yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] asko1981:
Yes, I can confirm this as well, in South Philadelphia (19148)

NE Philly is fine.

Maybe we should post zip codes where we notice slow speeds in Philly.

I spoke with Tmobile customer service and they were of no help.

I started having slow speeds before flashing Froyo or the new radio. It doesn't matter what radio I flash I'm getting 15kbp/s to 100kbps and asgps can't lock in the location in this zip code as well.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] S_Dot:
Bro, check your inbox. I dont think its froyo causing it, like you mentioned its the network, its merely a coincidence the network started acting up aroud when we flashed Froyo.

I thought I was going insane, glad to see someone else afflicted. Did you try different locations? I also tried different radios, no luck
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 4wrestling:
Wow, crazy.

I work at 6th and Market (19106) and that is where I had the connection problems.

Once I got home just a mile north in Northern Liberties (19123), I have no connection problems.

So does T-Mobile have deadspots in certain parts of the city???
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] S_Dot:
I'm at 19121 and my connection is basically dead!
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 4wrestling:
Just ran a few speedtests on Philly's Comcast server over 3G (kB/s)

86.3/63.5

47.9/95.5

43.2/93.7

I will update in the morning when I get back to work.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] MaximReapage:
Anchorage, AK, AT&T, Android 2.2 - had 3G yesterday, normal speeds; can't get anything but Edge today.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] antiochasylum:
I dont think you guys realize T-MOB 3G sucks lol. :)

The new radio improved my speeds drastically. I went from going at 500kb down to almost 3.5megs down at my g/f's apartment. Not sure what it was, also better 10x better 3g reception with new radio.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] asko1981:
It seems to be completely dead this morning. South philly and NE Philly. I get nothing, can't even get to google.com.

When I run the speed test, I get a big fat 0.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 4wrestling:
So I ran a few tests this morning.

All tests in kbps

7:04am in Northern Liberties

937/778

7:49am walking to work at 4th and Race

813/775

8:10am at work 6th and Market

9/1406

Even my good speeds are slower than I used to get. I used to hit 1.5-2+ on downloads. I'm going to put in a ticket with TMobile.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 4wrestling:
I was just checking the T-Mobile forums. Found this:

FYI, tower down in Phila PA , according to t-mob cust service; my service out since Sunday am, 5/23/10, Phila PA

http://forums.t-mobile.com/t5/Cover...A-according-to-t-mob-cust-service/td-p/378802
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SBS_:
Don't think there is much of a difference when it comes to 3g speeds for me here in Norway. Tested with Speedtest.net just now and got 1.8Mpbs down, 612kbps up and 217 ping to a local server.

What I do know is that I got horrible speeds when I chose the option with PRL or what it's called so I changed back to WCDMA Preferred and all is good.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] asko1981:
Chat with T-Mobile this morning: (seems like tower is down in Philly)

^Antwan W: I am still not showing any issues in the area. I would like to try and refresh your SIM card's connection to the network.

^Antwan W: Can you remove the battery from the device for me?

^Antwan W: I will be sure to let you know exactly when I am ready for your to re-insert the battery.

Asmir Murselovic: go ahead, but that has been done a few times in the past week by customer reps... I also got a new sim card on Saturday.

^Antwan W: Thank you for that ifnormation.

^Antwan W: Can you please re-insert the battery in to the device for me now?

Asmir Murselovic: sure

^Antwan W: Let me know once you are back at the main screen.

Asmir Murselovic: I'm there

^Antwan W: Are you able to see if you are still having issues accessing a web site, something like www.google.com.

Asmir Murselovic: just ran a speed test and getting 20kbps... That's worse than EDGE

Asmir Murselovic: I can access google.com. but it takes a very long time

^Antwan W: But the phone says you are connected to 3G?

Asmir Murselovic: correct

^Antwan W: I am currently showing that your SIM card is not completed connected to the T-Mobile network. Once of the connections seem to be outside of T-Mobile property.

^Antwan W: I am showing that there are two towers with issues about ten miles from your location. This could be part of the issue that you are having.

Asmir Murselovic: OK... any word on when that may be fixed. As I mentioned before, I'm seeing more and more people in this area having 3g issues.

^Antwan W: At this time, I am happy to put in a service request for this location to alert engineers in the area. If we are still having the issue, they will be able to leave additional notes and comments on the request.

Asmir Murselovic: ok
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 4wrestling:
Thanks for digging deeper into this. TMO needs to correct this ASAP.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rockky:
Try a full wipe and reflash...

I ended up much faster than old radio after that
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] S_Dot:
I'm mad as hell
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] S_Dot:
are you deaf or blind, a tower is down how is reflashing going to fix that
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] icon57:
my speeds have always been about the same no matter what radio i have used..

0.53Mbps download

0.42Mbps upload

here in central florida
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] masse1369:
The new radio for me was a tad bit faster. I live in Jacksonville and went from lower 900's to upper 900's (kb) when I flashed and played around with 2.2.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jrbourque:
I just got this result as well..server in philly...313kb down 696kb up.....i have new radio and froyo ....wasnt really testing before i flashed to froyo

edit....buffalo, ny area

edit2...i have talked to other people getting the same thing on froyo...but tested it yesterday and it was normal speed...maybe something going on with the network
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] asko1981:
Re: 3G speeds on New Radio with Froyo (4.06)

Guys, T-Mobile wont do **** unless we start calling and complaining about this. I have made them aware if this issue twice. Check my previous thread, they've acknowledged the issue. How long its going to take them to fix depends on our complaints. So, lets get on the phones and give them hell.

I've also been in touch with T-Mobile on twitter and they've been responding.

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[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sheek360:
I'm down for it. But why not just start a new thread? They will transfer us to HTC care. We need to make sure we speak to T-Mobile tech support. Who's in?
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] asko1981:
Re: 3G speeds on New Radio with Froyo (4.06)

New thread is a great idea.

T-Mobile wont transfer you to HTC support if you tell them that you're getting same speeds on mytouch and g1, which is correct. I've tried it on mytouch and g1. Its not phone related in any way. Just make sure you stress that point.

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[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Buck Shot:
Clifton NJ server with 3 bars of 3G

DL : 3.31 mbps

UL: 1.30 mbps
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] asko1981:
Or maybe S_Dot could just change the title of the thread. There might be more people out there looking for answers to this problem.

Thanks guys.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zedmec:
Concord CA, At&t

2.1 = 2100kbps down 1100kbps up

2.2 = 2760kbps down 1660kbps up

Both HSDPA
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] navillos:
you people that are posting your speeds need to say what your data connection is. UMTS or HSDPA that makes a big difference in speed as well.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] asko1981:
So, how is everyone's speed in Philadelphia this morning? I'm seeing improvement, at least in my area (South Philly).
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 4wrestling:
I just ran a test from Northern Libertes (19123)

2435/1325 kbps

That's about 4-5 times faster on the download than I had been getting.

The real test will be when I get into work (19106) where I had been getting 0 download speeds. I'll update this afternoon.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dan1431:
I flew home from PHL (Philadelphia International Airport) yesterday and my co-worker's AWS N1 (running FroYo) was seeing about 1.5Mbps Down and 1.1 Mbps Up.

Dan
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 4wrestling:
Back at work now (19106)

708/808

815/1059

kbps

It's better, but still not fixed. Maybe 1 of the 2 towers is back online?
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] S_Dot:
Looks better than before

Ran speed test @ 19121

dl: 1170kbps

up: 368kbps

You're right, its better but still not completely fixed.. I think I'll live tho, if it doesn't start bs'ing again!
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 4wrestling:
Last update from me unless service goes screwy again.

Just ran the test at work (19106)

1548/1274 kbps
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] asko1981:
Re: 3G speeds in PHILLY.. COMPLAIN TO T_MOBILE! A tower is down!

My speeds seem to back to normal at home and work.

Thanks guys. Lets keep this thread just in case it starts acting up again.

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[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] jaymac407:
Hi there,

I was recently experimenting with fastboot and messed something up bad, now my keys are all wrong and mismapped. I'm wondering if one of you could run the following command:

fastboot oem readsku

And tell me the first result.

Mine is:

... INFOskuid item:FunctionSKUField
INFOindex:0x0, value:0x0

With the wrong SKUID (by accident).

if you could provide me with the SKUID of the Hero, I'd love you forever for saving my mismapped keys :)

Thanks,

Jay
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] OttarA:
Hope this helps

... INFOskuid item:FunctionSKUField
INFOindex:0x0, value:0x20800
INFOskuid item:PCBIDField
INFOindex:0x1, value:0x80FFFFFF
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] jaymac407:
I love you so much. :D That fixed it.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] VinceOB:
Backup your current setup before trying to flash this.

Ok folks I FINALLY figured out how to get a clear background on the Weather Widgets. This is NOT the HTC Clock/Weather widget. This will mod the actual weather widget itself. I know in 1.5 we were able to modify the background by making it transparent. As we all know HTC decided to play the xml game with us. Through vigorous xml editing I FINALLY achieved a clear weather widget on both the medium and small versions. The large version would look dumb clear so I didnt do it...I may do it later on...Here is a flashable update to update the weather widget. If you are on the latest 2.1 rom, download the one named clearweather-sprint-signed.zip. If you're using RegawMOD Rom download the one for that since apparently they are all different...weird. I also attached the current com.htc.WeatherWidget.apk. Thanks to Jerry for putting that up. Keep in mind you may need to go into Applications and clear HTC Sense as well as the Weather Widget cache. Let me know if it works. Now for a screenshot...
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] regaw_leinad:
nice work man :)

I bet people will dig this one
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] VinceOB:
Its been driving me freakin nuts!! I know in 1.5 it was a matter of clearing a .png.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] regaw_leinad:
haha yeah, I remember when it was that easy :p

Xmls are everything now I guess lol
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] zenulator:
Nice work. I like the blue too.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] VinceOB:
No, thank you. Its based off your rom. :D
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] VinceOB:
Yea no joke. Now its if you dont know **** about .xml's you're screwed...
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] ronnienyc:
So do you know how to revert to the stock weather widget? This did not work for me (2.1)...thx.

(p.s. all the Clear Cache options are greyed out.)
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] VinceOB:
Try and reboot. If it doesnt work, than it doesnt work. You shouldve made a bakup if you didnt...
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] VinceOB:
Can others with the normal Sprint 2.1 rom try this...Backup first before you do. It may not work...
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] jerry43812:
Going to try this now, let yall know what's up with it.

After working a bit with Vince, it works for Regaw 2.1/
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] killabee44:
I have been looking for this fix for a while now... Ill be keeping my fingers crossed that you can get it working. Thanks.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] VinceOB:
Try clearing HTC Sense and Weather Widgets in Applications. I got the same thing you did and I cleared everything and it worked...In the meantime i'll grab the .apk from the latest 2.1 roms and mod it.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] VinceOB:
What do you mean? It is working...My screenshots show that its working. Clear HTC Sense and Weather Widgets in Applications. Then reboot and see if it works...
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] jerry43812:
There's no "weather Widgets" in Applications.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] VinceOB:
Interesting. It should be towards the bottom. Were you able to clear HTC Sense?
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] jerry43812:
Yup but it didnt fix anythign. Weather widgets is completely gone from my phone.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] VinceOB:
I found the problem. Give me a few and i'll have a new update for the latest 2.1 Rom. I need to also fix the title...
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] jerry43812:
Can you tell me if this will work on regaw's latest ROM please? I don't want to cause more problems with my phone than I have now. Thank you.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] VinceOB:
If you can pull com.htc.WeatherWidget.apk and attach it here I can check it out. Or, you can backup really quick and try the newest one I posted...
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] jerry43812:
Here 10char

IF it wont work, can you throw one tgether that will work and fix whatever happened to my phone?
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] VinceOB:
I didnt see any difference between Regaw's and the latest Sprint 2.1, but I went ahead and modified the one you posted...This should work since it is the same one you attached....I'd go back to a previous backup you made and try it.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] jerry43812:
Well for some reason, the nand I just did is broken, didnt write md5's.

the newest nand I have besides that is from a month ago, havent flashed anythign since then, so IDK wtf the problem is but it's not cool. I'll push this back, but what else do I need to get my widgets back?
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] jerry43812:
Alright, here's what I ended up doing so far and everything is working the way it was before I flashed the first ZIP:

# mount -o remount,rw -t yaffs2 /dev/block/mtdblock3 /system
mount -o remount,rw -t yaffs2 /dev/block/mtdblock3 /system
# cd /system/app
cd /system/app
# rm com.htc.WeatherWidget.apk
rm com.htc.WeatherWidget.apk
# ls
ls
htcmsgwidgets.apk
restartapp.apk
htcsettingwidgets.apk
htcsearchwidgets.apk
htccontactwidgets.apk
htccalendarwidgets.apk
gtalkservice.apk
com.htc.MusicWidget.apk
WorldClock.apk
WidgetDownloadManager.apk
WeatherSyncProvider.apk
WeatherProvider.apk
WeatherAgentService.apk
HtcRingtoneTrimmer.apk
Weather.apk
VpnServices.apk
VoiceSearch.apk
Vending.apk
UserDictionaryProvider.apk
UploadProvider.apk
Updater.apk
TtsService.apk
TelephonyProvider.apk
TalkProvider.apk
Talk.apk
Superuser.apk
Street.apk
StatusBarCleanService.apk
Sprint_Core.apk
SocialNetworkProvider.apk
SetupWizard.apk
SettingsProvider.apk
Settings.apk
Rosie.apk
PicoTts.apk
Phone.apk
PackageInstaller.apk
PCSCII.apk
OMADM.apk
NetworkLocation.apk
Mms.apk
MediaUploader.apk
MediaProvider.apk
MarketUpdater.apk
Mail.apk
IQRD.apk
HtcWeatherWallpaper.apk
HtcSettingsProvider.apk
HtcPPST.apk
HtcMusic.apk
HtcLockScreen.apk
HtcLocationService.apk
HtcLocationPicker.apk
HtcIQAgent.apk
HtcFacebook.apk
HtcDialer.apk
HtcContacts.apk
HtcClockWidget.apk
HtcAddProgramWidget.apk
HTMLViewer.apk
HTC_IME.apk
HTCSetupWizard.apk
HTCNew.apk
HTCCamera.apk
HTCAlbum.apk
GoogleSubscribedFeedsProvider.apk
GoogleSettingsProvider.apk
GooglePartnerSetup.apk
GoogleContactsSyncAdapter.apk
GoogleCheckin.apk
GoogleApps.apk
GmailProvider.apk
Gmail.apk
GlobalSearch.apk
Gallery3D.apk
FlashPlayer.apk
FlashLitePlugin.apk
FilePicker.apk
FieldTrial.apk
Facebook.apk
EnhancedGoogleSearchProvider.apk
DrmProvider.apk
DownloadProvider.apk
DmService.apk
DMPortRead.apk
DCSWeather.apk
DCSUtility.apk
DCSStock.apk
DCSImpl.apk
CustomizationSetup.apk
CustomizationSettingsProvider.apk
ContactsProvider.apk
Clicker.apk
CheckinProvider.apk
CertInstaller.apk
CalendarProvider.apk
Calendar.apk
Calculator.apk
Browser.apk
Bluetooth.apk
AutoKiller1.2.2.apk
ApplicationsProvider.apk
AccountSyncManager.apk
AccountAndSyncSettings.apk
# cp C:\Android\com.htc.WeatherWidget.apk /system/app
cp C:\Android\com.htc.WeatherWidget.apk /system/app
cp: cannot stat 'C:Androidcom.htc.WeatherWidget.apk': No such file or directory
# exit
exit

C:\Android\tools>adb push com.htc.WeatherWidget.apk /system/app
1084 KB/s (378649 bytes in 0.341s)

Got my weather widgets working again (stock ones). Phone restarted sense by itself, took a bit to load the "Add to Home" list when I long press on my home screen, but weather widgets are back and working thank freaking god.

Now, time to do a nandroid and flash the new zip I got from oyu.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] VinceOB:
At least you got it back to normal.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] jerry43812:
it finally worked :D

I am so thrilled, after some quick thinking, and vince's help, it finally worked.

BEFORE:

AFTER:
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] Avalaunchmods:
i<3vinceOB

haha nice work bro
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] VinceOB:
Awesome! Glad it worked. Which one did you use? The Sprint one or the Regaw one?

LOL This widget has been driving me crazy!!
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] Sporkman:
shouldn't this be in the theme and app section ? :P
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] jerry43812:
I used the regaw one. I can nand tomorrow and use the sprint one from OP if you want, now that I know what to watch for when doing a nandroid backup (http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=686920)
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] VinceOB:
No, because its not a theme or app. Its a Dev Mod.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] jerry43812:
ruh-roh, thread police have arrived! I agree/disagree though, because this IS a stock app development thread, which in all reality *could* be used by any rom dev if they wanted to!
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] Sporkman:
nice mod and BTW i was joking about the app theme section some people just can no remove the knot from there panties .

i put i see its in the app theme section
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] killabee44:
I flashed the sprint zip and am having the exact same problem. Ill try what you did. Hopefully it will fix it.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] killabee44:
Ok, jerry (or anyone)? please tell me where you got the file: com.htc.WeatherWidget.apk

from?

Thanks.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] killabee44:
Never mind, I found it on page 3.. in case anyone else wanted it. :D

I pushed it and got my weather widgets back. Not sure if I wanna flash any of the clear zip files again.. lol

Thanks for posting what you did jerry.. that helped me get it fixed.

Edit: Ok, well I went ahead and flashed the file: regaw-clearweather-signed.zip

(found on page 3 as well) since it worked for jerry and worked fine.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] VinceOB:
Is that the rom you were using? I guess i'll make the change to my post yet again...LOL Thanks for testing...
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] killabee44:
I'm using 2.1 lite from androidcentral. It was a 2.1 version without any sprint bloatware. Created By beezy420.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] bp600:
Will this work with FRESH 2.1.2?
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] Androidious:
Will this work with FreshROM 2.1.2?

Well, as I have treated myself as the guinea pig on this, yes it will work with this ROM. The only trick is, do NOT download and flash the one that is labeled:

clearweather-sprint-signed.zip (315.4 KB, 44 views)

As this one will not work with Fresh's 2.1.2.

To make it work, you must download and install this one:

Regaw-clearweather-signed.zip

The one made for regaw's mod, on pg. 3 of this thread will work with FreshROM 2.1.2. Hope that helps!!!

It's pretty cool once you get it working with the correct file. Thanks for the enhanced widget!
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] jerry43812:
Added this information to my website to reflect your finding. Thanks!
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] jerry43812:
Reflashed RegawMOD 2.1 after I tried out Fresh and HATED it, and it took a couple flashes of this zip to get it to work, but it works again.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] mbuchholz:
I must say thanks to Vince and Jerry for this mod. I've been trying to figure it out on my own for for-freakin-ever. Looks great on my home screen... :cool: the regawmod version worked for fresh2.3.3 in case anyone is wondering.

-mb
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] edi1907:
Hello friends, I can not watch video on internet browser. I hate to skyfire, please help me and I would ask to something more when I turn my telephone it doesnt turn in some programs. What does I need. Can you give these programs please. If it can be Turkish it will be wonderfull :D
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] hyn_kai:
IE supports flash but as far as i know skyfire is the best possible solution.....
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] edi1907:
Yes, it supports but I have to make install but where is the file?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Iancaunce:
Hey, I have been given a phone off a friend to fix but it wont turn on. Booting normally, I get a vibration and then the backlight comes on but i cannot see anything. When i try to boot into the bootloader by holding the camera button and powering it on, the backlight comes on but nothing else. I cannot see the bootloader. Under both circumstances, I cannot turn the phone off. I have to pull the battery to turn it off.

Does anyone have any suggestions about a possible fix? Thanks
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] r3s-rt:
Havie you tried send when trying to enter bootloader? If it resets then you can still get to bootloader. If not, your friend has soft bricked and only way is to JTAG which takes strong hardware knowledge and steady hands.

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[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] blazeraid:
ok im having the exact same problem. actually i thought it was a battery problem so i spent 77$ on a 3700 mAh new batter i guess tripple life... and got it yesterday booted gave same problems. black screen where T-Mobile should be yet the rom loads with scribble screen meaning u see part but it looks like the pixels are messed up. so actually decided to resort to what someone told me a Factory Reset so Pressing Camera + Power i got a Black Backlight screen yet wont show... and I cant turn it off without Taking out the Battery this has become a issue after installing cyanogen 5.0.7 T5... since then i Re-rom'd to superbad 1.2.5 same problem screen scribbles and stops im thinking did I fry it i dont even know how to google my problem because its pretty unique it isnt a battery issue its something in the hardware ... or am I wrong please send us some feedback... ill keep this thread in mind
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Iancaunce:
Sorry, what do you mean by 'send'. I am a complete noob when it comes to G1's. I have worked out i can shut off the phone by holding call + menu + end but thats it. I still cannot see anything at all on the screen. I still only get a vibration on boot. How would I know if the boot has been sucessful but i simply cannot see?

Could the flex ribbon cable be nackered?
[Nexus One General] sasha101:
Flash works great for porn :D jk.. not