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[Galaxy S I9000 General] DerRaven:
Hi@all,

i use the GPS not so often, but when i try to use it, it fails.

There is an leaked firmware, that samsung releases in the beginning/middle of September. Does anybody tried the new firmware and could give a list of changes that comes with it?

Maybe the GPS will be fixed with this update.

I am realy happy with my GT-I9000 but with an working GPS it would be awesome.

Greetings from Germany

DerRaven ;)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Case_:
Well, I do have some tracks, but not exactly for share...but I'll think of something and put something up.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ghosty_uk:
sorry i wasnt saying my GPS was fixed, i was mearly stating i thought when i flashed JM1 that whatever it was that was making my GPS work had gone to pot, but that wasnt the case. so far JM1 appears to be slighly faster as well with less lagging.

i too think there is an issue with certain batch numbers, as how could i get 2 phones from the same source, one works sort of ok, the other didnt ever work. there has to be some differences as it cant just be coincidence.

as for the chip speed, if the apple is a model number lower you would think the next variation that we have would at least be a match if not better.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Beards:
I don't believe it has the Broadcom fix Mark.

..... but I've asked all the same.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] joebongo:
I'm out - GPS is too bad

Just to let you (Samsung) know that it's just too scary for someone who depends on their sat nav like I do.

I had a 2 week returns window and the lack of information regarding the nav performance meant I needed to return it and get a refund. I can't risk having the most awesome phone in the world without the function I need most.

If it does get properly fixed I'll be back like a fly on ****, but for the moment, I'm solely a HTC Desire man.

I'm really sad cos this is the best phone out there and if GPS worked it would piss all over the Desire and iPhone 4.

Cheers,

Joe
[Galaxy S I9000 General] iuzar:
Good luck mate! I hope you'll be back in this section
[Galaxy S I9000 General] TravUK:
Based on the tracks being posted in the Android Dev forum, I think it does. The tracks look good, and compare well against other phones. There's more than 8 locks, and tracks on signals lower than 20, holds the lock stable, and seems accurate in the corners. Fatherboard seems the odd one out at the moment.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] andrewluecke:
The problem with hanging around in this place is that every firmware, people claim the fix is complete.

Samsung said they would be releasing the fix in September, so if it's past your deadline, it's a pity. However, Samsung have said a few times the fix is coming September, but September hasn't even started yet. I doubt any mobile phone company keeps their customers up-to-date day-by-day.

My opinion hasn't changed (so no point of reiterating it, because the deadline hasn't passed yet..
[Galaxy S I9000 General] joebongo:
Yep, I'm hoping they do update it to be workable.

iPhones are such a fashion victim statement and the SGS will kick it's butt back to the stone age when it's sorted.

I suppose it's the price we pay when using bleeding edge devices, which apple are entirely unwilling to do in case it tarnishes the PR spin they put out.

"SGS - this really does change everything" would be a good counter-ad.

See you soon dudes (I hope),

Joe
[Galaxy S I9000 General] :
Went out for a walk today and when I reached the motorway (bridge over not on LOL) I turned on MyTracks. It told me I was 4 miles away as it was not using the GPS for some reason. Turned on Antennas to see where it was getting the info on my location from and it showed a mast between me and the town it said I was in, Behind me was another mast that is used by T-Mobile (my carrier) but it did not show up. So MyTracks and Google Maps which I also checked were making a "Guess" I was located in the town 4 miles away.

Next I turned on CoPilot. The GPS kicked in and within a minute I had a fix in exactly the correct place. Checked GPS Test and it showed eight sats with 5 in use but none under 20 were being used although they were strong? I do not know if this is of any use to anyone out there.

I cannot understand how Antennas could only see one mast as, and I hate to say this, the Milestone I returned accessed others and always located me in my village without the GPS.

Here's hoping 2.2 will solve these problems.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] mickeko:
But samsung didn't say they would release a fix in september as far as I know. Unless I'm mistaken they said they would work on optimizing the gps in september, there's a difference.

Sent from my personal Dis-organizer GT-I9000
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Maddmatt:
If the GPS isn't fixed soon then my respect for Samsung is gone. I have been through several firmwares, in each thread there are people claiming to see some improvement. But when I take it for a test run on my 25km drive between home and university I get the same terrible results where it keeps losing accuracy and thinking I'm on a nearby road.

This phone has awesome hardware but Samsung's screw-ups on the software side hold it back.

I really like the phone but I just can't justify spending this much money on a phone that I can't use properly for navigation. My Nokia 5800 may have been relatively crap but at least the GPS navigation did its job.

If Samsung doesn't get this sorted then it's my last Samsung phone. I can't believe they've let such a major flaw last as long as it has already without an official fix.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Fatherboard:
^^

I second that.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Fatherboard:
Do a simple test.

drive while "gps status" is running (not gps test, or your regular navigation program). check how long does the program take to report your current speed, once you start driving. I measured about 10-20 seconds delay until it showed my average driving speed (from 0 km/h).

the same for breaking. When I reach a complete halt, gps status will be stuck at 40-50 km/h i.e (its last reading during movement apparently), and will only be updated to 0 km/h after 10-20 seconds. that's not right.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Case_:
I've done some track recordings with XFJM6 today, as I've promised. Also used the opportunity I have right now and took both VF845 and HTC Wildfire along for the ride (so to speak). Didn't have much time to look at the results, but from the quick look I've had at it, it looks like all three tracks are pretty much the same, more or less. Which again confirms my previous experiences with XFJM6. And as I've said before, I know that this VF845 makes recordings just as accurate as my old HTC Magic I take as a guideline to what I expect from GPS on Android phone.

I'll process (I'm thinking of making an article based on that, so it needs some "cleaning up" cutting off the unnecessary parts of the tracks etc.) and upload the tracks as soon as possible, although I'm quite buried in other work right now, so it may take a while yet, sorry.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] mickeko:
You can't blame your disappointment on samsung when its mostly bull**** spread by users of some leaked firmware. Samsung has never claimed to have fixed the gps. They haven't even released a single upgrade in many regions, and that's really my main disappointment. I'd feel better if they released one update/month, even if it doesn't really fix much. It will show that they have an interest in their own product, and I would be more confident that they will solve major issues sooner or later even if it would take 6 months to complete it. As it is now, the wait is getting unbearable simply because there's a lack of official action.

Sent from my personal Dis-organizer GT-I9000
[Galaxy S I9000 General] dakine:
Is it me or does this sound like the optimisation is simply to average a larger chunk of data and trow away the anomalies thus resulting in a smoother more accurate track. That would explain the lag reported in the previous post. I hope this is not the case and that it actually works now.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Case_:
What I see in XFJM6 is definitely not that. If anything, it's now "smoothing out" the track and location much less than it was before, so we can actually have some quite sharp turns (almost impossible before) etc.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Fatherboard:
Case, were you using A-GPS or not?...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Case_:
If by A-GPS you mean Wireless location in Location and security, then yes. If you mean changing Operation Mode in LbsTestMode app from Standalone to MS based, then no, using just the default settings.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] cba1986:
You can try XFJM6 fw. Many people are saying that the GPS is working a lot better. Including myself.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Jordiharrison:
This is still the best Android in Canada, so I'm staying.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] thebazman:
ive only tested the GPS once when i was on JM5 and had no problems admittedly i was only walking to the shops and back (500metres) and it showed me exactly where i was.

regards
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Inios:
Initially my GPS was horrible - wouldn't even find a signal after 1-2 minutes.

I then stumbled upon this thread and GPS accurately locks within 1-2 seconds now - Have you tried these changes?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=728894
[Galaxy S I9000 General] kgk888:
There have been multiple reports that it only works for North America, and only to a certain degree.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] kgk888:
Also, even after trying a dozen ROMs including JM1 rev.3, which fared somewhat better with GPS (quicker lock on times, but still the wrong streets, position update lag), I'm gonna have to be in the same boat as the OP.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] NeoXTC:
Well if you're using GPS navigation system software, it'll work very good. But if you use gps to track the actual movement that you did, you'll find it jumps around at time.

GPS lock is never an issue with mine, but the raw tracking is when it sometimes jumps a bit.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] stan28:
Currently running on UGJH2 rom. Can't get a good GPS fix. Tried all the posted settings using *#*#11462365.. no luck. Aside from the GPS issue, it's a great phone.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] catsa:
I am running JH2 too and i noticed that this firmware automatically applied the "gps fix" already. GPS is very quick and accurate, and only occasionally goes off the road, but really, when you're goign straight and it for some reason runs you off the road on the map then common sense should tell you to just keep going and usually it updates within a few seconds again.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] larryccf:
IN doing a speed catch reading this thread, someone mentioned some MyTrack logs users had posted using XFJM6

i've searched the dev forums and found some threads on the new firmware but no logs - anyone have a link?

tks in advance
[Galaxy S I9000 General] andrej.marinic:
I don't see much improvement either I'm afraid :(

Still taking a long time to get a lock, can see more than 8 satellites but the accuracy is still off and loses lock all the time. Haven't tried that HK firmware though, only XFJM6.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] dakine:
There is another thread up complaining how the gps on the xf firmware is already broken again. This sucks, how can the gps go completely wonky from 1 day to the next?!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] andrewluecke:
Because firstly, that might only be one person's case, secondly, it's a beta rom, and finally, there is no evidence that Samsung has integrated their fix yet anyway...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Beards:
Yes, agree..... I don't think this latest firmware has any of the 'finals' Samsung are putting into the fix.

Hopefully I'll get a reply after the bank holiday.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] alovell83:
I've definitely found similar results, some people are using things like my tracks as evidence that GPS doesn't work and while you can say it doesn't some fail to come to the conclusion that it's actually working most of the time for the function they desire most...navi. Others definitely have issues with both.

For me it definitely does the job, but I give it an easy job, give me directions on the fastest bus route and if it's a route I'm unfamiliar with I'll pull it out a few stops before I get to the destination, it'll lock for me in 2 secs if I didn't leave GPS on so it meets my lax requirements to a T.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] TeamSancheZz:
Amen :) The phone has pissed me off a few times... mostly because of me installing some of the hacks I've found around here, and some apps that have messed with my phone's functionality, but it's a hobby modding hardware so I'm not that upset. GPS sucks for sure, but I personally think it's worth the wait (if it a fix comes) -.- I'm going to play it safe until the new updates come out, I've reset and formatted my phone too many times in the 2 weeks I've owned it hahaha.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] AllGamer:
the GPS might not be super accurate, but it works great

and it locks in seconds, usually between 5 to 10 sec and CoPilot maps runs & tracks right away
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Logicalstep:
I think you'll find if you live in the UK and you discover that even after your 2 weeks distance selling period is up, you are within your rights to return your phone if it does not operate as your would reasonably expect.

If you jump up and down hard enough with the telco, you can usually get a change of phone. Thats why I haven;t given up mine just yet, I'm waiting until the September Update, however it might be wise to register your grievence with your Telco in order to have it on file if the update doesn't fix it.

Of course that's only if your in the UK ;)

Logicalstep
[Galaxy S I9000 General] larryccf:
nothing earth shattering, but more confirmation Froyo is coming - there's a beta version just leaded, for the galaxy s with some mention of the GPS issue being somewhat improved

http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/30/samsung-galaxy-s-update-to-froyo-leaks/
[Galaxy S I9000 General] AllGamer:
we are just a day shy of Semptember.... eager to see the results of all those "fixes" expected to appear in the new froyo firmware.

the current firmwares are not bad, but it could be better.

the only fix i'm really looking forward to is the 3 buttons fix
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Fatherboard:
Just wanted to mention - with JPC F/W, the gps is still CRAP DE LA CRAP. unusable in a tight city areas, completely.

Fix time is not the issue (less than 10 seconds, inside my house).
[Galaxy S I9000 General] betoNL:
Well I have my sgs for almost 2 weeks now and I dont remember having any issues with getting sattelite fixes during ONLINE navigation.

I say i dont remember, because i don't use ONLINE navigation, only offline, using real navigation(with voice) software like iGo, sygic, Copilot etc.

I dont have a data account, and my sgs is configured to connect to internet ONLY with wifi. No A-Gps for me, specially when i'm abroad (roaming costs).

I just use an external bluetooth gps receiver with a sirfstarIII chipset and that's reliable. The one I have is compact (I can take evrywhere, but it stays in the car) and its battery(replaceable )seems to last forever hardly charge it.

99% of the smartphones comes with a weak internal gps receiver making users dependable on a-gps to get a stable fix.

That costs money(specially if you dont have a data account..well data accounts cost money too..) and drains battery( yep the internal gps receiver doesnt work properly and drains the battery anyway).

How do I connect the sgs with an external gps receiver allowing all kind of navigation software to get stable sattelite fixes?

Well... that's material for another thread, if you guys find it usefull....

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[Galaxy S I9000 General] AllGamer:
there is a topic already in the Application & Themes section with the software that let you do that
[Galaxy S I9000 General] darkoroje:
I would like to confirm this. With JPC firmware I am finally able to get a good lock when stationary. Car navigation kind of works, however if the road is not straight it starts lagging behind the car position and then catches up after a while. It is looking as if the GPS hardware or software cannot keep up with fast changing position.

So while there is significant improvement in the new firmware, it is not reliable enough for car navigation.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] NeoXTC:
GPS Issues fixed with JPC

OMG. I think the GPS issue is fixed with JPC. Just try to do a track record using my track today on way to work and the route is like perfect.

Will keep on testing but think Samsung had came true with their words.

Looks VERY promising.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] boomerbubba:
... or not

For two opposite views from other users, see this comment in the main GPS thread.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] NeoXTC:
hmmm could be I never had problems with car navigation. Using Copilot. But once a member mentioned to use "my tracks" to track the movement. I've noticed that with all my tracks at some point or another it would go a bit spastic. With this froyo build I've got a perfect track. Although mind you when I upload it to google maps and zoom in the max, the tracks is a bit off the road. Zooming out "3 dots" above the indicator. I can see my track is tracking it perfectly.

Will do more testing. as I say copilot is never a problem for me so will continue to try it out on my track.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] NeoXTC:
hmmm seems we are getting different things. One thing I did after updating froyo was did a hardreset which formats EVERYTHING on your phone (using the service mode keys), clear cache and wipe data from recovery menu. Have you tried this? (remember to take out your SD card else that would be formated as well).

Maybe we should continue the discussion over in my thread.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=769657
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Case_:
OK, so I've finally managed to process and upload my track recordings of my comparison between Galaxy S (XFJM6), Vodafone 845 and HTC Wildfire. So here it is:

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=U...00975740475499.00048f11b3d37c4f25ebb&t=h&z=16

Galaxy is in red, VF845 in blue, Wildfire in green and the actual path (as far as I could remember) in yellow. I was simply walking and all three phones were placed side by side in my backpack's top pocket.

Note that this is one of many tests I've done with XFJM6 in recent days and the results are very consistent with this.

I'd go as far as to say that GPS in Galaxy is now pretty much fixed as far as software is concerned. VF845 is still the best, while Galaxy and Wildfire are sometimes accurate, sometimes slightly off. Unless I'm mistaken, the GPS in Wildfire is exactly the same as in VF845 (both are MSM7225 phones), but from what I've seen, Wildfire is less sensitive to GPS signal than VF845. Given that the track accuracy is now pretty much the same on Wildfire as on Galaxy, I'd say that Galaxy simply isn't that sensitive to get better than this. And as far as I'm concerned, I can live with this. Could be better, but usable, I think. Though I didn't look at the lag, that's another issue that needs to be resolved and I'm not sure if it was resolved in XFJM6.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] thunderstruck!:
Wow, looks like you ran across 4 lanes of traffic at the very end of the track, judging by the Vibrant red track.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Case_:
I think that's because there's still some kind of "smoothing" at work and the GPS was a bit off from passing through the "urban canyons", so it just approximated my path for a while (quite possibly using wireless location data - the direction in which it thought I was moving seems to suggest that) before catching on again.

However, that's pretty much the only time that the Galaxy was off by some significant measure during more than an hour and a half long recording (I've cut some boring parts of the track in the middle where we were just wondering through the park aimlessly, playing with our dog and stuff like that - wouldn't make for a very readable track recording ;) but it was still quite accurate even then)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] stan28:
Do any of you folks notice that when using the GPS, the device gets very hot ? I last checked, my battery temp rose to 52c (that's with a charger plugged-in while driving in the car).

Is this normal ?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] TravUK:
Thanks for sharing those Case. It is certainly a step in the right direction. I upgraded to JPC last night and tried it on the way into work today. It's a bit laggy, but always kept track of where I was.

I think we've gone from being just plain broken to not very good.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] JaGuR:
Did you do a factory rest after the upgrade ?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ghosty_uk:
ok so i tested the newly installed JM1 (yes i now its not the most recent firmware, but that is all kies would allow me to update to), running my tracks i just got this result

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?hl...9057,-1.764851&spn=0.026153,0.084543&t=h&z=14

aside from the start and a touch in the middle and a slight bit towards the end, where i forgot to stop it running. this track is very spot on.

phone is as it came out the factory, only upgraded to JM1.

i would say that is a big improvement over what it used to be, however this is only one track so i will test again tomorrow.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] TravUK:
Yep, had to in order to get it to boot :-)

The GPS on JPC doesnt seem to be generating as good results as Case posted from the latest 2.1 FW. It still throws a wobbly here and there, bouncing around to nearby streets.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] milsjg:
Well,

This is a track I recorded from my car this evening. Spot on I would say. I have commented on places where i got deviation from the true track. I seriously think that there are some strange fellows on this board doing everything to discredit SGS (trolls). It is very easy to get bad tracks with any GPS if you want to prove your point. I have never experience any big problem with the GPS and if there is a problem with the SGS nobody knows how common it is. I am tired to here that it is bad and a majority experience a problem. NOBODY KNOWS THAT!!!!

You may experience a problem with your GPS but I have seen lots of good (satisfying) tracks posted in this forum. This means that there may be different batches of SGS (= get your self to the store and claim your right to switch), the operator has made some error in the branding of the firmware or messed with the AGPS (=change operator), the owner do not understand that every time the gps starts up you will get bad positions for the first 10 to 30 seconds and he/she uses memory managers etc or heavy cpu load with other programs (= get educated how GPS and Android works) or the last option that he/she just want to discredit the SGS (= maybe a disappointed Iphone, HTC or NOKIA owner).

Here is one more good track and if you think its bad you should not buy any phone for GPS uses. Just go for the dedicated ones (which are not so good either), or with a GPS with correction capabilities.

http://maps.google.se/maps/ms?hl=sv...9967,20.318838&spn=0.002692,0.009645&t=h&z=17
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ghosty_uk:
i have just viewed your track and that is similar to the picture im seeing, and while i agree with some of what you said, i also dissagree with some of it, as i have had to SGS's now, and the first was totaly and utterly useless with reguards to GPS, it would never get a lock, or if it did it was only dfor a few seconds. when i took it back to get a replacement (the phone i have now), i took both of them to the door, with the manager beside me, and did the lbs test mode, the old one in my left hand, the new in my right hand, so no more than 10 inches apart, the old one refussed to get a lock, where as this one got a lock in under 30 secs, to 7 sats. so i too support your theory that there is a faulty batch/s as it cannot be mear coinsidence that i got 1 working and one not working phone from exactly the same shop.