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[Nexus One General] solidkevin:
Agree 100%! I would push the iphone greatly with the older crowd, Android is a bit more complicated but in the long run WAY better imo.
[Nexus One General] xSunny:
Exactly but the AT&T and The other places that sell the iphone they really only push the iPhones!
[Nexus One General] uberamd:
Really? I'm shocked ;) I bet 99.99% of the people here would say this, as it is an ANDROID FORUM. This place is as bias as an iPhone forum. :)

I have a Captivate, and while its good I wouldn't say it is better than iPhone 4 at this point. The Captivate is suffering from quite a few bugs including the inability to lock onto GPS, total failure to get an aGPS location, lagg in switching applications and returning to the home screen, and my screen already died on my original Captivate (after 4 days). Also its lack of a flash and front facing camera (which seems to be all the rage now days) hurts it a bit as well. Its a nice phone, but it is lacking polish. TouchWiz looks rushed too in my opinion. But once this thing gets Froyo it will rock, I don't doubt that at all and I really look forward to it.
[Nexus One General] xSunny:
Man i dont get the front facing camera rage.. So many of those flip phones had them before but nobody used them now since steve jobs put it on a phone everybody wants one?
[Nexus One General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
And another interesting thing regarding the free nexus one. I bought my nexus one from Vodafone Germany (without contract cause Vodafone contracts are horrible) and expected nothing less than the us nexus one. Vodafone said that the device is completely free. When froyo rolled out, German user didn't get the update. Why? Because the German n1 has a Vodafone firmware, which means I had to wait for Vodafone to give their go on a Google update for the nexus one. And I'm not even using a Vodafone sim card. Does this sound like a free device to you? Not to me that's why I unlocked the bootloader. And officially lost my warranty. Now I can only hope that HTC doesn't act up if I need something warranty related. Yes some people said that HTC didn't make any trouble, but they are not obliged to help.

Sorry for this OT post but as a nexus one and android fan I have to make clear that its not all sunshine on android too.

Sent from my Nexus One
[Nexus One General] uberamd:
Because on a flip phone it was a tiny screen and nobody else had one that supported it. Smartphones are different, large screens coupled with better hardware means a person with a phone could interact via a front facing camera and Fring/Skype/Etc with someone on a computer OR with a phone. There is much more support for front facing cameras now via 3rd party applications that work on PC's and phones.
[Nexus One General] solidkevin:
Hmm, well not gonna lie, I haven't used a captivate yet but from what I see on the vids it looks very solid! Great hardware and the UI seems solid.
[Nexus One General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
BTW: sales persons don't try to get the best product for you. They try to sell what's best for THEM. Their job is to maximize sales profit. You can't expect a sales person to be 100% honest and tell you that you can get a better.and cheaper product somewhere else.

I wouldn't be surprised if they were specifically asked by the manager to claim that android is inferior. Or the manager just told them that this is a fact.

Sent from my Nexus One
[Nexus One General] xSunny:
Would you really use "Facetime" except the first time you get the phone just to test it out? And it really sucks because its only on wi-fi
[Nexus One General] uberamd:
Facetime? No. But Facetime isn't the only applicable use. It also works with Fring for example, and it will work with Skype. Facetime is also an open protocol which means XBox could support it, even Android could support it. And the wifi only isn't a effect of the protocol but instead of AT&T. It would work just fine over 3G (Fring with the front camera works fine using 3G).
[Nexus One General] Dai323:
Thanks for all the nice and FRIENDLY responses on the last 2 pages. Maybe this thread can be saved! :)

I really appreciate when people who are in sales are getting what Im trying to say. Despite if people believe me, even though I wouldnt buy an iPhone, I do understand why people do. I also understand why some people buy the HD2. Some things will serve other peoples needs more than others. For some, Im sure WinMo works great, and for some it wont.

On a side note, I got my Phone from someone who purchased it from Google directly in the UK, so I lucked out. I feel your pain on the Vodafone version, as my friend who ended up buying one got Froyo WEEKS after the phones that came right from Google.

I by no means think Im an authority on cell phones, and I honestly would never tell people what the best decision to make is, as everyone is different. It also was never my intention to walk in and flame a salesperson. Thats why even though I felt right in what i said, I still apologized as I left the store.

I think that theres nothing wrong in making comparisions if someone openly invites you to compare. While she didnt "ask" for my opinion, she was sure quick to state hers upon sight of my phone. I simply asked for the reasoning she had for making her statement. Thats where it went wrong for her. Back up your argument with solid points, or dont enter the debate at all, because if you dont, the other person you just invited to debate might just...well...outdebate you!:D
[Nexus One General] uansari1:
Which is all the more reason for consumers to do the research and ASK AROUND before making a purchase (which is likely the reason the OP's friend wanted him to roll with). This sales lady screwed up. She could have framed her discussion in a conciliatory way. She could have said, "I understand that your N1 can do all these things as well... but iPhone is X and Y". Instead, she got caught not knowing what she's selling and rightly deserved to lose the sale. I ran into a Sprint salesperson that tried to insist the the Evo was running Froyo. I called him out on that as well, and he didn't believe me until I asked him to look in the settings himself. People who don't know their products don't deserve the sale, period. It's not that complicated.
[Nexus One General] Dai323:
THANK YOU! Thats all Im trying to say. He asked me to come with him to buy an iPhone and I naturally said yes, as hes one of my best friends. I didnt say "oh man, dont buy that freakin thing". It was never about that. And your right, I also really dont see anything complicated about it.

And guys, I honestly LOVE hearing BOTH sides on this, not just the ones who agree with me. Lets just try to keep it friendlier and without the insults!
[Nexus One General] solidkevin:
Sorry for calling you a douche.
[Nexus One General] Dai323:
No harm no foul man :) Thanks for that. And I apologize to anyone I offended. All the douche comments were just starting to sting a little bit. ;)
[Nexus One General] gundamboy:
hahaha, I actually have both phones! I like the nexus for daily use/customization and definitely got a lot more bang for my buck. iPhone 4 only has me at facetime and the video camera.
[Nexus One General] Dai323:
Really? I got to play a bit with the iPhone4, but not as much as I would have liked to. Whats it like in terms of speed? Ive heard the display does a bit better in the sun than the Nexus, and that the video is a bit better. Since you have both, Id like to hear an unbiased opinion on how they stack up against each other.
[Nexus One General] uberamd:
You mean unbiased?

My take (which may differ from gundamboy):

Nexus One wins with customization, hands down (as we knew already)

The iPhone 4 is quite fast, applications switch and close very fast and there is very little UI lag ever

The iPhone 4 is much better in the sun but thats to be expected, OLED devices aren't known for their in-sun abilities

The video and camera is better, but that is because its a newer device. I'm sure Android devices with better cameras will be out in the future. As we know though, its not about the megapixels. Two 5MP cameras can take entirely different qualty pictures, as megapixels mean very little when it comes to image quality. Sensor size reigns supreme

Overall the iPhone 4 and Nexus One are both good devices, each device has its merits, and the iPhone 4 just has better hardware because its newer. If Google releases a Nexus Two, I'm sure its hardware will outshine the iPhone 4.
[Nexus One General] flappjaxxx:
Sorry I couldn't resist
[Nexus One General] Dai323:
ROFL! As upset as I wanted to get, I cant help but LOL! :D
[Nexus One General] solidkevin:
lol funny thing, I JUST sold my I4 yesterday on eBay and bought the N1, Cant wait! When I had the N1 it was the perfect phone for me, only thing I had the Tmobile Version so no 3G, but now I got a brand New Condition ATT 3G version, Cant wait to get my hands on it! Im not sure If im gonna leave it rooted or not, I like thing clean and simple.
[Nexus One General] Dai323:
Thanks for the rundown. Too bad we wont be getting that Nexus Two :(

To be honest, I really was expecting Steve Jobs to bust out a massive sruprise and say that the iPhone4 had a dual core processor, or at least a 1.5ghz. I think that the fact that the phone being so new, but not busting full of the new features I thought it would has made me so irritated by it. Sure, better camera, higherscreen resolution...but I thought he would have announced more. 6 months newer than the Nexus, but only slightly faster and slightly newer hardware?

All the more reason that I would still personally the recommend the Nexus One over the new iPhone any day of the week.

And lets not forget price.

EDIT:

For anyone interested, I just saw this on twitter from Engadget: iPhone4 vs the Nexus One

http://www.googlenexusoneblog.com/?p=829 --part 1

and

http://www.googlenexusoneblog.com/?p=831 --part 2

Gonna watch it now.

EDIT2: Ok..vids are only about browser speed.

If you want a review that puts them head to head in everything, here ya go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjhF1xZQRQk
[Nexus One General] SeEsAw12:
It's funny how everyone disregards the fact that he's trying to help his friend out, not start an argument.

If your friend took you car shopping with him and you know a thing or two about cars, and your friend doesn't know much of anything, chances are, you're not gonna let him buy a piece of crap or at the very least you're going to tell him what he's getting into. If you don't, you're a terrible friend. This is a LONG TERM INVESTMENT. I know some of you live in denial-land where unicorns exist and rainbows and butterflies dance on fields of gold, but this is is real life. The seller made false accusations and the buy, or buyers friend, corrected the seller.

I've yet to see why he's a douche. He responded in a civil manner, AFAIK, and never once raised his voice or brought up any features that weren't already brought up.
[Nexus One General] Dai323:
I need more of these "OP is NOT a douche" posts! :)

But seriously, thanks for seeing what I was trying to do. I especially agree about the invesntment part. To some, mabye 400 or 500 for a phone isnt much, but to me it sure is. It might be "just a phone", but this "phone" could also pay for a nice weekend trip to Paris with me and the girlfriend. If Im gonna spend that much, I want to know what Im buying.

And yeah, if I would have raised my voice and started yelling, I could understand why I was thrown out of the store. I still think its unfair, but at least my friend got something positive out of it with his new Nexus.
[Nexus One General] DarkDvr:
Lol great story.

Good job dude, I would've done the same.
[Nexus One General] nexus5894:
Are you sure? I thought it was closer to 300 euros... a euro is much more than a dollar. Still, you can get it for free on Vodafone UK with contract.
[Nexus One General] uberamd:
Its not about specs. The captivate has good specs but still lags at times. For the processor it has, the iphone doesn't lag, a faster processor would make little difference. Software is what holds most things back not hardware.
[Nexus One General] RogerPodacter:
You can root and still leave everything stock. That's what modaco ROMs are for:-) you keep it stock, but still get super user access, and can change your status bar color, etc.
[Nexus One General] Dai323:
http://www.vodafone-angebote-news.d...p-bestellbar?gclid=COu1nPPBh6MCFVSP3wodjmwF5A

489 euros without contract. (ohne Vertrag= without contract). With a contract you can get it for practically nothing. Would have been nice if they would have converted the currency. 520 dollars would have been around 300 something Euros at the time.

True, but not for everything. Have you seen the Hummingbird vs Snapdragon test where it has both phones playing the FPS game side by side?? It made a MASSIVE difference. Ran at least 4 times faster. But I guess thats only important to people who game alot on their phone.
[Nexus One General] Blueman101:
The GalaxyS has a gpu also, so there cant really be a test of cpu vs cpu yet, it would be interesting to see hummingbird vs snapdragon as the only factor.
[Nexus One General] flappjaxxx:
I'm glad you have a sense of humor. Maybe you aren't a douche after all :p

I take back agreeing with the guy who called you a douche.
[Nexus One General] datboycuong:
Gotta love people that try to flame the OP by assuming a whole bunch of stuff and not knowing how to read and making up stuff based on what they read.

They have their own goggles, it's called "Drama Goggles". This is how it works:

1) You post "I got thrown out of a T-Mobile STore for dissin the Iphone 4"

Drama Goggle translate this to "I got thrown out of a T-Mobile Store because I went into the store to throw the Android Phone in everyone's face!"

2) You post "The salesperson doesn't know her stuff"

Drama Goggle translate this to "I showed the salesperson up by going Technical on her because that's the only way I know how to show people don't know their stuff"

3) You could also post "I just walked in the store and mentioned Android is just as good as any Iphone" and Drama Goggle will translate this to "I walked in the store and started trying to convince everyone to buy an Android phone and not the Iphone because if they purchase IPhone, they will not be able to root their phone and then ask 100 times on the XDA forums what to do after they have rooted their phone and what is root? Also, I told everyone in the store that if you buy an IPhone, it will cause a world war"

That is how Drama Goggle works. How do you get this app? Go to school and not learn how to read properly and live your entire life based on ASSumptions. HAHAHA LOLFAILBOAT
[Nexus One General] wdfowty:
It's funny that the people posting on an NON-APPLE forum would be so pro-iPhone...

If you sell something, whether it be cars, phones, or even crack on a corner, you NEED TO KNOW YOUR STUFF. Not only that, you need to know what/where your competition is, what they sell, and how they sell it.

Are all of you such cowards that you wouldn't stand up for something you paid for and believe in?

It seems that members here would rather flame than have a cheap, quick laugh.

Keep doin' what you're doin OP. Kudos for having balls in "enemy territory".
[Nexus One General] :
Cowards? lol

I don't take my material purchases as deeply as some of you it appears.

Last time I checked, I bought my phone because it had what I wanted, I could give three ****s if some random salesperson doesn't feel the same.
[Nexus One General] Dai323:
Drama Googles! ROFL! I like that! :)

Thanks guys. Not that I want the thread to get all violent again, but Im still glad to see people finally getting what I was trying to get across.
[Nexus One General] C.Slater:
I just wanna post to defend the op, here. I don't understand why he's supposed to be the 'douche' in all of this. He just wanted his mate to have the best phone for the money. Surely he's be a bigger douche if he encouraged his mate to get an (what he considered) inferior phone? Weird.

If the salesperson didn't know enough about the iPhone4 to persuade the customer then that's the fault of the salesperson, not the geek that just happens to know more about the hardware at hand. That's like my mate being unsure of advising me about which car I should buy because it might contradict the car salesman and for fear of being labelled a 'douche'. That's silly. The op was just sticking to his principles and being a good friend.
[Nexus One General] Dai323:
Dammit, Im not a geek! LOL :D

But thanks for understanding! I cant just stand and say nothing while people are doggin my hardware! Thats all!

And to be honest, he has the iPhone3G and 3GS, and hes VERY happy with his new Nexus. **Godfather voice.."Welcome to the family"**

:D
[Nexus One General] 3bs:
Pretty much sums it up
[Nexus One General] thisguy10:
good stuff man.
[Nexus One General] Wam7:
I wouldn't have left the store when they asked, you did nothing wrong. Don't you just loathe when people piss on your head and tell you it's raining.

I come across this thing all the time; uninformed people trying to blag it and manipulate others to their own benefit with specious information.
[Nexus One General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
You forgot the last case:

- random sales girl claims android is inferior

- drama goggles: this girl challenged me! Challenging my hardware is a personal thing, and now I will go on claiming stuff that's not even possible without root access and compare them to the locked iPhone.

As you can see there are always two sides of the story, funny that you mention people have to learn reading when you haven't even realized that the thread OP went on with an unfair comparison mentioning things that aren't even officially supported yet.

There are many points in the thread which show that the guy overreacted, but we already stated all of them. No need to go through this all again.

My opinion is: he could've handled it much cooler if he gave a short reply instead of going on a rant tour. He could still tell his friend anything he wanted before he made a purchase.

Sent from my Nexus One
[Nexus One General] mjm128:
That's the wrong move to make. They can ask you to leave for pretty much any reason, sure they may make some people mad about it. But it is their store. I'm just saying that the store had bad customer service. It's generally not good educate to diss a product that a friend of a potential customer has anyways...
[Nexus One General] Dai323:
Why thank you! :)

(my new strategy for people who cant back up their statements)

:D

**YAWN**

Read the original post. That wasnt a rant. "Mine can too"..is that really a rant to you?

Wow..such sensitive people around here :)

If the President of the United States can login to the Pentagons computer, and a hacker can also login via a different method, the end result is the same isnt it?

Pretty much voids the "with hacked software/modified kernal" arguement doesnt it? :)
[Nexus One General] soundwave9999:
Good Job

Good job on defending Android/Nexus One, the OP is so simple to understand. She attacked ( “oh you cant even compare the iPhone to any Android phone. It s just on another level”) and he defended (”when you said its on another level, could you give me an example how”?), he just stated facts, that is all. I dont know why people are flaming you..lol.. Anyways in your situation I would of done the same thing.
[Nexus One General] norazi:
wow you sound like a complete douchebag... people like you who had the iphone made other iphone owners looks bad and people like you who have an android phone make android owners look bad, thanks
[Nexus One General] deeren:
OP, I have read ur story more than 4 times on different occasions. And I end up each time with a big smile on my face.

So funny!!!!! :) and also I would have done the same thing.
[Nexus One General] Paul22000:
Love this story.

Some clueless rep spouting off ignorance without knowing the product they're selling. These peopled need to be owned.
[Nexus One General] cqms13:
older????:confused:

we're not ALL 14 yrs old:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

i'm all of 38 and have managed to root a few android devices with no major problems (despite being so old!! hahaha)
[Nexus One General] KROMO50:
Great story hahah.
[Nexus One General] khaytsus:
.........this is why we don't revive dead threads.
[Nexus One General] mhyder_79:
Lol
[Nexus One General] galaxys:
Very Dead indeed...:eek:
[Nexus One General] soundwave9999:
sorry, it was just too good not to make a comment.. i mean if it offended u or i hurt u in any way i apologize.
[Nexus One General] nexusdue:
Agreed, though I would even say that you acted like an absolute @ss.

You are a worse douchebag than those apple fanboys.

In fact ... I couldn't have said it better than this:

And - because it is sooooo funny and to the point:
[Nexus One General] galaxys:
No problem :) Yeh, it was a good one...
[Nexus One General] A-Rob-25:
Too Funny!!

Smiling and laughing out loud , Great story thanks for sharing! Very thin skinned over there?!
[Nexus One General] justclimb:
My only point here is that You should ask her for a Consumer Complain Form and maybe called the police if you consider you were treated in a aggressive maneer by the sales representatives...

At least, by doing it you would fright those retards a little bit...
[Nexus One General] krad1992:
Thanks for sharing.. Burst into laugh hahaha...

Nexus One FTW!
[Nexus One General] aboda7es:
I'm sorry, but am I the only who thinks that for the op to not appear as a "douche" he has to "pull his friend aside" and "talk 1 on 1" is kinda ridiculous? Ffs it's not like he was telling everybody in the freakin' store that the lady is stupid and doesn't know her ****. She was lying to his best friend about a phone that he owns right in front of him.

Anyway, thank you op for making me laugh.

p.s.

OP has his picture right there, below his name. You don't need a mental image. :p
[Nexus One General] nexusdue:
Now we know what the douchebag looks like
[Nexus One General] dubyajaysmith:
Ha. Thanks for sharing. I'd have to defend my baby as well. "I can share internet out of the box, with an ipad ".... "I don't care,..it's an iPhone. " I don't get it myself, to each there own I suppose.
[Nexus One General] SiL3nTKiLL:
smiling proudly :)
[Nexus One General] rumitg2:
haha its pretty funny. i dont think your a douche but it could have been handled a bit more gently. i do think tho that the lady was a moron who didnt have any motivation to succeed because she was just saying random facts about her phone.
[Nexus One General] krabman:
Just so you know, some of us old pathetic people know plenty about tech. I build my own pcs, have been flashing roms on phones for years, learned prontoeditpro to program a remote control for my home theater, tuned my corvette, the list goes on. I suspect a number of these things would surpass the abilities of many of you young whipper-snappers. iphones for older people, sheesh, give me a break. lol Just remember kids, everything you have done we have done. Twice. hehe Plus we got to drive drunk back when it was socially acceptable and considered the norm. neener neener!
[Nexus One General] Teidullie:
hilarious

thats hilarious man, good read too.
[XPERIA X10 Themes and Apps] thor2002ro:
Its out psx4droid zodttd finished it :) works great... FF VIII running smooth except theres no sound in ingame movies.... but i know them by heart so no problem form me :) glad i can replay FF VII to IX now :)

Its out on the market and various other sites....

http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-zodttd-psx-jiBDA.aspx
[XPERIA X10 Themes and Apps] majik8ball:
Wow you've got me all excited... except how did you get it to work... on the site it says Android 2.xxxx

Let me know how you got it to function... I'm so there Front Mission here i come!
[XPERIA X10 Themes and Apps] thor2002ro:
it just did... it didn't complain at all about android version....

didn't do anything special...

PS: dont forget to get a psx bios dump on the sd card... 1001 will do fine...
[XPERIA X10 Themes and Apps] majik8ball:
Sweet thanks for the heads up... i'm off to give it a try