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[Desire General] jamesclr:
Maybe htc support talk about nexus one!!! No "desire" in answer
[Desire General] speedking34:
http://phandroid.com/2010/06/25/spr...finalized-headed-your-way-in-the-near-future/

If the Evo is getting it, chances are so is the Desire. Hang tight people.
[Desire General] th3:
http://i.engadget.com/2010/06/25/android-2-2-coming-to-droid-in-late-july-droid-x-in-late-aug/

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[Desire General] Flaggie:
I'm sorry but how are motorola and htc connected?
[Desire General] chnrxn:
Yes! My sentiments exactly! The same 1 or 2 sources are being transcribed/repeated on so many websites ... it's getting annoying.
[Desire General] Judge584:
Now this is official: update will be between 1st July and 30 September.

http://recombu.com/news/nexus-one-to-get-android-22-over-the-air-update-this-week_M11938.html
[Desire General] Nit3m4re:
Which means '30th September but lets get people excited thinking its coming soon' in HTC's language.
[Desire General] tommo123:
when is the desire being released in the US? that will probably come with 2.2, will give us a clearer idea
[Desire General] DaddyCee:
didnt think the Desire handset was getting released outside Europe tbh.
[Desire General] tommo123:
http://free-pc-guides.com/news/cell...ire-us-release-date-set-for-august-2010-02337

aug apparently. maybe late july for us?
[Desire General] darkpain:
Unfortunately i will dissapoint a lot of people.After i sent a mail to htc the reply said that their trying to give us the best sense experience and all the updates are coming in second half of this year but they cant say specific when .....
[Desire General] Judge584:
You're right:

Desire is for Europe only

EVO 4G is for America only
[Desire General] GrenW:
Standard htc reply. Cut and paste job.

To be honest it's very rare the support people know what's going on any more than we do.
[Desire General] Somel:
In fact it will be released in some small comapnys in the states ;)
[Desire General] lennshow66:
August in the US :)

http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/16/htc-desire-in-the-us-pipeline-for-select-regional-operators-th/
[Desire General] th3:
Evo 4G and Droid X are the top models of both the top Android offering, competing, device manufacturers. Both their top offerings have only just launched this last month, without Froyo, which would not happen if they knew a timeframe for Froyo release to be soon nor if it was 1-4 weeks close to ready for them internally. They both want to steal marketshare from one another, and bang flash news items of major updates with enhanced features coming to their latest and greatest product - like Froyo - is an imperative way to gain attention, public awareness and possible marketshare. So, one releases PR about their top device getting Froyo soon, another with a directly competing product feels greatly pressured and follows immediately. Don't place much stock in this... it's marketing.

In tech, since decades now... when a firm does not have a product ready nor is sure exactly when it would be ready, or, when they are having major problems, they give broad timelines. They start off with the year, then narrow down to the half as more progress is made. Then follows the quarter only when most is ticking fine. If they don't specify with higher granularity than the quarter, it means either they don't want to lose sales on other products, they're trying to hide it from a competitor to gain an advantage, it's towards the latter half of that quarter, they're waiting on a competitors move before giving more details, they're buying time for more delays, or, they just don't yet know exactly. It could be anything.

As I mentioned back in May, my prediction is for after the 10th August timeframe... just before the back-to-school season kicks in. I would be impressed if it arrives before that.

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[Desire General] lazyeejay:
Heres an article explaining why HTC updates are delayed in general

'To further explain why the roll-out of the Android 2.2 operating system, codenamed Froyo, is yet to reach the company's Desire, Legend and Wildfire handsets, Eric Lin, HTC's global PR and online community manager spoke exclusively to Pocket-lint at the Qualcomm Uplinq convention in San Diego, USA - where he also hinted that Gingerbread may not arrive until 2011.

"It takes time to port all of our applications over to Froyo and then make sure that it is running well on each of our devices," said Lin. "That’s not like a one week kind of project. We need to make sure that our applications are taking advantage of the Froyo features. To make sure that they’re all running properly on the OS now that it’s a new version. And then to make sure that it's running on our hardware as well as we expect".

Indeed, he suggests that the updates are going quicker than could be expected: "I don’t think you’re going to see that really long six month, seven month lag, like you saw in the updates from 1.5 to 2.1, simply because it’s a less severe change.

"Switching from 2.1 to 2.2, they made a lot of tweaks, but they didn’t make any gigantic changes, so it should be a much swifter process".

But could it all be in vain, with Gingerbread expected before the end of the year?

"I don’t think so. I don’t know what Gingerbread involves, but I would believe that we would be done with our Froyo updates before Christmas. And since Google hasn’t made any announcements as to when Gingerbread is going to come out, I’m not going to make that guess, it could be Q1 of next year".

Interesting
[Desire General] panos123:
You reckon?

Thanks for the info but meh. Sure they have to make sure everything will be well implemented hence the delay. Then we'll all yearn for gb in 2011. Simples.
[Desire General] Freddan80:
HTC says to expect Android 2.2 updates by Christmas

HTC really suck at coding. It seems they didn't learn anything from the Hero debacle and rewrote their framework and applications for easier porting to new Android bases.

It's going to be a long wait for Sense with Froyo. I'm really starting to bum out on HTC and they have grown alot since they started with Android but it can go the other way to, HTC needs to get a grip.
[Desire General] tuatha:
If you read that quote, you'll see it's the exact same interview posted at the bottom of the previous page, but with a lot of important information left out.

He actually said that they would be finished with all the Sense updates before Christmas (including the older phones) and went on to say that the actual ports were coming along quickly, and that there will not be any more 6 or 7 month delays.

The leaked Desire FroYo rom in the dev forum looks pretty good. Took two devs just a couple of days to iron out most of the bugs and get the apps working.

We're not going to be waiting until Christmas. Judging by the test rom, it'll probably be another month or so. No doubt there will be more leaks in the meantime...
[Desire General] SousukeUK:
Not Yet?

Still haven't been 2 weeks yet? :confused:
[Desire General] jimlad:
oh come on... it was never ever! going to be ready this quick. HTC stated user experience is paramount expect them to release it when they are happy there are no bugs and its running smooth, not before.
[Desire General] psycho.ro:
if you are into gaming use the valve release time :)

http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Valve_Time
[Desire General] supasye:
The original has a few too many spelling mistakes
[Desire General] Aitese:
Which idiot dragged this silly post back up?
[Desire General] kinkade:
i concur, this leak has already been proved nonsense
[Desire General] SousukeUK:
I'm the idiot! Sorry

Aitese mate it will be me the idiot.

Bcoz I did follow this thread for quiet some time (well for 2 weeks) to see it a wasted time as you said on you original post in this thread.

Then last night I saw another thread again with 2 weeks time frame this time August.

so I couldn't resist pointing to this thread to teach people not to believe the rumor from some single source which is not even HTC itself.

I know you might not be very happy with this thread as you took quiet a bit a of flake for pointing the facts.

My apologies in advance.
[Desire General] DesirableHTC:
hope so mate
[Desire General] GANJDROID:
Yeah, it's been over a month since that was posted...

This is typical from HTC Customer Support. Useless.
[Desire General] jimlad:
^^look up?! ^^
[Desire General] EddyOS:
On a lighter note, I see the Hero has now got 2.1 officially :D
[Desire General] Geeba:
Am I correct in thinking that my unlocked Orange branded Desire wont get this upgrade? :confused:
[Desire General] jonnobright:
Ok, I was thinking of it anyway as if it's bull then it doesn't fix my embedded flash problem and I still need support :D
[Desire General] rovex:
Even over the internet we are talking many terabytes of traffic, even the best servers will have issues with that which is why its staggered.
[Desire General] Joshhudsy:
Woop :D

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[Desire General] Balos:
Can this really be released over the AIR? Was sure you need a hard flash from your computer.
[Desire General] tuatha:
What he means is that once somebody at XDA has it they can upload it here for the rest of us so we can flash it manually.
[Desire General] Jagdish84:
Well, came across this article:

http://androidandme.com/2010/06/pho...-equipped-nexus-one-launching-on-kt-in-korea/

N1 in korea gets out of the box 2.2 on the 21st, i want to believe that means other N1 handsets in europe n usa will get it OTA and maybe HTC will pick up on that the trend...
[Desire General] XDA mark:
I am not surprised. Very happy though! Let's hope it doesn't get delayed.

Just a few days ago I was watching all the reply's from people that didn't have any faith in HTC. I told them: what will all you guys say if you have froyo on your device in a week or two? :) I am seeing those people reply very angry in this thread haha.

Understand that this is a total different situation then the Hero. First of all the Hero was much weaker in terms of hardware, it still doesn't have live wallpapers from what I know. So it probably was harder to bring Eclair to the device.

Bringing the Desire from 2.1 to 2.2 should be much easier. And there is much more pressure on HTC to bring froyo fast. From Google itself, from the competition (If Samsung/motorola etc offer froyo devices earlier, HTC could lose potential sales) and from us. We need Apps2SD. And from what I remember we were promised an update to FULL FLASH in a month or two from launch.

We will see.
[Desire General] foxmeister:
Try to refrain from using terms like "delayed" - it implies that HTC have an initial time frame in mind! ;) At present this is just a rumour, and should be treated as such. If the Hero situation is anything to go by, all this does is encourage posts about "broken promises" that were actually never made.

No it wasn't. The Legend is very similar in hardware terms to the Hero, and yet the Hero has had to wait. Sense/Eclair for Hero was completed a long time ago, and the reasons for not releasing it are almost certainly not technical.

Here we agree at least! If Motorola has a Froyo handset out soon, the pressure is very much on HTC to catch up. Unlike the Hero saga, it doesn't look like HTC have a new handset waiting in the wings (Desire and Legend) to fill the gap, so they do need to react swiftly.

Regards,

Dave
[Desire General] trick202:
Groundhog day.

Flash is nothing to me, but I'd like a: the speed increase b: to see HTC update a device in a timely manner.

I'm thinking more like Christmas though. If I was signing the cheques over at Marketing dept carphone warehouse, I be apoplectic with rage if they (HTC) mess this up again. They've put a lot into awareness of Android - I hope they are successful with it.
[Desire General] jannen:
Im sure its pretty straightforward: Froyo released -> HTC do their bit -> T-mobile & others do their tweaks = its released. No delays, no need to hurry, no broken promises. All good has to be waited.
[Desire General] jonnobright:
(from HTC)

Hi Jon, Yes, the official announcement for Android 2.2 on the HTC Desire is within the next 2 weeks. I hope this resolves all your issues. Kind regards xxxxxxxxx

To send a reply to this message or let me know I have successfully answered your question log in to our ContactUs site using your email address and your ticket number

Edit: those aren't kisses..just blanking his name :)
[Desire General] .:george:.:
I've just received email by HTC containing answer on my question about installing applications to SD card, because I was experiencing lack of free space in phone. As expected, they informed me that this feature will be able in HTC's upcomming 2.2 Froyo upgrade.

This is a part of the answer:

...We expect to release all upgrades in second half of this year but cannot be more specific yet. We will announce the full list of phones and dates once we are closer to launching the upgrades...

Especially second sentence makes me think we won't see an upgrade within a week or so, either 23rd of June.
[Desire General] brianius:
Dear customer,

flash will be available in the upcoming froyo update, which includes full flash support, app2sd, better performance and a lifetime membership for cumswappers.com.

I hope this will help you waiting for gingerbread in end of 2012.

With kind regards xxxxxxx xxxxxxxx HTC Support Europe.

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[Desire General] Nekromantik:
people are saying different things so as before I aint gonna hold my breathe untiull N1 get its official update. After that then we could see froyo on Desire.
[Desire General] wongja:
I am very happy with my desire now, of coz a quick froyo won't be bad, but I wouldn't surprise if it will be a long wait.

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[Desire General] Aitese:
"Best regards, xxxxxxxxxxxxx HTC Technical Support"

This is an HTC employee. He sent you this email I assume using his official HTC account. He did it during his working hours, not his down time. This was an official email, not some secret whistle-blowers leak.

Why then have you decided to obscure his name?
[Desire General] tuatha:
Good work. Hope it turns out to be true.
[Desire General] EddyOS:
Highlighting the word ANNOUNCEMENT, not release, of FroYo on the Desire...
[Desire General] tuatha:
To be fair, the first email specifically stated that it would be released OTA in that timeframe... would be a strange mistake to make if it was just an announcement.

I'm getting a little bit more optimistic now...
[Desire General] Nekromantik:
one person said it will be released in 2 weeks, another said there will be announcement.

now maybe its just me but that should strike u as odd and would make u doubt it.
[Desire General] Aitese:
And the OP decided to randomly protect the identity of some CS agent for some unknown reason (possibly because he didn't have time to make one up)
[Desire General] rars:
Ask them if it would include 720p recording
[Desire General] Nekromantik:
thats more probable then us seeing a update in 2 weeks :p
[Desire General] tuatha:
Same person on both occasions, most likely. If you've ever emailed HTC support, you'll know that once the ticket is open, you deal directly with that CS rep until the issue is closed.

Seriously? How long does it take to make up a name?!

The last time there was one of these threads, the OP had people telling him he should have concealed the rep's name. This guy conceals the name and that makes him a liar... :rolleyes:
[Desire General] rock3r:
just called italian htc tech support. don't ask the name of the girl i talked to because i didn't ask (but i had to give my data twice due a to problem she had creating my support profile or something like that)...

i didn't call to ask about froyo but because contacts and messages sometimes go crazy (linked contacts lose names preferences and text messages from vodafone appear like a facebook friend sent them), but since i was on the phone i thought it was good to ask about this story. the girl said that they're "working and making sure to release the update on the market as soon as possible" (quote) which means pretty much nothing, but they have no time plans ready at all for what i understood. so i guess op's just an attention seeker...

ps: no news at all about divx playback - and i forgot to ask about 720p video recording. so, after all, no news are bad news, i guess.

pps: i almost forgot to say, it's highly unlikely for an htc rep to answer a mail even within 24hrs (at least here in italy, and that's why i called them, it was 4 days i was waiting for an answer and i was tired)
[Desire General] Nekromantik:
thats proves that its unlikely even more, if the same rep first said update in 2 weeks and then changes it to announcement then something is up.
[Desire General] Aitese:
Why? Why would the rep, a person who says "hi you're speaking to X" over the phone and sends an email with their name on it need their identity hidden? Surely he's on official business and unless he lies or acts incompetently he's doing exactly what he's supposed to be doing.

That's a weak excuse and you know it.
[Desire General] tuatha:
I think you're reading a little bit too much in to that.

The wording in the first mail is far too specific to have been a mistake.

Coupled with the fact that HTC have repeatedly said that they will not make the announcement until close to the release date (to avoid another Hero situation), I don't think the distinction you're making even matters.
[Desire General] tuatha:
I know nothing of the sort. I would have obscured the name too. They're confidential emails. They explicitly state that.

My first reaction to the original 23rd of June post was that the guy should have obscured the name too.
[Desire General] Nekromantik:
maybe so or its just that your being a little too optimistic.

We all know the track record of HTC and updates and the fact HTC have said they need to make sure Sense dont affect the user experience so there had to be issues that needs fixing.
[Desire General] Aitese:
Oh please. He then goes on to reply to said email on the request of one of the comments above and gets a reply within a few minutes...stop it.
[Desire General] Nekromantik:
I think we should let this guy think what he wants. and then smile when nothing happens in 2 weeks. :)
[Desire General] tuatha:
Aitese, are you honestly asserting that he didn't include a name because he 'didn't have time to think of one'?

He had all the time in the world to make the first post and yet he didn't have time to think of a name? Any name?

There was an hour between me asking to him to write back and him posting a reply, and yet he didn't have time to think of a name?

You don't find that suggestion even faintly ridiculous?

If you read my posts elsewhere on this forum I've repeatedly voiced scepticism about this 23rd of June business, and I'll still only believe it when I hear it direct from HTC.

The guy may well be making it up, but certainly not on the basis of what you're saying.
[Desire General] ljesh:
The OP got reply back from HTC in 1 hour - 54 minutes to be highly precise (timing between his post "maybe i will do that" and "i did it and this is the confirmation").

Anyone else got reply from HTC in 1 hour?

Nobody?

Okay then, lets close this thread.
[Desire General] MasDroid:
Mods, please close this thread before the situation gets out of hand... oh, wait a sec, it already has :D
[Desire General] Aitese:
The thing is I would LOVE if it was true. But it's these silly posts looking for attention (which admittedly I have duly given...my bad) because like the original rumour and the subsequent two related posts about it, it stays the top of the post pile for weeks after gaining thousands of views, are getting too frequent. And then they are used as fodder by the likes of Engadget and Gizmodo, who ARE reading...trust me, to bash Android and create more iPhone hype (see their recent Sense UI security propoganda)

It's not helpful.
[Desire General] tuatha:
The first email you send usually takes up to 24 hours for a reply, but they're very quick to reply to open tickets after that, in my experience.

I got a reply in about 25 minutes the last time I had an open issue with them.
[Desire General] Aitese:
No, I'm saying if he HAD made one up he would have been found out...so he didn't. How hard is it to call HTC and say "Hi, I spoke to Kevin Smith earlier..." only to be told no such employee works there and bring down his little charade?
[Desire General] tuatha:
No you said he didn't have time to make one up, actually. You're now altering that version of events, because it was such an utterly silly thing to say.

In any case, this gentleman is innocent until proven guilty as far as I'm concerned.

I'd suggest that he post a screenshot of the ticket on the HTC website, but even if he did I have no doubt you'll just accuse him of doctoring it anyway.
[Desire General] herghost:
Cool :)
[Desire General] Laban:
Why would an HTC Emplyee drop this bomb in an e-mail? I'm pretty sure that his boss didn't say "It's okay, just let them know"... Writing something like this in an e-mail that can be traced internally is not that great for your career at HTC :)

I'm not saying that it won't show up June 23 but I doubt it.

Doesn't mapper that much to me, the phone is awesome as it is.
[Desire General] Aitese:
Wow...I heard there were people like you out there but wow. You don't know what an overly facetious or sarcastic tone would look like? I put "probably because he didn't have time to make one up" in brackets like a sarcastic throwaway comment. I have no idea what his motivations are, I can only allude to the fact he has chosen to obscure the reps name yet reveal the contents of the "super secret confidential" email anyway, which was your spurious excuse. If the email is confidential then you can t reveal ANY of it...not just the senders name. Get a clue.
[Desire General] veryjiggy:
Dude, why are you so sceptical of everything? Maybe the OP actually got that email, and it was the HTC employee who was too stupid to have written that? To tell you the truth, I had called up HTC support a week back when that stupid update came. That was because I had rejected the update and couldn't find it again as it had been pulled back. The girl who talked to me ALSO said that the 2.2 update should be out in a few weeks. (Now don't ask me whether it was 'few' that she used or what, but it clearly implied that it is round the corner). BUT i never mentioned it on any of the forums till now cos I knew ppl like you would come back questioning the truthfulness of that conversation. I myself am sure Froyo is not gng to be on the Desire for a few months atleast, but that is what the CS girl told me. Maybe she was ill-informed or whatever. I don't care. But that conversation actually took place. And yes, please don't ask me questions like what was her name etc.
[Desire General] tuatha:
Yes, you're right, you have absolutely no idea. And yet you've come flying into this thread screaming bloody murder and casting aspersions against the character and motives of the OP.

If he's wrong, he's wrong. If he's lying, he's lying. Time will tell.

But there is absolutely nothing in any of his posts which amounts to even the tiniest scrap of evidence that he's not telling the truth. End of story.
[Desire General] veryjiggy:
Totally agree!
[Desire General] tuatha:
Good!

How somebody can be so angry and suspicious over something so trivial, I have no idea.
[Desire General] Aitese:
I'm not angry...you two seem overly keen for it to be true, like any scepticism will make your dream die or something. We have to all take these claims with a pinch of salt lest we create the sort of buzz that Hero users kept creating with the same endless "I was told by..." posts that created date after date after date that HTC neither confirmed nor denied.