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[Windows Mobile Themes] JVH3:
I can understand his desire to have a donators only version. I may even make the next update to my weather app available only to donators or those that contribute productively to the xda community. Kind of the same model as olinex and cmonex for SIM unlocking phones. There are lots of ways to contribute. CJB helps tons of people on the Rhodium NRG thread. Others, such as NRGZ28 make ROMs. Others, such as myself make apps and do a little Lua programming and help out on the Rhodium Energy ROM thread.

I have about 10000 users of my Weather City Editror app and have maybe received $300 in donations. Those donations came from about 30 users, maybe 40. A far cry from the 10000 users. And that doesn't even count the users of ROMs that have it cooked in. That leaves over 9960 users that did not donate even $1. I have over 100 hours (maybe 200 or 300) invested in it.

Pretty sure XDA does not prohibit him from distibuting his free version as long as his paid version is distributed outside of XDA and not advertised on XDA without paying XDA for advertising. It could be distributed on Microsoft market place, his own website, or something completely different. They are seperate products. He tweeted it. He did not post it. A different user posted it.

Will people actually respect his rights to it? Much of his work is actually editting or replacing the graphics in the works of Co0kie. Therefore he has no legal leg to stand on, since will need to distribute Co0kie files. Of course he is in his rights to not distribute anything at all. I hope that most people do respect his wishes and he does have a distribution mechanism.

The spirit of the community is suppose to be about sharing, but the vast majority on xda-developers are not developers, do not donate, and only search the site for things they want for free. I totally understand the desire for some compensation when hours, days, and weeks go into a project. Basically, a fast food job pays better for your time than supplying something to the community and hoping for donations. It's my belief that if you are here consuming from someone that has skills far greater than your own, that you should be throwing some money around.

I for one will be sending a donation. Not because I am wanting the next paid version. I just put this on my phone yesterday for the first time and am very impressed with it.

I wish there was some model here on xda that would financially benefit actual developers based on amount of downloads and value that the dev wants per download. I think alot of talent goes away after realizing how little is donated compared to the time spent to make something for the masses.

As developers, we do need to realize that alot is given to us by xda-developers as well. Hence 2 stars by name for donating 20 Euros to xda-developers. NRGZ28 gets on average about $10 per month from me in donations.

Capitalism exists for a reason.

Development takes hard work and specialized skills. To ensure xda-developers retains highly skilled devlopers, people should donate appropiately. Especially if they are not willing or able to do the work themself.
[Windows Mobile Themes] geas:
my 2c

I've just finished to customize my Omnia 2 the .sencity-way I want... (for now :D )

So... here we go:

*I'm on nOObody and Rapid Sense 2.5 AIJH1 rom (it's a 6.5) @ MoDaCo

*Taskbar is Metro Taskbar from qitt

*Samsung's default dialer skin is from ular_king (MoDaCo) 6th Style - Metro Skin (JG5)

*I've included the mods to S2U2 from MusikMonk and modified some files on my own:

-extract and copy to your SD

-from Start Menu -> S2U2

-tap on iLock (wait for S2U2 to close)

-w/Total Commander overwrite S2U2 in \Program Files\

-tap on S2U2

INFORMATION

-next alarm info OFF

-Task Count OFF

APPOINTMENT

-Alignment RIGHT

APPEARANCE

-Slider Position CENTER

-you may want to change the text size to SMALLEST

-Topmost Curtain OFF

-Top Curtain OFF

-Bottom Curtain OFF

View attachment S2U2_.sencity.7z

Wallpaper

Hope this helps some...

PS: If something does not comply... just tell me and I'll remove it.

Enjoy!
[Windows Mobile Themes] _LeCiel_:
Thank you JVH3.

When it comes to statistics:

.sencity has been downloaded 1935 times (from this thread only*)

yet there was not a single donation*

As a full-time student I can't pay the rent and college fee for all the 'thank you's (though they're highly appreciated), so although I'll be continuing the development of the free version, I decided to extend the project for whose who are willing to support it financially.

The only difference between .sencity and .sencityex, is that the extended version will feature additional skins that complete the look but are not essential.

Also .sencityex will have its own website and will not be available through XDA Developers.

*not including all the ROMs with the theme cooked in

*despite many announcements

before

the release
[Windows Mobile Themes] NRGZ28:
Okay... fair enough. Since my ROM is probably the most widely used with your theme cooked in, I will be making a donation myself as well. There's probably about 4000 to 5000 people using the sencity ROM across the 9+ devices I make ROMs for. I, for one, did list you name, gave credit, linked the thread here and even actively encouraged users to donate to YOU if they used the sencity ROM, but from what you say... nobody did. That's sad.... I've only had to spend a few hours fixing up the little things that needed to be finished in the sencity theme and that was a pain in my ass. I can only imagine the amount of work required to skin EVERYTHING. So please, everyone... do donate to LeCiel. He deserves it !
[Windows Mobile Themes] Reclaim:
I am 100% behind a donations only version. this is worth paying for. In fact, I was always planning on donating when the final version is released anyways! good for you luke! I hope it helps with the bills and leads to more desire to work on it.
[Windows Mobile Themes] Lunie:
Oh dear. I might put up a donation button to see if anyone is willing to donate. >"<

Sorry to hear about your living expenses I'm sure you'll be able to pull it off. ^^

I'm also a full-time student and money is always tight. :'3

Good luckies on your theme _Leciel_ d^W^b
[Windows Mobile Themes] cajunflavoredbob:
My mistake. I misunderstood the changes. I was under the impression that .sinsity was going to be left alone in favor of you creating the paid version. I understand now and apologize for my comments. I was ignorant at the time.
[Windows Mobile Themes] 5h4h:
title block the sense..

after install the .sencity, the black with word "title" block the home tabs and the icon for sense are no appear..help me somebody...
[Windows Mobile Themes] orsel:
excuse me, but why should anybody donate yet? you repeated several times, that this is just a beta and there are some bugs, which you will fix soon... well nothing happend yet - after a month btw. plus you wrote on the firt page, that some other themes are in progress and will be released soon - but again, nothing happend so far. icons? - yes a iconpackage was announced and there exist some sencity-style icons on xdadev, but they are not from you.

you're talking about 1935 downloads - seriously, do you consider the guys who can't use your files - as they are offered - because they have a stock rom on their device? do you consider the guys (for example me!), who are really disappointed by the fact, that you announced a black/white theme and only released that gay purple one? so they use your files as basis but also have to spend some time and nerves to find the files, they actually want to use. it should be clear, that these guys will only donate if you make it up to them. and yes, i was willing to donate, but i'm quite disappointed as i'm a stock rom user.

not forgetting the infants, who may have downloaded your cab, but aren't able to "donate". in fact i think, there are really just a few ones, who use your cab as you provided (just look at the "show you homescreen" etc topics). AND does a download means using it? how do you know that some guys didn't uninstall it - perhaps because they switched to cht 2.0? (btw really hoping, that cookiemonster is not going to launch a paid-version :D)

let's put it this way: you didn't release any finished work yet but hoped for "donations". as you want us to "donate" in advance of the proper release, you clearly want us to pay for it. that my friend isn't donation. maybe you look it up in the dictionary. seems that you may be a artistically minded but not the smartest gut. i hope that i'm not the only one who boycott your work! btw i don't want to argue but just share my opinion. you may agree or not. so please don't resent me for not take part in a discussion about my post.
[Windows Mobile Themes] JVH3:
His work is used in custom ROMs which have thousands of users. And it's not purple in those ROMs.

He has obviously spent a great deal of time making this.

Why should people donate?

Out of appreciation for the work he has done. It is virtually perfect in the Energy ROM series with Cookie 2.0.

People need to ask themselves the question of what they have done for the community. For most the answer is nothing. Unless you have developed something, or provide active support to forum members or do something to positively contribute, or donate to xda, then you really are more of a consumer than a member of the community.

Consumers should pay for what they consume. There are lots of free ways to contribute to the community.
[Windows Mobile Themes] orsel:
i totally agree. we are talking about "payment" and not "donation". so it shouldn't be trivialized. of course thats one way... the other common way on xdadev is to share a great work and motivate people to DONATE. but hinge a final and proper release on so called "donation" is absurdity.

as far as i'm concerned, i don't see any reason to donate - so far, as i use a stock rom on my device, which isn't supported by lukes cab. i had to go trough all the files and pick out the ones i thought i may need, always hoping, that I don't brick my sense and have to do a hardreset. plus he promised a black/white version (for which i really really wanted to donate) but i'm still waiting...

i just want luke to recognize, that his hope for payments was and isn't reasoned yet. neither there is a proper product that we can consume nor some final great work that we should award with donations. we are just on hold for a proper version, so he has no reason to blame us! that really annoys me.
[Windows Mobile Themes] cajunflavoredbob:
I kind of have to agree with one point you've made, although not in the manner said. This is not yet the final product of this theme. I certainly wouldn't pay any professional company to do their beta testing for them. I think many users here feel the same. I have donated to several members of this site for their hard work when I use a proper theme like GTX, CHT, Dusk, or Orange Street not to mention the various ROM chefs. _LeCiel_ said himself that this theme is still unfinished. I am not at all surprised that no one has donated. Once the theme is completed, there would be more cause for celebration and donations alike, but right now, the theme has to be pieced together from multiple sources to be "complete."

In any case, I wish _LeCiel_ the best of luck in this new venture. I would also encourage him not to call the new theme "donators only." It's kind of insulting to other users. Donations are voluntary by definition. We all know the difference between free and paid apps. Let's not beat around the bush, eh? ;)
[Windows Mobile Themes] johndijkstra:
Hi there _LeCiel_,

I can understand your frustration.

But I also can understand why there are no donations.

You first have to make a full working product for people to get interested.

I just tried your skin, and there are still some things not up to speed with it.

Much is to be done by hand and on your forum, a reaction to try and solve an issue takes forever. So that's about the understanding part.

On the other hand, (and this is to all the people who told they would donate something), If you are willing to post that you will send LeCiel some cash, Be a man/woman and do so!

So if you post something on this treat, be helpful and don't make falls promises.
[Windows Mobile Themes] franckdragan:
I am totally agree with johndijkstra and orsel. I think you must post a full functional thing in order to get some money, and if you post something here only to get money so you don't find the right place. Many peoples from here post their work for free to share with others because their are passioned about that and also to get some money in the final. If you what to sell a product so make it not free or share and go to the market place and sell it. Tell us this and don't give expectations...just tell us you want money
[Windows Mobile Themes] miller710:
Wow man, I was really impressed with sencity. Basically what I am looking at is that you teased us. You told us we were going to see something great. Gave us a little of it then decided to make people pay for it. That is pathedic. I wonder if this was not your intention all along. Just to give people a taste and then go back on your word and make money.

*If you donate to me you can read the rest of my comment*
[Windows Mobile Themes] orsel:
hey, they may have wrote, that they will donate BUT at that moment, nobody knew, that luke will only release a beta version. in fact, many of us thought that he will provide a complete theme (including phone canvas, pinscreen and icons) - just as he showed on the (now deleted) screenshots. i mean even now in his signature, you can see the phone canvas theme, which hasn't anything to do with the actual offer. the whole announcement (screenshots and his posts) was misleading, so we had a false pretence about the real offer. that may be the reason, why so many guys told, that they will donate.

i repeat it again: if luke uses his brain, he will recognize, that he can't blame us for neglecting any donation! plus i wouldn't wonder, if his new idea goes down like a lead balloon.
[Windows Mobile Themes] pkoper:
Hi LeCiel,

I really like your work.

But are you really surprised no one donated?

You released a buggy incomplete beta, after all.

Keep up the good work!

Cheers
[Windows Mobile Themes] bluepresto1:
This may sound stupid, but I can't find the way to switch to english on your paypal...maybe that's the reason :P
[Windows Mobile Themes] Lunie:
Ummm...derp?

I had a feeling some srs bsns was coming just not so god damn soon.

Really you guys stfu if you dont like the theme or dont support it properly then gtfo!

XDA is suppose to support it's developers, not rage at them. :\

Espescially for something that is free!

So either read his posts or gtfo is that simple :\
[Windows Mobile Themes] bluepresto1:
Did it manually to your email address. Here you go buddy: 4CK98933DG1862308
[Windows Mobile Themes] _LeCiel_:
Thank you for your donation:) Please check your PM
[Windows Mobile Themes] xcen_xda:
THANKS A LOT! I love this S2U2 theme!
[Windows Mobile Themes] Smobbo:
Wow great looking S2U2 theme!

Great find and changes done, it looks great now! and i can add exceptions for certain Apps. Something i was never able to do with CHT Lockscreen...
[Windows Mobile Themes] dotcompt:
Keep up the good work and keep it at XDA, we all need developers like you.

Confirmation number:

0RS22366FK5168514

Thanks for the hard work
[Windows Mobile Themes] _LeCiel_:
Thank you for your donation;) Please check your PM
[Windows Mobile Themes] venomhtchd2:
Cool!!

This is cool Thanks bro!!
[Windows Mobile Themes] brainmaster:
I wanted to donate when the theme is complete, but what the heck - here is the confirmation number:
[Windows Mobile Themes] johndijkstra:
Hi _LeCiel_ i'm having trouble to activate the lockscreen you provided.

Extracted all files and placen them in the Windows dir.

Then all worked, but i get no icons telling me i have mail or sms or calls.

any idea?

"Edit"

Ok it seems to work now.

<sarcasme>

"So nice to see the people here in action to help an other forum member.!"

</sarcasme>
[Windows Mobile Themes] _LeCiel_:
Thank you as well:) Check your PM
[Windows Mobile Themes] brainmaster:
<sarcasme>

Well, you wore creative and could help yourself - isn't that great!

</sarcasme>
[Windows Mobile Themes] Smobbo:
Hi Luke,

Perhaps you can update the first post telling about the paid subscription.

So people know what they get with the free version and what with the paid version.

I myself am wondering what you'll update and when we could expect it (like the beautifull dialer :D!)

Looking forward to your answer
[Windows Mobile Themes] _LeCiel_:
I don't have time to work on .sencity for the moment, but I'm gathering all the resources needed for updates and I'm learning the stuff I didn't knew how to do before.

For now I can only guarantee that the free version will include an updated theme for Sense 2.5 with CHT2.0 (and fixed bugs), a theme for WM6.5 and 6.5.x, Bootscreen and Lockscreen updates and a standard iconset.

.sencityex will include an extended theme for Sense 2.5 (with and without CHT2.0), various bootscreens, skins for EzInput, PhoneCanvas (topaz/rhodium/leo) and Pinscreen. A theme for Sense 2.1 is also planned.

Official mods will be free and available through XDA (including a different slider and color mods).

No release date is known at the moment.
[Windows Mobile Themes] K33NA:
Please help me .... I need assistance

Please tell me how to get this theme on my HTC EVO PLEASE I REALLY LIKE IT BUT I DONT KNOW HOW TO GET IT ON MY PHONE PLEASE HELP EMAIL ME AT BRICKHOUSEBEAUTY@AOL.COM ANYONE WITH ANSWERS PLEASE THANKS IN ADVANCE
[Windows Mobile Themes] _LeCiel_:
You can't install .sencity on an Android device.
[Windows Mobile Themes] ultimatepichu:
come to think of it, sorry if this is brought up, but I just want to make it clear:

is donate = .sencityex?

I'm confused about what I am to pay/donate.
[Windows Mobile Themes] cajunflavoredbob:
Correct. .sencity is free. .sencityex is a paid theme. It is more of an extension of the base theme than anything. The extras include multiple bootscreens, skins for EzInput, PhoneCanvas and Pinscreen. _LeCeil_ is also planning a theme for Sense 2.1.
[Windows Mobile Themes] _LeCiel_:
Here's a preview of the new displays for .sencity and .sencityex. For .sencityex I used this amazing cloud wallpaper by Blake Diton (thanks Bazinga for providing the link), let me know what you think.
[Windows Mobile Themes] Lunie:
Wow, so pretty :]
[Windows Mobile Themes] NRGZ28:
In my opinion... he shouldnt waste his time on Sense 2.1. Based on my own download stats... almost NOBODY downloads Sense 2.1 based ROMs :)
[Windows Mobile Themes] brainmaster:
What I can see is that you already made a WM Theme, but the difference between those two screens is just the background, or not?
[Windows Mobile Themes] _LeCiel_:
It's just a preview of how the two are gonna be displayed. The phone and theme is exactly the same on both images (and I used the old mockup made when .sencity was announced). This is not how it's going to be in the final product, but an idea of how it could be presented.
[Windows Mobile Themes] 4D4N:
Stock ROM

Something solved about stock ROMs?
[Windows Mobile Themes] knabben:
Amazing, matte! I don't mind if we should donate to get the sencityex, I think it is worth just to give you some different kind of "thanks" for the time you've spent on this great work. I just hope it will be possible to use on non-custom Rom's though.

Congrats!
[Windows Mobile Themes] jsmccabe78:
.sencity endkey application skin

Hey there .sencity fans...so decided to make a .sencity skin for my endkey application (for more see my below and my signature! A huge thanks to _LeCiel_ (original .sencity thread) and Rooster100 (original Roosticity Icons thread) for their graphics! (I did put my spin on making a bootloader icon though...;))

The Skin

​

Installation

1- Make sure you have Endkey Basic8 installed to your phone (sorry, right now not available for Basic5...maybe with some time!)

2- Download the "Endkey Basic8 .sencity Skin" and install to your phone.

NOTE: This does NOT install the Endkey application to your phone, mainly it places the skin in an easy place to find! You must do step 1 for this step to mean anything!​

3- Enter Endkey and press upper right corner to run installation sequence. The new skin "Basic8_.sencity" will be found in the "EndkeySkins" folder in your Program Files - now select it!

4- All is done. No soft reset required.
[Windows Mobile Themes] BHS Interceptor:
Making Sencity themes "switchable" with CHTS

Hola LeCiel, first of all I would like to congratulate you on your work. I do like this themes very much. And I would also like to thank jsmccabe for "leading" me back to this thread.

I would like to ask you for a great favour, from which other users and yourself could benefit, and of course me too :D

It´s about "Theme Switching" :eek: It´s one of the multiple features of CHTS which makes it now possible to also switch between themes. This way, users can save a theme with a Layout for a profile in CHTS, and thus switch either manually or schedulled from one theme to another - in this case both of your beautiful themes. Maybe one during the day, and the other during the evening, and if you deside to create further variations of this theme, they could also be included :D

Another great advantage of this is that all items (including registries, skins, widgets, etc.) can be installed onto SD Card and the saved Theme/Layout/Profile would become "hard-reset" resistant, so users would not have to install it via cab again. I really would like to have not only this two themes, but also further variations of it (maybe even specific themes, for example for Lunchtime, Party, or Evening, Spare-, freetime and Weekends, Meetings or Silence, maybe even for the car...) so users could be switching from one theme to another, only by touching a button..., or having it done automatically, according to the schedulled time of the day/night :D

If you are interested in this great possibilities, please take a look at the "whitepaper" in the

CHTS thread

, for rom cooks and theme makers, in there you will find the needed information, to create, what is a simple .xml file(created in notepad) which lists all of your included manila files with your theme name.

The white paper will give you more details on this.

But it's truly not too hard to do.

Then this .xml is included in your .cab file and can then be saved as a layout in CHTS and then switchable to other saved layouts.

All without having to reinstall or uninstall .cab files again for each.

Just a few clicks, you can change out many files and their layout on your CHT screens.

In case you should require further information, please let us know at CHTS or CHTA thread. Merci beacoup ;)
[Windows Mobile Themes] Miedziak1991:
your rom with sense 2.1 could be the problem. these roms are rather poor. jackos's rom with sense 2.1 for example is great and it will surely go well with sencity.
[Windows Mobile Themes] DriftBoris:
nice thanks ....
[Windows Mobile Themes] fabjazz:
Hi !

Sencity is very very beautiful... But have you planned to make a version for CHT 2.0 final?

Thank you for your work :)
[Windows Mobile Themes] Robertho:
hello, this most amazing theme ever see, but i have some problem :(

Slider are not showed, i have do the hard reset, instal a net framework 3.5 also i have error when updating rom

image img16.imageshack.us/img16/2903/htcb.jpg

Please help

respectfully
[Windows Mobile Themes] AuraofVengeance:
Sweet!, I can't wait to see the dialer work in CHT 2.0 :D
[Windows Mobile Themes] BHS Interceptor:
Merci beacoup ;) Once you discover the features and possibilities of CHTS you´ll love it :D And we user will be able to switch between your themes by the touch of a "soft button" ;)

If there is anything we can assit with, just let us know - Enjoy checking out the whitepaper :)
[Windows Mobile Themes] franckdragan:
CHT 2.0 Final

Like you already notice the CHT 2.0 is in final version (with or without donations). Did you plan to release final version of .sencity? Or you still wait for donations?