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[Nexus One General] AtoZ0to9:
my phone was stolen so i removed the $30plan a few weeks ago because i would just add it back once ive gotten another one.... i tried to add it back today because i will have a nexus one soon, and they said, 'we cant add it now because you dont have another smart phone yet, you can still get the $30 plan after the changes when you get your smartphone'.... att tryin to swindle me you think?
[Nexus One General] galaxys:
I'm glad I'm with Tmobile. This is exactly the kind of rip off stuff at&t pulled on me a few years ago. I left them & never looked back!
[Nexus One General] jacka$$1:
Yes...methinks. Don't do it man! Avoid these CSRs at all costs and just get yourself an unlocked phone. You get to keep a device that will most likely be better than most of what AT&T currently offers, and you get to keep a grandfathered plan.
[Nexus One General] :
Until your contract runs out, and then they can turn your service off or switch up to the next plan.
[Nexus One General] subramanianv:
I never bothered to check or calculate my data usage. Today, I found this data usage calculator from AT&T website. http://www.att.com/standalone/data-calculator/index.html

200 MB limit seems to be too tight for a normal smartphone user.

Pandora for 10 min a day per month -> goes 140 MB

Youtube for 1 min a day per month -> goes 60 MB

Only if you use it as a blackberry for emails and tweets you can stick to the 200 MB limit.

I wonder how many normal users (in their perspective) are going to end up paying overage charges.
[Nexus One General] PacoL250:
Now I was wondering, do any of these new including messaging like the original $30/month plan did?

That is a key question here. If there is no sort of messaging involved, then these plans are automatically worse than the original $30/month plan.

I understand AT&T's logic in some aspects; honestly we here on the forums are really not the general public that these rules apply to. Which I guess, screws us over. Regardless, the caps are bit lower than I would have liked. Why not 500 MB for DataPlus and say 3 GB for DataPro? Sure those are arbitrary, but having the slightly higher caps are like nice security blankets.

Won't matter for me as I'm not on contract and added the $15/month unlimted over a month ago. Now if they realize what I am using, then well, poo on them. I am only willing to pay $25/month if there's some messaging involved.
[Nexus One General] britoso:
Provided you dont use a phone that they consider to be a smartphone.
[Nexus One General] flarbear:
How are they gouging the other 98% by charging them less for data?

If you believe their statistics then 98% of their customers will be perfectly happy on the Pro plan which is $5 less than the current unlimited plan.

Or, even better, 65 percent of their customers would be perfectly happy on the Plus plan which is half the price of their current unlimited plan.

98% of their customers will save either a little or a lot on the new plans - they won't be gouged.

The only customers who wouldn't be "as happy" are the 2% that use more than 2GB/month and those customers can keep their current $30 unlimited plan. (Modulo tethering which is the carrot they are using to get people to switch to the new plans.) I'm sure that AT&T would be just as happy if the 2% moved to another service over this issue and the remaining 98% who are paying less than they ever were are then happier with the less congested network to boot.
[Nexus One General] xManMythLegend:
If you believe that 98% of smartphone users on ANY network use 200mb or less theres a bridge in brooklyn id love to sell you.

That 15$ for 200 mb rate is akin to Netflix charging you 10$ for one dvd a year and 2 hours of streaming.

Its a money grab for a ****ty network that may very well be losing its only positive. Whether it happens or not doesnt sway my opinion on the ****ty offering. I do however think ATT exclusivity is over either this month or end of year. ATT is money grabbing while it can. I cant fathom that Apple would make such a stupid mistake as to keep iPhone exclusive to ATT anymore.
[Nexus One General] stuff:
If they try to force me to drop my unlimited (I don't plan on it) then I will use it as grounds to leave without paying any ETF's.

Anyway, last month I did 1.6GBs. I didn't even try really. Just some Pandora usage while at the Gym (that was only probably 15 days worth) and some regular app downloading and internet browsing. I could easily breach the 2GB limit. So I'll stick with my unlimited.

P.S. for $30/month I get unlimited text messaging and unlimited web browsing. So what they want to do is knock me down to $25/month for 2GB (I will beat 250MB so easily) and then tack on another $10/month for SMS? no ty.
[Nexus One General] xManMythLegend:
This is ATT wireless. They have no interest in providing security blankets. They are setting up data traps. Theyve been talking about this for months. ATT is a notoriously hideous wireless provider. Tmo get nagged because of coverage..Sprint because of atrocious customer care..VZ because of pricing...ATT has been dicking over customers in every category since the late 90s.

Without iPhone exclusivity they would have been exposed long ago.

BTW I do not have any sympathy for data whores. People who tether and use it as there main source of internet screw up the network for everyone else. Even worse when these people stream video or DL torrents all day.

But the numbers are clear. They are not the ones being targeted..its the massive "middle class" of smartphone users who will get the sticker shock the next few months after being duped by a sales person touting the cheap 15$ plan.
[Nexus One General] xManMythLegend:
ATT CEO threatens legal action if emailed with further complaints.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/...that-emailing-the-ceo-will-result-in-a-cease/
[Nexus One General] AvengerBB:
The statistic was that 98% of users use less than 2GB a month, for which they are charging $25 now instead of $30.
[Nexus One General] jacka$$1:
This is too funny. Where exactly are you getting that fact? I'm out of contract and hogging close to 10GB on the $10 data plan for months on an unlocked N1. No switcheroo or texts. Not worried one bit.
[Nexus One General] worker1:
Why would they charge more for tethering?
[Nexus One General] khaytsus:
UNLESS you let a CSR fiddle with the account.. And I've heard of this being changed without consent. Can you sometimes get it reverted? Yeah. But in some cases the code no longer exists in the system to input so they CAN'T change it back, such as the really old MEdiaNet Unlimited (data and SMS) for $15.

Also, if you upgrade your phone at AT&T (subsidized) they have clearly stated that your data plans WILL be "upgraded" since around August of last year, I suspect it's also the same when this goes into effect.
[Nexus One General] jettrue:
Tmobile is awesome, has the best customer service, and actually in my area, has the best coverage. But I know it's hit or miss. Go to cellreception.com to get real user ratings on coverage at your zip code.

Anyhoo, re: the ATT thing, if I were on ATT, I'd be happy, as I average less than 200 a month. SO I could save $$$.
[Nexus One General] :
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=694126

This is At&t, you will be switched over. These plans were just announced in the last two days, the transition won't be instantaneous.
[Nexus One General] PacoL250:
So like I mentioned in another thread, I got the dreaded text telling me about the switch from $15/month to $30/month.

Except they freakin' switched me over to a $30/month smartphone plan WITHOUT any sort of messaging.

Time to call 'em an ***** and moan.
[Nexus One General] PacoL250:
Cease and desist my foot. He's just being a baby not wanting to deal with the issues at hand. :mad:

How's about WE ALL e-mail him complaints. After all, we do have a right to complain about crappy service his company provides.
[Nexus One General] DarkDvr:
No, that was said to me when I bought HTC Touch Pro2 from them, the best PDA AT&T currently sell.
[Nexus One General] attn1:
Google Voice. Free SMS messaging, but no MMS. Data use would amount to almost nothing.
[Nexus One General] disgustip8ted:
I find it interesting that a lot of the articles that people have been posting of their data usage are on around 300mb a month on average with some users at 1gb. The interesting part is that I vaguely recall something I read about att saying the iphones pulling so much data is why their network is slow.
[Nexus One General] PacoL250:
I have noticed and read that as well.

I guess those who had the $30/month plan and weren't coming close to even 2 GB should be happy that they're at least saving $5 on their bill nowadays.

It's the $15/month plan that's insulting, honestly. From a pure business sense, definitely helpful for AT&T, but screws the customers. 200 MB a month is only useful for those who use their phones for just social networking, e-mail, browsing and the rare video and music streaming. This works perfectly for the "smart messaging" phones AT&T carries (e.g. Samsung Solstice, LG Xenon, Samsung Impression, possibly the Motorola Backflip, etc.).

However it really screws the smart phone users who say don't even come close to using even 1 GB of data, let alone even say 500 or 600 MB of data.

Honestly, at this point, I should use my data plan a lot more seeing as I honestly didn't use it to it's potential. Granted I have been upped to the $30/month smartphone plan with what I think has a 5 GB limit, so I might just downgrade to DataPro just save $5 (honestly, I never come close to 1 GB a month), but we'll see.
[Nexus One General] :
The "fair" thing for At&t would have been to change the "messaging phone" plan to a 1GB data plan(that both smart and "messaging" phones can jump on), leave it at $15, and leave the unlimited at $30.

That would have saved money for current people on smart phones that don't use alot of data, given a little extra data to messaging phone users, and left heavy users at the same rate.

Win for all.
[Nexus One General] McHale:
which is not what they were shooting for.
[Nexus One General] :
I know, At&t likes the idea of being douches.
[Nexus One General] attn1:
Right idea, I do think they need to retain an unlimited data plan, but I don't think you can leave heavy data users at the same rate.

They could simplify greatly with a choice between two plans including an unlimited for smartphone and feature phone alike:

$15.00 - 1 gb and $10.00 per additional gigabyte after that.

- or -

Unlimited data - $75.00

There should never be another charge for tethering.

There is no reason to expect low data users to continue to subsidize the use of heavier data users. People are using $30.00 unlimited data plans for hotspots, replacing cable modems and DSL as their only source of data. This can easily result in well over 100 GB of data use - and it happens more frequently than you might think. When $30.00 unlimited data plans were made available, it was never intended for that kind of data use. Running torrents, watching Hulu and Netflix, living on Youtube HD - people doing these things can easily use 200 times more data than the average guy.

The trouble is that unlimited data today means lot more data consumption than it used to. The glory days are over - until wireless data gets a lot cheaper. Verizon announced plans to do something similar (capped plans) last month - for later this year when they roll out their new data services. Sprint has increased it's data plan on 4g capable phones to help pay for 4g - even though most people aren't going to see it for a while. Things are changing.

Personally, I'd be happier than a pig in **** if I could get a 1gb $15.00 data plan. I'd still want it to work right, so I don't want someone else using 200 times the data that I do for $30.00. If it was free and had no impact, I wouldn't care, but that just isn't the case. Wireless data just isn't cheap to roll out.
[Nexus One General] :
Unlimited data for $75? lol
[Nexus One General] attn1:
Yeah, because that will keep people from replacing cable modems with smartphones so quickly. I don't feel the need to subsidize that.

Look at it this way, it's a lot better than the plan for $25.00 + $20.00 for tethering. With 5gb of data, you're already at $75.00. Without tethering, it's $75.00 @ 7gb. It's a fair chunk of change all right, but it's also an awful lot more data than the average bear is going to consume. If you don't make heavy users pay their fair share, everyone else gets screwed one way or another.
[EVO 4G General] Sporkman:
Gawd 2 days ..........

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[EVO 4G General] BigSK225:
seems like forever....
[EVO 4G General] mikevillarroel:
only one my friend, only one.
[EVO 4G General] chandlerw88:
haha i wanted to start a thread like this but didnt want to get laughed at. ive watched so many videos on the evo that im prolly already used to it, this is gonna be the longest 2 days ever
[EVO 4G General] YoungAceAtlanta:
Im doing whatever i can to keep the evo off my mind and make time fly,

today is almost over with just about 12hours to go (at the time of this post)

So all we got is a full day of thursday and im soo pulling a all nighter, if i see a UPS or a fedex truck at a sprint or radio shack store tomorrow, just know you would hear about it on the news :D jk lol
[EVO 4G General] BigSK225:
its good to know im not alone! i think ive read every review at least twice and watched EVERY youtube video that has anything to do with the Evo....cant wait to get my nerdy azz hands on this thing and put it through the paces. were almost there brothers!!!!!!!!!!!:cool:
[EVO 4G General] aaronb1980:
At least you guys are in round 1. Im off by another week. -sigh-
[EVO 4G General] chazglenn3:
Just think if Sprint had actually advertised this thing...the launch could rival the original iPhone release!
[EVO 4G General] mikevillarroel:
Iphone, what's an Iphone? lol
[EVO 4G General] Kshawn:
I'll put myself out on a limb here and say that everyone can relate. I personally have never pre-ordered anything nor do I first adopt anything....but ever since the evo was known as the supersonic...I have just been memorized with the device. Ive been re-watching and watching videos/reveiws about this phone for weeks now. pre-ordered the exact same day I found out That it could be pre-ordered knocking notches off my calender. I'm sure the phone will have bugs but what piece of tech doesn't?

I'm coming off of the samsung moment that is an awesome device *thanks to the sdx family* but damn I can't wait to jump ship. I can see myself holding onto this phone for more than my yearly upgrades. I mean if its not broken why replace it right?
[EVO 4G General] enragedpaza:
I guess I'm lucky, currently stay at home dad. So saying i have to much time on my hands is a understatement. So, i decided to mod my kids wii on monday, and filling a hard drive today of games for it. Then my friend decides he wants his done, so doing it today also. Kids gone all day tomorrow (grandma's house), so i will have my xbox 360 to play. New maps on call of duty modern warfare 2, so that will be good. Now only if more people want me to mod there xbox or wii, i will have more money to spend on accessories.

I am fortunate to be able to be home to teach my kids and help with older kids homework. ( ages: 2,4,6,8 all girls) Not to mention teach myself how to mod different things such as phones, gaming consoles, mp3 players etc..........
[EVO 4G General] mikevillarroel:
i jumped from the Sansum a900 (blade) to the HTC Touch with winmo 6.0, then i found XDA, flash custom 6.1, 6.5, 6.5.x, android. After 2 or 3 years came the EVO, a good replacement for my old vogue.

I may keep it for the same 2 or 3 years , don't see why not, i don't need to have the last gadget, the only thing i need is fall in love with one.
[EVO 4G General] myriam53:
Marketing.

What drives me crazy is Sprint marketing. Somebody should fire those idiots. We should be seeing lots of commercials about the EVO. That's what sells phones. Only we geeks know about the EVO. What Sprint does? Commercials about the network featuring Dan Hesse. He is a nice person, but those ads are boring. Who cares a bout the network? Everybody knows Sprint network is the best. What they must do is good advertising of phones, like Verizon with the Droid or ATT with Iphone. And not like that retarded ad about the Pre. What are they waiting for? :mad:
[EVO 4G General] mikevillarroel:
Good to see I'm not the only one, doing it, i have 2 girls, 2 and 9, i moded the WII too, lol but i don't have Xbox, i do have a PS3 (socom comfrontation online player) but so far no mods, and of course i learn to mod my phone too. i guess i'm fortunate too.
[EVO 4G General] enragedpaza:
Yeah no mods for ps3 that i have found which sucks, awsome system there
[EVO 4G General] KERKEDAGAIN:
my sentiments eXACTly!! I'm not a fan, nor do I condone emotional spending (i.e. early adopting) but this one surpasses mere emotion..it's truly a beast I can keep unleashed in public, not confined to my home (i.e. PCs or consoles) Can't wait!
[EVO 4G General] mrono:
Agreed, this is one piece of tech I can't wait to show off!
[EVO 4G General] MetroKnight:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=693890

better late than never.

I don't know how I'm going to get any work done on Friday.
[EVO 4G General] nextking:
Exactly! One friend of mine has the HTC incredible, another is an apple fan boy... i cant wait to poop on them :cool::D
[EVO 4G General] Sporkman:
what makes it bad is i got my case and screencover from the fedx man yesterday afternoon
[EVO 4G General] mikevillarroel:
Last night around 9:30 pm i was getting ready to start playing SOCOM in my PS3 when my wife came down stairs and ask me: r u gonna play today? and i said: yes why? and she said: i thought you were gonna see you UFC crap. i said: no mi amor, that's on wednesdays., and she said: well "TODAY IS WEDNESDAY" can you guys imagine how i felt knowing that i was thinking today was friday the whole day? :(
[Desire General] nearxos:
just receive an update for htc desire does anybody knows what is ncluded in this update
[Desire General] Aitese:
What carrier are you with? What country are you in? Is your phone unlocked/debranded? Have you rooted it?

You've provided zero information
[Desire General] nearxos:
czech republic on vodafone the phone is debranded and i havent root it.

and the update is 1.21.405.2
[Desire General] badmelonfarmer:
Yes! On Orange UK with unbranded desire stock firmware.

Update available, downloading now. No mention of what it is though.
[Desire General] Aitese:
A few invisible bug fixes and speed improvements...you'd probably not notice if you were really happy with your phone. Little cosmetic things like a counter on the SMS app, now icons on a couple of apps...etc.

Nothing major, but may fix a few niggles.
[Desire General] DaddyCee:
How do you know if you have this update? I have just checked and am being told that my phone is up to date. Last update I applied was a few weeks ago when I got the handset from Orange UK.
[Desire General] Aitese:
They roll it out, I was told mine was up to date four times and then it came up on the fifth so it's a bit random...it's fast when it does download to I'm guessing they're not pushing it out to EVERY single Desire at the same time.
[Desire General] EddyOS:
If you really want it it's in ROM development or linked on my signature, but its the full 150MB-odd RUU file not the small OTA update
[Desire General] gleepface:
My phone is telling me there are no updates available, hopefully it will be soon!
[Desire General] moran679:
I just tried to check for updates for my desire (unrooted) and I saw that I can update to 1.21.405.2.

UPDATE:

It seems that the update is only available for the EU unbranded roms.

Changes reported:

- Updates bootloader to 0.80

- New radio image

- New youtube app with HQ option (1.6.20E).

- Fixed htc's weather widget (integrated into clock&weather widget) not knowing where you are (1.15.xxx just said the name of the country in some countries).

- SMS issue (from non-numerical senders) is resolved.

- fixed random contact showing when receiving operator SMS.

- fixes the voicemail bug for the French carrier SFR (short voicemail number used to call 911/emergency).

- Messages app now shows a count on the number of messages in the SMS inbox.

- calendar/contacts bug - unable to store contact's birthday - has been fixed.

- Long click on the menu button when in home screen now doesnt pop up the keyboard, like it uselessly did before.

- SMS reader does not show the little smiley androids any more - just the mere types.

- Exchange Company Address Book is now properly working. Was unable to use before the update.

- They have disabled the snooze function on the Optical trackpad for calendar events. This means that it is now possible to have the phone in your pocket without accidentally snoozing the alarms.

Known issues:

- OTA update on debranded/rooted roms resolves in wifi not working - debranded may be specific for orange.

- Doesnt fully charge for the first couple of times, probably a calibiration thing, it's ok after 3-5 charges.
[Desire General] LBTaylor1984:
OOO thats new I checked this morning and it wasn't there.

this is an up date for HTC Applications, well thats what it says.

27.2 mb can't be a big deal.
[Desire General] EddyOS:
I'm on it now, seems fine...the MCR custom ROMs are based on it but I got bored of them so went stock
[Desire General] cmonthegas:
Updating to 1.21.405.2 changes your bootloader to 0.80 and currently it is unavailable to downgrade back to 0.75.

This means that if you ever want to run an RUU to revert back to stock you won't be able to since that requires a 0.75 bootloader.
[Desire General] EddyOS:
You can get the stock 1.21.405.2 ROM from my sig so you can go back whenever needed...you just cant go back to 1.15.405.4
[Desire General] LBTaylor1984:
well atleast this shows progress at the HTC camp. Real question is whether this is it, or is it work around the 2.2 update?
[Desire General] doinbox:
Where can i find what differneces are on this update.
[Desire General] Orka82:
Can i still root my desire if i want to after this update?
[Desire General] abc27:
This rom has been out for quite some time now. Small little patches are hardly anything compared to moving up an entire OS revision.

Yes but you'll need to use the 0.80 method.
[Desire General] Aitese:
How long is that? If this is how long it takes HTC to port their UI onto a new build of the SAME OS it's not looking good.
[Desire General] EddyOS:
It was posted in ROM Dev about 3 weeks ago now, maybe longer...

EDIT: 19th May
[Desire General] albert_htc:
Wonder if O2 users will get an update.. I'm feeling left out :)
[Desire General] tomcat84:
Im on o2, too. Hope they will get this update soon.

Not that its a big thing... but it would make me feel optimistic for future updates (2.2?) if theyd get this done quickly... :)
[Desire General] EddyOS:
the O2 Desire is pretty much brand new so won't have an update yet - it's going to be HTC bringing the other units up to speed...
[Desire General] dexteral:
so what is this update???? Anyone:confused:
[Desire General] tuatha:
Minor fixes. New radio image. New youtube app with HQ option (with a widget that doesn't work if you're logged in to your account). New bootloader. Fixed Facebook/unknown contact issue (haven't verified this personally).

I flashed the rom from the dev forum a couple of days ago, but haven't noticed any other changes yet.

The news widget still doesn't update automatically.
[Desire General] dexteral:
thanks :) hope froyo's next.. :D

edit: i think speaker is also louder ... though it may just be me
[Desire General] al89nut:
I get the HQ option in the Youtube app when logged in to my account
[Desire General] Aitese:
Ah well...that will teach me to be fast.

Updated via 3G at work. Got home and just realised my Wifi no longer works. Refuses to start after the update. Tried several reboots...nothing.

It doesn't even TRY to start, as soon as you select the check box to enable Wifi it instantly says "Unable to start Wi-Fi"

This sucks.