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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] sancho1234:
Sometimes the system freezes. Occurred about 5 times I had to re-install the Android system, because components have been lost after the boot.

It is possible that the Froyo not yet stable enough?

(I install the Froyo to NAND. I use the system-froyo-15-07-10_15.tgz and tried the system-froyo-unodex-15-07-10_16.tgz also. I use the 1.71.09.01 Radio ROM and kaisimg-panel2-320-tilt-froyo-07-07-10.nbh kernel.)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] sancho1234:
Somebody tried the kaisimg-panel2-320-tilt-froyo-15-07-10.nbh already?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] mad89:
Could anyone explain in details me this power options, because I don't understand at all?

# pm.sleep_mode - The mode used when the phone is off
0=Power Collapse Suspend
1=Power Collapse
2=Apps Sleep
3=Slow Clock and Wait for Interrupt
4=Wait for Interrupt

P.S. New bulid "system-froyo-15-07-10_15.tgz" i working much slower than preview "system-froyo-odex-eu-nojit-11-07-10_20.tgz" (this old actually is working fine)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] urban69:
When using gps i've noticed crash, kernel works, wifi works (it responds to ping), leds are blinking, adb works, but dalvik has crashed, here is the output of adb logcat: http://wklej.org/id/365055/

For me this doen't say much, but maybe it could help to get better the kaiser build ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] n2rjt:
After great success and stability with nojit-11-07-10_10 and a kernel k-k posted, I find 15-07-10_15 and dzo's latest kernel to be less stable and slower for me. Running with Haret, ready to go back to previous version.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] sancho1234:
On my devices are replaced with some function keys.

Examples:

- I pressed the "Fn+W", I see the "@", but the sign on the button the is "!".

- I pressed the "Fn+Q", I see the "!", but the sign on the button is the "@".

How can I set the fine keyboard layout to HTC Kaiser (TyTN II) over Froyo 2.2?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] sancho1234:
It does not work the getting location function with mobile networks. The GPS is okay, but the GSM cell determination is not working. My operator (T-Mobile HU) is support it.

Any idea?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] cutthr0at:
use any hex editor, edit kaisimg.nbh and change keyboard type at offset 13B6

board-kaiser-keypad.atttilt=1 to 0
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] sancho1234:
Okay, thank you!

Edit: I tried it! Cool! :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] sancho1234:
HTC Kaiser QWERTY problem solved

>> kaisimg-panel2-320-froyo-07-07-10.nbh

board-kaiser-keypad.atttilt=1 to 0

(This is a TyTN II version, pls. do not use for Tilt!)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] bigmouth:
Froyo and Tethering

Bump. Only thing holding me back from flashing my Tilt to NAND is this and networkless driving directions (wonder how google navigation will mature)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] bigmouth:
GSM triangulation for position

+1 for me. TMobile affiliate (iWireless), and it works just fine in WinMo...

Sean
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] garringm:
There is another thread on this board that guy has wifi tethering working go check it out. He is supposed to be coming out with an update.tar for other builds

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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] ALIEN_:
I've managed to get wifi working I just kept reinstalling and it worked on about the 3rd install.

Anyone get HTC Sync to work? If so what version? I've tried latest version but no luck.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Bayton:
Camera force quit

Hi there,

Is it possible, somehow, to get the default camera working without the constant force quit?

I didn't see this as something which wasn't working, otherwise I would have stuck with Donut!

Any help appreciated!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] sancho1234:
Where do I found the Market Enabler for this build?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Bayton:
+1 on this also, it works fine on Myn's Warm Donut build, it should work better on Froyo, not worse!

Camera is also important, help please!

Finally, how do I remove the gallery app that's preinstalled and reinstall a normal one, I don't want fancy 3d stuff, just something that displays my photos as the gallery app in donut did.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] ggoogle:
Somebody help me with the Terminal in kaiser

When I use the up keypad to load previous command at the Terminal, it always show ^[[A... I have tried some version of BetterTerminal, but no luck.

I remember when I used Donut build, this function was ok.:(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] zenity:
To remove a preinstalled app from a build you will probably have to remove it from the androidinstall.tar itself, and then reinstall.

(hint: 7zip allows you to add and delete files within a tar file)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Bayton:
I know there is a code to write into the terminal which will also remove the app, just don't know what it is...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] zenity:
You could open terminal,

type the following commands:

su

rwsystem

cd /system/app ( may be /data/app don't have a donut installer handy to check )

ls *.apk

rm xxxxxxxx.apk ( not certain which apk it is ).

rwsystem

exit

exit

This should remove the required apk file, you may have to do a fix permissions, and clear dalvik cache from install menu, just to be safe :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] n2rjt:
Not a function of the terminal emulator as much as of the shell.

The default shell doesn't have line editing, but bash does.

type "bash" as the first command, or change the default shell.

I don't know my way around android yet, so can't tell you where or how to do that.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] ggoogle:
Yes, typing bash works! Thank you. :)I will look for how to change default shell.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] OndalfStardust:
About this part, after hexing that file for kaiser, I also found it sends parameter for kernel for battery size and that could cause wrong readings. This particular kernel sends 2700 by default for board-kaiser-battery.battery_capacity:

static int battery_capacity = KAISER_BATTERY_RATING;
module_param(battery_capacity, int, 0644);
MODULE_PARM_DESC(battery_capacity, "Estimated battery capacity in mAh");

and how it uses that parameter in code:

i2c_write(DS2746_CURRENT_ACCUM_MSB, 1L*battery_capacity*KAISER_RSNS*((5*b->batt_vol)/3-5000)/62500);

So i assume also hexediting that into your battery rating should make battery bar show right values. Atleast mine died when i saw first time "15% left, please connect charger" and next thing i saw was boot and dying there. Now corrected 1350 instead of 2700. I'll post results if it helped for my problem... Seems kallt_kaffe is using bigger battery :)

Learned today: module parameter. Thanks for ali1234 @ #htc-linux

Now /sys/module/board_kaiser_battery/parameters/battery_capacity shows 1350.

-Ondalf
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] xmercury:
Sleep of Death

So ever since switching to Froyo I've been getting the Sleep of Death.

I'm installed on NAND, both system and data. I've tried all the latest kernels (both panel 2 & 3) and several 1.71.xx and 1.65.xx radios, yet it still happens. It happens at random times, sometimes I can go for hours without it happening and others it happens within minutes. Sometimes the screen goes white when I hit the power button, but most of the time the screen just stays off.

Anyone got any solutions?

-merc
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] samjam:
No solutions yet, but you are not alone.

Sam
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Bayton:
Excellent!! Once I've removed a system APK, can I just install another system APK as per normal, or would it have to be done via shell?

Also, would I be able to install the gallery and camera from my Donut build in the first place? It's just another APK I guess, but I'm just trying to cover all bases.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] zenity:
My usual method of customising a build like this is to edit the install.tar, and reinstall, it's a bit more involved.

However the fast and nasty version is this, get 7zip, install it, copy your favourite build to a work folder, ( don't mess with the original, for obvious reasons), then work on the copy.

Simply right click on the file and open with 7zip, and have a good look through the filesystem, in particular /system/apps.

you can delete files by right clicking on them and using the context menu.

Ok thats the easy part, the hard part is getting the apk's you want into the system, and it's really not that hard, just use 7zip to unpack the build you wish to take an apk from, and once unpacked you can drag and drop files from the unpacked build directly into the tar file you have open in 7zip.

After that you just have to reinstall using the 'new' tar file.

Of course this may not work properly, the app may not work in the build you are using, however my usual customisations don't do much more than removing stuff I know I won't use, or adding ringtones etc, so your pretty much out there on your own, which is where all the great builders started :)

Remember that using parts of one flavour of android may not work in other flavours, that is donut stuff may or may not work in eclair etc, but this is where the fun begins, just keep an SD with a clean build handy ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Bayton:
Thank you Zen :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] ggoogle:
How to enable EDGE network but not GPRS? My kaiser always shows G...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] cnigro1279:
Same here....

Getting random crashes and lockups usually when in sleep.....Put Kaiser in pocket.......wait 30 mins.......retrieve from pocket....white screen.....Nothing that removing the battery doesnt fix but still a bit annoying..Still better than Winmo but I'm hoping a new release might make it more stable. I am also having the same battery problems but am having a hard time writing a different parameter for battery_capacity in terminal....constantly getting write failed...Any ideas?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Philux:
Could anyone with some experience compare this build with Myns Donut? I tried the Eclair builds, but they are to laggy for me for everyday use. I was just wondering how Froyo stacked up against the other builds running via Nand on the Kaiser?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] sancho1234:
Bad experience

I'm using for more than two weeks the Froyo Android build on my HTC Kaiser. Accumulated some experience, I now share with you.

Device info:

Used applications: http://www.appbrain.com/user/sanchomuzax/apps-on-the-european-vogue

When I restart my machine, this can sometimes forget things.

As if that delete or clear the Davlik cache. I initially thought that the cause of the error the cache cleaner application.

Held down button (on qwerty for example "a" -> "á") does not work sometimes.

The "explorer" button is not working (right now), so I can not easily leave the home screen. I should reinstall the entire system.

Since I re-installed the system four-five times over the past three days, so I have no Froyo version I used. I'll wait the new Froyo version, hoping to be more stable.

The Titanium Backup software that is only partially help to restore the broken things.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] samjam:
Try restarting the phone - it may make the things come back - it does for me!

I had that too, and had to re-install the whole system to get it back

Every few days have to re-install the whole system.

It's getting less and less but I have to un-install and then re-install applications as they start to fail and FC all the time. A re-install fixes it. So I'm guessing it is file system problems which might also be why the phone seems to forget things and then remember them again. (It matches the way a flash file system works depending which un-erased revision is mounted).

I think it is a hardware control problem affecting the file system.

Lately I tried to wake my phone - the screen painted with the unlock screen but the touch-sensitive did nothing - I couldn't drag-unlock the phone. The screen faded to black and stayed black. If I held the power button down, the phone buzzed - as if it were showing the power-off screen but of course I couldn't see where to click.

A reset (push the stylus down the reset hole) did NOT fix things - I then had the MCM errors and so forth and could not mount the flash card (and if I let it continue to boot it spent forever at the boot animation) so I had to remove the battery and then it boots (with icons missing) so I reboot and get the missing icons back.

So I think it is kernel problems not froyo problems.

I'm using system and data on NAND, I wonder if I move data to SD (perhaps as an image file) and so write less to NAND if it will be more stable - but if I do that then I am afraid that I might be unable to mount the SD from USB.

Sam
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] sancho1234:
I thank you for your experiences, which can help with troubleshooting for me.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Bayton:
I have the same issue with the device forgetting things, this never happened with Donut so I have no idea why it would with Froyo.. though Donut's data was installed on my SD EXT partition, not on the NAND - will that make a difference?

My camera still won't work. Is there a dev update that'll put this right?

Thanks!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] zenity:
Should make no difference where data is installed, in fact installing both in nand would be less likely to cause problems.

As far as I am aware we're back to square one with camera, (i.e. not working), just as we were on eclair for all those months.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Bayton:
Would you happen to know why Froyo "forgets" things after a reboot then? Is it just a random glitch?

How is it possible that the camera wouldn't work on a later port than the earlier one? I thought once you have the technology, it'd work from then on! :(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] zenity:
Not certain why a build would 'forget' things, unless theres a script that cleans up stuff at first boot that has not been told not to run on every subsequent boot.

However if the camera did work in froyo, then perhaps it's a kernel issue, an update that broke a lib compatibility or maybe it's just that build?

Not been keeping up with froyo development as much as I should, so can anyone confirm a working camera in any froyo build we've had so far?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Bayton:
Sorry Zen,

I meant it worked fine (along with 3G/WIFI location!!) in Donut. I thought if it was done in Donut, then it should be able to work in newer versions (froyo) as you're just building on an existing framework, aren't you...?

I haven't seen camera working in any Froyo that I've found..

Thinking of going back to Donut, if it wasn't for the sheer awesomeness of Froyo in comparison, lol.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] zenity:
Yes camera works in donut, an in eclair too now, you tried an eclair build? To be perfectly honest I have always preferred eclair, and now that camera works it's in much the same state as donut regarding functionality.

Froyo will almost certainly get working camera, at some point, but it took months with eclair, may take as long with froyo.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] scooter1556:
Camera works on Froyo like it does in eclair, plenty of FC's still but the basic functionality is there. Camera stopped working in eclair with newer kernels because of changes that were made for Froyo which allowed you to gain 11mb of RAM over donut etc... This has been fixed in a recompiled camera lib (RLS2) for eclair over on the vogue forum.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] mnjm9b:
yes, camera works fine for me too on froyo.

I am using my own froyo and kernel built from dzo's repo.

installed to nand.

yes there are seperate cameras for eclair. 1st one that only works with "older" (non-froyo) zImage.

and a newer one that "should" be compatable for both newer and older zImages.

the newer(froyo) zImages allow for extra memory. and can be used with eclair but it broke the camera unless you update to new camera.

as far as I have seen the camera that comes with dzo's froyo works great with any kernel. (camera update is for eclair only...not froyo)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] samjam:
My Froyo camera works fine (except manual focus is hard work on a low-res screen, and movie FC's)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] samjam:
I think it is down to the nature of flash-file-systems which are log-based, and the fact that old files still remain until the space is re-used.

It seems to me that an earlier check-point is being mounted - perhaps only after an unclean unmount. Rebooting causes the missing things (home screen icons in my case) to re-appear, which suggests that the mount occurred at a more recent checkpoint than a the previous boot.

I think this yaffs relates to the fact that I sometimes have to de-install and re-install applications - which seems to have a cascading effect.

Works for me apart from movies.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] kangi26:
App failures

I've been running the latest Froyo for the past couple of weeks. It's been pretty stable for the most part, at least no major issues. Until yesterday; For some reason most of my apps are crashing and are having to be Forced close. The apps are:

XDA

Facebook

MSN Talk

Jewels

Weather Forecast(The same one used on Myn's Donut home screen)

Pandora

Weather Forecast Widget

I did get Weather Forecast to work again, but I had to uninstall it and reinstall it again, losing any settings I previously had

These seem to work fine:

Rouge Tools

Speed Test

Solitaire

GPS test

AP Mobile

Any thoughts?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] samjam:
I find that if it was a pre-installed app that I usually have no problems - but I did with Jewels. I just deleted app data for Jewels and it was fine again. For installed apps, I have to de-install and re-install.

Sam
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] kangi26:
I don't see any issues with the pre instaled, and not all of the "after market" apps do it either. I'd say roughly 50% of the Market Apps are having issues.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] DoraMia:
Froyo Video

I wonder if anyone can watch streaming video on their Kaiser? I can hear the Audio, but not see the video in mpegs. Youtube videos will not play at all. Anyone found a work-around?:(:(:(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] samjam:
I shall try and get periodic binary dumps of the yaffs file system (at at least of the files) and look for corruptions over time.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Joe1981AL:
OMG, so how did I not know about this before now... Sit here and played with it to find the volume wheel now does focus in the camera
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] mnjm9b:
I got phone pairing working fine.... but do I need a special music player to play music with bluetooth?

any attempt to play any music or media files only play through the phone speaker and not through bluetooth...

this isn't a big deal for me but I just wondered being that people are saying it works...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] mca1:
i only install vogue thread "injubus froyo rls 11" and no problem on my kaiser .

why cant find this rls in kaiser topic?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] sancho1234:
Froyo 2.2 [2010-07-26]

Oh, next release? Anybody try it?

system-froyo-26-07-10_16.tar http://sourceforge.net/projects/androidhtc/

kaisimg-panel2-320-tilt-froyo-26-07-10.nbh http://it029000.massey.ac.nz/vogue/files/?C=M;O=D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] sancho1234:
Problem with Froyo build

I have found an evidence that is damaged the data.img memory after reboot.

I tried a backup process in the Linux boot menu. At the end of backup I saw the following message:

WTF! :) I can not backup the Froyo, and I think the latest builds (06/07 and 26/07) are not too stable after the reboot.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] zenity:
The mke2fs error is the main error, since if it cannot make or mount an image file the rest of the process will fail.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] sancho1234:
I just noticed this error with Froyo kernel & build.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] LoveMyPhone:
Is anyone else finding it impossible to get the data connection working? I've checked my settings, radio version, etc. I've also built the latest kernel. I made sure wifi/radio/bluetooth were on in WM. I made sure that data works in WM (with the apn settings I'm using). And I've googled for hours. I'm using an unbranded Kaiser 130, Hard SPL 3.34 with Android installed to a partitioned 8 GB SDHC card. If anyone could help out that would be great. :)

P.S. I did my very best to figure out if it was appropriate to put this here. It looks like others comment here on whether or not things work for them so my apologies if I'm wrong. Sorry for being mostly a newbie...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] XaberTheBlade:
The 3g is simply not working for me either. I have no issues with wifi, camera is perfect, everything is golden and the 3g was working perfectly. . .just recently however, there simply is no 3g, even 3g apps can't find a way to connect to it. . .i needs my 3g!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] dasaint:
i had similar issues with the 3g not working, i first edited the settings and removed the gunk

removing the proxy settings and the port really does the trick tho...

i would suggest starting there. mine didn't work at all then after removing and a couple of reboots it started working.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] sancho1234:
After I change the APN from 'internet' to 'wnw', the 3G can connect.

My provider (as T-Mobile HU) is provide the 'internet', but some Android builds are support the 'wnw' to APN.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] zenity:
Starting to wonder if this is a Froyo problem, there is a similar problem in ext partition handling on G1 also, at the moment apps2sd on froyo/cm6 builds does not work for ext2/3 partitions, this may be a similar issue.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] sancho1234:
Okay, thank you.

I found a solution to the Froyo, it remember the settings after a reboot. I install the data.img to Ext2, not NAND. I reboot many times, no more data loss.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] LoveMyPhone:
Hello again.

I tried the couple of suggestions above. A little bit more info: I'm on iPhone data plan (which the AT&T rep says won't work with another phone but it does under WM 6.1).

I'm starting to think that the possibilities are:

AT&T Sucks I didn't compile my kernel zImage correctly

There's something wrong with the kernel source

There's some really really simple thing I've missed

What other information should I post to aide anyone who will help?

If this isn't the place to be looking for assistance with this please tell me where I should take it... I don't want to be a nuisance :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] XaberTheBlade:
It just started up and working again. . . I can't explain it. btw, LoveMyPhone, ur rep should be kicked in the cods for bs'ing you like that. Hurts my feelings, really.