yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Off-topic] mercianary:
I used to like apple. The day I turned was when I brought home my iPod nano 2g and found that I couldn't put iPod Linux on it because they encrypted the firmware. Basterds!!

Its been a memory stick ever since...
[Off-topic] lufc:
i think the word Apple ,iphone , and the blo-dy ipad should be banned from XDA :)
[Off-topic] ritkit:
Mac Users Are

Even Google is correct.
[Off-topic] lufc:
Is she the President of Apple :)
[Off-topic] phatmanxxl:
I wonder if there is a "Why I hate Android" thread in Apple forums, Id like to see what they would say.
[Off-topic] yeoldgreat1:
They'd say

"I hate Android because it's not as polished as apple's products and is superior"

All with a smug look on their face.
[Off-topic] lufc:
At least we dont have to wrap our latest and best device in tape so you can get a signal so its up yo--s APPLE :)
[Off-topic] mercianary:
I tried to eat an apple just now.

A worm poked it head out of it and told me i had to install iTunes first.
[Off-topic] Lunie:
Overrated, however app store quality>android market. :\
[Off-topic] M_T_M:
This says it all....
[Off-topic] Willuknight:
You know how the iphone app store has "over 100,000" apps or some bull****, is there any sort of number of windows mobile apps that has been counted?
[Off-topic] rorytmeadows:
83 million

end story.
[Off-topic] faria:
Lol ,there is an app for that!:D
[Off-topic] rcgators:
Life was much easier when Apple and Blackberry were just Fruits.

Funny thing is, the Apple users who considered themselves non-conformists for years are now blind followers... mindlessly

conforming

to the marketing hype.
[Off-topic] hungry81:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q6KAg6qEGY&feature=related

People like this is what I dont like about apple.

Concensus Democratic concensus Democratic process Democracy Brutality you are on camera. OMG im such a ghandi.

and then starting at 803:

macbook, macbook charger Journal with errm journal stuff, waterbottles dey dont want they prob drink CORPERATE WATER, Another macbook and charger, dey dont want clothes dey wear SUITS LOLZ. Headphones and IPOD cause my apple products are totally not capatilist products in any way.... woo yeah apple!!! fight the power!!!!!!!!!

What a bunch of idiots.
[Off-topic] rorytmeadows:
Yeah I'm definitely agreeing with that one. These hippie liberals need to be beaten.
[Off-topic] [★]:
Cant everyone just stfu about iPhone, who cares who had what, just forget

it and appreciate the fact we can even afford phones!
[Off-topic] :
get out the wrong side of the bed Star lol :p
[Off-topic] [★]:
Well, I hate whiners
[Off-topic] Lunie:
Yup, straight fact that they are the top choice for smartphones.

But instead of hating apple you should probably take a look around the monopolizing factor of phones, PC's, and laptops. Really we are all falling into everyone's traps,(HTC, Android, Iphone) shouldn't you hate every product ever released instead of hating what people tell you to hate?

If apple does what it does then they are obviously doing something right. Hate the monopoly M$, Apple, top brands and all that media bullchocolate.

Yes there are idiots buying things ONLY because it is cool or because it's not apple. Destroy everything by not buying their phones, also winmo isn't exactly supported by anyone except the developers here. It may be underrated but it's definitely not a stable smartphone choice.

Iphone may be restrictive but it does exactly what it's suppose to, and it does it well. Even when jailbroken you get the benefits of pretty much everything with Spirit's jailbreak.

So screw Winmo for leaving their users in the dust and moving on to windows phone 7. They are leaving winmo 6 because it's not exactly the ideal phone for anything really. Even for business winmo is not 100% reliable. I just use it for texting and phone calls. Though i really do love my winmo phone it'll never be as stable or reliable as an android/iphone....but android...don't even get me started. (at least it's not winmo)

tl;dr = it is all bad!
[Off-topic] Willuknight:
It's not that I hate the iPhone because it's popular, I just cant stand the culture that apple have developed - control everything, give limited featuresets - and the stupid consumerist sheep that lap it up and constantly go on about how it is the best phone ever made. I hate people loving the fact that they are getting reamed up the backside by apple in terms of features and control and they don't even notice it. I hate the idea that the only apps you can have on a unjail broken iphone are all completely and utterly censored by the market place.

Windows Phone 7 looks like arse, Windows Mobile has always been arse straight out of the box, but once you spend some time to customize it, it's a very powerful platform with a lot of different configurations and WiMo6 even more so.
[Off-topic] mattyboy1013:
flash isnt just videos, its games! you have a good app store, but have fun finding a game thats good, free, and not a lite version
[Off-topic] Willuknight:
Also the question isn't "why do you need flash" the question is "why should it be up to someone else to decide whether or not you can have flash.
[Off-topic] hungry81:
I dont hate them because Im told to, I dislike them because From the very first Iphone apple has been about taking features that I like away, and that many reviewers seem to ignore this and fail to mention these missing features all the while talking only about the benefits. This dosen't happen with any other brand. The moment someone does mention the flaws of apple phones, you get people rushing to its defence, decrying it as being the best or perfect when it like winmo or android is flawed.

Why in an age where people are fighting censorship from other corperations do they welcome and encourage it from apple? Why when people claim to want choice, do they welcome products as uniform as apple? Why does apple get away with claiming it innovates when it releases features other phones have had for years? Why do people accept obvious lies from apple?

No I will not buy an apple product until there is a bit more objectivity about them. I am not a fanatic of any device or OS and I refuse to stop criticising apple because it makes some fanboi uncomfortable. I will judge apple on what they make and what they do. You should too.

(Oh and WP7 is being made because it has been shown apple can screw customers with a lack of basic features so M$ figures it can too. Big mistake.)
[Off-topic] chopper the dog:
It seems the mindless part of the thread has been lost. Way too much insight fullness going on.

TOOL.

good day.
[Off-topic] hungry81:
Sorry..... APPLE SUX WOOOOOOO YEAH!!!!
[Off-topic] simplyapplied:
It's really the smugness and arrogance of fanboys. And SJ. That's what bothers me the most.
[Off-topic] gullum:
Sure yes but thats not someone choosing for you really. If you know you wan't flash and need it you also know you don't need an iPhone. This is a problem when you want to have flash and iPhone.

I love my iMac, Macbook, iPhone and iPad. but no they are not perfect and do some verry few times crash while my Windows based pc's crashed way more often. I don't love or hate ether Apple or MS I just love Apple more for what I use them for.

But I (hate) don't like Apple for the blind followers just like I don't like Android, WM users that can't see that not everyone has same preference as they.
[G1 General] vixsandlee:
But, people like Cyanogen (and his team) spend hours working on the source code to imrpove it for users, everything they do is freely avalable and anyone can compile it, they just ask for donations.

Then you have another side of things where people spend hours hacking and mashing away at roms that were never meant to work on our devices, devoting hours to make them work and trying to get the best possible speed.

Then toy have the people who download a rom from elsewhere, change the build.prop, maybe theme it a little if they are bored, upload it elsewhere and say "Hey donate for my work on the rom" when the reality is its not their work, nor are they worth (most of the time) running.

I think people are complaining about people in the third group, not the first two.
[G1 General] dezvous:
I've been trying to figure out what all this craziness has been about in the dev forum. I literally only browse it for my own personal selfish reasons. To get the best roms and enjoy my G1.

At the end of the day Mghtyred is ultimately right. Regardless of stolen code or not, it's all free and open source. I could definitely understand how this could upset a lot of people, but that cracks me up. I'm going to go out on a really safe looking limb here and say that most people that frequent these forums are probably pirates and download stuff constantly. But when it comes to money in their own pockets then the situation change drastically. That kind of hypocrisy is disgusting.

Especially when it leads to someone getting booted over something ultimately so petty as far as the internet is concerned. Just a bunch of egos fighting over the spotlight. Which is ultimately pretty useless when in reality the vast majority of the people who actually use your roms don't care who made it, they just want the best one out there.

Isn't money always the downfall of everything? Unfortunately it looks like it's really starting to take it's toll on this community. I'm a very new Android user but since day one of coming to these forums I always knew something sinister was up but I just had no idea why.

Perusing most threads in the dev forum, especially on the first page of each thread, you end up seeing mostly character assassination attempts being made at the thread poster. "You didn't do this," "that isn't yours" but all those comments meant nothing to us new guys or the guys that only cared about the end product, the roms.

Basically what I'm saying is, internet, I love you but get over yourself.
[G1 General] d3v14n7:
I'm mostly a lurker, I don't post very much here, mostly due to the fact that I'm not an Android dev...

Having been member of various MOD communities since the late 90's, it's not just the donations/money that devs are worried about (though, donations/money IS a problem), it's all about bragging rights and "being known" or "popular" in the community. When someone spends any significant amount of time working on projects such as these, they want to be recognized within (and outside of) the community as the one(s) who brought the project to life... When someone downloads your work, makes a few insignificant changes and then releases it as his own work, the original dev(s) have the right to be angry... I'm not saying ALL devs are like this (many simply do not care to be known within the community, they just want to help), but many of them are.

I for one am thankful for all the hard work devs do, if it wasn't for them, we'd be stuck with the stock ROMs... Groups like Cyanogen's team are what a community should be, everyone putting their ideas/changes/fixes into 1 big pot to make the best ROMs possible, instead of having 20 different ROMs from various devs... Although yes, choice is good, it also limits the quality of the ROMs in question, if there was 3-4 core groups with 4-5 devs in each group all working together to bring excellent ROMs to the table, we'd be much better off.

It just seems that people don't get what a community is all about, it's to share ideas/code so we ALL benefit from it, devs and users alike.

Of course, this is just my humble opinion, different communities have different ideas/people who make these communities what they are.
[G1 General] Blackman778g:
Well, in my opinion Android is open-source.. Yes. But when people use skills that they have to improve on Android development for our older phone is just peachy.

The problem with King Klick is because he copied someone else's work while saying he made it. He did not give credit where it was due, he never finished a single ROM, basically he just downloaded a ROM, themed it and put his name on it.

Most people seem to think he is innocent as Android is open source, open source yes but, we have rights to those codes, then when people release their modified/hacked version its alright (open source affect). As I said above the problem begins when people take other people's work and label it as their own.
[G1 General] dezvous:
Really? Literally did nothing except rename it? Who's are they?
[G1 General] vixsandlee:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=7018713&postcount=45

md5sums from two different roms (one Kings) all he changed was the gapps and build.prop
[G1 General] macsbac:
So lets put this straight. First Jubeh the original ROM creator only compiled AOSP code to build a ROM. Jubeh had no problem with KingKlick using that ROM in the way he did. Thirdly KingKlick fixed the ROM so that it worked with the Mt3G and improved its speed. To say the renamed a zip is a regurgitation of a lie. The owner of the ROM made no complaints and a certain xda moderator had made up his mind before even contacting KingKlick. KingKlick did not copy anything from Cyanogen and team, the ROM had nothing to do with them. This is really about money and Firerat one of Cyanogens pet dogs admitted as much that his aim was to remove KingKlick from xda.

Maybe we should find out how much in donations Cyangen and co have received and whether or not if they are registered with the IRS as a non profit organisation.
[G1 General] macsbac:
Jubeh I don't think it is triva at all, what we actually have had here on xda is a vicious campaign to remove a developer from the xda community. Firerat as much as admitted it.

I have an mt3g and I use KingKlicks ROMs because they are the ones I prefer. Now Jubeh you say you don't give a rats arse about what KingKlick did and while I find it admirable KingKlick is still banned from xda and I cannot get his ROMs from this community.

If a group of developers have singled out another for exclusion then the next logical question is why? Despite an initial extremely public locking down of KingsKlicks threads and public condemnation without even contacting him asking for an explanation the moderators have gone all quiet not even mentioning the outcome. The fact that the initial reaction was infact a breach of their own rules and the clear insinuation about getting donations clearly shows what the real problem is. This forum should drop Android and go with the Apple platform instead though of course Steve Jobs would nip that in the butt. However this is about the spirit and ethos of Android which has been completely raped not just by a gang of developers but the moderators on this forum. What happened to being open, fair and inclusive?

Its around money and donations. Clearly these guys are not charities (and I have offered to donate to a developer who told me to give to a charity of his choice instead which I did) then they should be registered as non profit organisations. Where at least we can keep tabs on their tax returns to see what their turnover actually is.
[G1 General] lbcoder:
It would be interesting to find out how much rom-devs (also file movers) *actually get* from donations. I suspect that it is quite little -- certainly not enough to quit their day job. Even CM still keeps a day job, and I *suspect* that he probably gets WAY more in donations than anyone else.
[G1 General] macsbac:
I know KingKlick did not get enough to purchase a nexus one yet that seemed enough to try and ban him from the xda and hence the wider Android ROM development community. I wonder if cyanogen is found to be using somebody elses work without accreditation will he be banned?
[G1 General] dezvous:
So clearly this whole mess is a convoluted and hypocritical one, with egos being the main driving force behind it all. We've got developers and moderators and both want to throw their weight around.

Then there are worthless people like me. Fun times had by all.
[G1 General] lbcoder:
It isn't quite that.

There IS a question of INTEGRITY.... whether you make nothing, 1 cent, or 1000 dollars, misrepresenting someone else's work as your own is DISHONEST, and if you are someone liable to BE dishonest, is ripping off someone else's work the worst thing you are capable of?

So combine the dishonesty with an obvious sign that you are trying (not necessarily successfully) to profit off of someone else's work... well in the real world, that is called FRAUD and people go to PRISON for it (see "Conrad Black").
[G1 General] r3s-rt:
I thought we were mostly pissed because he only "deved" until he got enough money for a new phone, then just quit. When he needed the next new phone, here he comes again. Never really kept up with King and his shenanigans. Honestly, all his builds sucked to me. They all bootlooped if I didn't have apps2sd. Nty.

Yes, quit talking about the guy likes he's ****ing God. Excuse my french, but everyone acts like cyanogen fell from the sky on a golden comet from Mars. He's a great dev, no doubt, and I'm not bashing him. However, he is a human, you know that, right? If he ever stole source and claimed it as his, I'm sure the mods would do their job and the same thing would happen. However, that's not the case here and that argument of "if he did it i bet nothing would happen" should have died out in fourth third grade.
[G1 General] macsbac:
This is complete and utter nonsense, what you really mean to say he did not credit Jebah who originally compiled the ROM. A guy who did not care what KingKlick did with his ROM. If you want integrity then the integrity of the site and its moderators have lost all of it. The rules say its for the two conflicting parties to sort the issue out and if unsuccessful then bring it to the mods attention. Neither of the parties had a problem or bone of contention and in fact the issue was raised by cyanogen and his bunch of cronies of which they had nothing to do with it. Not only that then then escalated their campaign of online bullying even in several posts singling KingKlick out for what they even admit flaming, severe unpleasant language with the aim of removing him from the XDA community. The xda moderator who originally responded did so by locking threads without contacting KingKlick for his side of the story, breaching their own rules. If moderators can't follow the rules then how do they expect anyone else too. All donations to KingKlick where for his hard work as in XDA rules not for any particular ROM. You want to talk about honesty or integrity teamdouchebags are a vile group of developers trying to monopolise the ROM development community. As for XDA they very publicly locked down kings threads and made a serious of accusations against him. Though as of yet they have not even posted the outcome of their decision or the rationale behind it. They have yet to react to at least breaches of 3 rules by teamdouchebags displaying extreme bias. Its a severe abuse of their position and while within their rights it certainly lacks integrity, honesty or the openness that open source should be.
[G1 General] mghtyred:
A lot of interesting posts here, I'm enjoying this discussion. Glad I started it.
[G1 General] goldenarmZ:
You really got the wrong end of the stick and ran with it. Calm down. KingKlick is no loss to this community, we can all use winzip.
[G1 General] Blackman778g:
Are you King Klicks lawyer or are you his B****??

I like how you are trying to accuse other modders and developers of the same thing, besides that you act like the Jubeh ROM is the whole reason of this situation. THERE ARE TONS OF ROMs THAT HE USED. Don't try accusing other people of the same thing just because your fake developer friend. got caught.

Why are you even on here if you can't accept the truth? The moderator even said he pm'ed King to make a public announcement to clearify the situation. King Klick was acting dumb.

Can we just move on?
[G1 General] macsbac:
Strange that because the moderators are only questioning two ROMs. The only one they mention is that of Jebah's and he has made his position quite clear repeatedly. Yes many, many ROMs from most developers do not credit others and its not a problem unless the creator of the original ROM complains as per rule 12.

Really the truth

Again KingKlick was clearly locked a day before any moderator even PM'd and the moderator in question Mikey1022 clearly let his intentions be known before KingKlick was asked to explain, before Jebah made any complaint and then made some bogus allegations about donations as an excuse to break the forums own rules.

Despite KingKlick being forced to put a donation link into every signature as defined in xda rules. Effectively Mikey1022 is punishing KingKlick here for following xda rules.

Yet I want Mikey1022 to post a quote or link to where KingKlick called this ROM his own. Or where he asked for a donation for this ROM specifically. Somehow I think he will fail to respond to this post as the others when I asked the same questions.

Then the clear bias continues and the decision to ban KingKlick was pre-empted before any sort of truth was established. The main one being Jubah had no problem with KingKlick using his ROM and did not raise any concerns with an XDA moderator. As such no rule was broken and issue should have been dropped in lines with xda rules. Again who raised the complaint? nobody knows. For the extreme public castration of KingKlick Mikey1022 and his fellow mods have kept quiet, why have they not even told the community what KingKlicks punishment is or given any reason for it?

Do you think its a coincidence that this complaint was apparently raised when KingKlick refused to become butt buddies with cyanogen or be on "team douche". That cyanogen lost the bap with a post full of explicit language used in a direct insult in violation of xda rules. No public castration there though and I have to ask why? Then I can ask why some of cyanogens dogs of can admit to starting flame wars directed a KingKlick for a sustained period of time and yet this clear violation of rules led to no public castration. How further after 3 days of flaming and direct insults firerat even as good as admits his aim is to remove KingKlick from the xda community yet again no public castration there.

These people say KingKlicks ROMs are just renamed zips that's ok but as a 32b owner and constant ROM flasher why do KingKlicks roms always run better on my device than the others.

Its almost unbelievable that a forum I have been following for a while now can allow a group of developers to exclude another developer from an open source project. Its much more vile than anything KingKlick has been accused of. The moderators of this forum should be hanging their heads in shame.