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[Hero CDMA General] TheBiles:
Hope in one hand and **** in the other. Apple extended the iPhone exclusivity until 2011. Also, we've already proven that we don't have to wait on Sprint to have the latest OS on the Hero (even though it was already almost a year old when it was released on Sprint, which makes the issues something that would have been suspected!). You seem to forget just how old the Hero's hardware is. You can't expect it to be magically easy to update. Don't sacrifice a far superior operating system and hardware for slight convenience.

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[Hero CDMA General] PikkonX:
Or 1 year if you're a premier member. Or...

1. Add a line and buy the Evo at the new customer price of $199.

2. Cancel Hero line.

3. Sell Hero and use money to pay off ETF.
[Hero CDMA General] Jus10o:
Yea iv been a premium member.. But i cant update until next February, hopefully by then Ill here about an even newer phone. Might just skip the Evo.
[Hero CDMA General] PikkonX:
Yeah I'm not eligible until October myself. I want an Evo, however, I'm not paying an extra $10 a month for a 4G service that's not even available in my area, while others can pay that same $10 and reap the benefits. I'm thinking about skipping both devices too (the other being the N1 that I want). Maybe by October/February we'll have those 1.5Ghz Snapdragons and actual 4G service to spend my additional $10 on.
[Hero CDMA General] Jus10o:
i definitely meant to say "hear" not here. lol

But I have 4g in my area, just south of dallas. I definitely wish I had the evo but the only way id ever get it is if they gave me a free upgrade for having some type of problem. So I think ill sit out my 1 year with the hero and if news of a better phone then the evo comes out, ill wait for it or even wait for evo price to drop and then consider buying it.
[Hero CDMA General] PikkonX:
Some leaked documents did show that the Evo price was set to drop later on in the year (obviously). I've no clue when we're getting 4G here in Hampton Roads, VA (Norfolk, VA Beach, etc.) though. I wish they'd give us their long term plans for when and where it will be available, but we all know Sprint isn't too good with deadlines or dates :D.
[Hero CDMA General] iviyth0s:
IF I upgrade, it'd be to the N1. The EVO and these extra charges make me laugh.

$430....no:mad:.... (don't have an upgrade)

and extra $10 a month...ever(even if I'm in a 4G area)....no:mad:....

3G has me plenty happy, as long as they don't artificially bog it down to promote 4G when it comes out I'm in no rush to spend more money a month. 3G tethering has proven to me that with a stronger phone, 3G is plenty nice for my needs. Running firefox on my laptop while tethered is plenty peppy. You can't go torrent happy on 3G but it still is respectable if you want something and you start it before you fall asleep.

I like my Hero and hopefully it'll get 2.1 and 2.2 in the future or perhaps I'd up to the N1 (which should be more affordable)

I'm on Sprint to have a fairly cheap plan $77 a month (with tax/BS charges).

I wish I got on Sero while I had the chance back with my TP but I digress
[Hero CDMA General] DirtyShroomz:
According to an internal memo the evo will be allowed to surf and talk at the same time.

Dont kill the messenger.
[Hero CDMA General] PikkonX:
Yup that was confirmed in the press release: http://newsreleases.sprint.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=127149&p=irol-newsArticle_newsroom&ID=1426178
[Hero CDMA General] DirtyShroomz:
Awesome, I just got off work so you guys know more than me
[Hero CDMA General] blazing4phoenix:
let sprint know

if you dont like the price of add ons you should tell them

Sprint

Caroline Semerdjian,

415-684-7314

Caroline.semerdjian@sprint.com

or call their executive services dept they are awesome
[Hero CDMA General] bbv203:
Provided you are on wifi or 4g....which in all reality are the same thing. and can't we talk while on wifi with the hero?
[Hero CDMA General] DirtyShroomz:
I hate people like this. Complaining for no reason. "New" technology is and dont want to pay extra for it, everything is owed to u for free because u r a special human being. Can u believe I had people call in today saying we owe them a free evo? The ****in phone is not even out! Get a life
[Hero CDMA General] DirtyShroomz:
I do believe u r correct my friend.
[Hero CDMA General] blazing4phoenix:
you of all people should be happy i was trying to get people to quit complaining on here as well as calling regular cstmr serv/retention as we all know you are powerless other than a few minor discounts

also no where in my post was there a complaint simply a referral to those that want to
[Hero CDMA General] DirtyShroomz:
U would b surprised at our power, we just refuse now. My comment was not directed at u just people that have no basis to their complaint and think they are owed something because they pay their bill. No, your not owed anything, sorry.
[Hero CDMA General] danknee:
N1 is only an option if you are switching to another carrier. There are about five threads floating around here about the N1 being passed up by Sprint due to the Evo.
[Hero CDMA General] iviyth0s:
Have you ever took a step back and realized how overpriced wireless companies are?? (even Sprint!)

I'm not spending more than my $69.99 +T&F, no way no how!!
[Hero CDMA General] fixxxer2008:
im glad you have a job and are all set money wise. since you say everyone should buy an evo, why don't you pick me one up as well. ;)

this launch will not go as good as planned now that they are making it mandatory to get a higher rate plan on top of extra fee's just to own the phone. ive seen some pretty nasty comments about sprint last night on the net & on ppcgeeks. this is why im passing up the phone unless i can get one for free.

ive said this before... after the evo, the hero & moment will be treated like an ugly step child. the evo will be the flagship android device and it wouldn't surprise me if sprint doesn't carry another cheaper alternative for quite some time. hence why the N1 was dropped the other day.
[Hero CDMA General] fixxxer2008:
sprint just dug a hole for themselves. i may move to t-mobile this year. at least they dropped credit checks and extra fee's for not perfect credit. people with shady credit will pay through the ass to own an evo.
[Hero CDMA General] cmccracken:
Wifi (IEEE 802.11) and 4G (WiMAX, IEEE 802.16) are completely different and incompatible IEEE standards. Its like comparing Wifi and Ethernet (IEEE 802.3).
[Hero CDMA General] fixxxer2008:
i find it funny that people automatically assume the evo will be rooted right away. i bet it will be awhile before it happens. alot of the new android phones in the future will not be able to be cracked.

i wouldn't even buy the phone at launch, i bank on bad battery life, bugs. i would wait until one of the devs root the sucker. :D
[Hero CDMA General] tejasrichard:
I'm pretty sure the credit check only applies to new customers, not for upgraders.

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Sprint has always had a credit check for new subscribers...including for folks who bought the hero.
[Hero CDMA General] fixxxer2008:
yeah sprint always had credit checks, so did tmobile up till recently. i had to pay a pretty penny to get on the sprint network because my credit was a bit tarnished. but ive been with them since 2005.
[Hero CDMA General] smstutler:
My down was 250 per line. You can tell they want customers though. ATT wanted 40 and VZW wanted 700. What is even funnier though is that I bought my new car in 2008 and didnt need a penny down.
[Hero CDMA General] tejasrichard:
And you guys are *****ing about paying $10 a month for 4g? 10 bucks for nearly 10 times the speed of 3g? And you're complaining? I pay nearly 50 bucks a month for broadband that's getting 6 megs down. I'm not rich. Hell, I'm not even in the range most people would call comfortable. But, even I have figured out that you get what you pay for. I use my phone's internet somewhere around 6+ hours a day, not including nav services. The hero is the remote for my stereo (my other hobby, and first love), as well as a portable access point for my desktop. Add to this the ego's massive increase in speed and processing power, the upgraded screen's responsiveness and resolution, the ability to output video in hi-def through its built-in hdmi port, and the fact that it can be used as a hotspot by multiple devices, and you are complaining about what again? Just a bunch of grousing and whining. If you don't like the phone, don't buy it. If you hate Sprint, go to t-mobile or wherever. Tell me how much t-mobile or ATT charges you for 4g service. speaking of which, what do you get for your money, plan-wise, compared to Sprint. What are they selling the N1 for again? And how does it compare head-to-head with the evo?
[Hero CDMA General] fixxxer2008:
$700 for Verizon? that's blackmail! :eek:
[Hero CDMA General] swaze:
Dude, why dont you go poke your head in the sand and just stay there. You sound like a 5 yr old kid who wanted one specific toy so bad and found out he couldn't get it and now wants to trash every single toy out that is better than the one you wanted. WHO GIVES A **** WHAT U THINK.

Geeez, we understand you aren't getting the EVO, so STFU about it you whining clown. Go cry on T-Mob's message board since that where you said you are going. Holla!!!!!!
[Hero CDMA General] fixxxer2008:
give it a rest man, im not the only one bashing the **** sprint pulled yesterday. i have the right to state my opinion just as anyone does. i swear some of you on here just like to start ****.
[Hero CDMA General] bbv203:
Ok, gotcha. I meant that in the sense that neither rely on the same services that we use for traditional voice/data, wich is why you can talk and surf at the same time.
[Hero CDMA General] tejasrichard:
Look, I'm not bashing you. I'm not bashing anyone. You say whatever you want, I won't try to stop you....but I will call bs when I see it. What exactly did sprint pull yesterday? They announced what may be the best phone on the planet (certainly the most featureful, we'll have to wait and see about real-world performance), and they said you'd have to pay a pittance extra for a new technology that you can't get anywhere else, on any other carrier. Did they hit your mom? Did they even raise your phone bill without notifying you and raise your etf to $1000? No? So how have they harmed you in any fashion? If they haven't harmed you, what exactly, without mincing words, are you pissed for?
[Hero CDMA General] fixxxer2008:
the best phone on the planet? you do realize the evo will be outdated in no time flat when another superior device comes out. :D

and im not pissed at all but many are. i wasn't getting the evo anyways.
[Hero CDMA General] dec3ption:
The reason a lot of people, including myself, are pissed is because the $10 charge is mandatory, even for people not in 4g areas. I wouldn't mind shelling out an optional $10 for 4g at all (if we had it in my area) but to make it a mandatory charge is stupid in my opinion.
[Hero CDMA General] fixxxer2008:
im hearing it's $10 per evo, is that true? what i mean is if you buy 2 evo's will you be charged an additional $20 per month?
[Hero CDMA General] swaze:
The $10 is not for 4G, its so that there will be NO DATA CAP on the amount of data you would have at your disposal. Regardless of whether you are using 3G or 4G. It just ensures you have no cap. Thats all the $10 is for.
[Hero CDMA General] bbv203:
If that is the case, why have unlimited data plans? Just saying:rolleyes: Also, once rooted, couldn't you avoid the hotspot fee by using a wireless tether type app in place of the built in one?
[Hero CDMA General] Kcarpenter:
I think the exact feature is "Premium Data Services".

And about the "Future android's wont be able to be cracked"

I have NEVER seen sometihng that wasn't hackable to an extent.

Look at Win Vista and Win 7 - Microsoft stated it would be impossible to pirate -I'll have to dig up the qoute - but They where cracked BEFORE RELEASE!

If someone wants it bad enough, it will happen - simple.
[Hero CDMA General] swaze:
I dont know about the tether type apps. You probably could but not sure how many devices you would be able to support, 8 is alot to still have good signal's on all the devices. But for the "unlimited data", I assumed it was known that they said "unlimited" but there was always a theoritical cap that was attached. Thats why when the tethering came out there was also a warning not to go too crazy with it because of the cap. Well with the extra $10 there will be no cap.
[Hero CDMA General] bbv203:
Hence the "just saying:rolleyes:"
[Hero CDMA General] pwc realtor:
Does anyone else think that Sprint will have to do like Verizon did with the Pre Plus/Pixi Plus and offer the hotspot service for free?

Here's what I find: Those of us who tether do so infrequently and only when necessary mainly because we can't talk and use tethering at the same time (on 3G).

I think the main FAIL with Sprint's Pricing of the EVO is that it assumes that you HAVE 4G in your area and many of us even in populated areas may not get it for a while (I'm outside of Washington DC but pretty much know that I'm too far from DC to get it on initial roll out here).
[Hero CDMA General] vanshmack:
Quoted for truth.

As I mentioned in another thread, back in the WinMo5 days, M$ began locking the ROMs to the phone. Took the hackers at PPCGeeks about 3 months to figure out how to unlock our phones. Then, in 2008, the Touch Diamond had already been unlocked at the time of it's release.

Fixer can hate all he wants on the EVO, but the fact is, the tremendous interest this phone has generated will translate into huge sales and robust support from the hacker community.

The time from release to root-access will be measured in days.
[Hero CDMA General] sdotcarlisle:
The EVO is coming out just a few days before my birthday. Its like Eric Schmidt and God teamed up and said "Happy Birthday Shawn"
[Hero CDMA General] OtisFeelgood:
My deposit for Sprint was 150, TMobile wanted 500, and Verizon wanted a nice 1000. I had Cingular(ATT) before I switched to Sprint and my deposit was 200 there.

A sprint rep told me today that the $10 charge is only for people that WANTS the 4G service if they're in an eligible city. So it's not mandatory.

Edit: And this was told to me in store by the store's manager.
[Hero CDMA General] tejasrichard:
Happy early birthday! To celebrate, you should come down to Austin. We can get drunk, smoke a fatty, and watch your new evo suck down 4g broadband like it thinks it's gonna find the cure! :D
[Hero CDMA General] Sawawa:
So this is launching with 2.1 a few weeks after Google releases 2.2 at the IO Conference?

Glad to see that HTC is keeping their legacy of fail going. This should make Hero owners feel right at home.
[Hero CDMA General] smw6180:
Anyone got an idea what the unsubsidized price is yet? I don't feel like waiting until February for it.
[Hero CDMA General] DirtyShroomz:
Only reason I have a company with contracts is because im not required to have one and I pay 0 a month. If I did not, hello metro pcs.
[Hero CDMA General] tejasrichard:
450 dollars
[Hero CDMA General] smw6180:
That's about 75.00 less than I was figuring. Thank you sir.
[Hero CDMA General] tejasrichard:
Ever since this was announced, I've been talking myself out if rushing out and getting one. I'm trying to hold out till December, when I'm up for upgrade. So far, I'm winning. I haven't taken out any loans, or sold my sperm or anything crazy....but it's day-to-day, man, it's day-to-day.
[Hero CDMA General] dfitzpatrick:
My bet is it won't take as long. I'm assuming our upgrade took so long because the ROM was basically a hack as 1.5 did not offer any CDMA support at the time.

Now that CDMA is supported in newer Android builds, I think doing upgrades will be a lot easier for HTC. I think this is also the reason the Eris beat us to the upgrade.

Even at 7 months old, we were the legacy software. HTC was juggling two builds of Sense UI and, unfortunately, I think we were the more hacked-up, needing complete re-write ones.
[Hero CDMA General] david279:
i got my pre order. Best buy 50 bucks....
[Hero CDMA General] OtisFeelgood:
lol

10chars=fail
[Hero CDMA General] sdotcarlisle:
that sounds like a hell of a plan.
[Hero CDMA General] bzh10136:
So i dont see why people would pay for the hotspot feature when there will be tethering apps available for android the phone is gettings alot of hype for no reason ya its going to be a good phone i know i used to work for sprint advanced tech support and the training on it is decent the phone is good but sprints coverage is kinda crappy and the 4g isnt the best really u have to be withing one mile of a tower in order to recieve proper coverage and the battery drain is going to be insane and OS upgrades i think sprint has to be the slowest of all the national carriers to offer os upgrades for the device look at the hero they cant work with htc to get things together the phone will just be in the shadow of the new iphone and iphone OS4 which should be one heck of a free update for existing iphone users its kinda just one of those things that sounds like it should be good but its not im not into the evo at all but it does beat the crap out of any phone verizon has put out ever so go sprint for that
[Hero CDMA General] OtisFeelgood:
Have you ever heard of periods? They look like this -> .
[Hero CDMA General] swaze:
WTF are you talking about. First of all out of all the phones out in the wild who came with 1.5, 1.6, 2.0, how many of them have been updated to 2.1??? Yea not that many huh. And one of the 2 who have came with 2.0 so not that much of a change.

One mile from the tower to get proper coverage?? Man do you know how completely moronic that sounds? If you worked for sprint you couldn't have lasted 2 weeks, until they realized you were slow. Nice attempt but you = FAIL!!!
[Hero CDMA General] :
Theonlywaythatpostcouldvebeenworseisifitwasalloneword
[Hero CDMA General] drbgotenks:
That's some funny ****
[Hero CDMA General] phinnaeus:
your phone is always sending out a 4g signal? if you are using 4g data just on your evo then its up/down. adding wifi sharing of that connection looks the same to sprint. just more bandwidth. its not like the evo is going to broadcast a little miniature 4g zone, that makes no sense at all.

edit: also, i know other's mileage will vary, but i cant think of a time when i will need/want/let more than one computer tether to my phone for 4g.
[Hero CDMA General] iviyth0s:
We don't have a cap now so....:rolleyes:

:confused: Rephrase :confused:
[Hero CDMA General] swaze:
Yes there is a cap, its just not broadcast that much. Check your contract, it clearly states you have a 5gb cap. Go over it and see what happens.
[Hero CDMA General] fixxxer2008:
agreed, you are right, read your contract folks.
[Hero CDMA General] david279:
No cap on 4G:D If its availible in your area..:confused:
[Hero CDMA General] iviyth0s:
I heard that phone users don't have the *official* 5GB cap like aircards do, I remember tethering to my old Samsung Upstage (EVDO Rev. 0) and torrenting up a storm well beyond 5GB and nothing happened. Unless this was something they snuck it in on us more recently.

That's pretty disgusting if you're right, they should be forbidden to call it "Unlimited Data"
[Hero CDMA General] swaze:
Yeah that's because they don't expect people to go over that.

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[Hero CDMA General] ro_bro:
I love the phone, but am I the only guy that thinks that 4.3" EVO won't fit in my pocket? And no, I don't wear skinny jeans.
[Hero CDMA General] Konikub:
lol, it'll fit just fine....and when you pull it out, it'll fit in your hand even better :)
[Hero CDMA General] david279:
Im gonna keep mine in a satchel!!!!
[Hero CDMA General] Tipharet:
LOL MAN-PURSE?? :confused:
[Hero CDMA General] abcdfv:
Fanny pack.

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[Hero CDMA General] david279:
Indiana Jones had a satchel....
[Hero CDMA General] tejasrichard:
Fine, but you only get to call YOURS a satchel if you also carry a bull-whip at all times, otherwise, your headin straight back to fannypack town!
[Hero CDMA General] ro_bro:
So the EVO will make every man more fem? LOL. I hope they come out with one with similar specs with about a 4" screen.
[Hero CDMA General] iviyth0s:
N1 whuuuut
[Hero CDMA General] aauussttiinn88:
im gettin a ankle holster for mine :cool:
[Hero CDMA General] OtisFeelgood:
lol wtf

10charsfail
[Hero CDMA General] fixxxer2008:
the evo is just an hd2 running android. i always thought the phone was too big for my tastes. ill wait for a android phone with a full keyboard to come.
[Hero CDMA General] tejasrichard:
So the HD2 has 2 cameras? No? Does it record video in HD? No? Can it output HD through it's HDMI jack? Wait, does it have an HDMI jack? No? Oh yeah, does it have a 4G radio? No? Then it's not the same phone. That is a significant amount of hardware difference for a phone that costs the exact same price.
[Hero CDMA General] tyrnight:
Just pre-ordered mine at Best Buy.. Im so ready to be done with my Hero..

most stores only get 25 and I got #15 yay...
[Hero CDMA General] iviyth0s:
He means size wise, and I'm with you fixxer I will only upgrade when there is a powerhouse android phone with a keyboard
[Hero CDMA General] DirtyShroomz:
Keyboards are overrated, swype ftw
[Hero CDMA General] Nodata:
Amazing! I can't wait. I convinced my dad to drop AT&T and go with Sprint and Android. He's going to sign up for a new plan and get the Evo when it comes out and then offered to trade me for my Hero. He doesn't need all the "bells and whistles" on the Evo and just wants my Hero because I showed him that it could do wireless tethering after I rooted it. Does anyone know if we can just trade phones after he signs up? Is it that easy?
[Hero CDMA General] iviyth0s:
real keyboard ftw!

I just tried swype....it's interesting but a real keyboard is a real keyboard
[Hero CDMA General] abcdfv:
Should be. He goes in and says he purchased a Hero and would like to activate it, you go in and say you bought an evo and would like to activate it.
[Hero CDMA General] Tipharet:
or Just ESN swap online. Thats how I use to get my MSL codes when I had another phone.
[Hero CDMA General] Tipharet:
Yeah but hes Indiana Jones he can carry a man purse. Maybe it you carried a whip?
[Hero CDMA General] digitalscars:
I just think it's ridiculous that sprint and other companies don't offer loyal customers better prices. I pay the same price for an upgrade that someone buying their first phone with 2 year contract pays. They should give it to you for at least cheaper than a new user.
[Hero CDMA General] Tipharet:
YEAH!! They should give them to us!
[Hero CDMA General] DirtyShroomz:
me too, i find it ridiculous ford doesnt give me a new car cheaper bc i already own a ford or samsung doesnt give me that lcd cheaper cause all my tvs are samsung. i think its even more ****ed up that my mortgage company doesnt give me a discount for paying my mortgage on time every month!!!!

its a business, pay to use.
[Hero CDMA General] Jus10o:
Most of thoughs make no sense at all.. A contract with a company is completely different then owning a ford and wanting a cheaper one.

I completely agree with what the guy you quoted said. Iv been with sprint for close to 8 years, and I have to pay the same price someone new does. If I had NO contract with them I would never even consider it. Im not saying they should give them to use, but maybe if you are a premium costumer you maybe can get a discount on top of the upgrade price.

Also maybe not a mortgage, but some places do get cheaper if you pay on time.
[Hero CDMA General] DirtyShroomz:
which is y sprint is the only company with a premier program for custs, but of course thats not enough and my examples are exactly the same concept.