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[HD2 General] korl85:
I think it's just a matter of taste.

What you need? How much time and patience you have to serch and read on specialized forum?

There are people that don't need sofisticated and customizable OS, just want a ready to use and 100% configured working OS and hardware, and this people keeps saying that iPhone are the best. (they are correct)

iPhone OS, is well adjusted and ready to use, don't lag or freeze on simple task, and you don't need to configure anything, just pay for the app and use it.

Otherside the HD2 it's a powerhouse and have much more functionality than iPhone, but to run smoothly it need constant updating and configurating.

EVERYTHING that I expect from HD2, it does very well. (these people are correct too)

I think both phones are very good, but my vote goes to HD2.

I like the fact that it does play almost avery video without converting (coreplayer and TCPMP), GPS programs avaliable for HD2 is very good too (I use iGO 8.3), HUGE SCREEN (sad that it keeps using LCD... AMOLED rox a lot), I really enjoy playing my PS1 / Snes / old consoles RPG (it runs very well), I like to remote control my pc, etc.

I really enjoy reading XDA forum, tweeking, flashing rom, so my choice was HD2, you have to know yourself before buying a phone.

I never gonna buy a HD2 for my mother or sister, not because I think they are dumb or something like it, but they don't have the same need that I have.
[HD2 General] EddyOS:
Got my moneys worth - it was free on new contract so didn't pay a penny!

Ultimately it was only good with a cooked ROM but like everything I have you have to tweak it to get it right
[HD2 General] Jim Coleman:
Nonsense! Just download and install Skyfire. It has full flash support. I have used it to watch TV using the flash-based site catchuptv.com and it works a treat! Gives you most Freeview channels.

Another thing the iPhone just cannot do. In fact, catchuptv.com had to develop a separate site just for the iPhone, because of its lack of flash support.
[HD2 General] Wildcopper:
Lemme see...

A single device replaces a mobile phone, an agenda (I like the HTC Calendar, simple and efficient), can check emails, a video player, a music player, does decent photos, can record decent movies, replaces a specialized GPS device with as good if not better performance (I use Copilot Live 8), can browse the net almost as well as on a PC with the huge touchscreen, can be customized without hacking the phone (*cough* iphone jailbreak *cough*), a radio, a TV (I get all national TV channels from Orange unlimited) when I'm on the move, has Office Mobile, can by synched with my Windows 7 PC by just plugging it in without additional software, and while not having a centralized appstore, had a HUGE library of applications and games if you just search a bit.

All this with a blazing fast processor of course, and despite what some pretend, for me the OS and the whole phone are rock stable and reliable. That's possibly because I avoid tweaking stuff I don't fully understand and I can't easily revert if it goes wrong or negatively impacts my device, and I definitely will NOT use any custom third party ROMs but only official HTC ones.

And I certainly forgot other stuff I do with my HD2.

It was definitely worth the money.
[HD2 General] PeterGuru:
Sick and Tired of threads like these ...

You know, I'm really sick and tired of threads like these.

Let's see if I can be clear and concise:

1) If you don't like your HD2, bring it back and buy another phone.

2) If you don't like your HD2, blame yourself for not doing your homework.

3) These forums are NOT to conduct research polls. They are to help people with their cellphones.

4) If you want to complain about WM-OS, try a neighbour or a friend. Personally, WM-OS works great. I did my research, knew what I was buying, and am happy with my purchase.

5) Finally, if you want to "troll," please find another site.

Sorry for the rant, but I had a bad night's sleep.

Cheers!
[HD2 General] PeterGuru:
Here, here!

What do people want, a phone that wipes their %$#?
[HD2 General] pedroxxx:
to be or not to be upset :-)

This was my first phone with WM and from HTC, so after first weeks of usage I have found so many issues about this phone which makes me feel like I have the stupidest "smartphone" ever, but at least it looks nice :-)

Since november most anoying things were pink pictures with camera, useless radio, hyper sensitive screen which was the reason why I give up writing SMS and after bug with delivering almost completely, bug in alarm, HTC Sence player bugs(which they call probably features), and last ROMs for our country are not at official pages of HTC and I have to search them at external pages like XDA, and of course disputation what was changed because of stupid description.

To buy it is an obligation, because I can not imagine someone with no technical skill or time to search XDA pages to own it (probably will be dissapointed)

So after few tweeks and installed applications I really like what I have, it is the best hi-tech toy I own for grown-up men :-) ... until it will be technical behind the current world, or I will lost it, drown it etc. the usuall stuff :-)

I will not recommend it to everyone ... still, but for me, it was definitely worth the money :-)
[HD2 General] Wildcopper:
It took me exactly a day to fully get used to the screen. Now I type SMS and other stuff very fast and without typos. It just takes some training when you come from another, less sensitive device.

But of course you have to keep trying, not give up at the first difficulty ;)
[HD2 General] donwhann:
lol, not really.skyfire is a crap browser, it lags and is far from been perfect for watching vids on plus what you gonna do when ALL vids require the latest version of flash?, one thing for sure, you wont be watching then on your hd2. also you cant play flash games on your phone because support has stopped. if your happy with skyfire fair enough but to say its nonsense about flash been dropped is infact nonsense itself.......
[HD2 General] pedroxxx:
sensitive device

From the begining it was frustrating, but I was keep on trying it. Until I found that I can not change my personality so easily, so I changed my device :-)

It is pretty stupid that you can not change such a personal thing like sensitivity of the typing with some sliders in options. Too bad the smartphones have not so smart developers :-)

You have two options, to change it in registry when you search forums for registry entries and values, which is not easy for everyone, or to wait until someone creates a cab.

I have found one cab which is best for me and I am using it, but when I look back, I can see that I am not willling to write so many SMS as it was with previous devices, or maybe I am getting older :-)
[HD2 General] Wil Badger:
Yes I'm attached to a two year contract with T-mobile. But I technically still bought the phone for $50. I wouldn't spend $500 on a phone and not be able to fully use it by trying to stick it to another carrier. Why buy the phone for $500 only to get a T-Mobile plan anyway. They are not making any extra money off of you either way. A service plan is a service plan. It's going to cost you the same whether you got it for free or bought it .
[HD2 General] zarathustrax:
Actually T-Mobile USA charges $20 extra a month for contract service plans. If you got the phone subsidized, you have to use the even more plans. If you paid full price for a phone, you can use the non-contract even more plus plans, which end up being $20 cheaper for the same plan. So it evens out in the end if you paid $200 subsidized... if you only paid $50, you end up with a better deal in the end still.
[HD2 General] james1089:
Yes its only after a month or 2 of ownership that you realise how good this phone is well worth it
[HD2 General] james1089:
Only worth doing if like me you couldnt wait for an upgrade and got so bored with iphone
[HD2 General] thaiguy:
Might I ask where you picked it up for that amount sim-free?
[HD2 General] romac:
This is the best WM phone I have ever had. I have loaded the apps that are useful to me, compatable with everything I use on Win 7, and it is very fast and stable. For every negative comment posted here there are thousands of users who are very happy with their HD2 but just can't be bothered to respond to the negative comments.
[HD2 General] PepsiM:
My reasons why I like the HTC HD2:

1. It has a great music player (which lets me make playlists on the go)

2. The Wi-Fi Router is very useful

3. I can play Divx Avis without a problem (something which Android&Iphone can't as far as I know)

4. HTC Sense looks great, especially tweaked with GTX Sense

5. The big screen is awesome for watching videos and reading the news

6. It's very thin :)
[HD2 General] dankatz1:
Well said !

Any more words just diminish it..
[HD2 General] Jim Coleman:
Skyfire isn't crap, it's great, and I don't get any lag from it. It is actually very good for watching video in my experience, although I do tend to use it only over Wifi as watching video over 3G isn't brilliant in any case. In terms of flash versions, well skyfire renders flash on its servers, and they are kept up to date with the latest version, so that will never be a problem. Any flash game on any website can be played via skyfire.

Just wanted to make sure the record was set straight. :O)
[HD2 General] Spl4tt:
"After spending more than 500$+ for your LEO, do think you've got value for money..???"

YES, FOR SURE xD

i loved winmo, i still love it, and i will still love it in 2 years xD
[HD2 General] oops675:
It indeed is value for money.

We should not expect PDAs to have a processing capabililty of a computer system.

And HD2, though is at par with other devices.

Comparisons to iPhone, which is not a PDA will be odious. iPhone is an MM device and not a PDA.

It is far more customisable than an iPhone, as I have used iPhone 3G before.

With 4.3" high resolution capacitive screen, it is defly worth even if it responds slow!
[HD2 General] ITZAWORK:
If you would have asked me this question 2 weeks ago, I would have without question said it was a complete waste of money! But...now...after I am on my 3rd HD2 I would have to say I am fully happy with my purchase.

It was a pain in the ass getting 2 phones back to back that were faulty, but now that I am on my 3rd one, this one seems to be 100% and I couldnt ask for anything more! I have always been a fan of WM...not too sure why so many people bash it...but now, I wouldnt trade it for anything!
[HD2 General] troed:
Hey You guys ! Seems You didn´t install CoOkies Hometab-tweak. With THIS HD2 beats every other phone ..........
[HD2 General] entityuk:
HD2 haters on an XDA forum = slaves to the lions...

If I had a penny for everytime iPhone and HTC product were compared...:o

My 2 cents (we're up to about 10 cents now on this thread!)

iPhone like other Apple products work out of the box and they aren't really customisable (watch this space with OS4). They're good if you spend spend spend on the apps available for it but even then you have page after page of unorganised icons. You can't subfolder them like you can WM in order to make the access nice and quick - you have to rely on a lot of finger swiping or Spotlight.

HD2 > top shelf spec that makes iPhone lovers angry/jealous because its so clear cut that the phone is BETTER in terms of hardware. Wm6.5 *****ing is done in the majority of cases by people who don't actually USE 6.5. People who leap to the conclusion that if its branded 'Windows Mobile' then its got to be bad - sad stereotyping. 6.5 is really good and is likely to be the last truly customisable platform for mobile devices to exist in the seen future. WM7... I really don't know about yet - I'm not happy from what I've read so far.

The original question then - 'good value for money':

OK buying a seriously brilliant smartphone boils down to HTC and iPhone in my books (not a Symbian fan) and compared to the arm and the leg an iPhone costs I have got BRILLIANT value for money out of my top spec HD2.

I can't stop picking it up 4 months later! I find myself manhandling my HD2 more than my friends with iPhones - speaks volumes... :) :cool:
[HD2 General] malias4:
I agree with you about the cookies its amazing, and in fact im really happy with my hd2. I got it new for 380e and im lovin it.. Can customize so much and really enjoy it :p
[HD2 General] james1089:
I daren't say that I payed £500 for this phone on release day,as alinux user I

thought I would hate this wmobile os phone.You know what I did but after a couple of weeks that changed.I would love to say i hate windows mobile but 6.5 is rather good.After returning to an Iphone I realised just how much better the HD2 is you just need to give it a couple of weeks if coming from a different operating system.
[HD2 General] Mazahaka999:
YES!!! Why shouldn't it be worth it??? Big capacitive, multitouch screen, fast processor, a lot of ram... Everythig is just good.
[HD2 General] tictac0566:
Yes. Simple as that.

I am a buyer of tech gadgets since more than 20 years. Actually, I check and test before spending money.

In case of HD2, I did not hesitate one second. In other cases, I did, only to learn a little later that I made

a compromise.

I enjoy my HD2 since half a year now. This did not happen before with any other phone.
[HD2 General] msmith1991:
you sig is a lil creepy lols!

but i paid full retail for my TMOUS HD2 Well worth the money!!
[HD2 General] dhopeton:
I'm really trying to like this phone,one would think Bing app would be better than iphone since microsoft owns the darn thing.Facebook app sucks in general on windowsmobile,but overall i can live with it....i still carry/use my iphone 3gs on wifi anyway when i'm at work.
[HD2 General] flunik:
lol. it costed me 370 lats. about 740$ :D

without any data plan or whatever)
[HD2 General] nicolasl46:
I'm still forcing myself to like the phone. Maybe you guys can help me a little. I come from an iphone, my hd2 hangs almost everytime I get a text, sometimes while typing, it takes forever to finish a "word" (i will be finished typing, and the word slowly appears on the screen. Sometimes I have to soft reset the phone to even make a call. I see myself reseting the phone at least 3-4 times a day, and that is really annoying. the phone is bone stock aside from HSPL that I used to install cooked ROMs which I didn't like and went back to TMOUSA ROM. I also tryed some registry tweaks to see if I can boost something on the phone, and no luck. I don't want to sound negative, but what good is a phone that I have to tweak it so much in order for it to work properly?
[HD2 General] daemonfly:
For $99, I'd say I got a good value. 1st phone had tons of problems, so returned that right away. 2nd phone came and I haven't had any major problems with it. No lockups, although a few apps have caused a slowdown, I just kill the app & run cleanRAM.

Come from the Samsung T-401G from Net10, so can't compare to anything at the HD2's level, although I miss the pull-out keyboard :(
[HD2 General] msmith1991:
i dont have these problems and im back on the stock rom..make sure u have tmous latest rom which i think is 2.10 its something .10
[HD2 General] nicolasl46:
Yes, I have the latest TMo ROM, but its really buggy. what bugs me is to have to tweak with the registry, why can't it work right out of the box? If it didn't have so much lag, and wouldn't freeze so often, this would be the best phone I ever had, but right now I'm hating it. Any tips to help me out are greatly appreciated.
[HD2 General] erebusting:
YES, HERE is why...

Yes I believe I got my moneys worth, but here is why...

I have the Tmobile HD2, got it with a contract upgrade ...so it was only 199.99

PLUS, it comes with a 16gb SDHC card, also theese are negligible but it came with things like Guitar hero 5 (full, not demo), transformers 1 and 2... not to mention a Gel Skin (which I do not use anymore, but it is my preferred type of case to leather)....also:

it came with 1gb of ROM compared to the 512 or so with the Other hd2...

now what do you think?
[HD2 General] StarLog:
Every year the phones get better, this is the next stage in a perfect phone.

I want a ipad with a cell phone and camera in it. Oh well, next year will produce that.

I love the camera, much better then the G1 camera. I am happy, and will keep it.
[HD2 General] gsingh7:
Simple answer YES!. its well worth it.;)
[HD2 General] eenbox:
It's not all about "it has all old stuff" ... if you are buying a phone to show-off and not to use it to fit your lifestyle - go with iPhonee ...

I do not regret decision as I still do not see what sucks about 6.5 ... don't get me wrong, lots of ppl are probably right when they say not liking WinMo 6.5 OS - but I have used Android on G1 and let me tell you - that was one CHOPPY MF :) ... returned it within first 10 days... Procesor handles EVERYTHING without the problem and I am sure that even Nexus with the same CPU becomes choppy in some instance (you can see it on Youtube). Android has no smoothness of iPhonee for instance - with HD2 it is simply different ... better and different...
[HD2 General] fantasytozi:
Oh well, way too many threads like this.

In my conclusion after spending money on Hero->3GS->HD2, HD2 is the greatest of all, with Cookies Home Tabs, with Cooked roms, with XDA, nothings can beat it, nothings can compare to Winmo, in terms of customization and tweaking.

Winmo is for people who like to tweak and customize, master the phone.

I felt I got bored real quick with Android OS and Iphone OS, but not till now with Winmo. I see so many guys want to jump over to Android OS, me in the past, but trust me, if u dont want a device that looks the same everyday and stay the same for months waiting for update, u shouldnt. Sense on Android is great, however it has its limits, and still cant compare to what customizations can do with Winmo, Cookies home tab for example.
[HD2 General] james1089:
Thats not right try running mtty to rid the phone of any old files from the previous rom.Then try another custom rom there are some good ones out there that will suit you, unless theres a problem with the phone itself.:confused:
[HD2 General] shandoli:
mythoughts exactly...guy spent 500 dollars on a phone he doesn't even like..lolz
[HD2 General] nicolasl46:
what ROM do you recommend? I don't want anything buggy, I like the features of the stock ROM (but I would like to get rid of the apps that I dont't use ex: Barnes & Robles, Blockbuster, ect)
[HD2 General] ala380:
Ok first of all I have never been happier with a phone than I am with my HD2 with the hacks and tweaks that I've done. It's a fantastic piece of hardware with an unbelievably customizable OS. Now here is my question. If I went out today and bought a computer that was running XP and that fact was made perfectly clear before I bought it why the hell would I then complain to others that I just bought a computer that is running an older operating system? Just because you didn't research fully and you don't know what you're doing does not make this a crappy phone. I would rather have an operating system that I can customize and tweak to my hearts content than be locked down on a piece of crap. The complaints are getting ridiculous and to top it off you had 14/30 days to try it and return it. I am NOT a fanboy (well actually fangirl) in fact I had an android device and I love android but I bought this phone knowing that it was running windows mobile. If you want an iphone buy an iphone and if you want an android device buy an android device, get over it.
[HD2 General] digitallysick:
Its strange, I got the HD2, later hated it, found the tweaks here , went through a whole lot of them and now its a decent phone.

So many gabs I swear they just need to make a script to run to change all these registry tweaks
[HD2 General] zarathustrax:
That's exactly what I've been trying to get across to some of these people. You should choose your smartphone by what OS it's running just like you would a computer. I wouldn't go out and buy a mac because I liked the screen when I don't like the mac os. I don't go out and buy a Linux based server system because it had better hardware than the windows pcs. You should look at the OS first and get a device with an OS your comfortable with.
[HD2 General] dailydriver:
Since you hate it. I will buy it off of you for $100. That's how much I paid for mine. Best phone I ever purchased.
[HD2 General] star_anemone:
there's one

i'm a chinese student and sorry to my poor English first~

i use WM since the HP4700 .HTC viva & D2 . so i consider WM more like a PDA rather than mobile.

now i'm going to change my phone again but i've fell in love with android..

there's only one software that give me a reason to stay.

the software named "Mdict" ~maybe you never heard or you've used it.

it can be download from http***www*octopus-studio*com/download.cn.htm (chinese)

***To prevent spam to the forums, new users are not permitted to post outside links in their messages. All new user accounts will be verified by moderators before this restriction is removed.**

and you can find too many dictionaries(including wikipedia ) form the net.

SMemoCE is also an perfect software to help me remember words:p

:cool:
[HD2 General] james1089:
well im using "Axlor V10" and no bugs what so ever

with radio 2.08.50.05 just check its compatible with your device.Cabs im using are cookie home screen (obviously) Opera 10 with flash support and throttle launcher

for windows 7 theme (but thats a bit buggy but usable)
[HD2 General] 10332007:
I wanted the phone since its original release. I got exactly what I wanted and I am very happy with it. I have played with roms and stuff before and it was fun, but I'm still on the bone stock T-mo US rom and actually really enjoying it.

My only problem is how crappy marketplace is for applications for the phone, but whatever.
[HD2 General] ounkeo:
I'm happy

Considering I got the phone for FREE, I most definitely got my money's worth and then some!

Yes it came with a 2 yr contract but I was going to recontrct that line anyway (a line with contract comes with 30% discount on monthly bill), with or without new phone. I recontracted for the discount and they said "Pick one...any one you like..."

So for me, it was completely and utterly free.

Oh sure, I get frustrated with it sometimes due to some hangs, slowdowns and sometimes things generally just bugging out; but the reality is, all smartphones are about as unreliable in that sense; even the iPhone with it's sudden sluggishness, dropped calls, freezing, forced reboots has its fair share of problems.

And once you get past the "i haz 200,000 appZZ!!!" you realise, you only need a dozen or so. My last phones (N97), I spent over 6 weeks trying out programs from a catalog of only 4000. 200k is a wasteful distraction, nothing more.

Once you've used an OS, there's no such thing as "better". The only thing that matters is, does this smartphone perform the functions you bought it for and maybe a bit extra?

Does it need to do something other phones don't? No. Pick the device based on what you need and want from it.

For me, the HTC HD2 delivers.
[HD2 General] pakure:
comparing hd2 with ipoop?....just see this video ...shows what you can do with hd2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdcLonAiYUo[/URL]

iam just waiting for this..lol