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[Captivate General] foxbat121:
It seems that the $200 no commitment price is only available for ppl who works (or worked) for AT&T. For rest of the non-AT&T premier accounts, we got $499 price.
[Captivate General] Ph8:
I was thinking that as well...ATT is probably giving a discount (at cost) sale to its emplloyees via the Premiere site......Id jsut like to see no commitment prices, instead of always seeing the upgrade pricing. Since im due for an upgrade thats all I ever see.
[Captivate General] tnerb123:
Amazon has Captivate for $89!

Looks like Amazon has the Captivate for $89.

wireless.amazon.com then add "/dp/B003TLMQG8" since I cant post links.
[Captivate General] Ph8:
I think its been way for a litle while now. THats for a new contract though, its 164 for an upgrade price.

Most people in this thread were looking for no contract prices.
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] Kshawn:
Mods go ahead and delete. I had another tab open in the wrong section when I searched.

Thanks to the MicDroid tho!
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] mrono:
change the name IMO
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] androidfan123:
App is sick
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] mrwright83:
What app can in I use to root my phone from my phone and I'm running stock 2.1 and I don't have I a computer, so any info will help thanks
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] one5:
You can't root just with an app. It involves flashing files to your phone ect. What phone do you have? some can't be rooted at all yet :( I could be wrong, but I think you have to use a computer to root.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] mrwright83:
I have a MOTO Droid and the app people using to root there phone from there is dm updater
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fanello123:
Hi,

is it possible to deactivate the remote of the headphones? I've already uninstalled HtcMusic, but I need to deactivate it completly, because I'm using a FM transmitter which tries to control my phone on that way and sometimes my phone makes I call although I do not want to call somebody.

Thanks
[Touch2 General] flywin:
I have to replace my broken digitizer.

I'm looking for instructions on how to dismantle the phone.

Any hints?

Thank you.
[Touch2 General] Frank C:
Here you go mate.....http://www.filecatch.com/?q=htc+mega+service+manual

Have not checked but should be in.....
[Windows Mobile] Stephen:
Hi have built an os kitchen using sense 2012 and os build 23569. I have noticed in the people tab, when I try to add one of my contact it allows me to click on the square, scroll through the contact but when I try to then select the number it doesn't do any thing.

I then press the back button and it puts the contact in the wrong square or not in at all.

Does any body have any ideas?

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[Click Accessories] :
Hey guys!

I was wondering what armband would fit my HTC Tattoo. Is there anyone who uses one? Or do you know which one would fit and is also good regarding protection and usability?

I searched for an armband but I did not find any satisfying results.

Thanks!

Vali
[HD2 General] drblow:
Here's the thing ... I have been using winmo smartphones since the first SPV hit the UK. I have always loved them for their customisability (did I make that word up?) ... customisingness ... you know what I mean :)

With forums like this for constant tweaks and themes and apps and all sorts, winmo has been great for me. With an HD2 and sense 2.5 custom roms my phone does nearly everything I want it to ... phone/net/messaging/camera/music player/weather/twitter etc etc, and it does it in a very pleasing eye-candy laden manner, one which is customised to exactly the way I like it and is easily changeable when I get bored of looking at the same wallpaper/icons/taskbar/softkeys etc etc, which inevitably happens every few minutes. ;)

Now, I know that winmo as an operating system sucks balls, but I am looking at the overall experience that I have with my phone - I gotta say that the HD2 is the fastest, most reliable phone I have ever used. The HTC sense stuff is probably the reason for most of it being good & looking nice.

So I find myself messing around with android, obviously which is noweher near finished, but you can get the general idea of it. Now, it looks very nice, and it seems to have some nice features ... but really, what is the main reason people want android so badly? I have looked around the android forums and seen that there are some custom roms & tweaks etc, but is it anywhere near as customisable as winmo?

Everyone seems so down on MS, and wondows 7 looks set to be another **** up, but look at the fun we have all had from winmo so far. Without the constant tweaking, customising, forum dwelling etc, I think a huge part of my mobile experience would disappear - the best part.

What do you guys think? Are there good reasons why android could be more fun than winmo in future? Does anybody still love their winmo experience ... even despite the actual winmo bits?

Let's talk. :)
[HD2 General] chuck232:
I think many users are looking at Android, because it straddles the line between ultimate customizability (WinMo) and a modern touch-enabled application-rich OS (iPhone). While many of the tweaks for WinMo are to change the UI to suit the user, a large number are also needed for the smooth operation of the devices, which some don't want to bother with, myself included at times.

WinMo is fine for me, because it provides me an acceptable level of Exchange integration, decent web browsing and email support. However, Android provides those as well, in a more consistent experience, without as much need to worry about random bugs that plague the otherwise decent experience.
[HD2 General] Likilik:
Hello Guys,

i am french.

i am using winmo since it starts. i have bought more than 20 phone devices.

actually i use the hd2 and i find it very great.

i see android also. i agree with you.

winmo is good because you can do everything or near with it.

but some great editors has decided not to continue dev on winmo like skype...

some great games also does not ported or developed on winmo like belote (french card game), sccrabble (in french), etc, and some great apps.

but i continue to say that winmo is great and with forum like here it grow everytime.

i hope that new devices like hd2, in future, winmo will find a place with a new terrible version.

there is a lot of things to say but the most important is that everyone have a prefered system and continue to compare them will permit to make a good choice.

thanks to xda... without you all, i don't know..
[HD2 General] drblow:
Yeah, I guess I am thinking of this in a purely selfish way. :) I imagine the part of the overall winmo ownership that bothers with all the tweaking is relatively small, so in the big picture I guess there are alot more people who rely on stock windows mobile roms that are lacking.

Is android that customisable? E.g can you edit icons on the programs list? Is it just a bit early and android will soon have all the tweaks that winmo currently has? I am hoping so because it is open source.
[HD2 General] drblow:
I agree with you about the developers. For a long time I thought that SBSH was the best software company around, but they abandoned their winmo apps in favour of iPone a long time ago and they lost pace with the htc sense/touchflo market and now their famous today apps are history, pretty much. Seems like many developers have/are abandoning winmo, looks from some reviews fo far that windows 7 will fail.
[HD2 General] Beefheart:
The key is that Windows Mobile as we know it is about to die a death - there is no support for it any more from either Microsoft or application makers. And from what we have read of the upcoming WM 7, Microsoft seem to have taken a leaf out of Apple's book in that it takes away a lot of the control from the user and is a whole lot less customizable, which is the main feature that appeals to the current WM user base. As such I strongly suspect WM 7's life cycle is going to be short as it seems to me it hasn't really got a target audience - people who want an easy ride and have their hand held buy an iPhone while people who want more control buy an Android device. Who is going to buy a WM7 device? Certainly not the current WM users as the differences are such that there is effectively no similarities beyond the name.

Android is by far the best operating system available on a phone in my opinion. It has the advantage of ease of use along with being highly customizable, the best of both worlds so to speak. It's support is increasing all the time (there are more Android devices than iPhones now) and with Google's muscle it's going to go from strength to strength.
[HD2 General] KowboyBebop:
Pretty much what everybody said. Mainly Pagnell made good point.

Let me make my little point too.

The thing why many wants ANDROID (including me, now that I have tried it) is that because Winmo remained the same for a long time. It's basic architecture and overall experience is aimed at older less powerful devise. I use my phone for entertainment and web browsing. The web expericence (opera 10) is imho the best of Handheld OSs, but entertainment lacks a lot. There are only few good looking games. There are even fewer which uses new technology as G-sensor. And multitouch is totally messed up because of the HTC.

So the main problem is, that Winmo aplications (and system as a whole) is aimed for larger scale of phones and in that sense doesnt provide good applications for the newest models (like HD2). Only Great entertainment app for WinMo that can stress HD2 is FPSEce which is also my best reason to stay with Winmo =)
[HD2 General] otacon:
The main reason why I stayed with WinMo is the ability to install applications to memory card... can't do that with the Android...

WinMo is not as bad as you think... check out the link:

http://jkontherun.com/2009/11/23/windows-mobile-vs-android-winmo-is-better-than-you-think/
[HD2 General] drblow:
I agree entirely. I think it's a shame what seems to be happening to winmo - I don't know how much credibility the forum-user community has ever had in the mobile devices world, but for me as a user it has been an exciting experience from day 1. My mobile experience has been interlinked with forums & customisation since day 1 and it has involved sharing a great deal with a great deal of people on the web. I have/do enjoy it as a part of the experience.

If android takes over as the place to be for all the fun of customising then so be it. MS should hang their heads in shame for allowing winmo to die off, but it has been fun.

:D
[HD2 General] bentez2003:
You can with Froyo 2.2
[HD2 General] eenbox:
I hate the only thing about Android that is really pain in the a$ - transition effects are LOUSY ... not comperable to iPhone and that is the biggest flaw of Andorid. Even WinMo Sense has better transition than Android... Tried EVO and X - LOUSY CHOPPY transition effects and not comparable not only to iPhone but not comparable to WinMo as well.
[HD2 General] ayhansan:
Moving from WinMo to Android, I realised that there is no equivalent of ActiveSync (or WMDC) for direct synchronisation to Outlook on the desktop. I prefer to keep my PIM info to myself and not rely on the cloud based services Google is encouraging.

Is there an Android equivalent?
[HD2 General] polo735:
Each system has its own benefits and drawbacks. With WM I can use offline gps maps with igo or tom tom, I can get great idle battery life, great outlook sync and several UI options with sense(max, cookie) or SPB Shell. Android is more sophisticated under the hood, looks and feels more smooth, has a great app market and is actively being developed and updated.

Having both of these on the HD2 is something other smartphone users will never have the opportunity to have.

I'm also tired of android and iphone users killing windows mobile. Most of them have never used it and aren't aware how well it can run. WM takes a little effort to get a custom rom and good software but its still a good system.
[HD2 General] drblow:
Indeed! Having both winmo & android on an hd2 seems an appropriate pay off for years of supporting mobile development on forums. :p

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Sent via the XDA Tapatalk App (on an android build on my hd2 - suck on that iPhart! :)
[HD2 General] nrfitchett4:
which runs on exactly how many devices??? (without rooting and running a custom ROM)
[HD2 General] mustang_3kgt:
I really don't know why you guys say that winmo is more costumizable than android. I own a tmobile g1, nexus one, an HD2 and have owned other winmo phones and I can honestly tell you that android is as costumizable or more than winmo. IMO Android is superior in almost everything than winmo. Really the only reason I bought the HD2 was for the screen. I had never owned a phone with such a huge screen :D. You can't compare winmo to android port for HD2 since it is nowhere near finished. Just look at the G1/Dream forum, there are ALOT of roms, mods, themes, apps and tweaks for it even though it was the first android phone ever and has been left behind by much better and newer android phones. I'm a power user with my phones (even take it when going to restroom lol) and even though I love the HD2 hardware I can't leave android. I guess everyone gets used to a certain OS and it depends alot on a user's needs but I'm just giving you MY opinion and by a means I respect everyone else's opinion. :o
[HD2 General] zarathustrax:
Right now, WinMo is way more customizable than android. Most android users that say android is as customizable don't even realize everything that is changeable and skinnable and customizable on winmo. Pretty much EVERYTHING on WinMo can be changed to look and act the way you want. It takes a lot of work and time and playing around to do it and get it working good, though.

WinMo is the most versatile mobile os available right now, imo. The main issue is that support and developers for it are coming to an end. It was always aimed more at business and power users and was never made user friendly enough and never advertised enough for the average phone user. WinMo was originally designed as a pocket pc os, then when phones and pocket pcs converged, phone functions were added to winmo. Android was designed as a phone os to begin with, and are adding more functionality as its developed, so its a lot more user friendly and understandable to the average phone consumer. Android is catching up in its versatility and functionality as it developed, and will one day be more functional than winmo, i'm sure. But WinMo is a great os to power users, business users, and people who know it well, and it will be a while before android matches it's versatility. I know many android fans will argue that, but I've used winmo for 8 years and android for more than 2 years... and I love them both... but I would pick winmo over android right now. In a year, I may change my mind as android is constantly being developed and has a LOT of apps, while WinMo is dying.

But the great thing with the HD2 and most current winmo devices is that we can run android also... so when I need to run a specific android app or just want to play around with android, I can quickly boot into it. You can't boot into winmo with android devices. I think I will be using my HD2 for a long time, as it's going to be probably the greatest winmo device ever made, and I'll be able to use android... and the way the devs are developing android on the HD2, I think it will actually be close to as functional as a native android device a lot sooner than I thought it would be. It's being developed quicker than any previous android port to a winmo device in the past.
[HD2 General] hazard99:
As a avid android supporter and a owner of an hd2 I really like having both windows mobile and android.

with the recent port of Android to the hd2 I am happy to have my widgets back .

A lot of what I missed about android was its skinned interface. Sure windows is skinned but when you by pass sense you end up seeing the ugly windows ce look.

It drives me batty.

Also windows is dying. It is getting hard

er and harder to find apps. Those apps also dont get updated either.

I have no interest in windows mobile 7

And I had it with the iphone and any other apple products.

btw android is just as customizable as windows mobile. Much in the say ways .. atleast in my opinion
[HD2 General] Rurph:
I would agree with mustang_3kgt, it also baffles me when people argue to get hd2 or to stick to it because it is very customisable since it is based on WinMo. I use my hd2 since february and i agree that it is customisable and it is pretty easy once you know what you are doing. But customisability of a phone in my opinion should not be measured by the mere ability to customise every single bit, but by the existing possibilities to customise. what i mean for instance is the number of themes available for hd2/sense 2.5. as far as i know there are just 4 themes: GTX, Fallout, Buuf and Anastasia, thats it. yesterday i checked nexus 1's forum and on the first page i bumped into 5 good looking themes. i know you would say you have winmo and customise your phone in a way you want to, but not every user has the necessary design skills.

as it has already been said, winmo is a dying platform, android in a hardware like hd2 (4.3 inches screen) is the future :)
[HD2 General] johnboatcat:
What is all this winmo is dead and abandoned stuff?

There is as much or more activity on this forum for WinMo as there was a year ago.

There are many more websites and forums devoted to WinMo and WinMo apps than there was a year ago.

There are two new WinMo marketplace sites under active development.

Microsoft just released Office Mobile 2010 and gave it to their 6.5 customers. Is that abandonment? Phones are still being sold with WinMo on them new.

There are not as many WinMo apps, but does there need to be? When did quantity, not quality, become the better parameter?

All you have to do is mention a need for an app on these forums and if it seems worthwhile a team jumps on it and develops it.

With WinMo there are almost as many themes as phones. It is so customizable that everyone can have their own amazing theme.

What did the man say? "The reports of my demise have been greatly exaggerated!"
[HD2 General] zarathustrax:
4 themes??? are you insane? Maybe there are only 4 really popular themes in the HD2 section.... but there are thousands of themes throughout winmo forums that can be found, not to mention the many theme maker programs, etc. And themes are not the only way to customize... look at all the stuff you can do with spb mobile shell, or the dozens of similar shells and apps... or look at touchxperience which will hopefully be out soon, etc. I can go on for pages. Yeah, android has plenty of themes, but I don't see many apps that can completely change the way the homescreens look and act... I don't see shells that can make your homescrren like a rubiks cube with several sections that can be scrolled seperately... I can't even describe all the things available that you can do with different winmo shell apps. Pretty much anything you can think of is possible... not just changing icons or themes out for other ones. Look at Sense... that is a shell which changes how winmo looks. .. Well there are dozens of similar shells that are customizable in many ways if you look. On android, I see a few shells made by phone manufacturers, but none as customizable as the many you can find for winmo. And its not hard to write your own if you know coding. Thats why people can make winmo look and act like an iphone, or look and act like android, or look and act like winphone7, or winxp, etc, etc.
[HD2 General] johnboatcat:
I think the Android fanboy just called me ignorant!

I am too ignorant to really know for sure, but then I am not an intern in the UK.

Maybe when I grow up and can become an intern, I will understand all this and not be ignorant any more. Yea!
[HD2 General] SiL3nTKiLL:
i love andriod wayyyy better
[HD2 General] drblow:
lol flame war! :)

OK, calm down, calm down ... glad to see the passion there. This has been an interesting thread already, and has led me personally to check the customisations available for android in more detail, and it certainly seems that any fears have been reduced regarding customisation. I think I will always have a bit of love for winmo, and I totally identify with the need to constantly tinker with my phone. I hope android is indeed the future!

I am still a little concerned that the app market will lead to less free stuff ... just saw that deluxemoon app has been released for $1.99 having been free on winmo - but I don't begrudge developers making a living, I usually donate to anyone who has made something I use regularly anyway and in a funny sort of way, maybe a bit of an earner for the developers was just what was missing with winmo. Some past experience I had with software development companies showed that it was always pretty hard for them to get into the market, and the few websites that got exposure charged outrageous costs.

Good thread so far though, I'm learning quite a bit about android. Going to have a bit of an experiment with downloading customisations tonight - I guess I have to install them from marketplace on one of the current HD2 builds.
[HD2 General] lynxboy:
Sorry if you took that personally, I was in no way referring to your specific post! It's something I hear regularly and something I even said myself once upon a time :o! Be assured, if it was directed at you, I would have quoted you for all to see. Love the intern comment though, I left myself wide open with that one :D. Good thing I didn't mention I'm still a scrounging student, albeit a 'mature' one (I'll graduate one day....really!!).

Anyway, I woke up this morning expecting to have been lynched for that epic post I wrote yesterday. I suddenly remembered what section of the bored I had posted in :eek:! Let it be clear, the post doesn't aim to denigrate Windows Mobile, just to clear up the confusion regarding certain statements people have made. While I voiced my opinion that WinMo is a tired, aging OS (of which MS and countless other respected bodies agree), I also state that it is still very capable, which it is. I hope readers of this thread can take it as it is and not seek to engage in a flame war as we all know where that ends up.

There's always two sides to any coin and if we were certain which side always faces the sky, there would never be a reason to flip it ;).

Regards.
[HD2 General] nrfitchett4:
Right there you are leaving off titanium (with widgets), SPB Mobile Shell which has a standard version, plus at least 2-3 custom skins that I have seen.
[HD2 General] nrfitchett4:
Yeah, I don't get it either.

I have pandora, slacker, and satellite radio on my phone.

Not to mention WMP, Div-x player, TCPMP player and Coreplayer if need be.

There is Mobi-tv, SPB TV, skyfire (with embedded flash capability) to watch tv and videos on, not to mention Sling player support.

What is WinMo missing that I can't live with out?
[HD2 General] nrfitchett4:
how many phones are upgradeable to 2.2 without rooting the phone???

There is currently only 1 that I know of (nexus one). So all business users that need exchange support have to use 1 phone (that is being discontinued)?

Sorry, android is still not there for business support.

And in 3-5 years, I'm guessing they'll be just as much WP7 and apps in silverlight as Android, but that is just my guess.
[HD2 General] morpheus1982:
Lynxboy,

I found your post very interesting, because I am not sure what I will be doing come upgrade time next May. I want to keep the HD2 on its current platform due to the fun that XDA customisations provide. However, given that this phone is already 8 months old, surely I will get bored on it soon.

I have been looking at what HTC in particular have been doing with Andriod, and this time next year the competition should be hotter than it is now, especially with WPS7 on the horizon. I dont like the iPhone, WPS7 looks too abstract to comprehend it, and WM6.5 isnt going anywhere, so surely I am forced to moved to a HTC Andriod this time next year (whilst keeping the HD2 as a play thing).

What do you think?