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[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rockdrummersrock:
I feel like this thread certainly has merits on all sides but I feel like chimming in with 2 cents here.

WinMo on EVO will not happen, I completely agree with rdude that the development of that is just a bit too much for it to really be feasible. With that aside I don't see why you couldn't make an android rom closely resembling something you might find in a WinMo OS.

Another thing is that ninja, you see the potential in android but it's not quite here yet. Something I noticed when I moved from my HTC Touch Pro to my Evo is that WinMo was at 6.1 when i got it. All their piecemeal bull**** pissed me off. WinMo 6.5, 6.5.1, .2, .3, the list goes on. Rather than giving out little updates I was waiting for WinPhone7. I've seen some of the details and specs and must say they are quite impressive. But for the present I will stick with Android because I have not found something winmo does better for my own purposes.

If you look at the dev. cycles on android they have been releasing updates quite frequently and recently have discussed having about 2 update cycles a year. Another aspect of this is that the WinMo 6.5 updates all have some minor fixes but not all that much additional content compared to android. Froyo makes phones faster, adds flash support, wifi tethering (which I'm sure sprint will fight but should be easy enough to unlock), and several other features. I'm sure android will slow down as far as new features goes as dev cycles continue but for the time being android has been able to catch up to winmo in 3-4 years and arguably does more than winmo has done in its 10 years.

Just some thoughts, don't really care if you all agree or disagree cuz as it was pointed out we are all entitled to opinion but I figured I'd share mine.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ninja_unmatched:
No comment there but you really cannot compare WinMo and Android in that sense. Different times... WinMo and earlier OSs have paved the way for Android. Mistakes have to be made in order to learn a new. Not that WinMo is a mistake but there has to be a start somewhere for something new to improve upon.

As for Android/linux....it is a pain in ass to code on. I like linux but too many non-standards. I like Open source but they need more standardization.....much like the internet needing a Standard Video format. (hint........ VP3....right?)
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ninja_unmatched:
On a different note....

How about a 3G only EVO? I'll take that... I'm sorry yall but 4G makes no difference to me. When I am at home I'm at 1x more often and my phone drops calls a lot. My GF has the EVO and it is the same for her. When we at home have 2 use WiFi to do anything without waiting. The signal out here sucks. Trying to go on the internet here is the same. A lil less wait due to not having to wait as long for the processor. My GFs 4g stays turned off. No need 4g is not here but is "projected" to be here soon and even when the radio is on it serously kills the battery life. Froyo will not change this...may make it a lil better though.

The sprint coverage map here shows it as being Voice "Good" and 3G but tis not the case.....for years now and Sprint has never seen fit to improve it. I like Sprint but feels a lil like a kick in anus. I've tried music and video streaming and around here the network is good only for music streaming. Video streaming was only annoying..too much buffering. Even the audio would drop in the better area as you moved around town. there are like holes within the better coverage area... a lot of them actually. Anyone from Connecticut with Sprint should know. So in my area (I'm sure there are others.) the Explain The Fee concept would hold true and Sprint would be charging people for the phones hardware features, definitely not for 4G. I hope Sprint does come out with some solution such as this because it will only hurt them in the long run in areas such as this. Some type of explanation is needed as to the fee even though it is still cheaper then the competition (for now) because as new phones come out with the new hardware and not 4g (this is no doubt gonna happen.) are people gonna get charged the extra for having the new hardware too? We all know companies will do whatever they think they can get away with. (i.e. A.I.G.)

I want the phone for its hardware specs only minus 4g. I use GF's phone at times and I just can't stay attached to it for long because it still takes long regardless to surf and let facebook refresh its data. Hardware wise it moves, i like, but overall.....disappointed. Also I noticed how sensitive the screen is then I see articles noting a problem with the screen and a fix for it. Since seeing that I've been paying more attention to her phone (she doesn't really know what to look for. I'm saying she put 1 of those mirror screen protectors on it now when you look at it you can't see the phones true quality, colors all funny looking.) and the weather here changes like crazy. On those hot and humid days the phone gets real annoying to type on. Feels like you could touch it with a feather. I'm not that easy to please, son, especially since I know how 4g is supposed to perform. Not paying extra for something I won't get much of anyways.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] akrod2as:
I like how you ignored EVERYTHING else that he had to say.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ninja_unmatched:
Uh duh I responded twice. That was like a 2nd response. I just didn't quote him in the 1st.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rockdrummersrock:
Thats really what I am talking about. WinMo started off great one of the first well made mobile OS's. But I feel that WinMo has been slacking off lately which kind of annoyed me.

Android definitely learned a lot from WinMo but right now I feel like they are making vast leaps in advancement (partly to catch up, partly because androids road map is likely quite different from WinMos) compared to the small baby steps of WinMo.

All that is likely to change with WinMo 7 and if I am wowed enough by the relaunch of Windows Marketplace along with some new features, then odds are that come upgrade time I will switch back. But for now I'm enjoying riding the android wave. Thats all. I feel like you have very valid points I'm just voicing why, while I agree in aspects I also disagree.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gbm85:
This thread still hasn't died yet?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Hero's Hero:
Word......
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ninja_unmatched:
Hey another bit of EVO news.......get this.....the Broadcom Chip inside the EVO apparently supports 802.11n but it was disabled and people here have figured out how to enable it..... Now that is cool..... EVO points have gone up.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] extrafuzzyllama:
this is old news
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ninja_unmatched:
Uh.......no. But I will say this.... This stuff shows the same pattern that happens with all Phones
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Slappy_G:
Not to be a gadfly, but 1 thing Android still cannot do is NTLM authentication for browsing. WinMo has had it for years, iPhone has had it for years, no real excuse, and confirmed via [code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=4962] that the support is STILL not in Froyo. That is a pretty embarrassing miss.

That said, Android does trump WinMo in several other ways, but I would call it far from a clean sweep.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Freelancerx:
all i know is i was sooo much happier when i left my dash (winmo) for my G1.....and i used to flash custom roms for the dash and everything too...android was like waking up from a bad dream lol...the dash was fine but i never realized how much better an os could be until i started using android phones...
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Manicmobileaddict:
So basic, but huge fail. I want 7 full screen widgets and just one folder. Is there a way since you can't do it out of the box?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AllanonMage:
How about a medium road and just have a VM that we can install WM to? Any ideas or takers on that? I have seen WinMo VMs for Linux. I'm still not sure how Android and it's underlying Linux base work out though. I doubt a VM would run on top of the Java layer.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] emyllsomar:
Sorry but I have to agree...

I too wish someone will try to get the Windows Phone 6.5 or 7 ROM on the EVO.

I agree with this, and I know the list goes on. Of course this place is crawling with tons of fanboys so you will probably not get the answer you want for a while and probably never. I also purchased an EVO because I need Sprint and I wanted a newer HTC device, can't stand Android and if one has half of a brain, it is easy to do the math, you can get the virtually unlimited customization for $29 on a WinMo and then get everything else (reliable and strong software) FREE or you can pay anywhere from $0.99 - $19.99 for tiny pieces of code that have to constantly be updated and their interoperability sucks. Not to mention, %90 of the market is spam, fake or cloned apps that are pointless and then the ones that do work, if not having to pay as stated before they are poorly named and hard to find.

Every WinMo phone I've had I've been able to unlock right away safely without worries of breaking it, and I have loaded with the useful programs then away I go on a strong and secure device. With Android it's taken me a month or so to finally "root" the device and I am still hesitant to FLASH a custom ROM as it seems the process is pretty confusing.

Anyway, I am sorry for the rant, I don't mean to offend anyone or cause a huge debate here, I know that those who are comfortable with Linux/Unix platforms appreciate this Android OS way more than what I do, but I just wanted to say my peace, because I know there are too many advantages to list and the only reason WinMo gets a bad reputation is because most people who try to use it don't know crap about electronic devices to begin with and then come to these forums making it look like the devices aren't good or capable.

Bye LOL.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] markus_del_marko:
to hell with winmo!
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Fost04mach:
I couldn't care more for the media capabilities of each phone... however, I do use my phone for work quite a bit. To all the android fanboys who are just waiting for someone to name stuff so they can say "oh yeah you can do that on android"... show me the SQL Server Mobile app for android ;).

Most of the time I do remote desktop into my servers and do the work that way. The last company I worked for had in house developed vpn software for winmo, and being as they contract me every now and then (ok, hasn't happened this year, but happened plenty of times last year), I still need to be able to use that.

It's that kind of involvement that makes my interest in winmo 6.5 on the evo. HD2 isn't an option as tmobile coverage and speed makes remote desktop useless.

On the bright side, Intel has made some advancements in the Atom platform, and shrunk it down enough for phone use... I may not get to run winmo 6.5 on the evo, but I'll surely be the guy running XP on a phone posting on iphone and android forums questions like "how many apps are in your market place today?" :D
[HD2 General] carhigh:
Please read before throwing the "search first" one liner out at me

Ive searched, ive read,

The problem is, sure i can add things to rotate in BSB tweaks, but my problems are a little more tedious.

With most roms comes rotation of the pictures and music tabs, and so on.

But alot of stuff i want to rotate, such as input for setting up email, so i can type it in with the bigger keyboard, signing in on the data services page in all those and so on.

Basicly i want everything that can rotate, to rotate, (heres where the but comes in)

BUT, when i add things like this to rotate it ends up adding manilla which ends up making the pictures and music tab rotate twice putting them upside down.

I want everything to rotate but what the heck, i dont want upside down stuff too :(

Ive used g-config and BSB in all of the NRG roms on the tilt2 and now on the hd2 and always does this
[HD2 General] wacky.banana:
I would suggest you delete all the rotate instructions in BSB Tweaks and use a tool called Gyratur instead.

Hope this helps.

WB
[HD2 General] carhigh:
I only added a couple apps in BSB to rotate. I would need to stop the pics and music tab to stop rotating and then rotate them by adding manilla (i think it shows up as start) to rotate.

Will deleting all the lists in BSB stop the music ad pics tabs from rotating? I dont think it will. Im not sure how to stop them. I think i tried gyrator not to long ago and got the same result, double rotate in music and pics tabs
[HD2 General] telegraph0000:
No no no...

use this program, the default to portrait, run the "Show Apps Name" tab and add each program, along with its desired rotation. Make sure to select enabled and run at startup.
[HD2 General] carhigh:
Ive actualy tried that before and just to satisfy i installed it and guess what, yup, music and pics tabs roate twice, so they are upside down.
[HD2 General] carhigh:
Not good. Rotating on the lock screen unlocke the phone and then the app i guess crashed as it wouldnt rotate again
[HD2 General] telegraph0000:
go to exceptions in changescreen config, if you see manila,.delete.it (hold down and then delete). Make sure that default is only the vertical (straight up, portrait) is the only one checked!
[HD2 General] carhigh:
I removed manila and still had the double rotation with music and pictures tabs in sense. I rebooted the phone, just so you know. Maybe i have to kill all the rotations listed in bsb tweaks that comes in the rom?
[HD2 General] carhigh:
Great, nothing at all on the exceptions page and portait only as deault. Now my all messages page and inside a text convo it rotates landscape and then goes right back to portate.
[HD2 General] carhigh:
Just what i figured. No way to disable sense default rotating of the music and pics tasbs and enabling everything to rotate with something else
[HD2 General] conantroutman:
Have you tried changing the registry setting relating to music and album rotation then setting it to rotate with an app?
[HD2 General] carhigh:
No, but i guess ill go looking into that now. And disabling htc messaging rotation too.
[HD2 General] conantroutman:
Id love to find a solution to this too but from what I've read it seems everyones stuck with the music/pictures problem...

I found a reg entry which im pretty sure enables/disable the album rotation but I couldnt see anything relating to the music tab.....

Someone must know if this will work or not..............
[HD2 General] telegraph0000:
I have everything rotating, file explorer, coreplayer, calculator, word, excel, all without rotating manila home...are you trying to rotate everything+manila rotated as well?
[HD2 General] carhigh:
Anyone can get apps rotating! And without rotating manila home!!

Yes i am trying to get everything to rotate without any of the sense stuff double rotating. The most important things id like to rotate are pages where you click and sign in on things like the facebook tab, email setup and so on. I dont really care about rotating anything you listed that you have rotating. Those can easily be rotated with bsb tweaks and some other apps
[HD2 General] telegraph0000:
oohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.............
[HD2 General] cu2cool:
I want everything automatically rotatable as well except for manila home, BUT I do want the option to (with long press send key for example). Is this achievable?
[Desire General] JDouce:
seriously ... this is MUCH better then drop box ... assuming you dont have 40 +250mb addons

what an awsome hosting facility

and if ppl want files NO ONE will give u a better downlaod speed then google :P
[Desire General] Acidmax:
Not the same as Dropbox! Not even close.
[Desire General] JDouce:
dropbox says 50gb but 9$ a month and this isnt really dev could do with moving i wasnt paying attention when i put it here
[Desire General] vivus:
Wrong section

You should post this in another section, not in development....
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Impulses:
Is this possible at all? I've been trying to find out how to do it but I get way too many results about other keyboards or other iterations of HTC's keyboard...

Anyway, I can't seem to figure out how to do it on my EVO, kind of indispensable since I switch a lot from English to Spanish mid-message (and vice versa)... Whenever I type anything in Spanish I end up inadvertently adding words to the dictionary, and the alternative would be to have no auto-correction which would suck.

So can anybody help an Android noobie out? I've been meaning to try Swype (which I'm told has a key for language switching) but I wanted to have the option of using either keyboard anyway.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] brk:
Hi, I've searched the forum but found no answer. Searched google and found contradictory answers.

Should I use a swap file in SD card?

What are the advantages and disadvantages?

Thanks
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] koreancanuck:
Advantage: Allows more multitasking due to more memory use from the sd card.

Disadvantage: Shortens the sd card life.

If you plan to use swap or A2SD, I recommend getting a class 6 sd card. Some people are opposed to swap, some people are all up for it. It's just up to your preference. For me, swap is just nice that an app doesn't close when I'm using another app.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] Binary100100:
A good answer but slightly incomplete. Most sdcards have wear leveling so having swap on your card will do very minimal damage.

If you want to have a swap file (swap.swp) this could possibly corrupt your fat partition. This is based on my own personal experience of course. I recommend use a swap partition honestly.

Just imagine mounting your sdcard to your computer to transfer files while your phone is still attempting to write to /sdcard/swap.swp. This can theoritically cause problems. And you don't want problems on your sdcard. A seperate partition is the safest way to go. But again... just my opinion.

Note that if you are using a rom based on Cyanogen's kernel (such as 5.0.7 or 5.0.8) it is NOT recommended to use swap at all. It will slow down your phone causing more problems than what it's worth. ('Swap grave' is how he put it.)
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] endolith:
How does that happen?
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] Binary100100:
If your system is writing to the .swp while you mount/unmount the sdcard it can corrupt the card. It's better to use the partition.

In addition if your system is setup to use the swap.swp on your fat32 partition and you mount it to your computer, what do you suppose would happen to your system since it can no longer have access to the .swp file?

Again... not a good idea.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] endolith:
I don't see how unmounting the swap partition is any different from unmounting the partition with a swap file on it.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] AdrianK:
Just say no!

Right, but other than when you shut down your phone, when does your swap partition get [un]mounted?
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] endolith:
When you plug it into a computer, isn't the whole SD card mounted?
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] AdrianK:
Your computer's OS can only mount the filesystems it supports, for example OOTB Windows only supports FAT and NTFS, so it can't do anything with ext. Anyway, linux-swap is non-persistant, you can't mount it to view the contents, my understanding is that should you mount it on linux, the swap partition will be ignored.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] endolith:
But the point is that they're all unmounted before the SD card can be shared with the computer as a mass storage device, so I don't see there being any difference between a swap partition and a swap file.

Besides, Swapper has a default "safe" option that unmounts swap before sharing SD with the computer and remounts it after disconnecting.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] Binary100100:
I wasn't aware that Swapper has such a feature but that doesn't change the fact that if your running say ~200mb of RAM with ~64mb of swap and with all the multitasking that you're doing you're using up most of it... so say you have only ~10mb free. Then all of a sudden you pull out your sdcard. What do you think happen will happen? Your phone was reading and writing to that card! Do you think that's healthy? If Swapper unmounts it before it shares the sdcard with the computer then it may be better for the sdcard but I don't see how that can have a positive impact on the device. However if you have swap on a seperate partition the only way to run into this problem would be to remove the card from the device. Even if you mount the sdcard to the computer the phone still has access to the swap partition just like it still has access to the ext partition (if it has one).

I don't know about you but I have a 16gb class 6 card and it's a pain in the butt to restore my data to the fat partition so I would rather not have anything read/write to it unless necessary and to have something constantly reading and writing to it is a really bad idea in my case... but maybe you have a ~2gb and reloading the data may not be annoying to you. :D

Anyway... stick with what works. I've tried them all and based on my own experience I suggest the separate partition if you are going to use swap. But hey... what do I know?

By the way... do NOT use swap on CM5 or CM6. It may help at first but you'll be enroute to digging "a swap grave" (quoted by Cyanogen himself).
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] Vonrottes:
Your phone will ONLY share FAT when mounted to PC

Ext and Swap are still running on the phone(app2sd how do you think apps keep working after mounting?)

Same deal with Swap...

I personally do not use Swap although i do have a 128mb Swap Partition.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] endolith:
Android routinely kills processes as part of its "task management", and the apps are expected to save their state using "Bundles" so that when you restart them, they restart in the same state they were last in. Is unplugging the swap more harsh than killing the app?

Hmmm. When you mount the SD card, the entire SD card is available on the computer, including the FAT, EXT, and swap partitions, but the phone can't access the FAT partition?

I can see the contents of the swap partition from the computer with "sudo cat /dev/sdb3", but the phone can still access it? If I run "free" on the phone, it still shows swap, and the used size still changes, so I guess the phone is still using it, but the computer can see it at the same time, too.

In that case, I understand why it would make more sense to use swap partition than swap file.

I have an 8 GB Class 6 and I don't understand what you're talking about. What do you mean "restore your data to the fat partition"? Restore it from what? What's the point of having an SD card if you don't want anything reading from it?

What does that mean? Where did he say that? In what context?

I'm using swapper with CM5, and it's like buying a new phone. It greatly speeds up the phone's responsiveness.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] DonJuan692006:
I dunno why you can see all three partitions. When I've got my swap and extra partitions setup and mount my SD to my computer, the only partition that shows up is the FAT one, using Windows that is.

As for using swap, a quick Google search will show you a number of threads stating that the only time you see a real benefit from it is on the G1 an older mytouchs with the lower RAM space. Actually most say that using compcache is the better way to go if you've got the extra RAM space.