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[Droid X Android Development] kregstrong:
My dx is going back next week: ( gonna stick with the inc for custom roms
[Droid X Android Development] oldmacnut:
Why why why why why?

What is everyone fascination with Sense UI?. First thing I wanted to do was remove it from my Dinc. What is the deal?. All I see Sense and Blur as are 2 bloated Gui's destroying the speed and stability of Googles Android OS.

Give me a stripped Android for my Dx and I for one would be incredibly happy. Screw that GUI crap.
[Droid X Android Development] Ezun:
I had the Dinc before my X and really liked the Sense UI, but I'm not tied to it.

This was a question to help me understand the limitations. Not only does it help me just understand things, it also helps me to answer questions for others who post them here and in other forums.
[Droid X Android Development] derekm_:
True, I've never even seen what Google Android OS 2.1 REALLY looks like, without the Incredible's Sense UI or Motos Whatever. LauncherPro is that heat.
[Droid X Android Development] Nickdroid86:
Blah blah blah, less talky, more cracky. If you have time for yapping, you have time for cracking.
[Droid X Android Development] oldmacnut:
+5

:D

Sent from My POS HP Quad Core HPE-137c that wont let me make any changes in the bios Using Firefox Beta
[Droid X Android Development] Ezun:
Hey Guys, two more questions here, sorry for the noob asking so many questions.

1) Is this a matter of finding a disgruntled Motorola employee to leak the signature to us? OR, would that only work for 1 shot?

2) If we don't get a leaked signature, are we trying to "decrypt" the portion where the signature is? what is the encryption hiding?

I know this is basic stuff for some of you, but I'm a total noob to this stuff.
[Droid X Android Development] Ingvarr:
For hardware to accept bootloader it must verify it being signed by correct 2048-bit RSA private key.

The way assymetric cryptography works, only public key (used for verification) is actually stored in hardware. Even if you know it, you can not sign firmware without knowing private key, you can only verify it.

Do you think that just anybody in Motorola has access to private key? Only a handful of people do, all these people are known and access are strictly logged and regulated. You need a industrial espionage agent to steal the key, not just some disgruntled janitor so to speak ;)

I would say chances are higher than Motorola itself will decide to divulge a key or decides to stop locking their phones (and even these obviously pretty low - I think they won't unless court will order them).

As for to cracking the private key... Well, I wouldn't call chances of cracking or even finding a collision on 2048-bit RSA feasible with current state of technology. That to put it mildly.

Some kind of vulnerability below the hardware root but above the actual kernel is the best hope it seems. Even if there is none at present ROM versions, always possibility remain that something will slip in future ones - more complexity, more chance to error.

Well, there is always the "second boot" scenario, when stock ROM is used simply as fat bootloader to boot *another*, custom ROM. It kind of complicated though, because these modern OMAP CPUs have so called High Security mode (analog of Protected Mode on x86), and all protected devices run in it by default. In HS mode you limited by CPU to things you can do, which makes tight hardware interfacing that kernel requires a lot more difficult.

Really, read and-developers wiki, it's all described here in great detail.
[Droid X Android Development] Ezun:
Thank you!
[Droid X Android Development] mrozzeh:
Actually, regression is very rare when it comes to things like the bootloader that is actively being developed and tested. Like I said earlier, you'd have a better chance of attacking the baseband.
[Droid X Android Development] Ingvarr:
Sorry, I don't exactly see how baseband attack could help - and what to attack in the first place. Baseband processor core is completely separate and isolated - only data transmitted back & forth between baseband CPU and application CPU. And how in the world a hacked baseband could influence the signature checks during boot process?
[Droid X Android Development] Kingtech677:
Hey, I was wondering something. Now I dont really have any experience with hacking phones and finding sploitz. But, is it not possible to bruteforce through the code on the stock rom to find the key and then just inject it into a custom rom? I imagine its not, so that brings me to my next question, how come?
[Droid X Android Development] mrozzeh:
Take a look at the s-off hack we'll be releasing in a few days and then ask yourself the same question.

The radio has a much larger part in enforcing security than the bootloader does.

Ah, so that means that RIL's and AT interpreters obviously cannot exist.
[Droid X Android Development] drewden123:
Excuse me for my ignorance, but does this mean you have cracked/made progress on the bootloader/custom roms?!?! Sorry if im jumping the gun...i just want my cyanogenmod!
[Droid X Android Development] mrozzeh:
Sorry, no. Its for the current generation of HTC devices. I'm waiting for my X to be shipped.
[Droid X Android Development] drewden123:
Ahh darn. Any chance of implementing that method on the X?
[Droid X Android Development] Nickdroid86:
Is there anyone actually working on the bootloader? Is there any progress at all?
[Droid X Android Development] mrozzeh:
There's really no such thing as progress on something like this; its either done or it's not.
[Droid X Android Development] Ingvarr:
Wait, are you definitely speaking about Motorola secure boot platform here? This just didn't sound quite right.
[Droid X Android Development] evilsai:
Lol I'm having fun with my Rooted Eris running xtraSense1.1 woot horray for speed.
[Droid X Android Development] drewden123:
Ha speed+eris in one sentence? That's funny... What's it like having a tiny, discontinued phone? :-) and why would you post from such a phone in the X forum?
[Droid X Android Development] c0uRtJe$t3r:
All I heard was him coming in to the room saying" hey guys, look at my tiny ****!!!!Ain't it cool???"

Fast Eris.... wtf lmao
[Droid X Android Development] karnovaran:
Can you speculate on whether a potential Droid X crack will be applicable to the upcoming Droid 2? Or is that impossible to tell at this point. I ask because it seems the dev support will be much greater on the DX than the D2.
[Droid X Android Development] drew630:
Birdman (mrweeeedbirdman on twitter) said the exploit is patched in froyo. So if the d2 is shipping with froyo i would guess the exploit will not work.
[Droid X Android Development] karnovaran:
Right, but we're talking about the bootloader here. I'm wondering if all of this effort that will be put toward cracking the bootloader or achieving 2nd boot on the Droid X will be applicable to the Droid 2. Since it's likely far fewer devs will be working on that device, any crack will likely have to come from the progress made on the DX or Milestone.
[Droid X Android Development] drewden123:
^^ lol exactly. Customize your little Eris all you want...it's just putting lipstick on a pig. I don't care what you say..no customized eris can even compare to an all-stock X...just sayin'. And then once we get custom roms on the X we'll see who is really laughing...or lagging in your case, with your cute little 528mhz processor.
[Droid X Android Development] randallman:
a 2048 bit key has 2^2048 possible combonations or 3.2317*10^616 or:

32317006071311007300714876688669951960444102669715484032130345427524655138867890893197201411522913463688717960921898019494119559150490921095088152386448283120630877367300996091750197750389652106796057638384067568276792218642619756161838094338476170470581645852036305042887575891541065808607552399123930385521914333389668342420684974786564569494856176035326322058077805659331026192708460314150258592864177116725943603718461857357598351152301645904403697613233287231227125684710820209725157101726931323469678542580656697935045997268352998638215525166389437335543602135433229604645318478604952148193555853611059596230656 combonations

This is, of course, an oversimplification of the issue - but as you can see there are a great deal of possible combonations making a brute force attack quite unreasonable.
[Droid X Android Development] ramseyja:
eris easily overclocks to 768, some to 825, still no where near the power of the ti omap's
[Droid X Android Development] spazzxb:
I am an incredible owner with trade in options, however i have an eris in a drawer that is still a very nice device. My eris ran stable at 810mhz and was rocking Froyo. I am just saying don't pick on the phone that never claimed to be anything better than the best 100 dollar phone you could get at release.
[Droid X Android Development] drewden123:
Not dissing but when someone comes in the X dev forum to brag about his eris it's kinda pathetic...
[Droid X Android Development] Nickdroid86:
And when people thread jack my op and talk about random crap instead of bootloader topic, that's annoying too. Instead of arguing you could help me crack this thing.
[Droid X Android Development] Ezun:
Back on track with this thread, check here for current efforts to Crack the bootloader on a developer phone: http://alldroid.org/Default.aspx?tabid=40&g=posts&t=646
[Droid X Android Development] Nickdroid86:
Very excited
[Droid X Android Development] Ezun:
Are you ready for it?

Tweet by AllDroid @ 7:37am EST:

"Birdman is running a custom recovery. This is 100% legit. This recovery is NOT working 100% YET. PLEASE don't harass him. More to come."
[Droid X Android Development] jodue:
the only way to get motorola not to make devices with locked bootloaders is NOT TO BUY them! i wanted a D2 but got myself a galaxy s because of this and i am very happy with it :D. screw you motorola :p
[Droid X Android Development] drewden123:
Except a custom recovery has already been flashed to the X...so you're gonna be missing out here really soon :p ... can you say bugless beast or cyanogenmod on X?
[Droid X Android Development] Mikerrrrrrrr:
Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. The custom recovery is only a proof of concept. Besides, Milestone users have custom recovery, but no custom kernels -- so no "true" custom roms. The closest thing they have to Froyo is a frankenstein froyo on an eclair kernel.
[Droid X Android Development] drewden123:
This may be true. But let's not forget the X is a whole different beast than the Milestone...as are the support and devs working on the X. I guarantee the X custom ROM progress will leapfrog the Milestone's within the next month or two. It was rooted in a week and has a custom recovery within a month. Mark my words...there WILL be custom kernels/roms on the X.
[Droid X Android Development] earthrise56:
If anyone wants to come up with a program to brute force attack it I would be willing to offer my CPU time to help their efforts.
[Droid X Android Development] cbaty08:
Same here... i7 820 today... 840 in the next couple of weeks!!!
[Droid X Android Development] Mikerrrrrrrr:
I appreciate your enthusiasm, and I'd like to share it. That said, I can only think of one dev who's working on the X, and that's birdman. Koush has one as well, but I don't think he's done anything with it.
[Droid X Android Development] drewden123:
Agreed. But look at all the work he's done. And by support i mean donations, etc. For example alldroid got enough donations to buy that X dev phone off of that one guy. And they got enough money within one day. If koush gets enough enticement he can work on porting clockworkmod to the X. I guess there is a chance it could never be cracked...but seeing the progress from just one month it's hard to be pessimistic about it.
[Droid X Android Development] jaskru:
I think birdman has made some serious progress today....

............
[Droid X Android Development] B-dub25:
yea, he has adb working in recovery now! good news, good news it just comes down to if we can reboot after the fact of flashing a custom recovery.
[Droid X Android Development] drewden123:
Wow! Seriously? I kept checking twitter and alldroid and didn't see anything...where'd you guys find out?! This makes me so excited.

EDIT: Nevermind. Just saw all the tweets. As I said...Mark my words! lol
[Droid X Android Development] grndnpnd:
has nothing to do with the carriers its the manufactures and the use of the ti omap procs as for teathering you dont even have to be rooted to teather pda net works great without root
[Droid X Android Development] scores87:
Just use my ps3 running linux =)

Quick question unlocking the bootloader will help the motorola milestone too right?????
[Droid X Android Development] Ingvarr:
This did not unlock the bootloader, so custom kernel (and therefore, fully-fledged custom ROMs) still not possible. Sounds like a variation of what Milestone had for long time since it was rooted (it was rooted via recovery exploit too, remember).
[Droid X Android Development] Bateluer:
While I'm all for cracking the bootloader on the X, a brute force attack is pretty much impossible.

http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2006/07/brute-force-key-attacks-are-for-dummies.html

Even if you could bring every computing device on the planet to bear against it, it'd still take millions of years. Baring some radical, exponential increase in computing power, its not going to happen.

As others have stated here, if you want to help but don't have the hacking/security/etc knowledge, the best thing you can do is NOT to buy the Droid X, Droid 2, or whatever Moto phone includes an encrypted boot loader. If you already have an X and still within your return window, return it and make sure they know you are returning it because of the boot loader issue.

The ONLY way Moto is going to change is if their bottom line is effected. Dismal sales combined with users returning their X's en mass is the only way Moto's going to change.
[Droid X Android Development] LexusBrian400:
The 3% of smart phone users who root their phones, and the even less .005% that will actually return it because of the locked bootloader will not effect their sales in the least bit. Wishful thinking at best :)
[Droid X Android Development] drewden123:
Exactly...this has just about as small a chance as brute forcing the key. The best way around this is to find a back door hack/exploit. There is almost always a loop hole or way to circumvent some things. Even without custom kernels...I'm happy. Custom ROMs plus the stock Froyo kernel will be great.
[Droid X Android Development] Ezun:
While we might not crack the bootloader, Birdman and Alldroid have gotten to such a low level that we're going to be able to load custom ROMs and maybe load alternate (read: Custom) kernels in the future.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aMPUcY71Yc
[Droid X Android Development] scores87:
Will birdman progress help us use custom roms on the milestone????
[Droid X Android Development] drewden123:
I would say probably...but I don't know for sure.
[General Accessories] eXDee:
I have a HTC Desire and im after a larger storage than 4gb included.

I'm a bit wary of class 2 cards in fear they will be very slow. And I'm also wary of fake cards on ebay for example.

Also does class 4 vs 6 make a large difference?

I want a 32gb if its the right price (and not class 2?) but im not sure where to buy from. The site must be able to ship to new zealand.

Thanks.
[General Accessories] D3luSi0n4L:
I know that Verizon is supposed to be selling 32GB microSD cards, not sure about the class but I don't think their class 2. There normally $150 but have been on sale for $99 at least 1 or 2 times. So even if it is a class 2, still better than the $199 price for the Sandisk 32gb one on Amazon. Either way good luck, I hope you find the card your looking for!

-D3luSi0n4L
[General Accessories] edgie168:
I bought a 32gb from http://www.jr.com.
[General Accessories] papabear:
Seen the verbatim 32gb mSD class6 at amazon for 89$/free SH, and seen the 16gb's from 25-60 depending on brand/speed
[General Accessories] leadfoot9281:
Hey just wondering,where are you getting info on the micro SD cards? All I have found so far says 2 is faster than 4. I'm not saying I'm right your wrong but I just purchased a class2 today under that assumption.
[General Accessories] sti-06:
lol. that is regular sd card not micro sd.

There is not a 32gb class 6 micro sd card on the market as of today.
[General Accessories] Sorainzo:
Yeah, class 4 is about twice as fast as class 2 cards. I would say the best price/speed ratio right now is the Kingston 16GB Class 4 MicroSD card. Best places to buy micro sd cards online would be Amazon and Newegg. There's hardly any bull**** with the products on those 2 sites.
[General Accessories] custardo01:
Amazon UK - You've now got 32 gb class 6 micro sdhc at £88.00 link class 4 at £85 link . I just ordered a class 2 for £64.49 including postage - link

Hope it helps.
[General Accessories] Macita:
Uhmm, a bit of confusion in my mind, wich class is enought for my Galaxy S? :)
[General Accessories] KCRic:
The 'class' rating on the card can basically be thought of as the tested minimum transfer speed (sustained - not random. A random write can far exceed the class rating).

class 2 (~1Mb /s)

class 4 (~2Mb /s)

class 6 (~3Mb /s)

and the highest I've seen is class 10 (~4Mb /s) which I doubt any of us are going to buy.

So far as I know, there is NO CLASS 8 - don't buy one, it's probably a fake. By the way those ratings are in mega

bytes

not mega

bits

if you need the bit speed just multiply by 8.

Now if you're ever told 2 is faster than 4 you can laugh in their face - when (dealing with technology) has a lower number ever been better???;)
[General Accessories] KCRic:
I meant to answer this earlier but any class would be more than enough for the galaxy s. The reason you want a higher transfer speed is that loading 8, 16, or 32 GB of data can take forever depending on the type and amount of data. As far as the phone is concerned, a class 2 is fast enough for a swap file, video/movie, or music.
[General Accessories] nrfitchett4:
I agree, the phone is going to max out before the card does.
[General Accessories] evil510:
Hey gang. I am new here. I just purchased a 32gb card class 2 for my Samsung Vibrant. I noticed it handles just about everything except recording hd video directly to the card. The first few seconds during playback show as rainbow colored garbled pixels then clears up to play clearly. Reduce the recording resolution of the video and it plays fine. Record hd video to phone then transfer to card and it plays fine. It is a brand new card (kingston) with next to no data on it so far. Anyone else having this issue? I am thinking I need a card with a higher class rating.....
[General Accessories] TOA Duck:
To record HD video smoothly you are gonna need at-least a class 4 and maybe a class 6. Class 2 doesnt write fast enough to keep up, thats why you had the pixelation distortion.

As far as a 32gb class 6 card, I am afraid we are out of luck until these cards come onto the market. Samsung has been working on a new card I heard.

Hoever, newegg does have class 4 cards in 32 gb for around 100 bucks.

Hope this helps.

UPDATE

there is a class 6 32 gig card I found at amazon but it is a "Komputerbay" brand so buyer beware.

"Soon to be the owner of a Samsung Focus"
[General Accessories] evil510:
Thanks TOA duck. I suspected the same thing. I have since ordered a class 6, 32gb card and am now waiting for it to arrive. I will post results once I get it in and have tested it....
[General Accessories] Master™:
You can buy a 32gb & 16gb from Verizon Wireless pretty cheap..

$99.99 - 32GB SanDisk

http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/accessory?action=accessoryDetails&archetypeId=12214

$49.99 - 16GB Duracell

http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/accessory?action=accessoryDetails&archetypeId=11944
[General Accessories] jack.overholt:
WalMart FTW!!!!!!!
[General Accessories] Ut0p1a:
Adorama

Just ordered Kingston MicroSD 32gb class 4 for under $100(shipped and no tax)

http://www.adorama.com/KGSDMC432G2A.html
[General Accessories] Pirmas:
Who knows good places to buy memory cards in EU?
[General Accessories] Cursed Chico:
Hello. On ebay 32 gb class 10 is maximum 50 dollars, 16 gb is max 27 dollars. But i dont trust if they are real or fake. You know, they make Samsung's, sandisks fake and no clue to understand if it is like that.

So, where is best to buy, cheap and safe? Amazon, ebay?

And what brand, kingston Samsung, Sandisk?
[General Accessories] Katze Pavilion:
Someone confirm that the real write speed of Sandisk MicroSD class 2 by copying a file? Mine is about 7MB/s at FAT32 format and 9MB/s at NTFS format with SE CR-80 card reader. But I've not tried if the phones can detect a memory card with NTFS format.
[General Accessories] smacko:
i've bought my last few sd cards from ebay... i always get them from US or AUS sellers. haven't had any issues
[General Accessories] Cursed Chico:
Did you test the cards and no problem?
[General Accessories] ChinaElectronicsInsider:
NewEgg and Amazon in my opinion are very reliable for authentic flash memory products.
[General Accessories] phantommadman:
I buy all my sd cards from newegg, very good seller.

newegg all the way.
[General Accessories] Cursed Chico:
How is that

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313184

for huawei ideox x5 u8800? I will use it for storage to keep some music and maybe some apps and maybe some film. Is it enought for me?
[General Accessories] anmol0611:
u can purchase it from ebay.......snapdeal......olx.....quickr.......flipkart......letsbuy.......i m sure u will find the best prices on these websites
[General Accessories] kingoftf:
I bought a few cards and other stuff from like DVD and CD and USB-Sticks from jaydisc, cdrohlinge24 a company in Switzerland, for me here in Tenerife incredible cheap (even compared to Mediamarkt and Saturn, big international shops)

And shipping rates are really adequate compared to some sellers from Ebay.
[General Accessories] surfguitar38:
You should check on amazon thats were i usually buy that kind of stuff.
[General Accessories] smacko:
bought my last few cards from US and AUS ebay sellers... no issues and cheaper then i've seen elsewhere...
[General Accessories] Cursed Chico:
Dont you suspect why so cheap?
[General Accessories] Laura Dunn:
I would definitely say that you will have the best experience buying from newegg or amazon due to their great price, fast shipping, and trustworthiness.

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[General Accessories] valedroide:
Thanks for the links!!! :D
[General Accessories] Cursed Chico:
I cant see any links?
[General Accessories] papabear:
newegg.com has 32gb sandisk mSD for 30$ + free ship
[General Accessories] dk0108:
thinking of buying a sandisk 16GB class 4 microSD card.. does the read/write speed vary significantly in class 6 or is class 4 good enough??
[General Accessories] ivan.schneider:
I bought on Ebay! 16gb class 4
[General Accessories] Venom0642:
I got mines at Walmart sd cards are pretty cheap there.
[General Accessories] elixir_arjay:
class 4 is slowing my unit, i need to replace it with higher speed card like class 6 or 10
[General Accessories] luckymouse17:
maybe you can find it at computer store, since its price cheaper than phone store

and you can consider to buy class 10 sdcard for great performance at gaming and storage, also a2sd :D
[General Accessories] badboys8908:
I recently bought my 16Gb Micro SDHC Extreme Class10 from here:

http://www.aliexpress.com/fm-store/...16-GB-MicroSD-HC-Plus-Extreme-Class-10-Memory

So far so good with no issues....good luck:)
[General Accessories] Kexan:
And unless there is 32G Class 2? At me 32G Class 10. The price is $73
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BHy4ok:
My trackball became dark (or yellow), than it can be cleaned?

I tried to clean its spirit, but is useless

I think that it is a actual topic for our's devices