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[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
I'm going to take the quadrant formula to move these boxes to the left just a lttle. Maybe I should get some more scientists in here before I make the move. Lets see if Eisenstein wrote a formula theory for this.

Yeah right.

You guys keep talking about the whole OS, when the article is about WHY THE TILES ARE TO THE LEFT.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gom99:
Who's talking about the whole OS? We're asking you what's far fetched about believing that a designer used design principles to design the homescreen. You just seem to be so adamantly fighting against the obvious.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JC_Agga:
Umm.. so if you thought it was so simple idea to put everything on left, why didnt you invent the design that had more stuff on right? Some of the simplest things had to be came up with some of the brilliant minds. Like texting, or internet.

I guess you are the one of those kinds of people who can't accept the reality even though it is prooven and obvious. Like some religious people belive evolution isn't real.. and let's not go to that story.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gerryjoson:
Designers, design a ton of crap also, you only need to look at how unsuccessful a lot of products are.

Golden ratio's blah blah blah, a good example is how welcoming people have been of 16:9 pc screens and wider aspect TV's to see where the golden ratio fails in real life success of goods.

All I see with Metro and the whole WP7 UI is vast amounts of wasted space and the idea that the more swiping you do, the better
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
^ Yeah they try to make the simple things sound complicated. All I see is blah blah to the left.

It's like having a term paper on why you like oranges. You can answer it in one sentence but your instructor wants 12,000 words. Easiest way to fulfill 12,000 words is to fill the paper up with fluff.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
What if you did research on why a group of people like oranges and what makes oranges taste good to some but not others?
[Windows Phone 7 General] eknutson:
Easy there, all that thinking is way too complicated for some. *rolleyes*
[Windows Phone 7 General] gom99:
I actually see the opposite from Metro. I see Metro as being information at a glance. Summary Pages that you can just glance at to see high level data, then you have the ability to drill down to get more granular information. Sure something like a Pivot Control can be used for excessive swiping like Sense, but from what I've seen it's more about going from high level to more detail.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
That's a big "what if", that isn't the question. The question "why do you like oranges" is simple.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
The question of "why" is not simple. You can't just ask people why. You have to study the aspects and compounds of the item and the receptors of the person tasting it and what causes it to taste good.

If you were making a new fruit and you were trying to make it taste good, you could just come up with something on a whim that tastes good to you and call it done or you could scientifically create something that tastes good to most people. When big food companies are creating new products, what do you think they do? This is a perfect analogy to designing a UI.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kloc:
Many simple things are really complicated if you look deeper. Have you ever taken a physics course? When you are given Einstein's formula's they are very simple and easy to do, but if you ever look at how he actually discovered the equations it will mind **** you doggie. I'm sure they did more then just say hey let's move those to the left or forgot to put in a center tag and just decided to leave it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gom99:
The funny thing is I don't find the question that you asked all that simple. It goes into areas of taste and how the brain interprets them that's not fully understood by science. Some people like oranges, some people hate them. What is it that they perceive differently to the same fruit? That's actually very complicated.

Of course you could just say, I like oranges because I like the sweetness with the tartness. But if you're asked to right a paper on why you like oranges you're expected to go deeper than that. And no it's not fluff, it's actually an extremely complicated system of how your tongue and brain interact to come up with things that taste good and things that taste bad to you.
[Windows Phone 7 General] kev.schu:
Not sure why you guys bother arguing with this guy, you aren't going to get anything useful from him.

You are missing his point anyways. He is saying that MS employee's actual SCIENTISTS to come up with this UI. I don't remember the article saying they had scientists doing this, Graphic Designers would be more believable.

So, based on vetvito's real problem "believing MS used real scientists", he is correct, that is probably most definitely fluff. (I wouldn't put it by MS or its pocket book though, they could have hired real scientists for all we know)

Now, onto the part where MS possibly used graphic designers, or some sort of designer that implemented an age old design rule, well, theres no fluff about that, I'd believe there was a lot of thought put into this. (thought and a design class or two, not science). Considering this platform either had to be "amazing" or fail, I'm sure MS spent money on people that had knowledge of these design rules and don't have to use science to implement them in order to make this UI close to "amazing".

I think his biggest problem is that he believes that MS employee'd SCIENTISTS to come up with the UI....Scientists....Graphic Designers maybe, and most likely. If the case he really is trying to bring up is that Microsoft used real actual scientists, then yes, that is far fetched. I dont think the article mentions MS using Scientists thought, I think i saw them say porcupines, but i'd have to re-read it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
It's nonsense to discuss with somebody who neglects basics.

Luckily @vetvito is not an UI designer.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
If I was a UI designer I would have simply moved the tiles to the left. Thats all, its not rocket science.

I would go farther by actually putting information on the screen, instead of numbers and pictures.

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I'm arguing for fun. I could care less about WHY they wasted space. Nothing personal I'm at work bored. The rest of the WP7 forum is more dead than windows mobile.
[Windows Phone 7 General] aurrun:
Well it's a good thing you are not a graphic designer. Judging based on your signature, the world would be one terribly bloated and repulsive place. I guess I can see why you prefer android after all.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Nothing in my sig is bloated. My graphics are to of the line. A lot of people are willing to pay for my graphics.
[Windows Phone 7 General] aurrun:
I am sure anyone who has ever had any formal graphic design training would cringe at the thought of someone paying for work at that level. I am not trying to be rude it's just you are not exactly the best person to critique the design of WM7 when you make everything seem much simpler than it is. Actual designers put in much more thought than you believe and much more than you will ever admit too. Reading through these pages your argument is tiring and weak, and it has become somewhat annoying to see. Please do some research into the field before you criticize and simplify the job of a professional.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Have you seen my work? Do you know what I do for living?

No reason to prove a point but I deal heavily with graphics every day.

I'm done as the fan boys have taken over.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dannback:
Hi

I have HD2 phone and this is the reason for browsing this forum: to see if the WM7 will be ported or not to HD2.

The discussion here is interesting and somehow strange. Do you believe that the Microsoft let something important such as "how it looks" at the mercy of gods?

Try to develop a good UI and make it as if you care. Try some help, MS help, to do that and you will be surprise. They have rules for placing the buttons on the page, how far or wide should be etc. It is a glimps of how far they are in the UI science.

I'm not a software developer or designer. Most of the time I'm a software consumer, but I do some software for fun. Anyone with an average intelligence can obey the rules for some well written program lines, but few can design a good UI.

I think the interface of WM7 is different. In a good way. I'm bored by the same ... adobe looking buttons, apple grids and colors. Sometimes clean means better :)

And this is what I see when I look at the WM7's UI.

Best!
[Windows Phone 7 General] eknutson:
Not entertaining enough at work when it's you who's being critiqued? Throw out an insult and say you're done, simply because everyone thinks you're underestimating what went into developing an OS? Categorically dismiss opposing opinions as 'fanboys' without giving credence or credit to those you are talking to about this topic?

Look at it this way: what's more plausible?

A multi-billion dollar corporation with multiple teams of research scientists who are focused on usability used a widely known and understood aesthetic principle when designing the start screen of their brand new mobile operating system

Some bored guy at work who admits to arguing with everyone for entertainment purposes (and not because he's right) feels that they just moved everything to the left

Smart money isn't going to be on your feelings here.

Beyond this thread, the posts you've had in this forum to date are more like teenage angst arguing with anyone with authority than they are like a software professional discussing a new operating system. Most other forums here at XDA consist of people cooperatively discussing topics, learning together, and advancing knowledge and understanding. Do us all a favor and think about how you can contribute to the community instead of using us for entertainment.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gom99:
Here's a recent example of MS doing *gasp* usuability studies. They do things like that you know.

Touch Mice
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
That's just a bunch of fluff. When they make their products they just pick something and go with it their gut feeling.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
You're my entertainment. To say flat tiles to the left is for usability is hilarious. A better argument is the tiles are flat because it uses less system resources, and they are to the left because people need to know that there is more information to the right, hence the arrow .

Instead of looking at the facts you come at me with BS. Instead of arguing the facts at hand you attack me like a teenager.

When people go against you guys religious following of MS, you attack.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Bengal34:
There's more thought behind it. But basically, flat tiles to stress the minimalism of the look-and-feel of the OS and tiles to the left because we read left to right. You read from the left and if you want to see more you swipe to the right.

Essentially, with good UI design you use a lot of simple concepts but there's a lot of studies and thought behind them to support it and to find out why people like things and find them aesthetically pleasing.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
The problem is you who doesn't acccept basic things.

Ignorance is a really bad habit.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
I know there's more thought behind it. I'm willing to bet there was more of a legal thought than anything else.

The app list is to the right, if it was the other way I'm sure the tiles would be to the other side. This is all I'm saying.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
I'm ignorant for not accepting the same things as you?

Rhetorical.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gom99:
You don't think MS did any sort of usability study on what I'm sure will be the most used thing in the entire Metro UI? Usability and UI are hand-in-hand, and the homescreen is part of the UI...I'm unsure what you mean when you say flat tiles to the left aren't part of the UI.

Also I doubt they're flat like that to save resources since tiles themselves can have pictures and animations going on inside of them. The tiles are way more resource heavy than a simple 3d icon ala iphone. They're flat to achieve a certain look. The UI came from Metro Signs, so that's why they're flat. I doubt it would be resource intensive to add a simple gradient to the tiles.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Basics are facts, they're objective, not just "for me" or anybody.

Not accepting facts is ignorance.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Tell that to the religious.

Jk
[Windows Phone 7 General] freak4dell:
That in itself makes me wish you were the designer for WP7. Maybe you would have actually kept it looking like a computer.

Also, it's funny to see so many people arguing about the way the thing looks. It seems like the limitations and backwards direction of the entire OS would be more pressing topics.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Ruudfood:
I tend to agree with vetvito. People always want to justify their jobs. "Look, I'm a UI designer and I designed it like this because...blah blah blah!".

I'm an e-learning consultant. Some things come naturally to me but for people I meet in my profession even some basic common sense things need to be taught.

Maybe vetvito thinks moving the tiles to the left is just plain old common sense and that you don't need to be some kind of UI design philosopher to come up with this idea regardless of what others might tell you.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gom99:
Except that moving the tiles to the left is not a common sense solution. The common sense thing to do is to put the tiles in the middle of the screen like every other mobile OS out there. Moving the tiles off center a bit has actually proven to be one of the most controversial things in the whole OS UI. Besides lacking c&p and multitasking, nothing is more flamed than the "wasted space".

The article talks about Justifications for the negative space from a design POV. I don't think it's useless to discuss why something was built a certain way. That's like saying it's useless for a programmer to say I designed this using Object Oriented Design. It's not useless and it's not grandiose.
[Windows Phone 7 General] josidhe:
Wow, some of y'all get hardcore offended by the mere notion of a thought that there was a concept of someone perhaps imagining the possibility that a discussion about design took place at Microsoft at some point in the past.

Why not simply say, "Oh, well, maybe that IS what happened, but maybe not, we'll never know for sure, right?"

It's like, some of you are obsessed either with being right or with telling others they're wrong, and if you can't do one of those two things, you'll forget how to breathe.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Ruudfood:
I must admit that I hadn't read the article before I posted. Now that I have read it I can safely say that it really IS a load of utter gonads!

Moving the tiles to the left does nothing from a usability POV no matter how much anyone wants to dress it up. But if you feel the need to give the user some indication that there is more to the right and don't want to use little dots like most other OSes then hey, why not an arrow? And if you have an arrow where do you put it? And if you want users to know that there is more if they scroll down and you don't want scroll bars, why not a tile that's half chopped at the bottom of the screen?

Like I said, common sense!
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gofran:
when i was installing lagfix en root it my swype is gone ? i still can see it but it wont work
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rpritch:
Same here..not sure if it happened with Samset or the lagfix. Either way...im without Swype.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Darkstriker:
Never had that problem.

What firmware, which lagfix, what customROM (if applicable), which root update are you using?
[Captivate Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dpyron:
Is it possible to increase the size of the caller ID picture that comes up when receiving calls? I used a great picture of my wife from our wedding, but was bummed when it was scaled way down into a tiny square when she called. I had hoped it would take up most of the screen.

Thanks.
[Galaxy S I9000 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sensi_:
just need a version that allows Test Mode, anyone have an .exe?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rumessingwitme:
I'm running Ava-V6 with the new Kingklick #7 Kernal and i cant connect to my wifi at all ? I did a wipe and re-installed Ava V6 and still cant connect. Are my Security Setting to strict/strong?

When i type in my password it goes the process then it says Obtaining IP from *SSID* then it just disconnects and so forth in a loop without ever really connecting to the Network.

Can the Evo support these kind of settings ??

Dynamic IP

Wireless Mode- 11 b,g,n

Bandwidth- 20mhz-40mhz auto

Security Mode- WPA/WPA2-Personal(PSK)

Authentication- WPA2-PSK

Encryption- AES

Can someone please help...

Thanks

I did a forurm search and i didnt find anything
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rumessingwitme:
Anyone ???
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wvaj:
Ego does support the settings....out of curiosity, did you make sure to flash the latest radios?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rumessingwitme:
I have all the newest radios...
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] v_lestat:
your wifi settings are pretty straight forward.

and the phone does work with those particular settings you listed.

the big question is have you ever been able to connect to your home wifi?

or anywhere else for that matter?

also dont forget that sometimes the first letter the keyboard types is a capitol letter so if your aes key doesnt start with a capitol letter... well you get my drift
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] m0bmentality:
​

Well here it is, our first attempt at a full theme, right now we are running it on top of and it has been tested on Energy GTX roms 6.5 and 6.5.x as well as his standard cookie.

All parts are working fine on all three devices we build them on , but consider this a phase1 or beta as a complete theme. Reason being is if there is anything you think we should change or any icons that seem to be stock or out of place , we would appreciate the feed back and will be constantly updating it as we find new stuff to add or stuff that people think would look better another way.

Packed so far.

A full Orange Street icon set consisting of 704 sense icon changes. Including all digital clocks and number sets. Slider. Ect

A new action screen.

Wallpapers for the homescreen/ alltabs/ and weather specific wallpapers (we wil lshow you how to use these later.

Coming soon.

A fully OrangeStreet skinned Advanced End Key running via Mr Kurt Willems

A whole bunch of cool stuff designed to work with the latest CHT build

All in all its a fun build with some neat stuff.. so take it , break it, cut it into pieces, use what youd like and toss the rest.. and if you want something fixed or a new icon built, just point it out and one of us will build it or fix it for you asap, those of you who speak manila fluently, let us know the file name and it will be editted quicker.

If you modify or change this in anyway or cook it into anything all we ask is a head nod our direction and a post on this thread letting us know.

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Icons Cab

http://www.brittondelizia.com/josh/OrangeStreetBeta2_0.cab

Action Screen

http://www.brittondelizia.com/josh/TroutMob_Action_Screen__Built_In_.cab

Wall Papers

http://www.brittondelizia.com/josh/OrangeStreetWP.rar

Weather Wallpapers

http://www.brittondelizia.com/josh/Weather2.rar

For now im using my own server to host this so if you want to kick a few dollars our way as a thanks for the time spent and to keep it where i can keep my website up so you dont have to deal with RapidShare or Mega, that would be much appreciated.

​

Thanks TO NRG whos roms we build all this on in the first place, and the GTX devs for any icons of theres we didnt cover up, thanks in advance to Kurt and Dinik for there help we will eventually use to finish this and thanks to those that helped write all the tutorials that made this possible.

To anyone whos stuff we may have used and we didnt say thanks to just PM me and ill be sure to add a thanks to this page immediately.

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Windows level one icons... Not cabbed for auto replace. .but takes only a few seconds with an icon installer like JWMD icon changer.

We will work on a cab later.

34 icons so far...

100% Level 1

100% Settings Level 1

100% Games

100% GPS

http://www.brittondelizia.com/josh/IconFolder.rar
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] conantroutman:
Orange Street Endkey

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Download Cab
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] optiknerv:
Looking good. How did you skin HTC messaging? I see it has speech bubbles in the iphone style. I can't find any HTC messaging skins.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] mwalt2:
That looks like kimi_sae_ireba's messaging mod for sense. I used to use it, but thought it was only for vga.

edit - here's the link: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=6362736&postcount=1295
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] m0bmentality:
Its part of ENERGYs rom.. we just repainted it.. i found it as a standalone but i dont remember where.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] kurt-willems:
Well done;

Nice work sir; and I'm totally agree with optiknerv; The skin what you have done on the HTC messaging window is cool.:cool:

PayPal buttons aren't so difficult to introduce; just don't make use of the HTLM code; it will not work.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] optiknerv:
Ahhaahh. Shame its an old build of HTC messaging. The orange/green mod is nice though.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Lilmike80:
Looks Really good.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] xXJohnXx:
Congratulations with the theme :cool:

Sure looks sweet and fresh.

Greetz. :)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] antoniomistretta:
Great! Great! Great!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] m0bmentality:
The weather wallpapers files are portrait and landscape weather wallpapers set to this theme. .but they are designed to be ran on a lua script we have that is in a beta program we are playing with.. we will be the first to show you how to use them as soon as the beta goes green..

The weather icons are part of the icon pack.. but if some people want just the sun and moon ill gladly post a manila cab with just our weather icons.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] m0bmentality:
Thanks alot man.. means alot coming from you!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] m0bmentality:
I dont know where the build is from but i know its kimi_sae_ireba's messaging mod and we just repainted it.. Energy puts it in his roms instead of HTCs and i like it... i run a combination of this and windows version depending on what im doing.. and they both run seamless and glitch free (unlike the preinstalled htc messaging stock)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] conantroutman:
thankyou everyone for all the kind words and a big thanks to m0b for all the hard work hes put into this project.

its good to see this released at last....

as promised il release some more goodies tomorrow....

thanks again :D
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] izalcoman:
great , is great this theme , could you share the sun please , congratulation for your work
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] conantroutman:
thanks man :D

yes, if m0b doesn't beat me to it then il post a cab for you tomorrow.....
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] m0bmentality:
Here is the moon and sun manilas.. once conan cabs them we will add them to the first post.. but for now here are the manilas you can inset then with cfc_gui

Moon

http://www.brittondelizia.com/josh/0fed33be_manila.png

Sun

http://www.brittondelizia.com/josh/48bf00db_manila.png