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[EVO 4G General] JosefCarlin:
10 Posts before posting to Development Forums

So I am a newbie to the HTC EVO and Android, but I have flashed WM ROM's on the HTC Touch Pro and even the HTC 6700 Brick. I've read all 184 pages of posts of xHausx [ROOT] ~~~ HTC EVO - Universal Auto Root ~~~ v2.3 (works with all version)(2/13/11), ok so I skimmed some of the log files, but I did watch the youtube video three times.

So I decided to notify that developer I was about to run his script and list the various hardware and software versions and thank him for all his work, but this site REQUIRES 10 posts (no matter how inane those 10 post might be) as long as you wait 5 minutes between posts. I understand that you want to cut down on repeat questions, but surely there must be a better way to check for a minimum level of competence. Perhaps a quiz, where certain answers are in the various FAQ's.

I can suggest the following Questions:

1. What is hBoot and where is the version found on your phone?

2. What is a RUU, and what is the latest version?

3. What is FastBoot?

4. What is a Recovery Boot?

5. What is adb?

6. What operating system forms the basis of Android?

A multiple choice web test would take very little html and would help insure posters have the basics before post. All the current policy does is to encourage posting (10 to be exact) regardless of the quality of the content, the very behavior it is designed to reduce! No minimum post limit will ever eliminate worthless posts. Only basic education will do that.

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[EVO 4G General] JosefCarlin:
The obvious and glaring flaw with the current policy is the belief that posting leads magically to education about Android Development. Clearly there is no possible relationship between the two.

Having read ALL 184 pages of the [ROOT] ~~~ HTC EVO - Universal Auto Root ~~~ v2.3 (works with all version)(2/13/11) thread. Everyone who posted in that forum apparently "passed" the 10 post test, yet I must have read dozens of posts about (in no particular order); How do I run RUU from my phone? How can I tell if I have "Andriod 3.70.blah.blah" on my phone?, What is a CLI?, and on and on.

Obviously the current 10 post policy isn't working to raise the quality of the posts in Development forums. If you want to implement some sort of restriction prior to posting, then test the general knowledge of potential posters. Requiring them to create 10 worthless post prior to worthless posting to development threads, isn't really working. Perhaps a quiz, where answers are in the various FAQ's you want them to read.

I can suggest the following Questions:

1. What is hBoot and where is the version found on your phone?

2. What is a RUU, and what is the latest version?

3. What is FastBoot?

4. What is a Recovery Boot?

5. What is adb?

6. What operating system forms the basis of Android?

7. Who is responsible if you "brick" your phone?

8. What is the first method you should try to restore it to its "original" state?

9. What 3 steps should you perform prior to attempting to flash a new ROM ?

10. What is a sdk?

A multiple choice web test would take very little html/cgi coding and would help insure posters have the basics before post which might actually raise the level of posts. All the current policy does is to encourage posting (10 to be exact) regardless of the quality of the content, the very behavior it is designed to reduce! No minimum post limit will ever eliminate worthless posts. Only basic education will do that.

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[EVO 4G General] JosefCarlin:
More suggested Questions:

11. What are RSA keys and why is it important to back them up?

12. I want to install TitaniumBackup, why do I need to root my phone?

13. What filesystem is used for Andriod phones?

14. How do I donate to a developer?

15. What is a OTA update?

16. My provider wants me to accept a OTA update for a application, should I accept it?

Merely requiring X number of posts does not insure posters understand the basics.

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[EVO 4G General] NewZJ:
congrats on digging up a thread over 8 months dead

the 10 post minimum is to prevent new joiners from starting threads in the dev section (culprits being questions or general chat topics etc that dont belong in dev). I was unaware that it also prevented posts in already started threads
[EVO 4G General] elegantai:
there should be a minimum post count before posting on a thread that is 8 months old.i thought that rule was only for people trying to start a new thread and not simply post a reply?
[EVO 4G General] NewZJ:
I agree, if its true that a -10 poster cant reply in a thread in the dev section then something must be fixed
[EVO 4G General] JosefCarlin:
Other questions on the multiple choice exam include questions about navigating the site, like:

17. How do I change my password?

18. How do I subscribe to one of the RSS feeds?

19. Do you guys have IRC channel, what is it called, where can I find it?

20. What are the XDA rules, where can I find them?

And before anyone asks, "Yes, I am willing to put the work into such a quiz and maintain it." I will do the hard work of coming up with question and answers, but it has been years sine I programmed any html, or database apps, but I can't believe that would take any significant time to accomplish.

Other sites I am a member of require new users to find the quiz on the site, join the IRC channel, post the questions and their answers in IRC and get the moderator to grade the exam, and then allow posts, but I think a automated multiple choice exam is better. You can randomize the question order (and answer key) to keep anyone from "cheating." Such a quiz might not make for excellent posts, but it should have the effect reducing those frequently asked questions whose answers in in the FAQ.

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[EVO 4G General] JosefCarlin:
All I wanted to do was thank xHausx for his work on AutoRoot, post my device specifics, and see if he needed a Guinea Pig for a minor bug fix version using my phone. When I tried to do that (not create a new development thread) I was directed to a page that informed me I needed to post 10 times before posting/replying in that thread.

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[EVO 4G General] NewZJ:
xda recieves my stamp of

2 posts left, glad to help you on your way to 10
[EVO 4G General] kids88yj:
10 post minimum has gotten me before also.
[EVO 4G General] expose11:
To those who think people need some great knowledge to post in dev forums, I say bunk. Those forums would be pretty crappy with 5 people posting in them. And I am sure the thousands that dl these roms would not be doing so if they couldn't get there stupid questions answered.
[EVO 4G General] Dan330:
try some comprehension skills... it will get you farther in life and reduce a lot of stress..

it was never said.. they can not post in the dev subforums!!!

they can not create new useless threads.. they can post all they want in the current threads.

and they are only suggesting a very low number... not a 1000..

note: you kind of prove the point.. thanks.
[EVO 4G General] ewynn9:
Its pretty ridiculous that I can't post in Myn's Warm Z thread about force closes just because I don't have enough posts. Yet I always see stupid questions being asked by some so called "seasoned" members.

That being said, I understand the rule but i think its stupid.

Guess I'll just have to spam useless posts in general so i can make just one useful post in a thread in dev forum.
[EVO 4G General] JosefCarlin:
I think you misunderstand and as others have noted, regardless of the "policy" new users CAN NOT "Reply to Thread" to the current Developer threads unless they have 10 posts. If you doubt, create a new account and try to post [ROOT] ~~~ HTC EVO - Universal Auto Root ~~~ v2.3 (works with all version)(2/13/11) or other other threads other users have identified.

10 posts, I can now post my thanks to xHausx
[EVO 4G General] Dan330:
you are new here.....

wait till you been here a while... you will see why.

and 10 posts limit... that is soooooo darn hard to do..

anyone that cant do that.. dont need to get an account.
[EVO 4G General] vspike915:
I disagree. I actually take offense to that. I'm an IT professional who rooted his EVO a month back and I'm not on here often due to the fact that I rarely need help and only come here when I have an issue I HAVEN'T been able to find a solution or answer to. But I get what you're, just don't assume everyone less than 20 posts in not intelligent. It just means we have lives and or/smart on our own
[EVO 4G General] JosefCarlin:
I do not think the 10 post minimum accopmlishes the goals it pretends to address, it simply requires 10 meaningless post prior to asking a question in a development thread. I read all 184 PAGES of posts in the xHausx Universal Auto Root thread prior to attempting to "Reply To Thread" and so I understand the concern and agree user education would improve the quality of posts. There is only so many times you can read the very same "where is the RUU on my phone???" posts.

But the 10 post minimum does NOTHING to address that. In fact, it simply requires new users to post 10 (usually worthless stuff) into non-developer threads, creating more clutter, before posting what they originally were going to post (worthless or not) to a developer thread. Instead of 1 bad post you quickly get 11! It may slow the bad posts by a couple of hours, but it does nothing to eliminate it.

If you want to restrict access, minimum post count is easy to implement but it is useless, or worse, counterproductive. Requiring a 100% score on a 20 question web-based multiple choice test (where the answers are found in FAQ's or Rules is easy to implement and maintain and leads to user education, and according to a government study ignorance of FAQ's is the leading cause of bad posting.

OK so I made up the government study part, anyway here are my suggested 20 questions which if answered correctly would SIGNIFICANTLY cut down on the kinds of posts I found in the 1800+ posts I read:

1. What is hBoot and where is the version found on your phone?

2. What is a RUU, and what is the latest version?

3. What is FastBoot?

4. What is a Recovery Boot?

5. What is adb?

6. What operating system forms the basis of Android?

7. Who is responsible if you "brick" your phone?

8. What is the first method you should try to restore a phone it to its "original" state?

9. What 3 steps should you perform prior to attempting to flash a new ROM ?

10. What is a sdk?

11. What are RSA keys and why is it important to back them up?

12. I want to install TitaniumBackup, why do I need to root my phone?

13. What filesystem is used for Andriod phones?

14. How do I donate to a developer?

15. What is a OTA update?

16. My provider wants me to accept a OTA update for a application, should I accept it?

17. How do I change my password?

18. How do I subscribe to one of the RSS feeds?

19. Do you guys have IRC channel, what is it called, where can I find it?

20. What are the XDA rules, where can I find them?

Answering those questions (multiple choice) before replying to a developer thread would actually accomplish what the 10 post minimum post rule doesn't. Practicing meaningless thoughtless posting 10 times only encourages more thoughtless posts.
[EVO 4G General] expose11:
I Agree with JosefCarlin and vspike.

Lots of arrogance in this thread that's for sure.
[EVO 4G General] siege121677:
I totally agree with the 10 post minimum in order to start a new thread in the dev. section. However, it would be nice if people new to the site could post to already started threads. I've had my Evo since launch day, and rooted it myself before I even knew about XDA. I recently flashed to Warm Z TwoPointTwo, and I noticed an issue where Display in battery usage was using 80% of the battery. I went to the ROM's thread, and saw someone else with the same results and went to post feedback that I am also seeing the same problem. Yet I couldn't add the info because of the limit.

I know the argument that it's not hard to reach 10 posts. But I don't really want to make a bunch of posts without having something relevant to talk about. A bunch of meaningless posts justs adds to the clutter of threads that we're allowed to post in. Just my opinion.
[EVO 4G General] vspike915:
I like the concept but too many of these are a simple google search away. There is no *perfect" solution unfortunately.
[EVO 4G General] Just_s:
Ahh, but therein lies the genius of JosefCarlin's idea, it forces new users to research. Regardless of how easy it is to search XDA, Google or their mom's basement for the answers, it still requires an act of searching for those who don't already know the answers. It is grooming newbies (and we were all a newbie at some point) to do the right thing, SEARCH. The one thing that is single-handedly the biggest artery clogger on any blog/forum/etc. is the fact that people refuse to search for their answer.

Now I'm not saying that this little quiz will eliminate those issues, but even if it gets one new person a month to learn how to use the search button, it would make XDA a better place. And for seasoned users who are new to posting or infrequent posters, but know what they are talking about, it eliminates the frustration of coming up with 10 senseless posts to get to one meaningful post. And if they are seasoned users, the questions should require little to no research at all before they're up and contributing to our great community.

I think it is genius! Good show JosefCarlin.
[EVO 4G General] Dan330:
nice idea.. has real merit...

but there is the other side of the coin..

this is part of the internet and this site is intended to help all/more users to share.

your quiz might push many away that would add value to the dev forum.

10 post is to easy .. but does stop some...

Quiz will clean up... but may reduce participation..
[EVO 4G General] siege121677:
I was just in the dev thread for Warm Z, and saw a post from someone who only has 5 posts and is complaining about lack of 4G that is stated in the firstpost to be not included. Yet I only have 3 posts and still can not give legit feedback to the devs. Odd.
[EVO 4G General] aimbdd:
Check their join date. Only new members are subject to this.
[EVO 4G General] phatmanxxl:
You forgot the infamous questions "what does root do?" and "how do I jailbreak my evo?"

I agree 20 post limit or a special invite will wave the restriction.

Gotta love it when a first poster posts noob question in the dev forum when it clearly states not to across the top.
[EVO 4G General] Dan330:
just and idea...

thanks requirment...

3 thanks before you can post in dev section.
[EVO 4G General] jacoballen22:
+1 but sometimes people don't get the thanks they deserve.

Swyped from my sexy EVO.
[EVO 4G General] jacoballen22:
Not everyone uses the website, a lot of people just have time for the application like me. Just saying though.

On another note, arrogance in this thread is an understatement. I guess it's just a competitive knowledge thing. I try to stay away from that.

Swyped from my sexy EVO.
[EVO 4G General] craigbailey1986:
Just wondering who determines what's useless? I have seen development question, asked in q&a and not get answered until I direct them to development section and same for theme and app section..

if we say well some ppl might not try a Rom or kernel because the creator only has 1 post that limits us to only a hand full of developers when there could be a limit less supply of them. Restriction only Henders development not move it forward.

Someone new will always have a fresh idea. If you don't want to read then don't read and move on.

Of course there will be new comers who haven't gotten the grasp of where to post yet but a simple point in the right direction is all it takes.
[EVO 4G General] dedc:
You know, I've lurked on this forum a LOT since purchasing my Evo, and consider myself to be a fairly knowledgable user. I've flashed almost every ROM I could find, played with all kinds of kernels, and I've never asked a single question. Maybe it's my insular nature, the ability to use Google, or maybe it's that I read every post on the first few pages of any thread at the very least - but I don't ask questions without putting in the time to find the answer myself.

But when I go to make my first ever reply to a ROM thread with praise and some useful information to give the developer, I'm greeted with a 10 post minimum requirement. It makes me wonder how many crap posts have been pushed off onto other sections of XDA just so someone can ask about their precious Nascar app in a thread about development.

After the first page of any dev thread, the pages become increasingly tough to wade through - because most of them seem to be filled with already answered, stupid questions. Examples include the above-referenced "i cant load the nascar app, can anyone help me??", or "does this remove sense widgets???" (answered in first post), or the one from a poster with 3173 posts asking "I am a noob. Where is the cm package?" (referring the the CM7 gingerbread Google apps package).

I realize there has to be some sort of deterrent to prevent the dev forums from being absolutely flooded with crap posts, but I wonder how many people with genuine help, ideas, and constructive criticisms have been driven away because of the 10 post rule.

Myself, I'm going to make my ten posts in the General section, and hopefully they'll be useful/informative/whatever. I promise to ask no stupid questions, either.
[EVO 4G General] phatmanxxl:
You can aways post in the off topic forum, post some funny pics, or yo mama jokes, then crank out the NASCAR and "which rom is the best" questions in the development forum. ;)
[EVO 4G General] Dan330:
good job!

there is give and take... there is no perfect solution.
[EVO 4G General] NewZJ:
I think it is awesome that the low posters are putting the 10 posts in this thread.

I agree something needs to be changed, no good reason why somebody with 0 can't post a reply in dev
[EVO 4G General] venemus:
same here 10char
[EVO 4G General] jstalford:
Post limit obviously doesn't work:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=974480
[EVO 4G General] Slig06:
That is both right and wrong... some people are big contributors in other forums, and in such case it is painful to write 20 posts in topics which are not the ones interesting you without just writing stupic flood.

Also, note that those who easily write unuseful flooding posts are also those who reach the more easily the needed 20 posts.

Well... still 8 flooding posts to go.... :rolleyes:
[EVO 4G General] Slig06:
Seeing posts in most ROMs main topics, it sure doesn't really work. At least it helps to avoid to get bot posts in dev forums.
[EVO 4G General] Mahlhavoc:
this thread gets my useless award..

Look how many posters in here, like me, have been here a long time and just dont post.

<------ Join date

I started with the Moment and have moved to the EVO awhile back.. just flashed a new rom and found a glitch with it and couldn't (can't) post it on the thread of that rom but instead had to bother someone with a PM.

Make it 20000000 posts or ask some random physics questions, you still won't stop what is your irratant, just prevent some of us who have valuable content to offer to share.

My two copper... and 4th post?
[EVO 4G General] mbohde:
Here we go let's beat a dead horse again. An absurd post minimum makes those of us with things to contribute lower ourselves to post whoring. All this just so I can tell a developer about a glitch I encountered in their product. Now let me wait five minutes so I can contribute some other drivel to raise my post count. :(
[EVO 4G General] kingdazy:
sorry, but this makes you an exception, not the rule.

you could always PM them, if it's that critical.

I personally think the post minimum is too low for the dev section.
[EVO 4G General] NewZJ:
agreed, rules should be changed, make it higher to start a thread in dev and remove any minimum to reply in one
[EVO 4G General] mbohde:
Critical, no. Irritating yes. I'm one for reading a couple hundred posts before I reply. I fully agree with getting people to read a FAQ before they post. It's nonsense to post without any research, however that does seem to be very common.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] dzo:
Froyo system images are here:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/androidhtc/files/

To install, rename the system-froyo-timestamp.tgz file to androidinstall.tgz and

put it in /andboot on your sdcard.

This needs a recent 320x240 froyo kernel.

The git repository for this build is here:

http://androidhtc.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb-index.cgi

You can see the latest changes by looking at the individual git change logs.

The git repo for most of the device setup is here:

http://androidhtc.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=androidhtc/device-vogue.git;a=summary

You can compile it yourself by doing:

repo init -u git://androidhtc.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/androidhtc/manifest -b froyo
repo sync
. build/envsetup.sh
lunch eu_vogue-userdebug (use "lunch full_vogue-userdebug" for all languages or "lunch us_vogue-userdebug" for only english and spanish)
make (use make -j 6 if you have 4 cores)

read http://source.android.com/source/download.html for instructions on setting up repo and git.

It needs to download over 2G of data and will take a few hours to compile.

I July 2010 I gave a talk about porting android, my slides are available here:

http://it029000.massey.ac.nz/vogue/android_talk.pdf

With a demo of Froyo here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdbUMZB7Hps
[Touch CDMA Android Development] BottleB:
WHoa...blazing fast dev you got there...!

Hows the speed???
[Touch CDMA Android Development] incubus26jc:
nice work Dzo, Here is an update for google apps and market if anyone wants it.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] ebautista:
Whoa!!!! You're starting it again!

You are great man!
[Touch CDMA Android Development] Dukenukemx:
Does this really work?
[Touch CDMA Android Development] duchoang81:
Hi Dzo, tried froyo on my kaiser, it can boot into Android. While taking a call, the display become white and after that, my sim card broken. Poor me ! Wating for your fix. (At that time, try to contact network carrier to get back my sim).
[Touch CDMA Android Development] god9980:
Very fast, very grateful
[Touch CDMA Android Development] vanvancool:
first boot, it's freeze with black screen

so i remove new zimage 25.06 and start again with old zimage 22.06

noticeable change compare to Myn’s Warm Eclair - [RLS1 - 06/17/2010]

- very fast boot

- has problem with sdcard, says: no sdcard found

- camera not working, ooooooh :rolleyes:

- app start first normal like Myn’s Warm Eclair

- but reopen apps start immediately

eg. phone app, first start 5 sec, second start 1 sec, another small apps start less then 1 sec

- small fonts are clearly recognizable

orbit2 xda (pola200)

haret + zimage 22.06

Myn’s Warm Eclair - [RLS1 - 06/17/2010]
[Touch CDMA Android Development] botuser:
Wow... I'm interested on how this goes. This will be a fresh start for my Vogue.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] idreadful:
Just a minute ago I was wondering if Froyo will be here. Great news =)

Tried this build too, nothing except calls is working, but no black or white screens and hangs (pola100 actually, but I think that's ok for this thread, isn't it?), it runs definitely fast. If this is just a start, then the result in releases is very promising. Thanks dzo and all the devs who take part in here.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] myn:
dzo's the man.

Can't wait to give this a try.

Thanks again.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] jadenj5:
anyway it can eventually in 240x320
[Touch CDMA Android Development] BottleB:
I don't wanna sound like a douche but I'm just way to excited...when can we expect a usable rom for everyday use? Eta?
[Touch CDMA Android Development] corypaul:
can we have a screen shot plz
[Touch CDMA Android Development] zenulator:
Go to android.com and watch the Froyo 2.2 video. It looks like Eclair with a new launcher.

And dzo thank you again. I can't wait for audio to work on this and maybe camera. I'll donate $20 if you can make audio and camera work. Anybody else?