yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HD2 General] leepriestenator:
Hmmm... 3 of them are GMAIL, but I have them set on IMAP 4 fetching mails at set intervals. Are you aware of any way to push mails from multiple GMAIL accounts?

ActiveSync only allows one and I could have all of them forwarded to a single mail account, but when I send an email I need it to go out from those respective accounts and not appear like it was all coming from one account.

Any suggestions?
[HD2 General] fi3ry_icy:
oh man.. i thought it was energy efficient... :(
[HD2 General] fi3ry_icy:
these are mine

HTC HD2 (international)

OS: WM 6.5

ROM: energy 21907 1st july CHTv1.8.5

Radio: 2.07.50.27_2
[HD2 General] leepriestenator:
@fi3ry_icy

Your energy draw seems to be quite high for a device with the Radio turned off and with just the standard apps running.

You are also running the exact same setup that I am running. EXACT!!!

1) Did you use both the REG files that I posted?

2) Did the device go into standby after 1 minute?

3) Did you follow the instructions I have posted down to the letter?

Zero Talk time? Did you just get your device?
[HD2 General] fi3ry_icy:
yeah, i used the reg files posted and the phone when into standby after 1 min..

strangely the talk time mins are wrong when the phone is in flight mode and i too find it sad that the drain on my battery is pretty high.. i wonder where does the problem lies becoz i did another run with the phone no longer in flight mode and yet the readings are about the same, just slightly higher.. :confused::confused::confused:

on a side note, our radio is different but i doubt it would result in such a great difference?
[HD2 General] leepriestenator:
1) Actually, for the time being, I'm testing the 2.07 radio that you are using. I just haven't updated my signature since it's for a short duration. Besides this test was done with the radio OFF, so it shouldn't make any difference.

2) After you used the REG file, did the backlight drop to a very low brightness?

3) Do another test, same conditions as what I mentioned earlier but this time run it for 5 mins.

Post back. We'll try and get to the bottom of this.

Q1) Which version of HSPL are you using?

Q2) How many email accounts have you configured and at what intervals do they connect to the internet?

Q3) MAke sure you close Shake&Save and then run the test.
[HD2 General] airwater9:
Having my microSD in the device adds 14ma to the battery consumption which is 18ma in standby with the card and 4ma without...similar story with the phone in active mode. It's a genuine sandisk and I've error checked it and it's fine. It was formatted with the phone's utility to FAT32 so I'm stumped as to any cause to this. Also I haven't got any applications installed there and audiomanager is not building the music library. Any ideas?
[HD2 General] leepriestenator:
You might want to check your SD Card Power Management Parameters.

Give this a look. It'll help if you can post all the info that I asked for earlier.
[HD2 General] airwater9:
They are default and unchanged on stock 1.72 ROM.
[HD2 General] fi3ry_icy:
my backlights are already set to the minimum so there wasnt any change when i imported the reg files.. i did it again but set my lights to a higher a setting and the lights when to the dimmest possible(same as my own original settings)

i've got 3mail accounts configured, 1 exchange, 1 hotmail and 1 yahoo.. all are set to sync manually by me and after i used shake and save, i did a soft reset to clear the phone ram and process before i did the test.. mayb i should wait a while after i soft reset the phone before i run the test..

as for the HSPL, its HSPL2 with SSPL 2.08 (CotullaHSPL). below is the 5mins flight mode log.. still pretty high at 86mA drain... damn..
[HD2 General] leepriestenator:
I don't get it! We were on the same ROM up until a few hours ago, Same RADIO plus you have no crazy apps running... hmmm.

Few more questions

1) What device is this? TMO?

2) Do you have any performance tweaks? or do you just go about your business after you flash an Energy ROM?

I'm going to ask around a little bit and come back to you.
[HD2 General] pdahunter:
In earlier devices I sometimes had an very filesys.exe (WM2003). May be there's again some file system activity / maintanance process that's much more active when your sd is inserted.
[HD2 General] gerhardvr:
Hi,

This is good to know. I might have a couple of days to spare later this month and maybe I will jump into it. Guess I must start looking at the custom ROMS and the latest Manilla ROM to decide which route I want to go.
[HD2 General] gerhardvr:
I read the same thing in a number of forum discussion. Hunting for signal is apparently an issue. Lucky for me I'm in an area with great reception most of the time.
[HD2 General] gerhardvr:
DO you have something installed to automatically close the data connection after a period of inactivity? That made a difference for me. I don't think a massive amount but definitely some. Mine is set up to automatically close the data connection after 60 seconds of inactivity.
[HD2 General] gerhardvr:
I would suggest you start to uninstall some programs that run in the background. From your screen shots I can see at least two that are running. Someone mentioned earlier that screen locker apps are an issue. I think that is a bit of a blanket statement but it could be your problem.

As I said when I started this thread, chances are that you have something running as a TSR that prevents you phone from going into true standby. Also, the battery drain on your phone when it is not in standby seems to be excessive too.

Regards
[HD2 General] gerhardvr:
I looked at you log file and the periods where you draw 85 mA looks very familiar. That is exactly what I had when I started my battery optimisation excercise when the phone was in what I thought was standby. In other words, the screen had blacked out (was set to switch off oafter 30 seconds). When the phone is in standby it should draw no more than 5 mA but yet it was drawing 85 mA. In my case it turned out to be because I had G-profile installed.

Therefore, it looks to me like your phone never really goes into full standby.
[HD2 General] gerhardvr:
Hi,

I don't think the SD card is the issue. I never take my 8 Gig Sandisk SD card out. Virtually all my applications (and I have many of them), are installed on the SD card, including about 45 music CDs, 80+ background images with the card about 85% full at any point in time.

I also know that stuffing around with the power management of the card can be dangerous. I've read of a couple of cases where card corruption occured.
[HD2 General] gerhardvr:
Yes, that is the app I'm using. I find it to be very effective.

I've attached a screenshot of my setup of it.
[HD2 General] mischgin:
Are you using CHT 1.8.5 ? I noticed higher consumption (~80-90mA) in standby after I installed CHT. Somehow my device was unable to enter standby until I deactivated _all_ lockscreens completely (including the WM-lockscreen) via CHT-Editor.

After I flashed the "standard" Energy-ROM (with CHT cooked in) my lockscreen-drain problem seems to be solved.

But I have no idea what caused this problems in the first place.
[HD2 General] gerhardvr:
I am using CHT 1.8.5 with screen lock switch on "HD mini". I've seen no adverse effects because of it.
[HD2 General] fi3ry_icy:
lol.. im from singapore, that is in Southeast Asia so my phone is the european/asia-pacific version and not the t-mobile version.. :eek:

i dun do any performance tweaks since energy is good as it is..

thanks for the reply.. will try it out after i figure out what is causing a drain on my phone..

ha, im gonna flash the new energy rom too.. will do nothing on it except run the battery logger again and post a new log file.. :)

on a side note, is WMlonglife (http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=478519) better or is this app that u are using better?

yeah.. mine is around 80-90mA discharge on standby too!! im using energy rom with default lock screen and not any of the 3 special lock screen that comes with CHT..
[HD2 General] gerhardvr:
Screen shots and batlog log

OK, here are my screen shots and my battlog file as a reference for others. My battery issues have obviously been sorted out (that is why I started this thread), but someone else might be able to use this info as a sort of a base line.

Take note: The first part of the log file was created with the radio switched off (in flight mode) while the second part the radio was on. I wanted to see if there was much difference. In my case there was not.

With the radio off the phone drew as little as 2 mA when in standby and with the radio on this shot all the way up to 4 mA in standby. :)

With the screen dimmed and the radio off it drew 92 mA while with the radio on it drew 104 mA. So, having the radio on did not make a massive difference. That being said, keep in mind that I have a very stable strong radio signal so the phone do not have to hunt which definitely makes the power consumption less.

As can be seen from the processes I'm running a number of TSR type applications including apps to monitor all SMS's coming in (delete some automatically), MS Voice commander, an app to change my background every 15 minutes (hey, I like change, what can I say? ;) ), a profile manager that automatically switch profiles. I also have Cookie's HT installed (1.8.5).

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[HD2 General] fi3ry_icy:
how is it possible that u have a lower standby current draw then me when i install only stuff that i am using? :confused::confused::confused:
[HD2 General] fi3ry_icy:
new rom test logs..

currently using energy rom 8th july with no apps installed except battery log..

no other tweaks applied at all.. the rom is as per flashed.. no settings imported as well..

took 5mins+++ for the system to reach 5mA consumption..
[HD2 General] gerhardvr:
OK, at least you now have a baseline to work from and it is looking good.

The 85 mA draw you see is typically what I also see when my screen is dimmed.

From the log it looks like your phone is not set to go into standby after 60 seconds of inactivity.

Now you can start to install your apps and remember to keep on monitoring to see if any of them causes issues.
[HD2 General] gerhardvr:
Not sure. Maybe the phone figured out it's gonna land in the bin if it doesn't shape up. :D

According to you logs you are now running at -3mA in standby which is what you can expect. Definitely linked to the fact that you only have your basic installtion on the phone and have removed all the other fluff, including the app(s) that caused the phone not to go into proper standby.

Again, I still believe if you are not seeing < 5 mA draw when the phone is in standby, it is because of some piece of software. It shouldn't matter how much is running in the background.

Take MS Voicecommander. Although it is TSR and sitting in the background all the time monitoring a key press to know when it should listien for your voice, it doesn't keep the CPU busy.

A profile manager for example (one that automatically switches profiles on the time of day, meeting times, etc.) is virtually monitoring the system all the time. However, if it is well developed it will not check your appointments every couple of seconds but rather wait for a system event to fire to say that an appointment had started.
[HD2 General] leepriestenator:
The only difference between our freash NRG setup's seems to be the lockscreen. Give that a shot.

1) Disable the Windows Lockscreen (Start > Settings > Lock Config)

2) Disable CHT lockscreen if you have that turned on (I doubt you have this on since a fresh NRG installation doesn't have this enabled by default.)

Also, can you post a list of all the CABs and REG files that you normally install after a fresh Energy ROM flash? That should help us narrow down the list.

@gerhardvr... great stuff.

Going by fi3ry_icy previous process list, he really didn't have anything else running except for stock programs that come default to with every Energy ROM. I'm guessing he must have had some sup processes and services that were draining his battery.

LockScreen might actually be the issue given it's methodology to achieve lock. There are 2 options, Lock on Suspend & Lock on Wakeup. By default, Lock on Suspend is always active. That could be it.

@fi3ry_icy... Try both options and run a 2 minute test with each. I think this should most likely sort your problems out.
[HD2 General] mischgin:
BTW, have you tried Bandswitch?
[HD2 General] leepriestenator:
At this point, Band Switch doesn't matter since we're doing the tests with the radio off.

First order of business is to sort out our apps and their energy usage before moving on to the Radio.
[HD2 General] fi3ry_icy:
nope, CHT lock screens are not used by me.. i use the default win mo lock screen..

the new log i posted for the 8th july energy rom has only 1 program installed.. and that is battery log.. :eek:

about the lock screen setting.. should i change it from "lock on suspend" to "lock on wake up"?

it does not lock my phone when i change it to lock on wake up when i press the power button to lock the phone and on it again.. :mad:
[HD2 General] leepriestenator:
LockScreen

Forget the options. Let's try it by disabling it fully and doing a 2 minute test with the radio off.

Apps

Yes, I know that you are running the ROM completey devoid of apps now. That's ok. I want to know about the apps that you normally install after flashing.
[HD2 General] fi3ry_icy:
looks about the same to me using "lock on wake up" and when "lock is totally disabled"..

but this could be due to the fact that my "lock on wake up" is not functioning as per mention in my previous post that my phone is not "locked" but the screen is only "off" when i selected " lock on wake up" instead of "lock on suspend"

hmm ...

about the apps.. as of the previous rom, i have:

filmscope (retrive movie listing screening time app for my country)

3G quota usage check (another app for my provider)

Opera 10

TouchTwitt (just installed like 2 days ago so should not be the cause)

i install the bare minimal since i'm always re-flashing the rom when there is a sufficiently new energy release and all i need is just to surf facebook and check email(which does not require any additional email-client program)
[HD2 General] gerhardvr:
Are we all on the same page?

OK, just so that we are all on the same page.... what exactly ore we troubleshooting here? Based on both the log files the standby current draw is 3 mA which is excellent. Even the current draw with the phone active and the screen on is well within acceptable tollerance levels. So, nothing to improve in my opinion.

The next logical step would be to start installing your additional applications, tweaks and then do a battlog test after each installation to make sure that the baseline is still in tact.
[HD2 General] angelossssss:
Ok here we go.

First of all i agree that battery consumption is based on usage BUT also is based on RADIO and ROM.

Check my case:

I had stock rom/radio and my battery lasted 2/2,5 days (48 to 58 hrs max) with moderate to (almost)heavy usage (wifi/bluetooth/listening to mp3/calls/sms).

I flashed Leo_RADIO_2.10.50.26 and Miri_Steve0007_Elegancia_V9.5. With the same usage the battery lasted 22-24 hrs MAX!

Now I have Leo_Radio_2.10.50.28_2 and Artemis_A_v230_WWE. Now my battery lasts again 2/2,5 days.

It seems to me that the most responsible thing for the battery life is the RADIO/ROM and not that much the software. I suggest to try different radios/roms till you find the one you like and fits you most.

I loved the elegancia but i cant handle knowing that my phone needs recharging all the time, so i turned to artemis. And i like it :D
[HD2 General] fi3ry_icy:
artemis actually results in such a great difference in battery life? i might drop by and take a look man..

now with radio on.. seems much worse, and i have not started installing apps yet..

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just an update.. seems to me that the lock settings (whether is it lock on wake up or "lock on suspend" does not change the current consumption.. i did both while on windows mobile default lock slider and the results are about the same for the new rom which i have already installed apps into.. ) the reason i had a greater drain was actually down to the location where i store the log files.. when i choose to save the log file in the main memory, there was a lesser drain.. when i choose to store the log file in the SD card, the drain was much more and the phone most probably could not go into standby because i was accessing the SD card..

adding 2 new logs to show my logs..
[HD2 General] gerhardvr:
Glad to see you are not sorted.

I do find it interesting that on the logs where you had a data connection open, you never got down to below 5 mA, even though you must have gone into standby. (See me next post regarding this).
[HD2 General] gerhardvr:
Data connection does not seem to affect current draw

I've done a test to check whether having 3G on makes any difference to having it on on the battery life.

If course it has to make a difference when there is data being transmitted via the data connection. The question I wanted to answer was whether this was the case when no data was being transmitted but the 3G connection is open.

I did a check on my phone and even when I have a 3G connection open the battery draw goes down to 4 mA when the phone goes into standby (of course there is nothing downloading information at that time).

To double check this I logged the battery consumption with 3G active and again with the data connection deactivated and did not notice any difference. In both cases the battery consumption would drop down to 4 mA when the phone is in standby.
[HD2 General] pongskie:
Excuse me.. What is the G-Profile?:)
[HD2 General] gerhardvr:
It is an application to manage various user profiles on your phone. Very handy but problematic as I explained. I'm currently testing Phoneweaver which is similar but does not create the same side effects.

For a description of G-Profile see http://www.ageye.de/index.php?s=gprofile/about
[HD2 General] gabriel.twl:
hi bro, sorry to go off topic. could you show me how to get multiple gmail/googlemail accounts running? i cannot figure out how to do so. i tap on add accounts and followed the same steps as my first gmail account to no avail. running artemis atm, tried with miri's too, didn't work either. any help and directions greatly apreciated.
[HD2 General] fi3ry_icy:
the logs for GSM and 3G mode are both without data connections..

i heard somewhere that GSM mode on standby is better and that switching over to 3G only when we need high speed data connection will help save battery life so i did a run on both modes without the usage of my data connection. turns out GSM mode uses lesser charge when in standby mode.
[HD2 General] gabriel.twl:
Any help on this guys? Appreciate any advice :) Vexed over this as i needed another gmail account on my device and couldn't get it to work. Did a search and couldn't find anything relevant, mostly related to push gmail..

Thanks everyone :)
[HD2 General] gerhardvr:
I find this very interesting, especially since my test showed that I draw only 4 mA current when the phone is in standby, even if 3G is active. This being the case, I fail to see how GSM mode draws any less current when in standby except if it drops to below 4 mA but then the difference too small to worry about anyway.

Would it be possible for you to test with GSM on (not sending data) and to then let the phone go into standby mode. I'm interested to see what your experience on the current draw under those conditions would be.
[HD2 General] fi3ry_icy:
here it is...

the funny thing is how the phone draining keeps fluctuating..

its crazy.. i wonder why did it suddenly become like this..
[HD2 General] gerhardvr:
GPRS seems not toe effect battery life much

It looks quite normal to me. I do not see the fluctuations you are referring to. It does jump from 86 mA to 92 mA just before it goes into standby, but I don't think that is a problem.

I also think that having GPRS on must have some effect on the battery drain and that this effect will not be continual but in "bursts". However, it is clear from your log file and my tests that the effect of GPRS being active, while it is not actively downloading data, is minimal.

Based on this I started to leave my data connection active (instead of having it automatically closed after 60 seconds of inactivity), and I've seen no adverse effect on the battery life.

Regards
[HD2 General] fi3ry_icy:
i restarted my phone and re-run the logger and reuploaded a log which doesnt have the fluctuations.. ;)

as to battery life, i am of the belief that it is highly dependent on the radio and how it interacts wif the towers where the phone is..

after switching to 2.11 radio, my phone's battery life has increased for the same usage i have on the phone.. :eek::eek:
[HD2 General] chrisjasper:
I'm surprised I havent seen any mention yet of WMLonglife, I use that and have the stock t-mobile rom with CHT and radio 2.10 and I get around 48 hours out of my battery.

If I missed a mention of it, just shoot me quietly
[HD2 General] gerhardvr:
You'll be glad to hear that you are safe. Nobody's gonna shoot you since there was no mention of WMLonglife. We did however discuss Bandswitch which does exactly the same.

Initially I proposed the use of Bandswitch because of the believe that an open data connection shortens the standby time, irrespective whether it is downloading data or not. I am however not convinced of that anymore. My recent tests show that although it does increase the current draw it is insignificant. I get well over 48 hours with moderate usage and that is with the data connection active all the time. Granted, most downloads I do are manually initiated so most of the time the data connection is just sitting there doing nothing.

Maybe someone else can confirm my findings or prove me incorrect. I would like to verify my findings either way.
[HD2 General] chrisjasper:
I have mine set to just switch down to 2G when screen goes off, thats more than enough for mail and other bits and pieces I use. Its fairly unobtrusive once the initial setup has gone through and really does save the battery.

I dont think its so much the open data connection as the constant switching as you move between signal strengths. There is a massive power drain as the phone tries to find a 3G signal.
[HD2 General] gerhardvr:
You're right. I totally forgot about the impact of hunting for a strong signal. I think I will do some Battlog logging over a 24 hour period, including driving around, to see what happens to the battery load.
[HD2 General] giorgos25:
Hi people!

At first congrats to gerhardvr for a useful thread!

I am not having any problems with my battery but I did test my HD2 with the Battlog and I would like to post my results. Perhaps it is helpful for some people.

Here is the config of my HD2:

Rom Artemis V24 WWE :cool:

Radio 2.07.51.22_2

HSPL 1.66 HSPL by Bebe and Cotula

Software running:

Cookies Home tab 1.8.5

CHTE 1.8.5.1

and a lots and lots of other stuff which I will not mention now because IMO they don't have anything to do with battery drain.

One gmail account which does not update automatically and weather updates every hour.

They phone is running in only GSM mode cause I don't have a data plan (= data flatrate). Bluetooth is always off.

Attached you can find a battlog. The phone is set to dim in 10 seconds and go to standby in 2 minutes. I started the log pressed the home button and left the mobile on the table to go alone on standby (after 2 minutes)