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[Galaxy S I9000 General] Landorin:
This is the same issue I see in my daily work as tech support:

of course only the people who have issues will complain and of course only those that are affected by this problem (and who know and are registered in this forum), hard to make assumptions from this for how broken the phone might be.

Looking at the amazing stuff people create and publish in these forums it seems they are damn smart and have great skills to modify existing phone software and even complete firmwares.

So if these people now experiment with the GPS and can't fix it, I kinda slowly start doubting it is only software related. If it were, someone here would probably have at least been successful at improving the situation, if not even fix it.

I was holding my breath until the official Froyo was out but nothing seemed to have changed. Now my return period is about to expire, I will have to send it back most likely as I don't want to wait for an additional fix that might not come (companies often broke promises about providing a future fix for this and that).

How come others (including me) have a HTC phone which is years old and their GPS is always accurate and never seems to mess up? All I know is they use a SirfIII chip, not sure what Samsung is using and whether this plays any role at all.

P.S.: you really think Samsung would care for some users showing a few tracks saying "look! it got issues!" if they already confirmed it as an issue (as some people here said)? If they really know about it, it's a matter of company politics whether or not they will fix it, regardless of what people think, the phone probably sells well nevertheless.

On the other hand, there's no harm in trying to make them aware of it.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] NagyBaj:
Hey common, that's exactly what I said 2-3 posts ago, but no-one seems to be jumping on the bandwagon.

We can continue crying about it (but that obviously isn't going to solve anything) or we can build a factual case and slam it at them.

Anyone have an idea how we could each individually scientifically measure the gps' error? (I'm afraid mytracks won't constitute as legitimate proof)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Oletros:
Are you calling me liar?

When a company like Samunsg or Apple acknowledge a problem in a product is because is not a little percentage of them that have problems.

When you see on a lot of forums a lot of problems with GPS is because it's not so uncommon, so don't say someone is a liar.

And then someopne will say that people which have an iPhone is a fanboy.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] snaff:
This is a good idea I think. engadget.com has a 'tip us on news' link at the bottom of their main page. I've just sent them this message:

Anyone who feels the same please copy the sentiment.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] DamianGto:
If you say its on all galaxy s phone then you are a lier.

I know some people has this problem, but i know alot don't.

I do have a iphone so i can compare them. The gps in both of my sgs is better then iphone.

That's fact.

So try to understand that there alot of sgs phone that work very good.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] NagyBaj:
Can someone who claims to have a flawless unit (from a GPS perspective) post their mytracks as proof as well as the time of purchase?

cheers
[Galaxy S I9000 General] NagyBaj:
I followed suit.

.. that's at least 2 emails now
[Galaxy S I9000 General] cantIntoCode:
lets make that 3, seriously people we need to get this noticed :\
[Galaxy S I9000 General] DamianGto:
It shall be funny when they test it and it working. Lol
[Galaxy S I9000 General] cbdrift:
developers questions :

now that froyo is out and the source code is as well - is the source code for the gps module available to work on

is it possible to re-write the gps driver module with the information and source code released so far?

is it possible to fix the gps turning itself off after its been turned on for a while?

is it possible to make a program that

a) every hour disables the gps and re-enabled the gps to get around the "gps turns itself off"

b) polls the gps for position data - so that the gps module keeps up to date and has position data available when its requested

c) downloads the assist data from cellsites and keeps that up to date

most of the "joe blogs" gps issues look like they could be solved with using google or nokias supl server and getting the agps data downloaded every time the gps is accessed by a program and keeping the gps running so that its got position data available pretty much all the time...

And a sort of related question - does anyone know what the antenna plug inside the back cover is for?

the cell or the gps?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] DamianGto:
Your statement is flaw.

I live in Spain and use Google supl.

I use the gps every day.

I have used some gps before the sgs.

Last it was the iphone.

Sgs was little of with stock firmware.

But with Jm1 it easy why better and it worked good after some tweaks.

With jpk and now with jpm its spot on.

I drive in the city and on highway without any problem.

And i don't point my phone to the north at all.

Can you just explain why its working for me?

I think you got a bad phone and now you want all phone to be bad so you can tell everybody about it and feel good when you change the phone.

Problem with troll like you is that you don't understand that there is always bad phones in every production series/batch.

People that get this phone always telling others how bad the phone is and all phone is like this.

The truth is that they don't understand much about production.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] cbdrift:
samsung have said there is a fault

are you calling them a liar?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ghosty_uk:
love teh analigy, kudos on that.

are you blind or something, i have had 2 SGS's side by side running lbs test menu, and while one failed to pick up a lock, and the other picked up 7 sats, it definatly points to a problem. and to clarify and back up my argument, i posted 3 tracks:

this is the first track i recorded, after i manged to get it to upload to google, (this is about a month after getting the replacement), in all my maps the blue represents ty tracks data and orange represents the actual route.

this was with JF3 stock rom, no mods bar apps, using both gps and wireless networks

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UT...,0.021136&z=16

this is a JM1 track

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UT...,0.084543&z=14

this is a JPM track i recorded just yesterday.

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UT...,0.021136&z=16

as you can see JF3 was appaling, JM1 was actually fairly good, and JPM is wors than JF3. however these are only with my tracks.

lets see if you have the balls to post one of your so called perfect tracks, use my tracks (its free from the market place), then lets see how perfect both your SGS's are.

as for the geting samsung to admit to it, ill be talking with my lawyer tomorrow so ill see whre we all legally stand but i think it mite be down to prescedent (as in if no-one has sued over this issue before it mite be harder to prove).
[Galaxy S I9000 General] cba1986:
I told you. Don't waste your breath....
[Galaxy S I9000 General] DamianGto:
I give up. No use to explain for trolls. You already made up your mind that all phone has this flaw.

Sent from sgs with Z4Mod on jpm
[Galaxy S I9000 General] lafaya:
Tested Co-Pilot and the GPS stuttered. Good thing Google Market has a refund policy.

I rang Optus and Samsung Mobile and I am getting a replacement phone. I just need to go in store and pick up another one. First thing is first though. I need to reflash back to stock and delete all traces of modding :).

I urge people with (genuinely) faulty GPS to do the same. There is no fix in sight so don't get screwed around by Samsung.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] mike.sw:
wow man, so much conspiracy theories lol.

every production has faults but when it's not 1 in a 100 but 1 in 10 or 1 in 5 it's some major production problem not just a box of new cellphones the fell of the truck.

some ppl have issues with the camera not working, some have crashes and lags, it all can happen but you dont see here countless threads about camera problems or memory or anything else.

but you do see it for gps. so there's a problem with the gps. it's not like anyone is trying to convince others not to buy sgs because of that, they just looking for a solution and samsung's "support" is not really there.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] mike.sw:
i really don't know but if it didn't happen yet, i guess it's impossible or very hard.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Oletros:
Can you quote where I have said that there is problems on ALL the SGS's? Thanks

And the only troll here are you calling liars or trolls everyone saying that have problems with their GPS
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ehe12:
nobody said the issue is on all galaxy s, otherwise I will have to give up and get another phone.

It's you keep saying someone said it's on all phones...

I've called Orange and asked them to do something for me. a collection has been arranged for me.

hopefully this will be sorted out with no problem.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] t1mman:
That's probably the best way to go, their might be some faulty hardware, not "all of them". So, since this device is covered by 1 year waranty, just get it serviced or exchanged.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] darkoroje:
It is more likely that there is a design fault with Galaxy which makes GPS performance marginal, and, depending on your particular phone and geographical location, GPS will work better or worse. But I don't believe there is a single Galaxy S where the GPS works as well as on comparable smartphones.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] t1mman:
You might have a batch of "bad chip", a first batch with flaws corrected, all sort of reasons why some might be better than others. And since not "all" devices have thoses issue, it's more likely.

Furthermore, some users here have reported that having it serviced/exchanged fixed the issue. Anyway, if you can get the device exchanged, what do you have to lose?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] vigge_sWe:
I have 10 sats in use and 10 meter accuracy on a cloudy day with heavy rain. I am gonna test to drive my bike around a bit some sunny day (if the weather allows another sunny day here in Sweden this year). I haven't really cared for GPS, it's a phone lol, but I'm gonna test anyway. I recorded a map on a bikeride in the rain, it got fairly accurate, better than before, still driving over houses tho, but just by 0.5 or 1 meter off the road, Unfortunately, it seems lie My Track cannot send to Google Maps anymore, returns unknown error.

Edit: nvm here it is: http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=U...23463503511037.000492e4aca8719f10fea&t=h&z=17

I did take a shortcut in the beginning beside the gas station tho, but it seems like the track is offset by 1 meter to the right and one meter upwards
[Galaxy S I9000 General] darkoroje:
Unfortunately I can't get the device exchanged. But I would be interested to know if exchange has fixed the problems for others.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] alphadog00:
More like 10 meters off - at least. 1 meter would be great!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] t1mman:
Read the thread, some has stated so.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] nazrazr:
[Q] SGS GPS

hi guys.....just try my GPS from my way to Uni and it worked very well and accurate after updating to JM1.....but i wonder if i will be charged for the GPS usage......hmmmmm
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ghosty_uk:
i had mine replaced a week after buying it, and that seemed to be better, look at my tracks for JM1 in a previous post, but now on JPM it all gone to hell again.

wondering if when the UK gets its official release if i will be able to re-hack the reg and flash that not this scandinavian one, as there are so many bugs in it.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] cedricberger:
I am very disapointed with my Galaxy S GPS.

Before I had a HTC Magic and while not perfect, no question it was way better.

Now I have JPM installed, but GPS is still really bad. Google navigation in car is not really useable. It will often put you on an adjacent road (while you are on the highway...), or even in a grass field (though google navigation makes an effort to keep the position arrow on existing roads).

Looks like (at least on Google Maps, there is a hudge averaging applied to position (in an effort to compensate the faulty hardware ?). So on curved roads the phone shows you turning with so much "latency" that the shown curve radius is much much bigger.

Also indeed the indication of precision is way off (just like it just tries to average and hide the inaccuracies... with not much luck). I did not have such things on my HTC.

My Galaxy S was bought in France near the 30 of august.

Well, do not know if it is wise to publish my serial number but here it is : S/N R4X2669245E
[Galaxy S I9000 General] symanuk:
sgs - gps still no working right after 2.2 update

My GPS is still rubbish after updating to android 2.2. Takes 5mins to lock and only if there are no clouds !!! Any ideas why its still rubbish? It will work when driving but oftern looses lock. I dont think there is anything wrong with the phone. Samsung get your act together and make GPS working like it does on the Iphone!!!!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] symanuk:
GPS still not working after 2.2 update

Samsung are going the windows way and not fixing problems with new operating systems.

The GPS on my sgs is still rubbish after updating to 2.2. Given the fact that the ipone first generations GPS works fine, why are sumsung giving us rubbish GPS? I have a good mind to report them to trading standars for advertising a product they know does not work correctly!!!!!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ehe12:
as you may have seen, there are at least 2 people in this thread confirming they don't have GPS issue.

It could have been like Bell has said.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] snaff:
That's fine if it works for some people. There are enough for whom it doesn't work that it deserves a substantive statement from Samsung.

Given the quantity of phones that are affected, returning the handset for a replacement amounts to playing roulette with your precious time which is not acceptable.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Ming930919:
well based on the poll i assume that the gps affect a lot of people? i see only 160 people with working gps
[Galaxy S I9000 General] boliveira2:
Same experience here... Bought my SGS in September and I believed that Samsung and Broadcomm wouldn't let us down and were hard at work to correct that. By the reports I see from the initial froyo reviews, I can only say I am disappointed in these companies. If they don't fix it or provide us an explanation of the problem I can certainly say that I will never, ever trust my money on any product made by them. This situation is all a shame... Tired of it...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] boliveira2:
You bet it does. Those 160 people were very very lucky. They should play the lottery.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] darkoroje:
Maybe, but as I said in my previous post, it is more likely that GPS performance is marginal and by exchanging the phone you get one that is slightly better. I still believe that all Galaxy S phones have a design fault as regards the GPS.

An official statement by Samsung would be most welcome, unfortunately all we seem to get are Twitter or Facebook posts about "optimizing" the GPS. To this day we do not know if any of the numerous leaked and official ROMs have the promised GPS fix, or, indeed, if such a fix even exists.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] moonshinemonkey:
GPS woe

I have had my 16gig Galaxy S since June and the GPS has never worked correctly

It fails to hold a lock on the satellites, and the times it does manage a lock it isnt for long and then It cannot pinpoint my location anywhere near accurate enough to use turn by turn navigation.

I know this isnt surprising news but felt the need to add my experience to the discussion as it seems to me there are many Galaxy S owners with the same problems.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ewingr:
For various reasons, I'm experiencing my 6th Captivate, and NONE have had GPS functioning like my 3+ year old Tilt.

I works more or less satisfactorily if I have it mounted where it can get a view of the sky through my windshiled, ie no roof obstructions.

Pull it under the roof; hold it with hand over top; it has problems.

I believe it is poor antenna related. Given I've had this problem now wiht 5 phone,s it is quite difficult for me to believe anyone's works like many of us expect. I just think they haven't used it as much or been in the right circumstances to have the problem.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] t1mman:
Just did a full hard reset last night and did a run this morning

http://www.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UT...39479225419447.000492e74fa169f9b5592&t=h&z=14

Pretty accurate, pretty useable, I even used it last weekend for jogging and it was pretty close (enough to make it a great tool for follow up)

I'm still on JH2 (Bell Canada) stock rom, no rooting, no patch anything

Only changes made was: drop accurancy to 20

Nothing more.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ehe12:
Guys, I emailed Samsung Mobile about this GPS problem, I got latest email reply from Samsung customer service this afternoon:

"Regarding your case, kindly note that the issuewith the GPS will be

resolved with the Firmware upgrade for the GalaxyS.

Kindly note that in the UK market, we are currently in final stages with

our testing to ensure the upgrade is as smooth an experience as

possible. Further information in relation to roll out for our customers

in the UK will be available early next week.

We greatly appreciateyour patience on the matter.

I hope this has been of some assistanceto you. If you do have any

further queries, please do not hesitate to contact us quoting your 210-4297826

reference number.

Kind Regards,

Aya Smith

Samsung Electronics UK

Customer Communication Centre"

I don't understand, the official JPM/JP6 has been announced and I used Kies to update. Why they said the 2.2 rom was not released yet?

Anyway, Orange will come and collect my SGS and decide if it's faulty for me. But still nice to see Samsung working on this issue...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ehe12:
Just saw vote results. So it's around 50% of user have GPS issue. Pretty huge number...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ukm700user:
Quote to engadget tip us section suggested a few pages back

I'm an owner of a Samsung Galaxy S and like many other Galaxy S users have experienced problems with the GPS.

Samsung promised many users that this was a software fault and that their fix would be bundled with the Froyo update that we have just received.

It's pretty clear now that this issue hasn't been addressed. This may indicate a serious hardware flaw that Samsung are trying to sweep under the rug.

I'd love to see some coverage of this issue and pressure put on Samsung to make an official statement.awesome idea just done the same, anyone fancy posting on the SamsungUKMobile facebook site somehow they appear to have blocked me commenting.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Landorin:
You should reply to it and ask when talking about a firmware that will resolve this issue whether they mean the brand new Froyo firmware which was already released in some countries the other day?

Would be interesting to hear the response on that as Froyo didn't fix it apparently, so either there is a new firmware in the works or not.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] SkinBobUk:
My gps couldn't be any worse if it tried... i recorded the following in my tracks this morning. The phone was on my dashboard with a clear view of a clear sky.

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=e...3.223443,-0.538523&spn=0.009327,0.027874&z=16

As you can see it lost me several times and carried on when i stopped.

(blue line is track, red line is actual route i took.) It's pretty unacceptable really, and considering i drove in pretty much a straight line its amazing how wrong it went.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Ming930919:
wow that is really bad you only travelled straight and it went behind and everywhere....
[Galaxy S I9000 General] jootje:
I have a track of more than 120 km.

This is to my opinion more than ok. It seems that mytracks lost the connection for a short period (allthough my software tracked me correctly at those moments).

Sometimes, the track is slightly next to the road, but when you look at the sattelite mode, you see that google maps is slightly off the reality.

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=214954834004833300794.000492f71d5f361f6c4a2
[Galaxy S I9000 General] papphammar:
If you zoom in, it looks like you went offroad at times...:)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] neil85ae86:
You forgot to mention....

After a couple days you'll have to reset again. My phone behaves the same way. However even tho maps is useless and gps test is sporadic at best, 50% of the time my nav can get a start position, it seems to dial in more accuracy over the first few minutes, it will then work very well most of the time, so to sum it up, my nav works as expected 40% of the time, everything else GPS based is useless. I've had 5 of these phones in my hands now and they all behave similar, I seriously don't believe anyone that says their gps works perfectly. Having to do a reset or some other regular bandaid fix does not count.

We should be able to take gps functionality for granted. This technology is far from new, my 3 year old htc has gps that rivals my Garmin eTrex and it always works even with android installed on a phone that never came with android from the factory.

I will be surprised, very surprised if it ever works.

IMHO

Neil
[Galaxy S I9000 General] jootje:
Yes, but for me, it is acceptable. And I can use my galaxy s for regular navigation. This track was recorded under heavy rain.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ehe12:
Another updated email from Samsung Customer service:

"Regarding your case, kindly note that as mentioned in the previous mail,

the official release of the developed and thecomplete Firmware version

Froyo, will still be released early next week. The GPS issue that you

have could not be fixed, because you've updated the phone, with the

Firmware from a third party website, which mightbe cracked or

corrupted.

Please wait for the official release of the Firmware, which is told to

be offering solutions for the GPS issue."

OK now they blamed it to non official roms, how ironic! I followed official Kies update, and that's "third party"!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Ming930919:
i think its a computer generated answer so they just put if you used third party software it cannot fix your gps.. but then again it sounds like bs
[Galaxy S I9000 General] andrewluecke:
Were you using a registry hack?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ardll:
Digital compass doesnt work at all in my phone
[Galaxy S I9000 General] AllGamer:
it can be re-calibrated

there is a compass app that i use that works

but is very annoying, i needs to be recalibrated in an area far away from metal or magnets around

definitely no where near your computer, car, trucks, no where near the city basically.

the best place to go is to a farm or rular area far away from city EMI pollution
[Galaxy S I9000 General] thunderstruck!:
Just don't plan on using the GPS to get you there.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] q123123an:
Well, at least they recognise the GPS issues.. Samsung Benelux says they are not aware of any GPS problems:

http://twitter.com/Samsung_Benelux/status/27868431221

Meaning

:( Probably just an ignorant service employee...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] lokhor:
Using JP6 I have yet to have any issues with the GPS. It is not as accurate as it could be but it is pretty good. Not sure if I should share a tracking with My Tracks from today.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ardll:
What is the app?