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[Windows Phone 7 General] brummiesteven:
Oh come on!

Zune beats any type of music player on Android hands down, they haven't changed the music player since 1.5 and even then it was only a small update to allow fast scrolling. It looks ugly and doesn't perform very well, there's no equaliser etc.

WP7 Apps look much better than Apps on any other mobile device... not just Android. Microsoft have totally reinvented the app experience making the whole thing Panoramic instead of just 1 static screen with vertical scrolling. Apps on any other device now just feel outdated.

People and contact management is much better on WP7 with the ability to merge contacts on the phone. If on stock android and your Google Contact has a different name to the corresponding Facebook Contact, you're stuck with 2 contacts. Facebook Integration throughout the whole thing is much neater.

Live tiles look and feel a lot better than Android widgets.

The whole thing is a lot more snappy, responsive and faster.

The fact that all updates come from Microsoft at the same time regardless of the device or network is awesome.

Take off your Android tinted glasses, like I said, I'm no Android Hater I used it since the G1 was released but there are a LOT of things that WP7 does better.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ericc191:
When you spew crap like that, it only discredits you.

It's pathetically* by the way.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tomhierl:
Well, sorry, but those guys were clueless. Trying to "fight" Android without having any clue about it. That's indeed pathetic.

There are reasonable people with arguments, like brummiesteven above, but there are also those paranoid fanboys that "fight" an OS they don't even know anything about.

Sure. It does exactly the same, but it's on WP7, thus it must be better! :D

(by the way Zune has no equalizer)

A matter of taste...

Not at all... what about integration of networks other than Facebook (independent from Live)? What about a T9 dialer?

Again, a matter of taste... and widgets are much more useful.

No, it's bad.

Before an update can be released, all the manufacturers must be done with their testing on all their phones and carriers must be ready etc.

That's why updates on Android can and will be released faster, though not on all phones at the same time.

A bit, not a lot. And since you have to do so much more scrolling (because of all the wasted space) it should be!
[Windows Phone 7 General] IM0001:
There is no convincing you otherwise. Android is the best mobile OS there ever will be. Case closed.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tomhierl:
Sorry, I can't recommend WP7 to anyone in its current state.

Rest assured that there's no conspiracy. I've simply tried it and found that it's not yet ready.

I don't know why some people go crazy at anyone who says something bad about this OS, but those people will have to accept the fact that there are lots of bad things that can and will be said about it, until Microsoft gets its act together.

Right now, "wait and see" is the only reasonable approach to WP7.

In its current state, the OS is what the facts suggest: An unfinished, lacking and un-userfirendly product.

The question is whether Microsoft will be able to improve it fast enough and most importantly, whether they will hear the criticism and change their flawed policies.

If you want WP7 to get better, get over your paranoia and stop flaming the critics.

It's not like Microsoft will cancel the project because of criticism. If anything, they will improve WP7 and change their nonsensical policies because of it!

No, Android is the best mobile OS RIGHT NOW.

I don't know whether you can see the future, but I can't.

Case closed.
[Windows Phone 7 General] IM0001:
Yea... My future........ A........ HTC................. 7 PRO!!!!! OMG!?!?!

;)

Either way I have played with android as have many other here. I still remain on my TP2 with WM6.5 because it is customized and familiar. But at the end of the day in real life situations, though I could always use a nice Mass Storage option with the phone (Which will more than likely come about in due time) other features mentioned like a file manager though handy, are no longer of absolute importance to me and I am a tech in the IT field. I mainly need to get to pics (which WP7 can do) videos, (Same) and want to browse the web and read tweets, e-mail, and text. Out of the box WP7 does that flawlessly (with a free download of the Twitter app of course).

The main thing here and like you said is future upgrades. We ALL know that it will have a lot of features added in the not so distant future and many other probably hacked into it from XDA.

But unlike android as said before. All WP7 devices should get the update released all at the same time. Android has yet to do it anywhere near as streamlined and only time will tell if they ever will.

It is a 1.0 OS, android was nowhere near as polished and "working" out of the box on its 1.0 showing. (I remember all the threads and people owning a G1 saying it locked up and crashed a lot).

So either way. Nobody is forcing you to buy a WP7 device and we all know Android is GOOD now since its on pretty much every frickin thing. (And the push to put android on cheap devices with sub $30 plans and Sub $50 phones is pure awesome).

For now we know where we both stand. Please stop criticizing the critics of your criticism.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ericc191:
Source

This is a lot of speculation from a primarily Android based blog.
[Windows Phone 7 General] IM0001:
And Microsoft has already stated that a major update will be rolling out early next year. Plenty of time to get things polished and trained if need be.

Overall if the updates come less as often than on android BUT do cover all the devices once its released, How is Android better when only 1 or 2 devices get the update soon after its release with other still fairly new devices get left behind for weeks to months on end?

It will be an never ending battle here but either way it is going to be interesting to see the difference between OS'es and how they fair throughout the next year. Overall one thing can be said. It is good for the consumer to have options to choose from.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
Why people keep comparing it to 1.0 versions of other OS's, there is at least a few years of gap between 1.0 or something else and 1.0 of WP7. Did the world stop at Redmond for these few years?

It is not a valid excuse for something to be missing out of the core functionality of the device, especially in the competitive world we live in.

If you feel that this feature or that feature does not hinder the device, and you do not see a benefit of such missing feature than more power to you, I guess you made your choice on the looks of the device from outside, and it is more appealing to you.

With such mentality in mind MS will always be a follower and not the leader.

And as far as OS updates directly from MS, there is still speculation, and if it happens, it could prove disastrous too many users - at least in the case of Apple they have to deal with the same hardware to fix their lapses, MS will have to do that across multiple hardware platforms and carriers.
[Windows Phone 7 General] IM0001:
You keep thinking that Microsoft is never going to offer the features you wish in a later time or date. Still ANDROID does not have a File Manager in any release be default. The same exact thing can be said for a Windows Device currently. There is no way anyone is saying it will never have one ever.

There is a lot of speculation on WHY they did it, but again it IMO boils down to the fact that they wanted the least amount of hickups and screwups that could turn into problems from user error. If you lock it down, and make sure everything that is actually included in your device works like it should when it is released (AND YES it is a 1.0 release since it was a complete break away from the old WM 6.X versions, so I do consider it a 1.0 or maybe a 1.1 1.2 release, but it is still a clean slate).

Overall what it DOES DO now it does well. Android still cannot say that about everything it CAN do but doesn't do without either this, or that, or the need of some tweaks or whatnot. Again I am not saying it isn't a great device and like the iPhone it was easy enough to pick up for women with no tech background like to use it while it is also advanced enough for techies to get their hands dirty.

But I see WP7 as something New, Powerful, and different from all the rest. Microsoft has been on a roll with changes that are actually good and they listen to their public to decide which direction to go (not necessarily what to include or not, that still has to be a inside decision or else we would have had multitasking, file manager etc. There are other reasons). It has a TON of room to grow, devs seam to love it, every major review and even minor ones seam to enjoy getting their hands on it, it has the same potential to grow as android and it has a large company that does not like to loose behind it.

And as far as multiple hardware support. Microsoft has been doing that for years on the PC and also with Windows Mobile. The only difference this time is Microsoft gets to make the drivers for new hardware that may come out in time. Just because it is limited now means nothing except that they wanted all the devices to WORK and work well with what they had. WM6.5 has been at fault of this for years and Microsoft felt like finally fixing that problem themselves.

I fully expect MiniHDMI, higher res screens, all sorts of gizmo's and gadgets, 3D, ect to come to WP7. It will just take a little time. Give it a year to really mature and we will really see where all three OS'es stand. Heck even WebOS will probably be in on the fight with a loyal fanbase and actually good software as long as the hardware picks up.
[Windows Phone 7 General] brummiesteven:
I don't think anyone can say Android's way is better, even the hardcore fanboys.

The Xperia X10 is only Just getting an update from 1.6 to 2.1

2.1 was released in January

That's a 10 month wait :eek: and it's not even an upgrade to the latest.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
No it isn't my thinking. My thinking is that when MS comes up with all missing features there are now, the competition will be way ahead again, for instance with augmented reality apps, etc. They will always play catchup.

I have a file manager on my Vibrant from the second I got it in my hands fully powered on, I have no idea what is your pitch here.

And I am not saying it won't have this or that, it will but again late to game.
[Windows Phone 7 General] brummiesteven:
I think his point is that there is no file manager in the Android OS by default.

The one on your Vibrant is probably added into the system by Samsung as part of Touchwhizz.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
Ah ok, it is only a market download for ASTRO :D

M point was the ability is already there, whereas WP7 has no ability at the moment at all.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
You people are such back-tracking hypocrites.

Disgusting.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
Cry me a river, H8ter
[Windows Phone 7 General] empolla:
-Correct me if I'm wrong but android doesn't have a desktop application such as zune and itunes.

-Correct me if I'm wrong but android doesn't offer wireless sync or 25gigs of online storage.

-Correct me if I'm wrong but android doesn't have a FM tuner in every or any phone like WP7.

just those i mentioned are core on every phone from the start and to the end.

MS has features that the other phones will never get. And they have announced when the features that other phones have will come.

So all will come

Meanwhile Dell has dropped RIM as their companies choice for phone service and is going to give all 25,000 employees Dell Venue Pros. And they're going to try to convince other companies to do the same.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ericc191:
I want that Venue Pro so bad.. :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] roymontante77:
Well me personally like both OS's. I have a HD2 and have been running android on it for the last 3-4 months. Don't get me wrong I like Wm... I hope to even try it on my HD2 soon. But the apps on android.. not necessarily just the Google market place .. the possibilities just seem endless.. but I'm very happy with being able to have the best of both worlds on one phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
1. Drag and drop - no iTunes and Zune running on my Ubuntu PC for a good measure too.

2. I have my own pr0n storage + dropbox is more than enough, and sync's wirelessly, and available on multiple software platforms.

3. FM tuner is hardware related and not software - some phones have it some don't - it is like pointing finger at you and stating that front-facing camera is acore functionality LOL

I don't doubt all the other goodies that WP7 promises will come, but it will come later, and later is the keyword, world is not going to wait for MS to catchup, can you grasp that?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kali Mantan:
I correct you because you are wrong ;)

Droid can use any desktop client you like, just mount USB storage, for example Windows Media Player. :)

Not limited to Zune or iTunes, better than WP7.

Wireless sync is the same. Choose any client (Skydrive, Dropbox, Amazon, Google Docs...).

And you can sync what you like! Not only music like WP7.

Android also has phones with FM.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Playing with the new LG Chocolate , and minus the games and UI, I can't tell the difference between WP7 and this dumbphone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] efjay:
Dont forget Home Depot: http://wmpoweruser.com/microsoft-continues-windows-phone-7-business-push-brings-home-depot-along/

Seems WP7's lack of features like a file manager doesnt lessen its appeal as much as some would have us believe.
[Windows Phone 7 General] empolla:
1. The vast majority of people would prefer a desktop client such as zune or itunes. Also you get better features like the zune pass. But if you have Linux i concede.

2. Wireless sync is something that the core os allows there is no need to download any third party software which in the end most people won't do.

3. FM tuner is apart of all WP7 because that is a requirement. If that's important to you it's just one less thing you have to worry about when choosing a WP7 device.

I don't doubt the features of android are good for some but many of the features people claim to be important such as C&P are an update away on WP7. But many of the features that WP7 has are features that android will never have such as MS office, xbox live, and zune. There might be 3rd party software that tries to emulate some of the functionality on android but they're all lesser solutions that are not built into the core os. In other words they won't be as seamless or as good as the core solution on WP7.

Just because it can use any any desktop clients doesn't make it better. I have a pre so I would know. Zune and Itunes are better than the android solution for a lot of reasons. A couple being is that they are official from the people who make the OS. Updates will come through the zune software and small updates will be OTA. Then there is the zune software being better than itunes and most others.

Wireless sync is something most won't use on android because it would just confuse people. Some 3rd party software could probably do it some can't.

Oh and I suppose you can say you corrected me but you didn't. Take a look at the 4th sentence in my first post. It goes on to say CORE as in comes from the people who make the OS. Built into the os. Something that's comes from google. All those you listed come from 3rd parties. All those I listed come from MS or are a requirement to build WP7 phones.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
1. There is Doubletwist as an option to use it, well yeah I need to have a Windows OS or Mac OS to install it, hence the doubletwist LOL, for now I will just plug my Android into my PC and drag and drop files - you still need to install Zune on your PC don't you, MS was nice enough to have it pre-installed on your phone huge win!

2. You still need to sign up with the service, correct (I'm not sure how it is done, do you just sign-up initially with MS live ID?). For me it was go to drobox.com sign-up, get an app on Android market, set. For you it might be, go to whatever "cloud" service MS offers, sign-up, and you are set (so you just skip downloading the app because MS was nice enough to loaded on your phone - another huge win!)

3. FM is a part on some hardware for Android, some models offer it, some don't - I do not see a need for it, but some want to listen to FM radio utilizing the built-in tuner. Core functionality???

So all MS offers is have these services already pre-installed for you, all you need to do is to have a Windows PC so that you can use Zune to actually utilize your phone as a multimedia device, and MS Live ID to have.

Since WP7 is a winner, I am gonna go with my Android, fire-up subsonic so I can listen to anything I want to listen to, while reading the news online; maybe some pig shooting while doing that as well; got a txt message not gonna interrupt my playing; get an APK from an XDA devs, and just "adb install" it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] empolla:
I would reply to the rest but we would just go back and forth and so on and I just don't feel like doing it.

But on this part quoted I can do the exact same thing on my palm pre. More easily while being more beautiful doing it because of the multitasking. The webos community rivals the android community when it comes to tinkering with the phone. Point is I'm doing it now while playing better games on my pre. I'm not going to miss it when I go WP7.

Rereading it WP7 can do all of that except the side loading. Yeah...

it won't be missed.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
WebOS is great, the devices suck though. I'd pick WebOS over every OS if the devices didn't suck.

No one can win these arguments because at the end of the day we all win.
[Windows Phone 7 General] brummiesteven:
This is what bothers me about people like you, you obviously haven't used the device. Why? I can do the exact same thing, Listen to anything I want to listen to in Zune while reading the news online, maybe even shoot some dogs in earthworm jum, a text message wont interrupt my playing.

I can do Sideloading to an extent because I'm a developer, and infact I like the fact that other people can't, the amount of stuff I used to pirate on my Desire as unbelievable.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Spybreak:
lol.

cool story bro.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
I just stated my use of my phone, why is it bothering you???

I cannot use that device for a single reason I do not run MS Windows on my PC's and will never do, everyone's use differs, original discussion was why wp7 over android, wasn't it :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] brummiesteven:
Nevermind, I read your post wrong. I thought you was claiming that Windows Phone couldn't do what you said you do on your Android Device. My Apologies.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
No problem :) we cool :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] ericc191:
Sideloading apps definitely is a bad thing for developers of Android. I think that's why a lot of focus is being shifted to WP7 for development in a recent poll of 500 people.
[Windows Phone 7 General] brummiesteven:
Sites like Blackdroid have been online for months if not years and they have a wealth of APKs of paid apps.

It might not make an effect on small developers so much but it's evident it's putting off the big ones it's why imo there's no real big games for Android... Games like Street Fighter ETC. Fifa was made and taken off the market later on.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lqaddict:
I am not here to steal apps, I support the devs that come up with good apps for Android, some are easier with adb install, like an updated Youtube app that enables HQ streaming by default, but not available via the market for general public download.
[Windows Phone 7 General] brummiesteven:
Ohh, I was in no way implying that you stole apps.

I agree, I've had android since the G1 Release and upgraded to the Desire when that came out, Installing apps via ADB is MUCH Simpler than via the market or transfering APKs to the device.

The point I made was simply about piracy and how, for developers anyway, no sideloading can be a good thing.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Ogner:
There is a clip from a Digg nation show called "Kevin Rose's thoughts on Android".

Basically he broke his iPhone3GS. This was back in the spring. He decided to buy the Droid Incredible from Verizon (the CDMA version of what we call the HTC Desire).

Anyway he says that if he'd never had a iPhone he would like the Droid. Then he says the problem with Android is "the apps suck ass". He mentions that when he taps something on the screen it like opens the wrong thing. I remember John Gruber saying how jerky scrolling on Android was compared to iPhone and Windows Phone.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FJ_-Zw9fyw

The real problem with Android is that Google are using it as a placeholder. They are not really serious about it. Just like Microsoft used to be with Windows Mobile and Nokia with Symbian and Palm with Palm OS. They are failing to invest in the OS and the platform. Just take a look at the dreadful state of the Android Market. Very like quality there. Full of crappy apps, website shortcuts and IP violations.

Big ISVs and game developers are not putting money into it. They know how much piracy and how difficult it is to sell apps with Google checkout.

Google have created a Frankenstein developer environment. They took a hobbyist implementation of Java (Apache Eclipse) took some stuff out and added some extensions. They should have licensed Java ME from Sun. Or created a C/C++ SDK that was well designed.

They just forked Linux and added their own extensions and spyware/adware code into the OS.

The point is that Android is totally inferior to iOS.

And as an HD7 owner for 15 days I have to say that I enjoy using it alot more than I ever did my HTC Desire.

I really thought the Windows Phone OS would be full of bugs. But I have yet to find anything major.

I know some people are waiting for the features to come. But the thing I would like to see from Microsoft is the NDK.

Silverlight makes apps easy to create that look great. But I want to see C/C++/C# apps because although it will take alot more effort the apps can run much faster and be more powerful. At the moment only the likes of Microsoft, Adobe etc have access to these tools.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Ogner:
I also want to slag off the f-ing menu button on Android Phones. WTF. OK it means less chrome on the screen in each app, but it means that the options and settings in each app are hidden away. Only the geeks like us will uncover these functions.

The other problem is that Android was originally conceived as a Blackberry or Nokia E series clone with the keyboard on the front. Don't believe me.

Watch Steve Horowitz play with the ARM prototype built by Texas Instruments I believe:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_avwGFsv60U
[Windows Phone 7 General] ericc191:
My problem with this argument is that I don't really care if Google copied another OS or not. I like Android and it works well. That said, I'll still be getting a WP7 device, but also a Nexus Two if one is released.