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[XPERIA X10 General] jassired:
Milestone is a bad option...........Better wait for Droid 2 (Milestone's predecessor) or better get samsung galaxy S.......
[XPERIA X10 General] fadimck:
why? do you know that it has dedicated processor for the VGA which doesn't consume the RAM while using the mobile in Games for example. I believe there is such a comparison on You Tube will search for it and bring it back
[XPERIA X10 General] gaolinde:
i think milestone is a downgrade.

the processor is only 600mhz. just wait for about 2 months you'll have 2.1 on x10 and the dev team might give you 2.2 even earlier if they able to make some progress in hacking bootloader.

if you are getting a new phone it's fine, but changing a x10 into milestone i will say it's not a wise option. maybe a dumb one.
[XPERIA X10 General] citsym:
Pretty weird choice. If you want to switch, get Galaxy. Milestone's processor is a major major drawback.
[XPERIA X10 General] berbecverde:
well.. if you want to change then... change. BUT:

As i see this everyones problem with the X10 is the Android 1.6, but this is going to be fixed later this year.

I any other aspect the X10 is in my opinion the best phone around.

I will wait for the upgrade and maybe the devs will succeed, and we'll have custom roms for our X10.after that sky is the limit.:p

I loocked at the milestone but i realy do not like it. If you ask me it has a ugly design.:( , and a smaller screen.:D

So i stick with the X10, for now.:)
[XPERIA X10 General] ddewbofh:
Nothing to see here, wrong window. :)
[XPERIA X10 General] realunited123:
and a locked bootloader that hasn't been cracked for 7-8 months!! :)
[XPERIA X10 General] ddewbofh:
I looked into the Milestone before I got my X10. It's just too slow, 600mhz cpu and it's got way too little RAM for my taste, only 256MB.

Speaking of RAM, does anyone know if there's any dedicated VRAM in the X10? I've read reports of it having 128MB but I can't find any definitive info on it.
[XPERIA X10 General] fadimck:
if you referred back to my previous post, the processor in X10i is consumed in both graphical and non-graphical functions while Milestone has dedicated processor for graphical actions and non-graphical actions will use the full 600MHZ

please read more on this issue, I still have the X10 but SE are too slow in releasing the updates (even the last one , the minor one is not released here in Egypt) while Milestone was released late 2009 with Android 2 and get an 2.1 update and planned to have 2.2 official update...
[XPERIA X10 General] fadimck:
please check my reply in post number 10
[XPERIA X10 General] Mano1982:
You knew what X10 lacks when you made decision to buy it :) Milestone was even released before X10 & You should consider it before buying X10 :)

For me, Milestone can never be in my considration :) X10 is far better than Milestone for me. Good luck with your choice <3
[XPERIA X10 General] realunited123:
@ddewbofh

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=683081 ?
[XPERIA X10 General] ddewbofh:
You're not quite right on the cpu/gpu bit. The Snapdragon chip has both a 1ghz arm cpu as well as a dedicated AMD chip running at 600mhz iirc.
[XPERIA X10 General] ddewbofh:
That was part of it, but I recall reading somewhere that the total on the board is 512MB, 384MB for the system and 128MB for the graphics.
[XPERIA X10 General] gaolinde:
Perhaps you're right since i never got a hand to milestone, all i know is milestone has a 600MHZ processor. But, changing a phone not that great compare to what you having is not a wise choice, that's what i meant.

By the way about RAM of x10 i am also quite confused, some says 384MB(limited by donut to 256MB right now), some says 256MB+128VRAM i don't know what to believe
[XPERIA X10 General] realunited123:
Milestone has an underclocked CPU of 550MHz though the CPU is of 600Mhz.. But it can be overclocked like "crazy" to 1+ GHz ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] sadhra:
I'm sticking with X10i, however, want to see what comes of Sony Ericsson "Julie". As from the little information/rummors I heard about it, it's "suppose" to be like an X10 with a qwerty keyboard. Just not sure if it's actually going to get android or windows phone 7....
[XPERIA X10 General] gaolinde:
i doubt the battery can last long enough for decent use after OC nearly 100%;)

anyone tried OC x10 what's the limit?:confused:
[XPERIA X10 General] Fuzalert2k:
999mhz... you can't oc it
[XPERIA X10 General] berbecverde:
fadimck seems you are on your own, sorry man:(
[XPERIA X10 General] rocketpaul:
pretty much this.
[XPERIA X10 General] vrs2610:
reason why I kept away from the droid and the milestone is due to its HIGH SAR ratings.
[XPERIA X10 General] bimmerboii:
What you did is a downgrade. But if your happy with it then that's what matters
[XPERIA X10 General] Karooluss:
I don't know is there any headset compareable to x10... There are many HTC devices with android but I don't like their design. In my opinion , SE relases visually the best phones. I really like X10 (its my 4th phone in this year ;) after Samsung sgh i550, Xperia X1 and Vodavone 360 Samsung i8320). Of course there are some dislikes about X10 for me - lack of coocked roms and pretty weak speaker for music (as for such type of device) :( but I thing that I'll stay with X10 for some time :) I really can't wait update to 2.1 ....
[XPERIA X10 General] forzanerazzurri:
Why are you so worried about the performance of games? Its a phone. Doing to the Milestone is a downgrade, but hey whatever floats your boat.
[XPERIA X10 General] Tom-Helge:
I'm gonna answer you some things here.

First i will say that your actually downgrading by going to a Milestone. Simply because when we are getting Android 2.1 pretty soon, then XPERIA X10 will eat the Milestone alive for lunch because it will have Android 2.1 with greatly improved UI by Sony Ericsson that will go far over on what Motorola can have in Android 2.1.

Multitouch is confirmed by SE that it wont come to XPERIA X10, but who knows, it might be because they don't want to be sued by Apple.

I'm sure SE will come and say 'Hey, look what the XPERIA X10 have under the hood' when the case with the multitouch thing with Apple is over.

The thing with Sony and their Playstation 3 controller and the rumble pack is a good example on that.

XPERIA X10 also have a dedicated GPU by ATI. I think you really should read this before you do any mistakes: http://nyagurak.blogspot.com/2010/01/so-youre-looking-for-android-phone-sony.html

Yes, the camera that is on the XPERIA X10 is unbeatable by other Android devices now. So if dual led lights are more important that the camera quality, then go for the Milestone.

The camera that are in the XPERIA X10 can use auto flash actually. If you have tried the program Vignette, that is a camera app to Android, then you can use autoflash there.

So it's just a funtion that is disabled in the camera program on the XPERIA X10 in Android 1.6.

The next thing with the good arabic language support is something i can agree to.

Then to the next thing. XPERIA X10's screen can show 16.7 mill colors to. It's just limited to 65k colors in Android 1.6.

So when we get Android 2.1 in September this year, we will also get 16.7 mill colors on the screen.

I know many get the feeling that the XPERIA X10 is a bit poor. But the fact is that the reason for that is only because of Android 1.6.

Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10 will basicly become a new mobile phone when it gets Android 2.1.

So just don't go for another mobile that is way worser than XPERIA X10 just because it have an OS that is old but that will get updated pretty soon and become way better than the Milestone ever can dream of getting.

But don't take me wrong though, Motorola Milestone is still a great phone.
[XPERIA X10 General] james_2k:
thanks for that link, great info in there and the x10 stacks up really nicely!
[XPERIA X10 General] bimmerboii:
Where does it say GPU by ATI?
[XPERIA X10 General] theXeffect:
I'm an ex milestone user.....I think the x10 is way better ..... if Ur going to get the milestone u should get the HTC legend...... that's what I think....:-)
[XPERIA X10 General] GPdhillon:
I would for htc evo or droid X but no way for milestone. Milestone was great phone but comparison with last year phones. the physical keyboard is not that good I heard alots complaint about it
[XPERIA X10 General] Tom-Helge:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imageon
[XPERIA X10 General] wrongfeifong:
While you are at it . Go buy a 19inch tft tv. I bet it suit you just fine to use grandpa technology

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[XPERIA X10 General] egyptshun:
[highlight]Mod Edit: Look at madnish30's post below. One more rant like that and you will be banned[/highlight]
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
@egyptshun - that's out of order. no need for that.
[XPERIA X10 General] em.vrs:
Milestone is definitely a bad choice as compared to the X10. Its really crap, slow and sluggish. Batt life even worse then x10. I would definitely wait for the 2.2 release on X10 rather than switching to Milestone.
[XPERIA X10 General] lildic:
wait for 2.1 :(
[XPERIA X10 General] hoss_n2:
why insulting , he is our brother , also he has made a bad decision
[XPERIA X10 General] madnish30:
Well well well, what do we have here ?

egyptshun consider reading the RULES.

I guess you din't read this part when (if) you read the rules :

Please do not post such trolls. It will win you a long vacation from XDA.

I expect discipline now.

Do not try to flame more, it will only spoil your case further.

COMPLY.

madnish30.
[XPERIA X10 General] Tom-Helge:
So fadimck, what's your answer after those replies here now?

Like we have said and given you facts / links to, going to a Milestone is a big downgrade hardware wise.

And if gaming on a mobile phone is so important for you, then why not go for the Samsung Galaxy S that is the best gaming handheld device now?
[XPERIA X10 General] KurskS:
Agree with u the topic is right about the dedicated graphic chip on Sony X10, which you find the same on Nexus One, however in my experience with 3D games, Droid runs a lot smoother and u wont even see any drop in framerate, compare to Nexus One which struggle quite a lot sometimes. If u need proof, just go to youtube and compare Asphalt 5 (one of the best graphic 3D games atm) runnig on Droid and Nexus One, u will see a huge diff, actually X10 is also better than Nexus One ( which I think because of the 65k colour screen instead of 1.6M) but still not as good as Motorola Droid though. I really dont understand why, hope our X10 gets better gaming experience in the upcoming 2.2 or at least 2.1 then
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
As a reply to the thread's title:

Don't let the door hit you on your way out!

:D :D :D

No offense, but I do not think such topics help any X10 user. ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] berbecverde:
Get a Sony PSP if you want to play.:D, way better than any mobile phone.and it is not so big.
[XPERIA X10 General] Baggyb:
My take!

To the (OP) I thought about trading my X10 for either the Milestone or the Desire.

I ended up going for the Desire as I saw it as the X10's closest rival.!

The X10 i had suffered from low incall volume, laggy UXP and missed keypresses.

I even updated to the latest software and whilst i saw it as an improvement I definately wasn't happy with it.

Now the Desire isn't as pretty in design, and I have to say I prefer the X10's screen (especially the size) over the Desire's.

Even though the colour reproduction seems better on the Desire, the text looked alot sharper on my X10.

The camera on the Desire isn't the worst, but in this category the X10 wins again.

However i based my descision on the the devices future upgrade paths.

We all know about the X10's.

The Desire on 2.1 isn't the best thing i've ever experienced. Sense is good but I prefer using ADW or stock. However i know that FROYO is just around the corner.

I have now rooted my Desire and am loving the inclusion of Flash 10.1, wifi tethering, P2Z, double tap zm and speed e.t.c (could have done with flash for the world cup whilst at work). Although it is running reasonably well it's not perfect so i'm looking forward to the official release.

The Desire on 2.1 is not a reason to leave the x10 as to be honest feature wise they are pretty similar, 2.2 is the issue and the benefits that it will bring.

I honestly can't see the x10 with 2.2. Even if it is rooted the custom ROMS will be verry buggy for a while after like the Desire.

P.S.

As for the processing speed of the Milestone, it can be overclocked to run at higher speeds. It will reduce it's life but most users only keep their handsets until their next upgrades any how!
[XPERIA X10 General] fadimck:
you are right but the lack of the update and the Arabic support killed me, also I'm a heavy user for text messaging and e-mails accordingly i need the physical keyboard

there is a clear comparison over the You Tube showing that Milestone is better in Graphical issue (while playing games specifically)

i believe it is 256MB+128VRAM

how is that? can you give instruction..?

WM sucks, i love Android more and more

i'm wondering what the OC? can you explain it to me?

thank you my friend :-)
[XPERIA X10 General] ddewbofh:
Overclock.
[XPERIA X10 General] fadimck:
execuse my ignorance, what is the SAR rating?

i didn't decide yet, I'm just thinking loudly with you guys..

and this is my problem my friend, SE is too slow in their updates

reagrding the Multitouch issue, i don't understand it as Milestone have a Multtouch function!

reagrding the OS, do you know that many phones are planning to upgrade to 2.2 while SE will release their 2.1 at next Sept. !!!!!!! really very funny SE guys
[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
How the hell did anyone not reply to this idiotic post?

The phone was released in APRIL and was rooted in JUNE. That's TWO months. Are you that dense?!

Edit: There's still phones coming out with Android 1.5. Yes, FIVE, not six. The X10 is far from "the worst" or "with the oldest OS."
[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
Yes, actually, I do know that. Holy crap.

You know who else knew that? YOU. Why would you buy a phone KNOWINGLY, WILLINGLY, and WITHOUT A GUN TO YOUR HEAD that came with an OS that you DIDN'T WANT?! I mean, come on!

This is why people are sick of all the stupid idiotic, immature *****ing on these forums. NONE of the "drawbacks" of the X10 were hidden from the public. ANY amount of research could have told you that the phone doesn't have multitouch, came preinstalled with 1.6 and a custom layer, or the screen was limited to 65k colors in 1.6.

tl;dr version:

The only blame lies with you. Sony Ericsson released exactly what they advertised.
[XPERIA X10 General] fadimck:
totally disagree with you SIR, please read the article carefully you will find that Moto graphical interface is Far Beyond the X10

read the below

Motorola Droid 20.7 FPS (Android 2.0).

Nexus One 27.6 FPS. (Android 2.1)

Acer Liquid 34 FPS. (Android 1.6)

Xperia X10 34FPS+ est. (Android 1.6)
[XPERIA X10 General] fadimck:
Your Input will be great to me. what went wrong with the milestone..? why did you change it?
[XPERIA X10 General] fadimck:
so??? this is not an enough prove!!
[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
Um...

I'm convinced you're a troll.

Evidence A:

You don't have the slightest clue what you're talking about. Look up the words "Graphical Interface" on Google/Yahoo/Bing.

Evidence B:

Only in a world where everything is backwards could LOWER FPS somehow be BETTER than a higher FPS.

To wit: FPS stands for Frames Per Second. Essentially, the higher the frames per second, the smoother the movement will appear. Basically, insanely simple science.

Please, stop posting such filth, or, at least, keep it to yourself.
[XPERIA X10 General] fadimck:
didn't understand the joke buddy :P

thanks dear, leave him GOD Forgive

thanks dear

your valuable support here is giving me the chance to think more about the next step and will check my priosities

as i mentioned in different posts the most important thing to me in the physical keyboard as I'm really a heavy users for e-mails and txt messaging...

thanks man, will check this out

i believe we are twins in the same way of thinking, I'm looking forward for future upgrades which will be faster in the Milestone

ok, thanks man:)

:) i believe no one noticed this,

ok ok, got your point but please calm down:) this is not healthy for you!
[XPERIA X10 General] fadimck:
Moto will get 2.2 :p

Dears,

just read this info and would like to share it with you

James King ( Motorola Marketing Director) just announced the Moto Milestone will get 2.2 !!!

When SE will move forward and respect her Customers whom trusted her.

Seriously a change is needed? how they will hear and feel the voice of the customer?

where is their support?

sorry I don't want their special crap UI, just give us a stock update with Android like Moto is doing....

we will manage our customization .....

really i'm frustrated from SE..
[XPERIA X10 General] Cinner:
Maybe you should wait a little while: the Motorola Droid 2 will come out this summer, and should be much better than the first Droid (also known as the Milestone).
[XPERIA X10 General] berbecverde:
Yes.

Higher FPS means better video Quality.:p

So if the X10 with the old and SLOW 1.6 is the best, this my friends gives us something to think about.:)

Oh.. and if the man wants to change his X10 for something.. not so great then it is his choice.So it would be great if we could talk like civilized people. Right?
[XPERIA X10 General] HyperionX10:
Well, that's not what they say here:

http://blog.gsmarena.com/froyo-not-coming-to-the-motorola-milestone/
[XPERIA X10 General] hoss_n2:
may be it willnot get froyo update officially but , at least it can be flashed with custom roms , unlike SE
[XPERIA X10 General] ddewbofh:
And how long do you think the X10 will stay "unflashable"? It's just a matter of time and once that happens you'll have two phones that will be able to run 2.2.

Which will make the Milestone a slower machine with a smaller screen and a keyboard. It really boils down to how much you need that keyboard.
[XPERIA X10 General] berbecverde:
well.. custom roms or not it is a worse device compared to the X10.

So even whitout custom rom(hopefully we will get them soon), the X10 is a better device, and that is a fact.:D
[XPERIA X10 General] hoss_n2:
+1 but what i mean was the longer life for the device with custom roms device can leave longer , but x10 still is the best
[XPERIA X10 General] Mano1982:
Have you tried Mirsal? It's an application which has arabic support i think :)
[XPERIA X10 General] Mano1982:
SonyEricsson had always said from the day X10 released that 2.1 update would come in Q4 2010, now they have moved 2.1 update to Q3 2010. I think they respect their customers :)
[XPERIA X10 General] Mano1982:
Oh, And this is the latest news from today 22 July 2010 :eek:
[XPERIA X10 General] berbecverde:
where did you hear that?

:D
[XPERIA X10 General] Mano1982:
XDA News Channel :D
[XPERIA X10 General] Tom-Helge:
Well at least, it's confirmed by Sony Ericsson UK that Android 2.2 will come to XPERIA X10.

Just look here: http://twitter.com/SonyEricssonUK/status/15260820648

Ofc that was posted before Sony Ericsson decided to push the Android 2.1 update to Q3.
[XPERIA X10 General] Avin1973:
2.1 is a good thing to wait for... but SE wasn't even able to release the last firmware here in Brazil so, bt this time, OP won't be alone: due to the lack of support I would also change for another model.
[XPERIA X10 General] berbecverde:
It is not a SE problem with the updates, it is you who lives far away.:p

just a joke.don't be mad.:p
[XPERIA X10 General] Karooluss:
Quick decision.... i changed x10 into htc legend... my opinion is that screen is better, speaker also. Legend takes better photos altough lower resolution and the device is handier... greets:)
[XPERIA X10 General] ddewbofh:
A much smaller AMOLED screen with a much, much lower resolution better? "ok" :)
[XPERIA X10 General] berbecverde:
and a 600 mhz cpu:(
[XPERIA X10 General] Nankov:
I just want to ask all these people that switched their x10 or are about to how stupid will you feel after you got rid of the phone and 2.1/2.2 comes out either from SE or the devs and becomes a kick ass device (not that its not now)with fast system, 720p recording , 16m colors, maybe multi or dual touch and all the other goodies and you are stuck with a milestone or a legend or whatever? you will be kicking your own ass and banging your head in the wall watching all of us with x10s jump up and down enjoying this beast being all happy and stuff. lol good luck with that. i love my x10 to bits. no way im switching it for anything other than an x20 or somthing lol. i just love it.

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[XPERIA X10 General] applebook:
The Milestone does have the dedicated PowerVR chip, but its 600MHz CPU will be exposed when both the X10 and it are running 2.1/2.2.

I was going to sell my X10 and get the Milestone because I love its keypad and magnesium (aluminum?) case, but the X10 has superior hardware, and even though 1.6 Rachel has many issues, it is at least pretty and will be updated.

I actually considered the Acer Liquid E, but after playing around with it, I decided against it because, although it's an outstanding phone for $425 CDN, it comes with only a 2Gb card and a low-rent camera. I have no intentions of spending more money to accessorize the phone.
[XPERIA X10 General] applebook:
Oh, and as for the Desire, I love that it will have a Sony "Super" LCD over AMOLED, and I dig Sense UI and HTC, but Telus is not my cup of tea.

Plus, I got my X10 for less than the price of a used Acer Liquid E! There is no way that the Desire will be anywhere near that cheap on the "gray market" (eBay, Craiglist).
[XPERIA X10 General] fadimck:
keep wishing my friend but I don't beleive that this will happen soon
[XPERIA X10 General] fadimck:
yeah, but this support reading / writing Text Messages only

I need to have full Arabic support in E-mail, Websites, Excel, Word ...etc
[XPERIA X10 General] fadimck:
thank you for the support:)
[XPERIA X10 General] knudsen81:
you all will never be happy with the support of android from mobilphones provider, se, htc and motorola have the same **** support
[XPERIA X10 General] fadimck:
the question is.... do you believe it? i beleive the difference between each phone and another is the needs of the user....right?
[XPERIA X10 General] POLO_i780:
Go ahead and get the Milestone, if you want,but the X10 is far better overall: larger display, more powerful chipset,larger battery,better Media interface,more RAM, more ROM etc... support isnt that great for MOTO anyway,so good luck with that. Android 2.1 isnt that diff from 1.6 in X10. X10 has a better camera etc... If you want great support get the NexusOne. If you're outside USA the best devices to leave a X10 for are Htc Desire, Samsung Galaxy S, NexusOne or leave android and get a Nokia N900.
[XPERIA X10 General] berbecverde:
Well you seem to have made up your mind.so go ahead and change, and tell us about your new phone. It is pointless to argue, we say it is white you come and say it's black. So i am waiting to hear about your experience with the milestone.

Good luck and keep us posted.
[XPERIA X10 General] fadimck:
Just Bought the Milestone

Thank you Guys.

Just bought the Milestone, will use it for a while and get back to you with my feedback.

I still own my X10 and will decide to sell it only if i'm satisfied with the Milestone

....... will keep you posted .....
[XPERIA X10 General] knudsen81:
I had the milestone but i don't think its better then x10, the only thing that is better is android 2.1 but again x10 is more smooter then milestone
[XPERIA X10 General] hoss_n2:
good luck with your new phone , i also returned to my hd2 (running froyo 2.2 ) for now untill x10 gets better , but i will not sell it it's a brilliant device
[XPERIA X10 General] fadimck:
this is a nice move buddy, how is it on the HD2? share experience with us.

Milestone is a GREAT phone with the keyboard, i think i will sell my X10 and keep Milestone and my old Nokia E90