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[HD2 General] watcher64:
No .. only windows ...
[EVO 4G Accessories] xtkxhom3r:
are there any class 6 16 or 32 gb cards?

my class 6 8gb card just died and im looking to get more space to get rid of my ipod but i dont think a class 2 card would be fast enough to handle 12gb worth of music fluidly like a ipod....

i tried looking for some san disk class 6 cards but i can only find class 2 16 and 32gb cards

and some random "ts" cards that say their class 6 which i really doubt they are
[EVO 4G Accessories] RickBaller:
http://www.amazon.com/Transcend-mic...1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1277324728&sr=8-1
[EVO 4G Accessories] xtkxhom3r:
lmao i feel stupid now thanks a lot bro i think i might buy that card then
[EVO 4G Accessories] xtkxhom3r:
so i found a class 10!! 16gb card on amazon by kingston what do you guys think? 30 more bucks than the class 6... worth it?

http://www.amazon.com/Kingston-Flas...?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1277329602&sr=1-14
[EVO 4G Accessories] M@XLOL:
IF you decided on class ten get it here

http://www.buy.com/prod/214112824.html
[EVO 4G Accessories] xtkxhom3r:
the ebay is 100 bucks total with shipping and will take atleast a week to get here no thanks. and the buy.com one is 10 bucks cheaper so i might buy it there
[EVO 4G Accessories] daichiasuka:
I've had this card for a few days. No complaints thus far.
[EVO 4G Accessories] xtkxhom3r:
i did it i bought the class 10 :) it should be here tomorrow or the day after ill let you guys know how the media player responds compared to the iphone....

btw anyone know of any good media players or is the htc one still the best one?
[EVO 4G Accessories] chazglenn3:
Just curious...what makes a flash memory card die? There are no moving parts...
[EVO 4G Accessories] midri:
They have a set read/write limit and sometimes they just die (faulty)
[EVO 4G Accessories] red man:
just becarefull buying cards on ebay. they tried to fraud my friend for 2 sony 8gb cards, fake!!!!. i did get his money back for him :D
[EVO 4G Accessories] mistersquirrle:
They get kinda warm, or even kinda hot, and can burn out. Especially in the Evo, underneath the battery, which already can easily get >100 deg. F, and not being able to vent.. yeah. Also if it's a cheap card it can just be made really crappy and r/w operations can damage the memory
[EVO 4G Accessories] vellpike:
How do you verify the card is real? I bought a 16gb class 2 from eBay. It says scandisk on it and it only cost 26 bucks. I haven't seemed to have problems with it, but worried about the overheating.
[EVO 4G Accessories] jerryparid:
Use h2testw to check for capacity. You can't really tell if it is sandisk or not. Check the read/write speed using atto disk benchmark.

Anyways, a class 2 16 gb microsd goes for ~30-33 on Amazon via third party seller/fufilled by Amazon (less likely to be fake)
[EVO 4G Accessories] mistersquirrle:
if you have a sandisk chip that you know is genuine, compare the two chips. Other wise Google image for a sandisk chip and compare. I think that sandisk usually has a serial or part number on the chip. Not sure of the details but I've heard that fakes are usually lacking something. Also compare the size and build quality to the chip that came with the phone. Sometimes fakes are slightly larger or have crappy glue jobs. Google how to detect a fake. There's some good info. Most of it is what I said.
[EVO 4G Accessories] vellpike:
Ok conducted a test and got this.

Warning: Only 15101 of 15193 MByte tested.

Test finished without errors.

You can now delete the test files *.h2w or verify them again.

Writing speed: 3.57 MByte/s

Reading speed: 13.9 MByte/s

H2testw v1.4

Thanks for all your help guys!!! Looks like I have a good card.
[EVO 4G Accessories] xtkxhom3r:
i just got the 16gb class 10 card and here are the benches. im also testing the stock card the phone came with. enjoy!

btw i tried fixing the pics but i dont know why they are coming out like that i give up...

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z182/xtkxhom3r/****/class10hdtune.png

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z182/xtkxhom3r/****/class10crystalmark.png

here is the stock card

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z182/xtkxhom3r/****/class2hdtune.png

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z182/xtkxhom3r/****/class2crystalmark.png
[EVO 4G Accessories] xtkxhom3r:
so i synced all my music and pics and the card works great just as fast as the itouch... but now it brings me to another issue.... the itouch is louder :( the evo is loud enough but it just kills me to know that i could go louder on my itouch this is bull****
[EVO 4G Accessories] trukenx:
which is card to get ?

you know... i personally would go with some 8 gig class six models, example, transcend is selling the 16gig class 6 for 64.99 on new egg but also selling the 8 gig class 6 for 19.99.... which means you could get 24 gigs for less with over 5 dollars to spare which you could use to get a nice 5.99 2.0 card reader all free shipping. besides most custom roms and all future android updates use apps to sd which shortens the life of you sd, why put all your eggs in one basket? i had 2x 8 gig cards on my g1 using apps to sd for a year and a half and never opened the second 8 gig card sold it in its package when i sold my g1 had 1 gig ext3 partition 256 mb swap, plus over 2 gig of music and a bunch of t.v shows its hard to fill up an 8gig card on a mobile device.
[EVO 4G Accessories] _Burst_:
I wish I knew about the class 10. I just got an AData 16gb class 6 for $59.99 to replace my other one that went bad.
[EVO 4G Accessories] IceCreaMan:
the problem with multiple cards is your apps and data. you install an app to sdcard1, run out space and slap in card 2, the app you just installed will not work. since our sdcards are under the battery, its not as easy to flip flop between sdcards as if the sdcard was just under the battery cover or on the side panel. i feel what you are saying though about the costs/savings as that would make much more sense, everyone just needs to determine what is practical for them.

my stock 8gb is full with movies and podcasts so i would like one big card so i can leave my 60gb ipod on the shelf and only use it when i know i wont be able to charge the evo while on the go or out somewhere.
[EVO 4G Accessories] xtkxhom3r:
lmao having multiple cards sucks and how do you plan on swaping cards if you have your apps saved to sd..... and yea having a swap or ap2sd will shorten the life spand but if you buy a good card like san disk and kingston by the time your card starts failing you would be over due for a upgrade anyways....
[EVO 4G Accessories] ryohei47:
whats the cheapest 16gb microsd class 6 out there?
[EVO 4G Accessories] mistersquirrle:
Search Amazon, or Newegg, or even Google, and you'll find your answers. Although cheaper means your not spending more, it could mean that the sd card will break faster or only be about the same as a lower class card, and you could end up having to buy a new card and end up spending more. Be sure to read reviews of whatever card you end up buying if you do infact buy something that isn't a big brand (like Sandisk, Kingston, etc.)
[EVO 4G Accessories] davida72:
you guys need to be looking at newegg.com

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&Description=micro%20sdhc&bop=And&Order=PRICED&PageSize=20
[EVO 4G Accessories] sgt. slaughter:
New to the whole class thing for SD cards and the benefit's for using them in phones here.

I know the Class # referrs to the data transfer rate to an extent.

Are there any advantages to using a Class 10 vs a Class6 on the Evo, that is besides the faster speed of transfering files form your PC to the card??

I know with some high end camera's you can see an improvement in performance for longgg burst shots if you have a higher class card but thats also on high end cameras and not a phone.

Just didn't know if somehow the higher class would allow the phone to read the data on the card faster or not, b/c this would make a difference once 2.2 is released and you can install apps on the SD card no?

Thanks in advance.
[EVO 4G Accessories] wase4711:
been using cheapo class 2 cards in my devices(phones, cameras, games,etc) for the last 10 years and NEVER had a failure in anything..I think some of you are falling prey to marketing hype...
[EVO 4G Accessories] sgt. slaughter:
then ii assume there are no advantages of the higher class cards other than they transfer data from computer to the card faster then?

no advantage to using higher class cards on the evo?
[EVO 4G Accessories] wase4711:
none..

higher speed cards might bring a benefit in a camera, if you are doing high speed, burst type of photos, but to think that somehow something is "faster" in a cell phone with a higher speed card is just something that the card manufacturers want you to believe, so you pay even more for "higher class"cards, and they make even greater profit..

And, BTW, don't necessarily dismiss "off brand" cards, assuming they are cheaply made knock offs. SanDisk, Kingston,PNY, and other manufacturers make cards for ALOT of companies that end up selling them for ALOT less than the "name brand"..Not too long ago, I got some "Polaroid" branded 16gig microSD cards at

Fry's for 24 bucks, that were made by PNY..I know this because the rebate checks came from PNY!
[EVO 4G Accessories] radar5:
If it says scandisk, it's probably fake :D
[EVO 4G Accessories] fsuwade:
Here is one that i think i might be getting just for the fact its a class 6 and 16gb.

AData has been around for a while with computer ram. but i am sure this will work and has a lifetime limited war.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...lickDeals-_-NA-_-NA-_-NA&Item=N82E16820211245
[EVO 4G Accessories] bryank930:
That one appears to be a full-sized SDHC card. Not the micro that will fit in the phone.
[EVO 4G Accessories] os10:
i got a 16gb TOPRAM brand microsd, class 4, for ~$33 on eBay a couple of weeks ago. transferring multi-GBs at 4mb/s is pretty tedious, but it's cheap and it works.
[EVO 4G Accessories] jasonziter:
Class 6 15gb

Got a class 6 16 gb off of Amazon. I was in best buy the other day and they don't even sell 16 gb, let alone class 6. The 8 gb they had was class 2 and they wanted 100 bucks for it. I got mine (Maxell) off Amazon for 45 bucks with shipping. The "geek squad dudes" didn't even know the difference on class 2 vs 6. What a joke that place is. Now I know why we have the bar code scanner app.
[EVO 4G Accessories] chococrazy:
The whole reason why it was "off brand" was because it didn't pass PNY's Quality Control. So they sell them cheap to off brand companies who then sell them cheap.
[EVO 4G Accessories] jimmiekain:
here is the unboxing i did of a 8gb class 6 transcend micro sd a few months ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTgbLQrRZUo

yes i still have it and yes it still works perfectly!
[EVO 4G Accessories] scirio:
You overpaid. AND i wouldn't even trust A-Data with dummy files.
[EVO 4G Accessories] Mecha2142:
I've been using that same A-DATA card for a year now. I haven't experienced a single problem.
[EVO 4G Accessories] danknee:
Something great about Transcend is the lifetime warranty. I had a class 6 8GB card since I got a hero 9 months ago. I used A2SD and swap, had multiple partitions and managed to kill the card after heavy use and an incident with heavy writing and a simultaneous reboot.

From their website I submitted an RMA (lifetime warranty on flash type memory). I mailed my card in a regular envelope taped inside of some thin cardboard and inside the card reader, regular envelope with a 44cent stamp.

One week later I got a brand new card and it is now housed within my Evo. Awesome warranty, great support.
[EVO 4G Accessories] M@XLOL:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Transcend-16gb-...emory_Cards&hash=item255b8271ca#ht_544wt_1139

This looks legit
[EVO 4G Accessories] crazyjoezx:
I'm on a class 2 ,8gb now and just started thinking about up grading to a higher class....just how noticeable is the difference coming from a 2 to like a 6 or 10 ?....normal daily use w/ apps2sd ...don't rly use it for music at all....

Thanks
[EVO 4G Accessories] sablesurfer:
Bad info on generic cards and read speeds!

Ok, since at work I don't even recall which post it was, but there was some very misleading information in there about cards.

Yes, major brands will sell product to the lesser brands.

BUT...this does NOT make it same QUALITY as what the major brand sells. They run their own benchmarks on batches and batches that do not pass their inspection are sold off to the lesser brand.

This happens in pretty much every industry, but especially in computer related products. Memory stick makers and even processor companies do the same thing all the time.

Yes, there is a big difference in write speeds between Class 2 and Class 6/8. (Other poster said there wasn't)

BUT...this speed will only apply to things that work at that speed. On the Evo I would expect a big difference in camera write speeds using an 8 megapixal camera. Your video and photos will write that much faster and you will be ready for next shot that much sooner. (Yes, I know phone does not have all capabilities of digital, but it still has to write all that data to card.)

Now...the ultimate question, which I have not seen asked/answered...is can this phone use those speeds? Is there a hardware cap somewhere that would limit its own data transfer to a Class 10? That would be the question that would be most important.
[EVO 4G Accessories] Agfadoc:
I can't be certain, but all of your bookmark info, news info and pictures are stored on the card.

I put a slower card I had in my EVO (known to be below class performance) and the bookmark pictures, crawled to open, the music titles and artwork took much longer to load, so IMHO I think the faster cards will have the benefit of A. faster transfer speeds in transferring files and B. faster image refresh on the phone. I put the 8 meg Class 2 back in and everything sped right up, I expect my class 6 16gb to arrive today and I'll check it out.
[EVO 4G Accessories] amallama:
I managed to find a class 6 16gb on ebay for about $45..so far no issues
[EVO 4G Accessories] fatboypup:
I bought my 16gb class 6 from newegg.com prolly a few bucks more than eBay but I'm used to the eggs super fast shipping.
[EVO 4G Accessories] wase4711:
You are confused dude..

you said you put a class 2, 8 meg card in and everything sped right up..class 2 is the SLOWEST card out there, so, if putting THAT card sped everything back up, then why would you buy a class 6???

Class 2 cards work FINE in a cell phone, so anyone paying big bucks for anything faster than that is just wasting $$$$$
[EVO 4G Accessories] Agfadoc:
Hey Dude.. I have a card that doesn't classify up to the class 2 standard 2MB/s, a cheap knockoff that is slower than dirt but works fine in my blackberry and my sansa but reports that it is unknown because the transfer rates don't even meet the class 2 spec.. it runs at 1.0-1.2M/s it says it's a class 2 but it isn't.

A slow card will have slow read times, where your data and music is stored...

So When I put in a "real" class 2 that performs at 2.5 -3MB/s it runs faster, the EVO is smoother when you have the sense screen open the music tab or the bookmarks tab.

Faster IS better.. Maybe there is a point where the return on investment stops for the EVO, where the card is faster than the device I/O can utilize, but it absolutely transfers faster and reads faster.

My Amazon 16gb Class 6 Transcend came today and it doesn't format. Amazon is sending me another one, but I am going to test it, and I anticipate that I'll like it more, because it's faster...
[EVO 4G Accessories] wase4711:
I thought Class 2 was the slowest..

I have a trick that might help you format the transcend card.

First try to format it in your computer somehow...

Then, throw it in a digital camera, and format it in there..

Then, throw it in your phone and format it

I've used this "trick" about 5 times recently to get SD cards to work in my EVO..
[EVO 4G Accessories] willy900wonka:
IIRC memory power usage is bus clock dependent and well documented by the mfgs. All other things being equal I would choose memory based on optimal performance to power use. Just to conserve battery. That would mean finding the bus speed of the evo and using that to search the specifications for the lowest power consumption. There's always a trade off. It's probably price to amperage. A common mfg practice is to use less than perfect high capacity cards as lower capacity ones, fused to hide the extra silicon.

But the extra silicon does"leak" power.
[EVO 4G Accessories] Agfadoc:
Thanks for the tip, class 2 is the slowest, but it doesn't stop EBay vendors from selling cards cheap that haven't met a manufacturers standards and speed specs.

I don't buy from eBay for that reason anymore... burn me once...
[Hero CDMA General] cteneyck:
According to CM's Twitter.

"CM6 targets: Nexus One, Droid, Dream, Magic, Desire, Evo, Slide :)"

Then he later tweeted

"Add HeroC to the list too :)"
[Hero CDMA General] illogic6:
http://androidandme.com/2010/06/news/8-android-phones-will-get-froyo-early-thanks-to-cyanogenmod/
[Hero CDMA General] Kfunk:
Now that is some good news!
[Hero CDMA General] cteneyck:
just started to read your thread. looks like you guys have it covered in the froyo announcement

Mods can delete if you want
[Hero CDMA General] gunnyman:
Hot diggity damn. I'm so glad we have a vibrant development community on the Hero. Unlike that icky moment. :D Only 2-3 active devs on that phone and only ONE of them is still putting out new stuff.
[Hero CDMA General] animal7296:
Must have missed it but I thought you went to the dark side with the moment. Did you come back?
[Hero CDMA General] OtisFeelgood:
This definitely makes up for some devs leaving for the Evo. ;o
[Hero CDMA General] mrinehart93:
So I guess Cyanogen is going to put out a ROM for the Hero??? AWESOME!!!!!!!!!! BTW, is HeroC that CDMA hero, or is that the GSM Hero???
[Hero CDMA General] unCoRrUpTeD:
HeroC is Sprint CMDA Hero
[Hero CDMA General] overthinkingme:
is the Cyanogen Mod an AOSP rom as well?
[Hero CDMA General] gunnyman:
Yes, I clicked my heels 3 times and suddenly found myself here. There's no place like home.
[Hero CDMA General] mrinehart93:
Yeap

10char.......adfadf
[Hero CDMA General] gunnyman:
Yes. Darch's darchdroid is and someone correct me if I'm wrong, pretty much a port of CM5
[Hero CDMA General] mrinehart93:
Yeap it's pretty much the exact same as CM5. Atleast if you look at the changelog in CM5 and DarchDroid it's the same.
[Hero CDMA General] overthinkingme:
so we'll have TWO aosp roms?.... O_o

Darch should be recruited hehe
[Hero CDMA General] gunnyman:
That would be awesome and would really help getting XDA devs working together instead of competing.
[Hero CDMA General] overthinkingme:
Yea, a whole _xda-dev-team_ hehe

But I be it would be hard, different people have different aims/ devices..

I have a Hero and want it lean and fast..

Some others might prefer a balance or maybe all eye candy..

I hope Darch's froyo build is as lean and minimal as Darchdroid 2.7..
[Hero CDMA General] mrinehart93:
My guess is that Darch's FroYo build will be the exact same as DarchDroid, but just built on FroYo instead of Eclair. My guess is that Cyanogen's build will be the same as Darch's build.
[Hero CDMA General] HeroMeng:
Yes. DarchDroid is built from CyanogenMos 5.0.8.
[Hero CDMA General] illogic6:
If I understand correctly, Darchdroid is CyanogenMod 5 complied for Heroc. We won't have two AOSP ROMs unless Darch decides to make his own changes which didn't seem like his original goal.
[Hero CDMA General] Jus10o:
Darch posted someowhere else, he got cyanogen to support the hero.

Im sure darch will just be taking cyanogen source like he does already. But cyanogen might be helping with the bugs we run into (MMS, wake issues, etc..) so he is supporting the heroc, but im sure darch will be releasing it, so we dont have 2 roms competing against each other of the same thing.

Darchs release he is working on now is probably just a simple froyo rom. Probably not anything special like cyanogen mods do.
[Hero CDMA General] overthinkingme:
Well unless Darch just lets CM do it..I think we'll have two...Darch is already working on it. But why speculate on someone else's actions ..when all we have to do is wait? lol
[Hero CDMA General] mrinehart93:
^ Because we're anxious!!! Darch said he is ALMOST DONE COMPILING IT!!!!!!!!!! I'm gonna die from the suspense!!!
[Hero CDMA General] gunnyman:
I don't want this cyanogen news to detract from how amazing our devs already are. We have quite the talent here. :) Just thought I'd get that out there.
[Hero CDMA General] centran:
I assume we will be able to use our current kernels with 2.2 because if not then we will lose the camera again.
[Hero CDMA General] Jus10o:
We can use our current kernels. Even toasts godmode .29 kernel.
[Hero CDMA General] illogic6:
I was trying to research the kernel version stuff to get an understanding of my own. This wikipedia page shows that 2.2 uses a newer kernel version. Could that potentially lead to hardware compatibility issues?
[Hero CDMA General] Sliceburg:
Wow this is great news!
[Hero CDMA General] Tipharet:
If thats the case why do we lose camera functionality on Darchs upcoming Froyo?

Its still crazy to me that guy just graduated HS. I mean srsly. If I had the tech skills I have now when I was graduating HS I would probably be a millionaire.
[Hero CDMA General] gu1dry:
Darchstar is going to be the lead dev on the HeroC version of CM6, much like koush, is the lead dev for the Droid.
[Hero CDMA General] epitaphromance:
i gotta change my pants.
[Hero CDMA General] cteneyck:
If Darch doesn't have a CM Froyo port up by sat. i'll compile a 2.2 rom and post it.
[Hero CDMA General] tejasrichard:
Well, considering that I am posting this from my hero running 2.2, courtesy of darch and decad3nce, I'll go out on a limb and say it'll be posted b4 saturday. ;)
[Hero CDMA General] cteneyck:
what kernel?
[Hero CDMA General] cteneyck:
can you post a screeny of the system nfo
[Hero CDMA General] tejasrichard:
Sure, but gimme a sec..i havent put any apps back on yet, so gotta get shootme etc.

Well crap. Superuser isnt working and without it, neither is my screen capture app. I know, I know, pics or gtfo....but there were at least 70 people in irc last night who can verify cause they also flashed.
[Hero CDMA General] cteneyck:
cool. is darch still using the .29 kernel?
[Hero CDMA General] tejasrichard:
K. Here is what i got:

Version- 2.2

baseband- 2.42.01.04.27

kernel- 2.6.29-GoDmOdE-OC-BFS

toastcfh@OlDsChOoL #90
[Hero CDMA General] cteneyck:
is ther kernel the 2.6.29?
[Hero CDMA General] tejasrichard:
Oops. You mst have been posting while i was editing. Yes, it is the .29, no, camera doesnt work yet.
[Hero CDMA General] tkirton:
Right now, I'm running Buufed 2.0d with a 2.6.34 kernel and all functions work. The kernel appears to have Darchstar's signature on it, so if Darch's involved (and potentially Cyanogen), we have a really good chance of getting a fully working Froyo without the hardware issues.
[Hero CDMA General] cteneyck:
what kernel version is it 2.6.34. whats the extra version nfo. its prolly from cyanogen

http://github.com/cyanogen/cm-kernel
[Hero CDMA General] cteneyck:
thank you sir

i am semi proficient at compiling kernels and android source but not at all good with source code or programing. i think i will be compiling this weekend
[Hero CDMA General] gu1dry:
Well Darchstar is currently working on a .32 kernel to have majority of the remaining issues resolved (mainly GPS & Camera).
[Hero CDMA General] xlilo:
What's the latest status on CM6 for the Hero? Can't seem to find any progress info?

Xlilo
[Hero CDMA General] Papa Smurf151:
Lmao really dude. Do u check out the dev forum much. There's a whole thread on it
[Hero CDMA General] xlilo:
Can you point me to those forum's? It's just that the github commits are very quiet for the moment (for CM6 Hero)
[Hero CDMA General] ericFuels999:
EDIT:delete post
[Hero CDMA General] dsMA:
cm6 and sense?

This may have been asked and might be stupid but am I correct in that the CM6 ROM for the Hero (which will bring 2.2 to the Hero) will not include Sense?