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[XPERIA X10 General] j4mm3r:
@clintax, I'm pretty sure that the real reason that you see this improvement is because you have basically disabled all your networking facilities.

I have wifi turned on (never turn off when plugged in), GPS is turned on (which is the best because it doesnt consume any power unless some app uses it), bluetooth is off (but can turn on on request via settings widget).

My phone lasts me over 12 hours, which is sufficient to cover a normal work day, I use it in the metro to read books, I check news and feeds occasionally. I use push email so that I get instant notifications.

Personally, I dont think using task killer applications to kill apps is the only factor in the improvements you report. Usually, whenever I check my battery usage, applications+android system are usually under 5% in total.

I'm pretty sure my battery will last longer if I follow your example, but my phone wouldnt be half as useful as it is now. I really dont mind charging it overnight.

Cheers!

j4mm3r;)
[XPERIA X10 General] piercewei:
followed your instructions but didnt get help. actually, my major battery drains on radio and standby. the 2 items always takes more than 50% of the total drainage.

look forward to the comments from all of you.
[XPERIA X10 General] imir:
Didn't see any improvements either. I usually get 25h+ without running any task killers or start auditors, with 3g always on and medium to hard usage of the phone, which I'm pretty happy with. So I think its the settings of the data and radio that drain the battery, not the applications.
[XPERIA X10 General] aBaDDoN-NL:
As a fellow Dutchman I'll share my part ;)

Well I've tried most stuff already on my X10 and the only stuff I can really find that drains my battery are faulty apps (or at least in combination with the X10), GPS and searching for network when I'm out of reach (which is seldom).

I've currently disabled Beautiful Widget using the Startup Auditor, because at some point it starts killing my phone by running 100% and not letting my phone go to sleep. And this is what I meant by faulty apps (or in conjunction with the phone/OS).

3G is always enabled (what would be the use of this phone if you would disable all features which makes a smartphone useful).

Network based location enabled (now using it for the Weather & Toggle app).

No taskkillers running whatsoever.

Running Helix Launcher2 as home with seven screens.

Sending 20 to 30 textmessages, browsing the internet for 30 minutes (half with wifi/ half without), some calls about 30 minutes, toying a lot on the phone two hours plus, some Google Maps navigation 15 minutes with GPS enabled.

This will get me two days of usage easily.

Oh and running R1FB001 at the moment but had these results already with the R1EA016.
[XPERIA X10 General] clintax:
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well yea, i installed helix launcher yesterday but i uninstalled it right away because i didnt like it so much.

Well to be honest, before i used the agressive settings etc on ATK, i used the same settings on the rest of my device

Wich are

-Only 2G

-No WIFI or bluethooth on

-Gps off

-autosync off

-dissabled auto-update, and put it on manual

-deleted the cash of moxier, timescape, mediascape in settings->my applications, and removed there icons from the homescreen

-screen brightness on auto

I suggest you take a look at this video from sony, wich explains it more detailed

(cant post links yet)

w w w .youtube. com/watch?v=P3H--BLPQnI (kill spaces)

and my battery still drained atleast 3-4% hr if not more, it is only from WHEN i started using these settings in ATK that my battery life improved like 500%!

BTW :) as for what features it kills by doing so i dont know yet, but at this moment everything still works perfectly

At this moment i have 14hr 23min 31 sec and 96% battery left, i'il post another pic for you guys.

Here are the new Pics: w w w.photoshack. com/thumbnails.php?album=10356 (kill spaces)

Cheerz
[XPERIA X10 General] clintax:
Well the important part off all this was Security Level ==> Low

it shows you like 3x more things running on you phone then normal, and i just killed them all except: Ignore list= ATK, Xperia Flashlight, Alarm, VizBattery, Handcent Sms and taskpanel, but i dont realy use taskpanel anymore

I am still trying to find out what it actually kills in particular but i heavent found any problems yet
[XPERIA X10 General] lornova:
I had two "battery cycles" where the battery lasted 48 hours with my normal usage (Moxier+Gmail in push, 3G data, no WiFi, some Bluetooth while driving the car, no GPS). I noticed that because I usually have a 24 hour duration, and at the end of the day, when I put the phone charging while I sleep, I still had more that 60% of the battery instead of the usual 15%! So I decided to not recharge overnight and so I get about 48 hours both times.

The third cycle lasted even more, about 60 hours!!!

However, starting from the fourth cycle... back to 20 hours, or even less... I have not changed anything, I'm not even using task killers... I really don't know what is wrong with this phone (the problem is not the battery itself, I tried with 2 original SE battery + the mugen).
[XPERIA X10 General] piercewei:
Wow, the performance is just amazing. I suggest you start to use the phone instead of keeping it idle. Then you can share with us how the battery performs, thanks.
[XPERIA X10 General] MarylandCookie:
Which version of Advanced Task Killer are you using? as i have just checked mine and do not have the option to kill when screen is off :confused:

I have version 1.7.4 build46
[XPERIA X10 General] clintax:
Hehe ty, well yea i am using the phone as much as i can, but at this moment i have exams and my social life came to a minimum which looks like i almost have no friend left ^^ but tomorrow i got my last one (after frigging 2,5months) HELL YEAH, and from then on i will start using my phone the way i am used to and not having it idle 95% of the time and i'il keep you guys updated as long as i am sober :p

Ps: 15hr 28min @ 95%

i saw the last link didnt work, i'il try again

h ttp:// w w w.photoshack. com/thumbnails.php?album=lastupby&uid=16302
[XPERIA X10 General] clintax:
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Advanced task killer v1.7.9 build 57 (directly from market)
[XPERIA X10 General] mtechfan:
Ok, so with the settings I used over night, I had a 5% drop over a period of 7 hours sitting idle.

Auto Kill level - Safe

Kill Freq - When Screen Off

Security level - Medium

BT, WIFI and APN - disabled.
[XPERIA X10 General] Mobzter:
I had a 1% drop in like 6/7hrs.. fell asleep whilst using xda, 3g was still running an all..

I just use taskpanel

Wifi, gps, bluetooth & auto sync off

also Adw launcher

Edit.. Firmware 016 (only cause I can't remember the rest lolz)

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[XPERIA X10 General] MarylandCookie:
Can people post what firmware they are using when they are posting their battery usage stats etc

Thanks :)
[XPERIA X10 General] hrm5023:
No Task Killing

I tried all methods including yours and still came down to about 14 hours max.

I read somewhere that android freezes the tasks that are inactive, and so it does not take up any battery or takes up very minimal. Rather android takes up more battery trying to restart the tasks everytime.

So my next idea was to keep my memory to the lowest. As soon as the phone starts I am at about 150mb of memory, and I just start opening up different apps and the memory ends up to about 35mb, doesn't go any lower then that. Android automatically frees up some space if I need more for another app or anything like that.

In this way with very low memory my phone still runs with the same smoothness. There is no difference that I noticed with the low amount of memory, and I am getting about 28 hours of battery now. I occasionally turn my wifi on and check mail/update weather/Update Soccer app etc... and I lose about 2-3% battery doing that, but otherwise I lose about 3% battery while I am sleeping and the phone is idle (8 hours).

I dont know this method seems to be working for me.
[XPERIA X10 General] clintax:
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I think the main reason for bad battery is Moxier mail, Timescape and Mediascape, i am not sure how much they use individually but i am sure it uses most of you battery in comparison to other things like 3G.

At this moment i am getting crazy results with the Advanced task killer, i think its mostly because those 3 apps i mentioned above are not running in my background anymore.

What i did was removed there icons from my homescreen and removed there cache in Settings => My applications. earlier i wasnt able to force stop any of those 3 but after clearing there cache and putting the security level on "low" at ATK i was able to see and stop them.

Atm my battery is at 91% after 21hr's, and i also made some calls in between, but i still heavent found out yet what the battery performance will be if i only force stopped those 3 in particular and let the rest run as intended.

I'l try it out and let you guys know
[XPERIA X10 General] PollPixx:
Thanks for the suggestion, I will try it out and come back as soon as the results are satisfying.

Unfortunately I am addicted to the Homerun game, so to really test it I have to quit playing for a while:D

Cheers,

Arnold
[XPERIA X10 General] rocketpaul:
The problem for me was my x10 wasnt sleeping when i put it to sleep but i can easily get 2days use now
[XPERIA X10 General] joefloater:
How do I make sure it is sleeping. Last night I rebooted when I left work and checked spare parts when I got home. The damn thing spent 56 out of 60 min. not sleeping. Wtf. I have removed beautiful widgets to start but any other help would be appreciated.
[XPERIA X10 General] un1:
Turn off location services in settings - locations. Reboot then.

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[XPERIA X10 General] yetep:
Who owns a smartphone and doesn't use the smart features?

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[XPERIA X10 General] onuris21:
threadstarter.:rolleyes:
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
+10000

LooooooooooooooooooooooL! :D

Seriously now, I have to deeply disagree with the notion that the intensive use of any task killing program will benefit the device's performance in any way.

My battery lasts from 24-48 hours, depending on the usage, and I do have a task killer installed, but mainly for monitoring applications.

And I noticed this interesting thing:

When the device boots up I have 100-150 MB of RAM free.

After using the device for a while, the RAM always falls to 30-40 MB.

BUT the speed remains the same and I notice no "weird" battery drain whatsoever.

Even if I kill applications like Moxier (which is always idle, as I've never set it up or used it), or VZnet etc, the memory in a while falls back at 30-40 MB.

This is due to the fact that Android works this way.

It is feeling RAM with application cache for quicker access.

And there is a threshold, of course.

If we really want to get rid of some apps, then it's our lucky day, because X10 got rooted!

But killing apps every time the screen goes off is purely OCD and useless. ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] mcduck99:
I can confirm this and reading this message now stopped me to open a new thread.

I've also Task Manager to look what's running and when it reports, that there are only 30-40MB free memory left, I can't find any entry in the task list.

The only two things, I've used for the past couple of days are the phone-app and the cam-app.

And I can notice a "speed reduction". After the reboot, the CAM app will open in <6 secs. With reduced memory, I needs up to 10 secs.

grrrrrrrrr :mad:
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
I have noticed the dealy in the camera too.

But I have come to think that it doesn't have to do with the free memory.

It has to do with how much time has passed since you last opened it and what application you opened in between.

For example:

When the phone boots, the camera opens in <6 seconds. You open it and take some pictures.

So, the camera app stays in cache.

While you're using your phone, probably opening Timescape, or Mediascape,

those applications take up cache, removing the camera app from there.

At least for me, that seems to be the case.
[XPERIA X10 General] ronniecross:
The sad thing is, all the tutorials I read for increasing battery life involve turning 3G off, which is pointless. I mean, it may work, but then I may aswell have not bothered getting a 'smart' phone.

It's a smart phone because it can do things without any manual input (with exception of setup) like emails/calendar sync, BBC News updates, Weather/Timescape sync... I'd like to be able to go on foursquare/facebook/browser without having to worry about connecting to the internet each time (I've not had to do that since before my first GPRS phone... and I've always stayed up to date with my phones).

It's a poor solution, and one that Sony Ericsson need to sort out. I live in a 3G capable area (the only place I dont get a good 3G signal is my bedroom, where I go to sleep, and put my phone on charge before hand).

I very rarely use wifi, however when I do use it, I would expect the phone to drain my battery, that is normal. The same with bluetooth, which I use VERY cautiously.

I'll be impressed when I find a solution to reduce my battery life that doesn't involve dissabling my data connection, but I can't see it happening.
[XPERIA X10 General] mcduck99:
I've formatted my flash card and set the phone bach to the factory settings.

After that, I've installed taskmanager and APN. I only configured my gmail account. Oh, and I restored my flash card (DCIM -> photos/videos; MP3 folder).

That's all. After that, I set the phone to GPS-only. All location settings are off.

After I started timescape and mediascape, I missed 5-8Mb (taskmanager).
[XPERIA X10 General] piercewei:
I finally made it!!!

It's just very simple. I posted before mentioning that I tried everything but didnt get any improvement. Actually, Im using Helix launcher donunt for some time. Though a lot of people here reported that it really improved the battery performance, it didnt help me at all. I used to use 3 screens because It was enough for me. Yesterday, when I review this thread again, I suddenly came up with an idea. Then I just set the screen no to 7. Amazing happened!!!!

This morning, I restarted the phone at 0800. Now is 1200. I made more than 20mins. phone calls and a few texts. The battery is 94%!!! Before, it should have gone down to 80% sth. What a big difference achieved!!!

Suggest everyone still having the battery issue try in this way! May it help you!!!:D

I will report later for more information.
[XPERIA X10 General] 4mynikka:
I use my phone heavily and I'm not sure if I'm getting decent battery life based on my usage to those getting over 24 hours, this is what I've gotten without using any task killers and setting my back screen to auto, here is the summary of my usage in the last 12 hours and 30 mins.

Calls: 40:07 mins

Bluetooth: 05:34 hours

Display: 02:35 hours

WiFi: 03:35 hours

I also sent text messages a bunch of times >35 times, emailed, watched you tube videos.

Toggled with data on/off throughout the day and toggled between 3g/2g depending on where I was.

So after this I still have 31% battery left, to those getting over 24 hours how heavy are you guys using it? Is it comparable to mine with similar usage?
[XPERIA X10 General] piercewei:
Yes, this is a quite good result. I never reach such a level before. Normally, my X10 lasts 15-18hrs with about 1 hr. phone calls, 1 hr. 3G surfing, 30mins vedio playback , 10-20texts and some others operations.

I believe my current condition will lead to a much longer battery time.

BTW, I donot use any task killer.
[XPERIA X10 General] lunarken:
mmm.. let me try the settings.
[XPERIA X10 General] beetleman:
Well, I am trying this setting and for now:

2h 26 minutes since unplugged

battery is 98%

I used twitter, send two e-mails, check e-mails via wifi/gprs

So for now, it is very good :D
[XPERIA X10 General] piercewei:
However, the battery drained from 90-80% in 2 hrs with low usage...I'm check what was happening.
[XPERIA X10 General] lunarken:
i think this setting is useful to me..config the setting at 1350hrs at 48hrs now is 1650hrs with 45% with 1 call n few sms.
[XPERIA X10 General] rosco16:
The problem of battery is resolved with the new firmware
[XPERIA X10 General] ddewbofh:
And not just by increasing it like 50-100% but in the order of 500-1000%. It's awesome, I can finally use my X10 as a smartphone. :)
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
Is that right? That would be really great! :D
[XPERIA X10 General] ddewbofh:
Before the update I got about 12h standby out of it, without wifi or gps and using task killer as well as juicedefender. Now it's been running six hours with gps, wifi, no juicedefender, task killer and I still have 80% juice left. Despite installing tons of new apps, listening to spotify and playing games.
[XPERIA X10 General] rosco16:
stand by in new fw is brillant !!!
[XPERIA X10 General] beetleman:
7h 1m since unplugged

cell standby 41%

phone idle 38%

voice calls 8%

display 7%

Android System 6%

wifi 2%

Battery is on 89%

In real time using, I had 3 phone calls (about 3 minutes each), e-mail checking by two e-mail accounts, little seesmic, web and foursquare.

I am very happy with result.
[XPERIA X10 General] beetleman:
Guys, new report:

Cell time 12 hours

Battery status : 73%

From last check, I send several emails,made a phone call,several sms, seesmic and facebook. This is great :-)

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[XPERIA X10 General] TechGuru_x10:
You guys are lucky, when will we get update......even though it is x10i
[XPERIA X10 General] k1sr:
Hey Team...!

Saw a few posts about the Battery Usage info in settings, and hoping not to offend anyone, but you're all reading it wrong...

It doesn't show you how much of the battery the service has actually consumed. It only shows what percentage of the 'on-time' the service has been used across the total 'on-time' for all services since the device was unplugged...

Ok, so that's a little confusing, but let me explain...

Let's say you have the following services running (and the time they've been on for)

Android System (on all the time)

Cell Standby (on all the time)

Bluetooh (on 50% of the time)​

Now, assuming the device is on for 10hrs, you get the following 'on time'

Android System 10hrs

Cell Standby 10hrs

Bluetooth 5hrs

Total 'on time' = 25hrs​

Now, each as a percentage of total 'on-time', you'll get the following numbers

Android System 40%

Cell Standby 40%

Bluetooth 20%

(total 100%)​

So whether you've had bluetooth at full power (i.e. connected to a headset) or just in 'standby' mode, you'll still get the same percentage.

In short, the numbers are not as detailed as you might think, and therefore not as useful either. Really just tells you how long they've been on or off for.
[XPERIA X10 General] piercewei:
no ,i dont think so. my android system percentage is always much lower than radio and standby. what you mentioned above needs to be discussed.
[XPERIA X10 General] ptesmoke:
honestly, ive been getting minimum 24 hours worth of battery time from the get go. i have yet to see if this new update does in fact use even less, but for the most part people seem to think task killers or juice defender or anything like that helps battery life. i can tell you right now it doesnt!! i used ATK for a week to test and i was lucky to get 12 hours from a charge. without ATK i can easily go 24hours without a charge and still be around 30-40% battery before i charge.

look at what you have installed and make sure your device is actually going to sleep!

ill report back about R2 firmware in a day or so once i can tell if battery consumption is different. (identical setup as i had on R1 firmware, same apps, same settings etc..)

cheers
[XPERIA X10 General] piercewei:
i completely agree. i dont use any task killer either.
[XPERIA X10 General] beetleman:
Well I have 53% of battery and time of working x10 is 1 day and 3 hours,so this is tge first time that my x10 is running so long without recharging :-)

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[XPERIA X10 General] LFCFredda:
This sounds very good. Hope my phone will have longer battery time too :D
[XPERIA X10 General] dtopler:
I’ve just updated my phone to the latest firmware, but I am still getting extremely poor battery life. I unplugged my phone at around 8:30 this morning, talked on it for twenty minutes, listened to music with headphones for another fifteen, and surfed the internet, etc. for thirty minutes tops. It’s 11:30 now, and now I only have 65% left. That’s less than four hours of light usage killing 1/3 of my battery.

Android’s battery information says the display is taking 50% power. It’s set on auto-brightness. Nothing else seems to be sucking too much juice. Any ideas? I don’t get how everyone else is saying 24+ hours, when I can barely get 12.

Thanks!
[XPERIA X10 General] Mobzter:
U've updated to the r2ba020 firmware? 1 suggestion I can give is to avoid using auto brightness, just do it manually.. don't think you'd need more than 15% other than when its really bright outside lol
[XPERIA X10 General] dtopler:
Yeah, on R2BA020. I'll try that and see how it goes. Thanks.
[XPERIA X10 General] blaze16:
Ya, I'm having the same issue as dtopler. I've just updated to R2 from R1FA014, charged to max, rebooted, setup ADW and a few apps, even disabled Moxier from starting up (StartupAuditor), and I'm getting poor battery, maybe even worse than before.

Do you think i need to cycle the battery a few times? I have screen brightness at the lowest it can be, Wifi and GPS are off, no task killers.

EDIT: So I totally jumped to conclusions. It turns out my battery lasted ~40 hours on that same charge! Gosh, I'm too eager... :D
[XPERIA X10 General] beetleman:
Well guys,this is the first time that I got 2 days and 4 hours of unpluged working by my X10. I have last firmware and with this setup,phone is working just right.

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[XPERIA X10 General] HunteronX:
Check app CPU usage with a task manager (E.g. system panel lite)
[XPERIA X10 General] ranguleo:
Guys,

I have been using Advanced task killer from past 2 months.

Aggressive type may crash the application in long run (2-3 weeks)

even it blocks the essintial system application which may cause to hang or blank screen(with no right application to run).

Safe type is best and better to save the battery and application.

regards,

Ranguleo
[XPERIA X10 General] goothu99:
are beautiful widget and agenda widget apps that drain battery? If so what are good alternatives?
[XPERIA X10 General] Wolfbreak:
Depends on how much they Updating. I usually set all my Widgets to manual updating so it drain almost nothing.
[XPERIA X10 General] anjo2:
Dont use task killers, make your phone slower, uninstall all applications that you dont need, like timescape, moxier, etc, no 3g, no wifi, no bluetooth, no gps, 50% bright...

Whe you use task killers, there are some applications that come back to do some job, if you kill it again, they never can do the job, and are trying to do that job for a long time, make the phone slower.
[XPERIA X10 General] jimbo77:
Hey what app are you using to show that information...? Looks awesome

Sent from my X10i
[XPERIA X10 General] KelvinMead:
Pfft... I want wifi, I want gps, I want a decent screen brightness, I want my phone to be smart... Or id plug in my Nokia 8310 that would last a week on half a charge...

This phone cannot cope with being a phone. Its pretty, its ok, but I wouldn't think of attempting a day without a full charge over night, a car charger, a charger at work and a spare battery in my bag.