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[HD2 General] cgrec92:
I'm not one of the ones complaining about the HD2 as I even posted above how much I enjoy it.

But I am getting tired of everyone using << it's only for smart people >> as an excuse for a phone that doesn't work out of the box.

At the end of the day, no matter what you do to your phone, the speed and stability come down to the hardware and the OS. The hardware of the device is brilliant but WM simply can not take advantage of it.

I'm sure you're extremely clever and that you can tweak the OS inside out. However my argument is that you SHOULDN'T have to tweak and modify everything simply to get a phone to work.

Let's face it, the joys of the HD2 are ROM flashing, the big screen, and that's about it.

Am I the only once that sees something wrong with an iPhone 3GS being able to work flawlessly all the time, no bugs, no errors, no lockups, very fast response with a 600MHz processor while my HD2 with 1GHz can't load 50 texts in less than 10 seconds? The hardware is definitely not to blame, so Windows Mobile fans, what is?
[HD2 General] Raadius:
I agree with everything OP said, but thank goodness I have my iPhone still, jailbroke on Tmobile so whenever the HD2 fustrates me I take out my sim and drop it in my iPhone. My main problems are lag, slowdown, lock ups, resets etc. This is a brillant phone but I can't help to think HTC rushed this and Microsoft isn't gonna do anything else with 6.5 because 7 is around the corner :/

A jailbroken iPhone > a near limitless WM phone

People act like us iPhone users don't know how to use, hack a phone, lol, GTFOOH.
[HD2 General] jonboyuk:
As someone said before, iPhone is for people who like simplicity and WM for people who like functionality. For me, if I wanted simplicity I would buy a Nokia 3310 not a phone that sells itself on apps (or lining S.Jobs pockets).
[HD2 General] football_fan:
i've read bout all the problems the hd2 had when many ppl first bought it right after release. but honestly right now, my hd2 barely has any problems. it doesnt hang on me n i can multi task n everythin pretty smoothly, im using Dutty's ROM and it works great. nice n fast, and still stable.
[HD2 General] Som30ne:
You are completely right.

And for the proof is - I use an HD2 with official ROM, with a few apps to make the interface have some more of the calendar on the home page.

I just used the settings interface to personalize it's behavior to my liking.

(The only thing that might be considered as "Tweak" thet I did - was some registry settings for power save)

So - the bottom line is -

The HD2 works just fine OutOfTheBox.
[HD2 General] Raadius:
Not true.

Are you calling us liars? Like we like to complain about a phone we payed over $400 for? Just because you haven't experienced problems doesn't mean the phone ****s diamonds. Obviously you are the minority because day after day there are new threads with numerous complaints about the phones issues.

So do us a favor, stay out of these threads or better yet, trade me phones, I would love to have your problem free, OutOfTheBox working HD2.
[HD2 General] Som30ne:
As to what I can see - you are the one calling names here.

I would love to have a 1GB ROM device with a lot more RAM.

If you could make it work on the European network,

Im all for trading devices.
[HD2 General] Alpha0ero:
Mine works fine "OutOfTheBox"

I came from an iPhone 3Gs and have been pleasantly surprised....Is the hardware better than the iPhone 3Gs, yes. Is the OS tied as tightly to the hardware, no. Could it be, I guess we will see with Windows Phone 7 and Microsoft's requirement and enforcement of a standard reference platform on the manufacturer's. In the interim, I have C00kie's and BsB installed with no further mods. Is it perfect? For me, it's good. I may flash to another ROM for kicks sometime in the future but why fix what isn't broken? I can do every thing on this TMO HTC HD2 that I could do on my iPhone 3Gs and to top it of TMO's coverage, in my area is pretty good.

All in all, I'm pretty happy with the ability to mod when I want. Others may want their phone to work like a 'fridge...and there's a phone for that.
[HD2 General] cgrec92:
I have had my HD2 since it first came out in November, it can take time to actually put how bad the phone is into perspective.

There is no denying that Windows Mobile 6.5 is riddled with bugs, and from what i've heard (officially) support for 6.5 has gone down the drain because of WP7 development. This OS will not be available officially for the HD2 because the device does not meet the standards of the OS (three physical buttons).

Sure WP7 could get ported to the HD2 which people can hack and mess about with, and if this is in fact the case, I am left here repeating: IT DOES NOT WORK OUT OF THE BOX!!
[HD2 General] wmfreak:
iphone user please go back to your toy and stop complaining

go back to your toy and let the grown ups deal with a serious gadget like HD2.

I've had 33 different phones ranging from the basic ones to WM, Linux and iphone. The Iphone lasted a day with me. It is so limited that I had to scrap it. the HD2 I can flash everyday, mod it every day, tweak it, personalize it, supercharge it and so on. It never gets boring. Not to mention the hardware!!!

the crappy Iphone doesn't stand a chance.

so finally Iphone user stop winning and start your own forum!

wmfreak
[HD2 General] cgrec92:
I'd like to point out that I have never owned an iPhone

I am SO sick of some people saying that WM is only for smart people!

You've had 33 different phones? were they all so bad?

I'm glad you have so much fun spending all day changing ROMs and tweaking your phone, if it's so amazing then why are you tweaking it?

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, tell us these super tweaks you have applied which make your phone so amazing.

If not, then shut up, and move on, because this forum is meant to be a sharing community where people help each other.

So I recommend YOU leave this forum all together and go find one where everyone brags about how smart they are because that's all you're doing here.
[HD2 General] Alpha0ero:
It worked fine without the tweaks...

Have I discovered every nuance, issue and idiosyncrasy about the HD2/Windows Mobile 6.5 combination? No. Maybe I am just not as demanding. I applied C00kies and BsB to practice tweaking. It took me a week to realize I like to tweak, so I applied them. It was not a necessity. The phone worked Out of the box for me. This is no different than jailbreaking on an iPhone or tweaking an Android OS device.

If it doesn't work for you then so be it, move on to another phone that is less challenging for you. Say what you will but the device worked fine for MY needs out of box, period.
[HD2 General] jonboyuk:
Actually, that's a little harsh. I don't think he's calling you a liar, more he's saying that not everyone has the bad experience that you might have.

Try adding an element of perspective to your argument.

The device has sold millions and many many people seek forums just to help them when something goes wrong. So you only see a small slice of an overall pie. There are literally millions who don't need this forum and aren't accounted for because they are using the phone without issue.
[HD2 General] petvas:
I love my HD2 and most of the things worked out of the box for me too. There were a couple of things I had to change in order to make the whole experience much better:

* I installed Pocket Player because it is so much better than WMP or the HTC player. It also plays all kinds of files, something that WMP doesn't.

* I applied most of the reg tweaks I found in this forum for Opera.

* Installed Resco Explorer and love its touch friendly interface plus the reg editor.

* Applied a registry setting to make RSS Hub more touch friendly. I wonder why this wasn't done by default from HTC...This is sth that would improve someone's user experience a lot when using the app...

* Disabled vibration for Sense UI apps and keyboard.

* Installed Pocket Informant - the best PIM out there

* Had to change the folders visible in HTC Album. This is certainly a bad Out of the box experience and HTC should change the default settings. I use HTC album now and it doesn't bother me anymore, but I can see people not understanding it...Having said that I use Resco Picture Manager now...Much better.

So, most of the things worked great without much tweaking, apart from the media experience. Playing music with the default player is nowhere so good as it is on other platforms...Pocket Player makes the experience much better.

Overall I am extremely happy and I wish HTC could work on some things to make the HD2 even a better Out of the box experience. (for example playing video files. There is no GUI for the HTC Video Player! Going to File explorer and finding files to start cannot be compared with the iTunes client on the iPhone - it doesn't bother me but I can see many people not liking it).
[HD2 General] rickyoon.vegas:
We really can't sugar-coat HD2 just because most of us have it.

HD2 is a frustrating device to get used to.

after 3 Weeks of Tweaking and Flashing many ROMs, I now have it exactly how I want it.

HD2 is NOT a device an average people would like.
[HD2 General] cgrec92:
Those are big words for your second post Alpha0ero

You managed to install Cookie's Home Tab after a week and you're implying I know nothing?

I don't think it's demanding that if I put my phone to sleep the only way to wake it up is to take off the back cover and take the battery in and out.

I don't think it's demanding that with my UNLIMITED DATA PLAN that my connection continuously randomly drops out forcing a soft reset when my connection is brilliant on the G1.

I definitely don't think it's demanding for a phone to be able to load 100 text messages in under 30 seconds do you?

I mean COME ON! there are even threads reporting that their phone is calling international numbers while they're sleeping!

Just like Windows on a computer, after time, the performance slows down and becomes sluggish, just like WM.

So as I said, you will probably find problems with the device over time, don't mock what you don't understand.
[HD2 General] unleashed12:
Hmm ive owned every generation of the iphone and just came from a 3gs..to be honest i love my hd2.. i have had only 1 problem and that is the problem with HTC messaging lagging..otherwise i love sense and i love the roms i love the cabs..everything! After using other devices like the omnia II i would say this phone is the closest WM ever got to a "perfect" and flawless phone..
[HD2 General] Alpha0ero:
You're kidding right?

"those are big words" You are kidding right?

How many times do you have to be told the same thing by everyone here? The phone is not perfect. No phone is. That fact has been acknowledged countless times here. For some it isn't an issue for some it is. I am not a tweaker, but I tried something outside of my comfort zone and it worked without me bricking my device. I was pleased. So now I will do more. I am new here, offered my opinion based on MY experience and will continue to do so. You are entitled to your opinion as am I and if you don't like it...You figure it out.
[HD2 General] horrorview:
Call me a sadist, but I actually LIKE the fact that I have to mess around with the HD2 to get it to perform, look, and function the way I want it to. I'm a tinkerer! I tinker with every electronic gizmo I buy. I build my own PCs, I physically modify consoles, and I tweak any and every electronic device that can be tweaked! It worked out of the box for me, sure. But I immediately noticed slowdown with things like SMS and such, so I installed CleanRam, BsB, did some registry tweaks and, voila, the thing works like a champ...most of the time. :D

The thing is, if this phone was perfect and I didn't/couldn't change a thing about it, it'd bore the crap out of me. I had a G1 for a year and I modded the hell out of that beast. Early on, I had all sorts of issues with that phone, too. SMS slowdown (same as on the HD2, actually!), syncing issues with my non-Google e-mail accounts, the inability to send an e-mail without leaving 400-plus drafts in my inbox. Eventually, though, I got it to the point where it worked EXACTLY how I wanted it to work.

Then I got bored and got an HD2. :p
[HD2 General] cgrec92:
There's a difference between 'not perfect' and unusable.

When did I say I don't like your opinion? I don't appreciate that when i make a post reporting a few bugs I have come across you say the phone is too challenging and that I should move on even though you have had the phone for a week and probably haven't got past Sense yet. What did I say that you didn't?

All I am saying, is that it's all fun when you tweak your device and you make your own nice colour schemes and icons and you make opera 5% faster. But I have had the phone since November, and sometimes when you need to do something important you just need the phone to work. That's all I'm saying.

I'll give you a bad analogy.

Tweaking WindowsMobile is like modifying a bad car, you can add spoilers, rims, new wheels, tainted glass, but it'll get you nowhere if the engine isn't up to scratch.
[HD2 General] Sethos II:
Here is my opinion. I think WM6.5 can keep up, if you add the good hardware that the HD2 has. Still, it's nowhere near as stable as others.
[HD2 General] Beefheart:
Aren't opinions great? I say that because I don't agree at all.
[HD2 General] cgrec92:
Nice table Sethos II

Especially comforting considering I am getting the Desire next week.
[HD2 General] Chastiser:
my phone worked perfectly out of the box too. so its not a unique thing at all. i sometimes wonder if all the fiddling makes things worse. all i have done is loaded the rom upgrade and installed some bits i need such as memory map, freda books etc.

as far as i am concerned tis the best phone i have had so far, my last was an omnia i900 and i thought that pretty good too.

now if only i could watch bbc iplayer lol. yes i know about myplayer etc but want opera to work properly.

Mike
[HD2 General] CHIxCITY:
Is there any videos that can show me how to install a rom fully without any mess ups?
[HD2 General] rickyoon.vegas:
Flashing a ROM is very easy.

I don't see how or why anyone would need a tutorial video.

Before downloading ROM, make sure required components are there.

Check Radio version, and once it's downloaded, connect your phone to your comp via antivesync,

then run the Custom RUU program, and press next 3 times, and everything is done automatically.
[HD2 General] unleashed12:
Dont forget to check if your phone has HSPL otherwise yeah its very easy all you do is download an exe and run it..wait..phone boots..done..
[HD2 General] Gustopher:
In response to a welter of pointless, valueless threads at the beginning of the year from what looked suspiciously like Apple Fanbois, I set a poll up to allow anyone who wanted to have a say on the HD2 to say their piece.

Checking it today - the link is below - there were 163 responses from HD2 owners of which 8 were negative and another 14 ambivalent. The remainder - 141 by my calculation - were either happy or very happy.

http://xdaforums.com/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=2039

Whilst this is in no way a definitive survey of all HD2 owners, it is sufficient to give the lie to some of the sweeping generalisations about how bad the phone is and suggests that it does actually work quite well out of the box for most users. It perhaps doesn't work quite like the iPhone 'out of the box' and thank heavens for that - it helps me remember that I am an individual not a 'consumer'.

Those who suggest that the HD2 doesn't work out of the box are more than entitled to their viewpoint but that does not make it fact any more than the poll results represent any kind of 'fact' - although i would suggest there is somewhat more science to a poll of 162 people than there is to what may be the unfortunate experiences of a small and arguably isolated group of people.

In any event, this thread can only degenerate (further) into another pointless slanging match about how 'WM Ate my Goldfish' or the 'iPhone Heals Sick Kittens' or 'Android Makes Me Last Twice As Long In Bed'. Now I like ill-informed prejudice and petulant name-calling as much as the next man and nothing makes me happier than to enjoy a bit of light hearted banter about whether my opinions are your facts and vice versa, but when it's the 478th thread on the same subject this year it gets a little tedious and I'm worried it will distract us all from getting off out to queue for our iFads. I definitely having one of those - I've never seen a rectangular Frisbee before...

Maybe a Mod could put this thread ever so gently out of our collective misery?
[HD2 General] Spl4tt:
+1

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[HD2 General] chris_ah1:
I dunno - my HD2 worked well enough and still does even tinkering with all the things.

It never needed to be tinkered from 1.48WWE, but I did it just to make it even better.

There's lots I tinkered on my iphone3GS (jailbroken)...but ultimately I can use the HD2 as an ereader and watch videos, read case reports, check and write mail (swype or normal keyboard), sync with outlook and Myphone, skype via 3G, wifi is stable, bluetooth is now stable, MSVC 1.6.23554 works fine, proximity sensor works and everything really does JUST work.

Perhaps I can do all that on an iphone....but I would get more eyestrain on a smaller lower res screen...thing is I tinker and improve because I can, not because I need to or because something doesnt work...that's part of the fun of being a geek.

tbh I've not come across the woes of WM6.5...then again I've only had the device for a couple of months.

I must admit there is more bling with the iphone in terms of rotation and animations....but then again I'm the type that made my Win7 desktop look like win2000, and turned off the clock flip and weather animation.

Sure i installed s2u2 and cookie's home tab mod onto my HD2, but i wouldve looked for the same iphone equivalent too.
[HD2 General] eenbox:
Could nor agree more!!!
[HD2 General] Ryukeima:
Haha, I laughed pretty hard at the first sentence. WM will eat your goldfish. But I never liked them anyways, so I am alright with that. And since this thread is pointless, kind of like opinions, here's mine: I'll take capitalism (Microsoft) over naziism (Apple) anyday.
[HD2 General] volDeus:
Hilarious ... I bet the OP likes velcro shoes, digital watches, "The Clapper", draw-string pants, and tv-dinners... And he never changes his own oil..

Why post worthless spam like this? If you can't handle the adventure that is Windows Mobile ... go back to your toy phone, and keep it to yourself. MANY of us love the versatility AND the challange, but you don't see us drooling on our keyboards while banging out "IPhone sux0rz" with our thumbs. Everyone is entitled to thier opinion, but xda-dev is not the place for childish rants. Try facebook...

On a more civilized note, not that the OP deserves it; the IPhone is a capable and stable device, but hordes of WM and Android lovers, find it wholly unsatisfying. If your personal experience with a WM device has disappointed you and made you love your IPhone that much more, you should be pleased to have found yourself seated deeper in your convictions. But please, take off the troll mask, it's very unattractive.
[HD2 General] fastwanabe:
thats fine..... I guess some poeple like to buy a brand new Mercedes and the power windows dont work right, it pulls to the right and stalls at every 3rd traffic light...... it just needs a little tweaking I guess. This mentality is just plain stupid. Thats probably why Microsoft doesnt fix their **** right cause mongers like you except things the way they are.

I understand I may be whining a bit but I had this phone on a pedestal till I bought it.
[HD2 General] eenbox:
I think it may be for the best that you return to your iPhone...

Lots of people forgets the following:

iPhone - is for consuming as everything else that comes from Apple - therefore, United States is the best market for it!

Android OS phones - is also for consuming but liiiitle bit more customizable in the matter of getting more out of your phone.

Windows Mobile is - NOT FOR REGULAR CONSUMER!!! It is for tech-knowledgeable person that likes to make miracles happen with it. Is 6.5 OS perfect - no it's not. Nothing is perfect in today's world and Apple even proves that with launching iPhone without some very important features on their products! Therefore, whoever likes consuming WinMo is not for him/her.

I have been using everything but iPhone. I was playing with it several times and find it DULL! It has no customizations but apps - if you want something done, here is the app... what if there is no app??? etc...

Long story short - that's why is the best that you go back to iPhonee :) as it seems that makes you lot more happier :)
[HD2 General] volDeus:
Not really a valid response to anything I posted, but ok...

People who love working on (or tweaking) their cars don't buy Mercedes, they build racers that DO require alot of maintenance, fine-tuning, and upgrades.

If the HD2 is a Mercedes, what is the iPhone? I was under the impression that they cost about the same.

People who accept things the way they are ... buy iPhones. The versatility of a WM device sometimes comes at the cost of a bit of stability and may require more effort.

Maybe I'm not understanding your metaphor ... But I'm not seeing your point either. More spam?
[HD2 General] SPENONE:
I had all the same issues as the OP and I returned my HD2 within my warranty period. I was trying to like/love the phone...but at every corner the thing just let me down. My friends modified G1 was even smoking my HD2.
[HD2 General] Raadius:
The Desire looks AWESOME. I want Android on my HD2 :D
[HD2 General] Raadius:
Really, you didn't get his metaphor? I'm no rocket scientist but I understood it completely.

While you can tweak and hack your HD2 to your liking, you can too with the iPhone, iPhone is MORE versatile when modding than a WinMo phone, period. My iPhone is heavily modified BUT out the box for what feature it has, it's pretty much flawless and everything works AS ADVERTISE out the box.

Lets do a couple of issue for issue, compare my HD2 to my iPhone:

HD2: Lag and slow down in SMS app

iPhone: No lag or slow down in SMS app

HD2: Lag and slow down throughout the UI / Menus

iPhone: No lag or slow down throughout the UI / Menus

HD2: Phone constantly locks up

iPhone: Never locks up

HD2: Freezes in sleep mode, buttons light up, screen is black

iPhone: Never freezes, never had any sleep mode issues

HD2: I've had the phone for 19 days. I have turn off the phone 17 times, soft reset once.

iPhone: In the first 3 weeks, no shut offs or soft resets.

Those are only a few issues I've had, I don't have time to list them all. To be honest, the only issue I had with my out the box iPhone was the wifi stopped working but that was after 2 years. So while I can hack/tweak my HD2 to be better, the issue is, out the box, and with all the hype people have put on this phone, it's really been bitter sweat to say the least.
[HD2 General] ricko2169:
My HD2 worked perfectly out of the box, and I prefer it to my 3GS iPhone and the 3G iPhone I had before it.

My iPhone would randomly lose signal in perfect signal areas requiring a reboot, and so does my wifes 3GS and our sons 3G.

Neither phone is flawless, but with my HD2 I can pick what needs upgrading, removing or tweaking. I wont miss my iPhone, even when OS 4.0 finally delivers things WinMo has had for years.
[HD2 General] volDeus:
Why quote me if you barely plan to respond to anything I said? In your first sentance you say you understand his metaphor, but you don't go on to give your understanding of it. Beyond that sentance, I can't figure out why you directed your message to me at all.

And iPhone is more versatile than WM??? I'm sorry, thats just ridiculous.

In any event, this thread is a waste of time, I don't care to debate any of your points or the OP's. I already stated my opinion, here I'll repeat it.

To each his own, go cry somewhere else.