yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] djkms:
That is very odd. The PNG file is in framework and has the same properties as the other circle battery PNG's... no clue man. I guess just dont run your battery so low!!!!! :eek::cool:
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] IShootPixels:
Installed this theme over the Blue Detox. Now having problems attaching pics to text messages. I use the stock app and have also tried the Hand app but neither works. They'll send straight text but not a pic. Any ideas. I tried searching on my phone but its kind of a pain in the arse. Thanks for any help.
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] IShootPixels:
Here's what I get. Coincidence?
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] djkms:
I'm guessing its more of a Rom issue. Mms. Apk is not part of this theme. I would say restore your backup before you installed the theme and see if you still have the same issue.
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] djkms:
Ok I was able to reproduce the issue after several tries. I will restore my Rom and see if its a Rom or theme issue. I really only edit png files and haven't touched the mms app so Im not sure how to fix it if it is indeed a theme issue.

Edit: figured out the issue. It's a services.jar conflict. The only way to resolve it is to go back to the stock jar file for now. This means the notification window will no longer be transparent. I will try to have a update available tomorrow.
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] Hand76:
Old looked better anyway. :p

BTW dj (again not a big deal) but the phone icon that usually comes up red for calls (in the notification tray) shows up blue when a call is connected via bluetooth.

Maybe that image is hidden somewhere else in the framework? I dunno just though I would point it out.

Goodnight dude.
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] djkms:
I actually left the bluetooth call connected blue on purpose to distinguish bluetooth from a normal call. I will look into a different icon for bluetooth call but keep it red..
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] Hand76:
Only if you want to. It really doesn't bother me I just though that maybe you missed it. :) Anyway off to bed take care dude.
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] Hand76:
I just tried sending a couple of texts with pictures and they all went through.
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] SerialKilla:
First off, I love this theme, but I have one question /request: the power control widget, is it supposed to be skinned? If not, is it possible to skin it? I use it and the original green is killin this... lol. Thanks in advance! What's up hand!

Edit: I'm running Virtuous 2. 7 ROM, not the skyraider anymore... if that makes any difference...
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] djkms:
I have not skinned the power control widget yet, its something I plan on doing and hopefully facebook.

Things for me are very up in the air so its hard to say when it will be complete. Sorry :(
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jimbo29:
As i seen that are few Android builds but most of them doesn't have a Sense build i thought we can give a hand to the chefs...

So i'll start a poll and let's see how many of us want Sense or not!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Duke Nukem 3Dfx:
with Sense
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] chungkai0111:
I hate sense...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jimbo29:
I like with HTC Sense because of the looks and functionality as phone and sense widgets!

And it's closer to HTC look from winmo...

Cheers!:)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] zelduy:
sense in winmo owns sense in android.. so I vote for non sense..

but I really like the Facebook inegrated with contact in sense.. like the link thingie...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jtcin2u:
sense is just another HTC winmo layer over android.. Not my taste.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] 暗黑王:
i don't like the sense.....
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] prince13:
I like sense cos it makes my phone look like a premium device
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ceno666:
no sense
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Kangas1000:
For me I say Sense!

Most for the language part...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] thesweeney:
I say "with Sense"... but I said that in the other poll about this subject too :rolleyes: :p
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jan-willem3:
Why a double thread:

Search before starting new threads.:mad:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=735787
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jigners:
With Sense as UI on Android is like this

Plain Android Froyo - first photo

Android with Sense UI - Second Photo
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Zenny_:
I thought there were sense build in to Android now :S?

I vote with!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] waldemator:
I don't mind, the way I see it Sense is not as bad as some users here describe it...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jigners:
Guten Morgen!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jimbo29:
I made this poll in order for the chefs to take into considertion our opinion about how they make builds with or without sense...

If moderators consider to delete this post... i have nothing against it.

And yes i would like the latest android build to have sense;)

cheers:)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Pooper:
Tough one really. I like "some" bits of sense... but to be honest I think i prefer Android without. I prefer the stock keyboard.

Although I 'do' like the 'scenes' you can pick from, using Sense

hmmmmmmm decisions decisions!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] boysha8:
definitely with sense. android sense is much better than winmo sense, it does not hog the cpu or anything, plus it is highly customizable. you can choose what options you want and dont want.

It makes the phone look really cool, rather than the boring homescreen with just shortcuts
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jaidedfocus:
I prefer sense. Been using a standard build since the 18th and its cool but I like built in customization sense offers. Plus I love the weather animations on my screen :lol:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] hoss_n2:
android is useless without sense , very limited functionality , not like windows
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] smokinmacgun:
Is Sense or No-Sense really relevant to developers? They cook for their on tastes not what the XDA chavs demand. It's all very well saying that your trying to 'help' the Devs, but its not help, it's just exerting pressure and being rude, The devs do what THEY want for fun, they should ignore this kinda thing totally.

As an example, in the early day of android on HD2 sad acts were coming onto IRC channel and saying to darkstone that his builds were crap and that Sense is awful, This seemed to influence his decision in giving sense a break.

this is just a continuation of that under a pseudo-helpful banner.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] wii60own:
I like Sense for WINMO, yet to try it on android.

my girlfriends got a desire and I have been playing around with her phone and sense is really good for android too the widgets and the layout.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] phatsua:
i'm not a huge fan of Sense but the Facebook integration is great, can this be done somehow on the stock build?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jimbo29:
I think you exaggerate a bit ...

I think i forgot my knife at one chef's neck...lol

It's an idea and that is all, we are not giving any stress to chefs; it's their own free will to consider this poll or not!

This place is for anybody who want to share their ideas and knowledge for pushing forward the experience of new possibilities!!!

I hope i'm not being rude, in any way and i made myself understand!

Cheers!:)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] suua:
Clean android, very classic :) love it, and one thing Android without sense, is much smother then with HTC Sense, my opinion :)

But the HTC Widgets are awsome :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] andytham:
With Sense... \
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] g2tl:
The only thing that's holding me back is weird sms restore bug.

Basically, whatever app I use to restore, all my messages are separated between sent and received. So I have two different threads for each person.

I don't have that problem with non-sense ones, at all.

Oh, and sense sms app is fairly laggy :/
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] lebmb:
Develop With Sense

with sense, all the way, otherwise i might as well use a donut build on my old tilt.

used HTC Sense on the Android Port of the Touch Pro 2, currently still using it on the Motorola Droid which as a rom has issues but i was willing to put up with it for the way things work together and convenience and yes it looks awesome.

i just picked up a HD2 for a really good price with a cracked screen, but i wouldn't have bought it if android port wasn't as good as it is and had htc sense.

so yeah either sense or i might as well use windows lol

not really but all the power to the devs working on sense
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ferdaus:
In my opinion, with or without Sense is a question of balance between performance and usability. You'd have to sacrifice one to achieve the other. As Android natively already provide us with good (if not better) interfacing experience, thus it is only now relevant to the individual user preference.

Think of it as a special identity of HTC, distinct from others.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Hassan99:
sense ^^ 10chars
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] masondoctorjt:
I like the sense weather and weather animations. I do like sense, it set's HTC apart in a good way.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ForceField:
I like sense a lot but sometimes I feel that I need more(depends on the mood) this is why I always install with it LauncherPro.;)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Banschee:
At first i liked Sense better(Darkstone Froyo Sense), but now i really love the pure version (shubcraft)

Plus, it seems to work pretty smooth except some laggs sometimes.

And the Battery lasts longer due do Ultimate Juice ^^

But, i´ld like to see more Widgets on Launcher Pro, i.e RSS Feeds

(Yayyyy, first Post ;-)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] UN150N:
sense

i have to say i love sense !!!!! i think its the extra widgets you get that makes me like it more ( cant live w/o the calendar widget and the weather clock)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] shadow666:
With Sense! Its beautiful, but not for everyone!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] The_wolf88:
I like it with sense
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] smokinmacgun:
I get what your going for, your not trying to be rude or exert pressure (careful with that knife though...) My point of view is just that chefs should be free to build as they choose, this thread is great for expressing your opinion on a well argued topic, however:

"how many of us want sense or not" <<< that's the part I'm picking on, it's makes every post in the thread a request for the posters desired flavour :p

To presume to ask a chef what to make (or politely request) in their spare time (which is what most Devs use I wager) is perhaps a little rude as I see it.

No knifes, but maybe its a little pushy? (sorry I over exaggerated a little in my last post :rolleyes:)

and reading throught this thread, everyones being much better about their opinions than normal in the Sense/No-Sense argument, Props for constructing a thread were the two constantly arguing sides can be at peace :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Ibb1982:
I like little things like the keyboard on sense opposed the stand on nonSense.

I do like also the way Sense Android intergrates with internet opposed nonSense.

But then again nonSense Android which I am currently running is cool too.......I'm trying to decide now which I prefer
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Garrylufc:
The intigration is a plus for the sense builds.

Also little things like it remembers your email address after 2 letters so you can click for speed while filling things in.

There are some good widgets in stock on market but you have to pay for them:(

Tryed all kinds of builds since the first Android came out but its Defo Sense all the way......:)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Mnemoch:
I am running with Sense but have the stock keyboard (I deleted HtcLockScreen and HtcClock to get the standard lock screen back and the keyboard changed!) and use the standard launcher...so I guess I'm conflicted!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] sh_mohanna:
Absolutely with Sense
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] odoss:
with or without this isn't important :

The most important here si to have a DAILY STABLE phone to use it espacially the volume and calls after that we can look for the graphics, but for me this is the major thing to take it into consideration.

anyway i'll answer to that question : i saw that without the sens it looks good !
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ivo34:
i DON´T LIKE ATT ALL WINDOWS SENSE,BECAUSE DOES NOT WORK PROPERTY,BUT IN ANDROID IS AMAZING!!ABSOLUT WITH SENSE!!!(WITHOUT SENSE ANDROID IS LIKE A IPHONE!):D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] anrabi4:
Android with Sense is like owing a Mac and trying to apply a Windows 98 skin.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] wixxer:
Without... Though the sense magnifier is superb... Can that app be extracted somehow?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] smeddy:
I'm very surprised I voted for non-Sense, but ShubCRAFT's ROM is so very good, clean and minimalistic, so for now, it's a no-vote.

I do expect my next ROM download to be another attempt with Sense though :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] GbrilliantQ:
I've used both. Right now I'm running without sense and love it. I'm sure ill have sense back with future builds.

Sent from an HD2 running Froyo
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] evolutionqy7:
i dont like android sense...mainly cause of the colours and layout and shapes of it on android...think Windows sense is much nicer and looks more nice to the eye
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] demroger:
SENSE BECAUSE ITS THE BESTTT!

The Great looks n very useful widgets which I use everyday for example the music widget, the designs are great.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ricky886:
i like wm with sense but i don't like android with sense

and i like android sense keybroad:D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] zakpc klooier:
I like some sense widgets like the friends,contact and calender widget.

And the themes selection are super handy.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] gnash.s:
I like it with the Sense. the homescreen is okay, there are other nice alternatives. But the sense in Mail, contacts, facebook are really good. Especially the Mail app. Mails are sorted and tabbed very nicely. If I have to find an email with an appointment that I missed to accept, that last tab comes quite handy. Same with other tabs. It's very useful instead of scrolling through multiple emails. Also, the facebook integration is pretty useful when I am looking for just the new photos.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] lacusxharo:
I use sense builds + launcherpro. sense builds (desire) has more functionality, but the homescreen layout just isn't my thing...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] djdant:
I go with sense, I'm a social network user & I love the integration!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] venomhtchd2:
Count me in Sir! with Sense please!!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] wjhbaby:
i like sense,but i hate the touch screen freezing.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] qipengart:
I like both options. It works well I am glad.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] hoss_n2:
mattc sense
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] wkharposh66:
with Sense
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] damascus211:
Non-Sense

This is non-sense. While I understand what you are trying to do, let me just say that cooks open their windows to let us take a peek at their work, but when they open the door and invite us in, the least we can do is appreciate it (their work) and don't try to pressure them into build in one style or another. Let their creative minds dictate what their master pieces will be like, because whether you like "sense or no sense" we are all guests in their homes.
[Captivate General] kennethpenn:
I got my review unit of the Epic 4G in the mail and I wanted to update everyone on the performance of the device in comparison to the Captivate.

The Epic is indeed optimized for speed unlike the Captivate. It scores a 960 stock on Quadrant and obliterates the Captivate in every day usage.

I would go as far as to say that Samsung has eliminated the "stalling/lagging" problem with their latest software, which gives me great hope that future updates for the Captivate will sport the same fixes.

The Epic 4G's performance is akin to the Captivate w/ EXT2 Lag Fix or the NAND fix pre-installed... which is blazing.

Oh, and GPS is working. ;)
[Captivate General] Clienterror:
Cools, by GPS working you mean it doesn't lose locks while driving or you mean your out standing on your deck and it works......
[Captivate General] rob989_69:
Very nice. I've actually noticed the JH3 ROM is a good bit quicker as awell, which bodes well for the fact that it CAN be fixed via software upgrade..
[Captivate General] Main Target:
I understood that the Epic 4G was a Galaxy S Pro and had different hardware?
[Captivate General] shep211:
Wrong the epic has the rfs file system same as the rest of the galaxy s phones. It will need lag fix and it will be slower then the rest since the lag fix will be the sd card lag fix. The captivate has the slowest rom. If you just change the rom to I9000 it will run the same as the epic. You prove this your self by posting the quadrant score. If the file system was fixed it would get 1600 to 2000 stock. The droid x has slower cpu & gpu and gets 1200 to 1400.
[Captivate General] Unhelpful:
The RFS subsystem is not such a poor performer on OneNAND, which is why the symlink-to-/dbdata hack works. It seems to be poor only on SD, but it's possible that the I-9000 ships with a newer module that helps with that.
[Captivate General] kennethpenn:
You clearly don't understand what I posted. The Epic is, in my opinion, faster than the Droid X. Quadrant scores are not to be trusted. The Droid X's I/O score does not represent a boost in real performance. The Epic does not need the lag fix... I would know because I have it. And I have a Droid X comparison. Working on a Droid 2. ;)

I have tried i9000 ROMs on my Captivate. They work better, but still need the lag fix. Epic is fast right out of the box for me.

Having said all that, it is possible that using a lag fix will still boost speed. But I haven't seen one delay or stall so far, so I'm doubtful there will be any noticeable boost.
[Captivate General] TGA_Gunnman:
rfs file system is called riser file system. it has been around the Unix world for decades. its an OK filesystem. no journaling log so should be fast on nand.
[Captivate General] shep211:
The truth is its the same rfs partition as all the galaxy s phones and you will need the lag fix. Sure it runs great. My Captivate did 2. Then I tried the lag fix and seen how much faster it could be. Try the sd card lag fix and watch how much faster market, browser & camera opens. Then watch your benchmarks double. Then come back and tell me theres no lag due to file system.
[Captivate General] andars05:
Try running the tool "Benchmark" from the market. What's the filesystem score results?

RFS is not reiserfs. RFS is robust file system, a proprietary filesystem by Samsung based on fat32.
[Captivate General] kennethpenn:
Quadrant is BS. If you don't believe me and every experienced dev on this board, believe Cyanogen. The I/O test needs to be fixed on Quadrant.

I have the Captivate - stock speed is not half as good as the Epic's stock speed. Epic does not need the lag fix.
[Captivate General] Unhelpful:
And ReiserFS does use a journal. Reiser4 uses a "wandering" log that is probably very similar to a log-structured filesystem in terms of performance and suitability for flash.
[Captivate General] kennethpenn:
Here's the "Benchmark" application's FS results.

Total:

98.67

Creating 1000 empty files: 4.768 sec

Deleting 1000 empty files: 4.273 sec

Write 1M into file: 6.203474 M/sec

Read 1M from file: 192.3077 M/sec

Again - these benchmark apps are only testing creation, deletion, read, and write. There are other important parts that makeup a device's speed when interacting with files.
[Captivate General] shep211:
Are you running stock captivate? Just running the I9000 rom makes it a lot faster. Load up I9000 rom and post video of the speed difference of the two phones. Use market, youtube, camera & browser to test speed differences. Then load the captivate ext2 internal storage lag fix and test that vs epic. I would love to see the results. This has nothing to do with quadrant.
[Captivate General] justanothercrowd:
Exactly.

Nothing more nothing less.
[Captivate General] Unhelpful:
Those are much better than on Captivate without lagfix. I suspect they just put /data on internal NAND... have you checked what device is mounted at /data with adb.
[Captivate General] The Bishop:
Have a buddy that works at main local Sprint store, have also seen and played with one and yes, it's faster. I get what you're saying re: no need for lag fix. If I had not played with one I would have thought "but adding a lag fix will make the fast speed here much faster!" ... which I don't so much agree with ... that is probably the resistance you're seeing here I think.

Seeing it work like that with the same hardware (presumably?) gave me some hope :)
[Captivate General] Unhelpful:
That hack could be applied to any I/O benchmark. I/O is fast on ramdisk? Stop the presses!
[Captivate General] shep211:
Here is some info posted in the epic forum.

we have 1 gb rom **confirmed!**

256mb goes to system

512mb goes to data

175mb goes to cache

8mb goes to kernel

8mb goes to recovery

65 mb goes to bootloader and database and modem.bin and filesystem map

137 1 256 bml1

137 2 256 bml2

137 3 10240 bml3

137 4 1280 bml4

137 5 1280 bml5

137 6 5120 bml6

137 7 7680 bml7

137 8 7680 bml8

137 9 274944 bml9

137 10 526336 bml10

137 11 179200 bml11

137 12 12800 bml12

rootfs / rootfs ro 0 0

tmpfs /dev tmpfs rw,mode=755 0 0

devpts /dev/pts devpts rw,mode=600 0 0

proc /proc proc rw 0 0

sysfs /sys sysfs rw 0 0

/dev/block/stl6 /mnt/.lfs j4fs rw 0 0

tmpfs /sqlite_stmt_journals tmpfs rw,size=4096k 0 0

none /dev/cpuctl cgroup rw,cpu 0 0

/dev/block/stl9 /system rfs rw,vfat,llw,check=no,gid/uid/rwx,iocharset=utf8 0 0

/dev/block/stl10 /data rfs rw,nosuid,nodev,vfat,llw,check=no,gid/uid/rwx,iochars

et=utf8 0 0

/dev/block/stl11 /cache rfs rw,nosuid,nodev,vfat,llw,check=no,gid/uid/rwx,iochar

set=utf8 0 0

/dev/block//vold/179:1 /sdcard vfat rw,dirsync,nosuid,nodev,noexec,uid=1000,gid=

1015,fmask=0000,dmask=0002,allow_utime=0020,codepa ge=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1,s

hortname=mixed,utf8,errors=remount-ro 0 0
[Captivate General] _Opiate_:
Hmm I'm not sure what to think about this but at the same time I haven't played with an Epic. If it does however run better with the same hardware that should be taken as a good sign.