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[Desire General] craigcrawford1988:
Yeah, every time you come out of Airplane mode (to make a call or whatever) your phone will try and sync because it knows it's been "out of the loop".

Just keep data roaming off or delete the APNs.
[Desire General] foxmeister:
Ahem! Vodafone used to have a "reasonably sensible" (and I use that term loosely) data roaming package - you should see Vodafones new data roaming tariffs that come into effect in June!

Regards,

Dave

P.S. GPS in and of itself doesn't use any data, though certain apps that use GPS may consume data themselves. For example. Google Navigation will use data to pull down maps, whereas Copilot uses maps on SD card and thus consumes no data.
[Desire General] Barff1984:
yea it does suck especially since i'm planning on going back to japan for 5 weeks in July. Lol, wont be checking my e-mail half as much.

How do i know if there's an update to my rom? I use the phone to check if there are updates but it always says it's fine. Should i actually check online instead? I know with Winmob it never said there was an update even when there was. I'm kind of hoping android is a bit better for that.

I'll check which rom etc i'm using and see if there's an update.

Ive got a netcounter. However i use task killer a lot because i'm convinced it saves the battery a little. So if i use that, obivously it kills the net counter too.

I'm sure someone is about to say ''you're using android, you don't need a task killer'' however, when i see so many apps running in the background, regardless if people say ''but they're not using memory'', they do. If i kill them all, my phone goes quicker again. So yea it does work.
[Desire General] foxmeister:
Most task killers have an option to exclude certain apps, so if you must insist on using one ( :) ), set it to ignore your net counter.

Regards,

Dave
[Desire General] dzire187:
That just means your operator is not offering an update. You may wish to check out the battery history, it may give you some information about what is draining your battery.

Well, Android is designed to use all the RAM available, which is a good thing - speaking of software design. There is no reason to keep RAM free on a well designed operating system, because once RAM is required, an unused app is ditched in favour of the new one. As this takes virtually no time there is no need to use time and resources to clean up. In fact, task killers use system resources, resulting in battery usage.

Anyway, what you are seeing is bad design in applications, and that is real: Some apps are active, even though they should not be. Either because you do not want them to, or because they do not properly communicate that they will be running in the background, doing stuff all the time. Android adresses the issue by exposing details about battery usage to the user, thus forcing bad developers to choose the defaults for their apps more carefully.

Again, check out *#*#4636#*#* to identify software that is running all the time. Maybe it's something you do not need that is causing your phone to lag and drain the battery...
[Desire General] jamfitz86:
Can't you tell t-mobile to disable internet usage on your account when your in another country?

JAmes.
[Desire General] NutsyUK:
No offense but this isn't anything new data roaming bill have been in the news allot. You really should of known better.... also you should of picked up a pay as you go sum or rolling contract sum for the duration of your trip...

I also hear many counts airports have special visitor sum packages.... you real should of looked into this

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[Desire General] NutsyUK:
Sim damn auto correction.... oh and country

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[Desire General] JDouce:
3 ftw ... pay them 15£ and all ur inclusive allowances work abroad :D
[Desire General] PianoSam:
i know what you mean but...

I went on honeymoon to Italy for 10 days with my wife and my desire.

I am with Vodafone and was charged 5 pounds a day for data. They allow 25mbps for a fiver which I think is reasonable. However my.bill breakdown of data usage was shot to sh*t ...some days showed 24mb others 100+, all I was doing was this website, the BBC, and a beekeeper one. I complained, they checked the bill and gave me 35 quid back. Also another 30 off next months bill too.

Overall my 10 days cost me 50 quid.

Sam
[Desire General] lumpaywk:
This is why when abroad always always get a local sim card if you need calls to come in divert your number its soooo much cheaper.
[Desire General] olly230:
sage words.

sounds like the OP has the desires full suite of syncing going on.

With my old HD I got lost in europe and fired up google maps, it was set to satellite mode and it cost me 5 quid just to find out where I was and that was about 30 seconds usage.

There is a 'data off' app out there. It just kills all data connections until further notice.
[Desire General] foxmeister:
The phone itself has an option to disable data when roaming. Also, in Europe, T-Mobile data won't work at all unless you buy a Euro booster.

Regards,

Dave
[Desire General] foxmeister:
Got a link for that, because I can't find anything about it!

Thanks,

Dave
[Desire General] hermand:
No, nor me. Can't see anything alluding to that on Three

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[Desire General] samsanchez88:
If you are using a task killer, just try and install it for a few days and see what that does for your battery. I'm not completely sure, but as i recall, when you kill and active task, if the phone was using it, it'll just fire it back up wich can cause big battery usage. Also, a task killer is always monitoring your phone wich also eats up the battery so just give it a try, if your battery doesn't get better and you find the phone slow, install it again!!!
[Desire General] Rusty!:
Oh yes it does :)

It's not just GPS, it's AGPS.

Assisted GPS uses a tiny amount of data to assist in getting a lock. Basically it downloads a list of satellite positions so it knows where in the sky to look.
[Desire General] foxmeister:
Did I mention A-GPS? No - I said "GPS in and of itself". ;)

You can have GPS turned on and data off and your GPS will work fine. The fact that it may work slightly better/faster/more efficiently with data turned due to A-GPS on is immaterial.

The point is that if you have product like say Copilot, which has local maps, you can safely use it abroad with data turned off.

Regards,

Dave
[Desire General] micks_address:
not sure if it applies in the UK.. but there's a new EU directive which caps data charges @ 50 euro per month.. my data charge is something like 335 euro this month but my operator have said it will be capped at 50...
[Desire General] foxmeister:
I think you will find that this cap applies to the monetary amount - not the amount of data. Assuming you've not changed your cap, once you hit the 50€ cap, you lose you data connection. See here.

Regards,

Dave
[Desire General] Balos:
Well mine world of advise would be. Just dont be such a moron and you wont have problems with it.

Firstly this has absolute nothing to do with Desire. Secondly I dlike to advise you to look left and right before you cross the street or else you could get run over by a bus driver.
[Desire General] langers1:
Well I did the same, I was in Egypt last week on the bus to Luxor and thought ill quickly dl the google map of the area and turned on the net then disabled it when it was downloaded, for that 1 map segment (no layers) i was charged £25!!!! I didnt realise each map was like 3megs.

Now the reason im with orange, I rang them, and told them what I did and I could not believe that map segment was over 3 megs in size, their response, "Dont worry about it sir we will cancel that charge and just say u didnt realise you left the phone on mobile internet". Now that's why I use Orange, customer satisfaction to the end :)
[Desire General] Barff1984:
I'm sorry....who the **** are you?

keep the insults to yourself!!!
[Desire General] Dunbad:
you sure that one of you friends didn't download "drunken revenge prank" from the market, on YOUR phone! Its had 50 downloads, and at 100 quid a throw its made the developer a cool sum!
[General Questions and Answers] brewhoxs:
Is there any Manila 2D or Manila 3D for WM5.0, please? :o :( :confused:
[General Questions and Answers] brewhoxs:
Is there anyone could help me out, please?
[General Questions and Answers] brewhoxs:
Please help me guys?
[About XDA developers] Sporkman:
this board needs a ignore button badly
[About XDA developers] SamsungGalaxySamsung:
motivate please.
[About XDA developers] svetius:
What do you mean?
[About XDA developers] Sporkman:
sorry i button to ignore users who are total A holes all the time and or like to troll
[About XDA developers] DaveShaw:
Edit ignore list - this any good?
[About XDA developers] crachel:
Hate to bump this thread.. but, I have taken Dave's suggestion. However, its a bit of a process to ignore people: copy paste the name, go into UserCP, edit the ignore list, go find my thread again.

If you could click a user's name and within the existing dropdown an option said "Add user to Ignore List" that would make it much easier to prune the nonsense. Thanks
[About XDA developers] Dr.8820:
this sounds great! plus 1!
[About XDA developers] flyboyovyick:
yeah, that feature would be useful
[Nexus One General] frandavid100:
Hi,

There are are few features that were announced at I/O but I haven't seen so far:

- being able to install apps from the market on your PC.

- being able to buy music on the market.

- being able to stream music from your PC.

Were these features even announced for froyo, or are they scheduled for gingerbread? Do you guys know?
[Nexus One General] iVisionX01:
I say give it a week or two. Maybe Google is still working on getting the features out.
[Nexus One General] bluehaze:
They said "these are some of the things they are working on for the next release" so we likely won't see these fully implemented until Gingerbread.
[Nexus One General] Paul22000:
Those aren't features of FroYo only, but of www.android.com as well which is obviously not yet re-launched.
[Nexus One General] lorin.bute:
Gingerbread features or a mid update. Not in this release for sure. They said that loud and clear in the keynote.
[Nexus One General] frandavid100:
That's what I meant, they depend on the market webpage but is froyo equipped to take advantage of these possible changes in the market? I mean, if it happened tomorrow; would froyo benefit from it?
[Nexus One General] lorin.bute:
Only the first one. The other 2 need an additional software plus an updated music player. I'm sure they wanna get this service up and running as fast as possible and we will probably get an OTA with this in the future. My best guess is that it will happen when the new market web site is released.
[Nexus One General] frandavid100:
Thanks mate, that made it clearer. What about...?

- The application data backup. Is our apps' data being backed up now? Do developers have to change their apps to take advantage of the feature? What if we uninstall an app? Where -and how- does the user notice the feature?

- Searching within the apps' data. Does this mean that the global search will be able to find stuff inside your apps, that is, as if you hit the search button while using an app? Same as you can search something in the music app and the youtube app, even while not using them? If so, again; do developers have to modify their apps to take advantage of this feature? How does the user notice it?
[Nexus One General] tomfreay:
Both of those require developers to use the feature in code

As for the original features, in the keynote they said "something we are working on for beyond Froyo" Which to mean could mean that its for between Froyo and Gingerbread, after all the code needed has all been added in Froyo
[Nexus One General] frandavid100:
So, supposing a developer uses that specific feature in a certain app: would that mean that the app could only be used in 2.2 onwards? Or would older Android versions still be able to run it, albeit not using the feature?

A friend is developing a couple apps and he could use that information :D
[Nexus One General] Vandam500:
Yep. Before every one of these they clearly mentioned it.
[Nexus One General] Ooglez:
I'm wondering the same thing. I'm assuming that since it uses new APIs, that it could only be run on 2.2, but the features just seem not important enough to justify losing a ton of potential users.
[Hero CDMA General] The Jero:
I'm tired of looking at this bloatware!!!:(

I'll donate $20 to the first guy who nails it.

Peace.
[Hero CDMA General] troyboytn:
Be patient grasshopper! It will happen in due time.
[Hero CDMA General] VinceOB:
Why dont you root it if you want it so bad.
[Hero CDMA General] Darkshneider:
Hate to be a ****, but its your own damn fault. Hundreds of times it was posted NOT to update the phone and wait for a ROM based off the official release or wait until root was achieved. Didnt read em? TFB. I hope no one EVER achieves root this time.
[Hero CDMA General] thatguythatdid:
So i got one with root and one thats rooted and I gotta say this yes all these posts whining need to stop. But I do want to say why not? There aren't any roms as fast as this right now and everytime that there is a good one it gets ****ed up or forgotten before its done. The only thing that has any hope is the froyo thing right now because all the devs are working on it together.
[Hero CDMA General] Powers16:
I hate to admit it but I agree one hundred percent with dark shnieder. A million times we all said dont install the new signed 2.1 releAse and this shows that ignorance is the downfall for those who do not listen. Do yourselfs a favor all u ppl who installed stock 2.1... when the community tells you not to do something don't ****ing do it. Now deal with your ignorance until 2.1 is rooted.
[Hero CDMA General] chfields:
I don't care one way or the other, I've had working 2.1 for months and I am very happy with it. If you were dumb enough to flash a ROM without researching it first, you get what you deserve. I've been running damages ROM's since they came out and have had little to no issues. I am currently running 2.08.1 and have no problems at all. So, if they come out with another update to DC or not, I'm am very happy with the ROM I have.
[Hero CDMA General] Darkshneider:
Hell, Ive been running ports of Android versions since Donut started to get ported (it wasnt a daily for me since I couldnt get SMS working) then played around with early 2.1 builds. I can say I was one of the few that actually saw all these 2.1 ROMs evolve from pretty basic stuff, kinda like what Froyo is right now.

I learned my lesson back with the PSP: "do not update to the latest and greatest if you know the community will come up with better stuff in days if not hours of that release".
[Hero CDMA General] Chaid:
Not everyone flashed the 2.1 RUU. I took my phone in for service and it was deemed hardware failure. They gave me a brand new phone and installed 2.1 on it without asking me if I wanted it. I asked for another phone with 1.5 and they said no LOL. So I am stuck with 2.1 stock until someone figures out how to root it. And I can't wait, because some of the ROMs I have been reading about sound real nice.
[Hero CDMA General] chfields:
Anyone who runs windows should have learned to NEVER update without research. I learned that one the hard way when automatic updates fubar'd my windows. Never let it update without research since......................
[Hero CDMA General] Darkshneider:
Lol, Ive never had any problems with Windows, Im a black belt 3rd dan in Google Fu.
[Hero CDMA General] treyrey86:
I too had a problem with my phone and took it in to sprint repair center....they updated it to 2.1 and didnt ask me and told me the problem was fixed.....but i want to root my phone again...is it possible for me to flash the leaked version of 2.1 and root that one or has nobody found a root to that one yet?
[Hero CDMA General] abcdfv:
So $20 to me and $20 to Regaw, or $10 each?

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[Hero CDMA General] thatguythatdid:
So you guys finally did it?
[Hero CDMA General] The Jero:
I didn't update. My phone was stolen last week & the replacement I got on Saturday already had 2.1 installed.

So who's the **** now, ****?

:rolleyes:
[Hero CDMA General] Darkshneider:
I said "hate to be a ****", implying that I was actually being one... /end
[Hero CDMA General] Powers16:
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[Hero CDMA General] abcdfv:
We're getting close.

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[Hero CDMA General] Powers16:
I would wait on the root and keep it private until froyo gets released, the rooting process you guys do come up with might get heard by the wrong person and they could patch it in froyo. this is a common practice when it comes to hacking devices that i have seen, once exploits are found generally the dev waits for the next update that way it can be rooted as well. Just my opinion...
[Hero CDMA General] Darkshneider:
Usually, root is device specific (I think). If Google releases Froyo after our "2.1 root", it most likely wont be patched since the Hero is not on the list to get that upgrade.
[Hero CDMA General] abcdfv:
Froyo probably isn't coming soon, if at all.

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[Hero CDMA General] regaw_leinad:
by close, abcdfv doesn't mean close... lol

We thought we had something last night, but the exploit doesn't return from the shell to the console without hanging, and there is no way for me to write my script and make it run when it hangs on the first exit.... So... back to the drawing board.

Don't want to get your hopes up to quickly. We will definitely keep you updated, but with honest and true results of our testing.

I would like root back as much as you guys do. I have RegawMOD to continue to keep up.. Maybe I'll just let that go for a while.

I may make a thread for me to post our progress on the Rooting. The original [Root Status] thread is getting a little crowded.
[Hero CDMA General] abcdfv:
when I posted it last night, we were close :p
[Hero CDMA General] gab2012:
Thanks for your time into this,Also I will donate to each dev that makes this possible,Stupid sprint installed 2.1 and I've only had my hero for 3 days(recently purchased)

Right now I'm using my wife's g1 as my wifi internet connection for my pc but once she leaves for work I'm stuck offline :(

I would really love root on the hero 2.1 just so I can have internet @ home :)

devs let us know as soon as you finish this and please put your names in the creds :D
[Hero CDMA General] The Jero:
I got the $$$ sitting right here fellas...
[Hero CDMA General] jerseydvd:
Senior member or just Senior ****?

No reason to be an asshole buddy.
[Hero CDMA General] athanos:
For those of you screaming for root, be patient. Many people are working around the clock to get it done. Some of them working 12-14 hours straight and maintaining their normal daily lives working 40 hours a week. I for one appreciate all of the hard work and will wait patiently for it.

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[Hero CDMA General] pseudoremora:
I'll say Senior Member. Darkshneider is right. Many people advised not to update to the official 2.1 ROM until a root fix was posted, however people were hasty and decided against that and updated anyways; expecting a root fix right away and now they're becoming impatient.

The turn around time for a lot of our fixes are usually fast, but that doesn't mean that people should jump the gun and expect the Dev's to have fixes right away. It takes a lot of work and hard work at time. I'm not saying that you or anyone else isn't grateful -- but that people should read and do a little research before making such rash decisions and then coming back and expecting something to be done about it.

Quick frankly; being an "asshole" hopefully drives the message home.
[Hero CDMA General] jonnythan:
People are getting replacement/refurb phones with 2.1 already installed.
[Hero CDMA General] tejasrichard:
Right, bro, but not everyone with native 2.1 flashed the RUU. I'm headed to sprint to pick up a replacement for the phone I lost in a carwreck over the weekend, and I'm PRAYING I get one that still has 1.5 on it, and can talk them out of ruuing 2.1 before they give it to me. (thanks to KC for the suggestion about needing fully working bluetooth. hopefully that will work)

edit: was typing when the reply above mine posted
[Hero CDMA General] looneylu:
just a shot in the dark... I think you should insist that you paid for 1.5 and never wanted 2.1 to begin with. Tell them you bought a 1.5 phone and if they can't provide you with your phone see if they'll give you credit towards a new phone (i.e. Evo 4g)... I did this when I had the palm treo
[Hero CDMA General] tejasrichard:
Well, we'll see what happens. They wouldn't do an instore replacement, so it is being mailed out by assurian to my house. Hopefully, they have such a large stockpile of refurbs, that they haven't had time to flash them all to 2.1 yet!
[Hero CDMA General] dwertz:
Worse case, I am sure June come around the corner plenty of rooted heros will be on the market for sale.
[Hero CDMA General] rmaxson29:
More than likely, EVO may be the way to go.