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[Nexus One General] ChillRays:
so 50 dollars will get me out of my deal.. then i can get the n1 for 180 tomorrow??
[Nexus One General] redrazr7791:
Couldn't have said it better myself. I gave up on AT&T getting a decent Android handset...and if they did...they would probably load it with a bunch of cr@pware and take away what the NX-1 actually had to offer :mad:
[Nexus One General] masse1369:
On the Even More Plan yes. You could cancel it, sign up for the phone for $180 with a new phone number and then call back in and try to request your number back or just live with a new number. I don't know what plan you're on now, but I'd say 8 times out of 10 Even More Plus is the way to go and you just buy the phone outright.

And for the $100 difference, just call up and tell them you want to cancel your service. They will transfer you to the Loyalty department, tell them you are going to go to AT&T because you want an iPhone because customer service kept lying to you about the price the Nexus One was going to be. Tell them you want the $100 on your bill or you're switching. ;)

If that doesn't work, PM me. :D
[Nexus One General] attn1:
Sure sounds like it. You might have to live with a new phone number, but I'd check into that.
[Nexus One General] Rijal:
If you are switching to the N1, its probably the best time to switch numbers. Just start giving out your Google Voice # and never have to switch again, no matter what carrier or phone you use!
[Nexus One General] Saphroxx:
THAT would be so awesome really... I live in Belgium in Europe and hope the European providers will accept Google Voice ID aswell instead of phonenumbers/SIM card IDs for such situations.

I've been thinking of selling my current N1 and buy a new one when it's released in Europe. In january I bought my unlocked N1 for 460$ + export/import fees etc but would really consider buying a new N1 locked to whatever EU provider.

In addition and slighty offtopic: I hope HTC does some modifications on their release for Europe, e.g. the multi-touch issue to be sorted would be awesome if it would effectively be hardware or OLED related problem after all.
[Nexus One General] flarbear:
I'm not so sure that this will matter.

For one thing, have the Google-branded ADP1's (the identical phone to the G1, just sold through Google instead of T-Mobile) gotten Eclair officially yet? I haven't heard anything about that. Sure, they are typically owned by developers who could download the Eclair sources and build a custom ROM for it, but so many devs are already doing that for the G1 too. But, I don't think the ADP1 has Eclair officially yet either - meaning the reason for G1s not having Eclair is not the carrier branding/delays it is the lack of an official port of that release for that hardware.

T-Mobile has done almost no branding on the G1 ROM and so there is no technical reason for any delay on releasing an OTA for the G1 as soon as an official part of the chain (Google or HTC) make it available on that hardware.

Similarly I am imagining that T-Mobile would continue to sell the N1 relatively untouched in order to keep it as close to the Google version (which I am sure they will most definitely still be providing to developers directly) and so I am very hopeful that this move will not affect OTAs for people who buy the N1 in a T-Mobile retail store. Don't quote me on that, though, and YMMV a lot in an AT&T store.

And, it just occurred to me that the Google ADP2, aka myTouch 3G actually did seem to have some carrier branding in the T-Mobile version so, again, possibly YMMV. :-(
[Nexus One General] flarbear:
Buying through Google right now is like buying through a non-carrier outlet. They don't always have the same deals that a carrier outlet has access to. So, if you buy a subsidized phone from Google then you are buying it with 3rd party subsidies and those are less lucrative for existing customers - thus Google is going to quote you $280.

If you buy through T-Mobile then they often have better deals for existing customers available outright than the 3rd party sellers do. They may, in fact, be planning to sell the N1 direct to existing customers at the same subsidized price as new customers. If they don't then you can always use the "Customer Care I'm going to cancel" practice to get them to cut you a deal. You won't have that leverage until the N1 is available directly from T-Mobile. Perhaps the T-Mobile people are quoting you the price they plan to sell direct to existing contract consumers?

Either way, I think it might just pay to wait until you can walk into a T-Mobile store (or log onto the T-Mobile web site) and buy the phone as you will have much better subsidy leverage than you can have through Google.

And, assuming you don't have some ridiculously cheap legacy contract plan, you should have the option to switch to an Even More Plus plan and pay less for the phone and less each month (actually given the $530 price of the phone spread over 20 months that would be a $26.50 add-on each month, but given that you walk out the door paying nothing for the phone instead of $180 or $280 you actually save both up front and in the long run even though your first 20 months are $6.50 more than they would be with a subsidy).

EM plan: $180 for phone + $20/month over non contract plan

EM+ plan: $0 for phone + $26.50/month for first 20 months and then cheaper

The running total is that the regular plan is $180 more expensive on day 1 so that plan is behind from the start. The EM+ plan is $180 less expensive on day one and that advantage is only eroded by $6.5/month for 20 months. At the end of that you will still have paid a total of $50 less than the EM contract plan, and you will have paid much much less on day 1. At no point would an EM+ customer buying on the installment plan ever pay more than an EM customer. At that 20 month mark, though, the EM customer then still pays $20/month more than an EM+ plan and at the end of their 24 month contract they have slipped from $50 in the hole at their best point in time to a total of $130 in the hole and continuing to dig deeper.

Of course, if you have a really cheap legacy plan then the math above may not work as well in your situation. My math was comparing current EM plans to current EM+ plans so YMMV.
[Nexus One General] flarbear:
If you are going to start over with a brand new plan through Google then it will be an Even More plan.

You should read my last post before you do this because you could save a lot more waiting for T-Mobile to sell it and using an Even More Plus plan and paying for the phone with interest free installments. You pay less for the phone out the door and only $6.50 per month more than an EM customer and only for the first 20 months, then you pay $20 less per month than the EM customer.

You save $180 on day 1 and you are always ahead of the game every month. At the end of 2 years you would have paid $130 less than someone who buys the $180 deal through Google and the smallest your advantage ever would have been would have been $50 less than the EM customer. And on top of that, for all of your troubles, you aren't in a contract at all. It's kind of a win-win-win.

The lack of access to this really lucrative "Even More Plus with installment payment plan" option was one of the biggest complaints about the way the N1 was being sold. The $180 subsidy was nice, but people were really chafing over not having access to this T-Mobile payment option as it is the best they offer...
[Nexus One General] ChillRays:
I appreciate everybody's time and effort into explaining all my options. I'm going to explore all options and i'll let you guys know what I go with. Also (after I get my N1) a few of you will gain a couple of dollars through paypal because of this. Just give me a little time (talking about that last sentence). Thanks everybody, much appreciated.
[Nexus One General] MontAlbert:
i think this move sucks- sure it would be ok if they released the phone worldwide at once but a hell of a lot of us live in countries where it is still not available and without the online store we would have had to go thru ebay to get it. Personally i prefer the official online site (we had to use a mail forwarder to get it to us and a proxy to access site but at least we got it, and quickly- i had mine he in australia within 2wks of release).

I think they should keep the online store as an option to those of us OS.
[Nexus One General] attn1:
Good luck!
[Nexus One General] jj71787:
is this process happening as of right now or are they sending the phones to retail stores after the website closes?
[Nexus One General] Aztriltus:
Does this means that the n1 is branded?

If it is, then will it hinder its fast response of android's update such as Froyo and stuffs since the serivice provider determines the update of the phone?

I'm planning of getting the n1 as I feel that I would be guranteed to get an update from android (: - I do not like phones that are way behind time after awhile. I assume that n1 users have almost every update from android as soon as it is available right?

Currently now I'm using SE X10 and it's still running on 1.6. I will need to wait till september to get an update to 2.1 which 2.2 or higher would be available. SE is torturing me ): Hopefully the n1 will arrive in Singapore soon, I wish.
[Nexus One General] miketlo:
well look at it this way. do you see any videos of 2.2/flash being tested on anything other than a nexus one? i think its a sign that these build are made to work on the n1 and the actively develop on the n1 so updates will be super easy for them.
[Nexus One General] Aztriltus:
Oh, but still, does the branding of nexus affects its update in this case?

From what I have experienced, Singapore gets a slower update than other countries.

I just want a phone that is hassle-free - No ROM is needed, debranding and etc. The phone just keeps getting updates at a fast response for every update available. I know the n1 will definitely get an update but how often and fast for branded n1?

I will get impatient if the mobile blog states that there are updates available for n1 but I could not download it. - That's what I'm feeling now for my X10 lol. Bear with me, I'm desperate
[Nexus One General] Mokurex:
How does Singapore get slower update? 0.o

Nexus one in Singapore is not carrier-branded.
[Nexus One General] Aztriltus:
It's as compared to uk and us. For my X10, I'm still not getting any firmware update even though it's out now.

But will the nexus be carrier-branded? That's what I was trying to ask all along. If it is sold in retail stores, I assume that it will be sold together with the carrier which the nexus will be branded? And so, will this affect it's response of getting update like what I have started in my above posts?
[Nexus One General] gllu:
Guy's, does anyone expect a price cut on the phone when it goes to the stores? Or maybe some price cut in the google site itself? Anyone has some inner info?
[Nexus One General] ArcanaXVIII:
For the people asking if the Nexus One will be carrier branded, I'll add my insight concerning the Nexus One in Europe, sold by Vodafone/SFR.

As you know, in UK and France, Google has an exlusivity deal on the N1 with SFR and Vodafone. I can comment, as I bought my Nexus One via SFR in France, and the phone is in fact NOT branded NOR simlocked. You have to download the carrier apps on the Market (they're not even pre-installed).

We even have the same exact packaging as the US version sold by Google.

Though, we have a different ROM version (EPF21B), much like the AT&T Nexus One has a different ROM version than the T-Mobile Nexus One.
[Nexus One General] Aztriltus:
Oh wow. That's interesting. But not having the same firmware will not affect the 2.2 froyo update right? Did you get the update on the day everyone had the update? And do you have an up-to-date firmware if there is an firmware update available in marketfire ask nexus phones?
[Nexus One General] cigar3tte:
Finally read the blog, I don't see any mention of carrier stores, but just the word retail. It's anyone's guess if Google is thinking Best Buy or T-Mobile stores, or both.

If it's at Best Buy, then none of the branding should be involved?
[Nexus One General] RogerPodacter:
Exactly. It's totally retail, nothing about carriers. All the carriers passed on the nexus anyway at this point. They mean retail like best buy, frys electronics, etc.
[Droid Eris Android Development] FireSokar:
V3 is OTA, only file OTA has that V3 does not have is \System\App\UpgradeSetup.apk

V3 obviosuly has files that OTA does not because OTA is not a full upgrade, it is the only difference. So, Enjoy. Even the radio, recovery, and boot are the same as V3.
[Droid Eris Android Development] andrew8806:
Okay, See if they can install that .apk if not... then ohh well, not a big deal.
[Droid Eris Android Development] FireSokar:
That upgradesetup.apk is used by the device after the upgrade only to Upgrade the device... in otherwords not needed at all
[Droid Eris Android Development] edgeupgx:
What happend to friendstream???
[Droid Eris Android Development] stopxstart:
I'm pretty sure friendstream is an Sprint rom application that was ported over to the Eris.
[Droid Eris Android Development] andrew8806:
Friendstream was never supposed to be on the Eris 2.1:p
[Droid Eris Android Development] edgeupgx:
Well its not it was in the update notes it really isnt even something I care about but its not there. Another thing there is talk that people that went from 1.5 to 2.1 ota are still able to root so there have to be some pretty big differences between the two.
[Droid Eris Android Development] FireSokar:
You are mis-reading it. The only reason people would be able to is if bootloader doesnt get updated. This is allready updated past the s-OFF on a leaked non rooted 2.1 - The only hope is if what Zifnab is working on is completed.
[Droid Eris Android Development] edgeupgx:
Gah must have been one of those stupid blogs I read that said it was getting it I know I had saw it somewhere that it would be included.
[Droid Eris Android Development] andrew8806:
But if you were root you could get it on just about any Sense rom... ie:EvilEris 2.0.1, HDLegend, etc.
[Droid Eris Android Development] ssgtob1:
V3 is very different from OTA.........mainly the fact that OTA does not change HBOOT and you can still ROOT once you have done OTA. Check the thread over at androifforums. I cannot post links as this is my first post.

I am the one that verified this and will fully root my phone tonight.....99% positive it will work.
[Droid Eris Android Development] andrew8806:
Umm... im pretty sure you can't root the OTA just yet.... I don't care what AF says... lol... effin n00bz

Unless... one of our fine devs have already gotten it... but i dont think so yet!!!!!
[Droid Eris Android Development] bftb0:
He said 1.5 -> OTA 2.1, not leaker... so, their bootloader has not gone past the S-OFF version, if as you suggest the bootloader stays untouched.

Have a peek at ./META-INF/com/google/android/update-script (look for write_raw_image); it sort of looks like the kernel image (boot.img) and recovery partition are written, but a cursory inspection shows nothing similar for the bootloader, nor any files in the .zip which are exactly 512 kB.

As far as doing a file comparison between a post-install OTA phone and the leak-V3 code, it seems like a dev would actually have to compare post-patched code from the phone, something like this: (?)

1) Restore 1.5 but leave S-OFF in place (folks who did the Toastcfh "battery pull" can do this).

2) Run the update.zip (and pray that the bootloader is untouched).

3) Use fastboot+S-OFF to re-installl Amon_RA's recovery

4) Boot to recovery, and use adb to pull everything from /system, /data partitions back to the dev's PC

5) Restore whatever ROM you please

6) On the PC, compare phone files to leak V3 files (compare checksums or run binary diffs).

An even safer way would be to run the update in an emulator instance, but I'm not exactly sure how to set that up. (The SDK emulator is based off of QEMU - you can run arbitrary ARM code in it, but the update obviously needs to start with the Eris 1.5 code in the emulator).

On other matters, I note that there are some assertions at the beginning of the patch run:

assert file_contains("SYSTEM:build.prop", "ro.build.fingerprint=verizon/htc_desirec/desire
c/desirec:1.5/CUPCAKE/104882:user/release-keys") == "true" || file_contains("SYSTEM:build.
prop", "ro.build.fingerprint=verizon/htc_desirec/desirec/desirec:2.1/ERD79/165907:user/rel
ease-keys") == "true"

Anybody know which HTC leak matches the "2.1/ERD79" fingerprint?

Also, call me paranoid, but methinks HTC or Verizon are dicking with us - look at the ridiculous timestamps in the .zip file. Nobody is that sloppy.

bftb0
[Droid Eris Android Development] andrew8806:
I hope it works out...
[Droid Eris Android Development] ssgtob1:
Manually updating with the OTA file definitely does not change HBOOT at all. I had 1.47 before and I still have 1.47......leakers all have 1.49....if you need a video I can make that happen......and andrew no need to call anyone an effin noob, I have probably done more with software in the last 24 hours than you have in your lifetime.....all I am saying is that if you install the OTA you still have the option of rooting. I took the roo pb00img.zip after I did the OTA and HBOOT recognised it as valid and would allow me to upgrade.
[Droid Eris Android Development] notsed:
He's right. If you go from 1.5 to 2.1 OTA you can still root.
[Droid Eris Android Development] andrew8806:
#1 i wasn't calling you a n00b... I meant half the people in AF... so its whatever man... hope it works out for you.. :D No harm no foul...

#2 I hope it works out for you really do....

#3 if it does, I will apologize and welcome to root... If it doesn't then ohhh well...
[Droid Eris Android Development] ssgtob1:
Whatever.....just trying to help......but I get flamed by some asshole instead
[Droid Eris Android Development] andrew8806:
I guess the real question is... why did the leaks change the bootloader? that seems odd to me.
[Droid Eris Android Development] notsed:
The latest one (called leak 3, actually the 4th leak :p) is the same: ro.build.fingerprint=verizon/htc_desirec/desirec/desirec:2.1/ERD79/165907:user/release-keys
[Droid Eris Android Development] ssgtob1:
Thank you.......:D
[Droid Eris Android Development] andrew8806:
Edit posts... sorry for being a douche.... I hope it does work and you can enjoy root as much as the rest of us have.
[Droid Eris Android Development] bftb0:
ssgtob1,

If you are up for it, consider doing the "Toastcfh" battery pull method to install only the S-OFF bootloader. (I've done it twice with no ill effects. I can't make any claim that it is absolutely safe, but it would appear that you can pull the battery before the bootloader even starts to get it's legs underneath itself. I'm pretty sure that there's no flashing of anything going on until the bootloader has fired up completely. Just pull the battery in the 2-3 seconds after the screen goes black for the reboot.)

That would allow you to install Amon_RA's recovery partition (via fastboot), but you still would have a "factory" 2.1-OTA phone. Some of the devs might be interested in seeing a copy of your /system and /data partitions, which can be pulled (recursively) from within Amon_RA's recovery by using adb.

Also, the nice thing about that hack is that you can make a Nandroid backup of your "factory" phone, so that you can always return to it if you want, should you decide you don't like any of the other ROMs Best of both worlds, really.

bftb0
[Droid Eris Android Development] ssgtob1:
I am totally going to try and do it this way......will keep everyone updated....

Thanks
[Droid Eris Android Development] ssgtob1:
I did it and have the nandroid backup
[Droid Eris Android Development] FireSokar:
This thread is obviously being taken off-topic one more post about rooting the V3 and ill request mods to remove the thread. make another thread. This thread is only here to state the differences between V3 and OTA. Not a new hope for leaked users wanting to root.
[HD2 General] ChrisLK:
Hey Guys,

I´ve got a big problem with my HD2 and 16 GB SD-Card.

When I am using it for navigation in my car and connect it with my cigarette lighter, the HD2 crashes after about 5 minutes. The Backsite is very warm/hot.

I´ve tryed it with Igo8 and Ndrive. Same Problem.

The ROM-Version is the new T-Mobile from the HTC Site.

I hope that one of you can help me.
[Hero CDMA General] nbroneobi:
sprint Android 2.1 now available for Samsung Moment! Details and instructions here - http://bit.ly/bfOw9j. Hero users, you're up next!

finally something beside (soon) lol lets hope its over the weekend
[Hero CDMA General] Kcarpenter:
Only reason we are up next is because we are the only other Android Phone on Sprint :(

"Next" could still mean end of the month...or even next month.
[Hero CDMA General] nbroneobi:
trust me i know i could care less about getting the (official one) but it would be nice for flipz toast and damageless to get their hands on it finally.
[Hero CDMA General] HeroMeng:
Not exactly. The newest leaked RUU is signed with release-keys (as opposed to test-keys) which means it COULD (keyword could) be the actual release.
[Hero CDMA General] Kcarpenter:
QFT - posted that before we had a leak...damn it *Sticks foot in mouth*
[Hero CDMA General] HeroMeng:
All we need to do is cross our fingers and wait. Anyone brave enough to go stock and give us a system dump when it comes?
[Hero CDMA General] dragonziggy:
I'm game... I'm still running stock 1.5 and had intended on waiting for the official release of 2.1 before rooting and flashing a custom ROM. If it helps everyone out I'm game with running 2.1 Stock for a while until someone figures out how to root that or I end up buying an EVO.

Just tell me what everyone needs and (how to do it) the day it's released I'll flash the Stock 2.1 and do whatever...
[Hero CDMA General] nbroneobi:
well well well turns out its already leaked lol. i flashed it and its crazy fast just waiting for damageless to put his flair on it and all is good. thank god for rooting
[Hero CDMA General] boredmug:
I got this refurb. last week and flashed it and started using using it. Well last night i was trying to take a picture of my kids and it would not focus. I thought maybe it was the rom i was using so i switched roms. No dice. It turns out no matter what rom i use the camera takes nothing but extremely blurry pictures. Doesn't matter whether i'm taking a still image or the distance. BLURRY. I know some people aren't happy with the camera in general but this is totally unusable. I even tried switching the quality to 1 megapixel. Same thing. So basically i think the camera on this refurb. is a POS. What im wondering is if Sprint is gunna give me problems when i want to exchange this thing. Otherwise im happy with the refurb, but i have twin two year olds and use the camera a lot.
[Hero CDMA General] tedya:
Just flash it back using the backup I hope you did of the stock ROM. If not, there is a stock ROM RUU floating around here somewhere. Then take it to the Sprint store to have it replaced.
[Hero CDMA General] boredmug:
yea, i'm not really worried about returning it to stock, just a little pissed that i get a pre-broken replacement for my broken phone.
[Hero CDMA General] dirkyd3rk:
dude they did the same thing to me, i got a refurb in a week ago, the refurb screen had dead pixels in it already, so i just used this pixel fixerr app and it seems like it corrected the dead or sticky pixels or whatever their called, but i feel like this phone was jacked up when they sent it to me, also the menu and other keys make this weird ass noise when i press them now, smh:mad:
[Hero CDMA General] johnpryor:
there is a little peice of tape like protection film on the inside of back cover pull it offf.... lol had the same problem... wife found tape and laughed at me.
[Hero CDMA General] Nsandhu23:
Hahahaha my mom has the same problem I hope the tape thing is true.
[Hero CDMA General] borrowedchief:
Ditto :(

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