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[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] efjay:
There is no sync with desktop Outlook and no sync with any "cloud', the email client connects to the email servers you specify, eg yahoo, IMAP, MSN and gets your email. Email doesnt live in the cloud on WP7 any more than it does on other devices.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] :
I missed that little gem from MS, I assume we'll be able to sync Contacts/Calendar as well as Email from Exchange?!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] unlockMe:
Yes WP7 has a full activesync client and will connect to your company's Exchange server without any problem.

The problem will be more related to services hosted by Microsoft and that would require a client-side application. If there is a signature issue this application would not run appropriately.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] gb_r32:
I'm not sure what you mean by full activesync client. The word I hear is that there is no way to sync (wired) to a PC like in WM6.5 and everything before it. Everything is over the air via exchange or cloud. This sucks if your company does not expose it's exchange servers to the internet for mobile exchange connections. Now I will have no way to sync my calendar with my work PC unless I go Blackberry.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] unlockMe:
EAS, or Exchange ActiveSync, not to be confused with the ActiveSync desktop application, is the Microsoft over-the-air communication protocol with Exchange.

If your phone is EAS ready (WP7 is, all WM devices are to some extent with respect to which policies they can support) then you can connect to your company's Exchange server provided they provide access to it from the internet, of course.

If they don't allow these devices and allow only blackberry access from internet then you won't be able to sync.

Thinking about it, many companies have bashed Microsoft for implementing on the server side a way to prevent devices from connecting if they don't meet company policies, but on another hand anyone with Outlook and ActiveSync can sync the content to the phone and eventually lose the phone and sensitive company data. So bottom line this move to discontinue ActiveSync desktop and replace with Dorado which does only media sync not mail, is a smart move from MS.

Blackberry does not work well with the latest Exchange 2010 (well it does not with any version anyway, the device is cool but the sync is crap and the performance hit on Exchange abyssal), Android does not as well (well 2.2 does better, but 2.1 does not play well with EAS as well), IOS4 requires some patching to work with Exchange, so now let see WP7 devices out that we can have something that works at last.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] naraby:
Hardware Limitation

Hi

My Question is simple. Taking into consideration the very big similarity between HTC HD2 and HTC Mondrian is there a hardware barrier (on HD2 like GPU unit they say) that would prevent porting WP7 to HTC HD2....

Thanks
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] jagger2k:
I take it there has been no progress on this port? DA_G's twitter has not been updated in over a month.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] evolutionqy7:
omg people read a few pages back before posting people. its a developing thread not a Q&A section
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] hoss_n2:
most leaked htc devices with wp7 have same processor ,ram and GPU so there is no hardware limitations and these devices are (spark , hd3 , mozart , and may be mondraid ) same 8250 processor
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] naeem151287:
Have fun. http://cotulla.pp.ru/leo/WP7S/VIDEO0243.mp4
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] stirkac:
**** THEY MADE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

just saw on twitter :D :D :D
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] bibolorean:
what a teaser!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] DJW6927:
Thats a bit mad... kinda got the impression they was holdin back on us!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] goodoldtimes:
Great news.

Congrats guys!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] StevieBallz:
What disturbs me (Edit: with cotulla's video) is the "Fake GSM network" up top... which is exactlly the behavior of the Emulator... not trying to imply something but it looks at least a little bit odd...
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] murattiss:
So as HTC's WP7 devices have appeared and the the HD7 is nearly a HD2 how will this affect porting to HD2?

I personally did get a positive feeling when I saw that hardware wise HD7 and HD2 is so close.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] HD2Owner:
it's very nice to have so many similar devices by htc (hardware compared to hd2) that run wp7.

sure it will help porting to hd2...
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] murattiss:
I think that HTC and MS have learned very much from this community and can not risk to loose all these people and let them develop Android or other stuff.

They have to give these highly knowledged people something to play!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] HD2Owner:
word..... true....
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] saints5354:
I totally agreed that, i don't want a "Jail" OS, is there any others choice we have?

- iFone is nice, very creative, but I don't like iFone cos it cannot function or do like a PC whereby WM6.5.x can.

- Android as well, quite boring and nothing much (May be i too used to Windows).

So, how long it will take for our frens here at xda to h^ck and to cook a WP7 for a custom ROM or may be forever we need to use a jail OS ... :(

Sincerely, just hope M$ ppl who monitor us here, pls take our opinion into your consideration ... to win back the market share, u need to maintain your supporter and attract others. There is no point u attract new customer but lose the current one ...
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] murattiss:
WP7 is clearly not aiming the business and advanced users who like to flash, mod and edit their OS.

They want to get a share from the Iphone market and attract customers like 13 year old girls watching Britney Spears clips on 4.3" screens.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] unlockMe:
man... you guys need to open your eyes a little bit more and stop focusing only on your belly button...

the biggest lock down in the OS is for developers since you cannot use native language you have to use managed code to develop apps for the WP7 phones. Reason? well if you can't go to the low level OS and put buggy drivers and poorly written system code, then the phone OS is stable and will not crash.

Ever complained about WM6.5 crashing all too often? Look at these apps live the overclock, I didn't see any benefit at using them beside the phone crashing and you risk bringing your device from the status of phone to that of brick in a matter of seconds.

HTC made some customization in the ROM and as far as I've seen, since ROMs of WP7 devices have been published on this forum, I don't see a reason why we wouldn't be able to customize the ROM.

Customization is also a big word. what do you call customization? Is it removing a few apps that ship in the base ROM and calling it your whatever-dazzling-storm-black-ride-neo-18.5019.44? Is that really customization? Or is that stuff like cookie home tab, revamping graphics, changing system sounds or customizing the way the interface looks like? So now if we're talking UI then yes that's customization but I hear only theme management here.

So instead of crying "wolf" "wolf" all the time just wait for our chefs to look at the newly published devices, at what Microsoft makes available to developer (and this is quite impressive for a just-released product). If one guy can boot the ROM from an bootloader do you think it would really be that difficult to modify the content of ROM file people can already read?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] HD2Owner:
consistency is a great benefit for developers (ms/oems/updates etc.) and "casual"-customers.

but at the same time it's bad for htc because they can only differentiate themselves from other manufacturers with hardware and some apps.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] unlockMe:
well that's exactly my point, you are talking about the UI customization.

would it really be a big pain in the back to load a package on top of a base ROM that adds all the bells and whistles you like but still be running the base ROM?

How many people have bricked their phone while failing a ROM upgrade? I think that this would be a safer approach.

that's my opinion only of course.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] stirkac:
about UI you could code a bunch on homescreen tiles shaped what u like(or just leave black color around squares) and replace ordinary ones with those.

also content of hub can be made whatever style i u want so much many different styles that way. pack many of them in app, properly theme the device and you ave brand new look

if you have good application framework you customize(newly code and make any style) UI faster and better then time-consuming reverse engineering of e.g. manilla files.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Relief2010:
I dont see the problem really. The iphone without jailbeaking is closed indeed, but did you notice what happened after jailbreaking it? There is a massive community behind it which makes it possible to run your own stuff, own themes, functions etc.

So when WP7 is all out, we will see some great stuff here or somewhere else :)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] evolutionqy7:
thats cause no one wants a ton of apple retards on xda :) its bad as it is
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] murattiss:
please respect to people doing great stuff here, you are talking about "hacking" your beloved apple, please check the name of this community again, "xda-DEVELOPERS"
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] skotten:
I second that! Making various mobile OS better is the reason why xda is so popular among "normal" people. It's not just about hacking and getting stuff for free, I my self can't point on any other mobile device than the HD2 that can run WM6.5, Android and possibly also WP7 - all thanks to places and people like xda. This is stuff being developed, not just bought off the shelf.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] slayerns:
seems like Da_G got the money and ran away:D
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] domineus:
and so did your brain =/

the two are both working on a project and some other devs...
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] ~~Tito~~:
Please keep this on topic. The general forum is there for discussions like these. I will investigate further, and take appropriate action.

~~Tito~~
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] navidnouri:
why these guys don't take a look at this ROM

Mondrain (Mozart) shiped ROM

it is so easy to port it to HD2

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=794890
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] zarathustrax:
If it's so easy to port it to the hd2 then why don't you do it?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] orangekid:
Investigate what?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] shatroghistro:
We just have to be patient, that's all. I think we'll have it before Christmas. Lot before Christmas. These guys here are ingenious, they'll make it happen, that's for sure :)

I just hope they will do it for both T-mo and EU version.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] ~~Tito~~:
I havent had much time to go deep into discussions. Basically I said I will look into this thread later, and is a warning for people planning on ruffling feathers, that I am watching.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] navidnouri:
i think it up to me at the end!!

YOU WILL SEE POWER OF CYBER ARMY SOON!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] orangekid:
Good idea :)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] orangekid:
Also,

this thread seems to have outlived its purpose and usefulness. Da_G isn't going to post any updates because he stated he's done all he can do and has passed on all his work to Cotulla. If he is working with Cotulla neither of them is talking about it. I think it might also be good to stress that just like Cotulla, Da_G is a very well respected member of this community and especially amongst Winmo ROM cooks who have gotten leaked builds from him and conflipper as well as help in building kitchens etc... and any insinuation that he just "took the money and ran" is ludicrous.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] shirreer:
oooh... something's cooking! :D

c'mon guys, let's chill and make this an instructive discussion
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] juggs:
I think you mean constructive. :D
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] navidnouri:
we have good news and bad news

good news is we have got a fresh copy of WP7 Rom.

Bad news is it is impossible to port it to HD2
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] baddison:
Yes....that is BAD NEWS indeed....:(
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] zarathustrax:
Why do you say its impossible to port? I've seen a lot of things done here at xda that people said was impossible.

Are you in contact with da_g or cotulla?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] domineus:
how bout you quit talking out of your butt and let the developers work? thanks
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] xprav:
yes You should stop being pessimistic and leave the porting job for our excellent developer friends here. they do a great job themselves and least we could do is be pessimistic. so just cheer them up and be positive.

I love my HD2
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] shirreer:
Actually, I meant "instructive"... Go learn "ENGLISH" somewhere else!

Here (from: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language):

in·struc·tive (n-strktv)

adj. Conveying knowledge or information; enlightening.

in·structive·ly adv.

in·structive·ness n.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] navidnouri:
as you have seen

there are no new posts from Da_G in about 2 weeks

Cotulla have not posted any threads about WP7 newly and no progress is done for porting progress (i Can't see any). we tested and we know there are too many incompatiblities in HD2 Logical circuits than Mozart (which is most identical to HD2)

as i told is is almost impossible to port a rom to HD2 but we may port it using emulator based OS. there is no gurantee!!!

we will continue our work

i hope others (Cotulla, ...) port it soon than us
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] :
Emulator based OS. Lol. Way to give yourself away! This person is a troll for anyone who hadn't guessed already.

How would you ever get the device to boot and then say it can't be ported?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] navidnouri:
put the loader in ram and call it from there

it is so simple
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] navidnouri:
have you ever programmed in your dreams or just say sth you have seen in others posts??!!

it is my university major to program

in one of best universities
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] zarathustrax:
Cotulla got it booting and I'm sure he will work on it more and probably get it working. It probably wont have cloud support or marketplace, and will use magldr to boot it of a SD card probably... which is the way I would want to use it on my hd2. I wouldn't want to flash over winmo because it wont be fully functional and even if it is, I wouldn't give up winmo 6.5 for it. But it will be great to be able to use winmo, android, Ubuntu, meego, and wp7 all on the same phone.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] navidnouri:
//booting correctly is half of the way

and of course we should put it on sd card or u may notice no any disk space in device memory (if u put it on device storage)

and everyone want to triple boot OSs :-o whitch is the most easy work after WP7 porting

we may put WinMo on sd card if we have to!!

we all wish WP7 be ported to HD2 & other phones!!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] :
My degree is in computer science.

So originally you said the core components are too different between Mozart and HD2? Well they got it to boot - that's the low-level part - so it's all software-domain from now on. So NOTHING that the Mozart does would matter at this stage because it's always possible to rewrite software.

What you meant, btw, is that it MAY be possible with a RAM loader. Not an emulator. Same architecture so there won't be any emulating going on.

And that's what Cotulla has already done.

So either you have missed Cotulla's video and subsequent posts on this forum over the past 2 months on WP7 loading/NAND and you came up with that idea all by yourself

OR (and this is the most likely one)

You are trying to pass someone else's hard work off as your own, because you are someone with no proven talent or credibility.

This is not a personal attack. Just pointing out some holes in your posts.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] OndraSter:
From what I caught, Da_G was working with software as base drivers for NAND, display, ..., while Cotulla was working on MAGLDR so you can boot from NAND Android, now even WP7. Bootloader from Mozart or any other phone can't be used directly without any touches - you still have to adjust it to current hardware, otherwise it would fail to boot (different GPS chip, different addresses on i2c/two-wire and so on). Da_G hit the wall, because he couldn't get DEBUG mode on JTAG to work IIRC, because it is locked on normally sold phones, thus I'm guessing that Cotulla has some pre-sold device with DEBUG capability unlocked.

Cotulla never posted here anything, just on twitter one video. He has his own life too, just as Da_G. You can't expect them to write essay every day how does the porting go, it would be waste of time they could spent on actual porting.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] navidnouri:
it might be better that cotulla have uploaded a video that shows the HD2 from beginig of device boot to the WP7 boot!!!! usb is plugged whitch makes it some how seem to be unreal!!! as it could be seen the WP7 booted with success so what is this thread for? lets boot WP7 what is the problem?? no-one knows!!

there are NO NEWS FROM Da_G and CUTOLLA are there??:confused: please refer me to one of them!! is any one else working on WP7??

low level part will be confirmed when the boot will be shown in device from beginig to end

i don't think any bootloader have been written for WP7 yet that could be applicable.

i didn't mean to emulate WP7 on WinMo it was misunderstood

you may have to work to port the emulation release of windows phone on PC to port it on HD2

i have not connected anybody's work (HARD WORK or indolence) to mine i would no relation with anybody work from past to the future.

where did you got you degree from

i'll have M.S of Computer eng next year from SUT tehran.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] zarathustrax:
I have no doubts cotulla's video is real. The video shows him using his new magldr that he's working on. Its a loader that is flash on and can boot winmo or any Linux os from nand or any Linux based os from SD card... and there's an option on it to load wp7. I don't think he's put much work on porting it yet, as he's still been finalizing magldr... but he's gotten as for as getting it to boot, as he's shown in his video. I'm sure once he's finished magldr he will put more time into wp7 and he will probably give more details and updates when he actually starts devoting more time in it... hopefully soon. But he's been working hard developing for our hd2's and has done some amazing stuff.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] navidnouri:
if u have no doubt tell me what is that USB flash and CE download of 200 Blocks from usb??

that magloader is too much incomplete

too much amount of data should be written to ram by comp to make WP bootable

there should be a very long wait for us to see WP7 on HD2
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] :
1. Cotulla never releases news. Because it usually ends in people throwing unfounded "DIS IZ NUT REEL!" or "Can i install this on my tp2 plz?"

2. How would you know what diagnostic information from a custom tool written by another person would mean? And if it was the case that the diagnostic information told you the kernel wasn't booting from the device, don't you think they would have omitted that info from the video, or the software itself?

3. Of course there is enough ram. It is no different than running Android from a ram loader.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] navidnouri:
i have to tell you if he have released his work about 70% will understand what is going on

tell why he used phrases which have that meaning in programing world?!

NO difference

you're kidding
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] OndraSter:
Just look into posts "I WANT WP7 ON TEH MY KAISER AND HARRIER!", you will never say them "It isn't possible" no matter how much you make it big, red, how many times it is written. They will ask again. You're wrong here.

Also, 30% out of few thousand people is STILL A LOT.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] :
My point is: why would he leave them in? He's not an idiot.

No offence taken, if you wish to explain why you think loading memory would be any different between operating systems, please do. It's what you do after you load it is what makes things tick.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] navidnouri:
any os would have it own boot loader to call the os loader Example: grub -> linux,Windows needs ntldr to be loaded and so on (More Info)

each one can be called by specific options and specific independent program

sorry for my Eng but i didn't understod your last sentence
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] :
They all do the same thing, they just provide different features. i.e. Grub can boot Linux or Windows - doesn't matter to it. All it's doing is jumping to the operating system. And that's my point, so thanks for that.

Anyway, I am bored. I don't think I'm going to change your mind, so we will meet back here in 6 months. If no WP7 on HD2, I owe you a beer!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] navidnouri:
not as simple as JUMP you're welcome.

if my mind was changable i was in stanford by now.

i think WP will be on HD2 next 2 month

only the bad think would be there is no beer at end!!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] ~~Tito~~:
Closing for the time being.

~~Tito~~
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] DomZ:
Also, it will be great to have regular progress status if possible.

Thanks
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Da_G:
Regarding regular status updates,

That's what this twitter account is for :)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] vaskodogamagmail:
Great work

Great work Da_g

I wish you get a high ranking job, in a big rich company, and live a GREAT life.

sorry that I can't donate, cause I am in Iran. We don't have international bank accounts here!

I get happy when I see super talented guys like you in communities like these.

thanks again for the effort for porting WP7
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] DomZ:
Thanks Da_G, it's great !
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] copenhagen:
not everyone uses twitter brother.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Da_G:
You also don't need a twitter account to view the status, it's just a simple webpage that works no matter if you have a twitter account or not :)

Side note: I have a preliminary test version of the toolchain going that works, but it still involves some manual hex editing. As soon as I get it able to fully dump without any manual intervention it'll be posted :) Something different in the IMGFS is triggering a crash at the end of dumping, happens with IMGFSToDump, xidump, and the new routine we have going in libnb. So i'm tracking that down..
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] gianton:
maybe it's a good idea if da_g will add a banner in 1st post like this one:

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http://twitstamp.com/
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] DomZ:
I'm agree because if you do not do that, you may have a lot of question about progress status