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[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
Bialynia,

Dude we all get it. You love your X10. As for the

real

issues I have high lighted all you need to do is back out of this thread and find anyone of several X10 owners commenting on the issues they are facing. Many of the comments coming from long time XDA sr members who's observations I have learned to trust. Instead of listening to some guy who join a week ago with his first SE product, who is obviously not very objective, and has anger issues.

This thread is asking what people think. You take issue with people that think differently than you. You are not an SE sales person by chance? Because you defend and hard sell this product just like a salesman that is not meeting his quota. And, despite your rave (un-objective) reviews your attacks of other opinions have gone a long way toward discrediting your own comments.

The part I love the best is how you finally admit that the 1.6 has issues, though "they are not SE issues" ( I would not say every issue is related to the 1.6). But anyway, thank you, finally. Still SE will have to engineer these fixes on the X10 and issue the updates themselves in order for owners not to void their warranties. Which they have stated they would do in NOVEMBER (joke). As a long time SE customer, I know regardless of what is promised and regardless of how easy a fix is suppose to be, that it never goes easy or how it is suppose to. That is an absolute fact. However, SE could still address enough of my concerns to turn me into a buyer. I do wish that SE are able to get most of the minor issues of this phone worked out. But I will wait and see.

I am offering my opinion based on my research. I have stated that this is only my opinion in every posts I have placed. I have not knocked you or anyone else for saying that you like the phone. Even when you claimed there were no issues! My problem is not with your completely biased, oneside, and un-object comments. It is because you go a step further an attacked the comments of people who did not offer an opinion you liked. What don't you understand about this? If you don't like someones opinion keep it to yourself. No one needs you to sort out the comments posted here.

Let people decide for themselves. They don't need you telling them that if they do not decide to buy the same thing you bought that they must be idiots. You came here looking for a debate instead of simply telling people your observations of the x10. No one here cares if you like my opinion or not. They can decide for themselves what they like or dislike.

You said you like the phone,, great,, leave it at that.

I said, I like the phone and really want it to succeed, but for the moment I am not willing to live with all of the issues. So I will take a pass for the time being.

Enough said, move on, get over it
[XPERIA X10 General] Bialynia:
You're not offering an opinion, you're the definition of a troll. You don't own the phone but claim to not want to buy it because of "issues" that you claim others have posted about but that you yourself cannot articulate. Read what I wrote, respond accordingly and stop it with your childish put downs. I've been on Howardforums and Esato for years and have posted the phones I've owned, I will gladly post my original R380 next to my X10 for your edification.:rolleyes: All you've shown to be in this thread is a troll. Go back to your hole so that X10 owners can discuss the phone, but if you won't then answer me this, once again, what "issues" does the X10 have due to having 1.6? Be specific. If you don't like the FEATURES the phone has, as I have said before, that's a fair criticism but you keep returning to the word "issues" with no specifics :rolleyes:, while as an actual owner, I along with countless others in this thread have vouched that phone is as flawless as any phone SE has ever released.
[XPERIA X10 General] arcticreaver:
getting heated up in here. so i think we should go back to the OP question and squash the bashings.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
LOL, you have serious

issues

! You were the first to post a comment on others opinions. Why not just keep it to yourself? Do you really think that people need you to dissect the comments of people who will not be buying this phone because of the problems it is currently experiencing.

And, since you've gone from the X10 having zero problems to now admitting their are bugs, do you really think that every potential owner will care if these bugs are related to SE, Google, or any other company?

Particularly when it will be SE's responsibility to engineer the updates to the x10, and issue the updates themselves. Since SE will not only void your warranty if your fix the bugs on your own, your phone will no longer be able to auto update.

You said "I've been on Howardforums and Esato for years ." Why don't you go back there and try to manipulate peoples thought processes? :eek:

By the way, welcome to XDA! :D
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
I agree!

I would suggest that for those interested in buying the X10 without out some of the current bugs, that they wait until the final update is released in NOVEMBER!

That is of course if the x20 is planned to be released around the same time. :p
[XPERIA X10 General] Bialynia:
Well you simply won't discuss issues or answer questions, so going on with you is fruitless. 1.6 does not have bugs, it misses some features which SE have included with their skin, do you get that? Which is why I am asking you what you are missing by not having Android 2.1 before Oct.-Dec., but you refuse to answer.

I can't keep my comments to myself when I see people bashing the phone for nonexistant reasons. :cool:

What BUGS? Not having Android 2.1 is a bug? Not having an HD camera is a bug? Please...
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
Bialynia,

LOLOLOLOL, now the X10 doesn't have any bugs again! You are priceless! :D
[XPERIA X10 General] arcticreaver:
i think the only known issues for real is the phone not being loud enough. as in call volumes.

but i will say that timescape is kinda buggy sometimes because i don't get all my updates automatically and i have to go into the app to actually see the updates. like my widget doesn't always update 100% of the time.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
A mate of mine tells me that if you set Timescape to home screen it gets a even more buggy and takes a short wait to respond. I have read some others in the forums saying pretty much the same thing. My mate compared it to delay in the X1 panels.

Have you tried it in home screen and if so did you notice this at all?
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
I agree with you. I think I will wait for the update in NOVEMBER and see what people are saying than.
[XPERIA X10 General] arcticreaver:
i'm not sure the delay counts as a bug but sometimes there is a delay. i think timescape takes a lot of processing power to run or something. because it's not smooth whatsoever. i'm not sure why some are saying that it's fast or no issues. there are issues with it. timescape is pretty buggy.

i wouldn't care if it was a 3rd party app but seeing how this is a 1st party app, i'm disappointed because 1st party app is suppose to rock.
[XPERIA X10 General] gavriel18:
I have to ask, what is everyone expecting? A bleeding edge phone to be bugless? First, its SE's first foray into android. Any time a company tries something new there are bugs. As for hardware specs, besides lacking RAM (which is not a problem for me) the specs are top notch. I am very impressed with the speed, camera and screen. Now for multitouch. Its only a downside if you want it. I didnt want it so Im happy. Plus has anyone looked at the ongoing lawsuits over multitouch? Even if it were capable why would SE jump into that firepit? I find double tap to zoom much easier or the way dolphin browser zooms. In call volume sucks, no question. Timescape and mediascape are brand new and have tons of potential, just give it time.

In conclusion, if you are hesitant to buy it, don't buy it. The first model in a series are for early adopters and understanding, intelligent folk that realize kinks need to be ironed out. So my suggestion, get an htc phone, you will be much happier...
[XPERIA X10 General] Bialynia:
LOLOLOLOL You're claiming that any bugs the phone has won't be fixed until November even though the official SE blog states otherwise! You are priceless!
[XPERIA X10 General] arcticreaver:
i think the screen will only get better with 2.1 update because 1.6 limits the screen.
[XPERIA X10 General] Bialynia:
I don't use the Timescape widget, but I honestly have no issues with mine when I open it, it is fast and works as advertised for me. I have all the updates on and no app killers present, and no Twitter.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
And, how about the on-screen keyboard? This forum is loaded with people who mention specifically that some of the keys are not recognized correctly. I know several of these people have either loaded or are considering loading the htc onscreen. Most that have loaded it say that is works "better", but is there a keyboard that works correctly for those of us that type higher volumes and would be annoyed by constant typing mistakes that are device driven?
[XPERIA X10 General] arcticreaver:
hmm i guess maybe i'm running on old firmware. i got the x10a and i don't think we've had any updates for the x10a in canada or in united states. only updates for the firmware was in sweden, some uk locations, and brazil.

i will say this though - when i flashed my x10a to x10i new firmware from baseband version 1.0.14 to 1.0.16 i saw an increase in battery life and louder volume when calling.

but since i flashed wrong i had to go back to x10a generic NA firmware and after that i saw a decrease in battery life (pretty dramatically) and lower volume on the calls.

firmware updates is always a PLUS. i can't wait for the updates.

just the other day i've experience something that totally freaked me out. no sound. i was shocked. but after powering down and turning on the phone everything was back to normal. don't know what happened. and no, it was not on silent mode lol. totally freaked me out though.
[XPERIA X10 General] arcticreaver:
the keyboard is horrid. but the HTC keyboard is way better. but i've read that a few people do like the keyboard. but for me it was not that responsive and yes, it miss typed.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
According to you what does SE claim? 4th quarter? Which is what October, November, and December. And there have been several press releases quoting SE officals as November. You just love to disagree.

Also, as a long term SE owner I would plan on January if I were you. That way when they rush out half of the fuxes on November 30th you won't feel let down. Even though once again you knock someones comments that do not agree with your rosie outlook, you think what October 1st? LOL, ok. I will wait until then. :cool:
[XPERIA X10 General] gavriel18:
htc keyboard fixes the problem. If the problem isn't fixed go through the calibration.
[XPERIA X10 General] arcticreaver:
i think SE has stated that they will also be releasing smaller updates along the way and it will lead up to the 2.1 update (major).

and seeing that different regions have seen updates recently, i can see that at least SE is keeping their word.

i have much respect for SE as i have owned 3 of there phones in the last 4 or 5 years. i just wish they show more love to NA users.
[XPERIA X10 General] Bialynia:
Some people hate it, works for me, but its customizable so if you don't like it you're not stuck with it.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
onscreen keyboard

I have to say it is good to hear users say so. I have been researching this more than anything else. I have a folder saved with several apps I will add if SE's updates work out most of the bugs. The HTC kb is one for sure.

I just really hope the SE would under promise and over deliver, just this once.

Because I really do think if the update is November, I might just wait until February.
[XPERIA X10 General] arcticreaver:
lol i think we are all hoping for them to step it up a notch.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
There is supposedly a revision scheduled for June. This happens to be the same time Adobe is to release the 10.1

I tell you if the 10.1 works without a hitch and the battery life and call volumes can be tweaked in the same revision It might be enough to move me over to the buyer column. But I am not holding my breath.

If more users that complain about the time it takes for updates and maybe hold off buying the new devices until the bugs are worked out SE might actually fix their after sales problems.

It doesn't help went owners boost about how wonderful everything is and how buggy devices don't have any problems.
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
Where'd you hear about the June revision?? Only thing I've seen is the SE blog saying that they're releasing a software update in the next couple of weeks.. that was a week ago!
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
I read a press release around a week ago. I think there is also something about it in a review I came across, I seem to remember seeing it there. I don't remember which news agency had the press release but the review can be for here. http://www.techradar.com/reviews/pho...view?artc_pg=1

Good luck.
[XPERIA X10 General] Bialynia:
Official Sony Ericsson Product Blog dated May 5, 2010:

Sony Ericsson Xperia™ X10 to get UXP upgrade in Q4 2010

Next couple of weeks would mean May 19th at the latest I presume.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
you're running out of material. :confused:
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
Dude, who do you work for? Is it SE or Google?
[XPERIA X10 General] Bialynia:
I wish! :p
[XPERIA X10 General] joel4149:
premature phone

Having the xperia x10 for about a week now, its an amazing phone, but the bugs as the battery and crappy apps, etc. makes it a premature phone, a waste of money right now, i will probably go back to the iphone for a while now.
[XPERIA X10 General] JustinL01:
Sorry I have to disagree with you and as for fm1776 I really don't think you can comment on issues when you don't actually have the phone, infact you seem to be complaining the most, even though you don't own the phone, I find that amusing!

I currently have both the X10 and the Desire. Firstly the X10, crappy apps, bugs, bad battery life, please expand? The battery life improves over a few cycles, I am comfortably getting 2 days useage now, and if you read further most people confirm it gets better with time. for a smartphone this is more than acceptable.

I have only just got the desire and will comment further when I have had a proper play. First impressions the screen is lovely however virtually unusable in bright sunlight as I experienced yesterday. Build quality is typical HTC, personally I prefer the looks and feel of the X10 but that is totally subjective!

The X10 is not perfect by any means, but from first impressions I actually think I prefer it over the Desire, please note this is first impressions and totally subjective. I don't have any problems with both mediascape and timescape. There is slight lag on inital opening of Timescape, but once the information has loaded works perfectly without any lag. As for Mediascape, works perfectly for me, great way to keep everything organised. Looking through the Desire's options, it's media capabilities fall well behind, doesn't even have a built in facility to play Podcasts and the X10 also has Media Go that works great!

The sound quality on the X10 through headphones is excellent, better than my 3gs for sure. Unlike some other people the volume is fine for me. The screen quality is excellent, where the Desire's colours are far more saturated and deeper I find the X10's to be truer and the screen is vastly better in bright light.

Anyway these are very quick comments I will add further thoughts later.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
You don't read very well. I'm not complaining about the phone at all. I think it is another amazing product by SE. I was complaining about people who are coming here for the sole purpose of engaging in debate.

If you look at the posts made by the person I engage in debate you will see that he has been a member for two weeks and he has basiocally started a debate instead of simply offering his opinion in every thread he has contributed to. There are about five threads that he has starting arguements. So what does that tell you? Now you come along and want to pick up where he left off. Really bright!

State your opinion about the phone and let others state their own opinions. I have stated that I did not buy the phone yet, and that I am waiting for SE to work out some of the bugs that would effect my personal sense of enjoying this product. So anyone reading my comments could decide for them selves if I have a valid point or not based on this knowledge. Readers do not need you to point out what has already been stated!

My issues with the X10 goes beyond the bugs. As a long time SE owner of several flag ship products I am well aware of what to expect in terms of revisions and updates. This is my "complaint". And, I have more experience them most when it comes to this continued SE short coming. And, I am in a perfect position to comment on this.

There are known bugs with the phone that I have taken a wait and see stance. I am also letting it be known to any SE people that come here that I am tired of having to wait forever and a day for them to address the bugs. I believe if more people would stand up and be heard on the subject SE would come to realize that they are alienating their customer base by not offering better customer after care.

I think anyone buying this phone should research for themselves the know issues with the phone and decide for themselves if they mind or not living with these problems or not. I will wait until the update that is due out in NOVEMBER has actually been sent, and I will see if the known issues are resolved to my satisfaction before I buy this phone! This is my advise to anyone considering purchasing this product.
[XPERIA X10 General] raundown:
Its good to have people like you. I'm not a long term customer of the SE, but after I had my X1 which is my first SE phone and seeing complaints coming from other customers, I didn't like the idea of buying another SE products again. However I couldnt resists the temptation of X10. I really hate this part of me lol.

SE deserves to be 'punish' for what that did to their customers. My personal experience is the X1. A lot of the phone's features were barely usable due and they stopped supporting it within a year's time. Who doesn't feel betrayed by that?

The X10 has been a great phone to me so far, but there are still things that need to be fixed and improve. For those who said the phone is bug free are really, well, either you're a fan of SE who are so blinded by their charm or you just want to believe so badly that you spent your money right. Self assurance, very classic consumer's behaviors. I do not like the idea of being a fan boy. Why do I need to be loyal to a company who wants my money and advertise for them for free which they dont entirely deserved?

SE promised us they will continue to support the phone for awhile. Of course I'm happy about that, but I'm really hoping that they will keep their promise and not phasing the model out so quickly, again. My patience isnt eternal for them to toy with.
[XPERIA X10 General] Bialynia:
Don't feed the troll.
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
Think we're drifting a little off topic here gents!

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Sent from my X10i
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
It is so funny how you have used the same childish response in how many different threads now?

Why did you join XDA? You sound like one of those people that needs to be the expert about any given subject.

In every thread you have contributed to you find a way to have a problem with something someone has said.

People using this site are intelligent enough to determine which comments they deem valuable or not on their own. They do not need you or any other arm chair engineer coming here and confronting every comment that doesn't meet their idea of perfection.

Why not start your own site where users are only permitted to post comments that you agree with?
[XPERIA X10 General] raundown:
Its kewl the thread starter has bought his phone. :-)
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
You are hitting the nail on the head from my point of view. I am also an X1 owner. As well as the p900 and p910. And, what you have described about your X1 experience is the exact same thing that happened with those two phone. In fact as long as I have owned SE this is exactly the same issue.

So, on this X10 I have decided to wait for the fixes and updates to be issued before I consider buying it. I love the comments from some X10 owners who are satisfied with there phones, great for them. However, the bugs on this device are too closely related to the reason I would buy it. So I will wait and see what happens.
[XPERIA X10 General] raundown:
No you're the one whos trolling. Youre the kinda person who'd call someone who doesnt share the same religion or belief with you an infidel.
[XPERIA X10 General] Higgins12:
One of the biggest Issue is the old Android Version on the Phone. 1.6 out of the Box and 2.1 at Q4 ? Common that's just ridiculous. At the End of the Year Android might be having Version 2.3 at least or even maybe 2.4

I bought the Phone a bit too fast , was excited about the looks and didn't think much (big mistake) , i wont say that i don't like the Phone. It is a "eye catcher" at least as long the Battery keeps going and for me that's max 10 Hours with one charge.

As it looks we won't get Root on the Phone too and coming from a HTC Magic i miss having Root and installing every ROM we want. The updates from SE rolling out slow. My X10 has R1FA014 and whenever i check with SEUS = no new updates available.

If you don't care about having the newest OS on your Phone the X10 surely is something worth to buy.
[XPERIA X10 General] fm1776:
The psp took three month's to root I think. I have been following the threads and there are some pretty bright people working over time on it. It sure would make me feel better about the X10 knowing that I could work out every issue bothering me on my own. Even if that means I would not be able to auto update any more.

I did root my X1, which was great after I work out a few of bugs myself. I would have been fairly disappointed had I needed to wait a year for SE to only fix what they deemed necessary. I really hope for everyone that this is not the case for the X10. But I wouldn't bet my money on it.

There should always be a thread on XDA that only has the latest cooked updates in historical order. That way we wouldn't need to scourer the earth looking for what we don't have.
[XPERIA X10 General] Bialynia:
Try some reading comprehension before throwing out stupid analogies like that. As I've said their are countless reasons to prefer other phones over the x10.
[XPERIA X10 General] Bialynia:
You refuse to engage in a discussion about the specifics and instead attack me personally based on the length of time I have been a member of XDA or by liying about this being my first phone, purposfully misstating what I've said etc. While I continually ask you specific phone related questions which you ignore, and you ignore it when I catch you liying or misstating facts, that's a definition of a troll.
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
Can you all please stop *****ing about each other.. you're starting to sound like girls!... This is a forum for mobile phone discussions.. Please try to stay on topic.
[XPERIA X10 General] raundown:
yea i knw you said that before, Im just picking on the fact you said the phone is bugless before, and how you tried to stop me agreeing with fm1776, so that stupid analogies of mine fits you perfectly, what does that make you?

i cant keep up with your childishness, enjoy telling the world about your one and only bugfree x10
[XPERIA X10 General] raundown:
yea i'll stop i cant keep up with that person lol
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
Thanks! !!!!
[XPERIA X10 General] Bialynia:
I never said the phone was bugless, fm1776 said I did. This is what I actually said:

I actually mention a bug in that post, but you know, whatever.