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[Hero CDMA General] steverockdood:
Really now....that's a problem though I'm a high driver with no camera, so I use my camera a lot, and I usually forget how to get back from where I started, so that could be an issue
[Hero CDMA General] neuro_genesis:
Try regawMOD, and then flash the darch kernal for honeybun. Just grab setCPU or the overclock widget from the market after that.

The first boot will take some time. Also I use it because I really like sense.
[Hero CDMA General] abcdfv:
DarchDroid is where it's at.
[Desire General] doinbox:
Seeing an iPhone 4 of a friends the other day next to his 3g was quite funny. The so called amazing resolution screen just looked brighter, more colourful and a tiny bit sharper.

It's funny, before I got my Desire I had an iPhone 3g and I was amazed by it once it got updated to 3.0 firmware. Once jailbroke I could customize the way it looked immensely which is something that a lot of people who use these forums say you can't do. Anyway, my contract was up and being impatient I couldn't hold on for the iPhone 4.0. I'll be honest, I really wanted it but a release date wasn't announced. So I went for the Desire. First thoughts we're, great phone, brilliant screen, very fast, widgets are pretty cool, easy to use, coming from iPhone. Then after a few weeks of enjoying it, the iPhone 4 release date was announced. Then I wanted an iPhone again it looked amazing, all the hype was mental. But I just signed a new contract so there was no way of me getting one. My friend had ordered one and it arrived the other day at work. I didn't get to use it but from what I saw, its not much different visually (display) from the iPhone 3g and its practically the same as the 3g, apart from the cameras,speed,multitasking and obviously a few more things.

So basically what I'm trying to say is. It's no way near as good as the Desire, to use and to look at as far as I'm concerned. Seriously the Desire is a way better phone. The camera doesn't matter its good enough and multitasking on the iPhone is just the worst thing I've ever seen its really poor just the way it actually works. It's terrible.

Not much of a review but just something to stop the arguing and give advice when deciding what phone you want. That's if your choosing out of these two.

p.s

I typed this in landscape on my desire with no problems at all. :
[Desire General] sbdags:
:)

Bloke at work brought his new iPhone in and how we laughed as I got him to 'hold' it and the signal strength went down and then dropped. :D

Android FTW
[Desire General] doinbox:
Yeah, I heard about that as wyell. its something to do with the metal surrounding on the iPhone is the antenna. Haha. Unfortunately my Desire doesn't have a metal surrounding.

;-)
[Desire General] Phil750123:
Just been playing with my dads iphone 4 , and laughed at apples version of multitasking!

Played angry birds, then went into calender and back again, to see the game started all again!

So i just had to do it with another game on my phone, to show how proper multi tasking works! Straight back into the game where i left off !
[Desire General] Scann69:
Have a laugh.....a good one :p

Link: http://vimeo.com/12858526
[Desire General] doinbox:
Haha! brilliant!
[Desire General] myth1001:
http://www.blogcdn.com/chinese.engadget.com/media/2010/06/untitled24.png

LOL :D
[Desire General] JohnSteveDoe:
Fanboyism aside, the iPhone 4 does bring some awesome things to the table, like an amazing camera & camcorder and.. well, that's it. Still, it beats any Android smartphone in that department, hands down.
[Desire General] zippyioa:
This chap claims not to have noticed the signal drop whilst he is making calls......
[Desire General] ruffruff:
a phone primary function is to make calls ... got to hold your iphone4 in the right way so that you can make calls ... now that is another revolution to the mobile industry :)
[Desire General] shaundalglish:
Well, actually, for pictures, the Desire's camera is just as good. Yeah Apple wants to make you believe they have something special, but they really don't. It's just a 5 megapixel camera like everyone else uses (except for the 8 megapixel ones in some other Androids).

I've looked at lots and lots of pictures of both phones, including direct comparison shots, and the Desire's camera is actually the exact same (for pictures, not video).

The software handles some things differently, like the sharpening (I recommend everyone to set sharpness to +1 on the Desire), the pictures look a bit less washed but also lack more detail. But those are just small differences caused by different software and the iPhone certainly doesn't do it better (just a bit differently).

What I actually wanted to say, I HATE when Apple gets credit for doing what others have done for years, like 5 megapixel cameras and video calling. And most of the time, they're not even doing it better and often they're doing it worse (like multitasking or that antenna design, which has been invented by HTC and actually works with HTC phones, without dropping calls).
[Desire General] Invisible Elf:
I got my first android phone yesterday, the Desire and damn it's smooth. I always heard that iPhone apparently has the better keyboard, but the Desire blows my iPod touch away.

I love it and have done nothing but geek my phone today, hail HTC!!
[Desire General] zippyioa:
Welcome to the world of Android Elf... it's a great place to live :)
[Desire General] boas:
Come on...

Now I have not posted in this thread, but really.. Come on...

Why do you think that the people you surround yourself with, describes or adds something to you or your arguments? In this case, I could claim that you could be inside a mental asylum (for being surrounded with psychologists) :p.

But seriously, "blindly attack"? Where have you been? Its been proved on many iPhones that you can't even hold the iPhone 4 properly without losing your network-connection. The multi-tasking is horrible according to reviewers and other people that tested it. And Steve Jobs email is frakking horrific, but not unexpected.

Since when is this blind attacks? Sure the phone-build, camera, and some software is great, but still no other device would be spared ridicule if the errors is as great as the iPhone 4's. It will be scrutinized and by all means, it deserves the ridicule it to this point have (not)received, lol.

UPDATE: Just for the lolz http://gizmodo.com/5571171/iphone-4...-hold-it-by-the-antenna-band?skyline=true&s=i
[Desire General] Nekromantik:
Best camera on any phone???

U must be smoking something there ha ha ha

Have you even seen pix from some of the 8MP camera fones out there, not to mention 12MP fones around the corner.

Yes Apple have more apps then Android, that dont mean they all better.

Games are the ONLY advantage apple has.

The build quality may also be good BUT whats the point when the main function of a MOBILE PHONE which is to make phone calls goes away when you hold your phone a certain way.

I mean come on, your paying £500 for your IPhone 4, you should not be TOLD how to hold it in order to make phone calls. You should be able to hold it how u like and still not loose signal like all other phones out there.
[Desire General] doinbox:
"Be a grown up" gayest insult of the year award.
[Desire General] jimlad:
Surely face time isn't a winner with it only being on wifi :confused: I've had nokia n97 and samsung Omnia both had forward facing cameras i used then both zero times, ok grannies wanting to see grandchilden i get that but i sure as hell don't want to see your ugly mug :p:D or the wifes... or my mates.. ok if your away for a while it would be nice to see the face of a family but iphone4 only? and wifi only?...

More megapixels don't make a nice photo, the lense and sensor are probably more important, i would find it hard to believe that the iphone4 isn't better in this catagory, low light shots with the desire are super grainy and striped = bad sensor.

Iphone4 looks very nice right up until you touch it then it's lovely lux black look is greasy finger tastic!

edit: so you have to hold it around the edge... oh wait!
[Desire General] slyn4ice:
I just have to say a few things in reply to XDA Mark... Psychologists aside :]

Appstore: Really??? Have you taken a look at the quality of apps in there? 80% are duplicates of other apps, 10% are original in their design and 10% are games. Coming from an iPod Touch 2g, I have to say i found all the apps that I need to be productive on a phone in 1% of the time it took me to find them on the ipod just because i didn't have to sift through 1 gazillion useless knock-offs. And then i found some more!

Whoever said MORE apps means BETTER apps??? Yes, there are lots of awesome apps in Appstore but i have not found anything that apps in Android Market can't do and can't do better! And widgets - oh, "non-denominational super-being", I love widgets.

Build quality: Sorry, but after a certain point this is subjective! And you haven't even held it yourself! I find my Desire to have a superb build quality - try to disprove that.

Games: What are we - 12? Do we need silly little 3D games on a 3.4inch screen. That's just laughable. Whoever thought gaming without physical buttons is kewl?! With the current state of haptic feedback this is the most inorganic and crappy method of control. My thumbs take about 35% of the screen of a 3.4inch ipod touch - good luck trying to play like that. My point is - games matter for iPad/tablets. For a phone - i am content with tower defense and sudoku! For Mass Effect 2 I have my HD 5870 and an overclocked i7-920 at home thank you very much.

/rant
[Desire General] mancuk29:
All i will say is price...

In the uk- £30 pm gets you the desire for free (£540 over 18 month contract). 2yr warranty

No dodgy water tab problems, yes the water tabs are there but i've used my desire in steamy bathrooms, desire users have dropped their phones in water and our tabs are still white

Now the iphone 4g ad far as i can work out cheapest tarif to get it free £65 pm (£1170 on min 24 month) 12 month warranty (big risk)

Dodgy water tabs which go pink very easy and void your warranty (see watchdog uk) plus o2 say this phone is jailbreak proof, oh and the signal issue !

Camera isn't that good from the one i've seen... it cetainly isn't worth the money well that's my opinion

BY THE WAY THIS IS AN XDA FORUM SO WHY IS THE IPHONE GETTING A LOOK IN BAR TAKING THE MICHAEL OUT OF THE PATHETIC SIGNAL FIX :)

Im a real gadget freak but on just the above desire wins handsdown
[Desire General] jimlad:
wow only cost me 400euros in holland :D bargain!
[Desire General] cfcmoon:
389 euros in france ^^.
[Desire General] ZigmaDK:
I paid 322€ for the phone and 26€ per month for 6 months.

So a total of 478€.
[Desire General] XDA mark:
Yeah the price of the Desire is way better indeed. That's a thing I forgot.

Anyway, there are to many reply's to my post. I can't deal with so many of you. I have read them all quickly and picked up a few things.

'if people wanted to facetime why didn't they? It's possible for a long time with some Nokia over 3G'

I hope you even read what I wright. Facetime is grandmother friendly. You make a call to somebody. Press the facetime button. Thats it. No setup. Just make sure the other person has a iPhone 4. Part two. The quality. It's very good. Again, with a easy interface its easy to switch between front and back camera's.

It's just the way things work. I am 100% sure. If I and my father would have a facetime call and ANYBODY from my family would see it, they would suddenly be intrested. Because they know the iPhone is 'so cool and easy to use'. YES, that's how most people thing. Don't forget outside XDA people aren't so smart regarding phones. Don't even start telling them about specs of a phone, because they will understand almost nothing.

"the quality of the appstore is bad, many versions of one app"

Hehe. And what the Android Market is better you want to say? Don't forget when attacking something make sure yours is not weaker.

The Android Market is a mess. It's FILLED with crap. So don't tell me the quality of the Appstore is bad. It's just a fact. The best Appstore out there at the moment is the Apple appstore. As much as I would love to have a decent Android Market for my Desire, its just the truth. I have seen what the appstore contains so I know what I am talking about. Have all of you ever entered the Apple Appstore?

On the Android Market I can barely find quality apps.

Oh, and let's talk about developers jumping to Android OS. Yes,that's what I thought as well. But I have recently seen a chart about developers.90% of all developers work single platform. Why? Because its easier for them. So.... Android is QVGA, HVGA WVGA, WVGA. Processors: 400 MHz, 500 MHz, 600 MHz, 800 MHz, 1 Ghz. Screen sizes are: 3.3 inch, 3.7 inch, 4.0 inch, 4.3 inch. And so on and on...

Not easy to make optimized apps for Android now then? It's just messy. And again, I would be very happy to see more and more quality apps. But the truth is, they still aren't showing up so fast.

You know what I am not here to fight any of you. I enjoy this forum so I am stopping with this. I thought we could have a normal discussion about the iPhone 4 but most of you reply like ... well, fanboy's that can't even say something good about another device :P See you around guys!
[Desire General] mancuk29:
I actually ended up buying mine outright for £349.99 unlocked / unbranded off 3 uk as I already had a 3 contract

3 uk are doing the iphone 4g but no prices shown .. the 3gs iphone is £35 pm and £189 upfront so I think the 4G will be way higher

Desire wins on everything as far as im concerned :)
[Desire General] abc27:
I've had video calling on my Motorola E770 and V3xx (Dumbphones), my N95 8GB and my N97 Mini. Take for example the N95 8GB, all I needed to do is push the left button and push video call. Not exactly rocket science. Big shiny buttons with a snazzy name doesn't mean people will suddenly start using video calling (Over WiFi I might add...)

You underestimate people and so does Apple. Video calling has been around for a long long time. It's nothing to do with quality or cost (Over here in Ireland a video call costs the same as a voice call) but simply to the fact that there are very few occasions in which you can sit back and have a lenghty face to face conversation over the phone.
[Desire General] gentilamce:
on paper, iPhone BARELY wins. it certainly doesn't win outright or win by a margin big enough to justify it's price tag.

Even so, i've had my desire for 2months now, and i'm STILL finding lots of cool stuff to do with it, and i haven't even rooted it. I've got friends who have the new iPhone and when I ask em why they bought it, they come out with lots of reasons like "better appstore", "FaceTime", "looks stylish" ... and they are valid reasons but im way happier with my Desire.

It does everything i want it to, the customisation it offers makes this phone really unique to each user and it is the best choice i ever made when it came to phones!

Also... if FaceTime only works over wifi, wouldnt it be easier to set up something like Skype on a pc??
[Desire General] Nekromantik:
facetime = face palm lol

When 3G first launched in the UK, most 3G phones had a front camera as that was the big feature of 3G. Video Calling. Now it might have failed cause of cost of video calls but then again how often would people wanna video call when you use your mobile while your out and about.

Wifi only...now come on. That means u cant do it while your out. unless your near a wifi hotspot. As its a "new" feature all the apple fans will go crazy and start using it and saying look at how "cool" it is.
[Desire General] JohnSteveDoe:
Turn the fanboyism dial down a notch, and lay down your purses before anyone gets hurt, ladies.

The iPhone 4 is a great smartphone. And its camera is the best among mainstream smartphone cameras (yeah, I know there are some Japanese handsets with 12MP cameras that film underwater, but those phones aren't mainstream), for both taking pics and video in both low-light and normal conditions. Believe what you will, but countless comparison tests run by mainstream, decent, non-biased publications beg to differ.

If you want to play games and take lots of pictures/film a lot with your phone, and don't mind the horrid mess that syncing via iTunes is, go for the iPhone 4. It's a great device in many, many respects.

If you want to be able to truly customize your phone, like having more options and you use Google to manage your life, go for the Desire. But be prepared to think it's ****e in about 9 months, when we'll be getting Android phones with dual core processors!

If I had a choice between the Desire and iPhone 4 right now, I don't know what I'd choose, to be honest. But I'm leaning more towards the Desire (though that doesn't mean the iPhone isn't great).
[Desire General] Nekromantik:
I have always said if you WANT a good camera and are serious about taking pictures that you really need good quality pictures then why on earth would you use a mobile phone. So using that as a an excuse to buy a phone is stupid if u ask me. You can get much better pictures with a £200 digital camera which costs half the price of the Iphone 4.
[Desire General] JohnSteveDoe:
Really?

http://www.pcworld.com/article/199845-2/smartphone_camera_battle_iphone_4_vs_the_android_army.html
[Desire General] jannen:
Isnt it great we have options? Some will be happy with iphone some with Desire. I know people who love their 10yr old Nokias. These phones do lot of things but unfortunately we cant put them in a ring to fight against each other. Its pointless tit tat whos the best: it simply depends on the user.
[Desire General] Quist:
I've never owned an Apple computer, an ipod or an iphone, but I think that Apple does two things well: (1) Mass marketing - they really cash in on the "identity-defining" product packaging that goes over well with a large part of the consumer market and (2) user interfaces - they seem to be able to make things work in a way that makes technical advancement accessible to the masses. They also seem to find some unique approaches to certain challenges.

Looking at the specs and reviews of the iPhone 4, I like the look of the high-res display and the quality of the camera on stills and video. On those fronts, I doubt our Desire can challenge the Apple. Even comparisons of the Galaxy S super-amoled display with the iPhone 4 seem to give the Apple the edge, simply because of the pixel density. Mind you, Apple just raised the bar on this front and higher pixel density displays will be forthcoming from other providers. Depending on how specifically Apple managed to patent-protect their camera sensor solution, I'd be surprised if we didn't also see similar, comparable or better solutions along the same line from other manufacturers within the next 6 months.

The biggest downsides in my mind's eye are Apple's top-down control of the platform and the apps, and the price that is twice that of what you might pay for the likes of the Legend, the Motorola XT720, SE X8 etc. and almost twice of what you'd pay for top-end units like the Desire, Galaxy S or Evo 4G.

I have always hated the way many early iPhone user's credited Apple with inventing things that my WinMo phone's did 2-3 years before and I've consequently been anti-iPhone for a long time. However, as iPhone user's became more technically savvy, this has been changing and we're seeing loads of cross-overs back and forth between the iPhone, Android and WinMo. If or when the iPhone 4 gets jailbroken, I may even get one myself to taste some of what they have to offer.

Still, for more technically skilled users, I think it will come down to what the platforms can offer AFTER modifications, while for less technically inclined users, it will be a matter of the balance between ease-of-use and utility WITHOUT modification. Add to that the major impact that price will have and you get a good picture of how things will shape up. In the mean time, those of us with Desires aren't wanting for much! Just my 10 cents.
[Desire General] jimlad:
lol @ pcworld tech advice.

edit: really i'm still laughing lmfao....
[Desire General] peterlan:
Funny. I work with a guy that reminds of you. He once read a book about psychology. Now he thinks he is a Sigmund Freud of some kind. He is convinced that he is unbelievably good at judging people, often he just have to look at them. He can read peoples mind easy..

The funny bit is that he hasn't a clue. He is totally worthless when it comes to judging people. He is wrong all the.

He is also an Apple-fan... :D
[Desire General] shaundalglish:
They're full of crap. Look at the pics yourself, you'll see that the iPhone does NOT AT ALL take better pictures than the Desire.

(which makes sense, since they use pretty much the exact same camera hardware - only the iPhone's software handles some things differently, but not necessarily better)
[Desire General] shaundalglish:
A dedicated camera can't replace a phone. I have the phone always with me, but not the camera. Furthermore, if I buy a camera, I still have to buy a phone also.

Nevertheless, it's a lie that the iPhone takes better pictures. It's got the exact same camera that other phones, like the Desire, use. But unfortunately, every time Apple catches up to others, the tech world is all over it and somehow they manage to make people believe Apple does it better, despite that it's not true at all.

Heck, they even managed to make people believe the iPhone 3GS' crappy 3 megapixel camera was as good as others. Total bull****, but of course now that Apple has finally caught up, they can make people believe Apple is better. Again, total bull****.
[Desire General] al89nut:
The iPhone is without doubt prettier and looks more expensive than our rubber backed friend. Beyond that, horses for courses, though the video editing software could so with a matching andriod app.
[Desire General] dragonithe:
I don't belive that Apple has the best camera of smartphones in his Iphone 4.

While it could be that it's better then the Desire, i can't believe it would be better then the camera of the Sony Erricson Xperia X10.
[Desire General] jimlad:
ok i have stopped laughing now, I have read the article and all the comments (most of which are fanboytastic drivel one way or the other) and well the most sensible thing i read was this

and yes photo C was the worst picture from the iphone and the other photos brought it's score up.. well photo C is the one most people are going to take for starters.

Where are the photo's from the two dedicated camers you know the ones the iphone apparently beat (in two tests).

pointless comparison with no proof?
[Desire General] ljesh:
See the flag of my country? :)

I imported Desire since it cannot be found in my country (yet) and that is how much it costed me in the end (including the SIM unlock - 20 euro) :)

EDIT: I forgot to say something on the previous post, and I wont do the same now:

iPhone is great. Great for competition. And competition is good for end customers -> me.

I don't want iPhone to disappear. I just wont buy that product because of so many reasons (after watching Jobs telling an iPhone buyer that he is holding the phone wrong, I unistalled every Apple (quicktime, itunes...) on my PC. Sorry, I was angry), simple as that.
[Desire General] Nightstalker79:
Funny thing about psychologist, they are totally illiterate when it comes to technologies. Remembering the time my psychologist ask me for advice on which phone to get cause she never used one before and this was just last year, I flat out told her to get a nokia 6300 cause anything more would make her head explode.