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[Galaxy S I9000 General] TravUK:
Where did you get GPS Refresh from?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Tyxerakias:
Do you mean maybe 'gps refresh rate meter'? Probably not.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Beards:
The Market Mark.

Apologies but it's full name is 'GPS Refresh Rate Meter' but typing GPS Refresh into The Market's search window brought it up just now.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Beards:
Yes, sorry.... just noticed your post after I had replied to Mark above.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Beards:
To all re GPS Refresh ~ It's full title is called GPS Refresh Rate Meter but once it is installed it is simply named GPS Refresh. :)
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Evans_Prophet:
I have enabled skyhook as well and the ms-based option, although I am not sure it works.

Google maps all in all sucks. I tried Sygic (Using JG3) and the gps was working perfectly (nevertheless I was in a cloudless sky, in the car, without major buildings around me).

Btw, why you say that JF5 will fix things?? - we are already at JG3..
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Evans_Prophet:
It is a protected app and I cannot dl it (using JG3).
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Beards:
Try contacting the developer either at his Web Site here, or via their Support email here
[Galaxy S I9000 General] snaff:
As far as I can tell Samsung have done nothing to improve the GPS, besides perhaps some tweaks to alter some trade-offs. I get no better result from JPM than I did from JG3 or anything inbetween.

The story was that they were going to bundle the software fix with Froyo - not that anything would have necessitated that anyway, but now we know that's not true.

They've played for time and they've kept quiet. It looks increasingly like the problem is hardware and that Samsung will never admit to it.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] MyGalaxy:
After running JPK and delete the gps cache, my track is almost like in post #12.

But, I try running on waze(install from android market), seem it work perfectly... Now I not really bother to run google maps anymore...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Oletros:
At least with my phone, accuracy jumps erraticaly from 10 to 50 meters making navigation almost unusable.

Also, there is a lag with GPS data that makes it going straight on turns or on changes in speed.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] cba1986:
Admins should create a whining section for SGS and put all this threads in there. So the people who has a problem with phone has a place to complain and don't fill the general and development section with useless threads.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] torres76:
14foot accuracy with 10 satellites 10 sec lock inside house running jm9 Doc's RomMod v5 slim version. Drove to Devon with no errors stayed on lane and started and stopped correctly.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] dcc22:
Can that be google gps related? I used the navigon app and it even told me to cross the road to reach my target when i was in front of it :s
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Oletros:
No, is not related with the software
[Galaxy S I9000 General] BackfireNL:
To make a good comparison i will make a mytrack with my Nexus One while driving home tonight! it will give you a good idea of the difference
[Galaxy S I9000 General] darkoroje:
I don't think we really know if it is hardware or software however I would say that if it was indeed a software issue it would have probably be fixed by now
[Galaxy S I9000 General] coradux:
Do you at least know how Google maps works? Are you using car mode or pedestrian? do you have pedestrian trails on Google maps?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Shocky2:
GPS Fix, when?

Using JPM, GPS is as bad as ever.

My old HTC Legend can lock 9 satellites indoors within 1 minute, Galaxy S can lock 1 can that's it.

This is pathetic.

When will this be fixed??
[Galaxy S I9000 General] zorxd:
With HTC Hero:

http://maps.google.ca/maps/ms?ie=UT....782379,-71.267431&spn=0.005628,0.013937&z=17

With Galaxy S (Bell gt-i9000m, JH2):

http://maps.google.ca/maps/ms?ie=UT....782379,-71.267431&spn=0.005628,0.013937&z=17
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ijat91:
wow man, galaxy s was pretty bad...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] NetCopAD:
In their next product... maybe.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Shocky2:
Yep, seems that way. :(
[Galaxy S I9000 General] SkinBobUk:
What amazes me is that Samsung haven't even acknowledged the faults with the phone. Motorola always seem to hold there hands up when there are problems with the various models they make.

Even more so im shocked Google haven't got on the case and told Samsung to do something. If an average phone user was to pick up a galaxy Im not too sure they would opt to choose android the next time they buy a new phone.

Has there actually been any evidence that the Samsung devs read these forums?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] mike.sw:
lol, nice flight recording!

All the guys here who say they have problems, please post some my tracks recording with FW version.

actually, possible i think.

in Froyo under Location and Security you have option called "Use sensor aiding"... what sensor is that?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] TheCarl:
I just updated to JP6 in Kies.

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF&msa=0&msid=105592029759913531824.000492bcc5178b386e5f8

That is me standing completely still for 5 mins.

It took maybe 5 mins to get a lock.

*#*#1472365#*#* does not work for me anymore.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] jutezak:
It _might_ be that Samsung relies too much on Long Term Orbit prediction support. This is not totally accurate.

The effect would be that the initial lock is fast without extra data use, but inaccurate. The offset would vary depending on which satellite is in view.

After the orbit data is received from the satellite (30 seconds of uninterrupted reception) thing should become accurate. But when a new satellite comes into view and is used, its orbit data may be inaccurate and lead to an offset. After 30 - 45 seconds, everything would be OK again.

Something like the above could explain why it is so accurate at some times, and inaccurate other times.

That said it seems the Galaxy also gives the last known position as 'current' if it doesn't now any better. And it switches off the GPS too quickly; I feel I get better results if I let OSMtracker keep the GPS busy.

And do not forget that in the city, the reflections will occasionally turn your path wobbly. GPS is not perfect and comparing is difficult. "Getting it right" also depends on conditions and testing. I've noticed a TomTom car driving around with 8 GPS units behind the window, and I suppose they were testing GPS reception - testing the announcements in that way does not make a lot of sense, does it?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Shocky2:
Your lucky to lock 5 satellites with the Galaxy S, I can only got 1 when in-car, completely useless for me.

Even inaccurate would be improvement. :eek:
[Galaxy S I9000 General] DamianGto:
I do have two sgs here and both work.

What i have seen that many use mytrack. Well that sucks. I did a couple of test

I drive around in town and on highway. All was spot on.

When i did look in mytrack it still was spot on. Then i did upload it.

Well its not the same track. It was missing track and many places it was way off.

Well i know it was not in the phone.

I think something is different on the phone and the web.

I know more people has the same experience. So to see this track upload here don't tell much.

My teori is that this is both a hardware foult and a software foult.

The people that has a very bad gps do have a hardware problem. The rest is only software.

That would explain why people do have so different experience with the gps.

For me it spot on and i do use it alot.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] mike.sw:
well, after you upload track with my tracks just comapre it with the map @ phone.

all my recorded tracks with my track are 1 to 1.

actually the only time something like you describe happened to me was with endomondo app. on phone there was 1 map but something went wrong with the upload and this is what i received on the web site:

http://www.endomondo.com/workouts/q_QpHv0Z4rc
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Warrior4Jah:
When outside and standing still my Galaxy S can (eventually) find -and- lock on to as much as 11(!) satellites.

But as soon as I start walking or cycling this drops to 4 or 5 satellites locked with at most 7 or 8 in view.

Also when cycling it takes my SGS about 10 minutes to lock on the satellites it finds, after that it works decent.

Above was tested with GPStest and googlemaps.

Later on I was at a train station where I compared GPS tracking with JP6 firmware on my SGS with my wifes SE X10 using google maps. My phone got a much quicker lock and had between 5 and 10 meters accuracy, on google maps it was almost spot on (positioned on wrong side of the train rails

Her SE X10 took a bit longer to lock but accuracy was better (2 meters). Also on her phone we where positioned at the right side of the rails. :)

When we got in the train I lost most of the satellites while my wifes phone remained her lock. We could follow the train on maps and see a perfect lock on my wifes phone, while on my SGS all satellite locks dropped away. This made tracking impossible on my SGS

I only used the GPS-satellite option, not sensor aid or wireless networks. To make the comparison fair she also had AGPS turned off.

I'm afraid that using my SGS for navigating in car will be as useless as when using when on a train.

GPS did improve over older firmwares as I usually had a 1.2KM to 900meter accuracy in the past with 2 to 4 satellites in view and never or for very short moments a lock. As far as googlemaps not being reliable; somehow my wifes X10 manages to do a very good job.

I am going to play around with LBStestmode to see if I can get some improvements by changing values. In the meanwhile I am going to wait till JP6 officially is pushed for my region and then contact my phone provider for another (hopefully problem free? SGS)

My unit was bought 1 month after it launched and had no 3 button problem.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] .IC3M4N.:
Froyo GPS...

The problem that many users of the sgs are facing with the gps is that some lots(dunno if this is the correct term) of phones , mainly the first lots that were sold have an internal hardware problem with the receptor and it is not to blame the eclair or froyo about it. I bought two different phones, one from the uk when it first appeared and one from Romania. just a few weeks ago. The first one from the UK still has problems because it can only lock on 1 maybe 2 or 3 sattelites. On the other hand on the one bought here in Romania for wich i had to wait to be deleivered because there was no more stock, in aprox 30sec to 1 min i get 6-9 sattelites that are being used. So my point is that some users are lucky some are not. I am somewhere in between :D

Sorry for the misspelling but im in a rush :) And also it is my FIRST post :D hope it won't be my last :D
[Galaxy S I9000 General] betoNL:
Since I am not a "Google Maps" user ( only use Motonav, Navigon and Sygic and always offline) and I am not having serious gps issues (only use some "assist" to speed up the first satellite fix during a cold start) and knowing for a fact that Google Maps is not working properly in many regions, is it possible to assume that the "GPS" issue, is more a "Google Maps" issue?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6QnNMxuCig

( Just skip the intro, video is a bit too long)

Next week gonna make along trip to Amsterdam running iGo Motonav; that will a better test...

But as I said so far so good

Still on JPH
[Galaxy S I9000 General] DamianGto:
Like did say the was not the same. I guess information was missing or Google maps did not use the same that i did upload.

I did use mytrack to upload...

I did this 5 times and with 2 different phone. So for me its 5/5 that's wrong.

I use copilot and a newer had any problem. It always show where i am. Most i had 12 of 12 locked. That was when i did stand still.

Most of the time i got 7-9 locked.

Gps test always show 5 meter.

Don't know if it show less on sgs.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] zorxd:
So can you explain why my tracks works well on my HTC Hero but not with my Galaxy S?

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=8654803&postcount=43

Switch to satellite view to understand how bad the Galaxy S was on this bicycle trip.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] zorxd:
Yes, I sent it to Bell for repair. Now I have to wait 2-6 weeks. I wish they will fix it. Maybe not all phones have the bug and a new one would be fine.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ehe12:
I'm afraid I'm gonna have to say sorry pal. I just updated to official JPM JP6, the gps still has problem. when I went out for a walk using google navigator, it kept drifting all the time, I just can't imagine what would happen if I were driving on a highway... could easily miss the exit or disconcentrate and get involved in an accident...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ehe12:
or you can also go with a cracked version and pay nothing...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] DamianGto:
Like i did say before. I do have two sgs without any gps problem.

The dude i buy 2 month ago.

The other this week.

Stock firmware was different in them.

With running jpm. The new one with oclf and the old one with a new alfa lag fix with ext2 Filesystem.

So i still believe its some phone that has hardware foult.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ehe12:
I've lost my trust to SGS GPS...it's so bad that even a wm 6.5 phone released 3 years ago could have done better...

I would say there definitely a GPS hardware problem. Otherwise it wouldn't be so difficult to fix. SAMSUNG works so hard on releasing 2.2 rom, but guess what? the 2.2 rom is nothing important compared to GPS to me...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] t1mman:
Just a little FYI here, i've played around with the settings in GPS and I found a way to make it work better.

First time I used SportyPal, I got it all crooked, peaks here and there and, with my new settings it seems like it pretty accurate.

I find the Dynamic Accurancy to be the most likely to cause theses issue, so switch it to off

then, drop the accurancy to 30 or less (10 or less might have a hard time finding a fix). I've put it on 30 on my last run and dropping it slowly to see the result.

At fisrt, I've enabled SkyHook, but the tracking seems to stop after a certain time... I have yet to confirm that this is the source.

Here's a track taken by car:

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=U...39479225419447.00049299d506d56ab0ac1&t=h&z=16

here's my latest run: (GPS stoped in the way, so look only at the first half)

http://sportypal.com/Workouts/Details/717358?key=584234b80708154965611d74e9bc9ab5c7630203&ms=0
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ehe12:
well I've played around with 10ish different roms and none of them can fix the gps drifting problem. I start to believe it's a hardware problem.Samsung dare not admit cause they will have to recall all sold phones and this could lead them to bankrupt. They just keep quiet or claim it's a software problem and will be fixed. it's been how long since i9000 been released? 6 month? still no solution for a "software problem"?this "software problem" is even more difficult to be solved than releasing a 2.2 update?

doubt it...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] t1mman:
all the roms (I supose) have the same settings. If you haven't touch the settings, then try it (you have nothing to lose, realy)

enter *#*#1472365#*#*

Change Dynamic accurancy to No

Drop Accurancy to whatever (I had it to 15 and got a fix within a minute)

retry
[Galaxy S I9000 General] crabjoe:
I think we can all assume that Google Maps is fine since it works on all the other Android phones.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] DamianGto:
Well i do have mine to 150. That's what works best for me.

All other settings is stock on jpm.

They did fix a setting that's default now. Before you have to change.more.

But both my sgs work fine without any tweak, but it is a little better.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] cba1986:
Since XWJM7 the GPS always worked fine. Without jumping or anything strange. Perhaps a little innacuracy when i am sorrounded by tall buildings, but thats all.

I'm tired of saying that the GPS always worked well for me. But they always said that I was lying. So do not waste your breath and ignore them.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Oletros:
No, Google Maps work as intended on other Android phones.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] zorxd:
It doesn't fix anything anyways. Google navigation works fine on all android devices, except the Galaxy S.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] mike.sw:
so basically what you can understand from this topic is that GPS still suck for some users while others are OK...

sounds to me like hardware problem...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] macnessie:
Hi, I would just to like to add me input into this topic as if the GPS worked then I would be very happy with this phone. I did a test today with some of the setting tweeks posted in various threads and here are my results.

maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?ui=maps&ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=108992443712201869265.000492cca2f4c37be0d95&ll=55.875455,-4.30192&spn=0.014878,0.035963&z=14&iwloc=000492cca304298ff2804

(sorry I can't post a direct link)

But as you can see although it's not perfect, the phone does know where I am within about 30 feet. Could this not be down to how often the phone records your position?

What I think needs to be done is firstly we need to be determine if it is a hardware or software fault and to do this we should all start from the same basic settings, on various roms and then compare the results. if there are people reporting no fault with their gps then lets ask them to do a test and compare the results with those that do have problems. Otherwise this will just keep going on and on with no end in sight.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] BackfireNL:
http://maps.google.nl/maps/ms?ie=UT...38016725610907.000492cd9e197caf4ab31&t=h&z=14

Here is a test i did with my Nexus One so you can compare it with the SGS
[Galaxy S I9000 General] macnessie:
Well, the good thing that this shows is that the Nexus one is almost comparable to the SGS, unless of course you decided to take a boat ride during your trip :) but at least it looks like it is not a hardware fault that a lot of people keep saying. I'd be interested to see other results and compare them all.

Thanks.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] boliveira2:
That's exactly what I thought when I saw the track. Well yesterday I was talking in project-voodoo irc channel to someone that did the froyo update via kies with no reghack and he showed me 3 tracks that were much, much better than this ( Except for one small part on his 3rd track but the rest was spot on ). So, I will wait for the official version via kies with no reghack. If it's still ****, I will use an external bluetooth receiver that has very good results.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ehe12:
this code won't work on froyo...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ehe12:
dude I'm not saying you are lying. but read this thread. how many people complain and how many say they are satisfied? definitely something wrong with most people's phones.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] NagyBaj:
Here's the code for froyo:

*#3214789650#
[Galaxy S I9000 General] t1mman:
Good!

Will anybody with Froyo and acurancy issue try to disable dynamic accurancy, drop accurancy to 25 and test it out?

Thanks!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] cba1986:
You are right. Maybe there is a revision that haves faulty GPS.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ukm700user:
The whole navigation issue really annoys me mine suffers like this vid http://bit.ly/brunG4 and is next to useless. The biggest complaint I have is that all over the internet facebook and twitter people are saying they have issues and Samsung don't even both replying and just keep promoting the new Galaxy Tab
[Galaxy S I9000 General] mjl_79:
Here is how My Tracks looks in my phone, running official JP6: http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=U...5.065183,25.506821&spn=0.195689,0.727158&z=11

In my opinion its really good, when driving at highway you can even see what line I'm driving. Cloudy day and light rain all the way. My phone was on passenger seat when recording.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] crabjoe:
Can everyone start posting the manufacture dates of their SGS and whether or not their GPS works?

If the new phones all work better or work, where older phones have more problems, we'll know is Samsung made a production change in their phones. Maybe better quality control, or a slight change in design (possibly they moved the antenna or went with some other parts manufacturer) but at least will get a better idea on if anything changed.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] DamianGto:
The truth is that not many that the gps works do write about it. So its most people that have a gps that don't work good thats write.

Then it look like a very big problem. But its not.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] crabjoe:
That's an assumption you're making!

I and many others may also be making an assumption too, but I know 3 other people with Galaxy S variants and none of them have a properly working GPS. They don't post or complain about it because they don't use the GPS in their phones. They didn't even know they had a problem until I asked to look at their phones GPS functions.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Oletros:
Reducing accuracy make it worse
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Oletros:
The truth is that Samsung has acknowledged that there is problems with GPS.

My God, I can't understand so blinfly defense of a company.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] t1mman:
did you disable dynamic accurancy?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Oletros:
Yes, and if it was a real s**t before, now is a imperial s**t.

As I can't make it work, I will send for repair expecting the new one has better GPS
[Galaxy S I9000 General] t1mman:
is it with accurancy you have an issue or with lock speed?

Can you record a track (using mytrack)? and post it?

You know you have a 1 year waranty on those, if it's "Unusable", you should have it replaced...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] Oletros:
Accuracy, I don't mind if the first lock takes 15 sec or 1 min, the thing I want to work well is the actual tracking and it doesn't work well, it lags from reality and it loses lock
[Galaxy S I9000 General] NagyBaj:
I bought my SGS mid August. (anyone know the code for getting the date of production?)

I'm running Froyo w/ OCLF.

With dynamic accuracy disabled and accuracy set to 25 I still get some inaccurate readings.

e.g. I'm travelling on the road and it thinks I'm travelling 5-10m off the road.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] mike.sw:
sure! where can I find it?
[Galaxy S I9000 General] t1mman:
then it's probably too low, try something like 20 or 30 and record a track to see.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ehe12:
went out and tried. no luck...at first it seemed work, but very soon it lost signal again and started relocating,I tried around 5 mins and it relocated 3-4 times...
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ehe12:
I got mine this September. running the same as yours and everything looks the same!
[Galaxy S I9000 General] NagyBaj:
Hey guys, how about collecting all this info in a google spreadsheet? If the gps issue is present in a statistically significant proportion of our phones then we go to Sammy and tell'em to fix it or else we publish our findings in gizmodo, engadget, etc..
[Galaxy S I9000 General] ehe12:
things are getting interesting. Samsung should have responded a lot quicker... I will contact them about this issue.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] mike.sw:
samsung doesn't care. we need help from one of the big tech-blog site like gizmodo or engadget to post about sgs gps problems.. somth like iphone's "you are holding it wrong" thing.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] DamianGto:
They never say its on every phone.

I got 2 and both work.

They have sold over 5 miljon phone.

And it a few % that has problem.

I dont defend Samsung at all, but this gps foult people here writing about is so not common and if you do have big problem then its your phone Thay broken and need a repair. Don't tell everybody that's all phone is broken. Then you lie big time