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[EVO 4G General] fachadick:
Sorry, I wasn't offended by your specific post, it just happened to be the first one, so I jumped on it. I applaud your donation to Regaw, and again, beleive that Regaw deserves every dollar he gets, and hope that he'll be able to help out on the EVO side of things like he did for the Hero (i'm going to try and throw him a few bucks later myself)

The point I was trying to make was that the bounties weren't "for the individual that helped me directly", they were for who cracked root. In this case it the exploit was found by someone not invloved with XDA, and the root method was developed by unrevoked as a team. Unrevoked, as a team, discourages personal donations (as per their website) and asks people to donate to EFF instead.

If someone helps you directly, by all means, shoot them a donation. They deserve it. All I'm saying is that the bounty threads have to go - if a bounty says that the donations will be going to X, and people commit, they should be donating to X (or who X says should get the donation).

Hope you didn't take any of that personally...
[EVO 4G General] fachadick:
I agree with everything you said here 100% (although I've got a soft spot for the EFF - it's my experience that most people don't even know who they are or what they do).

I think donate links are a great way for the community to give back a little to those who they feel deserve it, and Regaw is at the top of that list (along with with the guy who simplifies the root process, the creator of that great theme you're rocking, the dev who'se killer kernel gives you 4 days battery, or whose rom makes using an android device that much more enjoyable for you). I just have problems with all of the bounty threads that seemed to have cropped up in the last few weeks.

edit - just reread your post, not sure if you were implying that I pulled out donating to EFF out of the blue - it wasn't my idea, they're the ones that the Unrevoked team says should get donations instead of them.
[EVO 4G General] nicholaaaas:
really to me it seems like unrevoked has little to do with it. the dude who found the exploit that lets you revert back to 2.1 deserves all the credit for this. all the various unrevoked versions used were already being used to their capabilities that were already know

also just because they who found it isnt a member here why should he get the money?
[EVO 4G General] fachadick:
This is also true, but since we're unable to donate to the person who directly found the exploit, the next step down would be the team was able to use this exploit and be the first one out to develop a root method with it. As I understand it, without this new exploit, unrevoked wouldn't have been able to add the new radios for the Evo to unrevoked, and unrevoked versions prior to 1.1 wouldn't have worked.
[EVO 4G General] HondaCop:
Which came first... The egg or the chicken? Once you all find an answer to that question, then you all will know who to send the damn "bounty" to.
[EVO 4G General] fachadick:
right - but folks aren't donating to either the egg (Sebastian Krahmer) or the chicken (EFF, by way of unrevoked).

Yeah - I'm probably over reacting again, but dammit, those bounty threads pissed me off.
[EVO 4G General] HondaCop:
I know bro. I've been opposed to them since they first started popping up around here. I'm ALL for donations and paying for hire.. I just can't stand this "bounty" crap.
[EVO 4G General] nebenezer:
Nope, didn't mean to imply that. I know Unrevoked promotes them and with good cause :)
[EVO 4G General] fachadick:
no worries - btw, I just tried to donate to Regaw through the link in your sig, and I keep getting a "Fatal Failure" error - tried with different browsers. Link problem?
[EVO 4G General] maxomus:
and one of them was looking for device donations to help further his work(2nd blog post)... hmm, I bet that bounty would help.

I would think it (bounty) should go to the root of the matter...that was a bad one, but seriously who you have to thank for finding the actual exploit...

Sent from my phone.
[EVO 4G General] nebenezer:
hmm, that sux.

I'd ask him but I know he's asleep right now, he was delirious this morning after writing that guide last night :p

I'll try tossing him another couple bucks and see if I get the same error.

*edit- Fixed, thanks for the heads up!
[EVO 4G General] fachadick:
actually no.

the originator was Sebastian Krahmer, who never implied that he was seeking donations (and doesn;t even post on this forum), and Unrevoked goes out of their way to expicitly discourage donations, and tells people to donate to the EFF instead.

Those bounty threads did nothing but piss people off (possibly myself more than others), start arguments, and clutter up the forums.
[EVO 4G General] fachadick:
np - I just ended up hopping into the guide thread, and used the link in his sig instead.
[EVO 4G General] maxomus:
Bounty threads are nothing but trouble agree with you there, but he was looking for device donations I believe.

Sent from my phone.
[EVO 4G General] nebenezer:
He's right, but they are accepting actual devices, not donations for the purpose of buying a device for themselves because they are 21 year old college students who have a gift and are sharing their talents with us as a hobby...

And I IN NO WAY meant for the above statement to minimize Sebastian's work.

Directly from 743C's website:

Oh yes, and I agree, bounty threads are bullcrap. Fundraiser threads on the other hand... :D
[EVO 4G General] fachadick:
If you're referring to Regaw, yes he was. But there's a big difference between putting a donation link in your sig and bounty threads. Especially when most folks don't follow through with their pledges. I REALLY don't wan't anyone to get the idea that they shouldn't donate to Regaw, they really should, but it shouldn't be an "instead of" scenario. For the folks who pledged in the bounty threads, to fulfill their pledges, they should be sending their donations to either Sebastian Krahmer (who doesn't post on this forum) or the EFF as instructed by the Unrevoked team, if they want to donate to Regaw after, great.
[EVO 4G General] jt1394:
Even though Sebastian didn't specifically ask for donations to go to the EFF (or really for donations period), donating to the EFF still does help him and those like him.

The EFF is the first to defend people like Sebastian when they get sued by giant companies who don't like reverse engineering. Without a body like the EFF, small developers would not have the resources to fight and would be forced to cave in to corporate demands.

If Sebastian says where he wants donations to go to, by all means send them there. In the interim, don't feel like donations to the EFF don't help the developers of this root. In a round-a-bout way (but also a very real one) they do.
[EVO 4G General] fachadick:
YES!!!

The fact that it's now implicitly legal to root your phone at all is thanks to the EFF - this is on top of all of the work they've done outside of the cell phone world in the realms of fair use, free speech, and securing your privacy rights.

Sent from my blah blah blah blah
[EVO 4G General] Minjin:
I don't see a problem with bounty threads. It is capitalism in action. The talent tends to go to where the money is. Can there be unintended consequences? Sure. Instead of collaborating, people might work separately and hence the result may by slower or not as good. However, these unintended consequences aren't certain and may be outweighed by the positive benefits.

Are there people who don't care about money? Sure. But I think most of them do. They have simply have gotten accustomed to not getting paid for their fun hobby and have rationalized themselves into thinking that not getting paid is good.
[EVO 4G General] fachadick:
This isn't an issue with capitalism. XDA exists and was founded on the principle that people should have a forum to freely share the tools and methodology that they develop - without bribes or money entering the picture. If devs want to charge for their work beforehand, or people are looking for some sort of dev for hire scenario, that's fine, they can go elsewhere. My opinion is that every bounty thread is a slap in the face to what XDA is supposed to stand for.

for the record, in this case, "the talent" didn't "go to where the money is" - Sebastian Krahmer isn't even a member here, and the unrevoked team specifically mentions that they don't take donations.
[EVO 4G General] Minjin:
If people are charging money for a service, it should go in a marketplace. I would entertain the idea of bounty threads going there as well. I don't think it's a slap in face of what XDA stands for and I think it is a little presumptuous for you to claim to speak for the morals or beliefs of the entire forum.
[EVO 4G General] fachadick:
I agree, the marketplace would definately be an approriate place for all of that. I never claimed to "speak for the morals or beliefs of the entire forum", though. Thats why I used the qualifier "My opinion is that...".
[EVO 4G General] regaw_leinad:
I really don't care who donates to who.

I think anybody can do whatever they want with their own money, no matter if they "pledged" an amount in a bounty thread. Half the time people just say that they'll pledge money so the total will be raised!

By "pledging" in those threads, no one signed anything saying that they have to pay up, or be banned...

I made this rooting guide so people could have their favorite ROM back on their EVOs. I was not expecting anything out of it, other than the satisfaction of knowing I was a part of thousands of peoples lives today (some good experiences, and some trouble ones).

Yes I've received a few donations today. Partly because I have been on 24/7 helping people out, even doing teamviewer sessions to get people rooted.

The moral, don't let anyone tell you who to donate to. Choose yourself, you'll feel better.

Also to clarify, unrevoked did not turn this exploit into full root. I did last night. This exploid.c exploit was created by Sebastian Krahmer for the Droid 2. After we found out that it would dump into a root shell on the EVO, I took it into my hands and got everything working again, nand unlocked on 2.2 and reflashed to 2.1. It took over 6 hours to get the first guide out, and I'm still editing it and making it better and easier. Again, I did not write the code for the Droid 2 exploit. I did however translate this to the EVO and get everyone back to their custom roms. If you just "ran this exploit" you would have nothing more than a root shell. No unlocked nand, no nothing. I just put everything together. I don't care about credit going to me... As long as my guide works for everyone, I'm happy.

Wow, that's longer than some of my college papers haha

-Dan Wager
[EVO 4G General] nebenezer:
:eek:

damn, mah boys all growsed up...

well said Dan
[EVO 4G General] garyfunk:
I am happy to have donated to both. Having met most of the founders when I was at Boardwatch Magazine, I am very happy to support the EFF. As for Dan, well, I am always happy to support a kid that does such great work. Thank you Dan. And a big thanks to the unrevoked team.
[EVO 4G General] fachadick:
This. This right here is the point that I was trying to (unsuccessfully) make. This is what I feel its all about. I never intended this to be a "what's xda all about" thread, or even a thread about who gets credit for what.

I was hoping to show that pledging never works out they way you think it will, and based on the information available at the time, to see who would step up and donate to the eff.

Hopefully bounty threads are something that we'll see less of going forward, because I don't know about you guys, but I think that some people get too emotionally involved.

In other news, how freaking awesome is Dan? Thanks for clarifying - you definitely need to get your hands on an EVO, and spend more time on this side of the house. I know you say it doesn't really matter to you, but hell man, you deserve some serious kudos for what you pulled off.

Sent from my blah blah blah blah
[EVO 4G General] MrDSL:
Thanks again Dan for taking the time to do this. While I am rooted now you just never know when you may need to do an exchange etc and be stuck on 2.2..Now I don't have to worry about it :)

I got you covered ;)
[EVO 4G General] xHausx:
Why don't you donate to Sebastian Krahmer since he is the one who deserves it? There is a link to donate to him in the Droid 2 rooting thread
[EVO 4G General] fachadick:
100% - didn't notice that until late last night, but wasn't able to get to a comp to update the op until this morning.
[EVO 4G General] :
It always gets me when people call it donating, like we're giving to a Church/or Charity of some sort. This is Mobile platform development, we arent making the world a better place, just some geeks(including myself) happier. We are paying the devs for their time, and effort, I dont have a problem with that I just dont like seeing the word Donate being thrown around so much, like its a Charity case, or worth while cause.
[EVO 4G General] Sporkman:
i did not ! but ill be surprised if the full amount is donated
[EVO 4G General] fintheman:
I wasn't a pledge but I donated to Dan W.
[Vibrant General] robavila721:
What the hell is up with all the fighting going on in this forum. A lot of people seem to ***** and moan about every little detail. It seems that whenever i go in to the popular threads like. Eugene's, or the lag fix, etc. and hit the last page, there is a lot of arguing going on. Can't we just be patient and content with what we are offered by the awesome work of the dev's we got. If we continue to ***** and moan about every little thing all they are going to do is work for themselves and maybe a couple of close friends and leave us out because all we ever do is complain. I know we are all eager to use our sweet ass phone to its full potential, but its going to take time. Just look at the g1 and how long it took to have it running at full potential and beyond. All i'm asking for is peace in this thread and make it a pleasure to come in here and read about new developments in peace. [end rant]
[Vibrant General] junkdruggler:
thread reported

...twice for good measure
[Vibrant General] georgegreco86:
Right on the money

You hit it right on the money.STFU people. Your not dev'n your bit**in, casuing it to slow down. We would porbally have CM6 if people would quit there yappin. Go play outside.
[Vibrant General] bmj1086:
I sincerely hope you don't believe this thread is going to stop anything. This forum has been the same for many years and It will never change. This forum is full of children and they're all going to argue and fight. Your best bet is to ignore it and continue to what you're doing. Posting a thread like this puts yourself right down at their level.
[Vibrant General] kboater:
for real. Im not sure if 75% of people on xda are children, but 75% are definitely childish.

i have never seen so much childish like arguing, fighting, and comments in my life

If people posted their age (real of course) I would assume that the large majority are 12-17.

threads like this never seem to actually change anything, but it does make me feel a little better to see a few people not acting like 12 yr olds.

Im not getting all 'high and mighty' but i think i act like a 'normal' person (not a whiny brat).

--not saying that younger people should not be here, or course they should, they just should not act so stupid, aggressive, impatient, disrespectful, immature with the comments
[Vibrant General] smashpunks:
Coming from ppcgeeks this place is a war zone. I actually stayed at ppcgeeks even when I had a nexus one because everyone here is so rude.

You make a new topic and God forbid there's been another one days ago made, so now everyone jumps on your case hard core.

Unfortunately I have to come here cause ppcgeeks is mainly cdma ..

But it took a learning curve coming here.. gotta put on war paint to make a thread or even a post..lol
[Vibrant General] robavila721:
or if people want to argue about silly little things they can use this thread or make one thread just for arguing, if thats what gets you off, but leave the development threads clean and only post about relevent things dealing with the actual thread

p.s. Thanks Mods for moving it to the proper forum
[Vibrant General] elkavayo:
Welcome to the internet and the power of anonymous posting! Nothing works better than a mask to hide behind and do and say things *most* people wouldn't do or say face to face.

Luis
[Vibrant General] martin0641:
Cool story bro.

Sent from the Matrix
[Vibrant General] PREZNANDO:
Funny all the *****y haters didnt post yet.....hahahaha
[Vibrant General] larryccf:
noticed it myself, and suspect some of it is due to feelings of inadequacy on some posters' - literally

there's one poster that 90%+ of his/her posts are rude, illogical and slamming on someone else's post - i've started to suspect that poster just needs to feed his/her own feelings of self-importance, and a keyboard is an easy & convenient tool
[Vibrant General] dex1701:
Waaah! My phone don't work! Waaaah! People won't stop complaining! Waaaah! People don't do the things I want them to do!

You know what complaining about complainers gets you? More complainers. Yeah.
[Vibrant General] s15274n:
Yeah?!?!?!

Well F you for starting this thread BRO!!!

/sarcasm :)
[Vibrant General] robavila721:
F everyone i'm done [throws vibrant out window] going back to the g1:cool:
[Vibrant General] joe.kerwin:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=765441
[Vibrant General] heygrl:
I guess we should all be happy with beta-at-best quality work just because we're "lucky" to get the attention.
[Vibrant General] smashpunks:
any phone has issues. Hell if its not the GPS its something else. N1s wacky touch screen that sucks, Droid x locked bootloader, evo separated screen and frame cap, etc.

No matter what there will always be something needing fixing or in samsungs eyes

OPTIMIZATIONS lol
[Vibrant General] robavila721:
lol nice example
[Vibrant General] boborone:
I read the title as "missing patches". Haha, I thought you were gonna be whining about no patches for gps or something.

I agree tho, been thinking it was just the captivate side with all the iphone people new to xda. I actually thought of leaving and coming back in a couple of months when things settle down.

Sent from my captivate
[Vibrant General] jz9833:
From what I see a lot of the pissing matches comes when 1 person has a different opinion on something and everyone has to tell him/her that is wrong.

I do agree though no one should EVER ***** or complain to a developer.

However if someone states a flaw without going oh my god this ruined my phone, but only just states it I don't see why everyone has to try to jump on them (usually the case).

For example in one thread I stated that I missed froyo and I hate that the Vibrant doesn't have it yet. Someone asked me what i missed, I answered with exactly what I missed and examples and I got jumped on for being impatient about developers releasing it. Never once did I say I wanted CM or any develeoper to release it (in fact I want it directly from Samsung), but the pitch forks came screaming those aren't big deals and and i needed to stfu and wait for a developer to release it.... which was never my point.

Too many people think there way is the only right way to think. Its rather annoying to see how far people will go too. Also I find that alot of people in these pissing matches don't read entire posts which I find funny because 1 person is usually arguing with someone who has the same general opinion but slightly different and they make it out to be a night and day difference.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mightykc:
I tried to use the camera while on a phone call and the phone says I can't do it. Does anyone know a way around this or how to fix this?
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mightykc:
anybody know?
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] s15274n:
Same if your battery is low. Not sure how to do a work-around, but I would imagine Cyanogens Rom would take care of it.

Curious.... pics while on the phone?
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dq13:
Maybe u r in a call asking for how to fix something and they tell you "move the lever" and you say which one, there are two, so he asks what model number is ur thing and u have no clue so u wanna send a pic but without losing the call? ??
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] junkdruggler:
thats what fring calling is for...

but yeah this is only the 2nd instance i have heard of this needed/wanted if there were more demand for this than it might come native... does the HTC/MOTO phones allow this? I have never tried before...
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ElahC:
Oh yeah I was on a phone call the other day and wanted to show my friend something while still on the phone. I think this would be useful.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] junkdruggler:
have you tried a 3rd party app out of the market? Its worth a shot...
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mightykc:
Actually this came about because my buddies at work here all have Androids and we harass the pi$$ out of iphone users. Well one of the damn iphone guys found that their iphone can take pictures while connected on a call, and android can't. :mad:

I do actually see the usefulness of needing this though.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zerosource:
Haha, yes, we do need this function working! :mad:
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zelendel:
I cant believe this was left out of Android I have been able to do this with every phone I have had for the last 3 years. Both my HD 2 and Moto Q9h bot can do this.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Raptr.121:
I have a Moto Cliq and I'm able to use my camera and record video while in a phone call, but I cant remeber if I was able to before I rooted my phone so it might be a SU or a ROM ability.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ogerisg321:
The Cliq allowed you to do it before rooting or anything.

That's one of the big issues I have with the Vibrant :confused:
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Owenv:
I have FX camera from the market and it allows taking pictures while in a call
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Troy1:
Thanks for the tip.:D
[Desire General] PeteW:
Hi,

Noticed the default browser seems a little less stable after upgrading to Froyo.

On some pages it just dies. Can open the page fine in Opera Mini.

Emailed HTC support and they suggest a hard reset.

Didn't expect that to work and I was right.

Anyone else seen this?

Here is a page which causes a crash for me. Please try it and see if it does the

same on your Desire.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-11079055

Thanks

Peter
[Desire General] DavieMarshall:
I've seen it crash out on some pages. Sometimes just the scroll is completely disabled and unable to be used. A bit annoying to say the least and I've found no fix to it yet.
[Desire General] s4vva:
I have noticed it too, it seems it happens when on a bbc (could be others too) site with more than one flash video content window on the same page.
[Desire General] elbowz:
Yes crashes for me too... seems to be related to Javascript - the page will load if you disable it...

Only seems to happen on BBC pages... only half joking when I say its a deliberate anti-Android measure from the Apple-loving BBC...
[Desire General] emzed:
Same here. Especially when being brought to the browser via HTC Peep or Seismic.
[Desire General] spud_work:
Same here, have had lots of crashes to desktop with stock froyo when loading www.bbc.co.uk/football
[Desire General] PeteW:
Thanks all. HTC's response of send your Desire back for a repair now seems like a poor answer from them. Did anyone notice this happening before the 2.2 Froyo update?

Or perhaps someone on 2.1 can see if that link crashes now.
[Desire General] jimmymagix:
This has been happening ever since the 2.2 upgrade.

Wonder if HTC will acknowledge its the firmware, not the hardware. Was fine before. Also, if you disable javascript, load the page, then re-enable it and refresh it'll often play the video without crashing, but as soon as you navigate to another page and try to play another video, it's back to the homescreen!