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[Desire General] AXIS of Reality:
Avoid the Xperia X10, mainly due to the terrible terrible battery life and the fact it's still running Android 1.6, as well has having much lower performance than the Desire and Nexus One which use almost identical internals.

As for 'jailbreaking', in Android circles the equivalent is known as 'rooting' to enable you to install all the awesome custom firmwares available on this forum to enable new features, speed up your device or even get the latest versions of Android before they're even released.

Games-wise, there is a decent selection, but truthfully the iPhone is the king of mobile gaming. I haven't found this to be a problem however, as I realised after owning an iPod Touch before my android phone that with most games I'll play them for a few minutes when I download them and then never really touch them again. I use music, video, email, social networking and general internet browsing far more.

As for Desire vs Galaxy S...kind of hard to choose.

Galaxy S Pros and Cons:

+ Large, amazing Super AMOLED screen

+ Most powerful Android device out, especially it's GPU (for 3D games)

+ DivX video support

+ Video-out if you want to connect it to a screen

+ Reportedly great sound quality for headphones

+ Battery life better than most other high-end Android phones

- The phone itself looks like a cheap iPhone ripoff (why Samsung why?!)

- Samsung use their 'TouchWiz' interface on top of Android which looks kind of ugly and adds little

- Samsung don't have a good track record with updates...they've confirmed Froyo but no word on whether it'll ever get anything above that

- Reportedly all custom roms will need to be based off Samsung's official roms, so won't have as large a variety as HTC phones

- Apparently many users have had GPS problems

HTC Desire Pros and Cons:

+ Huge variety of custom roms

+ Similarity with Nexus One means since Nexus One gets updates first, most can be quickly ported to Desire

+ HTC Sense interface on top of Android looks great and improves usability (especially the widgets)

+ HTC's default apps for mail, weather, etc are extremely well designed

+ Will most likely be able to run Android 3.0 (Gingerbread) ported from the Nexus One once it's released

+ Very good build quality and nicer-looking hardware

- Battery life not as good

- Smaller screen that's regular AMOLED rather than Samsung's new variety

- Not as powerful as Galaxy S

Hope that helps! I'm currently in the middle of deciding between the Desire and Galaxy S myself, so done a fair bit of research and tried both out.
[Desire General] AndroHero:
as you can see my quadrant score says diffrent :D
[Desire General] AXIS of Reality:
That would be because you're running Froyo, which the Galaxy S has been confirmed to be receiving later this year. =P

The more apt comparison is lower on that graph showing the 2.1 Desire and Nexus One far lower than the 2.1 Galaxy S.
[Desire General] vinayendra:
well thanks for that .. i am leaning towards htc desire more now ... just to confirm are there any better andriod phones in the market which are gsm and available outside US ??
[Desire General] pms:
Which battery meter are you using?
[Desire General] djoni1980:
vinayendra: since you mentioned only games in your post, my advice to you is to avoid android platform and go with Iphone if games are your priority...

If you still need to choose between these 3 phones, Galaxy would be your choice, cause it's better GPU will be advantage with games
[Desire General] diggedy:
I cant speak for the galaxy S but having used both desire and the xperia the desire wins hands down. The xperia is really laggy and the old version of android is a deal breaker. Once sony pull their fingers out and update the xperia it might be a different story but I dont think we will see that for a few more months yet

the only advantage the xperia has is the large internal apps storage, you dont need to root it if your wanting loads of apps unlike the desire
[Desire General] diggedy:
id love to know how to get that game running on my desire, I had it for my palm pre and loved it but the desire just gives me a black screen then it closes
[Desire General] vinayendra:
Games or not my priority .. i already have a ipod touch ... for me the main things are cool apps maybe even GPS , email and very good user interface ... i have a htc 3G touch ... it really sucks ...after having that i had decided not to go for HTC again ... But i cant buy iphone 4 as it takes a year to come to my country ... and i heard andriod phones are awesome ... so going back to HTC

So anyone owns a desire .. plz tell the pros and cons of desire which u felt while using
[Desire General] Ch3wyzzz:
Take the desire you wont regret it.and someone already mentiond pros & cons on page 1.

You only have to choose
[Desire General] AndroHero:
can you not read? it clearly says samsung galaxy s 2.2 on the benchmark :rolleyes:
[Desire General] AndroHero:
the one that comes with the expresso theme for 2.2 sence roms :)
[Desire General] djoni1980:
LOL, actually it says <2.2, which is 2.1 :p
[Desire General] AndroHero:
oh yeah so it does :o lol
[Desire General] Jabbafat23:
If you have access to those phones in India go and try them out in person because you won't have a clue on what everyone is going on about except for prior experience on your old Touch.

An Android phone is perfect if you live your online life through Google, if you don't I suggest you move.

An iPhone is known for simplicity and just working until you somehow manage to get yourself into the zoom feature and you're screwed unless you know the zoom out function. These high end phones are true powerhouses in pocket computing and are for more than showing off to your mates that you have a cool phone. If that's all you're going to do, you deserve an iPhone. If you're rolling up your sleeves and learning how to individualise yourself from every other Android user out there then you will quickly learn about live wallpapers, widgets, shortcuts and button combinations. Go further than that and its roms, themes, radios, adb commands so on and so forth.

Know what you want and shop according to it. One of these phones will tick most if not all of your needs and wants. Or something in the near future will. Between the 2 phones, out of the box you are looking at a difference of interface more than anything else. Really suggest you go try them out.
[Desire General] AXIS of Reality:
I'd mostly agree with that.

Android phones really are 'enthusiast' phones, in the sense that you get out of them what you put in. For example, customising it to work exactly how you want and look how you want it to look.

The iPhone is made as a very controlled system, so you have only the absolute minimum freedom (ie: change your wallpaper or order of icons). This is ideal for many people who want something that just 'works' and has been tuned to be an intuitive experience for the majority of people.

Android is based around making your phone uniquely yours, such as through the use of the homescreens to fill with whatever you want (widgets, controls, shortcuts, folders, etc). What this means is it requires more time and attention than an iPhone, but the end result is a phone and way of working that is of your own design.

Think of it like Lego:

- the iPhone is where you follow the instructions and get what is shown in the picture on the box (which can annoy people who want to do their own thing).

- Android is where you are given a pile of lego bricks to build whatever you want, so it's far more personalised even if it's not as polished as the iPhone (which can confuse or put of people who prefer a guiding hand and it to be done for them)

I'm happy to sacrifice some polish in the interface for the chance to really make my phone mine, but there are many who feel the other way. That's why it's great we have the oppurtunity to choose between Android and iOS (and soon Windows Phone 7, which seems like a halfway point between the two).
[Desire General] vinayendra:
thanks for all that ... Now i am convinced to go for a desire which i will buy sometime this week

i have a small doubt ( a n00b one) .. whats the use of "rooting" and installing ROM`s???.. is it the same as "jailbreaking" in iphone where i can install paid apps and games for free and play with my looks ?? ... or is there anyother use??
[Desire General] nohcho:
i have HTC Desire which i bough from a friend in England, (i live in Seattle) and absolutely love it. My co-worker has Tmobile Samsung Vibrant. Ill give my impressions and quick pros and cons, i may sound little bias but here it is.

Samsung Galaxy Pros

Large SuperAMOLED screen, true 800x480 res, multitouch (Which, while is brighter than the Desire, not that much better, almost cant tell the difference.)

Better battery life, Galaxy also comes with 1500 mAh battery whereas Desire come with 1400 mAh ( again only one day of test with moderate use)

Better GPU

16 Gb of internal storage (which is a huge plus)

720p @30 frames video capture (which also is possible on the Desire with a custom ROM)

Cons

Built quality is extremely cheap, back is shiny plastic which is prone to scratches

Has ugly iphone 3GS style bezel around the screen

No camera flash (this one is a huge let down by Samsung which is beyond any comprehension)

Ugly UI which is a blatant iOS rip off (this one may be strictly preferential depending if you like iOS look or not)

Samsungs proven lack of support track record

Not clear whether gonna have large dev support on XDA

External speaker is horrible, tiny sound (Desire is the same)

That is all i can think of at the moment

Desire Cons

Uses old Clear pad 2000 touch panel which lacks true multitouch support or supports it in a broken way (you can google Nexus one touch screen problems, there is 70 pages plus thread about it)

Uses Cheap Pentile pixel arrangement, which some argue is better for media but horrible if ou spend most of the time reading text on your device. ( you can google Pentile on Nexus One, Anandtech.com has very informative article about this)

Eternal speaker is horrible, sound is tiny and quite

video capture is crap

When using on low brightness, screen has pink hue

Battery life is mediocre

Pros

Built quality is way better than Galaxy, also looks sophisticated compared to Galaxy

Camera flash

Huge support from XDA developers since it is almost identical to Nexus One

Runs Sense, although i equally hate Sense, it is a lot better that TouchWiz

Has hardware buttons (this one is a deal breaker for me as Galaxy touch sensitive buttons are unresponsive at times and generally suck)

AMOLED is almost as good as Galaxy's ( aside from cheap ass touch panel that HTC used on Desire and Nexus One, why HTC why)

That is all i can think of at the moment. I am eligible for an upgrade with Tmobile, but i think ill keep the Desire. Just better phone aside from crappy screen. Hope this helps
[Desire General] fackelein:
You really show the pros and cons of Desire in detail, appreciate for your sharing.
[Desire General] AXIS of Reality:
Good list, although some of those pros and cons actually apply to both. These are:

- BOTH use Pentile screen pixel arrangements.

- BOTH have 800 x 480 resolution, or if you're talking about how Pentile works with subpixels they then both have the same number, since both are Pentile.

- I haven't been able to test, but supposedly while AMOLED (Desire screen) and Super AMOLED (Galaxy screen) look mostly the same indoors or under artificial light / shade, but when in direct sunlight the difference is far clearer with Super AMOLED not washing out as much as regular AMOLED and being much more readable.

Definitely agree the phone iPhone-envy look of the Galaxy leaves a lot to be 'desired' (har har), but from reports the build quality is supposed to actually be just as good with no creaking or weak parts, just much less attractive than the design and materials of the Desire.
[Desire General] nohcho:
Sorry, forgot to mention that they both use Pentile and in the direct sun advantage of the Galaxy. Also, Desire does not have same screen problems as Nexus One does just the multitouch.
[Desire General] slajk:
I have tried all 3. Xperia x10 is not good at all. If you want HTC Sense, buy HTC Desire and if it doesn't, you can go for Galaxy S
[Desire General] wolf_man:
I own both the Desire and Galaxy S and somebody asked me earlier which I preferred and I couldn't really choose, but then he said "Look, if I walked in the door and said, I'm taking one of these. You can NOT keep the 2 of them. Which would you choose?"

Sure enough, I could decide on the spot

I'd keep the Desire!

Don't get me wrong.

The Galaxy S is a great phone with gorgeous display etc and it's also very powerful, but there's just that *something* that I can't even put my finger on, which would make me opt for the Desire each time!
[Vibrant General] JckKerouc:
I know these are apparently not available on the US model, but if you look carefully under the USB port at an angle, it looks like there is a camera and LED there. Is that the location of the Euro FCC/LED?

Reuven
[Vibrant General] speedysilwady:
nope, i thought the same thing but those are light and proximity sensors.

sorry if i sound rude but please search the forums, this has been answered many times before.
[Vibrant General] chaoscentral:
the Euro version has no LED anyways.
[Vibrant General] degeneration:
This should probably be under general but I am pretty sure what you are seeing is the light and proximity sensors... but maybe you are seeing something I am not...
[Droid X Android Development] cavz903:
Hows it going you guys? this is my first post in the Droid X forum. Im sorry if im posting incorrectly or in the wrong section. Im currently a G1 owner but looking to make the switch to verizon. Having a hard time debating weather to get the Incredible or the X. I'm seeing all kinds or information out there talking about what you can and cant do but nothing is very clear yet. Looking to get a few questions answered. Hopefully the information here will help other gromets like myself to get a better understanding what this whole efuse/bootloader thing means to us.

So with root access, i can do everything im am used to with root?

like run apps that require super user permissions,

run metamorph,

wifi tether,

run adb to push files and run scripts

And with out the bootloader capabilities, i can not:

load custom roms

nandroid backup

run setCPU?

Am i correct in these findings? Am i missing anything? Any help would be greatly appreciated. If there is already a post that covers all of these topics, please, mods, move this there.

Thank you so much in advance.
[Droid X Android Development] drew630:
Correct!
[Droid X Android Development] x.v_:
'SetCPU' may be possible, if you're referring to overclocking in general. =p I don't know if SetCPU works with the way the Milestone is overclocked, but if it does, then SetCPU should work.
[Droid X Android Development] dacki:
Why wouldn't nandroid backup work without bootloader? Worked on milestone as well without bootloader...
[Droid X Android Development] scooler:
The question I have is then: what can a ROM do that root can't? If I can remove crap and change to sense UI with root (right?), then why is a rom needed, except for kernel changes?
[Droid X Android Development] amigoingcrazzy:
Having root means you can customize the current rom on your phone to your hearts content (not that some of it will be easy). it prevents you from loading other roms that people have made, ones that would include the sense ui, 2.2+, etc. some of the heavier customizations and functionality will require more changes or code bases than can be changed in root.
[Droid X Android Development] cavz903:
Thats so great you guys. I think im willing to work without the custom roms for now. as long as i can do all the other things mentioned. but i dont see anywhere in the threads on how to gain root/SU access.
[Droid X Android Development] ritkit:
They have not gained root access yet.
[Droid X Android Development] cavz903:
wait, i beleive thats where us gromets are getting confused.

so how are we able to:

like run apps that require super user permissions,

run metamorph,

wifi tether,

run adb to push files and run scripts?
[Droid X Android Development] coolbho3000:
A loadable kernel module hack like what's done on the Milestone should be possible.

SetCPU will run and change frequencies with just straight root - but no overclocking.
[Droid X Android Development] cavz903:
so with straight root, we can do these things right?

run apps that require SU permissions (like metamorph, clearme, autokiller, etc.)

run ADB to push files and remove system apps

wifi tether (non verizon $20/mo)

But there is still no straight root access available yet.

is this correct?
[Droid X Android Development] B-dub25:
not metamorph i believe we need nand unlocked
[Droid X Android Development] Garrett07:
The only way i see you getting to do the things you're wanting to within a year is by going with the incredible, we already have root and are on the verge of having a cracked bootloader, The milestone came out the same time as the moto droid (or roughly the same time i can't remember) but is still not rooted and the DroidX has the same bootloader so i don't see a root anytime soon
[Droid X Android Development] cavz903:
Garrett-

thank you so much for your informative answer. but im still shady on some parts.

i thought we had "root only" available, which was the same as the milsestone. And the only thing we were missing was access to the bootloader which blocked us from running custom roms. Is that incorrect? Are none of the tasks i mentioned "at all" possible at this time?

Thank you so much for your insight.
[Droid X Android Development] Mikerrrrrrrr:
The Milestone has been rooted, but its encrypted bootloader has not been cracked, leaving it with no custom roms.

The Droid X has not been rooted yet, nor has its similarly encrypted bootloader been cracked.
[Droid X Android Development] stickerbob:
I have a Nexus One and a friend has an Incredible. Both still have locked bootloaders and both are running custom ROM's. I cannot say if that will be the case with the X, but I would like to think it would be. Once I had root on my N1 I was able flash an alternate recovery which allows me to load any ROM I choose. See this thread for more info, this is the method that I used.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=710842
[Droid X Android Development] Ezun:
I'm weighing in here but I'm not an expert so please correct if I'm wrong.

The reason that the Incredible is able to load a custom ROM is that they found a way to do a "temporary unlock" of nand which allows us to load a custom recovery. This custom recovery allows for the the temporary unlock which is required to load a new ROM. When the phone is rebooted nand relocks.

So, while we are able to load custom ROMs on the Incredible it's because unrevoked figured out how to temporarily unlock nand. With the encryption on the milestone and Droid X bootloaders they haven't figured out how to do this temporary (or permanent) unlock - thus no custom ROMs.
[Droid X Android Development] davisbs999:
very informative. Thanks!
[Droid X Android Development] onelifexv:
It's amazing what a day makes, as the Droid X is now rooted. Why did it take so much longer to root the Milestone? Well, no one cares about England. Just kidding, but the customer base for the Milestone, I would assume, is much smaller then that of the Droid, and similarly the Droid X, so you're going to see a lot more people working on the Droid X.
[Vibrant General] vince2398:
The Vibrant I have does not seem to be solidly built. Whenever I press on the sides or back cover, it makes a crunch like sound and it seems like its loose and does not have a solid feel. Anyone else's Vibrant having the same problem? I am thinking about exchanging for a new one but want to be sure its not a common problem. Thanks in advance.
[Vibrant General] skater4690:
the only noise i hear is from the usb slide thing it sounds a little loose but i can deal with that
[Vibrant General] gnunixguy:
Mine doesn't do that... I would take it back for a replacement if I were you.
[Vibrant General] t1n0m3n:
Mine doesn't make a sound either.
[Vibrant General] Xyber3364:
Mine feels very sturdy and solid no noises, I like it my only concern is the way the back plate comes off. It is like the evo pops off instead of sliding. Maybe that is why they give you a spare back plate.
[Vibrant General] iperez916:
Working great, so far with no sounds...
[Vibrant General] skater4690:
ok actually just realized its the volume up and down button making all the noise... but its not that bad i can deal with it, its not like im gonna shake my phone up and down all day
[Vibrant General] vince2398:
Thanks for the feedback, I am going to get a new one. Also, perhaps it may also be the phone I have but on the Market app, the connection is very slow and sometimes I get a Connection Retry error, are you guys experiencing this also? I hope not because I do like this phone a lot.
[Vibrant General] SykesAT:
its not the sturdiest phone I've owned, but nor is it the worst.

If you are getting some crunch sound, take it back
[Vibrant General] unxconformed:
There isn't anything wrong with your phone, no need to return it. Mine makes all the "crunches" and such too if you squeeze around the edges of the phone. I don't think there is anything wrong with your phone, it's just the plastic very slightly flexing and rubbing on itself. All the Vibrants I have played with in the last few days have been the same. In particular it's the shiny grey rim around the phone that is the culprit. I don't think most of the people commenting here are quite aware of what your concerns are and haven't properly squeezed that grey border correctly to produce the sounds.

If you are still suspecting it, just go compare it with one of the floor models at your local t-mobile.
[Vibrant General] vince2398:
Yes it is the shiny piece around the phone. I'll try out the other floor models to see tomorrow. It just seems worse on the one I have.
[Vibrant General] dashed:
Mine is the same way, every time i pick it up I hear some creaking. I am thinking about exchanging it also.
[Android Themes] AbsoluteDesignz:
I see a LOT of great themes in this section...absolutely amazing.

Unfortunately I have a Nexus One....and being that our community is a lot smaller we have a paltry selection of themes....

I noticed that a lot of themes here lack HDPI support...and I was wondering if any kind fellow here could either port their themes they make to HDPI devices or if someone else can (with permission) pick up a theme and port....

It'd be great and the entire HDPI android scene would be pleased.
[Android Themes] chancellorr:
Suavesque is free to port. :]
[Android Themes] shiftedx:
I've been getting a lot of pm's asking for HDPI version of my theme.. http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=7208540#post7208540

I'm working on it myself, I've grabbed most files from Nexus CM6 and I'm working with that specifically. Either way its free to port if you have the time and beat me to it... or you could help me out lol :)
[Android Themes] AbsoluteDesignz:
well I can't do .9 pngs, suck at XML, have no clue how to do metamorphs or pack update.zips and know nothing about .jar files for framework....

but I can make a mean mockup. lol
[Android Themes] shiftedx:
HD devices are 480x800 am I rite? I'm skinning launcherpro for HD now for my theme.
[Android Themes] AbsoluteDesignz:
yea 480 x 800 (or in the case of Droid and Droid X 480 x 854)

the resolutions for things are what you'd really need to know though right?

I know app icons have an area of 72 x 72...that's pretty mcuh all i know off the top of my head though.
[Android Themes] fxn:
Have a look at this: http://goo.gl/TvPE might dispell some myths around .9 pngs for you.

.FxN