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[Windows Mobile Software Development] meltwater:
Thanks to the 10 of you who voted in the poll.

The marginal winner is other sense projects...I'll try to see that as a positive thing (i.e. wanting more such as an updated FbTab, rather than a statement to say the RSSTab isn't worth the time). Also another way to look at it is 6/10 want a new release sooner or later...:D

It is encouraging to know that people are happy to wait, at least for a bit longer, so will continue development work as I go. Progress is steady but it does take a while since I do need to be in the right frame of mind to do it, so there isn't always enough time to do as much as I would like.

Current progress is good, updates seem to work now for the feeds I've tried so far (yet to formally test them all - oh do need to update for ones with html in too, but that should be a easy change) and I'm now putting in the initial stuff for implementing downloads of podcasts directly (hopefully will test this tonight).

I think after that is done, I shall aim to implement one more feature and then hopefully start to put it all together for initial testing and perhaps some beta releases.

Also for the person who voted for android projects (:D)...I do intend to have a little go at that too, although I shall need to start at the basics once more on that. If you are interested in Android, or want to try things out with Android, then give my new thread a visit:

Android-On-A-Shoestring

It could really do with some comments and feedback etc, as I would love to hear everyone's ideas on it.

Thanks!
[Windows Mobile Software Development] mike2nl:
i am one of the ten ;-).

Yes because the most people comes back from the W7 roms or whatever, because it is mostly no fun. Our oooold sense likes the best one after some years of development. So why no longer we will support our little baby :D.

Android is one of my next phone types, but i will hold my very nice HD2. I love it. Because the things i can do with it :p.

Possible YOU can make the 100% rss tab widget for CHT :rolleyes:;).

And i have some other ideas for more....
[Windows Mobile Software Development] sharkie405:
Sorry to be bit off topic but since you've been talking about development ideas...

Have you thought about making some sort of 'Friend Stream' tab like HTC Android has? You know, like Facebook posts, Tweets, Texts and whatever else combined into one tab?

I know nothing about programming and coding and all of that, so I don't know how much work it would take, but since two of the big tabs are already done, I thought it might be easier than it sounds to combine the two into a WM 'Friend Stream' tab.

What do you think? Would that even be possible?
[Windows Mobile Software Development] meltwater:
Yes there is plenty that can be done with sense, the concept behind the RSSTab means you can display practically anything you like, the difficultly comes when trying to display it in different layouts, but that is possible too, it just takes a lot of trial and error to get right within sense.

There are a number of tabs I have in mind, but the problem is that tab's don't attract many donations. As you know Android has an inbuilt revenue route, purely as a way to justify my time to my other half this would be worth doing.

Imagine 10cents for each of the 30k downloads of the fbTab == no more moaning about me coding! :) You would be certain, it would be updated a little more often.

Anything is possible, but the issue I have is simply the time and effort to do it.

I've not looked at twitter or other such things (msn, yahoo im etc could also be done through it) but as long as there is a public api (which there obviously is for twitter) it can be done.

I may look into what can be done as part of the facebook tab update when it happens, Twitter probably isn't a priority (not only because there is a tab for it already, but I don't yet use it) but it would be a good idea to design it so that it can be included along with other data sources (txt messages might be difficult since they might not be so easy to access internally).

I do like the friend/contact focus to the current fbTab, I think that is a nicer way to arrange things than a random list of updates you get on facebook.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] meltwater:
I tested the current development build with updating an RSS feed and then downloading the related podcast. It did work!

Although I've got to finish off the finial bit (updating the feed to link to the file), I'm happy that what I've implemented so far is working as I hoped.

Once the whole process is coded, I will work out a simple way to queue and download multiple podcasts and allow you to view and manage their progress.

It is slow going, but progress is still being made.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] User_99:
Sorry for the delay. Had hard weeks in the past. Ony thing I really miss in RSSTab is the coding problem which I've already reported. Iy you can fix this all would be really fine :D
[Windows Mobile Software Development] meltwater:
I think I've already fixed it in my development build. I hope to switch from development work to beta releases soon.

Fixes, the improved feed support (hopefully) and update checking will hopefully make it into the first few betas.

Recently I've been playing with Android, so this unintentionally hit the back burner for a bit.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] meltwater:
Right, got the feed update and downloading of a podcast done now (although more work is required on the gui side of it, the actual technical bit works - i.e. I can do my daily update and download without using the RSSHub at all, but it's not user friendly enough yet, and I want more features).

Ready to switch over to preparing some beta builds now, I'll try to do it so I can continue working on the development stuff at the same time, so hopefully will have a steady flow of updates as each bit is polished and tested. Fingers cross might have something next week or the week after (depending on the time I have available).
[Windows Mobile Software Development] meltwater:
Beta Countdown To-do List:

Beta Countdown To-do List:

Language File Update 21Apr DONE! - Pending test

Improve 1st install process (detect no items correctly) 19Apr DONE!

Retest update checker & allow custom download location!DONE! But also need to indicate download inprogress... DONE! - Pending test

Correct the DebugLog file (stop it from being deleted, except if 1st run of the day) 18Apr - DONE!

Update beta build environment DONE!

Update SenseSDK for 1.40 DONE!

Tidy up setting pages DONE!

Remove Debug Page DONE!

Tidy Up Menus DONE!

Correct read/unread highlight DONE!

10...9...8...7...6...5...4...3...2...1...!

Update 18April:

I've added some code to allow download progress to be displayed, but unable to test until later. Fingers crossed it will work and I can tick that off (also the same code will be used later on so hopefully it is good enough for that too or I'll have to rethink it).
[Windows Mobile Software Development] mike2nl:
Hi meltwater,

the issue with the IDS_RSSTITLE is back posting 565. It was disucussed once here in the thread.

Strange is when i use the RSS Feed value in the mode9 file instead of the IDS_RSSTITLE,

it is not fixed after a download and a soft reset.

Only if i swiped to the tab two times then the main IDS changes in RSS Feed. The tab selfs

has the same issue. For more questioins you can ask me in skype (mike2nl) or PM.

Some ideas about it?
[Windows Mobile Software Development] meltwater:
This is down to me putting it back in the SenseUtil as IDS_RSSTITLE (it is the tab control file which defines it!). The problem is, if I hardcode it to "RSS Feed" then it won't translate for people and if I leave it as "IDS_RSSTITLE" then it won't translate until the tab has been initialised.

I am not sure which is best...

I think there is a translation file for the tab titles somewhere but I've not located it (if so then we can create a new version of that file), but it doesn't seem to be enough to just have it in the RSSTab language file (even as the 1st entry which we thought might have helped).
[Windows Mobile Software Development] mike2nl:
Ahh, possible i can help out, i will take a deep, deep look.

Another issue. In settings under advanced the function is every tme off when i come back after i had this activated. ALso the language selection is grayed out. Something what is normnal in the last version?
[Windows Mobile Software Development] meltwater:
Should be similar to the FbTab (except I think I fixed the exit question bit).

Are you applying the change when you enable the advanced tick? It seems to save it for me, but might do it differently.

The language section is greyed out if set to use the default language of the device (which it does unless you select otherwise).

Hope to have the beta soon, just trying to get this upgrade download code working better, causing a few problems and I can't test that part during the day.

EDIT: Ok found a way to do it and it is just about working, just needs some visual tweaks and that part will be done.

EDIT2: Tweaks done hopefully.

EDIT3: Ahh, looks like there may be issues with landscape view for the tab itself...I'll look into fixing that after this beta version I think though! I don't often use landscape, but I'll revisit this and make sure there is a better layout (things need shifting around to get the best out of the view anyway).

Beta Countdown To-do List:

Language File Update 21Apr DONE! - Pending test

Improve 1st install process (detect no items correctly) 19Apr DONE!

Retest update checker & allow custom download location!DONE! But also need to indicate download inprogress... DONE! - Pending test

Correct the DebugLog file (stop it from being deleted, except if 1st run of the day) 18Apr - DONE!

Update beta build environment DONE!

Update SenseSDK for 1.40 DONE!

Tidy up setting pages DONE!

Remove Debug Page DONE!

Tidy Up Menus DONE!

Correct read/unread highlight DONE!

10...9...8...7...6...5...4...3...2...1...!
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Elodie:
...1 isn't waste of time, but :

Ignition pleaaaaaaase !!!
[Windows Mobile Software Development] meltwater:
:D

Won't be too long now, fingers crossed (early next week hopefully, will see if I can get it sooner though).

Just been checking through the code to make sure I've got everything marked up with ## markers so I can add in the IDS strings.

Looks to be about 50...quite a few will be duplicates, also that will include parts which are not compiled in yet (easier to define as much as I can in one go so that the later betas will need less changes).

Will then need to package into a cab and do the pre-flight checks. :eek:

The plan is to release a series of betas with the new bits added as we go, although I hope 3.beta.0 will be good enough to replace the current release anyway.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] meltwater:
Language file V3.Beta is at it's first draft, shall do some tests tonight and then post it ready for translations!

:D ...1... :D

Ok, I've uploaded the language file, but please treat this as a preview since I can only test some parts later on.

I'll post details of any changes if I make them, but hopefully it is fairly complete.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ric69:
Your "thanks meter" is going to explose :D
[Windows Mobile Software Development] meltwater:
Updated language file, no big changes just a few tweeks. So far testing hasn't found anything major just a small change for the release download.

Shall hopefully be packing up the cab file tomorrow!
[Windows Mobile Software Development] eboelzner:
Hey... Just a quick note to let you know that a v2.0 version of SenseUI SDK is soon to be released... includes a totally updated GUI engine!!! Are you interested in testing with your 3.0 beta???

Ed
[Windows Mobile Software Development] meltwater:
Excellent new stuff to play with!

I'm planning on several betas as and when I roll out the different features so we should be able to build the new sdk into one of those. But I can begin testing out the sdk on the development version as soon as you are ready to release it, I'm working on a whole section which uses the sdk to manage the rss feeds etc, so any extra features of the new sdk would be very useful to try out for that.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] meltwater:
3.Beta.0 Released

3.Beta.0 Released

Install:

1. After downloading the zip file, extract the cab file and install.

2. Ensure you "Reset Sense" (i.e. delete manilaful.xml and restart) using SenseUtil.

Post-install info:

1. As previously if you get double tab icon then remove 5AB7F814_manila from your \Windows\ directory (and restart sense).

2. If you get IDS_ text showing then your language has yet to be updated with the new translations. Instructions for doing this is available on post #7, or keep an eye out on the thread.

User Manual Additions:

I'll edit this post (or update the wiki manual) when I get time to explain any of the new features (I've forgotten what was in the old tab to be honest!).

The key one at the moment is the "Check for update" button which will check the release feed for the latest release. Let me know if you would like an option to enable the tab to automatically check this.

Let me know if 1st install is easier to do, plus if you get any problems with specific rss feeds etc.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ric69:
Hi, Updated fr_fr :)
[Windows Mobile Software Development] meltwater:
Superb!

I'll make sure it goes into the next beta build.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ric69:
Hi Melt, wonderful job thanks a lot.

No more symbols instead of accents for french site :) You're the best man

Just to be sure about something : when I change language e.g, the popup appears with "discard your changes ?" "yes - no" If I click yes --> program restart (without saving) and for no --> nothing happens. But if I click on "return" and then "apply" to confirm, it's ok. Is there something wrong ?

And finaly, what do you mean by "discard your changes" ? is it "save your changes" or "cancel your changes", if it's "save" I must change language file lol :o :D
[Windows Mobile Software Development] meltwater:
Ah the "discard your changes" thing (we've had this as an issue before on the fbtab).

The idea is this:

If you exit the settings page, by pressing back or closing, it should prompt you if changes have been made. If you select "no" to "discard your changes?" it just takes you back the settings page [i.e. perhaps you didn't mean to exit yet or you intended to save first], if you select "yes" it will exit but not save the changes you made [i.e. it throws away the changes you've made]. (In both cases it will not "save" your changes until you press the "apply" button).

If it is doing something different then let me know, because this should be what it is doing...

Glad the french feeds are working so far!

UPDATE:

I think next I'll try to make a theme cab so that others can use it to make other themes etc.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Laurentius26:
Hi Melt,

A double thank you LoL :D;)

I agree with Ric69 that it's a bit confusing 'disard your changes', 'save your changes' would be better I think.

Concerning pressing the OK button works fine for me.

Impressive, a lot of new features.

Also the warning on first setup I like that you need to have your RSS feeds ready.

Grtz, Leo :)
[Windows Mobile Software Development] meltwater:
I'll have a look at that then, but "save your changes" is different behaviour. Anyway, not a big problem just as long as it does what it says. Perhaps consider "discard your changes" as "exit without saving" if that is easier to understand...

There are a number of fixes in there, which hopefully makes the 1st time through a little smoother. Hopefully we can roll out some of the more advanced stuff as we go.

The next release should put the built in "check for updates" button to the test. Clearly I'm the only one who's tested it so far since everyone else who has the update button, has the "current" version...

I've just noticed that the podcast icons aren't how I planned (just a warning that they will be different in the next release). New designs for them are welcome by the way...
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Laurentius26:
@Melt,

What I'm trying to explain is that I apply my changes and if I did

the popup shows me.

'Discard your changes' yes or no.

I asume that if I press yes my changes are applied.

That's what confusing me, no biggy as it does what it does indeed. :)
[Windows Mobile Software Development] meltwater:
I'm guessing this is a language thing, "discard" means throw away, so your changes will NOT be applied.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] mike2nl:
Hi meltwater,

thanks for the new version, jesus what an effort. Will test it together with the new ROM from Laurentius26. The version that is desinged special for a CHT in the next version.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Laurentius26:
It's probably because your a English gentleman. :D;)

If I cook in the rom, first thing I need to change is set the language to US.

Otherwise I have a IDS_ error in the title but you know about that I think.

I can't find a registry where I can change language by default, on the Facebook tab that's easier.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] meltwater:
Perhaps I'll change the EN_US version wording for that one.

It is the same but with "RSSUtil.LangFile", but by default I don't have it set to anything and then it uses the device default instead (this is an improvement I hope over the Fbtab).

Yes, the IDS_ error in the title is because the title is defined elsewhere (you can hardcode it directly in the Tab Control file if you want to).

Next version will come with a theme cab, will release a theme toolkit once I've got the cab ready.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Laurentius26:
@Melt,

Just another beer, nothing compaired to the work.

I love both tabs, thanks. :)
[Windows Mobile Software Development] meltwater:
It just popped up! Many thanks for your support.

Just doing an example theme for it as we speak.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ric69:
Please Melt if you want, here is an "fr_fr_update" for next version with "exit without saving" in french... (and some other corrections :rolleyes:)

@+
[Windows Mobile Software Development] meltwater:
Thank's I'll put it in the build folder ready. I tip my hat to you my kind sir.

I'll keep the "discard" version for us UK English chaps only and update the US template.

I'm planning to add an advanced option to remove the extra icon on the slider for NRG roms, as I find it annoying needing to look up the correct file each time I install. So there will be a few extra translations added for that (I'll post them when they've been defined).

But first I will be releasing a tiny update (it only contains a few minor tweaks to support themes - nothing visible except the version number (& perhaps the podcast icons)) via the Release Feed only (Check For Updates button), so that we can test that process is working correctly.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] meltwater:
3.Beta.1 Build Version 28April2011

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Release 3.Beta.1

This is a small update to allow testing of the in-app update process

- Added updated podcast icons

- Small theme file fixes

- fr-fr Rev3.Beta Language file added

I'm only releasing this update through the in-app update so I can check it works.

I've also updated the theme post (post#5) with details, cabs, devpack for theming the tab.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ric69:
Ok Melt thanks, but I'm not sure "update" is working :o

I have put the cab in SD, select "update" and directory, the system is DL something but never end.

BTW, I've installed the cab normaly but I have IDS everywhere :D (is it my file witch is wrong ? :o)
[Windows Mobile Software Development] meltwater:
Looking at your screenshots, it worked (it downloads, I don't force the install directly), the instructions (IDS for you!), tells you to unzip, install and reset sense.

<trans-unit id="IDS_DOWNLOAD_END">
<source>Download Complete</source>
</trans-unit>
...
<trans-unit id="IDS_VER_DOWNLOAD_INFO">
<source>Unzip the files and follow the readme.txt for information regarding the latest release.</source>
</trans-unit>

What's your language your device is set to?

Until your lang file is updated (I can't update ones which are translated, or it'll be confusing) you can manually switch the language file used to EN_US via the settings page.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ric69:
Yes it worked ^^ sorry with ids_, it's not easy to understand :D

I don't know what's the problem with those ids_, with en-us --> it's ok in english, with last 2.2 translation file it's ok in french, but the one in cab it gives me this error :o
[Windows Mobile Software Development] meltwater:
Oh yeah of course it is french, you've updated it. Sorry I didn't think.

Yep I get the error too, will find the issue (a good test is to name it with .xml and drop into your web-browser, anything non-xml friendly it tells you) and upload you a new lang file.

UPDATE:

<trans-unit id="IDS_LANG_SETTINGS">
<source>Paramètres application [B]&[/B] langues</source>
</trans-unit>

There's the problem, you have to use & or the xml gets annoyed.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ric69:
:p Yeeees works fine now, thanks a lot :D
[Windows Mobile Software Development] meltwater:
Thats great.

I may replace the 2.2 release version on the release thread with this build then.

Good work with the translation file, there is a lot in there which has been added. It's not easy translating things without knowing what/where they will be used.

Unfortunately I will need to add some more :eek: as the option to remove the double icon on the slider will need text to explain what it does. I plan to keep it as an advanced option, so it shouldn't mess things up too much if the IDS is not added immediately.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Laurentius26:
@Melt,

Yeeh mate, you are going fast now LoL.

Thank you for the update. :)

I just finished uploading a new rom for team but for sure I will apply the update. :D;)

Grtz, Leo :)
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Laurentius26:
Hi Melt,

The in-app update seems to work fine, no updates atm. :)
[Windows Mobile Software Development] meltwater:
I take it you are on 3.Beta.1 then, great.

Sounds like the update works ok, that is good news since that tests the feed update methods and also the file download process. Both of which are key for downloading feed updates and podcast items, which I am testing at the moment!

Anyway, will see what I can complete for next week. I was hoping to do the landscape layout, but frankly not feeling like fighting with sense at the moment so that will come later.

Any takers for trying out the theme cab? I'll try to post some screenshots at some point so you can see what can be changed etc.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] saugbaer:
bigthx

bigthx for great app :D

It had me a little adapted :o

German language "3.Beta.1" in the annex
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Laurentius26:
Hi Melt,

Yep I'm on 3 Beta 1 indeed.

I will have a play with the cab and report back to you later.

Thank you. :)
[Windows Mobile Software Development] meltwater:
Excellent skin, like it a lot. Hopefully we can get you a matching theme file so your text can be a suitable colour too.

Thanks for the translation, good work, will PM you about a donate code.

Good good.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] saugbaer:
Thank you for the tip with the color lua ;)

BIGTHX again for code :D