yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Windows Phone 7 General] jagan2:
Honestly, it is impressive. Shared your work here:

http://www.techit.in/htc-hd3-powered-by-windows-phone-7-with-htc-sense-3/
[Windows Phone 7 General] _LeCiel_:
Thanks for the link. I'm glad you liked the concept so much. :) You wrote a very flattering article - what a change of pace after all the negative feedback this concept received. :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tom Servo:
It's nice that some people want to spend their time on making **** up, but usually they forget what they're targeting. The design is too ****ing busy for a 4" screen.

Also, the OP seems to be a drama queen that can't tolerate criticism, especially not Internet-level criticism.
[Windows Phone 7 General] GODAWGZ:
That is perfect!
[Windows Phone 7 General] _LeCiel_:
Busy? You've got 7 icons to click on:rolleyes:

4"? Where did you find that? There are no specs in my post.

...grow up.:cool:
[Windows Phone 7 General] Windcape:
Indeed!

+1 for you good sir.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MonteCristoffOn:
Sorry, but I don't see any creativity in this. Copy and Paste some HTC Sense tabs to insert them in tiles, a little gif animated et voila! Nothing new there, nothing original...

You'd better spent your time in designing a real and good WP7 Hub, or going to Android :p

About WP7 design, which is clearly not the subject here, I suggest you read these guides.

Nothing more.

:cool:
[Windows Phone 7 General] Windcape:
@MonteCrisoffOn:

I think a direct link to Microsoft's own site is better than some random untrustworthy download site.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff637515(VS.92).aspx got all the 3 guides.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mmelo76:
Mod: Tone down one the name-calling please, it's not called for.

To all: to criticize must accept criticism and vice versa

At first I am giving a suggestion!
[Windows Phone 7 General] Windcape:
Yeah, he clearly do have a problem with criticism. He sent me this PM:

This should be a proof of this thread is just a "LOOK AT ME, SEE HOW GOOD I AM AT MAKING STUFF IN PHOTOSHOP".

Wake up call: This is a developers forum, not DeviantArt!

Mod Edit: Message removed, private messages are to be kept private and not posted on forum...
[Windows Phone 7 General] havox22:
I think private messages should remain private, yes xda is a dev forum, but this is in a general section. So what if this is a look at me thread if you dont like it just stop coming in it, its not that big its not like his concept will ever be seen on a wp7 device without some hacking
[Windows Phone 7 General] Windcape:
Insulting people in private for telling their opinion in his thread, should hardly be kept secret. The whole idea with threads is to encourage discussion about subjects.

It's a developers forum, so *****ing about getting developer feedback is hardly something that should be considered acceptable by the general community.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mmelo76:
Last warning!

Let's keep the discussions in a minor key.

I could not say better.

Now if someone wants to comment on the theme of the topic feel free, now it is about right, wrong, well done or poorly done, I suggest be very careful, discretion and respect!
[Windows Phone 7 General] _LeCiel_:
You should really reread your posts. I think constructive criticizm is the best thing a designer can read/head BUT you're not trying to help me improve in a future concept - just *****ing about how you hate everything about this one. People like you discourage designers/developers on xda from creating future projects. there's a difference between "I see you've spend a lot of time, but what = don't like is..." and "you killed wp7, your Sense design is ****. stop it 'cause my eyes burn" ('cause that's pretty much what your saying :rolleyes:).

Finally I would like to say this is the last time I'm responding to your posts so save your breth.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Windcape:
@_LeCiel_:

Funny enough, the people you *****ed back at did write no such thing:

@mmelo76:

Lock the post, and let it disappear into the endless void of other threads, it deserves nothing more. There's little meaning to defend a OP that insults anyone providing constructive criticism, and even sends them insults in private messages. Certainly not on what's meant to be a developers forum, I would think.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mmelo76:
Actually this kind of topic is not a developer, so it's in general!

This is a concept, so there will be people who will like and others do not.

But it's also a "work", if this is good or bad, it's hard or easy, it is not for the trial. What can be reviewed is: can improve, or not, but always taking into account that it was a "person" who did. Once this person is susceptible to errors, and hit, feelings and wishes.

The thread is in the right place if people disagreed with what was done, they can even post provided he fulfills his colleagues ... I will not be quoting the forum rules, because you are a frequent user and know, so if for you this thread should be closed, stop then how to actually close it, it's moderation that we'll decide, but i still appreciate your suggestion.

But thank you observe my suggestions!
[Windows Phone 7 General] _LeCiel_:
Official Specification for the HD3 WP7 Sense 3 Concept

Back on topic:

I would like to update the first post with the Concept's official specifications. Looking forward to your propositions :) Please keep it realistic.

Already included in the design:

- HDMI

- front facing camera

- build-in dual speakers

- USB 2.0

Specs by Thrystan from www.concept-phones.com):

- 1.5 GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon CPU (dual core maybe?)

- 4.3 inch Super AMOLED display (800 x 480 pixels)

- 32 GB internal memory

- microSD card slot

- Bluetooth 3.0

- WiFi b/g/n

- 512 MB RAM

- 8 megapixel camera with 4x optical zoom and dual LED flash

- 1500 mAh battery
[Windows Phone 7 General] kroniced:
concept drawing

No disrespect on your concept but it is just a bunch of little widgets that link to the actual apps.
[Windows Phone 7 General] _LeCiel_:
Yeah I know.:) Isn't that what WP7 is about? The tiles show some info (weather, messages etc) without the need to launch the app or, like with the music tile, you can control the app directly from the homescreen.
[Windows Phone 7 General] 12aon:
People criticizing without helping to improve is useless and unkind, the author has been very reasonable about this so far, but enough is enough. If you have nothing useful to say don't post it!

@WindCape, RustyGrom an Fermat: I have had to close a thread yesterday bedause of you guys if you don't behave there will be consequences.
[Windows Phone 7 General] _LeCiel_:
Thank you. :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Wish MS thought this way. Metro uses too many swypes.
[Windows Phone 7 General] havox22:
I look at it like this...there is only so much thats gonna fit on the screen, so your gonna have to swipe anyway no matter what platform your on. left and right or up and down..plus on android & iphone you have to swipe left of right to get to your pages on the home screen...when i had an iphone i definitely had to many swipes
[Windows Phone 7 General] Windcape:
Swypes is a much more suited gesture for navigation on a touch device, than a button click.

Clicks usually require proper angle, and the ability to hold the device solid, where swypes can be done pretty much all the time.

I don't understand why people enjoy having to use the phone's physical back button all the time, instead of just swyping left.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
I can agree with this but on every single WP7 video, they press the back button or start button numerous times.
[Windows Phone 7 General] abledanger:
Like others have mentioned, I dig the appeal of the simple approach that is the metro design. It focuses on making content the beautiful part of the design, rather than the surrounding eye candy. Plus I'm a sucker for typography.

Having said that, I think you did an awesome job with this concept. If it were possible to do this sort of customization with WP7, I think many folks would welcome this as the next evolution of sense.

I'd like to see what you could come up with for a sense hub :-)
[Windows Phone 7 General] asherpat:
Why oh why oh why

Why dont anyone (except, alas, Apple) understand that to be a credible games form-factor, there ABSOLUTELY MUST be symmetry of screen when device is held in landscape.

Can I ask the designer, Luke (of any of the participants here) whether the offset of screen on this concept (a small one, I think due to the hardware buttons row, but still) is by design or by omission?
[Windows Phone 7 General] markus_del_marko:
this looks freaking awesome to me. if wp7 looked anything like this id go back to winmo from droid. great work op... i hope someone is watching this.
[Windows Phone 7 General] _LeCiel_:
By omission.:) To make the device absolutely symmetric I would have to add a 0,5 cm gad between the upper speaker and the screen. I was looking for a place to put the HTC logo in but it never came to me to just make the device a bit higher so I just decided on leaving it out (it would still be present on the back of the device).

That's a really good point though. Maybe I'll do an alternative design to correct it.;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] paperclips:
Not bad at all. I wouldn't buy it but I can see how some people may prefer it over the original. Decent work on the concept.
[Windows Phone 7 General] blaiz123:
I can appreciate the creativity that went into making this, but this is by no means a finished product or something that would attract a good number of people to purchase the phone... Even for a concept this is a bit roughed up, and it honestly makes me fear how badly HTC will mess up Microsoft's design when they incorporate sense into the UI.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
They can't change the UI, only add apps (or a 'hub'). And even then you can just remove it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] blaiz123:
Thanks I didn't know that, at least they're giving you options, and who knows it might actually look pretty good (but I doubt it)
[Windows Phone 7 General] asherpat:
Thanks for the clarification.

You say "To make the device absolutely symmetric I would have to add a 0,5 cm gad between the upper speaker and the screen."

I guess that is due to the hardware buttons row that you must place for the WP7. May I suggest the following solution. Silk-print the button icons on the bottom speaker grille and have them operated either electrically (capacitive) or even mechanically, with the grill being depressable, perhaps from a special, more elastic material, than the top grille.
[Windows Phone 7 General] _LeCiel_:
Actually I don't like that idea. I'm still not sure was the front-facing camera on the upper speaker a good idea. I wouldn't buy a phone with WP7 buttons on the speaker so I'll stick to my own concept. But I'll still make an alternative version with that HTC logo between the upper speaker and screen.
[Windows Phone 7 General] /rant/:
If they are gonna make Windows Phone 7 pretty, it HAS to look like this. I think you did very well and this concept should be what they should aim for as a result. Because right now, Windows Phone 7 has an interesting touch, but without Sense it looks really bad. I absolutely hate what I have seen so far, but your work looks great :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] blaiz123:
How people differ...
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
He put a lot of time and thought into that post and it's not very nice to give negative feedback.
[Windows Phone 7 General] TheDeadCPU:
I need this device.
[Windows Phone 7 General] souljaboy:
please consider releasing ur writing .. we'll help make it better
[Windows Phone 7 General] Aaron McCarthy:
He LeCiel,

Just thought I'd give you some input on your mock up.. Just AWESOME.

I've posted a link to this thread and your photos over in this thread:

[07/13/10][Suite 1.7]Windows Phone 7 Suite for ThrottleLauncher by fireslave

My two cents... maybe you could get together with whom ever is doing the graphics and somehow help make this a working reality for a WP7 skin for current phones. I have no doubt that this would actually almost make the real windows 7 look like a toy. Imagine a skin that runs the same (or at least similar) to windows 7 and yet looks a million times better!!! This would be pretty awesome.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Hammerfest:
angle or square off the terrible rounded edges/curves, change from 3 front to 5 front, then you win... until then... bleh... iPhone wanna be... (make no mistake the design is a good 40% different, but its still too close to a phone and os -at least unjailbroken- that I dispise)
[Windows Phone 7 General] sumedh_vsk:
the best looking device i have seen so far...:D

great work...

would it look better if it had wp7 buttons like in HD- touch based and not like HD2 :rolleyes::rolleyes:
[Windows Phone 7 General] Metastable:
Outstanding work, the double speaker and capacity buttons are very nice.

Before you criticize you should know that Microsoft has a restriction that WP7 phones have only 3 front buttons...
[Windows Phone 7 General] tenzin:
Well done !!!! WP7 looks really great that way ; I want that on my WP7 phone this autumn :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] dkduck:
I actually don´t understand those people who critisize skinner´s work, they are putting a lot of effort to let others to use there work if they like it - if you don´t like the work or can come up with constructive critisizm, leave it and don´t download it - it´s your own choice.

I appreciate such a work here, and if I like it I download it and try it, if I don´t like it I don´t download it.

And if I think something may could be changed in a positive way, I try to tell it nicely....
[Windows Phone 7 General] kanwal236:
just so you are able to grasp this,

I am a hater of windows phone 7

i find it ugly, enough to make me want to do smash tests on em (can't afford one anyway)

BUT

this looks awesome, i'd buy this :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] adriancn:
... go work

Dear users

First, sorry for my English.

Second, Microsoft WM7 will be a big ****. We struggled for over a year and did not even see the end on top, has no connection with WM7 for PC, like the concept.

I speak so because I am a professional design and I think besides flezibilitate, screens should be and that desingn ataragatoare which is not the case at WM7. IU SENSE or SPB still prefer, even if their use is cumbersome.

Trend, as you see, is the socializing and this is becoming more visible in Andoid.

I think, to have a phone as a portable PC (with all its facilities) have to wait 'Super screen' folding of 5 'or 7' and then all your problems will only miniaturization, not capacity (processing power, graphics cards with higher speeds and resolutions, etc.)..

Congratulations on the effort. Your proposal looks much better than others posted on this site. Expecting something even better (... it that when people from HTC will "peeking" at the work site and its members would go on the market with ever-silly).

(with help google translate - :D)
[Windows Phone 7 General] savezia:
Info

I'm sorry, can I post this beautiful work into the Windows Phone 7 Backstage forum? there's a thread about the coolest phone design, and by coolest I mean nice to look at and that fits the metro UI
[Windows Phone 7 General] frauhottelmann:
I read the whole thread and find it quite funny what some people write and how they're making a big deal out of this :D

The work you've done is quite good and I like the device itself (with hardware buttons, I still find them a lot better than capacitive, because you can't feel capacitive buttons in the dark (and I know they light up at some point, but until then you have no clue to where they are))) for being so simple.

Regarding the software design, it sure looks nice. But M$ made it pretty clear that they don't want Sense/TouchWiz/S Class and co messing up their design. And I see the point of that. But even with what you have done here (great job) Metro doesn't look good. It's off-center and it wastes space at the top (I am just stating facts about Metro not your design) and the arrow for the app tray is not a good idea anyway :D

When it comes to what HTC will be able to do it probably comes down to apps that you can pin to Metro and then display their information there (like weather, social and news reader and other) but hopefully with some realistic graphics (I don't like the simplistic approach M$ takes, I mean why did we wait for this until we have 1 GHz phones).

Looking back 5 years, we had 200 MHz CPUs with no dedicated GPU in our phones (except for some Dell monster PDAs ;) ) and today they are 5 times faster, so a dual core CPU with 1.5 GHz (or even 2) isn't too optimistic.

I think 3.7 or 4.0 inch displays are pretty much the sweet spot for a smartphone, it should fir in my pocket. But since we are in 2015 a 720p resolution should be the norm. We are talking HTC here so there is a possibility of AMOLED (or Super-AMOLED once Samsung produces for others), Super-LCD or what my personal favorite would be: color-E-Ink with a LCD-ish response time (or a combination of the first 2 and E-Ink for e-reading (wow, a lot of e :D )) (or of course some future technology that doesn't exist yet or can't be manufactured). I mean we are talking 2015 here, so nobody really knows what will be possible then.

Camera wise 8 or 10MP with a decent-sized sensor is good and maybe (if they are ready for production then) some liquid lens system for optical zoom (isn't it nice to dream something up :D) And of course a HD-front-cam for HD-video talk.

And to go with the good camera and display we of course need some good storage. A 64GB version should be pretty neat with a microSDXC card option (for up to 2TB of additional storage).

Again I like the concept. Did you make a backside of the phone yet?

EDIT:

Oh and USB 3.0 (since it's out and being deployed now) and some version of LTE (or LTE+ or what they will call the next step).
[Windows Phone 7 General] DavidMc0:
The phone and tarting up of the UI looks great!

Glad you shared this; it's a fun and pretty concept. I think Metro looks rubbish with the blue tiles & no shading etc, and this makes the whole thing come alive for me. Lets hope HTC are allowed to do something with the look & feel once WP7 is released. (obviously with the option for those who like Metro as it is to revert to it)

What I don't like is the ridiculous criticism by some people, but they've been told to behave now and if they continue to moan and give outbursts of completely non-constructive criticism, I hope the mods do take action against them as they'll just discourage people sharing ideas. Sharing this idea may encourage others to take it a step further, or a step to the left or right, so these moaners could prevent a lot of progress in this community if they were not dealt with.

Keep up the good work!
[Windows Phone 7 General] raja'i:
I think this is alot better than microsoft design

well done mate
[Windows Phone 7 General] firetiger:
Dude this looks way bettr than the metro theme. You've just changed my opinion on WP7. :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] thecasimir:
this concept looks very nice :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] ephestione:
phone's too big IMO :)

The one thing I like about hd2 design is that the actual screen takes up most of the front surface of the device.

The sizes of the HD2, as they are now, could virtually accomodate a 4.5" display if only the frame around it was virtually unexistent. Your version though, it has a top frame where the speaker is, which is very large, and same goes for bottom frame.

Ideally, for the HD3 (even if I won't be going to upgrade to it, want to be with this hd2 for a couple of years) I would like to see the same size of the hd2, only the display should completely reach out to the left and right borders, and should "touch" the very bottom of the speaker grill, and the very top of the hardkeys; there, you got a 4.5" screen, maybe with a slight increase of the width of the device.

I am fought between "hard" keys like the ones the hd2 has, and touch keys like the evo ones. The latter are definitely a style breakthrough, but I like to "feel" the keys border in order to choose which one to press without even having to look at it.

So maybe touch keys with a slight "bump" on the screen to identify them should be a nice compromise
[Windows Phone 7 General] _LeCiel_:
First of all I would like to thank everyone who liked or disliked the design and took the time to give me some feedback and/or constructive criticism . This really encourages me to work more on XDA. :)

Now some replies:

What do you mean by 'writing'? I don't understand (probably because of my English;))

Who knows, maybe I will :) I'm still waiting for an amazing WP7 skin to work with. I saw a theme for SPB MS, TL and WAD on YouTube. All of theme were really good, but because of some limitations of the UI I wouldn't leave Sense for them. But I may be wrong and now, after several updates one of the themes works fantastic. I'd have to check it out. :) The problem with WM7 themes is the lack of fluency between the UI and Windows Mobile. To make a WM device look REALLY well with a WP7 theme one would have to skin everything (and I really mean everything). It's a lot easier to make a Metro-inspired mod for Sense 2.5 and other HTC apps that their put on their devices (Phone Canvas, Enzai etc) - that's why I'm working on .sencity (link in my signature). It's nothing like my HD3 concept but Metro-lovers may find it interesting. Still WIP though.

As I said in one of my previous posts I really like some aspects of WP7 - such as the keyboard, dialer, icons and huge-high-contrast text in the hubs, BUT I find the Home Screen with its live tiles EXTREMELY ugly and that's why I won't buy a WP7 device unless this can be skinned or completely replaced (though probably it won't). It may look nice in commercials or on rendered images but in Real Life it's plain ugly. Just take a look at those photos of actual Samsung and LG devices running WP7:

and now compare them with an amazing render:

Unfortunately it doesn't matter how your phone looks on the ads or pictures taken by a high end Nikon camera. It matters how it looks on a shi*ty photo.

Thanks for this really in-depth post. I really appreciate it.:) Your specs are really amazing, but actually we're not in 2015. My previous concept was made for my graphic novel which takes place five years from now, but this is a concept for a today-device that could come out these year.;) That's why I asked the XDA community to come out with some realistic specs. But since there are hardly any posts regarding the phone's specifications I probably won't choose one and in consequence I won't make the back cover for this concept
[Windows Phone 7 General] stylez:
Looks awesome :)

Lovein the new sense idea ;) i have to say i hate squares and infact will be the reason why i won't be purchasing a WP7 device, if only M$ would see we have alot of sense users who would like to stick with it since such a lovely interface.

Thanks for taking to time to create such a cool concept.
[Windows Phone 7 General] spikegotti:
i for one wont be using winphone7, but if it looks like this hell yea, i like it very much... to those who claim no originality, sense 2.5 is just an upgrade to the first manila tf3d that htc brought about, and i think it would be stupid for htc to change the look of sense....

the concept of sense 3 on this thread is what any rightful thinker of an upgraded sense 3 would want... i see no problems whatsoever with the concept, except that its not a real device ;)

keep up the good work dude, i didnt like your first hd3 concept, but i love this one
[Windows Phone 7 General] t3rm3y:
looks ok, so when is this HD3 actually being released? and are there confirmed specs?