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[Desire General] shaundalglish:
@boge

The iPhone is better at nothing.

No, the speaker is not better and neither is the multitouch (how often do you have to cross an axis on the screen with two fingers at a time? Right: Never. And how often do you use more than two fingers? Come on...)
[Desire General] samac92:
:S its not. As far as I'm aware they both play the same formats? (until that update comes out that enables divx playback)

Also the iPhone has a quite a few video streaming apps, which let you stream any video from your pc (over 3g or wifi) from any format as it converts it on the fly, effectively making it a device that plays any format with limitless storage.

Sadly no such app exists for android (Im hoping someone develops one, please?)
[Desire General] shaundalglish:
@Inquitus

Multiformat video player? Are you kidding? You do know that the Desire already plays a lot more formats than the iPhone?

Somehow I get the feeling you've never seen a Desire...
[Desire General] Inquitus:
I own a Desire and an iPod touch, my wife has a 3GS. Are you basing all your comments on the specs of both, or have you actually experienced using both on a daily basis?

On Spec the Desire should massacre the iPod/iPhone for video playback, but due to the poor mediaplayers, its as limited as the ipod on formats, and delivers a poorer viewing experience.
[Desire General] Inquitus:
avi and mkv are the only 2 video formats that matter, being as all readily available TV and Movie downloads come in those formats. Neither the iphone or the desire play either, which means I must convert any downloads before they can be played.
[Desire General] craigcrawford1988:
This comment pretty much sums up apple users:
[Desire General] shaundalglish:
I've owned an iPhone until recently.

To be honest, I think you either don't own a Desire or you are lying. Sorry, but what you said about the screen is complete nonsense. The iPhone's screen can not display full black, it's always more or less blue depending on the angle from which you look at it. The Desire's screen is AMOLED, which means black is always 100% black, because the pixels just don't light up. It is not backlit like the iPhone's LCD screen.

There is no way the iPhone's screen could display darker blacks and higher contrast and from looking at both side by side, it's so obvious how much netter the Desire's screen is that I really wonder how you can come up with such nonsense?
[Desire General] samac92:
erm, a few examples of the multitouch problem:

1. keyboard - the desire doesn't come with a multitouch keyboard, so i downloaded one. When typing fast and i hit 2 keys at once it selects a key somewhere in the middle of the two. Not sure if this is because of the screen but its extremely annoying.

2. games - im pretty sure all the fps games on the iphone wouldn't work well because of this issue. Any two player games also wouldn't work (such as pong)

3. mouse for my pc - trying to click with one finger and drag with the other won't work properly

and saying the iphone is better at nothing shows you are a complete and utter google fanboy.

there are about 200,000 apps on the app store and almost all of them are of far higher quality than anything on android. that is definitely not "nothing"

and the smoothness/fluidness/consistent UI of the iPhone OS makes android look like its still in beta.
[Desire General] rovex:
Something is wrong with your desire then. In comparison to a friends brand new 3GS my desire is MUCH brighter and the text is a mile clearer and sharper. Its not even funny how superior it is

Age is no excuse. The Touch HD has 2.5x as many pixels as the iPhone and is over a year old as well.

Inquitus, no offence but Coreplayer is an overpriced joke. There are plenty of movie players on Android that do a good job, Coreplayer would just struggle to find a way to justify its usual stupid price.
[Desire General] foxmeister:
I suggest that you may have a problem with your Desire then. I have absolutely zero problems playing MP4s encoded for the iPod Touch on my Desire using Handbrake - I encode for the iPod so my wife can watch the same movies /programmes on her iPod.

I do think the iPod Touch is a great device though - my wifes is a 1st generation and it is still going strong. However, my blacks are true black whereas hers are not! :)

Regards,

Dave
[Desire General] shaundalglish:
1. is because of the software, not the screen

2. you can program almost any game so that there is no issue. pong is a valid example, but come on... you don't buy a crappy phone just because you can play pong on it instead of a much better phone

3. is again the fault of the software

And no, I am not a Google fan but yes, the iPhone is better at nothing (except MAYBE games - but not even the AppStore because of the censorship that does not allow many useful applications.
[Desire General] Inquitus:
Theres not one movieplayer on Android that plays the most common downloaded video types - avi and mkv. Apples video format limitations are due to apples idiotic policy, Android is an open OS with cutting edge hardware phones, but it is still as limited as an iPhone in media format playback........I have to convert everything I download no matter which I have.....
[Desire General] craigcrawford1988:
190,000 of those apps are fart buttons. HURRR DURR LOOK A FART BUTTON! IPHONE IS AWESOME!

But on a more serious note, even the iPad's screen is an absolute shambles. Why choose IPS with LED backlighting? Why not AMOLED? If you're going to charge extortionate prices, then give them an extravagant product.
[Desire General] shaundalglish:
And your iPod plays avi, right? What's with those double standards?

And btw. afaik there is an avi player for Android (which would of course not be allowed on the iPhone).
[Desire General] Inquitus:
No, my ipod plays my avis converted to MP4 better than my Desire plays them, given I have to convert them to play on either anyways.
[Desire General] craigcrawford1988:
You know I would absolutely LOVE to convert one of my 1080p movies to 720p and play it on the Desire to see you weep.

Though I really can't be bothered since you would still say "OMG APPLE RULES".
[Desire General] Inquitus:
I think you are missing the point here, I don't think apple rules, I bought a Desire instead of a 3GS a month ago, I could even have held on for the new iPhone if I was an apple fanboi.

I am very happy with my Desire, and happy with the decision I made, my only issue is that my Desire is very poor in regard to video playback, I like to watch TV on my commute and have used my iPod touch for years, I expected the Desire to be more versatile in formats and deliver a better viewing experience, only it doesn't so I still use my ipod touch everyday.

The only fanbois here are the people who think the Desire is better than the iphone/ipod in every facet, when clearly it still has a ways to go in some areas, I would take my desire over an iphone again tomorrow, but that doesn't mean i have to blindly ignore its few limitations.
[Desire General] samac92:
who cares whats at fault? I don't care if the reason is the software or the hardware, both is what makes up the phone!
[Desire General] samac92:
I hope you don't actually think his is true..

and seriously, search "fart" on the android market, i think you'll be surprised how many there are :P
[Desire General] shaundalglish:
It's third party software and you blame the phone. That is stupid.

@Inquitus I'm pretty sure it's your own fault, whatever you're doing wrong, but the Desire is definitely better for video playback with a much better screen and better codec support.
[Desire General] samac92:
Exactly what I'm trying to get across.
[Desire General] igotit989:
well i just wanted to put my thought in on this seeing as i have a iphone 3gs running 4.0 beta 4 and i love the iphone but really untell you jailbreak it you are limited once you do that you can do anything you want including not paying for apps from the appstore (witch is not something i personaly approve of) but each phone has there good and bad points but its all what you like more i know personaly ill stick with the iphone (and will get a 4g when they comeout) and for my wife we are doing Htc phones right now just seeing what phone will be the best for her.
[Desire General] foxmeister:
That is incorrect.

Samsung and LG both support DivX on their Android phones, and the Archos Android tablets probably support the widest array of codecs that you get get in a device.

My point is that it is not Android per se, because individual ISVs do have the ability to bring these features to a device because it is an open OS.

The fact that HTC have chosen not to do so is a mystery, though they did dangle the carrot that Desire would be getting an update to support DivX.

Regards,

Dav
[Desire General] samac92:
How the hell is that stupid???

If the iPhone has better third party software, then that is something the iPhone does better than Android. You can't just say its third party so it doesn't matter.

It's like someone saying that Macs are crap for gaming as there's hardly any games (except for steam now) and then the mac user saying it doesn't matter because the games are third party.

who cares who makes them? the fact is one is better than the other because of the third party software.
[Desire General] jimlad:
I could be wrong here but hasn't the apple app store been around a long time, they kinda set the bar for app stores, right? well it seems to me arguing the toss over the apple store being better is a bit daft considering the short amount of time the Android one has been going.
[Desire General] samac92:
The android market opened 3 months after the app store, so no not really.

I think there are many reasons why the app store is better, such as fragmentation. Having only one phone to develop for is far easier than developing for all the many different android phones. Also as Apple have the power to reject apps that are buggy you'll find apps are more reliable.
[Desire General] shaundalglish:
I was talkink about blaming bugs in third party software on the phone, which is indeed stupid.
[Desire General] shaundalglish:
And btw. the Apple AppStore is not at all better.

Nobody needs 200000 applications. You only need one for every purpose and Android is better at that, because there's no censorship.

Nobody needs 10 apps that do the same. Many useful ones are not allowed on the AppStore, that's why the Android Market is better.

And fragmentation is indeed not an issue. That's what iPhone fanboys bring up when they can't find other arguments anymore. But in fact, developers actually say it's easier to make an app work on 50 different Android devices than on a new version of the iPhone OS.
[Desire General] samac92:
is there an app to stream video from my computer to my phone? no.

does my bank do an android app? no.

is there a kindle app for android? no.

is there an amazon app? no.

is there an official ebay app? no.

ikea app? no.

tesco app? no.

met office app? no.

metro app? no.

rightmove? no.

radio times? no.

just a few apps i can think of off the top of my head that i used to use. there are thousands more that just plain don't exist on android. and for the ones that exist on both such as facebook, the iphone counterpart is far better.

and don't get me started on games, there were better games on the app store on day one of the app store opening than there is on the android market today. and I am not exaggerating.

and who cares if they have to be approved by apple? name me some decent apps you can get on android that apple wouldn't allow (theres a few, but no way near as many as that android is lacking) the app store approval makes sure the apps are good quality and are malware free. on android recently there was a banking app that stole everyones bank details, great.
[Desire General] shaundalglish:
Well I'm not going to debate this, because what you are doing is talking about your personal needs, which really makes no sense.

Fact is the AppStore is censored and lots of stuff is simply not allowed, which especially over time will make it a lot easier to find what you're looking for on Android, but not the iPhone.

Whether this is the case now depends solely on personal needs and it makes no sense to debate this. But there can't be any denying that censorship sucks and the Android Market is or at least will be (based on pesonal needs) better than the AppStore because of that issue.
[Desire General] samac92:
It doesn't suck because it's not censorship. Apple won't let in apps that give the user a bad experience, such as malware.

So now your basically admitting that the app store is better, but one day the android market should be better because it has no one to check which apps go on there? Great, give me a call when that day comes.
[Desire General] shaundalglish:
Bull****. It is censorship. And it has nothing to do with the users' experience, they just keep competition out.

Like alternative media players. I find MixZing on Android to be much better than the iPod app. Thankfully alternative music players are allowed on Android. And disallowing them has NOTHING to do with the user experience - it's censorship, plain and simple.

And no I'm not saying it will be better. I'm saying whether it is better now depends on personal needs and in the future, it will be better for everyone, unless Apple removes the restrictions.
[Desire General] 554321:
I see your point, so thats why there is like 27 different applications literally on voices of farts on the app store ?

Just because its open source does not mean Google are welcoming all the malware and spyware they can get to their Android Market, please abide by common sense. Having said that have you ever heard of an Android virus ? There are plenty of FREE anti-virus apps in the Android Market in the first place.
[Desire General] shaundalglish:
Tell me why keeping out alternative media players is not censorship... or why keeping out Google Voice is not censorship? Or why keeping out caricatures that otherwise appear in every newspaper is not censorship? Or why keeping out anything erotical (except of course the big names...) is not censorship?

It is. It is exactly the same kind of censorship that happens in countries like China or Iran. They all say it's to protect the people, but in reality, it only is to protect themselves from any competition or keep out content they personally don't like. That's censorship and it's exactly what Apple does in the AppStore.

And that censorship ultimately degrades the user experience - a price they pay for keeping competition and unwanted content out - and makes the Android Market better. Thinking that this is anything else but censorship that would even make a better experience is just stupid - there's no way keeping out alternative players, dialers... could in any way make a better experience - it saves Apple from competition and that's the whole point. And in the end, it prevents iPhone users from getting all the apps they want to have a better experience with their phone - a restriction that is not there on Android.

You don't need 10 apps that do all the same - you need one for every purpose, something that is simply not possible to achieve in a censored environment. I'm not saying everyone can already find any app for Android, but in the end, it doesn't matter whether it's a million apps vs. 250000, all that matters is whether there is an app for everything you want to do, which will be achieved on Android, but not on the iPhone. For now, it depends on personal needs, whether you find more of what you want on Android or the iPhone, they're both still lacking - but at least, on Android, you can be sure you will get everything. Not so on the iPhone.
[Desire General] samac92:
Not sure what you're trying to say here - a search on the android market for "fart" brings up 94 results.

And quite recently there was a banking app on the android market that stole every ones banking details.

Again, you are just demonstrating that you don't know what you are talking about. There ARE replacement media apps on the app store, soundhound is just one of them (plays your music library and identifies songs through the mic). Theres also spotify, last fm, pandora, all the usual stuff.

And so what if apple dont want to sell "erotical" apps? if you want that kind of stuff, use the web browser, no one is stopping you. If you want adult apps, thats one area where the android market beats the app store.

and thats the point - there ISN'T an app for everything most people want to do on android, they search for their favourite iphone apps and there is no equivalent on android - that sucks whichever way you look at it. Yes ok theoretically in the future these might be created, but thats a maybe, and by then there will be new apps on the app store that won't be available on the android market.

I can't believe you look at the app store, see that there is about 4 times as many apps (more than that actually, seeing as the market is full of ringtones and wallpapers and app themes), all of which are guaranteed to run on the iphone and are all of higher quality and you say that's a bad thing.

your point about google voice is about your only valid point however, i don't know why it's not been accepted yet but if you really want GV then you just jailbreak. frankly i couldn't care less as its not even available in the uk.

Edit: anyway I'm not going to argue any more. My point is that the app store has more apps, and better quality apps. The android market isn't monitored like the app store, but whether or not that is a good thing depends on the user. The app store may be missing one or two apps because they aren't allowed, but in my opinion the apps that are available on the app store that aren't on the android market more than make up for those few emissions. That is all.
[Desire General] 554321:
i'm saying if their are 27 fart applications on the iPhone Store, i'm not sure they are trying to avoid bad experience for their customers.

i don't know how far your trying to push the word "recently", this happened way back in December 2009, the app didn't even target First Tech customers (The company that reported the problem) it was then removed from the Android Market immediately, no one has reported any stolen money off their bank since, the Android Market has changed dramatically in the past 6 months.
[Desire General] kapi:
My Desire can read these medias formats :

4xm,8bps,aac,ac3,eac3,amv,ape,dca,imc,alas,rm,rmvb ,nuv,ptx,tta,wma,wmv,flic,

flac,flv,g726,h261,h263,h264,mp1,mp2,mp3,mp4,smc,t mv,dvdsub,dvbsub

With this app.....

xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=642713
[Desire General] craigcrawford1988:
Wow you are extremely backwards just like apple on how computers are going.

is there an app to stream video from my computer to my phone? Yes.

does my bank do an android app? Web-browser

is there a kindle app for android? Yes

is there an amazon app? Web-browser

is there an official ebay app? Web-browser

ikea app? Web-browser

tesco app? Web-browser

met office app? Web-browser

metro app? Web-browser

rightmove? Web-browser

radio times? Web-browser

Computers are moving towards web-browser but all you apple fanboys still cry out the thousands of apps are better than one app doing it all.
[Desire General] rovex:
This is because of the hardware in mobile phones. The CPUs in these devices are puny. They just cant play these formats back without hardware acceleration. If they dont have it they cant do it, open OS or not. They same is true on the Winmo HD2. or TG01 which have the same processor as the desire. They can play some files but need 3rd party players to do it, just like the desire needs yxflash.

Apple censorship isnt just about competition, its also about what they perceive as 'moral standards'. No porn, nothing that references the term 'gay' (even on travel or search apps), websites that are iPad optimised must have no sexual content whatsoever in any form (not even nude statues in art photography!!), iPhone sites are to follow, which will impact us because many iPhone sites are now the main generic mobile site as well. The whole situation sucks and is insulting to the consumer.
[Desire General] boge:
Can you tell me what you did to your Desire to have the speaker sound in par with iPhone3GS? I am using Desire, and 2 guys in my office also using Desire, and the quality of the speaker is kindda disappointing. For sure it still better than my old Diamond, but still not good enough.

Maybe you know how to tweak it?

Regarding the multitouch.. come on... if you don't use it, doesn't mean that everyone won't use it too..

I was a WM user, who hates iPhone from the very beginning (just like every WM user..). I don't like the way their censorship policy, the way they dictate users and developers and they act like they are the one who invent smartphone. Moreover, I don't like the way apple fanboys defend iPhone, and claim that iPhone is like a gift from God.

But to be honest, iPhone is the first usable smartphone out of the box, afaik, the first WM device that usable out of the box is HD2.

Also they are the one who think about nice things like multitouch. I own WM for years, and I don't understand why Microsoft never think about it.

Also, just like what we do to root Desire, iPhone also can be jailbreaked only with one click, and after that it can use a lot of useful apps from Cydia.

I just bought Desire last month, and I never regret it. I choose Desire over iPhone or Blackberry. I still brag about it to my friends that using iPhone or BB.

But come on guys... Desire is not perfect! Don't act like those apple fanboys. It's irritating.

Btw, if anyone knows how to improve Desire's speaker please tell me... I hate to use earphone to watch youtube.

One other thing.. if Desire has a 3D acc, why my friend's Droid can play 3D game smoother than Desire. How to improve it?
[Desire General] EroThraX:
Where did you get that iPad optimization stuff from, as far as I know that is all down to the website owner Apple dare not go so far as to censor the internet. There are Adult sites optimised for iPad usage already.
[Desire General] rovex:
Apple are sneaky, they cannot force sites to do it, but they will simply not approve any apps for those sites that refuse to follow the 'guidelines'. Its already happening. Its even been suggested that future updates will block sites delivering such content if they look for the iPad identification string.
[Desire General] jimlad:
yes my mistake i assumed it had been around as long as the iphone, I have never owned one...

Iphone 29th June 2007 >> SDK release 6th March 2008 >> App store 10th July 2008.

Android SDK 12 Nov 2007 >> 1st droid phone & app market released together 22 Oct 2008

I have drawn my conclusions :D

btw my Pears are nicer than your Apples :p ;)
[Desire General] panos123:
I've bricked two iphones as a result of jailbreaking and then crashing. Bricked because dirty apple will no longer allow you to restore to a previous fw. Which meant i couldn't unlock.
[Desire General] jmpmjmpm:
LMAO you guys pics just reminded me I can view the forums in landscape mode!!! DOH:o

p.s. had to cut off half the quote as I am not allowed to post links as I am a new user... only been registered for 3+years lol. clever forum (not!)