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[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] chris_ah1:
Am I bad, but I really like WinMo after using android?????

TBH I have mattc and shub installed and both work fine. There is some setcpu tweaking left to optimise battery vs responsiveness, but other than that they are perfect in use.

bluetooth + dialing, gps, software, scrolling all work well....but you know...I just prefer WM+sense. Perhaps because I'm used to it, but i like all the side scrolling rather than having limited pages+widgets and then having to launch apps.

I know android doesnt really need task management in the same way WM does, I just prefer WM's approach.

I think it's really peculiar, but I must admit android vs WM is a tough one. I know android looks good and more finished and 21st Century, with sense + CHT I REALLY REALLY don't mind using windows mobile.

Performance wise I think winmo+android are good enough even at this stage.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jjones1983:
Come to think of it I've also had the touch screen stop responding a few times, but each time all it took was locking then unlocking the phone and it resolved it, so literally two second fix so it hasn't bothered me.

Edit: I also think it's worth noting that it seems like the non-U.S./unlocked version of the HD2 seems a bit more succeptable to the known "bugs" with our Android builds, at least from reading the boards the last few weeks. Not sure why or if that's even the case, but it sure seems like it to me.

Bottom line is the developers have done a pretty remarkable job at breathing life into our otherwise somewhat cookie cutter/boring WinMo phone, heh.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] _Edd_:
Don't know how you guys were using winmo but after switching to android I certainly miss some applications like SPB Wallet or IGO/TomTom, etc. Weird but such popular system as android in some software categories is behind winmo. Though on the other hand in android there are many email, twitter, facebook, etc. (winmo had much less offers here) clients. I wish I could take some software from winmo and use it in android. :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jjones1983:
This kind of goes along with what I meant when I said I thought WinMo was the better "business" platform. I feel like it's quite a bit more user friendly as far as applications like the ones you mentioned than Android. However, when it comes to the casual user wanting to use their phone for fun as far as apps/games go, Android wins by a very large margin.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] poweroutlet:
I don't think wimo is as terrible as people make it out to be. It doesn't feel as seamless as android, not nearly as refined and slower (unless you installed a custom rom). Android just feels like it was meant to be for a mobile device whereas winmo feels more like a phone/computer at the same time. Despite these weaknesses though, sometimes winmo just feels more powerful and raw (may or may not be a good thing) than android.

I plan to keep both my Energy glass winmo and android in the future. I love this ability of the HD2, to really customize the phone to match your needs and to have multiple OSes. Few other phones can do the same.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] lonelykatana:
OH god no, I agree with that! Who'd want toast without bacon and egg anyway:confused::D

Lets put it this way, Im using android all the time now.

I have been for a few days, And I dont really ever want to go back to winmo

Its just annoying all the people who got the phone and then bash winmo simply because they didnt research it!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] p3eps:
I'm currently on my third Window Mobile HTC phone. I like the OS, but felt obliged to carry on using it after purchasing some Apps that I'd feel a bit lost without.

I purchased an iPhone 4 a few weeks ago, and sold it within a week. I didn't really feel a proper bond with it!

I'm now running Android on my HD2 when I come home from work (I don't want the battery running down when I'm at work - so I stick with WinMo) - and I think its brilliant. The HD2 hardware seems to run much smoother and is more responsive with Android - and I find typing on the keyboard much easier. I think Android is easier to use too.

For me a full dual boot would be the ideal solution! I'd like to be able to run Android in a more permanent basis - and hopefully the genius' here will get it working to this sort of capacity... but I'd still like to be able to go back on occasion and use WinMo for some of the Apps I have.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] chvvkumar:
IMHO a huge factor why people are finding WinMo smoother than Android is simple because Android is running off of the SD card where as WinMo is running from NAND. I guess once we have Android on NAND, it would be as fast as WinMo.

As for the UI, widgets are a killer feature for me on android.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] chris_ah1:
I think the nand only affects the boot....i havent found a killer widget yet. TBH CHT was my killer widget for Sense+winmo.

And tbh Sense on android is pretty much sense on winmo - just on winmo you can continuously scroll, rather than have a limited number before you have to start launching them. I DO prefer the homepage style of winmo+CHT to android - sorry!

What are your killer widgets chvvkumar?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] chvvkumar:
Hey,

Not any one particular widget but rather the whole way of the widget interface. While CHT (especially with ver 1.8) is a LOT more flexible when compared to previous WM UI, it still feels like WinXP+litestep Vs. Win7 when we compare WinMo Vs. Android.

Now, I am not saying WinMo is bad, but just like XP it was good when it was new (though Sense + CHT almost make up for the shortcomings)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] g2tl:
I dearly miss ms office and coreplayer

Other than that, android has everything I need in a nice, touch-friendly format

How android handles multiple email accounts is probably enough to stop me from going back to the dated winmo 6.5.x (which came out in 2010)

CHT is great, but once you click on a quicklink, I'm back to fragmentation of the past
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] loaferkan:
I agree with you on all points. I think WM with all the sense and Co0kies gotten with CHT way better...the only think WM lack is the application. I have shub android, and using the Market, and tell you what! Even the free apps are kicking big time...and plus It just has a way smooth feeling. I am still a big fan of WM and I hope they work on making the apps for this thing...I Like the Android: such as Voice, and so much into google stuff...

Wished there was a way that I could run the Android apps on WM
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] willgill:
MattC's build is great (and IMO the best build) but it's not close to an EVO in terms of speed. I've got two EVOs and my Telstra HD2. Even with a 4Gig class 10, the HD2 has some stuttering or hesitates to catch up occasionally. You really notice it when you have a couple of things going at once. CAN it be as fast? Dang near ... as soon as we load it in NAND.

I'd have to agree with the person that said WinMo isn't that bad... IT ISN'T!! I used MattC's for two days. I've also used one of the EVOs for a day. Android's handling of Exchange mail isn't quite as good as WinMo's. I also haven't found an interface with tweaks in Android that I can do with SPB Mobile Shell on WinMo.

If WinMo had apps like Android (or iPhone), I'd never consider Android.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] voiceofid:
not sure we can compare with evo much longer, my friend just ran quadrant standard on his froyo evo and he scored 969, my hd2 with the new zimage scored 1366!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jjones1983:
I'm not sure how much I trust the numbers I/we get from Quadrant Standard. I score in that ballpark too, and while it's cool to think we're outrunning these devices such as the EVO, Nexus One, etc. the fact of the matter is the EVO has nearly identical hardware to the HD2 and runs Android natively, so I find it pretty hard to believe it's being crushed by the HD2 running Android ROMs from (even a high class) SD card... But honestly, I know little to nothing about what that App actually tests so I'm essentially just spouting off at the mouth, heh.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] forumx:
I too have been using mattc Leo + Froyo w/Sense RC1.4 on my HD2 and must say it is most usable speed wise. However, my biggest concern is heat as the phone get really hot even after some moderate usage. It can easily go over 40C and I certainly don't feel comfortable with that.

I watch a lot of video on my HD2 and really miss Coreplayer. I have yet to find a video player that even come close. The biggest problem is missing brightness control and "Right-orientation". (I hate the default landscape orientation where the vol buttons are at the bottom).

Also, all android MP3 players has this Media Library feature that really annoy me. I don't need them to scan my entire SD Card and load all the ring tones for me. I just want to open and play a music file or folder, like the good old WM pocket player or pocket music.

In general, there are a lot of apps on the Android market but they just lack the quality of the major software maker, like SPB, SBSH, Resco etc that really makes good software for mobile device.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] zipxavier:
Try rockplayer as a Coreplayer replacement. Works very well for me. I also like bTunes for music as it basically replicates the iPod Touch/iPhone interface
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] poweroutlet:
Looking at the benchmark, I found that a nexus one with froyo gets 1270. I ran the benchmark and got about 1130, but I had a few apps running in the background. I guess atleast in whatever this thing tests, we are pretty close already to the other snapdragon devices on froyo. It will only get better with further optimizations and running from nand.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] chalid:
Highly unlikley, but not impossible. I tried to boot Android 4 weeks ago and during bootup the screen went black. I wanted to turn it back on and noticed the device was VERY hot - and booting up didnt work anymore. No lifesign. Coudnt even get into the bootloader ... So the HD2 was completly dead after trying to boot Android ...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] hoss_n2:
and how you fixed it
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] chalid:
had to send it to htc for repairs ... nothing else I could have done. mainboard was fried I guess, because the back of the device was REALLY hot - not just quite hot ...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] chris_ah1:
I think power management really does need to be imrpoved - but I think if users go for the setcpu+screen brightness and conservative governor then they should be fine. I have only done the first two steps and my phone is using as much as winmo, and does not get hot at all now.

If you really want to test them, compare wifi routing on winmo vs android to test max impact on heat+battery. that is the easiest and most stressful comparison I can think of.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Rocheau:
I am running Android from 2 weeks ago as my primary OS. However I missing from WM Tom Tom, IGO, Coreplayer, the Phone function - I prefer WM for dialing- , Resco Explorer, Resco Photo, SPB TIME, SKTOOLS, POCKET FRIZT 4,NITROGEN,G-ALARM-- Most of the things I do not really care, I can live with out them, but at least TOM TOM, IGO and G-ALARM, are must have applications for me. What is concerns me more is the heat of the phone while the OS is running Android, but I have started to deal with Set CPU and now more of the heating problem has gone., however the battery seems to perform better on WM.

Having said that, I would prefer to keep both systems and decided whether entering on Android or WM depending on the case. I do not really think that one OS will be better than the other, just different. There are some function that I just can find on Android, but they could run perfectly on WM. It's a pity but most developers have started to forget WM.

I am now on vacation so I just prefer to keep Android as my main OS, but once I start work again I will change to WM, just because its seems to me a more reliable system. Who knows? Maybe in two months, more of my concerns about Android, have been solved.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] PreVayl:
I think running it off of th sd card is actually slowing it down

When you think of personal computer like desktop pc and laptops imagine running windows 7 of of a external hard drive, it wouldnt be as smooth as on the running off of the internal HDD, i think if you install Droid straight into your rom and have it running solo. you will get all the same speed. people are comparing the Desire droid phone to a hd2 dual boot with droid on the sdcard. sounds like apple and oranges. im going to try putting it on my rom running it solo on my hd and ill leave reviews
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jvillejoe:
just bought a class 10 16 gb sd card ill let you know what the desire biuld v5 does and how fast it is :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] spazbite33:
do you reckon we would be able to get apple os on this device? not that i want to, but was just wondering as we can get android on it why not ios?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mackman3:
I can't wait to hear the results, I'm thinking of getting on as well
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] aenedor:
From memory a few folks got their windows registry corrupted with very early versions, but a hard reset fixed that... so risks are minimal. It will however consume a lot of your time ;) seriously this is fun :) almost addicting :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] zooklov:
Please come back here to tell us if it works. With details on the 'how to'. Or open a new thread . Cause many of us are interested in that.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] somebully:
No one capable of that would be interested in that :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] hoss_n2:
you all need to test mattc Leo + Froyo w/Sense RC1.5 with the new kernal and you certainly will know that our speed is equal if not faster than the desire itself , add for that the proper multitouch that we have
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jvillejoe:
Still waiting for SD card to come can't wait!

edit: class 10 16g kingston sd card owns speedy for sure
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] wardh:
That would be alot harder then Android, no drivers would be for free and iOS isn't open source. Nearly impossible i guess. :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] GbrilliantQ:
Seems faster. :cool:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] christonabike:
It's getting there. Apart from occasional hangs accessing the SD card, it's very close indeed.

I'm just uploading a quick (slightly crappy) youtube clip of the HD2 and desire running quadrant side by side. The scores are pretty much the same but the HD2 seems to fly through the cpu/io/memory tests in comparison.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] hoss_n2:
where to find this video
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] christonabike:
It's uploading.. very slowly :(

I'll post a link when it's up
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] hoss_n2:
thanks , and i hope of future os performance comparizon
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] christonabike:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQyPo8wZ9VI

It's fuzzy (my camera doesn't do macro), and apologies for the music - that wasn't supposed to be in there
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] hoss_n2:
the hd2 seems to be faster , but the final result are not obvious , by the way how to get the stock froyo on mattc 1.5 , and where to get the fullram zimage
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] christonabike:
Both roms were using launcher pro, otherwise they're unmodified.

I'm uploading a replacement video as you really can't see much on that one :)

I got the full ram image out of the 07 Aug thread on here..

edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQyPo8wZ9VI
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] low-dogg:
This is not to start a war.. but I have a desire and I have my trusty hd2.. I have tried with every single Android build out tjere, right now running mattc 1.5 and I totally disagree with you..

The hd2 runs well enough for day 2 day use, but I can't even compare it to my desire.

The desire is iPhone 3gs smooth all the time, the hd2 is never..

Now I'm not saying its bad, because I'm blowed away with how well the devs have made it run so far..

But do not say that it is as fast cause that's lying:)

By the way I'm running it from a 4gb class 10 card..
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] xmRipper:
Technically it should be faster than Nexus One ...

It's still slow. Simple.

Check grass live wallpaper. While sliding the pages, grass moves choppy. It doesn't smooth.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] velcrobandits:
from a nontechnical standpoint, im fully confident it will happen. with darkstone's previous build i experienced nearly no slowdowns except when i ran a lot of apps (f*** androids memory management, a lot of android apps aren't written to idle properly and they take up both ram and cpu cycles). in fact i underlocked to under 500mhz and still ran fine. aside from the screen issues, his newest build is lightning fast as well ie zero slowdowns. even the market apps i read comments for evo and desire users complain of slowdowns where i experience nearly none. long story short, once its on nand memory, i expect it to be awesome.
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] danielt021:
do any of you guys know of prl hack or something similar that woud let me roam on verizon with 3g speed? thanks a lot
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bcarter2000:
Sprint doesn't have 3G where I live, so I found a work around. You will need a stock htc dialer. Press ##775# and you will need to enter your MSL which you can get from Sprint (Edit: Or you can download msl reader from market). I don't remember the exact options in the menu, but it's not difficult to sort through. There are several PRLs you can use from Verison, but some will show your data as roaming. I use this one:

http://www.the-answerman.com/sidlist/prl/40060.prl

I've had it for three months now, and no data roaming. I get great reception (even in elevators) and voices come through clear.

Edit: This is under the assumption you have Sprint service.

When I upgraded to the Evo in December, and I would use this, it would show on the bill as data roaming.
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] danielt021:
Yeah I updated to this prl, but still I roam with only 1G speed, any other prls that I can find please?
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] steindog99:
Here are the rest of the Verizon PRLs that I was able to find. There are around 7 or 8 in the zip file. Use whichever one works best for where you are...

I take no credit for making any of these modified PRL files. All credit goes to techknowfile from this thread: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=696073

Hope this helps...
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] danielt021:
Thanks for your help.
[Desire General] wieben:
Is there any ALT ALL 2.2 ROM's out there, with all LED colours working?:confused:
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jterpslaw:
Hey guys,

Quick question regarding the Evo's camera after the most recent Froyo update. (I am on build # 3.26.651.6)

I read on one of the detailed reviews of Froyo for Evo that one of the upgrades to the camera was supposed to be buttons on the side with no more slider. Did that include the Evo or was that only for other phones that are getting the Froyo update (i.e., the Droid series)?

My camera currently has the slide out menu, same as it did before Froyo. Wondering if something is off, or if the Evo simply did not have that change. I added some pics for you to see the difference.

Thanks.

~Jterpslaw
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SilverZero:
The 2nd photo is what it looks like in an AOSP ROM. Sense still uses the first version, although the icons do rotate when you go into landscape mode in 2.2 (in Fresh 3.1.0.1 anyway). CM6 uses the AOSP-style camera.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jterpslaw:
Thx

Thanks. I am on the newest build of froyo so I dont think I can upgrade to CM6 yet.
[Vibrant General] ultra spikey:
Does the Vibrant run at the full 1GHz speed when on(assuming the CPU is doing work)? And does anyone know what it runs at in standby? And when it's on but idle?
[Vibrant General] ttabbal:
It is set to drift between 100 and 1000 Mhz as needed.
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] liorweitz:
hi,

is there a way to enable apps2ds on stock rooted 2.1 rom?

i have busybox if its needed.

thanks
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pulser_g2:
http://villainrom.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=100&t=1973 contains some stock ROMs with various things included in them. That might be easier for you to flash, rather than pushing the scripts manually, and worrying about if you have init.d support in your boot image or not...
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] liorweitz:
okay thanks
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pulser_g2:
Moved to Q&A
[Touch CDMA Android Development] fldash:
What are your benchmarks? I was reading the EVO gets like 55 on FPS2d, but I ran it once and got 60 with StdDev of 11. My quadrant was 114. And Linpack is 1.618 MFLOPS. I'm upgrading to EVOs today, so was just wanted to get a feel for how much of a difference I'd see which should be a lot, but I was really blow away by my FPS2D benchmark...
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] masi0:
Hi. I have asked on Themes forum but no feedback so will try here.

By mistake I have deleted TouchWizCalculator , TouchWizCalendar and TouchWizCalendarProvider in my rom:D I dont want to reflash it and root/lag fix again.

could some using JG5 could attach those files?Thx
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] fua:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=712594
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bthessel:
Ok this was a blast from the past for me last night, I remember this happening on my Mogul. My evo was lying on the counter charging, the phone rang and while it was still ringing I could clearly hear the person calling talking to someone else with them before I even picked up the phone to answer it.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SilverZero:
Does it still count against your minutes if you don't answer the phone? ;)
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] oOflyeyesOo:
I was thinking about if this was possible a couple weeks ago, I don't see why it wouldn't be, just have to activate their mic when they call.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] princessakiki:
This happened all the time on my touch pro 2 with energy rom glad no one was talking crap before I picked up.

MzChiChi»» Coming from my Evo 4g with Tapatalk Pro
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] awesomerobot:
That's actually kind of cool - I wonder if someone can build an app that would do this intentionally.