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[Nexus One General] DMaverick50:
They have made "significant progress over the last couple of weeks"??? Wasn't froyo more or less ready at io? What are they progressing on? This is worthy of a deep analysis I hope that when its all said and done there is some sort of clearl timeline starting at io, I just have to know what happened that set them back so much that "significant progress" is insufficient. I wonder whats so important that it has to remain so mysterious? Obvioisly something big happened right after io. Mystery, conspiracy, intrigue, anticipation....This is utterly fascinating.
[Nexus One General] stuff:
First off, I'd like to say hello! I'm from SA, TX as well. :)

Secondly, I don't know what they are holding up their sleeve, but I hope it's something good. As they're getting "data" back from something.
[Nexus One General] esincho:
At least they getting it right. They never said it was ready 2 go at I/O. We so spoiled by xda I tell ya, including me. :D
[Nexus One General] ram130:
:D:D:D:D:D
[Nexus One General] AvengerBB:
This is why Google is hesitant to say anything - they are just picked apart. Tell me why you believe they were set back? The only official statement was that 2.2 would come within a matter of weeks.
[Nexus One General] chronopc:
I'm currently using Froyo on my phone and it works great. No real issues besides the Navigation sound not working correctly with the Car Dock. So I don't really mind Google taking their time to release the official OTA. Google is adding a lot with Froyo, so I'm not surprised that it's taking them a while to figure out all of the bugs. Hopefully they'll add some more features.
[Nexus One General] dan1431:
I am not sure that this follow up has made the thread yet, but it looks like there were some bugs, but also Google was not happy with performance of Android 2.2 (maybe speed of the OS, special fixes for the N1 specifically or something else entirely).

Another interesting point is that Google wants us to enjoy their releases probably as much as they enjoy thinking up new features and bringing them to reality.

Dan
[Nexus One General] McHale:
True, but I'd be happier with an 85% bug free now and the last 15% later than the 100% much later. Also, the 85% bug free is still way better than 2.1 I have now. I've come close to throwing my N1 in a drawer for good a few times.
[Nexus One General] esincho:
we have this now wit the current froyo roms
[Nexus One General] DMaverick50:
Actually since it worked so well on my phone I initially thought maybe they were adding cool stuff. I guess the post above by dan seems to indicate there were indeed setbacks. That's too bad I was hoping for the former. Anyway I'm still curious to know what they weren't happy with, because most people with the test version seem pretty happy with it. I guess its good that google has such high standards.
[Nexus One General] inneyeseakay:
MMS?

Flash?

Multi-tasking?
[Nexus One General] DMaverick50:
Hello to you too.

Hey out of curiousity, do you lose data connection when you go into stores/ other buildings? I do more often than not. Seems really lame I'm wondering if it could be my phone...I live in Alamo heights area
[Nexus One General] McHale:
I know and it bothers me! I have the AT&T friendly N1 and I'm still clean and stock. I don't want to root just to get a stock ROM that I'll be receiving the OTA soon (according to Google a FEW weeks). I'm going to SU and ROOT this thing at some point because I already see customizations I want to do, but I wanted to get Froyo first.

Patience sucks...

Oh well. Looks like this or next week is the week so a little longer can't hurt.
[Nexus One General] frozengash:
yes yes yes. i have tmobile but want official froyo FIRST. i did the same with 1.6 on my g1. Google will always impress us with every update. sometimes i think they just want to add the extra 'sparkle'
[Nexus One General] frozengash:
ps everytime i see mchale in xda i think of 'mchales navy'. and on another side not bruce campbell is a bad a#*
[Nexus One General] flarbear:
Actually, the only "official statement" was this press release where they said it would go "to OEMs and the open source community in the coming weeks" which is still one step removed from an OTA to end-user devices.

So, no official word at all actually on when the OTA would happen. Just some engineers in informal comments wanting us to keep our anticipation up perhaps a little longer than most find healthy.
[Nexus One General] McHale:
I like sparkles. I'll wait. :)

Congratulations! That's kinda where it came from actually. You're the first one to point it out in the over 22 years I've had it as my handle on BBS' and a TON of forums. It's a spin on my first name:

Michael => Mikhail (as in Gorbachov) => McHale

You get a gold star or something...

-Mc
[Nexus One General] esincho:
Ahhh, I got cha bro. I wasn't blessed with patience. :D
[Nexus One General] pIxiLatEd:
All this hype, a leaked test ROM, and now more waiting ... it's loosing it's luster to me.
[Nexus One General] :
Hear that google? pull the plug, pixelated lost interest.
[Nexus One General] codesplice:
What's more, he's loose-ing luster.

He doesn't even care enough to spell correctly anymore.

Please, Google, think of the spear-fishing astronauts being loosed upon unsuspecting green sharks and release Froyo already!
[Nexus One General] bofslime:
No issues here with 2.2 and the car doc.
[Nexus One General] badomen:
Nooo don't pull the plug Google, I'm still interested.
[Nexus One General] :
Too late, that shark was damning.
[Nexus One General] badomen:
Bollocks, I was looking forward to it. Ah well, never mind.
[Nexus One General] WebghostDK:
http://forums.blackdroidmod.com/ind...3-different-themes-new-base-updatezip-format/
[Nexus One General] justclimb:
Maybe they are testing Froyo not just in the Nexus but also into another Google branded device...

Some Vodafone UK worker said a couple of days ago the 2010 promised (by them) update for 32b HTC Magics was a "classified" info...

Connect the dots and...Voila!

I guess the word fragmentation has hurt Google deep inside...and are trying to regain the faith deposited by "oldtime" android users. Nexus users would benefit from the development done fitting Froyo on that low-end hardware in terms of raw speed, ram management, battery usage, etc... (remember HTC build Nexus around android 1.6)

I would be twice as happy as I have both the "blankita" (white magic) and the Icrapkiller.

:cool:
[Nexus One General] Raymond77:
I don't have the dock, so can't comment on that, but I've completely lost the ability to send and receive MMS with Froyo, on Vodafone in the UK.

However, it's very very rare that I'd send or receive and MMS, so no great loss most of the time...
[Nexus One General] DMaverick50:
If its true that they've have just been tying up loose ends, then we already have froyo so is there really anything interesting about the official one? I feel bad for google because the froyo I have is f*****g sick, but if they haven't added features then I agree its lost its luster. That's not to say it isn't great, but so much has been reported about the test version that I can think of literally nothing else to report other than it is officially rolling out. But again, pereonally, I'm happy and froyo is sweet, I just think it will be anticlimactic if there's nothing more in the official version. Of course, 720p would make of pretty damn exciting, just sayin...:p

Edit: not sure why my post has a devil icon, either google or my wife must be behind that
[Nexus One General] MaximReapage:
ROFL +1 (10char)
[Nexus One General] gibosn6594:
Maybe they were waiting to see what the new iPhone would bring and now they are adding what they need to add...i.e.- 720p
[Nexus One General] wesbalmer:
I wouldn't limit feature sets to a specific phone, not all phones will be capable of doing 720p, this would be a specific feature incorporated into the Nexus One branch. They're making changes to the global source, they're not spending their time trying to reach 'dead-lines' for our Nexus Ones! Like someone already said, the fragmentation is giving android a bad reputation, not even close to Windows Mobile but whatever.
[Nexus One General] stuff:
I almost never lose data connection. Only when at UTSA in many of the buildings. My service there is poor, and once inside it's basically gone.

But I haven't had any trouble elsewhere. I'm near Stone Oak area of SA. 1604/281.
[Nexus One General] momentarylapseofreason:
Very interesting site there.
[Nexus One General] :
Close it up boys, 72 is not final release. 75 is underway.
[Nexus One General] McHale:
ya gotta link?
[Nexus One General] :
Can't link to pillow talk.
[Nexus One General] McHale:
hmmmm....

pictures?! :)
[Nexus One General] chronopc:
Have you used the Navigation while playing Music at the same time? For me, the music does not pause when the Navigation is giving directions.
[Nexus One General] :
.......lol
[Nexus One General] afriza:
twitter.com/romainguy/status/16061188927
[Nexus One General] Blyte:
who said every body hates a smartass?

Too freakin funny
[Nexus One General] codesplice:
Epic first post: applauding my comedic value.

If only all n00bs would start out that way ;)

Welcome to the party!
[Nexus One General] temperbad:
Man google be taking forever on this rom....
[Nexus One General] whorehay:
As long as some FRF72 or whatever it'll be comes out I'll be more than happy. The current FRF50 is pretty good already.

And I'd be willing to bet Official Froyo will come out before I can get a leaked OS 6.0 on my BlackBerry 9700-- and the 9700 needs the OS update much more than the N1 does. I love me some BlackBerries, I just can't deal with the archaic OS anymore, especially the browser. There have been very limited upgrades to the browser since my 8700 days, and that's not a good thing.

If it weren't for the BB's superb messaging (which on Android, outside of E-mail and GChat, is subpar), it'd most definitely be gone already.

So be happy we even have an FRF50 to play with until the official release.
[Nexus One General] artesea:
You should double check your settings, mine worked fine when I went to 2.2, my mate had problems but we managed to fix it.

Settings -> Wireless & Networks -> Mobile networks -> Access Point Names

You should have something like Vodafone UK, press this (not the check button).

Name: Vodafone UK (or whatever you want)

APN: wap.vodafone.co.uk

Proxy: <Not set>

Port: <Not set>

Username: wap

Password: wap

Server: <Not set>

MMSC: http://mms.vodafone.co.uk/servlets/mms

MMS proxy: 212.183.137.12

MMS port: 8799

MCC: 234

MNC: 15

Authentication type: <Not set>

APN type: <Not set>
[Nexus One General] Rusty!:
Here's mine, MMS works fine:

EDIT: In fact, exactly what that dude up there has, d'oh!
[Nexus One General] tr.slate:
New frf72 tweet. Asked him what carrier country and if it was OTA...

http://twitter.com/douglastokuno
[Nexus One General] nexusdue:
Does he have a dev phone?
[Nexus One General] tr.slate:
not sure. ill copy his response here when i get it. but damn it has to be soon right? i never pictured "coming weeks" to mean a month or more...
[Nexus One General] altarity:
Looks like he's a google employee as of last month...
[Nexus One General] tr.slate:
GOD DAMN IT. thats it. i give up. im installing rc33 onto my nexus, so i know ill get some updates ;)
[Nexus One General] markouk:
@PaulOBrien Hey Paul, is there a way to extract an installed ROM from a non-rooted Android phone? I can get the Nexus One (build FRF72).

This came from someone called @harisn

Can someone with the technical skills have a chat with him and try to get a dump or a link?

How does he get the direct download link?
[Nexus One General] :
Send him a message directly on twitter, I'm not sure how often he checks here.
[Nexus One General] markouk:
No response. Tried to get hold of @harisn too but might be offline due to timezone or something.
[Nexus One General] :
77, these dudes are moving at a blazing speed
[Nexus One General] chowlala:
They have a week more before releasing Froyo. You do want Froyo right? :P
[Nexus One General] tr.slate:
got a response from douglastokuno on twitter. He said it was a manual update, so i asked if he would like to share the zip file for that, hahaha.
[Nexus One General] dan1431:
How do you know it only another week? Was there announcement that I missed somewhere?

Dan
[Nexus One General] z0phi3l:
Might have something to do with this news article

http://phandroid.com/2010/06/17/google-nexus-one-launched-in-korea-gets-froyo-pre-installed/
[Nexus One General] chowlala:
The release date on the Korean N1 with Froyo is June 21. Which means everything should be ready to be shipped out already.

In fact, there could be the possibility of the phones already having Froyo in shipment now. Hard to say, but should be any day. Unless like I mentioned, the "froyo" they have is FRF50. Then we're all back to square one. Lol.
[Nexus One General] chowlala:
This link has the date on it.

http://www.androidos.in/2010/06/froyo-updated-nexus-one-arriving-soon-in-south-korea.html
[Nexus One General] temperbad:
Wtf... lol google is really high
[Nexus One General] codesplice:
I enjoyed this article on the subject, largely because of the photo content.

... damn I've been in the desert too long!
[Nexus One General] Talderon:
Ahhh... My birth country (was born in Seoul S. Korea). :D
[Nexus One General] onehoon:
june 21 is the day that pre-order starts.

shipping will begin at mid july in korea

(was early july. but delayed due to google's request.. and I guess that's because froyo...)

that's from the carrier's official twitter....
[Nexus One General] SuxenNeo:
Yeah, looks like official Froyo release will not be in June. Thank heavens for the leak version. Makes the waiting bearable. :D
[Nexus One General] chowlala:
Actually... it makes it worse! :P
[Nexus One General] :
Slowing down now at 78

How wants to take bets on final build Nexus Froyo release?

My guess is 82.
[Nexus One General] codesplice:
The final Froyo release will be 1337.
[Nexus One General] wesbalmer:
Final Froyo Release is FRF80, started rolling out to users two days ago.

not really
[Nexus One General] :
From the looks of it, the build numbers are gonna be pretty close between droid and nexus.

So hawt.
[Nexus One General] worker1:
I can't wait!
[Nexus One General] mnlk2:
fake ? sources?
[Nexus One General] Clarkster:
:D

Go back and read the post again...
[Nexus One General] irishrally:
I've heard of selective listening ...
[Nexus One General] pzumk:
Yay! Just got the OTA release of the FRF1337 update someone mentioned 2 sites ago! FAAAST!

not. And now stfu everyone.
[Nexus One General] nexusdue:
Another week ... with no update.

I guess "soon" meant within the next couple millennia?
[Nexus One General] McHale:
I already went back to my Windows Mobile phone. When the OTA hits, I'll eventually dig the N1 out of my drawer and see if the mail client still sucks. If so, back in the drawer until Gingerbread.
[Nexus One General] nexusdue:
Good old WinMo: everything looked like crap but it SIMPLY WORKED!
[Nexus One General] McHale:
Yup. I've NEVER had the OS BSD or FC on me. Hell, half the time I'm in the Android app store it FC's when I click on the Downloads button.

I hate Steve Jobs enough I'd never buy an apple product. Honestly, Windows Mobile is practically dead and may be dead within a year or two. And you're right, it looks like ass but the Exchange Integration is better than any other smartphone on the market and the main things I do with my phone are email, contacts, and calendar.

I detest Android's contact handling. The Exchange integration, while supposedly better in 2.2, is non existent in 2.1. But Android email client is the absolute worst P.O.S. I've ever used. It is the main reason I can't use Android as my primary device.

But, I throw all my support behind Android at this point. Microsoft rode out 6.0 for WAY WAY WAY too long and the world moved on. Windows Phone OS is going to be a nightmare with all the different versions. Windows Phone 7, Windows Phone Classic, Windows Phone Enterprise Emebedded based on 6.5, Windows Phone Emebedded Enterprise based on 7.0. Stupid move Microsoft.

So anyway, here's hoping we see the Froyo OTA soon.
[Nexus One General] nexusdue:
Finally someone with some sense! Couldn't agree more!

I use my phone for business and the exchange integrations is just plain horrible. And after trying the supposedly "great" solutions like touchdown, I wanted to punch someone in the face - pure crap!

MS also didn't make friends when they left it up to the carriers/manufacturers to update the phone OS. I fear Android is going to fall into the same black hole.

I hate crapple products but why is Steve Jobs the only one that just "gets it"? (even though I detest him forcing everybody to conform to his vision)
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] btdag:
Hi.

I'm have now rewritten the Spreadsheet and will shortly be integrating my CPU benchmarks and GPU benchmarks into the same sheet (not really that interesting or anything but it's there if you want to see exactly how things are worked out) but it explains why the progress has been slow recently. I have now taken this thread over from Arkymedes - and a HUGE thanks to him for creating the spreadsheet and doing most of the benchmarks which are still being referenced in them. He has done a brilliant job!

This page will continue to keep the tests strictly to GPU performance. CPU performance can be viewed here.

(like Arkymedes) I will take in consideration the clock used in each ROM and try to use the maximum allowed by the kernel using SetCPU. HOWEVER, all rom's will be tested at 691 MHz for consistency and any other frequencies will be detailed.

About JIT, unfortunately, all Arkmedes tests show that it doesn't affect 3D performance YET, since all this apps are not properly optimized and didn't take JIT into account. However, this may change with Froyo builds so keep an eye out.

All the ROM's clocked @ 691MHz "Performance" under SetCPU, unless specified otherwise. All tests are conducted 5 times and an average is taken. The tests are carried out in Aeroplane mode with no widgets running on the desktop. No apps are installed aside from the benchmark apps and Apps2SD is used (if enabled by the ROM). The latest version of the benchmark software is always used (they usually only add support for new phones in updates rather than changing benchmark parameters).

Benchmark apps:

Neocore - Qualcomm's own benchmark tool for 3D performance. Measured in FPS

Benchmark - Softweg's test suite for benchmarking. Only the GPU test done here to account for 2D performance. Measured by an internal score.

An3DBench - Tests based on jPCT, a free 3D engine for Java. 7 tests showing the capabilities of the engine. Measured by an internal score.

Note that all the tests mean: The higher the score, the better.

Anyway, here it goes :)
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] RaduG:
A little suggestion: you should specify wether whe rom is sense or vanilla, and also the CPU clock used for the tests.
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] 0ftal:
Can't wait!
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] sheridan2000:
that's a long couple of hours.......:p
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] seshmaru:
Are you going to do VillainROM 10.2 with Sense + JIT enabled? If not I can try and do a benchmark.
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] Arkymedes:
Thread updated
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] hansmrtn:
Please Note:

I believe in the EzHero 2.7 stats, that jit is not enabled, with jit EzHero 2.7 is equal or greater than EzHero 2.0
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] sheridan2000:
maybe link each of the roms in the first thread for people to easily find...being quite new here i cant fins the Androbin-cr2-5.0.7...what ever that one is...
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] RaduG:
Your efforts are highly appreciated, good job.

But there is a problem: you didn't say which ROM is JIT enabled and which is not, because as you see CPU benchmarks have better results on JIT enabled ROMs, even though, as you can see, 3D is not affected.
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] hansmrtn:
My bench marks

My benchmarks with EzHero 2.7+ JIT:

Linpack- 4.886

Neocore w/ sound- 30.2FPS

Neocore w/o sound- 33.2FPS

Quadrant Standard- 280

Benchmark Pi- 7222 milliseconds

Very good job on the post, well done keeping us informed!
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] Arkymedes:
Hello!

What I'm trying to do here is to benchmark any version that I can find in these forums WITHOUT any further optmization. The benchmarkings are done OUT OF THE BOX

So, if I have to MANUALLY enable JIT or any OC AFTER the flashing, it will NOT show in these graphics!

I didn't do that because it is just impossible for me to keep track of every single optmization that can be done to every single one of this ROM's. I just don't have the time and resources for that.

So again, all this tests are done straight after the flashing of the downloaded ROM (logically, after some reboots and bla bla bla).

I really hope that you guys understand that. It's not a way to show which ROM is better, since there are MANY more factors that dictate that, like BT calls, GPS and so on. It's just a way to measure mostly 3D performance out of the box with the ROM's you provide.
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] Arkymedes:
That's a good idea, but I guess the WIKI sticked in the first page should have done the job. It will be redundant but I can try to keep track of them.
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] hansmrtn:
Man sad day, all you have to do in EzHero to enable jit is go to the terminal app and type jit-on.

Still, job well done! Kudos!
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] Arkymedes:
I will add EZHero 2.7 with JIT enabled after Italy x Paraguay :P
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] hansmrtn:
World Cup always comes first my friend lol ;)
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] -2y2k-:
its raining pretty hard in the game...

anyways, so 2.0 is JIT enabled and 2.7 is not in your graph? because huge difference in linpack scores with the older having a better score.

you should also mention Benchmark Pi - lower the score, the better.
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] hansmrtn:
Yeah, 2.0 is jit enabled, but now 2.7 is optional due to complaints and split decisions. I posted the benchmarks with jit on the last post of the front page ;)
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] -2y2k-:
im a Sense guy but its been awhile since I tried a non-sense one, your ROM is rrreally tempting right now lol
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] hansmrtn:
Well vanilla Eclair and EzHero are both great roms, heck even Androbin is tied with those two. :D
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] shokkapic:
In the Quadrant Graph, androbin doesn't have his bar. :P
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] Arkymedes:
Just quickly answer this one..

It's because it gives an error about "the device not having stencil buffers enabled"

Flashed twice and couldnt make it work, hence why doesn't have data showing.
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] seshmaru:
I got 4.8 MFLOPS on villainrom 10 @ 691MHz with sense and JIT enabled.
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] shokkapic:
Also, you could delete Roufianos.

It has been already proven that is 99% equal to VillainRom 10.2 :)
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] Arkymedes:
Cannot find it anywhere... care to provide a link for me? :D
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] shokkapic:
http://www.villainrom.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=65&t=1304&sid=da72880fed5e7c85771fa73546696940
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] Hacre:
VillainROM 10.2:

neocore: 32.3fps

benchmark: 147.56798

an3dbench:

Fillrate ST/MT: 8.90/9.06 MP/sec

High object count: 7.82 fps

Multiple lights: 28.42 fps

High polygon count: 5.52 fps

Keyframe animation: 34.42 fps

Game level: 6.90fps

TOTAL SCORE: 2275
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] seshmaru:
5.32 on linpack with 768 MHz + sense + JIT on villainrom 10, phone froze shortly after ):
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] Arkymedes:
Just added graphs.
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] Hacre:
Why do people keep posting Linpack scores in a GPU bench thread? lol :p