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[Galaxy S I9000 General] Beards:
Do you realize just how demoralizing your reply actually feels?

Lets break it down step by step:-

It's not been delayed at all.

We were told last month that for the Galaxy S the GPS Fix & Froyo would appear around the end of September. That is actually what the Samsung UK Production Manager said.

The message did not come from Clove, it came again from the Samsung UK Production Manager to myself & Clove.

You obviously do not have the same kind of understanding of Clove as I do.

Chris and his team don't just make meaningless remarks, they try their damned hardest to help you, I and all.

Due to the fact there are several versions of the Galaxy, different carriers to include and other outside manufacturers (Broadcom) there was never going to be an early fix.

Granted, Samsung should never have said earlier a fix would appear soon after it was found in error but they are damned when they don't and damned when they take their time in trying to put it right.

As to the other versions and the Android tablet, it's still not clear the other versions don't have the problem and as for the Samsung Tab.... who knows.

I actually agree with you on this...... but let's face it Samsung have got to get it right this time so one would assume it will be safe for them to come forth with a statement.

To sum:

Don't get me wrong I have no interests with Samsung or Clove, I would hope to be at the front of the queue when it's time to tell Samsung they got it wrong.

I've lost count the amount of times I personally have plied time and effort into getting to the bottom of this.

As such see it from my point of view.... as said I've spent a lot of time and effort in this, talking with people and trying to reason why there is a wait and why when you contact Samsung Support you get the standard reply to check this, that and the other or to be told there is no problem with the GPS.

Clearly there is a lack of base control over situations such as this.

It grieves me when we get a reply from members who don't really part with much info other than to damn all and trust no one.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] foxbat121:
There are plenty posted in this thread already. Why you're ignoring all those tracks with side by side comparison with other devices. I personally don't have any other Android device, only a few WM devices which can't use My Tracks. But those WM devices I had are certainly more accurate than my SGS.

Yes, no GPS is perfect and no map is perfect but you have to be really blind to not finding SGS GPS tracks are particularly bad.

Yes, I use Google Nav and about 20% of the time it will snap me to a road a few hundred feet away. And sometime, even when it didn't snap to the wrong road, it lags behind my actual position significantly.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] PhoenixFx:
I voted for the first option. I use it frequently while driving [google navigation (brut)], works pretty well. Used it few times on foot, wasn’t as accurate while driving, but still it was pretty good and useful. Obtaining a satellite lock usually takes less than 30 seconds. Therefore I am quite satisfied with it.

EDIT : However it performs poorly while driving inside a metropolitan area with tall sky scrapers/tunnels etc.., but then again most GPSs are like that when tall buildings are around, so I am not going to hold that against SGS in particular.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] andrewluecke:
It has been said at least a dozen times now that the fix is due in September..
[Galaxy S I9000 General] darkoroje:
I don't want my posts to be demoralising and I do appreciate you posting the information. And Clove may be an innocent party in all this. But Samsung already had plenty of time to fix the GPS. Instead they choose to release new versions of Galaxy with full knowledge that GPS is performing poorly. They never issued an official statement about the GPS save for two cryptic Twitter messages. They claimed that Epic has fully working GPS however the review on Anandtech, one of the most respected technical sites, has a full page on GPS problems. So I think it is fair to say that is looking more and more unlikely that Samsung will actually fix the GPS. I hope I am proven wrong and should a firmware appear with working GPS I'll be the first to post here.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Evans_Prophet:
First of all I would like to thank Beards for his constant efforts to inform us on this matter.

With regard to the performance I would note that currently (I have installed the EPIC fix) the gps is MUCH better than it was before - positioning in google maps is very accurate (was not before). Still walking near high buildings entails hell for the navigation, but at least there has been some improvement.

Nevertheless, I share the fear that this is actually a hardware issue (poor reception) which is masked / mitigated to some extent through firmware.

Let's wait and see - I will run some tests and revert. GPS tracks, so far, has worked almost perfectly in most in car situations with no lag.

In view of the above I strongly recommend the EPIC fix.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] joebongo:
[Q] Has the GPS been properly fixed yet?

Just wondering as I'd like a SGS again - all the leaked roms and lbstestmode stuff didn't make it usable for me last time I had one.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] andrewluecke:
It's based on opinion. Most people, yes. But it isn't fitness grade and does weird stuff sometimes (under trees mainly). Best to just test it yourself. We probably didn't need another GPS thread though honestly.

Btw, we don't know if Samsung has applied their fixes yet.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] joebongo:
Yes I couldn't see any GPS threads on the first couple of pages (may have missed them though as skim read) so thought I'd ask.

Can I ask which ROM / driver / setting has fixed it for most people?

The initial lock on was never an issue for me, it was the ability to keep the lock when using CoPilot or similar when driving - it used to jump me around thinking I was on side roads "turn left" "turn right" when in fact I was on the main road and not needing to turn at all.

The SGS is beautiful and it was unfortunate that I depend on my sat nav too much so had to let it go a few weeks ago.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] andrewluecke:
I'm using JM1 (the official/final ver).. But just wait for Froyo, because if that doesn't fix the GPS, there likely is no easy fix..
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ozzysong:
I recently updated to JM1 and GPS works like a charm. Get fix in 8 seconds and is quite accurate on foot and car.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] BronzedDroid:
In Norway/Scandinavia, there is no firmware update availible whatsoever. Phones sold here come with the XXJF3 firmware. In other words, no GPS fix is officially availible here at present. Sure we could flash a firmware from a different region, but the 'average joe' wouldn't know that.

I have also seen a lot of reports that GPS still isn't good in the newest firmwares, just better than it was before. Some say that Samsung will include an updated driver from Broadcom in the official 2.2 froyo update.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] sids911:
Epic fix is applicable for all the Galaxy S phones? anyone with US Captivate here to comment or review on the fix?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] foxbat121:
There is no official GPS fix out yet. The only beta firmware that may contain fix is XFJM6 and JM7.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] lgkahn:
well other people have said that jm7 has not fixed it.. but in my tests it is fixed.. i am running in cold start standalone mode and have tested over 3 hours of gps use both highway and city roads. and it has not jumped around once.. with other firmwares it worked ok but at least once every half hour or more it would start jumpng around to other roads..

also with gps test plus (http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-chartcross-gpstestplus-wjnE.aspx) this is the first firmware that gets and maintains locks on more than 8 satellites and will use satellites with under 20 signal stength..

your mileage may vary cannot guarantee anything but it is working well for me...

i still dont think they have fixed the hot start issue where if you have it on hot start and you move too far from last use.. ie take a plane or drive and then turn gps back on .. it is not smart enought to switch to cold start to get a fix after it fails.. (ms assisted or sky hook modes may help here ( i dont use them) as i find those modes cause more jumping, at least they did in older firmwares, when reception was spotty because they force use of either wifi or cell towers to get a inaccurate fix at times)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] DarthV:
Just tried out my new SGS and the GPS is still pretty horrible. Specially when compared side by side with a friend's Nexus One. Using Mytracks, his was pretty much spot on, mine looked like a drunk's journey. According to it, I should have burned 3x the calories on a walk then he did...somehow I traveled 3x as far ;)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] AllGamer:
it's decent enough for me using default sampling rates vs. speed per distance ratio

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=U....904788,-79.286635&spn=0.012306,0.031435&z=16

increasing the sampling rates and driving at speed limit will provide more accurate readings
[Galaxy S I9000 General] drapos:
I have updated yesterday to Movistar JM1.

Huge improvement in GPS test.

Up to 9 satellite views indoors/balcony and 8 in use.

10 meters accuracy.

Need to do futher tests, thought.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] foxbat121:
JM1 doesn't have any fix. It may be better but not much. You will never see the GPS lock onto more than 8 satellites on your JM1. That's just one of the bugs that was fixed recently. But the biggest issue is still the accuracy while driving. I can easily get 8 to 10 satelites lock in my house but when I use it for navigation, it lags and jump all over the place.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] All Day On XDA:
My experience on jm7 has been disappointing.

At home it sometimes sees 2 sats.

In the car its worse. I still experience jumpy behaviour.

I'm based in the uk atm, near london.

Will be in poland soon. Maybe that will change things.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] opensourcefan:
I have noticed that my sgs gps is slower than all my iphones and maybe even weaker at holding a signal but its nowhere near not being usable. I can only assume that some devices are better than others. I'm just hoping that new updates doesn't make it worse since it appears that Samsung doesn't know what's going on.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] drapos:
With JF4 it only saw 2~3 satellites in my house. Now it sees up to 9.

I have no faith in accurate results in real world enviroment. At least, it can see something now :P

Maybe ISP's JM1 is not Samsung JM1, excluding ads?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] foxbat121:
Looks like the US T-Mobile and AT&T version of SGS' upcoming GPS-fix firmware just leaked to samfirmwares.com. It is probably similar to JM7. So, fixed or not, Samsung is ready to release the new firmware.

UPDATE: the new firmware didn't fix anything as far as GPS goes.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] quinhas_35:
[Q] GPS problem

hello,

I have a problem with my I9000, when I connect the GPS to the application NDrive the antenna signal is not fixed, it loses signal. Is there a solution to this problem?

Thanks
[Galaxy S I9000 General] TravUK:
Thanks to all who mailed support, I've also posted on the Samsung Community forums, but all they do is give a standard 'please contact technical support' which given its the Tech Q&A forum is kinda crap, and once they respond, the thread doesnt move to the top anymore no matter how many posts it gets, so I'll create a new post every day if I have to.

http://forumuk.samsungmobile.com/ForumThreads.aspx?ForumID=6

Quoted myself to keep the original URL fresh on this thread.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Pika007:
I say- let's take turns posting on the Q&A forums, they'll have to do something about our nagging in the end.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] sjdean:
Let me see what kind of response you'll get.

I usually get things like:

That's usually in a response to a question like:

Perhaps Im being thick here but....
[Galaxy S I9000 General] gllu:
Oh my... Customer service at its best.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Pika007:
Unfortunately, answers like that are given from google to nexus owners (and i know this from expirience...), and from htc as well.

I must comment that at least on this side, apple at least gives relevant answers to matters via email, even if not always satisfactory.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Seifer1975:
I went for a walk with Google Earth and I am more convinced it's an app issue. Throughout the 5min I went walking with Google Earth, it failed to lock on to any satellites and the positioning was horrible, jumping all over the place. I terminated Google Earth, started NDrive and got a lockon in less than 5s, with NDrive correctly locating me down to the footpath next to my block. Somehow apps like Google Maps and Earth must be having problems interfacing with the SGS GPS, but yet it works wonderfully for other apps.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Beards:
Yes, I reported this issue quite some time back and have not heard back from Samsung.

That does not mean to say we should not send them our concerns as the more who send the stronger the case regardless whether or not they chose to reply.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] dakine:
I've tried google nav/maps/earth, copilot live and sygic mobile maps, all of them showed the same issue. The problem can't be with the apps. Even gps test will show you how much the accuracy jumps around.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Seifer1975:
Dunno. Maybe you can try ndrive? You can download it for free from the market. So far it works for me.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] nicoloco:
So we should have the same result on our SGS with software like copilot which is also programmed to snap to the road.

I expect google nav to be also programmed like that.

OFF TOPIC : for the one who asked the question about xda force closure ... it happens all the time to me :D
[Galaxy S I9000 General] doppelclick:
That was what I was looking for - I shan't spend my money on CoPilot yet..
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Seifer1975:
I tried yesterday while driving, I turned on Google Maps. It lockon to the satellites within seconds and located me correctly on the highway. I tracked for a good 5 minutes where it moved along correctly while I was driving. Then I off Google Maps and activated Google Earth. While it also got a lockon, the location was horrible and I jumped all over the place. If it's a hw or sw problem, I cannot explain why the different behaviour among different apps.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] dakine:
Was it just google maps or google nav you were using? If it's the latter it would be easy to explain because it and every other car navigation app is programmed to ignore inaccuracies and snap to the road instead. Google earth isn't programmed that way and just shows the data coming from the gps sensor. In congested areas this feature won't always be able to guess what road you are on and thus completely screw up the directions.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Seifer1975:
Google maps. Google nav doesn't work in my part of the world
[Galaxy S I9000 General] TravUK:
I'm going to start making a few more public comments on GPS since Samsung are being so quiet about it and not responding to our support requests. So here's a link to Engadget's latest Galaxy post

http://mobile.engadget.com/2010/07/13/root-already-working-on-samsung-captivate-other-us-galaxy-s-mod/1#c29268859
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ballfire:
i think there are some major problems with the gps on the galaxy. i've tried copilot, sygic, motonav, brut nav.

sometimes u get instant lockon by the time the program has loaded. other times it doesnt lock on for some 30mins of driving. i initially thought it was possibly a ram issue and used es task manager to kill all to get more ram back. that sort of worked but have since noticed that even despite ram it doesn't lock on for ages.

tried turning the phone off and on again seems to get lockon instantly again but that is just not an option. imagine rebooting the phone everytime u didnt get satellite lock ...

must be some software issue. next to my old sony x1 where i get instant gps lock by the time a gps program has loaded, this galaxy is so far hopeless.

sometimes even with sat lock it still seems to jump all over the map, not maintaining its position leading to the gps guidance to go nuts rerouting which is quite annoying
[Galaxy S I9000 General] TravUK:
As with everyone else, the best thing right now is to report it to your local Samsung support. I see from the Korean websites that they are also having GPS issues and a number of people reporting they've returned their phones they were so unhappy with them.

Did anyone receive a response yet from Samsung?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] eaglesteve:
I haven't found a GPS that I like yet, so I've only done testing on the google map. There is definitely a very serious problem with the GPS in Samsung Galaxy S. The current location blue dots is all over the place, and providing wrong information on the extent of location accuracy as well. It could be two kilometers away, and tell me that the accuracy is 500 meters. After getting a lock to a nearby location, it can subsequent wonder to four five other much further locations, never seeming able to stay locked at the closer location.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] dakine:
They sent me this: We would like you to contact uw by phone.

We can give you an adres from one of our Premium Points.

There they can check the phone.

You can reach us by dailing 0900-7267864.

We hope that this informatie was usefull.

Think it will be worth while?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] gllu:
I doubt a respectful company will have so much language mistakes in an e-mail... Are you sure it came from Samsung?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] wilx:
Well My JM1 has had a fix on 10 satellites, and I have seen no problems since swapping from an earlier firmware.

Just noticed you contradict yourself......

then you say

So what exactly did you mean?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] AllGamer:
some times it helps by turning off the GPS from the drop down tab

restart the phone

then turn it back on
[Galaxy S I9000 General] quinhas_35:
The problem is that it always happens. I'm with the rom XXJPC not know if it is so. I think there lagfix that solves this problem but I'm not sure. Someone help me?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] foxbat121:
I'm running on different firmware (Captivate JH2/3/7). From what I read, only JM6 or later contains the newer driver to lock on to more than 8 satellites.

Are you sure you're not confused by number of satellites in view with number of satellites locked? Download the GPS Test app and you will see.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] boomerbubba:
Browse or search this forum and you will see that the I9000 has had GPS problems all along. The status of a fix is uncertain.

For example, try this thread for a little light bedtime reading.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] AllGamer:
maybe you should try another firmware

some firmware works better than others

i'm using stock JH2 for i9000m
[Galaxy S I9000 General] larryccf:
and in case there's anyone on this forum unaware, samsung released an unofficial firmware for the Tmobile US Vibrant that appears to have fixed the GPS issue entirely - at least in the short run - i installed yesterday, located me perfectly for the first time IN MY HOUSE - i drove a 9 mile route just to test it, running mytracks in background -

surprisingly it located me at the edge of the driveway at one corner of my lot and when i stopped at the far corner, had me located exactly where i had stopped

in total, somewhere between 25-30 turns, and only one turn did it show me clipping off about 10' of my neighbor's lawn in making the turn but otherwise it was perfect - always on the road, and except for one or 2 occassions, had me in the correct lane on 4 lane road. NEVER SHOWED ME IN THE WEEDS or 75-100 ft over driving thru someone's house, etc

this morning, took a short trip, maybe 2.5 miles round trip, and same - long term will have to be seen, but in the short term it's perfect or nearly so

outside, viewing 12 sats with 7-9 locking (still partially cloudy here)

but even indoors, i'm now seeing 10-11 sats and locking on 3-4 of those

just posting as encouragement for those who, like me, are cynical of a fix actually appearing

here's link to the Tmobile forum with a link to a download of the unofficial firmware in case some want to extract the GPS files

http://forums.t-mobile.com/t5/Opera...Nofficial-T-Mobile-Vibrant-update/td-p/469275

it also corrected some other issues or grips - battery full notification is now a notice on the notification bar at the top, there's a samsung task manager program, and a "program manager" app, as well as some other adjustments

after a few uses, apps seem to open much faster, 3G signal seems to have gotten better (some are saying the signal indicator has been corrected, as well as the battery charge status icon is more accurate) - where before my signal strength never showed below -97 dBM, now i'm seeing -81. Download speeds have remained the same, so i assume it's simply an adjustment in the signal evaluations
[Galaxy S I9000 General] quinhas_35:
and anyone lagfix can resolve my problem?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] AllGamer:
lag fix has nothing to do with GPS

but if you suffer from lag problems, then yes that will cure the lags

although a better method is to use a Startup manager app + Task killer apps like Startup Cleaner 2.0 http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=8123924&postcount=40

and task killer

http://www.appbrain.com/app/com.rhythm.hexise.task
[Galaxy S I9000 General] TravUK:
Just to be clear, this is just another release taken from samsung-firmwares. There's no formal mention from Samsung that this is their GPS fix update.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Beards:
Agreed.... Whilst this may have some of the propriety fixes it's still not the final version expected.

It's near... very near but not quite here yet.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] tameracingdriver:
My "standard" test is to use google maps navigation on the car.

Last time was on standard FW, trying to find a hotel in edinburgh. Epic fail.

This time, JM7, tried to get it to navigate to a friends house, which, as it turned out, was less than 2 miles away. Epic fail - points me in the wrong direction and then loses signal.

Utter crap. Much like the rest of the phone, I'm starting to think. Oh well, only another 15 months before I can change it. :rolleyes:
[Galaxy S I9000 General] enigmameusa:
The GPS fix is included in froyo, so hopefully not too much longer to wait
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Bynar010:
So they say it will be. At the moment thats speculative at best.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] endisforever:
i have to say mine as been much much better since i updated to 2.2 beta via the kies.

i have used it driving, walking, biking and all have been really good so far

so im now happy as i use the gps feature alot on my phone
[Galaxy S I9000 General] andrewluecke:
How do you know? Part of the GPS issue could be due to delays in the response to GPS packets.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] enigmameusa:
I think it's a little more than that.

A member called Beards seems to think it's very close, if you read his very pro-active approach on getting offical communication from Samsung I believe he thinks it's included in 2.2

And he doesn't seem to be the type of man that takes a "possibly maybe" for an answer
[Galaxy S I9000 General] quinhas_35:
i dont know but the signal isn´t stable
[Galaxy S I9000 General] compi_hu:
I performed some tests to check the accuracy of the Vibrant GPS "fix". It is about the same as the stock European JM1/JM2, so I'm quite sure this is not what Galaxy S owners are waiting for.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] cantIntoCode:
With JMH my GPS is working spot on so far.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] :
GPS a possible explanation at last

Simple really. It was never designed to work with Google positioning. Have a read here.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/17/skyhook-google-forced-motorola-to-drop-our-location-service-de/