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[Epic 4G General] wettems35:
im currently not on sprint, and my brother has been with sprint for years. ive found out that it would come out to 120 dollars for two lines with the everything unlimited plan if i add a line. i was wondering if i would be able to get this deal if i were to buy the epic through another store like radio shack or best buy. Or am i stuck having to buy it at sprint for the deal?
[Epic 4G General] ickwonder:
Yeah you should get the deal I reserved with the option to add a line. You should get the deal cause its a new contract
[Epic 4G General] smashpunks:
Hell to the Motha fukin yesssss. Im with Tmobile and have a vibrant, but its good to see it making it too other carriers, Im excited for you and a little jealous of your flash.. But, i dont like keyboards so for me its moot..

Whatever, just glad yall gonna get the best device out IMO>>>>>
[Epic 4G General] ben7337:
Okay this might sound random, but I have a question about Sprint's TEP (Total Equipment Protection) plan and this phone and I think this idea if valid might be something to note for people who don't need the phone the very exact day it comes out. Here is my idea/question

Is it possible to buy this phone on Amazon's website with a plan and everything, for their cheaper price (assuming there is a cheaper price as there is/was for the captivate and vibrant) and also buy the TEP monthly program thing and then if I have any issues with the phones, even screen color balance being off or what not, just return it to sprint for a replacement? according to the TEP page sprint has, you can go to the store for any "Mechanical or electrical failure, routine maintenance, and failure from normal wear and tear" which to me sounds like it covers any manufacturing defects of issues and that is free of charge to replace the phone for those reasons.

The reason I ask is because I will be in VT for school at the point, none of their stores offer online preorders and I don't like the idea of paying $350 out of pocket for this phone when I know there is a cheaper solution which if vt stores don't have the phone on opening day, won't even be slower than sprint. My only worry is if I have any issues with the phone, exchanging it might be hard unless the TEP covers that. Mailing back to Amazon would be hard, and amazon doesn't list any real exchange policy on their cell phones that covers how it works to keep you from being phoneless for at least a few days. If anyone knows anything more about this please let me know.
[Epic 4G General] imdshiznit:
it is kind of annoying that this phone is:

1. $50 more expensive than the other GS phones.

2. We are required to pay $10 more per month.

Couldn't they just have done 1 or the other? =(

On the other hand, it really does look like a great phone! But still...
[Epic 4G General] radar5:
where are you guys reserving these exactly? I'm signing into my sprint account and not seeing anything. TIA
[Epic 4G General] dthunder137:
Sprint has the worst deals for new lines, but the most reliable. I heard some of the 3rd parties are pretty shady. I used Letstalk originally, and got my phone for free.

sprint.timetrade.com/tc/ReservePhone.do?method=load&postalCode=&ECID=MA:EM:20100803:FTK:EPI_b_reserve

Posted to show that stores are opening at 8am!
[Epic 4G General] hydralisk:
Not too bright are you? The Epic has a keyboard, camera flash, and a front facing camera.

You're right. It should totally be sold for the same price... *cough*
[Epic 4G General] radar5:
thanks dthunder
[Epic 4G General] imdshiznit:
geez, you cant even make a comment without being attacked directly and being called "not too bright". the least you could do is just comment on my idea. grow up.

yes, the phone is better, but i just kind of felt that the $10 a month premium fee would be enough to cover the $50 difference in phone price.
[Epic 4G General] orateam:
wow, $250!

That was the nail in the coffin for me. Not paying $250 when i can easily get another Galaxy S (http://wireless.amazon.com/dp/B003TLMQG8) for $49. $200 more for the keyboard, FFC, and led flash. Nice features, but not worth $200 more IMO. I was hoping for $150 with a high of $200. I reserved one anyhow, but really unlikely for me now.
[Epic 4G General] robl45:
im assuming amazon, or wirefly or walmart, radioshack/bestbuy might have a betterprice. maybe one of them will throw in a giftcard or something to drop the price down to non rediculous levels.
[Epic 4G General] ben7337:
Okay that's so not a fair comparison. The Captivate is only $50 on places like Amazon Wireless after weeks of being out. Wait til September 14th or so on amazon and see what they have the Epic 4g for. I can pretty much guarantee that it will be $150 or less. This is assuming they follow the pricing patterns of the Captivate and Vibrant. I am guessing it will hit the $150 or $100 price point on the 2nd day of being released, so september 1st.
[Epic 4G General] quasi13:
Good idea - I tried last night, but couldn't figure it out. I guess I need a good night's sleep.
[Epic 4G General] TheBiles:
Plus 4G, dirt cheap plans, and much better coverage than AT&T. I personally think THAT is worth $200, and you'd definitely save over $200 over a 24-month contract.
[Epic 4G General] robl45:
you do realize that a very small portion of the country actually has 4G right? so higher price plus 10 extra fee is just a slap in the face to most people.
[Epic 4G General] hydralisk:
I prefer to think of it as a "$10 fee for Sprint phones that don't suck." And it's still a decent unlimited price. Especially if you get a discount, like me. Then it still works out to $70/mo.
[Epic 4G General] BeerChameleon:
Agreee With ya duh its only 50 bucks more id pay that for the keyboard so im getting the flash the front facing camera oh and the Notification led for free since i paying for the keyboard. So EPIC!!!! :) Goodbye slow htc touch pro 2. And 250 isnt bad at all i was worried it was going to be 300. i paid 250 for my htc touch when it first came out. And almost paid 350 for the tp2 but got it for 250 as well as son as it came out. This phone kills both of those and its just as expensive. :)
[Epic 4G General] Pops_G:
I hope Amazon has it for pre-order soon. They do not charge tax in California :) That would be like a $28 savings right there.
[Epic 4G General] ScientificOne:
I think it's more than that...if I'm not mistaken, they charge tax on the FULL PRICE of the phone...meaning you have to pay tax on pre-rebate amount. I hope I'm wrong, but I think that's how it was the last time I bought a phone...
[Epic 4G General] quasi13:
It looks like Sprint finally corrected the 8/20 date shown in my screenshot. I now only see 8/31 on the site.
[Epic 4G General] chipstar1:
I don't see any option for Sprint phones at amazon wireless...
[Epic 4G General] ben7337:
That's because Amazon Wireless is a beta site still and doesn't have Sprint. However Amazon.com does sell sprint phones and plans with them and sells them cheap. Just go to amazon.com, google the phone you want, and on the left where it shows categories, click cell phones. If you search for the samsung moment and click cell phones it shows that phone for $.01 with new contract. Enjoy.
[Epic 4G General] chipstar1:
Ben, good call. Thanks for the info.
[Epic 4G General] TheBiles:
But it is STILL cheaper than AT&T in the long run, and Sprint STILL has better 3G coverage.
[Epic 4G General] hydralisk:
Where's your math on that? I came up with an example in another thread. I'll quote myself here:
[Epic 4G General] chipstar1:
Add in the $36 dollar activation fee for AT&T and price wise, the two are comparable. Then consider the Galaxy S Pro vs a regular Galaxy S, The 4g (if its applicable in your area), and continuing to boycott AT&T's terrible network (important for me) and the winner is very clear. Obviously this may vary person to person.
[Epic 4G General] Dre3001:
Not to nitpick or anything but with sprints 80 plan that includes mobile tv as well as GPS.

ATT charges $10 a piece for both services.

So it should be $20 more added to the ATT plan to equal what you are getting with Sprint.

Sprint + Epic

$80/mo * 24 = $1920 + $250 = $2170 over a 2 year contract.

AT&T + Captivate:

$40/mo (minimum minutes) + $25/mo (2GB data vs Sprint's unlimited) + $20 (unlimited texts to match Sprint's) + $10 GPS + $10 Mobile TV= $105/mo.

$105*24 = $2520 + $50 (phone) = $2790 over a 2 year contract.

So when you add in the same features for both ATT vs Sprint. It is cheaper for Sprint even with the Epic costing more.
[Epic 4G General] hydralisk:
I didn't know that... but not everyone will want the TV service. GPS definitely. But even $10/mo makes a big difference. Thank you :D
[Epic 4G General] ImSoHungry:
Your forgetting that you get free turn by turn navigation from google on all android phones.

Sent from my Nextel™ using the XDA app
[Epic 4G General] chococrazy:
Your point?

We're comparing ,apples to apples (well sort of :P) ,features to features, and plans to plans.

At&T

Captivate

199.99 on At&t's website

Voice plan with 450 minutes 39.99

2gb of internet (NOT UNLIMITED!!!) 25.00

Early Nights and weekend's (required to make it the same as Sprint's) 8.99

Navigator 9.99

Oh and their-Regulatory Cost Recovery Fee 1.25 http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/legal/monthly-charges.jsp

Monthly Price of Plan without the phone or activation fee, and no insurance- 85.22 (keep in mind this has capped data)

Yearly Price (includes phone, not the activation fee though, and no insurance)

1,222.63

Add in the $36 activation fee

1,258.63

Sprint-

Epic 4g

249.99 on Sprint's website

Everything Data 450 minutes (most comparable plan)-69.99

Premium internet thingy- 10.00

Monthly Price without phone or activation fee, and no insurance- 79.99 (UNLIMITED DATA)

Yearly Price (includes phone, not activation fee, and no insurance)

1,209.87

Oh and if sprint has an activation fee please tell me? I've heard multiple prices ranging from $18 to $36
[Epic 4G General] smark72:
I would like to see some comparisons with a family plan with let's say three lines. I know my plan is 129.99 with 19.99 for the third line. Includes1500 any mobile to any mobile and unlimited data. I am too lazy to look up at&t's family plan. Is anyone familiar with their family plan?
[Epic 4G General] chococrazy:
I'll write it up for you give me a minute.

Now do you want three phones or one phone?

SPRINT-

249.99 (phone)

Everything Data family 1500 minutes- 129.99

$10 4g internet- 10

Third line- 19.99

Monthly Charge for JUST THAT- 149.98

Yearly charge, Includes phone, and JUST WHAT'S ABOVE- 2,049.75

2years- 3,849.51

At&t

Phone-199.99

Family Talk 1400- 89.99

Third line- 9.99

2gb data (SEEMS RIDICULOUS IF THIS IS SHARED)-25

Early nights and weekends-16.99

Navigator-9.99

Regulatory Cost Recovery Fee-1.25

Monthly Charge FOR JUST THAT- 153.21

Yearly charge includes phone, AND JUST WHAT'S ABOVE- 2,038.51

Here's the fun part

2 years- 3,877.03
[Epic 4G General] smark72:
Thanks. Does at&t even offer unlimited data plans. If not, then can't really compare them 100% evenly.
[Epic 4G General] chococrazy:
Nope they droppeod it whenh the Iphone 4 came out, and you get less minutes with at&t, and I don't think you get the free any mobile in the nation thing.
[Epic 4G General] chococrazy:
Oops forgot to say, At&t and sprint require you to buy the phones for everyone at the time of activation.
[Epic 4G General] bluesbro:
Do you guys know about the "Everything Plus Referral Program"? Pretty good discounts on plans unless you have a better corporate discount or something.

Guess I can not post links yet, you will have to cut and paste.

delivery.sprint.com/m/p/nxt/epc/epclanding.asp

employee e-mail: russ.s.mcguire@sprint.com

CID: 383
​

Information Source:

mcguireslaw.com/2008/07/16/psst-have-you-heard-about-everything-plus/
[Epic 4G General] ScientificOne:
EPRP is ok, but they don't allow any employer discounts...it's fairly easy to get a 20-27% discount on the ED plans (google is your friend) which comes out cheaper than EPRP...
[Epic 4G General] TheBiles:
Too bad that doesn't take into factor things like unlimited mobile to mobile with Sprint and their better coverage. Does the AT&T plan include unlimited texting too? Also, that 2GB of data is hilarious.
[Epic 4G General] chococrazy:
I know, It's impossible to get a 100% matchup because-

Activation fee (apparently sprint will waive it, as you shouldn't get an activation charge in the first place)

Recovery fee that At&t charges, can go up to 1.25

Data cap at&t has (ridiculous 2gb cap)

Different minutes on the family plan.
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mbobino:
Hi everyone

Most of you don't know me as I haven't contributed much to XDA (yet!) However since I'm not too good with developing and the such, I'd like to keep the wiki updated. In the past few days I've learned most of the syntax for MediaWiki and have cleaned up our page considerably. As I said in my other post, I'm not looking for a "Wiki Mod" title or position. Everyone here is free to edit the wiki as they please. If you are game with my motivation to keep the wiki up to date I could certainly use your help. What I need from you awesome devs is to let me know the name of your roms and when they are updated so I can reflect that information in the wiki.

Any ideas you have or anyone that wants to help me is welcome to do so.

If you have information or anything for that matter you want on the wiki but dont want to do yourself (We've all been there so no judgement from me :D) send me a PM or email me at my username @gmail.com.

The wiki is located here for anyone that wants it.

Edit: I understand that this has very little to do with Development (If anything to do with it at all) but please understand that some of us only stay in our own sub-forum and don't venture out very often.
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] theresthatguy:
How about a little vote?
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zenulator:
Add my AnyKernel thread and ZenKernel the first kernel to be released that is built from official htc heroc 2.6.29 source with overclock :)
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] c00ller:
This needs to be stickied in Q&A and General forums more than Dev IMO
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mbobino:
Added to wiki. It's under 2.1 Sense Based ROMs > Kernel Modifications
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] theresthatguy:
Should add this post to the rooting section http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=753910
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mbobino:
Added. Changed Official 2.1 RUU to rootable as well
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] marcelotorres:
Hi people!

There's a way to connect my Kaiser (AT&T Tilt using Nand Android), to USB on my pc?

I have tried many ways, but no one worked.

I like so much to use the Android on my Kaiser, this is very very very much better than WinMo!!!

I had to come back to WinMo,just because it doesn't connect with USB.

With my best regards!!!

Marcelo
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] dmnk89:
developer.android.com/sdk/win-usb.html
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] ghghgh14702:
I don't think you can if you are using Haret, on Nand you should be able to just plug it in then open notifications and click the usb notify then hit mount (haven't done nand yet as I am always screwing around with my system). If you are using Haret then you can't, I have tried it even using ext partitions that do not rely on the fat32. For some reason it will not mount the sd card partition no matter what I try, the closest I have gotten is the partition unmounting itself in android (which may be even farther away).
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] golfnz34me:
The only way I'm aware of that currently works is to use a widget from the Android Market called "Dual-Mount SD". It is NOT a free app, but it works. Just install the app, add the widget to your home screen, and click on the widget. You'll see a message that says "SD Split Activated", and then when you plug into your PC you can access the SD card as a disk drive.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] ghghgh14702:
is it possible to do this through a series of bash commands?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] orijonl:
You can also use Automount USB. It is ad-supported, but free. I haven't had any luck getting either to work with my Kaiser (nand, Sys on SD card/1fat32/2Ext2 partitions), but it works well on a full nand install.
[Android Themes] migueltherocker:
This took me FOREVER.

This is my first boot animation, and first ever contribution. This animation is for HVGA devices, but if you want it on WVGA, etc. just change the desc.txt to your screen dimensions.

Here's a .gif of it, except the color slides at the end loop until your device boots.

Seizuredroid!

Thanks to everyone in #mytouchslide for putting up with my complaints about getting this thing to work, and thanks to Six6Sicks for fixing it for me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpVNzvm1yNU Watch it in action! It's muuuch brighter in person though.
[Android Themes] lbsk8addict:
pretty awesome haha
[Android Themes] migueltherocker:
Thanks :D it took a lot of work to learn how to do it, future ones shouldn't take so long now that I know how to actually do it.
[Android Themes] GLa'DOS:
Looks quite good for your first one ;)
[Android Themes] migueltherocker:
Thanks (; its not my first animation, just my first one for a bootanimation and getting it to actually work is what took me forever.
[Android Themes] migueltherocker:
Update coming soon for other resolutions.
[Android Themes] Andyt95:
I tried flashing in RA-hero-1.6.2 and got the error

E:No signature (38 files)

E:Verification Failed

Installation aborted.

Help?
[Android Themes] migueltherocker:
Don't flash it, adb push it to /data/local or /system/media , or put it there with root explorer.
[myTouch 3G Slide Android Development] matt897:
Trying to root your phone and get a custom recovery on it and a custom rom?

Here are some important links needed to complete the task.

Although it sounds complicated, the process isn't all bad so long as you follow the steps in the proper order and exactly as written.

Step 1: Root - http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php?title=Full_Update_Guide_-_HTC_Slide DO NOT TRY TO FLASH CUSTOM ROM YET - ONLY ROOT THE PHONE

Step 2: Flash an Engineering build. The engineering build downgrades you to a test build that allows you to easily boot into the custom recovery mode at a LATER time. Without this build after a custom rom has been installed it is VERY difficult to enter recovery mode to upgrade or change anything at a later date. TRUST ME.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=703076

Step 3: Re-root - The engineering build is not rooted by default. You must re-root the phone again to prep for the new recovery software and the new custom rom. - http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php?title=Full_Update_Guide_-_HTC_Slide

Step 4: Flash - Finally you can flash whatever you please! - The above link in step three covers how to flash Cyanogenmod - Please refer to your custom rom's instructions to make sure you don't BRICK your phone!!!!!

Sticky?
[myTouch 3G Slide Android Development] HebrewToYou:
Seriously? You needed to create a new thread for this? :rolleyes:

Three letters: meh
[myTouch 3G Slide Android Development] matt897:
Even though its not mind blowing for the more experienced people on here, it really isn't broken down anywhere
[myTouch 3G Slide Android Development] HebrewToYou:
Uhhhhh....

First post:

Your guide doesn't even bother to mention that you need to upgrade your radio after downgrading...

Oy vey.
[myTouch 3G Slide Android Development] stoneyjonez:
And you really think this should be stickied?
[myTouch 3G Slide Android Development] dominiiking:
All hes trying to do is help no need to get on his case about what he missed or didnt..
[myTouch 3G Slide Android Development] fermunky:
I've NEVER had to "re-root" after flashing Eng build...
[myTouch 3G Slide Android Development] falken98:
Yeah, there is no reason to reroot before flashing a custom ROM. That is just a waste of time, you are going to overwrite what you just did as soon as you flash the ROM. :D
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jgarozzo:
I thought I read Gingerbread (3.0) will bring the feature of app and data backup? I know any feature of 3.0 is a rumor but has anyone else heard of this?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Minjin:
http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~ssanty/cgi-bin/eightball.cgi
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jgarozzo:
Very Clever
[Off-topic] :
You guys think I should go for it?
[Off-topic] :
Err... maybe they were today?
[Off-topic] captainstu72:
Sure, whats the worst that can happen? - I hope you have been runnign around your block to get some fitness :p
[Off-topic] JimJam707:
Is it (real) football or 'football'
[Off-topic] captainstu72:
American Football (I guess)
[Epic 4G General] Archon810:
20 minutes ago: http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/0...ease-date-for-samsung-epic-4g-is-august-31st/
[Epic 4G General] TheBiles:
I confirm. I just got their email. Where the hell is the off-contract price?
[Epic 4G General] boomerbubba:
The way I read it, you add back in the contract discounts to get the off-contract total: $250 + $150 + $100 = $500.
[Epic 4G General] k2thejx5:
Got damn! maybe i can get a cheap one from craigslist :o
[Epic 4G General] TheBiles:
Yeah, the reservation site confirmed the $500. I was just confused because the email for the EVO listed the MSRP and all of the discounts and not just a $350 "2-year price."
[Epic 4G General] robl45:
sprint makes me laugh, seriously, they have to have the cheapest prices in order to get customers that can't afford anything else because they are so boneheaded that they drive every other customer away. 250 dollars for this phone? on a 2 year contract? Seriously? I feel like its April Fools or something, the Evo was 200 and this thing should be too. Oh wait, how much is the droid 2? Yea, not 250 dollars.
[Epic 4G General] stroths:
Here's the image from my email this morning. I plan on getting one for my wife since she likes a keyboard coming from a blackberry. I'll be sticking with my Evo
[Epic 4G General] nismology:
Taken from another message board.....perspective...
[Epic 4G General] robl45:
yea, problem is, sprint needs to think about the fact that 2 of these things is 700 dollars before you get the rebates. lot of money for a family to spend.
[Epic 4G General] Andy S:
My theory on the price is that they've looked at how many smart phones are in short supply right now and decided they can launch this at a bit more money and reduce their subsidies cost, while still selling reasonable volumes.

I called a Best Buy yesterday, and their phone VRU even had a message saying that if you are calling for iPhone 4's, EVO 4Gs, Droid X, or Droid Incredibles, that they are out of stock.

So demand of high end smart phones is high enough that they've looked at the supply and demand curve and decided that they can at least initially have this phone for a bit more than the market point for the rest of these phones is currently. I suspect 3 months from now, it will have dropped down to $199.

Over a two year contract that's going to cost you $2150 including the phone (regular price: ($79*24 mo) + $250), as a percentage, the extra $50 is pretty nominal. (2.3% of the contract).
[Epic 4G General] imdshiznit:
haha thanks! looking at it that way makes me feel a little better :)
[Epic 4G General] hydralisk:
I've applied your logic to the $50 Captivate (from amazon).

Sprint + Epic

$80/mo * 24 = $1920 + $250 = $2170 over a 2 year contract.

AT&T + Captivate:

$40/mo (minimum minutes) + $25/mo (2GB data vs Sprint's unlimited) + $20 (unlimited texts to match Sprint's) = $85/mo.

$85*24 = $2040 + $50 (phone) = $2090. $80 less than the Epic over a 2 year contract.
[Epic 4G General] Kleany:
capatitive wasnt original $50.00. maybe when the epic is out, there have it cheaper with amazon or something, who knows.