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[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] m2shakiba:
in my opinion both phones suck dont buy them at all

htc desire is a useless old phone with bad battery and old version htc sense interface that makes it slow an unfunctional

hd2 also is a winmo phone and changing it to android makes it even worse

bad battery drain

connections issue

and lack of screen color support(256k not 16m) makes the android looks symbian

so if you want to have a real phone wait for evo 4g or htc desire or...

but not hd2
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] hd2k10:
No connection issues for me for HD2 running NAND

No battery issues minus the 1 60mA bug (read your messages and it won't effect your battery life much)

Screen color doesn't mean ****, Android looks flawless. I bet if someone found a workaround for 16m vs 256k you wouldn't even notice the difference.

He was saying wait for the Desire HD by the way --- Great phone, but terrible look appeal, Evo 4G looks like poop. HD2 is the best phone on the US Market, hands-down.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] zarathustrax:
What makes you think the desire doesn't have all those builds? It does... it probably even has more roms available.

Anyways, to the op... if you want to also boot into winmo and maybe wp7 in the future, the hd2 is a good phone. If you just want Android, you'd be better off getting a native Android phone. Native Android phones have more colors, better battery, and overall can run Android better once their rooted and tweaked properly. But they will never be able to run winmo (or wp7 in future hopefully) like the hd2 can.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Marct77:
Guys...why all the replies today to a thread started last August huh ?

I think the OP might have moved on by now.... :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] akbisw:
I mean to be honest HD2 is the best phone for any os. It is a beast with android, a monstar with windows. Big screen and awesome colors, amazing picture quality. All in all it is your best bet. Hd2 is also cheaper than desire.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] TheiPhoneKiller:
Why are you on here,i think you contridicted yourself in many ways,You say desire sucks but you say wait for a real phone like a htc desire,you say wait for Evo wich has exacly the same screen as a HD2,The lack of colour support,i cant see that being a major issue,the other thing is its actually 262k,Basically the difference is the 16m will give more depth to photos etc but also consider the resolution and brightness of the screen, I've seen a few 16m colour displays with poor resolution(nokia 5800 for example,its a symbian,Samsung Galexy Spica,an Android,both with 16m)and while the colours look great the image isn't as sharp! Good resolution first, then consider the colours i,4.3 inch and 480x800 Res(this goes for Evo aswell)image quility is better than half the 16m units and nothing is a bad as what symbian is,ive had an Amoled Samung i8910 with 16m and a 360x640 res and that was worse than a HD2 screen,This screen even beats my old Hero,its not all about Colours,Battery i think is the same as windows mo,just depends on the kernal and on most smart phones,battery life isnt fantastic anyway,I think you shoulda thought that post through a little better :D :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] zarathustrax:
Oh, wow, I didn't pay attention to the date of the op... I just saw a bunch of replies from today so I assumed it was recent.
[Off-topic] Aditya7:
Hi Everyone,

Just wanted your opinion on this.

How many of you would pay a little bit, lets say £10 extra for a custom bag with your choice of colours and straps?

Thanks for viewing and replying
[Off-topic] MacaronyMax:
I would :D :p :D :);)

idea :p maybe make a poll and in the options have it so you can see who voted where :D
[Off-topic] Aditya7:
Thanks , will create a poll
[Off-topic] MacaronyMax:
Niice :D :)
[Off-topic] souljaboy:
if i choose that i wouldnt pay does it mean ill get it for free ?
[Off-topic] MacaronyMax:
Haha lol I doubt it

On my phone :D
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] gajahwhite:
Hi there..

My friend using Motorola Milestone bought from Starhub Singapore. But now he got some problem where at that time, he turn off the phone to change sim card, then when he turn on back, the phone stuck at Starhub loading logo.

Usually, after turn on, we'll se the Starhub loading logo then the Motorola logo. But now, it got stuck on Starhub logo even waiting for 1 hour. I've told him to try do hard reset (take out the battery). He said yes he already done that bcoz during the loading Starhub logo, he can't press any key, can't turn off and else. Take out the battery is the only way to restart it.

I've ask someone about this, he said to "reflash". I'm noob, don't know what is that and don't know how to do that. But I understand it's maybe like "format".

Can someone teach me how to reflash the milestone?
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] gajahwhite:
Haha.. I'm now laughing to myself..

After tired waiting for people answer.. finally I found the way to solve my problem..

And now my friends phone work fine now..

I follow this superb easy step to reflash your phone..

For those who noob like me.. better u follow this tutorial

Thread Owner: Axiol

Thread Name: [HOW-TO] Get your Milestone back to stock

(find in Motorola Milestone Android Development)

(I'm new user here, can't post link ^_^)

THanks to Axiol (the thread starter)

thanks a lot..

since the problem solved.. thread closed! ^_^
[Droid X General] Joe92T:
I just find it comical that the Droid X was hyped up to come with 2.2 and then it launches with 2.1, which wasn't a big deal...

However now as a slap in the face.. The droid1 got froyo... The droid 2 has froyo.. Now the droid incredible also has froyo.. And the X is left alone by itself in 2.1 land.. Any comments?
[Droid X General] inzandity:
I'm not really worried about it as I (and probably most of us) already have froyo...even if it isn't OTA
[Droid X General] Joe92T:
Yeah its more or less just showing where DroidX owners stand on verizons priority list, that's last
[Droid X General] elemeno0pee:
My brain can't handle the overload of ignorance that this thread is producing.........
[Droid X General] inzandity:
wtf is ignorant about this threat besides the bull**** spewing from your mouth?
[Droid X General] cbaty08:
hahaha, I agree with you there...

And I agree with the OP.... I think the Droid X should have gotten the update by now also... being the flagship phone and all.

Anyways, we shall wait and see..
[Droid X General] microdot:
My comment is its BS!! i know its potentially just a week or 2 away (maybe) but there is no reason why it should be the last freaken droid to get the update. This is suppose to be the daddy of all phones. If anything it should have been the 1st. Sorry just impatient because i want it but dont want to mess with leaked version that has to be manually installed. Who knows if its even the final version. :mad:
[Droid X General] silversonic1:
I'm going to list the phones in order of release with their Froyo Status.

Droid - Froyo'd first

Droid Incredible - Froyo'd second

Droid X - FroyoLeak, no OTA

Droid 2 - Released Froyo'd

It's only logical that X is last. Of course, it's not Verizon's fault. It's technically Motorola's, as they are the ones providing support for the phones they themselves released... But with the leaked Froyo out, it's only a matter of time before the OTA update's out. Just give it time, ok?
[Droid X General] Sheen160:
+1

It's most likely Moto's fault. Taking their time, etc. I'm just hopeful they'll release it soon. I'm laying off upgrading to the leak because I did the leak on my eris and got screwed.
[Droid X General] drewden123:
+1 as well. Whoever said this means the X is last on VZW's list of importance has no clue...vzw has nothing to do with it. Motorola does.
[Droid X General] dr154:
the dx is getting froyo between early/mid september . which is around the corner now, only if they dont delay it again... :)
[Droid X General] owenbeals:
Ready for update. Will we be able to root the stock 2.2 like what they r doin with the EVO?
[Droid X General] berndtjj:
It could actually be verizon holding it up. There is a very exhaustive testing process that all phones have to go through to be allowed on the vzw network. Most of the time the long lead is the first time through testing withdrawn updates taking much less testing and therefore much less time. However, if verizon found some issue that they don't want to allow on their network they could require motorola to go back, fix it, and get back in line to get the testing performed. Of course, some times verizon waves their hands let's the phone go through with minimal testing. We really can't know.
[Droid X General] drewden123:
Good point. But still..that doesn't portend that the X is low on verizon's priorities..quite the opposite I think.
[Droid X General] berndtjj:
I think there are tons more droids than droidx phones in use. The lack of flash in the recent froyo release for the droid seemed to have caught more of motorola and verizons attention since they rolled out /are rolling out an update in short order.
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dom5079:
i want to be able to tether 3g to wifi, but my hero is being replaced soon so i unrooted, then missed wifi tether, is there a way to get root access without running the full rooting proccess
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] btdag:
Universal Androot
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Alleycat68:
I can't get my EVO to let ringlert set my default ringtone. It works fine for setting a ringtone for individual contacts but fails at setting a ringtone for all incoming calls.

Is anyone else having this problem?

Thanks in advance...
[EVO 4G Accessories] xNotta:
I currently have a hard silicone back cover case on my phone but it becomes extremely slippery if I don't continuously wash it.

The back is completely smooth and I am terrified of dropping it.

I need to find a case that actually has a texture or some form of grip and keeping it under $20.

Otterbox Impact Case looks awesome, but I haven't found any good feedback on if its made from silicone that looses grip and goes slippery.

Does anyone have any suggestions?

Thanks.
[EVO 4G Accessories] VW91N3:
Amzer jelly case. Lots of colors, terrific feel, padded corners, textured grip area, good lens protection, and so cheap on eBay you can get them for less than burgers. And if you're someone who swaps out batteries, or has a car or desk dock that wants a naked phone, they're easily removable.
[EVO 4G Accessories] xNotta:
Thank you for the reply.

I've had silicone cases that would lift up when ever you would slide to one side or the other.

How are the edges on the sides of the screen?

Also, anyone know how the otterbox impact cars are?

Sent from my HTC Evo via the XDA app.
[EVO 4G Accessories] VW91N3:
The Amzer just barely wraps over the sides of front face of the screen, maybe 3/32". The bottom comes up about an eighth, and the top is cut out to clear the light sensor, speaker and front camera. I've not had issues at the edges, but I can't say if that's how I use it.

I don't think the Otterbox is in anyone's hands yet.
[EVO 4G Accessories] xNotta:
Alright, thanks for the info.

I am terrified of the sides being lose enough for anything to slide between them and my phone and cause my phone some damage.

(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUT8179c2lc - at ~1:20 you an see the sides of this case being crazy loose)

I was hoping someone that had an otterbox impact on a similar phone would have a comment on if the cases texture or fit was an issue.

Thanks again.

Sent from my HTC Evo via the XDA app.
[EVO 4G Accessories] VW91N3:
The Amzer isn't as thin. I've not had the pull-away issues, but then, I won't carry a glass phone in a pants pocket, either. I usually carry mine in my shirt pocket.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6HBMlMU3CM

Looks like they're going for about eight bucks on eBay, including shipping.
[EVO 4G Accessories] xNotta:
Hi again,

I added grip tape (left over from a skateboard deck) to my current case...lol.

It serves its purpose very well, but looks awful.

I have a chance to get the Platinum Case (Best Buy) for $10.

Anyone have any comments on this one?

Does it go slippery or feel like it could slip out of your hands?

EDIT: I just bought the case. I read some good reviews on it... guess I'll see once it arrives.
[EVO 4G Accessories] pongoface:
It is my conclusion that all chinese knock offs are 2100mah. This based on johnnychimpos results of tests. He had a 2700 and 3000. Both of which charged no higher than 2000mah. I have 2 chinese 3000 and 3500 no difference between the 3. Looking for proof elsewhere. Going to buy real seidio now.
[EVO 4G Accessories] skittlesV1:
the 3500 sedio is actually 2821mah according to battery boss
[EVO 4G Accessories] pongoface:
Still better than 2000mah. If I am going to be carrying this weight around I better get the most juice I can out of them.
[EVO 4G Accessories] Philosuffer:
Hmm, what do you think about this...

http://cgi.ebay.com/Seidio-3500mAh-...388183?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item255cf59497

Seems to be a California based company, but on their main website they have the same item going for 64.99 - wonder why eBay is $15 cheaper.

http://www.wirelessemporium.com/sea...vo+4g&x=0&y=0&refine=y&Price=Greater+than+$50

Wireless Emporium, Inc.

1410 N. Batavia St.

Orange, CA 92867
[EVO 4G Accessories] skydeaner:
It is my conclusion that my chinese knockoff charged to over 2700mah and kept getting better. It was rated at 3000
[EVO 4G Accessories] GaryJ51:
I use the HTC 2150. Works great, less filling ...

Only drawback - battery indicator doesn't function.
[EVO 4G Accessories] johnnychimpo:
@op i agree. they are all the same with different sticker. 2k packs 2 times the size.
[EVO 4G Accessories] jobryan26:
I agree the 2100, 2700mAh, and 3000mAh are all actually the same 2100mAh, but the 3500mAh Seidio is a beast on it's own. I have all of these batteries.
[EVO 4G Accessories] jigglywiggly:
I got the 3500mah from random Chinese company, the fit and finish of the case is really nice :o

I don't understand why the mah would be so low... I mean the 1500mah ones I bought, are pretty much 1500mah.
[EVO 4G Accessories] Amco:
Cause OEM product fromt he company are close to the actually mah, seidio's 3500 is the best mah you going to get with 28xx mah.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Szaby59:
Is there any way to disable charging when phone is connected to PC in Mass storage, or "Kies" mode?

Samsung Galaxy i5801 - Android 2.1
[Windows Phone 7 General] gom99:
Why the Windows Phone 7 Start Page Has Blank Spots

Talks about one of the most debated things about wp7 design...the big black space to the right on the homescreen.
[Windows Phone 7 General] cyclical:
Interesting read
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
BS, its a simple design. Highly doubt scientist got involved, and highly doubt they were thinking about famous artist.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gom99:
BS? You don't think someone with knowledge of Design stepped in to design Metro? They're not saying they drew from Da Vinci, they're saying it's based on Design Principles, which have been around since the Renaissance and proven over time.

The design principles he talked about:

Rule of Thirds

Golden Ratio Scroll down to where it describes the impact on Architecture, Painting, Book design, Perceptual studies, Music

Basically saying the Metro design comes from design principles. We're used to alot of symmetry, but symmetry is a bad way to make something stand out. Which is pretty much common sense if you think about it. I agree, that a majoir theme of the UI is simplicity, but when I look at Metro I see a company that did alot of homework and did a lot of work to achieve that balance between elegance and simplicity.

Also you can't just say the design of Metro comes from simplicity. The easiest thing would have been to make the tiles symmetrical. the fact that it's not shows that other thought processes went on.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
They're not talking about Metro, they're talking about "Start".

Why make it sound complicated? They needed a way for people to know that there is more information to the right, that's all. Its not rocket science.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gom99:
Why do they need that? There's no such mechanic on any other mobile OS and there is often times when there is more content to the left or right. But it was part of a greater design decision to indicate more content through the design.

If you think it follows Design Principles by happenstance that's your prerogative. But I'll go with a designer designed it that way.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
Listen to Albert Shum and the other WP7 designers talk and you'll realize that a lot of thought was put into every tiny detail. Good design is like this and it's why techies/engineers suck at design.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Acually I wouldn't be surprised if some visual specialists were involved in such a process of creating new UI.

And to be honest, some of you don't have a clue how hard it is to find a real good visual proportions on screen, yes it is almost rocket science. From this aspect WP7 is probably well done.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nizzon:
Bull****!

Everyone at Microsoft are drunk and they still havent noticed its out of centre.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
You guys are so right, I don't know how I didn't notice it before! It probably took them years and designers from all around the world just to push the tiles to the left! OMG, its brilliant!

People don't know there is more to the right so its beyond me as to how they came up with the idea to put the arrow up there. Probably took more history books, scientist, and designers from all around the world ages to come up with this! Freaking Awesome!
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Yeah, right, this is why most of the interfaces around look like ****. Because making good one is too easy.

BS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
You think this was their first and only design? Somebody just said "let's put an arrow on the right to get to a list of apps" and this is what immediate was drawn up? Come on, you're being ridiculous.

It probably didn't take them all that much but this has been a point of contention among folks and this helps to explain why it actually makes sense and works quite well from a design perspective. The whole UI isn't just some designer's whim. There has been a lot of effort put into every aspect so that it works together. They even made a little book about it.

http://download.microsoft.com/downl...dows Phone Design System - Codename Metro.PDF
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
That's my point, everything else is just fluffy BS.

The article is ONLY talking about "Start" screen.
[Windows Phone 7 General] theomni:
The golden ratio, the rule of thirds, and all these have been around for more than a millennia. The research and and statistics have been record decades ago about how people perceive art that follow these rules and guidelines. There is a general consensus that art that uses these rules is more appealing to the eye than the same thing without these rules.

Something like this is really huge because there's so much math involved in it and that its almost ubiquitous in nature, from plant life to the structure of DNA. However, its very simple to use and implement it.

All microsoft and other artists do is just play by these rules that have all ready been established. So all these numbers and "fluff" that the article presents can just as easily be applied to everything else.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
Right but the article is accurate. You're making it seem as if the whole thing was done purely just so they could stick an arrow there and the sizing and layout was just what first came to someone's head without much thought. They likely had dozens of mockups with the final choice being tweaked many, many times before becoming what we see today.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
That's exactly what happened. Everything else is just fluff.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tom Servo:
I figure joining a graphic design class at an university would make your brain explode with all "fluff" and "bull****" they teach there. :rolleyes:
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Ugh no. It would enlighten you as to why you do certain graphical things and the principles behind them.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
So you're saying they didn't take design principles into account when creating those mockups and deciding on which direction to go? You're not making any sense... What's your point? What exactly are you disagreeing with?
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
They just stuck with the UI. Made it flow. Pushed it to the left because it looks better and because there is more information to the right. They followed the KISS rule.

The article just made MS design sound so scientific, when in reality everything we do is scientific.

However it doesn't mean MS went into great lengths searching for perfect measurements just to push things to the left.

We can say the exact same thing for any other OS. I call BS and fluff, just let the damn designer's do their job.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
Check out some of the interviews with Albert Shum and read the design book I posted previously and maybe you'll begin to see how wrong you are.

Part of the designers job is to take into account these basic design principles.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Duh!

Let's agree to disagree. You see all this math and all this science, such complicated stuff.

All I see is a design pushed to the left. That's all I see, doubt it took scientists to do that.

You guys are trying to over complicate things.
[Windows Phone 7 General] eknutson:
I'm sorry that you find thinking so complicated... perhaps another OS would suit you better? One where it's as simple as dragging your icons to the left, perhaps?
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
That's the mystery. From the outside it always looks simple and obvious.

But to do that you always require serious data.

You'de surprised to see how many different data and tests were made for intance

to make Office UI.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Huh?????

I bet if.... never mind.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gom99:
I still don't get what you find so far fetched. You don't believe MS has designers that understand basic design principles? You find it ever harder to believe MS employed lead designers are capable of using basic design principles that have been talked about since the Renaissance? What's so complicated about a designer doing his job? That's like saying it's overly complicated for a programmer to knowingly use something like Object Oriented Programming. You don't have to invent something or use thousands of hours of research to apply something advanced that someone else has already proven.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
He thinks some engineer just happened to create the UI the way it is in his first try. They said "we want to have the app listing to the right" and this is what he implemented. All-in-all, a couple hours work. The whole OS took a few weeks to design and write. The design is super simple and everything was just common sense and worked on their first try.
[Windows Phone 7 General] will3k14:
The interface is strange. Just real plain boxes. Hope they've updated it or I feel it may fail.
[Windows Phone 7 General] theomni:
That was my point exactly (in an earlier post to vetvito). Something such as the golden ratios is replicated everywhere from the design of a honeycomb to the structure of the DNA. Its so complex with the math behind it, yet it is so simple to implement. Anyone can take the ratio 1.6 and apply it anywhere.

The Quadratic Formula, for example. Its a formula that has hundreds of pages of proof and theory behind it, yet when we need to use it, we just use 1 line. We don't need reinvent it.