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[Nexus One General] Maxymo123:
But you have to admit that the theory about frozen apps is wrong. They are not frozen, they eat CPU power bit by bit.

I'm not arguing with you about reasonableness of using task killers.

It has been clearly explained that they are useless.

However again I have came across several slowdowns of my Go Launcher Ex and it has speed up reasonably after killing all apps. So that issue concerning android's memory management (when it's needed than it's cleared) is also a bit of myth. Why it wasn't cleared when it was needed?

At the end: what a philosophy is it - if you don't want a mess in your background processes uninstall all app you don't use. It's stupid and I don't like that. I have the market and the space on my phone to KEEP the apps even if I generally do not use them for now.
[Nexus One General] djmcnz:
P-Its-About-Time-S-A

Wow, it's been a few pages and quite some months since I chimed in on this thread... or this topic in general.

I firmly supported the base contention of this thread for quite some time but have grown to understand that a task killer, coupled with another few tools, and in the hands of a knowledgeable person can speed up your system.

The problem is this is an infrequent combination.

Really task killers are good, killing tasks indiscriminately is not good.

A task killer can be used and can provide significant benefit under a certain conditions:

Understand what tasks are running, how much memory they use and how much CPU they are consuming. Perhaps there are some you did not know about but also, there will be many you learn not to care about.

I use "Task Manager" by publisher houmiak in the Market here which is quick, simple and free.

Tune your auto memfree manager settings to your requirements (I need to use "Aggressive, start killing tasks at ~100MB free or lower)

Without this accurate baseline for your usage, a task killer will just create havoc

MinFreeManager is available free on the Market for this

Tune this based on your observations of slow-downs and Task Manager above

You must understand what tasks start and for exactly what reason and to do this you need to be able to inspect app intents and triggers.

Understanding this allows you to understand "why the heck" an app has started, or is still running, when you think it shouldn't be. If you dont know this how can you know what to kill?

I use Autostarts for this (paid app) but there are probably others. The benefit of Autostarts is that I can selectively disable certain triggers. (e.g. I don't want Photobucket to auto-start when I mount my SD card - I'll start it when I need it thank you - even if that means it takes 1 sec longer to start when I click the icon, I only use it once a week.)

Then you need to turn off auto-kill in your task manager and exclude almost all of your apps from "Kill All".

95% of your apps will never need killing and most of those will cause pain if they're killed.

Remove all of your apps from "Kill All" (not "Auto-Kill" - that should be disabled totally) and then selectively add in the apps you want to be able to kill manually based on your knowledge of how they start (see above).

Only add in apps that are memory hogs, don't kill a background service you depend on (or the system depends on), and only "bad" apps that auto-start or fail to close properly.

Exclude, exclude, exclude - I have over 200 apps and about 7 only in my "Kill All" list.

Never, ever kill anything that includes "acore" or "framework" in the name.

Once it is set up correctly... and only then, can you hit the "Kill All" button whenever you experience a slowdown... be sure that the app you're using isn't in the kill list though!

So, Task Killers are brilliant... if you're not the average user...
[Nexus One General] djmcnz:
lol - coincidental timing, see my post above, should answer your questions... :)
[Nexus One General] RogerPodacter:
I'll totally agree and say yes over time the android method would chip away at the CPU and hence battery life. But the idea is that hopefully it would be so small an effect to as be insignificant.

I leave my phone idle for 8 hours overnight, and system panel monitoring logs each app that hit the CPU in order highest to lowest. Only 4 things show up in my list, system, system processes, system panel, and current widget. And these all only appear as 0.1% usage each. So it seems the android method does in fact work to me, unused apps just fade away over time and don't even wake up to do a single thing. I'll lose only 6% battery over the 8 hours.

Now during the day I do see 15 or 20 apps running in my list, but they don't register anything when the phone is left idle over night. So it does seem to work in practice for me. But who knows what a non stock phone does, maybe sense UI has poor behaving apps etc.
[Nexus One General] Jack_R1:
It WAS cleared when it was needed. The slowdowns you experience are just that - garbage collection.

If you don't like that - don't buy a smartphone that can properly multitask, because currently that's about your only option. Personally, with apps chewing 0.00001% of battery power each hour, and radio chewing ~1%, I couldn't care less.
[Nexus One General] Kermagod:
Just wondering, are there any apps out there that allow you to bypass the automatic app kill process, so that if an app is selected it will not be killed?
[Nexus One General] djmcnz:
No... unfortunately.
[Nexus One General] Paul22000:
That memory management is embedded into Android itself.

The only way to do this would be a custom ROM to modify that code.

Perhaps ask someone on the CyanogenMod team to build it in.
[Nexus One General] Kermagod:
Thank you both for your help.

I'll try and get in contact with the ROM devs.
[Nexus One General] zmfl:
Thanks for the info.

I used Watchdog to check CPU usage and noticed that background apps mostly aren't using any CPU time, but my task killer is always spending about 1-2%...

REMOVE! :)
[Nexus One General] thebigbe:
:bulb: :bright: :)
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] Tregrad:
this rom is totally bogus. phone locks when i scroll to setings, cant even find the "all settings" anymore. the all programs are completely lame and all you can do is to take a program you use alot is "move to top" THATS IT?!?!? puhleese. I get cprog.exe errors while sending text messages.

is there a decent rom out there?
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] sweena1:
I've been using NRGZ28's EnergyROM for a week or so and haven't had any issues. Check it out here...http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=86489

This ROM changed my perception of what my phone should have been like all along.

Cheers and good luck!
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] cd85233:
I prefer 6.1. I just started getting some kitchens and building my own since no one really does 6.1 anymore.
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] atomic2mod:
I'm back to 6.1 as well. I flashed the stock 6.1 ROM back on it and then I missed the weather not updating and showing up in the clock.

I now have the best of both worlds:

Scosler's Sprint Basics 1.2 has WM6.1 plus the Manila Sense 2.1 .

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=111810

It's fast!! Awesome ROM!
[Hero CDMA General] marcusva79:
With any of the 2.1 roms out my camera is just either slow or takes blurry pictures. 5 PIXELS MY ASS. WTF!

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[Hero CDMA General] hchavarria:
I have issues even with my 1.5 stock, slow to shoot, slow to record, just overall slow.
[Hero CDMA General] ramiss:
I don't have any issues. Perhaps you have a hardware problem?
[Hero CDMA General] DirtyShroomz:
No issues here either. My pictures come out crystal clear. Lay off the cocaine and your hands wont shake so much
[Hero CDMA General] MILH0U5E:
mine is the same, has a white haze in any pic i take. i think it has something to do with the 2.1 builds.

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[Hero CDMA General] liquidtenmillion:
The HTC hero definitely has a poor quality camera. It is because the light sensor has trouble working too well in dark environments. Also, the shutter speed is very very slow, the slowest shutter speed of any digital camera i've ever used on any phone.

On 2.1(any rom) it seems the shutter speed is even slower. This is probably due to a bug in the 2.1 camera driver.

Take a picture on your HTC hero with 2.1 of something that's moving. I guarantee you it will be VERY blurry. Take it with 1.5, it will still be blurry, but not nearly so much.

Now take it with, for example, the droid. It will come out perfectly on the motorola droid running 2.1 with it's 5MP camera.
[Hero CDMA General] danknee:
Megapixels don't equal quality level >> http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/mpmyth.htm
[Hero CDMA General] smw6180:
Pro tip: In camera, under settings, manually set ISO to 800. You'll get much better pictures. under 1.5 or 2.x the auto iso is crap.

If you still get lousy pics, check your lighting, and clean the camera lens cover.

If you STILL get lousy pics, take the phone back and get a refurb replacement.
[Hero CDMA General] marcusva79:
hahah the camera is just lousy. tried doing a fix and yadda yadda. everything is blurry. maybe it is cocsine hands haha

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[Hero CDMA General] jlem26:
What he said. I was almost as disappointed with the Hero camera as I was with the Moment. However if you set it to 800 and make sure you change the lighting manually too you can take pretty good pics. Not as good as we would all like, but still good.
[Hero CDMA General] wtphoto:
ok hate to break it to ya but you are talking about a camera on a cell phone.

first just becuase it has 5 MP doesnt mean a dam thing I can get the same quality photo from a 2mp point and shoot as I can from my 24.5mp DSLR all the MP really mean is that you can enlarge the photo more without degredation.

second follow the instructions above they will gain you a few stops of shutter speed since being on auto probably keeps it at around 200-400 as that is normal native ISO.

after that go into settings and unless you are taking a bunch of photos of landscapes change your metering mode to center or spot if you are mainly taking photos of people then this is going to give you a better exposure of the person.

in my opinion this is why cell phones dont need these kinds of cameras on them. they give a more functional and customizable camera and instead of trying to understand basic camera functions people are just going to say "this camera is crap"
[Hero CDMA General] ramiss:
Uh...I don't have an ISO option under settings.
[Hero CDMA General] smw6180:
Then your camera app is busted.

You started the camera, pulled out the tab, then tapped on the 'gears' (for settings) right?
[Hero CDMA General] mgraham361:
Damn I really thought it was the camera!

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[Hero CDMA General] smw6180:
I agree. Not every idiot with a camera is a photographer. Mostly they're just idiots.
[Hero CDMA General] noobmodder:
There's just no way around it, the Hero's camera is rather disappointing hardware wise, however it is on par with most other (lower end) cell phone cameras. It works for quick snapshots like it was designed, so I don't really complain.
[Hero CDMA General] smw6180:
Exactly. It is what it IS. It's not MEANT to take professional grade wedding photos...or photos that you plan to keep forever. It's meant for pictures to be shared on facebook, or flickr. More for social networking than 'hey, let's take all our vacation photos with the phone!'.
[Hero CDMA General] liquidtenmillion:
That is ridiculous. So what if i'm not a "professional" photographer. I STILL WANT high quality images when I DO decide to take a photo.

And guess what, the Motorola Droid, which is a cellphone if I am not mistaken..., can take pictures that are FAR higher quality than the HTC Hero.

The reason the hero's camera is so terrible is because of

1. The light sensor

2. Shutter speed

Now maybe I am wrong and the Droid really is a digital camera and that's why it is higher quality, but I have a feeling that HTC just put a ****ty camera on this phone...
[Hero CDMA General] smw6180:
Then umm...use a real digital camera?

And your point is? Then switch to Verizon and use the droid. I prefer that my phone's primary function is..well...a phone.

Umm..this has been covered. It IS a ****ty camera. You just can't GET professional quality pictures from a cell phone with the current state of the technology. I'll concede the pictures from the Droid are better (haven't seen it, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt), but you and I obviously have a different definition of 'high quality' if you think any pictures from any cell phone meet that description.

You probably mean 'less blurry'. This is almost always due to lighting. Conceded the droid might have better light management. But side by side in a well lit room the pictures will likely be equivalent.
[Hero CDMA General] fixxxer2008:
the camera works fine for me, best camera in a phone ive had so far.
[Hero CDMA General] Negrito:
Obviously people dont know how to use a camera...

All these were taken on my phone...

Water drops on grass...

Palms casino at sunset...

Stay Gold!

My pool...

Getting the hookah goin...

Hose dripping into the pool...

Ronald McDonald @ UNLV game half time...

Las Vegas through the plane window...

Cookies i made...

EDIT: My roommate/co worker has a Moto Droid, and I can take a better picture EVERY time, fwiw...
[Hero CDMA General] MILH0U5E:
Those pics are good... Something MUST be wrong with my hardware... Below are some pics that I took for work while running IC3 ROM... I have ISO set to 800... guess I can't post pics... so here are the links.

http://http://www.flickr.com/photos/lot13photography/4592047733/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lot13photography/4592047733/in/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lot13photography/4592667030/in/photostream/
[Hero CDMA General] radxcoresteven:
@Negrito, what are your settings? and I'm assuming that you regularly clean the lens and the battery cover. Any tips?
[Hero CDMA General] Negrito:
Mind you these are the best of the bunch, but I wanted to illustrate that this camera is capable of incredible pics. I believe they were all ISO100 except the plane shot, that one had to be 800 or whatever the highest is. Im running FreshToast right now so dont have access to the settings. I do know that I only shoot pics at 1MP resolution though. IMO, using the full 5MP is just stupid. You cant MMS a photo that big, plus I seriously doubt you are gaining anything, except a larger file size. Try setting your white balance accordingly as well. I do not 'regularly' clean any part of the phone, but if I take a pic and it looks hazy then i'll try to wipe the lens/battery cover. I usually just use my wife beater. Not sure if its the best idea, but it works for me.

The main thing is to hold still. I normally try to lean against something, or prop my elbows on a ledge or do something to steady my body. Then I take a deep breath and as i control the release of my breath I snap the photo when i feel steady enough.

Many more pics from my Hero can be seen on my

Flikr

.
[Hero CDMA General] wtphoto:
Don't get me wrong there are some really great photos taken with cell phones, I mean do a search for Chase jarvis/i phone and you will see some amazing stuff. However a: he is a pro photographer and b: he uses a third party app that gives him more control over the camera settings.

And to the op it doesn't matter if your a pro or not I have friends that I would kill to have their skills and eye and it is a hobby for them. The fact of the matter is that the camera on the hero has poor hardware. Your issues have nothing to do with the light sensor as cameras like this use ttl meeting to calculate exposure and to fix your issue with shutter speed...turn on some lights.

Now if you want to complaine that it doesn't have a flash for lower light situations then I will be right there with you. I think that with led flash technology where it is, the fact that they even make a camera phone without one is stupid. But once again its a hardware issue.

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[Hero CDMA General] Negrito:
I strongly disagree. I think people expect too much from things. Its a cell phone, you dont expect it to run full blown photoshop to edit pics do you? Exactly. So why think you are going to get DSLR results from its camera feature?

Do any of you complaining know how a digital camera works? It's ALL about the sensor. Guess what, you cant put a digi camera size sensor in a cell phone. They will never be on par with each other, and dont be fooled... Megapixels is pretty much an irrelevant number used as a sales ploy.

@wtphoto: This isnt aimed at you i mean it more in a general sense. I just wasnt sure how to word it that way.
[Hero CDMA General] tejasrichard:
There is a reason that, when I want to take quality pictures, I pull out my 70's vintage vivitar. Yes, I know that cameras have advanced since then, but to significantly increase the quality of pics would cost more than I'm willing to spend ;)
[Hero CDMA General] jonnythan:
Not all sensors the same size are created equal. Some phone cameras are much better than others.
[Hero CDMA General] Negrito:
Not sure if that's in agreement to what i said or a rebuttal, but I completely agree with your statement.
[Hero CDMA General] wtphoto:
Lol you and I are pretty much saying the same thing. And BTW great shot of the palms.

@tejasrichard there is nothing wrong with the old film cams, I have a late 60's yashica that I absolutely love.

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[Hero CDMA General] ramiss:
Busted? Thanks for using such a technical term! :rolleyes: The software works fine, however it does not have that feature, which tells me I probably have a different version.

I am using the FixxxedSenseV1.0 / based on fresh 2.0d ROM which has the aosp camera. Is the aosp camera an older version?
[Hero CDMA General] Negrito:
Not sure if its older or newer, but the HTC camera app is superior in that it has all kinds of nice settings. Like this is the first camera phone that i have seen that you can actually set your ISO.
[Hero CDMA General] tedya:
One thing you can do to get a faster "shutter speed" ( I am not sure this is actually the issue) is to lower the resolution if you don't need 5mp. Mostly I shoot a pic, show it to a few friends and delete it. No need for 5mp there. Try it. Lower the resolution to 1M or Small and you will see the "shutter" is faster and the time to the next picture (which is probably the issue) is faster as well.

The slowness is most likely due to the phone not having a great CCD processor. The higher the MP the slower the photo processing speed, etc.

The best cameras on phones I have used are the Nokia N-Series camera phones (N95, N82, N96). They even have an optical f2.8 aperture.
[Hero CDMA General] BrianDigital:
I came here to complain argh grrrrrrrrr
[Hero CDMA General] ramiss:
Thanks, I'll try it.
[Hero CDMA General] smw6180:
It's as technical as I can get not knowing ahead of time what you were using. :rolleyes:
[Hero CDMA General] srkmagnus:
Fixxxer was kind enough to provide a signed .apk in his ROM thread Here
[Hero CDMA General] Jye75:
I agree, play with the settings, take your time, and you can get great pics from the Hero's camera.

That being said, obversely, (not that this matters to anyone here) the camera on the Palm Pre takes awesome pictures without having to mess with settings, or even really worrying about holding the phone still. I use my old Pre in airplane mode simply for the camera when I want to take quick, clear shots.
[Hero CDMA General] landon.welch:
Camera and Trackball 2.2 Cm6

Camera and Trackball

I have sifted through the threads, and haven't found a definitive explanation as to why these haven't been corrected. I would assume the answer is drivers, and the third party programs are greatly lacking. Thanks for any insight.
[Hero CDMA General] iczerjones:
After reading this thread and given my own experience with the Hero, I'm inclined to side with user error (or hyperactivity due to illicit stimulants, etc) or faulty hardware. I did not expect much from the camera on my Hero, but have been continually wow'ed by the image quality. Really, the only times I can see shortcomings or defects are in low light since no flash and of course if you attempt to blow up a pic after the fact. (great face image, no optical zoom of course)
[Hero CDMA General] DirtyShroomz:
My photos come out crystal clear and beautiful as well...

The camera doesn't suck, you just suck at using cameras :)
[Hero CDMA General] Jeepman007:
When my phone was stock 1.5 CellSouth Hero, the pics where fantastic. Once I updated to the Sprint 2.1 and then to the CS 2.1 RUU now Dirteh, my camera is just slightly better than my BB Pearl.

I messed with the ISO and it really didn't make a difference. I believe the new camera software, although much more robust is holding the camera back.
[Hero CDMA General] bcarter2000:
I use camera 360. It takes great pictures, with or without the effects (Some of which, are pretty nice for a phone). I use it on Darchstar's 2.2 and still takes great pics, you just need to know how to aim.
[Hero CDMA General] pgreptom:
Link doesn't work. Anyone have another .apk?
[Hero CDMA General] unCoRrUpTeD:
I bought an Olympus camera 7 years ago and it is only a 3.2 MP camera. At the time they were just coming out with 5, 6 and 8 MP cameras and it takes better shots than most out today. My lower resolution camera takes better pictures than my phone. I use my phone for spur of the moment things I want to take pictures of, but I also keep my camera in my truck so it is always where I am.
[Hero CDMA General] rockypr:
Camera is To Slow and don;t Focus, is you are taking a photo of a kid, and the kid is moving a round YOU CAN'T!
[Hero CDMA General] atoz350:
This is a pic of moving cars and train taken with my Hero.

Hint: Clean your lens. There is one on the camera and one on the battery cover.
[Hero CDMA General] rockypr:
Are you serius? Is that the stock APP or what?
[Hero CDMA General] gonzoangel:
i took some DECENT pictures last night, fully zoomed in while in a crowd of pulsating fans

i'd say this is good enough
[Hero CDMA General] atoz350:
Yeah. It's the stock camera app.
[Hero CDMA General] pgreptom:
Is there a Camera app other than HTC that will let you change ISO?

The HTCCamera crashes on Darchstar 2.7 as I thought.. no HTC Framework.

Anyone?
[HD2 General] GLO:
Hi,

At times, my HD2 appears to hang.

I suspect that its a push email app that is downloading, but i'd like to see the CPU speed in the task bar if possible.

Is there any such app? or hack?
[HD2 General] Zentury:
Newer version of BattClock has CPU monitoring.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=612083
[HD2 General] GLO:
Thanks for that!

Just what i was after!
[HD2 General] 3octaves:
Hi, would someone with the know how like to make a nice icon of the HD2 to be used on the PC for the sync icon?

I have looked all over the net and can't find one, I am using an Ipaq one for now that is a bit of a close match but would of course like a HD2 one.

Any good icon makers out there?

Thanks.
[HD2 General] GSI:
Here it is

http : / / gsi.no.sapo.pt/HD2.rar

remove the spaces because I'm not allowed to post direct links

Cheers
[HD2 General] 3octaves:
Champion!!

Thank you very much for that!
[HD2 General] jeff7790:
Opera mobile 9.7 with the pinch and zoom and no magnifying glass for zooming

Stock Youtube App

Teeter

Markekplace

Reason is the rom i installed came without this apps .

Well its 4 Apps
[HD2 General] merkman90:
Simple search always helps :p

but here you go http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=653563 for some of them

if the roms dont come with the apps.. normaly the chef will provide the cabs
[HD2 General] sirphunkee:
Teeter and YouTube apps will be in THIS thread
[HD2 General] jeff7790:
Well thanks for making my life a little easier now im just missing the Marketplace app
[HD2 General] zelendel:
Here you go