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[Nexus One Themes and Apps] MetBo:
so, this will mean, that we only have to add the lib and then the keyboard will run?
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] oswade:
Is this keyboard really multi-touch? I'm not sure exactly how to test if it is... but on my i9000 i can't press more than one key at once, they wont both be recorded...
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] MetBo:
any progress?
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] Legacystar:
i can get this file when my roomate gets home with his captivate
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] MetBo:
i have the full system dump, and no, i didnt find this file. I also added the xt9core.so to my lib folder on phone, but no success.

maybe there is another lib, which we need?
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] FunkyMcBain:
Oh man excited to hear this, I loved the kb on my iphone
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] FunkyMcBain:
Any news on this?
[Captivate General] derek4484:
I got a Captivate yesterday. I thought it was supposed to have 512MB of RAM. I installed Advanced Task Killer and its telling me I only have 100MB of free memory after I kill everything. Whats that all about? Shouldnt there be a lot more than 100MB free? I tried a Droid out last November and it only had 256MB of RAM and it would have 100MB free after doing a task kill on it. Where is the extra 256MB of RAM gone to?
[Captivate General] voogru:
I heard it was an operating system limitation in 2.1, which was increased in 2.2 to 512MB or higher.

Which basically means, they better freaking get on the ball with 2.2.
[Captivate General] derek4484:
I hope you're right. Can anyone else confirm this?

I cant wait for someone to release a stock 2.2 ROM for this phone. I bet with the JIT compiler in 2.2 and the Hummingbird CPU in this phone it will absolutely fly!
[Captivate General] sn1per420:
Between full flash 10.1 and JIT in 2.2, I really hope that either the official update or a stock ROM makes it to the Captivate before the end of August.

Though really, I want stock. About the only think I like about TouchWiz is the contacts app.
[Captivate General] rohizzle121:
I totally agree. Im excited for that. Are we just waiting for Google to release or something? Or a Dev team?

I thought the 2.2 source code was released so that everyone. Can use it.

And didt Samsung pretty much open the phone.

Proudly Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I897
[Captivate General] derek4484:
Waiting for Samsung to release the source code for the US version of these phones. They released the source code for the international version, but others have said its different enough so that it wont properly work.
[Captivate General] REAVER117:
I believe the 256MB issue is a kernel limitation. We shouldn't have to wait until Froyo as soon as someone compiles a kernel with HIGHMEM support we should have access to the full 512MB...hopefully something based on mainline 2.6.35.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] HelloH:
UPDATE: All sources are available from Samsung now!!! Even the video drivers! And the bootloader indeed accepts unsigned images :)

Hi guys!

I heard lots of contradicting stuff on the future-proofness of SgS...

The most disturbed(sic) being "encrypted drivers" :mad:

Therefore I really-really would like to know:

Is the source for the video module available somewhere?

Are any of the (other) kernel modules closed source?

Are any of the (for full hardware functionality) essential userspace components closed source?

Are any of (1) (2) (3) encrypted/protected against reverse engineering?

Does the bootloader accept unsigned kernels? (As far as I could google, it does, but you never know...)

Thank you very much! It is really hard to find definite info on these subjects.

UPDATE: All sources are available from Samsung now!!! Even the video drivers! And the bootloader indeed accepts unsigned images :)
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] HelloH:
I researched myself, and...

There are 3 separate kernel modules (base, lcd, 3d) for video. NEITHER of these are open source. AFAIC google, no open source alternatives exists.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] HelloH:
AFAIK the rest of the kernel, and its modules are open source.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] dalingrin:
I would love to know this too.
[Galaxy S I9000 Android Development] HelloH:
The best I could find is some (older) Nokia PowerVR SGX drivers, but - since only the architecture is licensed from ImgTec, and not the hardware - these are not likely to work without any heavy tweaking... even in 2D.
[Captivate General] ekruse:
I stopped by an AT&T corporate store to get a hands on with the Captivate. The salesperson there tried to tell me that the standby time on the device was 15 days if you kept apps from running by downloading an app killer. I asked if he really meant 15 days if no radios were running. He said "nope, 15 days is pretty easy".

Really, folks... what is reality here? Is it similar to other smartphones, where a day with moderate use is reasonable?
[Captivate General] anosis:
There is no way the phone will last 15 days in standby even with a good task killer. How can the sales rep tell you this if he only had the phone in store for 2 days?
[Captivate General] ekruse:
That's a very good point... but he was very sure of his claim. I pulled out the "I'm very skeptical" response and walked away. Oh well, looks like once again, truth is in the internets somewhere, not in someone who should know such things.

Another element to this is whether an upgrade to 2.2 will increase battery life. I work away from any ability to charge and really need a phone to hold up all day.
[Captivate General] anosis:
Well, my N1 holds charge for about 1 day with moderate use. As soon as I play with the GPS and google's built in nav system I get maybe 4 hours worth of usage. Another issue I have with my N1 is that my car charger cannot keep up with the drain, so even plugged into the charger the battery percentage is decreasing. Sure hope the Captivate is better in that respect.

Froyo did increase battery life a bit but it is not earth shattering. The advantage of this phone is the larger capacity battery and hopefully a less power hungry samsung processor than the qualcom snapdragon.

I am sure within the next few days we will have some folks with more concrete consumption estimates.
[Captivate General] Lucke:
i don't know... while the 15 day claim is a bit much, mine was fine with heavy usage all day yesterday on the half charge that it came with from AT&T... given that, i think that it should last 2-4 days easily with only light-moderate usage.
[Captivate General] TexUs:
My battery lasts me all day. It's just marginally worse than my 3GS I think... My 3GS always had extra at the end whereas my Captivate seems to run out when I'm going to bed.

So... It lasts all day. That's really all that matters to me.
[Captivate General] Denoh:
My battery has not been able to make it through the day. Don't know why yet. I have my email accounts set to 30 minute sync schedule, have Wi-Fi and bluetooth off. Don't know what is going on. Still researching. Will see how it goes for a week. Might be a bad battery.
[Captivate General] systoxity:
i find that dark backgrounds help. Also keep unecessary things off and dl an app killa. I had a new captivate today at 10am and with its half charge and heavy usage it lasted me till 6
[Captivate General] systoxity:
by heavy usage i mean constant surfing and dling shiz. I didnt use gps wifi or play a movie. also played that free mario game for bout an hour.
[Captivate General] Bjd223:
After about 11.5 - 12 hours of very light browsing (maybe like 1/2 hour 3g surfing, no calls, all apps killed with task killer every once in awhile) with Bluetooth and Wifi off I am at 68% left. This is with auto brightness.

I'd say if you don't do anything you might be able to get 3-4 days out of it. According to my battery stats 78% of all my battery usage has been the screen. Keep that thing off / or low brightness and you are going in the right direction.
[Captivate General] labbu63:
i bet by standby att means the phone being not used and turned off for like 4 days lol
[Captivate General] Denoh:
Thanks systoxity, I will try that
[Captivate General] magicman0:
By dark, he means a background that has a lot of black in it. This is really helpful because the Super AMOLED screen on this phone turns off power to pixels that are black, so basically that part of the screen isn't using any power. A black background is almost like turning the screen off.
[Captivate General] systoxity:
this, thanks for clarifying.

note: it further helps if you apply a static one.
[Captivate General] mesasone:
I was able to listen to music for 6 hours at work, show off my phone (I only showed it directly to one co-worker - I had 5 other guys come to check it out after he told them about it lol!), did some light surfing, downloaded a few apps and generally fiddled around with the phone and ended up at 43% battery. Not great, but not terrible either. Screen was the big killer here. GPS and WiFi off except to test Layar.

We'll see if battery life improves, but it enough to make it through one day easily for me. Forget to charge it and it'll be flat early into the next day though. I'm a bit disappointed, considering benchmarks on the Galaxy S came up with nearly 8 hours of constant video playback. I think they had brightness at 50% and I kept setting mine to max to show off the screen and then forgetting to set it back, so that could be part of it. I was definitely expecting more though. I'm clearly not the most demanding user here, so I was hoping to potentially eek out two days of usage (just in case I forget to charge it).

One of the reasons I went with the Captivate instead of waiting for the Epic is that the form factor seems to be a bit more amenable to adding an extended battery. Hopefully we'll start to see some 2500mAh or even 3Ah batteries show up - even if it means getting a new backcover. THAT should just about do it :)
[Captivate General] warri:
Also the Super AMOLED Screen sucks alot less Juice as well...

My friend has the Vibrant and has had it for about 4 days. He is a power-user like me, and he said with his task killer, he can run the phone for 2 days on a full charge. This is outstanding for a smart phone... I ordered my Captivate today, should be here on Wednesday so I'll also put this to the test!
[Captivate General] systoxity:
better battery life is coming once devs hop aboard. Also, your phone will need training over the next few days so it can only get better from here for you. I also recommend just leaving brightness on auto detect. You wont have to play with it as much and forget it on super bright.

Some more tips:

idk if you guys like haptic feedback but i think its annoying as all hell. Turn it off to save an iota of battery.

Also tone responses for menu clicks? ANNOYINNGG turn that shiz off for a squirt of juice.

Lastly, unless you live by your email, turn sync off and only sync manually when ur curious about it.
[Captivate General] mesasone:
I wonder about some of the widgets. I have Weather And Toggle Widget (which I prefer over Beautiful Widget), and have it set to update the weather every 30 minutes. Wonder if that's too often. The weather in Iowa can be very unpredictable and change quickly, but I'm inside all day so it doesn't really matter. I guess it's just eye-candy mostly.

I also wonder how WATW compares to BW in terms of battery consumption.

I turned haptic off (I agree, it was annoying). I turned the tones off, though I doubt that will affect battery life. I wish I could keep the tones for dialer and kill it for the keyboard.

EDIT: I keep reading about this idea that you train your battery (or device) to your usage, but I'm not sure that I understand/buy it. I could see perhaps something to do with the memory effect if these batteries are susceptible to it, but this idea of "training" it strikes me as very odd. Does Android have some kind of battery optimization algorithm that adjusts services based on your usage or something?
[Captivate General] systoxity:
from what i understand, calculating battery life is like a guessing game. calibrating your device by letting it drain out and then fully charging it and draining it out again completely gives your phone an idea of just how long it can last on a single charge. Until you do a few cycles like this it will incorrectly display batter life percentage giving the user a false sense of security or panic. There may be more to it that has to do with the actual battery itself but idk the rest of the details.

and 30 min updates is a bit much lol. u should update like once a day and manually refresh if you need to know b4 u go out.
[Captivate General] k2snowboards88:
I'm getting very good battery life on my phone. As good as any iphone I've had and better than any of my windows mobile phones before that. I don't have any widgets constantly pulling down data though and only have my google account syncing contacts and calendars and an exchange account running.
[Captivate General] rodimus_prime:
100% last night at midnight, dead by 7pm today

of course i do use wifi and bluetooth and gps for alot of the day
[Captivate General] bjabah:
7am I had 100% charge. Had medium usage today, few calls, playing with gps during work breaks, etc and I was at 69% when I got in my car at 5:15pm.

Very acceptable bat life for me.

Of course, I also bought 2 spare 1500mah bat's and a bat. charger to keep me going while in a deer stand for 12 hours. Hey, if there are no deer around, that makes a great time to read / surf the 'net. Can't wait to video some wildlife in 720p.

bja
[Captivate General] dinohaven:
So i have had a lot of cell phones as of late. Probably too many. But my testing over the past 5 days is that i unplug the phone at 7am and have to cjarge it at around 6pm at 0% remaining. This would be compared to Evo's 3pm drain and Aria's 10pm drain...

Ahhh...android is a poer hungry OS..
[Captivate General] Bjd223:
Batterys have a small chip in them that reports the percentage of remaining battery life. You have to do a few full cycles before it is accurate the problem is that modern lithium ion batterys should not be drained all the way if it can be avoided.

Some people like to take the batterys down to zero once every like 3-6 months to reset it. Some one would have to confirm the galaxy s battery is using this tech.

This is the same reason why most phones with extended batterys that are 3rd party do not correctly show the remaining life.
[Captivate General] anosis:
Good point !!

The difference between LED and LCD screens is that blacks on LED are pixels that are actually off, so no power consumed, whereas LCD is blocking the backlight from shining through. You'll notice that LED TV's are much darker than LCD screens for that reason when they are showing a black background. Each LED pixel generates it's one light, thus the brighter it is the more it consumes.

This was also why Samsung used really dark themes on the i8000 to keep that consumption down when it came out.

The mods available on the N1 do the same by theming all the screens as dark as possible.
[Captivate General] madjsp:
I unplugged my phone this morning around 7:30 am. Did some playing at work, some google voice, web browsing, talking on the phone. My battery was flashing almost dead at 10:53 pm.

I'd say for a day that's not too bad.

I had my weather bug updating every 15 minutes since there was a huge storm coming in. I always need to see how much the Cubs are losing by (so I have espn score center running). I had Engadget, Facebook, and Twitter running as well as widgets. I removed the Engadget widget since I never look at it.

I played on the market and downloaded some free stuff too! I've changed my background, edited some of the updating, and did some more tweaks.

I do have Juice defender running, but I didn't get the ultimate yet.
[Captivate General] gTen:
Ahm..LED TV is still LCD..it just uses WLED as a backlight instead of the standard backlight...AMOLED has no backlighting at all...

As for battery saving..If you have a blue home screen that I see in the videos..thats not the best one to use..energy efficiency is the worst on blues..black is your best friend and red is your 2nd best friend with greens coming in for 3rd...

As for the 15 days...thats a bit stretching it..maybe with all radio off, all apps off, all sensors off it may be able to pull it off...but battery on this device is probably one of the best...some people even gotten 2 days worth of battery live under regular use...one reviewer even got 84 hours somehow :/
[Captivate General] TexUs:
LEDs, as the above poster said, are still LCDs. It just switches from using a CFL type bulb to using LEDs as the backlight.

And LED backlit displays can be darker because some of the newer tech actually allows the LEDs in a black area to be shut off completely, whereas the entire bulb in a CFL backlit is still lit. But the downside to that tech is it results in what's called the blooming effect, which can be distracting depending on what you're looking at.

LEDs aren't small enough to actually be a "pixel" on anything save for a jumbotron, as AMOLED is a different tech all together.
[Captivate General] anosis:
Thanks for the clarification. Guess I need to talk to my source ;-).
[Captivate General] uberamd:
Wifi actually uses less battery than 3G I believe.
[Captivate General] centex99:
Argh... you all talk of high results... I've had the phone since Friday and my battery life has been much worse...

I've used it casually today... did do an extensive backup of apps at one point... but otherwise, just browsed XDA a bit, and sent some texts and maybe a 3 minute phone call...

I unplugged at 6am, and am at 50% @ 2:25pm.

Is that usual or high draining? It says my screen is main source of power usage... I have it turned all the way down and not on auto... though even the dimmest seems kind of bright imho. All other radios off except for maybe 5 minutes of playing with the GPS this morning.
[Captivate General] TexUs:
I'm at 67% right now and I unplugged after 7AM... So that doesn't seem unheard of to me. You got an app killer installed?

Setting your background to black will also help.
[Captivate General] centex99:
have an app killer installed and keep most everything killed but my home screen stuff... i'm running launcher pro, beautiful home widget, and battery % widget and switchpro... also have gmail on sync... no wifi (don't have access at work).

screen background is the mesh that is mostly black...
[Captivate General] alaiwy:
I used mine heavily for a full day and it was a bit below half. 15 days is probably unrealistic but if it were in airplane mode etc and in "standby" aka turned off. it may last that long.
[Captivate General] Krynn!:
Especially when you're in an area with weak signal.

My office has horrid cell signal. Yesterday by 4pm my battery was at about 20% remaining. I've got K-9 Mail running IMAP idle against two servers, and I was fiddling with it every few minutes. This morning I set my wifi to stay active all the time (as opposed to shutting down when the display is off). Today at 4pm, I'm at 58% remaining. And that's with me playing with it a little more than I did yesterday. :D
[About XDA developers] svetius:
Hey everyone,

Migrating the old wiki to the new software is a big job, and thanks to everyone that is contributing! If you want to contribute and you're not doing so already, send me a PM and I will give you the information you need to help.

This thread shall act as a central place for discussion relating to the migration of the wiki. In the end, we want the wiki to act as an information-rich, well-organized database that XDA users can refer to for information about the things we discuss most here at XDA.

P.S. I'll be keeping an eye out for the most active contributors to the migration and population of the wiki. We will need a couple of Wiki Admins after this process is complete to ensure the smooth running of the new wiki going forward. =D

DaveShaw EDIT

Attached is a wiki syntax converter.

It's in WPF and .Net 4.0 so it might need the latest .Net Framework from MS.

I'll post updates in this thread.

PM me bugs.
[About XDA developers] DaveShaw:
I'm in on this and happy to answer any phpWiki / media wiki questions.

I have a tool for converting between the syntax's if anyone's interested.

I'm just adding support for tables and then I will post it up.

I'm also trying to head up some projects and get some standards / policies on the wiki, but the main job is getting stuff over.

If you can try and follow the examples others are doing on there, we'll have a ver nice wiki at the end of it.

The [[HTC Rhodium]] page is what I'm hoping most of the structure will be, but it's a wiki, and anyone can change that.

Dave
[About XDA developers] orb3000:
Congrats to all the team!

A new Wiki will be very welcome:)
[About XDA developers] Bnorus:
Willing to help on the Nexus one and general android article. XDA wiki is great !
[About XDA developers] ThaDeanesta:
Yeah I think once the Wiki is done it will look really nice! I've been doing alot of work with the devices.
[About XDA developers] DaveShaw:
Posted my wiki syntax converter (with table support) in the first thread.
[About XDA developers] ohhyeahh:
Yeah in porting some pages over I've either noticed the old page has lots of invalid links or the page is just a mess. I agree that we should just work on getting everything over to the new wiki and then later on we can work on cleaning it all up and enforcing some standards.

The phone template is a great start. The phone pages should be named by MANUFACTURER_DEVICE_NAME instead of just the DEVICE_NAME. I've seen some pages that are not named like that or end up being re-directs of some sort to the above syntax.

We need a table class so all the tables can be standardized. I've been using this simple style to create a less ugly table

{|border="1" cellpadding="3" style="border-collapse: collapse;"

For those who are porting images over, it seems everything from the original wiki is on the new domain however files in the /uploads/ folder from the old wiki should be moved to the proper directory on the new wiki. Can we also allow some other file types in the uploader besides images? PDF, .doc, .zip?

Also it seems some pages are missing from the old wiki? I'm not sure if that is just incorrect syntax on the old wiki or not. Remember to read or post on the discussion pages if you have ideas or questions about a specific page. I've certainty been leaving some notes and questions there.
[About XDA developers] DaveShaw:
I'm naming / moving pages from [[Rhodium]] to [[HTC Rhodium]] and leaving re-directs.

If you see any pages that need deleting, bang the {{delete}} template on them and I'll take a look.

The old wiki had missing pages, if they're not there, then they are probably gone, but you can post some links and I'll take a look.

As for CSS, can you edit the MediaWiki:Common.css page? I doubt it, but I will have a look at the styles and that later, for now I am just sticking the equivalent of <table border="1"> on each table so I can see the rows.

I also know some decent wiki coders, who I'm going to ask to help me with the basics.

Dave
[About XDA developers] hilaireg:
The User Help -> Formatting section of http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Contents covers Tables (bottom of page) and such. I've been using the guide quite a bit while porting (migrating) the Raphael section of the wiki.

HTH,