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[Epic 4G General] Hero's Hero:
F no. My EVO is my pride n joy.

Looking at the EPIC, it's ****ty hardware, like all Samsung phones
[Epic 4G General] MrDSL:
Right...That's why I am here and posting on these forums. Thank you for pointing out the obvious to me.
[Epic 4G General] starplaya93:
we still haven't received the source for the EVO and its been almost a whole month...so much for #1.

and it seems like people are hoping the galaxy S fails miserably simply because they own an EVO and will not be able to purchase the Epic...at least not for the reduced price. I'm willing to bet the galaxy s line up will receive just as much, if not more developer support than the EVO, but since it hasn't come out yet all we can do is wait and see... Making assumptions on a product that hasn't arrived yet and cursing Samsung because of their past mistakes is dumb.\

I am taking the EPIC for what it is and what it's capable of. and on paper it IS better than the EVO and every other phone out to date. Face it. Theirs no need to keep trying to justify your purchase, the EVO is a freaking awesome phone, hands down, but it has and will be outdone. Thats how business works...

HTC has made just as many mistakes as Samsung, if not more. So lets just wait and see. Even if I don't purchase the EPIC I still want it to be an awesome phone because it just adds to the competition, which in the end, benefits the consumer...only time will tell.
[Epic 4G General] Aridon:
I'll make the jump but only after we get a custom kernel that allows the device to useall its ram. Unlike now.
[Epic 4G General] billobob:
While the thought of a hardware keyboard is a little tempting for stuff like Connectbot and taking quick notes, I'm very happy with the evo and see no reason to switch. the Epic 4G is faster, it's not *that* much faster and the phones are so similarly specced to give me no reason to change when I'm happy. plus I'm coming from a moment, which was riddled with crappy drivers, poor GPS, etc, compared to the Evo which just works in all aspects (although video could be improved), so my trust in Samsung is a bit shot.

then again, I dont really have the compulsion to have the very best phone out at all times so its not a big deal
[Epic 4G General] Sebrina:
Right cause Samsung doesn't release open source kernels:

http://opensource.samsungmobile.com/index.jsp
[Epic 4G General] zonyl:
You are required by law to release source code for the Linux kernel. You are not required by law to release source code to kernel modules (drivers) if they are not based on derived GPL works.

Having said that I am looking at the modules right now trying to determine if there is source for those. If you look at Leshak's post you will see someone initially saying the kernel source compiles, but the drivers do not.

Here is the list of modules: http://github.com/leshak/i9000-leshak-initramfs/tree/master/lib/modules/

EDIT: It looks promising as the majority of the drivers have source code!

HOWEVER, if you dig in you will notice that in their "source" release they exclude source for the following modules (binary only objects are in there):

- s3cbc (Base controller?)

- s3clcd (Display controller)

- pvrsrvkm (OpenGL)

So there you have it. Some enterprising individual may be able to find equivalent drivers and/or reverse engineer those, but it is a gamble. Admittedly a much better gamble than I was expecting to find.

EDIT2: Looks like I duplicated the effort found here: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=7019790&postcount=12 ;)
[Epic 4G General] popular nobody:
My profession will remain disclosed at this time, but I had to state something. The Galaxy S series will not be the phones of the year. You have no idea what you're talking about. Spec wise, EVO and Droid X might not be the phone of the year by this incoming Holiday Season. Sprint still has a incoming Motorola device that haven't been mentioned yet in any blog, and Verizon has another HTC monster in the making.

I do agree with you in one aspect. What makes the series you're creaming your pants about so special is that every carrier will have this device. You can't compare development for the Moment/Instinct/Omnia to this phone, because this move is new for Samsung. Personally, I think it's brilliant, and Palm should had did the same move for the Palm Pre. Do I think they will have more development than the EVO 4G? Not in this lifetime. Once the source code is released (by the end of this month, imo) it's a wrap for the EVO. This doesn't mean to knock your purchase, and state that EVO 4G>>>>>Epic 4G. Do what makes you happy, and you alone. Epic has the better specs, but the EVO and the Dev Community will either match them or surpass them, minus that beautiful Super Amoled screen.

Really hate this vs that threads, especially when both will help the growth of your carrier, but don't pay me any attention. Back to lurking.
[Epic 4G General] Pops_G:
To be fair. This isn't a "my phone is better than yours" debate. Most of the people here own an EVO already and are mostly happy with it. We have a few complaints, and we are debating whether or not switching to the Galaxy S would fix those complaints.

I do not think anyone here is trying to shame or make people regret their purchase of the EVO. Personally I am just looking to make the most informed and best choice on what I spend my money on for the next 2 years.
[Epic 4G General] Sebrina:
The drivers are inside the zip and un encrypted so the point is moot. As they are inside the new Galaxy S series Kernels that were already released, all this no driver support stuff gets old.
[Epic 4G General] zonyl:
Precisely. We all understand there will be better phones. Im actually for the first time every quite comfortable with a phone (screens wont get any bigger and the data connection wont get any faster in the next 2 years).

My only personal debate on choice has been; is it worth the battery life / keyboard, for a risk of software flexibility. At least by keeping my EVO I will have a choice again come June 1st next year.
[Epic 4G General] zonyl:
Find the C source code for the s3cbc.o object and ill take that comment seriously.
[Epic 4G General] barnacles10:
hardware keyboard- not for me. EVO stays
[Epic 4G General] MrDSL:
You wont get one.. I'm sure the epic users will have a 3.0 alpha rom with no working radio/screen/sound/etc sometime next year.
[Epic 4G General] shep211:
Have you looked? The only thing they have not released is code for there ui. I am so happy to have Samsung release such a great product thats not all locked down like there last phones or Verizon phones. I hope sprint does not lock down the phone. If they do I am going back to gsm network and using original galaxy s.
[Epic 4G General] shep211:
What? Modaco has already released a rom and a kitchen.
[Epic 4G General] MrDSL:
Right! Based off a Samsung 2.1 release.
[Epic 4G General] shep211:
Sorry I see you are talking about android version 3.0. The drivers are released so this should be no issue right or am I missing some thing? I will not buy the Samsung no matter how good it is if we cant update it.
[Epic 4G General] dougdascenzo:
If you are playing the "it has no keyboard so it is a child's toy" card, please get off your high horse. That argument is getting old. I was always thinking I needed a keyboard until I actually gave a good touch screen a chance and guess what, it is fine. It's fine if you don't agree, but you don't have to be all insulting about it like we are all year olds for having a touch screen phone.

If that isn't what you are implying, then I take all that back! :)
[Epic 4G General] robl45:
I think I will get the epic 4g, I'd rather have the chance of root than no chance of root. I really prefer the bigger screen and better camera of the evo and don't really need a sliding keyboard.
[Epic 4G General] heygrl:
The camera on the Evo is not better, it's terrible.. like they rushed it out at the last minute. Have you seen the Galaxy S, iPhone 4 or DROID X take pictures and record video? They all do a much better job of being camera phones.
[Epic 4G General] Aridon:
What the hell do you think all the evo roms are based on?
[Epic 4G General] robl45:
the reviews i've seen have the galaxy s coming in last in back of the other 3 and the epic while it gets a flash is only single led. camera is most important to me on the phone as I want decent pictures of my baby and often we don't have the regular camera with us for whatever reason. and my wifes iphone 3g takes terrible pictures.
[Epic 4G General] :
Epic looks good but I dont want a keyboard so getting the White EVO 4G Next Sunday. Loved Pre for a year but need something faster!
[Epic 4G General] Sebrina:
You know what's funny there's a thread in this very section with tons of users sending in e-mails to HTC and Sprint begging them to release the OPEN SOURCE Kernel which they still haven't submitted a month after it's release and Samsung has already submitted their Galaxy S Kernels for free download, yet we're still sitting here calling Samsung un-open and proprietary, open your eyes you're starting to resemble iPhone fanbois, geez. I'm not a fan of any one company but I'm not brainwashed enough to know when one is better than another.
[Epic 4G General] MrDSL:
Yes the froyo 2.2 I'm running is based on 2.1 :rolleyes:
[Epic 4G General] cosine83:
Everything about the Epic makes me want one. Except it being a Samsung phone. As someone who's owned two Samsung phones in the past (Instinct and Moment), I will not be giving Samsung anymore money or anymore of my patience. They are horrible about fixing bugs and updating their products. SDX kept me from wanting to break my phone and made me actually like using the Moment but I've had such a better experience on my Evo. Fixes for phone problems when the phone hasn't even been out a month? Holy crap! It took 4 1/2 months for Samsung to put out an update for the Moment that didn't really do a whole lot.
[Epic 4G General] Sebrina:
The Froyo 2.2 you're running is based on a Nexus One ROM with a million hacks to make it work on an Evo.
[Epic 4G General] MrDSL:
Hows that moment 2.2 ROM coming?
[Epic 4G General] Sebrina:
Better than you're logic by leaps and bounds. How's that camera fix coming, oh it isn't because HTC won't release your souce code, lol. Camera-less phone, gratz!
[Epic 4G General] Sebrina:
Newsflash the Moment 2.1 ROM was released BEFORE the HTC Hero ROM inspit of the Hero being released FIRST. So HTC users actually waited longer than you did.
[Epic 4G General] MrDSL:
Thats awesome they released the source for moment but no working radio,screen,sound etc etc etc

awesome..maybe the camera works? lol

we can use mine for EVERYTHING else and we'll use your moment for pics!
[Epic 4G General] Sebrina:
Changing the subject eh? I see that's your defsense mechensim when you know you're wrong and can't admit it. Just like DSL you're lagging behind, also the screen doesn't work please explain how they have 2d/3d working now please stfu.
[Epic 4G General] MrDSL:
How did I change the subject? lol

whatever helps you sleep at night :D
[Epic 4G General] Sebrina:
How's that Evo 2.2 ROM working, you know the AOSP one with working cameras?
[Epic 4G General] MrDSL:
You're so right the EVO has been out 30 days and already has a AOSP 2.2 with no camera and the moments been out forever and now finally has a AOSP 2.2 with a working screen but not much else.

You have proven samsungs awesome openness and customization!!
[Epic 4G General] popular nobody:
People, you can not compare the Instinct & Moment to the Galaxy S Series. Samsung is really going all out with this series. $100 Millie to match the advertising of the Droid Series, with the plans of launching it in 110 countries. That's insane. There's no way Samsung is going to be lackadaisical with the updates for this device. It's their winning lottery ticket. I've used the Epic 4G personally, I do feel that people are downplaying this device. It's a work of art, though I'm not a fan of TouchWiz. Another plus is the 4 Major US

carriers will have this device, a full one month apart. Development will spread for it, though I don't think they will have a bigger development community than the EVO. Cyanogen is thinking if he should do it, so that's a good start.

Both devices are great choices, that will have its share of problems. There's no such thing as the perfect device.
[Epic 4G General] Sebrina:
The Moment was released with 1.6 which is a step up from it's competition the Hero which came out roughly at the sametime and it shipped with 1.5. The Moment also got 2.1 before the HTC made Hero reguardless of the fact that the Hero came out first so again you're proving yourself wrong, not to mention tring to compare a 30day old device with a 1 year old device. Aside from this no the Evo does NOT have a AOSP build the Nexus One does therefore the community has to hack together an AOSP ROM for a device that has no 2.2 support yet.
[Epic 4G General] JUST2SUAVE:
Samsung sucks so bad
[Epic 4G General] heygrl:
Who cares about the Moment, or Instinct.. seriously. The Galaxy S series is a different animal.

Samsung sux, terrible.. now let be go take a blow dryer to my less than a month old HTC phone
[Epic 4G General] orateam:
I will be getting the EPIC. I too am weary of Samsung, but the EVO was garbage. Slow, buggy, and the worst battery consumption ever in a phone made it almost unusable.

Since i have multiple accounts with Sprint and am the liaison for our company, i was able to get confirmation from the 3rd tier rep that the EPIC would release in JULY and not August. That will keep me around until then, but i don't understand the public delay.
[Epic 4G General] robl45:
I have decided on epic as well. I really don't want or need the keyboard, but the increased processing power and better battery life make the evo look like a dinosaur. I just hope the 5 megapixel camera with only single led flash can take decent pictures. also dissapointed with no hdmi out. makes watching videos on the tv a bit of a pain if you don't have a dnla tv.
[Epic 4G General] drizek:
The camera is actually one of the best on an android phone,
[Epic 4G General] oldpreowner:
I currently have an EVO but I have been keeping track of the epic. My wife had the moment and I compared (side by side) screens and the moment looked so much better. I can only imagine what the epic will look like. I haven't rooted (i want to) the Evo yet and frankly am afraid to do so. I came from the pre which has an awesome community and putting tweaks and themes were so easy. I have been trying to do research in the forums but there is so much information I really don't know where to start. So if I'm not going to root then maybe I should try the epic. I only have about 2 weeks to make a decision. In the meantime I will read more threads and watch you tube videos so that I can make a decision.
[Epic 4G General] bitbang3r:
I'm getting an Epic4g, but it's almost entirely due to the fact that my Hero has motivated me to swear that it'll be a cold, snowy July 4th in downtown Miami before I buy another phone that has only a soft keyboard. I don't use my keyboard for social networking or sending text messages... I use it with ConnectBot, which has got to be the most hellishly miserable experience known to mankind if your phone has only a soft keyboard. When I bought my Hero, I didn't think the lack of a keyboard was a big deal, because I used Graffiti/Block Input for everything on my prior phones... then discovered too late that both Graffiti-1 IME apps available for Android basically suck to the point of being unusable (lag, inexplicable recognition errors, letters that mysteriously become capitalized without a shiftstroke having ever been made and all auto-capitalization disabled, etc -- all despite the letter drawn on the screen in response to the strokes looking perfectly fine).

I'm not a Samsung fan. My general opinion of them is that they're notorious for releasing phones that have state of the art hardware, with highly-customized versions of last year's OS. Samsung is like IBM -- they're so huge and vertically-integrated, for most of their components, there IS NO second OEM source of hardware information or drivers if they choose to not release it, because they ARE the component's OEM. Mitigating this is the fact that HTC's not a whole lot better... they rely on Qualcomm instead of doing everything in-house, but Qualcomm info isn't much easier to come by.

Then again, unlike HTC, Samsung's phones will actually ship with an Android distro that takes advantage of hardware acceleration. In that respect, not being beholden to Qualcomm's broken licensing model (that presumes carriers like Sprint have the slightest interest in providing customers with features that don't directly correlate to added monthly fee revenue, regardless of how little they cost relative to the improved user experience) slightly makes up for Samsung being the OEM.

The million dollar question is whether 3.0 uses 2.6.29 kernel, or needs a newer kernel that breaks binary .ko modules made for 2.6.29. The big problem HeroC owners had were due to HTC basically hardcoding their drivers into the 2.6.27 kernel itself in ways that made them impossible to extract and use with the 2.6.29 kernel 2.1 required. If Samsung releases the drivers as proper .ko loadable kernel modules that work with whatever kernel 3.0 requires, the question will largely be academic.
[Epic 4G General] Aridon:
I'm interested. Currently have an evo.

Both htc and samsung are companies that your going to want root access to fix their ****ty programming.

I'm a little worried about the epic build quality but that's what 30 day trials are for. I'm curious if the buy out price will be as competitive as tmobile and att. Should be interesting its certainly a great time to be a gadget geek.
[Epic 4G General] Sebrina:
No offense but you're worried about Samsung build quality coming from HTC? I've been an HTC user for many years and let me tell you HTC build quality and general quality control sucks. I'm not going to sit here and say there won't be any build quality issues because no one knows that yet but the very phone you mentioned you have is horribly built with screen separation issues bad sd card readers and plagued with less than perfect updates, one of which actually started to brick phones by accident.

If build quality gets any worse than the Evo I give up, I'll just re-activate my 7 year old WinMo phone and call it a day.
[Epic 4G General] robl45:
based on? I saw a test of galaxys, iphone, droid x and evo and this one came in dead last.
[Epic 4G General] heygrl:
Link please. The HTC Evo camera is garbage and has some of the most unnatural colors I've ever seen in a camera phone. Match that with the water effect on each photo and you have a crappy 8MP camera. Video recording is at the bottom of the pack, truly awful.
[Epic 4G General] Aridon:
The you tube videos show that the galaxy s has far better capabilities than the evo when taking video.
[Epic 4G General] robl45:
http://www.gadgetsdna.com/iphone-4-...g-vs-samsung-galaxy-s-camera-comparison/4247/
[Epic 4G General] drizek:
Your own link shows that the evo has the worst video quality.
[Epic 4G General] robl45:
what are you talking about, look at image quality? galaxy s is at the bottom.
[Epic 4G General] heygrl:
Just as I suspected, exaggerated colors in the HTC Evo's shot. The fact that it's video recording capabilities are right behind the iPhone 4's, with the HTC Evo rightfully dead LAST makes the Galaxy S better.

EVO

GALAXY S
[Epic 4G General] k2snowboards88:
That evo has some really really ugly compression and sharpening artifacts. That's assuming they weren't introduced while resizing or uploading them. I much prefer the more natural and undersharpenned look of the galaxy. I can always add sharpening later, but I can never fix those awful artifacts on that evo shot.
[Epic 4G General] drizek:
You're right. The evo looks kinda good at first, but when you look at it you see all the fine detail is smeared away and the sharpness is just processing. And then you have the unnatural colors.

Thats not to say that the gs looks amazing, just that it is much less offensive.
[Epic 4G General] Sebrina:
It's no mystery that the Galaxy S beats the Evo hands down in just about everything but my big concern is how the carrier is going to cripple the phone if at all. We're comparing the unlocked versions of the Galaxy S but we all know that carriers like to tinker their branded phones and sometimes do things they shouldn't, if they don't manage to screw this one up we'll have an amazing phone on our hands.
[Epic 4G General] BeerChameleon:
all these arguments about the lack of support for samsung. im sure if they are releasing this on all carriors they will support it longer then the moment. as for me im def getting the epic to replace my tp2. i just get why since htc is so good and they cant give us a phone that has all the feutures like this epic phone. quiet frankly im really annoyed with them. and who cares if it doesnt get rooted,custom kernals or roms. the only reason i wanted that on my tp2 cause it was very unstable. i think this will be a great phone regardless of support or not.

also on another note this whole argument keyboard or no keyboard,

i know i know it ads fatness but a hardware keyboard is great to have and if i had an evo yes i can adapt with no keyboard, but am envious of keyboards. i went from an htc touch to a touch pro 2 and the keyboard is great for writing emails,texting and the main reason i love keyboards is mapping keys for diffent things especially emulators.

this phone is going to blow the tp2 out of the water as for the evo and epic they are both great phones but one has a keyboard and one of lack of developers even. tho there is sdx developers which im sure will have something nice for this epic 4g. its all about opinion tho i know a lot of people will get this new phone i know i will.
[Epic 4G General] gTen:
By that comparison I actually think the Galaxy S has the best camera lol

At first I thought the iphone 4 smoked the others..but after looking a bit closer..at the photo of the person you can tell that some contrast was modified to make it seem brighter and more exposure...so while some stuff end up looking better with this exposure others stand out a bit...(when looking at the videos you can see the exposure if over the bat)

The EVO though seems to have done the worst..
[Epic 4G General] fldash:
I actually agree. When I look at those photo collage, I think the Galaxy S has a great camera. I compared the picture to that which they ranked the highest which is the Samsung point and shoot shot.
[Epic 4G General] Spik3balloon:
Edit: retracted. Lousy Macworld and its poor referencing.
[Epic 4G General] Controllr1:
Does this mean the Epic 4G can be rooted as well?

gadgetsdna.com samsung-galaxy-s-i9000-rooted-successfully
[Epic 4G General] Darrien13:
I will be gettin one soon as they announce a releasw :/
[Epic 4G General] Pops_G:
One issue I have it the headphone jack and USB are at the top of the phone. It's going to be an issue when docking in the car or desk, since the cables will need to reach around over the phone. Also would suck if using the phone while it is plugged in charging.

So close to perfect execution!
[Epic 4G General] radar5:
Actually I see the top usb as rather ingenious. Charging in the car with a standard charger, your phone can be right side up without sitting on a charger or having a cable sticking straight out, making it sit funny in your cup holder. When charging on your desk or night stand, it can lie down looking at you rather than being upside down or having the power cable run around it. It's on top and out of your way while typing.

Having it in hand will be the ultimate test, but I'm just playing Devil's Advocate.