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[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] android-jaya:
you have to downgrade the build first.. rooting isnt possible with ur build.. follow these instructions..

hxxp://theunlockr.com/2009/10/18/how-to-downgrade-your-htc-hero-so-it-can-be-rooted/
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kad3t:
If you scroll down to the bottom of that page you'll see that I posted my question there before hands as well. I did try to downgrade using a goldcard exploit and this is exactly where all that happened. Rooting and custom ROMs were my ultimate goal but first I needed to downgrade. And since I couldn't use isntantroot or recovery flasher I went about using goldcard method. If you'll read my post again you'll notice that the problem happened whils using a properly made and working goldcard.
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] btdag:
Try my guide :) - its more upto date than unlockr's one and IMHO easier to follow.

FYI - the issue you're experiencing is because your phone has the wrong driver installed for the fastboot mode (white screen thing) - check out my driver guide to change that driver to MyHTC when you're in that mode. Even if its already displaying as MyHTC change it anyway!!!
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kad3t:
Hmm... I shall give it a whirl then. Will I still be able to use my card in my mobile after applying Custom ROM later on or will I have to unlock it as well?

There's three guides there... One for ADB one for HTC Sync... Which shall I use to be able to downgrade? All of them?
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kad3t:
I finally decided to risk it and... I made it! Thank you! Thank you so much for making my day! All of the steps made no sense to me until I got to step four and it was then that I head a moment of realization that there are two different sets of drivers for direct and recovery connection.

Thank you!
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] btdag:
hehe, part i - iv are all seperate processes :) i will try and make that clearer in future :)

you only needed part iv to get the correct driver (i think) i haven't looked at that guide in a while.
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kad3t:
Yep. That's all I needed. Well, I needed you to write the guide in the very first place but that's just spliting the hair...

Thanks!

Villain 6.1 eats up most of my RAM leaving me with around 30-40MB of free memory whilst vanilla 1.5 I had about 80 at least but it's an interesting mould of 2.1. I've also tried neoROM2.1 and am waiting for Cronos 1.5 and whatever Froyo built's gonna come out first. ^__^ All thanks to YOU! ^__^
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] binny1007:
Ok I know when you buy a computer and if say you don't want Windows on it and its preinstalled you can deny the terms and conditions, and Microsoft will refund you the amount of money that windows cost.

Now using that same theory if I wright a letter to HTC saying I don't agree to there terms and conditions, than wouldn't they then have to either supply me with a stock Android Rom minus there software, or provide me with a way to remove there software, by either giving me a way to load my own Rom built from source, or give me access to system partition to remove the said software.(see were I am going with this)

Anyway if someone with some legal knowledge could school me a little bit that would be great. Thanks.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] seanmcd72:
Yes this will work. This is great..... FOR ME TO POOP ON!

Ummm, no? Did you dream this? Does Microsoft sell computers?
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] binny1007:
Ummm..... that is not true maybe you should not post if have nothing relevant to say, by the way here is some reading for you.

Http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_refund

Now back on topic
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DeeBG:
Calling in the Suits

Does the Incredible have an EULA on first boot? I am still waiting for mine so I cannot say, but I would assume when you sign up with Verizon, such rights are waved (esp. after the 30-day return period). I would assume the most they would do for you would be similar to Microsoft and give you a rebate in exchange for the device.

However, these are all assumptions on my part. I am friends with a lawyer who used to represent Olga.net (On-line Guitar Archives) when I worked with them. He managed to fend off the NMPA (kind of the music version of the MPAA) and MPA (a sister organization to the RIAA; focuses on publishing rights) for many years. Really the only reason OLGA is not running now is the admin providing the resources was told by his employer that they were no longer going to support the site once the take-down notices started to flood in and the words "possible lawsuit" were whispered.

I'll get in contact with him and post (possibly PM only) his reply, but you might also want to try and get in contact with someone at the EFF (Electronic Frontier Foundation), as this sounds right up their alley.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] binny1007:
Yes on first boot you are asked to accept the EULA.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] krelvinaz:
I think you are out of luck.

The phone is a phone first, a computer second. You can't buy the phone without the OS in it because Verizon won't allow a phone device that has not been approved on their network.

You didn't buy the phone from HTC, you bought it from Verizon. So any dispute with what you purchased is with Verizon, not HTC (Ie you can't buy the phone from HTC direct).

If you don't like Sense UI, don't buy a phone that comes with it. Your recourse which you had from the very beginning was to return the phone.

Not a lawyer...
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] binny1007:
I love sense but I'm just looking for some options.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] seanmcd72:
I'll give you $1,000,000 if you actually do this. Why? Because it will never happen. No offense, but are you truly serious or are you really really high? Do you think if I bought a video game, I could decline the license agreement and demand they provide me the source code or something? Krelvin is trying to talk some sense into you, so listen to him. Just be patient and wait for root. It will happen soon enough.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jbh00jh:
Why didn't you just buy a phone with an android os without sense. ?? :)
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] x.v_:
Verizon will just tell you to **** off. HTC isn't going to give you root access just because you deny the terms of service... Give it a shot though! :P
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] codybear:
Just wait for Root...or return the phone and get a different one.

There, done deal.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Reddog80p:
I just installed Launcher2 from Cyanogen 5.0.7 and said bye bye sense :D
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] k.electron:
flash your own rom. nobody stopped you.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DeeBG:
Come on guys, give binny a little bit of respect on this, he isn't a n00b to the Android world and he doesn't dislike HTC or Sense, he is just thinking of possible ways for us Incredible users to get root. I did run this by my lawyer friend though and he basically repeated the line a few people have come up with (that it's really Verizon that you would have to deal with and it's highly unlikely that for any reason you would be able to force their hand).

However if you still want to pursue this, I am still recommending the EFF. To start a new "action" you can sign up here.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] codybear:
Didn't mean to come off as such an a-hole as I was kinda irritated that day ahha.

but anyways, if he can accomplish this (which is highly unlikely), I'll give him all kinds of props.

If he's willing to go through with it, by all means do it...but like others have stated, Verizon will most likely be quite unwilling...
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] seanmcd72:
I'm not being disrespectful. I am being real. Binny is in dreamland if he thinks this will help/work/not be a waste of time. And no offense, but your lawyer friend didn't do that website much good as they are still shutdown, and if he successfully "fended" anyone off the website would be up and running, not shutdown with a notice about legal issues.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 5377henry:
It's just that... figure this out before worrying about taking on EULA laws and the like.

there is not there, it is their, as well as than is not than it is then

I'm too uninterested to correct the rest of your grammar.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] binny1007:
Thank you so much for correcting my grammar it was soooooo nice of you.

And I will make this clear my complaint would not be with VZW as they had no hand in anything software wise. I'm not going to feed into the trolls here. So please I ask if you have nothing productive to say than don't say it. There are 3 licenses that you are accepting, HTC's, Google's, and the open source licensing, if you accept the two of them and not HTC's than you should still be able to use you phone. That's the point I am trying to make here but thanks to everyone who felt the need to comment on this, and had nothing useful to say.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MrGoodCat:
WOW! your first post just to act like a butt.

seriously whats with all the snarly remarks people? binny asked a very straight forward question. to all those saying "get a different phone" verizon doesn't offer comparable android phone without sense, or "flash you're (thats for you 5377henry) own rom" we don't have root, hence the whole point of the question/thread.

anywho, i did not even know you could do that with windows, thanks for the info binny.

i have a feeling we would attain root before something like this could be played out through htc. i am baffled that they cut the option to go to regular android. not that i hate sense, i just like options...
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] binny1007:
Lots of people don't know that you can do that with Windows. Witch is why I thought I would ask. I just don't know the legal aspect of it.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] seanmcd72:
Why would HTC be obligated to do anything for a phone you bought from Verizon. You didn't buy it from HTC. HTC would tell you, "Talk to Verizion, I didn't sell you the phone." Just like Microsoft's Eula - you don't get a refund from MS, you would have to attempt to get it from the company that sold you the computer. (which when you are buying a retail PC, Windows costs the OEM's about $10-$20) I'd probably give you a million bucks if you managed to get a refund for Windows too, but not going there...

You are basing this on the fact that the Microsoft Eula states that if you don't accept, return it to the manufacturer for a refund.

Two major issues:

The biggest problem with this "idea", is that NONE of the Eula's on the Incredible state that if you decline, they will send you a custom OS of your choice. I honestly haven't read them, but please post them online here in case I'm wrong.

Not only that, if you own an Incredible, I doubt you have declined any of the eula's and have been using the phone since day one after having ACCEPTED them. So you are going to need to find a guinea pig to go and sign up for a two year contract, pay for an Incredible, then go home and basically never turn it on - or do it yourself with a new phone. From there you'll need a good attorney. And I think they aren't cheap judging from the jokes I always hear about them...
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] evilstan60:
So the basic idea of the windows refund is that the OEM paid money for the windows license and that cost was passed on to you. If you want to reject the license and essentially return that to the retailer they can refund you and issue that license to someone else.

HTC Sense is something created by the manufacturer of the phone and included bundled with the phone but there isn't a license that Verizon paid for it.

If you look at the Wikipedia link posted before you will notice that none of the court rulings were in the United States. So even if you could get a judge to buy that these were similar ideas and should follow the same reasoning, there isn't any legal precedent for windows refunds in the United States. All of those refunds were given through interaction with the OEM, not the courts. I also did a quick search for US court cases but could find any with any precedential value.

Basically you contracted with Verizon to buy the phone and use the software provided. If you don't agree then you can take the phone back and get a different one (30 day return policy). They won't modify the phone for you, just find a different phone.

With all of this combined I would not expect you to win a lawsuit even if you reject the EULA. The court would tell you to just get a different phone.

(Not a lawyer but am in law school)
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DeeBG:
I get where you are coming from, but I still like this idea better than asking HTC and VZW for root access via public Twitter post (no offense meant to the person who posted that idea =p). Also the lawyer wanted to fight the case, however the ISP who was hosting them for free didn't want any part of it (and they would have lost their "Safe Harbor" protection if they just ignored it). The people at the top had mostly all left and there wasn't a lot of momentum to keep them going I guess (kind of a shame though, I was getting paid 20$/hour at 15 years old just to do some easy programming =p).
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
The difference is that you didn't purchase a computer, you purchased a phone. First, everyone "trolling" is right, you purchased it from Verizon, not HTC, so Verizon is the ones that would be handling a refund for this kind of thing. Secondly, the OEM of a PC sells a license for Microsoft Windows for you to use on your PC. On the other hand, Verizon didn't sell you a phone with the license to use Android with HTC Sense UI. Instead they sold you a phone that comes with software pre-installed on it. Finally, the idea behind trying to refund Microsoft Windows is that your PC is capable of having other operating systems that can be installed onto it without any hassle.

So, let's say you were to actually be successful in rejecting the EULA for this particular version of Android. There's no guarantee that Verizon or HTC would be required to tell you how to root the device or give you any software to place on the phone, you would basically just have a phone with no software on it.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 2WheelCowboy:
Decent though process binny. I don't think it will work. Sooner or later we'll all be free, just a matter of time. I do admire the thinking on this. At least you are thinking and not just posting to up your count.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sniczz:
HTC releases their source code

Back to your original post Binny, you sure know how to incite anger from our members! :p

One of the things I found interesting is that HTC releases their source code for their Android phones on their dev site. Based on your argument I guess HTC could just tell you "if you really wanted to, you could just customize your own OS because we gave it to you."

From XDA's DI dev forum: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=674931&highlight=HTC+source+code

From HTC's dev site (source code downloads): http://developer.htc.com/

Good luck on your quest against "the man" Binny otherwise good luck on becoming a developer!
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] generic.imitation:
Personally I don't use sense ui, and I have an incredible. I like the browser with flash lite tho. I just threw open home on here. I like the dialer over the stock one, but I like having the side drawers on the home screen from open home. All the stuff I like from sense ui is still here to use, and all the stuff i loathe is gone. :)

I just wish the power draw from the android os was less than the display, makes sense ui seem like it's a resource hog.

It will be even better with root tho I agree. 2.2 looks tasty!
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] robdaemon:
If you plan on insulting someone's grammar, you should work on your own first. Your first sentence is an incomplete, run-on sentence.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TPR300C:
For those who obviously have no idea why binny is asking this, go rent a movie called "Revolution OS" and maybe you'll understand a bit more on where he is trying to go with this. Binny it would be great if this was possible but I think it would take longer to pursue than what it might take to root the Incredible. If it worked out this would be a great loophole for most phones.
[Droid Incredible Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ohwut:
The problem is that you can get a refund here without even declining the TOS. Windows, Video Games, and other such software give you a refund for the return of the licence to use it. Since you never actually own the software only a licence. With HTC/Android/Sense it's a necessary part of the functioning device. If you reject windows they give you a refund and you are revoked of your licence and you're good to go. Because HTC Sense and Android are simply free products licensed to you for a device that can function in no other way they'd probably IF anything refund the full device cost upon return. HTC Actually has the clause in the EULA(Just like any other software that instructs you on what to do if you don't accept)

So yeah, you get to return it like you could anyway.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] breezy169:
hey, i seem to be having some problems making the "usb connected" pop up on my phone when i try to mount it on my computer.

i constantly have to reboot just to mount it & its getting old. anyone have any ideas how to fix it?
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] acids7n:
Only time this happened to me was when I plugged the phone in and mounted the drive. Then I opened up disk management in windows and I would get what you do. So my suggestion check your USB drivers. Uninstall all and install HTC sync 205. Check services for disk management and you may want to stop it if on.

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[myTouch 3G, Magic General] breezy169:
thanks for the help
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] digitaljeff:
This happens to me randomly to. Still haven't figured it out. I'm running cm 5 and use OS x.

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[myTouch 3G, Magic General] acids7n:
Sorry never used Mac

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[myTouch 3G, Magic General] breezy169:
i still have have this problem, & i tried alot of stuff, does any1 else have any idea what might help?
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] joeemt:
Same issue for me but no solution found yet. Happens on both Mac and Windows for me.

I have CM 5.0.7 with engineering SPL.

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[myTouch 3G, Magic General] xtheishx:
It seems to me its a problem with CM or the kernel, I just boot into my recovery and mount the usb from there...
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] march83:
i'm using wired tether a lot at the moment and i routinely need to reboot get my USB connection back.

I'm not just talking about mounting the SD though, all i need is a connection and the "USB Connected" notification. if i do adb devices it doesn't find my phone.

computer is running ubuntu so it's obviously not O/S related

simple work around is to reboot, but it's still irritating.

has anyone logged it on the CM bug tracker?
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] march83:
a fix for this is on the CM5.08-t1 changelog, so get flashing.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] xtheishx:
When I thought I was just up to date...
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] bleedingblue:
I am having this problem running Complete Eclair v2.2.1 by Cannon202. Otherwise a great rom.

-bb
[HD2 General] foxhound494:
Hi,

I've recently bought a HD2 and I love it! I've actually started using it as my music player as it's more convenient. Coming from an iPhone and iPod Classic for my music I can't help to notice the audio quality just isn't as good with the HD2 with headphones.

I'm using a pair of Dr. Dre Monster Beat's Solo's and everything sounded alot nicer on my iPod. I've downloaded the SRS WOW sound for my HD2 and this improves sound quality although I was just wondering if anyone would have equaliser settings etc that would bring it on par with iPod's sound quality.

Thanks!!!
[HD2 General] NeoGreendawg:
I've sadly got an 80GB Ipod Classic and out of all of the MP3 players I've ever had (and believe me I've had a few, the first one I bought I paid over £150 for and it had only 32MB of memory), it's by far the worst in terms of audio reproduction whereas the HD2 sounds decent out of the box and pretty amazing with SRS WOW so you'll have to excuse me if I'm a little sceptical of your 'Apple fanboyism'... :p
[HD2 General] foxhound494:
I'm definitely not saying the HD2 sounds bad although I believe my iPod sounded better with my headphones compared to the HD2. I'm definitely not an Apple fanboy lol...
[HD2 General] NeoGreendawg:
In that case, try installing SRS WOW (http://xdaforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=330851&d=1274618355) and play around with the settings while listening to some music and I don't think that you could possibly be disappointed. If you still think that your iPod sounds better (without being rude) I think you might want to consider getting your ears syringed... :p

Instructions:

1. Install the CAB to \Device.

2. DO NOT ACCESS THE PROGRAM.

3. Soft reset your device.

4. Access it's settings from Settings ->

Source :http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=584626&highlight=srs
[HD2 General] Tunay:
One of the main reasons why I use Leo instad of my Desire is be cause of the sound quality with SRS WOW! Give it a try!
[HD2 General] M3PH:
As a person with poor hearing (hell i'm almost deaf in my right ear and my left isn't much better) i have to say with SRS WOW installed the hd2 sounds almost as good as my 5.1 surround sound speakers combined with my sound card (see below) although i would love to know how to save custom settings. As i like to have an audio profile for certain types of music in order for me to hear it better. I'm running the lastest version of SRS if that makes a difference
[HD2 General] Tunay:
Far as I know there isin't a way to save profiles yet. But it is diffrent pre-made profiles, you can try to edit them and then go back and check if it stays the same. I have not upgraded to lastetst version yet.
[HD2 General] foxhound494:
I've been playing around with the SRS WOW and listening between my HD2 and my iPod with my Monster Beats Solos and the iPod is still giving me much nicer bass.
[HD2 General] M3PH:
Go back to using your ipod then if your not satisfied. I (and many others) have no time for people that post comments like the above. Although if you are really commited to using your Leo as an mp3 player try tweaking the trubass levels or changing your headphones and if that doesn't work go see a doctor about your hyper accusis because you seem to be able to detect differences that no one else can!!!
[HD2 General] foxhound494:
If you have no time for these comments then why are you sitting here commenting. Don't comment. Why would I change $300 headphones that are completely fine? It looks like the HD2 can't produce the sound I'm looking for.
[HD2 General] edward-riko:
use GSplayer V.2.29 ,the best sound quality player

http://hp.vector.co.jp/authors/VA032810/

use the EQ (Menu/Tools/Effects/Egualizer )that the GSPlayer have to add little bass and you ok

see the attached configuration of the EQ i recommend

regards

edward
[HD2 General] cezzarmicu:
coreplayer or TCPMP+audio booster (RnB)+SRS WOW (latest version, with the revamped recommended settings) gives my HD2 much much superior sound quality over the ipod/iphone. i have owned an iphone before and i can easily say that the HD2 coupled with the above tweaks beats the iphone/ipod out of the water