yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] PiercedCow:
in the spirit of friendly debate i will reply. here is the scenario i choose to use. i (sprint) and my friend (htc) have built a car and i would like to sell it to you for what i consider a reasonable price. it has lots of extras and is extremely fast. you can have it fro the low price of $449. but there is a catch, once you buy it from us you are not allowed to ever change the radio station. i don't care that you paid for it, you are gonna put gas in it, and you are gonna drive it. I BUILT IT.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sabunimwil:
I'd buy a different car if I didn't like the deal that was offered. Let's get back on topic guys.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SharkUW:
Spelt

Lols
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fachadick:
Sorry for going off topic again, but this analogy is ridiculous. You're really comparing changing the cars radio station to locking down root? It would be more along the lines of the cars manufacturer locking down the cars computer, so you wouldn't be able to to load or run unvetted third party software that may conflict with the cars existing software. Which I'm pretty sure car manufacturers already do.

Do your research before buying the car, and if you don't like the terms, don't buy the car.

Sent from my blah blah blah blah.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tgruendler:
You guys are missing the point. Without Sprint service, what good is the EVO? They lock it down so that the phone works correctly on there network to keep the costs down on returns, bricks, service. The above anology above makes no sense.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sabunimwil:
Good man. Thank you. All the rest is bells and whistles. I like my phone with root access or not. Root access would be nice but even without it, it's a nice fast phone. :)
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dirtyernie:
Thanks SilverZero.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] garyfunk:
Yeah, like you said, spelt.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DrawnToScale:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spelt
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] strauss0829:
hey

lets talk about root not spellcheck
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] garyfunk:
I think you mean, "Let's."
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
I dont follow your analogy, and food for thought the Evo does come with an FM radio and you are allowed to change the station. But I think your going to an extreme with what you said not allowing you to remove the Nascar app isnt exactly like not allowing you to change the radio station in your car, ofcourse that would be absurd.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ep3n3wp:
So was thinking... What about searching through the unofficial .3 update.zip leak for an exploit/ weakness in the system.. Then try that same weakness/exploit on the official .6....

I hope you get what I'm trying to say.

Sent from my Second Wife using Swype on the XDA App
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] strauss0829:
Very funny Gary
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Pbrussell:
Now I've had to reset the admin password on a linux system b4 due to the old admin being fired.... So if I just rest the admin password and log in under root....wouldn't that be the same thing as opposed to using an exploid to gain root access?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] strauss0829:
IDK russell but try it and see if it works we need root sooooo bad
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
What? come again, I blacked out trying to follow you.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kennedy4260:
I think that you are referring to booting up into single user mode and then clearing the password in the passwd and/or shadow files. I don't know if the android operating system has the capability of booting into single user mode. Please correct me if I am wrong.

[edit] According to this site [ jblomer.web.cern.ch/jblomer/android.htm ](copy and paste in url box add http:// to beginning)

Android has no user database (/etc/passwd)
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] garyfunk:
I will translate for you.

"I have reset the admin password on a linux system due to the former admin leaving the company. If I reset the admin password and log in under root, would that be the same thing as using an exploit to gain root access?"
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] strauss0829:
Hey I'm looking for root lol any 1 find it yet ??
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Shadöwmind:
I'm really sorry if this is a dumb thought but I was thinking about back when people were messing with the Sony PSP and hacking into it using a Pandora battery which was I think a battery that was manipulated by software to be placed into service mode that was able to change firmwares among other things completely bypassing software in the PSP that might block access to do downgrading and such. Is it possible to do something similar to the EVO?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NotATreoFan:
I just dug up about 50 roots from my front garden. Who wants 'em?

p.s. As long as nobody flames, this thread can remain open for random, semi-on topic bs-ing...
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Greenfieldan:
...some occasional joking might keep the moral up haha
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NotATreoFan:
Exactly.

BTW, I have to rescind my previous offer. A root analysis revealed that they're for Gingerbread. ;)
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] garyfunk:
If you take a flame to those roots, they will go away.

Yummy.

By-the-way... I have talked to some developers and hackers and I may have an update later foir those that listen carefully.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
All this waiting is making me want a beer real badly.....of the root variety ofcourse.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] arkshel:
Are you saying keep your eyes on this thread or is there more to your message?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Pbrussell:
......what I said want that confusing lol, but yea basically fit those who didn't follow: Phil reset root password on phone. And for the ones who understood: there are commands and processes set in place to reset an admin password, if I do tthat and log I'm as root...wouldn't that be what we are trying to achieve?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SharkUW:
What we're trying to achieve, yes. Applicable, no.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] strauss0829:
hmmmm i wonder what gary is hinting at
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rpearl:
Look... what we are trying to achieve here is not (usually) some sort of "three-card monte" trick where you try to sneakily downgrade "without them noticing" or something. Such things do exist, sometimes, but they are not the usual vector of attack.

One common vector of attack is a buffer overflow. For a dated overview, look here:

http://insecure.org/stf/smashstack.html

For an interesting privilege escalation we tried in Android 2.1, look here:

http://downloads.unrevoked.com/defcon-talk.pdf

If there are people who are actually interested in learning how to find exploits, you should read over this sort of stuff. It's not about "lol let's reset the root password" or "lol let's just downgrade".

Anyways, my main point (since the people who are looking basically already know this stuff) is that... there was an easy hole in the original EVO. You guys got lucky. Then you got a leak from HTC and got an ENG bootloader. Also lucky. And then some very insecure symlinks. But it looks like all the easy holes were burned in Android 2.1.

It's only going to get harder from this point forward. But it will be done. I know that we have a method that will work...

Possibly someone else has got root, if that's what gary is hinting at.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] strauss0829:
if someone gets root tonight im creamin in the pants lol...what kinda progress has UnreVoked made since last night ???
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] aldojr:
I have a feeling we are soo close. I have a rooted Evo which i was soo sorry when i could not test with the unrevoked guys. But if you guys need me again i have a non rooted 2.2 that is willing to take the plunge like last time. :eek:
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] coreykunak:
Yes I will also volunteer my 2.2 evo for testing
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tinpaul:
Same Here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SilverZero:
Hmmm... you need a hobby. And I would advise against asking for a progress report every six hours. You'll know when they have something. I guarantee you won't miss the announcement.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] strauss0829:
I will lend my evo for testing too ....as for SilverZero chill out broski i am just tryin to get things goin sort of as much as i can ...I am sorri for posting so much but things just seem so close now ...Lets not let up
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] meo1pr:
I have an unrooted 2.2 Evo if you need it for testing Raiz.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] garyfunk:
What the heck language is this?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] reallango:
Thanks for the info. I wish the one about stack overflows was more based on android but I'm glad to see someone actually helping enlighten us so we can try to help. I wish this thread was more like that as I would like to do more then twiddle my thumbs. If anyone can point to places to get more technical android hacking info it would be very appreciated.

Sorry for the off-topic question but, I have an app I would like to make that I think shouldn't be to hard for me. I was wanting to try doing it with that E-Z android app maker I had heard about if anyone knows anything about that.

Also to those offering there EVO's for testing. I would think they will ask for this if need be so no need for everyone with an unrooted EVO 2.2 to post as such.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] garyfunk:
Pay attentionm to Ryan. He knows more of the Evo and Android than 99% of the developers in the world.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] strauss0829:
Any news Gary u seemed to be hinting at something earlier
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dondadah88:
i'm here is you need a tester to try something and i can come up with good ideas.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] strauss0829:
spill all the beans Gary lol
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] locoboi187:
gary doesnt know anything lol, you guys will know when the time comes
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] garyfunk:
Okay, you get to be the boss.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] strauss0829:
i really that time to come so i can really digg deep into this phone lol
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] strauss0829:
No gary the only reason I was hassleing you was because u said u were talkin with devs and you might have some news
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] locoboi187:
Apparently you are, all you've been doing is trolling this thread with useless comments like this. Thus, you have made me make a useless irrelevant post. Next time don't comment on things like spelling or some other crap. As for an update, no root, there is nothing in between of "root" and "no root." Either there is one or there is not, and developers are making progress so until then you can't say things relating to root unless you are helping. I'm just pointing this out, no hard feelings.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Topgun966:
I spoke with Sprint and HTC today. Got it escalated to a few supervisors and managers. they did some digging and they said the only way to roll it back would be to replace the board where the nand is still on the previous version. I know it doesn't help much buuut stating it anyway.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] strauss0829:
@topgun

So how do we do this ???
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] joebags:
i'm pretty sure he means to open up your phone and replace the (mother)board of the phone to that of one that has an older firmware version.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] strauss0829:
F*** that noise lol
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tylerchvz:
I worry about a lot of people these days... I do appreciate the defcon slideshow though
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] VOODOOTRIP:
Sticky this post

Thank-you, you guys are doing some good things.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] joebags:
yes that slideshow was very informative. thanks to Ryan for posting it.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ginjeet:
I sit here and scratch my chin, wondering if an app such as, or like Tasker, which executes user defined scripts, could be polluted in some way. Hmm.

Sorry if it's insanely stupid to say so, but in my own pea sized mind, I just wonder if a little surprise package might be insterted into such an app for cause.

That's all. back under my rock now.

Thanks.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jwendell:
root programming

So I'm new to hacking but have experience in Linux. Any advice on developing a root for frigid?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Greenfieldan:
Strauss, we're all excited about the possibility of being able to root our phones...But you're insistent spamming of this thread will not make it come any faster. I know you mean well, but I looked through the last few pages and and something like a fourth of the posts were from you...and again, while you mean well, the developers do not need you cheering them on and posting asking for updates every hour on the hour. I'd really like to be able to look at this thread and see more "sorry, I'm just really excited to root my phone!" We all are; trust me. Please tone it back a little. Thanks :)
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] klbjr:
I found this guide: http://www.repairsuniverse.com/htc-e...air-guide.html

on how to disassemble your Evo and it just so happens I have a brand new 2.2 Evo courtesy of Asurion and my original rooted Evo which I haven't returned as of yet. Think I will be doing some motherboard swapping today.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dirtyernie:
Wow, 55 pages of nothing. All you have to do is just keep track of the first post. It makes it very difficult to do a search on the subject.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tomit12:
If you had to search for something that is in a sticky at the top of the forum, you're already doing it wrong.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cuimalo:
Tasker is not privileged (is not run as root). This will not help. When you exploit a program you get it's access, like stealing an employee badge.

If that was all that was need we could just write a .apk for that purpose.

Sent from my PC36100
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SharkUW:
Have you been to the "dev" forum? 90% of the posts are circle jerking. I'd kill to find an actual EVO exploit discussion.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cuimalo:
Yea, there is a hidden dev message board somewhere, likely on Unrevoked. The static gets distracting elsewhere, I imagine the same applies here. I'd much rather they perform the labors of root love than answer end user questions.

Sent from my PC36100
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LordDavon:
It reminds me of taking a trip with kids and constantly hearing, "Are we there yet?". It doesn't get me there any faster, nor is it motivating but, they still insist on asking every 5 minutes.

We are all anxious to get our phones rooted. We are lucky to have Dev teams that are working hard to find the next root exploit. I am no different than everyone else that is posting multiple messages, with the exception that instead of posting constantly asking for an update, I just hit refresh on my browser.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] energizer1389:
Are we there yet? Lol

It would be great if there were a rule that only senior members could post on dev threads. That would avoid most of the "are we they're yet?"

Sent from Evo 4g
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] strauss0829:
ya y a
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] joebags:
ww.repairsuniverse.com/htc-e...air-guide.html

on how to disassemble your Evo and it just so happens I have a brand new 2.2 Evo courtesy of Asurion and my original rooted Evo which I haven't returned as of yet. Think I will be doing some motherboard swapping today.[/QUOTE]

good luck, but i'm pretty sure this wont work. you would need a working rooted evo or a working < 2.2 evo. if you warrantied out your old phone because you bricked it, it wont work. If it was from a broken screen, case, or speaker or any "cosmetic" type damage where the motherboard is still is working order then you got something there. you would of coarse have to call up sprint and reactivate your old MEID DEC:#. then make sure you keep your old back piece of your phone, with the MEIDs with the respected motherboard to stop further confusion, of activating either phone.

I dont know what is wrong with your old phone but this probably wont work for you.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] klbjr:
I dropped my old Evo and cracked the screen. Other than that the phone works perfectly. Would have held off ordering a new one but the LCD bled over half of the screen and I couldn't see anything. About to start "surgery" in a few. I will post back with my results.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SilverZero:
Don't you think Sprint has already flagged your ESN? Or does it still work?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ginjeet:
Thank you for stating this to me in a kind and mature manner. I appreciate that. Fingers crossed in the meanwhile.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dirtyernie:
I am not really understanding all this. I thought Android was open source and we can do what we want to build off of it? What am I missing here? Why did sprint/HTC lock things up? This doesn't sound like open source where the public at large can build off of. I don't get it.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fachadick:
you can build any app you want and load it to android - but you have to be rooted to give you access to change anythng that may brick your phone, or unlock features that the carrier wants locked. That as free as they can get without running into warrenty and billing issues.. Look at it this way - the iphone can only load apps from the istore, and att locks their android devices down so that they can only load apps from the android market. You have a switch that you can hit that will let you load an app from anywhere, to do just about anything.

And the code for android is fully open - so feel free to build your own version of fully open android with all of the bells and whistles you want, and allow access to all parts of the os, you'll run into the same isues finding a manufacturer to build it, and a network to run it on. google openmoko for some folk who have tried something similar.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Pbrussell:
Altering the files for gain of the community is not the problem hence....we can code our own apps, buy they are locking out the ability to manipulate the system to steal something they require you to pay for whether u feel as though that's right or not ie: tethering
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LordDavon:
I believe that Open Source means that the source code is free to distribute and modify. I don't think it protects binaries (compiled sources). I believe that the binaries can be sold, locked, etc. as long as the sources are available.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] guitarjockey:
Ok I know Froyo isn't rootable yet but in another thread this guy is saying he rooted his nexus one 2.2.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=760171

I asked about it a couple pages in because I knew it hasn't been cracked but he posted back saying it is. So I don't know if anyone knows anything about it if maybe it actually does work which is doubtful.

I doubt it works but the kid says it does and I questioned him even more and he hasn't said anything so.

I also was looking that the Easy Root app for the Droid that was on the market for awhile was able to root 2.1 and 2.2 so I don't know if there is anything that could help from the code in that too.

Just some stuff that I've seen that I haven't seen anyone post here.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] EVO 4G:
Yeah I read on a Motorola Droid X forum that some people had used Easy Root app but it was removed from the marketplace. I don't know if I believe it only because if a program was written for 2.1 and it happened to unlock 2.2 I would assume that it would be simple to root Froyo or it would have been something they would have already tried. I once again am no programmer yet (in school for my Bachelors in computer science) and I could be wrong.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SilverZero:
It's all been tried, the devs know about it, they're looking at everything. The obvious options (modifying root methods from other devices) are probably the first to be looked at, but they haven't panned out so far.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] guitarjockey:
I figured as much, the guy in the other thread is probably huffing the glue that holds his nexus one together lol
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bisby:
I thought the nexus one was 2.2 rooted. But its got different software on it too. So the root methods for it don't work in the evo
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] brucejg:
Rooting 2.2

I've read through a lot of this thread but got tired of reading all the wisecracks, spell check police, etc.

I know from reading that if you have 2.2 installed on your EVO or if it came with 2.2, you cannot root it.

I have a simple question: I saw a blurb about using unrevoked forever, but then reading further, I saw that it required specific radio versions in order to work. My EVO does not have one of those versions. My EVO is running 2.1 and it is rooted. Is there a way to upgrade to 2.2 and retain root?

Thank you in advance.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ep3n3wp:
Any chance that inconsistent way has turned to a more consistent way?

Sorry not trying to be that are we there yet guy..

Just sounded promising reading your post..

Sent from my Second Wife using Swype on the XDA App
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fachadick:
Yes, read some more, other threads too. If you're fully rooted on 2.1, you can load just about any of the rooted 2.2 roms here. You shouldn't need unrevoked. Personally, I recommend baked snack.

Sent from my blah blah blah blah
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] strauss0829:
Man O Man

Man this is really annoying all I want is root I thought we were close I guess I was wrong ...Anyone have a lil more in depth progress update
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fachadick:
Nope, but there's a guy selling his rooted EVO over in the general section. You two should hook up.

Sent from my blah blah blah blah
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] edufur:
I bet a rooted EVO could sell for about $600 right now. Maybe even $750.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] brucejg:
Thanks for the speedy reply. I have read further that those versions do not support 4G; is that so?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Topgun966:
A lot of the custom roms support 4g. Aves does and several others. CM6 doesn't but I still think its the best out there...I MISS IT I cant stand this stock anymore
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kyletjackson:
I'm running the latest Fresh ROM with rooted 2.2 and 4G works just fine. Better than it did when I was running stock 2.1. I don't know if that's because I'm using Froyo or a rooted ROM, but it runs like butter.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tgruendler:
You know what else is annoying??? You *****ing about not having root. Ever since you got your EVO around Aug 7th, you have been non stop asking about Root, *****ing about Root, etc...
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] PiercedCow:
someone may fuss about this being off topic but, does anyone know where i can get the rooted stock 2.2 for the evo? i know root on the ota has not been achieved yet. it will be here when it gets here. i just wanna go ahead and be prepared when it gets here. i know that one was on here about a day after the 2.2 release, i just can't find it.