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[Nexus One General] fnordelus:
DO NOT GET THE EVO (if you already have a Nexus One) :)

I just got the EVO and it just does not compare to the Nexus one.

I rarely every open up new threads, but I just don't want to see anyone jump ship based off the "specs".

I have several smart phones. I've tried to dethrone my nexus one with: HD2, EVO 4G, iPhone 3GS (I'm about to run out of money lol). And none of which give you the experience the Nexus One does.

Biggest Issues:

The LCD screen makes the colors look washed out (blacks seem like grays, and reds seem pinker) compared to the N1 with it's AMOLED

Sense slows the device down noticeably (and you can't turn sense off don't believe the hype)

The N1 makes the EVO seem clunky: The EVO gets slightly thicker/fatter as it get near the camera

Pixel Density! The EVO and the N1 has the same amount of pixels but because the N1 screen is smaller things end up being more crisp! especially noticeable with live Wall papers! :(

You can't use default Android messaging, nor can you use default Android Contacts. HTC contact (IMHO) is really ugly, opinions aside its freaking slow!

Track Ball! Man! I did not know how useful that thing was until now! lol. It (to me) is the most efficient solution for selecting text, without fumbling around with directional pads on the virtual keyboard, especially annoying if you have something like Swype (swype is awesome btw, there's now way I'm doing away with that).

I'm sorry guys I don't mean to rant and I DON'T regret my purchase. I'm going to try and load froyo on there and see if that fixes most the issues, but HTC SHOULD have given us a way to shut off Sense!

I'll admit I have to do some more testing, but the N1 has the lead right now. I'll try really hard to get some videos and pictures up.

I have not doubt this great community that I've been a part of for years will address most of these issues but's it's going to be a bumpy ride :)

If anyone has these two devices, let me know how you feel.

Thanks for reading this. :)
[Nexus One General] temperbad:
Turn sense off by going to settings. Applications. Find htc sense and force close it... I saw it on a video or something. Yes sense can be shut off.

It don't have anything I want I love my n1. The Evo don't beat it imo.
[Nexus One General] fnordelus:
your'e wrong

Actually sir, you CAN'T.
[Nexus One General] britoso:
With froyo (no sense) it will be closer to the N1, only things I like about the evo is the screen size (not so much anymore) and the camera.

...except "largest", "newest", and "best known" :D
[Nexus One General] temperbad:
Actually yes you can. Atleast here's proof.

http://www.gadgetsdna.com/turn-off-sense-ui-in-htc-evo-4g-run-stock-android-2-1/3142/
[Nexus One General] Orangeandblue302:
Its a good choice for someone who likes Sprint and I am glad that they finally got a highend superphone. It was long overdue for the poor people that Love Sprint service (its great in my area) but have had to suffer for crappy phones all these years.

That being said I can see ditching my Nexi and my Even More Plus plan to sign a contract for basically the same phone. Nexi takes the cake with its super fast updates.
[Nexus One General] fnordelus:
I was under the same impression, but you can only turn off the "Sense Home" watch that video closely, look at the bar up-top (htc themed), not to mention I followed the instructions to the T and I tried to develop my own strategy. No luck ;)
[Nexus One General] temperbad:
Well ill take ya word on it since I don't have one. But that's what I saw. No biggie long live the nexus one.
[Nexus One General] fnordelus:
Actually no you can't

Read the text in the video you linked. I'll quote it: "Let's be clear, this is for the home screen only. Other parts of the phone still run sense"

4 seconds into the video that disclaimer was recently added (lower right had corner in blue box).
[Nexus One General] fnordelus:
Long live the nexus one!

Long live the Nexus One!
[Nexus One General] fnordelus:
I beg to differ

I actually give the edge to the nexus one reason is: Number 1 and Number 4 in my post:

The LCD screen makes the colors look washed out (blacks seem like grays, and reds seem pinker) compared to the N1 with it's AMOLED

Pixel Density! The EVO and the N1 has the same amount of pixels but because the N1 screen is smaller things end up being more crisp! especially noticeable with live Wall papers!
[Nexus One General] ChillRays:
I just hope someday that there will be a "mini usb to HDMI out" cord. I believe I said that right. I'd love to have the N1 appear on the tv screen. Anyway, I order my N1 this monday, I can't wait. :)
[Nexus One General] deeren:
I had the desire before swapping + cash for a nexus one. Same thing there. each time u stopped the htc sense and cleared the defaults, the minute u press home, htc sense reloaded itself. The reason for not being able to stop sense is that htc actually removed the android launcher. all u have to do is install a launcher , go and stop the htc sense in settings-app-..... and then press home and select the launcher u installed.

or u can just install a launcher, and then install home switcher from market.
[Nexus One General] temperbad:
I didn't even see that ****. Yea long live the nexus. Lol
[Nexus One General] zippa71385:
HUH? LOL sorry im not up on slang or internet lingo:confused:
[Nexus One General] deprecate:
http://www.acronymfinder.com/In-My-Honest-Opinion-(IMHO).html
[Nexus One General] air2k57:
Just got me Evo, and I have Nexus one still. Well, I agree with OP when it comes to washed out colors, etc. BUT, that complaint can only be made if you have Nexus, this phone still blows everything else out of the water, aside from Nexus. I really liked HD2, minus the WinMo, so EVO really caught my eye lol.

I am still on T-Mobile, got Evo because I can still return and get out of contract with Sprint within 30 days... T-Mobile + Nexus = **** in my area... I get great 3G speeds (1.5mb down/400up) which is higher than what Sprint gets me, but it's so inconsistent. Constant 3g timeouts, takes ages to load pages because of it. Constant need to reboot due to texts not going out (tried all radios). Calls not coming through, list goes on. Having a great phone with all these issues is a killer to me, specially when I'd like to have data with me since I listen to Pandora in my car.

Anyways, this rant is mostly about Tmobile and Nexus combo, so for me the switch was justifiable, but phone to phone, I would still give the crown to Nexus.
[Nexus One General] Wisefire:
I looked at the Evo in Best Buy today, the colors on screen are definitely lacking, as well as the pixel issue. Everything seemed stretched to it's limit.

I'm sticking with my N1, I love it to much.
[Nexus One General] RogerPodacter:
I just went to the sprint store and played with the evo and was much more impressed then I thought I would be with its build quality. It felt very solid and I love the smooth back of the device. But I now 100% hate sense UI without a doubt. The phone was slower and laggy and this phone is brand new so its not bogged down yet.
[Nexus One General] jblazea50:
damn, maybe i can convince my family to stick to current provider (ATT); we are planning on switching to Sprint because we can get 2x minutes, everyone (4 lines) gets data for about the same amount we are paying at ATT (iphone data only)

coverage isn't a issue since i'm in the dc/metro area

EDIT: never was a fan of Sense UI; had installed Paul's sense rom on my N1 and had to chance to normal android launcher; to me, sense has too much going on and i don't need all of that stuff
[Nexus One General] fnordelus:
Neon lights

Same here dude! I loved what sense did to WM, absolutely love it. But I ABSOLUTELY HATE what they did to android (after having a the vanilla android phone). I honestly thought I was able to turn Sense off, but you cant. The HTC messaging and contact app sucks monkey balls lol. Seriously. I'm still doing a comparison of the two devices and, to me, the N1 is way ahead.

No offense to anyone, but I think the people who like the sense UI over vanilla android are the same kind of people who like neon lights around their license plates. lol (no offense to anyone with neon lights around their license plates)
[Nexus One General] xManMythLegend:
Sense sucks.

The contacts are abysmal.

People will most likely wont know the difference but IMO so many are missing out on the great google features sense covers up.
[Nexus One General] fnordelus:
couldn't have put it better myself.
[Nexus One General] jz9833:
This line and the story about how a woman is claiming she got fired for looking too good made my day.

I have never liked sense for android. The speed of it is something you maybe could adjust to (but why?), but I hated the look of the bulky launcher buttons at the bottom.

The EVO does have 2 things I am jelous of

1) The Kickstand (how awesome is that, but I'm going to laugh when it doesnt work after 6 months or so)

2) 4G. Obvious reasons.
[Nexus One General] soundwave9999:
$10/mo for Evo

i was told by a sprint rep that they will charge $10/mo for carrying the Evo. so to put it in prespective this is how much its going to be at the end of the month: $69.99/all unlimited + $29.99/wifi hot spot (optional) + $10-$15/fees & taxes + $10/cuz u have an Evo...so grand total is $120-$125... I know that this post is about phone to phone but if im going to pay that much for limited availability, then ill stick to my N1... :D

**LONG LIVE NEXUS ONE**
[Nexus One General] copualt3:
It's good to know i am not a lonestar trying out the evo. I currently have the nexus 1, tmobile hd2 and just ordered the evo, also i drive an evo X so ...

nexus one - web browsing is not comofrtable to me(size) 3g issues

hd2 - windows is laggy

i hope the evo will solve both of my problems.
[Nexus One General] RogerPodacter:
Honestly the 4g I'm not sold yet. People are reporting speed test results so similar to current hsdpa that it doesn't seem to be worth it, especially with the huge battery drain it brings over current 3g. And this is when the 4g network is empty. What happens when tons of devices hit it?

People are reporting 4mbps on average, and over in the ATT forum at hofo are pulling down 5mbps in some places! And that's only with 7.2mbps running. Wait till 21mbps goes online, then what's the point?
[Nexus One General] jz9833:
4G speeds are not meant to be that much faster than 3G, but it's meant to handle large amount of users much better than 3G. It is pretty annoying to see how unstable 3G really is, especially when trying to watch a youtube video or have to sit and wait for a website to start loading again.

4G is supposed to solve those problems, not give a big speed boost. At least that was my understanding of it. I could be wrong
[Nexus One General] rjhay22:
Whaaaaa? I thought you had one??? Or I musta mistaken you for someone else?

On topic: Nexus FTW! LOL.
[Nexus One General] mykenyc:
i think its something about the nexus that cannot be replaced right now. It's like having that old sweet cute girl who just always made you happy, rather then you have the girl next door who is a model but is groggy/stuck up.
[Nexus One General] Jack_R1:
It depends on what you call "4G". Both WiMAX (current network being rolled out) and LTE (future implementation of 3G - 3GPP rev 8, completely different from WiMAX and being an extension of UMTS, much like HSDPA, scheduled to first roll out at the end of the year) have higher speeds than HSDPA. WiMAX doesn't offer significant boost (40 Mbps vs current 14.4 Mbps), LTE is a HUGE boost (>100 Mbps), but isn't available yet. Plus, HSPA+ is also going for increased bandwidth in the near future, peaking at 84Mbps (according to Wiki), overtaking WiMAX speeds.

Here's a breakout on Wiki. Please note that both WiMAX and LTE speeds are according to current implementations and meaning fixed points - mobile speeds drop significantly, being around 1/3 of fixed point speeds.
[Nexus One General] 51b8f7d9f56e53:
The only thing going for Sense IMO is its live wallpaper.
[Nexus One General] ChillRays:
If you read my sig, i've never had one =(

but soon I will =)
[Nexus One General] britoso:
hehe yes I read your post the fist time.
[Nexus One General] friend'scatdied:
That's called color accuracy.
[Nexus One General] :
You cant do that either the launcher2 was removed from htc roms with sense.
[Nexus One General] archboy69:
What is the point of this posting?

Played with the EVO and it is a pretty kicking phone and the kitchen sink with it. With the eventual update with 2.2 it will be a pretty fast phone. I think sense makes android usable to the mainstream public who are non-techy and easy. The only set back it that it takes longer to update rather than stock android.

Would I get this phone if I wasn't still on TMO with my N1....hell yeah. Not that I don't love my N1.
[Nexus One General] Eclair~:
The Evo has an LCD screen? Wow, I thought I knew enough.. that hasn't exactly been mentioned a lot it seems.
[Nexus One General] bobdude5:
just got my evo 4g i love it!..so responsive and you can see the screen PERFECTLY in sunlight its wonderful..and the camera is stunning ..its such a sleek device..oh and the speaker..wow it is sooooooo clear and loud.
[Nexus One General] fnordelus:
Wow we must have bought two different phones...want to trade :) ?, my Evo feels like plastic, the UI was sluggish, this sounds crazy I know but i can see slightly better in the sun on my N1, but the speaker is loud and really really clear on the evo. And 3G (in my area) is WAY FASTER, WAY MORE CONSISTENT on the EVO. Close fight but N1 wins by split decision.

evo is still awesome
[Nexus One General] fnordelus:
Also the camera is marginally better on the evo, but HTC album application SUCKS! It makes me want to not look at the pictures, mms is joke with sense UI, it looks like the album on a hacked WM 5.0 device lol. Why didn't they just use the brilliant default android album viewer!?!? Lol
[Nexus One General] maxawesome:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/04/nexus-one-gets-usb-host-driver-from-a-dude-with-an-oscilloscope/

Check out this article. The dude uses a usb-to-DVI adapter to connect the N1 to a computer monitor. I don't see why you couldn't then use the usb-to-DVI, coupled with a DVI-to-HDMI adapter to port the video out to your TV....just wouldn't have audio through the TV. :S

That's easily solved with an analog to digital adapter for the headphone jack and plugging it into your audio receiver, or a cheap set of speakers directly.
[Nexus One General] TheMan42:
AT&T from what I recall is only going 14.4Mbps, T-Mobile is doing 21Mbps by year end
[Nexus One General] OrganizedFellow:
:)

Too Fast & Too Furious, hahaha.

That is what I am looking forward THE MOST this year. I'm not looking forward to newer, faster, better phones. JUST FASTER CONNECTIVITY! :)
[Nexus One General] attn1:
The Nexus One needs that kickstand so you can use it to jab an eye out in a barfight when some little beyotch tries to take it from you.
[Nexus One General] attn1:
HDMI isn't just a plug. To work, it needs to support HDCP, which every HD component from video source to display now has to support to play protected media. I think it a hardware support requirement. Blame Microsoft for that little gem. It's why Apple and Linux aren't playing blue ray, and it sucks.
[Nexus One General] obnockshus1:
just so you know, on the evo you can go to settings then applications and on the sense program you can clear defaults and it will give you the option of what launcher to use and you can set sense as the default or the stock launcher as the default if you choose to. i still love my nexus one!
[Nexus One General] attn1:
Doesn't matter. HSPDA speeds are already way beyond what either company's backhaul capabilties will be. Even if they improve backhaul to support those speeds, where is there to go at that speed? Current 3g speeds aren't the gate. It's like putting a Ferrari on Jeep trail. Sure, the car will do 200MPH. But not on the trail it's got to follow.
[Nexus One General] miketlo:
It doesnt matter out N1's cant exceed 7.2mbs anyways :(
[Nexus One General] SBS_:
Which is just about as fast a speed that the hardware can handle, so it doesn't really matter heh
[Nexus One General] happyppn:
Oh come on !

I don't think there would be big differnt between 4mbps or 21mbps or ... on the mobile phones .

beside i think you expecting too much !

i don't have access to 4mbps on my home ADSL ! ( i've got 2Mbps )

ps : I use EDGE (236.8 kbit/s @ max) internet on my Nexus one & i think it's enough for me !
[Nexus One General] bigmout:
Wow... seems like I dodged a bullet going with the N1 over the Desire and EVO. This information about Sense should really be more widespread. Almost every review I read repeated the myth that turning off Sense was easy.
[Nexus One General] jsun21:
Especially since the desire is supposedly hard to root and easy to brick.

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[Nexus One General] fnordelus:
Actually

Actually, you can't turn it off, seeing as there is no way to access the default android messaging android album, android telephone, and android contact apps, so even if you uninstall the stupid Sense crap you wont have an alternative. Lame.....
[Nexus One General] Jack Everyman:
Of course if it is that important to use the Vanilla rom one could just installed a custom rom, which will probably be available in the next week or so.
[Nexus One General] air2k57:
Thing about Evo that is something everybody should consider it for, is it's security....

Seriously people, think about it. You have a $500 Nexus one and you have somebody trying to steal it from you... What are you gonna do? That thing is pretty light and will probably break on impact with attackers face without doing much damage.

Evo, on the other hand, is bigger, very solid build, and is very heavy. You can literally knock somebody out with it...
[Nexus One General] ChillRays:
Seriously the EVO is a really nice phone.. but what sucks is that all the fees that sprint charges you for using it (or its features). 30 dollars a month for tethering, 10 dollars a month just for using an EVO.. and more... what a joke..
[Nexus One General] Orangeandblue302:
Really...you need to stop hanging out wherever you are. Either that or get some muscle on ya, i sure hope your phone isnt your first line of defense..:rolleyes:

edit-seeing that you were speaking about the EVO's "security" have a look here http://grack.com/blog/2010/06/03/htc-evo-4g-nice-hardware-horrible-sprint-software/ not bashing the evo, just evo trolls...
[Nexus One General] serialtoon:
After a whole day of looking for the damn device in store, i finally found a "live" demo of one. Even though the screen is larger, it doesn't necessarily help it out much. Same resolution just makes it....meh in my book. Not to say it isnt "HOT" just that its not worth jumping ship from Nexus to the Evo IMO. But if i was still rocking my G1 and was out of contract, i would def hit up the Evo.
[Nexus One General] bigmout:
Yes, hence my comment that I dodged a bullet, and that the information you provided should be more widespread.
[Nexus One General] kamasi36:
Why do you need to go faster than 7.2? Anything greater than 2.0 is good for me to do what I need to do.
[Nexus One General] dsixda:
I think he was joking..
[Nexus One General] OrganizedFellow:
Nope, nope. I clearly detected that as sarcasm.
[Nexus One General] dsixda:
Yes, you're right ;)
[Nexus One General] SpyderMS:
HDCP 'only' comes into play if you're trying to view copy protected content. In that case, the device you're playing the content from, and the device you're playing the content to, would have to support HDCP. If you're just trying to watch YouTube, or movies you recorded using the N1's camera, no HDCP support is necessary. Most BluRay's released in the first year or two didn't even include HDCP, so they can be watched on devices without HDCP support as well. I've never seen an HDMI cable that says whether it does or doesn't support HDCP, so either they all do support it, or it's not something that is necessary for the cable, only the devices that are sending/receiving the signal.
[Nexus One General] SilentMobius:
Correct.

Incorrect, it is the content-sender (I.E. the phone in this case) that requests HDCP. It is perfectly possible to send HDMI (which is just DVI with audio) without the content sender requesting HDCP, easy way to check is to plug the EVO into a HDMI->DVI adapter and plug it into a non-hdcp monitor.

*EDIT* SpyderMS beat me to it :)
[Nexus One General] attn1:
My point was that in order to transmit copy protected HD signals, a device needs to include HDCP. With digital copies of popular movies containing DRM widely available, it's only a matter of time before it's available for HD capable mobile devices. That's going to require HDCP, and just getting the phone to connect to a HDMI port isn't going to cut it.
[Nexus One General] clickwir:
While on the topic of differences between phones and what we'd like to see...

I'd love to be able to output what's on my N1 screen directly to a TV or Monitor of some sort. Be it through a doc or just an adapter. Being able to use my N1 to play videos either streamed or stored would be amazing. ** The N1 may not be hardware capable of this (besides that guy that got USB host working, but that was a different framebuffer, I want the exact same thing I see on my N1 screen... on the big screen) **

-----And extension of being able to output to a TV or PC monitor would be to hook up a keyboard and mouse. I'd love to use the N1 (or a smartphone) as my mobile desktop that I can just plug into a docking station and use it. Officially supported, I see this as a few years off, but do-able.

I'd also love to see FM transmission. Having that feature on my Garmin comes in VERY handy when I'm in someone else's car that doesn't have an AUX input. I'd love to stream Pandora in someone elses car that doesn't have AUX or bluetooth in their car but still wants to listen to streaming music through the cars speakers.

Lastly, and what I see as the least likely to be implemented is Sirius/XM tuner built into the phone. I envision being able to pair my phone with the Bluetooth in my car, get GPS navigation directions and XM radio all through my phone so that the audio is seamless. When there are "Turn at 1st street in 1 mile" type directions, it interrupts my XM and then goes back to XM when the navigation directions are done. Great for getting programming that Sirius/XM has that I cannot get just via streaming AND for when I have poor-to-no coverage from T-Mobile.

I love my N1 any way you slice it. But I don't want to stop the innovation and the ideas of where and how this amazing device can be used.

PS... didn't Motorola just announce a micro-projector they are aiming at smartphones/netbooks? :-) I'm just saying...
[Nexus One General] schahr01:
I'm all for the N1 too :D but only 95% there - I love the form factor and hackability but I absolutely hate using it outdoors. If only super AMOLEDs were common place when the N1 was designed. My 2 cents...