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[EVO 4G General] mrmomoman:
If he surprised me with a 3.8 or 4.0 or even 4.3 screen with that resolution I would have to consider it heavily and in fact would have upgraded my 3GS for it. But at 3.5 inch screen I don't care that he packs in that kind of resolution. My EVO is not my movie studio or camera. They were put in place for moments you are in a pinch.

You can have flash on full time as well while recording video. It's call Torch on and Video On :)

The iOS4 is nothing much. Battery life will remain to be seen. The can claim better battery life because he upgraded the processor (efficient) and kept the screen size smaller. A good move for battery life but not a good move for people who would like a larger screen.

WP7 will require at least a 3.8" screen to start. So it will be interesting to see what happens next with them.
[EVO 4G General] rockdrummersrock:
evo vs. iphone, I'll take evo.

Sorry iPhone, for all your sexiness you're missing too much.

1) AT&T is trash, heard nothing but complaints

2) replaceable batteries + Micro SD cards? yes please.

3) completely closed architecture vs. complete openness? I'll take android.

4) I have an iPod Touch so I already can do everything except make phone calls, thats what my Evo is for :p
[EVO 4G General] colorado_al:
iphone4 video chat only on wifi! Not on 3G or 4G like EVO. AT&T sucks!

And only from iphone4 to iphone4. Can you say "locked in"?

Not regretting my EVO purchase one bit!

I can Qik or Fring/Skype video call on 3G or 4G or WiFi
[EVO 4G General] munsterrr:
the new iphone isnt bad

if we all think about this....our phones and the new iphone are kind of tapped out. There isnt much more to be done with phones anymore.
[EVO 4G General] thelastgoodbrother:
Sorry guys and girls, I had a moment of weakness, lol. I love Android too. In fact this is my 4th Android phone. You gotta admit random "Forcecloses" is starting to get a lil old though.
[EVO 4G General] Sporkman:
please give up the EVO if your even remotely thinking about the ICRAP
[EVO 4G General] gman8966:
I've had all three iphones since their respective launch days over the years. I've recently switched to the Evo and loving it. Even with their new hardware, I still think the evo is superior. The android OS is a little quirky, and I especially think scrolling is way worse on the evo and the android market is a joke so far, but I really like the OS overall compared to Apple's locked down OS.

I'm not switching back!
[EVO 4G General] joey3002:
seriously? I have had every iphone and also android since g1. I really do like the iphone but I hate att. I was just watching the same feed of the release about ios4 and there is nothing new. Yes, I do like the way you can video chat with ease but only on wifi and only with other iphone 4's?

I think there is a place for the iphone but this announcement was more of a "keep up with the jones" than anything earth shattering.

Im keeping my evo.

Im paying less with sprint by almost 50% than with att...
[EVO 4G General] asrebel:
I hate Apple

Yep, I'm a hater. I only own 1 apple device...an IPod Nano, and the only reason I have that is I needed the close stereo integration on my boat (long story).

Having said that, if this IPhone was available on Verizon or Sprint or even TMobile...I would probably consider it.

Although the screen is smaller than the Evo the IPS technology looks slick not to mention a 960x640 resolution.

I also like the gyro. That has a lot of potential...granted it's also a little gimmicky, but I'm a geek and I like new toys.

I think the Evo could have better picture quality with an 8mp camera vs 5mp for Apple, but Apple does a great job with the actual image quality.

It also sounds like Apple finally implemented multi-tasking without killing the battery life. I don't completely believe it until I see it in person...but it looked promising.

I also like the free video calls from Iphone4 to Iphone4.

Having said all that, I still hate Apple. I will stick with my 3rd generation Nano and my Hero & Evo. It's just too bad someone can't put Apple in their place. The IPad could have been placed on the backburner with a HP Slate, and Android has a lot of cool phones, but none I would consider a complete IPhone killer.

Its so frustrating because I believe Android has the ability to put Apple in it's place, but when it comes to an actual full released product...it's just not quite there yet.
[EVO 4G General] blu3g:
Funny that you mention this. I was looking at a way to get flash on with video recording also. I figured out a work around. Download "led light" from the market and turn it on. Open the camcorder and BAM! I got flash with video recording. Lol.
[EVO 4G General] tomit12:
This is my feeling as well.

My family plan with 3 iphones, messaging and all of that, and tax was breaching $250/mo. On Sprint, with 3 Evos (and a 25% service discount the rep was so kind as to dig up for me), I'm saving over $100/mo.

What does the iphone do that's worth $1200/year extra? Yeah.
[EVO 4G General] zeeyo987:
i think the a4 chip which is actually alot faster than the snapdragon as well as the amazing build quality of the iphone 4 make it pretty awesome, and the screen making things seem like its real is pretty cool, otherwise im happy with my evo for sure, but i am a lil jealous
[EVO 4G General] thelastgoodbrother:
Yay! just downloaded it, lol.
[EVO 4G General] superlinkx:
Yeah, although iPhone 4 brought some new things to the table and is a huge upgrade over the 3GS, the Evo still seems like the phone to beat. The iPhone's resolution is amazing and all, and the IPS technology sounds great, until you realize that it takes up more battery than TFT screens, nevermind OLED. The gyroscope is great and I hope more devices go that route, but really it mostly just adds extra sensitivity to apps, and basic accelerometers will get you by for the time being. Its mostly just a gimmick for now. The fact that the antennas are wrapped around the sides is cool, and even a great idea, but nothing that ground breaking. Evo still has more of a flash than the iPhone and a much bigger screen, which is what really counts. Plus, we (not me yet, but soon) can video chat over multiple apps over any kind of network we please. We don't have data restrictions and we have better multitasking. Fact is, Apple's multitasking is virtually the same as Android, just doesn't allow as many kinds of services and is more locked down. When apps are coded properly on Android, they don't take a lot of power for multitasking. Overall, I think the Evo has more than Apple's crap, and though it may lack some of the flashy-ness of the iphone, it still seems like a better choice.
[EVO 4G General] magicalan:
+1000

:)
[EVO 4G General] heygrl:
Regardless, launching the Evo when they did isn't going to do Sprint any favors. The iPhone is just too glossy to pass up (to the avg. consumer).
[EVO 4G General] Jye75:
You mean, "to the avg. drone, who needs a device that is simple like the iPhone"

Jitterbug is comparable in user simplicity... :D
[EVO 4G General] Aridon:
Nice bump in resolution but on a 3.5 inch screen? Meh.

imovie looks really cool

Gyro? Ok.

Sorry not very impressed.
[EVO 4G General] heygrl:
Sure, but those drones buy iStuff in droves.
[EVO 4G General] :
A front facing camera that only works on Wifi. Of course Jailbreakers will hack it to work over 3G but you have to have brass balls to use it over 3G considering the new data caps that took effect today.
[EVO 4G General] evotitans:
Are you kidding me? Sprint actually did something right for a change. The EVO has already outsold the Pre and Instinct combined first weekend. And there are tons of Pre-order still out there waiting to be filled.

And now Sprint has the advantage....those that were on the fence between the EVO & iPhone 4 can now make their choice.

If the iPhone 4 wasnt enough of an upgrade for some, then the EVO might be their obvious choice. The only thing I do agree with, is that some people will just stick with Apple regardless....due to other Apple products, enough that they would deal with AT&T's network.

But if im reading things right, if an existing customer wants the new iPhone they need to renew their contract....but how it was worded, doesnt it mean they have to renew under AT&T's pricing plan??
[EVO 4G General] heygrl:
Outselling the Pre and Instinct is good for Sprint

The Evo will be overshadowed by the new iPhone, it's the sad truth. Look at how much coverage it's getting and it hasn't even started selling yet.
[EVO 4G General] pixelpop:
A man with EVO envy:
[EVO 4G General] liquidkernel:
I love Apple products, I really do. I am typing on an Apple keyboard right now (albeit on a PC). The iPhone 4 is BEAUTIFUL and the OS is wonderfully refined. But I like my Evo 4G a lot, and I'm very happy with it. I feel like there is so much more control from Android that the iOS still won't let you have.
[EVO 4G General] pixelpop:
According to MSN: "The phone's 3.5-inch screen is the same size as the iPhone 3GS, but has a 960-by-640 resolution and a "retina display," Jobs said, of 326 pixels per inch, beyond the 300 pixels per inch that the human eye can distignuish."

So what's the point of any resolution beyond 300 pixels per inch? Sounds like Steve & Co. are just pumping a bunch of marketing poodle gas. :-)
[EVO 4G General] theillustratedlife:
With the continual locking down of the App Store, and the strawman HTML5 defense, I'm happy to be moving to Android (after a lifetime of Apple products).

However, places where I have to tip my hat to Apple:

- Battery life - I still can't believe Vic bragged on-stage about the EVO's battery. It's a brand new phone, and I'm already concerned about battery life.

- Standardizing a video chat protocol - If video chatting is going to become anywhere near as prevalent as voice, we need a way to use it on any capable device. In the coming weeks, I expect to see iPhone-to-iPhone video expand to include EVO-to-iPhone. Part of the reason video chat has always been a niche technology is that existing implementations (Skype, iChat, etc.) were all tightly-coupled to a single client application.

Regardless of how you feel about Apple's stances on jailbreaking or the App Store, they have a history of bringing niche tech to the mass market. There are plenty of players in all the markets Apple competes in, but it often sets the standard for what the next generation of tech will include.

Apple's clout will help make video-chatting popular, and we all know people who don't own and won't buy EVOs. If Apple proposes and others implement a standard video calling protocol, that's good for Android owners too.

Innovating in the open benefits everybody.
[EVO 4G General] magicalan:
AT&T sucks :D
[EVO 4G General] hchavarria:
Bye bye Evo....Hello iPhone.
[EVO 4G General] Classick206:
The only problem in your argument is that you failed to even mention how much of a joke carrier Sprint is. It's a shame that a beautiful phone like the Evo is tied down to a carrier with less coverage than a porn star mid-scene. I left AT&T to get the Evo, and it's a strong possibility that I'll be heading back to AT&T. I've already dropped more calls on Sprint in one week than I did on AT&T in three years.

AT&T's new data usage changes don't apply to existing customers. Even if you renew for the iPhone, you can keep unlimited data.

"As it is, existing smartphone owners can keep their unlimited plans, even if they upgrade to a different smartphone (like, say, the new iPhone, for example). "

From phonedog.com.
[EVO 4G General] ap3604:
Since they changed their plan to the 2gb/mo there's no way in hell I would ever go with Att again. They nickle and dime their customers for every penny they can (something T-mobile and Sprint would never do).
[EVO 4G General] cacesasa:
I guess it depends on the area, here in mass Sprint service excellent while my gf iPhone is always dropping calls.

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[EVO 4G General] RavenII:
I'm sure that's what they said when color TV came out...
[EVO 4G General] pixelpop:
Did anyone watch the NBC national news tonight? During Steve Jobs big iPhone announcement/demo, he couldn't get any connectivity!!!! LOL I'm sure some heads rolled on that one!!
[EVO 4G General] th3b055:
Make no doubt about it that the iPhone 4 is a real nice phone. It will be the standard to beat. Why? Marketing. My mom is the last person who knows anything about technology and she knows what an iPhone is.. I showed her my Evo and she was like, "what is that and does it have apps like the iPhone"?

I'm no jealous of the iPhone one bit. I hate Apple's UI on every product. To me the iPhone is just like Nintendo with it's DS. Every year or so, they release a newer version with some minor improvements and everyone goes out on a limb to get one or upgrade..

To those comparing Android phones to the iPhone has to remember that the iPhone has been around a lot longer than Android has.. But still to mention Android and the Evo giving potential iPhone users a solid alternative to AT&T and Apple is an accomplishment in its self.
[EVO 4G General] bluehaze:
It's still the same old boring bunch of squares on a screen, I can't see the pixels on the EVO so I certainly am not going to notice the difference of a screen with 4x the pixel density. I really don't see anything exciting it's still got a lame 3.5" screen and honestly after using the 4.3" on the EVO I could never go back to 3.5" :D The rest is the same old boring closed Iphone operating system that I grew tired of over a year ago.

Sorry I am not really seeing much to get excited about with the new iPhone... Maybe if they put a 4.3" screen on it, allowed the use of widgets, opened up the OS and also allowed the use of Flash I would get as excited about it as I am about my EVO :D
[EVO 4G General] emac11:
Trying to figure out if this is a joke or not. I've had Sprint since 2002, and I've maybe had 3 dropped calls in that entire time. I'm in a big city (St. Louis), but I spend some time in Green Bay, Wisconsin, and I never have dropped calls there either. So I don't know what you're talking about. Meanwhile, my friends on AT&T have dropped calls all the time.
[EVO 4G General] emac11:
I agree. I don't find anything that exciting about the iPhone 4. Its OS is just so plain and boring. Just a bunch of squares and all you can do to customize it is move the squares where you want. I really don't care about video editing, so the iMovie doesn't excite me at all. I see nothing about the iPhone that makes me regret getting an Evo, and I'm not an Android fanboy at all. I just don't feel like the iPhone OS has made any progress since it first came out a few years ago. Still so plain and boring.
[EVO 4G General] BrianDigital:
who cares

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[EVO 4G General] IceCreaMan:
It's quite simple, the iPhone is simple and made for the masses, the evo is not. the hw and soft arch for the iPhone is pretty static thus making it easier for developers to code for. unlike the Android which has multiple hw platforms that very greatly. the iPhone is my wife and kids phone that makes everything very easy and handy for them. as others have said, difference niche and diff market but would I like see android take the reign from apple? Sure if they can do it without make Android phones be locked and dumbed down like an iPhone. I really would like to see more quality apps and games made for Android thoufh.
[EVO 4G General] magicalan:
your icon its AT&T *cough* greedy bastards *cough* and you have the tilt so hmm what are you dong here :p I still prefer the evo =D
[EVO 4G General] Rennat:
The only things I see that really are cool are the new design, crack proof glass, and the screen rez. Then you look at the EVO..... well Engadget will confirm what I what to say in a few dayz.
[EVO 4G General] Mecha2142:
As far as I know, glass doesn't crack; it shatters. Furthermore, no glass is truly shatter proof. If you were to drop this phone from a considerable height, there's a good chance that either the front or back would shatter.
[EVO 4G General] Rennat:
lol, I thought about that too. But I have to give them a little push to make it so the iPhone 4 is actually comparable to the EVO. Otherwise, there would be no propose to this thread! he he
[EVO 4G General] ap3604:
There's a reason the At&t symbol resembles a Death Star and it sure ain't because they are nice guys :(
[EVO 4G General] laufine:
The battery life of new iphone is a nice progress.

I wish HTC also has the same tech to improve battery life.
[EVO 4G General] ap3604:
The ability to have a spare battery for the EVO 4g is nice progress...

I wish Apple also had this very basic option to improve phone experience ;)
[Nexus One General] Wii60:
Just thought I'd report that we still own the best smartphone in the world since Jan 5, 2010. Nothing has happened through today to convince me otherwise.
[Nexus One General] subramanianv:
Well, I agree on the OS front android is still the better and iOS 4 is trying to do a catch up. But, I have to hand it to the iPhone 4 hardware , it does look amazing.
[Nexus One General] x986123:
I like the 720p recording and retina display... But the OS still sucks. If only we could get developers to make GOOD apps, not some half-baked ones.
[Nexus One General] arcticreaver:
The hardware specs being released in the new iPhone is way way better than the n1. I'm actually jealous because of the front facing camera. And the new display resolution is unreal.

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[Nexus One General] Wii60:
The only thing that may have the EVO 4g beat is the processor, but I'd bet my left arm that snapdragon + JIT > an A4
[Nexus One General] jasrups:
720p at 30 FPS, Retina display, Gyro motion, 7 hours talk time. 6 hours of 3G browsing, 10 hours of WiFi browsing, 10 hours of video. 40 hours of music. 300 hours of standby, A4 processor, 32 GB internal storage, 9.3mm thick, etc, etc.

No one can dispute that the new iPhone is the best phone from a hardware standpoint. This phone is also going to take mobile gaming to a whole new level. I'd still much rather prefer Android OS, but as a fan of technology in general I have to say that Apple stepped their game up with this phone. Android app development will have to continue to grow at a rapid pace to keep up.
[Nexus One General] Clarkster:
It is the highest res I've heard of for a phone. But it isn't that much more than the N1. Just the next step I guess. The N1 has about 250 or 260 DPI, right?
[Nexus One General] Wii60:
I thought it was just under 270. Jobs himself said it doesn't matter past 300 anyways.
[Nexus One General] jz9833:
The resolution of the screen is something I am jeleous of, but the size is still smaller than the n1.

I'd like to see some benchmarks because we all know the 2.2 Nexus One was running laps around an iPad!

I'll admit there were some things that had me think "darn I wish my phone could do that" and then I remembered how awesome push to phone is.
[Nexus One General] subramanianv:
Can't wait till someone make FroYo run on iPhone 4.
[Nexus One General] commodoor:
Steve says the screen of iphon4 is 4x bette than 3gs. uuhm did you ever compared 3gs screen with n1? the N1 is also 4x better than 3gs. so i'm not really jalous at that.

The OS doesn't ad somethin that i can say WOW! what comes to ios4 we have it on android. even they failed with connection on 4g everyone had to turn off wifi, the 3gs loaded fine :S whahahha

though the battery life looks great
[Nexus One General] britoso:
the new (unreleased) iPhone does have a higher res screen, better video camera (could be just software/drivers) and the new gyroscope sensor. However iOS4 is still way behind Android :)

Our 6 month old Nexus has a bigger size screen :)

lol @ "retina display", apple sure is good at creating new buzz words which the flock absorbs and repeats. (baaaa)

I wish Sony had stepped up to Googles offer of collaborating on a phone.

Too bad there aren't any Android phones coming out with a res to match or exceed the iDont4 :( (960x640)
[Nexus One General] SBS_:
Yup the resolution on the screen looks sick, but it' just too smal. After having 2 phones with 3.7" displays I can't go down to 3.5". My next phone will probably have a 4" or bigger screen anways.

The hardware on the new iphone is very slick though.
[Nexus One General] EErez:
yes the screen is better (higher res), and yes there is a front facing camera.

its been 5 month and our phone is just as competitive, hardware wise, as it was when it was released.

on the OS side, there is no comparison. apple was not ready for froyo. they have lots of catching up to do. i still think the iOS 4 (lol) is stuck in 2007.

not really that impressed.
[Nexus One General] jz9833:
The "iphone 4" does have by far the best video camera I have ever seen on a phone. I am actually very surprised by how good the still pictures of it look.

The overall question is though, did the iphone 4 with iOS 4 beat what google did weeks ago with the 2.2 Froyo Nexus 1? I don't think so, but even though that was shown off 3 weeks ago (seriously google WTF!?) I got a feeling you will be able to buy an iphone 4 before you can get the "official" Froyo OTA update.
[Nexus One General] ins0:
OK.....I want the face to face calling...that's about it.
[Nexus One General] chowlala:
No one will use that crap face time because everyone is obsessed about battery time. Rofl.

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[Nexus One General] EErez:
seriously i'm kind of sad that this is all the iphone has done. they barely advanced the arms race.

video calling with iphones only? only on wifi?

video calling has existed in some places in europe since 2006, and there is a reason why its not widespread, people dont care about video calls.
[Nexus One General] SiNJiN76:
One thing for sure...Apple is still good at creating 'Eye Candy'.
[Nexus One General] SiNJiN76:
ATT network. LoL!
[Desire General] infexis:
Hi, lately i have flashed the Defrost 0.6 rom and i overclocked the cpu to about 1.26ghz and it lasted for a couple of days.

Now after almost a week it doesnt anymore, so i flashed in the new kernel uvoc_audiomod and hoped for the best but it still doesnt work.

I have given it full permissions and also put in the .txt file on sd root - but still nothing.. what am i doing wrong?

excuse my bad english
[Desire General] Exculpo:
Some of the static frequencies are broken in the kernel, I guess an update is coming soon. oc_v14 is a bit better from what I've read, haven't tried it yet.
[Desire General] infexis:
Allright, i dotn know how - but somehow it works now..

Anyways, i look forward to the new kernel with Froyo ROMs :)
[myTouch 3G Slide General] vikramdhani:
Is it me or the google navigation is missing from this phone ?
[myTouch 3G Slide General] turboyo:
I have it, separate launcher icon and all
[myTouch 3G Slide General] slobatch:
Mine was missing too. However, once I updated Google Maps, and rebooted the phone, there it was!
[myTouch 3G Slide General] tahbasco:
Yup. Run an update and you should be good.
[myTouch 3G Slide General] WilliamStern:
And it kicks ass btw!
[myTouch 3G Slide General] MirasHD2:
sorry for my ignorance, but what is google navigation and how do you reboot the phone?
[myTouch 3G Slide General] turboyo:
go into the market application search for google maps, or just hit menu, downloads.. you will see theres an update. Update it. Then go into the launcher (applications menu) and search for navigation. Have fun. Its turn by turn directions from google maps, and acts pretty much just like a real car GPS.
[myTouch 3G Slide General] 2Noob4U:
It's like having a GPS receiver. If you've ever used VZ Navigator for Verizon or anything like that. It basically gives you turn-by-turn directions without having to pay for it. Pretty nice feature IMO. O yeah and it's free.

O yeah and rebooting your phone all you do is hold down the top home key for a while and it will launch a screen that asks you if you want to power off or reboot.