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[Epic 4G General] kngyn19:
http //www engadget com/2010/08/18/samsung-says-gps-is-tested-and-validated-on-epic-4g-our-testi/

Not sure if it is posted, but the Epic is confirmed to have working GPS out of the box. The extra development time may have been for that issue after all =)
[Epic 4G General] kngyn19:
MobileBurn posted a nice video review. You can find the link in my first post ^^
[Epic 4G General] misterhearn:
Hands on at my Site

Hey,

I know there are a lotta reviews floating around for this device. Especially with a lot of the major places but please don't forget about us little guys! I have my own site and we did a hands on with the device, please guys check it out and if you can register and join, thank you for your support. http://spantechular.com/?p=1593
[Epic 4G General] Aridon:
I thought I read that the epic had a different media player. Should be trivial to port the other one but I wonder if anyone with hands on access can comment on the differences.
[Epic 4G General] heygrl:
It's blatantly clear that the Samsung Epic runs a different version of TouchWiz, we don't have that differently designed drop down menu, the task manager (all found on later firmware versions of TouchWiz for the Galaxy S).. that's probably why it's much faster. The internal SD card speed on the Captivate/Vibrant is far from slow, I did a read/write test and it's got plenty of speed.

The Epic looks like it has a stock media player
[Epic 4G General] tpma4life:
So this means if there is a "lag" or whatever, for those unfamilar with all the tech stuff..I'll be stuck with a broken phone? That sucks..I'm really psyched but I don't want to be stuck with the epic if either the vibrant or captivate would be better because they have enough memory to fix the lag issue..or would just simply switching roms fix it?
[Epic 4G General] hydralisk:
Why did you post this exact same thing in 2 different threads? No. There is no "lag" on the EPIC.

Basically, people use the term "lag" to refer to choppiness in the animations. When you see an obvious studder when swiping from home screen to home screen. Or when you're panning and zooming within a browser. Or when you perform an action but it isn't executed for at least a second or two.

Every source and video I've seen shows the Epic running smoothly in all areas.
[Epic 4G General] tpma4life:
Because they are also discussing this in two seperate topics with a lot of the same points being brought up in both topics, and I'm not sure which one is going to be the "official" one
[Epic 4G General] kngyn19:
Decided not to add links to other reviews posted by other people, but I did update my first post with IGN's review.

http //gear.ign com/articles/111/1116069p1.html

Your opinion on the review would depend on how credible you think of IGN. They don't review phones often so when they give one a good score, it means there is enough hype and substance for it =)
[Epic 4G General] heygrl:
http://gear.ign.com/index/latest-updates.html

They've reviewed the iPhone, Epic 4G, and EVO 4G.
[Epic 4G General] hydralisk:
This guy did a Q&A session with the Epic. He is answering user-submitted questions. Good video overall. Worth watching:

http://androidandme.com/2010/08/news/sprint-epic-4g-qa-part-1/
[Epic 4G General] kennethpenn:
http://briefmobile.com/samsung-epic-4g-review

Here's my full review!
[Epic 4G General] BeerChameleon:
Great review enjoyed reading it.

Every aspect covered :)
[Epic 4G General] imdshiznit:
thanks for the review! lots of info!
[Epic 4G General] Maxy6:
From Engadget review:

"Surprisingly, the now-infamous AGPS bug is still alive and well right now on the Epic. We're not sure how Sprint can justify releasing it with this bug now so well-known, well-documented, and critical to the operation of the phone -- seriously, it cannot find you most of the time -- but we suppose it'll just get fixed at the same time as the remainder of the Galaxy S models in September. In other words, unless we see a quick firmware update prior to the 31st, don't expect Google Maps to work particularly well out of the box." (http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/16/epic-4g-review/)
[Epic 4G General] Kleany:
"Best of all, the GPS issues which many have reported affecting Galaxy S family devices aren’t apparent on the Epic 4G, with our review unit proving capable of quickly establishing a fix and tracking it accordingly."

via Slashgears review.
[Epic 4G General] ForrelZ:
Engadget always downplays any device that doesn't start with an i truth be told. Look at Engadget's review saying the camera was worse than an Evo then look at Gizmodo's with visual comparison shots vs an iPhone and clearly coming out on top, Chris Ziegler's reviews have always been dodgy at best.
[Epic 4G General] ben7337:
I could be wrong about this but doesn't Samsung supply the camera sensors to Apple for their iPhone, and isn't it likely that the iPhone and Galaxy S have the same 5MP sensor in them? Just asking here, that's sort of what I've been assuming. If anyone has any data to disprove or back up this idea that would be nice.
[Epic 4G General] ConceptVBS:
Engadget is such a biased tech blog in favor of anything Apple. They devote whole article to a minor software update from, say version 1.1 to 1.12. And yet completely ignore huge tech news that goes on outside of Apple world.

I wouldnt take their "reviews" with a grain of salt.
[Epic 4G General] shep211:
Trust me the gps issue is real. You can read up on it on any galaxy s forum. I love my captivate but because of the lag and gps issues I cant keep it. I am returning it and going back to evo. A software fix will not fix the issue. I have tried the settings from the beta froyo rom and it does help but it still has issues. I have read it would take a new back plate that connects to the gps antenna to boost the signal. This seems to be true because if i hold the device up to the windshield it gets a better signal and will relock sats. When I put it back on my dash it will disconnect from the sats. It has a every weak signal vs n1 or evo.
[Epic 4G General] Dman10:
According to this review: http://www.slashgear.com/sprint-epic-4g-review-1597717/ the GPS problem is gone: "Best of all, the GPS issues which many have reported affecting Galaxy S family devices aren’t apparent on the Epic 4G, with our review unit proving capable of quickly establishing a fix and tracking it accordingly."
[Epic 4G General] brewsbro:
fyi, engadget has updated their review on GPS:

[Update: We just spoke with Samsung, who told us that Google is now requiring that the "use wireless networks" setting for location-based services be turned off by default in Android devices -- in other words, no AGPS unless you manually enable it. Sure enough, we went into Settings, found that it was disabled on the Epic, turned it on, and we were good to go. No GPS bug!]
[Epic 4G General] Dman10:
That's awesome, now there isn't a reason big enough not to get this phone
[Epic 4G General] rmt5:
Argh. But just because Engadget and Slashgear were able to get gps locks (as many were on galaxy devices), doesn't mean it is 'fixed.' What a leap of logic. Engadget acts like it was merely the agps not being 'enabled' that was the bug to begin with!

Has anyone, in any review, done a simple objective test on Epic to see if it has the same problem as the Captivate/Vibrant?

(and couldn't Engadget, in their phone call to Samsung on the topic of GPS, just have *asked* if it was fixed?)
[Epic 4G General] boomerbubba:
Bull. The Engadget reviewer obviously hasn't a clue how GPS and aGPS work on this phone, and is falling for a line of corporate spin.

That same option to "use wireless networks" exists on all the other Galaxy S phones, has been tried and found wanting on those platforms, and is at best a kludgy workaround. Rigorous, detailed testing shows that.

There are serious GPS flaws in the Samsung Galaxy S line released so far -- T-Mobile Vibrant, AT&T Captivate, international I9000 . Read all their forums and see. It is Samsung's problem to fix, and their announced plan to "optimize" GPS is not even expected until September, after the Sprint rollout.

I come from a T-Mobile Vibrant world, and have tried all the workarounds. Already returned two devices and cancelled my contract renewal over this issue. I would never believe that the problem is fixed until I test it myself and see it tested by peers on the forums. Hoping the new firmware will cure the problem, but unwilling to commit until I see it in practice.
[Epic 4G General] shep211:
I dont think any of them really tested the gps while driving on any of the galaxy s phones. I didn't read a review that said the captivate had gps issue but it does.
[Epic 4G General] FoxRacR17:
i was planning on getting this phone the day it came out, already had a phone on hold for me at my local sprint store, but now i think i'm going to wait until the "fix" comes out in september and see how much froyo improves upon the phones performance. I dont want to drop 500 bucks for a phone that isnt going to be all its cracked up to be or have good support. I'm afraid i'm going to be forced wait until the dual core snapdragons come out before i find a phone thats good enough to upgrade to.
[Epic 4G General] robl45:
seriously, is it that big of a deal? every car has navigation now.
[Epic 4G General] boomerbubba:
You must be new to Android, or at least to geographic applications. Did you really think "the GPS" is just that thing on your dashboard that tells you when to turn?

The GPS is a satellite receiver built into Android platforms, and is there to be used for many potential purposes. There are lots of uses for GPS besides car navigation, and more are being invented all the time. (Some current examples are tracking athletic runs, geocaching, geographic social networking like Foursquare and Latitude, geotagging photos, field geocoding of addresses or any other physical thing on the planet, reverse geocoding of locations to street addresses on the fly, such as in PinPoint ... the list is open-ended.) A functioning GPS is part of the core functionality of an Android, and it should just work.
[Epic 4G General] robl45:
good point, locating my wife will be a pain without working GPS, I hope they can fix it, or I'll have to get an evo.
[Epic 4G General] boomerbubba:
Correct. All the reviewers in the electronics press are pretty shallow gee-whiz writers. They don't field-test phones like Car and Driver or Road and Track test cars. Most reviews of smartphones are just glorified "unboxing" trials, interwoven with press-release flackery.

The reviewers all missed the GPS problems in the Captivate as well as the Vibrant. Now they are making the same mistake with the Epic.

The real problems don't get reported except in user venues such as XDA. Spend a day reading all the horror threads about the Galaxy S GPS.
[Epic 4G General] smashpunks:
Its not completely fubared .. mine works pretty good. I use navigation everyday and use apps that find my location including weather etc...

I agree it could be better and I'm sure it will. But its directed me to a few places I had no idea where I was...

Maybe I'm not that picky on gps, but it works decent for me ..this phone is the **** guys... the gps will be fixed and if not, its really not all that bad IMO..

People over react
[Epic 4G General] Dman10:
So then is the GPS a software issue or a hardware issue?
[Epic 4G General] boomerbubba:
The honest answer is that we do not know for sure. It could be software, hardware, or even both.

The conventional wisdom -- or I should say the conventional hope -- is that it is a software issue correctable in new debugged firmware. But we have no assurance of that, and Samsung coyly will not say there is nothing wrong with the hardware. (In fact, the manufacturer coyly does not admit that there is a defect at all, only that it plans to "optiimze" the GPS software.)

Personally, I am cautiously optimistic that the new firmware to be released in September (notably after the Sprint rollout) will be satisfactory. Reportedly, the new firmware will incorporate a new driver from Broadcom, which makes the GPS chip. Therefore I am holding on to an off-contract Vibrant in case this hope is realized. But I am not certain enough to commit to a two-year contract until we can verify that the problems are really corrected. I also have been looking at the Epic, and might decide to jump carriers. But since Sprint requires me to commit to a contract up-front, I would not do so until the uncertainty is resolved.
[Epic 4G General] aero1:
I don't think this says anything more than the intelligent people should ignore the review. It is an unboxing and not otherwise serious.

I am reserving full judgment on the Epic GPS performance til I run it through some good comparative tests, but this answer is all doublespeak and spin.

besides "use wireless networks" often refers to tower triangulation which is entirely unrelated to agps and gps and many smartphones have been able to use and deliver to applications for rough estimates, for example my WM hadnset on google maps will use wirelss network location estimate and say on google maps "your postion within 600 meters."

I am flabbergasted at endgadget. Someone is pulling a fast one. Either the only problem is that aGPS is turned off by default

a) the fix they envisaged for Septerm is off the books, because it is :"forbidden" and

b) leaving only standalone GPS with its longer time to first fixes for the 95% of users who won't go into settings (and a permanent competitive disadvantage for Galaxy)

or)

There is some other problem (cache, drivers, LBA triggering of aGPS) which they are workign on but which they have been unable to fix for months and snowed engadget about.

I checked a friends captivate, and it wasn't bad once we enabled aGPS, but if they are now saying that will never be allowed as a default a lot of people (the vast majority who wont go into settings post purchase) are going to get seriously substandard GPS performance and experience compared to non galaxy hadnsets.
[Epic 4G General] boomerbubba:
Engadget eats its words

A followup on Engadget today:

Samsung Galaxy S GPS-gate: two problems, not one (and what to do about it)
[Epic 4G General] ben7337:
Where did you hear a report that there is a new Broadcom driver or something coming in an update? I know broadcom is the gps chip manufacturer for the phone, I remember getting the exact model number in a teardown of either the vibrant or captivate, but I would love to know who reported a new driver. I was under the assumption that the phone manufacturer is the maker of the drivers for the phone parts. However this really is the level that connects the OS to working with the phone and is the one thing I never fully understood in phones.
[Epic 4G General] boomerbubba:
Over on the I9000 forum (for the international version reference version of the Galaxy S) there has been a lot of discussion of the GPS issue, in this thread and others. (Much of that discussion is more substantive than the fanboy v fanboy rants that tend to infect the U.S. forums.) There is a commenter there called TravUK, who is a Broadcom employee. Because of this he is guarded in what he can say, and he is not directly involved in the GPS team. But he does have some inside insight, has acknowledged that the Broadcom drivers have problems, and that Broadcom as well as Samsung are working on this issue.

The low-level driver that talks directly to the BCM4751 GPS chip is Broadcom's proprietary responsibility. Integrating that, along with other firmware, is Samsung's responsibility. Obviously there are bugs in both, as far as the currently released versions go. The presumption is that the new firmware rolled out by Samsung in September will incorporate the new stuff from Broadcom.

This does not definitively answer the question about whether hardware problems might also be implicated. But it does offer some serious hope. That Broadcom chip is its latest and greatest GPS in the Broadcom inventory, and theoretically should perform very well if it is implemented correctly. Right now, it performs poorly.

[As an aside, could the commenters who hijacked this GPS thread to debate CPU benchmarks please take that debate elsewhere?]
[iPAQ rw6828, XDA Atom General] Jessey1995:
Hi,

i've got an O2 Atom Life (could also be known as O2 XDA or O2 Comet) and it is a really good quality pocket pc, the only catch is that the battery dies quickly. I own an XP-02 (original battery that came with the phone) and an XP-09 (which is slightly bigger and lasts a bit longer) however they both die fairly quickly. I have left the CPU power to AUTO and set the backlight to 3, the battery can last a good day and a half on standby and if it's not used much, however the whole battery can deplete in 35 minutes while using the 3G/HSDPA network or playing games. :(

What i am looking for is a way or a setting to keep the battery stronger, i don't want to lower the cpu power because it will lag and i don't want to turn off 3G coverage because i like to use internet.

P.S could it be my charger? :S
[iPAQ rw6828, XDA Atom General] mondie:
In my opinion, i really think that it is the internet usage that is eating up the battery.. xD
[Vibrant General] ParkerOviedo:
my phone will not reboot into recovery by holding power and the volume bttons

so i trie dusing adb and my phone freaked out!!!!

it wsuperzoomed in and had a crazy glitchy yellowy haze over the screen and would randomly flash into the recovery screen then back to the crazy screen

and i can faintly makeout my phone being on inside of the glitched screen

and idk how or why this happened or what it even is

i havent seen anyone discussing it anywhere on here before

so i am just bewildered and would like to know what it is and to let the word out that this was even possibly

100 percent stock tmobile vibrant no mods what so ever

it barely has 48 hours of use
[Vibrant General] ParkerOviedo:
i figurd it out sorry guys

if you dont do a reboot recovery then it tries to goto recovery without a reboot
[General Questions and Answers] anzek:
Dear all,

I have two big problems!

1st on is that my phone HD2 won`t start. It just freeze on the white screen with HTC logo and ROM numbers.

2nd is that when I tried to put it in bootloader mode it won`t go. I tried to press down volume key and power key but it happen`s teh same like in the 1st paragraf.

Can you maybe help me???

Thanks in advance.
[General Questions and Answers] PTN1945:
take the battery out and do a hard reset. Hold volume up and down at the same time and press power button.
[General Questions and Answers] anzek:
I also tried to do that and nothing happens! It just show`s white screen with htc logo.
[General Questions and Answers] rsimiao:
My HD2 won't go to bootloader tri color screen when I press and hold the VOLUME DOWN then Press and hold the POWER button, but the phone starts normaly.

I already flashed the HSPL3 and nothing wrong happened. But when I tried to check if the HSPL status, the bootloader don't work.

My HD2 is T-Mobile
[General Questions and Answers] vicso86:
Rsimiao, any luck getting your phone into bootloader mode? I have the same problem.
[General Questions and Answers] TOZE:
Have same problem

my hd2 won t go in bootlaoder mode, impossible to see spl and wont be flash by hspl 3

impossible to hard reset it

its saying that sd card fail to copy something

is there a solution ??
[General Questions and Answers] trengy:
no usb loading in bootlaoder

Hi I have problem with loading usb in bootlaoder mode.....

When I turn on the phone everything is ok working fine

I'm trying to put a new Rom but I cant because can not find usb

can anyone help me please.....
[General Questions and Answers] Miketheboy1:
Dont go to Bootloader (Tricolor Menu)

Hello HD2 Experts,

yesterday i wanted to reboot my HTC HD2 with Android (SD) on it, and after this it hanging on the HTC logo and cant boot.

It goes only to the MAGLDR but not to the Bootloader ( Tricolor Menu) if i press VOLUME DOWN AND POWER...

I installed via USB FLasher on MAGLDR the Windows 7 Phone and it was working perfectly without problems (Just Wlan/Wifi dont working). After this i tried to install 5 different NAND Android on my HD2 and every of this is hanging on this HTC Logo!!! I am sure that all this 5 were working before this...

My Problems:

1. Cant install (NAND) Android.

2. Cant join to the BOOTLOADER (Tricolor).

3. On WIndows 7 PHone no WLAN working.

I'm done with the nerves!!! :mad: Can anybody help me?

Best Regards, Mike
[General Questions and Answers] audibiturbo:
Take bettery out, then try again

it will work
[General Questions and Answers] Miketheboy1:
i tried EVERYTHING! but it dont help :(

and battery too!
[General Questions and Answers] Junks666:
Having the same problem I have SPL-3.03 HSPL & trying to downgrade to SPL 1.66 but won't go into Bootloader. I've tried an 8gb, 4gb & now 1gb card the file has been renamed in the root to LEOIMG.nbh but just get the tri colour screen. Pressing reset button & holding end call & Vol down button.

This is the right file to rename from HTC?

_HTC HD2_RUU_Leo_HTC_WWE_1.66.405.2_Radio_Signed_15.30.50.07U_2.06.51.07_Ship
[General Questions and Answers] HellboundSC:
Make sure you are not using the USB cable while trying to enter bootloder. I had the same problem, but once unplugged the cable all was fine.
[General Questions and Answers] DJ Legless:
I'm having a similar problem. I reflashed to the HSPL, no problem. I then used the Rom UPdate Utility, which claimed it had updated my ROM to version 2 (although it took a fraction of the 10 minutes, it said it would). When I now try to boot the phone to install the rest, doesn't matter how much I hold the power key (which I presume is the 'make call' key, as that powers the phone up), it refuses to do anything other than boot to the O2 Welcome screen. I'm noticing the replies aren't very helpful here. Is this what I can expect for the whole forum? As a newbie, I can't make posts on the developers forums, so I can't ask them if they've come across this before. It seems a bit pants, to be honest!
[General Questions and Answers] x1123:
HTC HD2 won`t go in to bootloader mode

Hi Junks,

The THREE COLOUR SCREEN is BOATLOADER this is FIRST BOOT LOADER or (I Think) the name is H-BOOT. You have to correct ROM for HTC HD2, but CMIIW the rom is for HTC HD2 T8585 (WWE) with 516 Internal Memory. Is your HD2 this Model or another Model famous with name TMOUS (T-Mobile Edition) with 1024 Internal Memory. I believed if you still have tricolor screen easier to "wake up" your phone.
[General Questions and Answers] kris29440:
Im haveing the same problems please someone help... a Demonoid invite code is all I have to offer here
[General Questions and Answers] x1123:
Is your problem solved ? Hold power key (Red) (Hang Up key) and Volume Down key simultaneously. what is you see on the screen ? if its three color RGB ... you are safe. I will advise whats next.

cheers up
[General Questions and Answers] kris29440:
No that is not the problem I can not get into the bootloader at all, I use to do it before, so after trying the vol. Down key I tried useing many other combinations without any luck, its as if the default bootloader is gone! :confused:
[General Questions and Answers] x1123:
HD2 is most great device. what is actually happened. You can brief here what you did before and some background of your HD2, what u have flashed in and what is inside, the more clue probably will help others to point a good thing for you. If No boot loader is the device totally "death" :p