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[Touch CDMA General] NekoHunter:
I've recently started playing with some of the various Android builds available for the Vogue and I just can't make up my mind as to which OS I prefer.

On the one hand, Android is the shiny new toy. Many more apps are being developed for it than for Windows Mobile these days. In most cases, if an app has been ported to both platforms, the Android version is more polished and includes more features. Facebook and Foursquare are prime examples. Plus, it seems with the news on Windows Phone 7, much of the excitement for 6.1 and 6.5 is dying down, even though it is unlikely that the new OS will be Vogue-compatible.

On the other, Android for Vogue still has a ways to go to catch up to the native OS. In the various builds I've tried, camera support has been low-quality or non-existent. The battery meter doesn't seem accurate; I'll think everything's OK just to have the phone die of low battery. Exchange support (on the Donut builds at least) is limited to mail only, a real pain when I use the calendar functionality daily in my job, and I've come to take ActiveSync for granted in keeping contacts and calendar synced. The best workarounds I've seen so far are third party Exchange clients like Touchdown or Moxier (and have tried both), but neither actually syncs the Android address book or calendar directly to Exchange, so the integration is not as seamless as I was used to with WinMo.

I do think it's amazing the progress that the community has made at getting this brand new OS to run on our aging hardware, but I'm just questioning whether or not it's truly ready for everyday use. I will concede that I've been running Android from the SD card, and this may be some of the cause for the performance and stability issues, but I'm still not ready to commit.

TL;DR - Android is new and exciting, but doesn't do everything I was used to in Windows Mobile.

Which OS do you prefer for the Vogue? How has Android worked out for you?
[Touch CDMA General] aquenne:
I guess some of the main pitfalls you've run into with android, do not effect me. All of my calendar/contacts/mail applications are thru google, so android just syncs so much nicer than winmo. I know google has an activesync server, but it just seemed flaky, and the integration just wasnt nearly as smooth than with android.

I spent about 2 months with winmo, and 2 months now with android, and can say that I have zero reason to go back to windows.

And lately, Im leaning more towards eclair with the newer builds, they are getting more and more stable & fast. So much that the latest lite eclair build runs about the same as donut (but with all the extra features & nice-ities of 2.1). Only negative that effects me is the camera doesnt work with eclair, which I can do without.
[Touch CDMA General] egzthunder1:
For all practical purposes, I think it is best to keep Windows and simply load from SD if you feel like Android. While there are some advantages to running Android from NAND, I personally believe that the ability to do certain things with WM greatly outweighs a slight speed increase.

Just my 2 cents...
[Touch CDMA General] SaturnTech:
I agree with that analogy
[Touch CDMA General] golfnz34me:
I would concur as well. I want to be able to go to Android full-time, but it just isn't "there" enough yet.

The emphasis on Android development seems to be on adding new features rather than getting old features to work more reliably. As such, I don't see these Android builds ever being able to fully replace WinMo.

Since all of the Android developers are basically doing volunteer work, they are free to work on whatever they damn well please. As a S/W developer myself I understand it's not much fun tracking down esoteric bugs, but porting over the shiny new code is a lot of fun.

Still, both the newest WinMO builds and the latest Android builds are infinitely better than the drab old WinMo 6.1 my phone came with, so I'm still happy either way.
[Touch CDMA General] thebulletfromhell:
Try Myn's Warm Donut. It have everything working. The only issue is no video recording and poor camera quality.
[Touch CDMA General] apurvjawle:
One of the main reasons i keep switching back to winmo is the resolution (or clarity). android is no where near to winmo, it just feels native to vogue. Other reasons include offline map capability. I wish Ovi maps come to winmo :D

I tried android on HTC Diamond and because of the resolution it really is usable but the advances done on vogue by all the developers/contributors are really amazing. Its probably the best winmo device to run android.
[Touch CDMA General] t1mman:
The only thing that keeps me from always using Android is the BT audio... :|

Everything else seems better on Android; apps, web, messaging, etc...
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] jev3gs:
So I have had my Touch Pro from the beginning and have absolutely loved this phone, especially with the newest rom additions. One thing that still annoys me though is the capacitive zoom ring on the Touch Pro. When I do stuff in Word, Excel or Email it seems I accidentally hit that thing all the time and then it zooms either in or out and then I have to fix it. Really that ring is soo unpredictable I was just wondering how I can just disable it for all applications. I don't use it ever on purpose, does anyone know how to do it through the registry or anything like that?
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] scottanon:
My scroll wheel area fritzed out a while back and would zoom in and out like a yo yo for no reason. Drove me nuts on a regular basis. Disabling the scroll as described here (post #6) worked for me. No trouble since.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] jev3gs:
Wow that works, don't know how I missed that thread but I am glad you pointed it out. I copied a blank smarttouch.dll to the windows directory and it looks like it disabled the scroll now. Now I am a happy camper, I think this will breathe another 6 months of life out of my phone.
[HD2 General] chris2busy:
Hello..I am an overall very excited HTC HD2 user but i am having huge battery problems which is why i am asking for your insights :) In general if phone is idle it can go as far as 35 hours straight without any charging.But when i start playing around with it, browse menus , look through settings,launch apps e.t.c the battery drains like mad..sometimes even 3% in 10 minutes..

i do not know what could be the cause of this in particular since listening to mp3, watching movies does not chalk down too much power,i can even say i was slightly happy in that area(consumption and quality wise)..

so far i have done the below..

-hard reseted

-got a brilliant new mmc (transcend 8gb class 6 FTW :D )

-flight mode only during nights

-bsb tweaks

-some of the tweaks mentioned in the registry tweak for battery thread (not mmc ones, read alot about data corruption risks)

-tested battery (output voltage and mah are fine and it only gets warm after 3 hours of constant ndrive use-which is normal)

-i never installed anywhere else besides phone memory(apps/games)

-virus free

-i have no data plan so 3g/hsdpa access is not a possibility(also deactivated all connections from NoData app)

-disabled all auto update app functions(weather,footprints, my location ,time e.t.c)

the only possible deal i can figure out its to blame is the radio rom..

As i said earlier i am very interested in hearing your thoughts,comments,suggestions on my issue..Thanks for hearing me out :)

specs

manila : 2.5.19211619

Rom : 1.66.482.1 (gr) - official

radio rom : 2.06.51.07
[HD2 General] Baker0:
do you use msn live?
[HD2 General] NYCHD2:
i have the SAME EXACT problem, i do NOT have any apps running, i always use cleanram, every apps always get terminated.

as soon as i TOUCH my phone, the battery drains, this battery is rediculous, i have BsB tweaks with powersaving, i dont beleive how you guys get a full day out of this crappy battery when mine doesnt last 10 hours with just texing/and web browsing. im on my third battery replacement, i conditioned my battery three times and STILL the same problem, i feel like braking this phone in half, im using my blackberry bold 9700 now which lasts me 3 days with FULL usage ALL day, my hd2 is about to see the hammer soon
[HD2 General] Finezt:
try flashing it to another rom

I stepped from stock rom to artemis and I use my HD2 often but with the stock rom i didn't even came to the middle of the day but with that artemis rom i can get till next day morning without charging plus it's very stable and i almost never do a soft reset and i use this artemis rom about a month now and i didn't even do a hard reset after flashing

sorry for my english hope you understand me
[HD2 General] matthab:
My HD2 will last 2 days constant usage. This includes web surfing and emails being pulled down all day via exchange.

The battery goes down quick to about 30% and will stay around there for ages.
[HD2 General] chris2busy:
No sir...and when i do i shut it down via resco task manager.. :/

I hear good things about artemis as well but i am afraid i am not up to the flashing challenge..too much of a chicken to play russian rulette worth 680 euros :3 (in case i break something)
[HD2 General] Baker0:
just for a test select sign in with a different account so it wipes your details amd reset, use your phone normally and dont use live see how that gets on.

I had my phone running for 2 - 3 days of medium use. as soon as i signed up for live it was lasting less that a day even if i used task manager. I then wiped my details then it was back to normal again.
[HD2 General] kuzibri:
With Artemis you can hardly go wrong. It does not flash your radio only the OS part, you do not have to use HSPL but SSPL which is far easier to perform. It's all explained on the Artemis thread itself: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=612580

regards, Kuzibri

BTW, if anything should go wrong, almost impossible with Artemis ROM's, then you can always flash back one of the original stock ROM.s from HTC itself (1.66 or 1.72)
[HD2 General] chris2busy:
hmmm...this is actually interesting...the artemis post seems to be fairly close to stock rom...BUT..if i backup all stuff i got now, will the usual apps (spb backup e.t.c) store everything?like e.g pc imaging apps(acronis true image , paragon drive backup) ? and if they do...and something goes wrong i can restore from pc even if hd2 becomes unbootable?

i really wish there was something simpler than me meddling with flashing :S im more into-system knowledge oriented guy :S
[HD2 General] chris2busy:
done...will report changes tomorrow..
[HD2 General] kuzibri:
I understand your "reluctance" to flash a new ROM, but to be honest if you go wrong with flashing Artemis Rom, you will probably never will be ready/equippped to flash a new ROM. Flashing a Artemis ROM is as easy as it can be!

regards, Kuzibri
[HD2 General] dracd:
^_^ i turned down the backlight to 20% and noticed an improvement in battery life. :D
[HD2 General] chris2busy:
mine is set to 30% and with auto backlight off..its the ideal for my taste actually, even for the sunniest mornings :)

The WLmessenger change did not bear any fruits..i squeezed out all its batt to just see any time difference but nada..

Oh well, i might probably have to get over myself and start the flashing frenzy(i hear its quite addicting :D )

Byt the by , there is supposed to be a WWE version of 1.7.x this month i believe..maybe i will start with that and if it gets me nowhere Artemis here i come!
[HD2 General] ProjektFuze:
i'm just waiting for a 1500 capacity battery... which is all i need...

running full power and and heavy use... i manage to make it home to charge... but still... i would much rather have a bigger battery to avoid some worrying...

1500 would be soo perfect.. that accessory alone would add an extra 3-4 hours of life on my phone.. which would be more then enough...
[HD2 General] nsx_23:
Hopefully it comes out soon, but I'm tempted to try Artemis at the moment.
[HD2 General] chris2busy:
By the way i have 1 weird question about all those ROMs..Are they created from scratch from their makers or are they just modified/edited/tweaked versions of the original OS (ROM) that shipped with the phone?
[HD2 General] malisha1:
I ordered a battery bundle with a wall charger, 2X1200mh batteries and a Mirco USB wire for $14 bucks. This is my first full smartphone so its hard for me to get used to the battery life.
[HD2 General] fanwater:
I turned off all communications to flight mode. Yet my HD2 battery power keeps dropping fast. I dont have this problem with all my previous windows phone. Whats wrong? I'm using factory rom
[HD2 General] ProjektFuze:
yea the hd2's minimal battery life is something that i never had to deal with before also... (i've owned other smartphones but usually could last 2-3 days with moderate to heavy use...) but then again.. i never had a smartphone like the hd2 before ;)

regardless... i'm not sure if i'd be willing to carry 2 batteries around with me... granted i could just leave it in my car until its needed.. but i guess i just consider it a extra thing to remember before i go inside my house/ an extra step to complete before i sleep... would much rather have just one 1500mh
[HD2 General] nobnut:
Battery Drain

Do you guys experiencing battery drain have Co0kies Home Tab installed?

There is a known battery drain issue with CHT if .NET version 3.5.9198.0 is not installed. The battery drain will disappear when 3.5.9198.0 replaces .Net 3.5.7xxx.

Don't forget to update the registry to activate the new version and deactivate version 2 or earlier version of 3.5!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] garfchong:
hi,

can anyone help me on how to open swf flash file in my tp2?

i have install flash player 7 into my tp2. but i still unable to open the file.

thanks and regards

garf
[Hero CDMA Android Development] gunnyman:
I'm curious to try it on the new ZenExp ROM. Helix launcher already works great with it.
[Hero CDMA Android Development] poor_red_neck:
Well the Sense UI strip part works....

Having some trouble with the JIT part...

I guess some commands can't be done though ADB Shell :(
[Hero CDMA Android Development] gunnyman:
are you using ADB to execute a script? if so make sure you chmod that script. adb shell chmod 755 /sdcard/nameofscript should do the trick.
[Hero CDMA Android Development] regaw_leinad:
I think it's a .bat file to run on the computer w/ your phone plugged in.
[Hero CDMA Android Development] regaw_leinad:
can you send me the script, I'll take a look at it and see whats goin on.
[Hero CDMA Android Development] gunnyman:
When I saw the howto for enabling JIT I wrote a script that would execute the list of shell commands. All I had to do was edit build prop manually then execute the script. I also wrote an undo script. I can easily redo it for you if it will help.
[Hero CDMA Android Development] MagnusRagnarok:
This is an excellent contribution. Thanks. I see many firsts much less worthy of posting(aka-why is this posteds) Also, damage put dcconfig.apk in the new .08 rom which allows for you to enable/disable jit and many other options from within a checkbox.
[Hero CDMA Android Development] poor_red_neck:
Ah, Found the issue...

I'm doing everything through adb shell xxxcommandxxx for JIT...

However I dont know how to get SU through the shell...

Here's part of it Ive stripped out.

@ECHO OFF
adb remount
adb shell mkdir /sdcard/JIT
adb shell mkdir /sdcard/dalbk
adb shell mkdir /sdcard/JIT/bin
adb push libdvm.so /sdcard/JIT/libdvm.so
adb push libnativehelper.so /sdcard/JIT/libnativehelper.so
adb push dalvikvm /sdcard/JIT/bin/dalvikvm
adb pull /system/build.prop build.prop_backup
adb push build.prop_JIT /system/build.prop
adb shell mount -o remount,rw -t yaffs2 /dev/block/mtdblock6 /system
adb shell cp /system/build.prop /sdcard/dalbk/
adb shell cp /system/bin/dalvikvm /sdcard/dalbk/
adb shell cp /system/lib/libdvm.so /sdcard/dalbk/
adb shell cp /system/lib/libnativehelper.so /sdcard/dalbk
adb shell cd /sdcard/jit/bin
adb shell cp -f dalvikvm /system/bin
adb shell busybox chmod 755 /system/bin/dalvikvm
adb shell cd /sdcard/jit
adb shell cp -f libdvm.so /system/lib/
adb shell cp -f libnativehelper.so /system/lib/
adb shell cat.build.prop >/system/build.prop
adb shell chmod 644 /system/lib/libdvm.so
adb shell chmod 644 /system/lib/libnativehelper.so
adb shell chmod 666 /system/build.prop
adb shell sync

I get an error at trying to chmod 755 /system/bin/dalvikvm
[Hero CDMA Android Development] gunnyman:
do adb remount first.
[Hero CDMA Android Development] regaw_leinad:
try taking out "busybox", because if it is installed in the rom and symlinked you don't need to type that.
[Hero CDMA Android Development] poor_red_neck:
Now I get the following error:

cp: cannot stat 'dalvikvm': No such file or direcotry

cp: cannot stat 'libdvm.so': No such file or directory

cp: cannot stat 'libnativehelper.so': No such file or directory

The system cannot find the path specified.
[Hero CDMA Android Development] regaw_leinad:
thats because you didn't define where to copy them from... where are you copying those from? put the path before the files
[Hero CDMA Android Development] poor_red_neck:
Ah hah...

Because I'm doing through the shell... the change directory command does nothing...

Gotcha..

@ECHO OFF
adb remount
adb shell mkdir /sdcard/jit
adb shell mkdir /sdcard/dalbk
adb shell mkdir /sdcard/JIT/bin
adb push libdvm.so /sdcard/JIT/libdvm.so
adb push libnativehelper.so /sdcard/JIT/libnativehelper.so
adb push dalvikvm /sdcard/JIT/bin/dalvikvm
adb pull /system/build.prop build.prop_backup
adb push build.prop_JIT /system/build.prop
adb shell mount -o remount,rw -t yaffs2 /dev/block/mtdblock6 /system
adb shell cp /system/build.prop /sdcard/dalbk/
adb shell cp /system/bin/dalvikvm /sdcard/dalbk/
adb shell cp /system/lib/libdvm.so /sdcard/dalbk/
adb shell cp /system/lib/libnativehelper.so /sdcard/dalbk
adb shell cp -f /sdcard/jit/bin/dalvikvm /system/bin
adb shell chmod 755 /system/bin/dalvikvm
adb shell cp -f /sdcard/jit/libdvm.so /system/lib/
adb shell cp -f /sdcard/jit/libnativehelper.so /system/lib/
adb shell cat build.prop >/system/build.prop
adb shell chmod 644 /system/lib/libdvm.so
adb shell chmod 644 /system/lib/libnativehelper.so
adb shell chmod 666 /system/build.prop
adb shell sync

Now the only error is:

"They system cannot find the path specified"

I have no idea what though, going to start taking one line off at a time.

EDIT:

adb shell cat.build.prop >/system/build.prop

This is causing the error.
[Hero CDMA Android Development] regaw_leinad:
yup that looks better :)

make sure you define everything like that, because, as you said, cd wont do anything when used in the shell in a bat :D

let me know if you have any more questions/problems. pm me your gtalk if you have one too.
[Hero CDMA Android Development] regaw_leinad:
just copy paste "pause" between the lines.. its quicker that way, and you can see where it fails.
[Hero CDMA Android Development] regaw_leinad:
this should be

adb shell cat build.prop >/system/build.prop

no period between cat and build

EDIT:

AND you need to specify the path of the first build.prop, because what that is doing is combining the two build.props
[Hero CDMA Android Development] poor_red_neck:
I JUST found that....

should be /sdcard/jit/build.prop

Let me try that.
[Hero CDMA Android Development] poor_red_neck:
Hmm, there is no build.prop that is placed in the /sdcard/jit folder.

The original code is here:

This will enable jit on your phone.

Code:

cd /sdcard/jit/bin

cp -f dalvikvm /system/bin/

busybox chmod 755 /system/bin/dalvikvm

cd /sdcard/jit

cp -f libdvm.so /system/lib/

cp -f libnativehelper.so /system/lib/

cat build.prop >/system/build.prop

chmod 644 /system/lib/libdvm.so

chmod 644 /system/lib/libnativehelper.so

chmod 666 /system/build.prop

sync

reboot

Judging by the last cd... there should be one in /sdcard/jit
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] jerrymc2:
i've updated the CHTEditor to 1.7.1.

love the CHT Lockscreen very much, but there's a problem: this lockscreen can't lock the hard keys. for instance, when the screen is locked, the star menu will still show up when you press the win key...

No matter if i'm using the HD MINI STYLE or MANILA style...

my rom is a mr.x one, released on april.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] agrickard:
Works on mine - I do have the default lock enabled, but then in settings I have this password protected and set if only device not used for 12 hours. Not sure if that makes a difference.

Running latest stock 6.5 WWE ROM with Sense 2.5.

***EDIT***

Just seen CHT updated to 1.8, with changes to the lockscreen integration, so you could try that.
[Windows Mobile] TMartin:
I was trying to figure out how to change the red text on the first Splash screen you see when you reboot your phone. Thanks for any help.

Mod edit: Solved
[Windows Mobile] accessing:
Well I am new to ervius, but so far I've learned that you can changed the last line of the red (for a touch pro) by using the xip portex button within the kitchen, and change the date of the xip.bin file of the build that you are using.

http://www.techparaiso.com/windows-...rsion-information-on-any-windows-phone-device

The site above describes how you can change the date within the hex. Maybe the same file has the other text to change....
[Windows Mobile] TMartin:
The only issue is VK creates the XIP on the go. Thanks tho

EDIT: Actually that helps since it involves nk.exe. Thanks!!
[HD2 General] cd993:
Hi, I need to repair a friends notebook and thinking of using my HD2's 8gb memory card to burn on to it an iso of XP and install that way, is this as easy as this or would I need to do anything else? Essentially just need to make the card be able to boot an installation of XP when my phones plugged in via usb to the notebook,

Sorry if this has been answered elsewhere, I did have a quick look but not much came up, thanks for any help!
[HD2 General] samsamuel:
ive been meaning to test this - be great for my mobile tech support travels, i just havent gotten around to it yet.

I don't hold out much hope, i've yet to find a mobile device that does this, but I keep searching.

Please post back if you try it with results, and ill do likewise (when i get 5 minutes to myself!)
[HD2 General] cd993:
yeah I hope to try properly this week, maybe thursday, if I get chance as time is limited too! My first thing I aim to try is concepts listed from here:

http://www.bootdisk.com/pendrive.htm

It describes a method of fromatting it and perhaps changing the file system structure, will report if any success!

In the meantime, anyone any success accomplishing this?
[HD2 General] cd993:
Done it!!

http://wintoflash.com/home/en/

With this software using the simple mode, select the location of your Windows installation CD and then the memory card of your phone (connected via disk transfer mode not ActiveSync) and set it to run.

Currently now installing XP on my friends notebook using my phones memory card!
[HD2 General] samsamuel:
nice, i'm planning a Linux net book remix myself.
[HD2 General] samsamuel:
finally tested booting a PC from the hd2 for myself today, ubuntu netbook remix loaded onto a live sd card, usb to pc set to disk drive mode.

it works a treat, the gf's laptop truly flying along using the hd2 as a bootable usb disk, and i booted by PC to a DOS 6.22 usb drive thru the hd2, hehe.

Gonna be very handy for computer support away from base.
[Android Apps and Games] gbenj:
Anyone know of a brightness widget that will toggle between "Low" and "High" brightness, but also toggle back to the automatic brightness?

Most of the time i wanna use auto brightness, but when i want to change to high or low/off I dont like to have to go into the settings menu every time to change it.

Most of the widgets ive found have only gone through low, med, high, but no way to go to auto.

Thanks in advance
[Android Apps and Games] jonnyguitar:
Check out the Android Power Control widget. It does exactly as you describe - but has the other power options on there too. I use it all the time.
[Android Apps and Games] gbenj:
that goes to auto? i tried it and thought it just went off, med, high...guess i'll try again