yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mskip:
Ok back on topic please people if its not about NAND then it belongs in a different thread. There are other threads discussing who wants what on their phones and which is better so if you dont want to discuss NAND then please post it there.

Mark.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] StephanV:
There you go!

Edit: sorry Mark. I had already begun this reply after you made your post. Googling images takes a long time when mobile =) remove as you please.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mskip:
LOL its ok I dont want to undo all your hard work just dont do it again ;)

Mark.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Samsunguy:
18:50	gauner1986	rmnet sucks

18:50	cass-out	damn stable tho

18:50	gauner1986	1492 MTU ftw

18:50	cass-out	haha

18:51	cass-out	have fun chaps ... later !!

18:52	Rajko	rmnet support in kernel makes baby jesus cry

18:52	[Delenn]	hehe

18:53	[Delenn]	maybe rmnet wins

18:56	gauner1986	it makes the traffic notification icon cry

18:56	gauner1986	rmnet wins if it's finally stable

PPP is good and all but i would rather stick with somthing more stable
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] maseo:
+1 on that. I haven't been able to get any ppp build working at all!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Apache0c:
PPP is mostly stable in the EVO Kernel used in MattC v1.8. The problem with RMNET is the limited upload speeds. Which is just as unacceptable as the stability issues in PPP. So both have their drawbacks at this point.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] johnnyboyya:
but the stability issue is fixed in the v1.8 isnt it well atleast for me i dont have any problems at all with it only hot spot doesnt work. but internet is fast and quadrant is above nexus one 2.2 so it is amazing :)

p.s. cant wait to Triplex boot into Win7, Froyo, Ubuntu :) my dream
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] BLAST3RR:
Well, I personally would prefer having some sort of internet connection (and then with a lower upload) than none at all.. PPP builds also don't work for me..
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Don001:
Yeah although upload speed is important, even more important is a stable data connection!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] hd945157206:
hd2 will have wm wp7 android :p
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] StephanV:
you forgot meego and ubuntu!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Don001:
And which one your actually going to use?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] orangekid:
I could see using Android 3.0 and WP7 both daily depending on how the day was looking, don't really care much about the others.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] radiance26:
I think it's too bad that dev's don't want to share with us more informations of what they do.

I understand it's their work and it's ok if they wanna wait to share the final version.

But it wasn't the idea that I had of XDA community.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jase33:
you could read the irc logs if you wanted to. besides....would you rather them work on getting this to work or wondering if you're ok or not with the amount of info you have about this project at the moment?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Don001:
Although I'm loving Android at the moment and I could see myself porting WM7 and yeah the others, I don't really see myself using although I haven't really used them and my knowledge on them is, to be honest, sh*t lol
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] hd945157206:
Hi. what is meego ? I have know ubuntu
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] xiyan2127:
Nokia's New Operating System

Meego is Nokia's New Android like, Linux based Operating System for the Companies N series Tablet PC's and Tablet Phones ( eg: N900). For more information Google is your friend :D

Now lets go back to This Threads Topic.... "Android on HD2 NAND". Ready Normal people...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] juiceppc:
I'm having a feeling that WP7 is going to be easier to port to NAND than Android. I think we'll see WP7 ROMS first. Just sayin.

Honestly I fine with either as WM6.5 is pretty much done. IMHO. Sure it's capable but the apps are not being created for it anymore. The old Marketplace has like 6 free utility apps...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Marvlesz:
totally agrees !!

i barely find apps !i use google to find apps now, unlike Android, whenever you felt u want an app just go to the market n u'll find hundereds of apps that satisfy ur needs ;)

let's see WP7
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mattfmartin:
That guy Football, the one that had been leaking all of the official RUU builds. He got a hold of the RUU official build of the Schubert (aka HD3/HD7). Its in the windows7 development and hacking section. I wonderr if Cotullas DFT has this? Here is the link to the thread. Maybe someone might tell Cotulla about it. What he had in that video might be different from this and he can use it.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=803765
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] papoble:
I come from iphone and i must to say that its O.S. is better, in almost all things than android and wm 6.5.5 now, but, im watching actually all theese expectatives (wp7, Android 3.0...) for my loving 4.3 inch screen hd2 so i hope it changes for me at all:rolleyes: thanks to all developers for hard work...(I said the same so many times to iphone-dev-team before) :p
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Beretta93:
LMAO
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] stratplayer:
Ditto.... funniest thing I've read all weekend! iPhone better than Android OS.. i've tears in my eyes...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Samsunguy:
i dont think most of us really care about this post

anyways

15:06	darkstone: i suspect fixing hw h264 encoding may enable 720p recording

15:06	darkstone:	but one step at a time

15:06	darkstone:	:p

15:06	noellenchris:	switching kernels now...had to d/l

15:06	Markinus:	gauner1986: it'S booting great!

15:07	gauner1986:	markinus: cass told me it doesnt

15:07	Markinus:	gauner1986: ?!?

15:07	Cass:	Markinus, sth breaks it in nand

15:07	Markinus:	gauner1986: no problems here

15:07	Cass:	if i reset to patch before spi its fine

15:07	Cass:	after not so mucj

15:07	Markinus:	Cass: on magldr/sd works perfect

it only gets better and better
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] rr5678:
So if you say iOS is better than Android and WM6.5, then how come you didn't keep your iPhoney?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mattfmartin:
If iphone is so great than why is android up 30% in sales over Steve Jobs abomination of a phone.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] papoble:
I only say for me, by now (and i can say this because i have been for a long long time an iphone user) is better O.S. than android in many things...App store, usabilitty, cappacities... The reason ive abandoned iphone is screen... Dont like watching video in 3, 7 inches screen or internet or reading ebooks, etc.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] rr5678:
You know what? This isn't an iPhone forum. This isn't even a SUBforum about the iPhone. We're here to discuss booting Android off the NAND flash chip in a Windows Mobile phone (HD2)

Oh, and one more thing. REMOVABLE MEMORY.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] derball:
hell yäh is no iphone around her and no os from the iphone , this is all about how u get android working on the hd2 and for now is it working pretty well:D ( sorry about the bad english )

and no iphone os is not better than the hd2 its just more easy 2 use for the normal user...thats all
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jechus:
+1 thanks
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] |ErosizeD|:
Great notices!!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jonboyuk:
Too my iPhoney talk in here.

Anyway, this is good news, 720p video (potentially). Is it me or is the HD2 the God of all phones? What can't it do (and that's not an invitation to say "iOS")! Seriously, bar the 8mpx camera, would there be much difference between the HD2 on Desire HD software (when it's on NAND) and the actual Desire HD?

PS. Excuse all the parenthesis, they just happen sometimes :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ll_l_x_l_ll:
i would like to correct you here.

my HD2 with CM6 runs much faster than my brothers Galaxy S.

and i mean much much faster. and he just flashed to 2.2 official one as well.

in fact he is thinking to sell his phone for HD2 simply because the bigger screen " yes galaxy S has better colors" and the options of Roms available.

however, i would agree with you on keep windows mobile 6.5 . why remove 2 OS ?

in fact, if we ever get windows 7, it will be through the same method as android.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ll_l_x_l_ll:
- better screen on Desire HD ?

- Faster Rom ?

- Less Battery usage ?

to be honest. Desire HD is the only " and i mean ONLY " system that can replace my HD2 . and i will only do that if they rooted the phone and saw much of difference between the 2 systems to justify the price difference.

and even then. i would think twice of doing do

i will never go back less than 4.3 screen for mobile phone. i tried Iphone 4. Galaxy S. always dreamed of Evo 4G " stupid CDMA ****"

but nothing beats a 180 dpi on a 4.3 screen. it feels so good man.

everyone who saw my HD2 with CM6 and 180 dpi, look at his big fat ugly icons on his phone and wonder wtf is going on. its awesome really.

my brother tried the dpi change on galaxy S. i swear it looked like **** he saved the water on his face and put it back to normal while we were laughing about it
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] sander2010:
Good news with the development...

Patiently waiting :)

Keep up the good work guys
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Beretta93:
Has he applied the lag fix?

Because my wife has Gakaxy S, lag fixed but still eclair, and her phone is way more responsive than my HD2 running CM6. And the S gets 2200pts with quadrant, when the best I could get was 1900pts with my HD2's OCed Cpu...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Screemi:
the galaxy s soc hummingbird is way more powerfull then the QSD8250. the ardeno 200 gpu in the hd2 sucks compared to the sgx540 in the hummingbird. no wonder that the galaxy gets higher scores.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Beretta93:
I know its specs thanks. But before lagfix its score was around 1000pts...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mikashakira:
the negative point for the S is the available ram has only 120mb before and now for froyo..its too bad for that fast devise
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] rr5678:
But you know what? I have to side with the HD2 on this one. Three words: Multiple OS capability.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] tonyjansen:
Staying on topic is cool. Please don't hijack this thread with a my device is better than yours contest.

Thank you.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] _X_:
Can we hijack it with "mine is bigger than yours" then? :p

ps. display size of course :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dharvey4651:
I agree. This thread has been left alone for the most part by the staff considering it is merely a discussion but I will agree, it is getting terribly off topic...

Please get this thread back on topic.

-DH
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dulexetina:
i have been reading the older posts about having it almost done-booting nand of course-so happy,and cant wait my hd2 arrives to try out new builds till the nand is ready

thanx to the folks that are making this possible
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Samsunguy:
20:15	Markinus:	mdeejay: and you tested with both commits, yes? with my correction too?

20:16	Markinus:	this for no working camera

20:16	mdeejay:	i test with last kernel from autobuild

20:16	WizzKidd:	jonpry: hi, are you the one who built the android kernel for HTC Diamond?

20:16	Markinus:	mdeejay: how did you test it, youtube?

20:17	mdeejay:	stock player

20:17	mdeejay:	browser

20:17	Curious_:	browseer???????????

20:17	mdeejay:	youtube app works

20:17	Markinus:	yes, for me too

20:17	=> C_h_r_i_s joins

20:17	mdeejay:	but stock player have sound with blackscreen

20:18	mdeejay:	<mdeejay> & Quadrant CPU score = 1800

20:18	mdeejay:	<mdeejay> long pause on H264 decoding test

20:19	mdeejay:	cpu score 1800, overall score 998 :D

20:19	Markinus:	mdeejay: I can play videos

20:19	Markinus:	h264

20:19	Curious_:	no issue for me in quadrant

20:20	Curious_:	no pause on h264..

omg the quadrant scores are amazing and they said there would be no increases with performance and the youtube app is working now, and it seems that they are using a sense build keep it up devs!!!!!! :) :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] donalgodon:
At this point, is there any consensus on how much improvement are we likely to see in battery drain over running from the SD card?

My first test last night of a recently updated build in Airplane mode via SD card drained my battery 50% in about six hours (battery info reports phone idle as consuming 100% in usage), so I'm wondering how much this is likely to change.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Tico.ASandoval14:
How do you guys get so many hours?! (well i mean for you thats a little bit) but i mean my phone dies in like 5 hours on android??? is this normal? even in windows mobile 6.5 itll die like in 6 hours? This has been happening since like day 1 of getting my hd2...Ive tried turning off 3g wifi brightness level and vibration and leave it over night. By the time I wake up it dies on me??? wth is that?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] donalgodon:
I'm saying that I got 50 percent battery usage while the phone was sleeping in Airplane mode! :p

I don't get anywhere near that in actual use, and as such, Android ROMs are basically a toy for me at this point. I'm hoping that will change when NAND boot is an option.

In Windows Mobile (Miri's v23), I get a full day's use with 50 percent battery.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] StephanV:
Seems to me like you have a bad battery man..
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] maseo:
Im getting about 16-18 hours on a low-hold-use of my phone.

If i don't listen to any music (like in the weekends) it almost makes a 24h cycle, but then it's flat-dead-on-its-ass empty..

But, it might all be for a short notice, i need to send my HD2 back for repairs.

Damned thing keeps rebooting when downloaden a (high) volume of data, and above ±35°C it keeps rebooting and getting stuck, which in turn needs a battery-pull and cooldown. :(
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Crash1983:
50% after 6 hours?

In airplane mode my HD2 looses around 8% after 10 hours.

For me it is fully usable. I was not using wm for weeks.

Crash
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] donalgodon:
What Win/Android ROM combo are you using?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dung8604:
What set up do you have?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] TheInVisibleGoD:
Well... to be honest whatever ROM, Android build or radio I use, I get almost the same battery drainage, a little bit less than 1%/hour (3mA-9mA current widget)!

This only to say that all this high drainage reports, I bet much more on any kind of SDcard issues than on any other thing! I might be wrong though...

For info, I'm using:

Chucky latest ROM

mdeejay desireHD 3.6 with 7.6 hastarin kernel

2.15 radio

Android build running on an Adata Class6 card

EDIT: Forgot to mention that I'm getting less than but almost 1%/hour with Airplane mode OFF...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] zarathustrax:
There may be a slight increase in battery life with nand, but I wouldn't count on it making a noticeable difference. The way it's been looking with the irc discussions, they are getting less of a battery life while using nand... which makes sense because without having winmo booted first and initializing power management, they have to rely on their homemade drivers for initializing everything, which may not be optimal yet. They have got nand's power management working a lot better than it was a week or 2 ago, but it still isn't as power conservative as we can get with running from SD. We'll have to wait and see....
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] oniddy:
well we will all wait i quess because we all want it to work at its best,thats why we need to understand the developers when they SAY THEY WORKING ON IT! KEEP UP THE GREAT JOB GUYS
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Pierce Zhang:
Really good result!

My best result is 76% battery left after 8 hours, no phone calls, no gaming, cause it's a saturday, just left the phone there, with Advanced Task Manager killing the backend apps.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Crusoe86:
Can someone please close this thread?

It gets more and more off topic and I can see only useless posts except the IRC logs from time to time... :(

For the smart asses:

No... this is not a useless post...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Yuri.A:
Agreed....
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mcmuffin95:
No! Off Topic please ! Don't close it!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] rr5678:
Well, you see, there's alot of time to spend waiting for an update, so why not let discussion go on, even if off topic? I figure, if you let them do off topic posts here, it won't go to other threads, and they (the threads) will be safe.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] JanssoN:
+ 1 :D

I think there's a need to have such a thread where you can discuss things that are off topic :rolleyes:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] zarathustrax:
I agree... this is a discussion thread. If you don't like the discussions, then don't read. When nand is released, there will be an official thread.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] JanssoN:
I'm just asking myself about NAND.. Are there any updates? The last thing I heard about was a week ago. I've seen in the IRC logs that they fixed the WiFi and they're doin beta testing. And I have also heard that RMNET seems to do the race because it's very fast? :D

Does anyone know more?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mskip:
If this thread was closed then people would just vent their frustrations (and lack of patience) elsewhere which would be even worse. As long as the discussions dont go too off off topic I see no problems here.

Mark.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Don001:
As Mark stated, if it wasn't for this thread, they would threads made every other hour asking for updates regarding NAND or why it hasn't been released yet (which I still cannot get my head around, how can someone who isn't putting in any work for it actually be so impatient?)

I'd say let this thread run, it does go a bit of topic at times, but which thread doesn't? Sometimes they aren't any updates for a while, so let people discuss what they want to
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] hitekredneck:
Last thing we all know is that Cotulla has gotten the Power Collapse working and it has ultra low power mode when device is in _IDLE_. I am assuming this would be a very good development where battery life is concerned.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mskip:
Is there any interest if I create a 'chat' thread in the HD2 Android General Discussion forum for people to have a chat if they want (about Android of course) and keep this thread purely on NAND updates?

If anyone is interested then let me know and I will set one up :)

Mark.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] arun_rajput:
Mark, I think that's a great idea!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] sh500:
I think it would be useful to somehow only allow people who are the 'authorities in the field' to post on such threads (pre-approval). This would elminate some of the rubbish posted. Having to go through a hundred plus pages to find an actual update (if any) is a pain (!)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] JanssoN:
Good idea, would really appreciate this :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] JanssoN:
Ok, thanks for the update :)

Sounds pretty nice, as everybody always said there will be no better battery life on NAND :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Rouz.:
+1 with this idea ...

This thread can be a reliable source for information about NAND status, (once the posts are restricted to DFTeam's updates only)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Screemi:
doesn't sound good. i don't expect a release in near future. but maybe it's easily fixable. what do i know :) keep up the great work!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] motorboy-johnny:
Perfect! This thread is getting a little bit chaotic :D.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] impaziente:
oh yes!It's would be very useful for all us!i'm very very interested! :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] impaziente:
oh yes!It's would be very useful for all us!i'm very very interested!:D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mskip:
I have created a General HD2 Android Discussion Lounge *HERE* and stuck it so its easy to find.

Please feel free to use it to discuss or chat about anything HD2 Android related and keep this thread clear for important posts about NAND.

Enjoy :)

Mark.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] darbs121:
Question....

I was wondering if there is a alpha test out there or anything that we could see even with it not 100% working. Usually devs put something out there to show there work. I looked through this forum and didnt really find anything

Anyone Know?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] StephanV:
Nope, there's nothing to play with unless you're involved with the project.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] darbs121:
Thanks StephanV
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] _X_:
Something like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KciRhnePeU

and what would you do with alpha? flash it? with high chance of bricking your device? devs don't need that kind of "bad PR" and accusations that they made someones life miserable.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] orangekid:
you can't brick your device flashing an Android NBH over MAGLDR because NAGLDR is flashed over HSPL, so the worst case scenario is you have something that doesn't really work and you'd have to reflash a WM ROM to get rid of MAGLDR and start all over again.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] clio94:
Does anyone knows if running android from nand,gives correct wifi mac address or still we need to build our personal kernel to take real wifi mac address;
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] oneonembrey:
i have a question... I like some of the builds thats devs have made for the sd, like hyperdroid, and bangster v1.5 builds etc... when nand comes out, can i be able to use these build for nand?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dung8604:
I doubt it because the builds on SD are made specifically to be run off SD. However, I do think that your favorite devs will be working on getting their builds working on NAND. It will most likely take some time to work everything out completely.