yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] meandroid:
did as you said

I did as you suggested 3 times before taking the phone to i-mobile in Chiang Mai. The front desk personnel did as you suggested. Still wouldn't work. They took it to the techie in the back, he couldn't get it to work. They pulled out another i858 and a newer android phone they have. The market was accessible on the newer android but not their i858.

A few days ago I went to see when my phone might be returned and if they had heard anything from Bangkok. I was shown a stack of receipts for i858s that had been returned since mine came in. None of them can access the market even after doing factory resets and disabling the market updater.

Something has changed since your original advice. Because I did as you suggested before and things worked fine. Until the phone eventually crashed again, and I needed to do another factory reset. Disabled the market updater as before but the market won't appear like before.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] jboxer:
That phone is old (in Android years - similar to dog years) and you should think about getting a new phone. It cannot play any of the new games due to the not having a GPU also. I am surprised they are taking them back so long after the warranty has expired. If you can get them to return your money you can get a new phone lightyears ahead in tech specs for the same price as when the i858 was new.

Something about what you said above makes no sense. If you had deleted the marketupdater.apk doing a factory reset would not bring it back. The system partition is untouched by a factory reset. It sounds like you might have disabled or removed the market app (vending.apk) itself. If you did that then there certainly would be no market as the app is no longer there. The old market app will definitely work. Sounds like you mucked up something in the system preventing the market from working.

And I-Mobile doesn't have any "techies." They have some bumbling fools in the back room that really have no idea what they are doing when it comes to Android devices.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Heatie:
Mine still access market just fine. I'll post my custom ROM shortly.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] asdfghjklcgg:
Market Access

Have u tried the market fixed rom yet

kamilia.in.th webboard read.php?tid=1606

replace space with /

(I haven't tried it though but my market can access only some app)
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Heatie:
Sorry for the ROM I mention last post. Still testing something.

By the way I found Source code from another PXA935 device, the Dell Aero.

opensource.dell.com[slash]releases/aero/2.1/
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] emyazici:
Help Us

Hi there,

My friend bougth one second hand from phone shop. And it's supported Turkish language. I'm port to phone many different version of Eclair 2.1 for upgrade but I can't change again to Turkish. Please Help us. Thank you.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] t-bon3:
To anyone who is considereing getting an i858 just to let you know that while the hardware is pretty good, there are some bugs in the software.

Here a list of 'issues' I have discovered with mine, maybe the other owners in here can report if they have the same issues. I have the r133 firmware.

Apps that use the camera, specifically the "Barcode Scanner" type apps do not work, they install and open but never seem to activate the camera sucessfully.

Related to this, Google "Goggles" does work but the 'crop box' is not aligned on the screen correctly so it's difficult to use.

The magnetic compass alignment is completely out of whack, so if I lay my device on a flat suface and rotate, it gives me readings that are about 160-200° out. So when its pointing North is says South! This makes Google Sky Map pretty useless.

The GPS generates location co-ordinates correctly but that's about all.

The GPS speed readings are wrong, it alternates between saying my speed is 0km/h or it says I am doing 2x my actual speed (e.g when I am travelling at a steady 100km/h the speed display either says "0km/h" or "200km/h"!), this makes any speedomter app in the marketplace completely useless.

The GPS timestamps in saved tracks are wrong. With the clock and timezone correctly set on my device (in GMT+8 timezone) GPSLogger app will record timestamps in a GPX track that are 16 hours behind the actual time!

The accelerometer that detects the tilt of the device is very slow/laggy, this makes any games that use this input unplayable, e.g. Abduction, Doodle Jump, Labyrinth etc.

I may add more later!
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] jboxer:
You can buy the same phone under another brand at the URL below for $299, which is more or less the same as the Thai price. They are on pre-order as they are not selling them until 2.1 is ready. The I-Mobiles are currently 1.6 and have to be upgraded at an I-Mobile shop by cable so it is better to wait and get one with 2.1 pre-installed.

http://enso-now.com/zendroid
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] closer66:
Yes i can confirm i have the same bugsssssssss

1. Apps that use the camera, specifically the "Barcode Scanner" type apps do not work, they install and open but never seem to activate the camera sucessfully.

2. Related to this, Google "Goggles" does work but the 'crop box' is not aligned on the screen correctly so it's difficult to use.

3. The magnetic compass alignment is completely out of whack, so if I lay my device on a flat suface and rotate, it gives me readings that are about 160-200° out. So when its pointing North is says South! This makes Google Sky Map pretty useless.

4. The GPS generates location co-ordinates correctly but that's about all.

5. The GPS speed readings are wrong, it alternates between saying my speed is 0km/h or it says I am doing 2x my actual speed (e.g when I am travelling at a steady 100km/h the speed display either says "0km/h" or "200km/h"!), this makes any speedomter app in the marketplace completely useless.

6. The GPS timestamps in saved tracks are wrong. With the clock and timezone correctly set on my device (in GMT+8 timezone) GPSLogger app will record timestamps in a GPX track that are 16 hours behind the actual time!

7. The accelerometer that detects the tilt of the device is very slow/laggy, this makes any games that use this input unplayable, e.g. Abduction, Doodle Jump, Labyrinth etc.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] closer66:
One bug more if i take out the battery and start my phone after again the device lost his memory i have set up time and date again

I try with another i 858 have a same problem
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] t-bon3:
I have the Date and Time set to "Automatic: Use network-provided values"

If I pull the battery then the date and time is still correct when I restart the phone.

8. The pre-installed 'EStrongs Task Manager' cannot be updated to the latest version or uninstalled.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] closer66:
yes the preinstall apps can not deinstall at all we need to ROOT that device but i dont know how to do it :(

maybe some one can help us ?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] jboxer:
The phone is not recognized as an Android device when in USB debug mode so there is no way to communicate with it with ADB. Without ADB access rooting it will be difficult. The weird thing is that "su" is pre-installed in this phone as well as "Superuser Authorizer." That implies that maybe there is a program in the phone that grants root access, but we haven't found it yet. Superuser Authorizer is useless without root access, and the su program is what gives a phone root access when it has the proper permissions and is run at boot.

Hopefully the update to 2.1 will correct his as I-Mobile is also going to upgrade the bootloader. That is why the update can only be done at I-Mobile service centers using a USB cable. If you put the phone in recovery mode the computer does recognize the flash chip but we don't have drivers for it. But communicating with the flash chip is only good for flashing new firmware and bootloaders to the phone. That is how I-Mobile is going to update the phones when the new firmware is 100%. There are also rumors now that this phone will get another boost to 2.2 sometime in the future. Let's hope that is true as 2.2 runs more efficiently than any other Android distro to date.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] closer66:
wow that good news about 2.1 and sure about 2.2 upgrade the bad think is i live on island ko samui so no service center here. So i have send my device to BKK or other province for the update.

But thanks for sharing the INfo with me. us

Hey i saw in youtube some one show multi touch do you know how he do it ??
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] jboxer:
To people that are complaining of bugs in the software let me defend the phone a bit.

1. Regarding the camera. My BlackBerry 8520 has the same issue. Most programs that use the camera, including most barcode scanner apps, open the camera but cannot use the photo. On the other hand, on my i858, Facebook has no problem using the camera when I tell it to take a photo to upload to Facebook. So I think this is a software issue with the scanner apps not using the camera api correctly. If the Facebook app can use the camera with no problem then other apps should be able to also.

2. Magnetic compass. The magnetic compass is based on the GPS data. Any GPS device cannot detect direction if you are not moving. If you are stationary the compass reading will be garbage. This is true of any phone with any GPS. If you are stationary a GPS can only give you your location and altitude. It has no way to compute direction if you are stationary as it has no way to determine which way you are facing.

3. All any GPS does, whether internal or external, is to produce data based on the orbiting satellites. It outputs this data in a standard called NMEA. It is up to any software program you are using to read the NMEA data stream and interpret it correctly. The fact the coordinates are correct means the GPS is working correctly.

4. GPS time is reported by the satellites in UTC but not corrected for drift. At the correct time the GPS satellites report UTC plus 14 seconds. It is up to your software to adjust the UTC time to your specific timezone. It sounds like the software is not correctly converting the time data.

5. Speed on GPS. Did you know the GPS antenna of this phone is the metal battery cover? If you take off the battery cover you will see two little spring loaded contacts exposed. These contacts touch the metal battery cover and that is used by the GPS as the antenna. Is it possible you have obstructed the battery cover so you are not getting a lock on enough satellites. For GPS speed data to be accurate you need a lock on a minimum of three satellites in the GPS constellation.

6. Slow accelerometer. Almost every device I have used has this type of issue. The accelerometers are cheap and slow. I have played accelerometer games on the iPhone and in my opinion they are pretty worthless on that device also. All I care about is the screen changes when I rotate the phone 90 degrees.

All in all for the money I think this is a great phone. I am really looking forward to the promised upgraded to 2.1. :-)
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] t-bon3:
@jboxer

I agree with your assessment, the harware of the i858 is amazing for the price of the device. The bugs are in the software, I just hope we can get root access and a 2.1/2.2 update so that these bugs can be squished!

BTW the i858 does has a separate geomagnetic sensor to detect the Earth's magnetic field, this should provide the orientation of the device, even when the GPS is turned off, I think the i858 uses the Yamaha MS-3C, the problem seems to be that it is simply not calibrated correctly. (Try the 'Compass' app by Snaptic from the market)

This particular bug is a real shame because Google Sky Map is one of the apps you can use to 'show off' your android phone, even to females!

I previously owned an HTC Hero the 'out-of-the-box' experince on that device was not great as it had a buggy version of Android 1.5 with an early build of Sense. Thanks to the devs on this forum it was transformed into a great little phone running Android 2.1.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] itrimble:
Audio Issues

Has anyone else had the following experiences with their 858. I picked one up yesterday and am really liking it. I do have an issue with the headphone jack. It seems to be very sensitive. I have tried many pairs of headphones and it seems to be choosy about the ones that are accepted. I can get headphones with the 3 rings (left, right, mic) to work , but have been unsucessful with any two ringed headphones. I hope this isn't a dealbreaker ! Also what are you using to play videos ? I have lots of MKV and AVI files that I would love to play while I'm on the BTS.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Sciphone:
... I don't live in UK. A trip to thailand cost over 4500euros from finland so maybe not :D .
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Sciphone:
Enso is scamming site for real. http://www.eurodroid.com/2010/04/report-enso-zenpad-is-vaporware/

The company boss is Italian guy and they accept money from PayPal accounts trought PaymentAsia so customers can't get their money back if they got scammed.Also "privacy policy" and return policy has copied from another site.

The shipping cost not calculated, direct 30$. I had questions to them, so sent e-mail a long time ago and still no answer.

"lexorcanada

04-08-2010 02:03 AM

Zenpad scam! Rip off! Dont order! I ordered i never received it! I read about it nobody received it! They collect the money only!

I sent my complain to paypal.

Beware! "
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] closer66:
Hey sciphone if you need one i can buy for you one and send to finland you should pay. Send me a PM message and i will give you the details.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] jboxer:
Anybody update with r133 download yet?

Just wondering if anyone with r107 has done the update using the r133 rom download. Mine came with r133 so no reason to flash it. If anyone has successfully flashed with this download let me know. I think I figured out a way to modify the flash file to root the device; but before I attempt it I want to make sure that the update recovery method works.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] itrimble:
Android 2.1

I would like to be able to use Android 2.1 or 2.2 on my phone. Are there any possibilities ? Can I take my phone to the imobile center and have them perform the upgrade ?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] jboxer:
2.1 will be ready soon according to I-Mobile. It will only be done at an I-Mobile shop by cable. There are rumors that 2.2 is in the works by the company that makes the phone (Yuhua) so there is a good chance we will get it. The hardware is capable of it and the processor can be overclocked to 1Ghz but I wouldn't do that due to overheating concerns.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] jboxer:
It is a stereo jack with a microphone. There should be three rings and four metal conductors. One with only three connectors might be shorting something out inside the phone. I would only recommend using the proper type with a mic input or using bluetooth stereo headphones.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] itrimble:
The problem I get is when I used in ear (soft) headphones. They always get very quiet. The open air headphones provide decent volume. Any recommendations on this ? I really hate using open air headphones because they are quite painful to my ears. Also... do you have a good music player recomendation and also know what settings I need to have the phone play XVID, AVI files... ?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] jboxer:
Install Zimly from the market. It will play most files.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] closer66:
Hey guys i try to use that update_r133.zip and renamed to update.zip and format card fat and also try format 32. But always failed to update.

I have already pre- install r133 just want try is work s or not.

maybe some one have ID why not works??

Starting recovery on Sat Jan 1 00:00:22 2000

framebuffer: fd 4 (480 x 800)

I:text_cols 48 text_rows 32

Fixing execute permissions for /cache

E:Can't open /cache/recovery/command

Command: "/sbin/recovery"

ro.secure=0

ro.allow.mock.location=1

ro.debuggable=1

persist.service.adb.enable=1

ro.product.device=cosmos

ro.factorytest=0

ro.serialno=

ro.bootmode=unknown

ro.baseband=unknown

ro.carrier=unknown

ro.bootloader=unknown

ro.hardware=saar

ro.revision=0

init.svc.recovery=running

init.svc.adbd=running

RecVer:not find

Recovery tools:

MENU: Sd-card update

CALL: Factory reset

HOME: Reboot system

I:Key 158 pressed, alt 0

Search /sdcard/update/*

E:Cannot open dir /sdcard/update/

Installation failed.

Recovery tools:

MENU: Sd-card update

CALL: Factory reset

HOME: Reboot system

I:Key 102 pressed, alt 0

Recovery tools:

MENU: Sd-card update

CALL: Factory reset

HOME: Reboot system

I:Key 102 pressed, alt 0

Recovery tools:

MENU: Sd-card update

CALL: Factory reset

HOME: Reboot system

I:Key 102 pressed, alt 0

Recovery tools:

MENU: Sd-card update

CALL: Factory reset

HOME: Reboot system

I:Key 102 pressed, alt 0

Recovery tools:

MENU: Sd-card update

CALL: Factory reset

HOME: Reboot system

I:Key 192 pressed, alt 0

E:Can't open /sdcard/update/update.log
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] jboxer:
Got ADB access but cannot succesfully root i858

I was able to get ADB access to the device. When I get home I will detail how to do it. I will prob start a new i858 hacking thread and post a link in this thread. It is a bit tricky and you have to go through the ritual again every time you reboot the device. I have tried changing the permission of su in /system/bin to 4755 and 6755 but this is not giving me root. When I run ADB it is running as root. Now that we can get into the guts of this device what do we need to do to root it. SU, busybox and superuser.apk are pre-installed. I figured just changing permissions of su would do it but that did not work. Any input on this would be appreciated. IF we work together we should be able to do some great stuff to this phone.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] jboxer:
The image must be renamed to "update.zip" and put in a folder called "update" on the root of the SD card.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] closer66:
Thanks for sharing the infomartion with us. I sucsessfull flash my device with r133 befor i flash i dlete some apps like the lunch manager waterloo and the other and also sipdroid and few thinks more. now i have more space for install my programs i like.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] itrimble:
App2SD

Have you tried the program APP2SD to get more space back ?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] itrimble:
Since my phone already came with R133 on it, is there any advantage to me rooting my phone ? Also could I install an alternate launcher once the phone is rooted ?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] jboxer:
New thread for rooting the i858

I have started a new thread for everyone to get their heads together and root the I-Mobile i858. Today I figured out how to get ADB access and outline how to do it in this thread.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=7612071#post7612071

Of course, you need to install the Android SDK and install the tools to talk to the phone once you get ADB access.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] jboxer:
You don't need to root the phone to install an alternate launcher. Just find one that will work with 1.6 and install the apk.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] jboxer:
i858 is now rooted!

Device has been successfully rooted. Go to thread below for more info.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=7630063#post7630063
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] jboxer:
Anybody else have this problem? About once a day my phone will drop the signal and the radio stops working. It won't reconnect until I reboot the phone. I am using TOT3G in Bangkok. Maybe I should change to AIS but then I would only have EDGE service. I think it is a software issue and not a hardware problem.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] bkkdaya:
t-bon3, i am using RMaps. Seems to be reliable. Allows to choose diff. map providers.. :)
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] jboxer:
How many metal contacts do you have under the battery door?

I am wondering if my phone is normal of if a contact is missing. When you remove the battery door, which doubles as the GPS Antenna, there is a metal contact that springs up on the right side of the device that is used to complete the electrical connection to the battery door so it can be used as the GPS Antenna. On the other side of my i858 there is a hole but no contact. Do you guys have two contacts or just one like I have. Just wondering if something got left off of my device.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] bkkdaya:
.... just one contact same like your device.... :)
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] itrimble:
Recomended Settings for Video

Hi All, I can not get suitable performance from video I have copied onto the phone. Does anyone have any recomended settings for the video (i.e. bitrate, size, extension, codec...) I have been pulling my hair out trying to watch decent video.

Thanks !

Any more news on 2.1 or 2.2 support ?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] jboxer:
New ROM almost ready

According to Droidsans.com the new 2.1 ROM is almost ready and might be released next week. It will require flashing by cable at I-Mobile due to bootloader being replaced. They are fixing many bugs like no notifications for Gmail when screen is off and adding WiFi tethering. If you go to the URL below using Google Chrome it will translate it from Thai to English.

http://www.droidsans.com/new-i858-rom-pre-final-android-2.1-r918
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] bkkdaya:
:D :D :D happy news
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] jboxer:
You can get 2.1 now if you go to I-Mobile HQ

If you got to the I-Mobile HQ on Chaeng Wattana Rd in Pakret, Nonthaburi, Mon to Fri from 8:30 to 17:30, I-Mobile will flash your i858 to 2.1 pre-release. Once you have them do that your bootloader will be updated and you can then flash any 2.1 updates via the SD card. One has already been posted on droidsans.com (link below) to 2.1 pre-final release 969 with wifi tethering in the build. I will try to get down there one day next week if I can to get mine updated. It is pretty far away from Central BKK and not easy to get to. If you know where the new Immigration office is the I-Mobile HQ is in the Software Park Building about 5km further down the road on the opposite side of the street.

I-Mobile i858 upgrade to 2.1 pre-final release 969. Note: Do not attempt to flash if your phone is currently running 1.6. It will fail as the bootloader identifies the phone with a different name. For 2.1 the bootloader must be flashed by I-Mobile using their engineering tools to change the phone identification in the bootloader. Once you are upgraded to 2.1 by I-Mobile you can use this file on an sd card in a folder named update. The version I-Mobile is flashing at their HQ is older than the build link above. So you go to I-Mobile to get your phone upgraded and then flash this to get latest build.

Remember, there is always a risk with flashing and I am not responsible if you brick your phone.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] bkkdaya:
jboxer, any chance if I go to MBK and check.