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[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tolis626:
What you are referring to is a Hackintosh! :D

And yes,I know that MacOS can be installed on almost any PC and run as smooth,but for one reason.OSX's kernel is a BSD kernel,whick is UNIX based,just like Linux.So it is fairly easy to get it working on non-Apple hardware and make some new drivers.I have done some of it myself to be honest! :D

But iOS isn't anything like that.It is a new OS,made from scratch just for the iPhone.That's why we haven't seen a port for other phones yet and may never see one.So this whole one OS for one device thing is a very important factor,believe me!As for phones like the Desire and the Evo,just wait for FroYo and you will most probably see the smoothness you want so much.As for me?My Hero overclocked at a cool 768MHz with VillainRom 10.3 is smooth enough! ;)

Anyway,one thing must be made clear.The fact that iOS runs smoother doesn't make it better.Think only that very basic and vital functions like Copy & Paste were only introduced in iPhone 3GS and Apple presented them like the evolution of mobile platforms!And just because Apple said it everyone believed it.One thing you have to know is that for Apple fans,if Jobs says that the Earth's rotation is Apple's patent,then they will believe it and grow cocky because they will think that the Earth rotates only because of their iPhones!

And about what you said about WinMo being smooth...I surely hope you are joking!You can barely call what WinMo has a UI!The only phones worth the trouble with WinMo are HD2 etc,new and powerful devices.
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mardurhack:
I was talking about Windows XP/Seven! XD Not Mobile! :P By the way I know I'm referring to Hackintosh! I used to be in the InsanelyMac scene... ;) And I really don't want iOS to be ported on our devices! :P I LOVE Android! But I feel like it lacks a good rendering engine (even if it uses webkit from Chrome and, well, this is pretty strange! O_o) ! I really hope froyo will bring this "smoothness" I'm looking for ;) Oh and I've seen some videos about HD2 browsing... O_o Its smoothness is IMPRESSIVE!! Multitouch works great too! How can it be possible!? We're talking about Windows Mobile! And is the OS that makes the difference because it has the same features of N1...Snapdragon, 576 MB ram etc. So is WM better than Android in 2d rendering? I don't think so...I believe that someone at google missed something...Like "HW acceleration" while scrolling/zooming...I can't explain it better! :P What do you think?

PS: I could not compare an older phone with a newer one! It's like I would compare a Dream with a Desire! O_o So HD2 is the only one comparable to the newer Android phones! Then yes...Windows mobile on newer devices is a good operating system ;)
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tolis626:
I used to be bothering with a Hackintosh that never worked(not supported chipset damnit) and was too @ InsanelyMac! :D

Anyways,you are comparing a PC OS with mobile phones.It's not fair.Think that the best results with linpack yet are 40-50 megaflops,while modern PC graphics cards have the power to reach even 6 terraflops.So even a PC with XP should work smoothly!

As with phones,it's what I told you.Froyo has a newer kernel,which is about the same version as the one used in Ubuntu 10.04 and should most probably have OpenGL 2.1 instead of 1.1.I believe and hope that this will give a solution!Better rendering will give better results! :)
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mardurhack:
I'm not being clear... :P XP was an example to let understand that even if an OS is made for MANY devices this doesn't mean it has to be of poor performance! My XP is as smooth as any other OSX out there! ;) (after some tweaks!). So the fact that iOS is made only for iPhones doesn't matter about the loss of performance on Android which is made for MANY devices! ;) Got it? ;)
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tolis626:
You are perfectly clear my friend!It's just that the way that PCs work is different.With a good enough hardware it can run good on any OS that supports the given hardware.But with the phones it's a bit trickier the way I see it.For every phone they must build specific drivers etc.So Android(and WinMo in this aspect) has to be partially developed for all devices simultaneously.Just look how different Galaxy S,Desire and Milestone are.To make you understand what I mean,think of different CPU architectures and Linux.Ubuntu,which I use everyday on my PC works differently on x86 architectures,differently on x86_64 and differently on PowerPC,because the architecture that has been most...ermmm...popular is x86.Different drivers mostly.OSX works only on x86 and works like a dream(almost :D),but we cannot say it is better or anything than Ubuntu which works everywhere,on every hardware,but not as smooth or well as OSX.

It's not the best example that can be given,but I hope you understand what I want to say!
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mardurhack:
Sure! Android can run on many different architectures but know what...it's something like a car which can run on every kind of terrain but behaves as good as it is supposed to on none of them! Who is going to buy this kind of car? :P same thing is for android! I can't need a 1ghz cpu JUST to smoothly scroll a web page! :P I don't pretend asphalt 5 to run at 60fps on my hero but, hell yeah! I PRETEND to have a smooth scrolling/zooming! And I know this is possible because opera mini (apart from the huge lag-bug) handle it! So my only desire is to have a good and fast browser on my phone...am i asking too much? :)
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] viveknanda:
Smooth scrolling is coming to Android

Watch this youtube video.. it elaborates about the MIUI ROM.

10:52 onwards you'd notice smooth scrolling with spring effect.. more or less in line with how it feels in iphone.

youtube.com/watch?v=w3Llz40hfpo

Vivek

99bits.com
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scott.deagan:
Sticking to the discussion, the simple answer is iOS is smoother because it uses the GPU to render the UI. Android, on the other hand, mostly uses the CPU. IMHO Android will soon lose a large percentage of their customers as more people become aware of this issue. Consumers don't care about the cause, they just want something that delivers a UI user experience on par with the market leader (there's a good reason why they're the market leader). The fact that Google have managed to con millions into buying in to the Android hype falls nothing short of astonishing. The Nexus S campaign in a perfect example: rarely (if ever) show the handsets scrolling a web page or menus.

Android is a great platform, but the benefits of Android are negated by the sluggish choppy UI that completely destroys the user experience. Do a Google search for "Android Issue 6914" and you'll get the idea.

Here's a simple test: go to the Engadget desktop (classic) page and scroll/zoom around. Make sure flash add-on is disabled.

The best improvement in this area I have personally seen to date is Android 2.2.1 running on a Galaxy S. It's not perfect, but it's definitely a step in the right direction. I admire Samsung for listening to consumers and at least making an effort (not easy considering this issue is the result of an Android architectural design flaw).

It looks like Google have addressed this issue with Honeycomb, but it also looks like Honeycomb is exclusively for tablets. Hopefully this fix will trickle down into Android handsets. I've been eagerly awaiting a fix each and every update, but each time am left feeling disappointed. Until Google addresses this issue, they've lost a customer here.
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fiscidtox:
Why does everyone feel the need to compare android and Iphone?

If you want a device and don't care about it being the epitome of conformity, then get an iPhone.. i personally think an overclocked hero with a custom rom is just as smooth, and a much better experience.. I'm so sick of this discussion.
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pikacz:
i wonder why nobody mentioned wp7 in this thread yet ;) it's just as smooth as iOS and comes with a new wonderfully refreshing ui
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] devilex94:
Do you said "new wonderfull refreshing ui" !!!! You must be kidding man

That UI is waste for me.

try this website if you want a demo of wp7

http://aka.ms/wpdemo

go through your phone browser
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pikacz:
wow! it's been a year since my post, and through all that time i had my mozart and i still love everything about it. you have your opinion and i have mine, nothing wrong with that
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Habarug:
Wp7 seems really nice, but I'm a flashmaniac so It's too locked for me ;-)
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tR0ARKE:
If you want smoother scrolling you could use this [HOWTO]More smooth scroll & volume step increase for MOST android phones
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] yossi2010:
Yes it can be smooth as iphone if not smoother!

did you ever zoom an iphone and noticed what happens? its blurry and than reloaded... like you are scrolling/zooming a photo...(btw if you zoom in and than out in a heavy page like desktop youtube or something the iphone 4g will get stuck and wont respond for about 5 secs! wont happen on android!) oh and ios DOESN'T MULTITASK! (that tray is just a fast app switcher the apps are frozen...)

in android u are actually viewing/zooming the internet in its vectoric form(like the pc) hence the jerkyness(boat browser is the fastest in that style)...

well what if you used that iphone trick on android? well u can!

opera mini(next) is doing just that! and what you get is an android device scrolling zooming panning and reloading the image faster and prettier than iphone with smooth silky transition animations and multi tabbing!

was tried on defy and its smooth even on 300-600 mhz ics!

(i have an ipod 4g hence i know what is going on there)

NOTE: OPERA MOBILE IS HEAVY AND VECTORIC! ONLY THE MINI USES THIS GENIUS RENDERING ENGINE!(btw the sgs2 does that too)

oh and opera mini has no flash support.... just like the iphone(i think they should merge opera mobile with mini's rendering engine)

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dude have you ever tried changing the launcher and the browser?

opera mini is waaaay smoother and fast scroller than iphone!(one flick to end a page! and its 60 fps! no matter the page!)

iphone will freeze for about 5 secs if you zoom in release and than out in heavy websites!

try full engadget on iphone and then on android opera mini...

see for yourself! android pwns ios here!

do the zoom test... ios will get stuck(for abot 3 secs each zoom) android will keep rerendering smoothly no probs!

TRY LAUNCHER PRO or 7launcher for smooth ui...

menus? you are screwed... its app dependent not android... if u notice tryand open up the hide apps menu in launcher pro(preferences>general>hide apps)

its the smoothest thing you will ever see!

than open up some other jurky menus that have no reason for lag... not android problem! devs problem!
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chefnoob:
I know this is an old thread but it might explain how the Iphone does it.

www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/16/picsel_technologies_sues_apple_626_patent/
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] YaPaY:
I'm a big Android fan but I think we have to admit it, android phones scrolling not enough smooth like Iphone's.
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] azulgranas:
Wow 2 years have passed since the opening of this thread. So what about now? android and ios :D
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Omaxe:
Still iphone Rocks

Sent via Nokia 1100
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tommrazek01:
Talking from the future on chrome for android; Yes, with project butter and many other tweaks, we are as close to ultimate smoothness as me can get, although we will never get there, simply because of the way android is bulit. But what it is now is so smooth I can't imagine much smoother.
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ttocs99:
Look for an app called seeder and use pimp my rom for sum tweaks

ROM: HYPERION 7 PRE-GM

MOD: XPERIA NXT MOD V1.7 + XPERIA S LOCKSCREEN

KERNAL: HELLS_FUSION #40
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] LocutusEstBorg:
LOL this thread remains completely relevant and true even today.
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MrAndroid12:
Still reverent today like a member of xda had said but with the A15 quad core, small jerks and stutters across the UI is still evident (store demo s4 and one) unlike my very own iPad with an A5, however with project butter and the a15s it doesn't really other me.
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] MvP77:
REMOVED LINK

The app is in Beat.the developer has asked us to remove links too that app.

Although site have it for download, we can not ;)
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] ericc191:
I've been using the beta for awhile now and it's awesome. I never have to convert any video files now.
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] MvP77:
yeah i was skeptical at first, but it works great! Reminds me of core player for windows mobile!
[HD2 General] Mysticales:
Hey all, I have Puzzle quest warlords for windows mobile, normally when I rom upgrade I dont worry about wiping and so.. but I think now I would. Would hate to lose my saved game. Does anyone know where thats backed up to or how to restore that fully? Thanks.
[HD2 General] Demon_man:
go to gile explorer and look on device or storage card in programs mate you prob find it all in there as a guess, maybe even the windows folder
[HD2 General] Mysticales:
Thats what I thought too, I checked program files, I see the game folder, but not sure if that holds the save file, looks all like game data to me. Checked a couple other places too, so thats why I was wondering if anyone has some ideas. =)
[HD2 General] cu2cool:
There's a My Saved Games folder in My Documents in your device memory. That's where all bejeweled and bookworm data is saved. I know it doesn't save there for all games though. Maybe your best bet if you can't find it there is to copy all the folders for the game you can find.
[HD2 General] RoN_HD2:
I've just flashed my ROM and I also had the same game as you installed. However, after flashing and a HR, I re-installed the game and I was pleasantly surprised to find that my progress was still saved. I originally installed the game to SD card so it must have auto backed up.
[HD2 General] Mysticales:
Issue is, the Marketplace didnt let me install it to the SD card. So my guess is. Maybe Ill backup the folder and restore it, see what happens, if it fails then sad panda. =/ Didnt see any saved folder for games tho.
[HD2 General] kilrah:
Saves and preferences for most apps can be in Application Data or My documents, usually on internal memory if it was installed there or Storage card if you installed here.
[HD2 General] RoN_HD2:
You can configure MarketPlace to save apps to SD card. Just select menu at lower right corner of screen then settings. Here you can set the default storage location. Hope this helps.
[HD2 General] Mysticales:
Ok well I updated from Jun 11 to Jun 19th (Energy rom) and the marketplace shows sd card for install now. (Didnt before)

Also the files for puzzle quest are in the program files folder. puqugd.rs and puqugf.rs I restored just those 2 files and all was good. =)
[Windows Mobile Themes] mskip:
***Reserved***
[Windows Mobile Themes] moopile:
Can't wait to try it. Decided to give SPB MS another shot. Tired of the Sense "problems".
[Windows Mobile Themes] MarkAtHome:
My goodness, Mark... have you been sleeping faster these days? :D
[Windows Mobile Themes] ushersorbet:
You definitely the man! I´ll donate for ur beers this week lol

Cant wait to try the qvga!
[Windows Mobile Themes] @mark@:
Nice work lol

big thankssss
[Windows Mobile Themes] mskip:
Insomnia has its advantages ;)

Mark.
[Windows Mobile Themes] scpion:
wow.. everything theme is being put together and interchangable..!!!!!!
[Windows Mobile Themes] scpion:
hi,

The extra widgets or backings does not seems to be in the installation.

eg. current date widget I only have the option of Default and White.

EDITED: my bad.. the backings are incoporated into every widgets.. no longer in the date widget option anymore.
[Windows Mobile Themes] Keland44:
looking forward to trying this out for qvga when you get it up great work
[Windows Mobile Themes] mskip:
Yeah sorry I forgot to mention the backing panels are now shortcut skins, its a much more effective way of adding them. I will add it into the first post now.

Mark.
[Windows Mobile Themes] mskip:
I am working on QVGA/WQVGA versions tonight so they should be released later tonight or most probably tomorrow.

Mark.
[Windows Mobile Themes] RobTsintas:
This looks great! I'm installing right now.

Would I be right in thinking that my previous widgets registry backup will no longer work, and I'll have to do my layouts from scratch?
[Windows Mobile Themes] mskip:
What theme/setup did you backup your layout from?

Mark.
[Windows Mobile Themes] gluonyc:
wide backgrounds

This seams a nice work, but I really love the standard feature of the background slyding behind the icons (960x800)...

Is this feature present or absent? In the later case, is it posble to add it?

Thank you very much
[Windows Mobile Themes] mskip:
That feature is only present if you use the Original Spb menubar or any of the UltimateV2 menubar options. Elegance and Ultimate Elegance use 7 single pages that are linked together to give the selectable screens which is why you dont have the sliding affect.

Mark.
[Windows Mobile Themes] zane1374:
You've outdone yourself again! I'm a few hours in and love the extra options so far. Payday tomorrow so more tea and beer to feed your lack of sleep!
[Windows Mobile Themes] RobTsintas:
My widgets.reg was exported from an UltimateV2 for MS 3.5.3 layout.

Never mind, I've started rebuilding it now.

I've had a few lockups, but I also updated my Energy ROM at the same time, so it's not necessarily ProPlus.
[Windows Mobile Themes] mskip:
It is best to rebuild from scratch on here anyway as alot of the widget names have changed (backing panels, buttons) which might have caused problems if you imported your old layout.

The backup/restore utilities should be a good help in the future as you can save upto 4 completely seperate layouts from different themes and go back to them at any time. Just make sure you have the theme loaded before you restore your layout.

I dont think the lockups are anything to do with ProPlus Freedom as it doesnt replace any of the original files, just injects whatever choice you make into the layouts file which makes everything alot safer.

Mark.
[Windows Mobile Themes] lamborg:
Did as you said, working perfectly.

Thanks for the Detailed instructions. :)
[Windows Mobile Themes] mskip:
Glad to help :)

Mark.
[Windows Mobile Themes] SyNRGz:
SPB Phone Suite

Hello MSKIP. Are you aware of any issues with using SBP Phone Suite on the TP2? I have EnergyRom on a TP & TP2. Both running SPB and ProPlus Freedom. The TP2 does not respond to profile changes. It only defaults to the CUSTOM profile.
[Windows Mobile Themes] gerald_s:
No, its not in tools, its nowhere. No idea what happened to this widget. I will ask in the MS forum, maybe somebody knows what happened or how to solve it.

Great that you are planning to add this clock in the next update, I'm really missing it.
[Windows Mobile Themes] propagandax:
I really enjoy this program. I hope you continue to expand the menu tweaks ext. For me tiles button is almost useless i love to get rid of that any time I can. Would love to see a windows theme thereas you replicate the start button at the bottom like wm 6.5.x with some softkeys or buttons to match. Would make this look like the what wm7 should be a wm os with widget desktop. Anyways we can all dream, keep up the good work
[Windows Mobile Themes] oldasuk:
Hi Mark and how it looks with the QVGA version? Hello Olda ;)
[Windows Mobile Themes] mskip:
UPDATE FOR QVGA, WQVGA RESOLUTIONS!!

12th July 2010 (QVGA, WQVGA)

+ Added new (icon with text) box skins

+ Added new text backing skins for shortcut widgets in black and grey for single and double line text

+ Added page heading texts in black and white for more customisation of the screen (add widget spb link and change skin)

+ Added Backup and Restore of the spb menu screen. Useful if you add files or programs to the 'My Shortcuts' section

+ Fixed the Lifestyle2 and Lifestyle4 links being swapped

+ Added a BRAND NEW MenuBar.. PROPLUS DESIRE gives you full screen control with a small functional menubar at the bottom

+ Added a BRAND NEW MenuBar.. PROPLUS DROID

+ Added an option in the Screen Mods scetion to change the Panels (carousel) into a tiled layout displaying the 7 lifestyle screens used by Elegance, Ultimate Elegance and ProPlus Droid. Very useful to see all your lifestyle layouts on the panels screen.

+ Fixed the Invisible Shortcut (small) displaying as the medium size

+ Fixed a bug in the Layout Backup, Restore Utility

+ Added Digital Clock from original ProPlus series (by request)

Download links in the first post..

If you enjoy using this theme please consider making a donation. ALOT of work went into this to make it as good as it can be for everyone. Even if its just a small amount it gives me satisfaction and enthusiasm to carry on developing and appreciation of my work is very welcome.

Enjoy :D

Mark.
[Windows Mobile Themes] claus1953:
Thanks Mark

Downloaded and will try it out right away.

Can i install this just on top of the former version, and will all layout stay the way it is?
[Windows Mobile Themes] MarkAtHome:
Hi Mark -- I didn't note anyone ask (if they have, I apologize), but can this be installed on top of and/or with ProPlus Windows Phone 7 for MS3.5.5?
[Windows Mobile Themes] MarkAtHome:
Just an FYI that once SPB Shell and your stuff is installed to DEVICE MEMORY, SKTools can be successfully used to move the whole shebang to the SDHC card -- everything works fine afterwards.
[Windows Mobile Themes] claus1953:
It wont work, as it has to be over a clean spb ms install. But you can install the widgets only of WP7, i did that and it works nice.
[Windows Mobile Themes] Lichsv:
Thx Mskip only 2 questions

How can I translate the predictions text? example: overcast, rainning etc. to another language? in my case to spanish.

and teh second, It's possible to translate the MSkip's ProPlus Manager to spanish language?

Thanks ;)
[Windows Mobile Themes] mskip:
As claus said you will need to uninstall ProPlus WP7 first before installing this cab as it would overwrite WP7 and just leave you with a load of useless files on your phone. The backup files on WP7 and Freedom are different so you make backups safely.

Yes thats good if you dont have much device memory left on your phone :)

Because of changes I have made with this 'Theme Manager' ProPlus Freedom (with 7 seperate menubars) takes up around 20% less space than EACH of the original ProPlus cabs :D

Mark.
[Windows Mobile Themes] mskip:
Hope you like it mate :D

Yes you can install any direct updates over the previous version, it will just state that it has to uninstall the previous version first.

I think any layouts will be lost because when the program is uninstalled it deletes all registry traces of ProPlus. Im not sure if the original Pro and Lifestyle layouts will be ok though. Best bet is to make a backup of the layouts first just to be safe.

Mark.
[Windows Mobile Themes] mskip:
The weather text is all in bitmap format in the qa/va_weather_plus_info_small_skin.dat file.

You would need to extract the weather_m.bmp using the password b0fm18zq and then edit all 31 entries. Save the file and import it back into the dat file using the same password. Copy it back to your spb mobile shell folder and soft reset :)

I really wouldnt know where to start with translating the whole Manager to spanish. I guess its easily possible but ALOT of work.

Mark.