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[Droid X General] ksizzle9:
Both phones do have a huge advantage over te snapdragon powered phones in that they have a whole separate GPU. The TI and hummingbird are basically equal as far as CPU'S te SGS maily pulls ahead bc of te GPU. However, not to slam the HTC phones but both the X and SGS have far superior CPU's compared to snapdragon. I will def say that the build quality of te motorola droid series are second to none. Mostly metal as well they come with guerrilla glass which is much stronger than normal glass found in cell phones. Also when we get the ability on the x i believe that the OC ability will be greater on the x if they original droid says anything about the processors ability. The D1 could have its stock clock speed almost tripled, not to say that the hummingbird cant be done that way either. Te snapdragon is a good CPU as far as application processing goes but doesn't hold a bar to the hummingbird or TI OMAP overall. It really all comes down to user choice. Motorola has shown strong support for the droid series bc the droid 1 has has 3 os upgrades (2.01, 2.1, 2.2) so i think they will continue to support there phones strongly. Good luck in ur choice!!

sent from Shawn Micheals...The heartbreak Kid
[Droid X General] Big Dawg 23:
It comes down to what you like. I have the Droid X and Droix 1. My Droid was fast but the Droid X speed is amazing. As for the Sanding Galaxy S series they are great phones. A coworker has the T-mo version the Vibrant.

I do think it looks like the iPhone. When my coworker brought it I thought she had moved to Att. The phone seems no faster than my Droid X or even Droid 1. However the SuperAmoled screen is definitely crisper and more Vibrant.
[Droid X General] exempli_gratia:
Is the text crisper? I thought SAMOLED's sub-pixel matrix left a slight color halo around sharp edges, like text (they compensate with beyer color contrast).
[Droid X General] freelo123:
Thank you all guys' advises. I do love DROIDX and i believe there is no difference between two good devices. Droid X can run all the apps smoothly just like what I9000 can do. 540 is much better than 530 in data but there is a small gap in actual use.

I'm really disappointed in mto who just put efuse and 530 in droidx..:(
[Droid X General] DivinityCycle:
The eFuse so far has not been an issue at all. What makes you think it will become one?

-EDIT for clarity-

What I mean is, the eFuse is not some sort of "OMG you cannot mod this phone because it will brick itself forever!" kind of scenario. Its simply got a locked boot loader, so it will take a bit longer for it to be hacked and for smart people to figure out a way around that. We have root and we have SBF, and the two together gives you the ability to modify just about anything on the DroidX and fix it if you "break" it. So, whats the big deal?
[Droid X General] gerelee:
i have the droid x and the samsung vibrant.....both are really nice phones.

the vibrant screen is more...well.....'vibrant', and i actually prefer it to the droid x screen but mine has a bluish tint when brightness is set to low levels.

the vibrant actually has MORE lag than the droid x, especially when opening and closing apps. it's not something you notice on all apps, but sometimes it's ridiculous, especially considering the 'horsepower' of the vibrant. as far as games go, i really don't notice the difference between the two, other than the fact that the vibrant is much more colorful.

yes, the vibrant looks a lot like my iphone 2g. whether that's bad or good is up to you.

the droid x feels MUCH more solidly built and my vibrant already has a minor 'squeak' or two....nothing major though.

for myself, the droid x screen is a bit more visible in direct sunlight.

MOST importantly, verizon has MUCH better coverage where i live now. i spent the weekend out of the city and my vibrant had ZERO signal....makes the choice between the two easier :)
[Droid X General] freelo123:
That's really a nice advise for me. I do love Droid X so so much. Droid X was so cool when i just saw him at the first time. To be honest i dont love the appearance of i9000. So i think i've had the decision.
[Droid X General] gerelee:
i don't think you can go wrong with either choice though it looks like you've settled on the droid x. i hope you enjoy it :)
[Droid X General] exempli_gratia:
I think the boot loader/eFuse issue will become more apparent when we get to gingerbread and beyond. Who knows how long or how speedily Moto will support the X. at least with the Galaxy S's you'll have other options.

Regarding the faster app startup on the X, I think it has faster access memory. At lest it send that way.
[Droid X General] gTen:
No it doesn't..the Vibrant as is has a bug in the I/O and the RFS system..the community already made a workaround to get it working properly...it gets 2200+ quadrant scores as well with the fix running 2.1 lol

Either way the lag is fixed once you do that I/O fix...my guess is samsung will release an official fix for the I/O as well...
[Droid X General] tbaker077:
How does TouchWiz 3.0 compare to nijablur?

I would think Froyo 2.2 should see a larger improvement on the Galaxy S compared to Droid X going from 2.1 to 2.2.
[Droid X General] gTen:
You gotta judge that for yourself..personally I like Touchwiz 3.0 better then sense and motoblur....but thats my personal opinion...some people hate on Touchwiz 3.0 because they don't realize its completely different then the previous Touchwiz...best way is to try it yourself since everyone has their preferences. Most of the hate so far for Touchwiz 3.0 was the "iphonish" look rather then anything else lol

As for improvement, I hope so..with the I/O fix the I9000 gets a 2200+ Quadrant score running 2.1...now Imagine running froyo?!?!? If it hits 5000 I'd wet my pants lol
[Droid X General] Enndr:
Its been coming out from multiple sources that this is only because a partitioning tweak being done for the most part. Not saying it isn't a nice phone but comeon. You get one benchmark and all of a sudden its pants wetting time? The Droid X and the Samsung are pretty much right next to each other in real performance.
[Droid X General] gTen:
I said if the Galaxy S hits 5000 quadrant score with Froyo then its pants wetting time...

The Droid X is a nice phone yes..BUT the specs on the Galaxy S is a lot higher.

1ghz OMAP(Droid X) < 1ghz Hummingbird(Galaxy S)

SGX530(Droid X) < SGX540(Galaxy S)

SGX530 (13 MPolys/s, 500Mpx/s@200MHz) for the handheld mobile market

SGX535 (28 MPolys/s, 500Mpx/s@200MHz) - http://www.imgtec.com/partners/NEC.asp http://www2.renesas.com/news/en/archive/0710/0201.html (Intel calls it the GMA 500)

SGX540 (90 MPolys/s, 1Gpx/s@200MHz, Max Memory Band (GB/s) 4.2GB/s) for handheld high end mobile, portable, MID, UMPC, consumer, and automotive devices

Even the iPhone 4 has a SGX535 which is 2x better gpu then whats in a Droid X...the GPU in the Galaxy S though is sick..it pretty much is better then a PS2 ...
[Droid X General] Mikerrrrrrrr:
What apps besides a handful of intensive 3D games use the GPU?
[Droid X General] gTen:
Games, Flash and Video...and once the Gingerbread comes out the whole OS.
[Droid X General] gerelee:
none of us will care by then, as we will have moved on to the next 'hot' phone, lol!
[Droid X General] gTen:
Gingerbread is gonna come out this fall...but performance wise the Galaxy S is actually pretty good...The Galaxy S is pretty much 3x more powerful then an EVO...so I can easily see it lasting at least a year...if anything will bottleneck this phone for future is the 512mb ram...or if dual cores are implemented will enable better multithreading..but these features will take time to implement...

This is why the Galaxy S is pretty much the best it can get in the specs given and should last at least a year.
[Droid X General] gerelee:
unfortunately 'specs' aren't everything......i use my droid x more than my vibrant though i prefer the screen of the vibrant. sometimes the vibrant has unbelievable 'lag' when closing apps or even moving between screens, and yes, i know of the lag 'fix'....haven't rooted the vibrant and may not even keep it because of the wonky gps and compass.
[Droid X General] gTen:
I'm not disagreeing..I was just explaining the difference in specs..in the future these issues will most likely be fixed but its possible they may not. Nothing is perfect and everyone has their preferences.

But as far as specs the Galaxy S is way ahead..and it is not surprising...considering that samsung cheats >.> lol...Inside the Galaxy S, most if not all the components are made by samsung or their affiliates (who they have investments with)..this means that unlike motorola who has to pay the middleman fees to TI for the OMAP and etc Samsung just pays the raw manufacturing fees..this allows them to get access to better hardware for cheaper prices..
[Droid X General] shaneaus:
I agree with the above considering the SGS device. I had a Captivate for three weeks. Turned it in to ATT and departed ATT for Verizon and got the DroidX.

The DroidX is much faster - the lag on the SGS was incredible!

The only thing I liked better about the SGS than the DroidX was the screen. But, the larger screen size of the DroidX is much preferable considering using my device as a phone is the least I do with it.
[Droid X General] gTen:
The lag is a software issue not a hardware issue..we already have a fix for it...not to mention Droid X at the moment has Froyo which makes it more snappier.
[Droid X General] Enndr:
wrong again. Droid X is running 2.1 update 1 until at least September. Get out.
[Droid X General] ksizzle9:
Yeah gten must have a SGS cuz he is givin sanding some pretty good head in what he writes. Better swallow all of it. Te point about te lag fix is that u have to have one. Out of the box,or factory whatever u call it, it is slower, and when we get full access we will b rockin the **** on the x. The main thing that phone has over the x is the GPU, And let's get real, we bought a phone, not a freakin playstation.

sent from Shawn Micheals...The heartbreak Kid
[Droid X General] gTen:
Ok that is my mistake..Droid X doesn't have Froyo yet.. the Droid 2 does...I guess I assumed it would have gotten it once the Droid 2 came out...why Get out? I thought this was a public forum...am I mistaken?

@ksizzle9 - Actually my phone is a touch pro 2...but I have played with both devices for a decent amount of time and have done A LOT of research about devices available...Yes the GPU is better on the SGS but so is the CPU. But both CPU's are a lot better then the crappy snapdragon one lol...As for the lag fix, my guess is by the time the Fascinate comes out they will already have a fix for it...if not then, then in Froyo update.
[Droid X General] ksizzle9:
Fair enough. Didn't want no trolling. Actually in any articles that u read it will say that as far as strictly CPU that lmao and hummingbird are practically equal. GPU different story. Its all good tho.

sent from Shawn Micheals...The heartbreak Kid
[Droid X General] ishydroid:
Nobody mentioning the atrocious gps on the vibrant? Mine is going back tomorrow..... The lag gets worse with time imo, reboot daily The gps is complete trash, no official fix yet is ridiculous. How does that turn around samsung's rep with updates?

The screen however is hands down the best out. A little too bright in the middle of the night and the didst touch buttons don't stay on very long, still the screen is pure sex.
[Droid X General] evilkal:
There's a gps fix too i think...
[Droid X General] shaneaus:
We're getting off topic - but, the "fix" that I explored a LOT with the Captivate - is just a "bandaid" on the software. The REAL fix for the SGS GPS will have to do with the firmware - and, that has not come about yet.

I use Google navigation/maps a lot - the SGS Captivate just couldn't cut it - very inaccurate -with or without the fix - anytime one was moving.

DX seems to work pretty good. I just used the technique in this post to clock the CPR up to 1.125 and under volt it.

So, now my scaling is between 300 and 1.125 with the vsel between 28 and 52. The stock was 1.0 @ 66.

So, it appears to be marginally more snappy and I should see much more battery time.

Some on that thread were complaining about not being able to clock the CPU much higher... I think that Moto just did their homework this time and they have it clocked to the best of their hardware already. That is why we can't set much higher clock speeds. although, that is just conjecture on my part.

Back on topic - Both my wife and I are MUCH happier with the DX's than we were with the SGS Captivate devices.
[Droid X General] gerelee:
i mentioned the gps a few posts above yours....i like the vibrant screen more than the Dx and the size also fits my hand better than the Dx, but, the keyboard is far better on the Dx and the larger screen is easier on my eyes than the vibrants......they are both good with their own strengths and weaknesses......tough choice, but made easier since i have NO 3g with tmobile where i now live and when i go a bit outside the city, i have NO tmobile coverage at all, not even AT&T roaming :(
[Droid X General] refuse2bstopped:
And by THAT time, more than likely the next generation of "DROID DOES" will be being introduced. lol Man I tell ya, these phone wars and cat fights over customers for business is getting INSANE!!!! But we benefit as customers I guess. Either way, I'll be sticking with my Droid X for at least a year (I think) lol:D
[Droid X General] Enndr:
You're right. It is getting real crazy. Keeping up isnt really possible anymore, lol.

There will be something double fast before you know it. Crazy times in the micro computing world.
[Droid Eris General] Excessiveidling:
Just curious about people's general view of which is better? I rarely see any roms with launcher pro instead usually use adw...is there a reason for this?
[Droid Eris General] orkillakilla:
I personally like launcherpro better. It has all the features adw has (minus themes) and i find it faster. Just my opinion.

Sent from my leaked rooted HTC Droid Eris with Sense-Able 3.1 using Swype
[Droid Eris General] 8on3s:
I'm using Tazz's froyo build it uses ADW as default. I have grown to like it, before while I had 2.1 I was always running Launcher PRO. They both have there plusses but Launcher Pro is the king.
[Droid Eris General] Jp50:
launcher pro shows missed calls and emails for icons in the dock. i like that little touch. adw has the themes and really like that.

kinda go back and forth for now.
[Droid Eris General] Hungry Man:
Launcherpro.
[Droid Eris General] Samiam303:
What I've come to understand is that while LauncherPro packs more features, ADW has the advantage of being open source. I've seen differing opinions on which one is "better" in terms of resources and performance, but I think the open source versus closed source bit is why so many roms include ADW.
[Droid Eris General] Hungry Man:
The open source really just leads to a million themes for it lol, launcherpro's dev is pretty great. He's quick to respond to tweets/ emails and he's managed to get sense/ blur widgets. Plus it's incredibly fast... smoothest I've had by far.
[Droid Eris General] Duffman3005:
LPP for life yo
[Droid Eris General] ahjee:
Launcher pro is all I use.
[Droid Eris General] rycheme:
I've used both, but truly prefer LauncherPro Plus. Resizing widgets, notifications in the dock, and smooth fast performance makes for a happy Eris :)
[Droid Eris General] rjohnson3452:
Launcher pro, 3d app drawer and scrollable dock. Must have.
[Droid Eris General] hallstevenson:
It's my understanding that ADW and Cyanogen are closely tied in some way (??).
[Droid Eris General] dEris:
I purchased LauncherPro. Everyone here likes LauncherPro, ROM developers need to use it instead of ADW. I usually install LauncherPro first thing after a fresh ROM install.

..sent from my Droid Eris..
[Droid Eris General] Rossco_Pee:
The reason I love ADW is for the swyping option on the home screens. I can swype up and the notification bar disappears and I can swype down and the dock disappears. pretty slick.....
[Droid Eris General] orkillakilla:
God I couldn't stand the notification bar disappearing when I swyped up but if you like it then sweet :)

Sent from my leaked rooted HTC Droid Eris with Sense-Able 3.1 using Swype
[Droid Eris General] dEris:
It can be disabled FYI. It scared me the first time I accidentally swipe down and lost my thing. I freaked out and rebooted my phone. Lol. I still like LauncherPro =)

..sent from my Droid Eris..
[Droid Eris General] synesthete:
This is one of the few features that I really miss when using LP. They are both great programs. LP always seems faster and and smoother. The notifications on the icons is another great feature.
[Droid Eris General] orkillakilla:
Yeah I figured that out after a while lol. Still prefer lp cause its so much faster and smoother

Sent from my leaked rooted HTC Droid Eris with Aloysius 2.0.1 using Swype
[Droid Eris General] jonscapri:
Keep in mind there is a couple versions of adw. There's the system integrated that's on ROMs from the get go, then there's the standalone from the market. Launcher pro is great. My wife uses it on her droid. Both are good I think it all comes down to features.
[Droid Eris General] Ddukes76:
Fresh updates

Can anyone send the link to the most recent Launcher Pro, and ADW?

Thanks guys
[Droid Eris General] orkillakilla:
Just search for them in the market to get the latest version.

Sent from my leaked rooted HTC Droid Eris with Sense-Able 3.1 using Swype
[Droid Eris General] addmanrcace:
ADW... I used to swear by Launcher Pro, but when I updated CELB Froyo I tried out ADW and I like it better than Launcher Pro now. It runs much smoother.
[Droid Eris General] TheAtheistReverend:
I have just recently begun using launcherpro and can't imagine life without it now.

Very fast. Slick styling.

The only thing I have found about it I don't like is it seems to have problems running OverclockWidget and SetCPU Widgets on all the ROMs I have used lately. Maybe it doesn't happen on all ROMs, but others have confirmed the issue.

Still, I gave up OC widgets just because I love launcherpro so much.
[Droid Eris General] ahjee:
I too recently switched from launcher pro to ADW. When using launcher pro I began to experience a lag when unlocking my screen as if the launcher had to reload...then all my keys would only work after sliding through home screens.

Never mind what i said above, recently after experiencing the problems I mentioned I reported them to the dev and he immediately fixed it and the problems are gone

....so I say Launcher Pro is your way to go
[Droid Eris General] paullywog77:
LauncherPro is amazingly better than ADW imo.

1. Can customize quick shortcuts on desktop to be Anything.

2. Can remove the home button in the app drawer, so that more apps are displayed at once

3. Resizable widgets

4. Hide any app in the app drawer without disabling the program.

I feel that with launchro pro i can truly get the customization i wanted. ADW still left me wanting.

However, LauncherPro does seem to lag a lot. However, I don't know that it is any worse than ADW or the default launcher
[Droid Eris General] jenkies:
Can't say I've tried launcher pro and what the pros and cons are but I'm currently running adw launcher on kaos froyo v.29 and personally am quite content. It seems to operate well, I can hide everything if I wish and there is also a pretty decent selection of themes offered for it. Hope that helped some.
[Droid Eris General] Zalatorisaurus:
I'm liking adw better for now. I've had problems on launcher pro with changing the icons on the dock. I can change the icon, but it just goes to the previous icon's app and I can't find a way around it. Other than that, launcher pro is fantastic.
[Droid Eris General] Duffman3005:
Fede(the dev) is aware of it and is working on the fix for the next version. An easy way around it was to make the shortcut blank, then remake it. I use to get frustrated by that problem too till I looked on the Launcher Pro forums for a fix.
[Droid Eris General] MOS95B:
I switched from ADW to LauncherPro based on advice for speeding up KAOSFroyo, and I'm glad I did. Seems much smother on my phone, and I like the dock (even though I got lost on a side dock for a few minutes)
[Droid Eris General] Pantheon.:
I prefer Launcher Pro. It us fast and feature filled. :D
[Droid Eris General] hallstevenson:
Interesting because over at LP's forums, some user "neo" has a thread titled "Do NOT post bug reports if your on Cyanogen 6". His first post mentions this:

He must be new to the world of software. First, show me any piece of software that is "final" and "bug free". Second, a developer can call their software a "beta" or "final" or whatever they want. It's not like there's any rules and people can get in trouble !! :confused:
[Droid Eris General] pkopalek:
One of the reasons I keep going back to SenseUI is because of how smooth it is. The launcher PRIORITIZES 'listening' to my finger tap, when I'm trying to swipe screens left and right, and is therefore many times smoother than LP, ADW, Helix, or any of the others.

When my iPhone friends would pick up my phone on Froyo with LP, for example, they'd go "what's wrong with your phone dude?" They were confused about the non-responsiveness and unrealistic amount of thumb throwing (low or high amt) that they would have to do to swipe screens. ADW is the smoothest among them, IMO, but still NOTHING like SenseUI.

See, with SenseUI, the screen scrolls only and EXACTLY as much as you fling it with your thumb, and if you're moving slow, wherever the majority of the screen is left when you release your thumb, is where it will go. When moving your finger faster, it calculates how fast you flung your finger, and realistically moves to the next screen, if you swipe fast enough.

ADW, Launcher Pro, stock Android Home, and ALL the others completely fail at this in comparison.

It makes iPhone users pick up my phone, touch it, and put it right down. It's uncomfortable, unintuitive, and feels alien, and 'robotic'.

SenseUI is what makes these phones better than iPhone, in my opinion. And although these developers do an AMAZING job, and do incredible things, and offer incredible customizations and stability and features, (and I applaud them), I can't go with anything but SenseUI. It's too smooth.

None of these other launchers are. I pick ADW over LP, ONLY because of it being slightly more responsive when swiping between screens (so I'm not so embarrassed when I hand my phone to an iphone-er).

Maybe this would be different with a snapdragon, and since the entire phone would be more responsive, this all would disappear (the unresponsiveness to swipes on the screen, compared to senseui), but with 528mhz (806mhz) and slow memory running the phone, I'm sticking with SenseUI.

SenseUI > adw > lp, for me.
[Droid Eris General] audioscience:
I love LP but I just have not been having the best luck with it lately in regards to restarts. Even after changing many settings it continues to reload all too regularly, even after using the settings outlined here (which did work well for one day but then reverted for some reason): http://www.launcherpro.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2652

I just gave ADW a try and I'm enjoying it's stability although I'm missing LP+'s features and customizations.

I'll go back to LP+ after I figure out how to stabilize the reloads (on the Droid).
[Droid Eris General] dianeofarcadia:
Not sure if this the proper place to ask about these launcher however I have used both and get force close after using any applications/widgets.

Using Senseable 3.0 Rom, 7 screen with Pure Calendars (both grid and calendar) as well the Pure Messages. Bettercut for icons. I do not have task killer installed.

Am I missing a setting? Not even able to use Zeam Launcher as this happens to FC just as much.

A little frustrated with all the FC during the day and would like to use either or Launcher since they both have great features and qualities.

Looking for suggestions on troubleshooting and thanks for anyone who help. ;)
[Droid Eris General] xr4v3nx:
lol, how could you even compare LauncherPro to ADW?

LauncherPro > ADW, whatever angle you look into.