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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] aretzios:
I am actually surprised with these statements. This phone must have been defective. I do not what version of Rhodium this was, but the Tilt2 was quite responsive and the hardware is excellent. In fact, WM 6.5 with Sense (especially the latest ROM) is quite usable and very responsive. I love the phone and it is a pity that MS has decided to discontinue support for WinMo (and so have many apps developers).
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sigma20xx:
I upgraded to the Tilt 2 from a 3yr old razor, so I've been pretty good about holding on to phones. As much as I like the Tilt 2, it's lacking apps that I'd like so I might switch over to an Android phone in the future. Right now I've really got my eye on the epic. But then I'd have to switch over to sprint. I like the Torch a lot to. I'll decide what I want to do when my contract is up. I lost my freedom to do whatever I wanted when I signed up with AT&T again back in march.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] SC23:
I just want to say good-bye to my TP2. It was my first touchscreen phone and it really came in handy when I needed it for navigating, checking email and so on. Last week I made the switch to the Samsung Vibrant and man, it is sooo sweeeet. It beat my TP2 in all aspect, except for one major thing, and that is no sliding keyboard.

I would like to thank all the TP2 chefs for all their hard work and putting in so many efforts to give us their great custom roms. Thank you, NRG, Sergio and Ark666. You guys are the best and I will never forget you all.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] billybag:
This thread has been pretty enlightening. I have owned the Rhodium for only a few months now and i absolutely love it (it is my first smartphone though). I didn't start to really love it until i got into flashing NRG roms. I have to agree that it is rather slow, but my biggest complaint has always been app based. I always find great apps that i would LOVE but it is always android only, or in some instances, iPhone (Huge plants vs zombies fan). I can honestly say that if apps had no such restrictions, then i would stick with winmo. I have used android before on friend's phones and their is just soo much missing that i miss about windows mobile. It will be a whiiiile before i am ready/able to get a new phone and i am sure a lot of things will change. I wont get an iphone since i use tmobile and so i will have to choose between winmo and android and i may just go with android. At least i will have Rhodium to go back to if i am that unsatisfied. But yeah, i really think all these companies do these things on purpose.

EDIT: I need to point out that the reason i picked the TP2 was the sliding keyboard and i am GLAD i made that decision and it will most definitely be an important factor in choosing my next phone.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] billybag:
That actually sounds nice. I never even thought of that. I would deeply consider a Touch Pro 3, or whatever an updated version would be called, regardless of the os
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sigma20xx:
That's exactly why I chose my Titlt 2. I like the novelty of touch screen and all, but at the end of the day, nothing feels like buttons. Lets say I'm a cheap bastard who doesn't get insurance and damages my phone's screen. If the touch screen isn't working properly, I have those buttons to fall back on. Can't do that with a 100% touchscreen phone.

But like I said in my earlier post, the Epic and the BB Torch are looking really good to me right now. I just can't afford to run out and buy them. I'm sure by the time we can get our upgrades, something a lot better than what's out right now will come along.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] TEE82:
Just got a Vibrant, about a wk ago, and I absolutely love it! Very customizable and its speed is top notch. My TP II and NRG's roms has served me well for the past year and I had gotten it cuz of the keyboard but I had started to use it less and less and so, for my next phone, it wasn't going to be such a priority.

Thanks y'all for all the much needed help, tips, and info!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] XGhozt:
I'm so glad this thread was posted. I was starting to feel like I was the only one.

You nailed it perfectly. I would love to see an Andriod phone with the same screen and keyboard that we have on the Tilt 2. The keyboard on this phone is absolutely outstanding, and with custom drivers to rewrite any key it's 100 times better than any other device out right now. With the custom rom's and the right software configuration the phone preformed beautifully.

I think the real problem here, and what I'm seeing most people ignore, is the fact that it takes this much tweaking before it's an amazing device. And what's sad, is that the average end user isn't willing, or can't, take the time to get the phone to such a state. What I'm seeing more and more of, is companies designing hardware and software for mobile devices that work out of the box, and with limitations which otherwise leave the rest of us in the dark with the lack of customization. This lack of customization, gives all the power to the developers with little chance of software causing any real problems on these devices. This is why Microsoft is abandoning the WinMo OS; it's because to the average end user, at out of box, it's not easy to use.

If you're like most people on these forums, that's exactly what we're looking for; the freedom, the flexibility and ability to break the damn phone just because we installed a custom unsupported application to do something it wasn't meant to do. Unfortunately, we're in the minority and it pisses me off.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] hardcoreplur:
WP7 isn't a phone with a zune phone on it. all of the white paper and developer videos i have seen, it should be a pretty powerful device. With microsoft controlling the hardware requirements and XNA, silverlight and visualstudio for building apps, I have a feeling it should be a move from CE 5 wm6.5 to CE 6 wp7.

but i love my tilt 2, on hardware side. but the roms are horrible, NRG's last build (aug 11, i have right now) is good but is still buggy. i am hoping windows phone 7 is going to be more solid like win7 compared to vista.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] gromky:
Now that I run Energy ROM, things are much better. The phone is actually usable. It's a pity as the stock ROM was pretty good - it just kept not responding. I had a devil of a time (10-15 hours of research) to find the proper Chinese input method after I installed Energy. :mad: Energy has a lot of speed optimizations, and with BsB Tweaks I turned off even more "eye candy" slowdown features. I remain shocked that, out of the box, the phone was unusable. I simply didn't think that a company would release a product like that. Obviously, I misunderestimated Microsoft.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] aretzios:
You make many excellent points. However, IMHO, the Microsoft decision to abandon WinMo was a mistaken one. WinMo was very pliable, and the company could have easily tweaked the UI to make it much more user friendly. Instead of this and because of marketing pressures, it decided for a "new beginning". I hope it works well for them but there is little doubt that the first WP7 phones would be seriously behind the competition in most aspects. Essentially, they would resemble the iPhone circa 2007. They seem to be oriented towards the tweeners and the gamers. And this is not where I want to go.

Yes, even with Android, it does take a lot of customization for the phones to work as power users want them to. In fact, I foresee the time in which Android is going to be perceived in a similar fashion to WinMo. Too many devices with custom shells and various flavors of the OS. However, the manufacturers are OK with this because they do not pay anything to anybody. The manufacturers have absolutely no incentive to making WinMo or WP7 a success while Android is on board. It does not matter if the number of users is small or large, their incentives are to promote devices that maximize their profits. My guess is that at the end, Microsoft would have to start manufacturing its own phones and it would be just another iPhone, this time probably the wPhone!!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] aretzios:
I wish WP7 the best, I really do, but I won't be buying one for the same reasons that I do not want to buy an iPhone. I want to have an OS that allows me to mount whatever external memory device I want, to load whatever application I want (and not necessarily through the store) and one that allows file access. None of these are choices with WP7. Not to mention the lack of copy and paste and no multitasking. Why would anybody like to buy a phone running an OS that is so badly out of date is a mystery to me.

Maybe in the future, MS would address all the shortcomings of WP7. Maybe. The phone may actually fail commercially before that. Then, and only then, I would consider buying one. Even then, the impossibility of loading applications outside the store and the lack of file access (ala iPhone) would likely hold me back.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] aretzios:
I do not know what "misunderestimated" means (it probably means that you did not underestimate one?) but here is one to get you started: Microsoft had nothing to do with the Tilt2, Rhodium or other incarnations of this phone. The only thing it did was to get some money from HTC for the WinMo 6.5.1 running on this device. T

he specific ROMs of this device were coded and burned by HTC according to the requirements of specific carriers.

Microsoft has had nothing to do with the whole exercise. MS developed versions of WinMo 6.5 on "software versions" of phones and on "developer standard editions" and then shipped this generic code to whatever manufacturer wanted to use it. Then, it collected some money for each phone sold with WinMo on it. That's about all. And this is just about what Google does with Android, although it is not paid a penny for the OS. It makes its money by the users browsing the web and clicking on ads with their phones.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] dib_uk:
I went for the Rhodium as it was the best phone with a usable keyboard at the time. I really wanted an Android but the only one with a keyboard was well over a 18 months old.

I will be counting down the next 3 months until my renewal to get a Desire Z

http://www.htc.com/www/product/desirez/overview.html

I love my TP2 but never quite as much as I loved my first xda, the Polaris. I could have pretty (for the time) and speed on it, never quite found both on my TP 2.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] DLTempler:
I remain undecided. My TP2 operates a little slowly but I can live with it.

I just got my kids Android phones. My boy has the Captivate (Galaxy S). It's fast, its bright and colorful. But, MOST of the "apps" that the common folks want for their iPhones and Droids are just worthless in terms of functionality.

The WinMo phones have the greatest flexibility in customization. For the time being I still feel like the TP2 is the best phone for my purposes and certainly for business.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] aretzios:
It is important to enjoy one's phone! Regarding app support. Important ones are available for WinMo (Twitter, Facebook, Podcasts, Media Players). However, it is lots of the new stuff that it is not. For example, cable operators are releasing apps that allow one to watch certain programs on their phones or program their DVR through the phone. These apps are released on the iPhone and Android only. This applies to others.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ThaDSman:
I jumped from TP2 to The HTC Evo...and I must say, I'm lovin it!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] aretzios:
I thought of the possibility but the Evo does not have a keyboard and it is not a GSM phone. This makes it a non-starter for me.

What I would be looking for is an HTC Android GSM device with at least 4'' screen and a hardware keyboard running the 2.2 version of Android and possibly the latest version of Sense. None are in the horizon with such specs
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] pduncan:
Here here...., I second that. Although its not perfect, every phone I've seen has it's issues. My son got a Motorola back flip, it has issues. His girlfriend got a Droid Incredible (??) with Verison, it has it's issues. I have a friend with a IPhone with Lots of issues..... so... drive on Tilt 2.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] transam79:
I've had an iPhone for 2 years, and now that I have a TP2 (got it last month), I have to say that I'm really really enjoying it !

I don't care about MS abandonment, this phone works perfectly and there are so many things I can do that I couldn't do before, with the iPhone.

I mean it's almost like I was in jail and now I left my cell... I had to jailbreak my iphone to do what I can do with the TP2 out of the box.

I'll never buy an iPhone again, and I can't stand the fact that Apple make sure to miss some things in their last OS so they can "fix" it later with a new version of the OS or straightforwardly a new version of the phone...! And of course you will always have people almost jerking off when they see that. Have you seen the presentation video for the iPhone 4 ? When you hear the Marketing Manager, it's like he's going to cry ! Take it easy buddy, it's just the same phone with some new things inside...:confused:

Anyway, I don't know a lot about Android a not a lot about BBs... But I love my new phone, I first decided to take this one because I wanted an HTC and a keyboard, regardless of the OS, but must say that WM6.5 does the job done.

Anyway I will have to wait 2 years before I get a new offer so I don't think about changing my phone. Will see what comes out by 2012! TP3 ? :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sigma20xx:
That looks like a nice phone. It's just to bad it's going to be on Terrible Moblie. Otherwise I'd get it.

Good luck with that. A phone that good would be the size of a smart car lol.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] aretzios:
I do not think that there is a huge difference between a 3.7 and a 4.0'' inch phone and there are quite a number of 3.7 '' with keyboards including the Tilt 2
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sigma20xx:
You might not think so, but once they add that keyboard it's going to make all the difference. I didn't notice it at first, but the TP2/Tilt 2 is a huge phone compared to everything else on the market. Sure it's screen isn't as big, but this thing is thick. The Evo 4G is 6.3oz and the TP2 is 6.0 allready with a smaller screen. Now that I've been looking things over, I don't think we'll ever see a phone with a 4.0" screen that has a keyboard.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] aretzios:
Quite right, 4.0'' screen phones do not have keyboards but this is not because of the heft. In some of the newer devices, the keyboard is very thin, so a nice keyboard on a 4.0'' device would not be too difficult to do (and it will be done). HTC has produced bigger phones with keyboards in the past (Shift?).

Now, the TP2/Tilt 2 is smaller size-wise than the iPhone but it is indeed thicker. Personally, I do not find the device either too big or too heavy. It feels just right in the hand and while in use. I am not sure what a much lighter phone would bring to the equation. It is not as if I am getting tired (or anybody else is for that matter) holding the phone.

So, discarding the "wow" factor of a very thin phone, I do not think that there are substantial improvements in usability. Now, if they do not come up with a 4.0 '' phone with a keyboard, I would have to get a 3.7'' one and there are quite a number of these.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sigma20xx:
That wow factor is never going to go away. It's about smaller is better when it comes to phones. At least that's how some people think and as always, phone companies want to cater to the masses.

Go and play with a Samsung Epic when you get a chance. While it is everything I want in a phone (right now) it feels cheap like a toy or something. So in order for companies to put a keyboard on a phone with a big screen, it would have to be pretty flimsy to cut down on weight. Not saying that you aren't right about people getting tired of holding a phone or whatever. There is just a stigma that less intelligent people have with getting a bulky phone. Also, companies want to avoid "this phone feels cheap" in reviews.

Now if you ever had a chance to play with the EVO 4G, Droid Incredible or Samsung Galaxy S. You could see that sticking a reputable keyboard on these monsters is nigh impossible. They keyboard to the TP2 makes up what I would say 80% of the phone. So trying to balancy good/bulky with slim/cheap feeling is the problem I think they are running into. I think BlackBerry is the only one that gets this right, of course this comes at the cost of screen realestate and now we are back at square one with a screen that under 4".
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ChrissehB:
November 4th upgrade. I'm going iPhone :) Jailbroken ofc, can't be doing with Apple's restrictions D:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] lombardo8:
Is the Samsung Epic (Galaxy S Pro) not a 4' device with a 5 row keyboard?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] lombardo8:
October 6, going for the HTC Desire Z. Since we are not going to get the Epic in Europe and it is a must I have a keyboard, the Desire Z it is. I hope I enjoy my Android experience. Thanks WM for all the good times. I was never a power user and as such I could live with the crashes and freezes. The whole world is moving towards Android so even though it is hard to leave WM behind, I have to move with the times.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] XGhozt:
That HTC Design Z looks really nice.. interesting.. Going miss the whole "tilting" experience though. But I suppose sacrafices must be made.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] spiderpumpkin:
Love the Tilt2 and WM 6.x. When mine wears out I'll probably buy another Tilt2. Does everything I need. Hopefully if they make a Touch Pro3 it will be able to boot WM6.x. Really like the tilting screen and really don't like WM7. I'll probably switch to Android long before switching to WM7. However, I can see myself using the Tilt2s for several years longer if nothing better comes along with a tilting screen.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sigma20xx:
Oddly enough, I don't tilt my screen that often. It's just not necesscary.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] berrywr:
As long as XDA does what it always does I have faith that Windows Phone 7 or some variation of it will be incorporated into at HTC HD2 Leo, though not the Touch Pro 2. I own both the Leo and the Rhodium and I'm likely going to sell my Leo. We all know the reasons why but what aggravates me the most is there's a place for a Rhodium style device with today's CPU speeds and RAM?ROM. Whether HTC in its wisdom makes a device with the Rhodium form factor and the horsepower under the hood, I don't know. I understand the romance of having a capacitative screen but with a resistive screen it's like you can use your finger tips and nails, your finger pads and a stylus and then there's that magnificent keyboard which literally you don't need a stylus to use and that's a big deal to me.

Over and over and over using the pads of my fingers is an exercise in futility trying to click links on the web, some which are quite tiny; no problem with the Touch Pro 2.

I'm overclocking my Touch Pro 2 to 768 MHz and it runs as smooth as glass however will default to 528 MHz when I put the device down and conserve battery.

Now...the HD2 is as all have advertised; fast and can dual boot both Android (on SD card) and WM 6.5. I like Android and I'm continuing to learn it but for me my device is primarily eight things and that's it...make/receive phone calls, internet, text/Twitter messaging, Facebook/E-Maill, Sirius XM, Skype, You Tube and CoPilot Nav (GPS). Okay, Android has a gazillion apps but unlike many who are glued to their cell phones 24/7; I'm not. I like to put the damn device down and believe the world won't come to an end

when I do so.

Talk about on the fence...I'm absolutely in love with the HD2's screen...it's going to be a tough, tough divorce!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] berrywr:
Look, let's just say it; we want something akin to a Touch Pro 7...a Tilt 7 which has the cosmetic appearance of our devices but the horsepower under the hood of what is to be the HTC Mozart aka HTC HD7. We then can run both WP7 and Android 2.2. We can keep our resistive screen, our wonderful, wonderful keyboard and stylus. This is what I want for Christmas and you know what; it will never happen and sad thing is, it should. There's a market out there to have a device with the same form factor of the Rhodium and the horsepower of these new devices and it's a damn shame it won't happen.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sigma20xx:
You don't think the Samsung Epic fulfills this need? If it was for AT&T, I'd damn sure have one.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ButtonBoy:
While my TP2 has been a good tool for me, I am looking forward to something better. For me, the BIG THING that will make me go buy a new phone is multiple Exchange accounts. That feature is baked into WP7 and Android 2.2 phones. So that narrows the field a bit. Also, I have found that I do not use the keyboard as much on this phone as I did on my Tilt, so I will get a thinner screen-only device.

Then, as I look at WP7 devices, I find that tethering is missing. Not only that, but the APIs to make it work are not exposed, so it will be a while before anyone has a tethering solution available. That rather cripples the phone, IMO.

So I am left with the idea of a new HTC Desire HD. Beautiful shell and integrated cloud features. I am really amazed at all the apps in the different Android Markets- more than just sound emmisions, these are really useful apps. This should be useful for another 2 years, IMO.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] kosmarnik:
Staying on TP2 for a while. I looooooooove the device.

Words can't describe how much I love it :)

Tytn II was nice, a real workhorse and built like a tank. I sold it to a friend and it's alive and kicking.

Touch pro was sleek and loved the DPI (290 DPI looong before this whole retina display retardation) but missed the HW keys from Tytn II. Also built like a tank.

The friend who has mine is pleased and it still looks almost brand new.

Touch pro 2, well I was kinda disappointed with the all plastic build at first, but I held up nicely. The screen is awesome and big (big enough, don't need a bigger screen), the sliding/titling mechanism is butter smooth even now (The Droid sliding mechanism is, ugh, disgusting). But using it is a joy.

That said, the casing did not stand up to my daily +2hr use. I'll probably get a new casing soon (if HTC doesn't come up with TP3 ot TP3 equivalent).

WinMo? Meh. It's getting old but has enough core apps to still kick butt. I don't care for fart apps, and I do my mobile gaming on NDS and soon to be released N3DS. iSh*t/Android games are sh*te compared to it.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] steviewevie:
Another one seriously considering the Desire Z here.