yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Galaxy S I9000 General] thephawx:
It's not *actually* a gryo. It's using an accelerometer and geo-magnetic sensor together that can determine 6-axis of control.

And all 4 versions of the phone have this six-axis sensor.

Edit: That isn't to say that this method of six-axis control isn't as good as the iPhone. I honestly don't know how it fares against it. The only thing you should take away from this is that it's actually more efficient. The iPhone uses four sensors to: Accelerometer/Magnetometer/Gyro/Proximity. Whereas the Galaxy S uses 3 sensors: Accelerometer/Magnetometer(+gryo-ish axis)/proximity.

As far as I can see, it's just a gyro smashed together with a magnetometer. Something like this: http://www.global.yamaha.com/news/2006/20060726.html

So, I want to say that it would deliver the same fidelity as the iPhone 4's Gyro, however, I couldn't tell you. Also, I don't think that Android has an API's that currently make use of full six-axis control. So developers would have to do it all themselves.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] kolyan:
looks like ATT has gyro, Sprint has flashlight, Euro has front-facing cam......what the hell does Tmo get ? Non of those features ?

This is stupid, why not release phone with all those features on all carriers......
[Galaxy S I9000 General] thephawx:
Again, just to be clear. All four models will be getting this Acclerometer+GeoMagnetic sensor
[Galaxy S I9000 General] kolyan:
oh..... ok
[Galaxy S I9000 General] bl4ckdr4g00n:
I think the accelerometer in iphone is just biaxial while SGS has a triaxial accelerometer.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] aeo087:
Actually if you give swype a try you'll find a physical keyboard to be just bulk... Sprint's does seem to have everything: Flash, keyboard, and front camera... I read something about it not having a lot of internal memory though.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] thephawx:
@kolyan

Hope you didn't take offense.

@aeo087

You are correct. The Epic 4G is said to have 1GB of usable mem and the Verizon Fascinate is only supposed to have 2GB. Obviously they can all be expandable with MicroSD storage.

Also the keyboard is a negative to my wife. She just like candy-bar style.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Tyxerakias:
My european Galaxy S has a front facing camera.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] emelie:
european galaxy s has front facing camera, i can confirm that.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ConceptVBS:
T-Mobile has the biggest internal memory storage of them all. I believe it is 16GB.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] accinfo:
The answer is none.

Please be specific with your question.

but what exactly is "all components"?

AT&T 16gb, No FFC, No flash, gyroscope

Tmobile 16gb, No FFC, No flash, gyroscope

Verizon 2gb, No FFC NOT SURE, flash, gyroscope, Wi-fi Hotspot supported

Sprint 1gb, Yes FFC NOT SURE, Flash, gyroscope, Keyboard, wi-fi hotspot supported

International 8/16gb, FFC, no Flash, gyroscope (not sure)

As you can see there is something missing in each one.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] chaoscentral:
only US model with a FFC is the Sprint one. and afaik the Sprint one also has the wifi hotspot feature enabled as well albeit extra per month

and reason why they took the FFC out of the ATT Verizon and T-Mobile ones is because those networks dont support video calls. end of story
[Galaxy S I9000 General] accinfo:
networks don't support video calls?

Do you know what technology of the network support that?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] chaoscentral:
well its more an issue of bandwidth, 3G can technically support it, but isnt enabled on T-Mobile AT&T or Verizon atm. T-Mobile will most likely be next in line considering they are HSPA+ 21mbps which is faster than WiMax. Plus they just recently launched the Nokia E73 Mode which has a FFC, just video calls not supported currently.

EDIT: My theory as to why ATT Verizon and Tmobile left out the FFC is because unlike the iPhone they cant dictate whether or not its a wifi only feature because of the nature of Android. So since they dont currently have the bandwidth they left it out instead of leaving it in.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] siberslug:
T-Mobile network does support it, I've been doing video calls on there network, They just don't want to bog down there network with people doing video calls.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] chaoscentral:
well like I said bandwidth issue at the moment. By the end of the year with HSPA+ available to most of its network I think it'll be more commonplace.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Supermighty:
How important do you think the camera flash is? I want to take decent photos but don't know how much the flash plays into that.

Also the Epic 4G is the only one with a dedicated camera button.

How do you think the sliding keyboard be? I'd be concerned that it'd be too flimsy and break easily. I'd like a keyboard but not one that is weak.

All in all the Sprint Epic looks like the one for me. Except for the keyboard question.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] lgkahn:
only 1g of data in the epic is a huge limitatin more than flash, keyboard etc. not to mention that there are not many places with sprint 4g.. not even boston.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] chaoscentral:
tell me about it, I'm less than 6 miles from Boston so was hoping I'd have 4G and planned on getting the Epic, tried out a friedns evo and was disappointed by the lack of 4G in a major metropolitan area
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Perrosky:
well in my case I live nj near to philadelphia there is 4g all over the place, but I won't leave tmobile because sprint 4g and front facing camera with led NOPE, front facing camera I really don't see my self giving alot of use to that, led if you gonna take a picture turn the lights on :P or use your picture camera, the only reason for me would be the 4g part since I tether to my laptop and Ipad while on the go (very use full for me) but prices I have 2 lines 1500 shared minutes unlimited tex and internet for $139.99 speed it's from 1.5 to 3mbps for that price? great sprint or any other carrier can't beat that + sprint charges you $10 extra for the $4g that is not available everywhere, how cool is that? :D I
[Galaxy S I9000 General] siberslug:
I didn't want the phone after I seen it did not have a flash, but after I though about how many times I have used my camera on my Nexus one (3 time in 6 months) I decided it was not important. I will miss the flashlight feature I use on my Nexus One though
[Galaxy S I9000 General] AllGamer:
OMG!!!!!! 1GB or 2GB !!! horrible!!!

i'll much rather lose the slide out keyboard + flash for the build in 16 GB :eek:
[Galaxy S I9000 General] AllGamer:
regardless of what phone with flash you have, the flash is never strong enough for a decent picture.

it's best to carry a good tiny keychain flashlight with wide beam when taking night pictures.

digital cameras takes better picture at normal room lighting, than using a flash
[Galaxy S I9000 General] caelestis2:
If you search the forum, the camera has a low aperture setting to allow night shots which is better than flash.

Front facing camera on network that doesn't support video calls is useless.

Keyboard/virtual is just a personal preference, but I find the time you need to flip it open, wait for screen to reload, and swype's speed make a physical pointless.

When will you really need a gyro? I understand for video game controlers, but its not all that useful when your controller is the screen, no?

And woah, ATT's phone has 16GB of internal storage? For 199$? That's good! I thought it only had 8. Is internal faster than sd?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] chaoscentral:
just buy a $1 LED flashlight for your keychain, problem solved :)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] kolyan:
i dont have key chains, just one key for my car. front door to condo complex opens with cell phone and unit door has keypad :) so flash light is pretty important for me......use it about once per week or two.....

i might understand why they took out FFC, but whats the reason to take out flash ? i mean who can ever think of this ?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] dseo80:
Although International and Some others have 16GB internal memory, only a few GB are used for the phone. The rest is simply the same as sdcard space.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Balthazar B:
The problem with supporting video calling is not speed so much as backhaul capability, followed by latency. It's pretty clear the major US carriers are pretty challenged by that, and may be for some time.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Pika007:
Hi everyone

For quite a long time i've been thinking about the whole "galaxy s can do 90mpolys per second" thing.

It sounds like total bull****.

So, after many, many hours of googling, and some unanswered mails to imgtec, i'd like to know-

Can ANYONE provide any concrete info about the SGX540?

From one side i see declerations that the SGX540 can do 90 million polygons per second, and from the other side i see stuff like "Twice the performance of SGX530".

...but twice the performance of SGX530 is EXACTLY what the SGX535 has.

So is the 540 a rebrand of the 535? that can't be, so WHAT THE HELL is going on?

I'm seriously confused, and would be glad if anyone could pour light on the matter.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] thephawx:
I asked a Samsung rep what the difference was and this is what I got:

Q: The Samsung Galaxy S uses the SGX540 vs the iPhone using the SGx535. The only data I can find seems like these two GPU's are very similar. Could you please highlight some of the differences between the SGX535 and the SGX540?

A: SGX540 is the latest GPU that provides better performance and more energy efficiency.

SGX535 is equipped with 2D Graphic Accelerator which SGX540 does not support.

I also tried getting in contact with ImgTec to find out an answer, but I haven't received a reply back. It's been two weeks now.

Also, the chip is obviously faster than snapdragon with the adreno 200 gpu. I don't know if Adreno supports TBDR, I just know it's a modified Xenon core. Also, Galaxy S uses LPDDR2 ram. So throughput is quite a bit faster, even though it's not *as* necessary with all the memory efficiencies between the Cortex A8 and TBDR on the SGX540.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] AllGamer:
i think that is the cue, for cost saving for Samsung

besides who will need a 2D Accelerator, with a CPU as fast as it's already.

The HTC Athena (HTC Advantage) failed miserably at adding the ATI 2D Accelerator which no programmers were able to take advantage of, in the end the CPU did all the work.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Adriaaaaan:
I'd imagine its a 535 at 45nm. Just a guess, the cpu is also 45nm
[Galaxy S I9000 General] voodoochild2008:
Having tried a few phones the speed in games is far better, much better fps though there is a problem that we might have to wait for any games to really test its power as most are made to run on all phones.

This was the same problem with the xbox and ps2, the xbox had more power but the ps2 was king and so games were made with its hardware in mind which held back the xbox, only now and then did a xbox only game come out that really made use of its power....years later xbox changed places which saw 360 hold the ps3 back (dont start on which is better lol) and the ps3 has to make do with 360 ports but when it has a game made just for it you really get to see what it can do...anywayits nice to know galaxy is future proof game wise and cannot wait to see what it can do in future or what someone can port on to it.

On a side note I did read that the videos run through the graphics chip which is causing blocking in dark movies (not hd...lower rips) something about it not reading the difference between shades of black, one guy found a way to turn the chip off and movies were all good, guess rest of us have to wait for firmware to sort this.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] bl4ckdr4g00n:
smart move sammy
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Pika007:
voodoochild2008-

I wouldn't say we'd have to wait so much.

Even today, snapdragon devices don't do very well in games, since their fillrate is so low (133Mpixels)

Even the motorola droid (SGX530 at 110mhz, about 9~ Mpoly's and 280~ Mpixels with that freq) fares MUCH better in games, and actually, runs pretty much everything.

So i guess the best hardware is not yet at stake, but weaker devices should be hitting the limit soon.

bl4ckdr4g00n- Why the hell should we care? I don't see any problem with 2D content and/or videos, everything flies at lightspeed.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] voodoochild2008:
well I can live in hope, and I guess apples mess (aka the iphone4) will help now as firms are heading more towards android, I did read about one big firm in usa dropping marketing for apple and heading to android, and well thats what you get when you try to sell old ideas...always made me laugh when the first iphone did like 1meg photo when others were on 3meg, then it had no video when most others did, then they hype it when it moves to a 3meg cam and it does video.....omg, ok I am going to stop as it makes my blood boil that people buy into apple, yes they started the ball rolling and good on them for that but then they just sat back and started to count the money as others moved on.................oh and when I bought my galaxy the website did say "able to run games as powerfull as the xbox (old one) so is HALO too much to ask for lol
[Galaxy S I9000 General] primarilydna:
wait so what about the droid x vs the galaxy s gpu?? i know the galaxy s is way advanced in specs wise... the droid x does have a dedicated gpu can anyone explain??
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Pika007:
The droid X still uses the SGX530, but in the droid x, as opposed to the original droid, it comes in the stock 200mhz (or at least 180)

At that state it does 12-14Mpolygons/sec and can push out 400-500Mpixels/sec

Not too shabby
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ConceptVBS:
he 535 is a downgrade from the 540. 540 is the latest and greatest from the PowerVR line.

Samsung did not cost cut, they've in fact spent MORE to get this chip on their Galaxy S line. No one else has the 540 besides Samsung.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Adriaaaaan:
Like i said, its probably just a process shrink which means our gpu uses less power and is possibly higher clocked.

p.s. desktop gfx haven't had 2d acceleration for years removing it saves transistors for more 3d / power!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] TexUs:
This worries me as well... Seems like it might not be as great as what we thought. HOWEVER again, this is a new device that might be fixed in firmware updates. Because obviously the hardware is stellar, there's something holding it back

http://www.slashgear.com/droid-x-review-0793011/

"We benchmarked the DROID X using Quadrant, which measures processor, memory, I/O and 2D/3D graphics and combines them into a single numerical score. In Battery Saver mode, the DROID X scored 819, in Performance mode it scored 1,204, and in Smart mode it scored 963. In contrast, the Samsung Galaxy S running Android 2.1 – using Samsung’s own 1GHz Hummingbird CPU – scored 874, while a Google Nexus One running Android 2.2 – using Qualcomm’s 1GHz Snapdragon – scored 1,434. "

The N1's performance can be explained by the fact it's 2.2...

But the Droid X, even with the "inferior" GPU, outscored the Galaxy S? Why?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] lianglqufo:
Same here. I want to know which one is has the better performance as well.

Besides that. Does anyone know which CPU is better between Dorid X and Galaxy S?

I knew that OMAP chip on the original Droid can overclock to 1.2Ghz from what, 550Mhz?

How about the CPU on Droid X and Galaxy S? Did anyone do the comparison between those chips? Which can overclock to a higher clock and which one is better overall?

Sorry about the poor English. Hope you guys can understand.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] thephawx:
The CPU in the DroidX is a stock Cortex A8 running at 1GHz. The Samsung Hummingbird is a specialized version of the Cortex A8 designed by Intrinsity running at 1Ghz.

Even Qualcomm does a complete redesign of the Cortex A8 in the snapdragon cpu at 1GHz. But while the original A8 could only be clocked at 600Mhz with a reasonable power drain, the striped down versions of the A8 could be clocked higher while maintaining better power.

An untouched Cortex A8 can do more at the same frequencies compared to a specialized stripped down A8.

If anything the Samsung Galaxy S is better balanced, leveraging the SGX 540 as a video decoder as well. However, the Droid X should be quite snappy in most uses.

At the end of the day. You really shouldn't care too much about obsolescence. I mean the Qualcomm Dual-core scorpion chip is probably going to be coming out around December.

Smart phones are moving at a blisteringly fast pace.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Pika007:
TexUs-

I wouldn't take it too seriously.

Quadrant isn't too serious of a benchmark, plus, i think you can blame it on the fact that 2D acceleration in the SGS is done by the processor, while the DROID X has 2D acceleration by the GPU.

I can assure you- There is no way in hell that the SGX540 is inferior to the 530. It's at least twice as strong in everything related to 3D acceleration.

I say- let's wait for froyo for all devices, let all devices clear from "birth ropes" of any kind, and test again. with

more

than one benchmark.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] aeo087:
The SGS might be falling behind in I/O speeds... It is well known that all the app data is stored in a slower internal SD-card partition... Has anyone tried the benchmarks with the lag fix?

Also, if only android made use of the GPU's to help render the UI's... It's such a shame that the GPU only goes to use in games...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Pika007:
Using the GPU to render the UI would take tons of battery power.

I preffer it being a bit less snappy, but a whole lot easier on the battery.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] TexUs:
Smart phones aren't but batteries are.

IMO the only way we haven't had huge battery issues because all the other tech (screen, RAM power, CPU usage, etc) has improved...

Dual core or 2Ghz devices sound nice on paper but I worry if the battery technology can keep up.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] lianglqufo:
I think so. The battery will be the biggest issue for the smart phone in the future if it just remain 1500mAh or even less.

The dual-core CPU could be fast but power aggressive as well.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] nanolite:
How come?

GPU are CPUs with a focus on calculating graphics data, in other words more effective, thus GPU. Unless this is wrong, a GPU would require less energy to do the same thing the CPU does, when it comes to UI.

And what about the lack of 2D acceleration mentioned above, does this mean we will never see fluid menu transitions on our beloved SGSs?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] mundano:
Galaxy S scores 8FPS across all the 2D test in Quadrand Benchmark VS 5 to 6 FPS in the DROID X VS 4 to 5 FPS in the Evo 4...

I don't think you have to worry about 2D performance.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] verdantchile:
SGX530: features target OpenGL ES 2+ for phones, triangle transform every ~15 cycles (13.3M tri/sec at 200 MHz), 1 texture mapping unit, 2 shader pipes

SGX535: features target DirectX 9L for UMPCs, similar triangle rate as 530, 2 texture mapping units, 2 shader pipes

SGX540: features target OpenGL ES 2+, twice the geometry performance of 53x line, 2 texture mapping units, 4 shader pipes

<50% shader workload is considered for the quoted geometry performance in order to provide a realistic performance scenario. Samsung's quoted 90M tri/sec is some kind of theoretical measure.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] evertec:
Yes, that's exactly right. If you look at the breakdown in quadrant the galaxy s performs better than the droid x in every area except IO. When a lag fix is installed, the scores improve by a lot.
[XPERIA X10 Themes and Apps] knudsen81:
Hello Everyone

I now got my mini and i had have a hero but i allways had a problem with im on android... Is there really not a im app for the mini that can stay connected with the screen off, every time i turn on the screen after 1 hour the im says reconnecting or it's closed.....

What do you others people use ????
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] gthing:
I imagine someone has posted them but my searching has yielded no results. The Android Wallpapers disappeared after the last update and I actually liked them. Where can I find them?

Edit: Here they are: http://www.nexusoneforum.net/wallpapers/g508-nexus-one-wallpapers.html
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] sfox8:
Ditto. I know they must still be available on the phone somewhere. When I updated to the newest version, I was using one of them and it was still set as my wallpaper after the update.
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] trentlythp:
That makes 3 of us. I searched a lot but turned up nothing

Sent via the Sprint HTC EVO
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] pseudoremora:
Are you three talking about the stock EVO wallpapers? If so -- I've attached them below. For all other wallpapers, please go to the Theme's thread; there is a huge thread about wallpapers.

Actually, I'll just link the thread.

All three of you

need

to refine your searching skills!

Stock wallpapers:
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] trentlythp:
Thanks for the zip, but if I am reading the OP correctly and what I believe we are looking for it is the "Android Wallpapers" that were removed with the last OTA. I still have the HTC one though. Before the OTA there was another option for wallpapers that was removed. I am still searching though :)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] creatureofthedark:
i know this is probably somewhere and il get told off for asking this but i have searched and searched for the past 3 days now and just got a load of confusing stuff about Olipro Hard SPL 2.10 (which i have now worked out to be a boot loader..... i think....) but most the links i found go to a nonworking wiki page..... can some one give me a simple how to guide??? I am completely new to WM and flashing these devices so i have no idea what i am doing.....

thankyou for any help you can give me

edit: the main thing a actualy need is to use my 8GB microSD card... if there is a simple update i can put with WM5 then that would be perfect!!!!

edit 2: im running on Windows Mobile 5.0 with the Messaging and Security Feature Pack OS 5.1.461 (Build 15671.3.3.0) i think there is a more recent version of this but its not on the htc website..... and i cant find anything anywhere....
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] t_tangent:
Hi,

I am also new to this forum and to using Winmo but to flash your rom to one of the cooked roms available on this site you just need to connect your Hermes to your pc and make sure that active sync is connected up. Make a backup of your data such as contacts, messages, etc. Then you need to run Olipro Hard SPL 2.10 as that will prevent a bad install from turning your Hermes into a brick. Find more info about that and download Hard-SPL-V7.zip at the bottom of the first post on following page.

xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=296722

Once you have finished running Hard-SPL you can then run one of the Roms here. I am using Shamanix`s WM6 Ultimate v2 FINAL at the moment which is really nice.

xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=359917

But there are loads of other really cool cooked roms which I will try out sometime. Next one I will try is CRCs Release 13.5 - Stable which looks very cool too.

xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=387990

Hope that helps some. Cheers, t_t
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam Software Upgradin] xjuk:
hi and thanks for help!

How is it going to relate to unlocking? I have a cingular 8525 which I unlocked after a few days of struggle.

Will it be unlocked after the update or I have to unlock it again?

I have:

ROM: 2.15.502.3
ROM DATE: 04/09/07
RADIO v: 1.16.00.00
Protocol 32.53.7018.01h
[XPERIA X10 General] gfgodoy:
I did the new root method, (23) 2v2. With market fix and all.

The headphones started working BUT not all the time.

It works if I start mediascape with it connected, but as soon as I unplug it if re-insert it it doesn't work.

Either I have to wait for 1-2 mins, or mute the volume, or kill timescape.

This is really strange as I did the latest root method (re did steps 4 and 5)