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[Droid Incredible Android Development] zeke1988:
Well they accept my bricked phone which was rooted.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] elborak:
You can...
[Droid Incredible Android Development] ilinfinityil:
i havent been able to do that. i get a read-only file error, yet i can still su into the shell while in the terminal
[Droid Incredible Android Development] elborak:
Have you remounted the file system rw?
[Droid Incredible Android Development] jdmba:
Welp

I have returned 2 Incredibles through telesales rather than going into a store (the store in L.A. is awful). I have no clue what the techs at VZW proper would do, but certainly the last thing I want is to be billed $599 for a refurb :)

I suspect most if not all of the "you don't need it" opinions come from people who haven't had to return their Incredibles.

My current one seems fine so I hope its a keeper, but this DOES mark the first solution which cannot be reversed. I figured, perhaps a cosmetic could bridge the cap if its too difficult to S-ON.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] elborak:
Okay, let's try this from the other direction. Can you find a single post on any board of someone returning a rooted/hacked/CM6/leaked 2.2/S-OFF Incredible and having it refused? Despite there being many, many threads of people returning Incredibles?

I just think it's pointless worry. They're infinitely more likely to refuse you for having abused the phone physically (shattered screen, water sensor, etc.) than any software/firmware hacking.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] ilinfinityil:
nope, i'm just trying to do it straight up

what are the commands that im looking for
[Droid Incredible Android Development] elborak:
Searching this thread for mount or remount will show you as this has come up several times, but here you go:

mount -o remount,rw /dev/block/mtdblock3 /system

Or get Root Explorer if you'd prefer to avoid sh.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] jdmba:
...

http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/android-news-rumors/3929-rumor-verizon-root-directive.html

Besides, "forever" has only been out for a week. Everything else out there is reversible, so anyone with any sense would RUU before return and be done with it. Bricks don't count because if Verizon can't get in to see, then they can't get in.

In other words, not finding posts of people who have run S-OFF within the past week or so, as having being refused by Verizon, is not proof of anything because there simply hasn't been a lot of time since the release of the first unreversible mod. I suspect you will see those posts in short order; unless unrEVOked has a way to make the phone show "S-On"
[Droid Incredible Android Development] elborak:
Okay, that's a report of a rumor that they're looking for rooted phones. Again, is there a single report of an actual Incredible being refused due to rooting, etc.? No.

And I suspect you are wrong. And my suspicion is based on a long VZW track record.

Agreed that S-OFF has only been out a short period of time, but the track record of VZW not really caring goes back far longer. You really think that S-OFF has made them change attitudes that have existed for many, many years over many different phones and operating systems?

The $ they save by refusing a small number of phones from people who have hacked is dwarfed by the $ they make by being accommodating, avoiding bad PR, and keeping customers.

But I'm not going to convince you, so I'll drop it. I just hope folks aren't avoiding S-OFF and the benefits it brings because of an unfounded fear.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] jdmba:
...

And if you read that thread you would see the answer to your very issue:

"Its a loss because if they replace the device (to make customer happy), VZW can't return that "defective" device to the phone maker, they can't resell it, and depending on its condition, they can't put it into FRU stock... So VZW is stuck with the cost of that device.

If they just want to accept Rooted phones and reflash them to drop in the FRU inventory, then another cost would be they'd have to have their people spending time flashing devices back to stock for users and then testing devices to make sure they perform before they make them FRU's... that would cost time/salaries.

From a pure business perspective, the easiest, most cost effective way is for VZW in store employees and techs to deny warranty claim/replacement for a rooted or other wise tampered with hand set. Everything stops there. That prevents VZW from spending any more time/money/resources dealing with devices that they can not get reimbursed from the MFG for."

I too will drop this debate because I won't convince you either and I hope that I am wrong. I was HOPING someone from unrEVOked would at least take notice and realize that this may become a problem in short order. I was only offering an idea for a mask. Unfortunately, most of time on XDA people post reasons why the person shouldn't have asked a question, rather than letting people who know, answer. Its sad, really. If you look through some of the threads, there are valid questions whose only answer is someone being cute. If they had actually held off and let someone just answer, we probably would have a lot less questions because thread headings would have answers instead of ... well, whatever.

I hope someone from unrEVOked at least reads the thread. This is the only unreversible tool to come out for any phone for a substantial period of time; and that's an issue waiting to happen.

Thanks.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] shoman24v:
If its a problem don't do it. That simple.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] hfam:
Awesome, thanks again for a quick reply and for all your contributions!!
[Droid Incredible Android Development] rpearl:
We are leary of letting you commit warranty fraud. Nevertheless:

We may release an S-ON tool (it is doable). Once again, do not count on such a tool existing. We will let you know if such a tool will be made available.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] oldman_58:
You have my respect

Excellent response.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] jdmba:
Thanks

Ryan - THANK YOU FOR RESPONDING. The rumored VZW policy taken in conjunction with the only tool released which cannot be undone, is a potential disaster and I only wanted to see if anyone from unrEVOked knew. I am happy with your response, I will make no more mention of it, and I will remain hopeful. Thank you!
[Droid Incredible Android Development] silverxbv2:
If it's doable, why not do it? Not trying to be an ass, just curious.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] elborak:
Everything takes time. It's always easier to volunteer someone else's.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] silverxbv2:
I'm not volunteering anyones time, they created the s-off. I'm sure someone volunteered their time for that. So why not do s-on? It seems kind of important to more than a few people on a few boards. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate all they do for the android community, but no antidote to a potentially $600 virus? Instead what we get is "VZW will never look at your phone"? That's quite an expensive assumption. Possibly hundreds of phones at $ 600 a piece, or a little bit of one guys time. Do the math.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] the337:
just saying. i'm pretty sure it took a lot of more than one guy's time to get s-off. also, if you're worried about it then you always have the option to not run unrevoked forever.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] silverxbv2:
I understand my options. Most people don't. They see something new and install it. How many posts are there about, I installed (place name here) what does it do, I can't get it to work, I'm stupid and can't read the entire Op for instructions? You feel me. Maybe it takes some time, it just seems a little odd to say it's doable and not do it. That's all I'm saying.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] mach330:
where can i find the update.zip (for root)? sorry if this has been asked before.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] vandykky:
sending mine back tomorrow for warranty with s-off and ruu flashed. Will let you guys know if I'm socked with a $600 fee. Wish me luck.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] the337:
yeah. i know what you mean about the threads and posts about people jumping the gun and just installing whatever's new. maybe i just read through everything before i install. i read through the unrevoked forever wiki like 3 times to make sure i knew everything and i still haven't updated to any of the leaked radios. maybe when they say it's doable they mean that it's something that they maybe plan on working on, but (to them) it's not something as drastically important to get out as s-off was so when they have time, since they have their daytime jobs, they might get it done. i'm just giving them the benefit of the doubt since unrevoked has already done quite a bit for the Incredible community.

also, i'm not really that worried about s-on either.

good luck. let us know how it goes.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] oldman_58:
If you get the fee you should get your old phone back as well.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] mike.d:
Just wanted to say thanks to the Unrevoked team. My phone is s_off now and it was very painless and easy thanks to all your hard work. :):)
[Droid Incredible Android Development] SeanRinVA:
Excellent Answer, Ryan.

To all of you asking, my question is this - and I'm assuming you have Insurance on the phone (you do, right?) - Isn't having S-OFF worth $89? That's how I looked at it - if I brick my phone, I'll just make the Asurion claim - the phone was lost...

done...

Oh yeah - I rooted, Forever'd, Radio'd, ROM'd, and theme'd my oldest daughter's DInc at her request - she's happy as a clam.

Thank you, Team unrEVOked! Donation to EFF coming this week...
[Droid Incredible Android Development] djl236:
The main reason I still have S-ON is because it is unreversable at the moment.

Quick question and don't take this the wrong way, but if your DINC ****s the bed, would you put S-ON and return it, assuming you have S-OFF right now, since you're saying S-ON is doable? Or would you cough up $600 bucks for another DINC?

I apprieciate all the hard work you and the rest of your team has put into the DINC, but I don't think its you or anyone else's job to be the conscious police. Just as unrEVOked claims no responsbilty if we screw up our phones, you are also not responsible for what we do with our warranties.

Again, I'm not trying to be a jerk, I'm just merely arguing the other point of view. I see the benefits of S-OFF being reversable to be greater than the current situation.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] rpearl:
Applying this update voids your warranty. We are hesitant to let you commit warranty fraud. We wish to have a good relationship with the carriers; we want them to allow us a legitimate path to root access.

Once again, we will make it known if we release an S-ON tool. Right now, I believe the intent is to do so. Eventually.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] oldman_58:
Thanks for your honesty

I gain more respect for the UnRevoked team each time I read you responses.

Thank you for being honest and all of the hard work you and your team have done over the past months.

I walked willingly into rooting and "romming" with my Eyes Wide Open and assumed the responsibility of bricking as my financial loss.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] SR3TLAW:
...

jdkoreclipse,

Im waitin on you, haha. No homo. Just trust your judgement bro.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] JaydenR:
You beat me to it. ;)
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Greasy Joe Bick:
Easy

Works here! Once again, unrevoked comes through. Thanks doods. Many, many thanks!
[Droid Incredible Android Development] bubbleywine:
just a little confused the file i used to ruu was also named pb31img and the file for the custom splash is the same?? is that correct
[Droid Incredible Android Development] JaydenR:
Peace, enjoy your Razr.

LOL

J/k

You'll be fine.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] JaydenR:
Pics of the custom splash.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] ouikikazz:
Just downloaded from my phone n used astro to move n rename fike...worked like a charm...now wheres this new radio? And some new roms please my current rom not playing well with new hydra kernel
[Droid Incredible Android Development] djkms:
Thanks Unrevoked, showin some love!!!
[Droid Incredible Android Development] supagene:
Instructions seem like they are for stock recovery, can I run this thing from clockworkmod recovery?
[Droid Incredible Android Development] thess1:
I tried the custom splash... but with no luck. Anyone get it working?
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Trey_Miller:
Oh, woe is me, my phone has crashed and burned. j/k :p

Worked like a charm. ...Actually, worked better than a charm. No problems, shoot, didn't even have to rename it. Just went in and installed.

Fire away!
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Yodes:
Just installed from the phone worked great. S_off. Yay!
[Droid Incredible Android Development] dahotz:
It's really easy. It's like doing any update.zip. Then when you do the custom splash screen it is like when you unroot your phone. as you hold down the volume and power, the next thing it does is ask you do you want to load it. It literally takes less than a second, you reboot and you are done. The whole process takes less than 5 minutes, but I would advise reading the warnings.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] scuccia:
Make sure you read the entire wiki buddy.

To install unrevoked forever on your phone, perform the following steps.

If your phone does not already have a custom recovery, use unrevoked3 to root your phone.

The installation process cannot take place if the phone does not have a custom recovery installed.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] jasonb1985:
correct! do this and it will say "unrevoked" on boot where it used to say "htc incredible".

i did this and now s is off!! thanks unrevoked!
[Droid Incredible Android Development] evilone1969:
worked flawlessly :) tyvm!!!

unrevoked splash screen to boot! yesssss
[Droid Incredible Android Development] JaydenR:
Update like you would install a leaked OTA update.zip using clockwork though.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] yojoe600:
just did this thanks guys... i was busy watching movies then checked and saw it was released yay!!!!
[Droid Incredible Android Development] andybones:
I was freakin out I didn't wanna brick my phone. but it worked great!!!

just downloaded the file. renamed it to update.zip. installed as said.

took like 2 secs to flash and worked like a charm. metamorph here we come!!!
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Chris565:
Will this let me downgrade my radio? In case the official htc radio update has a lower number for some reason.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] dreamersipaq:
UnrEVOked, I just want to mention something. I'm greatful for everything you've done, and do have everything modded including S-OFF. But to just post my view, there is a difference between warranty fraud and legitimate warranty claim. If I get insurance on phone, claim it was stolen, pay the deductible, and get a new one b/c I brick my phone due to modding... THAT'S FRAUD

If I go into verizon b/c my display, radio, wifi, earpiece, microphone, whatever is starting to fail (due to no reason other then hardware failure), I'll put money on the table that Verizon will deny my claim since "I've voided my warranty" if they notice S-OFF. Doesn't matter if it's related or not. The want to save money just as much as I do. So turning S-ON and returning to stock before I bring in for warranty claim ensured that they don't F*ck me for wanting to explore the true abilities of my phone....

P.S. I don't illegally Wifi - Tether either... though don't get me started on having to pay an additional $20 for the SAME 5GB of usage that my UNLIMITED plan allows me anyway with the original $30 / mo.

My $.02
[Droid Incredible Android Development] rfarrah:
Why are you still beating this dead horse? How many more posts are we going to have to wade through created by people who just don't get it?

Unrevoked says UP FRONT that S-off may not be reversible. What don't you understand about that?

You get to choose! If you are genuinely concerned about this issue then DON'T FREAKIN' DO IT. For crying out loud, stop whining about this and move on.

/end rant. Sorry.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] elborak:
When you install unrevoked forever, you've voided your warranty. Period. You may not like it, you may not think it's fair, you may feel rooked when your phone fails for an unrelated reason (e.g. screen failure), but the fact remains that you consciously and deliberately chose to void your warranty.

Now don't get me wrong, if you have an unrelated failure I think it's perfectly fine to attempt to return it to VZW for replacement. And I think the odds are overwhelming that they will accommodate you. But they are within their rights to refuse you.

If unrevoked releases an S-ON tool, its most common use will be to return phones people have hosed due to carelessness, stupidity, random experimentation, etc.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] dreamersipaq:
Because it pi$$es me off when people say "Oh, just do a warranty claim" as if that's any better then putting S-ON. Who are you kidding? If anything, it's worse because that's just plain and blatant FRAUD where putting S-On back and returning back to stock and IF THAT doesn't fix your issues, Verizon can decide if it's legitimate or not.

Let's be honest. If you COMPLETELY brick your phone, you won't be able to put S-ON back since IT WILL BE BRICKED. The only REAL "damage" that can be done through modding that can't be undone is either REAL warranty issues that have nothing to do with modding, or you cooking your phone due to improper OC'ing <- which if you return your phone to Verizon for then shame on you...

I hate how everyone is OK with F'ing over the insurance company, but sending a phone back to Verizon to diagnose is a No-No...

Come on, think for yourself... prove me wrong ?

/End rant. Sorry also
[Droid Incredible Android Development] kentoe:
If something really goes wrong with the phone and you are that worried about them checking if it's rooted or if S-Off is set then just smash the phone...

You have insurance for it if something happens to your phone, back it up with nandroid to your sd, take out the sd card, smash the phone (e.g. equivalent to dropping the phone) so that it won't work anymore, bring it in for an insurance claim.

Now it's broken, period. Get a new one because it's obviously broken and re-root and restore.

Just because you have voided your warranty via software doesn't mean you can't use a physical re-route to bypass this.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] TNS201:
And insurance companies never F over their clients...Right...Yea sorry sir we can't cover that because its a pre-existing condition...Sure I bet you wouldn't be happy to hear that from a medical insurance company.. If it involves screwing the gov't or insurance companies Im down!
[Droid Incredible Android Development] dreamersipaq:
Until the Insurance company decides to no longer insure the phone b/c it's a loss for them (like iCrap) OR raises the deductible for ALL smart phones to say $200 and VZW cancels your warranty claim so you're stuck with a $600 paperweight.

At the same time, the GOV. that you love to screw over will raise your taxes b/c they're losing money so you'll have less money in your pocket to spend.

Then YOU OF ALL PEOPLE will ***** that you don't like how unrevoked handles their releases and didn't release S-On and it's unfair for them to keep the information and not release it because who are they to judge JUST LIKE YOU DID BEFORE with S-Off

Of all people, YOU should not chime in with an argument against anything. Go p!ss in somebody else's cereal.

EDIT: It's sad that you can become a Senior Member just by your post count.

Sigh.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Sin2800:
I just want to make a note:

According to Verizon's website (http://support.vzw.com/clc/features/calling_features/equipment_protection.html)

I'm pretty sure that if you screw up your phone while running forever, or for some other reason, THAT'S NOT FRAUD, as it is ACCIDENTAL damage. Malfunctioning is also in that coverage as well. I would consider a bricked phone as a malfunctioning device, wouldn't you?

I'm not TRYING to cause more arguments. I'm just saying that based on the service they provide, if you do brick your phone, you are covered. Not under the warranty, but through your insurance (if you have it, and I really don't see why you wouldn't...)
[Droid Incredible Android Development] kentoe:
Good points, also like I was saying earlier you could "accidentally" break your phone physically to still get a replacement without worry of if they detect your s-off
[Droid Incredible Android Development] GMK83:
S-On is coming...
[Droid Incredible Android Development] msjulie:
ditto - relative noob here but really psyched to be able to have near full access to a phone i bought myself (yep the whole unsubsidized price)

thanks UnRevoked team!
[Droid Incredible Android Development] KB Smoka:
Man, you guys must be really bored.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] ilinfinityil:
i have a couple phone backups for things like this.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] dreamersipaq:
Well, I'm a fairly level headed bloke, and your reasoning does make sense. Plus I appreciate the "citation" since I wasn't aware that they basically include that in the insurance. Brick away my friends, brick away...
[Droid Incredible Android Development] djl236:
I'm rooted on stock 2.1update1....never flashed a custom ROM, still original stock radio...never flashed a newer radio, never used S-OFF and my warranty date code is still 4/29/2010 13:30. Manufacturer's Date is 4/3/2010 so I dunno, maybe that's not what changed your date.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] rfarrah:
You NEED an iphone.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] KGBxxx:
Wasn't the new ota supposed to come out today? Any word?

Just kidding!

INSURERS CAN SUCK-OFF ON MY NUTS. 00=====(-)~

Sent from rooted 2.1 DINC. Suck-off 2.15 radio.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] fezzik77:
That's random but uhh you need a Kin.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] wethead4:
I already rooted my phone using the root in 10 min video. Can I still run the unrevoked reflash tool and unrevoked forever?
[Droid Incredible Android Development] KGBxxx:
Yes. Check for hboot update first.

Sent from rooted 2.1 DINC. Suck-off 2.15 radio.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] bluetooth_decay:
Is it just me, or does anyone else worry about the increased "attack surface" enabled by running with NAND unlocked all the time? Or am I missing something?

I like the S-OFF idea, but I really only need my NAND unlocked while in recovery...
[Droid Incredible Android Development] borgey420:
yes, youre missing the entire computer security vs computer ownership thing
[Droid Incredible Android Development] oldman_58:
Exposed.

I don't think he missed it, he got it and realized the exposure, it is real but rooting can be so much fun...
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Shadowmite:
Oh my word, this is just soo stupid that I HAVE to post to get it out.

If you're worried about s-off from a security perspective let me tell you the IDENTICAL computer comparison...

Go run your entire computer from a livecd without installing a os to a harddrive for fear that the "haxxors" will get to the disk and change things... That's EXACTLY what you are saying here. If you're scared about that, but run a normal computer OS you are a hypocrite.

</end rant, goes back into hiding, s-on will be out as soon as we get to it)>
[Droid Incredible Android Development] :
Thats great to hear that s-on will be back....i hope its out by october, as that is when im getting a d2
[Droid Incredible Android Development] borgey420:
well put Zule, people are just plain dumb sometimes......
[Droid Incredible Android Development] jdmba:
THANK YOU! With this being my 3rd Incredible, I have held off on forever, hoping S-On comes out.