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[Off-topic] Sithlord:
You're right! HD2 is a nice piece of HARDWARE! The underlying OS is still a big pile of crap written by people who know nothing about OS design. Deciders there must be REAL stupid to think that checkboxes/combos/lists on a classic desktop computer scales down correctly to a 2~3 inches handheld screen when there, they'll be 16 pixels tall... Stupid conception, lack of minimal intelligence! People using handhelds want to use their fingers, not styluses!

iPhone, as MacOS X, uses a BSD kernel as foundations and there you have real engineers design. I don't own any Apple machine and I dislike a lot this brand but I'm a Unix lover for all its concepts and they were designed in the 70's!

Windows, and then WinMo, doesn't scale anywhere but in a classic computer, be it a desktop or a server.

BSD/Linux/whatever Unix flavour scales from the smallest Phone/DVDPlayer/MP3Player to the Top500 super computers accross the world! Sorry mate but that is design!

HD2 is a very nice device only because of 1GHz SnapDragon! The OS is so badly designed in its internals that you must compensate with a strong armed CPU to make it run fast.

I own a Blackstone with WinMo 6.5 and I find very amusing that bootstrapping Android from my SDCard through haret.exe makes the device react WAY MORE smoothly than the native WinCrap OS... Tell me know... What in Android is so much more optimised in graphics rendering that the native OS, designed specifically by Microsoft and HTC for the drivers part, can't match with ?

I use DeviceEmulator with 6.5 ROM on a Windows machine and on the Windows part, I use a CPU monitor. DeviceEmulator isn't graphics optimized and all operations and refreshes are done via the emulated ARM CPU. Tell me... Using iPhoneToday loaded with icons and multiple pages, the scrolling is very smooth and the Windows CPU monitor shows a 20% usage while scrolling. Playing the same way with the 6.5 StartMenu seems a bit more jerky and shows a 78% CPU usage ? If Microsoft "engineers" knew a bit about quality programming, we would know for a long time now!

Finally ever used any .NET CF 3.5 application ? That's the WORST user experience one can have ! Take a fine example : iContactAE ! 2 executables, the main one which does not feature a single line of .NET CF code and the setup tool which is entirely written in .NET CF...

The first one features instantaneous startup time, smooth and fast scrolling, ultra reactivity and low memory consumption (compared to it's "massive" graphical objects usage). The second one, on my Blackstone, "features" 6s startup time, sluggish pages refresh and all that for... checkboxes, comboboxes and tabbed configuration pages! Yeah... that's what we call "computing evolution".

Please, find me a SINGLE application, written in .NET CF, not memory resident that, on a modern device (400MHz CPU) features quite instantaneous startup time and no sluggish refreshes. Good luck!
[Off-topic] MalekoUK:
Its funny how many people instantly jump on Windows Mobile when the HD2 is mentioned, and they don't mention HTC Sense, which imo, is awesome, along with other apps you can get, you can have the HD2 running amazingly. The underlying OS IS crap, everyone knows that, and it is very dated, BUT it has given us HTC Sense so to speak.
[Off-topic] shu8i:
that's where sense comes to work :) to hide that crap;) get some addons like co0kie and your homescreen is as customizable as android (move around abjects, delete etc.). get a custom ROM and it's like 5x faster than than stock. so it's not just the hardware. i dare you to find any mobile OS that you can customize as you can a winmo device :)
[Off-topic] tsalta:
I CANT Agree with you

I use Blackstone but i play with HD2 so.. maybe you never play with 3GS ? so now here we speak Bullshits.. I DONT LIKE the APLE company but when i see something BLACK i cant tell is WHITE do u understand me what i mean?!

Also now you compare 2 absolutly diferent devices..

Also no matter what Processor will put in the NEW devices i mean new HTC and other WinMo devices.. they never will run Smooth And Faster..

FOr everyone here Smooth and Faster mean diferent things.. for my Slow for someone can be a Faster and etc etc...

But we must all to agree that the feeling when you touching iPhone Screen and slide and do all the things.. is COMPLATE diferent and you cannot compare it with any other WINMO device...

Also for example im using Blackstone and i have it from when they hit the market..

SO he have bigger screen than iPhone and its good looking device.. BUT on the same time..no matter of that big screen the Blackstone is NOT FINGER FRIENDLY no matter do with WinMo 6.5 or 6.5.5 we trying to make it more finger friendly but have something that we cannot change because the Whole WINDOWS MOBILE OS is not finger Friendly...

So why u need a bigger screen then? when its hard to do everything with fingers?

the HTC do awesome devices and not only the Biggest problem always will be Microsoft everyone know that WINDOWS is one of the Slowest OS avalible..

When Android hit the market and like we know is a young OS platform even they are 10 times faster than Windows.. so for this reason im telling you

for exampe after 5 years you will buy a HTC with 2 GHZ processor and one iPhone with half of this parameters will make you crazy because JUST the Windows Mobile OS Sucks..

When the new iPhone is out after around 2 mounths and even i dont know the full real specs i can insure you that this Phone will kill all Device that you speak now they are fast.. LEO and etc..

The Hardwere is PERFECT but the Soft is very very BAD.
[Off-topic] shu8i:
actually no i do not understand what you mean. first, stop to generalize everything. second i came from an iphone to the HD2 / and almost every friend of mine has an iphone, so yeah i know how an iphone feels ;) and after using the HD2 an iphone will never be an option for me again. HTC made a great job integrating Sense into winmo, so thats for fingerfriendly. Screensize? well don't you ever watch videos/pics on your device? it has nothing to do with the OS.

_but_

that's not the point of this thread,is it? although i don't understand what you want to review before the device is actually out.
[Off-topic] ramdroid77:
why is this board filled up with so much hate against WM? why do such people sign up to this board if this is all they do? Do they even know that without WM xda-developers never existed!

about complaints about checkboxes and whatever. Windows Mobile originally was a operating system for PDAs and noone used their fingers to use it. A stylus was common sense.... You can only blame Microsoft for not releasing a new finger friendly UI earlier. But to talk **** about the OS (only because the checkboxes are too small) is very very stupid!!!

I think some people here should run their own site and call it iphone-developers.com and we are free of all this junk.

And if the next guy is now jumping in "Why don't you choose the best available OS and not only defend a bad habit" then he can leave already. People contributing to this board already made their decission to have a WM phone.

Thanks for attention!
[Off-topic] Sithlord:
Don't misunderstand me! HD2 is a NICE device and I wish I could have one myself. Unfortunately, it uses a WinMo OS. Unfortunately again, some apps I really need only exist (for now) on WinMo so I'll wait a bit.

After that, I'll certainly jump on the Android world as it is the only world meeting my needs and wishes (which are very picky on technical aspects). iPhone is a no go for me only because of Apple itself, I just hate the way this company gives itself the right to take decisions on behalf of the end user, where the device physically is!

Android also have it's drawbacks and I hope nothing nasty will happen with it.
[Off-topic] xaccers:
Could someone please direct me to the Blackstone HTC stock rom with WM6.5?
[Off-topic] Sithlord:
That's funny but I precisely REMOVED HTC Sense/Manila specifically because, from my point of view, it's totally UNCONFIGURABLE :rolleyes:

Hiding/Showing tabs is not what I call "configurable software". Ever tried to add your own Tab for your own needs and wishes ? You'll find out you can't... Ok then, let's try to feedle with the internal configuration to find something useful and reach the goal.. Wow.. how nice! Compiled LUA scripts, proprietary QIX image format (what the hell for, god knows), stupid and useless files naming conventions, etc.. etc...

Yep, exactly ALL I hate from proprietary software developpment. "We MUST close ALL doors to end users! They don't need to know, they MUST NOT know how our internals work".

Strangely enough, iPhoneToday or, more Sense-like software such as WisbarAdvanceDesktop, REALLY ARE what I call "configurable software" because they really ALLOW you to whatever you want!

Oh, and for the record, of course I use a cooked ROM and less than 1% of original WinMo standard applications... I've replaced quite all of them by software designed by REAL developpers, not MS wanabees only able to pee useless and unoptimised lines of code :p
[Off-topic] Sithlord:
I see it in another way... Without XDA-Dev, I wouldn't have bought a WinMo device, which would be totally useless using only poorly designed provided software.

Here you are mistaken! Tell me exactly the difference between a PDA and a PDAPhone ? None except the phone functionality!

Stylus wasn't common sense at all, it was a decision, nothing more nothing less! These devices are TouchScreen devices, using a stylus or your fingers doesn't change the technology behind! Resistive screens (WinMo) are very precise but not reactive, Capacitive screens (iPhone, HD2) are not precise at all but very reactive. Using fingers instead of stylus explains why all devices are migrating to capacitive screens. Users want their device to respond quickly and use their fingers, hence my rant agains WinMo design and piles of pure design crap such as .NET CF (from a developper perspective : traversing 20 inherited classes from the method to the actual function in the OS can't make the framework react fast in any way! Ever seen a .NET CF stack trace in case of an exception? I've only seen Java producing so huge stack traces)

I blame MS for not being able to understand their users and take for granted that in late 2000, users still want to use styluses... Get rid of them! I blame MS for not being able to consider that Portable devices ARE NOT Desktop Computers and rules applying to the later ones do NOT apply to former ones. MS lack everything, from long term vision to technical expertise!

Their only strength lies in the fact that WinMo devices are so spread in the world that they have some kind of assured market. If the market was the result of technical merits, WinMo wouldn't even exist!
[Off-topic] Sithlord:
HTC decided that Blackstone is an old and deprecated device so only 6.1 ROM is available :(

For a really stock 6.5 ROM, KWBR Vanilla Series

I've tested 6.5.3 and 6.5.5 ROMs and I haven't yet decided which one to use, I first have to test them thoroughly. I really like "stock" ROMs, not fully featured with builtin software which turns to be "useless" in time with the need of updates. I'd rather update software than reflash my ROM.

* Blackstonehenge : 6.5.3 ROM (28232) => Clean and pretty fast

* Ravage (Clean) : 6.5.5 ROM (23547) => Clean and fast. But, for some reason, I can't find it anymore on the forum.. Anyway, Ravage seems to be a discontinued project.

No other 6.5.5 ROM attracts me, most are overloaded with useless software (for my needs of course) and featuring visual themes that I really don't like :)
[Off-topic] tsalta:
I TOTALY AGREE with you

Without XDA i will never buy a WinMo so here is what we talk about.

If XDA was not avalible do u still will get an HD2? I DONT THINK SO because all you will get with that device is some Stupid apps from Marketplace and etc...

Honestly when i buy my Blackstone if there was not a XDA i will break my device after a mounth of usage and put it in the TRASH...

I dont know but if i was a Microsoft or some HTC director will plan to make a serious very serious DONATION to XDA because i don`t know who will buy something without support.

All the Guys from here are here because they want to be here and they are for free here so imagine if they was not here.

so HTC and Microsoft must to buy for each member here one Bentley minimum for the jobs they did... :)
[Off-topic] xaccers:
Exactly what I thought.

So by putting a cooked rom of an OS on the blackstone and saying it's slow isn't really a reasonable thing to do.

It would be like me taking my HX2190b with a cooked WM6.5 ROM on it and complaining that it's slow (which it isn't come to think of it).

When PDAs first came out, the mindset amongst not only the manufacturers but also the users was they were pocket PC's, and so should have similar interfaces as the current PC OS.

The screens were not that large or responsive and usually had a large bevel around them.

Due to the low resolution and therefore low useful text/icon size it made sense to use a stylus, just as it made sense to give it a file manager and start menu that resembled the PC's.

You still had finger friendly shortcuts.

PDAs were a niche market, it was years before someone in the business thought of combining the two and that was into a smartphone with a tiny screen.

OK in developer land there were people who were slowly creating dialers which turned your PDA into a windows mobile device via bluetooth to your cellphone but of the ones I knew about they didn't get very far.

M$ have never seemed to put much value on PDAs, and even now, I don't think their low market share really bothers them that much, just look at how awful WP7 looks.
[Off-topic] shonanthebarbarianTP2:
Nexus one! Enough said.

Sent from my Nexus One using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk
[Off-topic] shu8i:
@ topic: http://gizmodo.com/5520164/this-is-apples-next-iphone
[Off-topic] Sithlord:
You REALLY MUST BE KIDDING, don't you? :p

Stock 6.1 ROM from HTC is painfully slow ! KWBR's WinMo 6.5 is way faster and responsive ! Both Ravage (6.5.5) and BlackstoneHenge (6.5.3) are even faster and responsive.

Nonetheless, all of them are still far away from the smoothness of Android or an iPhone.

That's exactly my point! The pure lack of vision from MS. Trying to reproduce on PDAs what was done on desktops... Just like trying to fit in a motorcycle everything coming from a car (seats, pedals, stiringwheel, gearbox, ..) on the sole basic idea that both are vehicles, eventhough they have nothing to do one another...
[Off-topic] eaglesteve:
This has zero credibility to me.

But I think there has been a real accidental leak. See the following for the real thing:

http://m.gizmodo.com/site?sid=gizmo...s-is-apples-next-iphone?op=post&refId=5520164

http://gizmodo.com/5520164/this-is-apples-next-iphone?skyline=true&s=i

The phone has been cleverly disguised as a 3GS with a specially made plastic case. When it was first found in the bar, it was working, running OS4.0. After a while, it was deactivated by Apple and can now only show the USB cable connecting to iTune logo. When plugged into iTune, it is identified as an iPhone.

Apparently, Geohot, our Godman hacker, the author of BlackRa1n, wants to re-activate this phone now. So, all evidence point to the authencity of this as the real next iPhone.

Cheers.
[Off-topic] ramdroid77:
I still see this different. WM originally was a business phone to be used with a stylus. As far as I know the story people only started to ask for finger friendly UI when they've seen the iphone. Take a look at all 30.000 WM apps back then they all were designed for stylus use.... even most tools on xda.

I for myself bought my phone prior to knowing about the existence of xda-developers and I doubt a common WM user knows about it as well. I was already happy with my stock phone (thanks to HTC) but when discovering xda it got so much better, so xda is "only" a BIG bonus for you WM phone. In this case you can compare this situation to iphone as well because the common user doesn't jailbreak his phone and install apps from the "inofficial" store.
[Off-topic] Sithlord:
I don't know if you are a developer (be it WinMo or any other platform) but that's perfectly understandable! The underlying OS you develop on gives you all the classes and methods to handle StringGadgets, Checkboxes, CombLists, ListViews, etc... Why on earth would you spend a whole load of time reimplementing these in a finger friendly fashion? Even worse, you'd have to reimplement these on each of your apps unless you built a public framework and share with other developers.

You use what the OS gives you, period. No surprise then that 30K+ apps use the same look and feel.

That's the job of the underlying OS to provide finger friendly interface gadgets in order for the developer to not have to change a single line of code. An "old" GUI rendering becomes modern thanks to the OS upgrade. That's what happens partly with WinMo 6.5.x but of course, the inner lack of design of so called MS engineers, makes the goal very hard to reach, most apps need to be rewritten for the new interface constraints.

You're right! Common people don't know about XDA-Dev nor jailbreak their phone but let me think a bit : If both of us are here, maybe that's because we're not that common? We want to improve our knowledge of the inner workings of our devices and OS right? So, don't mix different perspectives.

For you XDA-Dev is a big bonus. For me, it was the sinequanone condition to buy a WinMo device.

The goals are VERY different : MS writes WinMo to SELL to manufacturers, XDA-Dev is all about helping people in all possible ways! Thank you to all hardcore devs here who allowed me to enjoy full speed 3D on my Blackstone as HTC decided that it was a "business class" phone and didn't bother implementing 3D primitives in their driver. That's a simple example! I wasn't granted the right to use my device in English langage and I don't like localized OSes, hopefully, HardSPL was updated! Thank you to all ROM cookers and so on, and so on... XDA-Dev isn't just a bonus in my opinion :rolleyes:

PS: Ok, YOU are a developer, I should have read your signature a bit earlier :)
[Off-topic] orb3000:
Please move to off topic

As this site does not care or dedicate to this device.
[Off-topic] donnaw:
I agree with Orb

I've been using WM Pda/Phones for over 10 years and you probably have to know the evolution to understand why the menus etc are the way they are. And I suspect that most of you are too young to remember.

However, this forum is for WM and Android phones. Speculation about IPhones on this forum should be in the off-topic area. Perhaps you should post your speculations and discussion topic on an Apple forum. Unless of course you are specifically trying to start a flame war. And that serves no useful purpose at all.
[Off-topic] xaccers:
It's not on mine.
[Off-topic] Austin021296:
Damn i would hope that's not the iphone 4g. That thing is ugly...
[Off-topic] GHOST99K:
why people talking about iphone 4g where in not even out yet and thissssssssss issssssss XDA-DEVELOPERSSSSSSSSSS.sorry i had to do that i left iphone for XDA and thanks to XDA for everything thats better than the microsoft marketplace and its FREE.iphone lovers should go to SAURIK'S web or forum to talk about iphone.
[Off-topic] DaveTheTytnIIGuy:
Excuse me if I don't get the point of this thread, but is the idea here to review a device that hasn't been released yet based on nothing but pure speculation and fake renders? No offense, but this thread seems kind of useless.

Every year, I see people anticipating the new iPhone. I remember when people were talking about how the iPhone would have its own cell network run by Apple, how the iPhone 3G would have a giant screen and folding keyboard, and the 3GS would have full Flash 10 compatibility in Safari, and now how the iPhone "4G" will have a dual core processor, a 5MP camera, and a removable battery.

How about this, at least base your reviews off of ACTUAL DEVICES THAT YOU ACTUALLY POSSESS!!! Or at least you should base your speculation off of the actual prototype that was found. If you read that, you will see real facts, like how the battery is not user removable.

If this post is only to bash Windows Mobile, it's not really needed considering the OS practically bashes itself at times. This thread is kind of pointless for all other purposes too, IMO.
[Off-topic] Simon_WM:
Guys im really sorry to say this,

but i really like the new design of the iphone, i know am betraying the rules and the forum but i think it looks swish and modern...

sorry :p
[Off-topic] xaccers:
Blasphemer! Stone him! Stone him! :D
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Dic3ptor:
I see no pictures when slide to the pictures tab with slider!:confused:

PLS HELP!

look at Screenshot:

EDIT: CLOSED!!!!!! It was TX_Total_Landscape! THX!!!!
[HD2 General] zappinggg:
Hello

I have a problem with my GPS receiver. I run IGO and no SAT is recognized. I tested the program VISUALGPSE got an error message when launching: Unable to open port. Please close the application Accessing the communication port.

And I add that when I make a detection in AUTO IGO8 it launches Bluetooth

I tried other ports such as COM1 or 2 but even résultalt

idea please

thank you
[HD2 General] rp-x1:
Are you using COM4?
[HD2 General] zappinggg:
Yes I'm using COM4.
[HD2 General] zappinggg:
i flash with an official rom its ok now!
[Desire Accessories] boge:
I just ordered the battery + external charger from ebay. They are originally for nexus one, but I think the battery is the same, isn’t it? It might take a while before I receive it, especially with the eruption.

I’ll post some picture after I received it.

Here is the link

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270544106645&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBSA:DE:1123

and

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...PageName=ADME:B:EOIBSA:DE:1123#ht_2662wt_1040
[Desire Accessories] kinkade:
keep us posted, it'll be awesome if the desire and nexus use the same battery.

might be worth somoen investigating if its a common battery with any other htc phones
[Desire Accessories] n-j-f:
It's pretty clear the Nexus One and the Desire use the same standard battery - both have the same part number BA-S410.
[Desire Accessories] references:
I received my battery today the from same seller, i don't know if its defective, but i have charced it fully and it works ok, but when i try to take a pic with flash or use flash app it will shut the phone off.. tho i ordered another one a week ago as i thought maybe ill need few extra if im gonna heavy use my phone somewhere.. So i'll see in few weeks will that another one work or not..

Have you received yours yet? Does it work correctly?
[Desire Accessories] sactoguy:
@references

As I recall correctly, I ordered an aftermarket battery for my xperia x1 on eBay, I had the same thing happen, the phone shut down on itself when I received a call, even though the battery took a full charge. So I believe you got a real bad battery.
[Desire Accessories] oursoul:
I wouldn't skimp when it comes to buying a battery or for that matter a charger. That charger OP reminds me so much of the cheap charger and battery I bought for my psp a few years back, the battery only lasted for 5 mins and the charger caught fire.

AAAk

I've been looking at this:

http://www.easydevices.co.uk/products.asp?partno=HTCDESCRD2ND&model=
[Desire Accessories] references:
@sactoguy

Got a message from seller that it is a faulty one and he will send me another, hope new one works.. history show's that 40 of those batteries have been allready sold, so i guess they work fine as no-one else has complained about them!
[Desire Accessories] pm007:
awaiting for an extended one...
[Desire Accessories] jauhari:
Any update about your Order?
[Desire Accessories] references:
Quick update from me:

Received a new battery last week and its working, last one was really defective.. I havn't measured with any machine is it really 1400mah, but i dont notice it to be any weaker than the original battery!

Nexus battery its a little thinner from the edges and it can drop off if you don't have your back cover on.