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[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] NickPP:
I will stick to Android on SD card for now. Unless it is proven that Android NAND is inherently better than Android on SD then I will for the sake of usability go the NAND way.

However, for the last couple of days, I am using the Excelsior ROM with sense and am using the ROM as my "main" OS and everything including speakerphone conversations have been loud and crystal clear.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] :
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[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] groovinfingers:
Greetings. I've been a WinMo user since the release of Windows Mobile 2003. I moved to WinMo from PalmOS. I've enjoyed using WinMo although I have to admit that from a usability perspective, I personally think it could be improved.

When HTC created and released Touch/Sense - packaged with the HD2 - I decided to switch carriers and try it because I was ready for a phone without a tactile keyboard that was mostly all screen. I've thoroughly enjoyed this package.

I'm a techie-person however and this means that I sometimes forget that I may take my skills for granted. In hindsight, a portion of my user experience with WinMo has always included some fiddling and the monthly reboot of the phone in order to address sluggish performance.

One of the things that I enjoy most about WinMo is the tight integration with the Outlook client that runs on my PC.

When my wife decided to purchase an Evo as she is already a customer of Sprint, I decided to quietly watch and observe. She is the classic user in the sense that she doesn't want to be bothered with tech; she prefers to use technology in a transparent manner as she goes about her life. She, like me, was a WinMo user for a long time.

She is loving Android 2.2 on her Evo. I don't hear grumblings from her. She is able to work in a very self-contained manner (i.e. doesn't need any tech support from me).

So, I decided to try Android on my TMobile HD2. I installed the FroyoStone Series - Version 1 (07-Aug-2010) build. I've been using it for 3 days.

I love it and I plan to switch to Android if a RTM for the HD2 is created.

The app store for Android has more variety than the WinMo store. Android has yet to become sluggish (but note I've only used it for 3 days). The interface is familiar since I was using an HTC interface with WinMo as well.

However, I was ready to switch for another more important reason. Based on how I interpreted Windows Phone 7 would behave when it's released this fall, I felt it was time to switch to something new because I didn't like what I had read about the behavior of the soon to be released operating system.

Perhaps the advertising I see in today's media is indeed spot on with regards to how it describes Android - "Droid Does". The operating system just plain looked and felt right to me so I just let it take me forward. So far, it's been a very comfortable experience.

I'm now a convert. Until I can sync my Android HD2 with Outlook on my PC, I only use WinMo to look at my calendar.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] pappadj:
I would need a few things resolved first and maybe booting natively to android may help solve them... idk

Walking dead... its freezing now just passenger riding in the car and will resolve once steady moving on a smooth road.

Bluetooth headset.. works in froyostone but not in others.

Screen rotation... its fine in shubcraft but overall needs tweaking in things like the dialer in shrub and the dock in froyo.

And other tiny nuances like the compass, end button mapping and USB sync would be nice and I would definitley use Android via NAND and winnow off card if possible. Its so quick as it is now that I am ok eitherway and wouldn't press the issue until Android is pretty much 100%.

Sorry for the lengthy post. I lost 1/2 of it originally as it frooze right when backspacing.... not complaining, just giving an example of why the walking dead syndrome is priority one for me and has forced me back in winmo sometimes. I use Android 70% and WinMo 30% as it is now which is saying a lot as I like both operating systems that much. I use Linux and Vista like that also on my PC.

Devs are fantastic here. I can't say that enough.. awesome work guys!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jaidedfocus:
As long as I have the option to switch back to WinMo I will. All this playing around with Android makes me really want an Android device so I'm gonna get the next Android offering T-Mobile has. If I do that then ill port WP7 if its available.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jae-v:
bye bye winmo
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] xmRipper:
For its bigger screen. EVO is not available in Europe.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] markmarkr:
Yep. I'm buying a 2nd hand HD2 (should be in the mail now) purely to run android. It's the only 4.3 inch screen Android device available, and the unlocked bootloader is a huge plus since most devices are locking that down now.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jelliottz:
I will be flashing if / when it becomes available. Why not? I've had this phone since April and have yet to tire of it. This is only extending the life of my phone and minimizing damage to my pocketbook. It has all the specs I need: 1ghz processer, 4.3" screen, wifi, decent 5mp camera... what more can a guy ask for. I would like to have this phone in use through next April. That will be the longest a phone has lasted me since I stopped using flip phones.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] solace.discord:
make a gmail acct, add to Android and set sync setting, on your pc Google: Google sync, install, all set. Full auto sync of calendar between Outlook and Android. Very handy.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] d0cx:
my lil bro got an T-Mo HD2 yesterday. I'll be flashing Android on it for sure.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] BoneMo:
NAND

looking forward to the day when i will delete WM and flash android rom
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] T.C.:
I bought a HD2 BECAUSE of the fact that the DEV's are porting Android. I had a G1 previously with froyo and it was nice but slow. I can't wait for NAND.

I was going to buy an EVO but I would have had to cancel T-mobile US (200 dollars) and then buy an EVO (200), Instead I found a nearly new HD2 on ebay for 180 dollars with no contract extension. w00t! :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Beefheart:
The internal nand is considerably faster than a class 10, never mind a class 6.

As for the question I haven't used Windows Mobile for a month now and have no reason to go back. So yes, I will flash providing there is a way to backtrack to WM in case I need to send away for a repair.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] _tangent:
If that's true - and i have no reason to believe it isn't, because it seems perfectly logical and I'm a laymen in the world of Mobile technology anyway - then i'll go NAND. I'm using android as my principle OS.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] quinto91:
I would flash in a heartbeat lol no questions asked
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Evil_enc:
is somebody working on a NAND version of android? android is so great! :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] 11calcal:
Cotulla's workin on it as we speak
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mystik610:
I haven't had a walking dead in almost 3 weeks.

Use a lighter WM ROM.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] SephXII:
dualboot, best of both worlds
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] kholk:
I'm using windows mobile only for booting Android at the moment...

The HD2 is useless with WiMo... and well, now WiMo itself is useless!

I sold my old HD2 and bought a Moto Milestone only because of Android and now that I've seen that the developers has done a pretty good job with the Linux kernel on the HD2 (better than what they've done for my good ol'Diamond, talking of dev time and general efficiency) I've resumed my broken HD2 and as for now it has owned my Milestone..! (poor, it's locked, no custom ROMs...)

I hope that we'll be able to flash Android on NAND soon..it'll boot faster without waiting for wimo to boot! :P
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] willflint:
Your Multi-Boot Bootloader Dream is now reality!

I think your multi-boot bootloader dream is a reality! http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=737001

Check it out, I am about to load it on my HD2 shortly!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] willflint:
Why wait for WinMo...

Why wait for WinMo to boot, get that SUPER FAST ChuckyDroidROM (http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=734238)! It loads ultra fast (less than 20 seconds, maybe even 15) and it autoboots Android!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Sichroteph:
Did you deactivated the auto rotation feature ?

What version of wm are you using ?

We are a lot are trying to fix this, and kernel developers too ...

I go back to the debate : yes I will definitively stick with android !

Just one example : do you remember how hard it was to play correctly a movie with wm ? I spend a lot of time customizing coreplayer, but wasn't satisfied enough. The video was still a bit choppy, had to change player to play poorly subtitles etc.

And NOW with rockplayer... Omg I didn't though I would see such a perfect thing on my hd2 screen !! I am in love with this Os and recommend it now to all my friend. Beats easily the apple's i****.... Microsoft failed abandoning us.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mb:
The only thing keeping me from switching permanently is TOMTOM. Come on, get it sorted!

Windows Phone 7 (or whatever it's called this week) will be the Vista for Mobiles.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jetsetwilly:
I'm addicted to change so for me, the more options, the merrier.

I'd swear I'm developing OCD with all this flashing and formatting but occasionally when my eyes move from my pc to my phone I catch a glimpse of my living room.

So this might be a bit of a retrograde step but just wondered if there was any way of getting a zx spectrum emulator on my HD2. Now where's that cassette player?...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] thesweeney:
i know you were probably joking but http://marvin-emulator.blogspot.com/ :eek::eek::eek:

Ikari Warriors here I come :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] hegemytouch:
Same here dude...no hesitation...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] foxcheng:
Once fully solve the touchscreen lag, byebye to winmo6.5.5 XD

I will flash the nand version :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] gsharpshooter:
Will flash on nand if you revert back to WM ! I need to be able to revert it's like a must !
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] GodsGift:
I will keep winmo...

Android has nothing as reliable as coreplayer! and I neeeeeed my fillums

GG
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] unitedxempire:
Honestly I want to have Android and Windows Phone 7 on my NAND. I like Android and WinMo 7 but I dont want WinMo 6.5 at all its dead and there is no reason to have WinMo 6.5 for me.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] juiced_belgium:
I will go to android when NAND is available. Been using the dual boot android now for more that 2 weeks in day 2 day use and must say that i haven't had any issue's. Everything goes very smooth. Even my GPS is working like a charm, i'm using the copliot europe version and it's perfect. I maybe will use winmo in dual boot if it's possible, but i think i'll stick with android when the nand comes out
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Arctic Matt:
Try..

Try RockPlayer, apologies if you have already, it's played everything I have thrown at it.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Sichroteph:
You are kidding, right ?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] hoss_n2:
android can play 720p videos , what are you talking about , windows codecs are crap :confused::confused:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] qingcai:
the guy is funny
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] buzz killington:
Why would you want to play 720p video on a 800x480 screen? Seems like a waste of cpu cycles as well as storage space.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ferdaus:
Better po*n? :p

Reminds me of this: Dell computers good for po*n only
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] weeezel:
Start this Poll in the Winmo Rom Thread and you will get the exact opposite. You all just lost your roots ;) winmo rocks. All these creazy freaky apps just time wastement.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Sichroteph:
I am not sure android in nand will be a lot faster. I mean it already in ram and it flies.

So the question is : will I choose faster bootloadings (it takes now 2 minutes to load boot wm haret and android, not that much), but in the same time I will loose the ability to make easy backups and upgrades. I think I will stay like this, unless there is a huge improvement in battery consumption but I doubt about it.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ferdaus:
We didn't lose our roots, we're just embracing and experiencing the freaky 'there's an app for that' world which we were used to only dream about. :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] myself11:
AHAHAH

I gonna keep WM and Android. I almost never use WM now, but I think is worth keeping it, if it's possible. For "nostalgia" and because Android hasn't an app that reads .pdb dicts, while WM has (roadlingua).
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] haigel:
Most of the people here are interested to use Android... so the result must not be accurate. You should make this poll in HD2 WINMO section then combine both results
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] herby68:
for me I think the WINMO has the better grafic, the weather application on HTC Sence ist so funny the icons all the things look great and better , in my opinion. coverflow from HTC music player is much better and all the animations. I´m only using android because there are more apps .
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] thesweeney:
I see what your saying but..

The forum users who only go in the winmo section and dont view this section obviously have no/little interest in putting android on their HD2, so a poll there would surely bee biased/one-sided in favour of 'sticking with winmo'.

The idea of this poll was to see if the users who are/were interested in android are still eager to switch to an android nand.

With a decent sample size of 1100+ I reckon its pretty accurate :)

Thanks to everyone who voted by the way....cheers
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Sichroteph:
After how many years of customizations ? ;-)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dulexetina:
I will flash to android immediately,with first nand versions !!! :D

Only thing i will regret is navigations warez on winmo-but,there are tons of it on android allready...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] umiss:
I'm wondering if it's worth purchasing a class 6 card instead and dualboot since I'd love to be able to run both android and winmo.

But how about the performance?

Will NAND be faster than class 6 and how about battery consumption?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Superkent:
can't wait to try NAND
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] :
some people say class 6 is faster some say nand is but one thing everyone agrees on is that nand is WAY better for battery consumption.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] malias4:
i will flash but only if possible to go bak to winmo..

but android is good bs of android market, hopefully we are close to nand !!!

just a litle more patient..
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] caedanne:
If android run fine and fast in sd... so why flash?

I also use ubuntu, winmo, and think... this is a great device, flash to android could limitate you to use some new things... wm7... etc etc...

sent from xda android app... using HD2...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] hoss_n2:
i think it will be possible to go back , on other nand ports it is possible
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Evil_enc:
any news for a NAND version of android? would be great!! :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Showtime7:
Hope the permanent Android OS comes soon. I will only flash if there is a stable build with no freezing or SOD, and is fully functional 100%... Android is not good enough to put up with these issues when a good WinMo rom does what I need it to do without the issues. But I have yet to find anything on WinMo that I can't do on Android, so if it's stable I will not hesitate to give WinMo a "good riddance."
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] zat0x:
how much longer do we have to wait for a NAND
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] wousipx:
Definitely

I can't wait for android to be fully working on the HD2. I still have minor problems like the 3G not working with my simcard. getting a force close message. but when probs like that stop appearing. I will be switching permanently to Android Froyo!:D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] gianni0721:
no，I‘ve tested android for several days，I think there are something foolish in this OS，alarms will not work if task ended by accident.

I am waiting for wp7.

sorry for my English:(
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] HectiQ:
indeed, I'm using maxsense for a few days now. It's not as easy as android to configure, but everything works, especially GPS, incall volume is high enough, browsing without any slowness, ..

I'm switching to android when:

- Lock works fine (no other buttons can enable the screen); so no calling ppl without noticing it, when your phone is in your pocket

- Shutdown-ability and other options only when phone is unlocked and not on lockscreen

- GPS-speed (it takes ages, then gives me totally incorrect data)

- browsing: known problem by all ppl

The SOD's I don't hate that much, it's the points stated above that make android a bit suck. But so far, I am happy I could test it, I like android, but I'm waiting for a more stable version to be released. For now it's good 'ol winmo :P

I thank all the ppl who are working on android to get it working,

and I think all of u are doin' a hell of a good job porting it with such speeds.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] DarkPaLadin:
I will stick to "I will continue to dual boot WinMo + Android on SD" variant, unless all soft will be ported to Android and issues with running some Android soft will be solved.

Will be there a port of wm7?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] M@rtyn04:
I will remain with the choice of dual booting as I'm still a fan of WinMo. Been using Android for the last three days and I like it, but not enough to give up WinMo. Just a bit peeved that there are so many GREAT apps for Android that aren't available for WinMo (particularly the Augmented Reality stuff), which is a shame. Surely, if an HD2 can run the apps in Android, it ought to be able to do the same in WinMo. Obviously the developers have given up on WinMo, seeing as its shelf life is nearly at an end.

But thanks to all the Devs here who have worked on porting Android to the HD2 and giving us the chance to try out another OS without the cost of having to buy an new device. Great work guys!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] BLAST3RR:
So, what does make the people here think you can't go back once you have flashed an Android rom? I mean, I'd suppose it is much easier to go back to the original version, as it has all drivers/right files in place already anyways. It's just replacing the boot loader with the other again.. ;)

But SD card Android will probably never be as stable as NAND flashing..

However, I don't give WinMo that much longer to last.. It's already being abandoned by the big software developers, so it's just a matter of time when Android will probably be on the majority of these phones.

The sooner we get it, the sooner it will be finished as a stable product.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Nirvana Rules:
NAND all the way F*Ck winmo

I've been running Android for a month and a half and I'lll never go back I can careless about WM7......
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] NessD:
If it's more stable and drains your battery significantly less than on SD, hell yeah, I'm gonna dump WinMo for good.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] deadey3:
Rest In Peace!

R.I.P WinMo :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] idimdim:
I will stay with dualboot

I am playing with Android builds since they were first available for my Diamond phone.

Today it is a must have OS for me, mainly because of the wifi management, the easy VPN connection and few games I enjoy, but in many other aspects WinMo is and will be my first choice:

=> GPS applications like iGO, iGO Primo (much better than Motonav), Garmin Mobile XT, TomTom;

=> Full Skype client;

=> MSN Live push mail + additional exchange (gmail in my case) sync;

It is true there are much more applications for Android, however those I really need and use are somehow more advanced in WinMo.

If the choice is WM OR Android, I believe I will stay with WM for now.

So, dualboot is my preference.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ogoglass:
Dualboot

For me dualbooting is the best choice. When I want to try new Android ROM the only thing I do is to copy my current to the SD card and try the new one. If it is better, ok. But if it's not returning to previous is a breeze. When it is on NAND, that's not possible so easy. As for WP7 I've read review on wwwDOTgsmarenaDOTcom and can say that I won't use it, because they removed so many features and it's like early iOS.

* No system-wide file manager

* No videocalling

* Limited third-party apps availability

* No Bluetooth file transfers

* No USB mass storage mode

* No multitasking

* No copy/paste

* Too dependent on Zune software for computer file management and syncing

* No music player equalisers

* No Flash or Silverlight support in the web browser

* No sign of free Bing maps Navigation so far

* No DivX/XviD video support

* No internet tethering support

* New ringtones available only through the Marketplace

* Swapping memory card requires hard reset; cards not readable by computer

So for me is dualboot.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] RobertsDF:
I will only flash if I am still able to run other builds off of the SD card. Otherwise, no. I enjoy messing around and trying other builds way to much to be stuck with only one.

If that's possible, androidmedaultimate would be the one I flash. Its been my main build for over a month now and I love it.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ced357:
of course, i wil flash android rom...

i wish, i wish!!!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] kenyloveg:
Of course yes, but only if video playback quality is better than CorePlayer on Windows Mobile.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] brandi:
Whats the deal with your CorePlayer? Mine works brilliant with up to 1008x1008 its hardlimits...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] smeddy:
Co0kie's Home Tab 2 has completely got me hooked on WM again and I'm now preferring WM UI-wise.

However I love the Apps on Android and if I can get at least 30-hours of battery from Android on NAND, I will switch. Until then, I move around too much to always be risking low-battery.

TomTom, TCPMC, and AlReader2 are also so great and are my Holy Trinity of Apps. I am yet to find solutions on Android that match these.