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[Galaxy S I9000 General] gTen:
The model id of the epic is SPH-D700

I also like the idea..though maybe an extra Android Development forum Galaxy S Android Development->"Galaxy S All Devices" for things that work cross platform?

like say the lag fix or the Odin alternative or maybe a cross platform rom (then use thing like [V][C][E] = Vibrant, Captivate, Epic only..or [I9I][I9B][I9M] = i9000 international, i900 brazil, Vibrant Bell)...

maintaining a thread for these general things in all would be a pain...also the example codes I'm giving are a suggestion..for being official we can think of that once the forum is made..

I9 - All I9000 based devices
I9I - Galaxy S GT-I9000 Brazil
I9B - Galaxy S GT-I9000 International
I9M - Galaxy S GT-I9000M Vibrant Bell
I9C - Galaxy S I909 China
E - Galaxy S (model ID pending) Epic 4G
F - Galaxy S (model ID pending) Fascinate
C - Galaxy S SGH-i897 Captivate AT&T
V - Galaxy S SGH-T959 Vibrant T-mobile
MSK - Galaxy S SHW-M110S Korea Anycall
[Galaxy S I9000 General] moSess:
I voted yes. The reasons are obvious.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] AllGamer:
that is the goal

many were suggesting we could use the root Dev sub forum for the cross model ROMs

- - Galaxy S Android Development
[Galaxy S I9000 General] theodork:
I'm also for consolidating the forums. As it is, I've already had to participate in separate threads on the same subject, occasionally linking back to each other. Not very efficient.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] gTen:
Oh I forgot about that..silly me lol..yeah that will work...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] hydralisk:
Problem is... a lot of the thread in the general section for the Epic wouldn't apply to the other phones, as they deal with the different hardware in the Epic.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] gTen:
But most general questions about the epic would be fine overall...usually people will ask questions that pertain to all devices... only difference Epic has is a keyboard and a the 1gb rom...aside from the flash thing...

and thats where the codes I suggested come in as well...

example:

[Q] How do I remap my keyboard? [E]

or

[Q][E] How do I remap my keyboard?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] theodork:
Yes, there will be some topics that will be specific to some of the models, but I think the vast majority of topics will be applicable to the entire phone family. Besides, under the proposed Forum structure, individual forums will still exist for that exact purpose. We just don't need separate sub forums for each phone...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Eazail70x7:
I added in Red where I think additional sub-forums would be useful. I added them in the General section cause I think that there is enough difference between them that warrants possible need for it. What do you think?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] gTen:
Whats gonna happen is those sub-forums will never get to be used :/...

when a person has something to say they generally would target the largest audience possible..not to mention some people may not be aware their device shares similarities and even if they ask a question in the sub forum it will not get the help it would have gotten in 1 general forum.

For development sub forums are needed because if you use something that is not compatible with your device you may risk damaging that device.

Edit: I just looked at the first page of every single Galaxy S phone and did not see even 1 topic that is for the device specifically..most of it are just reposts of the same stuff...(aside from the Epic forum because everyone is talking about the release day and stuff)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] theodork:
Yes I agree, I think we should just have one large "Galaxy S General" forum, it is general after all right? I think all those extra forums would do is encourage more fragmentation (bad). There may be some topics that are device specific that might go in this forum, but its easy enough to make this obvious in topic subject lines.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] AllGamer:
exactly

in General it's not as critical as Development

That's why instead of having many Sub General forums, it makes more sense to have only 1 General

it'll be much more organized in the long run

most topic in General applies to all other models

as long as people include the phone model some where in the topic subject or body, then people will know what it is about, and you will see even people using other models will chime in, because most of the situation, question, issues, solution applies to all

big example the dreaded GPS issue :)

or

Live wall paper

or

3 button recovery mode disabled

or

3G / 2G questions with Euro phone in America (or vice versa)

...

there are tons of example

it's actually harder to think of a topic that will only apply to a single specific model but not the rest.

Of course for that we have the Brazil version, Korea version

That has the Digital TV and we don't

also the missing camera from USA models

yet even on those models, it sparks the interest of people with the other version

and most time like USA models owner has learned that, there are better versions of SGS out there.

if you don't have this Transparency, people will never know what is going out outside of their own model forum
[Galaxy S I9000 General] AllGamer:
i'm sure they wont have time any time soon, after the recent server crash
[Galaxy S I9000 General] nbs11:
Forum software is independent of the sever in that regardless of issues with the server as long as it is up and running the moderators can log in and change whatever they want. Assuming the moderators are separate from the admins they should have time. Unless I am wrong.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] sirphunkee:
The changes we're looking at here require administrative involvement to make happen.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] AllGamer:
i was just thinking about this topic, and you answered

wow! you can read minds :p
[Galaxy S I9000 General] infamouskid:
so when is this change going to happen because as a new user here i found it almost impossible to find the answers i needed for my bell vibrant.

i actually just started my own bell vibrant forum at another site until things get sorted out here.

i believe this place needs the galaxy s merge with sub forums and its sub sets.

it just makes sense since the risks of not doing this will prolly end up being a bunch of bricked devices from the users who get it the hardest the most due to this confusion which are the new users.

another suggestion would be to have a complete apn list of providers known.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Polaris_999:
Hmmm.....your "Bell" Vibrant?.... when your user info displays "Rogers" ??? :D WTF??? :D:D:D

Anyway...we're 19 pages in here now...will someone please just DO IT ALREADY! I spent the last few weeks perusing the T-Mobile Vibrant forums, thinking that was the only one here....and kept saying to myself, heck, I don't have a SGH-T959, I have a GT-I9000M.....does this stuff apply to my phone???? Then, out of curiosity, I browsed away from the T-Mobile forums and found these....

So....come on Mods....make the change!!!

Polaris_999
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Chainfire:
Not everybody agrees this is the action that should be taken, which is why it hasn't happened (yet).
[Galaxy S I9000 General] nbs11:
But the overwhelming majority do. As the forums that really matter (the Dev ones) are separated it makes no difference for the people who don't agree to de-segregate (I propose that is the official term) because they still have it separate, it is just a whole lot easier for everyone else to read all the posts.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] AllGamer:
i've found many developments going on the Vibrant forum that is not happening here, same goes with the Captivate

yet those apps/hacks being developed works for all SGS not just the one where it's happening.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Chainfire:
Hey, don't shoot the messenger. I don't disagree. But I'm not the one making the decision.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ccrows:
Yeah I'm not feeling the whole let's combine all the Galaxies into one until the Samsung Galaxy successor is released...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] nraudigy2:
One big family lol
[Galaxy S I9000 General] mike.sw:
proposal to close this thread if it's never going to happen :D
[Galaxy S I9000 General] mcostabr:
is this!? samsunggalaxysforum.com
[Galaxy S I9000 General] exadeci:
What about some sub-forums in android dev like:

Roms

Lagfixes

Kernels

And maybe some more, because the android dev forum looks like /b/ from 4chan a post takes minutes or even seconds to fall in the abysses and it's kind of hard to look for something in particular.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] dcarr622:
What's the latest word on this--frankly it should have happened 6th months ago.

As it is we already have Captivate owners poking around in I9000 forums and flashing CM etc., why not just have everything together and simplify it for everyone?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] AllGamer:
unsticked

sorry to bring you bad news, but the administration has decided this is not going to happen.

to summarize it all in simple terms... "it'll get too complicated"

so that means we'll have to keep jumping back and forth to check new developments on vibrant, facinate, etc, etc... just to find out what we are missing
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Lukehluke:
It was a good idea but we will have to wait to see the Samsung Galaxy S successor.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] decepticon:
The problem with only one development forum is that not all Galaxy(ies) are alike.

You can't just flash an i9000 FW on a Captivate and vice versa. It will lead to many new users "bricking" their phone and a lot of unnecessary "OMG my Captivate won't boot after flashing JM6" threads.

I do think some consolidation is necessary but the development forums are necessary even though problematic at the same time.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] sigeltek:
I think this will be nice...will make for a bigger/better community.. I personaly only check the Vibrant forums and people are making posts linking to other galaxys forum threads instead of repeating the same questions, might as well merge them all together.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] theodork:
Right, but checkout the proposed forum structure:

- Samsung Galaxy S

- - Galaxy S General

- - Galaxy S Q&A

- - Galaxy S Android Development

- - - Galaxy S GT-I9000 Brazil

- - - Galaxy S GT-I9000 International

- - - Galaxy S GT-I9000M Vibrant Bell

- - - Galaxy S I909 China

- - - Galaxy S (model ID pending) Epic 4G

- - - Galaxy S (model ID pending) Fascinate

- - - Galaxy S SGH-i897 Captivate AT&T

- - - Galaxy S SGH-T959 Vibrant T-mobile

- - - Galaxy S SHW-M110S Korea Anycall

- - Galaxy S Accessories

- - Galaxy S Themes and Apps

We consolidate everything _except_ the android development forums, where its needed, just like you said.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] INeedYourHelp:
Um where did anyone here suggest one development forum?;)

I will be so happy if this goes through. But I doubt it will, in today's world logic is being replaced with stupidity and insanity.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] behrouz:
If someone doesnt read the instructions, the entire community shouldnt be segregated. IMO "OMG my captivate wont boot ect" threads should be automatically locked. Make a sticky with the title "IF YOUR PHONE IS BRICKED" and problem solved, let idiots figure out how to use the search function. Sorry to be tough, but XDA has become completely worthless lately.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] AllGamer:
Thanks for the suggestion

we'll try to fit that in, after all the Mods will be doing all the work.

the most we can do is have it all nice and ready for them to copy and paste when they do the actual merge (amusing they'll do it some day)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] AllGamer:
How about...

How about just "K" for the Korea model?

and I9 for the international which pretty much cover all other models (Australia, NZ, Europe, all other Asia except Korea & China)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] drizek:
I was against having a single forum before, but you've changed my mind.

My only suggestion would be to make a separate accessories forum for the epic 4g.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] AllGamer:
I was sort of thinking about that

only the Cases & back plate covers are not compatible (from what i can think of)

charger, car chargers, bluetooth, battery, screen protector, almost everything else are compatible
[Galaxy S I9000 General] gTen:
Thats ok too...when considering this we probably have to look into the future a bit on what possible models will come out...lets assume if they make a Galaxy S Pro version in Korea..would we go and call it [KP]..or international version we will call it [IP]?

Also some things may work with all I9000 based galaxy devices but not work on the US variants..so if I wanted to list all but CDMA versions i'd do [C][V]

or we can just give away [G] to all GSM versions and keep for the I9000 international if you think that will be easier...so we can reserve all the popular ones to single character.

The main reason I chose single letters for the US versions is cause I know those carriers are so stubborn they won't release more then 1 version even if it kills them..

also [ALL] for all obviously....
[Galaxy S I9000 General] theodork:
Do you guys really think a coding system is necessary? It seems like it adds an unnecessary level of complexity. I'd prefer just a general request in the forum guidelines to include the phone model in question in the subject. aka "vibrant" "epic", "i9000" "bell vibrant" etc...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] gTen:
The coding system is mostly for the development forum...some things that will be put in the forum will be for more then 1 device...rather then making a thread in every single forum you would be able to post in the Android Development forum with these codes...

Example we have a lag fix that only works for those with over 1gb..you dont want write that all in the topic..so instead you put [C][V][F]..thsi way an Epic user will know this isn't for them
[Galaxy S I9000 General] decepticon:
Oops looks like I read the structure wrong. Yea that would be a great idea but I would suggest combining the Bell Galaxy S with the international since the firmware is interchangeable and there is no difference other than the 3G radio.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Kazeari:
Definetely a yes here too, I was talking to my friend earlier but why how difficult it is to search 5 forums for the same thing, if all were merged information will be easier accessable and shared, development may speed up as well.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] gTen:
Out of those 5 that picked "No"..is anyone going to post exactly why they don't want the change?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] mike.sw:
Yes yes yes.

With a slight rule that each OP should post his exact model (and maybe FW but thats another story).
[Galaxy S I9000 General] alovell83:
Good call, I always wanted this, but never felt brave enough to bring it up. Also, with all the questions that get posted in I9000 general like "I bricked my captivate" lol, I think this will clear up some confusion while also make the general community bigger and more cohesive...

I almost feel guilty posting in the I9000 sometimes, but most of our apps and system menus are the same, maybe 95%.

As a somewhat related aside: for the Korean development, I think there might be like 3 posts a week there, lol, but I do see on Korean sites that they often reference XDA and how they got an idea from here and applied it into their development (partition, lag fix, flash method); they've found them in the I9000 general and captivate threads the most, so it might even help people out who aren't regular contributors (I say that knowing that those 2 named development forums will remain separate subcategories in some cases, regardless if something like lagfix gets posted to a general/all I9000 development forum or not).
[Galaxy S I9000 General] AllGamer:
that's why I would like to include the Korean version of SGS here in XDA, to invite the Korean community to share their wits and knowledge here with us. :)

both side can learn from each other.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ShezUK:
A thousand times yes. I hate having to switch between these forums and the vibrant ones constantly.

The fragmentation is going to end up killing off the dev community for the less popular phones, keep them together and there's a greater chance of devs working with one another and keeping all of the handsets alive.

Has a moderator responded to this proposal yet? There's an overwhelming support for the idea, I really do hope they implement it.

+1
[Galaxy S I9000 General] AllGamer:
Yes, moderator have confirmed, they are reviewing the situation, but we need to raise awareness on the rest of the siblings SGS sub forums.

If we can come up with a plan sooner, the less work the Mods will have to do, so then it'll be a simple task for them to re-organize the forums the way we all vote for

that's the purpose of this topic, to get more ideas, and try to make it the best layout possible to make it easy for every body to navigate for information

However I made a request to make this single Topic cross forums, but I've not got any confirmation on this request yet.

It should actually be a sticky on all 5 SGS forums
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Hyperion82:
Yes Please !!!

This is a very good idea
[Galaxy S I9000 General] sturmeh:
I think there should be a common section and a separate section.

Alot of stuff is common, like accessories/themes/apps/games/swype/samsungbloatware/lagfix/gpsfix and some stuff needs to stay separate like new fw for vibrant and roms?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] gTen:
Thats exactly what is happening...the development each has their own sub section within the main development section. And in the main development section use codes to help sort things out if it does or does not work with multiple devices.

so firmware for vibrant only will be in the vibrant development section...while firmware for both captivate and vibrant may end up in the main development section with codes [V][C]
[Galaxy S I9000 General] gr3yh0und:
I'm with these.

It is good to be organized.

Easy to search and develop roms

Share Experience and make the xda community be presentable
[Galaxy S I9000 General] AllGamer:
i like this idea

it's exactly what i had in mind, but slightly better, with the use of Tags "[V][C]" :)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Daemos:
I think one forum would contribute more resources to all the devices.

There were multiple versions of the HTC touch pro and tytn II, although most hardware was the same, there were hardware differences between the International and North American versions. There was only one wm rom cooking forum for each device, and the chefs made the roms work on both versions.

I can't see why the same cannot be done for the Galaxy S varients.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Daemos:
Actually I don't know if XDA's forum software can support this. However, I am on another forum which has multiple sections, and *everything* gets posted into the "main section" however with the fourm automatically generating tags, then when you go to the subsections it automatically filters to the filtered tags you want.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] AllGamer:
i'm quite sure it can, because we are already doing it, just in a slightly different fashion

XDA is hosted on vBulletin

if phpBBS can do it, there is no reason why vBulletin can not.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] gTen:
I know what you are talking about but something like that requires the entire forum be changed/updated/modified...suggesting that would take time to implement as well and the mods may be reluctant to do it just for 1 device...if the Galaxy S can become the #1 device here on XDA then something like that could possibly be requested...for now this proposal would be easy to implement and improve things a lot.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] decepticon:
Mostly it wouldn't work because of so many different variants, it would flood the forum. Breaking it down by device will keep it more organized for dev purposes.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] AllGamer:
Indeed, that's why I volunteered to help with the forum

I've modded on other forums before mostly gaming sites like (flyff.gpotato.com) and smartphone (mytreo.net) sites just to name a few, I've also setup and installed forums for my customer's websites, so i know the in and out of it.

since i happen to have mucho time in my hands, i can give a hand keeping an eye on the SGS forum and help during the "migration period" from 5 segmented forum back to 1 giant section
[Galaxy S I9000 General] oswade:
YES YES YES!!!! please!!! I hate trawling through all the forums.

The OPs suggestion sounds fine, although smoe of the dev forums could be condensed even further.. Isn't Vibrant Bell exactly = to international version? And the Brazil and china versions will most likely be pretty empty imo, I'd suggest a section for "all other Galaxy S models".
[Galaxy S I9000 General] AvatarReborn:
YES PLEASE !!!!!!

Great idea !

I think it would help eliminate all the confusion due to all the regions / variations.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] INeedYourHelp:
You guys know that the first poll went the same direction (everything into 1), but for some un-godly reason, the xda staff thought it would be best to simply ignore their own flipping poll and listen to the minority. I doubt they will change their minds...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ravi84m:
Voted yes...

Obviously accessories should be separated given the physical differences.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] gTen:
I meant that for what he suggested may require modification vBulletin and stuff..so most likely xda is not gonna modify he forums for 1 phone unless its their #1 phone or something...what you proposed is what makes the best sense now and should be simple enough to implement.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] gTen:
Accessories are actually mostly the same...even the stand works for the Epic it looks like...so only things that will not work for all are cases and pouches and thats about it...

@INeedYourHelp - Yes but back then there were not many people and most devices were not released yet so we didn't know how these differences may effect things..in the end having 4 forums can be merged at any time but splitting the forums is a different story..now that most devices are available and we know they are compatible..there is very little reason not to do the merge unless we are purposely trying to limit development and make it a pain for the users...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] kizer:
[Vibrant] - Question about Rooting

Not that hard. ;)

I agree forums should be combined that serve items of likeness. Its obvious that Developement should be seperate since they all act a little different.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] NeoXTC:
Have we got a Mod/admin looking at this thread and poll yet?

Would be soooo nice to merge everything into 1.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] AllGamer:
yes there is one, but we need the rest of the higher level mods to agree
[Galaxy S I9000 General] gTen:
Was the mod supportive of the idea..or just ok sure and that was pretty much it?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] AllGamer:
the same mod that was helping sort out the resolve the crisis about the righful bounty price winner

mod name hilaireg

he confirmed the other mods has been thinking about it

so the more support we get from all the sister/brother SGS forums, the more voice we'll have... the more reasons the mod will have to group the forums together
[Galaxy S I9000 General] gTen:
Well that sounds like some progress...we should aim to get over 500 votes by end of the weekend >.>
[Galaxy S I9000 General] alovell83:
How does one aim to do such a thing? View periodically to raise the page views and keep this thread towards the top by commenting? If so, I've done my part. :D

Seriously, though, I could bring it up if there is any relevance elsewhere, anything else?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] darkknight49:
I think this would be a good idea.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] gTen:
Not only in this forum it has to be done in all the General forums(Captivate,Vibrant,Epic,Fascinate) that link to this one....not that I would know anything about that...*whistle*

Vibrant: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=764115

Captivate: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=764113

Epic: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=764116

Fascinate: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=764112

keeping it always on the front page would be nice..keeping it in the top 10 threads would be ideal :/