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[Nexus One General] Yceman:
I'm also with the same doubts as the original poster.

On the Galaxy S forum, according to a post from someone involved with Modaco's rom, so far there can only be a custom rom for the Galaxy S if Samsung provides (or leaks) the base rom. So, it won't be possible to get Froyo, Gingerbread, Sense Ui, Timescape or anything else unless Samsung releases it.

Custom roms for the Galaxy S will only be able to modify the Samsung roms.
[Nexus One General] anthro:
@Cuda1337 (OP) +1 to everything you said. That's exactly what I always say when comparing the two phones. I was compelled to sell my Nexus One now that it still has a good price, especially here in my area.

However, I'm not compelled enough to change yet, because it's more expensive and the expense may not justify the potential benefits, given there are risks (like it may not have a good enough dev community). I suggest that we wait for a short while. A superphone should have no compromise.

I'll wait for 4-8 months. By then, I'll expect more than 1Ghz CPU with all necessary superphone specs (camera flash, front-facing camera, etc.) and even a physical keyboard.
[Nexus One General] adambenjamin:
If they could stick the Nexus One inside my Gphone I would be the happiest man on earth. It doesn't even have to be pretty.
[Nexus One General] irishrally:
Just because you root your Samsung Galaxy S, it doesn't mean you can just put any custom ROM on there. A custom ROM has to be specifically designed for the Galaxy S. For instance, people with a rooted Incredible have no decent custom ROMs to flash at the moment, and it is debatable if it is even worth rooting the Incredible. The N1 will always have the latest and greatest stock and custom ROMs. If you don't really tinker too much with your phone then the Galaxy S might be fine for you. For me, there is no question, N1 all the way, and when the next developer phone comes around, that will be my next phone (unfortunately there will not be an Nexus 2).
[Nexus One General] Eclair~:
I agree entirely here! I am spoiled by the support from the G1 and Nexus! I can't go without flashing a ROM, a new theme, a new mod, SOMETHING new every other day or week that other phones aren't fortunate to have~
[Nexus One General] agentkalaw:
i used to think that camera flash wasn't a big deal and never really used my video camera. but a few days ago a few of my friends were taking videos with their droids and evo's and only my n1 got to turn on its light being able to record in the dark!
[Nexus One General] cheetah2k:
No. Do your research Roger..

Samsung has claimed that Super Amoled has a 20% brighter screen, 80% less sunlight reflection and at least 20% reduced power consumption - plus the fact that it has a 180degree viewing angle!

(Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_AMOLED)

And I tend to agree. I get 3 days easy out of my SGS, where as I was only getting 1-2 days from the N1. Mind you, the Hummingbird CPU/GPU package has other refinements such as being lower voltage than the Snapdragon, plus sporting a 45nm SOC (vs 65nm)
[Nexus One General] Mokurex:
Gingerbread is due at the end of the year. Not everybody can afford to change phones every six months you know...
[Nexus One General] kindiboy:
having a screen that's bigger than 3.9" is an instant loss for me.

i need a phone not a tablet.

but just to humor you,

Support on XDA for nexus is better than samsung (+1 nexus)

Screen better (+1 Sam, resolution wise not battery conserving wise

even if it was the 30% is a comparison between Apple's IPS and

Samsungs SAMOLED not between AMOLED AND SAMOLED)

Battery life (+1 Nexus, standard use 30+ hours unplugged "my use" no way in hell a bigger screen and better processor will give me more)

Google Support (it sucks all over but you get updates directly to your phone the second it's out +1)

Performance (if you take everything into consideration, I don't really have a clear cut winner here)

by your own criteria Galaxy S definitely "Doesn't" give the Nexus a run for its money.
[Nexus One General] DMaverick50:
I'm with you. The nexus will be a year old after the holidays and ill be ready to upgrade. Ill hang on to this beauty but ill want 2ghz or dual core, 1080p recording, 8-10mp, a screen i can see during the day, 1ghz ram. the Samsung S just isn't a big enough upgrade over the nexus plus samsungs mobile reputation is pitiful count me out. I'm HTC or possibly but doubtfully Motorola .
[Nexus One General] BlueScreenJunky:
Not saying the Galaxy S will be the best device out there, especially with samsung's reputation but some of your arguments seem a little biased

You don't know how both devices will be supported in a few months, OP has a point when he says the Galaxy will be widely available on all carriers. But I do agree it will probably never be as well supported as the G1 or N1.

I'm pretty sure the 30 percents was compared to older samsung AMOLED display

Well unless you use a galaxy S you can't really compare. I didn't even check how much time galaxy S users get out of their phones, but if one of them say his/her phone works 15 hours with one charge I might conclude that the battery life is better than on the Nexus since I typically get around 12 hours of battery life with MY use. SO you can't really compare unfortunately.

And the better screen (with better sunlight visibility) allows you to lower the brightness, thus saving some battery.

Same goes for the faster CPU : first it may use less power altogether since it uses 45nm carving (do you say "carving" in English ?), and secondly if it's faster it will be used less to perform the same task, thus saving some battery.

Can't argue with that, definitely the main pro of the N1

errr... on this point EVERY benchmark and user feedback I read said the Galaxy S performed way better than the N1 (and it's not even on Froyo yet),

IMHO the Galaxy S is definitely better than the N1 as far as hardware is concerned, and a better choice for people who just use there phone as it is out of the box.

But it will probably have less support from developpers, and less frequent updates from samsung, so for people like us the N1 might still be a better choice.

besides, I don't see the point in upgrading from a N1 to any other phone right now. I'll wait for at least the next gen (before christmas maybe ?) before I consider replacing my N1.
[Nexus One General] nxt:
I'm so damn tempted by the Samsung Captivate (Galaxy S on AT&T July 18).

It has 16gigs of internal storage space!! 4" Super AMOLED.

The only thing I don't like is the glossy plastic casing, makes holding it feel cheap, although it looks like it's just a bit of that.
[Nexus One General] avio07:
I personally like the Galaxy S phones, Samsung has done an outstanding job! They were falling off the market for a while IMO but this helped them pick up the pace and honestly the Galaxy S is probably the hottest phone on the market right now, it lacks a few features yes but which phone doesn't?

When it gets the Froyo update in a week or so, it will be running much smoother and faster compared to N1.
[Nexus One General] tameracingdriver:
Bet you it doesn't run smoother than the n1 when it has froyo. The current firmware are rumoured to be if not final then very close, jm9 is the fastest firmware and its 2.1.

Samsung are simply incompetent at making software.
[Nexus One General] kolyan:
Never know till final release will arrive on my Vibrant. Stock 2.1 with original firmware was also laggy, not anymore......and from there it will not take long for first 100% working Froyo custom ROM
[Nexus One General] balenax:
well i have both nexus and a 16 gb samsung galaxy s. i can tell you that i will ditch the sammy as fast as i can an stick to the nexus without a doubt. and here's why :

1. the screen might be larger and better in the sunlight. but the size of the phone is too big for a 4 inch. its the same size as the hd2 with 4.3 inch ( i would buy a 4.3 inch device the size of hd2, since size itself is not an issue, but i dont like too much plastic).

2. build quality of the sammy sucks. while its very light and thin, after a few week of using it ( demo unit) it started to make strange noises and the sides started to move a bit ( no drops, no hits suffered);

3. touchwiz sucks big time. i know, one can use launcher pro or alternatives, but still, it sucks.

4. lack of OTA updates. you need to flash you phone with odin or samsung kies ( if udate is official) ;

5. software and drivers : teh pain, teh horror ( way too many people having trouble to install drivers and samsung's own software suite.

6. lack of notification led. i found myself addicted to the beloved trackball who notifies me of events.

7. lack of flash ( not a smashing loss, still i use the led flashlight every once in a while)

So i will be waiting for htc to launch a similar device ( as design and size) as the HD2, ofc with android, unless google decides to step up again with a nexus two.
[Nexus One General] Mokurex:
Android the same size as hd2? Isn't it out already in the form of the evo?
[Nexus One General] bratfink:
Nexus + SGS owner

I am an owner of both devices so i thought i should give my opinion on these two phones...

1. The main advantage to the N1 is dev support... the N1 just cant be beaten for it ATM, however look at the avalibility of the Galaxy S! If its on every major carrier in the USA and UK and for a decent price im pretty sure it will sell like crazy and soon enough there will be many devs for the SGS.

2. The screen im sorry to say is an easy one.. SGS and lets leave it at that.

3. The design is very much a tie in my opinion the larger screen, lightness, bigger buttons on the SGS, but the trackball and just pure sexyness of the N1. No clear winner to me.

4. Speed i have to say il give to the SGS 'WHILE IN APP', navigating from apps to apps - the SGS has a known problem where it just shows a black screen every now and again which is annoying but for e.g. games are MUCH smoother and the proper multitouch is a bliss. And its all thanks to the dedicated GPU in the SGS.

5. Battery is a tie, people forget the screen is bigger and still being the main juice drinker it levels out the battery save from having superAMOLED.

6. Launcher is a tie aswell, before buying the sgs i looked at reviews and thought to myself i will definity put on Launcher2, but after using touchwiz i quite like it, but doesnt blow me away.

7. Camera i will give to SGS - i generally do take pictures and videos very unfrequently but always during the day therefore 720p at 30fps is ideal.

8. ROMS- now this is where im confused i have rooted my SGS and also have a link to the source direct from samsung so i dont understand what people mean when they say the device is locked, so if anyone is a good dev and wants to PM me some info on this situation i would be greatful.

I think the SGS is a decent upgrade on the N1 and to be honest it doesnt really NEED froyo so i dont feel too upset ATM, but when Gingerbread comes out its gonna be back to the old N1 :D (unless of course customs roms can be made for the SGS!!)

(Ask me if you want any more info!!)
[Nexus One General] balenax:
Evo is not available in my country. Yet :)
[Nexus One General] temperbad:
Very nice comparison ... thank you for a unbiased opinion ...
[Nexus One General] miker71:
got my SGS today and I love it already. (was previously on N1)

for my usage, the SGS is the better phone. personally I don't like camera flashes at all so no loss to me.

if the SGS had the option to go stock android it would be perfect for me.

I think flashing it needs that Kies thing which sucks since I am (mostly) on a Mac. I have access to a Windows machine so should be ok.
[Nexus One General] frozengash:
i have owned a few samsung products (ie home phones, cell phones, blue ray) and they all seem to have a short life. the ones that seem to last need lots of tlc and many times have to be 'fixed'. i wished i had saved a few bucks and picked up the no name bd player instead of the samsung bdp1500 a few years ago.

have to admit i'm pretty curious to see this phone. specs alone look nice, outside of the iphone clone shell.

i have owned a few htc products and have never had any complaints. how many here still have there original g1?

maybe i am an htc fanboy but i feel that htc worked hard to make me one. maybe i'm a samsung 'hater' but i feel samsung tried hard to make me one.
[Nexus One General] frozengash:
exactly! i suppose i could have when i was single living with four roommates.
[Nexus One General] RogerPodacter:
This is WHAT I keep saying too. The nexus build quality is just too good, its overall package is great. That's a huge thing for me personally. And of course all your other points:-)
[Nexus One General] kolyan:
as much as i want a new phone, i dont think anything on the market can beat Nexus yet.....I just wish they used a better quality touchscreen.
[Nexus One General] motorjonny:
The Galaxy has TV OUT ..

-many say that they do not need this feature... just like all of the people that say they do not need internet on their phone... you never know what you need until you have it! I think it will be sweet to plug your phone into the tv and browser the web or show photos or video..

The Galaxy S feels cheap compared to the N1.

- i hate shiny plastic.. im not going to decide what phone i buy because of this.. but yeah its a pretty childish finish.

About developer support..

- samsung is selling hundreds of thousands of these across the WORLD... support for rooting and roming has to follow from this.. (just my theory)

I really wanted to hate it... but its really impressive when you use it..

PS. stop hatin' on customers with Taps Cuda ;-)
[Nexus One General] RogerPodacter:
I had tv out in 2007 with my n95 and I thought it was the greatest thing ever, like a portable computer I could plug into any tv and surf the web or watch movies in the hotel room while traveling for example.

Turns out I never ended up using it other than that first time testing it. Perhaps it might be totally different in 2010 with higher quality to watch movies and web browse. But for now I don't just after the tv out feature like I used to.
[Nexus One General] kindiboy:
Am with you 100% it is better as a device, as a hardware but not as an Android OS device, not till Samsung leaks what they need to leak and Google start pushing updates to it directly, Android is about the OS not the device., so by my standards am not biased am just saying what I think is most important for me which is software not hardware bottom line is it doesn't give it a run for the money.:D
[Nexus One General] gothdroid:
Just so people know Samsung posted the source for the Galaxy S for download, just took a look through it, and it seems to have everything needed to start cooking up roms like maybe porting CM6 to it
[Nexus One General] BoostedSR20:
How is landscape typing? Do you find it easier because of the larger screen? The N1 was my first device without a keyboard, and I'm still horrible with the on-screen typing.
[Nexus One General] kolyan:
get htc-ime or swype or both. i couldnt type on stock keyboard myself...
[Nexus One General] motorjonny:
dev support for galaxy

http://opensource.samsung.com/ click mobile on the top bar and its the GT-I9000

This is an article

http://www.careace.net/2010/06/07/samsung-releases-open-source-code-for-galaxy-s/

Let the exodus begin... lol
[Nexus One General] BoostedSR20:
Yeah, I've been using HTC-ime since it came out for the N1.
[Nexus One General] worker1:
There's a modaco custom rom for it? I wonder when a vanilla android rom will be released. Is it on 2.2 yet?
[Nexus One General] hmanxx:
I owned both N1 and Galaxy-S.

Galaxy-S

1) Samsung indeed put in a very good Hardware, What I like most is the screen clarity..browsing experience is good ,text clarity is superb.., it is better and faster than N1 despite with Eclair Android 2.1.

2) What I hate the most..Samsung spoilt the initial out of box experience with its buggy FW.

Samsung buggy FW, it has poor memory management, try viewing a few video will cause Camera App to prompt out of memory.

Samsung UI-some options will not get thing to work on out of box..stupid Usability study.

Samsung keyboard -bad,no adjacent key correction feature,google stock keyboard is way better than the ship with keyboard App..

How I wish there is option to load Android 2.1 Native to Galaxy-S..this will get rid of most FW bugs introduced.

3) Battery - N1 is better.2 days(N1) versus 1 day..

however after 1 week usage...I started to accept the FW bugs and live with it till new FW ugprade, meanwhile, I used it more often for Web Browsing than my N1 and started to like it.

Galaxy-S Hardware win but the buggy FW spoilt the whole fun...Hopefully there is native Android 2.1-update1 ROM available for it...I dont fancy on those bloatware..and homescreen app..A reliable FW is very important.
[Nexus One General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
Why is everybody talking about that samoled screen as if its something special? As long as they keep using that darn pentilematrix display I will prefer lcds no matter what. Who cares if the black colors of superamoleds are blacker than on my n1 if we don't even get true wvga resolution? I want to have sharp and clear text on the display, but pentile displays can't provide that.
[Nexus One General] ericc191:
I believe the N1 has 802.11n
[Nexus One General] jaapschaap:
Correct but only 2.4Ghz!
[Nexus One General] RogerPodacter:
well i kinda agree, but i dont mind the pentile sub pixel layout so much. but i dont get what the big hype is over the super amoled screen. its identical to the nexus amoled screen, but it just has combined 2 of the touch layers into one layer, thus improving sunlight readability, and makes the display slightly thinner.

but from an indoors standpoint, the super amoled next to an amoled should be identical, no? so its kinda like if you have a nexus or incredible or desire already, your screen will look the same / just as good, but get better outdoor performance.
[Nexus One General] motorjonny:
I ran a side by side comparison.. sorry but the Galaxy blew away the clarity and color of the N1..

I compared the same livewallpaper. It is the water galaxy wallpaper you can splash around.. the samsung showed tons of ripples after touching.. and you could kinda see water ripples when touching the nexus wallpaper..

For anyone that missed my other post, the open source code has already been released by samsung..
[Nexus One General] basataom:
Right now, I'm personally debating between these 2. The main killer for me on nexus, is the bad music player audio quality (from what Ive read). Wheras the galaxy has an EQ.

However, from what Ive read, the galaxy doesnt support 3rd party headphones in phone calls.

Also worried about the limited custom roms for the american version (vibrant, etc). As far as a i know, mocado only works on the euro SGS
[Nexus One General] BoostedSR20:
I'm going to go check the AT&T version out (the captivate) when it hits. Found an article that says its coming July 18th, but thats a Sunday, thought that was a little odd..
[Nexus One General] James Bell:
As an ex Samsung Galaxy owner I'd say absolutely no way. The development community cannot overcome Samsung not releasing the drivers. This is why the Galaxy/Behold II are languishing in 1.6 (and happy to have gotten that far). This is not ancient history either, the Galaxy was a hot phone with great specs just 9 short months ago.

As someone else said, Samsung just wants you to buy the next phone. Stay away.
[Nexus One General] stuff:
HTC or nothing.

Samsung just makes a new device, like Apple, and wants you to buy it. Without even upgrading the older one. Atleast Apple applys their new iOS4 to previous versions. Samsung are douchers and probably won't ever let the Galaxy get 2.2
[Nexus One General] adambenjamin:
T-Mobile Vibrant Loses the Optical Trackpad

The T-mobile Galaxy S has lost the Optical Track Pad. What is the system for selecting text? Having a cursor arrow with trackball is by far my favorite method to select text, not those 2 iphone bubbles you move to the boundaries. There are countless scenarios where the trackpad/ball is critical. I am getting less and less excited for this phone recently :confused:
[Nexus One General] ericc191:
If I were choosing between the two, I'd consider getting a cheap Nokia until winter. That's when all the bad ass dual core phones start coming out. It's def worth the wait, imo.
[Nexus One General] Zenoran:
Indeed... which is pretty much equal to g... :(

Wonder if the galaxy has 5ghz?

At the end of it all... I think Froyo > all. Have you tried running froyo regularly then going back to 2.1? It's like crawling into the dark ages. No way. Sorry. No Froyo me no goyo! :P
[Nexus One General] MvP77:
Exactly! Im glad i paid full price for my nexus cause i am due for an upgrade from tmobile now. Been tempted buy the Galaxy S, but im not a fan a samsung. Im just gonna hold on to my nexus till holiday season. (WP7 And Dual Core Android!!)
[Nexus One General] Cuda1337:
Motorjonny posted a link to some source code Samsung just released? Is that not the source for the drivers? Can a dev comment on this? From everything Ive seen Samsung is supposed to be releasing this source, no?

And assuming they do, it will allow the development community to put 2.2, 3.0 or whatever else on there when the time comes.
[Nexus One General] julez456:
I don't know about the rest of you but I been on android since Day 1 of the G1. Actually Day -1 because I received mine the day before release day. I now have the N1 and I am ready to change again. I will be eligible for an upgrade on T-Mobile in October but I believe I will be buying the Vibrant straight up the day it comes out and save my upgrade for whatever other super phone comes out at the end of the year. So if the Vibrant looks as good in person as it does in the videos I've watched on it, I will most likely buy it in 3 days. (7/15/10) ;)
[Nexus One General] daveloft:
Yes but as far as I can tell it isn't even being utilized.
[Nexus One General] e4604:
im waiting for an worthwhile upgrade..something like this

http://designfabulous.blogspot.com/2010/07/htc-1.html
[Nexus One General] RogerPodacter:
I hate the track pad too, I've tried many of them and the track ball is always easier to use.
[Nexus One General] gorannn:
# Arrow

# Nexus vs Galaxy S
[Nexus One General] adambenjamin:
I hate the Optical Pad, but I hate it even more when there is no pad.
[Nexus One General] irishrally:
I can't wait for the HTC 2. The HTC 1 is so yesterday.
[Nexus One General] BoostedSR20:
I stopped at my local AT&T tonight, and I got to hold a Captivate. (I have a couple of friends that work there) The manager had it locked, and wasn't there, so I couldn't do anything but hold it, and turn the screen on. I think the size is perfect, not to large and oafy, (evo) but not too small. For reasons I can't really explain I think I prefer the the build of the N1, and the way it felt in hand, but I saw no problems at all with the Samsung. It looked and felt just fine.

I think I would rock this thing. I've pretty much gotten over no camera flash, but the lack of trackball/pad kinda worries me, and being able to unlock/root/flash it.

If someone told me tomorrow that I could unlock/root/flash CM6, I would *really* have to think about it. Of course this is all my own opinion...