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[Nexus One General] OutlawPro:
Apple smapple...why give them the satisfaction of even being a slight bother to you? Anyway...

The way I see it, Apple only has to deal with one OS on one phone. I will concede that there are a few different phones and that pad thingy, however they all a very similar (aren't they all manufactured by foxconn?). Apple also, up until very recently, only had to deal with one provider. With these points and a the fact the Apple os is closed, its fairly easy to understand how Apple has no problem setting firm dates and has the opportunity for better marketing (beside the fact they've been doing it for a few decades now).

On the other hand, Google only produces the OS. This OS has to work on handfuls of different hardware that is manufactured by handfuls of different companies (HTC, Motorola, Samsung, Sony, Comptiva..etc). Also, they have no previous marketing experience for consumer based products. The search engine marketing of the past wasn't targeted to Joe Blow consumer.

So, as much as I would like one, I don't fault Google for not being able to provide a concrete release date.
[Nexus One General] attn1:
Wrong. As of July 24th, 4 different iphones, several ipod touches and the Ipad will all be able to use iOS 4. How many different devices is that? Eight?

The devices are not all the same, even if they look that way. So Apples supports both hardware and software on a myriad of devices.

Wrong again. Google is responsible for software support of the Nexus One, which manufactured by HTC is still is their product, and not just the OS.

There's ONE phone that they've committed to provide an update to Android 2.2, and that's the Nexus One.

Google is not responsible for updating Samsung, other HTC devices, Motorola, Acer or any other brand device. That is up to those manufacturers and the service providers who use sell those devices.

So if you want to argue nature of the beast like others have, fine, but don't come with analogies backed up with incorrect facts. Then opinion is irrelevant.
[Nexus One General] :
Myriad? lol
[Nexus One General] whorehay:
1) iPad will NOT have iOS 4 until Fall 2010.

2) Only iPhone 3G, 3GS, and 4 will be able to run iOS 4. That is 3 iPhones. and the 3G will be limited, with no user-selectable background or multitasking.

3) I believe only the two most recent generations of iPod touch will be able to run. I'd say that's 2 revisions of iPod touch. And the older one won't have multitasking.

So technically, 3 devices will be able to run it with most all of the features, while the other 2 are crippled. No where near the "8" you are claiming.
[Nexus One General] Blueman101:
No, im pretty sure the iPhone 3g was NOT going to get iOS4, only the 3Gs ans 4 will get it.
[Nexus One General] attn1:
Yep, according to this: http://www.apple.com/ipodtouch/ios4-software-update.html only second and third gen iPod touches get iOS 4.

I didn't realize the original iPhone/iPod touch devices weren't getting iOS 4. Thanks for the correction.

Still, 5 devices total, 2 with multitasking disabled because of memory constraints is more than Google's 1 device.
[Nexus One General] attn1:
iPhone 3g definitely is, but won't get Apple's multitasking. That will take "jailbreaking".
[Nexus One General] Blueman101:
What ONE device are you talking about? From what i know of most new phones are already confirmed to get 2.2.
[Nexus One General] OutlawPro:
Wow! 8 devices! All of which are very very similar. How many different android devices are there and how varied is the hardware?

The fact is, the N1 is still an HTC phone. All iPhones are Apple (and yes, I know they don't make the hardware, but they do dictate everything about it.) And hardware support for the N1 ultimately ends with HTC, not Google.

I know Google isn't responsible for updating any phone other than the N1 but that doesn't mean they don't need to make sure the OS will work on other hardware.

So, my point still stands. Apple has to support a whopping 8 similar devices (assuming they still support the original iPhone) while Google has to make sure their software will run on many many more devices.

Basically your facts are irrelevant to the argument because they don't counter anything I stated. Nor do they change the fact that Apple has been in the Marketing business a lot longer than Google.
[Nexus One General] attn1:
Google has one device to worry about with regards to Android 2.2; the Nexus One. Just one. The rest are up to others to migrate to Android 2.2, not Google.

Ask the guys porting Android to the iPhone just how similar each device is. Each gen has feature or chipset updates requiring new drivers and seperate consideration. They may look the same to you, but they are in fact very different. If you are at all familiar with how Apples does things, then you know that even when things change dramatically under the hood, they change very little about the interface and what they present to the user, to keep learning curves down and provide a greater feeling of simplicity and uniformity when migrating from one generation of a product to the next. It's by design. If you don't want to believe it, then that's fine, because even if every one were identical, Apple is still be better at project and release management than Google is.

And if you can count to five and follow simple logic, you'll see that Google in any event has less to support than Apple, and therefore your point is not only non-existent, but you've made mine. And, you've also just re-inforced what I have said several times already: Apple has been doing this for a long time - a lot longer than Google. Perhaps Google could take a lesson. I don't like a lot about what Apple does and I don't like the way they spoon feed their users their brand of cool-aide, but to not recognize their strengths because of blind brand loyalty is just.....

"Know your enemy" - Sun Tzu's "The Art of War"
[Nexus One General] :
A company that has been doing hardware for decades has better product support than a company that has been around for less than 1 decade and is launching it's first retail consumer product?

Who would have thunketh!
[Nexus One General] Blueman101:
No, you are wrong, google is loyal to the n1 but, still very loyal to htc and motorola. 2.2 is developed to all android phones.

All the iphones use the basic same software, modding is a different story but as far as the end user is concerned they are all the same.
[Nexus One General] attn1:
I'm not wrong. Motorola and HTC and Samsung and whoever else uses Android on their phones starts with the same open source Google does to support the Nexus One.

They do not provide any kind of support, hardware or software, for other devices.

Do they consult? Sure, I bet they do from time to time. The fact remains, they have responsibility to support one device for the foreseeable future on Android 2.2: the Nexus One. Just One. It's not about loyalty, it's about ownership of the support responsibilities of the Nexus One compared to other current Android devices.

You guys can keep trying to make these excuses for how Google manages this stuff, but they just don't hold water.
[Nexus One General] attn1:
LOL. Okay, you're a puzzle.
[Nexus One General] Blueman101:
Google works with the developers of the phone to help them get android on their phone, google is currently focusing on the nexus one but they are not supporting only the n1. Pull YOUR head out of the sand and stop trolling
[Nexus One General] attn1:
The purpose of open source is not so Google can support every Android device that comes down the pike. That would be corporate suicide. It's to provide a common software platform that anyone can use to apply to any device where practical.

HTC does whatever they want with Android - hence SenseUI. So does Motorola - resulting more recently with Motoblurry. And if you don't think Motorola is capable of implementing open source Android on a phone without Google's help, then you don't know much about Motorola.

Almost every hardware vendor is taking Android source and remaking Android their own way, and they don't need Google to do it. If that's a particularly wise path has been topic for a lot of completely different discussions, but the fact that they do it illustrates that they aren't so locked in with Google as we might hope. Ask HTC Hero owners in Europe or Canada about how their upgrades to 2.1 have been going. That's not Google's issue.

Google only has software support responsibility for the Nexus One on Android 2.2 and no other current device.

By the way, that's pretty pithy. I'm so speechless.
[Nexus One General] Blueman101:
Perhaps im a bit lost as to what were arguing. What are you trying to get at by showing that Google is only responsible for the n1?
[Nexus One General] Eclair~:
Are you not informed? Google provides the software (sources, whatever), and it is up the device manufactures to put the software they provide on the devices they distribute.

(repeated) Google puts what is needed out there, and it is up to whomever to actually grab a hold of opportunity and use what Google has given on what they are going to sell. It is not exactly Google's fault that mostly every device out there is on an outdated version of Android. It is Motorola's, Samsung's, HTC's, and whoever else provides Androids.
[Nexus One General] :
Google does not work indepently of manufactures. That would be ridiculous. It seems that this time around mfgs are realizing android is something worth pursuing. Which is why you've seen froyo leaks for the droid based on FRF57.

Google is not developing android in the dark without input from other big players:

What Google is doing with android is unprecedented, so you can't expect it to fit the cookie cutter patterns of normal development.
[Nexus One General] :
iOS4 is being rolled out.

rant in 3...2...1...
[Nexus One General] GldRush98:
Froyo is July.
[Nexus One General] Schwacker:
Correct. It's being rolled out and already they have been reports of several bugs (most common - blurry photos). Sounds like the evil empire did not do a quality check before release....

So take your time Google to ensure a smooth roll out.....just don't take too much time ;)
[Nexus One General] P00r:
Ios4

ISO4 What's that ?

I simply don't care about apple, I do not care about Froyo release either since I already run it, google anounced the release and boum the day after we where running it...

I do care about source code avail of froyo tho, so that rom cooker can do their stuff ;)
[Nexus One General] gratti:
I like to think a little analogy when it comes to this Google vs Apple thing...

Both companies develop something cool. The diference between them is simples as it follows:

- Google: Look how cool is this!! Well, is not done yet, so we don't when is gonna be available for ya, but come here and use it, play around with it, tell us what u think. Just do it at your own risks.

- Apple: Look how cool is this!! Well, is not done yet, so you can't have it, and I'll do my best to avoid you from getting in touch with this... unless.... u pay 99 bucks to become a dev for us. But we will release this in 6 months. Kinda. kkthxbye.

Im pretty happy with my N1 and that leaked FRF72.... is so easy to get stuff into my phone that I don't care at all if it's official. I just like try stuff out. And I rather have it and have fun with it, than wait for a certain date to get the thing ready.
[Nexus One General] Blueman101:
I have a better one

Google:

(conversation between google exec and worker)

Worker - "Boss our newest version of the Droid phone has been leaked what should we do?!"

Exec- "Nothing don't worry about it, their just fans"

Apple:

(conversation between Apple exec and worker)

Worker -"****, I left my phone in a bar, A guy picked it up and tried to find the owner. He eventually gave it to Gizmodo who contacted us telling us he had the phone, we denied it because we don't what things released early, he then analysed it and took pictures of it and posted it on his blog,what should we do?!"

Exec - "Call him and ask for the phone back, then once we have it back, send in the SWAT guys and confiscate every device in his house, then we try to arrest him and persecute him!"

Worker - "Thats brilliant Mr.Jobs!"

Exec - "I know, now laugh maniacally with me."

Both - "muHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH"

Exec - "Your wifi is ruining my laughing, turn it off!"

Worker - "Yes sir"

Both - (manically laughing continues)
[Nexus One General] RogerPodacter:
is the iphone 3gs significantly faster and smoother than the iphone 3g? cause the 3g i play with everyday, next to my nexus it is much choppier scrolling between pages of apps compared to the nexus. its choppy kinda like the evo is a bit. but nexus with launcher pro is smooth as butter.
[Nexus One General] adambenjamin:
The 3GS is significantly faster. Almost twice as fast, you definitely notice a difference, especially when opening programs. The being said, the Nexus One makes the 3GS feel like an ancient artifact. I have yet to get a hands on with the IOS4. But all I know is that Apple went down hill as soon as they hooked up with ATT. Every launch has been a terrible disappointment with bugs and wait times. The 3G launch was a disaster, I went to T-Mobile within a few weeks of it.
[Nexus One General] GragDroid:
signed :rolleyes:
[Nexus One General] Sindroid:
Tested a mate's 3GS vs my ol' but still hard struggling 2G.. The speed was twice as fast.

If one play alot of games, the 2G is quite dated to some resource hungry games and i have had a couple freezing my phone. Still the aluminium chassis is why i love the 2G. i bet the iPhone 4 gonna be eyecandy with glass on both side but more rougher around the edges. Other than that i would love to compare the 2G vs the iPhone 4.. that would be quite a difference.
[Nexus One General] :
In this thread people don't know what the term vaporware actually means.
[Nexus One General] x986123:
Please stop complaining. The pre-release is good enough to last a few weeks with me. Sure I want the full version... but come on! Just use what you have for now, it is still better than what iPhone has to offer.
[Nexus One General] attn1:
Look, there is a clear need for them to improve a few things about the way they roll things out. For you to tell people who are trying to acknowledge issues to "stop whining" and "act like an adult" and accusing them of "childish behaviour" is just inflammatory - and childish.
[Nexus One General] pjcforpres:
Road maps are crap... they are the reason you end up with updates that are buggy and lack new features, because they were more concerned with reaching the deadline than actually making a good product.

FroYo will be released when it is ready.

You guys need to take a deep breath and recognize the only thing you are mad about is that Google isn't making you wait for FroYo until an arbitrary date, instead they are planning on releasing it when it is ready.
[Nexus One General] ap3604:
Yeah your right. I should have just posted my opinion on the issue instead of quoted what you were saying... sorry about that.
[Nexus One General] Old MuckenMire:
It's cool man. We're all a little on edge and well all show it a little different. The best thing we can all do is not start flaming each other. I'll admit I'm pissed today with all the Apple news while we still wait. I'll try and keep it more under control and try and not be over the top in my complaining. If I have been I apologize.
[Nexus One General] attn1:
It's not just FroYo.

News: Nexus One for Verizon is coming in spring. No wait. We're too late. Sorry, not going to happen now.

News: Nexus One for Sprint. Um, new news, Nope. See above.

No News: Nexus One for AT&T/ROGERS/Telus/Bell - woah - where'd that come from?

And when they did release the AT&T/Canadian version of the N1, there was no mention of it working with carriers other than AT&T or Rogers. That's pretty bad.

Nexus One is a success, no wait - it's not. Screw this. We just not going to retail it anymore. Anyone want to help us out? Kmart? Best Buy?

In a market already notoriously bad about keeping consumers informed of what's on the horizon and when, Google is the absolute worst.

When Apple actually announces a product release, they ALWAYS say WHEN, and it's almost etched in granite.

If you can't see that, then take your medication and think things over more slowly.
[Nexus One General] Old MuckenMire:
Don't forget the way they rolled out the car dock....what, three months after the device!?? It's actually comical if you think about it.

You made a nice post and clarified why I personally am fed up.
[Nexus One General] jz9833:
My opinion, if you are going to have an offical press conference and talk and demo a piece of software like google did then yes I think an offical release needs to come out sooner than "a couple weeks".

Had they left this to media hype and said it will be ready "soon" I'd agree no one had a right to complain, but that didn't happen.

Google is handling this very poorly, but if it creates an almost bug free release I'd live with it. If the offical version is the exact same as the leaked verision then yes they dropped the ball big time.
[Nexus One General] :
Google was overly optimistic about changing the cell phone lanscape with one phone and no plans.

They took a gamble and lost. The nexus was about getting customers away from hidden fees(subsidies). Turns out people like to defer payments!(see US economy).

There's actually an interview from 2003 with steve jobs that he mentions not wanting to get into the phone business BECAUSE of the way cell phone carriers do business.

Who want's a piece of delicious irony cake?
[Nexus One General] attn1:
Wrong. Apple formally announced iOS4 today, with a firm release date.

Any previous references to it were "what we've been working on" in the same vein Google spoke of Gingerbread. Anything more than that has been pure speculation by the press.
[Nexus One General] attn1:
Okay, so that was a stretch. Froyo isn't actually vaporware.
[Nexus One General] z0phi3l:
For the two or three little whiny babies, you do realize that iOS4 was announced 4 months ago with no release date till today to promote the sale of new hardware for Apple

Google announce Froyo ~three weeks ago with a pending "soon" release date for the N1

IMO Google is doing better than Apple with announcements and releases
[Nexus One General] pjcforpres:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/05/apple-holding-iphone-os-4-event-april-8th/
[Nexus One General] attn1:
I am less convinced that it was a lack of "brick-and mortar" as much as it was the reason you cite - payment deferment. They would have had a much better chance of success if they actually did some market research and got the lead out of their butts with the hardware releases and/or had some contracts in hand with carriers for subsidies like they did with T-mobile.

Google charged ahead - and then retreated - because they lacked a good plan and understanding of the market. The hardware roll-out was half-assed (even if the hardware itself was first class) and then they gave up before allowing any chance of success in worldwide markets where their model may have actually worked.

So yeah, Google still has a lot to learn about marketing, despite their opinion of themselves.
[Nexus One General] Jack_R1:
It's funny how are the whining voices the loudest. People actually invest a lot of time to whine on the internet forums. There's life out there, this time might be much better put to some good use, instead of the whining.
[Nexus One General] sainttjames:
This opinion is worth what it costs...namely free :)

I am a new n1 owner - not a fanatic...wanted a smartphone...seriously looked at the eyephone, but did not like the att tie up - was already with TM...so you could say I am part of the 'early majority'

apple knows their product/mkt like no other company.

google knows their product/mkt like no other company...but they are now moving into hardware and the inexperience shows...they are learning...but goog appears to me to be filled with programmers...primarily.

Jobs is no programmer...he is a marketer...and they have gone through countless cycles of hardware/software...

if goog is going to stay in the game they will have to get their hardware side as focused as the search/software side...in their favor is an open OS

last comment...I like my N1 - and the fact that apps are not pre-approved :D
[Nexus One General] attn1:
Where did Apple announce that, or was it a logical guess on the part of the press?

Seeing it coming because of history is not an official announcement.

iOS4 was announced today.
[Nexus One General] ArcanaXVIII:
Get your facts straight before whinning like a high-school girl.

iOS 4 was effing announced back on April 8.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-0-unveiled-shipping-this-summer/

There was a BIIIIIG Apple conference about it.
[Nexus One General] ap3604:
So Apple held a sneak preview of their new OS on April 8th and took 2 months (until today) to set a firm date for the release...

Doesn't that mean Google should also be given 2 months, after their own sneak preview, to set a firm release date for Froyo as well before getting mad at them?
[Nexus One General] attn1:
I wasn't whining, I simply made a factual observation that some can't handle without becoming offensive.

You totally missed my flip side post too, didn't you?
[Nexus One General] daeshawn:
So I think whiners should be banned for a day sorta like a time out go in the corner and dont move until told. No matter what google does, ya'll complain. I can only imagine what you would do if you were current iphone owners.

Yes google doesnt have all their ish together when it comes to releases, but keep in mind no matter how much apple is so called on point, their little iphone device is now catching up to everybody (might i remind you of video capture which even the cheapest crap phone had, might i also remind you of multitasking which even the cheapest crap phone could do. Damn looking at the apple os4 site it looks like they're only now getting folder capability which android had since cupcake or at least donut any y'all getting mad at goodle? lmao..wait wait, they are now able to change their home screen wallpaper? rotflmao i was able to do that with my way back in the day motorola v360 lmao).

regardless if froyo was prematurely released or not, the point is y'all got it, and furthermore google didnt turn around and scold anybody for having it, they simply apologized and even still stated you would get the update once fully available. But of course y'all still whine and complain. SHUT UP!

How about this...all you whiners get together and build the ultimate perfect bug free device that does what you want on command. If you dont like something, rig it so that with just a mere thought it can be changed to your liking. Chances are you cant, and chances are nobody held your hand or forced you to purchase a nexus one..so again SHUT UP...

The rest of y'all have a nice day!!
[Nexus One General] attn1:
Show me one reference Apple made to iOS4 by name before today. Equating what they did 4 months ago is more akin to Google's ramblings about Gingerbread - which Google did before Android 2.2 was out. No comparison. iOS4 was announced today.
[Nexus One General] attn1:
I didn't start this with a rant. I started this with an observation, that anyone could or disagree with. Then the real infants start whining about "whiner" and telling anyone who disagrees with them to grow up and shut up.
[Nexus One General] Old MuckenMire:
+1

Exactly!
[Nexus One General] ap3604:
To me Google has LIFETIME immunity for releasing Google Maps Navigation to us for FREE. LIFETIME... ;)
[Nexus One General] daeshawn:
lmao its ok i hurt your feelings...it's good that i have now become historic in your life today and furthermore i was directing this at the whiners in general so if you felt offended then something is wrong with you..Either way the nexus one is a far superior device and google may need to get on track a little but announcements of updates etc really doesnt make the experience any greater..We all know that in this technological world nothing is on time. But hey live your life kid ..peace