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[Droid Incredible Android Development] upther:
I've gone the past two days without SetCPU and using BFS #4. I wasn't over clocking, I was just using it for a screen off profile. I haven't noticed any difference in battery life. I had 16 hours of up time and just over 4.5 hours of up with 43% left last night before I plugged in. Just as good if not better than what I was getting with SetCPU.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Ty07allstar:
Will you be updating both the CFS and the BFS kernels?
[Droid Incredible Android Development] gmichaelow:
Yeah, makes me sad as well. But I don't think I've ever gone to the point where I've surfed to the point of no more battery xD 2 hours of 3G surfing is a long time!

haha, anyways, just know that there's nothing wrong with your phone =]
[Droid Incredible Android Development] ardax:
Is there any chance you'd do me the favor of explaining how SetCPU negates or works against HAVS? I read your explanation here, but my understanding of SetCPU is that is can only modify your min & max clockspeed and which CPU governor is used, with the profiles allowing one to modify them based on various conditions. The kernel still has to pick which clock speed & power level to run at -- SetCPU just gives modifies its limits.

It sounds like HAVS works at any clock speed. Is there something about it's design that causes problems with non-default governors, or does it lose its history when the min/max CPU clocks or governors change (i.e. when different profiles get activated)?

Otherwise, it's nice to be able to goose the battery a bit by having a SetCPU screen off profile that underclocks the CPU, and the interactive governor seems to helps with UI responsiveness.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Hand76:
When King says not to use setcpu, only to oc, what does that mean? Don't change governors? Don't make profiles? Not to set it to start on boot?
[Droid Incredible Android Development] lazycrazyboi:
To be honest I don't think, not using setcpu helps any, after 24 hrs of up time my phone needs a battery pull cuz my phone gets unstable when using #3 and #4 never tried 2 and 1
[Droid Incredible Android Development] kingklick:
Kernel #5 is ready uploading soon :)
[Droid Incredible Android Development] jlss:
yippie! I love Fridays :D
[Droid Incredible Android Development] DroidHam:
Can you tell us why or why not to use setcpu in the update?
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Zero0ftheArk:
Woo yea know when wet can expect it looking forward to it I'm running shadowrom with the htc incredible and although the#4 release caused a boot loop it did work foot awhile it was fantastic super responsive on performance and great battery on conservative
[Droid Incredible Android Development] kingklick:
Changelog up for #5... you are really going to like this one :)

I say not to use set cpu for anything other than overclocking because it is negating the effect of HAVS, which is the mainstake of my inc kernels.

:D
[Droid Incredible Android Development] jlss:
Read changelog, waiting for link! :)
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Zero0ftheArk:
Sounds great I'm now camping out the forum haha
[Droid Incredible Android Development] csseale:
Ooohhhh boy....ooohhhhhhh boy....oooooooooooooohhh boy..I can NOT wait. I am like a kid in a candy store....come on king....

SR vanilla

KK bfs#3

Radio 2.15.078

Hboot .77
[Droid Incredible Android Development] NorthfieldMaui:
sweeeeeeeeeettttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[Droid Incredible Android Development] DroidHam:
cmon man hook it up!!!!
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Div033:
So, does setting a screen off profile (like 245mhz max) in setcpu really help save battery whilst asleep...?

Or is it just a perception...? I'm confused now. :(

I always thought it did... I wish we could get some solid info on this.

Sent from my Droid Incredible running SkyRaider Vanilla 3.0
[Droid Incredible Android Development] DroidHam:
He just answered this above :)

The only time its beneficial is if your overclocked
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Odin2347:
Sweet waiting for download link
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Stam2000:
I broke my F5 key on my laptop
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Div033:
Yes, I am aware that he said HAVS is borked with set cpu. But would it even make a difference if he, say, implemented a function within the kernal which locked your MHz at 245 when the screen is off? Or do lower mhz != better battery life? I dont even know if that's possible, but just for the sake of argument. That's what I'm mostly wondering.

Sent from my Droid Incredible running SkyRaider Vanilla 3.0
[Droid Incredible Android Development] DroidHam:
I don't really understand HAVS that well, im going to just take his advice. Try out with and without setcpu if you wanna be sure....
[Droid Incredible Android Development] adamant13247:
Bfs #5!!! Is it christmas? Can I open my present early? Please! I'm stoked!!
[Droid Incredible Android Development] DroidHam:
Cmooooon! 10 char
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Nimbus79:
seriously... between this kernal, v1.0 of the Deisre HD port, me and CWM are going to be best friends tonight :D
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Berzerker7:
Can you please add the "More that I will" add? I'd like to know what more there is on the kernel...every iteration has had that line on there without any explanations.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Odin2347:
So are we getting the new kernel?
[Droid Incredible Android Development] drewfus:
Recently my phone has been freezing on a specific processor speed and been ultra lagging my phone. Finally realized it was the underclock speed for my screen off profile. Removed the profile and everything is gravy again. Those having lag issues might want to check that.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] smtom:
Don't forget, it depends on the ROM whether Hydra's kernels and their over/underclocking perfromance - ROMs are not all the same, nor do they perform the same with different kernels and SetCPU.

To be fair, I'm stoked about King's #5!! Typically, when I ran other ROMs with King's kernel(s), I got eyeball-flattening speed, and no appreciable battery issues. That said, I want to see what #5 brings!
[Droid Incredible Android Development] dccoh:
this kernel compared to adrynalyne's undervolted kernel

I am currently using Redemption 2.03 as my rom of choice, and adrynalyne's undervolted kernel where on the site it states "undervolted at every speed step".

It also states "Now, this has been heavily undervolted at lower speeds and moderately undervolted at higher speeds. "

So my question is: What does Kings BFS Kernel offer that a kernel like Adrynalyne's doesn't. Or is it comparing apples to oranges?

I'm a bit noobish on the whole HAVS thing, but sounds like it does the same thing, that is undervolt at all speeds when it can, depending on temperature, etc. also.

As of now on Adrynalyne's undervolt kernel, i havent charged my phone for 2 days and i'm at 19%. Ive watched a movie, made a couple hours worth of phone calls each day, played on the internet for a couple hours, did a few texts, etc. Sorry I do not have awake time stats, mainly because I rebooted a bit ago to backup my rom, in hopes to test out the upcoming #5 kernel.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] mikesincredible:
I have the same setup as you..i downloaded that kernel yday...are you running setcpu?
[Droid Incredible Android Development] smtom:
The potential for speed, I believe, is the King's advantage over stock, in this scenario.

I don't have the technical musculature to give a concise (or even mostly correct) 'real' answer. I think the kernels work differently. That said, if you are happy with the speed and battery performance of what you have, then cool! that's the beauty of android. Push the balloon on one part, it pushes out on another side - all with the caveat that one must consider the amount of air in the balloon, the elevation, the composition of the rubber, etc. etc.

Said another way, there's lots of different reasons folks' rigs perform differently. We could have the exact same setup, but performance may be different. I was reading elsewhere on another forum today where there's a list of DInc by manufacture date, and issues associated with that manufacture date - cameras, call quality, etc. . I'll update with that link when I find it. It was quite a surprise, if it's to be believed.

Here it is:http://androidforums.com/htc-incredible/111148-date-your-phone-manufactured-vs-problems-phone.html
[Droid Incredible Android Development] dccoh:
Yea, using setcpu. Doing a screen off profile of 128-245 Conservative and a normal speed of 128-614mhz also on conservative. I usually go interactive normally, but testing out how long battery life i can get. Interactive does make me feel snappier.

Also, when i had my screen off on 128-128 powersave (redundant i know), and my normal speed on even conservative, my phone was laggy when the phone was asleep and someone called. Just testing out different profiles. Nothing like trying out new stuff :)
[Droid Incredible Android Development] smtom:
I am, but not to overclock - only battery preservation. I have a 1750 battery.

On SetCPU's 'main' menu, I have it set as ondemand and NOT set on boot. In profiles, I have screen off @ 384/384-conservative, and battery <35% 806/460-conservative. Nothing else.

I charged it overnight while off, 2X bump charged it this morning, reset battery stats when I booted, and have 51% of battery left at the time of this writing.

No lag, no f/c, scores respectable as I'd like them to be.

hth
[Droid Incredible Android Development] dccoh:
Be interesting to see that list. I know electronics differ device to device, but never thought id see a list pointing out dates verses better device quality (camera, etc). I got my phone in July, will have to see how to find out about the build date.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] smtom:
Found it:

http://androidforums.com/htc-incredible/111148-date-your-phone-manufactured-vs-problems-phone.html
[Droid Incredible Android Development] kingklick:
New kernel is live!

:D

havs is fixed
[Droid Incredible Android Development] dccoh:
Thanks for posting the info.

I checked mine and the only complaint was someone saying the wifi widget was borked. Not game breaking at least but at least nothing glaring.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] DroidHam:
downloading #5 now :)
[Droid Incredible Android Development] jaboswell:
Awesome! About to flash it any moment now.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Stam2000:
Any idea if these will work with the Desire HD port?
[Droid Incredible Android Development] DroidHam:
Im going to try shortly
[Droid Incredible Android Development] mikesincredible:
Downloading....will run it with screen off profile, see how it goes! Thanks king
[Droid Incredible Android Development] smtom:
d/l #5 now - thanks to the King!
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Odin2347:
just flashed it now. we'll see how this goes. #4 would become extremely laggy on my phone after a few hours causing me to reboot.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] DroidHam:
Just installed the new version of the HD Port from ihftp69 with thise new #5 kernel and it went fine....
[Droid Incredible Android Development] csseale:
Just installed booted no problems...wiped dalvik and bat stats with a full bumped battery so the test is on...thanks king..u are a true blessing to the android community...just FYI.

Cory
[Droid Incredible Android Development] androidsteve:
Just downloaded, and flashed. Good test tomorrow. Wife is running a half marathon. Pictures, uploads, video, phone calls. I'll report tomorrow afternoon..thanks

Sent from my ADR6300
[Droid Incredible Android Development] JoeyBert:
I just flashed so we'll see. My battery has become very hot and it's just sitting here. I refuse to wipe batt stats. It's caused nothing but worse battery life for me
[Droid Incredible Android Development] RPaist:
Flashed successfully. Fixed choppy sound issue on my phone when using emulators.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Div033:
I have also just flashed it. I'm not going to use setcpu and shall see what happens...

I just tried adrynalyne's undervolted kernel briefly and liked what I saw, but the conservative scaling made it too laggy, would freeze on ondemand and would lag up on interactive occasionally... the battery savings seemed equal to if not potentially better than stock speed Hydra, but certainly not in the performance department.

I'm assuming this new kernel is still using the interactive governer as default? Should be interesting to see what happens after so many hours of uptime... I have a suspicion that its the interactive governed causing the lag multiple people experience, but who knows.

Sent from my Droid Incredible running SkyRaider Vanilla 3.0
[Droid Incredible Android Development] RPaist:
Doubtful, lag experienced was a result of mem-leaks.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] jaboswell:
Anyone experiencing FCs with Twitter using #5???? Never have had it happen until this kernel was loaded.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] RYANIMOSITY:
so im confused hahaha this new #5 will only work with sense roms?
[Droid Incredible Android Development] csseale:
no it will work with vanilla roms also.

....but as with anything, results vary.........

Cory
[Droid Incredible Android Development] jasonb1985:
just loaded up number 5...
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Ty07allstar:
King, which overclocked frequency yields the best battery life?
[Droid Incredible Android Development] jasonb1985:
i've been running at 1075 for a while now on the conservative governor and battery life has been good for me.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] DroidHam:
Im getting 1500+ in quadrant at stock w no setcpu.amd redemptionrom!!
[Droid Incredible Android Development] csseale:
Beat me to it....getting 1439 and 34 linpack using SR vanilla, no OC. Quiet happy with this kernel so far.

Cory

"Results may vary."
[Droid Incredible Android Development] kingklick:
thanks guys! :)

my evo is in the mail

I almost have enough to get my incredible now... the GF is ok with it now ;) (she's on verizon)
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Div033:
Noticing some weird stuff...

This is my system cpu usage for 8 hours. A little after 8pm I installed this kernel. As you can see its using 100% of the cpu when the screen is on, I'm noticing significantly less battery life but that could just be the os reporting it wrong since I never wiped the stats.

Either way this behavior is a bit odd. I was using Hydra kernel for the majority in that screenshot... Is this normal? Maybe I should wipe the dalvik cache and see if that helps...

Sent from my Droid Incredible running SkyRaider Vanilla 3.0
[Droid Incredible Android Development] intersysx:
1534 Quadrant and 34.07 Linpack with Virtuous 3.0.1 and BFS5 No SetCPU

Thanks King
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Hand76:
When you guys say no SetCpu you mean...You have it uninstalled? Not starting at boot? Or just default settings?
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Stam2000:
I don't even have it installed
[Droid Incredible Android Development] DroidHam:
Yes I uninstalled it tonight....
[Droid Incredible Android Development] 2k2s2k:
I'm getting incredible battery life so far with #5. I was sleeping most of the time so the phone wasn't really being used but after 10 hours, the phone only went down about 20%. I unistalled SetCPU before flashing the kernel.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] ToyTank:
Did you bump charge? Mine usually goes down <5% while I sleep.

If you did not bump charge though that sounds about right.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] adamant13247:
So what are you guys using for task managers? I had auto killer installed, but now I'm just using the os but not seen the battery lifer you guys are reporting! :/
[Droid Incredible Android Development] oldman_58:
Did anything in the Blue Tooth stack change, my communication with blue tooth has become very noisy and unstable, may be coincidental.

I use Bernfon's Soundgate to communicate with my hearing aids, hope today is just a fluke.

=======================================

For those interested, the issue was dampness of the Soundgate, I placed in my Hearing Aid Dryer for about 2 hours and it is working like a champ.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] oldman_58:
I don't use an auto task killer i use Estrong's Task manager, I only kill tasks if my phone acts up.

For the most part all the tasks I see are in background mode, My undrstanding in this mode the app/task is not really using system resources, probably in the list for just checking for Market updates, it is the way market works, i think.

More knowledgeable people can jump in here and clear up any Myths/urban legends I may have started.

I use Lookout and Juice Defender, I am not sure Juice defender Actually does anything, even though it touts to doubling my battery life...
[Droid Incredible Android Development] upther:
I don't use a task killer. They really aren't necessary with Android. I've got SystemPanel. It has a built in task killer but I only use it when there's a rogue app that may be causing issues.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] 2k2s2k:
No. I never charged the phone after installing the kernel. I went from about 90% to like 72% or something.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Lexus One:
Not sure what I did wrong here...but my battery % has continually declined since I installed BFS #5, and it has been on the charger the whole time. It was 100% when I installed the kernal this morning, now it is 62%. I disabled SetCPU profiles beforehand. However, I did not wipe my battery stats. Could this be what's causing this?
[Droid Incredible Android Development] terribL_T:
Virtuous 3.0.1 with bfs 5 and my battery dropped 60% in 2hrs....streaming nfl redzone. Muhahaa

Eta: I didn't wipe battery stats. I wiped both cache partition and davlik. Also screen brightness was at 100%
[Droid Incredible Android Development] androidsteve:
I ran several tests using quadrant/linpack, with/without setcpu. Here is what I came up with. I did about 4 test each. This is the highest score.

With setcpu:

linpack/39.17

Quadrant/1613

Without setcpu:

Linpack/39.19

Quadrant/1663

Seems pretty close as far as performance goes, which is good.

Sent from my ADR6300
[Droid Incredible Android Development] SLOflatlander:
for all the people responding to that auto killer question, auto killer is not like using a standard task killer set to auto kill apps. its more of an app tweaking the android system's preferences than it is an actual task killer (ie its not used to kill off task at the press of a button or every 10 minutes or whatever). Using task killers such as atk is kinda know to be not very beneficial to battery life, but auto killer is different in that regard. i use auto killer set to optimum with no set cpu installed, and i get pretty good battery life.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] smtom:
Been using/testing King's #5 since it was made public. VERY pleased with all-around performance.

HAVS definitely seems fixed ~ for me, battery life on my 1750 battery is spectacular compared prior Kings Kernels,

and

I am yet to encounter the lag, f/c, or other sluggishness I've had w/ King's other kernels.

For testing and sanity, I leave GPS, BT, & WiFi on all the time, and keep brightness @ 100% - trying to break it - it doesn't flinch.

For me, unless the performance changes and lag and/or f/c reappear like in other kk's, this one's a keeper. It's extremely fast as well, which is all the better!

ONLY part of SetCPU I am using on this one is to o/c - set to 1152, interactive. No other profiles or anything else.

Nicely done King!
[Droid Incredible Android Development] REYES702:
I am at 19:45 up time 4:50 awake time with 22% battery life. I disabled all profiles in setcpu and I am currently overclocking to 1075. Seems pretty decent.

EDIT: My quadrant scores are 1300 to high 1500s pretty consistently.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] brentslim:
Heres my stats for today. Factory battery and no setcpu. The up time was alot streaming video, web searching and texts.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] REYES702:
Seems kind of low awake time. I just let mine die to 1% and it was like 22+ hours and 6hrs of awake time. Not bad but would prefer more.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] alexdeluxe:
Current at 76% with 7.5 hours of awake and a little over 1 hour of awake time...mostly playing fruit ninja. #5 is great!
[Droid Incredible Android Development] upther:
I'm using BFS #5 and I'm at just over 13 hours of up time with 4:47 awake time and 28% battery left. mostly happy with that seeing as how I spent a lot of time at the beach today and that kills my signal and battery.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Colomonster:
THANKS KING! Allways Pulling Thru with the ill nanni nanni
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Nomsy79:
LMAO....the ill nanni nanni
[Droid Incredible Android Development] brentslim:
Yeah..ill no more tomorrow when i go to work, cause i use it a steady 6 hours awake of heavy use and normally its dead..Ill keep everybody posted. That was just me Bsing around the house.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Alazka:
Using #5: bump charge,

23:51 uptime , 3:15 awake, 32 % battery left

set cpu :stock speed, screen off profile 384/768

stock 1300 mah

this ones a keeper for me
[Droid Incredible Android Development] roborob1969:
link down?

Anyone have a mirror site for #5 download? Link on first page is down right now :(
[Droid Incredible Android Development] DroidHam:
Quadrant speeds of ~1400-1500 constant!

Great battery life!!

No SetCPU, No Overclocking....

RedemptionRom 2.0.4 and KxK #5 is awesome!
[Droid Incredible Android Development] rugbydroid:
I'm looking for a mirror as well. Looks like KingKlick's website is down.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] fliptwister:
I'm loving #5. Best kernel yet. I'm running with Virtuous 3.0.1 and it is great combo. Battery life is much improved. Thanks King!
[Droid Incredible Android Development] wowthatisrandom:
here ya go

http://rapidshare.com/files/421659532/KiNgxKernel-Inc-5-BFS330-2.6.32.15-Flashable.zip
[Droid Incredible Android Development] rugbydroid:
Thank you!
[Droid Incredible Android Development] roborob1969:
You rock! Thanks :D
[Droid Incredible Android Development] andrewzpsu:
My quadrant scores dropped dramatically with the BFS 5 as opposed to BFS 4.

BFS 4 was doing 1300-1500

BFS 5 is doing 850-1250.

Back to BFS 4 and everythings back up to speed.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] jbh00jh:
What are the best settings for more battery life ? ? :)
[Droid Incredible Android Development] bast525:
Still having the same problem on number 5, after about a full day, suddenly the phone response becomes very bad, open system panel and sure enough, CPU is pegged at 100% load and max speed. Open setcpu and it goes back to normal, until the next time I bring the phone out of sleep. Then it slows to a crawl again. This is on the official ota
[Droid Incredible Android Development] smtom:
No settings at all.

King recommends no SetCPU, particularly for screen off/sleep settings. His guidance earlier in this thread is if using SetCPU at all, only use it to o/c so the technology of the #5 kernel can do it's thing, which is to save battery.

That said, I have gotten superior battery life out of #5 just letting it run. For giggles I'll o/c it now and again just to squeal the tires; otherwise, I'm getting 1.5 days out of a single charge on my 1750 battery.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] adamant13247:
I've been using juice defender and auto killer (optimum) and it's been saving a lot of battery! You should give it a try!
[Droid Incredible Android Development] smtom:
I read elsewhere in this or other threads that these kernels get wonky when synching things - do you notice synching running a long time in your tray? Are you synching a lot of things? Just wondering.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] jbh00jh:
Thanks guys , for the advice and opinions . :)