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[G1 Android Development] XxKOLOHExX:
1.) Yes I know that, I have been learning for a long time on what to do... Now I am learning Kernel base stuff (which is kicking my ass) but I am, I can compile now i need to edit... But I am trying to say give people some room to grow, riding there a$$ about slapping a rom together doesn't help them learn, help them, tell them what is wrong so they can try and figure out things and ways to fix it..

2.) Yes I believe someone should get donations for there hardwork, But I also believe that you shouldn't advertise a donation link like your trying to end world hunger. On each of his threads in big bold letters it says something like "DONATE TO ME I NEED A NEW PHONE." ... Which I don't care for because it is unclassy, a donation link put into your signature or something is sufficient.

Wasn't your first ROM a copy and paste from Drizzy? I respect for what it's become, I find it odd that ROMs are posted and then you post yours... but I respect you.

And do you modify? How have you contributed to the community? I copy & paste. If your saying copy, paste, upload and take credit, thats what were trying to get rid of, otherwise I see nothing rong with copy paste.

Your just a suck-ish developer wanna be. Ily <3.[/QUOTE]

HAHAHA I could never get mad at you haha :P

Yes I know, But I am defensive on the position of new growing devs. They deserve some slack because they are learning...
[G1 Android Development] r0man:
The devs don't seem to be in it for the money? By devs I mean people that actually develop stuff (Cyan).
[G1 Android Development] xjjjay:
I'm also ticked off by those who release redundant roms. King is a legitimate developer, though not one that I particularly like for his habit of dropping support on roms a tad too early. Admittedly though this does pave the way for others to pick up where he left off.

Cyanogen, Haykuro, Firerat, JesusFreke, and a few more... I have nothing but respect for these folks, they can make the most obnoxious donation links they please and it will be justified. THESE people should get the donations that a number of 16 year old developers are begging for. Also, they don't infuriatingly name their contributions in every post.

I'm not a developer, and (perhaps more importantly) I don't pretend to be one. I don't need to be a dev to say what I said here. I'm just a member of the community giving my opinion of the status quo.

More on topic: This "community rom" is a load of bollocks. Cyanogenmod itself is a "community rom" in the sense that many, many people have contributed to make it what it is.
[G1 Android Development] :
So whats King? What Zach? Whats Xillius? Wait what the hell? @XxKOLOHExX, whos side are we on?
[G1 Android Development] r0man:
1.) True but just letting them copy paste a ROM, theme it, add an app, and then say they made it isn't helping them or the community.

2.) I always thought his giant HELP ME GET A NEW PHONE was humorous, but I don't have a problem with it. If a priest is giving a homeless person food everyday and asks you for $1 are you going to epic rage at him and say that he doesn't deserve it because donations should come to them, not be asked for?

3.) I digg it.
[G1 Android Development] XxKOLOHExX:
Here are a couple words for you, "DON'T FLASH THEM!!!!!!!!!!!," Hook, Line, and Sinker!

I am on my side :P

I am on the side of growing developers who need support to tell off these son of a biscut eating bulldogs to LAY THE HELL OFF!!!
[G1 Android Development] :
If somebody has the tools necessary to help others without looking bad, then they shouldn't ask for help.
[G1 Android Development] r0man:
Eclipse+Everything mentioned in the Android compilation guide+Android Kitchen (automated zipalign, task killer tweak, general time saver :D) are what a new dev needs.

Oh, and Linux.
[G1 Android Development] XxKOLOHExX:
1.) Yes Copy/Paste Roms are not helping the community... But to each it's own, if someone likes the rom so be it, if you don't wipe and flash something else, last thing a growing developer needs, wether it be Copy/Paste or not, is a reason to stop learning...

2.) I don't think comparing a Homeless to a Greedy Phone wanter is the same thing. The Homeless may have been laid off or something, I don't give any homeless any money (that's for sure) but if they are hungry I will stop or take them to McDonald's or Jack in the Crack and get them something to eat.

3.) Thanks :P
[G1 Android Development] XxKOLOHExX:
I find it funny, someone with 19 posts has the audacity to state an opinion where yours is clearly not needed... I have mad my fair share roms, Based on Cyanogens and my own breed of SuperEclair, try searching it...
[G1 Android Development] r0man:
Nope, but I am now ;).
[G1 Android Development] :
Okay. So were all cool now? Because I have something to say and I want to say it here first.
[G1 Android Development] XxKOLOHExX:
HAHA, looks like I pushed a button... Hmm, what I really mean is, If your going to diss someone, me or anyone else about a rom, make your own first...

and Shove it...
[G1 Android Development] kingklick:
I have admitted that was a flaw of mine in the past.

I am doing my best to continue development of each piece of work I release

that is why I have only updated my legend rom and released 1 new ROM.

:)
[G1 Android Development] XxKOLOHExX:
Either way, let me see you make one... If you think it is that easy, Lets have a friendly contest... Whoever can make the stablest nicest and overall fast and stable rom wins. Whoever loses Shuts the hell up...
[G1 Android Development] r0man:
:')

As long as you help to keep the G1/MT3G scene alive while I still have a MT3G you remain awesome (remember to dev for the Slide once I get it ;) haha).
[G1 Android Development] XxKOLOHExX:
Sounds to me like someone got in over there head... And people don't have favoritism when it comes to roms... It's either there good or bad... Bet you don't even know how to sign a rom
[G1 Android Development] toeshot:
Second that. I can get a HD2 from walmart for $48.88 it is a sale They have right now :o) picking up tomorrow, maybe
[G1 Android Development] nicknowsky:
just make a SENSE UI ROMS that works, 100% no issue, and NO LAG, phone calls come in and all that good stuff. Thats it, all your hard work is always appreciated
[G1 Android Development] nicknowsky:
know why a community ROM might be good, cause look at those homo iPhone devs, they are able to run Android on their iPhones like its nothing, i mean come on they already have Froyo on their iPhone 3G, we gotta do better that that. I mean its sad when Android is running on oniPhone better than on a "Android" device,

Put'cha heads together and bang out some crazy ROM that works wonders..... LOL I dunno that sounded a little gay, but you get what I mean
[G1 Android Development] toeshot:
That does have a little something to do with hardware :)
[G1 Android Development] wcdisciple:
Ultimate ROM? Count me in.

That is, until I get the IPhone 4 next week. :eek: :) :D :cool:
[G1 Android Development] magpie2000k:
Im happy to test anything or help as I can.

I do echo the issues mentioned in this thread.

We all preach to people to read threads rather than ask pointless questions ansewered many times before. However all the tit for tat does put many off reading because it is of no interest to them.

Please if we stay on thread we all have pm and if you wanna jibe at someone do it that way. Many more people would then read and learn

Me included.

Thanks
[G1 Android Development] enatefox:
Git or SVN? Where's the files going, how do we get access/permission? What kind of web hosting do we have? Need details or this idea dies
[G1 Android Development] ggolemg:
So I take it this is going to be eclair based. To start, I'm guessing, we can copy cyanogens repo and make it a public share. Does anyone have some goals in mind? Maybe break out this discussion into a seperate site where the repo is stored. Assign tasks based on the goals/people. Who is going to be in chage of getting the ball rolling, the op?

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[G1 Android Development] protomanez:
Sigh* as usual, don't feed the trolls etc etc. Just get a mod to strip his damn posting abilities away.

BTW how many people do you have on the project?
[G1 Android Development] xillius200:
atm just over 13 lol yeah it's going to be on git ^^ or svn depends on what you as teh community decide still making a poll lol upto the community once again on what it is based on lol
[G1 Android Development] enatefox:
if we get some decent hosting (GWT?) we can do batch pull + compiles from AOSP for donut/eclair/1.1 if you want.. and keep that server-side. I can write up a web app (I'd prefer PHP) as an online kitchen-- add what you want. We can have branches authorized devs can push to and people can then cherry pick. Going w/community idea we can have a leaderboard w/live stats on popular features and the devs that make them. I was thinking of something like this already and have started an Android app that will let you not only get updates from the web service but possibly let you become Xzibit "yo dawg hurd u liek roms so we put an app in ur romz u can dev a rom in so u can make a rom for ur phone in ur rom." If the thread gets too "ur idea are suck" just hit me up on twitter
[G1 Android Development] protomanez:
Just a suggestion, I've worked with a community before(not making a rom of course) and it turned out to be a mess. I would suggest not having EVERYTHING decided to the community, sure it's nice to have a lot of ideas and opinions shared between but after awhile it can get almost a little bit TOO chaotic and messed up. If many people like one idea then you should go with that one, that is why I mentioned to take a poll to figure out the base OS of your rom(sense,1.6,2.1,etc.)
[G1 Android Development] xillius200:
lmfao xzibit think he already took the name ^^ I think what you said is a great idea ^^
[G1 Android Development] xillius200:
yeah I said im in turn of making one ^^ millions of options lol
[G1 Android Development] xillius200:
lol you say that but we still had fun with ZX team while we were here ^^
[G1 Android Development] Fallen Spartan:
Can we stay on topic please. I've already banned one user in this thread for trolling, flaming & useless posts. Any more and you'll be the next to get a weeks vacation
[G1 Android Development] kiden:
Idea

So on the idea of making a true community rom:

Since everyone has such different preferences, the rom would be a failure as a one for all kind of thing. BUT if something was done to have different options, it could work.

So, if it was made as a base rom + flashable ramhack option + flashable overclock + other flashable expansion packs that the community makes for this rom, it would mean that when someone downloads it they can have what they want.

So... It could be made so everyone gets options like:

Community Base Rom + OC + Sense Theme

Community Base Rom + Ram Hack

Community Base Rom + BFS Kernel + OC + Theme

And of course Swap and/or AP2SD would be optional on top of that.

Thats just my two cents. Oh and 2.1 > 1.6 :D
[G1 Android Development] xillius200:
Yeah i've too thought that by the push of a button you choose what you want but is it possible is the question? 0o
[G1 Android Development] enatefox:
that's what I'm saying. can you get git/svn set up + web hosting (like GWT)? I can write the online kitchen. You'd check off what you want and it will build it for you. Also, working on an app you do that all right from your phone.
[G1 Android Development] wcdisciple:
Originally Posted by enatefox

If the thread gets too "ur idea are suck" just hit me up on twitter

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA :D :D :D :D :D

Now on to business...

It's been said before that you can't mix elements of different "OS updates", such as 1.5, 1.6, 2.0, etc.

If that can be worked out it'd be cool. Meaning, there have been some elements in ROM's that were 1.5 that aren't compatible with more up to date ROM's ie 2.2 So, if a person likes a 1.5 ROM but wants some features that a 2.2 has, but can't have it because of the whole "code embedded" nonsense, then the Ultimate ROM could be the one to solve that problem.

I'm moving on from android, so it doesn't matter one way or the other to me. I just know a few people that would be interested in that type of development.

And check out my new phone.....(it's in my sig) :D
[G1 Android Development] enatefox:
the only thing you need to worry about between versions are binaries and libraries (also binaries..). the actual layout changes and file differences are handled by Google's git servers already.
[G1 Android Development] xillius200:
Right the reason why I put july 4th was cause stuff is actually getting done ready to start etc, and enatefox has just made this thing dramatically easier and better for everyone ^^ wait till it's ready to go this rom that everyone will make together will be cool ^^
[G1 Android Development] kiden:
What if instead of making our own community rom, what happens if we set up a community rom kitchen to customize cyanogenmod or super E (which is cyan based anyway)

It would let the community concentrate on the customization aspect while having one of the best supported and most stable Roms out there. (Not that there aren't others, but you get what i mean)

So lets say: using cyans 5.0.8 once it comes out, then the rom kitchen lets you choose:

BFS vs CFS

Ramhack vs 3D

3D gallery vs regular

OC vs Normal

JIT vs no JIT

ADW vs Launcher vs Launcher 2 vs (ect)

White Bar vs Black Bar vs Sense Theme (ect)

A2SD vs None

Multitasking optimization scrips vs none

Expansion Pack w/ Extra apps (setcpu ect) or none

*Spare Parts would let you set up Swap and Compcache

Then it makes it for you in a flashable zip, so you flash, add gapps and your set!

I think that most people would be ok with that!
[G1 Android Development] XxKOLOHExX:
OMG I AM NOT BANNED THANK GOD!!!

okay back on topic :P

BFS andCFS kernels can be both added to a /data folder and be switched out by terminal (as by seen by many awesome devs like kingklick)
[G1 Android Development] enatefox:
don't forget your kernel module swapping player
[G1 Android Development] draven806:
Agreed. An a la carte type system would make this the ultimate rom

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[G1 Android Development] XxKOLOHExX:
couldn't we do something like .....[enter name here when i remember].. were he put options on a server and thgrough terminal he allowed the terminal to connect to the server choose an option allow it to be downloaded to phone or sdcard and be installed
[G1 Android Development] kylepotts:
I am totally in! I was thinking about diving into Rom development( I have been reading documentation like crazy) and was hoping to find a way to do it! I will help and test the best I can! Although please don't expect too much out of me because I am new to developing Roms, and not even 100% sure where to begin.
[G1 Android Development] protomanez:
There are already programs to do this.
[G1 Android Development] kiden:
Sure there are. But the whole point of making a community rom/kitchen would be to have all the tools and options available in one place and make it easy to use.

And I was just giving my idea. No one has to use it. I was just thinking along the lines of how to appease the masses of custom rom users that each want something a little different.
[G1 Android Development] kiden:
that sounds awesome, but I haven't seen it before. wouldnt security be an issue?
[G1 Android Development] XxKOLOHExX:
Nope, because it's like downloading a rom from a dedicated server like kanged from cyanogen, the terminal shoots the user to the link and downloads the file, then you can allow it to install, His name is Enomther, his rom does it
[G1 Android Development] kiden:
So then the community rom would need a server + a base rom and then a script that allows the user to download all the extra parts, and then flash?
[G1 Android Development] XxKOLOHExX:
That is if they can implement it and have a dedicated server, Alot of planning for this to come in play but it does allow some neat implementations, or they can make a blapk sorta thing and put those things in a application attached to a dedicated server to allot a more pleasing experience rather then a terminal one, alot can be done to meet these needs but IDK how to code it haha :P
[G1 Android Development] Macrophage001:
Didnt't they merge their work in with Cyanogen?
[G1 Android Development] kiden:
What is everyone'e issue? Seriously we are just throwing ideas back and forth. How do you think cyanogenmod or any rom started?

Sure there is no guarantee this will go anywhere, but what is the harm in trying? Worst case scenario a few people will learn stuff, have some fun and waste some time restoring nandroid backups. Its a hobby! Thats what happens. And best case scenario, a cool rom is born.

If you don't like it, then stop posting and leave.

Yes they did CM 5 for dream is just as much community eclair as it is cyanogen from what I could tell.
[G1 Android Development] Macrophage001:
:D Agreed

*Thumbs Up*

Ehh Girlfriends are annoying. Done with them for now. Actually going to work on something productive lol :D
[G1 Android Development] xillius200:
Thank You would love to have your help in anyway as this will be a community rom ^^ it's all coming together at the moment well coming togaether ready to actually start on the 4th and things are looking up atm ^^

PS: Anyone who likes to trample on this thread believe me when I say I will get you kicked ^^ This is not to this guy but to anybody who does it!!
[G1 Android Development] kiden:
*cheers* :D
[G1 Android Development] xillius200:
lol ^^ well it will be so easy anyone from the community can contribute hopefully thus a community rom will be made ^^ lol thanks for saying you'll partake ^^
[G1 Android Development] kiden:
Oh and Hey xillius, that link in your sig has a virus... (my antivirus blocked a web exploit)

this one ---> http://androidinyourface.webs.com/
[G1 Android Development] the1gladiator:
what i would like to see is not just a ROM, but a process. Say for instance some of the more skilled PROGRAMMERS work out an SDK for say Sense like what has been done for Sense on windows based phones (.netCF 3.5).

This is a good idea that has the potential of being put out pasture because it will be another rom with the agenda of the more skilled devs doing what they will or saying what can or can't be done for whatever reasons exist because it is being sold as another "rom". this could also be more of a structured environment for what enatefox tried to deliver on his pulse playground. Everyone has good ideas not just devs, however when all you're doing is accepting ports through 1 dev or a set of devs you pretty much get the same results because they are doing it based upon their subset of knowledge / skills / desires / likes, etc whereas if this were delivered the way it could be, this could introduce all sorts of learning / advancement that android so desparately deserves as far as the dev community goes.
[G1 Android Development] xillius200:
0o cheers ill take that off tomoz then lol sry im on linux didn't notice it :/
[G1 Android Development] kiden:
hahaha nice! I really have to start dual booting! what distro are you on? I'm a big fan of both fedora and ubuntu.
[G1 Android Development] xillius200:
Um I see what you are saying but the path of this rom has not been yet set in stone and the unpredictable could happen this rom could create something new in ways of advancements without blockades of what you can and cannot do whatever is not possible we will try and get it in anyway because as far as I see anything is possible ^^
[G1 Android Development] xillius200:
0o linux mint is good ^^ depends what you like I would say for speed and look you should go with Linux Mint LXDE ^^ LXDE keeps that same look while giving better performance also the mint theme is great ^^ as well as the distro ^^ 0o if you want near to windows program compatibility as you can get as well then I suggest ReactOS they use the same binaries as windows so more windows program work on there than any other OS ^^ I couldn't get it to work lol didn
[G1 Android Development] Blackman778g:
Lock and Load Boys!

Ready to test this whenever you give it the signal on the 4th of July!!!
[G1 Android Development] kiden:
cool. My desktop runs win 7 like a dream, so I think Im going to try linux mint on my hp mini (if it wants to boot it, its doesnt like linux sometimes)
[G1 Android Development] xillius200:
na trust me Linux Mint is the most dependable OS I have ever tried apart from Android xD
[G1 Android Development] kiden:
cool, good to hear, im pretty interested.
[G1 Android Development] vortec87:
Until you update to Mint 9, but that was to be expected. Mint 8 was amazing and i hope that Mint 9 starts working better but I do second this as Mint is the only Linux distro so far that i have gotten ADB and auto sign-ing to work on :) back on topic though why not try something where you can, with the simple press of a button, enable or disable sense UI so the base would be a Sense UI but it would allow for a Vanilla launcher for more stability
[G1 Android Development] kiden:
On newer sense builds (stock i mean) you can already enable/disable the rosie launcher. But that only gets you to the regular launcher, htc sense is much more than just the launcher. It would have to disable quite a bit.
[G1 Android Development] the1gladiator:
what we need is something like this....this Winmo weirdos do their thing even if theydo use the wrong OS, :D

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=648906
[G1 Android Development] d33dvb:
In case you missed it, we have a community rom, its called cyanogenmod, duh.
[G1 Android Development] SeEsAw12:
What do you have against people asking for money?

Jesus, he's not forcing anyone to give him money nor is he guilting anyone into it.

He's a great dev. despite some douchiness here and there.

It's just funny how you bring that up so much.
[G1 Android Development] XxKOLOHExX:
It's like an old proverb said..

"People are like dogs, You keep feeding them they will always come back for more.."

In this case people give him money, once he got enough he got the nexus he abandoned his projects for the G1/Mytouch, now that he wants a slide so he comes back to these forums asking for more donations...
[G1 Android Development] SeEsAw12:
And?

Is it hurting your pocket? Let him come back and ask for more.

Whether he abandons a project or not, he still put in tons of man hours. Once people see he's doing a crappy job, they'll stop giving him money. That's capitalism. He doesn't give us what we want, we don't give him what he wants.

If he does a ****ty job, we don't have to give him money(even though we don't have to give him money regardless... just an example.)

It's pretty annoying that he abandons almost every project but, like I said, we don't have to give him any money.

Let him ask, I don't see why you have to see him in a negative light over it.

Luckily, we have more sense than dogs and we WON'T be giving him money if he doesn't deliver.
[G1 Android Development] shiben589:
This is a cool idea, and, while I can't contribute in terms of development, I would probably donate, and I'd definitely test! Also, IMHO, you guys should stay away from sense. It really slows these devices down, and theres nothing it can do that froyo cant. Just a suggestion from an avid froyo fan!

EDIT: I mean if Cyanogen doesn't beat you guys to the punch.
[G1 Android Development] XxKOLOHExX:
True it s your guys money, As well as my opinion to say it is unclassy.

I dropped this because it is your guys money to give, Just don't be surprised when he leaves..
[G1 Android Development] r0man:
I think there is a difference between temporarily leaving to work on different projects while one project advances further than just lurking for donations here.
[G1 Android Development] XxKOLOHExX:
Yupps, whatever you say, for the sake of not getting into another argument lets just leave it there :D
[G1 Android Development] SeEsAw12:
He's done it too many times, why would anyone be surprised?
[G1 Android Development] XxKOLOHExX:
IDK haha but people always seem surprised :P