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[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
That would solve the problem indeed, but could you provide a source for this information? This is the first time I hear about a way for a third party application to meddle with IE/mail client behavior in WP7, and when I asked Brandon Watson he said nothing like that would be possible.
[Windows Phone 7 General] TheATHEiST:
Dude, there is a edit button, no need to keep double posting. Oh and YES "rly", read the topic.

btw, what about copy and pasting files?, or even blocks of txt's like in a document or web page for example or am I missing something here, that seems a pretty simple but integral part of windows to me, ffs this isnt apple its windows.
[Windows Phone 7 General] daniel-t:
Applications have access to the internet, and files on the internet, it just cannot run in the background or access local files outside of its own local isolated storage. (unless there is a task, launcher, or chooser available to apps)

Native Twitter feeds will be coming soon, Windows Live had it until Twitter changed some APIs, and it will be brought back.

Microsoft have not said Copy & Paste is not a priority, only that in order to get the phone out in time for an Autumn/Winter release, and that it will be coming soon.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Windcape:
I'll see if I can find a article on registering the custom navigation handlers (I haven't it that way around yet). But there'll be standard navigators for phone numbers, email addresses and locations/addresses (into Bing Maps).
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
@ daniel-t

Thanks for claryfing!

Well exactly. Or imagine actually posting on forum and wanting to use chunks of copied txt in various places.

Or just imagine compiling ONE word file out of 4 different ones just with copy....

But Mr Windcape is still talking about this link technology like he'd be drunk.

Does he read posts here or just uses auto-responding machine?!
[Windows Phone 7 General] daniel-t:
Copy & Paste, is important, Microsoft know it is, it is coming in the future, moaning about it won't make it come any quicker! People don't realise this OS will get updates, without the need to change hardware!
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Actually Terry Myerson said exactly this. He said something like, "if I had more time and had to make a list of top ten more things to implement for the release, C&P wouldn't make it to that list" (not literal quote). Also, nobody ever promised to implement anything that's currently missing "soon". Not to mention that "soon" doesn't mean anything anyway, in practical terms.

Me, I'm worried about how I would go about opening a pdf sent as an email attachment more than I worry about most of the things on the list in the original post, apart from C&P (lack of which is a bummer). That everybody suddenly needs to mix everything in one mailbox since Apple did it is just ridiculous. And that "no way of knowing if a long press is available" boggles my mind - how do you know that it's available in WM or Android or iOS?

But even all that is small problems compared to the fact that there's no WP7 in reality, and it might not be available for me for another year or something ridiculous like that because of the miserable language support it has. With this availability list they pretty much made my interest kind of theoretical... How's that as a "What's still missing" point?
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
iPhone has them, but there's certainly nothing similar to that in the current APIs that I can find, and I've discussed problems related to this one on MSDN, I'm sure somebody would point me to this stuff if it existed instead of talking about workarounds.

But the problem is, you can't use them for third party applications. Those are hardcoded to launch built-in tools.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Windcape:
It's not as much language support, as it's legal requirements. We discussed how the Zune legal requirements might be a problem in certain countries, like Scandinavia.

But as with anything else, I think the mobile market is maturing so quickly that first generation phones always will feel lacking. But as most of the problems are software related, I think we'll see a lot of them solved before next Spring.

Yeah, I might have misunderstood something, so I'm digging a bit deeper here. But at least the intention is that it's meant to work seamless rather than a annoyance.

The standard URL mapper works fine for Internet Explorer. I need to try it out for phone calls and maps later.
[Windows Phone 7 General] daniel-t:
Never heard of this Terry Williamson, but I have heard of Charlie Kindel, and he is much closer to Windows Phone development...

http://wmpoweruser.com/microsoft-pr...ndows-phone-7-limitations-in-future-releases/

Check out this link, and if that doesn't reassure you that good things are coming for users and devs, then just give up on Windows Phone.

Also if you are expecting a mini PC, then think again. The number one message Microsoft has been putting out, is that the Phone is not a PC.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
And like I said elsewhere, if this means no WP7 with a Russian keyboard until they solve the legal issues with Zune here then I'll never get a WP7 device. Which makes it an even more theoretical thing, kind of like building a lunar colony. I hope it's not the case, and all I need them to do is add a freaking keyboard.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Windcape:
Terry Myerson is Corporate Vice President of Windows Phone Engineering.

I heard rumors of a Scandinavia release in January, so I guess Russia will get one around Winter/Spring as well.

Did they launch in any countries using Cyrillic alphabet yet?
[Windows Phone 7 General] daniel-t:
No wonder I have never heard of Terry Williamson then! :)

He gone and went and edited his post, he did! :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Terry Myerson, not Williamson, sorry, I got his name wrong. But he's the guy in charge of WP7 engineering team.

I've certainly seen that, and there's absolutely no promise of C&P, let alone "soon". He says that many features will be added later; that they will look at how they can extend functionality, yada yada. Nothing about C&P in particular, no time frames, no promises, just some PR stuff.

I don't want my phone to be a mini PC, where did I say that? I just want it to handle some basic scenarios, and getting pdfs in emails is a pretty frequent thing, no matter how I hate pdf.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
I want a mini PC.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Well, spring is almost a year from now, and I haven't heard any rumors whatsoever.

There are different alphabets, so not just any one of them will do (just like Roman alphabets are different, and you need different layouts, and of course auto-correction dictionaries). No, they haven't announced any other Cyrillic country, and that would be extremely weird if they did - there are some 8 million smartphones sold in Russia annually, next would be Ukraine with less than 2. What Apple still didn't get though and I'm afraid Microsoft won't either is that you shouldn't sell anything via mobile operators as they are the smallest and by far most expensive channel, they don't subsidize handsets here as it's illegal for them to lock in customers via contracts. Apple stubbornly pushes this channel and managed to sell less than a million iPhones officially, while several times as many are simply imported from eBay or clove or what not. But we digress.

I did. You replied very fast. :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
If you're interested in hearing some of their thinking on these issues, check out the interview that Engadget did with Joe Belfiore. All this talk about Terry Myerson is a bit off base. While Myerson certainly is influential, he doesn't decide the features and priorities. That's up to Belifiore and his team. I'm sure you'll all just LOVE what Joe said about these issues (sarcasm).

Stick with WinMo or go to Android.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Your answer ruined my good humour :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] IM0001:
I dono man. Android isn't fully MiniPC till you get it rooted and I still say WP7 will get some cool abilities once the XDA/Tweekers/Hackers really dig into it. Even without them I believe Microsoft will continue to adjust the os to make it pretty darn sweet. No reason to make it a complete closed setup. They just need to make a careful/tactical entry back into this market and they gota make it easy for everyone to pick up and use right out of the gate.
[Windows Phone 7 General] at45:
This is a retarded list, especially on these forums. You can't say list "doesn't come with a bundled Twitter/Youtube/Flash enabled browser app" as a bad point. Download one. Do you think you're talking to people who don't want to downlaod and install their own apps? Twitter are sure to release something if Microsoft don't add it before launch, same for YouTube, same for Opera.

Wait and see before.
[Windows Phone 7 General] TheATHEiST:
#%%$@

I was simply quoting a article from a top pocketPC site I wasnt trying to "annoy" anybody, grow up and stop talking ...!
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kloc:
Here's my opinion on these

- No Twitter integration

They will have a twitter app they can do notifications. I don't think you'd want to have all 200 of your followers in your contacts list.

- No copy and paste

I've wasted usually around 10-15 minutes trying to get copy and paste to work on my TP2. Windows Mobile C&P sucks period. I'd rather not have the option until it's done correctly and they have every intension of adding it.

- No third-party multitasking

This will probably be added later as well. They want the system to be as stable as possible and until they know that 3rd party apps will keep that going it shouldn't be allowed

- No Flash, Silverlight, or HTML5 support in the browser

Adobe has said they are working on flash 10 for WP7 so that will be coming. Hopefully we can get more news on Silverlight and HTML5 in the future because those would be excellent additions.

- No dedicated YouTube application

Youtube apps are going to be their at launch I'll be you money on that.

- No robust document editing capabilities in Office

They never meant for the office app to be a full editor they just want you to be able to do simple task while on the go. If the people want full editting and they voice that opinion then it'll be added.

- No way to stop Facebook contacts from mixing with global contacts

This could be an issue. I have alot of FB friends that I'm not really close with and wouldn't want them clogging up my contacts list. If all else fails I'

ll be deleting alot of unneeded friends.

- No global email inbox

Many people like to keep their e-mails seperate so they don't get confused. I wounldn't like a global box but it would be nice if their was the option

- No threaded email

They have said "not yet" when asked about this so they are working on that.

- No organization of the full program list (it's alphabetical)

The apps should atleast be set up like contacts where you can pick a letter and it brings you to those apps that start with that letter. They should also add folders. But I don't think the app list will be used often considering you can put everything you access 90% of the time on the start screen.

- No way of knowing if a long press is available

It's all about discovery. How are they supposed to point that out?

- No universal search

From what I've seen the search is pretty damn good and it's contextual so that should help.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
@^Kloc

Most of it I agree/believe you're right.

Just cannot accept your copy & paste argument. I mean I have no clue WTF are you talking about.

This is extremely easy on WM. and cruical.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kloc:
I have huge issues getting it to work on my phone. I think it's most likely because of sense and using Opera as my browser but it never wants to co-operate when I'm trying to paste something into a text message. I usually end up just writing it down and rewriting it in the message. Maybe with stock WM and IE it works fine but I don't use either :P
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Shock. It works like a treat. However the best with long tap, not qwerty performing

Ctrl + copy & paste.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Alex530:
+1 I agree there mate.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
@cPT.cAPSLOCK

I agree on most part.

I can't accept however the stupid arguments regarding C & P and Office.

First don't tell users "get the laptop".

Smartphones have been developed through years to serve as mini laptops, and were able to be that actually, that's what people also want.

If other developers were able to bring super functional applications

close to core Office functionality, I don't see a reason why the hell Microsoft is not able to deliver the same if they have a seperated Office Hub and they actually put all those apps od WP7 device! PLUS they produce the best Office app themselves!

Nonsesne - if you implement it on the device and proudly advertise it, make it work, make it with sense!

About copy and paste you almost write bull****.

Man, people need c & p on thousands of situations, especially in OFFICE work with text. In emails with editing, rearranging etc. Also in copying txt from sms to calendar, email etc. It makes the whole device a great working platform.

Without it I will be an idiot constantly remembering text in my head or maybe writing this on a piece of paper?

Like many many times I copy email text to notes or office, or copy txt from office to email etc!!

How hard is it to ****ing understand it??!!

And regarding opening links in browser, I already have this functionality in WM 6.5.3.

Emailing them is not the most frequent thing man does on a smartphone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Windcape:
@doministry: Again you represent a minority of the target-group for WP7.

A Blackberry makes much more sense for a person like you. Or a Palm.

WP7 is targeting people who otherwise would use a iPhone. Not the people who otherwise would use a Windows Mobile, Blackberry or Palm.

The Office functionality the large majority wishes for, is viewing access. When that's said, I already told you multiple times, that nothing stops you from making a internal clipboard for any application -- it just won't be cross applications.
[Windows Phone 7 General] kooled:
I would like to give my opinions about those WP7 "shortcomings", as a mobile phone passionate and current iPhone user

- No Twitter integration

I agree with most of the comments, Twitter apps will be available. Besides the people i'm flollowing aren't my friends and i do not want them to appear in my contact list

- No copy and paste

I have to admit that I only use that feature to copy tracking numbers from email to delivery tracking apps. It's very handy, but I can live without it

- No third-party multitasking

I'm a pretty fervent consumer of streaming music (webradios, Spotify), so i might wait to see what Zune will bring coming into Europe and if it will be enough to make me switch. If not i will wait for the next release

- No Flash, Silverlight, or HTML5 support in the browser

Silverlight will come eventually. About Flash i hope that

- Adobe is already working on it

- MS is giving them acces and resources to make it come true

- No dedicated YouTube application

It will be here at launch, I'm positive about it.

However, since IE7 mobile doesn't support HTML5 - ie the new Youtube mobile website - I hope that it will be on par with the site, unlike the old iOS native app

- No robust document editing capabilities in Office

If Office is missing features, other companies will provide them (Documents to go, QuickOffice). Same as Windows Mobile...

- No way to stop Facebook contacts from mixing with global contacts

I'm not pleased with it. I don't want to mix my Facebook-only friends with my usual contacts.

- No global email inbox

Just when I began to like it in iOS4...

Many people like to keep their e-mails seperate so they don't get confused. I wounldn't like a global box but it would be nice if their was the option

- No threaded email

I hope that we will see it sooner than later (even sooner than C/P)

- No organization of the full program list (it's alphabetical)

Hopefully the app list will have jump list controls like the contact list so you don't have to flick too much to go to the end.

- No way of knowing if a long press is available

It's the same as the "flick to delete" on the iPhone that prompt you with a delete button appearing on the item which gives you the option to really delete it. You never know it's available until flicking. Eventualy you do it when you dont see in the menu/taskbar the action you're looking for (like the right click)

- No universal search

That would be great, especially if there's no unified mailbox and if the contextual search works only within the current mailbox.

Now, I really do like playing with the emulator, but there's one thing that bothers me : the back button and IE. if you launch IE from the homescreen, the back button will bring you back to the homescreen, even if the current page had a "previous page" from an earlier navigation session. I think a software "previous" button will be needed because the unexpected behavior of the hardware button might drive people crazy.
[Windows Phone 7 General] darkmurder:
Granted this is true but its a bit backwards from MS who still say its a business styled phone when its clearly consumer based. To the post above your probably better off waiting for the WP7 business edition which will be out next year I think?
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Sorry but this argument is not valid.

First, you have no clue what minority or majority ever wants.

You rather represent a view which tells people what they want instead. You "think" people don't need it because you treat them like bunch of clueless idiots.

Minority argument is also stupid because we don't live in the world

where only majority is pushing their rights,

but acually other rights are respected.

I also think Microsoft would bash you for such words.

And more stupidily, currently Blackberry has bigger marketshare so bull**** here mate.

The thing is users change their habits and needs once they get informed about it. Nobody wanted a video on the phone but since it's present the need for that is bigger and bigger.

And I repeat again, if Microsoft wants to keep business users with them and they advertise Office heavily, they need to give features.

And of course, c & p without ability to use through the device is plain stupid and has no explanation and any reason besides stupid hidden inside policy of the company. That's obvious.

But they will be probably pushed to bring it back.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
http://pocketnow.com/software-1/how-windows-phone-7-handles-email-attachments

So looks like no way to just simply save attachement in email.

Great. So how to handle with files received by email?

Just keep billions emails to have them on the device?

Very easy and helpful LOL!

Does anybody know? What can we do with let's say 100 docs I want to have on the device? Keep 100 emails?

Lol that doesn't look encouraging.

Microsoft really took the worst route - iPhone route.

Starts to be clear now.

If these things are not going to change I really imagine

Android will just swallow WP7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
When you tap on the downloaded attachment, it will open in the application that handles this file type. From there you'll be able to save it to the relevant "library". This is not the problem.

The problem is that it only works for the built-in applications. You won't be able to do it with third-party applications. The biggest problem for me personally is pdf. There's just no freaking way to view pdfs apart form downloading them from the web (which is a scenario that never happens with me, all the pdfs I ever get are sent to me in emails).
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
You can open it and word and save it to your device. Maybe there's a long press to save it in the email (like there is in wm6.5)?
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Clearly nothing like that - stated by pocketnow
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
They watched the same video we did.

"What we don't get to see is if, like Android, a long press will allow you to save the attachment in a file of your choice. Our guess is "no" to this question, since Windows Phone 7 doesn't have a file manager so there would be no way to access saved attachments. "

It won't go "in a file of your choice" but it very well may give you the option to name it and it will save it in your documents repository. Nonetheless, you can most certainly save the file from the app after opening it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
It's been shown numerous times. It'll open in Word where you get an option to save it, renaming if you wish. It works only for supported documents and pictures though, that's the problem.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
So whatever I get on the device what os not supported by any application I cannot just simply save it.

That's another idiotic restriction.

Let's say somebody wrongly names a picture or a sound file - bump! you cannot save it

because the system cannot open it.

Let's make the system more and more stupid.
[Windows Phone 7 General] CSMR:
Very likely, but it doesn't need to be an exchange. These new methods can be additional to C&P. Microsoft will add C&P because not having it annoys a lot of people. Then there will be both methods.

This is a big problem, and there are not only things you can't do which you should be able to do ever since multitasking became common in the 1980s, but a lot of these things are things ordinary people might use. Listening to some music service while doing other stuff. VOIP which is the way forward for telecommunications.

But, it will be fixed. MS is not a joke company, they know how to write operating systems.

To me the main issue is the file system: lack of common storage, USB mass storage, microSD support. I don't see anything suggesting this will be fixed.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
I see it not so much as an idiotic restriction as a gap in the APIs. I don't think I'll miss those "Save as" dialogs really, but I'll certainly miss an "Choose an app to open it with and remember the choice" option.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
Well apparently NO.

Because you have no filesystem/manager.

So how can you have access to anything what is not automatically recognized

by sytem?

No way.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Windcape:
@doministry: You should really really take some time to learn to code Silverlight one of these days.

You keep thinking it's "Windows on a Phone". Let me remind you: it's not.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
I don't have to. I'm the user who after years of beeing able to do things (present on the OS for 10 years) is not accepting the policy which takes away these functions without any sensible reason.

Also I don't accept the fact that Mr Windcape here is apparently redefining the word smartphone on the base of his imagination.

Nowhere has been stated smartphone = dumbphone.

It's rather you who doesn't simply accept:

Microsoft with delivering great OS changes in UI which are more than welcomed

is also very short in other things.

Maybe they didn't have enough time, maybe they love the Apple pattern.

Maybe they want the policy preventing unwanted actions.

Whatever. But you are rude and keep telling me "oh, a geek problem".

But in fact the less control the user has over it's device the worse.

No matter how much you'll scream "it just works".

So who the hell gave you the right to treat me like I'm not a user?!

You're trying to tell me that "average Joe" has more rights than me?

Nope. Not going to happen.

You'll be surprised anyway. Just look how Apple reacts.