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[Nexus One General] maxh:
I think you're wrong on this. I have smartphone exclusion on my line (line 1) and have been using a smartphone with the $15 dumbphone data for a few years. I added a second line several months ago (line 2), and it of course did not have smartphone exclusion. I put a dumbphone data plan on it, then switched the sim card into a smartphone. This was before they started doing sweeps. After they started doing sweeps everything was fine until one day I switch line 1's sim card into a dumbphone then back into a smartphone. The next morning, both smartphones got the dreaded notification text, but only line 2 (without smartphone exclusion) had the data plan changed to the smartphone data. Line 1, the one with smartphone exclusion, and also the one doing the sim swapping that triggered the change, still had $15 medianet.

So I ended up porting line 2 to page plus and keeping line 1. I've since had my sim card in 5 smartphones and a dumbphone. The smartphones include a tilt, a fuze, a T-mobile nexus one, and 2 AT&T nexus ones. If they ever do change me I'll just have to go back to buying their most heavily subsidized device and flipping it for a profit. I may also investigate IMEI spoofing, which is NOT illegal here in the U.S.

BTW, to check if you have smartphone exclusion, log onto OLAM, click "Manage Features", then "View all included features" and it'll bring up a list of features where "smartphone exclusion" will show if you have it.
[Nexus One General] resealablepouch:
So my brother (who uses a Motorola Milestone [europe]) will be fine with the $10 family data plan, since that IMEI won't be recognized? :confused:

Also, if Canadian company Telus ends up carrying the HTC Desire, could I get away with using it on the AT&T $10 family data plan?? :p
[Nexus One General] Surin1221:
Smartphone exclusion was put onto lines when the data requirements started.

There is no guarentee you wont be forced to get smartphone data(there was supposedly something that was "if u switch to a smartphone you will be required to get smartphone data" that was on a bill a while back)

Any non at&t phones may require data they may not....you could opt out of data but that's the only way to avoid it.

They don't pay me enough to have access to everything but the N1 is specifically part of devices that requires a smartphone data plan
[Nexus One General] McHale:
Surin, first off, thinks for joining to answer some A&T questions. GREATLY appreciated.

Secondly, do you know how the scans work? Is it looking for specific data plans that people *SHOULDN'T* have and removes it or does it look to see if it has specific plans then adds it?

I've seen a LOT of people with the $10 and $15 plans lose them. But I don't recall anyone with the MediaMax 200 ($20 unlimited data 200 text) or MediaMax Unlimited ($30 unlimited text and data) getting the "convenience".

Thanks...

-Mc
[Nexus One General] Surin1221:
Not 100% sure. I will do some digging and try to find out. As a lowly peon I don't have too much access to the how or why but I will do my best and post what I find.
[Nexus One General] Surin1221:
Did some digging.

At&t has a data usage system that references data connections and registers the IMEI of the phone that connects for data

I will assume they are just going through different markets

And looking at my own account(Shh don't tell) it now shows as a nexus one. Before it said unknown device.

And with the grandfather policy its basically if you do a similar swap to another phone, change smartphones, etc. you supposedly lose your grandfather status

However with the new data plans you don't lose the $30 unlimited grandfather status if you change phones only of you elect to change rate plans.

If you have a dumbphone registered don't be surprised if you get the text either(and I'd suggest getting the $30 unlimited plan while you can not even management will be able to add the $30 feature from what I understand and I asked my manager)
[Nexus One General] Jesse6749:
I know this change does not affect me since I already had the iphone $30 Unlimited data plan. But when I log into my AT&T account it still shows that I have sim card in the iphone and not the N1 and I have been using the N1 for a little over 1 month now. :rolleyes:
[Nexus One General] nxt:
Once AT&T detects you've had your SIM in an iPhone, its permanent, the only way to get that off and "iPhone data plan" NOT on your line is if customer service removes it.

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[Nexus One General] mikef1182:
For those that got an email, did you give AT&T your N1's IMEI number or did you give them a dumb phone IMEI? If you have a dumb phone IMEI on your account you should be ok with the medianet plan or $10 fam data plan for a while.
[Nexus One General] :
Your imei number is given over the network when you connect.
[Nexus One General] mikef1182:
Right it does, but it will take longer for them to catch it if you dont have the N1 IMEI on your account.
[Nexus One General] Surin1221:
Yes but starting Monday you can't get the $30 unlimited data anymore
[Nexus One General] mikef1182:
Oh I know, I was talking about trying to keep the $15 medianet plan witht he N1.
[Nexus One General] Surin1221:
I know but after Monday when they catch it people will be stuck with a capped plan.

I'm all for saving money but I think ya'll are gonna have to bite the bullet and get the $30 unlimited plan while you can especially now that AT&T can identify nexus ones.
[Nexus One General] maxh:
I think I've used over 200 mb once in my life, and just barely, so even if I were to get moved off the $15 medianet plan in the future, I'd prefer a $15 or $25 capped plan to the $30 unlimited. No sense in throwing away perfectly good money.
[Nexus One General] deecee52:
I am in CST zone. I have a premier account, with 5 lines - 1 blackberry, 1 iphone and as far as ATT knows, one HTC Startek - a 2G WM dumbphone. I had $15 medianet plan. I did not use data unless i had to but still managed to use 250 mb each month. Not alot but still more than a full time iphone or blackberry user. All that said...

I got the AT&T love taps yesterday evening.

OLAM says I'm now on the $30 personal PDA and it says it is unlimited data. At this point I will keep it and it better be unlimited. I see the discussion about 5gb being a cap, and honestly I don't think I'll get there, but if I do, I will definitely argue that one.

I still have the startek and could probably get the medianet put back on, but I do think my only option later on would be the capped plans.

Has ATT ever shown any consideration for a 5 year customer - no way. Am I a bit upset about this, especially since it still doesn't include text messaging, which we all know doesn't really cost them anything (not talking about video or mms) - you bet. Am I stuck with AT&T - you bet, reliable though weak coverage in areas with those with verizon and tmob can't even connect and the need to travel internationally. waiting it out for LTE maybe that will force the carriers to really compete.
[Nexus One General] McHale:
Don't feel bad. I've been with them for 15 years. I've only received 1 subsidized phone in all that time and all the rest were paid full price, CASH directly from the manufacturer. I use 200MB a month and about 50 text messages. I had the MediaMax Unlimited plan which was $20 for unlimited Data, 1500 Text, and 200 MMS and one day it was miraculously gone. They gave me my current plan, MediaMax 200 to replace it. Back then there was no smartphone or dumbphone and AT&T themselves encouraged users to have multiple phones to trade SIMS between for features.

If they remove me from my MediaMax 200, I will put a data and text block on my account and cancel data altogether. The only place I don't have WiFi is in my car and if I ever need data for a trip, I'll turn it on for the trip only. The $360 I save per year will be a nice bonus.

Hope AT&T found it worth it.

-Mc
[Nexus One General] resealablepouch:
I buy all my phones outright as well (either straight from manufacturer or unbranded etc). However, I don't understand why you don't buy subsidized phones and just flip them on ebay?? You obviously plan to stick with AT&T so why not take advantage of their "discounts" they are willing to give?

I bought subsidized iphone 3gs for all lines in my family for $199 and sold all of them for $750 eight months ago. Then everyone in the family bought nexus ones or whatever they wanted outright and still had $200+ leftover.

...just sayin :cool:
[Nexus One General] resealablepouch:
Do you know if I purchased a Telus or Rogers (canadian) smartphone that is compatible with AT&T 3G, if they will be able to distinguish my IMEI since it's a phone that is from out of the country? :o
[Nexus One General] McHale:
When you're out of contract, you can call and threaten to leave whenever you want. You get good deals that way *AND* the less idiots on commission toying around in your account the better.

I currently have 1000 minutes for with free N&W and free M2M for $39.99 and so far I have unlimited data with 200 text for an additional $20. I get an 18% discount for work so I'm pretty happy with my plan.

If I buy an iPhone or other desirable smartphone, they change my data plan *AND* may possibly screw with my minute plan.

PASS.

If I wasn't so afraid of losing my plans, I would do exactly what you do. TRUST me.

-Mc
[Nexus One General] Snow_fox:
Why does at&t always feel like its a lose- lose situation?

What happens when dumbphone users use 400 mb a month...

And it is 10$ because they have unlimited txt...

While smart phone users are stuck at 15$ which is more expensive and less bandwidth..
[Nexus One General] Surin1221:
this...

the store reps get commission, they get reviews based on their sales, they are there to sell products....

i take a ton of calls every day.. and i spend about half my day cleaning up after non cor store reps, a quarter of my day cleaning up after cor reps, and then about a quarter of my day actually helping customers get stuff done.

if you need to buy a phone, go to a cor store, if you need anything done, call customer care
[Nexus One General] Snow_fox:
I hate to say this.. But, as a non cor sales associate.. I have never messed up anyone's account and not fixed it immediately..

There is nothing wrong with going to a non cor store.. I know people who have been totally ripped off by cor stores..

My girfriends stepdad had 20$ unlimited texting for himself.. 20$ unlimited texting for my girlfriend... And no one at at&t cared to inform him you can get 30$ and cover both.

ANY store you go to check you contract and see what was added, if there is something that isn't suppose to be make THEM fix it right then and there.

ALL of them operate on sales...ALL of them will try to take you for a ride.

I am speaking as a non cor store saleman.... I never take advantage of people in those manners.. However, I will say that they act pretty disgracefully..
[Nexus One General] denpad2010:
samew here i received the email,then i called customer services and provided dumbphone imei number,so solved,but today i received email again damn....i would accept the 30 datalan but here in my area no 3g and internet speed is a ****!!!!!!!!!!!:mad::confused:

ps. why u paid unlimited text plan if u can download app for that purpose i send unlimited text for free!!!
[Nexus One General] Snow_fox:
I doubt they will work with you.. but, I would definitely call and ask if they can help you and cut you some slack on the lack of 3g and paying full price for a service your not receiving.

I would just point out that you don't have a 3g connection and you paid full price for your device to avoid having an unlimited access fee on a network that is barely usable..

Even better if your not locked into a contract. I don't encourage claiming your going to leave them.. but, you get what I'm saying.
[Nexus One General] denpad2010:
i dont think so...they just want more money,really i am thinking change provider move to tmobile at least they subsidize this phone,but changint to tmobile problably i would sell the n1 and buy the nokia n900 seems more complete phone what u think??????
[Nexus One General] Snow_fox:
As someone who used the n810 and loved it.. I must say I would be hesitant to buy the n900.. it is a good phone.. but, nokia really leaves you to worry about the details..

Nexus one is gunna have a LOT more support long term because the android market is so much bigger.

I would at least *Try* to talk to at&t and see what they say.. I don't care much for t mo personally.. they are definitely different companies..

Trying to negotiate with at&t won't hurt..

With that said.. I want a nexus one but, don't know what to do anymore..
[Nexus One General] denpad2010:
U right about the android market lately Nokia disapoint their fans like me i had the n900 but skipped it because the lack of 1900/850 3g band thanks for ur. Replies
[Nexus One General] Surin1221:
thank you for not being one of those kind of store reps(i know there are good ones out there, but omg...)
[Nexus One General] McHale:
For the record, I'm not saying all AT&T sales associates are thieving crooks. I worked for Cingular a bunch of years back and still have friends that work there. I know MANY MANY MANY honest people that work there. However, there's always one idiot in ANY group (AT&T, Wal-Mart, Arby's, insert business here, etc.). I've heard too many stories of people flipping features and forcing upgrades. I don't want to risk my plans to some kid trying to make $15 bucks.

When the tilt came out, I went to a corp store to buy it for cash and they refused. The manager said it wasn't possible and I *HAD* to buy it on contract. I called customer service while in the store and discussed everything then handed the phone to the idiot who grudgingly gave me the phone. When I demanded it to be unlocked, he again stated it wasn't possible until after 2 years. To this day I'm not sure if he was being difficult or was just stupid.

-Mc
[Nexus One General] Surin1221:
i HIGHLY doubt you'd be able to escalate high enough to actually get a lower data plan...

its part of the TOS when you sim swap that you are required to the the smartphone data plan.

you may be able to get the smartphone exclusion but only if you opt for no data at all.

basically when you have your sim in a smartphone and it registers any data connectivity you are hit up with the smartphone data plan.
[Nexus One General] Snow_fox:
I am not trying to say I am a saint or everyone should trust me..

My biggest issue is that even corp personel are just as bad as non corp.. or can be... and your contract is just like a recipe from walmart.. always check it to make sure the cashier didn't hit "withdrawl" and take 50$ off your card.

Cause from there it is your word vs theirs.

Either way.. I wish I had a feasible choice involving the nexus one now....
[Nexus One General] Surin1221:
the data plan with the N1 is eligible for FAN discount if you have one on your account.

you can always just add the unlimited data before you get it... and cor reps are just as bad, they just have the systems to clean up after themselves a bit easier..

its mainly walmarts and radio shacks that cause the most problems that i deal with... if i could have just one day where i didn't have to hear "my name is joe blow from wal mart" i would probably do a little dance. lol
[Nexus One General] Snow_fox:
I'll make sure to ask for you specifically next time ;p

I won't be getting the phone either way till at least the 23rd if I do..

the problem is.. i was originally gunna take the "unlimited dumbphone data" which doesn't work anymore..

And I don't know if I can afford 30$ a month.. I doubt my parents will pay for 15$ much less 25$ or 30$..

And I don't know if I can afford to pay that them that much...

I also don't want to have a 15$ data plan with 200 mb and then come to the realization that others out there can still get dumpphones using 400 mb of data a month and pay 5$ less getting twice as much as me -.-
[Nexus One General] nxt:
Trust me you won't. EVERYONE on a Nexus One will NOT be able to have the cheap data plans. AT&T knows all the Nexus One IMEI now.
[Nexus One General] Snow_fox:
I'm not worried about nexus one users getting a 10$ data plan

I'm worried about someone on an actual dumbphone will still get "unlimited data"

and use more data cheaper than someone with a smart phone..
[Nexus One General] nxt:
It would be very very very hard for a real dumbphone to use more data than our Nexus One (or similar) smartphones
[Nexus One General] Snow_fox:
I have never had a dumbphone data package so I am not qualified to talk.

However, they don't ever seem to focus on how much data dumbphone's do use....

I've read that heavy dumbphone users can hit 300 mb on a monthly basis..
[Nexus One General] Surin1221:
dumbphones aren't going to suck up the bandwidth tho.

you aren't going to stream video to a dumbphone, you aren't going to stream music to a dumbphone...

people with smartphones usually use more data(i say usually.. my boyfriend uses like 54 mb on his iphone... i don't know why we pay for his data plan...)
[Nexus One General] Snow_fox:
if all he uses is 54 mb..

I may be ok with 200 mb..

The main thing I would need data for is the automatic updates the n1 gets... although I do browse the web pretty heavily..
[Nexus One General] Surin1221:
he doesn't use the web on his phone at all...

he never streams music.. he doesn't have email set up to fetch.. he barely even uses his phone as a phone.. he used less than half our minutes last month...

i used less than a gb last month.. but normally i use about 1.5gb, i stream pandora constantly and i usually watch youtube from my phone... and i browse the web a TON at work...
[Nexus One General] Snow_fox:
as much as it sucks.. I'm probably gunna skip getting the nexus one altogether..

I can't afford the 25$ a month.. and the 15$ seems like it wouldn't be sufficient..

and all of that is too much money when I'm paying 529$ to et the phone in the first place..

I had no issues getting the n1 when You could get the dumb phone data package just becuase, I paid for the phone, at&t didn't "lose" money subsidizing it.. and that is the original reason they added data packages..

These events suck.. time to find a new thing to get when my bday comes around x.x
[Nexus One General] McHale:
With my Touch Pro, I used around 100MB a month (usually less) and I had push email for work and checked 3 separate email accounts every 30 mins. With my Nexus One, I'm around 400MB a month and I don't stream music or videos and rarely browse the web. Apparently a lot of my apps interact with the web a lot for things like weather, sports scores, download apps & updates, news feeds, etc.

-Mc
[Nexus One General] Snow_fox:
Well.. I offically don't know what to do.
[Nexus One General] RogerPodacter:
its only 10 dollars a month more than what you would have been paying.

i currently have 15 dollar unlimited data. the new plan would be 25 for 2gb, which most people dont go over. so you are only paying 10 dollars more for a normal use case user.
[Nexus One General] Snow_fox:
Actually it is 15$ more than what I would have been paying.

With unlimited text the price is 10$ for unlimited data..

I was going to go for that plan.. I could have possibly paid for that.. or convinced my parents to pay it..

However, 15$ for 200 mb is probably not going to be enough..

and 25$ is still more than I can get them to pay.. and I am pretty sure that is out of my current price range between rent, and my other bills plus college..
[Nexus One General] khaytsus:
I bought the Tilt 2 back in October, had the same exact situation... They claimed they could not sell it without "updating" my account status. So I called up customer service, went through several people, finally got to someone who gave me a straight answer and explained to the store employee that they could simply ring it up at the stated price and NOT TOUCH my account.

Would you believe they still tried to offer "making sure I was on the best plans" ?
[Nexus One General] androidaddict23:
Go with sprint and get the evo sprint offer unlimited data unlimited talk and text with the data surcharge of $10 it all comes to about $70.00 month I have a nexus 1 and a T-Mobile client and I pay $120.00 for the same plan

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[Nexus One General] Snow_fox:
@deecee...

It sounds like I should really hop on the unlimited data plan..

Although I don't intend on ever letting up on data usage.. 30$ is too much a month to not get me use out of it..
[Nexus One General] deecee52:
I'm not a lover of ATT, but what we can do with our phones, even in the near term, is only going to increase and of course YMMV, if you can swing it, see what you would use.
[Nexus One General] McHale:
here's my usage summary. See if you can guess when I went from Touch Pro to Nexus One. :) And remember, I ordered the AT&T friendly Nexus One within an hour of it becoming available.

-Mc
[Nexus One General] KnightMAREcrow:
Why do you pay $120, I have the Unlimited loyalty talk, text, and web for $85 per month. Are you on a family plan?

Also a question to you McHale, BFE Illinois = Butt Fuc*** Egypt Illinois?
[Nexus One General] Snow_fox:
It seems like everyone is using more data lately.. I wonder if at&t is somehow getting phones to use more data XD.

It would suck if they forced dumbphones into limited data plans.. after starting to count every bit of data they use..
[Nexus One General] :
Cell phone carriers have been know to work with cell phone makers to make buttons dedicated to web browsing that cannot be changed and are easy to hit. This would incur small one time charges for connection as it would connect instantly and it would take the user a few seconds to back out of the screen.

This was a few years ago, where a few KB of data would amount to a dollar or two.
[Nexus One General] Snow_fox:
I was really more referring to the fact that my gf seems to have used more data recently and looking around the web, I see a lot of people saying they are using more data over all..

Not much over 2 gigs yet.. but, I won't be surprised if after the 7th we see a huge amount of 5 gig users coming out and complaining.
[Nexus One General] McHale:
Yup. It's our county seat. :)

-Mc
[Nexus One General] MENDEH:
the question is, if they catch you in a sweep after tomorrow using the $10 or $15 plan, will they bump you to a $30 unlimited or to the $25 datapro?
[Nexus One General] attn1:
after TODAY it will not be the $30.00 unlimited plan.
[Nexus One General] MENDEH:
i guess at&t is actually doing people a favor sweeping today and not next weekend. if you are gonna get bumped up anyway, its better to at least still have the option of unlimited data.
[Nexus One General] Blueman101:
no no, you dont understand, there is not unlimited plan for data on AT&T anymore.
[Nexus One General] attn1:
Up until close of business today, there was.

New plans go into effect tomorrow, with no option for unlimited data. If you are on a $30.00 smart phone plan before then, you can keep it.
[Nexus One General] Blueman101:
right (10char)
[Nexus One General] lgkahn:
anyone want to buy an att n1 with extra batteries or a good deal.. i refuse to pay 30 per month for a plan when the only way i get good coverage at home or work is with microcells.. i went back to using my samsung i8910.. i will look at getting an android with europe 3g frequencies since they work good enough with edge and occasional 3g on 1900 band.. and keep my 10 unlimited data plan.
[Nexus One General] MENDEH:
thats what im saying.

sweep today = bumped to $30 unlimited

sweep after today = bumped to $25 2GB plan

at&t bumped me to the $30 plan a while ago but if you are on a $10 or $15 unlimited and get swept after today you will no longer have the option of unlimited data (presumably).
[Nexus One General] Blueman101:
i believe there is a "for sale" forum on this somewhere, cheers and good luck
[Nexus One General] RogerPodacter:
that's the wildcard that nobody knows. i havent been switched, still on 15 dollar plan. and i decided to not make any changes before tomorrow. if they sweep my account after tomorrow i'm screwed with the new plans.