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[Windows Phone 7 General] microhaxo:
I realize this but he mentioned a simultaneous North American launch, why make specific note that it's launching in The States and Canada at the same time AND mention right after that Canada has multiple launch carriers but fail to say the same about Amercian carriers if that were true?

So since we know dell isn't going to be present at LAUNCH, that means that possibly there will just be the one phone planned for WP7 around november.

Sprint is showing ZERO signs of having any WP7 phones at launch, same with verizon so it looks like ATT is stealing the show like previously assumed.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lordcanti86:
Don't have any idea of how recent the info is, but according to PhoneArena the Dell Lightning DOES support T-Mobile 3G

http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Dell-Lightning-phone-pa_4595.html

As far as everything else, having the Lightning along with a couple other low/mid range WP7 phones would fit in with T-Mob's way of doing things. It's WinMobile selection was never anything to write home about...except for the HD2. Awesome exclusive Android phones? Keep looking elsewhere....until the G2 is released. So it would make some sense that T-Mob would have a paltry WP7 selection....except for the Lightning.

Another T-Mob WP7 tidbit: Schubert spied on leaked roadmap (one that correctly called the release of the HTC Vanguard/G2 in Sept.)

http://www.tmonews.com/2010/07/is-this-a-real-leaked-t-mobile-roadmap/comment-page-1/#comments
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
He also didn't say how much phones would cost in the US. OMG!!!! That MUST mean they're going to be $1000 on a 10yr contract!!!!!!

The interviewer is Canadian. The Microsoft employee is Canadian and works in the Canadian business unit. The interview took place in Canada. Why is it surprising that they didn't discuss what's going to happen in the US? Use your head and stop reading into things that aren't there.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vHatch:
Will the HD7 (HD3) come to T-Mobile?? Would make sense, the HD2 was there. Crossing my fingers.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/01/htc-hd3-to-be-named-hd7-in-honor-of-windows-phone-7-launch-octo/
[Windows Phone 7 General] microhaxo:
Dude, just accept the fact that T-Mobile will not have a WP7 phone this october for launch. Nov is the EARLIEST we will see it on T-Mobile and even then that is 1 single phone.

WP7 went rtm and there are already rumors of a sept 28th ATT launch.

Dell is MIA at this point for this year so HTC Schubert is the only phone that looks to be a wp7 phone and that wont even come out until Nov 17th. Nearly two months after ATT.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jahnile:
In my opioion I believe the answer is more than highy they will be release one. There is no question Android is every one focus nowadays but T mobile will not let the other major carries have the phone and they do not. This is a given and I believe their first WP7 might be from htc.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
Microsoft has said that it will be launching on multiple carriers. You don't have any facts to back up your statement. You very well may get lucky and be correct. But I doubt it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] microhaxo:
Take this for what you will..

typical response but..
[Windows Phone 7 General] brihyn:
No offense, but how i take this? T-Mo decided not to give you, some random person emailing them, information that hasn't been publicly released yet. Doesn't really mean anything either way, does it?
[Windows Phone 7 General] microhaxo:
take it however you want, but t-mobile wont have a WP7 phone until mid NOV at the earliest.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
You seem so certain of this. What evidence do you have? Why November and not January? WP7, as a whole, may not launch til November.
[Windows Phone 7 General] microhaxo:
There is evidence via AT&T roadmaps and store sku spreadsheets that are showing a late sept release/early oct release. Sept 28 - Oct 8th.

One of the LG devices are reported to be released Sept 28th on AT&T.

http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/LG-C900-with-WP7-should-be-coming-to-market-around-September-28th-article-a_12875.html

Evidence why i am sure that t-mobile wont have a WP7 device day of launch.

* Zero phones with t-mobiles 3g have went through the fcc. And over 5 have went through for AT&T. (as of 9/2/2010)

* The current leaked roadmap for t-mobile shows only 1 possible WP7 Device and it is dated NOV 17th. Unless they bump it forward substantially (unlikely) then one would assume that November is the earliest we will see said device.

* T-mobile is launching several new Android devices before November, it only makes sense to assume the current projected roadmap is correct.

* WP7 is now RTM, the end of sept early oct release seems very plausible. It makes no sense for the launch of windows phone 7 to be in november or january, especially since the cell phone manufacturers are pushing near finished devices through the FCC for AT&T.

Based on all of this, it is my opinion that AT&T will be the premier carrier and hold around a 40 day lead on t-mobiles WP7 launch. So AT&T launch around end of sept early oct. T-Mobile around mid November.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vHatch:
Hey, at least he changed his tune from "not this year" to "not before November" lol.

microhaxo, why are you so passionate about this that you would email a T-Mobile executive about it. I'm just amazed that you think they might tell you something that wasn't public yet and that you think his lack of doing so actually means anything. It's just so. . . out there. . .

November is what everyone has expected for a while and fits with the announced launch date of "Holidays, 2010" The title of this thread asks about WP7 on T-Mo in the Fall. November is in the fall. I don't think anyone but you is claiming a November release as fail, are you just reeling so hard from predicting next year, then being shown the roadmap, that you are backpedaling quickly.

Maybe AT&T will offer WP7 a few weeks before T-Mo, we will see. That isn't what this thread asked though.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
Please link to those 5. The only ones I know of are the Samsung Cetus and LG Pacific (C900). If you're claiming the Samsung Taylor or LG Panther, those are both dev devices and will not be for sale. All of the dev devices are SIM unlocked and have AT&T 3G bands for optimum worldwide compatibility. Not sure what other devices you're referring to.

Roadmaps change. Those roadmaps were a while ago. And WP7 may not even launch til then.

See above.

LOL. No way in hell WP7 launches before mid-October at the absolute earliest. Why? The app store won't be open for submissions until then. They will not launch WP7 until at least a few weeks after that, probably more. It's going to take time for Microsoft to ingest and approve applications that are submitted and they have repeatedly said that if developers want their apps available at launch, they have to be submitted "early October".

Key word... it's your opinion. You keep acting as if it's fact. It's not even close. The only thing I know is that it won't be released until at least mid-October, probably later. We know it'll launch on AT&T but we don't know what other carriers it will launch on, if any.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JediFonger:
i want to get that LG w/keyboard from ATT and unlock it for TMo ;P
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
tmo is getting ONE device

http://wmpoweruser.com/some-windows-phone-7-device-coming-to-t-mobile-usa-on-17th-november/

we don't know which
[Windows Phone 7 General] Myclevername:
Just got my WP7 phone from T-MO!

It's awesome! It has a 4ghz chip and 154gb onboard memory and came preloaded with every song on Zune and every game on Xbox. It has a qwerty keyboard and I can drive my car with it and I think my hair is already getting thicker. Sorry but i can't tell you the make,model,price or color but it is definitely from Tmobile. Trust me!
[Windows Phone 7 General] microhaxo:
Also:

Still ZERO about t-mobile.

~ 26 days left until the launch.. Cutting it close t-mobile...
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
see link posted

tmo IS getting a device

also

http://wmpoweruser.com/t-mobile-us-...a-windows-phone-7-device-for-november-launch/
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
Noone has made any announcements. Just because AT&T has been leaking like a sieve doesn't mean the rest will do the same. Officially, they're on the same page as everyone else with 0 devices.
[Windows Phone 7 General] microhaxo:
Oct 11th we will know for sure.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jimecm:
WP7 Rumor: HD3 gets a release date for T-Mobile

http://www.wmexperts.com/wp7-rumor-hd3-gets-release-date-t-mobile
[Windows Phone 7 General] phantom9000:
t mobile should get the hd7 on nov 1

http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/16/htc-hd7-resurfaces-on-a-t-mobile-accessories-list-could-be-with/
[Windows Phone 7 General] macjr82:
It's also been confirmed that not only will WP7 be on tmobile at launch, tmobile is the only other carrier it will be on int he US besides At&T. The phone will be GSM only at launch.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JediFonger:
i wonder if it'll have keyb. i need physical keys =P
[Windows Phone 7 General] microhaxo:
Fuel to the fire:

http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/01/...ows-phone-7-handsets-on-november-8-unveiling/

For sure now t-mobile wont have a phone at "Launch" ..

The question is, how long will this exclusivity last? Would be silly to assume just a week or two.

T-mobile might not be offering a wp7 phone this year after all....
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
This sucks big time. One of the biggest benefits of WP7 here in the US over iPhone was supposed to be that you could get it on all the carriers. Instead, Microsoft is locking themselves (for at least a little while) into the crap that is AT&T and having to compete not only with Android as they would on the other carriers but also iPhone. Stupid, stupid, stupid!
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Why do you think they are locking themselves? That they are on just one carrier isn't necessarily their decision. Also, it's better to have a really committed carrier partner for launch than even a better/bigger one who will put devices on the back burner and recommend Android, giving your OS all kinds of negative characteristics. Both Verizon and T-Mobile do it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
^ kinda contradicting there huh? ATT is known to push the iphone in front of everything.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
Everyone hates AT&T. If it wasn't for the iPhone, they'd be much worse off. Not sure why anyone sticks with them. People get trapped in contracts and don't want to break them. It sounds to me like it went something like "Hey AT&T. If we let you be the only carrier with WP7 for a lil while, will you chip in for some marketing costs?"
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Sorry, where do you see the contradiction? They are pushing the iPhone, yes. Because they are committed to it. What I'm saying is that it's good to have a committed launch partner. Better than a big one that hates your devices.

Well, I don't live in the US now but when I did, I used Cingular. It was by far the beat carrier in terms of coverage where I was. There was no iPhone at the time, it was a while ago. AT&T existed before the iPhone and will exist for years to come. It'll do better and worse, but saying that everyone hates it is a bit of a stretch, I think. In any case, I'll repeat, I'm not at all sure it was Microsoft who decided that there will be one carrier, not the carriers. :-)

And after Kin I wouldn't risk an important launch by doing it via VZW.
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
I don't see how the above linked article means that tmobile will not be a launch partner. It's given that AT&T and Microsoft have a great relationship and have for a long time but isn't it a bit presumptuous considering

1. the documented order forms indicating an hd7 release between november 1st and november 8 (as far as accessories including a replacement battery)

2. since when does partnership mean other companies are SOL?

I'm not buying into the no tmo thing
[Windows Phone 7 General] Captainkrtek:
Im pretty sure It will be on T-Mobile at launch

(Source: MS Manager)
[Windows Phone 7 General] microhaxo:
A microsoft manager said that or you're microsoft manager said that?
[Windows Phone 7 General] microhaxo:
more fire:

http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/10/windows-phone-7-launching-exclusively-with-att.ars

However, the original source is cited as anonymous from the wallst journal. So it's all speculation until 8 days from now.
[Windows Phone 7 General] microhaxo:
Wow, this is a soap opera..

Confirmed: Windows Phone 7 launches October 11th in New York City, and T-Mobile's on board

http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/03/...s-october-11th-in-new-york-cit/#disqus_thread
[Windows Phone 7 General] tai4de2:
Not only is TMOUS *not* sitting out the early phases of the launch, they are actually getting the 2 best WP7 devices!

Looks like they'll have the HD7 a week or so after launch (so AT&T gets their exclusivity as the "premier launch partner") and then the Dell sometime after that, but in time for the holidays.

My only concern is that with Dell selling their device, the unlocking won't work the same way as it usually does with T-Mobile. No quick unlock == no sale.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] BLEEDCOLORYOU:
MyTouch3G [32b]

(Sapphire/Magic/ -MT3G)

"ORIGINAL"

ok i'v read alot on this but still getting mixxed results... my last research was on the wiki

FIRST: my concerns are SPL N RADIO spec's for "FROYO" (CM6 RC-NightlyBuilds)

iv ran engineering 1.33.2005 SPL

W/ BOTH - 2.22.19.26i and 2.22.23.02 RADIOS

now seeing there is a new SPL HBOOT "1.33.2010"

R We suppose to UPGRade? or even just FLash in general?

(take note: i am a graphic designer, so i perfer to make changes to boot-ups)

* -the wiki on sapphire hacking states

-"For T-Mobile MyTouch 3G or PVT32B Magics, it is reccommended you use the 1.33.2005 engineering SPL."

i couldnt find any date that this was posted so here i ask.

as for radio's both seem to work the same i suppose.... but i beailve updates r updates for a reason right?

I Have recently Unrooted to fix any issues,erase,etc the past years worth of crumbles n jumples that could be floating around somewhere outthere... hah.

as for unrooting it changed my radio back to 2.22.19.26i / n hboot to 1.33.0006

n yes i am currently rerooted with the same radio n hboot listed above. im currently on froyo cm6 rc3 nightly....

also my other issue in needing to despratley know what the sd partitioning should be for the cm6 nightly froyo builds...

im currently 96/512/ex2-3-ex4

reasoning in asking is because i do feel like there is lagging or strain somewhere on the device yett this could be the issues of froyo or the rom itself.

but these issues r in no way dramatic. i just want to know what the legit correccct proper scoop is on this shizzit. once again iv done the reading over n over again. but the dates r back from cm5 in 2009. so im wanting up to speed on 2010 information seeing that i cant seem to find.

also * clockwork recovery or amon RA recovery *

which is a better route for mt3g... personally im happy with amonRA's clean recovery work. but im just wanting to know the deali-O. ;)

your help is greatly appreciated...

:D
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] lannister80:
You can flash SPL 1.33.2010 to your MT3G, I just did that last week (from whatever came stock with the device, prevented me from using fastboot). I also flashed the radio to the newest version (2.22.23.02) and now get slightly-better reception (I think, anyway).

I like Amon Ra better than Clockwork. I tried installing Clockwork once and my phone refused to boot into recovery (stuck at mt3g screen), so I avoid it like the plague.

As for partitioning, I just leave my entire card FAT and use "Swapper2" to create a swap file. Works just fine, and without the hastle of partitioning (we are talking about swap, right?)
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] jdbuddy:
Are there any issues in installing Clockwork recovery over amonRa? I have a rooted MT3g 1.2 with amonRa, but would like to use ROM Manager (requries Clockwork). Did you use Rom Manager to install Clockwork?
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] MasterMike1485:
It can be done but from my experience it was not good Amon_Ra is more stable in my opinion i would have problems with clockwork. For instance with the MyTouch 1.2 I had to flash manually then tell recovery manager that I did and it will work. Both recoveries are excellent its just a matter of opinion and personal choice.
[Desire General] vagabond100:
Hi All,

Apologies for my first post being a cry for help but im seriously screwed at the moment.

I have a UK t-Mobile Desire that came preinstalled with 2.1, and so the story of my rooting failure begins.

First of all i tried using Unrevoked 3.1 and apparently this worked, but i was no longer able to enter recovery mode at all.

Following this i tried applying the Amon Ra loader to my device. Once this was completed the phone was seemlingly working fine but i still could not get into recovery mode, it would jsut hang on the circular logo.

By now im pretty fedup with the whole thing and i decided to unroot my device using the unlocker video guide and the unmodified RUU from this site.

Now my device boots (i guess) but the screen no longer works, at all. All i want to do is restore my phone to its factory state so i can use it.

Can please anyone help a poor newbie out.
[Desire General] teppic74:
You haven't killed it, but you should have read this:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=749551

That includes a link to fix it, though it's not easy.
[Desire General] vagabond100:
thanks for the response but according to the boot screen i had hboot 0.75
[Desire General] teppic74:
Your problem is SLCD. The bootloader is not relevant.
[Desire General] vagabond100:
Sorry to be a complete numpty, but what process do i need to complete, there seem to be several options on that link.

thanks, i really appreciate any help
[Desire General] teppic74:
If you want to upgrade directly to Froyo just install this RUU (easy):

http://shipped-roms.com/shipped/Bra...3.00.32U_5.09.00.20_release_140022_signed.exe

If you want to try to get Android 2.1 back then this thread (difficult):

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=750852
[Desire General] vagabond100:
I just tried the "easy" option and got the following error message from the Rom update utility.

ERROR[131]: CUSTOMER ID ERROR

The ROM Update Utility cannot update your android phone

Please get the correct ROM Update Utilility and try again.
[Desire General] teppic74:
You need a goldcard in the phone.
[Desire General] vagabond100:
Ok, thanks for your help.

I will dissapear for an hour or two and see if i can get this fixed.

Eitherway many thanks for your help
[Desire General] teppic74:
Insert the goldcard, run the RUU, and it will be fixed.
[Desire General] vagabond100:
when i try to create the goldcard i get an "error: device not found" message when running the adb ****** command :(
[Desire General] leecavturbo:
you create the gold card in your pc not the phone. i think
[Desire General] vagabond100:
I am doing it on my pc, but it would seem that my pc cant "see" the desire. Im guessing that either USB debugging is off, or the phone is connected to the pc in anotehr "mode"

sigh
[Desire General] leecavturbo:
you make the goldcard on pc. then insert it into the phone
[Desire General] vagabond100:
It must be that USB debugging is off. Does anyone know how to turn this on remotely or without seeing the screen? :P
[Desire General] teppic74:
Just use the goldcard you originally used with the RUU that broke your screen.
[Desire General] teppic74:
Or did you use a t-mobile branded RUU?
[Desire General] vagabond100:
I dont have it :(
[Desire General] vagabond100:
I used the tmobile branded one
[Desire General] teppic74:
When you flash an RUU you are restored to factory defaults, so usb debugging is off.

It is possible to enable usb debugging blindly if you read the other link I posted. It's difficult. Without a goldcard you cannot flash an SLCD-compatible RUU, which is the only way you can recover the phone. There aren't any branded RUUs available that support SLCD.
[Desire General] vagabond100:
Thank you for your help teppic74, it is really appreciated.

Im going to give the blind test a go and see how i get on. If not i guess im screwed :P

How often do the official RUU's get leaked/released?
[Desire General] teppic74:
I would try this, as I don't think the blind instructions are great.

After booting the phone tap the bottom right hand part of the screen (enough to press the button there that you can't see) about 14 times. Then press the back button a few times. That should be enough to get you past the set up screens and onto the home page. Then follow the bit about enabling USB debugging. If you manage that you should be able to make the goldcard.

Otherwise you have three options:

Find someone else with an Android phone to make a goldcard for you.

Return it to HTC for repair.

Wait indefinitely for a t-mobile Froyo RUU.
[Desire General] vagabond100:
Thanks, will give it a go.

Are the goldcards not phone specific?
[Desire General] teppic74:
Goldcards should work on any phone.
[Desire General] vagabond100:
Ok. If anyone that is reading this thread and would be able to supply me with a goldcard image could contact me i would be eternally grateful.
[Desire General] teppic74:
No, it doesn't work that way. A goldcard is unique to the sdcard it is made for, but it will work in other phones.
[Desire General] vagabond100:
ahh, ok. Thanks, i will continue to fumble about them :D

thanks again
[Desire General] vagabond100:
Would anyone on these wonderful forms be able to post me a goldcard if i were to cover your costs via paypal?

Thanks in advance.
[Desire General] leecavturbo:
just buy a cheap 2g one
[Desire General] vagabond100:
The problem is i cant see the screen on my desire to turn USB debugging on, therefore i cannot make a goldcard myself :(
[Desire General] leecavturbo:
i'm not grasping something then.

i'm sure i made my gold card on my pc from an originally blank card. i.e it had never had any data on it or been in my phone
[Desire General] vagabond100:
Can you remember how you did it? As this could be very useful.
[Desire General] teppic74:
You need to get the sdcard's cid to create a goldcard, which needs the card in the phone and the phone connected.
[Desire General] leecavturbo:
sorry vag yes i remember now.

i think your going to have to perserver with the blind method

you could do with some screen shots to show you where to press and when etc i guess
[Desire General] vagabond100:
i have tried to get past the htc setup and no dice. I even reflashed it with one of the RUU's to ensure that i was starting from the begining. I tried to see if i was out of the htc setup by holding the clock widget down for a vibration, but no luck.

I think i need to try and get ahold of a goldcard from someone, this is driving me mad.