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[Nexus One General] grainysand:
Now that you mention it--it's worth using SetCPU to drop clock speed when temperature reaches a certain point. Mine is set to underclock to half the normal frequency at around 42C. Yeah, the phone will slow down, but better slowed down than fried.
[Nexus One General] dany74q:
I`m throwing a quick idea here , did you try to change your kernel ? are you with a tweaked one right now ?

As I see it - the phone will not reboot from overheating (As I have no such experience , and I live in a very hot area) , rather than low voltage that make it unstable .
[Nexus One General] nomad4ever:
Get an HTC Legend instead of a Winmo dinosaur. The Legend is the most overlooked Android device with the least forum activity here. But that's simply because it works how it should. I never had a forced reboot or overheating issue in the 4 months I own it and I live in Bali directly at the equator. It IS fcking hot here every day by nature.

I come from 10 years Winmo (starting with the Philips Velo on CE, several SPV and ETEN) and there is not one topic, where Winmo can reach its water to my Legend.
[Nexus One General] McHale:
So the multiple threads and all the posts on Google's support forums are all a plant from Engadget? Crafty. VERY crafty those Engadget guys.

As far as WinMo, I guess if you had issues, I could understand that. But I have been in the WinMo game since the first Windows CE PDA and the first windows Mobile Phone (HTC Canary). I actually know what I'm doing so I never had those problems. I can understand that a lot of XDA users are now kids who text, watch torrented movies, and play games, but some of us actually work for a living and depend on productivity features. Newsflash: Android is a long ways from getting where Windows Mobile was 10 years ago in that department. Android is a joke or a toy to business users. When the HTC Wizard was my primary device, I received a call from my boss while I was on vacation with no computer. I had to write a document in word format and create an excel spreadsheet in just a couple hours for a presentation he was giving and email it to him. Good luck doing that today with any Android device.

Android is a good OS and all the momentum is certainly in their favor. But until they cater to business users (like Apple did with iOS 2), Blackberry will continue to dominate the business market. And that's where the real money is.
[Nexus One General] McHale:
The two big comparisons where WinMo beats Android for me:

Android's native email handling is behind every other smartphone OS. HTC doesn't use it for a reason and wrote their own. Your Legend has the benefit of custom apps that replace Google's suck.

Android still has no native Office compatible productivity apps.
[Nexus One General] nomad4ever:
Changing the subject from overheating and GPS issues due to a faulty phone to the handling of business features like .doc and .xls documents?

Even if you didn't want to be a troll initially, you seem like one now. ;-)
[Nexus One General] msavic6:
But still Android is only 18 months old and all these other operating systems are all 4 years and older. Google had to prioritize what they were going to improve first and to them there is more Regular users then business users, Even in android 2.2 they improved exchange support which means its improving, They may not be leaping ahead but they are gradually improving everything for all users.
[Nexus One General] Tachyon_1:
Not a troll?

So you took your phone, modified it from stock, and are now blaming the phone. Next you talk about how you are going back to another phone OS. Finally you claim this isn't a troll. Hmmmm

Let me tell you about a little trick I learned about when dealing with private sales (eg. Ebay)

When the seller goes out of his way to tell you something for no apparent reason, its probably a lie.

For example, a used car ad that says " no accidents" probably has been in an accident.

So when you say " this is not a troll" and then spew some knee jerk reaction to a problem no one else has, I'm thinking troll.

Besides, no one other than a troll would go back to winmo after using Android. You'd get a different Android phone from a different manufacturer.

That said, factory reset your N1, if that fixes it, it's a software problem. If not, its faulty or damaged hardware and you needed to reset anyway to get warranty repairs.
[Nexus One General] grainysand:
Not to mention that, hey, there's "an app for that." Docs to Go, Quickoffice Mobile Suite, just to name two.
[Nexus One General] SeEsAw12:
This is a hardware issue, obviously. It has LESS to do with the OS than you make it seem.

Unless you have a faulty ROM or Kernel, it's the hardware. No reason to leave Android because of this. Drama queen...

I myself haven't had this, scratch that, any problems and I bought my Nexus through craigslist with some dings on the shell.

If e-mail is that important to you go with RIM, they e-mail client is the best.

We'll stay with Android and our OKAY e-mail client which will only get better and better...

Android 3.0 will change the world as we know it.
[Nexus One General] Mokurex:
Yep, definitely defective. Because if it's not, I don't know what the hell you're doing with your phone. I have the phone for 3 months and have zero problem with it.
[Nexus One General] xManMythLegend:
Yeah ok. So WinMo isnt a problem because "you know what youre doing" yet you throw the blanket blame on Android.

Puff your chest all you want aint a damn thing your doing on your phone that thousands of others in this forum arent doing as well. If youve been around that long youd be smart enough to figure out the problem is likely a bad unit or the knucklehead holding the phone.

At this point the things WinMo has over Android is miniscule. Your point about the money is borderline retarded. Apple skyrocketed because it avoided the white stiff windows 95 looking UI and OS approach. I guess they should be aching for money.:rolleyes:

As for the engadget thing...are you dense ?

Re-read what I said so you have a clue.

Your just another whiny turd proclaiming hes leaving android like anyone gives a flying fudge. Just go to WinMo and stfu.
[Nexus One General] Jack_R1:
People, why does it need to turn into a bashing thread? I know the title is asking for it, but the guy is dealing with a real problem, though he attributed the problem to something other than its real source. He's waiting for the new battery to test, so this thread can wait too..
[Nexus One General] xManMythLegend:
You answered your own question.

Hes been around long enough to know how idiotic this kind of trolling/whining is.

If people are willing to help him when hes being a tard people will be far more willing if he actually knew how to post properly.
[Nexus One General] khaytsus:
Wait, what??

If you use Exchange, that works fine. If you use IMAP or POP, K9 Mail works awesome. Contacts and Calendar JUST WORK, zero fuss.

This is getting more and more fanboi.. :(
[Nexus One General] peliROJO:
I want to kick this guy in the nards. Anybody with a brain would hard reset, test, then call HTC for warranty repair, because when you're stock software and rebooting is spontaneous then it is almost always hardware.

Google 'nexus one rebooting' - first hit, first response says call HTC, not post on XDA.

Punt this troll out of here!
[Nexus One General] :
The email apps somehow neglectes to include a "move" option as well as an "undelete".

That's preposterous.
[Nexus One General] :
answer the phone call. end the phone call. open the android market. download documents to go. start documents to go. select create new word document. type document. save the document. repeat last 4 steps choosing excel for step 2 instead. open gmail app. select compose new. attach saved documents. fill out to and subject section. tap send. Done:)
[Nexus One General] McHale:
I'm running bone stock FRF91 (stock bootloader, stock OS). The only modification is unlocking the boot loader so I could uninstall stock apps (twitter and genie widget for example) that were sucking down battery and/or taking unnecessary bandwidth as a result of the overheating. The issue started immediately after the FRF91 OTA which is what prompted me to unlock the bootloader.

And I'm not yet convinced that FRF91 isn't the cause of the issue since I and many others never had this issue until the FROYO OTA. An unstable OS doesn't thrill me. AGAIN, Windows Mobile was stable as hell for me and all of the things I needed to work, WORKED. True, not a lot of OS updates and there weren't a whole lot of apps or widgets, but neither of those are important to me. Having a device that allows me to do what it's supposed to do without FC's or frequently rebooting is.

For all of the Android fanboys in this thread, it's sad to see the bashing of Windows Mobile just to bash Windows Mobile. The N1 was my first Android device (thanks again AT&T) and it was Google's flagship device. If their flagship device with their latest OS is this unstable for me and the many others that have it, I'm certainly not impressed enough to buy a 2nd. I wasn't impressed with eclair and I'm still not overly impressed with froyo.
[Nexus One General] McHale:
unless it's a buggy OS. AGAIN, never had a single reboot until the very minute I got the 2.2 OTA. And since having the problem, I have hard reset, cleared user cache, and then started uninstalling apps. I'd say I got the troubleshooting down there chief.

That doesn't scream out hardware issue to me. Google support forums are riddled with many people with the exact same scenario. Since you're too lazy to look, I did it for you. Here's an example of why sending it in for repair or getting a swap isn't a great idea as well as just a couple threads with other with the same issue:

http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/android/thread?tid=132153a74c4d4574&hl=en

http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/android/thread?tid=4387f2271b98768b&hl=en&start=80

http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/android/thread?tid=58a8d776b11951ac&hl=en

So, others have the problem and when they sent their phones in for repair or got a replacement, they still had the problem.

Sorry guys, I'm just not convinced it's hardware yet...
[Nexus One General] itrustme:
Whoa. whoever thinks the nexus one is bad phone I'll buy it from you for $250 cash right now. That's the best phone out. I have a vibrant , an iPhone 4 and a nexus. I sold the iPhone(great phone but I personally think android stomps apple os) and the vibrant just stays on my desk charging. For some reason I always come back to my n1. I'm not sure what it is but the phone is just right. I love this thing. It might b the plain froyo. Right now I'm running cm6 RC 3 and I'm loving it. (Sounds like a McDonald's ad)
[Nexus One General] McHale:
God forbid you have subfolders and want them displayed properly (It freaking alphabetizes all of them). And don't even thing about syncing any email in those subfolders automatically don't see any reason to read any of *that* email.

And out of curiosity, why the hell is there a GMail app *AND* an EMail app? That's just poor OS/app design.
[Nexus One General] McHale:
If you don't mind having my name and email address engraved on the back, we may have a deal. I'll have a 2nd battery here in a few days to throw in as well as a desk charger.
[Nexus One General] bigmout:
I feel your frustration, McHale, but I don't follow your logic. At all.

You don't want to replace the phone because it's engraved, yet you're willing to sell it? This seems like such a no-brainer to me. Try a new phone before you abandon the platform completely.

BTW, I'll bet it's Exchange that's sucking your battery. My battery life increased dramatically when I deleted an Exchange account I'd been using.
[Nexus One General] ChronoReverse:
If you think 2.2 is causing your problems and 2.1 never had these issues, why not just go back to 2.1? Is there something in 2.2 you needed?
[Nexus One General] antoniouslj:
I would imagine the even worse exhange support that's in 2.1 is what's keeping him from going back to it.

I can understand his frustration, but trashing the functionality and lack of native apps shouldn't be where your arguments need to be aimed at.

DocumentsToGo and Touchdown are FANTASTIC office and exhange suites... Yes, they cost some money, but I'd gladly pay that to have the functionality of winmo on android anyday.

I get occasional force reboots, but they all seem to be related to the rom/kernel. I also had them more when using stock roms or variants of the stock rom. With CM6, my phone has been the most stable since 2.1.
[Nexus One General] peliROJO:
I don't think those posts are any good. They sound like you, actually. My suggestion stands: Do your battery swap. Hard reset your Nexus. Don't install or uninstall any applications. Use your phone's default applications (i.e. Maps, Browser, Calls, etc.) If it reboots then have HTC warranty the phone. I'm no fanboi, I'm on my fifth Nexus replacement, but what you're describing sounds hardware related. Not OS.
[Nexus One General] McHale:
For the record, I'm not bashing Android as much as it seems I am. I never meant I was abandoning the platform for ever, I was just going back to Windows Mobile as my primary device and no longer relying on the Nexus One (or Android) as anything more than a test device until things improved. I think in a couple year's time Android's going to be a no question, de facto standard for any phone that does more than make phone calls. The nerd community has already embraced it and the tools and utilities (as well as apps and widgits) are growing in leaps and bounds. Verizon's add campaign has really helped bring it out of the nerd-light and into the mainstream.

For the business user however, 2.1 was painful. It really was. 2.2 is better (because of improved Exchange support) and Gingerbread will be better still. Microsoft dropped the ball with Windows Mobile years ago with their lack of innovation or new features. Had it not been for HTC, Windows Mobile wouldn't have had the success they did since 6.0 was released. So my hopes are not very high that Microsoft will dominate the smartphone market. They will have a presence that will appeal to Exchange customers and that may be enough for them.

As far as the Nexus One, I do hate reading about so many people getting multiple replacements. I've read countless posts that the "new" one they got was worse than the old one. Having owned and worked with several dozen HTC devices with zero issues, it's hard to believe that they would have such a QC issue. Tack on that my problems didn't start until the day I got the 2.2 update and you'll see why I'm hesitant to go through the hassle of replacement just to get to the same point.

If the new battery doesn't fix the issue, my next step is to put 2.1 on just to test if I can reproduce the issue as easily as I can with 2.2. If 2.1 works OK, I'll try 2.2 again. After that, I'll try CM6 (regardless). I think at this point it's possible something is corrupt somewhere as much as it's possible that it's a hardware issue. I haven't ruled all of the SW issues yet. I'll do that before sending the hardware in.
[Nexus One General] player911:
I've been a WinMo user since the early days (Toshiba e740 w/ PocketPC 2002). I've cooked up plenty of my own WinMo roms and hacking.

You have a defective unit.

I highly doubt a battery is the cause. I left my nexus in my car for hours in direct sunlight. It was SO hot I couldn't even hold it... yet I managed to get it in my car dock and used the GPS no problem. I think you have a problem with a circuit from your radios causing a reboot. Bluetooth, GPS, Cellular? Seems to be an obvious pattern that isn't specific to one service or application.... only leaving hardware failure to blame.

You have a defective unit.
[Nexus One General] SeEsAw12:
God forbid we have 2 e-mail apps! Jesus, what ever will I do!?!? It's not like I can place them somewhere on my phone so that I can conveniently reach them both!

Windows Mobile is on it's 6.x version...

Android OS is on it's 2.x...

Please let's be fair and compare Pocket PC 2002 with Android 2.2, let's see how well this turns out... anyone up for a video comparison?

The e-mail app isn't the greatest but there's TONS of alternatives on Android, if this is the reason you want to bail on Android for now, then go ahead.

But to say WinMo is better than Android... lol

That's why they have an entire section based on Android on the HD2 forums that keeps getting more views than the HD2 WinMo ROM Development.
[Nexus One General] nexusdue:
Hi McHale.

Good to see you over here in the android phone section. I very much feel for your problems and as a long-time WinMo user I totally agree with all the points you make. Android is a great platform with a lot of potential but some basic functionality just plain sucks (and the email experience on android is one of the worst things about android - no copy and paste in emails? WTF??!?!?!?!?!).

Another problem with android is that google keeps throwing in new features without addressing some issues that have existed since version 1!

Your phone problems do sound like a hardware issue though!

As nice as the nexus one looks and as nice as the spec sheet might make it sound - quality control at HTC must be atrocious!!! I am on my third replacement! Even now I am tempted to request another replacement since my current phone has the pink screen problem.

Customer services at HTC is great and if you do a swap, you have a phone in no time. If I were you, I would test the new phone for 1-2 days before sending your old one back - the new one might have worse issues than the old phone ... it happened to me.

Just keep going through the replacements until you find one that is rock stable.

The android shortcomings ... well, I wish there was a fix for that. At least 2.2 fixed some of major exchange problems.
[Nexus One General] McHale:
Yah, 2.2 is much better than 2.1. I'm pretty happy with Android with the exception of Email and little things here and there. If indeed it's a hardware issue, I can't blame Android.

REALLY hoping it's not hardware. REALLY REALLY hoping.

I've been off WinMo since March now. It'll be interesting to see what I think about it after using Android for several months (when I send my phone in for repair). I'm keeping my current device since I don't want an LCD screen and it's in pristine condition (except the rebooting when I use BT/WiFi/ or GPS).

I'll keep updating this thread as I test. 2.1 vs. 2.2. Old vs. New battery. New repair etc.

Thanks guys. All helpful. If it's Froyo causing the reboots, my comments are still valid for me. If it's hardware, well... crap. Based on the comments in this thread alone, the N1 is plagued with HW issues. I wonder if the Desire also has the same issues. I may just sit tight until the 1.5 Ghz processors hit and get a new one then.

-Mc
[Nexus One General] Silverexp:
Well, just coming from wm to android, it’s been a more stable platform for me. The email & calendar still need more maturing, especially with Exchange. My Nexus has never rebooted on it’s own. I’ve only rebooted it when going crazy try new apps. GPS has worked fine. The only major issue has been if wifi is left on or if you use an app that polls wifi randomly, it’s interfered with my BT audio. If you’re getting an overheating issue, I would suspect either the battery, charging jack on phone, or charger.

Sorry haven’t read whole thread, I have Exchange set at 30-min poll, battery life is average. I changed mine to Push and let see what effect that will have on me.
[Nexus One General] rickytenzer:
Don't know how many people need to confirm it for you. It's hardware. No question about it. I experienced the EXACT same problems. GPS: phone would reboot. Phone calls: phone would reboot. Data usage: phone would reboot. Stock: phone would reboot.

IT'S HARDWARE. Stop praying and send your phone in. They'll be glad to repair it for free.
[Nexus One General] McHale:
Sometime ago, someone did an article on how PUSH email saved battery life than polling. I'm also set at 30 mins for all of my email accounts.

One thing I noticed from WinMo to Android was how much data consumption went up. I was less than 100 megs on WinMo and up to 500 megs on Android with nothing really being added. Of course, web browsing increased since Android's browser works and WinMo's doesn't. So I started to investigate. You know those apps that they say aren't running so don't worry about closing them? Some of them have very steady data consumption whether you use them or not. So I removed them. Helped with battery and with data consumption.

Under 2.1, I don't believe my N1 ever rebooted either which is why when it started doing it on 2.2 I assumed it was the OS. In fact, I read about the problem before I got the OTA and almost didn't update because of it. One way o another, I will find out what the definitive cause is. I hate just knowing something is all of a sudden working properly without knowing why it wasn't in the first place. If it happens again, I need to be prepared.

With Android, I will say that I don't ever restart my phone manually. On WinMo, I was in the habit of doing it every morning and I had very little problems. I also didn't run hardly any apps which could also be why it ran smoothly for me. I basically just did Exchange - email, contacts, calendar.

-Mc
[Nexus One General] nomad4ever:
I think besides your other problems you obviously also have a problem reading. Most people who answered you here have a longstanding history with WinMo.

To say the bashing WinMo for the sake of bashing is your biggest joke yet, coz that's what you do with Android.

Everyone here offered you helpful advice for your countless reasons of bashing Android.

But you are jumping from topic to topic like a kangaroo or like the troll you are. Period.
[Nexus One General] McHale:
UPDATE:

Last night I held a phone call (using bluetooth) for about an hour and the phone was quite hot (much hotter than when it was rebooting before with GPS running) so it looks like it's not a heat issue. In fact, the problem really surrounds around using the GPS.

Today I updated the radio to the Korean 5.08.00.04 to see if it made any difference with the radio. Regardless, I will say that my reception has greatly improved. I used to get little to no service in my office at work and I now have 3 bars of 3G.

Will report after my 30 minute GPS/phone call ride home tonight. If I can make it home using GPS and Bluetooth without rebooting, it's fixed.

-Mc
[Nexus One General] bigmout:
What's really ironic about this is that my Nexus One has never spontaneously rebooted, while my Tilt (WinMo) did so constantly.
[Nexus One General] McHale:
About 15 minutes ago, my phone just started rebooting over and over non stop. I re-flashed 4.06 back on and it's back to normal. Which may confirm it's an issue with the radio since all my issues stem from using GPS or WiFi or BT. If not using those, my phone is pretty solid.

-sigh-

Just waiting for the new battery now.

-Mc
[Nexus One General] caysman:
Mchale why can't you just accept that you got crap luck and your phone is screwed or your firmware is dead? Or have you reset your dalvik cache to eliminate the chance that it is corrupted?

Tons of us are not accepting morons. We have sterling user experiences.

And the conclusion you made that the n1 is generally plagued with hardware issues is unsupported by anything save your weird sense of pride.
[Nexus One General] rickytenzer:
Lol

IT'S HARDWARE! The battery isn't going to do anything. Start the support ticket with HTC already and save yourself a few days of waiting.

I don't understand your stubbornness!
[Nexus One General] msavic6:
I also don't understand why in an earlier post he was hoping it wasn't a hardware issue. If it is a hardware issue it will be replaced by HTC and it's over with. I'm thinking he wants the software to have a fault.
[Nexus One General] ctbear:
He said something like his phone is engraved so he would not accept a replacement.

I can understand the frustration to send a phone back for repair (i.e. without the phone for a while)