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[EVO 4G General] Mecha2142:
I'm almost positive there was a previous thread about this issue, but I can't seem to find it. In any case, I've noticed that the touch sensor lags behind my finger considerably. I recorded a video with two tests consisting of a. A quick demo with the multitouch visualizer app, and b. A half-assed game of table tennis.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j7cYb7EtUM

This issue has also been noted by Android Central in one of their tests of the Evo's multi touch capabilities.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieuB0VvkmwA

As you can see, the video clearly demonstrates a problem with either the hardware or software. The HTC Incredible uses the exact same touch sensor, yet exhibits none of these issues. As a result, I'm kind of doubtful it's an issue with the hardware. I'm sorry, but for such a high-end smartphone, I would expect better from HTC. Here's to hoping they address this problem in a future software update.
[EVO 4G General] DiNoise:
yeah.. im kinda disappointed in EVO..
[EVO 4G General] Rennat:
personally, it not that big of a deal. So it's another obstacle while playing air hockey, just something to make the game more exighting. If you really are disappointed in a beast of a phone as this for having some touch sensor lag.... go dig a hole and bury yourself in it.
[EVO 4G General] Mecha2142:
That really is not a good excuse for this issue. I don't want air hockey to be more exciting or challenging. I want the paddle to track my finger as accurately as every other high-end smartphone on the market. I have every right to be disappointed, because this isn't 'some' touch sensor lag. In fact, it's quite severe. I paid good money for a good smartphone, and I, along with the rest of the Evo owners, deserve better than this. We shouldn't have to settle for 'not that big of a deal'.
[EVO 4G General] jigglywiggly:
The lag is not on pressing buttons I think, I think it's when you drag stuff.

I mean I tried on my Droid and it feels slow to respond on the emulators with touch controls, but the Evo is slow as well. Also when clicking stuff it feels instant.
[EVO 4G General] Mecha2142:
Well no, there's no lag on pressing buttons. The touch sensor can easily handle a single tap, since it isn't necessarily tracking anything. When it comes to playing something like table tennis though, the problem becomes painfully obvious.
[EVO 4G General] Rennat:
You're missing my point. I meant to say that is a little bug in the screen tracking going to influence your desission on whether you are cool with he phone or not? Ever phone will always have minor bugs that you just have to live with. Now tell me, can you name any of your last phone's 'little bugs'? I had a Palm Pre, and I loved it. I will say the build quality was crap and I had to return it 3 times but I still enjoyed the phone. The Evo by the looks of things doesn't have any problems with hardware but the memory card issue that got resolved within a few hours of release.
[EVO 4G General] Mecha2142:
Yes, this little 'bug' is going to influence my decision because it shows utter negligence on behalf of HTC regarding their flagship device. A minor bug is the notification light going off every once in a while. A minor bug is not the main input method lagging behind by at least a second. This is a bug I'd rather not have to live with if HTC can fix it. What if all smartphones had this 'little bug'? I'm pretty sure nobody would just accept living with it.

When a G1 outperforms an Evo in terms of touch input tracking, there is a serious problem.
[EVO 4G General] kellte2:
Agreed. I'd like to get this resolved. It isn't a deal breaker to me, but it is shocking that a device like this would have a significant issue with the touch sensor. I have a feeling that tracking can just be updated with a future software update, but if/when this occurs is anyone's guess.
[EVO 4G General] EliWay:
This is definitely a software issue. From Chipworks:
[EVO 4G General] Mecha2142:
Right. Now that you mention it, this might have some correlation with the 30 frames per second cap on the Evo. I mean, most other phones run at 60fps, and they have no problem tracking touch input. What's possibly going on is that because the phone is limited to 30fps, the screen can't refresh nearly as fast as it has to in order to track the input...
[EVO 4G General] alan7467:
I was just thinking the same thing. Perhaps fixing the frame cap will resolve both issues.
[EVO 4G General] Rennat:
As I said before.....

and no I don't care if the screen lag is hardware issue or software. If your going to yell and grip about this then go away. We really don't need ranters link you in the forum. The xda forum is to help others and create new ways of doing things and having more features.
[EVO 4G General] Mecha2142:
At this point, I really don't care what you think. As you can tell from the other posts in this thread, and in fact the entire Evo forum, people do care about things like touch input lag, frame limit caps, and bad wi-fi reception.

Have you seen the thread on the Evo's graphical cap? Most people there seem pretty pissed off about the issue and want something done. Should they go away because they're 'ranters'? No, they're right because the only way to get things fixed is to point the problems out in the first place.
[EVO 4G General] flexgrip:
This is not a bug. As of now, the android base will have a minor delay, especially when it comes to user interface because that is just the way java is. Which is why you will not notice it in dalvik prepped apps.

That being said I don't notice it at all after switching to the evo. I did notice it on my hero. There was always a solid delay between my finger and anything it does. On the evo I would say it is almost gone for me. But everyone always compares it to the iphone which is not java but I remember reading about the comparable delays between the two platforms and its there on the iphone <= 3gs but its just not as noticeable.

To each his own but I see way more advantages in waiting for Froyo/JIT on this platform, at least until apple opens up a bit, which will never happen.

EDIT: By the way, RUU the device because I can tell you right now of the two evo's I have played with neither had an input lag anywhere NEAR a second. If that is in fact true I believe the device or install has got something wrong with it. Or it could be a runaway app that has been installed.
[EVO 4G General] pingpongboss:
Haha this guy doesn't know what he's talking about. Are you saying that my Motorola Droid, which DOESN'T have the input lag, is because it's not running java vm on Android? hahahaha Java VM has nothing to do with the lag on Evo's input.
[EVO 4G General] flexgrip:
Not really sure where I said that the moto droid is not based on java or anything of the sort. Pretty much ever developer knows that java ui performance is mostly crap.

For example eclipse and OOO. Perfect examples. They have purely unacceptable lag in their UI.

Nearly ALL user interfaces based on java have a laggy UI. As a developer I made a conscious choice to not use java based ui and go with gtk/clutter. I have played with several motorola droids and they all have a solid delay that in most circumstances does not exist on the iphone. It is a pretty common reason for folks to not use java to build their apps. Take a good look at the sandbox dalvik apps. Even under the android emulator they are much more responsive.

I DO NOT see the moto droid having less delay than my evo. I think you are mistaking frame rate for input lag. As icons are moving, they look "jittery" or skip around. That is a long shot from saying there is a 1 second delay between your finger and movement on the screen. I had an app crash the other day while downloading files to the SD card and the whole system slowed down and had this massive input delay. So all I was really saying was try and see if there is maybe something you have installed that has made this happen because everything seems pretty "instant" to me, coming from the hero. Obviously it could be that my opinion is relative to my hero. But I notice that the evo is a bit snappier than the incredible. And that is backed up by a few reviews.
[EVO 4G General] AdamLJ:
Move your finger faster on the screen. Your finger will be going one direction while the interface is still going another direction. The delay is greater than the difference between 30 and 60FPS.
[EVO 4G General] jigglywiggly:
You drunk?

I have the Droid and the HTC EVO 4g.

Get the a touch input application

Scroll around with the Droid, instant.

Evo 4g super delay

This issue has nothing to do with Dalvik, or Java.
[EVO 4G General] mrono:
+1 its there and verified
[EVO 4G General] MrX8503:
I find it hilarious when people say that a touch lag bug isn't an issue on an all touch phone.
[EVO 4G General] AdamLJ:
Quoted for truth!
[EVO 4G General] Zardos66:
I've noticed this in snesoid and its sister apps. Now, I don't know if its a problem with other touchscreen phones and the emulator, but it is annoying. There is about a half a second delay between screen push and action happening in game.
[EVO 4G General] mrono:
That would explain why the few times I have tried to play mario i've died very quickly and the game seemed slow. Thought it was just horrible emulation.
[EVO 4G General] binxer:
I really hope either HTC or a developer here will fix this. Coming from an iPhone, this REALLY bothers me.
[EVO 4G General] Mecha2142:
Alright, I recorded some videos that demonstrate the touch input lag and/or the 30fps cap. Make of it what you will.

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[EVO 4G General] ffolkes:
nice job Mecha2142. you should do a video using that app i always see people use when they demonstrate the touch tracking problems of the nexus one. you know, with the blue and red dots that get swapped. at least the evo doesn't have that problem! lol but it's a good way to show just how far the touch lags from your finger.
[EVO 4G General] Mecha2142:
Did that one a few weeks ago :P

[youtube]5j7cYb7EtUM[/youtube]
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] adelaney:
Was in the middle of flashing a rom and my phone rebooted for no reason. Now it won't do anything beside show htc screen or go into stock recovery. Computer wont recognize phone either. Getting pretty nervous here.:confused:
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mongoose8p:
search for the USB/SD Card problem forum.. same thing happened to another.. just search i believe it stars with something like "well it looks like I just bricked my evo"
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jgiannangeli:
I have set up Exchange on my EVO and I am having an issue sending emails. Every time I try to send a new email, I got an error on the phone "Unable to send mail" and the email goes into the Outbox.

This is where it gets weird. The email does actually get sent, but it's sent 5 times. The really strange thing is that if I reply to an email I already have, it works fine with no errors. Everything else works perfect (Contacts, Calendar,polling, etc..)

I downloaded Moxier Mail to test that. Moixer mail sent the new emails with no issues so I think this has something to do with the HTC Mail app.

When I first got the phone this seemed to to work fine. I noticed this issue after I installed LockPicker. I uninstalled Lockpicker, but was still having a problem. With no other option, I did a hard reset and just setup exchange, but still got the error so I don't think lockpicker is the issue.

Any help would be awesome!

(By the way, I work for a company with 13,000 employees and they don't support Android so I can't do anything on that side)
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ledname:
Have you tried deleting the account from the HTC Mail App and then re-adding it? I've found every once in a while (when I was trying out the Eris) that it gets flaky and the easy fix is just to delete the account and re-add it.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jgiannangeli:
Thank you for the suggestion, but I have tried that a couple times with no luck. As I mentioned, I even tried a hard reset and still got the error.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gtkansan:
Is the email server actually an exchange server? Mine is a zimbra server and has a known issue with HTC exchange mail. This is being fixed in the 6.07 server update that rolls out in a couple weeks. Till then I've disabled email sync on the zimbra/exchange account and am using IMAP for email.

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[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rayman121985:
Hey all,

I have Froyo 2.2 on my N1...anyone know why my bluetooth headset crackles and is really fuzzy sounding? Sounds like they are underwater sometime...I even tried a new bluetooth headset with same problem...any ideas? Thanks.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dictionary:
which FroYo ROM, and which kernel.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Blueman101:
mine does the exact same, its not just you its probably a froyo issue.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Blueman101:
ok so i was bored and did some tests, it seems it only happens to me when trying to send audio via bluetooth when playing a flash video, reg music and videos are no problem.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Break Action:
I also have same problem, but on CM 5.0.X (Android 2.1). I tried Motorola S9-HD (stereo) and Nokia HS-56W (mono). Every time connect the headset and the phone is very close (20-30 cm), the sound is fine, but as soon as the phone is to push further, the sound is choppy and stutters. And this happens on any headset.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] arkavat:
is WiFi on or off?

WiFi and bluetooth operate on same frequency band and can cause issues.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Break Action:
i have wi-fi on and bluetooth on.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] arkavat:
switch WiFi off and try.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Break Action:
I switched off Wi-Fi and connect Motorola S9-HD and it really workes. A will try today use more and write late about it.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] warpjavier:
Same problem here with Froyo.

I turned Wifi off and the sound problems went away.

I think is a hardware problem or design problem because I used to use the same headset (Motorola H-710) with an iPhone and never had this problem even with Wifi switched on.

Would be any way to get rid of this problem?, it really bothers me to turn off the Wifi every time I get a phone call.

Thanks
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Blueman101:
its a problem with flash, not bluetooth, adobe should fix it soon
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rayman121985:
Thank you for the suggestion I will be sure to try that tomorrow!

I have kernal 2.6.32.9-27220-g328f560 android build apa26 #1

Build number is frf50

I hear this is a test version of Froyo anyway...I don't think the real Froyo has been released yet? So maybe it will be fixed...thank you.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Break Action:
After two days of tests, with switched off Wi-Fi, it turned out that the problem does not disappear completely. Correctly identify the reason for failed. Since stuttering occurred on different songs (that is, perhaps, that stuttering is dependent on the bitrate), I sometimes felt that the problem with lowering the frequency of the processor in sleep mode, and it is not enough to encode mp3 and transfer data via Bluetooth.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NCguy:
Still bad with OTA

I got the froyo OTA for my stock N1 yesterday morning.

I can confirm that the distorted sound is present on the phone application only when wifi is turned on and you are using bluetooth. At first I thought it was only when wifi was on but not connected but it appears that you can get the distortion on a phone call whenever wifi is turned on.

All entertainment application seem to work fine with my A2DP bluetooth. Again it only seems to be bluetooth phone calls and wifi turned on. Believe me this is bad enough. This didn't happen on 2.1 and if it weren't so much hassle I'd probably go back.

Hopefully someone will come up with a workaround that will allow bluetooth calls and wifi turned on at the same time. Gees, if it weren't so basic:mad:
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RogerPodacter:
This just drives me nuts that Google makes major changes to parts of the OS, then doesn't think to actually TEST everything they changed. This would easily been detected if they actually tried it out. Duh.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Blueman101:
I have the FRF91 update and all the blutooth distortions are GONE.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NCguy:
I updated from stock via the OTA to FRF91 and thats actually when the distortions showed up on mine? Well its good to know that there is hope but now I am wondering what possibly may be different between mine and yours?

Can anyone else tell us how their bluetooth is doing on FRF91?
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NCguy:
Does anyone think a froyo factory data reset is worth trying?
[Nexus One General] summonkey:
If you go to http://www.epixhd.com and use the "get an invite code" You will get a 7 day trial to the site. You can watch a lot of premium movies on the site. This is a new premium channel like HBO, Showtime, etc. When you sign up you will want to say you are a Charter customer and live in a Charter area. You can use zip code 29615. If you have charter as your cable provider you can get the movie channel for $10 a month and it will include a subscription to the site.
[Nexus One General] andythefan:
Does this sound like spam to anyone else? -_-
[Nexus One General] Blueman101:
Of course not, the fellow just wanted to inform us of this nice new feature for the nexus one. However I can see how the total absence of anything Android related could confuse someone.:D
[Nexus One General] DMaverick50:
if this is a legit way to watch movies on my nexus then i personally would say its not spam...
[Nexus One General] subramanianv:
Not a spam. I have used it to watch a Black Eyed Peas concert. I guess as a promotional offer, they are giving 7 days free.

Nothing to do with Nexus One or android though.

Here is a link to engadget on that:

http://hd.engadget.com/2010/05/12/epix-hd-brings-the-black-eyed-peas-to-tv-pc-on-may-15-get-yo/
[Nexus One General] summonkey:
No this is not directly related to android. But a site that benefits from android. Just learned about it at work and you can sign up using different email addresses to get more than one trial.I figured I would post this in general as it does not fit in any other section.
[Nexus One General] rsm86:
sigh, sadly i could register and all, but once i get to watch a movie, it won't let me since im not in the u.s. :(
[Nexus One General] GldRush98:
Thread reported.
[Nexus One General] summonkey:
Reported for what? A kick ass site that will play blockbuster movies on the nexus. Sorry you don't like watching movies on your phone. I work for a cable company and wanted to let you all know of the trial so the xda community can enjoy it too.
[Wing, P4350 Herald Upgrading] sneakerhead13:
Im a new member to xda.....i recently got a t-mobile wing and need help to modify the phone...im not really computer guy...so how do i make it run quick and smoothly.... Simple and easy... Install a new windows mobile....

Thanks...
[Wing, P4350 Herald Upgrading] wackywasp:
what kind of modification are you looking at? just updating your phone or put in a custom / cooked rom?
[Wing, P4350 Herald Upgrading] sneakerhead13:
well im not sure...whatever...i just want my phone run faster and look better then the default one ....a better overall device experience....not sure what a custom/cooked is rom??but if it improves my phone...which one should i get??

the only thing that i installed on my phone is battery status..not sure what it does yet....
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] amanda88:
Hello,

I have a sprint touch pro 2 its unlocked and im trying to use it with att service and i need to delete the sprint settings for the internet and put atts in but i dont know how and was wondering if someone can please help me..

thanks
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] johng75:
unfortunitly the sprint phone works off of a different type of network..

Sprint = CDMA

ATT = GSM

they are not compatable with each other..
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] johng75:
how ever there is a member with a ATT touch pro 2, that needs a TP2 that works on a CDMA network... maybe you 2 can work something out and trade?

uncleswoop

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=699575
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] djteotancolis:
ummm the sprint touch pro 2 works on at&t

i'm using my sprint phone on at&t
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] djteotancolis:
i suggest flashing a new rom if you hardspl on your phone and olipro unlocked your phone
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] crash:
did you unlock your phone yourself using the links here or sprint told you it's not locked? your phone is not locked for using outside the us but is locked from using us sims unless you unlocked it with the hardspl and olipro method mentioned. the process is spelled out on these boards and ppcgeeks. after that you need to add the att settings to connect to the internet. i'm sure you can find those settings here or ppcgeeks. i have not done this myself but i've seen enough links on the subject here.
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] cyberscribe:
Friend, you are going to be very happy.... go to this url for detailed instructions for using your sprint tp2 on ATT.

http://pocketnow.com/tweaks-hacks/unlock-the-sprint-touch-pro2-radio-to-get-us-gsm

It worked fine for me

Make sure you pull out any SD card and ensure your AT&T SIM card is installed throughout the process.

No 3G though no one seems to have defeated that roadblock yet.

Make sure you do not flash anything but Hard-SPL until you have succeeded. You might find you are already unlocked by booting the tricolor bootloader mode (power on with down volume depressed) and looking for olinex on the second or third line also look for "Security Unlocked" on the top, otherwise you need to sim and carrier unlock it. The link about gives you all the details.

Best of luck mate

Once you have flashed the radio described at the end of the video, remember to ONLY use CDMA ROMs, a GSM ROM can brick you even though you are using a GSM radio mode, only use ROMs specific for the Sprint CDMA, I recommend NRGs ROM for CDMA after they reboot they setup all your ATT settings for you. What more could you ask for?
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] pengc99:
Works for me as well, but I'm using the June 11th release of EnergyRom for CDMA phones.

Here's what I did:

1. Hard SPL unlock (free)

2. Flash the ROM of your choice, I used EnergyRom (free)

3. Do the SIM Security Unlock (~$20USD)

4. Then flash a World Unlocked radio to your phone (free)

Once you have a World Unlocked radio flashed, then you can pop in the SIM card of your choice, change the phone to GSM mode, then the phone will pop up a menu to provision settings for that network provider. The CDMA Touch Pro 2's do not have the bands needed to support 3G in the US, so you will be only on 2.5G Edge Net speeds.

Happy hacking
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vboyz103:
Hey guys, so I have a google account and downloaded the google voice app for droid. Question is if I make a call via google to a different number (both cell and tie line), does it count against my anytime minute? I do have unlimited mobile to mobile, and unlimited to any wireless #. Thing is google voice makes call to a 916 number, and not sure if it's tie line of cell.

Thoughts?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ssami1:
The google voice number that dial out from if you have it set to show the GV number then it will use minutes. receiving calls works the same way.
[EVO 4G Themes and Apps] Sawdizzle:
Has anyone else downloaded this Launcher, and messed with it?

I downloaded it tonight, and I love it. Check my screencap.

It allows 5 apps to be put on a menu bar, allows you to select the number of home screens you want, and allows the home screen to go sideways.

I really like it, let me know your thoughts.

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