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[HD2 General] appelflap:
Some people like to drive a BMW, others like to drive a Toyota Prius. Me, I like to drive a Mercedes :)

I don't believe there's some killing going to happen in this field. It's not just about functionality these days. It's also a matter of taste, feeling and personal preferences. In short: it is all about which device suits you better.
[HD2 General] M3PH:
Ok, now i've seen it all. We have someone here that thinks an iPhone is a benchmark! I suppose in one sense he is correct. It is a benchmark for how to get your advertising and image right in order to sell a crap load of kit, at a high price, that tbh isn't that great. I have used both the original iPhone and an iPhone 3GS and they are awful. Granted niether was jailbroken but i found them very hard to use, the lack of multitasking and copy/paste functionality was nothing more than daft for an alleged market leader and the part that broke the deal for me was the app store. I'm buggered if i'm my freedom of choice of where i get programs for my device from is restricted. It is technically illegal because it allows apple to dictate who writes apps for their device (an iphone is never really yours tbh) and you then get into situations like no flash ever unless adobe releases the spec to the open source community, which is never going to happen. That decision by apple in itself was a major mistake. I can respect WM6.5 didn't get flash because MS failed to include an API or two because that will get fixed in WP7.

The WP7 arguement is also daft. The reason any of us really uses windows mobile is the fact that it is pretty fully featured, has a resonably familiar UI and when your not faced with a buggy version (points at WM 6) it's pretty fast and easy to use. WP7 is going to remove all of that in favour of (from what i can tell is) an iOS like ethos. If that isn't changed (and at this late stage i really don't think it will be) i'll go running back to nokia and their new bread of open symbian and linux based phones. The only thing that will make me think twice about it is the above mentioned flash support that adobe has promised.

P.S. The new polished aluminium finish reminds me of the stainless steel bonnets/hoods you can get for the Rolls Royce Phantom Drop-head. Very tacky and austintatious.
[HD2 General] M3PH:
So it is about functionality but more specifically if you actually need any. If you do you buy windows mobile and if you don't iOS
[HD2 General] cyberra2n:
Maybe Iphone Kill HD2 but HD3 Kill IpHone
[HD2 General] :
all they've said is a4 processor i haven't heard 1ghz at all
[HD2 General] M3PH:
I had a couple of iphone using friends qoute me 1Ghz cpu and 256MB's of ram for the 4G. So i guess the rumour mill is a churning. Mind you when i told them that the HD2 has 576mb of ram if you remove the software lock they changed the subject very quickly
[HD2 General] Spl4tt:
i lol'd when i saw this.. like last time when the 3gs came out i have to say again..

gz apple, welcome to yesterday.
[HD2 General] appelflap:
Don't forget the emotional aspect. It is the focus on this aspect (amongst others) that has made apple big. People like to have an iPod, iPhone or iWhatever. Why? Go figure and become rich :D
[HD2 General] appoggio:
As usual you fall in the same mistake.

HD2 and Iphone are two DIFFERENT devices for two DIFFERENT targets.

My balls are full of this feud.
[HD2 General] dazkool:
In a word....... NO!

I hate anything made by Apple.
[HD2 General] appelflap:
Don't know, I considered both when I needed a new phone. I didn't thought that I did choose between two different, uncomparible devices.

Problem is, and scientific research is more and more showing this, that people aren't that rational when they are making choices (a very weird conclusion for many western people who grew up in a culture with a very rational tradition :) )
[HD2 General] ayilm1:
In all honesty, the only thing i want from that phone is the OS. Not to have it as the main OS but as a dual boot option (slim chance this'll happen). The HD2, a 6 month old device, is practically on par with the current iPhone's hardware specifications. The only advantage I can think of is the 720p recording. But there should theoretically be a way to enable this on the HD2 shouldn't there? Maybe not with winmo but if Android is a successful port. Because, correct me if I'm wrong but, doesn't the HD2 use the same gen processor as the custom A4? A Cortex-A8? So the hardware is capable (5MP sensor), we just gotta find out how to put it to work. An iPhone OS port, although slim, would be great. Winmo is a dying OS for app development but is a damn powerful system. Do your work stuff on winmo, and play on iPhone OS. Now wouldn't it be heaven to show the iPhone fans how it's really done. Heck, the HD2 may very well run it faster too.
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
may be it is not clocked at 1ghz to save batery (underclocked a4 processor)
[HD2 General] ayilm1:
Well... Apple's only got one A4 so its bound to be the same but underclocked version as the iPad's. So... I think they are both the A4 and the QSD are A8 processors. Care to shed some light anyone?
[HD2 General] MalekoUK:
Due to the limitatiosn on Apple products, I would never buy it.

The only Apple product I have is an iPod, but now I hardly use that, I have started to put my music on my HD2.

You don't need to be clever to own an Apple product, all you have to do is take it out its pretty, waste of packaging box, turn it on and your 8 yr old child can set it up.

Thats why people like them, there easy to use and pretty.

Kind of like a PC for dummies :P

But hey, I'm not knocking Apple, they have grabbed the market by the balls.
[HD2 General] Shylock:
I own both an iPhone 3GS and an HD2.

I use both phones daily.

I bought the HD2 mainly due to the large screen. I assumed the 1GHz SnapDragon would be a great boon.

Analysis:

HD2-

1) Lovely large screen.

2) Lack of stability. Crashes several times a day at unpredictable times necessitating battery removal and reinsertion.

3) Unresponsive screen, difficulty selecting links, very poor pinch and zoom.

4) Keyboard is a disaster. Surgical precision with vertical finger motion needed to prevent wrong characters being selected. Limited support for multi-language text input and display.

5) User interface is a mess. HTC Sense helps somewhat, but the haphazard distribution of "settings" menus.

6) Wifi issues. Delay in HD2 joining a programmed network on changing locations. May need to be manually reselected before joining again.

iPhone-

1) Small screen.

2) Stability. My iPhone has been running 3 months without crashing, rebooting or needing to be shut down. Individual applications may crash occasionally without affecting the operating system, you just relaunch the application.

3) Screen is a pleasure to use. It is very responsive to input. Links work accurately pinch and zoom is smooth.

4) Keyboard though smaller than HD2's is precise and much faster to use. Multi-language text input and display.

5) Well planned and integrated menu hierarchy. Settings menus are integrated and easily located.

6) Wifi generally works well. Will connect smoothly to pre-programmed networks as you change location.

Conclusion:

Besides the large screen, the HD2 has few redeeming qualities. It is crude and unpolished. It underwhelms.

The iPhone is a well crafted and polished device. It is a pleasure to use.

Overall the HD2 is vastly inferior to the iPhone 3GS. I assume the iPhone 4 will widen that gap.

I would be interested in comparing the iPhone 4 with the HTC EVO!
[HD2 General] ayilm1:
Actually no. The HD2 isn't an inferior device at all. If you compare the devices only, the HD2 blows the iPhone out of the water, including the current one. It's the OS that lets this magnificent device down. Find a way to run iPhone or Android OS on the HD2 and you'll go mad trying to comprehend what Apple was thinking. :p
[HD2 General] Kalavere:
The iPhone isn't a benchmark, it's just sold more units than other smartphones, that's it. It's called smart marketing, something Apple do very well.

This year Qualcomm are releasing a 1.3Ghz & 1.5Ghz dual core. And a mobile 1.2Ghz Snapdragon is well, well on the way. WM 7 has room for 4 gig of RAM with the OS it's based around and Apple come up with the 512Mb RAM iPhone 4?

HTC all the way, they are most definatly the innovators, Apple should have something to worry about if WM 7 is half decent and they can start knocking out an OS with unified software. (Apples biggest selling point)
[HD2 General] spike15_mk:
My personal opinion is that the iPhone is a nice phone. That's it. But on the other hand is very very limited. So in the end people(the buyers) will decide according to their needs. If they want fancy good looking phone to put on the table while drinking coffee and do not want to bother with customize, flashing, modding-I am quite sure that iPhone users do not know what this mean ;), they will choose iPhone. But on the other hand, there are users like us, who want to play, customize, change, experiment, upgrade, modd etc and be happy about that, that proudly will say HD2 rocks :D. Well this is my opinion. So to say that iPhone 4G is HD2 killer....well I am not quite sure

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[HD2 General] ayilm1:
lol. Why would you need 4gb of ram in a phone? My MacBook runs blazingly fast with 4gb. My HD2 has not once stalled and its got 576! Maybe we will in 10 years when we've got notebook specs crammed into something the size of the HD2, but till then, I'll pass. :D
[HD2 General] Xp3RiM3nT:
yes it doesnt doesnt it :D

why does yours do this, mine doesnt? I use my phone excessively and it hasnt crashed seriously in months. sometimes tcpmp crashes but i just go to task manager and kill it and restart, not the end of the world and certainly doesnt require a restart.

I think this is a problem with you just not being used to your own device, If you use both devices then you are probably more used to one of them and from this it sounds like you have become used to the iPhone and therefore think the hd2 is **** just because the same actions dont quite work on the hd2. The thing is i found the actions on the hd2 really annoying untill i started using them, I learnt how to perform them perfectly every time and now I never have issues with pinch to zoom or clicking links.

I have to disagree masively, I am now quite comfortable typing on my HD2 with two hands/thumbs, typing far faster than I have ever been able to on any other phone I have used previously. The HD2 's keyboard is so good you can just hit in the general area of a key and it will select the right key with xt9 thing turned on.

to be honest, yes, the user interface allows you to do so much that if your not careful you can get lost or confused if you are used to such a basic "menu" of an interface like the one found on the iPhone which takes basic interface to a whole new level of simplicity and stupidity.

Not had this problem, I have 6 different wifi networks i regularly use, the phone is always connected to them as soon as I pick it up to use it in any of the locations.
[HD2 General] Xp3RiM3nT:
In fairness, you may think there is no point to having a 4 gb option but unless you keep ahead of the curve with limitations built into an OS you can very quickly find yourself stuck on the limits of the OS and not on the limits of the hardware which is a very bad place to be as other manufacturers wont have the same OS limitations you do.
[HD2 General] kidd78:
yes the new iphone is gonna be tempting coz of advertising, but like all products wait till its out and people get their hands on it. Then you start hearing complaints about not being good enough blah blah.

Funny really that this will set some more better standards for WinMo phones and soon roll out great phones from companies such as HTC.

Only Apple item I had was the first Ipod and I wasnt greatly amazed with it so I gave it away. Anything Apple is great for show and talk but nothing substance in a lot of areas.

I guess this will add further to the fan boy arguement of Windows Mobile versus Iphone, with now growing Android getting more and more better.

I'm waiting for the next HTC WinMob phone.
[HD2 General] argentocruz:
My mate has a 3gs and we were watching several youtube reviews...

Its improved but still limited as all hell...

Also its now ugly... All the smooth curves have gone...
[HD2 General] Xp3RiM3nT:
in three months people will be saying how amazing it looks, "the hard lines and rectangular setup make it look so much better than the curved **** people are bringing out."

Its a shame but unfortunately people would think a **** sold from apple as the revolutionary i**** was amazing and so much better than all the previous **** you could get.
[HD2 General] lemonspeakers:
love this! amazing and it really sums up the point of having a the hd2.

to anyone who has the hd2 and does not do this? move along and sell your hd2. its not worth your time.
[HD2 General] chmun77:
I will give iPhone 4 a try though when it is released. Is good to try out other models of phones than just reading negative comments given by others who do not even have a chance to lay the hands on the phone yet. Personally, I find the h/w and build of the iPhone4 very impressive. User experience is my top priority. HD2 is good, but not good enough.
[HD2 General] lemonspeakers:
It's so funny that after Using the HD2 for so long, i think your use of word to describe the iphone's screen "Small" is wrong. I would rather use "Tiny" for that matter.

See? Get it? You use something that sounds and looks great because apples's smart psychological advertising methods made you think its a holy magical product. And you fell for it. You just got PWND. Apple owns you now. But you then move onto another phone and think it's crap.

That's just the way the human mind works. Pinch to zoom works like a charm. It's just not pinching and zooming on an iphone that makes you feel like it's crap.

Time to grow up and use the big man'sphone. :rolleyes:
[HD2 General] Big June:
What!!!!

Hi.. The iphone is cool in its on way!!! But HD2 is way cooler I just got one and love it...
[HD2 General] enyaj:
Totally agree. Whenever apple introduces something new to their devices, they almost always make everyone believe that they were the one who invented it. And sad thing is, there are a lot of ignorant fools that believe them. I mean copy and paste??? WTF!!! I had that in my SPV Tanager like 10 yrs ago! C'mon! I think HTC and Microsoft has got to step up their marketing of their Mobile phones. Iphone is all hype for me.
[HD2 General] Xp3RiM3nT:
I think one of the main problems with winmo phones is that it has always been that microsoft made the os and the people like samsung/htc/o2 made the devices, it really shows that advertising seems to be a lot better or more focused or something on phones like the iPhone and the nexus one where the device os maker and the manufacturer of the device are the same company. (i am not entirely sure as to exactly why this is the case).

maybe its the fact that there has been too huge a range of winmo phones available previously? advertising all of them in the same way the iphone and the nexus one gets advertised is just too hard and costs too much money.

it is a shame that one of the best features of these phones is that one thats stops it getting the publicity it deserves :(
[HD2 General] kriDje:
No way. :D
[HD2 General] hagba:
Ive been using an Iphone for the last 3 years,and switched to WM and HD2 the last couple of months now,am I happier now? Yes waayy happier than I had the Iphone.

Just to mention one of the reasons,I can not live with a smaller screen any more.!!(sorry if this sounded too loud)
[HD2 General] Tunay:
No way. HD2 is still the king!
[HD2 General] gunther stern:
Anything Apple has a lack of substance? In a lot of areas? What areas would that be? So you owned an mp3 player from Apple, but have you worked on a 8 core Mac Pro running creative applications like Logic, ProTools and Final Cut Studio? If you need it you'll find plenty of substance there.

Lifestyle users ignore the need factor and will never shut up defending their shallow decision, no matter what ever platform they think makes them look cool. Show and talk, it happens here too, just look at this topic.
[HD2 General] Xp3RiM3nT:
people keep talking about the larger screen of the HD2 as one of the best features of winmo, I think thats slightly wrong, yes its amazing that htc has come up with such a good device with a screen you can actually use nicely and comfortably and (too use an apple phrase) "it just works". but the screen is not a feature of windows mobile, you have to also praise some of the features of winmo that has enabled htc to develop such an awesome device.

Winmo is so good because it allows you to do what you want. Just look at the roms section to see how varied and different you can make the phoen with relatively minor modifications. There is also noone saying "no you may not load that application on youir phone" if you want a desktop replacement application go for it, a new browser that competes with ie on the phone? well this is a no brainer most carriers install opera since its well known to be far better ;), development for winmo is encouraged not restricted and this is probably the best feature of winmo, not a large screen ona single winmo device :D

rant over :P
[HD2 General] Kalavere:
Well that's the point isn't it? To have the ability to upgrade, Apple put all their eggs in one basket with one phone, where as WM/Android and the plethora of other mobile OS's don't. Longevity is the key, and I can't see the iPhone 4 lasting too long with lesser specs than a 7 month old HD2.

But with that said, Apple do seem to have a miraculous ability to pull power from lesser specs. I think a trip to the Apple store is in order tomorrow to check out the hype.
[HD2 General] Xp3RiM3nT:
you are right there are decent applications for the mac and yes you can get an 8 core mac pro. One of the main things I see everyday seems to be that the "only" choice for visual developers, designers and also code developers more and more is a mac for some reason?

No application you have on the mac does not have an equivalent or better version for the a windows machine (and some even have better or equivalent linux versions) unfortunately these are not well advertised and also do not have the cult following that the mac and its applications have.

do i dare say this?

mac followers = twilight fans?
[HD2 General] Spl4tt:
im pissed about hearing ppl the wohle time, saying the iphone is the best phone.. IT JUST ISNT

its the easiest phone, thats all, its just that easy that u cant do something wrong, it just works

so its a good phone for ppl who dun care about their phone and just need to look good + doing basic stuff with it. but it will never be the best phone, cause the possibilities of an iphone compared to a phone like the HD2 are equal 0
[HD2 General] shutdown:
I have to admit I am slighty tempted to go for the 4G. I hated the iPhone design but quite like this one. There are just so many apps coming out now for the iPhone that support my job (video DP and photographer)

Don't get me wrong though. I love my HD2, love the screen, love the feel and functionality of it "as is" but alas those few apps that would help are not available and probably never would be available in a winmo flavour.

i feel such a traitor lol but I am a mac user (note: didn't say mac fanboy)
[HD2 General] gunther stern:
True, but besides my point: all I'm saying there is plenty of good stuff to be found on Apple. There is a choice and with the right motivation you can find what you need on either platform.

As for Mac being the 'only choice' for visual developers, I can only speak from my personal opinion and experience: unlike a Windows machine a Mac is a Mac, wherever you go, wherever you are. As a creative professional that gets paid by the hour my clients don't want me to sit down somewhere and spend half a day tuning the computer I'm working on, killing background tasks and deleting registry keys. I also don't want to spend time figuring out whether the company I send my work to has a computer that's powerful enough to deal with my projects. The biggest downside of Apple is also their biggest plus: uniformity.

I must admit that this is changing tho, Windows has become a serious platform in my field of work whilst Apple seems to like their lifestyle status and seems to change it's policy where Pro doesn't stand for Professional anymore, but for Pro-Sumer.
[HD2 General] fred_up:
Why slag of Apple? They completely control the hardware design and manufacture, the operating system and every application that can be installed on it. So it should work like a dream.

They took a very stable and secure linux operating system and put a nice front on it for their desktops and laptops.

Apple have about 12 items in their hardware range:

3 laptops & 3 desktops, so basically tweaking the same operating system.

3 music players

3 phone-ish devices (iphone, ipad and ipod touch) tweaks on the same o/s.

They update OS10 to 10.1, 10.2, etc and change for this to great applause, yet m/s bring out a service pack with updates and new features for free they get slagged off.

Apple are definitely not style without substance. But they definitely know how to promote.

Now microsoft have to build an operating system for who-knows what devices. They rely upon the component manufacturers to make drivers to interface properly with the operating system. Then anyone can make make software for this o/s and sell it (or freely issue it) with no idea of the full implications on how it may react with the o/s or other software. So the fact that it works so well is a dream.

Apple allows you to boot up a mac with Windows XP - and remember Apple control the drivers for their own computers. As long as I am running well known software, I never have a problem with an XP mac.

If the iPhone o/s is so good, then why don't Apple port it onto the HD2?
[HD2 General] Kalavere:
Seems I may have been wrong, maybe it does use 256Mbs RAM? :eek:

That's got to be speculative.
[HD2 General] RReckless:
I wouldnt buy an IPhone because im totally against the way its closed down but I dont think there are a lot of people that feel that way. I also dont believe its got anything to do with what hardware is better or what has more ram or a faster processor. I think its all to do with the bus driver that says "hey look at this new app, it works out all my shifts and is specifically designed for bus drivers"

The Hiker, the painter, the office worker,etc etc

Who cares about video chat, Its been out for years but when a few thousands people start writing ingenious little apps for it all of a sudden it becomes interesting.

Personally I think its all about the apps. If its not, why are we all so happy with CHT 1.8. The only difference is they have thousands and we only have a few.

I love my HD2 but knowing that WM is not going to be further developed means its life span isnt going to be very long no matter how pretty and powerful it is.

WM7 for me equals a windows Iphone.

My long term bet would be Android because its a more open platform and I read recently that android phones are starting to outsell Iphones which means it will become a more interesting option for the App developers.

RReckless
[HD2 General] brekem:
Apple = Marketing

i just see this video and i wanna buy it

http:// www. youtube. com/watch?v=aihLy3p6Ux4
[HD2 General] appoggio:
Good for you, just send my regards to the kangaroo jumping in and out you @$$... applefan-loser.
[HD2 General] BearsLikeHats:
This doesn't make me want to buy it at all. Almost half of the video is about video calling, which I couldn't care even slightly less about. I also find the 3gs better looking, and the screen is still 3.5", which is for me impossible to choose over the hd2 screen.

EDIT: wow, they actually made a seperate video for the video calling now...