yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] vladimir2989:
yeah sure, we just have to email Bill.Gates@Microsoft.com and Steve.Ballmer@Microsoft.com and ask for it :)

lol sorry i know it isn't helpful, but MS aren't very good a giving stuff away, its hard enough to get stuff they actually release of them without long Registrations, licencing, some sort of membership and other BS.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] landslide:
This is Microsoft's MO... They are using UIX/Iris internally to build WP7 Office and WP7 O/S in general. That is what they put Zune together with. It is mainly for performance reasons. But think about it, everyone else gets Silverlight and XNA in all it's glory (cough, cough)...

It is the same model they used when developing traditional desktop windows and office. As they build office, they keep all the cool new UI stuff to themselves. Mostly because it means their competitors can't take advantage of their IP and significant investment in R&D (ie. use it against them) and partly because it requires documentation and hardening for the wider public consumption by developers.

In this case the .NET CLR is an important sandbox to prevent developers from fscking with the O/S performance (it creates a simple barrier to preserve experience).

The big concern from my perspective as a 'seasoned windows ce' developer is that platforms like this are actually restricting software development innovation, reducing the capabilities and possibilities for developers, significantly. What if I want to build a radical new 'augmented reality' application like layar or something similar to that game that allows you to control a real life toy helicopter via bluetooth and battle virtual enemies over a couch in augmented reality - fat chance.

Google's Android on the other hand is open, warts and all, and it's technical prowess is impressive. They have TRUE multitasking, and they have seriously rethought the operating system constructs in a constrained mobile environment (activities, intents, content providers, etc). These are innovative technical solutions to the problems above.

It will be interesting to see how Android and Dalvik (now JIT'd and ultra fast in 2.2) compares against the .NET CLR and WP7's restrictive development model... For one, Google really need to start investing in better tooling - Microsoft trump them there.

Will the current genre of iFart/wp7Fart applications and basic games carry these platforms into the future and satisfy user's needs? Or will this application sandbox and overt control ultimately starve innovation?

I foresee a lot of "my iphone or windows phone, can't do that" in the future.

Interesting times...
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] vangrieg:
If you run Linpack on HD2 you'll see that 2.2 is not ultra fast at all, it simply was ultra slow on 2.1 and earlier. JIT has always been enabled on .Net, if I'm not mistaken. Not that floating point performance is a good measure of how fast the OS overall is, but since Google tried to present it this way...
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] landslide:
From what I hear, it is much faster - that is from a user's perspective, not a mathematical benchmark.

If you mean .NET CF, yes it has been JIT'd since 1.0. AFAIK it is a stack based VM like it's big brother CLR, not a tuned register based VM like Dalvik. It would be great to hear some real-life comparative benchmarks though. :)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] da_gluck:
I hope it's still some hours before we can see the first WP7 phone @ Da_G's hands =)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] l3v5y:
That's "much faster", not "fast" in absolute terms.

For performance intensive tasks, native, compiled code will be faster, which gives Android and the NDK a slight boost, though .Net CF and the JIT in Android 2.2 seem fairly similar performance wise (from a very quick couple of tests).

I believe WP7 will see native development, though not at first release.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Warjcowski:
Sorry you must be a senior member and/or donate large sums of money to xda to get to work on your TP. Seriously, a flashable rom doesnt exist yet and if it did the TP's hardware doesnt support WM7 which is why Da_G needed a HD2.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] da_gluck:
It's a pity, that code viser made so. 3500$ is very much for an instrument 2 porting WP7. Is there any idea, on other software?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Da_G:
I'm currently brainstorming alternate approaches to the problem. I'm thinking something along the lines of a RAM loader that loads the WM7 OS up to RAM, on top of the WM6.5 OS, and provides wrappers around the various dll interfaces to translate the function calls..

I'm talking with a few knowledgable people about it as that would definitely require a team effort due to the amount of programming involved!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] l3v5y:
Would that be similar to the way haret works? In which case, couldn't a WP7 virtual bootloader be built off that?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] da_gluck:
Yes, it'll be same way as haret, while it won't have it's own bootloader.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] ND4SPD:
yeah.... i've tried that as has da_g. unfortunately, that's not an option so these alternate solutions are going to have to be explored.

not that it's a bad thing - that's what xda has always done :D
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] ping33tx:
Thank You

Thanks For all your hard work,i know saying doesnt pay the bills but at least you can know in your heart that some people look up to guys like yourself,again thanks for all the hard work and testing your doing.Ping33tx
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] vladimir2989:
so is proper port of the OS is out of the question ?

Because if we gonna start WP7 from already running WM6, would it not be massive wast of memory ? the WM6 Rom 180MB (host) then WP7 (200 - 300MB) that's most of the ROM gone... M i wrong ?

also every reboot of the phone will take forever WM6 to start then the Loader, then WP7...

i really hope it will be a Rom port, i don't really care if it mean i cant flash WM6 back.. as long as WP7 works...

(sorry if I'm incorrect on something, just thoughts)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] l3v5y:
I think this is mostly for testing, since JTAG would be used to flash a ROM, but is prohibitively expensive, alternative means need to be found.

The Vogue used Haret for Android porting, and now it's possible to flash an Android ROM image, which is the next logical step from what Da_G was proposing.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Mindreaver:
Just wondering.. will it eventually be possible to flash a WP7 ROM to the HD2? Or is it impossible without the use of a JTAG thingy?

I guess it's a stupid question, but just wanna know :)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] silentP:
Eventually it will be possible, just like all other OS's. The JTAG, and someone step in and correct me if I'm wrong, allows Da_G or other devs to flash to the phone even though it may be "bricked". In a lot of threads, jtag is mentioned to be used in the event of a bad flash. It pushes the info into the phones memory via a direct cable instead of via a bootloader. It will take awhile to figure it out, but I have faith that eventually we will be using WP7 and *****ing for WP7.5 or whatever the next step will be...lol :)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] bbezja1:
you nailed it. every single word xD
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] efjay:
It looks like the security requirements may block certain features from working:

http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=17264

MS has been very strict with handing out bans for modded Xboxes, could we see the same for phones?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] DonAndress:
@efjay

Are you really that interested in serious gaming on a small phone's screen?

Good luck with that...

Personally I don't give a tiny rat's ass about Live on WP7 so if its existance means some kind of a ban for modding ROMs then the hell with it. I would remove that module from then ROM with pleasure.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] bbezja1:
what small screen? are you blind? HD2 screen has enough room for the game and finger controls
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] daniel_irias:
i will donate 100$ for a working WP7 Rom on HTC T-Mobile Touch Pro2
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Joker2206:
HD2 screen has enough room for IMAX.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] PlaygroundOP:
Don't know if this is new news to anyone or if it matters...

I was talking to a T-Mobile rep a few days ago, and he said that T-Mobile has promised that there will be WM7 available for the TP2 and the HD2. Guess that means that the hardware can handle it?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] why_999:
Could that rep mistaking WM6.5.3 with WP7?? because I can understand the HD2, but the TP2.. I dont think so.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] mirakle:
I agree. It seems strange.

But maybe he was talking about the wm7 "pro" version based on 6.5.x we've recently seen on a motorola (?) device? The tp2 is a device that targets pro users after all.

:confused:
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] HazzBazz:
Lol why would microsoft say hd2 is not getting windows phone 7 when it is...? If it doesn't meet the chassis requirements it won't get the upgrade...end of. 6.5.3 I'd the probable upgrade.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S using the XDA App.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] oTToToTenTanz:
What Motorola are you talkin about. Is there a new wm 6.5.x release? Link? Thanks
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] RustyGrom:
No. It means the T-Mo rep was talking out his ass and trying to sell phones.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] derylmccarty:
(WP7 + apps) x TP2 = sl (ow)

You have it about right...someone is trying to sell phones (duh, it is his job.) WP7 plus the apps that will assuredly be generated by devs just aren't going to cut it on TP2's 528MHz chip. Minimum in my mind is HD2's Snapdragon, but better yet a Snapdragon 1.5-1.75MHz that are probably on some fabs' radar but in the 2+ year future. Just my $00.02 (adjusted for inflation)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] mirakle:
I was just thinking about an article saying that a more advanced 6.5.x could be a pro version of what windows phone 7 has to offer. (I can't seem to find it anymore though). :confused:

Anyway, I was just pointing out that the new pro motorola es400 is using a 6.5.3 build along professionnal softwares and a tile based ui.

http://www.motorola.com/web/Business/microsites/US-EN/ES400/index.html

Even though I'm following this interesting thread about windows phone 7, I'm not even sure that a 6.5.3 build will officially appear for the HD2.

And yes, I don't think that the t-mob rep could access this kind of information. :D
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] DatDereX1:
that's windows embedded handheld which is supposed to be released next year
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] digitalhater:
except for all the chit-chat that's going on here polluting the thread, is there any current update on development here?

thanks!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Da_G:
I haven't been able to make much progress on the hardware side of things without the JTAG unit, there's not too much you can do blindly without a great risk of bricking.

However, Omnia Repair Tool Just updated with QSD/HD2 support, so i'll be picking up one of these ASAP. That should spur things along quite a bit :)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] digitalhater:
Hello Da_G,

Thanks for the heads up. I hope people will donate in hopes there's going to be a Windows Phone 7 OS on our beloved HD2.

Best of luck mate! Keeping my fingers crossed!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] ElCondor:
Good to see you're still active:)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Da_G:
Active yes, but still not getting very far, although not from lack of hammering away at it with a large rubber mallet :)

Things are very intertwined as far as the boot sequence goes (BLDR expects AMSS to be initialized in a manner that the current HD2 AMSS doesn't do, as it expects to pass off control to SPL rather than BLDR)

And the Mondrian AMSS chokes and dies on the HD2 very early in initialization (Seems that aside from the differing clock speed in the platform there's an added hardware component or two)

Unfortunately Mondrian remains the closest donor platform to HD2 (The other WP7 platforms i've got ROMs for are Tegra and OMAP, which are completely different and so not feasible as a donor)

Maybe I can convince QC or HTC to let a BSP slip :)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Geniusdog254:
If you can get Qualcomm to pass you any Snapdragon docs, hit me up with them ;)

I'm working on a Snapdragon GPU overclock for Android, and it's not accessible from the kernel.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Stig-Rune:
Just wondering; what manufacturer does the Tegra-rom belong to? (I want to know what kinda phone I'll might wanna buy around x-mass :P )
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] fb401:
I'm pretty sure Tegra is NVIDIA tech.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] mo3ulla:
he he guys you are like big kids ... only 1 device so far can get wp7 ,, and only one device can get even hope for wp7 .. HD2

you have bootloader ?

you have NK (Hardware dependable kernel)? without it os cant run at all .

if you desire to run wp7 on old kernel from 5-6-.6.5... dats - roflmao/ os kinda too different atleast if count kernel

so far driver model does not changed .. so it will help a lot .

but anyway only leo have small chances ... as far as i know was leaked prebeta from exibition .. but too many maybe

1 it can be uncompatible with RTM .

2. it can require special equipment to flash it

3. it simply can be unreleaseed ... due many reasons = exclusive for small group ... partyvan for who stole it .. so on

ps - i dont count BSP - board support package coz its more like miracle for tupical device
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] mazzarin:
I think the focus for porting is Leo, then everything else!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] omgtrey:
Nahhh, let's start with the Rhodium :D
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] CRACING:
HTC Wallaby will be the first. :p
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] liosho:
where is the picture ？？？

where is the picture ？？？
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Snow02:
HTC wallaby?

Sorry...
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] nick178856787:
is this rom for tmos hd2?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] digitalhater:
DO NOT attempt to flash this on any HD2. There are no Windows Phone 7 roms available for HTC HD2 as of today!

Make sure you read the threads before doing something stupid that you might regret.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] qipengart:
Can anyone throw up this ROM into a virtual computer emulator? Since we don't have the hardware yet.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] l3v5y:
We'd have to emulate the complete hardware (the XDE doesn't really emulate things, it's just running x86 code). That's probably more work than managing to port the entire OS.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] 10Miki79:
Ist die eine Version für Mordrian oder HD2?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] mskip:
This is an English speaking forum please post your question in English using a translator if needed.

Mark.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] ruscik:
So as HD7 is out will that speed up the process?

Just asking as do not know if I should go and buy one.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] GSLEON3:
Hey DA-G,

Can you pm me with the specifics on dumping imgfs from wp7... I am working on the mozart rom & have gotten the BL worked thru as well as the sdys, but I crash everytime I try the IMGFS section.

I tried reading sections from emulator image using tdaz's old tools, but that dog just won't hunt.

& for goodness sake, MS buys tell me, builds relatyions with vlingo & nuance, but WP7 is still using old MSVC technology??? For goodness sakes, what the hell is that? Seriously, check the dump.

HMMM... looks like a new updated version of netcf 3.7 in the sys too! I thought 4.0 would be in here.

This really looks just as it is a test rom. I amreally moreinterested in the Mozart rom, which is looking more RC than this one.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] jeanpier01:
Hello everyone

I'm not an expert hacker of the phones.

I want to know if I can install Windows phone 7 on my HTC HD2.

Where can I download this rom?

Thanks to all
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] The Gate Keeper:
Windows Phone 7 WILL NOT be supported on ANY current WinMo Phones: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=728458

WP7 on HD2 [Cotulla Development status preview]: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=802971
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] kondejm:
hi everyone.can somone good guy told me when will be cooked and ready to use wm7 rom for htc leo?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] desolateone1:
Not any time soon.

Search before posting.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] kondejm:
hello once again.sorry but i try to find something about this rom but my english is not that good to be understand everything.please help me.someone knows something about this wp7 rom to hd2?please links if possible.cheers
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] ceesheim:
can Da_g or someone else explane me how the extract that IMGFS ?

because I can't figure it out and the only one that is extracted is an old one .
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] whistler-nl:
This rom is for a MONDRIAN phone, NOT FOR HD2!

People are trying to pull it apart to find out the structure so they will be able to change it and rebuild it for other phones (not any time soon).
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] athompson:
If you get ImageFSTools, you can break the image down to the very last step (nb files). But I haven't been able to get past that step, but I suspect with a hex editor and the source code it wouldn't be too hard.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] sidicious:
So, I have been searching and searching, and what I have come to believe, please correct me if I am wrong... but what I have read is that the mondrian was a codename for the htc surround. If that is true, that means this rom would work on an ATT HTC surround right?

If all of my conclusions are correct, this brings me to my real question....

can someone please tell me how i would go about writing this rom to my htc surround?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] ceesheim:
I opened ULDR1 in notepad and I found this sert (or something ) maybe someone can look at this , maybe someone can use it ;)

http://crl.microsoft.com/pki/crl/products/MicrosoftMobilePCA.crl

http://www.microsoft.com/pki/crl/products/MicrosoftMobilePCA.crl
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] ceesheim:
LOL and here you have them all :D

http://www.microsoft.com/pki/crl/products/
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] MOster:
Somebody who knows how to use them had better spider that.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] dada.81:
How to extract WP7 files

Can you copy some windows directory dll files from a HTC WP7 device or its image to the a PC. I would like to get dcompass.dll and ecd.dll which I saw were on the device with TouchXplorer, but I could not copy them to my PC. Could any1 help upload all of the Windows directory files or instruct on how to extract them plz...TIA
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] jessenic:
Sorry to bring up so old thread, but I'm interested in this old ROM. Could someone try to dump it and build the XIP packages? The current dump does not have them built. SystemInfoExe.exe is really interesting, it is a task manager. If someone could build it and the dynamic link libraries it needs, we might get it running on current devices.

Edit. So they are in ShellDogfood package and the files need to be built are systeminfo.dll, systeminfoexe.exe and systeminforemote.dll.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] TheXev:
What phone did you want to try and target this build at?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] herpez:
Hi. I think it would be nice to have more info about htc mondrian because that way we could know mondrian's hardware and see if there is any device close to that.

Of course, first we need to understand the file and dump it and so on.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] AndrewSh:
Why not? Would be useful. At least the topic will stay free from flaming if they post here from their PDAs. :)

BTW, I suppose the time has come to clean the topic up.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Noonski:
Topics only get cleaned up if OP requests this or is specific about the intent of his post. Or when things get out of hand or are in danger of getting out of hand, which does not seem to be the case here.

I don't see where advertising to users that don't know the full depth of the subject to go and possibly brick their devices. That would be irresponsible.

(not that I see any bricks happening as the image get's rejected before anything actually gets flashed)

But it is common sense to advice against it instead of encouraging it.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] l2tp:
guys, let's stop offtopic, had anybody dumped its xip.bin? it seems that there is no usual romdhr structure, and also pointer seems to be broken..
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] af974:
Agreed...and honestly i guess that a red warning must be put in first OP post,just to be sure.

Did you read the latest 90 postes?

I guess you will find your answer reading trough all the thread so we will not make any double post.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] anarchyuk:
Damn i bricked my tv remote control with this rom...

On a more serious note thats really good news for you WM folk, just hope build 6176 is close enough to RC, if not its a step forward for tools and a kitchen to be developed.

:cool:
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] saints5354:
Dear all developers, thumb up for u all, thanks 911sniper, Da_G , u ppl make my life more interesting...

Tom is so quite, may b should join & share idea to make it happen ... anyw it is happenning. :)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] l2tp:
af974

i have read EVERY post here and have been sitting in winhex for all the day, and also i don't think that xip structure differs a lot from the one we see usually, so probably somebody managed to resolve this problem, i made some success here, but some problems still are not solved. and if you have nothing to say in this topic just keep silence, please.

guys, can you stop turning this thread into a scrapheap? let's keep on topic.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] NRGZ28:
Are you really sure that's such a good idea ? I know it's sensational and you'd rather "break" the story first, but think of the interest of the community first.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] af974:
Im sorry , i was speaking about that post from Da_G.

Just a little note, please, dont tell me to keep in silence......and this time i will be nice :rolleyes:

If you know how to dump xip.bin from this .nbh just share with us.

Thanks.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] NRGZ28:
He's got a point. If you have nothing to add to the thread... let's not get it filled with garbage posts. I just cleaned it up a little.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] crazemaster123:
hey !

can it be used by other systems ? and any screen shots ?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] :
Lets say you got a kitchen made for this ROM. How big do you think it would be? It might not fit on some devices.

Nice work btw :)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] NRGZ28:
Can we stop with this kind of posts please ?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] NoWorthWhile:
By the look of the build number (6176) it's the same that's in the emulator in the April refresh... So, I guess that build has got to be RC.

Wish I could help you guys out. But I don't have the knowledge nor the time to learn atm.

Btw, I don't know how it usually happens, but could someone post (or explain how to do it) the list of what is included in the rom?

Cheers!