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[XPERIA X10 General] damirbusic:
To be honest, iPhone 4 has great camera, perfect HD videos, great screen, build quality like no other phone on the planet and other is also ok, web browser, mail client. Only thing that I hate about that phone is that damn iOS which looks the same since iPhone 2G from 2007. If iPhone could look like Sense or any Android phone we must agree that it will be the best phone out there. But I dont wanna get flamed, after 3 generations of iPhone in my possesion I really hope to have something new :)
[XPERIA X10 General] jerrytea:
I don't agree with iPhone 4's "great camera" the pictures look very "dreamy/foggy"
[XPERIA X10 General] piercewei:
iphone is a great phone but not a great smart phone because of lack of multitasking. so it is just not comparable with X10.
[XPERIA X10 General] thunderpossuem:
What, out of curiosity, is the home replacement that the gorgeous white phone is running in the start up/raging thunder video?
[XPERIA X10 General] damirbusic:
They look WHAT ?

http://www.gsmarena.com/apple_iphone_4-review-490p8.php

My X10 makes perfect photos when I am outside and especialy when it is sunny but inside they are mediocre, at best. When I saw HD video recorded with iPhone 4 my jaw went down, love it or hate it, I also dont want to have iPhone again but that are the facts.
[XPERIA X10 General] damirbusic:
It is not comparable with X10 with Donut ? Ok, X10 has 4" screen, looks way nicer, especialy in white, big screen and white are far more better, thats why I have bought it over iPhone and Desire. BUT, this "no REAL multitasking" phone HAS:

1.) faster OS

2.) better photos in low light

3.) HD videos of perfect quality that Eclair could not do on our phone ( I hope Im wrong), Desires Froyo HD video is a laugh.

4.) better screen ( I am not talking resolution wise, everybody compares Galaxys SAMOLED and Retina, that says you enough )

5.) better bulid quality, iPhone 4 does not have real competition here, Desire is close but iPhone is like literally made from 1 piece of glass/stone, amazing. I am getting sick&tired of squeeking noise from my battery cover

That says that X10 is not comparable to iPhone 4 with your logic...SE flagship vs Apple flagship, that IS comparable.

I have defended X10 till now but I really dont care about this freakin update anymore, I just want to have complete and up to date phone, I have X10 for 3 months, the phone is great but SE does not care about it so much, it is more important to lauch X10 mini, maxi, mini pro, X8 than make their flagship phone a FLAGSHIP. I dont need phone up to date because I suffer from having the latest OS but Froyo brings speed, tethering and few other things that we dont have on Donut from the box.

Just my 2 cents, I am beginning to be realistic, not like iPhone blinded sheeps..if nothing, GalaxyS is better than X10, sad but true coz I hate black iPhone lookalike phones that is GalaxyS.

Cheers to all...
[XPERIA X10 General] Infinity1988:
Seems like you believe all the marketing talk of Steve Jobs.

1) the iphone os is not faster than android, maby it's on par. In some things it's a bit faster on some things it's a bit slower.

2) I doubt the iphone 4 takes better pictures in low light, but the technology behind the backlit cmos camera of the iphone 4 was invented by sony 2 years ago. So it's nothing new. The camera of the x10 has beautifull colors and is 8mp instead of 5.

3) The fact that you compare the iphone 4 camera with the camera of the desire shows that you don't know what you are talking about. The camera quality of all HTC phones are crap. They have a purple haze and lack details. The quality of the X10 video's is much much better. Besides the camera quality has little to do with the android OS, the htc cameras just suck, even if it would have the iphone OS.

4) The iphone's screen is nice indeed, but isn't a reason to buy the phone if you compare it with it's massive flaws.

5) The battery cover of my x10 doesn't make any noise, maby you should take care of your things. The iphone is made out of hardened glass, but that's the reason why it will break more easily when it falls. And they seem to have a lot of problems making a white iphone 4. Their antenna is also one of the biggest fails in cellphone history.

Btw, the iphone 4 os has things that Steve Jobs brags about that existed in android for more than a year. And even my sony ericsson K750 had multitasking. I still wonder why the iphone sells so good.
[XPERIA X10 General] pngface:
While we are all iphone bashing, :D let me add that my SE Walkman phone that I bought 3 years ago had bluetooth file transfer, and the iphone still doesn't support it
[XPERIA X10 General] mipepim:
Sony Ericsson Indonesia last announcement : 2.1 Update will be available on Sep 21. we can go to Sony Ericsson Shop or Sony Style for the update or we can update by ourself.
[XPERIA X10 General] chris_knows:
My 4 year old SE Walkman phone would have pop-up notifications for texts, which was pretty annoying. Fortunately, it could multi-task, so it wasn't a big deal :p
[XPERIA X10 General] berbecverde:
Well if we ended up talking about Iphone let me tell you my version of the story:

Sony Ericsson makes how many mobile phone models ? 100, or more? and they all work just fine.:D

Apple? 1? and you can't even make phone calls with it?

And you say it is the best phone around?:)

This is a F****G joke.:mad:
[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
To be fair, the iPhone 4 makes phone calls perfectly fine. The internet blew up the problem to be far worse than it really is. (surprise surprise)

I wish I bought an iPhone 4, so I wouldn't have to deal with the immaturity that is the Android community.
[XPERIA X10 General] damirbusic:
Grow up, for once in your life !

1.) 3GS is almost faster than my X10, my X10 has ****in LAGS sometimes !

2.) Dont get me techology, take the photo with iPhone 4 in low light and post them in direct comparision to X10 !!!

3.) With what do you want me to compare HD videos ? What Android handset ? Galaxy S ? It has Froyo and Hummingbird processor so what do you want ? Samsung Omnia HD stutters on HD recordings, Vivaz maybe ? iPhone has the best framerate and the best video quality till today on the phone ! Post me links that says different !

5.) Your does not make any noise ? Do you really have white X10 !? Hardened glass is great to see but not good in real life while falling, antenna is also major flaw but they wil fix that until white unit is out. iPhone has its flaws, it is far from perfection but the advantages that it has only an idiot can refuse to see.

And what about multitasking, for real !? We have it so we can kill tasks with Task Killers !!!! Only thing that should work in background is IM and navigation programs.

I know that you are 16 years old but trust me, there are many things that iPhone has better than your phone, just deal with it.
[XPERIA X10 General] 17mayis:
Wait magic date 14.09.2010 !

android 2.1 for x10
[XPERIA X10 General] Nimche:
where that came from?
[XPERIA X10 General] piercewei:
I might dont make my point clearly. I agree that Iphone is great and all your defending words reiterated its greatness.

However, the thing I'd like to stress here is multitasking. A phone without multitasking wont be a smartphone forever. In this forum, we are talking about X10, a smart phone. So I suggest you go to the non-smart phone forum to post your ideas, thanks.
[XPERIA X10 General] poundcake7:
How do you know?
[XPERIA X10 General] jingkailim:
Ya how you know? 14 sept!? Tt the day i entering singapore military school .

Crap now i need to wait for 2 to 3 week to be back to update><
[XPERIA X10 General] becks232323:
Is this a guess....or official confirmation
[XPERIA X10 General] bushbox browser:
One point about multitasking. You don't need to use a task killer with android. Apps running in the backrground don't use much in the way of resources other than ram, and having full ram is a good thing. The way android (and linux) is designed, the more apps running in the background the merrier, and that's why android does'nt close apps and has no task manager as standard, android does'nt need one.
[XPERIA X10 General] damirbusic:
Yea, Android does not need one but when memory is full the battery goes down.
[XPERIA X10 General] Tjotte:
The battery is run down faster WITH taskkillers since the device will have write a whole lot more to the ram all the time.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
Welcome to SE. I suffered the exact same thing through my P900a, P910i, X1i, and the X10i. I told everyone back in April to dump their X10's. But the hard core first time SE users kept quoting all the SE hype BS. And, ignored long time SE customers like myself when I said don't hold your breath.

SE's M.O. is to fool you into buying their product with the latest hardware. Than they slowly drive you mad by limiting the performance with out dated software. Than they release their next device just after they give you the update they promised months ago, and than they suck you into buying that one with even newer hardware and software, and repeat the process all over again.

What's the point of being the first out with the latest hardware if you are always the last out with the latest software? Can't even run something as simple as flash 10.1 without the 2.3 and, that has been out since beginning of June. And sure, coming to XDA and learning to build your phone the way you want it is great fun, but this is over kill and it gets old.

I will never buy another SE until it has been out, public tested, and with the latest software. And, since I know SE are not going to change until users stop buying their products, I guess this is fare thee well SE. You have managed to do everything you could to alienate your loyal customer base and, I personally have had enough. So much for nearly 10 years of customer loyalty. I will find a company that appreciates and rewards thier loyal customers.
[XPERIA X10 General] consolation:
Shows how little you know, the guts of ios & android multitasking are the same, just exposed differently. Frankly android could use some tightening with respect to which apps can launch persistent processes. I'd kill (not really) to have my gf's iPhone 4's battery life.

Sent from my X10i
[XPERIA X10 General] damirbusic:
It is disgrace that SE told for their flagship device 6 months ago that it would get Eclair for 6 months and Froyo will NEVER be on the handset, litteraly at the launch on X10 they make that clear and X10 was outdated AT LAUNCH. HTC, Motorola, Samsung, EVERY producer has told directly that they will give Froyo till the end of the year and they all are on Eclair as soon as they can, retards in SE need 6 months to implement polished Eclair on the device. Because their Mediascape and Timescape ?? The phone will look 90% the same as today so what do they need to tune up for Gods sake ?? This SE policy makes me sick, you want Froyo, ok, wait for X20 and buy it. iPhone 2G is after 3 years out of updates, till 4.0 firmware you could update your old 2G. I also think that this is my last SE phone, iPhone, Galaxy S, HTC Desire, they are all better, up to date and not forgotten by their developers. ****, Apple makes computers, laptops, iPads, iPods, iPhones and still they manage to update their device regularely, and fckn SE makes only mobile phones and the time crushes them like retards...
[XPERIA X10 General] naplesbill:
First of all, Sony has already committed to Froyo on the X10.

What I find even funnier is that you give props to Apple for updating their devices often. They only do one major update per year. So, by your estimation, as long as Sony updates the x10 within a year they are updating just as fast as Apple.
[XPERIA X10 General] emuneee:
I'm going to jump in here and say Apple updates their products regularly...he didn't say often. If you buy an iPhone 4 today, you could reasonably expect to have 2-3 yrs of software support. And outside of the major releases, Apple does release minor updates to fix bugs, etc.

You buy an X10 today and you might get 6 more months.

Jumps out...lol. :p
[XPERIA X10 General] bushbox browser:
Full ram dose not drain battery quicker than empty ram.
[XPERIA X10 General] naplesbill:
While that may be true, the topic here is waiting for update and using Apple as an argument for not having to wait is what I was getting at. BTW, the Xperia has received several minor updates as well. 014, 020, 023, 024, 026, etc.

There is no way to know how much support this device will receive from Sony. I think that really depends on how well it performs in the market. Do you think Apple would be providing updates to a device that didn't sell well? How many updates are enough? I personally only care about the next year or so. The Smartphone devices are getting better and better and being the techno geek that I am, I will always be getting something better. I am happy for now and 2.1 will be enough to last me until the next device comes along.
[XPERIA X10 General] jingkailim:
i dunno why. but your speech moved me. you defense x10 so well. any way chill just a forum. no point get so work up. to me iphone win cause of the app available there. i haven got 2.1 so i can't tell how 2.1 app/game going to be like
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
I can tell you from owning both devices that the Apple product does not need as many updates. Because they did not release their product (4G) with a 3GS software build. Which is basically what SE did with the X10. I spent nearly ten years being frustrated with SE waiting for my new OS, so I can finally appreciate the device. I used to tell myself they were advancing so quickly that I just needed to stick with it. But after nearly ten years of waiting, SE has never paid back my loyalty.

The 4G is already better and already giving me more than I got or would ever get with the X10, even when it is updated NEXT YEAR to 2.1

I read someone say that the X10 with 2.1 will be 90% the same device it is now. I disagree, I would put that more like 95%. How can SE make the customers wait a year for an update that will ensure the phone stays out dated? Nuts!

And, to the 21 year old engineering student who lists out all the updates SE has promised and than compares this imaginary future device to what else is actually on the market right now. Let me just say this. I have been in your shoes, wait for the updates and than compare those that you really get to what is actually on the market then. But don't hold your breath. SE does the same thing with every flag ship device. I know I have owned four of them.

lastly, to the person who said it is easier for Apple because they only have one device. No one is making SE build 80 different devices every year. Maybe SE should get a clue and drop 80% of their product line and have more resources dedicated to releasing completed products! Instead of trying to fool people into continuously buying out dated material.
[XPERIA X10 General] damirbusic:
Where is that info for Froyo ? I didnt see it, sorry.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_version_history

This is one major per year ? Dont think so. I give them props for having the latest firmware for 2G who has landed 2007, you think that you will get Android 5.0 on your X10 on 2013 ? Trust me, you wont !
[XPERIA X10 General] naplesbill:
Honestly, Android 1.6 is from last year, which is when development of the X10 began. I would understand your point if it had 1.5. I will gladly wait (repeating myself here) for a solid update than get an update full of bugs and mistakes. The update to 2.1 will happen next month and not next year. The 2.2 upgrade will not really be of concern to the majority of people. In all actuality, neither is the 2.1. It's only people who feel the need to have the newest that even care. I can promise you that if you asked the average smartphone user about their OS version (on any device or OS) they will not have a clue.

I have used 2.1 and 2.2 (cyanogenmod) on my Droid (work phone). There is no real apparent difference between the two. There may be some performance improvements but they aren't the second coming of Christ. Also, since this phone doesn't have 512mb of RAM, the improvement will not be as dramatic as it will for some devices.

The bottom line for me is that while I do want 2.1 or even 2.2, it is not affecting my ability to use the phone. I returned a Captivate (with 2.1) for the X10 knowing it only has 1.6. In all reality, it hasn't caused me any issue at all. The X10 performs much better with 1.6 than the Captivate did with 2.1. This would suggest that Sony has taken more time to make sure things work properly than Samsung. Samsung is just pushing out specs while sacrificing quality. I'll take quality anyday. This will certainly spark debate, but having owned six Android devices and an additional three hacked Android (WM phones) devices, the X10 is by far the most stable and best performing for me.
[XPERIA X10 General] damirbusic:
0.) Have you ever seen iPhone with iPod aplication running in background ? It does that since 2G !!! It has PERFECT controls on wired headphones, it runs on lockscreen, it gives you perfect experience, now I dont know how to go running with this phone, no buttons on headset, no lockscreen controls, DISASTER !

1.) Have you ever seen gsmarena browser comparision ? iPhone 4 is on par with Galxy S on Froyo !! X10 is not near Galaxy S and especialy not near Froyo.

2.) Face recognition ? Is that the service that FORGOTS names on the photos ? And who need that for real ? Ok it is neat but no one is crazy about it. Those photos are great, nothing to say about those. I am sorry, iPhone has better still images than Galaxy:

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i9000_galaxy_s_vs_apple_iphone_4-review-500p4.php

3.) Vivaz iz Symbian, not Android. Dont know about focus and WB but it makes great photos and videos especialy.

http://www.gsmarena.com/apple_iphone_4-review-490p8.php

I really hope that X10 HD videos will look like this...

4.) I have had black one and it does not make noise, every white unit makes it. I didnt say that iPhone 4 is perfect, it is expensive, this antenna issue is disgrace etc but it has its advantages over X10.

5.) Yes, Android is better for me too, no question about it but I really feel stupid watching what my bros Desire on Froyo can do and how fast it is.
[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
Apparently SE is so slow that they're not updating to made up OS versions that don't exist.

I know you hate SE dude, but get a grip. SE isn't going to update to something that doesn't exist.

SE has stated multiple times that "Future versions will be implemented after the 2.1 update is released." which implies 2.2 and beyond.

Also, now you're also making up facts. The original iPhone is not supported by the latest firmware. It's stuck on 3.1.3. As is the original iPod touch. The iPhone 3G was updated, but, lacks all of the features of the new update, besides folders, and turns the phone into mush.

Please, it's all good if you want to bring up facts to support your argument. I only ask that you use real facts and not ones you make up to bring the opposition down.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
To naplesbill,

I really respect your point of view. However, I do not agree with you on every point. But I also understand that there are plenty of users like your self that are either satisfied with your device as it is, or satisfies with the promises.

Basically, I think that there are plenty of users, like you say, that will not know or care what the differences between 1.6, 2.1, 2.2, or 2.3 but than again those consumers are for the most part purchasing based on looks, with little to no regard for anything else. And, that is fine.

We did not know back in February that the 10.1 release would require 2.3. We didn't learn that until June. And, we also did not know at release that the 2.1 was planned for Q4 (which we long time SE owners know is code for Q1). SE did release that statement fairly quickly, but it was unfortunately delayed by a few weeks ;)

The IPhone 4 was HTML5 at release, nothing to wait for. And, nothing to cook! I call that job well done. As soon as I learned about the flash limitation that is when I knew it was time to dump my X10 for something else.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
To iead1,

First of all let me say long time no see, hope as is well.

I am only going to address the point you made about revisions. I usually keep phones between eight and 18 month's, so if Apple never update the 4's OS it is fine by me. I will jump device next summer.

As things stand I am using the latest right now, and not having to wait for anything.

I know that SE has promised 2.1 in Q4/Q3. But I have followed their broken promises for nearly ten years. And the 2.3 is out in Q4. So if by chance you do get the 2.1 in Q4, the 2.2 is already out (no biggie), and the 2.3 is out at the same time. Why would I want to own a device with 2.1 when there will be newer devices running 2.3? Just thinking about the future.

And, in terms of waiting. Why wait for the 2.1 with the 1.6 device when you can wait for the 2.3 with a 2.2 device right now?
[XPERIA X10 General] Infinity1988:
Sorry can't understand a word of 0).

1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjKe2GW1UNg never is the iphone 4 faster than a htc desire in browsing. At 3:08 it even lags behind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yeT0ykVwac The desire is the same hardware and software as the nexus one, as you can see the x10 is as fast as the nexus one in browsing. It's sometimes a tiny bit slower, sometimes a tiny bit faster. So the iphone 4 is not faster, it's slower.

2) It's not perfect, face recognition is very difficult for a computer to do. But it does show that sony ericsson is one step ahead of the competition with their cameras. Why do you compare it with a samsung galaxy? This is a X10 thread, you claimed the x10 photo's were worse. It looks like you just randomly pick phones to compare so the iphone comes out better.

3) As i said before, it doesn't matter what OS the phone has. It's the quality of the cmos sensor that desides if the photo's are good or not. The vivaz camera hardware is the same as the X10, so it will shoot the same videos and it will be better than an iphone 4. I still didn't find a reason to buy an iphone 4 instead of a x10. Especially if you look at the ridiculous price tag.

4) The only advantage i can think of is the higher resolution of the screen, wich i don't think is a big advantage, and a front camera.

5) The x10 will have froyo in the future, and it sucks indeed that we have to wait a long time to get it.

Don't forget sony ericsson had some nice innovations in the past. TrackId for example : many people think apple invented it, but sony ericsson did.

Bluetooth was invented by sony ericsson. They were one of the first(if not the first) to include a light sensor. I think they were one of the first with multitasking.

Because the 1.6 device is worth waiting for? Updating from 2.1 to 2.2 doesn't take a lot of time compared to 1.6. So we don't have to wait so long. Also the x10 has android 1.6 but the kernel is from android 2.0. This means that they customized android 1.6 to work as good as possible. I thought i read somewere that sony gives 2 years support for their phones. I don't think that's bad.
[XPERIA X10 General] berbecverde:
I really love this threads:D.

they make my day.

after a stressfull day i come home , read this threads and the stress is gone.:p
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
You already have 1.6 mate nothing to wait for! 2.1 to 2.2 is meaningless to me. But glad you think it won't take long for the update. Also, Timescape is next to usless. Unless of course you were hammered out of your mind and are trying to remember what you did yesterday.

Really glad you are happy with the 1.6. Sounds like you got the right phone for you. Just please stop comparing the X10 with features it does'nt have yet. As for updates, I am glad you still believe. From owning four SE flagship devices in the last ten years I would just offer that you don't assume anything. And, forget what they say. Because they are never on time!