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[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] djingonthenet:
I will always keep winmo as the booting OS but do like the android sense build, if it ran in the same way on winmo I probably wouldn't even use android, but the widgets, speed and ease of use is a winner. I feel though, that sense in winmo looks much more polished (visually) than it does in android.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] hazard99:
I am amazed at the amount of people who speak of polish when It comes to android. Sense does look nice on Winmo but thats only a cover for a really old and ugly interface. With android the sense ui is weaved into the Os. We may not have the pretty Icons or th 18 so called useful screens But I didnt use half of those screens.

A Twitter home screen is no match for a twitter widget.

A Music widget is no match for the music home screen. Though cht does help with that.

I only need a few home screens because android makes such good use of its space with widgets and such.

Overall I think im just use to sense on android. I was completely disappointed with Winmo sense.

To each their own. Both do the job well for certain people. I personally dont need exchange or calender sync

Btw I'm running shu8icraft 1.4c along with a june 11 energy rom.

radio 2.10 t-mo us (underclocked at 652mhz)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] smeddy:
I've been a WIM user for years, absolutely loved Sense, and felt loyal to WM -but after less than 20 hours on Android I'm not going back. Microsoft has completely lost me as a user
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] geon106:
i do agree how Android has more eye candy yet still runs smoother than WM.

I do love Sense UI(and Android comes with it to on some builds) but even WM with Sense is still being ran by an out of date, sluggish OS
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] polo735:
In windows mobile the sense graphics and overall snappiness still impresses me. Beyond that it is clunky, ugly and feels generally old. Android is just plain intuitive. It puts all the settings in the right place and spells out what everything does for you. Notifications are handled better and everything just feels like the people who created it put thought into it. Finally the apps are the icing on the cake. The android market is in full gear while WM development is on its last legs.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] telegraph0000:
Well...I tried it, and went back to winmo...(did it with Energy's Android ROM)---I reloaded the previous Sense rom, and even after deleting all Android aspects of the rom, I am now plagued with problems such as:

1. Programs (file explorer, for example) not working with storage card inserted

2. sprite and pim backup fail

3. soft resets only successful if storage card is not inserted

4. Black screen of death upon going into standby mode---

did I miss something? I already reflashed twice!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] eenbox:
I love the fact that when all of us were buying HD2 - others were saying why buy HD2 when it's outdated already cuz of WinMo 6.5... But now, nowhere to be found are peeps who were saying those things to us :) ... running WinMo, geting bored, switching over to Android - simply the BEAUTY!!! :)

I use WinMo as primary OS until it is figured out how to improve battery life - but still here and there I run Android for 2-3 days - just for fun of getting my hands on Apps :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] hazard99:
When i have removed android I never suffered any of the ill effects. Android doesnt touch the winmo files so why would it cause these things not to work.

Sounds like typical winmo stuff to me.

Did you task 29 and do a format of the sdcard.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] cd78:
Have to say, all the Android builds i have tried just cant match up to a speedy custom ROM on Winmo.

A good custom ROM imo is snappier, quicker and much less likely to freeze randomly.

I need to use my HD2 daily and need it to work 100% of the time - so at the moment im sticking with winmo.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Mnemoch:
Actually, I have fewer problems with Android froyostone v1 than WinMo; I find it more stable than Miri/Steve GTX (one before latest ROM) which is pretty darn stable! Had Android running for 3 days so far with no need of a reboot...that doesn't happen with WinMo. Slightly annoying that headsets (I know they work on other builds but sticking with froyostone for now) and wifi tethering doesn't work--but I am sure they will soon!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] smeddy:
I agree, I'm finding the SubCRAFT Android ROM easily as reliable as my favourite few WM ROMS (including Energy's great ROMs). Once a day, for 10 seconds, the touchscreen stops working until I press a hardware key, and obviously battery life needs some improvement), but in return I'm released from fairly regular soft resets, random glitches, pauses, stutters etc...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] B4PJS:
Currently back to WM for me. I have my own custom ROM that I never have any problems with. Android is good, but as I cannot use TomTom on it (I have traffic and speed camera subscriptions for another 10 months) and because bluetooth is not quite up to scratch I use WM for driving (listening to music and handsfree) and regularly do not go back to Android.

As soon as I get some time, I will learn how to cook me up my own Android ROM and will probably just use that, with the latest kernel updates from GIT, though as mentioned before, when driving I will be using winmo.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Sichroteph:
Desactivate autorotation and your done with the ts freezes...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] MartyLK:
Messed with the new Droid 2 today and saw that it has a feature very much like Touch Flow.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] SAman1:
I enjoyed playing with the new Android sense build for a few days, like a kid with a new toy. Its, pretty good, but I'm going back to Energy's Excellent WM ROM, which is not only snappier, but also more visually appealing than the Android Desire sense build I am using. The truth is, as much as I hate the frequent resets needed in WM, Android development for hd2 still has too many shortcomings for permanent use at this stage (either too slow or unacceptable battery life, wifi router not working, accelerometer causing freezing, BT not working 100percent yet, sync with Outlook not fully working yet, icons not as polished as WM, some apps I use not yet available on Android platform, etc....). Once those issues are addressed on HD2 Android builds I will consider a permanent move to Android, if I haven't already changed to another native Android powered phone by that time, that is.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] MartyLK:
I recently flashed the Aug. 18 Energy Standard ROM (21914), which is CFC'd, and was very pleased by the snappy speed and appearance. I had been using the July 21 Energy GTX (21911). This new one, though, is sweet. I added Cookies and CHTE to it since it is one of the base ROMs and have a hard time staying with Android now. The main thing pulling me to Android is a few apps that I can't get in WinMo.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] maerdance:
Well, SENIOR <-- and that's the point why you stick to WM and tochblo and all the other senseless stuff. you have put so much hard work into your several WM-devices to get it working as good as possible, it has become difficult for you, to say goodbye to it as to an old war wound.

by the way, I wonder, how old you really are?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ikovac:
Android is better? Well for me is just different. Tried numerous builds, sticked to mattc 1.5b. It works. It is fast. I don't actually expect it to work flawlessly yet (battery for example). Devs are investing a great deal of time to make it perfect and they will succeed one day. But for me Android is still on a very good second place as an OS. I simply use it for fun and to annoy my friends with Desires who were making fun of HD2. I don't use it for anything useful yet. I tried mail, Market, wireless features, games etc... It's ok.

Also (not trying to hijack the thread here) - I think that old WM (but with Sense or some other GUI enhancement), BadaOS, iOS, Meego, new Symbian are all actually of the same "type" GUI - desktop, wallpaper, icons, shortcuts, scrolls, "buttons". Android isn't an exception - same all, same all. That perhaps was one little disappointment for me. It is not "revolutionary" for me at least. W7phone GUI is that new thing I look forward to see.

Check other great concepts:

http://www.tat.se/site/showroom/latest_design.html

Cheers,

Ivan
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] hazard99:
Frankly windows phone 7 looks rather plain....all though with a few features that bring it to life I couldnt stand to look at the blocks!

And isnt icons widgets and buttons a basic make up of any gui?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] evolutionqy7:
i dont particulary like it more than winmo...i would say its equal for me...i like the sense interface more on win mo...(hate it on android) and with cookies hometab you can mess around to get unqiue layouts and new styles...

so the answer is probably no...android just for the odd game app and flash internet browsing and win mo for everyday use :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dipaolnv:
I agree with you on the CHT thing. It's so good, and you can't run it on Android. When I'm in Android, I catch myself often trying to make the homepage scroll up or down to get the other views I've become accustomed to. I do like the app selection on Android better, but honestly I can do anything on WM that I can do with Android, and there are a few things I like better in WM actually.

The long and the short of it is that being able to switch back & forth between WM and Android gives us the best of both worlds!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dipaolnv:
BTW telegraph0000... let us know what you end up playing with and how you like it :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ikovac:
I agree on that - plain, but still a step forward with "panorama" apps and hubs. I work at an IT company and saw some of the devs playing with the possibilities of the new GUI in a simulator. I assure you - it was very different from anything I have seen so far (and I have played with a lot of modern gadgets like smartphones, GPS services, industrial devices etc...). The downside was that it was on a regular computer - so no that "touch feeling" of a real device.

Actually I think icons and buttons are more of a historical technology evolution than a necessity or a must of a future GUI. Just to illustrate this - I remember playing need for speed years ago using left and right arrows on a keyboard. Keys became buttons. Now driving sims on modern gadgets use accelerometer and know how far you have turned the device aka "steering wheel" and steer the car accordingly (and do that much better since they steer in an "analogue" manner instead of a button "digital" manner. Next step would be vibrate function and here you go - force feedback steering in your hand :). So I think devices are going to have less icons and buttons and more of a voice, tilting, shaking, touching, cuddling, scratching etc... interface. Now I've gone too far probably, but there are already apps that use multitouch gestures for common tasks/actions and if you learn it - we already don't need so many icons anymore. Here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=629263

And many things are simple to implement even using today's icons - like more used icons/apps get automatically bigger through time or go up in some hierarchy structure. Or a Tree structure of dependencies of settings instead of "advanced" button or menus. There was a windows alternative 3D desktop that was doing that - very intuitive.

And I actually started to think on this GUI things when I was handed an iphone with over 80 apps on it. It was a complete mess - pages and pages full of icons. Colourful - but not very clever or fast. Old WM is in the same bin here.

In that sense I said I was a little disappointed by design of many of the modern GUIs, including Android (Samsung Bada OS and Symbian are so already seen - no invention at all). I hope it doesn't sound like ranting, it is just what I would like to see in any new and modern mobile OS. At the end Android is so much ahead of WM and so much younger and more advanced, and again it still uses the same old logic. But I cannot fight the feeling that I ended up with two similar/alike OSs on my HD2. One 10 years old and one 1 year old. :)

English is not my native language so perhaps I use words a bit too "strong", but I hope I explained why I find Android on my HD2 a bit - well.... ordinary.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] sanibak:
I have recently loaded a Froyo 2.2 HTC desire build which runs fantastic. I am really enjoying the extra polish that a lot of applications have, be they an Android app or HTC Sense(?) UI feature. IMO as WM development is so stunted a lot of apps are just not quite up to scratch anymore.

As I am now completley invested in a 4.3 inch screen, if there was a 4.3 inch HTC Desire I would be out there forking over my hard earned cash right now. As the closest thing in Australia right now is a Samsung Galaxy S which doesnt have a camera flash, I think I will wait and see. Running Android on the HD2 for now is satisfying my Gadget Addiction.... although I am not sure how long that will last :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] commodore65:
android not a serious business phone option

i have an imap business email account setup outlook on winmo and its so far superior to the android mail app. I couldnt find how to adjust the polling options

in android, so i tried k9 on android and its ok but not a patch on outlook. Contact synch is far easier in winmo also.

Tried google navigator installed on my froyo build and its not a patch on my winmo tomtom . A horrible automated female voice telling my about "road circles", they are called "round abouts" you silly moo.

android is the dumb blonde of phone os, pretty but lacking in substance.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Cret:
Android is great and I'm really starting to enjoy it EXCEPT for the fact that my phone just utterly guzzles power when I'm running it compared to winmo, and I wouldn't even get a full day from my phone if I do any level of fiddling around, whereas winmo I can still be upwards of 70% after a full day/evening.

Shame otherwise I'd probably be an android convert by now.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] qipengart:
I love my Android and apart from a few issues like WiFi tendering and the battery issue which I have improving using SetCPU program, it is all good! After it wasn't like Windows Mobile 2003 was that good when it came out. I love Android so much and if Windows Mobile weren't so hackable, I would eliminate it completely out of my life like a bad girlfriend.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] terrytpot:
That seems a bit harsh..as far as I recall, Google navigator was also available on winmo (seem to recall using it in streetview for a giggle) but that did'nt stop you looking for an alternative ie:TomTom...what's to stop you doing the same on Android? I've used Co-Pilot,N-Drive,Navigon and Sygic to name a few..it's a shame TomTom haven't done an Android version yet but there are plenty of other apps out there!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] pakure:
i use winmo for daily use..(need it in my work..only win mo) and android for the weekend for fun..enjoying the dual purpose
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] telegraph0000:
I liked the customization aspect of it, however, the battery drain (90% in less than 7 hours) was a killer---I've since gone back to winMO with MAJOR issues (such as not being able to boot up the phone from a reset if memory card is inserted)---I've task 29'ed, reformatted, tried booting with a different memory card and still the same issue, freeze up after 'X' animation on Enery ROM...

I did like it a lot though...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] FenderGuy:
Good comments on this thread to stay with WINMO for now, until Andriod is perfected or at least close to it. I started on the G1, went to the Mytouch then went to the HD2. While it syncs with my outlook for my work and works daily even with a modded ROM, it still makes me feel like the 1Ghz is wasted on winmo, miss andriod system a lot better and hoping a great rom comes along soon
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] GbrilliantQ:
I never use WinMo anymore. I haven't since Darkstone. Used all of the builds and the only time I use WinMo is when I switch to a try a new build out. When we are able to flash an Android rom, I'll be switching permanently to Android.

Went over a week at times, without having to see WinMo..
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] smeddy:
I'm now a week into Android and, despite my earlier post saying I was finished with WM, this is my current feelings:

What I want to use 100%: Android, all the way, for the apps. Some of them are so useful for day-to-day life (for example, London Tube Lines, Place Finder). Also for the smoothness and general stability of the OS.

Why I am still with WM 60% of the time:

- Exchange support is a must

- TomTom, when needed, is great on WM, and I do not wish to pay for an Android equivalent

- I have tried all of Android's e-readers and none compare to AlReader, which is my most-used app.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] evolutionqy7:
does any one think that if WinMo had the same amount of apps in its marketplace it would be equally as popular?

i think the fact is that most rom developers for WinMo arent bring out anything fun and exciting anymore hence since all of you rush to android to see whats it like and think its great cause its new and all the apps and everything...

i did the same but after about a week or 2 i went back to winmo...it still has a few good games on it...usefull tools...and WinMo Sense to me is much nicer to the eye than android sense...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] xprav:
HD2 or Desire?

I was almost buying HD2 last weekend, but decided to wait one more week....

has anyone any idea of how is android 2.2 running on HD2 as compared to Desire?

I am really stuck badly in making a choice between HD2 and Desire...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Oo Alias oO:
The only reason I have never gone across to it is because of the Battery Life issue, I use my phone alot so with android I can imagine it being bad on the battery.

I do like Android in terms of the market place...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] xprav:
this doesnt solve my problem yet...still confused...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] kabuk1:
I agree. In fact, the apps are why I now use android 99.9% of the time(the other .01% being when I have to boot into WM to charge my damn battery properly, grrr). I don't know if WM would be EQUALLY as popular, as it does require half a brain to use properly, but I don't think people would be migrating away in droves the way they are now.

WM isn't even dead yet, but development has come to a screeching halt for the most part. I subscribe to the freewareppc RSS feed & the only new things I see on there anymore are old apps getting occasional updates, soccer score trackers, & regional European apps that I have no use for. Everytime a cool new app comes out, it comes out for iPhone, Blackberry, & Android. NEVER WinMo. I got sick of being left out, which is why I made the switch.

The Android app business is EXPLODING. I can find an app for literally anything I want. I can get Rune casts & daily devotionals for my obscure religion(Asatru), enjoy the Cheezburger network, and even track my poops all with dedicated apps. The only WM apps I even miss anymore are Nitrogen & the classic Opera Mini(the java version). And Sense, I totally agree with you about WM Sense being better than Android Sense. By FAR.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] xprav:
still...if i were picking a new phone now...should it be desire or HD2 and get android running on HD2?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] inasar:
there is no question about it.

Android on HD2 trumps WinMo any day of the week. I anxiously await the NAND version of the Android build so that i can permanently switch to it.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ekerbuddyeker:
im a week into using Android on my HD2. I just love being able to dual boot. Sometimes I want to use Winmo. Sometimes im in an Android mood. i just switch between them.

However, I think Sense on Winmo with CHT is so much better than Android and its faster and cleaner than Android on my HD2 (I found myself trying to set up a similar look on Android!). I wish there were a full version of sense for Android (the Android version is just a few widgets, which are too big and dont make the most of the display). Looking at the sense tabs that I use:

The Home page is better on Winmo CHT. I can see more and dont have to switch around to get my clock / weather, diary snd some widgets. Its also fast

Messaging on Sense: Better on Android

Mail on Sense: I can quickly see all my accounts and switching between accounts is much faster in winmo (i cant simply swipe left right in Android). While the winmo mail app looks old, sctions like highlinghting several mails at once (not just for deleting) is better on winmo than android).

Calendar on Sense: summary calendar shows more than on Android, and I can get to it quicker

Web: better on Android

Pictures: Sense app is WAY BETTER for flicking through pictures, and I dont have to leave my home tab to do so. the Android app is awful IMHO

Music tab on sense: WAY BETTER ON WINMO. I cant believe how poor the Android one is

Stocks: quicker to get to on Sense

Weather: Better on Winmo Sense (quicker to get into / out of)

Other niggles for me is that wile I can OTA sync calendar, contacts and mail, I can no longer sync tasks or notes (both of which are critical for me - in fact I cant even find these apps anywhere)

Finally I dont think Android multi tasks as well as winmo.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] OrionCarl:
totally with u on all this, I love android, it runs so much nicer and looks nicer, but the home screen with different looking quicklinks is pretty ugly, CHT for android would be good.

if android looked the same as WINMO, then it would be a winner:D