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[XPERIA X10 General] visitador02:
Just nothing to do right now, but got a thought on my mind. Having come from the HTC Magic, I found the conversations in this forum quite polite. Posters saying "thank you" after a reply etc. At the Magic forum, I see people using more * words, and being totally impatient for someone to answer whatever query they have.

Maybe the X10 cost more and brings a more mature crowd? Or is this generally true for owners of Sony Ericsson phones? Just a thought.
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
Wow... wasn't expecting a discussion around the human psychology of mobile phone ownership on here!!!!...

I guess you're right.. The design of the X10 must attract a more considerate, thoughtful type of mobile phone anorak!! (Me included!)
[XPERIA X10 General] ronnyuk:
Kids can't hold the 4" screen it's too big haha so they buy the HTC Desire instead, you will find more 1337 speak there :)
[XPERIA X10 General] kpms:
Haha - I was thinking the same thing.. I find this fourm to be one of

the most gracious out there... :)
[XPERIA X10 General] Bialynia:
YO! I can't get my f*&%$ing phone to work, is the right thread?
[XPERIA X10 General] ronnyuk:
www.macrumors.com/iphone try there :)
[XPERIA X10 General] daeshawn:
Lmao

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[XPERIA X10 General] Flamso:
Maybe because the X10 is quite expensive? But yeah, iPhone-users aren't very polite. :D
[XPERIA X10 General] Bialynia:
:p

I do like the Toss It app where you get to throw iPhones into a trash bin!
[XPERIA X10 General] joerome:
hell yeah!

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[Nexus One General] erebusting:
Ok, I will try to keep this short...I just thought this was kinda weird.....

I called to return my phone today, and when they asked if I had any other issues with it (besides the back cover not lining up with the phone) I said yes..and I described how the screen does not let you have two fingers on the same axis and gave them this example: when I was playing 'Prince of Persia' and it had the direction buttons on the lower left of the screen and across on the lower right of the screen were the other 'action buttons' and when I press both they either both do not work or only one will work. Now the rep said 'Oh, well that is because the nexus one does not have multi touch...it has pinch to zoom' ...in my mind I was like "wth?" haha, but is this just their excuse for the Synaptic touch sensor? It seems more as though they are trying to justify it instead of owning up to it...well my response was refering to the Htc incredible and the Supersonic which have new touch sensors that work better and I said I had wished the nexus one had the same...the rep said she was not aware of an update for the problem, but it is not out of the question...(I wondered if she realized I was talking about hardware not software, although hardware can be updated as well just not as easily...)...
[Nexus One General] MaximReapage:
Umm I'm not sure how much that tech actually knows, because I was playing a game on my N1....idr the name of it but it was a first-person shooter, and I was able to use the on-screen movement controls AND look around by dragging my finger across the screen at the same time.
[Nexus One General] NexusDro:
I think that's because they are on two different horizontal axes.
[Nexus One General] faraz1992:
N1 can detect TWO touch points at the same time, and thats according to the touch sensor manufacturer. I think the game, Prince of Persia, is not efficient enough for detecting two points at the same time. We should wait till 19th May and see what Google brings for gaming scene on android...
[Nexus One General] RogerPodacter:
yeah the update is right around the corner, so i would be curious to see if it fixes that issue.

but i would not expect some customer service rep to know a damn thing about the Y-axis issue or what model the touch screen is synaptics clearpad 2000. you're giving them way too much credit. they just know it has pinch to zoom, and that's the end of it.

anyway that game should work OK using 2 touch points, but i havent tried it to know for sure. i have seen that there are other games that use 2 points and they work fine. i guess the game crosses the Y-axis is when it would not work, but i didnt know any type of those games exist yet. i admit it sucks that this limitation is present.
[Nexus One General] erebusting:
The error occurs if the two fingers are on the same axis ...i.e. horizontal / vertical from each other ...but if it is diagonal it should work...even slightly diagonal should work unless the two points get close to each others axis....this is not a software issue and I surely would love to see it fixed with a software update but I doubt this will be so...only time will tell.....now I would not blame it on Prince of Persia...check other games with the same control layout and see how it works...or even try something without the same layout and just use one control and touch your finger on the same axis of the control and you will see the error occur....

It sucks, a BRAND NEW 2010 phone, over $500....and yet cannot even use proper multitouch...even my old iphone 2g works better in the multitouch aspect....(sad and disappointing) ...it has all these nice specs but the multi touch aspect kills it for me...
[Nexus One General] ap3604:
People expecting the N1 to not have any quirks make me laugh :rolleyes:
[Nexus One General] erebusting:
so you are fine that a piece of hardware made 3 years ago out performs this new one? That is something that you normally expect eh?....hmm " :rolleyes: " ....
[Nexus One General] Eclair~:
Well actually I am.. but that's because I don't play poorly made games on my phone, at least not ones that require multi touch, and even then.. it doesn't really mess up though :/

If there are games that are actually made with quality for Android, that multi-touch is really required on.. then maybe I will then know your pain. Other than that, apps and etc. are pretty fine.
[Nexus One General] RogerPodacter:
yes i am totally fine with it. maybe i live in reality but this minor design issue is NOTHING to worry about. i think some people are not well adjusted to the world....
[Nexus One General] erebusting:
your eggagerated response is funny, you live in 'reality' where you would pay top dollar for something supposedly top notch, but I think in REAL reality you would want the best for your money....basically would you pay $2.00 for a Ferrari/MaxTouch sensor or $2.00 for a pinto/Synaptic touch sensor ...... why not get the most for your money? are you just trying to make yourself feel better about the phone your are now basically stuck with?
[Nexus One General] erebusting:
wth are you talking about...'made with quality for Android, that multi-touch is really required on.'...? this is a hardware issue, how does it matter how good or bad the game is made, the hardware supersedes the software in this case....

I guess the real thing is, as long as you are all happy with your non multi touch phone/ the 'pinch to zoom' phone...

haha
[Nexus One General] RogerPodacter:
I don't know why you think the nexus price is any different than any other smartphone. its actually cheaper than most smartphones.

my response is not exaggerated at all. I'm happy with my phone 100%.
[Nexus One General] erebusting:
well that is not what the discussion was about now any ways right(the price)...the price is another issue, but for being the same price as about any other smartphone while some of those smart phones can do proper multitouch and with the same or better specs, why would you want to limit yourself if you could choose the best...

disregard the exaggerated comment because it just brings up another discussion for another day

just answer this...

wouldnt you want the best you can get for the hard earned money you spend?

I understand this phone is great...I believe it should have been at least a little bit better than what it came out to be...
[Nexus One General] ohgood:
i can't think of two (one isn't really worth the think) reasons for a multi-touch sensor. pinch/zoom seems to work well for maps and pictures. not being a gamer means a good deal of drama is lost on me i suppose.

as far as the price of the n1, and being 'stuck' with the phone... that's laughable. anyone can sell their n1 TONIGHT on ebay or craigslist for 100% of what they paid for it from google, and then some in certain cases. smart phones co$t MONEY. beit an iphone, n1, n97, or whatever is going to be badass next summer. i _LIKE_ the idea of buying off contract, using a NO CONTRACT carrier, and selling/leaving when i want.

should a N1 come out for att/whoever without contract, with a sweet keyboard like the G1, i'd switch overnight. water proof ? i'm there. 12 mp camera with HD and a gig of rom space ? sweet.

this is more a rant thread than a progress in motion thread. if you feel you've been wronged or led by false advertising, sell your phone. get one that does everything you have to have. i don't recall anyone saying "holy **** it haz multi-touch i gotta haz it !!!!!" when the n1 was released.

that was much longer than i expected. shoulda just said "lol" and left it.
[Nexus One General] Eclair~:
When I said made with quality, I was saying how much quality are put into Android's games. I was referring nothing to hardware issues.

Most Android games (to me) are horrible little 2D games that get boring in a few minutes. I don't even really "want" to play them, so therefore I don't need a complicated multi touch system until 'quality' games are made. Games that are worth playing for more than a few seconds, sadly to say, iPhone type games. Google is trying, though.

The only application that "plays" the games I want to play is GameBoid, where the multi-touch works perfectly. I can hold down a directional input, along with B, or A, and reform actions that result in those two presses perfectly. Such as running.

You seem to love to whine though, you did pay a lot for this phone though, I guess I would be pissed if this really mattered to me as well. Right now I'm like "whatever, who cares". It does what I want..
[Nexus One General] RogerPodacter:
I've owned so many phones in my life, and every single one of them had some type of issue, defect, missing feature, or whatever. if the only complaint about the nexus is this one minor issue, than I say its a winner.

great so the original iPhone could do it, but it couldn't do pics with a flash, or copy/paste, or mms. so what scenario is better/worse? I say the nexus is the better situation by leaps and bounds.

if this issue is important to you then you should switch phones. for me its not that important. my Nokia n97 had a faulty camera lens issue that scratched itself when opening. every phone has its quirks. if the nexus ones quirk is this Y axis issue, then I proclaim we all are winners with such a minor issue.
[Nexus One General] habs101:
:rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

and it took the iphone how long until they got copy and Paste? that wait winMo had since the ipaq days

or wait MMS?

hm whatever? does it do bluetooth file transfers yet? without needing alternative programs?

even myk750 from sony does bluetooth lol
[Nexus One General] erebusting:
lol that is not the point, I was just saying that when I heard it was able to do multi touch I thought it was going to be like the iPhone's multitouch ...since that tech is now older tech I thought it was implied that it would have equal or better multi touch especially since everything else is definately better...The iPhone was a competitor for a while there and you would think they would have beefed up the multitouch (or at least made it on par) since they beefed up every other aspect....

haha damn, this IS becomming a 'rant' thread...sorry on my behalf for that didn't mean for it to come to that ...I am irritating myself right now with this thread... I just wanted to bring up what the rep had said it was kind of odd to hear that....but the issue she was referring to is something that bugs me..

Now in reference to the gba emulator comment, I haven't tried it but the SNES emu works fine (it has the directional pad diagonally across from the buttons, so it does not suffer from the so called 'y axis' error)

BTW I have some Nexus Cases, anyone interested ?
[Nexus One General] metamorph8:
Well, go get the best you can get for your money, i guess. Some people are satisfied with their nexus ones (nexii?)

The iphone and the nexus are not competitors, strictly speaking. The devices are competing in different classes. If you feel that they are, you could probably do some research, which would give you a good idea of how they compare.

Less ranting please.
[General Questions and Answers] AyanamiZer00:
I'm not sure what ROM I've seen this done in, but in someone's plain-ish Rhodium ROM, I saw less icons than what I've got on mine. Any ideas how to remove any of these? Particularly the one I've got the red arrow drawn towards?
[TG01 ROM Development] mcfaddwa22:
i dont know what is going on but my text messages are not being sent. i can receive messages but i cant send them. i dont know what is going on..any ideas.

i am using nokser build 23566.5.5.0. never had this problem before
[TG01 ROM Development] phillmydiamond:
i think its just a fault with windows, i have the same thing, i find texts get sent hours after i pressed send, and texts don't always get to me in time.

must have something to do with the radio
[Windows Phone 7 General] Blue Ice K4:
why they don't do it? ipad as iphone os... many slate are coming with android... why not a wp7 slate? i think it should be awesome, don't you?
[Windows Phone 7 General] krjcook:
I'm sure it will happen. By MS? I wouldn't bet on it, but there's nothing stopping MS's official partners from making a device. C-Motech made a Windows Mobile 6.5 tablet last year. If it does happen it will probably be anywhere between 5-8 inches since the highest resolution possible is only 800x480
[Windows Phone 7 General] florinbv:
Maybe HP Slate will comes with WebOS from Palm, I guess you already know that HP bought PALM :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] federaly:
4 main OS's

Out of the 4 main OS's of choice Android,iPhone,WebOS & WP7 I personally think WebOS & WP7 would be the best tablet experience to have on a device with w 7"+ screen size.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Spike15:
I really don't understand what everyone's hang up is with having a phone OS on a tablet.

It's bd enough that we have to endure the closed phone OS ecosystem on phones, why would you want to move that to the tablet realm?

What happened to all the people maligning the iPad because it ran a phone OS?
[Windows Phone 7 General] gom99:
more people are buying into the "what it does, it does really well" talking point. I don't know how many times I've read that, and heard it by ipad owners. Real tablets need another year or 2 to get the right hardware to use a real OS well at acceptable battery life, weight, and performance.

The HP Touchsmart is a step in the right direction. We're at like 1st & Goal for a real tablet envisioned like 10 years ago.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Spike15:
Which is kind of ridiculous because the point of the evolution of the computer is that it enables you to do more and more with one device.

This single-minded design ethos just restricts the customer further and further, and the fragmentation of operating systems is going to ensure that development is spread between all of them, rather than focussed on one of them (alternatively you're just going to see one rise to dominance and all the others will fade away).

Having a desktop OS on a tablet allows you to leverage the design and development work that's already gone into that operating system.

I see a lot of people/sites talking about how HP -- in their supposed killing of the Windows 7 Slate -- wants to own both the hardware and the software. I think these companies really need to take a more in-depth look at that business model -- the only company it's worked for is Apple, and it's arguable whether or not that's because Apple actually makes it work, or because Apple has their reality distortion field at full power.

Besides, if you've ever used an HP OEM PC that hasn't been formatted, you know just what a terrible idea it is having HP responsible for any kind of software development...
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
That's actually true about every OEM out there.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Spike15:
I know, I was just citing HP as a specific example because they're rumoured to be killing off the Windows 7 Slate in favour of using an in house OS (WebOS).

The fact that companies are looking to own the OS and the hardware just sooms like a quality-sacrificing money-grab to me.

HP is a hardware company, and they make really good hardware. Microsoft is a software company, and they make really good software. There's a reason that they keep out of each others' markets, and that's because they would compromise the quality of the finished product. Great HP hardware running crappy HP software wouldn't amount to anything...
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
They have tons of ambitions usually, and within big corporations like HP it's impossible to say that something they make sucks. So at the end of the day even if they may know they're bad at software they'll never acknowledge it, which sooner or later leads to bad decisions. They have reality distortion fields of their own.

Anyway, HP isn't a company that knows how to focus on anything. So I would expect to see different tablets from them, their acquisition of Palm doesn't mean much in this respect.
[Windows Phone 7 General] MooGoo:
Everyone seems to forget that tablet laptops with tablet versions of Windows XP/Vista/7 have been available for years. And yes they have acceptable battery life, weight, and performance.

Anyone who ever mentions "Laptop Replacement" and iPad in the same sentence should be required to look up the Lenovo Thinkpad X200 multi-touch tablet. Heavier and more expensive? Sure. But you only need one! No need lug that useless laptop around with you for every occasion that you might want to type something a bit longer than a web address or a text message, or every time your iPad fails at some trivial task that any 10 year old computer could easily perform.

But of course the iPad is not about features is it, it is about ease of use, and "doing what it does really well".

So what are these things that the iPad does "really well", compared to a laptop or desktop computer? Is Mobile Safari on the iPad really any easier to use than any desktop web browser? What about watching movies and listening to music (was this ever difficult)? Well it's optimized for touch input you say! But really, with 1024x768 and above screens, the difference between a finger and a mouse pointer is pretty close to being insignificant.

And lets not forget that Windows 7 came with multi-touch friendly features built in well before the iPad was even announced.

But of course no one knows this.

Anyway, I had a point, before I got sidetracked ranting about the iPad (I really need to work on this). My point was, tablet computers running the Windows operating system already exist, are available for a price no more than an average laptop, are optimized for multi-touch, and are easy to use, fast, and extremely powerful.

Pick one up, or at least check one out, and you'll forget that you ever thought you wanted to own an over-sized phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] shaundalglish:
It's not even an oversized phone, cause it can't make phone calls. It's just an oversized music player.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Spike15:
I saw this when Windows 7 was released and was totally psyched for Windows 7 multi-touch tablets.

I had the fortune of grabbing a tablet that my Uncle was trying out for work back in the early 2000s, one of the old school HP or Compaq ones that only worked with the stylus and ran XP Tablet Edition. I was reading an eBook version of Angels and Demons, and it was love at first sight.

Ever since I've wanted a modern tablet, but there really hasn't been anything.

I've been thinking of picking up a convertible ultra-portable (most likely the HP EliteBook 2730p if I go that route) and I'm just mostly concerned about the increased weight. I want a tablet to fill a very specific niche (replacing and enhancing the functionality of a book) and I don't need 3.3 pounds worth of keyboard et cetera to do that...
[Windows Phone 7 General] Blue Ice K4:
i think that we are already ready at hardware specs to make a slate with real os onboard... 5 hours aren't so bad...

but did you think wath can mean using windows 7, also with multitouch pack, ONLY with fingers and... on a 9" screen? don't forget that if os has touch optimization... the apps don't, if they weren't already designed... try to think about web surfing with firefox without touch optimization like form management and with menus not finger and friendly... now think all the others apps... i think we'll go crazy after few minutes

i think that mobile os are not better, but they are build to be finger friendly (unless winmo6 hehehe) and the experience with that is completely different and awesome respect a real os only with finger gesture, unless somebody develop an entire ui for win7 and sw start to have a finger friendly design and gestures...

different are the tablet pc, with keyboard and touchpad, in that case you can switch and having always the best input device method available.

bye!
[Windows Phone 7 General] Spike15:
I'm so tired of people preaching "finger friendliness". It seems in order to be "finger friendly" to these people, the entire screen needs to be occupied with just one giant button.

Do you all have Parkinson's?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Blue Ice K4:
dont worry, i haven't parkinson...

i just want a device where i dont want to touch twice the button because the first time i didn't aimed well the touch.

i just want a device where the apps doesn't require a keyboard.

i just want a device where there are apps...

what do you want to do with a slate? a device without keyboard and 9" screen...

internet, mail, youtube, movies, gps, mp3, chat, skype, videocall, games and others "mobile apps"... at this moment all these thing can be made with a mobile os with a best experience; with win7 they could be made, but there aren't all (games for example) and the experience it's surely poor respect to a mobile os...
[Windows Phone 7 General] MooGoo:
OMG YOU READ MY MIIIIIIIIIIIIIND.

Finger friendliness does not require super sized UI elements. An operating system that has a finger controlled touchscreen as one of its input devices, can be programed so that, on detection of finger input, the areas of activation for common control elements such as buttons, check boxes, scrollbars, links etc, would be expanded, and thus not require precise placement as would be the case with a mouse pointer. You can already see this kind of finger adaptation on decent mobile web browsers such as the one built into Android which can accurately detect clicks on links even on a completely zoomed out web page (Opera Mobile 10 on the other hand could barely detect a click if the entire screen was a link...sigh)

This same finger awareness could be used to detect presses within scrollable areas to enable finger drag scrolling, just as TouchFlo originally did for WinMo.

And on the off chance you are presented with some nightmare of overlapping buttons, then the ability to zoom in the entire screen (Magnifier in Windows 7) can be used to compensate.

In short, no UI redesign should be necessary for finger control of most computer applications. Of course there will be exceptions, games in particular, many of which will get patched, some needing significant redesign.

That is the one thing the iPad offers that thus far is unique. It is the only significant platform for large format touch screen applications. Apple's trick this time around was to outsource their trademark innovation almost entirely to 3rd party developers. So far seems to be working.