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[Windows Phone 7 General] Windcape:
Honestly, the layout is very messy, and I think you misunderstood the whole point of the squares and the design language for the phone.

You waste a incredible amount of space on headers, even though you also provide icons. There's little reason to provide both, as a phone is something you use a lot every day, so quick visual recognizability is more important than being able to read what the function does.

In Microsofts design the icon is more important than the text, while in yours it feels completely opposite. You also decided to place the header text on top of the icon, not in the bottom, which goes against the norm in the western world, that picture-texts are placed below the picture, not above it.

Also I'm not sure how well your layout would integrate with custom written layouts, in the Zune design language. The idea is that we try and create a unified user-experience, not different layout for every single application.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
Metro is based on the same principals that make up modern street, subway, etc signage. This has been proven over time to be extremely effective at quickly relaying information to a person. You seem to think that "UI" means graphics but UI means user interface, nothing more. A classic command prompt is still a user interface. It's not a G(raphical)UI but it's still a UI. Metro combines some iconography with text and relies on the premise that "text is beautiful". Also, Metro removes practically all of what is referred to as "chrome"; boxes, borders, etc. For example, in a list box that scrolls, there's no scroll bar. Yes, there's an indicator that displays while you're scrolling to indicate where you are in the list but there's no static scroll bar taking up space and cluttering up the screen. The labels you have above each item on the screen is a perfect example of "chrome". It's pointless really. For more on this philosophy, and it really is a philosophy, check out their book.
[Windows Phone 7 General] bkf1:
Since we have abandoned black&white comand line the UI is GUI. But is seems we are reverting back to command line... BTW I understood the philosophy why MS design is based on typography. I simply don't agree that this the way for today's UI.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Yep, I always liked how Ericsson phones said "Send" and "End" instead. Words give me instant recognition, images not so instant. Especially when there are a lot of them and every one cries for attention.
[Windows Phone 7 General] bkf1:
You must be kindding or blind :D Make some measuring and you find that I'm wasting minimum space instead of MS...

Of course it cannot be integrated with Zune design. BTW my design can be also used to create unified interface for various devices. It is simple, intelligible, graphicaly friendly (I have also based it on publishing design).

In fine I must say I like simplicity very much BUT I hate primitivism!
[Windows Phone 7 General] Windcape:
But a unified interface for various devices isn't what we want. We want the cosmopolitan design language to be reused for all applications, be it Zune, WP7 or MetroTwit.

And I still think you're wasting way to much space on text, which could be used on more visual appearance. Your layout seems very messy, and rather confusing.

I think it fits Android more than WP7 :p
[Windows Phone 7 General] Iridox:
I don't agree with this at all. Your design is very... 90s and faux art deco in my opinion. The entire point of Metro is typography, relevance, minimalism and visceral interactivity.

Each piece was selected because it *makes sense*. It's not about better labeling... the GUI is designed to be 100% intuitive. If I touch someone's face, I expect to see their information... if I touch the name of a program, I expect it to open. These are basic and fundamental concepts that Microsoft has very intelligently applied in the reconstruction of their mobile OS.

The other point of Metro is to stay out of the way. It is crafted in such a way that the content is pushed forward in a logical and uncluttered fashion. There are no widgets like Android because Android widgets are the easiest way to clutter a screen and make it *more* difficult to see the information you want quickly. 4x4 icon grids are fine, but they suffer from the same issue: clutter and lack of easy location. I can't tell you how many times I've gone through a friend's iPhone and it took like like 2-3 minutes to find a specific app in their 7 pages of crap.

/rant off
[Windows Phone 7 General] echow:
looks nice
[Windows Phone 7 General] DatDereX1:
you can see here at 12:40 when he taps the top bar the connection status appears for 10 seconds then is hidden again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EeOkPO3dLQ
[Windows Phone 7 General] lip:
MS version for sure...like others said, your version is far too busy...then again, so is the iphone and also android(although at least with android there are custom skins)...

I've been living with "metro" on my zune hd for 6 months or so and have never found it boring...I had countless versions of skins for my windows mobile phones over the years and never found something that clicked...I really like the MS design although the blue colour would be nice to change to black or something
[Windows Phone 7 General] Windcape:
The colour is changeable :)

Defaults are Green, Orange, Pink and Blue.
[Windows Phone 7 General] shaundalglish:
Like it. But what's with the arrows?
[Windows Phone 7 General] the-hq:
Like another poster already pointed out you put in too much useless information.

Nearly all the labels you use are pretty much a double information.

If I see a picture of me and I click, I actually KNOW that this will be about me, I would never need a text that says "ME". Or don't you know who you are? ;)

If I click on a phone symbol of course it will lead me to phone functions, why should I need the additional PHONE text on top?

The MS interface is pretty much self-explanatory, adding descriptions just bloats up the whole thing.

Maybe you should try to make a version without the text, but experiment more with the shape of the tiles?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Windcape:
For the OP , or anyone else interested in UI design, I recommend reading the following studies by Jakob Nielsen

http://www.useit.com/alertbox/mobile-apps-initial-use.html

http://www.useit.com/alertbox/ipad.html

And specially the entire paper on the iPad usability, since most of the information is valid for all touch-devices: http://www.nngroup.com/reports/mobile/ipad/

Enjoy!
[Windows Phone 7 General] Wanderphx:
I like quick access to system and commonly used programs such as calendar, tasks and message notification. I also like as simple as possible so as long as you can get rid of all the photos and other busy clutter it looks promising.
[Windows Phone 7 General] cPT.cAPSLOCK:
While those are rather long to read all at once, they sure are helpful and informative.

Thanks for the links!
[Windows Phone 7 General] Mr.Sir:
Microsoft should be ashamed, the UI they have now looks like the simpliest placeholder you possibly can make.

Complete trash, garbage, wortlhess. It never ends.
[Windows Phone 7 General] satchef1:
Your redesign is nice, but it needs simplifying. There's too much info on display all at once, too many pictures and too much bold text, the eye doesn't know what to focus on. Comparing that to Microsoft's design and there's a clear difference, Microsoft's is a lot simpler, the eye can take in the whole screen without being drawn to a dozen different elements at once.

The WP7 image that you reference is an old design. Against that image I'd go with yours by a slim margin. While yours is too busy it does portray the information better. Against the current design though Microsoft's is better, it's cleaner while still getting the information across.
[Windows Phone 7 General] cPT.cAPSLOCK:
What a lot of people forget when judging MS's UI is that it isn't static: While an image might look a little too simple, the subtle animations on a real device make it look alive and interesting, without making it annoying or hard to get the information you're after.

I think MS has found a great balance in the aesthetics of the homescreen: easy access to information and it's looks, which is hard to improve.
[Windows Phone 7 General] IM0001:
Again everyone is judging a OS that is not officially released yet. You guys know that HTC already has a custom UI for the home screen based on Sense for WP7 right? If you do not like something on the home screen you are going to be able to change it.

Wait till the actual OS is out and officially released with an official device, then criticize it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] daniel-t:
Actually it is now impossible to change the UI in Windows Phone 7. Microsoft have prohibited manufacturers from building their own UI on top.

If you want the Sense UI, buy a Windows Mobile 6.5 device!
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kloc:
HTC said they are coming up with idea's to not change the UI but add things to the start menu to give their phones a sense feel. Something like a two block flip clock and application links to items you usually see in sense. I think it will be great. The features of sense without all the Skinning overhead that comes with it. Below is a concept of what it might look like.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
Correct. But it's almost certain that HTC will develop some sort of app/hub of their own that will replicate many of the features of Sense on WM and Android within the framework of WP7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] IM0001:
Fine by me if you cannot replace the UI. But remember, now that the phone has a fully customizable "Home" that devs can integrate into, their will probably be nothing keeping devs from being able to create their own parts like stated above for the home. Since it is all 3D based in the first place, it does remove the need for a complete "app" style of home screen replacement like we have now. From what it looks like though putting a few home "tabs" that get you the little extras like weather and twitter, stocks, etc will be really easy and the rest would already have been taken care of within the stock UI. With everything integrated and ready to go on the fly, it will be really nice being able to fly from one side of the phone to the other so to speak.

I believe we all need to look at WP7 as a really open book. It may look like a closed system at first (XDA will change that of course) but Microsoft knows it needs Dev's to really get WP7 out there and competitive with the other big 2. With the ease of creating content and the fact that now there is a central place to get stuff (with of course like android, a future way to install outside of the market) as well as seamless integration between PC/Phone/X360. It will really entice companies to make an "app" for WP7 just like they already do for iPhone and Android. The main thing I believe was a major problem with WinMo, is not all apps work on all devices. With Microsoft setting a required minimum "Standard" and regulating the future direction of the devices, it will almost guarantee that every app will work on every phone. Of course future hardware may run more Advanced apps, but we will cross that bridge when we come to it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] IM0001:
I had to take a 2nd glance at this. This looks really neat lol. I am guessing this may be something similar to what they could do at a minimal level. Though HTC did post earlier renderings showing the current style Sense on WP7. Only time will tell but either design would be pretty cool.

What is also good now though is no longer do we need Sense to integrate the phones with the likes of Facebook and such. All that is done by the phone now (HTC probably really gave Microsoft some of the ideas.) That would again leave Sense to just have to interface with the phone in a much leaner way.

It would be cool if customizing the Home was as simple as writing a script that just tells the phone how you want the layout to look, Since the home screen looks to be separate to the rest of the phones integrated interface, what would be the problem with making buttons that float, have shadows, are either more rounded, or organized differently (think Sense button style, hell iPhone style). The next thing would be Font.. I like it but others may want something different.

Edit: Here is the link I mention HTC Sense with the WP7. It's a bit old but who knows. It is HTC after all.

Sense in WP7?
[Windows Phone 7 General] MHC48:
Very cool. Did you make the mock up, Kloc, or did you see it somewhere on or from HTC?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Windcape:
Seems there's another good reason not to buy a HTC when it comes to WP7 :p

Personally I'm vouching for Samsung.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
One thing about that mockup... unless MS allows HTC to have a background task or allows some other sort of exception, the two tab clock really isn't going to be feasible. As it stands, HTC would have to have a web service that sends out a push notification to every HTC device every single minute. That's just not technically feasible and would be really hard on the battery life (even with it just being a low impact push notification).
[Windows Phone 7 General] Windcape:
Good point with the notification requirement. But honestly, why would we also need a big ass clock on the home screen -- I think the default calendar tile will be more intuitive, and that the lock-screen will show a actual clock, so it really shouldn't be necessary with a "sense style" clock.

HTC need to let Sense die, and give Android 2.3 without Sense, and WP7 with WP7 default.
[Windows Phone 7 General] IM0001:
You do know that Sense can be turned off if you didn't like it on any and all phones that have it?

Some of us like Sense and I bet HTC could do something pretty need with it for WP7 if they so chose.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Windcape:
The problem with Sense on Android is that it is the reason for HTC postponing major updates for many months. And average Joe don't turn off Sense if it's first there.

A unified OS layout makes it much easier to make good applications the user know how to use. It's a problem Android suffers from (more than iPhone), to ambiguous layout between applications due to to much freedom.

Microsoft took this path to avoid that. Windows in general always offered a great environment with uniform looking applications. I think Mac OS X is the only platform who managed to do the same.
[Windows Phone 7 General] daniel-t:
I can understand adding the weather and clock apps as tiles on the screen, but it should use the Metro UI fonts and styles, or at least have a setting in the app itself to decide how the tile should look.
[Windows Phone 7 General] fochizel2000:
I like the stock deal better, but I like the idea of the forward button being on the bottom, using less space. There is a hardware back button, so only the forward makes sense on the bottom.

That being said, I think your design is better then iPhone or Androud UI's

Cheers...
[Windows Phone 7 General] IM0001:
I don't see Updates coming from HTC fast on any device. That is why as a XDA-Member you have access to all the early updates you can get your hands on. With and Without Sense :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] ari-free:
It looks like a frankenstein OS. Very rich mixed with very simple.
[Windows Phone 7 General] bkf1:
I agree;) Fancy graphics cannot be put together with this MS... terminal graphics...:)
[Windows Phone 7 General] ari-free:
Even windows 3.1 had better icons :(
[Windows Phone 7 General] jozef.kocur:
I am new to xda-developers, so I can't add images.....

I redesigned WP7, too :)

If you want to see my changes please visit my blog: jozefkocur.blogspot.com

Major changes: Aero integration, statusbar, own background, screen for widgets, Control Panel....

visit: jozefkocur.blogspot.com
[Windows Phone 7 General] Moronism:
Aero + backgrounds on WP7 is actually a great idea, and should be seriously considered by Microsoft as a future addition. It personalizes the phone and makes it more inviting, without sacrificing the essentials of the interface presented.

I'm not too fond of widgets in the first place - maybe the widget screen could serve as an alternative to lock screen, but I feel it causes a conflict with start screen and undermines the philosophy of the UI.

I suggest the control panel be presented on the left/right edge of the screen. That way, it utilizes the leftover space and does not intrude into the tile system. The icons are small enough and could be easily rearranged - maybe introduce an icon in the bottom corner to bring up the panel itself?

It seems more like a slight tweak/streamline rather than a redesign of Metro, but that's all right. I like it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] daniel-t:
Just before the announcement, and with my wish for some Zune UI elements being included, I came up with these designs, but do you know what?

http://www.mdtadesign.co.uk/windows-phone-7-ideas/

What they came up with was a million times better than what I came up with, and I Love the Metro UI!!!!
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
The problem I have with background pictures, and it's even a problem with how they've implemented it already, if you have any bit of white in your picture, it makes the text hard to read. There's no "chrome" surrounding the text to sorta protect it from the background.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Moronism:
Yeah, chrome would usually be the solution of choice, but it defeats the point of 'chromeless', I guess.

Actually, there is a b&w background in one of the pictures for the J&K implementation which is a pretty good solution: simply darken everything in the vicinity of the tile.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gom99:
I'm with you 100% here. Widgets are ok in theory but in practice they're hodge podge. You never really get that unified look you're going for if you have a few 3rd party widgets.

I disabled them on my omnia II and just went with titanium for that constant look n feel and depth of information at a glance. Also there's just something clean about simple typography.
[Windows Phone 7 General] havox22:
this is nice im not sure if i like it better the what MS came up with, but i am leaning the way of yours tho
[Windows Phone 7 General] Iridox:
The backgrounds actually do look nice with the barely-transparent menu tiles.
[Desire Android Development] ameruxxh17:
hi all users

thanks to richardtrip,paul@modaco,chainsDD,and others for your help :)

here my first froyo rom for test based on defrost 1.0

stock max 998Mhz NO undervolt.

kernel 2.6.32.9 r15

video recording DON'T work

apps2sd via spare parts included on rom

UI system modded

add cache cleaner

..... brightness profiles

..... nexus torch froyo

..... shazam

..... titanium backup (not full)

..... wieget reboot

..... music player modded

..... dialer modded

..... lancher modded

..... hotspot wifi

..... wifi tether

..... carhome

..... youtube modded

..... W7+nexus one bootanimation

..... semi-transparent status bar

and ??? what else..... :)

i have used AhmgskMod.Desire.Recovery.V1

full wipe needed for rom use

battery life ! must wait.

in moment No bugs detected.

good luck and enjoy :)

LINK ROM http://www.mediafire.com/?tyqmumdxx4x

MD5

E1A702F61ECE2332778CD6E90F07EABE

If you like my work https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=52WDKEVC5DN2E
[Desire Android Development] maddoxus:
Great to see a froyo rom, I liked your 2.1 rom, great modding of the frameworks, downloading soon, and testing then. Can we excpect that you will go for FRF72 Rom soon? Maybe you can easily update this one:D?
[Desire Android Development] Bart1981:
So are there still any bugs in here like a light sensor that does not work, or camera/filming function that does not work?

Further on it looks really nice!!!

Keep up the superb work!
[Desire Android Development] ameruxxh17:
Amer_Froyox_Explicit_V1

hi

for the moment only video recorder doesn't work.
[Desire Android Development] Bart1981:
Hmmm oke, when this is working I definately go to froyo.
[Desire Android Development] Eagle_89:
hi wi-fi work but not connect,maybe cause i have new radio 4.06.00 16_2?
[Desire Android Development] Kookitza:
4 me 2 :(:confused:
[Desire Android Development] ameruxxh17:
Amer_Froyox_Explicit_V1

hi

in moment i have radio 4.06.00.02_2

and the wifi tether work perfect
[Desire Android Development] Eagle_89:
sorry but wi-fi tether work perfect,wi-fi found internet line but not connect.
[Desire Android Development] ameruxxh17:
Amer_Froyox_Explicit_V1

hi

wifi work for me!!!
[Desire Android Development] millen:
Excellent, amer, u have been waiting for a froyo Rom from you. But what is the battery drain in this Rom? It was impressive on the 2.1 Rom. So what to expect here?

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Sent via the XDA Tapatalk App
[Desire Android Development] Ajthescot:
do i have to repartion my sd card coming from your bravox final release.
[Desire Android Development] ameruxxh17:
Amer_Froyox_Explicit_V1

hi

you must all wipe

partition sd included on rom via spare parts

froyo don't support sd partition
[Desire Android Development] Ajthescot:
thanks mate for reply and the awesome builds.

ill try this in the am
[Desire Android Development] diego4t:
just downloading. will flash and report back :D
[Desire Android Development] Eagle_89:
so...on my Desire , even with the radio 02_2 the WLAN doesn't work
[Desire Android Development] diego4t:
seems nice. just not a fan of the theme so flashed cyanogen.
[Desire Android Development] majc63:
wi-fi found internet line but not connect:(
[Desire Android Development] odyseus:
Tried to install (using Fake flash etc) but bombed out with an error in line 7??? Maybe the zip file I downloaded got corrupted?

Cheers

John
[Desire Android Development] majc63:
？？？？？？？wifi
[HD2 General] Ultrasone:
Due to the fact that I can't buy an Evo 4G cause I'm on a GSM network in Europe,I was thinking about getting an Hd 2...although it's not great,it has the gigantic 4.3 inches screen...

So,will a version of Android be ported onto this device ? Or WP 7 - when it comes out,obviously...Or should I wait until a GSM version of the Evo is rolled out ? If that happens,anyway...
[HD2 General] random_username_:
there are people working very hard on it and they have made some good progress, they say it is very likely to happen it however they have given no specific time frame in which it will be achieved so we will just have to wait and see. Even if it does get ported though it wont be fully functional at first(if ever) and you probably wont be able to replace windows mobile with it for daily use.

for more info check out this thread: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=651632
[HD2 General] eenbox:
I do not think it will happen... or even better by the time that happens there will be much more cheaper and better equipped devices to have on the market in comparison with HD2 running android - better believe it that will be the case.

On another hand being in Europe, why not go for HTC Incredible? http://www.htc.com/www/product/desire/specification.html

It has Android, bit smaller screen but 3.7 with the same resolution is not that bad at all ... keep it in mind this model on amazon.com is about 750-800USD
[HD2 General] Ultrasone:
Well.I wanted a big screen ... 3.7 is ok but not big enough ...I think I'll stick with my TP and see...I also wanted a BBerry 8520 cause it looks nice , but it's not spectacular enough :))