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[Desire General] Ommadawn:
Well, I sincerely doubt we'll be seeing Froyo for the Desire this month. The nexus still hasn't even been rolled out properly, so how would it be possible? Apart from that, I just now received a phone call from HTC Australia in response to an email I sent them weeks ago asking about Froyo and any beta testing opportunities. The rep told me my details have been forwarded to the proper department for consideration, and they still can't say when it will be released with any certainty.

So, basically, nothing will be happening too soon, straight from the horses mouth.
[Desire General] neoKushan:
1) Legal? Absolutely. It's your phone, you can do what you like with it. There's a bit of a grey area regarding copyright of certain included apps within a ROM, such as the gmail app (google owns the copyright on the app and the source has NOT been released), but as you legitimately own the device which comes with this software, it's a bit of a non-issue.

2) Operators don't generally NEED to make specific changes to the ROM for compatibility's sake, so if you install another ROM it should work just as well as Telstra's, if not better. However aside from different OS ROMs, there are also different Radio ROMs which CAN make a difference. Generally, the latest radio works well for most, but some people have claimed that different radios give them better reception or less dropped calls. Sadly, there's no real way of knowing until you try them but for the most part, radios and roms can be seen as separate entities (i.e. you can pretty much mix 'n match them).

So if HTC releases a Froyo ROM, you can upgrade to it just fine. If Telstra then releases a version of the ROM with a new Radio, you can just update the Radio of your phone without flashing the whole new ROM.

3) I'm not 100% certain, but I believe that yes, your phone needs to be rooted in order to flash a "generic" HTC ROM. Warranty is a bit of a grey area, but everything you do with the phone (Flashing custom roms, rooting, etc.) can be reversed. So if say your screen cracks, you can revert back to stock and send the thing off. Perhaps there's a moral issue here, but that's for you to decide. IT's worth noting that in the early days of rooting, many people experienced a "USB brick", where their phone got locked into a debug state that couldn't connect via USB, make calls and lots of other stuff was broken. MAny of these people sent their phones off to HTC and all got them repaired. The USB bricking issue has been resolved (the rooting guides have been updated to avoid it and even if it DOES happen, it's fixable).

4) No, you'll definitely need root for this and is one of the many reason people root in the first place. Remember - you CAN UNroot your phone.

One more thing - rooting your phone involves installing a custom Recovery module which lets you completely back up your phone (and restore it!). There's always a chance that even an official update from your carrier will go wrong for some reason and many people feel safer knowing that they have a full backup available.

Oh and I forgot to mention - There is no way to get SENSE onto a Froyo ROM without an official update from HTC. So although the "alternate methods" of getting froyo are available, you may find the phone operates completely differently than you're used to. But if you made a full backup of your phone before you flashed that Froyo ROM, then you can always revert back =)
[Desire General] bky16:
I am a TATTOO user and love android. I'm yet hesitating whether to buy Desire or Nexus One. According to knowledges so far, I am not at all optemistic that HTC will follow up an upgrade so soon. If say, they are only 4 weeks behind Google, I'll more than happy to buy it right away.:eek::eek::eek:
[Desire General] XDA mark:
I have been thinking: where has this 'Nexus One gets all updates faster' come from? It has been launched with 2.1, which does not involve getting anything faster. It was just the first device to come out with Eclair. After that update 1 came, which was a small update as I know. Anyway, has it been told by google that the Nexus One would get all updates much faster? Apart from the fact that it runs stock Android which makes it easier to update and we asume that the N1 should get everything first..

And that response you got does not say anything about Froyo not coming out soon. It says nothing. Its a standard reply everybody gets, because they are not aloud to publish any launch dates for froyo.

What If google wants everybody to keep their mouth shut, so it comes as a suprise when they say on the 23rd: 'WE ARE NOW RELEASING FROYO FOR 6 DEVICES, AT ONCE. SO DEVELOPERS CAN START FOCUSSING ON FROYO. THIS TOTALY BLOWS THE APPLE FONE TO DUST'. Or something like that.
[Desire General] Ommadawn:
I hope you're right, I really do. We'll see soon enough.
[Desire General] LBTaylor1984:
Sounds possible to me, I mean it would make the Iphone 4 launch abit naff, when another brand releases 6 phone updates, possibly a new handset>? Flash 10.1 with there current and future phones, and 450% speed increase.

If I was in the market for a phone this information would prick my ears up, regardless of the iPhone 4

South Korea have announced the Nexus one being released over there and it will be preorder from the 21st, it comes with Froyo final, F72.2 and matching Flash 10.1 these handsets will be out being of July. with this information I would not be suprised to here of updates around the 23rd, HOWEVER whether HTC actually do something useful in there software department is another question entirely...
[Desire General] n-j-f:
Careful! This is now going to appear on some blog as an official Google announcement. :D
[Desire General] anhhai:
23rd has come and gone... still no Froyo. Can close this thread now :)
[Desire General] Aitese:
This post was the first that started this rumour and it's now come full circle. Like I mentioned in the other similar post, tech blogs like Engadget, BGR and ZDnet read these forums. They then report your own rumours back to you making you believe them even more.

Stop with the speculation until there's an official announcement. The next person to come in with a "I had nothing better to do, no job, no kids so I decided to sit on the phone like some loser harassing customer service" posts claiming they had been told it would be out in x days...please don't bother. What would you say if twit after twit kept phoning you with no actual issue with their phone but to enquire after an update you already told them isn't coming yet?
[Desire General] neoKushan:
But a guy from HTC support told me that when Gingerbread comes out, it'll have the ability to travel through time, which HTC will port to the Desire, allowing it to be updated in the past. He said not to tell anyone, but the update would be out on June 23, 1985.
[Desire General] Aitese:
Great Scott!!!
[Desire General] flakz0r:
ahah that explains a lot :D
[Desire General] anhhai:
Me: It's the 23rd... where's my Froyo?

Robert: Sucker!

Me: -_-
[Desire General] XDA mark:
Yes, that seems like something I wouldn't like.

But also look at our perspective. For the love of god, how hard is it to give an ETA more precise then the next 6 (!) months. I understand they don't want to give ETAs without being sure, because it could lead to them not making that date and disappointing everybody. But come on.. tell us something like a month. July, August. Even December. Whatever. So we can stop searching for info and creating pointless rumors.

And yes, I really would like some of the features in froyo. Apps2SD would really make the experience better for me. So would full flash be, so I can finally watch the movies engadget posts :/
[Desire General] neoKushan:
Consider this - has google been any better? No, seriously, google announced Froyo weeks ago saying it was "coming soon". A few leaks have come out, but not the proper official Froyo and google has taken pretty much the same stance as HTC - "it'll be out soon". HTC is most likely waiting for google to finish Froyo and give them the source before they even consider giving an ETA, so if you want to complain about anyone, complain about Google. The faster Google gets Froyo out, the faster HTC can get to work on it.
[Desire General] BuroBernd:
i keep reading this thread out of psychological interest:

some of you guys need to get some other purpose in life than waiting for a freakin SOFTWARE UPDATE.

i mean, froyo would be nice and i want it too, but - just living up to the 23. of june and hoping for froyo - that's very sad. don't you have anything else to look forward to?

what i say is this: it is ok to want htc to update our htc desire. it is ok to mark the 23 of june, and even to check at 6 o clock in the morning if htc did release the update(like i did :)). out of love for technology, this is ok.

however, when waiting for an android update becomes the most important thing in your live, there sure is something wrong.

i don't mean to insult any of you. i just want to say that maybe you should think about what i said. do you really want your live to turn arround a piece of software?
[Desire General] EddyOS:
^ That's it right there. It's not HTCs fault Google haven't given them FroYo yet is it?

EDIT: I was pointing to the post above the one above this (someone else got in there as I typed)
[Desire General] ljesh:
Well, that is why we all expect this update - out of love for technology.

Your post is controversial with itself :)

BTW, I am disappointed at google. Yes, google, not HTC. Google announced Froyo over a month ago now, and said it will be released "in the next few weeks". To me (and I guess you all agree) "next few weeks" is next one, two or three weeks. If I get to 4 weeks, then I would say "next few months.

Google messed it up bad this time. And they're just starting.

I won't say I will get iWhatever, I am just sharing my thoughts of this case.
[Desire General] jimlad:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=708925
[Desire General] neoKushan:
Well now this IS interesting. Someone apparently heard from someone at HTC somewhere that the Froyo update would be coming out on June 23. Now, since it was HTC support (supposedly) saying this, people naturally assumed this meant HTC's update for their devices (i.e. the desire).

Yet here we are, June 23 and the SOURCE for Froyo releases. Seems a bit of a coincidence to me. Perhaps whoever it was that posted the rumour really did talk to HTC and somewhere, wires got crossed. Either way, it shouldn't be long now before we can start hammering at HTC's door to get our Froyo ETA.

I wouldn't expect it any time soon though, I'd say late July at the earliest.
[Desire General] poldie:
I just emailed HTC a few days ago and all they're saying is that some phones will get an update later this year, and the announcement of when they'll be updated will be released closer to the time. This is the exact same statement they've made for months now. I wouldn't take some guy on a phone line seriously - how would he know? If he knew, wouldn't other people know? Wouldn't it be all over the net? I doubt it'll be out in July given that July is a few days away and no announcement has been made about its imminent release.

2.2 is a minor release anyway, just like every other release since 1.5 in fact, so it's probably not worth getting too excited about.
[Desire General] tommo123:
it is (10charlimt)
[Desire General] dnlgee:
Not exactly a minor release saying as there's newer app revisions for the browser etc.
[Desire General] DarkFoxDK:
Nice troll...
[Desire General] flitjes:
Has your head been up ur ass or what?

Minor release, Google is saying its faster 2-5 tiimes, terthering out of the box, flash 10.1 and we get a form of A2SD. I kinda think that isn't a minor release.
[Desire General] brianius:
Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAZYSVr2Bhc
[Desire General] Dr Asqueroso:
i just called htc

ok so I just called HTC and ask when Android 2.2 was going to be released, as like so many I need some issues addressing which only "Froyo" can fix and I was told the following

"I am going to read you the official statement we have been given. We are unsure as to when Android 2.2 will be released to our handsets as we are still assessing the impact it will have on the user experience and no official word has been passed on to as to which handsets will be getting the update but when testing is complete we will publish a full list of handsets which can use the update".

So my understanding of this means we will need to wait until HTC has completed their testing to see how Froyo and HTC Sense co-exist.

If anyone would like the number to call please be my guest uk number 01279 206906
[Desire General] Aitese:
Or could we all stop being so annoying to the HTC customer service people who are there to resolve real issues?
[Desire General] neoKushan:
I work in a call centre myself and believe me, not everyone knows the same stuff as everyone else. Some people know loads, others only know the bare minimum to get by. And nobody knows EVERYTHING. Even our second line guys will sometimes go "uhhh...hold on a second while I ask one of my colleagues who's a bit better with <insert problem/query here>".

Some people are brilliant on certain topics and know nothing on certain things. That's just how it works, for most places. I'm not saying the guy on the phone was legit or anything, but considering the coincidence, it sure sounds to me like chinese whispers.
[Desire General] m8tix:
fyi

zdnet has revoked their statement of the 2.2 release within the next 2 weeks if it hasn't brought up here.

http://www.zdnet.de/news/mobile_wir...sire_und_legend_story-39002365-41533741-1.htm

They said that the release could be till to the end of the third quarter of this year but thats not an officially announcement from htc.
[Desire General] wuthton:
Is this deja-vu or Hero-vu?
[Desire General] oursoul:
Haha someone from zdnet's been reading too much XDA [rolleyes]
[Desire General] code72:
eheheheh, i'm a new Desire owner (two days) coming from a Hero and i can only confirm :)
[Desire General] TheAshMan:
Official Froyo for HTC Desire Release Date: Last Week

Ok, so I just spoke to a friend who knows a HTC employee, let's call him "Rob" and Rob's said that Froyo for the HTC Desire was actually due for release last week, but then they watched the WWDC and got busy trying to preorder their iPhones. One thing led to another and now they're all sat at home all giddy, playing FarmVille and playing fart sounds as soon as someone walks into the room before laughing their heads off.

Unfortunately for us Desire owners this means that Froyo date has been pushed back due to release of the iPhone, and they won't be pushing the big "OTA Froyo" button until the HTC devs get over their iPhones - which is when the iPhone 4L comes out.

So I'm sorry to disappoint, but this is the latest from our insider at HTC I assure you.

Now I'm CC'ing a copy of this post to Engadget, Gizmodo and ZDNet so don't be surprised if this is tomorrow's headline.

True story.
[Desire General] Dr Asqueroso:
Aitese, i'm not going to get into any kind of slanging match with you but i think you miss understood my post. To say i was annoying HTC support is a tad rude on your part. xda is a great site but you must admit it is full non-facts and half truth's. In an attempt to ensure i knew exactly what HTC had planned for my phone i called them so i would not have factually incorrect information.
[Desire General] Z1CkY:
this is a bad news :mad:
[Desire General] zipredictive:
OT ON

....0mg.... and what else? Steve Jobs uses N1 in his pvt life? And Bill Gates an iPhone? And AlGore is a "Corp. that cuts trees and kills wales" owner?

Cmon guys..... this is one of the most weird thing I read on internet since time, a lot of time...

In Italy we say "Ok, so I just spoke to a friend who knows a" says everything... :)

OT OFF
[Desire General] poldie:
Probably the guy who said HTC would release updates to Froyo on the 23rd june meant that that was the date HTC would get Froyo source from Google:

http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/23/android-2-2-froyo-source-code-available-today/

and only then would the clock start ticking towards an official release. So all the time between the Google conference and yesterday it wasn't only us waiting for the new version but also HTC (and the other manufacturers)!
[Desire General] Upquark:
TheAshMan, thanks for a good laugh. :D
[Desire General] auldreekie:
I know a guy who knows who's going to win the World Cup in SA, he knows a guy who knows a guy that knows someones uncle...or is it aunty that knows who the winner will be.:rolleyes:
[Desire General] DarkFoxDK:
I think I <3 you.

Pure brilliance.
[Desire General] typhex:
i used the magic 8-Ball app. I asked " Will we have HTC 2.2 Update tomorrow?" My 8-ball told me "Cannot predict now."

suxx eh? :rolleyes:
[Desire General] Scann69:
Hehehehe.....:D
[Desire General] Gorgice:
The Magic 8 Ball

h t t p ://i47.tinypic.com/wqygyx.png

that doesnt look good.... ;l
[Desire General] :
wrong thread
[HD2 General] ayilm1:
Hi,

Just wondering if it is at all possible to update sense without a complete reflash? I am asking this because it is a very long process for me to flash a new rom on and restore everything back to how it was. My reason for this is because I can't get any of the manila tab add ons to work with my current version 2.5.19211619. They seem to only work if it is 2.5.20xxxxxx. If this isn't possible, is there something I have missed in order to get the documents tab to work? It appears but the counter is set to 9999/9999. It isn't the indexing dll files as I have checked and these are in \windows. Also selecting the documents tab causes sense to hang and needs a reset to work again.

Thanks in advance
[HD2 General] ayilm1:
100 hits and no one has suggestions?:D
[HD2 General] rumpleforeskin:
truth is that a reflash is really the only way to get a new build of sense, sorry its not what you wanted to hear.
[HD2 General] Archer:
Ask about your problem with the documents tab on the thread where you got it. You can guarantee you're not the only person that's had the problem.
[HD2 General] ayilm1:
Thanks for the reply. Is it at all possible for me to get the documents tab working on this version of sense? I read somewhere that the test version of the documents actually shipped with this version but was disabled due to instability. Correct me if I'm wrong. Is there a work around?
[HD2 General] Archer:
You're asking in the wrong place.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mythamp:
Hi guys, has anyone of you new froyo users been able to upload the desire notification bar on their stock 2.2 roms? If so, can you help me with the steps.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] r2001uk:
I tried it and it crashed my phone at boot-up. The Desire LWP also doesn't work - it installs fine but fc's when you try set it.

Haven't bothered with the desire camera though, the new one is much improved.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DrKaufee:
please someone figure this out!

+111111111111111
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] behelit:
most people are just waiting for the deodex'd files... required to change the font color
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] dudes45:
Hey guys just wondering why every time i flash my own custom rom after two or three resets the rom has 8mbs of system memory free, ive tried this on nearly every 6.5 build and the original amount of ram before resets is around 59-64mb, I am using HTC TyTn II obviously and am just wondering if anyone can help me. I was also wondering if there are anythings i should install when i build a rom which will make it run faster because it is pretty sluggish ohh yeah and on the task manager there is no prgrams running apart from task manger and the other standard windows ones. Thanks
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] smokestack76:
There are a TON of reg entries you can make to speed it up. What NK are you using? I would assume stock rom NK
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] smokestack76:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Kaiser%20ROM%20Kitchen%20Tutorial
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] smokestack76:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=493044&highlight=joshkoss+kitchen

I would suggest getting a kitchen from josh as well. ;)
[Desire General] cosmicharade:
Whenever I enabled my Exchange work email account, the phone forces me to set a password which drives me nuts, because I have to then set the screen timeout to at least 2 minutes so I don't go mad typing in the password every time I reach for the phone. I found a lock delay app which works great, but only after I disabled Exchange, so the screen times out after a minute but only locks out after about 10 minutes - MUCH better.

I just can't use this with Exchange as the 'security policy' over-rides everything and drops me back to password lock out with screen time out.

Any thoughts?
[Desire General] Gripenstedt:
Lock Picker

Search Android Market for an app called Lock Picker by Jeroen Brosens. That should solve your problem.
[Desire General] cosmicharade:
And the Exchange Security Policy won't override this?
[Desire General] Gripenstedt:
As far as I know, no. Lock Picker runs as a service which completely disables the policy. I.e. the phone will be locked no more. Works like a charm on my Desire. However, if you at some point have the need to remove and re-add the account remember to disable the service while doing so.
[Desire General] cosmicharade:
I found a few applications but no app by the name of 'lock picker' - I Lock Delay is great though as it sets a lock out different to the screen timeout.

Ideally one would be able to delay the lock past screen time out, I don't mind using a password (prefer in fact) but it's annoying to have to re-enter a password every two minutes, otherwise the screen is left on if I set the timeout for longer.
[Desire General] Giland:
You could try this :
[Desire General] likwidz:
i also had this problem... when i setup my company mail account that the phone forced me to enter a password ...

so i just installed LockPicker and it worked ... no password entry screen anymore

great app !

- kr
[Desire General] elmalote:
Had the same problem too.

I made a new unlock pattern first, added my exchange account, installed LockPicker and then uninstalled it, works like a charm :D
[Desire General] cosmicharade:
Ok so I've installed lockpicker and removed the forced password. If I remove this app now, I can go back to before with the Lock Delay app? Can I also run custom lock screens on top too that display info on the lock screen?

The ideal set up is delayed password protection, say 20 minutes, with screen time out to 2 minutes.