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[Vibrant Accessories] mikey98277:
13.99 Deal Review after 1 month

Well its been a month since i bought the 2 batteries for 13.99 deal on ebay. First off they worked pretty good, i ran then through one at a time, meaning i used the stock one, charged to 100% and took it until it shut the phone down when dying. Then used 1 of the cheap ones and did the same, and then again for the 2nd. I did this for 3 weeks from fully charged to phone dying. What I found is that the battery that came with the phone held its charge from 100-30% the same as the cheap batteries. Maybe a little better but nothing major, but they all did good. But when the 35-30% hit the cheap batteries drained about 3 times faster. This time difference increased the more i trained all of the batteries and took them to a full discharge. When i started it was about the same. In week 3 there was a significant difference. Now that I have a hard case I now use my stock battery for the most part, and the cheap ones are kept charged and keep them in my car so I can use them if i need them. They are well worth the price. But the effort of removing the case is all that really stopped me from using them all the time. But if that last 30% is very important to you in your phone use. Then they may not be for you, cuz after 15% you cant do much with the phone anyways.

Hope this helped some that were on the fence.
[Vibrant Accessories] pinoiryder:
The desktop charger says for For Samsung I9000.. also don't know if the one they are selling are fake or real.. at the back logo it says Made in Japan / Finished in China.. The original battery Says Made in China / Fabrique en Chine..
[Vibrant Accessories] samlot:
Thanks for your post, This helps. I ordered mine also coming from Hong Kong 2 wks ago, hopefully i'll get my batteries before my contract expires. lol
[Vibrant Accessories] remarquian:
Mine says "Made in Japan / Finished in China" in both English and French, then says "Made in Korea / Finished in China" in Spanish.

Nice, huh?
[Vibrant Accessories] heygrl:
I bought one of these, and it's noticeably lighter. I'll see how it lasts. Charging seemed really weird.
[Vibrant Accessories] samlot:
wow i got mine in 2 wks, not bad.

2 batteries "G7", charger, cigarette lighter, and usb cable for $13 bux..And it works! Yes just receiving it is a blessing but it actually works. Charger charged the G7 battery and my OEM samsung G9. The G7 batteries can be charged by connecting it to the charger, cigarette lighter and PC via USB without a problem...so time will tell on how long they last.

For $13 bux, think i already came out a winner
[Vibrant Accessories] steveruv:
is it safer and more practical to charge the batteries thru the standup charger, rather than thru the phone or it doesnt matter?

also, why would if these are similar batteries like the original battery of the Vibrant, is there a need to condition these batteries still?

one more question, can someone repost the link of the $13 chargers?

thanks!
[Vibrant Accessories] sfsilicon:
Here are some pictures of how the charger works. It shows the original G9 battery that I was charging at that time. One down side I've noticed of the charger is that it stops charging at the 90% level. So you need to top it off by plugging it into your phone and doing a final charge. Still it works well enough. I forgot to charge my phone last night so I just popped a charged battery in and left the empty one to charge.

Had the batteries for a couple of weeks now and haven't noticed any difference between the original G8 and the new ones G7. I'm guessing if there are any quality differences I'll see them in the long term 1-2 year period where they might puff sooner. It will also depend on how well I treat them and avoid full discharges.
[Vibrant Accessories] Saiboogu:
That's probably a good thing, for batteries that may get charged and sit around for long periods. Li-Ion batteries age faster at high charge levels, 80-90% is a safer max level for storage. Also lets them use a simpler charging circuit, which is probably why you're seeing it.

That is a goofy looking charger.. I assume the pins are adjustable? Interesting concept. The $13 battery pair I picked up on ebay had a different charger - fixed pins that match the battery.

Today's my first day with one of these cheap batteries, though I forgot I was testing a new one and left myself plugged in most of the morning (perk of a desk job). Even if they don't last as long, like everyone else has said -- handy to have around for spares. Now that my coworker has a Captivate I may talk him into splitting on a set for the office.
[Vibrant Accessories] samlot:
Charging your battery through the wall charger is faster than charging it via USB. Thats what i have noticed on my experience.
[Vibrant Accessories] sfsilicon:
Your correct unless you do this mod. ;) http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=774665

I would pay a bit more for a charger that you can just slide a battery into. Here you need to line up the pins for it to work (it didn't help that there were no instructions included), but if your charging different batteries for different phones I guess this design would be a plus. It was cheap ($8 w/ 2 batteries) so I'm not really complaining.
[Vibrant Accessories] MV10:
I finally received my two batteries and chargers (same thing sfsilicon posted above).

The knock-offs don't last as long, but with three of them in rotation I never have any issues. I suspect the knockoffs aren't really 1500mAh, since they recharge MUCH faster than my real Samsung battery does.

But for less than $4 delivered to my door, I'm not complaining. You can barely buy a crappy little rechargable AA for that cheap.
[Vibrant Accessories] steveruv:
what i meant was, charging batteries on the standup charger and replacing each time with a new battery that was charged from the standup charger. would that be better instead of charging it thru the phone via usb or wall charge.

i know, sounds confusing, sorry.
[Vibrant Accessories] Saiboogu:
It's hard to answer that question. It would depend on how gentle the phone's charge cycle is, compared to the charger.. Would take some study. No easy answer. My hunch is.. The phone will charge the batteries more gently than the cheap charger. May be wrong though.

For my testing report.. Whoever said the bottom of these batteries went fast wasn't kidding. I noticed my battery around 18% and it went about a percent a minute down to 5, then gave me about 30seconds of flashing 0 before powering off. I was surfing and streaming NPR.

Of course, the good side - tossed it on the charger and grabbed a fresh one. 0 to 100% in a minute is a good thing. :)

I'll give them a few weeks in rotation like this, but if they don't get a little better (not likely), they're getting retired to the glovebox for emergencies.
[Vibrant Accessories] heygrl:
drocap2 is not cool w/ that message. Does that always happen?

Yeah it's probably an 1000mAH battery. The Voltage reported is also lower than the stock battery
[Vibrant Accessories] steveruv:
thanks for the reply. ill just keep a tab on the people who bought the 2 batteries/desktop charger and then see if it sounds like i should take the dive. not that bad of a deal regardless.
[Vibrant Accessories] Saiboogu:
I hadn't watched voltage, good catch. Yeah, the drocap su message is annoying, but it can be disabled in the super user app preferences. I just forgot.
[Vibrant Accessories] MV10:
Even if they only lasted 6 hours, they'd be a deal at under $4 for two delivered.
[Vibrant Accessories] degeneration:
For future reference, mAH is milliamp hours, and it only determines how long your phone will last. The minimum mAH for a battery for our phone depends on what you think minimum should be, if minimum is to boot up, get to the home screen, and then boot back down, you probably only need about a 100mAH battery... just saying...
[Vibrant Accessories] Saiboogu:
My experience so far is that you're right on with the 6 hr estimate -- and they are a deal, also. May order a few more so I can have spares at home and work.
[Vibrant Accessories] sfsilicon:
What's the name of the app your using to get the report on this screenshot? TY.
[Vibrant Accessories] moonrock:
FYI, I got the above mentioned charger from HK with the spare batteries and the weird sliding pin charger, and the charger died in under a month. Yes, it worked for that month, but... it WAS weird a pain to get the batteries in/out of it.

I ended up finding this one when the other died:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150483369219&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

(bought from a US seller as I needed it quickly)

This one is working just as well and better only because i can just slide the battery in without messing with those stupid pins! The light on it is much better too. The white one the light ends up seeping through the entire white case (difficult to cover it up in a dark bedroom!) whereas this one it is just on the bottom of ht eblack case and you can cover it up with a piece of tape if needed;)
[Vibrant Accessories] sfsilicon:
Found this interesting auction on eBay for a replacement battery from a US seller. I guess when your in the US you need to CYA more than in China. It also gives an indication of what the potential capacity of this grey market batteries are.

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-BATTERY-SAM...377?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2309cee909

For $9 you can get the 2 batteries and a decent charger. Funny that the US sellers charge $15 for just the charger.

http://cgi.ebay.com/B10s-2-Battery-...240841?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item1c1586cfc9
[Vibrant Accessories] MV10:
Built into TW3:

Settings >> About Phone >> Battery Use

I find that Cell Standby is my biggest power-consumer by a huge margin. (Except when I'm taking a lot of calls, obviously.)
[Vibrant Accessories] sfsilicon:
Thank you. Display is my biggest at 35%, then voice calls at 28%. Cell standby is 20% and Phone Idle is 11%. Rest is 3% or lower.

Doing the lag fix helps to avoid the extra power required when programming and erasing flash.
[Vibrant Accessories] Dallas2214:
I was able to get two free batteries from tmobile for free :)
[Vibrant Accessories] darkknight49:
department of redundancy department proclaims free stuff is free.

:D
[Vibrant Accessories] samlot:
Exactly how did you do that?
[Vibrant Accessories] Dallas2214:
I just called 611 said cancel and got sent to retentions or customer loyalty whatever you want to call it... told them my phone couldnt last a whole day fully charged and that i hated that.. and then hinted them that if i had a spare battery it would make my life easier and yea... i was able to get one battery per phone forgot to mention that sorry not two for one phone.. one battery per phone..
[Vibrant Accessories] heygrl:
This spare lasts about 5 hours, not impressed.. it has to be like a 900mAh battery.
[Vibrant Accessories] steveruv:
if these batteries are the same or comparable to the vibrant's battery, then is there a need to condition these batteries?
[Vibrant Accessories] sfsilicon:
Mine lasted 8+ hours. This is the first day I monitored usage and I was careful not to plug the phone in during the day till the battery was really low.

The battery did not as long as the original G9 (10+ hours). I need to double check and make sure that the ebay battery was really fully charged.

5 hours sounds bad.

I thought you do not need to condition Lithium batteries.
[Vibrant Accessories] heygrl:
Well I took my original battery off of the charger at 5AM, and it lasted me to 20% until 2PM or so with me using it 80% of the time for all kinds of things.. the G7 knock off lasted 5 hours exactly under the same usage. The life I get with the OEM battery is worth the extra cost. $20 on eBay.
[Vibrant Accessories] sfsilicon:
Which OEM did you buy?
[Vibrant Accessories] 12paq:
Saw these cheep batteries on FeeBay weeks ago wonder if there are any left now? ;)
[Vibrant Accessories] sfsilicon:
US sellers

Anyone tried the batteries from US sellers? There are several US sellers selling batteries for the Galaxy S phones. They all seem to have "i9000" as their marking which goes to show that you most likely can get whatever you want printed on the battery. You'd expect the US sellers to be more cautious about their listings and some of the ones listed say 500mAh to 1600 mAh which either means these are 2nd pick batteries (so some could have the full 1500 mAh) or more likely CYA.

http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=sa...battery&_osacat=0&_trksid=p3286.c0.m270.l1313

The ones around $6 look like to be the same cheap knock-offs that we pay $8 for two batteries and a charger.

At the $10 mark there is a battery with a different labeling and is individually packed. I wonder if this is a better quality (close to the 1500mah) battery. It would be nice if someone could try it out. At least with a US seller you can always leave negative feedback as an incentive for a replacement or refund if the battery doesn't pan out.

Has anyone seen an Asian seller (=cheaper) of the individually packaged batteries?
[Vibrant Accessories] MV10:
Wasn't really an "estimate", I was commenting that IF that was the case... etc.

They're lasting me about 10 hours, whereas the stock battery lasts me 24 hours or more. (Obviously this can vary dramatically according to number and duration of phone calls, signal strengths, etc.)

Still worth the few bucks.

We have three of those "weird pin chargers" going in the house now and they all seem to be doing just fine. The cheapo batteries are definitely lower mAH as they recharge in only about 4-5 hours, instead of the 7-8 hours the stock battery requires.

But three bucks... can't beat it.
[Vibrant Accessories] steveruv:
went ahead and ordered these last week. since they're coming from hong kong, dont know when i will get them, but not a bad deal at all.
[Vibrant Accessories] sfsilicon:
Those look like the same G7 knock-offs that I bought for 2x with charger for $8. You getting a more user friendly and less error prone charger so it is worth the extra money. Given the reports from folks here I'd guess they will hold anywhere from 500-1200mAh.

It would be great if we could find a cheaper source for a close to OEM capacity battery. Those G7s are not it, unless they eventually improve the quality. We need folks to try the US sellers where you can get them to do a refund or discount if your battery proves to be less than what they put in their ads.
[Vibrant Accessories] Kubernetes:
I did the same thing. Told them my battery life was terrible. The agent walked me through their checklist and then shipped me a new battery. I got an external charger and one of those cheap batteries and now I have three batts in rotation--Nice!
[Vibrant Accessories] steveruv:
Received my 2 batteries, wall charger from Hong Kong. 2 G7 batteries. I'll post results up after a few rounds of testing.
[Vibrant Accessories] Kubernetes:
I bought a charger and battery from an Ebay US seller for $14. It was a bit more expensive than some of the HK sellers, but the shipping was fast (from California).

The battery is an unbranded G7... and it seems to perform about the same as my other two G9s. I don't see any difference in battery life with it. The charger is nice, but I notice that if I try to charge a battery and use the USB port, no go. The phone starts acting wonky.
[Vibrant Accessories] SamsungVibrant:
Umm you guys do know these ebay batteries are not Original Samsung batteries right? They are fake knock offs made to look real.

Also chances are your friend with the stand alone retail shop is also selling fake batteries.
[Vibrant Accessories] makeitgoboom:
I've also purchased the 2 batteries plus charger "deal", so far one battery dies at around 60 percent. The other one is holds the charge ok..at least for now.. I don't trust these batteries at all.
[Vibrant Accessories] Kubernetes:
It wouldn't surprise me if many of these batteries are made in the same factory as branded Samsung batteries. I have a generic G7 and it performs identically to my official branded batteries. They look nearly identical, the only difference being the lack of the "Samsung" name.
[Vibrant Accessories] heygrl:
These batteries are garbage like most of the aftermarket batteries. Probably 900mAH, my battery drains SO fast when it gets low. Other people getting batts that don't hold a charge? trash
[Vibrant Accessories] Kubernetes:
I guess I just lucked out then. I did buy mine from a U.S. seller (not HK), so maybe that was the difference.
[Vibrant Accessories] steveruv:
i bought the ones from hong kong, 2 batteries, wall charger, cig adapter, etc.

didnt really "condition" the batteries. fully charged both then let it die down and charged again and that was it.

avg day of phone use:

2 hrs total phone

2, 2 1/2 hrs music

2 hrs internet, amazon kindle

50-60 texts a day

got about 9-10 hrs, with roughly 20% left. no biggie since I can just change the batteries when needed when the other 2 are charged.

not really a heavy user on the phone but this works fine with me.
[Vibrant Accessories] zcline:
Got mine from HK and I can't tell the difference on battery life. I'd say it was worth the money.
[Vibrant Accessories] Master™:
It's kinda funny when you can't tell the diff between knockoffs & the real deal.

I might just have to get a few for when I go on vacation again & have no charger :D
[Vibrant Accessories] iynfynity:
Bought a non authentic battery but not in the samsung vibrant. It grows bigger after a long time. After that i don't buy those things anymore
[Vibrant Accessories] scrizz:
it grows bigger!???

anyways, since I let go of a vibrant, I no longer need my 2 batteries + charger.

anyone interested in buying them from me?

pm
[Vibrant Accessories] MBIER:
you have tmobile just call them and tell them your current battery has swelling all they do is send a replacement they dont even check so when the battery arrives you have two for free and they dont want a bad battery back so they say throw it away but since there wasnt anything wrong with it you got an extra battery for the price of on the house lol
[Vibrant Accessories] iynfynity:
i wanted to do this because the original battery is ****ing expensive!!
[Vibrant Accessories] Mouahmong:
I have 3 spare batteries and found that I didn't really need the spares other than convenience for the weekend and vacations. I have Juice Defender giving me 1.81x more juice.

Here is an example of my daily usage:

Screen on: ~3.5 hours (regular 3g web browsing/facebook/twitter/etc.)

Talking on the phone: ~3.3 hours

Texting: ~800-1000 texts

Music: 1.5-2 hours

Phone usually lasts for ~13-15 hours based on this use.

Last note. The generic G7's depreciate over time. After a month and a half my G7's are almost useless now. From 100%-60% they hold about the same amount of juice. But from 0%-59% it dies within 30min. Just call T-Mobile and have them send you another OEM one.
[Vibrant Accessories] bomix:
/\ Another hmong person alright!

I ordered ebay 2 batteries, should be here soon.. Can't wait, wow.. is Tmobile really that great that they would send you OEM batteries.. Sprint has gotta get on the ball.
[Vibrant Accessories] 2000nits:
I got this deal about 2 months ago, the batteries and charger are awesome. takes around 5 hours to charge a battery from 0% to full, I can not tell the difference from stock battery, same performance and battery life. And really nice to carry 2 spares with me at all times.
[Vibrant Accessories] cikerd91:
yes, t-mobile will send you a stock replacement within 3 months of getting the phone. same goes for the charger if you need an extra one
[Droid X Themes and Apps] showson1:
OK, Since Root is out I just rooted my phone and installed the Wifi Tether app (avaiable in the market) and it works like a charm.

Have a friend with an iPhone and she was able to connect right up and get online.

Gotta' love root.. ;)
[Droid X Themes and Apps] BB2DX:
Recent convert

I am a recent cover from blackberry to android. One thing I am interested in is rooting. It seems like it us a must to get everything out of the phone... However it also seems much more complicated than loading a beta os on a bb. Can you point me to a good, step by step instruction site on rooting my X. I'm not a "geek" or anything close. I just want to get everything I can out of these devices. Also, does the app you mention work with all macs? I noticed a lot of apps only work with pcs.
[Droid X Themes and Apps] Zaphod-Beeblebrox:
+1 and confirmed. Rooted and Tethered myself this morning.

WiFi tether is of course OS agnostic. It sets your phone up as an access point.

Other apps are USB or possibly Bluetooth tethering, and that might require a client side app.

to Root:

http://www.droid-life.com/2010/07/23/videos-how-to-root-the-droid-x/
[Droid X Themes and Apps] BB2DX:
Thanks for the help. if i understand correctly, the app would allow for wifi hotspot without paying the$ 20. Fee to vzw?
[Droid X Themes and Apps] Zaphod-Beeblebrox:
Yes.

The "legality" (Violates TOS, etc) is another matter.
[Droid X Themes and Apps] BB2DX:
Ok.

I've looked at the sites explaining the rooting process and I think I get it. The crackberry community was great about providing support to people who wanted to do more. So far the android community seems on part with that, just need a rooting and android/linux for dummies site. Its a lot more technical than the bb os.
[Droid X Themes and Apps] Zaphod-Beeblebrox:
The "hardest" part of this will be setting up the Android SDK and making sure adb works properly.

This is my sort-of first Android phone (I had the Droid 1 on launch day, but took it back), so much of this is new to me too. I do have some minor linux experience, which helps, but I just followed the video link I posted step for step and had no problems.
[Droid X Themes and Apps] BB2DX:
The problem is, I don't know what android sdk or adb mean. That's why i'm not rushing into rooting. I am scared to brick this device. I love it (except for 8 hour charge on battery. But coming from a bb I should expect not to get the same two days) and am afraid of making a mistake due to lack of knowledge.
[Droid X Themes and Apps] grdm:
gonna post the info from http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=7334641&postcount=9 here again just in case u guys dont end up to see it

Here is a few things to keep in mind..

The Verizon 3G app is infrastructure, thus it works with things like PSP and Nintendo DS, which is why i keep it. The Wireless tether apps are only ad-hoc for now.

From what ive been told, the verizon app loads a different firmware in the wi chip before running.

this is why i ONLY use the hot app for PSP and DS and the rest wi-t for root

Hope this helps
[Droid X Themes and Apps] Zaphod-Beeblebrox:
You are wise to want to read all you can before jumping in.

Android SDK is the 'Software Development Kit'. It's the tools/drivers from Google that allow direct interaction with your android phone. While ostensibly intended for developers, it is the tool you will need.

ADB = Android Debug Bridge. It's a tool that comes with the SDK. It's a command line shell that allows you to push/pull files directly to the phone as well as open a shell (android is just a mini/modified version of linux - hence needing to get 'root' to be able to modify system related files).

Here is a link to a tutorial on how to take screen shots on the Droid X.

This is another thing that can be done with the SDK, so the important part of this tutorial is getting the SDK installed.

http://www.droid-life.com/2010/07/22/how-to-take-screenshots-with-the-droid-x/

Hope that helps.
[Droid X Themes and Apps] mavermc:
could have sworn DS and psp could connect to adhocs just fine, i know the wii can.
[Droid X Themes and Apps] twigster:
I've tried this with my nintendo wii. It finds the access point justice fine, but won't actually connect. Does anyone have any clues of possible setup corrections necessary?

I'm using the sapphire 32b.
[Droid X Themes and Apps] grdm:
no dice, trust me on that.. they can do ad-hoc if they are doing multiplayer gaming with other ds or psp units but not to go online
[Droid X Themes and Apps] aplechaty:
What to do

OK i hope to wifi tether as well. What is the process to set this up and what apps specifically do I need to get once I get my droid x? Thanks in advance.