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[XPERIA X10 General] fadimck:
i disagree with you, the software here is very smooth too

also there is a HUGE difference in the build quality (Milestone is BEATING the X10 in this matter)...

sure I will miss X10 Camera but I'm always attaching my 12MP Cybershot camera with me so .... wish me luck dear....
[XPERIA X10 General] ixemun:
After taking my time reading through the whole thread, the reason you bought a milestone is because of the following (I only list which I find odd, the rest are acceptable)

- 2.1 Android OS

- Multi-touch

- Physical Keyboard

- Camera with Flash

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So you've mentioned that it has great and stable 2.1 OS where you have yet to try SE's 2.1 which will be released in the coming months, what makes you think you can make that claim? Unless you're comparing it with 1.6 OS then that's like stating the obvious like saying a fresh apple is better than rotten apple.

Multi-touch, I'm not keeping my hopes up nor anyone, for whatever reason you need multi-touch for is beyond me, there is no concrete proof yet whether the X10 is actually capable of recognizing multi-touch input or not (the only assurance we get is from SE themselves, for all we know they could be lying)

If you need multi-touch for games, which really makes me wonder why don't you just grab an iPod touch or an iPhone, they have larger game library, or rather just a Handheld console. Why I'm suggesting this you might ask? I'll explain it later when I get to the camera part.

Physical Keyboard, weee, with a physical keyboard, why would you still be needing Multi-touch? "pinch to zoom?", if that's your only reason why would you go for an X10 to begin with?

And ofcourse yes, camera with flash, it's a plus ofcourse but one flaw in your argument you said you won't be missing X10's 8MP camera much because you "are always attached to your 12MP cybershot camera" so why is there a need to have a camera phone that has flash? same reason why I suggested you a different handheld for gaming.

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I'm not telling you to stick with the X10, nor that I'm suggesting you should sell it either, think about your decisions again and ask yourself "what do you really want in a smartphone", all those excuses I listed above are the same main excuses people use to bash the X10.
[XPERIA X10 General] ixemun:
haha this one is funny xD tell me how droid is better than X10's 1.6 OS that can handle more FPS than droid?

FPS = Frame Per Second, the higher it is the smoother the graphics will be, are you sure you've done your research properly?
[XPERIA X10 General] andy8271:
i had a milestone before i UPGRADED to x10

its ok but its just not as smooth , battery life is worse , and i have no reason for a qwerty keyboard
[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
I figure he's just a really bad troll.
[XPERIA X10 General] fadimck:
very FUNNY guy :cool:
[XPERIA X10 General] Nankov:
Ok don't know what you mean by built quality but the keyboard on the milestone gets loose after a week of using it. It wobbles. Its your choice but i think its a mistake to buy it to replace x10. Don't know if you read the other threads but looks like were getting froyo very soon as i understand that the bootloader was cracked today. So good luck with you're milesone.

Sent from my X10i using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk
[XPERIA X10 General] mezo9090:
I can't agree more, x10 with 2.1 equals a new phone.
[XPERIA X10 General] Chewitt:
There is nothing wrong with the X10, Just impatient users of the phone.
[XPERIA X10 General] fadimck:
wrong my friend, I'm using it for more than a week now and i didn't face such a problem, the system is very stable 2.1 version

still didn't root it but i believe i will do next weekend

really i'm enjoying it guys while you're still waiting for it :p sure i mean 2.1 ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] fadimck:
:confused: tell me.... till when are you going to wait??

Moto now are discussing 2.2 upgrade while you are waiting for 2.1 ... shame on SE :mad:
[XPERIA X10 General] fadimck:
Really Shame on SE

Look what is published about HTC too, guys please be fair
[XPERIA X10 General] fadimck:
thanks for MOTO Developers

check the below link too guys, XDA Developers delivered 2.2 to Milestone :p

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=734802

Sorry guys.... see you soon :D
[XPERIA X10 General] Chewitt:
im going to wait till the devs crack the BL and then put 2.2 on it.

with android all you buy is the hardeware remeber, the firmware can be changed.

So Why would you want to go down from a 8.1mp cam to a 5?

Why would you want to go from a handset that looks stunning to a generic HTC looking handset?

Yep fair enough the X10 dont have 2.1 yet or 2.2, But remember this is SE's first android handset and they are working on Timescape and Mediascape for 2.1 and the change from 2.1 to 2.2 isnt a big leap. But i personally feel that what they have managed with the X10 compared to its competators who have been playing with android since day 1, Give SE a year and people will be saying HTC what??? Put into context HTC's 2 years with android vs SE's 5 months.
[XPERIA X10 General] damirbusic:
If this update does not bring major improvements I am going to sell my X10 and buy Galaxy S, 4" display, 9,9 mm thick, Froyo and 720p recording, cant go better than this.
[XPERIA X10 General] PollPixx:
Why can't anyone respect another one s choice anymore? if you are happy with x10 and willing to wait for the 2.1 update, great. If you can't wait and want the latest android version now, get another phone and enjoy. I really don't understand the discussion, it feels a bit like bmw drivers bash Merc drivers, they are both nice high end cars but for some reason they want to convince each other they have the best, what is the next discussion, is there a God? burger king or Mac Donald s? straight or gay?
[XPERIA X10 General] mezo9090:
True, when I purchase an android phone i go for hardware since the software is changing all the time.

Come next month and see the x10i on 2.1 or 2.2, what will you do?

sent from my x10i that is banging for a 2.1 upgrade. ...
[XPERIA X10 General] shitnab:
Am i the only one not having money enough to buy an phone then to cry about android 1.6 then throw more money away to buy a phone with nearly same hardware, just to get android 2.1 - 2.2 ? why would anyone change their phone just to get the newest OS fast, its not like ur phone suddenly cant Call or SMS without android 2.2

I am perfectly happy about my X10, its a nice looking phone, great hardware and great software. if u dont like ur X10 fair enough but why did u buy it in the first place then?
[XPERIA X10 General] fadimck:
totally agree with you buddy
[XPERIA X10 General] mezo9090:
If you agree that much, why you started this thread in the first place.

X10i and the milestone are both different tastes, so its your choice and we don't care if you choose anyone of them.

No offense, but I can't think of a reason for this thread.

sent from my x10i that is banging for a 2.1 upgrade. ...
[XPERIA X10 General] ixemun:
Because the TC is already disrespecting X10 user's choice by asking if we'll follow his choice of leaving X10 for a Milestone.

Him of all people who started a topic whether X10 is a good choice for him KNOWING the limitation of the device (Android 2.1 in Q3, chances of 2.2 coming for it is slim, Lack of Multi-Touch, Lack of better flash) and do keep in mind that he posted that topic and decided to buy the X10 sometime late June, just before the dev released a root for X10, more than enough information to justify what he needs to know before buying a product. If he's done much of a good research that made him thinking that milestone is better, that should have saved him the trouble.

I for one do respect his decision in buying a different phone, I just don't respect his "excuses" as to why.
[XPERIA X10 General] Nankov:
This thread really is pointless, you posted to see peoples opinion and now you dont like it when everyone told you you made a mistake. I feel the same way, if you wanted 2.1 why didnt you buy the milestone in the first place? The x10 is better than milestone and it will always be. I dont know what you thought its gonna happen when you decided to make this thread, just look at the poll :) anyway enjoy your device, we all love our x10s and we can wait because we like it the way it is now it just only gets better.
[XPERIA X10 General] ddewbofh:
One possibility which appears likely and is completely understandable is that the thread was started out of frustration. Frustration over that SE will take time to release 2.1 combined with impatience can easily lead to someone replacing their device. And once you've switched it's understandable that you try to justify your switch, especially if you discover that it wasn't all you expected it to be.

The Milestone isn't a superior device by any stretch of the imagination, the only advantage it has is the built-in keyboard if that's something that's important to you. If I'd just spent a few hundred euros on inferior hardware simply because I wanted a newer OS I would probably also look for anything to show that the added expense was worth it.
[XPERIA X10 General] zhoustanley:
i think why everyone is so baffled at why you switched to the milestone is because they were phones that came out at the same time, and the milestone in many ways is inferior and not legitimately an upgrade over the x10. Not to mention the fact that the milestone is essentially outdated now with the droid x and droid 2 coming out.

the x10 represents SEs best offering and is there flagship android device for a while, whereas the milestone is not anymore...

i considered the milestone when i was getting the x10, however due to the fact that the hardware keyboard is quite awful (compared to my blackberrys and other QWERTY phones ive used) i got the x10 and definitely not regretting my choice.
[XPERIA X10 General] Izzy_Deadyet:
The simple fact is that smartphones have gone the way of computers. There will always be something faster and cooler just around the corner. Buy the phone that meets your current needs and stop making version numbers a contest.

I'm still happy using my Motorola DynaTAC 8000 while I wait for Android 57.2 to be released.
[XPERIA X10 General] saltorio:
Huh? The Milestone was released in November of 2009 (or at least the Droid was, which was essentially the same phone). The X10 - though announced much earlier - wasn't released until late March 2010.

That's what's so baffling. The Milestone had been out for several months by the time the X10 was released, and at that time everyone knew the X10 had 1.6 installed and 2.1 wouldn't follow until this fall.
[XPERIA X10 General] applebook:
One thing I love about the Milestone is its aluminum/magnesium construction. IF it had a faster CPU, then I would have chosen it over the X10, but that 600MHz A8 is aging quickly, especially with the imminent release of the Droid 2.
[XPERIA X10 General] HunteronX:
Yeah, I laughed when I found out it would use a Sony "Super" LCD, too! :D
[XPERIA X10 General] HunteronX:
Exactly. :)
[XPERIA X10 General] gypsydigi:
I have an x10. I really enjoy it. Camera quality is amazing.

I did however pick up a Dell Streak this weekend :) Which i absolutely love. But i will still be using my x10. I think its one of the cleanest looking android phones on the market. Once i get past the size of the Streak i may switch over completely but in the meantime the x10 is my phone of choice. Lets wait for 2.1 or 2.2 for the x10 and then compare...
[XPERIA X10 General] cvchetan:
I think this thread is of no use.. moreover let us not debate on the personal choices of ppl and end up in wars.

closing this thread

chetan
[Vibrant General] iBustCh3rries:
I just order this phone online yesterday and was wanting to get a general consensus on the battery life on the phone... Coming from an HD2 and a nexus one before and a G1 before that I am tired of using smartphones with horrible battery life... I'm hoping to get battery life similar to that of the blackberry 9700 (I had that between my G1 and Nexus) which i was ver impressed with it's battery getting up to 2 days out of it sometimes... Is the battery anything close to that? or is it another fail for smartphone batteries?
[Vibrant General] SugarMouth:
The battery life on the Vibrant is right up there with the best of a powerful smartphone with a large screen. It will not be like the BB however.
[Vibrant General] GizDrak:
I love the battery life on this phone I have only charged it twice sense last Thursday I seem to be getting 24 hours of normal use or more off this battery. Normal use for me is lots of testing and browsing the net I also been showing off avatar been using the battery for that.

I am very happy with the battery on this phone.
[Vibrant General] N8QDogg:
G1 to Vibrant

I too recently ordered this phone, and if the battery alone is better than then G1 I'll be happy. So far alot of good reviews. So hopefully a charger in my back pocket wont be necessary. I'll repost once I get it on Monday or Tuesday!
[Vibrant General] temperbad:
My nexus one got me about 4.5 to 5 hours heavy usage. This gets me 6 hours of heavy usage (straight internet). My n1 lasted a day of moderate usage, I noticed standby wasnt to great on it, but the vibrant I bet I could get 2 days light to moderate usage as I can already tell the Standby time kicks the arse off the n1....

Happy so far..
[Vibrant General] SugarMouth:
I once had a G1, worst battery ever! You will be pleased with this one!
[Vibrant General] Pneumatic:
I haven't been overly impressed with the battery life. I might have something installed that is sucking it dry but 8-10 hours is all I get from a charge (Of course this is during the initial "wow" period of getting a new phone).
[Vibrant General] Bran415:
Did my 1st battery test yesterdy. Unplugged it from the charger at 11am. Sittin at the throne browsing fb & twitter, email, xda (legs ended up falling aslep lol) Used camera & video for about 30 mins on the biggest resolution. Daughter was on youtube for about an hour in the car (Weird Al Yankovic's trapped in the drive thru on repeat smh). Surfing the web for a good 45 mins while wifey & daughter shopping. Watchng avatar. Get home at around 10pm and battery just now dopped to 50%. Best battery ive had since my bb8700! hopefully a higher mah stock size battery is in the work so my vibrant can go on beast mode!
[Vibrant General] iceshinobi:
Lol I had the 9700 no smart phone would have the battery life that thing has unless a new form of battery technology emerges that thing best point is to live
[Vibrant General] hah2110:
FYI just got mine and it is charging now. At the store I checked out the battery stats on the demo unit (in theory it has had a good deal of play time from customers) and it was at 32% and unplugged for 2 days and like 5 hours. That is damn GOOD. If we get custom kernels on this thing, that would be intense.
[Vibrant General] disturkis4u:
I think it's pretty bad. I only have exchange email on it and nothing else syncing. Even when I'm not using it much the battery is down to 70%. What's worse is that the battery meter will appear to be 100% even when it's downto 82%. I have to charge it after about 8 hours and keep in mind I have a 9700 that is my #1 for email and messaging via bbm. I could only imagine if this were my only phone. I'd probably need to find a charge after 6 hours. It's better than the hd2 however but I go 2 days without charging my blackberry so I hope that's not what you're looking for.

I will however any that for a super android device it probably had the best battery when compared to the evo, incredible, droid x etc
[Vibrant General] BigWorldJust:
You can get a good 10 to 12 hours out of it with heavy usage, which is great for a smart phone :D.
[Vibrant General] unxconformed:
In terms of fast, large screen smartphones, the battery life is slightly better than average in my opinion. It's a 1500mah pack as compared to the 1150mah pack in my G1. It's definitely not to the point where I would like it to be, but there isn't a phone on the market that can really provide me with that capability (unless some type of new battery tech comes out).

You can just go into your settings, then about phone and then battery usage and you'll see a breakdown of what your usage was since the last time it was plugged in charging. For me the screen is still dominating the power usage. That should be pretty typical of any large screen smartphone. Since the AMOLED is 20% more efficient than LCD it should translate to slightly better overall battery life.
[Vibrant General] kusotare:
Remember guys, this is also battery life with the stock kernel. I'm sure once we get a dev team working on uv/oc kernels, we'll see some significant fluctuation in the battery life, much like we saw with the N1 almost doubling battery life with the right kernel.
[Vibrant General] DonutYankee:
I have to say, my battery life has been rather mediocre at best so far. Yesterday got down to 30% in about 8 hours, and all I did was send maybe 10 text messages and make two calls. I turned off Facebook and Twitter syncing in hopes that it would help. I barely used the damn thing and it ate through the battery. It's syncing my Gmail account and two Hotmail accounts (checking every hour). I hope that I'm just not noticing using it more. In cases when I do sit down and use it heavily, battery runs down incredibly quickly. I'm rather concerned.
[Vibrant General] kolyan:
I believe Froyo is better on battery
[Vibrant General] iBustCh3rries:
Thanks for all the info guys... Hopefully the phone will be in tomorrow so I can form my own opinion *crosses fingers*
[Vibrant General] hah2110:
Not good. Battery lost 30% overnight in 9 hours with SetCPU set and it set to GSM Auto PRL... :-(
[Vibrant General] BigWorldJust:
Condition your battery.
[Vibrant General] hah2110:
Conditioning is a myth... LiOn batteries don't need to be conditioned. The phone needs to be conditioned to properly report the battery, but it shouldn't be this bad.
[Vibrant General] MTC44:
This. ^^

"Conditioning the battery" is a weird tech myth leftover from the pre-LiOn battery days.
[Vibrant General] hah2110:
Right... So what are people doing for battery on this phone? Under usage it definitely uses less battery than my N1 but standby SUCKS. How did the one in the store get 2+ days.
[Vibrant General] Ziostilon:
from what i gather. there just seems to be a lot of stuff you have to kill and shut off

bluetooth, wifi, all that social networking app. with their synching, same with e-mail synching

like kusotare has mentioned, when you get the uv/oc kernels in there it'll be more adjusted to your liking
[Vibrant General] hah2110:
It isn't these things. If it were, they would show under the Battery History for Network Usage and Partial Wake Usage, but there is nothing there!
[Vibrant General] mesajoejoe:
Sometimes the phones in the stores do not have a sim card in them so they arent using the cellular towers at all, sometimes just wifi. Im not sure if this would have any effect but might be why they are getting more battery life?
[Vibrant General] Pneumatic:
I was having some regrets about the battery on the Vibrant but now that I have settled into a 'normal' usage I have found that the battery is actually pretty good.

When I first got the phone I was watching Avatar, shopping for live wallpapers on the market, installing and uninstalling various applications, working with the tether programs (I rooted mine), etc.. The battery only gave me about 7-8 hours of use but I was on it pretty much constantly.

I have been working today and using it like I normally use a phone. I check email, hit the web for a few things, watched a few YouTube videos, talk on the phone quite a bit using my bluetooth headset, cranked up Avatar a bit to show a friend, etc. I just checked and it has been 22 hours, 11 minutes, and 8 seconds since I took it off of the charger and I still have 28% battery left. The majority of my battery usage has been "Voice Calls" (43% according to the "Battery Use" screen),

Though I was skeptical at first I have to say that I am pretty impressed with the battery at this point. It blows my Cliq and old G1 out of the water and seems to be stronger than my daughters MyTouch.
[Vibrant General] BigWorldJust:
Don't use the TouchWiz launcher. That eats up ALOT of battery.
[Vibrant General] hah2110:
It was definitely active and on 3G as I looked for this.

I'm using Launcher Pro.
[Vibrant General] BigWorldJust:
LauncherPRO should definitely make the phone smoother and eat up less battery.
[Vibrant General] Pneumatic:
That reminds me.... I did remove the "Buddies Now", "Daily Briefing", and "Feeds and Updates" widgets and I am sure that's a big part of my extended battery life. I didn't buy the phone for TouchWiz and all of that will be gone when the first stable ROM comes along anyway. :)
[Vibrant General] darkknight49:
I got to 15 hours before i hit 19% and decided to charge up. Got rid of the endgadget app which was chewing threw the batter at will. Still have facebook sync and google mail up which are the two places i get most of my messages. I've been using touchwiz and i'm gonna try launcher pro for the next trial.

Does anyone know if leaving the phone plugged in will adversely affect battery health? I know with my blackberry it didnt but i'm not sure about the vibrant
[Vibrant General] DonutYankee:
Unplugged it at 8:16 in the morning. Now 12 hours later down to 26%. I had a 45-minute phone call. Other than that phone was used for no more than 15 minutes total for the whole day. I have no widgets that self-update, I turned off Twitter and Facebook sync, and it checks my two hotmail accounts every hour. This is ridiculous. I do think it might be the way the phone reports the percentage. The battery icon on the top bar is half-way full, the settings screen shows 26%. I can't tell if the phone is truly running out at this point. I'd also like to point out that I go from 100% to 70% in about 2 hours by just leaving the phone on, and then the phone will gradually run down at a more normal pace. I can't imagine Gmail plus checking the two other accounts every hour would suck the life our of the battery like this. Any solutions or theories? Is it just my battery? The software? Or is it just me? (I'm hoping it's the last one)
[Vibrant General] ryanolson7:
those of you that have been having GREAT results with the battery life... did you condition the battery? i'm curious to know if you did before you got your battery to last as long as it did
[Vibrant General] ninor:
If you really get this much battery out of yours... my battery must be defective!
[Vibrant General] hah2110:
Ya I don't get it. Android is just insanely inconsistent. It picks and choses who to give the best battery to. And I'm tired of people blaming it on widgets and crap. If those were draining battery, it would show up under Battery Use or the Battery History.
[Vibrant General] Welshy992:
Batteries today don't require conditioning.
[Vibrant General] Razius:
Battery Problem

Here is my situation. My battery on my Vibrant so far is worse then my Nexus One. An example of this is today. Off the charger at 6AM, texted someone for literally 5 minutes. Put phone back in pocket and worked until 3PM. At that point it beeped at me then shut down. So that is roughly 9 hours and it went completely dead. To compare to my Nexus which I have done the same thing with. The Nexus One would run from 6AM to 10PM and still have 25% battery left. I honestly don't know what the deal is with it. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

I have Facebook, Twitter, and the Buddies Now widget running. Facebook and Twitter update once an hour. Same as on my Nexus One.
[Vibrant General] kolyan:
battery readings in "About" are wrong.... had my phone unplugged since like 7-8 am and its now almost 7pm, and it shows 6 hours 20 min since unplugged...
[Vibrant General] Pneumatic:
Hit "Menu" and then "Refresh"
[Vibrant General] kolyan:
it already shows refreshed