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[Epic 4G Android Development] Digitaltigre:
The Evo is definitely not better than the Epic. Ive lost a little screen real estate and the kick stand but that's it. The Epic's processor destroys the snapdragon. Even Wifi/bluetooth connect WAY faster. Slingplayer works better (there was a nasty lag when sending controls on Evo). The audio is better & now I finally have a keyboard again. The screen on the Epic - oh m gee. I encoded Avatar at 800 wide and that's what I use to show people. If you haven't seen the oled screen, do yourself a favor!

Now, I haven't exactly used the scientific method here. For all I know Sense is a huge resource hog and removing it might have evened the playing field. Ive used the Evo every day for three months and I keep getting surprised by things being faster/better on Epic. A good example is the physx live wallpaper. It chokes on Evo and shines on the Epic. Just saying.
[Epic 4G Android Development] bigray327:
More importantly, why are you talking about it here? This is why "coming soon" threads are stupid. Six pages of nothing, so far.
[Epic 4G Android Development] aim1126:
Even without sense my evo was slower than my epic. And that's with the evo running cm6

Sent from the future...
[Epic 4G Android Development] DTgreat:
Please stick to the topic, Epic v Evo should go to the General section, not the Boss ROM thread...and this isn't a preveiw its a working development thread...

Just saying, relax peeps.
[Epic 4G Android Development] PlankLongBeard:
Amen +1

Sent From The Moon... :-)
[Epic 4G Android Development] mykenyc:
Not trying to lead the topic astray but i notice a lot of EVO users keep comparing the EVO to the Epic like Apple vs Android. I don't understand this concept when we should all be android brothers, sometimes i feel as if EVO users are jealous of us or something.
[Epic 4G Android Development] Fixter:
Alright, getting back on topic. We're gonna get some goodies for you REAL soon. Please stay tuned! :D
[Epic 4G Android Development] Badge2378:
I'm lookin forward to tryin this bad boy out.
[Epic 4G Android Development] PlankLongBeard:
Patiently waiting on this... Hopefully we have a recovery to play with @ 100% Aside from being set free by Unrevoked :-)

Also maybe, just maybe we could have a better gps signal. ;-)

Sent From The Moon... :-)
[Epic 4G Android Development] rjmjr69:
I still dont see where unrevoked says anything about the epic? You posted a link but it went to your thread about hulu?????

Kyle whats up bro need another tester? sending more mountain dews
[Epic 4G Android Development] Badge2378:
I have my epic chillin and willin to do some testing. I'm off tomorrow and want to break something!
[Epic 4G Android Development] siptang:
So any public release plans? Love to give it a go.
[Epic 4G Android Development] mrkrabs:
I switched from evo to epic....luvnnn my epic...will there be as much development on the epic as there has been on the evo??
[Epic 4G Android Development] Aridon:
As much? Probably not. Simply because half of the roms you see for the Evo are removing sense or some derivative of that. The Evo also came first and was Sprint's first decent device in a very long time. So a lot of people blew their wad and are stuck with it for a year. Some can switch (I did) but you can't expect everyone to drop $500 on new devices on a whim in this economy.

Since Touchwiz is so simple to mostly remove from the system its trivial for anyone with root to remove 95% of it off the bat. The Evo simply isn't like that since most of the actual framework needs to be changed to get anything working other than sense apps.

So that leaves zipalign, deodex and removing / adding programs / widgets / themes for the roms. The Kernel needs to be modified to do proper OC and stream line the actual junk running under the hood.

That said, there should be more than enough. The priority is getting a working recovery with backup / restore. Then kernel development which gets easier as time goes on and people figure out exactly how things are working. With a proper kernel base to work from a lot of cool things can happen from there.
[Epic 4G Android Development] dondadah88:
Its just like the hero vs the moment....

Everyone hop on the hero and left the moment hanging.... after I just trade my evo for the epic but hey as long s we get support I'm good
[Epic 4G Android Development] siptang:
You know, I would really appreciate that extra battery boost but what are we sacrificing for it? Usually there's some catch to this kind of thing.

Btw, everything is looking pretty good.
[Epic 4G Android Development] lordcyrus:
So what exactly IS Laptop Mode? I'm trying to dig something up but I'm coming to dead ends on it.
[Epic 4G Android Development] PlankLongBeard:
I'm waiting for this patiently.. :-) I just re-rooted today, but used the market busybox and su. Activated autokiller, atk, cachemate and set CPU and my batt life is so much better and I'm back to snappiness.. :-)

So, I can't wait to see this arrive.

Sent From The Moon :-)
[Epic 4G Android Development] aim1126:
Haha that would have been a huge mistake, the battery life on the evo is probably the worst on any device I've ever had, even when undervolted and everything. I'm actually quite immpressed with the epics battery life

Sent from the future...
[Epic 4G Android Development] Fixter:
Yeah. I have no idea what they are talking about with the Evo having 20+ hours of battery life with heavy usage.. >_> Yeah right.. Right now I unplugged my Evo at 2, and its 9:20 and it still has more than 80%, with a hard usage.
[Epic 4G Android Development] aim1126:
Maybe it was min then. I used to take it off the charger at around 8:00 am and I would have to plug back in at around 4pm. Even calibating the battery didn't seem to help at all

Sent from the future...
[Epic 4G Android Development] rjmjr69:
How did you install busybox from market after rooting? What method of rooting did you use? I used the noobl kernel and I can not install the latest version of Busybox. but if I use the oneclick 2.2.4 version of root I Can install busybox 1.18.0
[Epic 4G Android Development] fixxxer2008:
this i know, until i see a few roms i won't be picking up an epic.
[Epic 4G Android Development] daddymikey1975:
ROMs take time. This device has been out only a week (or so)..

There was a dev over at sdx that had this phone rooted before release even. There are a bunch of devs working on ROMs ATM.. patience is key I believe :)

Also, for the Evo vs. Epic stuff, I'm still glad I kept the Epic. I could have gotten better batt. life w/ the Evo, but I believe after we get custom ROMs and Froyo it'll get better (I hope).
[Epic 4G Android Development] lordcyrus:
Still trying to figure out what Laptop Mode is... anyone have an idea?
[Epic 4G Android Development] dondadah88:
http://www.google.com/m/url?client=...YQFjAC&usg=AFQjCNF4fPe97TltxuzSU4fTYlc6lt_4zg

Google laptop mode linux. And alsobit basic slows down the hdd or ssd. When needed.
[Epic 4G Android Development] johnsongrantr:
I would like to see laptop mode in action, but it sounds a little gimicy based solely off that article, SSD's shouldn't use much power at all because the no moving parts.

I know this is a horrible example, but ipod shuffles have like a 15 hour continueous access battery life, standy time is like a month or something insane, and their battery is only 300mah, and that's all a ipod shuffle is, a ssd basically with a battery and a headphone jack.

I am curious to see a before and after test with laptop mode only, if all it is doing is cutting the power to the nand or microsd when not in use. Please do not take this as bashing.
[Epic 4G Android Development] CJNYC:
PBAP (Phonebook Access Profile - a Bluetooth standard profile)

Will this ROM contain the PBAP (Phonebook Access Profile - a Bluetooth standard profile) which is strangely missing from the Epic? If so, I'm more than happy to contribute, as this is the one thing that's keeping my EVO from being sold.

Thanks!
[Epic 4G Android Development] noobnl:
what is this so called "Enabled Laptop mode (Crazy battery saver)"??

give us (developers) a technical explanation... because if you don't give us an explanation. i will complain to the mods..
[Epic 4G Android Development] lordcyrus:
I asked this as well earlier, someone answered. Google for "laptop mode linux" and you'll find a bunch. Regardless, here's a quick description I copypastad.

But how that works on a phone without a physical spinning disk is beyond me.

Edit: That same site has an FAQ where it talks about SSD.
[Epic 4G Android Development] noobnl:
nope that doesn't work in arm... or in samsung android devices.....
[Epic 4G Android Development] Jed Dignazio:
Any update on tv-out possibilities?
[Epic 4G Android Development] Fixter:
At the moment, nope.
[Epic 4G Android Development] Fixter:
We are right now trying to figure out, if we should make a completely new .tar or an Update.zip. But both of them are giving us problems. It's not easy when you are the first one doing it.
[Epic 4G Android Development] KyleCole90:
Laptop mode is a type of hibernation. It was also in the Evo when it was on 2.1 but it was taken out at 2.2. I really dont like the threat " I will complain to the mods", you can do that I dont care it just makes you seem dumb because you cannot handle that a normal college is smarter than the guy who help root the epic or whatever you did. Please do not start this beef with me, it wont end well on your end.Im going back to making this rom have fun trolling.
[Epic 4G Android Development] siptang:
"I will complain to the mods."

Another chuckle. Whew, this thread is getting alot of drama today lol.

Eagerly waiting for your release Kyle. (Like EVERY 5 MINS haha)
[Epic 4G Android Development] koolhand79:
LMAO....... I thought that was an interesting threat when i first read it. Share with me or I'm telling the teacher!!!!! Sounds like my son
[Epic 4G Android Development] lordcyrus:
Regardless, I'd love to know how it works, and on that note why it's missing from 2.2 on the EVO. I'm not really finding much other than how it controls disk access. I'd love to hear more technical information specifically relating to Android.
[Epic 4G Android Development] KyleCole90:
I honestly do not know how it works but it saved great battery life on the Evo. I assume it will work the same for the Epic.

Sent from HTC Evo
[Epic 4G Android Development] siptang:
Whew when I came home and checked, no update. Sad is my life kyle lol.

Take ur time and release a stable rom.

Its good to see some developement in the epic section now.
[Epic 4G Android Development] infamousjax:
I had the Evo since launch date and have never heard of this laptop mode. It sounds like bull**** to me though to be honest, and this logic that you _think_ it will work on the Epic the same way is just as flawed.

If you want any respect from this community AND money to buy an Epic, then you should release this "ROM" so everybody can use it, and if it's any good you will get donations. That's how it's supposed to work, and it also makes you look better, not to mention earns you a trusting customer base.
[Epic 4G Android Development] maldito.boss:
well any updates?>
[Epic 4G Android Development] maldito.boss:
i just saw in twitter on kyle cole..... that he is working in the update script. so we just need to wait a lil longer!! i believeDDDD lol (keep hoppin it will be tonight for the release )
[Epic 4G Android Development] NotATreoFan:
Requiring donations in order for people to gain access to your ROM is not allowed. You will need to provide access to everyone, regardless of whether or not they have donated, or you will not be able to release on XDA-Developers. Please take a moment to review the forum rules, specifically Rule 8:

I need to state, for all the people who have donated so far, XDA-Developers has zero liability with regards to this situation. We cannot (and will not) be responsible if the [OP] takes your money and runs, without buying an Epic or ever releasing the ROM. I do not mean to indicate this will happen, but this disclaimer needs to be put out there.

-NATF
[Epic 4G Android Development] NotATreoFan:
I've gone through the thread, and removed the debate surrounding donations. As stated in my above post, the [OP] is in violation of Rule 8, and this shall serve as their official warning. Future offenses will lead to a temporary ban from the forums.

@[OP]: Your signature goes against the ethos of XDA. As it states in Rule 8, XDA-Developers is not here for you to make money.

-NATF
[Epic 4G Android Development] monadzback:
burn. lol
[Epic 4G Android Development] stress1ner:
i have always seen devs ask for donations whether its in the wm forum or android forums, and many have done exactly what he is doing giving it first to those who support their work. for instance damage roms for the evo before they released their 2.2 rom they gave it first to people that donated ( i was one ). so it should just boil down to if you trust the guy/dev to not be bull ****ting, in that note i will wait and if its good i will donate.

also many many devs have produced roms for phones they dont own so its nothing new they just have beta testers that have the phone.
[Epic 4G Android Development] Fixter:
Yeah. I was one of the DC myself. And they said. Only donators will get the hands on the first release. I clearly saw that. I they didnt get flamed. Not even ONCE. Let alone a moderator burn.
[Epic 4G Android Development] NotATreoFan:
If another team of developers chose to do this, they also were in violation of Rule 8. If the thread was not reported to us, then we likely did not see it, and therefore could not act on it. As you can read above, Rule 8 only permits donations when they come non-solicited.
[Epic 4G Android Development] infamousjax:
Told you guys it wasn't right.
[Epic 4G Android Development] Fixter:
Alright man. No problem.
[Epic 4G Android Development] siptang:
Kyle, keep your head up. **** happens, just move it to your sig and word it better.

But no update?!?! your killing me lol.
[Epic 4G Android Development] NotATreoFan:
Avoid this advice. It will get you banned.
[Epic 4G Android Development] ghostrid3r:
I concur, just because people do it doesn't make it right or promotes open-source development which is what android platform is derived from.

At best, people in open-source dev community bicker about giving due credit from source code(GPL) of other devs. At worst, you get self serving individuals who treat this forum as a "Market" place environment.

This mentality stagnates community development of things like rooting the Epic for example. Why not have 20,000(example) members collaborating to get things developed rather than a "few" privileged donors working on getting things working?

We need more people like noobnl, dzo and others in that category. They just share/give for the sake of betterment of the community rather than asking first.
[Epic 4G Android Development] siptang:
But I thought that was allowed.

I'm just telling Kyle to keep his head up, he may not have seen this as a problem. I'm pretty sure many people will be grateful and are willing to buy him a cup of coffee or a redbull for his time and efforts.

No disrespect to you, just thought it was ok. Maybe I'm wrong.
[Epic 4G Android Development] NotATreoFan:
I apologize if I misunderstood your last post, which I may have.

You are absolutely allowed to have a donation link in your signature. I still have one from when I was a much more active ROM chef. What you cannot do is promise anything to people in exchange for donating.
[Epic 4G Android Development] mykenyc:
I think it's more or less people want to see an actually rom to show proof of work, instead of SAYING what he will do and actually showing but, i also think what is holding some roms back is we need a custom recovery.
[Epic 4G Android Development] rjmjr69:
if this is true why is this member allowed to berate and charge people as seen fit for something?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=742164

seems to be a double standard on this site and its quite annoying. At least there is a PROMISE for something other users just take the money and run. But hey it is what it is right?

Kyle keep your head up kid your doing the right thing.

Op above me I agree 100% but how does one SHOW A ROM? lol Just to be clear on that one. I've BETA TESTED Kyles ROM its being worked on so its not like he is just posting nonsense it is in the works. Flashing the rom is the hard part right now
[Epic 4G Android Development] mykenyc:
Show/display/put on a server, are you serious? you know what i mean. A perfect example is when Cyanogen puts his beta roms on a private server or whatever he does so people can test it, who are brave. I'm not negating kyle for his work, but epic roms are scarce in these woods and it would make the O.S community a lot more accepting rather then telling us what he did and taking pics if that makes him feel comfortable or putting up a beta rom. If you even notice a few threads up i encourage people to help get him a phone (which in its entirety he wants people to help buy him the *full phone* so we deserve a little something for security).

[edit] And if there's a double standard i don't agree with that, but like i said as a young college student i know it's hard, lucky for me i have the military to pay me off :-D but i don't think a screen shot, or even a simple beta rom would really hurt him?
[Epic 4G Android Development] rjmjr69:
lol I agreed with you!!! lol Funny

It would be a very UNWISE decision to post any type of BETA rom for the epic at this point in time., It would do nothing more than cause many many user issues. I think at this point people should offer help not offer heat! lol

If a user even attempted to try and flash what is developed right now there would be so many unhappy people and potential bricks this would turn ugly. Others have also tried flashing the beta and its just not ready. If you want pictures Just turn on your phone and look at it. Pictures posted! lol j/k
[Epic 4G Android Development] mykenyc:
LOL i'm a defensive person, don't mind me just very inclined to output my views. welp, i hope he does well with his roms, TGIF check xda manana.
[Epic 4G Android Development] NotATreoFan:
What is he charging for? If you can show me an example, it will be dealt with accordingly. Furthermore, if this is true, it goes back to my earlier point... if people do not report posts, we likely will not know about it.
[Epic 4G Android Development] shabbypenguin:
looks to me like he is linking back to another forum, and even then everyone gets a release.... i see no wrong..
[Epic 4G Android Development] rjmjr69:
Really? Just read the last 4 pages or even the first page ops own words. Must donate in order to become a member of HiS SITE TO BETA TEST IMAGINARY THEME. Last I Checked a donation is just that. SOMETHING THAT REQUIRES PAYMENT IS A SALE CORRECT? But doesn't matter threads closed now
[Epic 4G Android Development] NotATreoFan:
I didn't say that I could not find evidence of him charging for his theme. I simply asked for a link to an incriminating post. The thread is closed because I asked Toastcfh, the forum mod for Evo, to take a look at the previous members complaint.
[Epic 4G Android Development] guruleenyc:
I did that last week. But not sure predictive typing is as good as evo and device keyboard auto complete doesn't work...
[Epic 4G Android Development] rjmjr69:
Oh I see I am sorry my mis understanding. Thank you very much for explaining.
[Epic 4G Android Development] shabbypenguin:
how would evo have better predictive? dont they all use the same libs? use swiftkey it will give you autocorrect/suggestions on hw keyboard
[Epic 4G Android Development] infamousjax:
Well where's this release? I'm beginning to think there never even was a ROM :p
[Epic 4G Android Development] KyleCole90:
Smh read the update

Sent from HTC Evo
[Epic 4G Android Development] dondadah88:
Het meanwhile we are waiting for a recovery why not try working on part two. Or try different kernal tweaks or something so your tom can be perfected.
[Epic 4G Android Development] maldito.boss:
Does anyone know any updates from this thrread or....something about recovery?mm?
[Epic 4G Android Development] BopChie:
really? 13 pages you guys! i hate to see this thread after the rom is actually out :eek:
[Epic 4G Android Development] Kcarpenter:
I can't believe people are actually doubting this. I mean how would you flash it if he let you have it now? There are 2 other Roms out there "ready" and waiting for a recovery. Even if "Laptop Mode" doesn't give incredible battery life - that doesn't mean it doesn't exist or that the guy is full of crap - no one can even try it out to see until we have it on our phones.

#1 Reason forums suck - internet cojones and people who think they have the right to slam people around because they have a keyboard and DSL.

Please check your negativity at the door.
[Epic 4G Android Development] rawsoup:
QFT ^^ patience is a virtue
[Epic 4G Android Development] bubby323:
well...noobnl just got a working recovery complied so here we go boys!
[Epic 4G Android Development] guruleenyc:
Well I had the evo for 30 days and I have had the epic for 2 weeks.....swype does not offer nearly the accuracy in words, nor does it do auto-complete. The device keyboard on mine and my three colleagues offers no auto-complete.
[Epic 4G Android Development] raiderep:
Try Swiftkey beta. Its in the market and it has predictive for the hard keyboard.

sent by an Epic 4th through the cosmos
[Epic 4G Android Development] odub303:
Where do you see this?
[Epic 4G Android Development] bubby323:
Join the IRC #Samsung-Epic
[Epic 4G Android Development] odub303:
weeeeeeeeeeeeee, this is good
[Epic 4G Android Development] ePIC4G:
If you download the droid x's multitouch keyboard the predictive text features work for the hardware keyboard as well.
[Epic 4G Android Development] rjmjr69:
What function work with the recovery
[Epic 4G Android Development] M@XLOL:
Looking forward to my beta
[Epic 4G Android Development] infamousjax:
Whats he working on? I thought the ROM was finished :P
[Epic 4G Android Development] dondadah88:
i thought it was finish also. unless he is working on .2....

but we should run .1 until he is ready to release .2... i'm dying without flashing something.
[Epic 4G Android Development] maldito.boss:
Well I got recovery workin now.....to bad I got to wait double time...... fo the zip file cuz I didn't donate......oh well at lease is a free rom
[Epic 4G Android Development] PlankLongBeard:
Personally, waiting do this one.. :-)

Sent From The Moon... :-)
[Epic 4G Android Development] maldito.boss:
U talkin about the recovery.....it works great they just don't mappin the keys right....but everything works great just waitin for the rom....hopping next week for the non payers rom
[Epic 4G Android Development] rjmjr69:
Its not a matter of NON PAYERS there was NO WAY TO FLASH the rom so why hand out a bunch of useless files that people would end up messing up their phones and it would just lead to a huge mess. Now that there is a GHETTO way of flashing a rom I am certain kyle will start a beta program to get this rom going the way everyone wants. Just relax its a matter of a few days for something really worth talking about.