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[EVO 4G General] mwielgosz:
You don't have to believe me but I have absolutely no reason to lie to you.

I can WiFi tether through a WiMAX connection. The speeds I get are roughly half of what I would normally get through USB tether or on my phone itself, but it's definitely connected to WiMAX.

Think about this.

When you connecto to WiMAX, your phone drops the 3G internet connection while keeping the voice connection. If you were tethered while this happened, wouldn't you loose all connection?

Honestly, it's not a big deal to me if you don't believe me. Granted, the speeds aren't the full bandwidth that WiMAX supports, but I know for 100% fact that when I'm connected to WiMAX, I can WiFi tether over it.

If you really need proof that this works on my setup, I will tether over WiMAX here in a minute and post screenshots of my phone and computer. You'll see that while tethered, I get download speeds anywhere from 300-600kB/s and upload speeds of 100-150kB/s

Normally, I'll download about double those speeds, which is why IMO, WiMAX tethering over WiFi is far inferior to USB tethering ATM. If you're point here is that WiMAX speeds are reduced through WiFi tethering, then I'm sorry that I misinterpreted you...because you're 100% spot on with that.
[EVO 4G General] fmedina2:
I'm actually tethered to my EVO on 4G while I am posting this. I never realized this was something special or that some people were not able to do this. :confused:
[EVO 4G General] p-slim:
Do a line speed test on your computer now
[EVO 4G General] Redneck Trash:
The Xoom isn't yet capable of 4G. That's why in a few months you'll have to send it back to Motorola so the can install the radios.
[EVO 4G General] fmedina2:
~1000 Down, ~500 Up.
[EVO 4G General] p-slim:
I get this also, that's not 4g speeds
[EVO 4G General] ageesm:
Doesn't matter for the purposes of this argument, he is connected to 4g.

Might I remind you...
[EVO 4G General] ghearn18:
Switched from rc2 back to rc1 because 2 seemed buggy during calls etc but did like the 4g while visiting St louis
[EVO 4G General] p-slim:
Dude I was 100% right. Yeah you can connect and tether but his speeds are 3G speeds. If you took my argument any other way then my bad and I'm obviously wrong with your argument
[EVO 4G General] ageesm:
I have seen speeds faster than 3G, and somewhat respectable for 4G, but not full bandwidth before ;). I said a few times it is well-known that speeds fluctuate...

I sincerely apologize if I misunderstood your argument, as it seems we all did. I said early on we appear to be arguing semantics, which we kind of were, but you said a handful of times that there is NO 4G tethering.
[EVO 4G General] mwielgosz:
I think it's fair to say that most people here took your argument the wrong way. You stated that one cannot tether over WiMAX, at least that's what I read.

There is a bug somehwere in CM that causes this...it's not that you can't WiFi tether over WiMAX, it's just that it doesn't use the full potential bandwidth.

Still, the speeds have always been better than 3G for me in my area, and when I need to use WiFi tether, I always turn on WiMAX anyways.

Now that that's said and done...
[EVO 4G General] oddlou:
What qualifies as 4g speeds? I got over 2000 down on my wife's lg optimus inside my house, which has relatively poor 4g reception.

http://db.tt/3qlyWCV
[EVO 4G General] mwielgosz:
well, if you want to get technical, true 4G isn't available to anyone and the protocols are still being developed:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G

Pre-4G technologies such as mobile WiMAX and first-release 3G Long term evolution (LTE) have been on the market since 2006[2] and 2009[3][4][5] respectively, and are often branded as 4G. The current versions of these technologies did not fulfill the original ITU-R requirements of data rates approximately up to 1 Gbit/s for 4G systems. Marketing materials use 4G as a description for Mobile-WiMAX and LTE in their current forms.

IMT-Advanced compliant versions of the above two standards are under development and called “LTE Advanced” and “WirelessMAN-Advanced” respectively. ITU has decided that “LTE Advanced” and “WirelessMAN-Advanced” should be accorded the official designation of IMT-Advanced. On December 6, 2010, ITU announced that current versions of LTE, WiMax and other evolved 3G technologies that do not fulfill "IMT-Advanced" requirements could be considered "4G", provided they represent forerunners to IMT-Advanced and "a substantial level of improvement in performance and capabilities with respect to the initial third generation systems now deployed."

Not to get off topic or anything lol

Sorry guys

Anyways,

WiMAX speeds should range somewhere between 800-1200 kB/s for download speed and are capped somewhere around 100-150kB/s

Of course, this is all due to throttling as the network can support much higher speeds.
[EVO 4G General] :
someone who admits his argument was poorly worded yet claims to be 100% right... hilarious
[EVO 4G General] oddlou:
Haha, i knew all that, i was asking p slim, since he is the person saying it's not possible. I know it never got anywhere near 2000 on 3g.
[EVO 4G General] mdubs:
Everyone can calm down for a bit... 21 is up :D
[EVO 4G General] cheapskate88:
Oh p-slim...

I specifically purchased the Evo back in July so I could drop my cable bill and get 4g speeds through wireless tether (first with the Android Wifi Tether app on sense and now with native AOSP tether). 4g speeds vary widely but I never get anything less than 3 mbps on my PC while WIRELESSLY tethered to my phone. Usually I get around 4-6 mbps. If that's not 4g than I don't know what is. Those are clearly not 3g speeds...

No one is lying to you, p-slim. The majority of us are able to use the 4g radio to get speeds not possible on 3g while tethered wirelessly.

From my CM powered Evo
[EVO 4G General] DarkAudit:
Did I blink and miss 20? :)
[EVO 4G General] ageesm:
4G (any 'Gs' really) for all intents and purposes, has been turned into a marketing term. Certainly still matters within the industry (and to us?) but not to the average Joe.

Cue the 6G super bowl commercial...
[EVO 4G General] p-slim:
This was my very first argument, where in the world does it say anything about not being able to connect. I specifically state can't tether 3g and 4g speeds then you guys started challenging me. I get 6 -8mbps while on 4g, if tethering is working correctly I will get nearly those same speeds on the device I'm tethering to.
[EVO 4G General] davenukem:
4g disconnect bug squashed yet? Team win refuses to respond to my tweets so I have to come here. Anybody have any updates?
[EVO 4G General] ageesm:
I am honestly not quoting these to argue, just to show where we got your position from. I don't mean any malice whatsoever...

This one mentions speed, but you still said it is not possible in caps.
[EVO 4G General] p-slim:
I was always talking about speeds since I started that way and thought everyone knew they couldn't tether 4g speeds wirelessly, but didn't think I needed to keep writing speeds everytime. Also tethering 4g speeds is possible with a wired connection and while wireless tethering with your 4g connected will only yield 3g speeds.
[EVO 4G General] ageesm:
A wired connection will, in general, give you faster or full bandwidth 4G speeds, but wireless tethering for many people, as posted numerous times here, still can be faster than 3G. I have continued to agree that it is still an issue (not getting full 4G speeds) and the devs of wireless tether are aware of it.

You can choose to believe it or not, all you can go by is your own experience and what you choose to believe of others...
[EVO 4G General] tranquilchaos:
The first 3 commands:

./adb shell mount -o remount,rw /dev/block/mtdblock4 /system

./adb shell rm /system/app/GoogleQuickSearchBox.apk

./adb shell rm /system/app/VoiceSearch.apk

it said "No such file or directory"....can this be because they're on my sdcard?

Is that normal..? cause if it was, I wouldn't know ;)

EDIT: I tried it without ./adb shell (as I was advised in the above post) and when I enter the code w/o it, I get "command not known" or something like that.
[EVO 4G General] bar3m3tal:
Are you in the directory that contains the adb applications. ./ means current directory and in the MAC you must address the files with the directory to execute them.. otherwise you can run <path>/adb ....
[EVO 4G General] kris54241:
Depends what ur looking for...battery or performance
[EVO 4G General] p-slim:
I'm going to chill on rc2 for about a week, then I will probably start flashing nightlys again. If a major feature is incorporated into the nightlys earlier then I will definitely flash that
[EVO 4G General] gerald410:
I guess I asked for that lol

a week is a long time:)
[EVO 4G General] jblazea50:
I'm with you on this as well. Plan is to just stick with RC2 and not try to flash every night until the .34 kernel or 4G is incorporated.
[EVO 4G General] Negrito:
If you put your sdk folder where i suggested then this command:

cd /sdk/tools

first, then the previously listed instructions.
[EVO 4G General] runningwarrior08:
So I decided to stray away from CM6 and try out a few other roms for a couple days. Well I really like the torch app, so I went into the CM6 zip and went to install it and stopped.

The app has permission to do anything it wants to do on your phone.

personal info

services that cost you money

your messages

your location

netowrk communication

your accounts

storage

phone calls

hardware controls(expected)

system tools

that is a little too suspicious to me, and no I am not saying that Cyanogen is stealing our info but that this app should have a better look taken at it by Cyanogen.

Please if I am missing something point it out to me..
[EVO 4G General] MrDSL:
newest nightly up.
[EVO 4G General] gerald410:
Nightly is up!

beat me to it lol
[EVO 4G General] p-slim:
Fighting the urge to flash
[EVO 4G General] gerald410:
I've already given in! just making a backup now.
[EVO 4G General] tranquilchaos:
The folder is not titled sdk, it's titled "android-sdk-mac_86" and I've placed it on the root of my Home. It looks like this on my terminal:

Last login: Sun Aug 15 20:53:57 on ttys000

drew-s-macbook-pro:~ drewsky$ cd android-sdk-mac_86/tools

drew-s-macbook-pro:tools drewsky$ ./adb devices

List of devices attached

HT07ZHL03730	device

drew-s-macbook-pro:tools drewsky$

**It's here where I'm stumped...When I typed in the commands as the post with the instructions, I got back the "no such file or directory" error....so it would look like this after the 1st and 2nd commands:

Last login: Sun Aug 15 20:54:05 on ttys000

drew-s-macbook-pro:~ drewsky$ cd android-sdk-mac_86/tools

drew-s-macbook-pro:tools drewsky$ ./adb devices

List of devices attached

HT07ZHL03730	device

drew-s-macbook-pro:tools drewsky$ ./adb shell mount -o remount,rw /dev/block/mtdblock4 /system

drew-s-macbook-pro:tools drewsky$ ./adb shell rm /system/app/GoogleQuickSearchBox.apk

rm: can't remove '/system/app/GoogleQuickSearchBox.apk': No such file or directory

drew-s-macbook-pro:tools drewsky$

*Yes, I have both "voice search" and "google search" installed on my phone right now.
[EVO 4G General] p-slim:
more tranquilchaos personal time I see. i thought this was the nightly thread for a minute, you know where we discuss new features about the nightly. NOT how to root your phone or how to use adb for beginners.
[EVO 4G General] david279:
do "echo $PATH" in sdk/tools in terminal and you should be able to use all the sdk commands without having to go to that path first.
[EVO 4G General] p-slim:
i think i might flash the nightly, i just checked my fps on rc2 and its only 43average. I remember the first time the .32 kernal came out we were getting about 50
[EVO 4G General] RichTJ99:
I didnt know that. I thought you should wipe before flashing to make sure all the changes make it in?
[EVO 4G General] Mayonesa:
i always wipe.. i see it as a clean start.. doesnt take long to wipe either, i dont know why people always ask if they should wipe.
[EVO 4G General] spiicytuna:
Sooo out of anyone who flashed the newest nightly whatcha see/notice different?
[EVO 4G General] p-slim:
If you wipe, it sucks logging into everything. If you're going to use titanium backup to restore everything, then you might as well not wipe.
[EVO 4G General] p-slim:
Does my very first statement sound poorly worded or do you need to read it again? That's what I mean 100% right
[EVO 4G General] p-slim:
Yeah all the open threads with the same problem and also the random guy from earlier. You're right, that's all I can go by
[EVO 4G General] dkdude36:
nightly 21 is up. (nvm i see somebody last page posted this)

dloading and flashing (hopefully with savage zen .2 if mwielz gets the nosbc uploaded before i pass out) right from 18!
[EVO 4G General] cheapskate88:
Only yield 3g speeds??? You're wrong.

From my CM powered Evo
[EVO 4G General] p-slim:
If you can good for you, that doesn't help 99% of the other people who cant
[EVO 4G General] cheapskate88:
lol? 99%? Whatever, p-slim. I'm only responding because I'd rather not have you're colorful and exaggerated posts be the only point of reference on the matter.

From my CM powered Evo
[EVO 4G General] ageesm:
That is your original statement. (you clearly are talking about speeds, but later on is where we all jumped on the no-4G-tethering-at-all issue)

So wireless tether can connect by using the 4G connection, however your performance (along with other examples) shows speeds no better than 3G, thus leaving the option to use 4G while tethering, essentially, useless.

Myself and others in the thread have also witnessed a dip in performance while tethering over 4G, but not to the extent of dropping to 3G speeds. Therefore, using the 4G wirelessly tethered still yields better performance (by how much varies).

That is essentially where we are at, an argument over how much the performance decreases by using 4G to wirelessly tether. I would also argue that this is something that differs based on an absurd number of variables including, signal-strength, area, devices being used, etc etc etc. There is no usable data to back up any percentage of how prevalent this issue is/isn't so we are left to our own experiences and what we choose to believe.

SO, basically, we can agree that you can at least activate wireless tether by 4G, but we disagree on speeds and usage. Glad we got that all sorted out.
[EVO 4G General] CheesyNutz:
hows 21 running ?

gps ?

my new replacement should be here today .. i want back on CM7
[EVO 4G General] jamsterzak:
Lol.. per usual. . my setup on cm 7 /21 is working like a boss..

*Gps, hdmi,wimax ..efficiently working on my end
[EVO 4G General] twiz0r:
Lol...so many posts since I went to bed. And it was all arguing about 4g tethering lmao

I was excited that there were some major developments :(

swyped from my cyanogenized and gingerbreaded EVO
[EVO 4G General] edwardally:
It fixed GPS but vpn not working anymore
[EVO 4G General] fiddy619:
21 is running Solid for me gps is tracking and accurate didn't have to run any fix just came right up (and I actually skipped 19 cuz i couldn't it to even lock gps much less track using the ##gpsclrx# fix or the gps status fix).

Sent from my CeEvO
[EVO 4G General] True_Darknight:
Ironically 19 was the only one that allowed me to get GPS signal. I was ready to go back to 6.1.2. And now I will wait until at least RC3 to upgrade.
[EVO 4G General] spanglmd:
end this 4g argument in here, its cluttering the thread and its nothing but a huge pissing contest. take it somewhere else so i don't have to scroll through pages looking for relevant info.
[EVO 4G General] themassofthesun:
+1 thank you sir

Sent from my HTC EVO with cm7 using the XDA Premium App
[EVO 4G General] :
actually yes, all your posts are somewhat confusing to read. you mention the device you're "tethering to" which doesn't make any sense because you tether to a hotspots (your phone) not "to" your xoom or Xbox or whatever else. you also mention 100% impossibility which is now down to 99%. considering you said at least 30 people have this problem several posts ago and that's way less than 1% of sprint's subscriber base, you might want to stop assuming it's impossible. your repeated rude demands for screenshots are most likely not being met because people are annoyed at your tone.
[EVO 4G General] CheesyNutz:
+1 i agree take it to pm's

from my phone duh
[EVO 4G General] SolsticeZero:
+1,000,000

Seriously, guys, if you want to debate this ****, do it on IRC or something.

Anyways, flashing nightly 21 now. Excited!
[EVO 4G General] :
typical for this thread. someone makes a stupid claim or asks a question that has been answered, i and others rightfully flame said person, a few people start to complain even though the issue has not been resolved and falls under the topic of this generic thread, others jump in with +1, now cue shift to join in with a threat.
[EVO 4G General] jimbobtexas:
So, anyway...

I'm on nightly 21, SZ 0.2.0, and I see that there's a new Facebook update (1.5.2). It won't update (Package file was not signed correctly).

Anyone else have this experience? I can't imagine it's ROM-related, unless the app doesn't support GB, but that can't be the case...
[EVO 4G General] matt2053:
"rightfully flame" is an oxymoron. Flaming is never called for and is always against the rules here.
[EVO 4G General] dirkyd3rk:
Working and updated just fine for me dude I have the 1.5.2 apk if you want to try it again.

http://db.tt/yQfdmSr
[EVO 4G General] matt2053:
Dude are you sure you want the facebook update? Read through the market comments. It's been a disaster for me. I'm actually hoping someone has apk for the previous version!
[EVO 4G General] dirkyd3rk:
What's wrong with it, I feel like it works better lol. Maybe ill go through and read market comments. I guess I don't use it that much to notice bugs etc.
[EVO 4G General] matt2053:
I'll just say I sent about 6 force close reports to the FB devs within 5 minutes of updating, and many others seem to have had the same issue. FC, FC, FC. Scroll down the news feed, FC. Click on a picture, see a triangle! FC. Crazy.

Today it seems magically better after a battery pull, though.
[EVO 4G General] dirkyd3rk:
Same happened to me so I completely uninstalled and installed again no more FC. Works like a charm now lol.
[EVO 4G General] p-slim:
Maybe if I actually wanted to see a screenshot but that was rhetorical. I know if you have an evo or epic you can't tether 4G SPEEDS wirelessly (meaning above 3mbps) unless you have the hotspot feature on your account. I don't need to see your screen shots as there are already people who have already done this and posted numerous times. The fact that you actually think I need to see proof is beyond me. Once again a random guy came in the middle of the conversation and had a nice 4G signal and here are his 4g wireless tethering speeds. Not very 4G to me
[EVO 4G General] Kykiskly:
Screen

Is it my phone or is everyone's phone showing this?

See attached Screenshot.

Running build #19
[EVO 4G General] Rippley05:
Ok p-slim ... we get it. You're not budging.. great! Will you guys please stop forcing us to look through your BS posts that nobody cares about in order to find something worth reading..

Anyone having any issues with nightly 21? I'm still on nightly 14 and running savage with it... has been so good that I don't wanna update. I think I read that the savage kernel needs to be updated for the latest nightlies?
[EVO 4G General] xpanmanx:
Running 21. On the home screen, the notification bar drops down if I flick my finger anywhere on the screen. By design?
[EVO 4G General] ffolkes:
This looks to be related to the specialized dpi you're running. When I used to play with my dpi I'd get those all the time.
[EVO 4G General] Rippley05:
There are options in the ADW launcher that enables the pulldown by swiping on the screen. Are you talking about that or is it something different.
[EVO 4G General] JOEOZUNA4U:
im on 21 and so far so good but then again i didnt have a single problem on 19
[EVO 4G General] timtlm:
Sorry to bring up 4g wifi tether speeds, but I actually have some relevant information. Dees_Troy, a fellow xda member and team win test bot, has spent an extensive amount of time testing this. There are numerous reports all over the internet that 4g wifi tether speeds are slow, even on sense roms where people are actually paying the $30/mo. See here: http://community.sprint.com/baw/message/258437#258437

He tested the original Eclair rom where the hotspot feature wasn't locked to those on the $30/mo plan, and confirmed he was getting slow wifi tether speeds using the sprint hotspot app.

There were cases when he tested multiple devices connected and downloading at the same time, and one device started to get the full 4g tether speed, but once the other device was disconnected, the speed dropped.

He also found that if you set up a proxy using an app called filterproxy, that you can get around the capped 4g tether speeds. See here: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=11580191&postcount=5319

He also found that some computers do not get capped. He has tested several laptops and devices connected to wifi tether and has found that some laptops are not capped, and there is no consistent reason for why.

So, we really haven't figured out what causes this, but we know it is not specific to CM7. So, you should really start a new topic if you want to discuss this further.
[EVO 4G General] matt2053:
I tried that, after reinstalling I still got FC's. Oh well, seems to be working now after I swapped batteries this morning.
[EVO 4G General] p-slim:
I believe after 5 pages or so of arguing everyone will want to try it out sooner or later with a friends iphone or ipad just don't be shocked when your friends device wont go past 1mbps, that's all I'm saying.
[EVO 4G General] jimbobtexas:
Very nice of you, thanks! Unfortunately, I get the same result. Think I'll try to uninstall FB and reinstall, warts and all. I'll report back...
[EVO 4G General] timtlm:
Dude, did you not see my post, 2 above yours?
[EVO 4G General] jimbobtexas:
Ah, crap. It won't UNINSTALL, either! WTF?
[EVO 4G General] oddlou:
I got over 2mbps. I showed you a picture. Sucks that it doesn't work for you, but it works at least sometimes for some people.
[EVO 4G General] LancerEVA06:
For ****s and giggles I just connected 2 of my computers to my EVO using the built-in HotSpot feature of CM7 and sent a file from one to another. I got an average throughput of ~22Mbps. On my g router I average ~35Mbps. So yes. It is a Tad slower.
[EVO 4G General] jimbobtexas:
Crisis averted. Titanium backup for the delete, pulled battery, FB 1.5.2 installed just fine. Thanks for the help.
[EVO 4G General] p-slim:
Since when is 2 mbps 4G speeds. I get that speed sometimes also. If you do a line speedtest on your evo and get 6-7mbps and then start tethering and your computer shows 2mbps , you're not tethering 4G speeds man, those are 3G speeds. You're not saying anything new just keeping the same conversation rolling

I don't even understand what you mean by this. Don't make things so difficult and just do a line speed test
[EVO 4G General] timtlm:
I guess my posts are invisible to you.
[EVO 4G General] LancerEVA06:
I don't even understand what you mean by this. Don't make things so difficult and just do a line speed test

It was just a reference to speeds being slower on wireless. Some people get full speed, some people dont. It's hit or miss, like the GPS in CM7, but the phone is more than capable of letting at least 22Mbps go through.

As far as a line speed test. I dont trust those at all. There isn't 1 that is consistent. I have DOCSIS 3.0 105Mbps/20Mbps service... yet I'll get results of 5Mbps/8Mbps 1 test, then the next text from the same server, 88Mbps/800Kbps.