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[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xcom923:
While I don't really post a lot I do figure I'd put my 2 cents on the topic. I've been a member of the XDA community for a really really long time and I don't think it's fair for anyone to say that windows mobile is not relevant anymore. Especially with all the great cooks on XDA we've been able to keep winMo alive for much longer than it should. I currently have an ATT tilt (kaiser) and I update the OS frequently and I've never felt that windows lagged to far behind Android or Iphone "in terms of features". I think you guys are forgetting a couple things about winMo

1. Yes it did create the smartphone market as you know it today, All these APPs that are out now are just APPlications that have been on WinMo for ages (of course RIM had share in that as well) PLUS keep in mind that there have been marketplaces for WinMo which makes the OS just as Open as Android, the difference is how much control developers have with the guts of the phone.

2. XDA has always been WinMo centric so everyone around here saying that the idea of putting WinMo on an Evo is dumb is missing out on what makes this site so great, On the flip side I've used Android on my kaiser (tilt) and it runs pretty well.

3. WinMo is by far not dead, even know more ROMs are being released by the day each one better than the last (well....usually)

I did have a few other reasons why it's not Stupid to put WinMo on Evo but I can't quite remember them as I type this (I have a horrible short term memory) But at the same time the WinMo Fanboys that don't want to transition to Android should listen up (from someone who has used both):

1. The transition isn't really that hard, at first you'll miss the buttons then you'll get use to the layout (as with any new phone)

2. Want access to files? There is an APP for that....(couldn't help not having that ref.)

3. Android does what WinMo started but is doing it much better, WinMo seems to want to play catchup to Apple and pretty much abandoned us developers (in my eyes) in favor of I-candy. Android will make a nice home for any winMo "classic" user since it's very similar.

4. HTC did a lot of work with customizing WinMo and Android to have the same interface, if you used touchflow which pretty much turned into sense (or used SPB mobile shell with sense) you won't have a hard time with the Evo since it'll be just a more advanced version of what you're used to.

Anyway that's what I had to say on the matter. I hope I could douse the flaming going on here a little here.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] clamknuckle:
Windows Phone 7 is going to be Microsofts version of the iPhone. If you want that, then more power to you. It will probably be just as hackable as the iPhone (which really isnt that much, when you compare it to WinMo 6.x or Android)

The whole spirit and point of these forums is to take the hardware we purchased, and do WHATEVER we want with it. If I want to load an AOSP rom on my Hero, I can. Hell, if I want to run a MyTouch3gSlide rom on my Hero, I can.

If you think for a second that you will be able to do that with Windows Phone 7, you're just refusing to realize that we are a minority in the cellphone market, and Microsoft does not care. They are about trying to market a phone to the masses, and your average joe has no clue that he could do the things possible with Android or WinMo 6.x.

WP7 is going to be a closed environment, with some minor hackage (I'm sure someone will figure out how to load apps on an SD card, etc) but if you're most certainly not going to be able to chose from 15-20 different roms any given week or cook your own.

I adored WinMo 6.x (and even 5), because I could do a new rom every day if I wanted, and I could change icons, basically, do whatever I wanted. But when I saw what MS planned for WP7, I went full time into Android (I had a Hero on my second line but my focus was the TP2). Android is where it's at for people like us. Windows Phone has gone in a new direction, and I'm not following.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xcom923:
Those are my exact thoughts on the matter. I loved winMo for the customization factor and even the way it was hackable but with winMo 7 coming out and going the way of the "iphone" I can't stick with it. I was waiting for a good Android phone to come to ATT but it looks like Evo is as good as it's gonna get for a while and ATT still refuses to carry Android devices (for the most part) so it's time to leave my carrier of....8+ years and move to sprint.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Hammerfest:
Would love to have the HD2 and be able to use android, and the Evo and be able to use WinMo 6.x (not WP7, its ****)

I just dont agree with the $10 addon for EVERYONE considering 4G is 15~ miles away, and i have to use an Airave at home/work since even though its covered on the map from sprint, NO SIGNAL... Q_Q
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xcom923:
actually the $10 add-on is not just for 4g is to remove the data cap on the sprint plans. The data cap is at 5GB. Of course they don't really mention that but there is an article on AndroidPolice.com about why they have that "premium"
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bobdude5:
1. Having acess to system files: theres A TON of file managers and a bunch of terminal emulators

2. Zip and rar capablities: theres apps for that too

3. Tethering: thers apps for that too lol..and in android 2.2 its built into the OS for wifi hotspots and usb tethering

4. Word: theres an app for that along with powerpoint, excel, spreadsheet and more

so dont feel uneasy, you'll be fine

All this one touch access you say about windows mobile is because of HTC, not stock windows mobile and its ALL available on android and MORE. Its your setup. Bookmarks, contacts, folders, facebook twitter email All in in one widget, music, one click access to bluetooth wifi gps brightness, turning on your phones camera flash, disabling and enabling 3g, weather, time, shortcuts to all your apps, music playlists, picture frame, wallpaper, live wallpaper, search, youtube recording and searching, sticky notes, news, instant tethering, cpu monitoring, dictionary

all that and more can be accessible on your homescreen depending on how you customize it. And there are apps for different homescreens and launchers that let you have even more homescreens than stock

android is much more versatile than windows mobile dude dont worry..your sons hero is probably on android 1.5..its going to much better on the evo trust me
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] easyc:
I, too, am hopeful for a WinMo 6.5.X port to the EVO.

Android is the single reason I haven't pre-ordered the EVO. I don't hate the OS, but there's still much more I can do on WinMo than Android. I know a bunch of the android fanboys will be quick to shout "There's an app for that" and blah blah blah. That's all fine and dandy, but WinMo's apps have been tried and tested. I'd rather have an app that I know works than someone's weekend project.

That said, I like the ability to choose what shell I'd like to run. There are many different variants on WinMo (sense, mobileshell, etc). With Android, I'm stuck to the mobileshell desktop/widget style. One of these days, I'll probably just develop my own shell to suit what I want. I can do that on WinMo.

So add me to the list of people waiting for a WinMo port.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] davebu:
Install sweeter home beta 2 on it look around for the winmo themes, they have titanium and touchflo3d on there. some of the widgets are paid widgets since it cant use the sense ones.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xcom923:
Actually there are plenty of "shells" for Android, arguably more so then winMo. it seems to me you haven't really looked that much into Android. I'm in the same boat as you but I did run android on my ATT tilt for a while before finally switching back to winMo ONLY because Bluetooth wasn't working on android for my phone.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Sawawa:
There aren't enough WTFs in the world.

So much fail in this thread.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bcpk:
I'll get right on it once I've finished porting MS-DOS to my car stereo.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chippillie:
I used to love winmo until I tried android. There is no way I will ever go back to winmo not even for a free phone. Saying that there is alot more you can do with winmo is just you saying that you don't know a lot a bought Android and are afraid of change. If that's the case than more power to you but you are going to find it harder and harder to get a good phone from any carrier with winmo on it.

The more companies going after the same market share the better for the consumer.So I am not trying to bash you guys that are still holding on to other OS's. Unless you are a I Phone fanboy that is! I think the open platform of android will win out.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scrizz:
Since android has Logmein now.

I can change to it from WinMo, yay! :D ;)

still waiting for teamviewer
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Flips4me@hotmail.com:
Hesitant

I have been a winmo fan forever. There are just so many things you can do with it to customize it the way you want it.

I also find myself being one of the first ones to get a new winmo device when it comes out. I was actually very excited when I heard that they were coming out with a new version...... until I saw it. I knew then that I could not do the things I am used to doing with my phone with this new version. sniff.

I am switching to the Evo, although not 100% sure if I will like it. I did find that there are apps for pretty much everything I want to do. (Except a .tiff viewer. Hopefully one will come soon.)

I feel for those of you who are like me and absolutely love the flexibility we have with our winmo phones. But.....We have to embrace new technology or get left behind.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BigSK225:
Maybe someone can get Danger OS running on the Evo!!!!:D
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Manicmobileaddict:
Point me to some? The market? Got any screenshots?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Manicmobileaddict:
In the market? Got any screenshots?
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eigerzoom:
first

you cant search marketplace without the phone app

!FAIL

second

show me a bluetooth keyboard and mouse app in one.

a usb keyboard app

a guitar tuner

gps weather radar

video out

custom camera settings

and a flashlight

i'm not saying there is or isn't these type of apps

i just have no way to know whats out there

serious fail imo

i just still get the impression there are no features to live up to wm

when it comes to customization there is no comparison

i think people are foolish to slap the hand of the windows mobile community

have a look around this very website you are browsing

custom roms for wm have proven incredibly reliable

you might be saying android is the wave of the future

i'm saying wm is peaking NOW...

maybe you dont need maximum versatility from the device

you are ignorant to knock on others who do

i hope someone does tackle porting wm to native android devices

i for one would consider purchasing such a device so i could continue the wm path

until then...my touch pro with a 3000mah battery and more programs installed (for free) than any android device could ever hope to be today, will remain in my hands

unless i feel confident an android device will fulfill my needs for customization

from what i have seen...its getting closer...but not there

i'm not going to drop my wallet on new technology when its not even up to speed with my current two year old device

are you kidding?

plunges are for people who cant swim
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Stank0:
I was hesitant to make the change myself too. I always had some kind of windows device. It started with Casio Cassiopeia back in year 2000 (which was "just" PDA). Samsung i730, Kaiser, Raphael. Then I jumped the wagon and bought iPhone. WHat a world of difference. Say anything you want and you might be right but on iPhone everything just WORKS.

On WM I've had to tweak and adjust, flash and then tweak some more.

While it's fun for a while and customization is a wonderful thing, after some time it's just time consuming annoyance. I dreamed of a device I could customize to my likings and then just USE.

I loved and missed winmo that much that I gave my iPhone to my girlfriend and bought HD2.

Then I finally realized what all those people mean when they saying winmo is dead.

The difference was astonishing. I never realized it when I was ON winmo. But with my new HD2 I was trying to find the apps that I used on iPhone.

Windows Marketplace is a joke. I installed winmo version of Weatherbug I extensively use for my job (truck driver). That was a disaster. Weatherbug on iPhone is refined and easy to use and one can actually SEE the roads and cities on the map. On winmo (which has bing maps) the font is so small, it's almost impossible to read anything even on that bigass screen of HD2. Changing locations? 10 taps.

That's just for illustration.

There is no new (or very few) applications developed for winmo anymore. Skype quit, Nimbuzz quit... everyone is jumping the ship.

So I took the plunge and decided to try that new EVO everyine was talking about.

Man can I say I'll never look back!

Again just for illustration. Weatherbug for android is best of them all. It tracks your position by GPS and switches your location automatically! What a great help!!! Interface isn't that refined as the one as the iPhone's one but still MUCH better than winmo which interface looked like some grad student science project.

Google maps with navigation is amazing too. Although I have standalone GPS device, to be able to see satellite image of where you're headed is totally another ballpark.

Almost all the apps I installed so far on android beat the hell out of the winmo versions (if there are any).

The point I'm trying to make is: It was fun while it lasted. There is new ballplayer and he's gonna get only better. The old one is out of steam. Let's let him retire and die with honors he deserves.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] eigerzoom:
in defense of wm

its your own fault if you haven't heard of gps weather radar for wm

as far as gps apps...there is garmin and tomtom which i found for free

yes it took a while to get all the customizations just right on wm and to find a stable rom

like 23053...i used 23053 forever...since it came out last august...

only recently have i upgraded from that solid release

windows mobile is pretty fail...but if you aren't a typical idiot...it works out great with MANY advantages over the rest

once you find a stable rom...there really isn't any issues

there are more apps for wm than anything else imo

here is me laughing at all you sprint users who think 4g is so great

as proven the speeds are pretty crappy...and coverage is horrible

but thank you for supporting its devolpment i guess with your capital

i'll wait until its more solid and actually worth it

my $30 sero plan and a solid wm rom is working without a hitch

did i mention all my apps were free or designed by donation

i also drive for a living...
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gbm85:
Enjoy your SERO cuz I can guarantee that it is going bye-bye when WP7 comes out. Hope WM6.5 is awesome enough to last you through the rest of this century. Cuz it'll have to...
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Stank0:
I didn't say I haven't heard of gps weather radar for winmo. Weatherbug uses gps. But on winmo doesn't follow you and update your position without any input from your side.

I do have standalone gps. Garmin 465T AND not so long ago I decided to "upgrade" to Rand McNally T700. I wanted to sell my Garmin but I'll have to keep it because RM is sooo unfinished yet. So now I'm using THREE gps units.

Today I was driving Laredo - McKinney - Dallas and ONLY EVO with Google Navigation got it right and gotten me EXACTLY where I needed to go.

Satellite imagery makes it so much easier too.

True. Sprint coverage is not that great but it is way much better than T-Mobile. I was on ATT the longest and it's pretty good but unfortunately they don't carry EVO. It's not only about 4G. EVO is an amazing phone in every aspect.

Frankly, for me, I didn't find any major advantages in winmo over Android.

And I truly miss some apps from iPhone. Like TruckStops. I miss that app dearly. If it was on winmo, I'd probably decided to keep my HD2.

I was also a winmo fanboy. Until I saw android. IMHO there isn't anything winmo can do android can't do better.

AND there are actually apps being DEVELOPED for android.

I know there is a plenty of applicatons for winmo. Well, it was around since, what, year 2000?? (of course I know it wasn't winmo in year 2k. That was Windows CE)

And, btw, how long do you think winmo 6.5.x is gonna survive? WP7 is coming and I'm NOT jumping on THAT boat! I could've kept my iPhone and be better off than be on WP7.

So where is the future in winmo? There is none. Android is the future whether we like it or not.

*Sorry for OT parts*
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wildcard:
I used to be a hardcore windows mobile fan, and I wasn't sure about the EVO (coming from TP2)... however, I made the switch and I love it!!

I used to love the customization of WinMo... custom roms, etc.... I didn't want to give that up. But I'll tell you, there is way more customization with Android and a bigger community!

Anything you can do with WinMo you can do with Android and if you like the customizability of WinMo, android is even better! I wish i had changed sooner... well no, i don't because then i wouldn't have had an EVO on launch day
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Manicmobileaddict:
I have made the switch to Android with my EVO and it sucks!!!!! I am stuck with someone else's opinion of how my UI should be configured. I could care less about most of the 35000 apps in the market. Winmo is not dead. Two new phones have just recently been released since I got my EVO. Microsoft is still developing it only now strictly to business users. What does that tell you? They know Android, iphone and their new wp7 are toys. Wp7 will probably go the way of kin.

All I want is to be able to get all the important info I need to use on one main screen. Screw flipping from screen to screen. I did that on winmo years ago and decided that ui wasn't for me. I want functionality, productivity, and effieciency and I want it ergonomically.

Google maps with my gps worked everybit as good on winmo as it does on my EVO. Sprint navigation with voice directions did too.

Android, even with it's 7 screens can't get as much on there as winmo can on just one screen. Even 6.0 had the capability.

Yes, Microsoft's market is behind. That's becuase they did not see a reason to control what people put on their phones like iphone and

Android do. Just now someone realized the advantage of not being controlled in the Android market and you can now get around the certification needed to install apps so you can finally put other apps on it. If you have half a brain you can find sites where you can get thousands of winmo apps (even mobile freindly so you don't need a pc to install).

The only reason for Microsoft's market and wp7 is because they finally decided to jump on the band wagon and appeal to the ignorant masses that fall for fads. There is serious money in that. Well the other reason is that they have internal turmoil and keep making bad decisions. Their marketing doesn't seem to be working either and that is important as evidenced by Palm. That ghostly model couldn't sell a phone, they should've just shown the capabilities of the phone off more.

Believe me if Microsoft starts marketing winmo to the masses again (for now they've changed the name to embedded window something or other and only market to businesses) HTC will make their next bad ass phone for it. Sense is proof of that. All they get to do for Android is give you the clock and weather widget (and more screens due to Android limitations) while on winmo they give you that plus the calendar, the links and the slider with all it's widgets. Tell me they don't like showing off how they can make someone else's UI much better and on winmo they get to becuase the OS is better and allows it.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xcom923:
You haven't seemed to have found the right home screen for Android yet. I will admit it does take time but after some research you can get your phone to display whatever you want on it. I was using sbp mobile shell before so I got used to the multiple screens. I do feel what toured saying and at a time I felt the same way, but when I got a wallpaper I wanted to look at the multiple screens became very useful.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nebenezer:
rdp to my win7 machine, ftw

works well enough on 3g, over wifi its truly amazing
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Manicmobileaddict:
I could care less about backgrounds. If I want to look at pictures I'll pull out my wallet instead of my phone. That does seem to be what the Android community calls customization. Changing your background and putting new shortcuts or widgets on your screen in the same old predetermined gridwork is not my idea of customization.

Honestly, I don't even care that much about customization either. I just want all the tools I need on one screen or at least as close to that one screen as possible and winmo has exactly what I want. I can't find it on Android. I should have just gotten the

TP2 since I have sprint, but it's hard not to want the next best thing and the HD2 and EVO were just such a huge jump. I almost went to Tmobile for the HD2, but I've been with Sprint for about 13 years and have a family plan and I've never had any problems with them and the price is right.
[EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Drewmungus:
HTC did way more than just clock and weather widget. Go to add widget and look at everything that says HTC on it. They also did a ton more stuff that you can feel free to google.

Sounds like you guys might like installing different launchers and stuff like apps organizer if you want way more stuff on the first screen.

Have you guys who want the super customizations looked at rooting and installing roms and theme's?