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[Vibrant General] zephiK:
It sure sounds like the OP already has the "Google Voice" application. I believe what he is looking for is an application kind of like Handcent SMS or Chomp SMS but it doesn't use the carrier's # and instead it sends the text from the Google Voice # so he could get free unlimited texting.
[Vibrant General] boodies:
Yes that is exactly what I am looking for. Maybe its still an non existent program.

Sent from my Samsung Beast Vibrant with XDA App.
[Vibrant General] SykesAT:
I wish there were one. As you said the GV UI is not very good. Infact even the UI for text on GV web site is not great... No clue why texts from one contact sometime makes a new thread, makes it hard to follow compared to most text apps
[EVO 4G General] Yay 4 Juggs:
I am trying to determine if the app2sd is working in my rom so i need a couple testers to see if its a go or no go for launch...if you have app2sd already on your device no matter the rom and would like to help me by testing this for however long it takes to make sure it's working it would be greatly appreciated!!!
[EVO 4G General] dglowe343:
I'm not currently running A2SD but I have in the past. You should be able to compare your internal memory in SD Card and Storage settings with A2SD enabled and disabled. It should be a much higher number with it enabled depending on how many apps you have installed.
[EVO 4G General] nenn:
another easy way to see if its running, and linking proper is to within adb shell

ls -l /data/

if you get something back like app -> /sdcard/app (im not running it currently) then its running and linking proper.

also if its installed running a2sd on the adb shell line will do a bunch of stuff and output lots of info.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
Yes, that's correct. Windows Phone 7 will NOT be officially supported on anything that is currently on the market. Microsoft has repeatedly stated this. It has rather high end specs that very few phones on the market can even support. In addition, Microsoft has a very firm mandate on things such as having the 3, and only 3, buttons on the front of the device.

So will someone here be able to port WP7 to a current device, unofficially? It depends on which device. Does your phone have a Snapdragon CPU? If the answer is no then there is very, and I mean very, little chance of your phone ever seeing WP7. There's a few reasons but the first and foremost being that all of the binaries are compiled with the ARMv7 instruction set. So basically the only phones (that I know of) are the HTC HD2, Acer neotouch, and Toshiba TG01. The most likely is the HD2 which is actively being worked on by Da_G and probably some other people. Several Android phones also sport the snapdragon but we've yet to see an android phone with WM6 running on it so I doubt we'll see WP7 on one either. So I won't straight up rule out other phones from getting some sort of WP7 hack but it's extremely unlikely. If it somehow does, expect the performance to be extremely crappy. There's a reason MS set the requirements to what they did.

Mods: please sticky.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Da_G:
Stickied. WP7/CE6/(future CE7) is quite the different ball game from WM2003/WM5/WM6/WM6.5/CE5/CE5.x...

There's also the LG Expo which runs QSD/ARMv7, so is a possible target.

The major hurdle with porting is that our current devices contain Radio ROMs, Drivers, and Bootloaders which all target the CE5.x platform. CE6+ is a different beast on a low level (in a good way, there are major improvements across the board which required breaking API compatibility - these improvements have been long overdue)

With access to whitepapers documenting the hardware's interface(s) and initialization routines, Platform Builder for WP7, and a good bit of time it's certainly possible to bring any platform supporting ARMv7 up to WP7. However such information/software is not public, so it's up to the OEM to either develop this (not at all likely) or release the requisite platform BSP (also not at all likely) to enable anyone to port their devices to WP7.

There are other possible methods such as emulation, but the amount of work involved would outweigh the end result by a good margin. The OEMs major concerns with porting ROMs is the sharing of 3rd party software to which they are not authorized to license distribution (for example, HTC licenses WM from MSFT, and also licenses a number of other technologies such as swype)

One possible solution for this in an ideal world is for Qualcomm to license HTC to distribute a binary-only driver solution, similar to Nvidias driver license on *nix. Combining that with HTC's own OEM specific binary-only libraries, would give us a bare-bones Platform BSP. This would contain only technologies owned by Qualcomm and HTC. They could then release this bare bones, binary-only, pre-linking BSP, and we could, on our end, combine it with the WP7 Platform Builder, and come out with a completely stock WP7 ROM.

This would allow us to constantly update the OS version, add our own 3rd party software as needed, and eliminate the need to use "cooking" tools to build a ROM (instead we could use MSFT's own PB or a derivative of such)

In this situation there wouldn't be any licensing issues outside of Qualcomm and HTC's own IP. Will they ever do this? I doubt it. But it would be very, very nice! It would satisfy the OEM's requirement that we don't redistribute 3rd party software, and satisfy our own needs to tweak our phones to perfection. Note that Qualcomm/HTC is interchangable with any SoC developer and any OEM. Rather than Qualcomm/HTC it could be Texas Instruments/Samsung, or xxxx/yyyy :)

Of course there are some other snags with this (WP7 Platform Builder is not publicly available), but one can dream right? :)

Side note, for more info on what a BSP is from the horses mouth, look here.
[Windows Phone 7 General] kalpeshmist:
Da_G, respecting all the tries that have been made till now, if ever Windows Phone 7 would be ported it would be on very certain device - like lg expo or hd2, as per the hardware requirements. it would be better to buy a windows phone 7 device than buying and porting wp7 on the above devices.

microsoft is trying to create a hype for windows phone 7, and is in the news though not much. almost all windows mobile OEMs are making wp7 devices. if an OEM is making a device with high end specs, it won't port its own software(ui) on the buggy windows mobile, but will buy license for let's say android or why not wp7. we have seen how the OEM tried hard to optimise windows mobile 6.1 and 6.5 on snapdragon. windows mobile still got the future but with limited hardware..
[Windows Phone 7 General] pack21:
I am one of many owners of an HD2.

Who will lose is the MS.

Will lose many WM7 ambassadors..... will a HD2 owner, buy a new WM7 device ?.......no!.......we will port the HD2 to Android, and become one more Droid embassador.

This is the business of MS in the world of smartphones.....a no upgrade SO\Device seller.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Windcape:
Why would you swap to Android? When you need a new phone, a WP7 would make a good replacement for any Windows Mobile device.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dazza9075:
Because its Android....its open source, its just better ok, dont question! :)

i think the issue is that the HD2 is more than capable of doing a lot more than it currently does and i for one have an issue with upgrading phones because of software, if i want an upgrade its for hardware reasons so naturally if other OS's can be ported to the HD2 then it will sustain my device a bit longer. until its no longer able to run what i want it to run.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Windcape:
Android phones are as open source as iPhones are :p (Android OS, and Darwin OS is open source, most of the rest is closed-source modifications).

Anyway, I don't think it's Microsoft's choice if HD2 get WP7 or not, but HTCs. And HTC look forward to a large profit margin by selling extra much hardware this year, so obviously they wouldn't want to upgrade HD2 -- at least not the first six months.
[Windows Phone 7 General] pack21:
Because I paid well for it,a shortly time, and i dont want to spend more money, to bought a new Device, always MS upgrade the OS....opposite of the top devices with Android or iphone.

was my mistake, I can not blame anyone else, I was naive in thinking that it would take a WM7 upgrade due to good specs of HD2.

my mistake.

But I will not throw out my HD2
[Windows Phone 7 General] Windcape:
For the iPhone you get a upgrade for a small price, for Android you're completely relying on the mercy of your manufacturer. And the less you pay, the less chance in hell there is you get a update, special for Android phones.

You're being naive if you think Android is any different here.
[Windows Phone 7 General] istoica:
3 buttons is a must? Nog sure if that could be true... some manufacturers would be left out/give up themselves because of this constraint.

7 for phones... MSFT is losing smartphones market share. Trust me... they will make it available for the... gen pop :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] blaiz123:
Is this suppose to be news? I though everyone knew by now that WM7 will not be supporting current Winmo phones....
[Windows Phone 7 General] DMAND:
It's not meant to be news, it's meant to stop people asking will WP7 be ported to my TP2/Diamond2/(insert current wm phone name here) question
[Windows Phone 7 General] ari-free:
Does this mean WP7 can only be for snapdragon and not OMAP, hummingbird, tegra 2 and all the other arm cpu's out there?
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
Little is officially known about this however it's believed that at first only Snapdragon will be supported. But with Samsung being a partner and other companies certainly wanting choice, it won't last forever. Samsung devices very well may have a Hummingbird but Samsung would just have to develop more of the drivers whereas MSFT is developing everything for Snapdragon.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ari-free:
I just assumed older arm cpu's wouldn't be supported. But only snapdragon? ugh...

I'm not a big fan of HTC because they insist on using snapdragons in their supposedly high end phones.

btw Samsung will probably not use hummingbird in future phones because Apple bought out intrinsity. But I can't imagine them wanting to use snapdragon...they'd probably want to use the OMAP4 which has the same powerVR GPU, the SGX540. OMAP3's cpu is actually better than hummingbird so I don't think anyone will be crying over the Apple acquisition.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tiwas:
In my opinion, HTC could disable a couple of the buttons on my HD2 if it made it applicable for WP7. Though, on the other hand, I see as much reason to upgrade to WP7 as to go for an iPhone. I'd rather iPuke my iGuts out. WP7 looks iAweful and I think it iSucks pretty bad.

I understand Microsoft's rationale for making the specs as strict as they have, as this is the sole reason iPoo...iPhone is so stable. There's simply no room for flawed drivers, and there's only one "option" ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
I thought Samsung owned/designed Hummingbird?

But at any rate, MSFT will likely open it up later on. They're just keeping it simple for now. Not enough of a difference to start writing/testing drivers for all these different platforms.
[Windows Phone 7 General] DMAND:
Having seen videos on how the camera button works, you can now understand why you cant just bodge WP7 onto a HD2.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
Their internal test devices didn't have hardware camera buttons.
[Windows Phone 7 General] DMAND:
Yes but all retail ones will, one that require half presses for focusing which none of the hd2 buttons could be forced to do if I'm correct.
[Windows Phone 7 General] DavidinCT:
If it did, I would have one, Asuron offered me one for my cracked display on my Touch Pro 2...
[Windows Phone 7 General] lakaz20:
Where can I get a WP7 ROM for my TG01??
[Windows Phone 7 General] mdmmnb:
Hi all,

Can anyone tell me if the ACER S200 is suitable for Windows Phone 7. ????
[Windows Phone 7 General] mikeeam:
Just HD2. At least for now. Dont get excited about that.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Vyriz:
In the first post it says Acer s200 is compatible with WP7 , but each time I try to install HSPL or radio or I don't know what else , it says " Error [260] : connection "

How can I solve that ? My phone is connected to activesync though ....
[Windows Phone 7 General] HAKA:
[Q] Windows Phone on QVGA

Hello

I use HTC Mega, as it has Windows Mobile 6.5,

I am very irritated with it! But when I saw Windows Phone 7..... I found it pretty awesum & cute!

Will any of the senior members here be able to port Windows Phone 7 to it?? or on any QVGA device??

Plz tell? Any satisfactory answer to it?

:confused:
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
Not sure how you missed the thread stickied to the top of this board entitled "Windows Phone 7 WILL NOT be supported on ANY current WinMo Phones"

Edited is MOD: merged post lost.

mmelo76 Forum Mod
[Windows Phone 7 General] richteralan:
M$: It is simple to you, and simple to us consumers.

I have a HD2 and will not buy a new WP7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PreVayl:
HTC HD3 specs

there are some trustworthy spec releases and im wondering why nobody is mentioning them.

google "htc hd3 release date" and you will find info on specs (new Leaks)

the reason i think current phones wont run wp7 CORRECTLY and smoothly

is HD3 has

1 GB rom 1 GB ram

16 GB internal memory PLUS a 36 GB external SD card

1.5 GHz snapdragon processor

720p video record and 1080p playback

4.5 inch Amoled screen 1280 x 800

.40 inch thick

8 mp cam. and a front camera

OMFG with those specs How about a nicely skinned WP7 HD3 with android dual booted to that big 16 Gb INTERNAL MEMORY, the android will have fast everything cuz look at the specs and the possible transfer rate of the internal mem will have with the 1.5 ghz snap dragon as the big F^&* cherry on top.

Seriously i wish i can post the links to the leaks i found. but i got friends that work a tMo so they always have access to th final specs like 2 months before it hits ill post it up as a new topic if one is not already created

I am a BIG HD2 lover and i think HD3 will be my wife. lmao
[Windows Phone 7 General] orb3000:
Thanks Da_G!!!

More than agree.

but feel lucky;)

HTC Leo is a device that can run not only WM6.5.x also Android, and I bet for Da_G´s post to become real!

One way or another great minds will find the way:)
[Windows Phone 7 General] the-hq:
The reason might be because the specs were just for a design concept made by NAK Design and every site picked it up as the real deal...

Read this: http://wmpoweruser.com/the-htc-hd3-designer-speaks/
[Windows Phone 7 General] PreVayl:
wow i feel like an idiot.lolol. WOW, i didnt know, i thought the leak was real
[Windows Phone 7 General] Ultimaex:
i need to add that there will be NO external SD card supported with WP7!!
[Windows Phone 7 General] PreVayl:
No sd card. i wil die!.ol

r u f-ing with me cuz thats one of the main reasons why i hated iphone

not you telling me they are not gonna have sd card, R U SURE?

if 100% what do you think are the benefits, (cant be better the sd...right?)
[Windows Phone 7 General] bbezja1:
AFAIK those phones have "integrated" SD cards. so if you open up the phone, then you can replace the card.

but again its all for "our" good, because it will be optimised for that card and it will be large cards so majority wont feel the need for bigger storage IMHO
[Windows Phone 7 General] Thiago Fialho:
Because Microsoft betrayed all their loyal WM6 users, especially HD2 users with that **** about three buttons. So i dont want to forgive them and expect the same happens again with WM7 (no updates, no respect with old users). I don't believe in MS anymore, they copy apple (jail) model... of course not copy with WM7... because WM7 don't have copy and paste. :p ... I'm movin to Android... Good Luck for who stay with Microsoft.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jasonfreeman27:
it was microsoft that said it wont upgradable and as for open the new wp7 wont be ablee to loads not on there market place no skins no nothing just there os and app approved by them and if the apps in wm 6.5 on my old hd2 are anything to go by there were terrible and there no where near enough
[Windows Phone 7 General] DMAND:
Seriously, I'm fed up of reading this same BS, no one sold you a HD2 with the promise of it running WP7, the 3 buttons are there for a reason as I've said about the camera button, you show me a HD2 button that can do half presses!

Even Apple stops updating older hardware, so what makes people think MS is any different?
[Windows Phone 7 General] PreVayl:
great point, MS is just trying to step the game up look at iphone and...oMG droid climbed up and is beating MS in the face right now, the only thing keeping MS in the game untill the release of "HD3' (if called that) is Hd2, if hd2 was not around right now. ms would be **** and the launch of wp7 would be harder to spread the hype since nothing on the market for them would be doing good.

Sorry for my typos and sentence fragments for those that love correcting spelling but im a lazy typer.lol. dont ask me how.

Anyways, THIS IS THE WAY TO GO IF POSSIBLE by XDA DEVS

LETS SAY--- wp7 comes out with HTC "UNITE" (for example)

1.5 ghz snapdragon

1.5 gb rom

1 gb ram

etc

WP7 is in no way using up more the 25% of all that

o so dual boot WP7 with the latest droid that would be at that time, cuz later droid version will probably support those specs too,

WHY just stick with on when you can have both. 16-32 gb internal memory on top of that

you taking about faster loading with both OS's and faster response do to internal memory having better connection to the other internal components.

People STOP bashing the companies that are screwing everybody and fight fire with fire.....they wanna bull**** people with hardware **** because of corporate identities milking each other to make money off each other and etc etc etc.

i SAY dual boot the phones jail break, make our own FREE apps,

donate to ourselfs, be self contained AND in a natural way boycott the FAT_BODIES at the top of the corp companies,

I LOVE WHAT XDA IS DOING, and as soon as i can i will donate to them over and over, and possible join up to make special projects,

im a production designer and XDA is impressing me with the work flow and

the manner in which they carry the site, devs helping other devs helping noobs, giving back, I have got more support in a single thread then any other product support line for big corps,

its time for a HTC-XDA phone with XDA Linux-based OS

with a wysiwyg SDK that would revolutionize development

allowing people to fully customize there phones.

I would love to see that!

or maybe im the only idiot thinking that...i dont know but it would make sense to me at least
[Windows Phone 7 General] bbezja1:
it wouldnt be fun and people would lose interest ;)

no seriously. noone would build a superduper friendly OS for some bucks, when MS sells his lame WM 6.5 in millions for big bucks
[Windows Phone 7 General] PreVayl:
true. i would if i could, but hey you can always dream.lol.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mrleufroy:
Hey,hey, heeeeeey!

Gents.... why so hostile? I own a Toshiba K01/IS02... which is pretty much a TG01 with a keyboard. So? Why not just be happy that MY phone has a snapdragon, wm, 3 sexy soft touch buttons, and that ever so certain type of a camera button. And look at that... it's a "current wm device". See? Now that everybody is happy for me, can we talk about something important.... like how I'm NOT gonna upgrade to WP7 when it most certainly will be available for my phone unless they get the sweeping support that Android and iOS has. I mean sheesh, I want that USAA app to let me take a picture of a check to deposit into my account. I also want that shlong phone app that lets you control your dangalang from the convenience of your phone.... they really do make an app for everything.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mrcalais:
Would i be right in saying WP7 was announced around when HD2 was released? If you guys were so worried about it being upgradable, why would you not of just waited?

You bought the phone. It's not like if i buy a LCD tv and a new one comes out that ill expect firmware updates for my tv so i get the new features on my old tv. Seriously.

Just deal with the fact that you probably wont officially get it. If the dev's here get it running, then they get it running. But learn to read and stop posting the same crap over and over!

I bought a touch pro 2 about 8 months ago, and will most likely be buying a HTC WP7 depending on the final specs and look of the OS
[Windows Phone 7 General] Shasarak:
No.

The reason people are so angry about the lack of an upgrade is not so much because they expected one at the time of purchase but because of the (much later) announcement that WP7 won't be backwards-compatible with WM6.x. Of course we all knew there was some kind of "new Windows Mobile" coming out, but for it not to be backwards-compatible is something everyone was completely blindsided by. The second that Microsoft announced that no piece of WM6.x software will run on WP7, WM6.x ceased to be a viable platform for commercial software development (and companies like Adobe, Skype, and even Microsoft themselves, instantly began to jump ship - many others have followed).

Of course, I say everyone was blindsided by the announcement; but HTC must have known, and conveniently neglected to mention it to HTC buyers.

For HTC to say "your phone won't get an upgrade even though it was widely rumoured that it would and we very deliberately didn't do anything to quash those rumours because we wanted you to believe them" is something people could probably have coped with. But what they've actually said is "You know that flagship phone that you just put down £450 for and that everyone confidently expects will single-handedly resurrect Windows Mobile as a viable OS? Well, actually, its OS will cease to be commercially viable about two months after you buy it, and you'll never get any upgrade." That's enough to make some people very angry, and quite rightly so. Lack of an upgrade wouldn't have been a problem if the current OS hadn't been killed off; killing off the current OS wouldn't have been such a problem if there had been an upgrade to look forward to. But the combination of both was a killer.

If you doubt the effiicacy of Microsoft's announcement in killing off Windows Mobile, check out the OS marketshare figures: Windows Mobile had a 9% marketshare a year ago and is less than 5% now. (source)
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
That has more to do with Android than it does WP7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gm112:
Honestly, I would put the blame on HTC for releasing devices left and right(literally, count how many devices they have released in the last year.. like the HTC Droid Eris? Like that was a real upgrade.. >_>), it's really a lot. They should have held off releasing much devices for WM7's release so people wouldn't get suckered in like that. Also, if you expected your WM6 device to run WM7, well, that's simply your fault for making that assumption. Supporting legacy devices BEFORE the WM7 standard would hold back innovation and cause market fragmentation. Look at Android. With the updates mainly held back by the mercy of your carriers, you have users running Donut still even though Froyo is out.

Microsoft is trying to avoid repeating their competitor's mistake.

In the end, though, you have to realize that every OS has its ups and downs. If you disagree with Microsoft's movement, you'll just have to deal with it one way or another even if you do switch to another OS, because that won't change the fact that they did make that change.

Another thing I'd like to point out is how fast cell phones have been becoming obsolete recently. It's kind of like the desktop market 10 years ago. (I can even go back 5 years) Things were changing so fast in the hardware at that time, but it seems now the main innovations seem to be going into the software now. I'll just stop my post lol.. I've ranted on for quite a bit :P.