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[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Flamso:
I have two 230V to USB-chargers from Sony Ericsson and they charge my X10 like they should. But when I use Apples charger for the iPhone (with SE's USB-cable, of course) it won't charge the phone at all. I've tried another charger but to no avail. And my car charger won't work either.

So, my question is: Why doesn't it work? It worked perfectly with my X1.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wertzius:
How Many mA has the original Charger and how many the others?
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Flamso:
The original charger has 700mA output and the iPhone charger has 1000mA output. So there SHOULDN'T be a problem. But it doesn't work at all.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Trekster:
It's not mAh you should be looking at, that's irrelevant. What's more interesting is what voltage it is. Maximum allowed as per the microUSB standard is 5V. So the Nokia charger i have around(5v/1200mAh) charges the X10 just fine :) And it's alot faster than the 700mAh SE charger of course :) - BUT - it gets hotter of course
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Flamso:
Well yeah, but the iPhone carger is rated at 5V 1A. :(
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Trekster:
Then Apple, being Apple, have made it non-complaint. The Nokia chargers we have here at the office(micro USB) all work just fine.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Flamso:
Weird. Because it works with my X1.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Super_Bob:
I thought usb2 specified 500ma (@5v) tops per port? didnt think you where allowed to pull more! guessing a 1000ma charger could be split to charge several devices at once?
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Flamso:
Possibly. But I think the chargers are rated higher for faster charging. :)
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Trekster:
The ports on the PC are rated 5V/500mAh - but the chargers can be higher for faster charging as Flamso pointed out.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Super_Bob:
Hmm that must mean that the phones are setup to allow them to pull more current otherwise it wouldnt make a diffence, makes sense though and i'm guessing thats why its been taking me a long while to charge the thing (I've only been plugging it into my comp at home and my lappy at work!), might have to plug the charger in and see how it fairs from that.

I would guess then that it makes the distinction by the presence of the data lines then? Ie if no data lines then it must be a charger so pull more power? Forgive my ignorance of electronics if this is wrong, it has been a long while since I covered this stuff at school!
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Trekster:
How it exactly works i don't know, but can figure it out by asking a few of the electrical engineers that I know :) - but yes the phones are setup to draw more current from chargers vs. laptops(as per the specifications).

You will however not notice a huge improvement of charging time using the supplied SE charger as it only delivers 700mAh - I did notice a huge improvement(of course!) using the 1200mAh Nokia charger I had.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Super_Bob:
I might well have to invest in one of those and upgrade my desk (i'm very geeky and have built in trunking with ports for everything in my desk at home!) :)
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Flamso:
I'm more interested in the distinction the phone makes for different kind of chargers. I was told that the LG micro USB-charger works with the X10 and it has 750mA. I just don't understand why it has to be a certain specification on the charger for the phone to accept charging. Other phones with similar hardware works with most chargers!
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pinkmota:
The Iphone charger was design in a way that it needed all 4 pins(1(+), D+, D-, 4(-)) to charge, whereas the normal phone will only need 2 pins(1 and 4). So my guess is that when we plug in our X10 it doesn't telly with the charger because of the use of the D+ and D- pin. Thus it won't respond.

Have anyone try using X10 charger to charge an iphone? I bet it won't work too. :D

I am No expert, just guessing. ;)
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] windmoon:
You need to make a cable, short the pins 2,3 "Data + / -"

Most of the smartphone will detect the data signal, if no signal it's wont charge

I make a cable and use with Sanyo 5000Mah portable USB charger to charge my X1 and X10

Warning: make the cable is your own risk!!!!!!

USB pins assignment

VCC+, Data - , Data + , GND

Normally the color order is Red, White, Green, Black

Thanks~
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Flamso:
Oh. That explains much! Not that it matters though, I already have two SE-chargers I was just curious! Have to buy more micro USB-cords though!
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] boo6:
i'm sure it's software related.

all the new generation devices needed new universal chargers.

all one year old chargers were obsolete when the new iPhone, iPod touch, nexus1 or milestone appeard.

now all the next generation of universal chargers won't work with the X10. (it's a sony !)

tested lots of them and the samsung spica charger was the only one that works with the X10. (no milestone-charger and forget about all artwizz.)
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sungrad:
fyi the charger for the blackberry curve works fine with my x10. charges just as quick, or at least it wasn't noticably slower/quicker.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scootaufc:
Has anyone been able to get their X10 to charge with any chargers apart from the supplied one, a Nokia one or using USB on a computer?

I have tried an iPod charger, a Belkin universal charger, a blackberry charger, an HTC charger and a blackberry in car charger but nothing works.

Is there a setting on the phone that I'm missing?
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sungrad:
i literally just plugged the blackberry curve's charger straight in and it worked.

just the standard charger that came with the curve. and no settings to change.

@scootaufc out of curiosity, what country are you in? might it make a difference for countries with different power sockets?
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scootaufc:
In the UK but that shouldn't matter with the in-car charger though. Just got a replacement X10 through so will try that later.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sidneylopsides:
I use a Samsung charger at work, charges no problem.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tommy96814:
i tried all my micro usb chargers and they all worked except this cheap car charger from china. instead of charging the battery is draining it :rolleyes:
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] StampedChipmunk:
My Apple mains charger (a couple of years old now) charges our old Ipod minis, an Ipod Video, an Ipod Classic, and an Iphone 3Gs.

However my Ipod classic will only charge with the smaller cable supplied with that device ... hmm...

However all of those devices will charge using my cheap car USB charger (with the right cable).

The Apple charger will charge all dumb USB charged devices, but not the X10 so suspect there is some wiring difference there.

I can charge my X10 from the USB port of a PC, but it is significantly slower than from the mains - only useful for topping up IMO.

Thats it from me
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xos84292:
I test the samsung i8000, Bluetooth headset power, it work too

but the 3rd usb charge, all can't work, i don't know why
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ZenithUK:
I've used the charger that comes with the phone, one that came with my works BB Curve 8520, and by USB from my PC.

They all charge up but the PC one takes about half as long again compared to the chargers.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] saltorio:
My fiancée has a Dynex charge she's been using for her iPod classic for a couple of years. I just tried it and the X10 wouldn't charge from it.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ZenithUK:
I ran JuicePlotter while charging the phone last night.

When plugged into the PC from 21:30 to 00:00 (2.5hrs), it charged from 10% up to 50%. When plugged into the SE charger, it went from 50% to 100% in 1 hour.

The interesting thing is that the phone held 100% for 30mins then started coming down. After another hour it had got to 90%, where the charger kicked in again and boosted it up to 100% in a few minutes. It did this 4 times during the night. JuicePlotter also shows how the phone is being charged by the colour of the X axis. Dark blue is PC charging, bright blue is charger charging. The phone obviously senses the difference and acts accordingly.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Super_Bob:
I've actually just looked at juiceplotter (i installed it last week some time and forgot to check on it!), I can confirm about the charging, mine drops to 95% then tops back up to 100% so i'm guessing the phone cant handle running directly off the charger.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bimmerboii:
the standard charger that came with my x10 is very very slow. it takes like 4 hours for a full charge on a drained battery!
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AndyD777:
I'm using a Nokia AC-10X, its rated at 1200ma and its pretty quick at charging the X10.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bimmerboii:
I left my phone to charge overnight. When I woke up the phone has stopped charging even when the usb cord is still plugged in. I think there's a safety feature built in on the phone to prevent it from overcharging.

When the battery dropped to 90+ percent, it resumed charging.

Sent from my X10a using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AndyD777:
That's normal for the X10 to do that.

Sent from my X10i using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] orbitech-x10:
Had the Belkin Micro Car Charger, and it didn't work with both x10 and Nokia N97 Mini... I opened it up and shorted the 2 middle (data) pins by soldering a piece of wire between them and now it works fine and charges both phones.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sidneylopsides:
Used a HTC Diamond charger today, took it off at 98%, after a few minutes it told me it was actually only at 2%! No idea what was going on there.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tjotte:
I would like to know what's going on there aswell since i was concidering if i should use my Diamond charger. For you who don't know the specs on that it's 5V/1A. I would also like to know from someone well read in the area of electronics, is it unhealthy for the SE X10 battery to charge from a more powerful charger then supplied one? Can it seriosly shorten the lifetime of the battery if given more/faster juice then supposed to?
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Jensa76:
Tested my HTC HD2 charger and it wont charge the X10..
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] saltorio:
I tested my X10 using the charger that came with my MW600 headset, and it does work. Didn't try for too long, but I'd assume that charger is slower than the default X10 one, as it's 550 mA (vs. the 700 mA of the X10 charger).

However, my dad's Belkin mini-powerbar/USB charger didn't work with the X10, nor did a small Belkin flip-out USB charger he had for his iPhone.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] doaneramma:
Battery Maybe?

I Have noticed some odd charging behavior too. I just got up an hour ago, it was plugged into the SE orginal charger and cable. I'm already at 90%. When I plug into a BB charger it'll blink on and off or not connect at all. Its this maybe a protection for the LI-Polymer battery we are using instead of the LI-ION? Maybe there is a different charging circuit/protection system at work here than we're used too? Just a thought.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gsdude:
Although i didnt use it for very long, my Blackberry Storm charger seemed to work ok for charging my X10
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] asmanthebell:
Wrong

Its takes a hour if you turn everything off.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] asmanthebell:
Tech Tip

This is exactly the case the circuitry to charge the two different batteries are not crossover compatible as if charging took place the polarity difference would blow the s*** out of the other battery, hence the device have built in auto sense cut off switches.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] raundown:
I bought a generic motorola charger and it works on my x10. Charges faster than the usb but still takes +/- 1.5 hour
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] spark001uk:
Data pins must be shorted together!

Same here, i have one of those single AA emergency chargers, no go with my x10 until i linked pins 2+3. The phone needs the two data pins to be shorted together to recognise it as a charger. If you get your original SE mains charger and pull the usb out, and use a continuity tester on the two innermost pins on the usb socket (on the mains plug housing, not on the usb cable), you'll see they are shorted from within. This lets you use the same cable as a mains charger and as a usb data cable.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Keegan_P:
I borrowed my friend's LG rumour charger while on a trip and it worked fine. Maybe it might be the age of the charger (i.e. the newer ones use the compatible pins).

Android Variations: Check em out!
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] spark001uk:
I think it's just some chargers, especially some of the cheap universal ones may not have the data lines shorted, and possibly might not matter depending on the phone, all i can verify is it does matter on mine! :)
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SysGhost:
In the good ol' days, each manufacturer had their own charger standards.

Each one could not be used with the other one.

They simply didn't fit both physical and per voltage.

Nowadays however, Phone manufacturers was forced to unite under one charger and data cable standard, and most manufacturers today settled on MicroUSB for data and charging, following the full USB charging standard.

Depending on how the data channels in the USB-plug are arranged, the device can draw either up to a maximum of 500 mA (Standard USB power limit) or in USB charge mode, the device can draw the maximum power allowed by the power-enhanced USB-port/charger.

In other words, it's "Standard charging" (default USB power only) or "Fast charging" (Power-enhanced USB-port or dedicated charger)

If the manufacturer follows the USB charging standard to the full extent, the charger/device should let the phone charge from it.

However, some manufacturers still like to create their own little standards around this MicroUSB, rendering it incompatible with the rest of the market.

It could be the case, that Apple are one of these non market-compatible manufacturers when it comes to charging. (I might be wrong)
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] frostdream:
Hello all.

From my test, the x10 could work with other charger, since in output we have 550hz ( not sure of the number)

But I test some charger: a Kodak one, with 1100mA ( against 700 for the se charger) and one 900 from HTC.

The x10 doesn't charge faster at all, same result as the original but the phone gonna overheating.

So finally I use default charger, maybe the x10 have some condensator for making the intensity at 700mA...
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jdm_cars:
I have this Belking Mini-usb cable with a motorola micro-usb adapter. This cable is especially made for charging. (I suspect the middle pins are shorted as someone mentioned)

With this cable I can charge my X10 on any usb charger regardless of mAH rating.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zapatt:
Hi @ all,

After two cable test and two different car adpatator test, i can't make it work.

Could you explain (by a picture ?!? :D) how to "link pins 2+3" ????

Thanks a lot, i cannot figure it out.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Izzy_Deadyet:
Spend $4 on eBay
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jdm_cars:
cut it open and splice them, lol.

for example:

2	D-	White	Data -

3	D+	Green	Data +
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tjex:
Did the same and made my own cable.

(+5V) Red cable to Red cable

(Ground) Black cable to Black cable

(Data +) Green cable + (Data -) White cable together on the mini usb side

Ignored the green+white on the other side and didn't bother joining them

Worked out well with any charger.

I do have a car charger that goes up to 2.1 amp... though that's a lot of power. Not too sure I'm going to try it, sticking with my 700 mA

Hope that helps
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jdm_cars:
I use my iphone charger rated at 1mAH works fine, with the charge cable(data pins bridged)
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bigw@ve:
New X10 user just registered a few days ago. Great amount of useful info here!

Just went through this mess with my X10 as well. Thanks to this thread I figured out the whole data pin shorting trick and have managed to get it charging with a universal 700mA mini usb car adapter. I ended up taking it apart and soldering the 2 center contacts together from the inside with a piece of wire so that I can use any cable.

Shows in Battery Status as "Charging (AC)" I guess it fools it into thinking its a regular charger with this shorting of the data pins fix. Too bad SE made it so picky and we have to resort to such methods.

Thanks for the tips.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] j4mm3r:
Too bad what?

Ahem! This is the latest USB charging standard adopted by several cellphone manufacturers in accordance with new international push to reduce environmental damage by reducing waste. SE should be applauded for it.

Read this:

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Universal_Serial_Bus#Mobile_device_charger_standards

Blame A-holes like Apple and others who want you to pay for buying non-standard USB chargers.

EDIT: The wall charger and car charger adapter that came with my Motorola bluetooth headset work perfectly with the X10. So does the X10 charger with them. One less thing to pay premium for.

EDIT: for the more technically inclined. The full specs are here:

http://www.usb.org/developers/devclass_docs/batt_charging_1_1.zip

EDIT: I apologize for being rude.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bigw@ve:
Was just explaining what I ended up doing and thanking the community for their help with my situation.

In my case the "Universal" usb adapter that supplies 5v@700mA wasn't working so I came here and found how to fix it. I don't really care what standard SE follows to be honest. If it needs to see data to charge over regular USB I think that's a little stupid really. Why does it need to see data signal or be shorted on the data pins to work?

Thanks for your help...you sure seem like a nice guy. :D
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] spark001uk:
Ok Chill Out

Jammer you should chill out, the guy was just misunderstood on a new usb standard, he didn't sleep with your wife!! :)

ADD: Incidentally, as an electronics engineer i can tell you that shorting/grounding of any unused parts of a circuit is standard practice with any electronic equipment, so it's nothing new really.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] j4mm3r:
Sorry

Post edited.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kevjs1982:
I use a charger from the HTC HD2 at work to charge my X10i and that works fine (using the HD2 cable) as does using the charger from the T-Mobile MDA Vario IV (but using the SE cable), and the Idapt multi charger also works. It also works using a blackberry charger and a generic USB Micro cable (the charger has been in my desk for a few years - 8700 I think).

Alas, the Ipad charger in the office won't work with the charger (but the HD2 doesn't charge either), and the X10i won't charge with a car charger that works with the HD2.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] trinity54:
i am having this issue as well.

i have a belkin car charger for iphone which allows you to plug in usb cable to charge.

i tried charging my x2 and it works. i tried charging my x10 and it doesnt,

initially i thought it might be usb cable's problem.so i swop around 2 SE cables and 1 nokia cable and still it aint working.

tried using that same charging and use a mini usb cable instead for my garmin GPS..it doesnt charge up but instead puts it to usb-pc connectivity instead.

i think apple/chargers made for apple are not so universal after all.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] spark001uk:
What you need to do is open up the car charger, and look at the underside of the usb connector- are the two middle pins joined together? If not, get a soldering iron and solder, and solder them together. That will cure it.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mcleaver:
Fraid not - looks like it is SE that has made the phone refuse to upload from a USB cable in a generic USB charger. The same (SE) cable works on a computer and also on a mains USB charger.

At last there;s a standard fitting (micro-USB) for charging Nokia, Blackberry and SE, except that SE has nobbled the car charging.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mcleaver:
We are talking car chargers here.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] j4mm3r:
Fraid not not! Please stop blaming SE for being compliant to the new USB charging standards. Just from a few posts above:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=7220846&postcount=57

You will find all technical details in the links that I posted.

If your particular car charger doesnt work, then simply open it up and short the two middle pins in the USB receptacle.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bigw@ve:
It won't hurt anything, but it probably won't work without the 2 center pins (Data lines) joined or shorted together.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] spark001uk:
Voltage wise it shouldn't hurt, being micro usb it will almost definitely be 5v or thereabouts. I think a lot of generic micro usb connectors for use in charging applications already have the middle two pins shorted by an internal link, well thats what i found with a charging plug i took apart the other day anyway.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zhoustanley:
i got given a blackberry car charger and it works perfectly fine
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sinox124:
me too, get a blackberry car charger.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] leesanhua:
which blackberry model should i search?

also, where can i get date cable that works?
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zhoustanley:
i am not sure the exact model, im pretty sure all the car chargers are the same.. and my blackberry data cables works fine with the x10
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] el56:
Which cable?

Hi all.

Is there a particular brand or vendor of USB-to-MicroUSB cable that will have the shorting pre-done inside, so it can work with any charger? I don't consider myself that good with a soldering iron, so I'd rather just but a pre-made cable that already had the data shorting done.

It would be nice if everyone in the family could use the same car USB charger. It's bad enough some of us need separate cables... :p

Thanks!
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rockjock007:
The USB to Micro that came with my nokia e-71 works perfect to charge and to transfer data.. along with my blackberry charger its perfect.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] D-Trixxx:
I work in the engineering dept for a company that makes rugged handheld computers and cellphones. One of our devices has a smart battery that communicates with the device for various functions. One of the features is to avoid overcharging the battery which destroys its life and it does so where when it hits 100% charging stops and when the battery is discharged 5% to 95% charging begins and tops off the battery.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Hypercore:
Don't know if it's been said but blackberry USB cables work with the Xperia X10, I use my aunts all the time.
[XPERIA X10 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lft4ded:
The charging head from my gf's HTC Tilt2 will also charge the X10.