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[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rykoshi:
Hello everyone, this is my first post and a quick question.

I just got an HTC HD2 for around 1 month and it's running window mobile. I am not satisfied with it because it lags and lacks many features that even my ipod touch 1g would be better than it, if it was capable of calling that is. However, someone told me that android run really well on HTC HD2. My uncle doesn't mind trading his iphone 4 for my htc hd2 but is it worth it?

For those who experience android, is a HTC HD2 running android better or worse than an iphone 4?

Thank you very much.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
lol well it is personal preference but i would swap for the iphone 4 play with it until bored then sell it and buy another hd2 and bank the rest of the cash.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] samsamuel:
post deleted - forget it, ranting and i cant be arsed.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darkony:
X2
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] papabear:
I think that android has a lot more to offer. And the fact that you can choose which OS you want to run on your phone is awesome as well.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] morpheus1982:
LMAO! I wish I knew what you originally wrote now.

Comments like "phone lags" is pretty lame given the options you have in terms of official patches, ROM and Custom ROMs. No one should be complaining stability and performance if they researched properly.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] crash_194:
Dude, my advice would be, that if you even have to ask go with the iphone 4.

I bought a windows mobile device, not a device i like that happens to be running windows mobile if that makes sense. So if you think its laggy then the feautures of it clearly aren't at the forefront of your requirements.

If i wanted a phone i could shake and it make light sabre noises, and use as an ipod and charge up every time i'm in one mile of a plug socket...I would buy an iphone 4 lol
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sausagedog:
they both have there pros and cons but give me a hd2 any day
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Bryski:
As title really

I am currently using Phonebook 2.0 but am interested in what others use and why.

Cheers

Bry.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Mnemoch:
I just put shortcuts to each contact on a home screen, wish some way to round the edges a bit though...
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MarkI9000:
What happens to internal SD when you insert an external SD card?

Why does it disappear?

When I go into 'My Files' after I've inserted an external SD card, I can now see the files on my SD card, but my internal SD is now missing!

Mysteriously though, when I remove my external SD card, my internal SD files become visible again in 'My Files' !!!

Yes, both internal and external SD are mounted in Settings.

TIA
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AllGamer:
in File Manager app

/sdcard/ = internal SD

/sdcard/sd/ = external SD
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MarkI9000:
Maybe our phones are a little different?

When I don't have my external SD in the phone and I go into 'My Files'

I see at the top /sdcard/

and below that I see:

albumbthumbs

bluetooth

DCIM

Android

SD (internal)

When I have my external SD in the phone and I go into 'My Files'

I see at the top /sdcard/

and below that I see:

albumbthumbs

bluetooth

DCIM

Android

SD folder with a white symbol (indicating external SD card)
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AllGamer:
what if you navigate to /sdcard/sd/

what does it shows?
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MarkI9000:
It shows all of the folders on my SD external card (nothing at all about internal SD card).
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AllGamer:
not sure what's the cause of the problem, but that is one weird bug indeed.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ShezUK:
So when you go to /sdcard/ without an external SD card you find all the files on your internal SD card (albumbthumbs, bluetooth, DCIM, etc.)

And when you go to /sdcard/sd/ with an external SD card you find all the files on your external SD card? I don't see a problem.

You said without the external card you see "SD (internal)" in My Files, does it actually say internal or are you assuming? That should actually be external.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MarkI9000:
Well let's first make an important distinction here.

There appears to be an internal SD card section that is *separate* from another part of the phone's memory.

So *without* the external card in the phone I have the following at /sdcard/

-bluetooth

-albumthumbs

-sd (internal) (with a bunch of test files that I placed here)

-DCIM

-Android

You seem to be lumping all of the files that are not on the external SD card as 'sd internal'. This is not the case!

Now, when I place the external SD card back in the phone and go back to /sdcard/, this is what I see:

-bluetooth

-albumthumbs

-DCIM

-Android

-sd (white marker external, with all of its subfolders and files)

Correct. See above, there is a problem. My SD internal is now gone (with the test files that I placed there).

It simply says 'sd'. I know for a fact that it is 'sd internal' because of the test files that I placed there, and because there is no little white icon next to the sd folder.

When I tap on this sd icon I see the test files and I don't see any of my 'SD external' folders/files.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] makamiso:
i was always under the impression that the the place where the

-bluetooth

-albumthumbs

-DCIM

-Android

folders IS the internal SD card and the SD card folder shown in there is the external?

I'm assuming i've been incorrect all this time then?
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MarkI9000:
Yes by all indications you have been incorrect.

Let's put it this way. If someone paid an Android OS programmer to develop the most confusing way to set up the SD/file system on this phone, they couldn't have come up with something more complicated than what we have. :(

I just tried out some new experiments, but before I get into them, I notice in your example above you have left out the 'sd folder' under /sdcard/. Is this because you can't see it listed with the other folders listed above?

How big is your internal memory and is your internal SD card mounted?

Here's my latest experiments:

I went into settings/sd card and phone storage/ and Unmounted my External sd card.

Then I went into 'My Files' and this was the list under /sdcard/

-00001.vcf (a backup of my phone contacts)

/bluetooth

/albumthumbs

/sd (in here are some of my test files)

/DCIM

/Android

I couldn't see my external SD card because I unmounted it, but I COULD see my internal /sd folder now (mentioned above).

Next I went back to settings/sd card and phone storage/ and Unmounted my Internal SD card. It's Interesting to note that the message on the front notification panel said "Internal SD card safe to remove; The internal SD card can now be safely removed" !!!! Yeah right!

Next we go into My Files and it says "Your phone does not have a SD card inserted. So even though I believe the internal SD section is separate from the other phone storage memory (DCIM, Android etc.) they are still tied together so that when you Unmount the 'internal SD card' you are unmounting both of them at the same time.

Next I went back to settings/sd card and phone storage/ and Mounted my External sd card and left my Internal SD unmounted.

But before I could do that I had to physically remove the SD card from the phone and re-insert it! The phone will not allow you to Mount the external SD card unless you pull it from the machine (unlike the internal SD card).

Or should I say I tried to Mount my external SD card. Get this!!!

After I removed and then re-inserted the card and went back to the home screen there was a message on the front notification panel that said "Can not mount External SD card; Mount point absent or incorrect. Please unplug USB".

!!! Holy cow. USB! I haven't been able to get my USB to connect to my computer. What's the deal now??? There is nothing plugged into the USB!!!

Back to "My Files'. "Your phone does not have a SD card inserted" Yeah right.

Back to settings, sd card and phone storage/ and Mounted my internal SD card.

Guess what happened on this same screen when I mounted my internal SD?

Yes the Internal SD card said mounted, but what about the External SD card?

It was now mounted too!!!

OK back to 'My Files'. What do you predict will show? I know what I'm betting on.

You guessed it. Back to square one. Only the External SD card and its files are showing:

/albumthumbs

-00001.vcf (another backup of my phone contacts)

/bluetooth

/DCIM

/Android

/sd (with WHITE icon, and all of my subfolders and files inside)

Now you go figure this one out!
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ickyboo:
The folders layout on sgs makes PERFECT sense. Before the sgs there was no other phone that had built in storage of 8-16gigs so a external card would be named /sd card/ and apps where written to expect that folder if they ever needed to access external cards. Now along comes sgs with its built in mem, rather screw up all the apps out already they was smart enough just to do a soft folder link from /dev/whateverhardware/ to /sd card/sd/ and save everyone trouble. So if you dont have a card inside probe you are actualy viewing a folder called sd but when system sees the external card the folder turns into the ext card and links it while the original sd folder goes hiding. Your basic linux file handling knowledge would have told you. Simple
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MarkI9000:
You obviously have a lot more experience with this OS than I do and I think you are pretty close to on the money. There's just one or two things I still don't understand though.

For fun and to see if I could get to the heart of this, I re-named the sd folder (when I didn't have my external Sd card inserted) to 'sd-internal'.

And soon after that (not immediately), and new folder popped up on its own, called 'sd'. Interesting.

Then later when I re-inserted my external sd card, I could now (for the first time) see the sd-internal folder (with my test files inside) BUT.... the new 'sd' folder was again hidden!

So I still don't quite understand what's happening.

Also, when you go into Phone/SD card storage you see the sizes of internal SD, external SD and phone memory. For me it's approx. internal-6G, external-8G, phone-2G.

So please, besides explaining why the SD internal comes and goes, can you explain what is considered 'internal SD' (the 6G of space) and where this storage space is? Is it ANDROID + DCIM + other + SD, or is it just 'SD' or ???

TIA
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] makamiso:
well when you're doing an update.zip, people say put it on the root of your internal sd card. Which is the screen you go into when going into astro or my files. I mean that whole directory is called /sdcard, that IS your internal SD card.

I have no damn idea what the SD folder is before you put an actual external sd card in as that folder then has that little white sd card icon on it indicating that its the external card. I believe the folder beforehand is just a placeholder or something similar. Basically when you want to put stuff on your internal, you put it in your main folder where stuff like the "Download" folder and alike is. At least thats what i do.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MarkI9000:
Makamiso I believe you've got it!

After much deliberation I believe we have solved the Internal SD card puzzle/mystery.

Here's how I see it.

As you said, that SD folder that you see inside the /sdcard/ is simply a placeholder, nothing more (actually it is a little more).

That was my mistake!

When I first saw it, I thought IT was the entire Internal SD card.

So when I had some files that I wanted to transfer to the phone that's the place I logically thought I should place them in!

It ALLOWED me to place files inside it! Therefore it's not simply a placeholder.

And when I inserted my external SD card into the phone, the 'SD' placeholder folder turned into the external SD folder (the only difference was the white icon next to it).

BUT, the files that I had placed into the 'placeholder' SD folder were gone!

Couldn't access them.

Later I renamed the 'sd' folder to sd-internal (I know it's a bad choice of name now) and when I did this a new sd folder was created automatically (the new placeholder).

NOW when I had my external SD card inserted, I could access the files in the 'sd-internal' folder.

So to summarize;

-the /sdcard/ IS the Internal SD card.

-the sd folder is a dummy/placeholder folder used simply to confuse users like us.

-when you insert an external sd card, the sd folder becomes a real folder (and has a white icon next to it).

-DON'T be tricked like me and place any files inside the SD folder (when you don't have an external card in the phone!!!)

*This last paragraph should become a sticky for new users!
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Gooofy:
I really have no idea how to fix this.

I have the EXACT problem.
[Nexus One General] Paul22000:
http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2010/08/call-phones-from-gmail.html

Amazing!

Now, the question is: how to make these VOIP calls from the Nexus One over Wi-fi?! :cool:

Goodbye Skype, RIP :cool:
[Nexus One General] [IO]ERROR:
I'm sure it's only a matter of time before the google voice app works over wifi and 3g.
[Nexus One General] Blueman101:
Voip on android phone is now within our grasp MUHAHAHAHA!!!
[Nexus One General] ChronoReverse:
Add SIP and Canadian local numbers/signups and this will be great. I'd use the 3cx soft phone app and be happy.
[Nexus One General] archangelugp:
It doesn't do that now?

I guess I'm kinda confused, I've been in the Google Voice beta for some time now, well since I got my Nexus one back in March.

Google Voice isn't in beta anymore and anyone can sign up for free... Doesn't this already provide us with VOIP using the Google Voice Application on the Market?
[Nexus One General] Blueman101:
No, though you are correct that it already works on wifi and 3g, i believe he was talking about a VOIP application from Google that can work on both of those. Currently GV is NOT a voip service,ll it is is a fancy forwarder (a very useful forwarder) it still takes minutes to call people. We are hoping that they will eventually convert it into a voip client like the gmail client just did explained in the article.
[Nexus One General] clashcity:
GV VOIP on the Android headset would change the whole telephone industry. I'd imagine big companies have been worrying about this for a while. Data rates would have to be seriously reconsidered. Unlimited data in the US, if a GV VOIP integration was made, would explode. This is why Verizon has locked down the Skype app to their voice network.

The last I read before this release was that Google was trying to nail down the mic/speaker driver interactions with the browser itself. They had almost abandoned the project. That's where those fancy Chrome/Mozilla plugins come in. With CM's mod, I tried visiting gmail with desktop as the user agent, but without those plugins it's useless.
[Nexus One General] clashcity:
hxxp://techcrunch.com/2010/06/11/google-voice-desktop-app-launch-delayed-may-be-scrapped/
[Nexus One General] clashcity:
Obviously. They got it working in a web enviornment. I was replying to Paul's question.
[Nexus One General] gibosn6594:
Hey guys,

Not really a Nexus question, but the dialer locks up my system when I try to make a call from it. Is the dialer a java program that isn't playing nice with my Vista system?

Any advice on how to fix this?
[Nexus One General] BrotherG:
Anyone know if you can now set up sipdroid to use this without a gizmo5 account?
[Nexus One General] J.L.C.:
This has been rolled out to me (in Canada) and it works great!
[Nexus One General] ChronoReverse:
Same here. Just need SIP and Canadian numbers now lol
[Nexus One General] bigmout:
Google Voice works over wifi?
[Nexus One General] Blueman101:
sure, well part of it, if you are out in the middle of no where and only hada wifi (no carrier signal) you could still send/ recieve google voice txts, but you would not recieve any calls since the calls are still routed through your carrier since GV is not a voip service, just a VERY fancy (and useful) call forwarder.
[Nexus One General] Paul22000:
Looks like there's some confusion as to what Google Voice is versus what Gmail Calling is.

Google Voice is absolutely nothing but a call forwarding service. The instant that the call connects (ie you the other person's phone ringing), you are 100% using your cell phone carrier's signal and 0 data. Zero. None. Zilch. No VOIP whatsoever. Google Voice simply connects you to the other person, that's it. You're still using your cell phone's minutes.

The only data is the initial 3 seconds between the instant you hit Call and the instant the other person's phone starts ringing. It uses data to connect the call through Google Voice's servers. So sure, that 3 seconds before the call connects can use 3G or Wifi.

Gmail Calling on the other hand, is 100% VOIP. You call through your PC, using your DSL connection, Cable, Satellite, Starbucks Wifi, 56K modem, etc. 100% data. It uses 0 cell phone minutes, because obviously your PC has no idea what cell phone carrier you have, or if you even have a phone at all.

Google Voice and Gmail Calling = two completely different products.

Now, my question is:

How do we get Gmail Calling (VOIP) on the Nexus One? :cool:
[Nexus One General] Blueman101:
Good explanation, I cant imagine why it is taking google so long to get VOIP going, Gizmo5 had it all up and working it should only be minor changes. This leads me to believe there is something more going on like the carriers would revolt against google if every android phone only needed a data plan. Honestly the entire carrier industry would be turned on its head if google goes VOIP.
[Nexus One General] bigmout:
Make it happen, Google!

BTW, I think we now know why Verizon negotiated that deal with Google.
[Nexus One General] Blueman101:
That may be part of it, but I cant imagine the FCC EVER allowing that deal to go through. Have you even read it?! Its totally BS. The FCC has to have some line drawn in the sand that says "this point an no farther". There needs to be a shift in the way the internet is treated.
[Nexus One General] Paul22000:
Good!

Google tried to turn the industry on its head with releasing an unlocked N1 on all four carriers and selling online. It didn't pan out like they hoped because of Verizon and Sprint pulling out. So maybe this is Google getting its revenge? >:D

Muwhahaha. Gmail Calling on Android is inevitable. The only question is who does it first: Google or XDA? :D
[Nexus One General] Blueman101:
true, i totally agree it would be a good thing for users (for a little while) then the carriers would have a ****-fit and up the price up data only plans so high. But unlike Apple, google is trying to make nice with the carriers and that is why we havent seen voip yet, however i do believe it is only a matter of time. If GV does not go VOIP then another option will com along and GV will have missed a great opportunity.
[Nexus One General] jkang29:
I have been very disappointed with skype for making that lame deal with verizon so that no other android phones get skype. I wish google can do better and do something truly different. There is no reason why there should be separate voice, text, or data plan. Whether those big telcos like it or not, the change is coming.
[Nexus One General] :
Android isn't ubiquitous enough yet to piss off cell phone carries.

With proper VOIP, people will not need to buy minutes anymore.
[Nexus One General] Blueman101:
I dissagree, besides BBerries (which honestly i concider in a different category), Android is the ONLY smartphone still popular that is on all carriers and not an iCrap.

Right about the VOip, thats why it will turn the Cell industry upside down.
[Nexus One General] blablum:
Guys, I've been using real google voice wifi voip according to the setup given in this tutorial:

http://gurnted.wordpress.com/guides/updated-guide-from-xda/

It's complicated to setup, but after its done it is great. Almost all my calls are over voip with wifi. I only use gsm in the rare moments no wifi is available. Phone battery will take a bit of a hit if you run it continuously.

I agree it would be great if google voice on android were a true voip client, but until then I'm happy with the above.

(Note: I'm using CSipSimple instead of Sipdroid, works better for me)
[Nexus One General] Paul22000:
I'm confused about this guide. What app do you use on your phone to make calls? And how do incoming calls work?
[Nexus One General] caysman:
can someone please tell me why i can't load up gmail on a browser in desktop mode on my N1 and make a call?
[Nexus One General] Jack_R1:
Because you need an application installed, that interfaces through the browser, and such an application isn't there for Android (yet), and if it will be - you won't need to open your browser anymore.
[Nexus One General] blablum:
You need to install a sip software. The guide suggests Sipdroid, I prefer CSipSimple because Sipdroid is incompatible with 'Wifi Fixer', which is a must in order to keep wifi active on my N1.

CSipSimple sort of integrates with the phone. Every time I make a call (through the normal dialer or contacts app) if wifi is available I get a pop-up asking me whether it should be a sip or gsm call. If you select sip CSipSimple takes over and makes the call.

For incoming it is more complicated. Since I want my phone to always ring whether I'm on wifi or not, I need to add 2 numbers to google voice: the gsm one and sipgate (which was created in the tutorial and it is the number that will ring CSipSimple (dont worry about it being a different number, if you set up things correctly your google voice number is the one that will show on caller id)). That means that when I get a call, both CsipSimple and the normal ringer activate, but as soon as I pick one up the other goes away.

In practice not all incoming voip calls make it in time, but I'd say over 50% do, which is still great, since calls are free on almost 100% of outgoing calls plus a good fraction of incoming calls. Since I'm on prepay, I end up saving a pretty penny.

This is the thread I found the tutorial at:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=548405
[Nexus One General] Paul22000:
Thanks, that makes sense.

How is call quality? Have people on the other end of the call been able to tell you're using VOIP? Any comments on call quality from them?

I may attempt this method, but to be honest, that guide makes my head explode :eek: Hopefully the new Gmail Call makes getting VOIP on Android easier...
[Nexus One General] blablum:
Most of the time quality is good, basically like any phone call (with wifi, never tried it with 3g). Sometimes there is a bit of a delay, specially for calls to foreign countries, but even then sound quality was good. The best thing about it is that you are not committed to anything, you can choose gsm or sip for every call, so for important calls you could stick to gsm to ensure quality, and use sip for everything else.

If you are interested I'd say go for it, it took me a few hours to get everything setup correctly but I think it was worth it.
[Nexus One General] mhamedbj:
Hi every body ,

now that the 2.3 support native VOIP, dose any body knows how to configure it to get GMail call unsable with android

thks