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[Vibrant General] demo23019:
Yea well most people who visit a developer site tend to finagle with hacks, fixes, tweaks, roms...ect

Seriously why even bother coming to a developer site and complain.

Especially if you dont plan on messing with your phone

I myself can wait my phone is fine and like i said before froyo isn't anything special.

This same thing went on over in the N1 side of XDA for sometime when froyo was delayed from google.
[Vibrant General] MMcCraryNJ:
Well, typically manufacturers take more than 1 month to design, plan, build, test, and release new hardware.

So my point is that the Galaxy S was designed on and built on Android 2.1. All of the internal building and testing, for months, was done on it. It was released with it because stuff like this takes time to build and test. If you made phones for a living, or even researched how it's done, you'd realize that.

People like you would be the first one to complain if they had delayed the shipments to the carriers, say 7-10 days, to quickly get Froyo on them, and end up with a lousy, buggy, un-tested phone at release. Not to mention, if Samsung did that to their most-invested in handset release yet, it would be department suicide. If they had waited to release the phone, they chance becoming irrelevant and outdated upon release (ie. SE Xperia, which btw you should be glad you have a much better phone)

I mean, wouldn't you rather have a tested and 97 percent bug-free phone, rather than booting it up, having the UI be screwed up, force closes, radio issues, etc.?

If you want to complain about it, why don't you instead spend the time researching to how program Android, and put Froyo on it yourself? It's more productive that way.
[Vibrant General] MacGuy2006:
Good for you.

If you are happy buying half-baked products with delayed updates, and relying on the kindness of strangers to fix things in their spare time, that's fine.

Some of us expect more when we fork out half a grand for a device.

Maybe in the future you should ignore threads with titles like this.
[Vibrant General] lolcopter:
how is it a half-baked product? because it doesn't have froyo yet? that's laughable
[Vibrant General] MacGuy2006:
Uhm, let's see:

- because it lags in stock;

- because the GPS is broken;

- because Android OS is still a work in progress, thus the rapid releases through 3.x, after which Google said it will deem it mature enough to go to a yearly cycle....

I don't know what products some here came from, but you got to get your expectations a little higher.
[Vibrant General] lolcopter:
i'm not experiencing any of those issues, and EVERY OS is a work in progress. if you don't like your vibrant, i suggest you RETURN IT and go back to your iOS sandbox
[Vibrant General] MacGuy2006:
LOL. Maybe you haven't "experienced" them because you are too excited about your first smart phone and you don't even know what to look for.... Or you just came from WM6, or just have very low standards.

Whatever the reason, the issues are there, as the the myriad threads about them, as well as the various hacks trying to fix them.

And you obviously have no clue about iOS, either.
[Vibrant General] darkknight49:
id rather have samsung take a bit longer and have a stable version than have them rush one out and have it be laggy and buggy.
[Vibrant General] Kubernetes:
Of course, you could always just migrate to a phone with antenna issues on the worst network in the country. I mean, nothing half-baked there!

IMO, the only thing that needs real fixing right now is GPS. Other than that, the phone works as advertised. The beauty of the Android community is that most stuff is fixable without Google's or Samsung's input. Lag? Fixable. GPS fixes have been tried and all failed, which is why I think an official GPS fix is the only thing that's really troubling. I understand your frustration if you require a working GPS, but for those of us who came from non-GPS-equipped phones it's not a huge biggie.

Also, if you think it's half-baked because we're not on 3.x, every Android device in existence is half-baked.

I'll be super happy when Froyo gets here, but the Vibrant is still a great phone on Eclair.
[Vibrant General] PaiPiePia:
Apple original iPhone OS was on a yearly cycle from the very beginning, was it mature enough during the 1.1 days? Nope, but Apple still runs it on yearly cycles.

Lag and GPS, I will give them to you, because there is no excuse for them especially that "they spent months testing the phone".

However, this doesn't mean that the phone overall is bad or useless.

In fact, you are not seeing where this phone shines over the others. The beautiful screen, the ability to play various music and video files without conversion and the various shortcuts that Samsung added to make life easier (quick keys to various toggles in notification bar), etc.
[Vibrant General] lolcopter:
i've owned an ipod touch for the past 2 1/2 years. piss off
[Vibrant General] Oniyuri:
I know that a lot seems to be broken but that's the nature of open source development - stuff is always gonna be busted. Right now I'm using a Vibrant that's completely stock and the only problem this phone has is the GPS and that will be taken care of by samsung when the

y said it would. This isn't about having high expectations, it's about knowing what you're getting into before buying it.
[Vibrant General] MacGuy2006:
Not to diverge, but even Google admits that Andrioid OS is not as polished as it should be. There are still too many UI inconsistencies, and Android is still not as elegant as iOS.

This is why Google is making lofty statements about 3.0, and why they hired Matias Duarte from Palm -- 3.0 will be the point at which Google itself will consider Android mature, with a revamped, polished UI. It will then be good enough to go into more "normal" development cycles.

I like the phone, I actually have two versions of it and I chose it to replace my iPhone. But I want it to be a step forward, not a step backward.

These delays don't bode well for the future, IMO.

For what it's worth, in Los Angeles, at least on the West Side, my experience is that AT&T provides marginally better coverage than TMobile, particularly on the data side.
[Vibrant General] MacGuy2006:
Wow! And this makes you an expert on the iPhone, and on what to expect from smartphones in general?!

Go kiss your new phone again....
[Vibrant General] Kubernetes:
This is why Google is making lofty statements about 3.0, and why they hired Matias Duarte from Palm -- 3.0 will be the point at which Google itself will consider Android mature, with a revamped, polished UI. It will then be good enough to go into more "normal" development cycles.

This is just Google's MO. Note that Gmail was "beta" for how long? Doesn't mean it's unusable or half-baked, just that Google doesn't consider it quite finished. At least they're honest about it... did you think iOS was polished when the original iPhone was released? Shoot, many people don't think iOS was in a really good state until iOS4.
[Vibrant General] lolcopter:
You have to jailbreak iOS to make it worth a ****, that much I know. I like and use apple products every day, but some of their followers drive me up the wall. Have fun *****ing about your new phone and setting everything at unreasonable expectations. I look forward to your future contributions on this forum
[Vibrant General] MacGuy2006:
Oh, but I am not arguing that iOS was perfect when it came out, although Android has been around for a while now, too.

I am simply arguing that there are still some significant issues, and Samsung should be be more on the ball than it is, considering their statements regarding the significance of the Galaxy S to their strategy.

Again, Samsung has considerably greater control over much of the hardware used in the Galaxy, than either HTC or Moto have with respect to their products. Which should have made it easier for Samsung to react fast to OS upgrades.

I am also talking about 3.0, because some here are content to give Samsung a pass if they don't upgrade the Galaxy to it. Which is almost disturbing, considering that the hardware should fully support 3.0.
[Vibrant General] MacGuy2006:
LOL. Really?! Like what, copter? Tethering, maybe? Oh, but you couldn't even afford an iPhone, so you wouldn't know. :)

And "unreasonable expectations?" Like working GPS and an upgrade to an OS version which has been out for 3 months?

You got to work on your self-esteem, dude....
[Vibrant General] lolcopter:
Funny, my gps navigated me to a bar I've never been to before just fine last night.

Jailbreaking? How about proper multitasking? Google voice? Facetime over 3g? sbsettings? Apps outside of the approved sandbox? Pretty much allowing the platform to live up to its potential...
[Vibrant General] lolcopter:
Lol, make fun of my income which you really have no idea about. Stay classy
[Vibrant General] MMcCraryNJ:
THANK YOU! Finally some common sense in this thread.
[Vibrant General] MacGuy2006:
Uhm, how exactly is this different than rooting in practice?

And are you people saying that we should all be content and never dare to ***** about the fact that Samsung can't get drivers written for their flagship phone 3 months after OS 2.2 was officially released (and was presumably available to manufacturers for testing long before that)?
[Vibrant General] darkknight49:
Lol, this thread is going places.

Sent from my Galaxy S using the XDA App
[Vibrant General] pavvy:
I hesitate to wade in here, but the (contradictory) point above gets to what I think is the crux of the matter -- isn't Samsung NOTORIOUS for not updating their phones? So, knowing that, why would you buy one, and then jump on a message board a few weeks later to ask "where's my update??" It seems so weird and masochistic...

Before I bought the Vibrant (after plenty of deliberation), I had read a LOT of people complaining about how Samsung let them down by failing to deliver promised updates on that earlier phone (Behold II?).

And so I'm fully prepared for the possibility that the company might be slow to update this one, or never update it at all. I expect they will bump to 2.2 eventually; maybe not beyond that. I'll never hold my breath, though. (Heck, I'm more interested in "fixes" on some Samsung software bugs/quirks that have nothing to do with the Android version -- I feel I'm "owed" that more than I'll ever be owed an OS upgrade.)
[Vibrant General] MacGuy2006:
Or, maybe people just bought Samsung's promises that they are finally serious about storming into the smartphone market, with great hardware and full support and all.

I am actually fine with waiting for a month or so more, but don't think there is anything wrong with people complaining that Samsung is late with fixes and upgrades, while almost every other recent phone got bumped to 2.2.

I would be seriously pissed if there is no OS3 upgrade, though, since that one is a major one, and the hardware supports it.

Just curious, why do some feel the need to pepper a a legitimate ***** threat with *****ing about other people *****ing? If you are sooo happy with your new toy, stick to fanboy threads.... :)
[Vibrant General] pavvy:
Because what fun is a ***** thread without *****ing about other people's *****ing!!
[Vibrant General] KerryG:
The core issue is whether you buy a device based on what it IS versus what you think it SHOULD BE at some point down the road. Every person complaining about Froyo bought this phone with the knowledge that it came with 2.1. The Droid X which came out on the same day doesn't have 2.2 on it yet either.

While I WANT 2.2 and 3.0, I did buy this phone knowing full well it was running 2.1 so how can I ***** about anything right now (GPS fix and lag being the exception). Newer phones started develop after the Galaxy S so they were designed with Android 2.2 earlier in the development process.

During the Galaxy S launch Samsung said 2.2 would come at the end of summer, they have stated that fixes are coming this month. We have seen a leaked ROM with updates and fixes. Where have they done wrong with the Galaxy S....yet.
[Vibrant General] rsfaze:
If you feel you have the right to ***** go find a Samsung forum and ***** there. You may be entitled to ***** about what you feel is slow development but make sure you are *****ing at the right people.

Coming to XDA which has NOTHING to do with Samsung and *****ing about Samsung is pretty freaking stupid. What do you think you will accomplish by this?
[Vibrant General] MacGuy2006:
Uhm, maybe enlighten people who are considering a purchase among different phones, and come here to gather information....

As to buying a device for what "it is," while true, we all dicover what we like or dislike after we have owned it for a bit.

I personally find the UI still a bit clunky, there is still intermittent lag even with the fix, and the GPS longer to lock that it takes me to get to some destinations. Oh, and the battery life sucks.

At least some of these issues are likely to be fixed by 2.2, and more, including the UI idiosyncrasies, by 3.0.

So, yeah, I think I have the right to expect that my $1,300+ (2 phones) investment will benefit from these improvements, as long as the hardware supports it.
[Vibrant General] rsfaze:
you have the right but NOT here. What in the world makes you think XDA can solve your Samsung issue?

And people come here for developer info not to come here requesting that developers fix this and fix that. Once upon a time the only people that came to XDA were actual developers, those times are long gone.

As far as what you paid for the device has nothing to do with your expectations, that's the 2nd time I've seen you put a price tag into your equation which does nothing to strengthen your argument.

Would you go to a Ford dealership to complain about your Chevy expecting them to do something about it?
[Vibrant General] MacGuy2006:
You do understand what "General" means in this section, don't you?

For what it's worth, I personally have always researched phones I was interested in here, since the info is from actual users, not from paid reviewers. I am sure many others do so as well.

And the price does matter, when I see dimwitted arguments that the lifespan of a smartphone is less than six months, and we should not expect support after that. If it was so, the carriers would allow subsidized upgrades every six months, but they of course don't.
[Vibrant General] rsfaze:
when I say here I mean XDA not general, development etc. You could post your ramblings about how the phone sucks and needs every upgrade in the world in every sub forum on XDA and guess what? it still won't change ****.
[Vibrant General] MacGuy2006:
Maybe it will, maybe it won't. Or maybe it will make someone reading it consider a different brand....

But what does this have to do with you and a few like you spamming every thread which talks about legitimate upgrade issues? If you don't like it, ignore all threads with 2.2 or 3.0 in them.
[Vibrant General] pavvy:
It's a "discussion thread"; do you expect to only be discussing with ppl who share your pov?

What I don't get is why you kept your phone if the bugs are such dealbreakers ("...ladies"), pinning your hopes on a fix for them. (That's what the trial period is for.) Seems like a recipe for disappointment.

Big companies will generally let you down (always a nice surprise when they don't, of course)...
[General Questions and Answers] nastywindbreaker:
is there a media server app built for windows mobile device...that would help me stream content from my TP2 to ps3 (like tversity)...I understand, asking for transcoding is too much...:D
[HD2 General] themachfive:
Hey all.. Have a quick question.. Well so I hope!

Lately my phone has been randomly selecting things, without touching the screen. I have read through a lot of posts, most of which talk about 3 pole ear buds. Not the case here, have only used the 4 pole set that came with the phone.

This is very odd.. It does it randomly, like in the middle of text. The phone will start typing on it's own, or heck even back out and call the person. For the record, I do not have bear mitts and fat fingering keys instead of the correct ones.

I have tried soft reset. The only thing that cures this when it starts to happen is, press the end button to lock, wait a second then unlock.

FYI, I have tried multiple rom's.. no avail...

any thoughts? Thanks in advance

.d
[HD2 General] troed:
Get Your phone replaced or repaired, it´s a hardware issue .......
[Windows Phone 7 Software Development] Tom Servo:
This is something I started dabbling on while trying out various SDK things, but continued developing on after first tests. Still work in progress, but it works good enough.

It's a simple application that captures from the phone's microphone and presents the recorded data either as FFT graph, waveform or displays it as SPL/peak/RMS volume meter with graphical history function.

I've put already an earlier show-off on Youtube, but I was on a coding roll, this is a newer (unlisted) demo. Irregularities in the displays are caused by a confirmed bug in XNA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7M6qUU3fuM

(Uploaded it a few minutes before this post, video quality will improve.)
[Windows Phone 7 Software Development] DMAND:
Looks cool! Will it work in landscape also?
[Windows Phone 7 Software Development] Oggyb87:
Hey Tom. You made some good points on Anton D. Nagy's blog, but I reckon it could be optimised. :) Right now it's very pretty, to attract buyers (e.g. me!) you'll need to provide something really useful. This could include things like highlighting clipped samples, recording to isolated storage or even integration with the Zune hub.

How many frequency bands are you managing with the FFT? For the purpose of a phone you could keep it to 128 or even 64 and save processing power. You're right about needing a dev device to really know.

Good luck, I really like what you've done so far.
[Windows Phone 7 Software Development] Tom Servo:
I could swear I had already written up something and it seems gone.

Anyway, the app's going to be free, so no need to entice buyers, since there won't be any. :)

Also, the main intent of the application is to capture ambient sounds/noises and get a visual representation. And since I want to keep it as simple as possible, I'm probably going to leave it at that.

Your comments however gave me the idea to write a simple recorder, that does an audio display with zoom and cursor on both waveform and FFT representations. I don't think applications will be able to directly open something outside their isolated storage, so loading music from your phone will probably not be possible, apart from making a media player proxy play back stuff.
[Windows Phone 7 Software Development] iangriggs:
Looks great..very impressive.

I'm tinkering with the same API although I'm a real novice and wondered how you were managing to get at the data being picked up by the microphone in apparent real-time.

I wonder if you would be good enough to let me into some of your coding techniques or point me at some good reference docs/samples I've obviously missed :-)

The code samples I've seen up to now have start record and stop record buttons, with a buffer being filled up over that time period and finally played at the end.

I'd like to do how you managed to process and graph the data as it is picked up by the mic. Are you possibly setting the buffer size very small and just getting small chunks of data and then acting on it - accepting the potential delay in buffering and then processing - maybe the delay is smaller than I'm expecting? or is there some other technique I'm missing from the docs.

Thanks in advance.

Ian
[Windows Phone 7 Software Development] Tom Servo:
The recording code works practically the same as you'll find in the samples. Signal processing happens on the BufferReady event, which calls respective processing functions. I've set the buffer size to 100ms, which is the minimum XNA allows.
[Windows Phone 7 Software Development] Tom Servo:
Now it will. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3fLPgJX7g0
[Windows Phone 7 Software Development] DMAND:
Very nice!! I love how it just fits in perfectly with the Metro UI
[Windows Phone 7 Software Development] BrannanD:
Hi Tom,

How are you analyzing the audio stream coming off the microphone? I'm trying to do something similar to match sounds with known pitches/frequencies (similar to using the MediaPlayer.GetVisualizationData method) but not sure if I'm missing a simple way of doing it, or if you are analyzing the raw bytes from the stream.

Thanks,

Dave.
[Windows Phone 7 Software Development] Tom Servo:
I'm capturing raw data directly from the XNA Microphone class and then running it through a FFT routine. I'm using Exocortex DSP, which I've stripped down to the bare minimum.
[Windows Phone 7 Software Development] jjohnson1701:
Hi Servo!

I was wondering how you were able to code the audio to be represented visually in silverlight. I'm looking to do a similar kind of app showing a VU-meter that responds to the audio. It'd be 16 distinct blocks vertically that, based on the incoming audio, light up according to audio strength. I can find samples of accepting microphone input, but how do you turn that visual?

Thanks!
[Windows Phone 7 Software Development] felixk:
Hi tom, very nice work and excactly what I can use.

Have to do some simple sound measurements every now and again.

Nothing exact but enough to give me an idea what I'm dealing with. This app would be perfect for it. Can't wait to try it.
[Windows Phone 7 Software Development] Raptor550:
Hi tom, I bought your 2,0 version of this and I really like where it is going. I need something like this for tinkering with audio setups.

On your graph, could you post some graph lines with maybe some labels (.5 1k 2k...) so I can see where certain peaks lie? it could be toggle-able in the settings?

Also, any plans for some auto or manual calibration?

Its a shame the API only lets you work up to 8k, I wonder why?

Keep up the great work!
[Windows Phone 7 Software Development] Keefo:
i bought this too, and really like it!

But, how accurate is the dB meter??...
[Fascinate General] ConceptVBS:
http://www.intomobile.com/2010/08/0...g-gem-for-verizon-break-cover/#comment-459987

It could be a typo or perhaps it really does have a metallic body?
[Fascinate General] radar5:
i'm pretty sure the captivate has that where the bottom slides down to release the back cover and expose the battery. it'd be awesome if that was on the facinate.
[Fascinate General] wrxlvr:
As long as it's lightweight, I don't care either way. Not a fan of heavy phones (one of the few things I don't like about my Evo).
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] mrhammond:
is there any ports of the famous htc sense gui for the tytn/hermes?
[EVO 4G General] Wallabe:
Hello all,

I've had my EVO for about 2 months so far. I've notice just like everybody that the battery life sucks to hades. I've rooted the phone since then.

1st problem) Maybe it's me or it's a problem no one addressed yet, The phone will start getting hot when it is in standby mode. When the back light goes out it gets hot. I've check to see if there were any wild or un-needed services running and there isn't, and its not like McDonald's Coffee hot but very very warm to the touch. And when it does that the battery life starts at 100% and ends at 20% within 40 minutes.

2nd problem) I've installed two programs in which I've deleted since the time it happen. A Super User Permission app, the one that's gray and has the jolly roger look to it. The next one is Juice Defender. I notice the problem after I installed them that the phone will start restarting itself like every 3 or 5 minutes. I'll be in the middle of a phone call and it would go blank and restart. The only time I notice it doesn't do it is when I connect it to the computer while I have debug on and when I do a hard restart in which I pulled the battery out. The battery trick only lasts for about half a day. I installed those apps 4 days ago, both at the same time.

My phone info is:

Software #

1.32.651.1

Firmware version:

2.1-update1

please help!!!! it's driving me up the wall.