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[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Matthew B:
Thanks... that was my first thought as well, but looking at the activesync data sent, the server is using the correct timezone:

I.e. I'm currently BST (GMT+1), and I've added an all day event for the 2nd:

<POOMCAL:Subject>
Testing
</POOMCAL:Subject>

<POOMCAL:StartTime>
20100601T230000Z
</POOMCAL:StartTime>

<POOMCAL:EndTime>
20100602T230000Z
</POOMCAL:EndTime>

<POOMCAL:AllDayEvent>
1
</POOMCAL:AllDayEvent>

But the phone shows that as being for the 1st in the agenda view, and if you click on the appointment, it says Monday, 31 May (!!!) - Tuesday, 1 June. I can't begin to think how it's getting that from the above activesync transmission... :-s
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Matthew B:
Just checked my original report to Google and that's now been updated in an encouraging way:

http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=8529

:-)
[Desire General] flunkyou2:
Got a bit peed off with the apps taking up loads of room and not being able to install them on the sd card, so i gave HTC a call and asked them if theres a round this?

I was told:

Robert: "No im sorry not at the moment"

Me: This is not on! i can only install a few apps!...

Robert: "Can i put you on hold for a couple of sec's"

Me: Yeah noprobs.....

Robert: "I have had a chat with my superviser and she said theres nothing you can do.... But you never heard this from me.... A new update is coming the 23rd of june and you will be able to put some apps on to the micro sd card."

Me: ok ill have to wait then, thanks for ya help.

Robert: "ok is there anythink else i can help you with?"

Me: nope have a good day cheers

Robert: "thank you have a good day"

If this is true im happy!
[Desire General] chrmrt:
Lol, i sincerely hope you didn't write his actual name.. otherwise he *might* be screwed >_<

good news, though
[Desire General] flunkyou2:
nope ;) his real name is shorter! lol
[Desire General] WillyVWade:
Was it Rob?
[Desire General] Arbk:
Like Rab? :D
[Desire General] pelotasplus:
don't get too excited. froyo's apps2sd is different than one you get with rooting your phone. with froyo it's up to app author to decide if his app may install on sd card or not.
[Desire General] pascanu:
If this is true and they get Froyo on my Desire just one month after the Nexus they will have me forever. I have not rooted yet because I'm afraid and because I have faith in HTC (Hero owners probably disagree with me). I am counting on the fact that the Desire (and brothers/cousins) is their flagship and will probably be for another 5-6 months. I trully beleive no other GSM phone will beat it this year, at least not price/performance wise.

@HTC: this is one test you really have to pass. You have to build confidence, people that buy your products need to know their investment in you is seccond to nothing. The branding/ad campaign is brilliant but now we need some facts. Make us proud!
[Desire General] pascanu:
This is a very good point, I'm sure not many people understand this. However I'm pretty sure once it's possible many developers will upgrade their apps to enable this, especially if users flood them with emails asking for it.
[Desire General] flunkyou2:
im not saying pmsl ;)

he did say some apps, we will have to wait and see :)
[Desire General] biebi:
Some apps probably just implies "non-stock" apps; since they are locked to the internal memory in stock roms anyway.

This might be what we were waiting for =D
[Desire General] benko286:
This is awesome if true :)

Not that big delay ha? :)
[Desire General] chrmrt:
I had a USB bricked Desire, but went to the store and convinced them to give me a new one..

now i have been trying to figure out whether to try rooting and get a nexus one port of 2.2,

but with these news i dont think i will risk it just yet..

hope this date holds true, that would be awesome!
[Desire General] XDA mark:
Maybe a stupid question... but why would HTC not want everybody to know that they will bring FroYo so fast? This is good news, not bad. If I would be HTC, I would tell this good news to the whole world.

Anyway, I was and still am sure that we will have FroYo before August starts.
[Desire General] Phil750123:
They said press release 2nd half of the year, but they also said something about we will publish details when we now them ( meaning might wait til monday maybe) and also said something like not 100% guarenteed as they might hit problems etc...
[Desire General] 7pellc:
Delete this post.
[Desire General] harnyuk:
*crosses fingers and everything else*
[Desire General] Whiterin:
Not sure I would count on this too much. Yes it is a possibility, but it may not be also. I used to work in a call center, and from experience I know some people say there will be an update soon just to get the customer off the line. I have had to deal with the backlash of customers not getting the update the previous person told them was coming out. Hopefully it is accurate information though. Would be nice nice to get 2.2 soon

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Sent from my HTC Desire
[Desire General] Hands0n:
In the words of John Mackenroe "You cannot be serious!" :D Although I suppose it all depends upon your definition of "... a few ..."

The Desire's available memory is possibly the largest in an Android handset to date.

But that was a good bit of leakage to post to all of those waiting eagerly for Froyo on the HTC Desire :)
[Desire General] craigcrawford1988:
DUDE! You got me fired... How could you... They log those calls, they listened into each one and found out it was me... :mad:
[Desire General] brummiesteven:
This isn't true and they even explicitly said this in the IO Presentation.

Apps2SD in Froyo can work automatically, the system will decide weather or not to install the app to the SD Card (Presumably, if your internal storage is full, apps are then installed on the SD Card)

You also have the option to manually transfer from Phone to SD and vice versa which is what they demonstrated, probably because they couldn't demonstrate an automatic process.
[Desire General] Freaku:
That would be awesome news. I was starting to feel left out after all those Nexus One folks getting their fresh Android updates.

Fingers crossed for June 23rd

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Sent via the
[Desire General] Kom-Si:
because if they don't deliver on the date, they screwed it, and will have to admit it. keeping low profile, just in case... :)
[Desire General] coochan8:
Why don't we all call HTC and see if they give us the same date? I think i'll hold on a little longer before rooting.
[Desire General] albert_htc:
What about 02 Desire users ? will we have to wait for HTC, then O2 ?
[Desire General] pascanu:
RT (by Cyanogen) @sanmehat android:installLocation="auto" or "preferExternal" in your apps to allow installation / moving to external storage on Froyo! See the docs!
[Desire General] Mountainjew:
I'd say the guy on the phone pretended to go talk to somebody, then gave you a bull**** story. Thats what i used to do when i worked in those kinda places anyway :D
[Desire General] tuatha:
My first reaction too. Either that or the OP is an attention seeker.

No offence :p
[Desire General] jonneymendoza:
A simple change in the apps manifest and it can be instaled in the sd card
[Desire General] Fon22:
The guy you was speaking to, didnt talk to anyone,

He just searched google and found a thread.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=686994

:)

Fon22
[Desire General] geccco:
What are you talking about? How could he see that (this) thread before it was created? :p
[Desire General] choccy31:
Actually you are wrong as I read the Developer Tools the other day.

Developers will have a choice of choosing from Installing to Phone, Installing to SD card or Selecting automatic, enabling the phone owner decide.
[Desire General] mouth:
Why do you assume that it's a Froyo update?

Not withstanding the validity of the date you were given, it's possible they could just release an eclair update that incorporates installing apps to sd card !?
[Desire General] Ommadawn:
Either way, I'd be happy!
[Desire General] mercuryzzz:
I hope it will be released for legend too :)
[Desire General] dgattenb:
2.2 software on the SD card .. fab .. but how much room will the OS take up on the phone? Has HTC decided to put apps on the SD for a Reason?
[Desire General] Baldyman1966:
Perhaps there is something we can do about this, to shorten the wait or at the very least get a firm announcement on the upgrade date. If each and every desire user sent 1 e-mail a day to HTC asking about the upgrade then it would show up in their monitoring statistics (assuming they monitor the type of questions they recieve as many companies do) which may force them (or make them more inclined) to give us what we want.
[Desire General] stfone:
Would this update be Froyo ? Or not ?

Sorry to deceive you, but take a look at that : http://android-france.fr/2010/05/19/htc-desire-mise-a-jour/

I know, it's in french, but it tells an Eclair update will be available soon for our Desire
[Desire General] jankos:
I have not found anything about Froyo. Only is written update 1.21.405.2, but who knows what it means :( The current version is 1.15.405.4 and this obviously will be update, but Froyo update or something else?
[Desire General] bonerp:
If HTC are like any other phone company why would they put their neck on the line and risk being slatted for missing a date?!

They won't do it. If they wanted to 'officially' announce a date they would. Customer pressure won't work. Clearly the new 2.2 is still in test. If you want a release that is full of bugs that fine. I don't.

They will release it when its ready. HTC will be very aware of the pressure to stay top of the game. Its very cut throat business - telecoms.
[Desire General] Lurch1o:
Have to agree with this as that is how I read it in the SDK notes as well.

AFAIK the loaders will have to be rewritten for any app to be installed onto the SD card as the instruction set permitting it will only be available for Froyo SDK 2.2 and above and NOT backward compatible. A check will have to be included to allow the loader to detect 2.2 otherwise the inclusion of the 'SDLoader' instruction set will throw an error on older devices.

From what I have seen though the recompile seems straight forward enough so most of the good apps should be modified quickly and the ability to 'block' update from the market should ease the pain. Not sure yet, until I play with it, whether an update will allow an app to be 'moved' from the phone memory to the SD. Will have to look and report back later.
[Desire General] Aitese:
You're so wrong, yet so convinced of your rightness.
[Desire General] Vlad_M:
HTC has very little competition in the Android handset market, so I doubt that they are feeling any pressure to release 2.2 to existing phones. I am willing to bet that we will see 2.2 on a new handset before the existing ones like the Desire get the upgrade.
[Desire General] EroThraX:
They did say that it would automatically install apps that allowed SD card install to the SD card if your internal memory was running low, presumably this is part of the "automatic" mode which also gives you control over whether you want it to be installed on the SD card or the internal memory.

Not forgetting that Devs will also be able to specify internal or SD card only as well.
[Desire General] Aitese:
Yes, but read his post...he was under the impression this would work out of the box with the apps as they are now without any of them needing updating. He also seems to be under the impression that this isn't something devs can choose to ignore.
[Desire General] naguz:
Wll, HTC has never been the best boy in the class when it comes to bugs, neither when it comes to producing a bug free ROM, or - more important - fixing them afterwards. They are really bad at that.
[Desire General] Phil750123:
You lot are way too negative! HTC has a bad history yer, but maybe there in the aim to turn that around, a new big model handset, and i don't now the sale figures for the desire atm, but i think there pretty huge, espically for htc standards. And let not forgot, desire is a top notch handset, so an update would mean

desire 2.1 [good] > desire 2.2 [even better] === MORE SALES!

and after all htc only want money , their a buisness at the end of the day.

If it can take one guy a week to but 2.2 on the desire without sense, surely a team of 5 could do it, with sense, in the same amount of time, just leaving another 3 weeks to roll out the update, give it suppliers and do all that stuff.

I myself am holding out hope that htc will do me proud and prove you all wrong!
[Desire General] supersonic215:
I feel sorry for the innocent HTC employee you didn't talk to that actually IS named Robert... poor guy's gonna get hammered just because you randomly chose that name :cool:
[Desire General] stingerpl:
Actually it has a competitor named Google Nexus One. They have to share the profit from N1 with Google. As long as the N1 has Froyo and the Desire does not, it will have an advantage in UK, Germany etc.
[Desire General] foxmeister:
Not really! Google sells the Nexus One this is true, but this is no different from say Expansys UK selling the Desire - both will be getting the phone at a trade price, and marking it up.

So, if you buy a Nexus One or a Desire, HTC wins.

Regards,

Dave
[Desire General] Vlad_M:
Lol, rubbish. or do you think that HTC gives the N1 to Google for free? They get paid no matter which handset sells.
[Desire General] dahmmy:
Someone forgot to tell him HTC make both the desire and N1
[Desire General] abc27:
I am fairly sure their profit is the exact same for both phones.

The Nexus One has a higher Sim Free price (About €100?) which accounts for the profit given to Google and the slight differences in hardware.
[Desire General] Inovator:
X10 has the largest...

But, I saw today on N1 with froyo that app2sd doesn't work. Also, I was unable to move any app to SD. I think this feature needs to be enabled by app developers in order to work on froyo
[Desire General] Phil750123:
Yer think waiting for most apps to enable full froyo support. Should start seeing a large number of updates i recon with developers enabling move to sd card. Also depends on protection i suppose, as easier to rip a app off sd card then in phone memory.
[Desire General] sharpey:
lets hope it does come out on the 23rd :)
[Desire General] foxmeister:
I believe that in Froyo, apps on the SD card are stored in a specially encrypted file on the FAT32 partition, which can only be decrypted on the device it was original encrypted on.

Regards,

Dave
[Desire General] Phil750123:
Do you now what type of encryption their using?

Im a forensic computing student so obviously in my interest to now :)

Just for curiousity of course though.
[Desire General] tuatha:
I seriously wouldn't put too much stock in this guys. I saw on twitter yesterday that HTC only received builds of FroYo over the weekend, so there's no way they'd have a release date so quickly.
[Desire General] Phil750123:
How? When they make the Nexus One aswell, surely they had some input into putting froyo on that too.
[Desire General] Aitese:
Erm...why would they? They made the phones to spec and then handed them over. Google writes the software. HTC has nothing to do with it apart from providing the hardware and drivers. That's like saying Nvidia and Intel would be sitting around watching while Microsoft developed Windows.
[Desire General] Nickedynick:
Can you put up a link to this?

Given that the Nexus One uses a lot of the same hardware, it would seem like half the work is already done.
[Desire General] Aitese:
Guys...really, stop citing the N1, HTC built it, and it has the same hardware as the Desire, but that doesn't give them access to the work Google is doing. Why does everyone think it does? The hardware and the software are two separate things.
[Desire General] tuatha:
Looking for it. It was a link on twitter to a story and quote from a HTC rep that they had just received builds of 2.2 and were beginning work on it (I'm paraphrasing).
[Desire General] Nickedynick:
I wasn't implying that HTC have access to Google's work. Just it'll be a hell of a lot faster to sort out the Froyo build for the Desire than it will be for, say, the Legend - down to the fact that the N1 and Desire are cousins. That is, of course, assuming that the groundwork hasn't already been done for the Legend in this example.

HTC will have been involved at some level in order to make sure that the drivers work, surely?!
[Desire General] Aitese:
I'm sure they provided the drivers and that's as far as it goes, otherwise they would be baked into the code and Google would have to code several different versions of the same OS for each piece of hardware! The drivers should be modular, easily plugged in and removed, so there's no reason the work on the Desire should be any faster/slower than the Incredible or the EVO, it's all down to Sense UI...the OS should be designed to call on the drivers when and if needed.
[Desire General] tuatha:
Can't find the page. I'm pretty sure it was a twitter search for HTC, but I have to go out so I can't spend the next hour digging through mountains of tweets.

I did just find an article with a similar theme on android police, in which a HTC rep confirmed that they 'only recently' got their hands on a 2.2 build.

http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/0...-later-comes-with-a-class-2-8gb-microsd-card/

From all the stuff HTC have been saying, I've gotten the strong impression that they didn't have a build prior to I/O... which, if true, is just ridiculous.

Although I suppose Google's full roll-out still hasn't happened yet.
[Desire General] Nickedynick:
Good point, well made :)

I still have a feeling that HTC will have been involved somewhat given the nature of their relationship with Google and Android, but clearly I can't substantiate this...

EDIT: Good work, tuatha - pretty sensible info there.
[Desire General] Aitese:
From the sounds of it, apart from being an OEM, HTC and Google share no "special" relationship. Google first asked Sony Ericsson to make the N1 and they declined. Remember, Android isn't made for HTC hardware...it's an OS that is designed to run on as many platforms as want it. They use certain devices as "reference" devices, but the code is independent of any hardware in the way you're thinking. It wouldn't take HTC so long and they wouldn't make so many unfulfilled promises if they had the access you think they have. Google really doesn't need them.
[Desire General] Nickedynick:
Yeah, you're right.

From the article tuatha posted, it seems Google did decouple a lot of apps from the OS - which they say will make things easier. In the case of Sense, would this actually make things easier/quicker? I mean, would the Sense messaging functionality, for instance, have to be merged into the newer stock messaging app still (and so on)? Or would HTC send out 2.2 with the pre-existing 2.1 apps?
[Desire General] foxmeister:
If I were you, I would take anything that HTC says with a very large pinch of salt.

This is the same company that has said that, in respect of the Hero 2.1 upgrade, it has taken longer to port Sense to 2.1 that they had anticipated, despite the fact they had already released the HTC Legend (which in hardware terms is exceedingly similar to the Hero) with 2.1 and Sense UI -so much so that stable Legend 2.1 ports to the Hero have been available for 2 to 3 months now.

Regards,

Dave
[Desire General] Phil750123:
I saw this posted on twitter, by android dev, paulobrian etc...

This was last night, no idea what it to do with though..
[Desire General] Nickedynick:
I was pretty sure that it was regarding the Nexus One update, but thinking about it I can't remember whether I just linked the two things by themselves, or if they were actually related.
[Desire General] Phil750123:
It amazes me how this thread has got so much attention from other web sites, iv read at least 4 tech websites, quoteing this thread, though non direct. One guys word can go along way.

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[Desire General] tuatha:
Yeah, and you want to see the absolute worst one?

http://www.blog.moby1.co.uk/2010/05/htc-phones/htc-desire-will-get-android-2.2-update.html

"HTC and Google have officially confirmed that the HTC Desire Android smart phone will be updated to version 2.2 Froyo by June 23. The announcement just came this week –much to the delight of Desire owners who have been waiting for the new version."

There was no announcement made. The author just made that up!! I've left comments on the post and they wouldn't even publish them.

Chinese whispers.

Also, I've asked HTC about this rumour and they wouldn't tell me anything. I'm still highly sceptical.
[Desire General] Phil750123:
Ha people who wrote some blogs are truely stupid.

the only good thing i can see, is htc would not deny it at all,

they simply no comment.
[Desire General] tuatha:
Yeah I find it a little bit odd that they don't deny the rumour. But maybe they're under orders not to discuss it at all.
[Desire General] abc27:
HTC (Like most other big corporations) don't deny or acknowledge any rumours.

They just don't comment as they don't want to subvert their own announcement plans. No matter how many bloggers post up that it's official, the truth remains that it simply is not.
[Desire General] neoKushan:
The really crazy thing is that the OP might not actually be making it up, there's every possibility he had that exact phone call, but it could be the guy at the end of the phone making it up, an internal memo given to that guy's manager that may have been somewhat half true, or it could have been simply made up to get him off the phone, who knows? Hell, it could even be true, but there's no sense in getting worked up about it in any way because it'll come when it comes.

What's important is that HTC confirmed that it IS coming, but remember - NO phone has officially got Froyo yet (not even the Nexus one!), so expect it to be a long way off.
[Desire General] HDW:
I'm not expecting much, I hight doubt it will be released on the 23rd
[Desire General] Zimeon:
Well as long as they release a 2.2 update for desire within the summer, atleast I would be happy :p
[Desire General] sylvainbesnard:
Do you think it will be a world or national deployement ?
[Desire General] adza:
Hmm. Just purchased my desire last Friday.

After owning many HTC devices over the past few years, I got fed up with Microsoft not allowing manufacturers to upgrade to the latter major versions, but rather being forced to stay on same version, or having to buy a brand new handset. (Unless I wanted to get an illegal copy).

I figured it was Microsoft and not HTC that was the issue, so thought I'd give HTC & Android a go.

After having my phone for 1 week I have only 2 major problems with it, but they are both major for me.

1) Any 'notes' attached to contacts are truncated at 240 characters. (So when syncing 'back' to PC I lose many details of the details I have in outlook notes.

2) No 'true' Hands Free Voice Dialing. (For in car).

I've been informed that Froyo (2.2) addresses both these issues, so I'm pretty keen to get my hands on it - as this will take this phone from being a bit more of a hassle to deal with than my previous WM device to the best phone I have ever come across.

Just wondering if a few people here could help me out with a few questions:

1) Is it 'legal' to upgrade to Froyo if it doesn't come via HTC? (ie, being 'Open Source')?

2) If HTC do release Froyo on 23rd, can I upgrade my phone, or must I wait until my provider makes it's changes and releases their bloatware version to me. (In this case, Telstra).

3) If I can upgrade direct from HTC and bypass Telstra, does my phone have to be 'rooted' to do this, or can I still do this and maintain warranty?

4) Is it possible to upgrade to an Android release not from HTC without rooting my phone?

I'll probably wait another week to see if this June 23rd date is true or not, but if I hear nothing by then I'll be looking to alternatives to make my phone properly usable for me.

Thanks in advance for any replies to my questions

Adaza