yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] scottishdude:
Agree totally, there are only 2 threads to speak to date, if you close them then more will pop up, plus it gives a place where all our collective thoughts can be seen be the devs, just gives them more reason to keep up there hard work in my mind
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] lonelykatana:
Bahahah!:D:D:p
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] juiceppc:
Hey I checked out your photos. Pretty nice.

I'm thinking about jumping into photography as a newb. I think I want a Pentax Stormtrooper(K-x). Something new to start with. What lens would you recommend I get instead of the kit lens. I really know nothing about lens'. I'll probably just be doing general photog in low light but would like a lens that might possibly put out some higher end video/stills? I dig the depth of field range with video.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Apache0c:
I agree with this. I think this thread is a place for non-devs to talk about nand development, not in the irc chat.

mskip, how hard would it be to remove the direct irc links from the posts in this thread leaving them with only the links to the logs? Not sure if it's possible without a lot of work but that way we would not be causing any harm to the project by bumping this thread for newb discussion.

I honestly dont know how this post got into my multi-quote, I hadnt even read it until I went to make a post. But since it's here I'll answer it.

If you want camera equipment, one way to go is to use the most common hardware so that you will have the most available support. I would start here: http://www.dpreview.com/

As far as I know, Canon is still the most common with Nikon following a close second.

If you you use Canon, here is a great source of info: http://www.the-digital-picture.com/reviews/

Either way, that is a great place to learn about the dynamics of lenses since you mentioned not knowing a lot about them. He has a lot of descriptions of characteristics and photo examples.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] icsulescu:
Ex of stupidity if n00bs have access that that irc channel:

"

phildon sup dev's, any news? :P

10:57 => zycho joins

10:59 phh sounds like everyone's sleeping.

11:01 DuperMan everybody useful:P I'm up

11:01 phh thanks telling me i'm useless

11:02 DuperMan lol was hoping you won't infer that><

11:02 DuperMan got much respect to you actually, lurking as I do. sorry><

11:03 phh yeah.... i'm still writing that down, I'll need your IMEI btw to brick your phone.

11:04 DuperMan it's 5

11:04 DuperMan my IMEI is 5

11:04 phh ok

"

Respect to dev.

Regards,

Me
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] fig_jam_uk:
WTF!!!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] white-energy:
Aight lets destroy his IMEI its 5 OMG! xD That must be the best joke i heard in 2010

:D:D That was STUPID!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] trawiarz2:
today 21.32..............
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] deli_gt:
what is today ?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] lonelykatana:
What a spectacularly informative post! Well played sir :rolleyes:

:confused:

Why are there so many douche bags about? :D:p (Joke - no offence intended)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] trawiarz2:
joke.... too good to be true
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] panosg1977:
At least Cotulla is still updating magldr on a very regular basis:

http://cotulla.pp.ru/leo/Android/

Better wait than sorry, right? :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dharvey4651:
He probably just re-upped it to mess with people - seems there's a lot of that going on around here. :p

Just kidding I really have no idea nor do I genuinely care. :eek:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] icsulescu:
my friend..it was about attitude not about destroing somebody IMEI. beeing disrespectful to a dev. your reply .. is not a big diference

regards,

Me
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] panosg1977:
lol

Could be, why not :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] rr5678:
You know, speaking of fake information, look at this crock of sh*t I found on Youtube.

[YOUTUBE]BujRY_q53JI[/YOUTUBE]
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] HectiQ:
I hope one day this dream comes reality. I gave up all hope for wp7 a while ago. Much respect to the devs, even if NAND never comes, we have android running, you won't hear me complain, android makes my life easier :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Apache0c:
Welcome to the Internet, 4 months ago.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] sanderh:
I own a Desire and thinking about switching to the HD2 because I like the big screen. However, there are some things I would like to know:

- Is Android 2.2 running from the SD-card just as fast as it would be if NAND?

- Are the colors (especially the deep blacks) on the Desire (AMOLED) THAT much better then the HD2?

- Are there any more major advantages/disadvantages about making the switch from the Desire to the HD2?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jamieeeee:
if i where you i'd switch to the desire hd
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Trus:
I wish it came out, God's
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] shure2:
I have owned a TP2 and now own a HD2, I have also played with a Desire and Desire HD. I also have the official Desire HD on my SD card and played with it for a few days.

1. Recalling from memory the speed of 2.2 on the Desire HD and on the HD2 SD card is comparible, I don't think you would notice any difference - possibly just for video playback which can be stuttery (possibly because your running android from the SD and then maxing the SD card out with running a movie). The speed of this android version is truly amazing, it would beat my mates Desire no doubt.

2. When I compared the Desire HD (SLCD) to the Desire (AMOLED) the Desire did have deeper blacks, but only slightly in my opinion, and after a while you will get used to it; its not like its grey. I can't tell the difference between the SLCD and TFT of the HD2 and I don't expect they are much different.

HANDS DOWN the RGB type of the HD2 is better than the Desire's RGBG type. Even though the HD2 has less pixels per inch, the screen is far sharper than the desire's and doesn't suffer the pink hue issue.

3. They are pretty similar hardware wise; I originally thought the HD2's screen might be too big, but in fact it provides a better web experience than the smaller screens - coming from a TP2 I would definitely stick with the 4.3" in the future. The HD2 also looks better IMO! The disadvantage i guess is that android isn't yet running on NAND, so don't boot straight into android and the camera isn't working yet - but if you concider there is a high probability that we will be able to boot android from NAND soon and the camera might be fixed its worth the switch (but only if you break even when selling the Desire and buying the HD2)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] lorezz:
perfect analysis, I agree....
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] HectiQ:
I only disagree about camera.. it does work, only not in every build. HD2 runs android smooth, see all comparing tests done with quadrant. The only negative on the hd2 is signal strenght.. I used a dozen radios, but I never have as much signal as in winmo. Maybe thats just me.

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[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] panosg1977:
Android does not run of the SD card on the HD2. It uses the SD card to load the Linux kernel to the volatile memory, which is the phone itself. Whatever incompatibilities between Android and the HD2 arise from driver issues and whatever junk WM leaves behind depending on your ROM.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] shuntje:
As far as i understand it wil keep using the SD card to load modules and just about every file from android.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] panosg1977:
To simplify things a bit:

- The Android file system as well as a compressed image of the Linux kernel are stored in the SD card, as well as HARET, CLRCAD etc.

- When you load Android, the Linux kernel is loaded into the phone's volatile memory and runs from there as well as Android itself.

- Any changes you make are stored in your SD card.

- Each time you reboot the same procedure takes place.

Basically, I find it a lot more convenient to be able to use the SD card as the non-volatile memory instead of the phone's one. And that is why booting from NAND won't make things that much faster ;)

Also, have a look at the following post which is a must:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=8279218&postcount=1
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] zarathustrax:
Exactly right... I don't think most people understand this. I think most are assuming that when android can be booted from nand that its going to greatly improve speed and solve a lot of issues, but it won't. I'm sure it'll help a little in some cases, but not enough that I think it would be worth turning my dual booting superphone into just another android phone, and a buggy one at that. Nand may even cause more bugs at first because new drivers have to be used to initialize the hardware that currently winmo does for us. We'll have to wait and see. I would love to have both winmo and android on nand if that is possible.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] andrewf403:
Truth is that this post ( http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=8279218&postcount=1 ) perfectly states why Android on HD2 will be better after we get NAND boot.

For now Android relies on WM to initialize devices. So it's basically closes its eyes and performs a leap of faith, hoping that everything will be working as expected. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't.

On other hand, when Android will be booted from the NAND, it will have to initialize all devices itself. With the drivers written specifically for HD2 and Android.

Yes, they will be not so polished as drivers written by HTC for WM, but after some time and debugging they will be good, and anyway better that situation now.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] aszu:
No, it can't be done. At this point Linux/Android kernel cannot even see and access NAND memory. During early init it just mounts SD card and expects all the data to be there.

Further work on NAND support in kernel is required.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] barbapappa_86:
Change your WinMo ROM. Try Energys light ROM. Worked for me.

EDIT: Your issue is not related to the thread. Should been asked in another thread :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] njlpowell42:
Hmmm... Interesting, I wish I knew more about programming and I would help! :rolleyes:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] msnuser111:
if you end up getting anything that seems like it might work,I'll test it,I bought an hd2 on ebay with a cracked digitizer for cheaper than most g1s so I would be willing to experiment with it.as far as I know everything works on mine,it was only a few days old and was dropped which cracked the screen.touch still works.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dulexetina:
Does anyone have some link or whatever to track progress of porting nand boot to hd2- if it will be possible to port ... ? thanx
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] maseo:
Do you even bother to read previous posts ?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] eddym123:
Hey I My tmobile HD2 phone has 512 ram but I see that it has 1gb Rom is that the same this as ram?

What is it used for?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] MvP77:
you do know what ram stands for?? Thats very basic info.

Google is a great thing...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] boyhandsome:
Yes, that is it .
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] nzxtneo:
Cotulla mentioned a few days ago in another thread that he (among others I presume) would start looking into installing Android on the NAND in September. If anyone can get it done, it would be him!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] 11calcal:
Apparently he's made some breakthroughs but is working on it constantly. Bet he's sorry he said a September launch as he now has his work cut out to try to meet his own deadlines.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dulexetina:
wow the thread was dead for a...month or whatever... its not important how dumb my previous post was-i achived what i wanted-waked up :P

thanx about info all,i think that cotulla will make it happen,time is not much important for us who just seat around... my birthday is in september,so this would be a beautiful gift :D

great work !!!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] apocalypse333:
Firstly I'd just like to thank all the people hard at work at xda, you guys have done some breakthrough work time and time again.

Secondly, I'm heading overseas in a bit and need to pickup a phone before doing so (as they are way overpriced where I'm headed). I'm definitely sold on Android, but the prices are very high, and there is no gsm phone with a 4.3 inch screen at the moment.

Do you think I should get the HD2 with the hopes of one day flashing a stable Android 2.2 rom to the nand. I've search and found different reports about the speed and sluggy nature on Android on the HD2, as well as some hardware problems.

Please, I would just like some advice from the experts if they see the hd2 as a good android phone to get.

thanks
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] steel69:
wait for the htc desire hd thats coming out any soon
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dulexetina:
we are all waiting to see what is gonna happen with nand port on hd2,cause i seen some posts that "haret" boot and "nand" are not same for modding ?!!?!?!?! Hd2 is great phone,i cant say its not important which os it has-but its great anyway :)

cut the story short-* wait few days more and see the comments of (i hope so)soon ported nand rom :D

Cheers !
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] hoss_n2:
does the NAND flash add 16m color support for screen or it can be achieved eith dual boot also as allot of widgets and pictures looks very bad on android with the 65k limitations
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jigners:
excellent point here mate! we all love a phone with two OS's its like having

2 gorgeous girlfriends at the same time!!:p
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] qingcai:
nand rom won't improve the performance, but maybe will improve the power consuming!!!.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] xmRipper:
HD2's screen is 65K. It can not be changed by OS.

Buy a HTC Desire if you want more colors.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] hoss_n2:
i think it is a software limitation because of windows not a hardware limitation ,
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] brunswick000:
Nicely written and very informative. Thank you. Learned a lot.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] :
magldr is out

just saw magldr.rar on cotulla.pp.ru was updated yesterday evening

edit: there still is a password, i'm really sorry for the confusion, i was at

the wiesn in munich and viewed the archive using android rar-tool which doesnt

recognize pw-protected archives correctly.

please continue bashing on me for this, i really enjoy seeing you all jump as one

blows the whistle lol
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] HectiQ:
Don't.. wait untill the dev announces

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[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] buffalowings:
the main reason im looking for NAND is the battery life. would the battery life be the same as WinMo if android is running off NAND?

i get much better battery life on winmo than on android(running on sd)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] StephanV:
Some dude here did some research on the effect of different SD cards on battery life, and found out there's quite a difference. I think people who have 'bad' cards (not necessarily slow or cheap cards) will experience better battery life, but people with good cards won't (or just a tiny bit).
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Neolo:
Where are you see that password is gone? It is still exist, just try to extract it and you'll see it. lol
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Crusoe86:
Maybe a n00b :p

Or its now a new one online, because cotulla forgot to set the password :p
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] :
my bad, please blame it on the wiesn!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Don001:
Ok not to sure what to make of this, I'm sure its just some inner joke or something but this is the latest from the IRC Log:

21:37	Rajko	hey fakker nand is complete, areyou the one to congradulate ?

21:37	fakker	no

21:37	fakker	was not me

21:37	fakker	i did wifi/screen/ts/etc

21:37	fakker	not nand

21:37	fakker	LOL

hmm, is Rajko just messing around or its completed and i just havnt heard about it?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] pack21:
They did it!

:D:D:D:D:D

they fix the Wifi in NAND.....now all stuff worKs!!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Don001:
Dude you just posted what i posted lol but nevermind, I honestly can't wait until its released!!!! :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] M..N:
WIFI has not been fixed, it is only working for cotulla but not for others.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] pack21:
yes....but now works for all Devs!!:D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] pack21:
sorry! i didnt saw.;)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] M..N:
no it doesnt only for cotulla, fakker was only joking
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Don001:
It's cool man, so if i read correctly, all that wasn't working was wifi, now that's sorted, were approaching the release or whats left, haven't been following IRC log in the last week?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] pack21:
yeap...the wifi was the big issue.

that's his problem, not mine, the devs do not usually play with serious things.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Don001:
Nice! Guess now its just a matter of patience and waiting for the release date :D

I didn't know I would get excited by such a thing lol
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] M..N:
im trying to say wifi is not working on nand it doesnt work
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] rajkosto:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7d8tWCBHIdU&fmt=22

made this thing to return me to stable once i mess up

since androidflasher in magldr seems to be taking its sweet time
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] zarathustrax:
Wow... you people need to relax, be patient, and stop jumping the gun by claiming things you don't know to be true. That irc conversation looks like a joke that you're taking out of context and taking seriously. The devs will let us know when nand is ready.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] DeToNaToR85:
Thanks Rajkosto

Rajkosto thank you for the video of you installing android on your HD2.

I believe that there is a long way to go but it looks fantastic. I hope to hear from you and the other developers soon to hear that NAND is a fact. Then i can do where i am best in. flash the *****!!! :):):)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Samsunguy:
rajkosto your amazing. now explain why you have to choose somthing before you boot android. and is it true is wifi really working?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] atoore:
The wifi is not working yet guys, it only works for cotulla because he has different clock values...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Samsunguy:
just wondering when they did the port to nand for the htc kaiser did all the android builds they had for it originally work when using it for nand because i would like to use a build from darkstone since he has good desire builds.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] eenbox:
Proud of you Rajko!!! Samo napred!!!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] zarathustrax:
Why don't you just go to the kaiser forums and search. It actually doesn't matter anyways, as the kaiser and hd2 are doing nand a completely different way. The hd2 is going to be using a custom loader to use nand, so the answer for the kaiser might not be the answer for the hd2.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Apache0c:
:eek: That looks awesome! I'm not sure what it is but it looks awesome! :p
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mirakle:
I'm not sure of what really happens on screen, but it seems that you can revert to a stable state in case of "bad flash". And it therefore looks pretty good. :D

note: for your videos, you can skip the android setup on first boot by not clicking the robot and touching the four corners of screen. but I'm sure you know it anyway...:o

http://androidmixer.com/skip-the-android-setup-tutorial-video/
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] rajkosto:
it flashes from sd using linux, thats all it is.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] john_matrix:
Thank you Rajkosto to share your videos with us ;)

It was amazing!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] HectiQ:
To bad this video has been speed up.. I really thought for a moment that it was superfast.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] FrAsErTaG:
All his videos appear to be sped up...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Bingoig11:
And they are...

The aim of these videos is not to show how fast it is but that it works...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] lonelykatana:
Are you honestly telling me you dont have half an hour to spend letting it flash?!

Android its self runs at perfect speed...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] rajkosto:
only 2 of them are sped up, the ones booting android from nand partitions are not
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] pack21:
Irc news:

The issue of Wifi is on SD card.....lol
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] john_matrix:
WTF?! xD

I read IRC log and they talk about different brands of SDCard.

Is that mean that Wifi is working dependant of the SDCard brand??
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] pack21:
Yeap....its about the speed of SD card.

Lol

Lol
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] thatruth132:
19:43	luc__	i also have sandisk class 2...so i can test nand :)

19:44	tfouto_	it cam make... different speeds, irc, etc...

19:45	camro|away	thanks, Cotulla

19:45	camro|away	i let now test all users, hoperfully it is working for all
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] pack21:
Oh boy! Now NAND is on the way.

I can't wait to try the NAND and make my own vid of that.

NAND, comes to dad.....comes babe.....

:)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] thatruth132:
lmao your crazy lol :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] trawiarz2:
.....Today?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] pack21:
Lol

Not Imao, but

irmão = brother

irmã = sister
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] thatruth132:
l.m.a.o. = means laugh my ass off :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] M..N:
first of all it is not being released to all users to test, only private testers atm, Camro is working on HTC Blackstone and was talking about that and not NAND on the HD2
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] thatruth132:
is this the MN from irc
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] M..N:
nope i just read the logs, i dont talk, dont even really know how to connect to the IRC lol