yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] orangekid:
also,

I wonder if you flash the ROM as an NBH file or a choose.zip file, lol
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] rajkosto:
you obviously cant write to nand if you boot from WM because if you write to nand then WM will get overwritten so you couldnt boot to WM to boot android anymore.

obviously.

DFT takes a proprietary file format as input, and it's generated from a text file and rootfs/system images made from mkyaffs2image
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] pack21:
Why This Video show a option 7 to WP7s at 0.28 "LOAD WP7s"?

like this, of another vid i see in the web:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] orangekid:
who said anything about booting from WM?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] orangekid:
it's been highly rumored that cotulla was working on a wp7 bootloader, magldr makes sense as a bootloader for Android and/or wp7 when we actually get a working port from one of the htc roms
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] rajkosto:
for those who asked 2nd run quadrant

http://i.imgur.com/WjIUR.jpg

also, yaffs checkpointing in action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWsxUWwUo_E&fmt=22 (count the seconds needed for full boot :D)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Nafi33:
I think you guys can forget WP7, is there any progress made by da_gnarf who received lots of donations (enough to buy about 3 HD2's :rolleyes:) ?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] pack21:
ahahahaha, WP7s on HD2?......nice one!;)

You are kiding with me.....like my jokes in xda.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] stirkac:
wtf you cannot boot from rom... it isn't technically possible. you can only launch haret(you can open any program from everywhere), it jumps to sd after...

And with you all saying that eu won't have NAND, you don't have a clue! Do you know how much space any of current android devices have? it is around 512mb(more or less). these builds take so much space because they have rootfs made as file that is mounted later (256mb as 256mb rom) but it is empty so you can write in! i tought this thread is about something actually done, but i see nothing 'bout bunch of nonsense..
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dharvey4651:
What would be absolutely incredible would be:

For 512mb users:

A super slim ROM with Android Cooked into Nand as well with DUAL BOOT - Can choose which BEFORE either one actually boots.

For 1024mb users:

A slim or relatively normal ROM with Android cooked into Nand as well with DUAL BOOT - Can choose which BEFORE either one actually boots.

A modified bootloader would be necessary to accomplish such a goal however and so what I'm saying here is a 100% PIPE DREAM. :p
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] t69broken:
And couldn't all the file paths be changed to the root of the nand memory to boot. tedious yes but possible. and I don't mind just hitting android or WM when the WM loads, but having it boot from the internal memory even in the stage it is in now would be huge.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] :
if you flashed it to nand you would not be able to dual boot, unless youre talking about using haret from nand.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] rob17:
Windows mobile and android will both fit on the internal memory even for 512 EU HD2's.

Running from internal memory is a necessity(eventually for 24/7 use) as discussed, Its many times faster and many times less power consuming. It does not require the use of the MicroSD interface every time data is transfered.

Implementation will not be rushed.

We must have very stable roms with most hardware working, the installation method will be tested many times over prior to public release since this is where HD2's can become bricked(if we are not careful)

:D

Rob (robsbay.co.uk)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] hoss_n2:
what is the speed of nand flash compared to sd class 6 card

this is the card speeds

Class 2: 16 Mbit/s (2 MB/s)

Class 4: 32 Mbit/s (4 MB/s)

Class 6: 48 Mbit/s (6 MB/s)

Class 10: 80 Mbit/s (10 MB/s)

is the nand flash speed more than class 10 ?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] -NRG-:
I'm not sure what the nand speed is but the other reason why nand can be faster, or atleast feels faster is because of the accesstimes wich are lower with nand flash compared to sd mem.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] weeezel:
So is it going to be possible? cuz i thought when all the developers configure android on a booted winmo then theyre far away from single booting android cuz they configure it with over a running winmo... :O i would really know what some devs say cuz if its not doable im going to buy a speedy sd card
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ~~Tito~~:
Th benefit of booting from NAND? Not dependent on SD, or a loader. Just a straight RAW OS that is "Permanent". I bet we will be able to flash either Android or WM at will since it will have to be the same flashing process.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] makavelitha:
Guy's, u should remember one thing!

the nexus one and many of the other android devices do also only have "512MB of ROM", so why should this be a problem for the 512MB HTC HD2?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] victorbd:
i also prefer this option of dual booting,but cant ged rid of the robotic voice.. :( on stock tmous updated rom wid radio 2.12 :"(
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] inf3rno1:
Guys, don't doubt the developers here, such as cotulla, bepe, daG etc. As soon as the JTAG points are found and enough developers get there own JTAG units, and can start creating custom bootloaders without risking bricking their HD2, it will happen, until then, lets perfect the drivers/kernel
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] maseo:
amen to that. Patience, and on the time being get everything working silky smooth, before even bothering with the NAND installations :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] t69broken:
so

I was thinking, do the commands written in the android/haret boot files actually state to go to sd card or does it mount the sd card as if it were the nand memory. then just give generic commands to seek files from the "root" that has been specified.

I am thinking about copying all the android to the nand memory of my phone and giving it a go with no memory card in, but I am a bit apprehensive on whether or not it will nuke my phone memory.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] zoth:
I was wondering myself. Can it be done? Experts anyone?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] rlee008:
i was also wondering this... since haret and all the other files needed reside inside a folder called "Android" (in froyo) wouldnt copying the folder over to internal space on the phone be possible and wouldnt it run? i believe it would look within the folder for all actions... i dont think i dare to do it yet since im not sure of the logistics involved but im sure someone out there that knows (cooks & devs) can say if it is possible or not.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] t69broken:
that's all I'm waiting for is a word that this wouldn't brick my phone, I don't want to go back to my tp2, they aren't far enough along yet to compare.

If it won't do anything to my phone I'll do it, just need a more expert opinion before I do.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] njlpowell42:
I don't think it will do anything to your phone, as I have done it.

What I did was create a file on the NAND called "Storage Card" and put all of the Android files in there. When I run HaReT, it just says "Waiting for SD Card" over and over and over. So no cigar there. Devs?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] danog:
And what the dev's learn thru that implementation process can help to port WP7 to our HD2's! Not that I'm over excited for that as a 3rd OS, but it's already fun having dual boot capability, even in its current state.

I look forward to flashing Android to internal memory just so I dont have to trash my slow Class 2 MCSD card :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ~~Tito~~:
DA_G has JTAG for the HD2, maybe he can help?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] orangekid:
it's possible if emulated, just depends on if someone wants to slave over the work.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] orangekid:
he was trying to boot WP7 from NAND with all working drivers using HSPL I think,

if you had an emulated port run from a custom bootloader like magldr you'd have a better chance.

Hell if I know how to do that, but I do think it's possible, just depends if someone knows how and is willing.

IDK why else he'd have an option to boot WP7 on his bootloader.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] juanreboiras:
final

well, how dont know when run the new build and android system its very very pretty, paid my new telephone htc hd desire, after tell we coments. Bye...: rolleyes :
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] juanzho11:
Check this out. Is he kidding?

http://cotulla.pp.ru/leo/WP7S/IMAG0202.jpg
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] wiliueyum:
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?:D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Sy-Net:
I think I might have to use Google translator to decipher this one out, lol
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] :
huh?????...........
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] :
haha got to it before i did. Makes no sense
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] orangekid:
he was making fun of the fact the the preceding poster made absolutely no sense.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ghis1:
Haha, did you really check the image? Because that's a Windows XP embedded compact version 7, it ain't anything like Win7... if so it's quite ugly..hehe
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] TonyCubed:
Does not compute! :confused:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] pack21:
this isn't WP7s
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Mikenif:
:D Nah

Actually if the phone will more have like to do better looking, BUT its that whats having it so i decided to do more like

ONTOPIC

I dont understand why people would want only android on their hd2 as we already have the option to have a dual boot:cool:

Im just hoping for W7 to hit the scene so i can make it a triple boot:p
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] orangekid:
yes it is! Can't you tell metro UI when you see it?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ilijan:
everybody talked to port android to hd2 is impossible...

-cotule make it ....

everybody talk wp7s to port an hd2 is imposible...

- to the russian people never say never!!!becouse they can make it possible...

they just need more vodka drinks... so donate to cotula...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] snowblindd:
That is a picture of Windows Embeddet 7 - it has nothing to do with Windows Phone 7
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] DaviD202:
what is this?? :eek: A remote control program? Can someone share the name of this app? :rolleyes:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] shuntje:
a s s w h i p e

read and learn you ignorant fool. He has been working closely with Cortulla for some time now working on a universal bootloader for Android and WM7.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] shree.cse:
See in the previous post.

that is Windows embeddet7

That is not yet developed.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] myself11:
Is that CE7?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Yuri.A:
stupid associations with russian people... :mad:

.....but good suggestion for all ;)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] 666Duvel666:
Lol!! ;)

A little offtopic here and sorry for that ;) :

We just need to be patient... month's ago we couldn't imagine that we would have some pretty stables android rom's running in our HD2's! And guess what? We do have pretty stable roms running in our LEO's! I remmember when Dcordes started it all with his first post on his first Android thread! I couldn't imagine it would be so dam fast to reach the point we have now!!! And it was the fastest Android to WinMo port ever made. Sooooo... It can only be a great prediction for what's about to come...

Even if not, i'm greatfull to all Dev's for their time spent arround this project!

Cheers to you all!! :cool::cool:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mskip:
I think thats alot more ON track than some people have been talking tonight lol :rolleyes:

Mark.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] orangekid:
Indeed. :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Kenichi:
Thats the kind of attitude our community needs to have.

Thank Devs :) I love Android on my HD2, it's the one thing that makes my phone different than all the other HD2's at my school.

Kenichi.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] 666Duvel666:
lol :rolleyes:

Even so, it was off topic :P :rolleyes:

Let's keep it rolling on topic and wishing for good news.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] thatruth132:
what time is it out there big skipp
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mskip:
Its 12:07am right now. Son and wife are in bed so im just chilling with some zombie flicks while working on an update for one of my themes lol.

What about you mate :)

Mark.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] thatruth132:
im in inglewood california its 4:11pm here i am sitting here setting up my delivery for my g2
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ddgarcia05:
When is it expected to arrive?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] thatruth132:
after talking with someone i cancled , i am better off going in the store to get it faster ...seems the store will have enough to go around , i guess there expecting them to sale and people to upgrade in-store
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dharvey4651:
Man oh man... If only you knew his story - you wouldn't be posting this... All the man ever did was contribute. I suggest you think through any future posts else I might just delete em.

-DH
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] beckvn:
what happens to that project. I don't see it around for a while
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] sylau90:
yea,same here...even I follow DA_Gnaft twitter...he didn't updates anything.

WAIT and finger crossed...but now is time for nand boot....haha
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] squish099:
Word is he's been working with cotulla's on getting a boot loader made to boot wp7, maybe magldr but don't know

sent from my desire hd2
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] figtab:
dont buy a g2 from the tmobile store. just wait a few weeks and you can get it at walmart or costco for much cheaper. i made the mistake of buying my vibrant from tmobile and it cost me 220 with a 2 year contract. if i would of just waited a few weeks i could of got it for 99 bucks from costco with no mail in rebate. plus costco has a 90 day return policy
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] thatruth132:
i already have tmobile i am going to upgrade , what i was told also was that the preorders go out the day before the store has them.....which is the 6th
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jkm601:
Excited!

Man, I am new here but I am REALLY excited for this! I am currently running Bangsters V.1.4 ROM with Elegancia V4.0 winmo base ROM. I LOVE having Android on my HD2!

Thanks to all of the hard working developers out there! I look forward to seeing more of your incredible work. :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Apache0c:
http://androidontmobilehd2.wordpress.com/2010/08/15/money-bomb-for-hd2/
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] figtab:
i am talking about upgrades not new customers. i upgraded to the vibrant for 220 with a new 2 year contract on the day it came out. if i would of waited a few weeks i could of got it for 99 bucks (upgrade) with a new 2 year contract from costco. I would wait it out for the g2, also the mytouch hd is coming out so there is no need to rush into ordering the g2. mytouch hd is supposed to be dual core with a front facing camera. overall its your choice and preference if you like the physical qwerty better than touch form factor.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] simengtx:
do u guys think the nand rom will be released before the october?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] EclipseX:
whe don't know when about realease of nand.....but....its very soon =)....but will surely come out later this year .. so you can be guaranteed
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Carloswithac:
You guys waited this long, you can wait a little bit longer. Stop being impatient! I'm looking forward to it, but you don't see me bugging the devs.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Fa1n7:
I'm not saying anything to the devs, but I'd like to ask all the people who keep on saying "It will be out tonight!" or "Wait couple of more hours." to stop! It is stupid, guys! There is no point. It makes people who can't wait even angrier!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] pack21:
Personal I prefer the camera fix in DesireHD build, than a EVO NAND.!

But would lover, offcorse the DesireHD NAND.

DesireHD gives 10 to 7 on the EVO.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] EclipseX:
desirehd need to be repair....for work well in hd2....but, when all work done into dhd, they can pass instantly for nand xD...because nand is already done...and I belive without bugs 8-)....and.....I really want this....fast boot xD

I belive the EVO will be upgrated too sense 2.3 =)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] thesweeney:
:eek::rolleyes::eek:

Anyone who 'can't wait' or who gets angry about waiting need to grow the f**k up!

And anyone who does pester the devs in IRC needs to stop! The only thing they will accomplish will be counterproductive... the devs dont need such distractions getting in the way or slowing them down.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Fa1n7:
If you continue pissing off people who can't wait you'll get a lot more spam in forums and chats. that's what I have to say.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Apache0c:
You need to go see a counselor. What you're saying feels like a threat and if that is going to be your attitude then I think most of us would rather you not post here at all.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Fa1n7:
Well, I'm not impatient, I'm just advising you.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] thatruth132:
ok back on point development is slowing down due too cleaning up the prodject ...they had encountered a couple of issues with led lights and media playback from what i have been reading
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] thatruth132:
ahh i forgot about the mytouch hd , but the only thing is we really dont know to much about its release i am sure i read what you read, about the dual core thingy :D..but i still think i want the g2 if the mytouch hd does come out soon i can wheel and deal my g2 on craiglist .
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] squish099:
Ok reading through the logs: camera fix for dhd is coming (apparently it was locked to 720p), nand isn't "finished" they are having issues with WiFi, cellular data, strange phone (robo voice, echo, ect), they are working hard and could be solved and ready soon but only they have the real timeline..

sent from my desire hd2
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] thatruth132:
hey how the hell are ya thesweeney..lol yeah i see a lot of people on there making simular names as the devs and asking questions a realllllly lame move
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] thesweeney:
Thanks foe the updates/info :)

I'm alright thanks :D just struggling to keep the 'flames' bottled up inside... I honestly think that half the people who post here must be <16yrs old.

I'm only 29 but I'm really starting to feel old when I read some of the bs on here sometimes :mad:

but yeah im cool hows you? lol

back on track.....

I'd rather wait another month and and GRACIOUSLY recieve a ~100% working ROM, than for the devs to rush/push out a unfinished article... but at the end of the day it doesnt matter one bit what I or anyone else thinks or wants when it comes to NANDroid (feel free to use that name lol).... we should all count ourselves lucky that the devs plan on releasing this to us : the public.

There would be nothing stopping them from keeping it between themselves, afterall.

aaanywaaay.

thanks for the progress updates chaps :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] pack21:
Oh boy, im crasing waiting for the camera fix on DesireHD....let's have hope on devs that are working on that like guaner and darkstone.

I can wait more time for a good working NAND....but would like a quickly fix on camera DHD.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] thatruth132:
very true thesweeney , and yes keep those flames inside, also nandroid is also the name of the backup utility on regular android phones but it still sounds cool for our hd2's...i do agree with the age thing on here but .....what can we really do i found that even when i dont flame but say something close to flamming , no matter who else joins in i am going to get it in the end ..."im older i know better "senerio....
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] thesweeney:
/me quietly nods

*sighs*

Thanks again for the development info earlier :D (<< lame attempt at trying to stay on topic ;) )
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] simengtx:
well, however, just be expecting...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Ducter:
LOL, all I can say is yeah, and yeah.

Bottled flames are the best ones.

I will stay on topic also, although I dont fully understand the topic of this thread lol. Its all discussion about what we dont have, mainly by people that havent tested it, based on chat logs and twisted speculation's... yet we are all waiting to get it...kinda an odd topic really, with that said I guess I was on topic.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] squish099:
OK HERE'S MY RANT...

IF YOUR NOT A DEV STAY THE HELL OUTTA THE IRC ROOM. THIS GUY MN ANNOYED COTULLA THIS MORNING AND HE LEFT THE ROOM CAUSE OF IT.. THERE IS NO NEED TO GO IN THERE AND ASK THEM QUESTIONS BOUT WHEN IS THIS GONNA BE DONE AND STUPID STUFF.. THESE GUYS ARE IN THERE DOING SERIOUS WORK FOR ALL OF US.. LEAVE THE QUESTIONS IN THE ANDROID GENERAL SECTION OR HTC_LINUX_CHAT... END RANT:)

sent from my desire hd2
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Jammie_1989:
Well said nm is a

Please keep the profanity down! -Josh
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] icematrix:
Please respect those who work for us;)

Thank Bepe and Cotulla

I wait quietly
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] thatruth132:
i know i damn near went on there just to flame his a** but i know i wouildnt be doing anything helpful
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] cbmm:
what a moron
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] adamvanner:
Yeah, the number of sycophants around is absolutely sickening.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] hoss_n2:
I THINK THere will noT BE second release for desire hd build
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Hagforce:
Why not? Any reason? :confused: