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[Desire General] dougsdir:
try deleting your internet cache
[Desire General] DaddyCee:
Why have you done this?
[Desire General] tingsagwaan:
I am having similar issues. Coming from a winmob I find it amazing that you cannot install apps to the SD card out of the box and have to go through a long, no doubt complex and warranty voiding process to to be able to do it and then, if my experience with flashing winmobs is anything to go by, the phone will never work quite the same again! That said is there a guide available for rooting a desire and can anyone tell us the dangers / benefits?
[Desire General] abc27:
So I can install apps to my sd card? Kind of obvious no? :confused:

It's a security issue with Linux based phones. It's not a "long, no doubt complex and warranty voiding process". It's not exactly difficult to do so long as you can follow instructions. The only time consuming part might be downloading a linux live cd to use to complete the rooting process. I've already proved in another thread that the action of rooting itself won't void the warranty, the warranty becomes invalidated only if a defect is caused by the rooting of the device.

Windows Mobile is a whole other animal than Android so don't take that in to account. The rom you flash during the rooting process is a standard generic rom, the only difference is that it gives you root access.
[Desire General] tingsagwaan:
That sounds great abc, very reassuring thanks. Are there any decent instructions you could point me to?
[Desire General] abc27:
http://android.modaco.com/content/h...ide-now-with-new-improved-easier-root-method/

There ya go.

He's even simplified the process since yesterday :D
[Desire General] tingsagwaan:
Thanks a lot abc. Have you or anyone else rooted their phones yet? Does it affect the phone detrimentally in anyway? Is the only advantage Apps2SD or are there other benifits? How do you implement Apps2SD once you are rooted? Thanks!
[Desire General] OnlinePredator:
Check your news feed apps, rss feeds etc through the manage applications and check their cache. I found my news feed widget from google has kept 42mb in it's cache, and kept growing every time it updated....
[Desire General] TheOriginalKi:
Surely it would store the cache on the SD though?
[Desire General] abc27:
It doesn't. Crazy.
[Desire General] Golgo:
Do we have nandroid with full backup/restore of all partitions working yet?

If so, some instructions would be greatly appreciated :)
[Desire General] alex101uk:
we wont have nandroid until we have a custom recovery image and possibly full /system access
[Desire General] Golgo:
So... are we seeing any progress in the nandroid department yet?

I distinctly remember seeing a twitpic (from Paul?) of a Desire running custom recovery image so that shouldn't be a problem.

What's holding it back?
[Desire General] abats:
You can make nandroid backups from the recovery....
[Desire General] jayshah:
That's precisely what I thought.

I'm sure he said it wasn't a recovery image, but just an app/script. In any case, if we run the recovery script we have the NAND backup/restore options amongst the others (wipe/partition/etc).

Can you elaborate on this please? You can write /system (and probably any other partition) from within the recovery.

Run the step2.sh from Paul's given files, and you'll see a quick adb shell and mount /system gives full rw to /system.
[Desire General] Golgo:
Really? And it's fully working?

I've been reluctant to try other roms until I knew nandroid was a go.

So just to be crystal clear - I can take a nandroid backup of EVERYTHING, the full stock-rom incl. every partition and restore it later just as easily?
[Desire General] jayshah:
Nope (unless you invent/modify the method yourself using the RUU and recovery shell - not 100% sure it's possible). You can only nandroid what's on there past Pauls rootedupdate.zip if you use his instructions.
[Desire General] Golgo:
Ok, so you cant make a full backup of /system, /data etc?

Too bad. nandroid is damn handy when you'r messing around with custom roms!
[Desire General] DocRambone:
Nandroid make full back as usual. I used it many times without any issues when playing with different desire roms.
[Desire General] jayshah:
Of course you can. I said you can nandoid past Pauls update, and not the stock ROM as you said.
[Desire General] Golgo:
Ah, alright. Shame :(
[Desire General] Nekromantik:
Im new to this so let me get this right, I currently have a rooted stock ROM by Paul using the original linux rooting method. Can I use nandroid to back up this up and then flash a cooked ROM and if I do not like it then I can use the back up to reflash back to where I was?
[Desire General] jayshah:
Yes. If you nandroid restore, it will be as if absolutely nothing has changed (excluding any SD card data changes).
[Desire General] Nekromantik:
thanks :)

I still need to push the recovery files in order to get into the recovery menu in order to flash etc. Will that mean I cant nandroid my current ROM?
[Desire General] The Professor:
That's something I've wondered for a bit - can you push the recovery files (step 2) without doing step 1? And if so, can you trigger a nandroid backup on it?

I don't THINK you can, but I skipped it entirely, so it might be worth trying. Worst thing that happens is it fails, right? Can you get into recovery without rooting?
[Desire General] Nekromantik:
I cant get into the custom recovery menu without pushing the recovery files so I think we need a custom ROM to be able to get into the recovery menu directly from the phone.
[Desire General] jayshah:
Yes, this is exactly what I did. I have a recovery.sh file which is just step2.sh without the push of rootedupdate.zip each time.

# pwd
/sbin
# ./nandroid-mobile.sh -b
cp: './nandroid-mobile.sh' and '/sbin/nandroid-mobile.sh' are the same file

nandroid-mobile v2.2.1

Using G1 keyboard, enter a prefix substring and then <CR>
or just <CR> to accept default:

Using - prefix to create a backup folder

mounting system and data read-only, sdcard read-write
checking free space on sdcard
Dumping boot to /sdcard/nandroid/HT044PL07434/BCDMRS-20100505-1350/boot.img...done
Dumping recovery to /sdcard/nandroid/HT044PL07434/BCDMRS-20100505-1350/recovery.img...done
Dumping misc to /sdcard/nandroid/HT044PL07434/BCDMRS-20100505-1350/misc.img...done
Dumping system to /sdcard/nandroid/HT044PL07434/BCDMRS-20100505-1350/system.img...done
Dumping data to /sdcard/nandroid/HT044PL07434/BCDMRS-20100505-1350/data.img...done
Dumping cache to /sdcard/nandroid/HT044PL07434/BCDMRS-20100505-1350/cache.img...done
generating md5sum file...done
unmounting system, data and sdcard
Backup successful.
#

Edit: Running a nandroid using the GUI method worked too, the 2nd time. 1st time failed, hence I did it manually above.
[Desire General] watercool:
-edit- hm, got this

Using - prefix to create a backup folder

mounting system and data read-only, sdcard read-write
checking free space on sdcard

mtd: MEMGETBADBLOCK returned 1 at 0x00240000 (errno=0)
Dumping boot to /sdcard/nandroid/HT03WPL08829/BCDMRS-20100511-1419/boot.img...mt
d: MEMGETBADBLOCK returned 1 at 0x00240000 (errno=0)
done

.
.
.
.
Backup successful.
#

what does this mean?
[HD2 General] sev15:
i am on the stock radio 2.10 stock rom with alot of tweaks i have done my self ok the problem is it seems my tmobo conection is harribal indoors 1 or 2 bars edge and alway s changeing if i step outside the bars shoot all the way to full 3g will flashing the 2.11 radio help this at all or is this just what i have to deal with on tmobo network any tips or tweaks on geting better service indoors would help this seems to be any building or house not just one location PLEAS HELP!!!!
[HD2 General] egzthunder1:
A lot of us have the same issue. I think it could be that the signal strength in certain areas is not strong enough when inside buildings.
[HD2 General] zarathustrax:
T-Mobiles 1700mhz 3g band doesn't penetrate walls or objects as well as a lower mhz signal would like at&t's 850 band. It travels farther, though, so t-mobile doesn't need as many towers to cover an area, but that also means there is going to be more areas that have weak signals in a covered area. So, unless you're close to one of there towers, you won't get good 3g signals inside buildings.
[HD2 General] agentaaron:
The radio has to have something to do with it though because the 1700mhz band penetrates just fine for other HTC phones.

I have my HD2, MT3G and the G1...here at my desk at work, I can have all three side by side and the G1 has 2 bars 3G...the MT3G has 3 bars 3G...and my HD2 bounces all over the place between 3G and Edge... so you cannot tell me that they are receiving different signals.

...outside, or in 99% of other places I go I have no 3G problems with my HD2...unfortunately though, I spend a lot of time at work and would really love to have at least a steady 3G connection without having to put my SIM in a different phone.
[HD2 General] retrofred:
Try changing the access point

if you go into the connections setting for the tmob data connection access point address. tmob default is epc.tmobile.com. try usin wap.voicestream.com or internet2.voicestream.com
[HD2 General] sev15:
well i guess we cant look foward for better service tell more towers go up i did have a sidekick lx that was not bad indoors could this be due to the danger server if so is there anyway to use that server instead

it kinda sux when friends from work sit next to me and can use att and verizon tv and streaming and i can not with my supper phone with bad indoor connection wish i could do something about it or some of the supper guys here at xda
[HD2 General] osokrayzay:
Radios are ****, plain and simple. I have a g1 full bars 3g always on and my hd2 1-2 bars, 3g comes in and out. I called t-mo support and they tried the singal in your area bs. I said listen I have a G1 right next to the hd2 and that old clunker has full signal so stop there. Then they said, we are aware of the problem and are working on it.
[HD2 General] Gattling:
same here

i have my g1 and HD2 side by side and the g1 has 3 bars 3g and the HD2 has only 1 bar edge and won't respond!:mad:
[HD2 General] JWhipple:
No complaints about the HD2's reception here. Having come from a Nexus One, I had them at the same time for about 2 weeks.

The Nexus One dropped calls constantly while inside at work, forget about keeping a reliable 3G signal, in fact I was lucky to keep EDGE indoors. If you moved the wrong way (literally!) it would bounce around in signal strength and would lose data connection constantly.

Looking at the HD2, I have 3G connection pretty much constantly, jumping into H on a regular basis. No dropped calls, sound quality from the ear speaker is phenomenal , and never a lost data connection.

Outdoors is even better.

Again, no complaints here about TMoUS's signal here!
[HD2 General] sev15:
anyone know if the 2.11 will help at all
[HD2 General] aceo07:
I HATE that the HD2 will sometimes show full (phone) bars, not 3g or E, but yet not let you call. I had this happen to me for 2 minutes today. I had to go into settings and turn the phone option off/on and wait a minute for it to get a signal again. I'm in NYC, there's usually full 3G bars when outside.

This phone doesn't handle weak signals or situations when you enter and leave areas with no reception.
[HD2 General] sev15:
hmmmmmmm

i just found something iv been testing it for 30 min now if i lay my hd2 down flat on table or anything flat i can keep 3 bars 3g indoors i pick it up and hold in hand and boom 1 bar edge this is wierd wonder if this means anything im going to tryit at work tomorow see if it dose the same thing tryit see if your phone dose the same guys let me know i can stream video on mobi tv as long as its laying flat 3g i pick it up and the video stops and phone goes to edge
[HD2 General] dkb218:
Yes, that's one of the crazy things with this phone. It can sit on a table all day and the 3G icon will be full bars. As soon as you touch the damn thing, you see the bars drop to 1 then it goes to Edge full bars then it drops to G...and will not go back to 3G until you put the phone down.

This needs to update fast. Thing I'm gonna go back to my TP2 until then.
[HD2 General] piztol44pete:
I am a little confused here. some posts seem as if it might be a device issue and others seem to be leaning towards t-mobile. i had some really bad issues with my reception until i changed Radios. i am currently using 2.10.50.19._2 and my 3g signal seems to cut out less. but its is not as strong as my Tp2 which had excellent 3g signal, but i did call t-mobile and they said there have been issues reported in my area and they are working on it but if that is the case then my tp2 would also have the same issues which it does not! so i don't know what to make of it??
[HD2 General] speoples20:
I think its the phone. I've never had issues with my G1. I went to the Cliq and it had bad reception. I could set it next to my friends G1 and Mytouch and they both had 2 - 3 bas of 3G and I would be on Edge. The HD2 is a little better but not as good as the G1 and MyTouch. The N1 has the exact same issues and they are both HTC. Hopefully a radio or software update will fix the issue. Its a know issue with Tmobile so they are aware of the issue.
[HD2 General] blakkheartt12:
You can try to go to settings, personal, phone, band, and change the select yout network type option to wcdma. Leave the slect your gsm/umts band option to auto. This tells it to only connect to 3g. I had to do it with my at&t windows mobile phone when I was at my job to keep it on 3g. Also with my t-mobile hd2, in certain places i have to do it otherwise it switches between 3g and edge. Downside is, if there is no 3G signal available your phone will have no signal. It should work since the phone is detecting 3g signal.
[HD2 General] WhiteSites:
Its great to know that I am not the only person experiencing these issues with the HD2. I lay it down on my desk and it will read 3 bars 3G. Pick it up, and it drops to Edge. Never had these problems with my Xperia X1i. Something I have noticed is the battery life on my HD2 is much better than my Xperia X1i. Although it has a larger screen and smaller battery. I think the Engineers at HTC reduced the power to the Radio to help improve battery life. Anyone have any theories on how to increase the power to the radio antenna?
[HD2 General] sullitf:
Just saw this thread when I was looking for a solution to this exact problem. I just recently moved to Houston and can not seem to get a T-Mobile signal inside my house with my HD2. It got signal just fine in Alabama, but nothing here.

I have a Dash 3G right next to the HD2 with 3 bars of 3G, hd2 has nothing. I even put my sim card in an old hacked iPhone and it even gets signal inside. I can't figure this out but its making me consider having to get rid of the phone. What good is it when the phone doesn't get signal?

I also just saw the new 2.11.50.20 radio on the forums, so after I charge my hd2 i'm gonna try that out and see if it helps.
[HD2 General] WhiteSites:
I am from Houston too. ( Pearland Actually )

Same story here, inside my house NO 3G! However if I am driving around town I usually have 3 or 4 bars 3G. Let us know if that new radio ROM helps at all.
[HD2 General] sullitf:
No help. 2.11.50.20 isn't doing anything, still getting 0 bars inside and 2 bars of when I go onto my front porch. Down the road I get full 3G, so I don't understand whats going on at all
[HD2 General] WhiteSites:
I have already opened a ticket with t-mobile, with my indoor 3G issues. All I can suggest is to call in and open a ticket with advanced support. If enough people call in complaining about the HD2's indoor coverage T-Mobile will have to do something about it. The last ticket I opened, they said the engineer reported that everything in my area was fine. So I called in again and opened a new ticket, this time I had them leave a note to have the engineer not just drive around my area, but come to my house and experience NO 3G coverage. If a T-Mobile Engineer actually comes to my home I will have a huge amount of respect for T-Mobile and I will report it back to the community. However I will continue to call in a politely harass customer support, til the issue gets fixed.
[HD2 General] scrizz:
Wow, I feel for you guys.

I personally haven't had any indoor issues
[HD2 General] LvDisturbed1:
Everything is good here in Las Vegas...
[HD2 General] chiasoft:
Uhm.. you guys keep forgetting, the bars have nothing to do with the Data connection, the Bars are for Voice Calls signal strength. You can have 1 Bar of Voice with 3G or Edge. I've had occasions where I have 3G Data (@ 1.5Mbit), but no bars for voice calls. And it does have something to do with the Radio/Baseband controller & Software. Unless your walls are 3 inch thick Iron Cast, then you shouldn't have any issues with signal coming into a house/building. Most houses in the US are made of wood and sheet rock, so it has almost no effect on radio signal.
[HD2 General] jawash22:
2.11 radio

New radio working great for me in Corpus Christi,Tx...better reception and battery seems better. Still testing though...
[HD2 General] cjglenn99:
ummm....not to beat this dead horse even further. @Chiapet...Yes the older homes here in the U.S. were actually a wall and would drop signal faster than ****. It was actually a wall. Try and do one of those hit the wall instead of the wifes face moves....and when she's not looking your crying like a *****. im done.
[HD2 General] Nibbley15:
That's because your hand is a great signal blocker, and well the antenna is at the bottom of the phone below the battery; guess where you hold it?

yes the 2.11 radio has better reception for data etc; however worse for EDGE, and it will drain more battery power on standby. I am sticking with the 2.08 radio because it is best on battery on standby, and great for EDGE which is what I'm stuck with here in my little town.

Just my 2 cents....
[HD2 General] brianaz25:
2.11 fixed the dropping to edge and going back to 3g like crazy but now the data just seems to randomly drop... My apps that use data (active sync/facebook/weather/etc) just don't seem to realize that there is signal and the data connection is working. To get data back you have to either reboot fully or turn the phone off/on again in comm manager (turning just the data on/off doesn't help). does anyone know what might be causing this?

Has anyone tried the T-Mobile stock rom (T-Mobile_HD2_MR_Software_2.13.531.1) update to see if its fixed anything?
[HD2 General] pantect:
how do you do this, I', a newbee so a step by step instruction will be very helpful.

thank you.
[HD2 General] alexsql:
I have the same problem

Having the same problem with T-Mobile_HD2_MR_Software_2.13.531.1
[HD2 General] brianaz25:
Thakns - Last night I downloaded and installed every T-Mo US Radio Rom and so far 2.10 has worked with least issue (happens less frequently but it still happens)...

2.11 drained my battery in 1/2 a day where my TP2 normally gets thru atleast a day (~3hrs talk/active sync running/a few web browses)

2.09 did the crazy edge to 3g and back thing (almost like the accelerometer interferes with the radio - kind of funny for me)

2.08 same as 2.09

2.07 a little more stable but the phone tends to stay on edge instead of 3g and apps still seem to not realize i have data

2.06 same as 2.07

2.05 same as 2.07
[HD2 General] Yunico:
this doesnt sound like a good report at all :(
[HD2 General] scrizz:
for each person the experience is different; you won't know until you try.

For me the 2.11 radio is the best. ;)
[HD2 General] Jocutz1987:
ok one question if i have 2.10 rom and spl 2.08 is my radio 2.08
[HD2 General] brianaz25:
OK - so I have one more update.... 2.12 seems to be more stable in some parts of Phoenix Metro but not at home!!! BAHHHH!!!!!

I get MUCH better battery life than 2.11 (I get through one of my normal work days)

I still loose data connection after some amount of time (hrs) and need to reset the data connection (sometimes the whole phone)

Symtoms also seem to happen with weather tab and other location service based things (could it be location service killing it?)

recap of my symtoms:

1. turn phone on]

2. data works and is all happy

3. leave phone alone for a while (few hrs)

4. Data is gone

- Comm Mgr shows I have a data connection active

- Weather app won't update

- Google Maps won't find a data connection

- Skyfire times out eventually with an error about data connection

- Active Sync says "Waiting for network"

5. Reset the data connection a few times and it comes back (if that fails reboot the whole device)

I called T-Mobile HD2 support (apparently they have a new department for HD2 specific issues) and they said there's no known issues and NO ONE else has reported it. They are aware of a "No Data" issue but that is fixed by updating the APN. I explained to the guy all the details I had and naturally his solution was to replace the device. I explained I have two HD2's with the same problem and he filed some kind of "voice report" to the next level (I don't expect much) and filed a service request to check the towers (I don't expect much either)

Has anyone ever called HTC directly for support - if so how did that work out?
[HD2 General] Darkside_:
I was having the same issues, but now....

I too was having the same issues of weak or no 3G signal in my home. I was using the stock 2.13 ROM with the 2.10.50.26 radio. I changed the ROM to one cooked by Laurentius26, his newest Gold Edition. And my issues have gone bye bye. I now a 2 to 3 bar 3G signal in my house, often I have an H signal of the same strength. Outside I have a full 3G or H signal (3G most of the time). Always have a data connection. The only signal issues I have are when I'm in a retail store like Walmart in the electronics department. The Laurentius ROM I'm using still uses the 2.10.50.26 radio, but my signal issues are gone.
[HD2 General] HD2TYPE7:
Same Problem Here!

I also have an TMUSA HD2 also running on Core Cell Series, Pretty dope :D. Have the same Signal Problem as mentioned on this Thread, poor signal, jumping from 3G to Edge. I have flashed like 5 different Radios but no improvement I was just able to drain more battery. I went to T-Mobile and they changed my SIM Card but nothing. Called HTC and they said to download the latest ROM update but I don't think it will help since I'm running on Core Cell Series. Any advise? :)
[HD2 General] dotnetguyaz:
I've been running 2.12 for about 1.5 weeks now. In most parts of the valley, I get great reception (except for home which is Central Phoenix) and the west side (anything past 19th Ave and my signal drops to 2 bars of edge).

So far, in terms of battery and signal, 2.12 has been the best, but I am thinking about rolling back to 2.11.

One question, are you running BsB Tweaks? I found that when I turned on Wifi-N support, I had major data issues (no matter what, 3G/H would not connect). When I turn Wifi-N off, I get great connections...
[HD2 General] danxtian:
i'm in philadelphia, and currently using stock roms 2.10 [for me it's better than 2.13] before, i was using the stock radio also[2.08] and the signal is SOOOO not stable.. it kept dropping up and down from 3g. but then after i flashed the 2.12 radio, it is stable on 3g now, running for 3 days n counting now...:D
[HD2 General] danxtian:
about the wifi N.... i installed the wireless N-On.cab from touch_x. is that mean that my wifi-N is ALWAYS ON? if so, then i do not have the problem using the 2.12 radio plus the wifi-N combinations.
[HD2 General] dotnetguyaz:
I believe they do the same thing... it only seems to be an issue when running on the 2.12 radio. I tried it on the 2.11 and WiFi-N and it was fine. *shrug*