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[XPERIA X10 General] Tom-Helge:
Even when you have me blocked, i'm still gonna reply here again to you to prove you to be totally wrong again.

First. You said this: Like the iphones incredible image quality. I can't stop thinking about.

Yeah, just fall for something that LOOKS good while it's not working good in reality.

And the things with front camera. This died many years ago and i doubt it will be any better just because Apple have it on their iPhone 4.

Like here in Norway, video calls are used extremely rarely. Just because iPhone 4 have FaceTime it wont mean that any other brands wont use video calling, simply because it's not used enough. And i also don't think video calling will come back like it was before, before it died out. Just because iPhone 4 got video calling.

Like i have said many times now, Adobe Flash 10.1 is fully possible to use on Android 2.1. Again READ THIS. This will be ported to XPERIA X10 when Android 2.1 is out to the phone.

Yeah, iPhone 4 offer HTML5, but i just have to laugh at you for getting iPhone 4 for that, because watch this.

So when we get Android 2.1 pretty soon, we can also get Adobe Flash 10.1. Ofc, flash wont be as good on Android 2.1 as it is on Android 2.2 though, but we can still get flash.

And lastly, if someone quotes me on this now, will fm1776 be able to see my quoted text then if someone that isn't blocked by him quotes me on this?
[XPERIA X10 General] nerrisse:
Did that EVO screen problem ever get solved? Also not sure why this iPhone thing is such a big deal. If someone wants a fischer price phone then why stop him?
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
First off all I have no idea what your interest is in following me from thread to thread. You must have better things to do with your time.

Your opinion of weather video chat will become relevant in the future is only your opinion. Ok, I get that you disagree.

I don't know how your Iphone 4G experience went, but not only did the image quality look far superior to the X10, it worked like a charm.

As for HTML5, it is merely another benefit that interest me personally. If you do not see a benefit for you no one is forcing you to use it. I however, would enjoy having it.

As for the 10.1 working on the X10 with 2.1 the fact is no one knows for sure. What we do know is the Adobe has stated on their site that 10.1 will need 2.2 or newer. Which translates to no tech support for the X10. Will there be a way to eventually get Adobe 10.1 working on X10, probably. And, even if so,,, when? Hopefully for people like myself that consider this a deal breaker it will be before next year when the X20 with 2.3 hits the shelves. But I am sure glad I won't be wasting my time problem solving that head ache. However, you can always keep using flash lite in the mean time if this is not an important issue for you.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
LOL :D

Thank you,,, I think :rolleyes:
[XPERIA X10 General] Tom-Helge:
Ok, thanks for unblocking me though.

But no, i'm 110% sure Adobe Flash 10.1 will be ported to XPERIA X10 when it gets Android 2.1. And it will get it pretty fast after Android 2.1 is out for XPERIA X10. Because those guys who have ported it to the other devices now knows how to do the porting easy now.

So maybe 1 or max 2 weeks after Android 2.1 is out to XPERIA X10, we will have Adobe Flash 10.1 on out XPERIA X10.

When you are so sure XPERIA X20 will come out next year, then i'm for sure can say Adobe Flash 10.1 will come to XPERIA X10 pretty fast after it have got Android 2.1.
[XPERIA X10 General] tuxStyle:
For an iPhone?

Now way, i'm not that stupid :D

I considered at one moment to trade it for Galaxy S but it looks like an iPhone so no. Not a Galaxy S either.

I also considered trading it for Motoroi but unfortunately it seems Motoroi has a few flaws. Biggest of them, not available in Noth America :) so, again, no. Not a Motoroi.

What's next?

I'm still waiting for those dual core smartphones... until then, X10 will do it.
[XPERIA X10 General] HyperionX10:
No, I am not thinking about changing my X10 for the Iphone 4.

Why? Well, I guess I would miss the sleepless nights and endless days waiting for an update or the feeling I had when I finally installed the .20 firmware :)

Seriously now, the Iphone is like a childlish toy. Nice, full of eye candy, but missing some important features (real multitasking is a dealbreaker for me).

X10 is a very good phone and the little imperfections it has just make it perfect :P
[XPERIA X10 General] madnish30:
I request Tom-Hedge, loneLEE, Bialynia and fm1776 to post anymore on this thread or any thread regarding "X10 VS iphone" or fm1776.

The matter is being looked at.

Please stay away from each other, till a decision it taken.

Please comply.

madnish30
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
No problem for the un-block. It is just that things were getting pretty carried away and extremely off topic in that last thread.

As for the Adobe 10.1 working on the X10 I do not share in your optimistic enthusiasm. I see a long road of problem solving before anyone gets this to work even slightly normal. When you add that to working out the bugs of the root, it is overwhelming and there will only be a very small percent of users that will accomplish both. If you are thinking of cooking it to an SEUS released 2.1, there will still be issues and a long road of problems to work out, and we still have no idea of when SE will release the 2.1. I know SE has stated they are moving up the release from Q4 to Q3, but this is not my first dance with SE. Don't hold your breath.

As for the I-devil; It runs HTML5 out of the box and has tech to support it. As things are today with that feature, the iphone is the clear winner. Maybe not to people who enjoy spending way too much time "tuning" their phones, but certianly to the public at large.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
Sorry just read your post. Of course.
[XPERIA X10 General] arcticreaver:
I wouldn't mind trading mine for an iPhone 4. I have the nexus one so right now the xperia is more or less of a paper weight.
[XPERIA X10 General] Cinner:
I would probably trade for an iPhone 4 if the price was the same as the X10, and the reception problem was fixed.

And in a few months time, I'd probably want to trade that iPhone for the newest Android or Windows Phone device :p
[XPERIA X10 General] Fahrvergnugen:
Dual core? Yikes, I think that MIT might have to perfect the hydrogen fuel-cell battery that they talked about a couple of years ago. Because 2 cores might need a car battery in a backpack !

(please excuse the obvious exaggeration for comedic effect)
[XPERIA X10 General] wrongfeifong:
I thought the x10 can shoot laser beams and turn into a light saber with 2.2 Froyo since that's what everyone want.

I expect SE's next phone can at least do that much. I am not settle for less. Fine you can remove the laser beams but i want to Light saber feature still.
[XPERIA X10 General] chris_knows:
It can...it's called Android Lightsaber :P
[XPERIA X10 General] Fahrvergnugen:
I have one better. I have .... The Schwartz
[XPERIA X10 General] j4mm3r:
With this...

http://www.tuaw.com/2010/07/12/apple-drops-consumer-reports-discussion-threads-down-memory-hole/

need I say more?
[XPERIA X10 General] rico761028:
http://blogs.consumerreports.org/el...m-issues-signal-strength-att-network-gsm.html

Interesting. And that pretty much seals it, no Iphone for me. But hey! It's fixable, patch it up with duct tape! I have this nagging memory that I've read that the X10 is "patched up tighter than King Tutt"? Here we actually have a real patched up phone. My oh my.
[XPERIA X10 General] sadams39:
I'm VERY happy with the x10a but the only thing that I've got against it is 1.6!!! C'mon!!! Upgrade the OS SE!!!

It's like putting a 40mph restriction on a Ferrari 550!!!

I am not going to say anything negative about the iPhone 4 just yet because it's the first release and you never get a full representation of what the developers wanted with the first version, most notably, Windows Vista :P

I would wait until the 2nd gen of iPhone 4 to publish an opinion, but in saying that, if the x10 gets 2.1 or 2.2 before then, it'll be a case of iWho???
[XPERIA X10 General] bimmerboii:
I need to make phone calls so no, im keeping my x10
[XPERIA X10 General] sadams39:
FTW! lol The fact that it can't get reception or make phone calls without burning your hand or catching on fire is a -1 at best. :)
[XPERIA X10 General] TechGuru_x10:
I am ready to trade my x10 charger with iphone, is the deal still on :-)
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
Are you try to say you charage it with a car battery and jumper cables? :p
[XPERIA X10 General] The-Lord:
*BEEP* Iphone4. I wont even give my X10 battery charger for an iphone4.
[XPERIA X10 General] Mano1982:
- Can not recommend the iPhone 4

There are problems with reception on the iPhone 4 This shows the tests conducted by Consumer Reports, which will not recommend anyone to buy iPhone 4.

after thorough testing has Conusmer Reports found that they can not recommend anyone to buy the iPhone 4 because of the big problems with signal reception. When a finger or hand touches a point on the lower left side of the phone signal can be so bad that you lose coverage altogether.

Consumer Reports is the magazine published by Consumers Union, an organization in the United States equivalent to the Consumer Council of Norway.

Problem on all phones

They tested three copies of the iPhone 4 and all these had the same problem. Testing was conducted under controlled conditions in a chamber that is shielded from radio signals from the outside. Here they set up a test base station connected the iPhone 4, and all phones had the same problem.

This allows the Consumer Reports pulls in doubt Apple's recent statement that signal problems due to a software error that makes the phone shows two extra "lines" at full coverage, and that it then appears that the actual signal loss is much higher.

It is suggested, however, a temporary solution: Attach the gaffer tape or other thick tape on the side of the phone. Then the problem disappears completely. A cover can also be thought to resolve the issue.

That there are problems with the antenna to the iPhone 4 is also a known fact, but this is the first labtest actually confirms it. Consumer Reports found that the signal can fall by 20 dB when you place a finger over anetenna, which is enough to get a broken conversation.

Consumer Reports can therefore not recommend the iPhone 4, although it said it has the market's sharpest video and best video.

Read Complete Report Here: http://blogs.consumerreports.org/el...m-issues-signal-strength-att-network-gsm.html

Watch the video:

http://video.consumerreports.org/services/player/bcpid21495733001?bctid=111613310001
[XPERIA X10 General] ddewbofh:
Can't we just stop with the iPhone bashing? I hate both the iPhone and Apple with the fiery heat of a thousand suns and even I am getting sick of it.
[XPERIA X10 General] madnish30:
MIND YOUR LANGUAGE.

READ THE

RULES

.

CONSIDER THIS YOUR FIRST AD LAST WARNNING.

I EXPECT YOU TO EDIT YOUR POST AS SOON AS YOU READ THIS.
[XPERIA X10 General] tuxStyle:
It was a press release from Motorola i think (nut sure but i think) where they said they are working on something with 1.5GHz.

Pretty much Qualcomm's Snapdragon @ 1.2GHz are already in the wild :) so, in about 6months we will have smartphones with those 1.2GHz.

About battery ... well, i don't think progress goes on only with CPUs.

Somewhere out there are better batteries too :)

EDIT: well, and there is Tegra 2 :) ... also, i don't think Samsung is watching the blue sky, probably they have their ace somewhere close for the time when those dualcores will pop out. Investing in a smartphone/HUP now is pretty much a waste of money :)
[XPERIA X10 General] GPdhillon:
IPhone is smartphone for Idiots
[XPERIA X10 General] matrix_rl2000:
Beware, I use my Xperia. But you has been used by Iphone; What differents !:)
[XPERIA X10 General] Darthhister:
I like how you worded that. And I agree even though I hate apple, they give them selves a bad name so we dont need insult them, especially on a forum for the X10. Who would post such an insolent subject in the first place?
[XPERIA X10 General] the_ahmadzais:
Trust me I'll never buy a apple product anymore . I sold my 3gs to buy xperia x10 and in 2 months I had to replace it 5 times .apple has terrible customer service and the workers are idiots who don't know ****. They pissed me off and I told them iPhone sucks and android is the best and she was like *what is android* and walked away lol. From that day I promise myself I'll never buy iPhone again . 1st of all even u jailbreak iPhone they r some restrictions and stuff u can't do but with x10 and android u can customize the s**t of out it.
[XPERIA X10 General] gavriel18:
When is this thread going to be closed? Its stupid and useless. Sorry guys, not to be rude but this is xda dev not consumer reports or cnet.
[XPERIA X10 General] Darthhister:
Is there anyway we can have a moderator delete it?
[XPERIA X10 General] Toksmachine:
I have both but the X10 is still my baby......excellent feel, build quality is very robust and the white is so cool! Just got the OTA upgrade and the screen and athe general experience has gone way up.

Waiting for the more comprehensive update to 2.1 or 2.2 which would make the X10 seem like a brand new handset! lol
[XPERIA X10 General] DarkPotato:
would it count if i say i have an iPhone 3gs and i want the X10? :D maybe it would even it out if the first thing i did when i got home was jailbreak it :cool:
[XPERIA X10 General] gpmg762:
There is probably no need to delete this thread if everyone sticks to the topic, which is: Is anyone considering trading their X10 for the new Iphone?

Stop the brand or phone bashing.

For me, the answer is no, I like my X10 just fine.
[XPERIA X10 General] gnayres:
No, I won't trade-in the X10 for an iPhone 4.

:) Peace...
[XPERIA X10 General] gaolinde:
i ll consider the trade with my mw600, that's the value of iphone for me
[XPERIA X10 General] gavriel18:
But that is what it becomes, brand and phone bashing. Nobody here has really discussed the upsides of the iPhone 4. Now I am not an apple fanboy but there are some good things about it.

First, yes I have had video calling on my phone since 2006. But who else did I know have it? No one. Now the majority of my friends are apple freaks and will now be able to use video calling.

From here you could say "well your friends are dumb and don't know what a real smartphone or ppc is." But you are wrong, for them the iphone is best. They don't want to put in the time and effort in learning this wonderful piece of technology. They want it to be simple and easy to use.

And that is why Apple is dominating the market. Because their product is intuitive, easy to use and requires no technical knowledge to use. And that is what your average consumer wants! People like us (members of xda and other dev forums) strive to understand and want more out of their mobile device and thus are not that interested in the iphone. Thats also why Apple can use outdated technology, because your average consumer has no idea what it is.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that comparing the x10 and iphone is comparing apples to oranges (I guess the pun is intended). They are aiming at different groups with different interests and unless you have a love for mobile technology you probably want one over the other. I want both, but I also want to own every smartphone ever :D

/End rant... for now :p
[XPERIA X10 General] sadams39:
Couldn't agree more - the missus wants it because she's got her music and txts and phone calls on the same device and all she has to do is hit a button that says, "SMS," "PHONE" and "iPod"

She doesn't give a hoot what firmware she's running, how fast her 3G connection speed is at the front of the house vs. the back of the house - she doesn't want to be able to remote into our computers with her phone etc.

I think the tech heads and the "smart" people of the world will either go Android or Win Mobile, business people will go Blackberry and the rest will go iPhone.

I just hope that they work on the iPhone 4 a little more i.e. putting Flash in it, making sure it's able to get reception lol before they release a dud, issue a MASSIVE re-call and taint the iPhone name anymore than they did with the 3GS 3.1.3 firmware release.

BTW, X10a, rooted R2BA023, running Android 1.6 and eagerly awaiting 2.2 =]
[XPERIA X10 General] Bec07:
Oh, my, GOD! This blog is amazing! Just finished reading most of it... I'm really shocked...

It's worth going a few pages back to actually learn with whom you're dealing when gettin an iPhone and this is a really well documented and exquisite read: http://theiphonefever.blogspot.com/2010/09/did-you-kow-why-you-have-iphone.html

Heck, I really thought iPhone 5 was going to be something amazing, but after reading Tom's link and some news about how lame the updates are, I truly doubt they'll ever catch up with android or even newcomers like meego...

For those planing to get an iphone, I have only one word:
[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
Did anyone actually read that list?

80% of it could apply to the X10.

Are all Android Fanboys that retarded?
[XPERIA X10 General] franzfume:
No. You're too much x10 fanboy. X10 has some flaw. IPhone has some flaws. Iphone is expensive but x10 is not cheap. Please be serious in judgement. Iphone was a trend setter shutout iphone not Evan android exist.

I have 3 gs and x10 both great phone.

Maybe x10 has more software and hardware flaws...

Hoping in 2.1
[XPERIA X10 General] Bec07:
Well I have the SGS and I don't think it's that far from X10.

Buying a super expensive device with no widgets, no flash and a defective antenna is downright stupid.

Considering the article has some serious sociological roots it's a certainty that the iPhone fanbois are "disturbed" (retards as you said, if you will) in the most dramatic sense of the word.

I might be quite new on XDA but I never ever saw anyone coming with such a stupid argument. Care to count what the 80% in that list is?

I counted about 7 things that are missing from an i9000 and there's about 70 items in that list.

Your argument = FAIL.
[XPERIA X10 General] Cinner:
I am sorry but that website is simply retarded. Look at this nonsense:

Are these arguments written by a twelve year old? It is listing defects that "some units" have as arguments against buying an iPhone. Really? The author seems desperately grasping at straws here. Some units have defects? And every other smartphone never has any defects?

Now this is just the start of his list, which goes on and on. I won't waste my time reading the rest. Anti-iPhone people can obviously be just as annoying as iPhone fanboys.
[XPERIA X10 General] Bec07:
All iPhones have external antennas and all of them have proximity sensor issues. It was all over engadget even after the update.

Don't know about the other issues but it clearly says "some" and not all.
[XPERIA X10 General] kill3rmus:
I've used a lot of phones, and I can tell you that I'm very picky about them.

Iphone 4 is one of top phone out there, it's just too bad that they tack on a 5mp camera on it. Also, you would need to jailbreak it to get full use out of it.

Xperia x10 overall is good and got potential, it's just too bad that they didn't put on a front facing camera and low ram on it. my sony ericsson w900 had it and it's like 4 years old.

One of the other top phone to consider is blackberry 9700.

I would use iphone 4 if they have 1700 frequency for USA tmobile
[XPERIA X10 General] kill3rmus:
wow i feel that iphone have the best proximity sensor out there. (is it the one you put your face on the phone and it turns off the screen while you talk?)
[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
Wait, what are you saying?

I just said that 80% of the iPhone 4 "flaws" listed on that website apply to the X10. I certainly never said that the phone had no flaws. It's far from perfect.

Also, I feel like I've said this many times, the price of the phone does not apply to everyone. The X10 can be had for free in some countries, while the iPhone 4 can be had for free in others. Price can't be used in this argument, unless you're talking about unsubsidized unlocked models that make up a fraction of a device's sales.

Finally, what the hell does "Iphone was a trend setter shutout iphone not Evan android exist." mean? I know you were typing on your phone, but I really can't figure out what that says.
[XPERIA X10 General] Bec07:
Care to list the 80% here please?
[XPERIA X10 General] franzfume:
Sorry very bad keyboard on x10. :-(

I mean that android now exist because of apple build iPhone some years ago.....

I mean just that. IPhone was really an innovative product. The trendsetter for all today phone
[XPERIA X10 General] what would homer do?:
Someone needs a history lesson....

How long do you think Android has been about exactly?
[XPERIA X10 General] naplesbill:
The keyboard can be changed on Android (unlike iPhone) and Android was started before Google had anything to do with it. Google acquired Android, Inc. in 2005 so I would have to say that Android would be here with or without iPhone.

The iPhone wasn't so much innovative as it was revolutionary. The main benefit we have all gleaned from iPhone is the way the iPhone caused people to expect more from a smartphone and especially from a touchscreen smartphone.

The iPhone made using the touchscreen more interesting and fun but really didn't make it do much beyond what touchscreen smartphones could already do. Yes, they improved usability ten-fold but what did the original iPhone do that other smartphones couldn't do at that time? The original iPhone couldn't even do MMS. I am not downplaying the importance of the iPhone but there is no point in overstating it either.
[XPERIA X10 General] Bec07:
Sorry, wide choice of keyboard apps on android.

Secondly what in the world was inovative about the first iphone?

-one of the worst cameras vith no video recording

-no mms

-no call forwarding

-no flash (still no flash)

-no videcall (still can't do it)

-crappy bluetooth that couldn't handle stereo headsets

-no damn multitasking and the multitasking on iOS4 looks like it used to be on nokia devices made in 2005 - 2006.

This is exactly what I linked to! you're brainwashed!

Apple did nothing innovative, they simply dumbed down what used to be touch screen business phones with an interface made for retards.

So please tell me one innovative thing in iPhone that Apple really did first.

And tell me how many features from that list is an average android missing compared to an iPhone? Post them.
[XPERIA X10 General] Gentimp:
Iphone had its time. Newer android phones will be better. They were innovative though. But in my opinion their products are just too expensive.

Its great if you like products of certain developers, but don't let it lead to fanboyism. Know when to stay and know when to move on.

If I had the money to get something newer, I'd certainly not get an iphone, but a new android one. It won't be an SE though, I have serious issues with their customer service.
[XPERIA X10 General] what would homer do?:
The iPhone was a marketing master-stroke. But there was nothing revolutionary about the technology.

Have to agree with the guy who said it was a dumbed down simple UI that my Grannie could use! Oh and a bit pretty compared to most other smart phones of the day
[XPERIA X10 General] Bec07:
I say it only sold in the US because symbian was scarce over there - then it became a trend.

3GS was the first to really justify the flashy touchscreen but it was a complete letdown(for me).

I can't use a phone without multitasking and flash.

iPhone 4 is a piece of junk an insult and a slap to the face. They released a faulty device for naive brainwashed fanboys: "see it works perfectly if you wrap it in ducktape and hold it right".