yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] rajkosto:
adb is safe (droid explorer, android commander, or just plain adb from android sdk)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] lonelykatana:
Ahh forget it
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dharvey4651:
You tell em bud :p
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] josephphng:
Seems like he is trying to say that doesnt like people who complains and tries to rush the devs into doing things quicker. Sell your phone, get another one, less stressfull.... Good job devs?

I dunno, i could be wrong for now i see stress organize not much to enough because good things now too you know???
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dharvey4651:
I'm confused... :confused:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mskip:
Try running it through google translate.. Is there an option for Gibberish to English? :rolleyes:

Mark.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] adamvanner:
I think its finished, at least that what the devs on irc seemed to suggest. Its just testing and minor issues. you can only presume something in some form will be put out in a weeks time.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] kholk:
Well, fixing bad audio quality shouldn't take so much time... just some mods here and there, so I'm expecting a release in some days.

Thank you Cotulla for all of your hard work.

OT: I've seen the WP7S Demo... you're GOD :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] fstluxe:
I think we should start a Donation Thread for Cotulla! is that possible?

Just to appreciate his work ;)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] eddyy:
I agree 100%

one build wich work and a deal boot wm and android would be best
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Apache0c:
Cotulla is already included in a thread to donate to all the devs that are working on making this possible, you should use that since Cotulla is not the only dev doing low level kernel work.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mskip:
If you want to donate to cotulla then you are more than welcome to as well as anyone else that wants to but what would be the point in starting a thread just to say who has donated? Donation threads are set up to tempt developers to work on a particular project and this project has been worked on for a long time now so there is no need for any temptations.

Noone is obliged to donate to anyone else for work done and just a thank you is all that is required. Sorry I just dont see the point in having a thread just for that reason and would ask that one isnt set up. Keep that sort of thing private between you and who you choose to donate to :)

Mark.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] StephanV:
Why a thread? When you donate, you usually do it because you want to support the developer, not because you like to show off how much you've given. Could be wrong though.

Edit: got beaten to it. Twice. Damnit!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] steven1234:
wifi wasn't the big problem... and sound still isn't the big problem... the big problem is battery drain. it drains at over 100mah even in standby and i have read in the irc logs that the phone gets very hot even when not doing anything...

Cotulla	and drain is ****edf

18:41	Cotulla	so until it fixed IT JUST NOT USABLE

18:41	Cotulla	with 130 current with screen off
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mskip:
Only by like a minute or maybe less :rolleyes:

Hell I was beaten to it too damnit lol :D

Mark.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] shure2:
this makes me laugh at how lots of people thought the battery life would be so much better, yet failed to remember android is loaded onto the volatile memory with haret.....
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] zarathustrax:
Yeah, I've been trying to tell people that nand is not going to magically make it run better or more efficiently, and would probably bring all new problems... yeah, it will improve bootup time, but that's about it. Whether android is stored on nand or SD, it all runs from your RAM.

But everybody just has it in their head that nand will do this and nand will fix that, and without nand nand the hd2 will never be good enough. I've heard several people already say if nand isn't ready soon and it doesn't do this and that, that they will sell their hd2s and give up on running android on hd2. People who are that impatient should just get an android phone. Porting an OS to a phone that doesn't natively run it take time. We've already had the quickest port of android out of all the winmo phones that have had android ported.

Work needs to be done to the kernel to make the improvements that everybody wants and thinks nand will make. But everybody is pushing for nand, so devs that would probably be working on the kernel are instead putting all efforts into nand.

I do like the way magldr is looking, though. That will be useful even for people that are keeping winmo on nand. The devs have been doing a great job and deserve our thanks and respect. Android already runs great and it will only get better.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] |ErosizeD|:
Maybe now, but when nand is finished, you will se the change.

on nand the device will be faster, stable, and more userfull...

ITS ORRIBLE TO REBOOT, AND TURN ON AGAIN ANDROID...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] veda_sticks:


That's funny because my phone does not get hot when idle or even when doing light task. U need to read. Install set CPU. Run it and let it set the values for u. I use android daily with same battery life as Wm.

Yes there are bugs. But IMO android on hd2 is better than alot of native devices. Its certainly faster than a stock desire
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] veda_sticks:
I use android permanantl. I rarely have to reboot.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] shuntje:
The problem is not that nand uses more power. Power management is just not working 100% yet no suspend mode or however they called it. Its al in the logs on the IRC channel all the ppl talking about detailed stuff like this may want to read up on the last 2 weeks.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] steven1234:
we are talking about nand... you're on SD card so of course your phone acts normal (well normal for HD2 android)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Beretta93:
The problem is due to a bug, it's not normal functionning. When this is settled, Android on NAND will actually be more energy saver than SD card, even if it's loaded into ram, it's just a question of common sense : any change you do, any app you use makes I/O access and writes/read on SDcard.

So whenever Android runs fully on NAND, it will be without any doubt a bit faster and a lot more energy saver.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] rajkosto:
the wifi fix in kernel (just sdc1 reset) fixes the wifi problem and works with any sdcard the same now.

no new videos since that would be redudant but i updated my build to FRG81 as well as including the wifi fixed kernel (updated the link in my youtube video)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] steven1234:
rajkosto would you say the battery drain is the main thing holding this back from release or are there more serious issues that make it unstable for a public release?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Beretta93:
Main issue is battery drain and audio quality, but real next step is stable flashing utility.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mlkenschede:
My abbo is ending soon so I’m in a big.....what should I do. Waiting for the Nand version because I love my HD2 with Android now. I even thought about the Desire HD but when the HD2 has a rom android then I do not see the real big advantages. Maybe once in a lifetime i should be patience.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] kdeguy:
Mark, it never ceases to amaze me how diplomatically you handle all discussions. This is just my bit of appreciation. Thanks!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mskip:
Patience is a great thing to have but always hard to find when you need it.

If you love your HD2 with android then why change it for something different that you might not like? Hang on it will be worth the wait :)

Mark.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mskip:
I just try and do my bit to keep everything running smoothly but thanks for the appreciation its appreciated :)

Mark.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] firebert:
I agree with you 100%
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] adamvanner:
"Userfull" Brilliant! Thanks for the new word! I'll use that in future!

Its like useful, but in a way that relates to the user! lol
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] hd945157206:
hi everyone

what is this :

http://bbs.fengbao.com/thread-203425-1-1.html
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] rajkosto:
just chinese people wondering what to do with the builds ive uploaded

(hmm probably why my webserver is being overloaded)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Rouz.:
LOL! that was the funniest thing i read today! I guess they are all desperately googling MAGLDR 1.08 :rolleyes:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Xiao4:
at last, they notice that, they need the password to unpack MAGLDR.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Xiao4:
they knew MAGLDR and they have already got it. the only thing they want is the password of the parked file.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ronalgps:
hey just one question i dont know if it was already answered but if i got flash my hd2 with any android build i mean in the future..... could i flash back to wm.. sorry for the question.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Samsunguy:
Yes you can as long as you have hspl on your hd2, but why would you.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Trus:
It's out there? It had officially launched? If so where it can be downloaded?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] StephanV:
No, no, nowhere.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Trus:
what is this ... http://rajko.info/cupcake/cm6_frg81_nand_for_mldr108.7z ?

edit.. i download it what is it ? ?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] squish099:
Build for flashing through magldr..

Sent from my HTC Vision HD2
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Don001:
Nothing, don't do anything with that file until magldr is realised and they's instructions on how to flash the Android build, you don't want to brick your phone now do you!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Trus:
well, well, not even occurred to me to put it into the phone, I was just curious what it is:)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Don001:
Well its the rom were going to use to put NAND Android onto our phones, a nice little sign of things to come :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] domineus:
its a good vote of development

I can't wait to see sense builds in nand
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Samsunguy:
now the only thing delaying us from having android from nand on our hd2's is the nand version for ubuntu which im sure nobody cares about.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mskip:
If you had ubuntu loaded into nand then would you still be able to use your phone as a phone? Sorry I have never tried ubuntu on the HD2 but isnt that turning your phone into a pc.

Mark.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] StephanV:
They got a lot of phone stuff working already. Texting and mobile internet are fixed, calling is also possible but w/o audio at the moment. Still, you can make a call just for the hell of it! =)

http://htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Leo/Status

Edit: about the nand: Ubuntu is meant to dualboot, I don't think it's ever gonna fit in nand..
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Samsunguy:
ya but there working on a dual boot for android and ubuntu if you go to the wiki page it says there now working on nand for ubuntu.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] zarathustrax:
I doubt they're trying to fit ubuntu into nand. Where did they say this?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] qipengart:
I detect delicious smells of androidified hd2 on the horizon after tomorrow's wp7 launch.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] steven1234:
SO TOMORROW IT IS!!!??? yay nand for hd2 tomorrow! i hope this hint comes true!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] rajkosto:
yes, yes, believe any random person on the internet, im sure what they say is true
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] icsulescu:
With all respect for you, your work and all other developers but don't you think that if a dev. from the team or you will give an pessimistic date for releasing it it will silence this topic for a while.

Regards,

Me
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] josephphng:
i highly doubt they have an idea on a good release date either. Im sure they dont want to put up a hype and shoot everyone down by saying "its not ready yet" and besides, whats wrong with this thread anyways, if its annoyingly long, dont read it. Come back when you see a thread "NAND READY" or something
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] icsulescu:
My reply was not about this thread but that I will rather prefer to read about things that have been done and are successfully working from NAND; the problems that developers are encountering, something like a IRC logs resume than an never-ending n00bs release estimation.

Regards,

Me
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Spl4tt:
^lol

u shouldnt belive that fast xD
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] motorboy-johnny:
Welcome @ XDA forum and WP7 means Windows Phone 7 wich will be releases today 10:30 am in New York.

Have a nice day.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] deadey3:
nice 1 :) dont think nand will release this month... maybe a christmas present??
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] djvanila:
I can not wait... :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] elgrego4:
I've seen the devs on irc working on nand and have it working. What i dont understand is if they are using it on nand, have they wiped winmo from the phone?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] :
hey everybody,

i found this link in youtube.

i can't paste url this time, so you have to get the follwing line behind youtube.com in your browser search line

http://www.YouTube.com/watch?v=jFFHrtHDDR4&feature=fvwk

is there a installable nand froyo 2.2 right now?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] lucian777:
Yes WINMO is gone.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mskip:
That vid was posted on 10th September which was about 2 weeks before Cotulla even stated NAND development was finished so I dont know if its a legit vid or not. Either way there is no published installable version of NAND Android right now so wait patiently and as soon as its ready and safe it will be published on xda.

Mark.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] elgrego4:
If that is so, why are some of the files still on the sd card?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] motorboy-johnny:
Please don't object a mod.

Cotulla and the Dark Forces Team is hard working on NAND and all the details will be available after release. Everyone will use it! even if you have to place some files on your SDcard.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Don001:
I hope this don't happen, that's too much of a wait considering the devs are so close to completing it!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Samsunguy:
No doubt about it NAND is probably going to be a Christmas present by the way it is looking right now but who knows the future can change.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] StephanV:
Can everyone who knows **** about it please stop posting release dates, even if you think your logic makes sense?

Let the devs post the official stuff, and maybe then we can stop some of the confusion that's dominating this thread.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] elgrego4:
Object a mod? What are you talking about? Im just trying to understand how the Nand setup works.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] StephanV:
Some NAND setups currently still have the kernel on SD, and the ROM on NAND. Don't know why though, and I think Rajkosto has a full-NAND setup already.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Sjuust:
Maybe because it's easy to update the kernel that way?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] DashDaKidd:
Just wondering about something in NAND. will there be a startup.txt file included or even a build.prop file included because I like to change the lcd density to 200. Just wondering about that maybe there will be some setting or something. I know its too early to give me a definitive answer but just wondering on ur thoughts
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] twisted89:
Shouldnt be problem if they dont, they recently released an app to change it

xda-developers.com/android/change-your-android-lcddensity-with-this-app/
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] madu2:
It´s probably the best reason for that. So it´s easier make changes.

(oh! it´s my first post in more than 3 years... Sorry... my english is not good enough to discuss ... and it takes me normaly 3 times as normal to fix in my brain what I´m reading)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] motorboy-johnny:
The details available is just all everyone knows on the moment.

Or you must be one of the developers :p

After release there will be a extensive Q&A.

So I don't understand why everyone would fathom the whole NAND thing.

Peronally I'm waiting for the release and after that I will find out how it works.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Don001:
Guess it's curiosity as most people are waiting for NAND to be released, just waiting to see what is coming and it's nice to know what will be coming and how about to install it, what components are needed, how to make a NAND friendly rom, you know, this is just something which makes people more anxious and ask more questions.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] slimster:
that is a very good point johnny; all of us not in the "circle of devs" working on the nand project right now are all just speculating. i think we all have an idea of what nand will and will not do for the hd2 but until it is released we won't know. also, once released, a lot of problems that exists will probably be worked out in time. i have complete faith in the devs here and don't doubt their skills. :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] motorboy-johnny:
I know you're totally right with your explenation Don001.

Only the same questions are coming back everytime and release should provide all the answers. That's my personal opinion.

Discussion closed?

Let's talk about NAND again :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Don001:
Good Idea, lets get back to the matter at hand, NAND! :D

I honestly cannot wait for it to be released, although that being said, I'm pretty sure they won't be a significant improvement, as battery life won't be that better and the speed, but hey, better then nothing right lol and when i show it to people with that piece of **** called the iPhone, how they admire it :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] rajkosto:
release dates are meaningless on small-team hobbyist free projects

you just code, and when it's good enough and stable enough, you release

otherwise, you code some more

there are no reasons for deadlines or any project planning as they arent getting paid or working for any company...

also, since magldr 1.08, nothing needs to be on sdcard anymore (and my latest videos show entire boots without sdcard in)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] steven1234:
i heard that this is going to be released soon
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] rajkosto:
from who, your grandma ?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jetsetwilly:
Who'll be out first? The Chilean miners or NAND? :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] domineus:
the miners =3
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] lonelykatana:
bahahah! :D Im guessing they dont know who you are.

I actually hope its the miners, they deserve to come out now... Poor guys!:(
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ceesheim:
I don't know if you are the right person to ask but maybe you can/want to answer it .

that magldr , is that a sort of second bootloader that get flasht after the spl/hspl (spl load first and then magldr) '?

is it right to say that if you flash a stock rom that magldr will be erased by the stock rom and only the hspl will stay ?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Beretta93:
I read Cotulla saying so.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] motorboy-johnny:
Yups!

Cotulla announced Magldr a while ago on his Twitter and someone (don't know his name anymore) asked him how set everthing back.

His answer was to flash back to stock.

Just that simple and safe :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] cedesmith:
from what i understand magldr is after spl and gets loaded by spl. my guess ( bassed on the fact that is magldr.nbh) is that it replaces xip in windows so it loads instead of windows kernel.

magldr seams to be able to use remaining free space in nand to create linux partitions and load linux kernel from boot partition.

when you flash a wm rom you will probably overwrite magldr and linux partition with xip,imgfs, fat partition table.

basically it will be just as now as spl will load before magldr and will do what it does now.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] zarathustrax:
I have a question about magldr that I'm hoping someone with more knowledge may be able to answer.

Now, I heard that magldr will be capable of creating up to 8 partitions, and wm or android only need 4 or less each.... will someone with a tmous hd2 with the 1gb nand size be able to put both wm and android both on nand completely and run them from magldr? Both OS's can be fit into 512mb each, so there should be enough space... I'm just wondering if magldr will be capable of this.

Maybe rajkosto or cass may know the answer to this? I've read a lot of the irc logs and never found a straight answer.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Samsunguy:
LOL The Chilean miners.:D:D:D:D:D:D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dharvey4651:
This is a good question but I'm almost positive the answer will be no. We'll have to wait and see...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] steven1234:
I'd trade every miner in there for a stable release of android on HD2
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] nicknowsky:
:eek::eek::eek: lol! we do really need a STABLE release
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] 10507:
SICK.......:eek:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] xiyan2127:
Repeated Nand Questions?

People Please Read the thread before asking questions already answered a few posts back... Its not so hard to press the page numbers and read the posts right?

I have been Reading, refreshing, reading and refreshing (960 posts now)... hehe and still i am gonna read and read.. Thanks Cotulla and the Devs who made this possible, You guys ROCK!!!!:cool:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] motorboy-johnny:
Xiyan2127 I totally agree with you!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] 12aon:
Enough with the miner jokes.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jechus:
+100000000000