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[XPERIA X10 General] bongd:
Thanks for the kind post. Yep, I definitely checked everything I could. Perhaps it's affecting NAM version more because a friend of mine commenting on the same thing. Half a dozen X10s are doing this and over a dozen friends and family members recognize the same thing.

Although I worked at a rock quarry blasting, chiseling and cutting rocks my hearing has checked out perfectly. I'm not an audiophile but I clean my ears pretty often and have excellent hearing. If you're in an environment with even marginal background noise it makes things extremely frustrating. And it's definitely not my hearing or my X10. I'd replace it in a heartbeat but all X10s here seem to have poor sound. Mine was pre-ordered, as were two others, two purchased in store and one X10i that was imported.

Other than that it's such a stale phone. I'm dying for Flash, dying for DLNA, dying for better camera software, a faster OS, etc. Lots of apps are becoming exclusive to those with Eclaire or higher, so now we're getting left in the dust.

Some people just like to snap a few pics, listen to music and tinker with a couple of novel functions on their smart phones but I thought I was buying a top of the line Android phone. I always do my homework and I take this personally. I feel ripped off! I almost never feel this way and if I ever do, the company that does it is usually quick to recognize their faults because I have REALISTIC and honest expectations. I feel honestly let down by this phone and by SE. I'm not trying to over exaggerate but I am offended and I do take this personally.

Hopefully Eclair can tide me over until Froyo is released.
[XPERIA X10 General] mrtim123:
Actually, i completely agree. I dont like to jump on the SE hating bandwagon (and im not suggesting that you have bongd) but i feel exactly the same. im not about to start ranting about "im gunna sell it and buy something else" but i am disapointed. As you have said also, i hope that 2.1 will go someways to nullifying my disapointment :)

My major gripes at the moment and slow camera software, unable to connect to my PS3, and unable to connect to my WPA2 home wireless (not just an SE thing i know). I dont really care for Flash 10 support either way, but it would be nice i guess - it is not a deal breaker for me. I knew what my phone was capable of when i bought it and i chose it on those specs, however it is starting to show its age now (6-9 months!). Im ready for an update (software, not hardware).

Tim.
[XPERIA X10 General] Mancubus99:
No problems with my phone either. In fact, no problems with the FOUR of the Xperia's in my house. Yes, I assimilated the rest of my family. :D
[XPERIA X10 General] Nankov:
+1 no problems here either and 2 of my friends have the x10 and no problems there either there also really happy with the phone.
[XPERIA X10 General] kishen80:
Same here, hv no problem wit my sound.and from all the fone i use x10 is the best.
[XPERIA X10 General] mrtim123:
as for the sound quality (is this going OT? Sorry if it is) mine is quiet but its not a huge issue for me. Im not gunna go out and get a new phone over it anyway. i grabbed the Louder Volume Hack and bumped it up a little bit - seems pretty good for me now.
[XPERIA X10 General] ixemun:
No offense but if you really did your homework, you'd know already about the chances of X10 getting Eclair let alone Froyo, at the moment we can only hope on the devs to get a working CustomROM on X10

But as for the in call volume, I do admit that it's somewhat lower than typical smartphone but I have to say you're either over-exaggerating it, your hearings are not as excellent as you claimed to be, or the best explanation, you have a faulty X10. This comes from someone who has somewhat poor-fair hearing (trust me, I got scolded by a lot of people I talk to in person more than I'm on the phone, even in noisy areas).

Try replacing your phone, if you still keep on having problems, why not trade it for another phone?
[XPERIA X10 General] chadamcmillan:
Nope. Not exaggerating. MANY people are experiencing extremely low in-call volume, me being one of them. Just because you aren't doesn't make it untrue.
[XPERIA X10 General] bongd:
Replacing the phone is a viable option. One I would explore but even people from Alberta and other provinces comment on this. Perhaps its just the X10's from Rogers that experience this.

I can't trade this as no one will take it and there's nothing better for GSM users. Every high-end Android phone is for CDMA networks regretfully. Hoping that the Samsung Captivate has a front-facing camera and camera flash but I doubt it. Waiting for an update for pre-order..
[XPERIA X10 General] rkanwar:
How did u manage to get the loudr volume hack to work? Everytime i open the app i get the error message that the files didnt copy across correctly.
[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
Are you that stupid? Like, really?

What the hell does Android do to people?? Are all Android users trolls?!

The chances of getting Eclair? Really? You're questioning that, of all things? The thing that is scheduled to come in the next couple weeks? Something that's already been announced over a dozen times?

This place is driving me closer and closer to just going back to a Japanese Featurephone with 12MP CCD camera, 1080p video recording, and HDMI output.
[XPERIA X10 General] thunderpossuem:
japan has the nicest looking feature phones. all teh Japanese students at uni have them an i get a whole lot of jealous. so prettehs
[XPERIA X10 General] beno1:
The design of that phone looks kinda cool... what is it? :p Never seen it before...
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
I think there has been a lot of misunderstanding about this point.

It did not matter how much research you did, for a few reason.

1) If you researched the X10, like most, prior to it's release, than you would have had no idea which OS version you were going to get at the time. Or, had little to no idea of what it meant. SE did though.

2) More importantly it was pointless of how soon each of us learned about the 1.6 and the possibility of a future upgrades. That is because Adobe had not released 10.1 at the time and they had not made it known to the public that they would engineer their product to require 2.2 or newer. SE knew this though.

3) Regardless of what version OS Adobe agreed to support, SE intentionally decided rather early to commit to the 2.1 despite their knowledge of what their finished product would or would not support. Like 10.1 for example.

Now the list of devices offering 2.2 is getting longer by the day. Whilst SE has yet to release 2.1 (which by the way does not change much from the 1.6), and silent about future upgrades. I think those of us that feel betrayed by SE have every right to be upset, without people incorrectly accusing them of not doing their research. I also, think that those who are happy with their device should have right to keep on enjoying them. But I think it is foolish to not hold SE to account for intentionally misleading their customers. Unless of course you want SE to do the same thing again.

What SE have done so far to the X10 is strikingly simular to the P900 and P910 and the X1 and the X2.
[XPERIA X10 General] Tjotte:
What if this issue with some X10 owners claiming the volume is poor actually depends on local regulations?! And not so much about the phones. Maby SE is only following laws for health regulation in all different areas. That could be an explenation to why some people think it's fine and some dont.
[XPERIA X10 General] rkanwar:
To be honest it dont really affect me as much as 90% of the time i use the handsfree kit. However i do find the volume bit low and would be nice to have it slightly louder.
[XPERIA X10 General] mezo9090:
Loud and clear, i guess you guys should focus more on the way you point the earpiece to your ear, its a bit tricky..

Btw, what was the main topic of this thread again ? :p
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
I think it was titled an early look at nothing new! :D

Or, maybe it was titled an early look at the dozen or so devices that used to be 2.1 and have since moved on too bigger and better things with the 2.2
[XPERIA X10 General] bongd:
In all fairness, no mobile PHONE users should experience great difficulties using the PHONE portion of their PHONE lol sorry, had to do that.. :p

This is like a company developing a pencil that can only works when used under specific pressure at a specific angle when specific celestial bodies are in alignment. It's not outlandish for consumers to expect a decent quality product.

The most irritating part about the X10 is that it's got all the horsepower under the hood required to kick the butts of all the competitors. Imagine having a Ferrari that wouldn't go over 2000RPMs or you couldn't take it more than a few KMPM or MPH. It would be a horribly irritating situation, just like with the X10. I know it has balls but SE isn't putting them to use. They're evasive and dodge customer inquiries which has made their once loyal consumers livid.
[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
Are you done trolling yet? If you're so happy with your iPhone, I see no reason for you to troll the X10 boards.

2.2 isn't as widespread as you think it is. It's barely on anything out there globally. 1.6 and 2.1 are what most of the world is running on. There's still people forever stuck on 1.5.

I'll say it again:

Buy something based on what it does for you now,

not on what it may be able to do in the future.

You'll always be disappointed in what you have, instead of being satisfied with your purchase.
[XPERIA X10 General] wing_zero8556:
iead1, you are probably the most sensible person on this board lol
[XPERIA X10 General] bongd:
Lots of places had misinformation and still do. Some sites still boast multi-touch and camera flash for instance. I had no reason to believe otherwise. I believe even Rogers had this info on their site. I was told by every single rep I spoke to that MT and camera flash would be available.

I'm still waking up but I don't think 2.0 or 2.1 was available at the time of my purchase but SE was positive that they'd be an industry leader, carrying their flagship phone to the top and setting the distance. I wholeheartedly believed them too. SE is still saying that they want to be on top of the Android game like a bunch of delusional twits. They just bounce all the customer concerns and inquiries and wear fake smiles. They're horrible.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
There are certainly more phone without 2.2 than with. Too bad the X10 is one of them without. So much for being industry leaders.
[XPERIA X10 General] tigger69:
Still here Troll?

This is the X10 forum, not the crapple one. We dont care what you think, go spout your drivel in a crapple forum were like minded dullards might care what your opinion is.

Apart from not having 512mb ram, the x10 has got quite good specs ( and no i dont really care about MT )

The point is if people are happy with the phone or not, i'am so i dont want to hear from trolls who have already moron'd out and switched to a crapple.
[XPERIA X10 General] pngface:
+10000!!!!
[XPERIA X10 General] ixemun:
I will only touch this part of the argument since 2.2 wasn't announced before X10's release so no one could have foreseen that.

X10, was announced back in November, which will come with 1.6 OS, throughout the time from November until X10's release, there was none at all, any news straight from SE that they'll release Eclair for X10, while most other phones, were announced to have 2.1 soon after their release.

SE is new to Android, they mentioned that (I cant remember where I read it, someone here might remember) it took them about 6 months to customize vanilla Android OS (which still has bugs in it), at this point people who are unsure would wait first before considering to buy this phone.

Eclair then was announced soon after X10's release, then soon after Froyo was announced, with SE Eclair being in development and scheduled for release around Q4 2010, there is a slim chance of us having Froyo officially from SE.

So, majority claimed that SE betrayed them, in what way?

No MT? (they never confirmed it, even at their product blog back in november they said 'they're considering it in the future' before they stated that MT is not available due to hardware limitation, which was announced a week before X10's release)

No Froyo? (they never said anything about updating to a newer OS, just simply supporting it, which by my guess the silent updates).
[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
You are an absolute fool if you think those are the only Android phones on the market. You go out of your way to only mention the very few high end sets.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
I never said anything about MT. Multi-touch is proprietary to Apple; I believe. Further I do not believe that any manufacturer other than Apple have the right to use this technology. MT is not something that is a selling feature for me. I believe you are using quotes from my post and partly responding to someone else.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
There is no where in any of my previous posts where I claim that the list of phones that have or are expecting 2.2 are the only phones with Android.

What my list does high light is that for a phone that was marketed as the most porwerful, that it does not even make the top ten, thanks to SE.
[XPERIA X10 General] ixemun:
By this, you're already posting on behalf of majority of X10 users who felt betrayed by SE, MT is one of the reason. so what say you try not to get distracted by small details just to escape the argument.

MT is not owned by Apple, it was invented way before iPhone came out, Apple merely patented the usage of MT, that doesn't mean other phones cant have it, whatever ideas one company comes up with, there will always be copies of it (good example, china mock up phones). But atleast you're making a good point that MT is not a selling feature for any phone, people who complained about it should just shut up and get an iPhone.

So now, tell me, you still haven't answered my question, why do some X10 users feel betrayed?
[XPERIA X10 General] go3asy:
My piece on the MT.....TBH it is handy for games with dual controls. Other than that its just a show off thing for iphone users - i.e pinch and zoom, that for some reason everyone thinks is fantaxtic on their iphone :s If the devs of these games would give the option to map other keys for non MT phones this would be a better idea IMO. Like I d/l couple of FPS games which were great but the fact you need to stop moving to then fire is useless gameplay. If I could use a hardware button for fire [which i have commented to few devs on the market] that would solve all the issues with no MT for me and probably a few other people. Do you really want pinch zoom? or just to be able to play some games?

I might start a new thread! - Game devs support non MT devices! lol
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
Well, once again you are trying to put words in mouth that I never said. Never said 'Majority'. That is from you. I could care less about MT, so what ever.

Confusing :confused: do you actually read the complete post and check who actually wrote what you are incorrectly trying to contribute to me?
[XPERIA X10 General] tigger69:
It seems it was jeff han who invented it, he first debuted it in 2006, before the iphone or ipod touch came out.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
Did he also invent this list of phones that offer 2.2

Nexus One - currently 2.2

HTC EVO 4G - currently 2.2

Motorola Droid - currently 2.2

Motorola Droid X - currently 2.2

HTC Droid Incredible - currently 2.2

HTC Desire - currently 2.2

Samsung Galaxy S - 2.2 in late September

HTC Legend - 2.2 in late September

HTC Wildifre - 2.2 in late September

Dell Streak - 2.2 in Q4

LG Ally - 2.2 in Q4

Samsung Intercept - 2.2 in Q4

Motorola Milestone - 2.2 in Q4

It sure is a shame that SE are the first to come out with new hardware only to not even make the top ten list because of their software engineering.
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
Top 10? Who's top 10? and why does NOT having 2.2 mean that a phone automatically isn't in the top 10..??

Surely the ONLY measure of a phones success is worldwide sales figures..

Now that's really the only statistic that tells what the "Top 10" are..
[XPERIA X10 General] tigger69:
What has that got to do with MT you moron, two differant things. :rolleyes:
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
Interesting point of view. Yes, there are many ways one could judge top 10. What is the point of bragging about the hardware being the latest when the device is limited by software that is not the latest? And, I doubt if we are counting overall sales that the X10 make that list either.

We were discussing features that would come with the 2.1 upgrade. I simply pointed out that the differences between the 1.6 and 2.1 are not that significant. Where as the features that come with the 2.2 were more likely to be game changers. A big example of this would be 10.1 only being supported on device with 2.2 or newer. And, there is the growing list of devices that are giving their customers the latest, whilst SE clients are still waiting for a revision to an older OS version that does not support the latest feature.

I can certainly understand that there are people who are upset when they buy the latest device only to see competitors offer devices with more features.
[XPERIA X10 General] Tjotte:
Best post i ever read in a very long time! Thank you! :-) you sure have your brain-drawers sorted.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
It was pointless of how soon each of us learned about the 1.6 and the possibility of a future upgrades. That is because Adobe had not released 10.1 at the time and they had not made it known to the public that they would engineer their product to require 2.2 or newer. Manufactures knew this and only SE decided to leave their customers out of this feature.

Regardless of this, we all know now is that the list of devices that offer the newest Android OS 2.2 is growing daily. SE yet to release the older OS.

What is the point of boasting about X10 having being first with the latest hardware when they are last (if ever) to offer the latest software? Not very thoughtful on SE part.
[XPERIA X10 General] gaolinde:
maybe some will but definitely not all or most devs will develope a game considering no MT on your device.

why would they even bother that since every manufacturor except SE is providing MT ?
[XPERIA X10 General] TrietHocNhanSinh:
Where did you get this info from? Mind you share with us ?
[XPERIA X10 General] jojosplace:
nevermind :D
[XPERIA X10 General] go3asy:
TBH the phones hardware was aready chosen in november when it he phone was announced so if they were considering MT or saying they were the screen can obviously take it or they would never have mentioned that? and im sure they never switched to a new screen at the last min of production.
[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
You can say the same exact thing of Apple. I don't get how you can claim how amazing the iPhone is, when it suffers even more from all of the problems you claim the X10 has.

SE hasn't left anyone out. Have they released a statement saying "**** our customers, we're not going to release Android 2.2"? No? They haven't? Then shut up and stop claiming to know they're doing.
[XPERIA X10 General] mezo9090:
Its like reading a comic book here, you guyz are on your nerves or what.
[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
I'm bored, and I get a kick out of making a troll look like an idiot.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
Do you actually have any ideas about new features to the 2.1? Because you are coming across as rather angry. And, you appear to be spending the majority of your time here attacking other opinion instead of bringing your own. No need to be upset mate, everyone is entitled to their opinions. And, it is sure you will not agree with all of them.

Further, I think we understand that you are not amongst those of us that are disappointed and feel let down by SE lack of thoughtfulness. And, that is ok. But there is no reason for you to keep personally attacking people that DO feel taken advantage of by SE. However, don't worry mate, you are not SE. Nor are you employed by SE to defend them(at least I hope not). So really, try not to take it so personally.

I simply wish SE would have already given their loyal customers the latest software; being the 2.2. And, I find the fact that the list of 2.2 device which is growing by the day as a troubling sign for SE. I also do not see value in the advantages of 2.1 from the 1.6; as the improvement are minor. I think it is a real shame that the X10 will not be able to support 10.1 and, I find this as a major limitation to the device.

I also find a lot of similarities with how SE are introducing the X10 to how they have treated their last five flagship devices. Almost like a patter of leaving their customers suffering from software limitation issues.

So, let me just say this in closing. If I or my opinion have offended you in any way, please except my sincerest apology.

Now can we get back to the topic of 2.1? :cool:
[XPERIA X10 General] tigger69:
Just to say, i know some people feel let down by SE but please dont go on and on and on about it, we get the point ok.

OT i am looking forward to 2.1, i like my x10 all my mates think its swanky, none of them say ooh it hasnt got 2.1/2 on it. Its only people like us on forums like this who whinge because its not got 2.1/2. My mates see what my phone can do and appriciate it for what it can do now, not what it could do with 2.1/2 on it.
[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
Ok, I just want to ask you why you keep bringing up a lack of Flash as a limitation of the X10 when it's not a limitation on the iPhone? If your answer is "HTML5!" then I know you don't know what you're talking about. The browsers on Android and iOS both share the same rendering engine (WebKit, developed in part by Apple). The X10 supports basic HTML5 right now, as we speak. Aside from pinch-to-zoom, the browsers on the X10, iPhone, Nexus One, Desire, Droid X, Milestone, Galaxy S, BlackBerry 6 OS, Palm Web OS, ect. share the same HTML rendering base. With 2.1, the Browser will bring with it more complete HTML5 support, for things including the video tag.

To say that 2.1 isn't a major upgrade isn't completely wrong, but it does change a lot of things, including something that nearly every Android user uses on a daily basis, the Browser.

(See, I can talk about 2.1 as well.)
[XPERIA X10 General] realunited123:
Maybe you should just sell your X10. I am going to sell it and go for this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyA4Ge_EcWU ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
Wow, never saw a phone like that before. Does it run on 1.6 too! :p LOLOLOL
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
s'bout time! :D

-edit: The x10 already has flash lite. It doesn't mean you will be streaming videos from you favorite site though. With the full functionality of Adobe Flash 10.1 the X10 will not be able to stream full lenght. Since it takes 2.2 or newer to support 10.1 and the X10 is not getting 2.2, the X10 will not get 10.1. Hense no streams for the X10. Too bad really. the X10 could have been a great phone.
[XPERIA X10 General] realunited123:
No! i got some "inside" information that it will run Android 2.2 with Flash 10.1 support. That's why i am going for it over the X10 like you are saying.. ;)

Even though it has processor of some Hz or a 100 X 100 resolution or 2 pixel camera. No these are not typo and i know what i am saying :p