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[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LatinSilEighty:
Windows Mobile a dying breed

HTC HD2 vs Samsung Vibrant? lol i was like is this a serious question? The only reason i had my HD2 was because i was hoping someone would port over Android to it so i could have the nice hardware and sexy ass Android to go with it, then the Vibrant was about to come out and i said **** it, I'm tired of waiting and not two days later after i sold my $450 dollar sexy screened winmo nightmare for $280 (with a bunch of accessories) and had already bought my Vibrant, what do i see? Android on the HD2? WATAFAK?!?!?!

but by that point i had already fallen back in love with Android and fell even deeper in love with my Vibrant, there's only one way to see if you like the vibrant, and thats to try it out, if you've never had an Android device you don't know what you missing. Android is taking over for a reason, and to be honest Android will never run 100% on that HD2, so why fight it? Once you see that Samoled screen (then i jizzed in my pants)and how everything pops out at you, your gonna forget that the HD2 is .3 inches bigger.

as for the GPS, the HD2's GPS is ultimately the reason that i got fed up within 2 months of having it, Bing Navi BLOWS ASS, that **** kept force closing on me and left me stranded, i went to good ol google maps on my HD2 to show me the way and thats when i knew GOOGLE IS DA ****. I use my turn by turn atleast 2 times a week and Ive had ZERO,ZILCH,NONE,NADA,NO problems with my gps on my Vibrant.

Drop that over priced paperweight in someone elses hand for almost nothing and go get a Vibrant you wont regret it ::scouts honor:: lol
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jeremiah_mn:
First off, my gps works fine, locks on to satellites, and is accurate even without using data connection to help locate...

I like the lighter weight, better looking screen, and speed of this vibrant. I hate winmo, and the android just isn't there yet for the htd2.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jamesyl:
For all those who keep insisting "my GPS is just fine": That's great for you -- now are you going to swap phones with mine, which has a broken GPS? If not, then please stop saying how great your GPS works. As long as there is a significant number of Vibrants with broken GPSes, Samsung has a responsibility to issue a fix ASAP.

For all those who keep insisting "just use this fix": I have tried a half dozen fixes and variations thereof, and none are better than temporary band-aids. In some cases the "fix" helps, but my accuracy is still 10m worse than my Blackberry, which gets a lock in the same amount of time as my Vibrant.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jeremiah_mn:
I agree that even though my GPS works fine, that doesn't help you out any. I'm also agreeing that if enough people are experiencing the issue than Samsung should address it. I just get sick of people making the blanket statement that the GPS does not work. I know several people that have this phone, and on all of their phones the GPS works fine.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LatinSilEighty:
welp i dont know about you guys but my GPS works fine buahahahaha sucks for you :eek:

STOP *****ING! and do one of three things wait for Samsung to fix the issue(which is known and is being addressed) ask T-mobile to trade it out for you, or sell your phone and get something else because we already have enough little noobies on here crying and talking **** about Samsung. Do us all the favor and stop ****ting all over XDA thanks :D
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] STi489:
I have both and you can't compare...The Vibrant is ALOT better!
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] smashpunks:
Plus one... my gps works great..... chill people its a great phone....
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] All~G1:
But its not perfect!!! Whaaaaa! How dare Samsung release a phone that has problems.

Vibe the XDApp
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BlackElvis79:
I "had" the HD2 and the Nexus One at the same time, and like LatinSilEighty, the ONLY reason I held on to it was because I was hoping for an Android port. Also like LatinSilEighty, I got tired of waiting and don't know enough about Dev'ing to help speed up the proccess so I sold the SOB (Althought I got $500 for mine! Gotta find that "right" person :P) and found out Android had dropped for it. But anyway, my HD2 experience was horrible!! And not to get off topic but, even comparing the Vibrant to the N1 - which I traded for it on Craigslist- I wasn't disappointed.

So, I say Vibrant!
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] air2k57:
Had the Hd2, even if it came with android, I'd choose vibrant over it any day.

Same screen res, but vibrant has way better screen, sharper colors, contrast, etc. I was playing with nexus one and Hd2 for a month, I loved screen size on the Hd2, but it felt very washed It and pixelated When compared to my nexus. Same goes for evo, which has better screen than the Hd2. Screen wise, vibrant wins to me!

Android does way more, not Just a little more like you've mentioned, but that's beside the point.

Camera, yea no flash, but it is amazing! I've never had a phone that could take such awesome looking pics, lots of modes for it too.

Size, it is super thin, super light!

Media, awesome media player, has Eq and lots of neat features, I actually love touch wiz. I didn't want to get the vibrant due to prior versions of touch wiz, all the issues. So far, been great.

Touch screen on the virbrant is way precise too!
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jokka81:
The GPS fix works well enough. I installed copilot and its great. No issues yet.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tengtengvn:
That's why you have the warranty for eh? Get the replacement from t-mobile and stop talking sht. GPS works perfectly fine for me and other people. If yours is from the bad batch, contact t-mobile and let them fix it. Simple, isn't it?
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tundra84:
Well, I made the leap. Not quite what I was expecting.

Ok, so I decided to take a little gamble and get the samsung vibrant. I'm within my remorse period and I have a buyer lined up to buy my hd2 in little over a week so I have to decide by then which I plan to keep. So far the Vibrant seems great and I'm loving android. Occasional hiccup but I attribute that to android not being optimized for cortex a-8 processors so no biggy.

All seemed to be fine and dandy until I loaded my movies and pictures onto the phone. Now what IS a biggy is the multimedia performance. The hd playback has been spotty at best and I've been playing with my video encoder to see what works the best but that's not too bad. What is bad is that the video player seems to not have proper deblocking decoding and seems to have an atrocious upscaling algorithm. This is the same for the gallery application. In layman's terms; watching the same video on both phones, the video looks smoother and much better on the HD2 (albeit much less vibrant ;) pun intended). Lines are much more jagged and artificially straight, there are random artifacts and etc.

But what really cooked my goose was how awful the gallery app was for photos. At the same zoom level on both phones, a picture would look clear on my HD2 while on the other hand it looked like garbled garbage on the Vibrant! This is my first real android device so I am not entirely certain if the fault lies with the hardware video decoder, the gallery and video player apps (although the fact that both exhibit similar issues tells me this is unlikely), the super amoled screen (I've noticed that while it has greater contrast, it also has greater issues with darker gradients and the pixels are much more visible from the same distance despite the screens higher ppi) or perhaps even android. Being a content junkie/pseudo videophile I find such lackluster multimedia performance by the Vibrant, and perhaps by android, to be both disappointing and shocking. As painful as it may be to navigate around the HD2, at least my videos and photos looked great(ok, at least accurate) on it!

So I was wondering, is this an issue unique to my particular device or is that just how the eclair crumbles? To test the phone's mm capabilities you might try looking at the same photo on your PC and your phone, with the photo zoomed into its native resolution on both and comparing or try watching a video on your pc and watching the same scene on your vibrant. Call me finicky but what's the point of a great screen like this if the software can't even bother to output the images correctly? At this rate it's looking like I may have to be sticking with WM for a much longer time than I had planned...

P.S Compass "works". Technically it does point north correctly, just takes forever to get there. And Gps works, not fantastically or as well as HD2 but good enough for me.

Edit: Possibly the longest post on xda. Sorry about the rant. Added some spacing.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mark271:
The longevity of a post is not bad. The longevity of not hitting a enter key in 4-7 paragraphs worth of words is bad.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] silverwolf0:
The cool temperature of the screen can also be a big problem for pseudo-videophiles and videophiles alike (I'm neither). I really like the high contrast and viewing angles, and the blue kind of makes me puke as I always set my displays to warm as its much more comfortable. But I already paid for mine to ship and will cross my fingers that I'll get used to the excessive blue, or maybe circumvent it some how with non-blue themes. The screen would be so perfect for me if only it had color controls...
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LatinSilEighty:
i agree that the pictures look kinda eh when reviewing them compared to the HD2, but by no means is the HD2's camera any better than the Vibrants, take the pictures off the phone and view them on a computer and you'll see that they look just as good or even better.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=745704

As for the movies i don't think its any better i think it might just be in how the movie might have been configured. when i ripped out Transformers 1 and 2 from my HD2 and played them on my Vibrant yea they looked kind of ****y but i think it has to do with the right configuration, because Avatar looks above and beyond anything that i saw on the HD2. Maybe the movies or vids you are watching arent up to par with what the Vibrant can push out?
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tundra84:
While the pictures are quite impressive in the proper lighting outside(my indoor shots aren't turning out nearly as good unfortunately), what's the point of being able to take good photos if in the end it looks bad while viewing it on the phone? Btw I figured out that the gallery application is at fault here: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=6587 I think it is relatively safe to assume something similar may be at work with the video player as well...maybe. But why would google update their os to support 16m colors and then go back and make their new gallery app forced to output in 16bit color? Odd. Increased os color support coupled with 16bit image processing would explain the improper dark gradients perhaps. But then again, good 16 bit color is hard to distinguish from 24bit especially with sup-pixel processing. Maybe Cool iris just rocks at UI's and is bad at the actual image processing.

Perhaps that is the case. In fact, I hope it is. I just wish I could find more information on the vibrant's video player. Apparently it uses a modified version of rockplayer for codec support so now I'm not even certain if it's all hardware or software decoding! The only reasons I may consider staying with my HD2 now is for coreplayer, resco file explorer and the superior album viewer. And of course the led flash but to a much lesser degree. It's ironic, while android has loads more apps and far better dev support, that in the end wm still seems to have some basic essential programs that just cannot be beat in terms of sheer functionality.

Update: The video performance is much better than what I was initially led to believe but still surprisingly disappointing on certain videos. Very odd, it will play 720p mkv's fairly smoothly and then a moment later butcher and artifact the hell out of a 300p avi. I really don't know what to make of it at this point.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LatinSilEighty:
Well maybe you should return the Vibrant and wait a little longer, Android is still a baby OS and is only going to get better, maybe you should convert a little later, but IMO as a whole i think that Android has already passed WinMo in a lot of ways, but i do agree that when i had my HD2 when it wasn't freezing up and acting like a little *****, what it did, it did very well.

Ive enjoyed Android since launch day of the G1 so Ive been around to see it become what it is now. Android is almost unrecognizable from what it began. Most early adopters love it because Android has only become better and they know what it is capable of.

Give it another little while and Android (unless they **** up somewhere) will be the leading OS, but yes i do agree with you in the fact that Android still needs a little refinement but Im sure after froyo (the almost perfect Android) they will worry about small things but I think they are about there :D
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tundra84:
I agree wholeheartedly. Seems as if it was just yesterday we were hearing about this new kid on the block and in a short time, android has come very far at a dizzying pace. Hopefully, in time it'll finally nail down those last few features I'm looking for and then I shall hopefully come back to using android again. Guess it's time to repackage this bad boy and return it! Well...maybe in another 12 days ;)
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scrizz:
LOL, why are you guys converting the video?

Just get Rockplayer from the Marketplace.

It plays those formats the default vid app doesn't.

;)

and fyi b4 you start counting out Android, you might want to ask your Android questions in the Android forum.

If you want to keep your HD2 and WinMo that's fine, but don't diss an OS that YOU do not know how to use properly.

Have fun with your HD2 on WinMo.

btw You should try the Android ports for the HD2!

don't for get to use Rockplayer

:D
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] moosic:
Captivate vs HD2

I owned an HD2 and a Captivate. I was getting ready to return the Captivate when I lost my HD2 in NYC. :(

I was going to return the Captivate for the following reasons:

GPS issues (serious problem)

No sense UI

No threaded email

No hard buttons (I really liked those HD2 buttons for some reason)

Laggy when I hit the home button (serious problem)

I'm giving the Captivate another chance now that I lost my HD2.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tundra84:
Please don't jump to conclusions if you won't bother to read the thread. And if you must know, I have to compress my videos because 6 gb BR rips take up just a smidgen of space. Also, fat32 doesn't allow me to transfer anything over 4 gb. But it also allows me to get a good idea of the video capabilities of the device. And for the record, the samsung vibrant uses a modified form of rockplayer so it theoretically should support nearly everything rockplayer does ;) that being said, I've tried mvideoplayer, rockplayer, nemoplayer, meridian, act 1 video player and all have yielded similar visual results.

I somehow doubt asking "why do my videos output incorrectly on the vibrant?" is going to help much but perhaps I should.

And I am not "dissing" (?) any os. I merely noted that the Vibrant's video playback is a bit lackluster despite the great screen. If anything, this is probably more of a device issue than an os one due to the fact that the default video player relies on the hardware decoder. Although the 16 bit limitation and poor zooming in the gallery app is definitely a software issue, and a well documented one at that. I also fail to see how user error would change the fact that there's a noticeable difference between the quality of video playback between the vibrant and the hd2 playing the same videos. These ol peepers of mine provide me with all the evidence I need. I honestly don't see why people get so emotionally invested in their electronics/phone os of choice.

Already have, that's what initially piqued my interest in android in the first place.

GPS issues seems to be hit or miss. I'm lucky to get a couple fixed after standing outside for a few minutes but for navigation purposes it does seem to get the job done; for me at least. There is a fix going around that seems to help by a lot. Just search the forums and you'll be sure to find it.

Once custom roms start getting cooked you may be able to get one with sense ui cooked in! Perhaps modaco?

Gmail has threaded email but I don't know about the touchwiz one.

Yeah me too, nothing quite like the tactile feel of a button being pressed. But on the other hand, no moving parts should mean less likelihood for a broken button or phone.

And lastly, I've heard this can be somewhat remedied by using an alternate launcher such as adw or launcherpro.

While you may be a victim of circumstance I hope you see that it isn't quite that bad. It's even an upgrade in many ways! (read: samoled, android, battery life, web browser, etc)
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jamesyl:
You need to grow up or learn basic reading comprehension. I'm not talking **** -- I'm stating the facts. Feel free to dispute them, but don't put words in my mouth.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jamesyl:
Yet another one :rolleyes: I'm not *****ing. I'm not crying. I'm not talking ****. I am discussing my phone in a rational manner. Feel free to contest the factual basis of my post, but don't put words in my mouth.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scrizz:
ok, I'll give you that.

That was my fault.

If the default video player is based on Rockplayer, it does a crappy job.

all the formats I haven't been able to play on the default app play great in Rockplayer.

Whenever I do any encoding/re-encoding, I use Adobe Media Encoder.

It's not free, but that is what I use.

;)
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lp894:
soooooo...should we get back on topic here? lol

Battery

I owned both at the same time for about 2 weeks. My battery life on my HD2 was the same as it was on my Vibrant....that's a no no. Considering the SAMOLED is supposed to have better battery life than an LCD AND the Vibrant has a 1500 mah as opposed to a 1230 in the HD2. It should be DESTROYING on battery life. But that's ok, I can live with that.

Screen

The Vibrant wins because of the SAMOLED...BUT the HD2 DOES have a 4.3" screen, which actually makes a difference when you watch movies. That extra .3" even tho their the same resoultion is actually noticeable. However my Vibrant's screen looks better while playing those movies.

OS Use

I've said this plenty of times before and I'll say it again. Unless you LIKE WM, or you want to do some SERIOUS customization on your phone, you won't like WM. WM is like a model car that you have to put together yourself. You have to put the pieces together, glue it, add the wheels, paint it, etc. WM has to be customized pretty heavy(generally) before you get it running how you'd like it to run. If you're in the IT industry, there's no helpper like a WM device. The native exchange integration, domain access, ftp access, remote desktop access, etc...theres no comparison for any other device

Speed

I don't tell much of a difference to be honest. HOWEVER I used an overlock app on my WM phone but didn't over clock it. I just clocked it so it always ran at 1ghz instead of 768mhz. It makes a big difference. The GPU on the Vibrant though makes the Vibrant process video/images much better than the HD2 so if you're playing a game or watching a movie, your experience is likely to be better with the Vibrant

Camera

Vibrant...no questions asked. I literally stood and took a picture of the EXACT same thing on my HD2 and my Vibrant and the Vibrant won each time. I think it's because since Samsung is a camera company too, they put some of that tech into their phones, where as HTC is just a phone hardware company so they focus more on hardware itself than the "extras" in the hardware. The Vibrant also has native 720 video...the HD2 doesn't have NATIVE 720 but I believe there is a hack for it? don't quote me if im wrong because im not 100% on that one.

Ultimately...you can't really lose either way. Their both great devices and I think you'll be satisfied either way. But my opinion will always be if you dont NEED an HD2 or don't know how to use Windows Mobile, then go with Android as it will probably be a much easier user experience.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] .BetaBoy:
0.0

All the facts (specs) point to the vibrant.

But someone tell me why im still deciding between that and the HD2?

i think its because im kinda getting into the whole "Modding" your phone and the HD2 is kinda my entrance key?

Is there really A LOT you have to do to fix the common problems with the HD2?
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scrizz:
well apart from replacing the rom and radio

and putting android on sd and booting from it..

not really

;)
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tundra84:
Not really, flashing a rom is almost idiot proof on the hd2...and running android on it is pretty damn easy too. Flashing a custom rom on the hd2 usually gets rid of 90% of all grievances on the phone. The other 10% being is it's still wm. As for the vibrant, I'd say the issues with the vibrant for me are

A. gps. It was working ok beforehand I thought, now it ain't. Even with the gps fix.

B. Led flash. Night mode is great and all but I'd still like a flash for those tricky shots on cloudy nights or any situation where there isn't enough light for the camera sensor to amplify it in night mode...or hell, almost ANY indoor shot.

C. Samsung. This phone is almost guaranteed to get froyo. Right around when gingerbread is being released. I doubt it will get gingerbread officially so get ready for rom flashing in a few months

D. Various small software and ui bugs and nuances I'm hoping will get fixed in froyo. Namely app lag but there are others.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rreggers:
I lock onto 10-12 sats all the time.

My only gripe is having to unlock the screen all the time.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tundra84:
Are you using gpstest? In which case I am immensely jealous. Also, you may want to try the app nolock so you don't have to unlock your phone all the time.

Sent from my Samsung Vibrant using the XDA app. You may thank Swype for any and all grammar errors.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rreggers:
tundra84:

MANY THANKS! for the NOLOCK app. I love it.

I will check later today after work for the app I used for the Sats.

By the way, what appis " Sent from my Samsung Vibrant using the XDA app". I tried to find it to no avail.

Thanks
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dbriese:
i miss a compass that worked, and worked well. The galaxy's is the slowest pos ive ever seen. makes apps like skymaps and layar practically useless.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tundra84:
That would be the xda app, just search xda on android market. And yeah, nolock is a pretty useful widget.

Sent from my Samsung Vibrant using the XDA app. You may thank Swype for any and all grammar errors.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] _atlien_:
After six months of HD2 I just moved into a Vibrant and I am very happy. My GPS has never hiccuped and no more lockups. I do wish I had that flash for a flashlight. I never used it for photos.

The Vibrant is faster than the HD2 ever dreamed it could be. I use the Dolphin browser (and many of its fabulous add-ons)for now and it works better than Opera did on the HD2.

Vibrant. No contest.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scrizz:
Good man

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