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[EVO 4G Android Development] felacio:
So, that is like.. 4 people I believe that have commented about 8 not working well and nobody saying "works fine for me".

truly, not a great sign for the new kernel. On a personal note, the new Netarchy 4.9.1 has been treating me pretty well right now. in terms of performance, I'd rank it 3rd. and in terms of battery, it would rank about 3rd as well, maybe 2nd.
[EVO 4G Android Development] Shauli20:
Excuse me if this issue has been discussed already. But just one thing I'm not clear about. I'm currently running BFS #4 which I flashed on top of CFS #7. What I don't understand is, was I flashing "on top" or was I just replacing the old kernel with the new kernel? If so, why would I prefer BFS to CFS or vice versa? A clarification is appreciated. Thanks.
[EVO 4G Android Development] scooter185:
Bfs6 is giving me about 10% battery drop per hour on low usage :(
[EVO 4G Android Development] Biofall:
Thing's like kernels can't overlap, so when you flash one, it always overwrites the first. In fact, unless it says so, everything you flash overwrites what was there before.

Flash #7.
[EVO 4G Android Development] Shauli20:
So based on what should I decide if to use a CFS or BFS kernel?

Also, without SetCPU will I not be able to take full advantage of these kernels?
[EVO 4G Android Development] Biofall:
It's personal preference/what works for the individual. Even if I say one thing, you might get another. Set your priorities, then try both.

The kernels are clocked a certain way, so you don't need setCPU. However, I strongly recommend downloading it (you can get it free legitimately on XDA for being a member), and and juice defender
[EVO 4G Android Development] Kenjari:
Do Kernals affect the camera quality? Whats folks opinion about #7? Are folks finding better results with #6 and #8?
[EVO 4G Android Development] Shauli20:
So can someone please explain to me the difference between CFS and BFS? I don't mean the technical side, but rather the performance difference to expect.

I downloaded SetCPU already, but it seemed to make Sense UI unstable and even crashed it once or twice. I was also getting horrible battery life. I prefer Overclocking Widget. But I wasn't sure if I get the same benefits from the kernels with OCW.
[EVO 4G Android Development] Noxious Ninja:
BFS is supposed to make things more responsive. It's really subjective and depends a lot on what combination of apps you run. The only way to tell if there's a difference is to try it for yourself.

As for stability, are you currently using the stock kernel? It has this thing called perflock which interferes with SetCPU.
[EVO 4G Android Development] Shauli20:
I was using one of KingX kernels, don't remember which one, but still experienced problems which I think were caused by SetCPU. I haven't had any issues since switching back to OCW, and my battery life has been better.

So if I don't care about overclocking too much, and mainly want responsiveness and good battery life, is BFS better for me?
[EVO 4G Android Development] Biofall:
They need to put this in the OPs...

It is ALL personal preference at this point. You see this question at lest three times a day. There are always different answers. You have to try them yourself, because Mr. X's answer will be different than YOUR result. It's just the nature of the beast. The SetCPU problems you are having are purely user error. I don't mean that as an insult at all, everyone is new to something at one point. It is a very powerful tool, and again you have to realize other people's numbers won't give you the same result. I'd suggest looking at knowledgeable people's profiles and settings, plus doing a little research before you start messing with the kernel.

Number 7 is tried and true solid for everyone. 8 and bfs 6 give half the people issues, and I highly recommend you try it, because for the third time: Everyone's results are different. :D
[EVO 4G Android Development] lovethexi23:
I tried looking through the first post but didnt see any mention of it.......is the FPS unlocked on this?

I saw a question about it but nothing saying AT THIS POINT, if it has been or not.

EDIT* Using Fresh 3.1.0.2 with froyo if that matters
[EVO 4G Android Development] Biofall:
Yes, it is. In the title of the thread that [fps] means fps is unlocked
[EVO 4G Android Development] lovethexi23:
Damn....i always "Look beyond the obvious" .

of course, the time that i do, the answer is right there.....THANKS!!
[EVO 4G Android Development] Biofall:
No problem lol
[EVO 4G Android Development] juancaperez2000:
So for you #7 is the one that is running better including battery life
[EVO 4G Android Development] Biofall:
Number 7 and number 5 bfs, but I haven't tested the newest net kernels. If it doesn't bug you to not be on the newest thing, number seven will getcha good life
[EVO 4G Android Development] Rudementry:
Is there like a Pros and Cons list of this compared to Netarchy's?
[EVO 4G Android Development] wirenut110:
abkrieger,

will you post your setcpu and juice defender settings?
[EVO 4G Android Development] Biofall:
For battery life:

SetCPU:

Screen off 245 245 (governer doesn't matter here)

temp>120 245 245 ||

Main 245 998 conservative

Other profiles that scale down with battery if you want

Juice Defender randomly cuts off data when you don't want it to, so I got sick of that and just have it like this:
[EVO 4G Android Development] wirenut110:
Thanks for the info
[EVO 4G Android Development] Biofall:
No problem. My damn phone isn't sleeping well though, I'm so confused
[EVO 4G Android Development] Shauli20:
That was another thing I noticed with SetCPU that made me ultimately uninstall it. My phone almost never slept. I know one of this app's permissions is preventing the phone from sleeping, though not all apps with this permission actually caused the phone to stay awake, but apparently SetCPU does. This may be one of the reasons for my worse battery life with it, and I swear ever since I switched back to OCW my battery life has improved and my phone sleeps much more.
[EVO 4G Android Development] Biofall:
The thing is, I've gotten amazing life with SetCPU. I'll install OCW if my life doesn't do well over the next few days
[EVO 4G Android Development] EvoNotEvil:
Can anyone point me to ultimate juice. Would like to test before buying as Im hearing mixed reviews. juice defender really isnt much of a test since the most important features are in ultimate. Sorry if this isnt the forum for this. # 7 cfs is the ticket for mine it seems. Wanting to try with UJ
[EVO 4G Android Development] Biofall:
Search 4shared.
[EVO 4G Android Development] bigrob8181:
Where can I get #7?

Swyped from my HTC Evo using XDA app.
[EVO 4G Android Development] davebu:
actually im using tasker instead of juice defender, can use all the features of it. originally got it for other things, but this is a great plus. i used BFS 6 today and didnt get very good battery life either, going back to 5 for now...
[EVO 4G Android Development] JvIo55iBl3r:
man, got a quick question here. I read a bit about BFS and CFS, honestly, not really understand most part of it. That leads to my question here. I pick fresh froyo also to flash for my rooted evo, would you mind to help me a little more, if i care more phone & apps use, not like I want my evo so fast or etc, which kernel I should pick here? i mean, bfs or cfs. I noticed you picked bfs, why not cfs?

really appreciate it.
[EVO 4G Android Development] Biofall:
Click the kingkernel link in my sig bro, then there's a download link in the OP, go to it and choose 7. Or just see what I attached :P

Well I'll be honest with you. These two things are more names than anything else to the poweruser right now. It's all kind of new, so no one really fully understands it. I can give you a link to the technical description, but it probably won't help you. Basically what you need to do is make a nandroid backup while you have something stable, and flash a couple things to see what works. I haven't had any problems with anything really, but others have. Do to huge differences in device specifications, no one can give a universal good ROM/kernel combo; you have to try it.

I'd recommend king's 7 (attached) but that might reboot your phone lol
[EVO 4G Android Development] NYCHitman1:
Are there any large differences between #6 and #7?
[EVO 4G Android Development] JvIo55iBl3r:
So you recommend cfs kernel?

Appreciate it, man. I did flash the latest bfs last night before hit the bed, so far, it's stable. We will see. One basic question again, so the kernel I flashed now, it should fix 50fps problem, right? I didnt have a chance to download app to check it, but technically, it should, doesn't it?

Also noticed you flash your kernel to something supersecret? so it's stock kernel this time?
[EVO 4G Android Development] Shauli20:
All of the latest kernels have fps unlocked.

I'm using BFS #4 last few days, so far so good, though I'll probably upgrade to #5 soon.

Sent from my EVO using SwiftKey on the XDA App!
[EVO 4G Android Development] Neotelos_com:
Kingklick, would you mind updating Github?

I would like to compile my own kernel starting with your code.

Of course I would like to make changes and release my changes too.

Regardless, you have done great work and all I'd like to do is try to help improve it more by any means.
[EVO 4G Android Development] rebosxl:
Stick with 4 because according to my juice plotter after I flashed 5 my battery went down a lot quicker with the same usage pattern. I text and use ebuddy anddddddd browse the net all day at work (blame it on my EVO) lasts me about 8 hours of constant usage
[EVO 4G Android Development] Shauli20:
You were talking to me? I hear ya, and I guess I might stick with #4. I'm really getting good battery life out of this one. I'm happy!

Sent from my EVO using the XDA App!
[EVO 4G Android Development] kingklick:
new release today

found a major bug in HAVS thanks to netarchy and patched in the fix

:D
[EVO 4G Android Development] Biofall:
Yeah I think it's cfs, it's whatever's attached to that post. You gotta realize that those are all just words to the normal flasher right now because of how unstable they can be for some people. I'm not saying to not know what you're flashing though :P As was said, almost all custom kernels fix the fps cap
[EVO 4G Android Development] kingklick:
compiling successfully finally :)
[EVO 4G Android Development] xlGmanlx:
King, you hear about the 3.28 update? Thing is sick
[EVO 4G Android Development] kingklick:
new kernel is live!
[EVO 4G Android Development] Josh H.:
The forum says it's #7, but the filename says Evo-8... just a typo?
[EVO 4G Android Development] kingklick:
yup Ill fix it
[EVO 4G Android Development] Tyzing:
So which one is new!!!!
[EVO 4G Android Development] njfoses:
Just flashed and scrolling became very choppy. Wiped before flashing. Fps dropped to 48.
[EVO 4G Android Development] xlGmanlx:
the new one! haha, if you click his link it says 8, just here its not updated
[EVO 4G Android Development] pongoface:
Have some weird lag issues on BFS #7. Using old linpack press run test normally I can keep pressing and get results everytime in the mid 40's with old bfs kernels but this one I am getting 5,6,7,16,16 and then bang some 40's. Testing CFS #8 now
[EVO 4G Android Development] pongoface:
King,

same lag issue on CFS #8. Going back to BFS#6 for now. Has to be similiar code changes to both new kernels. The new kernels both bfs and cfs are acting exactly the same. Having no problems with BFS #6 fast and smooth. Great work as always but these 2 need to be tweaked. Thanks
[EVO 4G Android Development] Josh H.:
Same here. Feels like it's taking too long to clock up when it needs processing power. Swype was especially difficult to use, so I'll go back to #6 for now.
[EVO 4G Android Development] bwtl1000r:
Same lag problems as before. Reverting to #6
[EVO 4G Android Development] rebosxl:
Change the name to "its not fixed" because this shutters like crazy when scrolling! Reverting back to #4 Bfs, i'll let this slide because you made my phone awesome!
[EVO 4G Android Development] darkhova:
Yea this latest isnt the greatest:o
[EVO 4G Android Development] kcodya:
MASSIVE performance hit after flashing BFS#7.:(

Quadrant scores are 1017, whereas before they were around 1400.

Very laggy scrolling, and FPS is around the mid 40s.
[EVO 4G Android Development] kingklick:
#7 BFS requires a FULL wipe and flash of a ROM and this kernel. Too many changes to just flash the kernel.
[EVO 4G Android Development] darkhova:
Ewwww:(...eh
[EVO 4G Android Development] strongsteve:
BFS#7 is laggy, low FPS and performance scores..

Going back to BFS#6

Hail to the King..
[EVO 4G Android Development] xlGmanlx:
will this have any benefit if flashed over Fresh's 3.2?
[EVO 4G Android Development] strongsteve:
You gotta be shiyyyyy--itttttin me!
[EVO 4G Android Development] kingklick:
once again it requires a full wipe and flash

If you follow my github you'll see there was far too much changed to just flash over anything
[EVO 4G Android Development] darkhova:
Yea...Im not going through a whole wipe and restore process just for a kernel.
[EVO 4G Android Development] imex99:
what do you mean full wipe and flash?

i'm running DC, do you want me to install the rom again and then flash your kernel?
[EVO 4G Android Development] akarol:
Won't a nandroid backup work to restore everything? What's the big commotion about wiping?
[EVO 4G Android Development] EindhovenOne:
For all the Fresh donors / subscribers, you'll have to do a full wipe for the latest Fresh ROM coming out anyway so you might as well go for it when going to BFS #7.
[EVO 4G Android Development] darkhova:
Wont a Nandroid restore everything you just wiped?:confused:
[EVO 4G Android Development] kingklick:
yes, please try that then report back :)

thank you

king
[EVO 4G Android Development] thatdude:
I have one complaint. I cant follow you on twitter because you crashed it with the announcement of the new Kernel. Thanks for your work and future Kernels. I am currently using BFS kernel. People please backup and stop ****ing complaining.
[EVO 4G Android Development] lamboh:
Have I tried netarchy's kernel? If so...what are the diffs with this kernel....i just might go head and try this kernel too....
[EVO 4G Android Development] mylasthope:
Going to flash #7 right now. So, just to be crystal clear...I should wipe everything, flash fresh, let it boot up, reboot recovery and then flash the kernel? Or should I wipe everything, flash fresh, flash kernel, then let it boot up?
[EVO 4G Android Development] chummer360:
wipe everything reflash rom and flashed bfs#7, I'm looking at the kernel version right now is says 2.6.32.15-king-HAVS-OcUverik@Ubuntu#8.

????:confused:
[EVO 4G Android Development] ctyke:
same here, slow too...
[EVO 4G Android Development] mylasthope:
Same thing. Haha.
[EVO 4G Android Development] chummer360:
doing a restore right now hahaha
[EVO 4G Android Development] tbee2k9:
6 much smoother.
[EVO 4G Android Development] kingklick:
haha thanks man!
[EVO 4G Android Development] letshaveDEX:
Does anyone have the link to BFS #6?
[EVO 4G Android Development] leeoniya:
after flashing #6 BFS -> #7 BFS, i'm noticing a lot of homescreen scrolling jitter after rapidly going back and forth between 5+ screens. starts out smooth then degrades.

did a wipe of cache + dalvik cache before flash (as i have been for all my kernel flashes)

tried setting governor to performance instead of conservative - no help :(

running fresh 3.1.0.2

EDIT: app drawer lags too. browser scrolling seems unaffected noticeably
[EVO 4G Android Development] ctyke:
http://kingxklick.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=117&p=1611#p1611
[EVO 4G Android Development] juancaperez2000:
Wiped everything flash Rom skip all the accounts process go to recovery then flash kernel, and still lagy fps2d just 50 going back to #6 :(
[EVO 4G Android Development] kingklick:
think I know what the issue is with stutters

Compiling a new one now
[EVO 4G Android Development] rebosxl:
King klick is awesome :D
[EVO 4G Android Development] felacio:
Thank god.

I got sad hearing that the new #7 and #8 where still giving people problems. I really want to try them. But when you said we needed to wipe all and re-flash even a ROM before the kernel. That's when I started looking back over at Netarchy.

hope that still isn't something that is needed.
[EVO 4G Android Development] cowfodder:
With as many changes as were made a full wipe would have been necessary regardless of who made the kernel.

From my Evo to your eyeballs.
[EVO 4G Android Development] Tilde88:
open up titanium... and clear the data (only data!) of ADW ( which is what i assume youre using) or w/e home launcher you have... in titback just click the app and wipe data.

report afterward
[EVO 4G Android Development] Adanedhels:
I am so lost

Ok so I am lost, I have installed all of your kernels and never had problems like this last one. I have done a complete wipe, then reinstalled the odexed version of the 2.2 update, flashed the kernel, restored my data and started the phone up again. I don't use a ROM and if that is required to use this update I'll have to revert back to 6.

The thing is I am having a ton of lag when using my system. The initial boot animation even lags slower then it did before when I was locked to 30 fps. What can I do differently? Is there something I'm doing wrong? Should I be rebooting before restoring my nand backup? I'm just so lost help me here...
[EVO 4G Android Development] kingklick:
ok it compiled.

I think the issue lies in that BFS update I applied.

Doesn't seem to be very stable at 330
[EVO 4G Android Development] darkhova:
If you dont use a ROM then you have a problem lol......
[EVO 4G Android Development] rebosxl:
Doesn't help with lag, still laggy and now i have to put back all my widgets and stuff back -_-
[EVO 4G Android Development] felacio:
I actually don't have any of the lagging problems with Netarchy or earlier King Kernels.

and if you look at Netarchy's original post, it doesn't say reflashing ROM before the kernel is required, or even recommended. So, I don't really get why a FULL wipe and reflash is required when other kernels don't even say its recommend.
[EVO 4G Android Development] felacio:
I think he meant to say a "custom" rom. I'm only guessing though
[EVO 4G Android Development] darkhova:
I know im jus busting his chops:D
[EVO 4G Android Development] Adanedhels:
Bah

I havent liked a single custom rom I've tried. I always lose something I like with them. I don't care much about the extra features i never use and I like Sense (yes no one does but I do) and I don't want to give it up. And that answer didnt help because unless I am understanding King wrong it was a problem with the BFS 330 kernel. Does that mean you are uploading a new kernel to fix this?

Please tell me thats the case...
[EVO 4G Android Development] SharkUW:
Icky. Bfs 7 definitely has some issue.
[EVO 4G Android Development] felacio:
gotcha, lol

on this topic... I really hope #8 and #7 are able to rebound. it sucks to see 2 back to back releases that aren't working for anyone.
[EVO 4G Android Development] Shauli20:
So is this new compiled kernel going to replace BFS #7 or going to be #8?

When do you plan on releasing it?

Sent from my EVO using the XDA App!
[EVO 4G Android Development] leeoniya:
i've gone back and forth between netarchy, king and baked kernels many times over without a single data wipe (just caches) and never had an issue. don't see how doing one now will magically fix things. i'm gonna wait to see what king comes up with before wasting a bunch of time restoring my prefs/etc...
[EVO 4G Android Development] fazzmanic:
Bfs 5 I get random cashes

Bfs 6 I don't get good battery life

Bfs 7 is terribad laggy

I'm a bit disappointed.
[EVO 4G Android Development] Shauli20:
Agreed. I also enjoy Sense UI, and don't care for most of the Custom ROMs out there. Using Stock rooted/odexed and it meets my needs (I would go to Cyanogen if only it had 4G working). Rockin with BFS #4!

Sent from my EVO using the XDA App!
[EVO 4G Android Development] rebosxl:
Me too :(
[EVO 4G Android Development] cowfodder:
What's your OC set to? I was getting random crashes at 1190, even though it seemed to run fine otherwise. I backed it down to 1152 and it benches the same, without the random crashes.

Though I agree, 7 has some issues. King has said he's working on it, so I trust that it will be fixed shortly.
[EVO 4G Android Development] fazzmanic:
At 1190 as well... What kernel are you running now? I just installed netarchy and it feels REAL NICE.
[EVO 4G Android Development] kingklick:
Stay on topic please wow

Update will be coming..7 had some major issues
[EVO 4G Android Development] ctyke:
King your kernels rock!!! It seems a minor setback on #7, that's what happens when you live on the edge.

Just wanted to say thanks for your work on these, I am back at #6, but will be flashing whatever you dream up next when it is released.
[EVO 4G Android Development] cowfodder:
Virus RC1.
[EVO 4G Android Development] ctyke:
We need to help change that to read EVO!
[EVO 4G Android Development] Joker022:
I have to agree. #7 did have its issues, but we know you'll bounc back tonight if not sometime tomorrow! Keep up the great work!
[EVO 4G Android Development] akarol:
So I guess I'll be holding out for #8 to upgrade to Fresh 3.2.0.0.
[EVO 4G Android Development] nitty917:
this is probably been asked a million times, but can Kings kernels be flashed over one another or do i need to wipe and start all over?
[EVO 4G Android Development] davebu:
flashed over one another is just fine, wiping wont hurt tho. i would recommend nandroid, flash new kernel, if you have any issues wipe and test, still issues then restore your backup and keep using the last working kernel.

im still on BFS 5, 6 gave me low battery life and after reading the last few pages im not going to bother with 7.
[EVO 4G Android Development] DataDork:
I seriously dont get why people are Bitxhing and getting all annoyed about wiping???

REALLY?? you come here, donate or not, and have the nerve to complain and then talk about "well, net's doesnt do this or that" .. stfu already.. u ****z piss me off and i can bet others too...

if you have a problem with your setup, then POST.. yes... POST in a meaningful manner to King so that he actually feels the need to fix what is occuring with his kernerls..

do you really expect him to go over the top when most of us here get his builds for free? does he expect you to pay for his time?

NO..

have a little respect and stay on top.. stop comparing other builds built by other people..

king will do what he can as always to please people and im sure even more so for himself to get his work out there that people enjoy.. i mean dang it.. thats prob why he is here in the first place, to release his work and at the same time, prob buy a evo at some point..

I am not by any request to back him up, but dammit i feel to the need to blast those here outloud who are complaining..

King..

Thanks for your work.. I always APPRECIATE something free and even more so, someone who can offer their time like you do for us.
[EVO 4G Android Development] kingklick:
compiling #8 right now.
[EVO 4G Android Development] kingklick:
New kernel BFS #8 is live guys
[EVO 4G Android Development] leeoniya:
flashing...
[EVO 4G Android Development] dundada08:
Does #8 require full wipe?

Btw been running your kernal since its been flashable and currently running bfs #6 with no issues at all! Thank you king :)
[EVO 4G Android Development] kingklick:
#8 should not need a full wipe but if you want to be safe please do

:D
[EVO 4G Android Development] DataDork:
Nice, thanks.. gonna test it tonight.. still @ work.. grrrr
[EVO 4G Android Development] leeoniya:
with #8 screen lag's gone for me, fps2sd back to 53. thanks.
[EVO 4G Android Development] kingklick:
phew that's a relief

I knew those issues were the culprits :)