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[Epic 4G General] Jed Dignazio:
Heres a few early reviews stating there is a tv out via 3.5mm jack. Early on there were alot of specs released that included the tv-out functions, so that is why everbody has felt mislead.

Check it out.

http://www.intomobile.com/2010/09/0...pro-do-more-features-make-for-a-better-phone/

Even though its under the bad section because they would rather have the hdmi output, its still a feature listed.

* Battery life could be better

* MicroSD under the battery

* Video-out via 3.5mm headphone jack

* No simultaneous voice and data in 3G-only areas

* Big for small hands and tight pockets

* Capacitive touch navigation buttons aren’t always responsive

* Slider mechanism isn’t as solid as we’d like

Sprint Samsung Epic 4G first impressions shows it can't beat the EVO 4G

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You can't use hdmi cables with the EVO without an adapter either. Epic also will have 3.5mm to composite out, working with older TVs.

And from Android spin:

http://androidspin.com/2010/07/21/the-samsung-epic-4g-vs-the-htc-evo-4g/

HDMI out:

* The HTC Evo 4G offers a micro HDMI port that is capable of outputting HD media to your HDTV or projector. The Evo can display anything on the device (including movies) to the TV or projector (HDMI cable not included). The Samsung Epic 4G does not have an HDMI port; the Epic is still able to do video-out via its 3.5mm jack (cable not included) and unfortunately the Epic does not provide HD-out capabilities.

Just sayin, it was in most of the early specs, and is why everybody was misled.
[Epic 4G General] churro7:
Clearly someone misread or misunderstood but i have to say i knew what this phone could do long before it came out

sent from my epic 4g with no 4g
[Epic 4G General] m5james:
Thanks for helping make my point. While these aren't the same articles I read, the point is that for a while this kind of information was al over the place, and in particlar how edach phone differentiated in how it put out video signal...only to have the Epic not be able to do it at all.
[Epic 4G General] m5james:
Clearly the information was IN FACT put out there and it spread around all over the Internet. I accept your apologies after you (and others) insisted on arguing with me by saying that it wasn't ever published as to having the TV-Out feature. I know what I was told and read. Clearly someone was WRONG in the industry who put it out there, but that does take away from the fact that its what people were initially being told.

You knew long before it came out, ehh....you want a cookie?
[Epic 4G General] churro7:
id love a cookie but i didnt apologize since theres no reason

so a few references by one or two relatively minor sites constitutes widespread?
[Epic 4G General] m5james:
I know you won't admit that your wrong, and I figured you'd try to save face by finding some excuse to rationalize your logic. At the end of the day, regardless of the amount of resources linked or not, you were still wrong as it was in fact advertised while you and others tried to argue saying that it wasn't. No cookie for any of you.

One or two relatively minor sites...that haven't changed their information. That doesn't account for the countless other sites that I've read that did say it'd have this feature. As I said, I didn't read it from those sites listed above, but the point is the information was out there. Myself and many others got the same info, hence the ENTIRE topic of this whole thread...complaints with the Epic. Clearly I'm not the only one who was misled and was told that this phone would have certain features that it inevitably didn't. There wouldn't be whole topics dedicated to this feature, created by myself and other, if I was the ONLY one who was disappointed by this.

Don't get me wrong, I'm FAR happier with my Epic over the POS Moment, but at the same time, I'd like it that if I payed for something as advertised that it in fact came with those features. If I had bought my 7 series via advertisements saying it was came standard with a V8 (in the US) but then opened the hood and only saw an I6, I'd be pissed. Sure, it'll still get me down the road, but not the way that I expected it to when I paid for it. This phone is the same thing. Sure, it makes calls, but it doesn't do all the things I expected it to when I paid for it. You see my point?

If you're looking for a thread to taught all the great features of the Epic, saying it's exactly what you expected, etc. then you're on the wrong thread. Go create your own thread about how much you love the Epic and I'll come there and express my hapiness with it as well.
[Epic 4G General] churro7:
lol and that would be?

can i have my cookie now
[Epic 4G General] churro7:
it seems like its you are using any excuse to validate your arguement
[Epic 4G General] m5james:
I don't understand either of your replies.

Are you really LOL'ing...that is the stupidest and most overly used acronym. What would what be?

No, you cannot have your cookie.

What excuses am I making. Your whole arguement with me is that it was never advertised (regardless of how many sources remain) and it's been shown that it in fact was. I've been trying to tell you since day one that it was in fact advertised, and you're best arguement back (instead of accepting that it was in fact advertised as such) that there are limited and/or small type sites states this? What part of the fact that websites can be changed and edited do you not understand? Just because a few irrelevant sites remain stating incorrect info to this day has absolutely nothing to do with how many sites did in fact have that information posted at the time when I was shopping for this phone.

Once again...your arguement was that it was never advertised. It's been posted here that it has, so your simply wrong. Whatever insider information you had is irrelevant unless your working for one of these internet rags posting this information, because at that time, potential customers were being told that it had this feature...so who really cares what little ol' you knew as you had no outlet to express it. In the end you were potentially right, but that still doesn't take away from the fact of what was advertised to hundreds, thousands, whatever of people who may have read the articles beforehand. Are you really arrogant that you can't admit that you've been proven wrong? Links (some of the few that are left) are posted above, so your arguements beyond that are moot. It WAS advertised, end of story.
[Epic 4G General] othan1:
This is one of the top sites for cell phone reviews and is highly respected in the community. They did not update after release. Note #15:

"15. So I’m dying to know, does the EPIC actually do any kind of video out? [Link]

Yes, via the headphone jack. Only RCA-out though. No HDMI for you! If you have a DLNA enabled device you can output wirelessly to that device that way. Edit: a micro-USB to HMDI cable may get you wired HDMI after all. Waiting for confirmation from Samsung…"

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/08/18/your-epic-4g-questions-answered/

There were many of these articles but most have updated to remove their 3.5 video out comments.

m5james is correct and it was one of the reasons I went with this device.
[Epic 4G General] itsmebryan:
So you guys are saying you never read all of the threads before the phone came out that said the epic wouldn't have tv-out?
[Epic 4G General] othan1:
Mind leaving the goal post alone? I'm tired of chasing it.
[Epic 4G General] churro7:
you promised me a cookie and yes if you read it correctly i did lol, lol

IF they were edited to remove those references it would be logical to think it was done because they mentioned it out of speculation otherwise no reason to edit them

insider info? if i were so lucky haha

and proven wrong about?????????

still waiting on that cookie

but trying to return to thread there are many phones to choose from using a forum to vent buyers remorse is just not gravy!
[Epic 4G General] ZenInsight:
He's asking for a cookie!! Lol. Don't feed the trolls!

I'm with you all the way bud. I want tv out via RCA too!!
[Epic 4G General] Jed Dignazio:
Ok the fact of the matter is that obviously alot of people were led to believe that all Galaxy S devices were capable of this feature. Even all Samsung employees I have talked to were puzzled that the feature was not there. Even one woman I talked to at Samsung support had a Sprint epic device in her own hands and Indeed the option was there for tv-out in the settings, so really at this point were just looking for the way to re-enable this feature because I really believe the hardware is present.

The fact that Samsung kept telling me the feature is available on the Epic was the reason I got the device. I thought Samsung would know if anybody would.

So stop arguing and lets figure out how to enable it already!!!:mad:
[Epic 4G General] ZenInsight:
YES!! I luvs you.
[Epic 4G General] othan1:
But you didn't read all the independent message boards the hour before it was available so your argument is moot!!!!!111!!!!111 :p

Sorry, couldn't resist. I had the same experience you described.

I don't see any devs caring about this feature right now, though. I think everyone's waiting to see what 2.2 brings because there has been speculation that with 2.2 brings TW 3.0 which is the reason people are able to do TV Out in the first place.

I'm okay with that, really, so I'm trying to be patient. But waiting for that and reading about 3.0 being released this month before we even have 2.2 is making it hard for me.
[Epic 4G General] ZenInsight:
I jusr read this at another site. Did sprint actually remove this feature.

"pic a another update from corrupt aholes like sprint and samsung.First they advertise the phone with 512mb ram and 1gb rom and advertise the phone ad having the tv out function 1gb rom and advertise the phone ad having the tv out function from the 3.5mm head phone jack.The phone only comes with 512mb rom and only 340mb of ram they used a chunk of ram to fix the lag problem.And they removed the video out function via a software update(a function we paid for).Wether they did it because of sprint tv or they were worried about excessive bandwidth use,they still didn’t have a right too.And this update bandwidth use,they still didn’t have a right too.And this update takes your ability to download or run the tv.com app from the market place,an app that gives you full free episodes to watch.Could it be because they want to force sprint tv down your throat so you have to buy their channels.Or could it be so you have to buy episodes from samsungs new app (media hub) or could it be both.You be the judge.From my point of view, both companys have corrupt aholes in charge and I wish people would get together and file a class action lawsuit against them. Another example of sprints corruption is when them and htc would not let evo owners return or exchange their phone due to screen seperation.Claiming that its only cosmetic and not a screen seperation.Claiming that its only cosmetic and not a problem.Ya well it becomes a problem in a few months when it gets so bag that moisture and dirt get in your phone and ruin it.Its not the customers fault that sprint and htc hurried the evo out without having all the bugs worked out.So they could have the first 4g phone on the market.So I recommend not going to sprint unless you absolutely have to.Im stuck with them dont’ maker the same mistake I did.Thought I was lucky that radio shack let me trade my evo in for an epic but,it turned out to be a whole new bunch of bullshi*. shack let me trade my evo in for an epic but,it turned out to be a whole new bunch of bullshi*"
[Epic 4G General] othan1:
Just read this:

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/sprint-epic-4g/132687-no-tv-out-sprint-epic-2.html

Pertinent post:

"Hi, I'm a Sprint employee and Epic owner. Having worked with the Samsung developers a little I can tell you with assurance that the TV Out option was not "disabled" by Sprint's choice. It's a h/w limitation. When you first boot the phone you get an auto update which appears to disable the TV Out option, but I think that's a mandatory because the shipping ROM is universal to domestic carriers from Samsung. The TV Out limitation is due to the CDMA SOC (system on chip), which will be true for the Verizon model coming soon. The Galaxy S devices based on the GSM SOC do have the TV Out option.

DLNA is the only option for displaying multimedia on a remote display, but keep in mind you are limited to self-created content. You can't broadcast YouTube or SprintTV across DLNA as the DRM encryption is not supported on either the Epic or any remote device.

We're glad you're a Sprint customer and hope you remain happy with your Epic! "
[Epic 4G General] Jed Dignazio:
Well Im actually doing some real research and so far I have come to the conclusion that the on board chip in the SPH-D700 which is the Samsung S5PC110 definitely DOES have both Analog and 1080P capabilities. Here is the development kit manual.

http://www.armdesigner.com/xsms/html37/uploadfile/20100707120620748.pdf

Quote:

S5PC110 is a 32-bit RISC cost-effective, low power, and high performance microprocessor solution

for mobile phones and general applications. It integrates the ARM Cortex-A8 core, which implements

the ARM architecture V7-A with supporting peripherals.To provide optimized Hardware (H/W)

performance for the 3G and 3.5G communication services, S5PC110 adopts 64-bit internal bus

architecture. This includes many powerful hardware accelerators for tasks such as motion video

processing, display control, and scaling. Integrated Multi Format Codec (MFC) supports encoding

and decoding of MPEG-1/2/4, H.263, and H.264, and decoding of VC1 and Divx. This hardware

accelerator (MFC) supports real-time video conferencing and Analog TV out, HDMI for NTSC, and

PAL mode. S5PC110 has an interface to external memory that is capable of sustaining heavy memory

bandwidths required in high-end communication services. The memory system has Flash/ ROM

external memory ports for parallel access and DRAM port to meet high bandwidths. DRAM controller

supports LPDDR1 (mobile DDR), DDR2, or LPDDR2. Flash/ ROM port supports NAND Flash,

NOR-Flash, OneNAND, SRAM, and ROM type external memory. To reduce the total system cost and

enhance the overall functionality, S5PC110 includes many hardware peripherals such as TFT 24-bit

true color LCD controller, Camera Interface, MIPI DSI, CSI-2, System Manager for power

management, ATA interface, four UARTs, 24-channel DMA, four Timers, General I/O Ports, three I2S,

S/PDIF, three IIC-BUS interface, two HS-SPI, USB Host 2.0, USB 2.0 OTG operating at high speed

(480Mbps), four SD Host and high-speed Multimedia Card Interface, and four PLLs for clock

generation.

Whether the pins are connected or not is what I am working on.

Just a start, more info coming soon.
[Epic 4G General] m5james:
Jesus christ, that guy needs to worry more about buying a laptop and going back to school than buying a phone so he can watch Judge Judy during the middle of the day!
[Epic 4G General] m5james:
I read this same posting on another forum. Even someone over on XDA said they had a customer come into the store with an Epic and was able to use MicroUSB to HDMI, which is at least halfway closer to what I wish we could do.
[Epic 4G General] m5james:
Even though you made the same post over on SDX, here is the link anyways. There are about 5 open threads on SDX (two linked below) in regards to TV-Out. Between what people have confirmed with the chipsets, finding TV-Out files within the phone itself, one person having a working MicroUSB to HDMI, etc, it sounds like a strong dev and/or 2.2 is going to be a big determining factor here.

http://forum.sdx-developers.com/epic-development/$100-to-find-a-solution-to-tv-out-on-epic-4g-3-5-mm-jack/new/?topicseen#new

http://forum.sdx-developers.com/epic-development/tv-out-project/
[Epic 4G General] splashmktg:
I wouldn't use the HD video out and rarely use Sprint TV. I will try the Youtube to HQ soon. That I do use. I have to say, for what I do on the phone, the EPic is really nice. I thought I would never find a better keyboard than on the TP2 but I type faster now with fewer mistakes. I can't wait for Froyo...
[Epic 4G General] m5james:
I use the TV.com app a lot when I'm not near a TV and wasting time. SprintTV is good for quick episodes from SPEED channel when I'm in the bathroom :) YouTube I've tried finding full TV shows on, but they're so few and far between.

Having Froyo will definately be nice so maybe HULU and other Flash type sites will finally start working, and then it'll be endless from there. Skyfire blocked HULU, I don't know if there is a different version we can use in the meantime, so I don't even use that browser anymore. Other than that, I don't even know good sites to goto for TV shows anyways. I'm not into sports, so those are useless to me.
[Epic 4G General] cjohnny:
Quality issue?

Hi, long time lurker, first post.

Having an annoying problem where the top half (screen portion as oppose to the bottom half with keyboard) of the phone is a bit loose. When you tap on the screen you can feel it rocking back and forth. Exchanged for a new phone and after 2 days, I am having the same issue where the top half of the half is loose. I dont use the keyboard that much mainly virtual keyboard. Is this how everyone's EPIC is or should I try to exchange for a new one as my 30days is almost up. Thanks
[Epic 4G General] NeonMonster:
I think the OPTION of HDMI through MicroUSB is nice. But would I seriously EVER use it? Most likely not.

For recorded video/pictures, I'd show it straight on the phone or upload it to my computer and show it. How many people are gonna show a cellphone video on a large HD television?

Yeah, you can make a gaming set up, with the phone, a tv, and a wii-mote, but would I want to play emulators or games off the Epic on a large screen? Not when you have a PS3 or Xbox360 which blows the Epic out of the water gaming wise.

Sprint TV only over data is a bit of a negative, because it might get in the way of watching at home if the service isn't good, but there is always Hulu and HOPEFULLY Netflicks sometime soon!
[Epic 4G General] hydralisk:
Will you really need a wiimote with the Epic? I guess it remains to be seen. I have no idea how useful the keyboard is for gaming. But some people might like to hook up their phone to a big screen tv and play some good games. I imagine the touch screen controls make your fingers get in the way, but if you have the game on the tv, you wouldnt need to worry about that :D
[Epic 4G General] b15love:
that same website says Verizon's Fascinate has a secondary camera, which it doesnt..
[Epic 4G General] itsmebryan:
I agree with the part about gaming. I have Wii, PS3, and Xbox360 on a 82" 1080p tv with 7.2 THX surround sound and a 32" screen on my PC gaming rig with 5.1 and I can't image a game on the phone that would be better then any of those setups. My phone games are just for when I'm away from home and have nothing to do. Do other phones let you play game games and surf the web through the TV out?
[Epic 4G General] sling:
The Samsung Galaxy S series - Vibrant and Captive.

Epic is in that series yet Samsung took away that valuable feature which is why so many are raising fuss about it
[Epic 4G General] boomerbubba:
You do realize, don't you, that there is no HDMI out on the Captivate and Vibrant? The only TV Out option they offer is the low-resolution analog output via the 3.5 mm jack to an RCA connector.
[Epic 4G General] hydralisk:
Doesn't seem very low resolution to me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epytWcOFpYo. Not mind blowing, but it looks great.
[Epic 4G General] boomerbubba:
Well then, you have low standards and you need to educate yourself about different TV formats. That RCA jack puts out analog NTSC output, 480i. That is old-fashioned low-def TV.
[Epic 4G General] MameJunkie:
Low or not, at least its a option.
[Epic 4G General] kaotikevo:
You do realize that Samsung sells a micro usb to HDMI cable for the Captivate and Vibrant, right?
[Epic 4G General] boomerbubba:
There is good news. Samsung now has announced a micro USB to HDMI cable that is compatilble with the Galaxy S phones. (A slightly different cable that got people excited a couple of weeks ago was not.)

And Samsung's description specifically includes the Epic 4G as a compatible device.

So the hardware on the device should be capable of using the cable.

The bad news is they want $48 bucks for it.
[Epic 4G General] sling:
Thanks for posting!

micro USB to HDMI cable can be found online for 10.00 :)
[Epic 4G General] sling:
hmm it appears that vendor is selling 3.5 mm jack to an RCA connector for epic which isn't good news seeing it wont work.

http://www.daydeal.com/product.php?productid=45332

That leads me to believe their HDMI is useless as well
[Epic 4G General] gamescan:
Why would you want to rely on low quality composite cables (ugh) when you can just stream the raw digital video file over WiFi with AllShare?

Composite cables aren't going to let you get anything over 480i. Again, if you've got a nice HDTV, then why not just direct stream? Who wants to screw with cables when you just want to sit and watch a video?
[Epic 4G General] kaotikevo:
FYI, you can't watch what's going on in your phone's screen 1:1 via DLNA. You can only view video and picture files I believe. What most of us would like is 1:1 diaplaying of the entire phone on our screens, regardless of the quality.
[Epic 4G General] ben7337:
How do you stream the video over wifi? is DLNA basically some sort of modified wifi signal? I don't know about you, but most tvs don't have dlna, and most people don't have ps3's either. Those are the only 2 ways I know of for sending video to a tv. Luckily anything that's on my phone will be on my laptop so I can easily connect the hdmi cable to my tv and the usb surround sound card, and get DD 5.1 or DTS 5.1 audio on the surround sound system and 1080p video.
[Epic 4G General] xXSecretAgentXx:
Because if you wanna play a game, browse the web or use any of the 70,000+ apps on the big screen, Allshare is useless. Its all about preference. Just because you dont need it dont mean everyone feels the same way...
[Epic 4G General] sling:
In order to direct stream you must have wifi capable TV which I don't....many people don't.

If you were to take a poll on how many buying this device have such TV I'm sure it would be 25% or less.

480i 3.5 mm jack would get the job done for all. Yes the quality isn't kick A but hey its better then nothing.

Wouldn't you agree?
[Epic 4G General] sling:
@gamescan.

Also when at friends & family house you can connect to their TV show pics , videos with no worries if their TV wifi capable.

Just about every TV in 2010 has RCA connection
[Epic 4G General] boomerbubba:
If the new micro USB to HDMI cable works you don't need a WiFi capable TV. You do need an HDMI input, which most any modern HDTV would have.

The caveat is that so far no one has tested and confirmed that the HDMI out actually works on any existing Galaxy platform. The Epic is even more of a question mark, since it is generally not in the wild yet.

It also is unclear how it would work exactly -- would it be a simple copy of whatever is on the phone screen, or would it have to take output from specific apps like the local slideshow or video player. That would be less generally useful. I seldom have a need to show homebrew videos to grandma, but I wouldn't mind couch-potato surfing with the whole-phone display thrown to my HDTV screen or projector.
[Epic 4G General] sling:
+1 I agree.

Epic PDF user manual doesn't show it able to make such connection.
[Epic 4G General] B3NJ4M1N:
it also says the captivate is a centimeter and a half skinnier than the rest of the galaxy s phones