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[Galaxy Tab General] raheelc:
I'm in the same dilemma right now too...not sure whether to go with the archos 7 inch or 10 inch....or whether to buy the galaxy tab....and a major deciding factor will be the pricing of the tab once its announced...
[Galaxy Tab General] Anderdroid:
Yes if the Tab is any more than 400 I probably will go with the Archos... Can't beat $299
[Galaxy Tab General] mesasone:
The only thing about the GPU in the Hummingbird is that there is nothing to do (yet) with all that power. It's in a league of it's own when it comes to graphics horsepower, and until we see more Android devices take up the PowerVR SGX540 GPU, I doubt we'll see anything take advantage of that power.

Hell, unless/until we start playing games at 720p on TV/Monitors via HDMI, it's not entirely clear we need that kind of graphics processing either. Take a look at the "Epic Citadel" tech demo of the Unreal 3 engine running on the iPhone 4 (which uses the less powerful PowerVR 535 I think) to see what can be accomplished with a GPU with 1/3 the power of the Hummingbird.
[Galaxy Tab General] BigJayDogg3:
Comparing things like that cross platform is fairly useless.

There ate several things that can run on my iphone's old hardware and i know if it were in Android with the same hardware it would run like a dog. Look at Symbian. Very.few Symbian phones use "modern" hardware, but Symbian has no problem with lag.
[Galaxy Tab General] LostAlone:
If you put it like that, then I'd say that the added GPU power adds a degree of future proofing. I suspect that what with the slew of droid based tablets arriving, people will start developing things that take advantage of the screen size. Particularly since tablets have a lot more battery so you can game for a lot longer, and thus might be interested in prettier visual.

Food for thought anyway.

The equivalent 7" archos is a great looking device tho. Although, can someone fill me in on a few things (i know nothing of the devices). Firstly, the spec just says the GPU is '3d OpenGL' but doesn't say the actual chip set. Would like to know what it is. Secondly, it says up to 250gigs, and I assumed that was a choice of internal flash-drives, but the spec sheet has 8gig flash and 250gig HD. Does that mean you connect a HD with USB or a changeable 2.5" drive or something ?

Certainly would help me understand :D
[Galaxy Tab General] kcharng:
As long as it has decent quality and runs latest stock android.

Sent from galaxy s. JG4 + oneclick lag fix version 2.3
[Galaxy Tab General] mesasone:
Uh, like what specifically?
[Galaxy Tab General] BigJayDogg3:
Heavy gunner.
[Galaxy Tab General] Anderdroid:
There's an 8GB Flash Memory 7" tablet, expandable with Micro SD, and then there's a 7" tablet with an actual internal 250GB Hard Drive.

The 10" has a 8GB internal (micro SD expandable) for 299$ and 16GB internal (micro SD expandable) for 349$
[Galaxy Tab General] LostAlone:
Ah ok I get ya.

I assumed that it was one device with aftermarket add ons *facepalm* the 250gig version sounds pretty GOOD in theory at least

WARNING - LONG POST AHEAD

Anyways, I think what will make the real difference to the choice will be how much you want mobile data. There seems to be two schools of thought on how to use a tablet device here:

a) Those who would be wanting a tablet to augment their current device.

b) Those who see a small form factor tablet as a total alternative.

For those in camp A, the archos has to be a better device. Not only because of cost, but the extra capacity is definitely a head turner.

For those in camp B, the Tabs 3g radio and actual phone capabilities wins the game hands down.

Personally I am much more of a B. I would certainly be happy with an archos. However, since Im not the kind of person who would use it at home, it'd only do service as a media device on long trips. And it'd make me happy in that capacity.

However, since the Tab offers that same performance (less capacity, but I can't see why I would ever need to load up 250gigs of anything) and extras, I just see myself using it more. In my head I can see me using it to hold my notes or whatever I'm working from, and then I can just kick over to a web browser to find what I need or take calls or whatever, all in one device. Of course, I can still use my phone as a phone and my Tab the same as the archos, but I have the choice.

I think that the times I am sitting on a station waiting for a train or whatever, I would kick myself for not having the data use, and anytime where I have to scrabble through my pockets for my phone.

Am still waiting on pricing of course. If the Tab is ridiculously priced (I maintain that this isn't likely to happen) then I may well say screw it and get an archos or indeed another tablet, because much as I love the tab, I'm only willing to pay so much for what I see as the bonuses of using one. If the Tab is competitively priced against the archos, I can't see why anyone would buy the archos (unless they are comitted to carrying a silly amount of media), because even if you never use the added 3g functionality, you know its there. I figure a lot of people will be waiting on the pricing, because if the Tab is say 50-100 bucks more than the archos, its a no brainer. 100-150 more, and its a personal preference. Any more than that and its to much.

The TLDR version:

With my lifestyle, the phoneness of the Tab makes it a real winner. To others, perhaps not, but then again we all have to make our own choices as to what device/s fits for us :D

MOD EDIT IN BOLD.
[Galaxy Tab General] BigJayDogg3:
This is exactly the same boat im in. Id have to get one off contract since i just bought a captivate and plan on keeping it.

My thing is i just refuse to pay for two data plans, especially when i have AT&Ts grandfathered unlimited plan. And without 3G i can't justify the purchase of a tablet to myself.

So for me to even consider a tablet, it would HAVE to include a telephone. This is one reason i was so excited about the Streak, nut Dell kept dragging their feet bringing it to the US.

At this point, the Tab hits all my check marks, it just has to be priced somewhere south of 550 USD.
[Galaxy Tab General] ellessidil:
I currently own and use an Archos 5IT 5" android tablet.

Hardware wise, it outperforms the T-mobile Galaxy S that my roommate uses, with a processor that is clocked at 600mhz. I do not remember the chipset information off the top of my head, but it is a TI chip that has some solid power on the graphics side, and OpenGL support is available now with the latest firmware updates.

The biggest issue with Archos 5IT is that while updates have been constant for the device, there is no plans to put Android 2.0+ on the device, it is currently running 1.6 and will continue to do so until a 3rd party is able to port over something newer.

The new Archos tablets will not have any "phone parts" included in them, that is part of the reason for the lower price.

It will also include their standard Archos Media Center addin, which is a rather nice full function media application that runs overtop Android on the 5IT. I use their built in media center application over any Android based ones due to its simple UI and built in access to network shares, and all in all its pretty solid.

Otherwise, I have had nothing but good things to say about the device, in spite of its few quirks, most of which are being addressed with the newest models.
[Galaxy Tab General] Anderdroid:
I plan on using my Vibrant's "MobileAP" for 3g Data on Archos if ever needed. Why pay for two plans? Heh. So the phone capabilities don't mean much for me. Even then it'd be an at home kind of system.
[Galaxy Tab General] BigJayDogg3:
Ill admit the Archos is a good tablet, but two things keep me from getting it.

It lacks a multitouch screen, and it doesn't have a 3G connection.

While I'd prefer a capacitive screen, but if the screen is like the one in my Fuze, i can deal with that, and as I've said, i can't justify a tablet if any size if it diesnt have a SIM card slot.
[Galaxy Tab General] LostAlone:
I don't see the mobile AP as being a replacement for a data connection, because it eats both battery and data use, and so you get significantly less bang for your buck. Particularly, if you hit it too hard, you has a dead battery and a non-data enabled tablet. Not for me.

On the two data plans thing, there seems to be a fairly big Atlantic divide on how plans work out. ATM, my entire mobile bill is £30 a month, and although I don't know if I would pay that much again but since thats for 900 mins, unlimited text, unlimited data, which I wouldn't be getting for my Tab, I wouldn't see the problem in a £15-£20 contract to get access to the subsidization.

Looking at the kinda contract you guys get in the states with $30 for data tacked onto $50 for phone, I can see what you mean. I sure as hell wouldn't touch that either. But when it'll take maybe 18 months out of a 24 month contract just to pay the full cost of the device, thats fine for me.
[Galaxy Tab General] keitht:
No 3G but the new Archos 70 and Archos 101 have capacitive screens. The smaller ones they are releasing do not.

http://besttabletreview.com/archos-finally-goes-capacitive-with-a-slew-of-new-tablets/
[Galaxy Tab General] Harfainx:
I'll definitely be getting the A101. I've been a proud owner of Archos products for years, and the Archos Media Center is the absolute BEST method to view almost any media file.

Obviously you'll find mixed reviews of Archos products (especially last year's Archos 5 Internet Tablet), but if you haven't actually used it, don't judge it based on it's specs and people whining about it. The A5 was, and still is one of the better "tablet" type devices that you can get (especially for it's price).

With the introduction of FroYo on this year's release (Generation 8), multi-touch screen on the two bigger models, and the AMC, the Archos is definitely the device for me.

Also, I don't want a tablet that I need a contract for. And if I want it off-contract, I'd rather not pay iPad like prices (no proof of price yet, but I bet the S-Tab will be $600 off-contract) for my tablet. The $300 price makes the A101 a clear winner for what I want. I already have an EVO, so I can just use WiFi tethering if I need to get online with my A101 outside of a WiFi area (which is why I don't want to be on a second contract just so I can take my tablet online).
[Galaxy Tab General] Anderdroid:
I'm not on a contract in the states. I'm rolling on some off-contract $59.99 Even More Plus 500 from T-Mobile... Super fast unlimited HSDPA data. About to get rid of my cable line at home. And I'm usually around WiFi so the tethering would be a 'here and there' kindof thing. Also I have 2 extra batteries for my Vibrant so no hassle. If i'm carrying a 10.1" tablet I'm probably also carrying my backpack, so a few extra vibrant batteries are nothing.

The only thing I'm not overjoyed about the Archos is how wide it is... I'd really enjoy to have a 10.1" Galaxy Tab. 7" just defeats the purpose of having one imo. My galaxy S is 4" so not THAT much of a difference.

I'll probably just end up waiting for one of the gingerbread tablets in 2011
[Galaxy Tab General] LostAlone:
The tab is as wide as the galaxy is long, and has significantly over three times the screen size, so I really dont think its fair to say that you dont miss much by staying with the sgs.

Personally, I dont see the point of a ten inch tablet at all, particularly one without a cell radio. Way too big to type on comfortably, or even just to hold one handed, needs to be lugged around in a bag and so on. I dont see how you could get anything done that way, any so to me its pretty much worthless. Theres plenty of really cheap video players out there.

Now something I can spend the day typing on while im comuting, thats a winner to me.
[Galaxy Tab General] unitea:
i personally like the 7 inch form factor but i could see the use of larger tabs for other people. maybe even 12 inch would be better for those that only want to use it at home. something to browse the net with while kicking back and watching TV.
[Galaxy Tab General] dsf767:
Archos 101, 70, and 43 up for preorder at J&R!

Archos 43:

8 GB $196: Archos 43 Internet Tablet 8GB Android Palm-sized Tablet in MP3 Players at JR.com

16 GB $245: Archos 43 Internet Tablet 16GB Android Palm-sized Tablet in MP3 Players at JR.com

Archos 70:

8 GB $270: Archos 70 Internet Tablet 8GB 7" Android Multi-touch Tablet in eBook Readers at JR.com

250 GB $343: Archos 70 Internet Tablet 250GB 7" Android Multi-touch Tablet in eBook Readers at JR.com

Archos 101:

8 GB $294: Archos 101 Internet Tablet 8GB 10.1" Android Tablet in Portable Tablet PCs at JR.com

16 GB $343: Archos 101 Internet Tablet 16GB 10.1" Android Tablet in Portable Tablet PCs at JR.com

All with Free shipping!
[Galaxy Tab General] raheelc:
awesome!! Archos 101 8gb here i come!!
[Galaxy Tab General] Knocturnal:
Nice to see the Archos pricing. The killer for me on the Tab is the USA 3g only model and no "telephone" capabilities. Waiting for the Archos reviews, specifically for the 7 inch.
[Galaxy Tab General] LostAlone:
You cant argue with that kind of pricing. Now its up to samsung to come back and make us want the Tab. If the Tab hits for maybe 50-100 more off contract, then it'll storm. If its a lot more... Well.. It wont.

The 250 gig 70 is definitely a head turner, but I think it'd take a huge price to make me overlook the lack of radio. Its justme, but I definitely want the 3g package, and since Im in the UK I get the proper functionality, so thats all good.

If I was in the us, id be thinking archos, just because you wont be getting any of the things that really attract me to the Tab.

Heres hoping its hackable, because otherwise the tab would have to be the exact same price as the archos to make me buy one in that market.
[Galaxy Tab General] beatblaster:
Hoping it's hackable? Have faith :)
[Galaxy Tab General] LostAlone:
With how things are in the Tab world atm, I am taking nothing for granted. Am still keeping my fingers crossed that I'm right about pricing, and if I stick my neck out over phone hacking and get burned too I'll have to go sit in a corner and cry a little bit.
[Galaxy Tab General] chimpsnest:
News Article

New to the whole tablet idea and while looking here and googling I came across this:

http://www.digitaltrends.com/comput...ion-on-samsungs-upcoming-galaxy-tab/?news=123

EDIT, haven't watched yet (at work now) but seems it's more about R2 than the tab, but thought you may find interesting
[Galaxy Tab General] TempestDK:
I am definitely going for the Archos 101. It will be much cheaper than the Samsung Tab, and weighs about the same (about half of an iPad).

Who needs an extra data subscription, when I can use my N1 as a WiFi hotspot, if I ever need a 3G connection on my A101.

But since it will be mostly used at home as a stereo/jukebox, bullitin board/calendar and for couch surfing/chat and e-book reading, I doubt I will carry it around with me much.

Here in DK the Galaxy Tab is priced at around 950 Euros without subscriptions, and that is just way too expensive. The A101 will be available (outside DK) for 1/3 of the price (USD 350). THAT is a huge difference.

But I still bet that Galaxy will sell more in DK than A101 .. simply because Galaxy Tab will be sold through the mobile providers, while A101 might not even be imported ... and if it is, it will be sold online at electronics stores. Most likely without ever being known to the broad public.
[Galaxy Tab General] jaykruer:
Tab Pics

If you want to see any hands on pictures of the galaxy tab check out: facebook.com/muchappier
[Galaxy Tab General] koven:
Could someone tell me dos Tab support 1080p videos,or as archos 720p? I've seen somewhere that it has a 'full hd' support. I'm also struggling which one to get...
[Galaxy Tab General] LostAlone:
I think it can do 1080p, but to be honest I think its a moot point. No way you can tell the difference on a 1024x600 screen. Sure, through HDMI, but I severely doubt anyone who has an HDMI TV doesn't have something other than a Tab to stream media through.

Also, due to the default file system limitation (4gig) you're not going to be carrying around a huge amount of 1080p video. Even 720p is too big for my tastes.

I feel like a broken record quite frankly, but for the sake of continuity: No samsung price announcement + no carrier price announcement = no price announcement. I can't put it in fewer words. We don't know pricing. Full stop.
[Galaxy Tab General] koven:
For me it's not a matter of quality but the need of converting media files to watch/stream from a local computer.

In Poland, some of the companies try to sell GT for about 1133 USD
[Galaxy Tab General] LostAlone:
In which case I am sure it does do 1080p, although I cant remember where I read it, but if you have a look around, you'll find somewhere.

Personally, I don't even have any 1080p video. Have SOME in 720p, but not even a big lot of that, so I've never worried. If you can't carry it on a FAT formatted memory card then I'm not even thinking about putting it on a handheld. *shrug*
[Galaxy Tab General] sebbo90:
I think I am going to go for the Hannspree tablet, bigger than the galaxy tab as I prefer to have a 10 inch tablet. And better specs than the archos 101 :)

Hannspree vs archos

Screen: LED backlit vs lcd tft

Cpu: Tregra 2 (dual core a9) vs 1ghz cortex a8

Video: 1080p output vs 720p

Price: £330 vs £300

RAM: 512mb vs 256mb

Rest seems the same
[Galaxy Tab General] BSAB:
Hum, first time I heard of the Hannspree one.

TBH, I just want a piece of hardware that I can use to read book, watch the occasional video and MOSTLY read comics.

The Archos seems to fit the bill nicely.

Good price, Android means I'd be working with an OS i'm familiar with and can just load Aldiko and Droid Comic viewer for my immediate needs.

The Tab's RUMOURED price is just, well, ridiculous, 300 euro or such is something I'd gladly pay this Christmas.

But now I want to know more about this Hannspree!
[Galaxy Tab General] AnttiV:
just remember that because it's not a "real phone" you won't have access to Android Market. You can (probably) still use Aldiko and DCV, but you'll have to come up with a different way to acquire them.

(That's infact one of the very good sides of the Tab - having legitimate access to the full Android Market.)
[Galaxy Tab General] BSAB:
The Archos comes with an out of the box Market access.

It's not the full blown Googlemarket, but it includes those two apps, I checked.
[Galaxy Tab General] sebbo90:
Just found another alternative, not sure of the build quality etc but defo worth a check, the advent vega nealry same specs as the hannspree minus the internal memory but for only £250
[Galaxy Tab General] BSAB:
And apparently the Google Marketplace has already been hacked to work in the new Archos tablets.

http://archosfans.com/2010/10/08/google-marketplace-works-on-archos-28324370101-internet-tablets/
[Galaxy Tab General] tbaker077:
So, it does have full market access or now with a hack? Pretty cool.

Another thing to think about is SQ. Back in the day I was interested in Archos AV500(and PMA400 older linux tablet model) because it offered color screen, video playback, and dvr function something the ipod of that era never did. However, the SQ wasn't up to snuff to Cowon, or Samsung(it was equal to the iPod though), hence I went with Cowon. And last time I compared the Archos 5 android tablet to my Samsung phone Samsung still had a better SQ. After all Archos is marketing their devices as a media player and SQ should have some factor in this conversation. /end rant

I would have to say either device would be nice choice, and choosing one would depend on what you value more. I would think Archos would release a dvr dock for it(like it has with its passed models), and I am hoping they will add a built in camera option(like they did in the past with the gmini 400 series).
[Galaxy Tab General] Puck1980:
Samsung Price....

I spoek with a samsung rep this week and they unofficially confirmed that the Samsung Galaxy Tab will be around AU$1000....

Stuff that, there is no way I am paying that for a 7" screen...

Gonna look at the Hannspree but prolly go with the Archos 10.1 as long as I can see it is rootable. Can't really go wrong with $349 16GB TAB.....

HTC Desire (and loving it I Might add!!!)
[Galaxy Tab General] AnttiV:
I'm going to grab that, as I'm in *both* schools at the moment - sort of.

I love the Tab, I've been waiting it for about some ten years now, as some of you know from my earlier posts. The Tab has everything I'd want from a Tab and the 7" screen is perfect for mobility/usability (again, IMO).

But, on the other hand, I'm probably going to by the 10.1" Archos tablet when it's available here next year or so.

Why? Well, to be perfectly honest - I just love gadgets :D But, there's a more practical reason - I have kids, three more precisely. And they LOVE watching stuff and playing small flash-based games. And they don't travel around. And I'm not so stupid to give my Tab to those small grabby fingers :D They love to watch some children's show at evening before they go to sleep. It's not practical to put them watch those on my screen and then carry them to bed (the eldest is 8, I don't want to carry him around any more than I really have to :D). giving them my cell isn't practical either, since that screen is entirely too small for three kids to watch anything.

There's other reasons too, but I don't want to end up writing a novel on tablets... Just to sum it up - the Tab is perfect for *me* but I can and will find uses for a larger tablet too, but this one doesn't have to be equipped with all the Tab's features - thus it can be a cheaper one with different features.
[Galaxy Tab General] Khisha:
Nothing can compare to walking around the streets having a tab in back pocket of my jeans. The size of SGT is just perfect for people on the move who want somthing more dedicated than a phone. 10 inch is for indoor use only. But I have a notebook for that.
[Galaxy Tab General] lbhocky19:
was just looking to see if anyone on here was talking about the vega.

to me it looks awesome, its not hard to hack the market onto it and the specs are amazing. plus 250 compared to like 700 is kind of ridiculous...

just need to find out how to get it here in the US

what are the diffs between the advent and the archos 101 besides the archos costing more?
[Galaxy Tab General] Yopsi:
Well, tbh, the advent vega is cheaper than the archos, and has already the latest cpu (tegra 2 a9) well archos is still with a8 cortex. Big diference, specialy in HD i guess.
[Galaxy Tab General] GbrilliantQ:
The Archos is cheaper than the Advent Vega.
[Galaxy Tab General] Rapax:
How is the GSM/3G phone functionality on the Archos Tablets? Important not to forget when comparing the Galaxy Tab to other Tablets, that this is also a phone.
[Galaxy Tab General] dhanjel:
Correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't the archos pads equipped with 256 mb of ram only which probably prevents upgrades to android 3.0?

This is a dealbreaker for me. Personally I lean towards the galaxy right now. gps, 3g and video chat camera is really nice features.

I do however have a iPad right now. But i think its too heavy and low res to be a perfect choice.

No gsm/3g at all in archos as far as I know.