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[Captivate Android Development] systoxity:
lets see...

att customer base > tmobile customer base

Captivate > Vibrant

Price of captivate at att > Pricing at tmobile

Lastly its all a big happy galaxy familly so once one of the carriers gets some suga the rest will most likely follow as well.
[Captivate Android Development] abti:
I know I know. I have a feeling once vibrant has a custom rom I am sure we can use thier rom and mood to use on the captivate. Maybe? I don't know if it is ghat easy but....... I wish there was someone who can tell me this.

Dev team???? Where u at?
[Captivate Android Development] systoxity:
It will most likely occur like you say. Dev team is probably still playing with all their other amazing smartphones untill this gets shipped out to them :p
[Captivate Android Development] sl8125:
Isn't the Galaxy S the next big smartphone? I guess i just need to follow the Vibrant group or the Galaxy S forum.
[Captivate Android Development] moosefist:
I honestly do not understand why there are so many sub forums for the galaxy s. IE: dream, rogers, g1, adp1 = 1 forum. The galaxy s, facinate, vibrant, epic, and captivate should be in one forum since for the most part they share identical hardware.
[Captivate Android Development] Drachen:
I agree. It seems that the dev and software forums could easily be merged. The whole "I modded the Galaxy S root file" in the Vibrant forum and subsequent "I modded the Vibrant root file" in the Captivate forum stuff is the perfect example why there should be a merged dev forum. Not so logical with the accessories forum, but I think it could be done. I wouldn't want the general forums to be merged though. I don't think Vibrant fans want or need to see all our store reports, price controversies and sideloading hacks.
[Captivate Android Development] abezapata:
Lol towards the end of your post.
[Captivate Android Development] moosefist:
Either way, it will if the vibrant root team makes a good rom it will be easy enough to port to the captivate. I am sure in the community spirit of android the US galaxy S roms will be a collaborative effort.
[Captivate Android Development] BA_Flash_GOD:
Yes agreed, ATT tells customers JACK SHEET

hah I was lucky enough to use the captivate at my local ATT yesterday (Saturday) morning for about 20 mins, which finalized my decision to ditch my HTC Desire and pick up one of these about 10 mins ago online (they're up now of course starting today) only $499 out of contract, sure as hell beats the $620 I paid for the desire a mere 1.5 months ago.

If you're lucky like me and have been out of contract with ATT (been ATT member since 2003 and out of contract since 05 here) you still get access to unlimited data of course, so that's a great bonus if you buy out of contract with no commitment.

Side by side, my poor HTC desire was absolutely NO match for the Captivate in all areas from the camera to application reaction times to definite lag on the HTC device when multiple widgets are being run. The camera on the Captivate is hands down much more clear and smooth with videos. I got to take them outside where my desire was completely unviewable at full brightness, although not 100% viewable, I could actually use the samsung in full sun.

I'd imagine they'll all start pouring in the next few days as it just dropped Today, very glad to have picked this up, Sorry HTC, maybe this winter. (You can flip these things on ebay and make more than what you originally paid so yeah) Phone Recycle is pretty easy
[Captivate Android Development] Muhamadabdelaall:
Wow, that much Desire is alot worse than the Captivate!! I was debating which one should I order (telstra Desire of course) but after I read your comment I made up my mind!
[Captivate Android Development] BA_Flash_GOD:
YEs check it out

just for a quick show, here you go, an N1 compared and benchmarked somewhat to show a comparison of CPU/GPU power on both.. N1 can't even run it hah. I was skeptical until I went and used one, had to get it. Get mine tomorrow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cl4p5JI0-gQ

just shows the difference between the two as well... as well the Captivate is cheaper hands down
[Captivate Android Development] derek4484:
Well the size of att customer base certainly is larger than tmobile. But I think if you're on att and you have a smartphone for the most part you have a blackberry or iphone. This is the first real android phone to come to att. I'm thinking its going to take a while for att to build up a large loyal android fan base.

Captivate and Vibrant, one is not better than the other, they are equal, only difference is in the shape of the case.

Pricing is no different either, 199 on contract, 499 off contract.
[Captivate Android Development] hansalvato:
ditto man seriosly there seems to be a TON of noobs because AT&T has never had a real android phone where as tmobile has the phone with the largest communitys(nexus,G1,mytouch) =less noobs i myself have been with android since day one. infact systoxity seems like a noob already by not researching any of the facts that clearly show that TMO is better for android than AT&T
[Captivate Android Development] BA_Flash_GOD:
Says who? Hah obviously SPRINT would be by FAR the best choice if that is how you want to word it. They have only digi 4G network and the best Droid phones by far. Samsung EPIC 4G? EVO ring a bell? HAH! It's there to see... AT&T doesn't tell their reps or customers jack sheet untilt he phone is out. Sprint has their devices out and available to use before purchase. AT&T is just butt buddies with APPLE. The days of Apple dictatorships on AT&T are done (or they wouldn't have picked up the Captivate which is on par with the iphone 4) I'd say AT&T stepped up for once, now everyone is happy with a super device.
[Captivate Android Development] shaneaus:
The Android Devs are ALMOST ALL GOING TO BE USING THE VIBRANT!

WHY?

Because T-mobile has less expensive service (and crappier - but, that isn't the point here) AND MOST IMPORTANTLY:

T-mobile came out with the G1 and had the ONLY Android phone around for about a YEAR!!

So, the people really interested in Android.... Went to T-mobile. And, they are still there. WHY?

Take a look at our software - we have no true FM radio - just the pay as you go ATT CRAPPY one! The Vibrant has a REAL FM TUNER. I put it on my phone but, I think the Captivate is missing some drivers - so, doesn't work yet. AND, WHAT A LOAD OF CRAPWARE ON THE ATT Captivate!

So, happy to root it and remove it!

Yes, we'll be hanging on the Vibrant developers shirt tails for awhile.
[Captivate Android Development] hansalvato:
sprint is good to its just with tmo there cheaper,better CS,and tmo is the fastest network with hspa+,and their home to the most important devs(ie:cyanogen)
[Captivate Android Development] carlo0810:
The vibrant is faster than a desire? Hmm.. how come people here in the forums are complaining of it lagging? And the lack of a flash is a deal breaker for me, wanted to.get one as a second phone, but decided not to coz of the reported lag and lack of flash
[Captivate Android Development] GenesysLV:
I have a N1 and just bought my wife a Captivate.

Some observations:

1. The captivate isn't laggy if you switch launchers. I also think this is a general Galaxy-S issue that can be resolved by editing a file. (Search Modaco).

2. The screen is just gorgeous.

3. It does come with Flash Lite. Same as desire pre Froyo.
[Captivate Android Development] jasonyump:
Ill be getting a captivate in a couple of weeks and will work on roms for it. The aria is my first android device and we've got some good development going with it. Im going to get a system dump of the captivate later tonight and look through it. Ill see if i can get some roms ported for you guys soon.
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] cmstlist:
There are various mentions of a "memhack" to apply to the Milestone which apparently frees up some RAM. It also apparently can cause problems when flashing a different SBF.

Could someone help me out here by clarifying exactly what the memhack does and what are the circumstances under which it can cause problems?
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] cmstlist:
Looks like this never got an answer, but now I'm seeing that some of the custom nandroid backups here make reference to using memhack. Could someone help me clarify this? I find a lot of Google hits but no explanations except in German... and it doesn't translate very well.
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] leobg:
memhack does not free RAM but storage space. It simply moves the cache partition so you get more space for installing apps. As long as you wipe everything when restoring different nandroid backups, I don't think you can really have any issues. Also I don't really think it can affect your ability to flash SBF's. Maybe OTA updates could only be affected as cache gets moved where OTA upgrades are supposed to be downloaded and unpacked.
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] dsixda:
If you open the script, if I recall correctly, it tries to move the dalvik-cache from the system partition to the cache partition, thus saving you space on the system partition.
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] somethingdope:
i believe the latest version of apps2sd does this automatically ? i've got apps, apps-private and dalvik-cache on my sd card now...
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] dsixda:
Yeah, if you have apps2sd you don't need to apply memhack. In fact, it might mess up your device since the symbolic links for dalvik-cache should be pointing to the SD card, not the cache partition.
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] cmstlist:
Thanks for clarifying. I'm starting to run low on app space on my Milestone but I'm not keen to use the apps2sd hack as I've heard it can cause all sorts of trouble. Not impressed that official Froyo is so far away.
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] dsixda:
It's really not that hard once you understand how all of these things work. "Memhack" is too 'scary' a name for a simple thing.
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] Dexter_nlb:
this is not correct.. its actually a worst case scenario, and /dalvik-cache should only be on sdcard, when you're a apps hungry person that cannot work with 100MB free for the purpose..

current disadvantages on milestone for using dalvik on sdcard;

- unstable and slow ext2 kernel module..

- lacks direct io support

- slows phone if sdcard is class2 only.

- no support for wipe of /dalvik-cache folders with any current recovery.

- not a solution if no sdcard is present or paritioned correctly.

(suddenly /data is full?)

Advantage over sdcard pointers for dalvik are;

- faster seek times

- faster loading

- easier cleanup if required when switching roms

- still works even without sdcard inserted.

but if people dont care or know the consequences of their changes, they just accept.
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] dsixda:
I actually didn't experience any performance gain or loss when moving my dalvik cache to my Class 6 card. I also have no need to remove my SD card. Of course most people should be aware that moving anything to SD requires at least a Class 6 (usually) if you want any kind of performance.
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] Ok_Kaleidoscope5109:
Classes don't mean much for SD cards. They do to an extent, but in the end you really need to rely on benchmarks.

Class simply means minimum speed. A Class 6 card could run as slow as 6 MB/sec or go as fast as 20 MB/sec. Not sure.

I have a Sandisk Class 4 8gb microSDHC card. I saw the 16gb benched at 15MB/sec or so. I can hit 18-19MB/sec on mine.

This is considerably faster than the 16gb Class 2 that my Milestone shipped with. It's also considerably faster than the 16gb Class 6 Transcend I wanted to get. But remember my Class 4 promises 4 MB/sec transfers. These speed tests I've done are pretty darn fast.

Another example is my Class 6 Transcend 16gb SDHC (not micro) for my Canon Rebel camera. I benched it around 8.9 MB/sec. That's within Class 6 limits, but presumably my Class 4 8gb microSDHC Sandisk mounted on an adapter should do even better fine if I was able to bench it at 18 MB/sec on my computer....

So it's hard to say. If a Class 2 is really Class 2 at its minimum 2mb/sec, that's a pretty darn slow card.
[Motorola Milestone Android Development] cmstlist:
Ok well I was getting close to that 20 MB "low memory" threshold so I memhacked using GOT OpenRecovery 1.04a. Nandroid backup first of course. Available space has skyrocketed to 91 MB! Sweet.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] TNS201:
UPDATE, you will have market issues, some apps will not show up. For a fix see this post:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=728451&highlight=market+ota

dinc_ota.zip

Put the file from mediafire.com on your SDCARD as update.zip

If rooted, you have to RUU your phone back to stock. Download the image from the link below, put on root of SDCARD and then boot into bootloader(powerdown, hold power and optical button in) then go to bootloader, then it should load the img and then apply it.

http://www.mediafire.com/?yum40znzwmmmtyl

Boot back to your phone and apply the first OTA update we got. If you dont do this, you might get errors trying to install the new update.

Then go to STOCK recovery.

Apply update.zip

Reboot, then activate.

Then follow this:

(Mine got stuck on rebooting phone, I just unplugged my phone and then plugged it back in again really fast again, it seemed to work like normal just starting the UnrEVOked 3.0 with phone hooked up)

UnrEVOked v3.0 Is Out - ROOT NO LONGER REQUIRED + NEW CLOCKWORK 2.5!!! - xda-developers

Then one final step for now to install root again really easy.

Download this

http://www.unrevoked.com/incredible/payload-update.zip

Put it on your SD card, then reboot into clockwork recovery

Go to install zip from SD-Card

Choose the payload-update.zip

You have root again and busybox is installed.

Some reason UnrEVOked 3.0 didnt reroot my phone but doing the steps above will have you with the latest update and 2.0 radio with 100% working root and working 720p video.

Picture proof it works, drocapped the pic, so you know root is all good.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] jdmba:
Cool

This sounds really dangerous to me and while I appreciate the warnings, those warnings show pretty bad consequences. I think I will wait until unrEVOked simply provides a root-safe version of the OTA.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] JTCGiants56:
Can't wait to try this when I get home.. nice work
[Droid Incredible Android Development] TNS201:
Yea someone posted the leak file here, I thought I messed up at first because root wasn't on my phone! Then I figured it out so I figured I would post how to easily get root back on.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] scuccia:
READ ME

Everyone should know that if you apply this update and VZW changes the radio in the official then you probably won't be able to upgrade your radio to it.

Also if you do this you will not be able to revert back to stock until a new RUU is released, and the problem with a new RUU is that they may close all known root methods. If you try with any current RUU's you will get a "Main version is older" error.

The radio is very good and 720p will work but everyone should know this might prevent future radio updates.

Please update your original post with this information.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Spiteful Monkey:
Might hurt you in the end

If the official radio version ends up being like 1.7 or 1.9 everyone who did this will be screwed correct? There is no way to reverse this once you have flashed the leaked radio. :eek:

EDIT: Haha ^^^^^^ you beat me to it by 2 minutes
[Droid Incredible Android Development] scuccia:
Its not even just that. The update was a radio.diff file not a radio.img. I'm not 100% sure but I'm guessing that it just makes modifications to your radio, and not replace it.

If they make changes to the radio.diff it may not be able to make the proper changes to our radio because we are running a leaked version that already has changes in it.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] shoman24v:
Wonder if the update can be dismantled and only have the 720p added to the phones?
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Joe92T:
People should be able to get the stock recovery .zip, out of sone of these stock ruus so that wiping its not necessary... Redoing your entire phone is a pita... Much easier if someone can isolate the stock recovery file without messing with the data partition

Sent from my HTC Incredible using the XDA App
[Droid Incredible Android Development] scuccia:
A few have tried (including myself) and 720P doesn't work without the radio. It will show in the camcorder and you can select it, but if you try and record it will reboot on you.

I'll keep trying but it seems impossible to have 720P recording without the radio.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] ghostrida:
OP. unrevoked will root your phone for you. i'm guessing you're on windows. those extra steps are not necessary on linux or os x.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] lentm:
thank you for your info!

i didnt know i have to install payload-update.zip......
[Droid Incredible Android Development] thatdudebutch:
So basically we should just wait? All this is giving us right now is the 720p right??
[Droid Incredible Android Development] qmartman711:
it should also push out a new bootscreen animation and install mobile hotspot (haha..we already have wireless tether..) rumor is also that swype now comes into play as well.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Cronus1995:
So if I'm reading this right you're saying there's a chance that you could never receive another OTA update?
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Seagrizzly:
I guess I will just wait until tomorrow when the OTA is released to make sure future upgrades work.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] ezy1022:
can someone who does this ota and then roots their phone make a nandroid of it stock...i think i may have messed something up real bad and i cant get it to stop boot looping...
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Imaulle:
I'm trying to RUU but it can't find the file? what am I doing wrong :(
[Droid Incredible Android Development] daftlush:
Tomorrow? Did I miss something?
[Droid Incredible Android Development] Nathanjb7:
im seriously debating unrooting my phone before the OTA hits...
[Droid Incredible Android Development] yankeeboy73:
Question for you. I applied the update according to the instructions. I now have 720p, the WiFi application, etc....

there are 3 major issues though -

Camera & Camcorder show no image - black screen

WiFi is "Unable to Start WiFi"

Baseband version still shows as 1.00.03.04.06

Kernel Version 2.6.29-cc1c2268 (htc-kernel@and18-2 #1)

Build Number 1.36.605.0 CL203589 release-keys

Software Number 1.36.605.0

PRI Verison 1.28_002

PRL Version 51920

ERI Version 5

I am going to hold back on my compulsive behavior and wait for a reply because of your notes on re-applying the update and I not really looking forward to creating a paperweight on a Sunday morning.

Any assistance would be much appreicated. I should be back online at 4PM EST
[Droid Incredible Android Development] adrynalyne:
Sounds like you tried applying it while still rooted and using clockwork.

Would I be correct in that assumption?
[Droid Incredible Android Development] adrynalyne:
Sorry, I would have warned you, but I only saw one other case of someone doing this and didn't put two and two together till I saw your post. Unfortunately in cases like this, there will be casualties before someone sees a problem.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] yankeeboy73:
I followed the directions to apply the RUU update and so on...after I did that, I had no applications and that HTC zoom box was on the screen, just like out of the box.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] adrynalyne:
How many times did it reboot during the install of the ota leak?
[Droid Incredible Android Development] yankeeboy73:
Once, droid eye was frozen for like 3 minutes

App
[Droid Incredible Android Development] g00s3y:
well some times the light would just blink and i couldn't do anything with it at all. I let it sit for about 30 mins and then tried again and it worked, sorry to hear yours it totally gone...
[Droid Incredible Android Development] g00s3y:
did you install a hydra kernel? i noticed when i did that my camera wouldn't work anymore.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] adrynalyne:
The poster already attached a screencap that showed the radio did not flash.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] JustinD2473:
I installed a hydra kernel and my camera is also broken.

I'm going to start over with a clean install today and see what's up.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] yankeeboy73:
I did not install a hydra kernel at all
[Droid Incredible Android Development] kbnguy:
DO NOT INSTALL HYDRA KERNEL

See this post.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] immjg:
No problem, stuff happens. I saw that someone else had mentioned they were having some problems and re-installed, but maybe they rolled back with an RUU first before re-installing the update. It wouldn't roll back with the PB31IMG. So I just re-did the update.zip Live and learn.

I just hope everyone realizes that they can only load this one time.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] adrynalyne:
I *think* this brick problem is the same one the Evo had a while back when they yanked the update?
[Droid Incredible Android Development] JustinD2473:
sounds about right since the problem there was people accepting the update twice on their evo, correct ?
[Droid Incredible Android Development] adrynalyne:
Thats what I understand, yes.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] johndoe1980:
This leaked OTA update does not however fix the battery charging bug. I can still charge my DInc some more after reaching 100% while phone is ON & then turning it OFF.

Can someone else confirm ?

Thanks
[Droid Incredible Android Development] adrynalyne:
I can confirm that. The phone charges way too fast while it is on to be accurate.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] yankeeboy73:
@adrynalyne

Do you have any advice on what I can do to reverse this?

If I were to flash the RUU update posted in the first post would it should revert back to the original image? If I flash back, what method would you suggest?

The other thing I noticed is that on the Google NAV, its keeps saying Locating GPS Satellites or when I open Maps, the little GPS satellite icon never comes on.

I am back home now, any advice is much appreciated.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] adrynalyne:
If you want to undo what you have done, right now this is the best way:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=727263
[Droid Incredible Android Development] yankeeboy73:
That worked, thank you. Back to beginning, applied update - have all the updated features, new radio baseband, and all is working the way it should. I guess I didnt roll all the way back to the RUU, not sure what happened. Thanks for your help
[Droid Incredible Android Development] inittowinit:
I'm having the same problems. No wifi and no camcorder. Let me know if you guys figure this out. My wifi just days unable to start and the camcorder screen us just black. It did show the 720p option. Please help.
[Droid Incredible Android Development] yankeeboy73:
I had the same issue, I was on Clockwork Mod beforehand, and my rollback to stock apparently didnt stick before I applied the update. I re-did the RUU, everything was stock, and applied the update. All is good for me now...however, there were some warnings about applying twice so please dont take my word for it
[Droid Incredible Android Development] gadget!:
It seems like this is happenning more and more.

I posted a few pages back that I had the same problems.

I started over from the beginning...

Re-flash the original image file and then re-apply the ota update.

CAUTION!

Do not try applying the update without flashing back to the original RUU.

Apparently there have been some bricked phones by doing this.