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[General Topics] eaglesteve:
Yes, good point. It must be considered.

What are "business capabilities" though? I think we need to have a good list of what these are. Let start with what you already got and add some to it myself:

- Exchange support (perhaps even MULTIPLE exchange support) for address, calendar, tasks, and email.

- Ability to edit and create office documents with reasonably complete functions in say excel spreadsheet.

- Saving attachments in email, editing them, and resending them out.

- Presence of client applications that works together with enterprise software such as SAP.

- Ability to remote wipe data from lost phones

- Ability to install corporate applications over the air

- Conference call or even video conferencing to substitute face to face meetings

- Printing of documents (e.g. customers require receipts, written quotation, etc)

- Ability to prevent data from physically removed from the phone via MicroSDHC card or alternatively ability to enforce highly reliable data encryption on data stored there.

- Ability to enforce use of password on phone?

- Ability to PREVENT it from becoming so much fun that employees spend all their time on facebook, chats, and games??? (Hence they would prefer RIM phones??)

Anyone else can think of what the corporate IT people might look for in choosing a corporate phone? Or is it more of matter of "the boss loves his iPhone, so we have no choice but to allow it?"
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This is to that, and the other post.

He is just bashing Android. That's why I came off as insulting in my first post and all others. Now, if he wouldn't have lied it out correctly with FACTS! Do you notice how all his points are iPhone is better, but misses all the points how Android beats the iPhone? Expandable memoey, removable battery, lack of a common charger, etc? No. THATS what pissed me off. My brother has an iPhone, and he likes it better than my Android phone. We play with them just as much. It all boils down to YOU! Not what the phone has. My fiancee won't even use a smartphone. She prefers one with a full keyboard, and a UI like one of those prepaid Verizon phones at Walmart.

That's not the point, though. I see what you're saying, but to a point. You may have learned one or two things cool about iPhone, but he needs to learn a few things about Android and THEN post this thread.

Also, everyone who uses Android knows what is possible. His biggest problem is the fact that he acknowledge something is possible. It either has to be done, or it can't be done. Someone that narrow minded cannot do a thread like this effectively. Oh, has anyone else noticed they're spitting out Android phones left and right? He's comparing the birth of Android, while iPhone is a teenager. His worst problem is volume controls? :O!

Edit: Why did he pout the file manager and all that on page 2? There's like a whole page of reserved posts. Wtf? And we don't need a native file manager. We've got r00t file managers. =]

Another edit: Am I the only one who noticed the a tag is: apple bias? If you're going to actually try and compare, you can't have a favorite, or you can't let that personal reason be the reason behind anything you say. That turns the comparison into a debate. Which you have done a very good job with. F-A-I-L.
[General Topics] PoisonWolf:
Hi guys,

Looks like good ol chump Steve is at his iPhone-whoring again. I laughed when I saw the thread made by him. From the start, I'll tell you right now that there was never any "facts" to be compared with. The title should have been, "Why a jailbroken iPhone is better than Android no matter what you show me lulz".

For any of you with free time, feel free to look at this hilarious thread. You'll quickly understand what I mean when I say that Steve is as objective as a curved banana.

Cheers,

P.S. Yes, I didn't even bother reading this ridiculous thread just because I know how much crap Steve tends to spew out when he's on his iPhone Crusade. I've wasted enough brain cells the last time, I'm not going to waste anymore this time by reading through this pointless thread. I suggest you do the same and let him bask in his iPhone iNsanity.
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http://xdaforums.com/search.php?searchid=36707070

LOLWTF
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No, we have a goal to destroy iPhone fan boys who come on here and bash Android on a Android Developers forum. Why don't you go post this on an Apple forum? They might actually care.

As for the epically sad story, I'm so sorry you had to go through all that pain and suffering. I feel for you, I really do.

Awaiting your swift troll response.

(You do realize that only like one person in this thread has actually cared about what you've said, right? Its also kinda sad how hard hes riding you in visitor messages.)
[General Topics] eaglesteve:
Information on Android Multitasking

My knowledge of Android multitasking is based on articles like this one.

Anything other articles that might enrich my knowlege of Android?
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http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/fundamentals.html#proclife

That will probably fit you better, here's layman's terms real quick:

Android doesn't just "keep all apps alive and rape your RAM/Swap." Android keeps apps alive tha tit believes will be used in the near future. If it deems that it doesn't; it kills it. It also doesn't take up the full amount of memory that it would if it was being used at that point in time. (I believe that's where compcache comes in.) This is where Task Managers come into play. Say you recently were browsing the web, and playing a game. (Looking up solutions to a puzzle game for example.) Then you're tired of doing that and want to listen to music. You CAN just let them sit and they'll eventually die off when Android thinks it's necessary. OR you can speed up the process by using a task manager. Either way, same thing is achieved and no extra RAM is gained.
[General Topics] eaglesteve:
People DO post on Apple oriented forums. People do discuss and state their preference for Windows OS on Apple forum, and you know what, nobody would have any problem with it. In fact, people vote for Windows over Apple in this thread, with zero complain from anybody. Why is it insulting? Google does not believe in free speech out of a sudden?

This is unfair accusation. I'm choosing a phone as a more "normal" user, not as a hacker, not as a OS programmer, not as a application programmer who can create mod when one isn't already available. I said users could use solutions which have already been released or soon to be released to the general public.

Of course, everything is potentially technical, but if it requires new mod which are yet to be designed and developed, then as a user choosing the phone we ought to say that it is not there yet.

It's nothing like you say at all.

Anyway, didn't you guys also said that XDA-Developers is a forum for developers, so I should not be posting such a thread at all?

Well, are most people here developers? If it is, what's this talk about me preying on non-technical users?

If the forum is also for non-technical users seeking answers and help, then surely there is a place to allow these users to ask very simple questions on the capabilities of new phones they're about to buy. Why are you so eager to interfere with their quest for answers?

Are you working for Android/HTC? Are you so afraid that users will see what iPhone can really do and feel that you have a moral duty to protect them from being misled so you must try to censure my posts? If you're from google, then you should at least pretend to believe in complete free speech rather than acting contrary to that, don't you think? Or are you implying that all the users here can't think for themseleves and require you to protect them from evil information? If you're then are you not insulting the intelligence of these members and their ability to decide for themselves what to read and believe?
[General Topics] eaglesteve:
I already know all these rather basic information. Thank you nevertheless for the link. Some part of the above paragraph is probably not completely accurate and contradicts the article I link to.
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You're posting on a developers forum saying that things aren't possible. Many people here didn't know if the Camera for 2.1 ports would ever work, but guess what? It does! Just because it's not around yet doesn't mean it won't or can't. That's what you continue, and continue, and continue to miss. I have a basic understanding about how Android works - and screen off would be very easy. Just because I can't do it, doesn't mean I don't know that. Also, you can't post about basic defaults on an developers forum. That's just... contractible. Maybe you need to learn what XDA actually is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O2_Xda. See, if you compared a WinMO phone against an Android phone - you wouldn't get flamed. You're posting this on a whole wrong forum. This isn't "hey look i got my phone n it looks so cool n its touchscreen!!11!!" No, its about actually taking the OS, breaking it down, greasing all the joints, replace some missing parts, and putting it back together. THAT'S what you're missing here. I understand this is General, but no one signs up just to talk about nothing. We register to root our phone and maybe learn a thing or two about deving. When it boils down to it, we don't really care about iPhone. You won't convince me to an OS that has no room for improvement. Wtf is Apple so scared of? Pirated apps? Kids looking at porn? Pffffft! Piracy will always be around - you can't beat that. PERIOD! Kids looking at porn? Common, the Internet is everywhere. You're not going to stop that, either. You just CAN'T! So why put up all this ***** fit over something that will never be stopped? That's the type of reasons that make a phone better than another phone. Not the lack of hardware keys for skipping or other b.s. I could go on all day, but please, just get the point and stop with this nonsense.
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You DON'T know that. You complained that Android keeps apps alive.

WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. :/

WROOOOOOOOOOONG!

WROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG!

Edit: No, the paragraph you quoted does not contradict what you linked to. You're jut too stupid to understand it and there for don't need to try and talk about it when you know nothing about what you're talking about. If you're talking about "no extra RAM gained" (the only POSSIBLE thing wrong) let me rephrase that - no extra NEEDED RAM is freed. ;)
[General Topics] eaglesteve:
It does not matter if the forum is for developers or not. I'm evaluating the phone as a normal user, not as a developer or hacker. Things which the developers could do are not the kind of things which normal users could do, unless it is just using solutions already developed by the developer and hacker. If developers and hackers have already provided the solution, then we as user would say it is possible for me as a normal user to effect that change. On the other hand, if no developers or hackers have developed the solution yet (whether or not it can be done is unknown or still unavailable), then as a user we would say those features are not available at this point in time at least. Sure, in the very distant future, solution might be developed, but I'm looking at the timeframe of next few months, when iPhone HD and Supersonic are available.

Knowing that it can be done is a useless piece of information. Of course anybody knows it can be done. The question is has it been done and the solutions available already, see the above paragraph saying the same thing.

You can' t even differentiate between XDA-forum and O2 phones?

Sure you can. People do want to compare Palm Pre, Blackberry, Nokia, iPhone or whatever they want. Like you yourself just did here. This is not a communist country. The last I check, Google was the one that fights for free speech and revolt against the kind of control you're trying to put in place now.

(To the moderators: If any of the moderator thinks that I've posted to the wrong forum, and this should go to the Off-Topic Section, please do so.)

I'm not interested at all to convince you. I just want to find out which of the two phones I should buy next.

If having porn and using pirated software is what makes your phone, that's your choice. My choice does include being able to skip and repeat music more easily if possible.
[General Topics] eaglesteve:
All I was saying is that Android system tries to maintain an application process for as long as possible, but eventually it will need to remove old processes when memory runs low.

In contrast, the approach in iPhone is only maintain the process and services which are necessary (GPS, music streaming, downloading, etc) while mostly just saving the state of the application not requiring those services.

Wrong?

I'm all ready to correct my misinterpretation of what I read. No problem with that if you can point out which part of my understanding is wrong. I don't feel in anyway put down for being corrected for error in understanding. I'm human and do understand/interpret things wrongly at times. I will not see any need for me to be defensive over my error in understanding despite you being provocative and arrogant.
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Getting the highlights here.

1. Tired

2. Done with this idiocracy

3. Ubuntu wants to update

I never compared anything. I said BlackBerry was a good phone

Something about something about... forogt... Oh yea! O2 you got me there. :)

Lastly, you are wrong. If you were correct that means I could be able to open a game, leave it running in background and it would stay there forever if i never opened anything else. Nah. Sorry, won't happen.

And, you're an idiot. I mean wrong forum as in gtfo this website and go to another. We're not end users. We all hack our phones. Jesus, man, can you understand that? I'm done explaining it. Bye. ~.^
[General Topics] designerfx:
wow dude you are a spin machine. People get angry because you're trying to sound logical when your posts are designed to invoke other people's frustration and ire.

the problem here is this:

android can keep anything going until it's forced to remove it from memory.

Apple only keeps going what they feel is appropriate until it runs out of memory.

Which of these lets you keep what you need in your memory? Do you see the difference here?

Don't get me wrong, android has it's own problems with what happens when you restore focus to something that was running in the background, but it's a heck of a lot more successful than what apple is trying to do (and is still behind on doing properly - note - how many months more was it before apple actually releases the patch with multitasking and stuff? Did they say august, if I recall?
[General Topics] designerfx:
Let me try to explain this way:

it's one thing getting the pro's and con's on a fair level. Admitting the flaws in each system.

It's another when you're comparing windows to it's competitors via microsoft's get the facts campaign. AKA you're comparing things, but the person providing the viewpoints is not neutral. They are the competitor in the first place, and thus are providing viewpoints basically saying "our products are better, here is why". That's not a productive discussion.

See the difference here? One is outright designed to be misleading. This eaglesteve is our misleading individual, and he tries to make android look bad by provoking people with comments that those people would normally not say in such a harsh tone, but has been brought on by manipulation.

It's like this:

I state X is better than Y.

You state Y is better than X.

We argue, but I provide arguments that sidestep everything you say, are not necessarily logical, and basically reaffirm my opinion but not acknowledging your own.

You try to argue logically, but I say "you're not reading what I'm saying".

Do you think this will end in a heated argument? Yes. It will every time. Will you lose your cool? Absolutely. Does it make you look bad? Absolutely.

What have I done? I've put an unproductive spin on the entire discussion and turned it from a debate to "my version of the facts".

This is why this thread is a waste and why I know eaglesteve will never acknowledge it. He's doing a very smart form of trolling, and it's well known.
[General Topics] PoisonWolf:
Yes, we said that. You shouldn't be posting any threads, period. Now go get a request to have this thread deleted. Once you're done with that, please never post again. Threads like these are worse than spambot-made threads. At least in those threads, there's only a single post.

Your thread however, has now spanned 20 pages.

It has been nothing but a waste of XDA's bandwidth/storage to constantly load/store this nonsense. So please, don't post anymore of your alleged "objective" bull****. I believe I speak along the lines of many other users here who feel the same.

If you still feel the dire need to share your vast "objective knowledge" with other users, put a tag in your signature along the lines of, "Want a fair commentary on different mobile OS-es? Send me a PM and we can talk about it!". Just don't post anymore pointless threads like this. If you really feel the compulsive urge to do it, do it elsewhere, go to MySpace, use your Facebook account, use twitter, just don't do it here.

Good day.
[General Topics] eaglesteve:
Multitasking comparision again

To be honest, my only real hands-on experience with iPhone's multitasking is using the Backgrounder on jailbroken phone, and I've no issue whatsoever with that.

As for exactly how iPhone OS4.0 does it, whether it is going to be even better than what I now now, or how it compares to Android, nobody in this world know that yet until OS4.0 is officially release this June (Rumoured to be June 7, just about 5 weeks from now).

What the device will do to a game when it goes to sleep under Android is an interesting question, but perhaps not of much interest to ordinary users whose interest is when the device will do to a game when it is being used.

I'm not sure if the fine subtle distinctions between Android and iPhone is going to matter to the average users as much as 1) the effect on battery life, 2) Performance and smoothness felt by the users when the device has been loaded up with hundreds of applications and a proper stress test performed running a realistic mix of applications based on the requirement of high powered users.

We could try to guess the overall battery life and performance implications of the two design, or if there is going to be any difference.

One other difference between the two platform, as far as I understand it, is that Android allows non-google provided background services to run, whereas in the case of iPhone, background services can only be those provided by Apple. I personally see both pros and cons of each camp here:

- Android's approach and philosophy means that developers could deal with situations where google's standard background services might not be meeting the needs. However, there is also nothing to stop badly written or worst malicious services from running, affecting potentially security, performance, and battery life.

- Apple's approach is probably more secured, but if there is a situation where the standard background services is inadequate, developers would have to sacrifice the needed application functionalities, or petition and wait for Apple to release new standard services for it.

Alternative views are encouraged here. So, do feel free to express yours.
[General Topics] eaglesteve:
Please start your own Apple bashing thread

You're giving me lots of credit as microsoft's competitor mate. I'm already done with winmo, and this thread is not about microsoft, if that's your worry.

Am I'm not a cleaver designer to mislead people with sophisticated manipulation either. You have an extremely warped perception here.

You lost me completely with these. I don't even have any clue of what you're trying to say, other than to just say that your perception is warped and colored by your anti-apple stance.

As I have mentioned in my post #1, if you're an Apple hater, please go elsewhere to preach your hatred rather than coming here to litter this thread, or go start your own thread to bash Apple. I promise you not to step into your thread to defend Apple at all. If fact, I might even join to help you point out a few things I hate about Apple. Deal?

Or may be you're just content making a fool of yourself by provoking others like you did with this post (and mind you, that was your post #2 after becoming member of this forum, attempting to put down a much more knowledgeable and senior member than one, totally unprovoked.), for which you were prompty put back to your little place with this reply. Or perhaps you are not that junior, but have actually been using another name in the past, but the reputation associated with the old name became so bad that you had to get a new one? How else could one explain the audacity of that post of yours? You claimed that you have been lurking around for a long time without posting, but I don't believe you because of your nature - you're the type who think your self worth is dependent on your ability to piss around and exert your stupid viewpoints whenever you read something that does not fit into your pre-conceived mind on how things work, therefore it would be impossible to have NOT made any posts for so long. :cool:
[General Topics] eaglesteve:
Interesting development in video format of the future

This article and this video from microsoft caught my attention.

It says, "IE9 will support playback of H.264 video only". In other word, no support for Ogg Theora.

This seems to suggest that webmaster would have to provide their video in H.264 format if IE9 is going to be able to play them. Since, most of today's PC are using the OS from microsoft, and majority of them will be using Microsoft's Internet Explorer, the option of not having the video is H.264 format is no longer available.

It also means iPhone and iPad's browser can play all the video that IE9 could play!

Nevertheless, Android phone retains a one up on iPhone for two other reasons:

1) In addition to being able to support H264, it also supports Ogg Theora which is allowed under HTML5, and supported by Opera, firefox and Chrome.

2) It also supports flash video.

So, at present, big supporters of H264 formats include Apple, Microsoft, and Google, and big supporters of Ogg Theora include Opera, Firefox and Google. It's a tie.

I wonder how webmasters will react to this news. Will they go with Apple/Microsoft or with Opera/Firefox? I suspect the formal. Microsoft IE browser dominates the PC side, and iPhone's safari dominates the Mobile phone side.

If my reasoning is right, then I have one less worry in my selection exercise now.

Note that I'm not taking side with either camp, nor want to get into the open source versus non-open source debate. As a user, I just want to be able to play the videos on the news sites or any other sites. There are debates going on as to which is faster, etc, but I think both would not be problem. I know youtube is very fast now. If you look at the demo of the linked video at around 26:00 onward, you could see big difference between the performance of H.264 for youtube vs Ogg Theora. Google had also said according to somewhere I read that youtube is way faster with H.264 than with Ogg Theora. I'm cool with going along with just H.264.

Edit: I wonder if microsoft is saying:

a) They will support Flash and H.264, or

b) They wlll not support flash and Ogg Theora. They will support only H.264.

If it is a), then google phone will still retain the edge over iPhone.
[General Topics] vangrieg:
Yes, but it will also support Flash and Silverlight. :)
[General Topics] eaglesteve:
Thank you for the clarification. That once again leave the decision on video playing difficult once again, doesn't it? That simply means that iPhone is not really able to play all video that IE9 could play. Hmmmm....

I have to say that Android remains one up on this one.