yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] outerdepth:
Yeah, man, that's cool, but it's not actually transparent. You have a pic NRG made with a taskbar background to match and a soft key bar that matches. So, it looks like it, but change that wallpaper and it ain't gonna look so cool anymore,but I DO like the clock cab. Thanks, it's cool. I still am on the search for something that will work on my phone with NRG's ROM(other than HDWalls). Sir Phunkee has posted some cabs, I haven't gotten time to play with them yet, but I plan on it this weekend. So, hopefully they will work.

:cool:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] outerdepth:
UPDATE!!

So, I wanted to say that I did try these apps you posted with no luck for any of them on any of NRG's Roms. I guess his stuff is proprietary over everything accept HDWalls.

If you or anyone else has any ideas or suggestions on where I could possibly find this, please share.:confused:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] sirphunkee:
Well sometime in the past day or two, I came across THIS thread, with what may be a workable alternative for "transparent" task and softkey bars. I haven't gotten a chance to try it out myself, but you're welcome to give it a shot
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] outerdepth:
Tried it already too!

No luck with that one either. I am still looking all over the internet besides here. Hopefully somebody will figure out something.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] sirphunkee:
I'm sorry man :( I wish I had other alternatives for you.

I'm assuming you've already asked over in the NRG ROM thread?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] Putra:
Go here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=660557

for transparent task and menu bars. Works for my 6.5
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] XxsydenxX:
Hey everyone, I'm posting this to gather information about Android Multitasking.

I have used android since i had my G1, I am now on a g2, otherwise known as the HTC HERO.

In my opinion android multitasks beautifully when we talk about speed! It doesn't however manage it's open applications well at all. I mean switching to a application which is open in the background is tough. Pressing and holding the home button gives you a menu to RECENTLY open applications which doesn't conform to what IS open at that very moment. And the task bar notifications dont really give you a full list of all applications open..only apps that support it.

With the iphone really gathering it's bearings, and beginning to multitask [kinda better multitasking management then android imo] Im beginning to waver in my support for android.

I can imagine if holding the home button brought up a card view like webOS, giving you a preview of all the open applications in the background. Or something similar. I mean if HTC sense has a pinch gesture to view home screen in a hard view environment, i don't see what's stopping android from having a more polished and robust multitasking experience.

What are your thoughts on this?
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] hexix:
the iphone 4 implementation looks to be exactly what you are complaining about with android. it offers a list of recently used apps. with iphone none of the apps stay running, they have background services that an app can start but the app will close. Android is similar. the ui for an app isnt necessarily running. it will be killed by the os and started again when you ask to see it.

WebOS does actually show you exactly what is running. I havent used a webos device for an extended period of time, but it dies seem their card metaphor is the easiest to understand for users. if your phone is slow just look at the cards you have open and flick some out.

I agree with your point though, i find the android app switcher inadequate. Far too often the app i want to get back to is no longer in the list. i think the iphone will have the same issue unless their list can grow very long.

It'd solve a lot if the android switcher had a button to pull up the app drawer.

Sent from my Nexus One using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] XxsydenxX:
Yeah I suppose you're right, but i cant help but think the iphone will just be better at it then android.

Other then that. Yes Android really needs to polish it's multi tasking system.

EDIT: Also, I have used WebOS and honestly it's a superior mobile platform to android [imo]. It's community however is not as enriched as the android one and there aren't as many apps available for the palm pre. Palm really screwed themselves over limiting it to one phone...it would have been a strategic move to stop manufacturing phones and start working on EXPENSIVE palm software like webOS
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Kiiv:
Or maybe you can try AppSwipe! :)
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] the_fish:
There's also a nice app (imo) from a user on here, he tried to mimic the webOS cards system, and is doing pretty well until now. No previews yet but its still a nice powerful task manager that views icon in a nice view and has launch on search / camera button press too!

It's called TaskOS!
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] XxsydenxX:
I've tried both task os and app swipe and still...they are both very unpolished multitasking management systems =/

I hope eventually something will come along.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] derekwilkinson:
I came from the Palm Pre before I got my HTC Hero, and multitasking was wayyyy better than Android. In fact, if the Pre wasn't so slow, I would have kept it over the HTC Hero. It took me over a minute to open Google Maps... with nothing else running! (and the keyboard sucked)
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] tdusen:
Dxtop has a second App Drawer that does just that. It works great.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] XxsydenxX:
Eh, that shows background services like home and what not..

Personally I'd like to disable the drawer from showing apps on my ignore list
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] blaboy51:
what would be nice is if you held home then cards poped up like in webos and showed your running apps with a preview pic of the app
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] XxsydenxX:
YEah thats something to look forward too.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] blaboy51:
but for that to happen google probley would have to add that in there rom in a update :( hopefuly it'll happen
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] teddypepper52:
nice idea. I wish i knew how to make it happen.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=668232
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] grumpySasquatch:
Wow i was just thinking the same thing today, (i used to own a pre) But check out TaskOS in the market guys!!! It's legit, almost exactly the same as cardview on webos except it just shows icons instead of real time view.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] miketlo:
If you want a nice way to switch apps without the stupid home key crap just install advanced task killer and switch the default click option to switch too instead of select/unselect. Its one swipe down for the notifications, one click on atk, and one more click on the app you want. Its not as good as webOS but its the best method I can find for now. I also leave a shortcut to atk on my home screen.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] cmart207:
there is also MultiTask Manager. Once again not as good as WebOS card view but its more like an Iphone multitask thing. I think I like TaskOS the best. Well I'm not allowed to post links because of new member thing so just look it up.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] williscool:
It wouldn't be hard if you can get live preview's of the application windows.

I've been searching google for "android sdk live preview" and the like for a while though and its not looking good :(
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] cheve:
can the current state of multi-tasking allows, for example, one uses the phone with the speaker while trying to look up some info/or do something with another application(eg, look up notes that you have written down from an application)?

cheers
[HD2 General] goldt:
I just got contacted by HTC representative who asked me to verify my serial number and he mentioned that they finally realized that there is a problem with sms freezing and UI sense and are working hard to fix it. He doesn't know when this update will be available. I did tell him that new iphone is coming out soon they better fix it now or else :D

Keep calling htc and tmo to expedite this
[HD2 General] dkb218:
Sure!!! We have nothing better to do than call HTC. I mean there really is no other way around this problem...

Wait, there's this site called "XDA Developers". They are kinda new so they might not be on the internet yet. They make these custom ROM thingings that fix a lot of HTC Sense problems. :D
[HD2 General] brownhornet:
But let some folks on here tell it there wasnt a problem.. it was just "user error."
[HD2 General] rickyoon.vegas:
But custom ROM doesn't fix the sms problems.

But it's more of an annoyance than a problem to begin with. I just delete my texts every 60-80 messages right after syncing with MyPhone.
[HD2 General] toreone:
Pretty Good

You have a pretty good answer for that guy! All most people need to do is put a little research into their phone. Its not that hard to scope out this website and find all kinds of guidance and wisdom. Especially from the senior members. :cool:
[HD2 General] goldt:
Mr stock broker with no free time, we'll have to wait just a bit more, since none of the new ROM's have completely fixed this problem and from what i can tell its there.

I hope i didn't waist your time but if i did i will send you a check, what is is going rate on wall street these days? ;)
[HD2 General] earhog:
Get roms without htc messaging
[HD2 General] goldt:
This is a top of a line phone and i am not turning anything off, they have to fix it, and i hate that regular sms client.
[HD2 General] adamhlj:
Will this update be on HTC's website or T-mobile's? I find that both websites are very difficult to find anything on.
[HD2 General] DECIM8:
At the same time that I wish they would rush an update out, I hope they take their time and properly fix some of the most prevalent problems with the UI. SMS in general and emails not deleting properly from the HTC UI top my list. Most everything else I have found a fix for.
[HD2 General] steve austin:
Bravo my friend. Bravo. I don't understand the ease at which people give up on their right as a customer to be at least satisfied - not even overwhelmed - with the product that they buy. I spent too much money to have to scavenger hunt a fix that is officially not even available yet. Yes, I love XDA, but I should not have to come here for THE BASICS. Sms problems and music glitches that are proprietary?!?!? C'mon. You should come here for advanced tweaks not this BS.

I just called HTC and complained. They said that they are well aware of the problems. There will be a fix, but T-mo has to approve it. It is "supposed" to address: music lag, sms lag and additional sms problems. I was told to monitor this site for the fix: http://www.t-mobile.com/wmupgrade/

They do not know when it is coming, but they are getting "bombarded" I was told. As the original poster said: Keep calling.
[HD2 General] Raadius:
Maybe HTC should change there catch phrase from "A Phone that gets YOU" to "Got a problem? Flash your ROM".
[HD2 General] Snarksneeze:
I for one am glad to see that HTC and T-Mobile haven't abandoned their new clients. If the iPhone has taught us anything, it's that customers are much more likely to sue a company if that company admits to a few small errors. Today it's hard to find a company that will update new equipment without solid reason.

But I am very glad to be a member of these forums, where I don't have to wait for the corporate red-tape to be cut and discarded to get my phone fixed :D
[HD2 General] KidTech:
Wait, what about those people who dont want to flash or even know anything about XDA? A phone shouldnt have to be lets say hacked to work properly or have the warranty voided to work properly :)
[HD2 General] KidTech:
And let your warranty be voided...
[HD2 General] Nibbley15:
As much as I laughed at this, if it was perfect to begin with then we might be pretty bored here at XDA :D
[HD2 General] KidTech:
I just an email from HTC and they told me to watch T-mobile WMupgrade site..Lets see what will happened.
[HD2 General] steve austin:
a sad pattern forming

I just read on pocketnow.com the the euro hd2 is JUST NOW getting an update to stop the music play lag time and skipping. This phone has been out since november overseas. Most of the hot fixes that I have seen on the original hd2 site are the EXACT problems we are now experiencing with the US version.

It is unacceptable to me to have this blatant negligence. We are breaking our necks trying to tweak and hone this phne to the best of its capabilities, but we are doomed to fail because it was shipped - intentionally - flawed. Not even with new flaws but KNOWN pre-existing flaws. :mad: I don't find this to be cool in the least.

You would think that given so much time in between the euro and US version introductions that there would honestly be chages made so that the next customers truly get a better experience. It appears that HTC just randomly slapped the 2.0 verion on the software and gave it their blessing. This will be my last phone by this company.
[HD2 General] steve austin:
Overseas, they are just getting a music hot fix 5 months after the introduction of the phone. I am sure there were more than 10 people that complained about the problem. That we here in the states don't have an update up on the site already is ridiculous since htc AND t-moblie knew the sofware was going to react with glitches from the start. We are mirrioring te errors that the first HD2 had. Lets see how long they make us wait.
[HD2 General] mvaughan06:
ya, i agree with some of the other posts on this thread. why should we pay top dollar for the "lastest and greatest" only to search other means for solutions to known problems. i've flashed my rom, but it's still not 100% there, the messaging lags and my data connection goes back and forth all day and i could be sitting in the same spot.

there is no reason i should have to do a bunch of technical crap to this phone to get it to simply function correctly when its supposed to be the best offering by tmobile to date. i mean, i didn't by a barebones computer system here.

i purchased one for my fiance, and she throws fits about it on a daily basis. "i want my iphone back." i cant say the iphone is a better phone, but at least it does what it says it does, usually without problems. i on the otherhand have tweaked mine and far more tech savy, so i understood what i'm getting myself into. but that's not the point, this phone shouldnt be the way it is, and these problems being treated the way they are.
[HD2 General] efjay:
Despite such shocking and shoddy behaviour from HTC, all you will hear from the tech sites and fans are how fantastic Sense is at covering up WM, how "cool" the weather effects are, etc, etc. People seem to have been blinded by the eye candy to see the fact that HTC Sense is a poor piece of software, capable of crippling a device like the HD2 which should give people pause, and they are not a good company when it comes to supporting their products, and I for one am glad we will see the back of their bloated, buggy, ram-hogging interface on Windows Phone 7.
[HD2 General] steve austin:
This is my first experience with it. Looking at the European site today and seeing how these problems were not addressed before they shipped it out to us really had me irritated. I think the thing that makes me even more irate is that either they have their tech people blatantly lie about not hearing about these types of problems or they never told them that "you might hear a few complaints about this. There will be a fix posted on X date".

The reps appear to be utterly clueless, but these problems were observable with the original ROM. HTC has no regard for their customers and I am beyond displeased by this display.

Like I said before, I am stubborn. I will not give up the phone, plus I am outside of the time frame to return it. I go all out with accessories, tweaking, forum watching and more importantly - spreading a good word about a product. My circle of friends who were waiting to buy this phone (10 deep), were waiting on my conclusion and overall impressions of the phone. I can't in good conscience tell them to get this. Seeing how these problems were known already and they still gave us all this dreck I will tell them to not only skip the HD2, but HTC altogether. My credibility will be shot.
[HD2 General] fabian21:
the htc messaging is what pisses me off as well as the email deleting in htc sence doesnt work.
[HD2 General] steve austin:
when i called htc the "tech" asked me was i having problems with deleting messages. I told her that I read that a possible fix to the buggy nature of the messaging would be to delte messages. I said I refused. a 1gh phone should have no problem with it. She said good for you. I said why? She said your messages come back and don't get truly deleted on most of the phones. A new glitch i did not know about.

this proprietary software is horrid. i keep coming back to this thread just to make sure my disappointment is justified. it is.
[HD2 General] dwright48:
the best way to fix the problem is to put android w/sense, instead of wm. can anyone with that type of talent need can please get on it.
[HD2 General] jubeh:
Take a look at this, it might be just the thing you're looking for!

http://tiny.cc/r8ly7
[HD2 General] Wil Badger:
Way to cut a paste spam that around the forums........
[HD2 General] jiggahj:
hope

I hope everyone is copy and pasting these are arguments, dislikes and complaints, on that htc complaint site ill find the link later.
[HD2 General] Raadius:
I'm seriously considering getting one, I'm on my second HD2, same problems as my first one. I've been with Tmobile for 7 years, I don't want to leave them but the Nexus One seems to be my only option at this point. I don't want to wait for an Android rom on this, people are talking about it could be up to a year before it's release. While official WP7 upgrade was shot down, duck hunt style, I'm kinda over an unofficial WP7 upgrade, plus the look seems blah, so Im getting off the hype train.
[HD2 General] zarathustrax:
If you don't like WinMo, you shouldn't keep your HD2. By time there's a functional android port, there will be much nicer android phones for probably every carrier. If you want android now and want to stay with t-mobile, the N1 is definitely your best choice.
[HD2 General] egzthunder1:
Why has the conversation in this thread shifted to an Android vs WM debate again?
[HD2 General] sirphunkee:
Apple sued Microsoft who sued Google who sued XDA, claiming that if we disucss WM in any thread we have to give equal time to android fans...so apparently we're legally obligated to this, that's why we see it ALL THE DAMN TIME now :rolleyes:
[HD2 General] KidTech:
I'm thinking about selling my HD2 as well and leave T-mobile..I did a master reset and it caused more problems..My songs just started to skip for no reason they would fastforward on its own and non my my songs would pause. Then had to do another master reset and now i go from 3G-E more frequently how is that possible in Manhatten. Also for some reason my HD2 would have no service. Anyone who says WM is better than android is in denial. I cant wait an year for an android port by that time this phone wont be the baddest phone in the market..
[HD2 General] vplaza96:
I just have to laugh at the people who have to be stubborn about this and continue to whine about how they shouldn't have to do anything to the phone to get it to work. Why do I laugh? Because even though they have a point that they shouldn't have to do stuff to their phone, they cling stubbornly to the device and live with the frustrations that they experience, refusing to take the simple measures to end the frustrations. Talk about continuing to bash your head against a wall when you don't have to.

I'm almost certain no one forced these people to buy the device, let a long keep them. It can't be any simpler. You're not happy with it, get something else. Surely there's something else out there that will make you happy. Why continue to live with the grief?

We get it, you're not happy with T-Mo, HTC, the XDA posters who suggest tweaks or flashing ROMs, the world, etc. Why buy the product? Let your wallet do the talking. Don't like 'em? Don't support 'em.

Just have to LOL every time I read one of those posts. "I shouldn't have to do this, I shouldn't have to do that." You're right, you don't have to. Yet you hold on to the phone? :rolleyes:
[HD2 General] KidTech:
Kind of an ignorant statement. Also many of these devices were working fine for the first couple of week and then started to not work, Thus if you weren't aware you cant return a phone after 14 days so your stuck with it. Also why do you bother reading the posts if your not going like it. Kinda banging your head agaisnt the wall;)
[HD2 General] domineus:
just.

flash.

a.

rom.

nuff said =)
[HD2 General] vplaza96:
LOL, touche. But I'm not the one having problems with my phone and living with it even though I know I can tweak it or get rid of it, so I find it humorous.

And this thread was about a possible official update from TMo, so it was of interest to me. Unfortunately, it's been sprinkled with those other types of post that I just have to LOL at.
[HD2 General] KidTech:
haha, ur the one who came here, and yes i have tweaked it, but problems still occur. Its Sense U.I and i cant return the phone pass 14 days unless you wanna be a nice guy and buy it from me?:)
[HD2 General] zarathustrax:
There are plenty of people out there who will buy it or trade a nexus one for it. Put it on ebay or the xda marketplace.

And just because you can't get WinMo to work for you doesn't make the people who think WinMo is better than android in denial. I have used both. I think WinMo is better than android right now.... but I think in a couple years android will be about as good as winmo is now. Androids getting better with development. I've used WinMo for 8 years, so I know it in and out, and I can make it work better for me than android could.
[HD2 General] prabs_nr:
love my HTC HD2

I dont see why people complain so much... i got the phone.. first time win mo device to use... coming from iphone... i never want to go back to iphone anymore.. of course i had problems in the beginning but i always found a solution for each problem... whereas in iphone only option i have is for someone to bring out an app and that also pay money to use it..what a load of crap... win-mo rocks totally...not because of its simplicity but because i can do what ever i want with it and it still works perfectly...:D

XDA Dev guys RULES... :)
[HD2 General] @sshat:
When you said you "tweaked it", did you try other roms on it? I'm also in ManhattAn and almost always get a HSDPA signal w/ an occasional jump to 3G now and then

If you really don't like your device, i know peeps that want one. PM me if you don't get a taker in the xda marketplace
[HD2 General] vplaza96:
How much would you sell it for?
[HD2 General] egzthunder1:
hehe, you missed the point where everyone is suing HTC :)

I'm gonna ask a mod to close this thread... it is completely useless at this point.
[HD2 General] MikeChannon:
This thread does appear to have wandered off it's subject title and as there is no "breaking-news" to report I'll close it due to it getting in a muddled state.

Of course if news on the original topic becomes available then it will be more noticable to start a new thread.

Mike
[HD2 General] a_ok2me:
I don't understand this. Freedom of speech does not apply to websites? Or was there some kind of prior agreement between Xda and Google that was breached?
[HD2 General] sirphunkee:
EDIT: OOPS, Sorry Mike!!