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[EVO 4G General] dwertz:
It does sound like spam but if you read the OP other posts, they typically talk about other apps and shares thoughts. Whether this is spam or not I dont think its the OP app. Maybe it would seem less like SPAM if the OP describe the Pros and Cons of the app.

I am going to try it out. I think this may be more useful in the Theme and Apps section though even though General is always a good fail/safe area.
[EVO 4G General] djR3Z:
I'm not really sure what you're saying about my other posts. Can you clarify? And I assure you its not my app.
[EVO 4G General] Tregrad:
yes im on a rooted EVO, and when i do a search it comes up with UJ but not JD. maybe your right about being rooted, I just dont know. would love to get more battery life but cant find it, and my code reader doesnt link to the market for the code provided.
[EVO 4G General] engagedtosmile:
People are really upset over the OP? Wow. XDA comes off as a bunch of crying children to the general public, I'm sure. Let's jump on one of our own for linking to his own site!

Grow up.
[EVO 4G General] Tregrad:
page and post # perhaps? i dont know why this is so hard for someone who "just wants to help"
[EVO 4G General] Tregrad:
rules are in place for a reason, and when we as followers of those rules see someone violate them then you better pull up your boots and get ready because this site has a reputation superceeded by none and we dont want spamming trolls and pirates roaming this site.

thats why the haste in ripping a suspected spammer, one who links to their OWN web site. the video should have been put on you tube or something like that, then there would be no problem.
[EVO 4G General] wuclan48:
Have you been on other forums? I'm a member of several automotive forums and even if a vendor is advertising a useful product, if it is coming through their website and they're not paying the forum to advertise, that's a no no. I am sure he is getting paid for people to click through his site from here. So to reiterate, even if you're not being paid by the company to promote their product, it's still spam because you're doing it to get clicks through your website. It's not a matter of maturity, it's just ****ing annoying and against most forum's policies.
[EVO 4G General] dwertz:
I was just saying it seems like you just like reviewing apps and not advertising by scanning your previous posts. You found an app that you like and decided to share. The first post does sounds like an advertisement and seems deceiving to many people. Maybe if you stated the Pros and Cons of the app you would get harassed less by everyone???? Just a thought.

I installed the Ultimate Juice. I will see how well it works.
[EVO 4G General] djR3Z:
@Tregrad Here you go man. I apologize for being being stubborn. I really do wanna help :/ http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=7617489#post7617489

@engagedtosmile Thanks for backing me up :)

@dwertz thanks for the feedback. While I do want people to check out my site so they can see more of my reviews, I should've provided more information straight up on XDA. I'll be sure to keep that in mind for future posts. Good suggestion for the Pros & Cons.

@jedwardmiller thanks for the helpful information man. Don't wanna sound like spam. I'm glad you're gonna check the app out. Its really helpful.

@Just_s thanks for being civil bro. I'll take the constructive criticism seriously. I'm sorry I bothered you guys.

@DomSim Hey man I'm sorry for whatever I did that's causing you to attack me so hard. I didn't mean any offense.

I'm gonna take all the suggestions to heart. Just trying to help.
[EVO 4G General] engagedtosmile:
I understand that but you people acting as the forum police doesn't give people a very good image of XDA. You come off sounding like a bunch of whiney kids. Complaining at the OP and bumping his thread over and over doesn't accomplish anything. If you feel it is advertising, report it and move along. Getting into a flamefest with him is the wrong way to do it.

Report and move along. I personally have no problems with some site being linked. Sites get linked all the time; Engadget, Gizmodo, etc etc. What is the difference? Because he is part of that site, it instantly becomes a big issue? What about devs that link to their websites to download their ROMs? Or people linking their reviews in Themes and Apps? Or their own work posted on their sites?

Getting so upset over this is just stupid.
[EVO 4G General] Tregrad:
mods cant check every post and maintain everything and thats where the public comes in, im sure if your house were being broken into you wouldnt simply want your neighbors to "report" it eh. you would want license #'s and descriptions and if someone had a shot gun maybe blow some douche baggs head off.

suggestion for OP (first off thanks for the link, havent checked it yet) when you want to link (on xda) to a video that you made post the vid on you tube and then link to that, would solve all future probs. because like someone else stated before people get paid for "clicks" on their site, hence the spam acusations. if you post them on you tube, we all know you dont own you tube ;)
[EVO 4G General] Tregrad:
just checked out that link and its the app brain thing, someone mentioned to me earlier that since i have a rooted device (EVO) that the app brain market wont update or something ike that.

I am running the fresh beta so i might have to uptade to 3.1
[EVO 4G General] engagedtosmile:
They would take that information and report it to the cops (in this situation the mods) and they would handle it.

Also, hate to say it but this isn't even close to being a home robbery. It's a post linking to a website on a web forum. Hardly a big deal at all.
[EVO 4G General] ZachPA:
I think what folks are trying to get across is that we are so used to being deluged with ADS! and PROMISES! and FEATURES! and if we want them we have to CALL NOW! or PAY ONLY 3.99! or WATCH THIS VIDEO!, that when we see something that resembles the same language used in advertising, we immediately become suspicious about the poster's agenda or motives. There is no place you can go on the network and not see ads, from the most brazen of video/audio pop-over flash ads, to the most stealthily inserted posts on a forum shilling for goji berry juice or whatever crap comes down the line. I know I'm sick of seeing it, and I'm sure everyone else is too.

XDA is and always has been a community of developers, coders, modders, posters and others who are committed to learning about these technological wonders, writing code for them so that they perform the way WE think they should, not as manufacturers and carriers have handicapped them.

Given that, and the fact that Android, an open source OS, is built on Linux, the quintessential open source project, and you come to realize that we are a community of people who are used to getting things for free not because we pirate them but because we take the time to learn them and understand their weaknesses and fix the impediments that make performance and abilities possible.

I am in marketing, so I do see the need for catching attention, but the cardinal rule of marketing is to advertise to your desired demographic. In other words, you don't put cigarette ads in Highlights for Children, and you don't put ads for monster truck rallies on Lifetime television. Similarly, all it takes on XDA for someone's interest to be piqued is the mere mention of improved battery life. It need not read like a Billy Mays pitch, it just needs to be there.

I am not sure if your intent was to drive traffic to your site, whether you have any stake in this app or receive a commission from its sale, or whether you are like us and just have a great desire to see your EVO last 18 hours on a charge.

But what I am sure of is that you fed the fire with your defensive posture after your original post. Instead of humility, you implied superiority in a place where we are all peers, and that just fanned the flames even more.

This app seems to be a good one. I installed it on my EVO just to see how it performs. Time will tell. Thanks for the information.
[EVO 4G General] djR3Z:
Well I'm not exactly breaking into XDA :P I've been around here for quite a while.

And I understand where you're coming from, posting a link to the video to avoid all of this, but I link to my site because it has the video, my written summary, and download links and QR codes. And of course, it allows them to check out my other reviews if they like that one.
[EVO 4G General] dwertz:
Hmmmm I am running rooted Stock Froyo and the Juice Defender (Free) and Ultimate Juice show in my Market.
[EVO 4G General] djR3Z:
GREAT post. Well written and appreciate you not coming across as attacking or anything like that.

You're completely right in needing to come across the right way on XDA. I feel I have in all my previous threads(check my profile for my other reviews). I was just excited about finally posting this one and I wanted to catch everyone's attention. While I did, I should've taken into account that, like you said, simply showing improved battery life would've done the same.

While I do like traffic on my site, that was NOT my intent or motivation. Nor do I have any stake in this app or receive any commission. I just like the app. I didn't mean to come off as "superior" with being defensive. I was just holding my ground. I didn't go on the offensive nor did I scamper. I just held my own.

But again, thanks for the great post.
[EVO 4G General] starplaya93:
You honestly shouldn't of even had to defend yourself man... I read your post tried out juice defender and am liking it. That may or may not have been your intention, regardless you helped me out, so thanks.

Some XDA members are really starting to come on here only to look for trouble and its getting pathetic.
[EVO 4G General] wuclan48:
Someone else posted that we're bumping this post with the flaming, true, but I can't seem to avoid taking this troll bait. I think "some" XDA members have been members of various forums for a long time, and are annoyed when policies aren't followed. Also something like juicedefender or any other battery/task app has been posted about to death and posting yet another thread about something that's already been done to death and then posting the way it was done here is not helpful to the forum.
[EVO 4G General] Tregrad:
give this man the DUH award of the day, and i suppose the cops in your neck of the woods respond quickly? pfff. I on the other hand have absolutley 0 confidence in the way police handle things of that nature.
[EVO 4G General] starplaya93:
Point proven.
[EVO 4G General] LudoGris:
I don't believe I have ever seen this posted on the EVO forums, and those are the only ones I am reading at the moment. I have looked at the Software area, but rarely. I for one am glad that he posted it in here. Makes it so I get to try it out as well.
[EVO 4G General] Tregrad:
wierd, cause i have tried everything. I just flashed back to stock and am going to put fresh 3.1 on and then see if it works.
[EVO 4G General] djR3Z:
I have never seen JuiceDefender threaded about, only in passing and in random obscure posts within unrelated threads. But I digress, as with all my posts, I feel a video walkthrough is helpful to the community because they're able to see EXACTLY what they'll be downloading.
[EVO 4G General] wuclan48:
I've only been on xda and other android forums since I got my EVO in June. I've seen it posted numerous times.
[EVO 4G General] cnstarz:
reported your post for blatant spamming and deliberate disregard to the rules.
[EVO 4G General] LudoGris:
It's always me! I am always the one called out!
[EVO 4G General] garyfunk:
I just used the QRcode and went right to the application.
[EVO 4G General] myn:
Juice Defender is a usability nightmare. Even after watching that advertisement I still am not 100% certain on how the umteen buttons affect the top workflow of device management.

The developer needs a designer to redo the UI.
[EVO 4G General] evoguyfhp:
just downloaded hoping for the best!
[EVO 4G General] NonCorp:
While I can see why people don't want to see random advertisement going on, as usual, the EVO forum members overreact...

I am new to Android, and have been searching all over for good reviews on apps. I personally would like to see more app reviews/suggestions in the themes/apps section. It's actually surprising how few I have found in there.

@OP, since you've been a member for a while, I guess I don't have to tell you that there are a lot of trolls who like to play dress-up and pretend to be "helpful, contributing members'. I've been a member for years, but since I am not a Dev and have no real need, I have very few posts. When I post it's usually feedback, or just a comment on another post (not to say I don't troll occasionally :rolleyes:). Regardless, reviews are always appreciated.

Honestly, it looked like a possible ad/spam to me when I first saw the post, but since I am an adault, and am capable of making my own decisions, I took the chance and clicked on the link.
[EVO 4G General] mccurt29:
using this u wont be able to get video calls if u have the data disabled while sleep which is the main thing to have off to save battery
[EVO 4G General] androtn:
great point!
[EVO 4G General] Sporkman:
and its clearly stated in vid too
[EVO 4G General] mcook1670:
I use it on my Eris, I go to work @5 am and when I get home around 2pm I usually have between 60 or 70% battery depending if I watched any tv shows / movies at work or used WiFi tether for my network. If I used my phone all day then yea.. it won't help that much. If you just use it moderately then it really helps
[EVO 4G General] djR3Z:
Good point and definitely true. If you're constantly on your phone, its not going to help much (mainly if you're using data and you have it set to always have data on if the screen is on)
[EVO 4G General] jm5503:
Any suggestions for the best settings to get great results???
[EVO 4G General] hydralisk:
This is definitely working for me. I never realized what was eating my battery so much before. Now the biggest culprit is cell standby\phone idle.

Now, Juice Defender definitely won't help people that use their phones heavily. If your screen is going to be on for a long time, the battery will drain. Fast. But my biggest problem was battery drain when the screen is off. Listening to music also shouldn't have drained it so much.

I'm at 14H 30M and I have 79% battery. During that time, I've listened to music for about an hour and used remote desktop to check email on my home computer.
[EVO 4G General] djR3Z:
Awesome man! Great results! What ROM are you using?
[EVO 4G General] hydralisk:
Froyo Fusion 2.4 Senseless. It's the closest I can get to CM6 while retaining 4G. Will switch to CM6 as soon as that's working :D

EDIT: I was texting quite a bit earlier (sent about 15 messages). Listened to some more music (probably another 30 minutes). I'm down to 68%. 18H 14M since unplugged.
[EVO 4G General] Mr Ian B:
Wow, what a thread. People read wayyyyy too much into the OP. I read it, watched the video and installed the app to test. That is all, never thought for a second that he was trying to sell something via his site, was involved with the app or was getting something for selling the app.

Will give feedback in a couple of days of testing.

Thanks,

Ian B
[EVO 4G General] thunda_chunky:
I thought the OP was a little misleading as well but I didn't think it would have caused such an issue.

Well, either way I'm giving the app a shot. I installed the free version with 76% batt. left about an hour ago. I'm down to 75% now with no use. I'm going to wait until I have a good full charge to test it thoroughly but I'm liking what I see so far.
[EVO 4G General] bomix:
Sold

Ok, I'm buying, looks like a great product. I Love the idea of customization esp for certain apps.
[EVO 4G General] rockky:
You guys use setcpu with this
[EVO 4G General] djR3Z:
I use the included CPU controls so I've stopped using SetCPU since installing this.

Its also worth noting that for some reason I'm able to overclock to 1.22 with JuiceDefender(with UltimateJuice) while I wasn't able to do this with SetCPU. And by not able, I mean my phone would freeze up and reboot. No such problems with this setup. Kind of odd since it shouldn't make a difference.
[EVO 4G General] HondaCop:
OP, I have a couple of questions...

When an app such as say Twidroyd, attempts to fetch data according to it's set intervals, will the app get 3G started if it's not currently enabled? If it doesn't activate 3G, then it safe to say that one can set all interval rates to their lowest settings, thus increasing the odds of being able to update at the same time that UJ has 3G enabled?

For instance, I have the following apps which fetch data at set intervals:

1. Facebook for HTC

2. Twidroyd

3. Weatherbug Elite

I guess I can set each app's intervals at their lowest settings, but they will not force UJ to get 3G started, right?
[EVO 4G General] Sporkman:
been running this since i seen the post :D getting great battery life ! tyvm i have now installed this on my wifes phone and my daughters phone as well
[EVO 4G General] HondaCop:
I thought you can only overclock up to whatever setting is set via the kernal? For example, I use netarchy's 4.0.2 kernel, which overclocks up to 1.115. Can you still overclock that kernel up to 1.22?
[EVO 4G General] djR3Z:
You are exactly right and thats precisely how I have mine setup :) It works very well this way.

Awesome man!

You are correct, and I'm using Snap v5 which allows 1.22
[EVO 4G General] HondaCop:
Awesome! Man, I would sure love to try that Snap kernel, but I am running Fresh 3.1.0.1 :(

BTW, how long have you been using UJ and what Battery Life are you getting from it? I have installed it for a couple of hours now, and it currently shows as x1.81
[EVO 4G General] djR3Z:
I'm always switching around ROMs and have had JuiceDefender for quite a while, but in the current setup its been about a week and I'm at x2.71. I range between there and x3.25
[EVO 4G General] DarkManX4lf:
So far I like juice defender and its addons. I have two issues I noticed so far.

1. I have it setup so that data turns off when the screen is off and it only turns on when the screen is back on. I also have slacker radio to have full data access. My problem is when I have slacker radio on and the screen goes off then data turns off and slacker stops playing. Is there any way to get juice defender to not turn off data while the screen is off and slacker radio is playing in the background?

2. I noticed a lot of lag when turning on the screen and unlocking the phone...maybe it's due to the processor clock settings? Anyone have the same issue??

I've attached a pic of my settings in juice defender.

Edit: Of course tapatalk attached a compressed and smaller version of the pic. I have reattached a bigger verison.
[EVO 4G General] Sprockethead:
I can't get that attached pic to open?
[EVO 4G General] Sprockethead:
I'm trying to get into this app based on the reviews, but so far I really don't like this app at all. If this phone is going to sync, say, every 5 minutes then why sync at all? Why not just manually check everything each time you pick up the phone?

I guess what I'm trying to say is, why have a smartphone if you're going to shut down the main features? It seems like it's easier to just keep an extra battery at the desk or in the car and just let the phone operate at full functionality.
[EVO 4G General] DarkManX4lf:
I attached a larger pic....should be able to open it now.
[EVO 4G General] sombdy:
I've been using this for a couple of days now and I have noticed much better battery life. It makes sense. It keeps the data connection off until you need it or at least keeps it at a minimal schedule. I have not tried Ultimate Juice though so I cannot comment on that.
[EVO 4G General] djR3Z:
Yeah you'll get lag right when it boots because of the underclocking while the screen is off. Raise the "screen off" underclock that you have up a bit and it should help. Otherwise just wait for a second until you get the JuiceDefender notification that pops up and then you have full speed.

Its not necessarily going to sync every 5 minutes, its going to sync based on your app settings, but BASED on the settings you have in JuiceDefender. All that wasted time when you're not using your phone is draining your battery because its got data on. And you ask "why not just manually check". Well, you answered your own question. Its manual. Why not let the app do it automatically?

I don't think you're shutting down its main features at all. You're allowing the phone to more efficiently manage its features, add new ones, and extend battery life. I was one to always carry around an extra battery, but I'd much rather not deal with my phone dying and having to open it up and put in another battery. I'd rather it just last.

When you're ready, definitely give UltimateJuice a go. Thats when you see some GREAT improvements.
[EVO 4G General] youngbasedgod:
I installed this juice defender and now I'm getting an error with my email saying "The account setting is incorrect" and "Unable to send mail". I'm guessing this is due to the settings of Juice Defender, but even when it's disabled I'm still getting this error.

Very annoying seeing this error notification at the top of my phone.
[EVO 4G General] Pierceye:
Where can I find some info on Android functionality? I'm a bit of a noob so laymen's terms would be helpful. Any direction would be much appreciated.
[EVO 4G General] 18rmiller:
your in the right place, just search

Im trying this app now
[EVO 4G General] ChiTown Pdaddy:
Juice Defender

It works. Installed two days. Stopped using set cpu and task killer. Runs way more smooth and battery life is easily 3-4 times what I had before. Running Froyo DC3.5.
[EVO 4G General] nicholaaaas:
buy 4 batteries
[EVO 4G General] djR3Z:
Key word being "buy"
[EVO 4G General] hooover:
So my UI is nothing like the one in the vid...and I bought Ultimate....???
[EVO 4G General] Sprockethead:
Yeah, same here? I just kind of said "F it." I'm glad you brought it up, though. I'm not sure what's up with that. There are no sub-menus as the video said there would be, right?
[EVO 4G General] cnstarz:
click the Apps button. a "Configure Apps" button will appear; click it and a list of apps appears. JuiceDefender will keep data on at all times when any app from this list has green up and down arrows.

Select Slacker Radio. The icon will change to green up and down arrows. Whenever Slacker Radio is in the foreground, or in the notification bar, data will stay on regardless if the screen is on or off. If you click on Slacker Radio again, the icon will change to a red X. Now, whenever Slacker Radio is in the foreground, or in the notification bar, data will stay OFF regardless if the screen is on or off.
[EVO 4G General] djR3Z:
@Sprockethead I see you're running Fresh. I assume @hooover is running a Sense ROM as well? I think when it does its check of your system, it has a different UI based on what it can do. Since I'm running CM6 (an AOSP ROM), I think JD shows a different UI for Sense and AOSP. I can't be for sure w/o some screenshots of whats different. I'm not sure what you mean by sub-menus.

I should've added a little more clarification on that function in the video. Thanks for explaining that man. :)
[EVO 4G General] TomStock1337:
I still can't seem to get the ultimate juice app to work. I first install the juicedefender and run the setup. Then I buy/install the add-on. When I go back to juicedefender, I do not see the extra buttons
[EVO 4G General] vboyz103:
Same here..so I contacted the vendor and see what they have to say.
[EVO 4G General] FishTaco:
Step right up and grab yourself a bottle of Doc Stanley's Amazing Curative Snake Oil.
[EVO 4G General] brushrop03:
Nice app to control Data. I'm not roted so i cant control the CPU :-(
[EVO 4G General] ATownI20:
Seeing improvements already, I also did the battery training method.

Good video.