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[Windows Mobile Software Development] ocman:
My real goal to achieve, is to replace the recent program list from the bottom, and to replace it with shortcut for "recent program", "All programs","Control Panel".

This way we can have acces to parameters without loosing the ability of recentprogramlist. but I really don't know enought by now on lua script etc to program the whole thing, we have the layout, we need a good dev to make the whole thing, but I think it's a bit difficult to do as it need the script to understand how to lauch cpl files...

my real dream is a lightweight startmenu replacement like "Panoramic Launcher"...
[Windows Mobile Software Development] jonifen:
This looks great - I never knew (or noticed) that the Start Menu was so heavyweight on memory. I might give this a go over the weekend. Nice work!
[Windows Mobile Software Development] mitsi:
ocman, this is a very nice tweak to get more ram. I tried Panoramic Launcher, but believe it or not, found it to be a bit buggy. Sometimes it launched and sometimes the start menu launched. I want something which I can get used to. I am trying your program and like it very much. The only thing I would change is to give the settings menu items the same icon as before. I think I can research this one as I know you can add icons to shortcuts.

It does seem to save some ram too.

Well done and thanks!!! :D
[Windows Mobile Software Development] felipemadox:
How to put back the start menu? :(
[Windows Mobile Software Development] G-ThGraf:
Hi,

is it possible to creat folder in this start menu (i think yeah but need be sure :D)

Bye bye (et merci!!)
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Frank C:
Hmmm, pitty did not work for me.....did not get te square with start icons. Instead icons where similar oriented as current start menu and logo's where gone.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] maan1976:
great job.i ve been looking for a start menu disabler and a replacement for a year.

GREAT JOB,piece of ART !
[Windows Mobile Software Development] felipemadox:
Not work too at wm 6.5.x.

I installed the cab to replace and the cab to remove start menu, but when i soft reset my device the windows flag has disappeared and i get no more startmenu. Neither new or old
[Windows Mobile Software Development] buffalosolja42:
yeah in 6.5.x lost but I gained like 30mb wow

I see were this would really help with CHT or any other version thinking about installing it to see how it works on overlay sitting idle right now with NRGz 8-6 I have 96mb free! That is a good hack either way maybe needs to be cooked into roms and have a shortcut to the windows/startmenu for access to startmenu. Either way nice job.

****you lose your settings menu access as well because I was going to map my windows button to the windows/startup/program files*****
[Windows Mobile Software Development] maan1976:
hahaha nice appbutyou forgot something theme settings !

dude wonderful app , but you forgot a shortcut to change the theme and the theme wallpaper ! in WM6.5 and 6.5.3 it has a special path ,not like 6.1 ,you might need to tweak it a little bit ! ! ! !

but its a great RAM saver and super practical ! :) great job:)
[Windows Mobile Software Development] sv0911:
@ocman,

thanks for sharing..!

Works perfect for me...!:)

Greetings

sv0911
[Windows Mobile Software Development] jardan:
this works with all devices? and which files should I download and install?
[Windows Mobile Software Development] aLlamaWithARifle:
Wow this really makes such a big difference, even on my HD2. This seems to have saved me about 20mb on my memory and has sped up my entire phone quite a lot.

The only problem is I'm using arkswitch and that covers up the start menu button and the start menu hardware button doesn't seem to work so at the moment I've got no way of getting to the start menu. Is it possible to make the hardware button work again?

Overall though it's a big improvement and it has definately made a speed difference and personally I think that this looks better than the default start menu anyway.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] amc1274:
I hated the start menu layout and always wished for a CHTEditor grid type layout. Can't wait to try it out!

EDIT: Tried it out and love it. On my HD2, pressing the hard Start button seems to confuse it for a few seconds and then nothing. The soft Start button works fine and the app is VERY good in general. Like others have said, it would be perfect for me if the hard button worked or could be mapped, the scrolling speed was increased and folder creation.

Excellent job!
[Windows Mobile Software Development] tboy2000:
Can you do a 4 column version also?

Plus 1 for folder creation for this menu.

I contacted Cookie once and he said Cookie Manila Start Menu would be on his next release. Seems like you beat him to it :)
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Hammerfest:
OIY OP FUK YOU.....

but in all seriousness, I offered a bounty both here at XDA and over at PPCG for a CHT or classic WM6.1 StartMenu/Programs for $20...

Keep up the good work, make it (talk to CHT/CHTE) compatible and customizable with CHT/CHTE to be merged into or if you want to keep it alone make it an add-on still for CHT/CHTE (so we can change the columns/row amount/setup)

$20 for the finalized version with customization possibilities (it can do folders?), make that bottom row optional and customizable, Recent Programs or Folders or like Win7 even with the "Pin to StartMenu"

Either way, when done and I can use it reliably $20 is yours (paypal?!)
[Windows Mobile Software Development] x2h:
hi i installed this program and it does saved 10 M ram! thanks a lot!

however i have a few problems. in sense 2.5, the calendar and setting tabs dissappeared.

i also try to map this program to a hardware key, but can't seem to find the shortcut to the app. can you tell me where to find it?

thanks for helping!!!
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Clound:
errrrr.....It doesn't work for me... :(
[Windows Mobile Software Development] smeddy:
This is why I hate what Microsoft have done with WM6.5!

ou have managed to knock this together in a day or two - and it is magnificant! It's clean, it has 'most used' apps, and it's memory-efficient. The Redmond thickos left the OS to stagnate for five years, and all they ever gave us was that featureless, memory-hog, ugly "diamond" layout in 6.5.

They could have totally owned the Apple smartphone market if they had an imagination. Muppets all around (and I honestly am a giant Microsoft fan generally).

Anywayt, that's all off-topic, this is a flawless tweak for WM and I give you all my thanks for it. Works amazingly on the HD2.

If I had to offer constructiver feedback, it'd be the things you already know, probably e.g. scrolling's a little slow, some new shortcuts are without icons, and it's a cheeky work-around to use Z (but one I've used myself so many times over the last decade :))

Anyway, even with these, I absolutely love this. Top marks :)
[Windows Mobile Software Development] tboy2000:
I sadly had to uninstall it as i am on a 6.5.3 rom and when i press the start hardware key it would not launch this menu. Only when i tapped the invisible start menu button at the top let of the screen would it launch.

Anyone know how to get it to work with start hardware key on 6.5.3 rom?
[Windows Mobile Software Development] SpinalRemains:
This program is terrific for doing its job in saving RAM......precious RAM!

I saved on avg 10Mb of RAM. That's quite a bit.

Only thing is, I had to uninstall the start page because it was rendering my Co0kie's Home Tab/WinMo Settings icon unusable. If I pressed the icon, I would only get about a 7 second freeze. No menu to access. If I used the "Z" icons you provided, only 90 percent of them worked. There were 2 I believe that didn't work for me. The "Z"- System icon did not funtion, and the "Z" Backlight did not funtion either. Also, when I accessed my Sense 2.5 menu from either the slider tab or your program, I could not access the "more settings" tab from the menu icon. Other than these issues tho the program was great. I would still be using it if I were able to use the Co0kie's winmo setting icon. I use that little icon quite a bit. This program made me realise just how much. Keep up the good work.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] deckoff:
I use Cookie home tab on HD2 , not-customized rom, WWE edition...

It does nt work for me?

Any help?
[Windows Mobile Software Development] birkoffsjunk:
I've been wanting this for the longest time... thanks!!!
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Arto:
Hi Guys, glad you find those tweaks useful,

You have to know that the manila start menu replacment will not work properly on wm 6.5.x because the button area is only hooked at the top left corner.

so to show the start menu, press the start button area like in the old ui

my cab for remove start menu for wm 6.5.x disable the start and ok button because of that.

if you want a startmenu with the great quickmenu, you can find it in the first post here
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ameza001:
You can change the size of arkswitch's activation field in the arkswitch settings
[Windows Mobile Software Development] gmanfuzing:
Great app, frees up quite a bit of ram.

For those using 6.5.x and using ark for your task manager, you will have to move it over to the right some so you can click where oc's menu is placed.

I agree that you should continue developement and add settings in along with backrounds adjustment and things that would make the app more useful.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] s2007:
i can not install it on my HD2 (stock Rom) :(
[Windows Mobile Software Development] link68759:
Doesn't work for me either; I have the htc Pure, which essentially is the Touch Diamond 2.

Nothing happens at all. and now the original start menu icons are huge.... great.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] sponge_worthy:
Looks great. +1 on the folder options. I have too many programs installed not to be able to organize them.

Also, your idea about having a recent button on the bottom as well is a good idea. I would like to add that you should include a button for the most popular programs launched as well.

Great work!
[Windows Mobile Software Development] jedah:
I think I may have done something wrong. The new program menu seems to install successfully. But, I don't see anywhere to launch it (not in the start menu or program files). Did I miss something? I was using a 23673 Energy ROM. Is it in the windows folder somewhere?

The disable start menu cable worked great. Love having the extra RAM.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] mrhayami:
personally once I installed the disabler I couldn't exit apps without using hardware keys...so I just took the start menu out and I gained 15-20mb ram on my topaz :3 Also added in all of my settings shortcuts until we figure out how to get settings in there.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] wuub:
using Titanium (6.5.5 23128) on a Topaz... no not working :(
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Farmer Ted:
If the manila start menu isn't working out, you can use the disable cab and XTask. It has a setting to use its own startmenu.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] mrhayami:
Thats because manila must be running, its a manila start menu
[Windows Mobile Software Development] jedah:
How do you launch the manilla start menu? At first, I thought it wasn't installed, and then I somehow accidentally launched it and I have no idea how. It doesn't come out when I press the windows hard key, and I can't find it in program files or the windows folder. Any suggestions?

Edit: Disregard this post. I forgot to read the previous pages. Problem is probably arkswitch.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Atcold:
Difference about "OCMan StartMenu ReplacementWWE_0409.cab" and "OCMan StartMenu Replacement Fr 040C.cab"? Is also the Start button remapped to launch your interface?
[Windows Mobile Software Development] mrhayami:
Difference is language, 0409=english and 040C=french, and no the start button is where the original 6.5 start menu would be in 6.5.x usually top left where arkswitch plays.

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@OCMAN

I've been thinking using co0kies source we might be able to emulate folders kind of like how in the quicklinks selector it is split between ; programs, contacts, toggle switch, notifications, and misc.

HomeType = {Program = 1, Contact = 2, Bookmark = 3, Widget = 4, Co0kieLink_Switch = 12, Co0kieLink_Notify = 13, Co0kieLink_Misc = 14}

In theory we should be able to use this to create folders and a fake control panel where we can throw all the links from the cpls. Let me know what you think.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Hammerfest:
I know i dont matter much as im not on the code/tech aspect side of it... but i think... YES PLEASE... LOL!
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Geekaholic:
I screwed this up and now have no start menu or access to apps. Please help!

Using an AT&T Tilt 2 with the latest official ROM.

I installed the start menu replacement and deactivated the original start menu. No problem, loved the new setup and the reduction in memory use.

Then, by mistake, I deactivated Sense, and ended up back in the standard Winmo 6.5 interface with no access to my start menu or apps. I can't access my settings to turn Sense back on, and I have no access to my apps. I can't even do a hard reset, because for this phone, the hard reset is carried out using a softkey in the settings.

Edit: I found a desktop registry editor I can use remotely edit my phone registry. Is there a setting I can change to get access either to my old start menu or the settings?

Here's what I do have access to:

Email

Text

Calendar

Clock

Weather

Phone

Standard Winmo taskbar, but the Start Menu icon doesn't do anything.

Does anyone have any suggestions?

Is there any way to uninstall a .cab using activesync?

Is there an MSI installer that will restore the old start menu or another program launcher?

Any way to get to the settings menu from a link in an email?

Please help! My phone is crippled until I figure this out.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] mrhayami:
Alrighty! Heres what to do!

6.5

1. plug phone into usb computer

2. when activesync comes up add these files back to your \windows directory (included at the end or use cab)

3. reset and have fun

6.5.x

1. plug phone into usb computer

2. when activesync comes up add these files back to your \windows directory (included at the end or use cab)

3. if your using 6.5.x use the registry editor included in the pack or the cab and change

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Shell\BubbleTiles]
"hardwarestartkeyenabled" =dword:00000001 to 0 or delete the key

this will give you your start menu icon back.

4. then reset and tada your safe.

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[Windows Mobile Software Development] hoactaithien:
the Settings of window isn't work!!!

When i installed the start menu remover, the settiongs of window isn't work. How to fix this problem??? please help me!
[Windows Mobile Software Development] mrhayami:
Currently there is no control panel setup in this start menu, we are working on it, however if u mean the start menu button itself you can now activate it in the upper left corner of your taskbar.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Geekaholic:
Thank you!

Thank you very much! This solved my problem and saved my ass. I bow in deference to your awesomeness.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] mrhayami:
lol no prob just glad it helped ^_^, I know how bad it can be when stuff like that happens...mainly because I modify my phone too much for my own good. In any case huzzah and congrats now I can go sleep knowing that I helped someone lol.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] hoactaithien:
thank you for your answer! But i want to say that " the settings of window isn't exist totally". I try to use the full settings menu of manila setting tab to access the settings of window but it doesn't.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] mrhayami:
Yes that is a link to control panel and is part of the cprs that have been set to 0 in the start menu remover cab. for now there is a little workaround I have been using and if you are using 6.5.x it is amazing, xtask will bring up your control panel as well as position fix, xbutton fix and is a great task manager for 6.5.x.

The other option is to place shortcuts into your startmenu/programs/ folder, I would provide them if you chose this method, just post your registry for this item:

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Security\Shell\StartInfo\Start\Settings]

and all the subkeys.

Hope that is able to help you until we add the settings menu back into the launcher.

@all users

I know I have mentioned how we might be able to get control panel and folders into the manila start menu but one problem seems to persist as Geekaholic has stated, if manila is turned off there is no way to the menu at all, so the other option is make a low memory native wm app to act as the start menu,this can be used with or without manila as a full replacement. Only thing is my programming is not soo good, so this may not happen from me but it is an option.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] user1323:
Hey, I really like the app but the settings Z apps in the start menu are not linked to anything.

Also my hardware button is not working on the stock 6.5 rom, I though only 6.5.x was having a problem with that?
[Windows Mobile Software Development] mrhayami:
which hardware button are you trying to use? If it is the start it is because it is not linked to anything, the start menu is activated by the upper left in the taskbar, the exe runs at start up and adds the hotspot, you cannot launch the exe from hardware key. and Z-apps should, they may not have icons but they should be linked unless your cpl items are numbered differently.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] user1323:
Seem as though the Sytem Seting one does not work.... It actually deleted itself out of the start menu.

Is there a way to add the Home tab for the sence in the start menu?

Also Is there any progress on making the windows hardkey work?

Thanks for your hard work =)
[Windows Mobile Software Development] mrhayami:
Settings and hardkey will not work since all cpr files have been emptied. Settings is not a part of the start menu it is a control panel app that is displayed by the system itself when it draws the cprs up. And as far as the hardkey as I stated in the last post

Also since you are looking for the today settings I assume you may want to turn manila off, doing so will not allow you to access the start menu because it is a manila start menu.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] user1323:
Ok...see the the problem with the hardware key, hopefully someone can design a low memory program as you stated

I do want to keep Manila on but one of the Z apps was "system setings" where you could see the voltage and the cpu temperature and so on but it never let me access it and the the Z app disaperaed from the start menu all together
[Windows Mobile Software Development] mrhayami:
I'm still unsure of why you would want to press a hardware key over the screen but to each his own, and as far as voltage and cpu temp there is no control panel/settings tab that shows this, only one I can think of is tbattery which is a app installed and used in start menu.

Is this what you are talking about?
[Windows Mobile Software Development] cls_:
I think this is a huge downside that we cannot open the Start Menu from a shortcut and/or hardware button. I am on 6.5.x and use arkswitch... whos overlay is exactly where this overlay is at.

I am not sure why this is not programmed as it seems fairly straight forward. You could have it so that the exe takes in a argument that will tell it to open up instead of having to use the overlay. You could even have it take in some args so that one can decide to disable the overlay if they don't want to use it since it can interfere with other overlays from other apps.

Other than the above issue. Great app. Thanks for the work. :)
[Windows Mobile Software Development] mrhayami:
Yes but arkswitch already has an overlay mover/resizer built in, you can move it anywhere over the taskbar;I for example moved it where the clock is.

Also seeing as manilastart.exe is a part of the old manila 3d its not something any of us have actually made and have access to the source code which is why we haven't moved the activation area. wm 6.1 has same start menu area as 6.5 so that is why it is where it is.

The best solution I believe is a standalone app which I have been looking into since some users want the free ram but do not want to use manila.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] raziel711:
I was just wondering is it possible to disable the start menu in WM 6.5.x without disabling the X button on the right side of the bottom bar, or does removing the start button also remove the X button automatically? Ideally, I'd like to keep all the softkeys in the same place except for removing the start menu icon.

Thanks in advance.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] PREMOLIKES:
I am expecting someone to build a start menu replacement for phones with no manila or sense
[Windows Mobile Software Development] mrhayami:
Here is the X button

View attachment 385626

Here is X button and Start menu in case you want start to launch something else.

View attachment 385628

And yes that is what we have been talking about in the past few pages :3
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ai6908:
This is awesome...thank you for this replacement cab...:D
[Windows Mobile Software Development] PREMOLIKES:
None of the replacement pgms are working with me. my device is qvga.Though I use quick menu, and put a blank cpr,plus Iphone today.I just kinda like the interface like the one in the first page.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] mrhayami:
Well that would be why the programs on this thread do not work, didnt think manila or sense were ported to qvga and the menu is not qvga either.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Hammerfest:
OP hasnt been on since the 11th, you seem to be making more head-way then him :D

EITHER WAY, I already thanked the OP and will continue to, since no new release's my first post in this thread is really the only Complaint/Request/Bug I have at all...

really hoping someone continues to work on this great project (or finds a way to straighten out the WM6.5 and 6.5.x start menu, id use it, 10MB~ of RAM be damned :P )!!!
[Windows Mobile Software Development] robseargeant:
Is there a way to shrink the area of the link field in the Start Menu Replacement App? It extents out over my notifications tab if my BT icon is also up in the taskbar.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] LudwigXIV:
Hi, also thanks to you for your great work, but the X-Button enabler doesn't work for me. It recreates the start menu button too. I'm using a TD2 with Nullpointer Evo ROM which bases on Win mob 6.5.x

Hope you can help me :-)
[Windows Mobile Software Development] obaz:
fuze, wm 6.5, sense 2.1.

after installing nothing happens.

taping on start brings homescreen.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] mrhayami:
Well lets see if we can trouble shoot that! Does it just not display the softkey for the xbutton? what exactly happens? I may have typed the key wrong so I'll look I thought the user I posted it for originally got it to work but double checking I will go!Usually when you do the reg edit a restart is recommended if you haven't done so.

after installing the startmenu or the enabler? If you are talking about the start menu replacement it may be because you are using 2.1 instead of 2.5.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] zerowire:
perfect job!
[Windows Mobile Software Development] wuhao819:
beautiful view, but i prefer wm oringal menu