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[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Ganondolf:
I believe someone is MS has said it is based on CE6 with features of CE7 added, so its probably somewhere between the two.

MS probably did this as CE7 was not finalised when the started making WP7 so they used CE6 and added features of CE7 that was being made for CE7 by the CE team (dont know what department makes the CE stuff).

I expect that MS could update to the full version of CE7 with a system update (I expect MS to have a major update each year like apple does).
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Ganondolf:
Im not sure if anyone outside of MS knows the answer to this question but would like your views on what you think the answer could be.

I the Customization guide it say that OEM can only add 6 apps that together are no larger that 60mb.

So can a company this Asus who make the Garmin-Asus phones make a wp7 handset with the satnav built-in? (this would be a lot larger than 60mb)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] vangrieg:
Maps can be a separate download.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] hasan1st:
This is what I heard too.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] RustyGrom:
Da_G explained it in a previous thread.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Ganondolf:
I was speaking about the quote from the microsoft guy, as i feel his explanation of why there is confusion if its CE6 or CE7 is better for us to get a understanding of the situation.

yes but that would mean that we would have to download a gig or so of maps to the handset or zune software after purchase.

Also does anyone know how big a satnav software is without the maps and voices as i still think it would be large and the OEM only has a cobined total of 60mb for all 6 apps.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] RustyGrom:
Right but it's rather unlikely that MS would ship WP7 with a pre-production OS. It just wouldn't really make much sense. What Da_G said, and I agree with, is that MS will likely RTM both at the same time (or close). MS has talks planned at their Tech Ed conference next month on things like "WEM308 | Windows Embedded Overview: Demos of the Latest and Upcoming Releases". They haven't announced CE7 but it sounds like they will before then or at TechEd.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Ganondolf:
This could be true but its best to remember that CE is not the WP7 OS but only the code the OS is built on so its very possible they could release the WP7 OS like it is now (CE6 + extra code) and then add extra code later (Full CE7).

In the end i dont think it will make a lot of difference to the end user as if they change it to full CE7 they wont have enough time to add the features launch so the added code wont change anything to the next update (around a year later if they go the apple route).

We will have to wait and see what code the finished launch roms use.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] ronan675:
I believe Windows Phone 7 is actually based on the Windows CE 6 core with custom add-ons. This would make sense as CE7 is not reached RTM yet and from a development perspective it wouldn't be good to base your new Phone experience on an unfinished base OS. It would also make synchronization of the development between the two teams very complicated.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] steve10:
I wouldn't put it past them. They shipped Windows ME with a late beta build of IE5.5. While I hope they do it right from the start, it also wouldn't surprise me if they rely on that Microsoft-controlled update service a lot in order to get WP7 out the door so they can continue development and update the OS between the time it RTM's and carriers begin selling the phones to consumers. And don't get me wrong, I can't wait for WP7 regardless. Barring some major setback, I am 95% sure I will be in line to pick up a WP7 phone during the first weeks of its release.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] walshieau:
Sorry but that is incorrect, CE7 is due to RTM in July, with WP7 due to RTM in October. That is why they are using it now... Its to make sure the CE7 core is bedded down properly, which should help with perf moving forward.

The core is and has always been CE7.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Ganondolf:
so what your trying to say is that Microsoft was wrong when they said it is using CE6+ added bits from CE7 and you are right lol.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] RustyGrom:
WHen did they say that? Please provide a source. They've never come out and said exactly what it is.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Ganondolf:
They did, i will have to find the source for you but it was on one of the windows phone 7 dev blogs. I got the link form twitter (wp7dev).

Was about 2 weeks ago i think. They answered it as there was a lot of confusion and they wanted to clear it up.

UPDATE

ok i could not find the blog page that i saw but here is a link to Mary-Jo-Foley at ZDNET. On this page she talks about the core asking the microsoft spokesman about the core and he gives you the answer that its based on the 6.0 R3 core, but he words it in a way that makes it confusing to understand. Then look at the end of the page where it says UPDATE, after consistent nagging on the matter the spokesman tells it clear as day “As (Embedded Compact) 6.0 is in market, the phone is based on the current version.”

LINK:

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/windows-phone-os-70-whats-inside/6110
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] RustyGrom:
I've seen that before but it's not exactly conclusive.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Ganondolf:
how do you mean. he says its built on the current version of CE (6.0 R3), he cant be talking about CE7 as its not even completed (finalized). Sounds pretty Conclusive to me and to ZDNET.

And you must be really silly to made a OS onto of a non finalized CE version as what would happen if code is removed from the final version and part of the OS is made with that code.

I think people here would love it to be CE7 bit at this time thats just hopeful thinking. There is no doubt in my mind that a update somewhere down the line will upgrade the base code to CE7 (a year after launch at the earliest).
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] HazzBazz:
UI development in expression blend, arm v6 support, flash support, advance browser ('between IE7 and 8 rendering'...Andry Lees, but Chelan was meant to just have IE7!!), silverlight UX...either Chelan has exactly the same features as the modded out CE6+ that WP is working (obviously with optimisations if this is true) or Microsoft arent telling us something...

http://blogs.msdn.com/obloch/archive/2010/05/03/windows-ce-is-not-dead.aspx by the way windows phone 7 is based in a WEC7!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Ganondolf:
the above link info has after the CE guy (not directly involved with wp7) said it was CE7. as CE7 is not finalized they are using CE6 with as many CE7 features that had been completed (when the wp7 team was building the wp7 OS, they only have small things left like dialer etc).

u will probably find that the CE6+ code they are using is not far off CE7 but will miss a few features that have not been finalized.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] falken007:
Oh, guys ... Whole WP7 idea stays and falls with "Silverlight Embedded" which was already released in Win CE6.0 R3. THIS is underlying operating system, or say kernel+drivers+services+engines ... and has really nothing to do with WP7 "platform". It doesnt matter if underlying kernel has the same version number as ugly-marketing WP7 sign. Even WM6.5.3 has WinCE 5 kernel as underlying OS. And STARTING WITH Win CE 6.x there is deeply enhanced memory and process management, far closer to desktoop OSes, allowing far more memory for running processes (Win CE 5 allows only 32MB per process !, including in-proc SqlCE with all his caches, grrrr - its kids toy comparing to Win CE6). Win CE 6 R3 is already released and was realeased few weeks before Barcelona MWC (I thing this aligns ...) with full Silverlight Embedded. All what is MS doing now is implementing WP7 platform on top of it, as on stable kernel. Windows Embedded Compact 7 (are you mean EC7 not CE7, right :-) is in CTP stage and will be devoted to everything possible but WP7, like industrial devices, kiosks, robots, microwave owens and WTF others :-). Win CE is component based, deeply configurable hard realtime operating system kernel similar to linux in clean architecture, in fact, throwing away any old compatibility desktop windows crap... lets try to download demo of WinCE and feel free to build your own OEM device (sure using your legal VS) with own services, may be headless to, without any UI ... Silverlight Embedded is THE next big thing ... some more fun for you: www mixworx net :-)

Cheers,

falken
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] falken007:
And, last but not least, "Windows Embedded Compact 7" is again only ungly-marketing sign for industrial "platform" ... SURE, there is still Windows CE 6.0 R3+ because of Silverlight Embedded, use your head, read behind lines from original source, the MS, ...90% "info" on net IS crap at all ...
[Hero CDMA General] eagles16:
soooo i was unrooted 1.5 stock hero rom, then the official leak came out so i upgraded to that, is there anyway i can root now?
[Hero CDMA General] tstack77:
The RUU police didn't get here in time for this one...

You'll have to wait for a 2.1 exploit to be discovered.
[Hero CDMA General] centran:
I think we should just post this in these topics

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY0WxgSXdEE#t=0m49s
[Hero CDMA General] eagles16:
thanks, it's alright though, 2.1 is great. The only things i wish it had were lwp and friendstream, but i can cope. I guess i'll just wait.
[Hero CDMA General] wctom:
So you have 2.1 RUU ? Then you cannot root.
[Hero CDMA General] eagles16:
haha :) yeah i bit the dust,

i don't think i'm missing out on that much seeing as i tried rooting before and it never worked
[Hero CDMA General] HeroMeng:
You could have just downloaded fresh kitchen and rooted that way... but you're ****ed for now. Sorry dude.
[Hero CDMA General] Tipharet:
hrm a new user must have posted and then deleted.
[Hero CDMA General] eagles16:
i did try to use the kitchen, it would get up to the point where it would go into recovery mode then just stay stuck at the HTC logo recovery screen, also when i was doing it it says pre-kitchen has identified that you are not running a stock sprint rom, even though i was completely stock 1.5.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Vatharian:
I have problem with my TP2. Any app that's fullscreen - be it opera mini/mobile, any game, navigation, etc., after few seconds of going fullscreen the top taskbar appears. Sometimes it's as long as minute, but the taskbar always appear, covering the top part of the screen. Apps don't seem aware of this fact, and they render as normal, thus hiding behind the dreaded rectangle, also they slow down noticeably, even going to full stop for few seconds. Opening start menu fixes the problem, but after few seconds, the taskbar is back again. I thought it may be connected with a clock and redrawing it when the minute changes, but disabling it didn't help. Please help me with this, as it renders otherwise great device nearly useless.

http://wypracowania.5v.pl//gpw.html

HTC-branded TP2, rom: latest official WM 6.5
[Droid Incredible Accessories] gentleart:
I'm looking for the latest/best Bluetooth kit that will allow me to stream Pandora and phone calls through my car speakers. I like the idea of the Motorola T505, but can't tell if there is something newer/better out there. I would prefer suggestions from people who know first hand about the pros and cons.

Thank you! :)
[Droid Incredible Accessories] photonmedia:
Bluetooth Advice....

I actually just posted this article over at my website....

http://www.drunkentechblog.com/?p=404

There's some good advice there.

BTW, the Jabra headset I was initially using was this one:

http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=jabra+bt3030&hl=en&cid=10591963048415444032&ei=kQzwS9eiNo2i2ATI5KjdDQ&sa=title&ved=0CAcQ8wIwADgA#p

For a little more money you could have the fully integrated stereo I feature in the article.
[Droid Incredible Accessories] gentleart:
I will check it out, thank you!
[Droid Incredible Accessories] gentleart:
I didn't see anything about sending or receiving phone calls. Can you?
[Droid Incredible Accessories] elbebo:
I've been using the Motorola T505 for a while and I love it, especially the amazing battery life! I found the same Sony Stereo on Amazon for about $149.

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-MEX-BT3800U-Receiver-Player-Bluetooth/dp/B0032FOJPM

This is what the description says about recieving calls:

I believe this means it should handle calls just as well as streaming Music from your device.

The only thing that gets me about the T505 is when traveling, even with the auto-station finder, since it is an FM transmitter it can take a while to find a decent station to listen to your music. Around my own area I've already found the best stations and have them set as presets though so not a problem however it would be nice to get CD sound quality through the speakers instead of FM sound.
[Droid Incredible Accessories] photonmedia:
Yes, the Sony stereo handles calls very well. And as for the FM Transmitter on that T505 I can't say. The reason I went with the Jabta BT3030 before I got the Sony stereo was so I could use the line input instead of an FM transmitter. (I tried something with an FM Transmitter before with poor sound quality).

I wish I had seen that deal on Amazon!

;)
[Droid Incredible Accessories] gentleart:
I tried the line-in in my Mustang and the sound was horrible.

Thanks for the helpful information.

It will probably be a few months before I will be able to part with the cash to buy anything, but it'll take me that long to make a decision. lol
[Droid Incredible Accessories] gentleart:
I was going to place an order until I realized it wouldn't fit into my Mustang. :(

Any other suggestions?
[Droid Incredible Accessories] Lino.:
Nice setup with the stereo if you have only 1 car and you spend plenty of time in it.
[Droid Incredible Accessories] intersysx:
I'm using a Jabra Cruiser speakerphone. Clips to the visor, transmits to the car radio and sounds good. Also it is supposed to announce caller name via access to the Inc's phonebook - Inc is supposed to have PBAP. This doesn't work however with the Jabra Cruiser. It will announce phone numbers only, not names of incoming caller.
[Droid Incredible Accessories] rcicu:
I just ordered that one :D
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] levy9:
guys, after installing a cab to tweek my hd2 I've screwed the phone up! the

today page is all messed up and some of my soft keys don't work! what I need to do is either uninstall the cab or do a hard reset but I can't use the bottom right soft key in the settings tab to access all files?!

is there any way to reset the phone manuallyor get to uninstall progs via file explorer? basically I'm screwed and I need to hard reset but can't get to it!!!

thanks guys
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] lanceiro:
http://www.mobilejaw.com/articles/2010/02/how-to-hard-reset-the-htc-hd2/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq64BzDLTvU

I hope can i be help you....
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] fuxer:
To perform a HTC HD2 Leo hard reset with buttons

1. With the phone turned off, press and hold the VOLUME UP and VOLUME DOWN buttons, then press the END/POWER button shortly and release it. You will then see this message on the screen.

2. Release the VOLUME UP and VOLUME DOWN buttons.

3. Press the VOLUME UP button to perform the hard reset, or press any other button to cancel the reset.

Here's more info on this

http://www.hardreset.eu/htc_hd2_leo_hard_reset_soft_reset_en.html
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] levy9:
Thanks very much chaps all back to defaults now :)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] bobbyball:
Remember if your phone wont respond but you can get an active sync connection to work, you can uninstall cabs from there.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] levy9:
One to remember thanks mate, i've relatively new to all this but learning a lot off here and its good to know there's a back up if it all goes badly wrong!!
[EVO 4G General] TickLe MY eLMo:
So, i just called a sprint store near me, and I was told that there are no pre-orders at sprint stores, but i have to get on the waiting list which is available on sprints website, which i'm not sure if she meant it's available now, or will be soon. Can anyone explain this to me?
[EVO 4G General] kyleblakepeters:
radioshack. I honestly don't understand why people don't want a free $20 and no MIR.
[EVO 4G General] setite:
Where does it say that radioshack has no MIR. As I understand it they do have a MIR. I prefer 100$ less on initial investment to free 20$.
[EVO 4G General] kyleblakepeters:
I preordered with Radioshack on Fri. No MIR, and free $20 giftcard. It's true.
[EVO 4G General] MetroKnight:
There just aren't any RSs near where I work. Besides, I found out about RS after I pre-ordered from BB.
[EVO 4G General] kyleblakepeters:
If you can find one, it'd be worth it to get a refund on your BB gcard and just get to a Shack location.
[EVO 4G General] tatnai:
i've been reading some other forums, seems like the only downside about not buying directly from sprint is that it can be harder to get fast and easy phone swaps at the local sprint store if something is wrong - sprint stores will apparently only use the TEP to change a phone if you didn't buy from them (may have to wait for them to send the phone away and then get it back). don't know how much of this is true, but there was extended discussion about it on a palm forum regarding how people had problems after getting the new palm pre from other vendors.
[EVO 4G General] TickLe MY eLMo:
Trust me, i want to, but i can't. I will be going on contract with my mom to save money, she gets a like...25 percent discount on monthly fees from her work, so we have to do it at the sprint store. Still haven't had any responses to my question though, does anyone know?
[EVO 4G General] Bp3dots:
The 25% discount she gets is already attached to her account. You can go to a RadioShack (or bby) and that will not be affected.

(And no, I can't answer the original question either. An online waiting list sounds bogus though..)
[EVO 4G General] tatnai:
went to my local sprint store, corporate, asked about a wait list, they said they didn't have one but that it was available from sprint.com after clicking on the evo add. I think they are confused about the difference between a waiting list and email updates . . .
[EVO 4G General] gqstatus0685:
I preordered at RS today and I didn't get a $20 giftcard. I'm supposed to get $40 in total since I ordered 2. I called and asked and the rep stated that I would get it when I come in. I hope he wasn't scheming me to keep the cards or else I'm going in there pissed ass hell tomorrow.
[EVO 4G General] kyleblakepeters:
No, when you leave the store at preorder, you walk out with your $50 on a giftcard to be used toward your purchase. ($199-$50 giftcard preorder=$149.99). When you come in and pay the remainder and pick up your Evo, you will receive your $20 giftcard toward anything you'd like.

That's on a per-phone basis, so for you, you'd be getting $20 per each phone.
[EVO 4G General] TickLe MY eLMo:
We aren't on sprint yet, we are currently on us cellular(kill myself), and are switching over on june 4th(if the phone is available...).
[EVO 4G General] TickLe MY eLMo:
Yeah she told me to sign up for the updates, but i questions if she meant email updates or if it was a separate waiting list, said uh a lot, then said waiting list again...these sprint folk are killing me!
[EVO 4G General] Burksdb:
i got my hero at bb and it messed up so my sprint store replaced it when i brought it into them. so you shouldnt have any problems with getting help from sprint.
[EVO 4G General] cahokia33:
best buy

why go to sprint go to best buy preorder for 50 bucks going toward ur phone june 4 go and get it...200 total plus tax im sure...i just did...
[EVO 4G General] Bp3dots:
Have mom go to a RS, let them open an account for her (wont have to get phones yet) and pre-order. All she has to do is tell them to add her discount AT THE VERY BEGINNING of the application process and it will be ready and waiting when you go get the phones on the 4th. (And since you will have preordered, you will have them guaranteed for you!)
[EVO 4G General] djchris.williams:
RadioShacK is the place to get the phone.

Radioshack does not have MIR, 199.99 for new and upgrades, free $20 for accessories, Better service than the sprint store guaranteed, No lines, you phone will be there waiting on you not the other way around. Chose what time you want to come and get your phone.
[EVO 4G General] jeffla:
We preordered through our companies evpdiscount.com website and the phones were 174.99 each.

For me it's www.evpdiscount.com/meridian
[EVO 4G General] tatnai:
is there an activation fee at radioshack?

My work will pay for electronics, so I buy at sprint for $300, give them the bill, get my $100 rebate, then get $300 back from work = -100 for me. :D
[EVO 4G General] Bp3dots:
The activation fee is a Sprint thing. You will pay it wherever you buy the phone. (It will be on your first bill, not paid in store) Sometimes you can get sprint to waive it, but not very often.
[EVO 4G General] qu1nn:
What is the possibility that if I were to go to a sprint store that they would be "out of stock"

on Saturday 6/5 ...if so what is the typical delay (guess based on past experience)?

(will probably have to do at a sprint store as my wife is the account holder and she will probably negotiate a tweak to the contract... as well as takeover my mogul)

qu1nn
[EVO 4G General] Bp3dots:
I would guess its highly likely to be out of stock by then. But that's just a guess. Lead time after that depends on warehouse availability, but the usually push almost all the units out for release, so expect around a week.

*Note this is all guesswork based on past releases. Things could go much differently.*
[EVO 4G General] DualSportDad:
what is MIR?
[EVO 4G General] swaze:
Mail in rebate
[EVO 4G General] tatnai:
always waived when you buy online at sprint.com. also when purchasing by phone they've waived it for me.
[EVO 4G General] TickLe MY eLMo:
Talked to radio shack, they said her discount will work fine. We decided we are going to go in the next few days and pre-order my phone, wait till june 4th to set up the account.
[EVO 4G General] grb:
This is nice. Unfortunately, you must be employed by Meridian.

Do you know of a way to work around this? ;)
[EVO 4G General] swaze:
LOL, just take the /meridian off the URL and see if you can find your company on there.
[EVO 4G General] d0nc0l0:
just make up a email . for my opinion is not good deal... i could do it but i would loose my 27% off my discount.
[EVO 4G General] jeffla:
We didn't. We get it for 174.99 and still get our 23% off per month. Instead of a $100.00 mir, it's a 125.00.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] kronos1:
l have an issue on 6.5 build 21891.5.0.88....there is no way to stop charging..my phone charge to 100% and nothing he does not stop. it displays that it is still in charging mode and he do not display battery full. So what is to change in registry to solve this,or is it somethng else. the phon is xperia x2.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] wjenya:
do battery calibration, use search on forum to see how to ;)
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] kronos1:
all ready try that...l discharge battery to 0% and phone turns off..then when it is not able to turn on l put it on wall charger he starts charging in 20-30sec and charge to 100% but it does not stops--l can leave it on charger for 12h and it still displays that is charging..
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] kronos1:
Has any one find a solution i registry keys, can this be done,this is now confirmed not only my phone has this issue,there are much more ohers with same problem
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] amdx2:
i had that problem, i just went out to buy a new battery and send the old one back for warrently..