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[XPERIA X10 Android Development] neptun2:
Unfortunately X10 has different hardware comparing to X8 and x10 mini. As i see teh focus is currently on X10 so if we get custom rom it will probably be later. Also another thing that i see is that the custom 2.1 rom will appear first. They probably use the drivers from sony 2.1 rom to make the custom rom work with sony hardware. Unfortunately for X8 we do not even have sony 2.1 update yet. Good news are that as i see x10 mini and x8 are very similar regarding their hardware (only the display and camera are different) so maybe if someone make custom 2.1 rom for x10 mini it will be usable with few modifications on x8 also. If i can help in any way with tests, files or whatsoever with my x8 for the developing of custom rom for it please contact me.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] mohdameer:
might not be relevant, but

http://blog.techsick.com/guides-tutorials/install-guide-for-ps-jailbreak-ps3-modchip/

ps3 has been jailbreaked. might be helpful in cracking the bootloader.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Alakasam:
Exactly what I was thinking :P
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] mad-murdock:
Not sure if I said this here before, but breaking the x10 is the first break of a sony device. The first time usually takes the longest. Once that is done, the other devices by the same vendor, using the same or nearly equal security, is much more easy. The build up know hire from the first break speeds up t things a lot.

Take htc for example. it took a long time, since all three steps (root, recovery, s-off) where done and contained user friendly install methods. If you watch the new desire hd now, it was all in a flash. In about three days, all steps were achieved and the first custom roms and kernels showed up.

What I wanna say to all you x8 and mini guys, my guts is totty don't have to wait this long once x10 is properly broken (and not bricked :)

Swyped with HTC Desire. Excuse typos.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] dlynes:
Android 2.1 for Xperia S10

Fwiw, Xperia S10 2.1 update is out for Rogers Mobility in Canada, now.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] ixemun:
I take it he's saying that we should use the PS3's CELL processor to crack the bootloader XD
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] djkidy123:
Can we flash CyanogenMod with xRecovery, like custom ROM???
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] freco:
Noop... To flash cyanogen needs bootloader to be cracked. Not yet done though.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] mmarjan:
I read somewhere that multi-touch is coming in Q1 in 2011 with OTA update. By the way multi-touch can be implemented with capacities display its software issue
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] dfan:
The Sony rep said that they can get pseudo multi-touch going. He figured dual-touch would arrive, but that the cheapass screen Sony chose won't ever support the real deal...

... just like it will never support true colour.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] mmarjan:
and what if the bootloader is cracked and we can instal froyo 2.2.1 and CM?Will the multi-touch work then. Sane hapend with HTC Mytouch 3g when i instal froyo 2.2.1 it has multi-touch otherwise dont have?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Whitecookie:
NO! The Touch-Chip of Xperia is not really compatible with multitouch. Its not a software problem its because of the hardware. :p

So we have to wait for the "pseudo multitouch" and more we will not become!

cheers:D
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] mmarjan:
Damn! What is the diference from pseudo MT to regular MT???
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Whitecookie:
Look at This Video...

The guy from Sony Ericsson shows what the problem is in multitouch^^:D
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] mmarjan:
It's not so bad anyway it will not be the full multitouch but it wil be good
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] arj154:
it seems that there may be hope yet for the cyangen mod on the x10! There's an experienced dev who may try and crack the x10 which could be veeery good for us.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] setaseti:
hope they get it run on the X10, this would be nice.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] dfan:
It looks like they will need to fork over some cash to get access.

Everybody who is going to benefit from FroYo, Gingerbread, etc. had better be ready to donate!!!
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] arj154:
not necessarily, i think it was a dead end as that flasher was used for the older sony feature phone OS.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] cjsabaki:
Cyanogenmod.... getting closer.. thank you tripNRaVer.... hmmmm...2.2 froyo or 2.3 ginger bread..
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Vilam:
What ???
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] vivaldi891:
Trip is working on it :)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Vilam:
So what ? this is the same bootloader, right ?

And a cyanogenMod with SE kernel is not really a CM :(
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] leobg:
So what? Motorola Milestone got such CM6 mod (on stock kernel) and it is damn near perfect!
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] trixter66:
Well from what it looks like ...on my phone ,its cm6 .We havent got a cracked bootloader yet (but its bein worked on) but I have all the features from cm6 although dont have ext4 for obvious reasons.Check out trips site for a progress report on the cyanogen rom
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] adrianoftyriel:
And where exactly do we find Trip's site? I can't seem to find any reference to it.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] trixter66:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=917956 Heres the link.Look for a post from earlier today by me called Cyanogen progress report.The thread hasnt been renamed yet as the rom is only released later tonight but I have the rom and have tested it fully so it gives insight into whats going on with it.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] arj154:
thats pretty awesome! I didnt think I'd have a reason to switch from zdzihu's 2.2.1 but if both the camcorder and camera are working then im very tempted to switch! Kudos to him although i dont understand why he doesnt work with zdzihu and jerplea.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] lunatik49:
still no link to download and try it ? :)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] puncosorock:
this is pretty cool. Where is the post?

Sent from my X10i using Z froyo galaxy theme.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] puncosorock:
A ny news? About the link.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] mackdaddy187:
Sorry for being a noob but does this mean CM is definitely coming to the X10?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] ddewbofh:
No. Chances are good but it's not guaranteed.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] mixxy:
thanks for the update
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] muchski:
Great update!

Interesting find with the MT driver! As far as bootloader and CM6: I know you guys will crack it soon! WAY TO GO! :D
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] HunteronX:
Thanks also - I would love to help you guys, but I wouldn't know where to begin. This bootloader stuff is too 'low-level' for me, if you know what I mean...
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] gavriel18:
Thanks for the update and good luck!
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] rico761028:
I am (sorry for the pun) rooting for you!
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Chad_Petree:
so the bootloader was finally broken?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] killerskincanoe:
nope, i think we would have heard about it if it was.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] maxld:
No news for 5 days...
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] HunteronX:
I'd like to know what's going on too...
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Mobzter:
Patience.. theyre prob working on a problem! I'm sure if they have good news they will post! wish u guyz the best of luck!! thanx
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] urs74:
Looks like it has as per Jerpelea in the Custom Rom thread.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=7370940&postcount=91
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] rico761028:
This is indeed going to be an interesting wednesday...
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] robbyf66:
So bootloader is hacked? Or just the firmware is patched and ready for hack?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] cvchetan:
firmware ready... bootloader still not hacked :-(
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] biktor_gj:
Like always, there is progress, but you know how it works, one day you get nothing, and the next one you can have it all up & running.

Right now these are the things which are being worked on:

Bootloader: fix boot issues, mtd r/w

ROM: Cyanogenmod 6

Other: Root for the X10 Mini Pro

Can't say whether it will be tomorrow, I only hope we'll get the bootloader completely up & running soon, otherwise I'll have to work on holidays and I really don't want that ;)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] sim-value:
1 Q : are you devs actually able to boot up your own kernels?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Nimche:
I hope you are not talking about Xmas?:D
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Bin4ry:
Fast answer:

Kernel boots if radio is stopped. If not it crashes.

Regards

Bin4ry
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] thor2002ro:
finnaly some news...
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] rocketpaul:
progress, so does that mean we wont be locked out of the bootloader like the milestone.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Fuzalert2k:
Yeah. C'mon, we don't have a chip that will self-destruct the phone when someone hacks into the bootloader. The milestone has specific hardware preventing it to be hacked and the X10 deos it. So we're well off.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] mixxy:
ur thinking about the droid x, and that rumor was put to rest by Moto shortly after the story was published.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] ddewbofh:
Put to rest by saying that: "Yes, there is an efuse built in". But then again so does pretty much every phone with an OMAP3 in it, it's a feature of the chip. It's nothing new, although Motorola might actually use it according to their engineers. The official statement is pretty much: "We won't kill your phone, but you won't run anything but approved software."
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] biktor_gj:
They exactly said if you try to flash something which is not from us the phone will send you to recovery, which is exactly the same behaviour as the X10 & x10 mini.

So far the thing is mostly capable of booting, but there are quite huge problems with it, for example, the inhability to boot with enabled radio. Also, if that weren't enough, if you flash usbloader the way it is, the phone won't boot again, it's just capable of warm booting. That's a big part of what's being worked out right now, hence the lack of updates.

I'm personally disassembling S1 loader to get all the initialization sequence. Then it's a huge copy paste here and there and see if the thing does the job ;)

But that all takes time, and I'm not having much lately... as I always say, still working on it ;)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] bloke:
Thanks for the update, appreciated :D

Bloke
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] CaseyB:
Your efforts are greatly appreciated! Is there somewhere to donate to the cause to help the effort along? The X10 is such an amazing piece of hardware that it's a shame how the software is holding it back!
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] freco:
I 'm sure most of us who donate for the root, will donate for the custom roms too. I sure will. :-)

Thanks for your effort devs.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] HunteronX:
Thanks from me, too. :)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] instigator008:
Looks like some good news on the dev thread regarding a fix for the kernal crashing problem! Goroh is working on a release version!
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] nihonjintaylor:
Oh Hell Yeah!

This is what we've all been waiting for :D. (er well, at least me :D.)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] saltorio:
Goroh_kun's post from the dev thread:

WOOT!
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] TechGuru_x10:
FROYO is coming..............I am so happy
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] CaseyB:
We all are! Why else would be be here! ;)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] ooidort:
OOooooohhh yeaaahh! I'll cross my fingers for getting Froyo on my X10 before SE releases Eclair. That would be a serious "up yours" for the SE development team. :D
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] FRiKiNFRoG:
It will be I'm pretty sure :)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] HunteronX:
goroh_kun is brilliant!

I think we should be able to boot the cyanogen rom with the new release.

(When it is released.)

But does this mean that the only obstacle is flashing the SPL now?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] robbyf66:
If i've been following along and understand this, they can flash everything as of recent post, how ever it's either going to work, or brick. so ya. looks like 1 more step before stable release
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Vilam:
Amazing !

I got a little question for dev : will we be able to use the cyanogen update app ?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] saltorio:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but we would still need ROM devs to modify CM for the X10 wouldn't we (with proper device drivers and such). As such, people shouldn't expect that when a bootloader crack is released we'll be install CM6 that day.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Creptio:
saltorio, jerpelea has already released one for the xperia x10 (sorry I cant quote I'm a new user)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Findee:
No, they have released a very early build of it. They are still in the process of writing the drivers etc for the x10 as they have still only released build 00005.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Creptio:
ahh ok, thanks for the correction
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] xGary:
Noob question cause I dont understand how progressive those progresses are. Any aprx date that it will be fully ready? Before the SE 2.1 update?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] h.boushi1987:
i guess the process is too slow since the root so i think se will realese 2.1 before our devlopers but we will have 2.2 by the time they do it.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] urs74:
We still have almost 2 months still until SE's promised 2.1 update do plenty of time
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Findee:
Quote from Sony Ericsson's blog

'We are today happy to confirm that all of these phones will now get the update to Android 2.1 from the latter part of Q3"

So we have to wait one month.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] kzkalra:
Or two months :) Aug and September
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] rocketpaul:
I personally can wait, the update will be like having a new phone again.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Slave1:
So then, 61 days to go!
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] kzkalra:
62 days LOL
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] robbyf66:
last 8 post off topic, google off topic information please.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] naveen_reloaded:
:d:d:d:d:d:d:d:d:d:d

lol
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Slave1:
Don't see how? We were talking about the timescales involved in the prospective SE 2.1 update as someone had asked whether we'd have CM6 before an official 2.1. Maybe you'd like to Google "Posting pointless coments".
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] robbyf66:
maybe all you need to do is look at a calendar so I don't need to have pointless discussions like this and WASTE every ones time including my self.

discussing time scales, ya that's ok, discussing what Q3 is for 3-5 post, not fine.

feel free to disagree and have your own opinion but now I'm off topic, mod, feel free to delete this pointless post.

if you care to reply, do it in my inbox so nobody else has to read this junk.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] ddewbofh:
It's not really fair to compare CMod with the official SE releases for a number of reasons. First off the SE ROMs are massively customized, far beyond what CyyanogenMod is. Secondly CMod for all it's greatness is a hack, official ROMs are supported by the companies themselves meaning that you don't have to rely on forums for official support.

As for how discussing CMod in comparison with the SE releases and their timeframe is off-topic is beyond me. Conversations, robbyf66, aren't static. They evolve and change as new information and other input is added so yelling OT is really uncalled for. It's almost a given to compare the upcoming official updates in a thread discussing the upcoming hacked ROM to see how they compare both feature-wise as well as development times and timeframes.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] arj154:
anyway back on topic, are they generally finding ways to easily hack the bootloader for the average person or are they working on driver support for the CM6 mod? Im a bit confused as to what there working on in the dev only thread.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] nihonjintaylor:
From what I understand they're editing things so we're able to flash CM6 onto the phone using the same method as we were able to root it.

Just in modifying some files it made other files stop working and they're fixing that.

If I'm wrong then ^^;

That's just what i've gotten out of reading that thread and this one :D.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] mezo9090:
No matter what they are doing, it's just too hard for me to understand. :)

sent from my x10i that is banging for a 2.1 upgrade. ...
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] naveen_reloaded:
will there be xperia specific CM mods ? i like threaded messaging ...
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] CaseyB:
Android has always has threaded messaging! That is in no way specific to the X10. There will need to be a specific X10 version however, since it will need completely different hardware drivers than other devices.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] ddewbofh:
Not necessarily, the X10 is a snapdragon device. Meaning that it shares drivers with others like the Desire or Droid X.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] cvchetan:
The x10 does not share components other than the processor with the desire. So the other components need their own drivers..
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] pejmany:
Haha most of the main components are on the chip. Its an all in one;

Gpu

Radios (gps, gsm, bluetooth, wifi)

Etc etc

That's as far as I got from the threads anyways.

What they're doing is trying to get the dev bootloader working or some alternative bootloader (again, far as I got it)

They're using usbboot and fastboot to flash things into the bootloader so that's the only conclusion I came up with.

Then once we have bootloader allowing us to put custom roms, we have cyanogen.

Oc, we lose the rachael mod, but of no one ports it I'll do it myself. At least we have the current and eclair builds to look off of.

Anyways, clearing up for anyone?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] ddewbofh:
I'm curious. What other components than the cpu, gpu, radios, wlan, storage, chipset, bluetooth and battery can you think of? According to the specs for the Snapdragon platform the hardware mentioned is on that platform. Meaning that any and all Snapdragon devices have those in common.

There are some components that might need some driver tweaking, the touchscreen and camera comes to mind, but those are fairly standard and should'nt take too much effort. I know for a fact that the SE camera uses v4l which means that those drivers are either open source or even in the mainline kerneltree. The worst case would be a recompile.

As for the touchscreen, there are only so many ways to implement one. It's incredibly unlikely that SE has gone out of their way to make a wholly different interface for that "just because".

So again, which drivers apart from the ones mentioned are you thinking would need writing?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] pejmany:
I'm pretty sure just the touchscreen, led flashlight and camera were in question xD
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] CaseyB:
Getting rid of the Rachael UI is one of the best reasons to have customs roms on the X10 imo. It's buggy and slow and Mediascape is not at all intuitive and Timescape is utterly worthless!
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] cvchetan:
if that was the case the x10 would have FM radio hardware just like the desire/nexus, the x10 uses a atheros WIFI chip(if u search for it ull find it) unlike the desire/nexus, if it was the case, then kernel modding would not be needed to get evo roms onto the desire/nexus which sadly is not the case, the hd2 with the same hardware as the desire still cannot run android without kernel modification..
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] mixxy:
hmm i c. well at this time, where are the devs with working on the bootloader? last big progress i read about in the devs thread was, or so i thought, the bootloader being cracked..

ive tried to keep up with their discussion, but its like another language to me, would you care to speculate whats the next step in their process?
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] scottxperia10:
@ mixxy I don't really understand much of the terminology the devs are currently using either. However what I do get is that they can boot a cm6 image(via a usb loader I think). They seemed to have problems with various stuff crashing in cm6 (radios?) which they now seem to be finding a workaround for. Apparently the cm6 worked fine if radios were off. This new tweaking will make everything functional and stable. As well as finding a way for the non devs to reliably boot a stable image. As eager as I am to get the cm6 I for one would like to thank the devs for taking the time to make sure that any release is stable and as intended. Not trying to be smart just my take on it. :-)

Sent from my X10i using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] pejmany:
So is wifi and fm separate or is everything seperate?

I didn't know, thanks for the clarification.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] mixxy:
ah nice, thanks for the xplanation (hehe). i sold my original xperia only to regret it in case any movements happened with the dev scene.

i use a nexus daily, but i love the xperia as well. so i went out and bought another xperia muahahahaha =)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] mezo9090:
Thx i hope you keep translating the devs thread to our english :-)

sent from my x10i that is banging for a 2.1 upgrade. ...
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] ddewbofh:
Edit: Accidently removed the actual answer. :)

The wifi is separate but there's a kernel driver for it, so it will work. The FM radio bit is a little more difficult since there is no actual FM receiver in the phone. ;) When radio is talked about in the context of cellphones it's usually about the cellular parts of it, the actual phone bits.

Luckily the "kernel modification" in this case isn't much more than toggling a switch in the .config file so recompiling will have that sorted. Naturally this assumes that SE isn't using a custom driver shim that just happens to share its name with a mainline kernel driver.

That's the beauty of android, binary compatibility isn't as critical as with winmobile devices since you can just roll your own kernel. Once we have a bootloader we're good to go. :)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] ardf69:
The bootloader isn't cracked. What they did is to create a new bootloader to run in SE android to launch a new android environment. There's a lot to do before flashing this bootloader as main bootloader.

Ciao Angelo
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Teio:
agreed.

Sent from my X10i
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Makkish:
Seems like the development has got stuck:-(
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] maxld:
No news don't mean stuck :)
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] mezo9090:
I hope so too...

sent from my x10i that is banging for a 2.1 upgrade. ...
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] robbyf66:
No news means there playing on.. 2. 2 haha
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Zykatious:
Or they're busy at work. I seem to notice most things happen at the weekend so they may not even be working on it right now.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] mezo9090:
Good thinking :-)

sent from my x10i that is banging for a 2.1 upgrade. ...
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] x10klemi:
Anything new about CM for x10
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] IxXxI:
i changed it to an htc desire now i have froyo an it is rooted
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] rocketpaul:
lol i have left for a galaxy s , i still of the x10 on standby though.
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] Devtone:
I F**KING hate Samsung, still thinking to swap my X10 for the G S :(
[XPERIA X10 Android Development] kr3w1337:
Thinking about getting myself a samsung captivated as well first chance I get.