[General Topics] eaglesteve:
These sentences reveal a lot about you and your ability to think objectively. You are too much influenced by your negative emotion towards Steve Jobs obviously.

I too don't agree with everything Steve Jobs does. I don't agree with him not providing multitasking all along. I didn't agree with him trying to make jailbreakers feel like criminals. I don't agree with his repeated attempts to block jailbreaking or to make it more and more difficult. I don't agree with his non-replaceable battery design. I hated that the 3GS had such low screen resolution. But I give him credit where credit is due, and he has done many things right.

He didn't invent music on the go - Sony did with its walkman, but he did redefine it with iPod. Similarly with phone. However, I don't agree that he will by default win over Android. On the contrary, I think Android is going to put up a good fight and win market share very rapidly. Not a small portion of the users posting on iPhone forums are saying that they're disappointed with the smaller screen size in iPhone HD, and that they're going to seriously consider a larger screen Android phone like the EVO (HTC Supersonic). I'm just one of such people, who had been making many posts telling people that I'm now evaluating and considering Supersonic. Example here post 20,21 and 35 of this forum. I would not for one moment agree with you that it the market will give the win to Apple by default. It will be a fierce batter, and you know what? I like it that way! Without Android, the fourth generation iPhone will still be having the crappy low resolution screen and low MP camera! And there would not have been a front facing camera for video conferencing or flash for the camera!

I would never disagree that there is more freedom with Android. Being open and all that means every hardware vendor has a chance to participate. You can modify the OS for your hardware and put in your own customization to differentiate from the competitors. Hobbyists who likes to tinker with the OS, cook ROM can have lots of funs.

However, you're being extremely one sided and have never tried to also look at the flip side of being so open. That's the aspect that Mr vangrieg was trying to point out in post #131 which I agreed in my post #133.. Looking at end user's perspective is where I'm coming from. Not from the hardware vendor, software vendor, or hobbyist's perspective. End user wants good experience. They don't need three hundred thousand designers all having a say in the OS, market place, and introducing all ways of coding an applications, with all kinds of inconsistent design. (Already we see at least three cut and paste methods, for example, and more would sure to follows from different OEM who do not like the standard methods). Openness and freedom to modify the OS would also mean it is difficult to upgrade to newer firmware, which is why most users are still not able to get on to 2.1 due to this fragmentation. A mere 27% of users are using 2.1 according to google's report.

By saying that openness is all good, you're either not telling the truth or unaware of the whole truth.

Not that I'm for risque apps, but if you say it is impossible to run them on a jailbroken iPhone (or for that matter even non-jailbroken one), then you've not read this thread properly yet. Playboy has an application that's still in the App Store. Some of the sexy applications thrown out by Apple are now simply being distributed through Cydia. Also don't forget the web browser.:cool:

Good on Android. It did the right thing, and Apple didn't. And I'm for Android in this regards in the past, and I'm for jailbreaking to bring in multitasking. No stupid yessing on my part to Steve Jobs for leaving it out for so long, you can be assured.

How so? You need to support your statement, just like you expect me to support my statement.

I think it has inferior memory handling for these reasons:

a.It has unrealistically low amount of memory for installing applications.

b. Although you could root it and install apps2sd. This is not my opinion. It carries so much weight that it is in the xda wiki, and the heading is "Why ?Apps2SD is such a BAD IDEA". I have taken the liberty to copy the entire section and paste it here:

I agree wholeheartedly all along. You would have known if you read my post.

The end users don't care about this. They only care about the end experience using the device.

The end users don't care about this. They only care about the end experience using the device.

The end users don't care about this. They only care about the end experience using the device.

It's not just lockscreen. Do your research.

So long as you realise that we're talking about root here. But even without root, you can already use it as a mass storage, not with USB but via wifi.

Edit: I must correct a wrong information. The correct information is you DO NOT need jailbreak in order to use iPhone as a USB mass storage. There are many methods for achieving this which is too long to elaborate. I will do it on another post. For now, just look here.

This is probably a topic on it's own deserving more discussion. Let's do that in another post.

I'm sure RIM is a popular enterprise phone, but that's outside our scope of discussion.

When did I laugh at Android? I know what you say here is true and that's why not just myself but I now many others are now exploring Android. That's why I have this thread to pick everyone's input as objectively as we can, to do as much homework as we can, to do as much research and discussion as we can before taking the final decision. As long as I feel that I have considered all factors known to me, I'll be happy with the choice. If I had over or under estimated the attractiveness of either platform, hopefully discussion here will reveal the real picture.

Please tell me which points posted so far are inaccurate or incomplete in consideration.

I'm prepared to see both sides of the story.

Are you?