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[Windows Phone 7 General] eknutson:
I'm sorry to continue this thread off-topic, but Fermat you sound like my ex-wife: "***** ***** ***** ***** *****, but I love WP7. Hey, I'm the lover here, not you."

Seriously, I see your post count and I swear I've read every one of your 100-something posts and they all read the same. Someone starts by discussing an aspect of WP7 and you go off and start talking about how android is perfect here, perfect there, perfect in all ways. It's like a religion with you where you believe there's only one path to truth, when in fact the rest of the world doesn't suffer anywhere near the degree you claim it does.

Several people have asked you in many threads why you bother reading these forums - your answer is never truthful. It's because you want to argue, nothing more, nothing less. I find very little of value in your posts. If WP7 gets under your skin you must like being unhappy because you are always here. There are forums much better suited to your tastes. You aren't 'myth busting' your argument invoking. "Look at me, I know THE truth, and the rest of you are fanboys."

From Wikipedia, here's the definition of an "Apple Evangelist" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_evangelist):

So what exactly from android is it that you feel sucks so bad that you need to evangelize the OS and get others to add for you? Or is it that you can only feel comfortable in your opinion if others tell you that you are right?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Fermat:
I don't care about Android. I'd much prefer using something made by Microsoft. You need to realize that there are people who want WP7 but not as long as there are those pointless limitations.

As much as I prefer using stuff made by Microsoft, I'm not blindly buying stuff made by a certain company, like you fanboys. If WP7 were competitive, I'd definitely prefer it over Android, but it isn't.

But the fact of the matter is that they could easily make it competitive. However, blindly defending it against critics won't help.

You're the people who can't think clearly and rationally. Your irrational defending of everything that sucks about WP7 is what will hold WP7 back and prevent it from becoming an alternative to Android.

You're exactly like the Apple fanboys, seeking for excuses for all the shortcomings in WP7, like the Apple fanboys tried to defend the iPhone against people who pointed out the shortcomings in the iPhone OS.

As long as the iPhone didn't have the features, they claimed nobody would need them or found ridiculous "reasons" why the lack of those features was somehow a good thing.

Every time the iPhone got one of those features, they were happy.

You're exactly like them.

And if you label the rationally thinking people in here as 'Android fanboys', I'm sorry but you're really stupid.

And I don't think an Android fanboy would skin Android to look like WP7... seriously.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
May I just point one thing:

Apparently WP7 is the attempt to get millions of customers

and recover the lost ground in the smartphone area.

Comparisons are one of the main things this NEW OS has to fight.

Comparisons are the main way of judging things today, because apparently

iOS has it's market since 3 over years and Android I don't remember exactly, 2 years?

So future WP7 customers are those who would also buy Android, I think iPhone users/lovers are less open to switch.

So it's time for Microsoft to win these comparisons hands down, not to answer

in "piss off you Android fanboy" manner.

Consider, I use WM for over 2 years and I was happy since the day one after I switched from my favourite UIQSymbian.

And NOW, after seeing the situation, I would love to use WP7 but I strongly consider Android since I KNOW the scenarios where WP7 will fail.

Isn't that significant in some way? I think it's NOT desired effect in any way.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Fermat:
Yeah it's funny how WP7 fanboys are surprised that Android gets mentioned (even on a thread that has Android in the title, lol).

Sadly Android is the only OS today that's there for comparison, the others are hardly relevant anymore. Android is the OS WP7 will have to compete with for new customers.

You just can't avoid it. Not everyone is blindly following one OS, there are people who compare, too.

And there are things WP7 has to do better if it wants to win those comparisons.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
There's a difference between comparing Android to WP7 and fawning over it like some of you have been.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Fermat:
The difference is in your definition of 'fawning over it'. I could just say 'no multitasking sucks', but why not mention an example of how it's done right?

Just because some fanboys don't want to read about Android?

I could also mention webOS instead of Android for multitasking, but why?

Just because some fanboys can't deal with competition?

People will always compare, unless they're blinded fanboys. You can't escape it, so deal with it. It's not my fault that there's only one OS that WP7 has to compare to.

I'd prefer more competition, but unfortunately, there isn't. On the other hand, I wouldn't want Android to be a worse OS just because others can't keep up.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
I keep telling you all, WebOS is not to be forgotten. If it had a bunch of devices it would be a serious competitor. Google has even noticed this.

Also I like WP7, but the "start" screen is holding me back. That thing sucks. Cheesy animations, and I have to yes have to swype or press a button to get to the information I want.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tom Servo:
All this pants ****ting over **** that's already being said it's going to be delivered "soon". Whether "soon" is soon or Valve-time, who knows, but at least you're being told that you're ****ing holy features are coming. Unlike Apple, who's smug enough to claim that **** ain't necessary and suddenly implement it anyway.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
So why have a big "coming soon" sign over a OS that isn't even out yet?

You're basically telling me that you forgot to add this in. because its nothing new.

Its like having 3d glasses but no 3d movies.

Oh yeah, 3d movies coming soon, but enjoy these glasses for the time being.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
Please, by all means compare WP7 to other OSes. But in order to do that you have to actually compare them. Simply saying how awesome Android is does not accomplish that.

Who knows how long it will be til they get the 'missing' stuff? Da_G has said that they're already working on 7.1 which supposedly includes at least c&p.

If they don't stop adding new features, they'll never have anything to release. With any sort of software development, you have to pick and choose what makes it and what doesn't. At least Microsoft is open and honest with their "coming soon" whereas the competitors (yes, Google included) keep it secret til it's released.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
It's not just you.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Fermat:
Sorry, Rusty, but we were talking about multitasking and sideloading and such stuff and Android is a perfect example of how this is done right - which means there's no way around stating "how awesome Android is" (your words!).

Talk with me about gaming or design and things will be different.
[Windows Phone 7 General] paperclips:
If some of you think that Windows Phone can't offer advantages in marketing you're not thinking this through clearly. They can market themselves as having the best online gaming community, the best office suite, or they can try to advertise Zune Pass. Sure, Android can be marketed with having multitasking, flash, or widgets but the value of these advantages are coming down to the consumers. Xbox Live alone will probably get a lot of gamers interested who already have Xbox Live and a smartphone. I'm interested because the advantages it already has, the updates that are already being worked on, and the UI design.

On Android, I usually have to swype to a different page to see what I want because my Pandora, Clock, Facebook, Twitter, Power Control, Google Search, and contacts widgets can't all fit on one page.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Fermat:
Now this is getting interesting. Finally!

I already thought you guys would never stop defending the shortcomings and actually talk about the good things.

Gaming is big and I was actually surprised when I found out how many people care about games on their phones.

I personally prefer the good old SNES games, which may or may not become available on WP7.

This will definitely help WP7.

I don't think this can make up for the lack of multitasking and file system access, but that's my opinion, which is influenced by the very bad experience I had with the iPhone (things like not being able to download a .pdf to read it later, because of the lack of file system access, etc.).

I actually went back from the iPhone to Windows Mobile because of those annoyances, caused by the stupid restrictions (namely the lack of file system access and multitasking). And clearly, those things annoy normal users just as much as power users.

But we're through this already, so... why should someone who doesn't care about games choose WP7?

Well, you can fit a lot more onto one screen than on WP7. Just look at my screenshots. I've got the weather, the calendar, SMS, Mail, Facebook, Twitter, music controls and some shortcuts, all on one screen.

And not only the unread counts, but the full text, scrollable.

But then again, Android doesn't look that simple and clean out of the box (though I hear from quite a few people who don't like the WP7 design and of course, "Gingerbread" isn't far away).

I like having as much information as possible directly on the homescreen, but I also like clean design. WP7 is the right compromise, I think (but I also don't mind having even more information, like with Android).
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Tweetdeck combines all your social networking needs in one place.

So now you can put everything on one home screen, weather, news, tweetdeck etc...

They won't market zune because its dead. This will probably change when the zuneHD2 comes out.
[Windows Phone 7 General] paperclips:
Aesthetics are a big deal to me. The sense widgets I usually use like friends stream are very informative, but I think they're quite ugly. Scrollable widgets like friend stream require a swyping motion to view more status updates. Live tiles have the possibility to create some of the effects that widgets have such as weather, time, date, alarm and calendar appointments. Im the kind of person that hates clutter on my homescreens, so I tend to have an empty row or two on every page on android. I'm also pretty sure there will be some type of jailbreak for windows phone to satisfy all of you who need to have multitasking,sideloading, etc...
[Windows Phone 7 General] fuinhu:
I just dont understand how people can argue on a thing based on videos, or reviews or emulators...

C'mon, stop being "fanboys"... i've used Symbian(6600 > N95), WM(P3300 > SE X1), Android (Magic > Desire), WebOS (Palm Pre), and iOS (iPhone 3G), and i never said anything just related on other people opinion.

What i can tell you is, for me Android is at the moment the best mobile experience, then iOS, then WebOS (sad, that there arent developers :( ), then WM, then Symbian...

When WP7 will arrive, i'll try to get a sample and then i will post in this thread my experience.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
Some of us have used it on a real device.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gom99:
You should try reading the pages before you derailed the topic. The topic isn't what Android has that wp7 doesn't. It's the other way around.

No one is really defending shortcomings...you just like to harp on them. The shortcomings are well noted by Microsoft and said to be in the works, but not for release. I don't see why you need to feel to bring them up in virtually every thread you post in.

The only shortcomings you've mentioned that won't have an MS fix for all users are:

-Sideloading will be for developers only

-File system access doesn't look to be in MS's plan

For those you'll have to depend on people to hack. I'd be surprised if there isn't something like root/jailbreak worked out before the year is up.
[Windows Phone 7 General] paperclips:
Some of us have gotten to use, or have devices by being a developer for the platform. Besides using a device, I've owned a zune hd which provides a decently similar experience. It's also the same way that some android fans brag about what gingerbread is bringing even though there aren't any screenshots or videos on it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Fermat:
@gom99

Maybe YOU should read the thread.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ustudio:
wp7

My current phone is the hd2, I was gonna get all he above, iphone, or android but, technically the hd2 was the best phone. The only problem was its os. Namely mobile 6.5, If , and from what i can see, the wp7 os is fast, and functions properly, it isnt a matter of if, but when it takes over, if all is true for wp7, namely os is what the clam it is, and hardware specs is what they clam it is, then its already a better phone. What left is apps. Don't know alot about silverlight, except its potential, the visual studio the same applies, but at the end of the day it c programming language i believe, seem like it wont be that hard to write some of the apple apps for win. I dont know the difference between c that apple uses and the c that wp7 uses but seem like it will be similar enough to make writing for it cross platform very easy. Let also not forget adobe, right now you can make a app in apple using just flash there was even before this new version came out, apps on the apple store that was made in flash, and the other flash tools, i forget what they're called right now but there was apps out that was made totally in flash, while the program was just in beta, however apple took them down. And wp7 will come with flash out the box and they hopefully ms wont be adobe haters so if adobe make its technology compatible the wp7. the its over for apples dominance, cause even im good with flash.
[Windows Phone 7 General] etismyname:
taking about gaming. I don't have a xbox 360, I don't have a live account, that thing doesn't do much except checking out the achievements..

My very first experience with windows mobile is a X1, running on WP6.1 and I was hugely disappointed.

The only positive point was the microsoft office that it had, it was extremely useful, the only thing that I lack on my android phone right now is this.

Seeing the big changes in Windows 7, it's just not for me. It looks good when it enlarge the contact photos but what if it was a low res photo?

the only thing I like is that zune player but I doubt it can play .flac and other high quality music formats.

and currently, I think android is going to have an advantage in terms of apps.

Also the live animated wallpaper is just damn awesome for more customization.

open source and we now have CyanogenMod's support.

please don't flame me as a fanboy through. Just that the zune interface to be honest isn't that good for me.
[Windows Phone 7 General] paperclips:
1. Xbox Live is also an online gaming network so you can play against your friends. Integration with Windows Live gives you access to the 25GB skydrive.

2. If they have a low quality picture on Facebook for some reason, you can always just take a picture of them in person. Wither that or don't use a contact picture at all.

3. Zune player plays WMA which is a high quality format.

4. Apps, I don't know. Some of the apps and games are just ugly on Android. A lot of the app developers need to hire graphic designers to improve usability. WP7 looks to already have them bested in the games category as well. Live wallpapers generally slow my phone down especially when I try to use a Galaxy S wallpaper.

If you don't like the interface, thats your opinion and you shouldn't be flamed for it. just realize that most of your cons can be corrected.

On a side note, did anyone notice Joystiq confirm sideloading and Mac support?

http://www.joystiq.com/2010/08/18/preview-xbox-live-on-windows-phone-7-and-launch-games/
[Windows Phone 7 General] efjay:
Sideloading being referred to in the joystiq article is related to multimedia files since macs dont support the Zune software. No sideloading of applications.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Bengal34:
Xbox live also brings the gaming community. There's already an ecosystem o the 360 and to be able to code for the phone reusing the vast majority of the code would be a huge boost to the games in the marketplace. Also, Microsoft should be able to court larger game developers. At least over time, I really feel that WP7 will be a step ahead in mobile phone gaming.
[Windows Phone 7 General] richteralan:
let's get realistic about mobile gaming here...

how can you play games on a touchscreen phone?

the input method dictates what kind of game you can play.

Take the Electopia Demo for HD2 as an example. After the initial "wow" wears off, did you ask yourself does the control feels comfortable and responsive? and not blocking your view?

Same goes for all other action games like Archibald's Adventures, etc.

The only good games for touchscreen devices are puzzle games, games with very slow gameplay(Turn Based Games) and games don't require precise control(Tower Defense like).

Imagine how you gonna Gears of War on a touchscreen device? TonyHawk? PES? Madden? Even Racing games are extremely dumbed down without accel/brake.

Any gaming consoles(includes PC) have atleast one dedicated controller.

Then what do you think about developers to cope with the differences between touchscreen and dedicated controllers if they are developing cross-platform games?

Ok some will say "G-sensor/Webcam/GPS" based games. My points are still valid: They cannot provide fast and precise control.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gom99:
Some game types that do suite touch controls like:

-Adventure

-Puzzle

-Turn Based

-RTS

-Hack and Slash

-Simulation like Sim City, Sims, etc.

-Racing Games w/ Accelerometer

There's more to gaming than FPS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] richteralan:
Guess you didn't read my post? I think I know there's more than FPS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
^ yeah they look great at first.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Bengal34:
The interface will very well affect the type of games that will be suitable for the phone. The style of gaming won't be the same as a console but that's not to say that there aren't going to be good games for it. The developers just have to get creative with controls and game types and not just shoehorn regular games into a touch screen device.
[Windows Phone 7 General] blaiz123:
I agree with whoever said mobile games SUCK... Microsoft definitely needs to get creative and create a special edition phone with real analog sticks or something, otherwise it just won't be entertaining enough...
[Windows Phone 7 General] Pickx:
Yeah, touchscreen-only "gaming" is crap.

To play games you need at least a physical keyboard (if not actual gaming controls like in the TBA Sony-Ericsson PSP/phone hybrid)
[Windows Phone 7 General] richteralan:
The problem is NOT the interface.

The whole input is limited on the screen and unless you make a even bigger screen than HD2 and reserve part of it for virtual buttons, then how will the interface change anything?

Do you think HD2's LCD screen is on the big side? Even HD2's 4.3" screen is not quite enough for dedicated virtual buttons, then how can anyone do with a 3.7" (Desire)?

All these questions are not MS Bashing. I hate MS Bashing. But all these are practical and legit concerns about WP7. I certainly don't want WP7 to be another "geeks" phone/OS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Bengal34:
I meant the input controls, not interface. My apologies. The use of controls on the touch screen will affect the type of games available for the phones. Developers will just have to lean on the accelerometer more. Some games won't be too bad. I really enjoyed Project Gotham on the zuneHD. You steered by tilting the thing and it just had a brake in the lower left and gas in the lower right.

It's a legitamate concern but developers should be able to utilize the slide out keyboard if it's available and allow users to use it instead of the screen. Then if you're serious about gaming you'll be able to get a keyboard.

I'm really hoping that later they allow a fourth chasis spec. A landscape keyboard you slide halfway out to the left for the keys and to the right for a game pad. It's not something I'm banking on but it would be great to give the platform an edge.
[Windows Phone 7 General] blaiz123:
Dude... that fourth chasis spec concept is good stuff :D, if you're not banking on it, you seriously should, because I would buy a phone like that in a heart beat, no joke.

At least as long as the screen tilts like the TP2, the screen is 4.3 in+, and the UI is WP7. Genuinely a good concept mate. An even better way of going about doing this would be if the actual keyboard would slide down, and the game pad would appear on the left and right of the screen by separation of the landscape physical keyboard while it's not in a slide down position. An analog stick on the left, and four action keys on the right. :D, I get carried away :P.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
I'm dumping this for a WP7 device when they launch. The android fanboy upthread is hilarious.

Android is a fragmented mess. I'll deal with a closed source os and walled garden market place any day if it means I get the os updates with critical/needed functionality in a timely manner.

Apple understands this, palm understands this, microsoft understands this. Android manufacturers don't. This phone will end up in the trash, just like the others.

I'm too laxy to ebay.

Android app guidelines are terrible, as well. I wish it prohibited third party multitasking, that was 75% of android apps wouldn't kill your battery from the background.

WM6 developers were completely different. They understood the importance of an Exit menu option that actually exits the application, and you didn't have to run a task manager to have a usable phone.

Also, proper exchange support will be hot, along with a decent way to sync media to the phone-and a good market place for music (doubletwist is terrible and zune pass> amazon mp3.

Android has too many shortcomings. I am very regretful I got this buggy device, tbqh...