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[XPERIA X10 General] Darthhister:
Whats up with this? Everyone is insulting 1.6 like its trash. Now I understand there are new versions of android, but android is BA compared to Windows Mobile (which is why I replaced my x1 with an x10). I love my phone, even if it runs on an old OS. Now what bothers me is when some moron compares it to the apple OS, and the real difference between them is apple and google. Google hands out their OS to phone makers, and doesnt charge for updates. This allows some one to have a nice OS on a wide variety of phones. Now the Apple OS is only on the Iphone, and apple charges for updates or leaves older versions of their phone to suffer forcing people to buy a new device when they want to upgrade, IE iphone, iphone 3g, iphone 3gs, iphone 4, and next will be no doubt iphone 4gs and more people will pay for that too. Thats it. And thats why im happy with a screen thats not engineered for marketing purposes only.
[XPERIA X10 General] vhicke:
I have both phones and i find plus in both phones . But if not update soon to the x10 then it will be on the bottom really fast. As for software every phone has a life span. Also had htc hero nothing coming after 2.1 for that one
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
You must be fairly new to SE. What do you think SE is planning to do? They are going to give you your update in Q1 or Q2 of next year (despite what they say now). Because this is the same thing they always do. You still won't be able to run Adobe 10.1 because that requires at least 2.2. So by the time you get your update to 2.1 the 2.3 will have been out for a month or two.

I also love everyone talking about how open Google is. Well that may be, but the X10 is not open at all. F'n phone is patched up tighter than king tutt.
[XPERIA X10 General] Tom-Helge:
Please explain this to me in more details why X10 is is patched up tighter than king tutt?

But after your posts here, it seems that your the noob with SE here. Remember i have been a SE user for about 7-8 years now. So i knows my stuffs with the company.
[XPERIA X10 General] Darthhister:
I dont recall saying anything in that post about waiting for an update. Your logic is going in circles. "F'n phone is patched up tighter than king tutt", WOW, good job not making any sense! Its rooted, people are making custom roms, and its seems to me like people on these forums are customizing their phone the way they want, I know I am. That really seems 'patched up'.

It seems to me like your only on here trying to insult a PHONE, trying to PROVE your iphone is better than the competition. Well enough is enough, if you want to make your phone look supreme, go to forum that has apple fanboys, because im sure plenty of people here are tired of your religously fanatical Iphone blasphemy!
[XPERIA X10 General] rico761028:
Let him continue. It is kinda cute.

I don't understand his ranting about X10 not being open either. I have had much more fun playing around with my rooted X10 than what I'd have if I would have bought an Iphone.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
For the average user who does not want to void their warranty and manually track and install updates it is still just as closed today as is was last month.

Also, there is still a very good chance SE will patch the X10 so root no longer works.

So it is open for a very small handful of users. Not the open platform Google intended. Thanks SE! And, still not a very good comparison model when people say iphone is closed. Because X10 is closed too.
[XPERIA X10 General] rico761028:
So he equates being open to being patched up tighter than King Tutt? First the phone IS patched up tighter and now it MIGHT be because there is a RISK that SE will fix it? Seems he is not only full of oxymorons... He even puts oxymorons in the wrong tempus. Like I said, cute.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
The vast majority of X10 owners are not going to root their phones. They either wouldn't know where to begin and/or don't want to void their warranties, and also have to track updates on their own waiting for someone with a root to issue the updated second hand.

The part I always find so amazing is that when a fellow X10 owner finds fault with their device and tries to test other products you SE religious zealots try to say that the phone they are considering has ZERO advantages and the SE flagship device reigns supreme. They both have their advantages.

The X10 is a great device. Google Android is a good OS. Unfortunately SE's lack of follow through and poor customer service has screwed up both on the X10.

So whilst X10'rs are waiting, and waiting, and waiting. I will pick up a free Iphone and play around with that until something better comes along. Because as these two device stand right now, the iphone is the better of the two products. And, I don't care how closed minded you are and how much you hate apple. It is water off a ducks back.
[XPERIA X10 General] rynoon:
If I may paraphrase:

"My closed minded zeal is superior to your closed minded zeal, you closed minded zealots with your zealously closed minded ways!"

Or in other words:

"Derp."
[XPERIA X10 General] Tom-Helge:
I'm waiting, but i'm not in a hurry to get Android 2.1.

And by your statements, then HTC is as much slow to get out updates and that. HTC Desire wont get Android 2.2 officially before december this year. So yeah, don't blame Sony Ericsson to be slow when they have to do their own UI before they release an update / Android 2.1.

And i rather wait longer to get a really nice UI by the way. And not just the standard UI from Google in Android.

Anyways, enjoy your iPhone 4. But don't forget to read this again. And i hope you will love to be locked down to hell and back. And to be controlled by Steve Jobs.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
That is deep.

I am a zealot for talking about the benefits of another product? How do you figure?

I own the p900, p910, x1, and the x10. And I am considering the benefits of a product other then SE. Exactly how does that make me a zealot?
[XPERIA X10 General] rynoon:
Sorry. You're probably right. We'll go with your original claim that everybody besides you is a zealot for talking about the benefits of a product, but not you. No, not you at all. You're free to do the exact same thing without being labelled for it because... You can fill me in on that one later. I'm sure it's a great reason.

You, who spent what was surely countless hours researching the phone that you very nearly knew the name of. That was the first indication (for me at least) that you very nearly had something intelligent to say. The countless factual errors you make in your claims beside that drop that down a bit more, but I digress: You sir, are no zealot.

Zealots tend to do a little research.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
No one mentioned "every body" other than you. There is one guy using more than one user profile in order to make it appear that there are multiple people that share his close minded opinions.

There are countless factual errors in several of the statements from people who are not here to discuss actual benefits of both devices. But instead have come to prove how right they are about everything. Seeking debate instead of simply openly discussing real benefits of both products.

Then there are the multiple times people have reverted to Andriod to make their comparisons instead of sticking to the X10.

It is like talking to small children. That is way I simply put the user in question on ignore. I am not trying to prove anything. I am not here looking for debate.

I am simply stating that as these two products stand in their current condition the Iphone has more advantages then the X10.

I was offering my opinion. Am I right about everything I think, of course not. But I was hoping to read what other considerate people had to say. Not engage in childish name calling and meaningless debate.
[XPERIA X10 General] Tom-Helge:
And those advantages are?

Personally, i can't see many advantages in the link i have posted earlier that shows what iPhone 4 is missing and so on.
[XPERIA X10 General] ClintonH:
Normally don't post in threads like this but I have to say I cannot agree with you less on this statement. I mean we are talking about a phone here right? How is not being able to use your brand new $1000 Iphone to make a call a phone? I think Sony got it right by actually let you make a call without loosing reception by holding. LOL :p ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] Darthhister:
Can I get a poll to see how many people here have more than one profile in order to make it look like a bunch of closed minded zealots.

The hardware isnt what makes a phone, its the fusion of hardware and software that create the electronic devices that we love so much. Basically the Iphone wouldnt be the iphone if it ran on android, and the x10 wouldnt be the x10 if it ran on the apple OS. We use the OS strengths to back up the hardwares weaknesses and vice versa. But its still not that simple, because if you swap the OS between phones you dont have the same results. I know I wouldnt own an X10 if it ran on iOS 4, And I wouldnt want the hardware faults of the Iphone even if it had android gingerbread! Which is why when you have a debate about hardware, the software is usually brought into the battle as well.

If you were here to offer your opinions, why DID you engage with the meaningless debate instead of stating that in the first place?
[XPERIA X10 General] rynoon:
Paranoia.

You didn't come here to discuss actual benefits of both devices. Half the things you said in your initial posts were lies. If you want to discuss real benefits, stop being a liar.

Weird. I thought Android was what the X10 was running. Is it Meego or something?

And again, your previous examples of this were full of lies and falsehoods.

Then leave. If you want to make things up and then complain when people bother you about it then perhaps the internet isn't the place for you.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
Unfortunately SE's lack of consideration for their customers has left their latest flagship device the X10 lagging behind the competition once again.

One thing I have been waiting for was the Adobe 10.1 flash player to come out. Since it's release in June I started looking at devices that offered at least 2.2 since 2.1 or older OS's are not compatible with the 10.1

But now with the new iphone which supports HTML5 I have started to learn more about their product.

I have never considered owning an Apple anything. However, the new Iphone 4G looks a great kit. I have since had an opportunity to actually test one a bit and I must say it is pretty impressive. The image is without a doubt the best I have ever seen on a hand held device. Yes I like the 4" screen of the X10m but the 3and a half inch display is still pretty sexy. I also enjoyed using multi touch which did make navigating web site fun, I did not find it that big of a deal. The Iphone I tested was much more responsive than the X10. Folder made organizing the apps a snap. The camera took great picture and Video looked incredible. Though the camera on the X10 is also pretty good, I found using the Iphone camera was quicker than the X10. The image quality on facetime was incredible, and for families living over seas, like mine, I can really appreciate the value of this. Though I tested this from my home network, I wonder if the quality will be as good using a public hotspot for those days I am traveling for work. Multi tasking was a completely different experience, the Iphone really delivered. It much considerably better than what I am used to on the X1 or X10.

The biggest high lights of my experience was watching streaming video's. I would have no problem leaving my laptop at home for short business trips. And, I can not say enough positive about the image quality, mind blowingly good. Hd really does deliver as promised(though it will be interesting to see what the X10 HD will look like (when ever that actually happens). The Iphone looks and feels great. I also tried to cover iphone antenna with both hands and I still did not find a lose of signal. And, facetime is the best video chat I have ever used.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
Rynoon, You are really getting off point. Please feel free to contact me via private message, I can reply there when ever I get bored. As for the thread I am placing you on ignore.
[XPERIA X10 General] rynoon:
Great. I'll just continue to point out the lies you make in this thread then, because I have absolutely no desire to discuss anything with you.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
You said "we" speak for yourself. Other people that share how you feel can speak for them selves.

As for hardware and software making the device, you are right on the money. Too bad SE hasn't maximized the potential of the X10 and Android. Because if they had I wouldn't be selling mine.

Update: You are now on ignore too.
[XPERIA X10 General] ddewbofh:
Ignoring people left and right doesn't lend to proper conversations which is a shame. Even when disagreeing about something people often find new ways to look at things and just shutting people's thoughts out is kind of narrow-minded.

The worst part, some would say, is that it tends to put people off and thus not take in anything you have to say regardless of validity.
[XPERIA X10 General] Tom-Helge:
And not only that, but he just blocks users here that he doesn't agree with.

He have me blocked because i pwned him in the face with my earlier posts. So he's pretty damn afraid to se my replies back to him because he's to afraid to just realize he's totally wrong.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
You have a valid point. But when discussion becomes debate and opinions descends into insults, what really is left that would be interesting in engaging those individuals? Half the comments for three individuals have little to nothing to do with the topic of the thread.

If my opinion is really so offensive that these three individuals feel the need to insult me for it, why wouldn't they simply put me on ignore?
[XPERIA X10 General] ddewbofh:
Pwned or not, it's kind like the classic "LALALA! I can't hear you!" schtick. It's immature when kids do it and just pathetic when grown-ups do it.
[XPERIA X10 General] ClintonH:
fm1776, you need to stop calling it a 4G it's not. Also you keep touting the whole it'll play flash. Well it will but only after you jailbreak it which voids you warranty. So by your own words compare out of the box specs and performance. ;) Regardless your obviously not in love with the X10 like some are any you'd rather try out the new Iphone, let use know what you think of it when you acctually try one. I'd like to see what your opinion is on the phone once you've used it for a few weeks, dropped signal and all see if it's all you built it up to be. :)
[XPERIA X10 General] rynoon:
So people who don't know any better know not to take the things you make up seriously?
[XPERIA X10 General] flash3036:
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dude you need to get a grip. don't you have anything better to do. you sound like a nut. you statements don't even make any sense.
[XPERIA X10 General] rynoon:
Welcome to the boards, guy who signed up 15 minutes ago to tell me that.

I wonder who you could be. :)
[XPERIA X10 General] realunited123:
Steve Jobs on behalf of fm1776 .. i bet he must have burst into tears when he saw someone who likes iPhone 4"G" lol
[XPERIA X10 General] loneLEE:
Lol. And this kid claims to be a father of a kid. What has this world come to, with such a childish freak as a parent??
[XPERIA X10 General] loneLEE:
Nope. We aren't insulting 1.6. We are insulting the fmKID. Lol
[XPERIA X10 General] loneLEE:
You forgot. His dumb research led him to conclude that iphone4 has 4G. Lol.
[XPERIA X10 General] Mano1982:
Completely agree :)
[XPERIA X10 General] nycko_h:
hello, I search on the Internet has long been a comparative x10 video and iphone 4 in action to know what is the combined the most practical and less tiring to watch videos in train or subway. someone one would be so kind to compare these two phones and post a video 16 / 9 in relation to the forum to compare the visibility of the screen in real time with the same video on both side by side? Thank you very much.

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[XPERIA X10 General] nycko_h:
comparative vidéo X10 and iphone 4

hello, I search on the Internet has long been a comparative x10 video and iphone 4 in action to know what is the combined the most practical and less tiring to watch videos in train or subway. someone one would be so kind to compare these two phones and post a video 16 / 9 in relation to the forum to compare the visibility of the screen in real time with the same video on both side by side? Thank you very much.
[XPERIA X10 General] foxhound494:
Love all you iPhone haters which come up with the stupidest crap...

The iPhone 4 puts pretty much all current mobile phone screens to shame and there is no denying it is a great screen.
[XPERIA X10 General] consolation:
As someone who actually uses both phones, let me tell you; iphone4 beats the pants of x10 in responsiveness, 3D performance, battery life and screen quality. The dropped call thing is not an issue except in extremely marginal coverage areas.

The iPhone is also a lot more expensive.... X10's real iOS competition is the 3GS, a phone with which it's much more comparable hardware and price wise.

Before you start crapping on iOS, it's totally delusional behaviour. Are you 10 years old or something? Android still lacks many basic features that ios has, compatibility with enterprise wpa networks comes to mind begin with. People who ***** about multitasking fail to realize that both os are very similar in their approach to it. It's just exposed differently to the coder/user.

I need to maintain my work's app on both platforms, it's really a matter of personal preference at this stage. Although, i do wish Google would be bit more selective about the quality of apps in the market. If people want to load crap they can sideload it and save the rest of us the hassle of trawling through the crap in the Google flea market.

You might also like to consider apple's treatment of their customers in comparison to the way we were treated by SE. This year was the first time the original iPhone did not get the latest firmware update. That's 3 years of consistent support for their oldest model, which got updates at the same time as their newest model. In contrast, we are hoping our 6 month old phones will soon get an update to an obsolete os that was out before our phones came out: and, we are begging se to even acknowledge a possibility of an upgrade to an os that is current, and will definitely be obsolete by the time se decide to maybe grace us with it. Anyone wants to make a bet on SE providing us with a current firmware in 2013? I didn't think so... Which company is doing right by their customers?

You might also want to read:

http://m.zdnet.com/blog/btl/the-dirty-little-secret-about-google-android/38260

Food for thought?

I hate it when android gets bashed on iPhone centric forums, but doing the reverse is equally stupid.

There's a lot of good in android, there's a lot of good in x10. But, get real...

Sent from my ZX81.
[XPERIA X10 General] tuxStyle:
Hehe...

iCrap haters :) you mean?

You know, some of us don't give a crap iPhone or Apple and their products.

I know i can take pictures or watch youtube on the beach in the summer while everyone else can't and is enough for me ;)

Thumbs up for Apple and yes, this means something but, they are as bad (or even worst than) as Microsoft, SE, Motorola and everyone else on the market in other compartments.

They market policy is crap.

If google needs to filter the apps more because they are too liberal, then Apple is leading in a communist dictatorial style.
[XPERIA X10 General] judgefargo:
nice comment mate!!
[XPERIA X10 General] tuxo87:
Dude, people cannot understand what you say unless they get a damn iphone in their hands.

It's just a waste of time... I got a SE X10 (obviously) and an old ipod touch, bought back in 2006-2007 i think. 3-4 years gone, and still my ipod touch screen is better than X10's. Navigating thru music is a lot faster too :)

I don't like iphone 4 and sincerely don't feel like swapping my X10 for an iphone but I can definitely say there's a huge difference between them... iphone is better, nothing else to say
[XPERIA X10 General] consolation:
Unfortunately, by the time the x10 camera starts up, decides to focus, then takes its sweet time to snap a photo - whatever it was you wanted to photograph is gone. X10, amazing camera for rocks and landscapes. I can snap a couple of photos on the iPhone by the time i get the first one out of my x10. I actually think that the x10 camera is pretty good, it's just damn slow. Fingers crossed the update fixes this. Put it this way, the HDR option on the iPhone that takes 3 exposures and merges them is faster then a single shot on x10.

As far as YouTube goes, you know they've gone html5 and there's no need to use the poky flash version?

Sent from my ZX81.
[XPERIA X10 General] nycko_h:
Please !

Higher on this forum, I have asked a simple question to compare the two phones screen for use of video playback on the go (movies). Nobody have (X10 and iphone4) to make me a little demonstration? On the internet there is absolutely all possible comparisons with the iPhone 4 but NEVER with the x10i.

All my films are on 16 / 9 and the vast majority of YouTube videos, is why I specify the format above.

I am aware that the iPhone has a 3.5 inch screen and this is not the 16 / 9 so black line top and bottom. I just wanted to compare the size of the image of the two phones with full screen of 4 inches of HE compared to 3 / 4 of the 3.5 inch screen iPhone for watching my films.

you tell me instead of buying a video player but NOT ....... I have to buy a phone and between all models of the market I have to choose between these two.