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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] BASSMANBOB:
Bounty?

Im the OP of this entire thread and I kinda got the ball going (I contacted NetRipper and had him help us out!) but as we have seen, iwfratz has come out with an amazing overclocking application that blows NetRippers out of the water! (Sorry NetRipper! I only report the news!) So here is what I am proposing... Those who wish to name iwfratz as the victor in the battle of the overclockers and the recipient of the bounty please put " iwfratz" (and nothing else) in your next post. Once we have 20 or more people who agree that iwfratz deserves the bounty then i will post him as the victor on the first post and everyone will need to pay up!:D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] mech_supernova:
i vote iwfratz
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] IMissPalmOS:
Iwfratz FTW!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] buru898:
Yeah... iwfratz for sure.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] Doo Doo:
i got sod during a phone call so it's not 100% sorry to report this
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] talon4x4:
iwfratz

Love the program. So simple!!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] talon4x4:
Love the analogy!! 1 question though, what do you have your "interval" set to?? Do you leave it at 1000?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] robseargeant:
So did I when I was being a rascal and running at 806. Hasn't happened in 2 days of 787. It may be the first sign you area a step too high?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] Doo Doo:
no i didn't have it set to high i had it set to what my stable speed is which is 729mhz

how can i uninstall this completely off my phone without using sk tools?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] IMissPalmOS:
Slow down... just because your CPU doesn't crash (lock up) instantly doesn't mean that it will work reliably at a given clock speed. In fact, if your CPU crashes immediately at clock speed X, then your "safe" speed is likely to be at least 10% (not 10 MHz) less than that.

I would try again at least a notch or 2 lower than whatever speed you were running when you SOD'd.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] morbidj:
I agree....
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] Doo Doo:
no i don't think so when i was using netripper's app i was running at 729mhz with no sod's so don't try to tell me that

can someone please tell me how to completely remove this app off my phone without using sk tools or hard resetting because i am going back to netripper's app
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] IMissPalmOS:
No, I have mine set to "0", along with all other settings except "CPU max" of course.

The "interval" setting defines how often the driver computers how much "load" the CPU is under, so it can adjust its speed up or down as needed. If set too high (lets say 9000ms), the driver won't react to CPU load changes fast enough. For example, your phone is sitting doing nothing, and therefore running at the lowest CPU speed. Then, you pick up your phone and start pressing buttons. It would take up to 9 seconds before the driver "realized" that the CPU needed to be speeded up because there was now work to be done. Conversely, if the interval is set too low, the driver itself can start consuming too much horsepower just checking the CPU load all the time.

The optimal setting depends on the other min/max settings and your personal tolerance for "lag" while the CPU adjust up and down. This is why iwfratz lets us customize each variable; so you can tune your phone exactly the way you like it. Note that oruam57 has written a nice program posted in this thread that interacts with OCT and gives you even more control over exactly how it operates.

When running full speed all the time, checking the CPU load at any interval would be pointless. It would be harmless, other than wasting a few clock cycles, but still not necessary to check at all. That is why I set mine to 0.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] IMissPalmOS:
Elsewhere in this thread are details of exactly what is changed during the install and instruction to manually remove the program.

I can tell you're frustrated, but I'd like to know if you completely removed netrippers application (and all the associated scripts, registry setting, etc.) before trying OCT?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] Doo Doo:
yes i did remove all of netripper's stuff before installing oct

im good now i managed to uninstall oct now going back to netripper's app where there is no sod's

also there should be no bounty as of yet because iwfratz app is not 100%
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] iwfratz:
independent of your OCT-settings windows mobile power manager will underclock and halt your cpu when suspending.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] Doo Doo:
how can it underclock if the # of steps is set to 0 that means it's running constantly at whatever speed you chose im asking if when your phone is put to sleep does that mean it's still being overclocked

and just so you know i got an sod during a phone call using your app can you explain why?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] skooter2:
Sorry to pop your bubble........

But this is FAR from ready!!

After using netrippers and oruam57's for five days w/ no problems at 729mhz I decided to remove them and try this one, bad decision!

All seemed okay till the phone went to sleep on its timeout then SOD

Had to pull the battery to restart, wouldn restart with the soft reset button.

then when I tried to remove it I run into having to BUY?? SK tools to get this off my phone?????????

NOT EVEN CLOSE TO WINNING ANY BOUNTY YET!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] IMissPalmOS:
Ok, so now there has been two people to have an SOD with OCT, and both of them had it happen after "removing" the netripper packages... Packages that make system changes specifically to prevent SOD when running netrippers app...

Hmmmm, could there be a pattern here? I'm off to do some testing :-)

Is there anyone here that previously had netrippers stuff on their phone, and now are using OCT, and are NOT having any SOD problems?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] robseargeant:
I have never used Netripper's and now have had my second SOD. Both on hang ups after calls. Some calls work OK. This Only seems to be 1.5 since I used 1.4 since release with no issues.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] IMissPalmOS:
Same clock speed while using both 1.4 and 1.5?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] buru898:
What kind of phone do you have? iwfratz is pretty much complete actually. I would say it only works, FOR SURE, on GSM Touch Pro2's and maybe he fixed the issue with it on Sprint Touch Pro2's also but it's perfect, stable as ****, and running verious benchmarks prove it.

If you were smart you'd put the program in your sd card and put a shortcut of it in your startup, or even not put anything in your startup folder, mess with the settings in the gui, and see if it's stable for a whole day atleast before making it auto start.

Not his fault, you should be more careful.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] Doo Doo:
my phone is a gsm phone i have a at&t tilt 2 & had sod during phone calls so no this app is not 100% done yet
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] buru898:
Ah, hmm well guess it's best run on T-Mobile Touch Pro2's? Or it's a ROM issue or something else maybe?

Well guess people should stick to Netripper's + scripts until less people say it's messing up their phones? If it messes up my phone then I'll be switching back to Netripper's as well.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] Doo Doo:
check out this guys post he even has a tilt 2 but said it only happened to him on 1.5 not 1.4 idk :confused: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=7672723&postcount=435

does anybody happen to have v1.4 that i could test for myself just to see
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] oruam57:
Today with V1.5 I had some phone "freezing" (not SOD) during heavy CPU load. It is difficult to say because it might be due to too high a clock but it never happened with V1.4.1 (at the same clock).

Tomorrow I'll revert to V1.4.1 and try to stress the phone.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] mech_supernova:
I have an ATT Tilt 2 I am overclocked to 768mhz and stable with no SOD since I installed it yesterday, I wish I had a few more phones to try it out on but for me its working perfectly.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] morbidj:
I am also booting up at 768mhz, o polling interval, and 0# of steps.. Phone is smooth as butter... Running Energy ROM 8/13 dinik glass on verzion TP2 Cricket carrier.

IMO the application is fine and still blame user error or improper settings as the culprit of device issues. Lower your clock speed for starters.

@ Dev. Thank you sir for such a fine program!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] robseargeant:
While even politely being called a knucklehead is not entertaining.....

I will continue to do some testing. I was just confirming the problem is not from left over Netripper files. What settings would give me the same ramp up/down dynamic as in 1.4? I will try that next in my elimination process.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] prboy1969:
Had several issues while using this app . SODs and freeze at lower speed 710Mhz vs 729Mhz . 0 polling interval, and 0# of steps :( . I had done a clear storage before switching to this app . So I'm not sure if these issues have anything to do with NetRippers app .

Same hear . Call lasted about 2min. , hang up and SOD . Happened on two other calls . Switched back to NetRippers and SetCpuSpeed ( ALL IS GREAT AGAIN :D ) .

Agreed . Was using NetRippers and SetCpuSpeed.10d for well over a week with no SODs or other issues . Decided to try this and :confused: SODs and freezing . Plus now I have to do another hard reset to remove . WTF :mad: . Not completely ready yet . Kudos for a great app that is well on it's way . Close I believe , but not quite done .
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] simplydat:
New thread?

iwfratz, is it possible for you to start your own thread? It's very difficult to keep track of your work unless going through all the posts each day. I was having hard time finding you to donate as well.

Thanks
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] talon4x4:
I just installed this morning and haven't had an issue. I'm running the latest Energy Dinik Glass ROM with the 94 radio. I have all options set to 0 with a speed of 748.8. I can't believe how great this thing runs. Its nearly as smooth as my fiance's IPhone. For the couple of people that are saying this isn't 100% ready because they are having issues. That's like saying every single app out there works perfectly on every single phone. Guess what, THEY DON'T!! Hell, my phone would lock up and require a soft reset before I started running iwfratz' app.

Here are some SKTools Benchmarks --

Stock	-	729.4	Mhz -	748.8 Mhz

Integer:	332	-	463	-	474

Floating Point:	7.7	-	10.6	-	10.9

RAM Access:	523	-	664	-	676

Draw Bitmaps:	835	-	1027	-	1071

Main Storage (write):	2362	-	2429	-	2563

Main Storage (Read):	5356	-	6495	-	7511

Storage Card (write):	614	-	813	-	851

Storage Card (read):	605	-	835	-	846

File List:	3495	-	3976	-	4093

FL Storage Card:	2869	-	3580	-	3850

SKTools Load:	2288	-	4857	-	5669
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] prboy1969:
Was just posting my experience and opinion . Plus , everyone knows opinions are like buttholes , everyone has them and most of them stink . Like you said :
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] IMissPalmOS:
I still can't get it to "break" on my phone unless I (try to) run it at over 800...

Another thought is that perhaps the SOD problems are caused by dynamic changes to the CPU speed while the phone application is running.

Is there anyone who:

1) Did a hard reset before installing OCT and/or never previously installed netrippers app.

and

2) Is running OCT at a constant speed (all zeros, no dynamic switching).

and

3) HAS experienced a SOD, particularly while using the phone application?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] thx1200:
What is the progress on getting this to work with Sprint TP2? Any update? I'll admit i haven't checked every post in this thread, but it's so long, it's tiring to try. lol.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] cmd512:
Phone screen just froze on me after a call after running OCT v1.5 all day. First freeze, but any freeze/SOD is no bueno!

(Settings were 729 OC with 1 stepping, 10/10 as the auto OC. Don't have SOD issues at 729 with the other OC tool with proper scripts in place.)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] oruam57:
Sprite Backup does not like OCT, how I solved it.

I use religiosly Sprite Backup (V6.5.5.11) to mantain an uptodate backup of my phone. Therefore, I was quite upset when I found that after installing OCT Sprite Backup was no more able to do its work! Moreover, stopping OCT was not enough to restore Sprite Backup working.

After many soft resets I found a working procedure to execute a backup with Sprite Backup:

1 - Go to directory \Windows\Startup and remove the link to OCT_RUN.exe, do not delete it but move it somewhere else, you will need it later.

2 - Go to registry key HKLM\Drivers\Builtin\OCT, find the Flags value (it should be 0), set it to 4 (it meas manual loading).

3 - Soft reset, after that OCT does not run and it is not loaded (do not use OCT_GUI to check, it would load OCT again).

4 - Run Sprite Backup and start the backup operation, wait until completed.

5 - Go to registry key HKLM\Drivers\Builtin\OCT, find the Flags value and set it to 0 again.

6 - Got to directory \Windows\Startup and restore the link to OCT_RUN.exe

7 - Soft reset, after that OCT is running as before.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] fil--21:
hi there im using xperia and it's constantly freezes ,even on the lovest speeds like 614 mhz ...any suggestions ?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] lovingHDTV:
I run it on my Sprint TP2.

dave
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] deeznuts:
Weird ev eryones phone is freezing. Im also using the latest v1.5 on my att tilt2 with NRG's latest rom with pagepool set to 16mb. I have it set at 691mhz through the gui system and leave the rest default. I notice sometimes my phone is a bit quicker then before and sometimes its a bit slower or sometimes very slow then before. Any way to make this work consistent and not work like a roller coaster? Maybe a setting in the gui i can change in version 1.5? Thanks
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] monomer888:
I'm new to this app, but have made a few observations.

Your reports of inconsistent responsiveness when you use the app may be because of the dynamic speed function. It essentially dials down the processor to a lower speed when the CPU load is low - but as posted earlier in the thread, it needs to know when to ramp the CPU speed back up at the right time.

To get a more consistent response, you'd probably need to either:

a) decrease the interval rate (it defaults to checking every 1000ms) or

b) increase the minimum CPU speed it dials down to, or

c) don't use dynamic speeds

Taking each in turn:

a) Decreasing interval rate will probably consume more CPU cycles, but setting it to 100 or 200ms might be give you the response you need.

b) You can increase the minimum speed so it doesn't sit at such a low speed that you notice how sluggish it is. You do this by lowering the '# steps' figure. At a value of '1', the minimum speed becomes half the overclock speed (so for example, running a max of 710Mhz, it will only dial down to 355Mhz when idle).

c) If you like living in the fast lane, you can run at overclock permanently and set interval rate to zero. This turns off dynamic speed adjustment (and polling for CPU load) and sets the speed at one setting, and some in the thread have reported no problems with this.

Personally, I prefer option (b), because I don't like using up CPU cycles to check its own load too much, and based on the power consumption tests posted earlier in the thread, underclocking doesn't give significant enough returns on reducing battery usage so why underclock so far that the system lags? You could always combine (a) and (b) if you want, but basically it's adjusting the settings until you find one you like. :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] deeznuts:
Thanks bro, seriously took the time and answered any questions i had, thank you! Ill probably try option B then C and see what works better for me. I want speed baby, lol. If i fry the system att will always replace my device so why not? Thanks again and will post back my results after trying out these methods.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] wspaw:
I've been using v1.5 for two days @ 768 with 0 steps and interval 0. One freeze while using Deluxe Moon and no SODs. No discernible decrease in battery life (although there must be some).
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] 3x4d:
Connect phone to computer and try while connected ....?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] Maxx134:
what was the polling interval?

what are your settings?

In my post:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=7685304&postcount=1415

I said:

ok I think I am guessing why you had issue on iwfratz app...If you used EDIT: very low polling (interval)...

On a call the phone is working the CPU "load" vastly differently moment-by-moment.

If you have the polling set to at or near zero, it is asking the OCT app to work overtime to check the "state" (load) of the proccessor, not the speed!

Thus it will want to track and autoscale the CPU according to load, instantly on a "real time" basis, if you set the delay (EDIT) very low!

The setting prob should not go lower than 500 (.5sec)

EDIT: woops I just read the readme and zero polling interval disables cpu load calculation and dynamic stepping...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] Maxx134:
where did you stop it? In the GUI it doesn't unload the driver.

Instead of making reg edits, did you try clicking on "OCT_Stop" in OverClockTool" folder ?

It is there to stop OC and unload the driver..
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] oruam57:
That is the obvious solution... that does not work.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] lovingHDTV:
I had a freeze today. I changed the max speed to 710Mhz and the steps to 0. I left everything else the same.

The phone had gone to sleep (screen off) and I hit the power button to check the time and sense was hung. I hit the window hard key, that took me to the start menu, but I could not get back to sense home screen. This is my "typical" hang. I can do things on the start menu, but cannot get back to the home screen.

I hit reset from the start menu and it all came back up and working. I have this issue eventually on all the ROM images I have flashed, with either OC program and any OC clock rate. I don't have this problem if I'm not OCing.

This is the life of a OCer. It happens when you push the system to do things it was not designed to do.

Overall I'm quite happy.

Edit: OK I don't think my freezes are caused by OCing. I have had issues all night tonight for some reason. I even reflashed and am having issues. Sense is hanging when I come back from a sleep. Not sure what is happening as this is new behavior.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] Maxx134:
Although I only had this same problem at my highest overclock, I would suggest to set the #steps" at least to 1 so it can autoscale and try that.

I am curous to know if that indirectly helps Sense from crashing.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] robseargeant:
I have had my thirst SOD now after a hang up with all kinds of different settings. Anyone have a link to OCT 1.4.1 so I can revert until figured out?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] p51d007:
Here ya go...I never throw anything away :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] wmg316:
I have run this two days now; at first I used the default settings (the ones you posted above)....and with the "dynamic" clocking, I experienced the freezes.

From reading other posts, I decided to disable the "dynamic" clocking and tried these settings:

CPU MAX: 710.4 Mhz

# Steps: 0

load max: 0

load min: 0

jump max: 0

jump min: 0

I ran this for a day with no freezes/SODs

I am now running:

CPU MAX: 672.0 Mhz

# Steps: 0

load max: 0

load min: 0

jump max: 0

jump min: 0

The 672.0 may be a bit slower per SK Tools benchmark, but my eye can't notice that speed difference...actually...my eye does see that running at 672.0 instead of 710.4 is a bit smoother in places (sometimes a little jerky here and there at 710.4).

But without the "dynamic" clocking, I have not encountered a freeze or SOD.

672.0 Mhz is 27% overclocking the CPU. That is really a nice increase. Pushing this device up to 35% overclocking worked...but IMO it pushes this little device more than it wants to be pushed.

I am happy with the increase in speed that I am seeing (on NRGZ28's ROM where I set the Page Pool to 14 to get more RAM)...it works best for me.

EDIT:

After subsequent posts to this post, I believe I no longer have any fears of "frying" my device. I now run these settings on NRGZ28's ROM:

CPU MAX: 729.6 Mhz

# Steps: 0

load max: 0

load min: 0

jump max: 0

jump min: 0

I've run these settings for a week now with ZERO freezes and ZERO SOD's
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] Alcibiade:
Ridiculous... You probably have left some scripts fro netRippers app

What i can tell is I, like many others, had issues with NitRipper's app, and don't have any SOD with iwfratz's
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] Alcibiade:
Yes me. I ave absoluetly no issue with iwfratz's pp while I had regular SOD with NetRipper. The thing is I was not using any script with NetRipper's app. And If I had to make a bet I'd say these two guys probably didn't remove properly their scripts... (Given how difficult it seems for them to uninstall iwfratz's app I think I am correct to assume that)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] Alcibiade:
Hard reset your phone and try again iwfratz's application
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] Alcibiade:
You overclock your phone too far. What Sprite backup is juts stress too much your phone for your overclock level. try with a lower clock speed....
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] oruam57:
It would be better if people gave advice after some actual testing. No one used Sprite Backup with active overclock.

Sprite Backup fails (at list on my phone) after OCT_STOP when the phone IS NO MORE OVERCLOCKED (clock is verifiably at 528 MHz) and even after a soft reset with the startup link to OCT_RUN removed.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] Raul^:
Same here, thought that it was OCT problem but apparently not.

I have Sprint version with stock rom.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] bons:
Static on 768

Same here! Almost two days now on 768mhz (0 steps, 0 interval), no freezes, only speed!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] cmd512:
Guys, let's not make grand sweeping accusations/assumptions. Here was my 1st and only SOD encounter with OCT v1.5:

1) Installed on a brand new fresh ROM flash from NRG. (See ROM details below.) So no, Netripper's app and scripts were

NOT

installed previously.

2) Settings were set as follows:

Stepping: 1 (Only speeds are 729 & 729/2)

Interval: Set to default 1000ms

Jump/Stepping low & high set to: 10/10 (I don't care for the OC/2 slow speed unless under 10% CPU load, which is essentially when phone is completely idle.)

These settings were perfect in that I always used the phone at OC speeds when the phone was actually in use. Otherwise, it idled at a nice and low 729/2. However, the SOD came right after a call about 7 hours after installing OCT... screen came back on after the call, but the entire phone froze.

So, let's keep this discussion on track in an effort to improve further on iwfratz's tool. Love the auto-throttle feature and have every intention of trying the next release, but let's get real, people ARE reporting legit SODs.

My suggestion to iwfratz that would probably fix this issue completely given almost all SODs reported so far have to do with phone calls:

1) Have an option to force throttle the phone to 528 during any phone calls (that overrides the OC and OC/2, /3, /4, etc CPU-usage based stepping behavior).

2) Provide a phone call timeout interval of how long after a phone call ends before boosting phone back to OC speeds.