept release ...sept has 30 days, 14 are over 16 are left ,i think it should be somewhere btw 15 & 24 :) take a wild guess on update release guys :) i say it will be 23rd
[Wildfire General] Gurdjieff:
I am hoping also :) But 2011 has september too :D
[Wildfire General] fifarunnerr:
16th I guess. One day after the HTC event ;)

But I hope....now :D
[Wildfire General] Gurdjieff:
About Flash 10.1:

I tried a port for 2.1 (google: 10.1 flash for 2.1)

and it works, it loads more flash content and a bit faster than the lite version, and i think in froyo it will be more smoother

And sorry if i missed something about this discussion, i didn't read over the full forum
[Wildfire General] Hanschr:
Who is the moron here:

"I follow tech sites".... "I have programming experience"... Well you are certainly a real oracle I must say. Are there any people left on the earth with absolutely no programming experience.... i doubt it.

I KNOW that they run that crap on their machines. But they still had to make the program run on the phones and interact with their servers. Who cares how they do it? It works. The point is that they showed it was possible to do in a better and faster way than anybody else with the same specs on the phone. Its a wast of time to discuss anything with you because you are apparently more stubborn than a donkey.

The virus problem was huge in the early versions of Windows XP. I personally have never had any issues with Windows XP later service packs, Vista or Windows 7 and Im willing to take my chances to be able to take control over my own property. But you dont even have an option to choose that with Android.

You claim that now all the biiiiig companies have found out that permanent user restriction is better to prevent virus attacks etc.. Tell me then why you can install what you want to on the latest Windows 7 if you choose to?.... Hmm no answer.... well thats what I thought.... idiot!

You have no clue at all what the risk of being hacked by someone are and thats because its close to 0. So you can keep postulating your crap from now on and to christmas. Its not gonna be more truthful by that....

In my country you are restricted from paying Android apps on the market so thats not even an option.
[Wildfire General] Skye Menjou:
The general policy is that no normal user(Non-Sysadmin) can run as Administrator and that only Administrators can install software because they are the only one with the rights to do so.

This is to stop viruses and idiotic users.

Windows 7 UAC enforces this even better.

Anyways, This does not stop all the virus attacks but it does stop most.

In Android, Certain things are locked for good reasons.

Apps that get installed always need to show permissions and they can only run code with those permissions because they run in their own Dalvik VM.

If you root your device, code can be exectuted without showing the permissions.

Emails, SMS can be read and sent (To premium services at high cost rate), Phonecalls can be made, Passwords can be read, your phone can be set to automatically shutdown on startup or at random.

They also lock it to prevent you from flashing your own rom(Because that will void warranty and cause problems thus needing more time for sales points and support lines)

If you want rooted stuff, the official way is to buy a dev phone.

Fully unlocked, and a On your own risk policy.
[Wildfire General] windywoo:
Such a collection of **** witted arguments that it is clear you don't even have the brain to understand my points so I suppose I will just let other people such as the post above point out how stupid you are.
[Wildfire General] HCDR.Jacob:
Both of you just calm down :)
[Wildfire General] Hanschr:
"**** witted arguments".... Well I must say that you really turn each of them down with your well spoken respond.

Im sure you will end up very successful with your polite, respectful and well behaved personality. Good luck with your life.