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[Nexus One General] fubaya:
What are the odds of your question getting moved?

I agree, there's two whole pages of moved threads with about 3-4 posts mixed in with them. When I see that I think "oh well, I won't be reading that section today."
[Nexus One General] _-..zKiLLA..-_:
Definitely looks retarded now.
[Nexus One General] stuff:
lol'd at all the moved topics. failmods are fail.
[Nexus One General] evilkorn:
Well if people learned how to read they wouldn't have to mass move topics.
[Nexus One General] khaytsus:
Why do idiots keep posting questions in the wrong section?
[Nexus One General] Mokurex:
This is awesome. lol
[Nexus One General] galaxys:
This one should be moved to Outer Space :D
[Nexus One General] MicroMod777:
They should be merged! Never seen the first page of a forum section with so many moved threads in my life. Its obvious that by general public demand that this section is where questions are posted.

This is just crazy! LOL
[Nexus One General] MaximReapage:
OP, I would +rep you if this forum supported it. Instead, I can only salute you.

You should probably make a post in the forums the mods/admins actually regularly READ making this suggestion, and reference this post.
[Nexus One General] Paul22000:
Ahahaha

I remember when the Q&A section was created. I remember saying how bad of a idea that was and how it would never get followed, especially for newcomers.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
[Nexus One General] Rusty!:
It dose look pretty stupid, not to mention some of the stuff moved to Q&A clearly doesn't bleong in Q&A.
[Nexus One General] md2:
Aren't most things going to be questions? The only other kind of things would be statements or essentially news "I fixed this", "I got usb host working". Maybe they want a News forum and should call it "News".
[Nexus One General] JanetPanic:
I agree this level of moderation is not helpful, and I have complained about it in the past. That said there is a sticky on the Nexus One General forum for what is acceptable here. It is not really the Mods fault that so many people ignore it. I am more a "will of the people" kind of guy and would not move them, but the mods here feel differently.
[Nexus One General] diversificationied:
Redudant sectiong not being dealt with on a developers forums is deliciously ironic.
[Nexus One General] GuestX0019:
Since this is the first page of the forum. Why not make it Q&A and the other one Comments/Opinions or what ever. Agree with one poster, you would expect to aks questions on the main forum page. Don't know why it was changed. Maybe a good reason? After the first forum page anywhere, you can then go to specific topics. That makes more sense to me.
[Nexus One General] nexusdue:
Totally agree with OP.

It is absolutely retarded.

It would make sense though to have a separate forum where "answered" questions and guides get moved to - THAT would make sense.
[Nexus One General] NotATreoFan:
What makes sense is for people to follow the rules in the first place. If you did, we would not have to move so many threads. The pointers you see are called expiring redirects, and they disappear 24 hours after the move. We have the option to move without redirect, but that tends to force people to just post their question again when they don't see the original thread was moved.

Here are a few more things I find interesting:

The people complaining about over-moderation are relatively new to XDA-Developers. I understand that XDA-Developers has seen an influx of members since adding Android (and non-HTC) devices within the last 12-24 months. However, that does not excuse members not following the already established rules. The rule(s) regarding posting in the proper place are not new, and whether you read them or not, you agreed to them when registering. In short, deal with it, or goodbye. You will not be missed.

When XDA-Developers created the original Q&A forum over a year ago, it was received warmly by 99.9% of members. In fact, the Q&A section was so popular, that members began to request Q&A sub-forums specific to each device, thereby keeping the General Q&A generic enough to apply to most/all devices. By default, a Q&A section is not created for a new device until the need arises.

In closing, please keep in mind the following. When people take the time to read before posting, they will either find their question has already been answered, or they will see that the Q&A sections are flame-free sections for posting questions.
[Nexus One General] JanetPanic:
Let's not over generalize please.

And I was one of the ones praising the creation. It does not mean it is proving effective.
[Nexus One General] y2whisper:
I agree with NATF on the most part, the forum has rules, even a sticky and people refuse to follow it. Its not hard, if there is a question mark at the end of the thread title, it probably belongs in the Q&A section
[Nexus One General] flarbear:
It would help if the section was not called "General". In my mind there should never be any rules on a "General" section since it is, by name, the default place that anything could go into. There may be a "more specific" place for any given post to be, but there are no posts that are outside the realm of "general".

If this forum is really for "tips/info/etc." then it should be called "Nexus One Tips and Info"...
[Nexus One General] flarbear:
Personally I would rather see a distinction along the lines of:

Nexus One Discussion - postings and musings about the Nexus One. Note that many excellent discussions start with a well considered question so the fact that the post is formed as a question doesn't immediately mean it is misfiled (as per the current rules) - it is more the intent of the question.

Nexus One Help and Queries - postings asking how to use or fix problems with the Nexus One, including questions asking about its features for people considering getting one. Most all postings here will likely be in the form of a question, but that isn't specifically the distinction that makes them appropriate for this forum - it is the nature of the question, i.e. "How do I?" or "Does the Nexus One?" etc.

I have rarely gone into the Q&A forum because it seemed dominated by the "How do I" postings that I really am not interested in. I almost always come to this forum because it deals with issues and even ponderings (i.e discussion questions) about the Nexus One. As such I believe that the above is the way the people were generally using the forum, but the wrong aspect of the distinction they desired got elevated into the rules and policies of the forum subdivision...
[Nexus One General] NotATreoFan:
The problem is not with the sub-forum names or layout. It is with people who don't take the time to read beforehand, and instead just post wherever because they don't care about following forum rules.

The Nexus One sub-forum layout is identical to other device sections, and yet this is the only one where people complain consistently because the forum/Senior Mods are trying to keep them clean and organized.
[Nexus One General] bigmout:
This. I will never understand why moderators of internet forums waste such time and energy fighting human nature. Yes, people are dumb and don't read carefully. No, you aren't going to change that by moving threads on an internet forum.

I don't really care either way. It just seems like a lot of effort for very little gain.
[Nexus One General] xXJay_RXx:
this pretty much sums it all
[Nexus One General] nexusdue:
And now it has been shown that it is not working and creates even more confusion.

The "old" XDA from 1-2 years ago was MUCH BETTER but I don't care.

Maybe people would also search more if the search function worked better - compared to other boards, searching on XDA is a pain. It's easier (and more effective) to use google.com to find an answer on XDA than to search within the board ...
[Nexus One General] Paul22000:
I think the obvious problem is that this is the "General" forum. People equate that to "POST ANYTHING HERE".

Wouldn't the obvious solution be to rename the forum to "Nexus One News & Tips/Tricks" ?
[Nexus One General] NotATreoFan:
The problem with this is that "Device General" works in the other sections. We will not rename a single sub-forum just because people will not post in the correct section.
[Nexus One General] TheDeadCPU:
From Nexus One General - why do mods keep trashing this forum section?

I agree that General and Q&A should be the same forum..

But that's up to the admins..

Also, I've just been named the new Mod here. From just an hour ago or so.

So. Just report the threads you feel shouldn't be here and they will be moved and so on.
[Nexus One General] flarbear:
First let me say that I tend to come to this forum because the amount and quality of information that I get here blows away any other forum. I imagine this has most to do with the fact that this whole forum sprang up from a more developer-oriented community than other forums and the people who would be attracted to such a site, especially as it has grown over time, are a little more industry-and-forum savvy than most.

And your post makes an excellent point about how the problem is unique to this sub-forum, but...

The Nexus One is not like the other phones. Comparing what works for other forums to what is (apparently not) working here isn't an apples to apples comparison. This phone is going to attract a lot of discussion about "the Android platform in general" more than other phones, given its roots, and because there are no effective carrier-provided support forums or lines of communication for this phone combined with the popularity (and quality) of this site it is also far more likely to bring in random customers who just need some help.

And so, in the end, what works for other phones doesn't necessarily work for this phone.

Your preferred naming (and the philosophy behind the sub-divisions themselves) may be enough for the type of people that seek out XDA for the other sub-forums (probably much much higher a proportion of experienced modders than the N1), but it isn't enough for this sub-forum as can be seen empirically by the results.

You can shake your finger and continue to expect everyone to act as you wish them to despite a history of that not working, or you can try to figure out what is happening and why and react to it.
[Nexus One General] :
I think it is semantics. If a company grows it may need to change its' policies to accomodate a change in customer base. If they want the new customers.

I respect all the mods for their time invested in these forums. But, not all forums are set up the same. The Nexus One Forum: http://www.nexusoneforum.net, has a General Section in front that isn't restrictive, then others below that are.

Unfortunately most people don't read the stickies whether they should or not. They are looking for help and assume the first General Discussion will do. The title says (tips & tricks etc) etc can have a wide meaning.

I have belonged to forums from these to BB's, Health, Auto etc for 12+ years and that is the way they are.

This is a great forum for accurate advise from very knowledgeable members and mods. But, it just seems a little stubborn to say that's the way it is when so many people are not getting it right. That reasoning is what my father told me and what TI's were saying during my early military days. I am 60. Changing a couple titles can not be that big of a deal.

However, what ever is decided will be fine with me. I will post in Q&A, since I have no tips and tricks and last post here. Just hope it gets worked out. :)

Ken
[Nexus One General] sstang2006:
+1

10charac
[Nexus One General] nexusdue:
No matter how much the mods wish for it, I doubt people will change their habits.

So I guess ...

... the mods will continue to trash this forum,

... posters will continue to ignore the mods wishes, and

... everybody will be unhappy (except for the guy that makes the rules).
[Nexus One General] :
No it doesn't. I just checked a few randmonly selected device sub sections and nearly half the threads on the first page of the "general" forums are questions.

Having a general and Q&A is redundant beyond belief, as they are both basically "general" sections.
[Nexus One General] jug6ernaut:
What everyone has to understand is we have the layout for a reason, its not for our benefit its for yours. It is structured in a way that we believe will best manage the types of post that will be posted in an even and efficient manner. We move these posts in a effort to keep this order and to help that person and others with the same problem to get there answers.

Due to the raw size of the Nexus user base we have to have the General and Q&A sub forums separate. If we were to merge the two sub forums the product would be a sub forum that is that would be over polluted and redundant. This would be counter productive and would most likely cause everyone to be angry. In truth if users just used the Search function the majority of the q&a posts would never have to be.

In the end we are doing this to try and make everyone's experience here as good as possible, we can do that by ourselves. Please keep that in mind.

Jug6ernaut
[Nexus One General] flarbear:
That doesn't explain why you are resistant to changing their names to make their function more obvious...?
[Nexus One General] bpm2000:
Also - as someone who does read rules and posts in the "correct" section - I don't like the distinction between the Q&A and General section because the Q&A just doesn't get enough attention. I feel like half of the time a Q I had would have been answered if I posted it in the general section but it just gets passed on in Q&A because it isn't garnering the attention that it might here. I like the change of naming idea personally.

.03
[Nexus One General] DarkDvr:
Agreed, actually.

Twice some mod made my battery guide a sticky, and twice it was removed by some other mod. And I spent a lot of time and research in doing it (link in my sig).

A shame that mods are extremely trigger happy here.
[Nexus One General] flarbear:
I just went and starred and Voted Dark's battery thread to the front page (something I don't normally think to do). Perhaps if more do the same then it may be re-sticky-ed...

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=669497
[Nexus One General] AbsoluteDesignz:
to me a Q&A section is more fitting for questions like "How do I do

this

with my N1" or "Is this phone going to work on HSPA+?" Not for questions like the one on my sig...that is N1 General...or rather even Android General or even Themes (which in retrospect it should've been moved or created there) but anyways...
[Nexus One General] Paul22000:
Oh really? :D

You DO realize that the Nexus One Q&A forum didn't actually exist for several months, and was only created long after the Nexus One forums were added to XDA, correct? Just checking... :D

I mean, I didn't see XDA suddenly explode into anger during those months -- Did you? :D

I'm pretty sure we're all big boys and girls and can handle simple questions mixed in with tips and news posts.
[Nexus One General] nexusdue:
It's only that pretty much everybody seems to dislike the current structure.

And if the search function actually worked better (like on some other boards), people might actually use it ... having mods move threads around probably also doesn't help when one is trying to find something.
[Nexus One General] NotATreoFan:
The search function is powered by Google, so if it's not finding the correct results, then billion-dollar-company-fail. When we move a thread to a different forum, the URL does not change, so no search results will be broken in the move.

As I have already said, I do not believe that there is anything wrong with the current setup, but I will send a message to the Admins asking them to evaluate the situation.

-NATF
[Nexus One General] svetius:
Just wanted to chime in here.

Our fantastic moderators do their best to keep XDA organized. Trust me when I say that this is no easy task, given the volume of new posts and threads that are created each day here.

For the most popular devices, we add Q&A forums, for the purpose of better organizing discussion that takes place in the General sections. This has worked quite well in the past, and we continue to do so.

When the mods see a question placed in the General section, it's only logical that they move it to the Q&A section. Members can help with this process by only posting questions in the Q&A forum.

Some of you have proposed a difficult structure for the Nexus One forums, and we really appreciate the ideas. If we were to change the forums here, we'd have to change the structure for all other devices on XDA for the sake of consistency. We realize that the way we've structured the fora of XDA isn't perfect (and truthfully if we were to start over, we'd do it differently), but it's served us well for ten years now and it's not something we're going to change soon.

Thanks again for all of your input, and feel free to PM me directly if you want to discuss anything =D.
[Nexus One General] nexusdue:
You seem to contradict yourself there.

Having Q&A and General for Nexus One doesn't seem to work, so why not combine them into one forum like you seem to have it for less popular devices?
[Nexus One General] :
I don't think they want to break the {if users=alot then general=!q&a } code.
[Nexus One General] melwan:
N1 is not exactly a "less popular device". If both forums get combined, the majority of questions threads will get buried in p3+ in less than 24 hours, making it pointless for people to even bother asking questions in the first place. Thus, defeating the purpose of this helpful community.

My $0.02
[Nexus One General] bigmout:
In other words, "the most popular devices" are treated differently. That's inconsistency.

Huh? You just admitted above that you vary forum structure depending on a device's popularity. If consistency is that important, however, why not eliminate the separate Q&A forum, making the N1 consistent with less popular devices?

I think this concern is a wash. People already complain that questions get "buried" in the Q&A forum because nobody goes there. What's the difference if they get ignored on p3 vs. a Q&A forum?
[Nexus One General] JanetPanic:
Well it would be inconsistent in that popular devices get a Q&A section. It would not be inconsistent in that some devices have a Q&A and some do not.

When all is said and done the turnover in Q&A is moderately rapid where General is not. If you combine the two directly front page turnaround would probably be under 24 hours at times. This would primarily be at the cost of threads that would otherwise stay on the front page in General. Given that, a straight merger of the two forums might not be an optimal solution.

I only read the forums for the phone I am actively using generally so I don't know if admins do the same thing in the other General sections. Yesterday however 39% of posts in the combined General forums of phones with Q&A either were prepended with "[Q]" or ended with "?". That suggests it is not a phenomenon localized to the N1.

The idea of a customized set of subforums is appealing if you consider the N1 forums as their own distinct community (as some users do), but not if you consider XDA as a whole the community (as the Admins do). I tend to side with the admins in that renaming the N1 forums alone would be inconsistent.

So that leaves moderation. In my opinion the problem that some of the N1 community have with the moderation as it stands is that it is abitrary and capricious. It does not seem to be directed or even welcomed by the people generating the content on the N1 forums but instead is the hand of God reaching down and disrupting the lives of the peasants. In my perfect world the moderators would not move the posts unless asked to by one of the active users of the N1 forums (of which no admin seems to be at the moment). This perfect world solution for me would probably be a living hell for the moderators however. That said I would rather the posts fall where they may than to have entire pages of posts be moved at seemingly random intervals. That is disruptive.

At the base of it I can understand the moderators position in that the rules are clearly stated at the top of the forum. It is the method of enforcement that I question.
[Nexus One General] melwan:
So what are you saying? Instead of finding a root solution to this issue, you would rather replace a problem with another problem?

If the new solution (merging both forums into one) would get us back to square one (questions not being answered that is), what's the point of the whole merge?

I think the solution is to direct more traffic to the Qs forum, not abolish it. The Q&A forum needs to stand out more to new users, and there should be an incentive for experts to help/answer these Qs imho.
[Nexus One General] bigmout:
No, I'm just saying that ignored questions is a problem either way, so it shouldn't affect the decision one way or the other. Imagine you're brave Odysseus. If you go right, you hit Scylla. Left, Charybdis. So, logically, your decision about whether to go right or left shouldn't be determined by the possibility you'll run into a monster.

I'm not following you. How could they direct more traffic there than they already do? If "trashing" the forum doesn't change behavior, what do you suppose will?

PS: Like I said, I don't really have a dog in this fight. Just trying to help clarify what's logical and relevant to the argument.
[Nexus One General] nexusdue:
Couldn't agree more.

+1
[Off-topic] flyboyovyick:
Well iam going to start this!

My experience with laptops has been moderately good.

First laptops (the digital and compaq were non working) lol:

Compaq Armada (dark grey)

Dell Latitude XPI: P1 150mhz, 64mb ram, floppy win 98

Digital (yes the make is digital)

Then my luck came:

Dell Latitude XPI CD!!! wooo! CD!! p1 150mhz, 64mb ram, floppy. win me

^^ I broke that one

Then there was a long gap (about 4 years):

Compaq Evo N610c:P4 1.6Ghz, 1gb ram, 160gb hdd, dvd, win 7 home premium:

pretty good running win 7 for a 8 year old laptop!

Then:

Advent 7088 (based on ECS 331): Amd Athlon 1.6ghz, 1gb ram, 160gb hdd, dvd writer, wifi, win 7 ultimate

Thats it really, the advent is my current laptop.

Thanks for reading.

Post your history!
[Off-topic] orb3000:
Had 3 laptops the 3 of the toshiba all great experiences so still on same brand for the next one:cool:
[Off-topic] wdfowty:
i went from this:

to this:

and now I'm in the market for a new one :D
[Off-topic] flyboyovyick:
My sister and dad have a toshiba each and i don't really mind them. My sisters is a satellite dualcore, and iam surprised at how cool it is!

But i think i am going to stick with compaq as they are quite cheap
[Off-topic] souljaboy:
sony vaio UX series

a piece of hardware directly from heaven
[Off-topic] wdfowty:
Looks like the Schwarzenegger of PSP's lol
[Off-topic] kdj67f:
My first laptop was a Dell lattitude lm that was a leftover from Boeing when they upgraded OS's... It was a pentium MMX @166Mhz, 640Kb RAM, 3Gb HDD and Win95. Interestingly enough it still boots, works and runs my CAD program from college haha! I ran windows update and received the "your system has reached end of life and will have no more updates" message and have a picture somewhere...

My current laptop is a Dell Inspiron 1525, Core2 duo @1.66Ghz, 3Gb RAM, 160Gb HDD, running Vista. Runs perfectly and has for years now, got it from the Dell outlet for about $480 several years ago.

After having a Compaq desktop years ago (that ended it's life horribly) I have stuck with Dell products from the outlet. I don't care about scratches and dents, as long as they work! :D
[Off-topic] htc fan89:
I'm still using my first laptop which is an Sony vaio its like a desktop. My newer laptop broke which is also an vaio.
[Off-topic] rorytmeadows:
I have had 3 laptops...
[Off-topic] SamVib:
I had 3 laptops.

One old acer (sucked sent it in to repairs 3 times)

HP netbook

It was better than the acer

Gateway (current)

The best laptop of them all.

2.1ghz amd dual core

4gigs of ram

320gb

Its damn awesome, I am saving up for a mac though.