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[Desire General] awf:
Login via your Google account via appbrains app then search via the app or the link http://www.appbrain.com/ via your PC...

Choose install in the web browser for example and via the app on the phone choose manage and sync :D

@ OP yes hope for 2.2 or in other words Froyo will have it, but curious how fast HTC will get us an update :(

What I personally use to manage the ridiculous small app memory space I use the app "Quick app" to cleanup cache space.
[Desire General] th3:
Re: Oh boy.

This is completely driving me nuts now. Every single day the same issue. At first it only triggered below 8mb free but now its become a joke. Same error even at 17mb free and can't install anything.

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[Desire General] Cleargrey:
I feel you. I just uninstalled a few, reinstalled G Earth, have 15.something MB left, and no notification. Maybe it needs to drop below 15 or get to 12.

Either way....

FRO-YO! FRO-YO! FRO-YO!
[Desire General] Jon_010:
Re: Oh boy. "Phone storage space is getting low." Google, please sort it out.

I don't get how you've run out of space... I've got 87 apps installed on my phone (counted every icon on the pop up full program list) and still got 47MB's left...

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[Desire General] setspeed:
A quick count up shows that 37 of those icons are pre-installed anyway, so you've not got quite so many apps as you think.

Add in a satnav and 8 or 9 games like me, and you will find yourself at the limit very quickly :-(
[Desire General] Jon_010:
Yeah I understand that a lot are pre-installed, but that still leaves 50 apps installed. I've not got sat nav installed (use google maps navigation) but i've got 20 games installed (nothing major like a big 3d game).

Does the sat nav install its self to the phone? Guess that would take up a lot of room...
[Desire General] cosmicharade:
What's the best way to clean out the phone cache etc. I found Quick Cache Cleaner that got me a few MB back from the browser.
[Desire General] setspeed:
My Navigon is about 5.6mb in size, the UK map would barely fit on the phone memory on its own with no other apps installed, but luckily it puts that on the SDcard. The games I have vary in size from 2mb to about 5mb - still not exactly huge :-(
[Desire General] th3:
Re: Oh boy. "Phone storage space is getting low." Google, please sort it out.

I sadly found out the culprit was app installations and updates. They weren't taking up the space taken after a fresh install with settings configured but usually 2-3* as much. Uninstalling the apps then reinstalling with all the original data and settings gave me a temporary fix. I now have 33MB free with all the same apps installed compared to the 15MB before I started uninstalling.

Secondly, the internet, streetview and market apps have quite abysmal management - they take up many MB in cache whenever they open without you even knowing and without giving explicit options to empty it on exit nor doing this automatedly.

This is just disheartening and a PITA.

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[Desire General] 554321:
you guys should be looking at the bright side, Android 2.2 (Froyo) will be announced by google at their I/O on the 19th of May, which is few days away.

Apart from Froyo having upto 450% the speed of 2.1, it also supports storing apps in your memory for the very first time! so the problem is solved.

The only downside is the waiting game, nexus will be the first to have the update not because its google's phone, but because it has the google UI, unlike HTC Desire, we have Sense UI, so it will take some time for HTC to make Sense compatible with Froyo.

I hope we don't wait as long as the guys waited for 2.1 on HTC Hero.
[Desire General] cosmicharade:
Don't underestimate the collective power of geeks. After the announcement if we all write to HTC we will see faster progress, with enough of us.
[Desire General] Cleargrey:
Indeed I have just found out, not really by trying, that 15MB is the limit to the low memory warning (and subsequent no Gmail or GTalk).

Wednesday will be very interesting for many people. And for certain people especially. Those people being the owners of the Desire, Legend, Incredible, EVO, in the HTC camp anyway. Reason being, after all the false starts and delays of other manufacturer upgrading to 2.1, we'll get to see how long it takes some of the newest hardware to get upgraded. And we'll also see if this romoured goal of making it easier for manufacturers to update the software will come to pass.

I really hope wednesday is the start of something great. (Not that Android wasn't the start of something great anyway!!!)
[Desire General] cosmicharade:
Wednesday what time and timezone?
[Desire General] Cleargrey:
Google I/O Event.

Click on the Agenda on the left. I'm guessing the good stuff comes out in the Keynote address at 09.00 in San Francisco.
[Desire General] apprentice:
One superb feature of Android (as opposed to WinMo) is the ease of which you can uninstall/re-install apps. This was a painful process on WinMo.

Any games I have, I just install when I want to play, then I uninstall. I use the App Manager in Astro file manager to do this and it just takes seconds. I can have as many games as I want this way. Games are heavy on memory but if you want to keep scores or game data then you could always try this method with large apps that don't have any significant settings or have a settings backup feature.

It's a workaround until Android 2.2 at least.
[Desire General] Cleargrey:
Good point. Google Earth comes off and on as needed.
[Desire General] cosmicharade:
I am slowly going insane. I can't wait until around December or whenever HTC get their act together on a Froyo release. Has anyone considered root? What are your concerns with rooting?
[Desire General] EroThraX:
Random USB Bricking of the device, it could happen to anyone who roots seemingly no known cause yet.
[Desire General] cosmicharade:
And there are the risks with rooting. So... we can risk ruining our device and voiding warranty, or risk our sanity banging against this microscopic application memory space every day. Smart move Google and HTC, way to really grow the Android market. I wonder how much revenue has been lost to developers because of this.
[Desire General] cosmicharade:
Just getting script monkeys at HTC at the moment - they keep repeating the 'clean your cache' line.
[Desire General] ediflyer:
I'm getting the low storage space warning almost daily just now and end up having to uninstall apps only to then have to remove more a few days later.

According to App Cache Checker I've now got 16.04MB free/148MB, with zero usage by cache for any apps.

According to AppBrain I have 53 apps installed, taking up 42MB by their calculation.

So my question is - where's all my storage gone?! (about 85MB of it is missing!) I know the onboard apps must take up a bit (although 7.57MB for contact storage and 6.23MB for calendar storage seems pretty big). Maps has zero cache, 1.25MB data. Docs2Go is the biggest app at 8.05MB (yet AppBrain is only quoting it at 3574KB).

Does anyone have any thoughts? Obviously the new Apps2SD function in Froyo will be great once released, but I'm a bit concerned that I've so little space left just now when I've not got THAT many apps installed?!
[Desire General] ediflyer:
Arghh - I've now just uninstalled another app and my storage space has dropped further! Now at 8% (13MB) free!! At this rate I'll have almost nothing installed and still be running out of space!
[Desire General] th3:
Re: Oh boy. "Phone storage space is getting low." Google, please sort it out.

Just some notes;

AppBrain reports the installed initial APK size. After installation the program size will be bigger and after a few uses, even bigger (with empty cache). Some apps don't report the correct used size. You'll only learn their real usage upon uninstalling.

Do any of you use Mail or GMail on the phone often? I recouped 47MB from that by overlooking something simple but annoying. When it downloaded mail with images and attachments I couldn't see, as well as spam, deleting them did not really delete them from the phone. I had to switch folders and delete them again from the Trash folder where they had all accumulated. Tedious when you have 11 accounts to manage but it freed up big lumps of space.

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[Desire General] ediflyer:
Thanks th3 - some interesting bits of info.

I hadn't realised the issue about downloaded vs installed file size - I guess that would certainly account for a bit of the increase (perhaps up to 50MB or so?).

On the Gmail and Mail front - I use both of these. However 'Gmail storage' is showing as 0.95MB (I only sync 4 days worth of a few different labels). Trash is emptied pretty regularly. I can't find out where the HTC Mail app stores its data though - anyone know? (I can only find a Mail app at 2.82MB with no cached data).

Is there any other way to try and work out where all this storage space is being used up?

Ta :)
[Desire General] supasye:
my phone had 21mb, i restarted it went to 14mb, stayed like that for a while, had to restart it one day i took the battery out, back in, and when i started the phone i had 31mb.........

whats that about?
[Desire General] shane20:
What were they thinking making apps only on the phone and not on the SDcard?

Did they really think with the growing Android market that people won't need more space for applications??
[Desire General] foxmeister:
People are far too quick to blame this on the OS, when the real problem is the hardware. The original reason that Google didn't allow apps on the SD card is that it makes it far too easy to copy protected apps.

If the phone manufacturers had built the phones with more internal memory, this wouldn't be an issue at all.

Regards,

Dave
[Desire General] cosmicharade:
It's fixed in Froyo, but now we have the PAINFUL wait for this to trickle down to our devices! Could be MONTHS. I agree, this is INSANE. I'm just sick to death of the low memory warnings (HTC are you hearing me???)
[Desire General] th3:
Re: Oh boy. "Phone storage space is getting low." Google, please sort it out.

The app "Quick App Clean Cache" made the painful ride until now quite easy for me :p

Otherwise I would be running into managing apps waiting 2mins for it to load each time a dozen times a day. No one wants to do that.

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[Desire General] poldie:
There are issues related to this which you've probably not thought of. Even with 2.2 apps have to be reworked to include `install to sd` as an option - you can't just install/move all your current apps there. And there are restrictions on what can be moved, functionality etc.
[Desire General] cosmicharade:
Great.. So it's not all fixed then. What sort of restrictions? Is it a big process for apps to be rewritten? I thought it was just one line in the 'manifest' for each app that had to be changed and that's it?
[Desire General] geccco:
Today I removed a couple of apps since the low storage-message popped up. After i removed them, the phone had 16,27MB free space. After that i left the phone on the table for some time, and when i got back the message was there again, and the storage space was down to 14,72MB. What is going on? What is taking up space when the phone is not in use? :confused:
[Desire General] LBTaylor1984:
I too noticed the memory mysteriously going down. the othe thing i've noticed is the memory rarely returns if I uninstall an app?

with no access to the phones internal memory I can't do some spring cleaning myself, which is annoying.
[Desire General] jonneymendoza:
i too am having this same issue. had to delete google earth even though before i did i had 13mb left yet still got the low in storage error
[Desire General] cosmicharade:
Ho hum just sick of this BS. I think Nexus Froyo is being released next week so there may be hope for us after that. Even a few apps moved off to SD will be a great start.
[Desire General] Ghisy:
The worst part is when I get the low storage warning, I cannot download anything from the Market. This is REALLY annoying!

I'm really starting to consider rooting and Apps2SD+ but I'm still on the fence. I'm such a newbie at rooting so I don't wanna brick my phone.
[Desire General] Elemetrix:
With a rooted phone using Apps2SD is there any way to see where Phone Storage is being used?

I have many apps installed right now and have ended up with a shortage of Phone Storage. However checking installed app size through the OS app install menu or App Monster I can't make out how much each app is using for phone storage and how much is being used on the SD Card through Apps2SD...

I tried uninstalling several apps earlier which were a few MB each but they were obviously mostly stored on the SD as I only freed up 1MB total!
[Desire General] tommo123:
save me starting a new thread re: apps2sd

i read that the app has to support installing to the sd card. i assumed rooting got past any protection like that since otherwise, how would any app be installable to the mem card before app makers updated their apps for froyo?

i mean if i rooted now and installed a2sd, are there some apps that'll tell me to get lost if i try to shove em on the card?

sidenote, i hope we get 2.2 soon. i have a list of things 'pending install' on appbrain and it's driving me crazy
[Desire General] DJFliX:
Srsly... I just wiped my phone... Didn't install anything... Free memory is 96MB... That seems like waaaaaay to low. I'm on MCR3.1 Trying a froyo rom next...
[Desire General] zomig:
Well for me the only way to go was to root the phone, I was constantly getting these warnings with only a dozen or so apps installed. Got tired of it in the end so rooted the phone and now running the sense rom with apps2sd installed. Got over 50 apps installed now and storage is still over 85mb.

This will do me, probably wont switch to froyo either yet as the issue will still be there until all the developers sort their apps out. That could take a long time.

Just my 2 cents, don't know what google/htc were thinking when they released an OS where there is no option to install apps to sdcard. This has been availble very early on in windows mobile.
[Desire General] foxmeister:
IMHO, it's got nothing to do with the OS. The problem is the phones don't come with enough internal memory.

The Samsung Galaxy S, and the Dell Streak both have 2gb of space available for applications - this is the way it should have been done!

Regards,

Dave
[Desire General] zomig:
Compared to the new phones coming out now this is very true, I suspect the newer phones from now on will have more memory I am sure the Evo has a load. It is annoying though that they never included the ability to install applications straight onto the sdcard. I did not want to root my phone but was left with little choice considering how long i new it would take HTC to sort this out (past experience with HTC).

It is personal preference to root or not, mine was done for this specific reason and no other as the phone was working fine apart from this major flaw.
[Desire General] Cleargrey:
My added 2 pence.

I was beginning to think it was an absolute certainty that Android would allow saving to the SD card before Froyo was announced simply because if you look at announcements like Dell's phones for 2011, HTC leaked roadmap way back when, and other manufacturers, they never had much internal memory. And that just seemed odd.

With the current beast phones (EVO, Incredible, Droid X) they are adding what I think is much needed internal memory. You can never have too much. But I hear the Incredible could still only use about 150MB for apps. (Check that before quoting or cursing me, I'm not 100% sure!!!)

Froyo needs to hurry up and drop from the servers of HTC. Source code is out so it's a matter of time before I can re-install Google Earth!
[Desire General] mcgon1979:
was there ever a solution to this? I cannot clear the cache of facebook and twitter etc. the option is grayed out.
[Desire General] Ch3wyzzz:
This is why i rooted it but it do much still the app has to support it.

If not then its still istalled on the phones memory
[Touch CDMA Android Development] mrono:
Is anyone going to build a FroYo rom for the vogue?
[Touch CDMA Android Development] Shidell:
If memory serves, Eclair was announced/released on phones for months before AOSP ever had a hold of it.

If it takes months again for Froyo to be released, I'll probably have moved on. However, if AOSP does get Froyo in a reasonable amount of time, I'll do enough to at least dabble in it and create something. No promises on functionality.

I'll be at Google I/O next week, and I have plenty of questions, one of which is how soon we'll see Froyo on AOSP and if it'll be brought up to speed at faster, more regular intervals.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] Dukenukemx:
Tell them Google people that they promised me a pony!
[Touch CDMA Android Development] TheKartus:
Isn't there a rom out for the Droid or Nexus already?
[Touch CDMA Android Development] berardi:
This is supposed to have a 250% increase in speed, that would be sweet :)
[Touch CDMA Android Development] loserskater:
I heard it was a 450% increase... and I know theres at least a few people running froyo on thier Nexus
[Touch CDMA Android Development] mssmison:
as soon as we see a froyo dump we'll see if our libs/kernel will work with it. If not we'll have to wait until the aosp is updated to compile the drivers for froyo.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] mrono:
sure there's a 450% inc on systems with a FPU built in, we don't have one so we'll only see a 200% or so if that
[Touch CDMA Android Development] TheKartus:
Let's not pretend a 200 percent increase wouldn't be awesome.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] mrono:
This is so true!
[Touch CDMA Android Development] mssmison:
fyi, our libs don't work natively on froyo. We'll have to wait for the aosp to be updated so we can make the required adjustments and compile them for it.

:)
[Touch CDMA Android Development] TheKartus:
How long is that usually from SDK release? 2.2 looks really fun.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] mssmison:
looks fun, runs slow on the vogue. Mind you this is only the sdk build (which is usually slower and more buggy in the begining).

Hopefully it won't take too long.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] intimidatorx31:
It probably wont fit on nand.

Also they say froyo 2.2 is lik 5x faster than eclair.

My guess as to why its faster is 2 things;

better coding

More of the mobile operating system is in the ram

(which is why it will be running faster)

Since all the newer devices have a crap load of rom and ram, this wont be a problem.

But for us vogue users who have limited rom and ram, this will mean we will run it off the sd card; which is ok......

Overall i do hope it runs than i anticipate.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] Dukenukemx:
Couldn't it be possible to reduce it's size? Removing applications and unnecessary gadgets?
[Touch CDMA Android Development] Shidell:
It is reasonable to assume that we could fit a stock build of Froyo onto the Vogue's NAND memory--especially given that Froyo natively supports transitioning applications to the SD card. It remains to be seen what size a stock Froyo build will be (roughly).

Froyo is optimized, sure--but the majority of the speed increase is coming from the trace JIT compiler. (The browser will be faster rendering Javascript as well thanks to the V8 engine being migrated in from the Chrome browser.)
[Touch CDMA Android Development] bri3d:
Trace JIT has quite a bit of RAM overhead - that's one of the reasons it was originally not in Android (check out the Android overview talk from 2008's Google I/O for details). And it really only tends to make CPU-heavy loops (games, artificial benchmarks) faster. On the other hand, Google claim to have optimized low-memory handling and the low memory killer/ejector (check out the Android 2.2 new features page).

However, I *highly* doubt it'll fit in NAND - that's the reason Google's cited for never bringing 2.2 to the G1 (in a fireside talk with Gizmodo).

At any rate, if Froyo isn't coming to the G1 family, we won't get 3D drivers (which need to be updated) for the Vogue either, so we're probably dead out of luck. It'll run, but without GL drivers the experience will probably not be great. Someone might be able to shim/dummy in the older ones (especially once AOSP is out) but I wouldn't get my hopes up too far.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love Froyo on the Vogue, but there are a lot of reasons it's a pipe dream.

The V8 improvements have already been backported to Eclair (The Eclair branch of Cyanogenmod has had V8 is a compile time selection for ages - it's disabled by default mostly due to an incompatibility with some JS used in the Epocrates app) so we might see those. The stable JIT might get backported onto the existing hacky / open-source Eclair one as well.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] icreative:
Mmm...Android FroYo...
[Touch CDMA Android Development] mssmison:
1. yes froyo fits on nand no problem,

2. the 3d drivers work just fine that we're already using

3. the reason it was slow (when I mentioned it) was becuase of the un optimized apk's, and of course the new launcher 2. it runs much better with an alternative launcher. Though it's not really any faster than eclair at this point. More testing is required.

4. yes once aosp is out we'll get the libs updated and get full compatibility. (or as close as we can)
[Touch CDMA Android Development] garringm:
Now I'm no expert and only spouting off what I had read somewhere else, FROYO will really not benefit the vogue or kaiser at all. Its the JIT that will help us on other builds correct me if I'm wrong but there is something else in froyo that makes the big difference. Froyo utilizes a part of the processor in the N1 that's not been used in older builds this is where the added speed comes from. Granted it would be nice if I'm wrong though. I'm sure some of you others are more in the know than I am.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] DallasW:
Thought this article may be relevant:

http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/05/20/google-devs-android-2-2-froyo-upgrades-technically-possible-on-every-phone-on-the-market-even-the-g1-google-io-blitz-coverage-day-1/
[Touch CDMA Android Development] berardi:
interesting stuff, wish I had a N1 lol
[Touch CDMA Android Development] Dukenukemx:
Another benefit from FroYo is battery life, from what I've heard.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] margosmark:
Seems to be a matter of weeks before release.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/21/android-2-2-coming-to-nexus-one-open-source-community-in-the-c/
[Touch CDMA Android Development] Dukenukemx:
I've always wondered why there's always a delay when doing things on Android with our phones? Like today I saw someone with a Android phone, and I was amazed. Hardware keyboard and everything. The person was able to use the phone instantly. The person was activating applications instantly, while I was still waiting for Market to start up.

I'm hoping FroYo could fix this, but I somehow doubt it.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] cbaty08:
Looks like they have confirmed it working on the nexus already: http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/22/android-2-2s-froyo-goodness-hitting-the-nexus-one-already/
[Touch CDMA Android Development] intimidatorx31:
does anybody know where i can find this wallpaper

its from froyo
[Touch CDMA Android Development] odz:
Heres the link to download it for N1

http://android.modaco.com/content/g...ed-update-zip-no-radio-option-online-kitchen/
[Touch CDMA Android Development] mssmison:
I've had it running on the vogue since the sdk came out. Again though as mentioned, without the source the libs don't work properly, so while calls work there is not sound or data, or gps.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] TheKartus:
Is there a decent speed improvement? Even just running it with the SDK build?