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[Epic 4G General] docsparks:
Me and another guy went to return our EVO's today, in light of the EPIC, well, the fact we went in yesterday for the same ****, but my buddy running the store told me yesterday they have no info at all on release date..

He got some info from Sprint today, release date is "black friday" the last friday before thanks giving...

Hell of a long time to wait, regardless if I could of returned my EVO, put my sprint service on a **** phone, and kept my 2 year upgrade/new contract eligability available until the EPIC comes out...

5 months? To hell with that. Ill probally be able to sell my EVO in a little bit shy of 100$ of what the epic will cost me in full. so to hell with it, We kept our EVOs.

I hate sense. I cant stand the 30FPS cap, I never use the HDMI the way i thought it would be implemented, and that extra $10 fee for .. well, nothing is kind of starting to bother me the more I think about it.

In the end, evo still crushes my other friends iphone4, even though their so ****ing stupid and wont accept anything besides there own opinion, and just tried to laugh at the evo apparently. i-d-i-o-t-s.

..still most of me likes the nexus more but tmobile just sucks in my area.
[Epic 4G General] wrx4memp:
you will not have to wait till the black friday... by that time (end of summer / fall) we will be playing with nVidia Tegra powered phones running in the neighborhood of 1.2ghz to 1.5ghz natively ... that can push 1080p with a breeze and have better battery life than snapdragon powered devices ... unfortunately 1st run of nVidia Tegra powered phones will be windows 7 instead of android ...
[Epic 4G General] Tundricles:
looks like a childs toy, untill they make a proper phone with keyboard that doesn't look like it comes from fisher price I say nay to thee!
[Epic 4G General] jayv1717:
damn...black friday..that is too long to wait
[Epic 4G General] Bootup:
Black Friday is the day AFTER Thanksgiving what would put it at November 26th.
[Epic 4G General] davebu:
"The EVO 4G, while having an impressive set of specifications, still runs a 65 nm chip that is less power efficient and pales in terms of graphics performance when compared to the Galaxy S." http://alienbabeltech.com/main/?p=17125 good read comparing the processors, Super AMOLED is way better, colors, battery, everything, and the hummingbird has a superior GPU and is only a 45nm compared to our 65nm. HTC has always been about numbers, get the 1GHz processor, 8MP camera, 4.3" screen, but not always the best quality of them. the Epic may be better in some respects.

I wouldn't give my EVO for an EPIC right now though, xda, quality and reliability of HTC hardware, and sense (menus and contacts, not widgets) are just to good to pass up. Also, I don't really like any hardware keyboard after the TP2, samsungs is still not on the same level. samsungs sometimes feel cheap, HTC's feel and look like higher quality devices.

Its Apples and Oranges, just get your Bananas out of here.

*EDIT*

Also I have heard from Sprint Reps the EPIC will be out no later than August, more likely mid July.

Additionally CLEAR will be starting phone services this year and have announced HTC and Samsung devices, most likely these two.
[Epic 4G General] datafirm:
Hardware keyboards are one thing (I tend to not like them), but horizontal hardware keyboards are just terrible. Am I the only one that almost never holds their phone horizontally?

I'll keep my EVO, or go with the standard Galaxy S, as long as it can go Vanilla.
[Epic 4G General] toenail78:
sorry, im an htc guy
[Epic 4G General] RikusHaven:
I have only ever liked the Blackberry Curve 8330, but on the horizontal thing, I too, barely hold it like that, it is good for games and some occasions, but I prefer Vertically. :]
[Epic 4G General] xifranx:
Ya know I had my EVO 4G for like 3 weeks and then i Traded it in for an iPhone 4 I just had to see what the hype was about and see if the battery thing was true....its not i charge this **** 2 times a day just like my evo (Biggest Mistake of my Life I had that signal issue rly bad) but im kindda stuck for now because i want to ether get the white EVO 4G or the Epic but i need a Release date id hate to get stuck in a ATT contract cuz they suck here in NYC im praying for a July 15 Surprise Release Date

thats when the New Rim phones Drop and the Droid X and the White EVO Golden Day?
[Epic 4G General] MrDSL:
I was interested in this phone also until I did a bit more research on custom roms etc. There won't be any!

Apparently Samsung has some kind of security on the phone that you can't touch the drivers. From what I read its impossible to do ANYTHING without the drivers.

It doesn't look good at all for custom roms etc on the Samsung. Just not worth losing all the custom things on my EVO.
[Epic 4G General] Sebrina:
I can tell the OP never had a Samsung phone the Moment which is also a Samsung phone does have a development community behind it, Google SDX-Developers.

Also the skin can be replaced easily and cooking an AOSP ROM isn't exactly hard. Two big pluses I can't get over that keep ringing in my head are the sexy as hell SUPER AMOLED screen and the Hummingbird processor, which spanks the Snapdragon in every benchmark.

Wow, you have no idea what you're talking about no offense, Samsung phones have been rooted and modified for a long long time there is no special settings or protection. And a kernal HAS to be produced by law, since Android is an Open Source project.

Look for yourself, wow no community at all:

http://www.sdx-developers.com/
[Epic 4G General] MrDSL:
Did I say anything about root? What does root have to do with drivers?? Maybe you need to do some research!! Samsung has their own security on the phone to protect their drivers!! This is a fact. Go read the Samung Galaxy S forums that are right here and thats been the case with past Samsung phones.

I didnt mention kernel either. Did you even read my post?
[Epic 4G General] Sebrina:
If that's been the case with past Samsung phones, then why are there like 20+ custom ROMs for the Moment alone that work perfectly fine with original drivers and are completely different from stock builds.

I know this because I came from a Moment been rooting/flashing/hacking it since the day it was released, this is the first I've ever heard of anything like this and it was never a problem then, unless this is new for the Galaxy S line which I doubt.

Also the reason I brought up custom ROMs was because you brought them up:

Go look at my link you'll see a wide library of Samsung custom ROM builds, so how is it impossible to have custom ROMs on a Samsung phone?
[Epic 4G General] wphend00:
Although I don't have too many posts on this forum, I will say that the Samsung Press event that they had, last night, stated that the S Pro\Epic would be released, later this Summer, or, as the Article http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/29/samsung-epic-4g-preview/here quotes the Sprint REP's "Before the end of the Summer" which would place it around August (a little after the July 11th release date of the Intercept). The TP2 was released last year, in September, and the TP was released, in 08, in October (a year later). So we are looking at the very least, August (Summer is generally June, July, and August with fall being September, October and November, and Winter being December, January, February, and so forth and so forth) and at the most, September.

Other schematics that come into play, would be, Windows Mobile 7 handsets will be released, around October. And we are probably looking at some other carrier getting the Iphone, and releasing it around Holiday season as well.
[Epic 4G General] zonyl:
Thankfully I caught this topic as I was just contemplating returning my EVO and waiting for the EPIC. Looking at the hardware specs the EPIC is a far better phone, however, it looks like I will be staying.

Forgive my ignorance on this topic, but it would appear from a quick reading of SDX that the Samsung driver source code is not released as opensource (never will). This would make it very difficult to port a newer AOS to the phone: http://forum.sdx-developers.com/android-2-1-questions/froyo-ported-to-moto-droid-does-this-help-us/msg48697/#msg48697 Anyone confirm / deny that? I dont exactly see a bunch of posts there regarding a usable custom Froyo rom for the moment.

I agree the Epic is a better phone _stock_, but I doubt it will ever see Gingerbread. I am beginning to think the EVO is a much better forward thinking platform (most of us will have to keep it for at least a year) and am comfortable in knowing it will get Gingerbread as soon as the source is released. http://techcrunch.com/2010/06/16/android-team-laser-focused-on-the-user-experience-for-next-release/
[Epic 4G General] fr4nk1yn:
I'll be checking it out. My wife wants an Evo of her own.

If the build quality is good and TouchWiz can be turned off AND if something stellar isn't released before my Dec upgrade this will be on the short list of phones. Either for me, and hand down the Evo, or her.

The size of the Evo's screen makes up for the processor and camera somewhat.

Asphalt runs like mud on the Evo ):
[Epic 4G General] MrDSL:
The Samsung galaxy s is already released and rooted..

How many custom roms are there for it? None

Custom recovery? Nope

What about the Behold 2?

Does the moment have a 2.2 rom? If not is it because they have no drivers for it?
[Epic 4G General] riggs62:
I had the moment and lots of issues. I will not return to Samsung!
[Epic 4G General] ortizdupri:
Comparing specs is not the same as comparing phones - I'd say it's hard to jump on the Epic bandwagon, considering we know nothing about its build quality, issues (which there will be some, every phone has them), or handling.

And personally, I don't see the hype about the AMOLED? They're pretty, sure, but on a day to day basis, makes no difference to me.
[Epic 4G General] wphend00:
YEs, you are the only one...
[Epic 4G General] eduardmc:
well, i'm using the 50fps cap and from what i can see the evo is smoother and has fast. People need to try this hack and i cannot wait when the cap is broken. right now after disabling senses and using launch pro, i can say that is feels like an iphone (butter smooth scrolling and screen transition) u can see some tearing but is not bad.

This is so smooth that i'm using the hack in my main rom (even though the camera and videos does not work) and if i have to use my camera all i do is a nandroid boot restore. I try going back to the regular kennel and i can't, the different is night and day.
[Epic 4G General] shep211:
They have a forum for the Samsung Galaxy S I9000. The phone will be out for every carrier. It has same cpu\gpu as the iphone 4. I think there will be a lot of users using this new phone. I think they will have a dev team and will have custom roms. I will wait to see if they get it rooted and if there is no tergra 2 cpu\gpu out I will get one for sure.

http://xdaforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=656
[Epic 4G General] MrDSL:
The Behold II was promised 2.1 and it never happened..something to think about.
[Epic 4G General] donatom3:
My experience with Samsung has always been the same. Great hardware but buggy software that won't get updated until you're ready to buy your next phone. Plus after having the Pre I like having a phone that is one solid piece with no moving parts.
[Epic 4G General] Dsmithjr:
Why would anyone think that the Epic won't also come with a $10 per month "4G Premium" service charge? I think this charge is going to be applied to all of Sprint's 4G phones.
[Epic 4G General] neckface:
Ditto'd. Why wouldn't it be.
[Epic 4G General] jpflaw00:
I have to agree :D
[Epic 4G General] egzthunder1:
Thread moved to General.
[Epic 4G General] Pops_G:
There are now ROMs for the Galaxy S.

http://android.modaco.com/content/s...rom-for-samsung-galaxy-s-with-online-kitchen/

I am sure there are more to come.
[Epic 4G General] Sebrina:
Sometimes people need to not take unreliable "sources" so seriously, so you still think there won't be ROMs for the Galaxy S? LOL!

Wait, how can it be?!?!?! We were already told by an "expert" that we would never see a Galaxy S ROM... EVER!

Humm... 2.2 Froyo for the Moment? Here:

http://forum.sdx-developers.com/tester-board/working-froyo-system-zip/ (0.6 Alpha, in development)

Changelog so far:

This is Alpha build. Which means it will not be fully functional. Once the source is released then we can began editing files to get this thing working correctly, things that are being worked on:

Radio doesn't work yet (calls, SMS, internet, etc)

SD mount doesn't work

Sound doesn't work

keyboard, volume doesn't work

Light on home, menu, back, and keyboard working fine(fixed in alpha 3)

Vibrate working fine(fixed in alpha 3)

2d graphic is working fine(fixed in alpha 3) < drivers, drivers, drivers

Wifi and Bluetooth doesn't work.

System crashes every 3 to 5 minutes

Mind you this is hardly ready for primetime but that's why it's called Alpha and is under development.

Now please, stop spreading misinformation.
[Epic 4G General] parousia15:
There is nothing about the epic that is appealing to me. I don't like the plastic look to it. The processing specs are identical to the evo. I'm not quite sure what people feel samsungs that there 1phx processor is superior. That was never made clear. It just seems that people have been seeing. Perhaps it has a better GPU, but that doesn't affect me.

Personally, I feel that the Droid X is a sharp phone. However, even after watching the vids, I still have no regrets about the Evo. Best phone I've ever had (perhaps I'm just glad to be free of WM).
[Epic 4G General] Sebrina:
Huh? How are the 2 processors identical? One is a 65nm chip the other is 45 and the battery consumption difference is HUGE, we're talking up to 50% less power! Guess what 1ghz may look like a duck but it certainly doesn't quack like one.

Not to mention it's capable of 90 million triangles/sec and guess what there's no 30fps lockdown. Did I mention it's SUPER-AMOLED screen blows everything away up to and INCLUDING the new iPhone's screen out of the water? It also feels better in the hand not as bulky. This phone along with the Droid X will also be amoung the first to come with ddr2 memory (see the detailed comparison chart below). And full 720p @ 30fps not 25, it's also rumored to have the same camera senor that the iPhone uses so yeah not the cheap sensor in the Evo.

Galaxy S > Droid X > Evo

Detailed Comparison Chart
[Epic 4G General] heygrl:
Like I've said before, there isn't even a set launch date. It's not launching this month..
[Epic 4G General] Sebrina:
No it's not, they said this summer, latest is August. Let's see would I rather wait a month or two or pick up a crippled device and be stuck with it for a year, I'm a very patient gal. + )

At worst the phone won't be as good in production as it is on paper at which point I have the option to return and pick up something else but staying with the Evo after the first month I'm stuck with the phone, no thanks.
[Epic 4G General] TheBiles:
I have to hold it on my hands and see how the community is first.

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[Epic 4G General] StealthTH:
No for a few reasons.

I had a samsung moment for my previous phones and the radios were terrible with lockup issues. I'm also worried about updates, thickness, no multitouch (none on moment, noticed when they showed off on engadget that the zoom in/out touch buttons on display were there so there probably won't be multitouch). Finally, I'm just really happy with my EVO.
[Epic 4G General] Sebrina:
1) Look it up on youtube they have videos of the presentation where they played with the multitouch screen.

2) It's 2mm thicker than an Evo yet not as long, lighter and narrower. It's almost funny that you would bring this up coming from the monster that is the Evo (in size anyway lol).

3) Data lockups on the Moment will more than likely not be there on this device as this is not a Moment or a Moment 2 it's a Galaxy S if there were lockups they would be posted already seeing as the Galaxy S GSM un-locked variant is already in production.
[Epic 4G General] zonyl:
Just because someone can get a Linux kernel booting on a toaster doesnt mean it will still make toast. WIthout the radio working that isnt what I would call a useful port of 2.2. If you plot the progress of that port (which is extremely slow and difficult on samsung due to no driver source) against the current user-base I think the outcome is clear this Froyo will never be 100% working on the moment. We will likely have the same issue with the Epic 4G. The only phones with surprisingly long upgrade paths have been HTC's. (Vogue)

In the future when October rolls around, the Epic is the new "Evo" of Sprint, masses buy the phone and then rumors / phones having the Tegra chipset start appearing. At that point, you will have two similar phones "Evo" and "Epic" that are now obsolesced (think Hero / Moment). One of these could have the beginnings of Gingerbread working on it before its 1 yr anniversary, the other is going to be a constant stuggle of Alphas with no radio working.

This was definitely the year for the monumental phone hardware. We now have a phone that is physically as big as any will ever get, with screens as large as they will ever get, resolutions as high as anyone would care and see, video calling, 4G data, and 802.11n. The only thing left for a device in the future to improve in is 3D performance, battery life, novel input methods (gyro / slide out keyboard / etc), and software. I dont know about you, but software is the only thing I really care about at this point as I dont play 3D games on phones, I charge every night, and Swype does it for me. Thus I would have a hard time justifying buying another phone to replace the one I have now as long as I have a clear software upgrade path.

Whatever the outcome is though I'm glad my 1yr is up June 1st.
[Epic 4G General] Sebrina:
What are you talking about? My post was directed at someone who said the Galaxy S series (along with other Samsung Models including the Moment) would never have custom ROMs I can link at least a dozen for the Moment but I'm pretty sure you've seen those if you havn't go to SDX-Developers, as far as the new Galaxy S that was dis-proven in this very thread.

As far as that build not having a radio working yet means nothing look at the other few dozen ROMs that are released for the Moment and stop basing facts on one Froyo ROM that doesn't have a working radio yet because it's still an Alpha release. If it makes you feel better the HTC Evo doesn't have a working ROM with a camera yet doesn't mean it never will. I know you want to defend and justify your purchase of an already subpar device but throwing around random misinformation such as Samsung devices will never have custom ROMs isn't the way to go about it.
[Epic 4G General] MrDSL:
Yes a ROM based off the ROM that samsung released.. Big deal..I mean yes you can have a custom ROM as long as its based off the release or leaked release of Samsung.

Some tweaks here and there and removing some apps but thats it.
[Epic 4G General] MrDSL:
Alpha? haha yeah keep waiting for that lol
[Epic 4G General] MrDSL:
You're comparing a camera not working to the radio? When you have a 2.2 ROM for the Moment that has most things working besides a camera then get back to us..

When I mentioned custom roms I meant something NOT based on what Samsung has released or leaked. A release that boots into 2.2 but does nothing else doesn't count even if you want to tag it alpha..

Is there a AOSP 2.1 for the Moment?
[Epic 4G General] starplaya93:
Everybody is missing the big picture with the entire samsung galaxy s line of phones...Samsung is going BIG with this launch. The galaxy is going to be on pretty much every major provider in the world. They are spending billions on advertising. they're doing more for this line of phones then they have probably done for just about any of their product lines...

The evo is a great phone. The droid x is cool. The iphone 4 is sleek.

But the galaxy s epic, vibrant, captivate and fascinate WILL be the phones of the year.

They will have the fastest graphics processors and highest quality screens on any phone in all of 2010. I know Samsung has a bad rep with supporting their phones, but face it, the chances of them dropping the ball on the galaxy s line up after their spending so much to make sure it is considered the best phone out to date is pretty slim. They will at least update it till froyo:D

And for those who don't think developers AREN'T going to flock to the galaxy in a heart beat...YOU ARE CRAZY AND NO NOTHING ABOUT TECHNOLOGY. The graphics processor in the galaxy TRUMPS any phone currently out, combine the evo, droidx and iphone 4 and you still don't come close...

ITS EVERY 3D DEVELOPERS DREAM!

p.s I am a evo user... But i have been watching the galaxy line up for almost 2 months now...Im not sure I will be able to resist...The evo does rock though!
[Epic 4G General] zonyl:
Quite the contrary, as a developer and a smartphone user I pref the EVO (I was on the Epic Bandwagon until I read that Samsung makes it difficult for custom kernels). I would suspect you meant to say if you are into gaming on a phone, watching benchmarks, and impressing people with color saturation, you would be flocking to the Epic.

I am using companies history to help predict future:

1.) Samsung does not release source for their drivers, HTC does.

2.) Both companies have a history of releasing up to one OS update per device.

Combing those two statements, my prediction is that the Epic will get 2.2 but not 3.0. The EVO will get 2.2 and likely an unofficial working 3.0 by Nov. As great as gaming on a phone is and color saturation while on facebook and email, I'd rather have 3.0 when it comes out. http://www.unwiredview.com/2010/06/30/android-3-0-gingerbread-details-1280x760-resolution-1ghz-minimum-specs-mid-oct-release/.

Who knows Epic might get lucky and they skip 2.2 and go to 3.0, but its a gamble. I'd much rather have a nice phone this summer now and enjoy a new one beginning next summer.
[Epic 4G General] MrDSL:
Thats the main thing right there! Thats not to say someone couldn't reverse engine but it hasn't happened with Samsung yet so.

If someone can prove me wrong that Samsung has released their drivers before then please do.
[Epic 4G General] apollooff320:
The original Droid was every 3D developers dream and look at that. Look at the market place do you see any game that actually takes advantage of it's GPU? Hell no. You can have fun running benchmark test though.
[Epic 4G General] LordLugard:
Not everyone cares for custom ROMS. If a phone works just fine out of the box without gimped features, then i'm fine with stock ROM. I've been burned by custom ROMS in the past on past devices that i'm wary of them nowadays anyway.

I have me eyes set on the Epic but would like more detailed reviews as time gets nearer. So far only Engadget has done a preview and they found it good indeed but more substantial hands-on is needed.
[Epic 4G General] toenail78:
just my opinion but i feel that those that dont care for custom roms just havent found the right one yet or basically just gave up too early after only testing a small amount of them.. in my experience custom roms have made boring phones worth having.. the htc diamond is so basic but when you add that custom rom its like a whole nother phone with a fast and much better experience.. i only want a phone that has the ability to be unlocked..
[Epic 4G General] Rootwind:
Hopefully they are actually not spending billions on advertising... as that seems to average out to be upwards of $400 of advertising per phone sold... with a very generous estimate of 5 million sold.
[Epic 4G General] toenail78:
thats what was said about the nexus one
[Epic 4G General] donatom3:
Umm except teh Galaxy is actually announced and shown in all carrier flavors already. That being said I don't trust Samsung on the software side.
[Epic 4G General] MrDSL:
I think its safe to say that is the minority here.
[Epic 4G General] donatom3:
Minority here, but majority amongst the populace. As much as we'd love to believe it we do not outnumber the general population.