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[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jodhas:
Yes, it does. However I am relieved that its only a matter of time before the devs cook up something nice. (Provided that we get the kernel source in the near future).

Rest assured that the bottleneck for embarrassing 720p recording does not lie in hardware but in the code.

1. Processor: The Snapdragon and the Apple processor is in par with one another.

2. Sensor: The Omnivision Sensor can do the following maximum image transfer rates

8 Mpixel (3264x2448): 10 fps

1080p 30fps

720p 60fps

VGA 60fps

QVGA 120FPS

3: Transfer Rate: Class 2 can support up to 2MB/s. From what I remember Iphone 4 uses the class 2 as well. No bottleneck there.

The phone as been out for about a month now. I am waiting patiently until the day we can unleash the full potentials of 720p recording.

Having said that, I am frustrated that HTC/Android (Google) pretty much gimped a perfectly fine cpu/sensor combination.

I mean, there would be ABSOLUTELY NO EDGE that iphone would have over the EVO if and only if our 720p was in par with theirs. I don't understand their logic behind this.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jodhas:
Yes we would need the kernel source. Instead of guessing wherein the problem lies, we can go straight to the "source" (no pun intended) of the problem.

In the example of the poor 720p quality, we can change few lines pertaining to the fps and the bitrate in the build.prop but it does not fix the problem. While we do see some improvement on the bitrate side, the fps "fix" doesn't do anything. So from that, we can assume that there is an underlying low-level issue that must be addressed, such as a poorly written or a gimped driver issue. But until we see the source, we cannot pinpoint and write a good apk (program) that will solve the issue. Someone can spend days coding and brute forcing their way, but if we can see the source, we don't need to "reinvent the wheels" or cross our fingers as we compile. We can just code away as per the source.

I hope that helped. If I did a poor job of explaining, I'm sure there are more knowledgeable teachers out there who can explain.

And lastly, you are right when you say that it is a software problem. Unlike Apple who is trying disguise a hardware problem with a software "fix", we are genuinely blessed with a nice piece of hardware, we just need the software to catch up. But as for the codec, h.264 will make the file size smaller not necessarily "better". So it is safe to assume that this is strictly limited by the software. Time will fix this.

edit: I'm willing to donate, as I'm sure as there are others, to those who find the "cure" to the embarrassing 720p performance. I believe we are just 1 feature away from completely K.O.'ing the iphone 4.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FunYunZ:
Hmm, maybe we are holding it wrong when we are recording? jokes aside, how long does HTC usually take to release the source? I'm sure its not going to be anytime soon, as we are still receiving updates and still waiting for Froyo, unless those updates don't matter?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ramiss:
Maybe a stupid question, but is there any way a 3rd party app can do this? Maybe not realtime, but surely a video recorder app could capture in the native HTC ganked codec, then re-encode and save as h.264!
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stewie-droid:
Thank you and no that was awesome explanation!!! Hoping code would get released soon.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] a111z:
does anyone realize that you can already record in h.264, open the camcorder go to sttings and then change the codec. it doesnt look better anyway
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] evoxsin:
I was aware if this as well.....but the phone is compressing "playback" fps at horrible settings for a better end user ecperience
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tkrechel:
You do realise that you can NOT record 720p with that codec right? Try again
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FunYunZ:
umm where are you guys seeing this? all I see is H.263, and MPEG4, under each resolution...
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] evoxsin:
If your under the 720 resolution it let's you record only in mpeg4 if you switch to adifferent The only other codec in the category it auto changes the resolution to alesser quality.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FunYunZ:
Yea which is H.263, not H.26FOUR.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] evoxsin:
Oooops. Your right:cool:
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] -shift-:
thanks for this!
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] evoxsin:
Htc released the kernel on july 4th.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tundricles:
Evo seems to have richer colors, iphone seems less pixelated, but holy mother MARY Does the EVO AUDIO Suck Donkey BALLS! I hope this is a Codec issue and not a Microphone issue! My fear that it is a hardware issue, I hear the iphone 4 has 3 Mics? Only reason I would get an iphone 4 is to have an all-in-one small device I can confidentially record concerts with and not worry about terrible audio/video.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mrono:
holy crap that audio does suck, I couldn't figure out what the sound actually was till the iphone video
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] FunYunZ:
Nevermind, http://developer.htc.com/
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] srtpusher:
yeah, but neither audio sounded good IMO... the iphone seemed washed out a bit, just like the boat video comparision posted earlier. the mic is interesting. i need to play with this phone a bit more. my upgrade isn't for a few more months.. :(
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nahanee20:
so to get the best quality should we set it to h.263 or mpeg4?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stewie-droid:
Guys with official release of source code of htc kernel now the crappy quality of software driver can be addressed. Hope our awesome developers will include those fixes in their rom/kernel releases. Really would be awesome to see that fixed.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Raadius:
Me too, I'm all for helping an XDA developer than waiting for HTC to get off there ass. Who ever takes this on, ill throw down $50 to s.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xominous:
Any updates on this?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Henrock11:
Anyone have an update on this?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] azichek:
Resurrecting the thread. Can any DEV's fix the video/audio quality problem while recording?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] engagedtosmile:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=711808&page=19
[myTouch 3G Slide Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] skullkandy:
I replaced my old update.zip with the new one eugene cooked to include a2sd.

then I did:

"Once You load the Recovery via update.zip, Unplug & Plug the USB to make sure the Device is Seen..

- Open Command Prompt from Computer

- Adb shell

- sdparted

- Next Follow the Command, y = Y to confirm.."

it ran properly and created the partitions.

Then I rebooted placed the backup of my sd card back on the SD.

rebooted into recovery, wiped data and installed slidemeroot5r1

I downloaded titanium and restored my backup.

Everything seemed to work fine but I would like to know if it took, i guess it just seemed too easy. Is there a way with root explorer for me to know if my backed up apps were restored to the right place rather than to the internal storage? I never used a2sd on my rooted g1.
[myTouch 3G Slide Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] slinky1914:
If you want to see if your apps are on the sd card. I would download app monster. When you open it, it tells you at the top how much space is on your internal memory it should say something like. 140mb/145mb Your numbers may be a little different than mine. But if it looks like that then you are in good shape.
[myTouch 3G Slide Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ratchetrizzo:
As he said.

I have 98 apps installed and I'm at 110 out of 145.

Not EVERYTHING will be stored on your sd ext part, some things still need to go in internal memory (like cache and settings and whatnot)
[myTouch 3G Slide Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] skullkandy:
I have 114 free. I don't have a whole lot of apps installed cause I run pretty clean. Does that sound like a2sd is doing it's thing?
[myTouch 3G Slide Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] thugmafia:
cant seem to get this 2 work can you plz tell me the step by step precess plz
[myTouch 3G Slide Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] falken98:
Those were step by step instructions. If you need assistance with something you need to post a more specific question.

Where are you having trouble? what have you tried? what error messages are you getting? What isn't working?
[G1 General] kingklick:
why is every single thread of mine locked......................

not one PM or response to a PM

**MOD EDIT**

See this thread for details; http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=7027241&postcount=19

//MOD EDIT
[G1 General] hey123:
arent you under investigation...
[G1 General] geokuttan:
http://androidspin.com/2010/07/01/cant-we-all-just-get-along/

i guess
[G1 General] jmhalder:
IBTL!!! Lol, saw on Cyanogen's twitter mentioning that all the files in one of your "Roms" checksummed the same as someone else's release... any truth to that?
[G1 General] geokuttan:
thats what i heard :(
[G1 General] kingklick:
thats what we call an exaggeration
[G1 General] jmhalder:
care to elaborate? what remained the same?
[G1 General] geokuttan:
so its not true??
[G1 General] garok89:
meh....just for fun

WRONG SECTION!!! READ THE RULES!!!

...lol...
[G1 General] geokuttan:
LOL....:D:D:D
[G1 General] lolmensch:
+1

(some chars)
[G1 General] hey123:
well im flashing your froyo now. well keep us updated king. not for or against anybody. dont know enough about deving to have an opinion.
[G1 General] maddoguk:
seems very much a case of guilty until proven innocent.
[G1 General] smjfosho:
All of this is stupid, this is a community working with something that is OPEN SOURCE, so nothing is technically stealing, but if you use someone's work, just give credit. People just need to grow up and work together.
[G1 General] geokuttan:
thats true..but i think that you still need to get permission from others if someone is using other's stuff...:cool: ...unless its straight from AOSP...i believe thats the forum rool
[G1 General] kingklick:
well I'd love to see when that "rooL" is enforced

Download 75% of the sense hero roms on here, you'll see the a2sd script i put in my roms among MANY other things of MINE.

I WILL NOT NAME NAMES!

if u dont believe me Ill tweet the names to u

THIS IS OPEN SOURCE IF YOU DONT LIKE IT BUY AN HD2
[G1 General] rsfaze:
open source does not mean you can go taking others people work and passing it off as your own... but I guess since you did one a2sd script that everyone used you feel it was right to take 95% of another rom and relabel it your own?

A simple credit would of taken care of this whole mess and kept everyone of your threads from being locked. It's not hard to tell others that YOU did not do everything in YOUR rom, but you choose to say you don't work with team douche but you sure are quick to take from them..

Let's make sure we are comparing apples to apples here King..
[G1 General] Macrophage001:
Well...I don't want to be an a-hole but I did find a file posted by firerat in your Froyo2G1 ROM...and...well....it doesn't really agree with your statement...as far as I can tell but there could be other forces at hand here <_< >_> that are trying to demolish your rep. I don't know...Just my .02$
[G1 General] mssmison:
Firstly I've moved this thread to general discussion. I'll leave a short redirect for it.

This is the original post from the moderator who closed your threads, posted by his request and awaiting your response.
[G1 General] mghtyred:
Gotta love the internet, where the rule of law means ****. Anyone ever heard of innocent until proven guilty?

Heck, Klick hasn't even been formally notified by the XDA staff as to why his threads are locked, never mind a formal accusation. Yet it seems the community has already made it's decision, with pitchforks and torches in hand.

I'm sorry, but what a crock! If any of you were accused of an offense, i'm sure you'd all want the benefit of the doubt, and a fair hearing before being tarred and feathered!

I strongly encourage the XDA staff to contact Klick directly in regards to this issue, and to make a public statement. Anything less constitutes a witchhunt, and I for one do not want to sit idly by and watch that unfold!
[G1 General] jmhalder:
meh, KingKlick HAS contributed a good amount, his sense builds are pretty darn good, and before we had a working GPU, his 2.0/2.1 builds were pretty good too... but I dont exactly see too many breakthroughs in function or reliability in anything recent. Frankly he's acting like a 5 year old, all he has to do is credit the person he kanged 95% of his rom from, and instead he's *****ing, take a hike KK.
[G1 General] mghtyred:
OK read the message, doesn't sound very impartial does it? At least it's some kind of statement though, and an invite for Klick to defend himself.

The only problem I have with all this right now is if the mod you're quoting is to be presiding over this issue, I think they have already made their decision! It's obvious in the venom of their post that they believe Klick to be guilty.

Now if this mod is to play prosecutor that's fine. However, if this particular mod is charged with making a final decision, I must cry foul. If XDA insists on going through this process, I hope they will choose an impartial party to rule over this case.
[G1 General] geokuttan:
i am not accusing king of anything...but according to what Mikey1022 said...i believe king should be given a chance to explain...

i agree with you...just like the themers do with other roms [Fully themed roms]
[G1 General] Macrophage001:
How about we just get Kingklick online and ask him to explain himself? like in the post above the one above this one. Hopefully that will fix these issues. Twitter him to come online if you want. Lets get this resolved as fast as possible..

Hope I don't sound like a wannabe MOD or anything.. Im just really curious lol :D
[G1 General] mikechappars:
Hmmm....

Doesn't the real credit for all the work on these ROMs belong to Google and AOSP? This is like a big repo of code that hackers mod a bit to get working on other devices. I used both of the ROMs in question and the speaker wasn't working in the other guys, nor bluetooth... I think that these kinds of dramas are BS, reminds me of the whole alldroid thing. I just want to use my phone, I am excited about the Froyo features and I am glad that these guys hack the code to make it work on my old phone (since T-mobile doesn't care about me :( ) But really, almost all of the work is done by the faceless coders that make the actual code base. All you haters, I think that you are set off by this guys flair - he has a monster truck picture and throws a lot of attitude -- like Cotton Hill "You just don't understand him, Peg. See, he's a flamboyant character, like a peacock. That's why men love him. But women don't like his style because you all are like the pea-hen. More subdued and drab."
[G1 General] geokuttan:
according to what i know...there are only certain things that are open-source..Gapps are not open-source...so you cannot really mess with them...just like that...when i get a quote or fact for my essay..i just need to quote it...but that doesnt mean that i can have 95% quotes..:D...please give king a chance...he have done a lot to this community and he will be give chances...and forgiveness if found guilty...
[G1 General] billquinn1:
The Apache Licence says you can use it but you have to say what you changed (paraphrasing the hell out of it). That is just not really done much. Everyone knows it is Google and HTCs work. Just ask CM. King actually is not violating that part of the licence because you don't have to say what you changed if you don't change anything. Open source licences are loose for a reason. XDA rules will need to be the deciding factor here. We need to protect unsuspecting people from being deceived into donating to the wrong Dev. Period.

King will explain when he is ready and I hope he will make changes to his posts to smooth things out. We should not exclude anyone but we need to watch out for new members who have not followed this from the start.
[G1 General] mghtyred:
Sure! Come on in Klick and face the angry mob! Oh, don't mind the pike we've got set up over there... we'll only use that after we tar and feather you... then we'll tie you to it and run you out of town!

Please.

Unless XDA is willing to set up some sort of discernible hearing process, with an impartial judge, I would tell Klick to keep his mouth shut. Right now he's being accused, and most seem to assume he is guilty. There is no due process, and from what I've seen thus far, very little chance of Klick getting a fair hearing.

I hope XDA will take the steps necessary to get to the bottom of all this fairly, equitably, and honestly.
[G1 General] Macrophage001:
I'd have to agree with you but disagree as well. Part of being in a community is being able to listen to someone's position on a subject before judgement. Almost like "Don't judge a book by its cover", even though, in this case, we are in a couple pages, we don't know the full story. XDA, whether they have already come to a decision or not, should at least give the guy a chance to explain himself.
[G1 General] garok89:
i think what everybody is forgetting is that this is not a democracy, this is the internet....

XDA is an independent body, and how they choose to deal with people who are apparently misleading their users is entirely up to them

i, for one, have compiled the froyo source numerous times over the last few days and tested the MD5 matching thing earlier...yes, some of the files from my compiled AOSP builds matched Jubeh and Kingklick, but unlike Kingklick, more than just the ten or so files (GApps and build.prop) had different MD5SUMs

edit: before anyone jumps in, all but one was 100% stock
[G1 General] mssmison:
As per the previous quoted thread; At least two 'roms' posted by kingklick were in violation of rule 12 of the forum rules, they have been confirmed to include work from other people who were not credited. Which in accordance with Rule 12 resulted in them being locked. Also as per the previously quoted thread King is invited to explain these actions publicly. There has not been further action taken against king as the moderators involved are awaiting his explanation before making a final decision.
[G1 General] MotoMudder77:
Just close this thread. its pointless. Find someone to talk to king unbiasedly, thats probaly the hard part, via PM, making it public at this time is just gonna be a battle between everyone. After it gets sorted out, one way or another, let King expalin publicly, if he wishes.
[G1 General] mghtyred:
This makes a lot of sense.
[G1 General] BigMikeyVegas:
Just taking a stab at this...

I am not a dev. I am not taking sides. I appreciate the work that everyone in here does and view all works as a community effort.

That being said, I believe a big crux of the reason his posts were locked were not just because of the 'appearance' of copying and not crediting, but the fact that he had a link looking for donations for his work.

The people he 'may or may not have taken work from' do not have donation links (from what I read).

If he is stealing work, and passing it off as his own, then the fact that he is asking for and possibly receiving money is a big deal.

I do not know enough about programming/modding to say one way or the other. The mods have locked his posts and appear to be willing to listen. There was no straight out ban. I hope he posts a response and provides whatever backup he needs to show that he did the work. If he cannot... then let the mods do as they feel is proper.

That is my $.02.
[G1 General] geokuttan:
----agree----
[G1 General] Macrophage001:
lol get it?

im sorry I had to.
[G1 General] deuse:
I agree. And I feel sorry for the people on here and else where that have gave him money for the roms that he will never finish

I say ask him to finish the roms he has going now before posting any donation links.
[G1 General] rsfaze:
While one should be innocent until proven guilty I think the guy has had plenty of time to respond to this thread by now.
[G1 General] garok89:
(he is at work according to his twitter)
[G1 General] ctso:
Sorry to burst the kingklick bubble (and I'm sure this has already been mentioned). But, king's argument regarding md5sum's is false, if he actually built AOSP his md5sums would be DIFFERENT, just because its built from the same source doesnt mean the resulting binary will be identical (due to many many reasons).

Don't believe me? Here is a little backup from koush, quoted via IRC:

17:54 @ChrisSoyars > he is still under the belief that an md5sum will match because he compiled from AOSP and other people did as well

17:54 koush > LOL
[G1 General] grandomegabosses:
You won't name names? But you will?......?
[G1 General] JAguirre1231:
I forgot how much I loved you.
[G1 General] grandomegabosses:
I'm like Batman. I only show up when needed.
[G1 General] rsfaze:
yet he was on XDA at 1:47pm today.. even at work one can check the forums :)
[G1 General] jacsonmoore3:
In The DRAMA (cont.)...hell let's take it to the street...King vs XDA....if you win....in the end,ur threads will still be close.
[G1 General] R1lover:
I find it pretty funny his excuse was he compiled it from the same source so the md5's match.... lol then another guy in this thread says he also complied froyo recently and some of his match as well....

lmao

I think those of you who believe this need to do some research on how an md5 is generated and how it works.

Please learn what you are talking about people before you just show the rest how much you really don't have a clue.

I further can't believe that someone that doesn't even know how an md5 works is calling themselves a developer and taking donations.

WOW...

Good job on XDA for killing this issue.

For those of you calling foul on XDA..... the proof is in the md5's.... if you don't understand it, then do some reading up on it. Don't call foul because you don't understand it.
[G1 General] jacsonmoore3:
King I think you need a LAWYER.....XDA DON'T PLAY.....have you heard of Copyright Law...they say you GUILTY
[G1 General] garok89:
honestly, some of the md5s matched...my guess would be that those that matched were precompiled or something...i was surprised when i saw that some matched

i know that king is a total con and i was not trying to defend him - he is indefensible

my point was that, I compiled from the same source and only a handful out of the 1000s of files matched md5sums
[G1 General] Macrophage001:
Where do you people FIND THE TIME to look for all those md5's?!?!
[G1 General] goldenarmZ:
It's trivial to script something to batch compare md5s.. Firerat did just that on King's Froyo2G1 vs Jubeh's AOSP, and the only things that didn't match were the google apps and build.prop... so King quite literally just wrote his name on it. I rofl'd.
[G1 General] Firerat:
only takes the time it takes to d/l and unzip + a bit

its interesting to see what has changed between 'releases'

( and quite useful when an update fixes one thing but breaks another )

just unzip into separate folders, cd into one and run the script

for i in `find $@ -type f`;do
for rom in `find .. -maxdepth 1 -type d |grep ../`;do
md5sum ${rom}/$i
done
#adb shell md5sum /$i
done

^ uncomment the adb shell and compare with what's on your phone, but it does take a bit longer