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[HD2 General] conantroutman:
I dont think you can really form a proper opinion solely based on reviews and other peoples opinions, if you get the HD2 there will be things that your like a lot and things that you dont..... as with anything........ you could always sell it and go back to your iphone.... and wait for the iphone4.......

I think the biggest annoyance you'd have coming from a iphone would be the battery life.... at least you can buy another one and swap over though....:p
[HD2 General] meet_death:
Well that is always an option, but you see in India, iPhone is THE gadget to own, the big daddy of all phones. It has a stupendous resale value, almost 90% of the buying value, and other phones don't enjoy this pedigree. And all phones here are unlocked, so there's no question of returning them to the carrier.

So, a HD2 is cheaper, and won't get as much cash back on resale, as an iPhone.

I am confused. :confused:
[HD2 General] conantroutman:
Ahhh.... I did not realise that......
[HD2 General] Kalavere:
Just go for the iPhone 4 when it's out. :)
[HD2 General] barronedson:
seriously go for the iphone 4, i saved up for a while to get an hd2, and while its more customizable then the iphone i had before, i have to admit i miss my iphone, the only thing holding me back from getting another iphone is selling my hd2, well that my 2 cents, take it or leave it haha
[HD2 General] Ouzo:
Dude, I've never owned an iPhone, just iPods and several HTC phones. HTC has had one bug for YEARS that absolutely drives me nuts, but nobody else seems to mind it...... If you're iTunes Library imports your tunes in AAC (m4a) format, HTC's Audiomanager will NOT be able to put the songs of an album into track order. Every time the audio manager scans your SD card it will put the songs in a different order, thus, if you want to listen to songs on an album in the order that the artist inteneded, you will have to create a playlist. So annoying. Also, no smart playlists in the audio manager, no updated playcounts in iTunes and large collections of music can take a while to scroll through.

Having said all that, I love my HD2 and the community here have done so much to make it (and other HTC devices) chuffing fab ; )

I think you need to weigh up how important the iTunes/iPhone music player experience is to you and just how much tinkering you want to do to make your device unique.

And besides, if you get an HD2 you can also use it to wake board on and fend off knife wielding muggers.... Don't ever drop it on a bare toe, side on. No really, don't, it's embarrassingly painful. You will cry.
[HD2 General] BumAround:
So, bored people are easy target for gadget marketing propaganda. :D

Music playback, quality, battery life and interface fluidity are all the high words used by so-called reviewers that are really hard to quantify and measure. You just have to be realistic and reasonable.

This person is

very

wise. His statement is true with smartphones, true with things that money can buy, and especially true with life itself. :)

Has there been any

death

reported in India just because one doesn't own an iPhone? So, it's all about mind control. :rolleyes:
[HD2 General] sherlockpwnz:
dont listen to the wanna be gadget pros here saying "stick with your iphone" or something. look at reviews balance facts its gonna be your phone not anyone elses
[HD2 General] hagba:
I had an Iphone which I used it for 3 years ,gave it to my wife and switched over to HD2 some 10 weeks ago.

The reason:In my advanced age,(cant tell you exactly how old) but can give you a hint,over 70!!.I was seriously worried of getting Alzheimers, so needed something customizable to occupy my time with,besides chess,so got the HD2.

so here is my oppinion if any value:

1-Music:after installing both the SRSWOWHD and the football_Audiobooster Equalizer Fix I can tell is as good as if not better than iphone,

2-watching video is a joy,after installing the Chainfire drivers and LeoCpuSpeed no video converting hassle any more with TCPMP.

3-screen size .no going back to 3.5 after using the 4.3.

4-very good camera.

5-I dont remember what was your other question but WIFI is great as it is the Opera 9.7.

IE is like shi## since the only reason to use it is for the purpose of Adobe Flash which in its turn doesnt work well due to Adobe not figuring out how to use its Flash on Touchscreens instead of a mouse cursor, and also for very heavy memory requierments.

All in all I like HD2 more than Iphone but I advice you to wait for the iphone 4 as recomended by some posters here,as you said ,because of its resale value,I was also going to add because of its simplicity too, but since the current Chess world champion is Anand from India will ommit that.
[Touch HD General] will-w:
Hi all,

I have a fault with my phone that means I need to send it off to my insurance company for repair.

Now I don't want to give them any way to wriggle out of this so want to restore my phone to the factory (Orange UK) ROM..

Phone is currently running the blackstone henge rom (or whatever it's called) and has been network unlocked..

Anyone have any idea's how to?

Cheers

Will
[Touch HD General] A|ex:
hard reset info for the current rom. if you want the orange stock rom on check out the rom dev section for orange roms
[Touch HD Accessories] Zepiii:
Hi all,

I've bought a week ago this bluetooth mini keyboard :

http://www.chinavasion.com/product_info.php/pName/mini-bluetooth-keyboard-for-smartphones/

I've opened it, and it was looking to a be a great product. Pairing was okay, and stuff like that too. I tried to recharge it, and there was a contact problem. Here is a video explaining it : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WONbgT1lP2U

I DIRECTLY go to the online center of the shop. During the direct online conversation, he asked me to plug it to an other computer, so I went to my mum's one. While plugging it, the USB receptor broke and came inside the keyboard itself. It just broked!

There were already a BAD contact, and it simply broked. It is maybe a default product problem or simply a bad quality for their products, but it is NOT my fault. It's a new product, I've got a HTC HD2, so I know how to plug a microUSB cable !!

Anyway, they did not wanted to reimburse me !! They said I had to pay EVERYTHING to get it repaired (+ sending it, it would cost me more than buying a NEW one !).

In more, they asked me to wait and said they were going to answer me by email. They simply did NOT wrote me a mail the day after ! And now, 4 days later, I still have no answer, that's why I decided to write this topic !

So please, everyone retweet, publish it everywhere, and make know

Chinavision

as a really bad compagny for their QUALITY and SUPPORT!!!!!

Thank you !

I just lost 30 €, thank you www.chinavision.com and imagine if I had buy a product that cost 100 € or more??

CONCLUSION : AVOID www.chinavision.com !!!

Zepiii.

If interested, here is the both conversation with the online support :

Here is the first conversation I had with the online support :

Here is a second one, I tried to contact a person working in the management of the website

PS : I published it in several Accessories topic, because people learn it !
[Touch HD Accessories] tids2k:
dude, there was no need to post this over here, please limit the discussion to hd2 .. thanks.
[Touch HD Accessories] accountabc:
it is quite possible that people who have an HD will also buy a bluetooth keyboard, so there is a bit of a point :P
[Touch HD Accessories] Red14:
They ask 30 euro's for a mini camera version1 while the new version3 on ebay

costs 7 dollar including shipping lol!

notta gonna see mee there! thanks for the warning!
[Touch HD Accessories] Kirthiga Groups:
True

Well I bought a PMP player from Chinavision, but it didn't work after a week. So worried, I ordered again from Chinabuye, online store from china. I dont have complaints regarding the quality and reliablity of PMP player. So far working great! And i got from them at best rate with no MOQ limit with free ship cost. Am happy finally i got my PMP media player rocking !

Thanks for the thread, it will be useful to others.
[Touch HD Accessories] ysabella:
I purchased at Chinavasion before and the product I received was damaged, and it was so frustrating. So I tried Chinabuye, because they offer free shipping and a 1 year warranty. I was so satisfied with the product, i received it in good condition and in good packaging.
[Touch HD Accessories] -sanguine-:
OP, I have the same keyboard as you and it's OK. Probably you had a bad luck.

UPDATE: I got another bluetooth keyboard a few hours ago and it also works as it should.
[Touch HD Accessories] hspatel1312:
test that !

i have not yet experienced chinavasion! but if you are facing this type of problem than you should try chinabuye site! that is online store from china! i am using that for long time! try that !
[Touch HD Accessories] FoRMat MaSTer:
Thank you for letting us know.
[Touch HD Accessories] PromotekCompany:
Thank you for your sharing.

I am also in Shenzhen, China. This company is not famous in China, but very famous overseas. They actually just a networking company and then sell products online.

Next time, you find a professional supplier not a networking company.
[Touch HD Accessories] mfsr98:
suntekstore didn't disapoint me, if you guys want to know.
[Touch HD Accessories] disaster2009:
Hi, i have buy from

www.buyincoins.com

www.dealextreme.com

and dont have any problems ! Paypal ...

Im waiting for mail with this for my blackstone :

http://www.tinydeal.com/3-x-backup-touch-screen-stylus-pen-for-htc-touch-hd-p-6180.html

http://www.tinydeal.com/smoke-protective-soft-back-case-for-htc-hd-t8288-p-3261.html
[Touch HD Accessories] mfsr98:
I have that case bro! I bought it on suntekstore ;)
[Touch HD Accessories] disaster2009:
I have 2 case black from ebay ! i will buy from your site a white, is low cost men :good:

my 2 from ebay is full protect in front camera and sound front others are not ....
[Touch HD Accessories] mfsr98:
really? mine is full customized for the phone (there's a hole for thefront camera) and only 1.69€! go to suntekstore.com!

p.s.- there's even a hole for the blow mic!
[Touch HD Accessories] disaster2009:
For ppl that want buy some thinks to blackstone:

5X LCD Screen Protector Guard Film for HTC Touch HD T8282

1€

http://www.buyincoins.com/details/5...-film-for-htc-touch-hd-t8282-product-961.html

Replacement 3.7V 2600mAh Battery Pack + Back Cover Case for HTC Touch HD - Black

11.21€

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/replac...er-case-for-htc-touch-hd-black-134396?item=26

HTC HD Replacement Touch Screen/Digitizer Module

9,62€

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/htc-hd-replacement-touch-screen-digitizer-module-32143?item=54
[Touch HD Accessories] flydr2:
Items never received. No refund

Invoice number: 2871052

I ordered a phone and some other things. (160$) Products never arrived.

I opened a ticket and after months of back and forth. I was told there's nothing we can do.

here is one of the replies:

---------------------------

Dear Marc,

"Our local post office had finished the investigation and the resuld is delivered. However, if you have not got it, their suggestion is as below:

1. This is a kind of post service and they can't provice the delivery signature.

2. Use this one 61299991206455380299 to contact FedEx to see which post office they delivered to?

3. Use this one 9261299991206455380299 to your local nearest USPS to see where they delivered the parce.

Thank you for your assistance."

----------------------------------

Fedex shows delivered to post office... Post office shows waiting for package.

So I lost 160usd.

Never buy from them!
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Accessories] Zepiii:
Hi all !

I've bought a week ago this bluetooth mini keyboard :

http://www.chinavasion.com/product_info.php/pName/mini-bluetooth-keyboard-for-smartphones/

I've opened it, and it was looking to a be a great product. Pairing was okay, and stuff like that too. I tried to recharge it, and there was a contact problem. Here is a video explaining it : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WONbgT1lP2U

I DIRECTLY go to the online center of the shop. During the direct online conversation, he asked me to plug it to an other computer, so I went to my mum's one. While plugging it, the USB receptor broke and came inside the keyboard itself. It just broked!

There were already a BAD contact, and it simply broked. It is maybe a default product problem or simply a bad quality for their products, but it is NOT my fault. It's a new product, I've got a HTC HD2, so I know how to plug a microUSB cable !!

Anyway, they did not wanted to reimburse me !! They said I had to pay EVERYTHING to get it repaired (+ sending it, it would cost me more than buying a NEW one !).

In more, they asked me to wait and said they were going to answer me by email. They simply did NOT wrote me a mail the day after ! And now, 4 days later, I still have no answer, that's why I decided to write this topic !

So please, everyone retweet, publish it everywhere, and make know

Chinavision

as a really bad compagny for their QUALITY and SUPPORT!!!!!

Thank you !

I just lost 30 €, thank you www.chinavision.com and imagine if I had buy a product that cost 100 € or more??

CONCLUSION : AVOID www.chinavision.com !!!

Zepiii.

If interested, here is the both conversation with the online support :

Here is the first conversation I had with the online support :

Here is a second one, I tried to contact a person working in the management of the website

PS : I published it in several Accessories topic, because people learn it !
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Accessories] xhozt:
Wrong forum i think BUT .

have your creditcard company reverse the charge if you can . most can .
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Accessories] munkybeatz:
Sorry you ended up with one of these Chinese made products in what I would consider POOR quality condition. Kinda sucks their "25 member Quality Control Team" would allow a default product through ;).

I don't mean this in a mean way at all, honestly. But, what did you really expect from a direct Chinese electronics knock-off company? I mean, their products, although pretty much coming from the same country the higher end items come from, they do use much cheaper parts. I'm not knocking you, just making a statement.

As with ANY chinese company that sells "nice" electronics, and/or knock-off electronics, you should ALWAYS read their quote un quote Return/Warranty policies. This particular store you bought from, everything pretty much reads that they want you to find someone else to pay for a default/bad item to be either repaired or replaced by that other company. Whether it be the shipper/manufacturer/ETC. They show "12month warranty" and vaguely nice other stuff in main areas of this site. But ifyou click on the FAQ's regarding return/replacement/refund situations. You'll find a different story.

Pretty much, yes this is very poor support/warranty/exchange/repair service for Americans/Europeans. BUT, for a Chinese company that specifically focuses on WholeSale, individual purchases are rarely taken serious in the manner you, or any american, would wish for. You will find it very very hard to find a Chinese WholeSale direct store that does not operate in this manner.

You will pretty much have to just chalk this up to a Learning Experience in regards to buying from these Chinese direct stores. And, know that you take a huge risk in buying from them.

This company DOES however do something I've not seen at many of these chinese stores, they will provide you with a RMA number [Return Merchandise Authorizaiton] for the original manufacturer. This is a good glimpse of hope for you in this matter. Go ahead and read up on the link below in regard to the RMA number. Then request it in the "proper" manner the faq outlines. If you get an RMA number, then you just get that number and write it on the box you're shipping to the manufacturer. I would write a letter as well, explaining the issues with it, and the RMA number on the letter as well. They will then ship you a new/refurbished item in working condition to replace it. If I was in your place, this is the better option I would take. I work with medical equipment, and a RMA number is held in higher regard than any other return, and you usually recieve a new functioning replacement. The reason is, that the RMA number this store will give you is for their WholeSale account, and manufacturers place any wholesaler's items above individuals.

ChinaVisioins Return Policy FAQ:

http://support.chinavasion.com/index.php_m=knowledgebase&_a=viewarticle&kbarticleid=220

Edit------------------------------------------

Also, when you go through the proper request for the RMA number, I would make sure you submit the logs you have posted in this forum, showing how it was broken when you got it, and more broken through very simple, non-normal wear and tear.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Accessories] munkybeatz:
One more thought that may interest you. I found that exact keyboard on sale from a reputable shop in the UK that is selling it for 28 pounds. Dunno, if you liked the design/etc, but just want a good working one. This shop, my friend has bought from several times,and returned/refunded several items with. Have pretty good support/return policy.

http://www.gadgetgear.co.uk/mini-bluetooth-keyboard-for-ipad-iphone-4-ps3.html?
[HD2 Accessories] Zepiii:
Hi all,

I've bought a week ago this bluetooth mini keyboard :

http://www.chinavasion.com/product_info.php/pName/mini-bluetooth-keyboard-for-smartphones/

I've opened it, and it was looking to a be a great product. Pairing was okay, and stuff like that too. I tried to recharge it, and there was a contact problem. Here is a video explaining it : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WONbgT1lP2U

I DIRECTLY go to the online center of the shop. During the direct online conversation, he asked me to plug it to an other computer, so I went to my mum's one. While plugging it, the USB receptor broke and came inside the keyboard itself. It just broked!

There were already a BAD contact, and it simply broked. It is maybe a default product problem or simply a bad quality for their products, but it is NOT my fault. It's a new product, I've got a HTC HD2, so I know how to plug a microUSB cable !!

Anyway, they did not wanted to reimburse me !! They said I had to pay EVERYTHING to get it repaired (+ sending it, it would cost me more than buying a NEW one !).

In more, they asked me to wait and said they were going to answer me by email. They simply did NOT wrote me a mail the day after ! And now, 4 days later, I still have no answer, that's why I decided to write this topic !

So please, everyone retweet, publish it everywhere, and make know

Chinavision

as a really bad compagny for their QUALITY and SUPPORT!!!!!

Thank you !

I just lost 30 €, thank you www.chinavision.com and imagine if I had buy a product that cost 100 € or more??

CONCLUSION : AVOID www.chinavision.com !!!

Zepiii.

If interested, here is the both conversation with the online support :

Here is the first conversation I had with the online support :

Here is a second one, I tried to contact a person working in the management of the website

PS : I published it in several Accessories topic, because people learn it !
[HD2 Accessories] RSchris:
Kill'em all !
[HD2 Accessories] After_Forever:
Just at the time I was ready to purchase this product I read your post.

Thank you for your lengthily and very insightful post.

I will look elsewhere for a similar product.
[HD2 Accessories] Zepiii:
Good :)

Have a look at this : http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=17177&utm...tm_campaign=Feed:+WmPowerUser+(WM+Power+User)
[HD2 Accessories] jangajdosik:
Made in China

Made in China...
[HD2 Accessories] tids2k:
wow ! really sorry for your keyboard zepphi. i am deleting all links for chinavasion from my thread. anything else keep me informed.
[HD2 Accessories] Palmchen:
ups - I had bought also 2 weeks ago this BT Keyboard from Chinavavion.

Arrived yesterday. I'm wondering, why the plastc-bags are open. Anyway.

But after checking and charging the keyboard all is working fine without the device driver! I don't know how long. I hope a long time....

The Keyboard is very nice, working fine and it's also attached for charging with the micro-USB cable, like HD2. really nice feature.

It's not really good, that you have so much trouble with this keyboard.

You could try it once more with dealextreme.com, if you want - they have this keyboard also.

Finaly I'm lucky that I've heard and read about this from xda-developers, thanks to tids2k. once more a very interesting forum.
[HD2 Accessories] tomj777:
Sorry to read this, Zephii

I guess it's a bit like ebay purchases... you pay the low price to get what's probably a good product but when things go wrong it's really the luck of the draw...

Good to know to avoid, though - cheers...

Except... I took a quick peak at the company webstore and found myself wanting to like them, if only for the product description of their Iron Samurai wrist watch

To quote the site,

All rather silly and perhaps it offers some recompense by way of humour (esp. if the translator snuck the flowery description in without the store owners awareness).

;)
[HD2 Accessories] spyrale:
thanks for letting us know. chinavasion is on my blacklist now. anyway...have they sent the email then?
[HD2 Accessories] Hoodeddeathman:
I got mine from the same place but it's absolutely fine.
[HD2 Accessories] Zepiii:
Nope. Again a bad point for them !!

Of course then don't sell **** only :) But it could have been mine working perfect and yours broking after 30 minutes after unpacked, you would have react as me :)

On any other great website, proporta, mobilefun, I would have get reimbursed for sure ;)

Chinavision are stolers on this case, so let's get them a bad reputation, as I promised them I was going to ! :)
[HD2 Accessories] NeoGreendawg:
Bad luck on that... Don't get me wrong, but that's usually what you get when ordering from China. I learnt that the hard way just like you now have but you can't really blame them for wanting you to pay for the return shipping (that's standard policy and was probably in the sales conditions you accepted when you ordered it).
[HD2 Accessories] musickhandz:
Thanks

Thank you very much for posting! Saved me a headache as I was thinking of being a customer.

Daniel
[HD2 Accessories] josemedina1983:
I think the mistake was to bargain with them. My best call is to call your bank and cancel the transaction.
[HD2 Accessories] DaemonAshra:
its never a good idea to flaunt your positions or threaten a company. thats an easy way to have a legal team sent to your doorstep. as jose said, get in touch with your bank and explain the situation to them. thats the best and smartest way to handle it.
[HD2 Accessories] watcher64:
I have bought tons of stuff from chinavision, yes I get a few duds , but they mainly wholesale to people wanting to sell lots of stuff and that buy in bulk.

So when you buy in bulk say 100 items at a time 1 Item is bad it is not even worth the trouble to send it back, usually do not worry about it till it is over 10% as that is usually well absorbed in the first 2 or 3 items sold ...

So that being said, they tend to be harsh to the one and two item buyer, this is not the first horror story I have heard ....

But they sell so much stuff all over the world, everybody on this forum could start posting bad stuff about them , and I doubt they would even notice ...

My suggestion is to chalk it up to a bad experience , write if off, and don't stress about it, people get burned everyday by sellers and buyers on Ebay, and Ebay is still in business ...