yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ruianast:
i agree but...

i agree with you, but this guy is asking for help do do a certain task.

I second you on your idea but there are people that would prefer to have a win mo. phone running android even if it runs slower or worst because some people just dont like wm. software.

By the way i cant help you jmztaylor because i just dont know... :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jojo_angelov:
well running android from sd card creates higher battery consumption. Am I right? this is a good argument.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] zarathustrax:
Yeah, that is true. Reading about the nand ports for other winmo devices show that battery is improved, but it still isn't no where near as good as winmo is with batteries. Power management is one of the issues that almost all android ports have.

At this point, i don't believe nand flashing is possible for the hd2... like i said, they need winmo to initialize many things. Also, once it is possible to flash nand, it probably won't have as much working hardware as the haret version until they get drivers that initialize all that hardware. If you look at some of the other nand flashable ports on other phones, things like wifi, bluetooth, camera, gps, etc don't work while they work when you use the haret bootable version. We're still a long way away from booting from nand... at least a version functional enough to want to get rid of winmo.

I'm really curious as to what peoples reason is to want a nand flashable version so bad.... I've heard people say that winmo is still running in the background with haret, but thats just not true. You generally have a much more functional android when run of storage card than the nand flashable ports are. There may be a small increase in battery life and small increase in speed when flashed to nand, but you will lose a lot of functions until they find ways to initialize the hardware without winmo. And from what i've seen with the hd2 ports so far, I don't think we will have any issues with speed like they did with other devices, so I don't see nand being needed to increase speed.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jjblaster3:
cmon people, lets support the motion.. remember we are dealing with one of the best htc-winmo devices here, the one of a kind htc-hd2..

for me the point is not "what is the need of doing this", the point is "it can be done :D"

maybe one shouldnt rush to start flashing android on hd2, thats why alpha and beta versions are made, where one understands the risks but does it anyways for the fun experience.. n remember this is just the beginning of android on hd2, i think there is room for a whole lot of improvement
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] random_username_:
why dont we just have it running from internal memory without flashing? it would solve the speed and battery problems and we would still get to keep winmo :D. or is there a reason this cannot happen?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] kilrah:
Well, knowing that android builds (system and user data) take about 530MB, it would be a tad hard to stuff in the HD2's 512MB, of which about 300 are used by Winmo...

Maybe on the 1GB TMOUS though....
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] hoss_n2:
but most of us have the 512 mb version
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jlavoie:
i would be interested in getting android stored on the device memory (Not a ROM flash). NRGZ28 released a winmo version that is very small (50 or 60MB) leaving me with 800Mb+ of internal storage. what must be changed to get HaRET to look in internal storage for the files and store information there?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] MYKEE92:
This should be a very good discussion..btw ive been running off of sd card for a while now and battery consumption isn't that bad at all;)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] cavemaneca:
As far as I see it, a major problem is for any non TMOUS HD2 owners an SD card will always be mandatory. Even if you are able to fit the whole system into the half sized NAND, there wouldn't be much room left for anything else.

And even on the TMOUS, it would be good to put Android and the Apps on internal memory, and have everything else on the storage card, like pics and such.

Main reasons I see for doing this, is once it's working a version that doesn't need to use WinMo can boot faster, and might be able to solve some issues eventually, like not needing a specific file in WinMo or specific ROM just to get calls working correctly.

As well, It gets annoying when even with bootloader it takes longer to boot back up, and I still sometimes get a voicemail or text message while HaRET is loading, and I have to reset, boot windows mobile, remove CLRCAD, reboot, and check the voicemail and texts. If I don't clear it in WinMo, sometimes I get a voicemail message notification every time I boot android even if I don't have any voicemail.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] MYKEE92:
agreed..then maybe after studying the 1gig version they can find a solution for the 512 version
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Senor_Roboto:
Battery life isnt great on current builds but it is usable. Much of the issue is due to it being an a sd card. Once they put it on nand, battery life will be even better. As good as winmo? You never know until you try.

I dont get why people are all too ready to rain on someones parade. I say, if there is a possibility of making android boot on this thing, why not try it? WinMo is dying, some of want to jump ship and take our hd2s with us.

It seems that getting nand to run is a priority to devs. Check out the first 7/23 post at http://robsbay.co.uk/

These guys have been making a port much faster than others have anticipated. According to doom-sayers, we shouldnt have been at this point for another few months at least. Im willing to bet this thing will be booting on its own and running efficiently well before the doom-sayers would have expected us to even have this thing running on a sd card.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Beefheart:
- Reliability

- Speed

- Battery life.

- Access to memory card as a removable device while Android booted.

Even a class 10 card can't compare to the speed of the internal nand.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] willgill:
I completely agree. As others have noted, the main issue is initializing hardware. As an interim step to 100% Android, why not build an extremely slim WinMo with Android cooked into the NAND ROM.

I'm using desire v5 with latest Cotulla zImage it's pretty fast even off of a class 2 microSD. I really think my HD2 would be just as fast as my wife's EVO if the same thing were on the NAND.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] t69broken:
nand boot tmous

any tmous user actually copy all of the files over to their phone's memory and try and boot haret? Or would this be detrimental to the life your WM phone?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Sheraz150:
I am a T-Mobile HD2 user and I think flashing from NAND would have many benefits. Lets do it up.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Leader2light:
I am a T-Mobile HD2 use and this is great because we can boot both winmo and android from the nand, which is insane. All the non US users want to shut this down, because they are left out.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] t69broken:
so have you booted it from the nand with your hd2?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] pack21:
OMG!! NAND IS OUT!!!

THEY DID IT!!

PS: Testing a view...

I'm seeing what I would feel, when I saw for the first time, this phrase written in XDA.:D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] voiceofid:
http://twitter.com/CotullaCode/status/24865978192
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Moon2:
Dude.... that was harsh... I half believed it when I was scrolling down and saw just the top bit ...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] roman26:
Happy as well :D :eek: , when we will be able to download it?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] pack21:
lol

Just God knows.

PS: God = Cotulla

:D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] roman26:
The wait is so long, i almost get rid of hd2, but todays news gave me some more hope :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] pack21:
Is a tremendous mistake at this point, for anyone who has an HD2, exchange to buy another Device, when in 2011, will begin showing the dual-core 2Ghz.

Desire HD is good, but for those, who dont have at this moment any, top device.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] voiceofid:
would be a big mistake right now, a lot of other rom cooks have moved from other devices on the hd2, biggest migration i see so far is the mytouch slide to hd2 migration, i've even seen a few move from evos and nexi
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] pack21:
Really? from EVO and Nexus, here in PT i saw a few from Desire.

They are amazed with the moding, which has been done in HD2, and see that we have two OS....but from Evo, is really need to have nuts!!

and other old devices, obviously.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] sorin129:
switching form Nexus One (maybe)

I love my Nexus One and I love Android But I'm buying now the HD2 because of the bigger screen, and I want to see if I like the way Android is running on it. If I'm able to run Android on it as smooth or close as it runs on my Nexus One then I'm selling my Nexus one ( and for more money that I paid for HD2)

Ps. Nexus One rooted is a great phone ( so fast and smooth) and it has everything I want in a phone execpt the screen size :(
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] pack21:
Yeap! like most everyone here, buy a HD2, for the huge screen, is allmost a Net Tablet, big, fast and the WM like a PC usage.:D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] roman26:
The reason iam keeping hd2 , only to flash it with android. And tell you a truth i will do it without hesitation and regret :cool:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] sorin129:
@Pack21

I have no interest in WM
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] icsulescu:
Good News

On twiter

CotullaCode: Okay, it's September. Nand developing is going pretty well, I believe our team will release first NAND based Android ROM soon for LEO :-)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] deadey3:
OMG yessssssssssss android on hd2 = awsome
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] norpan111:
"Jizzed in my pants"
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] songokussm:
Your not the only one :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] whynot66:
Ha ha I literally posted in the market to sell my hd2 yesterday and then read thus Twitter, don't really see the point of getting the desirehd now,

I'll assume that well still be able to run haret and then we can test various builds from SD before we flash.

Exciting stuff :-)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] pack21:
News from irc today

:D:p
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Jammie_1989:
Unless your buying second hand just get the desire hd almost same phone native android and better spec. If your taking out a new contract you would be stupid not to wait an extra month.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jonboyuk:
Bloody hell, Cotulla is a freaking legend!!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] pack21:
updat irc 12.00ETA

Nand is going very well...:D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] 00Nuclear00:
It would be nice to see a bootmanager like the pc ones, with a tribleboot wm,android and ubuntu.

Would it possible to get win mobile and android in the nand? (only a theoretic question) How much mb have our hd2 nand?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] pack21:
they are trying that....:D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Jammie_1989:
Great news but as soon as Adroid is available on NAND on its own wont be going back to winmo :D I use it for nothing :D might even try ubuntu on the sd card at some point :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] figtab:
my name is all over that post :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] roman26:
Pack21, where you get all these logs?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] pack21:
here, but dont login, to not disturb the devs, just refresh and see what they are talking.:D

http://irclog.netripper.com/?chan=htc-linux&msgonly=1
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] roman26:
но вориз - no worries, thanks
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] sorin129:
well

Well even if I wait, the desire hd is not going to work with Tmobile 3g so who knows when Tmobile is going to have a 4.3 inch phone with Android. So I'm going to try the HD2 with android and if it runs smooth than i sell my Nexus one...... Oh and I'm not taking out a new contract .........I just bought one of ebay for $250
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] TheInVisibleGoD:
At IRC channel... :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Jammie_1989:
Fair enough mate get one then :D i just wish my screen has 16m colours :( looks pants next to other new phone screens
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Jammie_1989:
I can't even find a way to log into the chat LMAO I had an idea but its been done now :D so no need to inform anyone :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] white-energy:
So he's not a developer nor a tester he just downloaded it from cotulla's page
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jan-willem3:
But he has no password so:D

Don't worry:D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] appoggio:
I'm starting to get very anxious about that... I'm not using winmo anymore due to the speed and appeal of Android on HD2... I thought these days to switch to a Desire HD but... if a NAND will arrive... well... I'll keep my HD2 very tight!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] kaymado:
What about flashing the HD2 with Android and running WM from the SD card? hehehehe
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] qingcai:
never heard of anybody can run wm on sdcard from any machine. wm is not open source , from my understanding, don't even dream about it. you ask for too much.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] juggs:
He can dream about it if he likes. I dream about Megan Fox even though I know it won't happen. :rolleyes:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] elmonch:
It seems cotulla´s betatesters already has the flash ROM

It´s just a matter of time

:)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] malias4:
how come u know that ? anyway i think we are close to that !!

good job from all the devs :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] adamvanner:
He's clearly joking! ;)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] juanzho11:
IRC-Linux chat, they talk about it but the have encounter some problems so no eta yet. Hopefully soon :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] wawa144st:
can you post the link i would like to read up on it to please
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jibbz:
this is a noob question...i have searched useing the search but couldnt find the answer to this question... so i wanted to know what exactlly is NAND?

sorry if its a dumb qestion
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] DaviD202:
the phones inner memory ;)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] appoggio:
I'm really starting to get anxious :D

Cotulla you have the destiny of my HD2 in your hands :D:D:D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Richy99:
the internal memory that the operating system runs off, think of it like your computers hard drive
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] BoterKlontje:
Probably this channel(though I am not sure, didn't keep track):

irclog.netripper.com/?chan=htc-linux&day=22
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] sorin129:
Can't wait

I'm going to sell my Nexus One if Android is running good on HD2 (jus bought an HD2 and going to istall Android on it to see how it runs on sd card in till the nand comes out)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] fig_jam_uk:
This will be "FULL OF WIN" when this happens, its so fast now, imagine when its running of NAND :eek:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] cbmm:
lol. ive been flashing roms for almost two years now and i have never seen this much action. i must admit that i do love some android on my HD2
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jamieeeee:
Its comming soon guys :D

From the bottum of http://htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Leo/Magldr

Niceeee :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] blackwalker:
start counting:

-23:59:59 sec..

-23:59:58 sec..

-23:59:57 sec..

-23:59:56 sec..

:D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] motoman234:
Wow, thanks for the killer news.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] 1999TL:
damn I shouldnt' have read this early.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] pack21:
WHATs UP??

i

dont see nothing

, in HTC LUNIX site......
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] motoman234:
Read the bottom of the link above^^

Edit: Nevermind, it looks like they took that post down. I dont blame them, simply because if they were an hour late then people would start harassing them asking for an ETA. But @pack21, they were saying that the first NAND release is complete and its going to be ready within 24 hours.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] radee85:
Initial NAND development is officially finished and will be released to the public within 24 hours (24/09/10). Please be patient and please understand that this will be an alpha build so as always proceed with caution. :)

__________________

PHONE HTC-HD2 (1024)

ANDROID ROM: mattc Leo + Froyo w/Sense 1.8

RADIO:2.14.50.04

WinMo ROM:RUU_Leo_HTC_WWE_1.66.405.2
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] earhog:
What is the link or information to donate to Cotulla and Company?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] pyckvi:
lol i know what u mean. now i cant wait!!! im so glad that its so much closer! thanks for all the hard work cotulla and everybody else :-)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] byrdman443:
That statement was a fluke. somebody got on the site and added that sentence without permission. If you look through the history of the wiki page it was up and in no time they took it down. Who ever did it was too dumb to delete the sentence that says "No release date is known as of yet" So please guys lets not start a huge rumor.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] blackwalker:
*sigh*

reverse counting:

-23:59:56 sec..

-23:59:57 sec..

-23:59:58 sec..

-23:59:59 sec...............

lol :rolleyes::D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] whynot66:
Doh, gutted lol :-)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] idevmag:
Checked IRC log and found that NAND is not yet finished. It will not release in 24 hours. NAND still need good amount of time to reach to the public.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] andrews83:
From Cotulla's Twitter:

I want to inform anybody, information at htc-linux-wiki in "Leo/Magldr" is not official and contains a lot of bull****. don't trust it.

About development.I am working on usbflash now.Users need flash MAGLDR.nbh and then use DFTAndroidInstaller,because SPL can't flash yaffs2.

I think that we're waiting for...:rolleyes:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] hd945157206:
where download MAGLDR.nbh and DFTAndroidInstaller ?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] lucian777:
Not ready yet...be patient.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] thatruth132:
http://twitter.com/CotullaCode
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Sab3elbromba:
Damn I'm so excited about the approach of the NAND version I can hardly wait, I'm getting goosebumps :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Shum97:
lol.......
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Don001:
"About development.I am working on usbflash now.Users need flash MAGLDR.nbh and then use DFTAndroidInstaller,because SPL can't flash yaffs2."

Ok im not very familiar with the terms used so correct me if im wrong, magldr is what nand is going to run off? so we are going to have to flash magldr.nbh via activesync while running wm65 like we do when installed a custom rom? and im presuming dftandroidinstaller is a software which is going to be installed in our computer and then we run the android .exe?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] orangekid:
MAGLDR is basically the new bootloader that will replace our SPL and DFTAndroidInstaller will be kinda like the RUU that we are currently using to flash ROMs with to get Android via yaffs2 on our devices.

so yeah you basically have the right idea.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Don001:
Thanks, I'm starting to get the picture, so the rom and dftandroidinstaller will be together and all you do is run the dft to flash the rom into the device and magdlr is just a replacment for the hspl we have right now to install custom roms. so whats the story behind yaffs2?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] orangekid:
yaffs2 is an open source filesystem supported by windows CE and Linux. It literally stands for "yet another flash file system" and the 2 is the second variant based on yaffs1 but I think it supports larger pages on chips.

Basically it's just an alternate filesystem that interacts with the hardware and NAND easier from what I know, I am not completely familiar with it though, I've had very limited experience with it.

that's the gist of it.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Don001:
Ok thanks, finally understand what its about, guess just have to wait and read the IRC logs and wait for updates on when the first nand will be released. correct me if im wrong with ive read that they are working on froyo 2.2 as the nand, hope a desire hd rom turns nand as im currently using that and its awesome, in one week, only one freeze :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] orangekid:
yeah I think he is doing a Nexus 2.2 as the first NAND, once the system is in place porting all the ROMs should be easy. The bootloader is the hard part, and frankly I'm amazed he can code a bootloader without bricking 12 HD2s unless he's got a JTAG or something.

I can't seem to get market to work on the Desire HD ROM, but that was the first release of beta 2 and maybe there's an updated zimage or settings. I think I'll wait for a beta3 or more stable build before I start using it, especially because my download of Hyperdroid 1.6 just finished and I am psyched about it!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] shure2:
what is the feasibility of getting the desire hd rom on the hd2 nand? will it fit or is it too big?