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[EVO 4G Android Development] Andrell:
Yeah, I'm new to xda. Though I have been playing with root, ROMs, and themes on Android for about 9 months now. So in that sense I certainly don't consider myself new.

Though I am mostly new to the LP situation. And believe me I have plenty enough experience to know that when a Dev does not put up a FAQ for his complex app, it's much more efficient all-around to just ask a question that may be redundant, rather than run a search on several threads with 100+ pages that may or may not contain the solution.

Anyways. I have played with all of the settings in LP. Of course I had already messed with the elastic scrolling and the minimum scrolling speeds. The home screen swiping still stutters hard when hitting that acceleration 'cusp' that registers a swipe as being fast/long/continuous enough to cause a screen transition (rather than just a 'bounce back').

Elasticity controls the 'bounce back' after a screen transition. Scrolling speed sets the minimum allowed speed of a transition before and after the stutter. But nothing I can find will eliminate the hard stutter and allow for the true "super smooth scrolling" that LP promises.

Like I was saying originally, this problem seems to be something that LP was setup to do. Maybe over time it becomes less obvious, but right now after using Sense for over a month, I know what truly smooth scrolling looks like, and LP just gets plain choppy when recognizing a swipe.

At this point it seems to me that LP does not have a setting to resolve the issue. Are there any Sense ROMs out there with home screen rotation ability?
[EVO 4G Android Development] Vandam500:
That's not that good to be honest. I went 8 hours with Fresh and SetCPU and lost 1% while my phone was sleeping. Didn't turn any radios off or anything!!!
[EVO 4G Android Development] Biofall:
Ah dude, I wasn't referring to you specifically. I've figured that you've messed with all the settings, and honestly I'm with you on it, but that's just one of the quirks with alternative launchers. In the end, htc has a team on their launcher, who get paid to screw around with the software. The devs are pretty responsive for LP; I bet you could email them and get better results

Well I guess I should throw in that what I posted was by no means any sort of evaluation, considering the fact of the non trickle battery. My phone was probably at 93 cause of the discharge.

However, if you can get 8 hours on a 2.2 Rom and lose 1%, they you have found the Jesus phone, the messiah of cellulars, if you will. I'm not saying I doubt the authenticity, because I'm happy you could have that, but most people can't ever achieve that. I've made it my personal mission to try to explain to the users who see outrageous (not saying untrue) battery claims and are consumed by searching that you can only go so far with your EVO battery.

If you can get a log of said wonderful life, such as with system panel or juice plotter, along with settings, I think everyone with an EVO would love you. But that doesn't even necessarily mean they could reproduce it, due to inconsistent device/battery specs. Your case specifically most likely dropped after the initial 1% sooner than someone would have dropped who 5% to begin with.

In conclusion, I guess I have to say I'm glad for people with that kinda life, but they are outliers.
[EVO 4G Android Development] Vandam500:
It was sleeping the whole 8 hours, I didn't touch it. If I remember correctly it was Fresh 3.1 with Netarchy's latest kernel at that time. 4G off of course :p and SetCPU set to 245min/245max when screen was off.
[EVO 4G Android Development] spamking98:
Can someone please post a clearlockscreen.apk that will work with this rom...i tried several clearlocksxreens from the themes and apps section but they dont work, they just put me in an endless boot loop...
[EVO 4G Android Development] fatkitty420:
Guys, there is no "Removed Apps" folder on my SD card. Can someone point me to a download where I can get all the removed apk's?

The link on Fresh's website 404's.
[EVO 4G Android Development] bluehaze:
Went 12 hours with stock kernel on Fresh 3.2 and only lost 0.5% while my phone was sleeping :D
[EVO 4G Android Development] .jond:
Mine is close. I'm not running a task killer, or setcpu, or anything.

I do have the 3500mAh battery, so the percentages are different. Actually, maybe that's the main difference?

I'm on Fresh Evo 3.1.0.2.

72% at 2:21am when I went to bed

70% at 8:45am when I got up this morning.

It dropped to 67% by 8:56 as I checked email and such, then:

67% at 8:56am

66% at 3:30pm
[EVO 4G Android Development] Vandam500:
Impressive!!! :eek: how'd you know it was only 0.5% though:p
[EVO 4G Android Development] Minigtr:
Okay so I did the update and now my market wont open and my contacts fc's on me all the time. To make matters worse thatt prevents me from retrieving all of my contacts. Anyone else seeing this?
[EVO 4G Android Development] xlGmanlx:
you have juice or set cpu setup or anything like that? As much as i appreciate what the Dev's are doing, there is a lot of variables to get long lasting battery life. If we were able to get a stock Kernel that did all of that for us, add in OC/ 60 FPS, wireless tether and maybe some UV/OC goodies, that is what i would call BEAST MODE!!
[EVO 4G Android Development] Jim M:
This has been mostly idle, but still the best I've seen for battery use yet.
[EVO 4G Android Development] Cache22:
The name of the folder on the SD card should be:

fresh-removed-apks-3
[EVO 4G Android Development] cabbieBot:
a real, comprehensive way to use or not use titanium backup would be extremely helpful. i dont know if there already is one here or on another forum, but a link would be greatly appreciated :D
[EVO 4G Android Development] cabbieBot:
also, has anyone extracted just the kernel for this new one itself? if people wanted to test how it worked vs something like the king kernel it would be very helpful if they could flash back and forth between them
[EVO 4G Android Development] mylasthope:
Need. FPS. Unlock. Anyone else having really bad problems scrolling through screens? Maybe I'm just too used to 55 fps =(
[EVO 4G Android Development] scriptx:
not as bad as multitouch. Anyone running 3.2 have multitouch working?
[EVO 4G Android Development] Noxious Ninja:
Yeah, two-point multitouch works fine for me.

Sent from my HummerPhone using the XDA App
[EVO 4G Android Development] Daft Punk:
why not flash netarchy's FPS fix?
[EVO 4G Android Development] ecko72:
first time rooting and i rooted this rom. my question is how do i take the sprint voice mail upgrade notification off
[EVO 4G Android Development] Biofall:
Sigh. Damn phone not sleeping again. System Panel says that none of my apps are keeping it awake... Agg
[EVO 4G Android Development] vikramjatt11:
whenever the phone reboots, or i reboot it... it stays on the boot animation for literally 4 minutes... does any1 know y this happens, and any way i can fix this, make it faster...
[EVO 4G Android Development] akarol:
I am also inquiring this as well. Very much interested!
[EVO 4G Android Development] xlGmanlx:
reflash.... :( i know its probably not the answer you want to hear, but i was having issues and i jacked up my setup requiring me to go all the way back to stock and wipe my SD card and i got rid of a lot of my issues.

Question: Anyone running juice defender and have the CPU option available? I just had to do a wipe and it was there before, but not now
[EVO 4G Android Development] vikramjatt11:
i have tried reflashing, still experiencing the issue... and yes, i c the cpu option in ultimate defender
[EVO 4G Android Development] Vegasden:
Search this thread can be your friend

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=7882605&postcount=2468
[EVO 4G Android Development] tsakali:
I am also having this probelm. is there any way the dev. can look into this? Would be very much appreciated! I use that function more than I'd like to admit.
[EVO 4G Android Development] robpet2:
WHAT IS THIS FPS FIX ??? im getting 55fps on neocore
[EVO 4G Android Development] Biofall:
They are talking about the beta update from Fresh that comes with a new htc kernel that has the fps capped
[EVO 4G Android Development] fatkitty420:
There is no such folder on my SD card.

Can someone up the entire set for me?
[EVO 4G Android Development] fatkitty420:
Double post...

Weird.
[EVO 4G Android Development] Biofall:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=E5TOD4M4

Unzip that zip, and you should be good to go
[EVO 4G Android Development] Noxious Ninja:
Because the whole point of Fresh 3.2 is the new HTC kernel?
[EVO 4G Android Development] lath19:
After two days running 3.2 I'm not sure what I think about this kernel. The battery life is fantastic when the phone is idle but seems to drain faster when being used.
[EVO 4G Android Development] scriptx:
Exactly. Also to be signed by sprint again. Anyone have more than 2 multi-touch points working in 3.2? You can test using dotty.
[EVO 4G Android Development] scriptx:
Same here. Experienced this with latest netarchy kernel on 3.1x. I think it's data consumption.
[EVO 4G Android Development] Biofall:
That's how all froyo ROMs are dude. At least for me.

Ha 2 point
[EVO 4G Android Development] Noxious Ninja:
Is there any practical use for more than 2 points at the moment? I have yet to come across any software that could make use of the 5 I have available with netarchy or king's kernels.

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[EVO 4G Android Development] Cryt:
I've searched and searched... but no one has answered a few of the guys that have asked the same thing. The market is not working properly; more specifically, when downloading apps from the Market it gets stuck on the "Starting Download". However, my data is working just fine. It also works fine when on wifi.

I just did a full data wipe using ClockWorkMod and installed Fresh 3.2 with no change. Any thoughts?
[EVO 4G Android Development] Drybonz:
I can't think of any reason I would want more than 2. If I can pinch to zoom, I'm money.
[EVO 4G Android Development] N00dle:
It happens with more than just Fresh so I doubt it's a rom specific issue. I have had it happen to. Doesn't happen all the time just now and again.

Try doing your wipes with RA recovery.
[EVO 4G Android Development] lamboh:
ha...going on 12 hrs...wifi on all day ....medium usage and netarchy''s latest kernel...and still at 76% on batt...also only 2 mutitouch points but who needs more?
[EVO 4G Android Development] robpet2:
oh... im getting about 51fps.. i downloaded a fps test from the market a few hours ago
[EVO 4G Android Development] Rattor:
I'm having issues with the weather and my location info in the clock on Fresh 3.1.0.2. They don't show up. Any help?
[EVO 4G Android Development] xlGmanlx:
Mine was like that too, i ended up reflashing due to other reasons, and viola they were back, so to answer your question, i have no idea! but it did come back when i flashed everything from stock
[EVO 4G Android Development] Biofall:
It happens to me all the time; Right now it's happening with the 3.2 ROM. It goes away after awhile, just don't worry about it.
[EVO 4G Android Development] NYCHitman1:
Turns out that it was the Netarchy 4.1.9 BFS kernel. I swapped to Kings #6 and everything is running as smooth as possible. Give it a test if you want.
[EVO 4G Android Development] ejittles:
I'm going to have to call BS on this. First of all, you'd have to be a piss-poor engineer to leave off a trickle charger on any battery operated device. Secondly, I have no reception in my bedroom and if I leave it unplugged, I go from 100% to 60% overnight. When I wake up and unplug my phone it doesn't drop down to 90%.

Also, if your battery has already been partially depleted you can restart your phone and have the battery % go up or down 5-10% without doing anything. It has to be a battery calibration issue. The phone will stop charging when it thinks the battery is full, even if it's really only at 90%.

I don't believe it's the kernel but I could be wrong. I have two Evos, both on Kings BFS #5 I believe. This issue has been happening on one and not on the other. The CPU usage goes up to 100% for no apparent reason. A reboot temporarily solves it. Unfortunately it's not mine that is experiencing the problem so I never get the chance to try and figure out what is causing it.
[EVO 4G Android Development] Rattor:
So I just cycled the location settings (on and off) and voila they're back. Most strange.
[EVO 4G Android Development] sombdy:
No bluff dude. The charging issue has been well documented in these forums. It charges to 100%, shuts off, and doesn't pickup charging again until it reaches 90%. There is no such thing as calibrating a lithium, at least not from a user's perspective. Do your research please

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[EVO 4G Android Development] d j a:
Ver 3.2.0.0 WOW 1 Day 17 hours

Thought I would throw my own numbers in here for the latest donors release. Holy crap is this good. I saw Flipz release notes claiming amazing battery life and I was very skeptical. (As I am of anyone claiming this...)

Anyway, nearly 2 days. About 3 hours talking, moderate web use and a few apps. I also use direct push email with it set to "As Items Arrive". This has been the problem for me and good battery life. I do see that HTC updated their mail program, maybe this has to do with it.

This is so good, I am going to be hard pressed to flash ANYTHING ever again. WOW.

http://geekfor.me/evo/22/coming-soon-fresh-evo-32/
[EVO 4G Android Development] ejittles:
Show me empirical evidence that the phone does not have a trickle charger. Do you have a schematic that shows the lack thereof? Of course I don't have a schematic that shows there is. But I do know that you can watch your charging LED turn from amber to green <edit>unplug it,</edit> and still see an instant battery drop. I also know that putting trickle chargers on electronic devices is NOT new or revolutionary. There's no logical reason for the engineers at HTC to not include one, and it's unlikely that they would overlook such a key issue. They probably try to use the exact same components and circuit layouts for charging across all their devices in order to save money.

And of course the calibration is not from a user's perspective. How could a user calibrate their own battery? But if there was no calibration between the battery and the phone why would there be battery stats? Why would they give you the option to clear the battery stats? That would just be wasted development time and effort.

You're not thinking logical about this at all
[EVO 4G Android Development] GadgetMonger:
I've personally tested this theory and I've never been able to get my bat to drop even 1 percentage point from 100 while on the charger. I've got to call BS as well....
[EVO 4G Android Development] swaze:
Think about what you are saying. It wont drop while on the charger. But as soon as you remove the charger it will drop from 100 pretty quickly, and the reason is because its really not 100 as you would think although it says so. Its really 90 something and removing the charger causes it to go to the true percentage.
[EVO 4G Android Development] SilentSummer:
All this talk about this great of battery life has me anxiously waiting for the public release. :D
[EVO 4G Android Development] GadgetMonger:
I know what I'm saying. I tested the theory myself. If what you're saying is correct then after monitoring my bat and seeing right when it reads fully charged I could then without disconnecting from the charger put my phone to heavy usage for a measured amount of time, then disconnect and have my bat meter instantly read a 5 percent or more drop. I haven't been able to produce those results on my phone is what I'm saying.
[EVO 4G Android Development] carguy4471:
Let me clear this up.

The evo does NOT trickle charge. I have tested this using a P3 International 480 Kill A Watt Electricity Usage Monitor with Electronic Graphic Timer. You can find them here: P3 International P4480 Kill A Watt Electricity Usage Monitor with Electronic Graphic Timer The evo will draw between .08 and .04 amps during charging. .08 at a lower battery level, .04 at a higher battery level. When it reaches 100%, it COMPLETELY stops charging. It draws 0.00 amps at that point. It IS running on battery even though it is plugged in. It IS NOT trickle charging. I have verified this on around 75 evo's. Yes, 75.

The phone will resume charging again when it drains to around 90%.

This is called float charging. Due to the battery type, trickle charging would reduce it's overall life cycle. Float charging was used as an alternative.

Battery calibration is a myth, it doesn't exist. Battery stats in the phone matter a great deal, and it seems many evo's had poor stats from the factory and many have increased their battery life by properly reseting them.

If someone cares to argue this point, feel free, but please do some real research. Don't share what YOUR phone does. That means nothing. Grab a VOM or some other comperable tool and do some testing and post up your results.
[EVO 4G Android Development] lath19:
I can confirm that this happens to my phone every single morning. I took it off the charger this morning, checked two emails, and the battery dropped to 92%. It then takes 30 minutes or so to charge up to 100%. Same thing happens every day.

I'll let you kids argue about why you think it does or doesn't happen. I really don't care what your opinion is on the issue, all I'm saying is that it's a definite problem (at least for some of us).
[EVO 4G Android Development] ejittles:
Alright I clearly had my terminology wrong, it is a float charger, not a trickle charger. But are you saying that it hovers at 90%? Because I don't see any difference at having the float charger hover at 99% or 90%.

If you assume that the rate of discharge is constant then it would turn on as often at 90% as it does at 100%. But if you're saying that it discharges down to 90% and then charges back up to 100% over and over then the odds of pulling the phone off the charger at 90% every single morning is unlikely. You should have a fairly normal distribution between 90 and 100%.

Still, if calibration is a myth there would be no need for battery stats. The phone clearly learns information about the battery over time and uses that to adjust charging.
[EVO 4G Android Development] mastermarc:
Sorry man, but you are losing this battle, badly. I have actually taken my phone off the charger and had it "actually" be close to 100%. As in, it did NOT drop down within the first hour to 90%.

So with that in mind, here's what likely happens. You have the same morning routine, and this leads you to believe that this pattern applies to all routines. You plug in your charger and it charges to 100%, then, (most) of the power is drawn from AC while its on overnight, and some of the battery is drained (albeit very slowly).

The battery likely never drains to 90% and then charges back to 100, rather, it probably just slowly discharges and whatever % it's at when you pull it off is where it happens to be.

As far as calibrating, restarting your phone and having a 5-10% difference, and having your phone use some sort of fancy AI to determine your "precise" battery level.....Forget about it. Lithium has very low voltage drop and as a result it is very difficult to know the true battery level. The % is based on a relatively simple calculation done based on the voltage an the amount of energy used, however, the true level is based on temperature, draw rate, time turned off etc, with voltage just being a "symptom" of those things. Throw in the fact that your phone varies the power usage continuously, and you have all but killed your chances at having an accurate battery reading.

Edit: Oh right...so on topic here, the fresh 3.2 rom is AWESOME. Been using the stock kernel and i was at 40% battery after 16hrs with reasonably heavy usage. And i'm one of those people that never got very good battery life with any other setup because i have messengers and things always on. Going to do some testing with the kling kernel, but that'll take like at least a day im sure.

Also, just put the "framework-res_HTC_2.2-signed" deal with the % battery icon and circle on. Didn't break the rom, so good news there.
[EVO 4G Android Development] carguy4471:
It doesn't "hover" at 90%. It simply charges to 100%, then doesn't start charging again until it reaches around 90%. So, it could be hours before it starts charging again if you are asleep not using your phone.

You are correct in that the odds of pulling your phone of at 90% each time is unlikely. Conversely, the odds of pulling your phone off at 100% each time is unlikely. Suffice it to say that you should expect to see somewhere between 90 and 100 each time you unplug depending on where your battery is within the float charge cycle.

There are a lot of terms related to batteries that are ill understood. Not to say that everyone should understand them. There are many different types of batteries, and within each there are different cell configurations. You could have a single cell lithium-ion. Series or parrallel multiple cell lithium-ion. Same goes for lithium-polymer. Single cell and multiple cell, both series and parrellel. When it comes to battery conditioning, this was a term coined when nickel-cadnium and nickel-metalhydride batteries were all the rage. It even applies in some cases of multi cell lithium-ion. Current lithium-polymer batteries are the most advanced batteries known to man. They are capable of massive amperage and current draw and recycle with little degredation to the cells. I use 3700mah, 8S1P (8 cell 1 pack), 29.6volt battery packs to fly an r/c helicopter drawing 40 amps. Lipo batteries are amazing.

With lipo batteries calibration doesn't exist unless you have multiple cells, in which case it is refered to as balancing. Dead is dead, and full is full, and neither will kill your battery. This was not the case in battery types of old and thus calibration mattered.

Battery stats are simply a file in your phone, that's all. It is a file. Within the file there is voltage information that your phone translates into a percent to display on your phone. I.E. 3.7-volt=100%

If (and it happened in many cases), these stats were off, your battery would think that say..... 85% was 100% and tell you that you were fully charged even though you weren't. It was just a matter of the wrong voltages stored in that file.

By resetting your battery stats properly, with your phone charged fully, then discharging fully until your phone shuts down, your phone would overwrite those voltage values with the values that actually applied to your battery.

It is hard to say for sure why this issue happened, but it is likely that HTC cut some corners on this file and grabbed the stats from one battery and those values were programmed throughout all the phones. With lipo batteries there are variences and they make a big difference.

The long and short of it is this:

-Everyone should properly reset their battery stats, and do so after flashing any new rom.

-Everyone should expect to see a small drop in battery, up to 10% when they unplug their phone.

-For those that don't like the battery drop. Unplug your phone when you wake up, wait a minute for the battery drop, then plug it back in while you shower and have your healthy morning breakfast. YOU DO have a healthy breakfast don't you??