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[Nexus One General] [IO]ERROR:
Not true. I was an iPhone 3gs owner till my N1. While I do miss some of the games (scrabble and Monopoly {yes we have this but it sucks compared]) the over all function of my N1 has made me wonder how I didn't make the move sooner.

Maybe it's the geek in me, but I love flashing new roms to get new features and check out all the cool things my phone can do. I rooted my phone the day I got it and didn't think twice about it.
[Nexus One General] ChillRays:
free Google navigation > 100 dollar (less attractive) Garmin app.
[Nexus One General] Geo411m:
Also, teardowns showed that the phone has 256MB of RAM built into the system-on-a-chip. So it looks like android out does iOS in the ram department.
[Nexus One General] mariolopezjr:
Actually, even though iPhone battery may last longer on a single charge, Android has the edge because not only is the battery removable, you can buy it cheap (25$) from Google. Or you can buy larger aftermarket batteries.

(Winner - Android)
[Nexus One General] Andrewtst:
Screen Resolution - iPhone 4 Win

Multitouch - iPhone always implementing it well. iPhone is more than 2 touch where this is main drawback of Nexus One.

Customization - Android win, android more freedom and greatly support widget. iPhone interface the only can change is wallpaper and icons (after jailbreak)

Battery Life - can't ready said now yet but Apple is well good on it previous iPhone devices. Nexus One battery is ready bad, I need charging everyday.

Apps - Equal

Games & Fun - iPhone win, Android only got few high quality games compare with tons of iPhone.

Video Record - I give to iPhone, remember iPhone have a stunning editing function on video recording. iPhone3Gs video record already better than Nexus One, I hardly find any ghost effect on it, due to this, I believe quality of iPhone 4 video record shall be better than it.

Folder - iPhone 4 OS is perfectly great on this.

Copy & Paste - the way iPhone implement it still the best and easier.

Screen size - Nexus One win, how come iPhone 4 still same 3.5 inch.

** I also got iPod touch, that why I never interested on iPhone, iPhone 3G and iPhone 3Gs, but this iPhone 4 is something different, which make me tempting ont it. :D
[Nexus One General] dsixda:
There is no need to start name-calling and be disrespectful to other posters. Please read the forum rules once again. This is a warning to you. This is just a freaking phone, people, no need to get worked up over it.

Ok I will admit, I have not used the iPhone 4 or seen a review with actual usage, but based on the A4 design -- apparently it has better power management -- plus the fact the wireless antenna is integrated into the metal casing rather than increasing power to the radio, and a 19% bigger battery, leads me to believe there will be a slight improvement. However I am also aware that the higher resolution display will suck a lot of battery juice.

That is a poor analogy because we already know that Evo (and in general, all HTC devices) takes poor indoor videos. 10fps with an Evo and a Nexus One in a decently-lit room does not cut it. Nexus One videos also have crappy 8kbps AMR audio recording. The iPhone 3GS had better video capability than pretty much any HTC Android or WM device to date. I think the Milestone has very good video recording capability however.

No I don't see your point, because if I buy any Android-OS based device my first worry is where to get my accessories - in Canada at least. This is not fiction. For every iPhone OS-based device you will find no shortage of accessories in any electronic shop. I have yet to see anything of decent quality for a single Android device in my country, other than a gel case for the Hero and a crappy plastic case for the Milestone. Why do I need to keep buying and trying and throwing out so many cases? I don't just mean cases, but other accessories as well. Reviews are always there, but I would prefer to see them in my hand before I make a purchase.

It has a lot to do with how we compare things correctly. Keep an open mind and acknowledge what the competition has to offer rather than hiding behind the rose-coloured glasses of fanboy-ism and giving excuses. I am not pro-Apple by any means, but I do acknowledge that they have a solid device.

That's not to say it's better than my Nexus One, however. I can think of a lot of things that my N1 has over the iPhone 3GS/4 - we have already covered them here.
[Nexus One General] britoso:
nice comparison, Agree with most points
[Nexus One General] typ_ex:
And we all know that Betas are supposed to be perfect!
[Nexus One General] Jack_R1:
I hate "reality distortion", or let's call it "subconscious bias", for reasons that aren't related to phones (or Steve Jobs, or Apple, or Android, or whatever technical) even a slightest bit. Your point is taken, though. Sorry.

In addition to higher resolution display, new "multitasking" needs to be taken into account, limited but potentially causing more drain nonetheless. I believe the radio power isn't affected in any way by being behind plastic, so the antenna argument might not hold ground.

This is not the reasoning. Board reviews of the new iPhone are currently looking like the hype that surrounded Nexus before its release - everyone praising the new features as "the best of the best" before real-world testing and comparisons. All the current posts show bias - either "latest and greatest" bias, or "this is mine, this is better" bias. Both are equally wrong.
[Nexus One General] rjhay22:
1.Most of the problems associated with living in Apple's walledgarden are still not fixed. You are still too dependant on having Steve Jobs decide what you can download and when. Since Jobs thinks that Adobe Flash is bad and won't allow it on Apple devices, you can't see half of what's out on the web.

2.The name implies that it is a 4th generation mobile phone when it is actually still 3G. Apple says that it is the Iphone 4, however some might be dumb enough to believe that it can use the 4th generation wireless broadband standards, although it really can't.

3.The Iphone 4 appears to have trouble with WiFi. Apple is historically quite bad at engineering WiFi products that work. Many of its flaws have been related to Airport. When Jobs attempted to show off the Iphone 4 yesterday the WiFi did not not work. Jobs claimed it was because there were too many people using WiFi in the Moscone conference centre, but we have to take his word for that. The Apple Ipad has a similar problem in that you have to be practically sitting on a wireless router for it to get a decent WiFi connection. This is ironic as the Iphone 4 is has a stainless-steel band around the outside edge that Apple says is designed to improve WiFi network reception, but it still doesn't seem to work very well.

4.The Iphone 4 is selling on its video-calling program, called FaceTime.However this is limited to WiFi networks for now, which means that the best thing about the Iphone 4 will not work in most locations unless you happen to be near a WiFi hot spot. Also you can only conference with other Iphone 4 users. We have already seen that the Iphone 4 has problems with WiFi.

5.The Iphone 4, while thinner, still has that easy to slip out of your hands shape. This means that you have to buy those covers which bulk the thing out again. It also still has a plastic back which can be scratched and break.

6. A 16GB model is priced at $199, and a 32GB version will sell for $299. The markups on the devices are outrageous. The monthly charges on contracts are higher than with other smartphones because not only are the network operators subsidising Apple's ridiculously high prices for the devices, but Apple also demands a cut, said to be up to 30 per cent, of users monthly charges, further driving up the cost.

7.Judging by Apple's previous behaviour the Iphone 4 will be out of date within a year, although most mobile phone contracts are for two years.

8.Something more Androidish in a smartphone does more for the same price, without the Apple lock in.

9.The Iphone 4 is built by Chinese wage-slaves working 12-hour shifts in conditions that have led to a rash of suicides, and Apple has called police to suppress freedom of the press. While the Iphone 4 is not 'less moral' than the Iphone 3G, users now have less excuse to turn a blind eye to how the product is made.

10. It uses Bing instead of Google for Internet search.
[Nexus One General] RogerPodacter:
i think its funny that because the new iphone has video chat, but only over wifi, its a fail for apple. yet android doesnt even have video chat AT ALL (for the most part until the evo lol). wouldnt that be a fail for android since apple has it and android does not? btw i hate apple!
[Nexus One General] rjhay22:
You just said the Evo has it. Why is it a fail on androids part? The iPhone just got it too :-) by the way the other android devices are capable of doing video chat, just impractical since we don't have a front cam. :-p
[Nexus One General] Jack_R1:
I believe that it won't take long for Fring to be available for the new iPhone, and they'll have a normal video chat too.
[Nexus One General] player911:
I hate iPhones, but the new iPhone 4 does look pretty sexy. It has a manly strong look to it instead of the girly designs of the past.

While the hardware does sound pretty awesome for a mobile device, the underlying OS is really what kills it. Being a long time Windows Mobile fan because of the openness and customization... Android feels like it has the best from both worlds. A great GUI on a customizable OS.

I would like to say that even though this is the 4th OS update, it does look like the iPhone OS is shaping up nicely. I'm glad they are joining the game.

iPhone 4 + Android = good combo.
[Nexus One General] dsixda:
I agree. What annoys me is that the new iPad commercial (and most likely the same will be said for new iPhone commercials), where it says you can browse the "full web". Yeah right, you mean 1/3 the web, without any Flash, and also in mobile mode by default. I feel sorry for the people who are misled like this, but a fool will always get fooled...

I respectfully disagree.. I would welcome a thinner device in my pocket. A hard case would still make it as thin as an N1.

However, if you have an existing SIM with a data plan for another smartphone, I think you can still swap it into the iPhone and it will work without any price hike.

This is why I prefer to wait it out for HTC to come out with their next superphone. I don't think I want to wait one year between phones, when there are new technologies coming out all the time.

Probably the main reason I don't want an iPhone.

I thought Google is still the default - Bing is just another option.
[Nexus One General] dsixda:
I agree with you on that last point, I also fell for that N1 hype, without even trying it.. I sold my Milestone as soon as the N1 was announced, but now I sort of regret it. The N1 still has a lot of shortcomings and I am still looking for the "perfect" Android phone. It's a shame that simple things like video recording quality (+ audio codec) and auto-brightness have not been addressed. Plus the lack of a quality multi-touch screen which would come in handy for games.
[Nexus One General] Andrewtst:
They is no PERFECT phone in the world forever. Any manufacture do perfect phone means cut it own future.

Android is great but not means iPhone is bad and people using it or having it is fool.

Every phone / even any kind of product got it pros and cons. Nothing is perfect. PERFECT does not exist in this world.
[Nexus One General] dsixda:
"Perfect" depends on how you define it, not what someone tells you. For myself the Nexus One is close to perfect, for now. I used to think my HTC Diamond was the ultimate phone for me, based on my requirements 2 years ago. Maybe a few months down the road I'll want more features, but right now the N1 does most of what I want from a smartphone.

I didn't say that people using iPhones were fools.
[Nexus One General] Andrewtst:
Eh, I didn't said Perfect came from someone telling you and I also never said you mean iPhones user were fools. Since when I quote your message? Funny.

I said no perfect phone/product (actually anythings in this world) ever release because that is impossible, unless your expectation is low, then everythings is perfection.
[Nexus One General] dsixda:
I had earlier said I was looking for a 'perfect' phone and you followed up by saying nothing's perfect. So I replied by saying it depends on what one personally defines as perfect. I also said people who fall for iPad marketing schemes are fools, and you followed up by saying iPhone users are not all fools. Sorry if there was miscommunication, it was not meant to criticize you.

I agree, if there was universal perfection then of course there would be no competition, no jobs, etc.
[Nexus One General] pzumk:
Winner - Android.
[Nexus One General] xdZKu7:
With regards to CPU and Snapdragon vs A4 keep in mind that the A4 is (also) just a Samsung-built Cortex A8 system on a chip with an apple-logo slapped onto it. It's allegedly the same CPU that the Samsung uses for their own Galaxy S.

Use google translate on this source for some more info:

http://www.digi.no/844342/samme-kjerne-i-iphone-4-og-samsung-mobil

And please also remember the Froyo-demo from the keynote showing the Nexus One lapping the iPad in a html 5 benchmark (CPU and javascript benchmark).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBQFXRW5ZiE @ 7:40

Here's anandtech's comparison of the iPad A4 vs Nexus Snapdragon (android 2.1):

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3633/apples-a4-soc-faster-than-snapdragon

Against android 2.1 the iPad has a typical advantage of 10-30%. It is reasonable to assume that the iPad has a higher clock than the iPhone, reducing that advantage considerably. Taking into account Froyo JIT and it's not unreasonable to find that the Snapdragon is at least on par with the A4, except in the graphics department (a place where it's known to be lacking*).

And even then we can relax and say we have the same processor on Android if it turns out to genuinly be a lot better (Galaxy S).

*) At least the Snapdragon on the Nexus and Desire. From what I remember the SE X10 has a different and more powerful graphics core.
[Nexus One General] kobecamp2009:
Nope. Wifi only. its against apples tos to make it avaible on 3G
[Nexus One General] MaximReapage:
Actually, you can't really compare the talk times of the batteries. Give us mAh specs

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[Nexus One General] eabinsan:
so where exactly do you think the N1 resp. its components are being built?
[Nexus One General] androidlicious:
Feature-and-functionally-speaking, Android wins hands down, but aesthetically-speaking, I think that goes to iPhone 4.
[Nexus One General] flarbear:
I definitely want to see the true MT of Android continue, but it would be nice if they provided some built-in APIs for many of the common "background tasks" that most applications use so that they can be centralized and still active even if the application must be cleared from memory. Both have their advantages.

The way I see it, Android's MT is the most flexible.

Apple's is the most responsible from a battery and device responsiveness perspective.

But both would be better.
[Nexus One General] flarbear:
Hopefully this post was somewhat sarcastic?

I saw the same point made in a Businessweek article today - that iPhone 4 "gets jump on rivals with Video Calling". Huh?

iPhone 4 will have video calling when it appears in stores later this month. Meanwhile the Evo has had it since it shipped last week (before the iPhone 4 was even announced) and will have had it for nearly 3 weeks by the time iPhone 4 gets into customer's hands. How is that "getting the jump on" anybody?

And when the iPhone 4 arrives the video calling will be limited to WiFi, but the Evo's already works on either WiFi or cell data.

So, arriving 3 or so weeks late to the table with a comparatively feature-limited implementation of video calling is considered "getting the jump on"? And this is Businessweek, not an amateur Apple fan blogger. Have they ever heard of verifying their facts before publishing? Is it any wonder that people refer to a reality distortion field?

(And, if we don't want to be NA-centric, many phones in other countries - notably Asia - have had video calling on cell phones for years, but I'm not sure if Businessweek would call those "rivals" considering they cited Android phones specifically...)
[Nexus One General] Pitnefor:
Flash doesnt matter on a mobile phone??? look at all these awesome games that run perfect on nexus one + flash: http://m.kongregate.com/
[Nexus One General] dsixda:
Steve, is that you? :p

That's actually the same thing I was thinking last night (ie. where was the N1 made) before I saw your reply. Nevermind, I'll just shut up now.
[Nexus One General] pzumk:
I fecking lol'd!
[Nexus One General] crazyboyrs:
Hehe, off the topic...I know which country you are from base on your comments style...:D

Alright. Back to the topic.

I do agree on some points except the application part. From a user point of view, AppStore is a revolution. I am not going to start with bragging how many hundred thousand apps, but I will start with the quality of the titles especially Games. Big companies like EA, Gameloft, Capcom, do constantly pump in quality games and following the thrend like NeedForSpeed, Splinter Cell, Avatar, StreetFighter etc.... When PC/PS3/XBox launched a game, the mini/iphone version will launch too.

From a developer point of view, I agree Apple is slow and 'arrogant'. However, the fragmentation problem on Android is still a headache for developers. Hopefully Froyo will shed some light on this issue.
[Nexus One General] phoby:
Is it true that OLED screen loses to iphone 4 IPS screen as said by SJ ?
[Nexus One General] joshlusignan:
If you typed this on your Nexus, you are a GOD!! Longest post ever!! Good read tho...:)

...And yes I had to quote the whole post.
[Nexus One General] jp_macaroni:
the iphone4 got nothing on google navigation!
[Nexus One General] Jack_R1:
big_adventure, great comparison. Thanks.
[Nexus One General] Pitnefor:
big_adventure = win
[Nexus One General] big_adventure:
Aw, thanks, you guys are making me blush.

I realized when I finished that I left off:

CLARIFCATION - this entire discussion is comparing iPhone 4 to Android, and, specifically, a Nexus One.

Navigation: Google Turn-by-Turn absolutely smokes anything out there when you consider performance/price. The only downside (and potentially a pretty serious one) is that you need a data connection when you first load the directions (it'll cache the directions after). This is no big deal in your own country, but can get expensive in another one. Either search out WiFi, or buy a data pack if you need this when you are far from home. On the other hand, the iPhone has more, and better, paid options, though a fluky compass and a, let's see, I think that the technical term is "piss-poor" GPS compromise the experience a little.

Maps: These just work better in Android - there are more options to add, more layers, etc.

App registration: This is one place in app-land where Android still trumps iPhone. Any app on your phone can register itself as a provider for nearly any function. This means that, from the Gallery, if you click "Share", you will get a list of every application that has registered itself as capable of handling photos (for example). Third party apps included. Try that on an iPhone, where the only way to post a photo to Facebook, for example, is to do it from the Facebook app.

Attachments to emails: In Android, you can, well, do this from inside the email OR from the Gallery OR from your favorite file program! Ah, sweet choices.

OK, that'll do it.
[Nexus One General] nexus5894:
RE: Apple VS Android

(complicated quoting stuff removed, using quotation marks instead)

"[*]Screen Resolution - iPhone 4 Win"

Although the screen resolution on the iPhone 4 is overall better, most apps on iPhone are designed for HVGA screens and won't look at all good on the higher resolution screen. Android apps since 1.6 have had native scaling, even on 3D games.

"[*]Multitouch - iPhone always implementing it well. iPhone is more than 2 touch where this is main drawback of Nexus One."

We're also comparing the EVO here, and that has a MaxTouch screen which beats the iPhone screen in many ways- unlimited touch points as opposed to 5, better close point detection. The Nexus unfortunately uses the Synaptic Clearpad 2000 which is not so good, though the Synaptic 3000 is nearly as good as the Maxtouch.

"[*]Customization - Android win, android more freedom and greatly support widget. iPhone interface the only can change is wallpaper and icons (after jailbreak)" agreed

"[*]Battery Life - can't ready said now yet but Apple is well good on it previous iPhone devices. Nexus One battery is ready bad, I need charging everyday." All android devices at the moment have changeable batteries and all the phones on the Nexus One base (Nexus, Desire, Incredible) have great battery life.

"[*]Apps - Equal"

"[*]Games & Fun - iPhone win, Android only got few high quality games compare with tons of iPhone." Agreed, but this'll change.

"[*]Video Record- I give to iPhone, remember iPhone have a stunning editing function on video recording. iPhone3Gs video record already better than Nexus One, I hardly find any ghost effect on it, due to this, I believe quality of iPhone 4 video record shall be better than it."- I agree concerning iMovie on the iPhone, Android has nothing close. But I do not agree at all with your iPhone-Nexus comparison. The 3GS shoots VGA in PORTRAIT for god's sake while the Nexus shoots at DVD quality and up to 720p with a quick hack or 800x 600 with an even quicker one.

"[*]Folder - iPhone 4 OS is perfectly great on this." No. No. The things you can add to an Android folder make it superior, even if they are not quite as good looking"

"[*]Copy & Paste - the way iPhone implement it still the best and easier." Compared to the Nexus, yes, but HTC sense has amazing copy and paste, at least as good as the iPhone.

"[*]Screen size - Nexus One win, how come iPhone 4 still same 3.5 inch." EVO Epic Win.

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** I also got iPod touch, that why I never interested on iPhone, iPhone 3G and iPhone 3Gs, but this iPhone 4 is something different, which make me tempting ont it. :D
[Nexus One General] Blueman101:
what?! you wack man!
[Nexus One General] Bigworm37:
Only have one thing to say:

NEXUS ONE > IPHONE 4

:D
[Nexus One General] Blueman101:
AT&T has made it clear they don't plan on upgrading especially with their recent pricing plans.

if you can only use wifi, why not just go walk down the hall and talk to the person. This is only practical ota, which is what android already lest you do.

Filter out the junk?? search "fart" in the apple store then talk to me

thats not the point, the point is that we can use widgets, apple cannot

source?

we can already do everything a jailbroken apple can without "jailbraking"

don't be fooled by apples large words, you cannot just create pixels in a picture, the picture will look more fine in the new iphone, but it will appear smaller because of the resolution.
[Nexus One General] NexusDro:
iPhone 4 still has the same HSDPA speed as the 3GS, which is 7.2 Mbps. The only difference is that the iPhone 4's got HSUPA.

About Video chat over WiFi, I found it the opposite. I can't think of a situation where I would be using it when there is WiFi. How often do you have two people in 2 different hotspots and are available for video chat? At home? Might as well use a PC webcam. If video chat is available over the cellular network, you can show the other party what is happening in your current location.