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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ChumleyEX:
Suggesting where the thread was, IS helping.. :D

I often answer questions with an answer, but thats normally when someone has searched and read the Wiki.. Yes I know searching at times can be pretty hardcore, infact this is mostly the hardest place to find stuff while searching. Thanks because you have to wade through so many useless threads.. But this was in the wiki bright and clear as the sun on a cloudless day. If it were a light it would have been so bright that the folks in the space station would have to close the blinds...

Also, wouldn't you say that the Senior members (Mods included) did help by putting together the Wiki and the thread that you need? All that hard work, time and effort, they put into making that wiki..
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Mr. Clown:
And the link with the answer...that's not help?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Mr. Clown:
You are always right ChumleyEX ;)
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Palitu:
HI!

I would like an app that takes a photo every 10s, or a video that can record for an hour or two.

Basically i have some guys screwing around with me at work and wanna catch them out with out them knowing.

ie, set up my phone with the camera pointing at the 'bait' start recording, then walk away...

any ideas on if there is an app out there? or will i have to write one my self??

cheer.

Palitu
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] StefanSarzio:
I don't think it's a good idea to take photos of people without them knowing. That will bring more trouble than you might already have.

...but you could do that using Tasker (http://tasker.dinglisch.net/)
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Palitu:
heh,

no im not it trouble... they wont get in trouble either...

pretty harmless, unless they are doing things that are really unsavoury...

cheers for the tasker link.

Palitu
[Nexus One General] djpingpong:
So I was helping a customer today (I'm a Tmo Employee) with their rate plans and then started talking to him about some phones. Well he pulls out a Nexus One out of one of the stock N1 pouches and told me he FOUND this (who the hell finds free stuff like this?!) and wanted to check if it was a Tmo or ATT version because his internet wasn't working. I verified it was a Tmo version and it wasn't working for him because he had the Blackberry internet on his plan. When I asked if he wanted to change it he was like oh no I like my Blackberry. Then here is how the next part went.

Guy: Do you know anybody that would want to buy this?

Me: As a matter of fact, I'll be glad to take it.

Guy: How about $200?

Me: How about I go to the ATM next door RIGHT NOW!

So now I'm the owner of another N1 so this one goes to my GF. Buuuuuut the best part is, it isn't just the normal one. This one has the picture of the Android waving a flag on the back with no HTC branding. Hmmmmmmm... :p

Just had to share this. Was too excited about it not to! lol
[Nexus One General] jaapschaap:
Just bought your self a brand new stolen ('found' is an alternative word for stolen) N1 ;) Concrats! It's the best device with Android!
[Nexus One General] McHale:
so let me translate for you.

This guy steals an N1 and brings it in to your store and asks if you'll pay him $200 for it and you say yes.

Got it...
[Nexus One General] mortzz:
You sound like a goddamned thief to me.

Disgusting.
[Nexus One General] Alclub:
could easily track down the original owner in minutes...

but my question is, why is there an android flag and no htc branding? Is it a special phone?
[Nexus One General] musashiken:
...Search and you shall receive...

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=680179&highlight=android+flag
[Nexus One General] djpingpong:
I'm thinking it could be a Beta phone or something? Looks like one of the ones that Google employees were given and were not supposed to "sell" BUT I have heard of some that have been "lost" from employees and were bought from people. But the phone had no SIM card and looked wiped when I got it. Was at the stock 2.1 home screen.

The guy didn't "look" like he stole it. Nice guy, wife, 2 young kids. I'm pretty sure the guy found it somewhere.
[Nexus One General] grainysand:
Grats on buying stolen goods. Not the smartest thing to brag about, either.
[Nexus One General] Jack_R1:
Or possibly you've just met a Google worker that was quietly getting rid of his phone :)
[Nexus One General] xXJay_RXx:
i would have bought it too shiiiiit lol
[Nexus One General] Sistum Id:
The guy said the other guy found it. How the hell are you guys jumping to the conclusion that it's stolen?

The word "found" is similar to the word "stolen"?

So when my car stereo was missing out of my car one day, someone just found it and it actually wasn't stolen? Maybe this, I found 20 bucks on the street once but I must've stolen it right?

BTW, congrats on getting a awesome deal. Ignore the haters and you and your girlfriend enjoy the phone.
[Nexus One General] commodoor:
Damn you are really LUCKY android user. 200$ it's nothing for that phone :P
[Nexus One General] jaapschaap:
'The word "found" is similar to the word "stolen"?'

Maybe i said it wrong but i meant in this sentence it's an other word for found... And i'm not a hater just know how people are, they don't come in and say "i just stole the phone want to buy for 200 bucks?" :P That would be stupid! it's pretty clear it's stolen but i wouldn't care about it ;) I'm Happy for the new owner and wished one day someone comes to me for a cheap good as new phone for 1/3 of the origional price (i got my hero for 150 bucks @ releaseday, found by someone i know ;))
[Nexus One General] bumskins:
Grats on capitalising on someone elses misfortune.

I'd gladly buy your phone if it was found/stolen rather than try and track you down. (/not. it's very easy to track down the owner of a lost phone for which i have done multiple times).

Did you keep the guys contacts & messages on their or just go and delete them? so as not to spark your conscience. How about when you were deleting the owners google login details to put your own in its place? did that make you feel all light and giddy too?
[Nexus One General] ScaredyCat:
You work for T-Mobile, someone brings in a T-Mobile version of the N1 and you buy it rather than trying to find the owner on your internal system?

Morally bankrupt

SC
[Nexus One General] David Horn:
If I worked in your store and someone brought in a "found" phone, then (a) it wouldn't have left the store again, and (b) I would NEVER, EVER, have offered to buy it. Totally reprehensible.

If you find something it doesn't automatically become yours. You're no better than a common thief. In fact, you're worse, because you knowingly paid money for it.

I'd expect the manager to back me up on (a) and help track the original owner down. I can assure you that if you worked for me and I found out about this, you'd be out of the door so quick you'd wonder what happened.
[Nexus One General] djpingpong:
There was no SIM card in the phone. No contacts. Nothing at all. To me it looked like it was wiped which I'm sure the dude didn't do cause he had no clue how to use this phone or his phone which I might add.
[Nexus One General] djpingpong:
No way to track down people from IMEI's :-/
[Nexus One General] codesplice:
I'll give OP the benefit of the doubt based on his story of how the events went down.

People lose phones all the time... that's why applications like WaveSecure exist. Without having any such application on the phone, it gets to be rather difficult to find the owner - especially if all data has been wiped from the device. Without a SIM card, there's not really anything to tie the device to its previous owner.

It is kinda sketch, but I don't think the OP is in the wrong here.
[Nexus One General] tomfreay:
I give it a week before its IMEI blocked
[Nexus One General] djpingpong:
IMEIs can't get blocked.
[Nexus One General] djmcnz:
Nobody can claim it's stolen so don't spout off. Heck, in some jurisdictions it can't even be considered stolen unless the original owner reports it as lost.

The moral debate I shall reserve opinion on.

However, I suspect that you have possibly been complicit in insurance fraud. Whether it was lost or stolen is irrelevant. If you have reason to believe the original owner may have made an insurance claim (and you do) then you have an obligation (under most jurisdictions) to take reasonable steps to advise the appropriate authorities.

For an average citizen it is easy to dispense with this obligation.

However, you actually work for the company who's customer lost/misplaced/had stolen a phone. This makes your obligation to identify and report greater than that of the average citizen. This is to say that you will be held to a higher standard than the average citizen (in this case). The minimum you are obliged to do is advise your direct manager. You could arguably go beyond that but probably shouldn't because you could contravene company privacy policy. Upon advising your manager then they should have taken possession of the handset on behalf of the company and sent it to your lost and found department (or the appropriate CS team).

Having said all that, good fortune befalls the lucky and I don't know if I would have done anything different than you did... I just wanted to point out that those that are saying "stolen" are clearly just ill informed (no doubt by themselves).
[Nexus One General] m00moo:
uhm yes they can. being a TMO employee you should know that when you report a device missing the IMEI gets black listed and all local operators will fail to register. :rolleyes:
[Nexus One General] djmcnz:
And you work for a telco?

Of course they can be blocked... it's called a blacklist and it's in place at every major operator...
[Nexus One General] JanetPanic:
Not in the United States. I am not aware of any carrier in the US that has implemented IMEI blacklisting.

On topic I tend to agree there is something fishy going on when a man walks into a T-Mo store proclaiming to have found a wiped, SIM absent, holiday N1. (The flag waving android is the backplate for the N1's google handed out to their employees prior to launch. it used to go to a memory game IIRC,) Either it was stolen (then wiped) or he knew about the phone, the sellers story is just not credible. Just based on the fact he tried it with his sim shows he knew enough to be able to remove any installed sim.

That said if it was wiped and had no sim then in the U.S. I do not know of any way to track it unless you (as a T-Mo employee) can search by IMEI for registered devices.

Have fun with the phone.
[Nexus One General] djmcnz:
I can assure you they do. Whether this is ever offered as a customer service or promoted I do not know. It's a fundamental GSM service that is always enabled, it's simply standard GSM engineering practice.

If a carrier needs to block an IMEI they can. With all respect, to believe otherwise is a little naive.
[Nexus One General] djpingpong:
Worked here for 3 years. To my knowledge we have no blocks on IMEI numbers. We get phones stolen, yes actually STOLEN, quite often and these people can actually activate it allege phones. The only thing some stores will do is send out an email to the local region to just confiscate these phones if we come across the IMEI. However this rarely happens and most of these phones end up getting activated.

And no we can no longer track people down by IMEIs but we can still track by SIM card numbers. Believe it or not I have helped A LOT of people locate phones from the many years I have been working.

But cmon now. I buy a phone that has absolutely no trace of the original owner, no contacts, messages, sim card, and which we have no idea where it came from in the first place and it is that big of a deal to some peeps? I personally don't think it is a huge deal. :rolleyes:
[Nexus One General] mcp2009:
Awesome deal man i would of jumped on it to, and about the whole IMEI blocking thing I know for a fact that T-Mobile in the U.S. doesn't do it because I've gotten a couple phones stolen the latest being a G1 last year and they said there is nothing they can do and I asked if they were allowed to block the IMEI number or at least see the phone number being used with the IMEI number and they said they had no way of doing it and they said the same thing to my sister when her dash got stolen.

I think the only phone that can be blocked is a sidekick because when you get one you have to register the IMEI with T-Mobile and if I'm not mistaken a couple years ago a bunch of Sidekick LX's got stolen and they blocked them all from being activated
[Nexus One General] JanetPanic:
Coming at it from someone who has had a phone stolen, and went to a great deal of effort and research on the subject, the major GSM carriers in the US do not implement IMEI blocking (at least as of 2 years ago).

In answer to why it is a big deal to some of us see the previous sentence. I do not think it is a huge deal, but something in the sellers story is not kosher.
[Nexus One General] JanetPanic:
It is a capability of the carrier who uses an EIR, or equivalent, to deny service. It is not a feature of the service or the phone.
[Nexus One General] leoni1980:
If it were a normal N1 it could easily be tracked back to its original owner simply with the serial number. N1s bought through Google can be directly sourced back to the registered account holder. They wont get blocked though.

So it depends how conscientious you are. If you send me the serial number I will be able to find you the original owner and you can ask HTC to see if they mind you keeping it if you like ;-)
[Nexus One General] Rusty!:
Wonder if the reason it was blank (considering you say the customer would have had no idea how to do it) is down to WaveSecure/something similar?
[Nexus One General] djmcnz:
Semantics really as T-Mobile US has multiple EIR's (and I realise it has nothing to do with the phone).

My point was that making no effort whatsoever to determine history, when you actually work for a carrier, is below the standard a reasonable person (legalese) in this position would probably be expected to satisfy.

Again, I'm not saying (or didn't mean to say) T-Mobile offers a blacklist service to its customers...

Also, as I said before, I don't know if I would have done anything different to the OP... I just don't think people can assume it's "stolen"...
[Nexus One General] martin0285:
that would be awesome..... OP I would keep this phone with YOU and not your GF..... Some big hairy man may track you down and mug ya!!!! HAHA
[Nexus One General] nazrin313:
Do you wanna sell it for $201 ???
[Nexus One General] McHale:
I'm confused. You say here that it had no SIM card when he brought it in to you. But earlier you stated it was working but the internet wasn't.

So which is it?

I also find it reprehensible that you, as a T-Mobile employee purchased stolen goods. Whether the guy that brought it in to you snagged it out of some guy's car or pocket is irrelevant to me. It didn't belong to him and you knew it didn't belong to him. If it was perfectly legal to buy "lost" phones, do you think that the "lost" iPhone prototype would have gotten so much press?

Tack on another reason I hate T-Mobile.

-Mc
[Nexus One General] wesbalmer:
Okay, you need to go back and read what he wrote. It was clearly stated the the customer was trying his SIM card within the device, and the service plan he had, for blackberry, wouldn't work correctly with the Nexus One, not the T-mobile employee's SIM.

I have always been the guy who gets things stolen from me, only god knows why, I've had my Verizon Moto Q (Surely its possible that on a CDMA proprietary band they could possibly use another method of ID'ing a phone rather than IMEI) returned after being stolen and tried to activated, and 'lost' my AT&T Tilt but later found it and had to bring it into an AT&T store because neither my or my dads sim cards would work. Sure, its possible that there is another way to accomplish this without IMEI but it seems from my troubleshooting techniques its very likely that this has occurred in my situation
[Nexus One General] gIMpSTa:
It's pretty convenient to just read between the lines, eh?

"I verified it was a Tmo version and it wasn't working for him because he had the Blackberry internet on his plan."

Clearly, the guy had a tmo sim in his blackberry and put it in the n1.

I'm not going to get into the moral stolen/found/blah argument. Congrats OP on having a googler's n1 in your possession.
[Nexus One General] KidTech:
I've heard T-mobile doenst block IMEI, they only block it on phones that HAVE BEEN STOLEN FROM THEIR STORES OR WAREHOUSE. I havent heard people losing thier phones and getting the IMEI blocked..Anyways congrants, this guy didnt steal it he bought. Its possible the guy who sold him the phone found it and the data was wiped remotely. Happened to my friend found a B.B on a bus but no information nothing was on it, how do you contact the owner then?
[Nexus One General] rjhay22:
Come on guys , stop being a hypocrite . if you were in his shoes you woulda done the same , i know i would . so don't hate, congratulate!
[Nexus One General] DocSnyd3r:
Hmm what if WaveSecure is on the sys partition and this guy has your number forwarded to the police? Would surely help if you are at least trying to find the owner by the serial.

And what is the plausible theory someone wiped it and dumped it?
[Nexus One General] KidTech:
Your assuming the phone is stolen, it could of been found by the other guy. Again hes not guilty since he doesnt know if its stolen or found, also the OP stated their was no info on the phone..Depending on which jurisdiction he lives it, this might not be illegal..
[Nexus One General] ohgood:
theif

you are a T-Mobile employee and can locate the rightful owner easily. I guess greed won this one already. what q shame.

the old men I work with usually say "you KNOW it isn't yours so pit the goddamned tool down!"
[Nexus One General] krumb:
This whole thread has turned into stupidity.

"you bought stolen goods, blah blah blah."

prove it?

the guy bought a phone from another guy. big frickin' deal. quit making assanine assumptions that it was stolen.

everyone comes into the thread to flex their morality and show off their awesome ethics. just shut up and take the thread for what it's worth.

kudos to the OP for snagging a used googler n1 at a great price.
[Nexus One General] din0_22:
Congrats!!!

To the OP congrats on your new phone!!! i bet your GF will love it!

Don't mind all these Hypocrites... They are just all JEALOUS.

The truth is, if this situation will ever happen to anyone here??? I know they will grab this opportunity right away.

bunch of haters.. because apparently you guys don't have the capacity to buy a 2nd Nexus one in full price.. haha!
[Nexus One General] SBERG117:
Oil crisis in the gulf wiping out the fishing industry and people are stressing over a phone. Way to to keep your priorities in order people.
[Nexus One General] BigDamHero:
Really? Where would it not be illegal? (Genuine question I am interested).

The law in most countries (I’m only really familiar with the UK but I believe the US and most other places are similar) is very reluctant to declare something “lost” (i.e. the owners ownership of the item ceases). In this sense nothing is ever really “lost” (in the eyes of the law it still belongs to someone at the end of the day!).

So lost vs found is a bit of a nonsense debate. You don’t acquire ownership of something because you find it. Finders-Keepers doesn’t work in court.

Not sure where I stand on the moral issue here, but legally I think it is unquestionably a risky thing to do and post about! In the UK (again sorry I don’t know US law) you would certainly be looking at an offence under the Proceeds of Crime Act not to mention the Theft Act. Its definitely reasonable to suspect that the phone was stolen as the guy would have aroused the suspicion of a reasonable person when he told the OP what he did.
[Nexus One General] fubaya:
You can get an N1 from T-Mobile for $179-$279, depending on whether you have a contract or not. How is this such a awesome deal? Sounds to me like you got a used phone of questionable origins for slightly more or less than retail on a new one.
[Nexus One General] din0_22:
well.. let's put it this way..

The OP does not want to get another 2 yr contract for his GF or maybe that her GF is not up with the 2 yr contract yet?

Go to the Nexus one website and see how much will the OP will have to pay?? heh? a whopping $529.00... yup..

$529.00+tax and shipping

- 200.00 (no tax or whatever)

------------

$329.00 (The OP have just saved excluding tax and shipping)
[Nexus One General] BigDamHero:
Most retarded thing I’ve heard someone say today.
[Nexus One General] din0_22:
You sounded just like my neighbor after seeing me pulling up in a Mercedes benz in my driveway.. J-E-A-L-O-U-S.
[Nexus One General] BigDamHero:
Why? Had somone "found" the Mercedes somewhere and sold it to you at a discount? :->

But in all seriousness, not jealous. As I say I don't know where I stand on it morally... I woulnd't have done the same but then its too risky for me.

I know you were dying to say it, but I think that would have been a better reply to some of the other posts :-p You didn’t pick your moment.
[Nexus One General] krumb:
correction...your post regarding the legalities of the OP purchasing the phone was pretty ignorant.

the guy bought a phone, who cares...flex your online muscle somewhere else.
[Nexus One General] BigDamHero:
You're right. I was wrong. THIS is the most retarded thing I've heard today.
[Nexus One General] RogerPodacter:
the only reason i dont quite buy this is because the guy "wanted to know if it was the ATT or tmobile version". if this guy was so clueless and had no idea about the nexus, then how would he really know there was even 2 different versions out there? even searching that info out its not quite clear. i still have people over in the ATT forum tell me "oh you mean there is an ATT version of the nexus now?"
[Nexus One General] McHale:
When Apple lost the iPhone prototype in the bar, Gawker media and Jason Chen are the ones being brought up on charges for BUYING the "found" device and the guy who found it and sold it, nothing.

Sound familiar? Even up to the phone being a non-consumer model...

The fact that he's a T-Mobile employee is what's the most sickening here. The guy who sold it to him clearly stated it wasn't rightfully his and the OP bought it from him. I would think since his job as a T-Mobile employee supposedly doing the right thing for T-Mobile customers would enrage others. He could have very easily found out who the rightful owner is and gotten it to him. Instead he chose to be greedy and get a good deal for himself. He sounds like a guy who would flip options on your account because he doesn't feel he makes enough commission.

If you guys want to condone theft and resale of cell phones, go at it. Some of us still have morals.