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[Epic 4G General] ickwonder:
maybe there is hope

Multimedia

The Epic 4G is an excellent media phone—better than the EVO. Why, you say, when the EVO has a bigger screen? It's all about codecs. The Epic 4G plays an unusually wide array of video files, including XVID, DIVX, and H.264 with AAC audio, including many files in 720p HD format. That means fewer videos will require re-encoding compared to other phones. Video looks sharp and plays clearly on the screen, including over Bluetooth stereo headphones.

While there's no HDMI out to play video on a TV, Samsung said they'll sell an analog TV-out cable (but didn't give me any further details.)

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2367811,00.asp
[Epic 4G General] gophergun:
Just on the topic of rethinking the phone, I went to play with a dummy model today at a Best Buy Mobile, just to get a feel for it, and I'm honestly not thrilled with the keyboard. It's very flat, there's not much discernible space between the keys, and the fact that there's only one Shift and Fn button (both on the left) is a bit of a bigger problem than I expected, coming from a G1. I really hope it's the kind of thing I'll get used to, but it's worrying for me.
[Epic 4G General] Eazail70x7:
The Moment also only has 1 shift and 1 fn key and it hasn't bothered me at all :)
[Epic 4G General] shep211:
After seeing this video I got a 3.5 mm to rca a\v cable and tested video play back & some games with with my captivate. It works great. Its a really cool feature. Its nice to use the phone as wii remote and not have to look at the phone screen while playing. I will test this first thing tues am and let you know if it works on the epic. Just so you know you need to switch the red and white cables for the video to work.
[Epic 4G General] shep211:
You really dont want to use the 3.5 mm jack to play movies. Its only 480i. It will work but micro hdmi is a much better solution for pics and movies. Then use the 3.5 mm jack for games and UI since the hdmi does not support that. The micro hdmi cable for the captivate is not released from samsung yet. Im not sure if any micro hdmi cable will work. I am going to just order one from amazon so I can test to see if it works on my captivate and then see if the epic has the micro hdmi feature.
[Epic 4G General] b15love:
apparently the Epic 4g doesnt support any video out.

http://androidandme.com/2010/08/news/sprint-epic-4g-qa-part-1/

one comment stated said that prob the cable needs to be plugged into for the feature to show..?
[Epic 4G General] shep211:
I dont have to have a cable plugged in for my captivate to show the tv out settings.
[Epic 4G General] sling:
No video out feature & stripped down Touchwiz.

Thanks Samsung its my dream phone lol

I will pic up pre-order Tuesday use it a few days then exchange for EVO
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
Wait this is what turns you guys off?! You get DLNA, a QWERTY keyboard, and flash....but your complaining about no TV out?? I mean seriously, how often would you even use it? Maybe once or twice to show off to your friends? Big whoop. When the "movie Store" comes out for the Epic and you can use the DLNA, you will be happier you did get the phone then if you get the Evo instead.

- As for the timely updates. Did you not notice the Froyo came out for the Evo like 2 weeks after their 2.1 update?
[Epic 4G General] gophergun:
I hope it won't for me either. I just worry that typing things like @ or a capital A is gonna be a huge pain.

HTC is much better than Samsung nowadays when it comes to updating their UI for new Android versions.
[Epic 4G General] sling:
When it comes to how many times I would use such feature maybe 10 - 15 times a year - Holidays , Birthday party's & some here and there for different reasons.

The key is freedom to do so and Samsung took feature out of the most advanced phone in Galaxy line up yes Wifi DLNA is cool but not for many.

Post 38 & 39 cover that.

keyboard , flash and Front cam are a postive.

Lack of Video out capability & stripped down bare bone touchwiz is a negative.

The negatives out weigh the positives for me.

I will do the pre-order test drive but really don't see myself keeping it. Only thing EVO really lacks compered to it is better LCD and Keyboard.

Thers a DLNA type of app that can be used on EVO & great custom roms that increase FPS and speed performance = to Epic
[Epic 4G General] JUST2SUAVE:
PLEASE, htc cant even get enuff parts to make evos and supply sprint.
[Epic 4G General] sling:
I think his point is that when he gets a EVO he doesn't have to worry about lack of updates device will be supported not forgot.

Samsung is update blind buy are stuff see you around
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
Lmao, Epic blow away the Evo in FPS and speed. The custom roms and OC'ing havent even started for the Epic and it already has 55 FPS compared to Evo's 25 FPS. And you why it's FPS is lower? Because of the HDMI output.

And again, Evo is the first phone with the HDMI output, so every phone before never had it. Now you have to have it? I mean DLNA make more sense then have a cable and plugging it into your TV.

As well you are complaing about a stripped down TouchWiz, yet you compare the Custom roms of the Evo to the stock rom of the Epic. I guess you werent planning on using a custom rom on the epic then?

^^^^ Major +1 for me right there...
[Epic 4G General] hydralisk:
Really? Load up the rom that boosts the evo enough to score 56 FPS in neocore, 40-50 FPS in nenamark1. The Evo is great, but will never match the speed of an Epic.

Froyo? For EVO? Let's see. I bought my EVO at the beginning of June and it had android 2.1 on it. HTC officially released Froyo for the EVO on August 3rd.

2 months != 2 weeks.
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
I guess you didn't notice the Wireless N and security fix they release for the Evo 2 weeks before the Froyo release
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
Also you forgot about the 16 gb SD card. Major +1
[Epic 4G General] sling:
EVO fps cap fix is contained in my signature.

My EVO was rocking 55 fps with it

You failed to read post 38 & 39

This is no +1 competition between us.

Your DLNA jump for joy yet 75% + that will own this phone wont use it because they don't have hardware - DLNA server to TV etc.

This was covered in post 38 & 39

hehe And I was planing on using hack rom on Epic ya Touchwiz mod could be put in place...heck Laucher Pro would give Sense experiences.

unfortunately rom wont fix TV out seeing samsung used different Jack.

And It P me off that Samsung ripped Epic out of important features that are contained in Galaxy lineup
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
Okay, I have developers who are telling me right now the potential for the Epic is 100 fps, and 2.0 GHZ overclock. That is their main goal when the device comes out. So is the Evo coming anywhere near that? Also you have to have a HD tv and you have to buy the $30 cable for the Evo.

Anyways, I'm a mainstream developer for WM and soon to be for the Epic. And my main goal will be working on the kernel to push it up to 2.0 GHZ and get somewhere near 100 FPS, which could easily be accomplished.

You are ignoring the fact that TouchWiz is a waste of memory and space just like HTC Sense. It's a nice feature for novice users, but it is not what is best for the people who want the most out of their phone. They didn't use a jack at all. It will use the Micro charging output for it's TV out
[Epic 4G General] sling:
100 fps hmm I will believe it when I see it.

Putting full Touchwiz wouldn't eat up to much memory...heck 2.2 apps to memory card dismiss your reasoning.

Yes I agree Micro port to HDMI would be the call but EPIC doesn't have it so the only way to sync is DLNA which ive already went over explaing negatives
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
I understand, more people have a HD tv and the $30 cable is no big deal to some. But still...the Epic has the possibility to do TV Out, and when I said Memory, I meant RAM not ROM. Sorry for the confusion
[Epic 4G General] sling:
At any point there was no reason to Short touchwiz

If TV outs possible im sure it will be made known with 15 days of release which will be major deciding factor for me- keep or ditch.

As it looks now I don't see feature possible
[Epic 4G General] ben7337:
$30 cable? Try $7-$12

http://www.monoprice.com/products/p...=10253&cs_id=1025301&p_id=7327&seq=1&format=2

Also as much as i hate to say it, very very few hdtv's have dlna. I know mine doesn't, and even a bunch of really high end ones seem to be lacking it. I would much rather have a $10 or so cable than need to buy a $1000+ tv just to put my phone's video on my tv. Thankfully i prefer to use my laptop to put stuff on my hdtv though. It works very well.

Have fun getting the phone to 2.0 ghz and those scores on nenamark1. I bet it could do that if the evo really can get 40-50 in nenamark1, and 2.0 ghz sounds viable for the phone, though definitely on the high end of the spectrum.
[Epic 4G General] Whosdaman:
I meant for the HDMI output you need a TV. the DLNA server is either a PC or PS3....

But yeah, 2 GHZ is not out of the question at all. And 100 FPS might be pushing it...but then again....Bill Gates said you wouldn't ever need more then 64 kb to run a computer
[Epic 4G General] Eazail70x7:
Where did you find out that Samsung used a different Jack??
[Epic 4G General] spongaweb:
The main thing is will I be able to output my Slingplayer feed to the TV?
[Epic 4G General] sling:
This thread Post 11.

link that was contained in post

http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id=45&c=all_samsung_galaxy_s_variants
[Epic 4G General] kaotikevo:
I posted that, but to be honest, I have my doubts about the validity of the information provided on that site. It claims the Fascinate has a secondary camera, no LED flash, and it claims that the Fascinate runs on HSDPA 7.2. Also states the Epic 4G has TouchWiz 3.0, so I take the info on that site with a grain of salt. I'll wait to run some tests on the hardware myself when I get my hands on the phone so confirm whether or not it supports TV out from the 3.5mm jack.

I'm hopeful that the Epic 4G does indeed support TV-out. In the Epic 4G dump there are actually TV-out files in the lib and bin folders, and I even see HDMI files. So it's possible the ability is there
[Epic 4G General] sling:
Ya all TV out files are in tact which really doesn't mean to much.Lots of device rom have files that don't interact with hardware

The Jack bugs me how they have it listed though, Then add samsung telling reviewer that jack doesn't push video.

Hmm it doesn't look good.

Im looking forward to your findings
[Epic 4G General] kaotikevo:
Where did Samsung tell a reviewer that the jack doesn't push video?
[Epic 4G General] sling:
"Sprint Epic question & answers" Check out video at

http://androidandme.com/2010/08/news/sprint-epic-4g-qa-part-1/
[Epic 4G General] xenx:
That is merely a reviewer pointing out the feature appears to be missing after an update.

That is not an official statement from Samsung, or Sprint. The removal of the feature doesn't preclude the addition of the feature again after release. It also doesn't rule out the possibility of the setting only appearing when applicable.

I'm not saying the 3.5mm tv-out will work, just that there isn't a definitive answer.
[Epic 4G General] Fixter:
I'm laughing so hard at this thread. Which is completely based on speculations. xD
[Epic 4G General] orateam:
This is just one of many reasons why i've just chosen to not get the EPIC. I have one pre-ordered, but will be cancelling it today.

On my Captivate, i used the video out alot. Not at home, but when i travel and in hotels, in my car on trips with the family to the AUX of the car, and for presentations.

I also think the keyboard is worthless with swype being faster. And not having 2 gigs of ROM is the KILLER. That extra Gig is what seperates the EPIC from every other Galaxy S. It will ensure that the EPIC is the slowest of the Galaxy S series. No speed I/O hack will ever work properly on this phone until they release a 2 GIG ROM version.

I still love the Galaxy S, but will be getting the Fascinate next week. Ultimately, between having hotspot, Rear facing Flash, 2 Gigs ROM, and no worthless keyboard, not to mention the nations best network, made this a difficult but now easy decision.

For someone like me who can't make up their minds because i look at every detail, i'm at peace with this one.
[Epic 4G General] robl45:
serously, nations best network based on what? voice? data is a joke on verizon, you are on 3G when everyone is moving to 4G. you can't do voice and data simultaneously and you pay through nose.
[Epic 4G General] kaotikevo:
I don't think the ROM is a big issue, seeing as how Samsung fixed the lag and stall issues on the Epic 4G, making it the fastest Galaxy S phone out of the box. Quadrant scores don't mean anything. The program has a bug in the I/O portion of it as Cyanogen has proven. Just look at any video on Youtube and you'll see for yourself how the Epic 4G flies, and how responsive it is in comparison to it's brothers.

I won't be getting the Epic 4G though, for one of the reasons you stated. The lack of video out from the 3.5mm jack and micro usb to hdmi is a big deal for me. That was one of the features I was really looking forward to. I don't mind a half ass TouchWiz, cause all the features missing can be gained by using a different launcher, but missing hardware features is a big deal, cause it's irrepairable. Samsung and Sprint really screwed up my dream phone, and for that I won't be giving them my money. Now if it happens to just be a software crippling, and tv-out is added in future updates, I might consider buying it again. For now I'll look forward to the Adreno 205 packing T-mobile G2 with faster speeds and stock Froyo out of the box.
[Epic 4G General] orateam:
From the article about adreno 205.

Adreno 205 features:

Hardware-accelerated SVG and Adobe Flash®

Significant improvements in shader performance over Adreno 200 GPU

Streaming textures that can combine video, camera, SVG and other image surfaces with 3D graphics

Based on the early benchmark results, Adreno 205 is expected to be about four times faster than Adreno 200. Samsung's Hummingbird with PowerVR SGX540 is expected to beat Adreno 205 by a small margin, however.

I still like the Galaxy S, but EPIC = EPIC fail for me. Dropped a HUGE ball for me on the video out. I'm sure it's not a biggie for most. And i'm still very concerned about the 1 GIG of ROM. Many here want to believe its no big deal. I think it may or may not be, but to blindingly run out and grab the one Galaxy S phone that is different from all the others in terms of internally USED fast ROM available, is a mistake. If by September 8th the ROM issue is put to bed, i see no reason for those that can live without the TV out and the large size and weight issues, shouldn't go grab the EPIC.
[Epic 4G General] kaotikevo:
Yeah, I'm aware the Adreno 205 isn't as powerful as the PowerVR SGX540, but to be honest, there aren't any Android apps taking advantage of even the SGX530, or even Adreno 200, so the Adreno 205 should be good enough for now. The faster speed I was refering to was the HSPA+ network T-mobile is setting up.

I agree with you on Samsung and Sprint completely botching the phone on removing a very key aspect of the MULTIMEDIA capable family of phones known as the Galaxy S. TV-out omission essentially should make the phone cheaper, but that isn't even the case. Sprint wants to rip us off on a nerfed device. A cheap plastic keyboard, lower quality camera, and 1 cent flash isn't worth a $50-$249.98 price increase over the other Galaxy S phones. Sprint Epically failed on this one.
[Epic 4G General] xenx:
The only thing affected by the 1 gig of ROM is the number of apps you can store internally. How'd that work out for the Evo crowd? They have the same amount of storage.

Once we get 2.2, we can store on the SD card. That MIGHT slow down loading times, but I doubt it'll be anything significant.
[Epic 4G General] kaotikevo:
If indeed the Epic 4G suffers from the same lag as the other Galaxy S phones i.e. taking 30 seconds to get to the homescreen after pressing the home key from an app, then those that own Epics are screwed, since there won't be enough space to rewrite the file system from rfs to ext2/3/4, seeing as it requires 1.5 GB of space. So there will be much more than just the amount of apps one can store being affected. However, there is good news. On the FileSystem benchmark Epic seems to do well, and it also runs much snazzier than it's brothers. But that could be due to the cache not being as loaded on the reviews we've seen so far. Who knows what can happen with longer usage, once you have have a good number of apps installed. If it does happen over time, unfortunately there may never be a fix. So approach this phone cautiously.
[Epic 4G General] xenx:
Its one thing to be skeptical about it, another to bash them for it. You don't know that its been removed. There has been a lot of talk, but no official word.

First, the price difference is $50. Any additional different in price isn't based on carrier sales, which isn't a valid way to compare Sprint's pricing decision. I don't necessarily think that the extra $50 was a great choice, but not terrible. For one, the camera is lower quality compared to what? 8mp cameras? other galaxy S? Cause its the same camera as other GS phones.

The flash, I'll give you that. But, they did add it. It probably cost more to redesign the internals to fit it in. Your opinion of the keyboard is just that, no use arguing over that. To each their own.

You left out the 4g. Yet another bonus for it compared to its brethren.

All in all, you may not prefer some of the changes. Thats fine. But, that doesn't make the phone a fail. It might not be what you want, but it sure as hell appears to be what a lot of people want. The masses determine this phone is definitely not a fail.
[Epic 4G General] xenx:
All reviews point to there not being lag. Also, from what I've read, the lag issue in the other phones was due to internal memory. Because the Epic uses NAND, for its internal memory it shouldn't be subject to the same problem. And as you mentioned, doesn't appear to be.
[Epic 4G General] kaotikevo:
It's not necessarily a bad phone by any stretch, I may be nitpicking here, but it is indeed disappointing to see it stripped of some basic features it's brothers have. I believe it's going to be an excellent device if free of lag, as I expect it to be.

As for the camera, to me it seems as if they used cheaper components than it's brethren based on comparisons I've seen of Epic pictures and videos to photos and videos produced by it's siblings. That's also a bit disheartening
[Epic 4G General] kaotikevo:
Actually, IIRC, the other Galaxy S phones use NAND memory internally. The lag experienced on the I-9000, Captivate, and Vibrant have more to do with the file system used. RFS isn't native to Android, I believe. It may also be due to buggy software, which could explain why Sprint and Samsung went with an older stripped down version of TouchWiz for the Epic 4G. It was probably done to improve performance. One of the key culprits in bogging down the other Galaxy S phones is missing on the Epic coincidentally. That's the media player
[Epic 4G General] shep211:
Samsung created a lag fix for the epic. Im sure its not as good as the ext2 2 gig internal lag fix that the others have but it works. I will test epic lag fix vs captivate lag fix Tuesday am.
[Epic 4G General] xenx:
I stand corrected on the internal memory type.

As for the rest, who knows. I'm sure it might be part of it. I know they had to make changes to support landscape as well.

Either way, I'll be happy with it. For me, the pros outweigh the cons.
[Epic 4G General] hydralisk:
Please use videos and NON quadrant. We all know the quadrant scores come from the I/O section of the benchmark.

I mean I'll have the phone tomorrow morning too and I'll report my findings as well. Just saying. Quadrant is useless in my mind until they iron out the problems with it.

I also believe the pros of this phone outweigh the cons. I also believe the missing features will find their way back into the phone over time with updates from samsung or the development community.
[Epic 4G General] testacon:
Over on ppcgeeks someone posted a link for the manual of the Epic.

forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=132365

Inside there is no mention of video/tv out with the exception of DLNA support. I guess well know tomorrow for sure but not looking good thus far...
[Epic 4G General] aim1126:
The TV out function was in fact in the phone but got taken out after a software update. I believe sprint asked for it to get taken out because of copyright problems with the sprint tv app. I'm fairly certain we will get the feature back with custom roms
[Epic 4G General] kaotikevo:
Can you please provide any evidence of what you're stating? I'd love to see it.
[Epic 4G General] Pops_G:
http://forum.sdx-developers.com/epi...PHPSESSID=5btq5jq5gqibhr19nfgti2dk05#msg82429

Here is a post of someone with the phone doing the update, then losing the TV out option.
[Epic 4G General] xenx:
I think its already been covered that the feature got pulled. I think he is looking for proof as to the rest of aim1126's claim.
[Epic 4G General] sling:
hmm maybe that update crushed TV out files

The Epic system dump a few days ago has all TV-out files needed so that may be the fix.

I will be able to root up this weekend install dump hopefully that will get job done.

Those that want to play you can find dump at

http://forum.androidcentral.com/showthread.php?p=294273#post294273
[Epic 4G General] aim1126:
I was told by a friend who works for sprint (no, he's not just a Rep or a manager) honestly I can't confirm anything so just take it with a grain of salt just like I am lol. I just hope we'll be able to get TV out through customs roms.
[Epic 4G General] itsmebryan:
I read that DLNA works with PS3 so you can still have you TV out. So why is that a problem?
[Epic 4G General] sling:
Your question has been covered more then a few times in this thread lol
[Epic 4G General] hydralisk:
Yeeaaaah. Listen. DLNA only works with CERTAIN video apps and image gallery slideshows. The other Galaxy S models can show ANY app with their TV out. The TV reflects their screen. So you can be playing around with the home screens or playing a game. Mostly the people that want TV out probably want to put their games up on their TV. Can't do that with DLNA.

The Epic really needs to get this feature back in.
[Epic 4G General] kaotikevo:
Looks like I found some more bad news on the TV-out function. http://forum.androidcentral.com/spr...-crap-installed-apps-quicker-than-my-evo.html

In the 8th reply the OP posted that he hasn't performed an update on his handset yet and tv-out is nowhere to be seen. That discredits the claim that tv-out was there before an update. Unless his phone already came preloaded with the update, which I doubt, it seems as if the tv-out function was never there. That really sucks. I hope it's not a hardware disability though. Hopefully we can get this feature through a custom ROM.
[Epic 4G General] orateam:
This whole topic takes me back. These kinds of issues always seem to occur and cost customers of network carriers. This happened with pocketPC with various 'missing' hardware, especially GPS, over the years. Similar things happened with the Palm Treo and most notably the U.S. based Nokia smartphones. Each suffered a bad fate due to stupid decisions to leave out what they deemed unnecessary hardware. When will carriers learn to just include the hardware and charge up. I thought the $250 price tag had to mean that Sprint would leave every possible thing on board.
[Epic 4G General] shep211:
Confirmed with my epic that it does not support tv out through 3.5 mm jack :( gps does not look loke its fixed but i need to do more testing. I will post full review of the epic vs captivate soon.