yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[EVO 4G General] eagle63:
I fully admit that I'm no CPU expert, but the overwhelming consensus that I'm reading says that the this OMAP chip is far more powerful than the snapdragon, particularly in the graphics department. I'd love to have someone provide some details on why that's incorrect though, can you?

As for the 30FPS... A couple of points: First, the issue isn't really "fixed" yet. Will a well-tested, stable rom come out eventually with the 30fps cap removed? I'm sure it will. But when will that happen? The point is, I could have a Droid X and be rid of that thorn sooner rather than later.

Secondly, keep in mind that there are lots of us who are not interested in flashing ROMs. I did this all the time with my old windows mobile devices, and I have lots of respect for the devs here who create these fixes, but on a brand new phone I don't want to mess with that. If the phone was a couple years old, and the official updates from HTC are end-of-life'd, then sure I might take a crack at loading a custom ROM. But probably not before.

Edit: I should mention that I AM a relatively happy EVO owner, but I think it's reasonable to debate the pros and compare it to the "other" Android super-phone. Putting the carrier differences aside, the question is whether or not the hardware differences are worth making a switch.
[EVO 4G General] dekayte:
It seems to be a hard concept for many.

Like I said, if you think the 30FPS cap is a deal breaker then just get a Droid X. Just keep in mind that there is something wrong with the Droid X, if Motorola doesn't feel the need to change/fix it. What are you going to do? Dump the Droid X? Because we all know, every phone has/will have problems. Also, even new phones benefit from custom roms because most phones are aimed at the general public while most people who are a little more tech savvy (majority on XDA) don't care for certain things especially when they know it hurts performance in other areas. (IE: Sense, Blur, Sprint Apps, etc. etc.) If having a top of the line phone is important to you, like getting a Droid X over an EVO (which the Droid X is superior in some aspects, I don't think anyone will argue that) then why are you holding onto the phone for a couple years and only then using custom roms to improve it?
[EVO 4G General] eagle63:
I will definitely go read your links, thanks for that.

I'm not interested in always having the most advanced phone, it's more that I just bought the EVO and since another phone is going to be released within my 30-day return period, I should at the very least evaluate it and make sure I'm not missing out on something better. That's all. Obviously a lot of this debate is based on what's on paper. Once it's released we'll know how well it really performs, if there are any show-stopper flaws, etc, etc.
[EVO 4G General] engagedtosmile:
The same GPU that powers the Droid X, powers the 3GS. Seems a little dated to me. The hardware itself is comparable, only thing that is the biggest obstacle for the Evo is software and since we have some of the best devs working on this device, those obstacles will be removed.

This phone hasn't even been out for a month and look at the insane progression that the devs have done. Seriously. You won't find that on a Motorola phone.
[EVO 4G General] dekayte:
No problem, and sorry if I'm coming off a little rude in my comments by the way. I agree that it's good to debate the pros and cons but this is already the 12591259105215th thread on the subject. I think this type of thread is getting ridiculous especially when there is little to debate, because like you said all of it is coming from the sheets.

Yeah, you can return it during your 30-day return period but if you test out the Droid X and don't like it. Verizon charges $35 to cancel and I'm pretty sure there is a wait period before Sprint allows you to sign back up. So just hopping around isn't exactly an option for most.
[EVO 4G General] rutter9:
I don't care what phone you buy.

If you buy the droid go post in those threads. If you buy an evo post here.

If you don't know how to justify what phone to purchase maybe research things on your own instead of having everyone else holding your hand. :rolleyes:
[EVO 4G General] swaze:
Well if you care anything about the battery, you may want to check this out. In this thread this guy copped the X from ebay, and is doing a test by running it all day not alot of use, and is also joined by a guy doing the same thing with his D inc. Well you look at their stats and see if you don't get better battery.

http://androidforums.com/motorola-droid-x/109694-droid-x-my-hands-monday-4.html

scroll down to post #176

Droid X

Battery Update. 6h 11 min since upplugged 30% remaining

up time 6h 50min

74% disp

19% voice

5% cell standby

2% bluetooth

D Inc

I've been following your battery tests with my Incredible. I hardly used my Incredible today except for maybe 10 txts back and forth and 30 minutes of streaming Pandora.

Im at:

7 hours since unplugged, 30% battery remaining.

Cell Standby 35%

Phone Idle 28%

Android System 27%

Display 10%

Ok, these guys battery are down to 30% remaining, if i barely used my EVO after 7 hours im still in the 85%+ range. Good thing they have the proof right there too.
[EVO 4G General] bob13bob:
i thought 30fps was just a workaround now. not a a true fix.

16vs 24bit might not matter, but the screen is supposed to be better on droid x.

frequency does not matter in cpu speed, droid x cpu supposed to be significantly faster.

old motorolas did suck, but the droid is very solid build quality.
[EVO 4G General] TooSlo:
In all honesty, it sounds a though you already have your mind made up.

I don't mean to sound like a jerk here, but I almost don't believe you could have your mind changed at this point, but instead are just suffering from buyers remorse.

I went through something similar, but it was just questioning if there would be something newer or better. I just enjoy the phone I have now and keep learning about new technology and in a year or two I will have a new phone.
[EVO 4G General] muncheroo:
that's def abnormal for an incredible... probably have lots of **** running in the background.

and there are lots of evo users who have useless **** running in the background who are done by 7 hours too.
[EVO 4G General] dekayte:
If HTC released the source this could be fixed quickly. If they continue to hold out, one of the many developers will eventually fix it completely.

Like you said, I think I read in the other thread that the Droid X screen might technically be 24bit, it's only pushing out 18bit. And that the difference between 16bit and 18bit is small if at all noticeable. So what game changing difference between LCDs is there? (Cue Galaxy S lovers to rave about Super AMOLED)

Did you bother reading EarlyMon's post that I linked to? They're a good read, especially if you aren't actually as knowledgeable about CPUs like me.

Every phone is going to have problems. Maybe Motorola performs and miracle and releases a phone without as many QC issues but look at HTC or rather look at Apple. Apple prides itself on QC and good build quality and look at how the 4 came out. The way these new high end smart phones are made, it's just hard to come out with a near flawless product.
[EVO 4G General] ScandaLeX:
And while I cant agree with you more that all phones will have their pro/con(s) please keep in mind that for many of us, Android is a whole new walk in the park.

I think you've been answering the same question so many times that you've allowed that frustration to clearly manifest itself in your replies. If you're that angry the questions have been raised time and again, why even respond.

I am no stranger to this site or any other like it, but I am a stranger to Android and this is where I come to learn. No one needs to be beaten by veterans that forget they weren't born with an Android coming out their butt!
[EVO 4G General] igobyzach:
Umm... not really, unless you mean to say that it's crap then yes 'nuff said
[EVO 4G General] TKardinal:
Thank you all for your thoughts. I'm still undecided. It may come down to how much time I spend in the subway.

As an aside, personally I ignore these sorts of comments unless backed up with EXTREMELY compelling evidence. Every carrier has haters and fanboys to the point where such comments are useless.
[EVO 4G General] Jykinturah:
Agreed.

The only thing hold back the devs here is the kernel source release, as mentioned above and underlined. Even if HTC decided to violate GPL and withhold it indefinitely, devs are working hard to reverse engineer the kernel. Basically a reinstatement of underlined statement, mainly for emphasis.

Also, the italicized part is interesting, I read somewhere that the devs think that they can ramp up Evo's display to 24-bit. Not sure if it has been debunked or not.

Note that the devs are focusing on the 30FPS issue due to popular demand, and it will be fixed. The workaround proved that it is not a 'hardware' cap like HTC claimed it to be.

Just look. We have like three Froyo ports. Many other awesome custom ROMs. Hell, the Evo got rooted even before I could purchase one! I wonder if Motorola Droid-X will be so dev friendly?

If you just want the stock experience, be my guest. Get the Droid-x. Drop the extra cash monthly. I just think the Droid-x is more trouble than it is worth.

But as it was mentioned so many times before, it is your choice.
[EVO 4G General] kams01:
the EVO and Droid X specs are roughly the same. The implementation via software is different and hence the performance differences

where the EVO wins for me is of course 4G and front facing camera. not to mention the unlimited data for a lower price plan. hope this helps
[EVO 4G General] steb0ne:
Yeah, plus it's been written that the Droid X (along with other new Moto phones) would have an encrypted bootloader, which means not as much XDA love
[EVO 4G General] nebenezer:
ummmmmmm.... no

If you dont love the EVO then return it.

For the money you are shelling out for these devices you should be happy with your purchase.

If you are on the fence then it sounds like you should hop down on the Verizon side and give the Droid a try.
[EVO 4G General] geminye:
Not exactly the best advice because by "hopping down on the verizon side" that means he gives up the cheaper sprint plan for a more expensive verizon plan, has to shell out money for the new phone and what if he ends up not liking the Droid X even more than the EVO? Then he's either stuck with the DX for two years or he pays an ETF to get out of Verizon and then has to wait before he can sign back up with Sprint and purchase the EVO (or Epic) again.

I think it's perfectly acceptable to weigh the pros and cons before you just decide to jump ship for whatever shiny, new device is out just because you have a few issues with your current purchase. And the OP even admitted that he really likes the EVO anyway.
[EVO 4G General] dwertz:
How about the new release beta Froyo with Sense for the Evo

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=720682
[EVO 4G General] rockky:
Yeah.. but the good stuffs still broken..

Rumour is that Droid X'rs will be prompted to upgrade when powering up the first time.
[EVO 4G General] ntron1:
JUMP......JUMP.....JUMP you coward.......lol
[EVO 4G General] rockky:
Gotta say tho.... as someone poised to make the Droid X jump.. I , with a gulp, compared both this morning for the first time.... and must say I was pleased to walk away feeling damned good about my Evo. Yeah.... liked the system 'snappiness' and vid/cam quality. But.. not by much. Really liked Droids keyboard!... BEST I've ever seen.

But really liked Evo hardware better. For what its worth Evo speedtested 3G way better at Michigan ave store 5 times in a row (2M's avg to 1. 2M ).
[EVO 4G General] nebenezer:
Not exactly my point....

I think he would be STOOOOPID to switch but why should anyone care to "talk him down off the ledge"?

If he wants to make the mistake of returning one of the most amazing technological advances in history and shelling out more money then thats exactly what he should do.

If it's in any way a difficult decision then I would suggest he get his head examined but I decided to be a little nicer about it and simply suggest that he learn his lesson the hard way.
[EVO 4G General] engagedtosmile:
The Droid X doesn't have a keyboard. If you mean the soft keyboard, you can install that on your Evo. I'm confused.
[EVO 4G General] sablesurfer:
WHERE DID YOU TEST?

I have been looking around to see if any show up in stores, even just to mess with.
[EVO 4G General] im0rtalz:
I think you should go to the droidx. Then wait a couple weeks and make another thread asking for people to stop you from wanting a Samsung Galaxy S, and so and so on. The matter of the fact is there will always be something better around the corner.
[EVO 4G General] Albaholic:
+1 to this

Main reason I love the evo as much as I do is the community behind it. That should be reason enough for anyone (here at least)
[EVO 4G General] Aridon:
If the droid x's boot loader wasn't digitally signed I'd jump ship. Since it is no game. Root is going to be a ***** as well since you can't even pull all the /system files for whatever reason.

Don't expect much outside support. Especially with the galaxy s launching on every carrier over the next 2 months.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] eaglesuper:
Hi,

i don't have a android phone yet. But i'm still a little bit frightened about data security there.

I read this article:

hxxp://w ww.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/28/google_remote_android_application_install/

I think normally you should decide yourself what to uninstall and what not.

So my question is - would it be possible to prevent Google from Accessing your phone, means prevent them from Installing / Uninstalling Applications.

Cause i hate this. My phone is my phone and they aren't allowed to play the "admin"

Regards

eagle
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] mrpicolas:
fear not

If you read further into this they are talking about malicious apps and it is done for the malicious app or apps only they are actually protecting your phone from being crippled and it is done systewide for those that use the market
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] mercianary:
APK's installed from SD can't be touched by Google. Only ones installed from the market can be removed. AFAIK so far they have only removed malicious apps(so far), but Googles definition of malicious is different to mine.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] eaglesuper:
Hi,

thank you for your answers ! I know that they removed only a malicious app...but like mercianary already said: this time they only removed a malicious app ...

They could instead (of remote uninstall) just release a "fix" that you can download over the android market and this fix then cleans your mobile phone...

At least they can't remove stuff that you installed from SD ... this is good ...

But is there a way to modify the rom, so they won't have any access any more ?

Or can u disable this if you got root rights ?

Regards

eagle

P.S.

What else can google do with your phone ? What do they log ? :D
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] mercianary:
They take your soul. Piece by piece. Slowly over the years. Just like they do with every other product they give you for "free"

But that's another thread...
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] eaglesuper:
Sounds like humor but it's probably right :-/

The fact is ..:

I waited all time for Windows Phone 7. Thought that they would make it a good OS .. but now ... no Multitasking, ugly Menu ... it seems to me worse like the iOS (subjective opinion =) ) .

You don't have enough options/ settings and so on. It looks to me, like they try to copy Apple now, and they don't try to make it better =(

And now Android comes with tethering, Hotspot-Ability, a nice menu ... a "free" market , and so on.

Wouldn't i be afraid of Google i would choose it without hesitation.

You got any Pro Points for Win7 Phone ?

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[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] mercianary:
Don't get me started on Microsoft...
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Brut.all:
It's certainly possible to mod Market to disable this feature. Ofc you would need root to do this.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] mrpicolas:
well with custom roms and rom specific apps you shouldn't have to worry because essentially you are loading and update zip so i think you'll be OK there and they would be morons to start randomly messing with peoples phones
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] eaglesuper:
Hi,

nice answers =) I like you :D I already got some

New Questions :

- Are there already such modified ROMS ?

- If not - will there be some ?

- @mercianary why i shouldn't get you started on Microsoft? Start please :D

What is your Fav OS ? :D Are you scared of google, too ? :D
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] biker200:
hey

i need orange rom for warranty reason, its stuck on hboot.

i want to send it to htc but i rooted the device, and i want to flash the original rom.

anyone has a link? thanks.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dnlgee:
Nobody has a stock Orange UK ROM published anywhere that I've seen, sorry.

What's the issue?
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] biker200:
if i have another 1 with orange rom installed, can i make a dump to the rom?

if yes, can you give me a link to how to do it?

thanks.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shoey-n:
Can't you just put the generic one on ?

http://android.modaco.com/content/htc-desire-desire-modaco-com/308058/stock-htc-desire-roms/
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] biker200:
how can i send it to htc for repair? they will say i changed the software and they will charge me.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] saitrix:
Well I am trying to make a dump but I have got a bit stuck now with finding a compatible boot.img. I don't seem to be able to get any answers and I don't like the idea of just guessing!
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] doinbox:
Somebody plz help him he's our only hope at the moment for orange in rom
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] marcel112:
Even when you your, they still can see you rooted...so no warrenty, sorry
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shoey-n:
I think your only option is to try a generic ROM because that removes the root, the only thing is that it won't have the Orange mod.

If the process works then you should be able to re-root the phone and have everything working again anyway
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] doinbox:
If I flashed the orange rom it would remove the root.

So how would they know?
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] atomfix:
Just immerse it in water if its insured lol. Have another then :D
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rolfd:
How about flashing an old generic unrooted rom and see if you get offered an OTA update by orange?
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dnlgee:
Biker, what's wrong with the phone itself? Is there physical damage something?
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shazan:
Sorry mate you can't find the Orange Rom any place I have the same problem
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] santaros:
You should look at the modaco forum, but it is a french rom

http://android.modaco.com/content/htc-desire-desire-modaco-com/310003/orange-france-stock-system/

And it has English language
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] steve228uk:
Mine went in after I debranded to the stock ROM and I wasn't charged as it was a hardware fault. You could try your luck with it.
[General Questions and Answers] Hemant_B:
Hello,

I rooted my phone :HTC magic(Vodafone) from 1.6 to 1.5 (successfully, I used it for 2 days)

I wanted to resore it to 1.6

When I tried to update it using HTC-Radio update "ota-radio-2_22_19_26I.zip" from HTC Website.

I could installed it,however when I restarted the phone it is stuck on Vodafone Splash screen.... Itried following things :

1) I created the goldcard again and tried to reboot it in to fastboot mode ,but phone is not entering in to boot screen and again Vodafone Splash screen appers.

2)I tried with Power+Trackball combination as well,but it only thing happening is :Blue LED glows and screen is completely blank.

3)I tried to detect the phone from my pc using adb devices , fastboot devices commands, but phone is not detected :(

Can anybody help me out of this?

Is my HTC Magic Bicked/Brocken?

if yes then , can somebody tell me where can I repair it in USA ( I am in Dulles/Sterling VA , USA)

PPPLLLLLLLSSSSSS Help me.....
[General Questions and Answers] orb3000:
Welcome to forums

Try reading Wiki here

Also enter to Sapphire section, perhaps you can solve your probs there before thinking on send to repair.

Good luck,
[General Questions and Answers] Hemant_B:
Hi Orb,

Thanks for the reply...appriciate it...

I seen the wiki , but I can not see the possibility to boot the phone in fastboot or recovery mode :(
[XPERIA X10 Themes and Apps] slayp00n:
The app is completely gone, I cannot find it anywhere, I sitll have google voice search... Can anyone link the apk?
[HD2 General] humnahumna:
Saw this mini today so I took a pic with my HD2 and just thought i'd share :)
[HD2 General] Kalavere:
I saw the 'leet' number plate in Egypt last year, I had to take a pic. :D
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Osca:
Phone broke so I sent it off, has just returned. Not everything is loading off my memory stick.

It will load images, music etc.

But all the software on the start menu and that 3x3 grid doesn't appear at all.

Any solutions? Much appreciated. :)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kev007:
sounds like they did a factory reset when you shipped it off. you will most likely have to reinstall your applications but you also could try to navigate to them through the file explorer. if they still work when you open the .exe, you can copy and paste a shortcut under /windows/start menu/programs/ to get your shortcuts working again.

please tell me if i'm misunderstanding you, you didn't give us much information to work with :)
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] ThugEsquire:
If you've seen the videos showing the general UI theme of the Droid X, you may have noticed the super svelte red-on-black effect that the Droid X's theme employs. I'd love to port this to Incredible, but I don't know where to start. I think somebody already dumped the contents of the Droid X ROM, right? But then what's a good starting point for changing things inside the Incredible's /system/ folder?
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] SerialKilla:
I'd love to see this as well!
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] ejlax:
Droid X Framework File

UPDATED TO FIX TOO DARK OF BUTTONS

This is a quick framework-res.apk file that i pulled from the Droid X. it works on the DInc....

MAKE SURE TO MAKE A NANDROID BACKUP FIRST!!!

THIS WORKS ON MY PHONE AND I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR BREAKING YOUR PHONE

Using adb:

adb push framework-res.apk.droidx /sdcard/framework-res.apk

adb shell

cp /sdcard/framework-res.apk /system/framework/framework-res.apk

exit

adb reboot

and voila

http://www.mediafire.com/?c50mxzzzjwr NEW LINK!!! FIXED THE BUTTONS (They were too dark)

If i find the time, i will try and make a full theme from the DroidX dump. FYI, if you guys are familiar with KrazyKrivda and his Dark SE 24k for the Droid, he and I worked hand-in-hand to put that together.
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] 760hacker:
Has anyone tried this? Results?
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] Ffej5647:
Works well! I like it! Pretty interesting.
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] 760hacker:
do you need to be in recovery to do this or just connect the phone with usb debugging and do the adb push? should the file be in the root of the SD Card?
[Droid Incredible Themes and Apps] Ffej5647:
Yes root of sd is fine. Then mount system then adb push does not have to be in recovery.
[myTouch 3G Slide Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Amdathlonuk:
Hi,

I'm currently in the US and would love to buy an MT3G for the wife, it's a really nice phone.

However will it work fully in the UK without issues? :confused: