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[Galaxy S I9000 General] Landorin:
Wow, this thread turned into a whole discussing/*****ing thread it seems.

As someone already wrote, some here did a good job getting away from the actual topic: finding a possible solution or at least the cause of all this.

Even before this thread I watched betoNL's videos and although I do not agree to all his points he wrote I do see an improvement when I turned off the location aid done by the wireless connection and completely relying on GPS only (plus downloading AGPS data with GPSStatus) and using TrackerBooster so the GPS won't shut off on each app switching.

Still, an accuracy of 30m is not really acceptable since the GPS suddenly thinks you're on the opposite side of the road when you switch lanes on a 2 lane street.

I'll simply wait and see if Samsung gets us a fix or I'll use my HTC or some GPS mouse. Continuing this thread became pointless.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Beards:
I know what you are saying....

I used to contribute heavily in this topic but gave up a long time ago because of all the negativity between members.

Shame because I've had some breaking news now and again which I've instead thrown over to the AndroidForum community.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] boliveira2:
Would you mind sharing with us too, please? Thank you.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] t1mman:
I've created a new thread to "clean up" the arguing and all here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=821863

Please contribute if you can and keep the arguing here
[Galaxy S I9000 General] darkoroje:
Well, the negativity is the result of Samsung doing nothing about GPS so far, plus having a few people in this forum who consistently claim that there is no problem.

I guess the alternative is to shut up and just accept that the GPS in the Galaxy is never going to work well.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] robbiev80:
We're in Canada. This is with GPS only. No Network assistance.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] andrewluecke:
Yes, but how do you know WAAS isn't also happening in Canada, because I've seen a few good results in Canada/US, and I recall seeing this chip does support WAAS (maybe the drivers support it).

WAAS would make a huge difference in accuracy..
[Galaxy S I9000 General] DamianGto:
I did use gps test for 1 person ask me what it did say.

There is better test program for this.

My track and Google map is always weird in they way they show tracks.

So far i have not seen anybody that has a perfect track with other gps either.

But you still demand people shall share tracks and you are always complain about them.

I this it your self that should prove the other gps is so good.

One way is to show signal strength. You will take away alot of software errors in program then. And you have raw data.

If you compare this data you can see how good/bad you phone is.

Some of you say i don't know much and just trolling. Well you are wrong. The fact is that you can't stand that there is sgs Gps that's really good.

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[Galaxy S I9000 General] Oletros:
So much words to say absolutely nothing
[Galaxy S I9000 General] DamianGto:
If you read the words then it will reveal a secret.

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[Galaxy S I9000 General] darkoroje:
Glad to see you back after a good night's sleep.

May I suggest that after your Samsung contract here is finished, you join the Special Forces. With the awesome GPS in your Galaxy S you should be able to find Bin Ladin quickly and with 5 meter accuracy, something that the military with their pitiful military-grade GPS was not able to accomplish.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] DamianGto:
Thanks.

I will have this contract so long i have sgs. After all i got the best sgs. Must be a prototype;-)

I can ask the military base right outside here if they need me.:-P

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[Galaxy S I9000 General] Beards:
No, the alternative is to stop bickering amongst yourselves.

If someone rules you up go above it.

I left this topic not because of Samsung but because of the hostility between our fellow members.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] darkoroje:
It may be running flawlessly on your phone but isn't on mine and 3 other that my co-workers have.

The GPS settings you are discussing are only for AGPS, none of them have any effect on the actual GPS receiver. So they may speed up initial lock but do not address the main issue, which is that GPS is unable to keep lock when moving.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] t1mman:
If you don't have anything constructive to say, go to the other topic.

This is pointless nagging without any information, you don't state exactly what is tested, whar rom is on the device, how it was tesed, etc...

Please don't come to this thread and fill it with non consctuctive "mine doesn't work"... you have 200+ page of this in the other thread.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] darkoroje:
It is not nagging it is simply stating the fact that the GPS cannot be fixed by changing AGPS settings. If you had a basic understanding of how it works it would be obvious to you as well. But knock yourself out by discussing phantom fixes if you wish.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] t1mman:
Will do! Now move on!

Still, pretty weird I get amazing result with "phantom fixes" even while using it for running...!

http://sportypal.com/Workouts/Embed/741370?key=fcf7aeabcc4e1a6d73e65aa0a8729a3eb30cab0d

Pretty much on the spot, you can see exactly where I cross the road, where I cutted into the parking lot, I'm also using a bike road besides the train tracks, pretty much on the spot, precise and accurate speed reading also.

Anyway, this is more to show up the finings than to argue... there's already a post for arguing and useless trolling that's 200+pages...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] jonny_ftm:
I also think it could be two sort of issues:

1- hardware issue (antenna or what ever it is), solved with later released SGS

2- synch problem with google maps

In my case, I have an unbranded EU SGS that came already with JM7 fw.

I didn't test google maps as I don't have a 3G data contract

I installed Navigon v3.5.0 and my SGS works like my external Bluetooth Sirf III module, just blazing fast to lock, accurate and no jumps at all as many reported

Sadly, no way for me to test with google maps now to verify my 2nd theory

I read here on another topic that someone solved his GPS issues by moving from google maps to Navigon or CoPilot

maybe you should give it a try with a demo version and report.

PS: sorry if it was already discussed here, but won't read the hundreds of pages just to report that for me no issues with Navigon and a JM7 original fw
[Galaxy S I9000 General] betoNL:
You could test Google Maps even without a data plan if you know wich apn to use....you will just pay per Kb for being online but in the sake of testing...

I dont have a data plan either ( online only via wifi) and I dont know (and dont want to know) the apn details of my carrier...

But I read in many other threads and in many other forums that people solved their gps problems by just moving from google maps to better proven gps car navigation software such as iGo Motonav, Navigon, CoPilot etc... they all work well on the sgs as I showed in my videos,,,
[Galaxy S I9000 General] jonny_ftm:
Hopefully some one can confirm this, someone with a "bad GPS antena" as many report with google maps tryig Navigon or CoPilot

The rare posts on this are from users having solved the issue that way

Now, why on other devices google maps doesn't have these issues is the question. Maybe some software synch issues?

Impossible for me to say since I just tested with Navigon and it is really as good as my SirfIII from the navigation I've done
[Galaxy S I9000 General] darkoroje:
You know what, Beards, all that Broadcomm or Samsung have to do to stop bickering on this forum is to supply a working GPS. Instead Samsung has knowingly released the phone with a sub-par GPS, or, at least, did not test it properly. And I don't hear much from them these days about "optimizing" the GPS either.

Anyway, if you indeed work for Broadcomm you should not be discussing this topic here.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] foxbat121:
Tried that already with MotoNav (iGo) and Waze. Both do a better job hiding the imperfection of the SGS GPS than Google Maps/Navi. However, in circumstances like taking an exit ramp where you need make turns and also a lot of roads and other ramps nearby, it still jumps to other ramps/roads. There is only so much a software can do to hide the defects. Also, it depends on how crappy your SGS GPS really is (we knew it varies from phone to phone), the results may vary.

Not software synch issues but simply crappy GPS. Case in point, With Google Maps/Navi, you can actually download the entire route once you set up your destination (probably should be a short route) and turn off the cell data connection altogether. I tested that (setup destination then turn on flight mode) and results is the same (there is nothing to sync with, it is entired cached on your phone).
[Galaxy S I9000 General] jonny_ftm:
Thanks foxbat121,

So it really seems they could fix it with later manufactured devices. It could be a hardware issue, so no fix hoped for bad devices.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] t1mman:
Then again, depending on the issue, algorythm can be optimised to resolve or to lesser the hardware issue.

What exactly is the issue? Long fix or accuracy all over the place?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] foxbat121:
Accuracy all over the place. I can settle with long fix (although I never really experienced any long fix problem) but can't live with crappy accuracy.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] t1mman:
Try thoses:

Drop Accuracy to 20

install and run TrackerBooster

Please report back after.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] foxbat121:
Tried those before. It got really worse. When you drop accruacy numbers, you either get a really long fix or no fix at all randomly. It won't solve any problem. And a lot of time when my postion jumpped out, the reported accuracy is really good (5 to 10m) but it put me about 50 to 100 meters out of the actual location. It's not the accuracy the driver reported or thought it was. It is the accuracy of GPS position vs real world. No settings can ever resolve this hardware/driver issue. I've visited all million of GPS settings threads and none of them solve any real issue for SGS that have real GPS issues.

As for TrackerBooster, it does the same thing as other GPS apps like MotoNav. You can only smooth a crapy GPS so much.

Please, don't turn this thread into anyother GPS settings thread. I'm sick and tired of those threads.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] betoNL:
Really !! I wonder why people will waste so much time posting so much crap..

First of all Motonav does not do any magic or hides gps imperfections! Any user with a minimum experience with offline car navigation software like the iGo variations, knows that in the moment that the gps receiver loses the satellite fix (not locked to a minimum of 3 or 4 sats) it stops navigation with the warning "lost sat. connection". It ceases navigation if the satellite fix is not stable enough.

So the "Google Maps" sympthoms you described above as Motonav's, just

raises the question, asides the sgs gps problem, what YOUR problem really is?

The reason I took time making and posting videos is because seeing and believing: I talk the talk and I walk the walk

I would like to see a video showing Motonav doing all those things you mentioned....

On my part more videos will follow

And as I said on the other thread, if a user for whatever reason cannot get the internal sgs gps receiver working at least as good as mine does, just get a external bluetooth gps receiver and get over with it! or get another phone!

For those who want some constructive help, just send me a private message.

I have some ideas and I would like to test them in other devices...

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[Galaxy S I9000 General] tarnar:
I just sent my SGS back to Bell after one week with it. The 'comatose' problem was why I sent it back, I don't have a landline and need to be available 24/7.

However, I thought I'd offer my take on the GPS thing. Take it with a grain of salt, this is based on my limited testing with the GPS Test app from the Market & Google Navigation.

First, my GPS worked out of the box (JH2). I would describe the performance as 'lukewarm' or 'adequate'. I was getting up to 30 second lock times and a mix of 5 meter / 10 meter accuracy. I found the phone was usable as a GPS in the car with Google Navigation but I didn't test heavily.

I then installed an updated GPS driver from this forum. This appeared to increase signal levels from satellites. I saw more signals over 40 and they were more consistent. Lock times improved outdoors. I was able to (slowly, unreliably) lock indoors when I had zero visible satellites before the driver update. The heading / speed readings from the GPS Test app appeared correct but I only had the car's speedometer and cheap digital compass to compare to.

I never used trackerbooster or (knowingly) changed any settings for the GPS, just did the one driver update. Since I don't have the phone anymore I can't provide more good feedback here. I just wanted to share my experiences.

Edit: Someone asked what GPS fix I used - it was the Vibrant JI2 GPS package. Works on SGS.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] darkoroje:
So your solution to GPS problems is to get an external receiver. What a fantastic idea! You must work in Samsung product support.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] nosidefcp:
Is there any fix that solve the gps issues?tried chaging the settings but nothing.im usimg the doc froyo rom. someone can give me link to an update ive read above?is there any rom that solve this issues
[Galaxy S I9000 General] mike.sw:
the issue foxbat121 is talking about is not related to gps fix drops.

SGS gps tend to make sharp turns very widely, here is an example:

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=U...4489,34.810739&spn=0.008279,0.018346&t=h&z=17

note on the the left of the map, right-left turn combination and then making an U turn on the square .

waze can live with that and usually will filter out such bad gps data.

you can see it in most of the my tracks maps posted.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] betoNL:
Google maps crap again?? Waze??

I was talking about motonav!!!\ and video footages...

Offline navigation ... no SUPL A-gps....

I rest my case...

Just disregard my posts...I am out of here,,,c ancelling my subscription

Meanwhile I am enjoying my sgs gps experience at fullest with or WITHOUT the use of my external gps device...I,m must be doing something right..

It will be even better when Tomtom and Garmin will be ready for Froyo

Good luck chaver and evrybody

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[Galaxy S I9000 General] nosidefcp:
hello beto. sent you a pm. thanks
[Galaxy S I9000 General] mike.sw:
original post was talking about waze and motonav.

good bye
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ~gtw:
When i go street orienteering in single story low density housing area's, my GPS consistently tracks me crossing an entire block directly across houses, or tracks me zigzagging all over the place when I stop and stand still. If i were to run 9kms in 45 minutes, it would report I did 12kms due to this, and the extra distance gained when it sent me wider than the true path I took. My old SirfStar mouse with Windows mobile phone from 2 years ago was completely opposite, and was more accurate than my tuned Polar footpod.

I have used a variety of applications, from Runkeeper, iMapMyRun, My Tracks and Maps. All had the same basic issue.

Using GPS as a navigational aide with driving applications has generally been acceptable, and the apps certainly seem to smooth out some of the problems. The GPS isnt as affected by sudden direction changes either. Running and cycling is where it has huge issues for me. Anyone that talks about in-car navigation being acceptable as proof there is no problem cracks me up.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] foxbat121:
Stop making assumptions that you have no idea of. The main problem with this thread is about ppl making assumptions how other ppl's phone works or not working.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Oletros:
Yes, I wonder exactly the same when I read your posts.

False, iGo, Navigon or coPilot hides GPS accuracy imperfections sticking the position to the road. And when lock is lost, they use heuristics to continue navigation for a while to avoid rerouting. You can see this behaviour when you enter a tunel.

You can talk what you want about google Maps or Google Navigation but when there are used with an external GPS they work well the problem is not on the programs but on the SGS GPS.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] foxbat121:
This thread is now a giantic waste of time. There is no sense to convience each other there is or there isn't a problem with GPS on SGS.

* Samsung itself admitted there is a problem publically.

* Samsung hasn't publically stated that the GPS problem has been fixed regardless how a few support CSRs claimed to be fixed. CSRs usually the last to know anything.

* Testing done by various owners who truely suffer from the GPS issue confirmed GPS hasn't fixed in any firmware, although improvements are made.

* GPS issue does not affect EVERY SGS the same way. Different phones get affected differently. Some work perfectly, some work acceptable, some not working at all.

* There have numerous threads about tips and settings try to fix the GPS issue. So far, NONE has proven to fix the real issue. Most are temp fixes to get a quick fix.

* There are two typical issues related to the GPS problem: take too long to get a satellite lock and accuracy jump all over the place. Newer firmware improves the long lock issue but accuracy issue remains the same.

So, to move forward, I propose:

1. Those whose GPS works perfectly (or they think it works perfectly), or think that's acceptable to them, STOP trying to convience others that GPS has no problem and there is no need for any fix from Samsung. Yes, we know you're a lottery winner and your SGS works fine. But you have no idea how the rest of less fortunate SGS owners suffer day to day. So, just stop it and go post in your own thread about how awesome the SGS GPS is.

2. No more try this setting or try that setting. After 3 or 4 months, we've tried them all and they DON'T work. If it is a simply configuration problem, Samsung could have fixed couple months ago. If you can't help yourself, go post to one of those million GPS settings/tips threads.

It is now appearant that the GPS issue is a tough fix for Samsung. It most likely a hardware issue. And we can only hope Samsung can finally come out a software fix to 'optimize' the GPS. For those who still can, get a replacement if possible.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Bynar010:
Amen brother.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] andrewluecke:
Personally, I agree.. It's a waste of time until Froyo has officially rolled out. If it doesn't improve the GPS drastically, we have to accept that there are likely serious problems (hardware or software) which makes it unsuitable for fitness purposes, and only makes it suitable for basic navigation.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] DamianGto:
Well you and other say that touch can't have a working sgs.

I do and many have.

Many do like use software that has been proven that they don't work well and take that like a confirm that the sgs is broken.

This tread is a joke. The poll sucks and many people that did not have problem with the gps do have it now, after reading how bad it is.

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[Galaxy S I9000 General] Fatherboard:
Do you consider the silly twitt from August as an official statment?... We don't even know if the girl who posted this twitt is an official Samsung employee.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] foxbat121:
The fact they twitted in many regions (both EU and US) with the same information and the fact that many web sites contacted Samsung PR and get the same information is good enough for us.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] foxbat121:
No one said that. It's your own lack of reading comprehension .
[Galaxy S I9000 General] compuse:
Indeed, i never noticed him misbehaving much, .. now i'me occasionally off by a feet or 10...

Unless anybody finds a way to make our phones the state of the art heat-seeking bombs that we expected the sgs would be, meanwhile, .. let me just navigate my car with it ... so i won't complain!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] darkoroje:
That is right, if people just did not read this thread their GPS would be working perfectly. It is the reading that did it. I suggest we shut this site down to prevent more GPS from malfunctioning.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ehe12:
1. your english is a joke...

2. your speech to protect Samsung and SGS sucks.

3. your ignorance of hundreds of people's complaint about GPS problem on SGS is a joke and it really sucks.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Oletros:
False

Which software?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ehe12:
P.S. Tomorrow I'm gonna have the second replacement for my SGS. My original one and the first replacement both have GPS problem and cannot be fixed. I will test the new replacement and hopefully it will work. If not, I will send it back again and request a different phone or simply just cancel my upgraded contract.

This really sucks. I hate this GPS problem. It's so disgusting. How can such a simple function that has been applied on many many smart phones be messed up?...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] gekkekoe123:
I've solved my GPS problems :mad:

I bought a Qstarz 818x BT GPS module. Now I get accuracy around 1m (!). The internal one will always give me 10m-20m if I'm able to get a fix that is.

Tried jm1 - jpk, all of them suck.

**** samsung, this is the last product that I'm buying from them.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] DamianGto:
Well English is not my native language.

I don't protect Samsung. But many do blame them for everything. They don't understand how production works. You don't get 100% perfect phone all the time.

I don't ignore people that has problem with gps. The problem is they don't understand that's a few sgs that has this problem. They still think and say that all sgs is broken.

Well that's not true.

The people with bad gps has an easy choice. Return the sgs and get one new and hope that works for you.

If not you do still have a choice.

1 return it and get an other phone.

2. Keep the phone and buy a external gps resiver.

But stop whining about it. It don't solve anything.

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[Galaxy S I9000 General] darkoroje:
I think you should write future posts in your native language. Less people would be able to read them so that would spare you some embarrassment.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] bundao1:
Well, for what it's worth my phone sat nav was useless for in car navigation, having the same problems as many have already stated.

Just installed Igo My Way, and so far it performs flawlessly. Gets a lock quickly, always puts me in the right place, and calculates a new route virtually instantly when I start to go on a different course.

The basic look isn't as nice as the nav that came with the phone but I think you can customize Igo quite alot - I will be investigating!

I guess Igo is using the raw GPS data more intelligently, but if it does the job I want - sat nav in the car, then that's problem sorted.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] t1mman:
Come on now, this is a forum for devloppers and testers, theire's realy no point of insulting one another... We all can argue on many aspect, but this is just trolling and insulting poeple for no reason.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] darkoroje:
I guess you are right but I am getting increasingly frustrated with the amount of crap he is posting on this forum. I will ignore him from now on.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] DamianGto:
Good, then i don't need to read all crap you write about me.

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