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[HD2 General] erebusting:
I have been irritated with this for a while now -sure there are a bunch of games for windows mobile, but they are not up to par with our HD2's specs....it is disappointing. This is one of the reasons I am patiently awaiting to see android on the HD2, since the android market seems to have better games....sure games are not the sole reason I got the phone, but figuring that it can perform so much better than what they provide it- it is frustrating...

Well here is my theory on this:

Maybe it has something to with the fact that the HD2 came out recently (the USA ver just came out last month, the other came out less than a year ago I believe)

...a good supporting example is the iPhone, I remember when I first had the iPhone it did not have any games and not to mention it did not even have an app store for a while....but now look at it -sure it is practically completely inferior to our device, but it has a large dev community which leads to some nice apps/games (sure there are a lot of stupid ones, but you can look over those because their 'good ones' are better than our 'good ones' --besides the emulators, mind you).

I am just holding onto hope that the winmo community will be putting out nice games soon since devices similar to ours are going to be more common...also I have the hope that there will be android on our device one day which hopefully will bring some more options as well....

Other wise I guess I will have to develop my own?.....

Your thoughts/Ideas?
[HD2 General] wj888:
It's not just the games that's lacking, it's every other apps available on the market for windows versus android is lacking..

I cannot imagine that windows have a headstart of >5yrs in windows mobile while android is like <3yrs, but ANDROID have apps and games that are useable, fun and good and free or cheap to buy (JUST LIKE THE IPHONE apps)!.

What's up with microsoft ? I don't know. One thing's for sure, I will buy the android when my telco contract is up or when I sell my HD2 whichever is ealier.
[HD2 General] erebusting:
See, I am still within the 30 days where I am able to return my HD2....(until the 24th that is...) but I do not think I will do so,but I am thinking about it a lot...

I do not think I will do so for a few reasons - It is actually one of the best phones out right now, also it is a lot nicer than my past phone (iPhone 2g) except for the issue discussed in the OP ...also I have not used my chance to upgrade for a few years and so I thought I might as well take advantage of it because I could have upgraded twice by now with how long I waited for a new phone ... now my final reasons for keeping it: there's nothing better for T-Mobile (for the price I got it for at least) and that I have a lot of hope of what I stated in the OP about games coming some day otherwise android will hopefully come through...

I tried to get the Nexus One, but I have a family plan and would have to pay about 500$ for it which is ridiculous to me.

BTW

wj888

- what do you mean 'I will buy the android..."...sounds like you are referring to a device named 'the android' which there is none (of which I know of at least)....

thoughts/Ideas?
[HD2 General] Chastiser:
i think that now the HD2 is available in the states that there is a good chance more apps will appear. however, it could be that developers are waiting for windows 7 on the phone and then microsoft may well provide more interest in growth.

Mike
[HD2 General] erebusting:
I wonder if there is anyone with an opposing theory or something to change my mind...
[HD2 General] lquigley:
return

Just return it, get, or wait for something that will make,& keep you happy. Don't second guess yourself, & wish you had waited for new device.. This will be around after the others come out, look them all over, then decide,,,, I love mine!!
[HD2 General] zarathustrax:
With WinPhone 7 coming soon, you're not going to see as much development for WinMo. I wouldn't expect many more games being made for it. And don't plan on an android port anytime soon. If you don't like the device now, return it while you can. There are going to be plenty of comparable phones in the coming months. If you don't like it now, you're gonna be wishing you weren't stuck with it for 2 years when you keep seeing all these other phones coming out that you wish you could get. Remember, WinPhone 7 is coming at the end of the year with X-Box Live support and much more gaming options. If gaming is that important to you, you should wait for something else. I'm happy playing all the old playstation games on my HD2... that's plenty of gaming for me.
[HD2 General] enak:
How? Is there an emulator available?

Edit: Found on google FPSEce
[HD2 General] erebusting:
yeah I like everything about it except the fact of the non existent games. So I think I will return it and have to return to using my iPhone 2g (sigh...haha)...

is there anything out there with a 1Ghz+ CPU that works with Tmobile USA 3G? ...besides the Nexus One ?

Also, I was thinking if I keep it, I can try and sell it then use that for another phone? I guess that is not really a smart idea though right ?....

As for all of you who say you really love the phone, do you not game much on your phone to care about this issue ? What do you do with your phone, if I may ask?

I am in a tough spot ....

also another thing which might change some minds : I upgraded in the store, now Online it still will let me upgrade the same line to another phone again as if I did not even upgrade at all? Is that usual?... I Was excited when I noticed this, but I am not sure if this is how it usualy is or whats going on....so if I return it , I may loose the chance to upgrade twice ? IDK

Please advise....
[HD2 General] jamieeeee:
Well to reply to ur question what i do with it (absolutely love everything about it)

besides using it for texting, calling, mailing i watch youtube movies, series with coreplayer. and i also play games. i am going to explain what.

you can find a lot of fun flash games on the web, use this and u can play them on ur hd2!

I also use FPsece for some fun psx games. buy a msi bluetooth gamepad if u really want optimal gaming experience. also i found some fun games in this topic. especially the one where there is only a demo available for looks really good :)

i hope i helped you :)
[HD2 General] MalekoUK:
There are quite a lot of games out there that work for the HD2, ones I have on mine:

Kiwi

Sonic Racing

Tower Defence

Galaxy Hopper

Caver

Experiment 13

G-Invaders

PocketSand

Crayon Physics

Hunting

Tripplix

Worms

Mini Galf - Wacky World

Flight Commander

Prince of Persia

Pocket Mini Golf 2

Totem Star

Splinter Cell Conviction

Spinballs

You just gotta look for them, good places to look at the EA mobile store and Gamesloft - just to name a couple.

Quite a few are appearing on the Market Place now.
[HD2 General] erebusting:
I am looking for more graphic intense games...at least some which would put some of that nice hardware to good use....

Those flash games look decent -I will try them out...

I dont know what to say I may just return my HD2 and wait for something else to come out....? Does anyone have anything to add/ mention in that regard ?
[HD2 General] Toss3:
If you want simple and fun games WM is not for you simple as that. I love the fact that I can play old PSX games on my phone as I've found most of the games available on the iPhone below par. Sure they might look better, but the bottom line is that great graphics not a good game make. FF VII still blows anything available on either android or iphone away. Tekken 3 runs pretty good as does Gran Turismo 2 and I got em both for under 10€.

Doubt we'll see great mobile games on a windows based phone until WP7.
[HD2 General] Kalavere:
Buy a PSP if you want a games console, it's a phone, and a very powerful one at that. With a handful of addictive games, and the entire PSX/NES/SNES/GBA back catalogue I am very happy with the games avaliable, not that I use it for playing games that's why I have a PS3, that I never use... But that's another story.
[HD2 General] cr2069:
There are tons of games for Windows Mobile, and part of them work fine in HD2. So far, I have installed more than 20 games on it and I am still going for more. A lot of games have WQGA version which is good for HD2. Even VGA version is fine.
[HD2 General] pack21:
well come to Windows Mobile world.

For those who wants a good app store....buy Iphone, Android devices or Palm pre webOS.

MS dont want HD2 owners upgrade to WM7, because they want we live in dead WM app store.

PS: But we have a lot o based stock roms....nice.....we can flash HD2 with a diferent version rom, every days...lol
[HD2 General] efjay:
Doesnt anybody have the intelligence anymore to RESEARCH before going out and buying a product? Another thread where someone saw the HD2 and said "Oooh, shiny!) and bought it without having a clue what OS it runs or how it works and now moans about lack of this, lack of that. All that seems to matter to people now is whether it is free or cheap, I wonder how many people would be willing to work for free?

I despair of the human race, stupidity seems to be the new Black!
[HD2 General] erebusting:
wth are you talking about this thread has nothing regarding that I "knew nothing about the OS"...

this is just another post of some condescending person looking to talk down to someone when they do not even read the specific issue...stop trying to up your post count....

any ways -I was well aware of windows mobile and I had it before in the past actually, but man I thought the games would be improved for the most part they are still the same type of games provided in WM5 - 2D cheap excuse for an 'arcade' game...they are actually the same kind of games found on every other phone out there (just about!)...believe me I had many phones and I may be young but I have seen these types of games on phones for ages and honestly since this is such a big improvement in a phone then I would have though the games would suit the hardware but no...so I guess I will be returning the HD2 and waiting for something else to happen in the phone scene...
[HD2 General] zarathustrax:
The main issue is that there are so few WinMo devices with specs this good... HD2, LG Expo, maybe a couple other. It's not really worth it to design a game that makes use of this hardware when it won't work with most WinMo phones.

But actually, I'm VERY happy with the gaming options for the HD2 with being able to play almost any psx, nes, snes, gba, etc game out there with multitouch onscreen controls. What other phone can do that? It's the only phone I can play final fantasy 7,8 & 9 on at full speed... so even if i was a big gamer, i would still pick the HD2 for the huge library of games it can emulate VERY WELL. I wouldn't want to much more gaming on my phone... I'd get a PSP for portable gaming if I was a big gamer.
[HD2 General] erebusting:
not to say I am a big gamer though, just when I sit down to play some games I would like there to be some nice games available besides emulators which I can play on my PC and otherwise I do not mind not playing them so much....

This phone is already outdated as many have said and when wm7 comes out there may be people developing games for that (which would not work with previous WM devices...) so I believe by the time that comes around I will probably go and purchase a new phone since I will return this one and have some patience for a while....

and honestly, why would I spend 2-300$ on a phone, then spend another 2-300 on a PSP, then the PSP I would have to buy each game (no free games)....so I would be spending more when in actuality I am not looking for such an intense gaming experience just one sufficient to the hardware provided would do fine....

The only thing it has are emulators which I am sure other 1ghz phones can run decently as well....

In the end if I return my phone while I have the chance I can always come back and buy it again later on when something good comes up....
[HD2 General] Kalavere:
It seems you have convinced yourself that the iPhone is the better choice for you, take the HD2 back and get a 3GS that would be my advice to you.
[HD2 General] erebusting:
lol, no thanks! but I have my iPhone 2g which I will revert back to just for the mean time.... It is not a better choice for me...I would love to have the Nexus One, Desire, or better yet the EVO 4G too bad these phones either do not work with Tmobile USA 3G or they are too expensive....I hate it... but I have to make due....

I was thinking of getting a cheap HTC Magic or even a G1 ? but then again, that would be wasting money that could go to a more superior device in the future.....I am sad to say that I will be returning the HD2 today, but like I said I may just get it again one day -but better devices would probably be out by that time in which case I would opt for them...

Another note: I believe there are too many 'old style' games because there are so many varieties of WM devices that all those games are made for a majority of the older devices/older hardware...hopefully with windows 7 having a high base spec it will allow people to develop better games from the bat: i.e. games that have smooth G Sensor encorporation @ least...etc...
[HD2 General] pakure:
ha ha ha ...search guys, search before you post "there are no games"

go to this link and see the link for a particular blog ;) and find the games ..:):) http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=655100
[HD2 General] erebusting:
this is not a 'there are no games' post.... it is about explanations/suggestions/ideas and such for WHY there are no games....
[HD2 General] aLlamaWithARifle:
I do think the only major downside of the hd2 is the lack of apps and games (besides ps1 emulator) and possibly the pain in the arse texting problems. I would love a good market place with good quality and good looking apps and games but unfortunately I doubt we will see many due to Windows 7 which is a big shame cause I love everything else about the phone
[HD2 General] erebusting:
just what I have in mind....
[HD2 General] fallenmonk:
Almost returned mine for the same reasons and the slow I.E , but as only have a 12 month contract I fiqured might as well keep it.
[HD2 General] erebusting:
12 month contract? wth ...pulled off a nice one there! hahah......

I think I will be getting the nexus one....
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] BOOGIE_BOTZ:
Hey all, just wondering which is one of the better keyboards out there. I'm tired of using the stock one, so recommend away :)
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] Destructo21:
I like swype that's the best one I think.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] DiNoise:
there are threads about this topic...

but I like Smart Keyboard Pro
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] Avalaunchmods:
+1

it is the best
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] toomuchgame441:
Can anyone reply with links I'm using fresh 2.0d and the lag on this keyboard is a little annoying at times
[HD2 General] veritas17:
I just got mine from a radioshack here in columbus, OH after all the other tmobile retail places sold out.

I bought it back on the 8th for $250 and it was kinda funky so I took it back on the 19th, got another one and they redid my buyers remorse etc. but it was @ $149 with all the discounts and rebates! I don't know why the hell it was so cheap, but I didn't hesitate and took my extra cash and bolted. So for those who haven't been locked in yet or have been thinking about it, check out radioshacks prices first.

I don't know if I got lucky or not, but I know I made some cash back on the deal and that made me happy.

P.s. I do hope the mod community comes out with a way to put android OS on this sucker.. it would scream.
[HD2 General] veritas17:
And you have to go into the stores to do it, the websites not updated like ever apparently.

I'll take a pic for people to see the add i'm talking about too.
[HD2 General] darkanubispr:
I got mine in Puerto Rico for the same price and paying only 55 bucks w/o taxes in unlimited min and internet thats a real deal
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] shokouhi:
Steve0007 used this cool blue font theme in his elegance 3 theme. Anyway, I just want the clock in the middle with 2109 as the time or better yet just the font. I saw it on xda but can not find it again here is the link to his thread to see what it looks like.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=635535

Thanks,

Shokouhi
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] USDan:
Hi all,

I've had a failed ROM update on my 32a. When I try to flash any files onto the device e.g. "fastboot flash boot boot.img" I get "remote: image type not support", when I try to erase the userdata partition (for troubleshooting, no other reason) it gives "remote: not allow", when I try to re-run the update it freezes on "SYSTEM - UNZIPPING". It doesn't show in adb.

I'm running Windows XP. I've just attempted the Kingston goldcard trick, I can use the goldcard as a micro-SD card fine, so I believe I did the procedure correctly... what should I be seeing if the goldcard was working?

Would it interrupt RUU, or would all look the same, but without "remote: not allow" errors? I don't know whether this is working or not, and aren't sure how to proceed.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] primux:
same problem and no one help
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] mumilover:
Post fastboot info... ALL of it...

Also the output of this command:

fastboot getvar version-main
[HD2 General] shimmer401:
i don't know in some stupid way i change the order of my text, but it is showen last text on the top and first text on the botton.. anyone know how to change the order vice versa? thanks
[Hero CDMA General] dragonslave02:
Ok, I found my self in one heck of a pickle some how I managed to simi brick my phone loading the vanilla lock screen, i could not load the nandroid backup of the rom i did before flashing the update, I could not wipe and reflash a fresh rom my phone would just get stuck in a boot loop much fun. I did find my first nandroid backup i did when i rooted it and was able to load that and get out of the boot loop.

I then reflashed DC2.07.2 and got that up and working then made a new nandroid. I then tried to load the backup i did before flashing vanilla and got stuck in the boot loop again (grrr) I tried other backups i had made and used and they all got stuck in that loop

SO I have lost all my data that i thought i had backup (should have backed up the backup lol)

And to the real reason for post

So i had notes in there that i and was wondering well really hoping that there is some way to fix a corrupted backup and get it working again so i can get all my notes?
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] IconBoy:
If I purchased a MyTouch 3G from Craigslist and then used it on ATT, how would OTA updates work when released (from TMo)?

Are OTA updates possible via WiFi or do you have to be using TMo SIM to get it to work?

Can't get out of ATT contrac for a good while but keen to try Android phone.

Can I buy a $10 prepaid SIM from TMo (if that is indeed a possibilty) and use the MyTouch that way? I don't want to buy an extra monthly paid SIM or anything like that cause that would be a waste of $ as I currently have coverage. Hope someone in he know can help. Thank you.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] kindrich:
If you purchased a MyTouch 3G from Craigslist and then used it on AT&T, you would NOT get any OTA update from T-Mobile because the updates are pushed through T-Mobile data connection, not WiFi. So even if you were using the phone on T-Mobile (say via a $10 prepaid SIM card) without a data plan, you wouldn't get the update either.

But I don't see why not getting OTA updates is such a big deal, as any official T-Mobile update will appear on XDA 10 minutes after it becomes available. Also, the joy of using Android is flash custom ROMs onto the phone, and custom ROMs are often WAY ahead of T-Mobile's.

Just so you know, AT&T will detect that you're using a smartphone and automatically sign up for a data plan (if you don't already have one) without telling you.

The myTouch is really crippled without a data plan though. For instance, the deal breaker for me is that you can't send or receive MMS (picture/video messages) without a data plan.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] harpreet1988:
I know when I had my G1, I received the cupcake OTA over wifi.

I'm on AT&T and don't have a data plan.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] IconBoy:
How would ATT know I had a smartphone if the phone is a TMo phone that is unlocked? I thought they only knew about smartphones from "their" arsenal of devices?

Can anyone confirm for sure if you would need a data plan using a non-ATT (smart)phone?

I already have a data plan (GRRR!) that I "had" to have, so hopefully I could do all the "nice" things the MyTouch can do.

I phoned TMo and asked about a $10 prepaid card for a phone purchased on Craigslist but the CSR said I had to have a monthly tariff thingy with data. Was he just trying for a hard-sell or can I indeed just get a simple cheap $10 prepaid SIM and play with the unit until it can get unlocked?

Thanks for the help.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] msgnyc:
They do automatically tack on the data plan for people who buy the Nexus 1. They are only able to tell it is a Nexus One however because Google gave them a list of all of their phones IMEIs.

If you are using a T-Mo phone or from any other carrier, their is no way for AT&T to beable to tell what kind of phone it is unless the carrier the phone oringinally belonged too decides to share their IMEI listing with AT&T. Which they don't do.

but you already have a data plan anyways so it doesn't even really matter. What sucks tho is that you are paying for the data plan and you will be stuck with EDGE. You will not beable to use AT&Ts 3G network. You should have looked for a Rogers over a T-MO.

[Edited-mainly for spelling]

WTH happened to my post count? I kno It's been awhile since I've been on but damn.........

lmao
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] IconBoy:
That would be a good idea, but being in the middle of USA, I am guessing there won't be too many people who have Canadian phones to sell on my local Craigslist.

Twice, I nearly was able to trade for a MyTouch 3G and each time, the person pulled out at the last minute :(

Will keep trying though.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] kindrich:
I'm not sure how but AT&T WILL detect that you're using a smartphone, regardless what kind of smartphone it is. I'm currently using a Sony Ericsson Xperia X1i, which is not supported by any of the US carriers. One day, I popped my friend's AT&T SIM card (he had been using a RAZR without a data plan) in and voila, I was surfin' the net after less than a second over EDGE (the X1i can't use 3G in the US). The next day, my friend checked online and a data plan was enabled for his line. Luckily, he was able to turn it off but only after an hour of explaining. He was reprimanded by the AT&T rep for putting their SIM card into an unsupported device which could potentially cause damage to their network (WTF?!!!).

And yes, the Tmo CSR was just trying to sell you the data plan. When I had my myTouch, I was using it with a prepaid SIM card without data plan and it was fine. But, ON A VERY IMPORTANT NOTE: you will need a SIM card with data plan to activate the phone. There is simply no other way around it. When I bought mine from Craiglist, I wiped the phone right on the spot and borrowed the seller's SIM card to activate it (your AT&T SIM card would work provided you have already unlocked the phone - which can be done on eBay for about $12). Luckily, back then the myTouch was still running Android 1.5 which allowed for rooting. You should do the same or don't wipe the phone until you have root it. However, if the phone is running Android 1.6 or higher, well, you're out of luck. The process is a bit more tedious. Check theunlockr.com for how-to.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] msgnyc:
They activated a data plan on your buddies account because you put his sim into your smartphone and started browsing the web with it over edge.

Did you think they weren't going to charge you for that?

They didnt know you had a smartphone. They knew you were browing the web using data.

If you hadn't begun browsing the web, they wouldn't have tacked on the data plan. They tacked on the data plan because you began using it.