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[XPERIA X10 Android Development] tuxStyle:
You won't be that happy with Samsung either.

Their support (in terms of firmware updates) is crap.

Kinda like SE :)

And Moto is locking their phones down too ... kinda like SE.

HTC seems to be the only option ... but their phones are uglyyyyyy....
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] tigger69:
Ugly but the easiest to mod, hack, put CFW on. Go with ugly, its beutiful with CM6.1 on it :D
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] o0k00l:
Hi

Isn't sony and samsung off the topic in this thread ?

"Excellent progess on CyanogenMod" we have to talk about that only .. I guess
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] urs74:
Looks like more brain power helping out the devs!
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] mezo9090:
Hope they catch up fast :-)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] drunken_m:
I guess everybody will agree with me when I say, that we would love to talk about the progress on CM. But until the bootloader is hacked there is not much to talk about unfortunately. :(
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Tjotte:
HTC can screw you over with so called flagships aswell. My last phone was their WM6.1 powered Touch Diamond. HTC forgot that device long before the factorys had had a chance to cool down, never worked especially good, never got an official update to WM6.5, only recieved a few fixes that did not do much of a change, i was (still am in a way) ALOT more dissapointed inte that device then i am with my X10.. So, i would'nt wave my winning flag for them either. I read in a swedish android forum today someone stating he has been an employe of SE and still have friends in the company, claiming the company is experiencing disastrous power struggles among the high heads. And that if run correctly, we could have had the 2.1 update as early as midsummer. So, conclution, SE is not a bad company, they do make great devices and great systems to run them, BUT they have complete dickheads running the wagon and everyone want's their own set of reins. It's just really sad we, the consumers, has to get neglected becouse of all their problems.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] berbecverde:
:confused:
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] arizhasan:
I thought it was November for 2.1 update, as shown on their official page

even if it is in mid summer, how is it early? you aint in Australia, right? coz summers in the northern hemisphere is about 6 months away. how come you say its early
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Gentimp:
Eventually every manufacturer has its pros and cons. I hope the gingerbread will eventually eliminate these problems.

About those inner struggles, SE should realise that consumers don't care how, but if. We only care about results. (Usually)

If they really have a problem with the higher ups, which is seriousy affecting the results of the company, they really have dumb stakeholders.

They're the only ones who can realky solve this, unless they also took a role in this probem.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Alteran Ancient:
With all the strife and woe I've been having with the X10 (Quiet Earspeaker, Multi-touch deliberately disabled by Sony, delays to updates, and exclusion of features that would otherwise be critical), I now regret getting the X10. If I could go back in time, I would either have picked up the HTC Desire, or I would have clung onto my G1 until the Galaxy S came out.

Thanks, Sony. Now I'm just hoping the open community can make me change my mind about the feelings toward my own phone.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] leslie222:
I agree

Absolutely spot on....If I had not been ignorant about android I would not have made this mistake. Android is superb...sony not so!!!!!!
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] MeZmeriZe_:
Funny, I figured se android would be rubbish, but I didn't think that se would be so successful in locking us down. I mean, se 1.6 isnt that good, how werw they so successful at locking us out?

I thought id have been running CM for months now.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] android-fan-X10:
no i think ur off target here...sony might not kep us updates...but it makes sure that it locks it's bootloader...same with PlayStations and also with X10...and please...refrain from making such statements...
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] xfiniti:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oFaym30X3E - :D ps3 :D So easy hak....

Only usb insert, and done.

Needs only cool dev , only.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] android-fan-X10:
Incorrigible.... :-P
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] nosidefcp:
the ps3 took almost 4 yeras to been hacked...
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] thor2002ro:
and that is not actually a hack its based on leaked debugging usb stick from sony
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] arizhasan:
http://www.xperiax10.net/2010/10/01...e-november-plus-more-details-on-improvements/
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Vilam:
I'm french and my birthday is the 21 November, I'll pray lol :P

And thank you for the link, some nice news about 2.1 =)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Willey1986:
Ok... another month later, definitely no more colors, no flash, no 2.2, and the first rumours about hardware limitations... seems as the X10 is already dead before it was even alive. I should have flushed down the 500€ down the toilet, would have had more use for me.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Nimche:
Try to make a good use out of your money and this phone. At this point all you can do its to be hopefull.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] skylinegtrvspec:
about what was posted im upset but

november hmm will see about that since i see a link i will post one here too nt sure if ppl know this but http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/support/softwaredownloads/detailed/updateservice/xperiax10?cc=us&lc=en

on this month ppl should come to this page notice these numbers 2.10.9.13 when they change new software is availabe at least as far as i ever owned a sonyericsson yes i have also owned htc,samsung,nokia, so on , please dont delete the post im just posting good info
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] h8grip:
Im pretty sure thats just the version number of the SE update software for your pc. Not egirely sure what your trying so say in your post.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] arizhasan:
what are you on about? that number is the version of sony's update software and not for what android version it provides.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] drunken_m:
I think he meant, that if SE didn't have such d1ckhead management we could have gotten the 2.1 update already this mid-summer (a few months ago ;)).

In my personal experience it's mostly not the DEVs/Programmers/SysAdmins fault that something won't get on time. Mostly it's the management's fault. I'm a Linux SysAdmin for BMW (yes, the car manufacturer) and have seen this with my own eyes for the past 2 years. Some @sshole in the management says something, we have to follow. No matter how big bullsh1t it is.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] arizhasan:
of course its the management, some one from them decided to ship the x10 originally with 1.6, then not provide their customers with the update for long while their competitors either kept updating their devices or released new devices with up to date os. their reason for this is certainly beyond me.

I think someone in the higher management is secretly working for sony's competitor for other companies' benefit rather than sony's :) I bet even sony employees are using htc devices if they like android, unless sony provided them x10s with froyo or gingerbread
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Gentimp:
Perhaps their management doesn't know that the updates add customer value. Perhaps they don't even know about the ABC and ABM management systems. Or they do, but got the wrong data ( which would still be weird). But that would be the only real valid reason why they are wasting time on media and time scape.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Robokill:
I just registered. Have been reading here for a while. I don't see the use of complaining about the phone here. I actually registered to help the developers hack the bootloader.

Why not turn it around and spent your time trying to find out how to get the phone hacked so we can remove all SE related information and make it a true android phone. The specs are still up to date just the OS isn't. Think positive its just a piece of equipment. :rolleyes:
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Gentimp:
Sure, but I don't know much about programming, so how can I help?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Robokill:
You can read up the post and find some connections between what people are posting. Half is analytic thinking instead of programming skills. ( my programming isn't to good either)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] drunken_m:
You may be right, half is analytic, but the other half is low-level coding (assembly, kernel modules, C programming) and having an understanding of how actually a phone works.

I've been following the DEVs thread for some time now, but still don't understand it completely. Just for starters: what is SPL, ACPU, MCPU? I guess the "xCPU" are something like the CPU in my PC, but have no real ideas.

I'm good with Linux, but bad at mobile phone hardware or low-level coding. My only hope are the DEVs who are working on it. The only support I can give them is to contribute to the bounty (which is currently more than $2500!!!) and leaving them in peace not asking questions.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] chris_knows:
I can write Hello World programs in Python, C++, and as an Android App if the devs need help with those? :p
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Contrarian:
Or perhaps their market research revealed the majority of users prefer social functions over crappy gimmicks like updates, 16m colours, multitouch, wifi tethering, and Adobe Flash.

If Sony Ericsson took advice from whinging bloggers on xda and other forums on the internet they'd be broke within five years.

Perhaps your view reflects about 1% of SE's customer base.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Gentimp:
That would be even more stupid because that is what android is about gimmicks developed by the community it self. The only thing it requires is a constant up to date os.

If they wanted a smartphone that only focused on music, videos and pictures, they should have sticked with symbian...

Or am I misunderstanding what android is about?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] fogozito:
symbian fails at music videos ETC.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Gentimp:
My bad then, I thought the satio did pretty well on this part.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] djsikhbeatsz:
I think he meant if not symbian, just any other OS just not android. Android is open source, he's right. It's about the little **** developed by all of the general public that can be implemented easily. I agree with just about everyone here that SE is a piece of **** company, but I also agree with the guy above who says that we should help the devs instead of ***** and moan. I know I for one am not that great at programming but am down to help in anyway that I can. Let's make this modern and up to date equipment what WE want it to be. Let's take every piece of **** SE app and all that **** off this phone, make it a real phone that's capable of doing all the **** we want.

Devs, let us know if we can help you in anyway possible!
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] attn1:
AT&T has an Xperia x10 available. Can custom roms be flashed from recovery yet? Are custom recovery with nandroid (Clockwork or Amon_RA) backups available?

I worked on building CM6 for the HTC Aria successfully. Once you can easily backup and restore /boot and /system, it should be doable for this phone. Without that capability, it would be a major pain in the a$$.

What is the wifi/bluetooth chipset used? Is there a zipped copy of a /system pull avaiable that I can look at?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] casianm:
@attn1

Look into the custom rom:dev only thread...devs share their files over there. Would appreciate the help you can share :) cheers!
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] robbyf66:
hmm, doesn't look like this x10 will be cracked, no updates, no progress, no dice.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Contrarian:
It'll be cracked my friend, have faith.

P.S. I don't know where they're at either, but I can't give up on them yet.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] carinoxx:
Devs have life too... they work they have family... it will be cracked im sure, root was too dificult to crack but now we can root in 5 secs...
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] brat81:
Well the last dump was a spl dump what does this mean to us?

Could be that close now?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] robbyf66:
No it doesn't mean there close, it just means some files are dumped from the phone :-)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Stryker777:
It is progress. They have dumped the bootloader, found the entry point, and disassembled it. That gets them much closer to being able to make a custom bootloader.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] kr3w1337:
no, it doesnt.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] brat81:
Instead of giving a half arsed answer why don't you answer correctly.

What does it mean to US you know WE THE PEOPLE that have no idea.

A little enlightening doesn't go astray you know. a simple little NO IT DOESN'T doesn't help at all.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] yetep:
That post made absolutely no sense dude
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] brat81:
Sorry i was drunk and had been watching The Bathurst 1000.

Doesn't make much sense at all.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Findee:
High 5 to bathurst :)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] android-fan-X10:
Just a little update...over at the x10mini forums a developer edition of the x10 mini has surfaced...which mean it has an unlocked bootloader!!!! our very own bin4ry and others have managed a system dump...now a comparison of the x10 and the x10mini developer phone needs to be done...and then use any hole that might be available...rejoice! :-)

Just my own opinion...there is a chance that sony might push an update to their bootloader...so personally I would refrain from any updates,

Regards
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] DerEineDa:
Nobody said it has an unlocked bootloader. Don't spread false hopes.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] brat81:
Well there's a interesting post in the devs chat.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] kr3w1337:
I wonder what would hurt more, if I make an SE dev use x10 with this ****ty software until something useful happens or if I throw the phone at his face.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Bourbon Brain:
My vote is that we print off the 2.1 source code, compile it into a nice and thick book and THEN proceed to smack the SE devs upside the head with it.

They might lose a few hundred brain cells, but it may knock some sense into them.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] android-fan-X10:
Really?!! Sure? Okay if you say so...
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] brat81:
Here read this and get at least partly excited

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=8563603#post8563603
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] kishen80:
thats great news

thats good...hope they crack it.::D
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] CaseyB:
OoooOOOhhh! Some very exciting stuff going on in the Dev Forum!
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] mezo9090:
Now who's gonna try this ? ( check last post in dev thread )

If anyone have a spare phone and a good warranty .. you might want to take a shot ;)

Am not responsible for anything.

EDIT: Can some1 rename this post to "Custom rom development : Non-Devs only"
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] berbecverde:
This idea was posted in the devs only thread and I kind of like the idea. Anyone else?

Anyone willing to donate?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Brent87:
i thought we already had a donation thread for this kind of situation
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] berbecverde:
That thread was a donation for the devs hard work. There is some new development (I do not really understand what) but can brick your phone forever. So the idea was to get a x10 for the dev or devs so they can test on it.

Edit: or maybe some of those who think the x10 is useless would donate their phone for a good cause? :-)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] chris_knows:
I'd be in for donating for a brick phone...

Just a question, it would void warranty if I brick it by testing the file in the dev thread?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] argnom:
Yeah, it probably would. That is if the (generaly underpaid, overworked and relatively unqualified) employee has a way to check. *wink, wink*
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] shaunbu:
Or any1 got their phone insured?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] biktor_gj:
no worries, my phone always end up being the first for testing :)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] brat81:
Sweet so you're going to be the guinea pig ?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] android-fan-X10:
Why don't we use some of the bounty to get a new phone? And may be a dev phone?!! I'm up for it...where is that thread btw....
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] ddewbofh:
Refresh my memory. Will a debug BL check the image at all or does it just allow self-signing?

Cheers
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] consolation:
If you brick it, I'm sure we can have a paypal whip around for a replacement; worst case you'll be able to start testing jtag pinouts without worrying too much about toasting your phone. :rolleyes:
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] zyexx:
I like this idea:cool:
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] android-fan-X10:
+1 from me....
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] freco:
+1

Count me in.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] biktor_gj:
Thanks but theres no need for :)

This X10 was bought with the donations from the root bounty ( since my first x10 started failing soon after that), and Im personally not buying any SE phone again, neither would I want anyone paying a single dollar more to SE after the attitude they've shown. If I kill it, it will die trying to open the platform a bit more.

Im getting a n900 as a gift next week, so the only purpose of my x10 will be suffering until I get bored, until it breaks or until I can completely read and write to the flash from usbloader(whatever happens first). I can write already, and Im half the way with reading and the phone isnt dead, so not bad at all :)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] brat81:
AWESOME!!!!! Hope all goes well
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] mixxy:
i have a theory that may support that the screen is multitouch capable.

on our main lock screens, when you can drag the lock to the left or right - if you touch anywhere else on the screen, EVEN WHILE HOLDING WITH ONE FINGER, the lock goes back to its standard position.

im sorry that it sounds confusing, theres really no way of explaining it.

I'll make a video and upload it to youtube later in the day to show you guys what i mean. until then, if anyone wants to try it. do this.

hold the top side of the lock gesture thing, and drag it towards the middle, but not all the way. Stop a little bit before the middle, where it switches over to the left/right.

hold it there with your finger, and while holding it down, click near the bottom anywhere. The lock gesture thing will return to its normal position. This to me suggests that the screen CAN in fact sense multiple touches on the screen.

could be completely off tho haha. check it out. its just speculation.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] yetep:
Only issue is that both types of screens do this.. works out as a law of averages and it assumes you moved your finger to the mid point between where one finger is and the other is
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] nite4evr:
They also said there will be multi-touch for their next firmware upgrade for fall, you really trust them? a flagship device which doesn't support multi-touch? most likely lawsuit issue.

AND let's just say you're right about the hardware limitation, software can do it too. Heck my girl's old Nokia 5800 has multi-touch lol.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] realunited123:
5800 does? it has a resistive touch screen... if Yes please give me a link, I would like it on mine :-)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] maxld:
Damn, thread about cyanogen and multitouch topic is here as well as it is everywhere in the X10 forum :rolleyes:
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] ukon:
Well, if you turn the words around a bit.

Then they might mean that the phone hardware does not support multi-touch.. but does support Dual-Touch.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] nite4evr:
Yes 5800 does but software base. Google is your friend.

http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/item/9390_The_Nokia_5800_already_support.php
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Dave****:
You are correct, mixxy.

I even created an account to tell you so.

I just bought an x10 a few days ago (and have it rooted already :p) and I have been wondering about whether it could have touchscreen with 2.1.

Which led me here..

Your theory is sound. :)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] instigator008:
Download and install an app called Input Benchmark. You'll soon see that there is no multitouch enabled.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Tri3Dent:
Here's another theory that I found. It's not the lock screen but if you go and compose an SMS with the keyboard showing, try holding the "Shift" button and tap any letter. It would go CAPS. Tap again on another letter, it would make the letters lower case.

Try that.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] robbyf66:
stop going off topic about this multitouch. this is beyond annoying and I've wasted my time reading junk
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] mixxy:
the difference here is that since the screen is not multi touch enabled it will not register different touches. thats easy to tell just by trying it out in multitouch paint.

my theory doesnt state that multitouch is enabled, rather that the screen is in fact capable of performing multitouch gestures.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] mixxy:
but the registration of touch at two separate points is still present.

take for example when you go to multi-touch paint. you can be drawing with one finger, and then touch the screen with another finger. try drawing, it will not draw due to the lack of whatever coding.

but once uve got that finger taken off, and you first finger still. you can now resume drawing from the same position, which would suggest that it doesnt just center it out with the law of averages
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] mixxy:
then don't read it.

no need to be rude.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] gavriel18:
Hes not being rude. This isnt a thread about mt. Its about progress on cm. Please keep it on topic.

If mt is that important create a new thread.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] damirbusic:
Come on people, shut up about that multitouch for good !!
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] chris_knows:
What's the point of arguing about multi-touch? Unless you find something useful, you're just offering your opinion...
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] hiraj_panosian:
I like the arguing but i want to see it in the right thread so please everyone continue the discussion in General ==> multitouch (come and discuss)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] mixxy:
in all seriousness.... the thread IS about progress on cyanmod

someone asked whether multitouch would be enabled on the device once cyan is ported over.

As far as i know, the discussion is ON topic since a question regarding cyan and multitouch was asked.

but if you guys are that anal about reading about mt theories/speculation with cyan port then thats fine.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] jerpelea:
@ cm bugs are ironed /recompiled with latest changes

@ mt forget about it for now - we will look into it later and see if is possible to emulate if there is no true hardware suport (mt driver is in kernel)

@ loader we are all working on it on full trottle

@ stupid questions - stop poting them
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] zyexx:
I read somewhere of a prophesy of a group of developers with avatars shaped like box heads and penguins all pimped out. They spoke languages very few understood, but in the end they freed all X10 users from the tyranny of the ohh so disrespectful SE corporation, and then there was much rejoicing on the land, and for a time it was good

Keelah'Selai
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] kr3w1337:
Your such a lamer dude.