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[Windows Phone 7 General] tomhierl:
Design is in fact personal preference.

Pressing back goes back, pressing home goes home. There's nothing inconsistent here.

(and no, pressing back does not close an app of course)

Using an HTC Desire is not at all different from using a Galaxy S. The basics of Android's UI design are incredibly well thought through and they're the same on every device.

The Marketplace is not any more messy than the WP7 or iOS one. In fact, even after only a few days since its launch, the WP7 marketplace is already filled with crap.

Android is in fact mature, easy to use and feature complete. I will not go as far as to say it's perfect, because there will be lots of innovation that will make it even better than it is today, but it's without any doubt the best OS that's available right now and there's no reason why any sane person would choose the half-baked WP7 OS over Android.

Oh, and I feel sorry for you, because you hate yourself. You're right, fanboys are really stupid. Why else would they buy a half-baked, locked down, limited OS when they can have a mature, feature-complete, easy to use open source one?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Spybreak:
Design matters, please open up a book on the subject; but anyway, onto the important stuff:

Right, so you claim using HTC Sense is the same as using Samsung's TouchWiz; and no, saying "they're just custom interfaces" does not make it ok, when they come pre-installed and take up more than just the launcher, replacing all the phone's main apps with their own custom ones.

You claim a marketplace filled with "100 HOT BABES" "FARTMASTER 2000" and "TOTAL BATTERY SAVER THIS ONE WORKS FOR REAL" apps, that has no clear way of listing apps by popularity or anything similar (really, reloading the market shows apps in a totally different order) and that has barely any control by google is better than WP7's (or iOSs for that matter) relatively controlled and neatly presented app stores. Hell, I'll give you that Apple's app store is filled with crap, but if anything it's a victim of it's own success and unless Apple imposes even more restrictions there's just not much they can do about it.

And you claim android is "THE BEST OS EVAAARRRR" with no proof other than "hey, it's pretty awesome and better than your lame-ass half-done OS!"

Also, yes, opening an app on android and then pressing the "back" button will effectively close the app process while pressing "home" will background it into RAM. Learn your own OS.

So really, who is the fanboy here? Is it me for approaching a new OS with an open mind after having been through pretty much every other mobile OS out there? or is it you for coming into the WP7 forum to troll about how android is SOOO much better than that crappy beta windows phone OS?

Why don't you just love what you have instead of hating on what you don't?
[Windows Phone 7 General] tomhierl:
The guy who buys a half-baked, locked down, limited OS when he can have a mature, feature-complete, easy to use open source one.

Oh, and I don't hate anything. I was just answering the thread question.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tomhierl:
Errr..... no. Pressing back does not close the app.

Errr..... again, no. The Android Market does in fact sort apps by popularity.

So, why don't you get a clue about Android before you talk about it?

You know, that would make you look a little less like a clueless fanboy...
[Windows Phone 7 General] pittphan:
Errr ... back button does in fact kill the app you're in...
[Windows Phone 7 General] tomhierl:
Errr........ no, it does in fact not, unless the app wants to be killed by the back button (which obviously makes a lot of sense - much more than the WP7 approach where you can only go back but never forward).
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Back button kills apps in android.

Just stop it.

Its wildly incomsistent. So,e apps have exit menu. Some require u to bacl out of tjem. Others run as services and won't close at all, or simply restart themselves im tje background...
[Windows Phone 7 General] tomhierl:
Guys, please get a clue. The back button does NOT kill apps.

Why are you WP7 fanboys so patheticly clueless?

People with a clue prefer Android.
[Windows Phone 7 General] powersquad:
android is slow, laggy and the UI sucks. period.
[Windows Phone 7 General] shoemeistah:
You probably haven't tried a fast android phone before or at least set one up right...

Sent from my HTC
[Windows Phone 7 General] powersquad:
a product should work right out of the box. do you really expect your parents to root their phone and load custom ROMS or load Cynaogen mod?

this is why iOS is more successfull and popular compared to android. wp7 is going to fill in for android and compete with iOS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] emuneee:
Last I checked Android is outselling all other smartphone platforms...besides Symbian.

Android does have a Windows Mobile 6.5 feeling to it depending in what device you get. This is why companies like HTC choose to skin the OS. Most Android devices the majority of users get a good user experience out of the box. The exception being Galaxy S users...LOL.

Windows Phone 7 has it strengths as well. It will not supplant Android anytime soon however. I think they will do more damage to RIMs marketshare. Things will get interesting however.

Different strokes for different folks though.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JKshowman:
omg

keep these arguments going please :rolleyes:

but yeah, i have owned a g1 for a year, and now a nexus one for almost a year. and i love it. but i guess this is up to who likes who. i like all this rooting, flashing, and stuff. its like i get a new phone. but if you like simple, WM7 is for you (defintinly not iphone though)

the choice is entirely based on what you want out of a phone
[Windows Phone 7 General] gatesmarch123:
Okay...I'll take a stab here. I have a Galaxy S and love it. However I really feel a void when it comes to games on the Android platform. This is the one area where the freedom of Android hurts itself. Manufacturers adding their own custom UI, hardware specs all over the map, and so far what like 4 variations of the Android OS. This is a (Quality) game developer's nightmare!

I will keep my Galaxy S AND get a wp7 for the whole xbox experience. Iphone and wp7 win when it comes to games...quality games. All have the same hardware specs...so the developers know exactly what they're developing for. Besides I hate Steve Jobs and his pretty little devices...so I have to go with wp7.

Sent from: Under your bed
[Windows Phone 7 General] ericc191:
Why is it so hard to acknowledge that Android and WP7 are both great mobile OSes? Seriously..

This comment is for the people saying one OS "owns" another OS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Amdroid is decent.

iOS really outsells android when you realize iOS smartphones are on limited carriers amd only one hardware platform. There is no way Android could compete with a similar business model. Amdroid sacrifices a lot of polish and developer friendliness to compete with iOS. It's both a win and a loss for them.

I personally don't see android as being more polished than WinMo 6.5.x. I personally think most android UI's are worse than e.g. Sense on the HD2, which is actually pretty damn good.

The sad thing is how I have a Vibrant but I'm forced to carry my HD2 aroumg with me to listen to my ZunePass music, even though it's basically not even a phome right now, Lol.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Most people expect that part of the phone to be properly set up before they buy the phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] android53:
Please only compare the new android phones to the new wp7 phones, its only fair.

The old batch of android phones WERE slow and laggy, but the ones with comparable specs are pretty fast nowadays, check out the g2 stock experience
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Galaxy S devices are new phones, for example. Droid 2 and Droid X are new phones. HTC Incredible is a new phone. What are you talking about?

You're trying to have it both ways.

Windows Phone 7 devices are using HD2-level Hardware. It's outperforming current Android handsets with hardware close to (or over) a year old and that says a lot about performance.

Trying to cherry pick is not going to help you argument, IMO.

The hardware has really not much to do with it. Windows Phone 7 is simply superior from a design and implementation point of view. The Code is tighter, the .NET runtime runs circles around Android's VM/JIT, and the drivers are of much higher quality.

We haven't heard anything about GPS issues on Windows Phone 7, or users with weak radios in their phones.

This is the result of a stable platform on certified hardware with drivers written by the OS manufacturer.

The hillarious thing is that the Windows Mobile route that Andoid is going down has already been proven to be flawed. Windows Mobile existed for like a decade or longer and displayed the issues with that model. The fact that Microsoft abandoned it and it allowed them to deliver a platform that "just works" and has a consistent user experience with great/optimized workflow speaks for itself.

And I like how you people say compare this to that, when we have to read marketshare mumbo jumbo from Android fanbois comparing a platform tethered to one set of hardware to one that is freely given out like crack on the corner to run on any and everything. Hell, some manufacturers are even putting Android of Resistive Touchscreen phones/tablets and selling them (even if they don't have market access). Since it's so easy to sideload onto Android, they don't really have a reason not to.

Let's not forget even new devices are STILL being shipped with Android 1.6 and 2.1.
[Windows Phone 7 General] android53:
Of course the code is tight, its a locked down os, designed around one hardware combo.

One year from now will be when things get interesting, will microsoft slowly fragment to be competitive?
[Windows Phone 7 General] tomhierl:
You made my day! :D:D:D:D:D:D

Worldwide:

Symbian 33%

Android 25%

iOS 17%

BB 15%
[Windows Phone 7 General] tomhierl:
Cause it's not true. WP7 is not a good mobile OS.

Yess and they ALL work better than WP7 phones out of the box. Point proven.

http://blog.donnfelker.com/2010/09/07/the-wp7-fragmentation-challenge/

A fast developing OS with more "fragmentation" is better than a slow developing OS. In the end, Android users will always get their updates faster than WP7 users.

http://wmpoweruser.com/more-htc-7-trophy-troublesnow-screen-has-bubbles/

http://wmpoweruser.com/htc-solves-lgs-wp7-dlna-issue-with-accessory/

http://wmpoweruser.com/more-htc-quality-control-issuesnow-htc-7-trophy-with-backwards-screen/

http://www.neowin.net/news/wp7s-zune-based-marketplace-is-subpar

http://wmpoweruser.com/not-all-wind...-7-loads-games-much-faster-that-htc-7-trophy/

Just a few out of many issues with WP7 phones. So much for the quality control.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tone_:
no where nearly as many problems as android continues to have

Android kernel leaks like a colander 359 defects, 88 high risk

Google directly copied Java code: Here's the line-by-line comparison

http://androidforums.com/samsung-galaxy-s/104872-gps-issues.html

http://www.pcworld.com/article/198750/googles_problems_with_android_market_continue.html

http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/youtube/thread?tid=0a5ee7c5dd812ac4&hl=en

http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/092910-android-privacy.html

http://gizmodo.com/5599435/over-1m-android-users-details-were-compromised-thanks-to-a-malicious-app

http://androidforums.com/samsung-captivate/141084-music-player-app-crashes.html

http://androidforums.com/samsung-i7500/10539-com-android-phone-keeps-crashing.html

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/android-fragmentation-is-real/8499

http://forum.androidcentral.com/droid-incredible/12040-locks-up-reboots.html

http://www.google.co.uk/support/forum/p/android/thread?tid=6767a40a4394c49e&hl=en

http://www.guruht.com/2010/07/htc-android-marketgmail-connection.html
[Windows Phone 7 General] powersquad:
marketshare and populairty are 2 different things :rolleyes:

go and ask 10 random people on the street.

have you heard of iphone?

then ask

have you heard of android?

you will get your answer. i still stand by my statement that android is slow, UI sucks and development sucks on android.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tomhierl:
Errr...... no.

These are sales numbers, which are directly linked to popularity, not subscriber share numbers.

Relative to the number of users, there are far more quality problems with WP7.

I'm not surprised, it's a rushed release.

No quality control whatsoever, because otherwise they would've been too late for the holidays.

That's no surprise, WP7 fanboys in general seem to be very closed-minded (and mostly clueless when it comes to Android - which of course is a result of their closed-mindedness).

(which is no surprise either, cause what open-minded person would prefer a bad product over a good one?)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tone_:
If you compare android v1 and windows v1 android would easily be the buggiest..

even now android kernel leaks like a colander 359 defects, 88 high risk
[Windows Phone 7 General] tomhierl:
Too bad WP7 doesn't have to compete with Android 1.0. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Oh and if we're talking about security, maybe we should have a look at the whole story:

That means Android actually has less than half as many code defects in its kernel than other software.

Again, that's no surprise. After all, it's based on the Linux kernel.
[Windows Phone 7 General] addicus:
These are manufacturing issues and not OS issues. If you are going to break down the bad quality of WP7 (which has multiple handset manufacturers) then prove the issues with the OS not the handset. That's what this discussion is about. If HTC doesn't make a high quality build phone people will buy another manufacturers handset.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tomhierl:
Quality control issues.

Oh, and there were lots of software issues as well, like XBox Live crashing on HTC phones, IE crashing on certain websites, Marketplace apps claiming they were 'pirated' etc.

Actually, I don't really have a problem with this, as there will always be bugs in new products - no matter who makes them (HTC, Apple, Samsung, Microsoft...).

The point simply is that WP7 is not at all free from those issues (and no product will ever be!).
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tone_:
True but it does not look like the bugs have been fixed from leaky android so no problem and what's going to happen when to android google gets prosecuted for stealing code..?
[Windows Phone 7 General] tomhierl:
Read your sources. Android has less than half as many code defects (security issues) as other software.

http://www.informationweek.com/news...rticle.jhtml?articleID=228100092&itc=ref-true
[Windows Phone 7 General] addicus:
While the code is tight and the OS is locked down, the OS is not designed around one hardware combo. It just has a level of minimums that we are seeing currently, which is pretty damn good for current technology. Everything in the developers tool kit shows how the system is made to go on to higher speced machinery as it becomes available, such as the OS doing the visual scaling.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
Is your glass half full or half empty???

The idea behind the linux source code to be freely available is that everyone can take a shot at it to make it better, or sometimes worse.

But it only gets better with every major release :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] tomhierl:
I'd say an OS that's twice as secure as the industry average is like a glass that's almost full... :D

(with full being a 100% secure OS, which is unlikely to ever exist)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tone_:
"Android Kernel Security Above Average, Below Linux"

So android has doubled the defects found in the linux kernel it started from as well as stealing code from sun - what a great achievement :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] tomhierl:
Those are the keywords here.

And still it's more secure than pretty much everythng else... how many defects does WP7 have, compared to the Linux kernel? Ten times as many? Twenty times as many?

I'll give Microsoft that they've managed to make Windows pretty secure (almost reaching Linux), but since WP7 is a rushed release, I'm certain that it's not anywhere as secure as Linux or Android.

(and don't get me wrong, Windows 7 is a lot better than desktop Linux ;))
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
I would give it to MS - they probably removed a better half of their security holes by going away from Active-X, but now you have these users upset about Adobe Flash not available.

I am waiting for another one - "it is coming with the next release" comment :D

If they are going to introduce Active-X to introduce plug-in support in IE, all these users are going to be waiting for the Patch Tuesdays, wonder how the carriers are going to react to that :rolleyes:
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tone_:
The same android that leaked millions of users details like sieve... lol

I am not sure why don't you look it windows defect up?

I am also certain it's anywhere as secure as Linux or Android. ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] tomhierl:
Of course, they can't test closed source software.

Microsoft RTM software is around 0.5 code defecs per KLOC. WP7 certainly contains more errors, since it's been rushed to release.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Did we get another incarnation of the old time Android troll here? Every time I think he's gone there's a new user who pops up out of nowhere with low post count who starts the same crap all over again.
[Windows Phone 7 General] addicus:
The testers even state that closed source systems have intellectual property issues that don't often allow testing.

My point was the argument was framed as if Android had half of the defects of all available operating systems and not just open sourced operating system. Truth is the testing was actually done only on the Android system that came with the HTC Incredible and is stated as such in the pdf. They said they expect other Android OS's to have more defects than what they found in this testing.

I'm just trying to put the information out there in a fair and honest manner.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tomhierl:
@vangrieg

That's another way to end an inconvenient discussion... :D:D:D

So everyone who disagrees with you is a troll? Nice. I hope you realize that you're the one who doesn't have anything to contibute.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tone_:
Not a troll?
[Windows Phone 7 General] tomhierl:
Wow, that's how closed-minded WP7 fanboys react when they're unable to lead a discussion with arguments?

Nice.

I have a feeling that you guys just want this thread to be closed, because you know WP7 is "losing". But you're out of luck, because I won't stoop to that level.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tone_:
Still waiting a response about leaking user details.. android leads this by millions of users..
[Windows Phone 7 General] tomhierl:
Really? How do you know? I'm actually pretty certain that iOS has more such issues: http://www.pskl.us/wp/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/iPhone-Applications-Privacy-Issues.pdf

So, actually iOS is leading here... WP7 won't be better. Android is the most secure in this regard, because it tells the user which data apps can access and allows apps that can track what's "leaking" from your phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tone_:
I am not aware of ios apps sending user data to china - I think android is king on this front.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tomhierl:
Of course you're not aware... unlike with Android, you can't have any knowledge or control about that.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tone_:
Are you for real a jailbroken ios has much more functionality than a rooted android of course you get this information - where is the linux userland?
[Windows Phone 7 General] tomhierl:
I don't get your point, sorry. Are you trying to say you have to jailbreak your phone in order to be secure? Is that what we call "user-friendly" these days?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tone_:
I am not talking about application security we know android is bad at that..

You implied you had no control of ios and can't have any knowledge or control..
[Windows Phone 7 General] tomhierl:
Actually Android is best at application security, because it's the only OS that gives you control and knowledge. Anyway...

...there you have your iOS apps sending UDIDs to ad networks: http://www.talkandroid.com/16443-ios-app-privacy-hole-39-of-top-57-app-store-apps-send-out-udid/

Naturally the individual iOS or WP7 user has no control or knowledge whatsoever, unless he jailbreaks his device.

You're definitely more secure with an Android device.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tone_:
If by secure you mean more chance of losing your data.. :p

Windows phone boots faster than bloated android

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JGHwaHcdKA

Win7: 24 seconds

Nexus One: 34 seconds

iPhone: 34 seconds

HD2: 38 seconds

Windows Phone 7 Browser Comparison

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgvphQx9MY

Android not exactly shining for a 'mature os'
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Are you joking:confused: Boot times?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6droPt2v8o&feature=related

Desire Z: Less than 5 seconds

Browser Comparison:

WP7: 1

IOS and Android: Many!
[Windows Phone 7 General] ericc191:
To be fair, that isn't a true boot up.
[Windows Phone 7 General] predator290:
lol, then unbloat it. thats the beauty of android, change whatever you feel like. and for the browser comparison..... I really dont see the difference in a few seconds load times. We are to the point in technology that everything is within seconds so why does it matter. its all about preference. I love android and my nexus one and will never get rid of it. Although i'm excited to get a HD7 and check out WP7. I dont see why someone has to be diehard one mobile OS. I've tried all mobile OS's to date and like android the best, but I always keep an open mind for up and coming tech.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tone_:
Cool feature but coming out of hibernation is not booting..

If you think slow loading and choppy zooming is a feature then android is a winner..
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tone_:
I actually quite like android I am just countering tomhierl BS as the mod's don't seem to do anything about his constant trolling..

Why be in the WP7 if you hate something so much?
[Windows Phone 7 General] kenikh:
Having used an Android Galaxy S and Samsung Focus side by side, you'll notice a few things:

WP7 is waaaaaaaaaaaay smoother

WP7 is waaaaaaaaaaaay easier to use

Android has more apps - but we won't really know what they real state of affairs is untile the US rollout of WP7 on the 8th

I think the WP7 phone is a better device than any Android or iPhone. The damned thing feels like it reads your mind.

The fact that anyone can say that with a straight face and be able to argue the point is downright shocking given where Microsoft was a year ago.
[Windows Phone 7 General] kenikh:
The above statement is the definition of ignorance. The only way someone can come up with this rationale is by using the (il)logic that Android mut be scure because nothing bad has ever happened. That's like saying your house is as secure as Fort Knox, even though your front door is wide open, simply because you've never been robbed.

Linux is so easy to exploit it is downright frightening. The first major, transmittable virus that hits the Android platform is going to scare the HELL out of you.

Not if, WHEN.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tomhierl:
Nah it's just the result of not being closed-minded and looking at the actual facts, applying some logic and then concluding that Android is the most secure, because it's the only OS that gives you knowledge about apps' permissions.

With WP7 and iOS, you won't even notice when you get robbed. :D

Oh, and I disagree about Linux being easy to exploit. I do prefer Windows on my desktop, but I'm not ignoring the facts (that by the way pretty much every expert agrees with).

And by the way it's striking how WP7 fanboys react when you provide them with actual facts.

Not everyone who disagrees with you guys is a troll.

Most people who disagree with you simply have more knowledge. ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] ericc191:
This is my viewpoint too. Well said.