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[Windows Phone 7 General] lonelykatana:
I cant believe some people in this thread, the title says concept, not fact.

How is it there are already windows phone 7 fanboys before they have even had a proper hands on!?

Why hate on someones ideas for wp7, its his concept and he has done a bloody good job!

I agree with the fact the icons should be rounded, but mind you i hate the wp7 concept as a whole. Its just a nasty OS in my opinion, and I can see HTC going down the road of sense again to cover its nasty up. (THATS MY OPINION DONT HATE :cool:)

One thing I would like to see however, it a phone thats not got rounded edge.

OP you've done a bloody good job, looks amazing! I'd happily buy a phone that looked like that.

Well done!

Spec wise?

Maybe:

4.2'' Super AMOLED screen

WXGA screen, At the very least!

2ghz processor

1gb RAM

8gb ROM with room for Micro SD cards (and support for class 10 or higher, insted of it just bottlenecking)

8megapixel camera, with a half decent apeture size so decrease noise, as well as 3x optical zoom.

1080p video recording

And all the other jazz you expect, i.e GPS, wifi 4g and so on
[Windows Phone 7 General] :
Great work, man. :D I love the look and the presentation.
[Windows Phone 7 General] _LeCiel_:
Couldn't agree more :)

Super Amoled would be great, but isn't it restricted to Samsung devices? 1080p video recording would be nice but we have only a few devices recording in 720p right now. Overall great specs but I asked to keep it realistic and as we all now HTC never released a phone that had absolutely everything better then their other products, so I think that with with WP7 we can only count on 1ghz processor and 512mb/1gb of RAM (or something in between) + pretty good specs for camera etc but just not TOO amazing (let's keep it real). I hope I'm wrong :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] paperclips:
There are WP7 fans because it's pretty obvious how it handles already. Very responsive screen, great specs for every device, gorgeous UI, and awesome exclusive apps. Basically I disagree with everything you've just said. Some people are actually giving constructive criticism. And this concept isn't close to possible since Microsoft has restrictions on interfering with the UX. It's a sense fans dream I guess though.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
^ I'm willing to bet that this concept would out sell MS design. Numbers don't lie.
[Windows Phone 7 General] zane1374:
There should be options, though. This "CONCEPT" is a great way to keep the wheels spinning. WP7 will be very strong but the exclusivity may lead to its demise without the objective thought that our community has to offer. Most Sense fans are also fans of many other UIs and mix and match according to lifestyle and/or work within one, or many, OS. Keep the ideas coming and the masses will make the final decision in the end...;) Thanks _LeCiel_!
[Windows Phone 7 General] paperclips:
Oh. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, it's great to have options. None of us know exactly how MS is going to deal with UI customizing exactly but I do think that there should be a limit. MS wants a consistent OS across all hardware fronts so switching is as painless as possible is you go from like Samsung to HTC. Some of Sense isn't really needed anymore like photo viewer, music player, and video because the UX of those apps doesn't suck like it did in WM6.5 or Android. If they were to add some nice new live tiles that are somewhat like that in this concept, I would consider buying it, but it would need some work.

Hmmm...

Stock WP7 devices sold: 0

WP7 with Sense devices sold: 0

Yep, those numbers don't lie, not sure what I'm supposed to be looking for though.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
^ huh

The numbers I was referring to are located in the big poll up above.
[Windows Phone 7 General] paperclips:
Those numbers don't refer to the number of people that would choose this over stock metro ui. This poll is basically if this is an excellent concept or not.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mornixuur:
I think the concept is done very well. It keeps the idea of Metro and still gives windows phone 7 some Sense. I hope the Sense developpers from HTC are taking things into that direction.

There is something, however, that keeps bothering me about Metro. I think the placement of the arrow button at the top right side makes you loose way too much screen estate on the homescreen. I hate the esthetics and think from a usebility point of view it is bad design.

Specs it will be all we know but better and more. I wouldn't mind if they would ditch the amoled screens. I don't like the oversaturation and pixelated look. The latter makes the htc desire, for example, look worse compared to the even and old phone like the Touch HD.
[Windows Phone 7 General] paperclips:
This concept in no way keeps the idea of metro UI. Metro is chromeless which means there are no gradients, shadows, and is supposed to be based off of signs you would see in airports. The right arrow doesn't really take anything away because if that isn't there than the tiles just get moved to the right a bit. Not too sure on what you could use more screen real estate for seeing as the tiles are huge. It also serves as a spot that you can easily start to swipe without worrying about launching a hub, app, or any other pin. I'm pretty sure, they have great designers at Microsoft that can and will meet the needs of many people.

AMOLED screens being outshined by a regular lcd? Not a chance. I've owned two OLED screens and haven't had any oversaturation nor population problems. This includes my Droid Incredible and my Zune HD. If you don't want a Windows phone with an OLED, there will be some with high quality LCDs so you can buy those because many of us love the quality of AMOLED/SAMOLED.
[Windows Phone 7 General] federaly:
In absolutely no way does it keep the idea of Metro. None. Not a bit. Zilch.

Do I think this is cool? Yes! Would I want to use this on my 6.5.3? Yes!

As MSFT as stated time & time again. Metro is a extension of info boards, street signs and a manner of similar designs. I don't see "STOP" signs with much 3D shading and drop shadows do you?

As I said above I would LOVE to have this on 6.5.3! Buying a WinPho7 with this makes the idea redundant. They are looking for clean and ultra-modern. If '_LeCiel_' can get HTC to somehow port/build this to WinMo I'll be happy. But WinPho7 is purposely trying to rid it self of this style.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mornixuur:
Ok this is interesting.

1) once you skin a ui parts of it will be different. So it probably is a matter of opinion whether you look at chrome being a key concept. For me as user it isn't. But maybe it also is a trade off: metro with chrome maybe doesn't feel right but Sense without chrome won't feel right either.

2) i wasn't aware the right arrow could be away because every video and picture i saw has it. I was just saying that a layout which alligns its content to the left or the right is a waste of screens space. To me this is important especially on small screens like a phone. How boring it may be i think having you content centered is the best solution.

3) I don't agree with your comment about the clear spot for swiping. This is a windows only problem and mostly on resistive screens. I never started an app by accident on the iphone or htc desire. It happened a lot though on my Touch HD with windows. Also i think you will agree that offering 15-20 % of the screen to have a start spot for swiping seems a bit odd.

4) i dind't mean to say that overall an amoled screen is worse. I just said it has a pixelated look that is very obvious with small text. A problem even older lcd screens don't have.

5) Not sure if we talk about the same thing but the oversaturation of amoled has been discussed in many places. It is very obvious is if you look at the colour red or skin tones.. A bit like the difference between Sony and Philips TVs. Except that with the tvs you could adjust stuff and with these phones you can't. I have seen this not only on my own phone but every single amoled screen sofar so i am pretty sure i am not dreaming or making it up.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mornixuur:
You mean to say that just because MSFT wants to take the metaphor so literally 3d and shading is out and i have to do without them? Makes no sense to me (pun intended). The fact that they used the idea of info boards and stop signs doesn't mean your phone or the info on it has to look like one.

Metro like any other user interface is a combination of coherent looks, usability and functionality. Skinning a phone will always present a trade off in those areas. Mostly on the looks of course.

Making shading/3d the core of the windows phone 7/metro experience seems absurd to me.
[Windows Phone 7 General] :
FYI, Microsoft said there is no landscape on start screen for WP7.

Read UI Design and Interaction Guide for Windows Phone 7 v2.0...
[Windows Phone 7 General] bigfoune:
excellent job!"le ciel "! please can you share your tiles ? for my poor i 900 with throtlelauncher? ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] paperclips:
1. Actually, the concept behind metro can't be viewed differently at all. It's been made clear what it was based on. Anything that isn't flat, isn't metro really. This is why ms is limiting exactly what manufacturers have control over.

2. No, it can't go away, I was saying that it isn't going to be filled with anything important so it really shouldn't matter that much. It also is a way for people who have never seen the platform to know that there is more on the next page

3. Again, that part of the screen wouldn't be used much anyway. Tiles would also look worse if they were stretched out horizontally.

4. I still am not sure what you're talking about. I'm staring at text on my phone all day and have yet to see any problems with pixelation. It looks better than the lcd on my iPhone by far.

5. AMOLED oversaturation has been discussed many times and many people still disagree over it. I haven't noticed oversaturation on my devices. Color reproduction has been superb on my screens and I prefer them over any screen except maybe an ips lcd.
[Windows Phone 7 General] _LeCiel_:
Is there anything you DON'T like about WP7 and Metro?

I think all you WP7-lovers (no offense) have one thing in common - you act as if it's going to be a flawless platform running on flawless smartphones. Wake up people - just like any other OS and UI out there it's gonna have some serious issues that the developers on XDA will try to fix.

I noticed that whenever some WP7 enthusiast (like myself) writes about the things he/she don't like about the platform, you WP7-lovers almost coerce us to admit that we're wrong and you're right and WP7 rocks in every aspect.

I really like Metro and I'm sure HTC will come up with some amazing WP7 devices in the future, but they won't be a combination of perfect hardware and perfect software. It just gonna be a series of phone running a new OS that some people will like and some won't.
[Windows Phone 7 General] markus_del_marko:
without a theme or design like the OP made wp7 will ultimately fail. it has by far the worst UI i have ever seen in my life. not to mention not too many people or devs are interested in it. i think microsoft has a big fail on their hands here. people are too much into unlocking/rooting & customizing their phones now a days. i just cannot see these phones even making a dent in the market as androids numbers grow by the 10 of thousands every day. ive gone android after being a loyal winmo user for years and i could NEVER see going to a phone like wp7 with that horrid design. OP i give you props and you should work for htc designing sense!
[Windows Phone 7 General] paperclips:
Of course there are things I dislike about both Windows Phone 7 and the UI. I wish it would launch with multitasking, copy and paste, and a flash player. I wish WP7 would allow native skinning, home screen wallpapers, and a jump list for the all programs list. It also needs universal search, quicker animations, and more social networking integration like twitter.

I'm not a WP7 lover, I just appreciate the thought behind Metro UI being a graphic designer myself. I know of ways I think it may be improved obviously but for everyone to just assume that their subjective opinions are fact is nonsense. Some will prefer stock Metro and some will prefer your Sense 3 concept.

For the time being, I think that most people should save their judgement on WP7 until we play with some RTM software. I talk well of Metro UI through my owning a Zune HD, and optimism towards WP7.

This is the kind of subjective opinion I can't stand. Just because he doesn't like Metro, he assumes the world won't like it. He fails to mention the fact that WP7 hasn't been advertised, or that there are 200k+ devs already working on apps and games. New apps and games are shown everyday for WP7. All you have to do is go to youtube and wou'll see that there are many apps being worked on. The iPhones place in the market shows that customizable phones aren't what everyone needs but only what some want.
[Windows Phone 7 General] markus_del_marko:
the UI is atrocious and there is hardly any interest in this os around the net. i give it 3 months and android will be ported to these phones, bank on that!
[Windows Phone 7 General] paperclips:
Beauty is subjective. Android is the ugliest OS out right now behind both iOS and WebOS IMO. Around the net where? Is there anything to report really other than it's coming out? We know it has it's advantages and disadvantages over other operating systems.
[Windows Phone 7 General] markus_del_marko:
im not here to get in a pissing contest with you but android is far from ugly. i can customize it any way i wish. correct me if im wrong but don't you own a droid too? :rolleyes:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=7571282&postcount=43

wp7 without our devs cracking it or creating themes/roms to me means it will be a fail! i suggest you do a google search and see the lackluster interest in the upcoming wp7 line. i give credit to the OP, if it even looked anywhere as nice as his concept i might, might consider buying one.
[Windows Phone 7 General] paperclips:
Just because I own it doesn't mean that I think it looks the best. I was actually referring to Vanilla. It has been discussed many times before that Android does not have a consistent UI. Thats why I bought Android with Sense, it creates something that isn't well... Vanilla.

I hope you know that we are in the incredible minority when it comes to hardware sales. The fate of WP7 will not be affected whether or not the devs do something great with it. It still has a huge banner on Engadget about its in depth review which has a lot of comments, guess some people like it. Not to mention that over 200k people downloaded the Beta Dev Tools.

Like I said, beauty is subjective. If you prefer this variation of Sense, thats good for you. I believe this concept is made pretty well, but prefer the stock UI over it. It's like you think MS wants people to anticipate WP7 at this moment when they don't since it would make the wait seem longer. marketing will start in about 2 months. For some reason you think everyone shares your opinion on this when there are many people who are different.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Why do people keep mentioning the Zune? Why?

How many people have you seen with a Zune? Any kind of Zune? Honestly I've only seen one! After all these years, one!
[Windows Phone 7 General] paperclips:
...what? I don't see how thats relevant really.
[Windows Phone 7 General] markus_del_marko:
i have no idea why you didn't just stick to winmo then. your really not making any valid points here. i don't see wp7 even making a small dent in the market next to droid or dare i say apple.
[Windows Phone 7 General] markus_del_marko:
+1000.. i have NEVER even seen one or known anyone with one. so using the zune interface is "soo awesome" is a retarded reply. microsoft should of just improved on what they had and let htc do the rest with sense.
[Windows Phone 7 General] paperclips:
What? I never owned a WM phone. Before this I was on AT&T with an iPhone. What phone on Verizon is better than the Droid Incredible? I liked the form factor and the fact it had an AMOLED. You're not making any sense at all. All you've done is make assumptions based on nothing.

Why does that matter? I've never seen anyone with a Droid incredible, Droid X, Evo4G, or a Samsung Galaxy S but I can honestly say that they're all good products regardless of sales. In fact, I've never seen someone with an Android Phone with Sense, does that mean I can't say that Android with Sense is good?
[Windows Phone 7 General] markus_del_marko:
im basing my facts on xda & ppcgeeks along with alot of other tech sites that's members deem wp7 as a failure. not everyone...but most and i whole heartily agree!
[Windows Phone 7 General] krjcook:
You've only seen one? I've seen numerous. The other day I seen like 5 while at the GYM. 2 old brown bricks 1 small one, and 2 sexy red models. Yes Zune aren't popular, but they're not bad. Just check out the reviews, some critics even claimed them to be better than the ipod variant. the Zune devices have sold over 55million despite being America only.
[Windows Phone 7 General] markus_del_marko:
off topic but i hope microsoft doesn't get on this metroUI trip and try to make windows 8 have it as a default theme. ive heard rumors of that too. :mad:
[Windows Phone 7 General] _LeCiel_:
OK, you're guys really getting off topic now.

I'm not saying 'Talk only about my concept' 'cause honestly everything has been said already, but if you want to continue this pointless argument who has a bigger... ehkem... better OS:cool: just PM each other.:p

Just to keep the rest of you updates - I was contacted by a developer who wants to make my Sense 3 concept real. He'll be creating the UI from scratch so it won't be a theme for one of the current UIs but something completely new. If everything goes as planned I'll be making all the graphics and in a couple of weeks the UI should be available for download.;)

Pretty cool, huh?:)
[Windows Phone 7 General] paperclips:
People on tech websites don't make up the world. Most consumers don't visit these sites at all. According to many Android and WinMo enthusiasts, the iPhone sucks. Like I said, we are the minority. What we say or predict, has no effect on how well these devices will or will not sell. You act as if the world has complained about WP7 when hardly any of it know what it is. So like I said, your assumptions are based upon nothing. Nothing you or I read or see knows how great something is going to sell. For example, my favorite tech site is Engadget. Engadget has some great writers that stayed neutral about WP7 through their whole preview of it. Anyone can see how easily MS can market this OS. Xbox Live alone is going to be a great selling point with it being the biggest online gaming platform in the world. Native Office and Exchange support suits buisness users well. Zune and social networking integration fits the casual consumer well. Minimalism is the most popular design sense right now, MS combines that with an incredibly intuitive interface that will be shipped out November in the U.S. How can you say something with so much potential is easily going to be a failure? Because some guys on the internet says it sucks? Because some guy designed an alternative that you like more? Maybe you should stop jumping to assumptions and just wait for it to come out.

Understood. I realized this as well and should have just stopped earlier.

This is going to be on WM?
[Windows Phone 7 General] _LeCiel_:
Yes, like the majority of custom UI's (if not all of them). For the HD2 in particular but should probably work on any WVGA device.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mornixuur:
Exactly my point. Because we are talking about Metro + Sense! It will be very interesting to see what Microsoft will do for all those manufacturers who want people to know they bought their brand.

Whether you don't care about real estate on your homescreen isn't really the point. I want it used in a way that looks good and is efficient for a small screen. This layout isn't. The argument about new people is weird unless one could customize because with a phone you will be new maybe for a few days are so. This is not rocket science and people should be stuck with a design for newbies.

Don't know why you talk about stretching tiles. They could be resized and arranged differently. I see various possebilities other than a small ugly arrow.

Sigh. Well i have a hard time believing you don't see it. I mean i can understand if you don't care about it or find it nice to look at. Count yourself lucky if you don't see it. It means you don't have to invest large amounts of money into expensive displays... ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] unknownrebelx:
Looks amazing. Also shows that Microsoft can stick to their stupid "Metro" concept without giving up the eye candy. Just the black "Sense" skin around the different widget box things makes a ton of difference. That with the custom wallpaper makes the phone actually look .... modern. I really do NOT like the stock WP7 interface. Too bland and cluttered.

You should be hired on the spot man! :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] fatbrainstorm:
Wow,

can i buy this Phone ;-)

Great work!
[Windows Phone 7 General] paperclips:
Sense with metro is something that is going to be interesting. I can't imagine how they could pull it off while not breaking the metro look. I also don't see what apps they could offer since the media player and photo viewer can't really be any better than the zune integration. A smart dialer would be nice though I guess.

Seriously, I doubt that this will be a major con to wp7. It doesn't take up too much of the screen to me. If you reside the tiles to make them fit the margins that look correctly then they will be way too big. Probably a good 4.5 tiles on the screen at a time. I don't see how this layout isn't good for a small screen. I'm assuming the screen won't go under 3 inch so it should be around the sizable of a zune hd, which was very easy to use.

I love the way AMOLED screens show. I haven't heard any complaints at all about pixelation from ips comparisons. Only the controversial oversaturation which many users disagree with. When it comes to expensive displays, my $1100 ultrasharp would beg to differ. I'm a graphic designer.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Ramonchito2:
Sickness!

Wow, what a step up from the old one. I see where you were going with the old concept, and it had some potential with some corrections. I would get this, the one with out the buttons, I like the Evo's touch buttons instead of the HD2's actual ones.

I agree, it is missing the HTC logo, maybe the logo could be painted into the speaker frame, something like this. (I just felt like editing the pic, so I threw something together :) )

Everyone has their own opinions, and that is what they are, opinions (what I said is very well my opinion... but it's true...). If you don't like something, that's great, but doesn't mean no one else will love it. Probably like many of the persons here on this site, they like to mod things. I actually like the Win Phone 7 design, it is very smooth, simple, and I would love to have it one day... but giving the phone it's own personality (in my viewpoint), is what will really make the phone my baby.

That being said, thumbs up for your concept sir, shake those haters off!
[Windows Phone 7 General] jenotc:
Just a thought

In my mind this UI is mind boggling.

There is only one thing that I would prefer!!!

The clock in sense UI is bigger. It is the sense UI signature that you have removed.

I hate small clock .. that is why I am such a huge fan of HTC sense.

In your graphics there is enough space in top centre to make clock bigger and more interesting. It also would leave enough space for future mod possibilities (for example like Co0kie ones).

Quickly made some graphical illustration of what I mean.