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[Vibrant General] dmolition:
I am thinking about returning this phone.

A major point of my android phones is the GPS I came to love it and see it as a major point in my phone since I do not like taking a GPS in my pocket all the time.

But today this issue almost cost me my life. It lost my connection and told me to go in an one way street with incoming traffic!!!!!!!!

Samsung needs to fix this issue FAST!!!

Or it can lead into serious problems like it almost happened to me.
[Vibrant General] XfooYen:
+1

Android smartphones have three basic functions. They are a communication device, a multimedia device, and a navigation device. The Vibrant is completely broken as a navigation device. That's more than a bug. If anyone wants to trust that Samsung is going to fix this thing properly, go ahead and risk your money. We don't even know that these problems can be fixed through firmware. I think Samsung's position of avoidance is appalling. My buyers remorse period ends in a week. Vibrant is going bye-bye until it gets fixed. Shame on me for jumping to buy new hardware on launch day.
[Vibrant General] heygrl:
The GPS is buggy, sometimes it works, sometimes its working for certain people, sometimes it takes no time to get a fix, sometimes it's not working at all - all of this inconsistency in operation qualifies as "buggy".
[Vibrant General] tariqgibran:
Evidence suggest that this issue cannot be put down to the "first generation product" defense. Samsung had the exact same issue with an earlier Galaxy exactly one year ago! In fact, the stated cause of the problem was the exact same as the one with the Galaxy S - non standard readout from the hardware! They promised a fix and, from what I can tell, the fix never fully solved the Compass issue. So, how could Samsung make the exact same mistake with this supposed first generation product? How could they not be extremely sensitive to any potential issue in this area given recent history? Probable answer: They are using the exact same hardware for the compass. All of this points to a poor chance that this issue will be fully resolved and does not speak well of Samsung.

http://www.wikitude.org/enupdate-samsung-galaxy-3#comments

http://androidforums.com/samsung-i7500/9400-galaxy-compass-broken-just-bad-sw.html
[Vibrant General] jmacapili:
My phone froze three times while using the nav app yesterday, going from LA to Camarillo. Going back, we used my wife's Nokia Nuron's Ovi nav, quick sat lock and no issues (even instructed me to observe the speed limit).

Seriously considering returning this crippled phone. So disappointed.
[Vibrant General] down8:
Even with perfect reception, you can get this behavior. It has happened to me before, and I'm less than 2hrs from Google HQ.

Separately:

It is naive to call this a 1st Gen product. By definition, this is Android 2.1, and this isn't Sammy's first Android phone.

-bZj
[Vibrant General] boodies:
Just give it some time. Samsung told us they are working on the fix and I take it they really are. It's just the nature of the beast, no smart phone is perfect. Go to the droid forum, go to the iphone forum, different phones have different issues, be it reception, force closes, camera not working, etc... Stop whining and be patient.
[Vibrant General] smashpunks:
+1, be patient.... it'll come.. froyo on this and a fix will be a dream..
[Vibrant General] raduque:
If you expect this, you might just be a douchebag.

I only expect them to re-cook my steak and get it right. Now, if I have to have it re-cooked several times, then I might expect a refund, or extra compensation.
[Vibrant General] larryccf:
this debate is starting to break down into two camps - one camp that wants to have faith in sammy to fix the phones problems, with no empirical evidence they will or can (and the latter is my concern) vs the 2nd camp, operating on common sense and reasonable expectations

if you go back to the galaxy i7500, as someone else posted, it was released with a bad compass and still hasn't been fixed. Even if you can excuse that, how do you excuse sammy from repeating that mistake on the i9000 generation, ie repeating their same mistake - i would think they would have at least fixed it in introducing the i9000

some have termed this a "bug" to be expected on a 1st gen device, inspite of the fact that it isn't a 1st gen device, and inspite of the core functionality GPS plays in the android system

Personally, i'll take my refund ($528) and wait a month or two to see what else comes out and / or if sammy does pull a rabbit out of it's hat

another poster in the GPS poll thread over in the i9000 forum, posted some interesting info re using a GPS signal repeater - i am starting to really believe sammy needs Merlin the magician's abilities on this one

i was really hoping i could see some reason to believe sammy could fix this issue, but have grown more to accepting that sammy was just racing to deliver this product to market, not to lose market share in "next gen" releases that were coming out - ie the iPhone 4G & the Droid X - the fact that they released here in the US market after knowing of the issues demonstrating in the asian market versions, (and that's assuming they were not aware of it before releasing it there), common sense tells me, get my coin back and let sammy try to recapture it, rather than vice versa
[Vibrant General] XfooYen:
+1 lol

You're not welcome in my restaurant...even after I tell the chef to pee on your steak.
[Vibrant General] Mark271:
T-Mobile and Samsung Tier 1s now have scripts to read when you call regarding this issue. They tell you they are working diligently to provide an update to fix our GPS issues. Many developers have already linked this to a firmware/software problem. Our GPS does work, they just do it inconsistently and not to their full potential.

You're not taking the common sense route, you're taking the pessimistic route. My GPS works, just poorly. But everything else on the phone works EXCELLENT (besides compass and battery indicator). Every other phone on the markets GPU, CPU, and screen work poorly compared to my phone.

I need a phone now, since school is coming up. The best phone on our market? Samsung Galaxy S.

If you can wait two months for this phone to be fixed, you might as well wait another 2-3 for a newer generation phone. Your logic is flawed, because you have way too much emotion behind it.

Even if they never update this phone and it ALWAYS remains the way it is, it is still the best phone out there overall. It is unfortunate there is a GPS problem, but they are WELL aware of it. All we can do is wait on it.In the mean time, I am okay with having a phone that everyone is jealous of that performs every task I need it to do, except GPS, perfectly.

The fact that there is a consistency problem in the product is more alarming than the fact our GPS doesn't work perfectly.(to me)
[Vibrant General] Bjd223:
Do you know how much it costs to re-cook a steak? A lot less then completely re-designing part/all of a multi-million dollar project.

They did what every company does, they weigh the cost of the fix/redesign at that time (this includes product delays to market if it is only a software fix) against how many complaints they think they will get + how this will impact sales if the 'problem' gets out. I am also sure they had more than a few product

focus groups that said that if they bought a phone and the compass didn't work that they would not return the device. Probably a small number said that they would return the phone if the GPS worked half-assed. Or maybe none did. If they knew about the issues they either 1) don't give a **** or 2) are working on fixes but had to get the products out to meet contractual obligatations. So they did the best they could in that time window.

If it is just a software fix then they will (probably) eventually fix it, If it is a hardware issue you better start crying now because they won't do a recall unless they get pressure from all the U.S. cell companies.
[Vibrant General] Mark271:
Considering the phone is being released to the four major ones in the U.S., they're ****ed. The issue will be fixed, by recall or firmware fix. I am sure T-Mobile is not happy about the numerous complaints they have received from the sounds of the Tier 1. If all their products have this defect, they are definitely going to get an ear full.
[Vibrant General] larryccf:
excuse me but i'm 61 years old, am in mfgring, and have intro'd way too many products to the market in another industry. While you're at school, see about improving your comprehension skills

your's is the response with emotion based logic (and faith) - i offered empirical evidence, ie sammy's failing to fix the i7500 compass and then using the same bad compass or compass firmware in the next gen phone (or actually a phone 2 gens removed as there was the i8500 before this i9000),

2nd, as well as common logical deduction & common sense which your assumption lacks - the most basic fact, every mfgr intro'ing a new product, before going into full production, runs a final evaluation program to ensure there are no glitches in product design - obviouslly if sammy had performed one, we would not have this thread.

even after having missed it in their preproduction eval program (assuming it was missed and not just ignored), they then, after becoming aware of it in the asian release, STILL release the US versions without correcting first. The all caps back there is not emotion, but for emphasis and trying to break thru your attention filters and preconceived knowledge and prejudice
[Vibrant General] bryon13:
I fully understand that they had contracts, and obligations. I also fully understand that they willingly shipped a broken product, expecting to make more money than they lose. That's all fine and well.

My problem is that they sold a broken product, KNOWING it was broken, then pretended the problem didn't exist. Had I known the compass and GPS were broken, I would not have spent $500 on the phone.

This isn't the first time they've shipped a broken GPS, either. This problem has been an issue in several of their products.

They claim they didn't know it had any issues, yet it's impossible to miss. They even tacked on a third party navigation app. I'm curious how they feel about their product being rendered useless?

So it's broken. So they knew. So they shipped anyway. So they figured only a small percentage cared about the GPS. Fine. Don't LIE to me about what this $500 phone can do. If it doesn't have GPS, that's fine, but don't tell me it does, even when you KNOW it doesn't. Save me the time and aggravation.

I'd like to thank Swype for all of my typos.
[Vibrant General] Mark271:
Using this logic, no product would ever have a thread about a common defect among it.

I am not even going to counter argue your points, sorry.

You told me to improve my comprehension skills, but you're not even writing correctly. How about about you improve your grammar, spelling, and overall understanding of the English language first. We can see about improving my comprehension skills after that.
[Vibrant General] larryccf:
you mis-characterize and mis-extend my statement to win the argument and convince yourself you're right - what i said about trying to improve your comprehension skills, double up on that one

i'm not writing a thesis, nor an employment resume here - i'm communicating on the web - not exactly sure how "bad grammar" invalidates my point or gives license to mis-characterize it or "mis-extend" it

in our earlier exchange where i opined that the GPS issue was not a bug, yada yada, your sole response was that you'd read that same response (mine) in another thread, so you weren't going to respond WITHOUT ADDRESSING what i'd said, and the points i made were valid, whether you want to admit them or not. if i've hurt your feelings by attacking your loved one, sammy, sorry dude, that's life

talking around a point, ignoring a point, and deflecting a point do not make a position tenable, they're just deflections

deflect the reality all you want, you're the one that will run into the brick wall using this GPS, waiting for sammy to make it right

you think the odds are good on that issue - fine, risk your own coin, but i'll take solid logic and common sense any day over "good grammar".

PS - whoops, had a typo there, wow glad i caught it, wouldn't want to invalidate my points over a typo
[Vibrant General] Mark271:
Continue to make vast generalizations in support for this thread while arguing with people over an internet forum.

Your post was already tore apart by the other forum and would be a waste of my time to respond to, since it was not valid i.e. why you are posting here and not there on it.

You act like we shouldn't have faith. Yet the whole reason you're irate over the ordeal is because you had faith that their product worked 100% flawlessly. Which is more wishful thinking than me assuming they're going to fix it via the world announcements and what they're telling technical supports all across the world and personal promises made to me and notated on my account and are accountable for via voice records.

Call me crazy.
[Vibrant General] Arr MiHardies:
Having had experience with samsung from my bluray player, the BD-P1200, I have 0 faith in Samsung. I swore I'd never buy another samsung product after that debacle, but they suckered me in with this awesome phone loaded with promises, that t-mobile removed half of, at a time in which I ready needed/wanted a new phone. I still love my vibrant, but it is missing a few key features I expected it to have after looking at the galaxy s site prior to launch.

That said, for those who don't know, the bluray player in question was, like the galaxy s, their flagship player at the time. A few months after purchase, BD+ copy protection was introduced. Most players got firmware updates to support this new format if not right away, at least within a few weeks. Fast forward 6 months later. I have a stack of 2 dozen movies I can't watch because my player won't handle them. I can't return them because they have been opened. I have personally been calling on a weekly basis for the past 5.5 months to report the issue, and, like the hundreds of other people filling the forums, every time I called Samsung would say that was the first they've heard of the issue, and they couldn't explain why that was when I pointed out my numerous prior calls, and provided links to threads of hundreds of people with the same problem and experiences with their support. 3 months later, I had given up on them and bought a ps3 to watch my movies on. I kept up with info about the player since I still owned it, and samsung still hadn't owned up to the problem. Then I read they got hit with a class action lawsuit specifically about that player. You know what? The problem was fixed within a month of that report. All this goes to show is that samsung can not be expected to fix these problems unless forced to with legal action. At the time, that bluray player cost just as much as this phone does at full retail. If you choose to hold your breath waiting for samsung to fix this, then have a loved one let me know which funeral to send flowers to. Because I have 0 faith in Samsung going out of its way to fix this problem unless presented with legal action.

Myself, I'm outside the return period. And aside from the gps, I love the phone. At least some of the features t-mobile removed can be added back by rooting, like tethering, and maybe eventually fm radio. For now, I'll just keep my g1 tethered to my vibrant and use the gps in that when I need it.

Sent from my Vibrant using the XDA app.

Typos, incorrect words, gibberish, and other nonsense brought to you courtesy of Swype.
[Vibrant General] larryccf:
as to your first stmt above, actually quite the opposite, now i'm wondering how focus'd my comment about sharpening your comprehension skills were

faith is fine for churches and religion, on items like this, common sense, empirical observations and deductions are the smarter choice

and again, i'll say this real real slow for you to grasp - I HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING ABOUT IT SHOULD BE 100% FUNCTIONAL - read that and repeat it to yourself till it sinks in

but GPS functioning, commonly on a large percentage of the population of phones, on what appears to be an undecipherable and erratic basis, is not acceptable. GPS is core to the functionality of the android services -

GPS not working is worse than buying a new car in Texas or Las Vegas, and finding the air conditioning doesn't work, and it's a common problem - A/C not working severly limits the car's functionality in hot weather - i'd love to be there when the dealership's svc manager told you not to get upset, not to fault the mfgr, why it's a new gen car and some "bugs" are to be expected. I just know you'd be understanding (for the comprehension challenged, insert sarcasm there)
[Vibrant General] XfooYen:
larryccf makes a perfectly sound argument here and it seems that you are really going on blind faith. No one said the product should be "perfect". A buggy gps and compass is a broken gps and compass as the two technologies demand accuracy. It is now clear that these systems have been flawed in previous galaxy iterations and have yet to be fixed. Larrtccf is just using common sense and samsung's past track record to safely assume the issue may not be addressed to customers satisfaction any time soon. I don't know how it is that you so strongly believe Samsung is going to jump to fix this phone. I think you're just stuck with your purchase and wishful thinking makes you feel better. If you dare step into reality, you'll see that Samsung is TOTALLY ducking the subject in all their twitter, facebook, and forum posts. Larryccf (and myself) aren't into getting into flame wars but rather trying to keep misled consumers from making costly purchasing errors.
[Vibrant General] heygrl:
Are you aware of how cars even work? Can you drop this analogy? You can't make the connection.
[Vibrant General] Mark271:
I'm 3 days into a new 14 day trial. Keep generalizing everything, it should work out great.

So out of all of Samsung's products, which include more than their logo name, they have not properly addressed two, IN YOUR OPINION, so this makes them untrustworthy. Great logic.
[Vibrant General] XfooYen:
Thank you
[Vibrant General] Mark271:
Convince me this phone won't be fixed.
[Vibrant General] Arr MiHardies:
Try living in Las Vegas sometime without air conditioning in your car and see how you like it. Is it required for the car to function? No. neither is gps to a phone. But many applications can't live, or are severely crippled without it. Just like a driver could be hospitalized from heat exhaustion or dehydration in an un air conditioned car in a desert. The analogy is perfect. I guess it is something only us desert dwellers could understand.

Sent from my Vibrant using the XDA app.

Typos, incorrect words, gibberish, and other nonsense brought to you courtesy of Swype.
[Vibrant General] heygrl:
Maybe you missed it but I live in Vegas. I drive without the A/C on regularly regardless of the season.

If you missed it he clearly stated that "A/C that doesn't work limits the cars functionality" - NO it does not in the simplest of terms.
[Vibrant General] Mark271:
I also lived in Las Vegas, and we just rolled down the windows the majority of the time.
[Vibrant General] Arr MiHardies:
He may have not chosen the proper wording, but that doesn't make the analogy any less accurate.

Sent from my Vibrant using the XDA app.

Typos, incorrect words, gibberish, and other nonsense brought to you courtesy of Swype.
[Vibrant General] Mark271:
The analogy is accurate, but it doesn't support his view. Air conditioning is optimal, even in the hottest parts of the world. Just as GPS is optional, even in the most remote parts of the world.
[Vibrant General] Arr MiHardies:
And yes, I missed it. The xda app doesn't show that info.

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[Vibrant General] Arr MiHardies:
Samsung has a long track record of this kind of bs. Not just with phones, but with tvs, dvd payers, bluray and more. They make great quality products, but if something is discovered not to work, you'd better start praying to whatever gods you believe in that they fix it, because nothing short of divine intervention or legal action is likely to fix it.

Sent from my Vibrant using the XDA app.

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[Vibrant General] Mark271:
Either way, regardless of if Samsung fixes this or if a developer does, I trust this is a temporary problem because people with knowledge specifically of the device and how it works say so.
[Vibrant General] XfooYen:
I tried to. I will state again that these issues were found in previous Galaxy (1st gen) phones and never fully addressed to this day after over a full year. I'm not saying they definitely won't be fixed. I'm saying based on Samsung's past track record they may not be, and I'm not willing to risk over $500 to find out the hard way. Every review Samsung posts on Twitter and FB lacks any testing of the GPS and compass. Obviously they're not going to post bad reviews but it seems that they are clearly avoiding ALL mention of a problem that is plaguing over 60% of users (according to XDA i9000 poll). If you missed this post, click the links and see what happened with the first-gen Galaxy phones. It does seem that Samsung put the same borked compass hardware into our new Galaxy phones even though the issue was well known and never fully fixed.
[Vibrant General] XfooYen:
I wish I had your optimism but the truth is that no one really knows if the issue is firmware or hardware related. If either the GPS or compass turns out to be a hardware problem, it aint gonna be fixed by anyone. No way. No how.
[Vibrant General] Mark271:
It is not optimism, I am just not being a know it all, and trusting the word of people who made/mod this phone that know more about this phone than I do. I am new to Android and I love this phone REGARDLESS OF THE FLAWS, I am keeping it, the GPU, CPU, AND SCREEN are superior to anything out.
[Vibrant General] XfooYen:
I'm not being a "know-it-all" either as I clearly stated before. I do, however, advise against trusting the people that made this phone just because they know how to build it. Those people are SALESMEN first and foremost. They want you to keep the phone and will say anything. They're not in the business of spending money to fix things. They're in the business of selling what they have. I LOOOVE this phone too! The screen and CPU are a dream. If that's enough for you, great. Just be forewarned that the Vibrant might go months without a properly functioning nav system and may never actually be fixed. I guess we'll have to wait and see. I'll be interested to come back to this thread after Samsung declares they fixed it. My bets are unfortunately not with Sammy.
[Vibrant General] down8:
A 61yr old should have better punctuation & capitalization skills - don't bash on others if you can't even compose proper sentences. Your work (in this case, your typed words) represents you, and should be of the same quality as the information you intend to convey. I just left Toyota (on the mfg floor) - literally the benchmark for world-wide mfg - and even they have severe problems that make it out to production (as Congress showed quite openly).

Look around, sweetie - I wasn't whining. I'm holding onto my phone & hoping Samsung will make it right soon. That doesn't change that this IS NOT a 1st gen product - they missed something, and they are (hopefully) going to get it fixed soon.

-bZj