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[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] martino2k6:
The SoC does support it. It has been said many times. If you don't believe it then you can look at the Hummingbird SoC specification. What the SGS does (quite likely) not have is the wiring between the SoC and the USB port, and definitely not kernel support for it.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] tanu_invincible:
Aww..:(..So wiring is missing :( So I guess its not possible to get HDMI out right?
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] brunes:
The fact of the matter is that no kernel dev has yet bothered to check off the MHL driver checkbox when they build their kernel, so we have no idea if the SOC has the wiring or not.

Until we get either a working SGS kernel with an MHL driver, or someone actually takes their phone totally apart and verifies the SoC tracings don't exist, everything is speculation.

This thread belongs in the development forum so that someone knows to try to build the MHL driver, once there is a driver then someone can try it out with the plethora of MHL cables on the market now.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] tanu_invincible:
Galaxy S has the largest nos. of devs working..why there is no attention to this great feature?..This will be awwesome..!!

Devs plz notice this..We need this..please
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] tonymy01:
Devs, please spend all your time to make my sgs1 brew coffee, it is the nearly the most dev platform in the world,I neeeeeeeeed this pleeeeeeeese.

On a serious note, it would be nice certainly to have hdmi, but the sgs2 is such a better phone in a number of ways, if you are desperate, consider the upgrade.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Stevethegreat:
I don't think that that is particularly true...

Having used both models I have to say that I was quite impressed at how quickly Samsung learned from her mistakes and made the SII to be a fully functional (and rather incredible) phone. Yet custom roms has/had mostly bridged the gap between the two phones already.

Personally I prefer that my SGS is slightly smaller, while it's almost equally as fast (considering overclocks). I find the upgrade (under present circumstances) frivolous at best, only reserved for those who like gadgets too much (not me).

I would love if I could get most of the SII features on my SGS because A) my phone is capable of them, B) I only upgrade when the differences are way too great to be ignored and generally c) I want to hold on to *one* device for as much as possible w/t being kept behind (significantly) in the technological race.

Having said that, I'm not a dev and I respect ENTIRELY the progress that is happening in boards such as like these and for that reason I'm OK with whether further features are to be added on my phone or if they're NOT (after all I do not pay about them)...
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] testato:
Galaxyan kernel coder have activated HDMI in his kernel

is there a people with cable want test it ?
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] martino2k6:
Doesn't matter as the SGS is missing the wiring between the chip and the port.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Stevethegreat:
According to a reviewer this cable here: http://www.amazon.com/Adapter-Tablet-Sensation-Samsung-Infuse/dp/B005NTHXYY/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

does work with Epic4G and Nexus S which are basically the same phone as i9000... Has anyone tried it?

If not I can volunteer to give him the 10 bucks to buy that cable (since I'm outside US) and try it with his device. Any volunteers?
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] perttu.tuovinen:
Actually, he mentions Epic 4G Touch (see the heading of his review), which is a Galaxy S II variant. I'm not sure if there is a slight difference between Nexus S's and SGS's wiring, so can't say if it works with SGS.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] hasanalikhattak:
i had bought one like these but it is not working
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] brunes:
As has been mentioned several times - these are not going to do anything as long as the MHL driver is not compiled into the kernel. That is why I wish this thread was moved to the developer forum.

I am personally looking into how to build CM9 form source for another reason, if I can ever get through the quagmire of lack of documentation / HOWTOs on how to do this, then I will try this as well.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] alexx910:
Guys, I was on a small research and then I saw the Samsung Infuse (giant galaxy S brother with 4.5inch display and the possibility to connect itself to a tv trough mhl)

Well, actually it uses almost the same hardware as our beloved galaxy s (hummingbird, but with 1.2ghz clock), so I tought that some devs could take the infuse firmware or maybe the source code and search for something useable :)

EDIT:

And forgot to say, that some months before the S2 got released and came out, there was something from samsungs side, that the galaxy s series would support hdmi trough a software update, but then the let it be, because galaxy s2 came out and the wanted to make as much money as possible.

BTW galaxy s was the first phone, that was certified with WiFi Direct and Samsung didnt implent this feature, so devs had to do -.-
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] brunes:
Until someone can get this moved into the developer forum, no one is going to do anything, unfortunately - because it is not on anyone's radar.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] oriolj:
Sorry guys, I've read all the post but do we have clear if all the hardware is ready? (Including the internal "wires")
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] brunes:
The easiest way to tell is for someone to port the kernel module and try it.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Nate_Lines:
Any news now? Maybe some new kernel, able to enable it?

I can donate too, for such a thing. Come on developers!
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] jackas20:
plzdo something

i think this will not work any more ....because if it dos then it was done way before
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Stevethegreat:
Anyone tried this?

It says it works with i9000 (even though I doubt it)...
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Stevethegreat:
Apparently the latest cm nightles have added support for HDMI (added to exynos 3 devices)? Does anyone with mhl cable have tried it?

(sorry for my double post, but my last post is 2 months old)
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Pika007:
I forgot to note it will also require software support that i don't know if already exists.

There's a good chance we'll get the software feature added soon, and that's why they didn't advertise it yet.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Superroach:
I'm very eager to know how this works..... If it's a hdmi digitizer, isn't the sgs going to have a heavy performance penalty? Unless I am missing that the gpu can easily handle sending out a mirror at the right resolution...

On top of that, I'd like to know what it outputs... 720p 60hz would be fantastic. I'll happily be a guinea pig and buy one of these from somewhere if needed too.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] NZtechfreak:
I'll also happily get one, if anyone can point me in the right direction (haven't been able to find yet myself).
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Superroach:
No luck finding any neither, they look all sold out.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] scrizz:
can't wait until they're available.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Roy Ngan:
That's the setting for 3.5mm jack -> VGA cable, not sure if microUSB -> HDMI using the same setting.

For 3.5mm jack video, you can find my thread General section.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Rawat:
I've got some bad news :(

http://twitter.com/Samsungservice/status/20215650228
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Piny12:
The first rumors told that the Vibrant and Captivate (e.g. the american versions of the Galaxy S) were to be the only phones with the HDMI capability.

Does that mean the european version (i9000) will get the USB cable?

Another Tweet:
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] scrizz:
we'll see

I don't believe any of this.

We'll just have to test it
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Superroach:
Why arn't they in stock yet?
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] oswade:
They removed all reference to HDMI in the vibrant/captivate faqs which were the original source!!!

Seems kinda fishy though that it was there in the first place... Maybe they're trying to fool us :mad:... Maybe they're waiting to support the feature with official froyo or something? I sure hope so :mad:
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] sareen:
you'll be able to buy it at http://www.clove.co.uk/viewProduct....category=513E19A1-EA21-475E-A79A-2C796C2E9237 for around £40....that expensive dont you think?
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Rawat:
Seems like it's a definite no go.

http://twitter.com/Samsungservice/status/20381192996
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] newsgroupmonkey:
If it's a no-go, what does the setting do?

i.e. Settings

-> Sound and Display

-> Tv out
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Rawat:
That's for composite video out via the 3.5mm jack
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Superroach:
Not good.... That twitter points to it being all types of this phone not being able to do it... Bugger.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] hiperjp:
The S5PC110 CPU of our Galaxy S is capable to do that!, It has a HDMI interface.

Quoting from the S5PC110 User's Manual, page 14:

Check the CPU block diagram:

Also it has USB Host 2.0, very interesting!.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Superroach:
I guess the problem is though - can it actually output that over a usb connection... maybe it needs a true hdmi connection to be able to output that signal. Still, AWESOME if true.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] hiperjp:
You are right!, sadly.

The HDMI interface has it's own connections, I'm not sure if it's possible to trasmit vía USB port.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] scrizz:
LOL@ all the people speculating
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Pika007:
Well, HDMI via USB is something unheared of, to this point, so people are trying to figure out how the hell it's possible.

I don't know in which way your comment is contributing to this discussion (hint- it's not.)
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Superroach:
also note that there are some things in that diagram that we don't have - 12mp camera for example, and a tft lcd controller... so its fair to guess samsung have changed some parts to it.

The theory I have of the usb - hdmi is that it's similar to the usb - vga adaptors... which also needed a digitizor inside them. These needed each frame to be encoded and did use the usb bus, which slowed fps greatly.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] FITRS:
There is no way a direct USB to HDMI will work. It will require processing of some sort. Whether it can do it because that expensive cable has the chip remains to be seen.

It's a shame no one has been able to get their hands on it to test. I'd say if anyone could, it Android websites/blogsites will be requesting directly from Samsung to review.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Pika007:
Samsung didn't change any parts, the S5PC110 is the same, it has all the controllers described there.

The other parts are a different story.

The fact that the S5PC110 supports a 12MP camera doesn't mean you have to put one.

The fact that HDMI is supported doesn't mean you have to even use that controller

etc.

And since a micro-usb to HDMI cable exists, i guess it works, with devices that support it.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] brunes:
I don't see why it is hard to understand that this is just a connector. It is not like the HDMI is actually using the USB chip or USB protocol. Basically the controller knows when it is connected to an HDMI device vs. a USB device based on the voltage in the pins, and switches modes. It is the exact same way the TV Out on the headphone jack works, or the TV out via USB available on most digital cameras.

There is no doubt that this works, I am just waiting for a cheap cable. Not paying $50 for a cable I will use once or twice a year.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Pika007:
It's as different as it can be from 3.5 composite TV out or compositve TV out via camera usb.

Those are analog connections. The 3.5mm jack has 3 contact points in it:

Video, Audio left, Audio right.

Earphones use Audio left/right, the TV out cable uses them all.

Now to the matter of hdmi via usb-

micro usb connectors have either 4 or 6 pins, depends if the device supports USB host.

HDMI requires, at the very least, 19 pins.

That's why we are all baffeled to see such a thing.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] scrizz:
same usb>HDMI cable here for $3.60(not in Stock)

http://www.myluxphone.com/samsung-ecc1hu0bbebstd-tv-out-cable-micro-usb-to-hdmi.html

something is going on here, and I want to get my hands on the cable
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] tr_karizma_54:
ı have ca75u;)
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Beards:
Clove are listing the cable AND stating it's for the Samsung Galaxy S.

It's not yet available but you can leave your email address and as soon as they get news of stock coming in they will mail you back.

You can find a link for it here
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Superroach:
Thanks for the clove link!

I'll happily get it from anywhere as long as it's actually in stock..

RE: about it being feasible before... it does not have the pin count to do a direct hdmi output, we know that. However, it can still possibly output a digital signal, which the hdmi cable can passthrough and do minor converting. The important part is that the conversion won't be as drastic as a usb - vga connection, which lowers the part cost a lot (hdfury starts at $100 as a rough example), and hopefully the sgs can do it from its gpu without slowing video to an unreasonable level. I think the main draw for this cable for me at least, is being able to output 720p video.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Superroach:
A bit of a bump - been very quiet for info here. On top of that, still havn't found any place that has it in stock neither. Maybe everyone is more interested in trying out firmwares for the sgs at the moment.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Piny12:
Yesterday I was checking my local media store for some protective case for the SGS. I didnt found anything that fitted, so I took a look at the cables.

There were a few official Samsung cables and one of them was this:

I nearly freaked out because I couldnt see the small connector, it was behind the plastic packaging.

As I realized that it's just a mini-HDMI to HDMI cable, I left the store :(
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] NZtechfreak:
No new info to hand superroach, hence why its quiet. I still look at Clove occasionally, figure I'll just wait until they have stock...
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] yabbas:
Silicon Image have promoted and produced a 5-pin HDMI connection a few years back specifically for mobile devices. It wouldn't be incomprehensible to assume that this sort-of tech is embedded into the Hummingbird. Quite conveniently, the MicroUSB-B connector does have 5 pins ;)

google: silicon-image-vastlane-mobile-5-pin-hdmi-standard

ir.siliconimage.com/ReleaseDetail.cfm?releaseid=284891

w w w .siliconimage.com/docs/Sii9290_pb_FINAL.pdf

[looks like I can't post links :(]

So the cable [if it exists] isn't simply a rewiring of the USB output, but will probably have a bridge chip of sorts. At best, given the licensing costs of HDMI and bulk IC purchase, it shouldn't be worth more than a fiver I reckon. The extra £30 is probably Samsung brand whoring ;)
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Superroach:
Yeah, I guess we figured it must be part of the gpu's function to be able to do it - the image from the samsung site shows a cable that's not quite as thin as a hdmi-hdmi style one, but nowhere near a usb-vga which has a bulky conversion chip inside it neither. It did have that nice passthrough for microusb charging (assumably) though, which is a nice feature.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Gutje:
Someone is selling it on ebay :)

item.ebay.com/290463556897

(2 sold allready...wonder if an XDA visittor bougth one).
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] brunes:
Interesting... but I am still going to wait until I can get one for < $5 somewhere.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] NZtechfreak:
$25US for regular mail postage? No thanks, I'd like to try the cable, but not badly enough to get scalped on shipping.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] praun:
Yes! i was thinking the same thing...
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] us1111:
This one is way cheaper:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Universal-Cell-...549436813?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0#ht_656wt_1137
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Gutje:
But will it work?

The seller is very new on Ebay and only one has been sold...
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] us1111:
That's.... the question.. I have no idea, I'm just the messenger ;)
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Superroach:
darn ebay is annoying - I can't ask a question because the captcha doesn't work, and the cheap cable doesn't ship to australia.

By the way, it's extremely unlikely you'll see these cables for under $10 - why would you, when normal hdmi cables are very often more anyway.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] sztupy:
Micro USB has 5 pins, HDMI has 19 pins, and has a higher bandwidth than a multiplexed micro usb can handle. I'm more than sceptical about this hardware.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] brunes:
Why are people "skeptical" when it is on Samsung's official site? You think they are just making stuff up?
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] sztupy:
But it's still impossible to get that bandwidth (hdmi use a few gbit/s, while a micro usb is 300mbit/s tops) out of that micro usb port (according to the pics the HDMI connector seems to have the multiplexing chip). So either you only get a partial HDMI implementation, (that might actually be useless), or the usb port the galaxy s has is actually really more than a simple usb port.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Piny12:
It may be that HDMI has 19 pins, but how many pins do you really need for say... 720p video output?

Maybe only one data line is really needed. That would be 3 pins. Plus two other pins that are necessary for the connection. Im not really into that... But thats what I got from my understanding.

* Pin1: TMDS Data2+

* Pin2: TMDS Data2 Shield

* Pin3: TMDS Data2-

* Pin4: TMDS Data1+

* Pin5: TMDS Data1 Shield

* Pin6: TMDS Data1-

* Pin7: TMDS Data0+

* Pin8: TMDS Data0 Shield

* Pin9: TMDS Data0-

* Pin10: TMDS Clock+

* Pin11: TMDS Clock Shield

* Pin12: TMDS Clock-

* Pin13: CEC

* Pin14: Reserved

* Pin15: SCL

* Pin16: SDA

* Pin17: DDC/CEC Mass

* Pin18: +5 Volt

* Pin19: Hot plug Detact
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Rawat:
Because it's not listed as compatible with Galaxy S? I've also been informed on twitter that it isn't supported.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] brunes:
It's not listed as compatible with *anything*, so I don't think that means much. The cable is there on the site, for some reason.

We were also informed via twitter of various other things that never materialized.

Company official twitter feeds are just PR people who typically have incomplete and often faulty information. I follow a lot of company twitters and I take them with a grain of salt, as anyone should I have been burned too many times to trust them blindly.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] HappyBallz:
That only applies for UNCOMPRESSED non-encoded/raw videos.

Who in their right mind watches uncompressed HD videos? :p

Just think of it...if our phone can play AND record 720 videos then how can it not possibly be enough for USB2.0s 60MB/s (real world 45-57MB/s) bandwidth to handle this. With your statement our videos record by magic to internal SD cards that have tiny writing speeds. 720p TV channels use anywhere from 2-15Mbps, they are compressed hence the smaller bitrate needed.

Think about it, you would be lucky to have a computer that can play one of those files uncompressed.:rolleyes:

Regardless of all this: Thanks us1111 ! I just ordered it, when it arrives I will let you all know the verdict so there is no speculation!
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] sztupy:
HDMI has a high bandwidth, because it actually transfers uncompressed video, so the display end (which might be a simple cheap TFT monitor with DVI input) doesn't need to have a (usually expensive) decoder to handle the video stream. Of course this connector might have an mp4 decoder (or something similar) built in inside the HDMI connector, but that would make (imho) the cable much-much more expensive.

If the end would be HDV, Firewire or something else that actually transfers compressed video I wouldn't be so sceptical, but the main point of HDMI is that it transfers the video stream uncompressed. (the audio stream can be compressed according to a late HDMI standard, but that's only part of the bandwidth)

Alternatively this cable might work with this samsung phone and a samsung television, but that would mean a proprietary, hdmi like connector, not real hdmi.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Rawat:
The site says it's compatible wiht Mondi SWD-m100, and that's what I was told on Twitter.

http://twitter.com/Samsungservice/status/20215650228

http://twitter.com/Samsungservice/status/20381192996

Seems like she actually found out regarding the product.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] HappyBallz:
Ok so how can HTC Evo play those files then? They are sure in hell not uncompressed as that would take huge amount of storage(over 40GB of 120minute file at 3Gbps bitrate), plus there is no hardware on the phone that is available to mere mortals that can play uncompressed files on the fly(read/write), as speeds of the storage device is waaay under it.

Plus, Blue Ray disks at 12x "only" transfer at ~480Mbit/s.

So are you saying our phones are not capable of playing encoded videos while the phone records in 720p(compressed obviously)?

I know the maximum theoretical capacity is big, and at times it does get used in post processing at movie studios and sometimes at movie theaters, but for general consumer it is no use today, not to say that we will not need it tomorrow.

Educate me if you can.:confused::confused:
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] HappyBallz:
Interesting, so what makes this device(older one at that) be able to have this option?:confused: Hmmm

I would be happy even with 480i on this cable, I just don't care for component cables that much. ;)

Man if only I could remember where I seen a page on how Android OS actually had support for video-playback via usb cable... wish I could find it.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Superroach:
RE: talking about android with usb output.

Was it this one? http://androidforums.com/htc-evo-4g/87915-usb-video-out.html
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Piny12:
My old Canon Ixus 85 IS cam only has an USB Port. But with a cable thats shipped with it, it can output video and audio signals via composite.

Like this:

So normal video output over USB isnt a big thing. Now only thing is, how do they put out bigger resolutions than PAL/NTSC?
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] fabianoecjr@gmail.com:
possible damage to the phone

I have ordered one of those bizarre "micro-usd to hdmi" cables.

It is supposed to arrive any time now.

But after reading the whole thread I believe that it is probably a mini-HDMI to HDMI cable with the wrong name. Either a mistake or a scam.

My question is:

If the cable, by some strange coincidence really is a micro-usb do HDMI adapter, is it dangerous to plug it in ?

I mean, if it is not really supported or if it is short-circuited, will it burn my phone ?:confused:
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] dan 6a:
The big downside would be the batt, I mean using the micro usb slot would disallow charging at the same time..
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Piny12:
Just look at the pics. The HDMI connector has a Micro USB Jack. We believe its supposed to be for charging ;)
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] yabbas:
That may explain it :)

1) It could be that Samsung's website got it wrong and the twitter feed is correct - the Mondi comes with a HDMI 1.4 connector which looks similar to a MicroUSB connector but (more importantly) isn't as it has the full 19pin HDMI complement!

w w w .eclecticelectronics.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/hdmi-type-d-figure1.jpg

w w w .eclecticelectronics.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/hdmi-type-d-figure2.jpg

2) Twitter is wrong, the Galaxy has technology similar to the one I posted whereupon the HDMI cable itself houses a simple 5pin USB -> 19pin HDMI bridge.

I'm sure we'll find out soon enough :)
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] fabianoecjr@gmail.com:
The cable arrived.

It was in fact a midi HDMI to HDMI adapter.

Sad...