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[Windows Phone 7 General] Ogner:
I do like the core Google apps. But I guess they must be written in C or C++. It really annoys me how often market apps FC. I could blame Java. But thats not fair. I blame Google. Eclipse is a hobbyist GPL implementation of Java. So it is bound to be full of bugs and problems.

Kevin Rose said the OS and apps suck ass:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FJ_-Zw9fyw

And I agree with almost everything he says.

There are some things I like about Android. I really like being able to save an MP3file from a webpage. Or save a video file or apk from rapidshare or megaupload. I like at least having the option to view Flash in the browser. I like the browser. I like Google maps. I like Youtube. I like Google search.

But the scrolling, tapping, text reflow and pinch to zoom are awful on Android. iPhone was the gold standard but I believe that Windows Phone is now the best at these touch elements. And have you tried using copy and paste?

It is a nightmare developing for Android. The SDK sucks. The support is dreadful. There are 5 different versions of Android out there. Loads of OEM alterations and UIs. Loads of different hardware configurations.

EA had to develop 2 versions of NFS. One for Adreno and another one for PowerVR.

I guess Android is the best mobile OS that was released free of charge. They say you get what you pay for. I agree.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ericc191:
I agree with a lot of what you just said. There's a lot of polish missing from the Android OS. The games and most apps look like they are rushed and most of the time are very buggy.

That's one depressing thing about WP7. If it had a file explorer and thumb drive support, I feel it would meet my needs 100 percent.

I did not include Flash, C&P, Multi-Tasking in the above comment because MS has already said they're on the way.
[Windows Phone 7 General] amir_rafie:
Microsoft just copy iOS 1 with all of it`s weakness!

now we have WP7 fanboys that behave similar to apple fanboys, they close their eyes and just say: we don`t need file explorer, we don`t need copy & paste, we don`t need multi tasking ! we don`t use bluetooth for transfering files !!! so what do you do with your smartphones ?!!! only listen to music?! so why don`t you buy a PMP instead of WP7 ?!!

and when the microsft add a simple feature like copy & paste to WP7 , fanboys will become very very happy !!!!! :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] ericc191:
No.
[Windows Phone 7 General] max_carpenter:
Hi Guys, I appologise I have not had time to read all through this thread but to my input in:

I have been a WM user for years and always loved smartphones and was very loyal, However this year when I upgraded I couldnt get the HD2 so I took a leap over to Andoird with the Desire.

I ama amazed at how good it is compared to WM, its quicker, more responsive than even the HD2. It has never crashed on me in months, Many more decent apps I have found on Android rather than WM unless they are just easyier to find on Android then only down side is I am a vb.net programmer so can't make my own apps at the moment.

I had to go back to my old WinMo for a few weeks while I didn't have the desire and I was shocked at how slow and how many times it crashes and couldnt beleive I used to think this phone was amazing.

Honestly I haven't tried a WP7 yet although I did have a technical beta emulator and I didn't like it. Maybe I will give it a try soon...
[Windows Phone 7 General] freakfingers12:
Hi peeps, I glimpsed through the thread with a bag of pop corn. Wow, what a debate.

Personally, I see the WP7 as a promising platform, but not at their infant stages. They still need a lot of development which other OS have gone through for year(s). Initial release, WP7 can't even play youtube. What? It's a NOVEMBER 2010 smartphone for god's sake. I know it's new from scratch, but general consumers expect these features from their smartphone.

It is really missing a lot of features for a high-end, pricey smartphone like copy and paste, multitasking, folders, video chat, mms, no twitter integration and such. Who in the right mind will want to pay for it when they can get an eg Desire HD for that price? This is coming from a general user's point of view. I am not an avid supporter of any of the OSs.

I've personally used N73 (symbian), HTC Diamond (WM6), iPhone 3GS, iPod 2G up to 4G, iPhone 4 (iOS) and Samsung Galaxy S (android). So, I've rode a lot of boat here. I like iPhone 4, but I don't see myself hanging onto it for more than a month because I personally like to customise and WP7 lacks customisation. No home screen, no live wallpapers, no backgrounds and no custom ringtones. I just can't live with that.

Yeah go ahead and say android does not have Zune, does not have xbox live. At least I can still listen to music and play games, and fyi, Galaxy S is still good at doing these. Also, RAGE is going to be ported to android but not on WP7. Ha! There.
[Windows Phone 7 General] empolla:
sigh....

One main difference that your fruit blindness if not allowing you to see.

MS has never said unlike apple that things such as Copy and Paste and multitasking are not needed. MS has admitted their shortcomings unlike apple instead of saying it's not needed for years then implementing it like it the coming of a new age. MS has also said that it should be here next year.

Don't make me have to walk you through basic things...

don't talk in absolutes if you don't know what you're talking about. WP7 can play youtube but it has no dedicated youtube app.

No other OS has twitter integration built in so why hold it against WP7. The only thing stopping twitter integration is twitter themselves, MS can't do anything about.

That's the good thing about competition. All those customizations you listed are on android, so stick with it.

Ha! There. <---- Were you trying to make a joke. Let me give it a try.

WP7 been out for 3 weeks and it already has a Netflix app with full streaming to the phone but no android app in sight. Ha! There.

pointless......
[Windows Phone 7 General] rruffman:
No not everyone needs file explorer and most dont use it, most do not even use true "multi task", nor bluetooth transfer so seems like its mostly what you and about 5% of the smart phone population says is needed but thats not enough to keep large os manufaturers in business so sit on the side and wait or stick with the crappy android os, (by the way if android was so great then there would be no reason to be concerned with what ms is doing you should be happy with what you got)
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Yeah, so those people who are not having any clue, are meaningful users

but the actual user complaining about things is what, less valuable? Not human?

Is he not a user?!

Stick those comments to yourself, especially here.

Or use argument.

MS made a great job in many areas while screwing completely in others, no doubt about it.

BTW do you know most of the users don't care about cameras on phones?
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Just leaving T-Mobile played with an HD7.

Android pretty much doesn't exist to me ATM.

After playing with that phone pretty much anything else feels laggy. They were trying to sell me a MyTouch... Not gonma happen. After I upgrade off this Vibrant to the HD7 there will be no looking back.

Played with a G2 as well. Worst ****ing hinge I've ever seen/used.

Interestingly the reps are now talking about how the Vibrants all have problems in attempts to upsell you other Android phones... Lol!
[Windows Phone 7 General] freakfingers12:
I know they have youtube app. I am saying initially.

Look, I don't have anything against WP7. Just venting a little bit of self dissatisfaction. :D I was reading and researching a lot about WP7 and have great impression on it before getting myself an android. I know android gets a lot of fragmentation, that's why I go with the popular one that might not get left out too soon. WP7 didn't turn out the way I expected. Being new is just an excuse to miss out features, imho. I just hope it expands as fast as android. I am looking forward to own a WP7 next year since they promise to cover most of the features by that time.

Yeah, I know that but netflix isn't international, I am not in the states. So... Yeah. I hope I was not being a complete retard here.

No hard feelings empolla.

Lol, I got that too. Went to a HTC authorised dealer and they kept saying how terrible the galaxy S phones are.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Actually use doubletwist and then come back. That software is a complete non-factor and its performance is terrible. Samsung has Kies for Galaxy S, but it too has performance issues and apparently its too good for us here in the US.

People are talking about yeat 2010 OSes when they're willing to sync media like it's 2001 and pass it along as the next best thing. Even Palm OS had a Symc solution. No matter y'all need a file manager...

On top of that, Android has no native Outlook sync yet people complain about that as if it's a point against WP7.

The hypocrisy is overfilling in these threads.

I can't believe people liken Zune/iTunes to dragging and dropping to a thumb drive. it IS a smartphone and hopefully thr industry is moving in a direction that makes the phones easier to use and manage, not staying stuck in 2001.
[Windows Phone 7 General] bigdish:
"On top of that, Android has no native Outlook sync yet people complain about that as if it's a point against WP7."

My Desire HD syncs perfectly with Outlook - Contacts and Calendar

(sorry if I interpreted your post re Android)
[Windows Phone 7 General] truffle1234:
Whatever.......
[Windows Phone 7 General] powersquad:
android just copy windows mobile as well with all of it's weakness! now we have android fanboys that behave similar to windows mobile fanboys, they close their eyes and just say: we have fragmentation, our OS is slow, it's buggy, apps suck, out of the box it's a total fail, no decent music player comes shipped with any phone and we have to root/hack and load custom ROM's to make our android OS work and functional.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Actually Android is worse than Windows Mobile 6.5 in a lot of ways. I use my HD2 as a Windows Mobile iPod Touch (to get the point across) and it's totally functional in that way. All my Zune Pass Music, Documents, etc. Sync to it. There is Office 2010, Windows Live for Windows Mobile, Twitter and Facebook Integration (and App for Facebook). ActiveSync works. I just use WiFi to access the net when at hotspots. Can't wait to get an HD7, though. Playing with that thing totally has me excited... I dunno if I can wait long enough to get one /faints/
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
That's cause HTC has a proprietary HTC Sync Application.

Samsung phones don't have HTC Sync, and can't use it. Motorola Phones don't use HTC Sync. LG phones don't use HTC Sync. Each Manufacturer has to come up with their own solution, just like each of them have to put their own Exchange functionality into the phones, leading to buggy Exchange Clients (HTC most notorious for this, lots of people couldn't even get Hotmail ActiveSync to work on HTC handsets due to Exchange bugs on their phones when it was released).

Android has no native Outlook Sync, because there is no standard interface like ActiveSync. That's also why there are no decent Sync Applications for Android as a platform. DoubleTwist does nothing but parse your Libraries for Media and move it to your phone as if it was moving it to a Thumb Drive. Mind as well use a batch file or PowerShell script to sync your phone than use their buggy-as-hell, slow, iTunes clone. Any Windows Mobile phone could use Microsoft ActiveSync to do that, but the interfaces on Android are fragmented (big surprise there). On top of that, Windows Mobile phones could Sync Documents, Photos, Videos, Music, etc. Android needs to stop letting the platform fragment on multiple levels. It's frustrating for users, and leads to a horrible user experience (like people on forums talking about dragging and dropping to a Thumb Drive like that's something people would find acceptable when they've been using iTunes/Zune/ActiveSync/WMDC for years...).

I had a mid-range HTC Android phone on AT&T, I know what applications they have for it. You can't even download it from their site unless you put in the IMEI of an HTC phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rruffman:
no they are not people who don't have any clue there are regular users who personaly dont need it... and no it dosnt make the people who want it anyless of a person lets get real. its called you cant have everything you want when you want it. or even get everything you want, thats why we have choices ios, andriod, wm6.5, wp7, etc if wm7 does not have what you want then go to ios, anfroid, wm6.5 or something else dont sit on these boards and whine like a little baby, eather accetp what they have, wait for it to include what you can deal with, or move to another os.. no one is holding a gun to your head making you buy it and i am personally sick of reading the the same bs in all the threads... stop whining and get over it its not going to change anything!!!! if the 5% thats whinning kept MS on top then we would most likely not be having this debate the fact is that a company #1 objective is to make money and 1st cater to the masses then the rest sorry that you fall in the 5% but we cant have everything we want when we want it... its called adjusting and not whining about it as there is nothing you can do nor say to change reality. frankly i do not see the big deal as far as file explorer, and bluetooth transfer goes i am a software developer for 15+ years had smartphones for several of thoes years and never seen the need for file explorer except for having to manage the tons of cabs to install when i needed to reflash my rom twice a month because of the unstableness of wm6.5 and frankly i am sick of it give me a phone that works i dont need my phone to be my desktop computer that's what i have a desktop, and laptop, and mini computer for... if my music, photos, documents and such are added to my phone via cloud, sync i personaly dont care where there are stored. as far as bluetooth transfer have you ever heard of a such thing called email? or sms? i personally dont want my phone connected to anyone else, and emailing it or sms is alot faster than bluetooth 1st turn on bluetooth, 2nd try to connect to each other, 3rd find file to send, 4th then send file and hope there is no problem and if so try again (please).. email open email, attach file, send. enough said...
[Windows Phone 7 General] The Gate Keeper:
also, a lot earlier on there was comment made about how only Android allows you to select what apps access controls. Well I can now confirm that this is also capable in Windows Phone as well. When installing the app IMDb, it asked me it said the application wanted to know my location, and whether or not i agreed to this. So therefore, the reasoning earlier to say that Android is the only true OS that allows for control of apps makes it superior in this regard, it's now not really founded. This is most likely a step up above Android actually as MS first screens the apps to make sure the requests of certain additional features like location awareness are based upon necessity to the application based on MS' guidelines.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ericc191:
Lol, screw him and his Apple fanism/paycheck for not porting it to WP7. :p
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
I don't understand fumbly statements like these.

Galaxy S cannot play Zune Pass music at all. That is a big deal. Zune lets you download unlimited DRM Music and play it unlimited times. You get 10 free per month.

Compared to AmazonMP3, you're basically paying $5 for Unlimited Download/Play/Streaming of DRM's music, since you get 10 free and AmazonMP3 typically sells music for $0.99 each. Android doesn't Support the DRM in Zune Pass Music, nor does it have Silverlight in the Browser, so you can't stream from there.

Zune's Music Discovery Engine is far superior to any "Online Radio" application like Pandora or Slacker. They're basically useless if you have a Zune Pass subscription. That's an incredible value.

I have like 10 GB of Zune Pass music on my PC and I am forced to carry around my HD2 as an iPod or sorts to listen to it.

Tell any iOS/iTunes user to "not tell you about iTunes" when they make decisions about what their next device will be when they have a 10GB+ Media Library on their computer and they will laugh in your face - hard. Learn to look at it from other perspectives.

Other people actually have to make decisions and we don't like to just throw things away when we consider new devices, just because a fanboi on a forum thinks a Vibrant can offer a comparable media experience to a WP7 device (Hint: No, it can't... Not even close) or iPhone.

I deleted the rest because it just wasn't worth the effort, TBH.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Lots of Android Apps have been found to share info with each other and send it to i.e. Advertisers etc.

I think the fanbois need to tone it down. Android is the epitome of an OS trying to masquerade as secure while it allows apps installed to violate your privacy in every way possible.
[Windows Phone 7 General] The Gate Keeper:
yea, i was just saying that tomhierl's point of saying that Android is more secure than WP/iOS because of it's "ability" to allow users to know what things the app is accessing is now null-and-void as I have just been able to see first hand on my own windows phone that you're presented with these exact same questions when you install and application as well, and these are apps that have been screened, so at least it's clear that when it's asking for this access, it actually needs it for it's intended purpose.

I do agree with you though, too much fanbois, and I think even from MS side too.

What I would like to see in terms of a file explorer [from desktop view] (more to shut people up, rather than a MUST have feature or anything) is that the phone acts as a USB drive, with the folders mapped to the different parts of the phone, and that's it. So you cannot write anything to the root directory of the suppose USB device, but you can to each folder. So Music/Documents/Messages/Pictures, and whatever else, and perhaps 1 folder which the OS doesn't interact with which you could store your own stuff on there. This would make it more feasible as a USB drive, and also allow phone to interect with the same files. It's a suggestion more to shut those up who think it's required, I personally am liking Zune so far. It's very nice and easy on the eye.
[Windows Phone 7 General] owenw:
I took WP7 over Android for many reasons, particularly how smooth and snappy the UI is on WP7. I've done a in depth feature review on Android VS WP7 here:

http://www.neowin.net/news/wp7-vs-android---part-one-the-basics

http://www.neowin.net/news/wp7-vs-android---part-2-communication

http://www.neowin.net/news/wp7-vs-android---part-three-features-galore
[Windows Phone 7 General] f1restarter:
I'm really interested in getting the Windows 7 phone but two things are bothering me. One is that Microsoft went out of the way to make the Windows 7 phone a huge success with heavy marketing and even a funeral for the iPhone! They came out with all guns blazing so to speak by starting from scratch and making sure they control every aspect of this phone since they knew they were competing with two giants i.e iPhone and Android. Why then did they choose last years CPU to debut their trump card?

My second concern is that every review is praising the Windows 7 OS as "blazing fast" or "smooth as butter" and even better than iOS, could that be because the OS is trimmed down to bare minimum and there is not even a wallpaper and hardly any app installed when it comes out of the box? So if more apps are installed would that bog down the CPU which is first gen?
[Windows Phone 7 General] FTC:
...what has Microsoft to do with the choice of CPU? Their job is to take

care of a nice and stable OS. Microsoft has also set up the guidelines

for the minimum standards. But it is up to HTC, Dell and the other makers

to decide on the CPU they using for their hardware...

FTC
[Windows Phone 7 General] The Gate Keeper:
i believe it's more of a bench mark at present. hopefully they will allow other chips to be used that are better performers so that manufacters can have a bit of variety and cost changes.

And i don't believe this is the case in terms of why the OS is fast. I believe it will come down to the mere design of the architecture of the OS, that's all.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Google bought Android in 2005, and the OS had been in development for some time before that. Moreover, didn't Rubin come to Android from Danger?

I don't know how much time Apple spent on the iPhone, but certainly not three years total.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tonbar:
With Windows Phone I see a real parallel with the Xbox. Before the Xbox, Microsoft was already whether it liked it or not a gaming company on the desktop. The games were there but the hardware is unstandardized, and the software is uncontrolled. The Xbox was born out of this need for Microsoft to compete again in a world where it's actually always been supreme. And one of the huge positives surrounding the Xbox was its delay to the market, it came out after the Sony PS2, and despite never catching up to Sony in overall marketshare during that generation of products it gained a foothold into a market it eventually came to take over.

Windows Phone gains so much by simply being last at the party, rather than this static page or grid of icons on iPhone or even Android it's a new, dynamic way to interact with your phone. It takes the best ideas surrounding the iPhone, standardized specifications and non-modified OS (sorry Sense fans but I prefer vanilla-Froyo anyday) and puts it on every major carrier.

Honestly though, at the end of the day, your question is why take WP7 over Android and I don't know how much of an answer I have for you because honestly Android isn't Microsoft's competition here. I know, I know, Android is THE power player now, but Microsoft's push is to take Apple head on, not Google. In my video game analogy Google is sort of like Nintendo. It's products are different, have a huge fanbase and likely aren't going anywhere.

Sorry for the non-coherent rant but basically my point is this, the marketshare will come and go, but these three are here to stay. As an end user the decision comes down to what you want. Open, Closed or Closed but slightly more open.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
The statement is still true, Google has been in the mobile market for only 2 years. Microsoft has been in this market for 10. This is NOT a from scratch OS from Microsoft. Metro is not new.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
One of the best statements in this thread.
[Windows Phone 7 General] brummiesteven:
Regardless of it's shortfalls, Microsoft have done some very clever things here:

- They have integrated Xbox Live, It's more or less an Xbox Handheld. More and More "casual" users are buying Smartphones nowerdays and if they own an Xbox at home they're likely to go for WP7 because of it.

- They have integrated Zune. This doesn't really apply to the UK but in the US I'm guessing people who are after a Zune will just go for a WP7 Handset

- They started marketing IMMEDIATELY, Google haven't advertised Android Once. I really wish they would tbh.

- Even before the platform was released they solved any "fragmentation" issues they may have had by allowing multiple Manufacturers to use the OS.

- They have a lot of manufacturers onboard from the off, HTC, Samsung, LG, Dell... All great phone manufacturers. Android only ever had HTC and that device was rebranded by T-Mobile.