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[Windows Phone 7 General] AdmnGT:
So far I've owned an HTC Touch Pro 2 and a MyTouch 3G, the Android operating system (Linux) is much more appealing to me than the Windows OS. The customization and the options available on Android phones makes this question a pretty easy one to answer .
[Windows Phone 7 General] trax26:
customization is for fag people
[Windows Phone 7 General] rhory:
Thought I would have another go with WP7 yesterday on my trusty HD2, I soon realised why I ditched my original WP7 phone.

What an absolute nightmare of a beta OS :eek:, not even any emoticons worth the name, Winmo 6.5 is way better, in fact there is no comparison WP7 is so bad.

So I am back to dual booting Winmo 6.5 with my excellent turn by turn nav system :) and everything else that works, along with Android.

I won't make the mistake of trying WP7 again, I will wait for WP8. :cool:
[Windows Phone 7 General] trax26:
As I understand ,it is that you will buy wp7 when everyone will be.

And say have had, when everyone did not
[Windows Phone 7 General] dazza9075:
thats a pitty, Not being about to use this OS i mean, i agree with you that WM is an amazing OS, far better than android, far more powerful than WP, but it lacks in several key areas, the UI, the stability, the speed, the intigration etc

Of course, each to their own, opinions are very personal things, and this thead was supposed to be an absence of opinion, lets lot let this thread get close as well due to arguing
[Windows Phone 7 General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
hey everybody,

just published an in-depth review of WP7.5 Mango on my blog. As an Android user i'm really impressed with the latest offering from MS. This wp7 update is HUGE.

http://smartphoneblogging.com/2011/07/review-windows-phone-7-5-mango-beta-microsoft-strikes-back/

Please let me know what you think and if there are any questions. Currently my main device is a nexus one with Android 2.3.4, so i think i have a good idea of how good MS can compete with their latest update...
[Windows Phone 7 General] mapleleafs89:
nice review, thank you
[Windows Phone 7 General] dalewoo:
I am using Anroid (Mytouch 4G) right now and would like to try out WP7.5 ! I think Microsoft did a great job this time.
[Windows Phone 7 General] hashemamireh:
You should add symbian to the list
[Windows Phone 7 General] theo80:
Why? Nokia already said their future smartphones will be WP7. It means symbian is dead.
[Windows Phone 7 General] x.melvin.x:
androidddddddddddddddddddddd
[Windows Phone 7 General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
Windows Phone 7.5 Beta 2 impressions:

http://smartphoneblogging.com/2011/...-2-facebook-twitter-and-linkedin-integration/

I'm not that convinced by the Twitter and linkedin integration. Facebook sync is the best currently...

[EDIT: after hard reset the contacts sync works for twitter and linkedin too, so all services are basically integrated the same way. For me facebook sync is the most important for peoples hub, since the facebook friends are real life friends while linkedin and twitter have other use cases...]
[Windows Phone 7 General] OndraSter:
The Twitter followers (or following) integration problem is supposedly problem with Twitter's licensing or something like that.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
That review was hardly in depth.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
Tried to talk about every important new feature. Please let me know if you have any questions...the beta 2 article was shorter because there aren't a lot of new features, besides Twitter and linkedin integration...
[Windows Phone 7 General] THUDUK:
Me I'm confused as a very confused person...

Currently Ios4 on fruitphone 4 - great apps, great display, clarity of text for reading brilliant, screen could be bigger, hate that I am part the Apple fraternity. Works too well, don't have to do anything apart from us it, open amazing apps and play brilliant games, more apps than you can probably use in a lifetime.

Android - last phone Galaxy s2 - Not as quick as I thought, great home screen customisation, loved the screen size but not the screen resolution text reading clearer on IP4, love and hated widgets, battery consumption terrible, good market but gaming flawed and doesn't come close to iOs, customisation is great, and tweaking your phone is fun, but soon you find your spending more time flashing roms, tweaking and changing stuff you don't actually use your phone.

Windows Phone 7 - phone before that HD2, loved WP7 but with no multitasking at all and pretty bad marketplace, found it limited, fabulous UI, fun to use, great email, facebook intergration, overall impressed, if this mango business is good enough and the app store improves, this is where I might head next.

WM6 - arhh them were the days after owning a casio, fujitsu loox, htc diamond, hd and HD2 all on wm5, 6, 6.5 and 6.5.5 if only apps and market places where better I would still be here.

Memo, webOS and the like - not a clue
[Windows Phone 7 General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
updated my review. after a phone hardreset both twitter and linkedin contacts sync on mango beta 2 perfectly...
[Windows Phone 7 General] EvenXY:
The Microsoft Windows Phone is simply the best ...
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Update: the kid left a letter in my mailbox and here's what it says verbatim:

"haha u stupid asshol I bet ur having fun wit my phone when you don't got the charger. When the battery runs out you won't be able to use it no more! Youre STUPIDDDD"

I believe my wp7 corrected the more atrocious spelling errors but wow... This kid should not be allowed to own a smartphone and lets just hope he doesn't breed. I was having a dilemma on what to do... Now I think I'll keep the wp7. IOS can die in a fire, it'll go in the drawer with all my useless android phones.
[Windows Phone 7 General] phonex1:
IMO I find every mobile OS nowadays has a catch. I am currently using iPhone 4 but looking out for a good alternative is hard as it has spoiled me a bit. After E71 iPhone has been able to hold me well although I miss the e71 quite a bit :p

iOS: smooth, simple, to the point. Good stuff. Lots of apps. Ok. But USB mass storage mode? File drag an drop? Ability to play avi/wmv out of box? Blue tooth file transfer? Flash? On board offline maps without spending almost the price of an on-sale gps unit? Nope. And while I use the phone I don't like the limitations. Perhaps today's consumer base doesn't care. But having been accustomed to simple folder copy methods from PC and other things I did on dumbphones, to me personally this is a step back. iTunes as an option? Sure. As mandatory? Sucks. It's been 7 months since I jailbroke the iPhone and have never launched iTunes since. Also what do I do if I want to develop for it? Buy a $700+ Mac. Give me a break. Post-pc my a**.

Android: offers the openness but then you have the general lagginess (unless you buy desktop level specs which get hot anytime you actually use them) and the carrier/manufacturer chains that destroy a good experience? No thanks. Why google never cared to implement gpu acceleration in froyo beats me. The N1 was the phone I wanted at the time it came out. Was worth it. With gingerbread and Nexus S it seems google got complacent. Given that their revenue comes from the ads from the platform which is free to use as well as very unstandardized means it's hard to see an optimized and polished iteration of it anytime soon. Also no C based native development was a turn off.

WP7: well all the iOS cons apply to it. Rest is all good. Snappy, neat looking UI, easy to use etc. But locked-down nonetheless. Such a turn off. But developing for it is so easy with visual basic plus I can do it on my pc.

WebOS: would be my OS of choice but HP is still strangling it hard. No good looking hardware. No developer sign ups or marketing campaigns to make the devices appealing. The UI is simple but not locked down! And not as paddy as android too on last year specs.

If nokia didn't just throw meego under the train or HP was showing more hard work for webOS instead of late releases I would rather buy a device from them. I still am holding out for the N9 despite it's DOA status which is sad. It seems if you have a winner OS no body wants it. Extremely dumbed down, toyish, and "ecosystem" tethering OSes are a go nowadays for the masses.

Bleh.
[Windows Phone 7 General] SausageSlice:
Good comparison chart
[Windows Phone 7 General] giaima24h:
tetetetete
[Windows Phone 7 General] fishbowlhead:
Oh dear, i wonder how old this obviously well educated fellow is?, i am sure my dog has better grammar than that, in fact i am sure my dog would of at least of been smart enough not to leave the phone in the first place. :rolleyes:
[Windows Phone 7 General] Apollo-Chinese:
Webos'multitask is best.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lraimbault:
Ok

I was an iPhone user but Windows Phone 7 is the best for me, now !
[Windows Phone 7 General] briantech:
Thanks for this valuable post:rolleyes:
[Windows Phone 7 General] uknick:
WP7 Mango a Revelation....

Ok here is my viewpoint for what it's worth...

I have tried many, many, many different devices & handsets over the years - anyone remember the HP Jordana, SPV's Palm's etc - alway searching for that device that ticked all the boxes. For many years it was about "connectivity" but form, function and ease of use all mattered for me.

Anyway when the iPhone was launched I jumped over to the platform - I had never been an Apple fanboy, but it was I believed fantastic particularly when the 3G came round and the ability to genuinely do stuff on a phone actually became a reality. Over the iPhone years, I have tried others devices and platforms but always returned to iOS because it was superior in almost every respect - but most importantly the tight integration of iTunes for me was a killer factor I needed an OS where sync just worked!

Recently I have become increasingly frustrated with my iPhone screen size and that led me to try the Dell Streak 5" as a phone handset - yes a bit mad, but I really really need more screen real estate!! That didn't work as I found Android fragmented and not nearly as slick as iOS particularly the soft keyboard that was hopeless - and this mattered as I needed to do lots of email for work.

I also have a Blackberry Bold for work, but have over the years come to loathe this device the now tiny keys the horrible OS and lack of apps meant that I needed something that could replace a BB and ideally my iP4 which is frankly a bit boring now and has that small screen.

I read somewhere that Windows Phone 7 was being updated to Mango and listed to a podcast where the guys actually raved about it!! My mind started whirring and I wondered if I could get a larger screen and update to Mango - would it be possible to move onto the platform?

Well long story short - I bought a Dell Venue Pro last week (bargain of £180 direct from Dell) and updated to Mango. I love the OS and also the handset while there are inevitably compromises from iOS overall as a business/leisure phone I feel it is a lot better. I am now investigating a weekend phone of an HD2 with Mango which is my ideal size at 4.3".

Any comments, thoughts welcome.

Nick
[Windows Phone 7 General] qsr786:
Yeah nick you did made the right choice. For 1 month I had the to choose between HTC desire he and HTC hd7 same price for 200 euros without contract. So I read asked the people and read many articles about the phones, everyone complained about the hd7 and everyone said that the desire is better. But I wanted to try something new and decided to buy the hd7. And now I am so happy cause I made the right decision. Man I love this phone since first day because its is so beautiful the handling is so fluently everything is perfect. I hope that Microsoft will get on top of the mobile industry. Txh.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mashem:
Android. With ease.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vash_h:
would like to add on, for navigation, iphone and android also has papago..

my friends got papago for free on android and iphone.. its a fairly good GPS navigation software comparible to garmin..
[Windows Phone 7 General] Reasec:
Must say that WP7 is crap compared to Android and iOS. SP with WP7 is simply dumb phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rcgoodall93:
Cool bro. Needs graphs. Graphs always look nice :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] EgoMaximus:
You should update the chart :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] IXI Nyx IXI:
Thanks for the nice comparaison :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] longthuy:
Thanks, i will be add :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] dmags2:
I know this is old, and I'm sure this thread might be locked, but wow. Look at how much has changed since 2010. Windows Phone only having under 10 applications? iOS App Store with just over 160k, and Android Market slightly above 40k?

It's very interesting how much has changed in a year and a half.
[Windows Phone 7 General] suua:
Hey Guys.

I have posted on this thread before, but wanted to share something.

I just changed from Android to WP7, And i am impressed how good this OS Runs, it makes the phone really smart, a really MODERN OS, with a great interface, conection with all my social network much much better, great job microsoft!

For me its the future OS. (just my opinion)

btw, im still in Nodo
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
wait til you get mango, my head exploded just a bit.
[Windows Phone 7 General] breus:
and u will be more MORE satisfied with mango release :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] zxcv888:
+1 there.. Mango is would turn u upside down. people's hub in mango is beyond AWESOME
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
People Hub is Mango just caught up and barely surpassed Samsung Social Hub in TouchWiz 3.0 (released over a year ago) in features. That's decent, not "beyond AWESOME."

@ 2:22

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I'm actually interested in playing with a Bada II phone and seeing how that version works. It seems very comprehensive...
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kloc:
That looks ok but WP7 does support SD Cards just not user swapable. :D

Edit---

Nevermind I guess you said no SD card slot not no SD card.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
Well, I'll interpret that as no SD card support. I don't think a distinction is necessary, there. ;)

EDIT: Updated nevertheless.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Actually, "quick app switching" is available in WP7, and it's quicker than on the iPhone. What I mean is the only real case when I need it: I'm driving using a satnav, get an incoming call, pick it up, send dialer to background while still talking by pressing OK/Cancel (WM) or Back (WP7) button. On iPhone it's not going to be as quick as pressing just one button without even looking at the screen.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
How is quick app switching available? You can only go back or to the start screen.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kloc:
I love how they are making incoming calls very unintrisive by bringing it up in a drop down and not completely taking over the screen.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
The Back button is an Alt+Tab of sorts, it switches between recent apps. For many scenarious, it's much quicker than launching a task manager and choosing the right app, and it doesn't even require looking at the screen. Can't get any quicker than this.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
Shall I add this? "Incoming call intrusiveness" :D

No, back only takes you back. To switch to a certain app, you have to press it multiple times. That's not "quick app switching".

The lack of a back button on the iPhone is already mentioned in the UI section. I think that's enough.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
*shrug* It works where it matters most. Don't know what that "quick app switching" is worth then. You should call it "visuall app switching" or something like that.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
Okay, I'll change that.

New Excel file attached.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kloc:
You're giving me your chart? Great, now a can delete and column and re-release it as my own! *Evil Grin* :cool:
[Windows Phone 7 General] Fa7my:
Maemo OS

Hey Seethos.. I was just wondering that, if you are making a comparison between all the smartphones OSes, you should add the Maemo OS to your chart, it's a real powerhouse (and totally hacker-friendly ;) )

Just my two cents..

P.S. I would be more than glad to help you (only with what I know, I'm no expert on Maemo though)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
Re: WP7 vs. iPhone vs. Android vs. WM6.5 - the definitive comparison!

Sure, I just don't know enough about Maemo...
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
Re: WP7 vs. iPhone vs. Android vs. WM6.5 - the definitive comparison!

If you want... or you can also add a column for Maemo or Symbian ;)

Sent from my HTC Desire using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
Here comes my final assessment!

As you might notice, I have a clear winner. ;)

What about you?
[Windows Phone 7 General] rorytmeadows:
Except for the fact that you green your preferences, not necessarily the best choice.

My problems with the original chart:

-Changing defaults in WP7 will be allowed to an extent

-The folders on iPhone 4.0 are not "real" folders, just app groups
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
Of course I colour my own preferences!

Anyone who doesn't care about my opinion can look at the uncoloured chart in the first post!

If you want to make your own coloured chart, you can download the Excel source file.

How do you know changing defaults will be allowed?

And yes, folders are "app groups", but there is nothing else besides apps...
[Windows Phone 7 General] rorytmeadows:
Okay, you're right about the preferences stuff. I went ahead and did mine and learned a bit about Android. It might have to be where I'm going if MS doesn't fix WP7.

Also, months ago, Microsoft mentioned that the colors, themes, and tiles can be customized to an extent.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
Wow, that poor iPhone. :D:D

Hm, You can create, remove and move tiles around and you can change the colours (black/white background, blue/red/yellow/green tiles) on WM7, but I think that's all.
[Windows Phone 7 General] chikoo:
Is it true that you can only have one page of apps ie. 16 within a "folder" in iphone 4 os?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
Probably. Where did you find that?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
Sorry but touchwiz looks like utter garbage. WP7 UI is innovative and professional looking. But with touchwiz you may think that Samsung told their interns to get a shot at UI conception.

The peoples hub is better than any other default contacts app on any mobile OS. It's not only about functionality but also usability. That's were wp7 excels...

And BTW the integration of social media into the contacts app was done first by palm and was called synergy...Samsung is not good at inventing in the mobile space...they rather copy...
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
That was linked to show functionality. I can give two ****s what it looks like, as long as it works flawlessly, which it does.

Integration of contacts form other networks into the contacts app was done before WebOS Synergy.... However Synergy was about more than that.

There are people who think WP7 is ugly. Your opinion means as much to me as theirs (i.e. not much).

Samsung is bad for "copying" synergy yet Microsoft is innovating when they literally clone Social Hub in WP7 and put a new skin on it? Are you serious?

Don't answer that.

Also that was from TouchWiz 3.0. It was released 6 months before Windows Phone 7 RTM'd.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
Its not that hard to understand: functionality+usability is better than functionality only.

Neither ms nor Samsung invented the feature, but ms implemented it the right way.

Really wanna argue about that?

I'm an Android fan actually and I respect ms for trying a whole new and working UI concept with hubs and tiles. Samsung on the other hands makes phones with android skins which look like a wild collection of the competitors products/ideas. IMHO.

BTW: which contacts app had social media integration before webos? And you say synergy is much more. What more? Webos had many features but synergy was primarily about service integration and nothing else.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
No, it's not useful to argue opinions. Social Hub in the Galaxy S is totally usable and Microsoft is only just getting some features (like Groups, Service Filtering, etc.) that Samsung had over a year ago in their really good implementation of it.

Dunno why anyone would say it's not usable. That sounds utterly retarded. Have you ever used it? Or just heard of it?

Windows Mobile's Windows Live Messenger integrated Contacts and presense information into the phone's Native Contacts App before WebOS, for example.

The Pre wasn't launched until June 09. WL4WM had this functionality on Windows Mobile 6.0, at the very least. Wm 6.0 was released in 2007. Blackberry has similar integration with BBM and phone contacts and it's PIN messaging system.

Synergy wasn't revolutionary for what it did, per se. It was revolutionary in the breadth of services it supported (especially consumer services, instead of business services like Exchange and BES) and the intricate contact linking it made seamless. In short, the user experience is what made Synergy great. Not simply what it did, which other platforms were doing for years when WebOS/Palm Pre was released.

The only thing Different between Social Hub and People Hub... Is the user interface, and whether you like it or not is solely your opinion.

My post was about the functionality it self. Social Hub is perfectly usable, though. Search the internet for instances where reviewers damned the usability of that functionality. I doubt you'd find much, if any... It's all pretty seamlessly integrated into the contacts app, and did support more features a year ago than WP7 had 6 months later at launch.

The point I was making was exactly what you displayed. Looks are the only thing that really draws people to WP7, but looks get stale quite quickly (as in, even if the UI is ugly, people get used to it and tend to not care hence the large number of Symbian/Feature Phone users still out there, nevermind Blackberry and Windows Mobile held on for quite a long time despite being a smartphone UI disaster).

Most people care about what they can get done, not how pretty it is. You're free to disagree, but I'm not going to argue about something that is purely subjective, even though I've already given you way too much credit by answering your rhetorical questions.

Bai.

EDIT: By more...

1. Contact Integration and intricate contact linking across a myriad of services (no other os i've used since has merged contacts as intelligently as WebOS does)

2. Linking of dispirate inboxes and calendars/events form dispirate services.

3. Very good search functionality across those sources

4. Probably the first OS to offer messaging across dispirate services in a single experience (switching between IM on Yahoo to AIM to WLM to SMS and back to IM in one conversation in one user interface) as a base feature

That all seems pretty commonplace NOW (like Push email is commodity but back when BB really brought it out, esp to consumers, it was all the rage) but what WebOS did back then, and the way it did it... Was very innovative.