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[Galaxy S I9000 General] eaglesteve:
There is some important points to be aware of, and most iPhone users are not aware of these points:

- If you want "true" multitasking, you must jailbreak and use backgrounder. All third party applications could then multitask. However, even that will not have two applications with audio running simultaneously. So, you can't have radio and music playing at the same time. The one in the background must pause.

- To be eligible for multitasking under iOS4 third party applications must specifically enable so. If not, you can only multitask them with jail breaking.

- if an application has been enabled for multitasking under iOS4, then backgrounder application in a jailbroken phone offers the option of letting user select the method of multitasking. The choices are to either multitask this application the "true" way as it always did prior to iOS4, or the iOS4 way (which means you don't start your applications from the beginning, but when in background, only certain processes such as GPS, VOIP, downloading, audio are running), or to automatically select the method, which means that if the application has been enabled for iOS4 multitasking then that mode will be used, otherwise it will multitask the "true" way.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] eaglesteve:
Sorry I'm not aware of such customization possibility yet. But i would like to request for such tools so that multitasking in Android can be more easily performed. One thing about using back button for quitting application is that I find it goes to a different screen of the same application rather than the previous application, so it can be confusing. Sometime back button merely get rid of a pop up message but does not seem to quit the application.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] bushbox browser:
You can't really get more simple than the os doing everything for you though. The point with android is you don't think about things like multi-tasking and just use your phone. Can't get more simple and elegant than that.

There is no need for a task manager like ios as you just open the apps you want without worrying about closing apps, or what's open and what's not.

ios on the other hand uses sudo multi-tasking, the apps don't actually stay open. I'm sure this works well but it has it's limitations. So when you close an app in ios task manager, you are not actually closing the app as it is already closed, essentialy you are just removing the icon from the drawer.

Android's system is far better. Why have a task manager when you don't need one, and especially when you only use sudo multi-tasking so the apps in the task manager are not even open at all.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] eaglesteve:
Both Android and iOS4 are exactly the same in saying that nobody shoud have to manually close an application. Both advocates that you let the OS close it when resources are insufficient. For iOS4, most of the application merely save the state where you left off, so it is not actually active, but with some exceptions: GPS, VOIP, audio playing, downloading, etc.

However, I personally do not find it to my liking. If I've been using say TomTom navigation software and have just completed a trip, and know that I wont be using it again in the next few days, I would rather be able to long press the home key to completely stop it, instead of just pressing the home key to keep it running in the background.

bushbox browser, this is not how it works, based on what I was told. If you have removed the icon from the multitasking dock, then come back to launch the application, it will start from the beginning rather than where you last left of. This was a question that I asked and was told the answer. Therefore, it is capable of stopping the task from running there, not merely removing the icon from the drawer.

Hope that helps to clear up the misconception.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] sany:
thanks all, it is really comforting enough to see comments from knowledgeable people in the forum who are really researching with the apps and how they work.

My only concern is that nothing in the background should slowdown the performance by hogging the resource. As long as it is taken care off that is fine.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] eaglesteve:
My concern is the same as yours too. Unfortunately, I'm personally of the view that allowing so many applicaitons to be kept alive DO hog resources and slow things down. Therefore I'm using the task killer on my SGS to manage it. I'm using a task killer that also kill itself after killing off the unwanted task, so that itself would not be taking more resources (or at least that's how I hope would turn out).

Then the other aspect of multitasking is the user interface or how we effect:

- showing all live applications (not just most recent 6 applications), to swith there. As I said, I've notice that on my SGS, if left alone, typically have 20 to 30 applications live. The long press of the home button showing just 6 of them is not exactly a workable way to switch, is it?

- then, there is an issue of being given the freedom to truely quit an application rather than minimise it to the background, and here Android's as well as iOS4's design leaves much to be desired IMO. They both need to learn from jailbroken iPhone's backgrounder.

- finally, I believe Android as an OS could improve by having a true task manager showing applications which are truely alive, thus allowing switching to them, as well as allowing quitting of the listed applications. Yes, if user want to let the OS manage it they could just leave the list alone and not quit it, but freedom should be given to users to do so.

That's the reason I much prefer the jailbroken iPhone's method of multitasking (especially when using the Circuitous method of task switching) over iOS4 as well as Android's.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Mikulec:
This is like a neverending story, when I had WM phone everybody was b*tching about the way he have to go to task manager and close apps and always look for tha apps that are running. Now I have android which is doing everything on its own, u dont have to care about running apps and now is everybody dreaming about iPhonish multitasking. Did I land on Mars here?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] eaglesteve:
It's true that winmo way of multitasking consumes a lot of resources, but in the aspect of task switching, task termination, I actually love the way it is done in winmo, when using a product called Wktask. http://soft.photoracer.net/docs/wktask_en.html I think it is better than non-jailbroken iOS4 as well as Android's.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] bushbox browser:
That's what I ment, I was refering to the op who suggested that ios handles multi-tasking better, they both manage multi-tasking just in different ways.

But the app isn't open, it may start from the start when you open it next but it wasn't open as no apps are open apart from the foreground app. That's what I ment with my post.

With ios no apps runs in the background, even if it seems like there still running, any process that need to carry on when an app is closed gets passed over to the os to take care of, that's why there are only set processes that are allowed and are available through api's in the os.

This is how the os was explained as work at the press conference regarding the os by the head developer.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] eaglesteve:
I rooted my phone yesterday, to enable screen capture.

Today, after talking to the Optus shop guys, I ranted about how slow the phone was and that it has a non-working GPS, and he asked me to bring my phone in for an exchange.

I knew I should restore the phone to the factory condition before doing so.

So, I hard reset the phone, and lo and behold, the rooting is still there, and my music, photo, videos are all there to my surprise. The applications, contact details, calendar, were all gone though.

Now, I would like to unroot the phone, but I understand that I need an Odin3 file.

Where can I get the Odin3 file which allows me to flash back to the Optus Australia firmware?

Anyone know?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] larryccf:
it wasn't that long ago that someone right on this forum offered a copy of the original firmware file on his OPTUS galaxy

do a search - he actually had the words Optus and i believe australia in the title
[Galaxy S I9000 General] eaglesteve:
I did. He made a mistake. So he doesn't have it actually.

I wonder the backup should have been done before or after rooting. Any technical guru here who can help?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] sany:
I was trying to copy a set of wordings from a html page to paste it into the address bar but could not succeed with the selection which I tried to move my fingers over the text on the page but nothing gets highlighted for me to do something similar on a PC where we (after highlighting) right click and select copy and paste it anywhere we want - anything similar in this?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] al74:
In th e browser press menu, more, and choose select text.
[Droid X Android Development] anaphora68:
I'm trying to use the DDMS tool on Linux, and I need the vendor ID for the Droid X. Anyone have any luck figuring out what it is?
[Droid X Android Development] billygalbreath:
have you tried reading the output of "lsusb -vvv" while the device is plugged in?
[Droid X Android Development] drewden123:
22b8 if my memory serves me correctly...
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Chopes:
Hey. Is a nandroid backup all encompassing (kernel and all that too?) or what? I plan to test some stuff out and previously went all out the past 4 or 5 times thinking that restoring from a nandroid will create some problem if I am using that as my default rom. Can I safely flash to a new Tom and install a different kernal then restore the nandroid I have now and be back with pershoot (the kernal I am on now with cm6)?

Lastly can I keep multiple nandroids of various rom/kernals (assuming I understand it correctly from my previous question) and go between them without having problems arise (assuming the backups themselves are stable)?

Thanks in advance, xda is awesome!
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JHaste:
it is an image of EXACTLY what is on your phone at that time... so, rom, kernel, apps, text messages, call logs, ect.... literally everything...

you can keep images of as many different roms and kernals as your sd card will hold...

if you flash a new rom and kernel then restore back to an older nandroid you will revert back to that entire rom and kernel... however you can throw a new kernel on that old nandroid if you restore it...

it literally is as straight forward as it seems...
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RogerPodacter:
Yeah I keep many nand backups around. I actually rename them and move them to my computer, labeled in folders, for future use. And I just keep a current backup on the card. But it doesn't matter, keep as many as you like.

What I don't like is losing any recent info I've acquired since my last backup. I wish there were some way to extract the user data and merge that into a nand backup. For example I'll try out different themes or status bars, and wanna switch back via nand restore. But then I lose any texts, call logs, I got that day since yesterday's backup.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jack_R1:
You have Call log backup, SMS Backup and APN backup - exactly for that. Search the market. And Titanium can backup app data, if needed.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Chopes:
Very cool. Going to have much fun with this tonight. Ty for the info guys!
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vick1377:
sms backup and restore app and call log back and restore app from the market does it just fine for me.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kmry:
i think the firmware is not included
[Captivate General] GermanGuy:
I downloaded the wireless tether apk from code.google.com. Downloaded the second from the top (I think 2.01 or 2.02, not the experimental one) Install and startup of program went fine. However, my ipod cannot find the Captivate via Wifi. Anybody having luck with this?
[Captivate General] gephoria:
this app is not working yet with the captivate yet. I have opened a thread on google code to have it addressed.
[Captivate General] GermanGuy:
Ok. Thanks
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Themes and Apps] aquinoq:
How can I change MS3.5 theme (color) under WM6.5?

The built in "Theme" in MS3.5 Tools doesn't work!

As I know, this is a known bug.

THX
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] silashack:
Hi folks, I am looking at a driod to replace my WM6.5 unit and up till now I have managed to avoid using anything that needed data, reason... I live in Australia and the telcos know how to charge for data like it was gold.

But as a LOT of the new apps and services require data then I have to look at the plans and make a stab based on expected monthly data usage...

I know, I know, how long is the piece of string...... :mad:

What I am asking is can people give me a rough estimate of monthly data usage on any network with any apps enabled, I reckon with good and bad I can figure out what may be feasible for my selection.

email usage is light, web next to nothing (for now) and not sure about other services, I have wifi at home so would attempt updates and stuff there rather than OTA

Any help would be much appreciated.

Cheers
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Chopes:
Hey

Well, not sure of my exact data usage, but it would be sure to increase 10 fold (it did for me at least coming from a blackberry). There is so much stuff that can be gained through apps that use data. Maybe you could tell us the various price ranges for the data plans and decide that way?

Aldo there are tons of apps that will monitor your data and give you alerts and such so the fear or unintentionnaly going over is slim.

Hope this helps.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] silashack:
Thats the problem from my end, none of the telcos are helpful as such, they range from 200mb to 1gb but are ALL different in price, so one charges x for 200mb on y cap and another is double for the same 200mb but a different cap :(

So what I needed was someone to say what they do on an average month, 2mb, 20mb, 784mb, 3.2gb etc etc, this way i can figure out the cort/benefit ratio of cap/plan v's qouta and extras
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] noiz7:
It seems to me that many apps I use give my flexibility in this area. The main apps I use that download data are configurable of how often to check for updates. For example, I can set my weather widget to download new info anywhere from every 15 min to every couple hours. Also, syncing with gmail and other google services can be turned on and off so you could only have it on when on wifi. Twitter and Facebook apps also have settings to change how often you have them refresh the data. So if you don't use too many apps or just set all of them to only update manually you can limit your data usage by a lot.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] silashack:
OK, can I just ask people to actualy state

HOW MUCH DATA YOU USE PER MONTH

Thank you.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] disgustip8ted:
my first month, i have no idea how but i used 3.3gb.

every month after that has been around just under 1gb, except last month when i had to tether my laptop because my home internet was out for a week, the data for that month showed 1.2gb.

I have two widgets, facebook and twitter that sync about every 2-4 hours, i adjust them some times to sync less and i manually sync them if i want to read and am bored. I have newsrob which syncs my google reader articles, sometimes i have that sync every 4 hours sometimes fully manual. I have background data turned on almost all the time and gps turned on always updating my location with latitude, i have gmail and an exchange account syncing for work using ssl. i have last.fm scrobbling all the music i listen to and stream music with it occasionally, not all the time. i browse the web on it quite abit whiel sitting at home and watching movies with the girlfriend as well as look up random facts and other things i come across day to day.

let me know if you need any other input!
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Enndr:
I use on average somewhere between 900mb and 1.2gb

Thats streaming Pandora most of the time I'm in my car, using GPS maybe 2-3 times a week and pretty heavy data usage in other ways (i.e web surfing and apps)

I don't do much tethering or downloading of large files. I have tethered a few times but nothing that I would call average.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] willverduzco:
I used to use about ~2 GB when just using it for Pandora, hulu, and browsing. Now I'm at around 7 GB since I tether.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] miketlo:
For comparison, I used 65mb on my bb bold 9000 and now 1gb on my n1. Mostly because its so fast! I do not really stream. I only browse, email, chat and some videos. Its a lot of usage from just browsing
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] noiz7:
before froyo i ran about 1-1.5 gb a month, now ive tethered a lot and started listening to more music so im up to about 4 gb
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ohgood:
billing cycle: 7/20 - 8/19

data used: 36Mb

txt (sms to you non american types ;) ): 16

minutes: 13

what I'm using that is data intensive:

google maps- hourly, with two 2 hour driving trips using it

gmail - it pushes all emails

email - check every 15 minutes, two additional accounts

maverick pro - uses gps and data

pandora - no usage this cycle, i usally stream at work, and i'm on vacation this week :D

normally, if i use pandora, it's for 4-6 hours per day, at roughly 1Mb / 15 mintues

there, hopefully you'll have an idea what a typical nexus user will burn through in a billing period.

:)
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] cbaltzer:
I have a 500mb plan, and to date (over a year) I've only come close to that once.

I have Twitter refreshing every 10 minutes, GMail push, Email every 15, and Facebook every 30. Plus some web browsing (of relatively light sites). No video or audio streaming.

On average I'm around 250mb a month now, because we have no wifi at work. When I was in school (wifi on campus, and at home), I never went over 100mb. Usually less than 50.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jack_R1:
~600MB monthly.

It consists of me tethering the laptop on the way to work and back ~2 hours a day, mostly. When I didn't use it and just surfed for fun, I'd get ~150MB monthly. When I didn't surf at all, the data apps put me at ~40MB monthly. I'm using Gmail, Gtalk and several smaller-scale apps like Astrid.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] silashack:
THANK YOU THANK YOU to those that actualy posted figures, the plans over here are rather stringent and no way could you support some of the figures you have indicated without incurring signifiacnt costs, I now have an idea that data costs are a priority something I have to factor in to the overall package, and unless the telco has an unlimited plan I have to read the fine print for excess charges VERY clearly.

Thank you once again
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sheek360:
I hovered around 7-11gb a month when I was on att wireless. Their footprints issue great in Miami. I swapped to T-Mobile and they suck. Its horrible. I hardly ever touch my phone now. And it shows! I now hover around 300mb-800mb
[Vibrant General] temperbad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLLi5ccES4o

From this video.. Ive read alot on here but never read about this, if I missed it sorry Please delete and just a quick flaming will do :)

But In touch wiz, when your in the applications spot you can hit menu then editm and you can edit where the icons are positioned. You can also change the 4 icons that are always there... Pretty cool. Never knew that.. I feel retarded and like a kid at christmas...lol
[Vibrant General] kolyan:
can change only 2 icon with default launcher
[Vibrant General] temperbad:
oh ok. So the middle 2? Thats all I tried to change.. But thats cool. Didnt know that..
[Vibrant General] boodies:
not sure about you guys, but my browswer crashed at the pocketnow.com website. It's okay now but much to my surprise, in their review of Humingbird vs OMAP vs Snapdragon, the Captivate crashes on their website as well. Might have something to do with their website.

http://pocketnow.com/software-1/snapdragon-vs-omap-vs-hummingbird-video
[Vibrant General] Blueman101:
i dont know about no editing dock menu, all i saw was the iphone4 getting its ass kicked.
[Vibrant General] newspeak:
try unchecking "enable plug-ins" in the browser settings works for me
[Vibrant General] boodies:
thanks, will try that. it doesn't happen all the time but it seems to happen once in a while. what will unchecking plugins do with other sites?
[Vibrant General] TWiG420:
RAWK! Thanks, that was handy.
[XPERIA X10 General] naveen_reloaded:
I know many threads have been closed since SE has confirmed that there will be no multi touch .. but many say that is to evade the multi touch patent case... which is being filled against apple and other phone manufacturers

since we know that SE PR were making statements few months back that MT will be available through upcomming frimware .

so my question is

Can X10 really capable of MT hardware wise ?

Is there any possiblity that we might able to bring MT enabled through custom roms and drivers ?

Is there hard evidence that X10 is not capable of MT ?

If so what do we need to enable it ?

To Mods : please dont close this thread , as many are spamming other threads reagarding this issue, so let this one thread be there to discuss the possiblity
[XPERIA X10 General] dundun1701:
SE staffs confirmed many time that the X10 Hardware does not support MT, so there is no way x10 can have MT (official/ unofficial).
[XPERIA X10 General] darrab2002:
what about Dualtouch??
[XPERIA X10 General] damirbusic:
What about NEVER ?
[XPERIA X10 General] naveen_reloaded:
i read somewhere that someone ripped off the whole x10 and got a screen shot of the lcd.. can we confirm that the lcd hardware doesnt support mt ...

there are rumours that se wanted to evade the lawsuit for mt
[XPERIA X10 General] Nankov:
To all the people saying there is no multitouch or dualtouch ever you must be plain stupid. You cant claim that! Even if SE said so. There is 80% chance that the screen is at least dualtouch since it was first said that there will be multitouch by SE and than than they changed their mind. Think about it i think they are trying to avoid lawsuit by apple. Also there is such old phones that have at least dualtouch and you think x10 doesnt. There is plenty information pointing towards the posibility of the x10 having dualtouch. SE claimed that the mini didnt have it but yet it does. There is some chineese guy at some other forum that claims he has 2. 1 on it and that in fact its dualtouch but apperantly he is on vacation now so i cant confirm it. Stop saying never cause u dont know! Also the devs found a driver in the system for it if i recall it corectly. There is big chance that there is thats that im saying.

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[XPERIA X10 General] Nankov:
Also i could care less about mt or dt but i get fustrated when i see people saying stuff like" how bout never"

like i said im 80% sure that there will be mt or dt and i am willing to bet any of these guys saying no and never like they know for sure.

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[XPERIA X10 General] fonzthegreat:
Lets wait and see... i think it has atleast dual touch.. but yeah im sure they are afraid of apple suing them directly. Just like how apple went and attacked HTC for senseUI and skipped google altogether. It is quite scary going up against Apple nowadays with its huge battlechest, SE has to play it safe in the meantime while it re structures itself
[XPERIA X10 General] tuxStyle:
Can i have a gun and two bullets (in case i miss first time?) please?

Now, seriously.

This is a question asked a million times until now...

Until custom ROMs will be in the wild nobody knows.

It might have MT/DT but is disabled in kernel.

Or as SE hardware is missing.

Just wait damn it... why every 2 days somebody should open a thread/write a post about MT and Froyo?