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[Windows Phone 7 General] BigE:
MS will change their mind

When all of us move to Android or stay with our HD2 another year at least, and many will buy the new iPhone, MS will realize what a fatal market research it is to force phone makers to a specific look (or buttons).

I am also reading they will not allow a layer of extra GUI like HTC sense to run on it, and want consistent look to all phones, regardless who is the maker. Unless they come up with an amazing GUI and themes , they can forget about me having WM7. I am more than happy with WM6.5 and HTC sense..

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HTC HD 2

Energy ROM(May 4th)
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
I abhor statements like this from the above poster

MS will realize the error of their ways. SURPRISE! Several users that were once wm have already moved to android and apple since 2007. Hence the campaign to revitalize the operating system. Its already been happening and if you think it can get worse for microsoft mobile after announcing wp7 to which many have said it is impressive, you are deluding yourself.

Fact remains

Google looks like vomit before htc sense, people bought google in droves. Apple has shiny buttons, people bought it in droves. I fail to see your logic from an economic standpoint beyond baseless fanboyism (dont misunderstand I am a die hard windows mobile faithful as well). People somehow buy seemingly restricted crap because of how it is marketed. Time and time again this has been proven...

so what you don't buy wp7 device...and if 100 people buy it over you, no one is really going to care if you don't buy it =)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Max_Terrible:
Are you kidding? The internet is full of official Microsoft statements. Just a simple Google search will very likely link you to all of those sites.
[Windows Phone 7 General] imauser:
actually u should read my post below this one..
[Windows Phone 7 General] Max_Terrible:
Sorry man. Sometimes I tend to just read posts and not check whom made the post. My bad :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] imauser:
thats alright friend ;)

but the thing is really frustrating that MS does this to its loyal clients..

plus they said they do it to offer a better experience of using WP7..this is dam ridicules..I mean alright..for better exp new phones based on WP7 should have only 3 buttons..but Y it should mean that sum recent WM 6.5 phone be out of game..

personally Im cool with WM..this is a great OS(especially on Leo)..the only problem..that we aint gettin no new content(the most important for me is decent games)..
[Windows Phone 7 General] whitehooptie:
I *think* i read somewhere that MS was going to use both OS's. 7 for the ooooo and aahhh factor and 6.5 for the more business oriented side of it because the 7 series supposedly won't run any application from the previous generation.

Waiting game.
[Windows Phone 7 General] d-signet:
yes, that IS what they SAID, but their actions proved otherwise IMHO when they removed smart-device development from VS2010.

This is like them saying "we still support windows XP for the business user but have decided to withdraw XP-compatible app development from all of our coding products"
[Windows Phone 7 General] objecttothis:
So I'm curious. I keep hearing that Microsoft made the announcement that the HD2 won't be getting WP7 upgrades, but does that mean that xda developers can't hack the ROM to work with WP7? I guess my question is whether the HD2 meets the minimum system requirements of WP7. The ones that I saw only left a few things in question.

For example, I know that the HD2 is multi-touch capable but the WP7 requirements stated that it needed to be capable of four simultaneous points of contact. Can the HD2 do more than two?

Also, the WP7 requirements spoke of something like 8GB of a storage capacity, which even the US version only has 1GB. Does the MicroSD not count?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Leechoonhwee:
Dun worry, the chefs at XDA are notorious for making ROMs not made for that particular device. :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Archer:
I don't know this 100% for sure, but AFAIK the screen on the HD2 is capable of true multi-touch, as in - as many fingers as you can fit on it. The reason it's only currently capable of 2 point touch is because there aren't drivers available to handle more. The drivers that are currently available were adapated from the HTC drivers, which don't handle full multi-touch - just 2 point touch.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ozkaya:
you can donate for WP7 porting for HD2 if you want:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=684346
[Windows Phone 7 General] AyanamiZer00:
There is one definitive reason, and one stupid reason the HD 2 won't be getting Windows Phone 7.

And it won't get it, officially. If Da_G manages to do it (and I have full faith in him that if it's possible, he'll make it so), it'll still be buggy as hell.

The Stupid = Too many buttons.

Yeah, it's bad. But MS has made a commitment to be standardized across it's platform, and I can't knock that. That's a really good idea. And besides, HTC has shown time and time again that it would rather just release a new phone with upgraded software, than stick to a device and provide it regular updates.

The Realistic = No hardware scaler on the graphics board.

One of the key ways that the Xbox and the WinPhone7 are going to be able to play the same games is by utilitzing a hardware scaler instead of processing the resolution difference sperately. I doubt the HD2 has one of those.
[Windows Phone 7 General] StevieBallz:
The up/downscaling would be handled by the graphics chip, as it has to do that on a regular basis whenever rendering 3d-content that has a texture on it that is larger than it is displayed.

The easy reason why there won't be upgrades is that WP7 is not backwards compatible and that there are LOTS of people out there who would not be to happy having their phone upgraded to a version which would be unable to run any software they own, like e.g. Navigation Software.

Providing for a way back to the old OS would mean lots of extra effort by MS/HTC just to enable it. The experience would also possibly be quite bad as WP7 wasn't designed to deal with user removable storage.

Some people only get Firmware upgrades when they take their phone to a store because they have issues with it. Imagine someone taking his WM Phone there and they flash Android on it - it would be pretty much the same: EVERYTHING is different, your Software doesn't work and so on.

The Hardware of the HD2 wouldn't be a problem. The resolution of 800x480 is the default resolution of WP7, the 1 Ghz is what we will most likely see in several release devices and the ROM would fit into the HD2s ROM, as at least the leaked RC1 and the x86-Emulator-ROMs were smaller than e.g. Energy's ROMs.
[Windows Phone 7 General] zarathustrax:
What makes you think that the HD2 is capable of more than 2 fingers at a time? All of HTCs capacitive screen devices have used the clearpad2000 afaik... at least the nexus one did, I know. They are starting to use a new touch sensor in the incredible and evo4g that is cabable of unlimited touches, but these are the 1st devices they are using it in. The clearpad2000 is only capable of 2 touches, and since the HD2 was made around the same time as the nexus one, I would think they probably used the same touch sensor. I hope that they used a better sensor, but odds are they didn't. Maybe dcordes or the other HD2 linux port devs might know, as they are trying to get drivers for the touchscreen. It would be great if the HD2 is capable of unlimited touches... that would make the WP7 and Android ports much nicer.
[Windows Phone 7 General] chris5932:
I have seen a video with 3 or 4 touches cant remember.. maybe it was even unlimited
[Windows Phone 7 General] Oberoth:
as far as i know the htc hd2 supports 4 point multitouch.

another good news for the hd2: the Dell Lightning: 1GB ROM 8GB Micro-SD. AND the QSD 8250 the same snapdragon as in the hd2. http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=16597&utm...tm_campaign=Feed:+WmPowerUser+(WM+Power+User)

its a rumor, but that was the hd2 too.

if this will be the dell lightning this would be a very nice driver source
[Windows Phone 7 General] Finalforce1111:
I think it is possible to get the WP7 on the Hd2 bugfree, cause if 1 or more of your professionals can make it you can make a version without xbox live or apps who need much ressources.

The only problem and i am not at all skilled in any kind of programmation, is the problem to run the os via storage card
[Windows Phone 7 General] barronedson:
yeah thats what i was thinking, but i doubt the os cant fin on the 1gb rom the hd2 has i mean come on apples iphone os is only like 165mb, so windows 7 at maximum should only be like 600 mb. but idk dont listen to me
[Windows Phone 7 General] jo_iii:
I'm still loving my Himalaya. Oh Himalaya with WM6.5. [Goes in to a frenzied obsession]
[Windows Phone 7 General] happybabyhippo:
Dude, first off, I didn't quite get what you meant by storage card. The storage card is user replaceable. I think you're referring to the ROM of the device which should be big enough (post right above me is correct) to take the WP7 ROM.

I'd like to see WP7 ported to the HD2, but only because I want the option to be able to replace my OS and see what's up with WP7, same for the android, but really, I bought the HD2 because it's fast, it's sleek and it runs all the apps I need, and that should be good enough for me to keep it and be happy with it. Also, I have a ton on ROMs I can try out.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Yankees1tb:
IM not getting this lol can someone explain this video if it is not able to run on HD2?

youtube.com/watch?v=mJCFdojbjh8
[Windows Phone 7 General] Littlefield:
almost looks like a video on the phone
[Windows Phone 7 General] Blue Ice K4:
that video it's a joke, it's an hd2 connected by remote desktop to wp7 emulator, so it seems to be wp7 on hd2 but only because it's hd with rdp on wp7 emulator, this is the reasong because of some animation are laggy... because of streaming :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Yankees1tb:
Don't think so, it looks perfectly scaled to be emulated...and when you look at it it isnt as buggy when he's scrolling but it is when he switches tabs.:confused:
[Windows Phone 7 General] loaferkan:
I don't even like the Window 7, seriously you have to scroll hell long to get to a task, why not use the window 6.5x and custom with your fav custom RoM, add the co0kies on top, and you ready to go. I think what the window lacks is marketing, just show me what is so big about iphone? seriously, or look at the Android, I rather like the Android.
[Windows Phone 7 General] cwwjr1681:
This is simple.

This is very simple... No lies... No BS..... If you want a media center to watch movies on travel with and whatnot yet still make calls and surf the web a bit. Get the HD2. For that its no contest what so ever. The HD2 plays all media formats. Android does not. You need to size the video and reformat it for Android. Android is more of a 1 in all Phone. The HD2 is a media center which is what i use mine for. I have delt with android and I got rid of my Nexus One for the HD2 I use my phone as a portable entertainment center. Windows mobile luanches a phone APP!!!! To make calls. The android is a phone it self. HD2 is more of a laptop on the go with a phone mode. IMO To be more blunt...

Tech Savvy Person = HD2

Average Person= Android

Period. No gray area there. It is black and white. Its like a Corvette VS a SUV. It all depends what you want to use it for. One is not better than the ohter; however a Techy will get more out of the HD2. I work for Nvidia and you could not pay me to leave the HD2. Most of the people I work with use Windows Mobile also btw.... So its more about what kind of person you are..
[Windows Phone 7 General] Toss3:
It plays all media formats? Since when? :p The Galaxy S pwns the HD2 so hard when it comes to media playback that it's not even funny. Plus the sound quality of the HD2 is horrible.

Stay away from WM6.5 unless you want to board a sinking ship.
[Windows Phone 7 General] kosherpig:
Since TCPMP was developed, which was long before HD2 was announced. Android has a similar media player but it requires just a 1GHz (or better) processor. TCPMP works on my 528MHz MSM 7201A Diamond1.

This is true, though. But atleast it supports native apps + does not force any distribution channel.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Blue Ice K4:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZovb8onH-g

look here ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] ahijada:
^^ +1 on the TCPMP.

I've never had any problems on playing any/all of the video formats.

As far as the sinking ship goes.. 6.5 may be a sinking ship... but this sinking ship currently has the more dedicated developers i've come across lately. And I come from the android community (g1, mytouch, n1).

I love the hd2 because of numerous reasons many of us have stated.. I dont need the 300,000+/- apps apple offers...google's google maps w/turn by turn? i've got bing with turn by turn lol.. and honestly i surprised myself when bing came out with this because it REPLACED google maps on my phone!
[Windows Phone 7 General] m1c4d0:
That's right sir! +1
[Windows Phone 7 General] Cursor_:
I Agree with cwwjr1681

Notice how all of a sudden every cell phone company is coming out with a 4.3" phone with the obvious exception of Apple. I don't know why everyone is so down on Windows Mobile 6.5, Sense UI fixes much of what was wrong with it. After seeing how rediculous the data pricing is for the Evo, I am very happy with my choice. HTC HD2 rocks!
[Windows Phone 7 General] TacoLoco:
Haha did you try TCPMP or CorePlayer..? Btw nothing pwns the HD2 cause it will be the first device running WM6.5/WP7/Android ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Jeff_Sony:
i am waiting for it too.i dought my HD2 too eary.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Proz00:
i think the best of wp7 is not the gui

its the kernel i wish

i could have wp7 core with cht 1.8 gui :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] dude0014:
Anyone working on this since its RTM now?
[Windows Phone 7 General] MacaronyMax:
Wait till the HD3 because that will be made for it :p :D

(if there is going to be a HD3 ;))
[Windows Phone 7 General] br4nd0nh347:
It will most likely be called the HD7 according to engadget.

Also I would guess that the HD7 would be an excellent source of drivers. It will most likely have a similar but more powerful processor, and it's from the same company (HTC). I would like to know how far the development has been going so far.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rahimtz:
hd2 windows mobile 7 wp7 rom

i have search the google and have come across there is a rom for hd2 wp7 please can anyone post the download link so i can download and fix some issues with the rom .
[Windows Phone 7 General] welki1979:
TBH I thought twice about even replying to this....how can we make this clearer.....

THERE IS NO ROM FOR WP7 ON HD2 and we will be very lucky if there ever is one!

I know people are currently working on it but I doubt very much that there will be anything for the HD2 for a long time...especially not before the actual WP7 devices go on sale.

There certainly won't be any official upgrade.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tricsio:
I have to agree with fact that there will be no official upgrade(s) but not kill hope by expecting experimental ROMs.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RubnVdub:
So where can i get the ROM ppl are working on for the HD2?

lol jk =P i got my HD2 day of release and was waiting for a long time just to get a stable copy of Android running on it from the great XDA Dev's, people just need to realize that its going to take more time, and when it is completed and released. trust me ... you will know. you wont need to go googling
[Windows Phone 7 General] lemonspeakers:
i don't get it. Why has there not been a leak yet of the RTM? WTF is going on guys?

Or has there been a leak yet?

Is anyone even working on the initial process of porting WM7 to the HD2?

I saw a picture of CE on HD2 by net ripper, but dont know exactly what that was.

also da_g has been unresponsive.

whats going on?
[Windows Phone 7 General] OndraSter:
It is harder than you can imagine. As much access you can get to original tools, leaked stuff etc, it won't help you enough.

There is still one huge piece missing that will probably (I'm on 99% sure of that) never be done - each DEVICE gets its own certificate, which is connected to your LiveID. Without this cert, you CAN'T connect to any Live stuff, so you can't use Marketplace, Zune, who knows about Zune Sync at all. And you can't just say "Hey MS, gimme cert file!". When you will do some bad stuff on Live (or if you flash your phone with cooked ROM and MS finds out), they can simply ban your certificate and your phone will be working as... dumbphone.

(This info comes from DaG.)
[Windows Phone 7 General] TheATHEiST:
Well tbh I couldn't give a sh*t about any of that anyway since I can get anything I want from alternative services.

Its no real big loss not having any of those imo.
[Windows Phone 7 General] OndraSter:
Oh ye? Zune Pass, Marketplace, sync with your PC? You sure you wouldn't miss those? Sure, you can use USB mass storage, but I'm not sure it is implement as client side. Also, the Zune hub requires some kind of library built I bet, which means another app needed. And so on, all apps would have to be sideloaded, which means writing file explorer.

This is just example, I don't know how deep does the rabbit hole go.
[Windows Phone 7 General] skoop99:
To me, not allowing a customised GUI just turns it into a MS iPhone...
[Windows Phone 7 General] griffinsdesigns:
HD HTC 2 and Windows 7 OS Mobile

I heard that Windows 7 OS Mobile would be on HD HTC2. Not sure when though. I can't wait for that to happen.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rr5678:
It already is a bad iPhone clone. This is just Microsoft following the rules of Apple now.
[Windows Phone 7 General] amauris:
sad but true...
[Windows Phone 7 General] Ali_Shaikh:
But what other option do they have? WM6.5 was a failure and it's the only option if you want to have app compatibility across the board.
[Windows Phone 7 General] pack21:
me too, i heard that a secret undderground team are working in a port to HD2.

I wish hope that's true.

:D
[Windows Phone 7 General] FD10:
I hope it too :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] rr5678:
What they should have done in the first place is take Windows Mobile 6.1 and it's code and update it per today's standards. That little miniport of theirs (WM6.5) is too problematic because they did not put the proper amount of time into updating it
[Windows Phone 7 General] rekras:
Senior Member - your jpg image is malware ... please check that out ...
[Windows Phone 7 General] rr5678:
What image. No image I've posted here contains malware.
[Windows Phone 7 General] federaly:
Really. Use their old code? That's your idea. So rather then rebuild from fresh and having everything as it should be from the start with a excellent foundation. You think they should get their old hacked and updated poor coded 6.1 or 6.5 code and then update rehash and stitch it to make a "new" OS for the public. Really that is what you're saying. That is absolutely crazy.

Lets say they did that ok. You would then without a single doubt in my mind have people complaining and moaning about how it's the same crazy code and they should have refreshed it blah blah blah...

MSFT have taken the best approach.

Did some people get left behind yes. Did they ever ever ever promise, mention or state that the HD2 would get WP7. No. People blaming MSFT and some people are even blaming HTC for not providing a upgrade path.

Where was my upgrade path for my Amiga? No where because it doesn't make sense.

Does it make moral sense? No. Does it make economic and business sense? Yes.
[Windows Phone 7 General] enak:
It's OK, we have android now :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] rr5678:
I'll sum this reply up in one sentence: When I say code, I mean interface code.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ei05035:
Actually, i'd say that it was better to change the whole deal. Developing for WinMo is actually a daunting proccess (even though C# and .NET make for a confortable coding experience, since everything is managed), as the provided frameworks provide very limited access to sensors and other components. Additionaly, it's not very cool to have to adapt a program to different devices ( HTC uses one lib for G-Sensor, Samsung another, etc). With Android and iOS that problem disappears.

Honestly, WinMo was pretty much awesome. It lived a cool long life. When it was designed, the idea was to be a pocket pc like OS, not a smarthpone one. Apple saw that and, well, was able to profit from it, by creating a touch interface that left WinMo in the dust. Until now :D.

So, yes, UI is important, but more for the end user. When developing such a complex solution, they have to keep in mind that there are other platforms out there and that developers love coding for the profitable and easy ones ^^.

That being said, i must, once again, say that WP7 not allowing to run native code will probably make it's penetration in the app market rather difficult, as companies will have to develop a lot of stuff from scratch. But no point in talking about it, lets wait and see.
[Windows Phone 7 General] richteralan:
WM6 has lots of problems, not only interface: e.g. no 720p video recording.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rr5678:
I shoulda re-worded what I said. I mean give WP7 a WM6.5-like interface. (oh, and remove all those dang iPhone-like restrictions too)
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
I know design is a matter of personal preference but there comes a point when you're in such a minority that you're just wrong. WM6's interface is garbage in this day and age. It's one thing to say Android or iPhone is superior to WP7 but there's no way that WM6's UI is even close to that level.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rr5678:
Yeah, my idea is a personal preference. I'd be okay with WP7 if all those dang restrictions weren't in place. That, and those tiles are horrible.
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
I have to agree here. I remember the 6.5 design on standard devices (the panel thing) thinking wow it would be nice to have it on devices now (or back then)

and we got that...two years later...

It really did show its age compared to other OSes. heck even rim!

I want something different not always you know heavy icon centered actually but an interface that is modern and stylish. WP7 has a lot of black space but when I think of t, if it didn't then It would be too...focused like too much happening at once. So it is a good thing they did have the black

I like the OS. While I dislike the technology being used I like its specifically designed for this crop of devices.
[Windows Phone 7 General] loddogg:
funn

check dis video....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnpmKRFahx4
[Windows Phone 7 General] Pierce Zhang:
This should be the newest status

http://www.xda-developers.com/feature/the-current-state-of-windows-phone-7-modification/
[Windows Phone 7 General] trezack:
is there any SD version of wp7 for hd2?
[Windows Phone 7 General] conantroutman:
No.

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