yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Off-topic] Agent Zach:
If there were a Like button or a "Thanks" button, I'd have clicked it. :P
[Off-topic] spyrale:
Dinik, it seems to me that you are missing the point, people are not complaining about rules (well, yes, but it's not the real problem), people are complaining about your attitude to have everything under control and other things that you (intentionally?) do not mention in your rules like the donate button, ethically questionable, but i do not wish to comment on this. there is nothing wrong about rules, but when you introduce rules you must know that someone eventually will break them, shame on them, you can't do anything about that. you mentioned Maxsense, you capture similarities, but you don't seem to understand differences...energy rom with maxsense is called "ENERGY MAXSENSE", not "MAXCY ENERGY MAXSENSE", elegancia rom with maxsense is called "ELEGANCIA MAXSENSE", not "MAXCY ELEGANCIA MAXSENSE", see what i mean? people (myself included) respect you as an artist, but are not convinced about your ethical attitude that seems a little bit incongruent with XDA sharing and democratic soul. i'm sad when i see people bashing on you because i know you can do much better and you already made a lot for the whole community. a great step forward was made opening the thread "DINIK - ANASTASIA - MODS - By You"...you will get to the point when you will be so self-confident to give up your nickname and let them open their threads. most of them will give you credit without asking, without imposing, if they not there will other people or moderators that will rimind them why is fair to respect rules, you just waste too much energies on control, and btw, control is a demonstration of insecurity, not of power ;)
[Off-topic] huggy_72:
Ciao spirale,

would be even better if people knew management completely without rules

and is already a contradiction in itself create rules in a place where people can search for tools to break the rules!
[Off-topic] spyrale:
ciao huggy :)

i understand what you are saying, but i think it is a contradiction until we distinguish different levels of rules. here we are talking about rules functional to a peaceful coexistence, not about rules linked to a "legal" system. even warez forums have their rules. but rules, in order to work, must be shared, people need to believe and to understand that following a rule is convenient and useful for themself, in a democratic context rules must serve everybody, not just who introduced them. i'm not saying that dinik has not the right to have his rules, we all have, i'm just saying that, maybe, there is no need for others rules as XDA already have. i always read about dinik rules, but, if these rules are identical to XDA rules, why does dinik need them???

p.s. faccio una fatica tremenda ad esprimermi in inglese, spero di essermi fatto capire :)
[Off-topic] dinik:
ok so how about that:

im posting a rom and asks to not rip my works out of it...what happens...few hours later there is discussion on how to do it!

MaxSense is released...the same...ask not to rip it of roms...no one do it!

i dont see any difference...i just want the same...if i wish for something...people should understand it and follow my wish.
[Off-topic] spyrale:
you don't see any difference?:) "dinik= i'm posting a rom and ask not to rip---> discussion on how to do it" "maxcy= maxsense released, ask not to rip--->NO ONE DO IT". do you see now? the rule is the same, the difference is elsewhere, that is i'm trying to make you understand. even blackmailing users that you will not publish stuff no more is wrong...if you stop publishing you are just going to damage yourself. talents not shared are useless, even for you.
[Off-topic] huggy_72:
@ Dinik,

now there is a particular situation you know

anyway you are legitimate to ask for not posting

the rip of your work and every your rules is ok

for me.

But people talking about function of cfc , developped

from a great dev and mod of this forum, where your great work

as born, maked exactly for this ,ripping, is totally legittimate.

Please think on this
[Off-topic] huggy_72:
yes i understand what you say,

and i think Dinik was in some form forced to put his own rules on evidence,

if i remember right he as start some "question" whit other member then the not respect of his work started!!

I think to, as you suggested, exist alternative way out over put rules and ask

to mod to deleted post/thread , Dinik as make good choice when he as open the Dinik_Anastasia_Mods_by you thread, and i hope he want go on this direction

anch'io faccio una gran fatica con sto inglese...

unc continuo copia e incolla e coreggi da google :)
[Off-topic] Father Ted:
I had no intention of posting anything further as regards DINIK, (the whole thing is like a bad toothache)....... but this made me laugh out loud!

From DINIK's Miri's new 6.5 ROM thread HERE

And that epitomises the problem!

Perfectly!

DINIK:

NOBODY is trying to steal 'Anastasia'.

NOBOBY is denying the amount of work you put into creating it, evolving it and developing it...... and with the exception of 1 or 2 people that I am aware of, EVERYBOBY thinks the 'anastasia' theme is excellent, and a very sweet asset to our HTC's

So let's get that clear! - EVERYONE thinks you have done a fantastic job, and NOBODY is trying to copy 'anastasia', or/and claim 'anastasia as theirs.

N-O-B-O-D-Y

So what's the real problem then?

Why are you getting so much hassle?

The real problem is NOT what you see on your computer screen DINIK..... but what you DO see in a mirror!

You come in here and throw a big juicy steak into the lions den, and then dictate which lion can and cannot eat it.

That's crazy........... especially on xda - a place full of lions with very sharp teeth!

But yet, you still think it's ok for YOU to eat the sirloin steak that jaguaralani threw in, the T-Bone steak that Cookie threw in, etc, etc,....... that all food in this lions den is at your disposal and for your consumption without the need to ask for it or thank anyone for it.

You eat very well DINIK!

As we all do.

But for the meat that you bring, you demand that everyone dances to your tune and abide by your draconian and ridiculous rules!

As I say DINIK, nobody is saying it's not your big juicy lump of 'anastasia' steak, and nobody is going to try and take it off you and claim they supplied it - but you need to look in a mirror and ask yourself why people are biting you when we all know you steal jaguaralani's meat and don't even ask or thank him as you constantly demand everyone else has to do if they want to taste your gourmet food.

And that, DINIK, it what is really going on!

That is why everyone is fed up with you - NOT anastasia, but YOU!

Double standards mate!..............And you are FULL of them!
[Off-topic] M_T_M:
Confused..

Don't know what any of you guys is talking about..bot TPAM made me hungry :eek:
[Off-topic] kurt-willems:
Attention!

People please be polite!

I don't will remember it!
[Off-topic] Father Ted:
Kurt..... I AM being polite.

I am pointing out, as politely as possible, using jaguaralani as a perfect example, that DINIK needs to "practice what he preaches".....

Everyone

knows that's the real issue, and if someone can explain that to DINIK more politely that I have just done, then please do.
[Off-topic] Peew971:
He was polite, no worries there.
[Off-topic] kurt-willems:
I don't have referred to a specific person!

Just a general comment!

:)

till here everything is okay! I mentioned it just to ensure that it will remains so!
[Off-topic] djcedric:
yes this is indeed a very good example and that is what the most users or better the designers and developers are thinking about this,you know dinik there are 3 different minds here on xda:

1.moderators

2.skinners/developers

3.users

the users are happy that they can use your work of course,also work from other skinners/developers.

the skinners/developers have another vision about this,the prove is a very good example whit me,jaguaralani and some others(don't want to write them all)

and moderators have also another vision about this,why do you think its so difficult for the moderators?because the most skinners/developpers have do much things here before you but with another vision and with much more happiness and fun but with the same results as credits,permissions....

if you continue to be mad every time ,all your rules will be broken much more as you don't be mad.

your rules are keep it clean and don't post,use it for private use,ok no problem but don't ask to not rip them because you can't fight for this it will always happen,just a little bit more if you have always a reaction like you have them always.

im very sorry if i can't write for 100% what i think about it because of my poor English but the most will understand it(i hope).

dinik as i have say in the past,your work is very nice,your attitude is not ;)

now i hope we can work all together without fighting like before :)
[Off-topic] spyrale:
as we can see...nobody is perfect..., I assume that if you had intention you would have written "La Divina Commedia"...

just joking Father Ted :D
[Off-topic] Father Ted:
If I could be so bold, with respect, as to point out that group group 3 is divided into two parts.

3A. donators

3B. vultures

I like to consider myself in 3A

I have given more money on this forum in donations than I have spent downloading applications from other sources in total.

I have bought everything from G-Alarm to Coreplayer.... and many other applications from many websites, but most of my money has been donated to the developers on xda.

And rightly so!

The quality of material on xda far exceeds anything available on the internet, and whilst I do not have the talent or ability to do what group 1 and 2 do, I therefore have a responsibility to support and encourage them.

That is why I feel I have a right to voice my opinion on this forum.

I may not be able to create or develop, but I am willing to help in whatever way I can.

I was fortunate, and honoured, to help Cookie with the translation for CHT, even though he had to guide me like a child through the process.

But ultimately, the best I can do is dip my hand in my pocket and say thanks. It's all I have.

I just wish many many more of the membership of this forum would do the same.

Vultures.
[Off-topic] M_T_M:
So very humble of you :cool:

Plus....people that donate usually get a star by their name...just wondering :rolleyes:
[Off-topic] Father Ted:
Thank you...... but my humility is when I look at my phone and realise that that people on this forum made it the unique entity it is - and that very much includes DINIK.

I don't look for, or particularly want stars......... and I am not, under any circumstances, looking for thanks.

Quite the reverse in fact.

I am doing the thanking.

I just wanted to clarify that that all I have said in various posts, is done so with the same sincerity and passion for what goes on in xda as those who actually do the creating and put hours upon hours of work into something for me to look at and appreciate.

We all have a role to play, no matter how small or insignificant, and I wouldn't want anyone to think that I am merely a vulture spouting **** and complaining.

That would be soooooo wrong!
[Off-topic] Father Ted:
........... and that's two belly laughs xda have given me today.

Good one.
[Off-topic] Bruce Inman:
Stars are only for XDA donations, not to developers.

Thanks for the laughs guys.... :D
[Off-topic] ahirshfield:
<cough> No ripping? <cough> Do you realize where we you are posting?!

Dinik, Just one thing to consider here please...

Let me prefix this by saying that I've only ever used your keyboard and it is a very nice skin. Same with the slider. Sparse glass parts can be beautiful. On the other hand, the icons are just not my cup-of-tea. To me, I feel the icon images are overwhelmed by the constant borders and large margins around the images. And the glass reflection layer covering the actual icon image can be distracting from the main icon image. But obviously many, many people do like them, so it is all just personal taste. ;)

That said, here is my single point regarding your rules, requests and comment I quoted above:

Without this community (that may have also downloaded your icons so many times) ripping works out of roms (EXT packages, XIP/SYS, drivers, applications, etc), there would be no custom ROMs (Miri or otherwise) for your theme to exist in.

The original/stock roms are, for all intent and purposes, the REAL intellectual property of genuine Artistic and Development giants like HTC and Microsoft. They have had the good fortune to recognize XDA as the great resource that it is; and, despite their actual copyrights, legalities and ownership of code & graphics, made the fortunate judgement to allow all the XDA ripping and modding to continue.

If HTC or MS decided that all new development branches and leaked WinMob builds, were exclusively their property and not to be posted elsewhere; and that roms & applications from a particular device where to be 'Exclusive' to only that model device - what would happen to you, me and this whole community?!

Perhaps your distribution rules and tactics should take a lesson from that example?...

All the best and thank you again for all the effort and hard work you provide(d) into this community.

Hirshy
[Off-topic] dinik:
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[Off-topic] the_scotsman:
Those suns are the SAME image, only modified....someone has copied the other's....look at the edges of the sun's they are IDENTICAL.....

jaguaralani 's sun:

Dinik's sun:
[Off-topic] kurt-willems:
I have read this post of you 4 times times because my english is not well :) and 2 times because on respect to it, and you!

well said.
[Off-topic] dinik:
they are familiar...but not the same...trust me...i didnt took that one from jaguaralani...i have also jaguaralanis on my dvd (maybe it was made by the same person...dont know)...so thats not exactly jaguaralanis from the start

you know what...you just dont stop..even now you want me to tell that im stealing!

WHATS WRONG WITH YOU?! JUST STOP ATTACKING ME AND MY WORK! IM SICK OF ALL THIS! I SEE NO END COMING!

If i would use that planets posted by jaguaralani...i would ask him...but as this planets are not made by him...and hi didnt change a bit on it...its not his (jaguaralani have only made collection of icons....that icons can be found everywhere on Internet for free)...and just dont forget the fact...im using an another one...from my dvd!!!

jaguaralanis (this one is also not from his thread...its also from my dvd)

also this info is as readme for his icon on my dvd:

Free for non-commercial use. These icons are only for personal use only.

If you are interested in using these icons commercially please contact Guifx.

my
[Off-topic] Agent Zach:
Proof to back up dink, this jaguaralani we're talking about didn't MAKE the sun. And if he said he did, he is breaking not only the rules, but the LAW as well.

Proof:

http://www.iconarchive.com/show/solar-system-icons-by-dan-wiersma/Sun-icon.html

And if you want to ask permission from Dan to use his work:

http://danwiersema.com/
[Off-topic] Agent Zach:
But if he did pay for the DVD with the icons, he has legal rights to edit and distribute without permission. He can even, lawfully, take credit for the work.
[Off-topic] the_scotsman:
To quote from that site you linked to:

Both of these license agreements have been broken as far as I can see.
[Off-topic] Agent Zach:
But if either of them ordered the DVD, which you can order by emailing Dan, they can edit & release the icons within their work.

[I've been using Dans icons for atleast the past 6 months with emailed consent.]

Plus it's not like either of them are releasing the icon, itself, but including it within their work. Now if Dinik purchased the DVD, or even received permission from Dan himself, then no laws are being broken. Same goes with jaguaralani.
[Off-topic] Derbyman32:
This is posted directly from Dan Wiersema-------------

By: Dan Wiersema

Website: www.danwiersema.com

Description:

13 solar system icons inspired by objects in the Milky Way. Contains the Sun, Moon, 8 planets, and 3 dwarf planets.

License:

Free for non-commercial use. These icons are only for personal use only. You may not redistribute or modify these icons. Distributing these icons commercially or using them with intent for monetary gain is prohibited.

If you are interested in using these icons commercially please contact Guifx. (www.guifx.com)

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

So my question is this , that to an untrained eye like mine the edges of the sun look like they are from the same image and Guifx states>>>

You may not redistribute or modify these icons. Distributing these icons commercially or using them with intent for monetary gain is prohibited

So if they are modified and they are used on a site asking for donations is this not a violation of the copyright? Again this is a only a question, so could you please explain if I am looking at this and making the wrong conclusion.
[Off-topic] ClementNg23:
Opinions

woah CALM DOWN everybody.......

It's only 24 hrs and you people are having a 7pg long conflict posts already.

I know how hard it is to skin stuff its painfully time consuming I have tried it before...

I know how fun it is to steal stuff from people and I have not done it before...

But just one word, you all know what youre doing. So just grow up and stop acting like a kid please.... these conflicts are just sick and annoying...

In other words, this can be considered cyber bullying... the term you have all heard from school before Im sure.

So to conclude all the mess I typed up there :P , I just wanted to say

- Read the forum rules and please obey them

- Respect people's work and give credits when using them

- Calm down and stop the cyber bullying going on.

- Try keeping the forum a happy place for all the community

lol I hope Im not gonna get raged or spammed :eek:

and I recon DINIK should deserve a hug... :D

Happy forum serfing :cool:
[Off-topic] Agent Zach:
Exactly as stated.

Even if dinik didn't have consent, the SUN he used shows less than 10% of the icon... so "morally" he didn't really modify the icon, though jaguaralani simply used the icon. Neither distributed the icons in a raw format.

I know for a FACT dinik is not making users pay for his work, so there is no intent for monetary gain... and as stated above, in number 1, he didn't necessarily modify the work. Adding an overlay image over an icon, covering almost ALL of the icon, pretty much nullifies Dans icon in the first place. :P

But all in all... remember, xda-dev ROMs are also copyright infringement. Modifying Windows Mobile and HTC tools [like Sense, etc..] is in fact against the law.

Modifying Windows Mobile and releasing it to the public is the equivalent of pirating a copy of Windows 7, adding your own theme and pre-loaded software, then re-releasing it.

Modifying HTC tools, like Sense, is the equivalent of de-compiling software to manipulate it for PUBLIC use... [most commonly done for Cracking Software]

Maybe it's better to just let this go, no one can win. If we use Custom ROMs, legally, we're pirates. If you Cook ROMs and distribute them, you're editing and distributing LICENSED software without permission.

In other words, all of us are doing wrong. We're all as bad as people are making dinik out to be.

Contradiction at its finest.
[Off-topic] Derbyman32:
Very well said and your point is made. I can agree with letting it go because you are pretty much to the point. Thank you for taking the time to articulate.
[Off-topic] dinik:
guys...why so much anger?

1. there are no thank on my rom thred? yes (i can change it if you wish)...but i just using it and not the one who is created it...im only that part with graphics...so the only one who i can thank is...photoshop...htc...and maybe cookie...also if you wanna see thank to...go to htc pedia...and there are many thx in miris post..as he is cooking the rom

2.talking about the planets...i have a dvd...there are thousands of graphics inside...bought it in moscow...and the sun that im using...is from different set as that using jaguaralani...so there is no conflict here at all.

3. you attackers...need to cool down! what exactly are you fighting for?

me to stop posting?

or you want just have all what i create?

did it piss you so much of...that some parts of what i do are now exclusive for miri?

BTW: talking about miri...he was also here...and was very popular with his roms...and as i know did nothing wrong...did only good roms for free...WHATS HAPPENED??? WHY Miri LEAVED???

Because as i know and remember...he was also attacked by some user like you...he was sick of it...and leaved xda.

DONT YOU GET IT?! with this attacks on authors...you loosing them...there is no sense in your actions!
[Off-topic] marko987:
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ok guys few of you are unfair with dinik...I am just a user of wm not dev and ppl like me likes dinik work.his graphics are best on xda(my opinion and can say more then 80% xda members)now if he have rules you have to play as the rules say.if he want you write dinik is best you need to write if you dont like it YOU GO AND MAKE SOMETHING GOOD AS ANASTASIA AND STOP ANNOYING US USERS FORCING DINIK TO STOP WORK ON ANASTASIA.Lots of you are right when say this is share site ok lets see he share enough work or all he have.now someone say something about donation...DO you know how much time is needed to someone ALONE make something like anastasia I think lot and maybe he is needed some extra cash because he spend lots of time making it,its his thing I would like donations on his place too no one FORCE you to donate.

but main thing is that some devs are jealous because anastasia is probably most famous thing on xda write now and some guys want their name be famous as diniks is well guys you have to make your own anastasia and not to take some other hard work make some changes and say look what I made.

I am on xda from hd2 about 8 months and dinik work is best I have seen until now so LEAVE MAN ALONE and I would be glad someone make some new anastasia fame graphic he will get congrats from me too as dinik have now

DINIK GREAT WORK MAN USERS SUPPORTS YOU THAT SHOULD BE ENOUGH FOR YOU TO MAKE MORE ANASTASIA STUFF AND SPECIAL THANKS FOR MAKING MY WISH FOR 6.5 ROM
[Off-topic] marko987:
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well that is mods job they shoud know what to do with that comments
[Off-topic] kurt-willems:
just a question to stay still on it!

To all the people who are righting here!!

May I asked you a simple question;

What is the problem; do you have a problem whit the fact a creator post some rules on his work? Ore are you tray to organizes a person vandetta to one people???

I don't understand it not more?

Not only you take the risk that someone leaf xda; but also important you can block some new creators to post there work here.

Personally I will not be surprise if someone don't will post his work here, if he see which problems it can cause!

Ps; I don't attack someone in particular, It is only a thing to think about it!!
[Off-topic] spyrale:
ok...this is getting nowhere, accusing each other of "stealing" that and this leads to nowhere, taking part with dinik or against dinik is just a semplification, a way to not think, to not elaborate. dinik is not the devil, is not the saviour, is not iron man, even if he can think he's, is just a human being, like everyone else. i tried to underline that rules are not the real deal we are discussing, we are discussing about attitude and principles above the rules of one specific person, but in the end you know what? this is useless. dinik keeps thinkin' people are jealous or angry with him for not sharing or whatever, he's treating his works like the iron man's suit (avatar is not a coincidence), he's just not aware of what is going on here. on the other hand there are people over-reacting, taking things on a personal way, like a war between good and evil. dinik is not acting in an empty social space, everything is connected.

i think i might just give up on this :D