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[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] FITRS:
I'm sorry to hear this.. but couldn't help but feel it was never going to be true as there really needs a decoder in between.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Pika007:
We still don't know what about the samsung cable.

What he bought was some el-cheapo namesless cable, so it was to be exptected.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] jblade1000:
just wanted to post that i ordered the $50 cable from my-wireless style and received it today. It is a samsung cable and it is micro USB to HDMI in terms of connector shape. When i plugged it in to my tv the phone says in the notification drawer its connected via USB and that i can " select to copy/move files to and from a computer" but doesnt output anything to the tv the way the 3.5mm jack does. Sooooooo it's entirely possible a software update is needed as well to enable it? I realize this is the i9000 section but i do want to state the caveat that i have a us tmo samsung vibrant....so go on, discuss
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Pika007:
You did notice that Tmo and AT&T tweeted that the cable is not supported on Captivate/Vibrant, and currently it's advertised by several places for the i9000 only, right?
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Rawat:
It's not supported, and it's probably not supported by the hardware. The cable is intended for the mondi (which has the hardware support), and not the SGS.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Rawat:
Those reports weren't based on any real facts. Sorry if I'm crushing anyones dreams, but I watched the story unfold, and to me it went down like this:

* Random blog sees the micro-usb to HDMI cable, and assumes it's for SGS.

* Other blogs pick up on the "story", and report it.

Captivate and Vibrant have the same hardware as the i9000. If it doesn't work for it, like we've been told, and like Samsung told me via twitter, it's not going to work for the international i9000.

Sorry.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] jblade1000:
nope im not on twitter

I was willing to test it for all you wonderful galaxy s folks here on xda:D
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] FITRS:
Champ! :D:D:D
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Rawat:
Hats off to you for testing it. It pretty much confirms what I was worried about, and it is indeed not supported. Oh well.

On a side note (not directed at you jblade1000), can we lay this issue to rest now? It's not supported, and it doesn't work.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Tim182:
Are you sure TV out is enabled under options?
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Pika007:
http://clove.co.uk/viewProduct.aspx?product=8BA97BD5-1236-4F21-ACD2-B8E56804F05F

I really don't think any place with a reputation like Clove would advertise this cable iif it really didn't have anything to do with the device.

Also, while samsung support in the US tweeted about the Tmo and AT&T versions, no report of it not being compatible with the i9000 were ever published.

I'm not putting this issue to rest 'till i see the cable tested with the i9000 on froyo.

I think 2.1 doesn't even have the software to support the cable output method.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Rawat:
Who cares if clove listed it? They can't make mistakes?

And the hardware is same in the US versions, and the international i9000 (bar some minor cosmetive differences). If it's not supported in the US models, it's not supported in ours.

Send an email to clove asking how they know it's supported?
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Pika007:
Of crouse clove can make mistakes.

But in this case, it may be or NOT be a mistake.

And untill it's tested properly- it won't be "put to rest". There's no reason to do so.

We all didn't take HDMI into consideration when buying the device, but if it's actually present, it has a lot of added value.

At the moment, US support declared the cable does not work with US models, no word was given about Korean/Internatinal models.

I'm waiting to SEE what happens, instead of speculate.

I don't really understand why the existance of this thread bothers you so much.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Rawat:
Hardware is the same. Won't work.

I hate to see people get all excited over a rumour and some misinformation is all =/.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Pika007:
All phones are based on the same PLATFORM (S5PC110), the boards are not 100% identical.

No one is getting overly excited with this. Read the thread again. Most of it was questions "how the hell would such a cable even work", and speculation revolving it.

Now we wait to see if all the fuss was a false alarm. That's all.

I think that instead of deciding if it's better to kill the subject or not, let's just wait for it to reach a proper conclusion.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Bjd223:
Ahh the SoC supports HDMI output, thats undeniable. The fact is we do not have a mini HDMI out. So either some chuckle-head at Samsung saw the cable and assumed it would work and put it on the website and left it there for over a month, or the cable requires some sort of software to make it work. I work in IT and I don't randomly slap up FAQs on my corporate website without it going through a ****load of people.

Anyway maybe:

1.) Maybe the software is not done

2.) Maybe they want to push one big update instead of a bunch of smaller ones. GPS, Lag issues, Froyo, etc, this cable update, other **** we don't even know about.

3.) Maybe that company got wise and is sueing them for IP so they can't release it until they pay up.

4.) Maybe non of the U.S. carriers paid for this feature so they aren't getting it; so they pulled it from the FAQ sites. The SoC supports a lot of features but each carrier has options on what we get.

More than likely it will end up not working...ever. But what does talking about it hurt? There are hundreds if not thousands of features that XDA devs have unlocked over the years, and if everyone shot them down all day then nothing would get done.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Rawat:
You mean this? Check the attachment, it's for the Mondi.

As far as I'm concerned, if it were to work on SGS, what's to stop it from working on HTC desire, or any other phone with a micro-usb port? Just because the specification of the chip says it can support it, doesn't mean the implementation of it actually does.

Anyway, I don't want to get drawn into an argument here. If it ever works, I'll eat my hat. I'll make a video, and put it up on youtube ;)
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Rahulg247:
I thought there were small differences between international and US I9000 such as the gyroscope in US versions and not in international versions??

If correct then maybe this might be a difference between the two . . . ?
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] shollywood:
Looks just like the one Samsung sells...

http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/...detail&subsubtype=data-cables-kits&returnurl=

Product ID: ECC1HU0BBEBSTD
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] HappyBallz:
Just a quick question then...what makes THAT phone(Mondi) be able to use this cable? What does it have that makes it so special that it can output 720 videos?
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Pika007:
There's no gyroscope in the US version, and six-axis sensors are present in all devices. It's an accelerometer+magnetic orientation sensor, which kind of works like a gyro, but with less accuracy.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Rawat:
I'm thinking it's hardware support. If it was software, then it should also be possible with HTC desire, as well as SGS
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] HappyBallz:
Do we have any diagrams on all 3 of these phones? As far as layout and hardware in them and what each chip can do? :confused:

Why would Desire be automatically be able to transfer HD videos over-cable just because(if) SGS can? Two different companies so I'd figure motehrboards and major components would be different as well?

Whoever got this cable, did you set TV-output options to ON and all that, did you try using different players for videos and pictures?

Next qeustion is can we rip some coding bits from Evo and such to see what exactly it does when you ask it to turn the hdmi-out to transmit? Would be interesting to see just how it operates.

I really hope that guy on ebay does not send me the wrong cable, I would be mad as hell.:mad:
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] jblade1000:
yup thats the first thing i did when the tv didnt automatically pick up the signal (which any other hdmi connected device that is powered on, it would)

This is what I'm hoping, honestly. If not, oh well.

All: Let me know if you have any questions or want me to try different things out since I already got this thing
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] jblade1000:
yup i tried stock (both the app and from the gallery), mixzing and rock player. no dice.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Bjd223:
There is no reason to argue, so don't worry about that. Anyway the cable I am talking about was a mini-USB to HDMI cable that Samsung listed on the Vibrant and Captivate FAQ section. They even had instructions on how to hook up the cable and use it. But alas they removed it and then said (on facebook) that the cable was for a different phone and that it wouldn't work.

So like I said, it could have been an honest mistake, or there is another reason that they had to pull it. Its either not ready or it won't ever be.

Just because a phone has a mini USB doesn't mean this cable should auto-magically work, I just have a little bit more hope because they had it listed for a couple of weeks so someone somewhere at Samsung thought it would work.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] sztupy:
Check post #70 about my ramblings about why this won't work. Some additions to the people who still don't get it:

HDMI transfers the image uncompressed. That's why HDMI cables have that many pins. On the computer when you watch a video in compressed form the CPU/GPU decompress the video and send it out to the display uncompressed (that's why your VGA/TFT/LCD monitor can be so cheap, because it doesn't need a decompressor, 'cause it gets the image in one piece)

There are actually some USB->HDMI converters that work the following way: In the computer the driver for this converter will compress the video, then send it out on USB (so it will travel compressed), then the converter will decompress it, and send it out on the HDMI port uncompressed. These converters are bulky (because they are actually a small computer that can handle the decompression)

So what does a mobile phone like the SGS need so it can use an USB to HDMI?

- an external adapter that converts the propietary compressed signal to uncompressed HDMI

- drivers, that communicate with the external device

- processing power that can compress the signal on the device on-the-fly

Let's see what we got:

- Adapter: The cable shown on the picture seems to have this adapter built in in the HDMI end.

- Drivers: I don't know whether they exist or not. It seems the Monid has this capability, but SGS don't.

- Processing power: I don't know either. While it might seem that 1Ghz of CPU plus a GPU should be enough, this might not be the case, because compressing 720p data on-the-fly at least 30 frames per sec is not an easy feat. (These adapters have a hard time working on an Eee PC, when playing 720p content too). The Mondi might have a separate circuit to do this job.

Conclusion: Although the cable does exist, there are two more things left: drivers and processing power. If the drivers can be created (theoretically they can), there is still one question left: does the SGS have enough resources to decompress 720p video and recompress (no, you can't send the compressed video out without recompressing it) it on-the-fly so the adapter can handle it. I personally don't think so.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Pika007:
The SGX540 combined with an A8 1GHZ core has more than enough power to do it on-the-fly, but only provided that the software responsible for the matter will have good NEON support.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] brunes:
No, we get it, what you don't seem to get is just because a port is USB form factor does not mean it has to use the USB protocol all the time.

For example, my laptop I am typing this on has a USB port that is *ALSO* an eSATA port. That is right, both ports are in one. HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE MY BRAIN MELTS!

Is our port like this? No. However, that does not preclude the fact that the 5 pins on our port might be used different ways with an intelligent chip cable to give you HDMI - you simply do not know. In fact, SiliconImage has already done this. Is this what Samsung has planned for the SGS? Who knows? But you can't just blanket outright say it is not possible - the chip on the phone supports it, and a 5 pin HDMI standard exists.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/08/silicon-image-vastlane-mobile-5-pin-hdmi-standard/

http://www.siliconimage.com/technologies/index.aspx?Page=7&Section=1
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] sztupy:
"Mobile HD technology-enabled mobile devices will connect to the DTV via a docking station or dongle, which includes an Mobile HD-to-HDMI bridge IC that performs the conversion from the uncompressed Mobile HD video signals into standard HDMI compatible signals."

This means: you need an adapter (which I said), drivers, and processing power (which will be done by the separate chip). If the SGS had this chip, I think samsung had advertised it as so.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] brunes:
No, you said, and kept saying, that somehow HDMI had to be translated to and from USB, and that all this was impossible.

Of course drivers would be needed, drivers are needed for anything. Do you know if Samsung has or will ever have the required kernel modules to drive this chip? I sure don't, since I don't have a magic looking glass, nor do I pretend to have one.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Bjd223:
The one cable end on that 50$ samsung cable is gi-normous. I am sure there could be an IC or whatever else is needed to drive this.

Anyway, I do agree it is not looking good for this, but to say it is impossible is not true, the technology already exists to do it.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] d3a:
I'd like to point out that such a cable would not exist if it could not be used for anything. Though from what I can tell, it was not designed for the i9000. It seems to be used for Hard drives :S
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] snapper.fishes:
Why on earth would you want to connect a harddrive to a HDMI?
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] jblade1000:
um...to put photos and video on your tv with out the need for a computer or network or third party box?
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Piny12:
And how would you actually playback media? You need a device which does that. You cant just connect a harddrive to your TV. At least not with a HDMI cable.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Nirvana388:
They are samsung media drives that are capable of playing back some file types.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] rkantos:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/29/samsung-galaxy-tab-to-have-hdmi-dock-leather-case-and-other-si/

At least that thing has the same processor as the SGS. :D
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Superroach:
Yeah seen that as well, that looks neat! Wondering if the larger form factors was what allowed it though.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] LongDono:
From cellularaccessory.com/ecc1hu0bbeb.html (Galaxy S is referred to in the product listing):

The mystery lives on...
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] jblade1000:
that'd be fantastic
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Superroach:
Not liking the chances, but that's a nice find..
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Picasosz:
Got thee Cable

Now for the Weird When I plug the Cable in I get USB connected,etc.. when I apply power to the HDMi Cable it does not recognize as a USB Cable any More. When You Power the Chip in the HDMi Cable it changes from USB connected to Just Charging. Any Thoughts
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] AllGamer:
maybe you guys needs this software to make it work?

Real HDMI

http://www.appbrain.com/app/com.gmanapps.realhdmi
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Superroach:
That looks very interesting!

But I think the droid x has a hdmi output port:

http://www.infosyncworld.com/reviews/cell-phones/motorola-droid-x/?n=3

Photo of it working:

http://www.intomobile.com/2010/08/30/droid-x-gets-full-hdmi-output-courtesy-of-real-hdmi/

This post here has a good faq:

http://www.droidxforums.com/forum/droid-x-apps/5111-real-hdmi-control-hdmi-port-your-droid-x.html

It's been mentioned to not work wit hthe Evo 4g because of a different hdmi controller?

On the good side though, it is really sending out a 720p signal, wow
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Finguz:
Are you guys talking about this?

Apparently ...

So a software update to the phone will be required as well, but it looks very much like this is coming!

Edit: I thought the part in bold would be good reading for the guy insisting it is not possible ;)
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] forcedv:
As long as the software update does not disable the current 3.5mm output, I'll be happy because there's no way I'm paying $50 for a tv out cable.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Superroach:
Cry some more, its not that much at all if it does have integrated charging and a chip of some description in it... It's unlikely they'll invalidate their other peripherals neither.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] flybob:
I got my hands on a Micro USB -> HDMI cable, planning to do some testing with several different Smasung Galaxy S after the weekend. It's a bit of a longshot i belive, but someone had to try it...

I got this cable from a factory i Asia, and it is fully functional for some phone models over there that actually outputs HDMI through the micro USB connector, so it is definitely possible.

Sceptical whether the OS in the Galaxy will support it though, but I have to try since no one else seems to do anything about it :)
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Pilotxxx:
LOL

Thank you! our savier :)

I think about something... maybe you will need some app like this:

http://www.gmanapps.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=46&Itemid=54

can't wait! and hope i9000 will work :)
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Miyagi:
SmartqV7 with Eclair has HDMI output and i use it on my fullHD Sony Bravia without problems at full HD... it must not be so difficult Samsung!!! arg!!!
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Pilotxxx:
flybob

Any good news?
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Gutje:
Maybe the official Froyo next week will support it :)
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Rizlo:
Yeah and it'll make coffee too... don't hold your breath pal :)
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] flybob:
Havn't tried yet, I don't own any Galaxy and during the weekend I'm moving so there is simply no time... but on monday/tuesday i should have some answers.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Superroach:
Cheers for the effort flybob, will be great to hear your results.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] AllGamer:
looking forward to hear the results remember to test also that HDMI app linked above
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] chronster:
any updates?
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] dunk7:
Really hoping to find out soon as well...I jumped the gun in getting a Galaxy S because of the HDMI out potential. Looks like I should have held off a bit. I'll be praying for the rest of the week hoping for some good news.

Not sure if it was posted in this thread but one company that was offering the cable have not offered returns on it because they are claiming that Samsung will have a software update that will enable use of any cable. Maybe there is hope?
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] PhoenixFx:
Found a cheap cable on eBay . Wonder if this works :confused:. Few phones including Evo 4G and Droid X are listed as supported, and two Samsung digital Cameras. So I'm guessing this cable will work *if* Galaxy S actually supports HDMI over USB, since there are already two Samsung products (assuming Samsung will stick to one implementation of HDMI over USB)

EDIT: Ordered one for the heck of it, in the worst case I'd end up with an extra micro+mini USB to regular USB cable. ;)
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] Jeppe H:
Just registered in order to reply :)

Thanks guys for all the nice things you do and most importantly, remember to share your experiences on it in here :)

Have you seen this "cant post link" it is for the divX 720p playback confirmation

and this: "cant post link" but it is the Tv out review by HDblog

I guess you already knew this, but doesnt it seem to be higher resolution than the 800*480 of the SGS itself?

So whether it has HDMI output or not it is actually pretty good quality :P
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] kenkiller:
the cable found on samsung's site isn't made for the galaxy series. It's made for a series of portable UMPCs.

Don't get your panties in a bunch...usb to hdmi isn't coming anytime soon for Galaxy.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] jaapschaap:
From your link:

Q: Can this cable work to connect Samsung Galaxy S phone(micro USB) to TV(HDMI)?

A: sorry,can't

Looks like there is no real crossing from usb tot hdmi just 2 kabels in one (mini-hdmi to hdmi, micro-usb to usb)...
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] PhoenixFx:
Oh crap :mad:, I didn't realize that the one at the other end is micro HDMI and there is no cross, . Oh well.. guess then I'll use it as an extra USB cable then..
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] zulu99:
hdmi out is possible

Galaxy s have Silicon Image MHD SiI9234 Transmitter.

from Galaxy Tab source code i found MHD_Sil9234.c

we can output hdmi signal to television in 2 mode:

1) with SiI9292 MHL™-to-HDMI Bridge (icluse in a dock station or special cable)

2) directly to MHL enabled HDTV

for information: http://www.siliconimage.com/products/family.aspx?id=10#47

p.s. this MHL tecnology use 5 pin cable = micro usb also

in real situation (if samsung not commercialize a dock) we can enable MHD SiI9234 Transmitter support in the kernel and use the dock station of galaxy tab in this mode.

12 pin proprietary -> usb ->female-female usb ->usb ->microusb
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] MikesOnline:
Has anyone tried the Samsung Fascinate HDMI Video Cable

from 1800mobiles dot com?
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] oswade:
Looks the like the same cable we've been talking about the beginning. Someone really needs to get and test this cable (or has someone already? I can't even remember... cause it used to be out of stock everywhere)

Now, googling that code ECC1HU0BBEB gives a ton of results. Surely someone has got the dough and guts to test lol.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] maartenjanvdwielen:
i dislike you guys so much for the moment,

bought a cheap ass cable worked like a charm and now i want a new (big) tv set! grrrr i h@#$ you!
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] tommy34:
which cable did you buy
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] maartenjanvdwielen:
CA-75U Nokia thingy,

http://cgi.benl.ebay.be/ws/eBayISAP...881232&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT#ht_1780wt_827
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] dunk7:
I just bought one...

I bought the cable from 1800Mobiles.com...supposed to arrive in 3-4 days. I'll post the results once I receive it. If anyone else is interested, I used coupon code univca and got 15% off.
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] oswade:
Cool! Hope it works :)
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] tommy34:
i got that one too :). But it's not a hdmi output
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] zulu99:
SiI9234 driver is not compiled in galaxy s kernel

Inspecting the source code froyo 2.2 of galaxy s, the sii9234 driver for hdmi output is not compiled.

This driver is compiled and work in the galaxy tab. the probe of this is the fact that if you see the dmesg log you can see the sii9234 loaded and work.

Can our developer see the dmesg of galaxy s and confirm that sii9234 is not loaded ?

If it is not loaded can our developers compile this driver inside the kernel of galaxy s.

i don't know how to compile the kernel but for a developer is simple to include this driver, you can copy the line relative to SiI9234 from config of galaxy tab and past in the source code of galaxy s.

both source code have the file MHD_SiI9234.c relative to the sii9234 transmitter for the hdmi output produced by silicon image
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] AllGamer:
that is a standard TV quality not HDMI

it looks about the quality of a SVIDEO
[Galaxy S I9000 Accessories] dunk7:
Well, got a message that the cable is backordered 1-2 weeks. Let's see what happens but I'm not holding out hope on this one.