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[Desire General] Aitese:
First installing to SD slows down your apps noticeably. It's not ideal. It's the best solution we have RIGHT NOW, but don't mistake that for being a good thing.

I'm not quibbling over 0.45mb. If you reread I LOST 5mb! That's enough space for a few apps, no?

My point being that up until now this clear bug (losing data that doesn't seem to be associated with an app so is therefore not counted in it's cache and is not cleared) has been ignored by throwing SD space at it. That's foolish.
[Desire General] JupiterDroid:
Well i get just over 1.5 days battery life and volume is not too bad for me, but i would like the music volume to be louder;) Also the main thin gthe root would mean for me is that i could get the Nexus rom on to my Desire and hopefully get a quick update to Froyo;) Because lets face it, how long are we going to wait for HTC to update sense???

JD;)
[Desire General] EddyOS:
Don't like stock Android - I'm happy with Sense!

But enough thread hijacking!! :D
[Desire General] JupiterDroid:
So you will be happy to wait 6 months for HTC to update Sense to intergrate with Froyo? (based on past updates, eg.. Hero, which is still on 1.6)?? I can understand your point, but sense for me is just a waste of screen space;)

The only reason i bought the desire was because of the slightly more RAM and actual buttons instead of touchscreen buttons;) Sense isnt a real big must for me;)

JD:cool:
[Desire General] EddyOS:
Well, yeah! The Desire as it is does exactly what I want it to out the box. I had to cook my own ROM for my HD2 to get it working as I want but this just works!!

I prefer the eye candy of Sense, stock Android is boring and I hate using garish themes...if I feel the need to root it I will but as it is I have no need to
[Desire General] JupiterDroid:
Very true mate;) Well i hope they have a frozen youghut ready for you apon release;)

JD:D
[Desire General] Aitese:
Guys, take it somewhere else eh.
[Desire General] watercool:
same here. I've two Desire, installed exactly the same apps and had a difference of 12 mb afterwards. I tried to delete every cache a.s.o, still a difference of 5 mb.. reboot .. nothing changed. Next day -> reboot again -> 2 mb difference? No clue what's exactly going on with the rom.

@sense: I bought the desire cause i thought it can't be worse than the nexus one cause if i don't like sense, just install launcher2 and deactivate it. What i did not know: HTC just removed some stock android applications and integrated their crappy apps, and in addition they implement some features i want to REMOVE, i do not want to see them anymore (f.e. flickr.. why flickr? this is android/google, i want a picasa button!, tweet, stocks a.s.o... no uninstall option).

I need root to get rid of the things i don´t like.
[Desire General] EddyOS:
I did say sorry for it - he's the one coming back at me!!

I'll leave it now mate, my 2p though, I personally don't care about the memory - if it gets to a point when I do I'll hard reset and start again. Probably just needs the Android equivalent of a defrag!!
[Desire General] al89nut:
Have done two hard resets (not for this reason) and my memory was lower after each - something to do with the re-installing of the apps I surmise?
[Desire General] mroek:
That's strange. After a hard reset it should have exactly the same memory each time. After all, that's the whole point of a hard reset.

And I must say that the issue raised by OP is very worrying. Installing and then uninstalling applications should give you back the exact same memory as you had before. I can accept residual files on the SD card, but the precious space on the internal flash should definately be fully reclaimed after an uninstall.

If not, there is a fundamental flaw somewhere. If anyone can shed more light on this issue, please do so!
[Desire General] lambrospower:
i noticed this memery issue too with many uninstalls......also i have my sdcard filled with many folders named firstly with a fullstop and then the name of an app

.mail

for example

how can i know which of these folders are needed and which are not ? like temp folders etc ?
[Desire General] TeCH-Guruz:
OK I too think this is a pretty big problem but now the desire has root if someone was to install a2sd they could test installing files and uninstalling them and see if the problem is still there also you would have access to the files to find out what is being left over so someone or even htc could fix it.
[Desire General] djind:
I don't think there is any need for worry. 140mb should be enough to cover most of your apps anyway. But that's not all. I have noticed that after installing and reinstalling, there is indeed less memory left, but I noticed that it also takes less space to reinstall. I think, because I am not sure. I can only conclude that the space is somehow being reserved for further app installs. Imagin my surprise when I had 65mb free after uninstalling an app and after installing an app or two/three, I still had 65mb free..
[Desire General] snudel:
one guy said after a day 3mb came back. so i guess on boot it checks for dead files and removes them after a while.
[Desire General] Aitese:
OK, I've come back to this because it was getting on my nerves. The lack of space meant I was unable to try out the new Skyfire beta...so I said that's it.

I synced my apps with AppBrain so I knew exactly what was installed in my phone. I backed up my texts and contacts using WaveSecure and I unmounted my SD card...just in case.

At this point I only have 14mb left (Uninstalled my World Series Of Poker game, which was too bloody big just to get there)

I do a hard reset. The phone starts up, tells me there's setting backed up to the SD card...not sure what settings because after restoring I still have to set up EVERYTHING all over again, but no matter. I begin the arduous task of reinstalling all my apps. By the time I'm done I STILL have almost 60mb of space! I even put back the 20mb rated poker game and some extra stuff I didn't even have before or had uninstalled for space.

I know have all my apps back and the Skyfire Beta.

36.37mb of space left.

All in all over 20mb of space was mysteriously missing from my phone. Now I know peoples instant reply will be to direct me to some rooting instructions and then smugly post a smiley, but like I originally said, I'm not fond of the hindrances and performance degradation that apps2sd brings and , I'm not comfortable with everyone sweeping 20mb in 2 weeks under the carpet as if it's no big deal. In a month that's 40mb, 2 months 80...I assume to get the picture.
[Desire General] FloatingFatMan:
Some people value their warranty.
[Desire General] lambrospower:
hey guys I checker my memory space today and it was 40mb. I backed up the apps with mybackup pro...hard reset the phone and then restored All the apps again and I checked the space and those time was 70mb....this is a huge difference in space and I was a little worried I must say. why all this space isn't available without hard resting ???
[Desire General] mroek:
A hard reset will wipe all the data, including all caches. I'm not familiar with mybackup pro, but I doubt it will restore all those caches (like the browser cache). This makes such a test pretty useless, I'm afraid.
[Desire General] StrongOneX:
its doesnt slow down my phone at all, i got google earth and co pilot installed and 69 other apps and i have 80 mb free!

i got a transcend 16 gb class 6 :) :) :)
[Desire General] andycted:
regarding the first post (haven't read replies yet, going to do now) fennec had huge space issues even in winmo and I really mean huge.

Sent from my HTC Desire using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk
[Desire General] andycted:
after reading the rest of the thread I must say I totally agree with this comment.

besides I hate iPhones, but not so much as to go the opposite way of their 'looking the other way, pretend the phone is perfect and enjoy this beast'.

Sent from my HTC Desire using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] booon:
I have been using 2.1 custom roms for a while now, but have now gone back to the latest stock 1.5

I have to say i am loving the quick typing I can now do on the keyboard. And general quick system responses.

What is causing the lag in 2.1 custom roms? As this is making them unusable for me.
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] mr.bang:
all 2.1 portings are laggy... damn
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] drspikes:
The main cause of the lag is Haptic feedback - ie the little vibration with each key press. Turn this off if you can live without it and you will get a much faster response.

The other cause of lag is as it searches for suggested words - have a play with the prediction settings to see if that makes a difference.

I have to say that I am utterly happy with VillainRom 5.4. I started autokiller on moderate settings then I used the overclock widget to force it to run at maximum speed when the screen is on and minimum speed when it is off and it works brilliantly. Full complements to the chef!
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] schlagg:
when we'll we see a 2.1 rom from you??

i'm under the mr bang 1.7 (too lazy for now to switch to 2.0) and its the fastest i've ever tested ...
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] booon:
I did have a little play with the heptic feedback, but to be honest, i didn't really see much difference. Didn't test the prediction settings, didn't think of that, but if it works on the 1.5 stock rom perfectly, without any tinkerings, it should surly be possible with the 2.1 roms.

anyhow, to be honest, although i dont like the market app on 1.5, everything else is great. So i think I am just going to wait now for the official 2.1. I am tired of rom hopping.
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] havocnl:
Even if i turned off the haptic feedback the keyboard is just darn slow....

How can it be that the same suggested words in 1.5/1.6 work so much faster...

Its really annoying that typing is this slow on the 2.1 roms, especially looking at the many sms messages is send :P

or does anyone have a suggestion for another (quick) keyboard that also has word suggestion/correction???
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] withoutwings:
I found the HTC_IME v24 keyboard to be an improvement on previous ones and usable for me, even with haptic on. But then maybe I don't type as quick as others! :D
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] thunderpossuem:
you absolutely have to try villainslide. I pretty much came when I used the keyboard

Sent from my HTC Hero using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] havocnl:
also tried that, it was a small improvement but still can't type more then 2 keys a second :( :confused:
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] havocnl:
Just curious, was the keyboard the mod version? or was it a clean version?

I have the idea the lag also comes from some of the mods...
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] solsviken:
i also notice a huge lag when typing on my HTC Hero using VillainRom 5.4, its been like this in 5.2, 5.3 as well. (the only roms ive tested).

Tried turning of the feedback thing, but that didnt help at all.

Quite annoying, can someone try and find a way to fix this ? The rom it self is perfect else.
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] twit_xp:
Hi I'm using the latest better keyboard with sensehero 2.1 I dare say its just as smooth as typing on my itouch: ) give it a shot. It supports multitouch too: )
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] havocnl:
is it on market? can i just install it?
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] twit_xp:
Its a paid app from the market. I think theres a free one month trial version available though :)
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] MentalDeath:
I bought Smart Keyboard Pro and I noticed a difference you can try it out if you want and if you dont like it you can get a refund within 24hrs of purchase
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] trikko:
I don't use htc keyboard anymore. Try shapewriter. It's free. It's impressive... A really really fast way to write... Just a couple of minutes to learn how to use...

Try it from market!
[XPERIA X10 General] bryanfuria:
Hello everyone

I'm noticing that too often when connected wirelessly to the x10 (line fastweb home) connection takes a few minutes or a few seconds and then falls wrapped the line ... Is there a way to solve this problem? Or there is a program that allows me to use the wi-fi on your laptop?thanks
[Hero, G2 Touch General] richbayliss:
Has anyone else noticed that the sync agent on vanilla 2.1 is different to the 2.1 HTC/Sense version, with regards to Exchange...?

I have been swapping between ROMs alot latel in an effort to find the one that best suits my needs, and when I jumped to a 2.1 vanilla I could no longer setup my exchange account.

The reason is due to me using "servername:444" and the agent doesn't like being told a port number. I have already submitted this bug, before you ask. :p

Is it possible to "port","steal","migrate" etc, the agent from a Sense ROM into a Vanilla ROM?? I truly don't know.

Any help here is very welcome!
[Hero, G2 Touch General] zhezhan:
This is the only reason, why i'm on a sense rom - otherwise i would use a vanilla Rom. If there are solutions to port the Sense Version of Exchange Sync i would change my rom too.
[Desire General] kiwizz:
This is the error:

File not recieved

File:(any file)

Failure reason: This transfer is not allowed by the target device

Fixed by freeing up space on the SD card.
[Desire General] TrueTenacity:
Can't be... there's over 1GB free on my SD card and it's not letting me transfer...
[Desire General] khanzhinvlad:
When you attempt transfer large file over bluetooth. Computer displays error message:

"Insufficient system resources exist to complete the requested service."

This is general problem of Windows OS bluetooth stack on PC, not mobile device.

Workaround:

Steps to copy large files(a few hundreds MB) from PC to mobile device.

1. copy file in any place on your computer - buffering in memory occurs.

2. Transfer that file from PC to mobile device over bluetooth.

That way, You may transfer files with size over 1GB.
[Desire General] interqd:
same thing happen to me.. so i just install bluetooth file transfer from market.. have to open the apps before receiving..
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] partydaniel:
Who can help me to find a WM6.5 Rom for my HTC, I don't know what I have to do!

Thx

---------------------

Hallo zusammen,

ich bin auf der Suche nach einem Deutschen WM6.5 ROM und weiss absolut nicht welche das Richtige für mich ist.

Ich habe schon das ein oder andere probiert allerdings ohne Erfolg es endete immer mit einer Errormeldung.

Danke!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] MvSt:
Ok,

first of all you should read and understand this threat >>klick<< about HardSPL and CID unlocking your Diamond.

After this, you can try out different roms to look wich one meets your needs.

Without CID-unlock you may brick your phone or you will have problems with flashing a rom.

----

German:

Du solltest erstmal den folgen Threat <<klick>> über HardSPL und CID-Unlock durchlesen und verstehen.

Danach kannst Du verschiedene Rom ausprobieren und sehen welches am besten zu Dir passt.

OHNE HardSPL und CID-unlock wirst Du entweder Dein Gerät schrotten oder es wird mit den Dir bekannten Fehler - Meldungen abbrechen!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] networkn:
Hi There!

Is there any reason this wouldn't run together if some clever person could port it?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xmoo:
For all thos bull**** to run on the HD2.

We need a running Linux Kernell.

And that a.t.m. isn't 100% working yet.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] v-b-n:
.... lol :D :D
[General Topics] ArtieQ:
I have an argue with my friend who can't accept that multitasking is something which people need. He has an iPhone and I have a HTC TD2, I told him there are 100 reasons why multitasking is better and that iPhone is far behind because it can only run 1 process at the time.

Could you guys provide me with some reason WHY multitasking is good or better than just running 1 process at the time?
[General Topics] ElCondor:
Enjoying music when navigating.

Push mail

Apps running in background open faster

online sync while playing games for example.

That sort of thing.
[General Topics] ArtieQ:
I actually took up most of these things and also the fact that you can talk to someone on the phone and go OUTSIDE the dialer and navigate to like email, messages and notes (very important for me) but what he says is this:

You can run music in background and use other programs at the same time.

Who the **** needs to go out of the dialer? Are you retarded? You can just say to the guy you're talking to that you will call him in 2 secs.

But that's exactly what you don't wanna do..
[General Topics] Draken Korin:
holy... :eek:

is that déjà-vu? exactly led this kind of kind of discussion with a collegue (quite bright otherwise) and listened to it between him and another of my colleagues

believe me, it's absolutely useless to discuss: any argument you lead will be smashed irrelevant of how reasonable it is

my personal opinion changed after that: it's got to be something like a general attitude in certain people who are at the same time (or for this reason?) mysteriously attracted to the iphone

spare your energy and leave them alone in their tiny little linear world, it's self inflicted imprisonment anyway; if they don't want to see the light, leave them in the dark ;)
[General Topics] ArtieQ:
Haha, that's amazing :D But you're right, it's useless to argue because it could go on forever and they will never realise the truth.
[General Topics] eaglesteve:
Ask him to listen to Internet radio and surf the Internet at the same time.

Ask him to listen to the Internet and use a music identifier program to find out the name and singer if that nice song.

Ask him to download a movie then while waiting for it to complete listen to his iPod music.

BTW iPod can and does multitasking the stock programs. It also run the stock program in the background and one third party program in the foreground. It just does not allow third party program to run in the background. Unless he jailbreaks or use OS 4.0.
[General Topics] Menneisyys:
it's not impossible with a lot of radio stations on the iPhone w/o jailbreaking - see section "1.2.1 Playing in the background" in my dedicated article at http://www.iphonelife.com/blog/87/e...need-know-about-listening-radio-iphone-part-i .

Note that both ooTunes and Pocket Tunes have received background playback capabilities in the meantime.
[General Topics] MooGoo:
Tell him that multitasking is good because Steve Job's has added it to iPhone OS 4 (don't bother trying to explain the limits and conditions that come with it, you might give me a brain tumor).

That ought to change his world view real quick.
[General Topics] eaglesteve:
Strictly speaking you're right. I was just saying that in general it is the case. My own Internet radio has this feature too without jailbreak, but most of them can't do it without jailbreak.

Great article you've written there.
[General Topics] chikoo:
The human brain can in general only focus on two tasks at a time.

Same would go for the device.

You do not want a phone that while you are talking to somebody

1. also plays music

2. and is also providing turn-by-turn voice navigation

3. is reading your incoming text messages

4. announcing your appointments

Multi tasking only makes sense when the task themselves make sense to be done together.
[General Topics] Tabbe:
Instant Messenger Programs

some program just end the connections when switch to other apps, causing you to log off from the server.
[General Topics] MooGoo:
I would say that the human brain can only really focus on one task at a time. We are terrible at multitasking despite protests to the contrary by some.

If I am reading a web page while listening to music, it is very unlikely that I am actually paying attention to the song or its lyrics. The same goes vice versa.

There is what we are currently focused on, and then there is background noise. If we try to split our attention, we usually end up doing both tasks less well.

Thus multitasking on computers is not usually about allowing us to do two things at once, it is about not shutting down or halting one task when we briefly switch our attention to another.

For many situations, simply suspending the operation of of a program until it regains focus is sufficient. But there are always, always exceptions where having the option of true multitasking will save a lot of headaches and frustrations. Usually this involves cases where the computer needs to maintain a persistent connection to a server such as for IM, SSH, etc.

The scenarios you mentioned all involve background apps interfering with the in-call speaker. This is easily solved by simply giving the phone "app" exclusive use of the external audio while a call is in session.
[General Topics] xaccers:
Actually I'd find that very useful.

If I'm going for a long journey to somewhere new, I'll have my blackstone bluetoothed to my radio, giving directions from tomtom while either playing music from the storage card or internet radio. It's also recieving emails in the background. Reading out texts would be a boon as it would mean I'd not have to hit the home button, then read the text, then drop back to tomtom (which was merrily running in the background).

Similarly if I need to pull over and take a call, look up information in one of the notes and send an email after cutting and pasting that information, then drop back to tomtom without having to wait for it to find the gps signal again.

Today I had to phone the tax office, so switched from the dialer to notes to give them the reference number and take down any info they gave me. If I couldn't do that, I'd have to write the information on my hand or carry around a notebook and pen all the time.
[General Topics] eaglesteve:
Not disputing that at all. Users can't watch a video and use TomTom at the same time.

It makes sense that VOIP could continue to receive call in the background. Or download to continue in the background. Or GPS position tracking to continue if you havev to receive that call and when the call is finished your gps should be showing you at where you are without having to start it all over again. Or music, radio, podcast must be allowed to continue while reading an ebook or surf the net. These activities could go together for most users without distractions.
[General Topics] baileyxx:
I have a good one, tell him to tell his boss that multitasking is bad...

Let the boss enlighten him... LoLz..

I have been talking to iphone users n have given up a loooooong time ago.. To them iphone is "God", so when u threaten or question their God... U know what happens next,haha...
[Hero, G2 Touch General] hkr:
interesting theory, do you have any prove for that?
[Hero, G2 Touch General] alsheron:
Proof

As my "theory" isn't a legal case, I don't need that most dubiously elusive of things called "proof" so commonly demanded in order to dismiss common sense reasoning.

My brain and the common sense it contains leads me to believe what I said. I'm far from the only one. If HTC are not deliberately witholding the 2.1 their reasons elude me as not only is the Legend hugely similar but even development here have been able to put together almost passable ROMs with the leftovers from currently released resources and some leaks. Common sense. It ain't proof, but I, like many others with the Hero only need to feel a certain way before I start to get irritated. No proof required. The restlessness and dissatisfaction with HTC from Hero users specifically is very real and if its percieved to be true then in practical terms, it is.