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[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] rohan3:
I cannot seem to find the latest beta from yesterday?

I downloaded the one on the first post, but that didn't work, and I also re downloaded the one from the marketplace, but that doesn't seem to work either.

Am i missing something?

Also, just one thing with the free version from the marketplace, When it tells you that this is a trial version, and you must purchase the standard version, The beep it does there is VERY loud, not something you really want in the middle of the night! Apart from that, and the problem i had with sensitivity and repeat alarms earlier on (beta 0.5 and 0.6), THis program is very good, and keep up the excellent work mate!

Rohan!

Ok i feel like an Idiot! i read ahjbvd previous post saying it'll be up in a few hours, so went to sleep, woke up and assumed it was up without checking the filenames, so downloaded it and then went on here saying it wasn;t working! (before i checked to see if he actually put it up!!!)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Matjd:
Hi

I downloaded the v1.0 beta version of SleepSense tonight but when i run the program I get a trial message and then I click on OK and the program fails to start.

I have a HTC HD2 WM6.5

Any advise would me appreciated.

Regards Mathew
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] lazer9:
I have a simple question. Where oh where can I/we find the correct working version (as in not expired)? I started toying with this a couple weeks back. Did the update(s), ect... now I would like to actually put it to real life test and use when sleeping and *poof* can't find a version that will run w/o the -10 expired anywhere. :(

Thanks.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Wario21:
looks great, but it doesn't start at my omnia :/

it says ".Net Framework is not installed", but it is installed..
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] edved:
Been using it for roughly a month and have been having some difficulty with the app stopping prematurely despite keeping it up to date.

Again, today re-installed the latest and got the dreaded expiration message.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Merlin260880:
Problem with expired...

Hi @ all,

@ ajhvdb: I came sometimes to this page and always I read something from expired. So it would be nice, if you can modify your first post in a kind like:

>> SleepSense Version "XYZ" released on "DATE" will expire on "DATE".

So this always repeating questions will stop. Hopefully :-)

Cheers Merlin
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] SpiderTheSwede:
Feedback

I have a HTC HD mini.

Looking at the graph over the sleep pattern on the phone shows only 75% of it. Think it's due to the kind of odd resolution on the device.

If needed I'm offering to futher test it futher on the device once the next version is up.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] iainbp:
just installed and got the message. expired after 10 days but 1st time i have used this app.

this there a up to date version floating about ?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] link68759:
Author is clearly more concerned with getting his money when he starts selling it.

I don't understand why you don't just say this; I can see you've put a lot of effort into this, so ok, let the beta expire and collect your money. Silly to disguise this as insurance that everyone has the latest beta. It's not feasible to expect yourself to release an update every 10 days.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] p3ak.ch:
and the joke is:

still no new release :D

it seems that my rudeness didnt work.

fact is:

theres NO working sleepsense out there right now.

@ dev: please let someone else continue this project. thanks
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] ajhvdb:
What is the value under the key: HKLM\Software\\Microsoft\\.NETCompactFramework

My subkey value is: 3.5.9085.00
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] ajhvdb:
@Merlin,

Could you please resubmit your latest questions to this topic? Thanks

Q.

I had 2 Timers (first 10h and second 8h) saved. When I make a new quick timer with ->start SleepSense, press "Start", use time e.g. 19h

! The first timer change from 10h to 19h. Is this o.k.?

A.

Yes, If you use the start button, the nearest alarm will be used. I’m not sure how to make this more noticeable..

Q.

the window "add to existing chart" is not saved against missunderstanding.

'cos you make it into a new chart for the day. So if somebody has sleeped twice a day, he will have 2 charts from day not both sleeping cycle in one chart.

Would be better to change text.

A.

What text do you suggest?

Q.

Log: 2010-07-31 ~9-30-10h

had been one time wu (wake up), and face down=no.

WORKS >hear sound, turn around device 180° -> Snooze 10.min

PROB >hear sound again, turn around device 180° -> sound continues

>turn around device 180° ->sound continues and display shows part of main menu->only the first and the half second entry is showed

WORKS>turn around device 360° -> snooze

WORKS>turn around device 360° -> snooze

So there might be a problem, that you have to turn your device with 360° not with 180°.

A.

Yes, it should be 360.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] ajhvdb:
Could you send me the log file and the graph?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] ajhvdb:
Please follow the steps in the second post and send me the support email.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] ajhvdb:
Sorry for not updating the Beta version sooner.

Because most of the bugs are solved, I thought I had released the old version with an expiry of 17 days. My bad.

I'm in the middle of finalizing the code but wanted to implement/improove things before submitting it again to Marketplace and here. Of course there will be other ways to download it later on.

Thanks also for the tips and hints on the previous page. I don't like the negative remarks but will learn from it..
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Zakraket:
Perhaps it's not too complicated to have an online check for versions? That way a beta will only expire if there's a new version.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] protaganis:
I KNOW I'm going to get flamed for this, but I don't care...

This is not Ajhvdb's job, doing this is an extra that no one is getting paid for. And for all you who have been leaving negative remarks, if you don't like the circumstances, have a tall glass of SHUT UP!

I haven't yet had the opportunity to utilize the program and look forward to seeing these efforts (which, as mentioned before you have graciously CONTRIBUTED to us). If I have constructive ideas or information I will gladly give them. If not, please just accept my Thanks and also, if you do decide to sell this product, mark me down for one. It looks really great.

I'll hop off the soap box now.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] DrQuincy:
+1

Well said...
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] lazer9:
Thank you for your development on this. Frustrating that I finally found the 1.1 and downloaded via MarketPlace. Went to set it up last night but could tell I wasn't going to fall asleep for a bit so turned it back off and went to start it up again like 20 minutes later and now I get a message to the effect that I've used up my 1-time alarm/setting whatever per this version. Urrrrrgh!!!! :eek:

PLEASE make a less-limited version so I can at least get a chance to try this out and see how it works. Damnit! First I got nailed with the version(s) I tried to obtain being all out-dated, then I finally got "MarketPlace" installed and downloaded the damn thing only for it to give me a 1 time go which I didn't even know was limited and all and all for my attempts I got to go to bed w/o the use of the frackin program.

PS: Again to the developer, thank you for attempting to make this use-able and for your fine work I just wish I could properly evaluate it next time. :D
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Merlin260880:
Resubmit to our conversation

Hi ajhvdb,

below you find my last Answers and Questions for Future.

<A1>

Option 1: In the menu, where you change the time, you can display a small text below,that the first timer in the timer list will be used.

Option 2: Create a own Standard-Timer and call it something like "Fast-Timer" , you can display it in the alarm list too.

Then "Start" should be the same name like the "Fast Timer" e.g. both "Fast Timer"

So you save all user created settings and alarms from the user are not changed, but if they want to change the Fast timer they are able to change it.

I didn't try it, but but happenes when somebody has no alarm in the List?

<A2>

I think you mean the data (in the *.xml) will get the new data included.

Option 1: If possible --> Include both sleeping times in 1 chart. The user is able to zoom in and to see then more.

Option 2: Change text into something like

-> "Create new chart for this sleep YES/NO

(Info: Data will be saved in xml of the day, if exist)"

>YES> like now, creates a own new chart for the second sleep

>NO> creates no new chart, but data will be saved into xml. So if somebody change his mind later.

you can add a option in future to creates from the xml the charts.

<A3>

Crazy, at first time 180° works.

I would prefer 180°, 'cos 360° is to much and in my opinion turn around is 180° not 360°.

So if you change it, people with 360° can still make it that way, but SleepSense shouldn't snooze then twice :-)

<F1> Data will be saved on sd-card

It would be nice, when I install the SW on the sd-card, that all data will be stored there.

'cos my internal RAM is nearly full. Some data,xml and logs reaches 8MB.

<F2> Import/Export

It would be nice, to export and import data. So after a hardreset I havn't to change all settings.

<F3>

To prevent for the repeating questions about "expired" I would suggest to change the first first post in a kind like:

>> SleepSense Version "XYZ" released on "DATE" will expire on "DATE".

So this always repeating questions will stop. Hopefully.

And you will have more time for your project.

It is always a problem that people are to lazy for reading a bit, so repeating questions happens often. ajhvdb has in his first post at the end the information, that it will expire. I would prefer like <F3> so people will see it directly and hopefully these repeating questions will stop.

Everybody should think about the time ajhvdb invest into his programm,so he can do what he want with his program, it doesn't matter if it is a beta or not. A big compliment to ajhvdb for his nice work!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] noonereallycares:
I have seen no posts suggesting that the final version will be released as freeware.

When did this forum become soley for the purposes of stroking developers egos? The developer of this app has used the forum users as beta testers. As such, the feedback received has allowed them to improve the program and weed out bugs before releasing it to to a wider audience.

If you don't want the users' opinions, don't ask for them.

As mentioned previously, I am a big fan of the program. But the experience of having been locked out twice has put me off using it. If negative feedback, such of the calmly reasoned post I made, is enough to upset someone and make them reconsider their decision to develop an application, then I would be questioning their choice to take on the task.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] cenigma13:
Or perhaps, mention it clearly in the first post that the program will function only till specific date.

It will save the author from negative comments... when beta testers download the program and its not working on the first run..it is frustrating.

Please note that beta testers are providing "free" testing service to the author.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] ajhvdb:
Note:

I'm trying to get it out of the beta stage with 3 versions: Free, Standard and Pro.

I have to wait for MarketPlace support (slow..slow..slow) because things don't work as expected on Marketplace. It's like the chicken and egg thing. I have to have a good published Free/Trial version on MarketPlace before I can learn from it and modify the current source code and republish the Standard and Pro version.

As a developer you want things to work immediately but if it doesn't work as expected, I can understand the negative remarks too. It's hard to open up this topic the last days...but those positive remarks really help.

Q.

..PLEASE make a less-limited version so I can at least get a chance to try this...

A.

Yes, it's changed. The Free version will ask if you want to save the sleepsense data once. You can bypass this.

Q.

..Perhaps it's not too complicated to have an online check for versions..

A.

In the future I can send out a key to extend the beta date.

Q.

...but SleepSense shouldn't snooze then twice..

A.

Sorry, could you explain your steps again. This is hard to understand.

Q.

It would be nice, when I install the SW on the sd-card, that all data will be stored there.

A.

You can use a program "Advanced Configuration Tool" to change the location of My documents to the sd-card. But I have implemented in "Advanced Settings" a "My Documents" location setting (untested).

Q.

It would be nice, to export and import datA. So after a hardreset I havn't to change all settings.

A.

You can save \Application Data\SleepSense\Settings.xml before reinstalling, but in the Beta stage i'm still changing some settings and you need to use the new one.

Q.

..SleepSense Version "XYZ" released on "DATE" will expire on "DATE"...

A.

You will receive a message in SleepSense the first time you start it.

Q.

Please note that beta testers are providing "free" testing service to the author..

A.

That's correct. Without this forum SleepSense wouldn't exist.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] peepsnet:
The version on this website as well as the version from the marketplace to not function for more then one trial night on my HD2
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] lazer9:
Thanks ajhvdb for acknowledging my request. Looking forward to this unique and seemingly great software you are working on. Unfortunately I'm going to be upgrading the the Droid X - Android platform in the next several weeks but am still appreciative of your work on this and hope you can get it right for others.

Sorry for the negative comments on my end, I'm hoping you can take it as constructive criticism and not personal. Again, your efforts are much appreciated and we are just eager to roll with this ;)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Spiogent:
Hmmm... :rolleyes:

All his answers stands for the coming NEW release!

So be patient!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] ajhvdb:
Updated to version 1.20 Beta

- 3 versions are prepared: Free, Standard and Pro

- They will be published on MarketPlace

- Links to MarketPlace will not work until publishing is finished

- Free version on MarketPlace is ready but out of date until version 1.20 is out of Beta

- In Advanced Settings added MyDocumentsFolder to change the location of Charts
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] fazi78:
Thanks.

Any news about translating?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] rohan3:
Hello again.

Just a couple more bugs for you. My phone is Samsung Omnia i900.

1. When you start the alarm, and you choose a sleep timer, the 30 minute timer ADDS 30 minutes to the sleep time, it doesnt change it to 30 minutes. (the 5 15 20 minute ones change to the appropriate time)

2, When you use the directional pad to move, the time in the top box will jump around.

3. Sometimes selecting actions in the bottom menus (home, sleep, chart etc) will only get selected it i press the directional button on my phone, finger presses just close the menu. (maybe im not selecting it properly with my fat fingers!)

Thanks again for a great program!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] takertx:
FINALLY!!!

Glad to see the new beta out. A few questions though

- When will the time bomb go off on this one? Sure like to duck in for cover before it goes off :-P.

- Could you please elaborate a little on the definition of the free, standard and pro versions respectively?

- And last but not least, how much are they gonna go for?

Thanks
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] gizmol:
Hello

Finally I hope to have a chance to test it a bit, actually I had tryed it with sevral another versions for total number of three nights (not straight so hard to judge the way it wake up depending on g-sensor readings). Presently with beta 1.2 there still is on my touch pro bug in setings of alarm, last position which is Phase Time is hiding back under the bottom screen edge after scrolling, so it's not accesable, I can see it until finger is holding scrolled position, but when relesed it will hide back under sceen line.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] ajhvdb:
Could you send me screenshots of this. If you have a smaller resolution then 480x800 then this is the best I could for now until I have a better UI library.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] ajhvdb:
Q.

Any news about translating

A.

Yes, in version 1.20 all possible text changes are done. Some users have send me a translated file earlier but I'm sorry to say I can't use that file because a lot of text has changed.

Volunteers who spend time translating will receive a "Pro" license for there help.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] ajhvdb:
Q.

How to translate?

A.

1.

Open a SleepSense log file from the ..\My Documents\SleepSense\LogFiles and search for line starting with:

"CurrentCulture:". In my dutch language the CurrentCulture is "nl-NL".

2.

In the ..\Program Files\SleepSense folder you can find the original "Language.xml". With "XML Notepad" you can edit it.

3.

Save it as "Language_nl-NL.xml"

Note:

Do NOT translate parts of text between {}.

4.

Reply to this topic and add the file "Language_nl-NL.xml" as an attachment. This way others can download it.

5.

I will add it to the first topic.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] ajhvdb:
Q.

How to install a translation?

A.

Look in the first topic and select your translation file. For my dutch language there is a file "Language_nl-NL.xml".

Download and copy this file to ..\Program Files\SleepSense folder

That's it.

Note:

If you copy the file "Language_nl-NL.xml" as "Language.xml" you can have a dutch translation on a English Windows Mobile.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] ajhvdb:
Q.

When you start the alarm, and you choose a sleep timer, the 30 minute timer ADDS 30 minutes to the sleep time, it doesnt change it to 30 minutes. (the 5 15 20 minute ones change to the appropriate time)

A.

This is a feature :) There is logic in it. This way you can setup a Sleeptimer of 3 hours.

Q.

When you use the directional pad to move, the time in the top box will jump around.

A.

Again it's a feature :) This way you can see if the Accelorometer is ON.

Q.

When will the time bomb go off on this one? Sure like to duck in for cover before it goes off :-P.

A.

After installation you will see a message with the date.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] ajhvdb:
Q.

Could you please elaborate a little on the definition of the free, standard and pro versions respectively.

A.

Below are my intentions.

Description Device Catalog=

//SleepSense detects your movements during the night by using your phone's accelerometer. It keeps track of all the different phases of your sleep and attempts to wake you during a light sleep phase.

Description Web Catalog=

//SleepSense uses an adjustable time window (e.g. 30 minutes) before the set alarm time and wake you at the optimal moment. You will feel rested and ready to start the day.

ProductName=SleepSense-Free

Functions=

//Alarm or Wakeup with your Accelerometer

//+Snooze Alarm by turning around device

//Note: Use this version to try it out once and if you like it

//buy the Standard or Pro version. Alarm function will always work.

Price is free!

ProductName=SleepSense-Standard

Functions=

//Alarm or Wakeup with your Accelerometer

//+View all your Sleepcycles with multiple Charts

//+Snooze Alarm by turning around device

//+Pro version has more options like multiple Alarms

Price is around 2 euro

This has at least the same functionality as the iPhone competitors

ProductName=SleepSense-Pro

Functions=

//Alarm or Wakeup with your Accelerometer

//+View all your Sleepcycles with different Charts

//+Snooze Alarm +SleepTimer +Multiple Alarms

//+Windows Alarm +Repeat Alarm +Adjust Wakeup window

Price is around 4 euro

This has at least the same functionality as other WM competitors
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] takertx:
Nice feature set and a better definition.

- Will the market place be the only place to purchase the application or will you set up a let’s say website for purchases, you know for people who cannot access the market place one way or another

- Also what will the purchase entitle us to? I mean with some purchases you get the indefinite free updates on the upcoming versions and some others charge you for an upgrade, which one yours will be.

Thanks
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] ajhvdb:
Q.

Will the market place be the only place to purchase the application or will you set up a let’s say website for purchases, you know for people who cannot access the market place one way or another

A.

No, you can order by paypal donation. After this you send an email with your Device owner name and Paypal payment ID. I will reply with a LicenseNo.

For my day job I develop in Dynamics NAV aka Navision. We are developing a webshop with NopCommerce in combination with Navision and will use this to sell SleepSense too as a demonstration site. But this will take sometime.

Q.

Also what will the purchase entitle us to? I mean with some purchases you get the indefinite free updates on the upcoming versions and with some other charge you for an upgrade, which one yours will be.

A.

I think most of the updates will be for version 1.xx and they are included. I don't think MarketPlace has an option to use updates or newer versions.

Q.

Will there be others versions.

A.

Yes, I will create an Android and iPhone version. The Windows Phone 7 version is for 65% finished. I'm waiting for a WP7 device.

I have saved all the tips and hints in this topic and will developed some as a separate option or include them later on.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] iainbp:
brill app. glad there is a new version for me to try . will try to night .
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] lazer9:
Thank you! Great to see the plan to carry over to the Android as my Droid X is due in the next few weeks! Going to test the latest winmo version out tonight finally on my Omnia i910. Great work ;)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] SpiderTheSwede:
Translation - SleepSense - Swedish

Hi

Here is a translated file for Swedish.

Feel free to use.

I tried it on my HTC phone and it works.

//Regards Henke
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Spiogent:
Hello again,

thanx for the new Beta.

I only want to give you a quick error-message.

I am unable to enter the advanced setttings. If i try it, there comes every times only the following Reply: "Please start SleepSense from the StartMenu first".
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] sjalan:
Marketplace

Hello,

This program is awesome and I use is frequently. You have mentioned that you will put it on marketplace. I don't mind paying for the pro version but couldn't find it on marketplace. Could you please post a link on this site for the marketplace page where I can find it.

thanks,

Sid
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] calopezsan:
Translation - SleepSense - Spanish

Hi

Here is a translated file for Spanish.

Saludos!.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] ezzie:
What is the email address and name to use for paypal donations? I want to make sure I get this right!

ezzie
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] t00ms:
Great work !

Price is very cheap compared to the quality of the app, congratulations !
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] t00ms:
French translation

Translated in french !

Verified, everything fits on screen, accents and special caracters work.

With love from France.