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[EVO 4G Accessories] potna:
i don't see how scratches aren't affecting quality of pictures being taken.

a side by side comparison would be sweet.

i had a tilt 2 before i had the evo and i noticed that my pics were getting crappier by the day. on the tilt 2 the battery cover had a plastic lens like thing that gets all scratched up that the real camera lens needs to see through. i read that the out "lens" could be removed and it wasnt really meant to do anything other then keep dust and what not away from the actual camera. once i popped it out my pix were as good as they were when the phone was new.

my point is, a) cant we just removed these little covers if it gets too scratched up?

also b) i cant see how scratches on this outer "lens" couldn't affect image

quality

oh btw i have a rubber case that i really don't like just to protect the outer "lens", it be nice to know that i am wasting my time so i can stop and try something else. also my outer lens seems like it has hundreds of small scratches on the outer "lens" and i bet i have only had this thing a month.

sometimes i feel that maybe i have rally good eyes and see things that others don't. i wonder if the folks that aren't seeing the scratches don't want to see them or have they never set their phone down or put ti in a pocket, i guess i just dont get it.
[EVO 4G Accessories] watzone69:
I use one of these.
[EVO 4G Accessories] magicriggs:
I used to have the whole nine yards on my evo. Case and screen cover. Now I'm running it naked, the way I figure it if anything on the phone breaks or scratches ill just order the part and replace it. And whenever I set it down I set it down with something underneath it, always! The phone looks beautiful naked, why would anyone want to cover it up. Hehe
[EVO 4G Accessories] ninjoe8:
This guy sells it for $22.

http://www.goodandevo.net/2010/09/htc-evo-rear-camera-lens-available-for-22.html
[EVO 4G Accessories] wickidninja:
i did something kind of easy. just need 2 things, some leftover screen protector scraps, and a hole punch. doesnt cover whole thing. just the lens itself works great :rolleyes:
[EVO 4G Accessories] MattySauce:
Running Naked

I've had cases and screen protectors and am going naked now. I just don't carry change or keys in my phone pocket and my screen and camera lens are still pristine after 2 months) I set it camera lens down on surfaces without any problems. What are you guys doing, sliding across concrete?
[EVO 4G Accessories] Skrypt:
I've been naked for 2-3 months now. Lens is fine. Even the little bit of metal that can make contact on a flat surface looks untouched.
[EVO 4G Accessories] excessive81:
i just had invisa shild on mine since they came out zero issues
[EVO 4G Accessories] xlGmanlx:
case matte makes a naked case that covers the back and sides and now they have a full frontal screen protector. i am going to order the screen protector, but there naked case feels in fact just like going naked, plus its only $20. benefits of going naked, but with some protection, i would highly recommend
[EVO 4G Accessories] notasimpleway:
I don't use a case or cover because my phone looks too awesome. And a case makes the phone bulky defeating the purpose of having a slim phone. Look at the Droid X. That thing is goofy looking with it being thick at the top. Like others have said, you can get replacement parts. I keep my phone in my front pocket with nothing else though. It has two hairline cracks on the power button and at the bottom. But I know lots of people have the power button problem. The other one is my fault because I put my casing on too tight after sanding my back to make it red. And besides with Sprint's new insurance it won't matter. I have an idea to protect the camera but I need to flush out details so I will post back in the morning with my findings. And other thing, small scratches shouldn't affect quality or anything. The camera should focus through them. Think about when you wear glasses, most of us have a scratch or two or maybe some dirt/dust on them and we see just fine and don't even notice it. I use this "trick" with my DSLR every day as a professional photographer when photographing sports. What I do is use a long lense to shoot through a fence and as long as my lens hood is touching the fence, you can't tell there is a fence in the image at all.

Sent from my iPhone with the bigger Gee Bees.
[EVO 4G Accessories] notasimpleway:
Looks better than the Droid X. I mean we could have that big, annoying bulge in our pockets too.

Sent from my iPhone with the bigger Gee Bees.
[EVO 4G Accessories] :
I have mines just like your Evo except for the fact that my lens cover is made or of clear scotch tape. I keep my phone on my pocket with nothing else and it mysteriously shattered. Be careful.

Sent while sitting on the toilet.
[EVO 4G Accessories] xlGmanlx:
Seriously, naked case is like going naked
[EVO 4G Accessories] dkdude36:
the evo has great build quality. the only thing that harms it is dropping on the inside (screen) corners. other than that, it is indestructable.
[EVO 4G Accessories] zzelinka:
I have had no problems. Had for 4 months now. No biggie, looks good still. Have the Stealth Guard shield on it too.

Not sent from a landline...
[EVO 4G Accessories] potna:
Well I took off the outer rim and the plastic lens cover and took some pics and I can tell you that there is a big difference in picture quality. The light is refracted differently and all the scratches makes everything a little fuzzy and in turn the color can be off a touch due to glare and extra fuzziness around light sources.

Pop it off and hold it up and try to look through it, then imagine how your pictures are gonna look shooting through it.

It's super easy to pop that metal ring off with your finger nail and the gently pry that plastic cover off.

I can't quite bring myself to carrying this phone around with no lens cover like I did with my touch pro 2.

I haven't got this one figured out yet
[EVO 4G Accessories] 4redstars:
bought one of these, it didn't fit, tried all suggestions, pm'ed the maker, no response...I love this idea just wish I didn't waste 15 dollars.
[EVO 4G Accessories] Skeptron:
i dont use any case at all and its fine! i bought some skin-it (google skin it) for htc evo instead :O
[EVO 4G Accessories] motenak:
If You Like To Be Naked...

I hate bulky cases and looked for a very thin case that would provide "some" protection. I ended up with a Casemate Barely There and love it. My sister picked up my phone to compare to her new Droid 2 (which has a bulky case on it) and she asked why I didn't use a protective case on my phone. When I showed her there was a case on it she immediately wanted one for her phone. Personally, I doubt anyone who doesn't use a case because it adds bulk to the phone would have a problem with this case. Take a look at it as it does provide protection for the camera and fits like a glove.
[EVO 4G Accessories] dragonmike:
When u buy a screen protector from any cheap place, trace the camera lens and cut the screen protector and place it on the camera lens, my phone has been naked for 7 months with no problems. Not one scratch..
[EVO 4G Accessories] John-Paul:
I have the Otterbox Defender, the Otterbox Commuter, the Innocase II Surface, the Innocase Rugged Extended. I bought the 3500mah battery, so now the only case I can use with it is the latter, which is very bulky.

I now just use a screen protector and nothing else besides the battery and bigger back it came with. So well over $100 spent and all I am using is the screen protector. Kinda sucks, but the phone looks so good naked, even with the bulging back.
[EVO 4G Accessories] :
I was using the Platinum Series case for my EVO when I initially got it. One time I took the phone out of my pocket and SURPRISE, my camera lens was cracked. Luckily I was still paying for insurance at the time, so they replaced the entire back of my phone, kickstand and all. After that incident I bought an Otterbox Defender and never have to worry again. Sometimes I do miss the sexy of my phone, however, and use it naked for a couple of days.
[EVO 4G Accessories] scottspa74:
And just in case anyone doesn't know, if your lens gets too scratched up, you can just take it to a sprint repair store and they can/will just quickly replace the whole red back panel (with metal ring and lens) for free.

I've done it before. In that case they were also replacing a screen they they had improperly installed/replaced a few days prior. Walked out with basically a new phone, but still HW002, still root. All still same, just clean new plastic and glass all the way around.

I'll check out what potna said about ring and lens coming off easily. That's basically what I did with my diamond. Just drilled a hole, same diameter as the lens, thru the the back plastic cover/battery door. Pictures were 1,000x better.
[EVO 4G Accessories] scottspa74:
@potna

Can you just put the metal ring back on sans plastic/glass lens? That'd be ideal.
[EVO 4G Accessories] madeagain:
I just use the black carbon fiber Chromatics from phantom skinz and I carry my evo in a cellet holster. I had tried rubber cases... innocase(too bulky for me) and barely there. I just prefer it naked with my skin. My camera is fine after a year but I almost always use my kickstand. When I put it face down it seems like the slightest piece of dust or anything leaves marks in my screen protector.
[EVO 4G General] kingrichards:
I been searching for the answer to this on Google and found dada? Anyone know what to do to be able to post comments in the YouTube app? I can't find anyway to do this in the app?
[EVO 4G General] steb0ne:
I don't think it's related to the Evo's app... I posted a video from my Pre and couldn't comment from the app or from the web site either
[EVO 4G General] mikevillarroel:
Disable the mobile view in your browser and stop using the appl, go directly to the web
[EVO 4G General] kingrichards:
I just tried that it didn't work? I'm surprise by not seeing a lot of questions for this? Lol
[HD2 General] nw86281:
When I'm at work, the signal where I am is almost non-existent on T-mobile(or any other network for that matter).

The company mobiles are on vodafone, and as such, we have vodafone boosters round the building.

If I had a vodafone radio on my HD2, would I get a better signal?

I know I'm on T-mobile, but just wondered if this would allow me a better signal?
[HD2 General] Kalavere:
The simple answer to that is no. The signal boost is dependant on the mobile network not the Radio in your device.
[General Topics] djteotancolis:
http://www.loweringthebarforus.org/news/entry/will_t-mobile_usa_disappear_in_2011

looks like tmobile is closing down? what do you think?
[General Topics] G Zero:
The last sentence in the article sums it up nicely "The brand name may disappear but the company operations and stakeholders will remain."

TMo just replaced their US CEO with new blood (lets let some of the Euro hardware in, m'kay?) like literally just a few weeks ago, and they're suggesting they're pretty aggressive with continuing the rollout of HSPA+ nationwide. The Voice Stream er Tmobile name may go away, but the entity it self isn't going anywhere.

...And although Sprint and Tmobile's target demographic does suggest a lot of overlap, in my belief, in the event of an end of days scenario for Tmo the most likely acquirer of tmo would be.... ATT! Tmo is shaped nicely to fit into the hole in ATT's portfolio. ATT is phasing out of iDevice exclusivity quite soon and would welcome the inflows of Android devices and their higher than normal profit margins. And for the shareholders, such an acquisition would give ATT significantly more Mobile exposure and offset some of the massive cash hemmoraging from their ailing Landline business. And finally, a huge majority of Tmo's Phones in the US were originally equipped with ATT compatible radios in their source countries where ATT already has a presence, then converted for the US - the whole thing just lines up quite well!
[General Topics] TabascoTX:
If ATT does pick up TMo,im deffinately leaving. Not sure who ill switch to tho,everyone else is more expensive and ATT doesnt have "unlimited data" anymore. Sprint's customer service sucks,and Verizon will charge you as much as they want cause they can.
[General Topics] krook6023:
+1 me too! I truly hope TMOUS stays…I like my service and the customer support is better than any other phone service I have had. :(
[General Topics] maxpower097:
I wouldn't worry to much about it. They claim their lack of 4G is whats gonna hold them back. But whats funny is untill last year every network but sprint said 4G was a joke and would never work. After seeing the first 4G phone appear on the market I'm inclined to think 4G is gonna be a failure for mobile. No one wants a phone with 2 hours of battery life in trade for double the speed. Besides didn't Tmo already say they plan to roll out 4G in 2012, and everyone else jumped on the bandwagon saying 2011. If I were tmo I would skip it and hold out. They already use 3.75G Also the OPs post looks like a propoganda blog, heres the latest real news site report on TMO

http://connectedplanetonline.com/3g4g/news/tmobile-expanding-4g-061610/

They are claiming their 3G with HSPA or whatever is actually faster then sprint 4G. LOL Having tried all the 3G networks around here I wouldn't disagree with this statement. All my coworkers have to hook up to my phone via wifi to get any HD video on their phones. For some reason Verizon, ATT, and Sprint don't support it through their data plans, yet all 4 can connect to my Tmo 3G and watch HD youtube all night. We all though this would of made a great Tmo, Verizon, ATT map commercial.
[General Topics] heygrl:
Sounds like a lot of baseless speculation, just like a Sprint/Nextel merger. Teaming up with Virgin Mobile? Really

T-Mobile won't be acquired by AT&T, don't worry about it. If AT&T could kill some competition and become #1 they would've purchased T-Mobile

T-Mobile is still making millions, unlike Sprint.
[General Topics] maxpower097:
Actaully sprints not in too bad of shape. They have many loans out but all are paid up and they have live 200 million in the bank for a rainy day. They took out billions to roll out 4G and now they basically own it and are years ahead of everyone else in 4G. I've actaully noticed many more sprint phones the past 6 months too. That Dan guy must be doing something right. LOL

BTW I'm getting

2.74 down

0.74 up

211 ping

Boy they aren't kidding, the HSPA doubled your 3G speed. Hopefully we will get it in a couple months.

Sprint 4G is usually pulling 4-5 down ? up.
[General Topics] revelae:
That's weird, they opened a store near me recently.
[General Topics] galaxys:
Pure rumors...Good old Tmobile is not going anywhere! :cool:
[Droid Eris General] intermediate Droid:
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[Droid X Android Development] Charusen:
Motorola got it so right with the Droid and then royally screwed it up with the Milestone by locking down it's bootloader, what are the odds with the new Droid X?

On a slight off topic speculation, same question for the Droid 2?
[Droid X Android Development] .mak:
Taking into account the number of previous models listed above, I'd say it's a 50/50 shot :D
[Droid X Android Development] th0r615:
cross my fingers, hope to die, stick a needle in my eye... lol
[Droid X Android Development] bizzshow26:
i can almost bet that the bootloader is locked. motorola said a few months back all their future phones will have locked bootloaders. just hope it can be hacked like the milestone, but desnt take as long.
[Droid X Android Development] Mikerrrrrrrr:
This is the only thing that would make me return the Droid X. As far as I know, the Milestone bootloader still hasn't been cracked, and months on from its release, it's not looking that likely. I'm using the first 30 days to see if I can put custom roms on there or not -- if I can't, I'll go return it and wait for a better phone.
[Droid X Android Development] bizzshow26:
just read and no the milestone bootloader hasnt been unlocked. just hope they dont lock down this bootloader if they do i will keep my droid around for hacking perposes
[Droid X Android Development] th0r615:
If I cant put custom roms on this phone, I will not be getting it.
[Droid X Android Development] bizzshow26:
we may have to wait and see if their going to lock it down. i pray not, i want to keep custom roms but would rather overclock and keep the stock usablility or just theme my phone
[Droid X Android Development] Mikerrrrrrrr:
From what I've heard, the bootloader is signed. Does anybody know if there's been any progress on the Milestone with the kexec method?
[Droid X Android Development] OG:
Are retail devices have Locked BootLoaders.
[Droid X Android Development] jigglywiggly:
That's a bit of a bummer, but I mean the phone is just plainly better than an Evo. Even if it can't flash roms, having root inside the OS is still ok. I mean that way we can do wifi tethering and stuff like that.

What really impresses me from this phone is the GPU. The Evo's sucks.
[Droid X Android Development] iamrobk:
Yeah, the GPU in this is really helping to sell me on it. TBH I don't mind not having custom ROMs (Android custom ROM's aren't nearly as necessary as WinMo custom ROMs IMO), but I really want to be able to overclock, since hopefully this will be able to get up to 1.2-1.3GHz, at least.
[Droid X Android Development] jigglywiggly:
I am sure it can do those frequencies provided someone hacks the bootloader. But I have a feeling even if the snapdragon is at 1.2ghz it probably is equal to the Droid x's 1ghz OMAP proc.

It's just a better phone, it just has a bit odd stylistically, thank goodness the front looks smexy.

I wish Froyo would come out to it earlier, but it's not a must. (I want Flash :) )
[Droid X Android Development] Aridon:
With all the competition I can't see myself picking this up with a locked boot loader. Development efforts will seriously be non existent. Foolish on motorola's part. They gain nothing by locking it and ultimately lose sales.
[Droid X Android Development] tbross319:
Can someone clarify: an earlier poster said that the bootloader had been accessed, but the rest of the posts are going along the lines that the bootloader is NOT unlocked...

does anyone have any clarity for this one
[Droid X Android Development] rolandroland:
timing?

Using the Droid as an example anyone remember how long it took "them" to figure out whether the bootloader was locked? Trying to figure out if this will be determined before I trying to pick one up on the 15th.
[Droid X Android Development] jte6263:
Wow this has been eye opening. I have been a long time winmo user and love flashing ROM's. I'm about to switch to verizon and was already sold on the X but after reading about the locked boot loader I think I'll stick with HTC devices, or at least the original moto droid. This will be a deal breaker sorry moto
[Droid X Android Development] Syco54645:
There is a person at androidforums who has a Droid X. He is doing a Q&A right now. He has been asked twice (once by me) if the bootloader is locked or not. He is unsure how to check this (as am I). Figured someone here may be able to help him out. Since I cannot post links the thread is "Droid X in my hands on monday". Hopefully something good will come out of this.
[Droid X Android Development] symyn:
All Winmo / HTC phones are locked at the beginning and you get a great unlocker usually from Olipro. It usually takes a month or so for this to happen. Not sure why you would think an Android device would be different or why this would be a deal breaker for you. I am sure there will be someone who knows enough about the bootloader who will figure out how to unlock it.
[Droid X Android Development] Syco54645:
I would feel more at ease if the precedence set by the milestone didn't exist...
[Droid X Android Development] sic0048:
What people misunderstand is the difference between a "locked" bootloader, and one that has been digitally encrypted. 99.9% of phones are going to have a "locked" bootloader. The network providers demand it if they are subsidizing the phone.

But starting with the Milestone, Motorola has said they are going to be digitally encrypting their bootloader. This means that it is much, MUCH harder to crack. The milestone has been released 7 months now and the bootloader still has not been cracked. Also, the method being used on the Milestone is one that would bypass the stock bootloader completely. Basically the encryption is unbreakable, and they are trying to exploit a weakness to simply not use it.

That is what everyone suspects we are facing with the Droid X. However, there may not even be a weakness that would allow us to bypass the OEM bootloader.

I'm not sure what it takes to determine if a bootloader is digitally encrypted vs. just "locked". But I have to assume it is a lot more than simply looking at a menu on the device.

I don't think we'll see a definitive answer to this question until there is some serious hacking attempts. For all I know, it might have to be rooted before we'll know for sure.
[Droid X Android Development] Syco54645:
I was assuming that most people knew what was meant by the "locked" bootloader we are discussing here, but maybe not. This is a great explanation. As far as it not being crackable, everything man made can be hacked into. Nothing is 100% unhackable, just fool proof. The X should be a fairly popular phone (hopefully more popular than the milestone but if the milestone's is anything like the droid's popularity then I doubt it) so it maybe it will get hacked. Probably would take a few months, but as long as it is done then that is good.
[Droid X Android Development] -AdamZ-:
If you can gain access to flashing custom kernels, I can guarantee that phone will go MUCH higher than 1.3 GHz with that TI OMAP 3630 processor. I've personally overclocked my original Droid's TI OMAP 3430 from 550 MHz to 2.0 GHz... quite stable too. Most can run their Droid's at 1.3-1.5 GHz with no problem.

The processors they use from TI can handle quite a bit. :)
[Droid X Android Development] shaneaus:
Didn't a Motorola rep awhile back respond regarding the Milestone being locked down?

I thought that the US Droid was not locked and the EU versions were locked down.... If I remember correctly they provided a reason for that....

Maybe, that trend will continue?

If anyone could post any links showing comments from Motorola about the future of locking down these devices that would be appreciated. It may be that those of us in the US are worrying over nothing - and, those of us NOT in the US are worrying with cause? I tried a search a minute ago and came up with NADA! But, I'm probably not searching for the correct terms.
[Droid X Android Development] tsanuri:
Here is a post that shows what Moto's responce was to the Milesotne.

http://androidforums.com/motorola-d...hing-roms-abandon-all-hope-2.html#post1062519
[Droid X Android Development] ThugEsquire:
Wow, so I should really be thrilled that I have an Incredible instead of a Droid X. Interesting!
[Droid X Android Development] Irishpride:
All the quote from Motorola is referring to is a "fully unlocked" phone. It does not say anywhere that all future phones from Motorola will have a fully encrypted & locked bootloader, it just says they are not going to release a 100% open developer phone. There is still hope that we will be able to flash ROMs on the X.
[Droid X Android Development] Mikerrrrrrrr:
According to this Droid dev on Twitter (http://twitter.com/mrweeeedbirdman), the Droid X is locked down like no other phone before it.

Choices tweets: ""i tried doing system pull but it said skiping on a few files" <--- this is how locked down the droidx is, you cant even do a system pull."

"its just plain evil, locked/signed/encrypted. check my last tweet to see how ****ty it is."

"it'll be a pain to root..a very big pain to root"

As someone who loves the Droid X's hardware but also loves the spirit of open source, custom roms, etc, I'm pretty bummed right now.
[Droid X Android Development] paul89:
I hear ya man, this is the only Android device that I really want, and it has to be F@$#ing locked!!!