yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] thatruth132:
damn im not the only one then lmao...dude i got all the way to loggin in but cant see what i write ..but..

all in all i do get confused at times with what device they are talking about but i am sure they are speaking of the hd2 and thanks for clearing up the testing thingy
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Mik0:
It is..quit denying :D

I get annoyed just reading the logs...I can imagine the devs :rolleyes:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] M..N:
no problem, i get confused when they ask for the server address lol, ah well least they have logs, according to the logs, wifi is working on some sd cards but not others
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] M..N:
i can honestly say that i am not MN, i just like to read and try to understand what is going one :P
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] thatruth132:
thats funny as h3ll
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Jammie_1989:
:DIf everything is infact working now hopefully we will get a NAND release ASAP. I think I want it so much because I don't have it lol now to fix the issue of PPP and battery life becuase 10 hours sucks :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mattfmartin:
I don't know. You don't see to many people walking around with the name MN. Pretty weird coincidence
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] thatruth132:
i would take nand wifi or not
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] M..N:
look i know its a coincidence but im really not MN from the IRC.:)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] lonelykatana:
I dont understand that!

If we are booting from nand, then surely we wouldn't even need an SD card in the device? :confused:

Im probably just missing something huge! Ill just stick to java development thanks :rolleyes:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] thatruth132:
the thing i am seeing is they say that you can only fit so much on nand so they 'i guess are leaving some files on sd card to boot from '
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Beretta93:
As long as you're not that cookpoo moron...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Nafi33:
Lol 10 hours? What are you using dude?

Here I'm using VBN Rom with 2.12 radio and M-deejays Evo sense build.

See screenshot below, used >20 hours and still 62% left.

Notice that it wasn't heavy usage.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] M..N:
nope not that guy either :) i just read i dont go on
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] orangekid:
doesn't make sense for an HD2, 512 ROM should be enough, and for TMOUS users, there's no way this would take more than 1gb ROM
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mattfmartin:
That's bull****. Unless you got an ext. battery.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] lonelykatana:
I dissagree! Im getting a about 10 hours with fairly heavy use... (allot of wifi, and about an hour video streaming!)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mattfmartin:
Yes 10 hours is different than 20hrs and still have 62%
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] krunalkp:
i agree... i m having the same setup... works gr8 ...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Beretta93:
I disagree. With some builds, I had like 1% drop per hour. So 62% after 20h idle, I see no contradiction in that.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] HectiQ:
lol I once got 112 hrs out of it :D charging in winmo and then after load android ^^

seriously, with heavy usage 6-10 hrs max, with normal use, 24 hrs. :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] TheATHEiST:
Sorry if this is a dumb question but ive read that you need to flash to nand from linux?

Does that mean we need to hook up via USB to a linux OS or do you mean that the bootloader or whatever is on the phone is linux?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ThaDeanesta:
Removed...Secrets must remain secrets ;P...

Anyhow, the outputted file was 0kb 0b and whatnot.. i got excited ;D lol
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] motoman234:
I just flashed it and it bricked my phone, you owe me a new one! :o:(:p
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jelliottz:
Seriously? Let them do their work. It will be complete soon enough. Why would you want to piss someone off who helps us for free?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] the_scotsman:
I sincerely hope this is a joke...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] maseo:
IDIOT, remove the password from your post man.

You're just giving out the tool for alloooooooooooooooooooooooot of people who are gonna get pissed and/or brick their phone and blame it on the devs for not finishing it perfectly..

act smart and if you want people to know the password, ask them to PM you.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] the_scotsman:
To be sure, I tried, and the password he gave doesn't work, luckily...I think he was maybe just having a joke, or being sarcastic? At least I hope he was...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Nafi33:
Like others have already mentioned, it isn't bull****.

Just try it yourself.

Ontopic: I guess NAND release will arrive very soon, let's (try to) be patient :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ThaDeanesta:
magldr.nbh popped out on my mac... however, i just realized it's 0 kilobites...0bites... lol
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] fig_jam_uk:
From what I can guess. It sounds like the wifi doesn't initialize quick enough, but with the slower stock (class 2) cards it has time to do so. They mention about adding a 5 second break, this is probably to allow the wifi to initialize (using class4 and above) before continuing boot.

But hey maybe im wrong. :rolleyes:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] eenbox:
I feel that NAND port version has been promptly stopped for some reason... everything seems to be way to quite and we're in October almost 1 week...

On another end, rumor has it that "the crew" is starting to work on MeeGo port for HD2... why not finish NAND? Can someone re-assure me somehow NAND is still on the way?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] steven1234:
yeah I'd lay money on nand not coming out this year which will come close to making it irrelevant.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] steven1234:
I hear all this (in other threads) about nand being done just having wifi errors... I'd take a nand boot without wifi as long as 3G works well.. I don't get it its not like they didn't release SD card android before it was full featured.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Beretta93:
Wifi problem has apprently been solved. But the thing delaying realease right now are the pricks coming on HTC_linux irc chat and messing with dev's collaboration by trolling and even insulting them.

So guys, right now, our beloved HD2 can't get its NAND coz of some stupid morons who can't help pulling some ****ty pranks to the guys in charge of the project, at our expense...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] richteralan:
great can't wait for Meego!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] zarathustrax:
They have not been working on nand for that long. Relax and wait... it will come when its ready and they want to release it. These things take time to work all the bugs out. They probably don't even use the irc channel to do most talking and developing anymore because of everybody from these forums going in them now, so don't think that you are hearing everything that's going on just because you watch the irc chats.

Nand will come eventually. It's not like we can't use android without it, so be patient. It took a whole lot longer to get it working on the vogue or kaiser, so be happy with the great devs we have for the hd2 and all that they're accomplishing. They don't owe us anything, so don't be upset because they're not updating you every step of the way. Not hearing anything for a week or a month even doesn't mean they're not working on it.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] steven1234:
nobody is upset with the devs (well mostly not there are a couple immature people here) I'm just commenting that if a T-mobile 4.3" android native phone comes out before android is working well (and nand is pretty much needed to make it more hassle free) this project becomes almost irrelevant in the US. It's like releasing a sweet new mod for a cassette player after everyone else already has CDs.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Apache0c:
The way I understand it is that Rajkosto made a program to run from the Linux bootloader on the phone. It just moves the SD card install over to Nand memory. It is not the same as the Nand flash program that Cotulla is building to run on windows and load Android directly onto the Nand memory. And I dont think Rajkosto is even releasing his program to the public but I'm not sure. I may be wrong about all of this but that is just what I've gathered with my limited knowledge.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] krat0s123:
you know.. i hate to say this, but i think you're right.. i still appreciate all the devs work though.. i don't think that we can thank them enough for all their hard work.. still crossing my fingers that the nand and all the kinks will be sorted out before our HD2 becomes obsolete, or finishing the project becomes irrelevant..
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] slimster:
for me personally, i don't think getting nand on hd2 will ever be irrelevant because i will be using this phone for a while and whether it is the first 4:3 to have android or not i am still anxious. i know some people want to be the first but some of us just want the ability to boot directly into android; it's not about bragging rights to be able to say they were the first but it's about usability.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ganjaweed:
ummmmh a polite way of saying....... "HURRY UP!" lol
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mstrk242:
Guys you seem to be missing a major detail here. If they release a build off sdcard that doesn't work, no harm done just reboot, or pull the battery.

On the other hand, if they don't fully test and finish the nand before releasing there will be a lot of bricked hd2's. Just be patient everyone it'll get released when its done.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] hellbleazer:
Just to remember to everyone... It's a FREE upgrade for our HD2 so stop saying that's just like modding a stupid old player... Our HD2 is working better on Android than a looooot of phone released this last months... With the nand release, be sure that our phone will rocks !
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] slimster:
exactly; in case anyone has forgotten go ahead and flash a wm rom and use it for a couple days and you will see how android has brought a new life to the hd2. master devs take your time and release it when you feel confident.....don't let a few idiots ruin it for the rest of us. thanks for all your hard work
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] enneract:
Honestly... I think smartphones are reaching, perhaps have reached, the point where hardware upgrades, while significant, won't matter very much.

Having used a G2 and HD2... The only slowness with the HD2 is consistent with SDcard access times, imo.

So, I think even if T-mo releases the next generation of android native phones, I doubt any will match the form factor of the HD2, and I think any community dev on the HD2 will remain relevant for quite some time.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mattfmartin:
I totally agree.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] songokussm:
I also agree. xda was the entire reason I bought the hd2. It looks like the devs are planning a lot with this device. Check out that boot loader screen shot.

The hd2 Its like how the forums exploded when the g1 came out. And are still going strong.

bottom line is, by annoying the devs, you make them not want to work. Im not a fan of cats, so let the kittens die! however i am a fan of breathing life into my toys.

Thanks guys.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mattfmartin:
I didn't even know about xda until the hd2 came out. So in a sense I got blessed with 2 gifts.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] tomguyz:
Is the NAND is out for the HD2 ...... using the build when get system updates it will reboot to winmo ......

hope to have NAND to replace my winmo ROM
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] TheProfiteer:
Another 2 reasons why the HD2 will also be favorable over the HTC ACE with NAND Flash Android.

1. You can buy a Used but in good condition HD2 on CL for under 300, easy.

2. Web2Go 9.99 works on it. I am guessing as with the Vibrant, it will not work on the HTC ACE
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] fig_jam_uk:
This thread has gone terribly quiet. Is there somthing i dont know?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] rr5678:
No. You will know when the NAND version of Android comes out.

I had to say this: Great job on that signature :p
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] zat0x:
yes the nand release had been canceled :mad:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Beretta93:
There are STILL having issues with wifi right now, Cotulla has dropped the case to other dev since everything works for him. He's on Meego right now. Gauner1986 is working on WIFI with several types of SD cards...

BE PATIENT GUYS.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] eghoti1:
finally a legit update :) thank you.:D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Apache0c:
How does the SD card affect the wifi on a nand boot rom?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] lonelykatana:
Why lie?

What possible benefit do you get out of lying through your teeth?

You see the little X in the corner? Click it if your going to post bs.

(yes, you've caught me on a bad day)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] karendar:
That's what I'd like to know! I just ordered an 8GB Class 6 to replace the 16GB which comes with the HD2 (Probably borked, which is why I'm replacing it) and I'm hoping it won't affect anything.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mobi:
Have you seen the thread about getting a free 16gb class 4 from HTC as a replacement for the 16GB class 2 that were possibly defective when shipped with the HD2?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] zarathustrax:
It's only a class 2 they replace it with, and its not really a recall or new announcement like its been being talked about. It's something they've always done... of the card is defective, then HTC will send you a new one. It was always able to be done, just now someone posted it like its a special deal and everyone's been jumping on it calling them and its spread into this big thing. Now I hear that since they've suddenly been getting a surge of calls about it, they are catching on and it is getting more difficult to do. They are starting to deny replacements to people. It depends on the person you get when you call.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Beretta93:
For multiboot from both NAND/SD obviously, not sure.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] sp33dy_gtx:
Do you think they lose precious time reading what noobs like me say? No way they work and like us losing time. But they have lifes like we have and so on. I have htc desire still day battery. (no mobile internet here on cosmote rom if somebody has settings for wnw pm me) . Thx and nothing else .
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mobi:
I asked and they specifically told me that they were replacing with class 4 so I guess I'll wait and see what arrives.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jetsetwilly:
Made me laugh anyhoo. :cool:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] TheATHEiST:
So has cotulla abandoned nand project then?

Why announce it to everybody, get everybody worked up just to say "meh cant be bothered, starting something else now"

Was getting exited about this nand project and now looks like it will never happen.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] squish099:
No cotulla hasn't stopped developing nand for hd2 he's still adding and making changes to magldr.. just be patient..

Sent from my HTC Vision HD2
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mskip:
Calm down ur going to work yourself up (and others) :)

Beretta never said cotulla had abandoned the project he simply said that since cotulla has everything working on his phone so theres not much more he can do right now. There are other members of the team that are still working on fixing Wifi so it can then hopefully be finished off and released to everyone.

I had no objections with this thread as it served for people who wanted to have a chat and voice their opinions but if inocent comments are going to be misunderstood and start a mass hysteria then the thread will no longer be viable.

Calm down, be patient and it will be done when its done.

Mark.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Beretta93:
Cotulla has finished his part. He's achieved something awesome with MAGLDR and now it's time to let the community deal with minor issues (though he's still helping), so they can work by themselves on kernels, builds...Now he's already working his ass of on bringing new wonders to our phones whit meego, and yet you blame him?

So pay the guy some respect please. Nobody pays him a wage for what he does. What's more, we owe him android on HD2, even its current state, so even if he suddenly said "I'm done with this project screw everybody", we should still thank him, and considering the number of useless trolls messing with him on HTC_Linux all day long, I wouldn't blame him.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Ramius71:
If people could follow the IRC chatlog with open mind they would see very clearly whats going on. They (the devs) are working their a.s of to fix the nand, and they have little more way to go before its ok. If somebody could also throw that a..ho.e "cockpoo" out of there they would have much better workingconditions.

Everybody that posts the smalest little thing of progress just stirs the pot and get everybody more crazy.

Cotulla stated yesterday very clearly when somebody mentioned that they believed the nand would be finished right around christmas, that the nand would be finished much sooner than that.

So everybody just chill....we have the time to wait another month or so! Anybody disagree?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Ramius71:
Sorry....dobbel post.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Beretta93:
Wifi issue is SOLVED ! :cool::cool:

The issue was about the MBR system partition on the card messing with boot apparently. Thx DeliGT for what you did. ;)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] juanzho11:
i was reading too and i got so excited as they were going thru the steps!!!!

awesome...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] pack21:
GooD ****ing guys DeliGT and cass!!:D Good worK!

Gauner1986 and Letama will be Crasy, they work alot for that ****ing wifi issue!

ppl....lets **** the wifi ***! i will be the first.

:p

MOD EDIT>> Profanity removed.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] juanzho11:
WLAN Like cotulla would say... :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dharvey4651:
Please refrain from using profanity here. This is a public board - anybody can read it and become offended.

Please edit out the profanity from your post or I will do it for you.

-DH
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Samsunguy:
i am very offended about what you have said pack 21 there is no use for profanity.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] squish099:
Just so u all know nand is only 50% they can only read from nand, all writes are still made to a data.img on the card. Not saying this is bad or that it won't be released this way.. but with out a SD card its useless. Also all this talk how this will save battery and make the system faster, well Idk how well those statements are going to hold up..

Sent from my HTC Vision HD2
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] abdulsheikh007:
oh man,,, thats bad news for me,,,, i was in hopes, that it will completely replace win mo 6.5 ,

but this is just serving two purpose

1) copying android into nand instead of memory ( not much of help in the long run)

2) nothaving to boot to win mo to run android (this can also be aschived by installing mgldr, and storing the the rom in the sd card, wat diffrence wud it make ??? ) please clarify ,,

ad sorry if i am wrong !!!

cotulla roxxxxx !!!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Apache0c:
Where are you getting this information? If this was true then I think we would have heard about it before.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] squish099:
That's with magldr and from cass' and deli_gt's on irc logs, ill copy and paste with an edit, brb.

arrrghhh are you guys only doing a partial nand as well? i don't get why the SD card has any role in NAND. Cass we not write to nand yet. Cass flash tool not corect methinks. arrrghhh ah. arrrghhh ok. arrrghhh so it is kinda like the RHOD's NAND then. arrrghhh ic. Cass yeah we have a bootlader

Sent from my HTC Vision HD2
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] oneonembrey:
Donation

okay after they release this nand thing!!! i say we should give them a fat donation because they work hard on this.. i know i wouldnt have did it knowing people wasnt going to be patient for a favor i was working hard on.. so im going to give back to them... smh
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Apache0c:
That doesnt look like an irc log and even if it is, I seriously doubt they were even talking about the HD2 there.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] anap40:
It deffinitley is in the logs and it looks pretty clearly like they are talking about the HD2.

01:36	arrrghhh:	are you guys only doing a partial nand as well? i don't get why the SD card has any role in NAND.

01:36	Cass:	we not write to nand yet

01:36	=> theredundant joins

01:36	Cass:	flash tool not corect methinks

01:36	arrrghhh:	ah

01:36	arrrghhh:	ok

01:37	arrrghhh:	so it is kinda like the RHOD's NAND then.

01:37	arrrghhh:	ic.

01:37	Cass:	yeah we have a bootlader
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] squish099:
Sorry I just copied and pasted didn't think the xda app would let me post all of it if I broke it down like that. I was trying not to make a second post for the log. Guess that failed since I'm posting to apologize..

Sent from my HTC Vision HD2
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Apache0c:
Where does it say they are talking about HD2? Is Cass working on the HD2 project?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] squish099:
Yes cass has a leo and argghhhhh make a reference to nand on leo being similar to rhodium.

Sent from my HTC Vision HD2
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] zarathustrax:
They've been saying for awhile that not everything is going on nand and you will still need SD. The only thing nand will do is allow you to boot directly into android without needing winmo. Performance and battery life will not be changed... only bootup time improves.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] aegidios2:
hi,

correct me but, if the've made a real boot loader, is that mean that winmo will stay on nand ? and if it is, is there enought space on our regular hd2 to put android ... or will we stay on a sd distrib with real dual boot ?

thanks