yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Desire Android Development] fersingb:
@charon72: I only agree partially.

Yes the warnings are there and they shouldn't be ignored. But HTC should also be blamed for locking their devices like this.

Sent from my HTC Desire
[Desire Android Development] charon72:
That is not the case here.

This is the case of a person choosing to ignore warnings and then cry afterwards.

I have full confidence that root will be achieved for the new Hboot sooner or later.
[Desire Android Development] sorch:
Of course, but it is an example of what could result from HTC's attitude to locking down their phones.

Someone may find an exploit, but what if HTC have done a good job of it? The phone might stay stuck on 2.2 forever more.
[Desire Android Development] charon72:
Point taken.

Then on the other hand, name a non-KIRF smartphone on the market that is not locked/protected and last but not least Desirable :P
[Desire Android Development] gloom:
May sounds stupid, it's just an idea after a long working day.

Why not contacting ht support asking them for a rom that allows to go back to 2.1 ?

Yeah I know, they never would give a rom to revert to hboot 0.80 but who knows ^^ Maybe santa claus exists :p :p :p
[Desire Android Development] AdamG:
HTC just want to protect their interlectual property which they have every right to, they are protecting app developers, what is the harm in that.

I personally do not abuse root, I just dont want sense on my phone.

I knew the risks and I accept the consequences with no ranting :)
[Desire Android Development] Biffy:
It's quite simple, no need to be amazed.

I don't spend my days reading all the threads here and learning about rooting phones and potential gotchas. I spend my days working, using my phone (or trying to with it's pitiful bluetooth implementation). So when a new update comes out, I trust HTC and install it, hoping the bluetooth situation will be improved, so I can use an external keyboard (as I could with my HD2) and be more productive. But not only has froyo not helped, it's also made the device worse in some ways, I can no longer root, some apps now FC.

I'm not foolish, I'm more or less an average user. I'd be perfectly happy to stick with the OTA froyo update if it gave the bluetooth implementation a non sense, non HTC rom would provide. So yes I feel justified in being annoyed with HTC.
[Desire Android Development] charon72:
On the helpful side ..

http://www.dhgate.com/mini-bluetoot...ssory/p-ff8080812916f55901291b3a28cb19c0.html

Here is a Kirf bluetooth keyboard that supposedly works with android :)
[Desire Android Development] GUTKO:
I think locking @2.2 is quite probable because at some point htc may want to stop updating their older phones and reserve gingerbread for newer devices forcing us to buy new phone. Making a product that will live forever isnt in the interest of any company.same thing with xda,allowing mods to build roms will make desire live longer and they dont want it im pretty sure of it.
[Desire Android Development] ivan_white:
take you phone into you hand, turn it around, read the inscription on the bottom,

"WITH HTC SENSE"

now, now, when you go out and by a pack of gum, cherry flavored, do you say i want peppermint?

We all bought our phones with HTC Sense and we knew HTC controls the software,

it was luck and chance that got us mods and roms from custom cookers on XDA, but basically we bought phones from HTC not XDA, we should be happy that they don't want their work to be modded? that is their right as much as it's our right to try and toy with our phones to see what can we do with them...
[Desire Android Development] sorch:
True, but if 3.0 does come out in a month or two (or January, depending on which rumour you believe) the Desire wouldn't have been out for a year (and some people may have only just bought the phone). If HTC don't update it to 3.0 (even if it does take a while, thanks to the Ace or whatever) then that's awful, but a still locked-down bootloader would make it worse.

Not everyone buys phones every few months, so I'm not sure who HTC would be targeting by making people buy a new phone every few months just to get vital updates. Many will only get a new phone when their 18 or 24 month contract is up. So what's the big deal in allowing people to keep their phone somewhat current, if they weren't going to buy a new phone anyway?

I know that if HTC do treat us in that way, I may strongly consider making my Desire the first and last HTC phone I own. It may alienate others, too.

If Google can implement a bootloader that allows you to unlock it at will (on a largely HTC device), why can't HTC themselves do it?
[Desire Android Development] ivan_white:
actually i think that the N1 and the desire will get bumped to 3.0 and left there,

they are top range phones and what happens to them now will influence ppl buying top end devices in the future so they will want to show that if you buy a top end device you will have at least 2 years of updates and you won't be running obsolete software on your once flagship device.

if they screw with n1 and desire users they will have a hard time selling flagship models later
[Desire Android Development] rvdgeer:
Please stop hijacking this thread and let's get back on topic.

Anyone with a new idea to try?
[Desire Android Development] Biffy:
No, but if I buy cherry flavoured gum and it tastes of peppermint, then I complain.

Yes, let's get back on topic. I think as pointed out we're going to have to wait for the new OTA to be cracked.
[Desire Android Development] abunawwaf:
i think this ruu will work RUU_Bravo_HTC_WWE_1.21.405.2_Radio_32.36.00.28U_4.06.00.02_2_release_126984_signed.exe

but the problem when we reach the boot screen the usb driver become lose or not defined , plus there is sound comes out from window as same as that sound when you unplug the usb cable , that why the installation was interrupted

how to keep the usb working even if we entered to the boot screen??
[Desire Android Development] SimonCraddock:
hehe I did that before the USB Brick/SD Card Mount problem was sorted. Flashed the WWE RUU so the firmware was correct in the info screen and took it to CPW. They scratched their collective heads together, couldn't understand what was going on and gave me a new phone lol.
[Desire Android Development] playmokill:
Ok... let's think... The hboot uptade is into the OTA Froyo update in the firmware.zip.

Maybe whe can copy the firmware.zip from the old OTA (OTA_Bravo_HTC_WWE_1.21.405.2-1.15.405.4_release_P4ohim1mtp6zggcyon) to the new (OTA_Bravo_Froyo_HTC_WWE_2.09.405.8-1.21.405.2_release4dua3bcrut4wrv30) and try to update.

Now if it's possible, how we can try to update with this new maked firmware? Just renaming the OTA to uptade.zip?
[Desire Android Development] albino71:
I downgraded from 0.80 to 0.75 before using this HowTo...

http://android.modaco.com/content/htc-desire-desire-modaco-com/310970/how-to-downgrade-hboot/

I thought i'd post it here, maybe someone gets any brilliant thoughts from reading it :)
[Desire Android Development] wiggy2k:
Does not work, you need root to flash the 0.75 hboot. i think the only way to get root back is to hack the ruu update (dont think that this works) or to find a new exploit. And i think this is just a matter of time ... i hope ..
[Desire Android Development] looking-g:
well i have to say i am in the same area i have the ota and hboot 92 also but since i installed launcher pro i have the best froyo expirience ever maby extracting phone.apk and messaging will help also but its fast and furious as is besides what is really strange that apps like ultimate juice and calander widget i paid for where not available in market using sense but now installed launcher pro (paid for) and they are available strange heh but enjoying the near to basic froyo at the moment
[Desire Android Development] Sammy83:
Isn't it possible to get a new signature for the fake flash method which will be accepted by the HTC recovery mode? Then it'll be possible to restore nand backups again.

What about some adb hacks?
[Desire Android Development] chessmaster82:
You tried rebooting your pc whilst your phone is in boot screen, leaving it connected and reloading the RUU, read it here

http://www.mikesouthby.co.uk/2010/0...yo-official-ota-for-network-branded-handsets/

I tried and my phone screen starting flashing white and black, pulled battery and im still stuck with Bricked phone :S
[Desire Android Development] AdamG:
How old was the phone when you did that?

This is few months old now but I know HTC put them under warranty for 24months.
[Desire Android Development] murrelito:
MacBook:r6-desire-root-alt max$ ./fastboot-mac flash zip testimage.zip
sending 'zip' (138708 KB)... OKAY
writing 'zip'... INFOadopting the signature contained in this image...
INFOsignature checking...
INFOzip header checking...
INFOzip info parsing...
INFOchecking model ID...
INFOchecking custom ID...
INFOchecking main version...
FAILED (remote: 43 main version check fail)

Fastboot finds the device.. But as you can see fails on main version just like the PB99IMG method.

Must be a way past this..
[Desire Android Development] fmachine:
So none of us can finish that? I don't thinks so .

Hang on, guys
[Desire Android Development] philicibine:
Just a wild stab in the dark....

One thing I did notice when downgrading my mates brick.

It kept rebooting, even when the ruu started up. Didn't affect the progress of the ruu... so I left it.

Maybe this contributed to the unprotected bit of the phone?

Maybe an adb shell reboot might help u circumvent the protection?
[Desire Android Development] Sammy83:
Are there any news or new ideas on that?

Is anybody currently workin on a new root method?
[Desire Android Development] shinobi_uk:
Unsure mate, I'm sure "someone" is but doesn't seem to be much noise about it on here.

Looks like mine is going to be an insurance job lol.
[Desire Android Development] Biffy:
Rather than risk a fine / prison for insurance fraud, why not just wait for it to be cracked...
[Desire Android Development] rvdgeer:
Say what? :confused:

If an OTA update 'somehow' leads to a (semi)bricked device, this should be fixed under warranty...
[Desire Android Development] fmachine:
I'm still working on it, everyone. I think maybe an adb shell rooting can help us. Keep trying mates ,you are not alone !!
[Desire Android Development] mbroeders:
That's really good to hear! Hope you'll be able to figure out something soon. Hate myself for being so stupid to install the OTA update and losing the possibility to root...

However, I do hear very different stories, one says we might not be able to root again in the near future, while others are more optimistic about the root process. :confused: As I am quite a noob, will it be realistic to expect a solution soon, or will i just have to accept the fact that i'm stuck with the official ROM?
[Desire Android Development] bakedecake:
What if you unpack the PB99IMG zip, change the name of hboot_8x50_0.80.0000_20100329.nb0 to the 0.92 hboot version then repack it and try running fastboot in recovery?
[Desire Android Development] rvdgeer:
As far as I understand There is no way to root yet because all previously used options don't work. This doesn't neccessarily mean it's impossible...

I believe the update has some sort of a signature/checksum and we're not able to reapply this (or any) signature after changing the contents.
[Desire Android Development] fmachine:
Yes, hope is everything. Even we have lost root, we still have hope.

Damn signature... Same sh1t, different OS, different devices.

Symbian was a good OS, Nokia was a good company... but, after the birth of the damn signature of apps on symbian, everything changed... Symbian died, Nokia is going on a way to hell.

In fact I'm so like HTC, I don't want the same sh1t happen to it.
[Desire Android Development] shinobi_uk:
A fine/prison? Get a grip! Who's to know if I purposely or accidentally put it in the washing machine.
[Desire Android Development] alan.lc.jopp:
Dont tell me that is the only one solution... :-(
[Desire Android Development] BastiaanN:
Does it check for signature when the update is supplied trough OTA? If not, you might want to try faking an OTA update.
[Desire Android Development] playmokill:
Hey people... Be paitient!!! The iphone room took more than one month to be rack. There is no problem with that... In the end everything works out!

There is a lot of people trying to do this.

if they fail in it, i'm sure, alternatives will emerge!
[Desire Android Development] iain2510:
Just a quick thought for those if you with the new ROM and hboot thinking of claiming under warranty or insurance - won't all new HTC Desires being sold have the new Froyo ROM and .92 hboot?
[Desire Android Development] fersingb:
Is it possible for someone who has HBOOT 0.80 to help you? I didn't apply the official OTA (and don't want to) but I would like to help... ^^

regards,
[Desire Android Development] maximini1:
Hi I'm trying to look into this forum hXXp://bbs.gfan.com/android-175932-1-1.html,

as it mention someone did the ota and vice verse back (HBoot from 0.92 to 0.8), but this is in chinese wordings, so I try to look for that guy for more details. Hope it really work.

It states:

1、制作金卡 ( Make a Goldcard, bcoz the gc image is not the same after ota than the org )

2、刷RUU官方ROM。 ( Flash RUU rom)

http://shipped-roms.com/shipped/Bra...00.28U_4.06.00.02_2_release_126984_signed.exe

3、刷后HBOOT会从0.92降为0.80 ( U will see the HBoot FM 0.92 downgrade to 0.8 after flash )

4、使用O大无痛root ( Root by one click method should be reflash_package.rar unrevoked.com )

5、此时可获取root权限 ( Get back root permission )

6、随意再刷任意定制ROM。 ( Flash any rom you like )

But still that guy not replying me yet, hope this can help something~~
[Desire Android Development] bakedecake:
If an xda member can get one of these jobs

http://www.htc.com/uk/job_current.aspx

then we will have a man on the inside who can find out how to sign a rom or downgrade the bootloader. :D
[Desire Android Development] AdamG:
All current rooting methods have been exhausted, the only hope we have is of either of the following,

leaking of signing keys (highly doubtfull to happen)

a kernel/dbus/udev/sysfs exploit (highly likely to happen)

its not a question of how anymore it is a question of when, vulnerabilities are discovered all the time and I firmly believe that a solution will prevail eventually.

Till then all we can do is sit and wait and keep an eye on any CVE released.
[Desire Android Development] rvdgeer:
Yep, patience is the key...

Just saw Paul O'Brien tweeting he's working on it too:

I'm working on new Desire stuff yeah. 0.92 root, no solution yet.
[Desire Android Development] murrelito:
Giving me hope, I guess it's just a question of time just like you're saying. PaulOBrien's tweet is a good sign aswell. :)
[Desire Android Development] Average0815:
Hi Folks!

I read a lot here in the last few Weeks and Months. Unfortunately i have the same problem, but even weirder.

Now i have HBoot 0.92 but with root! :rolleyes: I flashed the official OTA, but after that i flashed the first rooted OTA too (i know that i shouldn't done that). Is there a workaround, that i can edit a specific file in the system, to downgrade and flash the old 1.21 Software ?

Any help would be appreciated, Thanks very much!

Device: Generic Desire (without branding or simlock)

Software: Android 2.09.405.8 (OTA) with root access, but with HBoot 0.92
[Desire Android Development] fmachine:
OK, mate, that guy is me I guess...

Gfan is a Chinese android phone forum...
[Desire Android Development] Cthugha:
AdamG,

Are you (and the OpenDesire team) still planning release a new ROM based on the OTA update? I'm still running your 1.0c ROM and waiting patiently :)

Keep up the good work!
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] n2ishun:
Has anyone figured out a way to disable the advertisements that show on the bottom in most every app ?

So many are complaining about lag and I (for one) think it has to do with these stupid google advertisements.

Advanced task killer seems to stop them for a few minutes.....but I can't seem to grasp what is feeding them ?!?
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] junkdruggler:
Thats how some people make money... But if you must, there is an app called adfree android.... Must have root...
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Xyber3364:
Please do not disable ads as a developer that keeps most of his apps free I really entirely on ads for any thing back.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bahnburner:
Usually you can pick up the paid version of the app, which doesn't have ads.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rhcp011235:
Just install adfree and be done.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] designerfx:
As a consumer, please don't play this bs pity game about your decision to make your app less useful by covering a portion of the screen with ads to make money off us.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zephiK:
wrong section of the forums, this isn't "development"

but yes, AdFree is the thing that you're looking for.. most apps have a DONATE version which will remove the ad
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rhcp011235:
Exactly, I just wanted to end the thread :)
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] youneek:
You can afford a $500 phone, why not pay $ for an app you obviously like and find useful? Its especially insulting to ask for an easy way to screw the developers in a development forum... Try asking in general when you have questions.

Sent from my Vibrant
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AustinKnight45:
I think adfree slows down your phone well it did on my g1, just saying

Sent From Tha 1 Tha Only... Vibrant
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ttabbal:
It will slow down dns a bit, but shouldn't be too bad.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Fallen Spartan:
MOD EDIT - Moved to General discussion as not related to android development
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] samersh72:
Re: Root,Unroot,CWM,and how to Flash Galaxy Ace S5830i

Deleted
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bahnburner:
Wrong thread.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eksasol:
Here is the classic argument, I believe consumers should have the right to privacy and there are apps out there with risky permissions and adwares that can read your contacts and sms while it is a simply an 'offline' game. I do buy many apps and donate sometimes. I use a phone because it's my personal devices, I customize it how I want. To the dev who blame AdFree for 'losing' money, too bad. Create a good program, charge for it and remove your adwares for the paid version. Or a non euphemistic way of putting it: maybe if you made a non-s***** app without those adwares and not running in the background slowing down my phone maybe I would consider paying or donating, its free market capitalism, not welfare.

Also there are even purchased apps that come with adwares and sometime there is no paid option. I do understand Google list the permission before you download the app and since it's free its my choice if I want to download it or not, fine, but it is not always transparent for the consumer, for example apps do not list the type of adwares installed. Until the Congress say it's illegal to use ads blocking I will continue to use it.

Sent from XDA app
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kabangeka:
ads is everywhere, I got a headache when watching this ads.
[Vibrant Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] thegrantorrento:
Make sure to download the newest version if it via either Google play store or their website. They recently moved locations.

As for aware there exists an app that customizes that permissions an app installed on Android may have. You can use that to create a custom install for, say Angry birds, where it no longer allows it access to location or to the Internet which would defeat aware that tracts you or downloads new "harmful" features.

I cannot remember the name of the app offhand. If someone could help I would appreciate it.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] rahlquist:
Ok have a mediatomb server and would like to playback the content on my Captivate. Any thoughts or suggestions? I have tried the allshare app included on the phone but it refuses to play m4v mp4 or mp3 formats.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Brut.all:
I have Samsung Series 6 TV, one of the newest in the market and even it has poor support for various formats over DLNA.

Did you get SAMSUNG PC Share Manager application with your phone? It's DLNA server which does everything to run my movies on a TV without problems.

I see that in default configuration MediaTomb doesn't support m4v files - you have to add this extension to config.xml file, if you want to use it (but this is only beginning, I think).

TV supports several video codecs natively, but for some reason it requires some hacking to run them: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1198689 . Maybe phone requires same hacks (transferMode.dlna.org and contentFeatures.dlna.org headers and send all videos as video/mpeg)

You could also use transcoding in MediaTomb server - it's quite easy thing to do and it gives you unlimited possibilities to run virtually any file on any device

Of course some of above tips may not work for a phone.
[General Questions and Answers] mureta:
Hello !

I read all the posts and not found on this error.I am beginner cook rom for wm6.5x ...

I count on help from experienced the issue.

Problem:

Once I generate a rom in the kitchen of Vistang (Builds-DIY) does not ensure that regenerate only by restarting my PC I can.

Could help me solve the problem?

Any help will be of good size.

Thank you for listening.Sorry my english.

Ricardo Mureta.
[General Questions and Answers] timmymarsh:
Moved to QnA :)
[General Questions and Answers] mureta:
Hello timmymarsh !

Please,

I'm sorry my friend, moved to where? I did not understand ... why people can show me the link to where it was removed?

Thanks buddy.
[Desire General] kebabkiller:
if anyone remembers the when you swore at the google voice to text it came up as #########. Well not anymore, Froyo on desire now allows you to turn off the censor and you can tell it to **** off as much as you want.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] dcoales:
Can anyone tell me how to cut and paste from an email received in the Exchange email client (not the gmail one). Pressing and holding on the text does nothing since the mail isn't an input field. Forwarding the text doesn't help as the forwarded email is not included in the 'compose' window but in a separate field which again is not an input field so pressing and holding doesn't work.

This is really annoying me as there are often things such as addresses that I want to cut and paste and pop into google maps for example.

Has anyone worked out a way to do this ?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] saymyname:
Same problem
[Galaxy S I9000 General] dkerlee:
I also have the same problem

I find that the copy/paste features over the whole phone really suck. Why can't I touch and drag over text? I like that feature that iphones have where the little magnifying glass pops up so you can see exactly where the cursor is.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] dreamtheater39:
Yep, Android has a crappy implementation of cut & paste :(

I cant copy text in gmail, gtalk and a ton of other applications....thats a pity :(
[Omnia II General] _RM_:
Hello people, I look for a program to password-for example images photos messaging ...

anyone know of any program?
[Omnia II General] Kucher:
Skb File Hider (I can't post links, sorry).
[Omnia II General] _RM_:
tanks :D

also roam in search of a program to discover the number of anonymous calls and sms anonymous. know of any?
[EVO 4G General] corybucher:
can anyone tell me the actually size of the screen going from the left to the right. Not the touch screen I mean the scrolling area of the screen. trying to create a couple bg images but they are getting cut off when I set them to my wallpaper.

Thanks in advanced -Cory
[EVO 4G General] bludragon742:
This should probably be in Q&A but I'm not a mod. That said, there is a discussion about this in the Apps section. I believe it is 960x800. Search my friend search!
[EVO 4G General] corybucher:
Thanks, oops thought this was qa.