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[Nexus One General] McHale:
FRF83 Final OTA - BUSTED

http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/android/thread?tid=468801cbdf8eb9fe&hl=en&start=40

Now where are all those that were POSITIVE the FINAL N1 OTA was going on right now?
[Nexus One General] adamentity:
Speculation and gripes.

The OTA update process is vast, you have carrier controls, Google controls, code server with versioning controls.

Its fair to say if you are on the right carrier, with the right version at the right time you will receive the update. Most likely during the wee hours of your time zone. This is an official update but until you have it on your phone it may not be an official release for your carrier or your phone.

Patience is difficult to maintain when you see all the cool changes and don't have it for yourself.

Yes, this is OFFICIAL so stop questioning it. And question whether you should have it now or updated from your build.

ERE27 -> ERD79 [download]

ERE27 -> FRF50 [download] (Originally hosted by later removed by Google and shared via mediafire)

FRF50 -> FRF83 [download]

FRF72 -> FRF83 [download]

Phone Check-in :confused: *#*#2432546#*#* (can still be controlled my server-side)

These updates are commonly reported by end-users and developers that have monitored their 'logcats' for the locations. You will in most cases not see a press release from Google for each subsequent update but you may see one for the actually OS update (ie. Android 1.6 -> 2.1) They have just started learning about customer service and slowly getting better at communicating with its end-users. For example, you never saw a message about the take down of ERE27->FRF50 because to Google it's none of your business other than removing it because they didn't want users taking it by force when it may not be polished enough for consumption.

"If we didn't have expectations, there would be no disappointments." -me

BE PATIENT! I KNOW ITS TOUGH, I HAVE FLASHED EVERY TIME.
[Nexus One General] EwanG:
OK, if I have a Nexus One I bought a couple weeks ago that has 2.1-update 1 and runs on AT&T, which of the above (if any) should I install - presuming it's possible to do so without rooting the phone first?
[Nexus One General] McHale:
many of us are in the same boat. I have the same build and NONE of the files released to date will allow us to upgrade without root. I would recommend waiting for the OTA. I and many others are.
[Nexus One General] spamlucal:
carriers don't play any part with nexus one updates.. the phone checks periodically with google servers

edit: except maybe nexus sold through vodafone..
[Nexus One General] xyellx:
why vodafon why Q.Q ?

Sitting here with my 2.1-update1 epf30
[Nexus One General] :
This still hasn't been confirmed, I've search and only found allusions to that, but nothing concrete
[Nexus One General] :
thats not ota, thats aosp code. that news went out a few hours ago
[Nexus One General] IamJAX:
Let me try to check the logcat file
[Nexus One General] wesbalmer:
You can up it here, we'll find it most definately.
[Nexus One General] bsbtauldl1:
my bad....................
[Nexus One General] mnlk2:
*#*#checkin#*#* or *#*#2432546#*#*
[Nexus One General] stuff:
We all appreciate this. Any effort you put in is good for us.
[Nexus One General] MrNameless:
is there any file on google servers?
[Nexus One General] superg81:
just tried and nothing
[Nexus One General] Mo_Nexus:
i did a rom re-install after i got the ota (wiped as well) because i was having problems with adwlauncher. anyway i don't know if it would still help i can email you the alogcat file, it is too big to attach here and my mac doesn't save as .txt
[Nexus One General] wesbalmer:
Its typically branded with some extra garbage at the end of the file name, so its not easy to just find.
[Nexus One General] rodigezstyle:
if someone got the OTA update Dump your F****** System right Now !!! :D
[Nexus One General] wesbalmer:
please do, its in my profile
[Nexus One General] MrNameless:
can we scan google site with for example acunetix?
[Nexus One General] tr.slate:
when i try i just get a successful checkin
[Nexus One General] superg81:
tried again and i got "checkin succeeded"
[Nexus One General] apollostees:
Are you rooted?
[Nexus One General] :
just open it and search for FRF83 or android.clients

post that link here
[Nexus One General] phocusrs:
same for me and nothing happend like the previous OTA...???
[Nexus One General] tr.slate:
nope, fully stock on frf72. tmob austin, tx
[Nexus One General] superg81:
i just wanted to see what would happen.if it would attempt and fail
[Nexus One General] velenox:
In my opinion F3F83 is not final. Anyway we will see..
[Nexus One General] clickwir:
I believe it is naive to think Google can just push whatever they want to a TMobile phone without TMobile at least giving some basic sort of approval.

I would assume the Nexus One probably has *less* red tape... but not completely free of it and unless someone from Google AND TMobile chime in and say that Google has complete control and TMobile doesn't care what they push... it's naive to think otherwise.
[Nexus One General] naturefreak85:
And it's also naive to believe because Google says the phone will work on T-Mobile that well T-Mobile has to approve the phone. Not at all, did AT&T have to approve the Nexus One on it's network in order to use it before Google released the "Official AT&T version"? No, does AT&T give approval for any Nokia phone that they don't carry? Like the N97? Not at all.

Google may make a software but google then tests the software. Not AT&T.
[Nexus One General] clickwir:
Have any proof that ATT has absolutely no say in what can/does run on any of those phones?
[Nexus One General] :
I haven't run across anything that says either way.

Traditionally all phone updates have been pushed by the carrier and other phones not supported were pretty much out of luck in terms of firmware upgrades unless you manually hooked them up.

Android is new territory for everyone involved. The Market requires Carrier approval, so it's not too far out there that firmware updates would be carrier dependent as well.

I've been looking into to, but I can't come accross one bit of factual information that says updates are 100% carrier free. This might actually be the reason Sprint/Version/ATT panned the Nexus phone, if it turns out to be the case.
[Nexus One General] McHale:
I buy factory direct phones all the time. They have no control over phones they don't sell. They have no say if I download or cook my own ROM either. They may not like it, but there's nothing they can do about it. They only thing they care about on their own phones is putting a lot of crapware on them and making sure that they work well enough that they won't get returned in large quantities because it sucks. They really don't care about phones we buy on our own and have publicly stated that they will allow people to bring their own phones.
[Nexus One General] naturefreak85:
When I worked at AT&T (6 months ago) the consensus on unlocked phones was, hey, you can sign up for service or use it on our network, but it isn't guaranteed to work. You may not have the optimal service because we have no say in unlocked phones. I doubt this has changed, Google brought it to AT&T as just another 3G phone but unlocked. Yes, google says it is "AT&T compatible" But nowhere does it show the AT&T logo. If AT&T had a say it would show it. Remember, this same phone also works on Rogers.

So basically if your logic was correct that carriers had to approve such, since the AT&T compatible phone is also compatible with Rogers, then every single carrier that it could work with would have to approve the firmware before it could be released. Then if one carrier didn't like said firmware, you would have to fix that then resubmit for approval. In otherwords Froyo would be finally released 6 months from now.
[Nexus One General] spamlucal:
in the usa you're used to the carriers having absolute control, it would seem.

Unlocked phones are not a new territory. In europe they are very common and carriers even have "sim only" plans, which are cheaper, and you use any handset you want, as long as is unlocked or locked to that network. Updates on unlocked phones are the manufacturer's responsibility. Carriers can't do a thing.

Nexus one from the google store is an unlocked phone that ships to several countries. T-Mobile has nothing to do with it. The phone just happens to support its umts bands.
[Nexus One General] McHale:
+1. Well stated...
[Nexus One General] SoberGuy:
But, but, but...the N1 is different! Don't you get it?

Lol

Sent from my Sexy Nexy, courtesy of the fine developers of Tapatalk
[Nexus One General] Jesse6749:
Heck lets all just root and update our AT&T N1's already. Why wait any longer. Ha ha ha ha.

Update: I just did this I unlocked my bootloader, rooted and I am not running Froyo FRF83 :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
[Nexus One General] ftdn2006:
Froyo oh Froyo, where art thou Froyo?

EPE54B...I hath been waiting so long and so very patiently oh great one google. Where oh where art thou Froyo? The many tales told of its magnificence! Again I ask, where art thou Froyo? Hath the great Google forsaken us? :(
[Nexus One General] :
Damint, Google just made a fool of me, there's no updates coming out.

lol

*pours some salt on my hat*
[Nexus One General] McHale:
:)

...now lets go get some beers pard'ner
[Nexus One General] tare_panda888:
Just been told by google employee that froyo is coming out next week. And yes I have read all the other forum, so don't shoot the messenger. I am just telling you people what I've been told. I know you all want irrefutable hard evidence, but the only proof I have is word of mouth. So it's up to you if you decide to believe me or not, but there is no need to chuck the dummy.

Plus I'm not from the US so I dont know if AT&T will also get the update at the same time.
[Nexus One General] McHale:
you make the 20th or so person who talked to a google employee and got info on when the OTA would be released. Most were ABSOLUTELY positive it had already started.

I'm not even sure THEY know.
[Nexus One General] :
So more and more details come into play. 83 definately appears to be "the one".

Hooray. Best educated guess based on past update patterns. OTA will start on tues.
[Nexus One General] Eclair~:
I stopped caring about the Froyo OTA long ago, and that source dropping made me care even less. Cyanogen MOD (6?) Froyo will be 10X better than the OTA, even though I don't exactly favor Cyanogen ROMs (not because there bad). It will be my substitute until the release of a more interesting ROM -- like a Desire 2.2 port, Droid X, etc..
[Nexus One General] tare_panda888:
True, but I never said I was absolutely positive. The employee is a family member so there isn't need for them to lie to me, but I NEVER explicitly said that froyo is DEFINITELY coming next week.

For all I know, my source could be wrong. We'll see soon enough I guess.
[Nexus One General] McHale:
fingers are crossed. But honestly, I care less and less every day. Many of us are very jaded at their laughable 2010 I/O announcement.
[Nexus One General] gom4381:
I spoke to a Google employee today to complain about my phone not being able to make audible ringing sounds when the phone is receiving a call. I told her I did not root my phone but I did download the update. I was going to return my phone and she said this is a beta version floating around and this is not the final build. I don't know if she is wrong but if so I am rooting by the end of July-which would be more than enough time to get the update out.
[Nexus One General] McHale:
such as?

I haven't found anything to confirm or deny FRF83's place in the cycle.
[Nexus One General] nexusdue:
+1. Add disappointed about the inability to manage anything to do with this update.
[Nexus One General] BrittFTL:
Really????

If an update comes out with bugs, you guys *****.

If an update takes too long to come out, you guys *****.

What's wrong with google taking some time to bring a quality product to the market that wont f-up your phones. I personally prefer this method rather than them pushing an incomplete build to the market that I have to update with fixes every week. Patience guys, if you can't wait...root. Its that simple.
[Nexus One General] lostinbeta:
I can't speak for anyone else, but the frustration I'm experiencing with this situation isn't necessarily having to wait... it's how Google is handling it. They hold this huge event to announce FroYo and all it can do. Then they state that FroYo will be coming soon to Nexus Ones in the 'next few weeks' followed by an announcement that FroYo will be released to OEMs and the Open Source Community 'in the coming weeks'. Well... OEMs apparently have it if their already planning updates for their devices (or, as in japan, are already planning shipping with it), they released it to the Open Source Community, and yet us Nexus One users don't have an official release. No update on what the hold-up is, no logical explanation that could put the Android community at ease.... nothing but 'we're working feverishly to get this out'. It's been over a month Google, don't hold a big event to announce a release 'in the next few weeks' if you really meant in the next few months, and if theres a problem please let us know this so we don't have to wonder (though with the leaked updates there doesn't seem to be any major issues)

The alternate thing that is making me angry is that Google keeps letting slip all these test ROMs as if it's a tease. However, I'm on an AT&T Nexus One, and from what I understand the new radio isn't that great for AT&T and if you flash without stock FroYo radio then you lose certain abilities in FroYo. I'm aware flashing a radio is the only way to brick your N1, so I'm not really keen on just trying out and seeing if the new radio is as bad as people say for my carrier, so I'm holding out for an official OTA with hopefully something different for us. Though it makes me nervous that no test ROMs have leaked for AT&T versions. Are the builds and radios going to be the same, or are T-Mo based phones going to get the OTA before AT&T based phones do? There seems to be no distinguishing in the N1 community about AT&T and T-Mo versions of the phone, but there is a difference in this situation.

I don't mind waiting, if theres a good reason to. As it is right now, it just seems like we're all just being strung along, and I don't like that so much.
[Nexus One General] mgymnop:
Honestly I hope that FRF83 is not the final built. Don't understand me wrong Froyo is great but there are some bugs introduced in Froyo and none of the leaked versions addressed them. There are other bugs carried over from 2.1 and I absolutely don't understand why they haven't addressed them (wrong number of new emails in email application)
[Nexus One General] velenox:
So you are assuming that the delay is due the fact that Google is still working on the code.

Can you assume for just one moment that maybe there are guys with a different opinion?
[Nexus One General] velenox:
I'm sure that FRF83 is not the final build.

For me is just an'incremental patch, and the OTA has been sent only to dev and holiday phones.

What drive me crazy is the Google behavior, they closed the thread on their supported page...
[Nexus One General] McHale:
You joined XDA so your first post could be this? How long have you worked for Google?

You'll find more people complain about not having a date than not having an OTA. Google has been stringing people along since Google I/O where they said it would be out in a few weeks. Well, that was almost two months ago. After three weeks had passed, they just started saying "it'll be released shorly" which has turned into a few more weeks.

Personally, my issue is with the fact that refuse to answer the growing number of questions and what they are waiting for and how long of an ETA. During the I/O presentation, everyone was made to feel that Google Android was unlike the competitors and were a more friendly, made for the consumer, type of venture. As we've seen, everybody prefers the way every other company handles these types of situations.

As far as root, I'll tell you what I told the fine people in the Google forums. I didn't root my phone because I wanted the Google "experience" of the OS the way that Google intended it as well as "all of the OTA" updates so I don't have to wait for companies like HTC or Motorola to catch up. Well, the Google experience sucks balls and HTC and Motorola will be releasing Froyo in a couple weeks - and THEY were able to give an ETA to their customers.
[Nexus One General] kolyan:
I've been on Froyo for over a month now......and frankly speaking, i dont really give a **** when Official Release comes out
[Nexus One General] ftdn2006:
Is it worth the wait?

I've been thinking about rooting since its taking so long, so I looked at the features of Cyanogen's 5 mod and other than the lack of flash support, is there really much more of a difference his mod and froyo? I don't really give a damn about the warranty, but if Cyanogen offers a better rom or one with with similar features to froyo, then it may be worth the root. I don't root mainly because I haven't felt it to be worth the time as of yet. Long time smartphone modder here, used to cook roms for winmo even. What would you guys do? I'll probably give it another week before doing anything.
[Nexus One General] McHale:
If I was running the Froyo beta, I wouldn't care much either. You're mean.

Cyan's 6 should be released this weekend sometime so if you're going to do it, wait for that. He apparently is better than Google's whole team getting this thing running on the N1 (and at giving ETA's).
[Nexus One General] mik3l04:
Everything you stated.. Dead on. Love the phone but this unknown especially having an AT&T compatible version is just get getting ridiculous. All they have to do is practice what they preach and be open with us and I am happy to wait however many weeks or months it takes for them to get it out.
[Nexus One General] velenox:
+1 for you.
[Nexus One General] jatinps:
oh boy they shut the thread on google forum - I was jatinps on there

Here is my a part of my post from there :)

"Ofcourse I don't want a failure of an OS update - but clearly thats not the case - the frf83 thingie works perfectly and brings in some critical missing functionality of exchange and calendaring (not to mention goodies like flash). If they were to just release it as is, I would take it even with some bugs (which I can't find right now in 2 days of use!!!). So google can just release it now and OTA any bug fixes once ready because frf83 is a pretty stable functional build which solves many issues!"
[Nexus One General] P00r:
I have an unbranded google phone that I use on Fido, it is the same frequency set as the AT&T (There's only 2 type of frequency Euro and NAM) I run the latest radio and I have great performance from it, wifi is also quite good

They are not letting slip rom, they are making test with phone they handed to people on purpose... since they have done so quite a few people are running froyo, so it's a matter of choice, either you root or you wait but I feel this is quite fair having such choice, My previous phone N95 got 1 update over 3 year and NO feature was added and NO beta leaked...
[Nexus One General] McHale:
someone picked up where it left off:

http://www.google.com/support/forum...4e&hl=en&fid=5df925d23bf95b4e000489f19f40f72e

I'm flattered they closed it right after I said that Windows Phone 7 would be released soon. :)
[Nexus One General] jatinps:
excellent we are back in action on the biggest froyo request thread ever :)
[Nexus One General] McHale:
yup. see you there!
[Nexus One General] jakelauer:
I had also posted in that thread. I wish the Google employees that had been replying had just said SOMETHING to calm everybody down. People generally don't care when something will happen as long as they know when that is. If Google would just tell us when we can expect Froyo, they wouldn't have this ravenous river of ePiranhas.
[Nexus One General] venec:
**** it, i couldn't wait anymore, I just unlocked the boot loader, rooted my phone and got froyo.... and i'm loving it...

I guess if this only voids my software warranty and i didn't screw up my phone rooting it, if from now on i just stick with OTA, i should be OK , shouldn't I?
[Nexus One General] jakelauer:
Unlocking the bootloader only voids the software warranty? I thought it was the whole warranty.
[Nexus One General] PacoL250:
Patience is a virtue to some degree...

Somebody call the whaaaaamulance...?

At least that's how this thread seems to be going. Look, I'll be the first to tell you, I'm not please with how Google has been stringing us all out. They screwed up in communicating the fact that they really didn't have a final release date for Android v2.2, end of story. Us *****ing about it even more than we already have won't make it come out any earlier, and neither will acting like spoiled children not getting what they want.

Yes, Google didn't make it clear at all in regards to the release. Honestly, they should have just mentioned that they have tentative plans to release it in the middle of the Summer, and left it at that, letting people know that they planned on releasing test versions, etc. prior to final release. They didn't, and that surely was a bone headed mistake.

Google I/O was around mid-May and it's been slightly over a month, and we have gotten incremental test releases since then, with bugs cropping their head up here and there. So clearly, Google won't be releasing anything just yet.

Also, anybody think about the possibility that they may not be releasing v2.2 just yet because they want to avoid adding more that fragmentation cluster$%#@ that is Android? Sure Google can blame itself on this one, but one can just as easily blame the phone manufacturers on this too. They have yet to give concrete dates on anything Froyo (for some, even Eclair), and it's really pathetic on that part. You want "stringing along," ask Motorola or HTC when some of their phones will get Eclair and they'll refer you to a bloody press release.

Sucks for the customers here, but it's not like we've lost anything just yet. Personally, I'd rather they take a little more time than release a final build that is really far from being final.
[Nexus One General] :
Well they did say something, it's just vague.

I'll be honest, I only know cause I'm a dweeb and I'm on XDA, otherwise, chances are I would know jack **** about the fact that they haven't been outspoken.
[Nexus One General] jakelauer:
Honestly, I feel that people are taking this thing way too seriously and freaking out WAY too much. I've read that some people are selling their N1's and getting iPhone 4s, which is a huge overreaction. That said, it would be nice if Google acted like they normally do and give realistic updates. For people like me, with the EPE54B build, there has been virtually no news straight from Google about what is happening. All I really want from them is to tell us whether or not FRF83 is the final build or not (probably not) and some kind of status update as to what they're fixing.
[Nexus One General] PacoL250:
Bolded to make my point: if that's really the case, then people are idiots. No way I'm taking a loss on a phone that's quite powerful still. That's the pinnacle of impatience and stupidity.
[Nexus One General] BrittFTL:
Maybe they don't have an ETA, ever think of that. And it hasn't been two months, try a month and six days (May 20th Announcement). I'm sure Google is working as fast as they possibly can and will get it out to us customers when its ready, not before. Just because the Froyo OS Source has been released to the development community doesn't mean that the Nexus One specific software is ready. Cool your heels and try and realize that they are trying to give you best experience possibly with your specific phone. If you think that other manufacturers can handle google's software better then switch phones. Google works on their own schedule, not yours. When they have a date they will give it, do you think they are doing this on purpose to try and tick people off. Think about it.