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[Desire Android Development] cosmicharade:
How safe is it to root now? The only reason I want to root is to break this application memory restriction, I'm cleaning out my memory on a daily basis now and HTC have said they'll sit on their arse any time up to December to get Froyo out.
[Desire Android Development] templebar:
Not safe at all, I bricked my phone after taking all possible precautions.

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[Desire Android Development] Jpcurrie:
There must be a common denominator here, possibly not so obvious though.

How about creating a questionnaire for bricked users, this would allow people to see trends without trawling though millions of posts.

One good idea or epiphany can solve this issue and good consistent data is an easy way to help achieve this.

?
[Desire Android Development] shawe_ewahs:
I propose the same in other thread but people ignore me.
[Desire Android Development] Twister360:
What about getting into Recovery using Windows instead of Linux?
[Desire Android Development] stingerpl:
Maybe they ignore you because there is such a thread over at modaco.
[Desire Android Development] vrodic:
People with bricked phones, how did you connect your device to the PC? On front, on back, through a monitor USB hub, or maybe a laptop? Did you get periodic "Select mode" prompts from Desire for no apparent reason before?

C/P my post fro modaco topic "Issues with USB connectivity etc. and root / A2SD"

Just to add some observations from me.

I didn't do any attempts of rooting, I just got my device a couple of days ago.

I've noticed that when I have the Desire connected to my desktop computer through a USB hub on the monitor, it will seemingly have problem with USB connection, with a phone detecting a new connection every once in a while, asking me which mode - (Just charge, sync, Storage) to use. When I connected the phone directly on the back of the computer, it didn't seem to have these issues.

I've had similar problems with my 2.5 inch WD external USB drive, where I've also had problems when connecting to the USB port on the front of the PC. I didn't test desire connected to the front USB ports, but I have a feeling I'll have the same problem as when I connected to the monitor USB hub.

My explanation is that the cables that extend the USB to the monitor, or to the front of the PC are somehow not good enough to sustain a stable USB connection, when the device also sucks in a significant amount of power (HTC Desire for charging, and the external disk for powering the disk).

The way I'll test my device when I get back home is that I will transfer a large file to SD card on the phone, disconnect the USB cable, connect it again and check the md5sum on the SD card. This way I'll see if the file transfer was completed correctly. To be sure, I should do this a couple of times. I'll also repeat with the phone connected to the USB hub on the monitor.

May be a wrong path, but it's worth a try.

Also, I guess that the .zip files used in the root process also can be tested (with unzip -t on linux) for example.

So long story short, if anybody with a bricked phone connects the phone through a separate hub, or front of the PC, or a laptop with unstable USB port, that could be related maybe.
[Desire Android Development] alias_neo:
Modaco

As I also replied to you on Modaco, I have also noticed the intermittent disconnection of the USB prompting me to select the "mode" several times while I was copying music files over.

Normally I have seen this only when high power devices are connected to ports that an not supply the power.

For example iphone and WD external HDD at the same time, iPhone charging takes too much power so the HDD can't spin up.

I could test using the rear ports on my desktop which are high powered and see if the disconnect still happens or not.
[Desire Android Development] philicibine:
Re: Unrooted :( til we get a stable root. Who's working on this? [THINK TANK?]

Hello guys.. I appreciate that people are anxious to get this usb issue solved, and there are threads available that are discussing the subject.

We are getting off the topic here. Maybe the whole issue could be solved by achieving proper root?

This would hopefully enable flashing without the usb being connected at all.

I'm beginning to think too much work is going into fixing this, rather than achieving real root. Has anyone considered that it could be a protection issue? Maybe the spl is something to do with it?

Just my two pennies worth, don't want the thread to go off topic.

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[Desire Android Development] alias_neo:
No easy way for us to tell. Personally I would hazard a guess that running a tiny linux distribution on your phone to run some scripts for you is what's causing the problem. It's far too prone to errors.

A proper root will only tell us if it's the method or not that is causing these bricks. it is also entirely possible that HTC have introduced security measures that will trigger certain flags in the bootloader or elsewhere to enter the phone in to this "brick mode."
[Desire Android Development] philicibine:
Re: Unrooted :( til we get a stable root. Who's working on this? [THINK TANK?]

But again, we're still off topic!

I started this thread about, root.. not the usb issue

Is anyone working on root?

Please discuss here!

Maybe we can sort it between us.

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[Desire Android Development] alias_neo:
It would seem that these are directly linked at present. the root is the root of the problem problem, and from root should stem the solution.

As for fixing it, we'd have to take a close look at exactly Paul has done in the root, and have some serious knowledge of how it works in order to make it any better.

I doubt we could do much better than what he's probably trying himself, since he already has the foundation of understanding of the rooting process.
[Desire Android Development] philicibine:
Re: Unrooted :( til we get a stable root. Who's working on this? [THINK TANK?]

From his tweets, I saw he said, on a stock phone, you can install kernel modules... so maybe this is where we should start.

Install a module to gain root? I'm not to knowledgeable about this stuff.

How about you?

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[Desire Android Development] alias_neo:
It depends what exactly you mean, if you mean r/w access then it's possible, but anything lower level than that is controlled by some security that is beyond the kernel (closer to hardware layer) and adding kernel modules would make no difference.
[Desire Android Development] philicibine:
i`m stumped!

r/w access is what we`re after. enough access to maybe flash a reverse engineered spl??

i`ve unrooted like i say, so if anyone has any ideas they want me to try.. i`d try some modules but i dont know how to install them.

I think paul used a module to install busybox into /sbin?

i dont wanna start talkin all technical for fear of makin myself sound stoopid :confused:
[Desire Android Development] Jpcurrie:
Re: Unrooted :( til we get a stable root. Who's working on this? [THINK TANK?]

It sounds like a hypervisor

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[Desire Android Development] philicibine:
hmmm... just wiki`d hypervisor...

it seems plausible.. it protects memory access in realtime... also said something about a memory protection module??

would this be in the kernel?? probably in the spl isnt it??

if we can install modules, maybe we can overwrite or delete some?
[Desire Android Development] Jpcurrie:
Re: Unrooted :( til we get a stable root. Who's working on this? [THINK TANK?]

If it was so I would imagine the Kernel would load under the hypervisor, itself sandwiched between that and the hardware.

It's certainly plausible its how MS protects (or tried to) the xbox 360 for example.

I would imagine that one could protect the system partition too with one.

I have no proof though might I add.

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[Desire Android Development] Jpcurrie:
Re: Unrooted :( til we get a stable root. Who's working on this? [THINK TANK?]

Thinking more about it you would be able to limit hardware access with one too....hmmm bricks.

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[Desire Android Development] philicibine:
Re: Unrooted :( til we get a stable root. Who's working on this? [THINK TANK?]

So how do we go about detecting it, and stopping, or changing it?

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[Desire Android Development] Jpcurrie:
I have absolutely no idea - I'm not a developer (not in the last 15 years anyway) and wouldn't know where to start.

From what I do know if it does exist it's probably run at the hardware level on chip, presumably with qualcomm.

I honestly hope I'm wrong because if it is we will be looking for exploits at best unless we get inside information that is.
[Desire Android Development] philicibine:
Re: Unrooted :( til we get a stable root. Who's working on this? [THINK TANK?]

Can anyone point me in the right direction for trying some modules..

Maybe ill try and install busybox. Seems a good place to start.

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[Desire Android Development] janvandusschoten:
I have no clue how to get a stable root and custom recovery, but I've stopped flashing until it is all done. I realy like to taste the FroYo if it becomes available, but I don't think it is wurth a bricked USB port.

Is it that hard to crack or is no one working on it? I think that the person(s) who can crack it is/are busy making ROMs (but I could be wrong though).
[Desire Android Development] alias_neo:
Judging by Pauls Twitter posts he's busy working on the X10 root, so who knows how much effort if any is currently being put into the Desire. I'm happy to stick it out, I'll be off away for the rest of the summer so hopefully by the time I get back in September something new will have happened, then I can start developing custom ROMs for this thing.

I'd like to bring something to the community, but as I unfortunately can't afford to buy every device on the market, like some people, desire is my main phone, and sharing aint worth losing a desire over :D
[Desire Android Development] philicibine:
Re: Unrooted :( til we get a stable root. Who's working on this? [THINK TANK?]

Ok guys... I found this...

xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=589642

It's about hacking spls... can anyone on a Linux box have a go? Might be a good chance to root?

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[Desire Android Development] alpinux:
That's definitly the right path. I asked some of the devs over there if they are willing to help.
[HD2 General] nardone24:
Anyone know how to edit the settings on the Torch Button.

I need to know how to make the light stay on longer on the Bright setting.

I know where to edit in the registry but i dont know what value to change.

HKLM\software\torchbutton\

Would i just increase the value of "BrightmodeTimeout"???????

I just hate how it turns off so quickly

I have done my research plz can someone help
[HD2 General] nardone24:
Come on no one???
[HD2 General] keepzero:
I heard some where that the Super brite torch mode only lasts for 10 sec because if it lasted any longer than it would damage the LED. I dunno. I sure dont want damage my phone in that manner.
[HD2 General] samsamuel:
yes just increase the timeout.

yes you risk damaging the leds permanently.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] vahidmajazi:
hello

how can I add program( phonex 2.2 , wktask , camera album 2.5 qvga ,...) to rom 6.5.x babak000?
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] babak00000:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=6547092&postcount=97
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] vahidmajazi:
thanks mr babak. but what is SDConfig.txt ? is it a program or text?
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] babak00000:
SDConfig.txt is ANSI text file you create on your SD card. It includes path to some CAB or XML files which you want to be installed every time you perform hard reset or flash a new UC capable ROM.

It is a simple SDConfig.txt:

CAB: \Storage Card\UC\OmapclockKeep_Windows.cab

CAB: \Storage Card\UC\Esmertec Jbed (on SD) Self_Repairable 2008_2_12.cab
CAB: \Storage Card\UC\Esmertec Jbed (on SD) Self Repairable 2009_5_6.cab

RST: Reset

It installs Omapclockkeep and 2 versions of Jbed on my device.

I've made a folder "UC" on my SD card and copied the cab files to it. You can use any path you want.

More information:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=366337
[Desire General] mancuk29:
i have been in search for something to speed up the desire and decided that task managers just **** your phone up .... I was surfing the web the other day for new programs to use and came across a program called "memory boost" ITS SUPERB .... the lite version is free and available on market

the phone since installing is so fast and definately stable ... I upgraded to the full program for $1.99 (click upgrade on the program)

the program keeps your ram at a optimal level ..... it doesnt cause the phone any issues and its remained stable unlike a lot of task managers

the upgrade is via paypal and not the market - I was initally worried but shouldnt have been cos as soon as I paid the link arrived via email at the same time as the paypal confirmation - the download is via pc as you cant do it via your phone

HIGHLY RECOMEND
[Desire General] 554321:
was going to download it and try it, but i seriously can't find 1 decent review

"Probably does work for most people, but just slowed the system"

"It freed mem on myTouch3G but killed some apps I wanted running! Then graph shows the mem is taken back up? Pointless! Not needed!"

"just killed everything, even my Atk manager then want a $1.99 for full version. ...junk"
[Desire General] mancuk29:
it must have been improved since you used it - it really speeds up the system and it hasnt killed anything important ...

as said when i used task killers it screwed my phone up .. touch wood it is running like a well oiled machine
[Desire General] blacque:
Where do I get this?

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[Desire General] leoon:
"the phone since installing is so fast and definately stable"

Does that mean the Desire without this app isnt fast enough and isnt stable (keeps crashing)?
[Desire General] mancuk29:
Search memory boost in market top application

If you like it defo suggest upgrade to pro version which is done via app press menu when in app and follow instructions

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[Desire General] mancuk29:
no it means that it sometimes lags ..... happy with normal speed but a boost is always good !!!

plus task killers makes the phone unstable (what i meant not the desire)
[Desire General] blacque:
i have bought the app...gonna try it out....
[Desire General] ZigmaDK:
This sounds a lot like a commercial from the creator of the program. :)

"Have you always had trouble getting your Desire to run fast? Well, not anymore. Try Ultraboostfastmegasuper optimizer! It will improve your mom."

Sorry if this offends anyone, but someone saying "I really think you should consider buying it" gets my guard up.

By the way. Autokiller does the same and is free ;o)
[Desire General] mancuk29:
Auto killer made my phone unstable. Been using this for a few days had no problems what so ever

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[Desire General] Clivectmob:
You will most probably find its an automatic task killer, seeing as the only way to free up RAM is to actually stop processes from using it, it will be killing tasks in the background rather than letting the user select them via a UI like most do. In my opinion best avoided. I won't be using it, just let Android do what it does, and reboot yer phone every couple of days and all will be well.

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[Desire General] dieselboy:
http://geekfor.me/faq/you-shouldnt-be-using-a-task-killer-with-android/
[Desire General] polystirenman:
Yeah.he is just selling it.i've seen posts like this before.

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[Desire General] andycted:
have the decency of posting it in themes and apps
[Desire General] krohme:
does using apps to kill open processes make the phone unstable?? I've been using advanced task killer for over 1 month and so far my phone is fine, i open it after several hours to find maybe 12 apps open, meaning I would have maybe 40mb or 50mb free.. then after killing all open up it jumps to 150mb free.

If google has designed the phone to handle open apps properly then why does the ram memory get so low??

any info would be great - I like learning new stuff :rolleyes:
[Desire General] sruon:
It doesn't /get so low/

THAT'S THE WAY LINUX WORKS

The percentage of RAM used by the cache doesn't affect in any form or shape the battery or the performance of your phone, since it will be freed when another app needs it.

The only point of Task Killers is to kill background apps that may consume CPU % (but then again, if they're coded the way they're supposed to, it doesn't happen.)

Fitting picture.

http://www.linuxatemyram.com/
[Desire General] foxmeister:
It's an intelligent utilization of resources!

Android will keep stuff in memory whilst it can to improve performance, and will start killing things of itself if resources get too low. Note that just because an app is open and "consuming" memory doesn't mean it is consuming CPU cycles and battery power.

Having loads of free memory is actually just a waste of resources.

Regards,

Dave
[Desire General] Mark One:
Hmm.. no 'fence but sounds a little like a sales pitch to me.

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[Desire General] th3:
I don't use so called cleaners, and their idea's aren't factual. I do use one basic app to kill two very rarely used installed apps which start running at boot without giving an option to disable, since they maintain a CPU wake lock losing me heavy battery-life.

It is also used to kill processes that are running in the background and not emptying their cache, when my storage memory falls to 15MB due to their heavy cache use (occurs rarely), and so when I need to install some app but it won't install giving me the low memory warning (where emptying cache through App Manager in Settings doesn't work).

Last use is for three buggy apps, one being the Chrome browser, which at times takes my memory down to 5% in use, and after throwing it to low priority through the back button because I need to use another app, won't let go of that memory space for other apps and so many apps start crashing including Sense, and others fail to open complaining of low memory, until I manually kill it. The automated kernel management doesn't suffice here and a task manager is useful here.

Other than that, avoid them like most "cleaners" for Windows with a PC. As someone said, maximizing use of available resources like OS memory is an efficient scheme overall.

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[Desire General] krohme:
mate thanks for clarifying ;) what you,

sruon

and others have said makes total sense.. so I'll sit back and allow the device to handle ram memory by itself.
[Desire General] sruon:
Task Killers can prove useful, really, it just needs to be set well or for specific needs like ****ty apps consuming CPU in background. But the RAM part... no changes really.
[Desire General] H00pyFr00d:
Sounds like someone's advertising their own app...
[Desire General] mancuk29:
I hope you don't mean me cos if you do I ain't cos I don't make apps

Iwas trying to give feedback on something which works for my desire and I was letting other users know about the product which this forum is about "sharing ideas". The desire is good but not perfect and its speed does sometimes lag. Ive used HTC phones for years and find no matter what they do need tweaking, as far as I'm concerned this app does what it says and my desire runs perfect with no lags even with live wallpaper.

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[Desire General] foxmeister:
I think the title is a bit misleading here.

Essentially this is still just a task manager, and I'm definitely firmly in the camp that believes that task managers are only useful to kill of errant applications on an ad hoc basis.

Desire is my third Android phone (G1->Hero->Desire), and at the start of my Android journey I did use a task manager. However, on both the Hero and the Desire I've just left Android to manage itself and I have no problems with lag either.

Regards,

Dave
[Desire General] oursoul:
Froyo has its own app manager ;) I'm just gonna wait thanks.
[Android] Johbremat:
Have a rooted image for the Desire which I started to strip apps from, but no matter the combination I seem to get an error (see OP subject) whenever I try to create a Google Account; access Market...

Anyone come across this particular runtime error? I'm having no issues using the kitchen and no errors anywhere else along the way, so it's got me stumped.
[Android] smackdown85146:
Attach a logcat. It'll help debug the problem.
[Android] enjoycool:
How can I submit log?
[XPERIA X10 General] jnd16d:
2.2 is wonderful! X10 can handle it very well!

let's e-mail to SE to express our idea!
[XPERIA X10 General] cmboud:
if the x10 can be rooted, does that mean that we technically would be able to run froyo on it ? 2.2
[XPERIA X10 General] jnd16d:
i hope so .
[XPERIA X10 General] ballubas:
Yeah, i saw some vidoes of 2.2 on youtube and i was left feeling really jealous of the nexus one people that will get it!

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[XPERIA X10 General] jnd16d:
when it comes for my x10 ?
[XPERIA X10 General] naveen_reloaded:
se has promised 2.1 and froyo would take another 4 months ..
[XPERIA X10 General] hoss_n2:
we willnever get it without root
[XPERIA X10 General] hoss_n2:
look at the company that respect their customers http://www.gsmarena.com/all_the_latest_htc_android_phones_will_get_the_froyo_treatment-news-1674.php after only one day of announcement of the new android ,they announced that all their devices will get it before the end of the year ,(ofcource you all know which company iam talking about )
[XPERIA X10 General] meta96:
ok,

froyo looks good, very good.

2.1 in Q2010/4 and 2.2 in Q2011/1 for x10 makes no sense.

That means there are a some reasons why SE could stick to 2.1/Q4:

- SE plans a X10 sucessor for Q4 with froyo (including multitouch)

- google wants to have a clean froyo/hardware base, which could mean all f froyo-devices should have multitouch

- ?

- SE is cool or clever enough (like HTC) and announce 2.2/froyo for all X10 device-classes and cancels the 2.1 update
[XPERIA X10 General] hoss_n2:
from where didi you got your info SE didnot canclled 2.1 never said any thing about 2.2
[XPERIA X10 General] Phantasm4489:
especially since its just been announced that flash will need 2.2 as a minumum.
[XPERIA X10 General] meta96:
problem is, companies are not as stupid as we sometimes thinks. they just make sometimes the wrong desicions.

the x10 has no multi/dualtouch maybe the big screen & dual/multi was (last year) to expensive/not avaible.

To annouce 2.1 two weeks before google I/O is also very stupid, because everyone knows that 2.2 will come at google I/O

... so there must be a reason, maybe a reason SE knows before (e.g. google wants froyo only on multitouch devices, maybe,

look, there is no HTC Legend in the HTC - 2.2 update list) so SE had to announce 2.1 before google I/O . If this is correct we only can hope ...

Second time in my life i have to thank adobe, because flash 10.1 needs 2.2 and this could change everything.

The X10 devices (mini, etc.) and SE cannot survive beside the desire/nexus without flash ... so next week(s), we will see ...