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[HD2 General] ALEXRUSS55:
Thank you for you reply! :D

I actually do have a non smartphone RZRV9 and am using it on a voice plan, but the problem is that when i was renewing my contract i asked AT&T representatives, various ones, and them not knowwing who i was, and the told me the same:

¨even if you donot have an active internet conection on your phone, and we find out that you are using a smartphone, even if the sim is inserted for a short amount of time, the 30$ a month will be added to your account with ought notice¨

My reaction was WTF??????? are you kidding me?

How can i use my unlocked, international version htc hd 2 and htc hd (that i only use wifi with , again i dont have an internet data conection) as an actual phone? with ought at&t charging me for having a smartphone?

please help
[HD2 General] goldt:
They can't do that, tell them if they don't fix it you will move to t-mobile, i would.
[HD2 General] friend'scatdied:
If you upgraded to a new phone or renewed or opened or otherwise extended a contract after November 2009, they have every right to do it. It's become a very explicit part of the contract since then. The only way out of the contract is still to pay those fat ETFs.

If they detect the phones you own as smartphones there is no recourse except to eat the data package price or dump the phones. They will always be detected in the system as smartphones, and the appropriate plan will always be appended for the unlucky owner.

AT&T has the IMEIs of all AWS Nexus Ones and likely most TMOUS HD2s. I know a number of people with TMOUS HD2s who have been automatically provisioned onto the $30 smartphone plan while on AT&T.

It is exceptionally unusual that an international phone would be detected as a smartphone by AT&T's system. I would question the history of the phone.
[HD2 General] polo735:
Yeah, I've been running an imported european HD2 on AT&T for a while and have had no problems with automatic smartphone data plan. Before this I was auto data planned by AT&T with a Nokia E71x. I thought the rule was that AT&T could only mandate data plans on phones they sold.
[HD2 General] davewang:
oh man! that's ridiculous. Then what's the point of buying straight out with full price on the phone? If you buy a smartphone with full price or from other third party and doesnt stick with any contact, you should be good to go. They can't force or longer require you to pay the web service of $30/month. The reason that they force you to pay the data plan is because of the instant discount when you buy a phone with new/extend contact.
[HD2 General] ALEXRUSS55:
You know one thing that i noticed that was just crazy for me, was that if you think about it, any AT&T provided phone that is able to use wifi (to pick up in hotspots, withought having to pay) Is a smartphone, thus it MUST have a 30$ a month plan! :-0! whats the point of wifi?????!! to get a little faster internet maybe, but you are paying for your phone plan anyways? why use wifi?

It dosnt make sense and it is not fair to the consumer, especially when the sales representatives tells you ¨Oh yeah, the reason we add the plan is because since you have a phone that uses alot of internet, it is unfair to others to take away their data, so you need an unlimited plan¨ there are alot of problems with that right there:

1) If i do use the internet on the cellphone and consume alot, and have no unlimited data plan then i am going to pay aloooooooooooooooooooooot of money to use it because the prices are incredibly rediculous, so why is my carrier complaning? I SHOULD BE ABLE TO CHOOSE IF I WANT TO PAY OR NOT.

2) If in MY CASE i have my internet completely and utterly disconnected, and never plan on adding it on, then how am i consuming internet from others??....

Anymore thoughts?

Thank you:)
[HD2 General] jan-willem3:
And what if you buy a european version (or doesn't that work?)

My phone said it can use this bands

850,900,1800,1900,2100

I don't know wich are used in the usa.
[HD2 General] ProjektFuze:
if you change sim cards to a cheap phone and change the data plans.... they will allow you..

but once you change back into hd2... not only will they INSTANTLY change your plan back the second they notice (it varies... sometimes it takes a couple hours... sometimes it takes a couple months.. BUT IN THE END...THEY ALWAYS FIND OUT) but you are also in a direct breach of your contract...... if you were one of the extremely few people who actually read the small print at the bottom of contract.. it states something along the lines of.. bla bla bla attempting to use companies service without direct notification.. bla bla bla.. waives users service rights bla bla bla...

so yea.. the way i see it... if you want to use a phone like the hd2... might as well get the plan... if you want a phone for a phone.. just stick to the good ol flip phones... you'll save a fortune.. and it doesn't make any sense otherwise...
[HD2 General] PoisonWolf:
What's wrong with getting a phone for a phone that is Windows Mobile based? Not everyone is interested in using internet on the go.
[HD2 General] friend'scatdied:
AT&T doesn't have a huge repertoire of IMEIs they recognize. The ones that are most at-risk are AT&T-branded phones, AWS Google Nexus Ones, and T-Mobile-branded phones. This is why I find the original poster's predicament extremely unusual. I am able to use my own HD2 with a dumbphone plan ($30 unlimited texting and data package) and it works perfectly. Moreover I get access to AT&T's HSDPA which the OP does not.
[HD2 General] madindehead:
Threaten to leave if they add the $30 data plan to your account. Phone carriers do all kinds of crazy stuff when you say you are going to their rivals. Do not however think about tampering with your IMEI. It is illegal.
[HD2 General] friend'scatdied:
True, but it is beyond their power to drop the data charges from what is a detected smartphone. It has been explicitly in the terms of service since November of last year.
[HD2 General] Agoattamer:
I second what is stated here. I have been switching phones for some time. I have had the T9193 since January on the non smartphone data plan. ATT has no idea what phone I am using. Phones stated above would be the danger phones. Evidentally the previous owner of your T8585 reported the IMEI to ATT. That is the only way they know you have a smartphone.
[HD2 General] g2tl:
I have a tmo version of hd2 and it shows up as blackberry 7290. The rep I spoke to thinks it's because the imei of the tmo hd2 has "similar patters" to those old blackberrys.

This is very much unusual, as i though euro ver would not get recognized at all. i have not seen a single thread re: this issue for the euro ver, whereas I've seen a handful for the tmous ver.
[HD2 General] firefly123:
Since when did corporations care about whether our products were stolen? There subsidize model is under attack and they've found a new scam to charge us more. It's like being charged more for gas if I drive a cadillac and less if I drive a Prius. I bought my phone without their subsidy or contract. It has nothing to do with them. It's a GSM cell phone and I want to pay for service. Why should I be charged more for the kind of phone I'm using. If I use more data OK, but it isn't a certain that I'll use more just because I have a smartphone. And the whole IMEI # nonsense is bull%$^#$. The IMEI is nothing more than a serial number. It's not the KI #. it's not about cloning or finding terrorists or anything else. It's about these orifices subsidized model being threatened by people buying there own phones and so some clever master of bull&&*# administration has figured out a new gimmick.

*this post should in no way be construed to be condoning imei changing. it's illegal.
[HD2 General] ALEXRUSS55:
My hat is off to you! you said it all.
[HD2 General] mazzarin:
As long as it's not a TmobileUS HD2, they will not detect it in their usual "IMEI scans" unless you are using gigs and gigs of data a month, in which case they might look closer.
[HD2 General] golfreak12:
OK, help me understand as I'm not on ATT.

Lets say you have a dumbphone and you're out of contract.

You then take the sim and inserted into a say...HD2.

You could ATT possibly make you pay for the $30 data plan ??
[HD2 General] hartleyshc:
Would love to know the answer to that.

Ive been on AT&T since May of 2008. Have a family plan, the wife got a cheap Nokia flip phone, and at the time I already had a Treo 650 (ebay, AT&T branded, unlocked. Was a GoPhone user from the old AT&T, to Cingular, then back to the New AT&T). Got unlimited internet on both lines then for the $15 medianet. Shortly after, upgraded to a Treo 750 (ebay, AT&T branded, unlocked), upgraded the rom, and have still been on $15 internet plan. The wife upgraded her phone to a Palm Centro (ebay, AT&T branded, unlocked, upgraded to ROW rom) some time in 2009. Neither one of us have been forced into the smartphone data plan.

Edit: What does OLAM show for our phones? Palm Centro for hers (no image), and a PalmOne Treo 750 for mine. (As opposed to the AT&T Treo 750 listed in their database. You can see the list of phones in their database by clicking "not my phone/device?" in your account page.)

On a side note, earlier this year, I removed and re-added her data plan, as she never really used it. Once removed, I had to enter the sim back into her old Nokia to be able to enable the old medianet plan. Both phones are recognized by AT&T as smartphones. The medianet feature is listed, unless removed, and then only the smartphone data plans were listed.

Now forward to 2010. AT&T now has capped data plans only, we are out of contract, and I have a new AT&T Fuze (Raphael/Touch Pro, ebay, AT&T branded, unlocked) on the way. Im hesitant now to try to use this phone for fear of getting auto-bumped into the new smartphone data plan, without any way to go back to any unlimited plan. (either $30, or $15)

As the OP mentioned, I too, have been looking for a way to change the imei in current phones (specifically the raphael, to change it to my current 750), and have come the conclusion that unless you can decrypt part of the radio/memory (have read both), or buy one of many expensive usb dongles used by south east asia cell hackers everywhere, its not going to happen. **Don't PM me about the dongle solution, Google will show you the most expensive of these solutions (along with all the drama behind it) with a simple search.

Through all of my reading the past week or so, it seems the majority of people being forced into this is iPhone (have always been forced), Nexus One (recently forced, both TMOUS, and AT&T 3g radio models) and HD2 (recently, USA, and Euro model) users. Have read several posts (might be same user?) on a couple boards mentioning the HD2/Old BB problem.
[HD2 General] lude219:
I didnt read all the replies, but where did you buy your unlocked HD2, OP?

I used an HTC Diamond, HTC HD, HTC Desire and now the HD2 (all unlocked) on AT&T with the $15medianet plan and never had any problems. Even when I log onto my AT&T account, there's no picture/record of what phone I'm using. There are many people going this route and never had any problems. They only way that AT&T could've found out is 1) you bought it from ebay 2) it was used and the previous owner registered it or 3) your data usage well exceeds what would expect out of a non-smartphone plan, thus cause AT&T to do some background check.
[HD2 General] hartleyshc:
Which might answer some of my questions. My 650 was OLD AT&T branded, the 750 was on medianet before the forced November 09 smartphone TOS, and the wifes Centro was some sort of overstock I assume (minute counter was at 0, might have never been registered, but still all have AT&T imei's). Still nervous about my incoming TP, even though its older than these (HD2, Nexus One) phones.

I do however typically use 4-6gb a month (with the high being 10gb, since Nov 09, with the usage graph on your AT&T account page) on the 750, still no forced upgrades. Nothing like some of these 60gb+ usage Ive seen from some users.
[HD2 General] lude219:
jesus ****ing christ!!! Are you watching youtube and streaming music nonstop?!:eek: How is your $15MN plan able to handle that much without setting off alerts? The most I've had was like 500mb...and it was just this last month.
[HD2 General] hartleyshc:
Podcasts and light tethering. The tethering through out the month will be around 100-200mb. With many months Im not tethering at all. Podcasts at ~100mb can easily rack up data. Throw in a couple video podcasts and you're in the 4-5gb range every month.

Also note that the Treo 750 does not have wifi, so ALL data is through the cell.

I'm sure with the Touch Pro I'm getting, I'll actually use a lot less data, just due to access to wifi.

Also the fact that none of this has set off any alerts leads me to believe I might be grandfathered in, in some fashion. But all of these reports still make me nervous, and although Ive been lucky, I dont want to push my luck.

Account wise, my account is the added on line on the family plan, and I have NEVER gotten a phone directly from AT&T *ie subsidized*.
[HD2 General] lude219:
Yea, I wouldnt want to push my luck, either. With their new 2GB/mo cap, I dont think they'll let anyone slide..especially those on the $15MN plan.
[HD2 General] hartleyshc:
Well Ill report back in a couple weeks in this thread, my touch pro should be here next week. The wife won't care whether we have t-mous or at&t since her centro is edge only. She would actually be content with the 200mb plan if we stayed. T-mous has 3g coverage where we work, but not where we live. So I would prefer to stay with AT&T (which has 3g in both), and with this phone having wifi, I might be able to control myself to only 2gb cell data.

Either way Ill take one for the team and push my luck when the new phone comes. Its not a Nexus One or HD2, but it might help others decide if they want to upgrade their phones at all.

Since were out of contract anyways, switching to one of those non-subsidized plans on T-mous is a non-issue. As long as we can keep our #s, and the coverage isnt too different, the wife will not care.
[HD2 General] vnb28:
I personally have had the tilt, fuze, tilt2, and now the UK HD2 and i have never had to pay for a data package. I did the same thing teddmf did, i put it in a phone(nonsmartphone of course) that had internet and added the unlimited media. Took the sim card out put it in the smart phone and it's been working for over 2 years. They don't need to know what kind of phone you have after you call the first time with the sim card in the non smart phone to add your media package
[HD2 General] n4v1n:
yea op should have just taken the sim card out and put in the hd2.... wrong move to call them, I can't believe the things people do.
[HD2 General] ElaineD:
This makes no sense! I purchased at&t tilt (one) from let's talk website w/o any text or web, (only talk and used wifi) more than 2 years ago. i used it with at&t's blessing for 2 years and 3 mo. - no problems! i've never hear of such a thing as automatic charging for something you're not using!:confused:
[HD2 General] hartleyshc:
alright, updating this thread like I promised I would.

Its a month later and still no notification from AT&T.

Seems people who have had forced upgrades actually talked to an AT&T rep.

Last time I talked to a rep was years ago when I first signed on.
[Droid Eris Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DS36:
In the 2.1 update pdf on the verizon website it said there will be pinch to zoom in Gmaps on the eris ! so i have version3 (plainjane_1.0 and eris_official_1.0 i like plain roms better thats just me) and no pinch. So i go to the verizon store to see if their eris display model has pinch and no dice. btw i updated their eris in store to 2.1 (shame on you VZ employees) myself took like 15 minutes to confirm no pinch to zoom

I have used other roms on here with working pinch to zoom in Gmaps and im surprised its not implemented more in these roms now !

I was wondering is it difficult to implement this wonderful feature into these roms on xda ?
[Droid Eris Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] WalkingTaco:
The pdf was inaccurate. It also said it would have the N1 3d gallery which never showed up.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] asik121:
The sound from my HTC Touch Diamond is very quite and poor quality. It actually sounds very harsh to listen to and I really want to stick with my phone. Is there any solution to this e.g. Is it possible I to get a replacement speaker and fix it myself? :confused:
[Touch Pro, Fuze Android Development] sahhar1993:
hi guys sorry for my bad english

this men say he is post froyo 2.2 for htc magic and some people test it and say its realy 2.2 :D:D:D

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=685736
[Touch Pro, Fuze Android Development] arrrghhh:
You know 2.2 is only available for development of apps... you KNOW this because you were told that in the other thread you posted in... so now you create a new thread?

Ugh, sometimes I wish I was a moderator. I'd abuse my powers and probably just delete this thread, but at least others wouldn't make the mistake of reading it.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Android Development] Maikeu Locatelli:
relax guy, its only a info, nothing more
[Touch Pro, Fuze Android Development] sahhar1993:
its not an info you can read other posts some people teste it in htc magic

http://www.mediafire.com/?timnzmoi1yz

this is the link from first post and please read other posts
[Touch Pro, Fuze Android Development] sahhar1993:
you can see here men

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=686105
[Touch Pro, Fuze Android Development] TheDeadCPU:
Guys, Babijoee and Phhusson and the rest of the team WILL wait for Google to officially release the Froyo AOSP.

So just wait.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Android Development] deta312:
still waiting for the battery power sources development :D
[Windows Mobile Themes] zelendel:
I have been asked to share these so From the frozen North of Alaska I present to you my Dark Passion Icons, There are 144 total icons with more to come. Feel Free to let me know if there are any you might need to be done.

All Icons are 90x90 png files

Thanks to

XDA

JoshKoss

lesscro For allowing me to use his LeoCpu icon

TPC

Diegis0n

Stylez

Anyone else I forgot feel free to let me know for a add.

Added G-Alarm, G-Profile, TomTom, Co Pilot, JWMD icon changer

Update....Added Igo, SkTools, Voice Command, Transformers

Update 6-30 Added a redone color version. Sorry it took so long

Link for Base Icons.
[Windows Mobile Themes] joshkoss:
Looks awesome dude!

Congrats on you're release!
[Windows Mobile Themes] ericv99:
very cool

im going to test em outsee what they look like on
[Windows Mobile Themes] teorouge:
Thanks, what resolution are these? 90x90 as you see in the faded box in the screenshot?
[Windows Mobile Themes] zelendel:
Yes they are all 90x90 pngs. Ill add it to first post. Let me know what you think
[Windows Mobile Themes] mcluvn:
Great job bro! love the icons they look awsome.
[Windows Mobile Themes] 3|Saint|5:
Hey Zelendel, thanks for sharing these icons. Any plans for some folder icons?
[Windows Mobile Themes] zelendel:
I have a set that I put together to go with it. Gonna be working on some more real soon. Also gonna do a revised version of these as well over the weekend
[Windows Mobile Themes] lesscro:
Looks awesome dude!

Congrats on it ! i think use this icon on my TG01... dude... so clean and black...

Another black obcession lover...

LeSScro :cool:
[Windows Mobile Themes] helenawang:
it's so beautiful!

Can you share the base? so we can use it to make any icon?

thanks!
[Windows Mobile Themes] Infuriated-Germ:
I don't suppose you could create a Co-Pilot Icon ?
[Windows Mobile Themes] zelendel:
My thanks you sir. The blacker the better.

Thank you

Once I finish the set Ill release the base.

Thanks

Ill put a co-pilot one together along with the rest you asked for.
[Windows Mobile Themes] fr3sh_t0_d3f:
Nice icons. Keep em coming! :D
[Windows Mobile Themes] zelendel:
Thanks Ill be working on some more soon. Foor a sneek peek at the icon before release keep an eye on Joshkoss HD 2 rom as they will be there first, then released here
[Windows Mobile Themes] abumhmmd1:
4 BACK Lovers . .. ...

clean

neat

shiny

any plane for CAB ? for easy loading . ..

keep the good work

:)
[Windows Mobile Themes] zelendel:
Thanks

I had thought about a cab but due to chefs moving the programs around into different folders I would not be able to guarantee that they would all take affect.
[Windows Mobile Themes] MykeChester:
really nice work... any chance to put some colors on the ones that is black n white... keeping the background glossy black? similar with the icons with colors? thanks again:)
[Windows Mobile Themes] zelendel:
Yeah Ill put together a color set. Keep an eye on the thread as I should have them up by the middle of the week. Taking the weekend off to spend time with the fam.

Something more along these lines?
[Windows Mobile Themes] fr3sh_t0_d3f:
That looks perfect. very clean and beautiful.
[Windows Mobile Themes] zelendel:
Ok Ill put a set together so it will be like the test. I should have it done by Wed at the latest.
[Windows Mobile Themes] Infuriated-Germ:
Colour does look nice but your black/white ones are Just as good ...

Any chance you can put together a Shazaam Icon please ?

Thanks for the Co-Pilot btw ... :)
[Windows Mobile Themes] MykeChester:
ok... looking forward to that...
[Windows Mobile Themes] zelendel:
Shazaam added to DP Update. :) Np
[Windows Mobile Themes] otto57:
I love your icons on Cleanex DsE v.10 but I miss the iGO icon. Any chance you'll produce one for that. Thanks, great work.
[Windows Mobile Themes] zelendel:
Ill add Igo to the update. Will most likely have it out in the am
[Windows Mobile Themes] ai6908:
Amazing work my friend...these icons will make my ROMs look more elegant...will try to add this to my next release or so...:)
[Windows Mobile Themes] katoki:
The very good creativity, thanks shares ~
[Windows Mobile Themes] rspillo:
Compliments, very elegant and beautiful icon :)
[Windows Mobile Themes] poyensa:
superb! really nice. ihave posted a screen shoot on http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=6568088&postcount=4531

could you make some more icons please? i need CHT weather on & off, sktools, thanks in advance
[Windows Mobile Themes] zelendel:
Thanks man if you need anymore let me know.

Thanks for the replies guys. I will add them to the new update, should be out in the AM.
[Windows Mobile Themes] joshzzz2001:
amazing icons, i have a new favorite set! but can you please don't forget to make game icons as well like experiment 13, chess genius, rush hour, pangya golf, super sid, midnight pool, hd2wobble, bowling, poker, soduko, etc. thanks!
[Windows Mobile Themes] tbone72:
grate job! looks alsome:D
[Windows Mobile Themes] sardroid:
Hi,

can you add icons for menu start folders:multimedia,gps,games,connectivity,office,applications?

Best regards
[Windows Mobile Themes] User_99:
Thx very much...
[Windows Mobile Themes] sirphunkee:
Wow brother Z...these are H.O.T.!!

I was just about to put a different new icon set on my phone, but after seeing these I've totally scrapped those plans and am now using yours instead :D

Thanks man, can't wait to see the colored set too! (though I'll have uses for both)
[Windows Mobile Themes] marjanna:
Hi iam new with my Htc hd 2 and i dont know how to put the icon so i can use em in the phone can anyone help me with that? where do i have to put em after i download them in the storage card?

Thanks
[Windows Mobile Themes] wingates:
Icon Changer programs.

You could download CSMI or JWMDI Icon Changer to your storage card. These are icon managing programs, (I use CSMI). Do a search and you should find info on them here at xda and READ instructions carefully.

Make a folder in your storage card for your cabs and zip files to keep them organized.

Download Icon collection zip in the folder you created.

Launch icon changing program.

They are self explanatory, just find original icon and find your folder and select desired icon. Good luck. :o