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[Droid Incredible General] dB Zac:
the Incredible can be faster for daily use and built in features but I feel this is due to rom optimization. The reason I say that is as soon as you step away from the basics and say play a game the droid eats it up and when you use vanilla Google functions they are the same.

the camera is hands down better on the Incredible. So much in fact it is the key reason my over all opinion is that the Incredible is a better phone. The camera on the droid is so grainy I dont take pics with it. I was always disgusted by them.

As for the screens, I know there isn't a huge difference in screen size but the over all shape of the Incredible is a lot more comfortable for web viewing in my opinion. That being said, every color besides black looks better on the droid, at least to me it does. As for touch sensitivity, they are vary close and they are both finger print magnets. I was however vary disappointed to learn the Incredible screen is run of the mil glass, not gorilla glass and it doesn't have the anti finger print coating.

I have had many HTC phones and the ear piece and load speaker have always been sub par to me but the incredible is definitely better than any other HTC phone I have ever used. The ear piece is prob louder and clearer than the droid and the loud speaker is good enough but not as loud as the droid. One of my favorite things about the Droid is its beefy loud speaker.

You didn't ask but I ran the browsers against each other and even with moderate flash on the page, the incredible and the droid were about the same speed, one would be a little faster than the other and vise verse.

again you didn't ask but at least with Petes rom, the droid outlasts the incredible by a respectable about when it comes to battery life.

Hope this helps
[Droid Incredible General] trevorwhopkins:
The droid has better battery life, even overclocked 200 percent?

Also, the whole faster in basic functions thing... I would expect the Droid to do well at games, since it has a similar GPU to the IPhone, and the Incredible uses Snapdragon, which as far as I can tell just uses it's raw horsepower to process graphics.

The reason I asked these questions is because only the specs of the N1 drew me to Android, but I really missed my keyboard. And when moving to Verizon, I considered getting the Droid even though it has bottom level specs [comparatively] because of the keyboard and loud speaker. The Droid has impressive construction and quality.

All that said, I really like the Incredible. I broke two nexus ones and haaaated not having a store to go and say REPLACE MY PHONE. And the other little problems are all fixed on Incredible. I'm doing some constructive thinking haha.
[Droid Incredible General] syntrix:
Really, better droid battery life on that setting? I'm skeptical :mrgreen:

Once you use the on-screen keyboard and get used to it, you won't go back.

I used to be a physical keyboard freak. Now that something is better than iphone/tp2, etc.... I'm having a great time with a lighter weight device and fast "tapping" :)
[Droid Incredible General] tlp5002:
Cheers all..

1. How much difference does the double memory and processor make?

A. After owning the Droid, the Incredible just feels snappier in mostly everything it does. I haven't tried many 'graphic intensive' games on either device, so I cant comment on the Droid's dedicated GPU. The "Leap" feature in Sense runs very smooth, regardless of how many widgets are loaded on the 7 home screens. While its very easy to overclock the Droid, it still seemed 'sleepy' every now and then. Things would fly, and then for no reason, slow to a sludge, then back to normal. I have found this combo of Sense + Snapdragon to run great, even after throwing all my contacts, media, and apps back on.

2. Compare the camera for me.

A. As far as the camera is concerned, this advantage goes to the Incredible. The one thing I miss from the Droid is a dedicated camera button. Using the optical joystick on the Incredible (and I mean the physical pressing of the button) can sometimes generate unwanted blur. That said, the Incredible camera offers more features, the touch to focus is nice, and the shutter speed seems much quicker. I could upload some shots from both phones if anyone would like. Quite frankly the Droid camera interface just feels old. From what I read, the Droid records better video. I suspect as time goes on someone will hack the Incredible camera to do so as well.

3. Compare the screens.

A. I had not owned an OLED screen prior to switching from the Droid to the Incredible. I wouldn't call OLED a complete failure in sunlight, but I wouldn't call it a success either. With both phones set at Max Brightness, the Droid is slightly more readable outside on a sunny day. The Incredible screen is much more vibrant, but in some cases almost too vibrant. It seems to really push the red/orange colors. In a similarly lit room, with both phones set at Max Brightness, the OLED screen on the Incredible really shines. After testing a friends N1, I can say the responsiveness of the Incredible is greatly improved and more accurate. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the Incredible has a newer digitizer.

4. Very important: please compare how loud the speakerphone is and if voice quality on ear phone is different.

A. This was a huge looming question mark for me. I loved using the Droid's speakerphone for listening to music, long winded phone conversations, and annoying coworkers. I still think the Droid has the best speakerphone on the market (for now), so props to Motorola there. Look at the back of the Incredible and you see a small, underwhelming speaker hole. However the speaker on the Incredible is pleasantly surprising. While it's not as loud as the Droid, it's equally clear, and in my opinion, provides a fuller sound. Voice quality is pretty much the same on both devices, but the Incredible earpiece could be a bit louder.

Overall, I'm very pleased with the Incredible so far. I'm definitely a tinkerer (hence, here I am at xda) and try to monitor ongoing processes and such, but I haven't cared to with the Incredible. Why? I loaded it up with widgets, tunes, pictures, videos, apps.. and it's still smooth sailing :)
[Droid Incredible General] dB Zac:
My droid has better battery life apples to apples but there is now a trick to "really" fully charge the Incredible that I am trying and it seems to be a night and day difference. I will get back to you when I have a few days to compare
[Droid Incredible General] Barkleyfan:
You won't be disappointed with the Moto Droid. The Incredible is a beast, and slightly more refined UI. Didn't play with the speakerphone yet, but the interface is smoooth. That said, developers seem to have outpaced OEM's with low voltage kernels. I get pretty good battery life out of Bugless Beast V1 with the P3 1.2ghz Kernel. Played with the phone on and off all day yesterday, forgot to charge it overnight, and woke up to 30% battery remaining. Never turn off wifi orGPS, brightness maxed.

Biggest difference to me is that the Moto Droid feels much more solid. For all it's features, everything about the Incredible feels like a toy. Especially the screen. The best feature I have found for the incredible, beyond even the superior camera, is that there is already a extended battery that will fit without an alternative backplate. The 2800 ma/h for the Droid is so hideous I'll suffer the stock battery.

I read that you wanted in-store service, but if you're willing to do without it, you can grab a Moto Droid from Amazon for $30. It's a LOT of phone for that price. You can't find a 16 gig memory card for $30. Droid comes with one tho.

The keyboard is less refined than my old Kaiser was, let alone the TP2. But you get used to it pretty quick. Especially with Swype for basic messaging duties. Only really break out the slider for passwords anymore. And running commands in Terminal Emulator.
[Droid Incredible General] Sweeny Russ:
You won't be disappointed with either. I have a droid overclocked to 1ghz works great, the keyboard for me was a joke, my gf uses it now and loves it. The DI is overall snappier and more responsive and if the droid is left with several apps open for a long period of time it can lag a bit, where I have not noticed any change on the Incredible. But still nothing as bad as WM. If you are about having big balls go big and get the Incredible though I am in the same situation as in the past 4 devices, waiting for Root (HSPL) with WM but this is the first device that isn't crippled by the stock rom. I really like sense ui for usability.
[Droid Incredible General] Grikshanks:
Ill have to agree with what has been said already, the phone is really fast and responsive, havent really run into any issues with it bogging down yet. I ran cyanogen on my droid previously OCd to 1.0ghz, and while that was fast, it still occasionally bogged down a bit.

I do have a few annoyances with the incredible, Mainly the root issue, never really followed the problems the Eris community is having, but apparently HTC just really doesnt want anyone to root their phones for some reason. Hoping to see some progress on that front sooner than later.

The autocorrect feature is basically unusable, at least for me. I understand having to train words and all that, but the correct is VERY aggressive, to the point of nonsense. I dont know who thought "haha" should be autocorrected to "usually", I dont see how that could be considered even remotely similar. It was ok in correcting words while I was still getting used to the touch keyboard, but I ended up turning it off. Maybe if it automatically learned words you use I could leave it on, but coupled with the aggressiveness, having to stop and tell it to learn 3-4 words per sentence is ridiculous.

The bottom buttons are a bit touchy in my experience. Whatever is different from the droid, I sometimes find myself having to tap the back button more than once to get it to register, but not often enough to really be a major problem, more of a minor annoyance. Plus, the flip side is there are less inadvertent back button presses, since they are a bit offset from the very bottom of the phone.

My only other thoughts are on the optical trackball, not really a complaint, just an observation. I often forget it exists, probably mostly coming from the droid where that functionality was unavailable unless you opened the phone to get to the D pad thing on the keyboard, so I mostly learned to operate the phone without relying on it. Neat feature, and definitely cool when I am playing around with it, just a matter of teaching myself to remember to use it, I suppose.

Overall, Im happy about the switch. I do miss root and all the goodies that come with that, but hopefully that will be fixed sometime fairly soon. The overall feel of the phone is vastly improved, however if you tend to wear shallow pockets you may want to invest in a holster, you might not even realize the phone fell out. If you are into the newest thing, the incredible is definitely that, for the moment.
[Droid Incredible General] trevorwhopkins:
Just a note: I am not deciding between the Droid and DI. I bought the Incredible the day it came out, because I wanted Verizon's network, and I had an N1.

I really wish there was a phone with a wide enough screen for typing, very very loud speakerphone, and a hardware keyboard. i type emails for my small business on the Di, and it's very doable but still slower than my TP2 was.

I too am frustrated with root, I almost require WiFi Tethering and the LED Flashlight.

I really almost got the Droid because of it's developed community and accessories, but the processor put me on the fence. On the one hand, the 3GS makes due with the same processor and no complaints from their camp, and all Droid review mention good performance... on the other hand how could TWICE the processing power be negligible? Would 550Mhz still cut it with Froyo and Flash and 4g Apps and all that? And so I went with the Incredible, and am very happy about how HTC fixed almost every single gripe I've had with HTC in general, and with the N1.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] enternet21:
Hello, i have a rooted G1 with CM v1.4 +JF. I can' t seem to get it to Vibrate on incoming calls or text messages. The vibrator does work in other apps. Any help appreciated.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Lemeja:
I'm having a weird issue with my signal and the strangest part is I can completely control when it happens. All I have to do is go into Network Settings and enable 3G connections and suddenly I have no network connection OR signal. Once I set it to only use 2G networks then it works as usual, besides not being able to connect to 3G networks.

I'm using CM5 Test 2 which is not the latest. Could it be an issue with my radio?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Lemeja:
Bump, please help I'm stuck on Edge....
[G1 General] chewyboy:
OK i'm playing with a G1 and the screen backlight seems to have went out on it. Initially i thought it was a bad flash because i was able to boot but it had some problems. oh yeah to see the screen i use a mag light aimed at it to navigate etc.... anyway i finally was able to get it to reset so i reset it. still no backlight. finally i unrooted/reset to factory default via these instructions at google and still no backlight. any suggestions as to what to test next it almost seems like it is either a flexcable which i do not think it is because if it were i don't believe any of the screen would work. or a bad lcd that needs replaced.

any help would be greatly appreciated.

thanks
[G1 General] dash4g:
I had this happen for a few days intermittantly, i just joceled the phone a bit and it got working
[G1 General] chewyboy:
tried messing with it and such, no luck really. any other ideas?

thanks
[G1 General] xelaboy:
You could get a really bright flashlight I bet that would work.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] lyonzy:
Hi,

I've noticed that my phone (DIAM130, running donsalari's rom with xdandroid 03.05.10) has been freezing occasionally when I receive calls. I don't know how much research has been done on this, but does anybody know whether a different radio version will help either with freezing or performance generally? I was running v1.15.25.14, I've just flashed it to v1.09.25.23.

btw, sorry if I've posted this in the wrong area :)

Thanks,

Matt
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] helicopter88:
i use radio 1.17.25.9 and i'm not having any freezes or problem apart of camera and gps...i'm using latest 2.1 bulid
[G1 Apps and Games] legend221:
Info Here:

---->> http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-mstream-easytether_beta-wxnA.aspx
[G1 Apps and Games] r3s-rt:
10 dollars for paid version? Nty. I'll stick to my free tether.
[G1 Apps and Games] legend221:
Not my app BTW

Its for people that are too scared to root the phone.

Yeah I am with you, Id rather root but there are the "scared" ones that wish to never do such a thing..
[G1 Apps and Games] r3s-rt:
Ah, it is no root. You're right, then. If you don't root, it's probably very useful as I haven't seen another one that works without root. Or does PDANet? Either way, PDA is hella expensive, and I just use the windows installer to install my ADB drivers for me. :P
[G1 Apps and Games] Lemeja:
This is the only one I've heard of that can connect game systems. That might make it worth the price...
[G1 Apps and Games] r3s-rt:
Is it actually fast enough to be useful for say... Xbox Live? It seems like 3g would be laggy as hell!
[G1 Apps and Games] Riel:
Well it's better then expected. Don't play FPS games though, the latency is big, but racegames and RTS and so on work perfect.
[G1 Apps and Games] UrbanBounca:
Has anyone successfully used EasyTether to tether their Xbox? I've tried all day with no success.
[G1 Apps and Games] sjknight413:
you have to tether to a computer/laptop via usb, then connect the xbox to the computer via ethernet and enable internet connection settings in the network adapter properties.

nothing special, you can do it with any tethering application.
[G1 Apps and Games] fatsunkist:
Easytether

I have been using Easytether for a while now. I have followed all the directions for connecting my xbox to the internet via easytether. It proceeds to work connecting to the network and internet when i test the connection but right when its testing the xbox live connection it says it failed because my MTU setting it to low. It says i need a MTU setting of atleast 1364. I have looked up many ways of trying to fix this using Easytether and none have worked. I have tried to use the DRTCP software and that neglected to work for me neither. Im wondering if anyone can please help me out with this connection error. It would be greatly appreciated.
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] mrmilesaz:
Hey Guys I have searched and searched, does anyone have anything to change the font and font size? My font on the TP2 Verizon MightyRom SE is way to small to see without readers. can someone please help? Thanks in advance, keith
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] ai6908:
Depends on what fonts you want to change. I would suggest you start searching....might have to search 10 different ways before you can find what you want.
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] PRBajista:
Try NueFonts. Its a small program that allows you to change the system font in various locations on your TP2. To change the font you just save a font file in you "windows\fonts" folder and then open this program and click on the drop down menu to find the font you uploaded to the fonts folder and change the size on the right hand side of the drop down menu for each font section. When you run the program you will understand these instructions. Hope this helps.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] AngelDeath:
Hi All,

I have a question, I just installed Visual Kitchen, and extracted a rom, where it extracted the rom, and according to the prg, created packages in the "EXT" folder. What I want to know is 3 things:

1) Is the folders in the "EXT" folder installable individual packages? Meaning, that each folder has all the info (reg, location, files) to be installed if you just wanted to install one thing using it as a cab?

2) Im sure this was asked before but please don shoot me, what are the "S000" files exactly?

3) Where in the rom extracted is the location of the device ID kept that determines what it can be installed on? If its looking for a Leo, TP2, Diamond.

I did alot of reading the last 2, 3 days, but somethings I just dont understand by reading.

Oh one last thing, if all the files that have "0409" are for english, then I could then remove the other language files if I wanted to save space?

Thanks to anyone in advance that can help me thru this little hump. Or even give me a link to a step by step guide or visual links, I read the WiKi but its still leaving me a little stump since alot of info is all over the place and have been googling for 2 days and still scratching my head.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] papo:
yes. all info.

no, not as a cab. You definitely CAN make a cab out of it, but it's worthless work. 1st you probably would find already a cab of it, 2nd you would need a cab creator and you would need to redo file structure from info in dat file.

what is easiest to do, open app.dat file, you'll see there which file's going where, than make the same folder structure, put it all in pda to windows folder and run app.reg in pda. eventually you can check in app.reg for path references and change them to point to different place, e.g. program files

then you can copy ext to program files instead.

part of dll file. before it goes into pda, it get compiled into dll

it's not like that. note the folders in oem sys rom and ext. you can put

leo sys into rhodium sys folder to change them. (but better don't do that)

what you safely can, is replace individual folders in sys, e.g. NetCF or office with new ones. but you must remember to replace ALL parts of that package. go to SYS\<version> and make a search for Office, you'll see where its parts are. replace them all. In visual kitchen, there is an issue, when you need to have all folder names the same in all parts of pkg. don't change folder names at all, and you'll be ok.

in EXT, it's much easier. you can move them around as you like. Just move all EXT you want to use to \EXT\SHARED\<gr name> and you'll see them in any model's kitchen. <gr name> could be anything e.g. \EXT\SHARED\AngelDeath\CommManager 2_9_1_0

you can but I am not sure if it will change a thing.

I never tried to do a lokalized version, but I think, if you select 0409 in kitchen, all other lang files will be ignored. at least that would make sence to me. just burn a rom, and check on pda for mui files and files from those lokalized folders.suppose they will not be there.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] AngelDeath:
But doing it that way wouldnt make it uninstallable if there is a problem it permanent. I'd rather make it a cab, but my problem is the dsm and the S000, imageinfo.bin, txt, and the package.ini files. Plus not everything is cabbed, plus as you know, some modules depend on others, like messaging I am sure coincides with contacts, so the contact app would also need to be done.

Do I do this or it does it itself?

By putting it in the ext/shared folder if I am trying to replace section, wont this just add to it instead of replacing it?

Here's a perfect example: (Yin think thats who did it) Made a cab in the HD2 theme section of the newest messaging app, has secure box in that version, it installs fine on the tp2 and corrects a few more things, but secure box doesnt work. suggestion was to replace the "mui" file, doing that on the TP2 causes you not to be abl to get into the all messages, and can only see msgs by going thru individual contacts. So I had to go back to my previous version of the "mui" to make the messaging app allow me into the All messages folder. So either something is missing in the cab, like registry, or the versioning is wrong, cause being the same manila version for the most it should work. Thats what I am trying to avoid. And in the end once I know what works and what doesnt, then I can go about cooking my own rom by taking what I need out and putting what I want in. But thats not where I am right now at least not yet.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] AngelDeath:
Papo,

Obviously I am not trying to make you repeat yourself, just being sure. And i appreciate your help in explaining things. I have one last question based on your answers in the last post. Since you said treat the package as one folder and dont worry about whats inside it, since you said all the info is in there telling it where to go and what to do, would it be safe to assume, that I dont have to add reg values into WinCE either, and that when the cab installs it will pull the info from the .rgu and/or app.reg files itself?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] garz:
I have a couple of font packages that are signed that work for 1.6 would they work as well for cm 5 roms considering they're 2.1 roms?
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] feefeeboomboom:
was looking for some themes for Zens port and i stumbled on this.

http://jbthemes.com/anderweb/category/adwlauncher/

you can flash the .zip threw recovery as it only adds the launcher.apk.

rc3 came it and its looking better then ever.

::EDIT::

here is his dl link also.

http://www.jbthemes.com/anderweb/ADW.Launcher.0.7rc3.zip

below is the alternate build .apk.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] Moghie:
runs great. jit enabled too
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] VinceOB:
Meh, doesnt look any different than Helix Launcher.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] Envynet:
are you serious.... I hope you dont even try it cause it really rocks I'm already building a jit rom with this built in as we speak.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] VinceOB:
Like OHMYGODNOWAI!!!
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] Konikub:
rofl........:)
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] VinceOB:
It really really rocks!!
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] okcppcnut:
Re: AWDLauncher.apk [very cool] [screenies]

Found this thru Twitter last week. I love this launcher. Everyone needs to try it.

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