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[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] makavelitha:
Sorry, but if this is true i'll pass on for Android on the HD2 and buy a Desire HD...

Cuz i don't need a better bootup time, what we need is a better battery life and a better overall performance ;)

But i still appreciate what the dev's have done so far and i hope in the near future we will have a 100% working Nand with Android on the HD2 :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ozkaya:
afaik, rajko already put everything on nand with his custom flasher program on Leo. (no PC needed) he had a youtube video showing that.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jappi88:
I wanna say thnx to all the hardworkers for making nand Android pissible.

If i understand correctly, the winmo will be replaced with Android, the only thing we need to do is place the data.img on the SD card.i dont mind, I like Android a lot, I am using the latest with sense.

I'm very happy to have the hd2 thnx to the developers.

Once again, thnx for you're great work.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] deli_gt:
It's HD2 definitely.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] drzurna:
hi everybody

hi, how will we set nand android rom to our hd2?

is there a place telling this process in the forum?

Thanks everybody:confused::confused::o
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] shree.cse:
Nand is not existing at this moment for our hd2s. It's just the process that how we flash our mobiles with WM roms. Before that we need to flash magldr as hspl3 for current android SD card versions.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Screemi:
are you from the states? ohh what am i asking? it's obvious. come to europe to see how we swear. i don't want to offend anybody but the above is ridiculous.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] pathologo:
WTF! In what way are you offended exactly?

I mean, you are from Texas, right? Aren't you used to such words over there?!

Did he offend you directly? I cannot see that.

Ridiculous! Wannabe moralizer!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Beretta93:
I guess he was being sarcastic...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] slimster:
Are you seriously bragging on your countries swearing abilities? Lol. I check this thread every day in hopes that I will found out the status of the nand release and lately it seems to be getting more and more cluttered with nonsense posts. Mods, do you think it might be time to close this thread?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Screemi:
if you go on with crap like that, it should.

btw. europe is not a country.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] rr5678:
Ok, it's time for you people to calm down
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dubie76:
So where is it? From what you are saying, you make it out to be that the ability and process is done and available. I am sure that all of us would like for you to elaborate on your post. :confused:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] lonelykatana:
Thankyou, it seems like XDA as a whole is going that way!

To many pointless posts poping up. Flaming here, there, everywhere. Its pethetic people....

Keep this thread to what it is, about NAND.:mad:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mattfmartin:
That guy is a Moderator and a cook. So you should watch your P's and Q's... Show some respect.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] m_segura420:
Are we there yet ? lol
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] rajkosto:
why did that guy post random information and then everyone believes him ?

nothing is read/written to sdcard when all the partitions are on nand

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WO7bkWEoAQ&fmt=22
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jagger2k:
Thanks for clearing that up mate. Its amazing the poison people spread on here where they do not have a clue.

:)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] krunalkp:
good find..... nice concluding video... :p
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] hoss_n2:
booting time is very fast :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] pack21:
I want that lovely and beautifull boot in my HD2.

.....and, btw tell the devs, to dont forget the camera on HD and Z builds.

Thanks, for the vid.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Screemi:
nice. I am really looking forward to it! Thx to all the devalued and beta testers!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Beretta93:
Pass is GENIUS right? :confused:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] panosg1977:
Many thanks to all the devs working tirelessly to bring a NAND-bootable version of Android to our HD2s. Perhaps it won't work, who knows? Either way these guys deserve our respect :)

PS: Many thanks to rajkosto for giving us these sneak preview vids! :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] rajkosto:
i could give you all i made (and you could download it from the link i posted on irc), however all of it is useless without MAGLDR so you will have to wait for it's public release
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] squish099:
Your right I did post that.. but from reading logs that's what i got from their discussion.. I also got from the discussion today your build is different and doesn't require the SD card.. plz correct me if I'm wrong..

Sent from my HTC Vision HD2
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] panosg1977:
Exactly. Patience is a virtue. I wouldn't want to mess with anything as low-level as NAND yet. I will leave that to Cotulla and all of you guys and of course I'll wait for MAGLDR official release :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] radiance26:
I think more than one person try to dl your file (me first ;) ), but as you said it without magldr we can do nothing.

So we just wait and appreciate your amazing work by viewing your video.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] idevmag:
Thanks for the latest video from rajkosto

Good job, It's really amazing to see android on HD2 without SDCard

iDev
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] abdulsheikh007:
same here,,, nothing made me more happier today ,, well almost :-)

awesome work...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Da Reijkz:
Great job of the Devs! Unbelievable!!!!

Hopefully they get ahead always so well.

Then there are soon a perfect Custom Android Rom! ;)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] zarathustrax:
I didn't pay attention to what you said earlier... reading & writing still happens on nand... the data file is stored on nand. It's the kernel that is stored on the SD card. I think they plan on eventually having everything on nand.

Either way you will get quick boot up times, but again, overall performance and battery life aren't going to be much different than betting with haret.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] thatruth132:
seems cotulla is updating magldr on his site
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] krunalkp:
he updated magldr file but didnt unlocked it.. so still i think....its not ready yet..
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] thatruth132:
figures remind me of my iphone days waiting on geohot to release a jailbreak or unlock
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] 12aon:
Warning! Keep this civil, you were asked to tone down by a mod fulfilling his duty as peacekeeper. You will not be warned again,

12aon (XDA Senior Moderator)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] squish099:
Cotulla Said earlier it would be version 1.10+ before public release... could have been sarcastically to a troll though

Sent from my HTC Vision HD2
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Fif23:
I don't get it, how can the Kernel be on the SD if this dude from the youtube video ran ANDROID without an SD card ???

Waiting for the release..
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] abdulsheikh007:
exactly , wats on my mind....

see !!! its comments like this, that confuse people,,

if kernel is on card, then , wats on nand ???

the kernel is the OS !!!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] bracken21:
No Android is the OS, the kernal is really just a component of the OS "a bridge between applications and the actual data processing done at the hardware level."

Bracken
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Hauk00:
Thats why he pulled the sd card out right after he started the boot process, the kernel is the first thing loaded into ram as it is required to initialize hardware, it is only read from storage once on boot, so the sd card doesnt have to be kept in.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] panosg1977:
Indeed, that seems to be the case. The kernel acts as a bridge between the hardware layer and the application layer, very loosely speaking. Basically, that's what's happening when running Android from our SD cards. Putting it all together and enabling everything to boot from NAND is a whole different issue and way out of my league :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] thatruth132:
also from what we are reading you will still have both options of sdcard and nand
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Samsunguy:
was that really necessary for you to tell us you really didn't need to post that here.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Cass67:
Yes everything except kernel and initrd for now . Works nice. Boots fast. SD can be removed after boot if you like so for all purposes its full nand. SD only needed at boot time.

Well except for pictures and other storage needs etc.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] squish099:
Sweet... thanks for the update cass.

Sent from my HTC Vision HD2
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Apache0c:
Thanks to Cass67 and Rajkasto for coming through with the real updates. We love what you guys are doing and you popping in to give us periodic progress updates helps keep us all sane.

Also, thanks for your videos Rajkasto, those are much appreciated as well.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jerry_italia:
Realese date!!!

What do you think of 10.10.10 as the date of release? would be cool!

great Sunday
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] fig_jam_uk:
And was it really necessary for you to be so rude?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] naps1saps:
I don't see why we can't have both. Just save android to the internal storage and voila, no more sd card issues. It's never a good idea to remove your OS drive while it is running. It's like removing the cd from a PSOne console while running. Yeah, you can still play the game but when you try to go to the next room or next level you're screwed.

With a slim wm rom, the internal storage is like 800MB for those of us with TMOUS phones. That should be enough to boot android right? I've tried booting from internal memory but the boot loader looks in the sd card as per the startup.txt. All you gotta do is change startup.txt. It's not like any of us actually use the internal memory, right?

Not quite the same as running from NAND, but it would be "closer" lol. I can't wait for a full NAND booting version. I've completely forgotten WM as an OS and have disowned it.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] FrAsErTaG:
Ive tried this, and also messed around with the startup.txt but still had no luck, if you have had success with this please send me a PM with some instructions.

Thanks
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Jammie_1989:
This won't work so just wait until magldr is released won't be long :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Cass67:
Patience man .. this is still in development by Cotulla .. Rajko has made a v1 nand build, there is no option yet to boot kernel in magldr from nand.. im sure this will come in due course ...

Ohh and removing sdcard from within Android is perfectly fine if you unmount it first .. data/cache/system partition is on nand and NOTHING is using sdcard ...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mskip:
Please People DO NOT start messing around with your phones and trying to make Android run from internal memory by copying everything across and editing the startup.txt file as it wont work. If it was really that simple dont you think this project would have been completed months ago? Do you think cotulla and his team have been sitting on a beach sipping on martinis for the last few months lol.

Im sure you dont want to end up bricking your phone and then find out NAND is finished the next day lol :rolleyes:

Seriously just WAIT, BE PATIENT and when its finished im sure the wait till be worth it :)

Mark.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] faby71:
Quote 101%:D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] motorboy-johnny:
LOL wahahaha brilliant!! +1

Only a reaction of Rajkosto can be taken serious!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] naps1saps:
lol just booting from wm from the internal memory won't brick your phone. this has nothing to do with what cotulla is doing. I am waiting patiently.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mskip:
Actually I meant people trying to delete windows from their internal memory and copying Android to it to try and get it to boot without the sd card. I was just advising those who are getting itchy fingers and might start experimenting to wait until the developers have finished working on nand and make it available.

Mark.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jase33:
When we put android on the phone will there be a winmo for the sd card?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] |ErosizeD|:
EPIC....

AJAJAJAJAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA..... xD

NO, not will have WM on SDcard... i supose...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] yodu29:
Good luck to Cotulla and his team.

I am a french user of the HD2 and all his work since the beginning of this mobile, is really incredible.

Thank you and congratulations for your "work" ! ;)

I hope you will find the nand key as soon as possible, people can't live without Android (LOL !!) :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] zarathustrax:
If you want to keep winmo, just leave it on nand and keep booting android from SD. That's what I'm gonna do. Nand is not going to improve performance or battery life enough to make it worth losing winmo. Nand will improve bootup time a lot, but i don't reboot my phone all that often. I hope one day we can have winmo and android both on nand... at least on the tmous hd2s with 1gb nand. That would be cool.

Hopefully once nand is finished, the devs will focus on improving the Linux kernel again and get us a bug free, smoother android working... both for SD and nand. (pretty sure they will both use the same kernels)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] lonelykatana:
What?!

Why bother? Just have android on SD!

And we probably wont ever have a winmo build on a SD card (for the reason I just stated...)

But i'd be surprised to not see a wp7 build.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] poweroutlet:
Highly unlikely I think. The screen on the HD2 should be capable of doing 16m, just like the evo. Some have said the screens on the hd2 and evo are exactly the same. The 65k is a software limitation.

I'm not completely sure though..anyone have more info on this?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] hoss_n2:
what iam asking now also we run android the screen is still 65k ,so it it is 16m colors why cannot be shown on android , does it needs improvements in kernal or must be nand flash to do so
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] zarathustrax:
If its possible, then it would have to be drivers in the kernel that need work. Flashing nand will not improve anything except maybe speed and battery life.... other than that anything that can be done in nand can also be done running from sd card.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] DerBozZ:
Stop talking please about colors, even now on WM6.5 there is no difference between 65k and 16Mil collors. And it is only software limited! Google for it!

Lots of 3D games runs very well on andorid, but not perfect. NAND Android would be awesome! Web Browsing should be the best, even now Dolphin HD runs very smooth.

So whats the status about NAND and Android? Will it be released in september?

Big THX for everything you guys from xda have already done. I appreciate! :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] adamvanner:
I cant see why Android running on HD2 with a decent native kernel running from NAND wouldnt be better than most native Android phones.. clearly thats the point of developing this stuff isnt it?

Of course, there are several good reasons for NAND:

1) lower power consumption

2) Consistent IO performance- as fast if not faster than SD

3) Consistent driver performance- not reliant on variants of WM drivers

4) Can use SD cards as SD cards again! i.e. hot swap etc.

5) Faster boot speed

6) I believe PC Connection to SD card will function properly (not seen a build which works yet and I'm guessing thats because USB requires it to unmount, no?)

Of course there are advantages to the 2nd SD OS but these are all related to testing and safety and not usability.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] :
6. works it just corrupts the whole build when you use it lol, so its disabled by the devs
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] whynot66:
An app called sd-share will give shared access to SD card whilst in android

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2.11.50
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] leoparis:
how much power savings we are talking about with android on NAND as opposed to the SD card? does anybody have an idea? i keep reading it will or may reduce power consumption, but nobody mentioned a rough estimate.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] malias4:
ι dony know matte , but i think it will be like winmo battery..

dont know even how far are we from nand but keep testing builds its also quite good till now... :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] tgtoys:
USB connection works on the new MattcFroyo 1.6b

Sent from my HTC HD2 using Mattc Froyo 1.6b
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] bodyman:
I have been told that HTC has had a working android for the hd2, but could not be seen because of certain this or that. This was after I showed my t-mob reps that I deal with (and for some odd reason know more than them), that I had Android running on the hd2.

Sometimes that makes you go: hmmmmm.....?

I think that HTC has the drivers, but are not releasing them.

Of course this was told to them by a htc rep, but it could also be hearsay anyways.

Just my 2 pennies.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Hauk00:
Its not a problem for installing android, but for what everyone wants, winmo/android dual boot it does become an issue.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] AlexKevler:
(edited, the website was a fake)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] justinxtreme:
I just tried it :)

It works fine running off internal storage. It works exactly the same way it did when I was running it off an SD Card.

I don't know if it's just the placebo effect or whatsoever but it does feel a bit faster to me. Plus I can transfer files to my microSD card now (I'm using the Marc Nexus One build and he enabled USB debugging cause well transferring files and all is bugy cause of Android running off the memory card well now it's not)

Take note though I'm using the T-Mobile HTC HD2 1024MB version.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] hoss_n2:
how you make it to work from nand
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] malias4:
haha thats funny , that he tried it from the internal storage :eek::eek::eek::eek:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] cwwjr1681:
I do not see how you got it to run off the internal storage.... please explain for the rest of us
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] FrenchTart:
They didn't - they're just talking trash.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Evil_enc:
is someone developing something for nand? would be great to hear any news
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] DaDoctor:
Huh??

Did you just copy the Android folder to Device instead of storage card and think you have a NAND boot?

LOOOOL! Please read what NAND means dude and stop making a fool out of urself.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jase33:
that was kinda my point...why bother? that would be nice to see wp7 though.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dubie76:
I have a question about this stuff. I am no programmer but I understand most of this stuff fairly well. What I am trying to figure out is nand will allow us to load a Android ROM directly on the phone and replace the winmo correct?

Secondly, the performance of the phone should still stay the same as it is now running these custom Android ROMs off SD correct? We need a flawless Android ROM to have a perfect device. Is this on track?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] zarathustrax:
Yeah, you have it about right. Hopefully the devs will focus on working the bugs out of the kernels after they finish nand so we can get a flawless android build running.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Hauk00:
"NAND" is a type of flash memory used in phones for the space we know as "ROM". The "NAND development", or so it has been named by the community, refers to the development of the second-tier boot manager (runs after HSPL); MagLdr, the drivers/kernel required for reading and writing to NAND from Android and of course a method of flashing the rom as there is a switch to yaffs partitions. Overall, yes, its to boot Android from ROM, but it also has the potential to be used for multi-boot and we may yet have the first phone to have a proper dual+ boot. As far as the performance goes, there should be a very good increase in boot speed, and most likely a small increase in the speed of interaction with some applications and media as read/write speeds will be increased, though most operating system operations are done in ram so the the speed increase will be small and only noticeable in some situations. Lastly, battery life will probably see a slight improvement since NAND uses less power than SD cards.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Metastable:
It would be sweet if cotulla released MAGLDR so we could boot Android from the SD card, rather than have to go through WinMo. If I had that, I wouldn't mind waiting for a full NAND flash.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dubie76:
Ok so here is my next question. An Android phone has memory, processor, screen, etc. Our HD2 has the same. Why do we need to make Android ROMs? Why cant we just load a true Android ROM right to SD card for now and run it? Why all this updates and kernals? Hardware is hardware. It's just a matter of what software you put on it.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] zarathustrax:
Hardware is different. On phones drivers are made for very specific hardware. The software and drivers are made specifically for the phone it runs on. Android was not meant to run on hd2 so devs have to find similar drivers from different phone and tweak everything to get it to run on our phone.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] fig_jam_uk:
Theres an update/vid that cotula has tweeted on twitter. No bs.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] fig_jam_uk:
Just realized its wp7