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[General Topics] eaglesteve:
It's not wise to look at only one single aspects of your need to make decision because you may pay too high a price in the other areas. Anyway if you're really really wanting to only look at this requirement alone, then leave out iPhone because it can only record outgoing call (e.g., with Acrobits Softphone) but not incoming calls. Winmo phones are excellent in this area. Not sure about Android.

Edit: I take it back. I was wrong to say that iPhone can't do it. It can be done with an application by the name of "CallRec.me" mentioned here:

http://forum.tipb.com/iphone-develo...itasking-phone-call-recorder.html#post1568474 It records both incoming and outgoing calls. Be aware of the legal framework of such practice though, but that's out of topic issue here. It's suppose to work not just in US but also outside US. I don't know all the details yet, but hopefully that'll give you a headstart in your investigation.

Cheers.
[General Topics] valianci:
Thank you very much for your answers.

With any WinMo 6.5 device I can record incoming and outgoing calls? Any device recommendation?
[General Topics] eaglesteve:
I was using VITO audio note back then. Worked quite well for me. I think it will work on any winmo phone in the market today still.
[General Topics] valianci:
what is your phone?
[General Topics] eaglesteve:
Now I'm using iPhone 3GS. Then, I was using HTC Touch HD.
[General Topics] timp123:
I have a Palm Centro, and I've been using the app CallRec for years. I believe it was $20, but you can always pirate it if you're cheap. It runs in the background and records every call to a folder on the SD card, named with the phone number, date, etc. Excellent record quality, and it's actually the only reason I haven't upgraded my phone yet. I love having an archive of all my calls, especially when dealing with lying customer-service reps.
[General Topics] voguecn:
I use G1 now...
[General Topics] gllu:
Does somebody know if the new FroYo firmware will support call recording?
[HTC Excalibur] Frostmoon:
I keep seeing WM 6.1 UI TWEAK the program that is freeware but I can never find one that wants to install onto my phone, always says it was developed for another version and the install fails, if there a UI TWEAK for the HTC Excalibur?
[HTC Excalibur] crz6662:
What are you trying to tweak ? These cabs are for 1 that's called V2R Active UI. I used to use this and I know I had it working but it's been so long since I used it, I can't for the life of me remember how. Possibly not compatible with 6.1 or 6.5, don't know. Maybe you can play with it. Included an editor. Actually started playing with it now. Let ya know if I work it out. Good Luck.
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AndroidFAN101:
ok so last night i decided to root my HTC HERO SPRINT..

so i put on this dialer and task bard and what not cool worked fine( its by Godzson) now i tryed doing other stuff like the main screen start up and stuff nothing seem to work..I downloaded this Nexus 1 start up

its colors going into eachother into a X so that was cool

then i put a theme on my SDCARD to see if worked it booted it up working fine then all of a sudden phone was being weird and it loads the nexus thing but nothing else

it freezes with the nexus thing someitmes but im stuck at boot up! help:(

i tryed a wipe and recovery to factory settings now im stuck..im stuck at this X thing..help!!!:(:(

im phoneless..
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] smw6180:
Restore from the nandroid I'm SURE you made before you started messing with things.

If you for some reason didn't do a nandroid backup then wipe data/factory, dalvik cache, and SD:Ext if you have apps2sd installed.
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AndroidFAN101:
my dumbass didnt do the nandroid :/

i did this already i restarted phone and that gay ass Nexus X with the colors still comes on and stays like that sometimes the colors would freeze but it would fix itself and keep moving

im totally F'd..
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scirio:
Easy fix - you will start from scratch (like a brand new phone)

- Go to http://www.geekfor.me

- Download the 1.56.xxxx RUU onto your PC (not Mac)

- Double click RUU file and let it extract 9you may have to click 'OK' or 'Extract All' - It will create a folder of stuff - dont click anything yet...

- Power off your phone (remove battery and put back in if needed) and hold volume-up while it boots. You should see a white screen with text on it.

- Plug it in to your PC now via USB

- Back in that folder you just extracted double click the HTC logo icon (i forget the name) to start the process. It'll flash your phone to stock.
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] smw6180:
BEFORE you try that...because it has problems for some people:

Did you:

A. Wipe data/factory reset

AND

B. Wipe Dalvik-Cache?
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AndroidFAN101:
Alright cool thanks ill try this..

if you guys dont know what the hell im talking about i can probably hook up this webcam i have and make a video lol
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AndroidFAN101:
Yes i did.
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AndroidFAN101:
Well lame..it says my battery is not charged up past 30 percent..ima have it charge for a little bit and see what will happen

wish me luck!
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scirio:
Good luck. I've RUU'd 3 times without issue and it was dead simple.
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] unCoRrUpTeD:
some people have problems with ruu and some don't. I would get back to recovery, enable sd card (forgot which option it is), and put a downloaded ROM onto the sdcard. wipe everything and then flash the ROM. sounds like you might have tried flashing something for 2.1 if you have 1.5 or the otherway around. Flashing the ROM should work.

Sent from my HERO200 using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] centran:
Didn't someone tell you in the other thread you started to do a nandroid backup before you do anything?

Oh yeah... here it is

I hope you learned your lesson and will do backups.

Another lesson you do not want to learn the hard way is what ROMs you can put on your phone. In case you didn't I read what I wrote in your other thread I will restate... BE CAREFUL WHAT ROMS YOU PUT ON YOUR PHONE!!! There are GSM ROMs which will completely fry your phone and you will not be able to recover. Also, if you put any other phone model ROM on your phone it will be toast.
[Hero CDMA Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] unCoRrUpTeD:
I didn't even realize that other thread was from him too. I also told him to nandroid and not to download anything for gsm.

Don't start a thread and not read everything posted in it, especially when you are asking for help.

I did my Rooting the long way through adb, so I don't know how Fresh Kitchen works on that end, but maybe he should say right after rooting to do a nandroid. I have my first nandroid on one of my backup sd cards, my computer, and on my current sd card. I'll be damned if I delete all 3.
[Desire General] abc27:
I've just had a read through the entire warranty statement and I haven't found any clauses to state that "Software modifications unauthorized by HTC will render the warranty void". In fact I see nothing even remotely like that in the entire warranty statement. Does this mean that HTC will still honour the warranty no matter what the software condition on the phone? Warranty statement or not, aren't manufacturing defects covered under EU law (For the Europeans among us :D) anyway so no matter what HTC say they have to honour the warranty if the fault is a manufacturing defect?
[Desire General] ronnyuk:
Should be no different to the nexus

What kind of things can void the warranty coverage?

Here are a few examples of actions that void the warranty coverage:

rough handling of the device

exposure of the device to extreme conditions

tampering with the device, including removal or defacing of the serial number, IMEI number, or water indicator

unauthorized opening or repair of the device

tampering with or short-circuiting the battery

unlocking the bootloader using the fastboot program

Taken from http://www.google.com/support/android/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=166519

Also check with your carrier, in the UK etc our contract is with the person who provided the phone not the Manufacturer, so T-Mobile etc would be the person honouring the warranty.
[Desire General] abc27:
That's the nexus one though. For warranty purposes these are two totally different devices. It's what in the warranty statement they sold us the device with that counts. Reading through it now I see everything you mentioned there besides unlocking the bootloader.

In any case, surely our statoury rights have more weight than a warranty statement. If there is a manufacturing defect they must replace, refund or repair. That's my understanding of the law regarding electronic goods anyway.
[Desire General] abc27:
I've just read through a scan of the Nexus One warranty statement

Check your warranty statement. Article 7 in the HTC Desire warranty statement is precisely the same except it does not feature section h.

In fact the entire warranty statement is identical barr that one section.
[Desire General] abc27:
Can anyone else confirm this? Afaik my phone is a UK model. Anyone on the continent want to confirm their phone also has the same warranty statement? Maybe some of the branded phones' statements aswell?
[Desire General] adjei7:
I have a desire from the UK on T-mobile. Just scanned through my warranty and dont have 'h'.
[Desire General] carrige:
Took a look at my warranty too, Clause 4 actually states that

I would take this to mean that 'software' refers to the OS/Android, i.e. rooting should not be an issue? I suppose it just means that they won't repair (under warranty) if you bricked your phone with a bad flash or something.
[Desire General] rhedgehog:
indeed, the warranty only covers the device as supplied (or updated using the correct update) by HTC. If you rooted the device, it is not 'as supplied' and they would refuse the warranty (if they noticed)

As for your statutory rights, they have nothing to do with HTC.

All your statutory rights are with the retailer you bought the device from. In my case, that is t-mobile. Warranty and statutory rights are completely separate and have no bearing on each other whatsoever.
[Desire General] FloatingFatMan:
Actually, statutory rights are more relevant to the manufacturer than they are to the retailer, especially when it comes to claiming on the warranty for faults.
[Desire General] landwomble:
Just as a data point, I have in the past had an HTC product with a blatantly-custom ROM (MrClean on an HTC Artemis) repaired by HTC UK under warranty. YMMV, obviously. It came back with stock ROM and a curt note on the engineer sheet but they did repair it. The guys I spoke to at HTC prior to sending it in said it probably wouldn't be a problem, but if it were one of the O2-branded variants (which had a slightly different casing) then warranties go back to O2, and they might not be so forgiving.

This isn't *directly* relevant to this discussion, but it's my experience of HTC UK.

Once the T-Mobile ROM is extracted we'll have a rollback, I guess.

If it comes down to it, and I have an un-related hardware, I'd go back to T-Mobile and tell them that the onus is on them to prove that the problem I had was caused by software if they got funny about it.
[Desire General] rhedgehog:
I have to disagree with you on that one.

The sale of goods act sets out the rights you have with your retailer under your contract of sale. these are your statutory rights, and they are all with the retailer, not with HTC.

All the government advice even states that the retailer should NOT refer you to the manufacturer, as under the sale of good act the Retailer is responsible, not the manufacturer.

HTC have no requirements under the sale of goods act that i can see.
[Desire General] FloatingFatMan:
I used to work in retail. The retailers responsibilities end after 90 days, then you go to the manufacturer.
[Desire General] abc27:
No it doesn't. The retailer is fully responsible as you have made a contract with them and not HTC. That said all the retailer do is send it off to HTC on your behalf anyway so it's not as if you need to go to the retailer.

So I am fairly certain now that our warrantys will be safe when a root comes out. No there are no major downsides to rooting
[Desire General] souljah777:
Why not ask T-Mobile?

I couldn't see in the thread whether anyone has actually contacted T-Mobile to ask them. Surely this would be the best option. I'll fire them an email (if I can get one to them) and ask them and post whatever reply I get.
[Desire General] abc27:
Technically the warranty statement has more legal backing than what anyone at T-Mobile will tell you.
[Desire General] nicelad_uk:
I also used to work in Retail, I was a manager of a store and we held the warranty in store for the year. I worked for a quite big chain so it was the same in all our retail stores over the UK.
[Desire General] haggisuk99:
Rooting and romming WILL affect your warranty as it will affect whether or not you can claim your statuory rights under the sales of goods act. Basically you will allow the manufacturer the right to choose whether to honour the agreement or not. They may or may not it will simply be a chance you take.

Btw your contract of sale is held with the shop and not the manufacturer and a shop can be held liable for up to 7 years under the European Electrical directive concerning durability to sale of goods

if anyone is interested I can write it up in full on how it affects you, I used to own mobile phone shops so i am very versed with the laws governing this sort of thing,
[Desire General] abc27:
That's the point of this thread. The Nexus One's warranty statement specifically states that unlocking the bootloader voids the warranty. The HTC Desire's warranty statement makes no mention of this whatsoever so therefore HTC have no legal ground to void the warranty as it is not a clause in their end user licence agreement/warranty statement.
[Desire General] rhedgehog:
as we've already stated in this and other threads, the warranty states that HTC warranty the device as provided. Any modification and technically you void this clause and therefore the warranty.

Now obviously, they are not counting the installation of third party apps as modification, and no reasonable manufacturer would. but modifying the underlying OS will kill your warranty.

Also, as already stated haggis, the sale of goods act is with the RETAILER not HTC.

As for the 90 days thing, that may have been your store's policy, but it is certainly not the law. That's why many retailers get a bad name, because one they have your cash, they don't give a sh**, and most consumers don;t have a clue what they are entitled to under the law. The law states a 'reasonable amount of time'. I would expect my phone to last longer than 90 days, and so does the law, and therefore even me coming back 9 months later is still a reasonable time.

Lots of us have worked for retailers, we just didn't all work for shonky ones with dodgy policies.
[Desire General] landwomble:
A manufacturer can put what they want into a warranty document, it doesn't make it law. SOGA protects customer with the retailer who sold them the phone, not the manufacturer. The fact some retailers prefer to palm you off to the manufacturer doesn't mean it's a legal necessity.
[Desire General] abc27:
If so then why are the two warranty statement identical barr the one clause that states unlocking the bootloader voids the warranty?
[Desire General] souljah777:
Answer from T-Mobile

I've just had the following reply from T-Mobile regarding rooting the phone:

"Thanks for your email David, asking me whether the warranty for the HTC Desire is voided if the bootloader is unlocked by you (allowing third party OS installation) using the fastboot program.

I've checked the details and I'm glad to inform you that it is HTC phone is voided for you to use any other software or operating system with it."

The English isn't great but I think the message is reasonably clear. I know that a few of you have mentioned the legalities and someone even mentioned suing if T-Mobile got awkward but I doubt very much if anyone has the inclination or resources to go toe to toe with a carrier the size of T-Mobile. The key point IMHO is that you can argue as much as you like within a forum but you actually have to physically get T-Mobile to fix or replace your phone if you damage it in any way and the decision as to whether they will honour the warranty if you've rooted the phone will always rest with them.

Sorry to sound so negative but I don't see what a lot of the discussion in this thread is achieving. I would dearly love to root my phone to be able to use things like Titanium but I'm not willing to risk ending up with no warranty cover to do it.
[Desire General] attn1:
The minute you import your phonebook, it is not "as supplied".
[Desire General] :
The warranty statements are specifically different because Google give you the option to unlock with that command. HTC do not.

Alas Rooting will void your warranty. you can argue against it all you like, but the fact remains that it does.

Don't let it stop you rooting your phone if that's what you want to do, but make sure you do it with the full knowledge that you do so on your own and HTC will not give you any warranty should you do so. This has always been the case and always will be.

If i cannot do what i want with my device, then i will Root. But I accept that i have no warranty once i have done it.

and the phonebook comment is just being silly:D:D:D but thanks for making me laugh. It's been a long day stuck inside when it's sunny out and i needed cheering up.
[Desire General] Aitese:
Rooting aside, does installing a generic ROM void warranty as far as people know?
[Desire General] foner78:
I'm finding the whole discussion about "where" the liability is with the warranty, because I have first hand experience of a warranty claim on an HTC device. I will first point out it was bought "sim free" from an online retailer (as is my Desire).

Shortly after I bought the device the screen totally failed. I think it was about a month after I bought it. I contacted the retailer who explained the warranty at this point was with the manufacturer. I was given contact information for HTC Europe to complete an RMA request. From that point forward I dealt only with HTC Europe, never with the retailer.

I get the phone back after a couple weeks and a week later the touch sensor stopped working. After this experience I sometimes wonder why I ever took the chance of buying another HTC device but tha aside... I went direct to HTC, completed the RMA request again and it was repaired and returned to me after a few more weeks.

This all happened about two years ago, the device was the Touch Cruise.

I'm not sure what this says about the "legal" position, and I know from past experience when you're dealing with a contract phone from a network you always deal with the network rather than the manufacturer... but I find some of the comments interesting when considered against my experiences.
[Desire General] abc27:
The warranty statement is quite clear to be honest

Article 4 reads

That is explicitly stating that the warranty applies to hardware issues ONLY and at that with the hardware as "originally supplied". Since it does not even apply to software then it doesn't matter what the software condition is.

Article 7 does not state that the warranty will be void under any conditions pertaining to software (Besides the obvious serial number/IMEI number clause). This means that software cannot affect the warranty status as they did not explicity mention it in the agreement ergo they cannot void the warranty for a reason not mentioned in Article 7.

In any case there are statoury rights that they must adhere to and the onus is on them to prove that software could have caused the hypothetical defect we are talking about. As in if for example the optical trackpad fails they are going to have to prove it was the software caused it. Nevermind what any carrier says because legally the only thing "Worth the paper it's printed on" is the end user licence agreement and warranty statement that the phone is sold with. That is what must be adhered to.
[Desire General] :
as far as i understand it, yes, as soon as you put a generic ROM on a non generic device, the warranty will be refused as you have modified it.

as for Foner78's experience, that is how it usually happens, but strictly speaking the retailer should have also been able to sort it out for you. Indeed they are legally obliged to. They should not have refused to help and should have at least offered to arrange the whole thing for you, and not just fobbed you off the HTC.
[Desire General] abc27:
On what basis can they void the warranty? The warranty statement says

The limited warranty applies only to the

hardware components of the product as originally supplied

and does not apply to software or any other equipment

Note the word order. It says "HARDWARE component of the product as originally supplied" it does not say "Hardware and software components of the product as originally supplied". In fact it says that the warranty only applies to hardware and not to software so ergo no software modification will affect the warranty. That clause is to say that hardware modifications (I.e. you replace the speaker / replace the buttons / replace the fascia) will nullify the warranty and that software does not get covered.

That is the agreement they sold the phone with and it must be adhered to. Nothing outside of that agreement matters warranty wise (Besides your statoury rights)
[Desire General] :
Again with the statutory rights. get those out of your head. HTC are not a retailer, you have no contract of sale with them, and so they do not apply.

as for the warranty, i'll have a look later and find the clause they'll use. but i'm off to the pub first!
[Desire General] abc27:
True that, I do not have a contract of sale with them but I do have one with whoever I bought the phone from and they must adhere to the statement that they are selling the phone with.

I've already read through the warranty a million times and cannot find even one clause that could be used in this case.
[Desire General] walkerx:
why do people keep going on about htc and their warranty and will they repair the product for you.

if you have any issues with the phone (or anything else you buy) the first port of call is the retailer, and no matter how much they try to tell you to contact the manufacturer, they are responsible, even if the warranty is 1,2,3 or 5 years it is the reseller you go back to too, not the manufacturer.