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[Desire Android Development] mrshark:
yeah, sure it fell from sky, in a ray of green light in the dark... or maybe he knows some htc internal that passed him that leaked rom, who knew... htc incredible has 720p in next rom, so why not desire, too? have faith, dude...
[Desire Android Development] agent.m:
thanks for the reply. great work you guys are doing :)
[Desire Android Development] Vorbeth:
So far all I have seen are screen shots that came from HTC, even posting more screens or a 720p video is no proof, as said before post the radio if nothing else, let the other cooks play, between you all you might get fully working aosp and sense roms.

What bugs exist now? Some people here may be able to fix them.

Last thing if you didn't want people nagging maybe you should have not been bragging on a public forum that you have something and are not going to share it.
[Desire Android Development] agent.m:
personally i can wait a week. better than a month or 2 from official htc rom
[Desire Android Development] Vorbeth:
I don't doubt it will arrive, was just pointing out your flaw, that not all the material is on the net.
[Desire Android Development] monkeymonkey:
"Be patients guys, today I will take a sample Video in HD 720p, some screenshots and a short video on youtube"

The short video on youtube will be enough.... as long as we can see that it is a desire and that it has froyo features and has sense enabled then i think we can safely say that its proof!

All udK has done is say that he was testing it.... even if he did not want to share it then as a community we should not be mad, at least me know HTC are doing some work!!!!

If udk does release the radio then fair play to him, but people should just chill until the cooks have a chance, do we really need a new USB brick fiasco where everyone was crying like girls coz thir phone broke!!! This is obviously an alpha release for sense froyo, and is unstable.... whats to say that something might break...

I await the video and even if its a hoax, i will celebrate with udk for making u all kick up such a fuss!

Patience is the right step forward!
[Desire Android Development] Vorbeth:
Upon a little self reflection, I see that I seem demanding, I am far from that, I come from a 'scene' where little if any at all community actually exists.

I am happy to wait running Droid v0.3.
[Desire Android Development] monkeymonkey:
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Advances and considerations ROM 2.04.0.0 Frøya

Postby udK "Today, 14:34

Then, as surely someone on XDA I have read the official HTC ROM with Frøya my Desire, after having massacred between yesterday and today put some light on what works, what does not and what's new.

Given that the ROM is still (fullest) development so everything I write is related to the current version in the next version will surely improve as the catch all.

What's new compared to 1.21?

* System upgraded to Android 2.2 Frøya (FRF85B)

* Updated kernel (2.6.32.15)

* New Radio (32.41.00.32U_5.08.00.04)

* Possibility (finally!) To record video in HD 720p

* Application Sharing App

* Car Application Panel

* Application Plurk

* Application Torch

* Use Wi-Fi Hotspots

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.. But not all that glitters is gold, because many applications are still missing and others have some problems, such as missing the market, Google Maps, YouTube, Footprints, and Sense does not work the location of the current position.

The keyboard in its three modes, has been a makeup is slightly different from the previous version, see screenshot below:

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For the moment this is all in the evening if I can oup a HD video on youtube to show the quality of audio and video.

Stay tuned!
[Desire Android Development] shawe_ewahs:
Share with others!! :D
[Desire Android Development] adam235:
whats is the version of the hboot and do you have s-off ?
[Desire Android Development] Vorbeth:
If these are grabs from his own device why do they ALL have a HTC confidential watermark?

All info provided about features can be seen in the HTC provided screen grab's, nothing here is telling me you actually have a ROM and are testing it.
[Desire Android Development] AdamG:
good question

why not just pass the rom to someone who can cook it quicker because you are really taking your time, the whole desire community is waiting for this and you have clearly had it for over 24hours now and nothing...

personally i think this is an elaborate hoax a htc insider has just sent you a few screenshots, thats my 2 cents

there is also the possibility that this is from another phone and not the desire :p
[Desire Android Development] monkeymonkey:
Pre Release HTC phones have HTC confidential watermarks on... search the forum and you will find evidence of that!
[Desire Android Development] monkeymonkey:
There is definitely the chance that it could be for another phone and if we all stop jumping down his throat he might actually feel like posting the youtube video quicker!!!!

If i had been given a test version of FRoyo with sense, after all of the previous remarks in this thread i wouldnt even want to release it.....

when people were cooking from aosp for the the desire, u got there first adam and for that i give you kudos, it was your baby..... mayeb udk wants to keep this for himself so he can get some kudos!!!
[Desire Android Development] Vorbeth:
... stand corrected ...

I agree with AdamG, this looks like a hoax.
[Desire Android Development] buchman:
UDk has been known to get hold of early roms before from the windows mobile scene so I believe he has it.
[Desire Android Development] monkeymonkey:
http://ip208-100-42-21.static.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=5670679

as i said we have search for a reason! its a watermark... its not gonna just be on a wallpaper as you can change that... it is there so that htc can keep tabs on their intellectual property!
[Desire Android Development] sucramco:
So it may or may not be a hoax.

But please give the guy a break, do you actually realise you sound just like my seven year old son when he cannot get his own way.

Give him time, after all it is a Sunday. If he says there are some issues then it sounds correct because all current froyo roms have issues.

Be patient one way or another a rom will be released with everything we are after.

Peace-out.;)
[Desire Android Development] huwwatkins:
Not sure what phone this is but a quick google image search turns up this image with the same htc writing across the screen so its entierly plausable
[Desire Android Development] doinbox:
Let's all just give the guy a break.

It may be a hoax, but why would he?

He's a developer not just somebody who has posted once in the general forum. I think its real personally.

The pics he has uploaded could just be all he had at that time from who ever he was receiving the Rom from. Maybe now he has the Rom and that's why he's willing to post a YouTube link.

Take your time mate and upload your ready.

But in future, if I where you just keep it to yourself until your ready to upload. Because for some reason u seem to be getting a lot of negative feedback when for all we know you could be telling the truth.
[Desire Android Development] tuatha:
I think some of you guys need to just step outside and get some fresh air.

FroYo might be the most important thing in the world for you right now, but normal people (yes, even developers) have lives beyond this stuff.

Chill out.
[Desire Android Development] speedking34:
This is very funny to read. On one side you've got people complaning about him not releasing more info, on the other side you have a couple of condescending twats trying to act cool and mature.

God bless the intrawebs
[Desire Android Development] sucramco:
It's not just on this forum either. They are like it over at Modaco. It makes me laugh how they expect and demand, all when they are getting it for free. I have gone back to MCR 3.1 today, because of several bugs and no sense. I cannot stress how good 2.1 is. I don't care about waiting for 2.2, unless it is ready. If that takes weeks/months so be it, it will be worth the wait. However if this guy can bring us the best taste of Froyo earlier(with all the extras), give him time and respect, he deserves it, at least until proven otherwise.
[Desire Android Development] k4r1m:
you forgot the people that havn't slept for 24hours hitting the refresh button every 2 seconds... thats 43200 clicks/day.
[Desire Android Development] sucramco:
Sorry, where does that put you then?
[Desire Android Development] tuatha:
He's one of those people who helps fuel the discontent and impatience by refusing to believe anything, even if it's coming from a moderator and established dev with over 1000 posts...

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=7059135&postcount=55
[Desire Android Development] doinbox:
And then there's you, "captain gay lord".
[Desire Android Development] MacCarron:
I guess we'll all see soon enough...personally the name udk does not taste that good to me since the whole money/ban thing...
[Desire Android Development] sucramco:
Touché.

Anyway by looking at his user pic, I think he should be asking that question back to himself.
[Desire Android Development] mr.vandalay:
i rarely post but when i red your post i laughed my ass of... "captain gay lord"

you just made my day :D
[Desire Android Development] k4r1m:
I do understand how he doesn't want release anything because he wants to be the first... but I would like to get a point across, he can still atleast post the new radio for a fews reasons but mainly for 720p becuase thats the main reason the nexus has 720p and we don't because they have the froyo radio on their 2.1 roms which makes the encoder/decoder faster and I'm saying this because some of us will still want a stable sense rom with 720p which will be eclair still.... And he hasn't mentioned anything about cooking a 2.1 rom then I don't see a reason why he shouldn't release the new radio so other devs can get working on a 2.1 version... that's just my 2 cents ;)
[Desire Android Development] madman_cro:
hate to say this to anyone but you suck man. you obviously don't know udK's work.

in wm he was supplying the roms 1 month before release date. so be quiet if there is noting constructive.
[Desire Android Development] speedking34:
I guess you don't understand the difference between taking something with a pinch of salt, and categorical refusal of something. One makes me a sceptical person (and rightfully so, with the amount of bull**** going through those forums each day), the other would make me a clueless twat. Good thing the post you linked was of the first kind.

doinbox, you made me laugh

What has my avatar got to do with anything?

Anyways, no hard feelings, I love you people of the intrawebz

@madman_cro

Now, that's rude, you talk to your mother with that mouth?
[Desire Android Development] ikbentim:
lol this thread!

One half is screaming hoax the other half is trying so desperate to defend this guy hoping they might get a chance to try the build out themselves
[Desire Android Development] abc27:
Guys just stfu and stop fighting like children.

He has a reputation to protect, I doubt he's going to ruin it with a hoax.
[Desire Android Development] Nekromantik:
+1

it is quite funny
[Desire Android Development] pphillips001:
Nice to see the forum has retained it's friendly 'agree to disagree' feeling and respect for each other's opinion.

C'mon guys - can't we leave the flaming to the Apple 4 forums?

As the saying goes 'Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.'

While I'm at it : 'I want to die peacefully in my sleep, like my grandfather.. Not screaming and yelling like the passengers in his car.'
[Desire Android Development] maja:
Ok and why you are here.....
[Desire Android Development] jeandujardin01:
hi all

why dont you check out his twitter ? @udK_dev

his last tweet might answer your questions instead of arguing ;)
[Desire Android Development] tuatha:
There's no fighting in here.

Just some sceptical people who can't be bothered to do 30 seconds of research before dismissing somebody's post.

I'm sure they know better now so we don't need any more OT posting...
[Desire Android Development] ikbentim:
Since you're the thread starter, any real news? facts? info?
[Desire Android Development] Mondaro:
i'm unfortunately not capable of the italian language :rolleyes:
[Desire Android Development] speedking34:
Seriously dude, are you that arrogant? Can you seriously take that guy's word as if it was absolute truth? Is there really no possible scenario in your mind where this might not be all what udk is claiming it to be?

Personally, I would rather being proven wrong and being happy, than being disappointed. And again, I am not saying that udk is saying complete bull****, I am saying that all he has to back his claims is 2 screenshots. I just won't be completely convinced till I see some more proof ... if you want to sue me for that, then you're more arrogant than I tought
[Desire Android Development] MacCarron:
Because it's all over twitter and, as i said, i want to see how things turn out. You can hardly blame me for being biased considering the circumstances and the background. Hopefully i'll be proven wrong.

There are some impressions of the alleged releasers..not much to be honest. One may say people have no more faith, but in these days more and more people want hard proof and i happen to be on their side of the fence.
[Desire Android Development] beidl:
A simple reason they don't want to release the ROM as of now:

the watermark is still there. It lets HTC find out who leaked the system dump to udk.

And I'm sure udk doesn't want someone to loose his job because he released a watermarked ROM to the public.

It should be removable by smali'ing the framework and deleting out some lines out of it.

I'll try to find out which lines. I remember some old twitter posts from the G1 community...

And now please stop the flaming... remember: We are one big family *godfathervoice*
[Desire Android Development] tuatha:
No. Yes. No.

Are you finished?

Yeah. Unlucky for the rest of us!
[Desire Android Development] maja:
Yes.. is obvious!! if you see the first post I'm work with udK....and if udK wants to talk about..udK writes here ;)
[Desire Android Development] speedking34:
Obviously you're set on being unfriendly and refusing conversation so yeah, I guess i'm finish.
[Desire Android Development] tuatha:
I'm set on not dragging this thread any further off-topic.

Nobody gives a **** what you and I believe about this.
[Desire Android Development] AdamG:
Just post the libraries and the radio please so we can fix the current problems with Froyo roms, we can sort hd recording and the echo out without this rom then, kthx.
[Desire Android Development] worstenbrood:
uDK was the first who released a Manilla 2D rom a few years back when i had my Polaris, so im pretty sure he has the new rom. Just have patience people ...
[Desire Android Development] beidl:
@maja & udk: please send me the framework files. maxisma and me will try to remove the watermark ;)
[Desire Android Development] Mondaro:
got that on my mind too ...

second reason i could guess : it's unstable as stated on previous pages and he wants to do some optimization before releasing it to not endanger inexperienced users to brick their phones. personally i'd rather wait a couple of weeks till we get a stable rom than putting that much pressure on him releasing a work-in-progress rom, that isn't of any general use for 99% of the desire community
[Desire Android Development] madman_cro:
well when you skeptics are proven wrong then you all can kiss .. ...
[Desire Android Development] speedking34:
Why so hostile?
[Desire Android Development] beidl:
Well, even prototype ROMs should be stable enough for testing and since in the next few weeks the official OTA should be released, they already must have gotten very far in optimizing Sense for Froyo.

In the end of the pre-releasing cycle the last testing should take about 1-2 weeks usualy so that the very last (minor) bugs can be fixed.
[Desire Android Development] ninja.rogue:
I have read this thread very thoroughly.

It is quite obvious that some of you simply don't know "personally" Maja and udK.

I do. I have this honor.

I am wandering here around xda for years and if you had been reading windows mobile forums, you would know udK.

If you had been an italian windows mobile user, you would know Maja and Tir Team.

That's all I can say.

Simply not knowing people can let you doubt.

Lack of knowledge takes doubt.

Of course doubt by itself must be accepted.

I am dreaming that WHEN udK and Maja will release their Rom, ALL the doubters here will have the guts to step in and say "I was wrong in doubting, udK and Maja deserve my respect".

But somehow I feel that there will be somebody between them which will just download their rom for free, and without even saying "thank you"

Just my 2 cents folks.
[Desire Android Development] tekillo:
Is Udk and Maya a holy person or that kind? And are you aware what you are all writing here since yesterday. I'm not sure if this Guy has what he tells, he hasn't been writing here for a long time.

But it just have been a weekend. I would like you to calm down. And udk should release those at least at the developers as fast as he can :-)

But let those guys take their time.
[Desire Android Development] Drefsab:
Tbh I dont know them or their work all I know is they have put out screen shots and claims saying they have something that the community wants. They are not sharing it yet etc ok maybe for valid reasons.

But the one thing that I've not seen is a clear answer as to why they are not willing to release/share the updated radio. The lack of an updated radio is the only real thing holding back most of the decent custom roms atm.

If there's a good reason why the radio can not be shared then fine please tell us what that reason is. Otherwise if just looks like your sitting on it for no good reason.
[Desire Android Development] neoKushan:
Am I the only person here that's just happy to know that HTC are both working on Froyo for the Desire AND getting 720p recording in there?

I don't care how long it takes, I'm just glad I know that it's coming. I thank udk for that alone, a rom is just a huge bonus and I wont be bothered if it comes or not.
[Desire Android Development] udK:
In 10 min I'll upload two videos recorded today with 720p res.
[Desire Android Development] beidl:
Please udk send me the framework files. I only need the framework files so that maxisma and me can remove the watermark.
[Desire Android Development] Nekromantik:
how do we know what phone was used to record those vids??

just a simple and valid question here
[Desire Android Development] beidl:
Let him stand in front of a mirror while recording ;)
[Desire Android Development] udK:
test1 (panorama) and test2 (audio)
[Desire Android Development] tuatha:
We most likely won't know.

The videos aren't being uploaded for proof, they're being uploaded because several people have asked what the quality of the 720p recording is like. Specifically the frame rate.

The vids are for the benefit of the people who are already convinced. Those of you who are doubting it will probably still be doubting it afterwards.
[Desire Android Development] tuatha:
Looks like less than 15fps... and in daylight too.

Hopefully the full release will be better.

Thanks for the uploads.

edit: looking again, that might even be less than 10. Hmm.
[Desire Android Development] udK:
For sure will be better, this is just a test ROM ;)
[Desire Android Development] speedking34:
Hoping for better FPS aswell, it does seam to be leaning towards the 10 FPS on the videos ... Nice view BTW, where is that? (your dashboard looks alor like my fiat's)
[Desire Android Development] ljesh:
Thanks for sharing the videos :)

I hope too they will improve FPS, and add image stabilization (or whatever it was called). The videos are so shaky on Desire :@

If you pick your nose and record a video, everyone will be able to tell.

And I agree, very nice view :)
[Desire Android Development] neoKushan:
I'd definitely be happy with that. I don't suppose this comes with any benefit to the 480p recording? Better FPS, maybe?
[Desire Android Development] tuatha:
On the plus side, the picture quality is pretty good for a phone camera.
[Desire Android Development] udK:
Lake Maggiore, Swiss side, and yes, ahah, it's a Fiat :D
[Desire Android Development] ieftm:
@udK: As you can see, there's a lot of suspicion as to why you're not releasing the testimage.

If you could just give a clearcut answer as to why you aren't releasing it to the kernel and ROM devs, I think that would solve a lot.

Imo there's a few reasons why someone wouldn't:

1. They are afraid for HTC's repercussions.

2. They want to be the 'first' to release a HTC ROM-based version.

3. They just like to tease.

4. It's a hoax.

Now, it isn't too hard to just give an answer to that, is it? There's no shame in admitting you want first crack at it.

People would only praise you for being honest. Instead, continuing to ignore questions about it only raises more and more suspicion.
[Desire Android Development] beidl:
Also he still hasn't answered my question about the framework files.

These contain the code which is responsible for showing the watermark on the screen.

Still he ignores me. I just want to help the community get a working froyo with sense without

someone at HTC loosing his job.

Even maxisma, a person/"hacker" well known in the G1 and Hero scene, would help us.

But still... no answer... @udk please just answer whether you want our help or not.
[Desire Android Development] mr.r9:
Stop requesting people

Guys, for the love of god leave the developers on their own.

They will release when they feel happy about their product.

They ask for help when they need help.

They are human; meaning they eat, go out, sleep...etc.

Wait a while, act like adults & send a pm for requests outside the original thread.
[Desire Android Development] Nekromantik:
we are not asking for him to release the ROM quick, we just want proof that its real. If it is real then why would you not say it makes no sense.

The fact that he aint proven it is the reason I am doubting it.
[Desire Android Development] EroThraX:
They are both 20-25 fps as far as I can see.
[Desire Android Development] lpachuong:
Totally agree. I prefer proper 480p rather than crappy 720p and useless.
[Desire Android Development] Mondaro:
you don't know what the deal is for getting this rom. i personally would neither hand the rom out nor parts of it to not danger the job of my source. you can promise whatever you want - there's always a risk.
[Desire Android Development] Drefsab:
ok thats true of the framework files but as far as I understand its not true of the radio.

Its odd that direct questions asking for the reason's for not sharing the useful parts of the rom (not the whole rom no ones that bothered about that) get ignored.
[Desire Android Development] ninja.rogue:
My friend, it seems that the only way to prove it, for you and somebody else here, would be that he releases all or parts of the source code.

Knowing udK and the way he manages the people that hand out his sources, I also am certain that he will protect the other person.

Having said this, I am also certain that he will release the Rom.

If you take the time, go to myppc.it and read the thread.

udK is not a newcomer which needs hoaxes to increase his reputation.

He is Somebody here, a well known cook in the Windows Mobile section of the forums. Just search for info, my friend, and you won't doubt anymore - at least won't doubt in good faith ;)

with friendship :)
[Desire Android Development] udK:
Ok, some progress were made, I finally removed the watermark, MaJa got fixed some apps, we need to test and fix other minor stuff and the ROM will be ready, but, don't ask any ETA!
[Desire Android Development] ninja.rogue:
As always....

.... you guys are tremendously efficient! :D

btw, I like that lake very much... ;)
[Desire Android Development] Se7enair:
Dou you plan to release it tonight?