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[Desire General] alexbush:
I switched 2 weeks ago (from an oldish WinMo phone) and it was dead easy. Android with htc sense on top has some real parallels to WinMo with add-ons like SPB shell etc - except it's blindingly faster. Barely opened the user manual.

A few confusions over how the phone handles different contacts and phone lists but worked those out. Really great keyboard that does a fine job of correcting for 'big thumb syndrome'. Fabulous screen and so easy to add and remove apps directly onto the phone. Intelligent handling of WiFi when it's in range and 3G when it's not. Web browser is a dream - have had to train myself to use it rather than automatically going to a laptop given past experience with WinMo.

Seven home screens and I only use 5 'cos everything is so easily accesible from the built-in functions. One of those five only has family photos on it and one has the pretty but rather silly weather application (one area where I still use Windows - I look out of them).

Don't really feel like adding a lot of apps 'cos it does most things. Have added and paid for Nitrodesk Touchdown to get reliable sync with Exchange Server at work (email, contacts, calendar, tasks but no notes). Also added a note taker app for free (Note Everything) and Bubble (because my childish sense of humour enjoys seeing a £400 spirit level in action). Some concern that the memory may get filled up because you can't (yet) install apps to the SD card.

A few niggles but none major

- Exchange Active Sync (the native one) doesn't work with my office server, hence the Touchdown app

- Could do with an improved ability to put shortcuts to groups of contacts on the home screen

- HTC Sync (equivalent to Activesync) seems problematic. However, I suspect I won't be connecting by cable much anymore

- It's all a teensy bit too tied to Google (inevitably!). I am not a gmail fan and don't really want to sync outlook to gmail then down to the phone but am still having to do that for contacts since Touchdown contacts are not properly recognised

To date I would say 9.9/10 and when a few wrinkles get ironed out 9.95!
[Desire General] Cpt_Chaos:
Hi Alex Bush,

thanks a million for the feedback. it makes my decision much easier.

Just how does the sync work with Outlook? Does it work, or is it difficult? I rely on Outlook for work so it is a must. I have all of my contacts, calendar dates in there,plus I use it both for my work & private accounts.

I hope it isn't a problem because that would be the killer for switching over.
[Desire General] rdy2go:
I did it! after 8 years of windows mobile and pocket pc. Windows phone 7 series presentations made me betray the abandoned win mo and switch to Android.

support for Exchange and office viewers are better than in win mo.

performance and quality of applications are excellent.

one warning:

Be careful to choose the right device. Exchange calendar sync is not there by default!

Sent from my HTC Desire using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk
[Desire General] Cpt_Chaos:
Thx Rdy2go

What can you tell me about syncing the HTC Desire with Outlook (most importantly calendar,, contacts). I dont use Exchange because I work for a small company and I retrieve my email through Outlook via Pop3. However, I rely heavily on Outlook and Office for my work.
[Desire General] rdy2go:
I sync using Outlook Anywhere service from Exchange servers not the desktop.

so I don't really know the answer...

Sent from my HTC Desire using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk
[Desire General] crypta:
After all I read in forums, reviews, saw on youtube and added actually newspages to my information range.

I am sadly have to say, that I will use my HD some month longer. It was a hard decission, but consider the following:

the desire is one of the first "real" android designs... together with the "test flagship" N1.

Samsung anounced super-amoled displays in upcomming smartphone, which compensating the "sun light vulnability" of amoled. snapdragon dual-core was anounced in januar and will be produced maybe in late summer. but still without considering snapdragon development: apple brings the 4g out ...round about july... I hate apple.. but what makes it so delicious is, that other manufacturers will try "to beat it down". this summer will be a king of the hill in the smartphonesector...everyone wants to be there... and everyone has the technology to do so.

android is rising to consumer market... 2.2 rumored.

the waiting will be pretty hard... but hell... I am curious what will be out in late summer.

a "desire" with super amoled is what I am waiting for... and maybe bigger ROM.

till then, I'll stay with my few, but quality build appz for winmo. the ones I will miss on android as long as everyone thinks, the reason for android ist because of the free appz.

as long as this doesn't change... there won't be many highquality appz for android.

oh and btw: I hate HTC sense too.. nearly the same amount as apple. wheres the point if I have on android the same "mobileshell" as on winmo?

sad thing these uniformations. (yeayeah, I know, I can change it)
[Desire General] Cpt_Chaos:
Thanks everyone,

I guess I will be ordering my new Desire in 2 weeks. I guess it will be time to take the plunge and jump the WinMo ship.
[Desire General] Fallen Spartan:
Ordering mine soon.....just searching for the best deals at min :confused:
[Desire General] Cpt_Chaos:
Hi Fallen Spartan,

I know what you mean. Ordering a new phone can be worse than trying to figure out what kind of car you want.

I think for me its been that problem with making the jump to Android. However, when I think back to the old days when I was using Palm OS, I thought the same when I switched to WinMo. So I suppose that in a little while, I will be saying the same when looking back.

Now I just have to be patient for 2 more weeks and then I can renew my contract and order my new Desire. :)
[Desire General] ascot17:
I have come from an Omnia i900 to the Desire. Great move!

HTC Synch synchs with Outlook just like Windows Mobile Device Centre (or ActiveSynch).

You will not regret the switch and there are currently some great deals on the Desire!
[Desire General] ohyeahar:
Not sure about the "categories" field. I'm going to guess the answer is no. I don't see anywhere in the Desire's calendar application that mentions this field.

By "notes", I suppose you're referring to the "description" field. Then yes, this part syncs just fine.
[Desire General] Cpt_Chaos:
I just wanted to say thanks for all of your support and experiences in answering a newbies questions.

Now I am going to take the plunge. I just ordered me a Desire as part of renewing my contract. I guess now, I am going to take the Droid plunge and kiss WinMo goodbye.

It is a real leap for me because I was always a Palm loyalist and now I am abandoning WinMo and Palm all at once. It must be a brave new world.

I will let you all know what my experiences are later after the drooling time is over.
[Desire General] joe2316:
I'm still using Outlook and sending the calendar automatically to Google via calendar sync. Contacts via Go Contact Sync. Shame Notes don't sync

Sent from my HTC Desire using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk
[Desire General] CorruptedSanity:
great thread!
[Desire General] guy@penwith.ac.uk:
I've had WinMo phones since they came out [SPV, SPV200, C500, M500, TyTyn, TyTnII, Touch HD. My girlfriend recently got a Tattoo and it has been a revelation as to how good a converged device can be. I couldn't wait for the contract to be up on my Touch HD...

I got a Desire as a free upgrade and it's absolutely brilliant. The Android platform is so much better WinMo in every way, design, speed, smoothness. Everything just works - instantly. Within 2 minutes of taking it out of the box, I entered my Exchange server credentials and had all my contacts, calendar and emails synced.

The beta SatNav from Google is also pretty impressive, [especially as it's free] and the Android market is filled with free or really cheap apps and utilities.

I don't think you'll be dissapointed!
[Desire General] dgattenb:
I've been with WinMo for years ... and this is the first time I have been to andriod I have been waiting for a powerful phone like the desire....

However ...my fingers are " tuned" into hitting the screen.. cant do that on the desire.... good phone so far .. a bit odd .. just have to get used to it
[Desire General] Arranmc182:
I am using a HTC Hero its nice the OS is tops and there are a lot of free apps that are good also having a rooted device + Android is nice as apps 2 SD is epic. I have only owned 1 Android device and I'm hooked to it.

Sent from my aHero using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk
[Desire General] CorruptedSanity:
Excited to hear such a positive review of migrating from winmo to android as I am about to do the same.

Don't wanna digress but I have a tweak on my current htc hd and past htc tytn ii that made the screen so sentivite a feather hovering above it would press a button.
[Desire General] brummiesteven:
I'd just like to add that there are a lot of complaints about the phone's inability to sync to outlook properly.

IMO, People need to change, If you use an Exchange server at work or whatever then fair enough but using outlook? Why? It seems to me people just use it because it was used by Win MO and then STILL want to use it on android.

This means you need to use outlook, htc sync, connect your phone to your pc and sync all the time.

Android is a cloud os!

Use google mail = instant push email.

Use google mail = SMS Backup

Use google docs and the gdoc app = docs with collaboration, notes and task apps with sync.

Use google calendar

Use google contacts

And the biggest pro?

Instant Sync, whenever there is a change server side. No need to hit the refresh button, no need to get out the USB cable and sync with the PC.
[Desire General] CorruptedSanity:
Would u or somebody elaborate on the above please. I am really interested.

Thanks
[Desire General] brummiesteven:
How do you mean?
[Desire General] foxmeister:
It's about choice!

Not everyone wants to stick everything on the cloud for Google to data mine.

Personally, I do get the Google ecosystem, and I have converted to it (I use Google Apps for Domains), but I do understand why others may not want to.

Regards,

Dave
[Desire General] brummiesteven:
Don't get me wrong I understand the points others make for sticking with outlook.

I just feel that some feel they have to stick with outlook and pc based syncing purely because they have done it for so long on winmo and don't want to do something new.
[Desire General] CorruptedSanity:
U have given a briefing. Could u talk a little more about those features.

I'm a winmo user from 5 years
[Desire General] dlci:
It doesn't sound like a cloud OS, but as Google (r) OS to me. Cloud OS would at least give you a choice IMHO.

Seriously, each day I find Android more and more closed and evil...damn Microsoft was supposed to be the Bad one, not the best alternative in terms of privacy and choice.

My 0.02: if you are WM user that uses the phone at work & for private purposes - forget Android. If you're using your phone for multimedia - forget Android. If you like to have a choice - forget Android.

Else go for it, but know in advance what you're getting into. Not everything that's shiny is made from gold.
[Desire General] brummiesteven:
That really isn't true.

Multimedia? Why forget android

Choice? Android is full to the top with it compared to other systems.
[Desire General] ohyeahar:
Just wanted to jump into the discussion here!

I've been a WM user for a while and I'd be among the first to jump to defend the OS.

But the switch to Android has been enlightening. I took out my Touch Pro2 last night to reminisc and the OS just felt old and broken.

Here's the real deal with Android. If you don't like using Google applications (ie, Gmail, Google Calendar, Google Docs, Google Contacts, etc), then Android is definitely not for you. It's a Google OS so it's designed to be tied to their products.

I agree with dlci that Android is not entirely ready for business users as well despite the ability to sync with Exchange. There's no native notes and tasks application, so those can't be synced to your Exchange. Plus, there are various other Exchange issues that users have been experiencing around these forums.

But just like brummiesteven, I don't agree with dlci insinuating that multimedia is bad on Android. Where did you get that idea?

Anyway, here's the #1 reason for switching to Android (for me at least!). RAM management and system stability. Anyone who is a hardcore WM user(myself included) is obsessed with task managers, properly closing applications, and using RAM cleaners. I'm happy to say that with Android, this is a non-issue. There's not a single moment where I think to myself:

"Hmm, I better check how much RAM is being used and close some tasks or otherwise, I might freeze up later"

or

"Hmm, I should do a soft reset just for the heck of it so that I can start off with a fresh and snappy OS for the day."

or

"Dammit, screen is not responding. No worries, I'll just wait 10sec or so and it'll wake up...hopefully..."
[Desire General] OnlinePredator:
Another opinion from a WM user convert. I was using touch HD for 1 year. Recently purchased a Desire and havn't looked back (mostly).

putting hardware aside, I always wanted a nice looking interface which just worked. I have always despised showing my phone off to others (WM) and when having to change a settings, i would get confused trying to find it, the whole os to me was confusing and complex. So many ways to do things, but each way was stupid. For example give your WM phone to someone who is not familiar with it, and ask them to change the theme......Impossible! Who would think it would be under "Today". This is just an example.

I do not use google services, but i am still far happier with android than WM. Android is not simply for people using google services, this is BS. I use hotmail, msn, etc and have had no troubles at all using these in android. The whole interface is designed for touch, and is far more easily used, which equates to happy users.

Not sure why dlci said that, as he basically said for work, play, media or choice don't use Android. But to me Android is MADE to do the above. I sync to my exchange server, create different "Scenes" for when I'm at work, or at home etc, I can download rss feeds, check news through widgets, download a zillion apps which windows never had, play good games which windows dosn't have, watch movies, listen to music, sync facebook, get better contact/facebook integration, and after doing all that I can be happy, because it was so easy to do and looked so good while doing it.

Test it on your wm device first though, see what it can do!

But really if you are happy with WM then stick with it. If you are looking for something easier to use, with the ability for more customisation (widgets, homescreens, wallpapers, shortcuts etc etc) then go Android.
[Desire General] brummiesteven:
If you use GoogleMail you can get your email instantly to your phone, it's just setup to work like that. If you use another provider, simply forward those emails to your googlemail account and you'll get instant push email.

Use google calendar and it will automatically sync and update both ways, edits on pc get shown on phone, edits on phone get shown on pc. You can import calenders into google calender from other sources (like outlook) quite easily.

Google docs is like an online version of Microsoft office with Collaboration tools. If you download the free GDocs app you can view, edit and create google docs. You can also set who to share them with. Once you've shared it with a person they can view the document or (if you permit them to) edit it. If you give them editing rights it will be simultaneous eg, as soon as they hit save your document will be updated and vice versa.

There are task and notes apps that sync with google docs. 3Banana is a good free one.

Google contacts is I think self explanitary? All contacts on your phone become google contacts at contacts.google.com edit on either pc or phone.

There is also an app called SMS Backup that will backup your SMSs to Gmail.
[Desire General] Cpt_Chaos:
So I just wanted to say thanks again to all of you out there who helped me make up my mind. I finally did it. I ordered me a new HTC Desire and am in the last days of WinMo. I cant wait since I played with it in the shop yesterday, I have to say WOW!!!!!!!

For me I am really excited and a little bit scared because since I have had a smartphone, I always was brand loyal to Palm and then later WinMo and now I am leaving both.

I will keep you all posted as to what I think about the switch and I am sure I will have a lot of questions to you all out there about the Desire and Android since I will be new to both.

Thanks for all your help.
[Desire General] DORMIU:
Hey buddy good to find you here! Got my desire yesterday and am amazed at how complicated and Stressful my life was back when I had the HD2 (WinMo).

For the original poster: go for the Desire and Android without second thoughts! You won't regret it.
[Desire General] -A-P-M-:
Desire is my first android phone. Before that I had only WinMo and Symbian (Nokia). Android feels great, much better than any phone I had before. Getting aplications is very easy, everything works great and I like it a lot. I will stay with Android.
[Desire General] Cpt_Chaos:
Hi -A-P-M-

Thanks for your opinion. I am always happy to hear stories like yours and that it wasnt difficult to change over. I was always worried about that. I remember the nightmares I had for a week or so when I switched from Palm OS to WinMo.

But when I played with the Desire for a few minutes at the store, it felt intuitively easy to navigate.

I am really looking forward to the doorbell ringing next week and they deliver my Desire. :D
[Desire General] khaytsus:
Is this the GDocs by Wildfire? I see a lot of negative feedback on that one, just making sure..
[Windows Phone 7 Software Development] TangerineTractor:
Greetings all

I'm an XDA veteran, and have had an idea for an application I'd like to develop. I have programming skills, mainly in VB6.

So my question is, what application/language is best/simplest for developing my app on WIndows Mobile? The main criteria I have is that I want to be able to read data from and write data to a remote windows based pc - I'm assuming that I'm going to do that via wifi or bluetooth networking.

I'm "between jobs" at the moment, so looking for a development platform that won't cost me much, if anything. I intend to make my application initially as free/donateware - it's something I need, but may be useful to others, but I don't want the hassle of trying to make it secure, serial numbers etc, for it to end up cracked on a warez site!

So what's the best development tool for PC/Windows Mobile development?

Thanks in advance
[Windows Phone 7 Software Development] X-BLADE™:
Are you looking to develop for Window Phone 7 or Windows Mobile 6.x?

This section is for WP7 development only, if you are looking for the latter, here is the right section http://xdaforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=523

You can program in VB/C++/C# for WM 6.x using Visual studio, I'm unaware of other tools. For WP7, it is strictly C# with Silverlight (for applications) using Visual studio 2010 (You can get the express version free)

Here is a good start http://developer.windowsphone.com/
[Windows Phone 7 Software Development] TangerineTractor:
WM6 Really - Ill post in the other forum, sorry!
[HD2 General] pridefc:
Good morning

I've installed Swype 3.9.10.10.5032 and when I go into settings, input and select swype instead of touch input it won't stay selected. Is there a way round this as I just can't get Swype to work?

rom version: 1.66.405.2 (76641)WWE (HTC Official)

OS: 5.2.21869

Manila: 2.5.19211619.0

Network: Vodafone UK (phone is not specific to network operator)

Will appreciate any advice/help

Regards
[HD2 General] Kalavere:
Have you selected it from the keyboard screen? I have both Swype and SlideIT installed and I just choose between which one I want to use via the keyboard button when texting/e-mailing/web browsing. And it stays selected, give it a go.

If not, try to uninstal and reinstall?
[HD2 General] osrix:
try this it is working for me, just select in the program and it should be good for you...:)
[HD2 General] pridefc:
Ah never noticed the upwards facing arrow before to select different keyboards (stupid me). Once I select swype it says "Open of English US failed!". Once i click on okay the phone goes really slow and the swype logo is in the bottom but no keyboard is shown. If I press on the swype logo nothing appears. Any suggestions on how to load the US keyboard or preferably the UK one?
[HD2 General] Kalavere:
That happened when I deleted Swype from my Energy ROM, I am guessing it is displaying it because it doesn't have the language pack installed.

Uninstall and reinstall see if it helps.
[HD2 General] pridefc:
I uninstalled and reinstalled and still getting the same issue. Any thoughts? I really appreciate the help
[HD2 General] Kalavere:
Do you get an error when you soft reset? I had an issue about a language pack pop up before WM had even loaded when I managed to mangle my copy of Swype.
[HD2 General] pridefc:
yeah still getting the error when I soft reset. I'm assuming that a hard reset is in order then?
[HD2 General] Kalavere:
It shouldn't be, as you're on an offcial ROM, if it was cooked in as mine was that would be the way to go. You should be able to uninstall and you're good to go. But I suppose if you can't seem to get rid of it it might be the only suggestion I have. :(

However don't just take my word for it, I am sure someone else must be able to help you.

I would however suggest giving Dasur SlideIT a go, you can try the demo or buy the full version for $8/£5. http://www.dasur.co.il/Product/SlideIT/WindowsMobile/download.php Imo it's a much better keyboard, takes a bit if getting used to but I love it now. :D
[HD2 General] pridefc:
well I've been putting off trying new roms because I needed to backup, so I think I will backup and try a cooked rom and see if I can get swype to work and will also try SlideIT
[HD2 General] Kalavere:
If you're gonna hardreset you might as well flash a custom ROM while you're at it for sure. :p
[HD2 General] rexboy:
If youre using swype from a cooked rom i would of thought it would run ok but Swype as good as it is does have probs (v2.0, 3.9 that is). Its a common prob in regards to the us dictionary error and functions not running properly like pressing a key for the alternate character not working.

I use slideIT and swype from the Omnia, works much better, faster, sure they keys are a bit smaller but the press for alternate character always works etc.
[Droid Eris General] aznjosh:
i did a search and came up with nothing so ill ask you guys. is there a way to install and run apps off the sd card for a rooted droid eris?
[Droid Eris General] Whitepaint:
How many apps do you have installed? The only way you would need apps2sd on an Eris would be if you had a seriously large amount of apps. Theres alot of apps space on the phone...