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[Nexus One General] halorin:
I appreciate the sentiment, ap. For the most part I agree, but every person has different needs. One of the big things I use my phone for is gaming when I ride the metro to work. I also work on my book with my phone when I commute to work.

Imagine my surprise when I buy SuperGNES and realize I can't use the gamepad as advertised because the betweens are 15mm within the same axis so I couldn't do a running jump in Super Mario World. Yet my girlfriend can do this fine on her 2 year old iPhone 3G. And I have the superphone.

Or picture the look on my face when try to type really fast on the Android keyboard as I work on my book but letters don't register that did on the iPhone I used to have. I could hold down one key, and press another and not have the first one register on the N1, my superphone. This isn't a HTC Touch Cruise I'm using.

If I go to www.textsfromlastnight.com, the scrolling is choppy and not aesthetically pleasing. I hate to use the iPhone again, but the scrolling on that is fine. Websites seemingly at random do not perform well on the N1, my superphone.

Don't get me wrong, though. I do like my phone. But some of its shortcomings are not ones I'd expect, given the hardware specifications. I also did not expect Google to skimp on the touchscreen sensor on its flagship device.

If your phone does everything you want it to do, then that's great, and I'm happy for you. Not everyone can say that, though, and that's criticism I feel Google exposed itself to by calling the N1 a superphone, a class that's supposed to be above everything that came before it.
[Nexus One General] bloke226:
Interesting points made about some of the short comings of the N1. Coming from a BlackBerry Pearl 8120 to this phone is quite a step up. It is hard for me to find negatives with the phone, besides being spoiled by the BB battery life of 2-3 days with moderate use compared to the N1 ~24hrs.

I am not sure about your experience while typing. I installed Swype and find it easier and faster to type e-mails and forum posts, and SMS compared to a physical keyboard and the default keyboard on the N1.
[Nexus One General] halorin:
Coming from most phones the N1 will be a HUGE step up, and rightfully so. I'd say that the N1 is about 90% of what I thought it would be, which in its own right is pretty damn goood.

The keyboard issue I'm talking about refers to the current limitation where if you press more than one spot on the same axis within about 15 mm the input will flatten to one. There's something called multitouch visualizer on the market that shows this. It's the same hinderance that makes same axis multitouch on games not work well. Using Swype will make this a non-issue, I would imagine since it's just the one touch sliding around.

Android 2.2 is rumored to fix some of this, but it's a head scratcher that Google would use such a low-end touch screen on their breakout device.
[Nexus One General] bloke226:
The N1 is new to me in a lot of aspects. This is my first touch screen phone, first Android phone, first phone that supports 3G/HSPDA, first with GPS support.

Hmm, I'll have to find that app regarding the sensor in the marketplace; read about it before in other threads.

2.2 should be coming out this month or next month? I'm assuming N1 would be on top of the list to get the update and I think the new myTouch 3G 3rd gen is getting it too?
[Nexus One General] PrawnPoBoy:
It's a shame that the Nexus One got stuck with the clearpad touchscreen, but it's a relatively low volume phone and HTC probably either had enough stock or an existing contract with a supplier that lined up well with their projected sales numbers. I'm sure the designers would have loved to have used a better part, but typically the bean counters are the ones that get to make those decisions.
[Nexus One General] halorin:
To my understanding, 2.2 should be out sometime next month. Keep in mind that I am no way trying to bash the Nexus One. I'm just objective about it. All in all it's an amazing phone. It's arguably pound for pound the best phone out, and it's certainly the best one I've ever owned.

It's just not a 'superphone'. Not to me, for the reasons I stated above; reasons I feel are valid.
[Nexus One General] bloke226:
Hah, I know you're not bashing the phone :p Just picking out somethings that stuck out that is either a flaw or we prefer something else.

Be interesting to see what is included in 2.2 that might be derived from CM5.0.6 ;)
[Nexus One General] halorin:
Well, there are a few things already in ROMs that are supposed to be in 2.2, namely the trackball color change business. I want to say some of the OpenGL upgrades are already floating around, but I may be wrong on that. I hope I am. There's always talk of JIT compiling, a concept I don't know a lot about other than it's a different way for the processor to handle stuff that's supposed to be faster. I hope/think that's in 2.2.

The biggest concern for me is (shocker) the supposed multitouch changes.
[Nexus One General] JHaste:
While i do love the phone and it is a sexy piece of hardware... i am still bitter about the quality of the touch screen...

the fact that i cannot really play games because the multi-touch is kind messed up is a real downer for me... i really hope this issue gets somewhat fixed in the froyo update but i do not have my hopes up... emulators and stuff was something i was really looking forward to on my phone but the touch screen sort of put the nix on that....
[Nexus One General] DarkDvr:
You are my hero.

Agree completely. People need to slap themselves real hard and remind themselves what kind of piece of technology they own. STOP *****ing. Christ, N1 forum is becoming a collection of spoiled crybabies.

Wake up!
[Nexus One General] halorin:
You can play SuperGNES in landscape with the d-pad and the buttons at diagonally opposite corners and play pretty much without issues. I'm able to do running jumps in Super Mario World. I don't know why SuperGNES and Snesoid both do not have LR button capabilities, but I'm no designer. I haven't tried other emulators.
[Nexus One General] halorin:
I disagree. I don't think I need to slap myself because I expect a 'superphone' to be able to handle more than two touch inputs reliably.
[Nexus One General] bloke226:
+1 agree with this
[Nexus One General] DarkDvr:
Why is everyone so fixed on the multi-touch? Seriously. Let's face the facts for a second. Besides playing console-ported games with 2 controls on left and right of the screen, there is no other place where you need that.

Fact: pinch-to-zoom works flawlessly (as in "without any issues") everywhere you need it - maps, browser, gallery. If it doesn't for you - talk to your doctor about fixing your hand coordination. Where else do you need multitouch in the real world? Nowhere.

Besides, we need to stop being hipocritical. We found ONE problem with Nexus that still remains and we freak out. I cannot even start listing the difficiences of other "SUPERPHONES" like iPhone. They can't do **** in comparison. Yet I don't see so much hate and dissapointment over their devices as we have here. Think about it. Apple fanboys are actually less hipocritical about their devices, albeit somewhat ignorant. Yet they can appreciate their devices and value them for things they can do, and we, informed and educated, hate our devices (far more advanced) for tiny flaws. So who's better off here?

The reason for my rant is for us to face the facts and be just. No device is perfect, humans created it, and we are not perfect. Everything has flaws. You cannot focus on one _insignificant_ flaw and forgo all the good stuff. People would never marry if that were the case =) Look at the whole picture, value something (or someone) for it's good qualities, don't hate it for the flaws.
[Nexus One General] RogerPodacter:
so you CAN play NES emulators with no problem. i thought i read that you cant do this because of the stupid touch screen limitation. damn false info:D.
[Nexus One General] attn1:
I disagree. You need to slap yourself.

If you don't think the phone is a good value, sell it on Ebay. You'll get the bulk of your money back and you can go whine about your expectations about your new phone elsewhere. *****ing about what it isn't/doesn't have is pointless.
[Nexus One General] halorin:
I think you are undervaluing the intentions people have for their phones simply because they aren't yours. While I may not be as fanatical as some others have been, I'm going to take notice of the idea that my two year old iPhone 3G does something better than my new Nexus One because someone between HTC and Google decided that the touchpad sensor they chose was enough.

If the flaws of the phone were enough of a problem for me, I'd sell it on Craigslist and get something else. Just because they aren't that glaring for me doesn't mean I'm going to be ignorant of them, though.

Also, it's been well documented that the touch sensor on the N1 can misbehave in a variety of cases, even with just one touch. I've personally experienced this. Touches refuse to accurately register until you turn off the screen and turn it back on sometimes. Play around with the multitouch application for a while and you more than likely will see some anomalies.

I think I stand somewhere in the middle of 'This phone is perfect, why complainomg' and 'This phone is broken and flawedomg'.

It's hard to make the argument you're trying to make about no phone being perfect when phones like the Evo 4G and the Droid Incredible are basically the same phone except they didn't get cheap touch sensors. I'd wager to guess they'll be around the same price as the N1 as well, if not cheaper also.

I'll agree that some people take their complaints too far, but you almost make it sound like people should have nothing to complain about at all, which I disagree with.
[Nexus One General] DarkDvr:
I think you're projecting your unrealistic, unsupported desires over to other people. Google promised pinch to zoom? It delivered, you cannot deny that. They promised multitouch? They delivered. You can argue all you want, but MULTI-touch assumes simply that it's more than 1-point input. Pinch to zoom is IMPOSSIBLE without Multitouch. That is the fact.

So? Dude, a 1944 BWM may have more cupholders than my STi, so OMFG Subaru!!! WTF Where is my extra cupholder!!! I cannot live with just 4!!!

Oh and yeah, it IS enough for what they promised. I use my phone like I there's no tomorrow, and I never, ever, ever caught myself complaining about not being able to multitouch as Supersonic/iPhone. It is an overkill and it is NOT needed for everyday use.

Yet I only see you complaining about the dreaded screen, I don't see you putting that into context of other features and seeing how insignificant it is.

Yep, that does happen, which is a confirmed software/driver bug, which will be fixed in froyo.

Dude, 4G is not even fully out yet. I bet you all the money in the world that 4G will have its issues. Come on, you weren't born yesterday.

And Incredible? I guess you haven't heard that camera tests on it have shown that N1 actually has a BETTER picture quality than 8MP in Incredible. That's a flaw. And I guess you haven't heard about constant, frequent reboots that people in some states have? They can barely even use the phone.

Nothing is perfect. Everything has issues.

And I agree that people absolutely need to complain, it's the only thing that moves progress forward. However, and I think you'll agree with me here, we do need to be honest and just when it comes to not framing issues. We have to view all things in context. Otherwise, we'll all be one really unhappy mob. Nothing will ever satisfy us.
[Nexus One General] halorin:
I've never tried or mentioned an NES emulator, so I'm assuming you're talking about SNES.

Not exactly. For Super Mario RPG, I had to buy Snesoid to play it. With that application, more than two keypresses don't register at all, so you can only do a running jump by holding the direction, holding Y, and then tapping jump. This works only because that specific game does not vary jump height. Playing Super Mario World and games like that is basically impossible because of the multitouch sensor limitation of the N1.

Only SuperGNES in portrait allows three inputs, and it's not always reliable. Depending on the order I release the buttons, the input appears to 'sweep' across the screen, pressing the X or Y button again. For example, if I make a running jump with Yoshi, he will stick his tongue out again half the time like that button's being pressed again.

Ideally I'd like to play the game in portrait mode so my thumbs aren't blocking the screen but regardless of the emulator, that is flat out impossible to do thanks to the N1's touchpad sensor. The same game would be entirely playable on the Droid Incredible. The difference? You guessed it. The touchpad sensor.

The bottom line is that Google/HTC cut a serious corner with the choice in touchpad sensor. I don't see how that's really up for debate. Either you're fine with the fact that three year old hardware performs better in some aspects than our 'superphones' or you're not. I can live with it, but it makes me that much more cautious of the next Google/HTC phone I'd get down the road.

Motorola didn't cheap out, why did Google/HTC?
[Nexus One General] ChillRays:
My educated guess is that they were trying to keep the cost down as much as they could.
[Nexus One General] halorin:
I've stated many times that my overall opinion of the Nexus One is positive. I've said it was the best phone around, and the best I've ever had. I just don't like the touchpad sensor they chose. As a consumer, the fact for me is that the phone does not do everything I would like for it to do. I'm entitled to that.

I don't see anything unrealistic about wanting to be able to reliably press three buttons at once in a console emulator. The iPhone does it. The Motorola Droid does it. I really don't see what's so crazy about expecting the same out of the Nexus One.

We use our phones differently. I can only assure you that if you tried to play a game on SuperGNES in portrait mode you'd clearly see where the touchscreen on the N1 falls short. If you don't play games on your phone, then clearly it won't be that big of a deal for you. I, however, do. *shrug*
[Nexus One General] t0mmy:
well, obviously there is nothing that's flawless. i can't sit here and say the clearpad 2000 is perfect, because it's definitely not. i'm also not gonna say "well, just get a psp if you want to game so bad" and "that means nothing to me". what i will say though is that i ordered this phone with extremely, extremely high expectations. they were all met.

i kinda sense that you were a former iphone user (please correct me if i'm wrong).

why do you think i started this post?..

..to try to prevent users like you from posting a bunch of worthless crapola. yea, we get it, the ****in touch screen could be a little bit better. that doesn't mean we don't have a global phone with fastest processor on the planet. that doesn't mean we can't mod the ****in OS of our phone. most importantly, that doesn't mean it's not the only phone that's made by the worldwide leader of the internet.

so please, think a little bit before you talk. it IS a superphone, you're just not seeing it.
[Nexus One General] halorin:
I can understand and appreciate good business sense, or at least the intention of good business sense. I think it was the wrong move, though. I think if you have a buyer that's going to pay 529 for a phone that they'd pay 539 to have a better quality touch screen.
[Nexus One General] halorin:
Apparently you've only chosen to read parts of what I've posted on here. I don't know how many times I have to say that I think the N1 is the best phone available and the best one I've ever used. This judgement includes my time with a 3G and a 3GS.

At no point in this conversation were the merits of the operating system, the processor speed, or brand backing it.

We're sitting here going in circles saying the same thing so I'm going to stop posting on here. Read completely before you respond, please. Don't lump me in with anyone else because only I speak for me. Check my post counts and see if I've started threads irrationally bashing the touchscreen or anything like that and make that claim. Until then, please don't.

We're sitting here going in circles saying the same thing so I'm going to stop posting on here. Read completely before you respond, please.

EDIT: For your consideration: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzhUzq6bTPg&feature=player_embedded

Rough summation is that even pinch to zoom is less than 50% accurate on even basic motions. Just saying. Not a deal breaker for many, but impossible to ignore.
[Nexus One General] :
I can't people are so adamant about defending a sub-par component, to go to the extent of justifying it.
[Nexus One General] ap3604:
I can't believe how people keep feeding the trolls either :rolleyes:
[Nexus One General] miketlo:
Buy smarter keyboard pro its has multitouch working
[Nexus One General] halorin:
I'll check it out, thanks. :)
[Nexus One General] ap3604:
Oh yes! I dunno what people are whining about not being able to play emulators on the N1 since the NESoid emulator plays perfect for me.

Please people, stop feeding halorin(and his cohorts). He is just trying to get heated responses by making a huge deal about his emulator issue in order to get a laugh. He will respond by saying this is a genuine issue and that Google should have used a better touch screen which sound serious, but it's not.

The best way to stop hearing him whine about not being able to play his emulator is to not respond.
[Nexus One General] halorin:
I said I wouldn't post in this thread anymore, but I can't let flat out false information stand.

ap3604,

1) I don't have cohorts. I'm in no gang, or group. I happen to LIKE the phone. Making me out to be something I'm not is laughable. We're all adults who like the phone.

2) When you have time, download the free version of SuperGNES. Get Super Mario World, play in portrait mode, and try a running jump, or to press even two buttons at the same time.
[Nexus One General] PrawnPoBoy:
I actually prefer this video for demonstrating the touchscreen limitations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsSUqkh8pcI

It's was a very bad decision to use the Clearpad 2000 in this phone. It wasn't the right part for the job, and I'm sure HTC knows it. The Atmel touchscreen used in HTC's new phones looks great.
[Nexus One General] halorin:
That video pretty handily shows why I'm not a fan of the touch screen. Some inputs would be inverted before any axises would be crossed. It's just not reliable for gaming.
[Nexus One General] RogerPodacter:
that last video shows it looking pretty bad. i thought i read somewhere that someone had changed a setting, or compared the nexus one setting to the desire or incredible setting, and one was "on" and the other "off". couldnt the nexus one be fixed with some software tweaks? i mean lets face it, if the touch screen is reading the inverse in certain situations, it's not very difficult to correct that with a couple lines of code.
[Nexus One General] halorin:
A couple of sites have rumored that some of the touchscreen issues is going to be addressed in 2.2. We'll see. I hope so.
[Nexus One General] Eclair~:
I am so glad I don't "game" on my phone (at least not the SNES emulator), I would probably care about the screen like you people seem to if it irritated me as much as it does everyone else. Everything else is fine, and I rarely notice issues with quick typing - unless I have adapted to the issue and altered my typing accordingly. The HTC_IME keyboard serves me well for a heavy texter like me.. and pinch to zoom is something that never screws up.

The only emulator which I do play is GameBoid, and holding A or B while walking to run (how it is in most games) works flawlessly. Is this thread only about emulators? Or just how this is going to effect gaming in general? Overall I really just never have problems with my screen, none of that "crazy" stuff that happens to people.. nothing at all really. I also never need 7 fingers on the screen, lol.
[Nexus One General] halorin:
There's an off chance that a fix in 2.2 could resolve a lot of the issues with gaming on the Nexus One. If they can resolve the 15mm axis issue then in theory you should be able to fat finger multiple responses more reliably.

Yes, for me the multitouch issues are completely gaming related. I receive other anomalies from time to time while browsing, but they aren't show stoppers.

I have better things to do than to have a negative bias for a phone for no reaaon. Like I've said before, I like the phone a Hell of a lot. Maybe 2.2 can fix things.
[Nexus One General] greengoldmello:
+1

Also, playing with the controls on opposite sides of the screen because of the phones limitations is just plain annoying.
[Nexus One General] bobdude5:
NEXUS ONE SUCKS!!! anybody who owns one is an idiot. You'd have to be a complete imbecile to choose the Nexus Crap over an iphone.

IPHONE = BEST PHONE EVER!

NEXUS ONE = EPIC FAIL!!!

ANDROID = EPIC EPIC EPIC FAIL!!!

android is a pile of crap
[Nexus One General] attn1:
My parody thread gets moved, but trolls thrive. Go figure.
[Nexus One General] Eclair~:
Guys, I really think he was just kidding, being sarcastic. Making fun of this thread through idiotic statements.

If he wasn't.. then nvm.. I would think a troll would be banned by now.
[Nexus One General] ChillRays:
Don't you just hate it when people try too hard to be funny.

Speaking of...

If a clock is hungry, does it go back 4 seconds?
[Nexus One General] ap3604:
:(:(:(

Get off the stage!!! ;)
[Nexus One General] ChillRays:
lol, tell all your friends that one. :)
[Nexus One General] DarkDvr:
Is this some kind of a new troll? The "plain and obvious" one?
[Nexus One General] bobdude5:
im not a troll buddy, im an ogre.
[Nexus One General] bobdude5:
ahahahahah i love your edit man
[Nexus One General] htb2050:
textsfromlastnight.com

okay .... so its the reply to that guy who said that scrolling on nexus ine on textsfromlastnight.com doesn;t work smooth.....so just to tell you that I am running windows 7 ultimate core 2 duo 2.2ghz and 4gb of ram and I have opened this site in latest beta of chrome , and latest versions of firefox,opera,safari and IE8 and still I get a lag while scrolling on my PC..... So, what do you expect from a phone when a machine like this couldn't scroll smoothly...... just think about it...... and even scrolling isn't a big issue after all......... but just think that thats a MOBILE PHONE NOT A SUPER COMPUTER!!!!!!!! :)
[Nexus One General] halorin:
Check your computer? It scrolls fine on mine. My nexus one renders that site about the same as my old Tilt 2 and not as well as my girlfriend's 3gs.
[Nexus One General] sousafrui:
you make no sense!!!
[Nexus One General] britoso:
OP +1

Agree mostly, except I do believe the iPhone works well for the common-non-technical people in society. I will still pity them :)
[Nexus One General] BlueScreenJunky:
Yeah.

I do hate the iPhone because I don't like the way Apple do things (no USB, you pretty much have to use iTunes unless you jailbreak the phone etc.) and I think the Nexus One is a better phone (which is mainly because it's newer than the 3GS).

However, I have to say it's a pretty good phone, the UI is simple and responsive, it has lots of apps and it just works the way it should.

That being said, I totally agree with the fact that Nexus owners should stop complaining about every little detail.