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[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Dunc001:
More, more!

Dave,

I got everything you and T have done up and running last night and I have to say great work guys! Still have the same problem as I did when I originally tried Rumball's theme in that there doesn't seem to be any difference with the Single or Loop animations - they both loop and you end up going crosseyed with all the anims in the 5-day and 6-day pages all flashing away constantly. I am about to try running without the animated icons (just the Manila statics) as I think the static icons are sharper than those in the HTC VGA icon set.

I love the full page graphs and radars, really don't like the 6-day forecast page (although I do like the 6-day moon cycle at the bottom). I'm not really seeing the logic in having the basic front page then the more detailed second page (especially as Troed preferred the Kangmas layout as it had everything on the first page?) so I'm going to have a go at merging the two pages together.

I think there is a brilliant solution there just waiting to be found by merging the best bits of PhatPhinger with the best bits of Rumball so I'm going to try and come up with an amalgamation of the two. Ideally a combined first/second page from Rumball but with PhatPhinger buttons, a better looking 6-day page, daily forecast pages from Rumball but with the moon info below the combined temp/prec graph so no need for the two almost identical pages currently in Rumball (clicking top left of home screen or on one of the 5-days at the bottom of the page). Might take me a few days to get my head around it and do the major cut and paste job it is likely to be ;) so bear with me! I'll also try and tidy up the various screen heights (some of them seem to overlap the softkey bar), text alignments, etc.

Let's not stop here, we're a stone's throw away from WP nirvana!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Dunc001:
Animated icons

Dave/Troed,

I have just been having another look at the Rumball layout and just wanted to point out that there is actually no need to download the massive animated icon files and copy them into Large as they don't work. The small animated icons which loop in the five day section at the bottom of the first page and also throughout the other pages are in fact already in the Manila VGA Icons folder (they are the ones in the main folder and not any of the sub folders). The ones you download seperately and copy into the Large subfolder are not VGA. They would replace the large static images on pages one and two, but they are too small and align to the top left of the area taken up by the large static images. If you want to see what I mean delete all of the original icon files from the Large folder then paste in just the animated ones (looped or single play) - if you have both the static images and the animations in the large folder WP will default to the static images so you have probably never seen the animations.

Basically to have the large static images and small animated images in the Rumball layouts all you need is the Manila VGA icons folder and nothing else! The 'large' animated icons were created way back for much smaller screens so look way too small in our screens. In Rumballs thread there is a link to where someone had made a start on large VGA animated icons but he nover got more than four or five done and the files are huge, so don't bother looking any further as there aren't any out there. I was hoping someone was going to be able to extract the weather animation out of sense for us to reformat and use in WP but I'm afraid this is beyond me!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] davej:
Cheers Mate

Hi Dunc,

I was going to try that next. Somewhere in the bowels of Sense are the Manila files I'm sure!!

It may take a while and may even need a ROM extraction! But happy to have a go!

I look forward to your hybrid WPL files! T-Man I were just having fun trying to get a look that worked for us. Totally stoked that you are on board, after all its your baby we're just along for the ride!!

Back soon!

Davej: :cool:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Dunc001:
Sense weather files

Dave, if you look a few pages back someone posted with an attachment called weather.zip. It is full of manila files which you may just find are the weather animations?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] prboy1969:
Hey want to install this . But , I need to know if My Location is now working ? Also Can I just install the WeatherPanel_2010.CAB and go , or is there more I have to do ?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Dunc001:
My Location is not working (still waiting for someone far cleverer than us to figure this one out!). WP is basically an old Today plug-in so needs somewhere to 'live' - either Second Today as described in the 1st post or MTP or similar additional Sense tab as you can find elsewhere on XDA. This was the best solution for us as the other options are a bit 'messy', but just pick whichever one suits your needs.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] prboy1969:
Thanks , will try one of those .
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] mknewman:
It's too bad Marsware hasn't updated the product since February 2005 and the user community has been forced to release patches for it in the form of binary changes since the Moon table in it is staticly coded and only good for about a year. I like it, probobly best, but am using SPB's weather since Marsware support is zilch.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] catman51:
MKNewman,

It is still the most accurate weather on the market, and believe me I own every damn one of them.

For L.A., most, including SPB give me the weather for the airport, which is 25 miles away and nearer the ocean, which is 10 to 15 degrees different than where I live.

None are as accurate as WPanel.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] troed:
I think there is a brilliant solution there just waiting to be found by merging the best bits of PhatPhinger with the best bits of Rumball so I'm going to try and come up with an amalgamation of the two. Ideally a combined first/second page from Rumball but with PhatPhinger buttons, a better looking 6-day page, daily forecast pages from Rumball but with the moon info below the combined temp/prec graph so no need for the two almost identical pages currently in Rumball (clicking top left of home screen or on one of the 5-days at the bottom of the page). Might take me a few days to get my head around it and do the major cut and paste job it is likely to be so bear with me! I'll also try and tidy up the various screen heights (some of them seem to overlap the softkey bar), text alignments, etc.

Hi Dunc, Hi Davej !

Was thinking the same since I run WP now in "everyday usability"-test, although Page 1 and 2 are not that much a problem at all (for me) since mostly I shut down WP in the 2nd screen (which means it starts again in 2nd screen when switched on again).

The accuracy of WP is breathtaking and much better than HTC-Sense-Weather (wonder which source data are taken from).

Nevertheless I also work on a layout for Page 1 to merge with Page 2 but results till now show that then page 1 is overcrowded (even with the buttons up right)

What needs much rework is the summary screen: there is too much wasted space between the outlook for 6 days and moon-phases and to my feeling the outlook (e.g. Mo/Tue/Wed/Thu) should be grouped horizontally instead of vertically and text should be uniform with the rest of the interface (I´m not so in favour of the black text outlined in white). We´ll see if get THAT managed.

Methinks we will (should) end up with 3-4 versions to match the likings of 90% of Dunc´s and Davej´s WP-users (my part is still minor layout changes and weather-radar anims search since until now I have no knowledge and abilities to extract Sense-codes and Sense-conversions, for this I´m still too much noob :D)

An integration of "My location" would be great though but then we will have to foresee in settings that there should be no update when on roaming since I don´t know if Sense will prevent costly updates when abroad in roaming mode (will try THIS nxt time when I´m out of reach of my home provider).
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] troed:
You will have to install ALL files from Page 1 PRECISELY according to Dunc´s installation guide (Second Today !!!!!) and make Dunc´s basic WP-app working on Your HD2.

THEN You can jump to page 26 and install Davej´s mod according to HIS installation guide (this will ADD the Manila-VGA theme You can then choose and still leave the option to fall back to Phatphinger/Kangmas mod).

Don´t forget to overwrite WPRes.dll with the new file from Davej !!!!!

(might give You then an install-warning for the dll once You are inside WP and launch the bottom forecats bar the first time: press aknowledge)

Last You can choose the different wpl/wpx-files with the different layouts and png-files and overwrite in Manila-VGA\Themes -folder

Maybe in the future "My location" can be integrated, right now it´s not part of WP.

Please understand that right now Dunc´s and Davej´s WP are still a "work in progress" so that installation and modding procedures by the "end-user" (You and me) are spread all over the entire thread.

In some weeks (or months) they will conclude on a final version (maybe with some graphical moddings by me) and then we will have to ask Dunc to update his first post with the detailled installation procedure for the "final version" together with all cabs, zips and screenshots of graphical moddings to choose from. Maybe Jaguaralani can be "convinced" to alter his sun/moon Sense-themes for WP to give some "raging sun"-feeling to the "younger" ones using WP (he is now working hard on his new metallic-sense-theme).

Be patient, try it, take Your time to work through this thread, it´s worth it. Dunc´s/Davej´s WP is really the best, most precise and completest weather app for HD2 existing and replaces even high-priced hobby-local weather-stations :D:D:D:D:D
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Dunc001:
Angelo,

What would you be looking for on the summary page? To my mind it doesn't show anything that isn't already on page one (there is a five day forecast there so you are only gaining an extra day). Would we be better unsing the 10-day summary layout from PhatPhinger and integrating the 6-day moon phase element into that? Or should we try and have a summary page showing a couple of forecast charts (daily temp & daily rain) plus the moon phases?

I started looking at the layouts of the two themes last night and what I think I am aiming for is one main page combining all of the info on pages one and two of the Rumball theme, a better summary page, daily forecast pages from Rumball but with the moon info added in below the combined temp/rain chart and Phat buttons at the bottom to access the various radar/chart screens, and graph and radar screen layouts from Rumball but with the Phat buttons. I'm also looking at putting a close/home button on each of the pop-ups like in Phat (but not as an animated icon!) to return you to the main page without having to use your hardware keys. Probably going to place this in sam place on each screen so it is always easy to find (top right or bottom right?)

In my opinion with these pages we will not need the current conditions page that pops up when clicking top left of the home screen (as this info will be on the home screen already). So what I am proposing is basically a more streamlined theme with a few less pages, more intuitive movement between pages and better use of screen space, Phat buttons and modified Rumball layouts. I think I'll use the Rumball style arrows to save screen space over the Phat ones too, and I'm going to do away with the 'last update' sections on the popup pages as I think you only really need an update button and info on the home screen.

Any other suggestions or wishes please let me know and I'll see what I can do.

On the My Location thing I haven't had any offers yet. I did PM someone who had made use of My Location for something else (using a Mortscript process) but I think is is going to be too big a task and haven't had any reply back so I wouldn't hold your breath on this. If it could be made to work then you'd just have to use settings in general data services to block any connections while roaming as again I don't think anyone will be willing to rewrite the WP settings data to include a setting specifically in WP (all wishful thinking anyway :rolleyes:)

All this may take me a week or so to figure out but keep posting your suggestions as I definitely don't have the monopoly on good ideas here!

Cheers,

Dunc
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] davej:
mmmm...same for me.

Source is:

http://www.weather.com (EXAMPLE) /weather/today/ASXX0112). It is also a way to derive more obscure place identifiers by using the search and deriving the /***** code from the result! ;)

Stop Stop you're doing my head in!! :D :D

Might need a screen shot or a drawing to get the idea!

I am going to look into that, when time allows. Work is busting my nuts at present! Don't people realize I have more important things to worry about!!... Like making my phone look good :mad: :mad:

Actually, When I travel I set it to my new location...checking the site for the weather address of my destination (from weather.com) and loading it in...I also know what I'm missing back home. Its so bloody quick the roaming costs are small.

Caio

Davej
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Dunc001:
Hehehe, made me giggle :D
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] PMoto:
Ok guys... too many things are going on.... .... .... i'll just stay and relax.

Something really good will come up soon :D.

I wonder if there is any way to get the "My Location" info from Manila Sense files, or registry? :rolleyes:

PMoto
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] troed:
Hi Dunc !

Hi Davej !

Since You wrote this it´s clear to me now: THAT´s IT for summary page ! AND changing the font !

Honestly, when I compare the Phat-buttons to the 54x54 buttons (Davej´s mod) layout on right side upper half, Davej´s position is less obtrusive and doesn´t eat up too much space on the screen and are still very good clickable on the HD2 screen.

A general home button in every screen is a very good idea (we have to think of the (end)users that are even less deep in the matter than me :D:D:D). Now I dunno if the button-row should be placed then uniform at the bottom to match the general apps-interfaces of HD2-Sense, although once again for the enduser it would make sense. In any case they should be 54x54 or maximum 60x60.

What I will try experimentally is to expand the screen from height 340 to 360 and 380 to cover the base-line with "phone" and "contacts" showing from 2nd today which actually is not needed to show (to make a phone-call I always use the hard button). This might give us another 40 pixels of space on the screen to fully integrate page1 and page2 to a single page with command buttons 60x60 in the base-line. (see attached pic. It is an old one from 1 week ago when I struggled with the icon-position, it´s just to make clear what I propose)

Yeah, same for me ;);):D:D, it starts to get an addiction but helps me to dig deeper into how WinMo-apps work though not deep enough :rolleyes::D
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Dunc001:
Which option for the summary page - 10 day plus moon phase or charts and moon phase?

Also of we are going for smaller buttons uniformly across the bottom of the screen, common on all screens we should be able to fit six across the way including a close/home button. If we do away with the softkey bar by making the WP window cover it this should be fine, then you just need to use hardkey back to exit out of WP/Second Today. I agree, I don't use the softkeys anyway.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] davej:
To PMoto and any one else keen to get pretty

Guys

Check out this site:

http://pixel.dnsalias.net/weatherpanel/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

:D :D Everything you need to know about layout files and structure :D :D

* Nice idea the front page T-Man!!

* I like the idea of one or two page with a quick link....that's why I did the last Page 1 with 2 options. Take it and run brother....or in your case fly. BTW is Vienna really that cold!! F*CK!! Its 12C here and its winter!!

Best thing about WP screen shots is laughing at the POMS and their ****ty weather (in-laws are in London)!!!! Yeah Dunc!!...Ashes are coming home!! :p :p Guess you don't need to many "sun" images :D

Ciao

Dave :cool:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] troed:
Hi Dunc !

YESSSIR ! :D .......... and 10-day forecast with days-count HORIZONTALLY instead of vertical rows (well, for me that would be better, dunno for the others ?) and font in Helvetica thin, BOLD, 225-225-225 (?)

Hi Davej !

Tx for the link, Bookmarked it. But honestly: there is NO SINGLE theme that can compare in quality with Yours or Dunc´s.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] davej:
Dump and gather is underway

I agree with Dunc...cycle to current city on the first page and then through the pages at the current location. I removed it completely from mine to save space...also I don't get out much ;) so only need Sydney mostly! This bloody place is so big the weather doesn't change that much!! Guess its always cold and raining where you are hey Dunc!! (didn't bite last time...keep trying, is our Aussi way!...sledging is a national sport!)

Meantime I have extracted all the HD2 weather graphics see attached...and now moving to get paws on a weatherservice.dll from a dumped ROM! More Later guys!

Davej:cool:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Dunc001:
Dave, you're getting all clever on us now and running the risk of actually looking like you know what you're talking about, unlike the rest of us who are just stumbling about in the dark and occasionally finding how to make something work the way we want it to! ;)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] troed:
Yes, sumthin like the 10-day Phat + Davej´s moon, that woulde be fine.

For the city cycle-arrows: it´s clear to me that for large parts of Australia they are not necessary (Oh Davej, YES it is cold now in Austria after we had some days with 35°C here, today e.g. again 31 °C, it´s a weather-roller-coaster since climate changes, the more important to have the WP-app :D:D:D)

Instead here e.g. in Austria we have constantly 2-3 different "climate zones" with huge weather/wind/rain differences since Austria is cut horizontally by the Alps. So I have programmed all capital cities of Austria, some Swiss and Northern Italian cities as well as Germany which I cycle through automatically when flying or doing a motorcycle tour.

So for the endusers there should be wpl/wpx-files WITH and WITHOUT the arrows. But since they don´t take too much space this shoulnd´t be a problem. Methinks, if the buttons are placed at the bottom it will take the space of only one button when the up.png is placed above the down.png on the right lower side

PS: for a test: can we agree button size 60x60 ?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] davej:
By accident!

Guys

Found this little gem while roaming the wilderness of the internet:

http://www.actualitemobile.com/forum/index.php?topic=1327.msg104422#msg104422

I really like the separate moons and the larger summary page...worth a thought?

I have extracted the graphics and pulled out the HTCWeatherservice.dll

Now if only I work out how this sucker hangs together...I may be a while! :o :o

Damn

Davej :cool:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Dunc001:
Dude, you've got way too much time on your hands! Just registered on site and downloaded (my French obviously isn't that bad after all!) so will see what it looks like - does look promising...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] troed:
Hi friends !

Got another basis to work on from the Swiss Pocket PC-Forum (once You dig into it You find a lot of treasures). It´s based on the Russian WVGA version from trapperzvhb with language converted. Theme is "Touch-HD-WVGA"

Download-link:

http://rs142l32.rapidshare.com/files/291326568/Weathertabinstall.rar

Unzip and in subsubfolder are all icons and wpl/wpx-files

I will start now to compare the wpl and wpx files with Davej´s latest edit to see what we can use for our project.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] davej:
Cool

French ...Huh! :confused: Well you are definitely a more cunning linguist than I!!

Could not read it to register!!! As Troed can attest my German is pretty ****e too!!

Sadly no time...just insomnia!!! :D

Ciao

Dave :cool:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Dunc001:
Hahaha, haven't heard that one for ages! Used to be our pub quiz team name of choice (before kids and messing about with phones took over our lives...)

There are some really nice things in the french theme. The moon page with the massive (and I mean massive!) icon is beautiful, as are all the icons which are by far the best I have seen anywhere.

Why do I get the feeling we are getting deeper and deeper into sleepless night territory... :rolleyes:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] troed:
Hi guys !

Experimented with the Manila-5dys.wpl. Tried to enlarge to Height 390 to cover bottom line with "phone" and "Contacts".

Doesn´t work. Only gives a scrollbar on the right, "phone" and "contacts" stay at the bottom line. Must have sumthin to do with 2nd today.

Any clue, Dunc ?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] davej:
Bottom line

Angelo

The bottom is part of Sense and cannot be covered. It is the softkeybar.png (or HDWall_sofkeybar.png) in /windows.

I think the max page size is limited by 72 pixels for the bottom bar and 52 pixels for the top (taskbar). 2nd Today will be constrained by the same limitations.

Ciao

Dave :cool:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Dunc001:
In Second Today settings (which you should find in the Second Today folder in your Start menu) I'm pretty sure there is an option to hide the softkeys which may then open up the space? My phone is recovering from a couple of ROM flashes at the moment (tried Elegancia MaxSense last night and just reflashed to Elegancia Ex-CHT this morning but still have everything to load back on and restore) so can't check mine until later.

I've downloaded the Touch HD WVGA stuff that Angelo found (33.5MB!) so am intrigued as to what it may contain...

I guess we're going to have to try and agree on what we're going to use from each theme, and then divvy up the work between the three of us to see if we can get it all done? Are you both up for it?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] troed:
I redesigned the first screen now based on Davej´s latest mod "Manila-VGA"

Installation:

make sure You have installed correctly Davej´s "Manila-VGA"-Theme (without animations ! You can leave this part aside):

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=707229&page=26

Check if WP is running fine with Manila-VGA.

Now unzip attached file and You will get the file Manila-5day.wpl

With this file now OVERWRITE the same file in:

Storage Card\Program Files (or whatever in different languages)\Marsware\WeatherPanel\Themes\Manila-VGA

SOFTRESET YOUR DEVICE !!!! (otherwise if WP was already opened once the changes won´t go into effect!)

Enjoy !

Changelog:

Added: current time, rain, humidity, wind, last update with date, menu buttons on the right side (no need to go to the second screen by tapping the big weather-symbol)

Enjoy !
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] PMoto:
I made it... so far! But...

Guys: Thank you very much...

I get this fase (see attached pic)

I must get a better wallpaper, but the screen show that the small icons are not fit the right space.

So, my question is "What's wrong"???

PMoto
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] troed:
Please Check Your Icon folder Marsware\WeatherPanel\Icons\Manila WP Icons

There should be a folder LARGE, Moon and SMALL, 0.png, Alert.png and some wpa files

Then please check if You chose the right Icon-set in WP-settings (settings should read:

THEME = Manila-VGA

LAYOUT = Manila-5day.wpl

ICON SET = Manila WP Icons )

and if You replaced the WPRes.dll in WP-root-folder

see: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=707229&page=27 post 263