yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] pupakota:
hahaha, i love that visualized despair(NO, it is not possible). been a days...

cotulla, where are you?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] domineus:
is it possible that they are also reg and .dll dependent? it could be one reason why the .exes may not be working...just a thought but as far as compatibility with leo I'm like you and nothing runs =(

As for the possibility...hum good possibility. I guess we can wait a few days or someone can ask tom if they have a better relationship with him to see if he can help...even though he used jtag flash he should be able to help on some rudimentary stuff like this
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] mightymn:
Well yes it's possible. Drivers are actually dll files too, and yes most exes have necessary dll files.

But the interesting part is that these exe files don't give errors such as "not a valid pocket pc app" or sth like that. I think they may actually be compatible...
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] domineus:
what about dependency

are the base files possibly using the silverlight bs microsoft is trying to push toward developers?

I mean if they are running it may not be .net related problems but silverlight...saying that they work (because I only tried one because sd card reformat =/) is interesting...I wonder if the kernel code...

hum why did this happen when I have school and acupuncture today!? GAH! I want to investigate it further
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] imfloflo:
Have someone try to copy all files on the root of his current phone and launch some exe ?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] derliebewolf:
will do that later.

And regarding silverlight: there is plety of mention of silverlight in all those xml/provxml and rgu files. So yes, this could be the reason fot these exe's not dooing anything...

EDIT: here is the link to all exe files contained in the dump of the imgfs http://www.multiupload.com/8NH1RDHXWT
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] sonixwarrior:
Visual Studio

The Visual Studio Debugging Toils could be of certain use in clearylifying the execution of such a progran.You may want connect the device and start vs, create a ppc app that starts the potential wm7 app via a process launch, set an appropriate breakpoint, step into and watch out what happens. If the executable from the wm7 is CIL, you may disassemble it with ildasm, create some breakpoint entries and reassemble it. And then, just see whats going on.I doubt nicrosoft has changed so much on their architecture (exceptions, and so on). good luck.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] domineus:
thought as much...I'll try to do this during my first class...ugh I am making the worst clinical psych student ever!!!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] AndrewSh:
Don't waste your time.... It would not work. Guess, why..... :)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] HD2Owner:
is anyone already working on a hardspl based on wp7-spl?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] domineus:
hspl that fast!?

no one has vocally said it in the thread heck it hasn't even been asked yet good question nonetheless...
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] HD2Owner:
we now have a official wp7-spl by htc..........

olipro/cmonex should take a look at it asap...

we need this to test cooked wp7-roms..
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] domineus:
hum good point

I'm still trying to get in contact with tom though no success on my end...I mean it looks like he's went through some of the issues we have...so barring the fact of it being real (which I think) he should be able to help tremendously
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] HD2Owner:
i just wrote olipro, bepe and cotulla a P.M.

just in case they didn't saw the progress and the leaked rom..
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] xmoo:
I've contacted them several times regarding CID/Security unlocker... Nothing back, so hope you have more luck.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] domineus:
dang let's hope there is progress made but in the meantime its more analyzing the dump on my end which so far no exes have worked (also not surprised) but still very exciting
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] RustyGrom:
Native apps use a variant of WPF for their UI.

.net apps use Silverlight or XNA.

Yes, WP7 will use a variety of sources for positioning, including WiFi. MS has stated so themselves. The GPS APIs handle all of this for the developer in the background.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] vangrieg:
How do you know? The leaked docs on OS architecture showed some way of interoperability between native code and Silverlight, as far as I remember.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] RustyGrom:
That's what all the references to "UX" are. It's their native code silverlight-like implementation. It's what all those XAML files are doing associated with native code apps. The managed/Silverlight implementation probably leverages most of the same UX libraries that they're using in their native code for the main bits of the OS. That's where that "interoperability" comes into play and allows for the same look and feel across both (their) native and (our) managed code. Silverlight specifically refers to managed code whereas "UX"/WPF (not sure what's the official term) is it's native equivalent.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] HD2Owner:
this is also intresting (sdcards):

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\StorageManager\Profiles\MSFlash]
"DriverPath"="Drivers\\BuiltIn\\MSFlash"
"LoadFlags"=dword:1
"BootPhase"=dword:1
"PartitionDriver"="flashpart.dll"
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\StorageManager]
"Dll"="fsdmgr.dll"
"PNPUnloadDelay"=dword:BB8
"PnPWaitIoDelay"=dword:1770
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\StorageManager\FATFS]
"CacheSize"=dword:400
"FatCacheSize"=dword:400
"DataCacheSize"=dword:400
"EnableCache"=dword:1
[COLOR="Red"][HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\StorageManager\Profiles\MSFlash\IMGFS]
"MountHidden"=dword:1
"MountAsROM"=dword:1
"XIP"=dword:0
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\StorageManager\Profiles\MSFlash\FATFS]
"MountAsBootable"=dword:1
"MountAsRoot"=dword:1
"Flags"=dword:00000014
"FormatTFAT"=dword:1
"EnableWriteBack"=dword:1
"CheckForFormat"=dword:1[/COLOR]
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\StorageManager\Profiles\MSFlash\FATFS\Filters\CacheFilt]
"FileCacheWriteBackTimeout"=dword:0
"FileCacheWriteBackPriority256"=dword:255
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\StorageManager\Profiles\SDMemory\FATFS]
"EnableWriteBack"=dword:1

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\BuiltIn\SDHC]
"Order"=dword:0d
"Flags"=dword:02
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\BuiltIn\SDHC]
"Dll"="msm7x00_sdhc.dll"
"BusRequestTimeOut"=dword:EA60 ;60 secs
"Prefix"="SHC"
"Flags"=dword:1000
[COLOR="Red"] "CardInsertedState"=dword:0 ; logical 0 means a card is inserted
"CardWriteProtectedState"=dword:1 ; logical 1 means the card is write [/COLOR]protected
"DTOTimeout"=dword:5F5E10 ; Data timeout in bus clocks
"SlotPriority"=dword:65 ; Priority for SLOT IST Changed from 0x97 to 0x71. Threads priorities correction.
"CardDetectPriority"=dword:90 ; Priority for Card Detect IST Changed from 0x98 to 0x90. Threads priorities correction.
"WakeupSources"=dword:0 ; 0 - no wakeup, 1 - wakeup on SDIO, 2 - wakeup on card detect, 3 - wakeup on both
"DMABufferSizeSlot1"=dword:10000 ; 64KB - allocated via PMEM - double check before increasing!
"DMABufferSizeSlot2"=dword:10000 ; 64KB - allocated via PMEM - double check before increasing!
"DMABufferSizeSlot3"=dword:10000 ; 0KB - not used
"DMABufferSizeSlot4"=dword:10000 ; 64KB - allocated via PMEM - double check before increasing!
"LoadOrderSlot1"=dword:1
"LoadOrderSlot2"=dword:2
"LoadOrderSlot3"=dword:3
"LoadOrderSlot4"=dword:4
"CDPollingInterval"=dword:FFFFFFFF ; Do not poll
"IClass"=multi_sz:"{8DD679CE-8AB4-43c8-A14A-EA4963FAA715}"
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] domineus:
so there is code that not only provisions for microsd use but also pulling data...good to know but are actual sources being moved to the microsd card as once thought
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] RustyGrom:
I really don't understand what the fascination is with MicroSD cards on WP7.

Yes, WP7 supports MicroSD.

No, WP7 will not allow uses to remove/upgrade them (easily at least, it will probably be possible for us to do).

MicroSD (if the manufacturer chooses to use it) will be utilized just like embedded storage.

The fact that there's plenty of references to MicroSD in the OS means nothing. I believe many of these were even in the emulator image (can't check it now).
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] vangrieg:
Ah, I see. WP7 development docs described an "Interop Framework" where SL-based managed applications communicate with native components via some "COM bridge".
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] domineus:
I'm absolutely sure they were in the images of the betas for pc I think some threads around here indicate that
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] HD2Owner:
the intresting thing would be to make it removable like in 6.5.X.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] tids2k:
bro ask cmonex then .. she is usually in htc-linux on irc. hope that helps ..
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] RustyGrom:
Well of course. But references to the OS supporting it in the registry doesn't mean anything. The OS itself supports it but it will go into a locked down mode where you can only make emergency calls. I don't see Microsoft changing their stance on this in the near term.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] domineus:
but wouldn't we be able to change that even if microsoft wouldn't be able to?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] vangrieg:
WP7 combines the SD card with the flash memory and creates the unified storage, so I don't see how you'll be able to do that. If you limit the unified storage to whatever is available internally it'll render your phone pretty much useless.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] LongZheng:
I wrote about this from MIX10. Native apps do not use Silverlight. It could be "Iris"/UIX, an internal variation of WPF/Silverlight that uses a XAML-like markup.

http://www.istartedsomething.com/20...windows-phone-7-series-not-silverlight-based/
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] tighoor:
link not work
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] jinishans:
Windows Phone 7 Series Programming Mode

Hi All

Not sure, this blog post might be of some help, from a M$ person working on WP7 .net framework, XNA, etc.

URL: umm, im not able to mention the URL, as the form doen't allow me, seems some moderator need to verify my a/c

Regards

jinishans
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] lagbaja:
hi tighoor, try again, the link works
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] vangrieg:
OK, so Microsoft is using a model that's different from what it provides to OEMs then.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] JesusFreak316:
Hopefully the Rockbox alternative firmware will eventually be ported as an app. It is essentially everything an audiophile would want. They are working on it http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/RockboxAsAnApplication2010.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Ganondolf:
I believe that OEMs will put micro sd cards into handsets as a cheap alternative to internal flash chips. But people seem to think that they will have access to these cards but they wont.

OEMs will put the micro sd card internally into the handset like Sony Ericsson did with the xperia Pureness, The only way to get to it is to open the handset up which very few people will be willing to do just to add more storage.

I also believe that most OEMs will put 16gb in there handsets (8gb in the cheap one) so theres no point in adding more.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] jan-willem3:
Btw evrybody think the device QSD 8650 is gonna run 1.3 GHZ looks like it is not true.

Right from qualcomm website

So big chance we got lucky and drivers of modrian work will work with hd2 :D

But I am still confused some sites say 1.3 ghz but if you see this.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] HD2Owner:
saw this too on the qualcomm page.

let's hope the other hardware (original rom device) is not too different.

patiently waiting for further statements from da_g and tom_codon.....

hardspl-development hints by da_g:
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] mightymn:
AFAIK QSD8650A and 8650B are actually different from the the ones without the A and B. The former are newer versions with smaller technology (45 nm) and therefore better efficiency and clock rates.

The names found here were 8650A and B.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] HD2Owner:
same architecture but smaller technology/die-size/power-consumption.

you can also swap your c2d-45nm out for a c2d-65nm.

same architecture and pin-compatibility afaik. it's only software dependant.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] mitchR@pp:
Correct

http://www.qualcomm.com/news/releas...atform-45nm-chipset-smarter-smartphones-and-s
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] HD2Owner:
the zuneHD got hacked a while ago..

who did it? Maybe he can help with wp7-hspl-development..
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] RustyGrom:
asked to remove
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] ThaDeanesta:
it looks as if

It looks as if there are some regs for a resistive touch screen? It could be the underlying old code, or it could be for "windows phone 7 classic". I think we have something nice upon us :)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] mightymn:
In fact, Zune HD isn't touched at all. The developer tools are hacked to allow restricted APIs. And zune HD runs everything you deploy on it through XNA.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] irdawood:
Just wondering if a Dev could tell us in laymens terms where the project/current status of the port is at and what remains?

Thanks
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] HD2Owner:
afaik we need a wp7-hd2-hspl....

i wrote a p.m. to every hspl-dev i know yesterday (bepe, olipro, cmonex and cotulla).

none of them answered till now. i don't even know if they saw the leak...
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] irdawood:
Is that all we are waiting for? so once we have the HSPL for lets say the HD2 we can start flashing?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] HD2Owner:
we need at least a sspl to start testing and experimenting....

there are other problems... CID-lock.... device-dependant not reloc-able modules etc...

btw: did anyone actually flash this rom in it's raw nbh-state (DONT TRY THIS!!; should end up in a bricked device)?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] young blade:
That looks like a fake photoshop..

(my first post in this tread)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] AndrewSh:
You guys are really funny

Simple example:

coredll.dll:
V=40660000 SLOT: N/A
D=406F4000

What now? Who can even define the slot?.....
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] HD2Owner:
ether a really talented render/photoshop artist or the real deal.

i like the style of this image and it has the typical new-htc-look...

if i had to design the first htc-wp7-device it would look pretty close to this...
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Casey_boy:
I think it's a fake, my reasons are two fold;

1. The black spacing at the top of the screen is too big. HTC wouldn't put this image out like that.

2. The people tile has been replaced with IE and I'm pretty sure OEMs are not allowed to remove or even move the four (phone/people/sms/email) main tiles.

Casey
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] the-hq:
Where did you come up with #2?

Have you ever run the emulator? You can move the tiles around as much as you want to
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] renegadEEE:
Yes, someone tried to flash it but the process didn't really start, it stopped at 1%. It didnt brick his device tho.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] slayerns:
talented? you should check that picture again
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] HD2Owner:
not anyone has the same taste.........

i kinda like it but i hope it looks more like the picture in oemavatar.cab...

please discuss the pics HERE

mondrian pics
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] fadimo305:
well lets just say if i got this rom(RAWNBH) running on my TP2??what would be our next step??like what would we have to do next in order for other phones to use the rom
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] HD2Owner:
this was just a question not really linked to development.

just for our information.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] 3-R4Z0R:
Don't even think about what to do after you've made something that may not even be possible. Just try the first one first and then think about what might be necessary next.

All in all, this seems very interesting. I'll keep on lurking here, learning about WinCE and all. Unfortunately I don't know that much about how mobile phones handle their boot-process, otherwise I might have been able to help out a bit.

But what I've come to believe is, that WP7 is still very much WinCE, which means that programs compiled for WM6 should still work on WP7 and WP7 programs might work on WM6. What's a major problem is that the dependencies can't be set up in WM6 so that the supplied programs (those in the leaked ROM) can work. I wonder what might be possible to do here...
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] domineus:
but ce is the basis of all windows mobile

at the very least we just don't know about ce7 =(
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Casey_boy:
I have ran the emulator and I know we can move the tiles but OEMs are forbidden to move them:

From the Customization guide given to OEMs- here.

Casey
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] fadimo305:
From all i read in this discussion i think that the main problem is(Probably) decrypting the ROM and trying to bea able to change it in order for it to meet your needs and specifications.correct me if im wrong but is that the problem??
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] HD2Owner:
the remaining problems are (correct me if i'm wrong or if i forgot something):

-properly sorting the dump (compared wm6.1/6.5/6.5.X-roms, parts of the "structure" (for example XIP) are different; possible)

-relocate modules (this is the really ugly "don't know if it's even possible"-part)

-driver compatibility (to hd2; good chances)

-wp7-hd2-hspl (this can be done by bepe and/or other hspl devs)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] pkoper:
What do you mean with sorting the dump?

package tool works fine ion the dump.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] domineus:
under wp7 and hd2 is compatibility we know tom has indicated it is compatible but slow...question is how to get it to run effectively
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] HD2Owner:
partially. but the real folder-/file-structure for vk has yet to be seen...

i tried to sort it myself but at some point i was just scratching my head... maybe da_g can help..
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] ND4SPD:
I don't mean to deride the on-going efforts, but if you're trying to port this to the HD2 - here's some things you're going to need to take into account:

You can't just use the Mondrian XIP - even with a similar processor and specs, you can't expect memory boundaries to be similar - e.g. Touch Pro2, Diamond2 share most of the same internals yet if you were to flash a rom without porting, you would not go past the bootloader. If you've ported a XIP manually, you definitely know this :D

Drivers!! The HD2's drivers are compiled against the CE5.2 kernel. In the past, this wouldn't have been a problem. However, since MS has changed the driver model with CE6 and CE7, drivers need to be rewritten and compiled against CE7. Unless you have access to HTC's Board Support Package for the HD2 or you are willing to reverse engineer everything, there's a problem.

Kernel and Bootloader - Somewhat related to the drivers, you'll need these 2 very important parts compiled against WP7. The kernel layout has changed and the bootloader needs to work with WP7 (the current one will not)

This is somewhat more trivial - you can't flash a WP7 ROM to the current bootloader. To even write over the old bootloader, you'll need create a JTAG interface to the device and flash via it.

there are some other technical aspects that I've missed or forgotten. But trust me that there are others as well :P
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] HD2Owner:
thanks for the infos.

i'm not really a "developer" (only cooking x1-/hd2-roms).
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] ND4SPD:
no problem. it wasn't aimed at you, btw - just general info for everyone :)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] timshady337:
HD2 help

i have a tmous HD2 That i'm willing to test whatever rom, hspl or program a senior member or mod needs testing. i'm willing to risk my HD2 for the good of xda as a whole.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] domineus:
you can always donate to da_g
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] cillkupid:
.cab vs. .xap

is anyone else confused by the fact that this info got found in a .cab file when it's been stated that these will be replaced by .xap files? I'm curious why this would even be in a WinPho7 ROM.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] kltye:
XAP files are how Silverlight apps get distributed - it's a compressed file containing assemblies, XAML resources, etc for the Silverlight application to run. CAB is just Microsoft's favourite way of distributing all other sorts of CE packages.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] silentP:
You can open & extract the contents of xap with winrar
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] lkwjason:
Thanks the guy from China,the same as me!!!!!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] ankur1234:
Smart Thought but wrong question

So being my first question in the whole topic hopefully i dont get shut down, but thinking logically

If there was a way to try and flash this rom on any qualified phone there should be some sort of log (one would think so) which should be generated. Is there some thing like that, if so when flashing the raw ROM on to a phone what behaviour does it display.

Every one says "dont do it, It will brick your phone" and I totally respect the idea of not wanting to brick my phone but how many people have actually tried it, if they tried it is it the drivers which is stopping the load process.

Is there a step my step guide for a novice like me who has an extra HD2 laying around to try some things and help contribute towards a constructive goal.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Dust2Dust:
WM 6.5 can be used on a Magician... It's a miracle-device. As a matter of fact I have a brand new Qtek s100 around for back-up. And yes it is running wm 6.5. With manila :-)

So you'll never know ;-)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] pkoper:
I don't understand what difference this would make.

The VK structure is not relevant at all. It just makes playing around easier.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] lemonspeakers:
this would be great. you should get in contact with da_g or someone!@
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Nokser:
Hi l2tp

Please, give this in file .bin

thanks
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] ceesheim:
Don't try to flash

you can not flash that rom because the wp7 rom is stored on a other location in the memory and the dev's don't know at this point where it is stored .

that mean you need a new hspl and sspl and drivers that support the hd2 (and the drivers are not made , so we think , only HTC knows that )

so in other words

it isn't possible to flash that rom on any existing phone at this time (only the MONDRIAN )
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] pupakota:
i like RARE cases of realistic posts here.

this should be cit'ed in first post, bolded.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] AndrewSh:
Nokser, I'm not l2tp, but I told you already - it's no way to build xip.bin for now - no-one has reloc table and proper tools. Wasn't it enough? Or you still suspect that some evil rom-chiefs are hiding working WP7 from you?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Nokser:
Well ...

But I wanted to work on the relocation, etc.