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[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] corybucher:
Would there be a way to organize apps in different folders for example: spare parts, titanium backup, etc.... in a folder called ROOT. So you could be able to open the app drawer and see folders instead of a bunch of clutter and in each folder would open like another app drawer. Thanks in advance
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cj2132:
FolderOrganizer in the market. Also allows for custom icons.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] corybucher:
Thanks will check it out.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] omegasun18:
another free option is app organizer. I think it is a little better then the free version of folder organizer but the paid folder organizer is by far the best.
[Vibrant General] JWhipple:
So I am reading the tips and tricks article - GREAT article by the way! - and I come upon the note stating to not use task killer (shown below in bold).

SHOULD I USE A TASK KILLER?

Absolutely not. You have the best OS and one of the best spec'd phones ever. You would be doing more harm than good. If you do have one, uninstall, reboot and let me know what you think!

In addition, even Google at Google I/O 2010 addressed app developers and asked them to no longer include "quit" or "close" as options within their apps. I think Andronica (another great android site) summed it up well with their article, found here.

XDA user iunlock created a thread with some good debate based off this sticky. You can read all the thoughts by clicking here. In short, the overwhelming majority agreed and some have commented on seeing an increase in performance after deleting their task killers. Awesome job guys.

That having been said, I went a day. Sure, it ran smooth, but my battery life stunk.

I'd like to hear from other users on the pros/cons of using a task manager on your Vibrant. Not trying to start a flame war, just wanting to hear thoughts other than my own (and the little voices that come from the ear piece of the phone :D )

Personally I am completely for it, as long as you are not killing off critical processes or apps that you use on a regular basis. Bottom line here - know what you're doing.

Feedback please?
[Vibrant General] All~G1:
I had the exact opposite reaction after getting rid of the task manager, battery life increased.
[Vibrant General] dabezt1:
I kept ATK, battery life improved with it. If i play games and then hit the Home button which i always do. it stays running in background and kills the battery. Didnt really notice much of an impact with performance but my battery life increased
[Vibrant General] joe.kerwin:
I use task manager. people can say what they want, but lowmemorykiller is designed to kill apps when the system needs memory. our phones have a lot of memory so they are capable of keeping so many apps open, if no one believes me download a task killer and just open it up to see how many apps are really running on your phone, its ridiculous, especially if you still have the bloatware. I don't necessarily use it because my phone bogs down from so many apps (that reason was back in the day with my g1) i do it because theoretically your battery life should go up. What's worse, a task killer running, or the last 20 apps you've used? All I know is my phone runs fine, smooth, and has battery life that I really cant complain about. It's hard to really tell what is correct though, I mean theres's hundreds of posts about the gps on our phone and mine launches up, finds my exact location within 30 seconds, and navigates perfectly. Got mine the day it came out, so ive really never worried about what other people have said, i just find out for myself. try both and see what you observe to be best.
[Vibrant General] techpreneur:
Task Mangers slow my phone down more. I don't use them.

Android has a task killer built in to kill apps if memory is low automatically.
[Vibrant General] acjames:
Couldnt enjoy my phone without one.
[Vibrant General] joe.kerwin:
I know, read. I referenced that in the first line. It's a low memory killer, my phone still has 100mb of memory available even with 15-20 apps open. I'd rather have those tasks not running if i've finished with them. Plus apps also reopen periodically by themselves, auto-kill on a 3rd party task killer will kill this as soon as the phone is sleeping, the build in task killer will not.
[Vibrant General] joe.kerwin:
There's no way your g1 ever lasted 14 hours, let alone consistently with that usage. Either that or you dont understand how some of us use our phones. The only reason this must be such a debated topic is because there truly isn't much of a difference. Will your phone have a weeks worth of battery life with one? No. Without one? No. Users preference I suppose, but before i deleted bloatware, my telenav and slacker radio were always open and i honestly never even opened them to even check them out.
[Vibrant General] masterotaku:
People will give all sorts of anecdotal evidence one way or another about this topic. Just keep in mind that anecdotal evidence won't answer the question. It's not a simple yes/no question either.

Here's the deal. *IF* you have errant tasks that are causing partial wake issues (running too much or too often when the phone is supposedly asleep), those applications will be the culprit for your bad battery life.

These are not likely to be core tasks of the OS, or OS bundled bloatware either...but they can be. When I had my Behold II and was running ADW.Launcher, for instance, I had to use a task manager to keep parts of Touchwiz from waking up and complaining about the UI not being front-and-center. And the reason WHY I used a task manager was a simple one. It was a core data task of the embedded software that could not be REMOVED.

The best solution to partial wake issues is to identify the tasks that are causing them, and GET RID OF THAT APP. In my very specific case above I was unable to do so, so a task killer had value.

The reason why task managers can be a very bad idea are legion. The Android OS runs a lot of interdependant tasks, and killing one seemingly innocuous task can and often will start a domino effect with other tasks that rely on them. It can even cause other dependant apps to eat 100% of cpu time during sleep cycles or at other times, and make your battery life mysteriously go to hell.

So far on this Vibrant, I've found no core tasks causing partial wake issues. Third party apps and widgets however, I've found quite a few that "wake up" and cause partial wake issues (i.e. they are spending too much time working and running when the phone is in "sleep" mode). Pure Messenger Widget being one of the nastiest I've tried lately.

What do I recommend? Use the built in battery statistics, and install the market app "Spare Parts". This combination will give you the ability to glean useful information about exactly what is running and what it's doing. There are other tools and whitelist managers that you could employ as well, but this is enough for me.

And even if you are running task managers and killers, you should be using the above to know whether what you are doing is a complete waste of time or even making matters worse.

When left to its own devices, Android 2.1 does a remarkably good job managing tasks and memory, PROVIDING THAT 3RD PARTY APPS ARE BEHAVING. Since we all run a very different set of 3rd party applications and widgets, it's no wonder that people are having battery life issues (great, bad, not so bad, etc..) all over the map.
[Vibrant General] the3dman:
I use Advanced Task Manager Pro and I love it. The close-all widget is great because it closes everything except what you have told it not to kill, and it kills itself to that is not running down your battery either.
[Vibrant General] AndroidZ28:
I don't know what to tell you other than it did.

I am a pretty heavy user, but I do have fantastic coverage and work in a bright environment so brightness stays down. SetCPU works wonders.
[Vibrant General] down8:
I tested my Vibrant today. Came off the charger at 5:30am. It's now 10pm & my phone is freaking out for juice. I think my G1 could match this.

I'm constantly pulling from Gmail & Exchange (usually on Edge - poor reception in the office). I used GPS for about 10 min on the way home. Once home I started wifi. I turned it off an hour ago to play a few rounds of Let's Golf.

That's not terrible for such a badass smart phone, I think.

-bZj

_____

-sent from my Samsung Vibrant via XDAapp
[Vibrant General] Anderdroid:
I personally will only have a task manager installed for when I'm working on my game / app projects, as to make sure they properly close when exited or to kill them if something goes wrong (neverending looping media), so I don't have to reboot the phone.
[Vibrant General] Dougefresh91:
I was using atk before my last factory reset. I've decided against it now though. I've also decided not to use any more web apps when I have a perfectly good browser. Just seems like a waste of resources to me and my phone is much quicker without them. That and launcher pro have made this feel like a different phone. I think the combination makes atk unnecessary.

If I decide to keep this phone I'll reroot and clean out all the crapware. I'd prefer to keep this phone well-maintained like my computer sip that a task killer would be mostly unnecessary.
[Vibrant General] nickerrides:
hi i just recently traded for a vibrant and when i got it it was already rooted. but it seems to have some troubles with the cpu. on set cpu it keeps fluxuating from 1000Mhz to 800Mhz to 1ooMhz and i think its causing my phone to lag a lot. anyone have any idea how to fix this or whats causing it to lag? thanks :)
[Vibrant General] junkdruggler:
The phone does that according to the load put on the cpu... If you set your defaults to 1000/1000 it won't do that anymore but will eat battery..
[Vibrant General] nickerrides:
i set both to 1000 and it still goes to 100mhz
[Vibrant General] turbosix:
Solution: stop messing with it. The clock is supposed to do that.
[Vibrant General] SiL3nTKiLL:
yeah its variable clock speed...let it keep doing what its doing...
[Vibrant General] }{Alienz}{:
You can lock it to 1000Mhz, but your battery will last aproximately 1-2 hours. Maybe 3 if you're lucky lol. I wouldn't recommend it. The phone automatically goes to 1Ghz when it needs to.
[Vibrant General] bromat80:
I am not sure how true this statement is. Have you tried this? I have had my min clock speed set to 800mhz for about a week and a half now and my phone lasts me from 7am until 12pm without charging the battery with plenty of usage.
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] rfgamaral:
Hi,

I never really thought about it (until now) and I've always enabled USB Debugging on my phone so I cloud use ADB.

Does this setting has any impact on battery life? I mean, it's for debugging purposes, it's probably doing more stuff in the background than what it normally needs to for the casual user. What if I won't be needing any of the things USB Debugging provide for a couple of months. Should I disable it? Does it help the battery life by not running some stuff which casual use doesn't need?

I'll probably won't disable it cause I keep using ADB all the time for the most various things but I'm just curious... Maybe, if it helps battery life, I cloud disable it on vacation or something.
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] mljjlm:
Not sure at all, but as it is called USB-debugging, I would think that it is only debugging when connected to a USB-cable (and then it's charging anyway)

Correct me if I'm wrong :)
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] 42turkeys:
It's used for root too, so if you turn it off then SuperUser permissions can't function.
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] rfgamaral:
Didn't know that...
[Vibrant General] Argusi:
For the life of me, I can't find where to edit the responses without actually editing it when I'm receiving a call. Does anyone know where to find the list of responses for this so I can add a few? TIA :)
[Vibrant General] beren28:
settings --> call settings -->All Calls -->> Reject Call With Message

You can add a message and edit/delete message by hitting the menu button.
[Vibrant General] bromat80:
Settings, call settings, all calls, reject call with message, create message
[Vibrant General] Argusi:
You guys rock. Thanks a lot!
[Vibrant General] AndroidZ28:
Don't use it if you use Google Voice...

It responds from your actual cell number :-(
[Vibrant General] minogue:
Sounds like something bad happened to you out of it?
[Vibrant General] AndroidZ28:
Google Voice has the option to mark numbers as spam, so when I have to use my phone to call people I don't necessarily want to be able to call me back I use it and if there is a problem google Voice eliminates it. I don't give out my t-mobile number because then people will bother me.

Fortunately the person who i rejected with a text was not bright and asked who was texting. I apologized and said "Sarah", they said they didn't know a Sarah and I said oh, sorry wrong number... Then I called them back from GV later that night.
[XPERIA X10 General] j4mm3r:
From the root thread:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=6970879&postcount=4

Whats the point in having the root for R2BA026 (or for that matter even 024)? Seems like there is no system image or the data partition image that is included in this update... so what difference does it actually make?

I mean there are some indications of timescape/mediascape improvements with this build... but they aren't really there with this "root" update... are they?

Wouldn't it be just better to also release a diff in the system and the data partitions that come with the updates?

I know that the earlier root relied on having the ota package available (which is then modified to setuid the "sh" binary), but even then... what if we simply compare the system image from the update with the base system and manually copy the modified apks, files etc to the running system with a /system partition mounted as read/wirte?

By the way I'm still curious to know who you guys managed to modify the ota package in the first place? care to tell? just asking guys... don't flame me for doing that...!
[XPERIA X10 General] jerpelea:
i must admit

most important for almost all users is an small window tint in an app or an new button or at least an greater number

you have one of the best hardware that can be found on phones (expected score 20k actual score 4k kernel and old android)

you have one of the biggest bateryes found in phones (initial bayery life <8h now is 2 days kernel and buggy radio)

but what realy matters in this updates is hiden for you

updates to radio and kernel that is most important for battery life and speed

nobody forces you to buy X10

nobody forces you to root your device

nobody forces you to update to the latest rom

nobody forces you to read our coments and instructions

but

PLEASE DO NOT ASK STUPID QUESTIONS

OR COMPLAIN ABOUT THINGS ALREADY EXPLAINED
[XPERIA X10 General] Beanyness:
j4mm3r has a point.

It's more like you're the one complaining jerpelea. You didn't even answer anything but just had a rant.
[XPERIA X10 General] ixemun:
Nah it's more like j4mmer didn't even think about it before asking, He's using build R2BA023 without even questioning the point about using that build when everything started from build 016 (or root build 020, he could've just use that instead)

The point of having build R2BA024 or R2BA026 is the same reason why he picked 023 instead of 020, better performance and battery improvement due to later kernel build, things are snappier but you don't have to take my word for it.
[XPERIA X10 General] j4mm3r:
Hey sorry that you felt that my query was a complaint, but it is not.

And, just to address the "hidden" parts of the updates... my question is really very specific to the X10a and to the updates released for root from 023 to 024 and subsequently from 024 to 026.

Here is what I flashed when I rooted to 023 along time ago:

Here is whats included in the update 023 to 024:

And here is whats included in the update 024 to 026:

I would assume that amss.sin would be the file that would contain the so called "radio and kernel" updates... but this file is essentially the same.

Oh wait... maybe its the build.prop that has these radio and kernel related enhancements? ( ;) just kidding)

Seriously man, I understand that you don't have to answer or explain anything. This is a user/community driven forum and I just wanted to point out certain things for everyone to see and comment.

In my opinion, the recent updates that you made for the root, and specifically the file below, have nothing that I can detect that could be called as an improvement or enhancement for X10a users who might have already applied the previous releases for root such as ROOT_F2v2_X10a or ROOT_F3v2
[XPERIA X10 General] j4mm3r:
Ah yea, I do have a tendency to do that some times... I fully understand that the build R2BA023 that I'm using came with a patched fota.pkg (so that it gives me the 023 related updates to the /system) and by flashing the baseband from 020 release for X10a.

This maybe the same for 024 as it does seem to include a fota.pkg. I have yet to try that. But you see my post above, my question specifically targets the 026 updates.

I have included some of my "thinking" steps for you to follow along.

EDIT: There was a typo in my question, so here it is again:

By the way I'm still curious to know how you guys managed to modify the ota package in the first place? care to tell? just asking guys... don't flame me for doing that...!
[XPERIA X10 General] ixemun:
Very understandable, we all have the tendency to do that anyway so can't really blame you for anything (so my apologies if there is any rudeness in my previous post)

I can't answer the technical question as I'm not a dev, but I can say that there are slight difference in performance between 023 and 026 (maybe it's just me but on build 024 my phone likes to reboot itself every now and then and lags at some point even tho I killed most of the unused program)

(and yes I'm only answering the topic question as that's the only question I can contribute answers to)
[XPERIA X10 General] JulianSidewind:
Hey all, I need some help. i was rooted to 24, and now i need to unroot. I have an X10a with Rogers in Ontario. I took the 14 rom from the Decrypted Roms Thread, flashed it onto the phone, and that loads fine. problem is, when i try to see if theres an update on the phone, it says its up to date, and when i try to use SEUS to update, it fails leaving me with a brick needing reflashing. anybody know how i can get back to original firmware?

Thanks.
[XPERIA X10 General] j4mm3r:
Hi, try using the PC companion. Go to Support Zone and try the software update... I noticed sometime back that the SEUS program wasn't really doing the job. With the PC companion, you should get an option to repair.
[XPERIA X10 General] JulianSidewind:
I tried that, and I had the same result. Error last minute with bricked phone. :(
[XPERIA X10 General] SXUsr:
Rooted R2BA024 and R2BA026... whats the point?

Keeping up to date. :rolleyes:
[XPERIA X10 General] MeZmeriZe_:
This brings up a question, i have rooted 26 and i used titanium backup to restore all apps. Now i am wondering if it restored older versions of moxier/timescape/mediascape. Can anyone with rooted 26 tell me what versions of those apps they have?
[XPERIA X10 General] MeZmeriZe_:
What I mean in the above is that in settings->manage applications, my Timescape lists as being version 1.

That can't be right can it?
[XPERIA X10 General] goRt:
Moxier is at 2175 for me
[XPERIA X10 General] MeZmeriZe_:
Hmnmn. That is the same as mine.

Titanium doesn't make it all that clear what its batch modes do when a newer version is already on the phone.

If timescape has not been downgraded, I will assume it is smart enought to keep the newer one.
[Windows Mobile] airxtreme:
Is there anybody who accidentally flashed the wrong splash.nb for a phone with a different resolution? What happened? I'm asking this because I'm adding BMP splashscreen support in the kitchen but I don't know whether to add resolution check or not.
[Windows Mobile] + Que PPC:
Many tutorials about splash nb files said that if your nb for splash is bigger or whatever it will cause your device to be bricked so dont play with it ;) Da_G was playing with that and someone else i cant rememebr to add that parts into the cooking process i guess its not necesary... many ppl can do it by themself.
[Windows Mobile] airxtreme:
I already do checks on the radio and splash signatures but I don't want people to accidentally pick the splash screen for the wrong device and brick the phone so I think I'll add resolution checks as well.
[Windows Mobile] + Que PPC:
cool ;) and remmemebr that some devices splash.nb's needs some kind of padding ;) like hermes device :p
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] sablesurfer:
I am trying to get myself set up to dig more into stuff...and need to put the aapt into my command path. (I think I understand that...)

BUT...I have no aapt.exe in my tools folder.

...I have SDK and Eclipse. They work well enough to get me through tutorials.

Anyone run into this and did something get messed up? Reading googles site they talk like it should just be there. I have: abd.exe, adbwinapi.dll, etc...there is no file before that.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] sablesurfer:
wrong tools folder i guess. i'll leave this here though. the aapt.exe is in the platform/android-#/tools folder (where # is the version you decide to choose..I used 8)

sigh.
[EVO 4G General] engagedtosmile:
Funny t-shirt. Thought the Android community would enjoy it.

http://www.andyversus.com/
[EVO 4G General] johnnychimpo:
Of course I can't use dolphin browser to order...fail...

Sent from my PC36100
[EVO 4G General] engagedtosmile:
It's worth a buy, bought mine already. Should be here next week.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] StormMcCloud:
I am curious, is it possible to fake your GPS location with mock locations turned off? There is an app I am running that I am trying to make think that I am in Japan however the app will not run properly if mock locations are enabled. If it isn't possible then that's cool I just figured I would ask.
[Vibrant General] moddin:
Hey guys, is there anyway to change the toggles in the taksbar, for example I would love to replace that useless silent toggle with the vibrate toggle, the same thing that the captivate has right now.

I know I can place toggles on my homescreen but I dont want that. Thx.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] You stole Boo Boo's Name:
for me it seems that the wifi tether app is very spotty and has its own issues sometimes it works and others it doesnt.

anyone know if sprint is dropping the data? worked way better before the ota 1.47
[General Questions and Answers] StormMcCloud:
I am curious, is it possible to fake your GPS location with mock locations turned off? There is an app I am running that I am trying to make think that I am in Japan however the app will not run properly if mock locations are enabled. If it isn't possible then that's cool I just figured I would ask.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Demyx11:
Hello, I bought a HTC Diamond Touch second hand. I use a TELIA Sim Card (Swedish carrier) without 3G support, I dont get any Service, if I press the "bar" logo up in the top it sais "No Service". I would love some help, why it's wrong etc? do I have to send it into repair? Please help me as I am new to Windows Mobile.

PICTURE: img710.imageshack.us/img710/4589/img0956qk.jpg

Best Regards, Timmy Costigan.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Demyx11:
Bump, rly need help here :<