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[EVO 4G General] techs1200:
Input lag is an issue that affects ALL evo users, not just gamers.

There is a full half second delay when scrolling up and down. You can try it yourself in the Settings app, just swipe your finger up or down real fast and the screen lags behind your finger's movement.

Its really lame, especially for a phone this powerful.
[EVO 4G General] Cicatrize:
It's not just the fps. The input frequency is lowered as well. So, not only does scrolling through menus look blurry and doesn't follow your finger very well, there's also a lag behind it to begin with. The touch frequency is 30Hz, and the display rate is 30fps. Those two combined creates a visually disgusting appearance. Because the hardware is capable of much more is NOT the reason we're pissed off; that's just more reason to justify why it should be doing what we expect. Would you buy a 1080p 55" LCD for $2000 if it showed all your blu-rays at 12fps? I certainly wouldn't.
[EVO 4G General] Klasickwun:
hmmm

Ive been reading XDA for a while just never posted anything... Im sorry but sablesurfer didnt do anything wrong.. I see a fight starting now.... lol
[EVO 4G General] MrDSL:
I know you have been working on this also..so are you returning the phone or are you confident this will get ironed out? I'm just asking for your personal opinion.
[EVO 4G General] Cicatrize:
I'd rather not give my personal opinion because people will probably take it as facts. :P

What I will tell you is that I do not see any evidence in the kernel of specific instructions for the supersonic to throttle the fps, whether it be halting refresh or alternating the framebuffer. This is not to say that it's not there; I just haven't found it yet. Everything is a little confusing because we don't have the official source, and even without the HDMI drivers, it's still throttled, meaning that it can't be the HDMI driver code stealing the frames.

To answer your question, I probably will not return the phone. I still love it.
[EVO 4G General] hancod:
This thread absolutely applies to me. I have tried to follow a few of the others on this topic, but they quickly became overly technical or a sounding board for anyone that has to find fault.

Cicatrize - Thank you for the concise answer to the question. I am not a "superuser" of this phone, yet, but agree that the delayed input is a bit bothersome. It's good to know that THAT is the outcome that effects me most.
[EVO 4G General] coolguy949:
Agreed. It became even more bothersome to me last night when my buddy's ancient G1 was smoother than my phone. He actually noticed it before I had a chance to tell him. He said it looked choppy and blurry when swiping desktops and scrolling. The input lag seemed to really annoy him too.

Sent from my HTC EVO using the XDA app.
[EVO 4G General] krazyflipj:
Thanks OP for starting this thread. I was wondering the same thing
[EVO 4G General] engagedtosmile:
Because I paid for a phone with a 1Ghz Snapdragon processor so I wouldn't get spanked in performance by similiar phones. Yet, we are.

It's like buying a really nice car but its limited to 75MPH. Really.
[EVO 4G General] GHOST99K:
dont forget the PSX emulator coming soon for androids so the EVO gonna need more then the HTC 30fps capp.
[EVO 4G General] liquidkernel:
Mostly because my Hero with a processor that's half the clock speed is smoother. My friend's N1 runs the same CPU and is ridiculously smoother.
[EVO 4G General] krazyflipj:
So i installed godmode kernel and i can tell the difference with FPS limit unlocked in terms of scrolling and such.
[EVO 4G General] -shift-:
godmode kernel?

excuse my ignorance, but can you please explain or provide a link? thanks!
[EVO 4G General] Cicatrize:
http://tinyurl.com/28h8a5q
[EVO 4G General] sherman901:
I'm with you. That dude is a doucher.
[EVO 4G General] Pops_G:
Here are a few reasons why you should care.

1) Open the app list and scroll down, once you get to the bottom notice how it begins to get choppy.

2) Open your contact list, do a fast swipe down. Notice how the speed of the scrolling is inconsistent. It will appear to speed up then slow down, then speed up again.

3) Open Settings > Applications > Manage Applications. Note how it will just freeze while loading for a good while. It does this for me even with just 3 applications installed. Now compare that too this video at the 30 second mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep-FmGxIGBM

4) Load Google Earth, zoom into your location. Now compare the FPS and smoothness of the app to the Nexus One.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY54C9FEX2o

There are 4 reasons. I could do more. Point is, you paid for a top end phone, HTC has imposed a limitation on your phone to slow it down. Are you okay with that?
[EVO 4G General] sablesurfer:
This is related to slow graphics? I do not see that issue as a graphics processor issue. The whole thing just freezes up and then it takes a long time to load the icons. In the olden' days I'd called that a memory or processor issue. (Might be software now a days.)

Definitly would not have pegged that as a GPU issue.

No, I totally get where people are coming from saying if you buy a Ferrari you expect to do 200mph. No issue there, but then this phone is amazingly faster than my old one...so my world view may be a bit different than the uber-phoners here. ;)
[EVO 4G General] coolguy949:
To my knowledge this is not related to the 30 FPS issue. The latest OTA really sped up the phone and now the Manage Applications screen loads significantly faster. It's possible the video has a post-OTA build.
[EVO 4G General] Cicatrize:
Edited the above to clearly state that this is something completely unexpected from a device with this sort of specification.

It's not even fair to say "you wouldn't buy a Ferrari if it only did 70mph" or like statements, now that I think about it. I think it'd be more proper to say "how would you feel if you spent $180,000 on a Ferrari, brought it home, then realized it only goes to 4000RPM and tops out at 70mph?"
[EVO 4G General] mrmomoman:
Pretty fair analogy buy i would say 8000rpm and 185mph. As you are getting at least 90% of.what you expected from car.but probably will never push it 10/10th of its potential. My 997 turbo can reach 198mph but i have only put it at 168 at the track. I most likely will never know.its full.potential. since i have no need to reach those insane speeds i will never really know if it will actually top out as they claim. So in essense most users will never understand the gripe about 30fps limits as they most likely will never push it hard enough to reach its limits. This phone is more thank quick enough or me. I have ran all of the OC kernels and have settled back to almost stock. The slight lag doesn't affect my tasks the phone. A few milliseconds hasn't frustrated me yet :) i do like froyos smoother transitions but its not critical. I think the OP has the same thoughts about the want over need as i do. I watch video and its buttery smooth even streamed from my server at home.

For the gamers i understand. But i have an xbox,ps3 and pc for that.

For the guy who said he was embarrassed to show his friends that his top of the line EVO is not the king of the phone world....Seriously?

Different strokes for different folks...
[EVO 4G General] MrDSL:
When my EVO lags more then say my friends old Hero scrolling.

Yes that is embarassing..
[EVO 4G General] mrmomoman:
yeah but it does other things much faster no?

My Blackberry lasts twice as long as my EVO :) But I don't tell anyone :)

Things will get smoothed out, no pun, soon enough..

The phone hasn't been out a month yet.
[EVO 4G General] topdnbass:
Well if you don't care about gaming, input lag or benchmarks you probably won't notice a thing.. which is what HTC was banking on.

Also the avg user would need to compare two devices side by side to truly notice the purported motion lag.

The problem is that HTC lied. Going on their homepage right now its impossible to not notice the huge flash anim. that says evo is the most powerful phone in the universe.

Were paying the same or more for our phones but getting a fraction of the performance.

I was very excited about gaming on this device, and the first game I tried playing was asphalt and its impossible to play!!

The most powerful phone in the universe my ass.

It hardly compares to my g1 in gaming and general smoothness.

Sent from my Evo 4G
[EVO 4G General] MrDSL:
Like I said input lag is my only issue. I don't game on my phone actually but 6 months down the road I might.

My old flip verizon phone lasts 2 days longer than my EVO :)

No doubt its early which is why I am keeping my EVO. I just can't give up the dev community that we have here. I have however learned a valuable lesson.

Wait about 3 weeks after that awesome phone I want to get is released, then buy it!
[EVO 4G General] kellte2:
QFTT, but I'm still happy with the phone overall.
[EVO 4G General] topdnbass:
1) I experience it. As it comes to a halt there is judder and it's not perfectly smooth at all.

2) Same thing as before, but can't say it slows down and speeds up. Constant speed.

3) Unrelated phenomenon.

However, that's strange.. Even on my old G1 it took forever. I just did it now on my evo and it took about 30 seconds for it all to come up and then i got a force close LOL. Hit wait.. Waiting for the icons to loaddd..

Whole process took about 40 seconds + a force close. Vs. that videos instant..

I think that in the video you posted it's a "vanilla install" without any bloatware etc. I have sooo many more apps that need to load up. You can notice it by the size of the scroll bar..

HTC Fail?

Something funny I noticed is that scrolling through these apps even though I have so much more than i have contacts or apps it's completely smooth, nothing like the previous 2.. No matter how fast I scroll.

4) If you turn off some of the layers like the guy has in that video it runs just about the same for me..
[EVO 4G General] patelkedar91:
Yeah I'm worried I won't be able to play the PS games on the Evo, but people with the Incredible can.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szOje7dcRlo

This is the result of the 30fps cap.

There was that one guy who put on the kernel to get rid of the 30fps cap... and he didn't have the touch input lag as seen above.

HTC best get this fixed... or I'm going to consistently e-mail them.

This is big cause this big screen = meant for gaming.

I would like this to be fixed cause I like to game on this phone too.

Edit: And the touch input lag is really annoying. Like I noticed it first because the Iphone/Pre doesn't have this problem, nor does the Incredible.

You really notice it when you're playing a game. It's like you're playing a RTS game online and you have dialup, so when you tell a unit to go somewhere, it performs the action 1-2 full seconds later.

Cut scenes in games = lag.

Scrolling through apps = jidders at the end.

When I bought this phone, I thought all Android phones were like this.

I will never own a phone that actually scrolls through apps without lag, eh?

Palm Pre couldn't do it. I was really expecting the Evo to atleast do that.... meh, no.
[EVO 4G General] warmthsound:
For the people wondering what the big deal is and why it even matters even to your most pedestrian user, I suggest applying the hack. Night and day performance, even without overclocking.
[EVO 4G General] sablesurfer:
Ok, so we have a list of reasons, thanks!

Now about the hack that is suggested. This kernel that will lift the FPS cap. It only works for certain screens right? The first set of screens (novo or something) will not be affected by this and you have to have some reporting app to find out what screen you have..right?

So say you have the newer screen that this kernel works for...a newb question:

- Is this something that can just be applied/added like an app or is it part of ROMs where you have to root and apply new rom?

Many of the threads say things like...'just apply kernel'...or 'it is included in xxxx'. So not sure the basics here and can't find anything about how to apply just a kernel to the phone.

Anyway, I have found a much bigger issue with this phone and google...off to rant about that now.
[Droid Incredible General] marhain:
rooted my phone just fine and got unrevoked reflash to work and new roms. the problem i am having is getting unrevoked to work on my friends phone. i did get the phone rooted suprisingly easy. when i vol - and power on it will NOT give me "USB PLUG" notification and the phone becomes almost unresponsive to volume +/-. as soon as i unplug the usb cable it starts acting normally. i have tried different cables and computers with the same result. it is running hboot .77 and is in all software respects exactly the same as my phone. the weird thing is that his pdanet and sdcard mount normally after phone is booted normally. any thoughts or suggestions?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] frocha:
Hi guys

Sorry my bad english... but i need help...

yesterday my HD2 cellphone began a difficult problem to solve.

The mobile phone detects the 3.5 mm jack without being connected, even inserting the jack and removing it always remains active - on top appears the icon headphones. No sounds at all, only alarm clock - It's mute - no rings - and the calls only by hearphones jack.

Everything was fine yesterday, until I'd transfer some files to the memory card and started giving this problem...the headset appears on all time.

Somebody help me?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] frocha:
Please anyone???

Maybe take it to repair?
[General Topics] pcguru000:
Anyone tried the Nokia n900 on att? I understand that it might not have 3g working but i was curious if it identifies it self as a pda to their network.... could I use the family data plan?

Ive been asking this a lot but I really think it would be beneficial to the community if we had a list of phones that did not id them selves to different networks - as pda's.

Does anyone know how this works?
[General Topics] cmstackar:
I have an "unlimited" data plan on att, and whenever i put it in my unlocked blueangel it says something about getting me a att data plan. I just ignored it, and everything was fine. Put it in a N900, and everything worked, no message from att about my data plan, and no 3G
[Droid Eris Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dusthead:
i'm running windows vista...not a perfectly working OS i might add, but it's worked for this in the past. i wanted to use my old 8gig class 2 SanDisk microSDHC card that came with my phone with the new Eris FroyoKaos ROM. i'm currently using a 8gig Trancender (trancend, whatever) class 6 card (faster than class 2). so i used my micro to standard size SDcard adapter in my computer card reader - and nothing came up. doesn't recognize that there's a card in there.

so i plugged in my phone to the computer, backed up the files i planned to put on the new card, safely unmounted, and put the old card in my phone...and it froze. completely. i took the card out and nothing happened. did a battery pull - put the card back in - powered it on - and it froze after the notification of preparing the sdcard. again, completely.

wtf chuck?

running an Eris with ZenEXP-Eris v7.
[Droid Eris Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] frosteddroid:
id like to know too, after partitioning yesterday about 6 hours into the worked real smooth and i went to my recovery and no zips or any roms i had put on there earlier dont appear anymore and now my phone says i need to reformat? is that the same as repairing the sd:ext thru recovery screen?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tschwenke:
Can someone explain how contact images work?

I do not use facebook or real "square" pictures for the contacts. I just use PNG images that are more assigned by group or by company logo. I usually go the extra step and find some nice PNG's to use. It is easy then to see the phone from afar and know if I should jump up or let it ring. Here is what I have seen...

All my PNG's were entered using Outlook and then HTCSync'd to the phone. This seriously degrades the quality of the image when the phone rings and leaves it with a white background. The image is actually good on everything EXCEPT when the phone rings. This has to do with 95% of the phone where they show images being in a white area already.

If I change the image from the phone using the same PNG, it will then have a BLACK background... This then looks like crap everywhere else EXCEPT when the phone rings. And even then the black background is pretty noticeable.

The stock android "ring" image looks to be like a PNG, image on a clear background, so it looks nice and the shadow looks nice. I.E. not like anything else you can do, you either have WHITE or BLACK background and no choice.

Reading other threads of what people have gone through to get better resolution out of google contacts sounds very similar to what happens here. I don't think there will be any solution, but it sure seems like:

It would be nice to have 2 sources of the image, the one in the contact card and a link to the good png image for the during ring...

Has anyone learned anything or know of anything that has been updated in 2.2 (whenever we get that from Sprint, for those of us that have not rooted)??

Thanks
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pseudoremora:
It seems to me the reason for the poor quality is because in your contacts list (People app), the square images are set to a certain resolution (probably 24x24), so they look good. However, when the phone rings, the resolution is too has to conform to a newer and bigger resolution to display the picture, which in return makes the picture look poor.

I'd say the solution would be to make all of your .pngs a certain resolution (something relatively high... 96x96) maybe? That way, in the People app, they'll be smaller, but also be good quality, and then when someone calls, they should conform to the 96x96 for the max resolution, so you'll get a clear picture there as well.

Does that sense? I import all my pictures from the Facebook sync, which look great on the People application, but poor when the phone rings -- this is most likely due to a static rule being set about the resolution... which you can probably get around by uploading your phone pictures, like you're doing now.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tschwenke:
Yes, makes sense, the worst part is the image background color.. Wish it kept the transparancy. I could tollerate the large/low res image if it were transparent! :)
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] regulator207:
I wonder if there is a way to increase the default resolution so facebook syncs high quality images? I wonder if the facebook sync app can be modified or is this a sense issue?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] esber01:
i wanted to root my phone and all so i can flash a custom rom but i cant root the phone with this new update....anyone know how to do this or if there is a different file to use?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nenn:
the new update hasnt been rooted, therefor you cannot flash custom roms yet.

search the forums for threads that say this, about 15 or so.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] esber01:
thnx for the reply ad ill make sure to search next time
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scotbotmosh:
I think it has been rooted actually..(see the link below & correct me if I am wrong please)

However my ? is different in nature

I started w/ the stock ROM, then used Unrevoked 1 for root & then grabbed the original OTA...is this for me? http://www.unrevoked.com/rootwiki/doku.php/public/evo_ota_2_patch
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nenn:
if you only grabbed the first ota, the sdcard update and not the one from the 29th, then it should work for you.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] beesneazy:
I see this;
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scotbotmosh:
Yeah, but the orignal update came out on 6/28...that is what is confusing...
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nenn:
no, the FIRST update was either the 4th or the 5th. if you got that youre fine, if you got the one on the 29th your SOL.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scotbotmosh:
LOL this is the confusing part...I got the original update that came out on the 28th http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/28/htc-evo-4g-gets-an-ota-software-update/ (which Sprint pulled due to bricking) on the 29th they released the OTA w/ a fix...

I was thinking this would work for me http://www.unrevoked.com/rootwiki/doku.php/public/evo_ota_2_patch however the update they reference is the 29th...so here I sit?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] esber01:
wish i could jus root mine lol
[Android Apps and Games] thirtyfour41:
Has anyone been using this app and had any issues? I recently installed it this morning and ever since my Incredible has been restarting itself randomly. I hadn't had this problem until I installed and ran SeePU++ in the background.

If you've had this problem or not, any ideas?

Thanks!
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] healthpellets:
ok, my wife wants a ringtone profile like she had on her Blackberry. For example, at night, she used the sleep profile, or whatever, and only the ringer was on but all notifications were silent so she was only woke up by important calls.

anyone know of anything like that, WITH A WIDGET, cause i keep lookin but haven't found anything to meet her needs yet.

thanks.
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] nebenezer:
"audio manager", it's in the market. It has a widget. She'll love it, it's perfect for what she wants.
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] healthpellets:
thanks. that was perfect.
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] lllDreadChiclll:
I think Setting Profiles may be better. You can set profiles based on many scenarios such as location based, time and more. You can adjust settings from ringtone, bluetooth,wifi, gps, etc. And it also has a widget.
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] bwillet:
I use Profiles, free in the market. My only two gripes with it are that it doesn't support auto backlight, and no 4g toggle. Otherwise it is the best one I have used, at least for my needs.

I just noticed that OP wanted a widget which this doesnt have, but one click on the icon brings up a simple selector. Also, it can run as a notification, which makes it easier than the BB to use, IMHO. I have BB for work phone, and use profiles daily, and I like this android app better.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ionic7:
Why did all of his roms get locked one of them mentioned warez just kind of curious cause that would not be the first.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Macrophage001:
Go to the link in my desc. it will explain A lot!

this one:

"Post your views on the subject"
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sweetpunkined:
they always hate on the best,here on xda, they just jealous of the KINGS work....THE KING LIVE\'S!!!!!!! HATERS
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sweetpunkined:
No Flaming or Thread will be removed. DO THIS MEAN? NO HAVING FUN ON THIS SO CALL WONDERFUL SITE....I DID SAY WONDERFUL
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mssmison:
Thread closed, see the main thread in general about this for more info,.
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] Ferdimage:
I was wondering if anyone knows of dailer app similar to iconsoft phonex,

its a windows mobile app, but replaces the stock dailer and contacts..

i loved it because you can have a full screen incoming call wallpaper...

i would like to know if there is something similar for the Android...
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] 3nzy:
Like me iam wondering to have a dialer not showing number with name

Its stupid that the dailer show name and number both
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] dan 6a:
yeah with the samsung dialer ,if you lose the screen during conversation, its hard to hang up. I need to open up another dialer and call new number then end call.
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] arnonrgo:
You can end a call from the status bar. Just pull it down when a call is in progress

Arnon
[Galaxy S I9000 Themes and Apps] makinas:
If you have a blank screen press the on-off button to restore screen... works for me.