yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] zole2112:
Just sent you a donation, looking forward to rocking my HD2 with Win7! Thanks man!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] eigerzoom:
didn't the leaked spec sheet of wm7 state armv6 and above?

am i just behind the times

thanks for everyones work
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] nikoan89:
Amazing work Da_G! Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] dazza9075:
It is not certain that it will work, dont get your hopes up or your kickers in a twist if it comes do nothing.

Silently hoping it does however but we shall have to wait and see.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Stefano_1986_:
ID transazione: 6NA49355LX5868833

A small gift for your great work
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Willy318is:
Please let us Know if Donations can help, I would invest $100 or even more so that the HD2 sees the Light.

and Please guys, we invested and accepted donations to buy an HD2 Plus the Trace32 App, so let's focus on developing Win 7 for HD2 currently, later, I think that other devices can reap the benifits too.

Best of Luck to you Da_G

Will
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] jamieeeee:
Really kind of you to help him (and indirectly all of us :) ) out that way :D
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Cney:
Wanting to do my share the way i can

Hey peeps,

Ive been following the progress on the port almost daily and have kept my mouth shut untill i had something usefull.

I'm not an uber coder/developer but i have done my share in OSX86, Trying to simply port a driver from Solaris. It sucks donkey testicles. so i respect the effort of Porting this

But back to business:

@ Da_G; i know i live really far so i cannot help you directly.

But i could probably try to solder the old phone or something else. I am an engineer by day and by night have modded almost everything PC's, custom watercooling, Turntables, Guitars and amps, Xboxes (or would it be Xbi? :P) and lots more.

My soldering skills are quite good and i have the tools to go fairly microscopic at work.

Let me know if you could use this.

Probably not due to distance. but i just want to help
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] domineus:
I would rather this be cotulla's september surprise and not a nand android IMO but looks like development is back on track thankfully. Anything we can do to help?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] HD2Owner:
nice. thanks for the update. :D

can you or cotulla please give us some detailed infos?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Da_G:
Wow! The phone got here quick, thanks ankur1234.

The included replacement screen was digitizer part only, unfortunately however damage is quite extensive, it appears to have been run over by a large SUV! :) Some components are actually visible through where there used to be LCD, impressive!

Fortunately I retained entire LCM assembly from HD2 which had the damaged motherboard, should be able to change it out entirely. I'll attempt repair this weekend. Gotta warm up the oven to loosen all the $&*!#@ glue HTC tied the phone together with :P

@Cney: I'm talking with another member about a possible repair attempt on the motherboard trace, i'll contact you via PM for more info. At first glance the motherboard on ankur1234's damaged device appears fully intact, so maybe a repair is not neccessary. Won't know for sure until it boots up!

@HD2Owner: For the moment it's probably prudent to "not show our hand" :)

Edit: For the curious, here's a photo of the damaged HD2:
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] ankur1234:
Hi Da_G

The phone used to work. I used it with the broken screen for about 2weeks before i bought another one. So good luck. Sorry for a broken phone. :)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] jelliottz:
@Da_G: take it with a grain of salt. Your work is appreciated and supported by more than you know. Thank you for what you have done / are doing.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Da_G:
No worries. I don't fault anyone for saying whats on their mind :)

Side note, here's a photo of the HTC HD2 JTAG JIG from Multi-COM that I mentioned earlier, no more destroying motherboards with my horrible soldering skills :)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] pieryx:
very impressive..

http://cotulla.pp.ru/leo/WP7S/IMAG0202.jpg
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] imfloflo:
@Da_G Great work, i like reading your post about how you progress.

BTW: Just FYI : Note that those with Tech Preview prototype phones will not be getting upgraded to the RTM build.

Hope we can find a way to upgrade Tech preview prototype to the RTM, M$ want developers to buy new phone !

http://windowsphonesecrets.com/2010/09/01/windows-phone-7-rtm/

edit: apparently Tech Preview device can be flash with RTM tools
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] RustyGrom:
Nice! I wonder if they got a copy of the BSP for the snapdragon? Hopefully we can just merge the binaries from WP7 with that base and have a working WP7 build. This would potentially work for other future devices as well. Fingers crossed!

Developers don't have to buy the devices and I think they have to be returned to Microsoft.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] domineus:
nice news. But why would we working on the tech prototype when there are some leaked final device roms that will be available???
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Viper Matrix Wireless:
I am very curious on how he got Windows 7 compact embedded onto the HD2.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] imfloflo:
Maybe it's just a screen, or the emulator with vnc on HD2 ? need a video and some explanations too
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Da_G:
Repair was a success! The busted-up HD2 looks and works as good as new now (minus the FCC label, some other labels, and some glue hehe)

Re: CE7 on HD2, it's certainly not fake :) I just wish I could get ahold of a newer version to work with (or WP7) - that particular build is pretty outdated at this point.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] M..N:
Well done. has any work been started on jtag for wp7
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] HD2Owner:
@all:

can anyone get his hands on the final rtm build of wp7 that went out to oem's during the last days?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Viper Matrix Wireless:
Can Windows 7 Compact Embedded provide a cell signal & data connection?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] domineus:
if only con was still in the game he would do that for sure!

I haven't seen or heard any rom leaks though at all maybe in a few days/weeks there will be (hopefully sooner)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Viper Matrix Wireless:
I wonder if Da_G used these instructions to run the Compact Embedded?

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff769921.aspx
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] ceesheim:
maybe a stupid Question but did cotulla flash win ce7 on a hd2 ?

what is the difference between ce7 and wp7 on a kernel level ?

is there some thread or something els where we can read what cotulla is doing ?

and last but not leased , D_AG are you working with cotulla ?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Da_G:
Hey, long weekend here, so was out and about! CE7 and WP7 share largely the same kernel, similar in situation to CE5/WM6 (there is a large amount of differing code, but most of the low level stuff [drivers, services, memory allocation] is the same)

Cotulla and I did collaborate on the project, yes :) It isn't CE7 flashed to the HD2 exactly (it's a RAM loader, the stuff is loaded into ram and executed from there rather than running directly off flash)

TBH that part of things is beyond my own skill level and i'm supporting Cotulla in any way I can. I'm focusing more on the software side of things (dump/modify/build)

Regarding CE7 being able to maintain a cell/data connection, yes, it can do that. It has no support for phone usage though.

Regarding following those instructions, it's something like asking if you follow the instructions "build a house" to cut the trees down, cut them into boards, treat the wood, design a floor plan, erect a foundation, build the walls, put a roof on it, and furnish the place. Sure, the instructions were followed. But there's alot more to it than that :) Like getting ahold of the OS to work with in the first place!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] ceesheim:
thanks for answering my questions .

but if he ( you ) can load win ce7 in a ram drive isn't it then also possible to load wp7 in a ram drive and run it ( or is wp7 to big or the ram to small )

dos this also mean that if you can load win ce 7 or wp7 in ram and get it running, it is only a matter of time till some genius ( you , Cotulla ) get it to flash on a hd2 or other phone ?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] imfloflo:
So finally M$ allow tech preview device to be flashed with the lastest build RTMLKG8 aka 7.0.0.7003 .

I think work will be accelerate when devices come out.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Laurentius26:
Great news and nice you are working together.

Thanks a lot for the update.

Grtz Leo :)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] HD2Owner:
@da_g: do you have the rtm-build of wp7 already...?

@cotulla:

can you give us some infos about your collabo-project?

no details about how you do it (like da_g said not for now)...

but please give us small progress report (what's working.. and what's not working etc...)

or maybe just some pics/video's etc....

i can't wait...... (i guess i'm not the only one...) :eek::D
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] saints5354:
Same here.

To sell of my HD2 and go for new WP7 phone is the last thing i would consider ... keep it up ...
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] HD2Owner:
hehe... :D

i would NEEEEEEVEEEEEER EEEEEEEEEVEEEEEER give away my HD2... :eek:

But i'm sure i will get the HD7 someday if it looks like the latest leaked htc android phone...

many hd2 flaws are fixed in this leaked htc device:

http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/27/mysterious-verizon-bound-htc-handset-appears-mysteriously-on-the/

-camera at the same level like the back-case

-headphone-jack back on the top

-dedicated power button is back

-dedicated camera button

-speaker not on the back anymore

-kickstand on device (only on extended battery cover for hd2)

-sturdier design

-etc....

it's funny to see... the xperia x1 had all these "features" and htc simply changed it too much with the hd2.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] imfloflo:
Here is a quick video of differences between the boot of jailbroken iphone 3GS, WP7 and android G1 1.6 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIPME4JqWzQ

Hope developement can be accelerate with the new device release very soon. Really need a dual boot device wp7 and android 2.2+
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] orangekid:
you're not lying man, the fact is the HD2 is probably the ONLY phone that will be able to dual (or Tri) boot winpho7 + 2.2 (or 3.0) + maybe winmo 6.x if anyone wants it still, because the only other solution is try to get a nand or haret of Android on an actual wp7 device and lord knows that looks like it's going to be harder than throwing a leaf.

dual-boot ftw.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Conflictingpro:
lmao @ "harder than throwing a leaf"
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] ankur1234:
Hey buddy

Just curious if there is any progress. Kindly update when you get a chance. Is there any thing else I can do to help you.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] weixiong:
all you can do is donation~~~~
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] sorodrigo:
wp7 will exist at some point in hd2? :)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] unlockMe:
no........
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] microang:
YES IT WILL!!! One of the developers from the android and HSPL team is going to be working on getting WP7 onto the HD2, he has already created a bootloader that can run both WM and Android from the NAND and once the android port is finished in the next month or so the WP7 development will begin! :D Some progress has already been made but an rtm ROM will be required as a suitable base.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] NarSan:
it's a great news, thanks :)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] J6B:
HTC Mozart spec

Hi,

The HTC Mozart spec leaked and I find his hardware really similar to the HD2.

It will use the same Qualcomm proc (QSD8250), same 512MB ROM size, same (unlocked) 576MB RAM size, ...

Da_G,

What's your mind about that?

I think the ROM of this model will be the best base for HD2

Anyway, thanks a lot for all your work on this project.

J6B.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] lifeknot:
is really good news, I was sad with the HD2, is a machine full of potential.

waiting for news...
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] hoss_n2:
the hd3 has the same specifications like our hd2 http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=8273206#post8273206
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] qjsmartphone:
ok so if that is the problem what if we tried to run winphone 7 on a cortex device like the droid x or tegra based devices.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] qjsmartphone:
ok but what about the opposite like porting windows phone 7 onto an andriod based device like the samsung galaxy s or HTC's android based lineup is that possible since WP7 is compiled under armv7 instruction set and some android based phones have cortex A8 and higher processors.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] RustyGrom:
Since many of you are familiar with desktop computers I'll put it like this.

Let's say you've got two different motherboards with the same Intel chipset, same Audio chip, USB, etc. Does that mean you can just slap the BIOS from one motherboard on the other? Not at all. The difference between phones and PCs is that the "BIOS" in (boot loader specifically) is different for WM6, WP7, and Android. The BIOS and system drivers are all specific to that specific device. There's several minor components that may not be the same between them and are likely in different configurations. With a phone, everything is extremely simplified and specific to that device; there's no generic VGA driver that is loaded before the specific GPU driver for example.

So yea, it's definitely possible to make all this work. It will just take considerable effort and skill to make it happen. And as for the HD2, what's the gain? It's one device that's already been out for a year. Maybe if the port was made already it would be one thing but as time goes on, it becomes less and less useful. The real upside for all this will be buying one device (Android or WP7 based) and being able to change and/or pick your OS. The benefit here with Android is that it's obviously (mostly) open source. That helps with getting things going as there's less reverse engineering and you can just skip to the regular engineering. Based on that, and MS having protections against this sort of thing in WP7, the best/easiest solution going forward will probably be to run Android on a WP7 device and not vice versa.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] demon20007:
@RustyGom

I've read your message about 5 times and I still dont get it. Whats the gain of buying a new phone, since they are almost the same as hd2???!!!

Are you working for HTC or maybe you are a HTC Shareholder? Right?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] pack21:
IF HD2 dont have a port of WM7 i dont care of WM7.......MS want i start to like Android, with new DesireHD ported to HD2.....so if i can have yhe WM7, in future i will be hooked to Gingerbread and buy a Android Device.

MS gain some of my money, in HD2 WM6.5, no more WM devices, until i have a free update to WM7 by porting or offcially means.

they have to deserve again my trust.:mad:
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] domineus:
yeah but htc_linux already said openly on pocket now they would not put linux on wp7 (specifically the hd3)

so that makes the porting to that platform (for that group) not happening yet)

though I can honestly say I hope wp7 is ported to the hd2
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] RustyGrom:
Well you're not getting it because you're looking for something in my post that's not there. I'm not making any attempt to sell anyone a phone. I don't care what you buy. I'm simply explaining why it's not as easy as people make it out to be for us (XDA, etc as a whole) to port WP7 to existing devices. Just because the hardware is similar when you look at the main chips doesn't mean you can just stick the firmware from a different device on there. It's just not that simple. Now, how hard would it be for Microsoft or HTC to get a build working on the HD2? Probably not all that hard. They have the source and drivers. We don't. Why won't they? The buttons are the common excuse and it's valid from a user experience standpoint.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] dagreg:
You guys are doing a great job (Da G & CO).

Now regarding the update for the HD 2, I was once told that I will get a free update for my HD 2 as WP7 is available, now it is said that you need to buy a new device.

So I couldn't agree more, when people say they will dump MS for an Android rom or stick on winmo 6.5.

As Android is gaining more customers and has a large choice of apps, MS is still doing things "the old (MS) way", that is definitely not the best way to (re)gain new customers.

So you Guys, are the only hope, if things don't work out my (expensive) HD2 will be kind of worthless, what's the point ob having a Porsche with a Chriysler Neon engine...? ;-)

Looking forward to get a new Miri EGTX Rom with WP/.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] orangekid:
Da_G,

I know you probably won't update with specifics, but can you tell us if you're even still working on this project or if it is even a possibility at this point?

Thanks.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] efjay:
So you are blaming MS because an unauthorised person told you a lie (probably to get you to buy the phone) and after they officially and publicly confirmed that NO current WM device would get an upgrade. And of course touting android as the great saviour. All I can say is enjoy your fragmented OS, and maybe in future buy a device for its current capabilities, not what you hope it may or may not do in the future.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] 0711:
ouw ms send some different signals to the people...

for example...Alex Reeve said its up to the oems to port ist -> before this an offiicial htc guy said that wp7 would come to hd2...so there where statements direct from the involved companies that it will happen.

ok now we know alex reeve was wrong and the htc guy dont know what he said...anyway, the informations from ms and htc was hard bull****, i understand people when they feel assraped by them and say they will dump the upcoming os/devices
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] sorodrigo:
inposible windows phone 7 in hd2

:(:confused: apparently it is impossible to install the rom in our hd2?

Mr. da_g not know if you can not you?

:(
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] unlockMe:
no you can't, it's impossible. unless you have a ROM specifically built for the HD2 you won't be able to install anything.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] orangekid:
kind of like Android right?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] pack21:
is this true?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] squish099:
Da_g did receive donations did buy an hd2 and a jtag. Got jtag soldered to board. where it went afterwards I have no idea

sent from my desire hd2
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] orangekid:
no, he's just assuming the worst.

he never got it soldered, a pin broke on the HD2 and it was bricked.

He then got another HD2 and a better JTAG, then he was supposedly working on a rom with Cotulla making the bootloader but has been very quiet about it.

Either he has completely abandoned the project or is working on it very hush, personally I think he would have said "this is impossible, I'm not wasting my time anymore" if he actually quit.

Any insinuation that he's been less than ethical with the donations has no merit and is baseless.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Sky-Net:
Hi all

I think it won't make sense to do a public statement about the progress achieved stripping wp7 for our hd2's before it's official launch.

Don't forget the Cotulla's wince6 screenshot posted a few weeks ago...that means someone has been working without saying anything... don't you think so?

By other way, leaked qsd8250 roms will be appearing (hd7) and I hope it will help a bit with the hacking.

Cheers
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] squish099:
He has pics posted on Twitter with jtag soldered in, but I'm not saying ur wrong. Could have had a bad connection. I know he said and showed the points are tiiiiny..

sent from my desire hd2
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] RustyGrom:
Hope everything turns around for you Da_G. I'm sure some people won't understand but real life comes first. This stuff is just a hobby.

And that is quite interesting about the legal stuff. It sounds like Microsoft is taking another page out of Apple's playbook. Let's just hope they don't go too far with it. I understand that they need to protect their assets (particularly, XBL, and marketplace purchases) but I hope they allow stuff like XDA to exist going forward like thye have with WinMo6 and Google has with Android. In theory, HTC and MS could send out takedown notices for the leaked roms so far but it appears that they haven't.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] squish099:
Ouch!!! Damn that sux!!!

sent from my desire hd2
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] rkrims:
Damn...

And would "cloud services" involve email/contacts/calendar sync? :confused:

Good vibes for Da_G!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] sbidy:
Status?

Hi,

whats is the status from the prject? Is there any webpage ot twitter?

Can anyone poast a short status description!? Please.

Needs the project developer?

:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

KR

sbidy
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Farmer Ted:
You could try reading the previous page.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] brad1825:
ASAIK, Cloud services does not mean Email, contacts, calendar sync. As those just require an internet connection.

Winodws Phone 7 Cloud services that could be denied on a device that doesn't have a valid certificate are things like push notifications that WP7 applications will use. Because push notifications MUST go through Microsoft's cloud servers.

However, there is also a chance that the marketplace could deny connections to non verified devices, and since that is the only way (at this point) to install third party apps... could be a huge roadblock. I'm hoping the later is not the case.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] anhyeuemmaimai:
From what my co worker was telling me is that most all stuff will run in the cloud so it would affect e-mail and stuff like that as well. He will be attending the MS developer conference here in the twin cities scheduled for the week of the 10th
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] :
E-Mail, Calendar & Contacts are all going to have to sync with Outlook, so they won't be exclusively cloud. Also they will need to allow 3rd party exchange connections.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] anhyeuemmaimai:
sure you can sync with outlook when you are connected to your PC, but when you are out and about they could have the software send the mail to the cloud and then down to the phone. This allows the cloud to do all of the "work" allowing the device to run longer on a battery (well that's the way it was explained to me) This pretty much will give MS full control over the device (something that the want- just like Apple has now)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] elyl:
I very much doubt e-mail and exchange connections will go via Microsoft's servers - imagine the privacy concerns this would raise if people knew Microsoft could effectively read all their e-mails?

I suspect your calendar and contacts could be synced to the cloud, but e-mail will most likely be optional.