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[XPERIA X10 Android Development] saltorio:
Let's stick to the topic at hand, please.

I'm getting more excited each day that I read the Dev thread. There definitely looks to be some decent progress going on.

I won't be bothered if SE gets 2.1 out to us before the devs get the bootloader cracked, because I have little doubt they'll bring us FroYo before SE does.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] mezo9090:
No doubt, it was a new account made for starting this thread, even with the help givin to him he did nothing. I trust our dev though.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] karendar:
Am I the only one who's super excited at the Dev thread right now?? :D I've been shopping for a Galaxy S because I'm getting a little annoyed at seeing my collegue with one in hand... It has such a nice screen! But then again, I love the X10... I'm gonna wait until we get CM. ;)

I don't know why but seeing all this progress is so exciting! It's the reason I'm proud to be an X10 owner! haha
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] wewewawa06:
so...any good news？
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] diggfurious:
question

So they are working on CM-6 which i am very excited about, and to be honest, i'll probably go to it even if sony brings 2.1 because CM-6 is 2.2 and with that is flash and all those goodies. But, to my question, once this is finished. Will the X10 CM-6 be official and supported by Cyanogen or no?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] mezo9090:
it depends on Cyanogen himselg, maybe you should go ask him lol :p
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] ddewbofh:
In this case the sound appears to be identical, the display is somewhat similar (it's like changing the monitor for your computer but keeping the graphics card) and the RF chip appears to be identical. Of course I'm only basing this on official data from Qualcomm and checking through the config-file from the kernel so there's a chance it might be wrong, but I seriously doubt it.

It's the best thing about system-on-chip solutions, they're very easy to work with. :)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] genuinereyon:
I'm hoping they get it going soon, I'm impatient and seriously looking to upgrade to a phone with 2.1+
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] naveen_reloaded:
thnks ,

what does cynogen mod really brings to the x10 ? i mean apart from Android2+ , what other goodies can we expect and that too particular for x10 ? can we have a imprived camera drivers ? or even say muulti touch , even though se has said , there is no mt on x10 , but can we bring it alive ?

sorry for noob question though ... just in learning phase in android arena..

we should definately bring guys from se-nse along , they are great at modding cam / audio drivers ... and also in modding the themes... etc..
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] MeZmeriZe_:
If we get 2.2 apps will run much faster, the phone will be much more responsive camera improvements will mean 720p video and faster camera. We can install apps to sdcard we can get apps like the official twitter client which is not available for 1.6..... more stuff too like adobe flash.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] nite4evr:
Not just that, there will be muti-touch support too :)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] arj154:
actually thats a hardware restriction so multi touch wont work.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Luhccas-X10:
Where's the proof?Sony's note?

I don't trust in Sony's words since my old PSP slim...
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Ecstatic:
I thought Sony stated that multi-touch would be available with their release of 2.1
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] phat_cow:
they said the phone DOES'T doesn't multi touch due to hardware limitations!
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] james_2k:
it has also been said by the manufacturers of the touch panel that it is possible.

lets wait and see.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Alteran Ancient:
A Sony PR Rep declared that the X10 wouldn't support MT due to "hardware limitations", but my belief is that Sony are lying through their teeth, just so they don't get dragged into the Apple vs. HTC lawsuit regarding their use of multi-touch, among "violations" of Apple's other ridiculous patents.

Only days later after the PR's claim, a Sony technician contradicted what the PR rep said by stating that the hardware is actually "capable" and that the phone's inability to use multi-touch gestures is all down to software support. This sounds far more feasible, as most, if not all, capacitive touch screens should be physically capable of multi-touch.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] tuxStyle:
Well, you are right about system on chip but i'm pretty sure you can't compare the display with a monitor.

We have the digitize there ... which... wasn't identified by now ...

If sound/camera chips are not proprietary things are even easier :) but i assume they are made by sony.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] ddewbofh:
Yeah, the screen is a touch more complicated but from a software perspective it's pretty much the same. There are only so many ways to display stuff, and since it's a known chip that's being used in many devices it shouldn't prove all too difficult.

The camera I don't know, but it uses V4L, which is part of the kernel, which has to be opened up so that should be straightforward and the sound is integrated in the Snapdragon chip.

All in all it may be a bit fiddly but it's not a roadblock. It's not like we're porting Android for a iPhone or anything. :)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] andy8271:
is anyone working on 2.1 or is it just 2.2 right now ?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] gavriel18:
Yeah Sony Ericsson lol :p
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] naveen_reloaded:
thanks a lot for that reply...720p and APP2SD and faster ui ismuch welcome..

really wish we could some how enable it ...

sorry , but before few months , we heard from many sites and SE PR that we will have MT with upcomming 2.1 , then all of a sudden they withdrew their words..

CAn anyone confirm that our hardware DOESNT actually support MT ?

if we can confrim that , we can put the whole MT issue out once n for all
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] andyx8:
anyone seen this?

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[XPERIA X10 Android Development] MeZmeriZe_:
Some of the driver code is in the x10 source code downloaded off the se page... i vaguely remember seeing screen stuff in there. The wireless driver was definately there.

I still think SE don't want to risk HTC/Apple lawsuit and that is why se version will be lame with 2.1 and no multi touch. Would be silly to design hardware that didn't support it.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] naveen_reloaded:
is there a way to confirm that the hardware is really incapable to support MT ?

i heard someone ripping X10 off ...

also what is it stopping us from creating custom roms , when SE released the x10`s source code ?

we have all drivers with us ... then what is stopping us ?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] maxld:
Bootloader, this is stopping us
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] zhilix01:
when this cm 2.2 would work for x10???? i am waiting for it.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] final cut:
I dont know whats going on these days here, but it seems it's getting

worse. I really can understand everybody who is leaving...
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] arj154:
how is it getting worse? Some devs went on holiday for 2 weeks, thats why there was no progress... There very close now and I rekon we'll see CM6 (2.2) on the x10 by the end of the month. Just give them some time.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] final cut:
Oh you misunderstood my intention :)

My post does not refer to the devs. They are doing a great job. I am talking

about the users here. Everybody is crying for an Update and what do they do for it?

The devs do not owe anybody anything. They do all the hard work in their

free time. Luckily I am not one of them. Because posts like the one above my

first would stop me from developing something for the community. If it was only

one post, ok. But nearly everyday someone calls for Froyo. And of course it must be

for free.

There is a good reason why they moved to a private forum for working out the

root method.

Or just look at the threads about 2.1. They affront everybody who can not

prove in a minute everything you are talking about. I wouldn't be surprised

if someday all the devs are gone..
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] berbecverde:
People are excited about getting the 2. 2 and that is why they are asking every day. But the devs work is appreciated and I think they know this too, and they are not going to leave us. Besides a lot of people will donate for their work.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] arj154:
Ah sorry, I completely agree with you in that sense :). The devs work very hard and they arent getting paid really as you said. People should try and understand that and try and use the search function too.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] ixemun:
Doesn't matter if people are donating the devs or not, their attitude is a major factor. Imagine that you're a dev, someone is paying you $20 for root, yet comes to you everyday annoyingly asking when will it be done, do you think you can handle that? I don't think so, you'd rather give him back his $20 and start your work elsewhere in a quiet environment, same case where the devs discussed root in a private forum 2 months back.

If this keeps on going I'm sure the devs will leave
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] ddewbofh:
I'm pretty sure they have thick enough skin to handle impatient people. Most hackers aren't doing it for financial gain but for the thrill of it. Showing people what they did is incentive enough. Just because they don't post something for every little bit they flip it doesn't mean nothing's happening. All we can, and should, do is to hang tight and enjoy the end result.

In the end, if there's a way I have no doubt that they will find it. So unless you have something to contribute to the crack your best bet is to sit down, shut up and play around with other ****. :)

(Not aimed towards ixemun or anyone else for that matter, just whiners in general)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] HackitZ:
Well I agree with you, and this topic should be closed.

very useless and off topic at this point.

just my 2 pennies.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] ixemun:
exactly my point I was making to berbecverde, donations are irrelevant and does not help them to stay if there are a lot of impatient people. As thick as their skins might be, everyone has their limits if their works are not appreciated.

Good example - PSP and PS3, most well respected hackers left the scene due to whiners.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] ddewbofh:
Yeah, it's a shame when that happens. Unfortunately it doesn't look like impatience is going anywhere soon, people always want things done yesterday. :)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Zer0_:
RIP- Geohotz and Dark_Alex (M33 team) :(
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] ddewbofh:
I saw Geohotz mentioned in a couple of places on the web the other day. Something about him possibly having a part in the PS3 hack and that he'd been avoiding the limelight. Sony's been cracking down pretty hard on the retailers so it's not impossible that he's laying low to avoid getting sued or something.

It's just rumours and theories but who knows?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] iHim:
xperia x10i with 2.1 for sale

Since everyone is going crazy for 2.1 on x10. Here is an offer for you all, I am willing to sell my x10i with a pre-installed 2.1 from Orange.

Any offer?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] rvictorg:
Do a system dump for the community.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] LIQU1D5NAKE:
I will give you an xperia x10 on 1.6, a 3d samsung 50" plasma, matching surround system, £500 cash, a £100 voucher for gamestation, a £200 asda gift card, a horse, the fleas from the armpits of a thousand camels, A CUDDLY TOY and a gingerbread man.... Wanna trade?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] dreckis604:
Shut your face ihim. We all know your a liar
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] mezo9090:
You should have called yourself iFart , that would have fit you more likely.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Nankov:
Please stop feeding the troll! Don't let this thread become garbage too.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] iHim:
Is it free delivery?:p
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] ddewbofh:
I'm kinda curious over what's going on. I remember reading about them hitting a roadblock a while back. I hope that didn't stop everything dead in it's tracks, that'd be like crashing your car with half a lap left during Le Mans 24h.

Especially now that there's a flashable package/bootimage available for CM6 that lets you jailbreak the PS3. I've been dreaming about getting access to the full system for years now. :)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] ddewbofh:
Weird, double-post.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] iHim:
Can you see the light!!!

I am sure that many people who state things as facts, are actually not aware that it is merely their opinion but instead are convinced that they speak the truth. Don't fool yourself into thinking, even for a moment, that 2.2 or 3.0 will be on the x10. It's not possible because I telling you the truth! Don't con yourself into believing it will happen just beacuse you wanted to. Wanting will not make it so, so stop your whining.

Any doubt, just remember this 'Normal is what I am and the rest of the world are not'.:p
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Izzy_Deadyet:
It appears that the last few posters didn't read your manifesto on "thoughts on improving the tone of the X10 forums"

Although I agree with your post, for the most part, you must agree that it's never going to happen. Some people will always respond to trolling or what appears to be trolling, either with anger or humor. It happens at XDA and every other forum for every other subject on the internet.

Getting upset about about something that's impossible to control only creates grief for the person getting upset and not for the posters of those messages.

Sorry for being off topic. I posted this here only because the past few posts demonstrate "it is what it is".

One final thought. What XDA should do is give a developer the ability to create a public forum but only give posting access to those the OP invites. All others would only have read access. I'm sure the devs pretty much know each others names and could invite with a PM. This way they could share in peace and eveyone would know what's going on.

P.S. Your grammer and spelling is impressive ;)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] legend221:
A working CyanogenMod on the x10 would definitely be a good thing.

Sony disappointed with the 1.6 implementation right from the start.

The good thing is that GPS actually works unlike the Galaxy S variants that are being shelled out.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] brat81:
Maybe we could have the devs shed some light at where progress is at the moment and what hurdle they have struck ?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Reeonimus:
They will shed some light when there is something to tell us. They don't need us constantly asking. Patience is key.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] naplesbill:
Ok SELeak, the jig is up. We know your stupid game already.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Findee:
They don't need us constantly asking but it would be nice to just have an update one a day or two just saying "we're still stuck" or anything because that would also stop everyone asking how it's progressing.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] brat81:
Indeed i agree with you 100% weekly updates would be great even a blog of some sort.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] zyryck:
Let's make a twitter ! Lol.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] mezo9090:
Agree more with twitter, less effort than blogging, we can just follow them all :-)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] urs74:
@Bin4ryDigit is Bin4ry's twitter acct. he doesn't post much but he did post when the devs achieved root.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] iHim:
lol lol lol

A working CyanogenMod on the x10.

OMG! wake up people, what reality are you all coming from?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] tigger69:
Why dont you go a more appropriate forum for 12yr olds iHim instead of trolling here.

Can some mod ban this joker please?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] ptesmoke:
ill second that motion.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] naplesbill:
Third!

Take tomboss and SELeak with him.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] HunteronX:
Are you stupid or something?

I don't usually express myself like this, but what the hell are you going on about!

In fact, just read this page:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=726813&page=28

(And if you don't understand it, don't bother posting again, until you do.)

People like you are giving the wrong impressions to people.

According to this page, I'll give it about two weeks before we are able to have custom kernels, and therefore custom roms running on top of them on our X10's. The devs have been able to accomplish something that even Motorola Milestone and DroidX devs haven't been able to. It's brilliant! :D

Relating to CyanogenMod 6 - The 'build' could be ported, I think it's just a few driver issues that are the problem, and I think that most drivers can just be taken from any snapdragon phone's version, because the X10 has the same chipset.

If I'm wrong in any way, please point out the problem.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Reeonimus:
Agreed with HunteronX

This is from the Dev thread by jerpelea

They are able to boot the phone using a custom kernel. Granted right now it's only from the SD card but all that means is that when they encounter an error they don't have to re-flash the phone.

From what I understand it seems they've passed the largest hurdle.

We're a stones throw away from custom ROMs now.

Awesome work Dev team.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] tigger69:
Yes awesome work devs.

I personally apprieciate the time and effort you are taking to do this, i am too poor to donate but i do give you a very big thank you and a virtual pint.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] robbyf66:
hey DEVS thanks for your great work and focus towards this project. without you guys I'd go crazy lol Thanks for keeping us in the loop.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] arj154:
well done guys! You deserve a job at sony for achieving something like this! It seems you guys are very talented and I'm sure you'll go far in your career!
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] ghidda:
when is out the first CFW (custom fw)

i will first happy to donate :D

THX DEV
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] lisim:
Also very happy to donate great news
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] brat81:
I have half a bar once custom kernels is fully enabled my penis will be fully erect.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Bored God:
Excited

Everything else aside, I'm as giddy as a 16 year old girl. I'm so excited, I can't wait till custom roms are possible. Happy to have kept my x10. Thanks for your hard work devs.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] drobec208:
for user consolation http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=8054584&postcount=285 and similar.

please STOP TROLLING and spamming the DEV thread ( dev mean developer as it seems that not all understands it)

and for other - thank you for not doing it and sorry for feeding the troll :D
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] wongrhy:
What we can do right now is stop annoying the devs. team by asking when or what...Just give them the time to do their job..I think this would be a great appreciate thanks for their works.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] biktor_gj:
Rule #1 of the internet: don't feed the troll, that's why the "Report abuse" button is on each post :)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] consolation:
Who made you hall monitor? There's mods quite capable of removing posts as required. Now, stop brown nosing and get a life.

Sent from my X10i
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] brat81:
So we can see that the devs have been able to get the kernel to boot and have had problems with the ram disk has this been solved yet?

If so whats the next hurdle to get over ?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] consolation:
I think your assessment is rather optimistic.

Sent from my X10i
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] arizhasan:
might be in the wrong thread, but something related to an update has just surfaced.

Blog post: Android roadmap leaked for Xperia X10 family http://bit.ly/cYqh3Y
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] tigger69:
Looks legit to me, looks like the x10 was pretty much dropped as soon as they released it. I think i will sell mine and just keep the wildfire on 2.2 (ota or CM6 :D) and a pile of cash.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] arj154:
why the wildfire though? that thing isnt as powerful as the x10 and it cant run flash... i mean there very close to fully hacking the bootloader and it may only be a matter of weeks until we have froyo on the x10. Just be patient, just because sony wont support it, doesnt mean the dev community wont.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] tigger69:
tbh i'm not that bothered by a mega powered phone, the first smartphone i had was a t-mobile g1(htc dream) I loved that,it was'nt that powerful but was very moddable. This wildfire is'nt massivley powerful but is very moddable the same as the g1 as,and a little more oomph than the g1 had. I dont really need to play games on it, or vids, so it suits my needs pretty well. I swapped my iphone 3g for the x10 thinking it was pretty snazzy, i dont think it is. The best thing its got going for it over other similar smartphones is a 4" screen, and its not even MT capable ( and it bloody should be ) Why they released their top of the line android phone with no MT and with 1.6 on it is beyond me.

I guess its down to what your happy with, and the little wildfire is fine imo, no top 'o' the line fat boy, but its ok for now. I'll wait till next year now till i look at a top 'o' the line phone, and i dony think it will be a sony ericsson one i'm afraid.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] hossiam:
i m thinking of switching phones as well do you think the acer liquid e is a good choice? I m on rogers and basically that is my only other option. I have read enough on this forum and have decided to stay away from apple for now...since i invested so much in paid apps.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] chris_knows:
Acer Liquid would be a significant downgrade...If you want a new phone and don't mind switching over to Bell (I have a couple friends with them, none of them are happy), then you could check out the Samsung Captivate, which in most respects has better specs than the X10. Or if you don't feel like tricking Rogers and ending a contract, then you can wait a couple more months, because I've heard they're getting some variant of the Galaxy S too.

Or Telus has the Desire, which has pretty decent specs, and you don't have to deal with Samsung build quality.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] arizhasan:
if you guys are thinking of switching phones, wait for at least year end, am checking the dev thread regularly and it looks like if they can't beat sony for the September update, the 2.1 update from sony might help them in some way.

I too am disappointed with sony, but software wise,I love the phone, its powerful, sleek and it looks good, only matter of getting the os that this phone deserves and that its just a matter of time.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] RTC88:
After I read the link, my understanding is that this is just a roadmap for 2010 and updates for 2011 are to be announced.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] arizhasan:
yeah, and if its correct earlier reports of 2.1 out in September and 2.2 somewhere in December would be false. this says sony will probably be busy with 2.1 on Xperia series till the end of this year. I read that Canada will get its update in Q4
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] ghidda:
I' am thinking to send mt phone ;-)

Sent to my X10i R2BA026 Root

Regards Ghidda