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[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Blueman101:
So i finally decided to root (hurray), but i'd like to remain on stock. All i really want to change is the notification bar using a metamorph. Will this work? All the metamorphs say they will work with CM or Modaco or whatever but none say stock? I'm new to rooting (i've been perfectly content with stock up until now) and just had this question thanks.

Oh one more question while im at it. I've heard the term nandroid alot, but all i seem to find on that is the Rom Manager app? Can anyone shed some light on this? I know its a backup but i don't know how to make one or what to use to restore them.

-Cheers
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] apratomo:
I think morph only works with deodexed rom, I'm still searching this as well. I'm in the same boat as yours, still in stock rom, stock recovery but rooted.

Nandroid backup accessible from custom recovery
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] djmcnz:
nandroid is a nand (memory) backup tool that works from recovery. It essentially takes a snapshot of your system that you can restore at a later date.

To theme/morph your phone you will need a deodexed rom... there are few around, including mine (Kang-o-rama 0.9). My later rom (v1.0) is based on CM6 so be aware of the differences.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Blueman101:
well i was looking at doing that simple kinda one click root app, then do the rom manager. but how do you resotre a backup from rom manager if your rom breaks or everything FC's?
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RogerPodacter:
you bot into recovery and restore your nand backup if for some reason you totally trash your working ROM, whcih i just did 2 days ago! but if you having a working ROM and just want to flash another ROM, using ROM manager is a gift from god. its very easy to use it:)

to answer your question, yes you have to be using a deodexed ROM. and there is a stock froyo ROM that is deodexed, there's a thread dedicated to it somewhere around here. just flash that ROM and theme away. the first thing i always do is switch to a black status bar with meta morph. i finally have a theme zip file with things exactly how i want, my fav circle battery icons, fav wifi icons, pure black status bar. it sits on my sd card and i always flash it immediately:D.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Blueman101:
but does rom manager use nandroid? im a bit lost on this. When i make a backup in rom manager is that a nandroid? do i boot into recovery and restore that backup from rom manager?

Thanks for helping, you wouldnt happen to know which rom that is, that looks stock?
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RogerPodacter:
Yes ROM manager uses nand backup. It just automates it for you. I don't have the link to the ROM but it is stock with busy box, deodexed, etc. You'll have to browse the threads, its near the first few pages.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RogerPodacter:
The thread I was thinking about is titled:

Re: [ROM] FRF91 Stock, Deodexed, rooted, busybox, battery %, TB alert/wake/unlock 8/4/10
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Blueman101:
thanks man, do i just boot to clockwork recovery once ive made a backup and restore a backup if anything goes wrong during flashing?
[EVO 4G Android Development] theillustratedlife:
ozzeh is teasing for an exploit that removes security on the shipping SPL, allowing you to flash unsigned images. It is expected to release tomorrow.

As Matt clarified in this thread, it will require a rooted phone. Though they expect users to be able to take OTAs without locking themselves out of the phone after applying unrEVOked forever, the exploit cannot yet be applied to the 2.2 OTA.
[EVO 4G Android Development] bighov:
wow fingers cross lol
[EVO 4G Android Development] rjmjr69:
Nice find can't wait to see this.
[EVO 4G Android Development] Halle923:
Here's to hoping
[EVO 4G Android Development] meinstein1987:
So that means root and nand unlock?
[EVO 4G Android Development] rjmjr69:
Forever lmao
[EVO 4G Android Development] 063_XOBX:
Just forever or forever and ever?
[EVO 4G Android Development] marc.ientilucci:
is tonight now? its 4:41am in NY, lol... to sleep or not to sleep
[EVO 4G Android Development] 063_XOBX:
It's technically morning so I would assume tonight as in the night of the 10th
[EVO 4G Android Development] marc.ientilucci:
kiiinda what i figured... maybe their out of Cali and its 2am (still kind of tonight lol) on a side note. i have never rooted but have paid attention to the progress of rooting the Evo since i got mine (Google I/O Evo). I have updated to the OTA 2.2... is this gunna work for me?
[EVO 4G Android Development] 063_XOBX:
2.2 is the latest OTA so why bother making a new unrevoked if not for that ;)
[EVO 4G Android Development] pestilencec11:
reserved... I will donate to that..
[EVO 4G Android Development] joeykrim:
good questions.

looks like its not an eng spl, so no fastboot.

it does turn security off, so no signature check on PC36IMG.zip files for us meaning we could create our own PC36IMG.zip files to flash any partition we've seen previous PC36IMG.zip files flash, which is quite a few more than flash_image gives us access to but NOT as many as fastboot allows.

fastboot > PC36IMG.zip > flash_image - in order of access to partitions on the phone

it is definitely a step in the right direction!
[EVO 4G Android Development] Dougie2187:
But if you can turn off security, and flash any PC36IMG.zip, you can theoretically just use this spl to flash the PC36IMG.zip from Toasts original root method. Then work from there to get to a fully rooted 2.1 with fastboot then.

Then flash a 2.2, and you could be back where you were with full root.

Or am I missing something?
[EVO 4G Android Development] agonzalez1010:
**********

I think this would be the way to go to get out of the hboot .93 block. Good suggestion...:D
[EVO 4G Android Development] -shift-:
sounds about right lol. it's a good way to get full root though for those who did the 2.2 ota update.
[EVO 4G Android Development] d0cx:
this looks promising. :)
[EVO 4G Android Development] Daft Punk:
subscribed
[EVO 4G Android Development] pscalett:
Interested to see what comes of this.
[EVO 4G Android Development] r546:
interested
[EVO 4G Android Development] nrvkil:
Sweet, I was kicking myself that I updated before reading into the fine points of rooting. Coming from the iPhone jailbreak world this is new to me. Down with Apple!!!

Sent from Evo
[EVO 4G Android Development] Joey SR:
Completely new to android. Cant wait to root my evo and let the fun begin
[EVO 4G Android Development] b0ricua:
The thread I have been waiting for....PROGRESS being shown! Woo hoo!!!!
[EVO 4G Android Development] maxcala:
can't wait....ZzzzzzZZZzzzzz
[EVO 4G Android Development] Halle923:
Any word yet on the availability of the method or instructions??
[EVO 4G Android Development] Phederico:
So, I'm a new EVO user and have become quite overwhelmed with all the methods, links apps, discussions regarding the Root methodology for the Evo. I'm wondering if anyone can provide me the BEST link to an instructional that might use the unrevoked "easy" method that I can review? I would greatly appreciate any input as this posting is good news granted I'm looking forward to learning the root/rom/hack methods for Android.
[EVO 4G Android Development] walkingcorpse:
Are you on the new 2.2 update? or still on 2.1?
[EVO 4G Android Development] Phederico:
Unfortunately on 2.2. Took the OTA the day I got the phone...Apparently no matter how much reading I did, I completely overlooked the fact that there wasn't any exploit for Froyo yet. whoops!
[EVO 4G Android Development] walkingcorpse:
Well, nothing to report yet, but don't worry. The genius dev's will come up with something soon...they always do.
[EVO 4G Android Development] Halle923:
Any news on unrevoked forever other than "See you tonight."?
[EVO 4G Android Development] Phederico:
Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. I'll keep my eyes peeled on this post, I've just installed the XDA developer app so I don't miss a beat.
[EVO 4G Android Development] edufur:
I wonder if Sprint and HTC are worried right now... biting their nails perhaps. I, for one, am mostly interested in once and for all getting rid of bloatware.
[EVO 4G Android Development] meinstein1987:
Yeah I'm interested in this too keep up the hard work and I wish I knew or could help with the forward moment of this. Be interesting to learn how to make create and develope time and new things .... any one have any links to help the learning curve or some one can make tutorial on how
[EVO 4G Android Development] xcopmanx2:
This would be amazing. Definitely would save the a@@ of all those who jumped to .3 and those that are on .6 and never rooted before.
[EVO 4G Android Development] mmastrac:
I'll clarify this a bit. This will require a pre-rooted phone, but you'll be able to safely install any update and get root after any OTA by flashing an unsigned zip on your sdcard with a recovery of your choice inside.

If you have currently installed 2.2, we have no root for you yet. We've been working on this for the last month and haven't looked into rooting 2.2 properly yet. This is far more important to the EVO android community: no more huge downloads to fully root, no more PRI reversions and no more worrying about OTAs if you are on stock.

2.2 root is coming eventually as well, but we're only human. :)
[EVO 4G Android Development] MadFlava:
Its not more important to those of us that's Evo came with 2.2.
[EVO 4G Android Development] Halle923:
Wait...so just so were all clear...if we did the OTA 2.2 update and didnt previously have root or our phones came with 2.2 than we are still stuck even with this new unrevoked forever?
[EVO 4G Android Development] aldojr:
Who are you? Just to make sure people know because that's a big statement.
[EVO 4G Android Development] mmastrac:
You are still stuck, but you were warned repeatedly at the time

(by us and others) that you would lose root. We'll eventually get to it, but no timeline available.
[EVO 4G Android Development] mmastrac:
mmastrac from unrevoked
[EVO 4G Android Development] aldojr:
So then we need to change the name of this thread because its getting a lot of folks hopes up. Unrevoked Forever for rooted phones coming out. :confused::confused:
[EVO 4G Android Development] Halle923:
I feel that a lot of very false information has been supplied here...what EXACTLY does the new Unrevoked Forever do than???
[EVO 4G Android Development] aldojr:
I really don't know because if your rooted then don't accept the OTA and your good. I guess is if they do accept it won't break root. That's my thoughts. But again if your rooted just DON'T accept the new ota.
[EVO 4G Android Development] MadFlava:
Well, props to you for supplying half information and getting everyone excited for nothing. Im sure the people that are pre 2.2 will be very excited :rolleyes:

My Evo had 2.2 on it when I picked it up at the store. Ive had it about 3 days. Maybe if new Evos are coming with 2.2, it will make the situation a little more urgent.
[EVO 4G Android Development] Halle923:
Well said.
[EVO 4G Android Development] pongoface:
Maybe if you and other 2.2 users create a bounty for rooting 2.2 over in the development thread things might happen. Money talks bs walks. You have to understand that most people are rooted prior to 2.2 and the smart ones did not take the upgrade knowing they would lose root. So why waste their time looking for a 2.2 root. I know new evos are coming with 2.2 and maybe just maybe the root will come. Bountys seem to get things done. Just a thought. Good day
[EVO 4G Android Development] theillustratedlife:
1) I started this thread last night to share with you guys what ozzeh had shared on reddit. I didn't know at the time that it required a rooted phone. It sounded like something that would interest this community, so I posted here.

2) Don't be a ****. These guys voluntarily help you enhance your hardware. They receive nothing in return except a bit of goodwill and Internet notoriety. Nobody is obligated to help you enhance your device. You bought it unrooted; it will stay unrooted until someone is nice enough to invest the time and resources packaging up an exploit that installs root. Show some patience and appreciation.
[EVO 4G Android Development] freeza:
I can't help but notice the references to Shrek the unrevoked team has done!
[EVO 4G Android Development] pongoface:
Urgentcy = Money aka Muuhhlaaaahhhh aka dineros aka dough lolololol
[EVO 4G Android Development] agonzalez1010:
******

That would be a fair statement to say to folks who've had the phone for a while, but that statement would be unfair for folks who just either purchased the phone within the past few days and had a "Best Buy or Radio Shack" employee run the update on their phone or the warranty issue where the repaired phone or swapped out phone came with froyo stocked.

Now I understand that all of this work is being done on spare time without making a dime and it takes time, but for people who are just tuning in with their new EVOs, they want in on the root action and can't because of unfair assumptions being made on how their phones got froyo installed is not fair.
[EVO 4G Android Development] mmastrac:
I'm terribly sorry that the stuff we do in our spare time to fix the limitations that HTC put on a device you chose don't meet with your expectations.

Sent from my Nexus One
[EVO 4G Android Development] adeyo:
Agree!!

These guys do awesome work -all voluntary!! We don't need to get all pissy b/c this isn't root for 2.2 ..."YET" as they are working on it. I for one agree, this is bigger as it will enable us to have an exploit for each update to come! (Gingerbread is already due out (from Google) in October)!!! I for one haven't rooted yet, but haven't accepted any updates yet either :) ...this is making serious ground. Thanks!!!!
[EVO 4G Android Development] barbiedollish:
Ok so this will fully root and unlock NAND for those who haven't done so? Or do we have to be fully rooted with NAND unlocked already? I just wanna make sure before I start doing backflips and what not.
[EVO 4G Android Development] meinstein1987:
It would be nice if there were tutorials to help bring all the community in to the process of helping along and also developing. Would be interesting
[EVO 4G Android Development] Halle923:
This is only relevant if you have an ALREADY rooted device.
[EVO 4G Android Development] Varo210:
LAUGHING! Really hard right now. BTW, thanks for the update on what your group is working on.
[EVO 4G Android Development] barbiedollish:
I'm already rooted but I kept running into too many problems fully rooting and unlocking NAND so I said **** it. So I'm hoping this will unlock NAND for folks like me.
[EVO 4G Android Development] jerryparid:
Nand unlocking is already so simple. Unrevoked is make this process as easy as iPone unlock.
[EVO 4G Android Development] barbiedollish:
I thought it was too but I could never get it to work lol. It didn't help that I ALWAYS have problems with adb no matter what. I'm really really excited about unrevoked offering a way to unlock nand for retards like me. :)
[EVO 4G Android Development] Jim M:
I for one would like to thank Matt and all the others that hack these toys for us, no complaints from me.

Whiners :shaking head no: just be patient.
[EVO 4G Android Development] r546:
I have no demands from the devs or the community (it would be unreasonable to have any). However, I've been really hoping for a 2.2 root since I took the OTA update on purpose, not knowing that Google would have a serious bug in it (audio streaming). Who would honestly expect that? Now Google has screwed one of the biggest features of my phone, and waiting for root or another update from HTC is all I can do.
[EVO 4G Android Development] marc.ientilucci:
*Plays* Smashing Pumpkins - Tonight Tonight
[EVO 4G Android Development] Daft Punk:
I was wishing for a root method for 2.2 OTA..... :(

Its coming i know......
[EVO 4G Android Development] akycia:
demanding "fairness". Like little children, they want NOW, and when they don't get it immediately,they get impatient and petulant - lashing out at those who they think are denying them their right to happiness.

... be patient and wait
[EVO 4G Android Development] gmanvbva:
+1

10 char
[EVO 4G Android Development] dis39tif:
I appreciate all the work you guys do! Is there any donation spot for the unrevoked team?

I have two questions:

a) Is this restricted only to the unrevoked 3 method or does simpleroot/toast's method work also?

b) You say that this means no more PRI reversions? So does that mean if we're rooted on 2.1 (with 1.34 PRI) and apply unrevoked forever and update, we'll be on 1.40 PRI?

Thanks!
[EVO 4G Android Development] ginjeet:
Right on!
[EVO 4G Android Development] sk63:
a) Likely any rooted phone, aka you have the Super User app installed, will work with this method.

b) This won't directly update PRI 1.34 to 1.40 but I believe it should now be possible to find a way to do it. I imagine the process will work like this, a dev will run unrevoked forever on a 1.40 PRI phone, then flash the engineering bootloader minus the rcdata.img part that causes us to be downgraded to 1.34. This couldn't be done before because the bootloader had to be signed otherwise it wouldn't flash.

From there extract the 1.40 PRI data from a partition dump. Create a flashable image that then all of us 1.34 peeps can flash to get back to 1.40.
[EVO 4G Android Development] mmastrac:
Yeah, once you are SOFF you won't need the ENG bootloader to flash stuff. If you really want some of the advanced functionality, you can zip the hboot img by itself as PC36IMG.ZIP and flash from the SHIP+SOFF hboot.

The fun part (and danger) of SOFF is the ability to flash anything from hboot without a signature.

Sent from my Nexus One
[EVO 4G Android Development] fldash:
So will we be able to rid ourselves of ENG HBOOT, and go back to SHIP+SOFF with this method?
[EVO 4G Android Development] mmastrac:
Depends on what you need. If you want access to all the advanced functionality of ENG, you may want to flash just the hboot. If you only want to flash stuff with nand unlocked, just stay stock with SOFF.

Sent from my Nexus One
[EVO 4G Android Development] sk63:
Exactly, I was just pointing out that your method won't magically update those of us with 1.34 to 1.40 unless you guys have done more work than I thought, and cracking a bootloader already seems like quite a lot of effort.
[EVO 4G Android Development] ivanxov3rx:
I want to be really clear with what is being said here.

First: I have an Evo, first day release, with Android 2.2 version .3, I have been rooted before with unrevoked 3, but my battery life was really bad and I decided to go back to non-root because I thought I was going to send my phone in for a replacement, the charger port is bent. I do still have the superuser permissions app, but root apps no longer work. I want to have root again to be able to wireless tether and screenshot, but I don't want full root because I want to keep all my data as it is. I don't want to have to delete it all. I rooted my first time after the last OTA before froyo. I don't want to flash custom roms or any of that. I live in a moderately well covered 4G area and want to tether other devices to my Evo and my school is full of iPhone users and I would like to offer them Tethering just to show off. I love the phone as it is. I just don't want to pay for Sprint to allow me to tether my phone when it could just be done for free. Thank you so much in advance.
[EVO 4G Android Development] Pbrussell:
Ill throw 22 bucks to someone who roots 2.2 and if we get enough ppl (which there will be) that ll be quite the score..... Otherwise I'm sure we could negotiate a number if not many ppl are down with that..... Strictly hypothetical if my last statement was against forum rules ofcourse :)
[EVO 4G Android Development] xlGmanlx:
i am thinking i should have rooted my wife's evo even though she wanted it stock. I could have just updated with stock ROM's rooted. Not that i think she will care, but just the fact that there is the option makes more sense to me now, oh well. At least i am fully rooted and full nand haha
[EVO 4G Android Development] joeykrim:
I understand the closed source nature of all your releases so I apologize if this question pries too deep.

From the posts in this thread, I've gathered a few different notions, the most flexible would be this new method turns off the signature check on any SPL (hboot_0.79.0000.img, hboot_0.93.0000.img or a future release)?

Or does it essentially overwrite the hboot on the phone with an unrevoked version which has signature checking turned off?
[EVO 4G Android Development] poolphreak:
wow.. wow... sounds like you drove up to McDonalds and are ordering a meal and having it your way!

You say "I want to be really clear with what is being said here." ... is this because the developer that gets assigned to create your custom project for free for you, won't have any problems understanding what EXACTLY he should create just for you?

hehe... that's a strong 1st post there. I don't know about anyone else, but I can't wait to see your next request:D

On a side note, I would like to thank all the hard working developers here that do all this in their spare time for next to nothing or nothing in return. Rest assured that there is a bunch of us out there, that appreciate all that you do for us and are patient as well. Also to all the coummunity members that contribute as well.

The people that demand, whine, *****, hate and constantly nag.... you'll find those people anywhere, so pay them no mind! Don't let them bring ya down!:)
[EVO 4G Android Development] SilverZero:
That's Burger King.
[EVO 4G Android Development] Smac61:
Wouldn't this be unrevoked forever 2?

Those of us with the permanently screwed up WiMax would be unrevoked forever 1...

Just sayin'
[EVO 4G Android Development] PlankLongBeard:
LoL... that was a Epic! :)

Aside from that, looks like big 'ol Google will be showing off they're lil gingerbread project and some more stuff. Go to engadget or gizmodo, not Mich has been said, but.. who knows now a days. Google seems to have really taken android a top the world.

Sent From Your Grandmothers HTC Evo via Telepathic 4G
[EVO 4G Android Development] iikon_69:
I just ordered a white EVO for my wife last friday and it was delivered on Monday and had 2.1 on it. I had been checking every single day 10-15 times a day to see when they would be in stock. Finally last thursday they had them in stock and I ordered one, checked 2-3 hrs later and they were sold out. I think the mistake that ppl are making is letting the BB and sprint associates get ahold of the phone before you get your hands on it. While you are in the store and they are stting up the phone and what not they probably update the damn thing while you are there which blows your chances of root. Not sure if they are really shipping with it or if the ppl behind the counter are upgrading it. All I know is I jsut received one yesterday from BB in the mail and it had 2.1 on it.
[EVO 4G Android Development] ginjeet:
There is no lack of appreciation out there for any efforts to make our devices more flexible, and subject to our own curious desires.

However, if you are who you say you are, then I believe you are of adequate intelligence and common sense, and know that anything less than full disclosure is tantamount to being a circus act.

A slight disclaimer, regarding the status of the product in relation to the 2.2 OTA update should have been mentioned, if in fact this is the case.

Even small print somewhere obvious would be acceptable.

If buzz is the objective, you have it. If support and donations are the goal, you may find credibility, and the future lack of, does not justify intentional non-disclosures.

At any rate, thanks to you all who give your spare time. And to those who allow our freedom of speech to be practiced here.