yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[G1 General] Firerat:
actually, kings rants have been deleted by mods in the past

I suggested that Vega's Legend was much more stable to someone who was having some issues with kings Legend

I patch, it is clear I'm adding to something

King took someone else's rom, added some crap and called it his own

and then denied it, lol

I don't know about stooping, but to me it looks like he is crawling on his belly right now.
[G1 General] Firerat:
well, d/l counter was on zero

maybe I was one of the first few to be downloading

and 'his' is not the same as his
[G1 General] mdneilson:
This form of lying, there are rules for. And Karma and God (if you believe in either) use various means to reach an end. Including MODs. (PS. Karma is about the next life, not this one)

Semantics. A runner in a race may be .02 seconds behind the winner, so what?
[G1 General] mdneilson:
Agreed

+1
[G1 General] jon6206:
Read the rules no there is absolutely not! I dont care when King gets whats due him in this life or the next my point was that if theres no rule for it then its a moral issue that no MAN has the right to judge.

Dont say you're first if you're second .02 seconds late is still 2nd place try selling semantec line to the US Olympic Mens Hockey Team!
[G1 General] vortec87:
no to sound like a jerk but your arguments have no relevance to this thread, your initial statements maybe but beyond that you have not been too productive.
[G1 General] mdneilson:
There is a rule saying to cite if you use other's scripts, builds, etc.

The US Men's (and Women's) Hockey team's fate was unfortunate. I care more about NCAA hockey anyway. (Screw Major Juniors)

But his point was more that he was a first to DL, who cares if he was THE first. It is possible that you were DLing at the same time too :D Getting worked up over it is pointless.
[G1 General] sleepy3194:
+1

10 Chars
[G1 General] Firerat:
:)

well, it doesn't matter, not really

been a nice chat, personally I think your a little miss guided, but hey, each to their own.

if anyone is interested I did post a script some way up in this thread

why not take a look at the incremental changes King makes to his roms, might make you think about just how many hours he slaved over them, ;)

go on, what do you have to lose :)
[G1 General] jon6206:
you're right im starting to get too defensive. :o
[G1 General] mdneilson:
Thank you. A lot of this thread has been pointless banter (I admit to have contributed some). The exception being that I'm clarifying my view, and not just debating tiny details and semantics.

Edit: I feel like I'm being rude here, so I apologize.
[G1 General] mdneilson:
You earn respect from me by being able to recognize when you're getting too worked up. :) +1 to you, my comrade.
[G1 General] jon6206:
I dont care who got it first all i know is 4shared told me it was dl'd 0 times when i clicked it. Im just not gonna let him lie in the same post he's condemning King for doing so. Principles man. And i've said from the start that King should have given credit to other devs in that thread like he has in many other threads but my reply was to firerats comment about King lying about doing the work himself not not giving credit for it. had rats statement been about King not giving credit then we wouldnt be having this discussion. K?
[G1 General] mdneilson:
I get the whole calling the kettle black issue. I just think it is getting a bit nitpicky. That is all I was trying to get at, not trying to pick a fight. :D
[G1 General] vortec87:
i didnt mean to single you out jon6206 there were more people than just you that were getting "off topic" so to speak ;) however i did not want to quote 20+ posts , and yours was the most recent, again nothing personal just business. now back on topic please, whether you like it or not King has disobeyed the rules of XDA according to the mods. this means discipline of some sort maybe we can come to a RATIONAL conclusion that will be to everyones best interests, King has his good points and his bad, and though not everyone likes or uses his roms he has contributed quite a bit to the community, therefore i propose:

1. New guide lines on donations links (because that does seem to be an issue)

2. Kings threads, that are not under review, be unlocked

3. Kings threads, that are under review, be checked for items that break the rules and then be deleted OR King should be forced to adjust them to spec.

4. if item 3 is necessary King apologizes publicly for his missteps and we all should let bygones be bygones

this is my two cents as you all have been stating, let the MODS know that this is the conclusion i have reached that would appease me if anyone else has any constructive thoughts please add them in a productive manner

Sorry for the long post but this is an important matter and should not be taken as lightly as some may think

Edit: for grammar and spelling ;)
[G1 General] mdneilson:
Agreed. My Input:

1. Yes. I don't like donation links in signatures like others, but I'm not fully opposed to them either.

2. Yep.

3/4. I'm having troubles with this one. It feels too much like a slap on the wrist to just let him edit and say 'oops', and a full ban is way too much. Deleting them is pointless too, since he can just rebrand re-release them while following the rules. I can't think of anything better than a public apology.
[G1 General] jon6206:
Agreed! 100% thats exactly how this should be handled fair for everybody and hopefully we can avoid these kinds of issues in the future. Also the people who started and contributed to the flame war on his thread maybe not punished but at least warned it seems the Mod or Mods definitely overlooked that
[G1 General] he3:
::grabs popcorn::

IMHO, never seen firerat have an ego or self-promote.

His explanation did bullet point "facts" in the most clear and comprehensive post I've seen since the fiasco started last night.

If you have proof of him self-promoting, please link it. I doubt it exists though.

Note: I'm not trying to be fire rats butt buddy, I could care less, no offense, just principle.
[G1 General] vortec87:
right 3&4 might be too open ended, but as you said yourself you cant think of anything much better then a public apology, but in the end its for the overall forum to decide what happens, if Kings image is so negatively impacted by this incident then that will be his punishment, an apology might be his one redeeming factor.
[G1 General] mdneilson:
I just don't know if a simple "sorry ppl" is adequate for someone clearly trying to pass something that is not all theirs as 100% original. This issue really just grinds my gears.

I'd say a reminder that flaming isn't tolerated, unless the flaming was extreme, would be sufficient.
[G1 General] mejorguille:
Guys, what's wrong with all of us?

This is a community and we are all trying to make a better rom. I respect Cyanogen, teamdouche, firerat and everyone else for making me love my phone. King probably regrets having posted that rom now, but whats's done is done. The problem is that we have the whole community picking a side a tearing each other apart.

We have proof that King took Jubeh's work as was posted by firerat. I don't know how MD5's really work but from what I've read its impossible to have them the same if created on a different computer. This should not have happened, but it shouldn't matter. King has contributed before and has helped out the community. Isn't the point of this site to make things better? How about we just put the whole thing behind us? Let's see if he has changed, he posted this 0.2 update to his froyo rom.

I remember a while back I used a script, I think it was by stericson. I don't remember what it was for, but what I do remember that it said in big letters "XDA", and right underneath it said "where anything is possible". That made stop and think and say "wow, thats pretty neat". Wouldn't the best be for all of us to shake hands and be friends again? Let's take a more nonchalant approach to all the drama.
[G1 General] mdneilson:
You know, you're right. Lets all just let the mods handle it and move on.
[G1 General] jon6206:
I disagree and heres why. I dont think the mods handled it justly in the first place. (though i do recognize your absolute right to do so as its your site and your decisions) I dont believe all of Kings threads should have been locked, only the ones in question. If it was that important then the mods should take their time and investigate each thread and close them 1 by 1 depending on their legitimacy. (I do understand how difficult this task would be though necessary) I for one would like to be sure that this process is handled fairly for ALL devs involved. So I think its in the entire communities interest that as many members and mods who care give their fair and unbiased opinions as any decision the mods make is going to affect for better or worse the community as a whole and not just KingKlick, Cyanogen, Jubeh, Chris, or any other dev who believes his work was ripped off.
[G1 General] garok89:
...it has just occurred to me why some of my MD5SUMs matched Jubeh/King build...

i tested the zips where i had already added the xbin folder someone sent me...which just so happens to be the xbin folder from Jubeh's.....

my fault for not renaming zips in a way that i could tell the difference....

every other MD5 from my compiled builds are different.....

and now i feel like a bloody idiot for testing the wrong files in the first place and making myself look like a tool

anyway........
[G1 General] mdneilson:
I'm not saying that everything I said prior is null. I still think that a few rules may needs changing (depending on community consensus), and that punishment should be applied according to current rules. But I don't think that a bunch of people who aren't really involved getting all worked up solves anything. Nor does the initial response by the Mods, but it is they who have control. So now that our opinions are posted, I'm prepared to shake hands and be on my way.
[G1 General] jon6206:
Virtual handshake received and reciprocated. Now I'm off to give Defcons CM6 compilation a try... Goodnight!
[G1 General] samaral:
At the end of the day, what did we actually achieve here? after all this.

Absolutely nothing productive. :)

I dont think Erik (Kingklick) even bothered to care. If he does have a bit of pride and integrity in what he have "created" or modified he would have already said something to at least defend himself. But so far...

nothing substantial.

Lets just move on, shall we?
[G1 General] legend221:
If this was your work being stolen you would be more mad than Al Gore once he found out about the massage lady calling him a dog in heat a few years ago.

I'm guessing that after his threads getting terminated at least for now we are safe from the android piped piper, hahaha.

Other websites careful the jig is up on xda and now its your turn until someone smart enough figures out this KingThief a.k.a. KingKlik because he clicks on your zip files and promotes them as his own.

And the worst thing of all he has a donation link on his sig, complete and utter FAIL at being a respectable member of xda.

XDA Developers is the best damn forum and innovate source of development from hard working quality people from all over the world and for this mockery to go on is beyond offensive.
[G1 General] goldenarmZ:
lol.. 12 pages of this juvenile nonsense to reach the same conclusion I reached months ago:

KingKlick never did anything useful and his build environment is WinRAR.

Can we all stop bleating at each other now please?
[G1 General] garok89:
erm...yea....right....

kingklick is hardly of the standard of any member of teamdouche

furthermore, im sure cyanogen would rather eat vomit than have kingklick as a member

kingklick was never asked to join TD, he just insulted them - that's all

it looks to me like you dont know all the stuff that has been going on behind the scenes such as how cyanogen and others caught him out a while ago
[G1 General] macsbac:
He was certainly asked to contribute to CM6 on github by defconoi and he had every right to tell them to bog off. The verbal onslaught from cyanogen and the group flaming that occurred was not only unjustified but against the forum rules. Especially considering the developer of the ROM in question is pretty much ok with KingKlick using his ROM and did not make any complaint. Its like a gang of bulling children ganging up on one on an issue that has nothing to do with them. If KingKlicks work was so bad he would have been ignored.
[G1 General] goldenarmZ:
You clearly missed the sarcasm there.. Everyone has known for a long time that KingKlick's development skills don't extend beyond ctrl+c and ctrl+v. defconoi was calling him out.

As I see it, this has little to do with King stealing a rom from jubeh on this occasion. It's more to do with the ridiculous notion among newer members that he is some kind of awesome super-dev deserving of adulation and cash donations, when all he has ever done is copy files from one zip to another. A more humble person would admit that they haven't really done anything and they're just posting a collection of precompiled files and other people's work, but King loves the perpetuate the idea that he's a talented "developer" and constantly feeds his own hype machine - it is this that riles the cyanogen camp, and rightly so.

Tbh I don't care if he broke the xda rules and I don't care for this big drama around it, I just think he's a talentless fool consumed by his own hype. Let him post roms if he wants to, but save your donations for the people doing the real work.
[G1 General] ionic7:
...This is getting old people are die hard for king and people are die hard against him, nothing will come of you guys arguing back and forth. I have used kings rom and i am currently using cyanogen, i do agree that king got caught copying roms but this is not the action that needs to be taken. Sitting here bashing king/cyan will not accomplish anything, if king even cared he would have posted by now just let it die.
[G1 General] deuse:
OK..let him finish the roms that he started and got cash for?

Think of the people that payed good money and are now left hi and dry because he can't\won't finish them.

How do you think he got some of the cash for Nexus 1?

He brought out a rom and got back a lot of cash and then thought hmmmm

maybe I should release loads more roms and get more cash..AND HE DID but never finished them.

Firerat has done patches for his roms because he could not do it

and what did Firerat get for it? a slaging off on twitter.
[G1 General] mastermind777:
Mommy and daddy are fighting again...
[G1 General] nonsane:
It should be public as it's a Buyer Beware issue.

If you don't like it, don't download it, don't donate. And now that you have this information hopefully you can make better formed decisions in the future(checking md5's, or verifying with others)

almost all downloads stemming from this site are worthy of a disclaimer one way or another.

I personally would like to see money returned, but a donation is a donation.
[G1 General] :
Funny part is wtf is this going to change? Yea, it's mostly copypasta, but people will never care. You unlock his threads and people will use his ROMs and donate. And he kinda does shove it down your throat. The first line is always asking for a donation and its huge and in red. That's about as close as you can get to shoving "it down your throat" on the internet. I have a few more things I'd like to say, but my finger got caught in a metal-bladed fan and its hard to type...

Simply: It's the blackdroid thing all over. People are still gonna use it and people and still gonna donate.
[G1 General] geokuttan:
Lets force all the devs and users who put their donate link to redirect to some charity...like food for poor kids or something....:cool: and add some counter on how many donations given...that way devs might feel that they are changing something...:) finally some good tasty froyo!!!
[G1 General] lbcoder:
I actually find the donation requests to be quite offensive. Especially in the cases where the so-called "developer" doesn't provide anything ***SUBSTANTIAL***. And by "substantial", I mean CM-esque, where you can actually go into the GIT and see all the changes *actually* made to the source.

I find it EXTREMELY offensive and in the WORST taste for anyone to request donations on anything where they DO NOT provide the FULL SOURCE or at least FULL EXPLANATION about how to reproduce.... especially given the fact that this is all based off an open source project!

One of the ways that you can identify a LEGITIMATE developer is that he does NOT ask for donations. This fact implies that they develop out of PASSION rather than an overinflated sense of entitlement.

Fact: AOSP is ***FREE*** and is MUCH more substantial than the work of ANY COMBINATION of community developers. As such, it is unfathomable that anyone could possibly expect payment for their minuscule contribution.
[G1 General] jon6206:
WOW that is an awesome idea! Unfortunately highly unlikely

Yes there are few developers out there who actually do deserve the donations like the CM team as the time and care they've put into each release could be spent on more self fulfilling tasks. As they say time is money and i'm sure Cyans wife would prefer that time spent with her.
[G1 General] pzumk:
Oh wth.. 11 sites. [EDIT]14[/EDIT]

Ban him and close this thread.

He'll create a new account and will stop copying.
[G1 General] shawn1224:
IMO, it's everybodys pride that's screwin' up xda.

There is no right or wrong side in this whole debacle. Every one of you have played your part to a tee to create this huge clusterfuck.
[G1 General] JCrooz:
YAYY, DELICIOUS CLUSTERFUCKS FOR ALL!! :D

(OT: He's a WITCH, BURN 'IM!)
[G1 General] legend221:
The only reason the devs that have gotten thier Roms stolen are not complaining is because they are taking the high road.

Innovators like Cyanogen for example broke the mold for Android and continues to do so constantly, kingklik should not even be considered in the same category as him.

Why Rom ripoffs are being defended is unbelievable.
[G1 General] :
@KiNgKLicK92 - Shut up. xD
[G1 General] Firerat:
lol

You can't even fix a broken quote

Care to share the source for the sapphire bins you patched in for v2?

lol

Admit it, you did not compile your froyo v0.1 or v0.2

And to only credit the update script, disgusting

Shame on you king

Go spend hours making the next htc ota init.rc, they may need it for froyo
[G1 General] Firerat:
sorry, king obviously can't defend its self

owww, poor king

rofl
[G1 General] Firerat:
oww, bless

he was always going to upgrade the update script credit to full credit

twit by king the twit
[G1 General] Firerat:
one way or the other, I do to
[G1 General] the1gladiator:
this is one of those times that make you wanna say F XDA and all these ***** ass fly by night followers. phony ass MF's that can barely ****ing flash a rom or diagnose they head out their @ss jump on a band wagon to smash on someone.

1) These Roms don't belong to ANYONE who calls themselves a dev, not even the almight cyanogen. Its all the INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY of such outfits as Google, HTC, Sony, Motorola, etc. Under GNU because linux is at its core we call this open source. technically all we have a right to under open source is the kernel.

2) Is king the most dedicated dev to a single ROM no, but who cares. No one makes us use kings rom or even root our phones for that fact. If you dumb whack *****es are mad he asks for a donation don't donate. if you don't donate SHUT UP. its pointless.

3) all you pointless airheads that are saying "king is wrong" WHERE TF are your roms? not a one of you whack r'tards have one out there but will smash on this dude. if you think Cyanogens Roms are better, NO ONE FORCES you to flash his. If you see his thread skip on by.

4) WTF is XDA doing closing his threads do to some cockspanks drinking some HATA rade. I hear this started with firerat. F firerat for such a ***** move if thats true. I got your No A2SD script and that was fire but making ***** moves, thats foul.

5) and to that rat MF talking about this is like plaigirism in college, WTF. are you serious? this is ntohing close. if king is stealing then all will know and we will laff at him and no one will use his roms and he will be talked about. but this is what i know, his slide rom is ****ING FIRE. the only SENSE based rom that works and i can get calls one without bull**** renice scripts or task killers or auto memory managers.

for the ones that decided they were gonna bash this dude cuz everyone else was, grow some nutz. kick a man when he down? most of you prolly got / STILL GET the shyt beat outta you and this is your forum to feel big.

and we wonder why iphone keeps selling TONS of phones even though android is supposed to be so great. its the old divide and conquer theory. unite and be one, don't keep finding reasons to hate. makes me want to go out and get an HD2 right after downing some patron...
[G1 General] the1gladiator:
are yall smoking crystal meth? how the F*CK do you think this will bring the community together? Bash one for the hell of it???? KIng should walk away and take his Slide Rom with him
[G1 General] Firerat:
he said it

and lol at the slide rom
[G1 General] Firerat:
that made me laugh

honesty , it did
[G1 General] Mikey:
Desicion has been made and King will be informed by tomorrow night, the latest.

Thread locked
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sundar_amn:
Hi, i gone thru the changelog of many ROM's here and i tough i better ask it in the forum. Is there any ROM available which includes the 30 fps frame rate and the wifi 'n' fix?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] muncheroo:
you tough wrong mofo... wrong forum but here's a quick answer

any rom with the latest ota update will have have wifi

no rom has 30fps fix baked in yet... you have to flash the custom kernel from ffolkes' thread
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sundar_amn:
thanks. but watch your language.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MrDSL:
he didnt cuss..maybe you're too sensitive for a mature message board.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Fadakar:
Lol seriously, he helped you when you were at fault, and you still try to put him at blame.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mongoose8p:
watch your language are you kidding>
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] saf100792:
Yea seriously i think he was joking when he said mofo lol
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] GHOST99K:
jump in TOAST'S GOD MODE KERNEL u mofo!! lol j/k kiddo:D
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mrono:
when he said that i figured the first post had been edited by a mod to remove the language lmao
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sundar_amn:
Alright people. got my answer and learned a lesson.. sorry and thanks...

i am serious about buying the EVO but when i checked it at spring store, its not as fluid as the iphone .. thought that the 30fps could be the issue and not sure if HTC is going to do anything about it.. anyways, i am buying it. A second android phone after G1.. excited..
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ncwildcat:
Has anybody tried 1.7 yet? Wondering if Facebook sync works - seems like this doesn't work on any roms I have tried yet...
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Boomh4u3r:
Don't believe you can sync Facebook in Jager 1.7
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eleazar123:
I can confirm it does not support syncing Facebook contacts. It also doesn't support live wallpapers. I just learned that a few minutes ago. Not a big deal to me, but I know for some that is a deal breaker.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stroupified:
ya, there's no HTC facebook option, and i can't select the regular facbook. i would just use his sense rom for facebook, plus it has hydras undervold kernel and wireless N included.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kr4zy10:
anyone been able to get titanium backup to work with this rom, for some reason app wont open then fc's after a bit
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eleazar:
I've had no issues running titanium backup on jager 1.7. You might wast to try reinstalling it.