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[Desire General] Moandal:
In response to your "advantages":

1) If AMOLED allows the phone to be thinner and more compact, how come the HD2 is thinner than the Desire?

2) You haven't explained how the HD2 can run a 35% bigger screen with a 12% smaller battery if it's screen requires more power in real-life usage.

3) Fair enough.

4) You're talking about AMOLED displays in theory. I'm talking about the specific implementation on the Desire (and Nexus One). I don't have a Desire to compare side-by-side with the HD2. However Neowin.net do have an iPhone to compare it with, and it doesn't compare well. http://www.neowin.net/news/nexus-one039s-amoled-screen-only-uses-16-bit-color

5) "+1 for AMOLED in general" is irrelevant when we're talking about the Desire specificially. Both the Desire and the HD2 are poor, although given how poor the HD2 is, maybe the Desire does sneak a point on this one.

6) The image response on the HD2 is fast enough for any delay to be un-noticeable. Anything better than un-noticeable is still no better in practice. If you think it's noticeable on the HD2, give me a link to a review or article to back up your claims.

7) I stop operating below -20C and above +35C, never mind my phone, so this point is utterly irrelevant.

8) Same comment as 4) above.

You're grasping on to the theory of AMOLED displays in general. I'm talking about the Desire specifically and how it stands up in real life against other phones for important things like power usage and colour reproduction.
[Desire General] gogol:
Come on, you came up with this kind of question?

The hardware is DIFFERENT, do you think ALL AMOLED devices should be this thin or that thin?

Again, I don't think this would be an exact comparison. You simply cant, because the OS is different, the video driver is different, etc! Which one is more efficient? How do you measure real-life usage? The hardware is DIFFERENT.

You cant just factor the screen alone on this.

It would be meaningful if you come up with similar Android device that runs same level of OS but using LCD as the screen.

Please, don't bring this to a discussion about HD2 vs Desire!!!

This thread is intended to find out if "black background" could SAVE MORE BATTERY LIFE on HTC Desire.

*begging* ... please don't stir this discussion out of context.
[Desire General] irkan:
It does :D
[Desire General] gogol:
Sure, but as I said, how big is the additional battery life saving? :D

If it is not that significant, then forget it.

10% would be nice ... Imagine average 10 hours battery life , +10% = 11 hours:)

Damn! I need my HTC Desire NOW!! :D
[Desire General] Moandal:
The power consumption figures for an AMOLED screen in the "Why my AMOLED..." sticky suggest that an all white screen uses 7 times as much power (yes 700% more) than a mostly black screen. So it's an absolutely huge saving.
[Desire General] RaptorRVL:
True, but how many times do you actually look at a completely white screen?

But I think some things got mixed up along the way. Will a black baground use less energy than a white background: yes! Will e.g. the mail, messages etc app use less energy when using a black background (and white text): yes! Will an amoled screen on average use less energy: yes!

But really, the more I think about it the less of an issue it becomes. YES! Making everything black will obviously save a lot of energy!

So making the whole messaging application black, with only dark grey for the readable items will obviously save a lot of energy (if you spend a lot of time messaging :D ).

But do you really want that (there is a reason why people like white backgrounds :D )? And are there other things that can affect battery life the same or more? (the amount of pop3 updates you do each day, or how much time you spend with wi-fi on, or how long you listen to music or watch a video).

But.. on the other hand. I think we might see some 'black themes' pretty soon once the Desire is more 'customizeable' with root etc.

It will save energy, no denying that. Only the amount is questionable, and is mostly dependant on useage:

If your phone spends most of it's time in standby, it's not gonna help you much.

If you are one of those people who spend the whole freaking day texting to other people, yeah, a black theme will probably gain you some battery :D
[Desire General] gogol:
Well, if I can figure out how many minutes can be saved on HTC Desire (specifically) for using black background color, then I will start looking app that is "AMOLED friendly" (blackish or less white background).

For example, I (we) spend a lot of time in XDA forums :) Then I will use the Android XDA app from TapaTalk because it has black background instead of using the web version.

AK Notepad color can be configured (if I am not mistaken), this would be my choice for notepad app.

And so on ...

Of course, on certain apps or websites, you cannot avoid white background. But at least, I could try to build AMOLED friendly app list :D
[Desire General] frank_j:
I search using Black Google Mobile at bGoog.com to get a longer battery life on my AMOLED phone and to reduce my data usage. I definitely have noticed a longer battery life since using only black backgrounds on my phone. Black can use over 4x less power than white on OLED screens!
[HD2 General] Kingtut1977:
can anyone tell me which is better to get ??? i have no idea about the performance of the Android 1.5 ... plzz help me :confused:
[HD2 General] eenbox:
If you want to consume over the phone... Android / iPhone is a go ... if you want consuming plus billion possibilities of making your phone more fun, more easy, more of everything - get HD2 ...

I'm HD2... are you?
[HD2 General] Kingtut1977:
Thanks Dude .. now am goin 2 be HD2 myself :)
[HD2 General] ivo34:
The expert of M3digtal word have tested both of them and there give to Xperia 10 in the scale of 10 a 5,hd2 have a 8!
[HD2 General] addicus:
I've never used an ExperiaX10 but I've had my HD2 for about 4 days. I must say i picked up my 8525 today and thought "Damn this **** looks ugly!".

My wife was always the one complaining about me being on my phone all the time. Now that I got her an HD2 also, she is bragging about it to everyone she meets, watching movies while working out at the gym, taking pics/videos of the kids all the time and basically being a total freaking junkie like I've been for the last 4 years.

I can only say the HD2 is a great experience.
[HD2 General] cMMY69:
Don't know but isn't the latest version of Android actually 2.1 Update 1 so it's out of date already?
[HD2 General] Techvir:
I am in the same boat now..

2 questions that are still un answered for me --

1. Will android 2.1 update make x10 a better phone ?

2. Will HD2 be getting a fully functional android when its elder twin brother HTC EVO comes out in another 2 months ?

Meanwhile i will stick on to my everhated iphone ( jailbroken iphone ofcourse) that actually meets all my needs
[HD2 General] donalgodon:
1. Yes, it will.... if it is made.

2. No, the EVO is not the same phone, any more than a Corvette is a Porsche because they both have four tires and a steering wheel. The HD2 will likely never run Android fully, and definitely not as an HTC sanctioned ROM.
[HD2 General] jnlinh:
HD2 is better for you :D, X10 suck
[HD2 General] zerglisk:
X10 comes with Android 1.6 with the support of upgrading to 2.1 in the future. However, the multi-touch is announced to be not supported no matter which android version the phone receives.

Android will have more apps, but HD2 basically has more possibility of making it better and more fun if you just spend some time doing research and try out new things.

If you are not a so much tech person, maybe android will be a better platform to choose over WinMo 6.5.
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
go and get htc desire ,or x10 but never get hd2 ,android is the future ,wm6.5 is totally dead
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] DiMa1720:
How do you link contacts to FB, it seems that some of my contacts are linked and some arnt that once were...Is this a rom issue, because i followed the steps to fix FB sync issue, and some of the contacts do sync. But now i cant even create a new contact and link them to facebook

Thanks In Advance...
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] aclearersky:
I read in the forum here that it was doign that because the autokiller setting were too strick (Sorry Cant remember who said it so cant give credit). So change that to default then click the sync button. I did this and about 4 hours later all my facebook contacts pictures synced. hope that helps

also update facebook in the market
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] DiMa1720:
yeah i did the auto killer setting adjustment, but i cant link new contacts with FB...is there another method?
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] Tenny:
Not sure exactly what you are asking, but I think I know.

You have contact A, and they also have a Facebook account, but they are not linked at all. You want them linked. Open up "People" go to contact "A", then move the slider to the right to the Updates tab, and it should say something along the lines of "Link to a Facebook Profile". Click that, and select the profile.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] centran:
go into settings and accounts and delete facbook then re-add it.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] DiMa1720:
Exactly ! Thanks it was driving me nuts ... it used to be @ edit contact screen , now its moved , thanks for the info , I can relax now
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] ElAguila:
I had problems early on with not all of my facebook contacts showing up. I deleted the facebook account. Before adding it back I went to applications and scrolled down to facebook for htc sense and cleared the data.
[G1 Android Development] tetu_024:
Good Morning,

I was going to install OpenEclair v1.2.1 but i did some searches and apperantly one needs to flash the radio before then flash danger spl then the OS. Could some one guide me on what must be done first? I've just migrated from windows based phones to android... and the procedure is different ;-(

Thanks

TeT
[G1 Android Development] Shaquiel Harris:
Please tell me you have root.
[G1 Android Development] oshizzle1991:
yeah you need to have root first... lol. here is the thread to hykuros guide to install the danger spl/old radio http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=625886&highlight=death+spl

. once you do that, update to the newest radio. http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=640535&highlight=death+spl

HOWEVER, YOU MUST FLASH THE RADIO BEFORE THE SPL, OR YOU WILL BRICK. JUST REMEMBER, R COMES BEFORE S IN THE ALPHABET. lol.

READ THE ENTIRE FIRST POSTS...VALUABLE INFORMATION THAT COULD SAVE YOURSELF FROM A BRICK.
[G1 Android Development] tetu_024:
Yes its rooted... I need help with the steps because apperently one needs to flash radio danger spl etc....

Any ideasa

Et
[G1 Android Development] oshizzle1991:
check out those guides i posted then
[G1 Android Development] tetu_024:
I'm using System Recovery Build CyanogenMod v1.4 +JF is this good or is there another one?

Thanks

Et
[HD2 General] josemedina1983:
so I was up late and decided to watch transformers after 30 minutes of watching it i notice that the movie start it to lag and the movie was in slow motion for like 10 second then it would go back to normal. I also load it a few movies and it would play some but not all the movies and all the movies are mp4 I installed 2 different video players and it does the same thing. I used to play this movies with no problem on my tp2 so i know its not the movies are you guys having this issues or is just me.
[HD2 General] 84Gti Guy:
I always end all tasks before using the video & music players or the camera. that way there are no issues and the phone resources are there for those applications.
[HD2 General] josemedina1983:
I have all task clean i dont have anything open at first i thought that was the problem so i used clean ram but it still happens
[HD2 General] wingtytn:
no the problem is tmo slapped there name on the device not knowing anything about it they also slapped alot of apps and the movies movie quaity isnt set for the hd2 its set for sumthing else...reason the device is new there is no converter for the hd2 yet
[G1 General] oshizzle1991:
hey so i have been thinking...its mighty hard trying to find a great signature...why not start a thread JUST FOR THEM?!?! bam it hit me. so...FEEL FREE TO POST YOUR SIGS AND OTHER FUNNY STUFF! LETS GET SOME HILARIOUS POSTS HERE PEOPLE!!!
[G1 General] Meltus:
....ok, i'll bite.

Wrong Forum :)
[G1 General] oshizzle1991:
hmm shoulda posted in the dev forum :p (noobs)
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Mikenice182:
I was trying to root my mytouch3g and then i had a problem with the htc magic boot screen (froze and never fully booted), so i decided i didnt want to root my phone anymore. So i proceeded with unrooting , got back to 1.5 (i think) but i can't do anything because my touchscreen isn't working? did i mess up my touchscreen , is there any way to fix this problem? thanks is advance.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Binary100100:
Hey Junior. Do you have the MyTouch with the 3.5mm headphone jack?

If so then that's your problem.

You can only have stock rom.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Mikenice182:
yes i do , so what should i do from here? how can i get the stock rom? (im not asking for links i just want to know if its out there).
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Binary100100:
Figured as much.

You CAN NOT use any rom at this time except for the stock rom for the Fender/LE MyTouch devices (that is with the 3.5mm jack) because of the touchscreen and headset driver issues. HTC has not released the source for these new drivers thus we're stuck with stock.

Do you have Amon_Ra recovery?

Flash the stock rom from here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=623141

or you can be my test rat and try my freshly baked de-odexed rom.

http://nabzilla.googlecode.com/files/MT3G32AFender-1.0-fixed-DEODEXED-signed.zip
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Mikenice182:
I dont think i have "Amon_Ra Recovery" and is that first link the stock rom i should flash? Would i need to root my 3g to get that rom to work? or can i just put it on the root of my microsd and boot vol down and power and update?
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Binary100100:
My palm just met my face.

You must have root to flash anything.

Follow the instructions

p-e-r

t-h-e

l-e-t-t-e-r

and you should be fine.

After you have the recovery then flash the stock rom.

You will have root but so far the stock rom and an incomplete 2.1 eclair port is all you can flash.

(2.1 eclair port is unsupported)
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] KAwAtA:
*shake head shake head smh!* I envy your patience. I would've just told him off.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] crypysmoker:
Nope thats my job.

Your a dope OP. You didnt read anything.. I have no clue how you even rooted to begin with considering you OBVOUSLY did NOT read any of the instructions. Im betting you didnt refkash Stock SPL or radio either did you? U have no idea what recovery you have which means you didnt flash one... which how did you flash a rom to begin with??

You just made my head hurt so much Im pretty sure most of this is mispelled
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] digitaljeff:
****.. seriously... how do people wake up in the morning?? how do they remember to wipe there own ass after taking a ****??

wake the **** up people?! you get what you deserve!! read a little bit... **** me...

idiots.....OH BTW WRONG ****ING SECTION
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Binary100100:
Man I've been wiping noses all day. I'm just as sick as you are.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] kbeezie:
I dunno if anyone said it as simply as this yet :

You cannot un-root a MyTouch 3G Limited Edition or 1.2 (ie: any with the headphone jack on top) because there is no original SPL to be downloaded, t-mobile/htc hasn't released it.

Its almost like we're gona have a ****load of bricked LE/1.2 for lack of reading comprehension.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Binary100100:
I just now found out that there is an XDA developer app on Market. This would explain why all the noobs aren't reading or even searching. They see "MyTouch" and they instantly think that it applies to them.

The developer of the app needs to figure a way to set the program to locate device specific topics on the site because a noob coming right out of a T-Mobile store with a fresh device is going to download the app and end up bricking it before he can even use it.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] C0dy:
I laughed harder than I should have at this post.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] crypysmoker:
lololol. omg i think i love you. everyday i wonder how some people make it through the day withouy forgetting how to breathe.
[HTC Typhoon] pheonix1:
Hi. My SDA not turn on, but is identify under the computer (SmarthPhone USB Sync). This happen when im case upgrade sda rom from spv c550 Is it still possible to revive?

Sry for my ang.
[Touch2 General] ajoshi9194:
Has any1 yet tried to modify the looks or smthng on ur HTC Touch 2?

I am always a freak for tweakng. Whn I had HTC Touch, I used WAD and possible flashed almost 6-7 diffrnt ROM's. Its always fun.

I gues no1 wil flash a diffrnt ROM on WM6.5 as I dnt think the Orignal ROM is up fr download, neways if u ppl get any tweaks or say smhw u get new looks, pls provide snapshots and the method hw u did it.

Thnk U.
[Touch2 General] Frank C:
Hello, you can back-up the original Rom.....see threads in the mega forum.....also it is "full" of tweaks, screens/themes and the like aswell as under general QVGA part of windows mobile develoment and hacking....

Search and you will find a lot.....;)
[Touch2 General] deepakmk:
I've gotten the SPB Mobile Shell.

And downloaded many themes to make it look like Android etc.

I really like the Picture contact and the sliding to different pages where i can place shortcuts in them, just like an android :)
[G1 Apps and Games] Scholesville:
Anyone knows how to install this app onto G1?

everytime I install it says, "mediascape could not be installed on this phone" even through ADB it says "installation failed, no shared library".. appreciate help..
[G1 Apps and Games] Meltus:
I'm fairly sure it's dependant on the framework, rather than just being a stand-alone app. you'll need to wait for a Xperia port.
[G1 Apps and Games] bluedragon1982:
can any one make this as update.zip with all needed libs? i think an x10 port will be laggy, cuz the x10 has much better hardware as the G1.

Sent from my HTC Dream G1 using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk
[G1 Apps and Games] Scholesville:
yeah would be nice if we test out these 2 apps by SE

Sent from my Htcclay's FastTest G1 using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk
[G1 Apps and Games] mssmison:
They are as integrated as the htc apps.

Sorry guys, no easy update.zip coming.
[General Topics] krjcook:
My Samsung BlackJack II aka i617 has kicked the bucket and I'm using my old Moto Razr until I find a replacement. I'm not inquiring you to search google for me, I just would like to know if you know any that are decent. I want another Front-Facing QWERTY device, but I can't think of many that are 'Smartphones' and of that form factor except for these few I have below:

Samsung OmniaPro B7330--------------------------Palm Treo Pro

I'd prefer it to have a Touch-screen (not a requirement though) and must have fairly modern specs. Also are there any Android phones that meet this requirement? I willing to take recommendations for all OS's as long as it's fairly customizable.
[General Topics] poetryrocksalot:
Unfortunately, touchscreen devices with a frontal qwerty keyboard are terrible.

The Samsung Epix is a decent touch screen device. It has a stylus and optical navigation pad that can be used just like a laptop mouse pad (meaning their is a mouse cursor). However, the keyboard is ridiculously terrible and unintuitive.

There is also the Palm Pixi which has a keyboard and touchscreen right in front of you. However, the keyboard is very, very minimalist and small. The keyboard is also very bad.

There really are no good devices with a frontal keyboard and touchscreen interface. At least, not yet.

Luckily, their is a new Sony Ericsson phone coming out real soon. It's called the Sony Ericsson Aspen. It will not by amazing in terms of technical aspects because the processor is presumed to be around 500 megahertz, which is slow for a Windows Mobile device. But from my experiences with qwerty keyboards on phones like these, the Sony Ericsson Aspen will have a pretty good keyboard.

If you really need the quick access and efficiency of a smart phone keyboard, I highly suggest you to purchase a Nokia E-series device or a BlackBerry device. These phones lack the touchscreen, but they excel in this form factor. Windows Mobile and Touch Screen phones do not excel in this form factor.

I suggest the Nokia E72, it is fast and efficient with a great keyboard. However, the BlackBerry 9000 or the BlackBerry 9700 have an even better keyboard.

So here is a quick summary:

According to the form factor that you're looking for, Touch Screen devices have terrible keyboards and are inefficient. However, Nokia E-series devices or BlackBerry Bold Series devices tend to have the better keyboards and are designed to work really well with their operating system.

Just know this if you decide to listen to me: Nokia E-series devices have a good non-touch screen operating system. BlackBerry devices are designed for email and messaging and have the best of the best keyboards with this form factor, but I think that the operating system is a bit boring and lack software development.
[General Topics] krjcook:
Thanks for the reply poetryrocksalot. I was considering the Pixi Plus, but the only models available so far are CDMA and i need a unlocked phone.

When I said fairly modern specs, I meant a phone that didn't have hardware from 2006. I just neeed something that was faster than my previous phone, the Samsung i617. Also what I meant was that I would like something with a touch-screen but it's not biggy if it doesn't.
[General Topics] poetryrocksalot:
The Nokia E72 has a ARM 11 600 MHz processor, 5 Megapixel camera, Modern Look, Decent RAM considering the average RAM size for Symbian devices, LED Flash, 3.5 mm headphone jack, active noise cancellation microphone technology, up-to-date S60 Series 3rd Edition OS (considering the fact that it came out fairly recently), a microsd card slot, accelerometer, optical trackpad, FM Radio receiver, Digital Compass built in, flashlight integration.

BTW, of all of these devices, the Nokia E72 has the best camera (except for the Sony Ericsson Aspen).

The Palm Pixi Plus has a 2 Megapixel Camera, no FM Radio, no flashlight integration (you need someone to develop software and it isn't out yet), no microsd card and only 8 gb of memory for now, no digital compass built in, no active noise cancellation, and the OS is in it's infant stages

The only thing that makes the Pixi modern over the E72 is that the Pixi is a touch screen device. Furthermore, it's 2010 and the Sony Ericsson Aspen hasn't even came out yet, but it is a disappointment to see that it has 3 megapixel camera.

I am really against purchasing a Palm Pixi plus. By purchasing this, I think that you are basically saying: "I don't really care about the front facing keyboard, I just care that it has a capacitive touch screen and a fun interface". If this is your priority than I really hope you purchase a WebOS device with atleast a 3.5 inch diagonally long screen.

By the way, the Nokia E72 has been praised for being one of the fastest Nokia device out there right now. Symbian devices do not need as much CPU as windows mobile devices, so the processors are usually ARM processors around 400 megahertz. Even the Nokia N97 has a 400 megahertz CPU. The E72 is an exception.
[General Topics] adamdon89:
HTC Trophy.... But it aint out yet.