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[HD2 General] darthrider:
Hi all,

I am trying to find a way to keep the great TomTom working while the HD2 is running on battery and while the screen is locked by the buit-in WM 6.5 LockScreen. My HD2 is running french stock rom 1.66.

I have found that after 10' running in background on battery, TomTom shows a window asking the user a confirmation to keep running. Of course, if no answer is given, TomTom stops. I wrote a small MortScript (many thanks to its brilliant author) to avoid this:

# Run( "\Program Files\Navigator\TomTom Navigator.exe" )
Sleep( 3000 )
While( WndExists( "TomTom" ) )
ToggleDisplay(ON)
Show( "TomTom" )
IdleTimerReset
Sleep( 5000 )
EndWhile
Exit

But... a problem remains ;)

After launching TomTom, running this script and then locking the screen... it works fine for approximatively 15", then the WM 6.5 LockScreen shutdowns the device... the script brings it back to life but the GPS signal has been lost and TomTom has to acquire it again... It is interesting to note that the behavior of LockScreen is quite different on external power: it seems to take into account the user's settings of the backlight control panel.

-> So here is my question: is there any parameter (registry key, value in a configuration file, etc.) that would allow to set the shutdown timeout of the WM 6.5 LockScreen ? Or, is there any way to make the device think that it is running on external power while it is actually running on battery?

I must add that I have searched the registry (particularly, but not only, in HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power and HKCU\ControlPanel) and I have made many tries during hours with no success. Of course, I have also searched xda-developers.

Have a nice day!
[HD2 General] xsports:
Hi!

The same problem here. Searched for a while but i couldn't find something.

I (presume) also want to use my tomtom on my phone for navigation on my (motor)bike.

Grtz
[HD2 General] EvilBetty:
My screen locks even when connected to power. Is this a setting somewhere?
[Desire General] Lyrrad:
Hi

I'm expecting delivery of T-Mobile HTC Desire soon.

I have chosen this phone over HTC HD2 on a 7 day trial basis.

I know of the issue concerning bluetooth voice dialing on android phones and I am prepared to accept that there might or might not be a solution eventually.

I am a user of Thunderbird and use a program called Birdiesync for use with Windows Mobile phones. It just works 100%.

It seems to sync Thunderbird calendar and email will be fine on Desire, but I'm not so sure about thunderbird and contacts. For me most of my 500 contacts have postal addresses which are important to me, whereas only a small % have email addresses. It seems Thunderbird and Google contacts are handled differently and the few Thunderbird addons that exist for this issue are not 100%. Certainly when it comes to maintaining the structure of postal addresses.

Lastly I use a piece of software called SKScheMa 1.2.17 on Windows Mobile. This allows me to create a script that turns on bluetooth when phone is on charge and turns it off when phone taken off charge. I like this because when I get out of my car and go to a customers front door I don't want the phone still connected to the car bluetooth system. this software handles this for me. QUESTION: Does juicedefender handle this or can anyone else suggest another app.

It seems I am expected to give up quite a lot of functionability to move over to the Android platform, but I do believe it is/will be the OS of choice in the future.

Feedback and help would be most gratefuly received.
[Desire General] rovex:
You almost always lose functionality when you move from Winmo, but you gain a nice interface and more fun apps. Eventually android will cover the short fall, it just depends how long you can wait.

The issue with the Desire v HD2 is not just software though. As nice as the AMOLED on the Desire is, the size of the HD2 is compelling. There really is no contest for picture and movie viewing. Some like the saturation level on AMOLED screens, but its much less natural than the LCD on the HD2, its just over saturated. Its not such a big deal on a phone i guess, but some pictures and videos do look quite wrong. I put both through a calibration using the gear i had for my Plasma and i can tell you the blacks on the AMOLED are great, but the colours are WAY WAY off. The HD2 is much better despite only being 65k colours.
[Desire General] Lyrrad:
Yeah

I'm not too sure if Android is for me to be honest.

I am fed up with poor battery life on every single Winmo phone I have ever owned. I use about 1500mins of tak per month. I really do need MS Voice Command, couldn't care less about playing mp3's watching vids etc. I like to be able to surf net and send and recieve emails. Because of my usage i will always be offered top spec phone for free. I just fancied a change, but even prior to delivery I may have to accept the fact that this latest phone is gonna have to be yet another HTC winmo phone that comes with an old platform, poor battery life etc. I may just need to wait another 18 months of contract before moving over to Android. I'm not too sure what winmo 7 will bring or lack or even if it will be available from here for the HD2

Although I am yet to get the Desire in my hands, it seems everything about the OS is a workaround to get the most basic of features working in a fashion that I am used to. The ability to sync contacts/email and calendar should just work. I just don't get it! Perhaps thunderbird is the problem, but I am not prepared to use Outlook. I use portable thunderbird on my main drive, and this allows you to copy the whole thin over onto a USB stick and use anywhere if required. hats just not possible with Outlook.
[Desire General] EddyOS:
The HD2 is a great phone if you want compatibility with Office apps and the like. The screen is awesome and (if you use a custom ROM) bettery life is more than acceptable (2 days with moderate use).

BUT the Desire is a better all round phone out the box. I had to cook my own ROM to get my HD2 how I wanted it. I've not touched a thing on the Desire since I got it.
[Desire General] Lyrrad:
Perhaps you can help me then.

I really would love to be able to have bluetooth on when unit is on charge and off when not. Does anyone know of an app that does it. Does Juicedefender?

Whilst I may not have to meddle with the Desire it just might be beacuse nothing I want it to do for me is actually available.

1. No bluetooth handsfree voice dialing

2. No apparant flawless syncing between Thunderbird and Android platform

3. No bluetooth on when on charge and off when disconnected.

Whilst I fully understand my requirements may not be on the forefront of many mainstream users, they are hardly so obscure to be not available.

I just don't get it. I know the Android platform is the future, but perhaps for me I need to wait.

I'll give it the 7 days and see if the experience is so great that I'm prepared to give up the proper functionability I have come to expect from a phone.
[Desire General] skilty:
I had the same dilema... HD2 or Desire..

I've got the Desire but it's going back to orange today... Don't get me wrong it's a good phone but the main things I use my phone for just don't work as well as in my winmo diamond... so, i'm getting the HD2 - I stream a lot of video/mp3s with myplayer, skyfire (tvactchup) and also use fpsece a lot on my diamond but the experience i've had with video streaming on the desire is'nt great.. I know they'll get it right when Full Flash is released later in the year (10.1? is it?) but I'm a bit impatient and I can't wait till then.

I've also tried Xdandroid on my diamond and although it's not perfect I should be able to run Android on my winmo device anyway - so that's made my mind up.
[Desire General] sn0rg:
I've had my HD2 for about 6 weeks now, and I'm fed up with it. I have loads of issues with it, but the big ones are:

- Constantly crashes (dialer app mainly - I've tried various ROMS with no luck)

- On screen keyboard is useless

- Internet links impossible to hit cleanly every time, even when zoomed in.

- Smooth scrolling of menus/web pages is impossible

- Lack of a proper "App Store"

- No upgrade path to Win Phone 7

- Confused, counter intuitive UI layout (Window's fault)

- Phone is so large its difficult to hold/operate with one hand.

My wife took delivery of her Desire yesterday, and I'm jealous, although it has reminded me that the HD2 has a lovely *big* screen in comparison.

Desire first impressions:

- On screen keyboard is a delight to use

- Internet links are easy to click

- Nice smooth menu action

- Well thought out, intuitive UI

- Sits nicely in the palm, easy to use one handed
[Desire General] rovex:
In terms of battery life no smart phone is especially good. I dont think you really lose or gain anything by switching to another OS if the hardware spec is basically the same.
[Desire General] Guitarfreak26:
Get both! haha

Sent from my HTC Desire using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalkp
[Desire General] ritdaw:
I'm pretty sure that Locale does this on the market, and I believe there are plenty of others too but I can't remember off the top of my head.

I would never go back to WinMo even if someone gave me the latest handset.
[Desire General] Lyrrad:
Okay I have also been told that Tasker does it too.

Now I need to be convinced about syncing with Thunderbird properly. Calendar seems fine, and email is easy for me. It's just how contacts are handled. I use postal addresses a lot and I pride myself on the fact that I have over 600 records all properly set out below.

Address

City

State

Postal Code

Home Tel

Mobile Tel

Work Tel

Very few of them have an email address.

Android/Google seems to require an email address so all of my contacts now seem to require a bogus email. That's ok, but Google also seem to want to handle the address more a a note than anything else, and it does not seem to look nice on my PC. How it looks on my phone will be the make or breaking point for me.
[Desire General] A|ex:
I personally like the desire over the HD2, the one thing that annyoed me about the HD2 was the screen problems and having to keep on sending it back to HTC until you finally got one that worked.

Apart from that the wm6.5 and the phone itself was spot on, the HTC Desire on the other hand has not been rooted yet but is damn fast, if not faster than the bulky WM. The only down side to the desire for me are the keys at the bottom of the device.
[Desire General] ritdaw:
A large number of my contacts just have phone numbers and no email addresses. I tried creating a new contact with just a name and it work. Am I miss-understanding what you are trying to do?

Also setting profiles lite/pro probably handles the disabling and enabling of bluetooth.
[Desire General] Lyrrad:
I'm not too sure if this is a Thunderbird issue. I use thunderbird over Outlook because you can instaal Portable Thunderbird onto your hard drive rather than a USB drive. Portable thunderbird by it's very nature does not install anything into your registery. Therefore it is possible to copy it in it in full at any given time on to a USB stick and then you are walking around with all of your details to be used plugged into any PC. I suppose if I were to really sit down and think about this option it may well be redundant if I am prepared to use Google. However my way of thinking at the moment is to use google as nothing more than a server between my Android phone and my email client.

All I know is that the Thunderbird addons do not seem to be flawless.

I need to get the phone and experiment.

I really would like it to work.

No Voice Command or anything that offere bluetooth handsfree voice dialling was all I thought I was giving up by moving to Android. However that may not be the case.
[Desire General] CEPi:
Hi all,

Anyone can confirm that Desire has a rSAP (remote Sim access)?

Some people are saying it doesn't work with their Nav, some say it is working.

Any one got it hooked up to their Vw/Audi/Skoda RNS Nav?

Looking to change from my TouchHD.

Cheers,
[Desire General] rhedgehog:
Android does not support the SAP/rSAP protocol. It may be that some people have it working on cars that use the HFP or HSP profiles.
[Desire General] CEPi:
Thanks mate, not good at all!!!
[Desire General] swissman:
A little up now the phone's live...

Does it support rsap? is there any way to push contacts etc...?

I got an audi with a built in Bluetooth system, pairing ok, phone etc ok, but no possibilities with my desire to have rsap working
[Desire General] salahag:
I also have the Audi built in BT system, and it works fine except that from what I've read about rSAP, I don't think it's working in that mode with the Audi.

The only difference (problem) I've been facing with my HTC phones vs. Nokia e71 is that the phone ring tone is not pushed to the car speakers when receiving a call. I was hoping it would work with the Desire as the default Audi BT ringtone is stupidly annoying.

Sorry off topic again, but I was wondering, are Bluetooth profiles generally defined by hardware or software? Or some by this, some by that?
[Desire General] SuppleX:
Maybe you could check if it has another setting to retrieve data from the phone.

From what i know the new modules used in audi/vw/skoda are Novero modules (part of the nokia business) which only supports rsap.

The older modules are from harman/Becker and do support al the possible connectiontypes.

You can check which type you have under the passengers frontseat, the modules are build in under the seat, not in the radio.

If you have a Novero, tough luck. But you can always check on the local car junkyard if you can find an old car which does have a harman/becker, and build that one in
[Desire General] salahag:
Just wanted to add to eliminate any confusion. I can dial contacts saved on the phone and directly search for them on the car screen. But what I understood is that rSAP profile connects to the SIM card and fully replaces the phone, where it goes into some kind of sleep mode!
[Desire General] swissman:
Exactly... you can even read/send sms directly through the display and through your car multimedia system.
[Desire General] Tirinoarim:
Ford

Just a little extra info, Desire now works with the Ford Convers+ system but ONLY on Android 2.1 Update1 (the stock Android 2.1 didn't work).

Just thought that may be why there's mixed reports of working/not working?
[Desire General] swissman:
I got the stock Android and it's showing Android 2.1 update 1.... but not working ;-)
[Desire General] ediflyer:
Hmm - well I'm trying to use my HTC Desire with a 2010 Audi A3 with BT and not having any luck so far. Although it paired and transferred the phonebook (took quite a few minutes with a couple of hundred contacts), it's now being really flaky and sometimes just refusing to connect at all. I tried un-pairing/re-pairing but to no avail. It just seems to work sometimes for a bit then stop again. By comparison pairing my Desire with a Jabra BT headset worked fine.

Anyone else having these problems? Anyone know of any updates for the Audi software? (if not I suppose I'll just need to wait for Froyo and hope that it fixes things :()
[Desire General] snudel:
my desire works well with my VW golf.

phone book, calls (dialing and receiving) and status dispay working. not working is SMS
[Desire General] OldFellow:
Hey Folks,

there is room for some BT "education", because most people don't know the difference between rSAP and Handsfree.

Handsfree is working like a BT headset - most disadvantage - you are using the phoneunit of your mobile.

rSAP is using BT protocoll to get only the SIM card of your mobile and work together with the phoneunit of your car.

For Audi you can see on which mode your are conntected at the MMI-Display => "SIM card icon" stands for rSAP while "Mobilephone icon" represents handsfree mode.

:cool:
[Desire General] landwomble:
no rSAP

I could be wrong, but I was of the impression that Nokia had patented the RSAP protocol, so you're not going to see it on non-Nokia phones. Irritating, really. Some car users have retrofitted their handsfree kits with a module that uses handsfree profile with some success but it's not going to use the car antennae etc in this case.
[Desire General] OldFellow:
rSAP is a "STANDARD" for bluetooth protocoll in general.

Nokia was one of the first, thatswhy the Nokia unit has some "problems" in early releases....

:D
[Desire General] Tinyk:
Well I picked up my Skoda Superb last week, dealer told me they were fitting the new GSM 3 units that had just recently changed, not that it meant much to me.

Anyways it did work fine first couple days then started playing up with not connecting, I went into the options because I found it was connecting to media, but not phone, so I disabled the media option on the phone for the bluetooth connections and its been fine ever since.

Desire running Modaco R4, R5 & R6 now also ok.

Also saw a file posted on there that is meant to fix the iffy bluetooth connection problems, its been confirmed as working but I've not tried it as I've not had any more problems with it.

Will take a look though see if its connecting with a phone or sim card, I had noticed the signal always seemed really good even if the phone was berried in the car somewhere so maybe the rSAP explains it.
[Desire General] ediflyer:
Do you have a link to the thread that includes this file by any chance?
[Desire General] mdfine:
Do not mix up android 2.1 and 2.2.

AFAIK the modaco roms are froyo which should have a better bluetooth stack than eclair.
[Desire General] ediflyer:
Well some good news! The FroYo/2.2 update on the Desire seemed to do the trick for me and I now seem to be able to get a stable BT connection with my A3. Phonebook transfer working fine too and it's reacquiring the connection when getting back into the car. :D
[Desire General] CraigCampbell:
Any hope for Android 2.1?

Alanjrobertson: did you say you got your HTC Desire Android v2.1 phone working with your Audi, albeit a bit flaky? I cant get my HTC Desire Android v2.1 phone working with my VW EOS working at all.

What was the process you followed? The process I went through was to turn on phone’s bluetooth and make my phone discoverable. I then initiated a search from the car. It found my phone and displayed the correct name. However, when I chose the “connect” option on the car, it gave the error message: "mobile telephone phone is not compatible" on the car’s MFD.

Is this what you did? Is there a better way of connecting?

The car’s entertainment system is RNS510. I’m not sure if this is associated with Bluetooth or not.

My previous phone (Nokia 5800) worked OK, but my Desire doesn’t.

I am hoping that the Android v2.2 upgrade will fix my problems, but I’m still waiting for the update from Orange. It could take a while by the sounds of things.

I contacted HTC and they told me “The HTC Desire does not have the remote sim access profile. we currently have no plans to update the Bluetooth profiles on the device.” This makes me worried that when I eventually do get the Android v2.2 upgrade it will not work.

Any ideas other than waiting for the Android v2.2 upgrade?
[Desire General] ediflyer:
Hiya - I'm afraid it was so flakey with 2.1 it was totally unusable. It only 'worked' in the sense that it would sometimes pair and did manage to transfer the phonebook, but it disconnected so often there was just no practical way of using it. It is massively more stable with 2.2 with only the very occasional glitch - it pairs within seconds of switching the car on and call quality is pretty reasonable. Still disappointed with the poor response from Audi on the issue though - they pretty much just ignored it and offered no support whatsoever.
[Desire General] CraigCampbell:
2.2 still not working

Thanks for the previous post. Orange have finally rolled out the Android 2.2 upgrade and i still cant connect with my VW premium car kit. what was the process you followed to connect the phone and car? I still get “mobile telephone not compatible message”. I initiated the search from the car. :(
[Desire General] RoadXY:
Someone is working on a solution:

http://android-rsap.com
[HD2 General] dXsL:
I switch wireless OFF, some time later, it all of a sudden is ON :confused:

I'm using Elegancia ROM now, but have had it before on Miri ROM as well (same base).

I used task manager to debug, since I suspected ActiveSync to be responsible which I have set to sync every 10 min, but no luck.

(!) possibly related: weather for "my location" only wants to update when I'm at home and connected to my wireless network. Update is not working when I'm at work and using Edge GSM. Again, I've had this before as well, and problem disappeared automatically since I flash a new ROM every few days :D Any ideas? It's driving me nuts! I can't have Leo win over me :p
[HD2 General] Donald24:
This is a bug, that happens if you use a third party tool to turn off WLAN.

If you use the comm-manager, it won't come back.

It's related to activesync in following situation:

Third party tool disables WLAN, while activesync (especially direct push) and gsm/umts data-connection is running.

-> entering no coverage of data-connections or roaming situation will trigger WLAN on.

There is NO tool on the market, that will turn off WLAN like the comm-manager does. Even not G-profile.

I was thinking of running comm-manager with a command line switch to toggle wlan, but I don't think there are such switches.

Well, I think we'll have to live with this (this is a really old bug)
[Desire General] schaze:
Hi all,

I am also thinking about buying a Desire - actually I nearly couldn't wait any more until I found the following:

http://androidandme.com/2010/03/news/is-multitouch-broken-on-the-nexus-one/

The touchscreen of the N1 seems to have a technical limitation in the way that it can only register 2 simultaneous touches at a time. But it cannot really track the touch points correctly, it merely reports 2 X and 2 Y coordinates. (Which could make up 4 Points actually of which only 2 would be the correct ones obviously)

If I understand the comments correctly the N1 has a Synaptics ClearPad 2000 touchscreen in it with the above limitations.

There is newer touchscreen called Synaptics ClearPad 3000 which actually supports 'real' multi-touch (up to 10 fingers)

http://www.synaptics.com/solutions/products/clearpad

As the N1 and Desire are practically the same thing just with different wrapping and software I got a bit worried. Can one of you guys with a Desire please check if the same issues occur for the Desire. Or maybe we are lucky and HTC used the newer screen the Desire (*hoping*)

This actually upsets me a lot as I really wanted a Desire :(

cheers,

Tommi
[Desire General] assente:
Me too.

I also found this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T97P_wfYKms

I seems it can recornize 3 touches but not crossed. (the specification of clearpad2000 sayd maximun 2 touches??!!)

EDIT: the top 2 figers share an axe!

here is the bug on Android ML..

http://groups.google.com/group/andr...ead/thread/d0aa3eea8fd9a2b8/f4b039d29f955d76#

It's and hw problem that could have a partial sw fix.
[Desire General] FloatingFatMan:
I don't really see it as a big problem. You'd be hard pressed to use more than 3 fingers on the small screen anyway.
[Desire General] besuikerd:
i dont get why the switching of axes is a problem? the only time you'll use multitouch on your desire would be to pinch zoom photos etc. but it doesnt matter if your fingers are in the top left corner and the bottem right and it thinks the other way around. it wil totaly not effect the geusture cuz the movement is stil the same.

(srry for my bad english ;) )
[Desire General] assente:
sure? look at this simple *broken* game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OscGUON6mCs