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[Galaxy S I9000 General] MacGuy2006:
On the other hand, if you habitually hold your phone at 6" from your face, you should probably consult an optometrist :)

In practice, the pixels are indistinguishable from those of the EVO, or of the iPhone 3Gs. But, the overall experience is noticeably richer with the Super AMOLED, IMO.

The screen is the biggest thing this phone has going for it, and why I've decided to stick with it.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] drleospaceman:
I don't think you were seeing the sub pixel's pentile pattern. Sub pixels on any device are way too small to see; a camera macro is needed to see them, and you need to press your lense against the screen itself.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] AshMa:
The thing is, it had the same leaf and water live wallpaper that my Evo has and yet I could see that grid on it and not the Evo. 6 inches btw' was just to get closer because I thought I started to notice something.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] mrfil13:
I own the SGS and ive used a Iphone4 a few times, even though the res did look a little sharper, side by side you would have to be really picky to care, the colour of the SGS is much more noticable than the slight res difference.

The iphone4 just looked bland to me.

I have a iphone 3g for work as well, not as fast as the 3gs, but after owning the SGS for nearly 2 weeks i hate having to use the iphone.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] miker71:
I'm used to the pentile matrix since it was also on my Nexus One.

It definitely can give a rough looking edge on some elements but not enough to make me consider ditching the phone even for a moment.

I certainly cannot see the pentile matrix in photos and videos nor in games.

If pentile goes with denser pixels (say 1280x720) I don't think you'd notice it at all on a 4" screen, but it brings the benefits of increased battery life (though this may be marginal?)

Anyway, it can be seen but it really doesn't bother me personally.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] AshMa:
So you're saying that after sometime, one could get used to the screen and no longer notice the matrix? Unless of course Morpheus comes knocking to wake us up. :p
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Deedend:
Now everyone see the pixel.. because Steve said to watch it! :rolleyes:
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Mithent:
The screen is probably a net downside to the phone for me - high contrast ratio is great, but I'd sooner give that up than compromise on true resolution and sharpness from the PenTile matrix. It seems I'm in a minority with that opinion!

Unfortunately there's no real choice unless I want to start compromising on the rest of the hardware instead. The iPhone does send to set trends, for better or worse, and I do hope the iPhone 4 starts one for higher DPI phones. Going from QVGA to VGA was immediately a massive improvement.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] kcharng:
A little real life perspective here would be nice. 4" screen with 480x800 pixel resolution is one of the highest out there already.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] TravUK:
I tend to use my phone from about 18" away, so I care what the screen looks like, not the individual pixels. Plus my Sammy can update those pixels 3x faster than the Evo.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Arkymedes:
Exactly. The monstrous hardware behind the SGS is the real deal here. Even if this "pixelated screen" is a big deal for some people (definitely not my case...), the fluidity, contrast ratio, brightness and colors make more then up for it.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] dakine:
Six inches from your face??! Dude i cant even focus that close. The screen is awesome end of discussion.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Pika007:
When putting it very close to my face, yes, i can see the PenTile matrix.

But that's complete nonsense- it's visible only if you search for it and the screen is more than sharp enough for reading even small sized text in the browser.

On the other hand, i enjoy the true blacks and amazing colors the screen gives.

The iPhone 4 just can't compare, and while watching videos/playing games/taking or viewing pictures etc. that is a much more important factor.

I won't ever give away better color for some more PPI.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Evans_Prophet:
I really like hi-res panels (so much that I bought in 2003 a dell laptop with a 15.4 1920x1200 screen!), but I can assure you that the i9000 res will not be a problem. Of course I would have loved a higher RES - (and 2ghz and and and) but I think that the res is fine for reasonable distance viewing.

I think the real benefit of the screen are the colors, the contrast and the size. After some point the resolution is already good enough that you start focusing on other parameters as well.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] emelie:
this. and the far superior cpu/gpu/contrast/color power

go get steve out of your head ;)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] heygrl:
The black levels and depth easily make up for this. It's really not noticeable unless on most colors. It blows the HTC Evo out of the water that's for certain.

Who knows which screen you'll even get with that thing.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Pops_G:
When I had the HTC incredible with a AMOLED screen I fell in love with it after using this background.

The contrasts and the bright colors make you love the screen. It's not nearly as impressive on a LCD.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] kolyan:
I dont even know what u guys are talking about :) my nexus screen looks very nice to me. I dont even see any pixles.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] sensi_:
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[Galaxy S I9000 General] OrionTC:
coming from an Iphone 3g i personally think this screen is amazing, while i can see pixels i have 0 problems reading anything on the phone. internet browsing requires one small zoom and the browser re orders all the text for me and its perfect to read.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] AshMa:
Okay so some of these comments are a little off base, most of all the one, two posts up. Seriously now we’re all adults here right?!

Guys, I am the least of Apple fans; check my posting history here and anywhere else – same user name everywhere. Steve nothing! Have you ever got used to a plasma or LCD TV and then tried viewing a CRT again? Furthermore I’m not talking about resolution in regards to what I was put off by. Anyhow, I’m going to go see it one more time right now (Captivate this time) because I still have some hope that I’ll be won over.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Silverdragondk:
Talking about the pentile matrix? What do you mean by "screen door matrix"?

Why on Earth would you hold the phone that close to your face? Since you can see the pixel grid clearly, which I frankly have a hard time doing, clearly there's no problem with your eyesight... If you get put off by something you won't notice in normal use, aren't you really just looking for a flaw?

Can't really help ya since neither the iphone 4 nor the EVO are available in my country. However, it seems kinda weird to me, that you can see the pixels on Galaxy S and they put you off, yet you can't see them or they don't put you off on the EVO? It's the same resolution but the EVO has a bigger screen, so the pixels should be bigger, no?

I can't really see the pixels/matrix. It's kinda like watching something out the corner of your eye: It's there, but you can't really make out what it is. So no, it doesn't bother me in the slightest.

I'd also love to take certain features from other phones and put 'em all together. As with most things in life sadly you have to compromise.

Regards
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Mithent:
The screen door effect is when you can see black lines between the pixels. It's a common problem with digital projectors:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_door_effect
[Galaxy S I9000 General] AshMa:
Thank you!!! I failed to properly articulate what I was trying to convey. I was put off by those black lines around the pixels. I do not see those on the Evo or the iPhone. I do believe I have never seen that on any screen before now. So again not the pixel count but the lines around them which btw' I was NOT looking for. I have issues with what the iPhone is lacking and I am looking for an Android phone to take me away from Apple after my one week long first visit in iPhone land.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] systoxity:
I feel the retina display was a step in the right direction. I cant help but stress that capping tv's at 60 fps, movies at just 30, and dpi's low because its just "good enough" for the average person is a step backwards.

Ive tested several displays and in my opinion the monitor with the higher display rate and higher dpi always looks better regardless.

That being said, the super amoled screen is also a step in the right direction and is phenomenal in its own right. Comparing the super amoled to the retina at 6 inches away from your face is going to yield better results because the dpi on the ip4 is higher. Comparing the picture quality at a distance that demonstrates average use would yield different results. Also, you'll want to do this test with pictures not black and white text. The super amoled display will come out on top because of how well it represents colors.

all of you sitting at home should measure out 6 inches from your forehead to get an idea about how close the device would have to be to your eyes.

all and all i think we can all agree that the next step is super amoled + higher dpi/resolution or the best of both worlds as some would say.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] eaglesteve:
Of course nothing can compared to iPhone 4 in resolution. However, the advantage is the bigger screen size. So depending on what you values. All other things being equal, I would choose bigger screen size over better resolution provide the difference isn't too far off. I think SGS resolution is very good, in fact is the best non-iphone4 screen especially under the sun.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] AshMa:
AT&T sale girl wasted my time because there was no Captivate for me to test out today. Went back to another T-Mobile and tried the Vibrant again.

I see now that the screen just looks different and that in time one could get used to it. The black lines around pixels is most noticeable around text is what I noticed while looking at the text below icons on the home screen. YES the colors are very nice and the screen is what I would call the perfect Smartphone screen size. Those rough looking icon text will take a minute to get used to but there's a lot to like about this phone.

However nice the SGS is, I did notice that the T-Mobile version was sluggish while I was swiping across the different home screens and trying out the sms app. I'll get Captivate on Sunday and give it a try. Some folks suggested that I was looking for things to not like and now that I think about it again; that is true! I am looking for things to not like about the SGS as well as things to not like about the iPhone as well. The one that has the most or biggest things for me to not like, will be the one I let go and that's what I'm trying to accomplish; to let go of one and stick with the other, move on and enjoy it in my life rather than making it my life........
[Galaxy S I9000 General] heygrl:
I use GV so I can't comment on the SMS app but it's not sluggish, Samsung intentionally made it pause when going through the screens. You can see it happening even when you go slow.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Pika007:
I don't know what the hell is going with the Captivate, but i'd stay away untill everything is clear:

http://glbenchmark.com/result.jsp

To me it looks like AT&T's infamous meddling.

(and on a side note, look how the SGS just devistates the iPhone 4, and that's even before we got froyo! I love this device)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] tameracingdriver:
I'm actually quite surprised about folks criticising the screen on the SGS.

Me and an iphone 4 owning mate put the two phones side by side, and we both agreed they are equally good but for different reasons. Yes the iphone 4 is super sharp and high res, but the SGS screen is significantly bigger and superficially more impressive with brighter colours, better contrast and at first glance, we agreed the SGS probably would impress the neutral most at first viewing.

Techradar also did a round up of the IP4, Desire and SGS and they preferred the screen of the SGS over the IP4 (and both of those ripped the Desire a new one for the screen quality).

Good quality screens are underrated on phones - they are the thing you look at and interact with at all times so the better the screen, the better the experience.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] eaglesteve:
Spot on. They're both good for different reasons. Of course I hope my next phone is iPhone's screen but 4.3 inch in size:D
[Galaxy S I9000 General] mickeko:
I'd rather have a 4.3" superAMOLED at 1280x720 resolution (and the necessary DPI to match) on my next phone. :)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] eaglesteve:
Of course, what I really meant is to maintain the DPI after the screen size increase. There is no question that iPhone has the best resolution now, but I also have no doubt that others will follow very soon.

For those interested to see the comparision between iPhone 4 and SGS screen, here is the link:

http://www.engadget.com/photos/iphone-4-vs-samsung-galaxy-s-displays-at-full-brightness/
[Galaxy S I9000 General] kcharng:
Your wish will come true because soon apple will release Iphone 4.1 and call their screen 'retanal' display.

Sucks to be iphone groupies with you have to buy into everything iphone. :D
[Touch Cruise Android Development] alinescoo:
So I flashed froyo and started looking for flash player to test it. In Market I managed to find some Adobe Showcase but that isn't flash player runtime. I went to adobe's website and followed the link to download the player. It redirected me to Market but I got a message saying that the item wasn't found.

What to do next ?
[Windows Mobile] sh1nichi:
hi guys, i am trying to cook wm 6.5 build 23569. I have managed to boot it in my device o2 Atom. However, after it boot into the today screen (titanium), the touch screen mess up. whenever i tap the screen anywhere, it is always showing me the top taskbar menu. i cant tap the screen down or up, but i still able to go down or go up by using hardware button. i think the touch screen mess up because there is no touch screen calibration after it boot the first time. i have tried to edit .rgu file in OEM driver to

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Welcome]

"Disable"=dword:FD

"Disable"=dword:EF

but, the touch screen calibration still does not show up. any others way to make the touch screen calibration show up after it boot in the first time? i believe this is not hardware problem because i have tried to flash my device to another ROM and the touch still work perfectly.
[Windows Mobile] Spiaatie:
Use this reg key:

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Welcome]
"Disable"=dword:FFFFFFFD

There will be only calibaration screen.

You can't use two reg keys with same name.

In your case you will get only location screen.

:)
[Windows Mobile] sh1nichi:
The calibration screen still does not show up after i add this to the .rgu :(. Sigh..after struggling to make it boot...i still need to tackle the problem after it boot too. Cooking really difficult :mad:
[Windows Mobile] + Que PPC:
is not so easy bud ;) and nobodys told that jijiji :p why you dont try dump again the stock rom then use th enew dumped OEM ;) then or after all of this try to search for an EXT pkg that maybe disable that... remember that ext pkgs are cooked at the end of all process ;)
[Windows Mobile] sh1nichi:
i have tried to dump the new OEM from stock ROM, but the touch still mess up and calibration screen still not show up :(. do i need to recmod the OEM driver?? will it make a different whether i recmod or not?
[EVO 4G Android Development] justinisyoung:
this is a kernel that i compiled direct from toast's HTC-Supersonic-2.6.29 source. toast and netarchy all put in their fixes and enhancements so i take no credit but altering the kernel that netarchy posted in this http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=719763 thread.

this is based off his 3.7.1 kernel that enables around 55-57 fps on both epson and novatek screens. Like he said, it disables the HDMI so if you need that, don't use this. in fact, this kernel will have all the issues that netarchy's 3.6.2 might have, but the touchscreen does work and you should still get ~55 fps average on fps2d.

this means that the kernel also comes with overclock and undervolt, compcache modules, audio boost and everything.

the kernel that's included is only compatible with ClockworkMod recoveries, sorry for those who use Amon_RA! i can't seem to make a working boot.img, and koush's way of updating kernels also is a lot easier to use :D

i highly highly doubt this has the possibility to break your phone but if it somehow does, i don't take responsibility.

once again, all credit goes to netarchy, toast, and all other people who i may have missed.

if you're using this kernel and get around 40 or so frames per second, here's probably the best thing to do. go to setCPU into the Advanced tab, and set the Up threshold to a value between 65-75. I chose 65 and i consistently get 55-57 average with stdev of 4 or 5.

edit: i just compiled a new kernel straight from Netarchy's sources, as he says that he updates his to the latest at all times. so, the new version is 3.6.4, because that's what his is. remember, this is exactly the same as his kernel, except that i just modified something to make it work for Froyo ROMs.

enjoy!!

edit: wifi does work, i think it's just that for some people who are flashing it over a ROM it might not work. I re-flashed evolution v9 and wi-fi worked again :D
[EVO 4G Android Development] scooter185:
using amon ra 1.7.0.1 i got

E: Missing file:

system/lib/modules/bcm4329.ko

E: verification failed

Installation aborted

:(
[EVO 4G Android Development] infamousjax:
this DOES NOT work.... but thanks for playing ;)
[EVO 4G Android Development] justinisyoung:
yeah i doubt it works on amon ra, cause it's something made for clockworkmod. could you flash clockworkmod and then try this kernel, and tell me if it works?

btw, the bcm4329 appears because i found a kernel that i could use so i just replaced the zImage inside it. the original one was supposed to put the bcm4329 in /system/lib but i took it out cause it wasn't necessary.
[EVO 4G Android Development] bobdude5:
will this work on the froyo sense rom?
[EVO 4G Android Development] justinisyoung:
could you please explain a bit more what's not working?
[EVO 4G Android Development] mrono:
http://www.failhorn.com/
[EVO 4G Android Development] Tenny:
Wow... brutal guys.
[EVO 4G Android Development] justinisyoung:
look, guys.

i'm not trying to trick you guys. why don't you guys tell me what's wrong instead of telling me "fail" and giving me some stupid crap like failhorn.com

it works 100% fine on my phone, running EVOlaunchv9 froyo. so why don't you tell me what's not working and NOT be douches about it?
[EVO 4G Android Development] warmthsound:
Douches.

Thanks for making this, man. I've been waiting for this kernel to support Froyo. Works great so far. Only thing is Wifi Tether isn't working, despite trying to reflash the fix from ffolkes thread. Might have something to do with clockwork recovery, though.
[EVO 4G Android Development] justinisyoung:
thanks. yeah i just noticed that wifi in general isn't working... and i can't figure it out. there might be something else i missed... but i'll keep looking.
[EVO 4G Android Development] MrDSL:
thanks I'll load this up later when I flash my froyo build again.
[EVO 4G Android Development] iikon_69:
Can you not use that patch that is in the Nova FPS kernel thread for the 802.11 N and 4G. Just a thought, when I flashed to the kernel in that thread I lost my wireless too and then i flashed that patch and it started working again. I am new to this game, sounds logical to me lol.
[EVO 4G Android Development] drunkenmonger:
Worked great on my phone, running Damage Control's newest. The only thing is that I had 5 points of touch with the kernel just for the novatek screen and 44fps. With this kernel I only had 3 points of touch and only 41fps. Still good work, dont let those other guys get you down. Thanks :D
[EVO 4G Android Development] amdchip:
Noticed this is based off 3.6.2

Maybe the wifi problem will go away if 3.6.3 is used instead. Looks like the audio boost patch was removed as it was causing problems with bluetooth, and no fluffy pink bunnies were harmed in the making of 3.6.3 so its peta approved :)
[EVO 4G Android Development] nonpointtruth:
I had 5 touch points using Dotty on ffolkes kernel.. Only got two with this one.

Sent using the power of swype.
[EVO 4G Android Development] Sporkman:
good god there are some real ******** on this board as of late !

op thx for the work when i flash a 2.2 ill give it a shot
[EVO 4G Android Development] MrDSL:
Way to show this Guy support you tools!!!!!!!!
[EVO 4G Android Development] dschoenike:
tried it running evolution v9. everything worked great except for wifi which was already stated. appreciate the work you've done. thx
[EVO 4G Android Development] justinisyoung:
when i get home from work i'll see if i can build the kernel again. it might be 3.6.3-based if netarchy and toast updated the kernel source on github, but otherwise we'll be stuck with this one till they do so.

sorry about the wifi guys, i spent a few hours and i could not get it to work. but if you flash the wifi/4g fix on ffolkes's kernel's page (the link is on the first post), you'll get wifi tether working at least :)
[EVO 4G Android Development] amdchip:
Cool, thank you. Appreciate your time and effort :)
[EVO 4G Android Development] justinisyoung:
sorry, guys, but the source wasn't updated so there won't be a 3.6.3 kernel based off of netarchy's
[EVO 4G Android Development] ek9manr:
Thanks for this it is working lovely.....I'm getting about 55fps after adjusting setcpu
[EVO 4G Android Development] Android 17:
Thanks for this! Unlike some of the other people on the thread, I appreciate your work on this.

I was becoming a little annoyed that the kernels for 2.1 were being updated, but Froyo was being neglected.

Tried adjusting the cpu settings to 65 and it worked nicely too.

Hope you keep this updated, ignore all the haters :)
[EVO 4G Android Development] netarchy:
My github page is always updated whenever I release a new revision, sometimes there is a delay before toast pulls changes upstream to the main godmode source git, or there may be some experimental stuff in my git that doesn't get moved up, but mine is always up to date with changes to my releases.

Nice to see more people taking initiative to work on stuff ;)
[EVO 4G Android Development] justinisyoung:
yeah, it started out as more just trying to do something i never had time. i was running froyo so i just made the small change to make it work :)

btw, i can't seem to get wifi working. i'll try building directly from your source and see if that makes a difference first, though
[EVO 4G Android Development] mrmomoman:
Thanks for the Contribution OP. Glad you have tough skin. There are some Douches on here that have nothing to contribute.

I hope you get the Wifi to work correctly. This will obviously give this update some traction.
[EVO 4G Android Development] tommy96814:
camera doesnt work right?
[EVO 4G Android Development] MrDSL:
THE CAMERA DOESNT WORK IN FROYO PERIOD RIGHT NOW!!

Thank you for this..working great and getting a solid 50 fps. No wifi but you know that already..
[EVO 4G Android Development] mrmomoman:
Say it ain't so no camera in Froyo? That is headline news worthy :-)

You are getting 50fps and all I get is a measly 45fps. Going to trade it in now for more geebees and three gees with an iwontphone 4.

Froyo with fps fix wimax and cameras. Ahhh. Heaven.
[EVO 4G Android Development] beerock:
wifi is working fine for me V9............have not tried tether cause um, I dont need that.

Thanks for taking the time to make this work with 2.2, sure wish Mods would just start banning these jerkoffs that contribute nothing , and waste space. I bet their own Mother don't like em'.