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[EVO 4G General] mrmomoman:
Let them get the BILL for going over and see how much they like AT&T at that point :)

Until then we will enjoy Unlimited or at least 5GB for a single charge.
[EVO 4G General] Classick206:
The iPhone doesn't have a data cap to anyone who switched over from AT&T to Sprint for the Evo and wants to switch back. How is Apple OS locked down? Have you heard of jailbreak? I've grown tired of people boasting Android for being so open when it's really not. Unless you're a developer, which 99% of people are not- Android isn't anything special. iPhones don't need a replaceable battery- because iPhones have always had the best battery life out of all smart phones. Kickstand? Really? :rolleyes: That's a con? A gimmick like a kickstand isn't allowed to be listed as a con. Video calling will be available over 3G once the jailbreak is released. And iPhones can get TomTom for free. AT&T's 3G network is the fastest in the nation. As opposed to Sprints, which is the slowest among the major carriers. 4G isn't a bragging right until it goes nationwide. 20+ cities means it's still a work in progess. Also, 4G has absolutely NO signal penetration.

Of course the choice is easy when you're delusional.

As for myself... I haven't decided whether or not I'll be going back to the iPhone. I love the Evo 4G, especially the size. Sprint's towers seem to have no signal penetration as I've had to order an Airave just to boost the signal in my own home. I have yet to successfully dial out from my own home in over one week. While I would have liked a bit more from iPhone 4, I am still impressed with some of the things they have done. The camera on that phone is going to be as close to professional quality as possible. I will more than likely place a pre-order on the 15th, and decide before the 24th.
[EVO 4G General] bockjacob:
That's completely false.
[EVO 4G General] Akulamenuri:
You keep talkin about the jailbreak but the features listed are both stock. Unless you wanna talk about both phones being jailbroken don't make the comparison.
[EVO 4G General] Classick206:
Oh really?

phonedog.com/2010/06/06/the-impact-of-atts-new-data-plans/

news.cnet.com/8301-30686_3-20006997-266.html?tag=TOCmoreStories.0

Don't doubt me again.
[EVO 4G General] OtisFeelgood:
Win.

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[EVO 4G General] dmc971989:
so your still a current customer with At&T?

because if so you didnt make that very clear in your previous posts... atleast the ones i read
[EVO 4G General] OtisFeelgood:
I don't see anything about switching to another carrier and back and keeping the unlimited option, only for upgrading to a different phone on AT&T.
[EVO 4G General] Classick206:
When you switch over to another carrier, your contract is still technically active until you pay your ETF, or 30 days goes by. If I wanted to, I could give Sprint the bird, and tell them their coverage is too pathetic to warrant me staying with them... go back to AT&T under the same contract, and upgrade to the iPhone 4. Which I'm debating on whether or not to do.
[EVO 4G General] OtisFeelgood:
That must have changed within the last two years because when I left AT&T in late 2008 the rep on the phone told me my contract ended right there(and I didn't pay the ETF at that time) and I would have to pay a deposit if I come back. Anyways, two years later I'm with Sprint now with a better plan, better coverage(atleast where I am/travel), and no regrets.
[EVO 4G General] bockjacob:
Congratulations, it's still not unlimited, it's capped at 5GB.
[EVO 4G General] pecosROB:
Curiosity killed the cat... but in this case, it reaffirms to you that this IS a site dedicated to HTC devices... and this thread to the best one on the market right now (at least that's available in the US on contract).

:-)
[EVO 4G General] bobdude5:
Iphone

-Better Appstore and better apps (android is catching up but still a ways off)

-Better screen ( but 800 X 480 is still plenty)

-Better Battery Life

-Aluminum casing as antenna (you gotta admit thats pretty smart)

-gyroscope (cant imagine using but its pretty neat lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyTcnbKvus8)

Evo 4g

-Bigger Screen

-Much more customizable os

-Flash Player

-Replaceable battery

-replaceable storage

-dual led flash

-Widgets

Both

-Good cameras (despite the lower mp count, im pretty sure the iphone camera is going to be on par or maybe even better than the evos

-great build quality

-Fast processors

They are both great phones. Apple actually did a nice upgrade with the iphone 4 (unlike the 3g and 3gs) but to me the iphone os is too boring. Android is just way more visually appealing. I also dont i could go back to a screen in the 3's lol i love this huge display. In conclusion..evo wins :)
[EVO 4G General] bockjacob:
bobdude5, couldn't have said it better myself. Very objective summary of the two.
[EVO 4G General] Classick206:
What's funny is the exact opposite is true for me. I've only had the Evo 4G for a week and I've already grown bored of Android OS. The market is bland, and there's really not much to do with the OS. To each his own at it's finest.
[EVO 4G General] shizs14:
I work at the apple store and I've had an iPhone sense it came out. I decided to go with the evo cause of the OS n unlimited data. I have a strong 4g signal here in Vegas and use it a lot. I even cancel my internet service cause of the hotspot. Plus I luv the big screen. The res on the new iPhone is great but with the 4g n unlimited data and better reception than ATT. I'm sticking with me evo.

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[EVO 4G General] magicalan:
yeah what sucks a bout the phone its not the phone its the carrier *cough*AT&T *cough*
[EVO 4G General] shizs14:
LOL!!!!! I completely agree with u. My wife is just waiting for her contract to end and she want to move to Sprint. She's using my EVO more than her Iphone 3gs lol!!!!!!!
[EVO 4G General] flexgrip:
I just wanted to mention something about the antenna casing iphone 4 deal. Just because you solder the antenna to the casing of the iphone, does not mean that it is going to boost or increase signal. There are a lot of things that can affect the reception of that casing (humidity, malleable life, etc ). And to be honest, the size of the casing is not that big of a deal. I know a lot of folks start rolling tin foil on to the end of their rabbit ears and BAM, job done. But that is not how it works. More is not always better with antennas.

Now I fully trust that the iphone engineers have done their homework, but one major problem with wireless networks is not the clients, its just pure mW that you can get out of the clients themselves. Just like a wifi bridge. You can amp the signal on one end all day long, it doesn't mean your clients can send it back that way.

And if they did boost the hell out of their sending power, good luck with the battery life.

Like I said, I am sure the casing is tuned to spec with their GSM radios and the Apple engineers can show an increase on white-paper, they are brilliant. But I STRONGLY believe it is not going even change the amount of "bars" you get in real life. But I would pitch that all day long if more people would buy phones because of it. And I am glad to see that kind of thinking in this industry. Eventually because of these phone battles, we will end up with the best phones ever!
[EVO 4G General] Xenithflare:
Posting this in an EVO forum, it was obivious what response you were going to get :p Personally, I can't imagine going FROM a phone like the EVO to an iPhone... but then again, the iPhone 4 isn't designed to convert. Its purpose is to offer current iPhone customers a new, better version of the phone they already love (and an OS upgrade for those in-contract), and to entice those who haven't made the jump from a "dumbphone."

Looking at the specs from the conference yesterday, I noticed that the new iPhone actually -for once- seems like a credible device. They've finally caught up to the fact that their phone was outdated, and better late than never, I say. A large display (granted, not as large as the EVO, but we REALLY don't need too many mini tablets running around) with a massive resolution, HD video recording (which is becoming a standard), full six-axis control, 16 and 32gb of storage, a potential 1GHz ARM processor... none of it is groundbreaking, but it is completely standard. All that, combined with their app store catalogue, makes it a major player.

That said...

The iPhone is NOT a smartphone, by ANY stretch of the imagination. As such, it isn't fair to compare it to one or any. People wanting the accessability of Android, people wanting the customization of WM, aren't going to want or need what the iPhone gives; people wanting ease of use and apps and games, or wanting seamless integration with iTunes will be enticed by the new iPhone. People who wanted to do certain things with the iPhone that they couldn't before, will be happy.

It's a better, more legitimate device now. That doesn't mean it's better or worse than the EVO, as they're incomparable.
[EVO 4G General] engagedtosmile:
Only thing I am envious of is the App Store. Good thing we can get an iPod Touch eh? :)

The iPhone 4 looks the same as the first iPhone. Compared to the amount of development and growth that Android has, Apple has to step up their game. They were the innovators, now they are busy playing catch up with features.

Spec wise, it looks like both parties are winners. I am very happy that the iPhone exists and continues to supply competition.
[EVO 4G General] RandomKillah:
If you port your number to sprint it automatically cancels your ATT account immediately (at least in my case) so be careful taking this advice.

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[EVO 4G General] RandomKillah:
Sorry previous response was in reply to this.

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[EVO 4G General] danknee:
Literally speaking, a smart phone is exactly what the iPhone is... maybe you were trying to make a joke about it being a dumb phone?
[EVO 4G General] cjacks519:
It seems to me that AT&T and Apple put a "rush job" on creating the iphone 4. I feel it's only being released now because both Apple and AT&T were starting to realize they were getting too far behind on the "specs" game. The iphone 4 specs just bring it up to date with many other devices currently available. Hint...Hint... EVO 4G :D

I've owned all other models of iphone at one time or another, and had AT&T service a couple times. Neither are extremely bad, but as far as my personal preference, I gotta go with the EVO. As far as the cost of a cell phone plan...Sprint hands down.

Besides...this is a dev forum and noob or not we're all little hackers/modders/devs at heart or we wouldn't be in this forum. Apple puts way too many restrictions on their phones which is a total deal breaker for me. If I paid my hard earned $400-$600 for a device, I'll hack it, mod it, jailbreak it, root it, or flush that sucker down the toilet! And I don't want to hear a peep from Apple about what I can and can't do with it.

And who wants a damn force fed firmware update every two to three days anyway?! :eek: I'll pass...
[EVO 4G General] adelaney:
What a douchie poll. And so is anyone who would trade an evo for a sub par iPhone is a douche. Maybe you should join the " I'm a douch Apple fanboy forums".
[EVO 4G General] fearedbliss:
I've been on T-Mobile USA for the past 3-4 years and happy with my iPhone 3G and then the 3GS (Jailbroken and unlocked using PwnageTool and ultrasn0w). After that I got the EVO 4G to try it out and return within 30 days to get the iPhone 4..

Now that the iPhone was announced and I looked at AT&Ts 2GB cap.. I can't do it.. there is a problem with me wanting the iPhone 4 and my brain saying Sprint's unlimited data + 4G > AT&Ts 2GB 3G data.

So now basically I'm going to have to give up all 95+ applications that I've downloaded/purchased through the AppStore because of AT&T.. maybe I'll get a WiFi iPad and tether it via EVO 4G and root (when everything works). That would certainly replace my dependence on the iPhone for apps.
[EVO 4G General] engagedtosmile:
iPad or iPod Touch?
[EVO 4G General] Dacian:
I watched that keynote thinking, "can't the Evo do all of those things already?". Then they announced the gyroscope and I laughed, Sony tried the Six Axis thing and look how that turned out. The resolution is nice, but who's going to be zooming that far in to read one letter at a time?
[EVO 4G General] Apo11on:
what a stupid topic! if anyone is going to return evo 4g for iphone they need to see a shrink asap. seriously - seek help!

those 2 devices arent even in the same weight category, to be compared
[EVO 4G General] ap3604:
Yeah... it makes a lot of sense for people to trade in the best smartphone in the game today for a phone that mindless drones flock to. Sign me up! :rolleyes:
[EVO 4G General] BrianDigital:
can we edit the poll for a "I would never buy an apple product"
[EVO 4G General] antjc80:
AMEN TO THAT!

Glad someone finally had the brass to say it out loud here
[EVO 4G General] Rennat:
If you are switching to an iPhone 4, you just don't get it. If you are thinking about switching stop reading engadget and go through what OS is better.... android anyone?
[EVO 4G General] khov07:
I agree to an extent...the iPhone is meant for folks that like seamless integration with iTunes, and is geared more towards the average consumer, at which it is very successful. But for me, a business user, the EVO wins, hands-down. The iPhone was long laughed at in the enterprise sector, and though IP4 should improve on that (if you listen to Steve anyway), I am still not sold on it. Both iPhone 4 and EVO have great features, it all comes down to what you like...and what kind of signal you get from either AT&T or Sprint. The consumer-friendly edge the EVO has over the iPhone 4 is 4g and flash.
[EVO 4G General] lemonspeakers:
best quote ever!. stop reading that fanboy engadget webpage.

btw, is there an ANTI-engadget webpage Anywhere?
[EVO 4G General] Xenithflare:
I wasn't speaking literally, by definition. :p Though "imagination" technically covers the definition, doesn't it? :p My mistake. I was referring to what khov07 (quoted below) later said, in which the iPhone was never really DESIGNED for the strengths most smartphones strive for. It is, at heart, a multimedia device, not a business tool. No one can argue that fact :p

That's pretty much exactly what I said; the iPhone is not meant for business users. It's designed toward people looking for ease of use and a long track record of success. In the phone world, the average consumer focuses on brand to a ridiculous extent; working with phones, I have people all the time tell me they want a Samsung, or what have you, because they had one before, and it was a great phone. Like it or not, the iPhones have always done what they do well, so they get a lot of word-of-mouth praise. I completely agree with you in that the iPhone STILL does not serve any sort of business purpose :p It doesn't really compete with anything; it's more of a "you want the iPhone or you dont." I might get it as a phone to play with, once I can tack it onto my employee plan... but it certainly won't replace my WinMo phone.
[EVO 4G General] OtisFeelgood:
I have an ipod touch and the AppStore is meh, and I hate iTunes with a f*cking passion.
[EVO 4G General] alex2792:
I loved my iPhone but AT&T service is awful so I made the switch. Now that I'm able to actually make phone calls while at work without having redial 20 times nothing will make me go back.
[EVO 4G General] chumba8:
I would NEVER own an iPhone again

I would never own a iphone again ever I have had every model and there were ok for like 5yr ago technology the Evo BLOWS everything out of the water and I would have told you before the "sprint has the worst service and i would never use it" I am very mistaken in the case of the Evo I have use it since the I/O confrence and WOW is all I can sy I have 4g in my area and its stupid fast and my 3g is as good if not better then verizon and who would want to go to att? even steve jobs couldnt get his iphone to work right lol I will never go back to apple ever (at least for a phone) oh yeah and itunes is crap too
[EVO 4G General] notown775:
whats the app count up to? 100,000 vs 40,000?

and you have how many of either of those amounts installed?

LOL..
[EVO 4G General] jasonziter:
Couldn't agree with you more ap!!

You should all go over to:

http://www.cultofmac.com/comparison...4g-amoled/46170/comment-page-1#comment-376298

I didn't realize it was titled "cultofmac". I have been tearing the iphone up over there and sooooo many iPhone sheeple are mad as heck at me.

I wrote a two page rebuttal to the "Clash of the titans EVO 4G vs iPhone 4" article, which was OBVIOUSLY very biased. So much so, it was crazy. The iPhoners are mad as hell at me and aren't taking it any more.

EVO 4G all the way.....from a former iPhone 3G user who got tired of having Steve Jobs tell me how I could my piece of hardware. I'll never go back to comrade Jobs.
[EVO 4G General] johnnymc:
I am a new member to this forum - but thought I would chime in:

I actually switched to Sprint for the Evo 4G ... and didn't like it - so within 5 days I switched back to AT&T, I confirmed with AT&T that I would keep my unlimited plan... along with all my roll-over minutes ... basically my account is exactly as it was before I left ... glad to be back ... the Evo 4G is bloated and android is unwieldy ... Apple was right ... there is a reason why multitasking had to wait to be done right ... what is up with android and all the apps that are always running? I tried a task killer but come-on... everything required installing MORE apps to fix problems and battery life. I hated it... I also missed my iTunes sync ... someone suggested doubleTwist ... that software is buggy and did not work well for me at all ... glad to be back on iPhone and will preorder iPhone 4.
[EVO 4G General] Jye75:
Glad to see you go! Hope the door hit you on the way out!
[EVO 4G General] johnnymc:
I gave the evo a try. I really wanted to like it, there is a lot to like ... but the battery life was a deal-breaker. Also, android is getting better, but it still feels like a beta to me. Hopefully 2.2 fixes it. My employer who uses Sprint, will hopefully get me an Evo to replace my Palm Pre though so perhaps I'll have the best of both worlds here soon. My personal phone will remain the iPhone ... it just remains transparent for me since it's so easy to sync and it's just automatic.
[EVO 4G General] Jye75:
Contradict yourself much? First you say you hated it, then you say you hope to get one in addition to your iPhone because it's the best of both worlds...

I don't have a problem with battery life, it takes me throughout my entire day from 7am until around 1030pm when I plug it in to charge for the night. That's with full business use of it, gps on, push exchange mail, etc. Granted, if I had the time to play games and watch videos much, I would bring my extra battery.
[EVO 4G General] Jye75:
His whole argument is about battery life really... like I said, I don't have a problem with it, I pretty much always charge every night anyway, with any phone I've owned. Haven't had the folder opening issue, never had a freeze from an app either. This comment you quoted is simply one man's experience/opinion, much like yours or mine.

Loving my EVO, loved my Hero, and if I was interested in the iPhone, I'd probably love it too, but I'm not.
[EVO 4G General] khov07:
To johnnymc: you seem to be the precise type of consumer Apple designs its products for, so it is no wonder you went back to the iPhone. The aspects that you see as strengths in the iPhone limit what the folks here at XDA want to be able to do with the hardware they have purchased.

Fellas, if you've noticed, johnnymc is a new account who has only posted his favor of Apple in an EVO forum...watch the trolls...
[EVO 4G General] mastermayhm:
i hate apple, and to all d-bags that keep quoting steve faggs, "multitasking done right"....was done last year with the pre and webos. ios4's "multitasking" is hardly even multitasking....
[EVO 4G General] ballr4lyf:
I hate to break this to you, but you are an apple fanboy. Seriously, if you only gave the evo 5 days, you didn't give it a fair shake. You gotta realize that going from one platform to another takes some time. In fact, it sounds to me like you were already hesitant to making the change before you did it.

Oh, and as far as the going back to your old ATT unlimited plan... Check your bill cycle date first. I bet you, if it has already cycled, you are going to have to go with the new data plans if you switch back.
[EVO 4G General] mastermayhm:
^ haha haha well worded
[EVO 4G General] svinyard:
I think everyone can agree that all of the iPhones have been very solid pieces of hardware and software. At once they were flashy, now its OS is a bit stale without much customization available.

I have the EVO, I dont have a problem with the battery life but I work from a home office. It does go rather quickly at times but I'm ok with it and haven't had an issue to the least. App store works great, looking forward to cool Gameloft games in the next couple of weeks.

The real deal that no one has brought up is Mac vs Google. When you get one of these phones you are hitching your wagon to one of these companies. Google is flying with this stuff. In less than 2years an infant of an OS is easily in the running if not ahead of MAC. It takes forever for the iPhone stuff to get a new OS and let alone one that has some new a sick functionality. Yes its stable and cute and has good apps, no one can take that from MAC because that is their core competency. (even in the OS market for PC's)

Now the real game changer is that Google has a MASSIVE amount of core competencies that MAC can't even dream of. This is the real deal. In the next 12 months you'll see some insane stuff from Google+Android that mac just wont have...and it will keep coming and coming and coming. Yeah the iPhone 5g will be cool but really, MAC doesn't have the core competencies to leverage in ANWAY like google does. We've seen what mac can do and we love it...now its standard stuff. We've only seen the tip of the iceberg from Google and friends (open-source developers).

Just from a business perspective, Google is the real deal and we all know it and we'll all see it on a 4.3 inch screen.

BTW, holy cow can anyone go back to a regular screen after the EVO? I would be happier with a much crappier device as long as it had the brig screen. It's amazing and really really brings the web to life, which is in my mind the #1 feature of the EVO. You can't read crap on a 3.6inch screen, just doesn't work and the text is smaller or sized weird. No tapping and pinching required.
[EVO 4G General] mastermayhm:
pure wisdom
[EVO 4G General] shaundalglish:
The company is called Apple and the OS is called iOS.

Other than that... you're right entirely. It's not only that Android is ALREADY better (it clearly is) but also that Google is moving A LOT faster than Apple.

And while Apple is still working on basic stuff like folders and multitasking, Google is showing us the future.
[EVO 4G General] thorpe24:
Screen is amazing, but is it wrong to want to go bigger, like dell streak bigger. God that thing looks sexy but I love love love the evo.
[EVO 4G General] liquidkernel:
Excellent post. Unbiased and down to the point. I adore Apple products, I really do. The hardware quality is second to none and they really know how to do it. The OS is polished and pretty; definitely refined. But I also believe that Android and Google will be doing amazing things, which they already are. I agree with you completely: the web on the 4.3" screen is massively impressive.