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[Desire General] Dunbad:
Yeah X2 on the tom tom. It wasnt great, but it was the best by some way. I could rely on it anyway. If I was you and had co pilot, id stick with it. try navigon and see what you think. It maybe better on android. Near in mind though, when you buy, those roads might straighten out! Would not surprise me! if you dont wanna buy a standalone, copilot once the route is checked with a map,??? and you've gone through the ball ache that is entering the destination on co pilot or navigon, then your good to go. It really is nice to follow. (providing come the day of the races it loads! Lastly, the tome it takes to recalculate the route, I thought was reasonable on all of them. But its HOW it re routes thats vital. And most get it wrong! That all said things might be different on android. As for me, im not even bothering till tom tom comes out.
[Desire General] paulruk:
Well after using Navigon trial for a while at both home and abroad I have decided to purchase , having tried all the other navigation software. Its slightly lacking in features compared to co pilot but what it does do well is navigation. Its fast, good display, accurate and comprehensive speech and the poi`s are pretty good. Probably used it for 300 miles without a hitch.

Thanks for the help
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] britoso:
I just tried the FileExplorer (Device->FileExplorer in DDMS) and it works great.

Copied my DCIM/Camera folder and it worked flawlessly and superfast :)

Available commands for a selected tree node (file/folder) are:

push

pull

delete (file only)

If you have the SDK, just start->run->ddms (windows example)

otherwise run x:\android-sdk\tools\ddms.bat (windows example)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] deezy7:
Hey great xda people!!

Just wondering if anyone is working on a Froyo ROM? Or if there is even a Froyo build to cook a ROM yet?? I sure hope so, because I was thinking of reformatting my 16gb microSD to give it like, 2 to 4gb of Ext2 space to install apps on. But with the announcement of Android 2.2 supporting apps on SD, we will have whatever size our microSD can hold right?

So does that mean we won't even need to create the Ext2 partitions anymore?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] robuser007:
We already have apps2sd; there are huge kernel differences.

There isn't even an rom for the G1 that's usable (everything works), we always port from the G1.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] deezy7:
wait, so, if we use apps2sd, does that mean we don't need to use those the Ext2 partitions + "data on sd partition" combination?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] rocky814:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/28/android-2-2-wastes-no-time-getting-hacked-onto-htc-dream-and-mag/

it is almost there
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] filipefumaux:
I'm waiting for it too...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] deezy7:
I'm so excited :D Phones are just too much fun :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Ttblondey:
Have you try Polymod 2.1 which I ever use It works .or maybe you need to change you sd card.what I know is that some rom not compatible with HaRET. I'm using CyanogenMod 7 now ever use CyanogenMod 6 with NAND
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] n2rjt:
Logs would help. You will probably find a file named something like dmesg.log in the andboot folder, but I don't remember clearly. I made a mistake in my private message to you, where I said that the zImage and initrd needed to match so that the drivers would match the kernel. In fact, the drivers are not in the initrd but instead are in an androidupdate.tgz file that you should find the same place you found the kernel.

Ugh, guys, I've been away from kaiser long enough I barely remember how to do anything. I think it might not be safe for me to give advice anymore. But if you post your questions here, maybe someone will know the answer.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] snipke:
I want today make i video call but it was not possibel, i was on the 3g network.

Do i have to make som difference on my td2 or is here a cab file that must be installed.

Thanxs in advanced

Grtz
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bruce Inman:
Video calling is enabled through your dialer.

If your dialer supports it, it should work.

Please peovide better details;

Was there an error?

What steps were taken to enable the function?

What ROM?

ETC.?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] snipke:
myn dialer supports it, i just get an error that it was not possibel to do video call, i have td2 , with the original rom

Grtz
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bruce Inman:
From what I've read, its not functioning correctly and may have to be enabled by your service provider for a fee.

But Topaz does not have forward facing camera, right? If so, why the need?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xhozt:
I use it all the time with the regular camera when im out and neeed to show the wife something quick and moving ;-) Im using the stock pure rom though .
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] snipke:
The same reasen,

Grtz
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bruce Inman:
snipke meet xhozt
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BBS_HK:
MY TD2 has front facing camera.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] snipke:
all td2 has front camera i think

Grtz
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Osetjka:
I'm planning to get a new phone within the next several weeks and would greatly appreciate some answers to a couple of Desire (or just general Android) related questions. I'm torn between HD2 and the Desire at the moment, but since I've been using WinMo for a couple of years now I (kinda) know what to expect if I go for the larger screen :). Saw both at a store the other day and was quite impressed by both.

I've tried Android a couple of times on my Touch Pro, but there are certain things that are just different compared to a proper Android device - for example the handling of USB connection and SD card.

1. How's the battery life generally? I'm quite happy with the Touch Pro's battery, even though people seem to think they run out too easily (less than a day?). The phone can go for 2+ days with moderate use.

2. Will there be more hunt for the perfect radio and ROM (as per tradition :D)? Not that I mind trying out custom ROMs. Similarly, will there be registries or something similar to change app settings?

3. How's AVI playback on the Desire? Now I understand that last time I checked the Android had some problem playing xvid files. I do watch movies on my phone, so I was wondering how players (yxflash?) handle the usual 350mb TV eps at the moment.

4. Can I mount my SD as mass storage on PC ala WinMo HTC phones such as the Touch Pro? Also, would I be able to do internet sharing either via USB or bluetooth?

5. Is there a way to install apps or tweaks ala CABs? I've tried out the market and while it's nice and easy to use, will that be the only way to install apps or tweaks?

6. At the store I felt that the Desire (and the HD2) was very sensitive to touch. The slightest touch fired off a click on the screen, which I suspect was due of the newer capacitive screens. Is there a way to tone this down so that more pressure is required to interact with the screen? Also, I'm guessing finger nails probably won't work now?

7. Is the phone casing durable? From the demo unit I got the impression that the front panel/casing of the phone is quite delicate.

I would greatly appreciate any feedback current Desire users might provide and look forward to what everyone has to say. Thank you.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tyr:
1. Battery life is good enough for a day's good use. You could stretch to two with much less use. My Touch Pro needed charging daily as does my Desire.

2. Desire's cannot be flashed reliably from what I gather at the moment.

3. Not tested

4. SD card as usb drive yes and tethering yes.

5. Apps can be installed manually just have to tick the option in the settings.

6. The Touch Pro is resistive and the screen reacts like a button, needing pressure. Capacitative screens need no pressure and work by detecting the charge disruption caused by electrically active bodies.

7. Seems reasonable
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Phil750123:
Il answer what i can , from my view point. I love this phone and in my eyes, there is not one phone on the market at the moment that is better.

1) Battery is fine, as you say with touchpro, are there people who say o it rubbish it doesnt last a day, but it does if you use your brain, i get mine to last a day with heavy use, 2 or 3 days if i want to conserve it.

3) Rubbish, xvid isnt supported, there rumours it suppose to be in the future but doubt it for a while. However, if you want to convert your files, they work fine on the desire, specially with the beauitufl screen.

4) Yes, when you plug your phone in via usb you get list come up ( you can set a default if you want) their, just charge, htc sync (the htc sync software for email accounts etcc...) mount sd card ( mounts it as a removeable device, just like a usb stick) internet sharing ( to share the 3g on your phone with laptop/pc)

6) I dont think so, but i might be wrong, however i dont see it being a problem, the touch is fine, if worried about it going off in your pocket it wont. Only problem is touching the hardware power button when its off, a v ery light touch turns the phone on, which is anoying. finger nails do work.

7) Yes and no, people say it not to hard, however i have dropped it about 4 or 5 times, and not a scratch on it all the way around. Iv had it since end of march, and only had screen protector on it for about a week, no case or anything, and it all nice and shiny and not scratched, and im a student, been out with me while iv been drunk etc.. no issues. Only issue is screen get dirty very quickly, but nothing a wipe from your top doesnt solve.

Hope this helped, msg me or post on here if you want to now more.

But get the desire!
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] aljwatson69:
Right I'll have a go at answering some of those...

1. After installing a program called UltimateJuice (cost me about £2) I can get usually around 36 hours out of the battery now. That's with push email, things such as weather, Facebook etc updating every hour along with fairly heavy texting and internet, and the odd phone call. Overall I'm very happy with the battery but it really varies depending how much you use it.

2. Well there definitely are custom ROMs and the like available. I've not really felt the need to install one so far, but I will consider it if HTC decide to take ages to update us to Android 2.2. Google update Android fairly frequently but HTC have a habit of taking ages to offer updates. They say they've learned from past mistakes and should be much better at it now, though.

3. I've not tried any AVI files so far, only MP4. They play well and look great. Really hammer the battery though. I can get about 4 hours of good quality video playback. YXFlash works but lots of people say performance isn't that great. There's a thread in this forum somewhere called DivX support on Froyo or similar. Check that thread out for lots of discussion. HTC did say we'd be getting DivX support but who knows if we actually will.

4. Yes, when you connect your phone to the PC you can either charge only, mount as disk drive or a couple of other options. You can have it ask you each time or set a default preference.

5. You can download APK files from anywhere. For example, somebody on here posted an APK for a different version of Youtube with slightly different preference options to the one that comes with the Desire. It's not on the market but I just downloaded the APK, copied it to the phone's SD card and then installed it that way.

6. I've not seen an option to reduce the sensitivity of the screen. Could be wrong though. I quite like how it is so I've never gone looking for one.

7. It feels sturdy enough to me. Different people have different expectations though I guess.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Osetjka:
Thanks for the feedback everyone. The phone seems to be inline with my expectations. I'm not too worried about battery life, and who knows - I might even see a nice improvement over my TP judging from the opinion around the forum. Regarding durability, is the phone generally more/less durable than the Nexus One? I've seen those N1 drop test videos, and that phone seems to be pretty tough. But I've also read about cracked screens...

For me the biggest issue is probably video playback. I don't like to transcode my movies, and have been copying AVIs over for playback ever since I got my first WM device (HTC Magician :D). I guess this is something to think about and take into consideration (the HD2 seems to handle AVIs quite well, as expected), though I did read about a possible DivX update further down the road.

I've been reading about people complaining that apps taking up space in main memory. Is there a memory problem (pre 2.2 anyway) because I was under the impression that there's more than enough space without using SD (again, not too sure from my experience with TP Android).

Also, I forgot to ask about the GPS performance of the device. Coming from the Touch Pro let me tell you that even after countless radio flashes my TP's reception is still spotty and "moody" :). Do I still need to initialize the GPS in a sort of test application and wait (sometimes for ages) to get a fix before using apps such as Google Maps?
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] khshapiro:
Ive had wm since the 6600 with my last being the tp2. With that said, i now have the desire, and i am seriously think about going back and getting the HD2. Im just sooooo use to wm im personally having a hard time with desire and its problems. Battery life isnt great, bluetooth is horrible, and the sd card issue is driving me nuts. I really miss the file explorer and that i can play just about any video i wanted. This weekend im flashing to a generic desire rom if that doesnt work im selling it asap.

This is a telstra version au.

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[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ls1971:
GPS is much quicker to lock on my Desire than my TouchPro ever was. Keeps a good lock even in the city centre with high buildings all around. Google Navigator is free and does a decent job even when on GPRS. Co-Pilot is my preferred sat-nav so far.

AVI to MP4 converters are pretty quick and playback is smooth on the Desire.

The shell of the phone is pretty solid but not like the surround of the TP. My old TP's back chipped when I dropped it though!
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] EddyOS:
To the OP...

I'm selling my HD2 if you want it? 3 months old, fully stock and unbranded WWE unit...

Let me know if you're interested (or anyone else for that matter)
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Osetjka:
@khshapiro: Yes I know the feeling. I've got my favourite music player, movie, file explorer etc. which I figure would run on the HD2 without too much problem. My main gripe with the TP is its "small" screen (hey, 2.8' was the norm back then, but soon after screens got bigger :rolleyes:). Also, the hardware keyboard has been acting up.

What kind of SD card problem are you referring to? I've tried out the Astro File Explorer and it seems to fit the role just fine. Hmm, doesn't the phone come with it's own file browser? By the way, I'm probably getting one from Telstra too :) (either the HD2 or this phone), or perhaps an international version.

@ls1971: good to hear that there is no more drama and satellite hunts :D.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] EddyOS:
The Desire doesn't come with a file manager 'out the box' - I use RootExplorer (rooted) and EStrongs File Manager
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] khshapiro:
i downloaded a "file explorer" from the app store but its not as good as the wm explorer. do the search on desire sd card problems, sometimes it stops reading the card and says its damaged ,asking for a reformat and required a few turn ons and offs to fix. the Bluetooth issue is sometimes your bluetooth will work sometimes it wont. its a real pain if you use you phone as your mp3 player with a bluetooth headset. i "hear" they may be comming out with a fix for it but google still refuses to admit there is a problem and to contact telstra.i bought my phone outright and am using vodafone sim.......... word of advice stay away from the desire until the problems are worked out or it comes with 2.2. i had zero problems with my touch pro 2 , unlike my touch pro with i had 19 replacements. i went with the desire because it was new and smaller (thinner) than the tp2. i am selling my desire after this weekend if i cant fix it and buying an unlocked tmobile hd2. seriously read up on the problems. if you never plan on using a bluetooth stereo headset and dont care about your sd card not reading all the time or bloatware then get the telstra desire...............
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] al89nut:
There are no apps to speak of for the HD2 surely?
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hargibi:
do not get the HD2, The biggest problem i had with the device (among others) is that the screen stops reacting now and then.

So while typing sms sometimes i have to stop for a second or 2 and then i could start again. Thats why i changed my HD2 to a desire!
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Osetjka:
Hmm now I'm confused :(. I was pretty set on getting the Desire despite lack of AVI playback (for now) but after reading about the problems I'm not so sure.. I don't use any BT device, but that SD card corruption problem seems to be widespread and serious, and I do use the SD storage alot.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zaki67:
What SD card problem ? I got.my desire only a few days ago to replace my 3gs and I love it .it is far.more stable than any wm device ever made

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[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] al89nut:
Never had any SD card problems either.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Clivectmob:
Hi and Welcome. I am going to take my opportunity to put my pennies worth in as i've owned the tp2, hd2 (amongst others) and now a desire. I have to say that, if i'm honest i preferred the tp2 to the hd2, despite the better hardware in terms of the processor and screen size. The problem is simple, Win Mo is just not suited well to capacitive screens. Once you get to a page where you're trying to tap on them little radio boxes you'll quickly get frustrated. The same goes for using opera, i found the screen to be really inaccurate a lot of the time and browsing was a really frustrating experience. I very quickly found myself getting annoyed with it. Text entry was another bug bear, on a tp2, the keyboard is absolutely second to none, just about the best, and you'll be moving to a hd2 which, again, due to a wildly inaccurate screen, has to be THE most awkward phone in the world to text on, and its partly due to the size of the screen. It can be quite hard, unless you have huge hands, to reach over the whole screen with one thumb of one hand.

I now have jumped from win mo to android with a desire, it has been a learning curve, but not a bad one. I have to say that for me at least it's about as good as you can get.

Also, i feel that android is very future proof, its fairly new, and arguably better than most mobile OS's and is evolving rapidly. I keep my ear very firmly on the mobile pulse and i believe its the way forward. I just hope to god that HTC don't hang around for too long rolling out the updates, as this is my only concern.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Osetjka:
From what I've read, SD cards may get corrupted from time to time and become unreadable (especially when you connect the phone to the PC). Sometimes a restart solves the problem, while other times you simply end up with a non working card. I've read reports about this from around the net as khshapiro mentioned, and I do use my SD storage alot(for music, files etc.). People say the problem may not occur right away (more than a month) but usually gets progressively worse (even on cards that have been reliable and used for years without any problem). Do a search in this forum or google for "SD corruption htc desire" or "SD mount".

@Clivectmob: indeed, even though HD2 has a couple of features that I like such as video playback and basically familiarity with WM, basically WYSIWYG as developers move on. Regarding rollout of the latest version well there's always chefs :).
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] foxmeister:
I have no problems with the SD card and Bluetooth on my Desire. I'm not saying that others do not, but I'm pretty certain it is not as widespread as this thread might lead you to believe.

Regards,

Dave
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] samsanchez88:
I come from a touch HD, and seriusly looked and tried the HD2 and now hava desire. Although WinMo has some advantages, it's just not properly suited to a phone, you'll always have to reset every now and then, probably hava a ram sweep app and other performance tweaks.

I've had the desire for several months now, and while i flashed a new rom after 2 days and about 3 a week on my touch Hd i havn't changed anything on my desire. It works great out the box and works very consistently (win mo doesn't) so even if you don't flash you'll be very happy!

As far as sd card goes, no issues at all (though i am using my own 16gb) and i don't think it's a widespread problem!
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] khshapiro:
EVERY person i now know personally with a desire (telstra) has an SD issue, it is widespread, just wait an please comment when your card stops reading and you have to turn it off or reformat your card........... i just finished DL the goldcard , rooter and ROM , i'll comment again when ive completed the Root and flash.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] foxmeister:
I've highlighted something for you that may be particular apposite in this case!

I'm in the UK, so obviously not using a Telstra Desire, and no one who I know personally with a Desire has an SD issue, so it is possible that it is a widespread issue for Telstra Desires and not for others.

Given the history of problems with Telstra Desire's I wouldn't be at all surprised if that is the case.

Regards,

Dave
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Osetjka:
Well, a quick google for "SD card corruption htc desire" gave me results from UK Vodafone and T-Mobile discussing the same issue, so I don't think it's limited to Telstra Desires. But then again, there doesn't seem to be anyone talking about this in the local Whirlpool forum :confused:... By the way is it wise to flash khshapiro, what with reports of USB-bricks :)? How about trying to get a replacement from Telstra? Have you tried putting another card in?

@samsanchez88: Do you usually connect your phone as mass storage with PC? People seem to think that this is more likely when you do.
[Desire Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] foxmeister:
Yes, but that doesn't prove that it is a widespread issue! Just that some users have experienced it - people don't tend to post about not having a problem! ;)

If I google "HTC Desire SD Corruption", I can find a few postings on it, but again I get a similar number of postings if I google "HTC Hero SD Corruption".

I'm sure that some people are having issues, but there doesn't seem to be a great deal of discussion of it in these forums either, and considering this is probably the best place to come for 3rd party support on HTC devices, I would have expected to have heard an awful lot more about it if it were as widespread as this thread might suggest.

One final thought - here's a quote from one thread I found on DigitalSpy on the subject:

In that particular case this speaks volumes to me in, though again it doesn't prove that everyone who is having issues is because they've bought a cheap no name or fake SD card from Ebay.

Regards,

Dave