yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Captivate Android Development] Reefermattness:
They have full phone models here at my store but its the biggest in the state so they better. The release notes they are given for handsets is pathetic. They are told what weeks they may get shipments, but there is no official date and they have no idea what's in their next shipment in most cases. Except for apple, thy get insane release notes from apple about that crap. Lol

I was telling them about the touch pro 2 months before they got it. The guys at the store thought I was crazy for waiting for their ups shipment the day I knew they were coming, but they did. Lol

I also have the beautiful corperate discount 3 years after. :) shhhhhhh
[Captivate Android Development] madjsp:
The retail store in my town has all the phones functioning, although most of them are almost out of battery juice by the time I get to them.

I was able to pick up my phone from an authorized retailer earlier than the release date.
[Captivate Android Development] MikeyMike01:
I'm sure there are AT&T stores and salesman that simply peddle the iPhone.

However, I went to the AT&T store (having never heard of this phone) with the intent to buy an iPhone 4. He told me not to bother getting on the waiting list and to wait about a week for this phone. So I did.
[Captivate Android Development] CptTwinkie:
I'm pleased to say that the employees at my local at&t store recently talked my brother out of an iphone in favor of the captivate. They also have working phones in the store. If the rest of the company was like that store we'd probably have froyo by now w/o all of the bloatware
[Captivate Android Development] Athailias:
I accidentally happened upon my Captivate. I was at best buy wanting to switch from sprint (the evo was sold out) and I went to see what phones were available. Of course the captivate had only been out a week when I was there and I was actually looking at the Aria when my wife said "just get this one, its got a bigger screen and I dont want to hear you whining about the aria in a week". I even got 80 bucks back from best buy because it went on sale within 30 days of me buying it for 230 down to 150. Of course newegg.com had/has it for 50 bucks...

@Kaik and Zilch I am afraid im going to brick my phone a week after you guys even if I read that whatever you were doing shouldnt be done...

Back to the topic at hand though. GPS is the only thing not working on here or data is down too? The main post isnt updated with bugs. XDA needs a forum thread for "Android chat with Kaik and Zilch"
[Captivate Android Development] Kaik541:
Haha. Zilch is far more informed than I am. I haven't even had a chance to download the source code yet and Zilch is currently looking through it line by line to find why hsupa is disabled with the att kernel/att modem combination. I'm mostly aware of the basics and am being a test junkie.

As of right now, I know of no way to brick our devices as we can always revert to stock with download mode with odin. You may get soft locks, but the only thing that will stop our phones from functioning would be pulling the cord while flashing a new bootloader. Even using the redband tool only touches the kernel.

Edit: to answer your question, both gps and data are non-functional as of right now.

Sent from my Samsung SGH-i987
[Captivate Android Development] flashman2002:
What data issues are you guys having? I was able to run browser and the market place on 3G and EDGE.
[Captivate Android Development] Kaik541:
interesting... hans did say it was "spotty" but that he had it working at a couple points. Zilch is also partially under the belief that it may just be an issue with only communicating with one of the bands (who knows). personally, it didn't work for me the couple of times I tried.
[Captivate Android Development] perium:
It didn't work for me either. I didn't try edge though.
[Captivate Android Development] aqtrans:
Eugene posted over on the Vibrant AOSP thread that he narrowed the issue down to being something in the framework.jar. I would assume that problem would carry over to this build.
[Captivate Android Development] hansmrtn:
Thanks dude! I will try to find out
[Captivate Android Development] Zilch25:
It is a baffling problem really... some folks on the Vibrant AOSP thread were able to get data/3g too. No one could explain that either O_o. You just have a haunted phone, deal with it!
[Captivate Android Development] life2monkeys:
how are we supposed to set this up without data access?
[Captivate Android Development] life2monkeys:
NVM I got it
[Captivate Android Development] E_man5112:
Can anyone else sideload on this? I cannot get it to remember allow install of unknown sources. I check it, and I can go back and check right before I try and install, it's still checked. As soon as I try and sideload, it unchecks itself. Any thoughts/help? This is my first stock build, so is there something else I need to do that things like SRE took care of for me?
[Captivate Android Development] hansmrtn:
I am sorry guys, but I went into this thinking it would be easy. I just dont think I really have the schedule to make a rom effectively :(. I am really sorry, but if anyone has the experience to take over please tell me (PM ME)
[Captivate Android Development] darth_vato:
inb4shitstorm
[Captivate Android Development] Kaik541:
nah, no one's gonna get real mad. and even if they do, so what? hans tried and did what he could and he's willing to hand it off to anyone interested.

we might be a bit sad that there wasn't much progress and it's still incomplete, but none of us have any right to be mad. if you donated and got "nothing" out of it, well that's how donations work.

edit: I should also add that he never said he was not going to work on it anymore, he just doesn't want to be the primary maintainer. he may browse through the source code and be the one who figures out why data doesn't work even if he doesn't do everything else.
[Captivate Android Development] darth_vato:
Just wait, the hordes of angry people with one post will be flowing in here shortly complaining about their donations
[Captivate Android Development] hansmrtn:
I hope not lol, I had to buy a sweatshirt for the winter :o
[Captivate Android Development] nammyczc:
they shouldnt you offered a proof of concept, more than anyone was able to do
[Captivate Android Development] djbberko:
hey hans my friend said he may be able to work on it. Can i have the source code for him? He said he tried asking you but you never answered. :)
[Captivate Android Development] rajendra82:
In the spirit of open source the code should be posted for everyone to play with, including those who did not donate.
[Captivate Android Development] Kaik541:
if anyone does come in here complaining about their donations going to waste, or some such nonsense, then they're idiots. a donation is not in exchange for a promise of future work. a donation is "I hope this helps continue the work, but since you're a dev and not charging for this, this is the least we could do" kind of thing.

none of these devs ever PROMISE anything, they try to get what they can done, and it doesn't always work out (unfortunately). if he had sworn to us that anyone who donated would receive a 100% functional, vanilla ROM on their captivate, that would be one thing.

a dev is just a normal person like you and me (with jobs and social lives) and sometimes those things take precedence in a more dramatic way than they plan. if they can't complete the work, at least be glad they're willing to hand it off. some people are great with time management and have the passion to complete many things at once (look at eugene with him supporting all three GSM models or Wes Garner working on the mytouch slide and cyanogen 6 for the vibrant), but not one of them has ever made a promise beyond "I think this shouldn't brick your phone unless I made a mistake somewhere, even then, it's your responsibility"
[Captivate Android Development] Reefermattness:
I completely agree... if you already donated, then thats just what you did and you shouldn't be upset. At the same time Im not sure exactly how I feel about putting up a HUGE donation button, almost as big as the OS screenies, on just a proof of concept with nothing really working.
[Captivate Android Development] Kaik541:
haha, fair enough to the donate button. I suppose he should take it down considering he's no longer going to be working on it.
[Captivate Android Development] oldskooldawgz:
maybe this should turn into a community development just make sure you comment (lol rule one in my mind for developing anything)
[Captivate Android Development] darkamikaze:
commenting in ANY code .. I say is a must. 2 years later and you want to jump back into something.. comments will save your life and time..

Besides, it's good etiquette especially if you end up coding for a company or something!
[Captivate Android Development] Pinepig:
My uneducated bottom ( about dev stuff ) tends to agree.

If I'm totally off base on these kinds of things, could somebody explain why it would be bad or poor form to even ask?
[Captivate Android Development] sevenvt:
More people with the code means more roms... Isn't that the big idea?

;)
[Captivate Android Development] oldskooldawgz:
Did GPS work in this rom. I mean work as in not freeze up the whole system like in the hybrid
[Captivate Android Development] atinm:
hans - if you want someone else to take over, it would be best to create a github repository with your changes and then people will be able clone it and help/take over development. Or just tar up the sources and link it if the github is too much work and then someone else can create the github repository.

Thanks,

-Atin
[Captivate Android Development] mkoby:
I'll be happy to set up a github repository if I need to, I have no issues about doing that. I just don't have the time or know how to really work on this personally, but I'll gladly "host" the initial github repo if hans wants to send me a tar/gz of the files.
[Captivate Android Development] hansmrtn:
Please do, I really dont have the time:D
[Captivate Android Development] hansmrtn:
So If anyone wants to download the rom and make a github, feel free to. Anyone is free to use it and change it, give it a different name, whatever you want :D
[Captivate Android Development] Kaik541:
we kinda need the source for that, I don't see a link in the OP for the source though, just the flashable zip
[Captivate Android Development] jasonyump:
well given that i've pm'ed him a few times since he first started this thread asking for the source. and he has yet to respond, i would say its safe to say he didnt use the source to build this. so..yeah. we'll probably have to look elsewhere for it.
[Captivate Android Development] Circazero:
Its kinda weird how this rom is very.very identical to the jane4.zip (vanillaRom) found in the vibrant forums. And he's not giving out the source code so thats also strange.
[Captivate Android Development] Aus_Azn:
If that's the case, that is absolutely disgraceful. I 'd prefer to assume good faith until it is otherwise proven. I'd doubt someone would be malevolent enough to cheat people through donations like that and not have been caught earlier.
[Captivate Android Development] jasonyump:
well, if your implying that its the same jane4.zip with the addition of launcherpro.apk and renamed the jane4.zip, congratulations! you are correct! this rom wasn't built from source.

well i'll PM eugene and see if i can get the source from him.
[Captivate Android Development] madjsp:
So people have been donating to this guy for someone else's work?

That should be a banable offense if that is the case.
[Captivate Android Development] jasonyump:
well theres not a single change in the rom. except the addition of launcher pro and removal of files from /data/app folder. why that folder still remains, dunno. all the files have the same timestamps as eugene's rom, which shouldnt be if it was rebuilt. hell, even the build.props the same, with the bottom line changed from jane4 to vanilla-captivate01. dont get me wrong, im not accusing anyone of anything here. just saying what i've noticed..
[Captivate Android Development] Tayutama:
What people haven't noticed is that in the OP when he made the thread he sayd he got permissions to be the Captivate developer for this from eugene... (That is if i remember correctly)
[Captivate Android Development] iLoki:
Yea.. He did say that he was using Eugene's and Barak's work to build this for the Captivate. That was originally in the OP, but has since been edited.
[Captivate Android Development] TheTodFather:
he did say that in OP.
[Captivate Android Development] atinm:
Yes, but given that Eugene only has a Vibrant , at least I thought hans was taking Eugene's code and incorporating Captivate specific changes to Eugene's code/rom builds to make it seamless for Captivate. Eugene has been putting out Captivate ROMs too but since he doesn't actually have a Captivate, having a Captivate specific developer working on Vanilla AOSP would have been great and at least I assumed that is what hans was doing. Guess not, and no real loss since nothing useful came out of hans anyway.

-Atin
[Captivate Android Development] WheresWaldo:
It was very apparent from his first posts that he was assembling and not building a ROM for the Captivate. His background was likely WinMo where assembly = cooking, since no source code is available from Microsoft. With Android assembly does not seem to work as well as WinMo, hence his problems getting data to work. For those that donated and feel cheated, life is hard, get over it. For others, let's see if we can pick up the pieces and help real developers like eugene373 and others move forward with the Captivate. Also let's see if we can motivate Cyanogen to do a legitimate version for the captivate.

I am totally surprised by the amount of support for T-Mobile Vibrant in comparison to the Captivate. I guess there are too many iPhone fanboiz and not enough Captivate users to make it worth anyone's effort.
[Captivate Android Development] TimF:
I'm not surprised, ATT is not advertising the Captivate at all and every Samsung add for the Galaxy S line is either for the T-Mo or Verizon phone.
[Captivate Android Development] atinm:
As soon as wesgarner gets a working Cyanogen for Vibrant, one of us will have it going for Captivate. I am following wes's, Unhelpful and JAC's work closely though mostly in the kernel area and I am sure others are too. As soon as Eugene gets his github repo up and Wes is close to being done with the Cyanogen port, we'll be right on it.
[Captivate Android Development] rajendra82:
I believe Samsung is responsible for advertising all of Galaxy S phones, and I've definitely seen ads for the Captivate on TV, and billboards around town. I have also seen the Captivate shown in AT&T ads. I believe that the Captivate is going to sell more than the Vibrant in the long run, because AT&T is a much bigger carrier than T-Mobile, and there are no other compelling android offerings over here other than the Aria. The only other Galaxy S phone that was capable of challenging the Captivate in US sales would have been the Fascinate, before Verizon decided to shackle it to Bing. The biggest android phone on a bigger carrier is going to sell more.
[Captivate Android Development] life2monkeys:
And what with the G2 releasing on t mobile now ( I can haz well designed keyboard and vanilla froyo?) There will be no motivation to buy a vibrant, hopefully this will do something for our development
[Captivate Android Development] madjsp:
Based on who has the vibrant vs. the captivate, I don't think we'll get more people.

I think I might purchase a t-mobile contract, sell the g2, pay off my contract, and re-purchase one.

Then wait for it being unlocked and buy that one. Make some quick cash.

hopefully it supports AT&T 3g like the vibrant does.
[Captivate Android Development] rajendra82:
I was going to mention G2, but with the more modest processor specifications and smaller screen, it is meant to apeal to a more younger demographic than the likes of Galaxy S, Evo, and Droid X, which seem to be aimed more at older professionals. While the vanilla froyo with a keyboard is enticing, 4" SAMOLED paired with Swype is also hard to ignore.
[Captivate Android Development] boostedneonsrt4:
once sammy releases the 2.2 source code we too can have vanilla froyo on our phones. ill stick with the captivate, it will get alot more support as time goes on.
[Captivate Android Development] life2monkeys:
Ya, I forgot about the 800mhz chip.....well if those leaked gingerbread specs have any merit to them than the g2 just got a lot worse.....
[Captivate Android Development] Kaik541:
a) it's an 800 MHz scorpion board with the new arduno 205 graphics chip, this device is AT LEAST on par with ours

b) those "leaked specs" were essentially made up. android developers from google commented that he thought it was funny to see "made up news": http://twitter.com/morrildl/status/17527838378
[Captivate Android Development] life2monkeys:
wow....I just got schooled, too-shay good sir
[Captivate Android Development] igm503:
that chip is still not up there with the hummingbird and the omap 3430 ( or whatever is in the new droid x/2) the adreno 205 is better than the adreno 200 on the nexus one, but you have to remember the sgs has a powervr sgx 540, which is the fastest gpu in ANY phone right now. HOpefully it will be much better than the older snapdragons though :D
[Captivate Android Development] Kaik541:
actually, the scorpion boards are easily on par with hummingbird. OMAP is still the leader overall though.

but when it comes down to graphics capabilities, the adreno 205 is said to be "3 to 4 times as powerful as the adreno 200." while the hummingbird's sgx540 was said to be "up to 4 times as powerful as current mobile phone GPU's."

in GPU benchmarks the HTC Vision (international version of the G2) competes easily with every phone, the only phone that really outperforms is the Droid 2.

http://gizmodo.com/5633855/g2s-benchmarks-show-that-despite-processor-speed-it-should-be-fast
[Captivate Android Development] ipxnsv:
That post is about one test our of 20+. Go to glbenchmark. Com and look at the results
[Captivate Android Development] oOamnesiaOo:
I don't know when the source code will be posted however Samsung is targeting public release of official 2.2 build for Captivate in "mid December (12/13/10)." Pending AT&T technical acceptance of course....
[Captivate Android Development] rajendra82:
Where did you hear the mid December release date. The last twitter post from Samsung mobile UK said that froyo to all networks by end of September. Considering the unfinished nature of the leaked froyo roms on the i9000 so far, mid December does seem like possibly a more reasonable date of public release, but has Samsung actually said that in public?
[Captivate Android Development] atinm:
Where'd you get that? Last we heard was late-Sept - and they do have their tablet that has froyo so they've definitely made progress towards it.
[Captivate Android Development] sevenvt:
Every where in the world believes froyo for galaxy s in september. Where did you get december? Sounds way fishy.
[Captivate Android Development] uiskibum:
maybe Samsung will release 2.2 in sept, but at&t won't be done crippling it until dec.
[Captivate Android Development] Kaik541:
based on the leaked 2.1 releases, it would seem Samsung is actually doing the "crippling" for them. It seems that they're making all the changes for the carriers in-house now.

especially looking at the i9000 releases and seeings CSC's available with all the releases straight from samsung
[Captivate Android Development] rajendra82:
I agree. The JH2/JH3 ROMs came straight from samsung via samsung-firmwares, and they had all the bloat and crippling built in.
[Captivate Android Development] hansmrtn:
I am sorry you guys. I cant give that info away. I made the mistake of posting it in the first place. Lets just pretend that was never said
[Captivate Android Development] thedon809:
Are you going to get whacked if you say more?
[Captivate Android Development] sevenvt:
Ham has an at t friend. Say the wrong things and they fill you with bloatware.
[Captivate Android Development] mkoby:
Can we get back to discussing the ROM in the title? It's bee a few pages of non-ROM talk.

Is there any movement on someone taking this ROM over? I really want to put it on my phone, but I need it to have all it's functionality working (Data, Wifi, GPS, Bluetooth, so on).

If I had the time I totally would try to take this over as I'd like to learn more about Android roms, but as it stands with two jobs and a kid that likes to be in/out of the hospital, I just can't take something else on at the moment.

Is anyone going to take over this ROM? Hans, are you going to push on through and continue?
[Captivate Android Development] akachay:
Is anyone going to take over this ROM? Hans, are you going to push on through and continue?[/QUOTE]

i've been following this thread since it first started. flame me all you want but the fact is hans doesnt know what he doing. eugene can get it work if he have the time and willing to work on it since it's his project at the first place.
[Captivate Android Development] bblaze1874:
Agreed. This thread has swerved off course. I would love to have this rom on my phone and the progress so far has been amazing, but if development isn't going to continue it would be nice to know so i can stop following this thread.
[Captivate Android Development] takerfan:
What makes you think that? Samsung released the 2.1 source code several weeks ago and we haven't seen a vanilla eclair yet...Although I still haven't lost hope, I'm keeping my phone too.
[Captivate Android Development] Dominik06:
when will this get released? :)
[Captivate Android Development] sevenvt:
Tomorrow when you release it.
[Captivate Android Development] sevenvt:
Everyone could stop following the thread regardless. When its released you will undoubtedly figure it out. There is nothing holding you here unless you plan on picking up development of this rom
[Captivate Android Development] hansmrtn:
Okay, now that I have a bit of free time, I can do a little work on this rom again :D. I will do a small update, but here is the thing. I am still very busy and wont be able to update as much as I would like. Its back in for deving!
[Captivate Android Development] hansmrtn:
Updated first post... finally
[Captivate Android Development] freedonkey:
change log?
[Captivate Android Development] Kaik541:
it isn't a new release (still 0.1) yet. most likely any changes will result after Eugene releases plain jane 5 tonight
[Captivate Android Development] aqtrans:
Tonight you say?! :eek:
[Captivate Android Development] Kaik541:
eugene says he wants to release it tonight (Data is functional for Vibrant at least)
[Captivate Android Development] hansmrtn:
Exactly, so that means I can actually do something with this.
[Captivate Android Development] jasonyump:
What exactly do plan on doing with it?
[Captivate Android Development] hansmrtn:
Making VanillaCaptivate a captivate supported Vanilla rom. Just android, nothing else
[Captivate Android Development] rajendra82:
No what he meant to say was, "What exactly do YOU plan on doing with it". Meaning what are YOU planning to do with it other than renaming it? We know what Eugene is planning.
[Captivate Android Development] Circazero:
lmao!

good one. we shall wait and see. hopefully something legit if you know what I mean. ;)
[Captivate Android Development] muthaflaco:
So this will be vanilla 2.1 with only the captivate drivers added to make it work?
[Captivate Android Development] jasonyump:
Lol this is exactly what I meant!

Thanks!
[Captivate Android Development] hansmrtn:
Well eugene will be supporting the vibrant. I will be supporting the captivate.
[Captivate Android Development] rajendra82:
And what does "supporting the captivate" mean?
[Captivate Android Development] anilkuj:
Guys just relax , everybody is helping here in their own free time , no need to be so rude about it , if you like their work install it enjoy it and donate if you like, else move on to other threads that interest you.