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[Windows Phone 7 General] geronemo:
I believe the smartphone market (except the iphone) is moving forward too fast.

I mean if you are an iphone user, you know that they have a new phone coming out every year and if you buy their latest and greatest than you can enjoy it for a year to say the least until the next one comes out, i respect apple for that.

Now look at the Droids:

November 2009 Droid

April 2010 Droid Incredible

July 2010 Droid X

Now Droid 2

There seems to be an egotistical war between HTC and Motorola :D

For someone who bought the Droid in Nov. pretty much feels miserable because their so called "high end" phone of Nov. isn't so high end anymore.

HTC, Motorola do not give a dime, they just want to come out and sell as many phones as possible so their market share goes up and so do their stocks etc etc.

The above are just examples of how fast our devices are getting old with manufactures constantly upgrading their specs.

Now WinMo 7 isn't an upgrade to WinCe 6.5, its a totally new platform and there was always a question mark on HD2 being upgraded or not.

Face it guys, the awesome specs of HD2 are already starting to get old :(

No super AMOLED screen

No 8 MP camera sensor

No 720p video recording

No front facing camera

Now "The Easy Solution"

If you guys love the HD2 like i do, than keep using it till you are eligible for an upgrade (remember we still have our friends at xda for keep doing amazing stuff on the HD2).

If you want the latest and the greatest Win 7 device than ebay or craiglist your HD2 and buy the new WinMo 7 when it comes out, or do an early upgrade if your eligible and still ebay or craiglist your HD2.

Remember:

"It's no use crying over spilt milk" :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] SE19050042:
hey,this is the first reply. sorry about my english

i'm having a HD2,i recon if someone export any video driver from a wp7 based snapdragon phone, i am pretty happy to stick with wm6.5.x on my HD2

first, i never liked the theme on windows phone 7,

as most hardware match wp7 requirement. i think any new app will suport wm6.5 on HD2 as well. if not, a simple netframe patch will fix that easy.(i m not a developer, sorry if i get it wrong). afterall i dont think MS will luanch a tatally different coding system for many exsist WM6.X user.

about the new feture such as "Tombstone","zume""xbox live" and etc. i dont fell much difference without these, sometimes new feature also means MANY BUGs.

this is what thought of WP7
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
If you're trying to say that new apps will work on WM6.X, that is definitely not the case. It truly is a whole new API that is not supported on WM today. Would it be possible to bring up the Silverlight and XNA frameworks to work on WM6? I never say never but it is extremely highly unlikely.
[Windows Phone 7 General] 5achin:
if not WP7 then Android

Like everyone before me has said, the only choice we have as HD2 owners is either to wait hope that the awesome devs at XDA to develop a WP7 port, or we can switch over to the android wagon.

Android is running pretty smoothly off my SD card ATM, and if development keeps going the speed it has been going so far, we should probably have Android ROMs for HD2 in a couple of months.....

so either way, HD2 owners have 2 options to upgrade to a newer more sleeker OS, whether it be WP7 or Android. (this is ofcourse assuming that there might be a WP7 port done by XDA devs)

I stopped caring about WP7 upgrade the day i booted froyo on my HD2, and I'm just hopefull that it can eventually replace WinMo...
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
If you blame HTC then get ready to blame them again. They will do the exact same thing with WP7. They are a hardware company, and this is how they make their money.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
I guess HTC won, because Motorola won't be making any WP7 devices any time soon. ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] gm112:
You're right, that's exactly how they make their money, and it works because people still continue to buy devices just like that :P. I'm happy with my HTC Fuze even though it's a bit behind the times.
[Windows Phone 7 General] arasheps:
Hummingbird have the same processor unit as the A4 but its Gpu is more powerful, microsoft stated that launch processor is snapdragon, which they are working closely about it with Qualcomm, but they didn't stated which snapdragon, there's snapdragons in the work that are more powerful than hummingbird.

And for the ones who are crying after HD2, you took a risk back then when you bought it, as i was tempted to, but now let it go, windows mobile is going to be supported, so even if the hardworking guys efforts in porting WP7 to HD2 didn't work out you aren't stocked with a dumbphone! embedded for handhelds give me some hopes for post ce5 drivers for the current phones as well.

SO PLEASE let it go!
[Windows Phone 7 General] PreVayl:
Hey i bought the HD2 and i could care less if they cant port wp7. im gonna drop the hd2 and pick up the new one. Im not crying over it. I dont attach myself to specific things. I attach myself to what ever is the best, so when wp7 comes and its the best in specs and etc. that will be my new fav. People dont get to attached to just one peace of tech, tech worl changes everyday, so just attach yourself to the tech movement. and...move on;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] nutpants:
i have had a samsung omnia 2 now for 2 months.

and i can say that after 6 windows mobile phones over 10 years it will be the last windows based phone i will ever buy. what where they thinking?

i will be going to android as soon as its ported over to the omnia 2

i was seriously disappointed with wm6.5 and finding quality apps is getting harder and harder. and support even harder yet.

as soon as i can get a replacement for my phone i will be on the android wagon.

and good bye to M$

nuts
[Windows Phone 7 General] blunden:
Sure, some drivers and the apps for Google-specific services are closed source. The rest is open source though and if you have compatible drivers you can build a fully working build of Android from AOSP. More and more drivers are open-sourced too.

For iOS, everything except the kernel is closed source as far as I know. No version even close to feature-complete can be built from source. I doubt you can even make a build with the GUI. If you can prove med wrong on this last statement, please go ahead. I'd welcome it. :)

To get back on topic, I don't see why anyone would've expected current WinMo-phones to be upgraded. The HD2 has been out for a while so it's not like HTC released just before the new OS came out and that it would be a major overhaul has been known ever since the demoed it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tiwas:
Wake up and smell the air of innovation! I, too, have HD2, and HTC was actually hinting about it being upgradable. However, I don't mind because I think WM7 is butt ugly, and it won't allow skinning. So, I'll stick to my skinnable WM6.5 :)

Now, the reason why MS is saying three, and exactly three, buttons. This and that processor etc etc is because they've failed before trying to cater to a too big market. One of the reasons why iPhone is so stable and user friendly is because they're already doing this - they're even going further in limiting hardware.

With less hardware options and less considerations for third party modifications MS will have a much better and more stable OS. They won't have to listen to people *****ing about WM because of unstable third party drivers. They won't have to listen to *****ing about slow UI because of poor skinning engines etc etc. They will benefit greatly from this, and that will put them in a position to make WM8 even better - maybe even usable ;)

For now, I'll stay with WM6.5 and if I switch, I will switch to android. In time I might switch to WM7 if they do something about that god-awful UI :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] gm_vel:
wm7 for htc fuze

Is that possible htc fuze for windows7, if its possible then when will be the rom is officially released for fuze
[Windows Phone 7 General] HD2Owner:
i contacted htc support for the 3rd time about os-upgrade for the hd2 (6.5.X or wp7)....

today i received this answer (translated to english with babelfish):

Reference of future software or ROM update I can be only conditionally helpful you. HTC works with the appropriate partners on numerous updates. Unfortunately we can not commentate concerning the devices, which or no update will possibly receive..........cannot announce us for safety reasons ...... Any information for this will be announced to you on our web page, Facebookseite and Twitter..................... If the software Windows Phone7 were completely finished and successfully to the end one tested, we receive these and can you to that to end customers at the disposal put. Microsoft has us yet does not confirm which devices an update on Windows Phone7 to be received.

that means the decision is up to ms and they are still unsure about it or he doesn't really know what he is talking about (or maybe this "support strategy" is used to keep hd2-sales up).

think about the enormeous first day sales of wp7 (all phones of ms employees and testers, all hd2 devices in the wild and all sales combined)...

millions of first-day-sales even if they wouldn't sell a single device....

just a few thoughts... :-) ms should really think about this if they really want to establish wp7 fast and way too late........

hopefully da_g/cotulla and co. will get wp7 running on the hd2 anyways...
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
Unless Microsoft has completely changed their mind (not happening) he doesn't really know what he is talking about.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lathera:
ive heard some place thru a rusian sorce that the hd2 will be getting a wp7 upgrade but not right away....
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
I mean really. Doesn't the title of this thread say enough. DaG even stated this, IT'S NOT HAPPENING! No upgrades for ANY CURRENT PHONE.
[Windows Phone 7 General] edcmeister:
I agree, I too own a HTC HD2 and easily run android 2.2 on it, everything works apart from bluetooth, soon I'm sure they'll get it 100% the XDA Developers are simply magnificent, if Win7 will not be made available for HD2 then I'll port to Android and join the Android Revolution.
[Windows Phone 7 General] IM0001:
It sure is amazing how people just live in the present with no site on what the future may bring, just what the present offers them with limited visibility now. Similar to 95% of drivers on the road today and how they don't see a dang thing past the hood of their car.
[Windows Phone 7 General] c_legaspi:
im done with winmo myself.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tiwas:
Aw, c'mon! Get a grip now...There's absolutely NOTHING interesting happening on the other side of the hood...It's all INSIDE the car, baby :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] richteralan:
MS should and must let WP7 port to any recent WM phones with 1GHz CPU.

What does WP7's advantage over iOS and Android? None besides XLIVE integration.

But then how many people will convert to a whole new system just for mobile gaming? A handful.

How many current WM6.x users will buy WP7? AFAIK, a handful.

So if WP7 relies completely on new handset sale then it WILL FAIL, PERIOD.

IF WP7 extends to current hardware-capable phones, then the pick-up rate probably will be higher and thus more apps will be developed.
[Windows Phone 7 General] DMAND:
Actually more apps will be developed with devs knowing that all the phones that their software will run on will be of a minimum spec, which wouldnt happen if MS allowed older phones to run WP7.

Name all the phones with 1GHz because I can only think of the HD2 and the Toshiba one with the massive bezzels and a resistive touch screen so would never work with WP7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] manyun:
i agreed ..

MS should consider to give a shoot for curent user of 1Gz Procs

i have no point to offense a MS developer for release a WP 7

it just a dream come true when people who using a wp 6.5 1 GZ procs can taste a new system on their device, just like when i installed iOS 4 to my iP3GS (not smooth but is ok)

but once again.. will MS hearing our plea?

people is always dreaming.. without that we never be exist as a human :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] diego1985:
I think i can deal with the Lack of Multitasking but if i cannot get another browser option like skyfire, ITs over for my windows mobile days.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
This has nothing to do with this thread.

But I'd suggest you check out this video... http://wmpoweruser.com/t-mobile-us-...a-windows-phone-7-device-for-november-launch/.

Beyond that, Skyfire could actually function reasonbly on WP7 (due to the rendering being done by Skyfire's servers) and would be allowed by Microsoft. It's just up to Skyfire on whether they want to make it or not.
[Windows Phone 7 General] merry558:
i am looking for a new phone because Windows Phone 7 WILL NOT be supported on ANY current WinMo Phones
[Windows Phone 7 General] chopper the dog:
Would you be expecting this for free?

MS has no obligation to this...

good day.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tiwas:
Of course I would - it's not like MS is a company, and thus they don't need to make money... :p
[Windows Phone 7 General] richteralan:
You think I expect WP7 OS upgrade for free? and you come to your own conslusion that "MS has no obligation to this...?"

LOL

I believe if MS charge $99 for OS upgrade there will be tons of people buy upgrade.

so what's your point again?
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
Lots of reasons. The easy is it's missing buttons. How would you take pictures without a camera button? WP7 doesn't have an on-screen button. WP7 doesn't support talk and end buttons. What would you map each button on the front of the HD2 to?

Microsoft is focusing on having a clear, unified user experience. There's no way they could accomplish this on the HD2.
[Windows Phone 7 General] chopper the dog:
Of course. They have written a new o.s. based on specific device specifications that they require. So why try to rewrite something new to support maybe 3 legacy devices that might support it and then expect that enough people would actually pay.

I bet they learned their lesson with 6.5. I couldn't fathom the number of devices running 6.5 that were never "officially" intended for an update.

In their eyes the books are closed on any device with a 6 series o.s..

But fear not I'm sure you will have WP7 in one way shape or form on your device through the magicians on this site.

good day.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ce1st:
Good to know current phone is not likely to be supported.

Then, I have no hesitation to switch to Android! Goodbye Windows mobile/phone OS!
[Windows Phone 7 General] richteralan:
Last time I checked, WP7 requres 6 physical buttons. There's 7 physical buttons on HD2.

We have no trouble mapping computer keyboard for different games/applications therefore I don't understand your question "What would you map each button on the front of the HD2 to?"
[Windows Phone 7 General] richteralan:
Guess you don't understand my first post in this thread.

But certainly I'm sure YOU WILL rush out and buy the first WP7 handset while I WILL NOT.

And no, I won't get WP7 even David Copperfield's doing the port.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
Oh yea, because having your call end button be the camera wouldn't be confusing.

They aren't going to spend time hacking the HD2 to run WP7. The buttons would create a huge user training problem. They can't just say "use this at your own risk". WP7 uses an entirely different boot loader and ROM update process. Once you flash to WP7, it's likely to be very difficult to go back. Just look at Da_G's thread if you want technical details as to why it's not as straight forward as you seem to think. Of course this would be much easier if we had the code like HTC and Microsoft do but that doesn't change the fact that this is a very, very large change in design and would likely require a good bit of work to even get working, nonetheless well, when there is little to no benefit in doing so. There's no way they would get enough people to pay for an upgrade to make it anywhere close to the money it would cost them to do this. That and MS and HTC have better things to focus on, like making WP7 work well on new hardware that it's actually designed for.
[Windows Phone 7 General] DavidinCT:
And this is the reason why I have not gotten a new phone in the last year or 2 (Just got a Touch Pro 2 but, that was because my titan died again and they didn't have any to replace it).

The HTC HD2 is a sweet phone, no question about it but, I would not of paid or signed any contracts even for a HD2 because of what Windows Phone 7 will offer and will NOT BE SUPPORTED ON ANY CURRENT HANDSETS.

Personally, I am sick of seeing posts about a new build for WP7 and seeing everyone with a HD2 saying when will I see it. Every discussion about a build of WP7 has someone asking about the HD2. You knew this when you got the phone, that it was a big MAYBE at the time.

Your HD2 will NOT get a offical upgrade for it unless someone hacks it in, If HTC said it will be Windows Phone 7 upgradeable, then I think a class action lawsuit is in order.

Let it rest...

just my 0.02...
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
(Not to anyone in specific, just more thoughts on the matter). Windows Phone 7 wasn't even announced when the HD2 launched in europe. If you're in the US, you really have no right to complain at all as it was fully knownt hat the HD2 would not be upgraded to WP7 when it launched here. Either way, it has never been implied that it, or any other phone, would get future upgrades. Should I complain that my Touch Pro never got WM6.5?

And it's funny when people say "If my HD2 doesn't get an upgrade to WP7 I'm switching to Android!" What they fail to realize is the lack of upgrading that goes on in the Android world. Sooo many phones are stuck at old versions with no plans to upgrade. And those are much more minor releases!!!! At least Microsoft has promised to upgrade ALL WP7 phones to newer versions at the same time. Not this stupid carrier and OEM coordination it takes to get an Android update released. Unless you have a Nexus One, who knows if/when you'll see that next update? Android 3 is supposed to launch later this year. How many phones do think will get that, considering it's supposed to be a rather major release?
[Windows Phone 7 General] richteralan:
OK then don't port it. problem solved.:cool:
[Windows Phone 7 General] chopper the dog:
Nope, I get it. Your a little angry at Microsoft for not treating a phone o.s. upgrade the same way they do with pc o.s. upgrades.

Man, wouldn't that be a party. And I could be like standing in line for hours and even get on TV and stuff plus I could be shouting in the background "WOOOOOO WOOOOO WOOOOOO WHAT UP RICH!!!" And then like run home after hours of standing in line and start playing with my new device.

But no that won't be happening. I definitely love the direction they have gone. And I will see how it all pans out, plus be able to do hands on with a number of the devices. I've been happy with the same exact device since nov. 2008 so another 4 6 or maybe 8 months will not kill me.

good day.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
Huh? They're not. I thought you were saying that they should do this?

Maybe someone from the community will get it working. But there really isn't that much push because there's only a couple devices that have any hope of running it. If it's as difficult as it seems, it's just not worth the effort to most people.
[Windows Phone 7 General] richteralan:
guess you still don't understand. OK let me say this: I'm NOT angry at MS in any way.

If MS wants to push this WP7, they have to expand the user base as fast as possible and as wide as possible.

Locking down the phone like iphone, how's this new zunePhone entice customers? (Similar question in my first post)

Apple already established its reputation in mobile world.

Android is hugely popular now because of Google.

How's MS brand image in mobile world? Excellent? Non-Geeky?

and What unique feature(s) WP7 has that will make everyone want to buy it and can't live without it?

MS tries to counter this by spending money. Then we all know some problems can't be fixed by just spending money. Brand image can't be improved by just spending money. (Look at Bing and Bing Cashback.)

So the question I wonder is how MS is going to rely on pure new handset sales to increase its market share?

This is market is totally different from game console and PC market.

Yes I'm worrying too much as you are thinking. And you probably still thinking I'm just hiding my anger that MS don't offer free OS upgrades.

Good day. LOL
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
And you determined this how exactly? Android is pushed through the supply chain on dozens of devices while the smartphone market is growing and the only competition is the iPhone. What makes you think it's the brand working?

Also, Google's brand doesn't work for Wave or Buzz or Orkut, why did it suddenly work for Android?

Really? Throwing money certainly works for Google who give away an OS, pay operators and OEMs, it certainly works for Verizon's Droid thing, but won't work for Mictosoft?
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Who exactly is Google paying? Which operator and OEM? Source?
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Google it, it was discussed already. They share search revenues if operators leave Google as default and also shared marketing expenses with Verizon. Apart from that, acquisition of Android Inc. wasn't exactly free, and neither is the OS development. Without getting much back. How exactly isn't this throwing money?
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Source please?

As I can't find any of that. Not one hint of it.

Yes they purchased Android, yes they have workers. Same as any other company.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
I don't know how you are looking. Here's an example: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-...-love-android-google-is-paying-them-to-2010-3
[Windows Phone 7 General] pack21:
i'm another angry guy with MS:mad:........And now i'm a Android Embassador.

HD2 owner, btw.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
Typical propaganda, they didn't name a single carrier. Do you have another source?

As for your claim that Google shared marketing expense's with Verizon, I say thats not true. Why:

"As for how Google’s investment in its Android mobile platform will reap rewards, Google CFO Patrick Pichette said, “Android in terms of cost is not material to the company.” He noted that recent Android launches like the Droid X were undertaken completely by partners like Motorola and Verizon. “It’s a formidable return in that what you have is the entire market exploding.""

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