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[General Topics] enatefox:
That's the vendors' fault. Also you're implying that RAM and internal memory is the same thing.

I will say though that I hate not being able to play Youtube with the screen off on Android since I could play a lecture or music video and I don't need to waste my battery or backlight life on something I'm not watching. I'm sure I could hack it around and probably easier than with an iPhone though.

I've been able to use Flash with all Hero ROMs and with the newer ones having version 10.x it just gets better. Also, notice Google updated their home page with some Flash goodies? Google also embraces HTML5, correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think that Apple's too thrilled with it.
[General Topics] slimslim:
I'm not trolling here, you're trolling the whole XDA with worthless posts like this one. Starting iPhone vs. Others here is pointless. Spending so much time and 'paper' just to prove your point seems childish unless you have some benefits out of it... Everyone knows XDA became a respected forum years ago, a forum that caught the attention of media, respected websites and bloggers, but how come that this happened without Apple's presence? And there you are, to fill up the gap, right? This is nothing but publicity. There many other forums where you can start this, or even create your own blog, but nobody would read it, would they? So just go over by XDA and bump it daily to make sure it stays on top, ok?

I see you obviously have so much time to waste, but I don't. This is my last post here.
[General Topics] :
PLEASE READ MY POST NEXT TIME. =]

I AM an end user. Not just a developer. Hardly a developer. I just have a knack for making things work. =] About as close to a developer as you could call me. Plus, I'm too much of a **** to develop and share. :D

Android is a developer's OS meaning it has nice customizations. That ALWAYS proves to be a more end user friendly device! Imagine that?

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=5812071&postcount=34

OMFG! LOOK WAT I DIDZ! I DIDZ WAT U SAYZ I CLDNT! Back on track, you're wrong. Ok? Now, bite me. I can't stand being called a damn lier. Maybe misinformed, but I never lie.

When my volume is on lowest, I have to put speaker IN my ear to hear it. It's impossible for that to be "too loud." Sorry if you have supersonic hearing, you should probably hide from the government. Headphone wise - get an mp3 player if you're that pissy about it. Or get headphones with VOLUME CONTROLS! :@!

You're comparing ANDROID not winmo. Ok? Invalid facts. I don't care how loud winmo phones are. I like how load my Android is. =] Please, get them correct if you're going to tell me to educate myself. I research EVERYTHING I say. I love knowledge, and you telling me I need it is a slap in the face. As is your ignorance.

Oh, my comparison was dead on. You're complaining about something that's something very minor. Yours would severely piss ANYONE off if they like the jeans enough. You are comparing a major idea, while mine is very minor. Now do you understand?

That first part was just you blabbing about something. Respect the requirements? Are you confused on what requirements means? I think you're looking for wants. If people don't read the specs of the phone they buy, their fault. If they BUY a phone which the screen is too small, whos fault is that? Not the people who made the phone.

Ok video with screen off: others said they want this. I'm sure you can find any song online. At least you could rip it from a youtube video and make the song yourself. Sorry, but I think if I take 10 min to rip a song I will listen to in a total of 200 hours a year will outweigh the time it will take to charge my phone over and over because of it having to run videos. Sorry, but I manage my time very closely. I'm OCD about getting all possible things done in the amount of time I have with enough to blow. =] However, if you're not, and just that damn picky, I'm sorry, as of now Android can't do this. But guess what?! Android is able to be modded to YOUR LIKING! It would take maybe 5min to reverse the code that keeps the screen on while videos are playing.

Ready for your response. As they were all wrong now that I reread, rofl.

Edit: Stfu about multitasking. Do you have ANY idea how linux sorts out its RAM usage? Please, look that up, too. Moron. Wonder why I can have music playing, browsing web, with a game running behind that and my phone STILL is fast. o.o
[General Topics] :
Sorry for double post, trying to keep one above me clean so hopefully he reads it.

Yes, Google didn't make the phone. HTC did. Once again, you're WRONG!

I understand you wanting screen off for video once in a while, and an app to do it would probably be nice. However, I'm sure it's not very common and it's not like someone's not going to buy the phone just because it doesn't do this. These companies can't please everyone's needs to the nitty gritty. That's what I was trying to explain to eaglemoron. (Not being rude to you, enatefox, sorry if it seems like I was.)
[General Topics] eaglesteve:
Not sure if we can place the blame on the vendor entirely. Google could have specified a much higher minimum specs, like what microsoft is doing now with WP7.

I see problem in both memory and storage. First, because the only way to install all the program we want now is to use APP2SD, it means that the storage card cannot really be swapped anymore. What's the size of your MicroSDHC card, enatefox?

Most of the Android phone have much higher RAM than iPhone's 256MB. Yet, the amount Android leaves for the end user is less than what iPhone leaves for the user. How is this better memory management?

There you goes. You understand that this is not a out of the world user requirement after all.

Why, Apple WILL be thrilled if the flash are using HTML5. There are many sites which have already abandoned flash and now uses "iPad friendly" videos. Youtube has been iPad/iPhone friendly for a long time already, of course.

I thought flash will only be available starting 2.2? Personally, of course, I would prefer to be able to use every video sites right away without having to wait for them to do anything. So, I'm with Android on this one. I'm not interested in getting caught in the battle between Apple and Adobe. I just want to be able to watch everything I want to watch as a user.

You said you had been able to watch flash videos although Froyo is yet to be release? Are you able to watch the videos on the www.smh.com.au? iPhone can't do that now, so it would be a nice point for Android to be able to do it.
[General Topics] eaglesteve:
I had said that it this thread is to discuss only ready tweaks that end users could apply to get the functionalities rather than having to be become a developer or hacker. But just once, I'll respond to your various statements implying these customizations are only achieveable with Android phones. What makes you think that iPhone owners with a knack for tweaking/hacking/programming cannot make similar or even more customization as you could on the Android? Are you aware of any of the customizations going on with iPhone or just parroting what everyone says, that iPhone is not customizable?

Just because you don't know how to do it does not mean others do not know how to do it or that they are not already doing it.

Is it that difficult for you to grasp this?

I know you can't stand being a damn lier. I did it to get you to spit out this information for me, that's all.

But you're still a lier regardless, because you're trying to just provide that link not even mentioning that it does not quite work!!!! And you conveniently forget to mention that it mess up the camera's normal functions!!. This is according to the user who apply the mod. He said:

And you have also conveniently forget to deal with how you could REPEAT song.

Nice try liar.

Let's just then agree to disagree.

You keep saying Android is able to be moddled to my liking (you even make TO YOUR LIKING to be all upper case), and yet everything I want something moddled (like fine volume control, like ability to control music purely with hardware key without switching on the phone, like listening to music video with the screen off or on according to user's action), then you can't do. Worst, you keep saying that I'm a moron to ask for these requirements.

Look, if you don't know how to effect those mod, don't pretend that you can do it.

I tell you what, you go away and ACTUALLY perform those mod, and release your program on the Android market place for all models of Android phones, then come back here to talk to us. Okay?

You're all smoke and no fire. Trying to pretend to be more knowledgeable and technically capable that you are. I now challenge your developer's prowess to actually deliver those customization. After all, you claim that it is just a 5 minutes job on such a customizable OS (all in your own words)

We are waiting... Don't come back with any excuses for not being able to do it. If not, just shut your foul mouth up for good.

Enough said.

I think with this, I find myself as civilised to you as you were to me.
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You don't have to be a "hacker" to customize Android. The beauty of Linux is that it's pretty damn easy. I never once said it's impossible to do with iPhone. I just pointed out Android can do it.

Are you able to grasp that?

First, I laughed. Am I the only one who realizes when you set repeat ONCE it sticks forever? Oh, I'm not? Only you don't know this? :/ Sorry. A button to set repeat is pretty pointless when it's a usual one time thing. You want a button to skip so damn bad, I'm sure you won't mind using it to skip back, will you? :S

Hmm... So you can't stop. That's ONE thing you can't do. You're still able to skip to the next song.

Ok, it messes up the Camera. Big deal. Not like you can use your 3mp for anything. Lol. Third Generation's camera as horrible as first Android phone? Wow.

Either way, lets face one thing: No one buys a phone because there's hard buttons to change music. Actually, 99.9999999% of people who own a smartphone also own some type of mp3 player. My fiancee has an 120gb iPod which only has roughly 30 gb left just from MY music. Show me an sdcard that can hold that much less and iPhone that can hold an sdcard big enough to store that. You can't? So sorry. :(

Which reminds me... I love how you just conveniently missed that iPhone has NO expandable memory - and never plans on it. Best one only has 32gb? And you want to even bring music up in this argument? That's just ****ing horrible for a phone that's so big on music, compared to you. You also didn't mention how the lack of a regular USB charger makes it the most inconvenient phone to charge.

Lets.

No quote back on how you can just buy headphones with volume controls which you should anyways because they're always better if you actually spend the money on them? I didn't think so. **** a hardware key. Honestly, I like my two competition 12s and my 350 each RMS speakers sitting in my doors. I could care less about a phone that couldn't even hold all the music I'd want it to. Sorry. I'm sure that's not what people think when they buy it anyways.

JESUS CHRIST. Did you completely fail to read AGAIN? Let me make this readable for your straining eyes:

I AM an end user. Not just a developer. Hardly a developer. I just have a knack for making things work. =] About as close to a developer as you could call me. Plus, I'm too much of a **** to develop and share.

CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? Oh, reminds me... all user feedback says iPhone call quality is horrible... Never had a problem with an Android phone. ;)

Keep it coming. This movie is burning nice and slow. I got nothing to do.
[General Topics] eaglesteve:
Laughing my arse off.

First, tried to show off you are both a user and developers (In your word, You are a user, NOT JUST DEVELOPER). Can't stop bragging how easily you could mod your Android phone. Come up with non-working solution and pretending that you are so superior. When challenge to do some mode which in your word would take just 5 minutes, you backed off.

I kept telling you that this thread is for ordinary users, and solution proposed here must not require hacking and special technical skills. You keep saying that you and your classmates are all both users and developers all in one, and that you could do any modification TO MY LIKING in 5 minutes. Now you're looking for a place to hide when challenged to do it.

Why don't you simply admit that you do not know how? Oh, I see, it's not easy to admit it? Or is it easier to just perform those modification exactly to my liking? It will just take 5 minutes x 3 to do, after all. Now I'm still challenging you to do it. Ok, don't share with me. Just do it and do a video on youtube to prove it, okay?

Or, I tell you what. You personally do the mode, share it with everyone else, and I promise you that I immediately buy an HTC Supersonic GSM version when it is release, and I will pay tribute to you on at least 10 iPhone forums, praising you and your role in effecting the conversion of an iPhone fanboy to Android. Deal?

Or is there ANYTHING you like me to do, to just get you to prove that YOU can perform those modification as a user cum developer so easily on this OS platform?

See how I'm bending backward, almost begging you to do it? What other reasons do you have now for not doing it?

Strictly speaking we should not be allowing solutions requiring developer/hacker skills on this thread, but ONLY for you, I like to make the exception of allowing a developer to do these mod. I actually don't yet have an Android phone to benefit from your work, but I'm sure the Android community at large will thank you for it if you do this for them.

If I can spur you on to develop something nice for the Android community, I would feel that I've done something positive today. So kids, I'm waiting for your customization. 15 minutes have passed, but you can take your sweet time. Come back when you got the result.
[General Topics] enatefox:
Google could have specified a much higher minimum specs, but they didn't to keep costs lower for better market entry. The RAM on my phone is pretty good and with Linux you don't want a lot of free memory anyway. Unlike Windows, free RAM is wasted RAM and the OOM handles what gets to stay in it which I think is pretty efficient.

I was conceding a point that iPhone has that one feature of video play while the screen is off but that I could fix it easier with Android.

Flash was outdated until 2.2 came out (the sources are out there) and current versions (I think 7 or 8) is not compatible with a lot of sites like lala.com (owned by Apple) which requires 10 however the Flash plugin test works, various sites too but it's hit or miss depending on the website designer's required specs.
[General Topics] dsymbol:
Honestly, I first hated the Iphone just because every chic & every kid has it, loves it, & praises it. You could call me ignorant because 1 of my favorite responses to the Iphone users was the picture comparing a stone vs an Iphone.

However, I have to give Steve credits for bringing up Pro's & Con's of 2 platforms/OS's.

The guy came here not to flame anyone or sway any of us to purchase the iphone. I think he simply compares the Pro's & Con's of 2 platforms, so himself can make better decision on the next purchase. Conveniently, some of us, like myself, here benefit from this thread too, so please give the guy a break.
[General Topics] eaglesteve:
Thank you dsymbol for your kind words.

It is so fashionable to jump on anyone who dare ever to mention anything positive at all about iPhone, at the end missing out the real information.

I think by these comparison, any Android developer, hacker, or tweaker could at least get some idea on which potential applications they could come up with to also benefit the Android community. So, I'll be sad if people become defensive and feel that my intention of starting this thread is just to push my agenda. Gosh, what agenda could I possibly have? Does anyone seriously think that I was sent by Steve Jobs to evengelise Android users?

Let me say it loud and clear one last time:

I want to know what Android could do before iPhone HD and HTC Supersonic arrives in a few weeks/months time. I want to know which one to go to. I'm honestly attracted by the hugh 4.3 inch screen but don't want to make the decision without PROPER comparison and research. I could have read the thousands and thousands of thread on all the Android subforums here but I thought it would be much much easier to just discuss with anyone with interest in this topic, but could speed up the process with their Android experience, like I could speed up on the iPhone side. So, we're helping each other here to understand what each OS could really really offer.

I did expect once in a while to have trolls coming here to shout abuses to me, so don't worry too much about it. I'm prepared to face them as they come along.
[General Topics] eaglesteve:
Is it possible for you to release it as a program which works on all Android version. The customization must not take away the ability to show the video when user need it though. It is mean to give users the OPTION to turn the video off, and play the sound with the phone off, but when he wants it, he must still be able to watch the moving pictures.

I encourage all customization to be in the form of program installation. Install it, the customization is done. Uninstall it, the customization is removed. That approach has made customizations so easy to effect on iPhone.

If all the Android technical gurus wants to go through this thread and pick up ideas on why iPhone is so attractive, then transfer all the idea back to Android, I think the Android community will benefit. What I have mentioned so far are by no means all the customizations which iPhone users have been enjoying but almost unknown to the non-iPhone world because of various reasons. I had for example described the kind of web browsers iPhone users are enjoying already. Yet people think that Opera Mini would just walk in to claim the browser crown. In reality, Opera Mini just does not stand a chance with the kind of competition among browsers for iPhone. I don't even want to use Safari. None of these are efficient or functional enough. So, someone might want to develop a browser of the kind of calibre that I described.

That's what I thought too. When I was using winmo, in theory we were supposed to be able to play flash, but not really so in practice.

I understand that Froyo's flash support includes HARDWARE ACCELERATION, and that excites me because I hope the sluggish loading and playing of video could be a thing of the past. Does anyone have the chance to try out at least the beta version of Froyo and see the actual performance of Flash yet?
[General Topics] JAguirre1231:
No "beta" of FroYo is out yet. Google keeps the next iteration of Android is private repositories for internal testing (You can't put something out in public that will potentially break phones). Even if there was, there is not a leaked version of the flash (and the beta is not yet out) and I think that it will have Flash put in later, near FroYo's completion.
[General Topics] eaglesteve:
Does the hardware acceleration still work on older Android phones I wonder.

Is that regardless of OEM's hardware?
[General Topics] designerfx:
Honestly?

I take his whole route of trying to call it a polite debate a nice way of saying that this guy, who is biased as exclusively an iphone user, seems to lean heavily pro-iphone on everything he says.

I find it insulting to see someone do this. It'd be like me going to a mac forum and saying "I'd like to compare android vs iphone" when I only have an android phone, while maintaining politeness through the thread. Yes, you can be nice, but it doesn't make you any less disgenuous from the start. This is about the level of scientology debate, and I find it as bad as it can get. He's preying on people who don't have as much knowledge as he has, and thats why this is minded towards "nontechnical users".

The guy literally tries to provoke threads saying it can't be a technical solution for things. This is straight up BS. Why? Can someone do X technical solution on android? Barring VOIP on data, probably yes. Can they on iphone? Again, probably yes. Does the question matter either way ? No. This is why it's disgenuous.

This thread is mental poop, and I mean that in the most aggressive way possible aimed towards eaglesteve, who I'd like to see stop trying to promote this thread via other threads. I find that inappropriate as this thread is by itself.
[General Topics] dsymbol:
Point taken designerfx.

In my point of view, the more we know about the Pro's & Con's of 1 product vs the other, the better purchase decision we can make.

When companies are competing, In the end, the consumers win.

As a consumer, I'd love to see the whole Apple gurus bring out their big guns to battle with the whole Android gurus. In my personal opinion, if this ever happens, it's a win-win situation for me.

Lets just agree with you that Steve is a rep from Apple (I dont care if he is), I still want to get educated about Apple's products. Apple is a reputable company don't you think.

Android is not matured yet, everyone agrees to this. Yet, we're getting Android. Why? Because of brand loyalty. Because of interests in new gadget. Because of personal preference (for my case, I love HTC) ect..

Knowing the product inside out will always help us make better purchase decision.

I think we're not losing anything at all!!! :-)
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I'm not going on with this. It's clear you're just NOT READING. I'm saying it's possible. When the **** did I ever say I could? I CAN'T! Did I ever once say I could? No! Do I want to? No! I'm not saying I'm NOT a developer, either. I said I'm hardly a developer. Please, if you're going to say what I'm saying means something else, please take the time to bust out a dictionary.

See you have one problem with this: YOU'RE POSTING ON A DEVELOPER FORUM! :O! No, did you know that? Why the **** would I care about my phone being stock? Did you know I didn't own my phone for more than 2 hours stock? That's the whole POINT of this forum. No one here has stock! We all here know how to do this, or at least get it done with help! Could you ever imagine that from xda-developers?

Real quick, my solution did work for the most part. See, you might not be able to use camera, I bet you could remap hard keys to do just the same. Possibilities are endless. But why are we focusing on something so minor? You seem to just have ignored what I said add to the list (which I've noticed you do EVERY time):

Actually. I was going to rewrite it, let me quote it. And please, next time READ MY POST! I have enough respect for you to read all of yours, at least show the same.

Did you get it this time?

And man, do you realize your whole post was asking me to do something I've stated numerous times I CAN'T do. I've simply said they were p-o-s-s-i-b-l-e. Now, please read my post.

Oh, I'm sorry I took long. My fiancee was pretty *****y last night about me not watching a move with her. I was waiting for your response and I'm sorry I couldn't respond in a timely manner, but please, add what I've stated if you're really here to not just bash android.

Oh, you also need to learn HOW Android multi-tasks. I promise you, it's nothing like you think it is. ;)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] veerm:
Does anyone knows how can i get a NO FLIP DIGITAL clock. I don't like the flip and have tried looking in this forum but couldn't find any.

I am using 6.5.x rom...

Kindly point me to right place ;)

Thanks
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] veerm:
Over 120 views but no help :(:(:(

I guess there is no way to get a "no flip" digital clock on manila...

If great devs at xda cant than its not possible
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] esociarius:
Good evening veerm

I use a cab from the thread "xda-developers > HTC Leo: HD2 > HD2 Themes and Apps > Disable flip clock initial animation" which works on my Artemis 8.0 German. It disables the initial flip when comming back to the homescreen.

Best regards

esociarius