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[Epic 4G General] nmezib:
I tested the GPS on the Epic, it works. You have to make sure to enable wireless networks (it's disabled by default) in the settings -> Location and services (or whatnot, don't have my phone on me) and the AGPS works just fine. Regular GPS is a bit more spotty if the wireless networks setting it off. MOst of the time it draws a 2 km-wide circle that isn't anywhere near I am. *sigh* at least it's on the right planet.
[Epic 4G General] shep211:
I did have it turned on. The agps is better then the other sgs's but the gps works the same. The Epic will need the new gps driver from Samsung in September to really fix the gps 100%.
[Epic 4G General] Ozamandis:
Looked But Didn't Buy

I realize this thread is about the Epic but please forgive my reference to the Samsung Captivate by way of comparison. I took a Captivate for a one week trial before returning it to AT&T. There were just too many problems with the phone. Besides the GPS problem the battery lasted just short of a day and a few of the other apps had some minor problems. In summary it appeared like the operating system, as implemented by Samsung, was an advanced beta not a finished product.

Early this afternoon I went to a Sprint store to hold and review the Epic. The GPS problem was still present and the operating system had not improved over the Captivate.

The slide out keyboard is made of plastic and while it appears sturdy when new I seriously doubt it would last the two years of a forced contract. It might be a good option for someone coming from a Blackberry but I personally prefer the virtual keyboards of the Captivate simply because there is nothing to break.

Both phone are good beginnings but I will wait until Samsung fixed the bugs in their implementation of the Android OS on their Galaxy Series phone, and releases the Android 2.2 update.
[Epic 4G General] orateam:
You can always go the droid2 way. I'm currently on this phone debating whether to get the Fascinate and i really like it. The keyboard is super solid as is the entire phone. it will last 2 years easy. It has Swype keyboard, is superfast, and slight smaller and easier to hold. It's probably a hair slower than the Sammy's, but i have yet to play any game on it or video that is choppy. With it's brightness up, it's screen comes to about 75% of the AMOLED vividness. Plus it's already on 2.2 since Motorola and HTC put more $$$ behind their old phones than Sammy. Even the original Incredible and Nexus one are already on 2.2.
[Epic 4G General] shep211:
I was going to do a captivate vs epic but I have nothing good to say about the epic so I am not going to post a review. Everything thats makes the captivate cool the epic lacks. Like no 16 gig internal storage, slow lagg fix(keeps up with stock captivate), crap back cover, flat\no space keyboard, dim and gray video\pic quality, just as bad gps as the others, no video playback with 3.5 mm jack, no micro usb to hdmi, roms from other sgs phones wont work & missing tons of core apps. I will be returning it Wednesday.
[Epic 4G General] aim1126:
You keep saying the camerqa quality is not good but I took some pictures today and they all looked amazing and at least ten times better than my evo
[Epic 4G General] xenx:
Frankly, it sounds like you're trying to paint a bad picture for the Epic.. One that doesn't fully exist.

Yes, it doesn't have the internal storage of the others. It might be an issue for some, but not for everyone. But yes, it is a step down.

All signs I've seen point to the lag fix not being necessary for the Epic.

Back cover... really? Well, to each their own.

The keyboard has been largely heralded as one of the best. If you don't like physical keyboards, that's fine.

Everyone is saying the GPS works great, except for maybe you and a VERY minor crowd.

No TV-out, got that one... keep it.

Roms are a community thing. There isn't a large community for the Epic yet, it just came out. As for the rest of the software, it'll come.

So all in all, you might not like it as well as the other GS phones.. but you're trying too hard to make it look like a POS.
[Epic 4G General] itsmebryan:
Well when you find that perfect phone let the rest of us know. Coming from a modded fuze this phone is great so far. I just need to transfer my contacts and outlook. My wife loves the epic and can't wait till she can upgrade. I'm going to leave mine stock for now. I have been on wm for the last 5yrs and it will take a while to get use to android. Ps I'm typing on my epic.:-)
[Epic 4G General] shep211:
Sorry but its all true. I have gps videos that show it working just like the other sgs phones gps but I figure no need to post them and rub it in. Just wait a few days and you will see tons gps sucks\fix posts. Only agps is better on the epic not gps. I have done tests with captivate with lag fix vs epic and the epic is slower for sure. I cant find one thing thats better on the epic then on the captivate. I am not a fanboy of the captivate either. I really wanted to like the epic since I get 30% off from my work discount.
[Epic 4G General] sling:
Headphone jack lack of video out was something I could deal with hack rom could more then likely fix.

GPS is a different story though , its by far the worst on any smart phone Ive ever used.

Google maps on my 9630 , 9650 & EVO would put location within 2 - 10 meters on a stormy day.

Epics at 30 meters not a cloud in the sky. That almost 100 feet off target :eek:

Those that claim no issue with GPS may want to truly test using Google maps & post your findings.

If you don't know how to test its pretty simple,

Crack up google map select the Find my location Tab.

Blue indicator will blink on map showing your location.

From that point give it 30 seconds then tap on the blue indicator and it will display distance info.

Please report your findings.
[Epic 4G General] abanh:
I tested the gps on my brother's Epic, and in my tests gps was flawless when using Sprint navigation. When I opened google maps it placed my location a few miles away. Sprint navigation picked up my location almost instantly and this was indoors.
[Epic 4G General] sling:
Telanav provides fast fix its just the way apps built but what is Epic providing

Not much when it comes to satellites.

Another test proving Epic GPS fail,

Enable telanv wait for satellite loc then select (Share & more) , (Diagnostic Tools) & (GPS Status).

You will then see pop up that provides your satellite loc info.

Im on the east coast 11:45 PM - Virginia Beach VA not a cloud in the sky and only getting 10% 1 Satellite loc which is bad stuff guys...real bad.

At the least 4-6 locs are needed to provide some fair accuracy ,On my BB 8330 , BB 9630 , BB 9650 & EVO I got up to 9 locs.

Samsung failed to FIX GPS issue in their Galaxy line up and Epic users are now a part of it. Will Samsung throw us some updates to fix issue? hmm seeing their update track record I wouldn't expect one anytime soon if ever.

I think this is a hardware issue....it has to be , GPS chip their using is junk.

Anyway I really like this device got charger doc all the goodies but it has to go back.

Those that are going to stick with it , Good Luck.
[Epic 4G General] gamescan:
I've got the cell network disabled for location info. The phone is just using the GPS.

In my unscientific tests:

Google navigation (while driving) was spot on.

My Tracks (on foot) had me more or less spot on most of the time. According to the map I did ocassionally walk into the middle of the street (which didn't really happen) but sidewalk to road is WELL within the standard margin of error for a consumer GPS receiver.

Google Maps (on foot) accurately placed my location as well. It had some issues in the city, while walking on the street with tall buildings on either side but no more so than my Mogul or TP2 had. When you're in the city you will get some bounce due to signal reflection.

Signal lock has always happened quickly as well.
[Epic 4G General] shep211:
Please remember that your first few gps tests will work. After loading a new rom most people dont see gps issue until a few days after. This has been true on all galaxy s phones.
[Epic 4G General] shep211:
Some gps videos I made while working today. Epic gps worked 1\3.

epic gps fail 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7HUQAKg6Lc

epic gps fail 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV1Na51Dy5A
[Epic 4G General] gamescan:
I've had the phone for a week. GPS is still working fine.

Stock ROM, no root.
[Epic 4G General] sling:
I was going to root this weekend but its a waste of time
[Epic 4G General] shep211:
You must not use it a lot. I work onsite and use gps to get to every job. There are some videos a few post above this one that I recorded today after a few hours of gps testing. It has the same issues the other sgs have but agps is a lot better with the epic. I hope Samsung fixes this issue with the new driver thats coming out in September.

Edit: Stock epic rom with no root
[Epic 4G General] itsmebryan:
I thought I was the only one that noticed that. I seems like he didn't like the phone even before it came out.
[Epic 4G General] hydralisk:
I pretty much ignore everything he says now. He has something against the Epic and doesn't want people to like it. He'll continue trolling the Epic boards even though he's giving his phone back.

Hmmmm.... I dunno... let people enjoy it? I freaking love it. Moreso than my Evo so far. Maybe I don't use the GPS EVERY MINUTE OF EVERY DAY OF MY LIFE but so far it works great. I used it to get to work today (just to test... I know how to get to work) and it performed perfectly. No issues.
[Epic 4G General] itsmebryan:
I was really on the fence with this phone. I have been using HTC WM PocketPC for over 5yrs and I didn't know if I wanted to switch to Andriod or wait for Win phone 7. The finally deal breaker for wp7 was the lack of expandable storage. So far this phone is great. It's fast, the screen is amazing , and the main reason for the switch I'm getting better reception then my AT&T service. The TV out doen't bother me. I have 4 PC and 2 are laptops and I have every game system and a gaming pc rig to play games. I mostly use the extra features of my phone when I'm away from home. I hope you guys find a phone that will make you happy.
[Epic 4G General] shep211:
I didnt post videos of the epic getting destroyed by the captivate in every way because of respect for users that may have the phone and like it. I didnt start any epic fail threads to rub in that every thing i have said turned out to be true. Can I not inform people that the epic gps sucks and has tons of features and apps missing? I would like to know about this if I was looking at buying epic vs any other sgs phone. Sorry the truth hurts but it is what it is.
[Epic 4G General] orateam:
I think of this thread as a source to educate those on the fence still about buying one of the top flight androids. I've had 4 androids from all 4 carriers in the last 4 months and have finally settled on the Fascinate.

I think the Galaxy S is the best of the best. From there, its a matter of network preference and the small diffs between them.

For me, any of the Sammy's would do. If i had to rate phones based on those i've used or played alot with lately (all but the fascinate) it would be.

Baseline Aria =1, the sprint Hero would be a - negative where i start these phones.

EVO = 4

iphone 4 = 5

Droid X = 6

Droid 2 = 7

Captivate = 8

Epic = 8.3

vibrant = 8.5

Fascinate (speculation = 8.75)

I don't give out 9's easily and no phone is perfect.

EVO -Even though I like HTC, i've only really tried their EVO of late and it sucked. Poor battery never was resolved after 2.2, crappy 8mp camera, etc...

EPIC - Got to play with it some yesterday ( i did have it pre-ordered) so the sprint guy let me try it for an hour. thought it was VERY VERY similar to the other Sammy's i've had.

My negatives : were 1) the worse battery life. Playing with it for an hour reduced the battery by 50%. On the vibrant and captivate, my worse hour only resulted in a 30% drop. 2)cheapy feel. The captivate had the metal cover with easy slide and the vibrant came with multiple cool back covers. This was just plain jane plastic. Keyboard is not even close to the droid 2 keyboard in quality and overall build was typical Sammy which is a good notch below the Moto droids.

Overall the Epic is a Galaxy S and i'm thrilled with the Galaxy S. It has a flash (fascinate will have that), hotspot, (fascinate will have that), front camera and keyboard.

I know the keyboard will be little used by most, so the front camera and sprint plans have to be the reason to get an EPIC. And really, the network, price, should be the ultimate factor when it comes to galaxy s.

Featurewise, the captivate and Vibrant are equal but the vibrant has 2 back covers and Avatar. Plus they don't lock down the market. so the vibrant pulls out slightly ahead of ATT.

Here is my final thoughts on the Epic and the galaxy S.

If you're a traveler (All but EPIC with no TV out.) Verizon has the largest coverage band so fascinate may be best here.

IF you're a student (same, the t.v. out hurts again if you want to show a pdf or presentation using google presentation)

If you're a gamer (EPIC, keyboard big plus)

If you social network a ton, (EPIC, front camera should help for quick snaps and socialization)
[Epic 4G General] ttieder:
Anybody having a wifi issue and slow 3g issues with there epic
[Epic 4G General] YellowGTO:
So did you guys get BT3.0 or BT2.1? All the other SGS's have 3.0
[Epic 4G General] ttieder:
My 3g keeps shuttng off anyone else having that issue
[Epic 4G General] LordLugard:
I kind of got the same feeling. He (or she) hates/dislikes the phone and is determined for others to hate it as well, even those not experiencing whatever he says he's experiencing.
[Epic 4G General] Eazail70x7:
My 3G shut off maybe a 3-4 times since I've had the phone but usually only for a few seconds. I noticed that the phone has yet to switch to 1x (2g). I'm wondering if thats why it drops off? Usually it would go to 2g if your 3g drops.
[Epic 4G General] b15love:
the only thing this phone lacks is memory and the video out feature. everything else is subjective..and if your talking about apps and camera. the vibrant is better.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/22/...ew-shootout-captivate-for-atandt-and-vibrant/

most people here have researched this phone. so stop beating a dead horse.
[Epic 4G General] bobdude5:
are you kiddddingg me :/// thats the main reason i wanted this over the evo :(( i dont have an hd tv so hdmi is useless to me ...why the hell would they leave that out those bastards..have we established if it was hardware or software?
[Epic 4G General] itsmebryan:
I have not got that yet. I'm in Los Angeles and I can say in just two day I have had better coverage then I do with AT&T.
[Epic 4G General] itsmebryan:
I don't get how you can be a mod for a phone you don't like. So far this now first Android phone and I'm loving it. All this time I thought when WM was great with modded roms. But, the truth is no matter how good the rom they all have issues. This phone just flies I don't even notice touch wiz, I have yet to see a lag, My GPS works for me, I don't care about the rear cover because I have a hard rubberized case for my phone before I got my phone(its $6.95 shipped on Ebay) and it work get. This phone is lightyears ahead of my old phone and I'm glad I waited. This will give me time to see how wp7 works and I can have a great phone while I hold while I wait my next upgrade.
[Epic 4G General] hydralisk:
Keep in mind that some of the features left out can be added back in later. The Epic's Touchwiz is obviously not the same as on the other SGS phones. However, they may update it to match the other phones with their 2.2 update. I'm confident that we will get these features back. Until then, I'll continue to enjoy my Epic's epicness.
[Epic 4G General] m5james:
I'd like to know for sure as well...I'm tempted to go play with the EVO in person before my 30 days runs out. For as much as I stream music in the car, I'd love to be able to play movies as well since my car stereo hates playing movies via SD. My Epic would be the perfect phone if it could, but after reading all 14 pages of this thread, I'm no closer to an answer. The thread went from TV Out to GPS woes (I experience them as well, worse than the Moment I had before) to people *****ing about opinions given...on a public forum. Dee dee dee!! Some like the Epic, some don't...the truth may set you free, but at first, it's going to piss you off. So what, the Epic isn't perfect, but as orateam suggested at the bottom of his most recent post...each version has it's own pluses and minuses based on each users needs. Problem is that each version is tied to it's own network, so while my GF has the Captivate (but she's in Abu Dhabi for work, so I can't use it), my only other choice for TV Out is the EVO.

I just wish we could get a CONCRETE answer as to TV Out working or not. I could careless about 2.2 (I've been on 2.1 for this long and been completely fine), MediaHub (ever heard of Hulu or emule/sharethefiles...who pays for movies these days?!) and I don't have DLNA devices (spend another $1000 on equipment for the living room...again, no), so TV Out would be awesome to have.
[Epic 4G General] m5james:
Maybe it just doesn't like your car...shoulda got an ///M ;) My phone did the same thing one time driving to a friends...running down the highway and it was jumping around all over the place on roads that were like a mile from me. People can say you're hating on the Epic, but video doesn't lie kids.
[Epic 4G General] churro7:
yall are suggesting samsung isnt good with updates cuz of a low to midrange moment? epic is part of their flagship galaxy s line i doubt they will let it rot
[Epic 4G General] m5james:
I wouldn't call the Epic the flagship of the Galaxy S line since it's missing both TV-out and HDMI output while other "lesser" models have these features. That's like calling the 7 series the flagship of the BMW line but only being able to get navi in the 5 series. The Epic is a good phone, but it doesn't have EVERYTHING that some other phones feature.
[Epic 4G General] churro7:
so you get a phone for tv out? while itd be nice how many people will use it?
[Epic 4G General] m5james:
I'd use it everyday if it had the TV-Out function as I could use it in my X5 for displaying what's on the phones screen onto my stereos screen. I use the Epic for everything from navigation to streaming music, so I'd love to be able to reproduce the image on the screen. I could carry tons of movies onto the SD card instead of having to bring DVD' and/or putting them onto an SD card (which the stereo doesn't even like playing), making my phone something that I could use even more.

Considering the Epic the ONLY phone in the Galaxy S line that doesn't have it, it sucks. Just because it has a keyboard doesn't mean it's the flagship, it just has an option the others do not. How often would people use it? That's a weak arguement...just because YOU wouldn't doesn't mean it's not important to others. Your missing the point...flagshipmeans it has EVERYTHING features wise, the Epic simply does not. Period.
[Epic 4G General] churro7:
i never said it was the flagship rather part of the flagship galaxy s line lol

hmm i dont see the tv out option on sprint website

so no tv out makes the epic such an awful phone dang.....wait evo has it....while i dont care bout it maybe 2.2 update will enable it. same as the dormant fm radio etc

but my point wasnt because of tv out it was of a post saying no love for samsung cuz they didnt support the moment as much as they should and it wont happen with the flagship galaxy s line.

and given it (for me) hasnt had gps problems as the others but hey it happens each phone has it flaws
[Epic 4G General] m5james:
Actually, you did say it was the flagship of the Galazy S line, but you've since edited and reworded your post and I never quoted you to prove otherwise.

I realize Sprint's website doesn't mention TV-Out because it was Sprint's choice to not have that feature so it wouldn't compete with the EVO in the first place. I was just making the point that (based on your editd words) that the Epic is not the flagship of the Galaxy S line since other phones in the line have either the TV-out or HDMI...the Epic gets neither.

I never said the Epic was an awesome phone, so don't put words into my mouth for sake of making your arguement. I think it's a great phone, especially compared to the redhead stepchild Moment that I first had. Once 2.2 comes out, at this moment we only know for certain that we'll get audio for those who purchased the Media Dock so they can use the 3.5mm jack on the back. So, my point is still true...the Epic is not the flagship.

I'm sure the Epic and other Galaxy S phones will stop "getting love" once phones come out supporting Android 3.0, and we'll fall to the same demise the Moment suffered. Thankfully boards like this will keep us somewhere update where Samsung and (insert providers name here) dropped the ball on further development to focus on newer projects.

My phone suffers the same, if not worse, GPS issues compared to my Moment...but then again I'm still running DG27 on a rooted phone with only a Kernal. I have yet to do either of the DI07, DI18 updates and custom ROM's and Kernals.
[Epic 4G General] Firon:
You really should upgrade to DI18. DG27 sucks.

As far as TV out goes, reportedly the SoC that the CDMA Galaxy S phones have doesn't support TV out. It wasn't a Sprint decision.
[Epic 4G General] ZenInsight:
Just wanted to jump in here and let you know that on stock DI18 with the cold GPS start hack/fix (takes about 3 min) the GPS works perfectly. I have been chatting about the no tv out issue in another thread in the general area. People don't get that an exact duplication of the phne screen is different than hdmi out. I hope 2.2 gives us the tv out .
[Epic 4G General] churro7:
lol

i just read that the epic is the galaxy s pro? why is that cuz of the kb?

and still i stopped caring about this argument as the point was being part of the galaxy s series their current flagship it wont suffer the fate of the moment

and shame you didnt quote me on otherwise same thing just reworded to make sense better grammar matters!
[Epic 4G General] Jed Dignazio:
I would and use and NEED it everyday!!! Im so used to having this feature as a usefull everyday tool on my Touch pro 2, that I feel my phone is crippled now and this is the #1 con for me with this phone and on the verge of bringing it back. I passed on the Evo just because it lacked this feature. I actually could care less about the limited HDMI output unless it mirrored the entire video output like the 3.5mm tv out would. I used the component out tv feature daily for things like in dash display car stereo for navigation/music, etc, my twice a week poker tournaments are much better with the poker timer app displayed on a large screen, accelerometer controled games on my bigscreen or car, easy hookup to any tv at relatives houses for picture/video viewing, streaming Slingbox to any tv, anywhere.

I was mislead into thinking this phone had component tv out. I have called Samsung several times and get the same answer which is, yes it does support tv-out via headphone jack, just go to settings/display/tv-out. It should be there. Then I always have to explain that the settings are not there in the Sprint branded version. Then their like oh, really please hold. One woman even had an early Sprint branded version on her desk at Samsung and said I dont know why its not on your phone because the one she was looking at the options were indeed there, so I still believe the hardware is in there waiting to be enabled.

I hope this will get figured out soon.
[Epic 4G General] deisel:
if you have a high end stereo in your car with big touchscreen you should be able to stream it to the radio w Bluetooth a friend has the T-Mobile Samsung whutever and does that all the time
[Epic 4G General] deisel:
http://www.daydeal.com/product.php?productid=45332&cat=5123
[Epic 4G General] deisel:
http://forum.sdx-developers.com/epic-development/odin-3-flashing-a-kernel-experemental!/