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[Droid Incredible General] Kipphh:
Im fairly new but have a semi firm grasp on these kinda projects but Im curious this looks like different command lines then what I read in a different thread and that I have been using. Before you enter these command lines is there anything else you have to enter in terminal such as sdk because this is what ive been following.

1. Download the Android SDK and unzip it onto your desktop

2. Rename the folder SDK (this is for easier terminal navigation"

3. Reboot your phone into recovery from the main menu select Partitions Menu then select Mount/System

4. Now open up terminal and type cd desktop/sdk/tools hit enter

5. Now type ./adb shell hit enter

6. Next type mkdir /system/app.disabled hit enter

7. Next type mv /system/app/VZW_MyVerizon.apk /system/app.disabled hit enter

8. Next type mv /system/app/VZW_Skype.apk /system/app.disabled hit enter

9. Next type mv /system/app/VzNav.apk /system/app.disabled hit enter

10. Next type mv /system/app/VVM.apk /system/app.disabled hit enter

11. Next type mv /system/app/CityID.apk /system/app.disabled hit enter

12. Now type Exit hit enter

13. Now on your phone in the partitions menu select mount/system
[Droid Incredible General] IShootPixels:
Is this the best way to get rid of these apps and widgets? About the only thing that I use is Backup Asst for my contacts. I use FaceBook but NOT the HTC version because I don't like it linked to my contacts. The rest of this stuff is all garbage that I want to get rid of on my phone now that I've got Froyo.

I can't stand that I have to use task killer all of the time to get rid of Swype and FootPrints amongst other things. I don't even use the damn apps.

Thanks in advance.

EDIT: and is this REMOVING the apps or moving them? Thanks.
[Droid Incredible General] Honestly77:
It's simply renaming the apps so the phone doesn't load them. They are still in /system/wherever and can be restored by changing the name from .apkb or .apkwhatever back to just .apk.

Your phone won't recongize them so they won't run or be installed but are very much there. In android it is always good to just rename things then to delete them...fc's and no way to restore them for some can really mess **** up.
[Droid Incredible General] jitajt:
you should be able to substitute the .apk with .odex

eg.. /system/bin/mv /system/app/HtcFootprints.odex /system/app/HtcFootprints.odexb

this should work for all files that have a .odex file, if there is no .odex file for it, you will just get a "no such file" or something like that and you can move on to the next file.
[Droid Incredible General] Honestly77:
I know...but not everyone else does...and a lot of people here couldn't run adb without having their hand held or copying and pasting so I was just askin.
[Droid Incredible General] jitajt:
I figured you knew, I was just quoting your post so other people knew what I was posting about.
[Droid Incredible General] lowkey9:
Not really sure which app did it but moving one of these put my phone into a boot loop and I had to do a nandroid restore.
[Droid Incredible General] IShootPixels:
Thanks to Honestly for the info. I'm always a bit nervous about completely deleting something when I'm not to sure about what I'm doing in the first place.

EDIT: I wasn't able to get Teeter, CityID, or My Verizon to work. Is it because they don't read like the rest? Example: /system/bin/mv /system/app/VZW_Skype.apk (THIS PART MISSING IN THOSE THREE~~> /system/app/) VZW_Skypeb.apkb
[Droid Incredible General] onetimeuse:
Thanks for the helpful info :)
[Droid Incredible General] unreal2k:
My apologies, you are correct. I forgot to add the /system/app/ on the second part of the command. I will update the post to correct the issues. Thanks.
[Droid Incredible General] unreal2k:
If you setup some accounts such as Facebook and the VZ backup before you removed the apk's you will have FC and possible loop boots. Otherwise these commands should not have created any problems.

The best time to remove all these programs is right after you install the rom.
[Droid Incredible General] jasek78:
yeah vz back up assistant FCs on me when i try to get into sync but i can't remember how to push the file back under adb lol
[Droid Incredible General] {tpc}:
Hate to bump an old thread but....I want to remove a bunch of apps I don't use. I have a program call "File Manager" which has a setting for "root explorer" and a setting to "mount" system as writable. Would it be acceptable to rename these files from within that application? I would assume at that point a simple reboot and they would no longer show up in my app drawer?

The stuff I don't use is:

Facebook

Friend Stream

Peep

Skype

Quickoffice

Slacker

Teeter

VZW Backup Assistant

DSP Manager

Twitter (though its not in my app drawer even though apk is present in system/app)

Flickr (again, not in app drawer)

Carpanel

I also noticed that there are two apks in there as well for things like facebook. There is facebook and htcfacebook. Would I rename both of those?
[Droid Incredible General] cmlusco:
You can rename them, move them, delete them (not reccomended), or use an app like titanium backup and several others to freeze the apps. You can rename all the facebook apks if you do not use facebook on your phone at all. If you delete widgets it will leave empty or wrong selections in the add widget menu.
[Epic 4G General] kgold708:
So yesterday I got the email from sprint,followed the link and it took me to a "comming soon" page....WTF. So I call sprint, rep asked someone else in the room and said aug. 20. Then I figured I Might as well confirm contract pricing and stuff. She said that the $10/mo. Fee allows higher speed/wider bandwidth connection even on 3g network locations. Can evo owners confirm or deny this?

She also seemed to hint that we might get some sort of pre-notification/pre-order email if your on that list or whatever, I think its all just some sort of bass aackwords social media campain to keep us talking about it...........epic 4g..epic 4g..epic 4g..epic 4g,can I have my phone now?

Evo 4g still is only at select locations "due to unprecidented demand" WTF. Sprint you better pull your head out of your bass and hook an "early adoptor" up.
[Epic 4G General] radar5:
ummm, what?
[Epic 4G General] Dman10:
That's what I would've said.

Anyway does anyone know if the Epic 4g is gonna cost that $10 extra a month? It's not really all that big of a deal but I still wanna know.
[Epic 4G General] Nefariouss:
I'd bet 10$ it will. Its here to stay on 4g phones.
[Epic 4G General] Aridon:
Yes its going to cost the extra 10.
[Epic 4G General] Kcarpenter:
I can assure you that they are no faster on 3g than we are. 3g is '3g' is "3g" is EVDO RevA. The technologies don't allow for one device to be different than than other one. The towers don't give an EVO a priority over a Hero, its just not how things work. If the EVO does get a better speed test its because it can process the data faster, so if a website feels like it loads faster - it probably does - but its all in rendering not in the network.

And yes, the $10.00 fee will be there. I am not sure what everyones big deal is with it. It gives you the ability to hit 4G if you can, its a lot easier for sprint to tell you that you can connect to 4G regardless of where you live than for them to keep track of 4G users and non 4G users.

Given I do think they need a 3g super phone for those of you who are complaining.
[Epic 4G General] harrybozack:
All about the fee...

Try out explainthefee dot com
[Epic 4G General] kgold708:
Ok so I kind of accepted what she said ( I don't argue with children or uninformed people),but I asked "sooo the fee makes me somekind of priority user?" She replied "yes" I said "ummm ok". Please understand that I'm not saying she was right or truthful. Also when I went into the sprint store to ask about coverage in my little 3 stoplight town they had multiple overlapping signal strength maps on their terminal (3 I think). They were telling me yes your in 3g coverage area, yes your in area for cell modem, hotspot at home etc. Its my understanding all of these devices operate on the same network, but at differant speeds usually, isn't a cell modem plan more than adding data coverage and also faster? IDK maybe cell modem users do have priority.

The reason makes sense to me is because I use to move pretty often and I had a blackberry pearl that I bought when it first came out specifically for use as usb tether modem. Whenever the local high school let out for the day my connection would take a dump, so I would call T-mobile and explain my problem," is there anything you can do, this is a really important work project? They'd say hold on ill try to boost your network priority. I did this 2-3 times a week and it seemed to work, every time I called in I got the same response,T-mo RIM support had their own dept. Back in the day and they were actually quite good. This took place from 4-2 years ago.
[Epic 4G General] kgold708:
Disclaimer

I am not a lawyer, don't play one on tv, and didn't sleep in a holiday inn express lastnight.
[Epic 4G General] rufflez2010:
You could just choose not to have Sprint. You always have that choice. They aren't adding the fee to current subscribers without possibly using the service. Unlike the other carriers with similar products, the user experience IS very different. I don't know if its your website, or a website you're just fond of. But if you really want to make Sprint pay for their $10 fee, then don't use them. Even with the $10 fee, they still sold out on the Evo, maybe its because their service isn't half-bad for what you do pay for.

Would you complain to the BBB about AT&T just announcing tiered data plans? No, because there is nothing you can do about it. Want an Iphone 4, pay for your extra data you'll use. VZW will go this way soon enough.
[Epic 4G General] itsmebryan:
They are charging $10 extra a month on all of their 4G phones now. They charge evo $10 extra for the chance to use 4G if you can find it.
[Epic 4G General] kgold708:
Ok so I went to explainthefee.com read the transcript and some other stuff. My guess is that some mid level exec. business school graduate got his hot little hands on a evo, flexed its muscles and decided that they "could/should" charge more. Keep in mind 2 things, firstly these guys running the companies don't understand/care about "fringe users like us" their personal phones are not rooted/overclocked/themed they have no idea!,they may have never bothered using youtube etc. On a smaller screeen device. Secondly the new CEO of sprint turned the company around and wanted to offer the lowest priced plans available with the most everything. They want it both ways and that's why they can't answer a simple question "what am I paying for".

I guess the 10$ is for..........Ummm well were not going to restructure our entire rate plan menu because of one device are we? I mean we signed a contract for 1.5m rate plan pamplets, and those little signs in all the stores.........etc.

I say

after

the epic is released we start a serious email/bbb campain they don't seem to have any firm ground to stand on. They will raise all rate plans $10 or more and allow us our legacy plans without the $10 fee.

Remember AFTER epic release............... Say 10 days?
[Epic 4G General] gophergun:
Indeed, as far as I know, what they're doing is essentially unheard of in the US. I wasn't into phones as much back in 2002 or so when 3G first got started, but I do know that nowadays you don't have to pay an extra surcharge for EDGE over GPRS, or HSPA over EDGE (apologies for the GSM examples). You pay for Internet on other carriers, plain and simple. It would be slightly easier to take if they at least gave you the choice to not use their 4G Internet, especially since it might not be available where you live anyway, and they may have no plans to make it available.
[Epic 4G General] kgold708:
BTW Thank You harrybozack for explainthefee.com

All future epic owners and sprint customers should be aware of

explainthefee.com and their efforts.

explainthefee.com

Epic4g...epic4g...epic4g...epic4g...epic4g...epic4g...epic4g...epic 4g...epic 4g...epic 4g...epic 4g......

Can I purchase my phone now?
[Epic 4G General] entropism:
You do realize that when the iPhone 3G came out, they jacked up the cost of the internet plans on AT&T right? I THINK it was $20 for the 1st gen, and $30 for the 3G.
[Epic 4G General] kgold708:
reply

Firstly we are Android users, and as such I don't drink from the kool-aid cup of at&t/steve jobs/apple. Secondly at&t aplies their rates evenly on all users. Would I pay more

per month

For a i4 vs i3gs?

And in conclusion what product or service is being provided for $10/mo. Or $120/yr Or in my case $240/yr? Am I renting a big screen/fast processor/whatever, in addition to paying for the device and service?
[Epic 4G General] Mistiq:
I'm sorry but I'm so tired of reading about the $10 fee, (Did a lot of lurking on the EVO forums before it released)

The $10 sucks, but it does allow you to access 4G in various locations around the country. Out of the 5 or 6 Cities I'm visiting in the next year, 4G is everywhere but Wichita so I won't be missing out.

Even then, paying $79.99 for a plan is still cheaper than what you would pay with AT&T and Verizon.

If you're too upset to pay the fee, it's not that hard to switch to another company that offers a comparable high level android phone and not have to pay that $10. Maybe if you and enough like minded people don't sign up for the 4G phones, it'll make a difference to Sprint.

I just get so tired of seeing these same old complaints from people and then they turn around and get the phone anyway!
[Epic 4G General] Kcarpenter:
So let me explain the fee:

With Comcast/Charter you have different levels of speed you are able to get - you pay more for faster speed. They cannot guarantee that you will get 25 mb/s but - you pay for it any way...theres your explanation. You don't want the fee, don't buy the hardware.

I don't understand the drama.
[Epic 4G General] Kcarpenter:
There is a priority on the network, and it would probably allow you to drop less calls. I think priority 0 is reserved for emergency departments use - but speed would not be affected by it. Just how often you can poll the tower and how likely you are to be bumped off in high traffic.
[Epic 4G General] kgold708:
1: I'm ok with paying $10 extra for decreased latancy/higher network priority. Not ok with "enhanced user experience" BS

2: I am going to sign a contract for @$3840-4000, 2 devices 2yr contract, that $10 fee is $480. If I pay over $500 (after tax) for something, don't you think I should know what it is?

3: Sprint fanboys/employees,how about next time they charge $20/mo (Android 3.0 provides an enhanced-enhanced experience).
[Epic 4G General] harrybozack:
Stated vs actual reasons

I think you might be overreacting, I was just posting information on a website dedicated to the fee. I think my main problem is that you already pay for the hardware, so why do I have to pay more just because its premium hardware.

The reasons that Sprint justify the fee with:

High-quality pics to snap and share with friends and family

A wicked fast processor to make your apps run smoother and faster on our Sprint 3G and 4G network

Top quality media experience with oversized screen, high resolution video and HD recording

None of those things are really service related. If they just put "because your phone uses our expensive new 4g network" that would be fine. I'm in an area where 4g isn't available yet, so why would I get charged extra?

They should be fairer about it.
[Epic 4G General] Khemul:
I can see the fee as something to be a bit annoyed over, but don't really see it as something to get angry over. Definately not something to reconsider services over. Even factoring in the fee, over 2 years without discounts, it still come out as the cheapest service when compared to Verizon, At&t, and T-Mobile (not a huge difference, but still cheaper).

Just take it as what it is, a 4g tax. Sprint can justify it how they want, but personally it seems to me that they just figure constant "why am I being charged for something I already payed for?!" is better then "why am I being charged for something I can't use". I'm also quite sure someone got payed a nice salary to run some numbers to come up with that :D.
[Epic 4G General] radar5:
kcarpenter basically sums it all up. It's a charge for more speed just like your wired internet company charges. The more speed you want, the more you have to pay. And unfortunately, the 4g phones only come in one variety and they can't track everyone who is or isn't in a 4g area. I'm sure if they did, someone in the middle of Idaho who doesn't pay for 4g might travel to Philly, hit 4g by accident, and get "4g roaming" charges and then we'll have tons of people still in an uproar. It is what it is, and that's that.
[Epic 4G General] Ric8675309:
$10 fee

You know, I've been watching this debate since the Evo came out and I'm not sure I can stay out of the fray anymore. If you're not just aggravated about having to pay another $10, the fee is really easy to figure out... It seems like almost willful ignorance them people keep trying to say that there's no good reason for it. Sprint really doesn't help with their explanations.

It's pretty simple: The $10 is for unlimited data. Now, you might ask, why would you pay that when you had unlimited data before? Well, on a device like the Evo or Epic, MOST users will use more data than the smaller devices. This makes a lot of sense. Your data plan was always unlimited, but they were charging based on an expectation of how much the average user WOULD typically use. This amount would be higher on a next gen phone that is simply easier to use more data with.

Now, I know there are probably Moment or Hero users who are going to say, "... but I use 15GB per month on my little phone!" Yes -- you're called an outlier. I guarantee you that the average Moment or Hero user uses less data per month than the average Evo user. Sprint is simply trying to price accordingly.

This is all much like the all-you-can-eat buffet model. Have you ever noticed that kids get charged less than adults? Why is that? I mean, both are getting an "unlimited" meal, right? It's pretty simple, though -- the restaurant is charging based on an expectation that a kid will innately eat less than an adult. Is it always true? No. Is it true on the average? Absolutely.
[Epic 4G General] E_Rock:
+1 :D
[Epic 4G General] kgold708:
Concerning OP

Ok soooo.....let's say I surrender to the fanboys/employees/uninformed people. Can any EVO users report "enhanced user experience" ie. Shorter latancy, decreased "ping" time,higher network priority while on 3g?,

please be honest

, this was the point of this thread.
[Epic 4G General] gophergun:
I'd be okay with it if they gave you more of a choice. For example, to downgrade your Internet service from 25mb to 16mb, you don't have to get a different computer or modem, they handle it all "server-side," so to speak. Also, to interpret it that way, you have to ask why they're not charging more for 3G as well (as opposed to 2G).

This all still comes out to less than I'm paying on T-Mobile, so it's not a huge deal, by the way, just an annoyance.
[Epic 4G General] NeonMonster:
Tryed out 4G in Los Angeles and I have to say its RIDICULOUSLY fast upload and download speeds.

Like you click the link and the page is already loaded fast.

Sprint is slowly adding on to their 4G coverage. If you have a problem with a $10 'premium 4G data fee', dont buy a 4G phone?
[Epic 4G General] Dman10:
Even if you don't get the 4g, you're paying $10 extra for a phone that's worth it, and even with the extra $10 a month, it's still cheaper than any other carrier's prices.
[Epic 4G General] karnovaran:
I have no problem with the $10, but can we please stop saying it's still cheaper than other carriers? T-Mobile is $60 unlimited. Granted, their coverage is generally only good for city dwellers like myself but they are definitely cheaper for the same features.
[Epic 4G General] gophergun:
Isn't that only for unlimited minutes, not messaging or web? Otherwise, I've been seriously overpaying on T-Mobile.
[Epic 4G General] coolqf:
This is the price if you pay for the phone outright and don't sign a two year contract.
[Epic 4G General] LordLugard:
If not for the fact that Tmo's Galaxy variant has no flash and no front camera, I would opt for it and their $59.99 Even More Plus plan. Tmo's HSPA coverage here in NYC is decent plus no contract and $20 less than Sprint at 79.99.

Tough call...
[Epic 4G General] LordLugard:
How about if you don't want 4G, then be given the choice not to pay for it, optional?
[Epic 4G General] LordLugard:
Will you all stop this "it's still cheaper than any other carrier's prices" crap. I sign up folks for Tmo's Even More Plus plans that are $20 less than Sprint Evo plans, only proviso is that you pay full price for whatever phone you want, no subsidy.

Nexus One's can be found on craigslist for 300-350 easy as well as other solid smartphone.
[Epic 4G General] Sebrina:
Yes and you get what you pay for, go outside any major city and you'll see what I mean. Sprint also roams on Verizon who does T-Mobile roam on, nobody.
[Epic 4G General] gophergun:
I'm looking at T-Mobile's website, and the equivalent plan seems to cost $80 without contract/phone, unless your most common contacts use landlines. I don't personally know anyone that still uses a landline, but I suppose if the majority of your calls are done to people on landlines that could be an issue. I'm switching networks because of T-Mobile's lackluster phone selection anyways, so I suppose it's a bit irrelevant. (The best keyboarded phone they could come up with is the outdated-on-launch Mytouch Slide, apparently.)

IIRC, T-Mobile roams on AT&T, as well as a few smaller networks. I could be wrong, though.
[Epic 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
You are... dumb. Even with the $10 fee it still costs less to be on Sprint than Verizon/AT&T (God forbid anyone with T-Mobile). As a Sprint employee I will explain the $10 fee. No data cap, faster speeds. Wow, look at that. Go buy a Bentley and tell me if you put 87 octane gas in it.
[Epic 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
Why? It's true. Tmo unlimited talk is $49.99. Add data, it's $25.00. Their site sucks so much I can't even add text, but between those 2 things alone you're at $74.99... oh look at that, $5.00 less than Sprint (not including text). So you save $120 in 2 years but paid $400 for your phone.... yeah you really just paid an extra $280 to NOT have a contract. Again, this is still not including text which I'm sure is another $10.00. In the end, no company beats Sprints pricing, even with the $10 fee. If you don't like it, don't get it.
[Epic 4G General] karnovaran:
And not having a contact means I can sell my Nexus for about 80% of what I paid within a year and buy the next great phone. By rolling your original cost over, the net price ends up being less than $199 on every phone.

As Americans we're too used to subsidies to see the value of buying your device upfront. It's a shame.
[Epic 4G General] robl45:
now thats just stupid, you might get lucky selling a phone once if it near new and in great condition, but these things drop in value quickly.
[Epic 4G General] karnovaran:
Go check Nexus One prices on e-Bay.

I've already done this for a few phones. As long as you sell before it's outdated, you're fine. This works better with GSM though, since they can be used throughout the world.

Anyway, sorry for the hijack.
[Epic 4G General] DirtyShroomz:
The reason the Nexus One sells at a higher price is because it is not available online/stores any longer. Even when it was available, it was only online. Phone technology is so advanced there is really no point in wasting money buying phones full price to be out of a contract. You spend $350 on a Nexus one, 7 months later something new comes out and you spend another $300 on that, again, waste of money - but then again, if you got it, it doesn't matter. As far as price, nobody in the market right now beats Sprint when it comes to prices, plain and simple.