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[EVO 4G General] healthpellets:
if someone can show me a TOS or some other written proof that PHONES are capped at 5GB, i'll believe you (hell, i'd take a legible screen cap if you have one)

but it's always been my understanding that PHONES have never had a data cap. only broadband devices.
[EVO 4G General] redrazr7791:
Broadband cards + 4G = Unlimited

Broadband cards + 3G = 5GB cap.

I have researched that for weeks because I have a 3G/4G compatible Sprint Broadband card.

As far as phones go...I don't know...never really pushed 5GB before :cool:
[EVO 4G General] jblazea50:
i talked to Sprint rep about my family shared plan couple of days ago and he said that there's no cap on data at all (i have 2 EVO and 2 blackberry)
[EVO 4G General] ap3604:
If they do this then there would have been the same type of complaining where people would say "Well if I dont have 4g in California... why do I have to pay the fee?"

What they should have done is not charge the fee until their 4g network was Nationally built... THEN add the fee to FUTURE phones and call it a 4g fee.

Charging customers a fee for 4g that doesn't exist yet = bad business and quite greedy :rolleyes:
[EVO 4G General] dglowe343:
The way I look at it, you get unlimited data so you can tether your laptop or whatever and download and stream crap for as long as you want since it would be pretty hard to hit the 5Gb cap just using the phone(though not impossible I'm sure) and the hope of one day having 4G where you live. Besides, an "iPhone plan" costs more than the same plan with a different phone through AT&T and their network sucks. I'm still saving money over my old T-Mobile bill and their data network was sad compared to Sprint's.
[EVO 4G General] Shadow591:
But they may add it to build up the network what if the fee adds ~20 million at the end of the year plus the announced 120 million

Sent from my Htc Evo on the Now Network
[EVO 4G General] topdnbass:
It is a bit redonkulous.

I mean, if it's for 4G then those living in a 4G-less area shouldn't need to pay for it..

I understand they need the money though, and i'm paying because I think it's worth it but the classification as "Premium Data" is a bit uncool
[EVO 4G General] healthpellets:
if only that were true....

http://shop.sprint.com/en/legal/legal_terms_privacy_popup.shtml

so technically, by the Sprint TOS, you cannot "tether", even with the $10 Premium Data charge, or by virtue of having an "unlimited plan".
[EVO 4G General] ap3604:
The customer shouldn't have to pay for a companies network upgrades.

Did we pay an extra $10 fee when we had Edge and Sprint was building their 3g network? Nope...

The only thing we should pay for is a service we are actually getting :mad:
[EVO 4G General] parousia15:
Maybe the $10 fee is helping fund the new network towers that broadcast 4G. To help expand it quicker.
[EVO 4G General] ramiss:
Of course it is! :)

But don't tell it to the people who don't have 4G yet!
[EVO 4G General] Shadow591:
Apparently att and verizon customers do

Sent from my Htc Evo on the Now Network
[EVO 4G General] ramiss:
You are paying for the extra bandwidth incured by the Evo, which is potentially higher whether you are using 3G or 4G.

There it is - Plain and simple. End of story....I just wish Sprint would phrase it that way.

Sent via this here phone thingy over the interweb.
[EVO 4G General] ap3604:
Nope.

I'm in California with no 4g and the Evo will use the same amount of bandwidth visiting websites, playing youtube videos, and tethering that a Samsung Moment would over 3g.

As long as no 4g is available in my area the Evo should have the same monthly price as a Moment until Sprint makes 4g available...
[EVO 4G General] ramiss:
Its like insurance. Everybody pays a little to finance the people who actually use it.
[EVO 4G General] NickMl:
It's their way of recovering the $30/month they know they're not going to get from you. They knew people would eventually root the phone, and tether. Tethering users tend to use more data, and Sprint is trying to recoup some costs there.

I'd rather they not include the fee, but for what you're getting, $10 for completely unlimited data is pretty good.
[EVO 4G General] ap3604:
You already get unlimited data with the Samsung Moment for $70/mo without the extra $10 fee .

So since I live in California and cannot get 4g, why am I paying $240 more over two years for the exact same unlimited 3g data?
[EVO 4G General] RikusHaven:
Go get a Samsung Moment then. Everybody here that isn't complaining know what the fee is really for.

For those complaining, it is not going to change, majority have accepted the fee, even if their current explanation for the fee is BS. Deal with it or get another phone or go to another carrier. I think it is rather stupid to be complaining this late about the principle and demanding they come forward and admit what the fee is really for.
[EVO 4G General] MordyT:
I know my word means nothing, but this has more truth to it then you know...
[EVO 4G General] itmustbejj:
Just stack on a corporate discount to make up for the fee. We have an Everything Data plan with 2 Evo's and we pay 112 before taxes. That's not too shabby.
[EVO 4G General] redrazr7791:
Or better yet...get a prepaid or pay-as-you-go plan. I heard that the selection of phones is real good and you can rock download speeds of 2 Kbps :rolleyes:

Sprint isn't going to change this. You want the newest, latest and greatest phone? Well, sorry from now on it's going to cost a little bit more. Get a Hero or some other phone that doesn't have 4G capability. I have a hunch though, that some of the people complaining...do not have 4G in their area. Once they experience how fast it is, they will gladly pay the $10 Premium fee.
[EVO 4G General] healthpellets:
am i correct in assuming that no matter how many people tell you that the "premium data" fee has nothing to do with 4G usage, or how many times Sprint reps tell you the same thing, or when Sprint issues an "offical" explanation stating the same, that you will continue to not believe the facts?

i have 4G in my "area". pretty much every where except at my house. i'd like to have the 4G so i can tether, although even tethering at 3G isn't that bad.

so the 4G is nice when you can use it on a laptop or what not, but for walking around everyday data use on my phone, it's not that great.
[EVO 4G General] tatnai:
i believe the 5gb cap is for data only devices, phones on everything type plans do not have a cap. you will only find a cap mentioned on data device plans, not on phone plans.

so cap = data device, NOT cap = 4g. so $10 fee is not to lift cap for 4g on evo, as the evo uses an everything phone plan, not a data device plan.

don't really care about the rest of the argument... I do think the $10 is BS, but Sprint decided to make a bit more money, and I wanted the phone bad enough to pay for it (yeah, they knew I would be a sucker; THAT is what actually makes most of us upset, that WE STILL BOUGHT THE PHONE *KNOWING* WE WERE BEING A SUCKER). so here's to sprint figuring out they could make some extra cash . . .:eek:
[EVO 4G General] clamknuckle:
You never got unlimited tethering before. You do now with the $10 fee.
[EVO 4G General] redrazr7791:
And do you have a problem with everything that I post? Read over what I said again. I made sure to put the words SOME PEOPLE because no matter what they are told or shown, they will still "keep their heads in the sand":rolleyes:

I knew that someone would read my post and have to dissect it. So I made sure to spend a few hours reading over press releases and statements just to understand what this 4G Premium fee is really about. Being a college medical student, I like to spend my money wisely and not blow it on items that I cannot afford.

As of right now I do not mind spending $10 for the fee. Why? Because I like having the option of 3G and 4G in my area, I am satisfied with Sprint's service and after receiving my first bill...happy that I left AT&T.
[EVO 4G General] ap3604:
Your a wise man there tatnai :)

I could def afford the $10/mo fee, but I guess I just dont want to label myyself a sucker ;)
[EVO 4G General] mitch27:
The take it or leave it attitude is annoying. Obviously people like this phone, but they feel that the fee is not properly justified.

There's nothing wrong with people wanting Sprint to drop the fee, they've bounced their reasons around for having it a few times. If they would have stated it was to support the 4g rollout everyone would have been fine with it, but they didn't. Paying more for something good doesn't bother anyone, but you don't make it a monthly charge that will last forever, you make the phone more expensive directly. As of right now, most users are paying more for something that doesn't apply to them yet.

They should have made 4G an OPTION, and not an additional add-on that only 5% of their user base can utilize. This way, if you want it you pay for it. If you don't, then you don't pay.

And, there was no data cap on the old unlimited plan, ask anyone who had WinMo for the past few years on tethering, or switched to any device on the Simply Everything plan with tethering. I know I maxed out 8+ gigs a month while traveling.
[EVO 4G General] redrazr7791:
Sorry to annoy you, but what else do you suggest to people who feel that this "fee" is unjustified? Downgrade to a phone that doesn't utilize 4G? Send letters to various "higher-ups" to get them to bring the hammer down on Sprint and make the Premium fee an OPTION? The fact of the matter is that the fee is here and will show up every time we, as customers, open up our bill. 8 pages of back-and-forth arguing really isn't getting anywhere.
[EVO 4G General] healthpellets:
No. you don't now either if you follow the TOS as I posted here. http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=7005935&postcount=55e:
[EVO 4G General] eagle63:
Not to put words in his mouth, but I wonder if instead of "tethering" he simply meant internet sharing via the hotspot app. Because in the past that sort of thing was capped at 5gb (and still is if you buy a mifi card I think), but my understanding is that with the $10 fee you get unlimited data both on your device as well as sharing it via the hotspot app.
[EVO 4G General] os10:
unlimited 3G & 4G with Premium Data plan (on Sprint network):

h t t p : //community . sprint . com/baw/thread/33866

(remove spaces, I can't post normal links yet)

if you don't believe it, see for yourself. i am several gigs over 5GB this month using strictly 3G and my sprint.com account shows the total amount downloaded with zero additional charges.

i get up to 300KB/s speeds on 3G so it only takes one night and a couple of 720p TV shows to hit 5GB. the $10 charge is worth it for real unlimited access. you could crack 100GB/mo with a little effort. try that on ATT or Verizon!
[EVO 4G General] RikusHaven:
Also, most of us have accepted the fee and are happy with our phones. But I guess some people just will whine and complain on forums where it makes no difference, because Sprint is not going to change this just by reading some forum threads. And some of these people complaining are already paying the fee, so not like it's hurting Sprint.
[EVO 4G General] ap3604:
You gotta be kidding me brotha... a HUNDRED gb in a month?! :confused:
[EVO 4G General] ap3604:
Yeah I agree :)

It's like if Verizon wanted to be scumbag's the way Sprint is and added a mandatory $20/mo tethering plan to all DroidX's which made the bill $90/mo for Voice/Data/Tethering. Yeah, you would still get rich yuppies buying it and telling us to "go away" if we care about a company screwing us over... but what if I don't want to tether since I pay for wifi at my house? Shouldnt I have an option to get a DroidX without paying $90/mo if I am not even going to use the tethering service? :mad:
[EVO 4G General] rockdrummersrock:
Like has been pointed out, it has always seemed to me like the $10 fee was because you are getting 4G capabilities.

It's actually a genius strategy in my opinion and actually quite fair. People who buy the phone can use 4G if its around their area. It's a new and premium service so theres a right to charge for it.

As far as for people who do not have 4G yet it seems like they are doing a fairly decent job of rolling out 4G in many parts of the country. That $10 in areas outside of coverage can be directed towards BUILDING towers so that coverage can grow. By charging all users they can accumulate the most money and turn a profit while semi-subsidizing towers so that eventually most Evo (and soon to be Epic) users will have 4G service.
[EVO 4G General] pflatlyne:
Wow,just wow. Im not sure whether its rampant fanboyism or a level of naivety that I have not previously seen but wow!

Let me explain whats really going on. Sprint wants to raise rates.They ALLWAYS want to raise rates and in fact,if the people in charge didnt want to raise rates to make more money,they would be fired and replaced with people who DO want to make more money.

They realize however that people don't like that. So what they do is call it a premium data charge and roll it out with their 4g phones.This is called "Marketing". Thats where a company hires someone to convince you that you need their product and its worth whatever they are charging,even if its mor than what you were paying for what you THOUGHT was all you needed before.

Sooner or later,all PDA phones will have a premium data charge,then all phones period. It will skate by,with the fanboys defending it as being becuase all the phones have 4g,or maybe they dont. (in fact,for the majority of the users of the Evo,they DONT have 4G and they will probably NEVER use 4g as it will not be in their area for several more years and by then the Evos will all be obsolete and replaced by whatever comes next.

They may also have plans that bundle things in various ways together that overall,cost a little more. It MAY be the case that you in theory GET a little more,but they do these packages in such a way that MOST people will buy more than they need,so in effect,they get more for giving less. They then have their marketing people try to convince you that you need it. Some of us do,some of us dont,but that does not matter. Eventually,they may offer you a sweet deal that eliminates the extra data fee. Read it carefull,becuase I bet there is a fee hike hidden in there somewhere unless your out of contract and using that leverage to turn the tables and get a better deal.

Thats the way ALL companies do business. If you think anything they do is to do you a favor,your kidding yourselves. Its about giving you as little as they can for as much as they can charge. Its what capitalism is all about. Your job as a consumer in a capitalist economy is be a skeptic. Dont trust what they say and demand as MUCH as you can get for as little as you can pay.Thats how it works. The hope (and it doesn't always work out that way,but we hope it does usually,or at least sometimes) is that between you trying to get something for nothing,and them trying to get everything for doing nothing,a deal is struck that both buyers and sellers can live with.
[EVO 4G General] pflatlyne:
If its for 4g,then seriously,if 4g doenst come to your area,people might get a little upset. If they sold you something,and charged you a fee for it every month,and years went by and they never rolled it out within a 100 miles? In fact,I expect in a few years there may well be a lawsuit. Whatever they call it,most people DO think its for the unlimited 4g data. If they sell me that phone in Wheretheheckizit Wyoming,and charge me a charge,that they presented (and the sales people DO present it as being for the 4g data) it as being for a service that they never intended to roll out anywhere close to where the phones were sold,thats going to come back and bite them.
[EVO 4G General] lafester:
why is is SO HARD to stay on topic?

this thread has nothing to do with weather or not we should be paying $10 a month extra for the EVO. it is about EXPLAINING THE FEE.

there is no 5gb cap on phone data, never has been.

tethering does have a 5gb cap and still does on the EVO with 3g.

only 4g has no cap AND it costs an extra $29.99 a month

keep in mind that the only tethering authorized on the evo is through their hotspot app.

the $10 fee has NOTHING to do with data period (other then the "premium experience" you get with the big screen and kickstand)
[EVO 4G General] os10:
720p TV rips are usually over 1gb. 720p movie rips are 4-8gb, and 1080p movie rips are 8-16gb. que up a couple dozen in sabnzbd, utorrent or whatever and let them run while you sleep. 100gb would take a couple of weeks at 200-300KB/s over 3G. with a decent landline (15-20 megabit), a long que, and plenty of drivespace it's easy to cross 1TB in a month. or so i hear. ;)
[EVO 4G General] healthpellets:
i think you might get a nice little "hey, what ya doin?" letter from Sprint, even if you did that with the Hotspot on 4G. but feel free. i'd like to know if unlimited is truly unlimited.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] klausner:
My TP2 with WM6.5 is stuck trying to update the weather. It acts like the software is stuck in a loop.

This is only a problem with the "current location" weather, not with added cities which load without difficulty. It also doesn't seem to impact anything else on the phone.

Tried doing a soft-reset, but weather still will not load.

Suggestions?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] klausner:
Bump! Bump!
[EVO 4G General] unknown_owner:
So I bought my evo off of my wife's family plan she shares with her side of her family. She added her brother, so he said that he would give me the evo for the hero. Fair trade in my eye ;). So I call sprint last night and the rep says that they have a better plan called Simply Everything 500--500 minutes instead of 450 and $59 instead of $69. Now they still add the $10. So essentially my plan is $69 (w/the $10 inculded) with 500 min. and everything else the same. He mentioned that they will be switching people over to it without them knowing. Don't know how, but anyway. I thought it was a good deal so I took it. Now I just wonder will I still get my $20 a month credit and 15% discount back on there? Yes my plan after taxes will be about $54/month. That's why I love sprint.

Anyone else here of this plan?
[EVO 4G General] anthonylokrn:
Interesting..would like to know more about this.
[EVO 4G General] lafester:
thats just the "new" sero plan.

you won't get any discounts on it.

better off getting the regular plan and getting your discounts applied
[EVO 4G General] unknown_owner:
Did some research and found out that this plan is called the Everything Plus 500 which use to be called the SERO plan. I had SERO for years before they said that you can't get it with the hero. Now I'm back on it!!! Hell yeah.

Wait a minute just thought of something, when I got the Hero I had a choice between this Everything Plus 500 and the Simply Everything for $69.99. The only real difference was that you couldn't get any discounts on the Everything Plus 500 plans, only discounts were applied to the Simply Everything plans. guess I have to call sprint back and see if I keep my discounts or revert me back to my old Simply everything 450 plan for $79 (but prob. total $65 after discounts added).
[EVO 4G General] unknown_owner:
You're right. I just did the math and I would end up paying more on the Plus 500 plan. Gonna call Sprint right now and get this reverted back. That $20 credit a month is a great thing
[EVO 4G General] camdz:
I had to do the same thing. We had an Everything Plus family 1600 plan for $109 but we lost our 25% discount. I ended up changing it to the regular version of this (with only 1500 minutes) for $129 so the discount would apply.

I went back and forth with them for a while because for the first 3 months they kept the discount on that Plus plan. Ive ALWAYS had discounts with my old SERO plans event hough they claim you cant. Out of the blue they removed my 25%, and I had no choice but to switch plans.
[EVO 4G General] donatom3:
Don't forget on the eprp plans you get WiFi tethering for $20 not $30
[EVO 4G General] jerryparid:
It is called Everything Plus 500; it is the new Sprint Sprint Employee plan after the SERO price jack 2+ years ago. There is NO chance/NO possibility that you will get any sort of % employee/corporate discount.

However, if you were promised $20 or $10 credit, you may be able to get it reapplied if you fight for it.

For most people Everything Data 450 is cheaper after employee discount.
[EVO 4G General] warmachine69:
$89.99 for two simply everything lines w/1200 anytime minutes per line, unlimited web, unlimited text messages, unlimited mobile-to-mobile. Add $10 for the EVO service. I'm still cheaper than an Iphone plan on one line.

:)
[EVO 4G General] unknown_owner:
man I hope this doesn't turn into" sorry Sir" and a whole bunch of excuses. I remember a sprint employee in a store one time said that they must be crediting me the 20 because he didn't see the discount on my account
[EVO 4G General] unknown_owner:
evo for 65/mth after ins., taxes, and fees is great for me
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] lordxiagan:
CHome ala carte seems to be alluding me, I can't find a cab for it as the ROM I currently have only has TouchFLO, which I don't like >_<. Can't find it via search, help please! Thanks!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] stylez:
Moved as not ROM development.

You wont find a .cab of CHome as an integral part of 6.5 and has too many dependancies to be seperate, flash a 6.5 with CHome there's plenty available.
[Galaxy S I9000 General] lgkahn:
anyone else have issues with duplicate characters while typing on the keyboard.. it needs better customization so that when it sees a duplicate of the same letter within a userdefineable time (in ms) it ignores it...
[EVO 4G Android Development] jasonrush:
Is there anyway to make the new OTA 1.47.651.1 into a RUU.exe?
[EVO 4G General] l33tlinuxh4x0r:
OTA 1.47.651.1 has been pulled as it is bricking some phones. Sprint has a internal notice floating around but I just figured that I should post this incase anyone was wondering.
[EVO 4G General] scriptx:
Thank you for posting this. I was following the forums all day to see how the OTA was affecting rooted and non-rooted. It's ironic (and very unfortunate) that most stock users are getting bricked. Sprint not off to a good start with the EVO.
[EVO 4G General] infideler:
LOL much like the Hero.

I updated after monitoring, having only previously ran unrEVOked for wifi tether. Lucky for me, all is well.
[EVO 4G General] awesomeindeed:
Sprint is honestly not just off to a bad start with this phone, they're pretty much off to an awful start with it. Can't keep stock, can't replenish stock, bricked stock phones after OTA updates.

Not good problems to have.
[EVO 4G General] roghaj:
I would bet it was a very small percentage that was having issues. From what I saw it was the fantom second update that was causing the problems. Anyway, some of the folks who know what to do with it, have it to take apart and use for the good of the rest of us.

Yippi!

-Roger
[EVO 4G General] OneOfOne:
most non rooted getting bricked. prove it
[EVO 4G General] orris:
I'm pretty glad I got mine. Helped my 4g strength somehow. I was dropping and switching back and forth (3g to 4g) and now I have full bars and drops to two bars every now and then. Also, phone works just as perfectly as before. I haven't rooted and won't until all of the kinks are worked out.
[EVO 4G General] orris:
Not keeping stock is not really a bad thing for Sprint. They're just selling a ton of Evo's. And I don't think it's Sprint's fault for not getting new devices in (more likely HTC or the manufacturers) and the OTA is from HTC. Sprint would be fine if HTC could get their act together, although most of the problems are few and far between.