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[Nexus One General] flarbear:
Google doesn't "push" anything in the hardware arena. They look at what is coming and find ways to leverage it within Android. If anything, the Open Handset partners push them to keep Android up with their ever-evolving hardware plans.

The N1 was not "invented" by Google - it was a byproduct of the convergence of technologies that were all heading to market in 2010 one way or another. The current crop of phones would all have been on the drawing board well before the N1 was released. At most they worked with HTC as a customer to pick and choose features which HTC was already considering and came up with their own flavor of the standard 2010 "snapdragony AMOLED 512MB WVGAish" smartphone. Since Google also needs to adopt hardware as the reference platform for each new generation of Android they likely also considered what combination of features would ensure that the handset they adopted was at the front of the wave rather than the middle or tail end of it. They would have adopted that handset as the next generation of "ADP" developer phone even if they didn't try the big N1 experiment of marketing it on their own.

If the N1 was in any way an indicator of "what was to come" it was more because Google needed to adopt (one of) the handset(s) that was at the front of the wave to keep developers testing on the latest hardware than a result of Google designing a phone that the handset manufacturers could never have envisioned on their own. In a way, they are first because they need to chose the first whichever it will be, not because they are the cleverest.

As each new evolutionary wave heralds in you will likely find Google adopting one of the first specimens of each one of those new levels as a new ADP for the next release of Android - rinse and repeat as long as they stay in the game. And the various manufacturers will likely all be vying to supply Google with that "leading edge" model both because they recognize the importance of that advance availability to make all of their new phones shine, and also because of the prestige of being featured by Google in the Android developer community. The first few rounds have gone to HTC in that respect.
[Nexus One General] ravens0ng:
I had been on the fence about what to upgrade to from my ageing G1. I wanted something with pure android, no sense crap etc, but had heard really bad things about nexus support and was hoping for something with hdmi.

When I saw an article yesterday about this being the last shipment of N1's I took the plunge and bought one. My wife went to the site a few hours later and it was sold out. Lucky me, I got one of the very last ones.

Fed ex should be dropping it off today! I can't wait.:D
[Nexus One General] bigo1087:
Ya. Same situatiom. I just got mine. Tuesday.
[Nexus One General] :
Lol, are you delusional?

Look at the sales of Moto Droid.
[Nexus One General] inneyeseakay:
Look at the advertising that went into the Moto Droid...
[Nexus One General] :
Yeah, so?

We're not talking hypotheticals here.
[Nexus One General] inneyeseakay:
You're judging success on the number of phones sold; others could judge success on other things.

Think about how much Motorola spent on Droid advertising, take that out of their sales of the Droid and then do the same for the N1... I don't think I ever saw a TV commercial for the N1; where as the droid was getting a TON of airtime, even before it came out.

I think the Droid may be one of the most heavily advertised cell phones of all time and you are putting that up against a phone that pretty much sold itself w/very minimal advertising...

So, again; it's all about how you judge success.

Sales alone don't make one item more successful than another. If that was the case, it would mean a Honda S2000 is much more successful sports car than any Ferrari... My $0.02
[Nexus One General] RogerPodacter:
dont try to use sound logic like this, nobody understand it. here's the question i ask, does everyond honestly think google expected to sell millions of the nexus, when all they did is thro up a few ads on websites? not ONE tv commercial, not ONE primetime spot. so OF COURSE the nexus isnt going to sell millions. how is that not easily understood? how would soccer moms and average joe know about the nexus without aggressive advertising? they wouldnt. so i really dont see how anyone can think the nexus was a failure based on the advertising that they purposely put into it.

there's no way google expected anything other than what they got with their nexus advertising campaign.
[Nexus One General] :
I'm pretty sure Motorola turned a bigger profit on it's droid than google did on the N1.

That's the only "success" that matters when you're talking about a retail product.

Sales figures aside. The Droid put android in more hands than N1 probably ever will in it's lifetime. The huge growth of android this year can be primarily attributed to the droid.
[Nexus One General] inneyeseakay:
Why couldn't you base success on intention? The Nexus One was intended to be a developer's dream phone... was it the most successful android yet in that aspect?

Google's plan with the Nexus One wasn't to put one in every consumer's hand...

I'm not arguing which was the most successful android phone... I'm arguing that "success" is based on perspective.

If Goonish is judging a successful Android device on Android, the way Google intended it to be (open-source, dev-friendly, no bloatware, etc), then the N1 is the most successful Android device to date in his eyes... and in this aspect, I agree.

You are basing it's unsuccessfulness on it not selling nearly as many as pretty much any other phone out there, LOL.... and in this aspect, I agree.

As I said before; if you judge success solely on sales, Ferrari has never built a sports car that has been nearly as "successful" has a Honda S2000, Mitsubishi Eclipse or even Hyundai Tiburon... just sayin'
[Nexus One General] :
Base success on intent?

Guess I can retire now. lol

They didn't even succeed in their intent.

Their intent was to "revolutionize" the way people buy phones in the US. That certainly didn't happen.

Nokia has been doing this business model for ages, and guess what? Very few people actually care about unlocked open phones in the US (see N900).

The N1 could have never been released and he landscape of android would look the same as it does today, except for maybe flash, that would still be in beta.
[Nexus One General] inneyeseakay:
LOL, if you wanna skew our conversation onto people... then you would base your sucess on how many times you sold yourself, I'm pretty sure that's illegal :eek:

LOL, JK
[Nexus One General] Goonish:
Google have not released sales figures for the N1, online or otherwise. So I guess we may never now how many actually sold. The figures which are available are made up by market a analysts, online sales are impossible to gauge.

The success of the N1 as judged by myself and the CEO of Google was in pushing the androi hardware platform, which it clearly has.
[Nexus One General] :
You don't need to see sales figures to know that the n1 has very very low numbers:

This is data from Google themselves. Taken from phones logging onto the market.

The 2.2 slot is the dedicate percentage of N1's out there, since there is no other official 2.2 device. Unless you count hacked 2.2 devices, then the numbers lower even more.

From admob.
[Nexus One General] Goonish:
Got a link and date for that data?
[Nexus One General] :
First chart from android developer blog (July 12):

http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2010/07/how-to-have-your-cupcake-and-eat-it-too.html

Second chart from weird (july 2 based on may):

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/07/motorola-droid-rules-android/
[Nexus One General] RogerPodacter:
tell me how you think google expected to "revolutionize" the way people buy phones when they didnt even advertise the nexus even a little bit. google honestly expected to sell tons of this phone wiht no advertising? what, people were just supposed to use mental telepathy to discover the nexus one? so google, this incredibly smart corp, didnt realize it needed marketing to sell a product?

or, more reaslistically, they purposely didnt market the phone, because all they wanted was a developer phone.

which scenario actually makes sense, and which is just lunacy?
[Nexus One General] Goonish:
You're arguing that there was no demand for the N1 and have just proven yourself wrong. Active 2.2 android handsets even in such low percentages is still a **** load of a single phone mate.

Advertising funds usually outweigh both development, production and distribution. Google didn't pay a dime for distribution (until recently) nor have they had to paid for advertising or marketing. Anyone worth there salt knows this translated to big profits, and a very successful first retail venture.

None of this changes the fact that the N1 has helped push android and garner interest for this OS among manufacturers and avoided a possible stagnation of Google's market share.
[Nexus One General] samagon:
based on that pie chart, my bad math, and the 12.7 million number, at the time of that survey, there were roughly 250000 nexus ones, assuming there isn't another google device with android.

whatever that means.
[Nexus One General] mtl171:
now the att n1's are super rare!
[Nexus One General] Goonish:
I distinctly remember reading that the N1 sold way over 100k units within the first month. This was also viewed as an apparent flop due to iPhone selling over a million first month. What wasn't realized is that apple class moving units to stores and dealers as sales, Google only had one outlet.

Serial number sequences revealed first months sales, I find this a way more concrete figure than market analyst figures.

http://techcrunch.com/2010/02/04/nexus-one-google-sales/
[Nexus One General] :
You people are insane if you think Google didn't want to sell a million phones.

They attempted to sell this phones with minimum effort and were hoping for huge word of mouth.

They left the retail business because it was too much work for them. They didn't even have a support line when the phone went on sale. Google has never been a company that sells products directly to end users, they weren't prepared for dealing with end users that were paying customers.

I've argued this point too many times, you can believe all you want Google was trying to "make a statement" or set the "tone".

Fact of the matter is, Google chose the low tier phone from HTC's lineup, stripped it down as much as possible to be able to say "First!!!11".

They took a huge gamble with their esoteric marketing and failed, hard. They saw the raw figures and tried to milk it as much as possible without having to invest it (proper marketing).

If they want just a development phone, it'd be called ADP3 from the getgo.

Google didn't "push hardware". This phone would have come out regardless of whether Google bid on it to put it's brand on it or not.
[Nexus One General] RogerPodacter:
Of course it would have been nice to sell a million units. All I'm saying is there was no marketing at all, and they are smart people, I'm sure they understand what a lack of marketing means for selling the phone. Google has plenty of money where they could have at least easily thrown some money for prime time tv ads. There's not much even needed to do that. Then they could say they expected a good amount of eyes see the nexus one for sale and where to get it.
[Nexus One General] kp72204:
I got my N1 and thats all i care about. This is pretty much like having a nintendo or sega as a kid. If you had 1 than screw the other. I seen it in the Usa Today and i contemplated getting one. When my touch pro 2 fell and cracked on the street I jumped at the chance to buy one. I have never looked back as I believe this is the best phone available. I'm not held down by 1 carrier, i can go as i please. Got into an arguement yesterday at a sprint kiosk over the evo. telling only thin i like bout the evo was the kickstand and thats about it. bottom line i got my N1 and i feel pretty smart. No koola aid here just happiness!!!!!!!!!!!
[Nexus One General] Tech_Boy:
Can you still buy if you are a developer?
[Nexus One General] Babydollll:
I got my Nexus One on June 22. I am so glad I did. Other than the "Milestone/Original Droid" the N1 (please correct me if I am wrong) is/are the only phone(s) running stock Android. None of those skins running on top to ruin it all. I just LOVE my N1 and I have to say that I do not covet any of the newer phones that have come out recently like the Galaxy S series or the Droid X. I just don't. I just wish they would reconsider making a Nexus 2 in the future.
[Nexus One General] galaxys:
Congratz...very smart move. Wait till you have it a few months, then you'll think it can do so much that it can even fly :D:cool:
[Nexus One General] Tech_Boy:
Yeah I really like it. But mine is giving me major problems! Keeps rebooting consistently. Going to need to get it replaced :(
[Nexus One General] RogerPodacter:
Yeah I agree, I have no desire to leave my nexus because its build quality is so much better, and these newer phones don't have that much of a difference with new features or hardware. The nexus has vanilla android and still the best out there:-)
[EVO 4G General] thenewguy821:
Here's a quick guide on the updates.

If you go to this link:

CM6 Nightly Builds

There will be a series of paired files One is a .txt file, one is a .zip file. Any doubts as to which is which, the Build is the one around 66Mb.

The file names look like this:

cm_supersonic-07212010-003638

Obviously, cm_supersonic is CyanogenMod 6 for the HTC Evo (aka Supersonic)

The 07212010 is the date of the release July 21 2010

003638 is the aproximate time of the release in 24-hr format (military time) 12:36:38 am

The nightlys are named this way, so you can always tell which is the most current. If the date is newer, that is the newer file. If the dates are the same, which one is later in the day.

Hope this helps to clear up some of the confusion as to which is the newest builds....

Sorry if this is out of place, but the 2-3 posts per page on the CM6 thread asking for "What is the latest build" clutters up things a bit. I had posted this in the thread, but it got lost in the mix....
[EVO 4G General] wiregr:
Another option is to use the premium version of ClockworkMod ROM Manager, which will let you download and install any of the CM6 nightly builds without having to manually boot back to recovery (if you're lazy, like me :)
[EVO 4G General] spiicytuna:
I am trying to figure out why this was posted in the dev section? Maybe I am missing somehting?:confused::confused: If anything it should be edited onto the front page of the cm6 thread already in this forum.... *shrug*
[EVO 4G General] Sporkman:
total waste of time just book mark the nightly link and look ! simple and easy !!
[EVO 4G General] M@XLOL:
This was such a good idea!

Hey OP

???
[EVO 4G General] timothydonohue:
^ now that's funny
[EVO 4G General] oreoOozZz:
OMFG I cant breathe lol A+
[EVO 4G General] SiL3nTKiLL:
hahah nice pic
[EVO 4G General] ralekos:
good thread for new rom starters!!! bump it up i am using evo with cya rom build
[EVO 4G General] thenewguy821:
Sorry I wasted everyone's precious time with this. I thought it would help lower the 50 or so questions an hour asking "Where can we get the newest build?"
[EVO 4G General] Sporkman:
imho if they dont know where to look then they have no business flashing it
[EVO 4G General] TheBiles:
This is what I do! I love ROM Manager.
[EVO 4G General] cmart4:
Rom Manager.... ftw!!!!
[Captivate General] Griffon23:
Hey all, I've had my Captivate now for afew days and I'm loving it, but today I ran across an issue that's driving me crazy.

For some reason when I connect it to my PC I'm not longer getting the Mount SD option on the phone and can't look at my files. I've enabled USB debugging and tried it. I've told it to come up as Mass Storage and tried it. I also told it to Ask when connected and it's still not working properly. The drives show up in Windows but cannot be accessed. I also no longer get the USB notification up in the notification bar.

The weird thing is sometimes if I restart the phone and connect it everything is fine, but then if I go to do it again nothing. Anyone have any suggestions?
[Captivate General] systoxity:
Biggest misconception here is that its random, it isn't.

Download kies by samsung and update it and you will get the right USB drivers installed automatically.

If you choose not to do that, you'll Vast have to keep trying different ports or restarting.

Its also possible that you may have a faulty wire but this is unlikely.
[Captivate General] Griffon23:
I've tried it with multiple wires, and when it works it is reliable, but most of the time it's just not showing a USB connection on the phone.

I spent awhile downloading Kies and it's updates and in Mass Storage mode it sees the drives of the phone but doesn't let me use them. I Kies mode it does nothing... This is so confusing...
[Captivate General] skizzz:
Go in here download the drivers:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=728929

Be aware, they might take up to 15 minutes to install, and no KIE is not included.

Make sure you close all your apps on phone before connecting to PC. Few apps that use the SD will hold the resource and not allow for PC connection.
[Captivate General] Griffon23:
I downloaded those afew days ago but I will redownload and reinstall again just incase. I think the fact that the USB notification isn't showing up in the bar on the top of the phone is what's confusing me the most. Previously I would see the USB Icon and something would pop up saying I need to mount the drive. I would mount it and there would be no problem. Now I'm not getting that at all and I've tried Mass Storage, USB Debugging, Kies, and Ask.
[Captivate General] gtg465x:
I've never had a problem connecting my Captivate to my Windows 7 64 bit computer. I didn't install Kies or any drivers either. Not sure what all the fuss is about. I'm suspecting a lot of PEBCAK errors.
[Captivate General] hitchb:
I'm starting to think there are some strange power requirements when connecting the phone to USB. Most of my systems have been fine but on one, when I connect the phone to the front USB ports, the USB Wifi adapter on the back simply stops working. While the phone is connected, the computer refuses to recognize the Wifi adapter. A soon as I disconnect the phone it starts working again.

I've seen people on other forums with intermittent issues getting the mass storage connection to work when connected to the front ports on their systems. A lot of times the front ports are connected through a USB hub in the computer case that doesn't deliver full power. If the phone isn't drawing enough power or is shunting power from other devices, this might explain the issues people are having.
[Captivate General] Belaflek:
Mine is acting up . I used both teh 5.02 drivers from samsung and the one linked here and similar results. In Samsung mode it goes to the Digital Still camera and flakes and on mass storage it shows two new drives..neither of which is writable or readable. This is on a cap with no SD card and XP sp3. I tried different ports but with the same result.
[Captivate General] MSHampton:
I was fighting with this all day. I installed, uninstalled, reinstalled all the drivers and kies, but, I was trying to connect via media player and nothing was happening. Then I noticed that there was a small message popping up on the Captivate's screen that said something about the device had to be on the idle screen before it would connect and fun the sync software. Tried turning off all running programs and still nothing. Then, I remembered that I had switched to Launcher Pro. I switched back to touch wiz, and lo and behold, it connected right up and allowed me to sync items with media player.
[Captivate General] cellgeek:
Interesting. I've been using ADW.Launcher and haven't see this problem except when I don't get the cable securely inserted into the Captivate. I even use a Nokia cable most of the time. The Kies Drivers are clearly the most stable. I downloaded the Drivers from the Captivate microsite and found they didn't support KIES, so I just reinstalled the KIES driver for MTP. Everything else works fine on W7x64.

++++UPDATE+++++ Validating MSHampton post

Well this sucks. On my Captivate, unless you are using TW.Launcher and in the idle screen, the Captivate won't launch MTP so you can connect to KIES. The USB Storage mode works with other Launchers (ADW and LaunchPro), but not KIES or Media. I didn't try PC Internet tethering. I switched between the two several times, and KIES only works with TW.Launcher on my device.

Is there anyone who knows of a Launcher OTHER than TW.Launcher that will interface with KIES so that the Captivate can connect? Or can ADW or LauncherPro be "tweaked" for the Captivate? I was just starting to like ADW.Launcher.
[Captivate General] gtg465x:
Holy crap, I have that EXACT same problem. I thought it was just the fact that my USB Wifi adapter is a piece if crap (which it is).

Just for reference, what kind is yours? Mine is a Belkin Wireless G F5D7050.
[Captivate General] hitchb:
It's the Tenda 311U which is also a cheap piece of crap ($15 at Micro Center.) It doesn't look like they use the same chipset.
[Captivate General] dfarm:
I've had the same issue as well. Hooking up the Captivate to the front USB ports disables my USB mouse (on the back). I'm not sure what it could be doing that would lock up the USB bus...
[Captivate General] tnayrbj:
Using Windows 7 netbook

I finally got tired of it deciding and put in the mode to ask me when I connect. the problem i am having is when you just charge it, it does not know that it is just charging and wants to go to ysb mass storage or the other screen. also I use double twist to connect to the phone.

thanks

Jon
[Captivate General] joedoe:
The best bet here is to use USB ports on the back of the computer.
[Captivate General] mrbisme33:
If you're still having problems, select mass storage and connect the usb (or select ask every time and it will ask when you plug it in). To access the drive like a removable drive, you have to swipe the icon in the top right of the screen and select the usb selection. Then click mount and it should work! I had a hard time with this too and thought it wasn't very intuitive. Good luck!
[Captivate General] dfarm:
Yep, strangely enough using the back ports worked. I'll have to see if a powered USB hub will work and then I guess we can conclude that it's a power issue.
[Captivate General] Griffon23:
I've set it to both Mass Storage and Ask every time and the problem I get is that I only get the USB icon up top sometimes, it's very rare. I've tried this on multiple ports and multiple PCs with the drivers downloaded and sometimes the notification shows up and I can select mount, but most of the time nothing is in my notification bar at all.

I love this phone but I don't understand why it's so frustrating just to connect it to a PC. I've also tried the Kies methods and it sees the phone, but doesn't let me access the files.
[Captivate General] phlunkie:
This just solved my kies and windows 7-64bit issue. This should be sticked advice or added to the wiki.
[Captivate General] MobileXT:
USB Setting no PC- Connection

I just got my AT&T captivate and I notice that under application,usb setting I don't have the PC-internet option in there. This is only what I have under USB setting:

Kies(Firmware update)

Media Player

Mass storage

Ask on connection

So, question is, how do I enable the pc-internet option? Any suggestion I really appreciate.

Sam
[Captivate General] cappysw10:
So you have the JH7 update, you would need to flash back to JF6 to get that option back. Or you could flash a leaked Froyo rom that has mobile ap, look in the Development section for your flavor of choice.

Good job reviving a 4 month old thread though.
[Captivate General] MobileXT:
I know captivate is been out for a while but I just have my captivate so sorry if I reviving a 4 month old thread. Thanks of the reply.