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[Desire General] Kali-:
sames OD code was removed from github

http://github.com/opendesire

why?
[Desire General] lpachuong:
OK. Dear developers. I really appreciate ur works but I don't think it is good to argue around. How about this. Can you please send me the list of ur specific stuffs and I will post it on the first thread. This will help users keep up to date and u can feel good to continue ur development. Credits is important but I want to keep this poll "clean" from personal discussion. We always appreciate every work/time and efforts you have made.
[Desire General] PaulW21781:
Renamed from opendesire to od

http://github.com/od
[Desire General] wph:
I totally agree to this. Last week OpenDesire suddenly was made final, when AdamG was argueing with richard_trip, while there where quite a few bugs in it. I planned to switch the next day to another rom, but then I saw AdamG started working on OD again. Now the fight is back and to make things worse, the fight is now between CM and OD on the one hand, and OD and DeFrost on the other hand. I really like the work here, but if this continues, I think I leave here for a while and use MCR, which doesn't have as many updates and new features, but is stable and I don't have to read all that childish behaviour here.
[Desire General] lpachuong:
Totally agree.
[Desire General] Dactylion:
it would be so easy if richard and adamg would stop backing their own cm6 based roms and instead help defer and kali doing something really useful
[Desire General] donald-c:
Tbh I don't see enough of a big difference to prefer one over the other, I've been using the CM nightly builds, going to flash DeFrost 3.0b now :)

OpenDesire wasn't working well with me before so I'll wait a while before flashing that again :)

I remember seeing thousands of themes for CyanogenMod ROM's but now when I look I hardly see any :(

That could have been a huge plus for CM :)

Maybe when its final we'll see more themes.
[Desire General] hensk:
obviously not just pull
[Desire General] hensk:
I use the Defrost, Cianogen (night) I'm currently он Оpen Desire

and have on SDHC nandroid-image NehtSens Cyan and

I am satisfied with all I've used .. but must video & camera to be in my top form
[Desire General] Nodders:
I've got an interesting reaction to this topic. On one hand I have a ghoulish interest in seeing what ROM people use and why, flitting as I do between OD and DF in particular with no real rhyme or reason, on the other hand I could understand a dev, putting a lot of time and effort into these things might think "sod you all" if it is trailing and not bother any more - which would be a real shame.

I must also say that some of the posts from a dev in particular in this thread I find very disappointing, but no doubt I would react similarly given the same circumstances.

For what it is worth I am currently using DF. Why? Because of the GSM issue with OD 3.5.1 (I think it was). No doubt I will jump back across on when a future version of DF has a funny with something, as all ROMs inevitably do. I think they are both excellent ROMs - the only change I make is to get rid of the bloody nexus boot screen on DF. I do find it strange how much an update can have a psychosomatic effect.

Why not CM? Lack of legacy APP2SD, but when it gets it I will probably go down that path tbh.
[Desire General] bradputt:
wow, suddenly now i feel how lucky i am.

my phone doesn't like any non sense roms.

anytime i flash to all these it start to reboot continuously.

i'm always back to pays rom.
[Desire General] The_limit:
Ive used both, and to be fair opendesire is a bit more stable, and has a LOT longer battery life.
[Desire General] Drefsab:
Having used all 3 roms I have settled on opendesire, for me it ticked all the boxes. The faster gpu is awesome, its stable at higher overclocks than any other rom on my phone. There were black theme mods that had the circle battery mods built in, last of all its updated a lot.

CM had a lot of potential but it just had to many annoying bugs and practically no desire users on their forums, the Bluetooth HID support was what made me try it but other Rome have that and it came with to much junk for my tastes.

Defrost I tried and all in all it seamed ok, slower gpu from the version I used, not nearly as many updates. Sure it came from Richard who has done great work but it just didn't feel as nice to me. The setup utility is a nice idea but it annoyed me quicckly, I'd preffer being able to download mods all in one go then only reboot once to apply them.

All in all each rom has its plus points, everyone even Kali is working from other developers work. Sure credit should be given, its a shame people can't work together more as there clearly is a lot of skill on each side.

For me and for most people though he only thing that really matters is how well it works on their devices and with what they want to use if for.
[Desire General] Kali-:
Sorry but OD code is 99.9% from CyanogenMod nightlies
[Desire General] charon72:
Might be.. but without the spam, bugs and annoyances..

thats enough for me to choose OD.
[Desire General] Cactus42:
I wonder how many times you have to say that before it makes it true...
[Desire General] fakts13:
why don't you disprove it if it's not true with some hard evidence (ie, something other than adamg's word)?
[Desire General] djind:
I switch between all of them..

Coming from the HTC Dream, Cyanogenmod will always be number one. But OpenDesire and Defrost are doing a great job putting in their ideas and expertise and yes, great tweaks and add-ons from the Nightlies. And why not? That is how it works. There is a build, you take it, you ponder about it, you implement your ideas and give credit to the original build/chef/dev/etc..

I have kind of followed all of this and respect to all devs and cooks in the Desire forums. Please, please make sure to keep xda-developers for what it is supposed to. I remember the G1 forums having a similar issue. Have you all forgotten?!

I believe no one is ripping or stealing from anyone, because credit is given where credit is due.

Cyanogenmod is king, but that is not the say OpenDesire and Defrost are doing a hell of a job at giving us stable releases.

There is no comparison, not only because all roms are basically the same, but also because all roms are too different. Yes, take a second and think about that, will ya..
[Desire General] Cactus42:
Because I live in world where "innocent until proven guilty" is the way we do things. It's down to Kali to prove AdamG's guilt thanks. Problem is, he can't
[Desire General] beidl:
Oh really? Well then look at the commit history on http://github.com/cyanogenmod

and who were the first people to have the features.

Guilt proven, case closed.
[Desire General] Kali-:
there is a source code, look on it :D

check for "adamg-" or now "od" patch and u can see the hard work he do: just replace CyanogenMod string with Opendesire :(

this is just one example

http://github.com/od/android_packages_apps_ODParts/commit/424da39ce30d67c4cc433cdae65d922df42aad0e

u can find more here

http://github.com/od
[Desire General] fakts13:
i live in that world to, and the evidence has been handed over proving this "guilt", yet you turn a blind eye and tell him his claims are false.
[Desire General] Cactus42:
Funny, that sounds EXACTLY like the pinch-zoom thing between Apple and HTC - you know, the one where they both developed very very similar methods independently...

I'm not disputing that there's CM in OD, I'm disputing your claims to 99% of OD being from CM.

I guess you can join me with that then, I mean it's not like Adam can prove the amount of CM in his ROM is it? Oh, wait... Yes he can.
[Desire General] Kali-:
ask him a single line of code who have made
[Desire General] Benee:
I tried to maintain a aosp mod for myself. When trying to enable 720p i noticed that except of the kernel stuff you have to mod camera and framework.. and this aren't only a few lines of code.

So these two repos belong to cyanogenmod. The Settings and the defrost/opendesire settings are the cyanogen ones. The Build System - Cyanogen. I could list more things but i with framework and build system the biggest part of the rom has cyanogen as base. This for a proove (and if you run adams repo sync then most packages get pulled from cyanogen).

But I understand why thy implement these repos. CyanogenMod gets this nice fixes and mods and so and then you want to keep up with the developement. Manually adding all those fixes and get this working is PITA. I tried it with reboot options, camera and so on. Take ages to manually merge all these things.

So i stopped to develope my rom and just build my cyanogen with BFS and some tweaks and other things. Think I end up trying to code something for Cyanogen in the end ;)

Just my opinion
[Desire General] chifteur:
Hello

At the beginning I have tested DF, but I have trouble with Bluetooth.

I use OD from version 3 and I'm really happy with it.

I don't like CM, because I prefer official launcher.

I big thanks for all cooker :D
[Desire General] PaulW21781:
Exactly the same boat as me, posted up a few pages back! It's a shame that there isn't any decent documentation on the changes needed to get 720p working on a plain AOSP build... Ahwell

Not used BFS myself though, whats the main benefit over BFQ?? The only real thing I do is undervolt the CPU some more and remove the OC, get some pretty sweet battery life now in testing, only dropped 10% in the past 6 hours with normal use, so hoping to get atleast 48 hours from a charge if the maths works out right (admittedly, my normal use is probably alot less than most folk, but still) Although to be honest, that post about re-calibrating the Desire's battery did make one hell of a difference!
[Desire General] Benee:
BFQ is an io scheduler and BFS is a cpu scheduler. CFS the current used does shine with a larger number of cores. BFS works with a single core bette imo. All looks smoother and better and so.

The best battery life i got with my .32 HAVS kernel. But porting all the new awesome things back is too much work. And 34/35 HAVS is too unstable for me.

So yet i use a .34 cm-kernel with pershoot values, BFQ, BFS, interactive and your battery charging fix ;) tried to make cm as smooth as possible in combination with LauncherPro :D
[Desire General] StR@ng3r:
I would love to use CM. Everytime I tried a build it was great. Kali is definitely doing a great job. However, the lack of native Apps2SD support has been a show stopper for me thou. Right now I kinda switch between OD and WhiteExperience. They might all be based on CM but they allow me to use Apps2Sd out of the box ;)

I think I might be sticking with CM once 6.1 is released.

However, they all might share a same code base but all of the cooks add their own special flavour to their rom's. In my opinion that is just awesome and all of the chef's have my full respect for their work.

It makes me very sad to see that there are some arguments going on between richard_trip, adam and kali. Please don't let this make you stop developing for the desire, as I am enjoying all your efforts from every one of y'all. Damn, guys. I ARE the community. You are the guys, we all look up to equally. All of you have done something good. It would be a shame i you couldn't settle your issues.
[Desire General] PaulW21781:
Sounds like what I'm doing but minus BFS for the time being lol! But yeah, same results with HAVS :( I'm using some slightly lower pershoot values I think... It's been that long since I've looked at them I can't quite remember lol! Buit yeah, stripping down a few bits from CM6-base, using LauncherPro as I always have (definately the smoothest launcher I feel), but using Conservative governor for my CPU, even though it does give a slight performance hit, I do feel it is giving me slightly longer battery life! (even if its only an hour or so, anything is better!)

I'm forking teamdesire/cm-kernel so again same base as you by the sounds of it :)

Github is fun :)
[Desire General] mr.vandalay:
cyanogen all the way for me!

there's always only one original...
[Desire General] df9517:
Cyanogen and Cyanogenmod is king. Other roms can be okay though. Everybody knows that!
[Desire General] BlackDragonBE:
I've used all of them, and I just like OD better at the moment.

It just works for me.

I don't know why people are so protective of the ROM they use, everyone has different taste.

This isn't a race or a war people, grow up.

Cheers to all developers, you're doing a great job.
[Desire General] gazz2577:
Od for me others I've tried were ok but od just feels better
[Desire General] fstluxe:
Okey Guys,

Stop With this bull**** right now!...

Whoe Gives a F**k witch source is Used ??

I like the work that richard and AdamG are doing!! the Both have their good and bad sides.. lets be honest ..

The only thing that bothers me = the childish behavior between the devs.. whats the deference for the user if you put Hostly The right credits in the first post ( So DO IT!!! ITs no Competition...?? and stop Fighting.. ,Start working witch each other making our devices better!..

and stop this useless poll..
[Desire General] Dunbad:
Devs,

You've all been spooned by this guy. Can't you see it? He's stirred this up a treat. Please continue your great work. Hopefully you will be working together.
[Desire General] Dunbad:
Oh really. What did you honestly expect. Ohhhhh but u didn't mean to start an argument.As has already been said, this post needs to be closed.
[Desire General] Benee:
Hrm paul ... maybe shared source? If we both work on aosp we might get a nice mod :D
[Desire General] deepakoffline:
i second that :)
[Desire General] lpachuong:
Didn't I say that the purpose of this poll is to see how many people are using these three customed roms? I hate argument about what is the best and where things come from. Don't be childish. Plus, it is people's opinions and you can't stop people saying what is good and what is bad.

For example: isn't ur girlfriend is the most beautiful person u think u have ever met...but it doesn't mean she is beautiful in others' eyes.

And plus, if the devs want to argue about credits, why don't u guys create a new thread and update ur credits there so people can see what belong to whom. No point arguing all over the place.

Cheers and rest in peace.
[Desire General] Nodders:
To be fair, the fact this thread went this way is pretty predictable regardless of your intentions, and i'm surprised you thought it was in any way a good idea. Of you were interested on the differenced, then ask what they are, without the polls anf "v"s.To continue your example while stressing that I in no easy consider a phone ROM to be on any intrpretation like a girlfriend (v. strange metaphor you use btw :)), what sort of reaction would you expect if you had a poll as to whose girlfriend or partner was considered the best? Sometimes a little anticipation counts for a lot.
[Desire General] human_blip:
Actually I thought this thread was useful in spite of the silly arguments and chest beating.

I'm new to Android and don't know much about the history of these roms and their pros and cons so I'm interested to compare. So far I've used od 3.5 and I've been happy with it.

But living long in the open source world I want to know what I am using, and I want to be able to look at the source code and be able to build it myself. All three of these roms are interesting to me as part of an education process to that end. Since a couple of you are or have been rolling your own, where do I start looking for documentation on how to do this?
[Desire General] Dunbad:
My other half IS pig ugly !

Anyway, this thread may have been a good idea. But! The moment the devs and life blood of our roms started having issues with each other it should be crashed. Bad timing? Who knows. Asking them to then post up who done what, was perhaps just making things worse in my opinion.

You hate ARGUMENT about what is best, so does everyone. People must have there opinions. So long as they are not rude or unappreciative or disrespectful, its fair comment. If I came over rude, I apologise. I'm just annoyed and frustrated that this thread has put the devs at loggerheads. Its in noones interest.

But anyway, anyone like to hazard a guess as to which one out of all of them is hardest/best fighter? THAT'S A JOKE !
[Desire General] LBTaylor1984:
I think pointing out the differences is a good idea, arguing the toss over features they all share is pointless. tbh I've tried ROMs and i can't see the difference between most. so lisitng the key differences is a excellent idea in my opinion.
[Desire General] wickeeeeeeeeee:
I second this thread...

Some of us aren't nightly flashers and really sometimes CBF flashing all the time.

As an end user I do want and like to see the differences of each of the most popular mods so I can decide which to flash to.
[Desire General] PinkySlayer:
I am sorry to dredge up this thread again but I agree too. I have been trying to find my ideal rom but the information provided is not always sufficient to make an informed choice. Yes, it is useful to try different roms but are we expected to try them all? Do you try different Microwave Ovens or Vacuum Cleaners before you buy one? Or do you read the reviews and comparisons first? This thread would have been extremely useful if left to the users to give their opinions and views without it turning into a childish bun fight.

I have tried CM6, NexTSense, Psychosis, LeeDroid, EViO_2 etc and have decided that what is most important to me is FLAC support and A2SD+ on 2.2 and then anything else is a bonus. But this combination didn't seem to exist so this type of comparitive discussion was what I was looking. I didn't want to waste time trying OD and DF if they didn't have FLAC (it seems that OD does but I don't know about DF).

It's just a shame that this thread has been rendered useless by over-sensitive egomaniacs. WTF happened to free speech!? My thanks go to all of the positive contributors.

Cheers,

Ged.
[Desire General] wickeeeeeeeeee:
What do you think of CM6?

I'm running OD 4.0.10 at the moment. It generally goes well and I get around 2 days battery life. It's fast, lean and quite light and very stock. But I'm after slightly better battery life if possible.
[Desire General] Lennyuk:
Defrost and OpenDesire give people the option to flash a pre-packaged and slightly more optimised (more apps and kernel mods) version of CM.

With CM you get no apps2sd+, no google apps, its just a shell really.

You can't blame both Richard and Adam for making their roms, and they do differ slightly, so they can actually both be classed as "real" devs.
[Desire General] sookster54:
I would have voted OpenDesire but the stability of that ROM is questionable lately.
[Desire General] Cactus42:
Can't say I've noticed that, been running 4.0.10 since it was uploaded, flashed without wipe to 4.0.15 and I have to say it's more stable than my personal experiences of the other two. Battery life on on the current OD is phenomenal too.

The above is why these threads are a bad idea - we both have the same phone, have flashed the same roms, but with different results. I say OD is bloody awesome, but for some reason it may not be as good as DeFrost or Cyanogen on your phone.
[Desire General] Kali-:
Dont forget, this is for legal reason.
[Desire General] sookster54:
4.0.4 was probably at its prime minus the trackball battery drain (optical joystick in their definition) which still persists in 4.0.1x and the occasional app FC and reboots and dying wifi, anyhow teppic74's stock rooted Froyo has been much more stabler and no severe battery drain.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dgaf98:
if i installed an alt font zip how can i get the default font back nandroid is not an option as my sd card took a crap and i lost my backup thanks for any help...

does anyone have a flashable zip of the default font??
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dgaf98:
anyone able to help?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] freddyamazin:
Wipe and flash your Rom ? Or just reflash the Rom
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sandervanzijl:
I have created a number of subfolders in my new hotmail, and i have set hotmail to sort my email from recipients in these folders.

so i really need to be able to see my folders in a mail app i want to use on my desire.

the standard mail app does not work yet (cannot create exchange activesync account)

i have tried maildroid and k9. they can connect with hotmail and show my inbox, but i can not get them to show my folders.

does anyone have an idea on how to solve this with the programs. or with another program maybe?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] catsa:
Just picked this baby up but there is one thing that really bothers me. I'm not sure if this has to do with Android OS, or the phone's Samsung Touchwiz UI, or just the Galaxy S itself.

I am used to using straight forward, high resolution pictures for use as wallpaper on my iPhone 4G. I really, really hate the cropping wallpaper in the Galaxy S, and the weird scrolling wallpaper. Is there ANY way, any hack, that i can make the wallpaper static, and just use a picture same resolution as the phone screen? Even if it means hacking and removing the Touchwiz completely, and using a different UI, I don't care. Thanks very much.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] greener88:
Not sure if this can be done in Touchwiz itself (I haven't looked), but I'm using LauncherPro on my Galaxy S, and there's an option to disable wallpaper scrolling under Preferences > Appearance Settings.
[General Questions and Answers] wdfowty:
Trying to flash my aosp rom to test it, but my updater script is funking up every time...

The recovery log shows that there is an unexpected symbol/character...then syntax errors. I know it boils down to me using a text editor to edit these files. I have used nano, TextEdit, and Text Wrangler (on mac), all to no different result.

I'm officially stuck. Help?

// recovery.log //

-- Installing: SDCARD:deepfreeze.zip
I:Set boot command "boot-recovery"
Finding update package...
I:Update location: SDCARD:deepfreeze.zip
Opening update package...
I:Update file path: /sdcard/deepfreeze.zip
Installing update...
I:Trying update-binary.
1 parse errors
line 3 col 34: syntax error, unexpected STRING, expecting ',' or ')'
E:Error in /sdcard/deepfreeze.zip
(Status 6)
Installation aborted.

edit: if i use the updater-script from a cyanogenmod nightly (unedited) I get no errors...Am I using the wrong editor?
[General Questions and Answers] wdfowty:
So, in a stroke of pure genius, I found the solution. Edit with Eclipse, problem solved. Hope this helps someone :D
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] atomfix:
Place your vote's of which ROM has the best battery life for your phone.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gio.desire:
Good thread! I'm very intrested to see wich ROM has the better battery life!
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] buchman:
Isn't this a bit pointless as they are basically very similar roms.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] techtex:
As far as I know - DeFroST is based on OD. So nothing to compare or vote here.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] atomfix:
Not entirely the same. And both on different kernels also.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Nordo:
I had very bad surprises with both roms.

But I think the real problem are some apps.

Camera360 for example kills your battery in 2 hours.

So I don't vote
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] richardtrip:
Defrost is completely build from source with cyanogenmod packages and framework. Kernel is different also (no overvolt 1305Mhz@1300mV). Look at my github: http://github.com/richardtrip/
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] atomfix:
Thank you Richard. So there will be different battery life between the 2 ROM's. People need to stop saying that DeFroST is a total rip from OpenDesire.