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[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
iphone was revolutionary (focus on the "was").. It was revolutionary because it gave mass market appeal to an extended range of features offered by smartphones.. to the bulk of the population who aren't in anyway technical. They smartphones cool, they made them accessible, and they made the whole world want one. (slight over exaggeration for effect!).. as a result Android has really up'd their game, multiple manufacturers want a slice of the iphone market so they've thrown their hat into the Android ring.. which brings more money to further develop the Android platform...

So yes.. I think we all have a lot to thank iphone for..

and no.. I don't, and never intend to own one.
[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
Bolded for your convenience. To be honest, it's probably not 80%, because some of those things are so nitpickingly iPhone exclusive...and written by a 12 year old. The iPhone doesn't support HTML5? That's the biggest joke I've seen all week.

Anyway, some of the things I bolded can be fixed by market apps, but, the point of this list is to be as anal and nitpicky as possible...so here we go!
[XPERIA X10 General] rodrigofd:
My personal experience..

on my last 12 months, i've switched phones more than ever... from HTC Touch Pro, to Samsung Omnia II, to HTC HD2, to Xperia X10a, and lastly, Iphone 4....

i've traditionally been a winmobile user, tried to dive on the android world with the xperia, but not only i wasn't pleased completely with the phone, but it broke the microusb jack after a month use (now in repair)... so i bought the iphone..

i must say, it is the best phone i ever put my hands on, ever (and i've tried almost every brand and every platform out there, and i considered myself 'anti apple' for many years)... but this device is simply extremely pleasing, functional, and really FUN to use.

I invite anyone who disagrees and want to civilizedly debate with me, i gladly accept, from my own personal experience.
[XPERIA X10 General] alankstiyo:
no thanks, I don't want to learn how to grab a phone to make calls again xD
[XPERIA X10 General] franzfume:
Impossible to talk in a normal way here. Too much funboy.

History is not about date. History is about market diffusion and who pushed a technology to a level everyone can see and use.

Think about the story of GUI Xerox build mouse and GUI interface first but apple was first to bring it to the public. Sane here. About x10.: I have one and I like it. But please it can barely just compare to iPhone. At least whit 1.6

Please be more objective....
[XPERIA X10 General] naplesbill:
I have two questions for you:

1) What do you consider objective?

2) Why is it that Windows beat MAC OS?

Your answer to number two will show how objective you can be.

Timelines are important because they demonstrate, in this case, that one mobile OS was not copied or created because of the other. That is exactly why you cannot not objectively claim one is superior than the other because they are two different ideas about how to interface with a mobile phone. If you like one over the other, that does not prove the one you like is better. That is objectivity.
[XPERIA X10 General] Bec07:
I hereby, objectivley claim that:

iPhone 4 is a faulty product compared to the previous iPhone generations.

iOS is lacking compared to Symbian or Android in both features and UI.
[XPERIA X10 General] franzfume:
Well..before all...sorry for my english!!!

Talking with Android people, seem that ALL iphone user are dumb stupid and zombie guided from Steve.. iPhone is easy and a pleasure to use. You can like it or not but that's what say the mayority of user

Please consider that I'm here because NOW after some iOs device I have decided to switch to Android.

Not all people here have same openess...

So I dont accept the role of "apple fan at all cost"

I just cant read anymore thing like "iphone user are brainwashed" like I have read many times in this 3d.

iPhone 4 is really more quicker, polished and easy to use for the normal user.

FAcetime is really high quality and camera is really REALLY good! (HDR is unbelivable).

For "normal user" I mean not a geek that change rom, and do some sort of strange stuff every 3 hours.

BTW keep in mind that even on iOS using jailbrek the geek can do very strange sort of thing..also on ios. Android is more open? maybe.....but for do what I like I have to root...so Im really in dubt if REALLY is more open

;)

Now, the question

1) What do you consider objective?

An argument that is obviously true. Watching data and numbers.

Actual smartphone w. touch screen, web store, and the whole concept of "mobile app" started whit iphone. Period.

Negate this is not to be objective.

2) Why is it that Windows beat MAC OS?

Windows dominate because is preinstalled on the majority od the pc sold from 20 years now. And because for a secretary - that have to write some letter - is more than enough and cheaper.

In my company we use Mac for some task, windows for other an Linux for server. BTW today more home user are switching to macs...

But your 2) question bring me another consideration… often I read text like : "Android is catching Apple"… on installed base or web traffic.

Watching the % of unit selled and web data traffic Apple is still at top… And this appear MORE true, considering that Android is carried from ALOT of company!! (like windows) and iOS is selled just in the Apple device.

LAST---OMG.... someone mention SYMBIAN? SYMBIAN? what is SYMBIAN?

That OS that resemble a sort of code of the 1950?

Sorry just a joke...

But for now Symbian dont look a primary player anymore.

;(
[XPERIA X10 General] Bec07:
But you really are brainwashed:

"polished and easy to use for the normal user" - the multitasking UI is the same as in symbians made back in 2006, it is clumsy and not easy to use.

"FAcetime is really high quality and camera is really REALLY good!" - facetime can't be used by anyone anywhere without 2 iPhones and 2 wi-fi routers. Videocall works great on any smartphone but iPhone and it has been doing so for a very long while.

(HDR is unbelivable). - all OSes have HDR via apps, iPhone is missing ridiculously important camera features (shooting modes: face/blink/smile detection, multiple shots, panorama; effects; scene modes: night portrait landscape, indoor, sunset, text/macro etc; exposure correction; ISO sensitivity; anti-shake)

There are a TON of basic features missing. HDR simply takes an underexposed and overexposed phone mixing them into one. Any 3kb app can do that.

"Actual smartphone w. touch screen, web store, and the whole concept of "mobile app" started whit iphone. Period." - WRONG AGAIN! how old are you? it started about 10 years ago with symbian. There's millions of apps for symbian and if I'm not mistaken it is the first mobile OS that captured the public's attention years ago. Just because you live in US and never heard of it it doesn't mean it wasn't the first.

Ever wondered how come Symbian has a huge choice of browsers and full opera mobile while iPhone only has opera mini?

"Watching the % of unit selled and web data traffic Apple is still at top…" wrong. In europe it doesn't stand a chance, 50% is nokia, 30% android and the rest are featurephones and iPhone. But then again the do have to convince you it's popular don't they?

Don't you find it just a little strange that all your arguments are already contained within this article? http://theiphonefever.blogspot.com/p/iphone-why-do-you-have-one.html

EDIT:

As for the endless MAC vs PC debacle:

No one wanted MACos on their devices so apple quit trying.

The entire OS is liability there are plenty of viruses anti virus softwares and security holes in the MACos. Just because apple says it ain't so doesn't make it the truth.

More people are getting MAC now because of the whole iPhone trend.

The fact still remains it lacks productivity software and it's a developer's nightmare.

Also don't forget it sells now, because it's hardware-wise a PC and people move to windows 7 on their MAC all the time ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] franzfume:
Maybe I'm too brainwashed. Maybe you are. I think we can close here. The link you send is full of wrong assertion. But we ant discuss it.... I'm not American BTW. So my way of write is not so terrible...

:-)
[XPERIA X10 General] Bec07:
Please don't get the wrong idea, if SGS would be a noflash-antennagate-badmultitasking-etc-etc device and iPhone wouldn't I'd probably be on the opposite side on an Apple forum.
[XPERIA X10 General] naplesbill:
Ok, I can understand where you are coming from. I have never said the iPhone is crap, just that it isn't all people claim it to be either. So what if it's easier, that doesn't make it better. Sometimes things worth using may be more complicated but they also accomplish more.

Objectivity is more than just stating something that is obvious or true. Objectivity means that you can consider the merits of one thing over the other, regardless of any personal bias or peer pressure. Many iPhone and Android users lose objectivity because they are in competition with users of other systems.

Windows beat MAC OS for many reasons, but the main reason is the same as what is happening right now with Android. Apple is all about control. They want to be the only company to control everything about their products. This is a limitation that cost them dearly in the PC industry and it appears the same thing is going to happen with smartphones. When you refuse to share, all the other kids find a way to bypass you.

I won't bother with arguing marketing statistics. Android has come a long way in a short time. A year ago, everyone I know was saying that nobody can catch Apple or the iPhone. What are they saying now?

The number one difference, for me, between iPhone vs Android is that I don't have to use anything at all on my PC to use an Android phone. I don't have to activate it through iTunes. I can just plug in my SIM card and go. I absolutely do not like iTunes at all. It is a lame, poorly designed piece of software. The sole purpose of iTunes is to tie your wallet to Apple.

Do I think the iPhone sucks? No. Do I think that Apple sucks? Kind of.
[XPERIA X10 General] naplesbill:
If you pay attention to the DefCon conference every year, OSX with Safari is always one of the first systems to get hacked. Windows with Chrome is one of the hardest to hack. The only reason MACs seem secure is because nobody is interested in hacking them. The numbers are too small and the challenge is too low.
[XPERIA X10 General] Bec07:
Lolz :p

10char
[XPERIA X10 General] franzfume:
Oh yea. Everyone know that Windows is the more secure of the desktop os.

Android guys are really fanboy... apple fanboy are kids in comparison....

:-)
[XPERIA X10 General] naplesbill:
Actually, it is more secure in many many ways. The issue isn't how secure an OS is or isn't, it's an issue with how many hackers are trying to get in. If you were a hacker you wouldn't waste your time going after 5% of a market would you? Most hackers are looking for notoriety or a job, the largest installed base will yield the highest visibility. It's a very simple concept to grasp really.
[XPERIA X10 General] Bec07:
Windows might not be much more secure (eg 3 minutes to hack it vs. mac 2) but at least most users aren't stupid enough to believe it's all pink and virus-free. That's what makes it more secure, users with brains :D :D :D
[XPERIA X10 General] pshdo:
To answer the question in the first post:

Iphone have nothing i would want at all, not even a nice design, nothing!:rolleyes:

Iphone HAS the antenna fault, X10 works perfect.:rolleyes:

Iphone has nothing to offer me at all.:rolleyes:

I would never ever exchange my X10 for a Iphone, even if i would get paied for it, i will NEVER be a Iphone owner.:rolleyes:

To sum up, not even my X10 mini i would consider change for a Icrap-phone.:rolleyes:
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
Here's an interesting, current, statistic on US shift in Mobile OS preference..

Show's that Android is gaining rapidly on IOS... but RIM leads the way presumably because of the business user community..

Here's the associated article.

http://www.everythingandroid.org/android-gains-on-apple-for-marketshare/2010/09/16/

(I'm a UK Citizen BTW.. born and bred)..
[XPERIA X10 General] Bec07:
http://www.gartner.com/it/page.jsp?id=1421013

Well it's pretty much self explanatory:

Apple has the slowest growth, having sold about 4000 units more this year compared to Nokia that sold 5000 more and android that sold almost 10.000 more units.

Apple's offer might be the tinyest, only selling three devices 3G, 3GS and 4 but no one ever stopped them to license their OS... in case anyone would even care for their you're not allowed to do this and that fascist patronage.

Numbers aren't really that important for the end user but if Apple keeps releasing faulty products, iPhone will soon be as popular as their MACpc.
[XPERIA X10 General] naplesbill:
Some more info:

And then:

And finally:

And the source link:

http://www.downloadsquad.com/2010/03/25/pwn2own-2010-google-chrome-is-the-last-man-standing/
[XPERIA X10 General] loneLEE:
Hmmm... If I were you, I'd take the money, and the phone, then sell the phone off and get the phone I really want.

If there is extra cash left, treat myself to a good meal. =D
[XPERIA X10 General] loneLEE:
Hmmm... You forget the loyal I-don't-care-what-they-say-I-still-want-it iZombies.

And I'm not sure of the people in your country, but in mine, everybody goes, "time to change to a macbook" or similar comments and suggestions.
[XPERIA X10 General] D00QLE:
My X10 can't play hulu video, try frash on the iPhone 4 and if safari doesn't crashed and HULU does work. Then yes I'll trade but you have to be in the area.

That android chart is unfair, there are plenty phone makers uses android as their OS. not everyone of them buys the same phone when it's a android. It could be motorola droid and tmobile ****ty itouch. it more accurate when you take that 10,606.1 = 1,606.1
[XPERIA X10 General] pngface:
I have no idea what you're trying to say, sorry mate
[XPERIA X10 General] loneLEE:
I think he's trying to say the android part of the statistics is an overall, thus he is trying to ask us not to use that to justify Rachael, as we won't know what percentage is she involved in it.

To simply put, 10 sets of androids sold doesn't mean it's all 10 of them are Rachaels.

In another words, he still believe Rachael's sales is poor.

Actually, why do we have to compare anyway? We like the phone. Period. We don't care how well it sells or not.

I really don't get the point of people like fm1776 keep posting such topics to attempt to defame Rachael.

It's not like we go iPhone section and do the same to them. These people need to grow up.

It's a fact that only iZombies, no matter in which forums, are the ones going around other sections to "踢館" (sorry, can't find a close translation... It kinda means a practise for Chinese martial artist schools or factions to go around challenging other schools to prove its superiority)
[XPERIA X10 General] franzfume:
This 3d prove that Android fanboy are even more "aggressive" that Apple one.

Not necessary a bad thing. Maybe I can count on a "strong community" during my Android period of mobile life...
[XPERIA X10 General] chongbh:
What is iphone 4? They are so outdated technology compared to HTC or Samsung, not to mention SonyEricsson.

They only good at Mac computers and not phones, look at the stupid mistake they have made in iphone 4 by designing antennas on the side of the phone.

If such position of the antenna is workable, why other experienced mobile phone manufacturers do not make it in their phones?

If they are so good, why their phone is still bigger than their display?

Their winning formula is only apps or games, their phones cannot customize like android phones which is so boring.
[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
My question to every single person in this thread is:

Why do you care what other people like?

Instead of devoting energy to hating on something else, why not just like what you like more?

Fanboys are the scum of the planet. Android fanboys, iPhone fanboys, RIM fanboys... all are complete and utter scum. Just let other people enjoy what they like instead of having to **** on it every ten seconds. To make yourself sound cool to other fanboys by saying silly things like "YOU COULDN'T PAY ME TO OWN AN IPHONE" makes you sound even more pathetic.

Also, anyone who says that the iPhone 4 has nothing they want has never seen the display. I'd kill for that quality of a display in my X10. The IPS panel simply blows the X10's TFT-LCD away. But, that doesn't make me hate the iPhone. It's just a different product with it's own set of pluses and minuses. I simply chose the X10 instead.

I may not want an iPhone 4, but I'm more than happy with my MacBook Pro and I bought the sixth-gen iPod nano last week and it's the best purchase I've made all year. (And I've bought a new TV, a PS3, a Wii, a scooter and the X10).

tl;dr version: Grow up, and use that energy for something good instead of hating on anything/everything you don't own.
[XPERIA X10 General] franzfume:
Moving from OS to hardware..

I think an Android user dont have to criticize Apple for the iPhone HARDWARE. I can understand criticism about iOS but please take a look at Android device..

No hardware can seriously compete w. iPhone 4 (or even 3gs)

X10? stuck to 1.6 right now, too many flaws (like USB and screen) for a flagship phone.

Galaxy s? design is a bad copy of Apple but done using really cheap material. A phone that is a *copycat only* under alot of aspect.

HTC? some are maybe best at now, apart for an HORRIBLE support in case of flaws. flaws that are really frequent.

Apart from 1.6 and some problem (you know)…at least for me x10 is the only device whit a nice design in Android world

Iphone in general is a product well built, good material, no seroious flaws (antenna is a novel, I tryed 2 iphone 4 and both work like other phone)

So Right NOW is impossible to find a TOP-LIne Android device

And that is a problem apart.
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
Huh? the only thing Iphone 4 has over existing And. phones is the higher display resolution.. but.. with a display that small it really aint gonna make any difference compared to the best Android displays out there.

(and no, I'm not an Iphone hater.. just not particularly impressed with them (or the price you have to pay for them!)
[XPERIA X10 General] franzfume:
Expensive? Yes it is. X10 is cheap? Galaxy s is cheap?

BTW price is not an argument... usually people pick iPhone or other similiar device whit a data plan...

Here in Italy iphone 4 galaxy s and HTC desire cost the same price/month.
[XPERIA X10 General] chongbh:
Yes, if the phone with the data plan then it will be cheap.

In Singapore, I can see many kids, housewifes and Bangladesh contruction workers are all using iphone 4.

It seems to be a drop in status if I am using iphone too. :p
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
Mate pngface and, ileads, and LoneLEE, and Gavilaaar, are the exact same user with different nic's. He probably has even more accounts. He likes to attack anyone that says anything negative about this X10 paper weight. He even quotes himself and agrees with his own twisted point of view using separate profiles in the same thread. However, if you read his posts in history on each profile you will see the same grammatical errors and writing style. And, how he always uses more than one of these nic's to attack an opinion in the same thread. I think he thinks it proves his point.

His original account was started in April 2010 which is Bialynia. All the other nic's were started after that date. He has been banned three times since than and likes to stalk other users to seek what he thinks is revenge. He was also banned from xperia forum.

If you ever make a valid point about a draw back to the X10 this guy likes to hijack the thread by changing the conversation to something else, usually by trying to draw you in to an argument. Which is why he gets banned.

Read the history under these profiles of the above user names and draw your own conclusions. Your best bet is to just place him on ignore.
[XPERIA X10 General] realunited123:
What a keen observer!! Maybe you are one of his accounts ? Or maybe 50% of 2,752,856 accounts are his. Maybe he is Pilot and cvchetan ? Maybe he is Steve Jobs!! :eek: Maybe he is me ? But who am I ?:confused:
[XPERIA X10 General] Bec07:
Well on my new most favorite blog there's a rant about that too:

http://theiphonefever.blogspot.com/2010/05/iphone-4g-screen-multimedia-flop.html

Retina is the same old LCD crap and the aspect ratio makes it the worst for movies and shows, even clips and trailers. a few pixels here and there don't really matter since the tech is still crap.

The real difference comes with amoled! You can not believe it until you experience what a strong contrast it has! And the black, it's pitch black! not blueish dark smog like on the iPhone or other LCDs. You know what they say, once you go black... :D:D:D

Interesting, last time I checked frash (trash) was only displaying ads and video were the exact same thing that wasn't working... oh, wait they still don't! Must be sad for you that the internet ends with hulu and youtube :(

Did you know how trash works? With the Android flash, by simulating an android environment :D

As for x10 you can simply get flash from the market, forums or repository apps.

Yeah, well the Mac to PC chart isn't than very fair either now is it?

Unfortunately manufacturers seem to find Apple unreliable and choose not to implement apple solutions in their hardware. Don't blame Google, Microsoft or Nokia for conducting their business better.

That's only one of the many reasons why no serious manufacturer ever considered an apple partner****/p.

:D:D:D:D Only have two friends with them apples and I so much ejoy sending them .rar files whenever they need something because they have no idea on how to open them:D:D:D:D
[XPERIA X10 General] Bec07:
You are very misinformed as far as Flash and HTML5 are going:

Please read this:

http://theiphonefever.blogspot.com/2010/04/5-reasons-flash-is-here-to-stay.html

HTML a long time ago in a galaxy far far away...

Watch this:

http://theiphonefever.blogspot.com/2010/06/html5-on-ipad-vs-flash-101-on-nexus-one.html

Showoff flash vs HTML5 you can guess which needs more CPU (aka battery) at the moment ;)

And this:

http://theiphonefever.blogspot.com/2010/05/how-much-of-hypocrite-is-steve-jobs.html

About false rumours and beliefs spread about flash and openness
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
I don't need to guess mate, I actually own both phones.
[XPERIA X10 General] ddewbofh:
HTML5 is fine for it's most common use, video playback. Unfortunately there's no consensus on which codec to use, h.264 would be best for us since we have HW-support for it but with Google at the helm we'll probably get non-accelerated WebM built-in and SE has to provide h.264 support.

Until that mess gets sorted out Flash will reign supreme.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
Agreed. But seeing how I don't use my device for gaming, video play back is just what the doctor ordered.
[XPERIA X10 General] ddewbofh:
Which is the root of the problem, which codec should be supported? Currently most sites use h.264 but since Google has insane amounts of pull in that area with YouTube we're likely to see migration towards WebM there. In any case we're looking at a fractured landscape.

That's the good thing about standards, there are so many to choose from. :)