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[HD2 General] zarpy:
ok then i just have my rule

Well I dont want to continue because it seems the majority of vets are annoyed at new users. So now I will have this rule from now on to make things simple. Any time I see this behavoir towards newbies , I will post a link to www.ppcgeeks.com . So since newbies are a problem to the vets here, I will redirect them to different website. That should handle all the problems.
[HD2 General] leepriestenator:
XDA will grow no matter what but if you think that XDA is more interested in the number of users it has, you are sadly mistaken.

It's very easy to pop in here and create ANOTHER useless thread asking everyone to be nice to the newbies.

All the senior members here were all newbies once. All the chefs and developers were newbies too. They didn't get to be where they are by starting up useless HELP ME threads because they were too lazy to get off their behinds and help themselves.

I've been here since 2006 and my post count very recently crossed 500. I've hung out at XDA almost every single day since the day I officially joined and about another year before that without being a member. I've learnt A LOT over here and given everything that I've learnt, if I were to have posted a HELP ME thread everytime I wanted something, I would have probably raked in about 10k posts by now. Think about how many threads and posts we would have from heavily contributing members if they were to take the HELP ME route.

I've been around here so long and know enough people here that no one would have an issue with me opening a thread for any query that I have, yet I don't... why? because XDA is a repository. Every question that anyone can think of has already been asked and has already been discussed.

I can understand how overwhelming everything can be for a newbie, but that still doesn't excuse the HELP ME threads. SEARCH, Look around, do your due diligence and you will find what you need. Nothing comes easy. You have to work for it. Google Search makes things exceptionally easy. Use it and stop crapping this place up.

Honestly, IMO, the mods here are really nice. Too nice infact. People here get away with just about anything. If you guys think people here are tough then you haven't seen how strict things are around the internet. I swear to god, if I was a mod here, the trash can would be overflowing.

Please... stop these incessant rants.

@zarpy.. PPCGeeks is miniscule compared to XDA. Trust me, the mods and the members over there take care of their forum more aggressively than XDA. It's only a matter of time before they start booting LAZY newbies.
[HD2 General] LightOfJah:
Yeah I agree with this, I find it funny like people were born with the knowledge and talk to people who are clueless like they were never in there shoes before. I myself just got a HD2 not to long ago never really used a phone of the sort with apps and etc. I am however tech smart with PCs and like to learn on my own as it benefits you in the long run so I've picked up the basics just by doing. But not everyone is tech smart especially with phones as a lot of it I do not have a clue what it means even though I am tech smart, but I'm learning what does what slowly and how to install different types of apps, games, and themes :P

If some of you veterans with these phones disagree with this, your simply a liar and should go play in a fire :)
[HD2 General] justwonder:
Don't you want to understand what is going on, before you're saying?
[HD2 General] NeoGreendawg:
Can someone explain what this has to do with "Themes and Apps" please?

Honestly...Noobs...:rolleyes:
[HD2 General] justwonder:
Stay tune, OP will redirect you to another site, your question will be answered.
[HD2 General] leepriestenator:
LOL... Oh boy that was funny. LOL
[HD2 General] carhigh:
HELP ME IM NEW and opps i had caps on four icons to look goodier lyke iphone has
[HD2 General] wolfee:
I can see both sides of this point... Yes the search feature is important, and relitivley easy. Most of the bashing is because people dont use it.

But have you all ever stopped to think about this lil situation?

You are looking for an app, but have no clue what it is called???

Or you are from another country, and have difficulty writing English, even though you can speak it clearly enough.

Then there are the noobs that have no clue (like my self) and come looking for help or ask a question to learn.

Many crash in flames because the people who know the answers, only shoot em down. Even after using the search feature. (yes I have seen this situation here as well)

The easy solution is to just not post a flaming bash to the question, or better yet, just dont post anything at all. Someone that does know and has compassion will answer at some point. Or the person asking will do a search or search again or at some point.

It takes more effort to post a bash than it does to point them in the rite direction and teach the noobs.

The old saying "if you have nothing nice to say, say nothing at all" REALLY fits here.

Question for all of you to ask your self... When you signed up here, did you READ ALL of the rules before you posted? I'm willing to bet a very small percentage did infact, READ ALL of the rules. So many (not all) of you really have no room to point fingers. :D
[HD2 General] orb3000:
Read and Search is the key to not posting usless threads

Couldn´t be more than agree with you leepriestenator, except for the part of the 10k posts:D:D

I am almost there:cool:

P.S Mods please move to proper discussion place
[HD2 General] zarpy:
MG

I know alot of people read Mystics Genius post and thought damn cavemen exist in this day and age.

Laughing my a&+) off hahahaha you said 8 years ago you got bashed here by olipro. Your join date is 2008 its 2010 .....hahahahha where"s your math teacher he did a horrible job hahahahaha.

You this thread was opened by a newbie that wants to know why he got thrash. Your english teacher didnt teach you how to read properly hahaha.

Iam a vet here , I opened this thread because Iam tired of this attitude thats starting to take place.

You remembered when you used to get bashed and thrashed , so you think its right. How dumb are you , so if your dad beat you everyday, does that mean you beat your son? I hope not!!! You suppose to learn , but you stayed aan idiot all this time. 8 years and you learn nothing hahahahaha your the true definition of moron. Iam not mad, I think your a joke hahahahaha.
[HD2 General] MartyLK:
I just hope you guys don't expect your doctors, lawyers, police officers and everyone else of importance in life to answer your questions...that have been asked and asked over and over again. The answers to your heart problems are on the internet. A little Bing search will find them. You don't need to bother your doctor with clarification questions.

Please stop harrassing your lawyers. They answer the exact same questions you ask time and again. They must be so sick of answering those questions over and over again. All of the answers you can think of are clearly posted online. Do a search of Google or Bing and stop asking your important people questions.
[HD2 General] andy andy:
hmmm.... i feel that as newbie
[HD2 General] ProjektFuze:
well that's most likely never going to happen... sorry kid.... but hey, don't get me wrong.. i'm never disrespectful to the nebies.. i always try to answer their question as well as i can.. as opposed to some egotistic wannabe but can't be moderator... who yells at them to SEARCH!!!

it's quite sad actually... while those "elitist" waste all their time telling someone with an honest question to "search" or whatever.. they could've easily answered their question and thus PREVENTING flooding of the same topic posts.....

i'm not quite sure why people like ken and killer act the way they do... it's bewildering... but the FACT remains... that if you want to avoid seeing the same posts over and over... simply answer the damn question k kid? cause once you answer it... another newbie can use that very same thread as a reference.. as opposed to going to the thread only to find no answers.. but rather useless comments telling them to search bla bla bla.. i'm so sad.. i want to be a moderator on this forum cry cry cry... get a life twads... and yes.. i meant you
[HD2 General] jonstarkk:
glad you mention it. I see a lot of "if you gotta ask, you're stupid so don't bother us use google" type of replies her.

which is sad as there are so many really helpful geniusses here :)
[HD2 General] :
This is the only reply I have for this ....

Quoted from the "Before You Post Thread"

And here for reference ...

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=6972211&postcount=2
[HD2 General] dusdus:
I can't see any rule about bashing people who failed at searching or simply didn't search at all.

Just point the newbie to the rules and let the mods do their job. Please don't act like some retarded teenager omfg lolz roflcopter!!!11!!one
[HD2 General] kurt-willems:
Don't make an elephant of a mouse!

I mean if you look back on the beginning of the story; (the reason way this thread was open), I'm not not agree with zarpy!

The reason way?! Take a look in this thread, you will see! link

The truth of the story is, someone (a newbie) opened a new thread because he has need some help. And I must be honest, there is a lot on xda; and if you don't know what to search it is quit difficult to used the search button. But when you open a new thread with the beginning

"Someone please help me!!"

and as friendly as I was I take a look on his question, and also post the correct link to a thread that gives you with images a step by step explication; I don't see way after that, you have a question fore that!? (except only if you don't do the effort to read it!)

I don't think that the comment's after that are misplaced!

I must be honest, not so long ago I was also a newbie. And If I have a question and somebody give me a link related to a answer to my question, I don't need to came back with a other question!

But with my experiance of life, I work in a store (there are alway's peopels who don't do the effort to R.T.F.M.! but Okay that's life. but when someone gives you a advice follow it; read it; and if after all you have a question you can post it in the right thread, the thread that someone gives you the link before!

I don't think if tomorrow you have a problem witch your fridges you don't go to a garage of VW!?

Ps: knowledge is experiences, It is not something you can buy in a chop!
[HD2 General] Starfury:
At what point do you reach "XDA Veteran" status?

Is there only two levels? Noobs or Vets?

Also, is it OK for non-vets or noobs to bash noobs for being noobish?

Anyone ever seen a vet being a noob and not get bashed for it? (I have)

The search feature within XDA is not brilliant (Google search with XDA in it does better) and sometimes threads do get very large and you "cant see the wood for the trees" so to speak, but if they want help with something they are looking at doing they should post it in the thread where they got that thing from not in a new thread.

But if you see something posted that you deem noobish it takes a lot more effort to click reply and bash them than it does to click back or next page....
[HD2 General] appelflap:
My advice: just ignore the bashers and act on your own insight. Be autonomous. Just help the newbies if you can, like and have the time.

BTW if you did some thinking and used the search engine before you posted your question you could found out for yourself !!! ;):D
[HD2 General] drblow:
The most sensible thing in this thread has been stated by MysticGenius, if you are going to post looking for help, then start your post with "I have been searching but not found what I am looking for", include the url to your search and you can then avoid any bashing. The bashing only comes when people don't search.

This forum is humungus, searching for answers can take alot of time. Put the time in, you will learn something as you go.

If there are some members with time on their hands they might help you out, but don't rely on that.
[HD2 General] d3l1:
while I agree with those that think, like I do, that people who are too lazy or too stupid to use the search function should be told to search first and ask later, I do have to admit that I had to ask some questions from time to time because the search didn't return any result. the weird thing is that the threads I was searching for existed but the search returned with "sorry no matches". did that happen to somebody else, too?
[HD2 General] appelflap:
I think that ignoring questions that one is judging for oneself as too simplistic is the way to go (saves a lot of frustrations). Maybe others, with another level, want to answer the question. Maybe not. That's how it goes in the real world.

You know, answering by saying that one should search is also an answer ;)
[HD2 General] dick turpin:
yep i agree if you cant be arsed answering the noob question, just dont bother writing a comment at all. some peoe are *****es man! lol :)
[HD2 General] argentocruz:
Some issues are easy to search for, but some nubs don't even know what they are looking for...

And for roms, there are some threads with millions of views and tens of thousands of replies... Heck... My phone would be obsolete by the time I got the info I needed...

This leo/general section alone has 5 pages of active threads a day!

Let nubs ask away I reckon... It's not like the internet's running out of space :D
[HD2 General] conantroutman:
Can throw in my humble opinion?...................good :D

Ive been active here for a few months now and I have to say that I've had any grief from another user......quite the opposite in fact.....

Of course its annoying when people ask daft questions but lets be honest, who among us has never asked a question when they could have searched further......

Theres no need to give somebody **** because they've asked a question or they dont know something, as someone else said just dont reply.... if you can help... then help.

Ive found this to be an incredibly helpful and friendly place........

long may it continue........ and thankyou to anyone who's ever answered one of my (stupid n00b) questions! :D
[HD2 General] leepriestenator:
This is a never ending cycle of ranting. Can we just wrap this up?

Newbies, please try and search. Yes, it takes time and is more difficult than starting up a thread asking people to help, but just because you can set up a thread, doesn't mean you should. Put yourself in the shoes of the people who use this place every single day. It get's really frustrating. Think of this place as your house. Just because you can't find something at home in the first go doesn't mean you're going to go out to the store and buy another one.

As far as noob bashing is considered, yes there are times when people can get rude, but on the whole it's nowhere near as bad as everyone here is making it out to be. OP, you are completely out of line for starting this and inciting the community as a whole. Kurt was more helpful than he needed to be and it's in his nature to be courteous. He wasn't rude and neither was the other member. Things got bad only after you stepped in. You claim to be a "vet" here, yet you had no issues with posting this in the HD2 Apps section. The mods had to come in and move this to the appropriate section. This is the kind of cavalier attitude that makes people mad.

As for all the arguments about how big this place is and about how some people find it more difficult to find things is concerned... that's just BS. You don't need Einstein to figure out that most of the newbies here don't even bother to search ONCE. Just look around the forums... 90% of the queries newbies make are extremely simple and the type that would show up in the first page of search results if they actually tried searching first.

How often do you find people telling newbies to search when it is a more serious concern? Almost NEVER!

People are not stupid. They can tell when someone is genuinely in distress and can't find an answer and when someone is just being lazy and taking advantage of the good nature of the community.

A lot of you here just want to make a statemnt for arguments sake. Take a step back and think about it more clearly. We're not here to fight. We're here to help and be helped. All I'm saying is that we're each responsible for what we put out in the world and what we put out in this forum. Don't be selfish. Think about everyone else as much as you do about yourself.

Please just let this go. Let's move on.
[HD2 General] BumAround:
Maybe, just maybe, xda dev needs a more user-friendly, more intelligent, & more robust search engine (whatever that means). Lol.

Sometimes even mods have his/her bad day(s).....and some people just take the term "hard feelings" to a new low. :)
[HD2 General] zagitta:
I don't agree, people just need to start actually thinking, I mean honestly how hard can it be to ask yourself "What' is it my problem?" for example: "okay i want to install some icons" take the keywords (install and icons) in the sentence and put them into the search field and PROFIT

But honestly I don't blame them, because school systems teaches people to just remember the answer or how to find it, not to understand how stuff actually works.

> First post yay <
[HD2 General] kam333:
Some people are sooo sensitive, im in touch with my feminine side, but come on... was that really bashing? I understand how complicated winmo can appear to a complete novice, but thats no excuse for sitting back & waiting to be fed.

Plus, it can often be a lot quicker to find the answer for yourself & that same novice may actually benefit from doing their own investigation/ search as in my experience, you often pick up a few extra tips along the way.

As for the statement that a newbie may one day become a developer & contribute to the forum (this is a valid point), but this (so-called bashing) could well be ideal preparation for any potential negative feedback they receive should they ever release any software, How would they cope!!!

Im all for politeness, however, there are times when a direct word is very necessary to snap someone out of their bubble.

Welcome to the real world.
[HD2 General] MalekoUK:
When I signed up I wanted to customise my old Diamond, and after reading threads similar to that mentioned earlier about noob posting, I just looked and read helpful threads and learnt all I needed to without asking.

Sometimes if I'm lost with something I will ask, but a lot of questions that these "noobs" ask are obvious if you search! Some just seem lazy.

Like how many posts so we need about if its possibly to get android on the HD2...come on, look through the forum and you will find the answer!!
[HD2 General] carhigh:
pleaz help me
[HD2 General] carhigh:
Please topic know good four understand click here n helpme

http://xdaforums.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=7025606
[HD2 General] zarpy:
Finishing touches

Ok all I did in the post that the man is refering to was give to smart-a$$ a little of there own medicine. I saw people making fun of a newbie who was lost, so I said a little something back. Then the same people who where making fun of the noob, got offended at what I said. So its like bullies, but when I strike the bully Iam the bully.
[HD2 General] spamtrash:
Well, I have to agree with you, and I have found some of the supporting your above thesis facts:

1. USE ENGLISH. "muchas" use? "i" don't know if I should really.

2. Do you mean something like:

"There you go, but can you tell me how to use this? it is a .theme file and i have never used one of these.

http://rapidshare.com/files/16021726...eme___Wall.rar" - 2rd Nov 2008, the IDIOT here shall search how to use the .theme files.

or:

"im just getting to grips with your app, it looks very good, but would i be correct in thinking that i could edit the ini file if i wanted a custom order?

please could you tell me how the naming/placing works with in the ini file, i dnt want to ass it up n delete everything!" - 22nd Oct 2008 the IDIOT here should try to edit and see the results.

or:

"thanks alot for this works great, is there a way to change how the light flashes?

like increase or decrease the pulse rate?" - 22nd Oct 2008, the IDIOT here should search if it can be done try to do it

or:

"i noticed a pinkbarfix.cab in the 2nd post, do i need that for this rom?" - 22nd Oct 2008, the IDIOT here should search what for this file is

or:

"ok, you say it like i should know what your talking about!

I didnt know there was a manilla update! where is it, have you got a link?" - 23rd Oct 2008, the IDIOT here should search if the manilla was updated or not.

or:

"this looks interesting, is this like the thing the iphone has?" - 23rd Oct 2008, the IDIOT here should search, if iPhone has it or not.

or:

"Thanks alot, so just copy the remaned nbh not the rru.exe to the root of internal storage?" - 28th Oct 2008, the IDIOT here should use search function to find how to flash

or:

"i know this is off topic, but how are you flashing from internal storage?

is it safer?" - 28th Oct 2008, the IDIOT here should search what is safer

or:

"im looking to flash over to this, there is too much good talk over here for me to standing over out the crowd!

can i ask about the colour/theme? does it follow the standard HTC Black colour scheme?

and what size is the PP? i use iGO8 and it doesnt run so well with less than 16mb!" - 28th Nov 2008, how many things the IDIOT could search for, instead of posting his garbage...

Short quiz: who the IDIOT is?

3. Which peoples are NOT sending the stupid questions? You? all above examples are your own posts...

4. 8 years ago you were smashed, but you dind't ogt your lesson, as is visible from above posts examples again...

Finally, you was one of the asking idiots just less than two years ago, and somebody provided you with the help.

amnesia? :D
[HD2 General] kam333:
At the risk of keeping this alive.

I dont think anyone is calling you the bully & personally ive noticed a few threads where general courtesy has gone out the window (for no good reason, just not in this case), For what its worth... think you had the best intentions... just chose the wrong situation, & you've got to admit there are a lot of threads asking the same (non complex) thing over & over.

ive been a winmo user for over 10yrs (since HP Jordana), but only started tweaking in the last few years & virtually every query ive had was already on XDA, & usually found on the 1st attempt, it doesnt take smarts, just a little initiative, & some people can benefit from a little prod to exercise this useful facility.

Just my opinion. ;)
[HD2 General] kurt-willems:
I think you must take a better look on the thread you mention! I was there and by my knowledge nobody was making fun of a newbie!! And like I already say it this is a discussion out of context! :cool:
[HD2 General] NeoGreendawg:
I don't know if the thread you're talking about was the one I remember, but a day or two ago I saw Kurt-Willems answer and post a link trying to help someone out only to have his reply ignored completely and then the OP complained about nobody helping him...

To the person who started this thread,

some people deserve a "bashing" or whatever you want to call it so get off your PC horse and join in with the rest of us or some people will never learn and the rest of us will never be able to find what we're looking for without having to go through pages of useless posts.