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[Captivate General] Asori:
Also note, the Captivate runs a newer version of the GPU that both phones run, giving the Captivate a higher clocked CPU and superior GPU.

iPhone 4: PowerVR SGX 535

Captivate: PowerVR SGX540

I would say the iPhone 4 wins until the Captivate can get it's 512MB

Totally agree. :)

This is an opinion, which I say doesn't help a lot to the review of a phone, but I prefer the captivate personally. This isn't something that should weigh against a phone at a technical standpoint unless it removes from the experience - such as the attenuation problem on the iPhone 4 :)

The iPhone wins on resolution. The Captivate wins on everything else.

Resolution:

iPhone 4:960x640

Captivate: 800x480

Winner: iPhone 4

Contrast Ratio

iPhone 4:800:1

Captivate: No backlight

Winner: Captivate

Refresh Rate

iPhone 4:5ms

Captivate: <1 ms

Winner: Captivate

There's other areas, such as battery use, and color, where Super AMOLED also shine, but it's hard to compare battery life on different platforms and color reproduction on the interwebs. :)

Captivate wins. Resolution is something that AMOLED can catch up with - Contrast Ratio and refresh rate are things LCD will be stuck at their current level in forever.

Agreed... iPhone has flash, definite winner.

Agree again.

Agree again. :) However, Android also does what it's supposed to do amazingly as well.

I would say the SGS/Captivate will have a clear victory in the hardware field once it can utilize it's 512MB of RAM, but hardware doesn't sell a phone alone. If you are a techy looking for a new device and you are unbiased on the OS the SGS should be the obvious buy. If you're not a techy, the iPhone should be the obvious buy. :)
[Captivate General] Sounds Good:
Guys... is there a Mail program on the Captivate that is similar to the Iphone's Mail?

Email handling is important to me, and one of the things I like most about the iPhone is the way its mail program handles all of my separate POP3 email addresses.

I'm not really a big fan of Gmail, so I'm hoping that's not the only option with the Captivate.
[Captivate General] Sirfearoth:
Apple 1984 ad

god i love this damn video
[Captivate General] dsjr2006:
I love when people assume what the iPhone has because nobody knows. We don't even know what the 3GS had for certain, it's still speculation. Funny thing is that either way the iPhone will still be much better for gaming for the time being because there are wayy more high quality graphically sophisticated games.
[Captivate General] AJerman:
I'm quite offended that you don't seem to have all the facts, and claim we're the ones that don't.

The Captivate is not even close to 3 times faster than the speed of other processors. It's benchmarked higher than the Snapdragons, but certainly not 3 times faster. As for the iPhone 4, it IS a tie, because they are 95% or more identical. They were both developed by Intrinsity prior to Apple's purchase of the company entirely. They have minor differences, but for the most part, they are the exact same processor and thus capable of the same speeds. As I mentioned, it's obvious that neither processor spends it's time at 1 GHz speeds. We know the Captivate DOES get up to 1 GHz at least, but the iPhone could have an upper limit on speed, or it could go to 1 GHz as well. Only Apple knows that, but regardless, the Hummingbird and A4 processors are all but identical, and their capabilities are as well.

For some numbers, the Nexus One stock with 2.1 will get around 7 Mflops in Linpack while the stock Captivate with 2.1 gets around 8. Obviously it's hard to compare to the iPhone since there isn't a common platform to test on, but like I said above, it should be almost the same as the Captivate's numbers. Also, these numbers rely heavily on optimizations of the OS, as the 2.2 Nexus One tests show, getting numbers like 37 Mflops, but it's accepted that the numbers can be used as a rough benchmark as long as you use the same version of Android when testing. This is why the Captivate is going to be incredible once 2.2 comes out.
[Captivate General] jekyoo_style:
I have the iPhone 4 and the Captivate and it's definitely a tie. I contemplated on selling one of the two (kinda useless to have 2 phones) but I'm so torn by the two that I'm keeping both. It's a WIN-WIN with both these phones.
[Captivate General] Sounds Good:
Can you do a mini-comparison for us? What you prefer about one over the other, etc?

Also, which one handles mail better? (especially POP3 email accounts)

Thanks! :)
[Captivate General] Sounds Good:
Wow, excellent write up! Thank you jekyoo_style! :)
[Captivate General] eunique:
Well...here goes the real solution....

I ordered the iphone 4 and renewing my contract when the phone comes in...

but I am buying a Captivate no contract..so, I will have both phone and

be switching back and forth between the two.

THERE..problem solved.

I like both of them.

iphone is more expensive with no contract...that is why i am renewing with

the 4...otherwise i would have renewed with Captivate
[Captivate General] lilo777:
Yeah, Froyo should do the trick but even now many reviews (including side-to-side video comparisons) show that Captivate is faster. Apparently it is much faster in graphics. BTW, I do not have any issues with TouchWiz. Disabling Live Wallpaper was enough to solve the slaggishness problem.

The looks are obviously subjective but in terms of build quality... Captivate has real Gorilla Glass front and metal back. iPhone has unknown origin glass on both sides. In my opinion, glass back alone disqualifies the device in terms of buid quality :)

This one is interesting. I believe that while Android keyboard is not true multitouch keyboard, Samsung's own keyboard is. I tried pressing two keys simultaneously on Samsung's keyboard and both keys were registered.
[Captivate General] Drachen:
I think you will have to get a micro-SIM to SIM adapter of some sort to be able to swap the SIM cards. The Captivate has a full-sized SIM card slot.
[Captivate General] Bjd223:
I hate to break the bad news to you but the GPU is not close.

iPhone 4 GPU - SGX535 (13 MPolys/s, 500Mpx/s@200MHz)

Captivate GPU- SGX540 (28 MPolys/s, 1Gpx/s@200MHz, Max Memory Band (GB/s) 4.2GB/s)

The GPU is capable of outputing more than double the amount of triangles per second. The GPU in the Captivate is no joke. It is better than the iPhone 4.
[Captivate General] jekyoo_style:
Disabling live wallpaper may fix the issue but should it be necessary for you to disable it to experience no lag? No. I can clearly make the same case with the iPhone 4. If I disable parts of the universal search it spotlight, the phone is even snappier. I think any device out of the box should be snappy and lag-free.

The iPhone 4 has gorilla glass also. The glass back is awesome on the iPhone 4. It definitely beats a plastic back on the 3GS or even a metal one.

Are you doing it where you're holding down 1 key and then pressing another key while still holding down the other key? This how you can determine if a keyboard is multi-touch or not. Not if it can register 2 keys simultaneously. From my experience and what I've read, the Droid X and the iPhone 4 are the only 2 phones that have this feature. I will reconfirm this once I'm home.
[Captivate General] jekyoo_style:
Specs are specs. I have ran identical games on both devices and the performance is identical.

The iPhone 4 is at most running at 800mhz and has a GPU twice as slow as the Captivate. Should Captivate owners be happy that the iPhone 4 is performing the same? And don't mention Froyo since Froyo has nothing to do with GPU performance.
[Captivate General] AJerman:
GPU and CPU are two different things. When Android gets games that make it worth having that GPU, that'll be one thing. For now, the games are few and far between, not to mention that most of them probably don't even begin to use that kind of power yet. Regardless, I was discussing the CPU.

You work for Apple?
[Captivate General] jekyoo_style:
No but I wish :( they pay too well for doing practically nothing. the dream job for an undergrad lol

I'm basing the 800mhz theory off of anandtech's article (http://www.anandtech.com/show/3794/the-iphone-4-review/12)

The iPhone 4 has double the ram and an identical GPU as the iPad but during comparsion tests, the iPad outperforms it. Apple has a history of underclocking the processors that are in the iPhone. The 2G/3G and the 3GS were all underclocked to > 200mhz. Also, if the iPhone did boost the 1GHz processor, they would have definitely raved about it. They did it for the iPad but not for the iPhone 4. Apple is all about flaunting numbers but they didn't do it for this one because it would make the people Q_Q if they knew.
[Captivate General] Sounds Good:
I agree 100%.
[Captivate General] Bjd223:
LOL I am very aware that CPU and GPU are different things. I see you were talking more about the CPU, and the OP was talking about CPU & GPU being equal. Which is what I was looking at. I suppose my comment applies more towards them.

Anyway most of the games from Gameloft show the GPU power of the Captivate. If they targeted the Galaxy S line they could make the games look even better.
[Captivate General] lilo777:
Pressing second key while holding another one does register two keys. Sometimes more than that :)
[Captivate General] gtg465x:
Just wait until Gingerbread. One of the main features of Gingerbread... GPU accelerated UI. We'll be sitting pretty then. Hopefully we get it by the end of the year. Snapdragon phones will be begging for mercy with their outdated GPUs.
[Captivate General] AJerman:
They do have a history of underclocking, and I wouldn't be surprised if the iPhone 4 is the same way, but I just don't want people making rumors sound like facts. The only fact we know is that the processors are basically identical, so the theoretical capabilities are basically the same. As we can see from 2.2, performance is very largely based on the OS and optimizations, so even if the CPU is underclocked to 800 MHz, it's real world performance could still be as good or better than the Captivate on Android 2.1. I'm just trying to keep facts and rumors separate. It's nothing against anyone here, but you simply can't state something as a fact without proof to back it up, and as 2.1 vs 2.2 shows, a different version of the OS could make a world of difference. Sure, it makes sense that 4.0 would be as good or better than 3.2, but 3.2 was only released for the iPad, so who's to say it doesn't have optimizations for the iPad? That's all I'm saying, we simply don't know and can't claim anything without proof. All we know is that the capabilities of the CPU are basically the same.

I agree with what you're saying, I just don't think CPU and GPU can be lumped together, and real world performance on a day to day basis, aside from gaming, is largely dependent on the CPU, not the GPU.

Yes, the Captivate definitely has the better GPU, but even that is pointless until something can utilize it on Android, and lets be honest, not many games can yet. In your everyday experience, you're mainly using CPU power, and the two are basically the same CPU, aside from possible underclocking as mentioned above. Regardless, the two phones are still VERY close, and certainly nothing that comes anywhere near a 3x or more difference in speed.

Really, if you want to get right down to it, general performance is impossible to compare unless you have two devices running the exact same OS with the same optimizations. Hell, I read a benchmark earlier that showed the Droid X having ridiculously higher file system speeds compared to the Captivate, and that could have a lot more overall performance affect than the GPU would.

So really, they need to be separated into two different comparisons, CPU, a tie until we can officially see what speed the two run, GPU, definitely the Captivate. Overall, it's impossible to really compare between two entirely different operating systems, other than small tests like browser speed, etc, which the Captivate seems to edge out the iPhone by a small margin.

Regardless, there's no test, actual or theoretical that would put the Captivate ahead by as much as the previous poster mentioned. Most benchmarks have shown the Captivate to be faster than other Android devices, but only by a small margin. The GPU may be quite a bit faster, but it doesn't equate to huge differences in overall system performance. Again, I'm just trying to keep the facts straight here rather than making assumptions on what COULD be different.
[Captivate General] kwksilver:
The iphone 4 hardware prowess may be what it is. I own both captivate and iphone 4 and I can assure you that from end user performance standpoints the iphone is far faster and far more responsive. Things are cached more intelligently location info is attained faster graphical ui lags far less frequently if ever and battery life is obviously better. I likE my androiD its fun but the software integration and resource management of the os is a good give years behind. You can please the the average consumer with big hardware numbers, but actual bottom line performance had far far more to do with the software side. Linux kernels are fantastic with scarce resources and had a long history of poor power management and it shows on android although google had done a lot for the cause. You can call the iphone crowd fanboys but the fact remains that the obviously less blessed smartphone from a hardware perspective is far faster. The while pixel thing on camera phones parallels the cpu marketing contest. You could easily make a 3mp camera on a phones and bless it with some merely acceptable glass optics and it world blow away the entire crop of current 8mp stupidity.
[Captivate General] V DidDy 210:
while i don't entirely agree with your post, it does have its merits

I just don't see an noticable lag on the captivate, I've used an iPhone (3G and 3Gs) for years now and visible lag would be between opening apps, opening up the SMS app and such and this phone just does not.. I hope I never experience it (I keep my mem pretty clear) so I will continue to say it doesn't lag with some proper maintainence until that time...

as for batt life, I can't refute or agree with that claim because i don't have a 4, but the Captivate has thus far shown exceptional batt life in comparison to my old iPhone. I can watch a movie while I run, listen to music in the car and at work, browse the internet, text and talk about 45-60 mins a day and at night i'll still around 30-40% battery left, if I watched a movie on my iPhone the batt would be dead maybe an hour after the film was done (the 3G modem just drew too much power, airplane mode or edge solves it but then again gets rid of the whole point of the cellular modem).

I will say the GPS was bette on the iPhone. and that TWO apps are much better on iPhone: MLB At Bat 2010 and Facebook

I don't call them fanboys, but I will say that they at times irrationally defend the product that they like...which is kind of what a fanboy is...
[Captivate General] AJerman:
You're drawing your comparisons to the 3G and 3GS that you had though, and I can assure you that they are ENTIRELY different beasts. The 3G I had before was the slowest turd I'd ever used. The iPhone 4 is ridiculously fast. The 3G DID lag... a LOT. The iPhone 4 had almost no lag at all, and the Captivate doesn't have much either when it's running right, but sometimes it picks up a little.

Same goes for the battery. My 3G could probably take 2 full charges a day, sometimes more. This is partly because the battery wasn't nearly as big, but it's also because it was 2 years old. My Captivate had terrible battery life before I did a full factory reset, I'm talking full drain from 100% in 8 hours or so with light to moderate usage. After the reset, I nearly made 24 hours yesterday (and last night since I forgot to plug it in, 2% left when I woke up). The iPhone 4, however, would last me a day and a half easily with at least moderate usage. Hell, with light usage I know I could have hit 2 days.
[Captivate General] rsage:
Will the Galaxy S series phones definitely be getting Gingerbread? I thought that Samsung only confirmed Froyo so far...
[Captivate General] gtg465x:
Should be. Samsung hasn't confirmed it, but Gingerbread may be released by Google in as little as 3 months and we have the highest end Android phone available. Seems likely that we should get it.
[Captivate General] Asori:
GPUs

My old Ti4200 plays StarCraft 1 as well as my Radeon 5870 does. Does that mean I should be sad that my Ti4200 performs as well? Probably not.

How many games are there on the app store that actually take advantage of the PowerVR SGX 535 - let alone the PowerVR SGX 540 that's in the Captivate? I'm going to guess the number is a flat zero.

The GPUs that are in high-end phones now are AMAZINGLY quick, they are quickly catching up to portable consoles and last-generation consoles in speed. I doubt there is anything on the marketplace that could provide a fair benchmark in a real-world environment for these two phones. You're right that benchmarks do not show real-world performance, but you can bet that a GPU that is superior by version and utilizes the same design, and dishes out two times the amount of polygons per second is a superior GPU. This would be like comparing a GTX 465 to a GTX 480 and seeing a benchmark difference. Do you really need a game to know the GTX 480 is better?

I doubt the actual gain is 2x higher than the iPhone 4, but I would not be surprised if it were 30-50% faster.

This is what annoys me with Google. It's google that allows AT&T to put junk on their phone, I noticed the same problem as you. After this, I rooted my phone and removed the AT&T Bloatware. I can now get through a day of moderate-heavy use and have around 60% battery life by time I get home (listening to MP3s about 6 hours, browsing the web, downloading a few apps, text messaging). Before, my phone was at 30% when I got home from work after doing nothing!

Microsoft used to be just as bad, my Tilt 2 was unbearably slow running the AT&T bloatware.
[Captivate General] Bjd223:
Jekyoo_Style you used to play Diablo II back in the day?
[Captivate General] systoxity:
Out of all those things you wrote, the camera is the only thing the iphone has that the captivate doesnt... You should have added battery life on there and then it would have two legitimate strengths.

for the record captivate has dedicated gpu, im sure others have already yelled at you about this. Also The captivate design looks better... imo of course.

asori sums this up very well.

i refuse to look at this garbage any longer.
[Captivate General] jekyoo_style:
yes. Pudgy_Poodle was my Druid name. LOLOL Do I know you? :o
[Captivate General] jekyoo_style:
good points, you're right.
[Captivate General] Bjd223:
I think so, it was a long time ago. I was Demonic Druid. I am almost 100% sure that we played a lot.
[Captivate General] jekyoo_style:
HAHAHAHAHA. omg, I totally remember you. Small ass world!
[Captivate General] sammyg122:
iphone4 vs Captivate

Here are my two cents...

http://skgrover.com/2010/08/samsung-captivate-android-review/
[Captivate General] Made2Last:
Personal experience. The iphone 4 battery life is vastly superior. Most frustrating part about captivate by far. Now that jailbreak is out I may.switch back.
[Captivate General] robstunner:
sorry to bump an olde, but i agree with the post above me. I LOVE everything about the Captivate, and enjoy using it so much more than the iPhone. The problem is with the iPhone i can get heavy usage out of it and still have 30-40% battery left over. With the captivate ill drop down to light/moderate usage and be at 10%. Hopefully some battery improvements come up with future updates with android.
[Captivate General] Kizzmiazz:
Those with battery problems. Don't know why or how you have your phone set up but we have an iphone 3g and we had an iphone 4 for about two weeks. My wife and myself both have captivates now cause the iphone , well , just blows compared to the captivate. Again a for battery life , I'm running what's in my sig and my wifes iphone 4 could not come close to my battery life.

That's all heavy usage. Listening to music most of the day, watched part of movie and some ashpalt 5 and dungeon hunter.

Sent from my Cognition v2.2 BETA 4 Froyo - RyanZA's OCLF and Screaming Fast
[Captivate General] robstunner:
with cog 2.2B4 i got 16hrs of light-med usage into 9% battery left. Thats everything set to the lowest sync settings, 1 Gmail with push and maybe 20 text messages. i Refuse to disable 3G in order to save battery life.

iPhone 4, well if you did a restore from previous backup (that backup being from a iPhone 3G) then yea, u would be slower. It seems whenever you get a phone u have to set up as new phone. Even day one on the iPhone 4 i got almost 2 days out of it with no charging whatsoever.
[Captivate General] Kizzmiazz:
Nope we didn't back up nothing from the old iphone all fresh installs.

Sent from my Cognition v2.2 BETA 4 Froyo - RyanZA's OCLF and Screaming Fast
[Captivate General] robstunner:
hmph. well im going to drop down to the stable 2.1.6 Cog Rom and see if that gives me any improvement. i lost 20% battery life on the phone from 6.30AM-9:30AM with barely any use. sub 8mins of the screen being on.
[Captivate General] Kizzmiazz:
Have you wiped your battery stats and calibrated your battery. Every time you flash a new rom you have to recalibrate your battery.

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[Captivate General] robstunner:
That could have something to do with it. Ill have to look it up, have any info on that?

I find that the battery in iPhone will last me until i get home to recharge it no matter how much i use it (even in heavy usage i can get by comfortably with a day). However with the captivate i always have to watch my usage and i dont have/want a second battery (i dont want means i dont want to be carrying a battery/charger everywhere i go). I agree that the captivate is better, its just this one issue that plagues me.
[Captivate General] Kizzmiazz:
I'll have to wait till I get home, my wifes keeping me out all day. But I'll come home and post how I reset my battery

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[Captivate General] robstunner:
I clicked reset battery stats in clockwork recovery, would there be anything else that would help with that?
[Captivate General] derek4484:
Anybody who says the Captivate battery life is better than iphone4 is a liar or either a deluded fanboi. Captivate battery life BLOWS!!! I let mine charge all night. every night. With very moderate use I'm already down to 50% and I just took it off charge at 7:30am this morning (its 1:40pm now) I'll barely make it through today on a whole charge. With iphone4 can make it through 2 full days and a partial 3rd day, doing same usage (mild web browsing, a few facebook posts, little bit of twitter, little bit of kingdoms live, no music, no videos). The S-AMOLED screen is a complete battery hog. On the weekend I rarely use the phone and it lasts a long time, because the screen stays off. But with any use, I can watch the circular battery gauge tick down, about 1-2% per minute that the screen is on. Whomever said S-AMOLED is supposed to be better at power usage than LCD or S-LCD is a total liar.
[Captivate General] bigdaddy4u:
Now that's the Truth - I am "NOT" an apple fan in "ANY" way. but the one thing they did right on the iphone 4 is battery life (and now that i think about - the ONLY thing that's right about it) I'd gladly give this screen up for a regular screen that uses less power and a different manufacturer - after the first initial ooooohh and aaaahhhhhs over the screen and Software and Hardware begin to surface - You'll see that the Captivate SUCKS (and HELL NO i wouldn't trade it for an Iphone anything).

I wish At&t would sell an HTC incredible type of device or even an EVO - the longer i live and the more money i waste - the more i'm starting to see that a 3.7in screen is just about perfect... (if the rest of the phone is not made by Samsung)