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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] :
It seems after your last post @total commander install, you got an s.o.d., twitter may not be fully updated before your trying to scroll through it.

Regards,

WC
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] XERO_Racer:
@bubbinator91

ive installed total commander and havent had any problems at all up to now

there could be something you installed as well or any modifications you made to your phone
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] bubbinator91:
Yeah it was probably just a wierd coincidence. I'm not going to install any mods to manilla this time and see if I get any SODs in the next couple of days. I'll keep you guys posted.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] dvsmindedone:
how did you figure this out ? did you just disable htc messaging ? after you did that does it still keep the threads intact ?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] bubbinator91:
So I just got 2 SODs within 10 minutes. The first came this morning. The phone woke up fine but after I turned the screen off, when I went to wake it up again, it SODed. I only had 4 grid start menu, Opera Mini 5, and Total Commander installed. After I reset it, I decided to install BG4all, CHT, and CHTeditor with the result that it immediately SODed upon reboot. I'm tired of trying to figure this out so its back to sense 2.1 I go until more progress is made in trying to find the cause of these SODs.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] XERO_Racer:
ok what are you exactly doing, like what do you want? youre not telling us anything

you already knew Total Commander would cause an SOD so why did you install it again? and then you decided to install CHT....others reported no problems

maybe revert back and try taking out BG4all and see if thats the culprit
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] chadster214:
I think you should just leave the ROM alone.. not installing or modifying anything since the ROM is already optimized.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] bubbinator91:
Total commander wasn't the culprit. It was just a weird coincidence. And it's not BG4all since the only things I had installed when it SODed the first time were Opera Mini 5, Total Commander, and 4 grid start menu. All I want from this rom is for it not to SOD and to function properly. I'm almost positive its something to do with Sense 2.5 and a conflict with the Rhodium.

I can't not install certain things. I need Opera Mini 5 and the normal 3 grid start menu gives me a headache when I look at it so the 4 grid is a must. Believe me, that last SOD happened after only 2 programs were installed and one tweak was installed (4 grid start menu).

It has to be some sort of problem with sense 2.5 and the phone as the same modifications (or similar) to a Sense 2.1 rom do not cause SODs. For you guys out there that have no problems, I wish I could have your phone. However, mine seems to not like sense 2.5 so i'm gonna stay with 2.1 for a while.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ctbear:
Try taking out your SD card and see what happens
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] bubbinator91:
Its too late now. Im already back to a sense 2.1 rom. If I decide to try a sense 2.5 rom again ill try it.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Nurchi:
Hi, everyone

21904 definitely kicks *ss compared to the stock ROM.

Thanks a lot.

After flashing, MAKE SURE you do a hard reset of the phone. I had error after error during first boot until I hard reset it...

However, I dislike the keyboard layout.

It is a T-Mobile HTC TP2, and my ALT key has no effect and CTRL key acts as ALT. I was wondering if there is an easy way to fix this (perhaps a registry setting or something).

Thanks.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] dryice1049:
My guess would be the tmokeyboardfix cab I think you can find it on the cell leo thread and valkery has it on his thread also. I have a Tilt2 but I assume this is what you need.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Pumpiron579:
It has the AT&T keyboard Layout
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] :
Flash the euro build which is located in post #4

Regards,

WC
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] rpowell:
Neither one works and the second cannot be fully removed without reflashing. Know of any others I could try?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Pumpiron579:
You should be able to navigate to Mobile Video by doing this with opera,

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=6552169&postcount=69

and

http://www.wireless.att.com/learn/messaging-internet/media-entertainment/video.jsp
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] :
What video app?As Far as I can see there is no "app" its a link to their video page.

Regards,

WC
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] :
21905 builds will be up later this evening.....Some surprises in them....

Regards,

WC
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Nurchi:
Thanks for a quick reply.

No, it doesn't have the AT&T layout.

I tried using the AdvancedConfig from htcpedia to set the layout to AT&T, no difference.

I also tried the 'tiltkeyboardfix.cab' - still no difference...

I guess, previously I said ALT has not effect, well, ALT acts as CTRL and vice versa.

The dumbest fix is to take the phone apart and swap the two keys :D

Mine is a boxy, brown phone.

Bottom left key is ALT, followed by CTRL, then Messaging key, etc

Exactly like the one attached. (Taken off htcpedia due to inability to post links)

Also, the second key on the front (next to SEND key) is the home key, not start...

Aside from the fact that I have to use CTRL instead of ALT, all other keys behave

as they should (e.g. the characters on the keyboard)

Am I the only one with this issue?

Thanks.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] badersk:
That is a T-mobile phone I think this rom has a at&t keyboard layout.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Pumpiron579:
It is cooked in with the AT&T keyboard, don't do anything. It is all set up for AT&T
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Nurchi:
That is my point.

I have a T-Mobile phone.

And I did install the Euro/GSM version from post #4.

I really love this ROM, the only problem is that the ALT and CTRL keys are swapped and the HOME key acts as the START key.

Otherwise everything is great so far.

Quite fast compared to the original HTC's WM6.5 ROM. Looks better too :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] :
Nurchi, your keyboard mapping is different from both of my builds...sorry...The closest to your keyboard mapping would be the euro build, this build for the tilt 2 is specifically made for the at&t phone.

Regards,

WC
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Nurchi:
I get that.

And sorry if I sounded like complaining.

I was only wondering if there is an easy way to fix this.

Or at least find a decent guide/documentation on keyboard mapping, so I could create my own and share it with other T-Mobile phone users

(I can write some code here and there...)

I also tried Keys Remapper

It cannot capture the CTRL key (that acts as ALT), but captures the ALT key as CTRL...

ROM is really great.

Thanks to all for your help.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] :
Maybe someone can pull the registry and driver needed for your device keyboard. But as it stands, I more then likely wont be making one exclusively for the Tmobile tp2.

Regards,

WC
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] DeathmonkeyGTX:
Any chance you'll specify those surprises before we flash, and any chance one of them will be arcsoft instead of any HTC Messaging?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] rpowell:
It is giving me the "Mobile Video is only available on supported 3G phones." error. I am going to reflash everything and try again.

Still giving me the error. I reflashed 21904, did the Opera settings, loaded cabs, did soft reset and still a no-go.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] rpowell:
Also I keep getting problem with microsoft services.exe with the 21904 build. Is it just me?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] XERO_Racer:
what cabs did you load exactly?

as for your microsoft services.exe problem

what did you put on your phone when u flashed the ROM?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] rpowell:
The .cab chadster made for mobile video.

All I have loaded is 21904 (just reflashed so its clean) with chadsters soft reset .cab he made.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] :
Heres a soft reset cab, use this one...

Regards,

WC
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] chadster214:
are you serious???? did you even try my softreset cab?? I'm removing those cab. then..
[HD2 General] chris2busy:
-No win7 support , although even though our hardware if far supperior to the win 7 devices currently

-horrific support (HTC has to be nobel price winning at sucky support)

-battery life is amazingly bad..some members here report success with alternative chinese batterie types, but come on we paid our bottoms off for the thing we shouldnt have to bleed our eyes out on 3rd party web merchant pages

-its being discussed that we are not even going to get 6.5.3 or 6.5.5 upgrades even though omnia II and toshiba models will(or have dunno)

-millions of buggs that shouldnt be there in the first place

-lack of supported apps

-overpriced marketplace

Such a mixed feeling..I truly and deeply love the device i hold in my palm as i write this..but its like i am holding the hand of a relative in a hospital dieing..is truly HTC gonna give away the future of such a brilliant phone?have we payed 50% more of the value of the competitor's phone(iphone) price and go nowhere (while they get their free os 4 upgrade) ? i feel so decieved..i even got to thinking ways i could cheat for my warranty to get my money back..

-edit : forgot the 250ms sound delay woe issue (one of the reasons we bought this cursed phone was to watch movies in its perfect screen dammit)
[HD2 General] efjay:
You got what you paid for, the hardware is already surpassed by the Evo 4G, in a few months time it will be even farther behind, such is the way of tech. WP7 was never promised, only speculated so that is not a valid argument.

Your other reasons are otherwise sound to varying extents, but at the end of the day this is still a fantastic device, so no, I dont think anyone who bought the device and is happy should be looking for ways to get rid of it. If you dont like it, return it or sell it but it works very well for a large number of us.
[HD2 General] chris2busy:
So that the fact that they do not even care enough to upgrade it to something as idioticaly as simple as 6.5.3 version (hich like 40 roms in here have) doesnt make u feel they are throwing the phone support (that made me laugh) away?

And no, i do not get what i paid for..i paid nearly 800$ for this..no not even marginaly close to it.
[HD2 General] efjay:
No, I agree totally with your view of HTC support, I actually think they are the worst phone manufacturer among WM OEM's, contrary to what everyone else thinks because they like the eye-candy of Sense, which I think is utter bug-ridden rubbish.

HTC has the HD Mini out now, you would think they would be releasing 6.5.3 updates for all their phones, especially the HD2, but this is typical HTC, once a device is released the normal support life cycle is 6 months, then we are left to our own devices while they work on the next device. In the current climate, HTC is apparently focusing entirely on their android phones, so we WM users are left to look on and lament our lack of updates.

As for getting what you paid for, I guess we will have to disagree, I never expected HTC to provide an update to 6.5.3, knowing their past history and considering they never announced it. I knew I could only count on the OS they shipped the device with, and anything above that would likely come from Xda.

You have a great device there, the hardware is top notch and capable of outstanding performance, just dont look to HTC for any kind of realistic support. Xda is your friend and will give better support and performance enhancements than HTC ever has.
[HD2 General] rp-x1:
Win7 was *never* officially an option, only rumour. Do you buy things due to hearsay? Theres an iPhone for that.

Never needed this so cannot comment - think of that what you will ;)

I have the standard battery, it lasts between 1.5 and 3 days. Thats better than my Nokia E90 and my N80 ever was.

Not to mention the fact I have 3 email accounts checking every 15 - 30 minutes, Windows Live (hotmail in the background), at least 30 mins 3G browsing, some light games and texts + calls.

"(or have dunno)" proves that you are yet again working on rumour, why not do some research before slagging things off, eh?

Have you actually used 6.5.x? What did you think of it? How much advantage will it give you over 6.5?

*any* complex system will have bugs, its a given. It needs to support several hundreds of different device configurations, 3rd party applications and different personalised configs. How many bugs does Linux have, for instance?

How many supported apps does the iPhone have in amongst the thousands of crap free ones?

Welcome to Microsoft.

You seem to be stuck in a mindset which goes against that of technological advancements over the last, say, 50 years.

The computer you buy tomorrow was out of date last week, that surround sound system you've got, that's been surpassed several times since you bought it.

You do realise that the iPhone OS upgrade was to insert features that most phone companies have been producing lines of phones with for almost a decade?

Cut and Paste for instance, was first used (in a computer sense) in a Xerox environment in the 1960s, Apple's iPhone was announced in 2007. It didn't support it until an OS upgrade. The first Windows PocketPCs in the mid/late nineties had it as standard.

The iPhone's hardware is 50% of the capacity of the HD2, maybe you did get what you paid for? ;)
[HD2 General] chris2busy:
Ur point seems truly valid, but dammit thats not what i signed up for..(even though it was contract reneweal bonubs 650$ bonus to get new phone) this is no way to treat a heavily paying customer..and i am not obligated to know the tradition of customer handling of each company each time i buy a phone..i know the phone is amazing , but its dead..truly dead..and mark my words when in a couple months the new candies come to surface no1 in xda will care to develop roms in this long dead phone....at least those 800$ taught me 1 thing i guess ..never buy anything from htc again
[HD2 General] rp-x1:
You have seen the various forums on xda supporting WinMo5 devices,haven't you?
[HD2 General] chris2busy:
u still cant tell its not unofficial support thats my problem?really?
[HD2 General] zarathustrax:
The HD2 is far from dead.... there will be people making roms and writing apps for it for years still. It's gonna be known as the last great WinMobile phone. It will remain as the best WinMobile 6.5 device, and for that fact, I think it will last longer than most phones do.

There are still people supporting phones from 5 years ago on these forums.

What is it that you signed up for? Nothing was promised for this phone other than what came with it. HTCs customer service sucks, but they make some great devices, and with them we get XDA support here! Thats much better than the support any other oem gives, imo.
[HD2 General] rp-x1:
But you specifically mentioned XDA developing ROMs, now you're complaining about official support?
[HD2 General] chris2busy:
this was a comment because imho past devices were not as promising as the imminent are..nevertheless my problem is that i the services that came with my purchase feel like being molested..absolutely no future in it from the developer's end..i really dont know if its that typical of HTC to manage in that manner, and if it is is till do not know why this company still exist.
[HD2 General] lquigley:
Got what I wanted!

I researched for months, got what I wanted, & what they said it had! Runs smooth, no bugs,"except audio booster" Would not trade for wm7, don't like how it will hold you down. I also pd alot for mine!! But I'm still sooooo happy. Love it. Sounds like you need to trade every month to try to keep up? Quig
[HD2 General] Naith32:
They must have seen you coming!!! :D
[HD2 General] chris2busy:
well i am happy for you in all honesty..but i ,as hundrends of other members in here still have mega issues like lip sync or ufo like battery drain that even manifacturer cant identify, sms problems, music playback lags, incredible bluetooth battery drains sluggish video recording and many more..and thats the second hd2 i get after warranty return.
[HD2 General] PoisonWolf:
Issues mentioned in forums are negatively biased. People with problems are more likely to come here and post their problems as opposed to the many people who are not having problems.

Secondly, if you want to troll, do it on MySpace. April 2010 join date, seriously? If you don't like your phone, sell it and be done with it. Stop whining because you didn't have the common sense to read the labels on what exactly HTC is selling in the HD2. HTC is a phone manufacturer. Ergo, their job is to keep selling phones, even if it means phasing out past models. If you do not agree with this business strategy, go with another company that suits your needs.
[HD2 General] lquigley:
How many 1000's are in use?

You have to realize how many of the hd2's are in use! I wish someone would count the number of people on these forums that are having problems, since they come here to get fixes. Not too many people go to forums, if everything is working ok. We have over 7000 members on htchd2forum.com the % is pretty clear, most are great!! Think about it,"if your car runs ok, do you go to dealer & tell them? If it is giving you trouble ,you call,complain, go in, get it fixed? HUH? wierd concept!! Sorry, got going,, I like this phone better than anything I've ever had!! But that is"me" not "you"! Goodluck,,Quig
[HD2 General] chris2busy:
I GUESS I really didnt know the HTC way of thinking...apple and android seem to get it a lot different..although they state 6.x phone support is not halted it indeed is..no upgrades,no updates,no nothing...i guess i should start flashing or im stuck with the ton of problems bundled in my handheld
[HD2 General] fantasytozi:
I dont see the point in making these kind of thread. What will u get from these?

If u have problem, then try to search and solve it.

If u dont like the phone, then try to sell it.

Is it easier to feel better than making these threads and have most of people tell that u wrong here?

As far as I see, most of people who complain about their devices are people who just joined in to ask and complain. They messed up with their phone then try to get people to help them fix it. This phone is just amazing and works out of the box.

Let's compare the ones that have problems with the ones that dont, who only focus on flashing and trying roms. Maybe at a rate of 100 and 10000?
[HD2 General] rumz82:
Hey guys!

I think chris2busy actaully does like the phone, but he is probably just really fustrated with the lack of support. I mean, usually, wouldnt it make sense that if you had issues with a certain product you have purchased from a certain company, then u should get all the support from them(Mostly). But for me, this forum is my support:D.

Also, I too agree with the point that why on earth,after paying so much money, do we have to rely on third party apps to tackle issues that shouldnt really be there in the first place? I mean, why doesnt it just simply work right out of the box? Dont get me wrong, i love customising my phone, but these customisations should really be for "customising" our phones with what suites us & looks good in our eyes....not to fix issues that HTC/WinMo shouldve done. I still love my HD2 but these are just some things we ALL couldve done without......

Finally, No, we shouldnt be thinking of getting rid of this phone as its "Kick Ass!":D

(watched the movie last night, so still in that mood!:D)
[HD2 General] kuzibri:
I do not like this moaning and groaning, It has been posted recently that it takes time to know your new device. If you're not willing to spend that time, then stop harrassing us/this forum with your "complaints". By the way: what's the point of your post anyway?
[HD2 General] rumz82:
No offence mate, but i dont think he is harassing you specificly.....its just a guy who isnt happy with his phone, and he thought he might aswell let ppl know.....thats it. We should try and help him understand his phone and not start saying that he is harassing you/us.......
[HD2 General] jersey_609:
I remember when they first started talking about the hd2 it was clearly said that it wouldn't get winmo 7 so u did get what u paided for the hd2 is a great device and if u got the phone u should know that the best way to get updates is from xda not the manufacture these phones will always b Supported even the g1 for Android is still getting support in xda and that is the oldest and slowest Android phone so decide if u like ur phone keep it if not sell it and get something else

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Sent from my Nexus One
[HD2 General] htc fan89:
when it comes to gadgets they will be always buyer's remorses, and I'm planning to buy one myself even if No wm 7 for it.
[HD2 General] rlee008:
i know this is off topic but u paid $800 for a phone? something u can drop & crack, loose or render useless with a bad ROM flash? i got this phone because its awesome and very versatile and because it was $199... and they even offered me a second one for free! i really wanted a Nexus1 but i wouldn't pay the $500 for it. just not worth it and i make a comfortable living.... HD2 is a phone or geeks! u must know what ur doing, if u don't go bite off another piece from Apple.... it has its flaws but so does every single other phone out there. every single one. just go check out the forum of ur next phone so u can see. this phone can do just about anything, like a pc, but it needs software and tweaks.

so i don't think the problem is the phone, i think the problem is between the ground and the phone... nothing was ever offered with the phone that hasn't been true, u just mixed ur hopes & dreams with facts...

goodluck
[HD2 General] zarathustrax:
Smartphones are expensive.... $800 is not out of line for a high end phone like the HD2 if you're buying it unlocked without a contract. I paid $1000 for my Athena a couple years ago. I used to pay $500-$600 for my pocket pcs before they integrated with phones.
[HD2 General] PoisonWolf:
And yet you'll pay 400 ~ 500 more (as opposed to the phone outright) down the road but you don't see it. ;)
[HD2 General] enyaj:
Thats the beauty of our community here at XDA. Mods, Chefs, and Developers keep 5-7 year old devices going. You really shouldn't count on HTC to give you updates on a daily, weekly, monthly basis. As a fellow member said, their main business is selling phones. honestly, or ideally, htc should be hiring most of the XDA Mods, Chefs and Developers here at XDA and we will all be living in paradise with our Smartphones and PPCs. But if they do that, then the perfect phone can be built and that will be the end of their business. So that's the reason why every phone will always have its downside(my personal opinion).
[HD2 General] madindehead:
Stay here at xda. Almost guaranteed support for a while, and some of the best ROM chefs and mod makers cooking and programming for the HD2. It will live for a long time helped by xda.