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[Captivate General] enokoelite:
Can I just point something out?

You can't blanket everyone and say one is best because you will never be right. As someone coming from an iPhone 3G I can say this. My iPhone? Worked. Everything about it. I picked it up and immediately I could do everything I wanted. It was easy. But. It was so BORING.

The thing about this argument is that it has nothing to do with which OS is better. Its which is better for the specific person. I owned that iPhone for 7 months and hated every minute of it. Then I got a Captivate and not gonna lie. I was so frustrated for the first two days I owned it I entertained the idea of returning it. But then I decided to look online to see if my problems could be fixed. I fixed EVERY, SINGLE problem I had within....half an hour. And now I wouldn't give it up for 100 iPhones. This is the way I think of it.

iPhone = Will do what you want it to do in the most boring way possible but it will get it done. (Reminds me of Mac OSX)

Android = Takes some work and a little know how to get all working but once its all working it trumps all the competitors. (Reminds me of Linux)

Thats the way I think about it.
[Captivate General] Intervenient:
Agree and disagree. The bad Android fanboys are 1000X worse than any Apple fanboy...however these are harder to find than the bad Apple fan boy, which I would say is 85%-90% of there demographics. Most Android users are very helpful people, and while they might get elitist sometimes, they can't compare to the sheer numbers of Apple douche bags. Just take a look at the monstrosity that is the macrumors forums.
[Captivate General] carporsche:
Exactly my opinion...

Apple gets things done in its own way. it doesn't want you to interfere..

Walled garden approach....

Linux and android , sky is the limit as to wat you can do, bcoz everything is right there , given to you!.. thats wat i like!!.. i can learn soo much
[Captivate General] enokoelite:
You and AJerman are kind of saying the same thing. However I can say from experience. The apple forums? Filled with d-bags. I mean there will always be some on every forum (seen a few on XDA) but from what I have seen so far this is a much better community then the iPhone forums if you ask me.
[Captivate General] hbkmog:
I feel like OP is just beating the strawman, the shadow enemy.

No one in this forum mentioned "but my iphone..." blah blah blah. People here are simply talking about Captivate. Why even bother bringing up iphone? If you don't like something, just simply ignore it or say those things right to the face of the douchbags. What's the point of bashing iphone and iphone fanboys while nobody here cares about them?

The point here is this is a Captivate forum. There's no need to incite flames and waste resource and time of people here.
[Captivate General] caelestis2:
You haven't been tracking the forum enough if you didn't see even the people complain about this phone versus iphone
[Captivate General] AJerman:
And perhaps it is, but with topics like this, it won't be for long. I don't even see why this needs to be a discussion. If you want to show Apple fanboys how much better you are, then be the bigger man and stop talking **** about the iPhone on a forum where no iPhone owners are. (and that's not directed at you, just in general)
[Captivate General] hbkmog:
Exactly my point, as much as I don't care about iphone, people should stop beating the dead horse and focus on the phone you OWN right now. Even if there's an impulse to bash them, say it in front of them or in their forum instead of making a pointless thread somewhere there's nearly no iphone users.
[Captivate General] enokoelite:
Agreed. And my I just say. This phone is truly incredible.
[Captivate General] systoxity:
he's just venting. id rather him do that here than bring a gun to work lol
[Captivate General] uberamd:
Seriously? I find this to be a major problem with a lot of Android users, they think that just because someone likes Apple products it means they are some how being brainwashed or caught under a spell. What the heck is that all about? The iPhone is a good phone and it is stable, just because Android is good doesn't mean the iPhone can't also have its benefits. Believe it or not, there are people who actually like the iPhone and it has nothing to do with being caught under a spell.

Its this kind of thinking that makes me furious at the Android community. Acting like the fact that we can put widgets on our devices makes us some elite group. Thats bogus. Sure, my Motorola Milestone has widgets, but it also has a locked bootloader so I can't customize the phone any more than Motorola wanted me to. No custom roms. Nothing. Is that better than the iPhone? No, its not.

Each platform has its merits, and as someone who owns 3 Android phones but has also owned all 4 iterations of the iPhone I can say that with confidence. And iPhone applications are 5000 times better than Android equivalents in both quality and polish, so we Android users are not really the most elite group of people in the phone market.

You echo everything I feel.

Android fanboys have become the most rabid group of people on the interent

There is too much self-patting on the back

There is too much trying to convert people

There is too much hate towards iPhone owners

There is simply too much elitism

Thats not to say that iPhone fanboys aren't bad also, but Android users have taken the cake as the most annoying group on the internet. I frequent Mac forums, and there is often discussion by iPhone owners about cool things Android has that they wish the iPhone had (such as widgets). If anyone ever mentions an iPhone feature that it wishes Android had (like a more polished UI or more consistent update releases for all devices) the commenter gets flamed and buried immediately on Android forums.

The issue isn't black and white. When it comes to Android and iOS, NEITHER platform is better than the other. Each platform has its benefits! Android is more open and has nice things like Widgets. iOS is much more polished as far as games and apps go and doesn't suffer from "It works on the Nexus but not on the Droid" fragmentation. This "my platform is better than yours" war is sad and pathetic. Each phone is owned by a corporation! If you think they are making devices because they love you, I feel sorry for you.

They all just want your money!
[Captivate General] TexUs:
I think it's also due to the fact the more technically savvy and technically intelligent people are going to Android, for the obvious reasons.

The less tech savvy and less technically intelligent crowd is going Apple.

I think the Android community is justified somewhat in that... You don't have to utilize the full Android capabilities. A Captivate works just as well as the iPhone out of the box, and it's just as simple to operate. Different, but just as simple.

The explanation for this is of course fear of change. 77% of Apple customers (and that number grows larger with each launch) are return customers. Which means Apple did hit it out of the park with the original iPhone...

Well, those people, even though there are better users, have paid for apps, they know how to work it... They just don't want to change. Natural human behavior is to defend what you chose. I think deep down most Apple fans know there's better devices they just can't admit it.
[Captivate General] uberamd:
No, thats where you're wrong. You cannot possibly think that Android is best for everyone. What if this person wants a phone that has the best gaming experience? Do they pick Android? No. Want if this person wants a phone that has the best quality applications in a store where it is easy to find quality items? Do they pick Android? No. Android isn't there yet. And for every 1 amazing Android game I will show you 50 iPhone games that are better quality. Android is getting better, but it isn't there yet. I rarely hear any Android people dispute that.

You make Apple customers out to be a blind group of followers who are aware there are better devices but refuse to change. That is absolutely a BS comment on your part. Apple customers (for the most part) use devices that THEY LIKE. Maybe you are unable to understand why many Apple customers like their phones, but they don't need to explain their reasoning to you!

Quit with the Android elitest attitude please. Each platform has its merits and for you to say that Apple users won't admit there are better devices is bogus. Who are you to say what is and isn't better? Do you know what their needs and expectations of the phone are? No, so quit with those comments. Thats incredibly annoying.

I use a 17" MacBook Pro and I hear from people all the time that "there is better hardware out there for me." Oh really? How on earth does anyone know what my needs are? OS X is a major part of my liking of Apple hardware, so that factors in when buying a computer. Thats just like people who enjoy iOS, that factors into how they feel about their device.

Ugh, seriously TexUs?
[Captivate General] TexUs:
Don't disagree with that. I said MOST, did I not? I did not say ALL.

So you're saying none of them are locked into it because of purchased products, as it becomes an INVESTMENT????

I can call BS on that right now because it happens. When you spend hundreds on a vehicle interface, a hundred bucks on your apps, hundreds for music (at least iTunes isn't DRM much anymore), a hundred on accessories... It becomes an investment of which you lose big $$$ if you switch.

These people know there's stuff better: I've seen them drool over my Captivate. But they've got to defend their investment: this is human nature.

What's incredibly annoying is people like you that obviously haven't dealt with rabid fanboys...

I had iPhone fanboys tell me that nobody needed cut/copy/paste and that's why Apple didn't include it.

I had iPhone fanboys tell me MMS was over-rated and nobody needed it.

I had iPhone fanboys tell me nobody wanted multitasking.

I had iPhone fanboys tell me that the ability to video record was NBD.

I had iPhone fanboys tell me Exchange support wasn't something that was necessary and would never be used.

The list goes on. These people are in total denial and praise all things Apple. Then when their phones get them it's suddenly a magical and revolutionary new feature that only Apple could have created.

The current arguments? Nobody cares about an FM Tuner (Even though Apple has had one since the old model, just never turned on), and that retina display which is a large waste of money (you've got to hold it 8" or closer to benefit from that resolution... math based on what human eyes can see) is somehow superior just because the tech is there, even though in real-world usage it's useless.

Because for the same amount of money you can gain better hardware outside of the Apple world. Honestly that's not rocket science, there's BETTER hardware out there for you. If you like OS X, then that's fine.

This is the perfect example of defending something even if you're wrong. Superior hardware exists. You're just LIMITED BY OS X and are now defending it due to that reason.

Again, if you like OS X, then that's fine... Using the OS to justify the hardware is just LOL...

Apple users usually fit into one of a few categories:

1) Blind sheep

2) People too invested in Apple hardware to give it up, resulting in defense of their investment

3) People too ignorant of what else really exists (call this peer pressure, hip, cool, whatever)

4) People that freely have the ability to chose

The majority of them belong in 2 and 3. The folks in 4 are the ones now dumping the iPhone for the Captivate, but the folks in 4 are few (evidenced by the 77% return buyer rate... Most of Apple's purchasers are their loyal followers).
[Captivate General] TexUs:
Perfect demonstration of what many here are talking about. Thank you.
[Captivate General] uberamd:
I ask you for stats and you reply with that, entirely what I expected.

On a serious note, I am simply saying that while Android is awesome, and the hardware is absolutely wonderful as well we can't be blind to the fact that there are other platforms out there and different people like different things, thats all.

A rabid fanboy is someone who fails to recognize the strengths of a different platform and thinks that everyone should use what they use. It is possible to have comparisons to the iPhone without it turning into a shouting match and p*ssing contest.

In the end the iPhone is as good for Android as Android is for the iPhone. Each platform is causing the other to evolve and grow and an amazing rate, and comparing the strengths and weaknesses of each is a good thing to do, as long as some bias can be removed so people don't get an elitist attitude.
[Captivate General] designgears:
I went from an iPhone4 to the captivate, does everything it can and more... completely satisfied with the switch.

ex-iphone-fanboy here!
[Captivate General] AJerman:
If by perfect example, you mean most of his quotes, then yes, you are correct. Your comments are, just as he said, very elitest. You have the typical fanboy thought process of your opinion is right and everyone else just isn't as enlightened as you. It's quite amusing to me to see fanboys complain about fanboys.

In the end, I would take a Captivate or an iPhone 4 with no complaint over either one. Both are VERY nice devices, both have pluses, both have minuses. I've had an iPhone for 2 years, and a cracked screen from where I hit it one time is proof of how frustrating it could be at times (mainly because of how slow the 3G was), but the Captivate has been just as frustrating itself sometimes.
[Captivate General] KryptosXLayer2:
Okay, while I really don't want to get in the middle of all this, I HAD to comment on the two points you made here!!!!

It is apparent you don't use a smartphone for what it is truly intended for, so please, send all your smartphones overseas to our troops who will get more use out of the phones than you obviously do. If you don't copy / paste many times on a daily basis, I don't see how you could be doing anymore than dialing, YouTubing, and light sabering.

See, that's where you're stuck in your dependency on Apple products. Do you NEED an LED screen? Do you NEED a backlit keyboard? And for the main question......... do you REALLY and TRULY NEED your laptop to be 1" thick to fit in your bag with all your books? Seriously, and I'm being completely and utterly serious about this - stop for a second and think about how pitiful it sounds for people to NEED all that crap when it comes to a laptop. I made due in college with a used laptop that was probably 2" thick and had to carry around a separate bag just to hold it and the power cord. I have my bachelor's degree now, same as you will (or have if you are in grad school now), so what's the big deal?

So please, don't start giving me all the reasons why people NEED their Apple equipment. It makes me sick thinking about all the folks who talk about their Apple devices like the form of them completely overrides function. You can buy the same laptop you mentioned, 17" screen, Core i5, 4GB of RAM, 500GB hard drive, without all that useless "necessities" for under $600 everyday of the week at Tiger Direct or CompUSA (former Comp employee of 3 whole months, haha). So you're telling me the other $1300+ you spent on that silly Mac-in-trash went to what, the LED screen, the super cool keyboard, and the fact that they engineered a way to fit it all in such a thin package??? What a waste and what a shame that this country has come to this way of thinking when there are so many more important things to use that money for........

I'M A PC, by the way, and a former long-time WinMo user!
[Captivate General] KryptosXLayer2:
I couldn't resist, one more!

Since you love to see links and proven citations, how about RETINA DISPLAY being explained by a PhD in Theoretical Physics from Princeton University on PC World?

http://www.pcworld.com/article/198402/does_the_iphone_4_really_have_a_retina_display_updated.html

Nice, definitely, but seeing them side-by-side with my Captivate and having had lasik surgery, I cannot say that the iPhone4 is "hands down better than any other screen out there" as you say
[Captivate General] TexUs:
Very well then.

You're talking about the original release/wave. If you were actually following the conversation you'd realize I'm talking about continued purchases, not initial.

Likewise, there's no way you can not say there's no way as you're pulling that out of your butt.

Congratulations. I had more issues with my 3GS than my Captivate.

I find it humorous you're still trying to justify the initial lack of it even after they ended up adding it.

The same person that told me that, has sent me an MMS every day now. Try again. It's only a "useful" feature with Jesus Jobs gives it to you.

You're saying a non-technical person has never wanted to leave a game or Pandora running while answering a text?

Get real. Just because they don't know the terminology doesn't mean it's not a sorely lacking feature.

No, because Android actually has those features.

Copy and paste is a PITA on the iPhone, I'd hardly put them on the pedestal. WinMo has the best implementation of it I've seen, but those were back in the stylus days.

How hard is Menu-Select Text while in the browser to do????? Android's is much easier than the iPhone's. Though both suck.

Really? That's why it's the #1 most requested feature among iPhone users, eh?

I guess if Steve Jobs has told you it'd be pointless, well, then that's what you've got to think, right?

Really? Because math (facts) disagree with you unless you hold it un-naturally close.

I bought one of those laptops (An M1330) TWO YEARS AGO for $1200. And it came with 4 years of warranty with accidental damage protection. I guess Apple doesn't feel like they can warrant their devices past three years or at the level Dell does... Guess they don't expect them to last long.

Regardless, you can find what you're looking for for a third of the price.

If something slightly thinner and trendier is still desired, it still can be had for under half the cost.

Sorry but Apple price-raped you.

77% of iPhone 4 sales were upgrades

Of course, if Steve Jobs hasn't put CNN on his censor-free list, perhaps you won't like what you find.

That's why I still have a 3GS, right? Surely it's cuz I'm an Android fanboy :rolleyes:

I'm just not a blind sheep follower that doesn't see the huge shortcomings of Apple's platform.

The only argument it used to have was "ease of use"... Well, the Captivate works just fine out of the box. You could argue about GPS issues but lest you forget the iPhone didn't even HAVE a real GPS to start with and had plenty of missing features and bugs itself.
[Captivate General] tysj:
Everyone just needs to shut the **** up
[Captivate General] TexUs:
Thanks for your opinion. Nobody forced you to read the thread.
[Captivate General] echoside:
What apple did and I give them props for is made a smartphone that people that aren't tech savvy can use. And made it almost impossible to screw up the os. That being said after people that aren't very tech savvy get the iPhone and are able to use it they think hey this is easy I know how to use smartphones!! Then they come to android thinking they know what they are doing screw it up and then talk about how the phone sucks and go back to the iPhone. I have no problem with the iPhone its a nice phone I owned one for awhile but I missed android so I switched back. But I think it gives people the idea that since they can use it they can use any smartphone.

Look at all the people that screw up jailbreaking....its very very simple....
[Captivate General] caelestis2:
Stop arguing with iPhone users. They are too blind to see the light.

The only thing I love about the iPhone is it giving competitive birth to android.
[Captivate General] YellowGTO:
Here is a laptop slight over half an inch larger but tons more power.

http://laptops.toshiba.com/laptops/qosmio/X500

I was in college and had no prob with a 2in laptop. You have a nice screen but you hardware is subpar for 1900 dollars.

Seeing both the IP4 and the Captivate I will say the IP4 is a bit sharper, but AMOLED killer.... nah I don't think so. You forget the AMOLED is about battery saving.

Now on to Apple hardware, i'm sorry if you buy an Apple PC you've been ripped off. You can install OSX on PC hardware for a fraction of the cost. Google it.

Iphone, yeah its a decent phone for an end user. IE: If my mother showed up to my house with an Iphone I would say good for you. On the Dev/Hack/Mod side and Iphone can't hold candle to Android or even WinMo.
[Captivate General] TexUs:
Two things...

1) Android is easy to use out of the box, too. It's no more difficult than the iPhone OS is... Nobody forces people to root their phone or anything, stock works just fine.

2) The iPhone was never a smartphone until iOS4 (that's largely due to multitasking)... It has only been a featurephone.

The fact that iOS4 isn't real multitasking also is enough grounds for not even considering it a smartphone yet. However that's a gray line I can see both sides of.
[Captivate General] uberamd:
Seriously? Android copy/paste implementation is pathetic. And I am not even going to comment on you thinking I don't use my smartphone properly, because thats a pathetic comment on your part.

I prefer a nice screen on a system that both my job and my school work rely on.

When you live and share a room with other people, having a keyboard that is backlit helps me work on homework at night without disturbing others who are trying to sleep.

Uh, yeah actually I do. I have a ton of books to carry around on a daily basis and having a thick laptop takes up too much space in my backpack. Having a thin laptop makes my life easier. I didn't even mention the fact that my battery lasts 8 hours which is also very important considering the fact that my college requires you to always have your laptop with you in class.

Sorry, but I'm not going to start carrying extra bags because my backpack can't fit the things I need on a daily basis.

The big deal is that I am willing to pay a bit more for a reliable computer that makes my life easier. I value my time and need a reliable system that won't fail on me during midterms.

Form doesn't override function, but my laptop has BOTH form and function which I value a lot. It makes me sick thinking about the fact that what I spend my hard earned money on is in any way your business.

More important than having a reliable system that will last me years and still have incredible resale value when I am done with it? Really? Wow, you are very shortsighted.

Let me put some costs in perspective:

A college credit is around $375

That means PER SEMESTER I am paying $5625 just for classes alone

Per semester I average a cost of $550 in books

I am paying $450 a month to live in a 3 bedroom apartment with 4 other people

That means PER YEAR I am paying $3600 in housing + $11270 in credits + $1100 in books, or a total of: $15,970. Multiply that times 4 and you have my college career, not accounting for the increase every year. And my laptop is required every single day for school. So does it make sense to cut corners when laptop shopping when I am paying near $16000 a year for school not counting a car, insurance, food, and activities during the weekend?

Oh, and I looked at TigerDirect. The i5 with the 1920x1080 LCD (which isn't as good as my 1920x1200) is $1,150. Thats a difference of what, $750? How much resale value will that thing have in 2-3 years? A few hundred? My Dell E1505 that I paid $1800 for in 2006 was worth $450 when I sold it 2 years later, in perfect condition. My MacBook Pro? It will be worth near $1000 still.
[Captivate General] asrrin29:
http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/s...lp/psg/notebooks/High_performance/dv8t_series

I mean seriously, I didn't even bother to go out and actually look for a deal. This is the stock high end computer and it has the same or better specs than your macbook at almost half the price.