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[Vibrant General] larryccf:
if my grammar isn't good enough, don't read my posts. i'm not writing a doctoral thesis, nor an employment resume - lack of proper punctuation is still preferable to lack of logical thought process and deduction on sound empirical facts. Especially in light of the fact that sammy(are nicknames acceptable?) has already demonstrated bad faith on the i7500 on a similiar (compass) issue, and in releasing here in the US after they had to have known about the problem from the asian release. if you prefer to judge someone on grammar skills over good common sense judgement.... that indicates where your priorities lie. But again, if it bothers you so much, don't read my posts - simple solution.

and as far as congress "showing" anything about toyota, correction, congress didn't "show" anything - the NHSTA did an investigation, with the national press & MSM, at the white house's behest (to bolster GM or Gov't Owned motors' sales) and because it helps sell viewership & newspapers, convicted them before the investigation was over. Guess what came out two weeks ago from the NHSTA - that the majority of the toyota unintended accelerations, that the black boxes showed no evidence of the driver applying any brakes.

and it further came out that since 2002, there have been in excess of 20,000 reports of unintended acceleration ACROSS ALL THE BRANDS, not just toyota

20,000 occurances out of the 100 million autos on the road in the US, is not a bad statistical population.
[Vibrant General] heygrl:
Interestingly enough my Compass seems more accurate with GPS off, it switches to the right direction with little lag.
[Vibrant General] rsfaze:
i just tested my GPS indoors and worked funny.

First click on my location in G maps it had me streets away, then I did it again and it had me down to the room I was in my house :D
[Vibrant General] tariqgibran:
That's what those who bought the earlier Galaxy thought as well. You know, the one that had the exact same issue and never got fixed.

What logic would lead one to expect a different result this time around?
[Vibrant General] heygrl:
This phone has launched in over 118 countries, Samsung has gone on record saying that this is their first serious entry into the smartphone market. IF they want to continue to sell smartphones and become a dominate player in the smartphone market they will make this right. The Galaxy was nothing but table scraps. Does it's GPS have problems? What about the Behold II?
[Vibrant General] XfooYen:
This topic has gotten out of control. Everyone go to your rooms!...and watch porn.
[Vibrant General] PhilSlater:
Let's not banter semantics. It is a serious problem, a core part of the functionality doesn't work. Saying it's a bug doesn't help. Worse, saying 'bugs happen' is worse than not helping. That would be insulting.

I pronounce this a defect. Whether there is a software bug, a design problem...bug, or a hardware (manufacturing or otherwise)...bug, it is a defect.

There is a group of people who buy a smart phone specifically to get GPS (navigation, etc). If you don't care about GPS then you have nothing to add to a conversation about GPS. People who do care about it, need it to work, reliably, and to the standard which other phones set.

I love the analogy of a dialpad with a couple numbers don't work. Yep, you can call numbers that don't have that. Or load in contacts from your computer and call them.

This GPS defect, along with subpar battery life, had me return a phone that otherwise I quite liked. The battery life may have been a random defect, but the GPS ain't.

If a company can't get the core functionality of a product right, especially since it has been out for some time in other markets, then it is a failure of the company. Until it is either fixed, or Samsung promises to fix it regardless of cost, I won't try it again, at least not with my money.

I'm not going to wave my hand dismissively at someone who complains of the problem.
[Vibrant General] Mark271:
Either way the GPS not working is both a bug and a defect. That analogy is basically horrible.

A better analogy would be to say that my radio on my car has faulty software and I need to reinstall it. GPS is a LUXURY not a necessity. It makes traveling easier, NOT POSSIBLE. It is not a core component that runs this phone, that would be, ram, cpu, hdd, gpu.
[Vibrant General] Jon C:
Quit being douchebags. It's broken and Samsung should fix it. End of debate.
[Vibrant General] silverwolf0:
Instead of complaining about the GPS problem and hoping Samsung will fix it, I advise everyone who find it a dealbreaker to return the phone if you are within your 14 day buyer's remorse period. This will send the biggest message to Samsung, which cannot be equaled by customer support/email/twitter, because it directly hurts their wallets.

I haven't received my Vibrant yet and plan to weather the storm as GPS isn't vital to my daily operation of the phone, but I can understand how frustrated others feel about such an important function. GPS has already become a definite standard and even cheap $100 cameras have one on board. I have faith that Samsung will fix the problem eventually and it is unreasonable to hope every product launch will be seamless considering the speed in which new phones and tech are being pushed out the door and the heated smartphone market. Even Apple's iPhone 4, which was thoroughly tested in state-of-the-art facilities, was not immune to a glaring oversight, but it is the nature of the beast when there are so many variables to consider.
[Vibrant General] coolguy949:
That statement assumes everyone bought the phone with GPS not being a core feature to them. RAM, CPU, HDD, GPU are core components, you're right. But those aren't features. Those are the enablers of features. Features like fast speed, multitasking, gigs of music storage, turn-by-turn navi, etc. People buy phones on features.

Not having functional GPS is a dealbreaker for me but I don't have a choice because I special ordered the phone through my buddy's cell phone store. I don't want to leave him stuck with the phone. I returned my Evo and jumped to this phone because of its SAMOLED screen, t-mobile data speeds, simultaneous voice and data, and other "core functionality", which for me includes GPS. It was absolutely flawless on the Evo. Google Nav was a dream coming from WinMo. Now on this phone it barely functions unless I'm on a freeway where it can figure out where I am to a 120ft radius. The compass is just as infuriating.

I'm willing to wait it out as long as they have a fix planned. However, if this resembles Samsung's history of updates (or lack thereof), we will be waiting an eternity. Let's hope they realize how big this phone is for them. If they don't fix this I will never buy another Samsung phone again. At least with the software issues on Evo (30 fps, lag, etc), the XDA community fixed most of it. For this problem we're completely dependent on Samsung and it makes me uneasy.
[Vibrant General] ttabbal:
I'm kinda stuck with the phone now. I suppose I could ebay it, but it's not worth the bother to me. Eugene's fix seems to help significantly, so I'm here for a while. However, if Samsung doesn't fix this with the Froyo update due in September, I'm never buying another Samsung product ever again. No TVs, BD players, refrigerators, not so much as a toothpick. :p
[Vibrant General] coolguy949:
The problem is that if these GPS issues are well known, the phone won't be worth much on eBay. :(
[Vibrant General] boomerbubba:
Not to worry. Just reading the forums, there is no shortage of suckers who think there is no GPS problem, who don't understand GPS at all, or who just don't care about GPS. Avatar on the SAMOLED screen is a much more compelling concept for these people.

Among anyone who reads such sources, the GPS problem is no secret already. But eBay prices are still strong.
[Vibrant General] nricci:
Perfect. I couldn't say it better.
[Vibrant General] larryccf:
Ding Ding Ding!!! Boomerbubba wins the cigar
[Vibrant General] heygrl:
Are both of you eligible for an AARP membership?

I don't use GPS enough for it to be a problem. That hardly makes ME a sucker. Someone that puts that much stock in GPS only to keep the phone regardless, THAT would make them a sucker.
[Vibrant General] XfooYen:
That just doesn't make sense. But I guess you can't fix stupid.
[Vibrant General] heygrl:
What's so hard to understand? If the GPS doesn't work and you NEED GPS, but keep it still you just got suckered into buying a phone that doesn't work for you. Keep on guessing, you'll get a clue eventually
[Vibrant General] larryccf:
heygirl - i've seen a couple of your posts where your perspective seems upside down, kind of like a compass that's been exposed to a strong magnetic field, ie your north is south

the "suckering" occurred when it was described as one of the functions of the device and you bought it to find it's not there - keeping it after you find it's not there (assuming the right of return), that's stupid, and the depth of that stupidity will demonstrate itself if Sammy doesn't or can't fix the issue, when you go to resell

the reputation of "non-functioning" GPS will by then, assuming you've used it for some period of time, will have reached the market

and for the record, i'd rather be old and eligbile for AARP (which i would never join) than young and blind
[Vibrant General] heygrl:
Why do you still have the phone? Kind of like someone that loves being miserable. Return it if the GPS is that important to you - apparently it overcomes any other aspect of the phone.

Go back to your G1/myTouch/CLIQ/N1 etc. and let us suckers that don't care about GPS wallow. You included yourself in that group just by keeping the phone after you we're aware of the issue.

Your perspective is not the right one regardless of what you think or have been told.
[Vibrant General] boomerbubba:
It's not personal, Sonny. It's business.

I'm just observing that there is a robust market for lemons in the phone biz, just as there is in the car biz. Despite the well-known GPS problems, vendors continue to sell new Vibrants, and resellers continue to sell used Vibrants.

So if someone is buying a Vibrant off-contract, he is not really at risk for the full price if Samsung fails to fix this with a firmware update. His lemon will still be worth far more than zero on the open market. During the next couple of months, while the four major carriers are still flogging Samsung Galaxy S variants as wonderful new phones, that dissatisfied buyer can probably recover most of his cost by reselling his handheld, warts and all. He can get maybe 80 cents on the dollar, depending in part on how he bought it. Look at eBay and see for yourself.

And yes, much of the demand is driven by fanboy suckers. They exist among T-Mobile customers, and they exist among the customers of the other three carriers. The trick is to sell them the used phone before the fanboys' attention has been redirected to the next big thing on the market. All smartphones depreciate rapidly.

So if I owned a Galaxy S phone off-contract, because I do think there is a significant chance the problems may be fixed and I like the other features, I might just gamble along for a while. What would be really dumb would be to keep the phone along with a two-year carrier contract, which is a much larger financial commitment. I definitely will not do that.
[Vibrant General] larryccf:
you continue to make statements that have no bearing in fact, and then use those statements to try to win the argument - sorry, but no cigar.

Instead of reading what you think i've said, and responding with what you FEEL should be the position, try reading the posts clinically, otherwise all you're doing is proving what the other poster commented about "not being able to fix stupid".

i just got Tmo to extend my buyer's remorse period 30 days additional, to Sept 16th - love the phone, just wish it would do what it was described as capable of
[Vibrant General] :
How you can describe factory hardware as "not a core component?"

What if the lower 20% of the screen didn't work? What if the volume buttons didn't work? You don't "need" them to operate the phone.

A better analogy would be if the heat in your car was stuck on full blast all summer long. Not having that would make traveling easier, NOT POSSIBLE. Or if your transmission was stuck in first gear; you can still drive, just not very fast.'

Also, I almost never make voice calls, so does that mean it should be okay if the voice calling "feature" of the phone didn't work 60% of the time? It's not detrimental to my daily use of the phone.
[Vibrant General] larryccf:
mindaika - you're arguing with an 18/19 yr old kid who is just now going to college - he has the total experience of being a consumer the total of 1-2 years, and probably then not a consumer spending his own money, but his parents

i quit that conversation awhile back
[Vibrant General] heygrl:
Which statement? Get down to the specifics. You can spare me the politician-like responses.

I've never seen someone so wrapped up into themselves.

My priorities are different than yours and you can't understand that or refuse to, and would rather think that your priorities are the only ones that are "right".

Some people don't value GPS as much as you do, try to understand that to the best of your ability.
[Vibrant General] funeralthirst:
wow, really? or maybe not everyone has the problem. my gps works fine, 8 sats locked, 12 seen, with 'use wireless networks' deselected. the only place i've had a problem is inside my work building, which my g1's gps didn't fare well in, either, and it's gps worked really well. the compass doesn't really work, but i don't care about that. i can get my location, use nav, etc. just fine. could it work better? probably. but don't assume just cause you read that some people have problems (and that because yours has a problem) that everyone does.
[Vibrant General] MMcCraryNJ:
This thread has gotten completely out of control and should be closed. Not helpful in the least.
[Vibrant General] larryccf:
be glad to - 1st one was i suggested in another thread the black gel cases as well as the black plastic back covers on our phones degraded reception on our phones (and GPS signals) and i offered what i knew about carbon being the coloring agent to achieve black - mind you i was suggesting, not stating like "moses on the mount" the possibility - you came out with a "moses on the mount" statement that no way the gel cases could do that, as you had one

My response to you then was simply, "you don't know that" - all you had said was what you felt, not had even tried to prove wrong, with your total proof being that you had a gel case

since then about 4 posters in different threads have confirmed what i had observed here - even though i had observed it i wasn't certain my experience was universal. You, even though you hadn't tried anything, knew your opinion was certain as gravity

then on another occasion, earlier in this or another GPS thread, i had postulated that sammy, had to have been aware of the GPS issue, at the latest, from the date of the asian market release, and smart money (on their part) would have been to correct it BEFORE releasing the phone in the USA market, as the US market is still the single primary world market (yeah, china is overtaking us, but their not quite there yet). Reason it would have been an important & smart move for sammy to correct that issue before releasing here, is this phone is sammy's attempt to gain recognition, show the world etc, that they can build a world class phone and attack the iPhone's market share.

you posted right after i made the above statement, not responding to me, how or because of the importance of the US market and the weight of the four US carriers, sammy would have no choice but to fix (this last example best demonstrates what i was referring to as your dis-oriented logic "compass").

your thinking or logic was reversed, ie how important it would be for sammy to correct the issue, when the reality is, it should never have been allowed to occur or to demonstrate on the US market.

now, further proof of my assertion about your "reading what you thought i said" and posting what you "feel", what do you see in any of my posts that is a "politician like response". I've given facts or opinions based on solid common sense logic, and you've digested posts through emotion tinged glasses and posted feelings

as to our "priorties" differing, i'm not the one that stepped into this conversation telling people that aren't happy with their non-functioning GPS, that they should return them and in essence SHTF up, how the GPS quasi-functioning is acceptable to you

- Buyers have a right to expect what was described and used to induce us to purchase this device. I suggest, it would more correct and proper, if you don't like seeing people complain / debate / discuss the gps issue, then you SHTF up and not participate in these threads. simple solution -

and this old fart wobbles out of the building on his cane, heading for my wheelchair
[Vibrant General] boomerbubba:
I am well aware that some people, at least some of the time, report that their GPS works fine. I also am aware of much anecdotal experience reported on various forums to the effect that the problems mysteriously occur for some users after seeming not to occur. It could be simply a matter of dumb luck on isolated samples, in which case T-Mobile could manage the problem simply by replacing defective units with good ones. (I replaced my phone once, and the GPS is no better.) But my understanding is that exchanges are no longer being approved for this purpose, that T-Mobile has acknowledged that a problem exists, and that the carrier is hoping for a general firmware fix sometime from Samsung.

The carrier, by the terms of its own imposition, declares that if I don't return this phone before the end of the current 14-day period, I will be stuck with a new two-year contract imposing a total financial liability of about two grand. Yet neither the carrier nor the manufacturer will guarantee that the problem will be fixed in the future! So it is not rational for me to accept those one-sided terms. If I did that, I would be the sucker.

GPS aside, I do like the device. So it might be rational, if I own an off-contract Vibrant, to gamble along for a bit hoping for a fix because I would not be risking so much in case the hopes are not fulfilled. And I would be free to move to a different carrier in the near future if a better alternative shows up anywhere in the marketplace.
[Vibrant General] larryccf:
boomerbubba - FWIW, tmo just gave me a 30 extension on the return period to give the GPS update a chance to float out and prove it works

in case it helps

just posted about it at http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=7584299#post7584299
[Vibrant General] heygrl:
You sensationalize EVERYTHING you write.

The fact of the matter is you we're completely wrong on the release date in Korea and subsequently wrong on the basis of your claim. Sensationalism at it's best. You still haven't corrected yourself.

The plastic case doesn't degrade any signal, GPS or otherwise. These claims of "2-3%" are all within what we call the margin of error & are unsubstantiated at that. You've got to be joking if you're trying to pass off "3-4" claims as gospel. "3-4" people think HIV doesn't cause AIDS, that doesn't make them right.

Anything else?
[Vibrant General] larryccf:
we don't know i was wrong about the korean release date, I will admit i can't find the news articles i saw it in, but even assuming i was wrong on the release date, HOW DOES THAT INVALIDATE WHAT I'VE PUT FORTH HERE??? What bearing does that have??? Kind of grasping desperately there, sorry, but again "no cigar"

and inspite of others posting they observed similiar signal degradation, not one other poster, but four, independent of each other in different threads. hell, one of them actually said he thought i was wrong, but he saw the results himself - obviously they're the ones that are wrong, not you

i have to assume you're one of those "not only never wrong, but never in doubt" individuals

have a nice day (said in the most "politician like" manner possible)
[Vibrant General] coolguy949:
Guys, we're all on the same team here. Let's be civil.
[Vibrant General] funeralthirst:
the only time my gps wasn't working was when i tried some of the 'fixes', other than that, it's just inside work it won't lock, but as soon as i step outside it's fine. and i ordered the phone the day it came out so i've had it for a while now. maybe i'm just lucky.

but i paid full price and don't have a contract, so i guess the stakes aren't as high for me cause $500 for the phone is still worth it, even if my gps didn't work. i'm stuck with tmob (employee account), my g1 was becoming unusable, and tmob doesn't have any other android phone worth a crap. that and i don't really rely on gps for much, and will never use the compass.

but your original post that i previously quoted made it sound like anyone who isn't having problems is dumb or lying.
[Vibrant General] heygrl:
There is no desperation here, you we're wrong about the Korean release date and you had absolutely no facts to back up your bogus claim of the back cover reducing or blocking GPS signals. I don't bother trying to correct/disprove every little thing you say. It's tiring. You didn't bother to check the facts

Did you realize the antenna for GPS is wrapped in a black plastic covering!?!? Wow! Even more signal foliage!!!! - if what you said had any substantiated proof.

http://www.androidcentral.com/samsungs-galaxy-s-sales-top-300000-south-korea
[Vibrant General] MV10:
Wow, you folks have way too much spare time.
[Vibrant General] larryccf:
earlier you asked where i'd seen your posts that were reversed perspective - and i gave you two, and havent seen any refutation there

i ask you how the korean release date has any bearing here and your response is apparently that i'm just wrong, and you know it and aren't going to bother proving it???

and i'll bet your logic isn't emotion based either

again, the 4 other posters must not be as smart as you, and i must be dumb as a bag of bricks, not being able to "divine" facts as you obviously can

heygirl, obviously when you're wrong, you just dig the hole deeper,

well, my nurse just told me, Gerber's peas and carrots are on the menu tonite, they're my favorite - got to go
[Vibrant General] heygrl:
You can't teach an old dog new tricks. Until you can grasp the concept of different we have nothing further to discuss
[Vibrant General] larryccf:
alright now, take a deep breath, and if you look around real real slowly, maybe no one will notice

but i just went back to see those responses i think you're saying are there, uhhhh don't see them and my vision was good enough to pass my last pilot's medical, sooo i've got to wonder - are you off your meds today??
[Vibrant General] Mark271:
Why are people so concerned with medicare being cut off? We will have less of these around.
[Vibrant General] XfooYen:
It makes me weary when the people who "don't care about the GPS that much" are the ones who tend to stick around in this topic. Did you notice it's a thread devoted to those who are fed up with the GPS? If it really doesn't affect your every day Vibrant experience and you're happy with your phone, why must you hang here and argue your point? Go post in the "I love my Vibrant" thread.

I asked today and could not get an extension on my remorse period. I was 25 days into my allotted 30. No matter though. I doubt a proper solution will arrive in the next thirty days and would rather wait for it with my money in hand. That said, I received a full refund on the phone and case with no restocking fee and a returned upgrade status. I'll miss the Vibrant, but since I used GPS and compass so much for work and weekly hikes, I really couldn't stand Its critical flaw. I do recommend returning the phone if this issue irks you as much as it did me. That is the best way to send a clear message to Samsung. My hopes are for a better and more Vibrant future.