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[Windows Mobile] afr33s:
Requesting user input...

I don't have the time to hunt down the details of the latest Sense builds and am not 100% successful with what I've searched for to date. So I'm going to only update the list below if someone posts new information in this thread (or if I manage to come across something myself while browsing!)

Hope this has proven at least a little bit useful...

:)
[Windows Mobile] cnzqy1:
Manila Home 2.5.20161427.0 with Manila Core 2015 is from Oboe 0.70, with no Twitter or Footprints.

The newest one from Leo S is from Leo S 3.04(yes, it's a HD2), and it's with the standard components(No Document or Reader).
[Windows Mobile] tidus18:
Friendly bump. Useful thread.

Thanks!
[Windows Mobile] afr33s:
Thanks.:)

Details added to first post.
[HD2 General] wish34:
It seems to me that wm6.x is a dying OS.

I love my hd2 but i am now becoming concerned that no one is developing for it, especially in the games department.

Even adobe have dropped flash support saying that wm6.x lacks the API's they need.

With no official wm7 upgrade, we will all be relying on clever people here to get wm7 or android on are HD2's

All in all I feel very disappointed. Anyone else feel the same way?
[HD2 General] Toss3:
Yup, didn't expect the HD2 to get obsolete so fast especially considering the amount we paid for it. Really hoped HTC would do something to keep the HD2 feeling fresh during its 2 year lifespan, but they obviously don't care about costumer service at all.

As I understand it both Samsung and HTC are lacking in this department and then people wonder why people choose the iPhone over competing phones. :rolleyes:

If it weren't for XDA I would have given up on WM much earlier.
[HD2 General] tictac0566:
HD2 is ,imho, a "business" platform which would have great gaming potential.

And yes, I agree that both MS and HTC seem not to care about existing customers - they have not understood the concept of doing "iBusiness". Means, understanding the own customers and offering products and solutions which are requested by those important stakeholders.

As the posting before mine mentioned, Samsung is not better at all - they never understood customers. And I know what I am talking about...

I think even if WP7 is going more into the "iBiz" direction, it will not really succeed the way Apple did. Android will fill there. But, you never know. MS will try to move some XBox success over to the mobile platform...

In the sum, I knew about all this when I bought my HD2. In the past, I rarely used any device for more than 2 years - in this case, probably summer 2011, with iPhone 5G and Android "3rd generation", I will take my next choice... until then, I am perfectly fine with my HD2, thanks to xda.
[HD2 General] chris2busy:
Yes i am afraid thats is true..you have been uber-mugged...Thank the god there is xda...and quite honestly, here you can find anything you could want(more or less) that MSFT or HTC would even sweat getting for their customers..HTC being the lesser of the 2 evil since they built this beat and beauty at the same time ;) AND covering so effectively the visual hiddeousness of 6.x platform (visually wise)..You are not on your own, you have the greatest community ever by your side :) but fact remains , your purchase alone was a money drain (if you do exclude xda and take it as a winmo phone)
[HD2 General] atrako1973:
i bought hd2 few months ago knowing now what i ignored then about windows 6,.5 dying i would never have bought it but thanks to xda people they gave it the extra mile that was lacking and made it look way more beautiful ,like co0kies tabs, 3G switch in comm manager,and the most beautiful skins from diniks ,what else would you want ?
[HD2 General] Mhz250:
this sound awfull... cell phone brands leaving their customers on their own or leiving them to a community they dont control..... (don't miss understand me, XDA rocks)

But that kind of brand "policies"... S*ck

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Even a cheap chinese cell phone like "Ciphone" has it's own community to help users, give updates and apps. Cifans forum. I had the c6 and that community did a great job for me. HTC did a lot less...
[HD2 General] gmatharu12:
Its true, I do love my HD2 very much, but if it wasn't for XDA Developers, I really would have gone for a android device instead. I am just pleased that custom ROMs, Cookie's Home Tab and MaxManila are doing so well. The reasons for not providing WP7 as an upgrade are quite poor and is something that HTC and MS can easily sort out together but are just deciding not to - I reckon anyway.
[HD2 General] chris2busy:
The main reason that they dont is that they have set very high gaming standards for the wp7 devices for the xbox live plans they got and snapdragon's fill rate is very low to fit their needs.
[HD2 General] gmatharu12:
I can understand that. Fair enough, well now I am about to flash a new ROM, I really want to try messing with MaxManila's new interface. Yeah, the HD2 may never see a fully working WP7, but as long as I have the HD2 - I don't think I'll ever get bored of messing with WM6.5/6.5.3/etc, flashing ROMs, and so on. haha. Talking about the gaming standards, I am looking forward to what developers come up with. :)
[HD2 General] Phenomenon:
This is true and I hate that no sites have had the balls to post about this fact. It's just something both companies I guess feel they DON'T have to take care of and don't feel it's any loss anger a few customers about this issue. The hardware issue is such bull**** in my opinion. This isn't the first time there were phones with different hardware. Simply make some apps for certain phones and obviously the higher end apps will support the higher end phones. The games has been a big issue, but nothing really to care about. FPSECE covers most of that. As far as XDA while I do love the site and it does develop a lot of new and unique things for the HD2 recently it's mostly been custom UIs that are just flooding the HD2 section.
[HD2 General] wish34:
snapdragon 1ghz cpu is the miniumum standard for Wp7 isnt it?

I would have thought the HD2 opengles was fast enough....oc better drivers

would help as chainfire has allready shown...xda to the rescue again:D

My point is this is the fastest cpu /phone ive ever used, its capable of far better games perfomance, but as winmo 6.5 phone its never going to see any

games such as gameloft ashphalt 5

There are several games out there that should be updated such as Cod2 and thps2, these would sell to the HD2 comunity and i doubt it would be that difficult or expensive for EA and the like to get these older tittles working
[HD2 General] samsamuel:
" Anyone else think MS and HTC have let us down? "

nope, can't say I do.
[HD2 General] reijkelhof:
That would make a seriously good topic title.
[HD2 General] aayush3009:
htc has let us all down.. look at sony ericsson, they have hundreds of apps and the xperia x2 is getting official rom updates now.. which feature WinMo 6.5.x (start button positioned down). it it weren't for xda, i would have used my hd2 as a weapon to injure people! :p Screw u MS and HTC.
[HD2 General] stevefwt:
Have you used an xperia x2 lately? It is slow as a snail compared with the HD2.

It shouldn't be long until they (yes the xda gods) port us android. Windows is and will always be rubbish.

Look on the bright side, the EVO is coming so soooon.
[HD2 General] karaern:
HTC's total failure

not only HTC let us down but make us to feel as idiots that just financed their stupid OS selection by buying HD2. Personally i am wont participate in other their action, will trow away HTC HD2 (and just because the WM...otherwise i like it!) and will never ever buy another HTC product. For now the market is full with alternatives. :mad:
[HD2 General] se1988:
NO, because anyone who has done research before buying the phone would already know this. I did, and i bought it anyway, because xda will always help when ms and htc wont.
[HD2 General] malex1:
If you look through other HTC phone models on XDA, you will find that very often when the forum has come up with good ideas, and there has been a lot of interest in them, HTC (who read this forum), take it on board and add the idea to their official updates.

So if a large percentage of HD2 owners say they are dumping their HD2 phones, why should HTC bother with updates?

If you do not like your HD2 phone, or MS software, hard luck, don't complain to XDA. The forum did not twist your arm to buy it.

You would not buy a car or computer, without checking its performance first, so why buy a phone without checking its performance first.
[HD2 General] bloodychaos:
I did my research there but I bought my HD2 when I read somewhere it can be upgraded to WP7. A few weeks after I bought it, well...the bad news came up.:eek:

I really like the looks and feel of the HD2 but I'm wishing HTC can give us end users an option which OS to use. I'd grab Android anytime. But hey, in a sense, MS let me down but not as much as HTC did.
[HD2 General] karaern:
ofc till xda is here and members have free time to solve problems occurring because of WM and HTC carelessness.

and pls can u explain here how u mek market research on usage of totally new phone on the market. (if u are in the 1st buyers list). i am just curious!:eek:

and still believe that companies must have responsibilities to their customers!
[HD2 General] karaern:
no comment..:cool:.just read my post above!
[HD2 General] wish34:
You purchased your HD2 knowing that ms and HTC would let you down by not offering an official os upgrade path?

I had heard that we would get Wp7 update.... I'd read it somewhere. this rumor turned out to be wrong, or MS just changed there mind.

xda developers have some big hurdles to overcome before we have Android or Wp7 on the HD2. many of them doing the work for free, or for small donations, while HTC and MS sit back and count there money.

if I had realized that this was going to happen I would have waited for the Evo.....only to discover its not being launched in the UK.......:mad:
[HD2 General] MAMeingast:
I don't feel disappointed at all... Why should I?

WM6.5.X is not outdated and will be continued being developed. Microsoft has stated this several times. WM7 will NOT be a replacement for 6.5.X - it is more of a seperate path.

WM7 sucks! I really don't know why so many people want it! What is so great about it? Ok, I get the appeal of an "easier" interface, but I don't want that if it comes at the cost of not being able to customize my interface at all (which I'm sure will be the case). WM7 is just MS' attempt to appeal to Iphone-users - with all the problems and negative aspects that includes (no real multitasking, less customization, strict regulations as to installable apps because of the marketplace monopoly etc.). No thanks! I'm sticking with 6.5.X! If I wanted all that, I would get an Iphone!

The hardware requirements for WM7 are not BS as some have complained here. Quite the opposite is true: The hardware requirements are only consequent because Microsoft wants to use WM7 to get rid of the many problems that were associated with the diverse range of devices on which older WM versions ran. They want to simplify everything to ensure maximum compatibility. This also is a tactic they copied from Apple/Iphone.

Also, to all those saying that Android is so much better: Why on earth didn't you get an Android device instead of the HD2 to begin with?

Just my 2 cents...
[HD2 General] malex1:
MS WinMo6 was around on many phones and there were many reviews on the internet before HD2 Leo came on market, so research could be done.

Before the phone was released, there were reviews of the phone, in many magazines and on the internet.

As for the phone, it was possible to try it out in a shop from first day of release.
[HD2 General] xaccers:
Bloody well said!

Seriously, do many of you have hundreds of applications installed on your phone, adding new ones every day, or do you just have a few that you actually use and really have no need for more?

I have Opera, Tomtom, SPB MS3.5, a couple of games and that's about it.

Same with my Blackstone, although before SPB MS3.5 on that I had some of the cabs from XDA to give a clear home screen.
[HD2 General] PoisonWolf:
People complain because they bought the phone banking on this notion that Android would be ported within weeks of THEM getting their HD2. Or within weeks of EVO 4G coming out. Little do they know that it'll take anywhere from 6 ~ 12 months. Lawl.
[HD2 General] fantasytozi:
Couldnt said any better!
[HD2 General] :
No not at all and couldn't be bothered to read the previous post so most will say what I'm about to say, you new what you was buying, and its still an awesome phone that imo is still top dog, :p
[HD2 General] wish34:
ok, ok,

There must be other people out there who want to play games on there HD2.

Its the best phone hardware wise i've ever seen, which is why i fell in love with it.

I like new games ... is that unusual? Am I weird in some way? ( Probably but thats another matter!)

How many Games have been developed for the HD2 using opengles,gsensor or multitouch ... er....um ???

Sure, there are a few other great games that play on our HD2 like experiment 13 and Xtract, but these were designed for the xperia and the gsensors isn't working.

My point is where is the development for are HD2's?

How well would the iphone done with this lack of support?

Who's to blame if its not MS or HTC? ...My moneys waiting to pay for quality games and apps ... so it cant be my fault!
[HD2 General] xaccers:
Well, as there are plenty of games being developed for WM6.5, if not specifically for the HD2, shows that the advent of WP7 hasn't killed off app development, I'd say it's the developers that are to blame.

Rather than writting a cross phone app that can run on pretty much any 6.5 phone and therefore bring in as much income as possible, those greedy developers should have just concentrated on writting for the HD2 and say to hell with earning a living!

Right?
[HD2 General] MAMeingast:
Regarding games on the HD2: Yes, I agree, there are not many high quality games for our device and I don't see many developers working on changing that. But I don't think HTC or MS are to blame directly. I'm sure they have their share of responsibility in this, but its not mainly their fault. The problem simply is: The market isn't there. Yes, some of us would pay for good games - but I'm sure the numbers are too insignificant for developers to even consider investing into games for the HD2.

This is worsened by a problem I already mentioned in my post above: Windows Mobile is running on so many different hardware platforms ranging from incredibly slow and underpowered devices to awesome jaw-dropping power machines like our HD2s that developing games for WM is a tedious and problematic adventure: Just because the game will run on one WM device does not mean it will work on another. While iphone developers know exactly on what kind of hardware their software will run, developers for WM have to tailor their software for many different devices (g-sensor vs. no g-sensor, different resolutions, different cpu architectures, touch-screen vs no touch-screen etc).

Finally taking into account that only a couple of devices running WM are actually powerful enough to run nice-looking games, it is no wonder that developers are not working on games for WM!

But I don't think it makes much sense to complain about it now! Of course you will be disappointed if you expected awesome games to come to the HD2 and this was a factor in your decision to buy this device - but you have to ask yourself, if it was fair to expect that to begin with! WM never was a platform for shiny games, it always was a platform more tailored for business users (and this is where it is far better than the iphone). AFAIK HTC or MS never advertised WM6.5 or 6.5.X with a focus on games or the like. That's why I'm not disappointed. I would love some great games, but I always knew that the chances for that are slim, simply by knowing what WM is (ok, maybe "was" considering WM7 is totally different).
[HD2 General] rumpleforeskin:
There is a playstation emulator that works very well so there are many good games to be played on HD2.

Anyone else think MS and HTC have let us down?

answer is no, i got exact device i paid for and its very good. If you expected something that HTC or microsoft never promised its not really fair to blame them if you do not get it
[HD2 General] g30rg10u:
hmmmm.... no

i wouldnt say that they let us down.

my previous phone is an iphone 2g, i used it for 2 years.

true, i had updates & fixes.. anyway... from an accessory (v1.1.2) it became a "smart" phone,, no GPS, no MS Office... not a Pocket PC....

I wouldnt buy another apple smartphone.

My HD2 is doing exactly what i want it to be doing. A REAL Pocket PC.

If Android is better? Yes, i believe so... but.. WM6.5 is no crap, its a powerful OS.

I love my phone. I will be very happy when i will have dual boot with android. But until then, i am still happy with it.

To be honest, its the only 4.3inch device that is stylish, powerful, fits in the pocket, and can be used as mini tablet.

No offence, everyone sees things as he/she wants, i am not a pocket device gamer,, there are thousands of apps to download and use, it has nice graphics.. so.. this is my point of view.. since you asked :)
[HD2 General] MAMeingast:
+1

Completely forgot about FPSEce - it's awesome! :D
[HD2 General] NeoGreendawg:
If anyone's to blame for anything it's those who didn't do their research and blindly bought the HD2 without knowing the first thing about the WM platform and the apps available.

As someone who's owned a Trinity, a Diamond and a Diamond 2, I knew what to expect from the HD2 and I wouldn't expect anything that wasn't promised and WP7 was certainly never promised to HD2 users so I don't really see what all the whining is about...
[HD2 General] lunaticz0r:
only way i feel let down is of the MAJOR amount of buggs and crashes the hd2 has...i mean whenever i stream soemthing..crash..open a movie.not compatible format...scroll trough big list...laggs/crashed/freezes photo taking...reboot all these kind of things make me want to waste another 800euros or something to get the evo which is supposed to be way better(i have no knowledge about wm ands android etc but i guess android is way better...)
[HD2 General] a13x4nd3r:
my though on hd2

my thought on my hd2:

THE HARDWARE:

i LOVE this phone design, slim, sexy, monstorous screen, fast snapdragon, nice camera (imho, its my main camera for now), and many more...

THE WINDOWS MOBILE & CUSTOM ROM

i LOVE the sense ui, i love cht, i love custom rom, and i like how open winmo is, how customable it is, how it can be upgraded,

personaly i love the phone that must be tweaked first for a comfy use, tough im 13 years old, im different from all my friend i flashed my phone, tweak it, while @ the same time all my friend just know how to use it, even one of my friend asked me what "backup " is?

THE SOFTWARE OF THE WM 6.5

i started to become hopeless in the future of wm 6.5 software availabilty. adobe cancel flash, no skype, stup1d marketplace, outdated game, and also less dev that want to make a software for wm...

THE FUTURE OF THIS PHONE

i still put many hope for this, i hope android get ported, wp7 get hacked, bb connect get hacked,hd video unlocked, and so many more....

ABOUT FPSECE & GAME

fpsece, cool but SO HARD TO PLAY on thd touch screen

THE CONCLUSIONS

I LOVE this phone, i think wp 7 upgrade is just the marketing trick to push the hd2 selling, so my hope is just this community, IMHO HTC has trapped us..

but i don't regret buying this device, i'm currently happy with this phone

HTC & MICROSOFT has let us down?

Somewhat yes somewhat no

yes: stuck with wm 6.5, the dying os

no: this phone have many potential sector to developed, becoming an ultimate device
[HD2 General] xaccers:
Have you checked the HTC site for hotfixes or a more recent ROM?

If so and you still have problems, warranty your phone.
[HD2 General] :
I still class my self as a n00b on here but here goes

I love how its mainly the new people complaining and the folks that had WM or HTC before knew what they were buying !!!!

Research in what you're buying people FFS..................
[HD2 General] the0stranger:
Apple better for business? I don't see that!

I agree, it seems that this new, state of the art, everything will change after it, phone could have much more support from MS and HTC. But, from my perspective running an IT Dept and supporting mobility, when it comes to real world business, the I-Phone is much more lacking. It's a cool toy!

I enjoy this site, I have often tried out apps that individuals develop, it's fun and there are applications that you can't get anywhere else. Still I won't push an application or system to my business network that hasn't been time proven. A business app needs to plugin and go as much as possible, business can't afford paying someone to constantly re-load and troubleshoot software issues. For mobile computing - since the device isn't always available this is more true.

WM / Blackberry are the only choices I see for real world bussiness application.

So far.
[HD2 General] lunaticz0r:
LOL exactly now when i just wanted to reply my phone crashed...says i have too little space and it went blue/blanco and got an error of copilot which i dont even use and couldnt click anywhere and kept givign my no space error and rebooted...nothing worked so i had to hardreset

WM FTW -.-

oh and yeah i had the new rom etc...got it from the store and havm't added a new rom or radio yet since i dont understand how exactly yet
[HD2 General] mbernstein:
For me, HD 2 delivers what it promises. Big problem is that MS did not release WM 6.5.x like it should. I've been using it with and without HTC Sense (I don't miss Sense even in deep/obscure menus), and honestly my impression is that it is (almost?) everything PPC users would want.

Only MS should have released 6.5.x last year and it should have been released as WM 7. If MS did what Google did with Android, pushing several manufacturers to release good devices with WM 6.5.x as a full new version last year, it could have placed it in the position where Android is now. I played a little with Android, but it seems to me that it is pretty much what WM 6.5.x is LESS many functionalities and lacking several important (office) and great software like CorePlayer, Pocket Player etc. So today, Android seems way worse than 6.5.x.

But problem is not now, but in the future as new applications seem not to be being developed due to lack of excitement with WM 6.5.x. I see the updating cycle on my PPC soft is very sluggish now and I don't think it is just because they are mature enough...

I believe now 6.5.x is what Android aims to be, but in the near future whoever enjoys 6.5.x features and flexibility/customization and HD2 will end up moving to Android as it will catch up WM and pass it with more options in software and hardware. WM 7 looks to be a variation on the iPhone. Perhaps, they will open up a little the platform, use Multitasking etc, but this seems to be just a guess now.

But anyway, cell phones normally don't last much more than 2 years, do they? I just hope the good soft I use today will be in Android then! :)