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[Vibrant General] stepinmyworld:
Lol I Just want to say that T-Mobile offers some good priced service... better than any of the other major providers...I'm not sure about going over this gig and that gig.. but it doesn't say unlimited data usage... Its unlimited calling, internet, texting which is via the cell phone and not via a PC for tethering... so therefore nobody should be disconnecting their comcast high speed and using their T-Mobile tethering to save money... its a nice perk but come on now lol y'all can't be serious to complain about T-Mobile lowering the amount of data being sucked up by your internet fetish. But who knows... someone will complain so much that It will cause everyone else to suffer with higher bills to pay because people want to be greedy. Just my thoughts. This isn't directed specifically to the original poster. Much love people.
[Vibrant General] DarkAgent:
I absolutely hate the secret in-the-print limitations that companies have for their services. However, I also understand that many of these limitations are beneficial for most of us... they prevent ******** from abusing the service and lowering the quality of experience of the rest of us.
[Vibrant General] sl0play:
Of course mobile internet isn't where it should be but I'm sick of all this cap crap. I now have THREE data plans with different companies and I still can't do a much as I want. They ALL have a cap and there is no price plan for truly unlimited.

What if I do want to torrent on my phone? Why isn't that an option I can pay for? Comcast gives me a 50.Mb option and caps at 250GB and acts like your scum if you go over. That's like 1 hour at those speeds!

How about I pay a F ton of money and you just let me do what I want!? Im tired of companies pretending we don't live in this information age where its easy to use a TB in a month and then claiming to be the future. Yea all this 4G and 100 megabit internet stuff is just for checking email ;)

and for all you zomg they should cuts you off fer using all mah networks!!! people. I don't know how they did it. But props to corporate america for making you into such good soldiers. You would wish harm on someone else you don't know to preserve company profits. Be proud of yourself. I'm gonna open a pizza joint where I give you a large pizza and if you eat the whole thing I'll short the next guy a slice and tell him its your fault cuz your a greedy pig. What ever happened to live and let live?

Texted While Driving
[Vibrant General] shootr:
You might want to check this: Ads used 4 GB of my download usage!

It's hard to fathom some of the comments/attitudes on this thread.
[Vibrant General] Aphotix:
^ The guy who got their speed limited seems to care the least about it:cool:

Technically the T-Mobile terms say that tethering isn't allowed, but at the same time they provide http://t-mobile.com/phoneasmodem ... Honestly I think that the limitation is just to prevent disproportionate data use to prevent other subscribers from having crappy service, even cable providers can throttle your data speeds down if you use too much bandwidth (again in the fine print) and more interestingly, they advertise speeds much more directly.

Anyway, once you hit the first day of your new cycle, the data limit is removed, and you can start enjoying the higher speeds again. In the mean time, its still twice as fast as fast dial up, and three times faster than average dial up :D.

And they didn't cap your up speeds? That is pretty interesting...
[Vibrant General] Bugdog:
Please refrain from personal comments, especially such stupid ones.
[Vibrant General] gsvnet:
T-Mobile probably has one of the fairest policies when it comes to this.

Sprint does not place official limits on their 4G usage, afaik, but they do limit you to 5GB 3G. Verizon also limits you to 5GB's of 3G usage.

AT&T very clearly limits you to 2GB's of 3G at $25/mo, at which point you pay extra per each GB over that you need.

T-Mobile on the other hand has a higher cap than anyone else on 3G, and doesn't even cut you off completely or charge you overages. They simply limit your speeds.

I don't see a problem with that. Your data service still works, and you've already managed to push 10GB's through their network. The lawsuits are silly and simply taking advantage of a good thing.
[Vibrant General] larryccf:
as a data reference, i tether every nite 4-6 hours per, 7 days a week, (wife & kids are using the hard line computers)

i've been watching my data useage since Dec, and usually hit 3 - 4 GB per billing period.

the two months that i watched, with some regularity, online videos, i hit 6+ GB

you had to be running some serious downloads to hit their 10 GB ceiling
[Vibrant General] mornen:
I'm sure there are plenty of companies that will sell you a dedicated line for a F ton of money. Then you don't have to worry about caps. :-)
[Vibrant General] scrizz:
FiOS FTW

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[Vibrant General] Jon C:
That's simply not true.

Verizon has no limitations (caps or throttling) for phone data. None. If you constantly stream video over your 3G connection (tethered or not), for an entire month, you cannot hit any cap that would compromise that service. The 3G limitation is only for MiFi devices or dongle modems. In that case, yes, the cap is 5GB. However, phones have access to truly unlimited data, regardless of so-called 'abuse'.

I don't think the lawsuit is silly, at all. It's misleading advertising on the part of T-Mobile.

unlimited

adjective

not limited or restricted in terms of number, quantity, or extent

When the G2 comes out, T-Mo is going to push it for the HSPA+ speeds. That's what they're going to shove down your throat with the marketing -- the internet speed. Now, can you start to see the problems when they sell you an 'Unlimited Data Plan' for said device?
[Vibrant General] MMcCraryNJ:
As far as I'm concerned, the data plan is labeled "T-Mobile Android Unlimited WEB". For those who didn't grow up in the early 1990s, the understanding at the time was that the 'World Wide Web' (WWW) was not the same as the 'Internet'. I believe those terms still to this day have mutually different definitions, although it is easy nowadays to think both mean exactly the same thing.

So taking that into consideration, it would be almost impossible to incur 10GB worth of web consumption on a mobile device. They never said anything about unlimited "internet" use, which would constitute your file downloading, video streaming, tethering, etc.

While it is kind of a misleading thing to go on, it's the law of the jungle right now. Every carrier does it. And I don't believe this is to "punish" you or make you incur additional fees. Think of how many different ways they could nickle and dime you that would be much EASIER and more fruitful for them than putting a 10GB cap on your device each month, which most users won't come near. (If you're tethering and trying to torrent a 6 GB DVD image file, that's your issue)

Another way to think about it is looking on the other side of the fence. Would you want most of your area constantly taking the bandwidth, and leaving everyone to fight for the best speeds? This is why most ISPs have caps on uploading, because multiple people uploading all of the time on the same general cable modem division WILL affect your speeds. Since they want a good internet experience for everyone, they will limit everyone. It's nothing new. And it won't change unless this country catches up with the rest of the world and upgrades its broadband footprint.
[Vibrant General] Stresa:
If t-mobile's policy is to throttle your connection once you hit 10G ... Is that 10G per device or per account??

ie. If you have a family plan with 3 phones on the account, can 1 person be throttled for going over while the other 2 still enjoy full speed?

Sent from Samsung Vibrant
[Vibrant General] Tpavey:
I use Netflix streaming as my primary TV service. If I tethered that it would destroy a10gb limit.

Also with the popularity of downloading games such as Steam it is pretty easy to hit 10gb if you tether.
[Vibrant General] gordon.mott:
Clearly, you take great pride in being one of those people who like to ruin it for everybody.
[Vibrant General] Shrivel:
The Family Plans only apply to voice/messaging. Data is tacked onto each cell number's account as a separate piece, so I would imagine that exceeding the limit on one account would not impact the other accounts.
[Vibrant General] thunderstruck!:
Why would you characterize using the phone like everyone else does, and using 2-3 gigs a month as ruining it for everybody? I don't tether, I don't FTP "filez" through my phone or do anything shady.
[Vibrant General] r6kid:
Yeah youre right I don't care, I don't under stand why everyone thinks I'm the devil for using my unlimited data however I want :) now I don't plan on using it this much every month, and since everyone else is conserving there data like it's gold I don't see why I couldn't. I really only downloaded maybe 2 movies so about 1.4 gigs at 700mbs a piece, the rest is just stuff I've downloaded on my phone, and tethering on the internet and downloading things from ,this site.
[Vibrant General] SamsungGalaxySVibrant:
Wow your total disregard to obide by your t-mobile TOS is very shocking. You have admitted to tethering, and you are shocked that your speed is being throttled. You also have the audacity to say "I don't under stand why everyone thinks I'm the devil for using my unlimited data however I want."

Are you a child? Do you know the difference between right and wrong? How did your mother raise you to make you feel entittled. Why should everyone obide by the rules, yet you feel entitled to screw TMO over, and eventually screw all customers over when tiers kick in.

Why should you use your T-mobile data as a home internet replacement, and the rest of us should pay and suffer? Yes, because of customers like you, T-mobile will one day turn to tiered pricing. Yet you sit their with your cocky attitude, clearly breaking the TMO TOS, and you think it's perfectly fine. Get seperate internet for your computer, stop abusing the system.

I hope t-mobile cancels your service. As a paying t-mobile customer who obides by the TOS, I don't want people like you ruining a fine network.

Again, I really hope TMO cancels your service, then you will be stuck with the low caps on AT&T and Verizon. Maybe then you will get some sense knocked into you.
[Vibrant General] Jon C:
Verizon does not cap, throttle, limit or charge extra fees for 'phone bandwidth'. I've already posted as much, previously. The 5GB cap only applies to 3G modems like the MiFi. You could use your Verizon phone to tether, and burn through 100GB+. You won't be charged any fees, nor will your speed be throttled. So long as the data goes through a phone, they don't care. Again, the limit only applies to mobile broadband plans (no cell minutes), using 3G modems and dongles.

Verizon, like any other cell phone company, makes their money off of texting and people who go over their allotted minutes and plans. $2/megabyte, anyone? $.25/text message?

Also, to the post about the difference between 'Web' and 'Internet'? How's that 'T-Mobile Total Internet' plan treating you, these days? Oh? The Android device you're using isn't compatible with the full force of 'The Total Internet'? It can only handle the 'Unlimited* Web'? :rolleyes:
[Vibrant General] MMcCraryNJ:
Most of your posts are whining and complaining. Wah wah wah, my gps is borked and I can't wait for the update! Wah wah wah, T-Mobile is unfair, Verizon is so much better! Wah wah wah, Samsung should be groveling for our forgiveness for having a GPS bug!

Point is, why are you even here if you aren't here to help out the Vibrant community?
[Vibrant General] disturkis4u:
^^ coming from the person complaining about the terms of the warranty replacement and getting a refurb and whining about it lol

You people crack me up
[Vibrant General] Jon C:
Just facts, ma'am.
[Vibrant General] briguydj32:
Everyone *****ing about lawsuits, court, and whatever else needs to remember the mandatory arbitration clause in th contractthey signed
[Vibrant General] r6kid:
Did I ever say I was shocked? No I said I knew there was some kind of cap when they would throttle it down, and tmobile has already raised their prices on me and were jerks when it came to renewing my contract, the only reason I stayed on tmo is one of the in store reps was really helpful, and this phone. They treat their long time customers like crap and all carriers are getting in over their heads when it comes to their networks and data, is that my fault? No, they shouldn't advertise something if I can't use it that way. And your all forgetting tmo offers internet cards that use their oh so precious networks, if I had one of those would y'all be *****ing so much? Same network, just a different way to connect.
[Vibrant General] reuthermonkey:
It's not advertised as unlimited data. It's unlimited web ACCESS.

Get over the butthurt and grow up.
[Vibrant General] nearblack:
jesus christ you guys need to settle the **** down.

it's really not that big of a deal.

But, tethering, regardless of the ethics behind it is really not that great of an idea.

I was using it for about 2-3 hours today (no downloading, just TV show streaming), and I used 683mb of data. Thats more than I've used on my phone in the past 2 weeks. I'm still more than 8gb away from reaching the cap, but it uses a lot of data.

Using things for what they're intended for hardly yields any problems, so I think that's the safest and smartest route.
[Vibrant General] Stresa:
Playing the devils advocate here...It is somewhat ironic that tmobile preloads MobiTV on the Vibrant isn't it. Almost seems like they are encouraging streaming.

Sent from Samsung Vibrant
[Vibrant General] javacody:
You come from a family of attorneys? LOL Isn't that like saying you aren't a lawyer, but you play one on TV? Also, don't you need more than one person for a class action lawsuit Mr. My-Uncle-Phil-went-to-law-school-for-15-minutes? :)

Just having a little fun with ya. :D
[Vibrant General] javacody:
This is hilarious! :p
[Vibrant General] oc3rulz:
wow this thread got out of hand fast. the OP was just stating he got capped, he knew there was a limit just didn't know where. i can't believe some of the stuff people have said in this thread.

i have a friend that gets capped every month, since he tether's well (his roommate got them banned from their ISP), he flat out told T-Mobile I am gonna use the hell out of your internet since I don't have an ISP anymore. They didn't seem to care except they relayed the cap clause to him.

Long story short, if T-Mobile isn't butthurt, you shouldn't be either.
[Vibrant General] Shrivel:
T-Mobile may not be "butthurt" yet, but the more people that start using data in this way, the more "butthurt" T-Mobile gets. The more "butthurt" T-Mobile gets, the more we get passed the "butthurt."
[Vibrant General] r6kid:
This has turned into a retarded thread, feel free to delete this mods.
[Vibrant General] oc3rulz:
this could be true
[Vibrant General] SamsungGalaxySVibrant:
I SAID ALL IT TAKES IS 1 PERSON TO START A CLASS ACTION. Most class actions are truely instigated by 1 person who feels the company is doing wrong, this brave person starts the whole thing, then other victims are found, and finallythen everyone else is sent a letter to join in. UGH

Read in detail next time before you flap the flapper
[Vibrant General] scrizz:
how awesome the flame is!

omFg, I am sooo loving this Thread! :D

how awesome the flame is!

I can't wait until the people start suing each other on the thread!

:p:D:cool::D

I like how most people just post without reading.

and why would someone use the mobile for downloading games off steam and torrents..

It would be much faster, and the lag would be less if you play on a landline connection...

I can't say enough how awesome the flame is!

Right ON!

:cool::D

:cool::D
[Vibrant General] vigens:
I use the same plan, people with my G2x.

Here my issue(s) and some facts that need clarification...

T-Mobile has the highest cap, yes BUT the tiers down your superhero strengths at 2 gigs and so on and so forth. So by the time you reach the 10 gig pile of data you are seriously hitting tricycle speeds of ...get this...well under 1 Mb per s. I clocked my G2x at 38 KB per sec!!!

ALSO

The entire account will suffer not the single device.

Which brings me here

I need to stealth my data usage somehow. Excuse my complete jargon ignorance bit I am paying top dollar for less than dial up! Sorry but I will tether and I will download to my heart content but I will not succumb to this totalitarian efforts our networks giants have us in. Nay I say and be reasonable unto those that feel $100 - $120 a month is fair with caps like the above mentioned.

Cloak me with thine stealthing graces oh developer gods.

so..yeah enough of that jibberish

Please help I really at a stand still here.
[Vibrant General] shreddintyres:
When you sign a contract or agree to a month-month plan all this is outlined for you in the beginning, do i agree with the practice? NO, however if you are looking to use your mobile data connection as your primary connection you are using the wrong service. Personally i think t-mobile should include a tethering service at a premium with lofty caps, that would make sense to me rather than you pay a premium fee simply for the right to tether.

But as to the fairness of it all, you knowingly subscribe to the service and t-mobile doesn't hide the caps, ask any representative and they will tell you, if you want a capless mobile data plan i suggest moving to sprint or shelling out some cash for a separate mobile data plan.
[Vibrant General] joshorlikowski:
i have unlimited wit t-mobile and i use my mobile ap alot for my laptop and i get throttled alot and i only have a 5 gb cap getting to ten gb would be very hard to do in one month i dont think the cap is ten iam pretty sure its 5 gb
[Vibrant General] KWKSLVR:
I tether a decent amount. I typically don't "abuse" it. I have a Verizon Mifi but there are times when I don't have a signal, hotel WiFi is down, or T-Mobile is just plain faster and I'll tether because of that. There have been a few times where I've had no choice but to tether and upload HUGE files (like Gigabytes worth) because of work. When I say no choice, I mean that overages wouldn't keep me from getting work DONE. I've never been throttled. Maybe it's because I'm on an EM+ plan, but I can't even monitor my data use. Every time I log in, the attached is what I see.

I'd say I've probably had one month where I've used over 5GB's total through my Vibrant (tethering and regular data). On average I probably use 1 or 2GB's streaming radio and downloading podcasts. I don't consider using all 5GB's allotted to me as "abusive". 5GB's is clearly stated as the data limit. The reality is that if you aren't tethering it's REALLY hard to hit 5GB's even on 4G. The last thing we need to see are severely tiered data plans managed like AT&T and Verizon manage theirs. I'd prefer to enjoy T-Mobile for as long as I can (before the merger).
[Vibrant General] Handsome_Rob:
Tethering for $14/month

10gb is a lot unless you're tethering. Newer plans are making 10gb way more expensive. But did anyone else see TMo is planning on charging $14/mo for tethering? I was asked the other day when I was on the phone with customer care. WTF?
[Vibrant General] iynfynity:
They've been charging tethering for a long time.

I rarely hit 5GB because I limit my data usage now. It sucks not having a wifi. :/
[Vibrant General] Handsome_Rob:
Really? I've been using tethering since January on the Team Whiskey Roms and never knew that...guess that can't really tell if you're using it or not
[Vibrant General] reuthermonkey:
Umm. Yeah. Of course the "account" (ie SIM) is targeted. They're not stupid.

Get over yourself. You're not paying top-dollar. You wanna pay top-dollar and never get capped? Go to Verizon or ATT. They'll just charge you $10/gig after 2, 5 or 8 gigs. That'll add up, but you're "paying top dollar", right? :cool:

They aren't stopping you from tethering or downloading to your heart's content. At least not technically speaking. It's just unbearably slow after you hit their very clear limit. I've been capped numerous times, so I understand where you're coming from. Sort of. Except for the privileged ego. Jesus Christ... :rolleyes:

If you had an inkling of an understanding of how wireless networks worked, then you would likely understand why if everyone was downloading "til their heart's content", that the entire network would fall to the ground.

It's a matter of physics, little more. There's only so much data to go around in 5mhz of spectrum on a tower that covers 100 simultaneous users. Doesn't matter if its LTE or HSPA+ or EvDO. You remember the days of pre-DOCSIS cable modems? Shared network getting dragged into the ground by a couple users with tweaked modems? Of course you don't, but wireless companies do. That's when Cable internet was like ATT Mobility a year ago. When it worked, it was great. But half the time you had massive packet loss, and highly fluctuating speeds. Again, just like ATT Mobility.

Not sure why I'm elaborating. Wireless bandwidth is a

limited resource

compared to cable or DSL. If you don't like that, seek another medium for unlimited data transfer (I'd recommend cable, in comparison to wireless' 5mhz of shared spectrum among any number of random users, cable can bond as many 6mhz dedicated channels as it wants to for a single user.

Or switch to Verizon and just go clog up their network. :)

But do it before the 7th while they're still offering unlimited data... Otherwise $120/mo is going to be nothing. Hell, you won't get out of there for under $150/mo at best.

GOOD LUCK! ;)
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Lil-John:
Fellow xda-developers

As i'm getting another cell phone i want all my numbers that are currently on my topaz on my simcard. Problem is i don't find ANY way how to do that on windows mobile 6.5. Is there someone that can help me out with this?

Where that i can find it or how i need to do it..?

Hoping on a fast response

Greetings,

W.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bruce Inman:
Open Contacts program, go to Menu\SIM Manager\Menu\Contacts to SIM.
[Captivate General] irus:
I know that there are lots of these battery life threads and i have read most of them and I've tried closing processes that i don't need and i have tried setcpu to keep the cpu low when the device is off, which seemed to help some but my phone would shutoff randomly. So last night i had a full battery and went to bed when i woke up 8 hrs later i was at 20% so about 10% an hr not even using the device. I have attached some pics for reference does anyone have any thoughts that might help. Thanks
[Captivate General] tuxStyle:
I don't know about galaxy S but on my X10 the problem was wifi.

When I didn't have a data plan I had wifi on all day and the battery was down in 10h max 12h.

To improve it I had to use JuiceDefender to enable wifi every five minutes for updates..

Try to disable wifi overnight, reboot the phone and see what happens.

By the way, what app you used for those stats?
[Captivate General] irus:
I don't have wifi enabled, I don't use it that often. the name of the prog is system panel
[Captivate General] 88EVGAFTW:
Very weird indeed. I have my Captivate with Wifi on all day, GPS signal and auto sync and when I go to bed and wake up, the battery hasnt gone down at all. I had the phone go on full battery one day and I even sent a few texts and went online for 10 minutes before it lost just a bit of battery.
[Captivate General] hacker01:
Do you have that one LED app installed? The one that shows a little red dot on the corner of your screen when you have a notification?
[Captivate General] irus:
yes i do.. Why? but it was turned off last night, as its turned off every night