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[HD2 General] alexs0fly:
It's been fun, but I'm saying good-bye to my HD2.

The lag and crashing issues aren't THAT bad (excluding the texting program) but it's just inconvenient. A phone shouldn't have any of these issues, right?? And its nice that you can try different ROMs to find better performance but you shouldn't have to search for an alternative such as that after receiving your $450 brand new phone (I regret paying the full retail price so bad. I shouldn't have bought into the hype).

And for those of you claiming to have ZERO problems with your stock TMOUS HD2's running default ROMs, I question what your definitions of "problem" and "inconvenience" are, along with your perception of lag and ability to notice it. But if our perception to lag and detail is the same and you actually don't have any problems then you are very lucky.

Things I love: Browsing, Sense minus texting, Screen, Office Mobile, Camera

Things I hate: Texting, crashes, drop of 3G (probably more of T-Mobile's fault), lack of Apps compared to the droid and apple platforms.

To be honest, if I didn't text so much, I'd probably keep the phone.

Once again, it's been fun and this forum has been VERY helpful in my quest to fix the phone. Everyone is nice and overall very well informed. Thanks!

-Alex

PS, if anyone has some secret solution to this problem(s) other than trying the latest 2.13 ROM from T-mobile (which I have already tried), I'd be willing to keep the phone!
[HD2 General] ryan562:
have you updated to the latest rom? texting has greatly improved IMHO. that was also my major concern with this phone prior to the update.
[HD2 General] TomInMB:
I agree with you to a certain extent, Alex. But I am more of a tinkerer to find solutions to the problems. If there weren't ANY problems with the phone, I would get rid of it!!!! :)

As far as texting... have you tried Swype? I came from a hardware-keyboard phone myself, and hated trying to text with the onscreen keyboard. But after getting used to Swype, I can say that I am MUCH happier.

With all that said... I'll give you $100 for your phone!!!! :)
[HD2 General] Camusa:
I'll go to 105.
[HD2 General] sirphunkee:
Alex,

If you bought a car, and a few months later the manufacturer announces they have a modification they can do to the car that will address certain issues, including one that you're experiencing (let's assume something other than critical safety issues)....do you return the car, or let them apply the modification?

It's the same idea with the new tmo ROM...it's an official update that you should try, especially with your SMS issues. No product is perfect out of the gate, and an official update like this is the only real way for them to try to fix issues from the factory. If you like the phone other than those reasons you listed, it seems silly to walk away from it already without even giving that a try.
[HD2 General] alexs0fly:
Sorry that I didn't make it clear but I'm running the 2.13 right now. Texting is a little better but still laggy. And I should probably give swype a try before writing it off. We will see. Thanks guys
[HD2 General] jaliscojorge:
I've got 110.00:D
[HD2 General] adamhlj:
Alex, what phone are you gonna switch to?
[HD2 General] np231:
Software Vs. Hardware

I really don't have any major problems with anything on the stock rom. No lags or nothing. That being said, if I experienced any issues my first response would be to find out if its hardware or software related.

In my mind, you can solve every single software related issues and I really love the HD2 hardware so there is no way I will ever return mine just because I face some software issues. And this is the great thing about WM, you can actually tweak it to function the way you want.

I must say that this is not the phone for someone who wants it work out of the box. I mean it works but you really need to know what you are doing. Regarding the apps, WM has far more apps then any mobile os out there, you cannot just compare the marketplace apps. Its WM, you have to know what you are getting into before you buy a phone.
[HD2 General] sirphunkee:
Ahhh gotcha, understood now, sorry.

Yes I would definitely give swype a try, once you use it, it's a whole different touch-typing experience.

The only other thing I'd ask is how often you clear out text messages on your phone? I think that 99% of the SMS freezing is due to too many text messages in the client at once. I clean mine out once a day at least, more if I'm texting a lot that day. I simply run a quick myphone backup to save them off-phone, and then I wipe out any threads I'm not currently conversing in (including clearing the deleted items folder). I never have any SMS freezing, even on the original (2.10) tmo ROM I'm still running.
[HD2 General] alexs0fly:
I'm gonna just go with something simple and cheap like a Blackberry 8900 or 8520. I also need the money because something came up =/

Yeah, I know there's a lot of tweaking involved. I guess I just belong to the group of people that just want their phone to operate nearly perfectly fresh out of the box. I guess I really didn't know what I was getting myself into. I should have looked further into WM.

I'm testing out swype. I don't like it for the moment but I think its just because I'm not used to it. Gonna keep messing with it. As for clearing messages, I try not to let mine exceed 50. I wish I never had SMS freezing. I had less freezing on Kumar's classic 1.6 though
[HD2 General] jaliscojorge:
your hd2

let me know if you decide you want to get rid of your phone. I would seriously consider buying it if your price isn't to far fetched.
[HD2 General] cu2cool:
Apps that are compatible with this phone's resolution? Apps that compare to the UI of other platforms? Games that are similar to one on the other platforms?

Until you can show me this, I will still consider WM phones to be a NON-app instensive platform. Yes, they have all the apps you could need to do anything with, but they don't have all the apps you WANT.
[HD2 General] alexs0fly:
What do you consider a "far fetched" price to be? I cant take too big of a loss either you know.
[HD2 General] jaliscojorge:
pm me with a price and i will let you know if i can afford it.
[HD2 General] magnum_touchpro:
i want to get rid of my phone too, evo 4g is out and it puts this phone to shame.. the laggy texting ect..swype wont even help u.. and u can get swype for a lot of phones anyway.
[HD2 General] rysky007:
I have to agree with you 100%, I am coming of of a Nokia E51 which for a three year old phone has more basic, logical features which I though every phone would have.

The sms lagg is horrible and I experience all the time, or the fact that we cant keep the hom page looking the way it does and turn off the active weather. It lags the crap out of th phone if u just go to move screens or find something and its showing you clouds for 19 seconds scrolling by..

you cannot uninstal the useless applications that came with it without whiping the entire phone.

The new update is fine and dandy, but It clears the whole phone, so eveyr thign I have installed and set i have to redo just to get an upgrade, totaly idiotic in my mind. If its a OS update, then it should only effect the OS backround files not reset the total system.

Backing up contact. Sims only store 250 contact. I have over 300 so I have many on my phone it self, to copy the entire phone book to memory card, i have to do it one by one. Yes I know I can instal an app for it, but should I really have to? thats should be a basic app. Syncing with your computer, requires you to have email set up in outlook, I dont use out look, so I have to go through all that troube just to get that done.

In my house, my nokia has full signal at all times, with this new bad boy phone i barly get one bar if I am lucky.

Just simple little things which should be an automacit features on phones are missing here. I dont get the thinking behind that.

To the person who did the car analogy. Would you buy a expensive car if you had to install the breaks you self after purchase.. Oh you want a rear veiw mirror? here is a mirror, and some glue go have fun? no you would not, you would expect all functions to be there.

The phone doesnt even allow you to control how you view your contacts for crying out loud, I had to D/L an app to set if i want to view first name/ last name, vs the default last name first name. That is just bad.

Out side of a big shiny screen that eats ur batery life in one day and the camera.. nothing special.

just my two cents
[HD2 General] alexs0fly:
rysky007, I agree with you for the most part ;)
[HD2 General] PoisonWolf:
Would you buy a car knowing that it does not come with certain features or does not perform the way you want it to? Or do you just buy any car expecting all of them to come with features just because a car of another brand had them? There is a reason why it's better to lease a BMW than buying it.

It seems like you're the average joe that bought into the hype not knowing what Windows Mobile is.

Don't come crying just because the phone was not what you expected it to be. Do your homework next time before making a purchase.
[HD2 General] fflakes:
A better analogy is you are buying a stock BMW and expecting it to drive like a F1 race car. Fact is, you have to add certain available add-ons to make it into a M5-ish car with the type of race tires you want and the suspension your driving habits need.
[HD2 General] alexs0fly:
fflakes, no offense, but I disagree with your analogy. I would say that the HD2 comes with all of the M5-ish characteristics but performs like a BMW, wouldn't you say? It has awesome hardware but it doesn't perform like it should (at least fresh out of the box). The phone has a lot of potential. And I guess there are those that are able to tap into this potential while others are not.
[HD2 General] cu2cool:
Basically, this phone should've have never been advertised/marketed the way it was, and the only knowledge of its existence should be through forums like these. When it shows up on TV commercials, you know average consumers are going to be flocking into the stores to see what it's all about. The average consumer will not browse through all the online forums to see all that it is missing. And the average T-Mobile sales associate will not mention how much care will be needed for this phone to function optimally. I blame T-mobile for all the mislead customers, who thought this phone would be the next iPhone (newbie user friendly). Just my opinion.
[HD2 General] zarathustrax:
I completely agree with this. I can't stand all those HD2 commercials.
[HD2 General] sirphunkee:
I won't argue with these sentiments, but....

We should probably be grateful to the masses who purchase this phone (misguided as they may be), for without the expectation of their business, HTC would never have been able to get the phone to us this "inexpensively", if at all ;)
[HD2 General] alexs0fly:
I managed to sell it for $400 unlocked to an ATT user.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] pac1085:
I have a Fuze that wants to shutdown all the time. I usually run EnergyRom on it and the slide to shutdown screen keeps popping up. When I run a stock rom on it, it also shuts down, as if someones holding the power button.

has anyone ran into this issue or have any idea how to fix it? I've searched for a while and can't find anything.

thanks!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] palmboy5:
Opening up the phone enough to get to the point that you can remove the power button itself and clean that area of the phone should fix the problem.

This even helped me on my previous phone where I thought the button was losing sensitivity. After reassembly the button worked beautifully again.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mcs6:
I had the same problem...and then all of a sudden my power button stopped working altogether...its weird because it works fine to turn the phone on, but once it boots it doesnt turn off the screen or bring up the shut down menu or anything

how did you manage to remove it to clean it out?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] staunty:
OK, this may be kind of a dumb question but...Why isn't there a quick way to quit browser? Menu--->Quit like with Pandora would be a useful addition IMO. Right now, there is no reliable way to quickly quit the browser other than hitting back however many times is needed until the browser quits. Or, menu--->windows--->X on the open windows--->once a new window opens up the hit the back button again. Seriously, it doesn't make sense.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Sleeepy2:
ummm try the home button.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] staunty:
I don't want it to continue running in the background though.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] supremeteam256:
Use advance task manager or some kind of task killer to kill it.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Sleeepy2:
Android will kill/clean it up when the ram is needed.

Why not just let android do what it does and kill it when it's necessary?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ezterry:
While correct I find android deals with backing out of an app and pressing home differently.

Home says try to keep the apps state.

Backing out says I no longer need this app.

Neither kill the process but the second will be chosen first if more memory is needed. So by using back in general I find it more likely when I need multiple apps in ram they will both/all stay there.

The browser of course overrides the default back function to a web browser's back button unless you are on the first page of a window/tab.. so it can be harder to tell the OS you are done with it.

However even so don't use a task killer on the browser I find it causes some things to become out of place and make the memory issue worse as the day goes on.

If fact just don't use a task killer!! If things are going slow and you have swap. . Reduce or remove swap. If you have comp cache above the cm default same applies.. if you are tired of waiting on the home screen to reload, try keep home in ram.

Dolphin browser has exit with or without clearing cache on long press of back.. hopefully it 'backs' and nothing fancy. (Well unless you asked it to clean the cache)
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] staunty:
What he said. I don't use a task killer anymore. I could get the quit function on dolphin browser but I don't understand why it isn't a standard function on the stock browsers.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] acroy:
my touch hd screen froze and phone just hanged..i tried hard reset on my touch hd and it got stuck on align screen..(as i kept tapping screen to align an nothing hapnd).. moreover win mo 6.1 was a bad experience.. now i wan2 upgrade to win mo 6.5..i read a lot win mo 6.5 available here..as i am a new member of this site pls suggest a link to get new win mo6.5 for my phone and also way to install it( as i am a beginner)..pls help as my phone is standing dead right now..pls bring it back to life..
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tsalta:
This is heppaning when no one read here in the Blackstone thread all is writen step by step guide and again the new members don`t read and prefer to kill the HD lol...

Here i wrote a step by step guide witch is very easy. http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=6083906&postcount=19 if you read it you can upgrade without a problem but now... once when your hd is dead is more harder someone to help you out because NOBODY know what you do exactly... how do u flash it and etc without this INFO no one even can try to help you.

Explain Clear what you DO.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] acroy:
help..stuck on align screen even after rom upgrade..

after hard reset my htc got stuck on align screen stage..i upgraded my htc touch hd to a new rom..topix wm6.5 sense 2.5...it ws successful..but again after reboot the phone hangs on screen alignment step..i just keep tapping screen again and it never aligns..i cant get my phone started even now with new rom..pls advise what to do next...my touch hd is still dead..help me revive it...
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] ASK768:
If your HD is not responding when you try to align it, it may be that your touch screen isnt working, not that it has crashed. flash a stock ROM and try to be sure.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] satu:
i think, your touch screen has broken, you can't do anything except replace the screen & touch screen with the new one.

it's happened with my hd too. :mad:
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] acroy:
touch screen problem even after new rom!!!

Hi everybody. I have skipped screen alignment and my home screen opens with new topix rom wm6.5 sense 2.5. But again some of the touch feature works on the screen and some not(even at the same screen location!). Also on the home screen touch scroll, if i press any icon phone keeps goin to the last icon of settings and doesnt scroll back to home. Also the four feather keys below screen doesnt work. Hence I cant still use the phone..Wat could be the problem? Some say touch guard causes problem or the cables inside phone gets loose..Changing Touch screen of HD is very xpensive & nt readily availabl too..So i want2 try evrythin b4..pls answer..
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] rainbowsong2000:
May be Stupid.. but give a try

Hello,

Your post was 2 days before, i am not sure whether your problem got fixed.

If it is not.

1. Switch off your Device.

2. Remove your SD card

3. Press and Hold the Volume up and Down button, while pressing the volume up and down button, press the power button.

4. Now your screen will show whether to perform restore function, now press the volume up button.

5. After completion of the restore function your device will start normally.

6. Once your screen alignment done.

7. Switch off the device, install the SD card and just switch on the device.

if the problem is not found with out your SD card, then that might be some application issue or the SD Card issue.

cheers,

Rainbow
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Smobbo:
Read about Task29 and read the dummies guide.

As suggested, try a hard-reset (or better use Task29).

If you still have the problem after that there is probably something wrong with your screen.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Fallen Spartan:
As described above there are plenty of guides or advice within these forums on how to fix your device and flash a wm6.5 rom

To flash a wm6.5 rom use this guide
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] acroy:
still stuck...screen alignment problem or rom...

Hi guys..I am still stuck with my touch hd..even with new rom phone is just a showpiece..cant figure out wats the problem?? is the screen alignment gone or is it a software problem..touch hd touchscreen is v xpensive and my phone is out of warranty...so wan2 try anything n evrything if possible..pls help..for detailed explanation pls read my earlier posts!!! nd help help help....
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] smaaz:
Dude try to pay attention, download a stock 6.1 rom from htc web site, remove your memory card and sim card, hard reset your device and load the stock winmo 6.1 you downloaded. even after that if problem remains .. there is definitely a hardware problem then.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Bodisson:
And first before everything else... what version of SPL you have on your device????
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Fallen Spartan:
Guides already exist for upgrading to wm6.5 in the stickies at the top of these forums. Please follow guides and post further queries in relevant thread. No need for another thread

Thread closed
[Hero CDMA General] egzthunder1:
Date: Monday May 24th, 2010

Time: From 9:00 am to 4:00 pm (EST)

Questions? pm me.

Thanks and hope to see you then.

This thread will remain closed until the specified time.
[Hero CDMA General] egzthunder1:
First of all, I wanted to welcome all of you and thank you for taking the time to put all the remaining issues to rest. As with anything on this site, please be courteous to others, don't flame, don't curse, and try to make your comments as meaningful as possible (in other words, don't troll :))

This is a floor for discussion and debate, so whoever feels like speaking up, please do so. I believe that the first order of business is the fixxxer issue. Cbarlan (aka Papa_Smurf) already put me up to speed on that issue but I would like to have some more input from you all.
[Hero CDMA General] markus_del_marko:
The only thing i will add to this is im tired of being accused and followed around here because im new, same goes for other newbies as well. This smixxxer guy is obviously a banned member and keeps signing up to stir up trouble. I know i accused neb of being him and i talked to a few members who told me it was not, so for that i humbly apologize. I firmly believe once someone is banned from here, they should stay banned. Id just like to see people start getting along more. In my mind fixxxer is talked about than the hero itself, he's not here anymore and the subject needs to end already.

Thats all id like to add to this as i have to go.
[Hero CDMA General] tejasrichard:
For me, personally, most of what I had issue with has been resolved, both through a bit more leniency from the mods (thanks you guys!), and the creation of the off-topic thread for us to blow off steam in.

Re: fixxer/nebs situation, I am prolly too biased on this to give much of an objective opinion. That being said, if nebs and fixxer are both willing to cool the vitriol a bit, I see no reason to keep the bans up. Others may feel differently, but that is where I stand.
[Hero CDMA General] Kcarpenter:
Ban his IP. /End Game

EDIT:

I'll edit this by saying I know the IP thing is useless. Not much you can do other than watch out for the trolls.
[Hero CDMA General] tejasrichard:
which his? smixxer?
[Hero CDMA General] nebenezer:
I think it's just unfortunate there are such easy ways to get around a ban.

FYI and FWIW- I have not created any identities on this site other than this one and phenicks.

I am done with fixxxer even though he is obviously still here. I hope he can begin to grow up a little and stop fueling "the fire".

Without the ability to reliably ban someone from simply making a new login ID I would like to suggest the following as food for thought:

To help cut down on banned members coming right back to start more crap:

-2 to 4 week period before new members can post AND/OR

-2 to 4 week post (not read) restriction to general/q&a sections for new members

To help cut down on redundant and misplaced threads by noobs:

-20/30 post minimum before new members can make a new thread

To help clarify who is actually a senior member:

-500 posts to earn senior member status

(It can be confusing for a noob who to direct questions to, also I have seen as high as 32 posts/day counts.. senior member in 3-4 days?)

-neb
[Hero CDMA General] nebenezer:
PS.

Thank you for the off topic lounge, that one is a home-run :D

And thank you to Egz and Ryan and other mods for your involvement lately. I for one am delighted to see the member side of you guys rather than just the moderator side.
[Hero CDMA General] Kcarpenter:
Neb buddy, are you refering to me? :D

I agree completely here. On several forums I have been on in the past there is a minimum reply number to current posts before you can start a new thread. This would stop the "Im new and don't wanna read" and also would prevent people from being banned and being able to go start a new account and have just as much going as they did before.