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[G2 and Desire Z General] Arcadia310:
They will no doubt show off the G2, but I believe they will show off something that is WAY better than the G2.

It seems like HTC doesn't put their cutting edge stuff into T-Mobile phones. Look at the MyTouch Slide, it's like it got the left overs from the last generation of phones and it's all T-Mobile could get. I think HTC will show off a new screen technology to compete with SAMOLED and a new superphone that destroys everything currently out, but it will be for Verizon or Sprint.

Even though Sprint barely has any more market share than T-Mobile they market the hell out of their products. The Evo still has commercials showing every day, and even though it came out several months back it's still cutting edge technology.

You saw MyTouch Slide commercials for like a week. Now all you see are these deals for family plans because T-Mobile is desperate to get more customers. They need to realize that the future is with smart phones, no one really wants these super old slide phones with 3 inch screens and 2MP cameras. I don't think HTC wants to put their best products with T-Mobile because they won't get marketed well and they don't have the install base to really sell it well. A lot of T-Mobiles customers have no money and that's why they are with T-Mobile. The people who really want to spend $500 on new phones twice a year are with other carriers.

Wish I knew more about the business side of the phone market with how certain carriers get certain phones etc. I just don't see T-Mobile investing in a cutting edge phone with technology that no one else will have. The best they can do for now is the G2, then we have rumors of a super evo headed to Sprint/Verizon, Verizon getting the iPhone 5 in 2011 etc.
[G2 and Desire Z General] j.books:
couple things i'm thinking about the sept 15th event

1. it's an htc event, but the G2 will be t-mobile branded. so I question whether we'll be getting a G2 release announcement at that event. but I assume t-mo can't announce a release date for the G2 until HTC officially launches the Vision, so maybe t-mo will announce announce release date shortly after the event.

2. credible rumors say the G2 will be available sept 29th. that's exactly 2 weeks after sept 15th. isn't that kind of a short time period between announcement and sale? maybe in the Apple world that would be normal, but outside of Apple it seems to me things are announced much more in advance. but hopefully I'm wrong.

I really don't now anything about how product launches but I'm just SO ready for a new phone and am getting antsy
[G2 and Desire Z General] mulletcutter:
maybe it be a little lighter then the slide, that thing is like schfifty five pounds. but this weekend will hold all our answer.
[G2 and Desire Z General] aaronkt:
why this weekend?
[G2 and Desire Z General] funkeee:
So is the pre-order date going to be the 15th?
[G2 and Desire Z General] mulletcutter:
I forgot what day it was, ok next weekend
[G2 and Desire Z General] SupremeBeaver:
I don't think you all should get your hopes too high. This event will be held in London. Why would HTC announce a phone that's scheduled for release in America in London? The same thing happened back in February at the Mobile World Congress. Everyone was hoping to see the EVO there, but it was held in Barcelona (Europe), and they ended up announcing European phones (Desire, Legend).

Im fairly certain HTC will announce the Desire HD and the Desire Z both for European markets only. The Desire Z is essentially the G2, but it will still be a different phone.

Im really looking forward to hearing the specs of the Desire HD though. I hope it has this new GPU.
[G2 and Desire Z General] BillsGate:
Bear in mind that not every XDA member is an American.
[G2 and Desire Z General] acejoker25000:
True but I don't see anything about an over seas launch just yet everything mentions America and Americans so I doubt anything will be announced about it over seas
[G2 and Desire Z General] sheek360:
the tegra 2 processors are definitely in our near future in the form of the mytouch hd... its just that the device is ugly looking....
[G2 and Desire Z General] makoute:
It would have been great if that processor was in the G2 like it should be.
[G2 and Desire Z General] sheek360:
I agree.... but who knows. Maybe this 800mhz processor has a few tricks up its sleeve
[G2 and Desire Z General] schriss:
That's a nice phone! :D

I assume it's not fully open on the pics? Kinda strange looking mechanism...

Can you tilt the screen like on Touch Pro2?
[G2 and Desire Z General] Monty Burns:
problem is, it doesn't "step up" in specs. Its no diferent to the HD2 (much smaller screen and with a keyboard) and how old is that now? A year?

edit: Assuming ofc, they are the correct specs.
[G2 and Desire Z General] j.books:
how do you figure that? HD2 only has the 1st gen snapdragon and less ROM and RAM.
[G2 and Desire Z General] androidtoy09:
because that makes him feels better about his HD2, maybe? lol..it's natural thing. ;)
[G2 and Desire Z General] Monty Burns:
Don't judge us all by your low standards. Actually, whilst the HD2 is a spanking phone it misses one VITAL component for me, a keyboard. So actually, your wrong. I would love to change to this if it was worth it and according to the specs linked, its not:

And these are the ONLY specs that have been linked that i'm aware of so, please show me where it details the ROM or RAM or even WHICH Snap it has... apart from it runs at 1ghz.

I would love you both to prove me wrong, really I would because I need a keyboard! Of course, something more than a random post by someone claiming to be an insider would be nice, you know, official. So please, judging by the specs linked, show me where i'm wrong or have missed something.

edit:

but then are those specs to be believed when we see THESE. So, I go back to my original post (full circle), no one seems to have ANYTHING firm on this device yet and its all pure guess work.
[G2 and Desire Z General] acejoker25000:
Those are old specs we know now there is no sense and no 1ghz processor but I'm hoping at least 512mb rom and ram maybe 1gb rom would be excellent

Also no amoled screens slcd or something like that

Amoled had been ditched because of back order issues
[G2 and Desire Z General] bfletcher6147:
According to HTC 4GB ROM 512 RAM. http://www.htc.com/us/products/t-mobile-g2#tech-specs
[G2 and Desire Z General] acejoker25000:
Press release says 4gb internal memory I don't see why they would put a 4gb rom and 4gb internal memory unless they mean the internal memory is the rom and not actual usable memory like the vibrant had for instance
[G2 and Desire Z General] bfletcher6147:
Ive heard that 2GB of the 4GB is set aside for OS and apps. Not sure if that matter sense you can put apps on the sd card on Froyo. We'll soon find out
[G2 and Desire Z General] acejoker25000:
True but I absolutely hate the way it is done on froyo apps on the fat 32 partition of an sdcard is horrible I would much rather have tons of rom or partition my sdcard
[G2 and Desire Z General] Monty Burns:
Fellas, read the next link. Slower processor, smaller screen. Everything else the same(?). And why do HTC think that a 5meg camera is sufficient when the higher benchmark seems to be 8? I wonder if it will be able to record 720p:confused: (I know it has the pixels, but then so does the HD2)

Thanks B. Very uninteresting read ..... sadly. So, still on the hunt for an "upgrade" from the HD2 - with a keyboard- , maybe the Galaxy S Pro(?) or the Epic(?). Although from what i've seen these are only slight step ups, hardly worth a years worth of progress in my opinion.
[G2 and Desire Z General] SupremeBeaver:
I wouldn't call the Galaxy S a slight step up. The CPU and GPU are no doubt far superior to the Snapdragon. Not only in power, but power efficiency (Hummingbird uses 45nm while Snapdragon uses 65nm).

The screen technology is also far superior. Super Amoled is brilliant. You have to see it to understand.
[G2 and Desire Z General] bfletcher6147:
The G2 uses the MSM7230 CPU which uses 45nm. That and the clock speed at 800Mhz should definitely allow the G2 to have good battery life.

http://www.qualcomm.com/products_services/chipsets/snapdragon.html
[G2 and Desire Z General] SupremeBeaver:
wasn't he talking about the HD2, not the G2.
[G2 and Desire Z General] bfletcher6147:
my mistake
[G2 and Desire Z General] Monty Burns:
Yes I was, but from a selfish point of view, i'm not even slightly interested in battery life, so a slower clock speed etc don't interest me. I would rather the device run faster!
[G2 and Desire Z General] skulk3r:
bit disappointed with the Android 2.1...

http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/15/htc-desire-z-is-the-qwerty-slider-your-androids-been-waiting-fo/

they ditched the hinge too apparently
[G2 and Desire Z General] bfletcher6147:
Ditched what hinge?? its apparently the same Z hinge on the G2. Same phone. different color and software.
[G2 and Desire Z General] SupremeBeaver:
You guys might want to check Engadget! The Desire HD and Z have been announced!
[G2 and Desire Z General] imfloflo:
More information about spec and on android.modaco.com thanks to @PauloBrien .

Really want to now if the Desire Z is the same as the Tmobile G2
[G2 and Desire Z General] ddotpatel:
Yeah, looks exactly the same as G2,.... but with SenseUI

EDIT... Hmmmm..... 1.5 GB storage,.... Not the 4gig I was hoping for.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Monty Burns:
Desire HD is the small step up from the HD2 now that winmob has died. Apart from 720p and 8meg camera, not a great leap forward.

......

still nothing usefull (for me!) with a keyboard from HTC then.

edit: sorry, whats the benefit of Slcd? Same resolution.
[G2 and Desire Z General] SupremeBeaver:
Actually it is far better than the HD2. Engadget reports it has the 8255 Snapdragon processor which is even better than the G2 processor! It has the new GPU and runs at 1Ghz. It also runs at 45nm and has 768 MB ram.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Monty Burns:
It does? I've just done a "find" and used 8255 and come up with nothing on that Engadget page - this is far from perfect though - and it only describes it as:

Where are you seeing the next model of processor?

RAM? Yeah and? I'm a serious power user of Winmob and i never run out of RAM with the HD2's.... although extra RAM is of course, always welcome.

I'll refer the honourable gentleman to my previous statement re 45nm/battery saving - don't care. I have docking stations at work and home (which both came with slim batteries). I'd rather have more poowar! :D

edit: please don't misunderstand me, its very nice but its not for me. I certainly don't think its a great leap forward from a HD2 (although it is advancement) and in my opinion does not represent a year of R&D.
[G2 and Desire Z General] SupremeBeaver:
Oh sorry forgot the link.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/15/...d-an-evo-for-the-rest-of-world/#disqus_thread

They say it uses the 1GHz 8255 Snapdragon processor, which when u look here:

http://www.qualcomm.com/products_services/chipsets/snapdragon.html

It shows the 8x55 under second generation. And if u compare it with the 8x30 it has the same GPU specs as the G2 with 41M triangles/sec on both devices. This is huge news for me.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Monty Burns:
Thats more like it :)

(Sorry, just soo many people on this forum, and others, post what they think they "know" which turns out to be bo**ocks. Just learnt to question everything without a link/backup)

So, that is a good step in the right direction then. Does it have a HDMI out? These should be standard for top of the range spec phones now - as should 8meg/720p which is covered nicely.

Also, sadly, it seems the screen isn't so good but this is only compared against standard Desire, maybe its improved.

Desire AMOLED v SLCD

Either way though, neither are much cop in daylight according to this reviewer. As said though, this is an older screen so hopefully its improved.
[G2 and Desire Z General] SupremeBeaver:
It looks like it doesnt have HDMI out. Well at least judging from this page which has FULL specs listed.

http://android.modaco.com/content/a...-the-desire-hd-formerly-known-as-the-htc-ace/

But keep in mind that the EVO having HDMI out limited it to 30fps which is quite poor. If this phone had the 30fps limit then the new GPU would be a waste. So not having HDMI is a blessing in disguise.

If you look at the bottom of the specs listed on the link i sent, you'll see the phone now has DLNA which allows to stream to HDTVs. So at least we have a way to output content, and with the new SRS surround sound this will make things a little more exciting.

As you can tell im in heaven right now :D My perfect phone!
[G2 and Desire Z General] Monty Burns:
Really? Why on earth did it stop it going higher!? Thats mad! :confused:

Only if your TV supports it! :D I'm not actually sure if mine does.... Samsung LE46M87 ... anyone:confused: My projector is a Panasonic PT-AX200, don't think that does either?

Ahhh well..... :)

Edit:

The general (uninformed/informed) concensus is that whilst this CPU/GPU is a great boost - better than the Evo - its still just a knats chuff slower than the Galaxy S. What do you think?
[G2 and Desire Z General] SupremeBeaver:
Well we won't know how it compares to the galaxy S until we see some benchmarks. But word is that this new GPU is really close in terms of power, and that's good enough for me :D
[G2 and Desire Z General] Arcadia310:
It won't beat the Galaxy S in the graphics department, enough said.

Galaxy S was designed to satisfy tech geeks and people who think viewing avatar in HD makes it the best phone.

The Vision was designed as a business qwerty phone. It's going to function just as advertised and has a very sleek, sturdy design.

The phones are tailored to two different crowds. The Galaxy S is definitely not a business phone, but the Vision definitely wasn't made with high end games in mind.
[G2 and Desire Z General] Monty Burns:
And the S Pro (I believe is now called the Epic?)? Galaxy S WITH a keyboard ;)

Now, release it in the UK Samsung you toe rags!
[G2 and Desire Z General] Arcadia310:
Sure the keyboard makes it more.functional for networking purposes. But when things don't work as advertised people get mad. The GPS, horrible battery, and random lag are annoying. You have all this power and its not even used? I'd rather have a functional phone with good battery than a phone with horrible battery but lots of unused power.
[G2 and Desire Z General] j.books:
@Monty Burns

http://www.htc.com/us/products/t-mobile-g2#tech-specs

the G2 specs have been posted everywhere for a while dude. the msm7230 processor is a 2nd gen snapdragon, while the hd2 has a 1st gen. the differences are well documented. plus more ROM and RAM like I said. if they really released a phone a year later that they claimed was more advanced but actually had poorer specs, you're right that would be super lame. which is exactly why that's not what they did. complaining that the phone is not a step up from the hd2, barring some spectacular glitch, is silly.

you seem like you might be from the UK so maybe you didn't have access before to the definitive specs on the USA HTC site. but the Desire Z was announced in London today, which is the same phone (albeit with only android 2.1 and for some reason, less ROM). it should be on the UK HTC site by now. and hands-on reports from the event suggest its slick and snappy phone.
[G2 and Desire Z General] SupremeBeaver:
you're right about everything apart from the fact that Desire Z is running Android 2.2, not 2.1
[G2 and Desire Z General] j.books:
oh yeah, you're right, it's running 2.2, with Sense. people in the UK seem to be psyched about Sense, but in the US we seem to prefer stock android.

anyway.... here's a video and pics http://www.slashgear.com/htc-desire-z-hands-on-15102400/
[G2 and Desire Z General] Arcadia310:
Yeah haha. People in the UK love their Sense. I think it's okay but prefer stock android over EVERYTHING regardless. Less bloatware on the phone, phone truly feels "empty" when you first get it. I don't like my phone having tons of pre installed applications when I first turn it on.
[G2 and Desire Z General] acejoker25000:
HTC site says desire z has 2.1 sense while desire hd has 2.2 sense but both are the new sense ui
[G2 and Desire Z General] acejoker25000:
I like stock android but would love more sense phones in the US for T-Mobile!
[G2 and Desire Z General] Monty Burns:
I could shoot you down in so many ways, but to be honest, i'd rather do work and really can't be bothered.

Anyway, go back over my posts and if you can read and understand them you will understand my views a bit better and how I've been educated on its plus points.

.... now, where is that unsubscribe option...
[G2 and Desire Z General] Monty Burns:
Stereo typing, gota love it. You do of course realise the North American stereo type right?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] krazyflipj:
I recently updated my pri to 1.4 and found that you can't make calls or surf the web when roaming. How do I revert back to 1.3?

*UPDATE* I was able to get roaming to work on 1.40. No need to revert back now
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] snandlal:
Flash the eng-PC36IMG...170mb
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] krazyflipj:
Can you direct me to where i can find this? I think i flashed the wrong one..
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cardiox:
just re-root with simple root?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] drmacinyasha:
Don't re-root. Go to Settings>Privacy>Factory Data Wipe and everything will work. If it doesn't, call Sprint from your landline and talk to them. They'll do some hocus-pocus on their end, and have you do a Factory Data Wipe.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] krazyflipj:
So I flashed a pc36img (not sure if this is the right one) and it didn't change my pri...

Sent from my CM6 powered device
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cardiox:
The only way I could possible think to revert would be to do the original method you used to get pri 1.34 because Rooting your phone is what caused the PRI to downgrade in the first place...
[General Questions and Answers] pochito83:
Hello Everyone,

I am new to this android thing and forums. I have watched every video and read practically every article on the web about synchronizing your HTC Evo with Windows 7:mad::mad::mad:. If anyone could provide step by step instructions on how to get the phone to sync to my pc, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks and look forward to hearing from you guys.
[General Questions and Answers] Senax:
I just stumbled over this web page

I jsut stumbled over this web page where they discuss available software upgrade and synchronization....

http://www.htc.com/us/support/evo-sprint/downloads/

Maybe you missed this one? If not, gimme a holler and I'll search some more :)
[General Topics] fuzzysig:
i have attempted to create a theme myself but dont have enough skills or knowledge about making skins in general.

i made few skins for winamp back in high school that was 10 years ago lol, things have changed.

i tried to make a tron 2.0 skin for blackberry as well but its still work in progress.

took a while to collect all the necessary graphics from the game to make it accurate.

but since im now using HD2 i wanted to see if anyone that actually knows how to make themes can make one for us.

vote in the pool if you want tron legacy theme.
[General Topics] fuzzysig:
i would even pay to get that theme on my phone if its made high quality.
[General Topics] fuzzysig:
anyone would be willing to make that theme for us?
[General Questions and Answers] digitalmahdi:
hi since i changed my diamond 2 rom to 6.5 i cannot connect to market place it asks to accept it for download but then it says download was unsucessful and nothing will happen

i downloaded marketplace from mp.windowsphone.com and installed it manually but when i run it i get same error

what should i do

i searched alot but i got nothing

thanks
[EVO 4G General] jpwhre:
HD is cool, but makes me mad. I know the thread about SD card read/write theory and it has me searching for a Sandisk 16 or 32g SDHC in nothing less than class 6
[EVO 4G General] martyzidek:
My 16gb class two rights at class 6 for write speed and i have smooth video.. just not best quality as i thouht with the camera.. i know my 4gb class2 writes at a class 2 and my 8 gb writes at a class 2.. not sure why..

sent from my Evo
[EVO 4G General] bharris25:
Yeah, the video bugs me too, causes the audio to get out of sync as well. The WVGA video looks pretty good though. I just wish the sound wasn't such a crappy low bitrate on all the video modes. Looks pretty good but sounds as crappy as my treo 700p.
[EVO 4G General] jpwhre:
Back to topic please............. :o

I know that not all kernels work the same on diff roms. I can't seam to get my current kernel (not currently updated) to flash to my current rom, and i can't get the google.code kernel for wired tether to flash over either. Without trying all the kernels on various roms to try and get a video to record without freezing in middle while still playing sound, and to have sound end while vid is still playing, I'm sure my SD card that is almost used up has some to do with it. I know I need a certain compression ratio for space available on cord, and this phone is sucking up space on card like crazy.
[EVO 4G General] amirborna:
Every single one of you spammers here have been reported and will be warned and or banned shortly. You must understand this isn't 4chan and we don't condone moronic behaviour. If you like to correct people's English on a forum so much, become an English Professor. You'll have much fun with that.

And all others ranting off topic, you've been reported as well.
[EVO 4G General] wacky.banana:
Can we stay on topic please and help the OP out. Not everyone has English as their first language or is in a position to express themselves eloquently.

Its simple; if you cannot contribute positively to the OP's question then please don't post.

Thanks

WB
[EVO 4G General] jpwhre:
please delete thread. i wasn't complaining about 30fps, and if anyone would have clicked the link they would see the 3-5 second constant freezing while sound played, and then sound ends about 8 seconds before video ended. it is only a 45 second video. wasn't sure if it was write/read compression ratio compared to space avail on card. no one here conformed/denied or even had an input about it.

DELETE MY THREAD PLEASE
[EVO 4G General] Minjin:
If you have a question, it is your duty to properly express it. We are not mind readers.

Here is how I would have worded it:

Thread Title: Video Capture Freezing and Sound Issues

Thread contents: Hi, I took a video recently and I am having some issues that in searching I have not found anyone to report. The video is freezing and the sound isn't recording the whole way through. Has anyone else seen this? Any ideas as to what could cause this?​

Then I would have talked about if it happened on other videos or just this one. I would have given any details such as stock, rooted, which rom, or which update I'm running. I would have mentioned if I had changed anything recently or if the phone had been behaving like this since I had owned it. I would have mentioned if I had tried rebooting or any other basic troubleshooting.

That's what I would have done. Unless you compose a meaningful message, none of us here can guess what you're trying to communicate. When your post is nonsense, you'll get nonsense in response.
[EVO 4G General] jpwhre:
htc ota 2.2 froyo rooted by netarchy. no mods, no custom kernels, no major changes besides adding apps

omj 1.4/1.7/1.8/1.8 deodexed/1.9 saphire/2.0/2.1

stock

stock rooted

every video ever taken on all roms listed above

came with sandisk micro sd 8g
[EVO 4G General] wacky.banana:
Closed at OP request.

WB