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[EVO 4G General] khov07:
This is by far the best device I have ever used.

SIZE: At first I thought the size was almost too big, but no, it fits comfortably in my jeans and slacks. Beyond that, once you get used to the screen, everything else looks just plain tiny, even on devices with identical screen resolutions. It is also pretty thin, and with such a large screen, gives the impression of being very thin. Overall, a very good looking phone, I am not putting any kind of case on it, it's just too good looking. Bigger and better looking than the iPhone.

WEB BROWSING: A dream, far superior to any other device, if just for the sheer size of the screen. I came from a Touch Pro 2, which when I got it, I thought it was amazing for browsing...but the EVO leaves it in the dust. Once 2.2 is released, it will be the icing on the cake to have flash on the web, the FULL web, and not Apple's version of it.

SPEED: The EVO is very snappy, even with sense running. Running multiple apps, and switching back and forth with no lag. Fantastic.

MESSAGING: My EVO is synced with Exchange, and I enjoy the mail client and calendar. It is a pleasure to read emails on the large screen. Texting is texting, really it all comes down to the keyboard. I was previously a huge proponent of hardware keyboards and heavily resisted touch-screen-only devices. However, the size of the keyboard makes typing easy, though as others have commented, the screen is very sensitive. I hate all text-prediction tools, I automatically turn them off, and typing is just fine. I love the EVO's implementation of voicemail as well.

CALL QUALITY: could be a little better, but not a deal-breaker for me. I use more megabytes than minutes, so not a huge issue for me. The external speaker is not as loud or full as the TP2's, which in the best I've ever used.

LIGHT SEEPAGE: My unit shows no light seepage at the bottom.

CAMERA: Haven't used it much, but seems fine. One thing I can say is that the camera app opens and responds much, much faster than any other device I've used.

BATTERY: After a day of full use, it will be dying - expected from smartphones, especially one with this hardware.

VIDEO CALLS: I have not used Qik, only Fring with Skype, which works well. Works with 3g and should also work with wifi, though I have not tested. Can't wait for Skype to release an Android client.

OVERALL IMPRESSION: one beast of a device, leaves everything else in the dust. Best smartphone to date, will easily best the iPhone 4 once 2.2 is released (speed + flash). My ONLY negative on this is that I miss CorePlayer - none of my movies will play on the EVO, and Android has no CorePlayer, or anything that comes close. However, YouTube HQ keeps me entertained ;)
[EVO 4G General] ap3604:
Thank you for the time to answer questions. I really appreciate it :)

Do you have to be rooted in order to get the vanilla rom on the EVO? Or could you get it even if your not rooted?

(Your probably much smarter than me at this stuff since I haven't rooted yet)
[EVO 4G General] richse:
Yes, you will need to be rooted to run the vanilla or any other rom.
[EVO 4G General] MetroKnight:
You have my attention... I now have a reason to root!
[EVO 4G General] gonzoangel:
I've been on my hero now for a while. Tried a ton of ROMs and my final answer is, Jesus Christ these batteries suck so bad. 4g coverage blows and its only in La.

Love my phone on WiFi though for vids and the like. Just tired of having to always having to be near a power outlet.
[EVO 4G General] xHausx:
I invested in a spare battery and a wall charger and it was the best investment I ever mad, battery life is a non issue to me now.

btw, you realize this thread is nearly eight months old right? They're talking about getting vanilla 2.1 on here and we have had 2.3 ROMs out for at least a month now
[EVO 4G General] Last-Chance:
nice century bump. Someone close this year old thread.
[EVO 4G General] xfullmetal17:
Bit more than the weekend (two actually)...

The quirks were useless bloatware and the Sense clock being choppy (unlike the Shift's) These were easily fixed with Warm goodness.

I came from the Samsung Instinct. Now that I have this, I keep my old phone to remind me what was once considered a "cool" phone and how good we have it now.

I won't say how much better my Evo is because I'll need a page's worth of posts to do it.
[EVO 4G General] Last-Chance:
too short.........
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] 3Shirts:
Anyone with leet p'shop skillz fancy making me a football (soccer) wallpaper, perhaps do them on request for different countries?

EDIT: I had a little go but the original android wasn't very high res so it's not ideal. Also, I wanted it on black really but not sure how without it going all crappy
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] animoo:
Great idea, but as far as i can see, you can do it, right? Just need a bigger Droid.
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] 3Shirts:
Yeah, I am better with GIMP than I realised :)

I do need a better/bigger android though, ideally a nice clean transparent-backed png
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] animoo:
How is the project going on? :)
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] -J450N:
I want ITALYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

U know what would be cool? an android sliding on grass pulling his jersey...coolnesss to the MAX!!!!
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] DiGWeeD2:
http://www.cyrket.com/search?market=android&account=Llacuna+Innova
[Desire General] dr_s:
Wowwww. never thought I would say this for an iPhone. Always a loyal WinMo user and HTC user, recently changed to Android from WinMO. Now this iPhone 4 would be REALLY hard to resist ..... I am being converted ..;)

Check the live blog:

http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/07/steve-jobs-live-from-wwdc-2010/

I guess, now the only issue on which iPhone 4 lacks is the Flash.

What are the opinions guys. Who is dumping HTC/Android/WinMo for iPhone 4????
[Desire General] jabok:
Nice hardware, shame it runs Apple OS really. :p

Can't believe how excitedly they were reporting video calls (wifi only btw!) - like it was some major revolution. Have they been living in caves!? :D
[Desire General] geccco:
Hardware looks 'ok', but nothing that I would'nt expect from the latest phone on the market. Other than that, as said, as long as it's made by Apple, runs Apple's OS and is held down by the restrictions that follows, I'm never going to consider it over Android.
[Desire General] .Hodgy.:
looks alrite, but i still prefer my HTC and android over apple.

thought android had overtaken iphone in market share??? :confused:
[Desire General] Tenhi:
Android forever :))!
[Desire General] veryjiggy:
I personally think the box-like shape is terribly ugly. It looks like a portable hard drive.

Couldn't find anything terribly appealing in it.

Would pick up the open-Android over closed-iPhone any day!
[Desire General] Jaa-Yoo:
Apple can suck the sweat from my balls! I will never buy an Apple product. :p

I dislike the level of arrogance they seem to have and the business practices they use. And the way Jobs tries to sell us old ideas and features, as new and "revolutionary" really grinds my gears.

That said, the new iphone looks like a sugary sweet device. :D
[Desire General] zkyevolved:
battery life looks great though :) I'd trade that any day! haha
[Desire General] Jaa-Yoo:
It IS a major revolution... cause Steve Jobs says so. :p
[Desire General] daniel.mitran:
Please believe me when I say this: if someone would offer me an iPhone 4 in exchange for my HTC Desire I'd take the iPhone, sell it and buy a HTC Incredible (and keep the change :D )

Android all the way :)
[Desire General] samac92:
nope, android is no way near apple in terms of market share.

but anyway, the phone looks pretty awesome (326 ppi screen!!!)

video calling over wifi only sucks, but fring is already on the app store and im pretty sure they could add video like on the evo (if apple lets it! which they probably wont!)

flash isn't a huge issue for me because all the websites i use for video (like iplayer, tvcatchup.com) already work on the iphone.

the level of polish on the iphone software is also awesome, it's so fast and smooth, and the quality/number of apps on the app store blows the android market away.

will i be getting one? probably not, they're so darn expensive! and i'd miss the customisation you get with android.
[Desire General] oursoul:
Pure Marketing ;)

*cough*

Evo 4g which is actually 4g lol
[Desire General] jannen:
Thats not true. Android outsold Apples Iphone in US alraedy back in April.

http://mashable.com/2010/05/10/android-outselling-iphone/

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/may/10/google-android-outsells-apple-iphone
[Desire General] Gooner4_1998:
Yeah, for one quarter!

No doubt that android will pass the iPhone on terms of market share but its not there yet!

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Sent from my HTC Desire
[Desire General] jabok:
Those results were just for the first quarter of this year. It means Android is starting to catch up, but crApple have sold way more in the past so still has a bigger user base.
[Desire General] biemsy:
I'll have an iPhone when you put it in my cold, dead hands.
[Desire General] samac92:
Apple's market share is 3 times that of Android - and this is only in the US, Android isn't as popular elsewhere in the world.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/05/iphone-vs-android-report-finds-apple-has-three-times-googles/
[Desire General] Nuntius:
I would say the only issue is the fact the iPhone is "Apple opereted". Nice piece of work but I don't like the "jail feeling" of this OS!

So you can still show me the perfect hardware, I'll pass my way...
[Desire General] samac92:
yeah i think that's the only reason why all of us are using android, we want to do what we want with our phones!

but i dont blame apple for doing it, i really don't think the iphone would be were it is today if apple let developers and users do whatever they want. with apple controlling everything you get a reliable, consistent smooth operation, which the average user loves. Average Joe doesn't care if apps have to be approved by apple - in fact the average apple users has no idea what goes on in terms of apps and restrictions - all they see is the end product.

the few that do either go android or jailbreak!
[Desire General] aljwatson69:
The iPhone always looked like a good idea to me on the face of things but I wouldn't get on because they're too expensive and the OS is too closed. There are some ways where the iPhone and the apple OS currently out does Android, susch as the apps, but on balance a Desire running Android is still the phone for me. I know lots of people who have an iPhone who will definitely get it, and if they're happy with the OS and the cost there's not really any reason not to.
[Desire General] oursoul:
isn't it funny how with Apple they have to do all their marketing

but with Android its the users that do it naturally ;)
[Desire General] simonthor:
http://www.apple.com/iphone/features/

Lol, is it just me or are apple really happy about themselves!?
[Desire General] samac92:
i am actually considering getting one... hold me back! :P

check out this picture taken with the iphone 4 -

http://gizmodo.com/5557622/this-is-how-the-new-iphone-4s-photos-look

awesome quality
[Desire General] andycted:
That look incredibly uncomfortable, kind of the touch hd, for double the price and less screen estate
[Desire General] samac92:
i dont agree that it will be obsolete any time soon - 326 ppi? is anyone gonna come close any time soon?

backlit camera sensor? in a phone?? this is brand new tech - awesome.

and in terms of software polish - nothing will ever come close to apple - the software has been almost untouched UI wise since 2007, yet no other company can pull of a UI as slick and as pleasing to use as the iPhone.
[Desire General] potter1984:
But just remember, its not the last phone ever to be built......

Just after its release something else will pop up even better, then you who bought one on contract will cry, again....... as always.....
[Desire General] rhombus:
looks very nice. some cool new tech involved but im still happy with my desire.
[Desire General] Tiger33:
looking good

but ill stick with the desire thank y ou ...

waiting for the upgrade to the desire (better battery life please! - thats all i want - and maybe noise cancellation..? and a better speakerphone = perfect phone)
[Desire General] oursoul:
Has to be said that the camera on the Desire is staggeringly ****.
[Desire General] pikubik:
Like with almost every Apple product of the last decade, I have this "oh, shiny!"-urge to go out and buy the new gadget from His Holy Steveness. But except for one 160G iPod (there really is no alternative on the market) all the Apple-related drawbacks kept me from going through with the initial urge.

It's the same with the new iPhone. The design is absolutely stunning, the display beats everything Android has to offer, the battery life is decent. But it's a closed system, and if you don't use it exactly like His Steveness intended you to use it, you'll hate the experience.

I am more than happy with my Desire and Android. It may not be as polished as the iPhone, but at least it feels like I own the phone, and not some dude in Cupertino.
[Desire General] zzleezz:
Every time I have been ready to get a new phone I have looked at the iPhone, from first gen through to the 3gs and I was also aware of the 4g being released this year. Each and every time I went for the best phone for me at that time and each time it was NOT the iPhone.

That being said a lot of people ask me for advice on what I think would be the best phone for them, and I have to say a lot of the time I recommend they get themselves an iPhone :P But those are the people that want a gadget that just works and does what they expect. They are not people that will fiddle, hack, patch to get so much more from the phone than they could have expected at the time they bought it.

Put a stock desire next to a stock iPhone and (in my opinion) the desire is the better phone. Right now thats all that matters, makes no difference if apple or htc or whoever promise to release a new bit of hardware that will perform miracles, that will not only not cost money but will make you money, that will make women love you and men respect you, none of that matters - all that matters is what is best NOW.
[Desire General] Phil750123:
The same thing i said, they were making it out like they invented the thing!
[Desire General] samac92:
lol i know

in america its more of a big deal as the only other phone that does video calling is the evo - the us is far behind the rest of the world in terms of mobile infrastructure, hence why they've never had video calling before

hopefully video calling will take off a bit more, in the past it has seemed a bit of a gimmick that nobody used
[Desire General] .Hodgy.:
and i think it will carry on like this as well, i just personally don't see why its worth putting it on a device these days, you could probably guarantee that most people who get this phone will maybe use it a hand-full of times when they first get it then probably never use it again.
[Desire General] :
ansd then not be able to run it because its CDMA;) (thats if your in the UK of course;):p
[Desire General] TeCH-Guruz:
OK so I had a iphone have now got a desire but the one thing I dont understand is why all the *****in about price iphone 3gs 16gb £449 htc desire £419.99 add on your 16gb microsd card and the desire works out the same price :confused: normally when apple releases their latest iphone the price of the old phone drops and the new phone comes in at the same price as the old one so it how is the iphone any more expensive than the desire? Feel free to tell me i'm worng but the numbers speak for themselves.
[Desire General] Necroman_AI:
I will never buy an iphone or any Apple products.

If someone gives me something Apple, i will surely sell it (sorry to who gave it to me) and buy something better - there is always something better than Apple does and far cheaper!
[Desire General] TeCH-Guruz:
This is exactly what I am talkin about I'm not disputing which phone is better but your on a desire forum and you are saying that the iphone is expensive and you can get something better far cheaper, please show me where because the desire is certainly not far cheaper in the uk at least!
[Desire General] shaundalglish:
Yes it has!

They are talking about the installed base, and say market share.

But actually, Android is outselling the iPhone (worldwide!), which means it has a higher market share.
[Desire General] Chading:
No. It hasn't, and it doesn't. You're conflating the selling rate and the existing units.

For the past month, there have been more Android devices sold than iPhones. At the same time, this is the low point in the iPhone cycle, with people expecting the new one. Android does not have a higher market share than Apple.
[Desire General] boge:
For the one who said that video call is "old" technology, can you show me in which phone we can do video call for free?

I agree that a lot of things in the iPhone are already exist before. What they able to do is making those things really functional.

Also, I was using WM for years with touch screen, and not before HD the touch screen in WM is still not really smooth. iPhone from out of the blue launch their capacitive and multitouch screen. They are not inventing touchscreen, they only make it usable. I really hate to say this, but I have to admit that iPhone is the first usable smartphone.

Let's look at the first iPhone, it can't do copy paste, it can't do multitaksing, it only can do a basic things, but all of the things that they offer are almost flawless. And then after that they introduce those functions in a better way, let say the copy paste thing, even in my Desire, it can't do what iPhone 3GS can do. I also suspect that the way they handle multitasking might be better than what android has. We don't know yet about this, but we can see in the near future.

The point is, so far they only introduce the functions that usable and almost bug free.

Also, the thing like video HD recording, before I bought Desire I heard that Desire will be able to do this, but until now is still one of a lot of promises that are not yet fulfilled.

Anyhow, after think about it last night, I'll keep my Desire, for the sake of open source things, and I can play with that.

Buying iPhone is like buying a nice car that we can use but not touch what is inside. On the other hand, android can be as good as iPhone 4 and we can decide what to put inside.

I only hope that Froyo will come soon to Desire...
[Desire General] jonmall1441:
First of all front having cameras have been around for ages and is even on some very basic nokia phones. It's not something that will catch on, especially when it's over wifi only...that's why skype exists.

Multitasking on the iOS 4 is not actual multitasking out just saves your state in that application whereas the multitasking in android is proper multitasking. Most of the multitasking in the new iPhone Os happens through APIs.

They did not change the very very annoying notification system.

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Sent from my HTC Desire
[Desire General] th3:
Change phones... why?

We're not all phone fanboys or Apple fanatics here. Phones are just gadgets I buy for requirements. I buy what I need, when it is feasible and if it is worth the cost per my needs. Not just throw money around at every next release from some fad company. Right now, nothing on the market matches the Desire package I have for any of my 100s of requirements. When something does meet my major requirements considerably above it, I'll pay for it, after getting some good life out if this first. I'm in no rush just yet, and frankly, the more I delay the next purchase, the better and more worthwhile an upgrade it'll be.

It'll be interesting to hear feedback/reviews from the first batch of candid and genuine retail users of this new phone though. Looking forward to that, although not some retarded Apple fanatics zealous, embellished, sycophantic, raves though. Fanatics of countries/brands/fads are mentally ill nutcases devoid of worm level intelligence.

My reaction to this update release was synonymous to what my fellows on XS resounded: www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=253504

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- Sent via my HTC Desire -
[Desire General] samac92:
I think it will take off a bit. In the past video calling was to expensive because no one paid for 3G because mobile browsers were useless, and hardly anyone else front facing cameras to talk to.

atm tho its wifi only, but apple said theyre working with carriers to open it up, and the "facetime" thing is an open standard so any other phone should be able to adopt it.

on contract its certainly cheaper - £15 a month on t mo, iphone is £30 a month cheapest
[Desire General] jauhari:
Restricted go to iphone, free go to android

Sent from my HTC Desire
[Desire General] psycho.ro:
As long as :

*i can get apps for free from the community

*i can replace the battery whenever i want

*i can expand my phone memory anytime i want [sdcard]

*i am still intelligent enough so that i can always find ways to use a phone for what it is

*i have no bull**** marketing saying to me they invented "hot water"

*i am not told what i do and don't need for my phone

android > apple/iphone
[Desire General] MaD FroYo:
Great hardware specs, shameful closed OS policy.
[Desire General] gogol:
Here is my take on the new iPhone 4 (I am using HTC Desire atm).

I don't think I will switch to iPhone, my main reason is the web browser.

Any iPhone user can say anything you like, but one thing that I hate about the iPhone Safari web browser .... it does not reflow the text when you pinch-zoom. User must scroll left and right to read the zoomed text.

The Android Chrome browser will reflow (reformat) the text nicely.

For that reason, I prefer Android because I use my phone mainly for web browsing.

And I will be pissed if I must scroll left and right left and right :D

I don't care with front facing camera, video call because I dont use them honestly.

Although I quite like the iPhone for its software collection :)

For curiosity, I will buy iPhone 4 for my wife :P
[Desire General] foxmeister:
Technology has got nothing to do with pricing. I had video calling on a 3G phone many years ago, and it was nothing but a gimmick in the end - cost didn't come into it.

However, to answer your question - yes I can.

The Dell Streak or the HTC Evo - free video calling via Fring.

EDIT: Also, the N900 via Skype and GTalk.

Regards,

Dave
[Desire General] subharmonic:
REally it's not the one off costs that's the issue. It's the term of contract cost.

How much does iphone cost over the two year contract? £800 approx?

I bought the Desire, and for the term of contract it'll cost me approx £400.

It doesn't make sense, to me anyway, buying a PAYG phone as you need to fork out £400 for the phone, plus any call tariffs. So even then, I'd say the recent Desire deals haven't been brilliant either. I mean, even the 16gb storage thing that comes with iPhone is good, because with Desire in the UK, if you want 16gb in your phone, it'll cost you close to £100 for a 16gb micro sd. Average for an 8gb seemed to be about £20, though like me you could have got an 8gb for a tenner if you shopped around.

Desire imo was great value on the early T Mobile deals, but is much less so now, unless of course you use your free calls well. Me, I was averaging under 300 mins a month, so it didn't make a whole lot of sense getting a contract with 600 mins+ a month - I'd be paying for those extra mins for two years, and in the main, not use them. If I go over the minutes? Yeah you get stung then, but how often are you likely to go over? Maybe a few times, but if it becomes regular, just change your tariff...

At which point does it become sensible to buy an iPhone over Desire? Not sure - I haven't seen the new iPhone in action. Besides, I've still to see Froyo on my Desire as well...
[Desire General] foxmeister:
????

I paid less than £30 for 16gb Sandisk Class 2 card - and yes, a good quality class 2 card *is* all you need.

Regards,

Dave