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[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
Thx, that link took me to another article, answering my question above: klick

The interesting part is the following:

So Google doesn't want to prevent companies from customizing the UI through restrictions, they just want to make it pointless ;)

But now let's get btt guys, the thread is called "Android 2.1 News thread" and not "Gingerbread and stuff News thread" ^^
[XPERIA X10 General] DaddyDan:
Good point...

WHEN WILL WE GET IT!! (the 2.1 update that is)
[XPERIA X10 General] Chewitt:
What you have to look at is Man power for development, if all android phone's OS's look identical it comes down to who make the best hardware and app's not who makes there OS look nice. Imaging if HTC spent time re developing other apps and not going sense sense sense. Or if SE had spent more time on Time and Mediascape and not there updated framework, the same can also be said for Motorola with Blur a uniformed platform to work from is great from SE's perspective, as they always make good hardware (W580 and C905 excused)

All you have to do is look at the HW Features that the X10 had on its first day on the market.
[XPERIA X10 General] bradpotts:
In the times that everything is hankering after the FroYo update from Android for their HTC Desire’s, Sony Ericsson are lagging slightly behind. It has been announced that Sony’s flagship smartphone, the Sony Ericsson Xperia X10 is due for the Android 2.1 update this month, thankfully improving on the current version 1.6 model. Those who have recently upgraded to the 2.2 model, will think it impossible that some handsets are only just receiving the update and wouldn’t even consider only just getting 2.1. However, if you have been living in the dark ages of 1.6 for many months, 2.1 will feel like it has come from the gods.

One major benefit to the 2.1 update is the multi-touch feature which is not available, and sorely missed from the current model.

I found this article doing a search for Xperia X10 on Google News.... can't post links sorry, I can PM someone a link.
[XPERIA X10 General] PGRX10:
I'm guessing that the release date is not this week and that SE are sweating on their promise to release it by the end of September.

Otherwise we would surely have an official date by now:confused:
[XPERIA X10 General] rodolfo7171:
post the link with spaces like this www . google . com
[XPERIA X10 General] darkcell:
the update is fake...
[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
*cough*Windows Phone 7 *cough*

I know you're trying to imply Apple, but, there are no restrictions on their PC products.

Delaying tactic is silly though, since they pushed the release up 3 months from it's previously announced date.

I wouldn't mind a PSP-phone, sure, but I already have a PSP-3000 that works fine, and an X10... heh.

Which update?
[XPERIA X10 General] DaHu4wA:
Still no Update available :-(

I'm using UK R2BA026 -.-
[XPERIA X10 General] anjo2:
Only at the end of the weekend, probably friday.
[XPERIA X10 General] naplesbill:
The fact that you can only get OSX on Apple provided hardware (legitimately anyway) is a restriction. The fact that you can't get drivers for peripherals unless they are specifically allowed by Apple is a restriction. The fact that there are very limited upgrade options and peripheral options is a restriction.

Saying that Apple's PC products aren't restricted is simply false. Not trying to pick a fight, just think it's important to truly understand these things. This is why I do not support Apple. I think they are bad for the PC business thanks to their entire business model. I say that as a geek so your opinion may be different.
[XPERIA X10 General] krissy83:
Im uk and still on 020 while others on 026 i dont understand why this is can any one shed some light?
[XPERIA X10 General] SXUsr:
You've not updated your FW perhaps. And btw, this thread is about 2.1 news, so use the search function or browse the forum to read why you may be stuck on 020.
[XPERIA X10 General] bradpotts:
w w w . whichsmartphone . co . uk / sony-ericsson-xperia-x10-due-for-android-update/2646
[XPERIA X10 General] totalperception:
Dirty!

Was looking up Sony Ericcson product engineers on Linked In. Found one and searched for him on Twitter... OMG he posts his updates using an iPhone!!! That traitor... no wonder why they don't care about us.

WTF people... get a life. Wait patiently.
[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
And I'm not a geek?

I don't know where you're getting your drivers stuff from.... I've never, ever met an accessory that hasn't worked with my Mac. There's plenty of third party drivers out there... in fact, I'm using third party drivers with my Apple Magic Mouse, since the Apple provided ones don't give enough multitouch functions. Also, I'm running Windows 7 on a different partition, for the small amount of software I need that is Windows only (Like SEUS).

Apple, as much as you want to hate them, is exactly what the PC accessory industry needs. Look at the amount of cases, bags, stands, ect. made to fit/work with each Mac model for sale. Any other company's products? Good luck finding model-specific anything.

"Limited upgrade options" is also a farce. Can you really find that many laptops that let you upgrade them (aside from RAM and HDDs)? On the professional models, you're free to pop in whatever parts you have, if you have a driver for it.

FUD about products because you don't understand them is showing ignorance. Just like all the FUD about the 2.1 update.
[XPERIA X10 General] totalperception:
You guys want answers?

Here you go - let's start at the top:

Jong Shin, MBA (Kellogg) Director of Product Management - Consumer, Market, Competition, Quality - at Sony Ericsson

Gordon Mc Arthur Launch Execution, Technical Account and Customization Manager at Sony Ericsson

Stefan Harrstedt Chief process and systems architect at Sony Ericsson Mobile Communications AB

Marc Ahlse Director of System Verification

All contacts you could have found at Sony Ericcson on Linked In. Get off of twitter and see who you can find for answers. iPhone guy has been kept anonymous but real.
[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
People at the top will almost always know the least about a product. (The exception being Steve Jobs).

You're better off asking the devs that write SE's blogs.
[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
Anyway, here's some "news" for you all from SEUK's twitter:

http://twitter.com/SonyEricssonUK/status/25110507391

"We can confirm that the update is still due to be released before the end of quarter 3 2010 (Between July & September)."
[XPERIA X10 General] darkcell:
sony...where's my update!!
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
It's just a job not a life style. :cool:

By the way the magic number is 8 (and a half)!
[XPERIA X10 General] dbappa:
Haven't they previously said week 38 (starting 20th September)? Might be next week as surely they would be a little more specific this close to the release?
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
which is in line with what SE spain said on their facebook.. so seems reasonable.
[XPERIA X10 General] mmk92:
dude ur too annoying.
[XPERIA X10 General] SXUsr:
So did I miss the thread then.:rolleyes: I guess "tomorrow" never comes for some people eh. ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] Izzy_Deadyet:
Well, there is that whole time difference thing ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] Nankov:
Delete pls
[XPERIA X10 General] Daniel_GB:
plz stop posting spam!!:confused:

this is android 2.1 news thread,you want to close it like others?:D
[XPERIA X10 General] ukmacca84:
So just to clarify, when the update does come out, will I have to unroot my phone just to be on the safe side? Is that what everyone will be doing?

thanks.
[XPERIA X10 General] ddewbofh:
Unrooting first shouldn't be necessary for the update since it basically replaces the whole system on the internal memory. As far as SEUS is concerned the phone is stock with an additional binary installed.

One thing that bothers me though is that the hole used for the exploid root could be fixed, leaving us with an unrootable phone again. Unless of course the FOTA method would work but that seems unlikely.
[XPERIA X10 General] zodiac100:
2.1 update

The update to 2.1 will probably be released in America either at the same time or very shortly after its release in Europe. America is the biggest smart phone market in the world so it was inconceivable that SE would release the X10 series in the U.S with 1.6 and leave it like that for many months. That would have created the kind of bad rep it has in Europe which would have resulted in very poor sales. A prospect SE made sure they avoided by delaying its launch in America to a just a month before the update to 2.1. Guys when we talk in these forums, we should not forget that SE are a business primarily concerned with making profits. All their actions and statements should be viewed through that prism.
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
@ZODIAC100 - On that premise then SE wouldn't have messed the rest of the world around either.. but they did.. and the rest of the world is just as picky as the US..
[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
But then, why did Dell release their flagship phone with 1.6 a few weeks ago? Still seems to be selling.

SE is a business, and their business is selling phones, not operating systems. If their phone works as advertised, that's all a consumer can ask for.
[XPERIA X10 General] xGary:
How long would it take to make 2.1 available to all countries after it is first released in wherever? Either by SE or devs here. Im in Canada btw.
[XPERIA X10 General] hossiam:
i called rogers about the yellowing in the bottom of my screen.....after i asked about the problem he said about the update.....and i quote "like most of our android updates we will probably get it the first week of the month and release it by the end of the month"....he also said hope for the best expect the worst......should i trade this phone for the HTC Magic +?
[XPERIA X10 General] jatt101:
So today i talked to rogers, and i was told that sony is starting to roll out the update in other countries via PC companion, and rogers would get the firmware by the end of September for sure. HOpefully what i was told is true
[XPERIA X10 General] brunswick000:
I would personally trust a crystal ball over a Rogers rep. But,heres hoping that for once they know what they're talking about
[XPERIA X10 General] sahha:
last news

Latest News from Saudi Arabia : Sony World in Medina says that the update to 2.1 is coming September 15 with Arabic language support ..

I can't stress supports Arabic
[XPERIA X10 General] mmsbludhound:
Cool, it would be superb if there's a link or something to back this up.
[XPERIA X10 General] Contrarian:
Now that it's finally coming It'll be hard to go back to an unrooted phone. The only features I want from 2.1 are 16m colours and the slight performance boost. Flash would be nice, but I doubt SE will include it in this update. Either way, I'm relatively happy with my phone, regardless of firmware.
[XPERIA X10 General] jojosplace:
I know what you mean, I'll hold back updating for about 5 minutes, jump in and half an hour later be wanting to go back to a rooted phone. :D
[XPERIA X10 General] Nimche:
Tell me about it. I still appreciate our Developers to finish that process for us, without it it would be boring. We are almost there with 2.1/
[XPERIA X10 General] loneLEE:
Whoa you're a persistent lil cockroach, ain't ya? So tell me how is this reply got anything to contribute for the well-being of the X10 at all?

And serves you right for what happened last night.

After the moderator's intervention and backing up the fact that I don't use multiple accounts, and if you still believe that I am, and only one person in this mudball who doesn't like you, I'd say you're dumber than I expected =)
[XPERIA X10 General] pngface:
loneLEE, cmon man.. That's done now.. No point bringing it up again. Move on.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
My reply has more to do with the 2.1 than yours. At least I mentioned that there are 8 days left in Q3 :D
[XPERIA X10 General] naplesbill:
I am not talking about laptops alone. Try using any hardware in a desktop that Apple doesn't bless. Guess what, not going to work. This includes video cards, wireless adapters, etc. There is a small list of wireless adapters that work with OSX. How do I know all of this? Because I have built three different hackintoshes myself. So, while you may feel that your upgrade options are not limited, they really are. You may not be affected but there are nowhere near the number of options that are available on a PC. If you want to be led by the hand that is up to you. Apple is not an "open" company by any stretch of the imagination. I find it hysterical when people say "oh, I can boot Windows when I need to." Guess what, I never need to boot OSX to get anything done. I already stated that there is no need to start an argument about this. I do not hate Apple, I just don't plan to support their business model. I always look at both the pros and cons with any device, OS, or company. It is important to maintain objectivity. That is all.

And I never said anything about what you are or are not. You could be the biggest geek on this site. How would I know one way or the other.

This is all off topic so if you want to continue, start a new topic in general or send me a PM.

BTW, my laptop has a replaceable CPU, GPU, wirless nic, and all other standard replaceable items. This is all accomplished by removing a single panel and does not require disassembling the laptop. If your interested it is an ASUS G51JX-X2. I also have 4 memory slots with support for 16gb of memory.
[XPERIA X10 General] ronniecross:
Guys this is really off topic, and really annoying... ok?
[XPERIA X10 General] pngface:
It is off topic, but its not annoying :)
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
Speaking up for both of you. If we truly considered what is happening under the hood there are serious disadvantages in both business models. Many of which that have not even been mentioned here. Saying one is better than the other is kind of fruitless. Much like Republicans and Democrats, at the end of the day they will both screw you. It is simply a question of an individuals perception and preference. Just because someone has decided on supporting a different product is no reason to get upset with each other. Anyone who takes it personally should have their head examined.

Take my perception of the 2.1. I get the impression that there are people who think their X10's will print money once the update is done. But I also believe it will take about 14 hours for the novelty of 2.1 to wear off. But that is just my view point. I acknowledge there are people who are very happy with their 1.6; even though I don't understand it. But this is not a question of my happiness so good for them. That is objectivity.

So let us put all these harsh feelings and negative attitudes behind us now; BIG room hug :D
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
edit - oops
[XPERIA X10 General] npk21:
Some replies from sonyericsson uk twitter to my questions...

Q)NirajKothavade

@SonyEricssonUK Sir will you provide Live Wallpapers in newest 2.1 update of x10i? And should we hope for 16m colours in future?

Answer- SonyEricssonUK

@NirajKothavade The update to Android 2.1 will include live wallpapers however the display colours will not be updated in this update.

...........................

Q)NirajKothavade

@SonyEricssonUK Should we keep any hope for 16m colors in future for x10i?

Answer- SonyEricssonUK

@NirajKothavade We are unable to confirm whether this will be implimented until after the release of Android 2.1.

.............................

Q)NirajKothavade

@SonyEricssonUK - as you told that there won't be change in colors of x10, so will it effect the live wallpapers like lag or gradients?

Answer- SonyEricssonUK

@NirajKothavade Hi Niraj, We can confirm that this should not effect the Live Wallpapers on the handset. We hope this helps.
[XPERIA X10 General] saeam:
MUST SEE

Hello GUYS

This Is the first post here. And actually what made me

participate, is a few vids i watched today. And to know the relation

you have to know that i have been loyal to SE for 16 or maybe 17

years, when it was only Ericsson. Any way as most of ppls i was

disappointed after i bought the X10, and for the first time, not

because of the phone was bad, but because of the "-ve" reviews i read

every where. The reviews that made forget that i buy a phone for few

things i do with it not because its upgradable to 2.1 or 3 even,

actually i don't care but the reviews made me see things from that

perspective. After i watched these videos i woke up from my nightmare

of being cheated specially that the mobile in my country is not cheap

related to the payments we get.

The videos, and cheer up all SE X10 buyers:D and best regards for all

www youtube com/watch?v=p2AP3VMAkpA&feature=channel[/url]

www youtube com/watch?v=VdlaQTS76VU&feature=channel[/url]

www youtube com/watch?v=6hsov0jRvrU&feature=channel[/url]

www youtube com/watch?v=vcaNkuQhEis&feature=channel[/url]

www youtube com/watch?v=reEOSt9Qhgo&feature=channel[/url]

NICE WATCH
[XPERIA X10 General] darkcell:
what was the reason for not including 16m color into next update??
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
From what I have read it has something to do with the X10's on-going stability issues.
[XPERIA X10 General] naplesbill:
Nobody has any clue because SE have not stated any reason. Anything you might hear is just a guess at best.
[XPERIA X10 General] reptile64:
They didn't implement 16m colours because it'll cause lag to the device. So simple. Anyway.. I think 65k is just fine for most of the people, the pictures and videos looks great even now!
[XPERIA X10 General] totalperception:
16M colors

Yes they do already look great.

I don't mind the extra added power savings of lower colors.

If I wanted to see the pic/vid for all it's worth I know I can trust the quality enough to upload everything to my PC and enjoy the darn things on my 47"HDTV.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
I can only think of one logical explanation behind the half a years wait for a minor update to 2.1. That explanation would be in relation to stability issues facing the X10. I hardly think that the date of the update is simply some arbitrary date selected at random.

The reason the update is taking all this time and will be sent piece mail has to do with SE not yet having engineered the device to meet the minimum in stability with the new OS.

Obviously the display is a big part of this.
[XPERIA X10 General] darkcell:
I think SE just wait for X10 mini and pro to be launched...and the UXP off course...
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
Always a possibility. And, if you look at how SE handled the X1, P910, and P900 there are an awful lot of similarities.

However, for sake of avoiding arguments on this thread I will stay open to the possibility of SE engineering short comings.
[XPERIA X10 General] kosalaeranga:
hi i found this on SE Australian Facebook page

Sony Ericsson Australia

It’s nice to see you’re all getting excited about the 2.1 upgrade! We can confirm that it will be available soon, so watch this space for more information and more details on how to get the upgrade once its available. Sorry we can’t tell you more at the moment, but we’ll keep this page updated.7 hours ago

i hope it will available soon

:)
[XPERIA X10 General] killerskincanoe:
What are these 'stability' issues i keep reqding abt. Ne1 care to be a bkt more specific?
[XPERIA X10 General] will.m:
Battery drain, random restarts, wifi issues when phone loses signal, and charging discharges the battery to name a few that I've encountered.
[XPERIA X10 General] naplesbill:
I have had zero stability issues with my X10 or the two other X10s on my account. I also don't recall ever reading anything from an official source confirming or denying any stability issues. Having said that, I don't see how anyone could claim that this has anything to do with the update or why there will not be 16m colors in the update.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
The X10 is not currently without issues.

But the stability issues that I am refering to are in relation the X10 with 2.1. Why do you think we are all waiting for a half a year for this revision when other devices have been using the 2.1 already? Obviously the 2.1 and 2.2 both work. The X10's stability is also used as the reason to why we are talking about 2.1 and not 2.2.
[XPERIA X10 General] naplesbill:
Where are you getting this information from?
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
Let's reverse engineer this.

There are only two possible reasons behind our prolonged wait for 2.1.

1) SE are intentionally holding back the revision as part of their long term strategic marketing plan. The idea behind this could be to get you to buy their next device which will have the latest OS.

2) Problem getting the OS to run smoothly enough with the device to release to market. AKA device stability issues

Now we know the 2.1 and 2.2 work as expected. So if the answer is not #1 than that only means one thing.

In recent statements from SE the 2.1 revision will now be released in piece mail starting some time by the end of this month. The date that this update will actually be complete is unknown. This tells me that SE are not doing this intentionally but are instead having trouble over coming the X10's stability issues.
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
There is a third possibility..

That their UI goes so deep and widespread into the core 2.1 system and was written in such a way to work with 1.6 that converting it to work quickly and smoothly under 2.1 has taken a hell of a long time.

and a fourth (possibly even in combination with the 3rd)- Getting things like HTML5 to work well under 2.1 may also of been a pig of a job!
[XPERIA X10 General] pngface:
I was under the impression that HTML5 is already built into the Eclair browser?
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
Both of the examples that you make would be consider device stability issues. If they can not get either example to run smooth enough to take the revision to market this is a question of the devices stability running either of your example.

Like I said there are only two possibilities; I am sorry if the term bothers you but it is what it is.
[XPERIA X10 General] Ballfuzz:
For those people on rogers, this update isn't coming until december. I read that yesterday.

Hooray!

Maybe it'll be on time for the rest of the world to get the second update. Ha
[XPERIA X10 General] pngface:
Yea as soon as I heard that I debranded :)

No more Rogers for me... well I still pay them every month, but other than that My Account app which I downloaded, there's no trace of Rogers on my phone
[XPERIA X10 General] naplesbill:
So you are basically using extrapolated data and then presenting it as fact. This is only in your opinion. Not trying to start anything but it does annoy me when people state something they are assuming as if it is a verified truth.

There are many reasons for the release taking so long to be completed. If you look at the history of HTC, they haven't always been quick to release updates either. They have a far deeper experience level with Android at this point so they should be able to release updates in a somewhat timely fashion. This is SEs first Android phone and their first major update. I would assume that the length of time has more to do with that than anything else. We have no way of knowing unless SE makes it public knowledge, which they haven't.

I am not trying to pick on you but please understand where I'm coming from here. I have worked in a development environment, and more specifically, in testing. There are so many things that have to be done to qualify a minor update and the number of test items for a major update is much higher. I would rather wait for a well tested release than have something rushed out, just to have it. As SE builds more Android handsets, these updates will get developed much more quickly and smoothly. It is the nature of the beast and it is why these manufacturers hate updates.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
Talk about pouring salt on an open wound; that's rough! :p