yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Galaxy S I9000 General] sjdean:
Yup - Standalone, using supl.google.com, and enabled both options under Location and Security to allow Mobile Network and GPS Satellites.

You tell me whether that's A-GPS because I don't know any more. Is SUPL A-GPS? Is Mobile Network, A-GPS? What does Standalone do?

That track was recorded after I turned WiFi off and set off.

The walk I did that same day, from the same location, I had WiFi setup and got zig zags all over the place.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Beards:
I've just sent off a rather long letter to Clove asking them to ensure that what information they receive from Samsung this time to first clarify the content and if it has changed from being 'fix available' (which as we all know is not the case) to it now being 'possible fix', to then expect quite a lot of negativity thrown back at Samsung.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] dragunov:
I have been using the GPS quite a lot these couple of days as well (with Navigon, not google maps). I too can confirm that I am having no problems. Actually it locks much faster than my previous phone, Vivaz pro. Using it ONLY with GPS, no wifi or network connection.

My firmware is JF3 btw...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Tulips:
I got mail from Samsung and they are aware of a problem, the fix will come late august.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Tulips:
Btw... is the problem fixed in 2.2 "beta"¿
[Galaxy S I9000 General] :
Hey... check that >>> http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=738529
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ghosty_uk:
that is very sstrange as when i took my first one back to where i got it (phones for you), i made sure it was a manager who dealt with it, and she said they had not had any returned, so either she was lying, or every one who has had one must either have a phone that works (unlikly) or are not to fussed if the gps works or not.

something else to note, she actually originally picked up one designated for the orange network, but as im swapping from orange to o2 it would have been useless, however i did get to try my sim in it, and even in a buliding surrounded by mobiles it picked up a very clear signal. i know orange have a branded firmware (well on most phones they do) and a simlock in place, could this have any baring on how the gps performs.

tried my phone again tonihgt and got a fix but this time it took about 30 secs, so it appears over time it gets worse, leading me to the conclusion that what someone was saying about heat possably being a cause (like the original xbox 360 red ring of death, where the solution was to purpously overheat to to get teh solder that had become loose to remelt and repaire itself, i did this to 3 of my mates 360's, my own however has the falcon chipset so this will never happen to mine) could this type of fix work.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] eaglesteve:
I hope the fix doesn't come only had a year later when it's time to upgrade to the next iPhone killer. It's hard to live without a GPS.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Kilack:
shrug, well i for one am wanting to return one.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] larryccf:
yeah, had thought about that possibility, but the main issue seems to be not with the GPS seeing a signal or signals, but in locking onto the signal, even when its > 20 SNR

i originally hoped that was a GSM antenna socket, so like an ericsson phone i had, it had a socket in the same place, and a rubber plug on the backside, with a car dock that when you dropped it into th card dock, the external or auxiliary antenna was connected - i was thinking of rural areas where cell coverage gets weak
[Galaxy S I9000 General] PsiIion:
If you have to use it with MyTracks for a week to notice the issue it does not seem like the performance is shocking really, does it?

I have used MyTracks and GPSCompassMap quite a bit with no issues.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Beards:
Kilack's use of the word 'week' was not an obligation but more an example.

Use it for a day and that would have been deemed too short, so there's nothing wrong in Kilack saying to users to use it for a week.

As to your GPS performance..... You are very fortunate and lucky.

Again quite a large proportion of users would differ.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] appelflap:
I agree, it's not a fix. But it is a really welcome addition. I have to test it out yet. But do you know the scenario in which you are coming out of a parking garage but just don't know which direction you have to go to pick up the route the navigator is indicating? :) I hope it "fixes" that.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] appelflap:
With so many iPhone killers around you would think the iPhone would be dead by now :) But the iThing keeps popping up.

GPS works on the SGS.. that's for sure. You only need the shortcomings and a way to work with it. For example, in my favorite tracking/map program I know I have to set a parameter to work with the GPS without any problems.

I think the problem with the GPS is that it is interfering with CPU intensive GPS programs. (it is known that the gps chip delegates some processing dutties to the device CPU)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] PsiIion:
Obviously a lot of people are experiencing severe issues.

I'm just saying that it doesn't seem like everyone who has satisfactory performance think so because a lack of testing, which seems to be what Kilack is implying.

Shockingly bad performance is something you should notice after having the phone for a couple of weeks and using the GPS a lot.

The big question is in what way am I lucky?

Have I happened to get working GPS hardware, or is it that every time I use the GPS, position of satellites or weather is beneficial while for others it's not?

And why does some people experience that different firmware or settings solves the issue, and some has it working fine for some time only to have it suddenly become completely useless. It's certainly a very confusing issue.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] fredphoesh:
JP2 GPS

Hi guys

Last night I flashed to JP2 and the GPS was working fine, actually really well... I will try it more this weekend, but I am convinced it is NOT a hardware issue because it is so intermittent, and I have on occastion got locks more quickly than on my Garmin!

We will see, give Samsung a couple of months to write a fix as someone here reported they said they would.

I used the GPS/navigate last weekend to drive to some place and burst out laughing when i reached the destination and was presented with a street view of the shop I had parked outside!

Amazing.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Beards:
The biggest issue we have is in identifying the problem.... then again if we knew that, both Samsung and other developers would be insanely happy.

I have read countless stories from users who initially report their GPS works remarkably well and don't understand what all the fuss is about... only to see the same posters come back a couple of weeks later joining all those who have the problem.

Whether it's a software problem caused by various settings being altered at non given times or hardware that is overheating or badly manufactured to show up only when another hardware interacts is unknown.

The only thing we know is there is definitely a problem and one which if Samsung are not careful is going to bite them very hard from behind.... which to be truthful I am now given to believing they deserve it anyway.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] sihayqueirseva:
After doing many tests, I have verified that driving in motorcycle (with the mobile in a pocket) the precision is perfect (recording route with mytracks or Sportstracker). Nevertheless, when I go in car, it loses the satellites and starts re-calculating the route as madman. I have a Renault Laguna 04 with athermics crystal (which has not been any problem for my Desire and Omnia HD).

So, Is it a problem of weak signal of the galaxy? Why have a few terminals with problems and others not? Has the whole world that has problems athermics crystals in this car? I'm confused... :confused:

My setup:

LbsTestMode:

Standalone, Accuracy-->140, Hot Start

sup.google.com, 7272 port, ssl secure OFF.

In 15-20 sgs view 8-9 satellites, locks 6-8

I9000XWG1, root, mimocan ext4 fix. (no problem at all)

Phone came from UK, simfree.

I´m from Spain.

I hope that helps anyone. :(

PD.: Sorry for my bad bad english, I know.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Kilack:
Well lets not get all caught up in the wording of what I wrote please, you were missing my point. I was simply meaning that people might want to hold off on saying it is working perfectly when they have only had the phone for a couple of days simply because quite a few of us that have had the phone more than a couple of days have struck problems later down the track when it seemed to be working perfectly at first.

I have been reading thread after thread about this issue because I guess I find it quite interesting in the fact that no one seems to be able to really find the cause of it whether it be the chipset or the firmware or even the cpu being overloaded, who knows.

All these phones are the same, so a good chance that under the right or wrong conditions its pretty safe to assume that anyones can fail.

So even the people that have a working gps and all appears fine should be at least concerned as to why so many others are failing with the same hardware.

I mentioned mytracks simply because it really makes it obvious, car navigation apps etc snap you to the road so even if the gps is inaccurate sometimes the app is smart enough to make up for it.

You are right in that if it is very bad you would notice it after a couple of weeks of using it a lot, I was replying to someone that had used it for 2 days and I bet probably just briefly :)

A lot of the people that upgrade the firmware then claim its fixed simple turned their gps on with gpstest and tested how fast they got a lock and then posted its fixed.

Anyway this has all been posted before... I'm glad that yours is working fine, mine is working again too for now... :)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ghosty_uk:
sorry, i was mearly pointing out that my first one never managed to work at all, yet this new oone seems fine-ish, im still in the process of testing it so i will hav eto wait and see, but for now it looks like it mite work.

as for the testing i use my gps alot, so i guess i will find out how bad this one is in a few days.

as for samsung i can't believe they would not aknowlegde there is a problem, i mean look at what happened to the iphone 4, i think there is definatly something wrong but what i have yet to discover as have may others. then what will be the procedure to fix it, are they going to offfer a free service, or replacement. or is it just a software bug that can be fix by a little bit of code.

as it does not seem to be just the SGS that has this fault, it would appear its an interfacing issue. maybe something in andriod does not like the samsung gps chip. as i have found out its mostly the andriod devices that have this issue.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ultra spikey:
Tell Samsung yourself that GPS is worthless - www.galaxyshelp.com

Samsung just released their official help site for the Galaxy S. I just finished a chat session with tech support concerning the GPS issues. Basically, he said they are aware of it and the engineers are working on it. If enough of us report the issue, I'm sure they will feel the pressure to release a fix to us ASAP.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Arkymedes:
Good finding, thanks!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Beards:
Okay... I received an update from Chris Love at Clove this afternoon.

Here is the message received:-

Mike,

I have spoken to the product manager this afternoon who has confirmed the update to resolve this is now available

I am going to get Richard to test this tomorrow morning and then we can confirm this to you.

Regards

Chris Love

Clove Technology

Tel: 01202 552936

Fax: 01202 552937

www.clove.co.uk

cpl@clove.co.uk
[Galaxy S I9000 General] teryz:
Good news, mate but what update is he talking about, is it a firmware or what?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] AllGamer:
it only supports American models apparently.

choices are:

AT&T

T-Mobile

i don't think they will care for the Euro/Asia version of the SGS
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Beards:
No idea at present.... In my reply I asked Chris to get Richard to mail me all the details including the link where he is getting the update from.

As soon as I have further information I'll post.

However, everyone please bear in mind I shall be in theatre on and off most of tomorrow during the day until 6PM (UK times) and may not get a chance to check my mail.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] djglenn1337:
Thanks for the great info Beards...what Chris/Richard comes back with is going to determine if I push the button on a Galaxy S or a Desire next week.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Beowulf_pt:
That makes two of us. I have been observing the SGS for weeks now and the GPS issue is the only thing keeping me from purchasing one.

Lots of confusion about the performance, fake fixes, people confusing a fast assisted TTFF with true accuracy and ability to keep the locks and so on. Sometimes it feels as is there are a dozen of hardware and fw versions.

Right now I really doubt that the problem is only in firmware. Probably a combination of hardware (poor antenna design, component IO and so on) and sw (firmware, drivers, OS...)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Beards:
There are few sellers in the same vein as Clove.

Chris and his team always put their customers wishes as of paramount importance.

As an example I know of another member who is purchasing a Galaxy S from Clove and Chris will be getting Richard to check the update before releasing the phone to the buyer.

If it works the buyer has the option of Richard installing it for him.

There's few if any other sellers who would go this far to ensure the customer is happy.

Again I have absolutely no connection with Clove.

My reason's for recommending are borne from nigh on 20yrs corresponding with Chris.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ghosty_uk:
update on my SGS GPS, tested with google navi this afternoon on a short drive round my town and suprisingly it tracked me all the way the conditions were as follows:

driving a 306 cabriolet (roof was up as it has a hydrolic leak i need to fix)

rear windows were half open (see above, was too hot otherwise)

air flow was set to 2 and cold.

phone was placed in the lower stowadge bin (no cover), but kept sliding around to much so moved it to infront of the rev counter and fuel gadge (where it was covered on 5/6 sides)

weather was slightly overcast

options unchanged from factory,

it did jump once or twice when i took a really wide line on a roundabout or 2, but as soon as it realised it found me and tracked me again.

im hoping this one is ok or the fix from clove is a good one.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] andrewluecke:
I think Samsung are doing thing's properly, so I'd recommend you don't harass them. I'd rather they spend their resources on Froyo and get it out in late August with all the bugs in Eclair fixed, rather than patch up bugs one-by-one in Eclair (and yes, I have plenty of uses for accurate GPS, and even I don't mind the wait). Remember QA takes time, and it's never a simple cut-and-paste job.

This website is a tech support website, and you aren't speaking to developers directly. Bugging them will simply tie up tech support for people with less-obvious issues, and probably do little to help your cause. In fact, it will just possibly cause frustration, demotivation in the tech support teams and may encourage carriers to drop Android in the future.

Give Samsung a chance to fix the problem. This phone has been out only 2 months. Harrassing developers wont make them work faster, and I think you'll find that they are working on critical issues anyway. The developers aren't stupid... You are trading off between better quality Froyo, or better GPS in a mobile OS which will be depreciated soon.

What DO you think the Samsung developers are doing, sitting around eating pizza? Prioritising adding google Buzz support? Adding facebook chat? Seriously, they are looking at their buglist now and identifying bugs which are common throughout the community.

Bugging them actually may force them to spend more money on tech support, which means less money to spend on developers. Long term, it may be detrimental..

Btw, people are claiming GPS is awesome in the latest Froyo build (but then again, we don't know if they tested properly). So it's possible they are now simply testing the patch..

Anyway, just my thoughts, I might be wrong..
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ultra spikey:
The least they can do is publicly acknowledge that there is a problem, and let us know that they are REALLY working on a fix. I know a lot of people are going to return this phone within the 14-day return period. It would be nice to know that we can expect a fix. With Samsung not saying anything, doesn't really give a lot of people hope. We can just assume that they will do something about it, just like how some Samsung owners assumed they would get updates for their phones(but never did). For all we know they could just be sitting around eating pizza.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] teryz:
I'm happy for you ghosty but can you tell us what update you made (not clear to me) ?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] salvatordali16:
thats also my opinion!! we bought 3 SGS in my familiy.... an we will return all off them - because of the gps-problem. if samsung would say they are able to fix it i would not bring them back.

you can find thousend of postings about this problem - but no official answer from samsung.

i think a lot of people are very disappointed. its my third smartphone - the first one is about 3 years old - and although they are much oder, their gps is much better. i would not buy it again with this problems!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Kilack:
Clove have a great reputation but I really wonder if they have a proper fix. I can't imagine Samsung giving them new firmware and telling them to flash phones etc so I think it is just going to be a settings change and probably just playing with the A-GPS again... but I guess we will see.

The curious thing is that I also emailed clove a couple of days ago and told them about gps issues and they said they would email me back... I got a different reply though, they asked me to return my phone... Not sure I can be bothered though. Will mean a couple of weeks without it.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Beards:
If there is one thing I have no hesitation in saying is I do not doubt Clove's integrity one bit. If they say they have been given information that an update is available then I believe that, period.

Further, it is not a case of Samsung giving them the update and telling them to apply the fix.

This upgrade Clove will be doing tomorrow will be on their own personal Galaxy phones.

If it is successful then ultimately it is down to the customer to decide whether or not to install the update.

As to the remainder of your reply you mentioned all of this in a P.M. to me ~ which I went to length to explain to you there was nothing sinister going on etc etc.

As you have chosen not to reply to my answer but to post back here I can only base that as a personal snub.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Kilack:
Hi,

Well actually sorry but I didn't even know you had replied. First time I have ever got a private messge on these forums and got no notification in my email account which is what I usually rely on. Plus the fact the iphone was just launched in our country, well kind of.. launch has been delayed for unknown reasons so have been a bit distracted. A personal snub? not at all, no idea why you assumed that. I posted on the board as well as just was wondering if anyone else had any thoughts on what kind of fix clove might have. I have no doubts about clove, just doubts about the fix samsung might have given them.

I'd definitely be keen on trying any fix before sending it back if that is what it comes to.

I think I'll take a bow now and leave the discussions here for everyone else, seem to be stepping on too many toes unintentionally hehe.

thanks for your information, much appreciated.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ghosty_uk:
sorry there was no actual update, i ment it as an update of my previous posts.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] jmreed97:
Most appreciate your updates Beards... Please keep them coming!:D
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ghosty_uk:
Beards,

is this fix clove have going to be available to the general public if it works, as i did not get my mobile form them, im wondering if its a keep it for our customers thing (no disrespect intended), it just i have experienced this in the past and dont like know that there is a fix but because i did not get it form the right store i cant do anything about it.

also will the phone have to be rooted for this to work, as im still unsure of how rooting works, im learning as i go and dont want to brick my SGS like i did my PSP (fortunatly i managed to fix that).
[Galaxy S I9000 General] guinnes.s:
Is the gps problem on O2 UK to? thanx
[Galaxy S I9000 General] enigmameusa:
If there's a "clove fix" it wll be released to everyone at some point. I can't see Samsung coming up with something like for Clove customers, and also a Clove customer will just tell everyone what the fix is.

I would guess, and it is quite a big guess, the fix is the new official firmware
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Beards:
At this moment in time I have no idea where this update is coming from or where it will be going. The only info I currently have is which I posted earlier.

Having said that I have replied back to Clove asking Chris to submit all details where the update is coming from including any links. That way it avoids any cross purpose/incorrect reflections on where and what exactly the update entails.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Ancient_One:
What is the issue. I have used the GPS with no problems.

I read people complaining about how many satellites they are connecting to and so on and so on.

How many do you need for pitty sakes.

I don't know how many I have just that I have GPS working and it's reporting me with an accuracy of 10mtrs.

As far as I'm concerned that's fine.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] padlad:
Seems like it I'm afraid, It is definitely not good on my O2 UK unit (jf1)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] MAMBO04:
Well said above ^^

i agree i don't see a problem. My GPS works fine, and even better with the leaked FroYo builds. I get a GPS lock in 3 seconds, and it's accurate.

I dunno what the major problems are but ir's working fine for me. What isn't working fine is my WiFi, constantly drops after an hour or so and doesn't recognize my WiFi so needs a reboot and then does. Now that is serious and they're replacing it for me :D
[Galaxy S I9000 General] nicoloco:
You don't have gps problem ... good for you but don't say that there is no problem at all

I did some track of my run and I can tell you that compared to other phone it's crap.

I used copilot yesterday , it was not that bad but couple of time he was completely lost ( no high buildgin, no cloud)

On my side I never had any problem with my wifi which is connected 20/24 on either my office or my home. So stop saying that there is problem with wifi because I don't have
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Rawat:
They're working on it.

http://twitter.com/Samsungservice/status/19861814931
[Galaxy S I9000 General] eaglesteve:
I've already cancelled by contract because of the GPS, after just 15 days into the contract. Optus let me get out of the contract and told me that if I agree to go on their iPhone 4 plan, they'll charge me just $350 for early termination. I'll let me son use it as he does not drive yet, so GPS is not important for him. He noticed the lag though.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] TravUK:
Yep, it affects everyone, even those who are unaffected :) Update should be with us soon.