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[EVO 4G General] wfrandy:
I didn't get the fps thing either, in fact, I still don't "see" any difference in the stuff I do day to day. The screen lag though, is something that bothered me since launch day when I picked up my Evo. It just bugged the heck out of me, especially since it was so noticable when experienced side by side with my wifes Iphone that doesn't have the lag, because I have always hated her Iphone. Anyway, once I aplied the "fps fix" kernel, no more screen lag, night and day difference.

So yea, it is a deal breaker for me, I won't run a rom that doesn't come with, or I can't get a fully working kernel to fix the screen touch lag.
[EVO 4G General] zone23:
I will. I don't think anyone has gotten serious with it because the final version of 2.2 hasn't been released. Plus we need the source code for the kernel. Oh ya and AVAs kernel didn't work on my phone.
[EVO 4G General] Sprockethead:
I need the 4G that CM6 doesn't have. Plus I like Sense. Personal preference, and I'm in the minority for sure. I'm new to Android though so sense is all I know.

ALSO - What do you mean by AVA? I thought that FPS was still capped in AVA? Is that ROM a 2.2 with fps unlock, camera, and 4G?
[EVO 4G General] :
30fps was awful and horrid, I don't know how people lived with it, it made the phone seem choppy. Can't praise Cyanogen enough for his rom with everything fixed from the very start.
[EVO 4G General] Sprockethead:
4G does not work on CM6.
[EVO 4G General] cosine83:
Neither does HDMI.
[EVO 4G General] bluehaze:
The TV most people stare at all day long only broadcasts at 24fps, it is widely regarded as the point at which the human eye can no longer distinguish individual frames. When it comes to computers 60fps somehow became the standard but it is moreso because if you can achieve 60 fps you fps will not usually drop below 24 during intense action. You see it's more of a placebo effect than anything, I could care less if the FPS are capped at 30 as long as they don't dip below 24. The goodness that is Froyo far outweighs any placebo effect I might recieve from running a "FPS fix" kernel and will likely have the same effect on yourself if you can get it out of your brain that there is even a FPS cap in the first place and that you can't distinguish any more than 24fps.

Cheers
[EVO 4G General] fr0st420:
The 2 things I miss from 2.1 are fps uncap and droidx kb. I'm going to stick with fresh froyo for a bit. If I can't handle it anymore ill flash back to my backup of 1.0.1 ;).
[EVO 4G General] kaotikevo:
When you've been a gamer for as long as I've been, believe me, you notice the 30 fps cap, especially when playing games. Some games for me run like slideshows. Such as Asphalt 5. Not only does it hinder my ability to enjoy games, but it also causes terrible input lag. The sensor on this phone lags behind anywhere from 1-2 seconds. Download an app from the market to test the touch sensors, or just download an air hockey game, and you'll see how badly the sensor lags. It's a shame HTC crippled such a great device with this cap. I had such an issue with it I had to return my phone, since it was the icing on the cake after dealing with light leakage and dead and stuck pixels.

People need to stop being apologists for HTC and push them to get on the ball about their QC and fixing the fps cap
[EVO 4G General] sk63:
If a game is a slideshow then you FPS is a lot lower 30. If you're experiencing input it's more than simply FPS once again. I would bet that if the screen ran at 30 FPS constantly, no dips, most of us wouldn't have problem. I have no idea how the EVO actually caps the frame rate at 30, but considering the symptoms people are complaining about, I'd have to guess that it's actually dropping some frames or otherwise delaying the flow of data. The restriction then manifests itself as frame rates lower than 30.

Personally I'm one of those people who's not to concerned about the whole FPS thing, frankly I found the screen tearing kind of annoying. I'm more looking forward to disabled perflock and performance tweaks that don't directly effect FPS once hacked kernels are available.
[EVO 4G General] lion2:
I dont know what anyone is talking about with this 30 fps issue. Never noticed anything wrong with the framerate on my EVO.
[EVO 4G General] IceCreaMan:
I'm fine with my phone being stock and coming a 3yr old at&t tilt running winmo 6.5 and Android on the sdcard, the evo is light years faster with no disappointments. I want the features Froyo will bring as I am more impressed with the integration of apps and data and system speed than fps. My only concern with updating to Froyo is losing my sudo root with unrevoked1.
[EVO 4G General] mogulust:
*retarded*
[EVO 4G General] damian00976:
i as well went back to damage 2.1 because of this i know for many the fps is not a big deal but i got used to it not because the overclock because i dont use it,its the phone is smoother and even tough froyo is fast it not that smooth and ive froyo roms
[EVO 4G General] akarol:
...because it's never going to be addressed. Trust me!
[EVO 4G General] inoskedu8o8:
I can see a big difference between 55fps and 30fps especially when playing games. If you don't play games with your evo, you probably don't have to worry much about an increase in fps.

I decided to jump on the froyo boat just because it's new and all the cool kids are doing it :)
[EVO 4G General] cnstarz:
the human CAN see >30 fps. it's above 60hz (or 60fps) where the human eye starts having trouble distinguishing between different frame/refresh rates. albeit, some people can distinguish between 60hz and 100hz; that is usually the exception, not the norm.
[EVO 4G General] BrianDigital:
well im a pc gamer, and you know what I like to lock my FPS from going to high myself it serves nothing and is more a pissing match in most cases.

a 30 fps cap on a 4.3 inch screen is nothing to complain about. I have bought acouple of 3D games and have no issues with stuttering
[EVO 4G General] snandlal:
Go into the Evo 4g development section and flash bakedkernel.zip...it's really nice...fixes all the flaws
[EVO 4G General] BrianBaker:
Welp,looks like im back to 2.2 and going to give it a shot..Updated Kernal from Netarchy has FPS Fixed and working cameras + OC,its limited to 3MP but at least its got a camera working for now.Maybe a update later will get me 8MP back but as long as i got a camera,snappy UI(55FPS),AND H.264 at 800x480 im all good from here....Will test this froyo for the next few days and make a decision off that..
[EVO 4G General] DrawnToScale:
Why are so many people so hung up on fps? Are all these folks gamers?
[EVO 4G General] BrianBaker:
Screw the games,it makes the phone Snappier..Moving from left to right(scrolling) is so much better than stock...Opening and closeing programs are quicker and the app drawer isnt sluggish anymore..

Seriously,untill you use a kernal with the FPS fix it wont make sense why it is we want this feature..Just go flash one if your rooted and see for yourself.
[EVO 4G General] SharkUW:
It makes the interface itself a lot nicer. Personally I was waiting for tethering to get worked out, which it is now. Sprint is my ISP. :)
[EVO 4G General] edisepic:
i went from fps fix 2.1 to stock 2.2

i went from fps fix 2.1 to stock 2.2 and i do admit i miss it. everything seems so smooth and clean with the 50+ fps. but 2.2 is great and when they come out with a nice root for it and an fps fix HELL YEAH ill be switching back and enjoying my EVO goodness. 2.2 is very fast but the fps is very noticeable if you make the swtich. but this is not for the average tech user. i showed my bro and hes like WHAT? and i was like its so smooth now and he still stayed like this???

bottom line is i LOVE my EVO 4G
[EVO 4G General] wickerstick:
n1

this is exactly right, I live in a 4g area I have used this phone many times (on the stock Rom) and FPS lag is clearly visible, and in my years of Q3, Counter strike & Counter strike source i know that when you play seriously you clearly see the difference, making quick turns to check your area, when your not IMO getting at least 100 FPS your geting frame drops. I can see them mainly under 60-70 fps and when theres smokes, barrel flashes, ect.) Its clearly visible, It may not bother many of you but I'm thinking if a device is capable of something do not handicap it, esp if your customer is a developer trying to make a smooth fluid constant 60 fps game. (i would like to see development in gaming) (look and Grand theft auto chinatown or NFS shift for iphone) Skies of glory is ok but you need more than that.

back on subject, from what i know CM6 is the way to go for now, I am sure there will be some great work here coming soon, I plan to get mine from best buy here in a couple paychecks.(own 32GB 3GS, FOR sale lol) i have eclipse installed and a few basic webkit based apps built, but I want to contribute something worthwhile here soon,

Quick thumbs up to all the dev's on this site, Great work.
[EVO 4G General] DanBergundy:
Until I saw the fps uncapped I thought the phone was fast. It wouldn't be the deal breaker for most people here.

What's it matter, the devs will break it in froyo soon anyway. Doesn't seem worth much discussion.
[EVO 4G General] t00dumb:
I happened to struck up a conversation with the level 3 technical engineer at a corporate sprint repair store, he says one of his friends I assume work in development dept has the 2.2 build with the 60fps fix. This guy who I talked pretty much knew almost everything about EVO since he played with it 3 months earlier from release except when I showed him that my phone radio update from previous upgrade killed my WiFi and 4G. Anyway I believe him and I'm pretty sure the fix is coming eventually.

Sent from my HTC Evo 4G.
[EVO 4G General] echoside:
I got it for the performance. I don't care all that much about fps I don't ever play games. And since I can put a different kernel on it to get better fps why not install froyo? Also correct me if I'm wrong but aren't movies 24.something fps?
[EVO 4G General] SharkUW:
Sort of. The mind doesn't interpret much faster than 60 fps. Regarding 80 fps or more, it more has to do with how well tuned a person is to such things. What we "see" is actually our minds prediction. That "feature" allows us to hit a baseball among other things. I'd encourage anybody to play a reaction time game to realize how slowly we actually react to unplanned events.
[EVO 4G General] :
Let me rephrase, for me... 4g is not in my area, and hdmi is useless... fm radio is also useless. For me anyway.
[EVO 4G General] Sporkman:
ROFL @ not taking 2.2 cause of a no 30fps fix

sent with my evo from a secret place
[EVO 4G General] Success100:
theres no way im upgrading to ANY froyo rom that does not have a functional fps kernal. to all of you people who are saying the fps fix doesnt make a difference really need to go kick rocks with your shoes off. Applying one of the new kernals revives this whole damn phone! there is no way a phone this powerful should be lagging and giving choppy scrolling. especially when the n1 and hd2 dont have this issue, hell, the hero doesnt even have this bug.

just my .02 cents
[EVO 4G General] captivate:
here you go: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=719763
[EVO 4G General] ifly4vamerica:
Thread below will fix fps for you! Ok sorry just saw somebody else post it .. so i just quoted him ...

Anyway Human eye can't distinguish between 30 fps and 100 fps AS LONG as the picture is fairly static, when you get a quickly moving video the eye can indeed distinguish up to 100 fps, so when scrolling or gaming the 60 fps makes a huge difference in smothness. So if it doesn't bother you then no need for a custom kernel, if it does Netarchy and toast are your friend!

I personally run the fps fix, why not, more fps is better right? Plus now my fps can kick your fps's butt .... ;-)
[EVO 4G General] xHausx:
If it wasn't for the fps cap I wouldn't have rooted my phone. 2.2 is MUCH smoother than 2.1 but to me it still looks jumpy when scrolling. Most of you are acting like it is a guaranteed 30fps, youre wrong. It has a tendency to stutter and at times I could even count the frames.

If you want to see it just download multitouch visualizer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szOje7dcRlo
[EVO 4G General] om4:
well funny enough i jumped on the .3 update and quandrant said i had 10-30 then jumped 30-35-40 then down to 25 and back and forth, now with the fix pojo uploaded quadrant starts at 10 then sits at 30 and after a bit drops back to 10 but flash seems a bit faster, i have an older laptop and my evo bottlenecks in the same spots but still performs better on my evo lol
[EVO 4G General] YoungAceAtlanta:
Ok serious think outside the box. Its more users then just "Us" on this forum that bought a evo. Its alot of people out there that don't really bother getting deep with they phone (aka rooting etc,) most people just happy to have it. and download bs apps from the market. and if the littlest thing happen to they phone there in the Sprint Repair shop. or shipping a new one out to them.

So for those that can't understand. im saying its 100,000's and more out there that don't even know the screen is capped to 30fps or even know what is 2.2 or any type of software on they phone. to some its just a phone with a large screen, fancy home, a front facing camera that can be used a a webcam. Most people don't even know the truth behind android besides what the stupid reps are trained to tell them.
[EVO 4G General] afflaq:
4g is what keeps so many of you whining about your battery life.
[Captivate General] baddress:
My corporate exchange contacts and calendar were syncing fine on my last Captivate but I had to exchange it to fix some problems. Now the new Captivate, I cannot get the exchange contacts or calendar to sync. The email pushes just fine but not the contacts or calendar. I've tried deleting and re-adding my exchange account but it still won't sync them. I don't want to have to factory reset yet again. Any ideas?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dglowe343:
I searched around and found that you can disable incoming calls while using data, but I was wondering if there's a way to keep calls and texts from killing data. I know there are phones out there that can access data while in a call. Is this an issue with the phone or the carrier?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] david279:
Sprint network can't do phone and data at the same time. It can do 4G and phone though. Also wifi and phone too.

Thinking of a master plan while sending this from my battle station....
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dglowe343:
Got it. Thanks for the reply.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SharkUW:
How does one disable calls but not data? That could be useful when I'm tethering.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SharkUW:
Found it. Ddtm mode in call settings.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] sany:
My phone is a Singtel version and I get the annoying Singtel's startup animation and their installed applications which I cannot remove. Somewhere in the forum, somebody posted telling that an FW update erases the startup animations but I just did an official update using Kies when started all of Singtel's contents including startup animations are very much there. Anyone please advice without a need for rooting.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] kenkiller:
A non-official update works.

Try flashing to a Euro firmware, then flashing back to JF4 if having the official firmware makes you happy.

But imho, the most stable fw right now is JM2.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] sany:
thanks for this, but sad to know that there is no way I can remove the Singtel startup animation officially!?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] sany:
How to remove startup animation

I found the solution for my question above - how to remove startup animation of the operator and all the apps that came with it. See the thread here:http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=748436&page=3
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lokeycmos:
today i went to install google-earth.apk via apps installer. i got a message saying "out of space" "earth could not be installed. free up some space and try again" this is odd being i have a 2gb app2sd partion and running cm6.i have "allow moving of applications to external storage" checked and" install location" set to automatic. am i missing something? TY
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Binary100100:
That app is not compatible. You need a much faster cpu and ram for it to work.

Why that particular error? Who knows? Ask Google. But it will not work on your G1 so just give it up.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] VeryCoolAlan:
It depends on the internal storage indicator, I have 1gb of apps2sd but if your internal storage is like 20mb it doesn't matter wether you have 2 or 20gb it has to do with the internal storage because your g1 doesn't care much for apps2sd indicator.

If I install too many apps and my apps2sd partition goes from 1gb to 527mb and my internal storage goes from 87.43mb to 32.45mb and I then try to install iron sight wich is like 20mb you would think it works but it will say no room available so install the big boy apps first and small penis apps second.
[Desire General] doggie123:
It seems that I can no longer wake up the phone using Power + Menu. Now I must use Power + the slide down gesture.

Tried all kinds of keys, including long-pressing, and the trackpad, but it seems gone.

Can't seem to find a setting for it either. Anybody?
[Desire General] Kickasskev:
No this has been removed to avoid accidental unlock so i read some where
[Desire General] doggie123:
Hmmm too bad if that is true (source?).

Never had problems with accidental unlocking and I really like the way it used to work.
[Desire General] ediflyer:
+1 from me - found it a nice simple unlock method, shame it's gone :(
[Desire General] ephumuris:
I want this back i never accidentally unlocked my phone and i keep it in relatively tight jeans pockets christ sake!
[Desire General] mojavaid36:
Defrost/cynroms allow for unlock using the tracked button if you would like something similar.
[HD2 General] me:
I have an HD2 (TMO USA) ordered, should come in a day or two.

Does the HD2 come with a JVM for running Java midlet (J2ME) applets?

If so, what kind is it? Any good, or better to use one of the hacked Jbeds that are available on this site?

What would I use with it? Probably mainly the Gmail java applet? Although one can access Gmail through a browser, or via Imap and the WM mail application, I have always found the Gmail java applet to be a handy way to access mail.

I used to use Opera Mini through java, not sure how useful that is now. For one thing, there is a WM version of Opera Mini 5, not needing java. Also, Opera Mobile is now very similar to Opera Mini, a version comes with the HD2, and one can download a newer version, and it is free. (Or--do any readers still find it useful to use java opera mini, on a wm phone?)

In any case, does a jvm come with the HD2? Any good? If people prefer using a different jvm (than what comes with it), which do you recommend?
[HD2 General] ashasaur:
The HD2 does indeed ship with a Java Virtual Machine...but in my opinion it is not a very good one. It's an official Sun Microsystems JVM, and I personally have always hated the ones made by Sun. I use an older Esmertec JBED one that I found here in the Wizard forums from back in 2006, and it works pretty well.

Again, in my opinion, Opera Mini is kinda useless seeing as Opera 9 works soooo well on the HD2. The speed between the two is about the same to me over 3G, though over EDGE Opera Mini is a bit faster because of it's server side rendering.

The only problem with the older JVM's that you find, is that they are made for devices with much smaller resolutions than the HD2, so the text and buttons are miniscule. So thats another thing to keep in mind.

Overall, I would just stick with the included Opera 9, and don't upgrade to 10 if you wan't to keep pinch to zoom as it is not supported as of yet, and if you REALLY need to use the JVM version of Gmail, just use the included JVM. I hope that helps!
[HD2 General] me:
Thanks, Ashasaur.

One nice thing about some of the Jbeds--the ability to create a shortcut in WM that will open up the applet directly (such as Gmail), without having to open up the java app first.

Also, with some of the jbeds, it is possible to hack it, so one doesn't get those damn permission questions about whether it is allowed to access the internet, etc.

Can the built-in JVM do those things?
[HD2 General] ashasaur:
As far as I can tell, no and no. I cannot make the built in JVM create out of program shortcuts, but there is a freeware application on the WM Marketplace to do just that that I use everyday. And no, I cannot make the permission messages go away either.
[HD2 General] me:
You mean a freeware app especially to go with that Sun JVM, and create shortcuts for its apps? What is it called?
[HD2 General] ashasaur:
No no, its a freeware app to work with ANY Java VM, including the built in Sun one. Its on the WM Marketplace, and its called JavaShortcut. Just like that, no space.
[HD2 General] sirphunkee:
me, just FYI I've never been able to get any of the g-mail applets to work on the built-in JVM, so you'll at least need to try an alternative one, although I suspect that even that might not get it working on this phone.
[HD2 General] wearefree:
Upgraded to HD2 from TP2 four days ago, really impressed with the speed, and do miss the hardware keyboard!

My 2 cents: it's easy to set up gmail with the built-in email client but I do lose the ability to search emails (somebody enlighten me!). I have tried using the java gmail app with built-in Sun jvm but no luck, gmail app won't even open.

As for browser, Opera mini is still my favorite. For 1 I have been using it for so long and really enjoyed the speed (and knows how to avoid all the pitfalls!). For 2 I don't have to clean cache as no cache files are stored on my phone!

But when it comes to anything requires a password, I switch to opera mobile. The auto-rotating is kinda annoying when browsing in bed :)
[HD2 General] me:
As I wrote, there is now a direct WM version of Opera Mini 5, so a jvm is not necessary for that. And it is different from Opera Mobile. It starts up much faster, for instance. The other option is the new Opera Mobile, v 10. Three different Operas one can use.)

By the way, pinch to zoom can be added to practically any app, with tweak apps such as BSBTweaks. I don't really find pinch to zoom to be such a great feature though. Easier to use the zoom scroll bar.

Regarding using the Gmail midlet with the included JVM--there is a problem with that! (See other thread.)
[HD2 General] me:
You're wrong on the permission messages. Highlight an applet in the jvm, choose permission settings, and you can choose for it only to ask permission the first time, never again.

One other nice thing about the Sun JVM included on the HD2--you can choose to install the midlet apps in either main memory or storage card.

The ability to go directly to the midlet app, without having to go through the jvm interface first, is important, a nice feature that one can tweak with many of the esmertec jbeds. If one can do that with this Sun JVM, using that freeware app you speak of, then this Sun JVM is looking pretty good,

Except--that so far I can't get the Gmail midlet to work with it at all!