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[Windows Mobile Software Development] User_99:
...next update:

Unfortunately I got coding bug back. ÖÄÜ and ß are not shown correctly. I see "[]" instead of the correct char. I use the same feed as the last time.

Feed update works fine. I added some feeds via RSShub.exe and they are shown fine in RSStab.

"Manage RSS feeds" item in menu: if i want to use this item, i got "## Facebook integration not enabled - For now ..."

Can we have for this text also a line in the language file?

Anything else to test? :cool:

BTW, German language update for Rev.4 Beta 0 (some small glitches)
[Windows Mobile Software Development] illi:
That's very kind of you...

A big thanks
[Windows Mobile Software Development] mike2nl:
Facebook update and messages shown in RSS format is working.

Yes sometimes it helps to read books guys ;). Help Center in Facebook to get the new messages as RSS Feed. Yep, and now every new meassge will also be on RSS Feed and the normal facebook tab is aalso working in the old way....

God Job Meltwater, hats off!

More tests later. Also the color changing, hehe.. i am working on it right now!!! Looks cool for the first tests (finger-snip)
[Windows Mobile Software Development] meltwater:
Facebook did have an RSS service...but they removed it I believe.

Probably since it didn't use any authorisation anyone could find a feed and subscribe...not ideal really...

I tried that first, but it didn't work.

Of course, they might re-enable it at some point, who knows!

I might need to lengthen the timeout, it does seem to be sensitive on mobile connections. Let me know if retrying works or if it's better via wifi.

Is that from updating via the tab, if so I've got three methods implemented so we can try a different one. I'll do some more tests with it, that part wasn't quite how I want it yet anyway.

There are still other bits to add for translations, but that one in particular I didn't add as it will only be temporary (it will hopefully give you all the options for adding other feeds etc, not just facebook functionality).
[Windows Mobile Software Development] sharkie405:
Facebook integration only works for those that have donated? Is that right?
[Windows Mobile Software Development] meltwater:
Yes that is right. It's a thanks to those who, like you, support the tab.

Also, beta features like that are experimental so users who just click and forget may run into issues, so it helps having people who are willing to work with me to resolve any problems for the good of everyone. Donating can be in many forms.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] mike2nl:
No the RSS feed service is still there, everyone can read and use it. On the neweset page type of facebook you can ask the help, and then you will able to setup the RSS feed for new notifications.

Possible i am on the wrong way, but then it will be helpfull to know how to get the facebook messages from friends. Or it is a more a proof of concept at the start in beta 4.0? I am not sure, so better i ask now before users do things wrong.

BTW 1:

W...Swi....On, nice feature and it is working perfect. This is so cool meltwater and very good. So sorry i had to do it :p after i was in lua. Possible you can move it to the right top of the RSS Feed Orange status graphic (yellow arrow, screenshot in \Shared\RSS_Feed_Tab). I think it will be no issue to make the update link (left) a little bit smaller. Ops, i mean the link area for that. But ok..that small things. And this is really cool, so i have to say it twice :D

BTW 2:

please see \Dropbox\Shared\RSS_Feed_Tab\theme_handling\..... there you find the idea and source code how we can manage this.

Also possible = switchable by CHTS or via RSS -> Menu - Settings -> ???
[Windows Mobile Software Development] meltwater:
I'll have another go with it, I found that notes and other feeds worked but the useful ones didn't and there were lots of posts about it being removed when I searched for it (I think I posted something about it a long time ago).

Nope, you are right, perhaps they've put it back now!

Will see what other feeds you can get then, notifications (at least last time I looked) weren't available via the GraphApi anyway, so it's a useful feed to add too (although I don't think I can generate the feed url directly from my code, which is a shame).

BTW 1: Yep, it is handy, I've just not resized it yet etc but will put it in properly soon. It should fit on the title bar area really once it's done.

BTW 2: Thanks, when I get chance I'll have a look through.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] User_99:
I made an update from v3 to v4b0 without deleting my used feeds in RSS hub. After reenabling Sense all looks fine, but after updating via tab I got this problem again. Works fine in v3!!!

I know, but I thought this could/would be a default message for those people who have donated, but have NO FACEBOOK acount and want to activeate the feature in RSStab...
[Windows Mobile Software Development] mike2nl:
for BTW 1:

good to know..

for BTW 2:

i will do my work to get it running ;)
[Windows Mobile Software Development] meltwater:
What happens if you update the rss feed using RSSHub, I assume that it displays correctly again?

I'm trying to work out where the problem is, I am guessing it is the update (downloading of new data for the feed) from the tab which isn't right. The update for feeds isn't tested quite as much as I normally do and I know there are some issues (but it was required to add the facebook stuff - so I threw in my work-in-progress for non-fb users).

I've not changed the display side of it, so it is most likely the feed update process.

If you can post/pm me the feed in question I can test it with each of the updates methods and switch it over.

The "Manage Feeds" section will have other options in it, not just facebook features, so there won't need to be a message (the facebook features will just be missing if disabled). At the moment, there is only stuff in there which relates to facebook so if you've got that part disabled, it would load a blank page...

Hope that explains it.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] meltwater:
Ok got some feeds working from it:

Notifications

Friends Status

Friends Links

Friends Notes

1.My update from the tab breaks with these (will investigate why)

2.The feeds contain very basic info like the FbTab did.

Notifications - Not bad:

"UserA posted on your Wall" with a link to UserA and your wall.

Friends Status - Similar to the FbTab, without UserId pictures:

"UserA their status update"

No comments/likes, no links/photos etc.

Friends Links - Fine, except missing who posted it! - Correction RSSHub doesn't display author - RSSTab does...

You get link and photo and the description.

No comments/likes, does not include photo albums.

Friends Notes - Not bad. Again...missing who posted it! - Correction RSSHub doesn't display author - RSSTab does...

You get the full note someone has written (personally I didn't notice they had previously!).

I think I quite like the Notification feed, I'm not too sure about the others (at least when I've done proper layouts for the feeds I generate, I hope that mine will be more useful). But I probably wouldn't have bothered with all the effort if they'd had the feeds working when I tried it the 1st time.

No I wasn't dreaming!

Has Facebook Killed RSS For Pages?

Let me know if you find any other feeds!

I see your screenshot now, yep the plan was a smaller icon roughly where it is, there is another one on the other side (for selection - but of course I've not finished coding that yet).

Thanks for working on it! 1001 things to do and so little time. :D
[Windows Mobile Software Development] meltwater:
Oh and for those twitter peeps who are feeling left out!

You can add the following feeds to view your twitter's.

http://api.twitter.com/1/statuses/user_timeline.rss?screen_name=rsstab

http://api.twitter.com/1/statuses/user_timeline.rss?screen_name=[username]

Although I still don't see the point of twitter! lol
[Windows Mobile Software Development] User_99:
You're right all works fine and is shown correct via RSS hub.

One of the link is OeAMTC
[Windows Mobile Software Development] User_99:
Thx for the explanation. Perfect!
[Windows Mobile Software Development] jirkab:
Slovak

Slovak language update for Rev.4 beta by juben.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Skrobel:
Polish RSSTab

Hello guys,

Here is the promised polish language file update for the 4.Beta.

And below please find my comments/feedback. I test the Tab on a European Touch Pro2 (Rhodium) with Jackos EVO SkrobPRO ROM v1.3.5 (WM 28236 + Sense 2.5.20181527.0 + CHT 1.7.1):

- First of all I have to say the Tab is very slow on our device. And I don't presume this is a software problem as Jackos ROMs are known to be very clean and fast among Rhodium people. Showing list of channels (even if there is only one) takes 6-9 seconds every time. Showing list of updates for a channel takes almost the same amount of time. Showing single feed pure text in a MessageBox takes 5 seconds or so... Please advise if this is normal or subject to improve.

- As you can see on the enclosed screenshot there is a problem with national characters in titles/feeds. Somebody reported this already so I don't make additional fuss. (my example rss URL: http://f1.wp.pl/rss.xml)

- The built in FB authorisation didn't succeed because the page loaded in the Explorer was too small to show "Allow" button. Only "Not Allow" was visible. Authorisation via browser was OK.

- When I try to add FB Feed using the Tab I can choose a contact or news but when I try to accept the choice it always writes the error "Unable to download: No Data Connection or File Is Invalid". Of course I have working internet connection (via WiFi in this case).

- reading a feed does not mark it as Read.

- The long press on a single feed works but it's a bit confusing. In my opinion the MessageBox should appear always after a certain time of holding your finger, not after you release it.

- I think there should be more visible difference between Read and Unread items on the list (Look at my screenshot).

- When I switched the default viewing method to .Net WebBrowser, trying to enter the feed resulted in Null Reference Exception in RSSUtil.exe. The OpenNetCF browser works fine (without polish characters though).

I think that's it for now. Of course all this is not about complaint but to help you improve the project.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Laurentius26:
Hi Melt,

Here's the Dutch translation based on your v3.

Grtz, Leo :)

Edit, I see beta 4 is already out LoL, I will update again.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Skrobel:
Well, as I see by the signatures, most of people here uses noble Leo which probably reduces the problem by half. That is also a problem with CHT for instance. It is optimised for faster devices so we - the rest of the world - have to accept either overclocking or waiting. But I agree - this is certainly not the most important issue right now.

"Beta wave" accepted :) I remember about it all the time :) But feedback is feedback - it shows no mercy :D

Yep, I can tell by my own experience that coding/converting national characters is always a pain in the a**. I have a problem even to retrieve a Unicode data from registry in Unicode. And I can find no solution in .NETCF...

It's a bit more tricky, but I think users will certainly handle that. On the other hand internal authorisation of the FbTab has never failed me. Maybe because there was no form to fill after loging in.

Well this is strange because I get this error almost immediately after pressing create button. So I don't know if it is a matter of timeouts. And no, I can't update these feeds later. The same error pops up. Will try that further.

EDIT: The RSS Hub is also not able to refresh the enries created via the Tab. It writes "Error occurred on last update", "The URL does not use a recognized protocol".

I tried removing these FB entries and adding them again, but the same effect.

Ahhh I see! And I even read about it yesterday but for some reason I didn't understand that post clearly enough. My english is far from perfect... :(

Well, at least the pure text mode doesn't make sense for me especially in the message box, because all of the feeds I tested contained only the html/xml/unknown code tags instead of text there and without the possibility to scroll the feed I couldn't read anything. On the other hand the OpenNet browser seems very nice.

Ahh... I know all this too well... so take care and no rush!

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Ohhh... I just noticed that the Tab doesn't seem to refresh the feeds by itself. When there is no active connection, neither Menu -> Refresh, nor the "List" softkey seem to do anything. There is no message that there is no internet connection available. The RSS Hub refreshes the list without problem, but then back in the Tab even then the Menu -> Refresh doesn't show the todays feeds, but pressing "List" refreshes all of it and adds missing feeds to the list.

Can you point me what else can I test to help you troubleshoot this issue?
[Windows Mobile Software Development] meltwater:
I have touch HD, so I also have slow device (but I am more forgiving since I can visualise all the stuff it is doing, I wonder how it can do it that fast instead!).

No problem, I will keep hitting it until the damn thing works!

There are dirty methods which swap chars (which I really would rather avoid), but I've found some ways to do it, it is a case of getting them to work with the xml .netcf classes afterwards.

It is the same authorisation...the form is when you are not logged in previously or have not authorised previously. I'll swap it to external, since I've not had too much of an issue with it (except the 1st fail sometimes).

There is no way the RSS Hub can update these, since there is no update URL, I've used custom tags to allow the RSSTab to handle these feeds differently and perform custom magic.

Neither is mine, and I don't speak any other language so I understand and appreciate that.

I've focus my efforts on the OpenNet one (i.e. the added gesture controls etc), since that has the least problems it seems. But I've kept the options for now in case I need to revert to one of the others or if I need to add yet another one.

I'm trying to find if clicking on a url generates a specific Win32.WM.Message which I can capture.

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There is no auto-update or refresh yet. Once the update is working, I may try to do this (if I use the same method as the FbTab then it will be limited to when the tab is active in view - personally I'd rather that in some ways), plus an update all option for all the feeds displayed.

The refresh in the menu is a refresh of the screen by re-reading the registry items (it doesn't update them). This menu item can be removed now I think, since it was only really relevant back in the beginning when it had to be done manually...hey we've come a long way!
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Skrobel:
OK, one last note and I'll shut up :)

I don't even mean auto-update since there was no settings for it in Settings submenu. But do you mean that even manual update is not implemented yet? I try to force the Tab to download the updates manually not to auto connect several times a day...
[Windows Mobile Software Development] meltwater:
No problem. For every person who asks something there are lots who are also wondering the same things.

Manual Update (i.e. Update RSS Feed) does work (for most feeds - as mentioned above) and it will reload the data once it has completed and refresh the display with the new data.

The "Refresh" menu item, isn't of any use now as I trigger it as part of the process now (originally it didn't).

PS: Might have found the info I need to catch urls! :D

And possibly info I need to add "Like", "Post" and "Comment" buttons directly in the facebook item view...although will see about that.

AHHH NO life is never that easy...nevermind.

Update: Got a way to catch urls at last but it is a hideous work around the limitations of the control, seriously why does it have to be so annoying.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] meltwater:
I think I will be switching around between a few different projects (not least my real work project which is demanding some serious attention at the moment - although oddly being busy is always productive for all sides).

This means, at times, it might appear to be quiet but things are happening and moving forward, but it'll be a case of trying out ideas and testing things as and when I can. That will be new features as well as ensuring the old ones are improved too. I'll probably build another to-do list, as it really does seem to help to get things ticked off as I go and it gives everyone an idea of what to expect.

I'll also be working on a new android project, it's a program for pre-school kids and I really hope that I can get it working in the way I would like. It's my attempt at using kid's interest in tablets/phones, their hunger to learn and the direct way in which they can interact with it to do so (unlike more traditional ways).

Don't worry though, WM is still my main phone os and I still use it everyday to get and view podcasts etc, so the tab will be moving forward.

The android device is a very low cost tablet device for experimenting with (see the Android-On-A-Shoestring thread for details if you are interested). I'd like it to be a place where we can discuss ideas and thoughts on how to use our devices in new and different ways!
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Eddie Dickens:
Thank you for RSSTab! :-)

4.Beta.0 works fine for me, I've updated on HD2 Platinum 2.5 ger full without problems!
[Windows Mobile Software Development] User_99:
Made some addition tests today and app works fine and fast. Tested on my TD2 & HD2 and I cannot see any big changes in speed or something else. Both devices uses the same source of feeds.

Made allso some changes in the language file and it should be all more clean, so here a new German language update for v4beta0 :cool:

(Sorry I've no FB account so I cannot test the new fb integration)

18.06.2011: Updated file again ;)
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Skrobel:
Further feedback

I tested some more features and have one more finding:

When I set OpenNetCF browser as default feed viewer and then view single feed, it works fine until I click any external link, eg. "Read more Online", the full page loads into the same browser and hangs heavily. I would prefer that external links should open in default browser. Is it possible?
[Windows Mobile Software Development] meltwater:
Yep on the list! The control just can't handle full web browsing, so external browser is best option.

Still To do (extras): Item 8 - Capture url links in item view so browser can be used.

It is seriously stupid problem, there is a way to detect when a url is selected, but the control ignores any attempt to cancel the event message! Got a work around but still perfecting it.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Skrobel:
Ahhhh.... Main forum rule: Read before you post!

I slipped over the To dos somehow, sorry Man!

Nevertheless waiting patiently for the improvements, in the mean time still using the RSS Hub...
[Windows Mobile Software Development] meltwater:
It's ok, I post lots of info, and there are a lot of to dos! :D
[Windows Mobile Software Development] User_99:
BTW, a small contribution [83637846EL475324L.] to your hard work :D
[Windows Mobile Software Development] meltwater:
Thank you very much! Greatly appreciated.

I've got a business trip coming up soon so I hope to experiment with some new concepts while I am away.

Hopefully will be able to knock some items off the ToDo list then too.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] meltwater:
Oh, just thought I'd share with you a useful tip, which might also temporarily solve some of the issues with the beta "update feed" options (plus allow ways around carrier/company restrictions...).

The tip is this (and I will experiment a little with it myself later):

By using google feed burner you can effectively re-direct and re-format other RSS feeds automatically. You just use your google account and follow the steps to create your own feed urls of your own or in this case existing feeds (let me know if you get lost doing it and need some guidance - there are lots of options, most of which are optional anyway).

At the moment I use this method to allow me to access the YouTube feed for XdaTv on my desktop, which would otherwise be blocked. But chances are, by using the same idea, a lot of the problem feeds may well function correctly with the Update Feed option on the tab, as feedBurner tends to conform to the standards a little better.

Note: GoogleReader also does a good job of by-passing local blocks on blocked sites as it handles the RSS feeds internally on their servers.

I suspect that in some cases we might not have much choice (as some servers appear to reject the requests altogether - i.e. the direct facebook feeds previously mentioned), although I will continue trying and testing different methods.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] osiedacz:
A little something, for the effort.

Hey Melty, thanks a ton for all the work you put in here on XDA. Keep it up.

I just sent a little something your way. Thanks.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] meltwater:
Thank you so much for your support, it makes such a difference to know that people appreciate the work.

Don't forget to pm me with your device code.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] meltwater:
So far testing with the direct facebook feeds doesn't look good, it appears that the facebook servers do a check on the browser type requesting the info and rejects all the methods I've used so far to request the url.

So the feed based on the following:

http://www.facebook.com/feeds/notifications.php?.................

You get the following html page returned instead:

You are using an incompatible web browser.
Sorry, we're not able to support your browser. Please use one of the following browsers:...

Using the url directly in Internet Explorer Mobile and Opera all seem to work, so it appears it just has an issue with the standard xml url methods and the http GET methods...

Anyway, I'll see what I can do as it may provide a better way to download all the rss feeds and allow better handling of the encoding too (although doubt it will ever be that easy).
[Windows Mobile Software Development] meltwater:
Testing out method 4 for updating feeds...looking promising so far and appears to work for the facebook direct links, not tried non utf8 encoded feeds yet though.

Obviously as soon as this is working ok I'll do a small update as it'll be handy to have for everyone.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] illi:
MW

Good to hear of your progress:cool:
[Windows Mobile Software Development] meltwater:
Sometimes if you keep banging, the brickwall falls before your head splits open! :D

I never expected .net coding to be so stupid, there always seems so many different ways to do the same thing and it's only when you try, you find all these hidden roadblocks. The trouble is that by that point there is very little you can do since it's all wrapped up in dlls and the underlying code is so massively complicated anyway you can't hope to fix it.

Of course I do understand that to get information through the internet from anywhere in the world from a mobile device is incredible and there is a lot the code has to do in the background to achieve this, but at the end of the day, it shouldn't need the wheel to be reinvented each time you want to do it. *rant over* :)

Anyway, shall see where this route takes me, will test for the encoding tonight.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] meltwater:
Ahhhhhh I don't f...ing believe it!

Just spent hours trying to test things out using mobile data connection...only to discover when i did a last resort test and tried to browse...my provider has killed my connection for some daft reason...

I have a feeling it was because the billing period expired while I was connected, reconnecting and it's ok....helpful!!!

This might be why download doesn't work!!! Oh well, at least it means I'm as far forward as i was last night.