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[Nexus One General] ShimaMiku:
Do like I did and abandon the text plan all together and save yourselves money. With your N1 you get a Google Voice number that you're allowed to setup. Do that, and then send a text message to everyone you message and give them your "new" number to either replace your number in their phone completely, or just for texts. If you set it up right, as long as they call your google voice number, it will forward to your cell anyway. Give it a few weeks for people to get into the swing of it (people will text your old number, and then reply to them with GV and say you texted the wrong number, and they fix it). Then after a few weeks, pull the text plan off completely. Worked like a charm for me. Having the occassional accidental text at $0.20 is much better than unlimited at $20 (when I now have it for free). :D
[Nexus One General] PacoL250:
Silver Lining to All This

Okay there's a slight silver lining here. :)

So I called AT&T and a rep actually did her job and did some digging into the upcoming new data plans and she summarized then for me (with their respective names and everything, I was impressed).

However, here's the kicker. For those of us who got switched over, we're still allowed to stay on the $30/month plan with the 5 GB limit; unless we call customer service and have a rep mess around with out data options. I was told I would have to call in to make the switch or possibly do it online if the options show up on my account there (she wasn't sure about that part as the plans haven't been released just yet).

So I guess I see it as we either keep a 5 GB bandwidth limit for $30/month or move down to a 2 GB bandwidth limit for $25/month. What's the better value here? Clearly the $30/month plan with 5 GB limit.

Of course, that's only if you really go over 2 GB, though honestly, for only $5 more a month (or perhaps eating out less a month, however you want to look at it), keeping the 5 GB limit is a better proposition.
[Nexus One General] Roxy:
Yup... got the dreaded text this morning

* Cries *
[Nexus One General] coolbho3000:
Got the same thing a while ago on my T-Mobile N1. Switched me from the 15 to 30. :(
[Nexus One General] ap3604:
You mean you were using a T-mobile version on ATT data plan (only edge for you) for $15 and they switched you? Or that you were on a T-mobile $15 data plan and T-mobile switched you?
[Nexus One General] britoso:
ATT forced him into the $30 plan even though he could only use EDGE. (me too)
[Nexus One General] PacoL250:
Now, I'm wondering...

If I call AT&T with my old KRZR I have lying around and I have them switch me over to the dumbphone plan of $30/month for unlimited data & text and then switch back to my N1 in a day or two, when and if they automatically switch me to a smartphone plan, would they switch me to one of the upcoming DataPlus/DataPro plans or a "grandfather" me into a the current $30/month smartphone data plan (unlimited data only)?

Now that's something definitely worth looking into.
[Nexus One General] ap3604:
Wow :eek:

What a bunch of money grubbing dicks :mad:

Att (and Verizon) have gotten WAAAY too cocky in the last few years. Instead of cherishing their customers that keep them in business they screw them without so much as hanging around for breakfast the next morning...
[Nexus One General] britoso:
I've tried this. They run their sweeps every night, sometimes multiple times per day.

Only real way around it is illegal (changing your IMEI)
[Nexus One General] Roxy:
... Is changing IMEI even possible? XD
[Nexus One General] ap3604:
I've always wondered this too!

Is it based off of the amount of time you have it in each phone? Like if you have the sim card in the dumbphone for 16 out of 30 days (over 50% for the month) would the $15/mo plan still be valid? Or is it just based off of what they can see when you call, but as soon as you get off the phone you can switch it?

Anyone working at Att know?
[Nexus One General] PacoL250:
That's what I thought, but I figured I'd ask. Although the specific point here is about what plan they'd switch one over to with the new ones that are coming out. I figure that they're doing sweeps more often lately because of the switch coming soon.

However, if anybody here works at AT&T and wants to enlighten us, that would be nice. :)
[Nexus One General] ap3604:
Oh yes ;)

Ill def look for some good info on this...
[Nexus One General] PacoL250:
Well IMEI changing is illegal (as far as I know)...not something easy to do and not something you want to get caught doing.
[Nexus One General] RogerPodacter:
well i have a FAN discount and use the nexus one witth the 15 dollar plan and still have not gotten the text. but i bet i will be getting it very soon from the looks of this thread. i've been on this plan for over 4 years and have not even walked into an ATT store in that time, nor have i bought any ATT phones in that time.
[Nexus One General] ap3604:
Its only illegal to do it in the UK ;)

U.S. is perfectly fine from what I have read so far...

(Once I find the good info Ill post some links as long as its legal)
[Nexus One General] Amrosorma:
Got the message today at 8:24AM :(

So what is the plan they switched us to? $30 5GB?
[Nexus One General] DarkDvr:
Why would u even tell them that u have a N1? I never told them and never will. And I use my age-old simcard still, works perfectly.

Unless someone has proof, I highly doubt that they query the simcards for phone's IMEI.
[Nexus One General] strongergodzilla:
I told them no such information, and the rep said "well it looks like you are on an HTC nexus one..."

took me for a shocker, I said my "son" handles all the phone stuff, and played ignorant. either way, they KNOW! :eek:
[Nexus One General] arcticreaver:
woke up this morning and got the texts and email.

FFFFFFFFFFFF
[Nexus One General] ap3604:
Yeah same thing happened to me as well. Soon as your on the phone with the rep they check which phone your using :(
[Nexus One General] britoso:
You dont need to tell them, they deduce it using the phones IMEI.

Simcards have a IMSI#, the phone has the IMEI.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Mobile_Equipment_Identity
[Nexus One General] DarkDvr:
Wow... I mean I believe you guys, and AT&T is full of sh*t, we all know that.

But whatever the case, I just got off the phone with AT&T, and she checked with her supervisor. She confirmed that they have intention of changing me from my $19/mo unlimited (about a 5-yr old plan) to their new plans, nor would they switch any other people, including $15/mo plans. She did say that if we were to switch to a new one, u can't go back to your old one, but that's obvious.

They are well aware that I have a smartphone, they think I have their Touch Pro2 which I bought last year from them, officially.

So I dunno.. something's wrong there. Try calling them? Tell them they promised you that u won't be switched? Worth a try..
[Nexus One General] DarkDvr:
So what, they are well aware that I am on a smartphone (that's all I ever had since before they bought Cingular). They never switched me and promise they never will.
[Nexus One General] ap3604:
Just a thought but with the rollout of the new 2gb/month data plans Att might be checking the accounts of people who have gone over 2gb for the last few months to see if they are on the correct plan.

They might not notice/change your plan if you stay under 2gb average each month...

Can anyone who is under 2gb $15 Att plan let me know us prove me wrong?
[Nexus One General] DarkDvr:
Now that's a good idea.. maybe that's the case.

My plan is "Internet/Media Net GPRS WAP UNLTD DOM - ZCW0".. w/e that is, it's $19/mo, got it about 4 years ago on Christmas special.

And yeah, looking at data usage history from Dec 09, maximum I've used is 611MB (May 2010). Rest were 400-500MB/mo.

Maybe it is infact related to your usage (you can check it in ur account at wireless.att.com). Someone should call them and ask if that's the case.
[Nexus One General] britoso:
Good luck to you then (hope your IMEI is outside the range they are aware of), Their reps and managers have known to be oblivious in the past. (I was with them for 7 years)
[Nexus One General] rkboid:
I have been running .5-1 gig
[Nexus One General] lgkahn:
I am not over the limit and have the 10 family plan.. got switched back to it.. but now my i8910 is not getting 3g .. think the ffd something.. i did not go over the limit this month have like 400 meg.. think they must have finally loaded the n1 att imei ranges. I told them i was trying someone elses phone which is kinda true, since i am going back to the 8910

I will test the fact to see if they changed something so i dont get 3g by using my sons sim card this evening.
[Nexus One General] ap3604:
Ok and did you get switched from the $15/mo to the $30/mo?
[Nexus One General] maxh:
Some people have "Smartphone Exclusion". It's a feature they put on peoples accounts back when the smartphone data requirement went into effect. If you had a smartphone and no data plan or the incorrect data plan, they added smartphone exclusion to your account, which in essence grandfathers you. You are immune to the sweeps they do, changing people's data plans. I have smartphone exclusion and I have no doubt that's why I'm still on $15 unlimited medianet with my at&t nexus one.
[Nexus One General] PacoL250:
Doesn't matter if you use less than 2 GB or less than 5 GB. At this moment, the only options people have been using are a $15/month unlimited data (dumbphone plan) or a $30/month unlimited data (smartphone plan). The DataPlus/DataPro plans won't take into affect until next Monday.

Anybody on $15/month dumbphone plan with the N1 gets upped to the $30/month smartphone plan. Simple as that.

However, if you're on that $20/month old smartphone plan, you may end up staying there and being grandfathered in. My GF's dad has an iPhone and has that plan (most likely he's got the original iPhone or maybe even the iPhone 3G; I don't remember). So lucky you if you have the $20/month plan. And let's not forget about the "Smartphone Exclusion" feature some people have grandfathered in. Lucky people. :p

As for knowing what phone we use, once they have the IMEIs in their system, they'll know. Looks like they now know.
[Nexus One General] co.ag.2005:
does this $30 unlimited plan for smartphones include text messaging? I came from an iPhone 3G and put my SIM into my ATT banded Nexus One. I've been paying my iPhone data plan and separate text messaging plan ever since b/c online, ATT still thinks I'm on the iPhone. Is there a way to get the ATT $30 unlimited plan that includes text messages since I am no longer on an iPhone? Thanks in advance!
[Nexus One General] rkboid:
I did get bumped to the $30 at 6:00 this morning. When did the Smart phone exclusion go into effect? I should have had it. A year ago I was using a Tilt with No data.
[Nexus One General] scottyonlive:
The Smart phone exclusion went in to effect last september, when they started requiring new smart phone customers to buy data plans.

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/08/21/att-to-require-smartphone-data-plans-starting-september-6th/

But I should be exempt too because I had the $15 plan 6 months before that, using my xperia x1. Yet I got bumped this morning.

Do the people that think they are exempt see "Smart Phone Exclusion" on their bill, or do you just think you have it?
[Nexus One General] DarkDvr:
ORLY?

And you are AT&T CEO, Mr Randall Stephenson?

There are many people here with $15/mo and $19/mo plans that are not bumped up.
[Nexus One General] DarkDvr:
Nope, first time I hear that term. And I discussed this openly with several AT&T reps, and they never mentioned it.
[Nexus One General] luffyz:
yup they just switched me to the $30 plan. I just got my Nexus for a month
[Nexus One General] strongergodzilla:
It seems that the vast majority of us who were on the 15, or 10 dollar data plans have been bumped up. In fact, I think EVERYONE in this thread has been bumped unless they were on the 19.99 data plan that had been grandfathered from the cingular days. :o
[Nexus One General] attn1:
I think Verizon is going to do the same thing AT&T has already done:

http://www.mobilebusinessbriefing.com/article/verizon-to-introduce-tiered-pricing-for-lte

They've been conspicuously quiet since the AT&T announcement, and have announced plans to do this even before AT&T sprang their surprise.
[Nexus One General] RogerPodacter:
that's not a bad theory. i still have not been switched, and i never break the 2GB mark each month. i've always managed to stay at 1GB to 1.5GB. maybe they are leaving those users alone who fall into this usage category.
[Nexus One General] RogerPodacter:
when i check my account online, i do not see any smartphone exclusion feature. but is it something that you can see yourself online, or do you have to call in and have a rep tell you this info? FYI i'm still using the 15 dollar plan, have not been switched yet, have a FAN discount plan, and do not think i have the exclusion on my account.
[Nexus One General] attn1:
I am not actually IN Hartford. I am about 25 minutes away, and there is no 3g here on T-mo.
[Nexus One General] RogerPodacter:
yeah not everyone. i still have my 15 dollar data plan that i have had for 4 years, using my nexus one. its possible that i too will be getting the text message very soon. but so far nothing...
[Nexus One General] attn1:
ETF for what? They don't add a contract just because they put you on another plan.

Most data I've used in a month is 480 MB. They switched me almost immediately after I plugged sim into the N1.
[Nexus One General] arcticreaver:
well, it looks like at&t just got a PHAT chunk of change from their users.

btw - when i called them this morning about the plan change, they thought i was using a blackberry. i've had my nexus one for 1 month or so.

i WAS using the Xperia X10 and Nokia E71 before my Nexus One. i went and checked my data usage and it went from 500 megs to 2.7 gigs. yeah i guess my usage give it away LOL
[Nexus One General] subramanianv:
Not true. I never crossed 1 GB. My max usage is 800 MB. But I got bumped.

I do like to know from those who are still in $10, $15 and $19 plans, are you guys running stock 2.1 OS or rooted/Froyo?

I am running stock 2.1. I dont believe that matters in this case, but I am just curious.
[Nexus One General] DarkDvr:
Nah FroYo has absolutely nothing to do with it. N1 is Google's baby, and would never report AT&T stuff.

I'm at 19.99 running froyo.
[Nexus One General] RogerPodacter:
i've been running stock ROM. but i JUST finally rooted a few days ago and now am trying out latest cyanogen. i was planning on trying froyo today.
[Nexus One General] jacka$$1:
Cool! Lemme know how that goes.

BTW, I'm still on the $10 plan. No switcheroo yet. Perhaps being out-of-contract could be my saving grace? Dunno, and I really don't care if I get switched. I'll still save over $20 per month since I dropped my cable internet service. If I do get switched, that's just $30 a month for fast-as-(sometimes even faster)-than-cable 3G speeds for both home, roaming, and work! And grandfathered?!! Win Win as far as I'm concerned.
[Nexus One General] subramanianv:
Well.. There is no way AT&T could find out I am on a N1, unless Google had shared my IMEI to AT&T.
[Nexus One General] PacoL250:
With that attitude, I don't think you bothered to read the rest of my post now did you?

If I was the AT&T CEO, don't you think I would have sent everybody here a "cease and desist" letter? ;) :p

The point has already been made by others, but at least those on the $15/month "dumbphone" data plans have been booted up. That's what I was on for about 2 months, along with others. Not everybody has been booted up, but one can expect they will be sooner rather than later. I already made mention of certain plans being "grandfathered" in and also one having the "smartphone exclusion" feature.

You're right, Froyo has nothing to do with the bump, but you're wrong on Google not giving AT&T the IMEI numbers of the phones.

You might not have read about it, but Google is essentially ending selling the N1 exclusively online. The article was on Engadget, but the general point of the article was that they were going to start having the carriers sell the N1 instead of selling it exclusively online. On that note, you can expect Google to give the wireless carrier (in this case, AT&T) the IMEI numbers for phones they could carry on their network, including ones that have already sold.

It was also on HowardForums, but one of the members there, who works for AT&T made a point about how AT&T was receiving the IMEI numbers for the AT&T/Rogers compatible N1s soon.

Neither does not having a contract help our case. My line was not on contract (my parents who are on my plan, are), yet I got upped to the $30/month plan.

It's not "betrayal" by Google (really folks it's not), just common business sense on their part. If we want to blame anybody, blame AT&T for having crappy data plans & services. Trust me, I am pissed about this specific issue; more than the introduction of their new DataPlus/DataPro plans (of which the DataPlus plan is really a load of poppy-****).
[Nexus One General] maxh:
I have smartphone exclusion, and I can see it online. Log in to OLAM, click "Manage Features" in the quicklinks section to the right of where it shows the pic of your phone, then click "View all included features" in the middle and kind of to the right of the screen.

I am still on the $15 medianet with my nexus one.
[Nexus One General] :
If changes are made to plans for people under contract, they are legally binded to allow the customer to leave the contract without an ETF.
[Nexus One General] mrslayer007:
got it too

i got the text saying that i have a smart phone, i just got my nexus for At&t but i got the edge plan ($10) because previously i had an unlocked g1(thnx T-mo) for a while. they said they switch my plan but gave no other details, im on a family plan and i cant actually call about the account, this worries me.

plus i go way way way way way way over 2 gb a month.

they should just limit to new apple users. no offense or anything, but iphone is the majority of the data problem for at&t anyways. i don't want to get punished for iphone data hogs

Im really pissed with this.
[Nexus One General] attn1:
if you go "way way way way way way over 2 gb a month" then you have no business calling anyone a data hog! How much data are you using? if they switched your plan then they put you on the $30.00 data unlimited plan. Text is separate.

If you go over 2gb a month, then the $30.00 unlimited data is your cheapest solution.
[Nexus One General] avoozlholland:
Smartphone Exclusion

I have a n1, and am on the $15 unlimited data plan. I discovered that I too have a "Smartphone exclusion." This is probably because I used to own a Tilt without a data plan, and then had the $15 data plan for my old Razor.

Does this mean that I will be immune from these "sweeps" for life? For what it's worth, I have averaged about 550mb of usage per month over the 2 full billing cycles I have had the n1.
[Nexus One General] kamasi36:
I am glad I dropped AT&T. I had unlimited data only, no voice and mobitv. I was doing all my calling over Skype 3G had got so bad that it was worthless after 9AM, too much traffic. Also have T-Mobile unlimited everything on family plan. 50 a month and 3G is way better in my area. Also 10 GB limit but if you go over they don't throttle you or charge overage fees. AT&T is garbage.
[Nexus One General] McHale:
The smartphone exclusion will go away when you re-up your contract or get a new phone through AT&T. If you never change your plan or your IMEI never changes in the system, the exclusion will remain. This has been confirmed to my by our corporate AT&T rep who I am personal friends with.

FYI, I'm on the MediaMax 200 plan from the old Cingular days *AND* I have the Smartphone Exclusion. I have not received the dreaded text yet and I've had the AT&T N1 since the day it was released.

NOTE: For those who have been "conveniently" switched, if your info doesn't state it, please state where you live. I'd be curious if they are regional sweeps. I've yet to meet anyone in the midwest that got hammered yet.

-Mc
[Nexus One General] DarkDvr:
So, then how come that when I was switching from att fuze to att tilt2 (year ago) which I bought officially thorough the att phone rep, I didn't get switched? And she directly confirmed that I will never get switched? And I never did...

Or these are new rules and only apply to recent purchases?
[Nexus One General] McHale:
the smartphone exclusion is newer than that.

What data plan do you have out of curiosity?

But I don't know how to reiterate that many of us were promised we would never lose our grandfathered unlimited data, 1500 text, 200 MMS plans and we all did. My current UNL data w/ 200 text was the best I could get back but I'm sure I'll lose that in short order. I'm going to call corporate tomorrow and see what they say about it. I'll know MUCH more in a few hours.
[Nexus One General] r45k:
Heh, I've been doing this for about two years now (using a smart phone on a dumbphone plan...) and got my N1 less than a month ago...

Got the text this morning also.... adios $10/mo
[Nexus One General] Surin1221:
ok.. so i work for the devil.. i mean AT&T and i can shed some light for you guys

part of the policy for any new smartphone is to have the data plan, they can search IMEI numbers(every time you make a data connection the billing system actually gets your IMEI number) and there is a whole customer care article about the nexus one and the data plan requirement for it.

just like verizon, if you have a smartphone you need the data plan.

you are just lucky they decided to do it BEFORE the change.

and as to the person that is going to be getting their N1 in two weeks, call up and request to add the smartphone data while you still can lol
[Nexus One General] McHale:
thanks for the info. Do you know if the reason some of us HAVEN'T been "conveniently" changed over to the new plan because we have the Smartphone Exclusion on our plans?
[Nexus One General] McFroger3:
I am so glad i do not have att anymore. No unlimited data plan anymore. That is retarded. Specially for phones that use a lot of data when you use the services the phone has. Glad T-Mobile has great coverage where I am.
[Nexus One General] Surin1221:
if you have a data plan, the smartphone exclusion doesn't help you at all.

they probably haven't searched your market/number block/whatever yet.

i forget when it was but as of sometime late last year, if you upgraded, changed or anything to a smartphone you have to have a 30 dollar data plan(sms is extra)

even if you toss your sim from a razr into an iphone to make a quick call you can get that $30 plan forced on there(had a customer with that issue before.. i work customer care)

and once you get forced with that data plan, your account basically gets watched for future usage so if you switch everything you will have a problem if you switch back.
[Nexus One General] dharani1234:
Need Help Urgent!!

Guys... I have gone through the whole thread and now I have a question.

I have recently taken the connection from AT&t and said that I don't want any phones so I have a $0 contract agreement. I have given them the IMEI number of my samsung INNOV8 while registering. I am about to activate my new number today afternoon. Should I take the $15 plan or the $30 plan ?

Please advise ...
[Nexus One General] DarkDvr:
$19.99/mo unlimited.

Since then I bought (from AT&T) Kaiser, Touch Pro and Touch Pro2.
[Nexus One General] scottyonlive:
I live in kansas (yes, I do get 3G here) and got switched yesterday.

Because you work for AT&T, could you clarify to everyone what the "smartphone exclusion" is. I don't think everyone in this thread (myself included) has a good understanding of what it really means.