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[XPERIA X10 Android Development] emuneee:
Sony Ericsson has an R&D site in California right outside of San Francisco (Redwood City I believe). They used to have one in Morrisville, North Carolina as well....I was a software engineer there before getting laid off...but my team leader got to hold on to their job and is now a lead Android test team leader at the San Francisco offices. So there is most definitely an R&D presence in the US.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] gavriel18:
My mission next time in cali- blackmail an se engineer :-)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] KingCifer:
nah my guess is they just hired loads of retarded people ...

for instance look at the customer support - they got people there that dont even know their products ...
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Findee:
Me to :-)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] jimlimb95:
They are android newbies the x10 was sony ericssons first android phone.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] kr3w1337:
Man something needs to move, either SE development team or XDA development team... this **** couldn't take longer...
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] ddewbofh:
And how are you helping the development?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Slave1:
We're relying on the skills and spare time of others here, so lets be a little more courteous. If you were doing someone a favour (for free) and all they did was ***** and moan about how long it was taking you, you’d work faster wouldn’t you? Yes or no? Lets not piss off these very helpful (and kind) developers.

Steps down from soap box
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] ofiveo:
Worst case scenario.. wait a few more weeks. Meh, I've waited long enough already and a few more weeks won't hurt
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] ixemun:
so how are these posts from the past 3 pages have anything to do with CyanogenMod? please people stay in topic or wait for updates from the devs, it shouldn't hurt to try
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] james_2k:
looks like the dev thread has sparked back into life, the devs were on holiday :)

you guys rock, go crack that mofo :)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] djsikhbeatsz:
I wish we could hit "like" on posts on here the same way you can on Facebook. LOL
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Araviel:
There are a chance one day to see an cyanogen release for x10 pls ?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] berbecverde:
Of course there is. Slim for now but it is there:D
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] CaseyB:
According to the Dev thread it looking better all the time!
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Heroic_Kaizer:
I happened to get a chance to play around with the Samsung Galaxy S Vibrant, and I must say, the screen on the that phone is out of this world. 2.1 is so much faster. Scrolling from screen to screen is so much faster and smoother. The Live Wallpaper is epic cool. I hope X10 can get this soon...
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] mezo9090:
Oh hello everyone, this is the fuss thread for the dev progress righy ? ::-P
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] brat81:
Dev thread is getting me very excited can't wait to have a public release of cyan on my x10i.

Guess in the next 2/3 days we find out how much more work needs to be done.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Greenarcher707:
I hope we do get the official update next month then CM6 thereafter.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] losdrivare:
About the progress in the dev thread, maybe I've misunderstood sth but isn't what they are working on right now how to flash custom 1.6 ROMs and that flashing 2.1 or 2.2 is harder and will take longer?

Still, while an intermediate goal, a cooked 1.6 would bring performance advantages with optimizations and removed bloat, as well as cooked-in customizations. :)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Chewitt:
Nope, its a mix, once you can get the bootloader to work how we want it to anything can be flashed.

Some are trying working on 1.6 and others on 2.2 but the end goal is the same, if we can put another 1.6 rom on the phone we can put 2.2 on it.

As for Progress, its not something you can really measure, you could think you have it soted hit a slight error and that take weeks to solve, or on the other hand fixing one error could just make it all work.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] D-Trixxx:
I am a big fan of the other hand in more ways than one... I've said too much

Keep up the great work devs!
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] saltorio:
LOL!

I so wish I could contribute to the bootloader cracking effort, but I have yet to even do the Hello World tutorial for Android, and my prior programming experience is irrelevant to this cause.

So all I can do is give moral support.

GO DEV TEAM!!! :D
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] HunteronX:
I feel the same...

But I'd like to give my thanks too.

From the looks of it, you'll have a working version soon. Keep up the good work! :)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] _calum_:
Same here!

All I do all day is program (with a little bit of hacking thrown into the mix ;-) ) - but I'm 100% Bill Gates' ***** :-) so no use to anyone at the moment...

Thanks to the devs for all their commitment and hard work.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] mmk92:
the devs atm are doing a way better job than SE's full time devs

GO DEVS!!
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] IxXxI:
The DEV TEAM is the best! :)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] KingCifer:
hmmm i guess thats isnt too hard :) - dont understand me wrong - i think our devs are doing an awesome job - but the people at SE are so retarded that i think even monkeys can do a better job then them (same for SE customer support)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Chewitt:
remember the SE people are working for max profit and not for the satisfaction of a minority group (yes we are classed as a minority group) the company i used to work for in the uk (till last week when i moved to another uk telecoms company) was on average selling 3 x10's a day per shop, thats 1800 a day our online side was selling 700+, so thats 2300 a day. Do the math, we are lucky if we are 10'000 strong on the "Enthusiast" side who want the latest android version.

Think of it the other way, SE developers spent time giving us the best hardware, and also design while testing the maket with 1.6. If the X10 went tits up they would have jumped back to UIQ/Symb but it hasnt and so they are now saying 2.1 is on the way and we will keep working to move forward (2.2) for them it makes sence now as the X10 range is a big hit with a high profit margin.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] arabesh:
I think with SE your are on a good road for future android upgrades/updates.

Just now they are not on the spot, but as far as i know sony is allready working on 3.0 and 3D support for android.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] vt2000:
Well, I guess you don;t understand how software company works. Do you think SE has dedicated team for each phone model they release? nope!

they probably have 10-20 guys working in Android department. They have one generic android project and multiple target platforms, including X10, X10 mini and some other new stuff we don't even know about. They do regular builds for each platform and then use automated tests to check that it works on every phone model.

They will not release new firmware before ALL high-priority issues on ALL hardware platforms are resolved. They have a release date which was anounced publicly so they will try to stay on target date.

Now our devs are dedicated to porting android to one hardware platform, they don't have the same constraint as a big company, thus they are much more agile.

I'm looking forward to see working Froyo on my X10, but personally i will prefer an official Eclair release over custom Froyo.

Being software developer myself I do appreciate work done both by our devs and by SE dev team.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Slave1:
Maybe Cyanogen and the team could offer their services to manuafacturers (on a freelance basis)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] lkakarotto:
I agree with Biktor 110%.

Sony is a hardware company, and for that I LOVE their hardware. Sturdy reliable hardware that will last you for years if you care enough about it.

But their software sucks. It's ALWAYS behind the competition, ALWAYS. Just look at their walkmans, their phones, their TVs, heck, look at the Ps3. It makes the Xbox360 feel like a 478 -P4, yet the Ps3 OS is way behind the Xbox OS and the whole XBL platform.

Have you ever seen the ZuneHD? It makes the latest walkman line look like a cheap sansa mp3 player, in both hardware and software... and that's just Microsoft's second try.

So, why do I have an X10? Because of people like Biktor, Jerpelea, Bin4ry and the whole Cyanogen mod. I want Sony's hardware, period :) I'll get rid of their software as soon as they make Cyanogenmod 6 happen on it.

Is it because I'm a desperate geek that NEEDS 2.2? No, I just love generic Android :) Even if it was 1.6, I just don't like proprietary skins... I gave one ALLELUYA when Google announced no more god damned skins for Android 3.0.

For the record, I don't hate Sony... I think the same about MOTOBLUR... BUT I think that, in hardware, Sony kicks too much ass to buy a Motorola, and the Ericsson mobile tech is just too good to leave it.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] maxld:
Last two posts are exactly what I think about Xperia's software, where the heck is "facebook style" like button ? :eek:
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] vt2000:
@biktor_gj: my comment was a reply to the following post:

>hmmm i guess thats isnt too hard - dont understand me wrong - i think our devs are >doing an awesome job - but the people at SE are so retarded that i think even >monkeys can do a better job then them (same for SE customer support)

unfortunately I clicked quick reply so it did not quote original message.

I agree with your comments, I bet you have much better knowledge of SE internal business structure than I am. I just find the statements like "SE developers are retarded" totally unacceptable.

I've been using SE phones for quite a long time. I loved my P990 although it had both hardware and software flaws and I remember posts in forums blaming SE for creating flagship device that does not have enought memory, slow CPU, etc. But design was always top-notch.

SE went a long way from P990 and it learned lessons well. They dropped UIQ and started looking for a platform that will best support their top-of-the-line hardware.

So they tried WM, Symbian S60, and now Android.

Can anyone recall at least one phone manufacturer who came up with the market leader phone that did not have at least one major flaw? let's see: Apple - every iphone version had major issues like low sound, bad reception, draining batteries. Nokia - N97 is a disaster!!!! Samsung? took them years to come up with Galaxy S, but still it has issues. RIM? it's version 6 of balckbary os and users still complain. And we can go on and on.

I think that the most important that we have a beautifully crafted high-spec piece of hardware - X10. And the good point is that 99% of problems and complains are in software. Software bugs can be fixed, hardware bugs will require new phone.

So good luck to our devs. i'll be the first one to test your froyo port on my x10.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Contrarian:
Like everyone else I agree - hardware is good, software sux. Hell, Ive even gone back to my E71 (forgive me guys) for everyday use until cyanogenmod for the x10 family is successfully ported and running smoothly.

IMO Android is still a work in development and won't achieve its full potential for a few generations to come. Fortunately it's a lot more flexible than Symbian, so thanks to developers like Jerpelea and Co we'll get there a lot quicker than the phone manufacturers can take us.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] vt2000:
Looks like here's an official release date for Eclair (taken from tweeter)

@KOR_9S We can only confirm that the upgrade to Android 2.1 is due for release before the end of September this year. We hope this helps.

as for 2.2 release:

@satbelg Hi Etienne, We can currently only confirm the details regarding the upcoming Android 2.1 upgrade.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] robbyf66:
there are 2 business days remaining of the month, lol not likely going to happen.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] ptesmoke:
what planet are u on where its september already?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] robbyf66:
I'm tired and clearly need sleep, I'm sorry. I'm from the future and the update hasn't come out. don't act surprised
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] eazyrider:
:confused:

WTF do you live? I'm in the uk and it's still the 27 August 2010.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] mezo9090:
Time Zones lol , its 15 september here :D:D
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] beno1:
He's ET and wants to phone home... Its already September on his planet, but he needs 2.1 because Google Planetary calls doesnt work on Android 1.6... :(

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[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Sighx:
Totally agree. I really need to leave this planet. However, my home planet is way too advance in technology that andriod 3.0 is out and they're already planning 4.0! 1.6 can't reach! ha kidding

Good to hear news on the development at least :)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] pulpoff:
Actually E71 is one hell of a phone ! :)

Using it as main device and X10 as secondary ..
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] diggfurious:
Yeah. But I want 2.2 for my x10 and flash and eventually a netflix streaming app that was supposed to co-launch with the iPhone/ipod touch
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] arizhasan:
looks like se will be beating our developers this time, September is upon us, and we don't have anything yet. looks like we will have to update our phones with se provided eclair and not the shiny new froyo. well!
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Chewitt:
SE wont beat our dev's as we are working on 2.2 not 2.1 + our dev's are getting close.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] kr3w1337:
I'm going to have a race between our developers figuring out this thing, sony getting their **** ready and Rogers releasing the captivate ... That should entertain me for a while instead of going mad trying to follow this.

I have a feeling the developers will win actually. Rogers is releasing their phone somewhere between September 11-13.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] wewewawa06:
yep，i hope so
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] vt2000:
I'm following the dev thread but can't understand what are the problems they're trying to slove now. I will appreciate if one of our devs could lay down outstanding issues as of now.

I'm sure we (non devs) can contribute to their work by searching for solutions of similar issues on other devices. let our guys do the dev work and we'll do the research.

I also suggest that we do not post our search results to dev forum, but instead use this one.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] arizhasan:
well that's the point, we don't really know if it is 2.1,2.2 or 1.6 customised. like everyone I am also following the dev thread, there was time when they talked about at least posting a way to customised 1.6. now there discussion mostly consists if technical jargons so none of us really knows what is going on. when this started,I too was rooting for our devs, but since then if we are to believe that se will come true of releasing their firmware by the end of September, that's the only Ray of hope I see of this android update tunnel. no doubt our devs will get it eventually, but if se releases it first, it'll be mostly moot. the response wouldn't be as compared to the situation otherwise. not to mention the other released firmwares for other phones have some issues or the other mostly with camera and GPS, which can only be fixed after a beta version is released, people download it, report the bugs and the devs can again join their brilliant minds together to fix them. so considering this whole process,I think se will beat our devs for an update. for me,I will go for a 2.1 if it comes out first. am tired of the 1.6 and the call volume issue which is supposed to be taken care by se in this release.

note to the devs: this is in no manner a question on your hard work and ability, am merely stating by looking at the current scenario. please don't block me when you release your mod :)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] saltorio:
The devs are working on cracking the bootloader. That's been the goal all along, because once they do that devs and ROM chefs can create ROMs of any OS to load onto our beloved X10s. The discussions over in the dev thread mostly revolve around pursuing different exploits that may yield success on the final goal.

The dev comments regarding different OS versions mostly have to do with what ROMs they're using to test their methods and ultimately looking at pushing onto the X10. But don't get confused, as once the bootloader is cracked everything's open.

The modified 1.6 ROMs would likely be an interim step prior to a full bootloader crack, though how long that stage might last is anyones guess (the original Droid still doesn't have a cracked bootloader IIRC).

I still have faith in the devs here. As others have stated, they're working blowing the X10 wide open and giving us FroYo (and eventually Gingerbread even). So far, SE has only committed to Eclair, with a late-September release period.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Chewitt:
As above, they are working on a lot,

But they HAVE cracked the loader and can get it to load other things its just far from user friendly, or even stable yet and as the devs always want to give us all the best possible experience as with when the handset was rooted, it wasnt thrown straight to the massses for people to kill there phones.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] droidier:
Chewitt's right...they're taking time to get the build stable and 'easy-to-install' for the masses (including me) :o)

Cheers!
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Contrarian:
Perhaps people will finally appreciate why SE are taking so long to release a 2.1 update. I'd rather a stable bootloader than some hack which bricks my phone or renders it unusable. The developers here know what they're doing, so leave them to it.

I have no doubt we'll have 2.2 on our phones before the SE update.

Thanks again to dev's for their effort. Without you guys we'd all be stuffed.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] xrCore:
Might pick up an X10 soon if I switch to AT&T. Glad to know CM6 will be on it soon :D

Or I might wait for the G2. Who knows.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] losdrivare:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but when/if the devs release a stable and user-friendly bootloader, there is still a way to go before we can have stable and fully working 2.1 or 2.2 custom ROMs, because then there dependencies and drivers that needs to be made working?

Still a good thing that the official 2.1 ROM is expected in 3-4 weeks. :)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Chewitt:
Luckily the x10, Desire and N1 all are similar so it wont be hard to port it all over.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] ddewbofh:
You're partly right. There ought to be some parts of the phone we won't have full support of but most hardware have either open drivers or drivers written for other phones we can use. So while there probably will be some tweaking necessary I'm making a qualified guess that once we get a cracked bootloader we'll have custom, working, ROMs within 24 hours.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] zdzihu:
This ^^^^^
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] MeZmeriZe_:
Engadget reports se uk have said 2.1 rolls sometime before the end of sept.... so we could have 2.1 in a week or two..... one way or another, i am done with 1.6 soon.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] rodolfo7171:
according to the dev thread there is no need to load new drivers because they are using the drivers that are already loaded in the kernal. and as for which version of android the devs are working on some are working on a stable 1.6 while others are working on a 2.2. they are close they can get the custom rom to load and everything seams to work but it keeps rebooting. so they are working on finalizing that.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] saltorio:
Not I.

SE has taken 5 months so far (since releasing the X10), and it will likely be another month before 2.1 gets out to the masses. It shouldn't take half a year to port your UI to an updated OS, and it's not like SE has to go through the effort of cracking their own bootloader to do it.

Corporate lunacy is to blame, not quality control. Afterall, look at the state of the release firmware to see that SE doesn't take initial QC very seriously.

Cheers to that!
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] losdrivare:
I agree. And they are not even updating it to "an updated OS", they are updating to 2.1 which has been out since January. And if they don't want to keep the phone updated themselves, why did they lock down the bootloader so hard..? It just makes no sense. /End OT

Good to hear that it's not a big issue with drivers and dependencies. And here I was, trying not to get my hopes up. :)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] unknown13x:
u do know that the 2.1 is not just 2.1 right? They're adding alot more stuff to the stock 2.1, and I'm talking hardware-enabled features. That 5 months are being paid off in less than 3 months since we're getting ANOTHER big update in December. So we're getting 2 updates total for the 2.1. What's after I cannot say.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] djsikhbeatsz:
keyword there being expected. when's the last time you actually had an update that came out on the day that it was announced it would be out?? all we can do is hope that the update comes out within the month, but as we all know it is unlikely to happen. therefore we already know our devs are better than SE as it is. lets just let them do their work so we can all be happy. if they even get a stable bootloader working, 2.1 and 2.2 will be around the corner like it's nothing:D
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] arizhasan:
moreover se has not mentioned whether it is a global release or phased release of the update. but I think if we have a generic firmware, it shouldn't be an issue
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] ddewbofh:
Well they have mentioned that it is a phased update. They've stated that "selected markets" would be getting it beginning in the end of Q3.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] rbowring:
Ive just been informed by a reliable source that it will be released on 29th sep in uk :-)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] arizhasan:
well then if the source is correct, and we consider the fact that last update about the update was on se UK twitter page, that means it could take a couple of weeks for others to get it. but having played with nokia and their product codes in the past,I think we rooted guys who have a generic firmware will be able to get it. fingers crossed.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] JamesBarnes:
Thanks for the update biktor, its appreciated :)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] HunteronX:
Same from me too - thanks guys!

I can at least partly see how difficult this is for you guys. You're doing everything from scratch!

I hope that you can get at least 1.6 custom ROM working! :)

(Actually, I'm not sure if ROM is the right word/abbreviation for this...)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Creptio:
Yeah, Thanks biktor, good to see some nice progression on getting the custom roms.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Findee:
I was getting so worried about the lack of updates :-)

Thanks to all the devs :-)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] brat81:
What was the result from that guy who said he had a 2.1 rom
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Luhccas-X10:
Maybe giving love to girlfriend :rolleyes:
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Contrarian:
I'm still rooting for the bootloader though. Cyanogen mod 6 would be better than se 2.1 imho.

as far as frenchie with 2.1, we're still waiting for proof. mods closed the thread because of too much flaming.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] tigger69:
Imo he was a liar.

Our team on here are gonna do it for us :)