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[Windows Phone 7 General] rruffman:
you keep making the claim but have yet to give an example... wp7 current way of "multi task" vs andriod "multi task"

WP7:

1. App is running in the forderground

2. App is frozen in the RAM and only some threads are still running

3. App is frozen in the Flash memory and only some threads are still running

4. App is not running

Andriod

1. App is running in the foreground

2. App is frozen in the RAM and only some threads are still running

3. Just a portion of an app is running in the background as a service, the main app is deflated and residing in memory, or has been killed, leaving only the service.

4. App is not running, but is still in Memory in a deflated state until RAM runs out.

5. App is killed and not residing in memory. It may leave call to the OS to revive it periodically when conditions are met.

and here are a few examples people have explained how they use "multi task"

listen to my music

surf on the Internet,

check some addresses with Google Maps.

Also I use the camera.- wp7 possable

listening to music

open my twitter program

open a link from one of the twits

pause twitting to write a SMS - wp7 possable

The fact is there are very few areas where we do need "real multitasking", they are music+whatever and navigation+receiving a call/email. And of these, it is only navigation that seem not to be working as we all expect in first release of WP7 at least. Music, mail, phone are 1. party apps, and those will run in background when needed.

What people often think about when they say; "But I need multitasking"...they often just think about that they want to work in one app, then jump to another app, and then back to the first and continue where they left off...and that is something that is handeled by saving and loading of state. For us users...it will be as it was running in the background.

And then there are multitasking-scenario where you want for example to get notified when there is a new Twitter that mentions you, or when you airplane is delayed, and so forth...and that is also possible in WP7, if the developers use PushNotifications.

for now this is what most people really use as far as "multi task" goes...
[Windows Phone 7 General] makku12:
Honestly, WM 6/6.5 style multitasking would be instant death for WP7. People who are computer-retarded (the majority of people) wouldn't be able to use it properly. When the memory fills up, the phone simply "stops working" for them and it's time to get an iPhone.

This new system makes much more sense... yes, it's not the same, but it will work just fine in the long run.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Perfect example I use my phone for navigation. I'm driving and my friend wants to surf the net while I drive. My friend takes my phone and starts browsing the net. Navigation is still running in the background giving me voice guided directions. Can WP7 do this?

What about surf the net while on a skype call?

What about Pandora while playing a game?
[Windows Phone 7 General] rruffman:
as mentioned above in many post "with the exception of navigation" and not all people use pandora zune will do for current. and yes you are what most consider to be a more "advance user" however this is not the norm as most people use one app at a time.. so although its not giving you all that you are looking for at the current it will fufill 95% of the users and they way they use apps. and the most important thing is it will run alot smoother and better than android, wm 6.5, 6.1, rim... i will take this over a few things not being able to run in the background anyday!!!
[Windows Phone 7 General] crow26:
"Tombstoning" is nothing. Every OS can do that.

Multitasking means running applications in the background. On WP7, nothing is running at all = NO MULTITASKING.

= no navigation in the background

= no internet radio in the background

= no downloads in the background

= no skype in the backround

= no server in the background

= ...

Is that so hard to understand?! Are you somehow retarded or what's wrong with you?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Wunderwaffe:
Crow26, why do you have to be rude? Politeness never hurt anyone.

After I read the review on WM7 on GSMArena, I finally made up my mind: I will never downgrade to WM7, because it's what it actually is: a downgrade.

I use navigation a lot and, obviously, I receive calls while I drive. Is my HD2 the last phone with which I can do that? Is this the end of the line? :(

WM7 feels like another one of those OS for people who know nothing about computers (the majority). It is such a downgrade from WM6.5 in that sense...
[Windows Phone 7 General] rruffman:
i think you are the retard!!! whining like alittle kid because you cant have your navi running in the background ;( and if you know how to read its stated zune for music, and no navagation at the present even if it had gps background service there isnt even a gps app available at the present for wp7 idot...wp7 does allow for background service to update for any app tile 1st or 3rd jerk... and quiet as its kept you and do not make up the majority, ms is looking to sell to the majority and having a stable os and do not much care about your few conserns, stick with wm 6.5 its as simple as that... and stop complaining wp7 is not for you...
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
He's not retard. Multitasking is a great thing and what WP7 tombstoning does is just crippled implementation of any kind of memory of previous tasks, considering their stupid policies. If multitasking would be so useless, they would not make this back button. But reversing to app you used 5 or 10 apps before for instance, is a nightmare.

Saying it is THE SAME even BATTER that a real multitasking with a proper task manager is stupid. And nobody is forced to actually think of it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rruffman:
no one said multi task is not a good thing but for most people what is currently available in wp7 is enough as their examples of what they want to do is currently available. as for others you can do 1 of 3 things wait or stick with wm 6.5 and its unstableness or move on to another os.. its that simple.. no nedd to whine or talk about its gonna fail just because you want to play pandora in the background... the orignal poster was asking questions for a reason and would prefer people who can give him good answers to his questions. vers bashing the os cause its not to your likings... maybe the current way wp7s multi task works for him..
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
No quick select or task switcher list is a real nightmare! No caps lock, no tab button, arrows on the keyboard cant control the phone is another real nightmare.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rruffman:
the task switcher is a valid point wish they hurry up and make one of these or someone at xda... wp7 has caps lock simply press and hold the caps arrow.. arrows you are correct on, as far as the tab button not sure i ever seen one on a smartphone as i do not see onr on my tp2??
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Every phone can do it, including iphone and WP7. Get an incoming call, answer it, hit the back button and you're back in the navigation app. There's absolutely no problem with this, you'll get back to your position in no time if the application is done according to the OS guidelines.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Tab is on the original TP.

No Alt, Ctrl, Delete(not back space), and Phone buttons.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rruffman:
"No Alt, Ctrl, Delete" and why do you think these are needed in wp7???

Phone buttons???
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
why is Xbox Live needed? Why is a

A emoticon key needed?
[Windows Phone 7 General] rruffman:
what purpose do they serve?? if none then why have them like the tab key you mention on the tp which is not on the tp2 its serves as no purpose so thats why its not there anymore.. and i would say the same for the other you speak of alt not needed, same as ctrl del will not be needed as you can use the menu delete faster than finding it on your keyboard.. it seems you are one who has nothing ever good to say or offer help to peoples questions so why do you post here?? it obvious you are a andriod user so why not post your comments over there where you can be of help to someone. this is wp7 fourms forpeople who have questions they want answered as your negitive comments serves no purpose here...
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
And you are who exactly?

Pointing facts out is not being negative. You posting something towards someone and telling them to go somewhere is negative.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Wunderwaffe:
Please clarify: in WM6.5 the GPS never stops calculating your position and if, for eg., you run into a radar, the GPS will warn you of it. Does WM7 do the exact same thing or does it stop calculating your position and recalcultates it once you finish the call? Because it is not the same thing.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rruffman:
what he is saying is you get a call, you answer it hit back button to go back to your gps app (which currently there none for wp7 except bing) but if there was then your gps app would resync with sats as it is in the foreground and away you go.. don t need to have your call in foreground i would thik most would want their gps in the foregroung while talking on the phone... this is possable with wp7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Wunderwaffe:
So, in WM7, the GPS loses track of your position and needs to recalculate it, which of course, takes time. IMO, that pretty much sucks, since in WM6.5 the GPS never stops calculating your position in real time. No matter how you paint it, the lack of multitasking in WM7 is a downgrade.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Andrewtst:
I don't think full multitasking is a must. As long it still can playing song in backgrounds, push notifications work for sms, email and social apps.

And now No real gps app yet. I believe final out shall able did at least point continue count and temp pause but not terminated when incoming call.

As long as above run. I believe it is far enough.

Full multitasking is not really a must. It just slowing down things and eat resource.

I rather choose a stable and smooth OS than lagging and not stable OS which full multitasking like wm 6.5
[Windows Phone 7 General] Omega Ra:
agreed. I am fine with the current level of multi-tasking. Allow a few choice third party apps (pandora, slacker etc) would be good too, but so long as the music plays and webpages load and notifications come through I am fine. I totally agree that a smooth running OS with only a few things running in the background is preferable to Full multi-tasking and a slowing down of the phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
I can't say anything about how it'll work in WP7, but on the iPhone it takes zero time for all practical purposes (not more than a second). It's not cold start we're talking about. And no, this one second is after the app is killed and not running, and with GPS receiver off while you're doing something else.

It may be a problem somewhat, sometimes. But it's' not half as big of a deal as most people here describe it. If you use Pandora, that's a big deal. If you want to download torrents while doing something else, it is a big deal. If you want to use an alternative music player, it's a problem. If you don't care for any of these, than it's not a problem. Satnav just isn't necessarily any worse than with multitasking, but that depends on how positioning service is implemented in the OS and how apps deal with it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gom99:
Do phone calls even tombstone a running app? Wasn't it made to be some sort of overlay on top on applications?
[Windows Phone 7 General] blanket:
how about messenger and ie (or opera mobile, if it ever goes on at marketplace)?
[Windows Phone 7 General] tjhart85:
I don't have any intention of buying a WP7, but that comment was ridiculous. Since I can't see why this should be done, it's useless.

OK, While on my Vibrant, I'll be driving along using the GPS app to navigate me around and get a phone call. The app will continue working in the background giving me verbal directions even though I can't see the screen. VERY USEFUL!

I don't know about the people who plan on buying this, but I OFTEN do what I described above as well as have Sirius/Slacker playing as well (radio sucks and I like listening to new music that I don't have yet).

Not really trying to rip on WP7 here, but they've got powerful hardware requirements, but seem to be treating it like it's running on old/slow hardware.

Enjoy the walled garden. Your battery life will probably be spectacular and everything will be speedy, but you will be frustrated if you try to cross that line they drew in the sand.

EDIT: I wrote this on like page 2 of the comments. I've seen that most of what I said was addressed.

With that said, a decent compromise would be if WP7 would allow the end user a whitelist of a few apps (maybe 2-3), so the end user can whitelist Pandora or $GPS_App so that it will behave essentially like one of the core apps and will multitask. If they did that, I don't think nearly as many people would be as negative about it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rruffman:
i am sure its comming most likely sooner than we all think... maybe even at the first of the yesr.. it was alresdy in the emu so its not like its not available...
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
That's right, even file explorer was there.
[Windows Phone 7 General] altae:
Nice discussion whether multitasking is necessary or not. What really bothers me is the fact that Microsoft has chosen to tread along the same way that Apple has always trodden. Why do they decide whether I need full multitasking or not? Why don't they simply implement a switch to activate/ deactivate full multitasking? Maybe together with a warning for the average user that full multitasking can inflict performance negatively? What harm could be inflicted by such a solution? Wouldn't everybody be happy with this?
[Windows Phone 7 General] FireStorm3_16:
Windows Phone 7 disappointing

I am a long time Windows Mobile user and to see the new Windows Phone 7 was really disappointing. A lot of the functionality that was a given in WM devices are missing in the WP7 "is this an upgrade or downgrade". And those squares are awful. This is my opinion but I believe this is a step backwards for Microsoft on the mobile scene.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rruffman:
correct its your opinion and maybe some others but not for from what i can see and read a huge number of others.. everyone has their own style.. and just think ms has taken care of that also just use 6.5 instead.. wha other os has that to fall back on. its not like 6.5 is going away so why be concerned with their new os?
[Windows Phone 7 General] pimppoet:
yea huge downgrade imo....its funny that some people many accept it shortcomings because its "new" & the "modern design". I understand they wanna sell it the non-techy types but they didnt have to be a complete iphone clone especially when u have all this new hardware comin out. Thats like spending a couple thosuand to build a gaming pc only to play basic flash game. I hoping someone can port 6.5 to some of the new wp7 devices.
[Windows Phone 7 General] addicus:
I want a file explorer, bluetooth transfer, real time sat navigation (bing is fine with me as that's what I use now) and a DAMN PHONE BUTTON! Looking at the HD7 vs the HD2 the difference is the lack of phone buttons and the presence of a camera button. I like the camera button, but hate the lack of phone buttons.

Now I want the file explorer, bluetooth transfer and real time sat navigation because I use them - a lot. If there are viable alternatives available I am willing to try them.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Godo_PPL:
It's hard to believe microsoft will tread in the same shoes as apple, as someone suggests. I think following apples lead is the path to oblivion, and I am confident Microsoft knows that very good. Beating apple at a "similar" product is not possible! There are too many apple fanboys out there that is not going to jump ship unless they really see a much better product.

So it is easy too see the shortcomings of apple, and avoid them. Especially with android lovers (me included) pointing out flaws with a passion :)

Another point I want to make is the progress HTC has done with android, they have made changes to the feeling and usability of the OS to the point I do not believe they will make compromises on behalf of their customers just because of moving to a new platform..

Or I wish...
[Windows Phone 7 General] altae:
No, they don't? So tell me the difference between an Iphone and WP7. Apart from the fact that one comes from Apple and the other from Microsoft. And excluded the different optics that are somewhat logical.

-no apps sideloading

-no filesystem access

-no storage card support

-no copy/ paste from the beginning

-no multitasking

...

Does this not sound familiar to you? For me this sounds like an exact description of the Iphone which would not be bad itself because I will never buy an Iphone. The problem is, it matches Windows Phone 7 too :-(
[Windows Phone 7 General] sulphuricaciduk:
There will be third-party applications that can run in the background ("multi-tasking" is a silly term to use in regards to phones). Spotify, for instance, is apparently going to be able to do this.

Microsoft have said that if developers can justify the need for their application to run in the background then they will let them, which I believe is quite a sensible approach. Hopfully the likes of Skype will gather up the toys they threw out the pram and get involved.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rruffman:
turn by turn nav. app switching and c&p comming in jan!

well the list seems to be getting smaller on wp7..

turn by turn

fast app switching

and c&p

all headed in next updae in jan. most likely we will see apps stating to be able to run in the background as well, and "Multi tasking" is stated to be in the near future...

source -> http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/windows-phone-7-update-in-january-may-bring-turn-by-turn-gps
[Windows Phone 7 General] _Mr_E:
Well I use my phone as my main music player in my car, internet radio FTW. To have to close out of my music in order to check my GPS is a massive pain in the ass, especially while driving. Also not be able to leave Skype running also sucks. Those are the two biggest things that are leaving me on the fence. Also Google maps is better in almost every way: turn by turn, Toronto traffic/transit... I cannot wait to get rid of my devil iPhone, and contracts are nearing till a close... Being a .NET dev I am pretty biased towards wanting a WP7 for dev reasons but with the current state I am just not so sure. Thanks to being assraped in Canada I'll be stuck with this phone for the next three years. oh what to do...
[Windows Phone 7 General] blanket:
c'mon ms, let me use my own ringtone!
[Windows Phone 7 General] deadwrong03:
im beggin microsoft to add some kinda file explorer i dont even need access to the system files jus access to the sace on the microsd where i would download pictures, music, and other files from the web i like having a file explorer to save files and hide certain files on my phone
[Windows Phone 7 General] arturobandini:
Very naive question....

How do I import Word documents, pdf, pps, etc to my WP7 device ???

Zune doesn't support these files.

And the USB cable, which was a convenient and easy solution, won't help....
[Windows Phone 7 General] (nico):
You can send a mail to yourself :)

If you have SharePoint, you can do it through the Office hub too.
[Windows Phone 7 General] arturobandini:
Mmh... not very convenient. And I don't see myself emailing a 15MB powerpoint presentation for instance
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Yeah that's what we call "easy and helpful" regarding the platform..

What a shame. I should EMAIL to myself 100 .doc files while I sit next to the

PC and I could just PUT it on my phone through the cable?

Seriously, those MS designers are complete idiots or they have some sick policy.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tomhierl:
That's what iOS users have been doing for years... :D:D:D:D:D:D
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
:D Yeah.

The difference is 4 years ago iPhone had a very different competition...

I really think they destroyed the market and dumbed the devices.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tomhierl:
Yes, that's why they were successful despite all the issues. People had low expectations in 2007.

WP7 is a disaster.
[Windows Phone 7 General] The Gate Keeper:
use your skydrive... install Windows Live Mesh (comes as part of essentials 2011 which you can get through windows live), and set up the folders you want to sync to skydrive. from there, connect your windows phone over wifi, and get it to download all the skydrive files. And presto, it should be working.

Note, this is in theory, I am still waiting for my windows phone device to try this myself, but I don't see why this shouldn't work and shouldn't require you to email each file to yourself.
[Milestone XT720 General] Hahutzy:
Just wondering before I take the plunge, because you can't upgrade to froyo if it's rooted right?
[Milestone XT720 General] jakelights:
Just reflash it. And soft restore
[Milestone XT720 General] Hahutzy:
Here's my post from the other thread:
[Milestone XT720 General] dannyfly:
unroot first and try again?

universalandroot <--might need this
[Touch Diamond CDMA] wpattie:
Hey there, I have noticed that I can't text picture. I am wondering if there is a way to text a picture using windows 6.5.

Thanks.
[Touch Diamond CDMA] high25:
Do you mean sending picture mail/mms to someone?
[Touch Diamond CDMA] wpattie:
I can email pictures, but I can't mms pictures.
[Touch Diamond CDMA] high25:
What carrier are you with?
[Touch Diamond CDMA] wpattie:
MTS (Manitoba telecom service)
[Touch Diamond CDMA] high25:
Oh, I don't know then.

I'm not sure if it will work (i'm not responsible if it does anything to your phone), but you could try finding a generic Arcsoft MMS cab and configuring your own settings for MTS.
[Touch Diamond CDMA] wpattie:
perfect, thanks.
[Touch Diamond CDMA] gfinockio:
Just to let you know, I found the same issue previously and MTS does not support MMS with the Diamond for whatever reason. I tried the Arcsoft CAB but I don't have the server settings for MTS.

You can email a picture to the "email number" of the person you want - ie, 20422222222@text.mts.net I think works for MTS customers. Each carrier has a different ending to the email.
[Touch Diamond CDMA] wpattie:
ok thanks. I will try that. Thanks.
[Vibrant General] jrharvey:
Ok so I would like to get a vibrant soon but there are a few things that bother me that I would like to get resolved.

#1 how are the custom ROMS? Can i use Galaxy S and Captivate ROMS or is it specific to the vibrant only?

#2 I really dont like the UI they put on there. I like the stock android OR sense UI. I know sense will probably never make it to the vibrant but how about the stock android? Are there any ROMS right now that offer that? I know how to theme but that would be a lot of changing.

#3 development... I feel like since the Galaxy S will be across the world and many carriers development would be fairly good right? How is it now? What do you think it will be like in the future?