yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Nexus One General] boogieTilt:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/20/google_android_oem/
[Nexus One General] commodoor:
Nice find. personaly i think that the sensui makes the phone slower. But can't wait to see gingerbread :D
[Nexus One General] bougelahi:
I dont think its really going to change much..its just going to make the decision for getting a custom UI more difficult since google is improving androids stock UI. Also, from what I've read they should be doing updates through the market after gingerbread so wouldnt that make it easier for the custom UI'ed phones to stay updated?
[Nexus One General] mingoid:
I read that article this morning and it just annoyed me. First of all, Google aren't going to stop manufacturers applying their own skins, I can still see HTC using sense and maybe motoblur/TouchWiz (eurghh) but there's still going to be a hell of a lot of phones/devices out there running stock UI that will benefit from this, including us Nexus users...

Secondly the author shows a lack of knowledge in saying that Microsoft couldn't do this because of Sense on Mobile 6.5 - are they aware that Windows Phone 7 is not allowed to be skinned?

Hopefully part of this UI refresh will focus on making Android work on tablet sized devices, as stock looks a bit odd on such large screens.
[Nexus One General] z0phi3l:
I agree, looks like the author is more interested in making a bigger deal out of this that it really is. He is really stretching it too trying to compare Apple and their closed system vs Google improving their UI to make make it more user friendly
[Nexus One General] uansari1:
I stopped reading when the author stated that Google was trying to maintain "Apple-style control" over the user interface. That's nonsense.
[Nexus One General] pakraider:
no pun intended? :p
[Nexus One General] wesbalmer:
I stopped reading that crap when the article said "programmers risk being 'Motoblur' programmers or 'Sense' programmers. I'm pretty sure if he had any knowledge of the Android OS, he'd know its all ANDROID!!! What the **** is wrong with these iPhone fanboys
[Nexus One General] diversificationied:
It's ridiculous how easily things are misenterpreted and misreported.

What was actually said:

"We're gonna focus on making gingerbread pretty and cohesive"

How it was taken:

"We're gonna actively prevent mfgs from adding their own UI's, we're gonna lock down android, and we're gonna start stealing babies"
[Nexus One General] mariolopezjr:
FOUR HUNDRED BABIES. WE WILL STEAL FOUR HUNDRED BABIES. :o
[Nexus One General] th0r615:
minus a few widgets, a pretty wallpaper, and a different launcher.... sense is (and all other blur's and wiz's) basically the same as the "vanilla" android experience... isnt it?

Dont see how this is going to change much. Except for making android more pretty... which sounds good to me!
[Nexus One General] diversificationied:
Sense runs pretty deep.
[Nexus One General] RogerPodacter:
i must be one of the only one's who dont get all the complaining about the android UI is inconsistent and not cohesive etc. i just dont see that. for example, no matter what app you go into the settings screen looks identical all the time. a long black list with checkbox options for on and off. how is that inconsistent?
[Nexus One General] LevitateJay:
Android UI really does need a refresh. Just all the grey boxes, lack of nice gradients, neon greens and bad shapes and no transparency or reflections or anything to make it look 'shiny' really make the platform appear dated. Sense has a go at fixing these things but it only does a good job on the surface and they are still all there as soon as you open something not built for sense. I'm hoping Gingerbread fixes all this!
[Nexus One General] ATnTdude:
Exactly. That's what Google is trying to stop, these deep reaching UI and OS overhauls. Motoblur, the AT&T Backflip aside, isn't as invasive and therefore doesn't have the same problem. How many apps don't work because of Sense? 5-10% of my apps (aside from Launcher Pro) have some kind of warning against sense issues.

I don't think this will extend to launchers, as those are fairly easy to swap out, and the article stated that wasn't the point. I hope this means we'll actually get some official skinning support, so we don't have to deal with stuff like flashing themes or metamorph. Make it easy, make it modular, make it open. Isn't that the open source goal?
[Nexus One General] jamesd86:
I don't understand why anyone would hate on Google for attempting to improve the default UI. If ol' G can make the UI as nice as say, Sense, then in turn HTC would have to improve Sense. All this will do is drive innovation and improvements. Win-Win for everyone. Except the coders that have to do the innovating..but that's their jobs.
[Nexus One General] Blueman101:
hopefully they wont do too many changes, im a fan of vanilla, not so much sense or motoblur.
[Nexus One General] ATnTdude:
Gradients are unnecessary, gaudy, and iPhone-esc. Not very modern looking, it's a step above the animated backgrounds of 90's websites. I like the minimalist look of the email app and if they strip out every gradient in the OS and do something unique, I wouldn't be happier.
[Nexus One General] wesbalmer:
Google would be making a huge mistake to stop HTC Sense UI. Currently its the only feasible enterprise solution. Even 2.2 doesn't have the exchange feature set that Sense does.
[Nexus One General] Blueman101:
PEOPLE!!!

They are not getting rid or banning sense or motoblur, they are only planning on making the vanila (stock) UI more interesting.
[Nexus One General] xManMythLegend:
I hate sense ui with a passion. The ridiculous inconsistency between android handsets makes it a task to introduce features and highlight things for new users. Oh wait yours can't do live wallpapers...wait hold on your contacts are different etc etc.

Btw the reason they assume the ui is being overhauled and reigned in is A. They DID intend for the n1 to be the first of a series of pure Google experiences. B. The hiring of the palm ui guy.

That's on top of the statements about gingerbread.

Xperias disaster of a ui...senses overwhelming ugliness at this point aren't helping android.

Google pushing for a great ui experience improvement benefits us. The oems need to suck it up. There's plenty of room for variation in hardware design and they'll still be able to slap on skins.

They should be more worried with putting out hardware without touch,dust,and 3g issues.

Outside of n1 and iPhone 4 (which are marginal improvements in design ) I really haven't seen any inspired HW design in a long time. OEMs are clearly focused on the wrong areas.
[Nexus One General] torchedlh:
I think this will be a good step for Google. I'd like to see them incorporate more sense-like features such as social networking integration, more/prettier stock widgets, etc. Hopefully enough so that overlays such as sense, motoblur etc to go away because those things really contribute a lot when it comes to the android 'fragmentation' issue. It also creates inconsistencies among the handsets and prohibits a cohesive android "brand/identity".

However, i think they have a long way to go in fundamental areas and should focus on those first: like contact management (edit groups!), gmail app, gallery etc. I would like them to add functionality here before making the interface all pretty. The only thing I would like to see in that department is to make it easy to skin (colors and icons). Skinning should not require root!!
[Nexus One General] SoberGuy:
I couldn't disagree more. Pick up an iPhone, doesn't even matter what version it is. They all look the same. Every single one. Every OS, interface. Blah.

"Fragmentation" is suddenly some key buzz word around here, and it's annoying. Let's all go back a few years to WinMo. Remember those days? Remember the custom ROMs and themes? Remember how we'd follow a particular chef, because he'd get a nice stable ROM that was pretty zippy, and then we'd find the UI tweaks and customizations that we wanted? Or some would follow a particular chef because he'd include the UI tweaks in his ROM? We all want to customize our own look and feel, we think it's a great thing, and we've loved it from day one. But when this is allowed at the OEM level, suddenly it's "fragmentation" and bad? I don't understand the logic at all. I thought that was the beautiful thing about Android. Perhaps I missed something...

Valid points, and for the most part I agree with you. I think that all things should be looked at / fixed, but I do like the fact that Google is putting extra effort into the UI.

ETA: For the record, I'm not a big fan of Sense or Blur. I prefer the vanilla android. That said, I don't see a problem with manufacturers adding a little something to the experience. As long as we have a great community that allows me to get rid of that crap, I'm perfectly happy. ;)
[Nexus One General] commodoor:
The problem isn't the freedom of customisation but some OEM go so far editing the framework that they have to edit again when there is a newer version. This delivers some delays look at the hero 7 months later they finaly got the update. I'm not saying they have to ban everything, be honest the sensui looks good and it works. I used the sensui on my hero and even tried the desire rom but i always came back to the vanilla UI. But the problem is the delay that the OEM gives. look here people can't wait to see newer versions, almost everyone here tried/is using the leaked Froyo and others are trying to port it to other phones, why because they can't wait.
[Nexus One General] cred05:
Good. I dont like Sense, and motoblur, and whatever else there is. Not only is it too complex for most users, it slows down the OS, and hurts the platform overall.

I dont think anyone can deny the fact that Android got a lot of its improvements because of Sense 1.5. Now it sounds like Gingerbread will be getting a lot of its improvements from Sense 2.1. Android is good enough by itself now to not need Sense. I think it's also easier to customize a vanilla android phone than it is for a Sense phone, since sense is more locked down.
[Nexus One General] mariolopezjr:
I, for one, hope this means that Android will have a unified OS. Some apps just have horrible looking skins. I'd rather everything just look the same, for a more consistent, unified experience. Yes, it is more Apple-like, but it makes everything flow as if it were not an application, but more an extension of Android made to work in perfect harmony.
[Nexus One General] torchedlh:
I dont have a problem with android interfaces LOOKING different, but when the stock interface on phone A WORKS different than on phone B, that hurts brand consistency and confuses users. I'ts one thing to make something look pretty, but Sense does quite a bit more than that and changes how the user interacts with their device. And I suppose I wouldnt really have a problem with it if there was a simple way (not rooting) to deactivate ALL of it. As far as I know you can only replace the launcher, but things like Contacts, Messaging apps etc are forever modified.

I also used quotes on 'fragmentation' for a reason. While I agree it's not fragmentation its really an issue of updates coming out first for some phones and not others. I have a Nexus One and one of the primary reasons I bought it was because I knew it would get updates first.

Basically, when users purchase an android phone, they should be looking at the hardware only, and should not have to make trade offs and consider the software layer on top of it. That basically rules out Samsungs, most of Motorolas, Acers, etc
[Nexus One General] AbsoluteDesignz:
Google should make the icons customizable via a special API or whatever and Sense and Motoblur or whatever can be Downloadable home replacements via the Market or whatever...it'd allow the underlying archetecture to be updated easily whilst keeping the home replacements updateable via market download...maybe even sections in the market for apps for certain home replacements...it'd be hot.
[Nexus One General] pzumk:
You mean they should look like 3rd party apps but more like an already inbuilt app when you start it?
[Nexus One General] tr.slate:
i wish HTC and Moto etc would just make their UI's a home replacement available in the market for only their branded phones. Then everyone would have the choice to use it or not. Never really understood why this wasnt done at the beginning. just seems to make more Sense.

or i guess what absolutedesignz said basically. oops.
[Nexus One General] :
I have a feeling they are working on getting "themes" officially supported, it would take stress of individual developers who aren't really coders, and it will allow customization out the woozah by those that "only" know how to theme.

I've seen great coders here, and I've also noticed they are not very apt in the design area. I also know that designers tend to not like the coding side of things (myself included). Great apps comes together not only from function but asthetics. If you alleviate the asthetic part from the coders they can roam free even further.
[General Topics] raymando:
Is there any way to intregate M3u playlist to window mobile, i have been doing my research and i feel this point has not been put foward or it has but has not seen the daylist of day in the eyes of rom cookers or other forum users fluent in programming. I just want to know is this would be possible to do this or i shouldnt even bother and just go with shuffle all the way on my music. I know there are other apps out there that can play m3u playlists but i want to play my music on my htc music player on my htc hd2.

Thanks you forum

Ray II
[Desire General] igor420:
Hey , I have had my desire a few weeks now. I have a problem with it.

Every time i make a phone call or accept a phone call the phone will switch to speaker phone. This happens before i put the phone up to my ear so it is not my face that is turning on speaker phone. If i hold the phone in my hand and dial a number and press call, it goes to speaker phone. If the phone rings and i answer it, it will always go straight to speak phone.

Has anyone had this problem?
[Desire General] pascanu:
My guess: somehow your phone thinks it's charging/docking. Check your connector for dirt.
[Desire General] doggie123:
If nothing else helps you could try this app (actually a widget) in the Market:

Car Mode

With this you can turn the speaker phone mode on/off. Unless your phone has a hardware problem that forces it to be always on...
[Desire General] igor420:
The connection seems fine to me. I will put a can of compressed air to it tomorrow. Cheers
[Desire General] igor420:
I tried the app.. Unfortunately it didn't work. I may have to send the phone back to htc.
[Desire General] JohnSteveDoe:
Don't bother before you flash to stock ROM/do a full wipe (factory reset). If none of those work, it's likely borked
[Desire General] Vulcain38_1:
Hi all !

I have been stuck for 2 weeks on this issue.

I have tried all those things :

- Switch off and then switch on the phone

- Remove and reinsert the battery

- Remove and reinsert the SIM Card

- Clean up the USB connector (and there were lots of dusts inside)

- Hard reset to the factory settings

Nothing has solved the problem.

BUT I have found a SOLUTION and also a process to see if you have the same problem as me :

1) Create a shortcut on your home screen and add this shortcut : Shortcut -> Parameter -> Car dock (the icon is a padlock)

2) Click on this shortcut and enable Auto start feature

3) A little car icon will appear in the status bar if there is a short circuit at that moment

4) Take your mini usb cable and plug it into the phone usb connector (without connecting the cable to an electrical outlet nor your PC, we don't want to charge the phone, in fact it doesn't matter but I advice you to not charge it during the process)

5) Now track if the car icon is present, if it is, just move up and down and left and right the cable to check if it's not a hardware short circuit like it is for me (!!). If the car icon appears and disappears during the process while you are moving the cable, then it's a hardware short circuit problem (nothing to do with some kind of software bug as mentioned by some people).

To fix the problem permanently you have 2 choices :

5.1) Take your phone back to the shop

5.2) My solution if you are a lazy man like I am : use the cable to twist correctly the male connector (the one inside the phone) to the correct position. For me the correct position was : lay down your phone on a table, screen upwards, you must twist the connector upwards too. The direction to twist the connector is from the bottom (the table) to the up (the screen) = If you take your phone in front of you and you are looking at the screen, twist the connector towards yourself.

I have fixed the problem this way.

I hope you will be able to fix it too.

Jérémy.
[Desire General] serocell:
I ve got HDH and I ve instaled 'all call recorder' since then everithing was okay...but after 1-2 weeks this issue was happening speaker always on on recieving call or making a call.so my oppinion uninstal(if you have) call recorder app.it will fix this issue.cheers!
[Droid Eris Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] HampTheToker:
My cousin has the Eris and wants me to mod it for her. She's 9 years old, but she's learning the in's and out's of Android pretty well under my guidance. Anyway, I've gotten it rooted for her, and I'm having a tough time picking a ROM for her Eris. I'm just looking for something stable and fast.

So it terms of stability and speed, what ROM would the XDA community suggest for me?
[Droid Eris Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Hungry Man:
Evil Eris is my favorite. There are a lot of good ROM's out there but this has just been really stable for me.
[Droid Eris Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] HampTheToker:
Thanks for the reply.

I've been looking at all the ROMs in the Developement board, and I'm definitely leaning toward that ROM.

I see that many of the ROMs here include JIT. How stable is JIT on the Eris? I have the Samsung Moment myself and have seen how unstable it is currently for my device, but if it is stable on the Eris I would definitely love to see it in action. However, my primary concern is stability. My cousin is only 9 after all.

Sent from my Haxsung M900
[Droid Eris Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Hungry Man:
It's very stable. If you're planning on using JIT you may want to stay away from sense based ROM's like Evil Eris, though. I use JIT on my E.E. but I've also modified the ROM to remove it. I would try Tainted Vanilla + JIT if you want a very stable JIT ROM.

Regular Eris I was about 2 mflops, overclocking to 768 got me to 3.5+ mflops, JIT + Overclocking got me to 5.1 mflops. I have had some issues though and would suggest you just stick with tainted vanilla if you want JIT.

edit: By some issues I mean the occasional force closing of my launcher. I haven't tied it to JIT, though. It could be from other things I've done to my phone, others have not mentioned this problem so I think you would be safe.
[Droid Eris Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] HampTheToker:
Flashed EE with no problems. Overclocked to 768 with SetCPU. Don't think it's safe to go any higher than 768. Downloaded TV 1.4, but I'm holding off on flashing it. EE with overclock is plenty fast, and my cousin's loving her phone now. May still flash TV, but I'll give her some time with this ROM in order to compare the two if I do flash it.

I downloaded the Eris Master App, but before I even tried to use it, I opened Device Manager and apparently the ADB driver isn't installed correctly. Tried updating and pointing both to the USB driver pack and to the SDK drivers folder to no avail. Maybe it has something to do with the Samsung Moment drivers already installed on my computer? Seems to me that they are the same, but I could be totally wrong. I ended up using my Moment ADB driver anyway.

Any suggestions about my driver issues?
[Droid Eris Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Elementix:
Here are the ADB Drivers: http://www.multiupload.com/5J5RXQ26LV

And I'd reccommend Ic3Rom 2.7. It's really stable and works great for me right now. Good luck with everything! :)
[Droid Eris Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jessebwallace:
Im a fan of Ivans. Everything just WORKS.

And its quick. And stock - I like the stock SenseUI.
[Droid Eris Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] HampTheToker:
I really appreciate the help and suggestions.

My cousin's phone is charging right now, but when it's done I'll try the ADB drivers again. Are the ADB drivers for the Eris different from the Moment? Would having drivers from two different Android phones cause any kind of conflict? I haven't experienced anything other than my ADB issue, but I'm confident we'll work it out.

Thanks again for your support.
[Droid Eris Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] intermediate Droid:
Try plainjane1 its like the stock home but with more access like superuser permissions wireless tether and more

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[Droid Eris Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] caleris:
I have been using xtrROM2.1 [NEW vBoost w/jit!] [lwp,nav,oc]-Vanilla that embraces HTC for a couple of weeks now. JIT works very well on it and the whole ROM is very stable.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Geniusdog254:
The title says it all. Is yours flush with the back of the case when it's folded in?

Mine protrudes ever so slightly. Its just barely noticeable enough to be a pain in the ass, but its less than a millimeter. I know my Evo had already been returned when I bought it, so it could just be my unit, but I don't know.

So anyways, weigh in in the poll!
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bowhuntr11:
What makes it a pain? Mine is barely too, but haven't really noticed until you made me look lol
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Geniusdog254:
Haha its not really an issue I guess, I'm just mega OCD, so when I run my hand over the back of the phone and feel that, it makes me wanna break things :D

All kidding aside, it doesn't effect anything I guess, but if it was just me I was gonna try and get a swap for another one. If it's on all of them, it doesn't matter, I just was wondering about it.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ActionVonAction:
Mine also sticks out a bit, but I don't find it annoying. What I find annoying is the fact that it squeaks when I pop it out. :mad:
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Aridon:
About a mm or so
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Cicatrize:
I think they all do. Mine does.

Sent from my Evo
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] howdyace:
My wife's and mine are flush.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] warmachine00:
mine is flush. although i do not use it often, and when i do, it is for short periods of time. it could just be the weight of the device putting strain on and stretching out the kickstand and its spring or whatever mechanism makes it retract and come out. i also use some form of case armor as a cover that is on it all the time, and there is a little bit of space cut out for the kickstand, so if it was to protrude in the future, it would still be flush with the case, if not still a little embedded inside it
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Geniusdog254:
Nah its not been pushed out it was like this since I bought it. Like I said its not a big issue, but the lack of consistency with these devices is kinda scaring me. I am a big HTC fan, but wow.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Geniusdog254:
Damn. This looks like another difference between the build versions. I may have to do a swap :(
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sfox8:
This is no where serious enough to do a swap unless you were already going to swap for another reason. If it still functions as it's supposed to and isn't wobbly, why send the whole thing back?

Mine protrudes probably a half a mm out (just barely noticeable until you said something) but it definitely doesn't detract from the device at all. Works perfectly. No where near as distracting as light leakage.