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[Desire General] gogol:
This topic has been discussed to death.

I own an HTC Desire, unlocked, HTC own retail version.

And I have never ever experienced any issue with multitouch nor when using my phone.

For fiddling around, flick flock, swipe swope, tap tap, pinch zoom, shake, gaming, whatnot.

Seriously, if this is a big issue, you will hear a lot of complaints and it will be all over the news.

In fact most if not all are happy with our phone :D
[Desire General] besuikerd:
sorry but at least I dont buy a 400 euro phone to play pong on it.

im just sayin.
[Desire General] gogol:
LOL!!!!! :D You made my day :D
[Desire General] assente:
Are u stupid or what? it was just to test the input.. if a simple game has broken multitouch imagine a <cool multitouch 3d game here>

Anyway I don't care much of this bug, because I'm not an addicted mobile gamer..
[Desire General] gogol:
You should be the stupid one because you don't have a sense of humor .. LOL :D

I was laughing because the joke of other user ...

But now, I am laughing at you instead.

Because you are now worried that this (non) issue will broke other cool multitouch 3d game ... LOL again :D
[Desire General] TieT:
X2 :D

ive had no issues with using multitouch, for me everything works perfect !
[Desire General] schaze:
I did not want to discuss any fixes or reasons for the malfunctions, thats all clear.

I simply wanted to know if it is the same with the Desire as it is with the N1.

If it is a big or small issue is for everyone self to decide. Maybe I only want to play pong with my phone (I don't say I want that), in this case it would be a huge issue. If the only thing you need is a pinch zoom (which is a useless guesture btw) it is no issue at all.

Could you be so kind and test that pong game on the Desire and let us know if it works or not?
[Desire General] gogol:
Because you have asked me, then my answer is NO. I won't test that.

You will have 2 possible answers anyway ...

1. It still have that problem

2. It does not have that problem

I think your concern is no. 1, correct? I guess so ...

Then it is up to you ... But as I said, this is not an issue for daily use, except you really want to play that Pong game :D

PS: From what I read, I almost certain that HTC Desire will have the same issue like N1 for this (same display technology anyway).
[Desire General] at10ti0n:
just tested Pong from Marketplace and unfortunatly i have the problem on my desire :|
[Desire General] schaze:
Thanks a lot for that. Guess I probably will have to wait for the Desire II or whatever the successor will be... :( too bad... :(
[Desire General] at10ti0n:
or get the motorola droid/milestone ;)
[Desire General] vdude_1:
It won't play pong so you won't get it? :confused:
[Desire General] EroThraX:
The algorithms for these touch screens aren't designed for complex multi touch, they are designed to recognise gestures with 2 fingers.
[Desire General] schaze:
Hm... well to be honest I have not made very good experiences with motorola in the past. Event though the droid/milestone phones look quite nice I'd really like to stay with HTC. I do not really need a new phone at the moment, I only wanted to have the Desire :D. But only with real multitouch (which is for me, to track more than 2 fingers accurately)

Hehe, no that would be quite a stupid reason, wouldn't it. :D

I do however want a phone with true multitouch and not just a 'basic guesture supporting' 2 finger recognition. (oh and I probably don't need to add that iPhone is not an option)
[Desire General] boge:
I think.. it's only a software problem..

maybe there is a bug in android 2.1?

Or, someone in motorola already found out about this bug and fixed it for droid.

Anyhow, imho, this can be quite easy to be fixed.
[Desire General] schaze:
Nope, you're wrong. This is a hardware limitation. (see the synaptics specifications from my first post)

For some reason HTC decided to spare a view bucks and build this crappy touchsceen into this wonderfull phone...:mad:

It can maybe improved by software with some smart algorythms, but never be fully fixed.
[Desire General] gogol:
Just curious, what will you do with 3 or 4 fingers recognition?

Or, with something you said about "true" multitouch ...

Do you have some apps in mind that really need 3 or 4 fingers recognition and "true" multitouch (which I dont know what is it)? Other than that "Pong game" obviously.

Please let us know.
[Desire General] Guitarfreak26:
I might sell mine now I know I carnt play pong lmao

Sent from my HTC Desire using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk
[Desire General] zoidinger:
Hi,

I read on a french Android site that the Nexus One will get an update, which might fix the problems with the multitouch.

Here is the site (translated from french):

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zoidi
[Desire General] zoidinger:
I forgot to mention my point :D So, the point is...if the nexus gets an update which adresses this issue, maybe the Desire will get this too sometime ;)

BTW, I did not have any problems on my Desire with Multitouch ;)
[Desire General] lookseehear:
I don't think it's likely to be fixed to be honest. It's a driver problem for the screen as all the OS does is read off the positions that the driver is passing.

I don't mind it too much, I don't play a lot of games, but I do think that this kind of thing is what's holding android back a bit in terms of being a gaming platform.

I just ditched my iPhone 3g for a desire and have no regrets but you do have to give it to Apple that the screen is pretty great in terms of accuracy, response and multi touch.
[Desire General] schaze:
Well as I don't really play a lot games I also don't know a lot of them, but as an example:

I recently saw somewhere on youtube a game called "Cross Fingers" for the iPhone. For this one definitively needs more than 2 fingers for some scenarios.

Also looking at the precision of the display I actually see problems for a lot of even '2 finger' applications like e.g. a gamepad emulator or a mousepad emulation for remote controlling a PC's mouse (hold a button and move the cursor at the same time).

Besides games there could be a lot of useful things than could be done with more than 2 fingers. E.g. there could be a gesture where the screen rotates according to a 3 finger swipe to a side of the device. (only an example)

At the moment there is for sure not a lot of stuff yet that will require more than 2 fingers at the same time, simply because no hardware supports it yet (apparently). But it will come, and then I don't want to have a phone that doesn't support it.

Please don't get me wrong. The Desire is surely a very great phone and the multi-touch thing will probably not be important to 99% of all people buying it.

But I really do want to have a precise multi-touch display that simply detects every point there where the fingers actually are. And I don't want to spend >400Euros on a device that wont give me what I want.
[Desire General] hoss_n2:
htc hd2 has the same screen technology like nexus one but it can track the fingure right i think it is a software issue

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgTxo_Ia27o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOD3c...watch_response

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXXNY...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLFUhW97G-4&feature=related
[Desire General] schaze:
Are you sure the HD2 has the same technology, I though I read in some comment it has another one.

If you look closely in the 3rd video you can see how the 2 circles snap on the same height when fingers are nearing the same level (at ~0:25s)

But you are right, there seems to be no axis flipping at least.
[Desire General] hoss_n2:
yes iam sure hd2 has the same technology look at the crossed lines in desire ,nexus ,and hd2 screen
[Desire General] gogol:
Is this the game?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N060Ti6EZFc

I cant see it needs more than 1 finger :)

Btw, If that's really what you want (more than 2 fingers multitouch), then certainly HTC Desire is not your phone.

I think your phone might be the next Windows Phone 7, because Microsoft put 4 fingers multitouch as requirement.

But then, you will wait at the end of this year ... which:

- You wont have multitasking

- You wont have copy paste

- You wont have sd card slot

- You wont have customization

- You wont have sideloading

- You wont have ...

Or iPhone 4G which I dont know if it has more than 2 fingers multitouch (but certainly it does not have problem like the Pong game). I know, you said that you wont get iPhone, but if you do:

- You wont have FULL/TRUE multitasking

- You wont have sd card slot

- You wont have customization

- You wont have sideloading

- You wont have ...

So yeah, tough luck :D

I also want something like this:

- 4.3" SUPER AMOLED screen

- 1.5 GHz dual processor Snapdragon (or Samsung 1GHz + Hummingbird GPU)

- 1 GB RAM

- 16 GB internal memory

- 720 HD recording

- TV-out (like HTC Incredible)

- Thin like HTC Desire

- Hardware buttons like HTC Desire

- Micro-SD card slot

- FM Radio

- GPS

- ... what not :)

Same like you, I have to wait ............... :)

PS: I still dont get it, why do you really need super persistant, precise multi-touch ... if in real life almost none applications use it. The screen is small enough, I cant imagine doing 5 fingers multitouch in it :)

It could be cool just for showing of ... but I cannot wait several years just to show of.
[Desire General] firedup:
WTF is this thread about? What a load of bollocks.

4 fingers? That's too much even for my girlfriend. Get a grip and buy yourself a feckin pong machine.
[Desire General] orangedavie:
LMAO. Multi touch was putting me off x10 then I thought about it on iPhone, I have only ever used multi touch for pinching pictures so in 2 years of having an iPhone I have never needed multitouch so I guess I can live with not having it on the x10.

If taht guy wants it for pong then , Hey ho
[Desire General] mcgon1979:
LMAFAO!!!! :D
[Desire General] Guitarfreak26:
I wish there was a button to 'like' posts lmao
[Desire General] gogol:
LOL!!!!! *like your post* :D
[Desire General] mongo56:
Got me laughing, thanks.
[Desire General] abc27:
The only time I could see this being a problem would be on touch operated games that completely rely on virtual buttons or dpads/analog sticks.
[Desire General] kirilliz:
the nes and snes emulator for android has a virtual touch control and I think it works with the desire. it does with the n1 so the desire should work, too..
[Desire General] hoss_n2:
you guys are not making any creative disscusion here ,all are poor posts ,no one tell any thing that could help :(
[Desire General] irkan:
whats the problem here? ... HTC never claimed that the desire has real multi-touch capibalty, .. they were very careful to choose the words so people dont rant and complain, ..

here is what i quoted from the spec sheet of the Desire from HTC Website (not any other website that claim that Desire should have multitouch)

no multi-touch here, .. they just said pinch-to-zoom capability, and this works just fine even with the "axis crossing issue"

so why complain about something that isnt even mentioned in the spec sheet, nor it is supposed to be there.

its like saying "OMG why the desire doesnt have a projector built-in? it sux big time"
[Desire General] schaze:
Ok, no idea what your problem is guys. I just asked a question and was sad that my wished new dreamphone lacks a feature I care about! Thats all!

I just want to have it. I can't image doing the 5 fingers on my phone either... :D

I mean its not that this is a feature that is not available for such devices, I sure wouldn't want to wait until they have a Quad Core 5GHz processor in it, or a battery that lasts 20 days. But the better touch panel was just a choice for them I guess.

If you have nothing helpfull to say then please just don't.

I am glad you can live without it, so you won't miss anything when using the Desire.

Regarding the pong playing:

It is not my fault I don't get through the day without a dose of pong. I tried, but I just can't. I neeeeeeeed pong!!!

pong pong pong pong pong pong pong pong pong pong pong pong pong pong pong pong pong pong pong pong pong pong pong pong pong pong

Now you know. My name is Tommi and I have a problem....
[Desire General] schaze:
Ok, I honestly never saw that. I

don't

complain about it (well I was sad that it didn't have it bec I was looking forward for the phone a long time). I just wanted to KNOW if it has it or not.

So no problem. I wanted infos, I got them. Thread can be closed, deleter or burned. I don't care.
[Desire General] gogol:
Hi :)

Don't be mad, we like to joke sometimes ...

Yes, you have every right to ask that question and it is absolutely no problem for wanting that feature.

Oh btw, remember this:

Please come back here and post when you have that device, the one which you can do true multitouch with 4 or more fingers.

Certainly, a lot of users here will appreciate your update when that happen.
[Desire General] schaze:
I am not mad. Just confused by the replies. :)

Ok, I'll let you know.

I know the Desire was just released, but are there already rumors about the next phones to be released by HTC? I know, there is the Legend, the HD mini and the EVO now, but what comes next? :)
[Desire General] planter88:
Well it seems the HTC Incredible doesn't have this Multitouch Issue :eek:

See it for yourself at the end of this Video:

androidcentral.com/video-multitouch-droid-incredible

{Sorry can't post real URL's)

I can't really believe they used another Touch Display for the Incredible.

Maybe it's an software Fix, that will be available for the Desire in the future, too ?:)
[Desire General] irkan:
not clear wither the Incredible have the same display as N1 and Desire (no official words)

but what does the incredible have over Desire? I know he desire have more RAM, ... the incredible has only 512MB RAM (i know its not that much different but still).

it has 8GB internal memory which you cant use to install apps (out of the box)m you only have 512 ROM (just like N1 and Desire).

8MP camera, .. cool ... but lets not fool ourselves here, HTC doesnt make good cameras anyways :p

and the incredible has "Rev A" ?? wtf does that suppose to mean?

EDIT: they said at the end of the video they have different panels (N1 and Incredeble) probably its the ClearPad3000 like the droid, not ClearPad2000 like N1 and Desire. so i wouldnt hold my breath on a software fix for this issue
[Desire General] reallylame:
Indeed, I believe the OP asked a very sensible question and got his answers.

I didn't see the need for all the lame jokes (regardless of my name) and sarcastic remarks.

If it was all done in good fun intent, that is fine then.

peace :rolleyes:
[Desire General] hoss_n2:
so why hd2 doesnot have this issues alo i think it uses the same screen as n1 and desire look at videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgTxo_Ia27o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOD3c...watch_response

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXXNY...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLFUh...eature=related
[Desire General] Mokurex:
Why do you keep making stupid comments? like seriously, we don't need any of your comments. I know you love your desire, but just because you don't use a certain feature, it doesn't make others stupid for wanting it.

You probably love the phone so much you make out with it LOL, don't go so hard on it alright? xD (You of all ppl can take jokes right? :) )
[Desire General] lazarus99:
Actually you can see here http://static.product-reviews.net/wp-content/uploads/incredible-memory.jpg that the Incredible has 6,6 GB internal storage and 0.92 G phone memory. My guess is that apps will be installed on phone memory, so 0,92G for apps is more than enough. On my old Samsung Galaxy the setup was similar, the apps have to be installed on a partition with a file system that supports permissions but they can't format the whole storage like that because otherwise "mass storage" mode won't work on Windows.

sorry for being off-topic
[Desire General] KayK:
a bit OT:

about the RAM, i saw the review video by android central and i'm sure i saw 7xxMB RAM there on the screen although all the spec sheet i saw stated 512MB...
[Desire General] reallylame:
HTC Incredible has true multi-touch apparently:

http://www.androidcentral.com/video-multitouch-droid-incredible

hmm too bad its not coming to Europe.
[Desire General] EroThraX:
It's varied between the phones reviewers have had, a couple had had 748MB ROM but then Android only allowing apps to be installed on 512MB of that.

Still not true multi-touch, it's recognition of the touch points swapped between fingers during the video.
[Desire General] abats:
Check again, the multitouch works fine. They use another panel for the incredible it seems.

With the internal storage and this. Now my brand spanking new Desire feels really inferior :(
[Desire General] EroThraX:
Watch the video, it handles moving past one axis fine, but when he tries the other the colours swap as it suddenly thinks the position of the touch points has changed.
[Desire General] abats:
that could be because he moveable his fingers close together, not very odd that you can confuse a test application with such behavior other then that this panel is obviously better.

Sent from my HTC Desire using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk
[Desire General] kokoon:
wow, the responses in this thread are truly infantile... you guys really can't accept the fact that the phone you own/love can't do something?

i have a HTC Hero now and i'm looking for my next android phone. desire seems the best choice, but - like the OP - i'm really disappointed by the fact that HTC didn't put a true multitouch component in it's flagship "superphone". i'm also starting to play a bit with the SDK, it's very nice and i have some ideas for some fresh apps... but i can't use true multitouch!

like the OP, i'm not trying to make you guys feel bad about your beloved HTC desire/nexus, i can totally understand that you have no need for any multitouch operations beyond pinch-to-zoom. but i want more and obviously, i won't be getting it with the HTC Desire.

just save your useless words commenting on my/our need for 10 finger tracking - i'm not commenting on your need for only 2 either.

so, the question - is there an android phone (coming out?) in HTC Desire like form-factor that has a true multitouch screen?
[Desire General] OnlinePredator:
Can someone please let me know some apps where this is present. I have downloaded many games, apps etc and never had any troubles at all. Coming to think of it not that many apps use multitouch that I have used anyway.
[Desire General] at10ti0n:
Try to play Pong in Two Players ;) and you'll see the issue there.
[Desire General] OnlinePredator:
Argh, I really wanted to play two player pong on my tiny screen....damn..... ;-)
[HD2 General] dj-jan:
Guys,

My HD2 is very slow after a restart or a soft reset. This is very annoying. I have installed a task manager and the CPU Usage says that Idle process is between 90-98% or something. Further nothing strange.

I have to use the HD2 at least 15 minutes before he gets to his normal speed. Now he is at normal speed and this says the task manager: (when the HD2 is slow the task manager is almost the same)

In the processes this are the most using memory processes:

gwes.exe 29066 KB

device.exe 792 KB

cprog.exe 7197 KB

manila.exe 5722 kb

services.exe 4782 KB

filesys.exe 4202 KB

shell32.exe 3094 KB

Manila version:

2.5.19211619.0

ROM version:

1.66.404.1 (76641) NLD

Radio version:

2.06.51.07

Thanks for your support.
[HD2 General] dj-jan:
Nobody?????
[HD2 General] Savage-wp:
Hi DJ-jan. Have you installed any apps to your phone. Some apps, or combination of apps can cause problems.

Have you done any modding to the phone. Was the phone like this when you first start using it. If it was fine at the beginning, I'll guess it is something that has been installed.

Try removing some programs, one at a time to see if it fixes the problem.

If all else fails try and hard reset the device.
[HD2 General] dj-jan:
Thanks for your awnser but I dont know anymore haha! The apps i have downloaded i installed on my SD card.
[HD2 General] Archer:
Take the SD card out and restart it. If it's the same then you probably need a hard reset. If it's better then it's either software on the card that's causing the issue, or it's the card itself. It may just be a slow card, or it may be knackered. Do you have a different card you could copy everything onto and try that, just to rule it out?
[HD2 General] dj-jan:
My program files say:

RSS Hub

CoPilot

GoogleMaps

GPRSEnablerDisabler

Lookout Mobile Security

Spelletjes (games)

Trein (train, dutch app from Marketplace)

Verbindingen (links)

Widgets

Windows Media Player
[HD2 General] dj-jan:
Mmm, i tried this. The HD2 seems to be a little bit faster without the SD card but is far from the original speed.

I could do a hard reset, but then ill loose all my institutions. Is there a program or something where i can export all this? I know MyPhone, but thats only for SMS, contacts and stuff...
[HD2 General] jamieeeee:
wat is lookout mobile security dan? is dat een anti virus iets ofzo? kan zijn dat die elke keer bij het opstarten alles gaat scannen...
[HD2 General] Archer:
I personally use MyPhone and just reinstall everything again, but that's just me. I do know that there are quite a few popular backup solutions out there, but someone else will have to advise you on them as I know nothing about them.

I can advise you on how to back up your settings for Co0kie's Home Tab though ;) lol
[HD2 General] dj-jan:
Haha I know, i have installed that Home tab and i saw the export option, very good!
[HD2 General] dj-jan:
Nee dat doet hij niet, is inderdaad een virusscanner.
[HD2 General] dj-jan:
Cant find a backup program wich also backups programmes/apps and stuff. Someone can help me?
[HD2 General] jamieeeee:
sbp backup can do that but backing up applications and restoring them isnt recommended when changing roms.. i experienced that myself.

i just use myphone to back up everything and reinstalling the apps isnt much work, most custom roms have built in installers where you can just put ur .cabs in 1 dir and its automaticly installed :)

good luck!
[HD2 General] dj-jan:
Hmm ok. But i just use the original ROM. Going to fix it, thanks!
[HD2 General] Cursor_:
HD2 Boot up

I understand that boot up times may increase with additional installation of apps. However, is it possible to edit the boot up file or registry like in a PC? I would love to be rid of the T-mobile Animation & Windows Logo and go right to Sense UI. My phone works great even with all the apps. I just want to shorten the boot up time if possible. Any info on this would be greatly appreciated. :)
[HD2 General] unlocksmith:
Just use PIM Backup for sms contacts etc.. my htc is a little slow too but it slwos down after i reinstall sms and contacts.. weird

something is wrong. my kaiser wasnt this slow
[HD2 General] caothanhLTC:
you format LEO or delete some file in windows\Startup and reboot.
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] twmshwn:
New Response From [ Pete (UK - Ireland Support (Tech)) ]

Hi Hywel, thanks for your email.

I understand this may be frustrating, but the 16th was never the release date. there were some 'leaks' on the internet, but those were incorrect, It was never planned for today at all.

The update will be available for everyone from the end of the month as planned. it will be phased out over a week or so to spread out the download demand, but it was certainly never going to appear today.

Best regards,

Pete W

HTC

Customer Information

CountryUnited Kingdom

Inquiry Information

Inquiry TypeTechnical Support

Inquiry Description

Hi Where is the hero 2.1 upgrade for me to download?? It’s the 16th of April the day the upgrade is scheduled for release. If it’s not released today then when? If this is so then I can’t believe this delay as its been promised again and again !!!!!

Issue Date & Time

2010/04/16 09:54