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[HD2 General] kayroccs:
lets c ok what i like about the iphone 4 ova ma hd2....hmmmmmmm hi resolution n front facing camera. now what i like about my hd2 umm everything apple tried to do with the iphone 4 n failed.
[HD2 General] scrizz:
THe thing I like about the iphone is the resolution 960x640 omfg

but that's it
[HD2 General] :
i think the pc for dummies you are referring to is called a mac :p

Im quite sure the iphone wasn't the first phone with wifi, itl will probably have more ram tho 256mb is puny lol.
[HD2 General] kayroccs:
ok steve jobs i think is a very smart man...(for applesuckers).

ok so they created the first iphone, then the iphone 3g, iphone 3gs, now the iphone 4, oohhh i forgot the ipad. ok now is is me but dont all these device look the same and can pretty much do the same thing. the ipad looks like a stretched out iphone 3gs, iphone 3gs (claims) its faster than the 3g and the 3g was just a dam plastic surgery to the original iphone. now y is it that i would buy all these devices that does the exact thing as the other. n the reason apple makes money cause of the media and also he creates a device that were already created and just sticks the apple logo on them.
[HD2 General] coco77:
Hello,

I agree with you both. I was always on windows mobile since my Dell PPC wm5

Now, I have Iphone 3GS ans HTC HD2. I like them both but in reality I'm using now only Iphone 3GS. surfing (even smaller screen) emails, calls,... it works!! no need to reset the device.

and I know it is only software issue. IE, Opera, Skyfire, Iris all these soft are still far away behind Iphone navigator!!!

I keep my HTC HD2 I love it, but really cannot count on it for my professional activities;

The lack of Multilanguage input and the limitation of internet navigation are really awaful!

Just try to surf with an Iphone and you will understand.
[HD2 General] pack21:
hd2 without WM7 or Android port is kiil as long its born.
[HD2 General] Karlos G:
These sort of threads make me laugh! :D

The HD2 hardware and asthetics are spot on, but we all know that the OS/software is hugely unstable, people that say otherwise have either never used a 99.9% stable OS or they are lying to themselves and others!

The only draw back of the IP4 is it's screen size really, once jailbroken it's a free for all on 3rd party software etc..

Of course CPU and Ram specs are as yet unkown so it may be limited by these.

I am considering trying one, if I can get my head around the pathetic screen size! :mad: lol
[HD2 General] Badshah69:
Has Apple been able to fix these? Until that happens, NO, I am not getting an iPhone

At a glance email, calendar, tasks

Dialer - Cannot pull up the contact name and number by using the keypad. Have to scroll through the complete list of contacts to get to a number

No tasks app with reminder

Bluetooth connect with PC not possible

Full support for Stereo Bluetooth headphones (A2DP) still not available. Only partial handsfree possible - Cannot FF or REW, skip.

Cannot use for tethering or as a WAP

No ability to reply to a calendar invite or forward it to someone - Only Accept/Maybe/Decline

iTunes is in the middle of everything

Can't use it to save any adhoc files/docs like a thumbdrive. In other words the extra GBs are useless.

Cannot jump to a particular spot in an audio segment - only skip forward or go reverse. A real problem when listening to audiobooks. If you want to continue from where you might have left off earlier (by remembering the minute:second) the only option is keep the FF button depressed and go back and forth to get to where you want to play it from! You might just be lucky!

Cannot use an audio file as a ringtone

Cut and paste is available but clumsy!

Notes utility isn't as good. Windows Mobile provides drawing, handwriting recognition as well as audio recording within notes.

In general, very little customization and personalization...

...and yes, just for the record, the above observations (there were a few more which got addressed) are made after I bought an iPhone 3GS 32GB and ended up returning it after 3 days...Literally, I felt as if I was being choked since there was a constant comparison of what I couldn't do with the iPhone which I could with my old and trusty HTC Kaiser! I thought then that I will wait for the next gen iPhone to see if they fix all of it...and no, they didn't.

___________________________________________

Previous phone: Original HTC Kaiser

Now --> AT&T Tilt 2 with Energy ROM
[HD2 General] Xp3RiM3nT:
I hope you dont mind me using your list as a list of things to spit out to apple lovers as too why the iphone sucks? they always say my hate of the iphone is unfounded, now with a formalised list I should be able to prove them wrong ;)
[HD2 General] gavinfabl:
2 very different phones. I dont know why this thread was started. The HD2 is excellent, the iPhone 4 I am sure will be excellent too, but I would say that the HD2's competitor is the Dell Streak possibly.
[HD2 General] M3PH:
ROFLMAO :D :D

I'm sorry i can't add more right now i'm laughing too hard. If i stop laugh and i think of something i'll let you know
[HD2 General] kuzibri:
Why buy an Apple 4G when you have an HD2, as I do, with Artemis ROM V18 and CHT 1.8? No sense in doing that, even apart from the screen width and resolution. Apple=Apple and WinMo-WinMo. The last one you can adjust to your own likings and the first is decided/determined by Apple. So, no question which one is better.

regards, Kuzibri
[HD2 General] scrizz:
Hopefully that person doesn't have a Jailbroken phone and has used it more than 3 days :p
[HD2 General] Badshah69:
By all means, go ahead...Hope it helps convert some hapless fellaz! :rolleyes:
[HD2 General] Shylock:
I am surprised that calling for an intelligent rational grouping of phone settings is regarded as simplicity and stupidity!

I realize that HTC has to make do with the limitations of Win Mobile 6.5, which affects the overall user experience.

My HD2 is running the latest stock firmware with all relevant HTC updates.

I have installed the minimum of apps in the interest of stability. I have not applied any of the suggested registry tweaks.

HD2 users who are lavishing praise on the device may have tweaked their settings to get a satisfactory result.

That does not excuse HTC for releasing an unfinished product.

I am shocked at the aggressive attitude of some posters in their rabid defense of the HD2, and their contempt of Apple and it's users.

This is not a war, there is nothing personal in these discussions.

We are discussing the merits of two different products, which is much more than comparing spec sheets.

When the hardware is mated to a finely tuned operating system and a well thought out user interface, that is a recipe for success.

I disagree that slick marketing and advertising is the sole driver of iPhone sales to an ignorant, unintelligent public.

Sales usually dry up as people realize the scam.

The iPhone has continued being a success because it delivers a solid user experience.

Tweaking and experimenting with different ROM's is a passionate hobby for many, but that does not negate the strengths of the iPhone and it's appeal to a broad segment of users.
[HD2 General] s21s20:
only two words needed.....APP STORE!!!!!!!!All the hardware is wasted on the HD2 if you dont have the apps to use on it, always had a bad taste in my mouth since microsoft screwed us re WP7, leaving us with no developers on 6.5. The only decent games we can get is from an outdated playstation port, not good enough in my opinion. So I am happy with my ipad on the bedside table, the soon to be IP4 that syncs perfectly with itunes on my macbook pro that streams movies to my ps3 on my bravia....its great to be in IT with too much money, now what to do with my HD2, thats right might put android on that overspeced biatch.
[HD2 General] Moandal:
HD2 = 51% more screen area. What's the point of 960 * 640 resolution on such a small screen?
[HD2 General] kuzibri:
I do agree with some of your arguments. People do have to decide themselves which device they want to buy, whether HTC or Apple. The only argument that sticks/holds againts the iPhone is the fact that Steve decides what you can do with it. Whenever you like that, buy an iPhone, When you don't like that, keep or buy an HD2 as it is customizable in every way you want.

regards, Kuzibri
[HD2 General] Dr.Sid:
HD2 has many problems .. but the screen is still unmatched. I won't go for smaller screen. Also I totally don't like Apple's policies about apps.

SO I guess my next phone will be something from HTC with Android.
[HD2 General] lonelykatana:
Correct, the N95 came out 3months (I think) before the iphone, and had wifi.

I dont even believe the n95 was the first
[HD2 General] s21s20:
ipad = 225% screen size which will stay at home to use on home wifi

iphone 4 = portability that works

HD2 = portable wifi router for ipad (slave to apple)

4.3 inch screen means nothing if you have nothing to put on it, ms has failed in it's so called app store. For me it's not about the hardware this time because that is useless without an app store to match. The only thing that made the HD2 bearable was Artemis ROM.
[HD2 General] dryden:
Just my two pennies worth. I've been using WM phones for quite a few years and my wife has been a serial phone buyer (Nokia, SE, Samsung, etc) and hasn't found anything that she likes. Last week she got an iPhone 3GS and I got a HD2. I had to set them both up and I found that with the HD2 I could pick the best from my last few years and reinstall from TytnII onto HD2 and learn to use the new features and, so far, I love it! The iPhone was easier (in a way) to set up because nothing really needed, or could, be done.

Experiences in the first week? iPhone just works? I've just got back from the shop to exchange the iPhone because it died with Error 23 (whatever that is) and had to go back. The HD2 has just got better and better - aided by the excellent posts on this site.

My opinions are therefore fairly biased! The iPhone is ideal for my wife, who just wants a phone that works (and I'm sure that she'll get an iPhone 4 (or 5 etc)), but I'm well happy tweaking and personalising my phone to MINE, not anyone else's. So - no thanks to an iPhone 4 for me personally.
[HD2 General] megaman 2:
Thanks man - I totally agree

..one of the few non-douche winmo fanboy f*gs. I love winmo but stop f*cking lying about how perfect your phones are - they are all jacked up and you are extatic if you make it through 1 day with no issues. We all have these phones so stop blowing smoke up each others asses
[HD2 General] megaman 2:
WOW!!! Thank you - elegantly stated - will no doubt get bashed soon enough (after a quick reset of the phone ;)
[HD2 General] ki5mc:
I will admit that I am a newbie when it comes to Windows Mobile 6.5, the HD2 has far fewer apps for it then the iPhone or Android phones, but the screen size is the best for me and the fact that there are many on this forum cooking for it, my dislike for AT&T, and it does everything that I want without a problem, so what it doesn't have a forward facing camera, I don't need it. So for me the answer is no to both.
[HD2 General] Xp3RiM3nT:
you simply havent looked hard enough.

and yes I know it is unfortunate that you have to actually look for things you want rather than having it at your fingertips like the equivalent app stores. But noone ever said the HD2 is perfect, people are only saying that the pros outweigh the cons when compared to any iPhone.
[HD2 General] s21s20:
It is funny that when I went from the iphone 3G to the HD2 and was questioned why by my IT colleagues, of which 96% use the 3GS, my response was "unless you have tried both platforms (> borrowing a friends) than you are not qualified to comment!!".

I am not so closed minded in my phone or computer preferences and had the guts to try both system, and as a result I missed the app store but kept telling myself that ms app store would get better, who am I kidding. Looks like the choices going forward is WP7 that is as closed as apple (but I guess you guys have not heard of jail-breaking) or stay on the archaic 6.5 with no app developers, thanks MS.

"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself." George Bernard Shaw
[HD2 General] wakers:
i have had my HD2 for about 5 months now and for me the phone is awesome

i like the look of the new I Phone but its not for me i like the tweaking installing roms etc and having my phone looking different

Price is also a huge issue for me i got my HD2 way cheaper than the iPhone 3gs was going to be and at the end of the day they are phones I'm well happy with my HD2 and won't be changing for any iPhone

looking forward to seeing what comes out in the next 12 months for sure the spec of the iPhone 4 is going to seem nothing special pretty quickly and god knows how much they will cost but you can't knock apples marketing
[HD2 General] fred_up:
It is one thing I really do like about Apple o/s. The fact that I can set a 'location' and the macbook will know what the default printer, internet proxy, fixed IP networking setting, etc.

Apart from putting HSLP, 1.66WWE ROM and a stock Radio ROM and a couple of times that the battery has run flat, my HD2 has never frozen or crashed. The only reason for updating to 1.66 is that I wanted to get rid of the T-Mobile UK branding.[/QUOTE]

I'm not shocked. This section of XDA is for HD2 owners, so anyone who comes along and says another phone is far superior is going to cause grief. Imagine going to a football team's fans website and posting how their rivals are much better than them.

Also I personally don't like the gloating of HD2 users saying how much the HD2 is better than the iphone - basically because they are talking to the converted.

No disagreament on any point there.

Apple do come up with some novel ideas and since they control the whole process it leads to, as you say, a solid experience. This will lead folks to buy into the brand.

Since the iphone, 3G, 3GS and ipod Touch are basically the same for an apps developer means more units can be sold. If you have to develop an app for a WinMo phone, then you have a wide range of screens to deal with - which means that you have to mod the app for almost each WinMo device.
[HD2 General] vitolamanna:
excuse me, how does the HD2 crap amaze you? I think its a piece of buggy ****. I was thinking about getting an iphone, but read all the positive comments about the HD2 so i chose that. But even as a big apple enemy...apple stuff just works. Every compared iphones/ipads google maps with the HD2 one?? it so much smoother..no it is perfect smooth...zoom in toom out, panning...amazing. The HD2 lacks like crap.

and the touch screen...jesus..

then i installed japanese which screwed up my normal input system.

What a piece of buggy disharmonic crap.

U can say what u want...the HD2 has better hardware but the iphone still beats it!

the camera...even after the update and fix..the photos just suck! Really...

cheap ass white balance.

and so many many many other little things which drive me nuts...

I really cant understand the hype. I can understand iphones hype though..
[HD2 General] Xp3RiM3nT:
I really do feel sorry for you :(
[HD2 General] madindehead:
No I haven't. But I can work on my i7-920 8 core Windows 7 PC clocked to 4GHz and use ProTools and then go play a game afterwards =p

To bring this back to the topic:

Apple have done a great job bringing smart phones to the masses. Yes, that is fair. People buy Apple products because of the marketing. But really, the iPhone is a closed off system. Your experience is controlled by Apple. Everyone's iPhone (unless jailbroken) runs the same version of the same ROM, all over the world.

But look at us. We all run a different ROM that cater to our different needs. We have registry hacks which fully unlock our phones potential, we can hack and mod. And that's what really makes a phone or PC or device yours. Being able to mod it. Sure, WinMo gets a bad name. But once you experience the power, it's amazing.

As for people saying it's unstable, you obviously have a bad flash. My HD2 is VERY stable. Just get a good ROM, and you're away.

When people say my HD2 they are like "wow, what is that". And when I reply with the words "It's an HTC" you know what they say..."They make really good phone's don't they".

I won't be buying a new iPhone 1) I can't actually afford one, 2) I love my HD2 too much, but most importantly 3) Apple controlling the iPhone too much. Mobiles should not be closed off. Computing in this day and age should not be closed off. I should be allowed to do whatever I want on MY hardware, that I have paid for.

Apple need to open their eyes. If they are calling Flash a "closed platform" they need to seriously look at the iPhone and the iPad...

And I really hope they come up with a new naming scheme soon. iWhatever is getting pretty damn boring now.
[HD2 General] rflmnz:
Windows Mobile 6

This is the major problem of HD2... Hope WP7 could be released soon!

Although the camera and the screen could be better (Amoled or superAmoled please!!)... And these features could not be changed, unfortunately...
[HD2 General] Xp3RiM3nT:
hey, I agree with pretty much all of your points (madindehead) but I want to select one in particular.

This is so true, I love the fact that people can now access the internet from where ever they are, I love the fact people can check facebook and send emails while buying their groceries and I love the fact that users now have a far better understanding of what is currently possible for such a small device.

However I feel annoyed that it had to be apple that showed the masses what was possible, I feel this way because I believe microsoft or google would of done a better job at giving the users what they deserve and not attempted to fleece users out of as much money for as little functionality as possible.
[HD2 General] Xp3RiM3nT:
I am not really sure what your point about the major problem of HD2 is? or how WP7 will solve it.

the camera and screen are already some of the best on the market, I dont really think you can reasonably ask for anything better.

btw I hold almost as much hate for WP7 and how closed and shockingly iphone os like they are making it. its a real shame, they had something good here and they are ditching it to be "the other iPhone thing"
[HD2 General] volcanomed:
I hate the iphone :D

soo

1. No

2. No
[HD2 General] sanibak:
The iPhone 4 is hard to ignore with hardware specs that now match or exceed the other high end smart phones HD2, EVO 4 etc.

I have a HD2 and think its an awsome device yet am dissapointed that applications support from MS or developers are limited and dont show the HD2 at its brilliant best. Most apps are almost there but lack that final polish to make them great apps (I am sure there are a few). Things like the HTC sense music player, functional but missing simple sort functions in all songs. HTC calendar notfications that have more info yet lack the ability to choose to snooze for differing times (I know that you can revert to MS calendar notfications). I see the iPhone fanboys in my office with apps on their device s that not only work but have a "I'd pay for that" wow about them.

Although I wont be changing my HD2 for the iPhone 4 when its first released, I will be waiting for Windows phone 7 to come out and decide from there.
[HD2 General] mystik610:
As innovative as Apple tends to be portrayed (especially by Apple themselves), most of the major updates to the iPhone and OS4 have been responses to outside competition, and responses to complaints about basic functions that should have been made available to the iPhone in the first place.

iPhone 2.0

-iPhone 2.0 added the ability to legitimately install third party applications, and added support for GPS and 3G to the 3G model. Third party applications had been a staple of smart phones long before the iPhone ever existed. The original iPhone had been criticized for its lack of 3G and GPS support since the initial launch of the 2G, and many were dead-on when they predicted these would be added in a future update (planned obsolescence?)

iPhone 2.0 also added exchange support and push e-mail...functions that had been lacking with the 2G iPhone to make it a legitimate competition to the blackberry and windows mobile

iPhone 3.0

-iPhone 3.0 added copy and paste MMS functions to the iPhone...functions that had been available for years on many other smart phones. The iPhone 3GS was finally given the ability to shoot video! Push functions were made to third party applications, which was an improvement, but didn't make up for the iPhone's inability to multi-task.

iPhone 4.0

-iPhone 4.0 adds task-suspending functions...which Apple is marketing as 'multi-tasking' (its not)....This is a basic function of most other smart phones including windows mobile, and Apples new worst enemy: Android. iPhone 4.0 also adds a number of aesthetic functions like the ability to group icons together, and *gasp* change the springboard and lockscreen's background.

When you look at Apple's history of improvements to the iPhone in hindsight, it almost looks sad. Most of the innovations they've taken three years to implement, should have been incorporated in the iPhone 2G! Apple seems to be running out of steam with iPhone 4 IMO....Google has been improving android exponentially since the release of the G1, and with all that's lacking with iPhone 4, Google is finally outpacing Apple in terms of technology/innovation. Additionally, you have WP7 around the corner and MS is dead-set on leveraging all of its resources against the iPhone.

Should be interesting going forward
[HD2 General] lemonspeakers:
Can someone please explain to me apple's multitasking on ios4? Why is it considered not true compared to winmo 6.5+X?
[HD2 General] s21s20:
Wow 13 pages of panic because apple brings out a new iphone, windows mobile community are certainly not worried ! He says with sarcasm.
[HD2 General] Spl4tt:
as much as i know winmo got "realtime" multitasking, what means the programms are really running in the background when u are using another..

the iOS4 only saves the position of the app and closes it. when u switch back to it u are on the same position as last time, and it looks like u are multitasking..

thats why it is fake multitask, the programms are not really running in the background, they are "paused"
[HD2 General] curiousGeorge:
Of course it is. Our so-called "HD2" can't even play WVGA video natively without audio delay. The iPhone could play 720p HD videos perfectly since the 3GS. The 2G iPod touch could decode and render 800x480 AVC files without delay (and with B-frames) for Pete's sake. Pathetic. XD

But in terms of coolness factor, naa. Apple = sheep.
[HD2 General] iceblade997:
i tend to agree with you here. and you have an HD2. i have a diamond and so a lot of the apps you can run i will have difficulty with. the games i have on my phone are all old ports of even older PC titles (AOE Gold and Worms World Party to name a couple) and now that MS is moving away from WM6.x, what more will come? Shylock has it right - there are a lot of ignorant or flaming responses in this thread
[HD2 General] Xp3RiM3nT:
iphone os 4(i refuse to give them the satisfaction of calling it iOs) also is able to set tasks to be completed in the background, these tasks are completed by the operating system and the tasks you can perform are very limited.

the winmo's operating system is able to send programs to the background anjd run them as if they where running in the foreground. this is so good because it means you can task switch really fast and things that require time to compete, like uploading videos to the internet and such like can be sent to the background and will still run while you are doing something else.