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[Nexus One General] peliROJO:
Being without a phone for a while would suck, but not more so than if it reboots as often as he reports. I wouldn't put up with that for a day. And just think, he could be using his awesome WinMo phone in the interim.
[Nexus One General] McHale:
So the guy (in this very thread) that said he's on his 3rd N1 and looking to get his 4th doesn't back up that the N1 has hardware issues? Either your logic is non-existent or you only read what you want to read. He's not alone. I've read many people who goes through replacements over and over to get sometimes a worse device. I don't want it to be a hardware issue because a software issue *I* can fix. Hardware repairs seem to have a hit or miss success rate if you read the Google support forums.

I find it funny that on a geek forum such as this many of you would rather just send in a phone to have someone solve your problems instead of troubleshooting and learning what the issue is. I think many of you are either in the wrong forum or don't understand what we do here. I'll tear this thing apart and inspect the PC board myself before sending it in. You don't think that the many people who are still suffering from this very problem wouldn't want to know EXACTLY what the problem is?

Wow. Just wow.

-Mc
[Nexus One General] SeEsAw12:
Again, this is only happening to some people. We've established, and we all agree, that this is only happening to some people. You make it seem like it's some widespread epidemic that we all have to just accept. It's not. The reason many people say it's hardware problem is because they KNOW it's a hardware problem. The touchscreen multi-touch problems, THAT'S a real problem. EVERYONE suffers from that. Your problem, only SOME people suffer from it.

If you think you know how to fix a hardware issue, which you probably don't because if you did you wouldn't have even started this tread, then go ahead.

Not everyone has the tools to fix hardware issues so we have to send it in. If it's a software issue, which clearly it isn't or you're describing your issues wrong, then it's something we can all help with and TRY to fix.

To be calling us out and practically calling us uneducated is absurd. You're not fixing anything by calling us out and whining.
[Nexus One General] McHale:
Listen junior, I started this thread to say "*MY* N1 sucks ass and I'm no longer using it as my primary. Here's why..." I didn't start this thread to take up a noble cause of saying everyone's N1 suffers this problem (as some of you newbs tend to do). I didn't even ask for help. I certainly don't want YOUR help. You guys got all fanboy and defensive about how Android is the end all be all and how dare I say something negative about Android, the Nexus or both. If you don't like it, don't participate in this thread. Constructive assistance and even criticism is welcome. Making statements like "Windows Mobile? - Loser" is just childish and stupid.

And despite what a couple people in a thread THINKS they know, NOBODY knows if it's hardware or not. Yet. How could they if they just sent it in and didn't troubleshoot to discover what the specific issue is? If any of you *KNOW* what the problem is, please tell me what part is bad and I'll repair it. I'm not saying it ISN'T hardware, I'm saying I'm trying everything possible before I come to that conclusion - including a complete tear down. I've got more cell phone experience, engineering experience, and especially cell phone hacking cred than the vast majority of geeks on this forum so I don't need *your* support. Trust me on this one.

Others (some who have spoken up in this thread) have the exact same issue I have. This thread is for them so we can figure out what the issue is - software, hardware, battery, whatever. Seriously, get out of it. Your N1 is absolutely perfect and will never suffer this issue so I wouldn't even worry about it if I were you. But if you do have this problem at some point, don't come back looking for answers on what the resolution was. Just send it in. I highly encourage that for you especially.
[Nexus One General] caysman:
Omg mchale...

You do generalize mindlessly.first of all, we all recommended you to send your phone in when it was obvious to a reasonable man that your phone had a hardware issue from the way you described your problem.

Secondly, your starting post communicated to most of us, even those who actually read, that you were leaving the n1 world because both andy and n1 was not up to your high standards, and your denial of your n1 having it's own hardware issues basically underlined your assertion that n1 is lousy by design, which, to most of us with normal phones, is untrue.

But you seem to be a stubborn soul with your own idiosyncratic set of standards, so I'll leave you to your fantasies.

Ps this post was written entirely using swype on the n1. It already took more than 5 minutes which is longer than the average period your n1 goes on without rebooting.

Lastly I hope you're not a microsoft shill because this is pathetic.
[Nexus One General] SeEsAw12:
Seriously? You came into a thread saying one OS is better than the other, as of now, because of a problem only a chosen few seem to suffer from.

Good for you man, you know what you're doing. Take if apart and break something! Then blame it on HTC's ****ty hardware.. or something completely stupid.

That's what warranties are for. If you have a warranty, USE IT. Don't take your phone apart, break it then end up with nothing.

I'm not stopping you from reaching an ultimate conclusion. This is good for the community. But if you have to resort to taking your phone apart and actually fixing it it's not going to 90% any good because, like I said, we don't all have the tools or the engineering experience you do.

We all love to experiment with software, that's why we're here, but hardware is a whole 'nother animal we don't want to mess with. There's no point of voiding your warranty for trying to fix something the manufacturer could do for free, better, and still under warranty.
[Nexus One General] McHale:
You guessed it. I joined XDA 5 years ago to ***** about Android once 2.2 was released.

Now, shhhh. Adults are talking.

-Mc
[Nexus One General] McHale:
I buy a new phone about 3 or 4 times a year (cash, no contract, out of my own pocket) and sometimes several of the same model if I'm testing something or working on a specific hack. If a better phone had been released since I bought this, the N1 would already be in a drawer collecting dust and just coming out to test custom ROMS or utilties. Hell, I bought 2 iPhones (3GS) last year to hack their OS/hardware. I've never used either as my phone in fact neither have ever had a working SIM in them to this day. I hate Apple and the iPhone.

But lastly, I firmly stand tall and say that Android's Exchange handling and more specifically Google's Email app is downright pitiful *especially* compared to Windows Mobile - which is incredibly sad. And THAT'S what I depend on 24/7. Not apps. Not games. Not widgits.

But again, one last time. If I never use GPS, my phone NEVER reboots. It's a documented issue that Froyo caused issues with some people's GPS. A hardware issue could have existed undetected that Froyo brought out of hiding. Who knows... According to Google, frequent reboots is a battery issue. Doesn't fly with me but I'll give it a shot. Doesn't cost me anything.

Honestly, I didn't come here to start an Android vs. WinMo war. Life is too short and it's a stupid argument regardless whatever the answer is. If you want to stick around and see what the answer is, please do. I'm here to figure out once and for all what's causing the reboot. I am pretty sure I know what the specific issue is and should know more before I go to bed. I still have a couple things to test to confirm but once I do, this thing gets torn down.
[Nexus One General] Deathwish238:
What a useless thread. You can't possibly think a phone that reboots all the time is normal. My phone reboots a few times a month from me hacking it too much. Your phone reboots and you're not doing anything.

Obviously, your phone is messed up. Call HTC. Get one that's not a lemon. It happens to every company, not a big deal.

And regarding heat, I live in TX and have never had heat related issues either while driving or walking around campus or anywhere.
[Nexus One General] nomad4ever:
Let's not feed that troll further. McHalo is so obviously enlightened, that any more useful or factual advice can only disturb his world peace.
[Nexus One General] JWhipple:
I've seen similar issues with a Nexus One - it was caused by me having a Froyo radio installed on an Eclair ROM. I had been playing with custom ROMs and a few Pre-Froyos and failed to switch the radio back to the Eclair version... It rebooted like mad whenever there was something significant happening with the radio, like turning on GPS or something similar.
[Nexus One General] peliROJO:
When, oh when, are you going to get the new battery and hard reset your phone? Do you even know what radio image you have flashed to your Nexus? I think you're the biggest goof off I've read in a long time. I like how you've narrowed it down to the GPS with your extensive engineering experience. Why didn't you know that before you started this mess?!!?

WARNING, THE OP IS A TROLL!
[Nexus One General] DarkDvr:
Wow, I feel for you dude..

But seriously, it's either you being very unlucky with N1 lemons.. or maybe you're doing something wrong..

I know it's frustrating as hell, and I wish you luck w/e you decide..

But going back to WM would be the last thing I'd ever do. I'd much rather switch to even iPhone. Even by design, WM OS is sooo error-prone, so convoluded, so poorly designed, in comparison to Android, which's clean and predictable. You definitely should be getting a far more reliable device with android rather than ANY WM device.

If you haven't already, keep bugging HTC/Google support, they will give up and send you new units. I've had similar problem with MSI video cards - I went though 4-5 new cards before I realized my PSU was burning them. Also thought MSI was ****, while it was something else. MSI kept replacing them for me for free, so major props to them.

I say keep replacing/trying, I'd say 95% of people here have excellent experience with their N1s.
[Nexus One General] jersey_609:
I've had my n1 since it came out and haven't had the problems u have, but what I don't understand is if u want to go back to winmo why not just do that instead of starting this post you should know the steps to take to get your phone repaired if u wanted and that probably would of taking less time then writing this post.
[Nexus One General] nexusdue:
True. But the fanboys will flame you for it.
[Nexus One General] header2k:
@Everyone calling him a troll and keep saying that he should send it to htc:

He said he don't want to loose his AMOLED Screen and his engraving. That's why he don't want to let htc repair it. Please read before bash!

@McHale

Looks like there are a lot of people who get the same error with a replaced phone.
[Nexus One General] Jack_R1:
That might be just because until you try to use it as your primary tool, you just never realize how crappy it is. And I believe there are few people using Nexus as their Email tool, and don't use some kind of 3rd party mail client.

It is, without any doubt, one of the crappies Email apps I've ever encountered.

If you ask me - I believe that Google neglected this side of development for a reason - very few phones use vanilla OS, and most skins change the Email/messages/connectivity apps, because that's where they want to differ. And these skins evolve from several years ago. So yes, those with vanilla ROMs are screwed / forced to use other Email clients. It'll most probably change with Gingerbread, since Google tries to spice up the vanilla GUI and functionality - that would be one of the first things to take care of.

And personally, even though I have corporate mail, I've only recently connected my Nexus to it, and mostly for calendar sync and writing OOO mails. I believe that might be the case with most users, especially home users - most might prefer Gmail light web interface against incredibly awful MS Outlook.
[Nexus One General] SeEsAw12:
Nobody has said the email system on android is better than the one on WinMo or any Mobile OS at that. You should read everything before you post...
[Nexus One General] peliROJO:
I think it's obvious that you haven't read this thread. He would have been better served to send the device in for repair than to make this post. He's made assumptions that he has a more important job that some of the posters, that he's an expert engnineer capable of solving any problem with the phone (software and hardware), and has yet to replace the battery. He claims to have hard reset the device, uninstalled and installed apps, flashed a different radio image, etc. Yet he doesn't know what's broken AND doesn't know how to recreate the problem consistently. Though at one point he insinuates that he knows it's the GPS. All he needs to do is send it to HTC for repair. He keeps his screen and oh-so-special engraving, as already stated!!! And he doesn't need to use his mom's credit card.
[Nexus One General] McHale:
You either have not read any of my posts, are blatantly lying for some weird superiority thing, or just plain an idiot. I can recreate the problem easily and whenever I want to and stated that on the 1st and 2nd page. The battery hasn't been replaced because the nice FedEx lady hadn't dropped it off yet it was already ordered. I'm going through the entire process as Google/HTC set up. I'm pretty sure they've got more experience with this issue than any of the lunkheads in this thread. While I wait for them, I work on my own.

1. Sending it in for repair is not a great option since many have stated that after waiting 3 or 4 weeks they get it back with the exact same problem. There are a LOT more horror stories than success stories with repair.

2. I don't want a refurb. Those are having just as many problems.

3. The battery has been ordered. It hasn't arrived yet. On the surface it sounds like a stupid solution to a much bigger problem but Google specifically identified frequent rebooting as an issue with the battery being the solution. I'll give it a shot, doesn't cost me anything.

4. I've got bone stock FRF91 (including original FRF91 radio - 4.06) on my device and have hard reset it quite a few times - 4 times today alone while testing things.

5. The issue *ISN'T* the GPS. GPS just triggers the rebooting.

6. If they still sold an AT&T model, I'd buy another (and not return this one). This is a serious issue that affects new, used, and newly sent refurb phones. That tells me that even though some of you don't have the problem today, you may have it soon. Mine never rebooted for months. XDA is a board for experienced technicians and programmers. if I can find out exactly what the cause is and I can't fix it, maybe someone else can take what I discover and run with it. My goal is to find out the issue so anyone can fix this issue INSTEAD of sending it in.

QUICK UPDATE: The issue isn't a result of heat - tested and confirmed. For those with the issue, feel free to PM me and I'll let you know what the issue is. I can now make the reboot happen OR NOT HAPPEN whenever I want on the bench.
[Nexus One General] ctbear:
You do realize that people don't usually post success stories..?

And how did you arrive at this conclusion?

If it is based on #1, refer to above.

I don't have anything negative against you, and I'm sure a lot of people here were actually willing to help, but you were kind of driving them away.

Comments like this only made things worse. If you insist that it's pointless to get a repair, it's your decision. But instead you started calling people idiots or little kids or assume that you are better than them. What did you expect from all that?

Anyways it seems like you have figured out where the problem is. Good luck to you.

On a side note: HTC's repair service has awful communications, but when they are actually doing their job, they do it well. This is from my personal experience as well as stories from some friends of mine.
[Nexus One General] SeEsAw12:
If you're not going to post any progress here and ask people to message you so they can know then this entire thread is useless. We should have it closed.
[Nexus One General] McHale:
From the Google forums where people are complaining about receiving their repaired/refurbed units and the problems still exist and sometimes worse than when they were sent in. Of all the HTC devices I own, this is only the 2nd one with any type of hardware issue and the 1st was caused by someone spilling something on it. HTC is not known for having hardware issues especially THIS many. I have ZERO experience with their tech support with the exception of ordering the replacement battery over the weekend and they were nice and efficient.

And to your point about driving people away with negative comments, they were always in response to idiotic posts. These forums are no longer filled with technical people working together to resolve an issue or create a new feature from an overlooked security hole. The vast majority are wannabe's looking to get the latest ROM for the phone they just bought. When someone with 41 posts calls me an idiot because I'm troubleshooting a significant problem instead of doing what they did and just ask for another one, it's not worth my time to spoon feed them about the spirit of the XDA community. They'll never understand it.
[Nexus One General] Bigubee:
My contract was up with T-mobile and I was anticipating in purchasing an Android back in March of this year. I heard good things about the Nexus one versus other Android phones at the time. I went out and purchased a Nexus on Craig's List from a young chinese lady that supposedly said lost her job and needed to rid of it to get her money back. I thought that was odd but me the dumb ass I was did not do my homework enough to know that this Nexus had its issues. I plugged my GSM chip from my old T-Mobile HTC Wing unto the Nexus and used it for about two weeks with constant call drops and sporratic 3G connections. Got so frustrated that I tried calling back the person I bought it from and never returned my calls. I got on Google to see if there were any complaints or issue. Found it was hard to tell because others were enjoying their Nexus and others were not. So I decided to give HTC Google Nexus One Support a call (888-356-2375) for information to my problems. They suggested I reset the phone to factory default. Which I told them I already did before calling them. The tech then was nice about sending me a refurbished Nexus one to accomodate the frustration that I was going through with this one I had. When I got the refurbished one, all my troubles were over until my Employer assigns me a new account location that have Verizon/ AT&T micro cell towers (area where I work does not approve installing cell towers on any of the buildings and is the reason why micro cells were installed instead) and now my T-mobile connection never gets 3G or one freaken bar ! I stuck it out for about a week because as soon as I leave the account, I can use my phone but sometimes I need to check my emails, weather, news and social network and that is frustrating to have to wait end of day. I decided to head over to an AT&T franchise to purchase their GSM and say good bye to T-Mobile after 9 years of them being good to me. I had 4 Windows mobile phones with them ( I loved WinMobile, never had issues). Popped the AT&T GSM card and till this day I never have any problems except one thing, 3G is not available anymore? Well it happens I have a Nexus T-mobile version phone that will not connect 3G when using a AT&T GSM chip. Auuuurgh! talk about frustration running Edge only? I got back on the phone with HTC Technical Support and found they will not trade me a Nexus AT&T version with my Nexus T-Mobile version. They suggested I blog or put it up for trade or sale on Ebay/Craig's List. I tell you the truth, Nexus one phone is an awesome phone but it will make your life misreable if you do not do your homework to find out a lot about a product before buying. I have no regrets in having this phone because I learned a lot about Android and its cell phone providers running them (HTC, MOTOROLA, SAMSUNG, SANYO,SONY,DELL and many others). I want to say that all of the issues with Android phones vary, either you have a lemon or a perfect working phone. My advice:Just keep aiming for the better refurbished phone till you get it right ! As for me, I am looking to trade my T-Mobile Nexus with anyone out there having a ATT Nexus version?
[Nexus One General] Bigubee:
That is correct. WinMo email system gave me no issues. Android is still fairly new in the market and will take some time before the bugs are fixed.
[Nexus One General] SBS_:
So what you're really saying is you bought a used Nexus One which was broken, got a refurbished one from HTC which worked great and your only problem now is that you didn't know AT&T and T-Mobile use different frequencies on 3G?

Btw the 3G frequencies AT&T use are used by a miniscule amount of carriers around the world, which is why few phones support them.
[Nexus One General] McHale:
Not true. 1900 is USA standard and also used elsewhere. 850 is also used by all the GSM carriers in Canada and Australia (and China?). T-Mobile's 3G is only used by T-Mobile USA. They are the oddballs...

-Mc
[Nexus One General] SBS_:
Oh yeah, that's why the T-Mobile version of the Nexus One gets 3G all over Europe, sorry I forgot. My bad.
[Nexus One General] McHale:
It's because the T-Mobile version ALSO has European frequencies on it like the AT&T version. You obviously don't understand what frequencies are used in which countries.

Here's a quick quiz:

850

900

1700

1800

1900

2100

Some of those don't work in the US but they are on the phones sold in the US. Can you guess which ones? And do you know why they are on the phones if they don't work in the US? So the phones can work in other countries.

Wow... Welcome to XDA. We talk about phones here...

WOW.

-Mc
[Nexus One General] SBS_:
Guess you can take a look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands

and check it out for yourself.

edit:

Just for refernce:

T-Mobile N1 supports UMTS frequency bands 1 (2100 MHz), 4 (1700 MHz), and 8 (900 MHz)

AT&T N1 supports UMTS frequency bands 1 (2100 MHz), 2 (1900 MHz), and 5 (850 MHz)
[Nexus One General] McHale:
Correct. My point was, your statement that AT&T in the US's frequencies aren't the same anywhere else is absolutely false. As pointed out previously, the very same frequencies that AT&T uses SPECIFICALLY in the U.S. are used in at least 3 additional countries (so at least 4 countries total for 850 and/or 1900). Both phones also contain frequencies for additional countries (2100, 900). And T-Mobile uses 1900 for 2G but not 3G.

So, the frequency (1700) that T-Mobile uses in the U.S. is used in how many countries besides the US?

To your point specifically:

It's because HTC included additional frequencies beyond what T-Mobile US uses. The reason the T-Mobile (and AT&T) versions of the Nexus One work in Europe is because they contain the support for European frequencies.

Why is this hard for you?
[Nexus One General] SBS_:
Are you retarded? the AT&T N1 doesn't have UMTS on the 900MHz band and is therefore not compatible with some 3G networks in Europe and Asia. I even gave you a link...
[Nexus One General] :
T-mobile is the odd ball here in the states because they are the only ones who use "standard" frequencies.

Tmobile used frequencies match up more with eruope frequencies than att frequencies.
[Nexus One General] McHale:
Everybody does know that any frequency used in Europe doesn't work in the US and any used in the US does not work in Europe, right?

Man I hope that's a unanimous yes. I'm afraid it isn't...
[Nexus One General] :
.....

..........

I'm afraid you are entirely wrong on that front.
[Nexus One General] McHale:
Alright. What's wrong with it? Since I work in Europe and the US, I'm curious. School me.