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[XPERIA X10 General] ddewbofh:
Allow me to play the devil's advocate here for a bit.

The info on the developer's site is what you as a developer can expect to work with. What if the multitouch bits aren't present in the current SDK because they haven't implemented it yet? Without conclusive information on the hardware we can't say anything for sure. It might be dual- or multi-touch capable and could be exposed in newer versions of the SDK.

It's very unlikely we'll get multitouch but quoting SE's page on the SDK really only tells you which APIs they let you play around with.
[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
One day. That's all I ask for. One day without a new Multitouch topic.

Is that too hard to ask for?
[XPERIA X10 General] ddewbofh:
Awww, is it bringing you down? If only there was a way to not have to relive this anguish, like some way to not read every topic posted compulsively. One day science will find a way but until then you just have to bear the pain... :P

Jokes aside, speculating and investigating is a nice distraction from waiting for the 2.1 update. :)
[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
Very true, but, on any other forum, reposting the same exact topic on a daily basis amounts to spam, and isn't tolerated.

This is the sketchiest "proof" on any of the threads so far. So sad. :(
[XPERIA X10 General] mootmaina:
TTTTTTTTTYYYYYYYYYYPPPPPPPPPPOOOOOOOOOOOO!

will never be multi and stop bringing it up. I have given up hope also so leave it at that.
[XPERIA X10 General] k1sr:
Hmm, it also says, and I quote:

"Exclusive to the X10, the remarkable Timescape™ app"

Haven't most of us here agreed that Timescape is more a waste of time, than 'remarkable'...

Well, I guess I'm wrong. That's just proof that it must be remarkable...!
[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
Nor is it exclusive to the X10...

*points to the X10 mini/mini pro, X8....*
[XPERIA X10 General] ddewbofh:
And it's also pretty good in the later iterations of the firmware. It's quite speedy now and I like it better than the stock Music app.
[XPERIA X10 General] _EriK_:
They are talking about Timescape, not Mediascape.

Someone told that the mini have MT and have the same screen as X10... I don't remember when I read that.
[XPERIA X10 General] metcard:
timescape is great and fast on the x10 mini but bloated useless crap on the x10 maxi.

on the mini its nice to use as a notification tool, such as missing calls and sms and when you tap on the widget it loads instantly and scrolls smooth.
[XPERIA X10 General] -PiLoT-:
this is actually very interesting because if its listed on the site and it stays there and is confirmed not be a type then im pretty sure they will have to implemnt it or they will be an easy target for class action law suits
[XPERIA X10 General] akshaysuri2000:
great finally with multitouch now X10 has become no 2 for no 1 call volume should be high;););)
[XPERIA X10 General] -PiLoT-:
for the love of sony ericsson would you stop going on about this

read this

http://www.xperiax10.net/2010/08/15/se-working-on-in-ear-call-volume-issue-for-xperia-x10/

and never ever ever ever mention it here
[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
At first I was like :\

And then I was like :D
[XPERIA X10 General] MarylandCookie:
I dont think the 2.1 update from s.e will bring any dual/multi touch capabilities even if the hardware supported it. S.E can easily lock it down via software if they should wish...
[XPERIA X10 General] sasan70:
why x10 dont have any custom ram?? because it dosent have bootloader??
[XPERIA X10 General] Daniel_GB:
of course x10 has a bootloader!!

but the bootloader is still lock!!!
[XPERIA X10 General] berbecverde:
Well... If you think this over then the logical thing is that we get the dual-or multitouch in the next upgrade.I really do not care about the multitouch since i like to use only one hand, but this cannot be a mistake on the website,it is written with pretty big letters and on a visible place, so i am sure it is not a mistake.

But only time will tell:p
[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
Just so you guys know, the page in question? It doesn't mention multitouch anywhere.

Clearly it was an accident, and corrected once pointed out. Can we move on now?
[XPERIA X10 General] berbecverde:
What are you talking about?

The thing it is still there.

Checked just now:confused:
[XPERIA X10 General] berbecverde:
this is better thank you .:p
[XPERIA X10 General] valuedsnake:
I'm thinking if the multitouch feature is only on AT&T, which means the touch screen from AT&T's x10 is different from non-AT&T ones. Only an assume though...some one ask the xperia support about it?
[XPERIA X10 General] irispen:
it is just a typo..
[XPERIA X10 General] viet2viet:
sue SE

Let`s All Sue SE`s For False Advertising, this way they will have to enable the dual-or multitouch feature for free, lol!
[XPERIA X10 General] Nimche:
This is what ATT website says:

Vivid 4-inch screen View photos, videos, and games on the gorgeous

touch screen

And I bet this is what sonystyle meant to say "Touch Screen" but the guy typed it had no idea what is the difference.
[XPERIA X10 General] rvictorg:
Where exactly does it say that? Because I can't find what you just typed out/made up. *EDIT* sorry didn't notice you said AT&T's site!

All I see is "Tantalizing touch screen. Sporting an expansive, 4" multi-touch screen, the X10 showcases..." *see the attached photo from above as well or scroll down the page a little.

This crap is getting super annoying for sure, I for one think it's capable or at least dual-touch, but that's just my gut feeling. The G1 has it, why wouldn't the X10?? Why don't we just call Sony Style customer care and complain that our device doesn't have multi-touch and see what response we get.
[XPERIA X10 General] Nimche:
No need to make things up when they exist and no need to type up when you can use copy and paste.

http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/cell-phone-details/?device=Sony+Ericsson+Xperia+(TM)+X10&q_sku=sku4840223

Cheers,
[XPERIA X10 General] gavriel18:
Cool thanks. I'm still a super n00b so i assume you're right. ;-)
[XPERIA X10 General] wrongfeifong:
My x10 have multi-touch. I think you all got defective version. It seem whenever i put 3 fingers on my screen, the screen stop my scrolling!

Therefore, i have multi-touch! Now go and return all your x10 back to SE and purchase an apple iphone 4g please. So i can read useful news and not some whinning.
[XPERIA X10 General] berbecverde:
You are a very funny man.:p
[XPERIA X10 General] ddewbofh:
What's up with all the haters? Most of us are here because we like the phone and a lot of us are hackers (true hackers, not the movie-kind). For those not in the know it basically means that we like to mess around with the devices' hardware and software. How is logical reasoning whether the device supports multi-touch a bad thing?

I remember back in the day, pre-internet, when we used to gather to read documentation, datasheets and just try figure machines out. The basic premise was that no reasoning was out of bounds and was worth investigating unless there was solid proof. So far we've seen ambiguous evidence at best, with the "official" word on it changing.

Until we have the actual technical specs on the digitizer we can't assume anything, undocumented features is pretty common and it would be far more logical for the screen in the X10 to at least support dual-touch.

You have to agree that it's fairly odd for a high end screen like the one we have to not support it. Multi-touch is so common in capcitive touchpanels now that it can almost be considered a standard feature, so entertaining the idea that it might be supported is not at all unreasonable.
[XPERIA X10 General] berbecverde:
Agreee.

And someone said that on the At&t website it does not say anything about the multitouch. But on the SE website they do. He also said it must be some mistake on the SE webpage.

But same can be true for whoever wrote the At&t website, and just write by mistake touch screen and not multitouch.:D Who knows.:D
[XPERIA X10 General] wrongfeifong:
the problem is, if i offer 300 bucks to change your x10 current screen to a multi-touch screen. Would you like to have it ?

Even if the screen is now multi-touch, will your software even support it?

Let's not all dellusion here. If SE say there won't be, and leave the idea out of your head because SE is determine that they don't want it.
[XPERIA X10 General] ddewbofh:
Well 300 bucks for enabling the feature, if it exists, is just insane. And as for the software support, if it has multitouch then Android will support it, end of.

And one thing to remember is that just because SE doesn't do it that doesn't mean someone else can't. People have been hacking Android phones since the G1 days and added features, this would just be like any other. Manufacturer support has little, if anything, to do with what's possible or not.
[XPERIA X10 General] phoneguy 4567:
It is surprising to me that some people seem to be bothered by the MT discussion, even though they say MT is not important to them. If that's the case people speculating about if it has MT or not shouldn't bother them since they don't care about the feature. I'm starting to think the people who are bothered by the MT speculation are bothered because they want MT, & found out after they purchased it that it may not support it. Now they are trying to convince themselves that the feature is unimportant to them & hate to be reminded of MT, a feature that many other devices support.

As far as the AT&T website not mentioning MT that's simple it's because it currently doesn't have it. AT&T wouldn't mention MT even if the hardware supported it because the software on the device doesn't have it, think of all the support calls they'd get.
[XPERIA X10 General] will.m:
Or maybe the fact that there are at least 2 new threads about mt Every.Single.Week. that ask the Exact.Same.Question. with the Exact.Same.Whining. about no mt. Speculation is fine, but we don't need a hundred threads about it considering the phone has already been broken down and no one has been able to identify the digitizer.

It simply gets old and if someone went back a couple pages instead of just posting a new thread, they'd see that there are numerous threads about it and even a "megathread" even further back. A simple look into the stickied FAQ would also give the definitive answer of "nobody knows." If the phane had mt enabled all of a sudden, it would be posted all over the place. Same thing with the custom rom.
[XPERIA X10 General] tigermrk:
strange how i started an exact same thread yesterday but was promptly close by admin.

are only a selected few aloud to talk about multi-touch?

if u dont wanna talk about multi-touch then dont , i dont see the problem in those that do.

at the end of the day ANYBODY buying a x10 now after reading sonystyle page stating it has multi-touch (typo or not) is entitled to a full refund. false advertising and if i had just got mine id be doing just that

in a away i hope SE release multi-touch with the 2.1 update just so i all u whinging multi-touch rejects who hate people talking about it finally see what the fuss was about.
[XPERIA X10 General] -PiLoT-:
i deleted your thread because this one already existed and there was no point keeping yours open

you would have realised this if you had searched and not searching is breaking the rules

if you had any dispute with the closure of the thread then you should have pmd me directly
[XPERIA X10 General] Lord Takyon:
From a personal point of view multi touch is not that big of a deal.

I am, however, not impressed that se say it has and that I was told on the phone by my carrier the exact same thing.

Liars never prosper, except se.

Swyped from my rooted X10i using Tapatalk.
[XPERIA X10 General] phoneguy 4567:
You would just assume SE would have put in MT just because phones older then it have the hardware capability, & what would be the point of leaving it out?
[XPERIA X10 General] miguelsantos1979:
Just adding a bit more fuel to the fire...

According to Sony Ericsson:

At the time of the announcement of Xperia X10 (3 Nov 2009) we confirmed on our product blog that Xperia X10 would not support the android core feature of multi touch at the time of launch. As the project has evolved we have subsequently announced that that Xperia X10 will be upgraded during its lifecycle with improvements in the User Experience Platform, incorporating software feature improvements and a later release of the android OS. However, owing to the particular hardware and software configuration of the X10, multi-touch capabilities will not be enabled in the core platform irrespective of the software upgrade. Whilst there has been intense discussion amongst online consumers about many of the detailed features supported by the X10, Sony Ericsson has at no point made any official statement indicating support of multi touch as a core feature of the Xperia X10.

Whilst Sony Ericsson does not generally comment on speculation about future product or feature announcements, our communication principle is to have an open and honest dialogue with consumers and we make the above clarification in order to avoid any mis-conceptions among purchasers of the Xperia X10. We have had extremely positive consumer feedback following our first shipments of the Xperia X10 and we are very confident that this product delivers a user experience that is truly unique and will delight consumers the world over.

What i understand from the bold text is that perhaps they were facing some problems enabling the MT due to some software and hardware incompabilities, although Xperia X10 has a MT capabilities. They might present us with MT in the end of Q3. Specially now that they entered the US market and there's a lot of competition.

Let´s be clear... it´s quite impossible that this phone has no MT capabilities due to the hardware.... it was released this year as a flagship! The screen seems a very good one and SE always uses the best screens.

They might be trying to avoid some confrontations with Apple...
[XPERIA X10 General] beno1:
It should be clear by now that SE doesn't want multitouch, so why would they use a mt-capable digitizer, which would obviously be more expensive?

With millions of X10s being produced, even paying 1$ more for a mt digitizer which will never be used seems kinda pointless :)
[XPERIA X10 General] phoneguy 4567:
It's not pointless to at least offer something other manufacturers have had before the X10 came out. If their reason for not having hardware support for MT was to save money per unit, & because they don't think customers need it I hope it bites SE in the butt in the long run. SE is not as "cool" as Apple to be dictating what customers need or don't need. When the IPhone is the phone to beat, love it or hate it, & it has MT, SE shouldn't leave out the feature.

I've used MT on the 3GS & Nexus One & I can take it or leave it it's not a big deal for me, but I can see how it is to some. It will be interesting to see if the next Android based Xperia will have MT as a highly touted feature, I personally think it will. If it does I think many X10 customers will think twice before they buy SE again.
[XPERIA X10 General] naplesbill:
So, we should be upset if the next Xperia device from Sony has upgraded features? Huh?
[XPERIA X10 General] phoneguy 4567:
No people shouldn't be upset about any upgraded features the next Android based Xperia will get. MT is not a upgrade but a feature omission on the part of SE IMO, if hardware support is indeed missing. MT is in plenty if not all the phones the X10 is competing directly against today, & judging by the number of threads on MT & the X10 one that many people are wishing it had.

I don't see people ditching their X10, but if I was one of those people who assumed MT was possible on the X10 & it turns out it won't be I wouldn't buy another SE product. Usually I would say people shouldn't assume anything but this is a SE flagship product, so logically why wouldn't it have MT.
[EVO 4G General] peteyo:
Figured i'd post my speed tests i was pretty suprised with the results. What cha think?
[EVO 4G General] mattrb:
I get that speed in Chi too.
[EVO 4G General] carlos117:
I've been getting average of 1.8Mb down and about 0.75 up with 3G for a while now. Does 4G at least use less power than 3g?
[EVO 4G General] bharris25:
Doesn't seem to, drains battery quite a bit faster. Personally I never really use 4g, 3g is plenty fast for me even streaming high quality video.
[EVO 4G General] peteyo:
its nice to use 4g when downloading, i guess i'm one of few with 4g avalible. Downside is less battery life, but worth the fraction of dl time.
[EVO 4G General] franky_402:
im in chicago too and can barely grab 4 megs down

are you actually in downtown chi or close burbs??
[EVO 4G General] peteyo:
im in the nw burbs
[EVO 4G General] hwnstyle21:
How's your speed while using the internet browswer? For some reason it lags a lot while trying to pull up web pages. I don't see this throttling while I'm tethering...only while using the phones standard browser.
[HTC Aria Themes and Apps] hashbrown:
What are some good games Aria ppl are trying? I know its small screen will deter some from playing games but it can handle alot.

I've been playing the Sims 3 for a while but I think there are some better graphic ones that it could do as well. The emulators are retro but has anyone tried psx4droid? Id like some feedback on that. MT3GS ppl say some psx games are laggy!

Sent from my Aria CM6
[HTC Aria Themes and Apps] DKuntz2:
Replic Island.
[HTC Aria Themes and Apps] breakeven:
Well I know the screen is small so I found that you can use a wii controller.
[HTC Aria Themes and Apps] Anthony1s:
You can do one of these with the WiiMote too! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rxJq6tQVw8&feature=related

As far as games go, I haven't downloaded many. I like Traffic Jam tho. I probably won't install any emulators for a while. I'm having too much fun with customizations to have anytime for games haha.
[HTC Aria Themes and Apps] eortizr:
Guitar Hero is great
[HTC Aria Themes and Apps] projectDz:
have you guys actually tried this on your aria? Or are you saying it is possible. Because from what i've been reading/tried, it isn't.
[HTC Aria Themes and Apps] Anthony1s:
Nah, I haven't tried it. I just thought it was pretty crazy and wanted to share the video.
[HTC Aria Themes and Apps] projectDz:
yea, unfortunately... the bluetooth stack used in our phones are not compatible with the wiimote. So unless that changes, you're not going to have any luck using that particular remote.
[HTC Aria Themes and Apps] tayytayy:
i really like snesoid + ROM Buddy.. its a really good way to kill time.. cant beat the classics..
[HTC Aria Themes and Apps] breakeven:
Not true. I have hooked up my wiimote to play game boy advance games.

Things you will need:

1. Rooted phone.

2. CyanogenMod rom. Nothing with HTC Sense. Again if you are using Stock, Stock w/Root, or Liberated Stock it will not work.

3. Goto market, download "Wiimote Controller" by C.C.P. Cre@ions.

4. Follow Setup on the app. It will set up as another keyboard. Only useful for a handful of other apps, but like I said I use it for GBA
[HTC Aria Themes and Apps] projectDz:
thanks for replying, i've been trying to find out if the cyanogen rom made changes to the bluetooth stack. Asked it twice and no resonce in that thread. Figures that I'd get an answer here lol.

This is good to know that it works when i make the switch from liberated to cyanogen
[HTC Aria Themes and Apps] drwatson1234:
I too am running CM6, and use the wii remote for SnesLite. Makes me much better at Super Mario Kart.

Enjoy!
[HTC Aria Themes and Apps] Kizzmiazz:
Amtalee on the market is cool as hell free version is cool but does not last long and had to purchase paid version ;)

ROM : Cyanogen Mod - CM6 - Liberty - RC0
[HTC Aria Themes and Apps] Anthony1s:
Thanks. It is awesome. I'm gonna try Gameboid later and see if I can get Advance Wars for it.
[HTC Aria Themes and Apps] asiancuta:
Guns 'n' Glory FREE is a great tower defense like game with a Western cowboys and indians twist. even the free version is hard enough to keep anyone entertained for a good while.
[HTC Aria Themes and Apps] ominously:
I like the games My Paper Plane 2, and Home run Battle 3D... The touch screen controls on the aria such too much for proper emulator gaming
[HTC Aria Themes and Apps] kura808:
Since not many people talked about the emulators, I guess I shall write a bit.

So I've been playing around with the emulators for the past week or so. I have the SNESoid, Gameboid, and PSX4droid emulators. Anyway first the SNES emulator. For the most part, games play pretty well. There is some occasional slowdown but not much. There is a bit lag though on games that use the SA-I processor (mario rpg and kirby super star). Sound on a few games are a little choppy but for the most part, it's decent. Just have to tinker with the settings. Games like super mario world (i have all stars) plays very well. Chrono trigger plays nicely too. I have close to 20 roms right now.

Next is the Gameboid emulator. I have a few roms for the gba emulator (FFI and FFII, and a gundam game, have tried a few others but decided to delete them lol..). I must say, the gba emulator runs the best. It's seems like the Aria hardware was made to play gba games lol. There's no lag whatsoever and the sound is great! I find it ironic because the gba had better hardware than the snes so you would think the snes roms would play better. I think later I'll try more roms like advanced wars or something.

Last is the PSX4droid emulator. Well let's just say it can play the games. First game I tried was chocobo racing. It was a little slow and the sound was bad. Then I tried digimon world 3. The game played well but a little slow and the sound was also bad lol. I'm going to try brave fencer musashi and warcraft II next. Both are currently being downloaded.

Oh btw...I suppose it would make a difference but during my gaming, I only had around 30-40mb of ram. Maybe I should've killed the other apps to gain more memory. I suppose it would run a bit better?
[HTC Aria Themes and Apps] hashbrown:
Angry birds beta is the funnest game i've played on the aria yet!

http://www.mediafire.com/?j797r19xtm78g1z

This version works fine for the aria but the screen at the front title is it a little too clustered
[HTC Aria Themes and Apps] pcruz:
angry bids beta

battle for mars lite

sky force reloaded

what the doodle

wordfeud

air control

robo defense
[HTC Aria Themes and Apps] ryan92084:
Good review, I've only tried snesoid thus far. Super mario rpg did see a bit of a speed up for me when I switched to cyanogen. I think I still had to set it to skip a 4 frame max though. The audio was fairly bearable then.
[HTC Aria Themes and Apps] projectDz:
Thanks for posting man. What ROM are you on? and have you tried the PPX emulator with the overclock kernel?
[HTC Aria Themes and Apps] Anthony1s:
Everyone definitely has to give Space Physics a try or at least look it up. I recalled reading about a similar game for the iPhone a year ago and was soo excited to find it for android. It's very challenging and lots of fun. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydaSxYj7zFs
[HTC Aria Themes and Apps] kura808:
I'm using the stock rom, 2.1.

I'd imagine froyo and the overclock kernel would make things run much better.

I noticed all psx roms have crappy sound on our phones. If you search on youtube, there's a guy who posted a vid playing psx4droid on his legend so you can get an idea of a stock phone (legend has the same hardware as us). I'm hoping the guy updates the psx4droid app..they say he took the money and ran lol... >< i hope its not true.

btw one thing that makes the roms run a little better is using the icetea 1.3 software. it converts the psx roms into eboots. plus it makes the actual file size a bit smaller and i'm guessing more tolerable. they use the same program for the psp to emulate psx games.

btw i'm playing warcraft II xD works well but sound off lol..