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[EVO 4G General] rockdrummersrock:
A year ago if I'd seen the EVO and the EPIC side by side I would have said hands down I want the epic simply because of the physical keyboard. The EVO has changed me though and there a few reasons why, despite the epic certainly looking like a good phone, I will keep my Evo for sure.

My last phone was an HTC Touch Pro with physical keyboard, **** touch screen, etc. good phone, when I moved up to the EVO I was worried the lack of keyboard would make typing hellish and I would end up hating the phone. The truth is I love not having a physical keyboard any more. The simplicity of having a slab as large as the Evo with a huge on screen keyboard thats easy to type on (even with my large thumbs) is great. I arguably have better speed and correctness in 1 month than I did with almost a year on my TP.

The Super AMOLED screen on the Epic will be nice but I've seen them in sunlight and they are absolute garbage. The Evo's screen is just fine in just about any condition so for me the Evo wins out on usability (yes I know the specs on AMOLEDS and how awesome they look but its not like the Evo has a BAD screen so this point is somewhat moot)

The major complaints from people tend to be battery life and the camera not being so great. Oddly enough I have not had a problem with either of these qualities and in fact they have worked near perfect for me.

My opinion really boils down to this. A physical keyboard is nice and the Epic has many specs that make it a very sexy phone. However I do not feel like lower MP on the camera (again because the evo seems to work great for me, maybe I just have low standards but coming from 3.2 anything looks good) a smaller screen by .3 does not seem like much but oh well. I already have this phone, I have enjoyed using it and I have had samsungs (family has had several) and htc's and personally HTC's build quality in almost every example has been far superior as has the hardware. Samsung might be changing it but for the time being I'm sticking with my Evo. (may change if another phone that looks like a serious player comes out with a keyboard)
[EVO 4G General] donatom3:
Here is that chart I was looking at that really details the cpu differences.

http://alienbabeltech.com/main/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Cellphonehardwarecompari1.png

As it shows the cpu of the hummingbird isn't any faster. Also the Snapdragon uses a DSP to offload basic tasks from the processor.
[EVO 4G General] Pops_G:
One thing that has disappointed me about the EVO is the inability to connect a Bluetooth controller like the WiiMote. For some reason, HTC devices are the only ones that do not support it.

I really want to be able to run and enjoy emulators. For me the EPIC would be the better choice now, the physical keyboard will be very good for playing games, and it shouldn't have issues connecting a WiiMote(Hopefully a PS3 controller in the future).

I will miss the EVO. I think its a much better looking phone, and I love the kickstand. Although one thing that bothers me about the kickstand is HTC Sense doesn't do landscape. I would leave my phone propped up in landscape all the time if it wasn't for that.
[EVO 4G General] donatom3:
I guess we're all missing the bigger picture here. Great thing about Android is you have choice. For me I want a solid one piece phone. I like hardware keyboards, but don't like having to slide open to type, the extra thickness it usually adds, but most of all how it makes the phone feel a bit less solid. Some people can only type with hardware keyboards, so it's great. They can have what they want, I can have what I want and we can all share the same apps.
[EVO 4G General] Pops_G:
For anyone who cares about benchmarks. I understand this has little to no impact on a lot of you. Here are the 3D benchmarks for most of the current phones.

http://www.glbenchmark.com/result.jsp
[EVO 4G General] JUST2SUAVE:
I heard Samsung sucks compared to htc
[EVO 4G General] JUST2SUAVE:
So what are you using now for the two months?
[EVO 4G General] cawu:
I think they already have released date out to be July 11th?

I read it on phandroid I think or BGR. Not sure (I would not use my set date as the real date, it's just from what I vaguely recalled.)
[EVO 4G General] Plancy:
http://www.androidcentral.com/sprin...ids-more-4g-and-changes-nextel-direct-connect

Samsung Epic is not mentioned anywhere.

It has been stated that a release date and price will be announced in the "coming months", so I think it will be a while.
[EVO 4G General] ap3604:
You read my mind Pops_G :)

Since Sense UI blocks the wiimote from connecting it kills a lot of the functionality of the Evo as a gaming device. Pretty sad to me since I LOVE the kickstand idea but a physical keyboard might do the trick..

As for landscape mode, use LauncherPro. Its fast, has landscape mode like you want, and has the great option of hiding the status bar at the top so you dont get screen burn :)
[EVO 4G General] engagedtosmile:
I would like it more if it wasn't a Samsung.

I think the Evo looks better. The sensor in the Evo isn't terrible, iPhone 4 takes decent photos and they are relatively the same size. I don't know how big the sensor is in the Epic 4G. TouchWiz is ugly but from what I have read is that it's already been rooted so meh.

A lot of the problems people have with the phone are software related. Once HTC releases source, the Evo will be a beast. If having a hard keyboard is worth that much of a hassle for you, go for it.
[EVO 4G General] cosine83:
Samsung has a penchant for making great equipment. They also have a horrible, horrible track record of actually supporting their products after launch. After having an Instinct and a Moment, I will never go back to Samsung. Their support is crap, their release schedules for software updates is even crappier, and they just don't seem to care. I'll definitely be sticking with my Evo.
[EVO 4G General] donatom3:
The Evo's Pixels in the camera are 1.4 µms the ones in the iPhone 4 are 1.7 µms. Point and Shoots are usually around 1.8 to 2.5 µm. The sensor size has gotten alot closer to point and shoot. Also the Evo is using the same backlit sensor technology that the iphone is using.
[EVO 4G General] Plancy:
Is less microns good or bad when it comes to cameras?
[EVO 4G General] donatom3:
The higher the better. Let me fix my unit of measure it's this

µm

The Apple one is 1.75 my bad. Yes at this size that makes a difference. Basically the bigger each pixel the more light it can capture. What I'm trying to say here, is that the Evo's sensor has gotten close to the realm of point and shoot.
[EVO 4G General] Plancy:
But you said PaS realm is 1.8 to 2.5, and the the Evo you say is 1.4. soooo it's actually worse than the Iphones
[EVO 4G General] donatom3:
Yes but not by much.

It's still a 1/3.2" sensor. My bad on the Point and Shoot. Point and shoots are 1/3.5" to 1/1.5" format. So yes the Evo's sensor is a bigger format than the low end of the point and shoot realm.

EVO sensor

http://www.ovt.com/products/sensor.php?id=69

iPhone 4 Sensor

http://www.ovt.com/products/sensor.php?id=93

Notice the similarity?

http://www.chipworks.com/htc-evo-teardown.aspx
[EVO 4G General] ap3604:
Pretty crazy to me that nearly 40 PERCENT (almost half) of the voters are thinking of returning an Evo for the Epic :eek:
[EVO 4G General] thorpe24:
i am for only a couple reasons,

1. from what i've read the evos gpu isn't even being fully utilized, correct me if i'm wrong on this

2. the 30 fps cap have a 0002, don't know what panel, pretty sure it's the novatek

3. the lack of wii-mote/ps3 controller functionality. i really really wanted this, and i'm not even sure if it can be fixed by the amazing devs at xda. so the physical keyboard

4. that screen does look pretty sick, and on the camera i mainly run froyo so yeah..... i can't get the good 2.1 roms to work, DC and Fresh

5. the evo really is just a smidgen to big for one handed portrait use for me just barely, i manage but yeah...

reasons why i want to keep my evo

1. it's sexier end of story, plus kickstand

2. bigger screen, people say it's only .3 of an inch but when your using something that has a screen size of 5 inches or less every tenth of an inch counts. even in comparison shots it just looks more bezely, and i like that my evo has minimal bezel.

3. did i mention it's sexy

4. xda, you guys are the ****, no if's and's or buts, the ****.

5. really really holding out for the info on the charging case for the evo.
[EVO 4G General] jayv1717:
So is their really no way to get a bluetooth controller working???
[EVO 4G General] thorpe24:
i have done some research (googling), and it has to do with the bluetooth stack htc uses for their phones. i'm sure someone else has more info on it but no probably not. i mean i run froyo on mine and still no dice, though i could be doing it wrong.
[EVO 4G General] ap3604:
This is the main reason holding me back from getting the Evo. It really stinks that with such a good gaming option (big screen + kickstand) that HTC would screw it up by blocking bluetooth controllers. Gaming on this phone is officially dead :(
[EVO 4G General] jayv1717:
it does suck..but i've been playing some of the gameloft games and snes/gba emulators and the touch screen controls aren't that bad just takes a learning curve..it's no where near as good as having a controller but it's not the end of the world in my opinion
[EVO 4G General] thorpe24:
i just wish someone had a definitive answer as to whether or not it can be fixed, or hacked.

this alone makes me think of getting the capacitive.
[EVO 4G General] masbirdies:
I had my share of Samsung with the Moment....

If you think HTC is unresponsive, Samsung was way worse with the Moment. That phone was pushed to the market much too soon.

The HTC development community here on XDA is light years above the Samsung. I think great things are on the horizon with the EVO and I'm willing to stay with it. As a Sprint Premiere customer, I get an upgrade every year. I'm pretty sure I can live with the EVO for a year if I lived with the Moment for 6 months.
[EVO 4G General] zone23:
I don't want to play the phone game. I'm not going to try and trade in my phone every 30 days because another one is on the horizon. You have to just make a informed decision and jump in. You will never be ahead of the cell phone game.

With that said if you want a phone with a hardware keyboard then its definitely the way to go. If you have already committed to a software keyboard and like it then I don't see any real advantages. Yes I read that the processor is smaller and faster I don't care. When I'm ready to get another phone in 11 months it will be faster than any phone available today.
[EVO 4G General] Pops_G:
By the end of tomorrow I will make my choice. I really like the EVO but I would like to game on it and there are the details listed previously that would impact my experience.

One large issue that makes me hesitant to jump ship is the display. I had the HTC Incredible which uses a AMOLED screen. The issue with AMOLED screens right now is that Samsung for some unknown reasons uses the PenTile matrix. Its horrible. They found a way to cheat and use 1 green diode for every 2 pixels. The result is text with jagged edges. I saw it with my own 2 eyes. It isn't the end of the world though, the screen still looks awesome. If only Samsung didn't cut that corner, it would be hands down the best screen technology by far.

AMOLED:

+Best colors

+Fastest Refresh

+Lowest power usage

-Text is not as sharp
[EVO 4G General] zone23:
I think you should get them both, problem solved. Ya not really, I personally don't like how the Samsung looks. Plus it doesn't have a kick stand. :)
[EVO 4G General] barbiedollish:
My thoughts exactly. I had an Instinct and a Moment and I must say Samsung is ass. They make half baked hardware and release it with half baked software that they rarely fix and when they do fix it, it'll be months down the line. The dev support for Samsung devices is not as good as HTC's. I noticed someone brought up SDX, which has some really talented developers, but it is fairly small. On top of that, it took quite some time to root the Moment and then MONTHS to get a custom ROM. The Moment did not get a custom ROM until like March, I believe, when Caulkin joined the community. MARCH and it was released in NOVEMBER. I'm not saying things can't or won't be different with the Galaxy S series but I'm not willing to take that chance.
[EVO 4G General] chrsosnds:
I had an Instinct myself and it was crap. I switched from an Instinct to a G1 and haven't looked back at Samsung phones since. I've enjoyed every HTC phone I've ever owned including the EVO despite some of the problems.
[EVO 4G General] brownhornet:
Samsung? PASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
[EVO 4G General] Supermighty:
I kept wondering why I couldn't find any images that didn't have any banding in them. Then I find out the EVO only has a 65k screen. WTF is htc thinking. This is terrible. I've heard the "you can't really tell" argument. Tell that to the smooth gradients in wallpaper I downloaded.

Long story short, I don't see any other thing to do but switch to the Samsung Epic. I'll miss that 0.3"

(though I could try to get out of my sprint contract and switch to the droid x)
[EVO 4G General] Sebrina:
If I recall correctly the G1 was also plagued with battery issues. If you like bad build quality phones stick with HTC, they've crippled two of my phones now after the Evo they won't get me again. Besides the screen is just too good and the muscle behind it is even better Hummingbird puts out the Snapdragon's fire and the GPU, lol don't even make me laugh.
[EVO 4G General] Vertig0:
I returned my Evo as of yesterday and I'm waiting for the epic. I wanted to get a replacement but my local sprint store (Huntington NY) told me I might have to wait up to a month to get a replacement... so I told them no thanks...
[EVO 4G General] theseteeth:
I was thinking about it being i miss the physical keyboard of my G1 so much, but its just too sexy >_<

I went in last Friday to talk about a replacement because there was dust under my screen and the bottom of my screen was lifting up a bit, and the guy at the spint store was like lol kay, ill order it, it should be here by tuesday :) painless, so i think ill keep it, ill be happy with this phone for a year or 2.
[EVO 4G General] bluehaze:
Epic looks like a cheap iPhone knockoff, one of those you get from China for $29.99, if they stuck more to a standard Android OS I might consider it just for the screen and GPU but all in all the EVO has a much better UI with Sense, Looks way cooler (get comments on it all the time), will have much better battery life without the battery hogging GPU (I don't really play games anyways) and is just all in all a much nicer sleeker device. Plus you can actually see it in the sun, I love the amoled screens when your in a dimly lit room but they are terrible out in the sunlight to the point you can't even dial a phone number in the sunlight so no thanks to that technology.

Not to even mention we will have Froyo in a couple weeks or so on our EVO's and the Epic will be lucky to see it before next year given Samsung's track record.

No thanks, me thinks alot of people will be disappointed with their Epic's in the long run(most people are usually disappointed with Samsung phones in the logn run), but I wish them the best of luck anyways!

Cheers

Edit: Just to add if I was going to switch for something it would be for Droid X but I think it will suffer from some of the same problems as Epic being that the UI is so terrible on it compared to Sense however I think with the Droid X you will have much better support than with the Epic so if your looking at switching I would recommend giving the Droid X a look see before the Epic, I think you will be much happier in the end.
[EVO 4G General] cnstarz:
before you guys start rooting for the epic, you should perhaps ask the owners of the moment, spica, and galaxy how they feel about their constant data and gps lockups, and samsung's complete lack of support when it comes to fixing those things.

i had my moment since december or january. it's because of sdx-developers.com that i still have it, and unfortunately, they can't fix the rild because samsung wont let us have the source, despite the fact that the moment's EOL is july 24th or 27th. i will never buy another samsung phone.
[EVO 4G General] Supermighty:
I know there is no perfect phone. I just feel like I was sold the world and it turned out to be a movie set instead.

The fps, and 65k color screen, are a slap in the face for what is supposed to be their flagship phone. They took a step backwards when they should have at least kept the status quo.
[EVO 4G General] Complex757:
I remember when the Moment was released, no thanks. Samsung doesn't have the same quality and support.

And I hate Amolded, because of how it looks in sunlight. You can't brag about how great your phone is when you can't even show it to people outside.

Sent from Evo
[EVO 4G General] ap3604:
I always wait at least 1-2 months after a phone is released before I get it to make sure it doesn't have any major problems that would cause me to dislike the phone. The Nexus One, Evo, iPhone 4, and Droid Incredible have all had problems and the Epic will be no different...
[EVO 4G General] robotnoize:
I would want the Samsung just cause of the super amoled. Can't believe HTC just switched it up to that washed out looking screen. My cousin is bummed that my nexus looks so much better than his.
[EVO 4G General] Supermighty:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58gZzqvqhRk

The Super Amoled is supposed to be better in the sun, but they all seem pretty poor to me.

I do get a feeling that Samsung is pulling out all the stops for this one. Hopefully it will be better than the past.
[EVO 4G General] Zexell:
Just when I got my evo all setup the way I want it, I hear about this epic. At first, I say to myself, no way it'll top the evo.

Then I see it has a few million more colors on the screen then the evo, and using a much better technology screen, a 45nm processor and it has a GPU thats above the ps2 and gamecube.

The big dealbreaker for the evo is the 65,000 color screen on an outdated TFT screen.

I know alot of you will say "They chose it because of better outdoor visibility", when

1. TFT is the earliest of the lcd screens and no matter how you put it, its nowhere near the best, its outdated and

2. clearly you were misinformed htc didnt choose the tft because of outdoor visibility. Samsung pulled the plug on a 4.3" AMOLED for HTC and HTC just cut a corner. Not only did they cut a corner but they cheaped out by going with a 65,000 color screen. Put something gradient or glowing on your screen and you will see the banding is outrageous. It bugs the crap outta me.

Also having h263 codec instead of h264 is really something to think about. At first I thought it was a typo in the software. I have this device that can take 8MP pictures, record 720P and my options are outdated h263 non-widescreen codec or MPEG4???

Why does our powerful and sexy evo have these outdated things??? HTC failed to deliver it all.

The things to think about for the epic are -

Nowhere near the support from devs/samsung as HTC (even though it's being released on all carriers and the userbase will be much more than the evo but in the end, if samsung doesnt want us tinkering with it, then it will lack tweaking/modding/customizing. This factor alone is a huge one.

I dont know yet but I've got till the 10th to decide.
[EVO 4G General] notown775:
so 3 months after the "epic" comes out, will there be a similar post stating, so and so is coming out with a better phone b? are you gonna keep your epic or get PHONE B ... phones are part of the revolving door of technology. It'll be outdated before it even comes out.
[EVO 4G General] dekayte:
How do you ever buy a phone then? There is ALWAYS something wrong with every phone.
[EVO 4G General] Sebrina:
LOL, I'm sorry I had to laugh, the Hummingbird's 45nm chip consumes up to 50% less battery than a Snapdragon and a Super Amoled display is the most battery efficent screen in the mobile market to date, it's said the Epic's battery life will be slighty better than an iPhone. Are you seriously comparing it's battery life to an Evo? ROFL! NEXT YEAR RELEASE? Do you read mobile blogs and Engadget much? It's coming out before the end of summer, as for the UI it's a freaking UI, just as bad as Sense so just flash a custom ROM and make it stock Android big deal, custom ROMs, it's Kernel and a kitchen have been already released. What's so cool looking about an Evo it's a square with a large screen and 4 circle buttons (which really aren't that appealing), umm... yeah sexy as hell, lol. Mind you the Moment got 2.1 before the Hero so as far as track records Samsung did better than HTC in the last round, stop making your post look bad.
[EVO 4G General] Supermighty:
And there is always a new phone.

I'm not looking for a phone that is OMGamazingWTFlifeIsPerfect. I'm looking for a phone that's better than my last one (iPhone 3G) and will last me a year and a half to two years.

The EVO for me is a step backwards on the 16 bit screen alone. That coupled with the other issues makes it a no brainer for a return. I may not get the Samsung Epic, I may go without a smart phone for a month or two. But I will get something that is, even is slightly, better than my previous smart phone when I do get one.
[EVO 4G General] Sebrina:
^ Thank you! Seems I'm not the only here who doesn't think the Evo is the best thing since sliced bread.
[EVO 4G General] brennod10:
I personally haven't liked my evo at all since i got it...

the touchscreen isn't good at all, easier to type on an ipod touch than this phone

htc sense isn't good at all... whats the point of having like 7 screens if they are all easily accessible within your apps menu.

the whole hacking thing with the evo is pretty much over since there's the OTA update, and froyo will be released soon anyways

the camera is not good in low light and without focusing in, pictures look horrible

there's no physical keyboard, which i miss since switching from my env touch on verizon's way better network

4g network is only available in like 20 cities, so it's not all that exciting to have a 4g phone

the facebook integration is the dumbest thing ever since it makes your contacts and messaging apps loaded with people

multitasking is useful sometimes, but should be easier to control like on the iphone and the phone should be able to recognize when two apps are playing audio.

those are a fer reasons why i hate my evo... and since i bought it on june 10, how can i exchange it for the epic when it comes out(which i really want)??

in fact i think i'll just pay off what i owe on my env touch and switch back to verizon, because i never had a deadspot in coverage and i can upgrade my phone every year, when with sprint you have to be a "Premiere" customer. my final solution is to stick with my env and then fgo for something like the droidx or whatev. just not gonna stick with my evo bcuz i hate it so much
[EVO 4G General] Sebrina:
Say you don't like it and return it wherever you got it, you have a month to do so and wait for the Epic.
[EVO 4G General] brennod10:
lol i'm wondering the same thing, what if the pic comes out after the 30 window of what ever u have now
[EVO 4G General] popular nobody:
Look in the mirror. You're promoting Samsung and the Epic 4G as the best thing since sliced bread, and you haven't personally used the product. I'm not knocking you at all if this phone truly makes you happy, but I think the people in this subforum get your point already. Personally, I do feel that EVO owners are downplaying a very good device, but this will always be the case for any true high end device and their owners. No device will compare to their baby. I could play in this miniature war over these devices if I wanted to, as I'm probably one of the few who actually played with the device for a while now, but I'd rather not. If my judgment was wrong, I would like to apologize in advance.