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[Droid X General] FtL1776:
What is with people and this stupid mental disorder of "get the government involved," crap, specifically when you cite the wrong bureaucracy shows that you're a moron.

As the ruling has said, what happens on the phone once you jailbreak it, as long as it is received legally, there is no crime committed, preventing you from jail breaking is not illegal and never should be, seriously you have to be a retard if you believe the government should be involved in stopping how programs are coded and locked, if Verizon doesn't want you to be tethering without you paying them for that, that is THEIR right, it's their property.
[Droid X General] grdm:
There is no grounds for a lawsuit, you would get laughed out of court. Why do people always think that companies will instantly bow to any lawsuit, even crazy ones. Besides, a judge has to GRANT YOU class action status based on the merits of the case. You don't just walk in and say oh I want to do a class action suit.

Also, in terms of pure hypocrisy, you cannot make an open-source type product and praise it for its open-sourceness only when developers and companies DO THINGS YOU LIKE. Just because Motorola decided to take the software and put locks on it (they could because it is meant to allow people to do WHATEVER they want with it) and we are having problems because of it, does not mean they are doing anything illegal or even against the terms of use.

The only thing Motorola MAY be guilty of is violating the SPIRIT of the software and the SPIRIT in which it was released.
[Droid X General] Devoncoon:
What if GM decided to make all 2011 Corvettes silver?

Would you figure that we should file a class action suit against GM because we now have to go and spend money to get a different color? You knew when you bought it that it was silver. You knew that it would be a pain in the rear to change the color. If you don't like it, by a different car. How is this any different? Or what if you wanted to change the service provider of the Onstar system? It is impossible. I don't hear anyone screaming for a lawsuit here either. They made the phone. They made it how they wanted to. They did not lie or mislead as to what they were selling. If you don't like how they made it, DON'T BUY THE PRODUCT!! I don't see how this is so difficult for people to understand.

It is every company's right to produce the products how they want to. It is the consumer's right to decide not to purchase the product if they don't like it.
[Droid X General] randallman:
Search wikipedia for 'Tivoization'. I wouild post a URL but I cannot do so as I am a 'new user' and it's telling me I cannot link to the outside sites.

This is not the first time this has happenned, and it is not the last time it will happen...

This is why GPLv3 was championed by RMS/GNU and it is also why Linus Torvalds has been quoted as disagreeing...

I tend to agree with RMS on this one... The use of open source (copyleft?) software in commercial devices is perfectly OK, but the subsequent prevention of the spirit of open source activities on these devices is NOT ok... again IMHO.

Unfortunately, there's really no way as far as I know that the Linux kernel would be moving to GPLv3, even if Linus wanted it to since all of the past public code contributions have been made to the kernel under GPLv2...

On the other side of the coin, you might suggest that the capitalistic way of 'voting with your dollar' will work. However, as stated previously we're the vocal minority in a group of people who probably could care less than the phone is using open source software or that it can be customized by the development community beyond what the manufacturer(s) have done already. The likelyhood that 'voting with our dollar' will help is slim to none... We also have other criteria such as cell phone provider (my case, VZW offers the only really good coverage and my company uses VZW so all of the calls between engineers are free) and requierments such as having a full hardware keyboard really limit the choices that I have as a consumer. Add the requirement of an 'unlocked bootloader' and there's just no phones available that meets my requirements (VZW, keyboard, unlocked bootloader, android)

--Randall
[Droid X General] Zaphod-Beeblebrox:
I'm going to sound a little bit like I'm swapping sides of the argument here, but there is still value in the 'vocal minority' putting pressure on the carrier and the manufacturer. Expressing your desire as a customer (through petitions, e-mail campaigns, etc) may or may not yield success, but it costs little to try, and you can be certain of failure if you don't at least try.

Just don't confuse those actions with 'Making' Moto hand over the control to our phones, or getting Google to 'put a stop to it'. As if they don't have the right to lock their phones.

Ultimately you vote with your dollar. You always have choices. They may be between 'Bad' and 'Worse', but its still a choice.

-Z
[Droid X General] randallman:
Right, but people in the minority have almost ALWAYS asked for governance/jurispudence to solve their issues.

Case and point - Same sex marriage... The majority of US citizens do not want to see same sex marriage, yet those who do continue to try to back-channel legislation to allow them to get married legally. The same concepts apply to the civil rights movement. I know, these are just phones and the issue pales in comparasion to the aformentioned examples... But it's not abnormal for the vocal minority to seek government involvement to choose the 'moral' path in a capitalistic world where the vendor/manufacturers/general population are not necessarily making the moral choice.
[Droid X General] tke_800:
I would hold off on calling people morons and retards until you learn how to write a legible sentence. Oh, and what are you referring to when you say "it's their property", the phone? Because the phone is not their property. If I went to Verizon HQ and smashed my Droid X on the concrete the worse recourse VZW would have is to have me charged with littering.

I agree with the idea that Verizon had a lot to do with the eFuse (well the bootloader check portion of it). My last phone was a Samsung Omnia, and I suffered through the mess of Verizon making Samsung disable the built-in GPS to only work with Verizon Navigator. Verizon swore that it was for "security" reasons and rode that horse for months. But then a few months later they released an update that unlocked the GPS... convenient. Money controls all and a company is going to do what makes them the most money, regardless of what is morally right (I use the word morally very loosely). :cool:
[Droid X General] mrmomoman:
Hack away people but please don't come on this board or any other board to complain about how Verizon or any other carrier refused to honor your warranty because you had the right to Root your phone. Or how they didn't want to help you out. I have seen it on many different forums where people are posting threads asking for how to unbrick a phone and that they followed all directions and it bricked. Blah Blah Blah - that is why the ROM Chefs/DEV's put up disclaimers.

You have the right to smash it, piss on it, or whatever you want but you don't have a right to complain when a manufacturer or the carrier refuses your warranty post-root/hack.

I know insurance will be on the rise because there will be claims for lost/stolen phones when they brick their phones.

Yes I like to root my phones and experiment but I also do it without insurance as I am the one to blame when things go wrong. (Knocking on Wood) so far so good - no losses.
[Droid X General] derek4484:
I think all you people standing up and defending Motorola are crazy or either a company shill. This whole way of thinking that the software must be married to the phone is so wrong. If you purchased a new Dell computer, then when you received it you found out that it was running a customized version of windows that you couldnt remove and it controlled what programs you could install on it, you'd be mad as heck. And whats worse, is the computer had an e-fuse on it that was designed to brick the computer if you tried to load a non-Dell version of windows on it. Whats wrong with that picture?? I'll tell ya, the fact that I just spend oh $600 or so on a computer and I cant even run whatever OS I want to on it, and I cant install whatever software that I want to on it. Exact same thing with a phone. I/you purchase a Droid X for $600 and here motorola is, telling you that you have no right to remove their version of Android and put a stock version on it (or any other OS you want, maybe winmo or iOS if you felt inclined to). And whats worse is, you'll only get OS updates that come from them and you'll only get them when they feel like giving them to you.

Whatever happened to I bought the hardware, I can run any type of software on it I feel like??

I realize things have worked this way in the US for a long time, but that doesnt make it right. And now that our phones are becoming more and more powerful and there are more OS choices out there, we should be able to run whatever software we want on our phones (as long as we dont break any FCC transmitting/receiving laws).

That's why I said a good class action lawsuit is in order. Every single owner of a droid X is in the same situation and is being wronged by Motorola. That would get class action approval.
[Droid X General] Zaphod-Beeblebrox:
When have you EVER had that situation with a Phone?

Computer, maybe ... but even that is at the mercy of the manufacturers willingness to release drivers and/or specs for the OS you want.

Every try to upgrade an old computer only to find that there are no video drivers for the OS you want to run?

How about putting OS X on a PC? You can buy OS X without a computer. You can buy the same hardware. But you can't load it on there without breaking Apple's license. How about you go sue them first, then come back. ok?
[Droid X General] randallman:
I personally think a company's Intellectual Property rights to dictate end-user usage should END *immediately* after they sell the product. The fact that a company can DESTROY (brick, render unbootable without vendor intervention, etc..) your device if you choose to try to use it against their vision is insane! On the other side of the coin, vendors such as Verizon are entitled to monitor and determine if theft of service is an issue (e.g. tethering w/o paying). With just a TAD bit of effort on the vendor's part, they could detect and stop this behavior... Likewise, software vendors should be able to add features to prevent blatent piracy, but this isnt really an issue with Android-based smartphones due to the GPL-nature of the licensing on the base OS.

This phenomena is not something you see in normal every day products... For example, If I want to go buy a Ford Focus and choose to use it as a drag racing car, noone is going to stop me. Sure, I might be adversely effecting my car by modifying parts for racing thereby voiding large parts of my warranty, but its not illegal, immoral, or otherwise considered 'hacking'. Moreover, if I want - I can put an engine from a Chevy Impala into the Ford Focus and noone is going to stop me as long as I can still pass the government emmision inspections. I realize that this may not be the case in countries such as France where they heavily legislate automobile modifications, but here in America we can do what we want with 99% of what we buy!

Why is software on embedded systems really *that* special? What in our generally accepted human moral codes (religous or secular), besides our lovely copyright law, gives these vendors the right to do this? Is it because copyright law isn't keeping up with 'the times'?

I can only imagine that in the years to come, we'll have OS-Locked Windows PCs and we wont be able to install Linux, Solaris x86, BSD, or even FreeDOS on them because the bios bootloaders are using public key cryptography to verify signatures on the boxes. These will be terrible days... And the canned response of 'If you don't like it, don't buy it' doesnt cut it for me since these types of situations tend to result in there being no alternative choices besides 'Deal with it'.
[Droid X General] Zaphod-Beeblebrox:
Go ask you average independent mechanic just how much access they have to the computer systems in current gen cars. You'll find it easier to crack the Moto Bootloader than to interface those systems.

Of course you can try. Just like you can try with the Moto. In both cases, if you break it, your on your own.

And to say there is no alternative is patently false. You just don't like your choices. Most of HTC's phones are broken now, right? I think the Galaxy has already been rooted and unlocked.

I want to see custom Roms on this phone as much as anyone, I just hate this entitlement mentality that Moto somehow owes you anything more than what they said they would sell you: A phone with a locked Bootloader. Everyone on this forum knew it before they bought the phone. If you didn't, well I'm sure the 30 day return policy is still valid for you.
[Droid X General] randallman:
Actually, with OBD II released in 96, things are more consistent across car models... but each car manufacturer has their own scan tools, etc. For cars that are popular to modify, 3rd party tuning software exists... the car companies aren't locking down the settings in their software afaik...

And as for there being an alternative, I debate this. The HTC models I've seen do not have physical keyboards and the galaxy isn't on verizon yet... if all else were constant, perhaps i'd use a different carrier... but they aren't, plus I'm contractually obligated to verizon, my entire family uses verizon, my company uses verizon, and my sister is a consultant for verizon...

Also, you said it yourself... these other phones hhave been 'hacked'.. why do we have to 'hack' things we buy so we can do what we want with them? Why is it the vendor vs. the consumer. Matter of factly, why would a vendor even do this? Its not like tivo where they had to make an effort to prevent piracy by locking down access to the device or risk suit from the MPAA... are they just trying to curtail warranty clims on modified phones? In car-land, this is easy... if the car is modified, the components effect by the modification are not under warranty anymore!

Edit - also, if you break your car modifying it, SOMEONE be it the dealer or through aftermarket parts can fix the car... with the X, if you brick it - do you think VZW s going to help you for any amount of money?
[Droid X General] Zaphod-Beeblebrox:
I can't believe I'm letting myself get drawn into this troll-fest, but oh well. Here

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Wrong. OBD II is very limited in its scope. To do any realy work on modern cars you will need access to dealer specific systems. Many of these don't even have an aftermarket alternative. They are dealer only.

What Droid X do you have that has a Keyboard?

The Droid 1 is unlocked, rooted, has custom roms with Froyo, you name it. Droid Inc Has custom Roms available. Knock yourself out. Both are avail on Verizon.

Several reasons. Some of it revolves around protecting their IP (software - Blur, Etc), some to prevent you from damaging the phone. Just because they claim it voids the warranty doesn't mean phones don't get returned. And also VZW wants to keep people from Tethering, and other network activities that they can't charge for/ or control.

And the repair usually involves replacing the module you screwed up. In this case, it would be the whole phone.
[Droid X General] randallman:
Don't mean for this to be a trollfest, so let's just agree to disagree.

Some important open source advocates tend to agree that open source software on closed systems is against the spirit of open source software such as richard stalllman (inventor of gnu and gpl) and alan cox (huge linux kernel developer)

As for obdII, it makes engine swaps easier to wire into existing components such as the dashboard and wiring harnesses... and the dealer specific stuff is expensive, but is available if you know the right folks

I don't own a X, but I do own a droid... but I am concerned about the future of android and god forbid my phone is lost or damaged, ill get screwed with a locked up phone.
[Droid X General] grdm:
Like i was saying, if anything it is against the spirit of the software and the GPL, but they have done nothing illegal or against the rules.

SO this "they have to give us control by law" and "let's file a class action lawsuit" stuff needs to end.

If someone decides to take GPL software and lock it down tight, then well, that's their prerogative. If you truly stand behind the GPL, then stand behind it fully. Principles mean nothing if you only stand by them when its convenient.
[Droid X General] poptart629:
This is not entirely true. Being a former Dell Tech I can tell you that Dell will not stop you from changing the OS. much like Moto and VZW cant really stop you from changing the OS on your phone....with one exception. Dell will tell you that if you want tech support or warranty support or support of any kind from them that you MUST agree to operate your machine using the guidelines they have established e.g. use the OS the machine came with, and they will not support 3rd party software that ****s up how the system runs etc. the same is true with your phone PLUS the phone carriers have the right to NOT allow a severely altered phone on their network because there is potential for that altered phone to screw it up for those masses who don't root/jailbreak or whatever. I'm not a fan of these kind of things, but I can kinda see the logic....
[Captivate General] greeto4:
I was told before I bought the captivate that there was an app to download you tube videos to the hard drive. Does anyone know how to do this?

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-

I897 using XDA App
[Captivate General] mesasone:
I've used an app called "VideoBox". It's free, but you have to sign up for an account (you can make the account from with-in the app). I'm not sure where it's storing the video files, but you can only watch them in VideoBox currently. There is another app(YouTube Ripper I think it's called) that is supposed to allow you to download videos from right with in the YouTube app, but it appears to be broken currently.

Hope this helps.
[Captivate General] greeto4:
yes it helps thank you. I was under the impression that there was already something on the device that would do this.
[General Questions and Answers] sabreful:
This being my first thread, I welcome you and apologize if this is in the wrong area. xda-dev has been able to finely hone and perfect a whole bunch of android awesomeness, and have been through it with the MT3G and the G1. I have recently come across a mt3g Slide and would like too root, not load a custom ROM. After countless hours of trying and trying again the xda tutorial on the mt3gs root procedure, which I unfortunately can't post the link to due to this being a new account.

therefore, google search 'xda-dev root mytouch slide' and it will be the first link

I have successfully pulled out half the hair on my head due to complications, I began searching around for other ways to root the mt3gs but to no avail. I am stuck, and stuck on a very early point, Step 6.

Loop runs fine, when I select to go into recovery while Loop is running, it SHOULD after a few moments show a consistent 'offline device' which is when you can hit 'crtl-c' to stop, and double check that it discovered an offline device by 'adb devices' Then you can continue to step 7.

However, when I select to Recovery while Loop is running, usb unplugged and replugged sounds arise from the computer and 'Loop' successfully finds an offline device almost right away, for 1 instance of the loop. after that there are no devices that it sees, I was running it for an hour before i figured I'd keep trying and noticed that it always finds the offline device at the beginning, and when I crtl-c and run adb devices nothing shows. I have reinstalled the drivers, completely redid androidSDK on my machine, tried it having the 2.1 add-on and without, and still nothing. I would like to get this working properly, and I don't see why it isn't working. Looking around I can't seem to find anyone else having this issue, am I alone in this?

My computer specs are as followed;

Windows 7 Ultimate

Intel P 4 3.00 HGz

1.50 Ram

32 bit OS

This is a very annoying issue that I can't figure out how to get around and any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thank yOU!!!!!!
[General Questions and Answers] texanman:
Welcome to the not stuck club :P

Anyways I had the same issue and was almost to the breaking point myself... But I read how someone else changed out the sdcard and it worked. So I changed out my fast 8gb c6 sd card for the generic 8gb card that the phone comes with. Tried the loop... and it showed offline for a few times then blank... I was then at the breaking point.... Then about 30 mins later I saw my g1 sitting there all lonely on my desk and remembered that a put a old nonhc sd card in the phone...1 gb to be exact... So I took it out of my g1 and placed in in my slide and low and behold it magicly stuck!!!!!!!! So if you can try out different sd cards and see if you can get lucky... Best of luck
[General Questions and Answers] sabreful:
From what I understand on the tutorial, there wasn't anything regarding putting anything ON the sdcard (base, not in any subfolders), which is different than the rest of the rooting procedures I've been through. Am I supposed to put the 'loop', 'ota' and 'update' extracted files in the androidSDK folder on my computer, AND put them on the sd card as well? as well as I tried the whole unplugging the usb for HBOOT instead of HBOOT usb plug thing as well, still nothing.]

**update** I also tried adding the update.zip, ota.zip, and loop files on 3 different sd cards, all of which made no difference, and did not resolve the issue :(
[General Questions and Answers] texanman:
well in my case It would show up a few times then be blank... A swap of the sd card and it constantly showed offline.... This has worked on a few other peoples phones too....

you don't put anything on the sdcard until after you got the device to show up after the loop step... otherwise it deffintaly will not work
[Captivate General] iLoki:
I'm just wondering if anybody was curious enough (and maybe brave enough :p) to try tearing down their new Captivate yet? I started, figured out that if you lift in the middle of the battery lock as you pull out, you can slide it a bit further than normal, exposing the remaining two of the six screws on the back of the device.

However, I was unable to separate the back from the front, and gave up because I didn't want to force it and chance breaking my phone. I think there might be another screw underneath the sticker in the battery cavity, but I'm not certain.

Ok, scratch that, there is NOT another screw underneath the sticker. I just peeled it back a little to check. Theres one small hole where it feels like there might be a screw, but its just a hole :rolleyes:

I am tempted to press on, I'd like to get some pictures of the internal hardware so that we can figure out what this does or does not have, (FM Radio -> I'm lookin at you!)

It definitely looks to be the same basic PCB structure as the Galaxy S i9000. I just which I could get the back cover off without feeling like I'm going to break my phone.

EDIT: I made a little progress, got the back *mostly* separated from the phone. All but one latch at the top of the phone that appears to be very stubborn. I'm not sure if there's an adhesive there or just a stubborn latch, but I can't get it out.

EDIT 2: Got it!!! Its open now, will post pics of its innards soon..
[Captivate General] blackhawk00001:
looking forward to finding out if the fm-radio is possible, was mad after i found out att had disabled it, but if the chip is still there then there's hope
[Captivate General] systoxity:
eating own foot.