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[Droid Incredible Android Development] dimebagdan65:
Give 09.01 a test, then give 07.28 a test, THEN decide whether you agree or not lol kthxbye but if you do your research (here and on other forums) you'll find that it is widely acknowledged and documented that 09.01 is a hugely contributing factor to rapid battery drain, bump charge or not... It's because of that overwhelming evidence that I switched back to 07.28 and found out for myself that "50 million Elvis fans can't be wrong". My previous post was based on collected evidence and verified thru personal experience,not just an opinion based off of what I read. But like I said, test drive BOTH, then decide if you agree or disagree...

Droid Incredible

HBOOT .92

unrEVOked Forever S-off

2.15.00.07.28

Redemption Rom 2.0.5

SoCalMiles' INCredible rEVOlution theme

Black HTC Incredible Unrevoked Splash Screen

"Redemption Rom" custom boot animation!

KxK BFS #5

PRL 65144

=:D
[Droid Incredible Android Development] jlss:
Ran 09.01 yesterday and today. I'm not seeing the "massive battery drain". Shrug.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] :
Just to double check...is 2.6.32.15 the latest BFS #5 (havs/oc/uv) version? This version has worked great for me thus far...wondering if there are any updates. Thanks!
[Droid Incredible Android Development] RYANIMOSITY:
am i tripping or why cant i find the link to download the BFS #5 can anybody point me in the right direction?
[Droid Incredible Android Development] rfarrah:
Here you go

http://kingxklick.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=154
[Droid Incredible Android Development] jwood:
Where is the BFS 357....
[Droid Incredible Android Development] adamant13247:
Bfs 357? What do you mean?

And whens the next bfs coming? :)
[Droid Incredible Android Development] jiggad369:
Via Twitter:
[Droid Incredible Android Development] winston856:
Anybody use setcpu with this kernal with good results? I heard not to use it because it basically fights against the kernal. Just curious if that's true.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] :
I use #5 BFS with setCpu without problems....but I don't overclock...i just use the conservative scaling setting along with the "screen off" profile.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] winston856:
Did you notice any worse battery life with set cpu? What speed is your screen off profile set to?
[Droid Incredible Android Development] REYES702:
I found my battery to be a little bit better without using SetCPU and no OC with OC it doesn't seem that great. I think BFS#2 w/ SetCPU OC + Profiles has given me the best battery life so far. I will perform a test when SR 3.3 comes out.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] :
I used setCpu from the get go and the phone performs better than with the stock kernel. For the screen off profile I use 245-384 range with a priority of 90 and powersave scaling...on the main menu I use conservative scaling.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] byrong:
I've read a lot of posts here that say the kernel performs better without SetCPU. In my own testing, SetCPU provides a noticeable increase in battery life compared to the kernel working on its own. I do not overclock: just have a screen-off profile.

I am not constantly using my phone, so my priority is a setup that maximizes battery life during times of low usage. To control for as many variables as possible, my tests were conducted with the phone left in airplane mode with wifi/gps/etc all disabled and only a select number of processes running (system itself + tasker which records logs at regular intervals). The phone was left untouched for each test (as I would just leave the phone overnight).

I've run 4 iterations of 8 hours (2 without SetCPU, 2 with SetCPU) on BFS #5. Test would start with the battery in the mid-60's. With the kernel working on its own, my average battery drain over a span of 8 hours is 6%. With a SetCPU screen-off profile of conservative/245-460, my average battery drain over the same time span is 2%.

Granted, this has nothing to do with battery drain during use, but like I said, my primary concern is with turning my phone into a 'sipper' during low-activity periods. In that regard, I will definitely stick with SetCPU and a screen-off profile.

Of course, your results may vary. We all run our phones differently so I don't expect that my figures are meaningful outside of my own experience (especially since they were gathered under artificial control conditions)
[Droid Incredible Android Development] elborak:
All right, I'll try for the third and last time to get an answer to this question. If my analysis is correct, with this bug AVS is doing absolutely nothing; it's a big no-op.

Can you please respond to this, King?
[Droid Incredible Android Development] SomeGuyDude:
Agreed. I'm curious to know what's up with that. I'm no coder, but I'm a kernel addict so this is relevant too my interests, LOL.

- Sent from my rooted Inc
[Droid Incredible Android Development] adamant13247:
Ahhhhhh....i don't have a twitter account! lol What will this mean as far as advancements?
[Droid Incredible Android Development] SR3TLAW:
Google navigation lags when using uncommon and bfs 5 any feedback ?
[Droid Incredible Android Development] :
I haven't use Google Maps with BFS #5 yet (I have Uncommon too)...but tomorrow I will probably use it. I'll keep you posted.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Chip Chipperson:
I had the same setup this past weekend while traveling through massachusetts and the lag was a pain in the ass!!!

I went back to stock kernel and redemption rom. I was curious too which caused the issue.

sent from your mom's box
[Droid Incredible Android Development] oldman_58:
I feel compelled to jump in here, you do understand King is providing his time and his work "Free of Charge" if you want you can donate but it is not required and you can always use someone else's kernel, I have tried a few and always come back the BFS version of King's kernels

With that said, rather than rail against the darkness, you seem to be very knowledgeable, change the code your self test it if your theory is correct share you findings with King in a private PM not in a public forum.

There is already way too much drama in these forums, The DEVS deserve a lot better.

I am done ranting
[Droid Incredible Android Development] elborak:
I'm not sure why you felt "compelled" to comment.

I've been a professional developer for over 25 years. I've never minded anyone reporting bugs to me, in any venue. Someone finding & reporting problems with your code is doing you a favor: it's free code review & QA! I'm asking king rather than just posting a fix as a courtesy.

Why some are taking this as a slam or put down of king is beyond me.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] SomeGuyDude:
There's this really strange attitude on these forums (and others) that users and the community are in no way allowed to point out flaws in the product.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] ozzynyc:
Oldman_58 has no idea what he's talking about. Elborak, i'm with you 120% on this (being the developer as well)!
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Hand76:
Well unlike the last few BFS kernals that made my phone feel sluggish after 30-40+ hours of up time with the CPU up at 100% this one has yet to do that BUT after being on for that lenghth of time System Monitor starts to show my CPU clock still stuck at 100% again.

This has been an ongoing issue now with all of Kings kernals.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Divine_Madcat:
As others have pointed out, what an odd way to respond to people with serious questions about the software. This might be different if people were demandin x, y, and z functionality, but this is pointing out (potential) bugs, which is something you really don't want floating around in people's kernals. I highly doubt King minds genuine feedback - without it, we would still be on version 1.. ;)
[Droid Incredible Android Development] HuskerWebhead:
I actually just flashed to the new Uncommon Sense v1.1 and it installs the stock kernel. I used it as an opportunity to test the GPS before reinstalling Kings bfs #5. GPS returned to normal and there was no lag. Granted, maybe it was something fixed in the new version of Uncommon, so take it for what it's worth. I'll be installing #5 back on later today, so I'll find out for sure at that point.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] paladine01:
I was having the same problem. I uninstalled BFS #5 and put Adrenalyne's custom kernel on my Virtuous 3.0.1 installation. Now it's running smoothly. Sounds like something fishy with BFS #5.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] oldman_58:
This is why I felt compelled to answered "All right, I'll try for the third and last time to get an answer to this question."

I too am a developer and respond far more favorably to professional decorum than demands for responses in public forums.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] elborak:
Unless your speak a different brand of English than I do, "I'll try for the 3rd and last time" is not a demand. It's an expression of exasperation and an indication that I'm going to stop trying if this doesn't succeed. And I plan to do so, but folks like you won't let it rest.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] SR3TLAW:
Thanks for all the help regarding GPS lag. Downloading uncommon 1.1 now. Hope battery life isn't too bad, really liked it on bfs 5.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] adamant13247:
King is trying really hard to do his best, and yes he may have a few hiccups in his kernels, but just because he doesn't respond doesn't mean he doesn't care, he is probably just really busy. He probably read over your post, they are really long. I understand you are trying to help, and I agree, I feel looking into the AVS is needed.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] yomonk1:
Hey guys, just a suggestion, would you mind PMing each other instead of posting publicly on this? I know its a public forum but this is simple bickering. Thanks.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] HuskerWebhead:
I am seeing a noticeable delay when using GPS navigation after installing #5. Anyone else experiencing this? I recently flashed an update to a ROM I was using and it reinstalled the stock kernel. So I took it as an opportunity to test the ROM with and without KKs #5. With the stock kernel navigation worked smooth without delay. Once I installed #5 the delays were back. I'm running with just the screen off profile, slightly overclocked at 1036800: Interactive.

The delay isn't constant. But generally instead of the arrow moving along the map nice and smooth it sort of jumps, like it hangs then tries to catch up.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Pons:
Sounds like a delay in the CPU scheduling. I've ran into that when I had a low battery and set the max and min at 245, obviously in my case. Try it without SetCPU and clear the dalvik cache if you didn't already.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] jlss:
I agree. I get the best performance from BFS #5 with SetCPU uninstalled. Second best with SetCPU installed, at stock max and a screen off profile using the conservative governor. It would stand to reason that tinkering with the governor w/ SetCPU could/should negatively impact the natural behavior of the kernel.

$.02
[Droid Incredible Android Development] JoeyBert:
Switched to BFS 4 after using 5 since release. Was experiencing a fair share of force closes and slow down after only 10 hours of up time. We'll see how it works out
[Droid Incredible Android Development] wrightrocket:
Usb connection problems

After installing BFS#5 yesterday, my Droid Incredible is no longer prompting me for how to connect to my computer. When I connect the USB cable, the charging light comes on the phone, but that's it. I've double-checked MENU, SETTINGS, CONNECT TO PC, and it is set to "Ask me", but it does not.

In a related issue, now the phone does not show up in the output in Linux of lsusb, either. Windows 7 does not detect the device, too.

I have double checked the phone: MENU, SETTINGS, APPLICATIONS, DEVELOPMENT, and USB DEBUGGING is selected, and yet in both Windows and Linux the command adb devices does not show my phone.

Luckily, if I tether my phone with Wireless Tether, and then run the AdbWireless app, then I can do adb connect 192.168.2.254:5555 and then my other adb commands work. So, it seems that adbd is running on the phone, but does not work on my USB cable.

Is it just a coincidence that this happened immediately after installing the kernel, or does any one have any suggestions. BTW, I have tried going to the stock kernel, and BFS#4, but the problem persists... :eek:
[Droid Incredible Android Development] :
That's exactly how I use it. I don't care about overclocking, so I use the main tab at conservative and only add a "Screen Off" profile of 245/3xx with 90 priority and powersave scaling. Attached are my battery stats after a wiping the batterystats file and bump charing my phone. Did the following though out the day: phone calls (including 1hour call), ~100 txt msgs, Facebook, HTC Music (2 full albums), browsing the XDA app. So far I'm getting more better battery usage that just plain stock Kernel. Since I'm not overclocking I'm not getting any freezes or FCs.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] oldman_58:
Check:

Setup

Settings > Applications > Development

make USB Debugging is checked

As for just charging, there must be a setting that is switched not to ask if you want o charge, tether or Disk drive any longer.. My best guess is one of the programs in Manage Applications Menu
[Droid Incredible Android Development] HuskerWebhead:
I'll give uninstalling SetCPU a shot. I did clear dalvik when I installed the kernel initially. I'll report back tomorrow. :)
[Droid Incredible Android Development] jwood:
I saw a tweet last week from KK, about the King BFS357 Kernel , any word on this release?

Sent using SkyRadier 3.2 RC3 Incredible ROM with King Kernel #5 and the 2.15 Radio.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] HuskerWebhead:
No dice. Uninstalled SetCPU and still had the delays using Navigation.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] destovel:
Im having the same issues with the GPS. The phone stutters a lot more than it used to
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Grizzly420:
I flashed the #4 kernal to day and i starting getting HTC Sense forcs closes. Here is my error log if any one can help.

I read the the cup subsys fail is to do low mem but im a complete noob to this.:confused:

E/dalvikvm( 676): Failed to find cpu subsys

E/dalvikvm( 676): Failed to find cpu subsys

E/dalvikvm( 676): Failed to find cpu subsys

E/dalvikvm( 676): Failed to find cpu subsys
[Droid Incredible Android Development] jlss:
Sorry, I snipped it for brevity. Did you wipe dalvik cache before flashing the kernel? Looks like the dalvik vm isn't finding what it expects to when calling on that line. If not, boot to recovery->advanced->wipe dalvik cache-> confirm, etc, then flash the kernel again. Hope it helps.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Grizzly420:
Dude you rock. No I didn't but makes sense. Should you wipe dalvik before every kernal install

Actually installed at the time of the rom install. Before first boot up
[Droid Incredible Android Development] jlss:
Consensus seems to be yes. I do and haven't had a problem.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Colomonster:
BOOT YOUR ROM BEFORE FLASHING A KERNEL THEN WIPE DALVIK AND FLASH THEN START... sorry for yelling um yeah allways try to boot after each flash to kep from hitting walls.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] s197:
Well said, I see no problem with bringing forth a bug especially from someone with experience in the development field. It only HURTS the community if those with knowledge stay quiet for fear of being chastised. I for one am glad you're speaking up.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] delriogil:
Google Maps

I've been reading that people are experiencing lags with Google Maps using KK's #5 BFS kernel. I've had a similar experience where my phone lags after using Google Maps followed by a boot loop. The only remedy was to do a battery pull. I've changed the kernel to Adrynalyne's kernel to see if I get the same results. Wondering if anyone else is also having the same problem I'm having. I'm using the stock UI.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] ToyTank:
FYI you can post a .txt file:D
[Droid Incredible Android Development] adamant13247:
So what kernel are you working on now king?
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Reddog80p:
Where's the BFS #5 Kernel download at? I click on the link in the first post and it takes me to King's website but all I see is the CFS #4 kernel and the #1/2 AOSP kernel.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Pons:
Follow the link for CFS #4. You'll soon see the light.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Reddog80p:
Thanks.

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[Droid Incredible Android Development] klittle81:
anyone get the gps lag issue worked out with uncommon sense rom 1.1?? i restored back to stock Kernel and all is well... #5 dont like the GPS.. :(
[Droid Incredible Android Development] SomeGuyDude:
I dunno, CFS #4 is pretty rockin' too. I'm bouncing back and forth between them.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] JoeyBert:
anyone have a link to the stock kernel?
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Pons:
In Rom Manager under Virtuous.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] JoeyBert:
it's telling me 'Corrupt Zip file'

any other places?
[Droid Incredible Android Development] byrong:
I was also having problems with GPS and BFS#5. GPS lock was extremely slow and navigation stuttered a lot. Went back to stock kernel for now

I can't say with certainty that BFS#5 is at fault for the GPS issues, but switching back to the stock kernel did indeed seem to improve the symptoms.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Ty07allstar:
How does CFS #4 run?
[Droid Incredible Android Development] AndrewGL:
No problems when I ran it. Maybe a bit slower than BFS? Not sure
[Droid Incredible Android Development] destovel:
Does CFS 4 work better with google maps? ive experienced the lag with BSF 5 first hand and im wondering if anyone had better luck with CFS 4?
[Droid Incredible Android Development] kingklick:
For the 1000th time guys

GPS is not kernel related AT ALL....

who told you all this? lol
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Colomonster:
Gps worked fine and fast for me when using #5 I am using hydra currently because #5 sent me into reboot with the redemptive Rom hopefully your newest latest greatest works well with lous newest rom... and I won't have to use outdated kernels.... thanks for the good times king and hopefully I can come back to your work soon
[Droid Incredible Android Development] parkson:
Tried all available BFS and CFS kernels with Virtuous 3.0.1 32m setup and I keep going back to CFS #4. It's just that good. Thanks KING
[Droid Incredible Android Development] byrong:
But the kernel is certainly related to how well programs run, no? So if a program like Google Maps is suddenly performing very poorly for a number of users of this kernel, couldn't there be an issue?

Sure, maybe it's not the GPS reception/antennae itself that is being affected, but the point is that some of us have issues with Google Maps while using this kernel.

Also, since you're checking back in on the thread, can you comment on this please? --
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Homan13PSU:
Tsssss, sounds like you were in a real pickle there or sumptin; tsssss.

Just installed BFS #5 last night. Running Redemption 2.0.5 and was seeing some pretty good battery stats on just the stock ROM. I'll be interested to see if this improves on that or not. I'll try and post back in a week with how it ran for me.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] klittle81:
May not be... all I know is that with BFS#5 the Navigation skips and lags like crazy... with stock kernel or BFS#4 it runs fine.

So im my view.. (means nothing) its either the BFS#5 Kernel not playing well with the OS, or ??? I dunno...

All i DO know is that it does not work for "me".
[Droid Incredible Android Development] HuskerWebhead:
Hmmm. Well, yeah, I guess I can't explain it either then. I'm certainly no expert at what affects what. All I know is running Uncommon Sense 1.0 - 1.1 with KK #5 I get delays on GPS. Install the stock ROM, no delays. Re-install KK #5...delays. No other changes, same radio, with and without SetCPU. If there's something else I should be looking at I'm open for suggestions. :o
[Droid Incredible Android Development] hawkye:
True dat! I have not had one GPS or Google Maps issue with any of King's Kernels. I use both a lot. I am betting it is your ROM. I am running mostly a stock ROM with some tweaks.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Divine_Madcat:
Well, after a couple of weeks with the King Kernals (BFS #4 and #5), I am on the virtuous custom v2, and couldn't be happier. The phone is more responsive (especially unlocking and scrolling), navigation is snappier, and even battery life is marginally better. I might try another king kernal, if one is made that is worth trying, but for now... meh..
[Droid Incredible Android Development] clambert11:
If I didn't know any better I would have sworn I wrote that post. I went through the same experience and ended with the same result. For now I am happy with Virtuous' kernel. It's not to say I am not open to trying another one of King's kernels, it just I need the performance.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Homan13PSU:
Been running BFS #5 now for two days now on Redemption 2.0.5. Battery life is noticeable down from what I was experiencing with just the stock kernel on the ROM. Normall I was seeing between 30-40% battery left during the work week because my phone sits outside my office the entire day with little to no use. It gets a good workout afterwards so I would call my work week habits moderate use. Yesterday, my battery died before 9:00 last night, today I'm down to 42% left at 3:45.

Apart from that I have noticed an slight bump in performance, and that is without overclocking. No lags, no FC's. I'm thinking I'll run this another couple days before throwing in the towel. Regardless of the battery run down, great job on the kernel.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] SomeGuyDude:
Get SetCPU, make a profile for screen off. You'll be set.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Homan13PSU:
I'll give that a shot.

Just one question; I thought setting profiles for low CPU usage like this pretty much negates the reason for using these kernals. Did I understand that incorrectly?
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Pons:
You understand perfectly. King even recommends against SetCPU as it conflicts with HAVS.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Homan13PSU:
Shame. I used #3 when I was running FrankenROM and was very pleased with it. Oh well, not everything is going to play nicely with everything. That's the fun of Android!
[Droid Incredible Android Development] SomeGuyDude:
He recommends against underclocking with it. On KK#5 he says only use SetCPU to overclock.

So, what I did was set it at 1.03/245 screen on, and 384/245 screen off. Seems to be working well so far.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] hawkye:
I finally decided to try without SetCPU for the past 24hrs. It has been running great! The battery life is much much much better. I have 3 batteries so that really wasn't a worry for me.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] superyoungg:
I had an interesting thing happen to me that's never happened before, which got me wondering if anyone else using the ROM SR3.3 with KKBFS#5 has experienced it as well.

While playing "Real Blackjack," my phone suddenly became extremely slow. I opened setCPU and saw that my processor was pegged at max clock speed. One by one, I killed running applications to see if I could find the culprit until I had none left running, using both ATK and System Panel. However, the lag persisted and I was forced to reboot my phone. Anyone else Using SR3.3 and KKBFS#5 experience this?

Perhaps I should also mention that i am using the interactive govenor with my processor set to stock speeds with no setCPU profiles.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Pons:
Clear dalvik before installing the kernel? That's happened to me before when I didn't.