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[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] nightryder21:
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[EVO 4G General] kluster1999:
So my father picked up the iPhone 4 yesterday, and we played with it for hours. We both had a 3g and 3gs in the past.

All I can say is, man am I glad I switched to the EVO! For starters, the screen on the iPhone 4 is too small to appreciate the glamorous "Retina" display.

I opened up the "iBook" application and looked at the sample book in there. How the heck can you read on that screen? The colors look sharp, but hardly any text fits on the page.

I think Apple shouldn't have wasted so much space on the bezel and bumped the screen up to 4 inches.

The next big caveat was not being able to visit flash sites on the iPhone 4. That really pissed off my dad, because I was flaunting the EVO loading the same pages in glorious flash. In the past, I didn't realize how important flash was. I looked pass the limitation because it was a holy Apple device. Not so much anymore... And I love how Android gives you the option to load flash on demand.

I actually much preferred the curvier shape of the previous iPhones. The iPhone 4's box shape irritated my hands after 15 minutes of use.

The final thing that got my dad riled up was the fact that video chat is only allowed between iphone 4's and limited strictly to wifi. I showed him fring and quik with all of their video chat glory over 3g, and that made him oh so jealous.

This might seem like a small thing, but the kickstand on the EVO is an important feature to me... I'm really glad HTC included it.

At the end of the night, my dad said he was going to write a letter to Apple asking them to put a bigger screen on the next iPhone, lol.

Overall, the new iPhone 4 is quite snappy and responsive, but that's all it is. It is true that the App Store has apps that still aren't available on the Android market (still waiting for Bloomberg), but they're coming... The retina display looks crisp, but that damn screen is too tiny to appreciate it. All the other features, such as the 5 megapixel camera and the front facing camera, are NOT revolutionary. They have been around for quite some time.

Apple makes incremental improvements but claims they're "Magical" and "Revolutionary". I bought that **** for a while, but it really is played out now.

I love my EVO, and I love Android. I'm free to do whatever I want with my phone...

Edit: How could I have forgotten... 4G Wimax baby!!! Suck on that fanboys:p
[EVO 4G General] JAREDR:
I'm really glad to hear that. I bet you can hold your evo how ever you want and not drop a call too lol.
[EVO 4G General] kluster1999:
I know, right!
[EVO 4G General] unclepain:
There's 2 other things that I feel the iPhone has over the EVO and that's the gyroscope and the iPhone's ability to record HD videos in H.264 and AAC audio compared to the EVO's limitation of MPEG4 video and 8kHz Narrowband AMR audio. But all of the reasons you mention are the same reasons I knew the EVO was my next phone. Still enjoying it and know I made the right decision.
[EVO 4G General] JM-PDA:
Thanks for the review!!

I love my EVO and the Android OS.
[EVO 4G General] LordLugard:
Literally apples and oranges mate. Last i heard from Engadget, their iPhone 4 (review) lasted 30-something hours and they used the heck out of it. So not being able to view flash content does not matter to some folks. I've had an iPod Touch for the longest and never concerned about flash really when mobile browsing.

4G is nice in theory but how long does your battery last. The Evo barely lasts a whole day right now as it is.

Face time video chat is only wifi for now until end of year (At&T's crappy network might be to blame there as well) they said plus anyone can hook into the API and use it with their app. Skype already mentioned interest, so who knows if it might move from iPhone 4 - iPhone 4 as it is now to cross platform.

You make valid points but I've played with the Evo and not fully satisfied with the performance and definitely not with the battery life. I literally had to turn off everything useful just to eek out a work day's worth of juice.
[EVO 4G General] kluster1999:
I turn my 4g off unless I visit a heavy content site on the go. That's where it shines... when you need it for quick bursts of speed.

As far as battery life, here is something I absolutely do not comprehend...

Why in the world do you need your battery to last longer than 24 hours? Plug it in at night you lazy bastards, lol (to diffuse any tension)... My EVO is on 15% before I go to sleep, and that is with heavy use throughout the whole day. I suck a lot of data through my web browsing. I am definitely satisfied as it gets me through the day. Might there be a day when I go overboard and I have to plug in before night time? Yes. So what, it's not often.

I think the whole battery life lasting for days-on-end-thing is brainwash and a stroke of the ego.

Now if your EVO is not lasting all day, that is another story. You should check out some of the custom ROMS in the DEV section. They rock! I am using Avalaunch's EVOlution 8 Rev A, and it works wonders. I love froyo.
[EVO 4G General] h40:
I was a iphone owner for the better part of 3 years, my father recently purchased the iphone as well. He's coming from the blackberry bold. I asked myself what is on the iphone 4 that I'm missing on my 3g iphone? I really don't see it. The devices out there elsewhere are fantastic, and without such restriction.

For my father though, I'm sure he appreciates it more.
[EVO 4G General] ssjgoku24:
I stand by the OP. I has both a 3g and a 3gs and the iPhone4 was a contender until I used the Evo for a bit and realized how awesome having a nice 4.3" screen is. Apple just didn't want to go back to the drawling board and make their screen larger. While the Evo does have it's limitations I do love it. And with any luck most of the bugs will be worked out by ROM developers, where as everyone must wait for anything to be fixed by Apple, not to mention I would never get an iPhone if I could not jailbreak it... and that looks bleak with the new OTA updates ATT and Apple are going to be doing. Also another huge problem with the phone is ATT, they blow.
[EVO 4G General] AcIdC0R3:
I also hear you can't multi-task like you can on the EVO. My friend said it has more color to the display than the EVO does. He said that's all it has on the EVO. Not to mention that ATT is ditching all their everything plans and capping the maximum you can download every month. No thank you Apple... I'll gladly stick with my EVO.
[EVO 4G General] roybotnik:
I returned my evo to get an iphone 4. Screw HTC build quality and horrible buggy software. The Evo's UI is so unbelievably laggy I can't believe that anyone can stand it. Even my non-techie wife thought it looked like a piece of crap from the 90s.

I'm glad that apple products don't have flash. Flash is a security vulnerability and a complete and utter annoyance on the internet. I can not wait until it is completely eliminated.

You know a phone is a piece of garbage when you start it up for the first time and the first thing you see after the boot screen is an error message saying an application had to be closed. That's what happened to both of my evos.
[EVO 4G General] LordLugard:
Why would you not need or want your battery to last 24 hrs or more? Where is the downside to that? Your rationalization is sad and pathetic really. So we are lazy bastards because we don't live next to an AC outlet or carry one around on the go. So you're knocking the iPhone because of it's better battery life vs the Evo and that's supposed to be a plus for the Evo..odd.

Like i said, apples and oranges. Different pluses and minuses to both. I'll trade front camera for better battery life on Evo anyday. Let's see what the Galaxy (Pro) brings to the table...
[EVO 4G General] SMARTPHONEPC:
Apple stuck with 3.5" because the iPhone is a mainstream targeted device. Over 50% of the population (female) have smaller hands & Android is still male dominated.

IMO Evo needs official 2.2 asap (further Android refinements-UI, security, battery, etc) & I still need to do my own comparisons but:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUwutoAeGlI (iPhone 4 vs HTC EVO - Video Sample-iPhone 4 video+audio capture seem better unfortunately)

Vs. Reviews:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wzZ5kQWFyY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULv-0xcciFE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdZ5_V0C5HM
[EVO 4G General] engagedtosmile:
A few of my friends are reporting that their battery isn't lasting as long as Engadgets did. It might be that it needs a few cycle but it has used up 6% in around 2 hours just using it as an iPod.

The Evo's battery isn't that bad, people are able to use up to 15-25 hours on a full charge. You just have to be somewhat knowledgable to achieve that. For me I don't need more than 10 hours since I have a desk job where I can plug in my phone, a car charger, etc.

If I plan on going away I can throw down 10$ and get an extra battery. iPhone 4 you don't have that option.

Apple is superb at setting the standard pretty low but still be at the top of the game. It's quite sad.
[EVO 4G General] Vandam500:
The trolling force is strong with this one, indeed.
[EVO 4G General] SMARTPHONEPC:
Well they excel at UI simplification (unfortunately at the expense of options for power users)..hardware immediately after refresh can be compelling as well if you can tolerate the walled garden+network..:eek:
[EVO 4G General] rutter9:
Yep nice comment history. Sounds like Apple has you handing them money hook, line, and sinker. I came from a 3GS(only one I ever had) and never want to get an iPhone again.
[EVO 4G General] engagedtosmile:
I believe their UI is ugly, icons on icons. No customization whatsoever. I bedazzle my friends when I switch from Sense to ADW launcher etc.

But that's really all iPhones are now, new hardware. I used my friends iPhone 4 and asked him if it does anything new from his 3GS. It doesn't.

I also laughed when I was using it and he got a notification. Notification pop-ups are so ****ty. Pretty much put the phone in a frozen state until you acknowledge it. I love having a pull down menu for my notifications.
[EVO 4G General] wrxlvr:
I messed with one yesterday too, and really liked it. The screen is much crisper than my Evo. Also, pictures in the browser looked WORLDS better (I tried the stock browser and Dolphin HD) on the iPhone. Text was also much clearer when you zoomed in (it gets fuzzy when zooming in on the Evo).

My Evo still has it's advantages, and the iPhone wasn't good enough for me to switch back, but it was certainly good enough for me to consider just upgrading my wife's iPhone to a new one. :o
[EVO 4G General] IcOpRo:
I agree 100% with this comment, I felt a disturbance, the trolling force is strong within him.
[EVO 4G General] chandlerw88:
I came to the conclusion yesterday that this war is never gonna end, just what you prefer, iPhone has a lot of apps but a lot of clone apps too, games with better graphics but I got a ps3 for video game fixation, I.had a 2g and a 3g before trying out Android and I'm loving it, and any developer will tell you that the open platform that android runs on in the future will eventually make it better than the iPhone OS, and I think spec wise evo is winning, but of course developers are gonna go where the moneys at and its easy to develop apps on iphones because all the devices pretty much have the same drivers.
[EVO 4G General] rockky:
I ditched the iPhone cause I was tired of crappy camera/video....go to Evo big 8mgpxl etc...

DAMNED if this new IPhone doesn't spank this Evo in terms of clarity and color richness!
[EVO 4G General] donatom3:
Regular camera pics seem to be about on par between evo and iphone. Where the iphone spanks the evo is video and that's mostly because of the compression.

Otherwise the EVO camera and iPhone both use the same backlit technology.

The iPhone was touting their pixel size as a major factor.

The iphone's sensor are 1.7 micron and the Evo's is 1.4 microns. Not much of a difference at all. Like I said biggest deal is the compression HTC is using on the EVO. If they moved to H264 and aac audio we'd have video on par with the iphone. Someone will figure this out.
[EVO 4G General] Freelancerx:
yeah once the source is released from HTC for the evo the devs here can upgrade the bitrate like they did on the nexus one...
[EVO 4G General] blu3g:
Typical iPhone fanboy troll, with a typical reason to hate. Okay, so let's see what they say, then what's going on inside their minds after they say those things:

1. I hate the evo because the design sucks! IPhone is sexy... Oh look! A case! I am going to buy it and cover my iPhone so I can't see it's design anyways.

2. The evo is on Sprint, so it sucks by default... why can't I get signal??? Oh right! Steve told me not to hold my phone that way or my iPhone can't connect onto AT&T's network!

3. The evo was made in a foreign country, so quality is ****ty... what's this??? Yellow??? I have 2 + volume buttons and no - ? And what was that company that made cell phones and people were killing themselves because labor suck??? Nah, can't be Apple....

4. The evo is too big, how the hell can anyone carry this **** around?... Mom, I'm leaving home! Oh crap, forgot my IPAD.

5. Android sucks because they only have 70,000 apps while Apple has over 200,000... This app is crap, this one is crap, and this one too. Okay, got rid of all the ****ty apps and now I only have 50 so iPhone can run smooth.

6. Android and it's customization is overrated, I like iOS because is simple and neat... Yay! My iPhone is finally jailbroken so I can customize it more!

Seriously, iPhone fanboys are as dumb as they come. I'll add more to the list when I see more excuses.
[EVO 4G General] kluster1999:
I only said you're a lazy bastard if your phone lasts all day and you still complain.

If your phone is not getting a full day's of battery, by all means, I understand.
[EVO 4G General] siwelk:
My Evo always lasts at least 15 hours off the charger, i would imagine the majority of general smartphone users should only need 12-18 hrs of life for a typical day. I plug my evo in every night, its like brushing me teeth before bed.
[EVO 4G General] kluster1999:
Thank you! That's all I was trying to get at before he twisted my words.
[EVO 4G General] siwelk:
yeah, i dont understand why some people feel like their phone needs to have a 30 hour batt life. Devices as powerful as these new smartphones are obviously only going to realistically last for a single days use. Which is all anyone should really be worried about.

Edit: Sorry but this San Fran fanboy was too funny. http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jCZJdB1ws8DTEik1xc3Rns-65zSwD9GIGSE80
[EVO 4G General] blakejohnson86:
I don't think this community would miss you if you left and never came back. If you want to say something, at least do it in a respectful way.

I know I'm at least speaking for myself here.

/Feeding the troll.
[EVO 4G General] EShy:
Yea, I'm sure face time will be available on 3G (it only took a couple of years for skype voip to be allowed on to 3G), however, if you're not an existing customer with unlimited data, you'll have to pay a lot to use it...
[EVO 4G General] EVO'D_OUT:
Coming from an iphone 3GS (and 3G and 1G) for that matter I am a big fan of the iphone. I recently picked up the Evo and am currently in my 30-day return 'test cycle'. The iPhone cant hold a match to the evo harware wise, but I still prefer the iOS to the Andriod. 2.1 has some nice eye candy and Im sure 2.2 will step it up even further. The 4.3" screen is what absolutely sold me on the Evo...cant imagine going back to 3.5" now. But with that being said the new iPhone 4 has a much better quality screen than our expansive 4.3" panel. Colors look better, text sharper, pixel density is obviously better etc but as someone earlier mentioned its too small to fully appreciate. Put a 4.3" retina display on any phone and OMG. My biggest complaint against my Evo is the damn lagginess and responsiveness in general. This is where even my year old 3GS trumps the Evo. Jittery and just unrefined feeling. Hopefully the Froyo update addresses this and maybe a factory 30fps uncap update! Well see. Still sticking with the Evo!
[EVO 4G General] kluster1999:
I can assure you with 100% certainty that froyo eradicates every lag on the EVO.

I flashed to Avalaunch EVOlution V8 and it works flawlessly. I get 36 MFLOPs on linpack using standard kernel and 1350 on Quadrant. I can't believe I ever even used 2.1. Like you, that screen lag and system lag made me consider returning the evo and maybe wait for galaxy to come out.

Love my EVO now. Also, download RockPlayer to play any video you come across. It's in beta now so it's free for a month :-)
[EVO 4G General] shaundalglish:
btw. Engadget has another poll up, the Evo might win, so vote and make history: http://engadget.com/2010/06/25/iphone-4-or-evo-4g-which-one-should-you-get/
[EVO 4G General] LordLugard:
:p Can we hug across a computer screen? :)
[EVO 4G General] chim4ira312:
IPhone 4 has won this round. EVO has the specs and numbers but that's really all it has. Evo has size iPhone has quality. My brother picked up the iPhone 4 last night and I've been playing with it all night. and believe me when I say I was sold. And I'm an Android advocator rooting since the first root on g1.

IPhone 3gs and 3gs simply did not have the specs to make the iPhone great enough. The screen wasn't that special. The OS was plain and boring. And apps (well to me) have just recently blown up and been really something great from the last 6 months. 3gs might have been fast but I didn't need it when I had the g1 upping it in so many ways. It was great.

But the iPhone 4 is something else. It's screen its camera its apps its battery make the evo seem outdated already..and yeah the evo has problems big enough to ruin the entire android experience for me. I was seriously happier with ny g1 in every department except speed in opening apps and multi tasking. It can do most things evo can, better. I'm actually jumping ship. And yeah the iPhone 4 has some problems. But Apple will fix them. They have that good reputation . HTC ruined what could've been the best phone in a long time. Well at least ruined it for me
[EVO 4G General] jankyboy:
Having been on a quest over the last few years to find my perfect phone (iPhone 3G, Droid, Nexus One, Droid Incredible), I have to say the EVO is at the top of my list.

I've been to the Apple store twice over the last few days to play with the new iPhone. Yes, the display is absolutely gorgeous and the iPhone sports a responsive interface, albeit boring. To me, the iPhone still feels like the AOL of phones: Here is the experience we've designed for you; deal with it.

With the early Froyo ports installed, the EVO transforms into a beast. Granted, there are issues with BT and the camera; however, the phone screams! Seeing that Sprint has committed to releasing Froyo for the EVO in the near future, I'm ecstatic about the EVO's possibilities.
[EVO 4G General] kluster1999:
The froyo browser is noticeably faster than the iPhone 4's.
[EVO 4G General] jasonleb1:
Well, if Sprint.com doesn't get more Evos in stock in the next two weeks I will be jumping the iPhone 4 bandwagon.
[EVO 4G General] mrmomoman:
With all the options out there WALMART, RS, SPRINT STORES, RESELLERS - you mean you can't get a hold of one?
[EVO 4G General] jasonleb1:
I have to order my Evo (and my sons) on Sprint.com because I want the Everything Plus Data Family plan. If it was just me going to sprint I'd get one at BestBuy now and just deal with the extra $10 a month but I have a 5 person family plan and being on the Everything Plus saves me like 45 to 50 bucks a month.
[EVO 4G General] bob13bob:
iphone has this round won. wait till we get some benchmarks aggregated. I guess it's gonna take another 6months-12months before android beats apple. sprint is still cheaper with no 2g cap. 2g cap is big deal as smart phones get better and better; nevermind att/apple propaganda that 90% users use less.
[EVO 4G General] bluehaze:
After using a phone with 4.3" screen the iPhone feels ancient with it's 3.5" screen LOL I used to be an app junkie on iPhone because the internet was a PIA to use having to constantly scroll around. Browsing the Internet on the EVO is such a nice experience I don't even use my iPad anymore let alone my iPhone. I could never go back to the iPhone, it is going the way of the mac, old outdated hardware with a sleek OS that won't let you do half the things you want to do.

No thanks, I think i'm finally done with Apple for good, seriously considering selling my iPad because I just don't use the thing at all since getting my EVO and my Netbook is alot more useful for the things I can't do on the EVO seeing as the iPad can't even do what the EVO can do the only times I found myself going to the iPad it was no help because it was essentially just an iPhone with bigger screen. I am thinking EVO + a Netbook or Ultraportable PC is the way to go.

It's funny though because the first couple weeks with the iPad I couldn't put the thing down and swore up and down I could never live without it LOL Total 180, now I am feeling it was a waste of money...

Now that I think about it, Apple likely stuck with 3.5" screen to keep iPad sales up as 3.5" is just too small to browse the internet so you actually need another device to comfortably browse. If they went with 4.3" screen it would probably cannibalize the iPad sales after awhile, thats how big a difference that .8" of screen real estate makes on a phone!
[EVO 4G General] kluster1999:
Indeed.

--10 char.
[EVO 4G General] Xenithflare:
Honestly, I don't think anyone here even read a word of what he said, and just got the gist that he said the iPhone was better...

The EVO, according to a great many people, has a pretty awful build quality, what with improperly grounded touchscreens, screens lifting, light bleeding, etc... You can't just pretend all the complaints of the past few weeks didn't exist, I was there. As for the UI... I personally don't like it, I feel it looks more toyish than tech-y, but I certainly wouldn't say it resembles a brick phone from the 90s. That's a bit of an exaggeration. Haven't noticed much lag, either...

Flash... I have to admit that I really hate Flash when navigating the web. I won't lie. If I could see it gone and replaced with a decent alternative, I would. However, Apple not supporting Flash was a bad decision, if only because of how widespread it is. Their reasoning for disliking it was sound, but there was no sound reason to NOT include it.

As for the last bit, every EVO I've seen and activated came up with the same application error after boot. I can't necessarily say it's a bad thing, but I can see how it looks that way. It's certainly not something I'd want to see on my new $200 phone.

All in all, I stand by what I've always said about the iPhone: it's not comparable to other smartphones. It's a whole 'nother category by itself. It's for a whole different set of users, and those users do not include smartphone users. That said, I do not like Android, so I'm gonna hope that WP7 fulfills my expectations, and if it doesn't, I don't have a problem jumping on an iPhone. I've never owned one, and I honestly don't need a smartphone, but I do enjoy the perks and benefits you get from them. I'm not a hardcore user or a dev, so... *shrug* I'm willing to try most everything.