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[Off-topic] rorytmeadows:
Nintendo pisses me off. Their naivety blows me away sometimes and since naivety is my biggest pet peeve, Nintendo just makes my blood boil often.

First off, they release a system that is behind the mark when it comes to graphics, yet they believe that the usual rainbow-pop BS that is Nintendo and their wonderfully novel motion controllers will make Nintendo survive forever.

I yell at the computer showing me article after article back in the day, yelling that novelty doesn't last (as long as quality). A year ago, Nintendo CEO gets bitter and yells at developers for not making all their games for Nintendo (duh, AGAIN, novelty doesn't LAST).

Now, http://news.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/nintendo-apple-is-enemy-of-the-future/8248

Nintendo thinks their biggest rival is Apple. I'm not privy to what Apple users are actually doing with their devices (although I do know that sheep tend to all do the same thing together), but apparently they play games. Nintendo reports losses this past quarter and now they respond with EVEN MORE NAIVETY.

I just want to yell at the screen again. It's not Apple that's killing your sales. It's your LACK of continuous development and innovation. You can't ride high on garbage graphics, novel controlling, and game schemes that mostly appeal to women and children, who don't spend a great amount (of money) on gaming in the first place. I laugh when I see someone actually buying DS games in the store. R4 anyone?

Nintendo just doesn't get it. They should have already been in development of a Wii HD and should really be moving on something that can compete with Natal this holiday season. Plus, where is the DS that can do more than game and chat with other DS users in the vain of teenage girls? Where is the DS that doesn't rely on homebrew apps to give it some degree of functionality? They should also get away, at least for half of the time, from that novel rainbow-poppy BS that they specialize in that makes them the poster-child for homosexual gaming...
[Off-topic] JAguirre1231:
The sad thing is, no matter how much you hate Nintendo, they have the best-selling video games and video game franchises of all time.

"They" referring to Nintendo exclusives. This does not necessarily mean Nintendo made the games themselves.
[Off-topic] rorytmeadows:
Which is why I cry when I hear about people like Lady Gaga and Amy Winehouse making any money. I HATE when S**T sells. Wii sells a ton and George W. Bush gets elected twice. LOTS of dumb people in this world (other example: iPhone)
[Off-topic] Purple Drama Llama:
I agree 100%. Graphics are bad and their just so dated. I think im gonna go get that Peppa Pig game.... Looks fun!
[Off-topic] kwanbis:
The problem with the Wii is not the graphics, but the games.

It has 3 times or more the PS2 power, and the PS2 has some of the best games ever.
[Off-topic] C0dy:
I have a Wii, it was collecting dust for a year and a half until I just recently bought Monster Hunter Tri, it's an awesome game. Also, your statement on buying DS games I pretty much agree with. I have an R4, but the only games I've actually bought for the DS are Pokemon Diamond, Platinum, and Soul Silver.
[Off-topic] domenukk:
amy winehouse isn't that bad. the band that recorded the album isn't, at least...

and the wii has no real competitors so far (ps3 has those controlers soon, but who owns a ps3? :P)

but yeah I agree!!
[Off-topic] egzthunder1:
Please, don't use foul language.
[Off-topic] MooGoo:
Okay, you see...there are many things about present day Nintendo that really do piss me off. Really. But, the thing is...there is nothing they can do now, or in the infinite future, that will ever change the fact that NINTENDO IS THE GREATEST VIDEO GAME COMPANY THAT HAS EVER OR WILL EVER EXIST. This is simply inarguable.

In reality, the reason why I'm so pissed off at Nintendo's BS these days is because their past was so glorious. I'm going to call 1985 to 1995 the decade of Nintendo. It peaked, an incredibly high peak, with the SNES. During the 16 bit era we had a Nintendo that not only made high-end hardware, but also successfully courted 3rd party developers to produce games for it.

Now Nintendo does neither of those things. But it still does not matter because they to this day produce the best video games on the planet. The small handful of Shigeru Miyamoto produced Mario/Zelda/Metroid games released by Nintendo easily make up for years of crappy mini-game packed cooking/dog walking simulators and rainbow colored pokemon sequels.

Now if you enjoy playing 25 new first person shooters every year on your 360/ps3 you will probably think I'm nuts. I realize I'm in the minority here. Quite frankly there are almost no games on Microsoft or Sony's consoles that interest me at all. And given that the hardware in both those machines is over 5 years old now, with absolutely no word yet of anything next-gen, I'm not too hung up on the Wii's underpowered nature.

So the way I see it, all three console manufacturers are currently riding on s**t graphics and s**t games for the most part, one or two exceptions per console per year does not change that.

And if Nintendo really is loosing money now, it's just a dent on the enormous pile of cash they have built up from selling the Wii and DS. MS and Sony have only recently started seeing profits from selling their hardware, so it is in their best interests to prolong the life of their machines for as long as possible to justify the high initial loses. This puts Nintendo in a position to release modern high-end video game hardware with almost no competition, at least for awhile. They should call the new machine the SNES 2 and it would have Super Mario World built into its BIOS. OMG who can I kill to make this happen.

Of course it won't though...not as long as there is a never ending supply of idiots who think that standing on a Nintendo branded slab of plastic will make them loose weight.

tsk tsk Nintendo, I still love you because of the games. If you are going to invest in any new hardware, make sure that it has something to do with granting Shigeru Miyamoto's immortality by hooking his brain up to a supercomputer.
[Off-topic] rorytmeadows:
Zelda = lame

Metroid = lame

Mario and Mario Kart are the only thing going for Nintendo gamewise. I miss thousands of hours on Goldeneye and WaveRace. Party games and Smash Bros are terrible games; NO WAY will I like a game that rewards my little brother beating me at a game that he wins just by mashing the keypad. I understand the novelty of a Wii, but my brothers and I made fun of my mother for years for moving her controller 3 feet in the direction she wanted to jump on SNES and GameCube Mario games, so NO WAY will I like a system that rewards that goofy stuff.

Nintendo will always dominate the market if they never sacrifice hardware performance for novelty again. The largest sellers are 1st person shooters. If they made a system that developers wanted to utilize for FPS games, they would dominate the market beyond what novelty can do. Well, that and they don't crap out a system marketed for all of the most annoying children in the world.
[Off-topic] egzthunder1:
What part of "no foul language" was unclear in the post immediately above yours?
[Off-topic] JAguirre1231:
The "no foul language" part.
[Off-topic] MooGoo:
I'll go with Metroid being lame. I have not really the series since Super Metroid anyway. But ZELDA NOT LAME K:ALSUDJLKAJ:SDLK

Maybe the style is a bit done to death but the recent versions of it still kick ass, especially the DS ones.

And I'm sure you agree Super Mario Galaxy (and soon 2 omg) and Super Mario New Wii (not the mediocre DS version) totally make up for Nintendo's wiimote shaking obsession. Well not totally...

With all this wrists flailing wiimote madness, it is easy to forget that Nintendo ever managed to produce something like SNES controller. In Super Mario World, if you wanted to spin jump, you just pressed the X button. But in Super Mario New Wii, you have to shake the controller like an idiot and risk smacking someone in the face and breaking your TV if you forgot to put the strap around your wrist.

I wish Nintendo would have kept it simple I really do. The only games I actually play on the Wii are the ones that still use buttons as the main controls.
[Off-topic] MooGoo:
I'm sorry I forgot I was still in grade school. This is the first time I've ever been censored here; my, and many other peoples foul language seems to have gone unnoticed before. Did I miss some kind of memo?

They got these things built into boards called filters you know, that can asterisk out naughty language before it is able to warp the delicate minds of the 13 year olds who post here.
[Off-topic] poetryrocksalot:
If you're also talking about sales than I think you're wrong 'cause the DS outsold the PSP and the WII outsold the PS3 and XBOX 360.

If you think Nintendo doesn't know what they're doing then you're wrong.

But if you just don't like the games that people developed for Nintendo, then I think it's the game developers fault too.

But then again my sources are Wikipedia.
[Off-topic] egzthunder1:
You mean this memo?

We don't get everyone, but we do act on the people that we do see.
[Off-topic] melterx12:
nintendo's only good games at this point are ones made by nintendo themselves. Theyve been ignoring that fact because of how well financially the Wii has been doing, but first party games alone can never support a console without any quality third party titles to back them up. Nintendo's in for a wake up call real soon.
[Off-topic] MooGoo:
Yes, but IN REGARDS TO being "polite and respectful to your fellow xda-dev user". Forgive me if I don't read into that sentance a sweeping ban against all "bad words" however benign.

If XDA really wants to enforce such childish rules, state it clearly and unequivocally. "There is no need" is hardly a definative statement for banning something so common especially when you proceede to list cursing and racism in the same breath.

And besides, if you insist on being forum Nazi's the least you could do is enable automatic profanity filtering. Either that or just edit my post without leaving the added indignant reply.
[Off-topic] r3s-rt:
Wow this was a good read until you just threw up on here. The one thing that got me to actually have to reply:

"added indignant reply."

Really? You can't see how you're the one actually being a jerk to begin with all because you did exactly what he just told the other guy not to? That's just a slap in the face, and that's 10 times worse that cursing in the first place, on the disrespect subject. God don't flame me, just think about it. Refusing to admit a wrong doesn't show education.

Anyways! On topic!

Well, sadly, whoever said Wii sold more than PS3 and Xbox 360 is correct. You have to stop and think, though. Wii really is for all ages. I enjoy it now and again, and I'm 19. It's for family fun, not competition or winning.

Also, it's very popular for the younger generation. My 8 year old nieces cannot even play a Xbox 360, yet they CAN play a Wii. Now, I go into my room and shoot people all night on a 360, but go in the living room to play Wii with them and my sister who's 28.

And, that's what it boils down too. Wii sells more because it adheres to almost every age group/gender except for teenage males - middle aged males. Those age/gender groups may play it, but will never own one for personal use unless you're a young father or something along those lines. Older people don't want to shoot people - most older people can't even use a 360 controller to shoot someone if they wanted to. They also mostly disapprove of it. They also disapprove of shooting games for their children. (I know, you think violent video games and kids is such bs, but talk to some old schools it really is a legitimate argument.) Thats for another subject, though. There are VERY little family orientated games for the 360 or PS3.

Pretty much same with DS. I play it often with my fiancée. I've actually considered buying two of them just so I can play with her. Would I ever play it without her? No. MAYBE Super Mario (my nieces got me hooked on it helping them beat levels and what not) but never another game.

Just my 2 cents. Honestly, I think Nintendo is a on a good/strong track. They're the only real major gaming company that tries hard to apply to all generations. Well, they try much harder than any other.

Probably missed some things, got a little confusing going back and trying to reorder it to make it flow.
[Off-topic] rorytmeadows:
Yes, we are aware that the Wii is marketed for all ages. But that is not where the money is. Everyone knows that the money market is not only people 18-34, but especially males 18-34. I'm a little sick of Nintendo whining every time they report low earnings or don't have developers jump into making hot third-party titles for the Wii. They don't get that because their system isn't marketed for the money making demographic. I think only in Japan are the age demos are off from the rest of the world. There are plenty of 30-year-old Japanese that seems to be into that pop-rainbow BS that Nintendo craps out constantly. That's fine, but that's not the rest of the world.
[Off-topic] MalekoUK:
Just goes to show that good graphics arent always the thing people look for.

What they have is a good idea, that has taken off incredibly.

You can moan about them and have a hissy fit about the company all you want, but the fact is they have a product that SELLS.

Same with the iPhone, I personaly don't like it, but hey, it sells.
[Off-topic] :
Also, considering Sony had a -10.70% Revenue Growth and Nintendo had 12.20% revenue growth, and Windows 7 did a great number for Microsoft who has been steadily declining.... Nintendo is doing just fine, whether they're complaining or not.

Wrong, wrong, wrong. The actual money market is for the younger generation. People, especially males, 18 - 34 have MUCH less time to spend on a console gaming. When you have your first kid at 18 - 20, when you're about 26, you're buying your KIDS their first console/haldheld gaming device and buying yourself food, groceries, or a new phone if you have the money after the bills keeping the wife happy and giving your kids the best of what you can afford. Sales for Xbox 360 really start up when kids get to be about 12 or so. Jobs, higher education, a family, etc. are all MAJOR time-killers. Whereas kids 6 - 18 have nothing to do but study, go to school, eat, sleep, and play games. It's a gold mine imho. Also, the Census shows that there's only a few more males per 100 females. So thats about 1/2 (technically more about 1/3.634 or something crazy). So generally HALF the population which the Wii applies to for "teenage girls" and all young kids enjoy a Wii. So thats probably ages 19 - 23 of males that Wii's aren't purchased for.

That's a VERY brief explanation to just backup why Wii sells so much more.

Honestly, I don't care for it. However, the idea behind it is genius, they're doing pretty fine off of it, and I don't really see them changing up.

They also have a right to complain - if there were more teen orientated games instead of all the kiddy games, they would make MUCH more. However, that is out of their control unless they produce the game themselves.

P.S. I Like the Rainbow-Pop term. Fits very nicely, lol.

As much as I hate to agree about the iPhone, I agree. Worse piece of electronic garbage in decades, but Apple makes its money. Hate ALL you want, but they're the ones with more money.
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ewww, db......
[Off-topic] Noonski:
Yes some cursing can slip through the cracks, we don't actually read every thread. But users can report posts and threads and we then judge with our personal experience if it should be removed.

Our Admins have chosen not to go the automatic censoring way.

Don't bother the Moderator doing his Job. He's not the one using foul language. No need getting frustrated over something you did wrong yourself.

"But mom the other kids at school where also steeling strawberries"
[Off-topic] phillmydiamond:
i think by xmas the wii will have lost its gimmick, sony is releasing motion sticks for the ps3, which apparently are more repsonsive than the wii motion plus, and with xbox's natal coming out at under £40 (or so i have heard) with full integration with the dashboard on day one, the wii has nothing more to offer,

other than mario kart............

but xbox have now got sonic racer which is gotta be the best mario kart clone and avatar racer when its released

ps3 and xbox 3d processing power along with motion sensing of some kind, gonna kick ass.
[Off-topic] MooGoo:
I'm sorry my last sentence offended you so. Really. I care damn it, I mean darn it!
[Off-topic] phillmydiamond:
one mans fight against himself
[Off-topic] MooGoo:
Honestly if the WiiMote is gimmicky and stupid for the Wii, it'll probably be the same for the ps3/360.

This kind of me-to-ism reminds me of exactly the effect that the iPhone has had on the smartphone market. This "common knowledge" that a touch screen with "finger friendly" software is the superior way to control your phone came about entirely because of the iPhones success. The newly produced smartphone that does not buy completely in to this dogma is rare, and even then is usually instantly marginalized by complaints of it not being finger friendly or iPhone like enough.

I worry that because of the Wii's success, people will start assuming that wild flailing of ones limbs is somehow a superior way to control video games than pressing discrete buttons.
[Off-topic] :
I lol'd. That's about it, though. Go ahead, flame me. Look even more stupider. :D

It's probably not really going to be that good.

http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/ocz_peripherals/nia-neural_impulse_actuator

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=head-games-video-controller-brain

That's next.

I love how people say you just flail your arms around wildly. If I'm playing a bowling game, a golfing game, or a boxing game (all included in Wii Sports) I would MUCH rather have something to actually control my movements rather than pressing a button and sitting still. However, when I want to play a fighting game, I put on Fight Night Round 3. Mix a game like THAT with motion controls: <3.
[Off-topic] JAguirre1231:
Glad I'm not the only one who has more better grammar.
[Off-topic] MooGoo:
This place needs grammar police! If you think the recent influx of new grammaticality challenged Android users is bad, just imagine the wasteland this place will become once Windows Phone 7 is released.

This more badder grammar is far greater an epidemic here than the occasional potty mouth. If there are any English teacher XDA users around, I'm sure they be being offended!

For their sake, mods please asterisk out half of that last paragraph. I'm counting on you.
[Off-topic] rorytmeadows:
I agree with your prediction. Unless Nintendo steps up, bye bye gimmicky Wii.

Until you show me proof, I will go with what the media has been saying for 50+ years. Nothing is better than the "coveted 18-34 demographic" profile. In fact, if you want to argue against that coveted profile, you should be arguing for the older generations.

It explains why everyone loves MTV at 18-24 but slowly start to hate it as they get older. It explains why everyone loves SNL at 18-24 but slowly start to hate it as they get older. The 18-34 age group is that way because it's where the dispensable money is. No kids. No mortgage. Sometimes no rent and utilities. I never got why it extended to 34, since these things started popping into my life at 24, but it's the gold standard for demographic profiles.

In fact, I have purchased more games and systems between 18 and my current 27 age than MYSELF AND ANY of my friends had spent on them either by themselves or their parents on games and systems, even with inflation.

I bet the pattern is still the same now, even if you count all these incredibly dumb parents buying everything for their children and spending $1000 on Christmas presents for each child which ultimately turns their kid into a ginormous douche at age 25.

And your statement about the timeline of everything happening doesn't quite add up. If someone is having a child at age 18-20, since they were selfish enough not to avoid having a child until education and financial security are established, I would assume that they'd be selfish enough to buy a system that THEY would also like to play, thus making them part of the key demographic.
[Off-topic] M_T_M:
Badder grammar?? :confused: Is that bad to the bone grammar? :eek:

hehehe Relax man!! Weren't you talking about the Nintendo consoles and such?? Go back to the topic and let the Mods keep policing us from way over there....see them...they can :D
[Off-topic] rorytmeadows:
And by the way, another myth is that the word "stupider" doesn't exist. It does. It's proper English. Look it up.
[Off-topic] MooGoo:
You're right. We are talking about the Wii after all. That thing almost demands bad grammar to be used while referring to it.

Anyway, it's not all bad. Nintendo did release this recently:

I honestly think the thing looks a little ridiculous, but its existence does show that at least part of Nintendo feels our pain, and is eager to capitalize on it.
[Off-topic] M_T_M:
Imagine the giant that plays with that control?? :eek:

Just joking....I don't know about the control...will it help sales at all?
[Off-topic] rorytmeadows:
Now only if they can upgrade their graphics from something that's soooo 2001.
[Off-topic] :
LOL. Grab a dictionary, kid. "Stupider" is not a formal word, but it is a proper word.

Of course, that sentence was me thinking you were actually trying to insult me for use of language - if not - I apologize, friend. =]

Thank you. Someone else actually can read and research. =] This makes me happy. "More stupid" sounds cleaner, but "stupider" is still correct.

Isn't this sentence the definition of irony?

Look at the amount of Wii sales. They clearly don't target that age group and have sold more Wiis than almost Xbox360 and PS3 combined. (I take it this is what you were referring to - if not please correct me.) The media can say what it wants - I trust numbers/statistics more than words.

Please, take a few Psychology classes. Buying your children does not in a single way influence a snobbish personality. Sorry, this is off topic, but I can't stand stereotypes. There are many other influences in a child's life than just money/physical objects.

It is not "selfish" to have a child at 18 - 20. It's also more like 16 - 24. Which with the 5 - 6 year span, you're still only at 30. It's actually VERY common, as well. It's also a very common MISTAKE! NOT selfishness. Believe me, you can't beat nature. If something is possible in nature, you never have a 100% chance to stop it no matter how much protection you have. Also, I can see you have never have a child. I suggest you stay away from that subject until you've actually had a kid and understand what kind of revelation it actually is (to an actual loving parent - there are quite a number deadbeats out there.) If you truly love your child and care for them the most - you will buy your toys after theirs. Now, don't get me wrong, that shiny new Nexus came out and you have 500 dollars sitting around for it, but your child has been begging you and begging you for something that she wants and if you buy it that will be the end of your Nexus: You'll get it. It's a parental instinct. Also, do you have any idea how much is costs to raise a child? The bare essentials could but you a new smartphone a month if you have little or no financial support.

Ah, I've wen too far on this. I'm a Psychology major, so stay away from that with me - I'll talk your ear off. =]

You seem to aslo be overlooking something:

For our ages, the Wii IS horrible. Children love it, though.

Did you look at my statistics? Nintendo is actually doing very well. They are in no way about to go "bye bye."

AS for that controller - they just completely copied an Xbox 360 controller. o.o