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[Galaxy S I9000 General] t1mman:
Then just try to hold it differently, you'll see right away if it's a design flaw, just like the iPhone had to be hold a specific way to lose signal.

To come back on my comparaison with a car's climate control, only issue I had was the signal went all over the place... so it's still accurate to issue people are having. But then again, what's the point of argueing over an analogie... waste of time in my opinion!

I see a lot of people complaining over this issue here, arguing that it is worst than this and that but still, it's only complaining...

Still, in the end, it's deffenitivly not constructive, IE: nothing is added to the "finding" or the "solution" and I don't think (or it doesn't seems like) anything is done to try to fix it (holing position, diffenrent settings, different software). So, in the end, it's only complaining wich was already done when you've casted your vote on the poll...

In the end, it pretty much feels like this:
[Galaxy S I9000 General] milsjg:
I hope you do not seek a career as a market researcher ;>. My point is that it is to small sample and also to biased to get any good answer. People that think they have a problem with there phone, often use internet and seeks for a solution. This means that this forum and thread is going to be severely biased towards a faulty GPS. Thats why you can not make a statement that it is a severe problem. As far as I can tell it is just around 700 that have the problem out of 5 million, the rest is just guessing.

A top of that you have HTC and Apple trolls that has criticizing the SGS's GPS before they have bought one (yes thats true).

However I still think that the problem is that this forum's users and others discussing SGS's GPS, has to little knowledge about GPS or statistics in general and therefore the discussion seems to be sometimes miserable and lot of times hilarious. So what we have done is misinformed people that they have a bad GPS (because you cant have a SGS thats working because my don't) and they try to rectify a problem that havent existed for them by reading that you should change jupiter.xml or do some fancy stuff with the testmode or why not use an app-cleaner and delete GPS programs from memory every 10 minutes. After all the rectifying they will end up with a useless GPS thanks to the saviors that should have from the beginning gone to the nearest store and trade in there SGS to another crappy phone (HTC, Sony-Ericsson Nokia whatever) so they can complain in another forum.

Have a nice day and may the GPS satellites fly over your country today so you get a signal :D.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] darkoroje:
Or could it maybe be the other way around that those whose GPS work or they don't care how good it is refuse to believe that GPS is bad one many Galaxy phones? After all Samsung themselves have acknowledged the problem what more do you need to believe there is a problem with GPS?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] t1mman:
Samsung might have said that their is a problem with the GPS, not that ALL galaxy S have the problem, stating so would be plain sophism.

Like, for instance, the Internal SD issue is affecting SOME SGS, not all. Samsung's aknowledged the issue and worked on it.

You can not conlude anithing else here that "some" GPS has issue and Samsung aknowledge it and is working on a fix.

And, if you, as a consumer, feels betrayed and are not willing to accept the wait for a fix, the ONLY solution is to get another device. If you complain enough to your reseller, they will refund/exchange it.

The rest is pretty much only running in circle
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ~gtw:
I don't have an option to change, l there is no gps problem". I'm stick waiting for a fix that has been MONTHS in the making. No matter how you argue it, there is a gps problem. When I can connect a bluetooth gps and get "normal" results, but put to failed attempts with internal gps it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out its busted. I came here because of the gps issue, looking for a fix. I made no changes yet because I know changes to the ntp server will do little to nothing to resolve and ask other suggestions have ben stand in the dark.

Record enough jogging sessions and you will soon see just how crap it can get. If your into recording your orienteering, then its not a useful device.

700, hah! Call me cynical but I think samsung head office is sock puppeting right now.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Oletros:
And you know that nothing has done because you know all, right?

And if it's a waste of time, why are you always posting on this thread?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] DamianGto:
Lol.

Well i think many here don't understand how software or hardware works. That's sad.

If it hardware then it would effect all phone. Like it does on iphone 4.

If it software it can effect phone different depend on what software they run.

People here don't understand that it more complicate then this.

In a production it will always be unit that's bad. Some will go undetected through the test and go out to the market.

Even the quality can vary on the units. Some is perfect, most is good, some is bad.

This is fact on how it is and work in a production.

If you take this fact and apply it on sgs you will see why people has different experience with sgs.

The problem is when the persons who has the bad sgs is also the group that sound most.

The effect is that the group that has good sgs also think they may have bad sgs. Just for they will compare with the sgs that's perfect.

This group is also the group that read of problem and think they got one. They start messing with all kind of settings and software and end up with a bad sgs.

I have show that i do have a sgs that is perfect. Yes Im lucky. Even more lucky for i got 2 of them.

The problem here is that few understand that and think Im lie about the sgs and some think Im working for Samsung.

If you want to tell other how bad your sgs is, then do it in a constructive way.

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[Galaxy S I9000 General] ewingr:
I am finally giving up on anything being really fixed on the GPS, and finally tired of all the argument about what it is or isn't, etc. I guess I'll unsubscribe now.

Good luck to all.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] boliveira2:
Well according to Broadcom BCM4751 press release we should have a lot better gps than this. But we would all be happy if it is usable for navigation purposes. It doesn't need to be perfect, just usable. But neither Broadcom nor Samsung tell us if it's possible or not. In my opinion Broadcom should say something so we can know it's not their fault. Keeping it quiet, I can't help but think that it's not Samsung's only fault, and I will be very careful in the future about purchasing anything from Samsung or Broadcom...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] DamianGto:
To admit something like Samsung has, don't mean its a big problem.

My theory is that they do try to fix the bad sgs with software fix.

They will tweak the software so it will take care of issues that few people has.

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[Galaxy S I9000 General] darkoroje:
You a right, I admit, I changed some GPS settings and ruined it. It worked perfectly before, thank you for pointing the error of my ways.

Now that you have accomplished your mission may I suggest you leave this thread.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] t1mman:
The goal of a comunity, like here, is to TROUBLESHOOT issue, not just complain and give each others a tap in the back... So, in the matters of TROUBLESHOOT, you need to get facts and theories to reproduce the issue. Some of us don't have issues or used to have one and now don't.

You can stick with having everything the same and wait for a fix if you want, doesn't really matter. But frankly, complaining for the "pet in the back" gets no one further away in TROUBLESHOOTING...

My point exactly. I don't beleive the issue(s) doesn't exist like some might think (or might say), rather I want to help fix it. Wasn't the thread made for this, aren't all thread made for this?

If it is, then why are we arguing over the fact that some works and some don't? Why aren't we exploring avenues, trying theories, doing something instead of argueing for the sake of it...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] boliveira2:
That may be the case for some chip suppliers, but not for Broadcom... h ttp://www.broadcom.com/press/release.php?id=s444782
[Galaxy S I9000 General] darkoroje:
I am confused, I thought that your previous post stated that there is nothing to troubleshoot and it is all user error because of changing settings.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] t1mman:
Never said that, and don’t think anyone said that.

I'm rather putting up theories that have to be tested ie. Troubleshooting or corning the issue. I don't have issues so I can't test anything but tell what is showed / installed on mine or how I use it.

For the rest, well why don't we start testing instead of arguing.

As I wrote, this is a community. The goal is to help each other, not blame one another or calling names…
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Taifuuni89:
My opinion about this GPS issue is that the gps receiver does not get enough power to work with. This same problem is seen in iphones. Manufacturers have limited the given power to the receiver to get battery consumption down. I wish that someone could measure the given voltage/amps from the sgs motherboard and then compare the results with the specifications of the receiver. Then we could see is this the cause to all problems. What do you think?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] betoNL:
LOL...

Will the nagging never end??

The sgs's gps performance is better than many other smartphones I tested except

for the ones equiped with a sirfstarIII chipset. LIke I demonstrated on video....

My 2 videos got together already more than 5000 views on youtube and a couple of

thousand more views on other sites (without my permission but I dont mind ).

So if among of the 10.000 viewers, somebody from Samsung watched those videos,

wich conclusion the will come up with?

In both videos, sgs's gps performance is flawless with or WITHOUT any assist (2nd video)

like agps or aid of from an external device (first video) : CLICK HERE.

In the meantime I already did 5 more driving tests, always running Motonav and so far

no need for using my external bluetooth gps device..

So if your sgs is not performing at least as good as mine is, my conclusions are:

Or it's defective, or the problems are mostly (and often) USER-related...

And dont forget: Offline gps navigation is all about freedom ..:cool:

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[Galaxy S I9000 General] crabjoe:
The iPhone's antenna issue is not a hardware flaw as the hardware works as it's designed. The problem with the iPhone happens when a user grounds out the antenna, so the fix is as simple as moving a finger. That's the reason iPhone users aren't complaining. Apple acknowledged the design issue, the guy that approved the antenna placement got fired, Apple sent gave away bumpers for those users that wanted them and the rest just move their finger.

On the SGS or any of it's variants, Samsung acknowledged the problem with the GPS, put out a few software fixes that doesn't work and has kept mum on where the problem is. Users are left to try and figure out how to use a feature of a phone many paid hundreds of dollars for.

BTW purchasing an external GPS, to be able to use the SGS GPS function, isn't a solution when the SGS is supposed to have a working GPS that everyone has already paid for.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] crabjoe:
WRONG! Even with the iPhone 4, there are users that say thier phone is fine; even when the connect the 2 external antennas with their fingers.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] crabjoe:
In the US, AT&T stopped exchanging the Captivate for GPS issues within the 1st week of release. They said all the Captivates had a problem with the GPS and that Samsung would put out an update to fix it. The update was an Epic failure, the the Captivates GPS is still junk. So how many Galaxy S phone have a GPS problem? I'd say it's more then 700.

At 700 the problem with be nothing for Samsung to just replace any Galaxy S, instead of saying they will put out an update to "Optimize" the GPS. 700 units wouldn't cause every Galaxy S variant's forum to have GPS issue threads that go on and on and on....

I'm starting to think the SGS GPS issue is similar to BMW's recent recall with the fuel pump. They've been hiding it for years and settling with their customers under the table, with a non-disclosure clause. Their fix, when someone came into the dealership with a bad pump, was to replace the pump with the same pump that's been failing. Their reason was that they couldn't figure out what was causing the pump to fail. Well one woman got fed up when they replaced her pump and it failed when she was driving off the dealership lot. She called ABC news that investigated and now BMW is recalling 130K vehicles with this bad pump.... Until this lady raised a stink and it made the news, BMW was content to just keep building cars with a faulty pump. http://www.mediaite.com/online/abc-...-issue-a-voluntary-recall-of-130000-vehicles/

Now... Until this story broke, how many BMW's did you think had a problem with their fuel pump? Probably none.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ehe12:
don't worry, just keep sending the replacement phone back if the GPS problem is not solved. I believe the carrier would be fed up after 3-5 replacement being returned. they will start to negotiate with you, you then can ask for a different phone or maybe cancel the contract. There is nothing wrong with what you do, because you are doing the right thing-refuse to pay for faulty products.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ehe12:
are you saying samsung doesn't care about "500"people's thought about their product? How lovely! I can really see where samsung is going if they hire people like you...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] t1mman:
And here we go again with the arguing...

This is still pointless, don't really care about how much you think is a big deal, don't care about comparaison, don't care about runing like a headless chicken for no reason.

I DO care about trying to help people fix the issue, this is not helping people fix the issue...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] DamianGto:
The problem here is that the people here don't wanna hear that they have a phone trays broken or they have broken it. Still they are few sgs that's broken....

Even if there was a fix for all here they just move to some other minor fault and keep complaining.

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[Galaxy S I9000 General] ehe12:
i'm trying to help here.

I urge people who have gps problem with their sgs to send their phones back and get a replacement. If still not fixed, keep sending their phones back until they get a refund.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ehe12:
according to your theory, there's only 0.01% chance you get a faulty phone. well including the replacement I've got 2 in a row! the probability of getting 2 faulty phones in a row is 0.0001%! I should go get a lottery, with this luck I would win for sure!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] DamianGto:
Well I got 2 thats perfect...

So i gues im lucky to:D
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Samga:
Of course you're absolutely right that there probably is some bias towards people complaining about GPS here. But I don't think it to be very high, as it is not the only reason to visit XDA for SGS owners :)

Besides you contradict yourself when you state that people come here because they have a problem with GPS and at the same time you say people you claim having good GPS are coming here and are being told to rectify it resulting in bad GPS. (I was unhappy with my GPS without having changed any settings, btw.)

Your conclusion that there are only 700 out of 5 million having the problem shows that you really are a well informed professional market research guru! ;)

And as a guru, when making a poll you would probably ask tens of thousands if they have a problem, to get a nice big sample ;) (I don't know who would pay you for such big samples though...). :rolleyes:

Well, my little polemical calculation example was just to get a plausible idea - with a pinch of salt - how it could be that some millions SGS are faulty without having some millions of votes here, and by no means any statistical proof (well, in fact I did statistics and market research during my studies, but that's not the point here).

When thinking of sending back the SGS for replacement you have to consider:

It is not sure at all that a replacement unit has better GPS

It takes some time

There is still hope for a fix in a few weeks

The replacement unit could have some other defect (I already had a replacement, but an immediate one within the 14 days period)

The SGS has some other advantages compared to competing devices, so I don't want to exchange it by another model only because of the GPS

I haven't seen yet any solid side-by-side comparison of two SGS where one has good GPS and the other one a bad GPS.

To be sure it's not software related:

Both must have exactly the same firmware version

Both must be completely wiped before conducting the test

Settings and software must be the same

From the beginning (wipe) to the end they must be placed together

When running the test, the devices should be equally positioned to the satellite signal

The test must be run in urban area (difficult for GPS) as well

The test should be run e.g. three times for 0.5 hour

The tracks should be recorded

Would be great if someone could perform such a test!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] foxbat121:
You either really suck at math or you agree SGS has extremely high failure rate. Which one is it?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] DamianGto:
If you have read what i did write before you should understand what i did mean.

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[Galaxy S I9000 General] mauro_s:
Ok, please try to install gps test (you can find it in the market) and let me know if your SGS can reach an accuraracy less then 10 meter and mantain it for a long time.....I don't think so.

Then try an external bluetooth GPS mouse with chip SIRF STAR III and let me know the difference......

I have already tested both ..... SIRF STAR III can mantain an accuracy around 2 - 4 meters also in the urban canyon....
[Galaxy S I9000 General] DamianGto:
If you read this tread you will see i have posted what signal i have.

I do have lock all the time.

It also 5 meters.

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[Galaxy S I9000 General] mauro_s:
And you have accuracy better than 5 meter all the time driving in the urban canyon ?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] andrewluecke:
Firstly, the accuracy field has been shown to be wrong MANY times in the past. Secondly, just because your dodgy little app says you have lock 24/7, doesn't mean it's producing accurate tracks. Do you actually have tracks to show (complex ones, don't show us a 5 minute drive on a freeway which only curves a maximum of 5degrees at any time)?

Because here's a JPM track. Trust me, I can't walk on average at 142km/h... Tell me the GPS is great mofo.. Come on, I DOUBLE DARE you!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] DamianGto:
It show 5 meters.

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[Galaxy S I9000 General] andrewluecke:
So? That's an estimate. If that's what your argument is based on, your argument is totally wrong... Get us some COMPLEX tracks
[Galaxy S I9000 General] DamianGto:
No. It based on my experience and i have showed that i do have a very good signal strength.

Gps test, my track don't give much truths on how the gps works.

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[Galaxy S I9000 General] phoenixdigital:
Here are some tests I did on a Galaxy S i9000 with various firmwares comparing it to an iPhone 3G. I have not had that many issues and I tried some pretty exaustive tests some with wifi on and off, some with the GPS fix apps

The stock firmware mentioned in each test is I9000DTJG4

1st Test : http://tinyurl.com/24m63xw

2nd Test : http://tinyurl.com/23wpvz2

3rd Test : http://tinyurl.com/26gcaet

4th Test : http://tinyurl.com/2dz6x9l

In all I am pretty happy with my GPS now.

In the first test the Galaxy S lost the plot after the big bridge and never recovered... Not sure why but it was fine subsequent days.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] DamianGto:
Cover your ears.....;-)

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[Galaxy S I9000 General] andrewluecke:
Why, they show him cycling into water, buildings and trees regularly.. He might be happy with that, that's his choice.

But you personally Damian are arguing how awesome GPS is, without proving a damned thing. You don't seem to understand that tracks prove a lot more than simply checking the accuracy...

There are 2 grades of GPS really, fitness grade, and navigation grade. For navigation, the GPS now seems fine, but if you had actually tested your GPS properly, I think you'd discover that it isn't really fitness grade..
[Galaxy S I9000 General] phoenixdigital:
You obviously only looked at the first test and didn't read the descriptions about what each test was. The GPS works fine and doesn't have me riding into water or trees (with the exception of some weird issue on the first track only) . Infact it is a touch more accurate than the iPhone 3G.

I'm not saying your lying. Yours is obviously crap but maybe try some newer firmwares and see if that fixes it. Otherwise you may have a hardware fault.

Edit: and in the second test the big dip into the river is because I am riding under a freeway for some distance. No GPS can get accurate readings under a few feet of concrete.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] darkoroje:
You forgot to put the Samsung copyright statement in that video. Was that not mentioned at the Samsung employee induction ?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] DamianGto:
Well if you know something about gps you would know that if you have lock on 9-10 satellites with a strength around 40 for most of the time you should know you have a good gps.

Why would i upload a crappy mytrack? you can always se alot of flaw in them. But that's don't show on the phone.

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[Galaxy S I9000 General] darkoroje:
Thank you Damian you have earned your bonus for today. Now you have some rest you have a lot of trolling to do tomorrow
[Galaxy S I9000 General] andrewluecke:
It's JPM, you can't get newer.. I suspect that perhaps the location settings are poorly set up on the phone, and Samsung should tweak that to improve it.

However, my point is that DamianGTO is running around without proving ANYTHING whatsoever. In fact, it seems likely based on what Damian is claiming is based entirely on the GPS status application..And he should post tracks, not read the accuracy setting in GPS status.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] mauro_s:
Take a look to this two tracks.

I have recorded them today, in a sunny day:

SGS:

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=207254490754231240195.000493a9415fa1e9648fc

SGS with external GPS SIRF STAR III:

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=207254490754231240195.000493a9435b6041555a6
[Galaxy S I9000 General] compuse:
^ That's better than i expected though, i bet that they would outperform eachother when switching routes though(=/), .. even the sirfstar could be buggy on easy roads.. both were off once.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] mauro_s:
No, where you see the sirfstar out, there is an error in google map. In that point there is a new roundabout.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] andrewluecke:
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