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[Off-topic] xManMythLegend:
Among phones..sure. The poster was talking about MP3 players though.

Outside of 2 lines ((i forget which sorry too many iterations, 2nd gen original and first gen shuffle ? had some damn good audio chipsets and software.)) Ipods have never had the best sound reproduction when compared to there peers.

To answer the other poster mp3s have been embedded into the portable PC smartphone market so I dont know anything about pure mp3 players the last 2 years or so.

I will say over the years Creative , Sony always had superb sound quality.

Archos imo always had the best combination of SQ,feature sets and players in terms of portable media players. All have shortcomings though so theres no perfect choice.

Archos/Zune have been superior choices if audio/video playback are the only thing youre looking for. But its hard to argue against an ipod touch because of the stellar browsing and APPS.
[Off-topic] BrooklynAvi:
While I'm all for improvements to the N1 and Android in general, I'm not sure what the big deal is with the music player. It plays music and does it well. I have 11GB of music on my N1 and listen for hours every day. Why would anyone with an N1 also own a separate music playing device? Makes no sense to me. Again, I wouldn't mind improvements but it really isn't the end of the world.

On another note, why can't us TMO people who have owned a G1, myTouch and now an N1, and who have been with Android since the beginning get some Incredible love? I hate having to use a2sd.

Sent from my Nexus One using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk
[Off-topic] imperiallight:
Apple are not competing against Android, don't make me laugh. They are mostly competing against themselves and the enticement of apps for users on Jailbroken phones. Its costing them a fair bit of revenue, so they are rapidly reducing the reasons to jailbreak.

Most users can't afford or don't want to spend money mobiles such as iphones, fact. Android is a cheaper and decent alternative.
[Off-topic] imperiallight:
Yeah, Apple is all about the buck and protecting its trademarks and will exert any kind of control to keep it successful. But the return to the user is akin to a nice hotel experience where you are looked after and a spa to boot.

I think the gap between the two platforms will considerably decrease within the next two years partly due to the rise of cross platform development and partly due to the mass take up of Android by cheap phones but its not there yet.
[Off-topic] Jack Everyman:
The thing I don't understand about Apple fans is that Apple actually thinks their customers are too stupid to use the Google Voice dialer and the regular iPhone Dialer. They have actually filed this opinion with the FCC. Think about that. Apple to get out of admitting any sort of anti-competitive practices Apple actually said "Our customers are too stupid to handle this app."

Also why come to an HTC/Android forum to troll this and expect anything except bashing of how unrevolutionary your device is. In fact the only think remarkable about the iPhone is that people think it is remarkable.
[Off-topic] jz9833:
Apple is not competing against android? Have you missed this whole apple trying to sue HTC thing?

Or how about how android market share continues to grow? Yes apple still has the vast majority, but not as much as it used to have.

I spent just as much on my n1 as i would an iphone 3GS, fact. So the cost issue doesnt apply to anyone on this section of the forum.

I'm sorry but you and your friends might be the only people I know who weren't annoyed by not having multitasking. Others have gotten used to it, but when I showed them what my n1 could do, they were jelous.
[Off-topic] charnsingh_online:
and about apple multitasking, it is the same multitasking that happens when u press back button on a app that has the potential to multitask, all the features they say already exist in android, android has both true and false multitasking like u can press back button while uploading photos to facebook, the uploads wont stop, u can press back button after starting pandora it wouldnt stop music, and for true multitasking u have the home button
[Off-topic] imperiallight:
If you want to know the ways in which Google and Android have copied Apple just let me know. I am not sure you can even come up with quarter of a list as long as things Apple have copied off Android.

My iphone is JB to the max. I have proswitcher which isn't true multitasking but its OK for me.

Anyway, I do value true multitasking, flash support, true web browsing and a few other things such as running a desktop OS, I am trying to decide between a n900 and HTC Desire ATM. But the notion that the iphone is just a toy and not something for a power user is just bunkum.
[Off-topic] jz9833:
Most people on this forum who aren't google drones will admit that apple has an easier UI system. I'd rather tell my dad for example to get an iphone so I dont have to explain to him how to use android. It's not really that much harder, but there is still more of a learning curve.

But if you are talking about a power user, i just don't see how you can go iphone over android. Yes a jail broken iphone is kind of cool (i'm more against apple's business model and their products) , but still not having widgets, true multitasking, or any way to change the core apps apple feels you must have by defination to me takes away what I would call a power user.

A poweruser to me isn't someone who just listens to music, watches movies, and surfs the net on there phone while occasionally using an app.

It's someone who likes to change things and is always doing something with their phone.
[Off-topic] fdm1:
I have an ipod touch and a N1, and it might be just me, but I actually find apple's OS more confusing than android. I also have an iMac and while I love the computer, I also think it is more confusing than windows...I can never find where the hell apple stores my stuff. I think I like having more control than apple wants me to have.
[Off-topic] SubyWill:
they're scared of Android, you haven't seen that? This OS has been out for a little over a year and it has already progressed exponentially greater than the iPhone OS. Android has also already taken out a huge chunk of the mobile market. It can only grow from here, Apple is scared and they should be.
[Off-topic] Eclair~:
I just had to lol at this, if you don't think Apple is competing with Android, then I don't know where you have been.. Steve has been making it blatantly obvious lately..
[Off-topic] grainysand:
But of course, they sued HTC for no reason. Android's totally unrelated to that lawsuit, oh yeah.

Herpderp harder.
[Off-topic] krabman:
True dat. There is a reason that you have been seeing outfits like MS and Apple make reconciliatory gestures, everyone is scared of Google in any of its faces.
[Off-topic] davelis828:
okay they added what android has been doing,but i believe that the iphone has by far the best look&feel on the market

not that i ll go back to my iphone 3g(which i have to sell before summer,noone will buy it if it lacks multitasking) :P
[Off-topic] lewy10:
Im happy with my unlocked Nexus One 3G AT&T
[Off-topic] trinode:
Why are they allowed to call it multitasking? it should be something like "Selective Multitasking" since only certain types of apps, eg GPS and music can use it.
[Off-topic] maedox:
Because that is Apple's marketing plan; They make people believe that their stuff is the best piece of technology ever made, and people actually believe them. If you ask Apple product owners why they bought one of their products I am sure most of them will not be able to come up with a valid argument as to why they chose it. You can always get better, cheaper, faster, better looking products somewhere else, yet people keep paying Apple double the money for average products.

Someone mentioned the Android task switcher (Holding the home button). It has nothing to do with multitasking really. It is just a list of six apps/tasks you recently started, it does not mean that they are still running. There can still be any number of apps running in the background. I don't think the switcher in iPhone OS 4 works the same way. Apple has done semi-multitasking with several restrictions as always.

D*** I'm sick of Apple. They just keep pulling everyone in the wrong direction. When is the media going to stop taking the bait and come up with some healthy critisism. :mad:
[Off-topic] DigitaL BlisS:
When there's something worth criticisng them for.

I don't agree with what they are doing from an end user perspective (holding out on features) but as a business model I can't say I blame them. Especially with their lackluster competition. Their biggest advantage is that everything is in-house (hw and sw) and implemented well.

It'll be interesting to see what happens in the upcoming year in terms of market share... but something tells me they have absolutely nothing to worry about. They have a product that they are perfecting, where as Android has a bunch of half assed devices out there that all fail in some way or another in comparison. IPhone still has the best touchscreen experience/responsiveness 3 years later. They still have the best media experience (itunes and sound quality); the best build quality for a touch device; proper desktop integration in terms of syncing for the business users; a low mp camera that still takes better pics than most phones. All of these "small" things that seem to appear as not important to both the companies trying to compete, and to their userbase (after reading some of the fanboi posts in here).

And honestly... after years of waiting, and after playing with a few phones released by Apples "competition" (HTC?). Ive came to the conclusion that it's not happening... Unless Google starts building their own specific Android devices and somehow catch up in terms of integration (itunes alternative). It seems they are just rushing an OS and throwing it out there with companies throwing random hw on it, with it fragmenting in the process.

Some of you are going to start crying and call me an iSheep (even though I don't hold true to ANY company) but I don't care... Apple > android... it's the truth. Not sure which fanbois are more retarded to tell you the truth... but at least the iSheep have a monster of a company both producing the hw AND software. Rather than another monster (Google), just producing the sw and tossing it out to a bunch of (baby) companies nowhere capable of taking on Apple. Bet you can find some Korean made phone with android on it that has a better loud speaker than this pos HTC I'm using.
[Off-topic] DigitaL BlisS:
Let's see if Motorola can put a dent into Apple with the next Google phone... Not holding my breath though because by the time that happens we'll see Steve in his black turtleneck whipping out new slides that either match android on the sw front (as some of you fanboi would say) or leapfrog it. Had 3 screen glitches trying to type all of this on my android device *sigh*. Android might have the same features (or more). But what's the point if everything is glitchy.

Also, another notable fail, SE X10.
[Off-topic] Henchman:
Well good luck with iPhone v4.

Flash locked out altogether.
[Off-topic] DigitaL BlisS:
Flash lol. Any site worth going to will be sure to be HTML5 compliant anyways, mark my words.
[Off-topic] Henchman:
Yeah, when?

Maybe in the next 2 to 5 years.

I'm sure in this economy updating a website to suite Steve Jobs is low on the priority list for the majority of companies.
[Off-topic] xManMythLegend:
You are truly clueless.

Flash aint going anywhere anytime soon. The promises of HTML5 are the same HTML has always promised. Same problems of browser dependent output.

Marcomedia solved that problem years ago HTML5 doesnt have the solution.

Only Steve Jobs and the media outlets desperate for jobs to save them think HTML5 is the new holy grail.

Flash aint going anywhere. Most sites of all types will still be using flash. A very "Apple" like mentality saying "any site worth going to" as if you have a clue what sites we think are worth going to.

Besides no matter how you slice it if flash drops...Androids web experience will be the best on the handheld market. Apple can never claim it again until Flash is actually killed off.
[Off-topic] Daswolven:
Lol. These debates kill me. You can't argue with ignorance, and anyone who think Apple has a good businesses model that will give developers and end users the things they want is a fool. They will get the things Apple wants them to have. That's not a philosophy I will ever support.

Sent from my Nexus One, a device that is like no one else's Nexus One. F**k Apple.
[Off-topic] krabman:
As to the iphone anybody could have made that phone and some were better positioned to do it, particularly MS. They didnt though, Apple on the other hand did and you have to give them credit for putting together a lot of elements that combined made for an enjoyable user experience. That user experience is what sold the iphone. Yeah, they sold to the acolytes but they also sold to my neighbor. Like me she is north of 50 and had never used her flip for much more than making calls. One of her kids showed her an iphone and it was a revelation for her. She had no idea it could be so easy to do so many things and just like that she was sold. It wasnt hardware specs, it was that slick user expereince that got granny on the iphone. This is true for a whole lot of people that did little more than voice and text before the iphone came along. I think to consider the iphone versus other devices in an objective way you have to look at the whole picture. The iphone in no small part got where it did because it was a kick ass user experience for people that had either been working a lot harder to do the same thing or were not doing those things because previously the experience just wasnt worth hassle. Its hardware specs have never really been revolutionary and often lacking at different points in time.

For me personally I hate being boxed in and that makes the iphone a non starter. If it wasnt for the walled garden with the changes to the OS and likely hardware specs the iphone would be right at the top of my short list.
[Off-topic] Paul22000:
I eagerly await this day. I don't see why they haven't yet...

Maybe they're waiting for the Chrome Tablet and the next available-on-all-carriers Superphone, and then they'll own Apple.
[Off-topic] Amdathlonuk:
Well if nothing else it's a step in the right direction for Apple and iphone.

Put 100 of each devices side by side and ALL of the iphones will be identical.

Out of the 100 Nexus 1's I bet 99 of them will be different in rom, wallpaper, launcher...etc. Nice ;)
[Off-topic] imperiallight:
When I switched to the original iphone, I owned two of the best devices at the time IMO, the Tilt/TYTN 2 and the Nokia E90 in 2007. The iphone redefined the way I looked at smart phones and what I could use them for. It set a standard people are basing their devices around even today.

I think people need to realize and give credit for how apple became a thoughtful and innovative game changer instead of comparing them to the Nexus One and a dozen other half baked current devices.
[Off-topic] xManMythLegend:
Strange...

Coming from a PPC-6600 trying the Iphone was a frustrating experience.

I couldnt picture message , couldnt multi task , no good notifications , no custom EQ , No divx , couldnt change the UI , no file management.

It was the prettiest but shallowest phone experience id had to that point.

Much as I wanted to like it I couldnt do half the things I was used to doing already. Waited for Winmo 6.5 was disgusted and never looked back. Really liked WebOS but hated Sprint. Tried the G1 on a whim and fell in love instantly.

Ive owned almost or extensively used about a dozen phones the last 5 years

iphone wouldnt crack my top 3 in total experience. Once you have flexibility and power over your experience , its not something youll give up for a prettier UI.

Ive yet to come across a BB/Android/Palm/Winmo person who doesnt give credit to Apple for there UI and for pushing mobile handsets forward out of the staleness that was that "era".

But no realist is going to label them innovative and call other current handsets "half baked".

Internet Explorer is still the most popular and easiest browser to use. But who in there right mind is calling it the best ??

Thats how iPhone users sound.
[Off-topic] xManMythLegend:
I have zero idea what there intention is. If Apple is getting into the ad biz..flirting with Bing , Im not sure what Google is waiting for if theyre serious about Android.

If they wait too long Apple will be ready with decent alternatives. If they go too soon they lose a huge market ,no ?

I would love to see Google announce there pulling iPhone support 5 minutes after Jobs iPhone 4g announcement.:p

I will say the fact Google is HTML5ing YouTube and made a new layout for Gmail Ipad shows me they arent intending to do this anytime soon.
[Off-topic] edan1979:
what ever it is they want to do with it... fixed the stupid bluetooth error support....
[Off-topic] flyboyovyick:
Did you see the pie chart?

iphone

Android

Blackberry

Other

OTHER!!!

Win Mobile Device???????

This Forum:

Members: 2,272,037, Active Members: 278,846

And the main thing of this site is having a win mo device! Dont our numbers count?

Why arent we on there?

Oh and xManMythLegend: iTards. AWESOME!!!!!! Nice word!

flyboy
[Off-topic] petard:
Apple > Android? Ha what a joke.

Where are all these glitches people are always talking about? My Nexus One runs perfectly fine! Where are all these browser crashes that Adobe Flash causes? My browser doesn't ever crash due to flash. Its just a bunch of Apple BS that people eat right up.
[Off-topic] imperiallight:
I had the Blue Angel as well for a short period, at that screen resolution and functionality of the basic apps out there wasn't up to scratch, just like the Tilt. Nothing has changed on the Apps front its just the hardware of WinMo devices that have got better. I remember hours of converting PDF and CHM files into HTML to be read at a speed that was half decent. Colours were washed out from memory. Web filled the screen nicely and legibly on the iphone. The screen was bright. Basic things worked better than anything I had experienced prior. Its probably a bit harder for recent users with the raw speed and screen resolutions available now to appreciate that.

I do agree, I just mean its more polished/developed and commercially aware in its presentation (music player etc) whereas Android is still in a period of immaturity.
[Off-topic] DigitaL BlisS:
Best Screen ? No Touch wise, it's better than the N1. I can hammer out a 500 word email easily on the iPhone, whereas the N1 kb lags and can barely keep up.

Best for Social Networking? Arguably better than the N1, once multitasking comes out it ... it will be.

Best for browsing ? No Better than the N1. I don't have glitches such as the +/- bar sticking to the middle of the page after popping up the kb. Typing in textboxes actually align properly on safari so you can actually SEE what you're typing. Ever try back spacing while typing in portrait on THIS forum ON your N1, in the DEFAULT browser?

Best for work email ? No Better than the N1

Best Call quality ? Hell NO Better than the N1. Was the ear piece and loud speaker produced by fisher price? And why the bell did they not place the radio on TOP of the phone so we wouldn't lose a few bars HOLDING the device? Is HTC retarded?

I'm in no way comparing the Apple OS to BB; you should really learn how to stay on topic considering everything I've stated was in direct comparison to android.

Apple has a slower processor yet appears to be snappier.

Apple has a 3 year old touch screen that actually registers what you touch; doesn't lock; doesn't glitch out when your left thumb slightly touches the screen while typing or scrolling; etc.

Apple indeed has a much better multimedia experience compared to the N1. I'm sure most N1 users that have actually used an iPhone can surely agree. I can sync my music, manage playlists, edit album art, download TV shows, movies, etc. all on the desktop and have it synced to your phone. Are you seriously comparing this to drag and dropping your files onto the SD card?? What year is this...2001?? Google needs to have a DAP if they want to compete on the mainstream, average user, the I want everything easily managed and seamlessly integrated front.

Apple is ahead on multiple levels, but some of you are obviously so blinded by "fanboi'ism" to notice. That was expected though... because if I were to go to Apple based forum and give the advantages of android, is get the same ignorant replies.

PS. As for flash... arguing about it really is just beating a dead horse especially considering 9/10 real world users (not the nerds you all associate with, see I can stereotype too!) even notice it's missing.
[Off-topic] DigitaL BlisS:
I've been pumping hours upon hours browsing on this device and it's not there yet. Maybe you should use your browser for more than just Facebook, or try an iPhone before making such a statement. Something tells me the people that aren't having problems are either too easily satisfied or just haven't used their device enough yet.
[Off-topic] DigitaL BlisS:
I'm also well aware most of what I stated can be related to hardware. Google needs to catch up on both software AND hardware like I said previously.

Edit: another browser related glitch I just experienced. Ever type in a textbook with nothing showing up? Wish I was making all of thus up but most of these sw related problems I had were from trying to type out messages on here. This phone and the OS aren't even ready for prime-time. They do justice on your techno-geek I want maximum customization front, but that's where it ends. You guys with your custom "baked ROMs" are a very small piece of the pie and will always be the minority.
[Off-topic] Paul22000:
That's fine.

Apple caters to the lowest common denominator; people who can only handle doing one thing at a time.

Android is aimed at intelligent people, which of course is a smaller subset of the population.

Two different business strategies, both viable.
[Off-topic] DigitaL BlisS:
Agreed. And like all of you, I'd like to see Apple burn to the ground as well so don't take me as an Apple fanboi. I might be criticizing Android and it's manufacturers, but it's only because I'm not going to sit here and pretend everything is perfect when it's not (which a lot of you seem to be doing). I don't understand why people/consumers don't complain more. We (general consumers) seem to be whipped by these companies. Complain more, and we'll get more instead of always giving in and "settling".
[Off-topic] xManMythLegend:
Do you own a mac ?

If not then of course you havent experienced it. Its Apple closed environment even on there full OS which makes sure Adobe never takes advantage of the available hardware thus causing choppiness and crashes.
[Off-topic] djteotancolis:
multitasking came so late =(
[Off-topic] djteotancolis:
agree with you
[Off-topic] Alex530:
Are you saying this because mommy wont let you buy a android because your mental retardation will kill the purpose of owning a smartphone? :rolleyes:
[Off-topic] Fallen Spartan:
First thing that comes to mind with this is.....better late than never......and I still wouldn't buy it!!!
[Off-topic] DigitaL BlisS:
And what are you basing that on?

These sites went out of there way... and wow look, HTML5!

http://www.apple.com/ipad/ready-for-ipad/
[Off-topic] nimish_fun:
Lolz

I can't wait to see apple patenting an ass scratching smiley and then boast about it in a press confrence during a launch :rolleyes:

"Now we can express what we feel when we scratch our asses through the new revolutionizing smiley":eek:
[Off-topic] Henchman:
Wow. A whole 20 sites.

Out of the probably hundreds of thousands.

But at least your last comment shows you for what you really are.

A troll.

And Apple fanboy.