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[Desire General] quicksite:
Wait. What's this I hear? Did you say that some news outlet is actually interested in a story about problems related to the device that is very likely to be the "Best Smartphone of the Year for 2010". Hunh. Why would they think anyone would be interested in such a (yaaawn) non-story.

Sign o' The Times: Once again, a grassroots community is easily at least one whole news day cycle ahead of every established news entity in the world. You wonder why they even bother to pay tech industry writers. They all get their material from blogs or PR kits or payola or trade shows or just stupidly bumping into a story. Astounding that you have this device in the marketplace now that is touted to be the first real CONSUMER FRIENDLY but FEATURE-ADVANCED touchscreen phone device that mainstream consumers may prefer over the iPhone -- and publications everywhere are totally asleep at the wheel.

When "The Big One" earthquake which is predicted to eventually hit the San Francisco area in the next 25 years actually hits, the tech news writers all up and down silicon valley will be clueless until someone tweets to them "hey did you feel that thing that collapsed San Francisco and destroyed the Golden Gate Bridge?" "Hang on, I'm on a chat with Steve Jobs, i think hey have a product announcement so I cleared my whole week. When's this earthquake supposed to happen?"
[Desire General] bcmobile:
Unless they are supid, they will notice the IMEI is different to the one they sold you.

Can't use the excuse "I just don't like it" or they'll probably ship you off to the mental hospital :D

@quicksite: Sorry, off-topic but they did a great writeup on the iPad today called "12 reasons not to buy an iPad". Check it out http://bit.ly/a0vblV

They are a very good news site. Not sure if you are across the Aus govt plans to roll out a mandatory, China-style internet filter, but these guys have given it the negative coverage it deserves.
[Desire General] villiankknd:
hey bcmobile, glad to see an active xda forumer at whirlpool lol
[Desire General] bcmobile:
Likewise mate. Trying to keep up with two angry mobs at the moment ;)
[Desire General] Noiz:
Ah crap, didn't think about the IMEI.

Ah well, I've just phoned *another* Oxford store, with stock, and again being told that they're contract only. When I quizzed him about the visible promotion advertising the PAYG deal he claimed not to have such material. Of course I wasn't there so I couldn't point it out to him.

I've written a complaint to CPW asking what their policy is on this.

In the meantime, I think I'll just suck it up and wait for my Devicewire order. At least they're doing what they can for their customers.
[Desire General] copex:
well all i can say is, even when every one else was saying their release date was the 29,7 the place i pre order for all ways said no online retail would get the desire before the 12th

and i thought they where just saying that to keep the order.
[Desire General] villiankknd:
from htc facebook, by mr joshua(who we suspect is the one behind htc support facebook page)

this is a email reply for his inquiry on sim free stock.

Dear MR Williams

Thank you for choosing to contact HTC Europe.

At this time we have not yet a specific release date for the HTC Desire SIM-free, I would advise you to have a look at http://www.expansys.com/ and when it's avilable[sic] you should find it on ther...e.

If you have any further questions,

please feel free to contact us again.

Regards

Adiam
[Desire General] neur0x:
My Desire just arrived, i'll pick it up at lunch. :D
[Desire General] Sethos II:
Expansys are shipping SIM-free Desires in every European country - except the UK, apparently.

The strangest thing is, they're shipping the UK version. :D
[Desire General] lesliekkwu:
I guess all of us are left in the cold:

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Dear XXX

Thank you for contacting us.

In regards to delay?

I can help you with that.

There has been no delay of these handsets as we get calls daily about these phones, the delays are the responsibility of the retailer themselves.

I trust that this resolves your query, please do not hesitate to contact us again if required.

Thank you for contacting HTC.

Best regards,

Charlie S

HTC

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[Desire General] villiankknd:
oh so they blame clove and handtec now...for their incompetence to get stock....
[Desire General] Sethos II:
You all should really calm down a bit.

Fact is, HTC are shipping (UK-version) Desires, just not in the UK.

There must be a logistics problem. Yes, someone there apparently is incompetent, since the Desire is shipping already in many countries (in some even earlier than expected), you should not blame the whole company.
[Desire General] irkan:
.. wth is going on ? someone high jacked the whole UK shipment or what then? :eek:

but you know dont believe the Customer Service guys, ... those guys know that the phones are shipping, which is true, .. but the question is, the shipment is being shipped to whom? ... and this is what the customer service guys are not aware of (they shouldnt anyway)
[Desire General] _Dejan_:
Not whole UK shipping. Only e-seller shippings ;)
[Desire General] irkan:
yeap you are right, that is what i meant
[Desire General] Sethos II:
Apparently... :D

Don't know why Desires are shipping everywhere, except for the UK. But they are. Expansys have shipped the first load yesterday, all of them UK version Desires. Some other retailers, mainly in the Netherlands, are also shipping.
[Desire General] _Dejan_:
How do you know that they ship UK versions? Is included UK power adapter? If not then they are not ship UK versions...
[Desire General] bcmobile:
Yes they are shipping in the UK but appear to have been diverted to the carriers, rather than filling fully-paid orders for SIM free models through their preferred reseller program.

Why the last minute announcements then? Can you suggest a rational explanation for dropping the news at 5:30PM the day before most people were expecting them to ship? And what about no public announcement whatsoever? What's the deal with that?

And what about the 'Ultimate Partners' now losing orders to carriers because they got screwed like the rest of us? Not only that, because HTC has been completely silent, these resellers have been left to deliver the bad news with no official announcement to refer customers to.
[Desire General] Sethos II:
They change the box content (the boxes are not sealed), but the handsets are UK ones, default language is English (Ireland) and the country-specific languages are missing.

After double-checking, they could also be French ones, but the French and the UK ones are the same.
[Desire General] Sethos II:
Are there SIM-free ones shipping in the UK?

I didn't mean they were shipping in the UK, I said they were shipping everywhere else ;)

Yes, someone there messed up. Probably a logistics problem.

Maybe they accidentally shipped all the UK Desires to France and Netherlands. :D:D

Or maybe they forgot to order UK power adapters, and when they noticed it, they decided to redirect all the shipments to continental Europe. :D:D
[Desire General] bcmobile:
AFAIK thats all that is shipping.

You know what? If that was the reason for the screwup and HTC announced that, Id have probably had a laugh at how stupid that was (and a cry :p) and got on with life.
[Desire General] dizzyw:
Well I ordered one on PAYG from CPW online yesterday, had to ring them today as no emails to confirm order, they have informed me that stock has been allocated to me and it will ship today/arrive tomorrow, at last I should get my phone !!!
[Desire General] villiankknd:
.......

well at the least, its a good news to you, not for me tho....lol....

how i wish my next door neighbour is a CPW store, well an international CPW
[Desire General] TermyJW:
I went into my local T-Mobile store last Thursday, and had one there and then. Been with me from then, and works perfectly well.

If you are really itching to get your Desire, go to T-Mobile. I'm sure they have plenty of stock...
[Desire General] villiankknd:
i wish, but i am not based in the UK...

oh i found a local e-store with desire in stock.....wow it made the trip to AU but wasnt able to reach UK's HTC Authorised Ultimate Partner.

check it out

http://www.mobicity.com.au/htc-desire.html

if i were dumb enough, i would hv proceeded with the order.....900+ aussie dollar FTW

edit: i am pretty sure they will say that the desire is delayed due to unforeseen circumstances later tomorrow....lol
[Desire General] Zackarydoo:
Am I right in saying that the CPW Desire 'handset only' at £450, is exactly the same as their Orange PAYG Desire? It seems a bit strange, but is that 100% fact please? If so, I'll keep my eye out for CPW getting more stock.

I simply don't trust that the date won't go beyond the 13th for places like Handtec/Clove. Plus going by what Clove told me before, I still wouldn't get mine for up to 10 days after that (despite being told before ordering that if I ordered that day, there would be enough for me in their first batch).
[Desire General] _Dejan_:
I know that if I will not receive it from Handtec before we receive Desire into our shops I will cancel payment and order it here in my country...
[Desire General] hassan:
I bought one from CPW orange pay as you go, they are all generic. All you have to do is pay £399.99 + £10.00 topup. Just Get it:D
[Desire General] thebarsteward:
So they are not locked or Branded to Orange?
[Desire General] thebarsteward:
Just checked with my local CPW and they have stock but they are not allowed to sell it PAYG. :mad:
[Desire General] hussan882:
Quite a few of us have had this same issue, I would just wait for your order now.
[Desire General] SergioV85:
Two russian e-seller begun shipping Desire. And several people in Moscow already got this phone (they told about this fact on forum of 4pda.ru, biggest russian pda community). And attach a photo. PDA is legal for sales in Russia (have certificate from russian goverment), so it's not re-sales from other european shops.
[Desire General] Zackarydoo:
Ok thanks. I've also just had confirmation from CPW via Twitter of the same thing. They also say they expect stock in the middle of next week. Well Clove, who I ordered with, 'should' have it on Tuesday. I wish they could tell me more accurately when, IF they get that stock, I will actually receive mine.

I think I'll sit tight for now and see what we're told on Tuesday.
[Desire General] sparklehedgehog:
Well i bought the Orange pay as you go from CPW for £399 +£10 top up and it is definitely UNLOCKED and UNBRANDED!

I have a Vodafone contract sim that i slotted straight in and was fine. If they have the phone in stock and they advertise the Pay As You Go speak to the manager if they refuse to sell it to you, it's not their company practice!

P.s. for all of you that are waiting, it's worth the wait! :p

Also, remember that UK have to wait for consoles and games etc after the middle east and normally USA too so is nice to have one technology that we're not shafted on the release date for!

Now, back to my AMOLED snapdragon! :cool:
[Desire General] hussan882:
I did speak to there manager, he is the one who told me multiple times that he wouldnt sell it to me! So what did you say to him exactly?
[Desire General] radiotrib:
Got mine in Holland this morning as soon as I arrived off the plane from Blighty. 100% sim-free and unlocked. I have a Voda account so it goes on that for free, but the handset is not tied or branded except for the setup info to access 'tinternet, and he was prepared to sell it to me over the counter with no sim for 400 odd euro.

Dunno about patchy availability. My supplier had already used up his first batch satisfying the earliest of his pre-orders, I was one of the 'second wave'.

As for the UK, I actually had a live one in my hands when I went nosing around Vodafone's Birmingham Bull Ring store on Monday. The shop staff told me I could have taken one right there and then if I'd been a UK resident.
[Desire General] jah:
Mobilefun.co.uk (see here http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/sim-free-htc-desire-p23620.htm) claim they will have stock tomorrow at £399 SIM free
[Desire General] thaibankie:
Clove say they have now recieved stock and are shipping:)
[Desire General] villiankknd:
sigh international delivery only covers europe countries
[Desire General] inkredi:
DAMNN!!!!! what about handtec???? WTF %^#@%(#@%$@#
[Desire General] villiankknd:
thanks buddy, i was ABOUT TO GO TO SLEEP LIKE A HEART BREAK KID....

you made my day awesome......and to clove who i have sticked with....lucky didnt cancel the order....

so far no news from handtec...maybe they will update tomoro morning..
[Desire General] dickson123:
Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeet

Handtec - "Stock has arrived & shipping out 09/04/2010"
[Desire General] Raul Duke:
Sweet! Go Clove!

I hope mine ships tomorrow. It would be nice to come home from my birthday weekend in Prague to a shiny new Desire!
[Desire General] robo204:
I called cleverkit.com where I preordered mine about 10 mins ago, the man sounded very bored of answering the question, but they do start shipping on friday 9th, hurray! Saturday delivery for me! Looks like the UK are shipping after all...
[Desire General] redrazr7791:
http://www.handtec.co.uk/product.ph...ee-unlocked-/8e9fc2fff48dbcc23ec6ad0bcdee3a10

YES :D

Everyone refrain from emailing them...I am sure they are already swamped!

(As I hurry off to raise a ticket in the support area)
[Desire General] villiankknd:
Handtec:

Stock Update: Stock has arrived & shipping out 09/04/2010 - Due to the large amounts of orders please refrain from contacting us to ask if your shipment has left as we will ship all preorders upto the 4th of April. Tracking will be sent late Friday evening. We will keep you posted on developments here.

congrats to handtec buyers....

and now i hope clove take preorders up to 4th of april too!
[Desire General] Noiz:
Cryptic Tweet from Devicewire:

Hopefully that means they've got the stock or are getting it first thing tomorrow.
[Desire General] Raul Duke:
So is this evidence of people power? Have the HTC bods been listening in and took action?

I'd like to think so.
[Desire General] villiankknd:
going to get tired packing thousands of phones
[Desire General] Zackarydoo:
Me too! It's unclear from what they've told me and what their email said on the 6th, exactly which orders will be despatched when. They said they'd have enough from the first batch, but then they said they'd split the first batch.

We're like a load of excited school kids! I love it though! :D:D:D
[Desire General] inkredi:
im sure u all know but ...im happy to read it!! :d
[Desire General] Noiz:
Just wish they'd do Saturday delivery. Not that it would help me of course, seeing as I'm getting mine sent to work. Crap!

I could change the address but then it'd totally bump my order to the back of the queue!
[Desire General] Zackarydoo:
I have a feeling that could have something to do with it. I know I and others wrote directly to HTC about it, plus hasn't it been in the media? At least smaller web media anyway.
[Desire General] MasDroid:
Yaay, great news, can't wait...

been waiting (too long) in anticipation that i've even updated my sig without having the phone at all!

It will soon be mine! :D
[Desire General] williap:
Sorry if this is a daft question but if Handtec are shipping tomorrow, does this mean we will receive on Saturday or Monday?
[Desire General] hussan882:
I think it will be Monday, as not many carriers delivery on the weekends
[Desire General] villiankknd:
oh did i tell u guys i saw something in the desire description in clove website?

"(720p via an over the air update after launch) through the 5 megapixel camera."
[Desire General] Zackarydoo:
Yea I agree. I used Clove but chose the more expensive posting option, which was 'Special Delivery', and even that doesn't deliver on Saturday unless you pay a surcharge.

I used SD myself recently for sending a package, and posted it on a Friday, then it turned up on the guy's doorstep on Monday morning. So it's not like first class post where you'd probably have to wait until Tuesday for things posted Friday.
[Desire General] ritdaw:
Awesome news! I swear I checked handtec before I left work and it hadnt been updated with the latest stock update!
[Desire General] n-j-f:
Really pleased for you guys and gals who hung in there! Still glad though that I got mine from CPW last week. At least I've played with the phone over Easter and, as I'm going away very early Saturday morning, I wouldn't have got it in time.

I did send an apologetic email to Handtec when I cancelled and they and Clove have been very good through HTC's mess.

ENJOY!! :)
[Desire General] CHRISBROUGH:
I'd like to think Handtec would send out deliveries as soon as possible, including Saturday as a working day,as Saturday is an optional delivery, as a good will gesture.
[Desire General] sam_underhill:
So clove and handtec have had some deliveries after all - has anyone heard about devicewire?
[Desire General] jah:
Devicewire are HTC specialists and they had the HD2 before any other eshops in the UK so I think we can be confident that will have early deliveries like Clove & Handtec. Give then a call tomorrow - they're are friendly bunch.
[Desire General] irkan:
wow i missed alot in 5 hours :D

power to the people :P .. btw i just saw pocketnow.com reporting this "delay"

http://pocketnow.com/tech-news/to-m...-outrage-with-htc-for-colluding-with-carriers

media makes wonders :rolleyes:
[Desire General] bcmobile:
yeah thats fantastic news! Anyone got an actual email from Clove yet?
[Desire General] redrazr7791:
"To much desire for the Desire" -------> EPIC :D
[Desire General] irkan:
not yet, .. where did you order yours? i did last days of march, hope i will be among the first batch.

They sure know how to play with words :p
[Desire General] jah:
Expansys also have stock now: http://www.expansys.com/d.aspx?i=196001
[Desire General] _Dejan_:
eXpansys is VERY expensive. Desire without shipping cost cca. £30 more than Desire from Handtec with included international shipping...
[Desire General] TaIz82:
yay great news i'm on the first batch...i order the phone on 26/3 :D...can't wait =)
[Desire General] biliskner:
it sure is sus as 5h1t when forums such as these go nuts and the "media" starts picking up on this mess and then "all of a sudden" stock appears out of nowhere for unlocked phones all over the place. gg HTC, wherever you have expanded to, you need to sack some staff and employ new ones! it sure wasn't like this back in the Exec, Atom days...

thanks guys on here for keeping us up to date - it sure has kept me from sleepless nights all this week (I've been thinking about cancelling my PRE-order but am glad now I didn't). go power to the people. and who says the media cannot do anything "good"? :)

cheers guys

keep up the good work

wow I have an old siggie - the updated one should be "HTC Hero Modaco custom Rom 3.2" :P
[Desire General] OnlinePredator:
I think that all this could have been better managed through press releases from HTC. Or even just public notices on their website for resellers etc. It is this that has been the letdown. Although I do understand that sim-free phones are not the no.1 way HTC makes their money, and I am grateful they are offering us sim-free products so easily, I would still have appreciated some communication between HTC and the resellers. Perhaps even some planning from HTC initially of where the stock would be sent....and when....

Oh how do you guys know that you are in the first batch? I have been holding out from emailing clove so that they can focus on sending these babies out when they get them instead of dealing with all our little girly whines. I ordered mine on the 27/3...
[Desire General] bcmobile:
24th March from Clove and paid in full up-front. I originally ordered from Expansys ages ago but Clove was MUCH cheaper. Seems like a lifetime ago :)
[Desire General] inkredi:
u received delivery notification or tracking number yet??

and please others let us know if u receive any emails..and post ur order date...thxx
[Desire General] redrazr7791:
To those that ordered early enough, Handtec info should be going out tomorrow. Can't speak for any of the other companies though ;)
[Desire General] TaIz82:
I pre order from handtec on 26/3..not receive their email yet, sry i'm only guess i'm on first batch :p because the site say:

or maybe i'm the only one who confuse here xD
[Desire General] biliskner:
I got my fedex shipment tracking Email on the 6th of April and was hyperecstatic. Then a few hours later I got an Email saying shipment delayed from Handtec - until 13th. But seeing that Handtec's website has changed re:stock, I would assume my shipment tracking no. is the same (no one has emailed me yet re: shipment). So at the moment I'm just sitting here refreshing the fedex website :)

So unless Handtec only got 1/2 or 1/3 of the total stock that they ordered, I assume everyone would get their Desires shipped, those who ordered up till 4th April - since going by just their website's update, it sounds like they got their total order. This makes sense considering the media hype about this and HTC's "sudden" appearance of unlocked phones and shipment to retailers. HTC would be shooting both their feet if they've seen this thread and other media 'news reports' about favouring Carriers over "Ultimate Partners" and then only shipped 30% of unlocked phones to Retailers, since the phone has already been delayed over 1 week (YET Carriers' stocks are being constantly replenished etc. etc.)

In short, TL;DR - Good news for all of us!!
[Desire General] inkredi:
my order was on same day March 26th ...hope they ship it tomorrow :)
[Desire General] bcmobile:
ITNews AU just published this http://bit.ly/bCdLJc
[Desire General] OnlinePredator:
It's a bit worrying that HTC say they will not deal with devices that have been purchased outside of AUS. Quite gay, not sure if I should go through with the order or wait another month to purchase a more expensive desire from Telstra in AU.............GRRRRRRR
[Desire General] bcmobile:
No different to any other device... except (dare I say it?) Apple. The guys at whirlpool reckon sending back to Clove took 2 weeks and they replaced the handset, whereas Optus took 5 weeks to get it repaired.

Plus - 2 year warranty from UK but only 12 months from AU. On top of that, you have to deal with Telstra which is always a deal-breaker for me.
[Desire General] quicksite:
hey, bcmobile, congrats on getting IT News in Australia to actually cover this story.

Unfortunately it was a "drive by" rehashing of this thread with nothing from HTC to explain. So, in the comments I added this: a real story to pursue:
[Desire General] OnlinePredator:
Clove: "WE HAVE NOW RECEIVED STOCK OF THE HTC DESIRE. ORDERS WILL START SHIPPING FRIDAY 9TH APRIL. MORE STOCK IS DUE NEXT WEEK. WE WILL DO OUR BEST TO SHIP ALL ORDERS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE!"

Little red box now says: "First stock arrived & shipping - more due next week"
[Desire General] bcmobile:
Haha - as someone on whirlpool said in reply to a similar post "welcome to 8 hours ago" :D
[Desire General] OnlinePredator:
Ah really? so they were posting from yesterday being thursday london time? I logged onto clove this morning and it wasn't there, so sorry for the lateness i guess.....

So if they sent it thursday london time, factor in a 27 hour flight, + ~5-20 hours = Saturday...LOL prob more like monday or tuesday, but I'll be sitting by the window looking out for the post truck ;-)
[Desire General] bcmobile:
Haha yeah, same. Did you get it shipped DHL?
[Desire General] OnlinePredator:
yea mate, said 1-2 days although I'm a bit skeptical...

I just hope I am in the first batch...