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[XPERIA X10 Android Development] HunteronX:
Keep going, biktor_gj!

I think that you're really determined to do this, even though you hate/dislike SE. Am I right? :)

And once again, thanks for all your hard work.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] arizhasan:
thanks for your efforts and best of luck.I hope you guys are successful, am tired of waiting.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] vatis24:
Good luck biktor_gj , i hope everything to go well

Cheers
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] gaolinde:
thanks for the efforts biktor.

and guys seriously consider before you buy a SE android phone next time because i doubt there's any developer will get an SE android phone next time after this x10 messed.

we're lucky we got root and custom rom on the way for x10, for next time maybe we can only sit tight and wait for die.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] tuxStyle:
Will be harder and harder to unlock smartphones.

No matter which company.

We see now, Motorola are almost as bad as SE.

HTC might follow them soon.

Hopefully, Google will bring us another smartphone :)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Dinglehoofis:
Good luck! I really hope we get something working here. CM essentially breathed new life into my G1 when it started to show how behind it was, and I think for the X10 it will do the same but on a greater scale.

Thanks for the hard work!
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] naveen_reloaded:
SE has done a good job here ... we should praise them... i think they spent a lot of time to secure theier phone rather than concentrate on the problems with thier modded OS...

anyway i think DEV are close in hacking bootloader .. with mini helpng y giving by neede file (pre release files ) .. they are actually comparing both files for loop holes and i see many other dev are also joined in.. binary is off a week .. so lets just wait...

who knows may be some chineese release a botoloader hack all of a sudden just like one click root...
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] realunited123:
Yeah. Too bad jerpelea and goroh are not active in X10 forums :(

Anyway biktor_gj , Bin4ry and others are doing a great job. Biktor can already write to the flash and all he needs is to read it. Then we are within touching distance of having froyo on our X10 :)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] consolation:
I think "touch" is a bit optimistic, but at least we should be able to get an idea how far away we really are.

Sent from my ZX81.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Nimche:
Think of it like a big concrete wall, you keep breaking it with different tools and different power and you get tired and pissed off and never see the light behind it but one day while you are sitting and angry you throw a rock toward the wall and it creates a hole that you can see the light. Problem is that you will never know when till it happens and from there on is more developments.

I know, it is all weired.:D
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] mezo9090:
Those guys ate my only hope to use my x10 at its most power

If you guys see this.. I love you all and hope you keep doing your great job to the community :-)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Creptio:
haha Nimche, excellent analogy
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] naveen_reloaded:
@Nimche and realunited123

ya u guys are right...

as in foor hacking no one knows when it will fall .. look at PS3 .. SKFU , mathi , xorler etc where trying hard for nearly 2 yrs or so.. then all of a sudden we had JB...

anyway i really wish the wall before x10 falls ...

its high time we port CM or someother thing on this beauty and enjoy the full richenss it has to offer ...
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] dfan:
I just wish we were within multitouching distance...
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] realunited123:
CM and everything is nice but i would like to have ClockworkMod Recovery on X10 but i think i want too much now :D

Anyway i am happy with what i get. Anything will be better than SE's donut(unless its vanilla donut) !
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] realunited123:
We may still be if we first touch the distance :p
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] arizhasan:
http://www.xperiax10.net/2010/10/14/‘xperia-x10-hd’-to-land-in-a-matter-of-weeks-same-hardware/

some balls se has. even for an update, they launch a new device
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] naplesbill:
There is no point in reacting to unconfirmed rumors.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] killerskincanoe:
it may be a rumor. but not a stupid one for sure... many companies have remarketed products wit the same hardware before.. it wouldn't be a bad idea for SE to get some good press and more sales from the x10 before leaking another device that won't be around till late 2012
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] kr3w1337:
Whoever buys this phone should really read the x10 forums at se and here.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] tuxStyle:
Excepting geeks ... not many people are reading forums.

They will loose maybe 1 .. 2% of sales from people actually reading forums.

Today, coming from work i entered 2 Rogers shops to see if the Captivate is out.

You have no idea how many people are buying X10 :)

Is only 99$ at Rogers on contract.

Three years contract but this is the norm in Canada.

Probably on contract the price is quite the same everywhere in the world.

A good price for X10 which is a good smartphone for non geeks ;)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Hypercore:
I REALLY hope they release the X10 HD.

Think about it, if they release an X10 with 2.1 on it the people who buy it will obviously be expecting updates in the future which would give us a large chance that the X10 will be updated to Froyo (if the bootloader isn't cracked by then, but looking at the progress the devs have made within the past few days it doesn't look too far away).
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Contrarian:
I have no problem with my X10 but SE did do the wrong thing by releasing it with 1.6 and low RAM (higher capacity RAM would be about $0.50 per unit more expensive for someone like SE).

The only thing I regret is not waiting another few months for the N8 to come out. When my phone contract expires next year I will definitely be looking at what the other platforms have on offer.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] brat81:
i sure hope the devs are busy atm
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Creptio:
Haha brat81 couldn't a agree more, I keep checking the forums hoping for a new post on the dev thread
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] leslie222:
Same here.....check check check!!!!! :-) unbearable now!!
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] naveen_reloaded:
guys things dont look good... as one dev puts it
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Wolfbreak:
To maxrfon: The most of People didnt even know that the X10 have outdated OS i know much People who bought X10 and are very happy with it they dont even know that 2.2 is out or what 2.2 is so the most People dont matter the only People having Problems with it are the People who know much and they make maybe 2-3% of the X10 sells so i dont think this is a big Problem for SE and all new SE Android Phone are selling good right now and SE is a much bigger Company and isnt dead so becouse they are Sony and Sony is a very big Company.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] brat81:
May sound stupid but has anyone formally asked SE to help with the unlocking of the bootloader ?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] tuxStyle:
Well, yes, from what i remember somebody did it...

I have no idea why they would do it since they were the ones who locked the phone so hard :)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Vilam:
Yes, hundred time^^
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] mezo9090:
Yup, and they have no plans in doing so.. check the product blog and the 2.1 news thread for more info.

I wonder when 2.1 is out where the dev here will be focused ?

Getting to the bootloader or rooting 2.1 ?

Irony is: my brother have a milestone which is running 2.2 and its faster than my x10 even with its low processor :-$ ( guys, crack it please :-)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] mobz:
Maybe SE is using other peoples' bootloader and change it a little. They won't open it to save them from embarrassment..

Just my idea though, who knows.. (Who knows they cheat from HTC or something)..
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] naveen_reloaded:
no as far as i read dev thread... SE has really done great job in keeping the bootloader locked... i dont think it would be others work with some changes.. its all SE`s work and they did a damn good job

as for asking SE about opening Bootloader..

they said it will go against the networks who locked thier phones with thier network.. so SE wont officially open bootloader..

also wht i came to know dev are waiting for 2.1 to hit as they want to know how bootloader while moving from 1.6 to 2.1 that would give a great idea..

who kows SE might have opened a loophole in thier upcomming bootloader as for huge request from customers ..

also as i would recall ( correct me if i am wrong ) some dev said that hacking current bootloader is kind of waste as we cant port higher roms.. i am not sure whehter i got it right...

so we have to wait till 2.1 hits .. may be dev will get a loophole to hack bootloader
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Contrarian:
Relax guys. Even if the bootloader is never cracked, developers can still cook the 2.1 ROM installed on the phone, giving us much more flexibility than 1.6 ever could. Root access will be required of course, but something tells me SE will allow us this much.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] naveen_reloaded:
yeah .. but at present not many dev are working .. so if we can hack bootloader .. we can be safe with Cyanogen mod as that is very well maintained ROM and support is good... atleast..

thats why we need bootloader hacked.. correct me if i am wrong...
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] naveen_reloaded:
update :

dev thread looks excited again... binary will be join soon and this is from
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] mezo9090:
if i have anything to say in the dev thread it is :

thank you guys for working hard for us :)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] mrtim123:
all praise the DEVS!!

+1!!!

Binary, Biktor, Maxrfon, HunteronX and the rest of the guys are doing some great work, many thanks to them for all their efforts! i just wish i had the smarts to contribute in any way :(
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Cablekevin:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=cLmzS5tdXaw

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tpycD7HV_X0

Ok whats up with these video's?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Findee:
Why don't people ever get it that the dev thread is for devs only?

Seriously, why would you post about multi touch in the dev thread? There is a thread devoted to multi touch in general so post our there.

Is it really so hard for people to comprehend that it is for devs only?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] mezo9090:
They are idiots posting like that, I hope mods clean it soon.

About the videos, my guess .. its fake, why ? Because he wanted money for it.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Sighx:
Any proof they're fake? First one seems real, but I'm not one to tell. I'll just wait instead.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] MeZmeriZe_:
Pretty impressive if that first one is fake... who'd have the time and inclination to do that.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] naveen_reloaded:
exactly ... even binary was little upset in that thread...

but the thing the posted the mt video in there to get attention of the dev .. but they would have PM`d some one there .. that would be better ...

anyway i think non dev should stay away from dev threads...

regarding MT video...

I dont think its kind of fake .. if u guys saw that angry bird MT video..

some say its s dev phone and i read it somewhere that the uploader himself have told that they are on 2.1 version and on a custom firmware ..

he also said that when the custom firmware is stable , they would release .. i dont know much about it .. but it seems many others are working on X10
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Contrarian:
I agree.

Just update your phones to 2.1 as soon as it comes out.

Dev's - Good luck. Looks promising.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] brat81:
I rather wait untill we have the all clear to update from the devs, just in-case sony plugged something
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] mobz:
That would be wise, seeing as how Sony love making their upgrades much more difficult to crack in all their products. I knew we're talking about SE, but still...

Seems like good progress on the devs thread.. better wait *fingers crossed*
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Vilam:
If fact, the 2.1 update was delayed as devs on xda mades progress :P
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Creptio:
Hey just wondering what does this progression actually mean?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] maxrfon:
It means the SPL (SBL - Second Boot Loader actually) is extracted.

Being ported to the usbloader it would (yet theoretically) allow to flash unsigned software.

And that means - hello 2.1 :)

I am trying to get use of it now, this SBL is the one that takes care of the update process.

Usbloader helps to run it patched, that is - no more sin header checking. But the question is if we can actually flash the new 2.1 into the nand since the original SPL resides inside and may prevent from loading unsigned software, BUT, we can use sdcard to keep the new OS image and using this loader copy it to ram and start...

Anyway it's a very big progress. But let's hear from the other developers.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Creptio:
Ok awesome, thanks for the quick reply, and all the work you're putting into this project.

Good luck with the future tasks!
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] naveen_reloaded:
thanks a lot for explaining ..

will there be update to bootloader in upcoming formware update from SE

also will the universal root "one click root" app work on 2.1 ? or simply put will we able to root the phone once we upgrade to 2.1 coz i want certain things like setcpu and other things to keep my things working.. also i would need titanium backup to port all my things from 1.6 to 2.1 like apps / contact etc...
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] pshdo:
Short answer.

No one knows for shure until we have tried...!

Send from my X10, still without 2.1 *&%#
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Minoza:
Sorry for noobish question but in case you can flash custom firmware, why 2.1? Why not directly 2.2?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] saltorio:
Just want to say congrats to Maxfron for getting the SPL extracted. Sounds like good progress!
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] jayman1986:
Thats exactly what I was thinking- "hello 2.1" - why not HELLO 2.2?

Congratulations anyway Maxrfon, any progress is great.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] consolation:
We cannot be certain hardware drivers for 2.1 will work with the newer kernel in 2.2. You might be able to boot 2.2, but find you have no working camera or touchpad, for example... We won't know these things till we start flashing custom Tom's.

Sent from my ZX81.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] urs74:
And it starts again :rolleyes: People the DEVS ONLY THREAD means just that DEVS ONLY PM one of them if you have something to offer. sorry for the rant.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Skrba:
devs any progress on the bootloader cracking?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] PoTi_96:
yes

to all:

read, think, post

and not

post, read, think, read again, think, give up
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] zyexx:
I could be wrong but when the OP started this thread he didn't mention anything about DEVELOPERS only, it was just an update on CyanogenMod, which honestly seems to got lost in a few dozen pages back
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] brunswick000:
Ok ive got a quick q in regards to full root. Hopefulling no flaming to follow. Do all of you think that its possible, once the devs crack the bootloader, that they may be able to make that retarded light on the back of the phone work like an actual flash? I found myself admiring a buddies captivate the other day, but thought "if it only had a flash"..... then i thought to myself... "you dont have one either!?" I use my camera all the time, and ive got to admit it embarasses me when people ask how well the flash works.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] strix75:
Why dont you just use Vignette and you will have auto flash.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Minoza:
Vignette uses LED as a "flash" but it doesn't really add much to the quality, it is still a LED and not a Xeon or how is it called, it doesn't provide enough light.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] consolation:
Also, vignette is painfully slow. Unless you are only taking shots of rocks, pretty much useless.

Sent from my zx81 using 2kbaud modem.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] naveen_reloaded:
very great news guys... things are getting better...keep an eye..

Special and hearty thnks for maxrfon for his efforts and to all other dev
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] brunswick000:
Ya I use Vignette, but its not a "flash". It turns the light on, but doesnt act like a real flash. How many cameras have you seen that do that. Ummmmm.... 0. And as mentioned below, its just too slow. Love the app, and still use it, but it could be much improved.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Minoza:
Can someone explain this a bit? What does this exactly mean? Are we closer to solution? :o
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] maxrfon:
It means we can communicate with the nand, therefore we have control over the firmware.

2 tasks left:

1 - Find the SBL location(should be the nand root) & replace it with our dev signed one

2 - Flash whatever firmware you want...

I need a hand of a nand expert.

The_lazer, are you here?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Kingcool88:
For contact to the_laser, try checking his forum over at se-tool:

http://support.setool.net/forumdisplay.php?2-Official-support-(English)

And a BIG tnx for all the effort you and the other guys are putting on this!
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] saltorio:
Just want to congratulate you, Maxfron. That's a great step to achieve.

We're all cheering for you and the dev team!
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Minoza:
Big thx!!!

Exactly, you (and rest of the guys) have done one hell of a job, and one thing I appreciate the most - screwed the SE! :D

They diserved it! They tried to screw with you/us locking the boot loader like that... Making trash of X10 which is capable of being great, if not the best device out there! :mad:
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] thefunkaygibbon:
how about the general android dev forum? (not the x10 one) or even the G1 android dev forum? They may have some Nand experts over there
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] miniGT:
First things first congratulations to all the devs, i really appreciate what you guys are doing in your own time. My question is i now have that ability to update to 2.1 shall i go ahead and update, or shall i wait till more progress has been made in cracking of the bootloader. I dont want to update and realise SE have fixed a loop hole.

Hassan
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Minoza:
Well, you waited this long... :p
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Dmaxon:
its possible to downgrade so go ahead :p
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] mbrad_26:
Great News!!!!!! I envy you for your pasion...:D

THX
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] maxrfon:
Yeah. Looks like he is busy with suport work :)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] maxrfon:
Would be great if they could give a hand.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] ddewbofh:
Figured it'd be better to keep praise and kudos out of the dev thread.

What's been accomplished so far with the NAND reading, the usbloader, the bootloader and all the hardware hacking is nothing short of spectacular. So kudos on a job well done, I wish I could make a "proper" donation. The admiration will have to do in the meantime. :)

Getting hw hackers involved shouldn't be too hard, I'm sure it's challenging enough to pique some interest. The major roadblock is probably the lack of hardware to work on.

But keep up the excellent job, it's always fun to see the progress made. :)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] NoTnERb:
thanks for the work devs, honestly, everything that you do we really appreciate it! the hard work that you put in. I wish i were like you guys, having the know how :D
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Hawkysoft:
project stopped?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] thefunkaygibbon:
They're still going with cracking the bootloader...

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=726813&page=48

This has become the almost 'non-dev' version of that thread
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Minoza:
Did I miss something? :confused:

http://www.xperiax10.net/2010/11/11/custom-froyo-rom-loaded-onto-xperia-x10/
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] saltorio:
Nope. Click the link in that article, or just look at the "Real of Fake" thread on this very forum.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] ooidort:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=835308

Haven't seen this thread I suppose?

Edit-

And I fail at reading.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Hawkysoft:
ah okey, thought this was for cyanogen only, followed this thread a while ago also seemed different ^^
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Contrarian:
It does look like there are 2 projects going

1 to crack the bootloader/write sbl to NAND memory

1 to run the custom ROM on a 2.1 kernel

Either 1 will be good, but personally I'd prefer to use the second option cause I love stock. If you look at CM6 it's even more bloated than the Sony firmware.

Good luck to developers. You should set up a principal "Donate" account. Take whatever you need and donate the rest to charity or something.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] ddewbofh:
+1 on stock Android.

I'm the kind of guy who's preferred linux distro is either Arch Linux or Slackware without any tweaks or "user-friendly" bits added. So getting just the bare-bones Android install to customize without having to remove tons of stuff would be great.

CM is great at what it does but it's also too generic and bloated for my taste. I won't complain if we get CM for the X10 but I'll stick with the SE update until I can flash a vanilla image. :)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] saltorio:
I want the bootloader cracked so I can NAND backup my phone. That way when I mess anything up, it'll be much easier to restore.

With that said, I won't object to a custom ROM.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] citsym:
Full root is obviously better. Since, once we have that we will be able to instal anything, including vanilla Froyo.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] urs74:
+1 and opens it up for more chefs to cook up ROMs for it.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] mad-murdock:
Can you share the sources of this information? Cyanogen is aosp based with a few additions, which most are system related. Sony firmware comes with a lot of unneeded components. we can discuss the use of time and media scape, but what about the additional email and groupware apps and the sony sync stuff? That is all far away from google sources.

Did you take a look at current cyanogen? You really can't be more wrong. Hope cyanogen adds xperia very very late...

Oh, if you are so up to vanilla,.just compile android from sources. It's not that hard, and you can use a kernel from some kernel gurus.

Swyped with my S-OFF'd brain using teh internetz
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Contrarian:
I didn't mean to offend anyone my freind. I appreciate the hard work developers do just as much as anyone else here.

Your childish comments worry me.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] pulpoff:
Can someone here with Rom kitchen build an X8 rom from CM or AOSP sources?

I am ready to post any files from phone if needed.

We can boot it by replacing the /system folder as mentioned earlier in Dev thread.