yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Nexus One General] :
Again, just because there are ****ty providers out there doesn't negate the need for a revenue stream for developers.

You keep saying "should not be allowed" by who? These are ecosystems built around making money off the consumer. The only person who can effect change is the consumer by not a)using ****ty carriers b)paying for apps with stuff you don't want.

You are not being forced into anything.

(we're you one of the people defending at&t's recent data changes with "who actually uses more than 2gb of data a month"?

"Things that make you go hmmm..."

This ad stuff has been know since april. At&t knew these things would be implemented. They chose to nickel and dime their customers with hopes of pulling overage charges fro things like streaming content.
[Nexus One General] attn1:
Who does use more than 2gb a month? It's not a ton, comparatively, but most people don't currently use half that.

The developers have already received their revenue if it's a paid app. I don't think any app delivery system should allow a paid app to carry advertising. Since Google controls Android Market and Apple Controls their store - that's the who.

Android market is better, because you can easily uninstall a market app and get your money refunded. Not so with the Apple store.

Yes, I think people should pay for the data they use so that it's more fair for everyone. But then you should not bundle additional data requirements in applications that don't need it to function.

And while I do think a small percentage of people abuse unlimited data, it represents a major impact on costs for everyone else. And although I agree with tiered data plans, I don't think AT&T's is fair. They need to allow more data at a lower price point.

If you don't agree with me or with the idea of tiered data, that's fine but tiered data is a reality and it's not a reality just for AT&T.
[Nexus One General] sousafrui:
I only see jealousy . Just wait and go through you better choice and don't be a child. You know you made the right choice. So what's a few weeks or even months to get mobile flash for instance. At apple, even with w hard date there will be no flash. WAIT!!!
[Nexus One General] attn1:
You see nothing; I already have Froyo and Flash.

Feel free to come back and disagree once you've gained an understanding of the issue, because you've missed it completely.
[Nexus One General] rj3005:
IMO it´s better to say in a few weeks than missing a hard date. Look at the Droid users reactions after Moto didn´t got 2.1 out on the date they gave. (or even worse the Milestone users, first with 2.0.1 and then 2.1).

A developer myself I hate giving concrete dates for large projects..and if I have to give a date I typically calculate the date by doubling the estimated time. (and then I still miss the deadline sometimes)

BTW: we are still well within the definition of few

"2. adjective a few some, though not many: not very many people or things, but more than two, and sometimes more than might be expected"

Source: http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_1861611170/few.html
[Nexus One General] arkavat:
some updates from google

http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/android/thread?fid=488da0ef21660d130004889242e162b0&hl=en

looks like there are some more "next few weeks"
[Nexus One General] Mokurex:
Ouch. T___T
[Nexus One General] attn1:
It's better yet to have your act together enough to be ready with a real plan and a firm date when you announce a product, and then actually do what you say. That's how most real businesses have to behave in order to survive. Google has been around long enough and has enough resources to do a much better job.

A "few" is too ambiguous. Once it reaches a month "a few weeks" is misleading. Google would have been better off just saying "we don't know when we will be ready" and "this is what we're working on, but it's not done" instead of - hey, we're just getting ready to release "within a few weeks", then creating chaos with something that looked like a 2.2 OTA update going to some, but not others with NO warning or explanation, and then "It's not the official version" on a message board. As Google I/O was going on, the SDK was released. How the hell can they promise a release of a few weeks on their device when their partners haven't had ten minutes to see what impact the SDK would bring? That is about as unprofessional as it gets.

This is not just about users being anxious for new features. Google's products don't live in a vacuum - Google has a market full of business partners that need release schedules and adequate time with new tools to prepare their products to work with what's coming. They have corporations trying to integrate Google products into their businesses that need to evaluate the suitability of what's coming and prepare. You just don't dump out a product on a fuzzy time line.

This is just the latest product release in a series of many that's been absolutely, 100% botched because of poor planning, poor execution and even poorer public relations. Yes, their products are amazingly good, this issue isn't about that. I love Google products and I admire and support them in their goals, but I am not drinking the Google cool-aide that so many do that make it impossible to see that they have vast room for improvement in the way they interact and do business with others.

This problem is about a bunch of engineers and their managers with diarrhea of the mouth that have no clue about what impact what they say has on a cottage industry around them. It's bad, and they desperately need some controls.

Google just needs to STFU about any future releases until they hire someone who knows how to deal with this stuff.
[Nexus One General] :
The android nerd circle does not reflect the outside world dude. There is no "chaos" going around about android, only that 2.2 is close to being released.

Nerd Rage®
[Nexus One General] attn1:
Lets see, for the first half of 2010 alone, here's the short list:

Failed Verizon Nexus One release

Failed Sprint Nexus One release

Failed Android device marketing plan

Their batting average is pretty abysmal. I said botched delivery because of poor planning, poor execution and even poorer public relations, and that's resulted in at least a little mayhem about Android, dude.

Ostrich Vision®
[Nexus One General] :
There are like four people as exacerbated as you come off.

There has never been a specific date set for 2.2. At the

developers

conference they were told in a few weeks.

Android has no set roadmap, and I'm ecstatic for that. Fixed dates leads to cut features.
[Nexus One General] MrCDWJR:
does anyone know when the carriers will eventually sale the nexus since theyre closing the store? the reason im asking is maybe theyre rolling it out when they start selling through a carrier. just a thought though so please dont flame.

i find it more exciting that its not a set date because its more of a surprise and it gives me something to look forward too. either way im happy with what i have now and i can wait longer if need be.
[Nexus One General] attn1:
Yes, that's right. The

"developers"

conference that anyone fast enough with a buck could buy their way into, the

"developers"

conference that was broadcast live to the world on YouTube. The Google counterpart to the Apple Worldwide

Developers

Conference that had an agenda, a beta release and a release date for iOS 4.

Bull. Then how and when you do decide to leave the next feature out? A feature lagging behind can easily go into the next release. It's not like you have to buy release numbers. Oh wait, there's no roadmap, so why worry about what's missing at all? I am not saying Google should release 2.2 before it's ready. I am saying they should manage themselves so that when they do make a release, they do it in an orderly fashion people can plan around.

Four? Really? Gee, what a rebel I must be.

Here's the truth of the obvious bug up your ass: It has far less to do with this topic and far more to do with me.
[Nexus One General] Blueman101:
i suggest we get back on topic as this seems to be turning into a flame war, yes?
[Nexus One General] Jack_R1:
Excuse me, there is a topic in this thread? I must have missed it... It's a flaming thread pointed towards Google, that turned into a flaming thread between user(s).
[Nexus One General] AndroidPerson:
If Google's principle competition goes by hard release dates why can't google? I love andriod but there's alot I wish android would learn from apple, there's no shame in that, only in ignoring methods that are successful
[Nexus One General] attn1:
Sure. It's been like this since page one.

Okay, so anything critical of anything Google is flaming now? Yeah, there is a topic. Feel free to discuss it without further flaming, if you can.

There is discussion of the topic.

That is also discussion of the topic.
[Nexus One General] :
I have a bug up my ass? lol that's news to me. When I said "no set roadmap" I mean in terms of "regular updates every X months". Of course they have goals and deadlines, but the nature of an open source code is such that there is no determinate "end". Hell, they might decide today to pull up the USB host mode into aosp and delay it a few more weeks, that'd be something for the best(obviousy that won't happen lol).

Also you seem to be rolling AOSP code and Nexus update into one event. While it's true that google is working on both simultaneously, it doesn't mean the will hit simultaneously. The AOSP code could be published today, but it doesn't mean the specific device updates for the nexus will be out at the same time. The AOSP code is maintained by google, but it's a collaboration of MANY companies.

You don't seem to have an understanding of the AOSP to be honest, and you seem caught up in a "give me give me" mode.

Comparing Apple's roadmap to AOSP's is beyond preposterous. Apple knows a year in advance what will be and won't be in the next product/software iteration which is why are so "reliable" in terms of updates. AOSP on the other hand, well anything goes.

I'm not speaking from conjecture either, I'm pretty much just repeating what the android team spoke during the I/O. If you haven't watch the I/O Talks that are posted on youtube.
[Nexus One General] attn1:
Well, maybe I should have said apparent bug and not obvious bug.

I could care less when Google releases an OTA for Android 2.2 for the Nexus One. And yes, I understand the difference between AOSP code and the OTA release for the Nexus One. I am not in "give me" mode, because I won't run the actual OTA update for a second. I am fine with what I am running, and I doubt there will be much difference between FRF50 and whatever comes down the pike OTA. When it comes, I am sure I will end up using some iteration of it if and when I see a benefit.

I made an observation about how Google does things in contrast to Apple and suggested that they could take a lesson, however unpopular, and defended it. Because of that, I've been flamed from page one.

I just don't think that because a product is based on open source that it is fine to abandon proper planning, release management and neglect business relationships, consumer confidence and your reputation. IMO, as good as Google is at innovation, Google sucks at those things. Where the source code comes from is irrelevant if your products are built with some kind of control, and you can implement control without giving up innovation.

You obviously disagree, and that's okay, but implying that I am in "give me" mode, that I am "exacerbated" or any number of other personal remarks lends nothing to your argument and make it appear as if you are more interested in goading me than in staying topical. I love a good argument, and I see you do too, so at least we have that in common.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] roozbeh:
Is it possible to use iptables to reroute all internet traffic of device to a proxy?

I mean I connect to internet via wifi, and use iptables to redirect all traffic to a proxy in my network?

Thanks
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jejer:
search cmwrap on market
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shorty79:
Hello,

my Name is Chris and i am from Germany.

My english is realy por but i hope i can explain wahts happen.

I buy a second-hand Xperia X1. Everything works fine. I found a not original Rom Version but it dosent care. The Phone works fine. I try the Headphone Connector to check out the Sound Quality. I was very suprised, the Sound was great. Ok, i connect the Phone with a Logitech 2.1 Sound System and enjoy the Music. After a few minutes, the X1 need to charge. I connect the Charger with the Phone and then :eek:, the Sound is cut off. I hear only a gentle, rasping sound. It dosen't care i use the 2.1 or the Headphones.

The internal Speaker and a Bluetooth Headset works. Only the Jack dont work.

I think, the Amplifier for the Jack is broken.

Wath can i do ? :confused:

I have no ordinary MP3-Player :(
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shorty79:
Have someone Pictures from the Amplifier Device or the Area around the Headphone Jack?
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zoxxperia:
Did you use original charger?
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shorty79:
Yes, i do.
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mymailx:
I'm sorry my English isn't good too since English is not my primary language.

Do you mean the jack inside photo? If so, maybe this:
[HD2 General] Meiyo:
So Iphone 4 has just been announced , it looks pretty neat.

Do you think it's a HD2 Killer?

Will you be getting it?
[HD2 General] nobnut:
1. No

2. No
[HD2 General] xavierdemon:
Maybe and no but then again a glass of water can kill any HD2 lol.

If anything I wasn't that impressed with the information released for the iPhone 4, I'm not saying it doesn't look like a good improvement on previous iPhones but I'm not going to quickly ditch my HD2 for it. I'd still prefer to have an EVO but I know that will never happen :(.

Saying that though, my HD2 is awesome it continually manages to amaze me everyday and thanks to crazy developers here on XDA there's always something new just round the corner for me to try.

In fact my HD2 is the best HD2, everyone elses is just a imitation of my brilliant one, you poor people lol :).
[HD2 General] marmar82:
I wasn't really impressed with the specs on the iphone 4... Apple really didn't do anything ground breaking with it. Screen size is still the same... But honestly I guess that's why I love my HD2... The screen and the camera... In all fairness thought the OG iphone set the precedent a while ago and other phone manufacturers use that as their benchmark.
[HD2 General] buzz killington:
Why in the world would I want a phone with a tiny 3.5" screen?
[HD2 General] RedDevils88:
i wonder how much RAM are there in the iPhone 4. the design looks weird for an apple product and i don't like the name at all! the screen resolution is crazy for a 3.5" phone. have they made it at least 3.8 " then it would be great. just cannot go back to a 3.5" screen anymore. and I wonder how does the multitasking work.
[HD2 General] kilrah:
Screen too small indeed. Stupid, such a resolution is too fine be put to use on 3.5".

Same but designed as the HD2, same screen size and thin border, yes. They still haven't understood...
[HD2 General] de Wolfe:
One word: NO!
[HD2 General] juwan de leon:
It depends on the user, if you like doing more tweaks and learning more fun on your phone then hd2 is your phone. You cannot do on iphone what you can do on hd2.:):)
[HD2 General] hazard99:
I wasnt overly impressed by anything but the fact that you could edit your vidoes via the phone. I suppose any phone could do that but apple always does such a great job of software intergration that its hard to over look.

The book reader app I thought was alittle silly. Specially when thats one of the main points of getting An Ipad. But i guess thats built into the os so not much we can do about that.

lastly I thought that having video chat was cool(even tho evo did it first in the us)but I couldnt get over the fact that it was just via wifi. I would have rather had the option to use it via 3g . Im sure that people will jailbreak it but with the new pricing plans for data who will want to .

Personally I think the data plan change over shadows this release. In places where wifi is readily accessible It guess it wont matter much.
[HD2 General] Xp3RiM3nT:
you are talking about that toyphone thing I see people playing with. I guess I might buy it for my kids if I ever have any. For now there isn't anything better can the hd2 with an awesome winmo custom ROM.
[HD2 General] RedDevils88:
you forgot to mention the latest release of CHT! cookie hometab 1.8 is just awesome! :D
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
what a jerk phone hd2 rules ,even better than evo fake 4g
[HD2 General] Demon_man:
same crap different case:p
[HD2 General] rp-x1:
Check out the video here:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/10259552.stm

It should make your mind up.
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
looooooooooooool :D:D:D
[HD2 General] Kalavere:
1Ghz A4 CPU and 512Mbs RAM? I think not.

In the grand scheme of things HTC are looking at stuffing a 1.5Ghz dual core into some of it's up and coming phones, so I can't see the iPhone 4 competing with that.

And I've never seen anyone bang on about video calls so much in my life, it's a five year old technology!

Oh and the 'redesigned iPhone' heading from that BBC link says it all, same ****, different case.
[HD2 General] lonelykatana:
Dont mean to sound rude but

You asking us if a brand new phone (doesnt matter who its made by) is going to kill of a phone thats half a year old?

Are you joking?
[HD2 General] NeoGreendawg:
Apple fans will love it.... People who believe all the hype will think that it's the first phone with video conferencing... The rest of us will love to hate it...

More people will end up with an iPhone 4 than an HTC device but I like it that way personally.
[HD2 General] Kalavere:
Well said. :p
[HD2 General] :
I agree I like the fact my phone is better than the latest piece of junk Apple will release and most folk don't even no what my phone is :p
[HD2 General] Xp3RiM3nT:
you are right I did forget about that, but isnt it awesome that CHT is so good that it just feels so natural that we do actually forget its even there? One of the greatest way of defining wether a piece of software is good or not is to see whther people just use it intuitively or have to conscienciously use it. CHT is great because people dont even realise its there.

I really pity the fact that there are so many people beleive that the iphone and to a lesser extent android phones are the "first" at doing things.

Its a real shame that advertising and (previously) carrier modified roms code quality was so poor that winmo got such a bad rep.

Unfortunately even with some of the awesome code provided by forum members and winmo developers these days and also the awesome developments in the sense/touchflo/manila UI for winmo, I feel it is a bit too late since they will always be in the shadow of the latest "new and unheard of" feature supported by the iPhone and andorid device, that winmo has had for years (copy and paste for example ;))
[HD2 General] tictac0566:
The iPhone 4 is certainly a nice device. It´s still bound to iTunes, Apple censorship, and a fruity price tag. Even though not my cup of tea, I wish more companies would build devices with such good design - optics, ergonomics, and haptic. It´s interesting to see that the competition still gives so much room to Apple.

In the sum, HD2 will be outsold by the iPhone 4G dozens of times.

Maybe Android will keep gaining ground, or WP7 - we´ll see.
[HD2 General] DD9200:
Good joke.

iPhone 4 is a brilliant update if you have a 3GS or something but it the OS really lets it down and it'll never be as 'powerful' as a HD2 or something on Android.
[HD2 General] littlebigkid:
hahaha , thanks , you made my day.
[HD2 General] Xp3RiM3nT:
seriously, what useful feature does the iphone bring to the table that has not been or is not currently available on an equivalent win mo device?

I had a win mo device in 2004 with more functionality than the current iphone.
[HD2 General] Thegovernor:
id use an iphone4 for a backup device....lol, thats what my 2g iphone is used for
[HD2 General] EndoSurf:
You could serve them a steaming pile of turd, as long as its called iTurd, and it has revolutionary corn! And they will still love it :P
[HD2 General] s21s20:
Goodbye HD2 and hello iphone 4G where everything just works....My macbook pro will be happy!!
[HD2 General] elburna:
Yeah the few features you have with the iPhone might work but... the ton of features you DONT have on the iPhone wont work as well :D
[HD2 General] Xp3RiM3nT:
I will say apple products do just work, unfortunately it doesnt take much effort to do nothing practical so well yeah go go people, get the only electronics product that "just works"
[HD2 General] np231:
NO

There is a reason I use windows phone. iPhone looks pretty good to be honest but HD2 has a lot to offer to me and I find the apple OS really boring. The lack of professional apps doesn't really bother me as I don't really play games on my phone so HD2 does everything I want.
[HD2 General] kayroccs:
ok to be honest looking at the iphone 4g i if its a life n death situation i would buy the iphone 3gs over this but then theres a reason i have the hd2 n i would definitely buy the nokia n8 over the iphone 4g any day..
[HD2 General] ioioiioiio:
iphone is more like what it is, jux take and use it the way they design and hd2 is more design the way i want to use..
[HD2 General] eenbox:
screen of 3.5" is way to behind the competitors - reason why apple keeps it small is to ensure iPad is still selling... that's all... other than that I do not want to downsize as iPhone 4G offers as much customizations as my OLD OLD OLD MPX220 had :) ... IT GOT MULTI-TASKING, OOO MMM GGG... give me a break...
[HD2 General] bobbified:
Not if your normal sim card doesn't fit into the iTurd's micro sim slot!

Idiots at Apple are even trying to force the world into changing their sim cards! I hope they fail miserably!
[HD2 General] 11calcal:
soz bored already of ifuck4-glass front and back does look sweet but I've never had a phone as gud as my hd2.

people need to grow a new back instead of being spineless sheep following a company who want to dominate the industry.

they've only released this cos win7 round the corner and ****tin pants that's why they've thrown a couple of features on it everyone has been asking 4
[HD2 General] snekoza:
Not anymore...

...because I dont think Apple's OS can offer me that much flexibility to work with my phone as tool, toy, portable media etc. That is why I switched years ago from SE P900 to HTC Wizard, then Raphael, Blackstone and now the excellent piece - HD2.
[HD2 General] megaman 2:
How about it works...have any of you used an iphone? Stop hating so much. I love windows mobile and I pull for them but come on every 3 months were talking about the next phone that is gonna be so much better than the iphone - because the iphone is the benchmark. Jailbreak an iphone and tell me what you cant do on it.

How many freezes and resets will it take?

Now that they have multitasking and HD video - you find something else to sh*t on...really? I hate apple f*gs as much as anyone else but this thread is turning into a wimo f*g convention.

Now that microsoft has finally gotten a clue and is coming out with WP7 everybody hates on it for being like apple...whatever. Its fun to hate on apple amongst the clueless, but in here be a bit more honest with everybody and pray with me that microsoft follows in apple's footsteps haha :P
[HD2 General] veda_sticks:
the iphone screen despite still being 3.5inch is actually higher resolution than any current device. 960x640. Thats higher than the hd2s res. But can you really tell the difference on such a small display??

the new iphone does actually look pretty smart, and with my experience of the hd2 id rather have an iphone. ive not been through 1 days where ive not had a problem of some sort. and the fact yoiu can do task 29 from linux is getting under my skin!