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[HD2 General] geronemo:
it really worked out for you.....congrats.

i might do the same, but i have to ask you, where did u sell the other hd2 on craiglist or ebay, also how easy or hard was it to sell??

also do you get it unlocked, if yes from where?

thanks alot.
[HD2 General] ConEstilo:
Its the same for me out here in Philadelphia. The HSPA signal out here is amazing also. If you're in a "grandfathered" rate plan, most of the time they won't force you to change it. From what I could tell, the only thing they forced was the change to the internet plan. I'm currently on a grandfathered family plan. $99 with 2500mins, unlimited nights and weekends, $10 unlimited text/mms to all 4 lines, $10 each extra line and the $25 data on the HD2 lines (forced).

Compared to the iPhone AT&T plans or Driod Verizon plans, TMoUSA's data, talk & text plans are way better.
[HD2 General] joefx13:
Walmart took down the htc hd2 from their website. I think due to the fact that there was ALOT of people ordering from them. Im getting mine from them on monday. (:
[HD2 General] darkanubispr:
In Puerto Rico if u buy the hd2 via radio shack the price it's 149.99 plus a 2 years unlimited data and voice plan paying only $20 for the data and $35 for the voice plus all the fees and taxes for the grand total of $63.85 per month it's really cheap compared to the IPhone monthly costs and mytouch that's over 80 bucks... :eek:
[HD2 General] k2trill:
I'll add to this to help everyone as well... you actually DON'T even have to get the $25 or the $30 data plan. You can change your data plan to the $9.99 web-to-go plan and nothing will change as far as data usage restrictions, tether capability, data dependent apps 3G/HSPA connectivity, etc.

***FIRST, You must change your data plan by...

A. getting a representative kind enough to do so without asking a lot of questions,

B. inserting your SIM temporarily into a "regular" phone (not another smart phone and then getting your data plan changed to the $9.99 one, or

C. insert your SIM into the regular phone, do a couple of reboots in addition to making a couple of calls on the network then go to your "my-t-mobile" account online and change your plan yourself.

B. is the easiest to me...

***SECOND, you must change the apn on your phone...

This is easy. on your phone (no matter what ROM you are using), press the "Windows" button, go to "Settings," then "Connections," then "Connections." Select "Manage existing connections," select "Edit," then "Next," and change your Access Point Name from epc.t-mobile.com to internet2.voicestream.com. Select "Next" and then "Finish." make sure your data is toggled on and you are good to go. UNLIMITED data, 3G/H tethering, etc. for 9.99/month.

I hope this adds to the F*** you T-Mobile factor. I just dumped their crappy service actually 2 weeks ago anyway! lol
[HD2 General] geronemo:
my only question is that i am thinking of getting BCB, so if i go through BCB and sign up for full payment $450 and $59.99 plan with 500min+unlimited text+data, will i be able to change my plan after coming back home and going through customer service and still be able to claim the BCB??

thanks.
[HD2 General] k2trill:
yes, you can.
[HD2 General] HackMimic:
Or if you want to get out early without paying a fee document many complaints about inferior service in your area where it says superior. I did that for ATT to get out of my contract. Took me a week straight calling support about slow 3g speeds of about 100kb to 200kb a sec. they found tons of issues on there side fixed them but still slow 3g so they cancelled my contract as they could not fufill there own terms and refunded me $90 for internet. Basically i got over a month of free phone service with money back which paid my second month for Tmobile. They all follow a guildline. all you need to do is complain over and over and over again. you will spend almost 8hrs on the phone it total but those 8 hours saves you several hundred.
[HD2 General] bizmark03:
Does this help if i'm under contract for 2yrs, where its mandatory to pay $30 each month for the data plan????
[HD2 General] zachary_grasley:
ETF's

I'd just like to point out that there is not a single one of you that mentioned contract termination costs, that actually got it right.

Month 1-18 = $200

<180 days = $100

<90 days = $50

That simple. Read your contracts.
[HD2 General] seal815:
Discount on TMO bill

If any of you happen to work for the Federal or State Govt, or are in the military let then know and you can get an additional 15% off of you monthly bill. Hope this helps.

v/r Seal
[HD2 General] bizmark03:
I work for a state university....does that work?
[HD2 General] egzthunder1:
T-Mobile does this for free
[HD2 General] egzthunder1:
Two words... f*&^ng brilliant! :D
[HD2 General] egzthunder1:
Doesn't hurt to ask... :)
[HD2 General] egzthunder1:
I like your post. However, how do you go about the fact that you are tied up to a 2yr contract with data whether you use it or not? I can turn off the data on my phone altogether and that still (contractually speaking) would still force me to pay the $30/month. If you were under a no-contract case... then your method is by far the best to pay for cheap data. But you still need to pay the $30/month if you are under contract.
[HD2 General] kcaj32:
I got my 15% corporate discount while in school (California State Univ). Apparently CSU was part of the corporate discount. T-Mobile asked me for my StudentID. I'm not sure if they checked or not, but 2 billing cycles later, I started getting the discount.

Now, 2 years after graduating, I still get 15% off on my monthly bills.
[HD2 General] fcp85:
Well, inside points!!!

What he's referring to is a even more and even more plus. when you switch your account to even more plus ($25 data) and leave the eve more ($30 data) you're going to t-mobile prepaid side instead of postpaid. Also, the coverage its not the same. t-mobile.com/coverage you'll see that postpaid and then prepaid/flexpay coverage. Now, as soon as you go to flexplay (even more plus), you cant go back unless you get a new number and you're taking your account out of postpaid privileges...
[HD2 General] egzthunder1:
Do you work for TMOUSA?
[HD2 General] sirphunkee:
I hope not, because he's got the EM/EM+ and pre-paid/post-paid thing all mixed up. And most Tmo employees probably know that the flex and regular plan maps are identical now.
[HD2 General] egzthunder1:
What is the Flex plan anyways?
[HD2 General] sirphunkee:
The "flexpay" plan is a special pre-paid program that T-mobile has for people who's credit doesn't qualify them for a post-paid plan without a hefty deposit. It's different from most carrier's pre-paid programs in that you can still get the same monthly plans and rates that post-paid customers get, you just have to pay them in advance, instead of in arrears like regular customers. So, if your flexpay bill is due on the 15th of the month (for example), you have to pay by the 15th or they shut off your service right then, until you pay to bring it current, and the service you're paying for then is from the 15th of this month till the 14th of next month. Flexpay customers aren't eligible for all the goodies that regular customers are, particularly regarding discounts and even some account-level things like call-forwarding. The advantage to flex pay is that you get to have a pre-paid account (or an account at all, depending on your credit :p), but still get the same regular plan rates (instead of the full per-minute charges on most pre-paid programs).

And, for the record, the "Even More" and "Even More Plus" plans are both available to both pre-paid (flex pay) and post-paid customers, as are any of T-mobile's standard rate plans. I was on flex pay for a couple of years, until Tmo relaxed its policies a couple of months ago and allowed flex pay customers with good payment history to upgrade to full post-paid accounts...which I did, mostly so I could have access to call forwarding and therefore google voice :D
[HD2 General] egzthunder1:
Thanks for the thorough explanation. I had seen the Flexpay option in TMO in Europe before, but I had no idea it was in the US as well.
[HD2 General] DaveNavy:
Well Actually You also Have to Pay for the One month of service Lowest cost for the 19.99 price war 49.99 right? plus Taxes?...You would be loosing $7.00 and some change taking your location into consideration,...LOL:D
[HD2 General] egzthunder1:
The reason why I did not include taxes and fees is because that is a pretty gray area since they tend to vary from place to place. Besides, taxes pretty much cancel out between the options (I know there is a difference, but it isn't much).
[HD2 General] br4nd0nh347:
Can someone check this? Or does someone know about this already?

I was going to do something like this, but I was deterred because I thought that T-Mobile will classify this device as a smartphone. I had found a page on their site that said smartphone cancellations are $300.

I don't know when I'll get the time to backtrack, but I will.
[HD2 General] egzthunder1:
If you are not under contract, you can tell them that you are using a Razr, they cannot see what you are using. Remember that unlike CDMA devices where they check ESN against the account number, GSM will work as long as you have a sim card in the device... regardless of what the device is.
[HD2 General] geronemo:
but for the record, suppose i get an HD2 now and 15 days from now i want out of the contract so since HD2 is a smartphone will have to pay $300??

or do i pay $200 regardless of the phone i am using on the contract?
[HD2 General] Snarksneeze:
Curiosity Killed The Cat...​

Why would you want to leave T-Mobile with a 3G phone? I hear that it won't connect to AT&T's 3G network, only their 2G. Kinda takes a bit of the fun out of that, wot?

Satisfaction Brought It Back...​

While out with sirphunkee, purchasing his HD2, we were chatting with the store manager about the different methods people were using, such as using WalMart to purchase it and then telling T-Mobile they had returned to phone. The manager told us that folks that did that would have their ability to open new accounts "frozen" for a time. He did not elaborate on the time period. The point was that if you canceled with TMO and found that Ma Bell sucks worse, you'd be stuck with #2 and no window to throw it out of. Anyone know about this?
[HD2 General] bogdatov:
As far as US T-Mobile HD2 you pay just $200 regardless of type of the phone. I asked CSR about that too
[HD2 General] br4nd0nh347:
Cool thanks for clearing this up.

BTW the HD2 is:

The best Windows Mobile Phone out

The only capacitive one out.

Largest Screen for windows mobile.

1 Ghz processor for windows mobile, and so on.

3G drains battery life, I keep my Tilt (which had a slower prcoessor and larger battery) on 2G to save battery life. You also get a better connection. T-Mobile 3g doesn't penetrate much, especially where I am. 3G is not needed, although the speed of downloading is preferable.

However you can hack the HD2 to get about 1/3-1/2 of 3G speed (on the 2G network) fom these forums. In addition to this, other than driving and a few odd places, you can get free wifi at many places.

That's just my $0.02.
[HD2 General] egzthunder1:
You will only pay a contract penalty. Usually, the device penalty is applied if you buy from some other retailer that give you bigger discounts (Wirefly, amazon wireless, Let's Talk, etc). If you bought it through TMOUSA (or other retailers at the same price as TOMUSA), you will only pay the $200 early fee... that's it.
[HD2 General] egzthunder1:
Main reason why I believe having a data plan, if you have free wifi available kinda defeats the purpose of having it (hence, it becomes a waste of money)
[HD2 General] egzthunder1:
Why would you not be able to use AT&T's 3G? They cannot know what device you have, and since the device has this enabled, they cannot really block it (afaik). Besides, my point is about saving money and one of the things is scrapping the data plan altogether, so it makes no difference if I take it to a 3G, a 2G or even a GPRS network. Even though I am not exactly thrilled about TMO's service, the data is the only real complain that I have.
[HD2 General] egzthunder1:
True... on top of that, it says so on the contract.
[HD2 General] Cal3b:
i sold it on craigslist, it was easy. but it was right after the HD2 came out so tons of people wanted it. you would have better luck putting it on ebay.

i can get it unlocked by tmobile because i have had an account with them for awhile.
[HD2 General] Cal3b:
i do work for t-mobile. in the first year the cancellation fee is $200 no matter what phone you get. watch out for third party retailers some of them have their own cancellation fees on top of t-mobiles, just ask if they have a secondary contract when calling.
[HD2 General] Cal3b:
t-mobiles 3G and at&ts 3G run on completely different frequencies so a HD2 made for tmo US wont pick up at&t 3G.

they can see what device you are using, the computers allow them to see what your imei is and from that they can see what device you have.
[HD2 General] Cal3b:
right and wrong, it will work if you just slip your sim into a new device without calling customer support. if you do call customer support for something however they can look and see what type of device you are using. i have been using an unlocked iPhone and an HD2 for a long time and they still think i am using a simple flip phone. just try not to talk to customer support.

and yes with CDMA its the ESN on GSM/UMTS it is the IMEI that they track the phone with. they can see what device you have and if it is stolen they will blacklist the IMEI and you cant use it on any carrier.
[HD2 General] egzthunder1:
That is assuming that the IMEI in question is in their database. Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't believe that TMOUSA has a database with all the IMEI numbers in existence, but rather only the ones branded by them. So, if I were to say get a Blue Angel (SX66, which is the Cingular variant), they would have no clue as to what I am using. I know that they can identify the device by serial number, but what I said is that they cannot determine the device ID simply by it being connected (think remote desktop).

As far as the frequency for 3G between AT&T and TMO, I stand corrected... thanks for pointing it out.

And the customer support tip.... stroke of genius :) Thanks for that one as well!
[HD2 General] Cal3b:
the IMEI can be decoded to tell the provider what make model and when the phone was made. digits 9-14 give the make and model
[HD2 General] Tbaba:
Anyone buy this for 99USD on Amazon? Will cancellation fee still be 200USD. I live abroad and want to have it bought for 100USD and cancelled for 200USD then I'll unlock it down here. I dont need tmobile AT all. or what's the best option for people living abroad. I love the tmobile version becos of the more ROM and RAM.
[HD2 General] geronemo:
i would also like to know what do the gurus on this forum think about this deal http://www.amazon.com/HTC-HD2-Windo...EH&pf_rd_t=301&pf_rd_p=1250410622&pf_rd_i=hd2

i live in US so how much am i looking at if i cancel with tmobile after 1 month of service?

thanks :)
[HD2 General] geronemo:
ok so according to this one would have to pay $200 to tmobile and $250 to amazon if one cancels the plan before 181 days :(

http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html/ref=cell_dp_activationLink?ie=UTF8&docId=508597
[HD2 General] briguydj32:
you need to be corrected here... t-mobile etf drops to $100 when there's 6 months LEFT on the contract... $75 with 61-90 days remaining and $50 with 1-59 days
[HD2 General] briguydj32:
wrong... with one click of a button tmo can see what phone youre using. if its a non tmobile device tmo can see the first 8 digits of your IMEI to tell what phone you have
[HD2 General] briguydj32:
actually, there is a database, dating all the way back to the zack morris phone days all tue way to the hd2. if it has an imei, its in the database
[HD2 General] JediFonger:
just spent some time going through. i still don't get why you'd want to risk allowing tmo to charge you data plan per month.

go ebay w/trustworthy reseller and just be done it w/$500-600 out right.
[HD2 General] Cal3b:
huh?? what was i wrong about??
[HD2 General] egzthunder1:
Why pay $500-600 for an eBay one when you can get a new one from TMO for less than $500? (and not have to pay data either)
[HD2 General] geronemo:
i am planning to get it though tmobile on full payment using BCB, hopefully then the phone will cost be $300 but i have to use the $59.99 EM+ plan for 60 days to get the $150 cashback.

i think its not that bad to pay $59.99 for 500min+unlimited data+unlimited text.

and i cant think of any other way to get it cheaper other than going for ebay or craiglist which is slightly risky.
[HD2 General] egzthunder1:
Cheaper is relative. The cost upfront might be a bit higher, but it doesn't take too long to go over the upfront cost if you go into contract with them...
[HD2 General] geronemo:
yes exactly my point going into contract means paying $79.99 for the same plan, plus tmobile 3G reception in my area sucks, so by using full payment atleast i wont be bound with tmobile.

also my wife has 3gs and is with att, since i dont get 3g 90% of the time with tmobile i might just jump ship to a family plan with att and EDGE after 60 days when i get the BCB.
[HD2 General] senator2019:
no data

no i didnt get a plan. I just told them id rather test the phone without spending money on a plan, since i may have returned it
[HD2 General] geronemo:
according to buzz killington, we dont have to wait for 60 days to get BCB.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=6487781&posted=1#post6487781

Has anyone here already gone the BCB route??

please let me know your experience.

Thanks.
[HD2 General] objecttothis:
There is another way to get a phone free. Here's what I usually do:

- At my contract renewal period, I renew my contract with an upgraded phone that meets the following criteria:

- T-Mobile does not require a data plan

- Has the biggest difference in price between what they're selling new on eBay for and T-Mobile's price.

- Then I turn around and request an unlock code from T-Mobile (I tell them I'm leaving the country). As long as your account is in good standing and you haven't made the request in 90 days they will do it.

- I then sell my old phone on eBay (depending on it's condition and what it is, you will make a little from it).

- Once I get the phone from T-Mobile I sell it on eBay and get the full price for it.

- Take the money made from the old phone and the new and buy the phone that I want. In this case I just picked up an TMOUS HD2!
[HD2 General] geronemo:
thats interesting, can you tell me what model were your phones i mean the old and the new from tmobile and how much did they sell for?? If you dont mind.

Also how much did you pay for hd2? was it ebay or craiglist??

thanks.
[HD2 General] Genobreaker:
well nice post there is an easier/cheaper method now. Which is what Im doing.

goto wirefly (google it)

HD2 - $119.99

thats a really good price and if you read all the contract info like I did you will see that they "allow" you to cancel the data plan package AFTER 6 months of use so the total price of the phone is $30*6 + $119.99 = $300 I m not including the cost of the minutes. But for me this is the cheapest way.
[HD2 General] objecttothis:
Yeah, the last time I did it I had an HTC Excalibur (T-Mobile Dash) as my old phone. Sold it for $100. The upgrade phone I got from T-Mobile was a Samsung Memoir for $149.99 after mail-in rebate which I sold immediately on eBay after unlocking it for $310. So I made $260 between selling my old phone and the new one. I ended up buying a Palm Treo Pro (refurbished) for $187.50 so I actually made money.

Anyway, my Treo pro just crapped and Palm is replacing it, so I'll sell the refurbished one that I get (somewhere between $200-300) and that will more than pay for the HD2 I just picked up with cracked digitizer glass ($260).
[HD2 General] wpicado:
still gotta pay pill

yes you save 50dollars but, you still get a bill for half the cycle. so that cuts into the 50 dollars you supposedly save,
[HD2 General] ramsyst:
u guys saved me money!

Btw i am new on this forum..This is my story..

I got my HD2 through RadioShack. I got discount for being new customer and everything plus tax cost me $115.54 on a $79.99 Even More plan.

After reading you guys I called Tmo and switched to Even More Plus. Got charged $200 cancellation fee but I got Unlmtd text - data - 500mn for $59.99 [what a deal]. Planning to use Wifi router to connect my ps3..I love this forum already:D:
[HD2 General] egzthunder1:
That was the whole point of the thread ;)
[HD2 General] geo27s:
@ Funkyrocemz

So what do you suggest? AT&T isn't any better...AT&T has the most drop calls of any service. Verizon is simple the "BEST" but they dont have good phones besided the DROID.
[HD2 General] geronemo:
I checked online website of radioshack and this deals isnt available, its probably only instore. You're sure you dont have to pay any cancellation fee to radioshack apart from paying $200 to tmobile??

This deals looks interesting, but i am planning to get the hd2 and move to att around a few months.
[HD2 General] ramsyst:
That's right it is only instore. When I called radioshack to switch plan, they just told me to call Tmo.

I got the phone really cheap and plus that i can cancel my contract whenever without paying any fees. I am loving my HD2 right now. Being able to customize it take the phone to a whole different level....WINMO ALL THE WAY:D
[HD2 General] geronemo:
If its true that i dont have to pay anything more on cancellation other than $200 to tmobile then this is the best deals out there to get hd2 quick and fast.

i will certainly look into it.

Thanks and enjoy the HD2 :D
[HD2 General] aoakes:
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[HD2 General] geronemo:
ignorant is relative. None of us are high and mighty to be calling each other ignorant or spoiled little child etc etc etc.

I believe we're allowed to give our point of views but giving each other titles just ain't on.

If you know anything about getting through to people then dude you seriously gotta change your approach :o
[HD2 General] ramsyst:
Lol wow..I can feel your rage aoakes, but listen carefully

All those carriers u talked about are aiming for profit..I you go blind to them they will rip ur bank account.

It is not a question of being cheap, but to be smarter!

I am a college student and my money is scarce!