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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] epoh:
Could possibly be a bad GPS unit in your phone. There is an HTC GPS Tool available on the boards here that you can try and test with. I'll do a search for you in once sec.

One quick thing to double-check, in Settings | System | ABPS Settings > Make sure you've got the AGPS Service turned on.

ETA: Here's the thread where you can download the GPS Tool - http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=360477
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] AidanBell:
I'd be very grateful, thanks.

ABPS Settings? What's that?! I have no such setting under Settings/System! (I'm running WM 6.5 pro)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] AidanBell:
GPS is new to me, and while clearly a nice little piece of kit the HTC GPS tool doesn't give any instructions! However, I've set it to my COM and baud rate and hit "Open" and there's a lot of action; under the "Satelite" tab I see changing red satellite points (between one and four and I'm still indoors) so I'm presuming this indicates that my GPS is functioning?

Could my issue therefore be something to do with my non-existant ABPS/AGPS Settings?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sirphunkee:
"aGPS" = Assisted GPS, it uses more than just the satellite signals to help pinpoint your location quicker. The TP2 is capable of aGPS, but it's disabled by default. You'll need an app such as "Advanced Config" (attached below) to access and activate that setting. Once you have it installed, just open the app, and you'll see a "GPS" heading in the list of options, under that is the aGPS switch.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] AidanBell:
Much appreciated, thanks. In fact I already have "Advanced Config" installed, and all GPS options already activated, including AGPS.

Could you be so kind as to let me know whether you think, from the description in my last post, that my GPS is working? And if so, might you have any idea why it's therefore not speaking to either TomTom or Google maps?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sirphunkee:
Without being able to lay eyeballs on it, it does sound like the GPS tool did indicate that you could at least locate some satellites, but I can't say for sure if you're locking/triangulating any...

There is one more setting that I've read has helped on some odd occassions, it's worth a try if nothing else. In the same GPS settings area where you changed the port and baud rate, the last tab should be "Access". On that tab is only one check box, for "Manage GPS Automatically...", and it's probably checked by default for you. Even though it sounds backwards, go ahead and uncheck that box, and see if it makes any difference in your ability to acquire sats. It may not, but it doesn't hurt anything.

Also...just to be sure...on the "hardware" tab there, do you have the "GPS hardware port" set to "none", yes?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] epoh:
Your other option, of course, is to load a different radio.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] pdong:
have you tried running quick gps?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] robh810:
I have also had problems with my GPS since flashing a new ROM, a reset seems to have sorted it out.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] AidanBell:
I presume you mean a full, cold reset? I've run several standard cleanups and warm resets, and yes, I've also run QuickGPS a number of times as well.

I was beginning to wonder myself whether it was to do with flashing the new ROM, although it was an official ROM (WM 6.5 Pro), Vodafone and Windows certified and downloaded through the Vodafone website, so it should have been thoroughly checked.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sirphunkee:
Yes, if you loaded a new official ROM, you most likely got a new radio with that ROM (offical ROMs include the radio, many aftermarket ones don't)...in that case Epoh is correct and you'll want to find out what radio was on your device with the previous ROM, and try flashing that same one (or one of the other available options) in place of whatever one the new ROM included.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] AidanBell:
Again, many thanks.

But I'm afraid you've lost me technically! I'm certainly PC literate and able to tweak and crack and play, but where my TP2 is concerned my knowledge is more limited. I'm afraid I would need instructions to guide me through the process you suggest. If anyone has the patience and kindness to provide some I'd be most grateful, otherwise it's a bit out of my "do it yourself" league.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] burtonsnow8:
Start > Settings > System > Device Info > Software Info

It will have your radio version there. I'm not sure which ROM you were using before, but you should be able to find what radio it was using. Then go to the ROM development forum and read about flashing your radio!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sirphunkee:
Flashing a radio is very similar to flashing a (custom) ROM, it just doesn't wipe everything, and it only replaces the radio (actually the set of drivers for all the radios in the phone). Different radios can improve your reception on any of them (3G, Bluetooth, GPS, etc), but you may have to try a couple to find the one that works best for you.

A list of available radios, and links to detailed instructions, are in THIS thread
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] AidanBell:
Many thanks for the help. OK, I think I'm on the case, but here's what's still confusing me: The thread you've sent me to explains how to determine your ROM by going to the start menu, settings, etc. However what I need to know is what the ROM WAS before I updated to my current one, no? If I understand this correctly I am trying to return to the old radio that I had before I updated the ROM, yes? In which case, how do I know which radio to choose?

If it saves time, I can tell you that I am in England, my unit is a Vodafone HTC TP2, purchased in August last year.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] burtonsnow8:
Correct, but if it uses the same radio then there is no need to flash a radio and you have a different problem, which is why I suggested checking to see if they use the same radio. If the ROMs use different radios, you can download the radio from your earlier ROM to see if it fixes GPS.

http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Rhodium/Shipped_Roms
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] AidanBell:
I see! Cheers.

OK, my current ROM is 1.86.161.0 (67102) WWE, and radio 4.49.25.17 (09/25/09).

However ... since I have no idea what my ROM or radio were before I updated the ROM, how am I to know whether the radio is the same!?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] burtonsnow8:
that link has a list of known ROMs and the Radio they use.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sirphunkee:
On that list Burton linked for you, it shows that the originial shipped ROMs from Vodaphone (which I'm assuming is what was on yours previously) were version 1.14.161.6 (50207), with radio 3.44.25.27.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] AidanBell:
Please forgive me, I'm really not trying to be difficult, I'm just a novice when it comes to WM!! (for instance I didn't even know until today that my HTC is a Rhodium!)

So my model must be the RHOD10000 listed under WM6.1 Vodafone UK, in which case my current radio is indeed a higher version and I need v3.44.25.27. Looking HOW to flash the radio, I'm being advised to first install HardSPL. That's another new topic and learning curve for me; could you just let me know whether you feel I need to bother with that or whether I can go straight to flashing the radio?

Thanks again for the help, not to mention patience!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sirphunkee:
No problem...that's what the forums are here for ;)

Yes, you will indeed need to use HardSPL before flashing either just a radio, or any full custom ROM...it's required to get around the measures that keep just anybody from tinkering with their ROM.

You'll find a full set of instructions in that thread for how to use HSPL as well as how to flash a radio or a full ROM once you've done that. The good news is that once you flash HSPL onto your phone, you can easily flash all the ROM's and radios you want after that...it's a one-time unlock that's good from then on.

Now...make sure you read the thread with the flashing instructions very very carefully, and thoroughly. Then, come back the next day and read it all again. And, once you're ready to start, just be sure to proceed very slowly and very carefully...just follow the steps EXACTLY as outlined, and you should be just fine.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] AidanBell:
I think I now have all the necessary data and software to do the deed, however I'll wait until tomorrow now because although flashing the radio doesn't wipe the device, apparently installing HardSPL does. Therefore if I'm about to do a cold reset I'm going to need a bit more prep time first. Thank you again for all the help, I'll post tomorrow and let you know how I got on. Cheers,

Aidan
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] cameraddict:
AidanBell,

about 2 years ago I flashed my first rom. It was on a Wizard device (the pre-pre cursor to these new phones)

I was worried out of mind that I would "Brick" (kill) my phone. But I did as others have said here- read and read and read it again before starting. It is scary the first time. But once it is done you will be elated.

Just take your time. And be patient.

Let us know how it goes.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] rr5678:
while on the subject of the GPS, can anyone please tell me the default connection settings?

Your help is appreciated.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] AidanBell:
So ... I've installed and I've flashed!

The good news:

Both the installation of Hard-SPL and the radio flashing went without a hitch, and despite dire warnings in red letters from both processes that all data would be lost, in fact none was. So, my thanks to all of you again for your help with that. I shall make a donation as requested.

The bad news:

Unfortunately this has not solved my issue, and still neither TomTom nor Google Maps are able to see the GPS. No, that's not true; they can both see the GPS as they are waiting to receive a signal. It's just that the signal never comes!

(Yes, I have checked under 'Device Info' that the radio flash was successful!)

HTC GPS Tool still shows both red circular satelites and occasionally red bars below as well. so it really does appear to me that my GPS IS working, and moreover that programs are able to see that it is working, it's just that they are unable to see the signals that it picks up.

Any new thoughts?!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] blisteringblue:
Trouble is up until the point you flashed it you could have returned the phone to Vodafone as a GPS problem. You might struggle with that now.

I would have tried the official 6.5 Rom from vodafone, it is such an improvement on the original 6.1 release.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] AidanBell:
I am currently running the official 6.5 ROM.

The history is:

1) Purchased phone from Vodafone August 2009, running 6.1

2) Some months ago updated to official 6.5 ROM

3) This morning flashed the radio only, to v3.44.25.27 which, IF I understood the chart correctly, is the radio from the my original 6.1 ROM.

That said, I've never tried to use GPS before, so I cannot say whether it used to work when I was running 6.1.

I'm something of a novice at this, however my gut instinct is that the radio is working, it seems to be the link between the radio and the software that is missing, in PC terms the driver.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] burtonsnow8:
You ran quick gps beforehand?? If you do not update the statelites via quickgps you won't be able to lock onto any. Since you've never connected before that could be your problem.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] AidanBell:
Indeed. Throughout this whole issue I've been constantly updatingQuickGPS at every turn.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] epoh:
It sounds like the GPS unit is functioning, but never getting a lock. Do you have insurance on your phone through your provider?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] AidanBell:
I do, yes. But have I not now negated that by flashing?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sirphunkee:
It's usually possible to get "back" to being warranty-eligible by flashing a stock rom, and then a stock SPL back onto the phone. Instructions for that should be on the same page as the HardSPL instructions. Sometimes it's possible to even get away with just flashing the ROM and the carrier might not notice (stories of this exist...), but I'd still recommend flashing the stock SPL back onto it just to be safe.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] AidanBell:
So are we thinking that I'm now at that stage? Have I really exhausted all options now? I'm so loath to send it back to Vodafone because I've been advised it can take "between two and four weeks" which is of course an outrageous amount of time to expect anyone to live without their PDA.

Is there a URL anywhere to instructions for the HTC GPS Tool? If I knew how to read that properly I might be able to gain more valuable knowledge.

I'm still also surprised that the only access to AGPS is through Advanced Config. How whould the average on-the-street user enable and start using GPS? Presumably it should work out straight of the box?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] epoh:
Yes, the GPS should function straight of the box. The aGPS just speeds it up, in most cases.

My only suggestion would be to basically start over. Do a Task29 http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=649191 which will totally wipe your phone, load the stock radio, stock SPL and stock ROM, and see if the GPS is functioning there. If it is, then you can work through what caused it to stop functioning. If that doesn't fix it, you know you've got a problem with your device.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] AidanBell:
That's very heavy for a novice user like me. Not that I doubt my ability to do it, but if I should run into any problems at all I'll be way out of my depth to get back on track. If it were a question of just flashing a new ROM over the existing one...

Maybe I should step back and check some of the more mundane factors first:

Is COM4 recognised as being the "correct" port to use? And what of the baud rate? If I change it, it always automatically reverts back to 4800. Is that meant to happen? Do you know if anyone lists anywhere a standard, or at least known-to-work set of GSM settings? And of course I can't be 100% certain that I chose the right radio to flash from the list I was referred to?! Can anyone confirm for me that v3.44.25.27 is the correct radio to be using on a 2009 Vodafone device?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] myknyte:
I had similar issues.

GPS quickly picked up for me (less than 60 seconds) --usually everytime after a hard reset --its very quick.

A few days ago, no matter what I did, GPS could not pick up a signal.

A simple solution would be to do a HARD reset on the phone --guaranteed that will work. If GPS doesn't pickup, then hardware is the culprit since all settings shouldve been wiped out with the hard reset.

I was able to get my GPS back after trying a bunch of things. I'm not sure which did it but here's what I have tried.

1) I Deleted GPSLogFileBack.txt (or tried to from \windows )

2) Start > Settings > Tools > QuickGPS. I never had downloaded when my gps worked. I selected download for the first time and set it to auto downloa

These and a soft reset got me back on my feet again. Good luck to you!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Wolfhawke:
GPS Connection

I've noticed while Windows manages the phone's GPS, the settings are usually COM 4 and speed is 57600 baud.

You may wish to hard reset then try using the Quick GPS followed by the HTC GPS tool in warm start mode and give it at least 5 minutes outside in an area that is relatively free of tall buildings and obstructions.

From what it looks like you are receiving satellites, sometimes it takes a good 4-8 minutes for the GPS Tool to figure out and calculate position with the TP2. Patience may be the missing key here....
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] AidanBell:
Thanks for your thoughts.

I discovered that Vodafone have a more recent official ROM update:

http://devicehelp.vodafone.co.uk/firmwaredevice.php?ModelID=384&e=0

I bit the bullet and installed that, so effectively did the cold boot that several of you suggested. Unfortunately, though, it hasn't helped. My GPS problem remains exactly as before.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] see:
hey there,

I have some similar problems with my gps fix.

Let me say about 2 month ago I installed a new radia and everything was working finde. In combination with the HTC GPS TOOL I got a fix in about 5-9 seconds on the road with 150km/h... So it was working perfectly..

After this day the gps was working more and more bad. every day i lost 2-5 seconds.. Now it takes about 5 Minutes without driving!!

I flashed a new rom and I just start the HTC GPS Tool again and after 5 Minutes i got a fix with 7 satellites. Now the same procedure starts again.. the first 2-3 days I get the fix in 5-10 seconds.. after that every day later...

what could I do?

All the best

seb
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] j4n87:
...nevermind, wrong thread.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] j4n87:
...nevermind, messed up.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tomatenjungee:
Hey Guys,

been testing some ROM's Super D 1.10.2 and Vegas Legend Port... but in none of them Apps2SD worked for me. I tried Ext3, Ext4 in sizes from 384-512 it only showed me 87mb of internal phone memory. What am i doing wrong ? I checked busybox df -h and it showes up my /system/sd .... but could a Super D ROM kill 384mb down to 87 left? Is it maybe because of the swap that it doesnt mounts the ext?

Greets

.... solved its the Cache .... pls delete... thanks
[Hero CDMA General] 76flip:
I need to take my phone in to a repair center. Should I reroot and go in stock? I know i already should pull my SD card, anything else? How much do they charge, i dont have insurance. Do they give you a replacement phone?

Just nervous, need some advice.
[Hero CDMA General] stephen240:
First off whats wrong with your device, and if you haven't had your hero over a year then your still in warranty and shouldn't charge you anything (and thats impossible cause the hero hasn't been out a year).

I would go back to stock rom, most service center repair specialists will flip out if you tell them hacked your phone. Just saying (I don't care personally)
[Hero CDMA General] dkdtaylor:
Yes, before you go to the sprint store restore to factory OS. If you don't that will void your warranty
[Hero CDMA General] stephen240:
Not if you brought it to my store ;)
[Hero CDMA General] Rsoehelk:
my trackball doesn't go down only up left and right.

inns go get a new one for 35 bucks I thinly since I have equipment protection. but even though its the hardware not the software so even if I'm rooted they shouldn't care.

Sent from my HERO200 using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk
[Hero CDMA General] 76flip:
Its my mini usb port, the audio juust stopped working, i took it in to a sprint store and they gave me a new adapter, and tested my phone and said it was the port needing repair. Do they give you a phone to use while they repair?
[Hero CDMA General] stephen240:
Most stores can't repair something like this. They will probably give you whats called an Advanced Exchange, meaning they'll order you a refurbished Hero, before you freak, there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with a refurbished phone.

Secondly they will probably not give you a loaner while they look at/repair it. It would take probably 8 minutes to activate a loaner and then look at your phone, its way more simply to just go without a phone for an hour or less.

Lastly, they will more then likely not be able to swap you same day, meaning the refurbished phone will need to be sent to the store, and you would pick it up tomorrow.

Hope this explains Sprint's process a little better.
[Hero CDMA General] 76flip:
Very helpful, thank you
[Hero CDMA General] stephen240:
Its what I'm here for :]
[Hero CDMA General] azyouthinkeyeiz:
Or mine.. :)
[Hero CDMA General] stephen240:
GTFO mine's better! Cause I'm at mine :P lol JK!
[Hero CDMA General] azyouthinkeyeiz:
*edit...

I guess I just read over the part about it being your usb port.. lol

btw...

I think I read a post from you earlier on the NASC support device forums.. I'm not sure if you're corporate, it wouldn't be NASC support but there was a stephen saying that "he might or might not frequently flash roms.. ;) )
[Hero CDMA General] stephen240:
^He is very correct in the denautered alcohol bit, I do this kind of thing all the time.

Actually I'm not coperate =/ But I do frequently flash roms :D
[Hero CDMA General] 76flip:
last question...

I kept a nandroid of stock before flashing anything, does this unroot me?
[Hero CDMA General] azyouthinkeyeiz:
Me neither...

If you go to NASC support and then login like you were checking your ASC calendar, click on device known issues, then discussion forums at the top, you can read the corporate techs known issues, etc.. Its a pretty cool place to learn
[Hero CDMA General] azyouthinkeyeiz:
No.. You are still rooted.. The nandroid was not done until after you flashed the recovery image so that will still be there...

You will just have the stock rom running on a rooted phone..
[Hero CDMA General] networx2002:
youll be fine, just nandroid it back to stock they wont even look.
[Hero CDMA General] 76flip:
Ok, wanted to share my experience...

The store i purchased my phone at initially is great, they have helped me with everything and have always been polite and courteous. After going to that store they told me to simply take it to their readynow store and they will fix it no problem. That combined with the recommendations from techs in this forum i felt very good driving 20 miles with my screaming child to the store to get it resolved.

Im back after a very angry drive home. Not only did the manager at the store let me stand waiting to be helped facing her for 10 minutes before i asked to be helped, she acted as if i were a retarted person and pointed out the audio jack on top and showed me how to put the headphone jack in.

When I explained that for the sake of better sound quality and accessories I have always used the bottom port for audio and it obviously is malfunctioning (it goes on and off when something is plugged in to audio in th mini usb)

She let out a sigh and said she would see if the tech will "even look at it". When she came back she told me that the tech says that the mini usb isn't intended for audio use and he wouldn't accept it.

I explained that my local store told me this would be taken care of here no problem and it was covered under warranty, and i spoke with a few techs online who recommended the same, and now your saying im SOL? she says yes.

I have heard horror storys about bad sprint service but I have never been treated by a company that i support with my money monthly this way. THE WORST CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE I HAVE EVER HAD! I would be fired if i talked to a customer like that and just shrugged off their problem.

Sorry for the rant
[Hero CDMA General] redram38:
This is what I did. I took mine in to get the dust removed and had no issues.
[Hero CDMA General] richse:
Just FYI, and I'm not saying you'd want to take it to court, but courts have upheld that defects in products that could not be caused by software/firmware changes must be covered under warranty even if the user changed it to some unauthorized version. The case I'm thinking about was regarding a hacked game console but the same would theoretically apply to a phone. This would have to be something like the screen dying or the usb port going bad. If the processor died they could possibly argue that you caused it with under/over clocking attempts.