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[Nexus One General] ArcanaXVIII:
Previous page. My pleasure.

You know, THE FULL BLOWN CONFERENCE with a FULL FEATURE LIST of iOS4.
[Nexus One General] attn1:
Who exactly were you directing this at? You haven't hurt my feelings. I love a good debate, and I am here to argue my point until a mod closes this thread.

FYI, a good point in a debate is seldom made when it begins with an insult like calling your opponent "baby" or "whiner".

If you want to discuss intelligently, fine. I've already conceded one legitimate point.
[Nexus One General] MrCDWJR:
haha some debate.... FAIL
[Nexus One General] attn1:
Do you know the difference between Engadget and Apple?

Where is Apple's announcement?
[Nexus One General] ShimaMiku:
Can we all just please agree to let everything go and stick to things pertaining to "Apple iOS4 announced today has hard release?"

I hate coming into the thread wanting to read peoples' thoughts, opinions, and information, and instead hear people mad at each other.

This isn't something like a Red Sox/Yankees rivalry, each side has their own opinion and neither side will budge, so lets move on. :D
[Nexus One General] :
I'm not sure if you know this or not, but the conference was held by Apple, and they invited engadget.
[Nexus One General] jz9833:
Got to love how both sides are now calling eachother whiners.

Lets just sum it up for ya'll because both sides seems to be kind of missing eachother arguements.

Side 1:

-Wait for an almost bug free release.

-apple did it too

Side 2:

-don't tell me you've made the best thing since sliced bread and then not let me use it.

Both sides have arguements I agree with. There is no need to call someone a whiner because you disagree with them. This isn't middle school... :cool:
[Nexus One General] ArcanaXVIII:
It was even Steve Jobs himself that talked for all the conference.

Edit : Is a video from the April 8 Iphone OS 4 keynote enough for you? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0xTdlq-njA
[Nexus One General] vitorjna:
h**p://apple.com/iphone/softwareupdate/

I'm glad they don't have a "Coming Soon" banner, but a full, explicit date.

BTW, that was sarcasm
[Nexus One General] velenox:
They said that android 2.2 would be released *soon*in the next weeks. The point is that "next week" can also mean months. This is the only thing that annoys me, they were too vague. Another thing, there are people like me that purchased the phone believing that all the RAM was available and haven't rooted the phone. Five months to get a beta release and use all the memory.

Of course this is only my opinion.
[Nexus One General] mariolopezjr:
Please do not get angry when I say this people, by why isn't this thread closed yet? If we cannot handle ourselves as adults, without saying derogatory comments like "whiners", "crybabies", "shut up", and "piss off", then the thread should be closed. We reflect upon the forum. Would you want a new user to see this thread, see the discussion that is going on, and emulate it in other threads?

Please discuss intelligently, it's what separates us from the other species on the planet.
[Nexus One General] ShimaMiku:
Just think...

Maybe the things they are finalizing for the FroYo release for our N1's are the FM transmitter, HD video recording and some other goodies...

Wishful thinking, but you never know. Could just be the extra "strawberries" on top of an already delicious desert that will be worth waiting for. :):)
[Nexus One General] attn1:
Hey, I agree with you. But this isn't about a difference of opinion any more, this is about a few who don't want to allow others to have an opinion that differs from their own.
[Nexus One General] ap3604:
This thread reminds of when everyone would go CRAZY in threads over the touchscreen not being the best at multi-touch :rolleyes:
[Nexus One General] attn1:
Sure. In an alternate universe. Civilization is what we strive for, but in actuality, it eludes us. See y'all later. I've got other stuff to do for a while.
[Nexus One General] Jack_R1:
The small problem is - there's nothing to discuss. Personal frustration of people is not a common ground for discussion, so is complete blindness to the facts. So yes, this thread should have been closed 6 pages ago.
[Nexus One General] attn1:
before I go: thanks for that. I'll edit my posts when I come back.
[Nexus One General] mariolopezjr:
And while that may be perfectly fine, it doesn't mean that we, as individuals, cannot strive for perfection.

Another argument could be that since we are a violent race and world peace isn't possible, we should abandon all attempts at achieving world peace.

We are capable of so much, but we do not realize the potential. Again, talk intelligently. Just because somebody stoops to a lower level doesn't mean you have too. And this is directed at all people. Do you not want this forum to house intelligent users? It all begins with you.
[Nexus One General] :
What's even crazier is how 2nd rate the digitizer is!

:p
[Nexus One General] RogerPodacter:
do some people not realize that when doing bug fixes to an OS, you cant just magically predict that we will be done on date X? they cant predict the future. google knows that they have some bugs to fix, which should take a few weeks, and then it will be out. how can they predict an exact date people? can someone predict the next time you are going to sneeze, or take a crap, or trip on teh steps? they dont KNOW an exact date yet.
[Nexus One General] kmacks27:
I can predict my next crap T minus 2 minutes. :D
[Nexus One General] walie:
Here:

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/live-from-apples-iphone-os-4-event/

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-os-4-keynote-video-now-online/

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/iphone-sdk-4-beta-now-available-for-download/
[Nexus One General] Jack Everyman:
I don't think you understand what "formally" means. They had an event, an entire event, dedicated to iOS4. The said it would be available with the next iPhone. Today was the unveiling of the next iPhone. They even released the Dev Kit for it back around April 8th.

As far as wanting froyo, I just want the music streaming added to the leaked version.
[Nexus One General] lnjryan:
+1! Best post in this entire thread...
[Nexus One General] Paul22000:
Nexus One/Evo 4G/Incredible/etc: Firm release date.

iPhone 4: Firm release date.

Android 2.2: No firm release date.

iPhone OS 4: No firm release date.

Can you explain what the problem is? Because I'm not seeing it.

:rolleyes:
[Nexus One General] DarkDvr:
Boohoo, cry a river.

Google is working on ironing out the bugs, and judging by the official project issues list, there's a bunch. Give em time, they're working on it.
[Nexus One General] ztm.000:
Re: Apple iOS4 announced today has hard release dates/Froyo release date still eludes

Guess what.

I'm getting iPhone 4

And keeping my Nexus One

So what. Why do we have to fight. You all should be ashamed of yourselves. The majority of us are adults, and yet absolutely NONE of you act like it. I could only imagine what its like talking to you people in person.

Z
[Nexus One General] :
You're balls would be hurting by now for talking to me in that tone.

asflakjdfa;lkj!
[Nexus One General] DarkDvr:
A decent waste of money.

Oh, wait, maybe you can call same person from both phones, and talk on both of them at the same time... Stereo! Woo!

Save the $199 and get urself something deserving.
[Nexus One General] DarkDvr:
Who let junior-high drop-outs into this forum?
[Nexus One General] MaximReapage:
Re: Apple iOS4 announced today has hard release dates/Froyo release date still eludes

TROLL!!!!!

lol jk

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[Nexus One General] pvillasuso:
Offtopic

Like I did ! :D

Just bought an Archos 7 Home tablet .. :eek: $199

going for root ! ( yeah its been done .. :cool: )
[Nexus One General] ztm.000:
Re: Apple iOS4 announced today has hard release dates/Froyo release date still eludes

Money is no problem to me. So literally I can buy whatever I want. Whether it me my C30 or the iPhone 4. Or the first 3D TV. It doesn't matter.

Something deserving? I already have everything I deserve, or could ever want. Why don't you guys find something else to do, rather than gang up on the one trying to make you retarded ****ing adults act your age.

Its an iPhone.

Its the fourth generation.

If you don't like it, learn how to suck your own balls.

Apple is great at marketing, great at selling, great at presenting, great at delivering, and great with pretty much anything that has to do with their products' launch.

Google is horrible at marketing, promising updates, selling phones, and creating new ways to buy them.

But they're a damn good company and have probably made one of the best phones to date (along with HTC's help).

Sure. They said a few weeks from now. Three weeks ago. A few = three (3).

Give them time and space.

All you impatient bastards: go find something to do. Go to work. Raise your kid. Pay your bills. Take a girl on a date. Froyo will roll out when it needs to.

You can like both products for ****s' sake. All of a sudden its like blasphemy to like two different companies at the same time!! OMG what are we all gonna do?

I'm buying the iPhone 4 because I like iPhone. I love the nexus one. That's why I bought it.

I love the house I live in. So I bought it.

I love the C30. So I bought it.
[Nexus One General] Amdathlonuk:
I work in the Aerospace industry....

Remember when we rolled out the B787 Dreamliner... ;)

That was 2 years ago, and it still hasn't isn't near completion, most things are late, it's just the way it is.
[Nexus One General] ap3604:
Ah the joy of being a bigshot :)

Cant wait for the day I could say the same thing (although I would feel too guilty spending good money on extra toy's that I dont need vs giving it to charity)
[Nexus One General] dan1431:
Off-Topic:

I saw a 787 at VCV (about two weeks ago) being worked on by Boeing guys and snapped a few photos of it.

Dan
[Nexus One General] bigmout:
iPhone OS 4 has a release date of June 21. I think that's the problem.
[Nexus One General] Old MuckenMire:
Plus it's not like Google is releasing a whole new freaking phone, it's just an OS for God's sake! They act like they're up there in Mountain View reinventing the freaking wheel!
[Nexus One General] flarbear:
I just wanted to add another dimension to this discussion.

When your product is based on an open source base then word of what you are doing is going to leak much earlier in your development cycle than if you were basing it entirely on a closed (proprietary) source base.

Apple has some open source initiatives (most notably the Webkit project which has greatly benefited many industry efforts out there including Android), but their complete products are largely closed source. Thus, they can release them at any time without any leaks via an externally visible source base.

Google doesn't have that luxury. When they are ready to start filtering the source for the next major release into the open repositories, people will discover that and start announcing it anyway, so why not toot your horn yourself? The down side is that at the time that happens you won't be able to give a firm final release date.

Yes, it's hard to see stuff announced without firm release dates, but it's hard to do last minute announcements like Apple does when you are doing work in the open.

If you like eating sausage, but you hate seeing how it is made - then either stick with sausage that comes from plants that don't give tours (i.e. iPhone), or don't take the tours of the plants that provide them (i.e. don't watch coverage of Google's developers conference), or just use things like this as a teaching opportunity for your inner child when it finds out you are going to Disneyland next month... ;-)
[Nexus One General] Old MuckenMire:
See this post is reasonable to me, but why can't Google communicate better? Maybe they need to hire you.:)
[Nexus One General] mykenyc:
So let me get this straight people are mad because google wanted to show us what is in store for us when they have a stable build of froyo out...so basically they should have never announced anything about froyo at the google i/o...wow ok

I'm not going the name calling route but its really not that serious we got wonderful mods from wonderful people and that still is not enough for some..

regardless if we get froyo today or tomorrow the full potential of it is in the hand of the developers...just a little FYI!!
[Nexus One General] PacoL250:
It's safe to assume that we're all at least a little fed up with how Google operates in regards to solid release dates. Though flarbear couldn't have put it any better, IMHO.

Being a lot more open source makes it a lot harder to pin down release dates as much as one may want to honestly. The open source nature of Android allows for many people to test the OS prior to final deployment and because of how many possible bugs, issues, etc. there could be during the testing phase, it's hard to put out a definitive release date.

Besides, Google I/O was a showcase of upcoming products; there probably was no intention to actually give out a set release date for anything. All we knew going into Google I/O was that there would be Google products on display, nothing more really.

I would hope and think that Google has learned from their marketing snafus in regards to the Nexus One coming to Verizon and Sprint; however, I think we safely blame the breakneck speed at which Android has been pushing releases on the marketing problems (clearly marketing can't keep up with the development pace).
[Nexus One General] pjcforpres:
Dude, click on the damn link and read what it says instead of making assumptions. You will clearly see it is a link to a news article about the iPhone OS 4.0 announcement conference back in APRIL.

Also, Google's PR team could do a better job at over-saturating us, but it seems they rather stand by the whole idea the truth will triumph over stupidity ideal... ie, the truth of the matter is that Google had a conference where they showed off what they were working towards with Android, and FroYo specifically. They didn't give a firm date because there is no point or need to, historically or logically. Why should they give us a firm date? So we can get it after it has been ready for several weeks, or so we can get it before it is ready. Either way, the odds of that firm date being correctly timed to coincide with FroYo's completion is about 0.

Apple has been done with iPhone OS4 for awhile now, and just sitting on it waiting for the new iPhone to launch before release it. Think Google will do that with Gingerbread? Nope, the let 2.0/1 release before the Nexus One, because they aren't PR controlling, Orwellian douche bags.
[Nexus One General] PacoL250:
I agree with your sentiment, but don't you agree that sometimes, you want your marketing to be a bit more on the spot about your products? I am not saying that Google needs a release date announcement, but perhaps more clarification in general on their part.
[Nexus One General] attn1:
Still not an Apple announcement for iOS4, in fact, the product name was not referred to as such until today. What you are quoting is an Engadget synopsysis of a preview of what they were working on. I watched the whole conference. No where does it indicate that iOS4 is ready or imminent, or being announced.

In that conference, Jobs clearly stated that it was NOT a product announcement, and that would be made later when they were ready, and he was crystal clear at many points that they were not yet ready to make a product announcement.

Just like Google has not yet announced Gingerbread - they discussed things they were working on. However, Google announced Froyo as "coming in the next few weeks". By the time they made that announcement, they should have been in the final stages of testing with a full on code freeze for that release. There is still no word on the official release.
[Nexus One General] lewy10:
I feel your pain. Google better get it act together or else.I could give a rats ass about the iphone. But it work be nice if someone hacked a iphone 4G and got it running with Android or Anfroid "F" is for flaky 2.1 or 2.2. I would love to see that.
[Nexus One General] PacoL250:
That was April, this is now. Apple was able to clarify things better than Google has.

In case you're wondering: iOS 4 Release Date: June 21st.

And by what you say, Google should put a code freeze on Android 2.2 just cause they said "coming in the next few weeks?" That doesn't make a lot of sense in the world of development honestly.
[Nexus One General] attn1:
There is a huge difference in the complexity of the product and the nature of that market. They really can't be compared. I would guess that a smartphone is less than a percent of the complexity of a modern jetliner, even as amazing as smartphones today are.
[Nexus One General] mykenyc:
Yea and i doubt even with a release date people will still be satisfied cause now you would actually have to wait. As long as i get froyo all the matters i guess i enjoy other things in my life (not directed towards you in a way just saying).
[Nexus One General] PacoL250:
True, but if you've even remotely worked in the software development industry, then you'll know that release dates never ever stick internally at least.

Just ask Blizzard Entertainment. :D
[Nexus One General] pjcforpres:
They could do a better job in some regards, yes... but at the same time, why should Google have to go out of their way to correct people repeating inaccurate and wrong information?

Google I/O was pretty clear it was them announcing FroYo's feature list and showing off what those mean, but that it wasn't ready yet. Same thing Apple did back in April.

Google just went a step further, and tweeted that the Nexus One would get the first FroYo OTA in the next couple weeks... and it did, granted it was only for media devices and google employee devices... it also stand to reason that couple weeks is a loose term, and for all we know (which is little) we could get OTA's tomorrow, and they just wanted to wait until the day after the Apple conference to not rain on their parade (ie, PR team made the right call to avoid the media sh!t storm that would create)...

But noway can we sit here and say Google has failed because it won't give a firm date for the FroYo OTA... that is stupid for many reasons. Firstly, it means you want Google to either hold off on releasing finished FroYo, or you want them to release it with a bunch of bugs. Secondly, it means you think FroYo is some sort of commodity to be bought, when in reality it is an update to a commodity. PR wise, you give firm release dates for commodities, free updates come when they come, and you don't make any promises on when because that is setting yourself up for failure over something that is free.

It goes on and on regarding reasons why this thread is an epic failure of logic, history, and is clearly an iPhone fanboy trying to bait all of us... if it wasn't for the fact I am bored at work, I would just ignore this, but I enjoy the entertainment of pointing out how dumb this idea is.
[Nexus One General] SiNJiN76:
I can't believe I read this whole thread! LoL.
[Nexus One General] Old MuckenMire:
Well, what's your opinion? :D I'd like to hear from someone who read the whole thing.
[Nexus One General] attn1:
C'mon Paul, you know better than that. The Incredible was announced and released by HTC and Verizon. Google had nothing/zip/zero to do with it, except use it's release as a reason not to release the Verizon Nexus One they'd promised. So even though the Incredible was released on time, Google gets a minus one, while Verizon get a +1.

Yes, iPhone 4 has a release date. But so does iOS4. Today they announced a release date for June 21st.

Also, according to Jobs, it is not iPhone OS4. It is iOS4, because it is not just for the iPhone, but for all the i-devices. That name was given today, as the product was announced.

So, for marketing savvy and managing information in a way that keeps more of their customers happy, score - Apple: 2. Google: 0.

The problem is that nearly every product announcement and release Google has made since January of this year pertaining to Android has been screwed up. They have great products, but they have no clue how to talk about what they are doing without making a lot of consumers impatient and nuts. It also seems like they don't know how to drive a stake in the ground, effect a code freeze BEFORE an announcement and deliver anything before they are late for their own party. I am just saying they could learn something from Apple - not how to make software as much as how to make people less anxious through the waiting process and ultimately, happier with the way they go about their business.

Just an observation, and I have far less of a problem with it than I do with people jumping clear down my throat for making it.
[Nexus One General] attn1:
No, it's not a matter of talking about the future. It's a matter of making an imminent product announcement, then not giving dates or not delivering at all, or releasing less than complete information or no real information at release time. There are people who do business around this stuff, and Google act like - "Hey, you're lucky we're in your corner. Usually, with omnipotence such as ours, you'd be lucky to get anything."

That turns people off big time. I should point out, that it's not nearly as disgusting as Steve Job's attitude that he knows what we want and what we don't (like flash).

It not about the software not being enough at all. I have no problem with Google's products; I am crazy about them and they are coming plenty fast enough for me. It's their product management and communication that needs heaps of help.

I am no fan of the way Apple does most things, but as far as marketing and making people happy goes, Google needs to pay attention. They don't have to do things just like Apple (I hope they don't) but they really need to improve their own way.
[Nexus One General] PacoL250:
You're right, Google, nor any company needs to go out of its way to correct incorrect info (unless it's hurting them maybe) that's being spouted by people not anywhere close to the source. I guess PR-wise with Android, based upon Google's track record with their other products, perhaps it has left some expecting more.

Though, I love your reasoning behind a possible Apple fanboy baiting us, LOL. I actually thought the same thing too. :D

And yes I am bored at work as well; I should be teaching web design, but I'm actually done lecturing and having my students work on their projects. Getting paid to debate this, is well, fun, to say the least. :p :D
[Nexus One General] ap3604:
Paul22000 = XDA forum god with lifetime immunity for me. Even if he were to say something wrong it would be right coming from him ;)
[Nexus One General] chowlala:
Take a chill pill dude. It's Google's first attempt at launching a friggin smartphone and it's OS. It's unlike Apple who has a whole decade of failure vs Microsoft in the 80s and 90s and has finally got some gears going in the 2000s.

Is Google going to **** on us for a decade? Bloody no. Look how we've demanded for all sort of stuff and they've given us more in the Google I/O announcements. And even previewed more than we thought of.

You're comparing a matured Apple product launch vs and infantile Google product launch. You think Google won't step up their game? They will. So recline your seat and go watch some porn. After all, that's what Steve says the Android is for. =P

Cut G some slack. They know they've got lotsa work to do. Not every company has perfected the art of Load and Launch.
[Nexus One General] PacoL250:
A question to the OP:

Are you annoyed with how Google has specifically managed Android's marketing and PR, or are you annoyed with Google's marketing and PR in general?
[Nexus One General] Old MuckenMire:
By the same token, criticism is a good thing. It makes sure and lets them know we're not entirely thrilled with the way things have gone, and that they have work to do.