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[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
I think there are aspects of the Apple Gyroscope that will be revolutionary. For starters it will now be used to assist in pin pointing your current location with much greater accuracy. In addition, because it is Apple there will be some functionalities of new games that will only be possible using pitch and yawl. I am not saying that it wasn't possible before, but because it is Apple and their market machine has plastered this feature all over everything, I believe there will now be games and apps created by third parties to take advantage of it. Where as before it was too low key for anyone to take seriously. In the end it is the consumer who will still benefit.

As for facetime. I live in France and first used video chat about two years ago. It's a great feature, but cost way too much to use day to day.

The Iphone 4G might actually be on to something. Take the telephone company out of the equation. Ok, I understand this limitation was created more out of necessity than anything else. But there are several great products that came about out of some limitation or another. And, wouldn't it be great to move towards eliminating phone companies once and for all? This might prove to be a reason service providers switch to a flat fee for world wide service. Who knows what benefits could come out of this beyond the free video chat.

There are boat loads of people that will benefit from the fact that this is free to use. Ok, you won't use it in it's current state for every phone call. But if you are a family that is separated by circumstances you will certainly find time to use it when ever possible; maybe even every day. And, with the number of hot spots exploding, it will be easier than the detractors would have us believe. Oh, and did I mention it will be free to use! In addition, there will be plenty of third party apps created to offer services for this feature that we haven't even considered yet.

And, let's not ignore the absolute fact that once this product is out, it will be the best built device in the market.

Plus, the image is suppose to be mind blowing. And, the pictures and HD video at 5.0 are suppose to be much superior to the 8 mega we currently have in our X10's. Hey that sounds good to me.

I will surely be following the device. I will give it a month or two just to see what the feedback is. And, if it is half as good as it looks right now I will buy one for me and my lady.

Don't get my feedback wrong. I am no fanboy. In fact I have never owned an apple anything! But, it sure does look like I will be buying this device,,, times 2!
[Droid Incredible General] sonypete:
Hi,

Having issues with your Step #12. You say to click the card in and out when the white HTC screen comes up and do it till the first disconnect sound. Then you go on to say keep clicking untill it connects. Then you says 10-15 seconds after the connect sounds keep clicking. Don't you mean to say keep clicking from white HTC screen till 10-15 seconds after the 2nd sound(the connect sound) So basically clicking for over 30seconds.

Please clarify as I'm thinking you meant differently thne what you typed. I too have a stock 2G sandisk card that came with my phone and so want to get this rooted without buying a PNY card hah.

- Pete
[Droid Incredible General] sShadowSs:
Basically once the white screen comes up, start clicking the card in and out until about 10, 15 seconds after the 2nd connect sound that windows give you. However, you MUST start pushing the card in and out before the 1st disconnect sound.
[Droid Incredible General] sonypete:
Okay cool. Fingers crossed I have been trying since yesterday and about to jump out the window hah.

- Pete
[Droid Incredible General] Tytanius:
Wow, I got it first time with this method! Thanks a lot! I am also using the stock 2gb card that came with the phone.
[Droid Incredible General] sonypete:
Thanks man. I got this to work twice in about 4 tries. 1st time it worked I accidently selected reboot option. So had to retry this method. My clicks were medium speed not very fast and not excessively slow in case that helps anyone. About 1 a second. :)

- Pete

(2G Sandisk Rooter hehe)
[Droid Incredible General] KingJ50:
Hey this method worked to get the error but I can not write to the SDCard, I get the following when I try to push something: failed to copy 'busybox' to 'sdcard/busybox: Permission Denied

It is the same with any file and I did Apply sdcard:update.zip

Please help!
[Droid Incredible General] dreamersipaq:
I think this will help

Once you get error, I believe that you need to run the "apply update.zip" once and let it fail. Then you can adb to the sdcard.

PS, this method never worked for me, no matter how much I tried.
[Droid Incredible General] NCX Designs:
Same here, i still can't get to adb shell . . . :(
[Droid Incredible General] Cameron_S:
I got into adb doing the click on the 3d try but it kept failing to push the payload and then I accidentally restarted the phone. AHHHH, just spent 30 minutes doing the same thing and couldn't get back in.
[Droid Incredible General] Carsten4207:
Awesome, I got it to work using your method.

First I tried the "10 min..." video, but it was unclear in some areas. I had to try a few times (10+) to get it to work. Problem for me was the speed at which I was putting in and out the SD Card. I did it at some odd pattern like In (4 sec), out (.5 Sec), in (4 sec), etc. Then all of a sudden it worked.

Got it rooted :).

Thanks again!
[Droid Incredible General] Cameron_S:
Finally got it. Thanks :D
[Droid Incredible General] Chemdawg:
Spent probably 6 hours messing with it. Not worth it anymore.
[Droid Incredible General] dmauro:
What does this mean:

I've connected the phone, it shows up when I type "adb devices", but I have no idea how to "use the modified inf file... to get the phone connected and drivers installed."
[Droid Incredible General] sShadowSs:
if your phone shows up then you may proceed further. Howerver if after quite a few tries you still can't root then you should try updating the driver with the modified inf file.

go to your device manager, you should see the very first item should be Android Phone. right click on the phone and choose update driver and point to the modified INF file.

if your pc tells you that it cannot find a better driver, just uninstall the phone from device manager (right click and choose uninstall), unplug the phone from the pc, wait about a minute and plug the phone back in - but use a different usb port just in case. Then when found new hardware manager comes up point it to the modified INF file.

Good luck.
[Droid Incredible General] veli69:
Doesnt work for me. annoying

*edit* Finally got it 7 seconds awesome
[Droid Incredible General] totmur:
I cannot get my inc to take the driver .inf file. I have edited it correctly, tried forcing the driver to it, and it keeps telling me that the driver is not valid for a 64-bit os. Tried doing it as a legacy device as well.

Win 7 ultimate 64-bit
[Droid Incredible General] almightyjoe:
dont see the plus sign

hit the plus sign in the right window for the repository well for some reason i dont see any plus sign in there to hit tell me what i might be doing wrong
[Droid Incredible General] jdmba:
Please Help If You Can

I am logged in; got the recovery; followed the instructions, and it didn't say unrevoked. so i did it again and

did a whole bunch of things

Finding update packge

opening update package

verifying update package

installing update

veridying curernt system

unpacking patches

removing unneeded files

patching system fioles

symlinks and permission s...

then I got

e:multiple firmware images

e: can't store zip image

installation aborted

Now I also cant get into ADB SHELL

when I type adb shell I get

- exec '/system/bin/sh' failed: No such file or directory (2) -

but no prompt

I will try to stay logged in and everything BUT PLEASE HELP. What do I do?
[Droid Incredible General] Xylite:
Thanks for these instructions, Op.

I was successful by exactly following your steps.

Edit to provide additional details -- I tried unsuccessfully upwards of 100 times following the instructions in the 10min video. A couple things that probably attributed to the success of this method for me:

1) Formatted 2GB card to FAT32 (4096) as recommended.

2) Uninstalled HTC Sync / HTC Driver Installer. I used the "SDK Setup" to download the USB drivers.

A tip if you're having trouble getting the USB drivers to download... I had to go to the "Settings" menu in the Android SDK and AVD Manager, and check the "Force https://... sources to be fetched using http://..." otherwise the Available Packages menu would fail to get the repository.xml.

I then applied the recommended changes to android_winusb.inf in C:\sdk\usb_driver\ and used this .inf as the Android Phone driver. It was possible to assign the driver after setting to "Debug" mode in the OS.

3) I started clicking the SD card as soon as the white screen would come up, instead of waiting for a few seconds after it appeared. I used a 2 seconds in, .5 seconds out, 2 seconds in, ... pattern.

4) After each failed attempt, instead of pulling the battery and holding volume- + pwr, I went with the ops method. This was to abort the "loop" tool on the PC, pull the battery, boot the phone normally to the OS, verify the phone was recognized by typing "adb devices" on the PC cmd prompt, commanding "adb reboot recovery" to reset the phone into recovery mode, starting "loop" as soon as the command prompt came back, and finally clicking the SD card as described above.
[Droid Incredible General] totmur:
I still cannot get my windows to take the drivers. keeps tellin me not valid for 64 bit.
[Droid Incredible General] sShadowSs:
Those drivers are not 64bit. I saw in the forums somewhere a link for 64bit drivers. do a goog search for those.
[Droid Incredible General] johnnyc418:
whenever i click my sd card all i get is a $ symbol in my command prompt. what am i doing wrong?
[Droid Incredible General] trock79:
I get this also

It's supposed to do that
[Droid Incredible General] byproxy:
nm first post. am having problem now though. i was successful up to the following point:

i enter: "ln -s /system/bin/su /system/xbin/su"

and the following message appears (message isn't in the video)

"ln: /system/xbin/su: Permission denied"

what should i do?
[Droid Incredible General] jumbotron:
HELP I'm stuck...

No error message yet, so I tried regular boot into OS, typed: adb devices in cmd prompt, which then says: List of devices attached, then blank line (nothing listed) and C:\sdk\tools>

How do I ensure that the phone is recognized?
[Droid Incredible General] turkishmonky:
I tried unsuccessfully for a half hour without reformatting my original card, to no luck.

After reformatting it, though, it worked first try.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MrDSL:
Before I get blasted on this I am not trying to compare which phone is better etc only that I have some concerns with the build quality of the EVO and the 30fps issue..

I don't really have any of the issues others have reported but that doesn't mean I wont down the line and I am stuck with the phone for 2 years.

My 30 days is up July 4 or so and even though I love the EVO I think is safe to say there are some legitimate concerns on build quality reading the forums with screen lift issues and other things.

I'm just curious what other EVO users are thinking. I'm starting to question HTC and some of the things they do.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mikevillarroel:
I've been calling Best Buy since Monday to replace mine, but they are sold out, my 30 days is up July 5 but the way i see it, i won't be able to replace it. I love my EVO, the only concern i have is with the screen thing.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] samrozzi:
you know you have a 1 year warranty on the device. and how warranty exchanges go on phones is if the sprint store (like one I work at) is an advanced exchange/service and repair store. we will exchange it out for you by ordering a device. if we have one to exchange we will. just all replacement devices after 30 days arent new from htc. they are rebuilt phones.

most people think rebuilt phones mean pre owned. how it works more and more often especially with new phones such as hero/pre/evo/ bb 8530 they are all new. They are built at a sprint warehouse with ALL completely brand new parts out of the bag. The only thing thats reused if anything at all is the radio antenna because thats the most expensive part.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TheBiles:
I'm keeping my EVO because I'm a Sprint customer. I've had zero problems with it, and I have an upgrade due in October, so if something amazing comes out next year then I can get one on the cheap.

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[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] samrozzi:
and as for me, im keeping my evo,

1. i work for sprint

2. i got it for free

3. best phone ive ever used. :)
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rutter9:
I'm keeping mine. I have a full coverage squaretrade warranty that I got for 2 years for $60. I'm not worried about any of these issues since I know they can be taken care of regardless, at any time.

Squaretrade warranties are killer - If they can't replace the phone at the time they pay you the full unsubsidized cost. I've used them plenty of times.. they even fixed my laundry washer I got covered w/ them!

EDIT: Also if you wanted to get squaretrade you have until a month from purchase. Since I am I preview customer I got 30% off. If you are new to them use code TWTYOFF and get 20% off.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eck0728:
I bought a warranty with Radioshack, it covers everything for 2 years and costs only 100$, only thing it doesn't cover is abuse or accidental, but thats why we buy insurance. No refurbs for me.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rutter9:
Squaretrade covers accidental. Store warranties are often bloated in cost.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mikevillarroel:
but do i need to but the sprint insurance for use that warranty?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sfox8:
I'll be keeping mine, I'm pretty sure. The new Droid X looks awesome but I'm sure the developer community will be able to solve all the software issues with the EVO (30fps and screen lag) and all it really requires is a firmware update from HTC if they decided to fix it first hand. I'm not having any major hardware issues and if I ever do, I have insurance with Sprint and I'll just get them to exchange it. By that time, there will be new batches that probably are much better quality.

Even with all the negative press and angry posts about this phone, I really still love it. It's the best phone I've ever used and honestly after using an iphone for quite a while, the iphone has got nothing on this thing. iPhone 4 seems good but the EVO and iPhone have trade-offs in the pros and cons. The EVO just suits me better.

I'm happy for Verizon customers though! The new Droids look awesome (the design looks way better too) and it really looks like VZ and Moto are going in with the Droid branding this time around, especially with the new Motoblur skin. I'll definitely be in a Verizon store playing with them at least.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BrianDigital:
here here I bought this off contract, so in Oct i have an upgrade.....but I think I might just stick to buying phones without contract. MIght help out when on month to month after my girl gets an phone that needs the 10 dollars charge I might be able to get a discount off my bill due im paying for unlimited data three times
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] residentgiant:
I'm on the fence. My contract with Verizon just ended, and I was gonna pick up an Evo today (BB, RS & Sprint stores around here have been sold out of them, but Sprint store is supposed to be getting a new shipment in today) but with all the issues I keep hearing about, it's really making me think twice. Obviously any new device is probably going to have issues but I don't know if it's worth jumping ship from VZW just yet.

The thing that's making me still seriously consider the Evo is all the awesome work being done by the developers on here ...
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] akarol:
Sprint costs almost half as much as Verizon for my needs.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] residentgiant:
Which plan are you on? Do you have to pay extra for roaming? I'm in NYC. My roommate has Sprint and says his phone is contantly hopping on Verizon's network... He was on the $70 everything plan but ended up paying almost twice that because of all the roaming.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Shadow591:
Roaming is free and you can also just use that Verizon Hack
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] samrozzi:
at mikevillarroel

no. all phones you buy come with a 1 year warranty. that just doesnt cover accidental, physical, liquid, theft loss etc...

mainly manufacturers defects.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Xenithflare:
This. Oftentimes, from my experience, a phone isn't "refurbished" because it's been defective or damaged in the past, but rather because someone changed their minds after it was activated, before leaving the store. :P I'm not sure how it works at Sprint Corp stores, but at Radioshack, if the phone's been on someone's account at all, even without being programmed, we have to send it back to get the ESN cleared, and because of that, it's considered refurbished. Ruins the value completely, all because someone couldn't make up their minds.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] oOflyeyesOo:
The squaretrade warranty that is 60 bucks, only has 199$ of coverage, which means that they wouldnt cover the whole cost, correct? you could have to get the 599$ plan.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mikevillarroel:
Thanks, i just call Best buy again and no luck, i will keep trying, in the mean time (wile writing this) i just got the Seidio Innocase Active Limited Edition i bought in Amazon.com, really nice by the way!!!
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] samrozzi:
yeah i got the active case aswell. LOVE IT.

and well the only time we dont send the phones back is when a customers buys the phone, its on their account and has never once been used. not even opened and we will clear the ESN. otherwise. we send them back. etc.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mikevillarroel:
If i can't use my 30 days of whatever, lets say i wait like 2 or 3 month and want to use the manufacturer warranty, do i contact Sprint or HTC directly?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mrsato:
2 things:

With Sprint you can upgrade after ONE year, not two like everyone else.

SquareTrade warranties rock, and are FAR cheaper than store warranties.

To answer the question... I'm keeping mine. Any issues I have with it will be fixed over time with updates, and I love the size. If something comes out in a year that I HAVE to have, I'll sell this one to pay for that one (see upgrade above). But it does everything I can image I'd want, so see no reason to change. I certainly won't be moving to another network. Tried them all, and for me, Sprint is the best.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bsanti:
Keeping mine. Got it at best buy. Got their warranty too. Covers everything. Abuse, normal wear and tear, etc. You can cancel it anytime too. I figure I will abuse this one, have its screen fall out or what ever, get it exchanged, then cancel the warranty. Lol. Probably do it by year end. The new Evos by then should be better manufactured.

It's an awesome device. Plus Sprint has the best plan at the cheapest price. Well when I factor in my employee discount. The 30 fps doesnt bug me. And I know a solution is in the future. Even if there weren't one, this is still an incredible device. I'm enjoying the hell out of it. Hahaha!
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] khov07:
Steering this thread back to the OP's intent...

The Droid phones are excellent devices, no doubt about it. The new Droid X was clearly designed to compete with the EVO, judging by it's size.

However, I will prefer to keep my own EVO, and recommend within my enterprise the EVO over the Droid X for the following reasons:

1. Sprint has cheaper plans than VZ

2. EVO is 4G

3. EVO has front-facing camera for video calls

4. Aesthetically, the Droid phones IMO leave something to be desired. They look like phones out of 80's or 90's futuristic sci-fi movies. The EVO is much prettier to look at.

Don't get me wrong, Droids are solid smartphones. The first time I played with a Droid, I was very impressed.

However, I'm going to stick with EVO's. If I happen to come across an EVO with a poor build quality, I'll send it right back for replacement, and my users won't have a clue as to what a 30 fps cap means.

EVO, FTW.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] notoriouspyro:
Wow that's why I wish my store was a full service. We're sales only and even a brand new unopened telesales phone that has never been activated has to be sent back. We aren't allowed to resell any devices. Sorry off topic.

Nope I'm keeping my evo. I had sprint long before I started working for them. I love their service. The one time I got mad and switched to verizon, I was with verizon all of 6 months and paid the ETF cuz they are too damned expensive.... I will never go back to verizon again no matter what phone they get. Plus, that phone is now too big... Y'all seen the comparative screen shots. Didn't think anything could dwarf the EVO, but then here comes Droid X.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] samrozzi:
mikevillarroel after the 30 days just goto the sprint store, but find a service and repair center because they may be able to fix it. the htc phones are incredible easy to take apart and fix. when my hero got dust under the screen, i (im a tech now) popped off back, few screws, new screen, took maybe 15 mins.

evo is the same way.

I guess you could technically goto htc, but going to sprint would be far better.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mrmomoman:
Personally I think you purchased the wrong phone due to your reception. Not because of the phone. If you had great reception and 4G coverage over 4Mbps would you consider keeping it?

People need to buy phones that works best for their needs and area. The DROID X is a nice phone with a FRONT FACING CAMERA from what I have seen. It don't like the hump end on it though seems kind of odd.

The EVO 4G is the largest that I would go and it seem just slightly larger. Perhaps once in hand it won't feel as big as it looks.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] samrozzi:
according to this, no mention of front camera

http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/15/exclusive-motorola-droid-x-preview/
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Badious:
I'll certainly be keeping mine. Havent had any issues so far, and I have an upgrade available in October if I start to hate it between now and then, but itd have to take quite a bit to do that.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rutter9:
See it helps to read what I wrote. I have a discount with them. Normally when you pay a price on something that's discounted it cost more then that prior. :rolleyes:
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] IceCreaMan:
i'm still debating on keeping mine or not, heck i have not even ported my number over from at&t since i did not know if i was keeping the phone. my only real gripe is no data & voice at the same time. after being on at&t and having that feature, its a bit tough to do without. and its not like you can enable 4g while on a call because that does not work even though there is a 4g signal available (wierd, must be a software restriction).

anyhow, there is no other phone i would prefer (maybe the HD2) but i can't get work email on it and there is no good HTC android phone on at&t or coming to at&t seems like.

the droid x is too big IMHO
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AdamLJ:
I won't lie, I'm thinking about it. Unfortunately it's even larger than the Evo.