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[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
Now lets look at some of you statements. This is going to be fun.

Here is some facts about the 2.1 upgrade from 1.6. This is copied from Androids web site.

In this document

Platform Highlights

Revisions

API Level

Framework API Changes

Built-in Applications

Locales

Emulator Skins

Reference

API Differences Report »

See Also

Adding SDK Components

API Level: 7

Android 2.1 is a minor platform release

deployable to Android-powered handsets starting in January 2010. This release includes new API changes and bug fixes. For information on changes, see the Framework API section.

For developers, the Android 2.1 platform is available as a downloadable component for the Android SDK. The downloadable platform includes a fully compliant Android library and system image, as well as a set of emulator skins, sample applications, and more. The downloadable platform includes no external libraries.

To get started developing or testing against the Android 2.1 platform, use the Android SDK and AVD Manager tool to download the platform into your SDK. For more information, see Adding SDK Components.

EDIT- Notice that there is NO mention of the web browser! oops
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
Now I would like to take a look at the following link to Android. The video top right will cover the changes with the 2.2 from the 2.1.

http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.2-highlights.html
[XPERIA X10 General] realunited123:
Took a look at this ? : http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.0-highlights.html
[XPERIA X10 General] pngface:
I think they were talking about minor when compared to 2.0, not 1.6
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
As you can see in past posts, you had a problem with me calling the upgrade to 2.1 as 'MINOR'. I have given you a link to where Android calls it "MINOR". Yet for some reason you want to call it a MAJOR upgrade. LOL Forget what I say, Heck, forget what Android says. LOL - BODY SLAM!

You say that the biggest part of the upgrade is with the browser. This is also false. The 2.1 mainly fixes bugs with the 1.6 and provides live desk top. WOOPIDEEDOOOO! You better count on more from SE, becuase the 2.1 is basically the same as the 1.6!

I personal can't wait for the 2.1 update from SE. This way people will realize that the X10 still wont scramble your eggs.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
LOLOLOL There is no such thing. 2.0 is like saying 2.x. 2.1 is the first edition of the 2's. Shazam!
[XPERIA X10 General] realunited123:
Now that's funny!

http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.0-highlights.html
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
Developer tools are just that. Follow this link! Find your 2.0. Anyone find me one device anywhere. LOLOLOLOL

http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.2-highlights.html
[XPERIA X10 General] realunited123:
Since you are against clicking a link and looking at whats there i will copy paste it here:

New User Features

Quick Contact for Android

Multiple Accounts

Messaging Search

Email Combined Inbox

Camera Modes
Contacts and accounts

* Multiple accounts can be added to a device for email and contact synchronization, including Exchange accounts. (Handset manufacturers can choose whether to include Exchange support in their devices.)
* Developers can create sync adapters that provide synchronization with additional data sources.
* Quick Contact for Android provides instant access to a contact's information and communication modes. For example, a user can tap a contact photo and select to call, SMS, or email the person. Other applications such as Email, Messaging, and Calendar can also reveal the Quick Contact widget when you touch a contact photo or status icon.

Email

* Exchange support.
* Combined inbox to browse email from multiple accounts in one page.

Messaging

* Search functionality for all saved SMS and MMS messages.
* Auto delete the oldest messages in a conversation when a defined limit is reached.

Camera

* Built-in flash support
* Digital zoom
* Scene mode
* White balance
* Color effect
* Macro focus

Android virtual keyboard

* An improved keyboard layout to makes it easier to hit the correct characters and improve typing speed.
* The framework's multi-touch support ensures that key presses aren't missed while typing rapidly with two fingers.
* A smarter dictionary learns from word usage and automatically includes contact names as suggestions.

Browser

* Refreshed UI with actionable browser URL bar enables users to directly tap the address bar for instant searches and navigation.
* Bookmarks with web page thumbnails.
* Support for double-tap zoom.
* Support for HTML5:
o Database API support, for client-side databases using SQL.
o Application cache support, for offline applications.
o Geolocation API support, to provide location information about the device.
o <video> tag support in fullscreen mode.

Calendar

* Agenda view provides infinite scrolling.
* Events indicate the attending status for each invitee.
* Invite new guests to events.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
I have been attacked for the past 10 pages. Mainly by four different protagonist. Yet only today did a couple of them stop attacking me to actually contribute to the thread with their own thoughts. And, on the most basic elements their information was completely incorrect; WRONG. Now that is funny.

I will say this again. If you like your phone now, great. Because other than live desk top and minor bug fixes that is all the extra you will get with the 2.1. Now SE is supposedly going to deliver HD in the same update. But even that is still wait and see.

SE could have been working on their same contribution to the X10 (HD) and delivered the 2.2 with is a much more comprehensive upgrade from 1.6. Yet SE decided to go with an update that is near meaningless. And it is taking forever and it is still not released. Joke!

Mean while the list of devices that are getting 2.2 is getting longer by the day. SE suck!
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
This list is a joke! What do you think because it is long it has meaning? SE has already given you some of the items on this list. Exchange support,, WOW,, my P900 gave me that! Stop the presses, Agenda will have infinite scrolling! Here is another big one, Search saved sms and mms. Mind blowing.

Thank you for proving my point. Like Android state on their own web site, and like I have said,, this is a MINOR update.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
I did miss an important feature that the list reminded me of. The 2.1 supports a flash for the camera. That doesn't mean we will get it. But I do believe that SE will be so kind as to at least offer a flash for our camera after a half a years wait!
[XPERIA X10 General] realunited123:
I never said that it is important because it is long. You said that the 2.1 update was minor and did a copy paste which was changes from 2.0 to 2.1. Now if you have seen the list it includes:

which you said wont change.
[XPERIA X10 General] realunited123:
And donot consider my posts as an attack to you and anybody else. If you find so i apologize and i am sorry for that. :(
[XPERIA X10 General] ddewbofh:
Seriously? Has trollfeeding become the new official sport for these board? :P
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
Let's get one thing straight.

1) Android supporting something and SE giving it to you are not the same thing.

2) You made it sound like the major change was the web browser. It is not.

3) The items you listed in web browser are very minor adjustments. It is not a new web browser.

A)The first item on the list we already have.

B)Thumbnail saved favorites, uuh, I can read. Doesn't change anything but how it appears.

C)Double tap zoom changes what. I dont have to hit a plus or minus. this is not a remotely important change.

D) The X10 does not spport HTML5 so it doesn't matter if the 2.1 does. X10 does not and will not offer full stream support of any kind.

The rest is meaningless.

The browser is getting some bugs worked out, not upgraded. However, the 2.2 offers a real browser update. In additon, it will be between 2 to 3x faster than the 1.6 and 2.1.

Dude you are defending the undefendable. The 2.1 is not going to change anything. Ok the next update will give live wall paper, HD, and a flash for the camera when ever the update actually is released.
[XPERIA X10 General] naplesbill:
You are trying to downplay the importance of 2.1 over 1.6. While on the surface, the changes do seem minor, there are plenty of changes under the hood. The browser has been upgraded from 1.6 to 2.1. You will likely notice that there is no "exit" option in the browser on 2.1. I am assuming this is due to changes in memory management and the decision that closing the browser is unnecessary. Also, 2.1 has native Exchange support and that is a big deal to some people.

Finally, having had a Moto Droid with 2.0 and then updated to 2.1, there was definitely a noticeable performance improvement and my battery life improved as well. Going from 1.6 to 2.1 will be even more of an improvement without any doubt.
[XPERIA X10 General] bongd:
At least my *****ings have some merit. You guys are just splitting hairs. No one wins.

SE is douchey, but some X10 users don't really give a ****... end of story.
[XPERIA X10 General] Nimche:
One of my favorit updates in 2.1/
[XPERIA X10 General] naplesbill:
So, using your logic and sources, 2.2 is a minor release as well. And I quote:

Source link:

http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.2.html
[XPERIA X10 General] LIQU1D5NAKE:
???????? my x10 has a flash (led) on it. :confused:
[XPERIA X10 General] naplesbill:
Yes, just install Vignette and you can see it work as a camera flash. Here is to hoping the 2.1 camera in the SE rom will provide the same functionality.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
Minor 1.6 to 2.1

Minor 2.1 to 2.2

Minor + Minor equals a much more signifacant revision ;)

2.2 offers:

Speed is up 2 to 3 times faster (nice)

Supports 10.1 Flash (game changer)

Browser updated (important you look at the updates for this browser and compare it to 1.6 or 2.1)
[XPERIA X10 General] berbecverde:
I think that the SUPPORT for flash in 2.1 means that the LED it is going to do something by itself(let's say it is going to flash when you take a picture?????), not only when you turn the ''FLASH'' on or off.:p
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
LOL :rolleyes:
[XPERIA X10 General] LIQU1D5NAKE:
ooooooooooooohhhhh.......... would have been easier to understand if someone just said Auto-Flash
[XPERIA X10 General] naplesbill:
Wrong again. Minor means a .x point upgrade and major means a x. upgrade. This is basic development 101.

The speed improvements are only in CPU intensive applications and not applicable to many aspects of the phone. I would love to get 2.2 but it is not going to change my life or average usage of my phone.

Flash sounds great if you have a need for it. I don't need it much but it'll be interesting to play around with it. Also, HTC found a way to get flash 10.1 on Android 2.1 so it's quite possible this could get hacked in anyway.

The browser is still webkit with some changes. This is one area that has always been good on Android so...

Again, the importance of 1.6 to 2.1 is far greater than you are attempting to make it appear. The fact is that a 1.x to a 2.x update is a major update. All I can suggest is to deal with that as it is.
[XPERIA X10 General] berbecverde:
there is no fun in saying that:D
[XPERIA X10 General] metcard:
2.1 also brings video/3d acceleration over 1.6

So menus, games and videos should be a little smoother and less cpu intensive.
[XPERIA X10 General] mattiL:
Changing from 1.x to 2.x is usually called a version change, while changing from 2.1 to 2.2

would be called a revision, which usually means smaller changes.

And something else, I seem to recall something about a new Bluetooth stack in 2.x, this will be welcome to me, as the current SE BT stack seems slightly unstable and crash prone.

I might remember wrong though..
[XPERIA X10 General] emuneee:
<Major>.<Minor>.<Revision>.<Build>

1.6 -> 2.1 is a major version change

2.1 -> 2.2 is a minor version change

On the original Motorola Droid, it debuted with Android 2.0.0. It was later upgraded to 2.0.1, a revision change....then 2.1, then 2.2.
[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
Guys, do you realize he's just trolling you all?

He refuses to actually look at facts, read anything, or have an intelligent conversation.

Let's band together and place him on ignore, so his ignorance cannot be read.
[XPERIA X10 General] pngface:
How do you do that?
[XPERIA X10 General] cvchetan:
guys i want you all to calm down...

no groups are to be formed for flaming and trolling.

if you feel someone is trolling... stop replying.. the troll will eventually stop..

keep your calm.. this is a community.. not a war place...
[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
Click their username, click "View Public Profile", then "Add to Lists" and "Add to Ignore List"
[XPERIA X10 General] mrtim123:
good idea....done :)
[XPERIA X10 General] rkanwar:
I really cannot wait for 2.1 been waiting for this update for so long
[XPERIA X10 General] Tjotte:
And the days are just going by slower and slower... feels like this month is taking forever!
[XPERIA X10 General] oXunknownXo:
If you want to see how X10 looks with 2.1 update1(we are recieving 2.1 update2), watch this video, go to 3:34:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNAr0_24-nk
[XPERIA X10 General] hal752:
Love the slider, And the 2.1 control bar thing. Also the menus look better and more fluidid, Cant wait for this update. Being waiting since april =(
[XPERIA X10 General] rkanwar:
That looks so sleek, i cannot wait anymore. :-(:-( lol but seriously, why does his x10 look so glossy and myn doesnt
[XPERIA X10 General] doclloyd:
The 2.1 update looks to be running very smoothly on the X10 in the video. Looks like additional home screens, more speed improvements across the board, updated look for settings, etc. Would love to see samples of the HD video recordings and pictures as well.

This just makes me want the update sooner!
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
I think this attached video of Android is much clearer. View it and weep.

http://www.search-results.com/video?qsrc=167&o=16602&l=dis&q=android+2.2

Edit- Don't watch this if you anger easily ;)

http://www.adobe.com/devnet/flashplayer/articles/mobile_demos_fp10.1.html

Makes me regret ever buying SE!
[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
bla bla bla again... couldn't you just quit that?
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
Who died an left you in charge?

If you click my name you will find an option to block all post coming from me. Than you wont have to get your panties in a bunch every time I write about how yesterday 2.1 is and how many devices are running 2.2 with flash 10.1 :p
[XPERIA X10 General] pngface:
Some trolls just never give up. Just ignore him
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
I thought you put me on ignore yesterday?

Also, if you look over my past post you will see that I spent 99% of that time talking about the product(s) and/or revision(s). Take a look over your past posts you will see that you spent 99% of your time either faulting me for something you didn't like, calling me names (like troll), or criticizing my opinion. You self appointed Troll cops are the real trolls.
[XPERIA X10 General] qwer23:
True :rolleyes:
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
I read an article written by an HTC engineer that claimed the X10's lack of newer software revision (2.1,2.2) was do to the X10's instability. What he was basically saying is that we X10 owners have been waiting for an outdated OS because SE has not been able to get even the 2.1 to run smoothly on the device. So they needed all this time to work out the problems. I took this as meaning the issues were not simply software related, but also hardware related. Pity.

I don't think this bods very well for the SE brand. I sure know after four SE flagship devices that I won't be buying another one.

Has anyone taken a look at the videos on YouTube of EVO running 2.2? Looks sweat. It really helps put 2.1 into perspective.
[XPERIA X10 General] Nankov:
That is bs fm.... stop feeding us crap... my x10 runs smooth as butter with 1.6 and i would imagine it will be so much better with the update. The galaxy with 2.1 lags like crazy and its supposed to be the most powerfull phone out there... please leave these forums as your only getting people frustrated.... if you gonna troll all the time go somwhere else... stop talking crap about the x10 as it is one of the best devices out there even with the 1.6... and i think a lot of people feel the same way.
[XPERIA X10 General] TechGuru_x10:
Do u have link to back this up.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
Please don't assume the worst you misread me. The tech was saying that SE could not get the X10 to run smooth with the 2.1 or 2.1. This is what has been taking SE so long.

By the way I am glad you feel the 1.6 is runs great. I find it pretty buggy, but that is just me.

EDIT- I thought the EVO was suppose to be the most powerful?
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
I have it in my history. I am doing two things at once so I will put a link later when I have more band width.
[XPERIA X10 General] Nankov:
No the galaxy s is as ut has the hummingbird cpu and 512 ram but anyway what took SE so long is their own customatization over the stock 2.1 as its their firs time doing it because they are new to android. It was the same i beleive with 1.6 thats why they delayed the release of the device..
[XPERIA X10 General] naplesbill:
So, someone from a competitor to Sony makes a few nonsensical claims and you think that means anything?
[XPERIA X10 General] ddewbofh:
2.1 for the X10 taking it's time because of speed issues? *giggle*

A 1Ghz Snapdragon CPU and 384MB RAM coupled with an additional 128MB VRAM is anything but slow. A WinMo phone with a 528Mhz CPU and 288MB RAM can run the Sense UI on top of Eclair pretty well. It will scream on our phones regardless of how much crapware SE bolts on.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
I think SE would have been much better served waiting to release the device until say June or July. And, of course engineered with 2.2. But in any case had they wait to release the X10 a bit more, even with 1.6, I think they would have done a lot less damage to their rep. It would have been a lot better than making people wait several months.

Now it just appears that SE had a good idea about what was coming to market. So they rushed out their device to lock in a few buyers before other devices hit the shelves. because honestly think about it. Had SE waited until July with 1.6 and promised 2.1 in seven or eight weeks, consumers would have looked around the market to see all the devices offering 2.1 and promising 2.2 in seven or eight weeks.

but this is what SE has done with their last five flagship devices. And, as a SE loyal customer for the past nearly ten years, I see this as more than just a coincidence. I see it as them taking a piss out of their customers.

Now you look around there are no less than 15 devices running 2.2 by next weeks end and SE still haven't even released the 2.1. Now some of you don't have to be pissed off about that if you don't want to, but lay off the people who are.

Some could claim that this has something to do with all these great SE built add-on features. But even if that were true, wouldn't it have been better to simply release the 2.1 and engineer their add-ons after the fact?
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
Mate, there is no brain work here. SE rushed this device with bugs to market. They are making their customer wait for over half a year to give you "what they had in mind all along," and people are still waiting. And, they are now waiting for a finished product that will offer what amounts to be out dated technology. Compared to what else is on the market.

By the time everyone gets this phone sorted they will be tired of it and will be ready for the next great game changing device. And, this is what SE is good at. baiting you into buying, making you wait on false promises of grandeur, and repeating the process all over again. I know, I have been through this process with SE four times.
[XPERIA X10 General] ddewbofh:
In all fairness, I think you misjudge SE:s target demographic. Here in Sweden the X10 Mini and X10 Mini Pro are both in the top 5 list of the currently most sold phones even six months after their launch. The Mini is at number one, the iPhone is at three and Mini Pro is at fifth. Their customers don't really care about which version of the OS it runs, if they can record 720p video at 24fps or even very much about how many apps are available.

Here's a likely list of requirements for the majority of users:

1. Is it a cellphone?

2. Can you play music, video, Youtube and so on with it?

3. Does it do Facebook, Twitter, mail etc?

4. Is the camera at least passable?

5. Are there any games available I can play while I wait for the bus/train/taxi/whatever?

Those five points cover almost every use the average customer has for their phone. SE don't target people like us, gearing a phone towards hackers and power-users is a recipe for disaster. Just look at the Openmoko phones and how that project went. The Nexus One was more successfull but even that was pretty short-lived.

If you want a phone to modify, run the latest software on and mess around with then the X10 isn't for you. Easy as that. :)
[XPERIA X10 General] bongd:
Very true. My only gripe is that they loaded the X10 with such big balls that of course it's going to be alluring for niche groups like us! I wish they didn't taunt us with such a beautiful looking phone with amazing specs.

If the X10 Mini and Mini Pro were released first they could have polished off the X10 a little more. I still think SE should have done a lot more with the X10 before releasing it. The Android world is evolving so quickly that the X10 looks stagnant. Maybe not a direct fault of SE but c'mon, they've got to keep with the times. It's an expensive phone and consumers feel left in the dark.
[XPERIA X10 General] TechGuru_x10:
You worried about multitouch and other features and you cannot do multitasking, which every human is capable of. :-* i will wait for the proof. Even i know lot of things but without proof, it is foolish.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
Mate, you want proof? Reach into your own pocket and pull out that X10 several hundred dollar paper weight that you bought thinking it was the latest technology.

I will find it when and if I feel like it. Not because you demand some type of proof.

Here is a nice articile to wet your whistle on. If I have time to find the other artical from the HTC tech that says the same thing as these folks at tech radar, I will.

Here is a quote from the attachment. "

When we spoke to the brand, we were told the decision to roll with Android 1.6 was about stability, making sure that the platform works well before getting up to the latest Android version.

However, in our tests, the phone wasn't the most stable anyway - which makes us wonder how bad it would have been if 2.1 had come out the box."

Read more: http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...or-xperia-x10-coming-q4--687615#ixzz0z9CpQ19M

http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/android-2-1-upgrade-for-xperia-x10-coming-q4--687615
[XPERIA X10 General] ddewbofh:
Couldn't be more in agreement, the X10 was perhaps too ambitious to launch their Android series with. On one hand the X10 makes a pretty grand statement as a first outing, with it's pretty impressive hardware and good looks but on the other hand it could've been better "practice" to start out with the lighter devices and work their way up to a crescendo.

But as with much in life, hind-sight is 20/20. They made a decision and now they're stuck with it, I just hope they learned something from the experience. :)