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[Droid Incredible General] jdmba:
My plan

My plan at this point is to wait for the OTA and then for unrEVOked to see if they can root it. If they can, I will RUU back to a stock rom, and apply the official update. This will guarantee [1] VZW to handle if I brick, and [2] that I am running the real radio and the real 2.2 (instead of the buggy beta which is making the rounds).

If they can't then the decision gets harder. I suspect that my desire for the 2.2 will outweigh my need to still be rooted.

What I know i WONT do is jump through these hoops just to install a beta radio/OS combo. If the radio wasn't at issue, it would be a different story.
[Droid Incredible General] k_flan:
np OP. You won't want to install the VZW update, it will likely not work with unrevoked's reflash tool.

I also have to correct what I said earlier, it doesn't appear it is the final build that was rooted for the Evo, but the radio was pulled from the final build and used with a rom.... Either way, it seems they've got the official radio (at least, that's how it looks for now), hopefully that happens for us, and official radio img.
[Droid Incredible General] ues2005:
Fair enough. still getting up to speed on terminology.... i assume reflash means un-root - is there any way to reset the phone to be able to get the VZ update/froyo?
[Captivate General] Qmotion:
Does the Captivate clear it's cache when it reboots or is there a way of manually clearing it. Would keeping the cache clear benefit by keeping top performance? My other question is, does the Captivate really perform better using a Class 6 SD card as oposed to a Class 2 card. Does the operating sysytem really utilize the speed or is it really a program dependent issue?

Is it fair to say we might benefit more performance wise by keeping the cache cleared?
[HD2 General] iK11:
have anyone tried this?
[HD2 General] ASCIIker:
have you tried searching (as per forum RULES)?
[HD2 General] dazza9075:
Obviously they didnt, and its their first post, perhaps we could be a bit nicer? you know, not scare everyone new away. This whole website has become very draconian in the last few years perhaps its users could at least try and maintain some politeness and common sense :)
[HD2 General] zarathustrax:
I don't know... if we are too nice to everyone, every noobie will post whatever they want without a second thought or searching... at least if they are worried about being flamed they may do a better job searching before posting. This forum seems to be attracting more and more noobies every day who post ridiculous things without searching first. This forum is suppose to be for developers and advanced users... at least that was what I though when I first joined and that's what attracted me to this site. I didn't post anything for years after joining because I didn't feel I had anything important to offer, and any information I needed I was able to find by searching and reading. I read these forums everyday. It seems, though, since I got a HD2 and started browsing the HD2 forums, there has seemed to be a flood of noobies and a lower quality of posts on average.

Sorry for the rant... it's just been getting irritating with all the noobie who just joined posting countless threads asking the same questions over and over because they can't spend 5 minutes to search and read.
[HD2 General] dazza9075:
i understand where your coming from but look at it this way, there will always be people posting comments like this, its human nature, no one reads "signs" you could have it blinking in red neon at the top of the page and still one one would see it, the polite way to deal with it rather than slag people off for asking a question that they have already asked is to answer it then tell them to search, wiki etc next time, if the user has had several posts then there is no excuse, but first time posters or even very new posters shouldnt have their heads bitten off because regardless of "rules" they do not know any better.

Think of them as children, most kids learn through doing, telling them its hot doesnt always work!

and regards to your point about every noob posting, well yes they will, you wont stop it unless like yourself they have some common sence, most do not, for many on here english is not their first language, all im saying is

they ask a stupid question, its their first question/post, politely either tell them the answer or point them too it then explain how to do it next time.

They have already created the thread, you will post a reply anyway, you may as well make it a useful reply
[HD2 General] dazza9075:
ironically none of us has answered him! lol

ok, go to the forum lists and look near the top you will see WP7 development, the HD2 is the most likely piece of current hardware to support the software so its mostly related to HD2

and search next time, as you can see it gets peoples backs up!
[HD2 General] otacon:
I have been using WinMo since O2 Mini days. That is at least 8 years ago (if my memory serves me right). However, I still consider myself a newbie as there are so many new things each day.

And yes, I do search the forums before posting questions. But sometimes, even searches generate so much results that filtering them one by one would take a long time.

So please, have mercy on newbies like us and give us the chance to learn, and maybe we can contribute better later.
[HD2 General] lonelykatana:
I searched all formums before I posted.

I even searched this forum before I posted when I was only 14!

So why cant other people do the same.
[HD2 General] sausagedog:
i think a newbie section should done or a block on until u have looked at post info for newcomers then give people a quick guide of where to look etc
[HD2 General] jamesIam:
Well I too haven't posted because I haven't had anything to add, but I think that when you bear in mind the increasing popularity of smartphones as well as this site you are bound to come across more questions from the inexperienced.

Just remember that the search methods and site structure may not be apparent to everyone at first, as such feel free to chided them for their inexperience but at least help point them in the right direction. After all the times I have been helped by someone else asking a simple question.

There are no stupid questions, only stupid people.
[HD2 General] Gibbage:
No, WM7 will NEVER work in an HD2. Here is why. Each WM7 capable phone has a unique hardware ID number spacific too WM7 phones. This is for XBL Live intergration, as its a way to lock out cheaters phones from XBL and keeping the playing field even. No ID, no WM7, and only WM7 spacific phones have this ID system.
[HD2 General] dazza9075:
Your making one huge assumption, and that is that they can not find away to get around the block of running native code and having direct access to the APIs

i see what your saying about the online cloud intigration with live and yes that may prove to be an issue but only if your using the live software, i believe the idea would be to get the OS running with the hardware (which is a huge take in its self perhaps impossible) then Native code to allow execution ofwhatever we want, then the modding can start bypassing live intigration, remember android has heavy ties with google which has been largely stiripped out.

all im saying is dont knock it just yet, the xbox and xbox360 has been "tweeked" to work, fair enough zune HD wasnt but that had little intrest. getting drivers will be the biggest issue
[HD2 General] dazza9075:
you speak english i assume, many many people on here do not speak it as their first language, that makes it tricky to search for things, try searching for something in google thats french, you should have had basic french at school but i bet you'll not find things so easy then

Just because you know something and find it easy doesnt mean others do too, the world does not revolve around English and your abilities.

All im saying is we shouldnt shout at new people, its rude, you are replying anyway so why not make it constructive by either giving the answer or showing them where to find it, THEN politely slap their wrists and correct them on the error of their ways
[HD2 General] Lowndes:
What Wiki says....

Wiki says, " Windows Phone 7 was thought to have been unofficially ported to the HD2, but it was later demonstrated as easy to fake with the use of a Remote Terminal connection. [9]"

What the heck?? "If it walks like a duck......"

Search for Wiki HD2. Interesting.
[HD2 General] Lowndes:
Junior Member???

What is this Junior Member stuff anyway. Twenty four hours ago I **** evn spel noob.

Please list me as "Second Assistant to a Junior Apprentice to a Junior Noob".

Thank You.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] calberkeleyrules:
I need help trying to get my tilt working with mmode data plan. Anyone with it currently working, please help! Thanks!
[EVO 4G General] pixelpop:
In the last few days, my battery has been eaten alive. And when I checked the culprit, the phone says it's Maps (Google Maps). This behavior just started a few days ago. I have GPS turned off and as far as I can tell, Maps is inactive. Has anyone else experienced this and is there a fix?
[EVO 4G General] gapoochi:
oooh...i have this problem too. it started a few days ago and google maps is showing usage as high as 85% and my battery is getting eaten up so fast. it never did that before...i wonder if it's from the update (I'm pretty sure i loaded an update just before it started but i can't remember)

anyone know how to fix this? I LOVE google maps and can't stop using it but i don't like my diminished battery, especially after finally getting great life out of it!
[EVO 4G General] pixelpop:
Spot on--I also did an update, but can't recall exactly when. If you go to the Manage Applications option and select Maps, there is an option for uninstalling the update. I did that and I'm going to see what effect that has.
[EVO 4G General] pixelpop:
By the way, another way this problem manifests itself is that it takes about twice as long to charge the phone as it did just a few days ago. So whatever is eating the battery (I still think its Maps) continues to draw lots of power when the phone is trying to charge.
[EVO 4G General] jerryparid:
I can confirm that Google Map = battery killer.
[EVO 4G General] sturmen:
Same battery eating symptoms, I also uninstalled updates and am gonna see what the effects are.

Sent from my HTC Evo 4G using the XDA App
[EVO 4G General] pixelpop:
This issue is getting a lot of user group exposure--wonder why no one here has commented on it? Rather than post a bunch of links, just Google "google maps android battery" and read up on it. Bottom line: apparently a reboot fixes the issue until you use Maps again. Then you have to reboot again. Sure hope Google is on top of this one!
[EVO 4G General] baiatul:
I uninstalled the upgrade. What it does after the upgrade, is that if you kill it, it comes back in less than a second. It's there again. And it will never go away. At least with this app we have the option of uninstalling the upgrade. It's taking a lot of resources, and I seldom use it.... not worth it
[EVO 4G General] nhutpham:
Dunno if this is related, but when Yelp had an update a little while ago it was eating my battery up similarly, under battery use "Maps" would be in the 70-90% range of use.

They fixed this in a update a few days later, I'm sure this could also be taken care of.

By the way, I have done the froyo update and did a download of the latest maps and haven't noticed anything unusual in the battery use relating to maps, and I used the map app to find a few things.
[EVO 4G General] phobos512:
Google Maps just received a significant update a few days ago with integration of Google Places directory...Looking in System Panel I see that there's a com.google.android.apps.maps: MapsBackgroundService...Dunno if that's been there I only just got System Panel 2 days ago.
[EVO 4G General] DarkPhoenix:
I just uninstalled the maps update and noticed that the size of the program decreased from 8mb to about 2.5mb. I have also noticed a huge difference in my battery life as well since installing the update. Hopefully uninstalling it helps.
[EVO 4G General] jerryparid:
If you check Maps 4.4.0 reviews on Market, some others users have reported this problem.

Way to go Google Maps Android team!
[EVO 4G General] Sokesleezy:
Thought I was the only one having this problem. I actually just checked and its is up to 93%. They need to have it so you can quit it like you can navigation.
[EVO 4G General] phobos512:
Settings >> Applications >> Manage Applications >> Running tab >> Maps >> Force Quit
[EVO 4G General] svinyard:
Having same issue, I guess this was occurring months ago too. It didn't do this originally, now it just runs and runs. If you do a reboot it stops it completely...but that sucks. Hopefully we'll see an update SOON. I feel bad for people that don't really know about this or are very technical. They just say, oh my EVO sucks on battery life.
[EVO 4G General] pixelpop:
I had unistalled the update and reboot the phone and the battery life seems to be back to where it was (not great, but manageable). I just turned my phone on and had a notice that an update is available for Googler Maps. Does anyone know if this update was the one that was killing my battery or maybe, perhaps, I hope this update fixes the battery problem?
[EVO 4G General] Doofenshmirtz:
Nope, checked the market. Last update was 5 days ago.
[EVO 4G General] dodgeboy:
This was happening to me occasionally, before the update. It happened almost every time I used google navigation (still shows up as "maps" in the battery screen). I found that I have to go to menu, exit on navigation to close it. Clicking the "back" button on the phone doesn't seem to properly exit it.

I haven't noticed it happening any more often since the update.

Dave
[EVO 4G General] CHRISWARWICK:
Google maps eating battery power solved!?

Have 7" Samsung tab and Galaxy S phone, both on Gingerbread and both with google maps 5.9.0. Tab's power usage was 2%. phone 20%!

Uninstalled google maps updates on the phone and power usage was so small it did not register on usage menu. Reinstalled updates and - hey presto - power usage just 2%, the same as the tab. Reckon its update piled on update that caused corruption and the massive increase in battery usage.

Try it. It only takes a few minutes!
[Desire General] dayosaysyosh:
I've used a few task killers/managers but none of them seem to work properly on froyo. Has anyone got any suggestions to a working one?
[Desire General] Afro Az:
The general consensus is that Task Killers do more harm than good on the Android Platform. The OS takes care of programs in it's own special way so a Task Killer isn't necessary and can actually hurt battery life.
[Vibrant General] muzicman0:
Does anyone know where these apps are stored on the phone? They don't seem to be in /system/app, and I want to get rid of them if possible...

mm0
[Vibrant General] skater4690:
they are but they are under i different name just go through and click on them as if you were to install them and it should show up with the icon pic and just remember what the other pic look likes in your app drawer. sorry i dont remember the exact ones look for selfhelp.apk or help.apk something around there is the my account i really dont remember lol
[Vibrant General] mrxela:
I think those are AccountAndSync.apk & odex and vvm-signed.apk
[Vibrant General] muzicman0:
MyAccountStub_4-5-10.apk and vvm-signed.apk

Not sure how I missed those, but thanks for the info!

mm0
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rilasis:
Does anyone know of a good remote to use for itunes? Preferably free. I found one called Tunes Remote, but it can't find my itunes library for some reason. Mobile sharing service is enabled for itunes and both are connected to the same wifi network. It recommends forwarding port 3639, which I did, but still no dice. Anyone have a better suggestion?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] drmacinyasha:
Tunes Remote works for me. Check your network, ie, make sure your laptop's firewall isn't killing Bonjour (Apple's mDNS service).
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] twigums:
I'm making this thread so any developers or anyone with proven known personally witnessed information can be given. Instead of making 30 threads id like for this to be a thread any of the devs here can come into and comment what they know about 2.2 and what they are doing. PLEASE DO NOT POST UNLESS YOU ARE A DEV OR HAVE RELEVANT INFO.

What we know so far:

2.2 update does take away root

The update is available from htc

Ava seems to have already done substantial work with 2.2 as seen here, http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=720682

Anything else that is proven and personally known please chime in, NO QUESTIONS.
[Captivate General] bassahaulic:
We all know the Captivate is getting its official 2.2 update in a few months.

My question is, since I rooted my Captivate, will I have to do anything special to update? Or, will I just be able to manually check for updates and It will install automatically from there?
[Captivate General] boborone:
Seriously?
[Captivate General] jel7:
I'm an android noob as well and would like to know too.
[Captivate General] bassahaulic:
Yes seriously. This is my first personal Android phone.

I would LOVE to see you come into the car audio world and do what I do.
[Captivate General] fly2dm00n:
i want to know too, so yea seriously
[Captivate General] KappaG9:
What a jerk
[Captivate General] graceflanger:
I don't know if you can update under settings or not, but if you are rooted I would wait for an official CM6 mod. I would think it would another month or two before that comes out.
[Captivate General] Asori:
When we flashed an old ROM on my buddy's G1 and rooted it, we didn't update the phone... he downloaded an OTA update and it flashed the new version to his phone successfully and removed root access. Had to do it all over again :)

I'm guessing the Captivate will be much the same, however if you are concerned you can always unroot the phone when AT&T/Samsung/Your favorite tech blog let you know OTA updates are being pushed to the Captivate. :)
[Captivate General] JamesAK:
BEING CYNICAL MAKES ME MORE SMARTER-ER DERRRRRRR

Everybody has to learn from the beginning, just like you evidently have. There's never a dumb question, but plenty of sh*tty teachers & bad examples[/TIRADE]

;)
[Captivate General] boborone:
I was actually wondering if he was serious. Been so many topics with this discussed in them. Didn't know if he was serious or playing around.

To the OP, I don't know jack bout android, contrary to what you think, but I do read, read and read some more. I had my first fuze for about three months before I got another to start playing with. Before I even got the phone I was reading up on it and learning. So I read and learned winmo for about 6 months before I got on to flashing.

I've been reading about android for the past couple months, been reading bout the captivate for the past week. I must say, about 25% of the topics I read talked about froyo, and at least 4 outa 5 times, someone asked this question. Not to mention all the threads that started with this same question.

So maybe I wrote too fast with my response, but really in my head I was curious if he was serious. This place used to make people have an account for so long before posting, and even longer before you could start a thread. It was for the spammers, but used to make people read. Not sure if thats still in effect, but it sure doesn't seem like it. Look at the guys whove been here for 1, 2, 3 years even and have less than fifty posts, what do you they are doing?
[Captivate General] Berserk87:
I except your challenge ;)
[Captivate General] systoxity:
OH snap! Throw down the gauntlet.

In all seriousness, you can remove root so it will never be a problem. Lets just wait and see what happens.
[Captivate General] dpmurphy81:
Ok really an OTA update for a phone should be no different from a Bios Flash on a PC, as the BIOs flash rewrites primary data to default settings so should the OTA update flash. So when 2.2 froyo flashes the OTA update it should in fact rewrite the phone rom to a default state and return the phone to all stock unrooted settings and return all bloat ware.
[Captivate General] mdsannihilation:
> i except your challenge

> except
[Captivate General] big99gt:
Good story....so how much space did you just waste? I'm sure everyone is thankful for your input, I read the forums everyday and have yet to see a definitive answer on weather or not we'll get OTA updates after we fiddle with our phones. My Nexus could not, I assume the Captivate can't either. I guess we'll have to flash back to stock to receive carrier updates. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.....cus that was the point of this thread right?
[Captivate General] systoxity:
Its all speculation until we see something tangible. Everyone just needs to know we're gonna get that Froyo OTA update installed one way or another.
[Captivate General] EpicEric:
Is this true?
[Captivate General] RealDreamer1976:
I am one of the lurkers...it's true, we're out there reading. I have never asked even one question (I think) from back to two years when I had a winmo Treo750 to HTC Fuze to Captivate now. Read the forums and educate yourself.
[Captivate General] tbong777:
LOL Obviously you are not following your own advice under a year with over 150 posts!!! LOL Maybe you should do more reading and less posturing?

I am guilty as well of asking a ton of questions ans starting threads moat of which are answered without the lecture....,,,,Every forum has the self appointed "Forum Police" Apparently now even some have have "cadets in training"
[Captivate General] shishir95:
Guys, FROYO (2.2) hasn't been released officially for our Captivates! But no, if you're talking about OTA updates then no, they will not work on our rooted Captivates well. Sometimes you may be able to register an update but it will fail if you are rooted but for MOST captivates it won't even get that far.

Personally, OTA updates are really unreliable so I'd either wait for someone on the dev section to grab it and make it usable for Odin, since that's easier for me and I can reinstall the software if something bad happens.

And no, a new firmware/ROM for our phones isn't like a BIOS update. I'm not sure how the process goes in depth but I'm pretty sure it just installs over the existing software and (if required) changes some settings deep in the phone's bootloader if necessary. Obviously a 2.2 or any other OS upgrade would mean the phone wipes the device first, which is one reason why OTA would not work.

Hope I answered everything?
[Droid Eris General] grimjeeper:
please delete Mods.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Byerss:
fun poll because i'm rather bored :)
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SeishinBG:
At least 30! :D
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Lukehluke:
Probably 5 - 10 times lol
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] howdid:
At time abaut 49 times...
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] solo170:
lost count. def above 50
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mercianary:
0 at most.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] seje99:
Not at all.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] termick:
There should be an 'Over 9000!' option :)
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kejaro:
Er. What about me, I did it 3 times. Does this mean I have to check twice more just to vote?

:D
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Singh400:
Once. I am very happy with my current 2.2 setup (The official ROM from AdamG) can't see me changing it anytime soon.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lept0n:
20 times at least...
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bharata212:
Over 30...

(No hope..)

HTC Desire + XDA Inhouse App
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dwoodwar:
About 15 times
[Droid Eris Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] josborne06:
So after nand backup my current ROM i install a new one, but when i wanna go back to the old ROM it says all my widgets have problem loading so I have to set them all up again. any way to fix this?