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[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
Want flash - avoid the X10

to be clear.

I am sure that there will eventually be a work around to flash for the X10. It will not come from SE, ever! It does not serve SE's purpose to update your device to the point that you wont want to buy their next flagship device. This is what SE does best, b.s's you.

So that means in order for you to eventually get flash on your X10 that you will need to do some thing that will not only void your warranty, but will also mean that you will need to find and trouble shoot your own X10 updates from that day forward for as long as you own your device.

I did something similar on my X1, and I had fun doing it; whilst it lasted. Than it got old. Now I don't ever want to be bothered with something like that again.

If you are looking for flash and that is as important to you as it is to me, drop the X10 like it were a bad habit. Stop slowly driving yourself mad over SE complete lack of customer service and buy a device that gives you flash, HD, tethering, and the all the support right out of the box!

By the way, my new iphone 4g is everything I wanted and more. Since it is my first apple product I was nervous that I wouldn't be able to have it set the way I wanted it. There are a few annoying features but over all it is giving me what I want. I am getting a second one for my wife next week so we can use free Facetime. Plus the image is mind blowingly good. HTML5 works like a charm and there is more than enough content out there to satisfy me, and the list is growing daily. It is also the first time I have not bought SE in nearly ten years so the change was nice too! I doubt I will ever buy SE again. Unless of course they have the first device on the market to give me bj's on demand!
[XPERIA X10 General] Lord Takyon:
Sounds like you need a new gf mate. Lol
[XPERIA X10 General] spark001uk:
Well im off to buy a galaxy s in a few minutes, looks like its everything i need - and everything the x10 likely won't be!

By the way fm- if you get a shop manikin, a bluetooth receiver module, some wire, sticky tape, a handful of vibration motors....... maybe, just maybe!!
[XPERIA X10 General] berbecverde:
i doubt that, but go ahead and share us your experience with the SGS.:)
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
Sounds even more complicated than getting flash on the X10 ;)

Has anyone considered the EVO 4G?
[XPERIA X10 General] Tjotte:
I've been a fairly dedicated SE owner, 80% of my phones has been Ericsson and SE. Though i have not had a super interest in versitality and software untill i bought my HTC touch diamond when that one came, pree ordered also a flagship... for ONE month. Sure they did release a few updates, but only due to a dissfunctional device to begin with. I'm just so tired of all the hatred. I want to appologize if i offended any one or hurt anyones feelings, but please, do your homework before burning your money.

Edit: I did ofc read a ton of info about the Diamond and believe me, it was going to be the most fantastic phone ever, according to HTC. It was fun for a week and never as good as they claimed it to be. Never even got an official WM 6.5 update.
[XPERIA X10 General] lornova:
I tell you what, I'm so pleased with my current X10 that I don't care of 2.1 or 2.2.

I don't need flash, I dislike it.

I don't need MT, I not really dislike it but I can live without it.

The photo camera is very good, even with few light if used with Vignette and its steady shot function.
[XPERIA X10 General] lornova:
They disagree but they are wrong. SE has been really honest this time, the device is amazing, only kids complain on MT (

and it has been clearly declared as single touch limited by hardware before being marketed

), and Flash is supported only on 2.2. So who disagree is wrong.
[XPERIA X10 General] jingkailim:
nope my friend desire 2.1 support flash
[XPERIA X10 General] knudsen81:
wrong desire with 2,1 support flash lite....

2,2 only support flash 10.1
[XPERIA X10 General] Astral07:
tethering works just fine with barnacle :)
[XPERIA X10 General] pco.vaz:
Did they publish that information officially?

Seams strange how can that be true when the operating system version supports flash 10.1 and the hardware is equivalent, or better, to some devices that run it.

If they did intensionally block it, that would be a really bad business decision as they would give away a big advantage to their direct competitors. Seams an incredibly dumb decision from a commercial perspective as the functionality was already develop with no added cost to the company (Adobe + Google already spent the money on it and released it for free).
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
you should read the last few pages of this thread.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
2.1 does not support Flash. Only 2.2 or newer. It is not that SE ever promised 2.2, because all they have done is say 2.1. It is that SE knew Adobe would only offer support of 2.2 versions or newer and still let consumers incorrectly believe that the X10 would eventually support flash. Further more the differences between 1.6 and 2.1 are so minor. The only reason not to offer the Q4 (Q3) revision of 2.2 is to push hungry customers towards purchasing their next device.

X10 customers have been waiting over half a year for basically wall paper live and HD. And, it still has not been released.

The X10 sold everyone on the hardware build, knowing full well that it would not release a software build that would maximize its hardware until future models. SE are basically trying to double dip their customers.

And, to the guy that bought this device who says that flash is not important to him, well. You surely stand alone in that statement. Nearly the only reason I bought the P900a, P910i, X1i, and X10i where to do my part so that SE would get a device out that would support flash. Otherwise why waste the money when there are less expensive phone that do more with lesser hardware.

The public was not told until June that Adobe would only support 2.2 or newer. And, SE knew Google and Adobe were engineering the works for this build plan. SE has been nothing but dishonest with us, mainly by saying nothing. But it is not my problem any more. I dumbed my X10 in the beginning of July for the iphone 4. Now I am watching streams from my favorite site using HTML5. No more waiting for me.

Lastly, look at the list of phones running 2.2 that have flash out of the box. What is the point of this hardware in the X10. Absolutely usless. Evo is talking about giving their customers 2.3 at it's release in Q4!

SE = double dipping jokers.
[XPERIA X10 General] phoneguy 4567:
I agree all this kind of stuff is held back so they can sell people their new phones. SE if not outright dishonest has aided in the confusion about features & benefited from it. MT is a perfect example one area of SE says the HW doesn't support it, then when the X10 is released in the US their own website says it has MT. If you can't believe the company's own website who can you believe?
[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
You guys need to relax. How many times do I need to say it...

It's.

Just.

A.

Phone.

Why are people so hung up over version numbers and "potential". Only a complete idiot would buy something based on "potential". Either you buy it for what it does for you at the time of purchase, or don't buy it. SE is not obligated to update the X10. They do it out of good will. The update is free, and will be available to everyone. If SE CHOOSES to, they'll update to newer versions.

This, my friends, is what technology is. If a company releases one product and just continuously updates it's software without offering new hardware, they'll fall far, far behind. The only exception to this rule is video game consoles. Look at cameras, MP3 players, computers, televisions, ect. Everything gets newer versions that have features that were demanded in the older version, and the older version doesn't get updated. That's how business works.

Also, people fail to realise that the X10 has only been released for five months, and 2.2 was only recently released a couple of months ago and hasn't reached most phones out there yet. Calm down.
[XPERIA X10 General] phoneguy 4567:
I don't expect SE to magically turn my 8 MP camera into 12 MP through a software update. Likewise I don't expect my X10 to suddenly support LTE or have a higher res screen through updated firmware. Those are valid features that need a phone upgrade.

In the case of Flash support the X10 can support it through a software update, in the case of MT SE has been confusing as to if it can support it or not. One person saying it doesn't then SE's US website saying it does, that confusion falls squarely on SE's shoulders.

I have to give Apple credit they are smart. They release iOS4 for the 3G which from what I hear bogs down the phone, but the fact that they release it makes them look good & is a 100x better then what SE does. Apple is in a win win situation because owners of the 3G are happy they got two major releases, & if they find it too slow after updating they will buy the new one. They won't blame Apple they will blame their aging hardware. In contrast SE takes so long to customize firmware & may or may not release 2.2, firmware it can clearly run without a problem.

Heck if SE was smart they would make a statement that the X10 will get 3.0 when it comes out. If it runs slowly people will then gladly buy a new SE phone, & those that can live with the speed will be happy they got 3.0. Both groups will sing the praises of SE to friends & family, instead of what many say now I really like the phone but wish it had MT & 2.2.
[XPERIA X10 General] ptesmoke:
lol i cant believe u took the time to write all that garbage.

dumped the x10 for a better device, then later mention you rock a crapple iphone 4!! thanks man, i needed a good laugh, unless of course your dead serious.....in which case....u should lay off the crack bud.
[XPERIA X10 General] tigger69:
I had a iphone 3g before i swapped it for my x10i. I tried ios4 on it and it was rubbish, laggy and some of the new stuff did not work on the 3g anyway. Anyone who has a 3g should not upgrade it to ios4 but stick with 3.1.3.
[XPERIA X10 General] pco.vaz:
I agree but I believe the others have a point too. They should put out correct information to let the consumer make an educated choice.

Although I don't mind waiting for flash as to me it's more like a nice to have function.

My provider only had 1 phone with this kind of hardware available (1GHz processor and, most importante, a big 800px++ screen) under 400€.

I'm entirely satisfied with the current version and I'll probably hold on 1.6, till some people comment on 2.1 stability.

I needed:

- To make/receive calls (incall sound is slightly better then my old htc touch so no complains there)

- GPS: With Ndrive it's perfect

- Trip Journal: I like to travel and the app works flawlessly on 1.6.

- Wyse RDP: I need to manage client's servers and this is the best RDP app I ever used on a touch device.

- Email: I had to set all my mail accounts on gmail for a perfect, effortless sollution. Exchange really doesn't integrate well with moxier. I can only nag about the gmail client cause it won't allow me to pick the send account whenever I want, using always the predefined one.

- Mediascape, Timescape and external phone design: make the phone look nice. It's always a plus though not a requirement.

- The original keyboard sucks, but installing the HTC one solved that.

- A few games to kill time every now and then.

- I was well aware MT was not available before purchase and it's a feature I don't need.

In conclusion my overall satisfaction is pretty high. After 2 years on WM with a lagging system that couldn't do half this is a breath of fresh air.

That said, I think if SE keeps lagging behind they will loose costumers. If the nexus or the milestone ware available at my provider for the same money I would probably not own a X10.
[XPERIA X10 General] berbecverde:
sorry about that...

flash support is only in Froyo....and HTC 2.1 Android devices.:p
[XPERIA X10 General] jingkailim:
??? how come htc 2.1 allow?? any one can explain this?
[XPERIA X10 General] berbecverde:
there was a post somewhere(do not ask were because i do not remember),you just have to install a .apk and you have flash.if i am correct then this was made possible by someone here at XDA.use the search and i am sure you will find it.but again it is for HTC devices only.:)
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
Ok settle down you lot. :p

The 2.1 does not support 10.1. I don't care what .apk file you load, it is a version of flash lite and not a full functioning 10.1 with support (and not just from Adobe but from SE). And, even if it was a full version, that is not the X10.

As for the joker that thinks I am hitting the crack pipe for getting the iphone 4, let's run the stats.

Iphone is HD out of the box, no waiting a half a year (and still waiting). I don't care what you read about the retina display; it is mind blowingly good. No competition it beats the X10 hands down. No updates to wait for, no OS revision in the works. The iphone offers tethering, out of the box. It offers HTML5, out of the box. Facetime feature is better than any video calling I have ever had (X1 forward facing camera with video calling, it sucked) and facetime is totally free. Not the .50 extra cents I paid per minute to use video calling on my SE. Iphone has a forward facing camera. Itunes offers me the latest media on the market. That bs media store for SE has nothing on it. What is the point to have a media store when you only offer ten songs and ten out dated movies? Joke! Sure the iphone camera offers less MP per picture but the pictures still look better. Iphone gives a longer lasting battery. Ok nothing like the battery in my X1, but it offers more time than my X10. Even if you are happy turning off 3g, 2g, wifi, and auto updates (which I don't even understand why buy the phone in the first place), iphone battery is still better. Are there draw backs? Of course there are. But SE still hasn't even given users the end product with the X10 and the list of devices is growning longer by the day that offer more out of the box than the X10 is promising in the future. That is just sad.

I am so happy I dumped that over prices paper weight.

Oh yes. As for Timescape, honestly what is the point? I guess if you are in the habit of blacking out from drinking too much it is a great feature. But other than that it is pointless. I can see the history of emails or messaging in my message box. What do I need timescape, other than to consume my batteries charge? Media scape was ok, but I didn't like some features. Apple created media controls on portable devices, and it is hands down the winner.

You are smoking a crack pipe if you learned back in June that flash would only be SUPPORTED with versions 2.2 or newer and, still decided to keep your X10.
[XPERIA X10 General] berbecverde:
What is your problem ?I was just replying the man.

This thread should be closed, since the vs iPhone has been discussed too many times and it is pointless. And people do not know how to behave.

This is sad.
[XPERIA X10 General] berbecverde:
Duplicate post. Sorry.
[XPERIA X10 General] lornova:
Please go in an iPhone forum and stop bothering us.
[XPERIA X10 General] ptesmoke:
whatever u say rick james, if thats what u need to make u sleep at night. but im sure your crapple must have a ghey app for that too!
[XPERIA X10 General] anjo2:
OMG, if you want flash, videocall, etc, dont buy Android... lol

I dont need those things, never did, for me, have it or not, is the same thing, i want things to work, wpa2-enterprise, sip native, hd video, more ram, and things like that...

This thread is to show the X10 with 2.1, please stop the offtopic.
[XPERIA X10 General] realunited123:
LOL i was under a impression that you have already bought an iphone and sold your X10. Didn't read your long posts from 13th July which makes me ask this: Why are you still using X10 ?
[XPERIA X10 General] jojosplace:
SHOCK! An OS Update! Not only is there a software update but chances are that Apple has had to redesign the HARDWARE of the iphone.

Wifi only, brilliant. Also the reason the x10 doesn't have a front facing camera is because no on uses video calling. In the YEARS that video calling has been around I have yet to make a call or receive one. Facetime is a totally pointless feature sold to make people think 'oh look at the shiny shiny.'

If you like itunes use it, then just convert and move to the x10, simple.

GOOD ONE, BRO!

Granted the battery life is not brilliant but it's a none issue for me as my phone (like every other one I've ever had) gets plugged in at night or when I'm driving. I'm sure most people are like this are well.

Great, why still post/read the x10 forums then? Hell why even visit xda if your an ifan? Whats in it for you?

Don't like it , don't use it. I like to have it but never use it that often, though it's great to have choices on how I do things, unlike on an iphone because you have to do what Steve Jobs says. Great fun for a modder.

Do you know what the worst thing about your post is, you talk about it like it's a person, it's not iphone is is an iphone or the iphone.

@the rest of XDA, sorry for feeding the troll but people like this are almost as annoying as the will the x10 support MT after the 2.1 update crowd.
[XPERIA X10 General] ptesmoke:
+1 for this guy, its amazing how ifail fans try to polish a terd and never realize its still a piece of schit! and ill never understand why they frequent xda forums!!
[XPERIA X10 General] oXunknownXo:
+1 but i'll add some more interesting stuff "just for the lol" :D

-He never said anything about "my iPhone 4 isn't a Phone out of the box", it's strange he never said anything about the antenna problem. i'm pretty sure he will say that it is not true, well, for not being true, i can't understand then why apple fired the man who developed it and can't understand why are they giving those bumpers to everyone for free. I have a friend who has the bumper and i asked him why because he denies the antenna problem...he has no answer at all, sometimes he says it's cool...:rolleyes::rolleyes:

-About the OS updates...oh my...last time i heard something about an IOS update they were talking about the funny bug with the proximity sensor not working as it should...oh wait, can't remember that he said something about this...:D

-talking about iTunes he said "What is the point to have a media store when you only offer ten songs and ten out dated movies? Joke!", well...i ask him "what is the point to have a media store when you can download FREE songs either through your PC or your X10 using programs like MP3 download or Fildo?JOKE!"

-And about the battery, my X10 lasts at leats 2 days and a few hours of normal use with 3g without dying, more than 3 days with a low use, i have a friend with the iPhone 4(the same with the bumper) and yesterday saw him with the phone, he had the brightness turned down to almost 0%, i asked him why, he told me that it was to save batteries...strange if you say that it has a really great battery.:rolleyes:

Sorry for feeding the troll but couldn't stand it:D
[XPERIA X10 General] LIQU1D5NAKE:
Also traded my iphone 3gs for my xperia x10, so much better in so many ways. I was tired of being another sheep following steve jobs and supporting his heroin addiction lol. X10 all the way !
[XPERIA X10 General] spark001uk:
Well, that's the lot for me, i ran out of patience and drove out to buy a brand new galaxy s, have to say i'm fairly impressed so far, the smoothness of the screen scroll in general was the first thing to hit me, closely followed by many other things! So sorry SE, you took too long!
[XPERIA X10 General] anjo2:
And then? who cares? Maybe you will make someone very happy, i love my x10, many users love it too, so please stop with the talk "I will sell my X10"! THIS IS ABOUT TO SHOW THE X10 WITH ANDROID 2.1!!!
[XPERIA X10 General] spark001uk:
You obviously weren't following the conversation then mate, we are discussing SE's marketing strategies, their promises at release to that end, and shortfalls to many users' expectations. If you're happy with it then great, but let other people voice their own opinions without attacking them.
[XPERIA X10 General] tigger69:
Bye bye then, you'll be posting in the galaxy s section from now on then.
[XPERIA X10 General] Bennachie:
Will 2.1 allow bluetooth phone book transfer to my car? and will it allow voice dial over bluetooth?

BOTH of these functions are missing currently and were not publicised when i got the phone and they are both sorely missed. I like my X10 and would like to keep it but the lack of these two important (to me) features spol the overall experience.:cool:
[XPERIA X10 General] jojosplace:
I never used the age old (and ill informed) more mega pixels = better quality. Good post however for others to read an learn however

What? This makes no sense and quite frankly sounds ridiculous. Are you trying to say people who use facebook/twitter/take pictures are 'flaming' alcoholics? Insane. From what I can see Timescape is a fun app. You knew this was part of the x10 makeup which begs the questions why did you buy it in the first place.

Yeah your right, the x10 is tighter than 'mother Teresa's nickers' but so is the iphone. At least jail breaking is now legal... oh wait. Yeah, sounds like a company that thinks about it's customer base.

Because modding is fun? I mean your on the xda developers forums, what else do you think goes on here? This would bring me back to your previous statement about Timescape, did you imagine that SE would remove with the 2.1 update or something. You ask why people buy things then try to change them/create workarounds. As I said, for fun.

WOW

I was under the impression that it was an Apple setting that caused Facetime to work only over wifi.

Discussion about it on the Apple forums.

So now from your post we have learned that people use timescape are all 'flaming' drunks and people who don't use video calling are 'cheating teenagers'. Brilliant.

Well done.

Please stop trolling.
[XPERIA X10 General] Contrarian:
Read the title of this thread "2.1 early look". Where does it say " reasons i'm not happy with my x10" or "why I'm buying a galaxy s instead" ???????????????

For the millionth time - we don't care if you bought a cheap ass samsung or htc. This is a thread about 2.1 on the x10.

unless we get back on track this thread will be closed shortly.
[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
Just to chime in, I use iTunes for my X10.

The songs are DRM-free and high quality. No converting needed... just copy and paste. Ain't that sweet?