yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[EVO 4G General] gmanvbva:
I agree with the general point you are making (to a small extent). I haven't really used CM6 (other than briefly loading and testing) since it has/had major issues and that was early on. I have been considering loading it again and giving it another go. It's just a PITA to switch ROM's unless I am at a point (with work/personal life) where I can spend time really giving it a fair shot and customizing it.

Also, the FM radio could be a big deal for some. For example, many gyms have televisions mounted in exercise/cardio areas that you can tune into and listen to via FM. I've used them a fair amount at times and I imagine that those that would use it every day would find it very useful.

Just like any ROM, it's individual preference and what you value from your phone/ROM.
[EVO 4G General] captivate:
I think cm6 is a great rom. There are other roms that work great as well.. it all depends upon what you're looking for.
[EVO 4G General] halorin:
I've tried almost every ROM I've come across here on XDA, and CM6 Final is one of the best I've tried so far. I wasn't entirely impressed with CM6 during the nightlies and RCs. The Final version, for me, runs infinitely better than they ever did.

CM6 Final has provided the smoothest experience I've seen out of my Evo in terms of browser scrolling, input responsiveness, and overall speed transitioning between applications and multitasking.

I live in a 4G area, and it'd be nice to get 8mbps downloads when I'm out and about, but 3G is fine for me (around 2.5mbps, 90ms), and I usually kept 4G off for battery consumption reasons.

I've never used HDMI, but it'll be nice to have if it ever gets hashed out. They're supposed to be working on getting 4G on our devices with CM6. More power to them if they do.

CM6 is a great ROM for me. I can accept the tradeoff of not having all of the features for a truly snappy experience. I'm aware other Sense based ROMs are fast and smooth as well, but for me nothing has been faster than CM6 for right now.

EDIT: And I have Sprint Voicemail installed. It works like a charm. MMS messages send and receive just fine with Handcent SMS. I've never tried with the default app. When I go over 160 characters, it becomes an MMS message that, like I said, works just fine.

The bottom line, though? We're insanely lucky to have so many options to choose from. There's new ROMs popping up all the time. There's got to be something out there that suits your needs. Once your needs are met, does it really matter what other people are using?
[EVO 4G General] nenn:
my reasons for using cm6.

*its stable, meaning nothing FC's on me for no reason.

*it feels faster

*easy to configure

*sense-less (im not a huge fan of sense, we're entitled to our own opinions)

*open source

*development of it is constant, since its open source. they're not chef's, theyre programmers.

am i sad that hdmi doesnt work, not really, i dont use it, not to say i wouldnt check it out if i had a cable. 4g isnt official in my area and getting it means i have to go hunting. Fm radio, is nice but id rather stream pandora. MMS, no problems. visual voice mail? Never used it, been using GV for my vmail for the past year and a half, so yeah.

take it as you will. nebenezer said it the best. find a rom thats your fit.
[EVO 4G General] chandlerw88:
Cm does great work and you might not realize what marks hes leaving on your device. That being said to go in on his rom exclusively is not cool. There's problems with all rom its really about preference. Don't single out one the most important developer for the evos rom. This thread really had no point to be made.
[EVO 4G General] BrianDigital:
no its not overrated cause "HTC sense" closed source software, is not the open source android phone I wanted to buy
[EVO 4G General] jasonziter:
Thats the biggest pile of crap. Its also pretty damn funny. :)

That is NOT a CM6 Quadrant result. Unless you overclocked the **** out of it.....set your evo switch to 1000 and burned our phone out after the test.
[EVO 4G General] MSmith1:
If you are comparing Sense roms to CM6 and your argument is based on the proximity of benchmarking numbers, you clearly have no clue what the benefits of CM6 are. Read up, try it, then come back.
[EVO 4G General] zergburger:
It actually IS a a result of CM6. It's just that the quadrant program is flawed, so should not be trusted 100% to determine your phone's performance.
[EVO 4G General] jasonziter:
It has a huge point to be made. Read the original post. And ANSWER it. I'm not impressed at your senior member status. Read the post and see WHY THE THREAD EXHISTS. It has a huge point to be made

1. I like CM6.

2. Cyanogen is awesome. Ill assist you in licking his balls

3. I'm just saying you could put it on a different phone and have a different phone, but the EVO has certain features others dont have and they SHOULD be implemented.....sense or no sense. I dont care how damn smart you think you are or Cyanogen (****...i just blasphemed) is. I am impressed....truly. The rom is nice, but not enough to drop all the features the phone has that others dont. Buy an X10 or somthing. Not an EVO.
[EVO 4G General] Sporkman:
voicemail works fine here and MMs works fine too
[EVO 4G General] sohr:
People have answered your points. Whether you believe the benefits others see in CM6 is worth the cons is up for you to decide.

Anything beyond that just smacks of trolling...
[EVO 4G General] dglowe343:
I've always been a big CM fan. My G1 never saw a different rom. No one can deny what he and the rest of the team put into each rom they develop. However, Sense has me for now. I ran the nightlies and RC1 and still went back to Sense. Nothing emotional or complicated about it. I just prefer Sense. 4G and HDMI are not factors for me. If your argument is that Sense roms are slower in daily use, its not a valid one. I'm running Fresh 3 and go back and forth with net and king kernels. Everything runs smooth, fast and reliable. I havent tried RC2 or Final yet, but I'm sure I will soon. I dont think it's about hype or who's the better developer. Do you like Sense or AOSP better? IMO that's going to be the biggest factor. Is it overrated? I would say no. That would mean Cyanogen was producing sub-par roms and that will never happen.
[EVO 4G General] tej5:
i like how half you idiots haven't answered the guys question, rather attack him instead.

i'll answer why I believe the OP is right (

IMO

)

CM6 is an awesome ROM, no doubt, but right now it isn't the best. It's missing staple elements of the phone (4G, HDMI) and while I do not use HDMI, 4G is something important to me so I can tether my laptop if I need to.

EViO, while it's sense based, is the best ROM out due to the fact that everything works, including FM Radio. It never force closes, it's just as "buttery smooth" as CM6 , maybe more so.

So I can relate to the OP. CM6 is great, but really lacks key features that that make it the best ROM out that everyone claims. Cyanogen left his mark on the ROM community, so I think people tend to think of him as a god that no one can ever make a better ROM.

(this is my opinion)
[EVO 4G General] mrpuffin:
my experience with cyanogen

i did not get the evo because of fm radio, 4g or hdmi i got it because i have sprint and i wanted a fast android device

mms works

it's fast

prefer it over other roms

i am an aosp junkie so i love the look (although i'm using my droid x theme right now)

i have no problems with voicemail (i use google voice)

i make some themes and aosp is easier to theme then sence roms

it has a system EQ (i love lots of bass)

built in tether application (no 4g but still spotty 4g coverage)

and i do not use the radio when i have it

i do not use hdmi no reason for me to

4g is nice to have although connection is spotty even downtown so i just stick to 3g even where 4g is available

(unless i'm stationary)

the only thing i like is the sence style camera

so for me cyanogenmod is perfect for me i love it
[EVO 4G General] chandlerw88:
I don't even use cm but what's the point of this, and no need to get personal and attack me personally because I gurantee yoy wouldn't do it in real life. I was just stating my opinion, youre basically asking people why to use it and you don't have to be smart or a senior member to get the answer, its preference. That being said I dont understand what you're getting out of posting this, just don't flash it.
[EVO 4G General] tej5:
lol 4567890
[EVO 4G General] dmc971989:
How many of you know what FOSS is?

picking what ROM you run doesn't necessarily have to be about how much faster it is than all the others... if thats all that matters why the hell do we have all these themes floating around? better yet, why did HTC implement Sense to begin with?

CM6 is the only ROM built from straight code (how many other "devs" on here can do that?), not some hodge podge mess that HTC released in the first place... some people on here (myself included) think thats a pretty big deal and we appreciate/support it

yes your sense rom is just as "fast"... congratz, my dreams have been absolutely crushed

1: HDMI in sense Roms is borked too... when you can output the full UI and CM6 still cant, come talk to me

2: 4g might be a big deal for me if it was in my city, but alas... it is not

3: i can honestly say I have never once used the radio on this phone, if i get the strange desire to one day ill be sure to change over to a sense rom

4: the Noodz i send out to your mom get there fine every day...

5: Uhhh, my VM works fine?

6: Unicorns are pure ****ing baddassery... end of story
[EVO 4G General] nebenezer:
Ha, funny how big Mr. Nineposts calls everyone here idiots for not answering the OP's question then doesn't answer his question either...

Your opinion is subjective, not objective
[EVO 4G General] jasonziter:
Thank you sir

Thanks a ton sir. Answer the question. Its interesting to see how many people can be OBJECTIVE. So far everyone keeps saying its a matter of preference.

IT IS. I AGREE. Holy CRAP. I just want to see some geeks post some objective findings comparing some other roms to cm6 to see how bad sense truly is in comparison. Quadrant might be flawed, but not EVERY benchmark testing program is.

I love the fire this has stirred up. Its not trolling. I just want to see some people back up their love with OBJECTIVE.......THIS MEANS FRICKING HARD CORE DATA PEOPLE....FINDINGS.

Thanks for supporting the original intent of this thread. I hope the conversation continues with some truly intelligent and thoughtful replies (I've seen a ton of em on other sections / threads). There are geeks out there. I want to see your "geeky" reply with some hard data. Not garbage data.....something we can all agree on. This way maybe we can answer what is the best performing rom based on comparative benchmarks.

-JZ

PS what does OP mean anyhow???? Im a working class geek.
[EVO 4G General] dmc971989:
ill liken this to other situations i deal with in life...

i could have a car built off an existing body/frame/chassis (a camaro, for example)

or I could build a car from absolute scratch, using similar materials/parts...

at the end of the day the both cars could perform equally, or maybe the camaro is barely faster... but I love the fact the blood, sweat, and tears went into making the other car, i would choose it every time

its also about what a ROM (or car) stands for
[EVO 4G General] zergburger:
I googled "xda evo rom comparison" and this was the first result.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=746611

If that is what you wanted, you should have stated so in the OP (original post/poster), instead of beating around the bush with sly remarks such as:

If you wanted

you need to start with an intelligent and thoughtful argument.
[EVO 4G General] jerryparid:
I need my sense calendar and non-buggy voicemail notification. CM6 has some battery issues.

4G is not important to me because I can easily access 80/20 mbits wireless N in 99% of my living space/classes.
[EVO 4G General] jasonziter:
Wow. Witty answer dude. Now take your trolling garbage to another thread. Quit trying to seem smart by making other people look stupid. Thanks for the link post though. You might have not been such an asshole by posting it like a whole **** ton of people here at XDA acting all big time cause they KNOW something. Get a life man. I'm here to learn so thanks for the link....now go home to your either:

A. empty bed

B. tired marriage

C. hand

D. all of the above

But, please dont waste my time or anyone else in here who is trying to have a civil and "intelligent" discussion.

-JZ
[EVO 4G General] nebenezer:
Ok now you're just making yourself look like a retarded asshole

Nothing positive can come of a thread with an OP having the attitude you've had here.

Provide some value or stfu
[EVO 4G General] tej5:
i didn't call everyone idiots, but apparently you must be part of the idiot crowd if you responded so hostile... kudos mr. 2000 posts elite forum poster guy
[EVO 4G General] jasonziter:
Okay dude.

Okay....maybe it was overboard but seriously. The guy came in the thread and posted insults. Nothing constructive. Im not allowed to respond to that crap. Kiss my ass man. Post somthing of use....not another BS remark / insult. Ill STFU when you can post somthing from the DAMN OP. Clear out man. A couple of cool folks have but the rest have posted garbage insults to an honest question. So ill insult back. Bunch of babies in these threads. BE A DAMN MAN AND ANSWER QUESTIONS. Dont be a sniveling baby and say STFU or you look stupid now. Look at what previous posters are placing and ask yourself if YOU have the balls to stand up to someone's garbage post.

WTF. There are a lot of babies in these threads. IS THERE ANYONE who can carry on a conversation without tossing random insults at the OP to get em fired up. Dont blame me for reacting to jackasses like yourself man.

-JZ
[EVO 4G General] kudosmog:
Reading through the thread, I keep seeing lines like this: "X feature is something important to me" or "X feature is not important to me"

You asked:

The logic is simple. The features that are unavailable are features that are not important to some people.

I've tried a few different ROM's, and I wish I could get rid of sense completely just because I don't like the look and feel of it(except the power widgets, I like them for some reason). I never use 4g, never use hdmi, didn't have VM or MMS problems when I ran CM6 so why shouldn't I choose it? I don't personally care about hard numbers. It feels faster, looks better and doesn't have Sense installed.

The ROM is just another choice that some people like a lot. I'm not sure there are people out there who are dumb enough to install the ROM just because it's a cyanogen mod, even though they really need 4g and listen to the FM radio but I may be wrong.
[EVO 4G General] nebenezer:
I run cyanogenmod on my EVO because it makes me feel good about myself
[EVO 4G General] zergburger:
I gave you the exact thing you were asking for – an objective comparison of ROMS.

In case you were blinded by rage and missed it, here is the direct link.

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Aguc0npJCrWxdEFyU2NRNG1jNnRkY2trdXBsYlJLdWc&hl=en#
[EVO 4G General] Denzel80:
ok, objectivity it is. can u bu spend the time testing codes and compiling. build a rom of ur own if u find so many faults. i applaud him for doing what he does so whinny bastards like u can post on. do something productive with ir time.
[EVO 4G General] chandlerw88:
That wasnt to you homeboy. But good comeback 12 post. Im not even the type to believe in post counts but youre showing why some might.
[EVO 4G General] chandlerw88:
Ohh yeah terrible title, maybe cm6 sense rom comparison would habe gotten you better results than just calling a valuable members work over rated
[EVO 4G General] krazyflipj:
What MMS issues are you having OP? I know CM6 had issues in the past with MMS but its been fixed awhile back. Also, not sure what issues you are having with VVM. If you wanna use stock, just install Sprint VVM. I know it worked great with me when I was on it (Besides stupid text).
[EVO 4G General] MSmith1:
Also, if you are going to go in on something, at least know it's name. Cyanogen is a person. Cyanogenmod is the name of the rom. Just saying.
[EVO 4G General] joackie27:
You asked for photos? Here's one for you (http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=7927986&postcount=4448). And you may want to browse thru the CM6-Snap kernel thread. There's lots of quadrant scores there topping 2000+ with the CM6-Snap7.0 and Snap7.1 SD card version. How about showing me a sense rom topping 2000+ in quadrant? And by the way, it's CM6 running a Snap8.2-875 kernel. :D
[EVO 4G General] prettyboyrob2007:
i think its a ugly rom. i love the look of sense
[EVO 4G General] DraginMagik:
... Thank you.that actually makes sense. now i know.

to our illustrious OP. oh..by the way OP stands for Original Poster or Original Post (depending on context). now that we have established that. you are are a putz. plain and simple.

do you like Coke, Pepsi or Dr Pepper? now tell me objectively why your choice is better than someone who chose differently than you.

do you dream of a camero or firebird?

Colgate or Crest ... do i really need to keep going? or do you get gist of it? as somoene else said, no ROM is perfect. no software is perfect. i cannot think of a single ROM that i have ever used...be it on a WinMo device, an Android device or my router...that has everything i want. AmonRA vs Clockwork is a perfect example of this.

there is no black and white on this ... its subjective in that you you must decide what is important to you.

are you a quadrant fan? does getting a 2000 score make you juice your pants?

are you a battery life fan? do you dream of a 50+hr battery life?

do you want it all 'to just work'? well...that is a post in an of itself..cause what you want is prolly not what i want. and these devices are more like a laptop than your grandma's rotarty telephone. which is better HP or IBM laptop? Linux or Windows? etc etc etc

honestly, make a nandroid.

download a few ROMs

load em up

design a set of tests you think would get you off (quandrant, fps, linpack, etc)

perform those tests and record your results

then go buy an apple and leave us along you trollbaiting meanspirited inappropriate little person. and maybe try expanding your vocablulary...perhaps you wouldn't have to resort to such crude childish rants.

Allow me to show you any single metric to the exclusion of others and i will show you how to lie with the facts.
[EVO 4G General] howdyace:
Ask a loaded question, get a loaded answer. Why act surprised when others respond in like manner.

I personally think cm6 is one of the best roms out there and if the features that drew you to the evo is to important to give up simply nand restore your fave sense rom.
[EVO 4G General] joackie27:
Can somebody post a screen shot of a Sense ROM with a Quadrant score topping 2000+? ;)
[EVO 4G General] jasonziter:
Thanks Man

Can you blame me? No one answers and honest question honestly. They just insult you for posting insults back? Thanks for the link post. One of a handfull of honest answers....without malice answer i've gotten. It makes the rage subside. Thanks for the calming effect of your decent reply.

-JZ
[EVO 4G General] jasonziter:
Best I have is 1550 from Freak E. Set CPU at 1.1, 429 for evo switch, King version 4 kernal. Next best from CM6 at 1440 with the same settings except stock kernal because the snaps always seem to take the stability way away from CM6.
[EVO 4G General] joackie27:
So is a 2000+ quadrant score sounds modest to you?

Edit: Why only 1550? I thought sense roms are comparable in speeds to CM6?
[EVO 4G General] jasonziter:
Another waste

Another waste. I like CM6. I really really do. I'm looking for a reason why its so popular rather than just, "its the best" or "its butter smooth" You can say that for sense roms as well. In other words data. You are a stain. Go waste YOUR time elsewhere.
[EVO 4G General] jasonziter:
Not really

Its not modest. Post your settings with it. Not just the quadrant score. I thought you guys were super smart. Post the settings you hit that mark with not just, "hey look at this." The Kernal....etc. Come on man.

Wow....this post has really sorted out the people who are truly scientific thinkers and others who just like to post garbage. I'm posting numbers. Post HOW YOU GOT TO EM.

God....this is like taking care of my brothers kids or something.
[EVO 4G General] nebenezer:
hahahahaha :D
[EVO 4G General] jasonziter:
Bunch of elitest fags. Seriously. Go get an apple? You think thats witty? Holy crap. If you come in here with insults thats what you are gonna get back, but I wont start em in case the MODS are watching. MODS just read the prior posts to see why the responses are the way they are.

Go get an apple...What a couple of loosers. Think up somthing witty and Ill laugh with ya.

With that stupid insult reply you admit only this:

1. You are incapable of providing anything back other than, "its personal choice"

2. You dont understand the difference between subjective data vs objective data. Thats it. If you did. You would shut me up by showing me how much better CM6 is with data as Ive posted in several prior posts.

Worthless. Contribute nothing but insult to the discussion.
[EVO 4G General] nebenezer:
And you open a thread insulting one of the most highly regarded developers and expect the smart people to flood you, or even indulge you with the fruits and empirical evidence validating their passion? Come on man..

And it's clear which group you belong to as well. What numbers are you posting? All I see you posting are angry rants demanding that people provide you with a reason to use CM

Yeah, I agree. The primary difference here though is it's hilarious to watch adults embarrass themselves, especially when they are oblivious to the way they appear to others..
[EVO 4G General] joackie27:
I thought you said whatever kernel we like to use with CM6? And now you're attacking Snap? :D
[EVO 4G General] Sporkman:
op be seems a bit upset lol ..
[EVO 4G General] joackie27:
Can't agree more sporkman! :D He can only boast of a 1550 quadrant score! That's after asking for photos of a CM6 rom running any kernel. Hahaha!
[EVO 4G General] jasonziter:
Also....get the F*#k out of the thread. I'm not bothering anyone. You came HERE you idiot. Seriously. There are some exceptionally mentally handicapped individuals in here. LEAVE if you dont like the discussion. You are wasting your time and mine. I've never been all that active in these forums. I've learned a lot by asking and watching. But....holy crap people are ruthless in here when you ask simple questions, they dont give the answer you ask (over and over again), then they insult you for their wrong answer. A lot of you guys are a frickin joke man.
[EVO 4G General] jasonziter:
Your beloved snap kernal has a pile of stability problems. Check the snap posts man. 1/2 of em have to do with constant reboots and crashing so what good is a kernal if it crashes all the time.
[EVO 4G General] chaoszepp:
So just to recap, the only cons to CM are HDMI and 4g? I currently have damage control but all I care about in sense its the music player. If I export the apk file and then install it later on CM out should work right?
[EVO 4G General] nebenezer:
fwiw, I'm not wasting my time. I have plenty of it and this thread has been rather entertaining.

This happens about once every week or two, somebody unwittingly trollbaits themselves then spends 6 pages trying to play damage control. If you just admit you are a jackass someone will probably help you find the info you're looking for, but don't expect any of it to be worth anything. Everyone has a preference and noone is going to post results that reflect worse on their favorite.

You should have started a benchmark screenshot thread and asked everyone to include basic details under their screencap. You might not have gotten any more data, but if you would have refrained from insulting teamdouche then you probably could have avoided much of the backlash.
[EVO 4G General] MSmith1:
No it will not work.

And, there are better players out there.