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[Epic 4G Accessories] rufflez2010:
These are meant specifically for phones with keyboards so you don't press the wrong buttons. It looks simple and sweet and not ridiculously priced.
[Epic 4G Accessories] NeonMonster:
Someone was asking about the Gamegrip on a Droid Incredible. Do you realize how ridiculous it would be to put a gamegrip on a touchscreen? It would cover up the majority of the screen. :P

Yeah, these are definitely only for phones with keyboards.

Just saw the video review on the Gamegrip for the N900, and it looks awesome!
[Epic 4G Accessories] ForrelZ:
They should put these things on the new iPhone, could you imagine the headlines?

Game grip kills death grip, and plays games too.
[Epic 4G Accessories] los1223:
I have requested one as well, black and green =) I ask anyone with a minute to spare to do so as well, even if you yourself wouldn't get it. You'd be helping those of us who would like to have one =)
[Epic 4G Accessories] retrobits:
Please request GameGripper for Epic with XBOX color scheme. Its the best!
[Epic 4G Accessories] NeonMonster:
Color requested isn't as important as the fact that you request the EPIC 4G. ;)

When they release gamegrips for different phones, you have the option to choose the color/buttoncolor when purchasing the grip!
[Epic 4G Accessories] DJPellegrino:
Submitted a request to help further your cause...and possibly mine... :)
[Epic 4G Accessories] vavaud:
Submitted a request
[Epic 4G Accessories] bloodpool:
I submitted a request as well but I also asked if they could possibly add 2 more buttons since a decent PS emulator is available on the Android Marketplace now. Atleast I've heard it was decent.

Figured since the Epic has a huge keyboard they might be able to fit 2 more buttons on there. Doesn't look like the current GameGripper has enough buttons for playing PS games with all the buttons. I know placement will be weird but some PS games need R1, L1, R2, and L2. I doubt the power button and camera button can be mapped as playable buttons in the emulator.

EDIT: Saw a YouTube video of someone using the GameGripper on their Droid and they were able to map the camera button and volume buttons as shoulder buttons in an emulator.
[Epic 4G Accessories] kennethlongshaw:
link please?
[Epic 4G Accessories] NeonMonster:
On ALL of the emulators (psx4Droid, gameboid, gbcoid, snesoid) you are able to map ALL buttons on the phone except for power & home buttons.

Back on my Nexus, I used the volume keys, and the capacitive keys as start/select buttons for emulators.
[Epic 4G Accessories] rawsoup:
It maybe different from phone to phone, but on my hero i can use the home and power button. I really hope that we could use some of the phone buttons for the l/r buttons on the epic
[Epic 4G Accessories] NeonMonster:
Oh really?

I was thinking that the 4 home/back/menu/search buttons on the sides of the keyboard would work good as the L1/L2 & R1/R2 triggers.

TBH, until the psx4droid is coded a bit better, i'm probably gonna be sticking with old school GBA and SNES emulators.
[Epic 4G Accessories] Darrien13:
I requested it :D
[Epic 4G Accessories] rawsoup:
^^ ditto, i requested the xbox scheme even though i'm sure they'll have it
[Epic 4G Accessories] NeonMonster:
I badgered them a bit on facebook about a Epic 4G gamegrip, and they said they are planning to make it! :)
[Epic 4G Accessories] DanteDrac:
Sexy find NeonMonster, thanks for posting that to keep us hopeful.
[Epic 4G Accessories] jnadke:
Excellent!

I installed Nesoid the other day and desperately need this.
[Epic 4G Accessories] lordcyrus:
Awesome, can't wait to see it made. Been playing PSX games with it and the keyboard isn't as bad as a lot of people make it out to be, but it'd certainly be more fun and enjoyable with a nice overlay.
[Epic 4G Accessories] bloodpool:
Since you have an Epic and you're using a PSX emulator, would you mind checking to see if the power button can be mapped as a shoulder button? Only reason I ask is because rawsoup said he could do that with his Hero.

Also, are the locations of the camera button and power button comfortable as shoulder buttons with the keyboard extended? I plan on getting an Epic at some point but I haven't seen or touched one in person yet.
[Epic 4G Accessories] sarumont:
I haven't grabbed any emulators (yet), but the camera and power buttons are perfect for shoulder buttons for me (keyboard extended). They are on the keyboard portion of the slider (as are the volume buttons, but those are on the bottom). It may be a bit uncomfortable if you have larger fingers. I'd call my fingers average sized for a Caucasian American male. ymmv, of course. :)
[Epic 4G Accessories] bloodpool:
That's good to hear. If the power button can't be used currently as a mapped button, with enough pestering we could maybe get the developer(s) to change the emulators so we can use the power button as a shoulder button. I'm assuming the developers for the emulators could do that. I doubt it is an Android thing since rawsoup can use the power button on his Hero for a mapped button.

Anyone want to confirm if the power button and camera button can be mapped as a shoulder button in emulators? Might as well try the camera button also just to confirm both work.
[Epic 4G Accessories] dr.pepper1:
In nesoid, you can map the camera button (and the volume buttons, FWIW), though not the power button. When you try to map the power button, it just powers off the screen. Haven't tried any other emulators on the Epic yet.
[Epic 4G Accessories] ImSoHungry:
I just tested psx and I can confirm,you CANNOT map the power button, it just shuts the screen off. You CAN map the camera button, it registers the 2 stage button, so it sets on the half-press. I havnt been able to map the full press since it has to be half-pressed first.
[Epic 4G Accessories] bloodpool:
Thanks guys for testing that out. Sucks we can't use the power button as a mapped button. Seems like it would of made a good shoulder button. People with bigger hands would probably have to use the onscreen controls to use the power button and camera button as shoulder buttons but it would be nice to have that option.

Anyone know if developers can just implement that functionality into their emulators or is it an Android thing?
[Epic 4G Accessories] rawsoup:
Well from experience, it varies from phone to phone but I'm sure there's a way... Maybe
[Epic 4G Accessories] jemarent:
has anyone heard anything cause i was really hoping we would have this for the Epic soon? hopefully they support going diagonal cause that's my biggest problem with the keyboards, only four directions to go...
[Epic 4G Accessories] rawsoup:
Well I requested one a while back and they didn't have the epic as an option and now they do. So I guess they're working on it
[Epic 4G Accessories] Masterface7:
I requested it with super famicon colors.
[Epic 4G Accessories] purebishop:
Great idea! Love this phone and love the keyboard, but it isn't the best for gaming. I'd buy this accessory in a sec.
[Epic 4G Accessories] ImSoHungry:
i cant take the wait! how much longer?:(
[Epic 4G Accessories] bitbang3r:
Diagonals might or might not be possible. It depends entirely on how the Epic's keyboard is matrixed internally, and which keys you're trying to detect. With a matrix-wired keyboard (which the Epic's almost certainly is), you get the same problem with simultaneous-presses that you do trying to do multitouch on a naive touchscreen... you know that something is pressing row A AND row B AND Column X and Column Y, but you don't necessarily know whether it's AX and BY or BX and AY unless you're lucky enough to see one get pressed a fraction of a second before the other.

PC keyboards have the same problem. That's why you can only combine certain keys. The shift, ctrl, and alt keys have dedicated circuits. That's why, for example, you can't detect a Z'ed "x", but you can detect ctrl-shift-alt-x.
[Epic 4G Accessories] Mekishiko:
I wish they fixed that horrible button layout, I had oen for my DROID and I hated the layout.

Why the hell dont they just make them like a Straight 6 like a standard arcade machine or OG COnsole (Saturn./Genesis)
[Epic 4G Accessories] jemarent:
i really hope we can do diagonals, otherwise this thing won't be nearly as cool. I have actually went back to the virtual game pad cause the directional keys are so hard to use.
[Epic 4G Accessories] richabi:
+1

I told em chrome buttons. or graphite...or yellow...or blue haha. maybe a combo of all
[Epic 4G Accessories] NeonMonster:
Thats what I was thinking....

TBH, most games are better on the virtual screen controls.

Coming from the nexus which multitouch was UNUSABLE with the emulators, I wasn't expecting it to work so well on the epic!

I think I'd probably use the virtual controls over the gamegrip in the long run, but I want to try it out!
[Epic 4G Accessories] rawsoup:
Really? I prefer physical buttons over virtual buttons. It gives me a sense of classic gaming. That's just my opinion
[Epic 4G Accessories] DotMpeg:
For emulators using the keyboards I was able to press multiple letters (at least 3) at the same time playing NES Contra

Sent from my Epic 4G using the XDA App
[Epic 4G Accessories] ldrn:
Hey, with Linux, you can set the modifer keys to whatever you want; make z "mod4" and you can detect a mod4'ed "x". :) Could be a fancy software workaround, though.

I have hopes for the Epic's keyboard, but I think it's actually different. :(
[Epic 4G Accessories] jemarent:
I got a reply from someone at game grippers that said they hope to have it available in October. They are in the testing phase now. They will be sending an email out to anyone that asked about the Epic version once it's released. I'm really hope this thing works and supports diagonal directions.
[Epic 4G Accessories] Subroto:
They have a concept pic of it in their "other phones" link in the side menu. Its a pic of the samsung moment but I think it gives you a good idea on how its going to work.
[Epic 4G Accessories] jemarent:
i don't see the "other phones" link. are you on the euro site?
[Epic 4G Accessories] Subroto:
Its on their non flash site. sites dot google dot com slash site slash gamegripper (Thats the url had to write it like that cause i can't post links as new user
[Epic 4G Accessories] jemarent:
cool, thanks. I know i've seen this site before but couln't find it. The flash site they have kinda sucks, this looks better IMO. I think that configuration would work pretty good, but it would be even cooler if we could get the bumpers to work with power and camera buttons. For now it looks like we will have to use the buttons about the start/select buttons. I can't wait for this to come out, it will make SNES so much better on the Epic.
[Epic 4G Accessories] NeonMonster:
LOL!

I used ALL of my emails on the form request page. I think im gonna get 6 or 8 emails from them when they release it! :D

I'm for sure gonna get a game grip to try it out, but the virtual buttons have been good to me for the most part.
[Epic 4G Accessories] rawsoup:
I'll definitely get a game grip to try it too

yea but until zodttd releases his update, i'm not using psx4droid
[Epic 4G Accessories] NeonMonster:
Zodttd said he is working on the PSX4Droid, so I'm sure a good update will come eventually. :)

I'm happy with the emulator for now though! Resident Evil 1, 2, 3, all run next to flawlessly, and about 70% of my roms run close to perfect with minimal lag/stutter.

The thing I'm worried about the gamegrip is the fact that the buttons are basically plastic peg plungers that press the keyboard buttons as far as I know.

The gamegrip works perfect on the droid 1 and 2 with the RUBBER keyboard, but what about the Epics plastic chiclet keyboard? If you repeatedly press down with a plastic plunger on the plastic keyboard (which you would be doing with a emulator) isn't it possible to scratch the plastic keys?
[Epic 4G Accessories] rawsoup:
I don't know. I guess we'll have to just wait and see
[Epic 4G Accessories] m5james:
Submitted a request as well.
[Epic 4G Accessories] jemarent:
i hope they rubberize the buttons for the epic. I would pay an extra $5 for better protection for my keyboard.
[Epic 4G Accessories] bitbang3r:
I just had a terrible realization... this probably won't work with phones that have cases (particularly an aggressive case like a future Otterbox), or a phone with an extended battery. For $15 I'll buy one anyway to use on trips, but that pretty much burns its usefulness for casual adhoc gameplay when standing in line somewhere.

Damn. Sometimes, it really does feel like the universe is just a big computer simulation in some kid's videogame, and he's laughing at us...
[Epic 4G Accessories] ZenInsight:
Oh crap. I didn't think about the extended battery issue. And I've been waiting for that 3200mah from seidio too.
[Epic 4G Accessories] Masterface7:
You could always do this

http://www.brainlazy.com/article/technology/epic-4g-game-pad-mod/
[Epic 4G Accessories] rawsoup:
no thanks, I want my physical keyboard in tact
[Epic 4G Accessories] iceman19631:
I've put in my request as well.
[Epic 4G Accessories] jemarent:
first pics of the game gripper for epic 4g

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...110885708948169&pid=233238&id=110885708948169

what do you think of the button configuration. I don't think the additional buttons are needed.
[Epic 4G Accessories] m5james:
Better there be more than less when you need them for certain games. The guy from this sitehttp://www.brainlazy.com/article/technology/epic-4g-game-pad-mod/ has two D-pads and he explains why, so we might need more that what Game Gripper has at the moment.
[Epic 4G Accessories] thephawx:
I'm not really a fan of the center buttons, but it seems like a pretty decent design considering what he has to work with. Shoulder buttons would be kind of all over the place.

There is only two things I would worry about. The placement of the orange and white buttons would be best for the shoulder buttons. But you have to extend your thumb pretty far for them to be useful, which is why I opted against going in that far. Just wasn't comfortable. The other thing that you have to be careful about is the d-pad and slipping to the *back* button. Maybe you could map the back button to something else so it doesn't interfere with gameplay.

That's the only thing I would be concerned about. It seems like the red,yellow,green,blue buttons would be your primary action buttons.

Aside from that, while the button placement doesn't seem optimal, you could probably play most games just fine.

If any of you guys are picking it up, I'd be very interested in how well it controls versus my mod. Let me know.
[Epic 4G Accessories] cicada:
the game gripper site was updated sometime in the last few days to say the next model being produced is the epic 4g, sometime in november!

can't wait to get one of these!
[Epic 4G Accessories] jemarent:
i hope it's sometime soon. This will make my snes emulator so much better. I don't see it posted on the website anywhere. Where did you see the Epic 4g referenced?
[Epic 4G Accessories] jemarent:
nevermind, i do see it in the FAQs. Hell yea, it's official. I hope it's fairly slim and doesn't stick way out like some of the models on their site. I'm super pumped for this.
[Epic 4G Accessories] ZenInsight:
YEEEEESSSSSSSSSS! Woo ha
[Epic 4G Accessories] ZenInsight:
Out around same time as Froyo?...lets hope so.
[Epic 4G Accessories] m5james:
Maybe those of us who participated in the early suggestions, on their Facebook page, etc will get a discount on the initial release to be testers ;)
[Epic 4G Accessories] ZenInsight:
I don't see a huge need to do this since in the emu as well as the Snes emu shoulder mapping can be mapped to a phone lean (gyro), of course this is only really good for racing...
[Epic 4G Accessories] cicada:
Mapping to the power button does not work directly, unfortunately. It simply turns off the screen if you try. Not something you'd want to do mid-game ;)

It may be doable using custom key maps below the application layer, but it'd be cumbersome.

Camera button does map easily to R1, which is the more commonly used trigger in most PSX games anyway.

Volume buttons are mappable as well, I'm using those for L2/R2 currently, but only because I've got sound disabled in psx4droid. If I was actually using the sounds, volume control is something I'd rather have at my easy disposal.
[Epic 4G Accessories] ZenInsight:
Too bad volume rocker isn't on the same side as the camera button. Dang it!
[Epic 4G Accessories] Masterface7:
uuuhg I really hate their new website.

http://www.home.game-gripper.com/
[Epic 4G Accessories] jemarent:
i agree, it's pretty piss poor. But i'm pumped for the gamepad.
[Epic 4G Accessories] johnsongrantr:
got a reply back from GG inquiry
[Epic 4G Accessories] ftnguyen1:
Game gripper for epic is up on the website for sale now. Just placed my order.
[Epic 4G Accessories] NeonMonster:
I noticed that they put up multiple sets of additional buttons including one called Blue Rubber buttons. I'm probably getting the rubber buttons, because I'm worried about scratching the keyboard up with plastic buttons.
[Epic 4G Accessories] jemarent:
I was wondering about that too. I got the xbox ones ordered but I would like rubberized ones of possible.
[Epic 4G Accessories] Masterface7:
how are the xbox style and the snes style buttons different? is it just the colors swapped around?

Im in for one with an extra set of buttons.
[Epic 4G Accessories] 265ada:
add to cart not working for me...

I am trying to add the damn GG for the epic to cart and it does not work and being that it is flash related link I just copy the link I've tried in both IE 8 and google chrome and nothing! this new website sucks! http://www.home.game-gripper.com/epic

anyone post the link for the SNES style 14.99 GG for epic if you have it please?
[Epic 4G Accessories] ZenInsight:
This is exactly what I cam here to post. I know you can buy the blue rubber ones but I am wondering if it will affect game play at ALL.

Also, if you look closely (and may be it's just mine) you can see that opening and closing the face has made streak marks on the buttons...yet I don't see any lettering that has been affected. This makes me think that it would be pretty impossible for any contact with plastic to "rub" the paint off as there is already rubbing occurring from the face itself and the buttons are unaffected. Anyone else have an opinion on plastic vs. rubber? I am emailing them to ask what they think too.
[Epic 4G Accessories] ZenInsight:
I did the same thing. You can't tell it has worked until you click on shopping cart and then you will see what you have selected.
[Epic 4G Accessories] ZenInsight:
HI all.

I ordered the rubber blue buttons and and extra set of SNES style priority mail (1-3 days). I will come back here and post which of the button types work better for everyone else. I have been gaming for 25 years since Intellivision came out before Nintendo. I also played Street Fighter in competition when I was younger. I will be a good judge of button accuracy.
[Epic 4G Accessories] Masterface7:
yes but how good are you at smash brothers? I have found that to be the game that requires button accuracy more than any other. Also I ordered the exact same as your blue rubber controller with snes extra buttons and priority shipping. I hope they can get it processed and sent in a few days.
[Epic 4G Accessories] ZenInsight:
Smash Brothers? Are you CALLING ME OUT!!?!?

How dar....

Kidding. Actually I have no experience with that game at all. Right now I am messing with Tiger Arcade (Neo-Geo, CPS1, CPS2) games, SNES games AND I'm trying to locate the .34 DAT for Jarcade in order to get some basic MAME games to work.. What emu and which version of smash bros are you referring to?

It would be great if someone put a torrent out there that had Android emu games and emulators compiled.
[Epic 4G Accessories] ZenInsight:
Also would be REALLY nice if we had an ongoing list of games that are compatible with whatever the latest version of the emu's are. This would only apply to Galaxy S phones I guess (which are the fastest, most powerful phone GPU's out there anyway).

May be we can start a list in here? Or would we need to be in the general section?

EDIT: I keep seeing some people mention "zip aligning" ROMS but I have yet to have done this for any of my ROMS. It's true that some don't work, and I have wondered if Zip aligning them would make them work. But, I think that zip aligning only increases the speed that the ROM loads, not it's compatibility. Sorry if I'm getting too technical here.
[Epic 4G Accessories] ZenInsight:
Here is the response I got from game gripper:

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Most people actually prefer the feel of the hard plastic because your thumb slides over the buttons easier. Let me know if you have any other questions.

Thanks

GG LLC

On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 8:39 AM, xxxx <mailSender@wix.com> wrote:

xxxxxxx has sent you a message using your contact form at: www.home.game-gripper.com/Home

Senders email: xxxxxxxx.com

Can you please tell me if the rubber buttons affect game play in a better/worse way in your opinion? I don't believe that the plastic buttons are going to "rub off" and lettering on the Epic keyboard and I will take responsibility for my choice if they do. I am MUCH more concerned that I get the best "feel" for the button actions that I can. I would guess that the rubber have a better feel to them but I would rather ask which are more accurate than to guess. I do understand that I can purchase a second set of buttons to try both ways out but I wish to start with the best feeling, most accurate setup first.

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Since I ordered both the plastic and rubber I think I will experiment with switching out some of the keys for plastic and some for rubber...like may be rubber keys for trigger/fierce punch-kick buttons. I bet that would be nice to be able to "feel" certain buttons easier because of the rubbery texture they have.

Will post back about this specifically one I have received my order.
[Epic 4G Accessories] Masterface7:
nah my best smash years are far behind me, I could throw down in some tekken though, or mario kart.

I didnt mean an emulated version I mean the real deal (brawl/melee) is the best test of any controller and response time I can think of. I mention it because once i bought a wireless non-wavebird controller to use with my wii and smash was not playable with it.

I dont think quick accurate controller responce is really an option on our phones. I was trying to play parapa the rappa on psx4droid and it was no good. I have a few rhythm games for gba i want to test if i could just find them. Rhythm tengoku specifically.

as for emu's i just use all the "oids" gamboid nesoid snesoid etc.. and they work fine. The game grip should make them more enjoyable but a working wii controller sync would be ideal for me. I think i am gonna play the golden sun games since a new one is coming out/ maybe just came out.

edit: rereading this got me thinking after i get the game gripper i am gonna try snes mario kart first.
[Epic 4G Accessories] Masterface7:
They should make plastic on top and rubber on the bottom then
[Epic 4G Accessories] ZenInsight:
That's true about the rubber on the bottom of all of them, but since they are so cheap I'm curious if I'll like having a couple buttons feel differently than the rest on top, for better gameplay.

I don't know about you, but I could use some better accuracy on the street fighter games (CPS2) as I can't play them for crap on this phone because of those tiny buttons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJoZ2I5YdqM&feature=related

ALso, I'm guessing that you already know that the Wiimote won't sync with the Epic because of the way the Bluetooth stack is handled? I know that I had it working with my G1 but it probably won't ever work with the Epic unless we use a Cyanogen ROM that has it's own Bluetooth stack creation.

ANYWAY...the Wiimote is not as versatile in button layout compared to the Gamegripper, so the only benefit you would get is being able to put your phone down and play just holding the Wiimote.