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[HD2 General] rumz82:
Looks - very sexy

Feel - very good build

Speed - ok......could be a bit faster though.

User friendlyness - Not really

retina display- To be honest.......i dont see much difference really. Im starting to feel it was just a sales technique! Nothing magical about it.

Web surfing- actually pretty good, quite fast.....but screen too small!

Videos- watched "2012" on it.....looks ok.Again, nothing magical. But, Youtube video quality isnt the best even on wifi. Can not beat HD2!

Photos - Got to admit, is very good. Inc the camera.

Volume - Personally, i find the system volume too low. Sometimes i miss new messages and email

Emails- better than WinMo ( i know, hate to admit it!)

Messaging - couldvr been better if we could threaded or not.

Eye Candy? - Nope....unlike the HD2

Personalising/customising - should i even bother? :D

Annoyingness- Magically Unlimited!
[HD2 General] ReganH22:
I played with the T-Mobile Vibrant yesterday, and to be honest I dont think I would trade my HD2 in for one. The phone was pretty cool, but I was not really impressed by the screen. It did seem pretty responsive, but the major drawback to that phone was it felt so cheap. It was really thin and light, but it felt like I could easily break it if I dropped it. Its still a nice phone though.
[HD2 General] fuuunkdat:
@ rumz82 someone has smeared a Iturd on your sig please remove it lol
[HD2 General] kilrah:
Friend jut got an iPhone 4 too and I've been playing with it... The screen is good, indeed can't distinguish the pixels even from close... but IMO it's such that it feels a bit "artificial" on photos. It displays web sites at full width, but the HD2 does that too. And while when doing it even the smallest text is still readable thanks to the resolution, it's so small you'd need to have your phone 4 inches from the eyes. If that's the revolution...

All in all, I'll take the HD2's larger screen any day. So much more comfortable in actual use.

There are cool things though. Especially the camera is very very good. UI is even more smooth, and everything just works, no reboots, no hacking around etc. I really like the new hardware, but it would just need to have the HD2's screen.

Still might pick one up for some time tho, even if that means selling it again after a couple of months, seeing how these things sell like hot cakes and are sold out everywhere it wouldn't be too much of a loss.
[HD2 General] DN41:
nice thread here :D

DN41
[HD2 General] Kalavere:
They charged you the best part of £300 to list, sell and handle though Paypal?! :eek:
[HD2 General] d33f:
if you can't use your smartphone cause of NO 3G reception (while you should have reception) what's the use of a smartphone ? i heared all the rumors about the reception problem @ iphone4 but that it would be that bad in real life usage ?? EPIC FAIL!! and that for a phone prized like a gold plated pearfone 4000..(

at least that you would expect for a phone with no use ;P

In the netherlands we call it the aaiphone :P Translation: the caressphone, please don't grab me to hard or else suffer reception loss/call drops xDthe wordplay is funnier in dutch though :P

No i will stick to my beloved HD2 till HD3(or comparable phone;) )got most of the time max 3g reception and after some repairs my phone is working butter smooth.. no lockups, resets, totally nothing :) just working like a smart phone should, ow and don't forget the nice gorgious big ass screen :P really love watching some high bitrate series/movies on it :)
[HD2 General] ketzazu:
How to sync hd2 with iTunes?

How do you get the HD2 to sync with iTunes ? Is it by the DoubleTwist software? If not, would you share the steps?

Thanks!
[HD2 General] ketzazu:
I was expecting a 4.0 display with iPhone 4

That is one of the disappointing aspects of the iPhone 4 besides no doubling of storage to 64gb for music. I skipped the iPhone 3G so I skip the iPhone 4 because the next iPhone will be better. I don't understand why it sells so much
[HD2 General] ReganH22:
This is the only thing you need. http://ita.sourceforge.net/ Just follow the instructions and its really easy. It works really well.
[HD2 General] p3eps:
Not quite!

£995 + £962 = £1957

The iPhones COST £599 each - so take £1198 off that = £755.

My PayPal / Final Value fees must've been about £100 in total - as the listing cost was about £1.30!
[HD2 General] Spl4tt:
i got the same boring experience: played around with an iphone from a friend, he said i can have it for a while.. guess what, after 5mins or so i just stopped and gave it back again.

i just didnt know what to do, thers the homescreen, and the lockscreen. thats it, soooooooooooo cool

its truly nothing for me >.<
[HD2 General] rumz82:
Lol! :D :D

Just an update guys......I jailbroke the phone now(apparently its legal now but does void the warranty) and the experience is just that tiny ;) bit better (user friendliness). But now the battery seems to die quicker, and it seems to have slowed down the device a bit...:mad:

Personally have no idea about Cydia but learning slowly.......

For F*ck sake, cant even change the system font easily!
[HD2 General] paaanda:
I just switched from HD2 to iPhone 4, NEVER going back to winmo again, never going back to HTC again. Its so good to not constantly looking for a place to charge my phone. Its so good to have a phone thats actually user friendlyand you dont need spending an half hour just to read your mail. Its nice to have an phone that is not so fragile you have to but in a bag to carry it around. There is only one thing the HD2 is better in than an iPhone, and thats being bad in user interface.

And I didn't manage to sell my HD2 before I sold it with android, that really tells something...
[HD2 General] rp-x1:
Just wondering, but why are you still on the HD2 forums if it was so bad?
[HD2 General] NORMANKOOL001:
Don't know how you're spending 1/2 an hour reading your mail on the HD2. I can do it instantly on my Trinity, which is 4 years old!

Says the guy with the iPhone 4 which has 2 sides made of glass. Hmm...

I hope you get voted 'Best in class' at Show and Tell tomorrow. It's obvious what age you are if it takes you 1/2 an hour to read your mail, plus your obvious lack of grammar skills.
[HD2 General] fuuunkdat:
+1 also hope he enjoys not having a signal!!!! :D
[HD2 General] rumz82:
I wish I could agree.............but frankly I dont. But I guess that doesnt matter to you & its your opinion.

"I just upgraded to the iPhone 4 ,NEVER will again do it, never going to apple again. Its so good with HD2 not looking for itunes everywhere just to add something to the phone. Its so good to have a phone thats actually user friendly and you dont need to spend half hour trying to sync your phone just to add files/items to your phone. Its nice to have a phone that is not so limited and boring that you need to hide in a bag and carry it around. There is only one thing the iPhone is better than the HD2, and thats "Facetime" ;) :D (joke). And i do feel i'll manage to sell my iPhone just coz its got an APPLE logo on it....that really tells me something!"

(Nothing personal mate ;) )
[HD2 General] Johev:
I am just on my hd2 reading these posts and lol. It was a very nice reply, I did not have the chance to try out the ip4, just the 3gs, which was not bad, but I still went for this one instead. When I read posts like this I know I made a good choice.
[HD2 General] rumz82:
Thanks. Im glad i made someone smile :) U did make a good choice bro. Just dont mess up like i did with my upgrade ;) But luckily, i still have my HD2 and use it with my PAYG! But thinking of changing it around........once I start pulling my hair out due to the iPhone! :D

whether iPhone 3GS or iPhone 4....... same bad Apple & same ****! :D
[HD2 General] s21s20:
I now have both the iphone 4 and the HD2 and can confirm that here in Australia that their is no antenna issue even without a case or bumper.

I now have the HD2 with a mobile broadband sim card in it (just edited the APN) and works fantastically as a mobile wifi that feeds my ipad. All features of the HD2 still work apart from making or receiving calls obviously.

Love the iphone 4 for its sexy design,portability,easy syncing and its fantastic app store. But having said that I am not ready to give up my HD2 as it too has it's uses, personally I like web browsing on the HD2 better but hate emails, marketplace and texting on it.

Best of both worlds from where I sit.
[HD2 General] Proz00:
guys lets wait to android to be on ROM and will see who is better :)
[HD2 General] grayme:
My wife has an iphone 4 and she loves it.

I have to admit that the apps she shows me are great (today she showed me a free one that does speech to text). It is getting annoying that all the apps are just for iphone, now if only someone could get something to get iphone apps to run on WM... :D

But it's not for me, I don't like how computers are moving towards the dumb end of the market. I'm typing this on my MacBook running Windows XP, I didn't find that OSX 'just works' and didn't like how I never knew what it had done with my files (and bloatware itunes is everything I hate in a program). I'm sticking with XP too, I guess I'm not a PC and W7 wasn't my idea.

So I love WM, I love how it is what I make it, not how someone else wanted it. I just hope that WM7 isn't going the way of OSX, iphone, Android, and Windows 7; it's my device, let me control it.
[HD2 General] whizzkid_cool:
ha ha ha...... "Annoyingness- Magically Unlimited!" i like that~~!! LOL

cheers for HD2..... ^.^V
[HD2 General] mwerkz:
Being a user of the 3 platforms, I have to say they all have their own strengths.

The iphone 4 is a good phone for people who just don't bother, everything is easy. I don't have any reception issues in my country so I can't empathize. Its so easy to find an app or accessory for it and everything just looks pretty. And it is true, MOST of the things just works, no headaches.

Winmo is brainy and not for the faint-hearted. People who complain about it are usually those who have pea brains and find an occasional freeze up unacceptable and would rather spend their time sleeping than try to find a solution. It beats the iphone hands down with functionality (if you know how to customize to your needs that is - sorry, no spoon feeding, you're a grown up). Things aren't as pretty, but they are smarter. Only gripe with HD2 is its big for my tiny hands and can't beat the iphone for single hand usage.

IMHO, android will be the future if the market continues to expand. Its really a cross of iOS and wimMo functionality. Current ones on my phone don't really provide much customization so not much comment as yet. Really looking forward to HD2 can getting a stable ROM!
[HD2 General] brynweb:
I'm really looking forward to trading my HD2 for a Desire HD (aka Ace).
[HD2 General] donwhann:
but having to carry about 2 phones.........no thanks.
[HD2 General] rumz82:
Thanks :D :D :D
[HD2 General] nrfitchett4:
ummm, iphone4 is not fragile???

http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&q=iphone4 broken&safe=active&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi

http://gizmodo.com/5573009/apple-replaces-some-shattered-iphone-4s-what-about-yours

Want to rephrase that???
[HD2 General] mdmhd2:
I upgraded to iPhone 4 since 30 of July. I had an HD2 for 6 months. Why did I bought an iPhone? Maybe laziness. iPhone does all with less effort and without the need of tweaking here and there. HD2 has a bigger screen and I misses it but I must confess that iPhone is more 'portable'. Retina display is cool but like Stevie said. Camera simply ROCKS! I've 2 babies and Camera is the biggest reason I bought an iPhone. There are a lot pros but I've to go now. I misses Office/Business side of the hd2 though...
[HD2 General] rumz82:
+1 :D :D :D
[HD2 General] Spl4tt:
+1 xD

i read that on giz too, apple is just stupid
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TurbineTester:
By the question you can tell that i'm rather inexperienced at this, but a buddy of mine(who has a Droid on VZW) and i were debating whether or not doing an OTA update after you root would cause you to loose your ability to root forever.

I guess it's different on both devices, but he contends that he could unroot his droid, which is running a custom 2.2 ROM, install an OTA update, decide he doesn't like it, then just go back to a 2.1 RUU from VZW or Motorola, and then re-root.

Everything i have read here about the EVO indicates that if i am already rooted, and i accept an OTA update, then i will never be able to root again. Does never, really mean never? Or is it just mean that i won't be able to root using the current methods to root the phone?

What if i had never rooted and then accepted the OTA 2.2 from sprint that may be coming this week, would i then be able to root?

What exactly does the update do to remove the ability to get /root access to the phone? Something with the bootloader, HBOOT, or what?

Thanks for the information. Hopefully, this will settle this question for my friend and I.

Chris
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TeknoJnky:
OTA updates typically break any existing root methods, and disable any current root access.

Some OTA's also update the phone in a manner which prevents older official roms (that have working roots) from being reinstalled.

At that point, you have an updated rom with known roots removed, that can't be rolled back, so the only option is to wait until another root exploit is found and released. Which may or may not happen depending on the device and whoever is working on it.

Hope that helps.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] snandlal:
You can take and accept as many updates as you want....you just have to modify that update by replacing the new hboot with the engineering one.....that way you can freely flash zip files
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] omegasun18:
HTC is tricksy and they dont let you roll back after the OTA. Motorolla may not have this so your friend may in fact be able to roll back to 2.1 (however he may be misinformed as well).

To root basically they find a bug to exploit that allows us to gain access as a root user. when the OTA updates come out 99% of the time they will fix this bug. HTCat least blocks roll backs so now you are on a new version of the software that you can not go backwards and the bug to root is no longer there.

While there are normally other bugs that can be exploited to get root it is possible that there isnt one or that if there is no one can find it. if they cant find it then it could remove your ability to root permanently.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] omegasun18:
while true accepting an OTA will not give you the chance to do this for most.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TurbineTester:
ok, that explains things a little better. thanks.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pscalett:
I'm new to all of this as well. My EVO has already been updated OTA by a Sprint employee while I was purchasing the phone. From what I've read it looks like I'm SOL until someone cracks 2.2. One quick question though... How long did it take people to be able to root the first software on the EVO's?
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 1107963:
Hello

I just got my first Droid like a month ago.. I have the HTC I. and I like everything about the phone but I was wondering if there is anyway to get the new messages notification in the Lockscreen... like the notifications that you get in the Slide to Unlock in windows mobile.

I would appreciate any help or comments.....

NOTE: my phone is stock not rooted!
[Android Apps and Games] brandonb81:
I just updated to the newest Facebook app. Looks pretty nice. Back out of it and shut the display off. Pick my phone up like 15-20 minutes later and 10% of my battery was gone, about. I check Spare Parts, under Partial Wake Usage and Facebook is at the top of the list with a giant bar. I checked running services and it's got a Facebook Service that stays running apparently. I closed it.

Just want to see if anyone else experiences the same type of battery issues with the new update.
[Android Apps and Games] Foxwolfe:
It's possible, my phone is down to 82% right now and the screen has been off almost the entire time since I unplugged it at 7:30am...

Now it's down to 81%. And yes checking in spare parts and Facebook is at the top of the list with an almost full bar and next in line is Android system with a small sliver.

I'll have to keep an eye on this to see if somethings going on.
[Android Apps and Games] khaytsus:
Not that I've noticed, but System Panel shows it is using some CPU, which I don't recall the other version doing. I have refresh off, but notifications on.
[Android Apps and Games] brandonb81:
I killed the process and it seems to have gone back to normal. I really didn't give it that much of a test admittedly, but it really seemed like Facebook was constantly polling for notifications.

I can't wait for 2.2 and push notifications from regular apps.
[Android Apps and Games] Foxwolfe:
Yeah my battery is down to 74% now, I just killed the app and will see how things look in another 20 minutes.
[Android Apps and Games] Foxwolfe:
Since killing the Facebook process my battery has remained at 74%, so I'd say thats a good confirmation of your thoughts on this new version being the culprit.
[Android Apps and Games] marclile:
yep... mine's doing it too. if you go into the sync settings and turn off syncing for fb, it looks like it stops. i actually have syncing and notifications both turned off and mine appears to be ok now.

yeah, how the hell do you release a new version and have this big of a bug in it. i mean come on, why would it not let the phone go to "sleep". none of the other apps that poll for data every once in a while have a problem letting the phone go back to sleep after they are done.
[Android Apps and Games] marclile:
correction... i have had syncing and notifications turned off for the past few hours and i just checked again and Facebook has kept the phone awake the whole time. time to uninstall it i guess.
[Android Apps and Games] Paul22000:
Yup! I noticed this too since updating Facebook last night. MASSIVE battery drain.

Here is 100% clear proof. Since last night after updating Facebook, my phone was "in use" for 13 hours and 15 minutes, with Facebook on and holding partial wake for the majority of that time...

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And here is a great app I use called Battery Graph. I updated Facebook around 1 and went to bed around 1:45. Notice how my battery just gets absolutely destroyed while I'm sleeping (even with the phone in Airplane Mode).

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Using a task manager to kill the app might work temporarily, but if anyone knows of a permanent fix, please post!
[Android Apps and Games] khaytsus:
Great. So what's the fix, turn off syncing? Notifications? Both?

I hadn't noticed any problems today in terms of battery, but last I looked it had kept the phone awake.
[Android Apps and Games] marclile:
i thought that would fix it. and it looked like it might have today when i tried turning off both options because i checked a few times after turning them off and the phone was going to sleep.

but i just checked a few minutes ago and it still kept my phone "awake" almost the whole time after turning off the options.

i don't know if anyone else can confirm that turning off those options works or doesn't work but it didn't work for me.
[Android Apps and Games] marclile:
i sent something over to Phil at Android Central. i hope that he can confirm this, even though it definitely looks like it's effecting all phones, and post an article or something. i don't really have a loud enough voice to let everyone know that there is a problem :)
[Android Apps and Games] mathias.lithen:
I uninstalled the update, and waiting for the next update..
[Android Apps and Games] JPDyno:
Doesn't work. I had sync, and notifications all turned off, still kept phone awake. I even rebooted the phone, then loaded the facebook app again (double checked notifications and sync were still off)... and it stayed awake for an hour sitting in my pocket.
[Android Apps and Games] marclile:
that's what i figured. way to go facebook :rolleyes:

this kind of sucks too because i actually think that the new version is a step in the right direction for the app. it is finally starting to look polished. hopefully they put out an updated version that fixes this.
[Android Apps and Games] splmonster:
Having the same issue, I updated to the new Facebook post Froyo update for my Evo. Getting same massive battery drain, and awake time staying almost identical to up time. I also caught the service in "running services" and found that it took 10mb at the start and constantly grew in size over time of the phone being on.
[Android Apps and Games] marclile:
great... it refuses to let the phone go to sleep AND is has a memory leak. awesome :rolleyes:
[Android Apps and Games] splmonster:
Yeah basically what I had to do was uninstall the update and go back to old version. I also had to delete facebook out of accounts/sync.
[Android Apps and Games] alextrox69:
You can uninstall the updates on the evo..just go to applications and theres a option for unistalling updates...im glad since i didnt have to unistall the app
[Android Apps and Games] splmonster:
Also make sure you remove the account it adds to Accounts/Sync.
[Android Apps and Games] alextrox69:
So the old app never drained the battery?
[Android Apps and Games] splmonster:
Doesn't seem to, not showing usage that high for it.
[Android Apps and Games] marclile:
never did for me.
[Android Apps and Games] handfish:
Same issue on my desire. Uninstalled it.
[Android Apps and Games] orkillakilla:
Spare parts showing Facebook on top for partial wake usage with a full bar on HTC Eris
[Android Apps and Games] abanh:
I have the evo 4g, and from what I notice if I'm logged into the Facebook app the phone doesn't sleep. If I log out (when in the app hit 'menu' then sign out) the phone can sleep again.
[Android Apps and Games] Foxwolfe:
Just a quick addition but since turning notifications off my battery drain is back to normal levels, I do still have sync on.
[Android Apps and Games] radxcoresteven:
Can anyone recommend a good alternative to the official app then?
[Android Apps and Games] splmonster:
Just uninstall the updates and go back to the previous version.
[Android Apps and Games] robfactory:
For those looking for a Facebook alternative.

I always install Babbler 1.4.5 on my phone http://www.megaupload.com/?d=YJEO6ZIR

If you go under settings it also lets you set Twitter.

Advantages:

It lets you upload videos and photos.

Refresh is set in (Secs) rather than the 30 minute minimum.

There's no video mb limit while uploading. (Only the FB min.)

The notifications actually work.

Disadvantages:

Discontinued. So no longer in the market, so no more updates/support.

It wont let you add people, but will let you know someone tried to add you.

You can't view old Mail.

Overall I think it has a lot of features that the new FB 1.3 should have had.

Not to mention the video uploader.

It also becomes an option when you tried to Share Video and Pics.

Enjoy!
[Android Apps and Games] HyBReDM:
Same issue here. :|
[Android Apps and Games] splmonster:
If anyone needs it, I can provide the APK for the last version of Facebook app.
[Android Apps and Games] HyBReDM:
Please do!
[Android Apps and Games] driftin:
I can confirm that shutting off notifications returned "partial wake lock" release, thereby returning battery to normal. Never could get notifications to actually notify, anyways...

Sent from my HERO200
[Android Apps and Games] splmonster:
Lucky.. Didn't for me, and two other Evo's. I will just wait for an update.
[Android Apps and Games] lexluthor:
Turning off notifications and refresh did not stop the facebook app from keeping the phone awake for me either.
[Android Apps and Games] brandonb81:
It sucks. They really need to get 2.2 out for all the devices. 2.2 will allow for push notifications from non google apps which will solve this problem.