[HD2 General] Xp3RiM3nT:
I was referring to the menu/home screen system on the iphone versus the menu/home screen on the hd2

noone can argue that the iphone menu isnt basic and over simplified, one of the criticisms of the iphone is its lack of support for widgets and a decent home screen. These features have been well thought of in the hd2 (and many other winmo phones) and with the increased functionality of cookies home tab this is one of the best areas of the phone.

I realise that every iphone owner has to make do with the limitations of their device. At least win mo users try to fix the limitations, try and do the same for apple devices and you end up with either an insecure unusable, jailbroken phone or you cant fix them because steve jobs says so.

I have not applied any tweaks, I have not applied any hotfix cabs, I have however installed one custom rom. However most of the stuff done within the custom rom can be done manually without using a new rom.

I install **** loads of stuff to my phone, I have far more applications on it than my friends have on their iPhones, I have more and a varied style of games on my HD2 thanks too various games developers and also various emulators available for the HD2, I have more web browsers installed too my phone than I really need tbh, I have a choice of navigation software from google maps too tomtom. I have numerous of other applications that iPhone owners could only dream of having for their own phones.

Do i see any instability? When was the last time anything on my phone crashed? TCPMP crashes but thankfully I have a task manager which is easily accessible, 5 seconds and i can have it restarted and sorted. there is never a need to restart or reset the device.

noone has been aggressive or rabid. I think I have voiced my opinion the loudest recently and I certainly have not made anything personal.

unfortunately however some people do feel strongly about this because it sickens people to see others so totally in awe of such an average device, just because some guy in a turtleneck says its the device they should own.

You are right, unfortunately I think you beleive that apple have done this, they havent. A menu is not a user interface, we have had menu's for years its not new or revolutionary or even "well thought out" its basic and lacking in functionality. The iPhone OS is so finely tuned you can only run one application at a time(dont bring up new multitasking, its not even real multitasking). A "finely tuned" OS should allow the user to run what he wants, when he wants, while doing whatever else he wants. Having a single task system has not been acceptable in the pc market for a long time and is not acceptable in the smart phone market either. Its a cop-out for making it easy to avoid many masive programming problems such as memory leaks, application crashes and threading.

I disagree with part of your disagreement, I can prove that the general public is unintelligent and will buy anything they are told too, if you say it is shiny. I went back to my family home today after finishing university. I recently bought a new laptop with a multi touch screen (tx2) and I was using it in the lounge when my sister walked into the room, the laptop was in its tablet mode and she said "oh, you bought an iPad".

There is no scam here, the iPhone does exactly what steve jobs says it will do, unfortunately he has made out(subtley) that the device is the first too do many of things it can do, and that each new successive device adds new features that the simply must have.

Unfortunately the large majority of the public if you showed them a hd2 they would say oh is that the new iPhone.

oh dang thats a long post, took me a while, sorry for any typos and these are only my opinions they are not an attack on anyone. and they may be wrong or based on bad information.