yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[G1 General] r3v3rb:
Having nothing to do with the drama unfolding but wanting to give a little insight to the above question - first md5sum the files piping the output to a text file for both roms, then use textwrangler on a mac or similar to cross compare the output in the two files of md5 checksums - takes a couple of minutes at most :)

On another note: I feel cheap but I wouldn't donate to any ROM builder - purely because although I can now run 2.1 on my G1 - there are always issues, I understand why and how but can't donate for something that isn't perfect :(

If someone gives me a perfect rom (even CM5.0.8 slows down after a day of not switching off) with every feature working like I had in stock rom (CM5.0.8 Camera has no zoom ? 1.6 Stock did ?) then I would pay happily - for now though I am technically playing with ideas from some very clever hackers/coders. They are doing a fantastic job getting things to happen but ultimately we will all upgrade our phones to handsets that run the current OS properly with all their features - this is just something we do because we can... Like my hacked WDTV, NDS, PSP, Wii etc etc - just for fun...

So everyone chill out (King you a silly boy, but you aren't the only one to ever do it, PSP scene was rife) and enjoy what our phones can DO

I'm outta this thread, just my two cents worth.

r3v3rb
[G1 General] :
I don't know. Drizzy has the fastest Sense ROM (MT3G2G1) out for the G1/MyTouch 3G and no other dev has accomplished his speed yet. Not even Drizzy (<- wussssssyyyyy!) had done it... I smell fish. Or something smells fishy... on of those two.
[G1 General] jacsonmoore3:
Can Obama close divide on this?
[G1 General] jon6206:
Got this off of AndroidSpin forums and pretty much hits the nail on the head as far as im concerned.

Unixpropaganda

2010/07/01 at 12:43:27 Reply

Stormy

I love how you criticize “the king” for copying someones work but then you go on to praise eugene373 and his release of “his” slider rom of which it is loaded with quite a bit of proprietary code. Anytime someone releases a “hero” rom or any htc sense rom they’re taking and using proprietary htc code of which they don’t have permission to use and are probably “stealing” in the eyes of htc. All of these “hero” roms they’re just hacking together a bunch of binaries as the source code is not published and none of these people have the source code. Don’t get me wrong I’m not defending “the king” and whatever **** he has done or whatever but I’ll defend his or yours or anyones right to use source code that has been released under an apache license or the like without having to give credit or source back to anyone. Sure it is a courteous thing and right thing to do in my mind to give a mention of the author and send back your changes but not required. It is irritating how people say “stole” or “copied” that is the point of free software to copy and share it with as many people as you like. it sounds to me like you are not very familiar with the open source development model that has worked so well for us over the decades and what free and open source software truly is and the philosophy behind it. Do you think if I go grab the FreeBSD source code build it and call it “myBSD” and go sell it to companies that they’re going tell me I’m a thief and to quit copying their work? Of course not, that is the whole idea of the BSD license, of which the source code is published under. The code is there for anyone to take and do anything they would like to with it whether that be just to tinker with and send patches back their way or build a proprietary operating system based on it and sell it for a profit. You are not required to give source back, sure we like it when people contribute back and become solid members of the community but you accept the good and the bad. Most people that take source want to get their changes merged back into mainline so they don’t have to maintain a separate tree of their own and all the time and engineering required to maintain it. There is always going to be people who want to fork and do their own thing whether proprietary or they just think they can do it better but that is the beauty of free and open source software. I think it would be prudent to go and do some research on the subject and become a little more familiar with how this all works and the ideas behind it before you go a write up an article about something you seem to not really know a whole lot about.
[G1 General] rgawenda:
md5sum? What does that do? I did the checksums myself!
[G1 General] SeEsAw12:
for those of you wondering

TL;DR
[G1 General] sweetpunkined:
PLEASE OPEN UP MY THREAD, I\\\\\\\'M NOT GONNA STEAL ANYMORE
[G1 General] sweetpunkined:
PLEASE STOP STEALING OPEN HIS THREAD\\\'S SO HE CAN STOP CRYING
[G1 General] pzumk:
This is why I love xda-developers.com :)
[G1 General] timmymarsh:
Dear All,

I would be very gratefull if you could all just calm down regarding the situation and let this take its course.

Thank you.

Tim.
[G1 General] jacsonmoore3:
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]Reader, you're not going to believe this one -- but it's true! And it may be our funniest issue ever. Kingklick used Photoshop to restore the color and md5's[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular] of files, but you have my word as a comic fan that, Kingklick did NOT alter the dialogue in any way![/FONT][/FONT]
[G1 General] crpercodani:
Just wanted to make my presence known.
[G1 General] jon6206:
In case you missed this the 1st time around

Ok guys, as I promised you, here is a port of the Legend build to the Dream/Sapphire 32b. It has some of the nicest eye candy we will see on our devices to date. I'd like to thank VegaMan for some of his work (noticed a lot of my work in his build, made me proud) as well as SanPei. Hope you all enjoy this, updates will be plentiful

Now, let's enjoy!

Release Name: KiNgxKxlicK Legend2G1

Release Version: 1.2

MD5 Sum: c38ee7102003b645b6482f0ccff7b2cc

Credits: Cyanogen, CCyrowski, Haykuro, Vega, Stericson, JAC, Eugene373, miketaylor00, Jubeh, Twisted, Fictionless, Shafty, any other dev I forgot to mention, and most importantly, my patient lady for putting up with ma devin'

This was not even 2 weeks ago. why are you saying he doesnt give credits? im pretty sure i've seen lines like these in other threads of his as well theres also credits for apks in his changelog. isnt that the issue? the fact that you claim he doesnt give credit to you guys? or is it just that he doesnt work with you on your "team" Cyan you're right up front where you should be too, that should say something
[G1 General] jacsonmoore3:
So all this cuz, he doesnt give credits? what if google close open source....they not getting any credits
[G1 General] macsbac:
I am shocked completely about the ongoings in this debacle not only the complete overreaction about what happened but also about how the rules have been applied to KingKlick and completely different to other ROM developers.

There are two ways to look as this from an interpretation of the rules and then from a moral viewpoint.

First lets look at the rules.

posted by Mikey1022

Yet if I look at rule 8 Donations

The reality is xda rules force KingKlick to put his donation link in his signature and therefore in every thread and post he creates as a thank-you for his hard work (xda even specified the text to be used).

posted by Mikey1022

It also forces him to make a general request for donations and as far as I am aware he made no requests for donations for any specific ROMs including those in question. To use this as an excuse to effectively overrule the process defined in Rule 12 for settling such disputes is without merit when you consider how xda rule 8 forces KingKlick to request donations. Since KingKlick does work hard on producing roms and only two have been called into question he has earned the right to ask for donations for his hard work according to rule 8.

From rule 12.

Proper process according to rule 12 would be for the developer of the ROM in question to contact KingKlick and attempt to sort the issue out. It may have simply been a simple mistake that could have and should have been sorted between KingKlick the developer of the ROM in question and XDA.

posted by Mikey1022

Then lets look at the post by Mikey1022 clearly he has failed as a moderator and is unfit to make any decisions in this case due to his clear and obvious lack of impartiality. He has already declared KingKlicks guilt before even PMing him to hear his side of the story. The other quotes from him also show his clear lack of impartiality. There is noway to have such a biased moderator can make judgements that are fair.

Summary, KingKlick has not broken any of the rules as of yet. Not on donations in rule 8 or under crediting developers under rule 12. To violate rule 12 he must have been contacted in private by the developer of the ROM in question to attempt to sort the issue out. Mikey1022's lack of objectively has in effect led to him to breaking rule 12. His donation reasoning is without substance since KingKlick was following xdas rule 8 and he made no specific claim for donations for any specific ROM. Even if KingKlick was found to have not credited properly Rule 12 says the offending rom's should be removed yet links to them still exist and instead his threads where locked.

This is a sad day for xda when a mod overreacts in such a clearly biased manner.
[G1 General] jon6206:
Agreed! Agreed! Agreed! Agreed! Agreed!

+100

Im not saying that morally King is right but this has been handled unfairly from the very beginning. If I may quote Jay-Z "I thought this was America people! guilty until proven innocent huh? That's how we workin huh? Okay

Before me there was many; after me there will be none!"
[G1 General] Aznneedlovetoo:
Checkmate? :)
[G1 General] macsbac:
Then lets look at the moral point of view.

On the work not credited,

All KingKlick did was not credit some developer who did not actually create Android. All the developer did was compile. Looking for credit for compiling code is insane, what next credit for putting on your own clothes in the morning. Surely this is a joke. I think some people are in need of a serious ego massage.

On the application of the rules,

Every developer shipping a ROM with proprietary software such as Gmail, Maps etc are technically breaching the law. Certain cease and desist orders issued by Google to ROM developers show this to be the case yet xda is quite happy to provide links to these ROMs including KingKlicks despite rule 6 on the posting of warez. Not only that but it goes further xda also turns a blind eye to software such as google maps being hacked to allow for example navigation in countries not yet supported. Yet no action has been taken against these developers who are breaking the law yet effectively exclude a hard working prominent ROM developer for lack of accreditation.

Objectivity,

Clearly Mikey1022 already made up his mind before even contacting KingKlick locked him down. Surely everyone has the right to innocence to proven guilty.

Adults,

Most of these guys are young to middle age adults yet this debacle has descended into the gutter. Its time for a lot of people to grow up and act like the adults they are.

The spirit of Android

Android is an open source community where everyone can take it and do what they want. If you build a ROM with Android that spirit also applies to your ROM. XDA is fully within its rights to ban KingKlick or any other user at any time. Though they have rules and if they want to be seen as fair they need to really look at this objectively.
[G1 General] sweetpunkined:
XDA is just getting out of hand w/ there rules....if you make em,why you the only 1\\\'s broken em
[G1 General] Mikey:
Quick pointers:

1-No, i have NOT made up my mind.

2-As for the donation links, yes. His threads look nice and tidy.....AFTER i edited them, PM'd him about his links in the threads.

3-Add-on to 1....If my mind was made up on this matter:

a-I would have removed his links

b-locked his threads

c-Banned him

I merely locked his threads. I am patiently waiting for his Pm back too me.
[G1 General] he3:
Originally Posted by kingklick *

because, unlike apparently everyone else, my goal in life is not to be butt buddies with cyanogen or be on "team douche"

I do this to contribute my 2 cents - Many will agree I improve most things. Instead of getting on me for releasing this, go clean up where its needed - the nexus development section!

Then cyan replies,

No, instead you just make a bunch of halfassed garbage "ROMZZZ" with a zillion broken things and kiss a lot of ass.

For having been around this long, you should know why the network location is broken

--------

That little microscopic exchange last night is where this all blew up.

How much of this is ego?

I was just wondering when Big Brother would start it's new season, but damn, this is entertainment!
[G1 General] Macrophage001:
Why is everyone bugging out about his donation links in the first place?

Im sorry but this is really bugging me and maybe it's not my place to say but:

A DONATION LINK IS NOT MANDATORY! HE IS NOT PUTTING A GUN TO YOUR HEAD AND TELLING YOU TO DONATE TO HIM. HE IS ONLY ASKING! IT IS PURELY YOUR CHOICE TO ACTUALLY DONATE ANYTHING!

Damn I am always seeing people complaining about KingKlick "shoving" his donation link down people's throats when that is just not the case.

Either Donate or Don't. He isn't breaking any rules so just leave that part of this alone for crying out loud.

My last .02$ on the matter.
[G1 General] jon6206:
OMG! As macsbac said a few posts ago rule 8 clearly states "As a user you're allowed to ask for donations in your signature as a thank you for your hard work" due to this rule every single post that KingKlick makes he is unfortunately and through no fault of his own going to "shove a donation link down your throat" the rules say donation links in signatures. Maybe its the rule that need changing, if he were allowed to just add the link per specific OP then he could choose to only ask for donations for work that is 100% his own but unfortunately his following rule 8 prevents him from doing so. Thus you are essentially punishing King for following forum rules.
[G1 General] macsbac:
Really you haven't made up your mind then how do you explain these extremely definitive quotes,

Secondly you have locked his threads.

Its not about his threads looking nice and tidy its about a clear accusation that you made in regards to his donation links. You used this excuse to completely ignore rule 12 and simply lock his threads with asking him about it first. You even admit this when you say

and then

This is important since you use the donation link as a reason to break rule 12.

You claimed he was collecting money on others hard work. Yet him asking for donations is within the rules of XDA and I have yet to see any of KingKlicks posts ask for donations for a particular ROM instead its a more generic if you like my work please donate again which is fully within the rules.

Clearly you received a complaint and you acted by locking KingKlicks threads without trying to resolve the matter privately as you should have as stated in Rule 12. What's the point of having rules if the mods cannot even abide by them ?
[G1 General] geokuttan:
please read this thread

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=714902

all the fuzz is about this one...:cool:
[G1 General] jon6206:
I have read this thread (im currently using this ROM as i find it superior to Jubehs and CR'z) if you notice i have more than a few posts myself in that thread which was closed the same day it was opened after Cyan decided to provoke a flame war. No all the fuzz is not only about this thread I have read many posts from other members claiming that ALL of Kings Rom threads are other peoples work with his name on it asking for donations. This one may have started everything but thats not all he's being accused for otherwise that would be the only one that was closed. Also I'm willing to bet that if Cyan had followed rule 12 and sent King a PM asking for credit King would have obliged and we could have avoided all this. But that didnt happen and we will never know how it would have turned out had the rules been followed by all parties.
[G1 General] jon6206:
Can't tell if that post was intended to be a flame against King or another rant to the community about how great you are Firerat... Either way all it was is a explanation on complaints people are already aware of. Thank you for elaborating but this is not new information most people here understood this already. All of these roms may not be 100% Kings maybe not even 50%. The problem is that there are no specific rules against asking for donations, only for using others work without sending a PM asking for permission and giving credit.

There are moral guidelines all men should abide by but in the end if theres no law or rule against it its up to each of us to CHOOSE to follow thats when God or Karma kicks in whatever you may believe.

My million dollars worth of advice
[G1 General] mdneilson:
Really? You really are a major douche. It is literally impossible to have a perfectly running program, let alone a system. Devs hard work that takes a lot of hours deserves gratitude. I don't donate because I don't have enough cash to cover the bills, but be assured that if I did, I would. You clearly don't deserve to be running anything but tmo's 1.6 on your phone.

I agree that this has been showboated and the mods are allowing way too much drama. I don't think that anyone should point fingers at Cyan because he doesn't sit here and nag people to follow the rules (and more importantly, common courtesy).
[G1 General] mdneilson:
Isn't that the problem here... not PMing and citing?

In which case the lock or ban hammer is fully justified.
[G1 General] Firerat:
lol, rules and loopholes

who needs them

I don't care about the official xda line, my point is across King's 'work' is worthless, he is worthless xda is not better with him, but imo better off without him

me, I don't care what people think about me, I'm sure I've been an "our soul" to many a pm muppet begging me for words of wisdom on some trivial bs

but you know.. If I could think of a witty way of turning kl into d then I would

now, what was your actual point?
[G1 General] macsbac:
by cyanogen

Maybe you should look at rule 2.1.

by defconoi

Or rule 2.3

by wicked_beav

Or rule 9

I distinctly remember a C&D order to certain developers.

This so called teamdouche have violated at least three rules during the gang flaming can you Mikey1022 tell me what action you have taken against them for rule violation. Why have you not edited their posts out including foul language aimed at directly insulting another xda member.
[G1 General] macsbac:
Its clear you guys don't care about the rules so why should KingKlick, but what right have you to decide who or what the community is better with or without. You would nearly thing you guys developed Android. Ultimately you pretty much just tweak and compile somebody else's code not a lot different than KingKlick really.

You guys can't even be honest this was really about this post by KingKlick

Its this that made cyanogen explode and his little pack of dogs follow in on a flaming session. Why don't you guys grow a set and act like adults for once.
[G1 General] jon6206:
You're absolutely right though had he not showed up in Kings thread dropping F bombs and calling out all his roms all of this could have been avoided. I respect Cyan very much have followed him forever and thats why I expected him to be bigger than that at least follow the rules and send him a PM and then contacted a Moderator. These comments alone has made me lose some respect for the guy though his work is top notch and does deserve due appreciation and credit.

"No, instead you just make a bunch of halfassed garbage "ROMZZZ" with a zillion broken things and kiss a lot of ass." -Cyanogen

"For having been around this long, you should know why the ****ing network location is broken you ****ing tool" -Cyanogen

I'm not sure if you've read this thread but he made a lot of public and unnecessary negative comments directed at King that I believe started all of this and could have been avoided through a simple PM
[G1 General] nickstewartroc:
Agree'd

10chars
[G1 General] mdneilson:
FYI: Anyone who tells someone to "grow a set" is also acting very childish.

Yes, I did read the whole thread (and the threads in question). Thanks for not assuming that I didn't (seriously).

I agree that Cyan's reaction was juvenile. My only point is that the opportunity shouldn't even have existed if proper citations had been used by King.

Sometimes people just need to learn how to be the bigger person, but I also realize that people get into fits of passion. I don't know Cyan or King personally, so I make my judgments based on what I know.

Overall, quite a few people's image have been tarnished in my eyes because of this debacle.
[G1 General] jon6206:
My point was simply to inform you that your half page rant was unnecessary as almost everything you stated has already been said another way by another member other than the obvious turn to praising yourself partway through. You do great work you contribute a lot i dont think anybody can miss that you're a big part of these forums thank you but you dont need to hate on other devs or members who also contribute in their own way whether you agree with their style or not. if you notice King in his own thread didnt feel the need to fan the flames by going negative against you or Cyan after being attacked and having his thread rated down to hell. shows me who the bigger man is even if you guys contribute more i respect the hell out of him for not stooping to your level
[G1 General] Firerat:
actually, you are totally missing something

It has nothing to do with Cyanogen

the fact is King Claimed he did something I know he is not capable of

I was the first to d/l 'his' rom, I md5ed it and what do you know, king is a dirty lier

and incompetent at that

loyalty is admirable, however the smart are loyal to themselves

but, scanning through your past posts, I don't care
[G1 General] vortec87:
King should just consider himself lucky, if someone like me had done this i would have been banned immediately, if i released a build that was %99.9 someone elses and called it my own i would have been banned and flamed to no end. my advice to King: come clean, tell the truth, and if you dont want to be a member of this site anymore thats fine, but dont start drama just over ego its not worth it. this is the internet there is no judicial process the mods at XDA rule XDA end of story they do what they want, so it would look much better on your part to admit guilt and make an appology.

end of story this is not my two cents this is just how it has to be for any reconciliation to take place
[G1 General] jon6206:
1- Unfortunately there is no rule about lying, if i may quote myself since u only care to "scan through" my posts "There are moral guidelines all men should abide by but in the end if theres no law or rule against it its up to each of us to CHOOSE to follow thats when God or Karma kicks in whatever you may believe"

2- I was the 1st to download "his" rom i remember because 4shared told me so and if you read the thread you'll see that i clearly stated i was backed up and ready to wipe and flash 10 minutes before it was uploaded.

looks like Kings not the only one lying around here

p.s. only the selfish are loyal to themselves
[G1 General] mdneilson:
I agree, and I don't. The point of all this is that King broke the rules (and sorry, just because Cyan didn't PM, I don't think he did). But this drama is more than the situation calls for (and that seems to have been started by Cyan). I have a lot of respect for you, Cyan and all the great devs on here. But I think that a person is fully capable of defending one's self without having to resort to extreme defamatory statements, true or not.