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[XPERIA X10 General] Anandc:
Damn!!

But I have a feeling that 2.1 Update is going to make X10 even way better than this cause let's think in a different way. They taking hell lot of time for 2.1 as they need to customize the UI with 2.1 but am sure there is going to be much more to it. Still 2.1 video does not really show much but it could be an old video which is just posted right now.

Now there has to be a plan from SE point of view for luanching X10 in USA after EVO 4G, Droid success and now Droid X and HTC devices. Well I'm sure there is a lot more to come on X10 by 2011.

Even more is WM7 is on it's way and I really think it's going to do something but not as big as Android. So for sometime the attention is going to go towards it while 3.0 will hit after WM7 bubble. So considering all that, I think SE will be busy preparing WM7 device to roll out and in that time we might get 2.2 in Q1 2011.

I hope this happens LOL :D

Good luck SE but for now, be quick with 2.1 update. I need Flash and other apps :)
[XPERIA X10 General] fonzthegreat:
people should stop getting pissed when other people request for MT. I love my x10, I could care less about pinch zoom and MT in games. What I noticed is inaccuracy of button presses. Ive used swype, the standard and the stock android keyboard, and the phone has a hard time keeping up with button presses. I just hope hope SE can make UXP competitive when 2.1 hits with the veteran UI which are already about to hit 2.2 . :(
[XPERIA X10 General] ronnyuk:
Lol you don't know jack **** whether the X10 has MT or Duel touch all you know is what some drone from SE has been scripted to say, I would guess MT/DT was taken off the X10i due to limitations of 1.6 and the ongoing legal arguments with Apple and HTC. The x10 mini has a MT/DT screen and costs half the price of the X10i, so odds are that the X10i has either a Clearpad 2000 or 3000 and MT/DT can be added at a later date.

Pinch to zoom etc will be available on the X10i it's just a case of when....

Duel touch = Pinch to Zoom
[XPERIA X10 General] Contrarian:
Same goes with all the BS about 256mb ram not being enough to run Froyo. Bollocks.

If you can operate windows xp and Xubuntu on a PC using 256mb RAM you should be able to run a tiny linux kernel on a 2.5" or 4" screen. Developers/phone manufacturers are just too lazy to tweak the OS for optimal performance.
[XPERIA X10 General] ddewbofh:
Lets follow the logic of your statement regarding the mini then. X10 mini uses a common aspect ratio found on other devices, how many other 4 inch 480x854 devices do you know?

Sure the physical size of the Minis display is smaller than most others on the market but it's a standard resolution while it's big brother has a less common true 16:9 display.

It's not a massive stretch to consider that the non-standard display of the X10 Maxi doesn't have DT or MT for economic reasons.

To claim that DT will come to the X10 without any evidence at all and official word that it won't happen is a little extreme, especially when the hardware is unknown.
[XPERIA X10 General] zdzihu:
And what the LCD resolution has to do with digitizer, which is a separate part?
[XPERIA X10 General] phoneguy 4567:
How offical was the offical word that MT won't happen? Who was the person putting out the offical statement, name & title of the person?

This seems to indicate that MT is possible

http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Son...h-upgrade-to-Android-2.1-article-a_10871.html

& this

http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Ten...itouch-on-the-Xperia-X10-article-a_10944.html
[XPERIA X10 General] zephyrix:
Both sources are off the same site.

Second one is just double tap but looks like multitouch.

Stop wasting time.
[XPERIA X10 General] ddewbofh:
My reasoning goes like this:

With "standard" resolutions there are already plenty of solutions for interpreting touches, their locations and translating them to where on the screen that is. With an odd resolution or a custom display that might be trickier.

This reasoning stems from when I played around with Linux and Mac OS X on my capacitive multitouch tablet pc about 18-24 months ago. The controller for the touchscreen went weird once you deviated from the standard resolutions which seemed almost hardcoded. It wouldn't register touches correctly or even misplace them entirely like on the edge of the panel.

I'm not saying that this is the case here, but it might be a possibility. I've not looked at the technical datasheets for the panel in the X10 so I don't know how it handles the raw data. I'm just speculating based on previous experience with touch panels.
[XPERIA X10 General] cvchetan:
guys this thread is about 2.1.. not abt multitouch or dual touch

so pls cut the mt/dt part and stop getting mad at each other...

do not make way for the closure of this thread...

chetan
[XPERIA X10 General] phoneguy 4567:
Wasn't MT, DT one of the major features introduced in 2.1? If so how is talking about it in a thread about 2.1 considered off topic?
[XPERIA X10 General] -PiLoT-:
ok its clarification you want?

we don't mind the discussion. its part of what's make us a community but what we don't want is people *****ing at each other those people will have the accounts monitored
[XPERIA X10 General] phoneguy 4567:
There are other pages talking about it too like http://www.intomobile.com/2010/04/16/xperia-x10-may-see-multi-touch-afterall/ which itself refers to another site. I think it's common for tech blogs to all refer to the same source for a story.

I'm just pointing out that the X10 may get MT & that it shouldn't be ruled out just because of some "offical" statement, who knows if it actually will.
[XPERIA X10 General] Anandc:
I agree.

:)
[XPERIA X10 General] ddewbofh:
Just keep in mind that the source for the claimed MT support is hearsay. Whenever someone claims something using "someone on the inside" as a source you should be cautious. In this case it's probably better to consider the official word as a fact and hold off on speculation until we have information about the hardware saying differently.
[XPERIA X10 General] zephyrix:
I never said that it was impossible, just that you can't tell given the current situation, thus discussing it is a waste of time.
[XPERIA X10 General] Anandc:
What he says, makes sense. Cause when SE confirmed no MT, it was on March.

And then suddenly when you google SE MT, you see other articles stating Possible MT on X10 on the month of April.

Eg

"There's no multitouch in X10 – and I also can confirm that it's not only related to [software] but also to [hardware]," said product manager Rikard Skogberg at the official company blog

http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/28/xperia-x10-multitouch-issue-hardware-related/

March 28, 2010

British retailer mobiles.co.uk -- a wholly-owned subsidiary of giant Carphone Warehouse, for what it's worth -- is claiming a "man on the inside" as saying that the X10 actually can do multitouch after all, despite word from a Sony Ericsson product manager to the contrary. In fact, not only can it do multitouch, but it will do multitouch through a software update in the second half of the year, the source goes on to say. This all ties in nicely with the dude's claim that the X10 will see an official update to Android 2.1 in September, a window that dovetails rather nicely with Sony Ericsson's official line of 2H 2010.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/16/sony-ericsson-x10-can-do-multitouch-after-all-will-get-android/

April 16, 2010
[XPERIA X10 General] becknise:
Seriously why can you lot just shush about multi touch and wait for 2.1 which would comfirm if X10 has it or not. If y'all wanna argue, just meet up somewhere and do that. Stop *****ing here about **** and get on with ya lives.
[XPERIA X10 General] berbecverde:
As i see it, it's a civilized discussion, so i see no reason to speak like that.and since this is a place were people meet up and discuss, i think they are in the right place.

So if you do not want or have anything to say about the subject then..just dont.:)
[XPERIA X10 General] Bennachie:
I don't care about multi whatever, I just want to hear people who phone me in a busy street or outdoors.

Will 2.1 increase incall phone volume. That is all I want to know from SE (or anyone else)

X10 is a phone.....................

It has a primary function and is not too good at it. A wonderful device, yes but a mediocre phone. I don't know about anyone else but I have primary devices to do the net and email and such. I need a p-h-o-n-e and having the net and email and stuff on it is a definite advantage BUT it is supposed to be a p-h-o-n-e.

Oh, SE. Did I mention that I needed a phone? One that has voice dialling and a bluetooth transferable phonebook would be good too so I can legally use the phone in a car, you know like the phones I had five years ago? SE phones?

So, in summary, I want increased call volume and a transferable phone book and bluetooth voice dialling from 2.1.

Not much to ask ............................. is it?
[XPERIA X10 General] spark001uk:
OK folks not much of an update but it shows we're nearly there. Just spoke to a nice lady at SE UK customer service a few minutes ago, and they say they're pretty sure on two to four weeks now, and furthermore she also said there's actually a couple of x10 floating around their call centre now with 2.1 on it for them to have a play around with. So not long now by the looks of it! :)
[XPERIA X10 General] yetep:
... since when was the x10 a phone?
[XPERIA X10 General] berbecverde:
Not WAS, it's still a PHONE, a smart one but a PHONE.:confused:
[XPERIA X10 General] instigator008:
Bet it leaks before then!
[XPERIA X10 General] cesar527:
new from SE

In the Highlight text you can read we will get a update in a short time.

hehehehhe!!!!!

and... when?
[XPERIA X10 General] Willey1986:
Yeah, like "right after release" means "end of the year" for SE, or next week means next month etc etc
[XPERIA X10 General] metcard:
Update is due in 2 weeks time. ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] mezo9090:
That's news. ...

sent from my x10i that is banging for a 2.1 upgrade. ...
[XPERIA X10 General] anjo2:
This is not the 2.1, only a normal update, maybe R2BA030.

2.1 is will be out in September, probably in the last days of the month...
[XPERIA X10 General] se_dude:
How an you so that so assuredly?
[XPERIA X10 General] kafej666:
becouse He still belives in info from SE
[XPERIA X10 General] jingkailim:
Hey read news about sept releasing or dec. so far all dec come with some proof. and solid proof of sept. i sick of waiting blindly
[XPERIA X10 General] ykolin:
how is the call quality?

how is the texting speed and lagg during texting?

Mediacape lagging or not when u open it up, how quick it opens?

any change in Mediascape ?

the brightness of flash light improved?

how many screens 3 or more?

how loud the music in headset in comparison before upgrade?

the camera, how quick it opens when you press dedicated camera button?

when you press and hold when "Add to Home screen" pop up, how many widgets are there, all of the fone or only some of apps?

graphicly, any changes to folders or widgets?

screen brightness is better?

picture quality is better than before?
[XPERIA X10 General] big_raji:
Hi gbil,

I know you haven't replied to any of the posts/questions on here for over a week, so I'm not sure if you're looking into issues that people are having with the current X10 ROM and comparing it to your 2.1 ROM.

I'm wondering if you could look into whether the X10 now supports Exchange accounts natively in Android without using Moxier software. If needed, I can create and provide an Exchange server account for you to test it with. I know 2.1 is supposed to support it, but I'm wondering if Sony has locked that out and forced us to stick with Moxier for some reason.
[XPERIA X10 General] pngface:
I think it should be supporting it... the only reason SE gave us Moxier is because 1.6 doesn't natively support it
[XPERIA X10 General] big_raji:
That's definitely my hope, but Sony has done some weird stuff in the past. As you can see from my sig, I've owned my fair share of Sony and Ericsson products, and seen them individually and jointly do some silly things.
[XPERIA X10 General] Hyur:
Then i hope to god that SE will make moxier removable when 2.1 hits.
[XPERIA X10 General] pngface:
I don't expect the 2.1 build to even have Moxier... I think it was more of a temporary solution for SE
[XPERIA X10 General] becknise:
Good news

Ok some news about 2.1 update from sonyericssonUK twitter ''Hi Raj, The upgrade to Android 2.1 is due for release on all Sony Ericsson X10 handsets in the UK before the end of quarter 3'' not sure if this applies to other countries.
[XPERIA X10 General] james_2k:
nice thanks .
[XPERIA X10 General] phoneguy 4567:
Isn't the Activesync Exchange support in 2.1 limited & for the most part useless in work places, because most companies require security features that the 2.1 built in support doesn't have? If this is the case getting rid of the 3rd party software may be a step backwards, unless it too doesn't provide these security features.
[XPERIA X10 General] Chewitt:
030 cant exist, there has been no certification request put in for it, the next in the line of updates moves to R2CA it was found out a month ago was that. So the next update unless they make a last min very very small one to fix a massive issue that they are forced to fix for some reason will be 2.1.
[XPERIA X10 General] Bennachie:
Hope it gets rid of the stupid 'lock after call' function (so called). Drives me insane.

INSANE, do you hear!..............................................

Doctor.:mad:
[XPERIA X10 General] Avin1973:
That will never be released in Brazil, it seems, oh crap...
[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
While I totally understand where you're coming from... I almost always instinctively press the Power button when I end a call anyway, locking the phone.

Think about it though. It makes total sense. If a call was ended by the other party, whether on purpose or not, and your face was still against the screen, it can now start running apps/whatever while you're unaware that the call was dropped.

I'm not sure how the iPhone or other Android phones handle after the call, but I imagine there's some sort of protection built in to prevent what I'm talking about.

I agree 100% that it should be a toggle box option however, instead of their way only.
[XPERIA X10 General] Slave1:
Moxier doesnt ask for a 6 PIN like Froyo or Touchdown do, with my companys server. However of the solutions Ive tried only Touchdown seems to support HTML.
[XPERIA X10 General] vayson:
is the multi touch feature available?thx!
[XPERIA X10 General] -PiLoT-:
i read that in a geordie accent :P

as a mackem i cant help it lol
[XPERIA X10 General] spark001uk:
Here's a good question- I wonder if the 2.1 update will install on SEUS in the usual manner, ie keeping all apps/settings etc, or whether it will only let you install it fresh (wiping the phone first) ?

By the way, I read on SE's twitter channel earlier that the x10's touchscreen is DEFINITELY NOT multi-touch capable, and that's from the horse's mouth!
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
Android customization, yes. X10 customization, no. Unless of course you are willing to void your warranty and have to constantly search, plus trial and error your own updates!

SE hardware is so amazing that this X10 is not only

NOT

in amongst the first devices to support flash 10.1, but even after waiting almost a year for them to tweak and tune, it will still

NOT

have flash 10.1. Way to go SE!

What will the 2.1 update give you? HD camera and live wall paper, WOW stop the presses!

Mean while the list of devices offering tethering, HD, and flash right out of the box is growing larger by the day.

Typical! But don't worry SE, there are at least a half a dozen people here on XDA that will defend you. :eek:
[XPERIA X10 General] spark001uk:
I can't believe SE, are you saying that even the 2.1 update won't bring flash support?
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
Bingo, give that man a ci-gar. However, I am sure there will eventually be a work around. Only it will not come from SE, so buyer beware.
[XPERIA X10 General] berbecverde:
flash support only in 2.2 Froyo.:)
[XPERIA X10 General] spark001uk:
I tell you what, i don't know about buyer, but i'm inches.. no.. millimetres away from being the seller of this piece of junk!

Any recommendations? All i want is a fairly decent camera, with an ordinary flash rather than a "photo lamp", 2.1 os, native flash support, and a WVGA screen with MT. All of which is pitifully too much to ask of SE!
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
I am still amazed by the number of people who do not see this SE pattern.

1) release a device with the latest ground breaking hardware

2) rush it to market (or at least make people think that you have)

3) promise an update (but leave out the fact that this update will still not include what SE know you were expecting)

4) wait

5) wait some more

6) still waiting

7) finally update the device which will still fall short of other device on the market that are also now using the same ground breaking hardware as your SE(but the others will have the software that SE customers were expecting on their devices).

8) announce the release of SE's next device that will include software you were expecting on your last device (which by now might as well be obsolete).

9) repeat steps 1-8
[XPERIA X10 General] spark001uk:
You've hit the nail square on the head there mate! So where do you reckon i should go? Galaxy? Droid? HTC?
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
By the looks of what you are in the market for you should go with the new (dare I say it) iphone 4.

It won't be flash 10.1 but HTML5 is exploading right now; that is in terms of sites offering it. Even two of the three major US TV networks have announced their intent to drop Flash for HTML5. I believe those are ABC and NBC.

Flash is looking more and more like going the route of betamax. So HTML5 is a safe bet.
[XPERIA X10 General] Polypropylen:
Isn't septembre already Q4 ?

Btw i'm from germany!
[XPERIA X10 General] spark001uk:
Q1= jan feb mar

Q2= apr may jun

Q3= jul aug sep

Q4= oct nov dec
[XPERIA X10 General] Tjotte:
I still can not believe ppl don't have the slightest qlue what the heck they're talking/complaning about!! 2.1 Eclair NEVER DID SUPPORT FLASH IN THE FIRST PLACE! Stop blaming everything on SE, yes I agree we're behind regarding OS BUT, SE did fix alot of the setbacks with Donut. SE has been totally honest sofar about this device, they did tell us before the very release in April that it lacks multitouch, they did tell us that it will ship with Donut, they DID tell us that 2.x will release in Q3, and short after that anouncement came that it would in fact be 2.1 Eclair. I just can not belive ppl spending ALOT of money on a device, not knowing a slightest thing about it, and then start *****ing about it not beeing what they expected! well buhu, I don't feel sorry for you! So SE may be a bit slow, but they are honest! For the last time, READ before BUY!
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
No. Each quarter is three months. So Q4 starts the first of October. From everything I have read it would look like SE is serious about getting the 2.1 out some time in the last week of this month. So that would be Q3. But don't hold your breath.

More important than when the update gets released is what will it provide the end user. 1.6 to 2.1 is not a big leap. In fact I would say it is a joke that users have had to wait this long for it. Wall paper live and HD are not really game changers.

However, tethering and flash would bring the X10 up to speed with what is available on the market. Neither will be available for X10 customers.

I think I speak for a large number of users here when I say that I have been waiting for flash since the p900 came out. The fact that the X10 does not and will not support it is a deal breaker for me; considering that the list of device that give you this out of the box is getting larger by the day.
[XPERIA X10 General] berbecverde:
We do not know for sure that the X10 will never have Flash support.:)

Maybe SE will release 2.2 in Q4,or 2011 Q1.

But if not maybe the devs will succeed in cracking the bootloader and give us 2.2 and even more.:)who knows...

So people be more optimistic...please:D
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
Don't get angry because there are owners who disagree with you. SE is doing what they always do. Has SE been honest? Yes and No. SE did state fairly early what updates should be expected and give a time frame. But, it was not before or at release like some would have you to believe. The full disclosure was a few weeks after release. So for those that rushed to be amongst the first to buy, they have every right to be angry.

Further, SE was in contact with Adobe and Google back in Feb to discuss flash and they knew that 10.1 would only be supported on Android 2.2 or newer back than. Did they lie to anyone? Technically, no! They just didn't let it be known that they planned a device that would not support the latest software. SE took advantage of the markets lack of knowledge. The market itself did not find out this until June. SE are completely taking advantage of their customers. And, it is exactly the same thing with ever new SE flagship device.

I know there are those that would see things the way you do. However, the majority of those people who would agree with your opinion (that is based on misreprestation) have never owned a SE flagship device before!

To the majority of us that have been dedicated SE customers for nearly a decade or more, this is SE business as usual.
[XPERIA X10 General] hiraj_panosian:
Those who are complaining (like me in the past) Should all buy a Galaxy S, I did 2months ago and its a great relief;)
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
The differences between 1.6 and 2.1 are slight. The differences between 2.1 and 2.2 are major. It has been a half of a year wait for basically wall paper live and HD. And, you still don't have it! How long do you think you will wait for tethering and flash support? I love your optimisim, but don't hold your breath.

I rooted my X1; it was great fun. I spent months getting all the latest everything, and I had my X1 humming. Than I got tired. Now I don't even want to waste my time searching for which update I should trouble shoot to my device that is no longer humming. It sure was great at the time but I don't ever want to have to do it again.

I can just go and buy a device that does everything out of the box that I was expecting my X10 to do.