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[Desire General] kristovaher:
There will not be an update this weekend. It was a lie.

There is nothing that would imply it will be released. Look at the facts:

* It is highly unlikely that HTC people are being made work in the weekend

* It is even more unlikely that HTC people are being made to work in the weekend evenings (it is now officially the end of work day in Taiwan)

* Thus the weekend would have been a valid target only if it would have been ready in Friday.

* HTC PR department has heavy communication problems with tech department, last week there were already failed announcements by Mark Moons and dutch HTC. And this has been the same before with other updates and other handsets.

* Support announcements, e-mails and whatnot about updates going live are also wrong and mistaken, for there is not a single person in any android related forums, Twitter or Facebook that has actually gotten the update. These support announcements are based on the same HTC announcements, nothing different about them.

* You would expect something would have been leaked by now, as has been the case with previous 'test' builds. But nothing has been leaked.

* What it all boils down to is that no one actually asked the tech department if they were ready. Typical communication problem.

You can hope for the next weekend :)
[Desire General] HDW:
Still got the rest of the day : D
[Desire General] wkd2639:
As I pointed out before - how many real world cases will there be of people getting the new software and then announcing it to twitter and facebook?

I estimate a good 90% of the people who will get the update will have no idea what it is - might not even know it's called Froyo.

Perhaps we should not be specifically looking for the Froyo name on twitter - maybe we need to widen the search to just HTC Desire (everyone should know that much at least)
[Desire General] febelus:
from official facebook htc italy: "Ci siamo! L’attesa è finita! Nel corso del weekend l'aggiornamento Android 2.2 (Froyo) sarà distribuito per HTC Desire! Verrete avvisati della possibilità di scaricare l’aggiornamento in rete durante il controllo automatico di aggiornamento software. Ma le sorprese non finiscono qui! Stay tuned, per scoprirle insieme su questa pagina!"

"Wait is finished!On this weekend Android 2.2 will be distributed for HTC Desire!You will be advise of possibility to upgrade during automatic check for update. But the surprise doesn't finish here!Stay tuned...."sorry for the translate.

I think that the surprise is that there isn't an update!!!! :)
[Desire General] owziee:
Probably it was just a hoax after all...
[Desire General] bigmouth66:
I'm trapped in a Lost episode... Have to push that button...
[Desire General] maxupp:
@kristovaher

1) do you really think the release time has to depend on work times? O_o

i'm 90% sure, that there will be a scheduled automated rollout.

2) what does the european rollout have to do with the htc headquarters in asia??

the german weekend still lasts 12 hours, so there's plenty time.
[Desire General] jammy1:
Has anyone looked at the 'who's online' list on the home page!

Never seen one that busy!
[Desire General] ElVikin:
Well i guess there is not many ppl that have to actully be at work to get the update out.....should have been only to push return on a keyboard if they prepaird enogh relesing news about it before a weekend can be a way to lower the work on support? Do they have open on werkends if not they are smart getting the mail out and becouse otherwise they would get a billuon phonecalls and mails about the update....from eager user if the relese it in 22 minutes that i think they will. The support woyld have alot less to do
[Desire General] gobak:
We got an announcement about upcoming update to Froyo in the Czech republic as well. The newsserver claimed they got the info right via HTC press release email. Still no 2.2 here, through. As I am on vacations I have already wardriven for a place with open WiFi and beer near. GIVE!
[Desire General] Flaggie:
Just saw a message on my phone which was not the normal no updates available and i saw the word wifi, so my heart skipped a beat. But then I actually read the messag :( unable to connect ....

Can't someone just hack one of the servers of HTC, grab the update file and post it somewhere? (don't flick the OTA on, because if you accidentally grab the wrong one, a lot of people would be screwed, whilst when you post it people know it is on their own risk)
[Desire General] kristovaher:
Actually yes, it does depend on work times. I work in IT and weekend releases are always dependant on things getting done before the weekend. So the update must be ready for weekend release to be possible. But even if the IT department would be working during weekend, the weekend would already be over by now, they would not make people work evenings in the weekend just for an update.

My best guess is that it was not ready on Friday, no one simply bothered to ask the tech department. HTC PR sent the announcement live without the update being ready.

Carriers and all those fan sites and news websites depend on PR department of HTC, not the tech department. The leaks of 2.2 have come from tech department first and foremost, and if it was actually ready then it would have also been leaked by now.

But it has not.

There is no spoon.
[Desire General] wkd2639:
Once my script gets a positive response from HTC it will post the direct link to the file so someone can download it and host it somewhere.
[Desire General] Fightspit:
Froyo spotted on Desire !
[Desire General] AdamZA:
I was wondering when hacking would come into the conversation!
[Desire General] ElVikin:
If the leaky thingy is corect as u say....i for one dosen't think they would send out mails of update if they werent really really close to ready or redy to "push" the button. Maybe the leaked the china froyo test just to satticfy us....and get the free help of the wizkids coockers on hera as adam......
[Desire General] isaw:
Really... I work in IT as well, for the past 10 years. I've done many weekend releases. Yes, the code/app/service/whatever to be released MUST be fully approved and signed off from UAT testing, etc. But that doesn't mean unforseen complications never happen. In fact, from my experience, I'd say there's a 70% chance they do.

Wow. I dunno what IT world you work in, but if we have a project due to be released and something causes a delay - we have to stay to get it fixed. Ok, "have" to is not true - but as part of the job spec, I'm a developer at the core and I'm required to support the business/client(s). No one forces you but anyone with an ounce of pride in their work WILL stay to sort the issue.

That's a pretty piss poor guess for an IT specialist. If I had to wager, the weekend means "weekend". They had the code signed off and delivered on friday or even earlier. This "weekend" is the delivery/OTA release. So they have had their release plans signed off and ready to go ahead of time.

They would now be prepping servers, ensuring batchs of the correct IMEI numbers are selected/available/<whatever their process> and perhaps ensuring full high availability of their release. As this is a live/production environment, they simply cannot just "flip" a switch without being certain the process is correct. Otherwise, some people will get a release, others will not - they can't afford to "open the doors" before everything on their release procedure is ticked off.

And given the nature of this work, I'd expect it is NOT a 1 hour job.

I don;t think HTC lied. I don't think HTC intentionally tried to deceive anyone.

Keep in mind they are releasing a fairly hefty update to thousands of people. Any screw up in their work could brick devices. They HAVE to ensure it will not.

So cut them some slack. I would have hoped *someone* in the IT world like yourself would appreciate that :rolleyes:
[Desire General] jobalz:
sorry it didn't :-(
[Desire General] supasye:
What frikkin site is that?
[Desire General] gadgetuk99:
Perhaps Twitter is gettin froyo lol
[Desire General] marmo:
Gogogo!!!!
[Desire General] Raminder1992:
If your phone is not unlocked can you still get the update when it comes out?
[Desire General] jobalz:
now it really says update available!!

http://htc-desire-get-froyo.u4y.eu/
[Desire General] kristovaher:
All that you say is correct, except we are talking about a minor release update here that does not hold back sales or release of any device.

Of course HTC did not lie intentionally, but their PR department made the announcement prematurely, which is the entire point of what I was saying.

I don't have a problem with their tech department, I have a problem with their miserable PR :) And as a developer I have had to endure bad PR in my own work rather often, so miserable PR is worth every critique I can give until they actually start to listen to the team that has to make things happen for the announcements to be accurate.
[Desire General] hjb150:
anyone seen this:

http://htc-desire-get-froyo.u4y.eu/

Update is now available! (-;

Run update-check at your HTC Desire!

nothing on my desire...

[edit] jobalz was faster ;) [/edit]
[Desire General] supasye:
But what site is that? Official?
[Desire General] Cactus42:
Well here's the flip side - I also work in IT and we work a full 24/7 over shifts and on call, and in a large scale software rollout we'd be in all weekend until it was done.
[Desire General] Jancis:
site hxxp://htc-desire-get-froyo.u4y.eu/ says "Update is now available! (-;

Run update-check at your HTC Desire!"

.. checking it on my phone (Latvia) but nothing, must be that webpage is on timezone that has got rollout!! SWEEET!!! IT IS COMMING?! Anyone confirm that please! Woohoo!
[Desire General] ghale:
Yes, yes

LOL!

How nice ! :cool:
[Desire General] supasye:
Nothing here uk
[Desire General] psycop:
This thread is just.... lol....
[Desire General] Daras79:
This site is fake
[Desire General] febelus:
this is another joke!!!!!????????
[Desire General] Kvasirme:
Still nothing in italy..
[Desire General] martintzvetomirov:
I just saw it and I still cannot believe it! My phone still cannot find the update (in Bulgaria).
[Desire General] telnet05:
Nothing in Greece....
[Desire General] Wextercz:
those jokes will kill me ...
[Desire General] supasye:
Nearly 1000 posts.
[Desire General] psycop:
Post number 1000

Okay HTC, fun is over... press the button now! :D

Edit: Damn... someone was faster :p
[Desire General] jobalz:
_-*1000*-_

edit: DAMN :-D
[Desire General] Joddler:
Also nothing in Denmark:(

And I have been checking every 3 hours this weekend:(

I don't think we are getting anything this weekend, unfortunately..
[Desire General] jisin:
FroYo isn't melting

Still Nothing in Switzerland...

*edit*

Would be nice if it comes out "today".

Today is also a National Day in Switzerland ^^
[Desire General] adesonic:
You hit the 1000th post, your prize is.........
[Desire General] Karli:
it's funny how many wanted to make posting number 1000 :)

congratulation to "supasye" for winning the race!

PS: still no update in Austria, so keep this thread alive!
[Desire General] msdl28712:
nothing in the b68 area
[Desire General] mcgon1979:
"No updates available" for me. (Ireland)... Damn I was so convinced this was it. :rolleyes:
[Desire General] EroThraX:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/29/htc-will-ship-all-android-phones-in-china-with-froyo-on-board-f/

Engadget just talked to HTC China, they are definitely shipping all HTC handsets in China with Froyo.

No news on OTA updates though, lets see whether it's purely a Dutch update.
[Desire General] gogol:
Living in The Netherlands ... still no update ... 9:30 AM.

I hate this kind of moment.

I wish I don't know this news, so I won't check update every half hour.

Damn! It's a trick! Mind trick :)
[Desire General] madmac123:
living in austria, i have a unbranded desire and also no update available. waiting ....
[Desire General] cyron_at:
...really funny to read guys; all we can do is sit and wait ;-)
[Desire General] LubbertKramer:
Haha your like me at the moment, trying every 15 minutes if there is a update available, i hope they will update the first released Desire's first, then im first in line with a lot of other people of course (A)
[Desire General] Raminder1992:
Wait ... wait!! Update available!!! Update now?!!!!!

Nah I'm just kidding :(
[Desire General] Zeljko1234:
Maybe it's smart to update after few days, just to see is there no bugs... or who's f*cking cares :)
[Desire General] cyron_at:
when aleady running a custom 2.2 rom will there be an update provided by htc? who knows???
[Desire General] LubbertKramer:
Haha, you got me there, to bad it was a dissapointment at the end of your post...
[Desire General] peewster:
So i have to downgrade to 2.1 before i can use the system update for the official 2.2 update?
[Desire General] cyron_at:
..thats the question...I don't know
[Desire General] antz88c:
Same question here, mine is on 2.1 not rooted but only removed some stock apks using dsixda kitchen, will it update or I need to flash it to official 2.1?
[Desire General] peewster:
Well my guess is that the ones with a custom 2.2 rom have to downgrade, because the Desires with the custom roms already recognizes the 2.2 software so they maybe won't even try to update. . . ?
[Desire General] Raminder1992:
Haha I am sorry.

The good news is that the Twitter guy manages Europe and not just Holland.

However I have been doing some reading and the band news is that the updates will be limited due to a bandwith limit!

So forget automatic updates! Just keep checking it manually! :)
[Desire General] berliner_doch:
From my experience with HTC Hero only Phones with stock ROMs can receive OTA update.
[Desire General] LubbertKramer:
I unrooted my Desire last night and went back to stock rom to be sure the update will go well...

I hope it will start soon now, because Mark Moons is a guy living in Europe, so it will start European time, @androidworld there talking about a start around 12 o clock, because American time...

I hope the first serials will be first in line to get, in that case im one of the first :)
[Desire General] peewster:
Where did they start the count with the serial numbers ?
[Desire General] chiekurz:
As with OTA updates, you have to be on stock ROM. Even if you have 2.1, which is rooted, your OTA update will fail.

I had the same issue, when 1.21 came out. Had to unroot, to be able to update.
[Desire General] mofolino:
Sweden - nothing yet...
[Desire General] GDawes:
Come on htc you are making apple look good
[Desire General] ElVikin:
The responsabpe techs at htc are busy trying to follow this tread. And to be 1000 post...now when thats done maybe there getting back to buissnes
[Desire General] jeffchan:
nothing in mauritius 2 :P
[Desire General] Daras79:
In Poland nothing too
[Desire General] chinitiw:
Hi

Still nothing in Spain :p
[Desire General] GDawes:
It is simple. Htc have done updates before. Same process different set of files.
[Desire General] mplep:
At least Apple give a specific day and do release on that day for everyone. The message from them is clear and central as well, not what I've seen at all from HTC so far. I'm an ex iPhone user FYI and don't plan on going back. My Desire is great without FROYO, but of course the geek in me is impatient for the latest goodie.
[Desire General] martintzvetomirov:
The other script at http://intranet.nptohc.co.uk/wkd2639/ota/index.php which is more believable is getting a negative :)
[Desire General] nirave:
I still wonder on the validity of this statement regarding Froyo this weekend!

If we get FroYo then perfect but if we don't the Desire is still brilliant without it!
[Desire General] knudsen81:
I don't think it will come today but i can only hope :D
[Desire General] Jancis:
i believe it's on different timezone. although no human has reported legit froyo on desire so that site [edit: the one which said update is out] must be a hoax. sad :(
[Desire General] c3p0eu:
it's a hook :))
[Desire General] dingdong3000:
maybe it will come out 23:59 today lol.. doubt it....
[Desire General] jeffchan:
htc just want to do a buzz :)
[Desire General] Jancis:
mine was pretty good but went totally broken and non-functional since google announced froyo. all mine is capable of for last 48hrs is displaying "There are no updates available for your phone". :( stupid broken phone :(
[Desire General] nirave:
LOL a classic case of Yoghurt deprivation then!!
[Desire General] gadgetuk99:
Amazing how non of the sites that reported the news that it would be out this weekend has said nothing about it
[Desire General] Cactus42:
Did anyone actually bother to read the actual release?

“The Android 2.2 (FroYo) update for HTC Desire will start rolling out across Europe this weekend."

Start. That word there.

If they roll out in Germany (as is happening - people are reporting it) to even one person, they have stuck to thier word.

START rolling out is not to have a full and complete update for every owner in europe - far from it.
[Desire General] Joddler:
I have just tipped engadget, that this thread has reached over 1000 posts, and with no one on the official froyo Rom that was sead to be out this weekend..
[Desire General] kristovaher:
No its not happening, no one has gotten the update yet, that any of us know of, in Germany.
[Desire General] gadgetuk99:
Yes start is the operative word there your right
[Desire General] Cactus42:
Guess the guys on HTC Facebook must be lying then
[Desire General] pexon:
Can you confirm with a link this: "as is happening - people are reporting it"?

Thanks
[Desire General] phibxr:
The only report from Germany is a HTC representative stating on Twitter that they have initiated the deployment.
[Desire General] Cactus42:
http://www.facebook.com/HTC?v=wall&ref=ts

Roger Lison UPDATE IN GERMANY I'VE GOT IT!

31 minutes ago · Flag

2 people like this.

Christopher Subat where you got from?

30 minutes ago ·

Stefano Nuwanda Cervellera ‎.......

15 minutes ago ·

Lauritz Bjørn he is from Germany

13 minutes ago ·

Arvydas Legartas Sabutis are you joking or you really got it ?

2 minutes ago ·
[Desire General] Domsdey:
It's not the first person who says "I've got it" without giving any proof..
[Desire General] Salival:
Nothing in Croatia.. Yet.. Hope so :)
[Desire General] losdelrock:
Nip this thread in the Bud.

I can find no mention anywhere on the official HTC website that the Desire will be getting the 2.2 update anytime soon. Just rumours from non-offical people and blogs.

It was rumours that caused America to panic when H. G. Wells' War Of The Worlds was broadcast on a Radio Show and everyone thought aliens were landing in the 1930's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_of_the_Worlds_(radio)#Public_reaction

And let's face it, it is more likely that aliens will land on earth than 2.2 being released to Desire owners this weekend, though I hope I am wrong.

Mind you, if aliens do land, imagine the mobile phones they will have....
[Desire General] knudsen81:
but nobody have taking a pic of they phones with a message of they can download the update, so all people can write i got the update, but nobody have a prouf of it
[Desire General] supasye:
Im an aaalien! Im a leegal aaalien! Na na na nanana na naa naaaaa!
[Desire General] Cactus42:
Yeah, i mean everyone must be out to get us.

Its not possible he's somewhere without a camera, can't take screenshots becue he doesn't know how or doesn't have a camera cos theres a 5mp one attatched to the phone is it.
[Desire General] Wextercz:
and I am Your Father ! Na na na nanana na naa naaaaa! And i am bringing Froyo to You!
[Desire General] jpxdude:
Guys..., I think there was a misunderstanding at HTC HQ:
[Desire General] djoni1980:
Anyone wondering why is HTC announcing most imprortant news through twitter, facebook, etc. Fake accounts maybe? :)
[Desire General] Imperium:
http://htc-desire-get-froyo.u4y.eu/ states:

Update is now available! (-;

Run update-check at your HTC Desire!

But i dont have the update?
[Desire General] affan2:
Roger Lison UPDATE IN GERMANY I'VE GOT IT!

45 minutes ago · Flag

2 people like this.

Christopher Subat where you got from?

43 minutes ago ·

Stefano Nuwanda Cervellera ‎.......

29 minutes ago ·

Lauritz Bjørn he is from Germany

26 minutes ago ·

Arvydas Legartas Sabutis are you joking or you really got it ?

16 minutes ago ·

Andy Messenger Can you confirm this? there's several thousand people in the XDA community awaiting confirmation that the rollout has actually started?

10 minutes ago ·

Peter Sjuan Stahre You are lying... Pics or it didn´t happen...

7 minutes ago ·

Martin Marinov Must be fake!!! Give a screenshot or something!

6 minutes ago ·

Sascha Jahn can't confirm that...there is no update as yet here in GER

2 minutes ago ·

Roger Lison LOL JK GUYS.. I'M WAITING FOR THIS UPDTAE TOO

about a minute ago ·

another clown....
[Desire General] mafdes:
nothing yet in spain :(
[Desire General] wiggy2k:
Perhaps there are many many people here in germany who already got froyo OTA but the phones are all bricked now and they cannot reply here anymore ;)

Over here, no update yet. Will post here when froyo received to my phone.
[Desire General] supasye:
Cnt u tell by the u that site is bull****?
[Desire General] Cactus42:
WEll it turns out that guy is a twat. That said the rest still stands - HTC said START rollout this weekend, that combined with the rumour that 500-1000 only will get it, AND that only HTC NL and Germany have officially confirmed anything m eans we wont get it today. More likely that the 500-1000 will start today, and continue through the week, AND only in NL and Germany.
[Desire General] fuqi:
http://twitter.com/HTC_Ru

@frontieruk the update will be available for the whole EU in the comming few days.
[Desire General] psycho.ro:
This update proves to be the best e-prank evah.
[Desire General] ingFu:
I'd like to see the htc update check counter :D
[Desire General] supasye:
The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he doesnt exist.
[Desire General] djoni1980:
Is there ONE OFFICIAL SOURCE apart from facebook and tweeter accounts? :)

Like official website, not another news website publishing rumors...
[Desire General] hirbehozo:
"few days"

HTC_Ru

@frontieruk the update will be available for the whole EU in the comming few days.
[Desire General] cgorki:
No there is no official source for that statement.

Some bigger tech-news sites announced it based on other rumours and it spreaded all over the web.

If anyone can prove me wrong, please do so.
[Desire General] wiggy2k:
This is quite funny, everytime i press refresh in this thread there are some new posts.

Perhaps htc just want to panictest their update servers ;)
[Desire General] rottunix:
Possible scenarios:

1 Froyo for the Desire is not ready and it is all a marketing research to see how high the demand is.

2 The person that should approve the release has the weekend off.

3 The server containing the final Froyo release crashed and there is no backup.

4 HTC does not has the internet bandwidth required and is awaiting their isp, which does not upgrade links during the weekend.

5 Froyo has been released but.our Desires don't want it???

:-)
[Desire General] ElVikin:
The email i got from htc says from this weekend Everyone that owns a desire will get froyo (2.2)

Depends a little on how i read the mail i can get two scenarious out of it. 1. Everyone will have it before the weekend is over. 2. This weekend the roolout will start. But why send it to us if only a few will get it that would be like a beta release.....then they could have said tjat insteed
[Desire General] Vectrox:
Im dutch and got an unbranded phone but I still havent got the update :P.
[Desire General] Wextercz:
Do HTC_Ru want to tell us, that we are waiting unnecessarily ?
[Desire General] pigbrother:
cgorky, I got the infomation from the official HTC PR agency in Romania.
[Desire General] iamelegy:
"We've just heard directly from HTC..."

Engadget
[Desire General] wiggy2k:
Our desires dont want froyo, haha thats funny :D and all the rooters and Manual updaters push the froyo straight into the desires mouth. Shame on you ! They just ate some eclair and arent hungry anymore.
[Desire General] I RICHY I:
I highly doubt all of those scenarios.