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[HD2 General] Raadius:
The reason why I runs much faster than a G1 or iPhone is because it has a 1GHz Snapdragon processor, the fastest processor right now for a mass production cell phone in the US. The iPhone 2G and 3G only run at 412MHz, and the G1 at 528MHz.

Spec vs. Spec, the HD2 blows the iPhone (and G1) out the water, everything is bigger but doesn't always mean it's better. As a previous iPhone user (still have it), I love everything about my HD2 features, it just does things my iPhone can not do and it's jailbroken and heavily modded too.

So is it that bad? No, it's not but I do believe the product was rushed. I've had lots of problems with mine, including the data connection issue. If you read some older post, some of the people from Europe are having issues still that HTC has not care to look into (phone launched last year).

I think people (those who reply so far) and others are quick to turn a blind eye or ignore when people are expressing problems. If your phone is problem free, congratulations, you are very lucky (and we envy you), but to say "THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THIS DEVICE!" is blantant lie. There are plenty of threads with info, pics and video showing off the fustration members are going through. There are people even make .cab to fix issues that should have never made it to a production phone (IE: Text Message timestap/server time)

Also just because other people haven't step forward or posted on a forum does not mean the phone is working perfectly, you guys gotta realize not everybody has access to the internet or know how to search, register or reply on forums with issues. I have a couple of friends who have the HD2, experincing problems and are far from computer savvy. I ask them if they've heard of 'xda' or 'pocketnow' and it's just blank stares, lol. So like most people do in this case is, call T-mobile. At least T-mobile is NOW finally understanding the issues because a CSR told me today they've been getting numerous complaints and T-mobile is looking into the issue (take it for what its worth).
[HD2 General] FiyaFleye:
Look, to be honest, I also think a lot of complaints come from experienced users who are used to the state of the art Flashed ROMs, therefore, any factory ROM is below their standards...I personally hated it because I'm in love with WinMo 6.5.x...doesn't make it horrible, just my preference...though I never "complained" lol...
[HD2 General] cscoot03:
There are many who will enjoy the HD2 those who have no need to make a phone call usinf wi/fi, those who do not mind the small battery & those who can remove core issues from the micro, it is a very nice phone but from my experience HTC pulled a fast one & I have no use for the HD2:(
[HD2 General] zarathustrax:
I don't think it was rushed. The problems are no different than any other WinMo device has had in the past. But most people who are WinMo users understand this and come to this forum and together have come up with solutions. A lot of the problems have the same solutions they did on previous devices, so people who know WinMo know how to work around these.

You have to understand that WinMo was not originally designed to be a phone.... it was and is a portable stand-alone version of a windows OS... a full fledged operating system. It has had phone functionality added to it over the years. It is much more versatile and doesn't have the limits that other mobile OS's(ones that were built just to be phones) have. It is a portable computer with phone functionality. The other phone OS's are phones with some portable computing functionality.

T-Mobile is blatantly advertising this powerful, portable computer as a "media phone" and a lot of people who are not technical enough for a device this powerful are getting it expecting it to work like a media device that was designed to be an easy to use phone. That's why I can't completely blame all these newbies... they were thinking they were getting a media phone, but end up with something that's way beyond there level of technical experience. Hopefully T-Mobile will realize this once they get enough complaints and returns and maybe they will stop advertising it as such. But it will take them a while because they are making a killing off of them. But actually, I think the phone may be refined and user friendly enough for most users to get by with it good enough that they are happy with it. Otherwise, T-Mobile would be getting much more returns and complaints than I think they're getting and they would be cutting back on the advertising already. I'm sure most people aren't using the device to it's potential, but it seems most people are happy enough with it to keep and use it. The Sense UI does a pretty decent job at making the interface "phone-like" and user friendly, even though it does have some problems. Personally, I could do without the Sense UI, but that's a whole other post.;):p
[HD2 General] cscoot03:
@ zarathustrax & @ Raadius: I may not be as savvy as most PC players yet I follow pocketsmart, wmpoweruser, & quite a few more & I realize how short of a time before TMO itself will unlock the HD2 & yes quite a few other ways to do the same but both your threads seem to show you have good reception with no need for UMA (wi/fi ). Now if as I'm learning, is there a way to enable wi/fi to the HD2, since my reception with TMO is terrible & regardless how long I've been following the Leo, I am sad to say I have to return the HD2 unless someone can show me a way to improve my reception. It is sad to say the only way I can find wi/fi is with a smaller screen & kb which is no use to me.

I will go to android if the snapdragon, battery, screen & reception are present.

I've grown through Palm OS into Windows, Android is to me freeware on my Windows OS PC. So again unless noted, I am sad to release my HD2.
[HD2 General] brownhornet:
I only had the phone for a day and got the sleep of death 4 times having to reset it...and that was without even installing anything on it. On top of that it wouldnt hold 3G and kept flipping between 3G and edge killing the battery off ridiculously fast.
[HD2 General] brownhornet:
And this is one of the many reasons I switched to Android from winmo. I know people dont mind tweaking their phones and whatnot here.. but some of these things people SHOULD NOT have to do when purchasing a $500 phone. There is no reason winmo phones should STILL be having the sleep of death as long as the 6th version of winmo has been out. There is NO reason they shouldnt have implemented the timestamp/date fix into this thing BEFORE shipping it. There is NO reason the phone should be freezing on the FIRST DAY right out of the box.

I was once a major winmo fan and was pretty anti everything except it. But once I tried Android I realized that having to do all of these tweaks and flashes shouldnt be necessary just to get basic functionality.
[HD2 General] KidTech:
Care too share your mods? and registry tweaks?
[HD2 General] skillzrsg:
Just got an HD2, I switched from an IPHONE, I love the device. My only suggestion for those who knock it... figure out what you don't like and try to customize it or tweak it till your happy. Its a Windows device and is 10 times more versatile than an iphone. Also, the ROMS that are available out there are phenominal. Start off with one that is minimal and build away.... I recommend the MIRI ROM with cookies mod.....beautiful!!!

peace...
[HD2 General] Darnell_Chat_TN:
I don't see how anyone could claim the T-Mobile US HD2 was "rushed" when it took what seems to be forever for the device to even reach the USA to begin with. And the T-Mobile US version has 1024 NAND memory.

All I can say is that I'm happy.

But I don't think you "really" know till like 6 months out when everyone has used a device for a LONG TIME and then we all can say how great or not great it really is. Of course we'll all see something else that catches our eye by then, but longer term use tells an even truer tale. So far though, almost 30 days in and I'm happy.

And yes, custom ROMs make a good device even better.
[HD2 General] Funkyrocemz:
im a total noob when it comes to win mo phones.... never complained, but i've never been one to really complain..

i just dont like the constant 3G to E switching, but thats a tmobile and location issue.. not an HD2 issue..

I LOVE my HD2!
[HD2 General] Darnell_Chat_TN:
I don't know why, but it seems since I moved to EnergyROM, that my device stays on 3G more often.
[HD2 General] Raadius:
Couldn't have said it any better.

Everybody keeps telling me to mod or hack my HD2 and calling me a noob or not tech savvy since I'm bringing up issues with my stock US HD2. I'm faaaar from a noob, I know a lot about cell phones, as I previous stated I've jailbroke / modifying my own iPhone. My iPhone is a beast running on T-mobile, and the customization I have will make some of you WinMo owners :eek: but I'm on to the next one, wanted to tackle WinMo and the HD2, but it just amazes me that some of the basic usable features are... well, not really usable, at least for me.

I don't hate the phone, I love it and even with all these problems, I'm still using it. Eventually I will start modding, hacking it etc. but for now I just want what you guys have... a perfectly working HD2.
[HD2 General] JonFolse:
People just dont want to fix their own device or do any tweaking or work towards it. This is how complaints begin. The only legitimate complaint I can maybe vouch with is small battery...But all these software issues and what not, there are simple fixes that people don't feel like doing. *Kanye shrug*
[HD2 General] TIGGAH:
Wow... This comment is plain ignorant. So the people who turn the phone on and it immediately starts freezing, has horrible call quality, cannot receive a text without their device having a seizure or the multitude of other issues being seen - they are just stupid and it's their fault?

Get a grip man. Some of the HD2s are broke! It's a fact and you need to live with it.
[HD2 General] zarathustrax:
I didn't have to do any major tweaks and I was on stock rom until yesterday... and I got it on release day. I have not had it freeze once and have not had any problems. I really don't know why it would freeze day 1 for you, except either you had a defective phone or you did it somehow yourself. I get great functionality right out of the box with no tweaks or rom flashes. I've been testing different programs for the past 2 weeks... probably installed 30 different programs. No problems whatsoever. So what you experienced is not the norm.
[HD2 General] zarathustrax:
The majority of people don't have these problems. Most people without problems don't post, so you gotta figure for every post of someone having freezing issues, theres probably hundreds of people not having that problem. Maybe theres some defective phones out there. I did no tweaking for the first week and I had no freezes or problems.
[HD2 General] efjay:
The android fanboys fail to mention the problems that platform has itself, like being unable to install programs to sd card unless you "tweak" it, which seems to be an unacceptable practice when its a WM device. No one would claim WM is perfect, indeed no mobile OS is, but the issues some have had with the HD2 are NOT inherent to the platform, there were no such complaints after the Touch Pro2 was released on T-Mo and other carriers, nothing also came from Imagio or Pure users.

The obvious answer is that the problems are particular to the HD2 and its software, and that includes the OS AND HTC Sense and the modifications HTC has done. But in the rush to be fashionable and blame WM for all the problems people ignore any other explanation and cry "WM sucks, android is better, rah rah!"

HTC also must share part of the blame, why is Sense so buggy eg the Messaging component, to the point it can bring a phone running such powerful hardware to its knees? Why dont they concentrate on optimising and improving performance before cramming even more features in? And why is Microsoft unable and/or unwilling to put pressure on their OEM's to ensure the end product is acceptable, regardless of whether you are a power user or average consumer?

At the end of the day, it is easy to lay blame but maybe there is more to the problems than meets the eye and rather than jumping on the hate bandwagon people should find out a bit more about what they are buying and more importantly make their issues known to the manufacturer/carrier as that is the only way any issues will get resolved.

And for the record, I had a problem, turned out to be a 3rd party application, removed it and my HD2 is working smooth as silk ever since. Put that in your "WM sucks" pipe and smoke it :)
[HD2 General] brownhornet:
Dude, scour the internet and search for HD2 and freeze or sleep of death. There are a TON of these things that have the issue STRAIGHT OUT OF THE BOX!! Even the guy at the tmobile store said he had replaced his twice for that issue and decided to settle with the N1 because of it. It is NOT something people are doing and is a well known fact that a ton of these phones have this problem. If yours doesnt, consider yourself lucky.

Go to google and type in HD2 freeze and at least 2 pages of topics pop up with people having this problem. And it's NOT like its a new issue.. this has been happening with winmo phones for YEARS.. people just choose to soft reset and deal with it like it doesnt exist. But for that much, I refuse so I took it back. Funny part is the thing froze right after setup before I could even put my contacts on it.
[HD2 General] brownhornet:
The problem is winmo... period. Im not a "fanboy" of ANY OS, but I will tell it like it is. Big whoop, you cant install apps 2 sd on android. Do I care more about that or the fact that I cant even let the phone go into sleep mode without having to reset it? I mean I was able to even look over the fact that there are hardly even any developers for winmo anymore just to get the phone anyways... app wise whether its installing to memory or sd, there is REALLLLLY no comparison on that front for winmo and android. Or the fact that if im in messaging and have more than 20 messages I have to literally sit and wait on all of them to load before I can type... and this with a snapdragon processor!!!!!! Obviously there are a ton of people that prefer android over winmo since most of the people that switch to it from other OS come from winmo.
[HD2 General] brownhornet:
Exactly... some of these folks think that just because their phones arent having issues that there arent a lot of people that arent so lucky. As a matter of fact just go to the tmobile hd2 board... its practically full of posts from people having this exact same issue. Same with the htc support site... it is what it is there are a lot of these phones that are faulty.
[HD2 General] efjay:
Really? Then why is this freezing problem just being reported? And why is it not being reported by users of all the other phones I mentioned? I have used a Pharos 137, T-Mo Touch Pro2, Samsung Omnia, HTC TyTN, O2 XDA IIs and I have not seen the problems being reported for the HD2. And the messaging problem is an issue with HTC Sense, NOT the underlying OS. As zarathustrax said, how many times do you see a forum thread titled "my xxx device works beautifully, Im so happy!" You will see a majority of threads being posted for problems, if your phone is working fine, are you going to post a thread about it?

And I highlighted 1 problem with the android OS, there are probably others. So just because you dont think its a problem doesnt make it any less so.
[HD2 General] toreone:
Cool

So...I think you guys nailed it! People are lazy. if something is different their first instinct is to complain instead of doing d some research and figuring out ways off fixing things. "I hate the keyboard , my battery dies too fast"...wah wah wah. Read Read Read. shut your mouth and do some learning. I was not feeling the keyboard coming from my wing but I started using swype and now I text faster than I wouldwith a keyboard. I feel like this phone is the best fine I have ever layed hands on!
[HD2 General] radzi:
I've had many WM phones, Nokias my girlfriend had a iPhone (I had to config and do everything for her, I used a lot that phone) and this is by far the best... I've nothing to complain about, averithing it does does it quick, smooth, hardware quality is perfect, feels so good in hand., it's very thin...

As many other users said... this is a phone that will be apreciated only by people that understands technology, who likes to play with their phones because the capabilities are endless.

I'm very happy with this phone, this is NOT a bad phone.
[HD2 General] nonpaq:
I never tried my HD2 unmodded. I started adding apps from the first time I turned it on (a large set of CABs available from my previous WM phones). I only have problems when I add a cab not specifically tested for HD2.
[HD2 General] speoples20:
No phone is perfect and they never will be, its impossible. Some people have issues and they are usually the most vocal or people who have no issues. I've sold about 20 HD2s out of my store and 5 reps in my store have the phone. I've only had one returned because it wouldnt power on. The phone is a great phone but people need to realize that even Ferraris break down sometimes.

The best thing to do instead of making numerous threads like "zomg hd2 worst fone evar!" "hd2 not running perfect halp!" read some threads or reset your phone. And in the end if it doesnt work out get a different phone. This phone isnt for everyone.
[HD2 General] nerdtaco:
I ran the stock rom for a day, and flashed it immediately, not because it had any problems, but because the custom roms often have a bunch of stuff that I want installed on it, and none of the free trials and other crap that come with the phone. I've yet to have this thing lock up. Installing the Hard SPL was a frickin' breeze as well. I'm not sure how they normally go, but it was insanely easier than my first smart phone, which was a Kaiser. This thing runs like a dream, no a WET dream!
[HD2 General] yakapo:
I used my phone for less than a day before I installed a cooked rom. My biggest frustration prior to the flash was that sometimes the screen was unresponsive.

Now that I have removed the micro sd card, it looks like the battery life has improved.
[HD2 General] refuse2bstopped:
Well thanks guys. Just wanted to make sure I'm not doing back flips over a phone that'll have me throwing it across the room in the next few weeks out of frustration. lol Thanks for all the feed back. All said was what I expected to be said, just wanted to be sure while I still have the opportunity to take it back for my full refund. Don't get me wrong, I've definitely been a part of the "flashing" world fortunately for me in the past and will probably venture back into it with this phone in the near future, it just seemed to be the first phone that ran so good that I didn't feel the need to flash as soon as I powered it on like previous Win Mo devices in the past.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] frankp124:
for some reason my tilt is having an issue where it freezes and fades to black as if being unresponsive to buttons or the touch screen. in this "black screen" period the phone seems to lose battery life very quickly. I only have to soft reset the phone to get it to work, but every so often this freeze happens and I have been losing a very large amount of battery life over the course of the day even when I am not using the phone. I am not completely sure if the black screen is causing the bettery loss, or even if the two issues are related to each other, but I have only noticed the significant battery drainage when the phone is unresponsive with the black screen. also the green light on top continues to blink when the black screen is there and I can't send or recieve data (phone calls, texts, etc...) while the phone is in this unresponsive state.

Is there any solution?? I would be willing to re flash my Dutty's Official 6.1 ROM if need be, but I would like to explore any other solution first.

Much Thanks.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Mr. Clown:
Maybe a Hardreset can solve your problem, try that and see what happens.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] frankp124:
before hard reseting i turned off my S2U2 program and I haven't had any problems for the last 2 days now. I will try running the program again see what the result is. Maybe I just have to reinstall this program?

THanks again
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] denco7:
Dutty's is a really old rom also. I think that as long as you are doing a hard reset, you really should jump to 2010 and upgrade your spl and rom.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DroidFreek:
hello its droidfreek again and i would like to make a copy of my os or rom and its apps and settings. i want to make an image of my phone right know kind of like the way image burn can make a image of everything

If u pros and genuios can help me please do so

please and thankyou

Sent from my HTC Dream G1 using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] borodin1:
Ok, I have a patience of a saint...I really do.... but damn, did you read the first three threads in this in Q&A forum??????? Every question that you had (and opened a new thread for) was answered there.

I have a tip for you: you have a google phone... use it, google stuff. Noone is going to help you unless you put some of your own effort into it. With that said....

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=543081

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=535232

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=532719

Study those, they are your Android bible.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DroidFreek:
to tell ya the truth i didn't, im the type who wants answers quick
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Binary100100:
Your also the type that breaks the rules of the forums by posting questions that have already been answered. If you keep it up you are going to get the moderators upset. Be warned.
[HD2 General] Raadius:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC1jqmz6U_I

Today my phone again seems to let me down even more. I lock the phone, than press the HOME key only to find out, it won't unlock/wake up. Pressing all buttons and nothing wakes it up. So I asked my coworker if he could record it with his Droid (to show proof since HTC doesn't believe me). I have to take out the battery to get it out of this mode. This happens about 3 - 5 times a day and the phone is only 3 weeks old.

This is only one of the MANY of bugs I have with the phone. I've called T-mobile and got nowhere (soft resets, hard resets etc.), I've called HTC (run around answers), got nowhere, this is ridiculous. SENSE UI is bug ridden and nobody wants to take the blame or investigate it. I've called the T-mobile store where I got it from and they are on back order (going on 1 week), so I'm on a waiting list and I got 9 days left on my 30 day buyers remorse to exchange for a brand new HD2 or I'm ****ed :mad:
[HD2 General] Svegetto:
I can say I've had this happen too. I don't think I had this happen with a clean rom and I was guessing it was the gtX theme/mini lockscreen that might have been to blame so I'm going to do a hard reset (was planning on doing one anyway).
[HD2 General] speoples20:
I've had this happen like twice. Hasn't been really an issue.
[HD2 General] SEscobedo:
I know its sad to say but try flashing to a new rom. It works wonders.
[HD2 General] ddgarcia05:
........x2
[HD2 General] brownhornet:
This was one of the things that made me return mine. Happened to me 4 or 5 times the day I bought the phone. I'm like i'm not about to have to go through all this constant flashing with winmo again to get this thing to work right and took it back.
[HD2 General] samsamuel:
its called sleep of death and has been an issue since the hd2 launched. There are several long threads discussing it and trying various things. (I think one is titled 'hd2 died...or did it'' in the normal hd2 section)

Most cooked roms have cured it by now. Certainly i havent seen it since i moved away from stock roms.
[HD2 General] dallastx:
It happened all the time on my Stock Rom. A few times on other roms. One thing is is uncheck 4hr time out.
[HD2 General] sirphunkee:
4hr time out on the screen options you mean?