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[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Da_G:
Thanks for the suggestion, i'm a twitter newbie and didn't know you could do that :) I put it in my signature, it should be in the first post now!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] kameleongt:
^ thanks for the great work and progress I wish I knew waht all that stuff meant and wish I could lend a hand. thanks again
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] smuppy:
I've said it before and I'll (gladly!) say it again... you and your work is invaluable to everyone in this community...
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] StevieBallz:
WP7 Documentation

I don't know if anyone noticed, but as there was no mention of it I thought I'd post it:

HTCPedia and tweakers.net seem to have published lots of technical information on WP7 recently, according to this engadget article: http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/24/windows-phone-7-more-technical-tidbits-exposed/

The article mentions that WP7 is actually still based on a CE6 core, which would mean that the route taken in relocating the modules would be correct (as it is based around CE6 documentation).
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] RustyGrom:
You can see the original documents here.

The OS version info was originally posted by Da_G back in March.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Thuggie:
good luck! :)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] marnold.bhb:
Thanks for all you are doing...I, for one, REALLY appreciate ya! :D
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] CONTACTMC:
Even though the target donations were met, am still sending some cash your way, all the best with this!!! Transaction ID: 6CP05229MV219593K
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] dcordes:
edit: gnarf, what is this thousand dollar device for? do you know where the jtag pins are? are they accessible?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] vladimir2989:
i understand its a long and complicated process, to port a rom, especially one that haven't been done before, but can someone give rough, estimated, educated guess based time of availability date ?

do u think it will be ready by the end of June ? July ?

big thanks to Da_G for spending time on this and everyone else involved.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] fr3sh_t0_d3f:
There is no telling if or even when this will be ready, but da_g is working on it.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Ultimaex:
HSPL for HD2 has been developed by JTAG, too. Thats why im sure there IS an existing JTAG interface. Furthermore the chipset needs to be initially written which is only possible via JTAG.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Da_G:
@dcordes:

Regarding the device, it's a modular JTAG firmware flashing/debugging system with the necessary diagnostic bits to determine where the JTAG pinout is, such as an oscilloscope. (No we don't know where the JTAG pins are, we need to locate them)

However i've thrown the idea of that particular solution out the window after the company got back to me with a price quote which makes the $1000 price sound like a steal :P

I'm currently looking into the "CodeViser" which used to be the OpenIce A-1000, and claims support for QSD:

http://www.jndtech.com/english/product01.html?page=03&sub=01

Waiting to hear back from the company regarding a price quote. The spelling of "JTAG" in their product demonstration images is very re-assuring too :)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] udK:
wow, are you doing an awesome work my friend ;)

keep it up!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] MikeHD2:
Da_G, and by what percentage, roughly, are you finished?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] :
√π²

Roughly...
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Da_G:
I duno how much laughing is involved, the only funny part is how many other problems cropped up on me in the middle of development :)

I'm adding all the support on to my libnb.dll, which is an extensible module that I will open up to all Kitchen developers to use soon. It's already been made available to those programmers who have shown interest. My end goal for libnb is to serve as the back-end to handle all low-level kitchen functions (dump and build of filesystems, module relocations, container dump/build, etc.) I have about 8 of the 12 currently implemented functions done, which are all the dump functions, and one build one. All of the functions will support both wm6.x and wm7+ :)

As to work specific to the HD2, waiting to hear from the developers of "CodeViser", and regarding the device, as I still don't have mine (still waiting on the xda member I am purchasing from), nothing done there yet. Although I am working with one or two very talented individuals on bootloader development :)

Re: TC, he is not working with me so I cannot comment on any progress he may or may not have made.

Since you asked for a percantage, here's a rough guesstimate on percentage complete for the software applicable to any WP7 device: 20%

Edit: Blade0rz percentage guesstimate is probably more accurate :P
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] imtiyazee:
We all wish you great success
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] sala91:
Hope, by time i get the phone WP7 is ready (Y)

Keep up the work
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] dcordes:
@ Da_G

Did you see the research information on the HD2 at

http://htc-linux.org/wiki/index.php?title=Leo

I'm sure this could be useful to you guys. If so you could contribute back a little by adding your findings

What's more important? The debugging or flashing ?

Once the JTAG pins are located will it be easy to make use of this ?

Also, did you think about accessing nand from within linux? (savety not guaranteed)

Expensive beasts!

You should think twice before getting a non CodeViser product. Using new JTGA feature is a blast to your productivity.

What is your main problem right now? There are some rom dumps from WP7 and your fixing to get it into nand and run it, right? Are those actually rootfilesystems from real phones or is this from some emulator or so?

edit: What architecture are those wp7 builds available compiled for? Do they have neon support? Are there any drivers you are expecting to use?

Like do you think you will ever be able to produce a working hd2 touchscreen driver for windows phone 7?

Sorry for all the questions. It's just that I have no clue about the windows hackery but I'mvery curious about what's going on with it on hd2 ;)

keep up the good work

cheers

edit2: could you make the linux/android on hd2 thread sticky? no moderator seems to drop by http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=651632
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] jr_daza:
In nice to se Dcordes on this foum. him and D_ga handle the most importar projects for the HD2 so far... at least for me .

guys keep the good work we really appreciate what you do.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] DunkDream:
Since the guys of CodeVisier did not reply until now, maybe it would be better to call them via phone?

That's what I would do. Talking with the guys on the phone will be the best, I think, because then you can ask them many question and don't have to wait to get them answered.

But this is just an idea :)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] vaskodogamagmail:
THUMBS UP

Da_G, you know what? you're a GENIUS! Can't wait to see you progress with this project!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Jdawg183:
You know, we haven't heard anything from DA_G for almost 2 weeks now, when Tom Codon put up those videos, he suddenly disappeared shortly after, maybe Microsoft has started taking a more "proactive" approach in containing leaks??? You ok DA_G? Blink twice if M$ is holding you against your will!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Da_G:
My last update to twitter was 2 days ago, i'd hardly call that nearly 2 weeks, but here's another update right now if 2 days is too long!

I could release the toolset in it's current state but it wouldn't be good for too much. Nearly everything is 1/2 done. Want to help me code it? Hows your C++? :)

The only reason I didn't update in last 2 days is we just had an election on June 8 here in California. I was busy all day working a polling site - Supporting democracy! - Check for "Gabriel Peters" in that pdf if you'd like to see :)

Anywho, during the lulls in activity I was able to get a decent amount of work done on the toolset. l3v5y has been working on IMGFS stuffs while i'm working on BinFS stuffs, and both are about 3/4 done right now. MFG-NB support is ready, but the headers for a flash.store.bin still perplex me. Module relocation code is in the works. Anyway, i've hardly disappeared, i'm just posting updates to twitter rather than here so I don't clutter up the board too much. Did I forget to put a link in the first post of this thread? /me goes off to do that.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Fdo35:
WP7 should be close to RTM now, saying as though Microsoft's giving away a WP7 device in their "I Need This App" contest. Maybe whoever wins will be able to provide a dump of the OS or system info and drivers (below is my entry and I would definitely do that, by the way). Oh, and although I know very little C++, I can do basic C# programming, if that can be of any assistance.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Mindreaver:
Nice updates, Da_G.

Just read a HD2's coming your way, great!

Hopefully CodeVisor's gonna wake up...
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] saints5354:
http://pocketnow.com/tech-news/microsoft-to-bless-windows-phone-7-developers-with-some-test-hardware

Just hope someone from XDA can get a hand on it ....
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] turt:
Okay, so 2 days ago tom_codon has finally made a new public statement regarding WP7 porting:

Source
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Jdawg183:
Dude, I honestly am sorry, I was not meaning to offend you, I just thought (incorrectly apparently) that I was being funny. That was meant to be a jab at M$, not you. I have nothing but respect for you, and I just don't do the Twitter thing, so I had no idea you were using that as the primary source for updates.

I promise, I meant no disrespect. I agree with the others, I think M$ should be offering ppl like you a job! Anyway, now that I have embarrassed myself, I will just sit back and quietly watch your progress. Thanks for all you do.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] xdmcdmc:
@chuck232

I think we have just to wait and see what's happening. I believe the xip and drivers for HD2 will be available only after a device with WP7 will be on the market. But this is my assumption. We will see ...
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Steven855:
Can anyone give me some short information on the new XPH codec? Is it better with performance/storage than the current compression types (XPR/LZX)?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] ThaDeanesta:
But who knows? WP7 is based on CE7 which is Could (Maybe) be ported to ARMv6. It would take some hard work and elbow grease, but hey its possible!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Fdo35:
On the bright side, if WP7 can't be ported to the HD2, WM 6.x is part of the Windows Embedded division now (Windows Embedded Handheld), and MS is going to continue development on it (Windows Embedded Handheld 7, which the Moto ES400 will be upgradeable to, is coming in the second half next year).
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] ~~Tito~~:
That looks very promising, saw this on engadget and it looks nice.

Engadget
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] norgan:
hmm interesting...haha i wonder if the hd2 would run as a mini phone enabled tablet.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] :
Also it seems that Cotulla is also working on some kind of WP7 bootloader for the HD2 - at least according to the #htc-linux logs :)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Da_G:
Yeah, i've been talking with Cotulla about it, and gave him lots and lots of info from my work so far :) He's much smarter than I am regarding that stuff!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] vaskodogamagmail:
we are counting on you man!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] joe_coolish:
Da_G + Cotulla = WIN :)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Windcape:
English is hard :p

Why do people even to load the emulator software over on a older phone anyways? Wait for a proper ROM from a retail phone if anything.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Mindreaver:
Someone (named Linuzz) said on the htc-linux IRC channel this JTAG thing is also working for the HD2: http://www.omnia-repair.com/

Don't know if that's true, I'm a total layman on this :)

It is quite cheap though ^^
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Mindreaver:
Not random people, we donated it to Da_G!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] jelliottz:
I see a donation like this towards future development as extending the life expectancy of a device. A small donation here and there to help out someone who can potentially save you hundreds of dollars by not having to buy a new device? This woukd appear to be a sound return on an INVESTMENT.

Keep up the great work.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Windcape:
Donations for doing something just make it seems like work. The idea is doing something for fun, what will enhance ones own experience, and help others at the same time. Also people seem to think they can expect a result, or require things, when they donate.

Not to mention, it's generally considered rude to give hard cash for help where I live ;)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] oTToToTenTanz:
You can buy him a beer when he's finished. But please stop spamming for now. Thanks.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] ~~Tito~~:
Thread cleaned up a bit. Please people no gossip or stuff like that, I am nice and will leave the thank you posts but don't go too crazy. 4 pages of clutter is not good
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] ankur1234:
My take:

My $100.00 was not for my love towards Da_G or Windows Mobile 7. It is my respect for his brains and his knowledge. Irrespective of if WM7 come out for HD2 I respect the people behind a certain goal. When I cannot contribute technical knowldedge towards a certain goal, I will do my best to support the people are working towards it. Even without knowing Da_G I will tell you one thing. Any one who can prove that he had 1 beer or smoke with the money donated, I will donate another $1000 towards any goodwill cause.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] pkchips:
why is development here so slow compared to other projects, despite the fact that Da_G got a comparatively massive donation? :S

Has he still not bought that machine he needs? Surely he has enough donations by now....
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Da_G:
Actually there wasn't enough to get the machine (check my twitter, the amount they charge is about 4x the donations)

So rather than go down that route i've attempted to modify the BLDR and AMSS, no luck so far. I can't get the proper debug output to know what exactly needs to be modified. This project is quite a bit different than any other project, there is no established porting method or a large pool of donator ROMs. There's only one ROM I have access to so far that is even close to the HD2 hardware (Mondrian), and it's sufficiently different that the initialization won't complete. With the proper debug output this would be easier to diagnose...

I've at least got the toolset working properly with WP7 ROMs now, so that's something. I'm attempting to get my hands on the HD2 WP7 BSP which i'm sure exists, but is closely guarded. The probability of success on this project is not high, i'm quite sure I never gave anyone that impression. I did however say I would give it my best, and that's what i'm doing! You are welcome to contribute your excellent ARM disassembly skills, I could certainly use more help :)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] bleeman:
Do you even read the thread....or just complain?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] sim36:
massive donations?

massive donation - that got me thinking of the kind of donations that were given to assist Haitians after the quake.

Massive, surely not. Let him work through it - if not before I bet once wp7 is released Da_G will have a wealth of knowledge to get root and port to HD2. The work starts early at XDE developers..
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] chris5932:
Just an idea.. what about some kind of HarEt for WP7?

Cheers
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] tundra84:
...what? Haret is a linux bootloader upon which any distro of linux can be run (android, ubunto, centos, etc.) through windows ce 5. So are you proposing he writes an entirely new emulation layer for windows phone 7, which runs on windows ce 6, on top of wm 6.5, which uses windows ce 5? That's like trying to emulate windows 7 on top of windows vista (or, given the sheer magnitude of difference between wm and wp7, windows xp would be closer to the truth). Although I haven't been following this project I'd be fairly willing to bet that it's easier to do a straight port instead of using wm as a middle man and write a brand new emulation environment to run wp7 within. Nice idea but unfortunately the execution of such a plan would require a much more thorough understanding of windows ce 6 than I think is currently possible considering windows ce 6 hasn't been released to the general public.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Crash1983:
May this help us: http://www.ort-jtag.com/index.php

They say it supports QSD8250! And it is cheap.

Greetings from Germany,

Sebastian
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Da_G:
@Crash1983:

Yes, I just mentioned this in my twitter yesterday :) They just added support that day! I'll be picking one up ASAP.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] noellenchris:
Sweet, hopefully it doesn't take months to get from china... good luck Da_G, and thanks for all your work! :D
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] zarathustrax:
I don't believe haret emulates on top of windows... it shuts down the windows ce kernel and launches the linux kernel. There's no emulation. There's no running anything on top of anything. It would be cool is ann app could be written to shut down ce5 and boot ce6 to run wp7... we could have a triple booting phone with wm6.5, wp7, and android!! I would love that, but I don't know how possible it is.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] chris5932:
Yes, I also don't know, thats why I asked ;P

3 different OS on a phone.. wow..android..ubuntu..windows mobile..windows phone 7..

It's not an easy job :-/

Cheers
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] irdawood:
Have they responded with price and shipping times? as it appears a lot of these companies take a long time to respond to queries.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Da_G:
You're telling me!

No response yet. And the developer posted to gsmforum just yesterday. I'll probably make an account on there and leave a message, looks like they respond quicker there..

But if I don't get a response by a few days i'll probably just roll the dice and buy it, at the price it's hard to go wrong :P
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] RustyGrom:
Someone needs to track down this guy and ask him to share the phone builder bits!!! Too bad those forums don't have a private message feature :(

http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Fo...s/thread/0f2adc70-e85b-485a-986d-555034977871

It's really funny seeing posts like this from people. There has been several times where people in the beta leaked info. For example, we now know MSFT has a build of the dev tools with the panorama and pivot controls for some people to use. Super annoying for the rest of us.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Da_G:
Unfortunately the NDA is very strict regarding that stuff. Access is only given to OEMs/Partners. That user is very clearly in breach of NDA and if MSFT tracked that down they would slap him across the face with legalese from attack lawyers.

Don't ask me how I know!

Suffice it to say, if those bits were ever floating around the three internets, access would be restricted to only the most trusted individuals, and if it ever made it somewhere that MS caught wind of it... Those things are all watermarked in multiple places. Don't ask me how I know! :P

BTW. Here's an interesting term to google along the same lines, since you're curious:

"Microsoft Jetstream" (use the quotes)

I might get a cadre of attack lawyers after me just for typing those 2 words in the same sentence. :x
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] RustyGrom:
How do you know?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Da_G:
First rule of fight club!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] dazza9075:
lol, you realised that you have just a, confused the hell out of all the young ones, and b, in doing so have made all us oldies feel even older! :)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Windcape:
The young ones know it as the first rule of the internet.

That been known for quite a while.

They're being released in a few weeks from now.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Fdo35:
I don't get it. With both Bing and Google I found it as a free download on multiple sites (even on Microsoft's own website), but I seriously don't get what's so unusual about it. :confused:
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Da_G:
Mmmm, my guess, you're looking at the wrong Jetstream :) You won't find this one as a free download on any site. (Although I suppose technically it is a free download since you don't have to pay for it once you have access.. :))

Here's a publicly accessible link which references it that should clarify a bit:

https://partner.microsoft.com/download/US/40037763
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Fdo35:
Oh, I see, thanks. But I still don't understand all the talk of lawyers and such. :confused:
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Windcape:
Da_G: It's some old documents. I think what you're referring to, is today called Microsoft BizSpark , or just the Microsoft Partner Network.

But yes, the idea is a closed-network distribution of the software. Which likely binds companies and developers on hands and feet with NDAs, and threats about fire and brimstone.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] irdawood:
Da_G, hey I understand that the jatag has arrived, can you explain to us the due process now, please.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] drownage:
Hey, so anyone here been able to get their hands on hardware yet? since some devs are getting test hardwares, maybe one of them can find a way to extract ROM, figure out how to port it to other devices?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Steven855:
Please read (or have read) the previous posts (or at least the first few posts) before you ask. Tools to extract and make WM7 roms are in the process of being made. I will say that unless your phone was released this year, your phone will not be up to par as far as running WM7 is concerned.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] RustyGrom:
His question was legit. We haven't seen a ROM dump from the Samsung or LG devices yet that are now it a decent amount of people's hands.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Steven855:
I'm sorry; I thought he was one of those people (that just asks without reading the rest of the thread) asking how to run WM7 on his device. I understand now.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] fone_fanatic:
so you think if we do get a dump off one of the samsung devices would it be easier to port it to an i8910 HD?

My brother has one that he doesn't use and it would be awesome to port windows phone 7 to it.

But that brings up the question if microsoft actually modded its hardware, like changed the screen and upped its processor. We know from samsung that its a hacked i8910 HD:

Also i know there is a jtag available for the samsung device thats easily found online.