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[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
I don't think you will ever see a port of WP7 on the TG01. Although it does have a snapdragon it does NOT have a capacitive screen and there aren't any WP7 phones coming out with similar specs to the TG01 (small screen size, 256mb RAM, motherboard) so it seems porting would be pretty difficult, especially because porting it to any phone requires re-writing drivers from scratch.

The device in that article (if it was real) was used as an early testing device only.

Porting to the HD2 is going to be hard enough, I honestly don't see a TG01 port, but you never know.
[Windows Phone 7 General] makoute:
For the most part MS did pretty much say, that WP7 would not be on any current devices, when it was being worked on, if I remember correctly.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mobiler:
No more Microsoft for me.

TOTALLY Agree !

I am an HD2 owner. I am very content with the HD2 and wanted to move over to HD7. However after reading about Windows Phone 7 OS, I think that is a step forward for simple non-demanding users, but a HUGE step backwards for demanding people.

- No multitasking. LOL. Now tell me this is not going backwards ?

- No copy & paste. Wow back to the old iPhone 1 generation which also didn't have that.

- The lack of microSD expansion (though some say there is, not sure)

- The processor in the HD7 is a bit inferior to the Snapdragon that the HD2 has.

- Closed system means people who want RTL languages such as Arabic or Hebrew can forget about it for the time being.

- Only very limited number of apps. Old Apps for WM6.5 would not work. There are hardly any apps at the moment. I don't think it would get to the massive number of apps Android or iPhone has.

All in all I find Windows Phone 7 is terrible for power users. But probably adequate for simple users, though for these users even an iPhone 4 would be better.

Going to get my HTC Desire HD. Microsoft lost me, and I have been left no choice but to move to Android.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
Multitasking will come. It's really not important except for a few scenarios. Microsoft will probably do something similar to iPhone for this.

It has hot linking and regular C&P is coming in January.

Some devices have it, some do not.

They both have the QSD8250.

Did people add languages to WinMo previously? Yea, WP7 doesn't have worldwide language support yet but more will come over time.

No doubt that it doesn't have as many apps as Android or iPhone. I'd argue that it already has more useful apps than WM6. How many are there that are not used to modify some flaw in the system or generally customize the base OS? How many WM apps are finger friendly? How many are relevant and not just some super old app that hasn't been updated in years? WP7 isn't even on sale yet in the US. The apps will come. There's already well over 1000 in the marketplace.

Yes, if you want to tweak every little aspect of your phone, Android and WM are "better" than WP7. But the architectural decisions that Microsoft has made are very much for the better. I want my phone to work. I don't want it to lag every time I go to do something. WP7 is the fastest and smoothest OS on the market. It's at least as fast as iOS on the iPhone and light years ahead of WM and Android.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jdlorinser:
Well said. I totally agree.
[Windows Phone 7 General] calc:
A lot of good points above but I think the key concept here is market share. This is quite possibly Microsoft's last chance to retake some of the mobile market before it's too late... if i has not already passed. There's a lot of people out there who do no frequent XDA and the majority of people out there have little technical skill to care about such things. It would be in their best interest to design something simple, easy to use out of the box experience that blows your mind away. They are selling this product to as many people as possible...... i think the critiques here are a little too harsh if you look at this from microsoft's point of view.
[Windows Phone 7 General] geronemo:
I totally agree,

ppl. here do not understand that Microsoft are doing what apple did, and look how successful they are with IOS, i mean seriously, can you think of any other phone after the Moto Razor that sold like hot cake??? at least i cant.

The major market share is in ppl. who do not want to tweak their phones to begin with. Apple understand that and they have only one phone on one carrier and look how successful they are and when they come out on Verizon they will ebe even more successful.

And its not like you cant customize iphone, there is cydia etc.

Same way WinPhone7 will be hackable in the future to a some extent.

i think looking at the numbers and the big picture, this is pretty much Microsoft's revival in the phone OS market because from a company's point of view they market share sucks, and they can only do better with WinPhone 7.

When a friend or relative ask me, knowing they are not tech. savvy i tell them to get android or iphone, something they will understand.

I, on the other hand love my Hd2 and am fine with living with WinMo 6.5 + android ported on my phone for now ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] epdm2be:
Show me a decent android phone (with LEd flash that can be used as a torch) with proper 2-way incall-recording and I'll buy it PRONTO!

As of yet NONE can. Even a goddamn Nokia X6 can record phonecalls worse... my bloody aging Sam**** SGH-i900 can... even much worse a lousy SE or Nokia featurephone can (yes i mean that old fart K750i/K550i indeed). But those mighty Droid X, Desire, Galaxy S just can't. Hell, the most powerfull Android phone ATM the galaxy S hasn't even got a LED light at all. Which is really weird since my Omnia 1 has a LED lamp with inbuild torch software from Sam**** themselves?????

Oh well. I'm doomed to stay on this Samsung Omnia 1 or Acer Neotouch since these are the only 2 smartphones that i know that can really record 2-way phonecalls (the old omnia can do it even better then the acer because it can even record calls from the bluetooth handsfree, really!)
[Windows Phone 7 General] geronemo:
I dont know how many ppl. use call recording option although the torch one is a good one.

Talk about samsung galaxy s, well i don't know about you but try putting galaxy S and HD2 side by side and you will notice what super amoled can make the hd2 look like.

Also goes the omnia have multi-touch??

anyhow i am just saying that different ppl. like different features just go with the one you like, one specific feature can or cannot make one phone superior to the others.

Cheers.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Over8ted:
Sorry if it has already been discussed, but will by chance WP7 work on any Android-native devices like the Desire? I love my Desire and Android in general, but looking at what you guys are capable of, would a WP7 port to the Desire or other Android phones be possible?
[Windows Phone 7 General] qsewda:
possibility

will this be available (unofficially of course) on a touch diamond 2(topaz)? i know that it does not run snapdragon but i really liked topaz very much. anyways the specs does not trail too far behind the official windows phone 7's.
[Windows Phone 7 General] The Gate Keeper:
i really doubt it. as the thread says... it will not support any current ones. i doubt there is a big push to get it going except for the HD2 which is closely speced as the current phones, and even then there is still a lot of speculation as to whether the videos we've seen are actually real, or it's just a really good skin for windows mobile 6.5.
[Windows Phone 7 General] loddogg:
loddogg

check dis video...

wm7 on htc hd2 ?!!!!

from xda-china

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnpmKRFahx4
[Windows Phone 7 General] dejx:
There is 100% no way wp7 will run on topaz. Wp7 is build for arm7.

d2,pro2 are arm6.

Its good they ditched support for <Arm7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] DavidinCT:
It's too bad that the HTC HD2 is only on T-mobile's crappy service (at least in major part of my area, it was given a "poor" on their site and a lot of places I travel here in CT)

Same with the HTC HD7, I want one of these phones but, due to crappy coverage, no thanks.
[Windows Phone 7 General] eternalemb:
I call bs. That's the case with any company, including Verizon. I had Verizon for 8 years and just switched to T-Mobile last month and in the same locations where I used Verizon, T-Mobile performs equally well. Verizon always had no service at a particular part of my city (Pasadena, CA), yet T-Mobile works just fine. So its not really fair to say either service sucks, just have different dead spots ;-)
[Windows Phone 7 General] zack_sparrow:
Thats pretty nifty there buddy =]
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
sounds like you need to complain to your carrier why aren't they getting all the top phones like tmobile. They are really making a push for new subscribers and have gotten most of the top phones in the last year.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MicroBoI:
Strongly agree :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] truffle1234:
why are u so worked up over a so use less OS which cant do what other OS do??????

the only thing u guys are pissed with that Microsoft closed the door which allowed Android to run on a Windows mobile OS device....
[Windows Phone 7 General] heisven:
As if Microsoft would care about the one thousand little flies on xda who are keen and ABLE to upgrade a mobile phone at all. They want to sell new phones.

Xda-readers and members are not representative.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Verzon has an infinitely larger network than T-Mobile, so the changes of getting no or terrible T-Mobile reception are infinitely higher than for Verizon.

T-Mobile needs to build out their Network, but they seem thoroughly uninterested in doing so. I'm on T-Mobile. I live near an HSPA+ market. If I drive 5 miles out the city I drop to Edge and in about 5-10 more miles I'm down to GPRS or I'm roaming on someone else's network (this is why they give free roaming, I'm sure). It's a terrible network, by comparison.

The only reason why I use it is because I live in a low reception area and due to their roaming contracts I can actually make a call from those areas, but AT&T just put up a tower here so... They're going to be putting up at least 1 more here, as well. T-Mobile... Nada. That was then, this is now. ETF fee shall be incoming...

A carrier is only as good as the size and reliability of its network. I dunno about AT&T in New York or San Fran. I don't live in a congested city with tons of skyscapers, so AT&T has always been reliable for me in the areas where the reception is at least decent, and with a Tower 1 mile away I expect it to be quite excellent when I switch back.

XDA is a pretty well-known site, which is good...

However, I think some of the members here really overestimate their "factor level."

You don't matter THAT much. Get over yourselves.
[Windows Phone 7 General] leewenxu:
This is my first time posting a comment or thought regarding WP7 on HD2 issue and please pardon me for any mistakes.

I think Microsoft is trying to adopt Apple's method for mobile phone and that is having a standard device with that complies with the standard required hardwares for all future updates for the OS. ie: For Apple iPhones, the hardware are almost identical for every series and for iPhone 4 its slightly more powerful than the rest. So that whenever updates are issued, its applicable throughout all of them and no additional work or tweaking is required. Its all for uniformity and people do not have to ask "Is my phone is supported for the latest update?"

As for the requirements for the 3 main buttons is completely BS and everyone knows that. Again, its for the sake of uniformity to have 3 buttons only so every manufacturer can never have any extra buttons if the phone is for WP7. ie: Like iPhones. No more explanations needed for the ONLY button below the screen. Microsoft is just worried that we may program the send button on HD2 to launch a nuclear missile remotely and to transfer money from Bill Gates's account by just pressing the end call button. Programmable physical buttons - that's the real issue behind 3 or 5 buttons thingy and they do not want that.

As for the Live services, its a method where Microsoft can monitor users' activities with their WP7 phone to reduce the chances of it being hacked inside out. Well, there's always 2 sides to arguments like this and it goes on forever. ie: the necessity to have a locked down OS for safety sake (and some say profit) VS freedom to mod phones catered to personal preference and usage (because we can.)

Last but not least, we have to look at the nature of Microsoft was well. Its basically a profit oriented (like any other companies) and hence its a capitalist. So, most probably they'll ask you something like "Excuse me sir, would you like to try our new OS for mobile phone, Windows Phone 7? If you do, PAY US!" - I'm trying to show that this is their opportunity to gain more profit by ditching existing customers ie. WinMo 6.5 and below. Classic case of capitalism.

Have all being said, I'm happy there are many talented people here in XDA (referring to Cotulla, Da_G and more) to allow us to have a glimpse of WP7 without having to get a WP7 phones soon. And not to mention Android as well. So for people who knows jack and curious (like me), please be patient and I'm sure they're cracking their nuts as well.

Finally, a big thanks to everyone in XDA for providing so much for my HD2.

***All I wanted to say is please go to WP7 theme thread and look at the poll choices. It made me laughed. Serious.***

Have a nice day!!! :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Correct. It also means manufacturers can focus on what they do best, churning out devices, and stay the hell out of the phones' software. You get a hub. Thx and baibai! :>

It's not Bull. An Extra button is yet another variable they have to consider when updating the devices. It's actually a big deal. May look small to us, but it's big to them. If they make exceptions for A, B will come up with some great idea and want an exception. The only way to be fair is to say no to everyone.

Anyways, how would you like it if you ordered an Inspiron notebook and had a nice experience, then your second one came with a Dvorak or UNIX keyboard on it? It's a user experience issue as well.

It also prevents rapid piracy and copyright violations, like what happens in the Android community.

Anyone who tries this ROM and does like WP7 will not want to use it on this phone. They'll want a WP7 phone. Also, since WP7 DRMs your Storage Card is basically locks you out from booting Android, so I guess that helps Microsoft a bit in the end, even if the users is willing to stick with an inferior user experience :P

Microsoft has already been paid. They got paid when the manufacturer licensed the OS for that device. As long as they sold their licenses to the ODMs, they've been paid. It's not Microsoft you need to pay. It's your Carrier (who brought the phone from the ODMs) that want to get paid. Carriers have no issues pushing updates back to try to entice frustrated users to upgrade to new devices. They're scandalous.
[Windows Phone 7 General] leewenxu:
Thanks for your thoughts. I simply love diplomatic yet articulate conversation and I've learn a thing or two about WP7. I guess WP7 is the new way of doing things whether we like it or not and its already happening. Again, thank you N8ter and everyone in XDA for keeping HD2 alive. Cheers.
[Windows Phone 7 General] truffle1234:
all i want to say to you.... please try the HD7 and u will know what microsoft has done, if you want a phone which really works and runs windows OS please try it out....

i am a windows person as i am some how hooked on it, used to be palm user and gave up after tungeten. i had tried almost ever rom on my TP2 for past one year, but we all know WM was flawed OS and it always slow down and hanged in the end... i was upgrading roms every other day as energy is so good that he is been churning out new roms...

when i heard about WP7 a year ago i thought it will be another GUI upgrade but when i used the phone for the first time i realized what microsoft has done, its sooooo smooth, and so easy to use... it takes some time to get used to the back and home buttons but ones u get it its so great...

i am sorry i am not an android user.... but i tried it on my TP2 once but it was a handicap for me as i cant use wifi, and cant sync wiht my outlook..

i agree that microsoft has tighten the grip on the users with WP7 by cloud computing but they have given the reguler smartphone user like me a great OS and as u are a HD2 user u will know when i say a great HD7 device..
[Windows Phone 7 General] bhast2:
Will the LG Fathom run WP7

as it only has 3 buttons on front and it has the snapdragon processor
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
It has a Resistive Touchscreen...

No.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jz9833:
To fully answer your question, the answer is yes it likely is possible however, since microsoft closely controls who is allowed onto the market place you will not be able to access it or any of the other cloud based services (pretty much the entire OS).
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
ACTUALLY, since it is a resistive touch screen it probably would prove difficult in a lot of ways, including attempting to emulate drivers for it. There is literally no development for this and so intrinsically it will never happen.

The HD2 is the ONLY winmo phone that runs a snapdragon and capacitive touch screen, it also mirrors more closely the hardware of current WP7 devices and actually has strong development in virtually all areas, which is why it will be the only device to ever get a port, Live Services or not.
[Windows Phone 7 General] l3v5y:
TG01 and HD2 were both used internally by MS for WP7 development. Resistive itself is not a reason for it not to work.

Also, one reason there's progress on HD2s+WP7 is that WP7 ROMs for the HD2 exist already.
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangekid:
There was never a WP7 ROM for the HD2 before Cotulla ported it via emulation. Resistive itself isn't a reason it's impossible, but it does make it impractical for certain features of the phone.

The main point is that there is no development for the TG01 or any other snapdragon phone for that matter and I honestly don't think there will be any, but hey, I could be wrong.

I never thought we'd get Android running this well on our HD2
[Windows Phone 7 General] l3v5y:
TG01 and HD2 were used by Microsoft for WP7 development. There are WP7 ROMs for both.
[Windows Phone 7 General] WindowsLP:
http://pocketnow.com/windows-phone/toshiba-tg01-spotted-running-windows-phone-7
[Windows Phone 7 General] xThe Enforcer:
Glad to hear it won't be supported. People should upgrade and see the light!
[Hero, G2 Touch General] theSpam:
Hi,

I rooted my Telus Hero about two months ago but neglected to update the radio because of bricking reports. However, after reading these forums daily for the past two months, it seems as though radio flashes are a routine task...so it's probably fair to say that the bricks were caused by user error.

...so, I've decided to update my radio. As of now, I'm still on the EU radio that is flashed by the rootable RUU and I've noticed some issues. Phone numbers have to be dialed in a certain way and my signal is seemingly weaker when I'm at work. Also, I've read reports of people getting faster GPS fixes with the newer radios.

And here's the final question: can anyone thoroughly describe the process so I know what to expect? From the research I've done, it's like flashing a ROM (through recovery), but slightly different. The radio update zip is selected, the screen changes to the picture with the box/phone/arrow and the phone will subsequently reboot into recovery when the process has completed. I also understand that under no circumstances should the battery be removed during this process. Is that all? And how long does the process usually take?

I also want to mention that I'll be grabbing the latest radio from here: http://www.villainrom.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=323

Thanks!
[Hero, G2 Touch General] btdag:
See my newbie guide - there is a section for radio updates

It usually takes 1 minute or less but some people have reported it taking 20 minutes or more (no idea why)
[Hero, G2 Touch General] gascanieto:
you've described the procedure yourself.
[Captivate General] nxt:
I'm a Nexus One owner, previously G1/MyTouch3G also, so I'm no n00b.

With all Androids, if you have a microSD card, you just plug in the USB and you can mount the microSD card as a drive and copy stuff to it. Which is necessary since we have stupid small ass internal storage. Also it's where we copy pictures/mp3s to it.

So now, with the Samsung Galaxy S series of phones with 16 GIGS of internal storage, how do we ACCESS this storage from the PC so we can copy pictures/mp3s to the internal storage? Is there a way to MOUNT the internal storage?

I haven't read a SINGLE thing about this.

It would REALLY suck if we had to manually do it: Mount microSD, copy stuff to it, unmount, use a file explorer on the phone itself and manually move the files into internal storage.

Yeah there's probably root apps and such that you can ssh in, or use adb to transfer, but that's NOT ideal.

Would be nice is the internal storage auto mounts when mounting microSD like Garmin GPS systems. Garmin GPS systems have SD card slot, when you plug it in, you can see the INTERNAL Garmin memory as well as whatever is on the SD card. (You'll see 2 removable storage devices mounting in Windows).
[Captivate General] unclejimbo88:
I think when it's plugged in, the normal notice pops up in the notification bar. But instead of just asking you to mount, it asks if you want to mount internal or the sd card.
[Captivate General] okmft:
No luck accessing internal RAM from me either (and I think other reviewers on CNET had the same bad luck)...Just got mine on Friday, and it is great except for connecting to the PC (64bit Vista) looping through MTP mode (the device keeps flashing back and forth between main screen and MTP mode, and the PC keeps trying to install the right driver to access the device as a USB mass storage device). Multiple restarts and messing with the device in Device Manager yielded no results, so I just used removable SD card to add files to the device. That obviously works fine, but is irritating.

Anyone else having trouble accessing Captivate as Mass Storage Device?

Best wishes to all.
[Captivate General] Balthazar B:
I can't tell if you're using the Captivate driver located here.

Loosely related...I'm curious as to whether all the work going on in the Modaco SGS forums to optimize I/O (such as this) is applicable at all to the Captivate...anyone know?
[Captivate General] ewingr:
I installed the driver on my Win7 machine.

I set up the USB to ask when I plug it in. I select Mass Storage. Two drives show up in the list of drivers, but when I click either one, it says "Please insert a disk in the removable disk".

What am I missing?

[EDIT]

Hang on, there was a window behind my windows with a message about install failure, device unplugged. Trying again.

[EDIT2]

Installed again. Didn't get error. Using same method as above, still no go.

So then I select PC Internet the next time I plugged in the USB cable, and it then gave the Windows POPUP saying Installing Drivers, and finished with Ready to Use. But, now I don't see the drives in Explorer. So I launched Windows Mobile Device Center...didn't see anything.
[Captivate General] moosefist:
In settings goto Applications > USB Settings > select "Mass Storage" and viola!
[Captivate General] ewingr:
I have the popup set to ask, and as noted in my post, I did select Mass Storage first couple times. It does show drives, but but when I click either one, it says "Please insert a disk in the removable disk".

Thanks for the suggestion though.:)
[Captivate General] dewt:
The windows 7 drivers for htc android phones are hosed in general for me. I have to use linux in a virtual machine to access ANY htc android phone.
[Captivate General] madjsp:
once you hit mass storage, if you bring the notification bar down, you can click the "usb" setting and select mount. Perhaps that will work? (or is that for mac only?)