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[Nexus One Accessories] jm9843:
Any AMPS mounting holes or is it suction cup only?

What's the diameter of the adhesive suction cup disc? I'm curious if it'll stick to the mount that I used to use with my satellite radio dock.

Thanks for posting details, mine doesn't arrive until Saturday. :(
[Nexus One Accessories] krumb:
diameter of disc = roughly 2.5 - 2.75 inches.

no AMPS mounting - suction only.
[Nexus One Accessories] KnightMAREcrow:
I've included pictures of the Car Dock also.

I know many people were worried that when docked they would not be able to use hands free devices.

I have my jabra stone working. I went into bluetooth settings. I set phone audio to go thru my jabra headset and media audio to go thru the car dock speaker.

It works people :)

Secondly the build quality is superb. Really feels luxurious lol.

Any questions feel free to ask.
[Nexus One Accessories] krohnjw:
Good to hear it works like the dock with BT options!
[Nexus One Accessories] martin0285:
Can you try using the headphone jack to provide music audio to car stereo, while having the phone options (calls ect) going thru the dock? Thanks man.
[Nexus One Accessories] KnightMAREcrow:
I dont have an Auxillary jack in my car, but i did plug my headphones in to see if audio is routed thru and can confirm that it wont be an issue running an RCA jack to and from your phone to your car stereo

Edit:

I forgot you asked about phone calls, while my headphones were plugged in, I was able to use my bluetooth headset to answer calls and have the phone audio still routed thru the headset. :)
[Nexus One Accessories] dahui9:
I don't have my radio fully installed yet but I found something interesting. I can dock my radio and car dock at the same time for certain items.

I have my radio playing my BT audio a2dp profile and the cardock for calls works great and the music streaming from Pandora stops when I get a call :D

Phone heats up in navagation mode, but that is normal with any navigation phone that I have had.

-Charlie
[Nexus One Accessories] martin0285:
Had this problem, started thread and no one else has posted in it so apparently theres not many having the problem.... Mine did this 3x the first day and hasn't since, so I have no clue....

Mine has been blistering hot but if you search the thread multiple people have seen this. If we end up frying out **** we plan on storming HTC/Google HQs for replacements don't worry!! No really, i'm sure it was tested and I have seen ZERO "long-term" effects from the seemingly excessive heat....It is a SNAPDRAGON!!
[Nexus One Accessories] uansari1:
How long are you guys running navigation for that the phone gets "blistering" hot?
[Nexus One Accessories] martin0285:
hour or so..... while charging, connect via BT...... Screen staying on, LALALA....
[Nexus One Accessories] uansari1:
Damn... I figured if it was hours at a time, that would make sense... but just an hour?! Everyone needs to be calling Google's support number.

This is the only reason I haven't yet ordered the car dock.
[Nexus One Accessories] krohnjw:
I don't see how this is a "problem" of the dock. I've had this problem with every smart phone I've owned and each was used without a "dock".

When you are draining the battery at a high rate as well as constantly charging you are going to get heat, and a lot of it, due to simple resistance. The end goal is the phone is able to dissipate enough heat so that the battery does not overheat and damage itself or cause other damage to internal components.

You can't constantly drain and charge a battery without creating heat. Higher drain + higher charge rate = more heat. If you want to use the GPS and cell Radio (data for maps) with the screen on without draining the battery you are going to have to charge at a rather high rate compared to when the phone is sitting idle or just streaming over BT for example. The internal components create heat as well as the battery itself. This is rather unavoidable - the only thing you can really do is try to design the device to dissipate this heat in an efficient manner.

With that said the N1 seems to do a decent job dissipating heat. The dock doesn't seem to allow it to get significantly hotter than just laying the phone down on a non conductive surface with the same functions going. For a comparison my CDMA touch pro it would get so hot the phone would stop functioning (GPS would cease functioning it would get so hot) until it cooled down.

Feel free to call Google, but i would suspect it won't get you very far. Outside of embedding a fan in the rear of the dock to pull hot air away from the device there's not a lot they can do.
[Nexus One Accessories] arkavat:
I have a simple question to those who have their dock set to use phone and car audio system to use media... both by bluetooth.

Now as i understand, when the phone is slipped into dock, it powers up the bluetooth on phone and sync with the dock.

Now, if my car audio system is already paired with the phone... does phone go ahead and connect to car system automatically as well...

i mean.. here is what I hope happens

1) phone gets in dock

2) automatically syncs with dock as phone

3) automatically syncs with car audio system as media

Please do let me know. I will pull the trigger as soon as i get a better picture of how this thing will work out.
[Nexus One Accessories] martin0285:
Really couldn't agree more.... I was just pointing out how fast it can get hot.... I'm 100% in belief this was tested enough to ensure we will have no problems..... We have to all remember exactly how much this N1 is doing on the dock.... Charging, BT, Data going out/in, apps running, music playing, screens on....List can go on and on....To date (what 3 weeks?) no one has had any problems with use of dock and overheating, so go buy your dock ppl.... They are fiiiiine!!
[Nexus One Accessories] URPREY:
I posted a YouTube video earlier in this thread that shows this, but you can select which part of the sync you want to happen with the dock : calls and/or media

For instance, you could use the dock for a speakerphone and still use A2DP to your radio for playing music, etc.
[Nexus One Accessories] arkavat:
Yeah I already saw your video... great video BTW... your video pretty much convinced me to buy the dock.

I actually want to know what happens when you dock the phone? i mean, does it auto trigger Bluetooth on the phone? or you need to do that manually.

It might not in your setup as you don't have dock sync for phone nor media.. but if I sync phone with dock and media with car... does the phone auto sync with car stereo when phone auto syncs with dock?
[Nexus One Accessories] URPREY:
When you dock the phone it automatically goes into car/dock mode. You can bypass this by installing Dock Nothingness from the market (I found it to be annoying as I don't always want that simplified interface when my phone is docked).

Yes, because their is a separate profile for speakerphone and media, your phone can connect to the dock for one and your radio for the other. I've tested it and it worked fine on my N1. I do, however, leave bluetooth on and have not tested to see if it automatically enables it when it goes into the dock. I can try that out on my way home.
[Nexus One Accessories] arkavat:
Thanks!

Please do tell me if it triggers bluetooth.
[Nexus One Accessories] URPREY:
I forgot I have my desktop dock here at work which should behave the same as the car dock. If I tell the phone to use the desktop dock for media, it does, in fact, turn on bluetooth when docked and disables it when undocked.

It should be the same behavior with the car dock. Sweet.
[Nexus One Accessories] arkavat:
I went ahead and pulled the trigger! In any case it is no deal breaker for me.

i have my old cheap ebay car holder from WinMo times.. but looking at your video, it is quite obvious that the build quality is leagues apart. I initially thought the dock is too expensive, but I think the value of the dock exceeds it's cost.
[Nexus One Accessories] URPREY:
The dock also comes with a charger so for the price I think it's reasonable. Good luck!
[Nexus One Accessories] driftmon:
It triggers bluetooth, but I find that when I take it out of the car dock, it does not turn the bluetooth off if before you docked it, it was off. I'm not sure if that's because I'm on CM 5.0.6 or not.
[Nexus One Accessories] URPREY:
Weird. I'll have to test this. I'm on CM 5.0.6 also, and with my desktop dock it does turn BT on and off automatically.
[Nexus One Accessories] uansari1:
Well, one of the reasons I've waiting so long to order is to see if anyone ended up having serious issues with the heat. It seems like perhaps I'm overestimating how hot the phone is getting...

Agreed... the phone's doing A LOT. Frankly, even if I were to use the dock, I can't imagine using it for navigation on an entire trip... probably just when I was getting off a highway in an area I didn't know. Playing music and taking phone calls would be the only other use for me. I'll probably order mine in a week or two. :)
[Nexus One Accessories] URPREY:
All worked as it was supposed to in the car

; BT turned on when in the dock and off when I removed it.

Sent from my Nexus One
[Nexus One Accessories] martin0285:
ya man... I rarely use mine right now but come this summer will be nice for camping!!! Thing can charge so fast it you don't keep screen on ect. so gonna be awesome!!!

Also, late night rides on the logging trails will produce awesome videos!!!!
[Nexus One Accessories] krohnjw:
For longer trips using nav simply keeping air moving around it has prevented it from getting very hot at all even when it's been in direct sunlight and it's hot as heck outside.

Throwing the AC on defrost when it was 85+ or even just defrost with warm air (when it was under 40) kept the device plenty cool when removed from the dock. I wouldn't worry long term as it seems pretty easy to mitigate heat build up if it's on the windshield or top of the dash.
[Nexus One Accessories] arkavat:
Sweet! Did you sync phone profile with dock and media profile with car? or both with dock?
[Nexus One Accessories] URPREY:
Phone with dock and media with car.

Sent from my Nexus One
[Nexus One Accessories] elzee:
Has anyone tried to use the video camera while it's in the dock?

Seems the suction cup will get in the way? Pity the arm isn't telescopic.
[Nexus One Accessories] arkavat:
it just depends on how you position it.
[Nexus One Accessories] URPREY:
Works fine for me and the suction cup doesn't get in the way if you place it on the windshield properly.
[Nexus One Accessories] MadFlava:
I havent had any problems with heat. The only complain I have about the dock is it tends to want to move around when I rotate the phone. I used the adhesive disk on the dash to secure it. My windshield is too far away from me for it to be useful mounted there.
[Nexus One Accessories] martin0285:
Ya as others have said if you position it just right your fine. Another thing you can do (which worked better for me) was just zoomed in one click... Zoomed past the suction cup w/o problems and video quality was still fine.....+ rumor has is @Cyan have HD video out working.....hm.......HEHEHEHE
[Nexus One Accessories] ajayendra:
Car Dock looses Bluetooth connection

Car dock is great but it looses bluetooth connection all the time when docked. I have to manually disconnect the cigarette lighter power and put it back again for it to work.

Also, when it looses connection, bluetooth on the phone remains "on".

Has anyone of you faced the problem?

Thanks
[Nexus One Accessories] arkavat:
is your phone paired with other devices other than dock? if yes, are they in proximity of the phone when this happens?

I synced my phone with dock and media profile with car system. Now Bluetooth doesn't disconnect itself after I remove it from dock. I wished it would.. but it does not.
[Nexus One Accessories] kitsunisan:
Question for anyone with the dock, how is the finish on the bottom of your phone holding up? I've seen a few posts around about the phone's finish peeling around the contacts, just wondering if its a widespread issue or just rough handling of the phone.
[Nexus One Accessories] krohnjw:
I use the desktop dock daily as well as the car dock - no damage that I can see to the bottom finish.
[Nexus One Accessories] kpjimmy:
Received my car dock was well last week. I have a Zaggskin with a pic of my daughter on it, so that is why it's Zagg and not BSE :P. Anyways, the car dock does stretch/mark up the top of the phone a bit when you place the phone in. Other than that, it is a well made car dock.
[Nexus One Accessories] tropmonky:
You get a cable like this http://www.crutchfield.com/S-7oHjZ8L0EPY/p_127SNI135/PAC-SNI-1-3-5-Noise-Filter.html?tp=2653

The phone is picking up engine noise from the power outlet... it's very common. With this cable installed in my car the sound is crystal clear!

Oh, and after about a week of using it no marks on my phone what-so-ever.
[Nexus One Accessories] garfnodie:
This dock seems to be pretty awesome and I really want it, I just don't like that no one makes a comparable dock that works with a case. I am just too hard on phones and have to have a case. I currently have a CM Tough case, and it has already saved me countless times. Just yesterday, I was putting my phone into my pocket when it slipped out of my hand and landed perfectly flat and face down on the asphalt. That would have for sure been a shattered screen and I can't afford a replacement as I got this phone on a 2 year contract with T-Mobile (really with I could get Best Buys insurance on this, $10 a month, no questioned asked replacement short of full submersion in water). Sure, there are universal options out there, but I doubt the built in speaker would work to well with it facing into a dock, and I don't have and can't afford a BT capable head unit at this time. I suppose if I had the modding skills of BenHeck, I could modify the this dock, but I don't. So I guess I'm stuck with just using my existing charger and setting in my passenger seat.
[Nexus One Accessories] MaximReapage:
I use the car dock like mad - literally every time I get in the car - and I have no peeling around the contacts.
[Nexus One Accessories] dahui9:
Well I've had my dock for about a month now and barely use it :(

Its been hard to find the time to supply a new power source to use it.. there are 2 spots in my car where the dock would work comfortable without problems, only problem is on the right side of my radio the arm doesn't telescope enough to look at me and plug into the charger without the cord getting into the way..

Has anyone taken it apart and tried modifying the arm to full telescoping ablility. I'm not worried about my cords just breaking the plastic.

-Charlie
[Nexus One Accessories] xnoxpx:
Here's some disassembled pics

picasaweb.google.com/xnoxpx/N1CarDock#

(Because I'm a new user I'm not allowed to post "Outside Links")

My plan (still evolving) is to route the dock's audio to my car stereo

I was originally looking to use the spare USB contacts, now I'm leaning towards chopping the dock up and building my own permanent mount.
[Nexus One Accessories] elzee:
I dunno. I took the N1 into my car and travelled around 300klm. The N1 was scalding hot!! The battery drained completely and just as I needed Google maps to direct me in my location, it shut down! FTW!??

I was running BT and Trapster the whole way but this dock/phone runs far too hot. So on the trip back home I just used the Google car-charger without the dock and the N1 still got hot as heck and again by the time I got back home the phone was dead flat and had shutdown!

The dock's physics suck! Trying to attach it to my windscreen was near impossible to achieve. Can't say I'm particulary enamoured with this google product so far!

The bloody $10 Chinese mobile phone mount and a cheapy USB car charger seeems to works better! Anyone want a google car dock? I'm thinking of selling mine real soon! :(
[Nexus One Accessories] logger:
Well that statement pretty much rules out the Car Dock as being the culprit and points to the charger or the phone. It could also be related your cars power outlet, Have you tried the charger in another make of car to see if it still gets as hot? Wonder if CyanogenMod is messing with charge regulation as well. Mines the stock ROM and charging in a VW. While the phone gets warm to hot it has never been an issue for me.

I havent found that. Mine is still firmly mounted from the first time I affixed it a few weeks back.

Yeah, I could use another one at the right price.
[Nexus One Accessories] slimfady:
Just got my car dock,

Love it so far. I only wish if there was a way to customize Car Home. It's really bugging me that they did not include voice dialing (Without using voice search).
[Nexus One Accessories] sn95chico:
car doc

my phone gets so hot on this car doc

and i thinks it cyanogens new rom because it runs hotter then normal

do any of you guys have the same problems
[Nexus One Accessories] logger:
I reckon there is good chance you are correct. Have a look back at post #219 where someone else has reported the same. Well actually he has reported a hot phone and blamed the dock. But his signature happens to mention he runs cyanogen which I was suspecting as a likely cause.
[Nexus One Accessories] FrederickUK:
You've blown the switched 12v fuse on your car or on the headunit. (Most probably the headunit, it should be either in the back of the headunit itself or in it's power cabling)

The reason I think this has happened is because the N1 charges via USB, so your headunit has to power it - if your switched live fuse is 500mA, then it's going to be the weak link as the N1 pulls 500mA for standard USB+Data charge. If you use a home adaptor, it is wired differently inside and allows 1A to be pulled.

If your headunit does have a 500mA fuse, it needs to use some power for running the headunit - asking it to supply 500mA to the USB on top of whatever it needs for running itself would mean that the fuse lets go.

The reason I'm saying it's the switched live one, is because to all intents and purposes, the headunit is "off" - ie it doesn't have the 12v signal to say "turn on" because the fuse isn't in the circuit. If the permanent live fuse had gone, the screen wouldn't have closed, and the headunit wouldn't have gone through it's power off procedure.

I can't see the phone trying to push any drivers to the headunit, for one - the HU software is in a EEPROM and isn't flashable by usual means, it would only accept signed binaries and only by instigating the FW flash on the headunit itself. Secondly, the phone doesn't actually have any drivers of it's own that are in user space, to push to other hardware. That's not how things happen!

Hope this helps :)
[Nexus One Accessories] irishrally:
I also notice the N1 getting ridiculously hot when in the dock running google navigation, and on top of that sitting in the sun. I really don't feel comfortable using the N1 in the dock on sunny days. I did lower the cpu frequency in setcpu profiles during charging but that didn't seem to help too much.

Also, I think this has nothing to do with the CM ROM.
[Nexus One Accessories] logger:
You will never know unless you try it without the CM Rom. Mine is stock and it does not get particularly hot. The only way you will ever know the cause will be to isolate potential culprits. Most people blame the dock but dont think to try plugging the dock charger into the phone directly. If it still gets as hot, then you can rule out the dock itself as the cause.
[Nexus One Accessories] arkavat:
serach for car dock v2 app on market. It is a very nice replacement for car home.
[Nexus One Accessories] flappjaxxx:
Just got my car dock today and no issues so far. My phone did get hot today during the hot sunny hours but did not get hot tonight. Also my phone was fully charged already tonight as opposed to only partially charged this afternoon when I docked it. So maybe the hot phones are a result of charging? I was also playing music and using navigation both times for roughly the same amount of time.
[Nexus One Accessories] logger:
I used my car dock for a three hour drive yesterday. Continuously running Nav, streaming music via BT to desk dock and charging. Started trip at 80% charge and arrived at destination with a full charge, green light on and phone only slightly warmer that normal. Stock 2.1 Rom.

So all good here. Couldn't be happier.
[Nexus One Accessories] johnp263:
Stock rom and driving into the sun the Nexus got very very hot.

I am not worried about it. It can't be much hotter than leaving a phone in a locked car and I've never had a phone stop working because of that.
[Nexus One Accessories] MadFlava:
Broke my first car dock.. Im now on #2. Lets see how long this one lasts.
[Nexus One Accessories] warburto:
I'm having the same problem. Defective product? Doesn't sound like anyone else is having this issue. I'm thinking of contacting HTC and getting a replacement.
[Nexus One Accessories] ajayendra:
Card Dock Problems, Google needs to address !

I almost read the entire thread and prior to that, did some extensive testing on dock by myself. Here are my conclusions on the dock + phone behavior.

1. HEAT: Has been mentioned multiple times but yes, the phone gets extremely hot. I tested this on stock ROM, CM 5.0.6, CM 5.0.7 and all do the same. Last week I tested it on Froyo RC version, it was even worse. The phone got so hot that it was almost hard to hold in hands. Whatever the explanation you guys are giving about phone doing "so much" and charging at the same time, this is unjustifiable. Hey, I have used my at&t tilt 2 (TP2), Nokia E71 etc. charging and navigating at the same time for hours on long drive. They never got hot. Warm at the worst. This is a problem with dock + dock integration.

2. BT: Bluetooth does get disconnected. Again tested on all the ROMs mention above. The only way it would connect again is by removing the phone from dock and re-inserting or unplug-plug the car charger. Very annoying! esp. if its navigating or on call.

3. Screen Unresponsive: I am surprised I didn't see much on this in the thread. When the phone is on the dock for some time (>15minutes) and take the phone out, the screen is unresponsive and will do it for about a minute. Got to give it some time to stabilize. Please don't argue how much phone was "working" because again I have done these stuffs with several phones and haven't seen any issue. Cannot believe this could be case with an expensive and great phone as nexus one. Sometimes this happens on the desktop dock too. However, with the Froyo this problem was not that bad since the phone is probably faster (450%). Have you guys seen this problem?

4. Screen orientation: Didn't bother me much but, is going to get fixed in Froyo.

5. Very annoyoing volume control button. This is also ridiculous, doesn't integrate with phone's volume control! C'mmon Google! If it didn't, Google, why didn't you leave the space vaccant on the dock where we have vol controls for the phone itself. Didn't have the integration on Froyo. Bummer!

6. MIC: Mic is really weak while driving. Maybe a safety feature, but at least give user the right to enable-disable the mic as its given or navigation.

I am guessing I got too critical on this but, I don't think that docks should only be designed to "just charge", it should be able to multi-task. If you guys haven't seen one or multiple problems stated, let me know, maybe my dock is bad :(.

Thanks for listening.