yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Windows Mobile] lion75y:
Interesting threath, I have the Rhodium with Sprint and as far as this threath and other threats I have found out that it has to do something with WM6.5 because with WM6.1 there was no issues. Now like someone else here said that by changing the "automatically adjust backlight" and others say that manilla is causing issues with this too, its kinda confusing.

Im not sure if this has to do anything with it or not but with my rhodium I have seen that also the text messages amount causes the phone to be slow and most of the time it "freezes" for a minute and usually it goes to stand by and I have a SOD with 6.5, which with 6.1 nothing like this has happened. I have seen it twice where nothing really comes up but sometimes if I wait like 5 minutes or so and try to wake it up, it wakes up fine and everything goes back to normal.

Im using SYS 23569.
[Windows Mobile] toadlife:
Well, I did a check on dump folder and many (80 in one case) of modules are using the same e32_vbase.

I really don't think this has anything to do with the SOD. Reading more threads elsewhere I'm seeing many of reports of people getting SOD with stock ROMs. The common thread between all SOD reports is Windows Mobile 6.5.
[Windows Mobile] Farmer Ted:
The problem with figuring out SOD is that not everyone uses the same definition or knows what it is. The gomers on crap stock roms are probably running 30 processes and just having their device freeze. That's not SOD, that's just being a gomer. Everyone knows that winmo freezes from time-to-time (esp. if you're a gomer). SOD means that when you turn off your device (put it to sleep), you can't turn it back on w/o a reset.
[Windows Mobile] malatest:
NeverEndingTale

In my case I have SOD only when I put out charging and backlight is off. I don´t have SOD when backlight is auto off and I press power button. I use osKitchen, but is the same with EVK and Bepe kitchen. The same with 23568.dio. I don´t know what to do. Is the worst. Thanks
[Windows Mobile] toadlife:
I've been a long time user of smartlock, and after struggling with SOD issues for quite awhile now and wondering if smartlock might be the problem for me too. I had SOD twice today - with smartlock activated. I uninstalled smartlock a few hours ago.
[Windows Mobile] lion75y:
Ok Question for everyone that has an "SOD" and the ones who really know what it is, like I said before, if you wait a couple of minutes maximum 10 are you guys able to make your phone come up or not???

I know some people might not be "patience" and once they see their phone doesnt turn on you guys just restart it by taking the battery out.

The solution that was presented in a couple of posts before that the solution was to disable the "automatically adjust backlight" it doesnt work for me. Now that im getting into the havit to erase my text looks like my phone doesnt pressent SOD as much as before or almost never.
[Windows Mobile] toadlife:
No, with the SOD the phone never wakes up, no matter how long you wait. I thought it might be related to programs like smartlock, but after removing smartlock yesterday I got another SOD.

Over at PPCGeeks forum someone said that he was sure the problem was a bug in certain builds of Windows Mobile. I switched my ROM today so that it was based on a different official ROM. I've had no SOD yet, but it hasn't been long enough to know if it solved my issue.
[Windows Mobile] lion75y:
Yes thats what I have read before from ppcgeeks too.. What rom are you using?? or I mean the system.

It will be nice to know if there is anyone out there that is not having SODs can provide the system that they are using and also if the phone type is a CDMA or a GSM, I think it will also help if that person can tell if it was custom made by that person or by otherone (the rom).:D Hope we can find the answer, if not we'll see if we can use WM7 (without bugs):p
[Windows Mobile] Farmer Ted:
I've never experienced it, and I've used a lot of 235xx and 218xx builds that give others issues. I use EVK, and have never dumped a flash.dio-I've used Alexx's and Da_G's rollups exclusively. I don't think you'll ever find a single cause. There are just far too many variables (many unknown) to track down what is going on. I doubt it's a single cause, but a binary or higher combination of things. And since there's no single clear definition of SOD, I think you'll just be running around in circles to find the answer.
[Windows Mobile] AndrewSh:
This topic is useless :)

Everyone here has his own SOD or better to say - skeleton in the closet.....
[Windows Mobile] toadlife:
I'm using my own ROM on T-Mobile TP2, Made with OSKitchen. The OS builds I've been using at 21881 (Tmobile Official ROM) and 21887 (HTC Europe 2.07 ROM).

I think the problem may actually be a hardware problem. That is very distressing as my phone is only a year old.
[Windows Mobile] Menjic:
I think that every SOD is caused by corrupted memory, if you pay attention on some posts, and solutions, and checksums and flashing again and again can solve it for few minutes.

But what is causing corruption of memory ... ?

If it is bad ROM, why does not that same bad ROM dont cause SOD on another same device ?
[Windows Mobile] indagroove:
I recently noticed that I got SOD when Opera was pointed to a certain webpage, and then device turned off. I disabled the java on that page and sod was gone. The point is, that there are different sources of SOD, and no one single answer.
[Windows Mobile] toadlife:
I flashed the official HTC 2.07 ROM and got a SOD, so it's not an "improper dump" as suggested earlier in the thread.

More and more, I'm leaning towards it being a HARDWARE problem. I'm back to the official T-Mobile ROM and official SPL. If it happens again I'm going to see if I can get the phone replaced under warranty.
[Windows Mobile] Laurentius26:
It's not hardware as well as I never experienced it anymore after I use a .dio or a .nbh dumped myself hahaha LoL :D

I only experienced it in passed using a predumped source.
[Windows Mobile] voinea:
i'm so tired of this piece of ****...

i just wanna know if it is hardware so i can get it over with it...

i try lots of roms, even get back to original rom and radio, task 29, this Mikenificent BlackStone TestDrivers.cab, that mnet_blackstone_stock_3d_driver.cab...nothing...

SOD did not happened when connected to PC via USB...

today i experienced something else and this is absolutely related...

screen freezes exactly after 30 seconds when backlight turns off...

i think is battery related or connections with battery...

My warranty is expired, but i think next stop is service
[Windows Mobile] voinea:
update: connected to pc via usb, but disable charging when connected, screen didn't freeze out

disconnected from pc, freezes.

connected again to pc with screen freezes remain the same, active sync didn't detect it.

next: reset
[Windows Mobile] toadlife:
How do you explain it happening with stock ROMs then?
[Windows Mobile] dotcompt:
Thats a one million dollar question.
[Windows Mobile] toadlife:
Changed out my kitchen

I've changed my kitchen out from OSKitchen to a old-style buildos kitchen that uses extreloc to see if it makes a difference.

The phone did go overnight without a SOD, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
[Windows Mobile] rgb-rgb:
Well, for me it was caused by the OEM folder in the 2.07 stock ROM

Switched my OEM folder from the 2.07 stock ROM to the original OEM folder from my Tilt 2 stock ROM and I have not had SOD since. It's been a couple of months since my last SOD.
[Windows Mobile] toadlife:
Thanks. I will try that if I continue to get SODs.

:)
[Windows Mobile] ai6908:
LOL...yup dont have an answer for that....:)
[Windows Mobile] Laurentius26:
I never faced it with stock roms.

Only with predumped sources.

Btw I'm trying all kinds of oems as well and it's giving me no SOD.

Neither my beta team (10 people) never reported SOD to me.

Like I promised earlier, if it happens once I will be honest and let you know.
[Windows Mobile] toadlife:
The problem seems to be specifically with the TP2. Looking at your thread history it looks like you don't work with one.

That would explain why you don't get them. :)

My wife has the HD2, and runs a cooked ROM and she doesn't get the SOD
[Windows Mobile] Laurentius26:
Cool one step closer. :)

Btw did you see one user reporting SOD in my rom threads?

You can check all history but you won't find one.

But if I use dumped sources it happens, I've experienced that myself 3 times only with a predumped source.
[Windows Mobile] toadlife:
I'm curious. What tools do you use to dump your sources?
[Windows Mobile] Laurentius26:
Ondraster's extRebuild.exe :)

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=629190
[Windows Mobile] toadlife:
But to actually dump - xidump? the old imgfs* tools?
[Windows Mobile] Laurentius26:
Nope just that tool, it dumps xip as well.

Sorry Xidump.exe as well.

The batch:

Tools\xidump.exe -b RUU_signed.nbh

Tools\extrebuild.exe IMGFS\OEM

dir IMGFS\EXT /b /-p /b /o:gn >EXT_Packages.txt

All Ondraster credits no credits to me. :)

Btw if you download the zip in Ondraster's thread you get the exact same files I'm using.
[Windows Mobile] toadlife:
Thanks. Was wondering if some of the older, more experienced cooks such as yourself had some super secret methods of dumping.

I'm currently using old-school imgfs* tools > bepes package tool > and old-style buildos based kitchen.

Yeah, I know - I'm a masochist. :P
[Windows Mobile] Laurentius26:
Well to cook I use Bepe's kitchen as well.
[Windows Mobile] stevefxp:
Whitestone - SOD

Just wanted to add that my Whitestone is experiencing the SOD issue. I actually have had both flavors of SOD, ie backlight on and off. I usually have to soft reset to get things back to normal.

I am running 23569 with Whitestone 21874 XIP.

Steve
[Windows Mobile] voinea:
i hope this will help someone find a solution...

now i looked back and i am pretty sure that sod begin after installing SPB Mobile Shell...

something happened after that and since then can't fix it through any method presented on this forum...

i forgot to mention, i have a HTC Touch HD
[Windows Mobile] lauchi:
hey guys,

i had an sod EVERYTIME i send the device to suspend and waited more than one minute to wake it up. since i am cooking in

LEO_S_LockScreenAppLauncher_Default_Skin

LockScreenAppLauncher_1_0_20142921_00

LockDevice 1.6 (lock when screen off)

i never ever had a sod anymore (more than a week or so)

didnt try it without the LockScreenAppLauncher-packages, but maybe LockDevice 1.6 is helping??:confused:

lauchi
[Windows Mobile] stevefxp:
You really shouldnt have both. Remove LockScreenAppLauncher if you are using LockDevice.
[Windows Mobile] voinea:
since you're the first that i know to solve this problem, could you provide more details please?

thanks
[Windows Mobile] lauchi:
about 3 months ago, i started cooking my own roms for HD2. i never experienced a SOD before i was using build 23569 (source here). after updating my kitchen from build 23568 to 23569, i had the SOD-problem:

EVERYTIME i send the device to sleep and waited more than a minute to wake it up, i had an SOD.

strange thing was, that this only happend, when i locked my device before sending it to sleep. without locking my device, there was a 50% chanche, that there was no SOD.

so i decided to cook in the HTC lockscreen packages, just to see, what will happen. with the htc-lockscreen cooked there was a 50% chanche that no SOD will happen, when device was locked...strange:confused:

so i tried to find a solution to lock the device automaticaly everytime i send it to sleep, and found LockDevice.

since i am cooking in the htc-lockscreen and LockDevice, i never ever had a SOD again.

sorry, my english isn't that good, but i hope you understand everything.

maybe this will help you solve your SOD-problem

lauchi
[Windows Mobile] voinea:
lauchi, thanks for the info...i'm not a cooker, but i' gonna look into it...

by the way, to all cookers out there:

i'm offering my phone for experimenting since i can't do anything else with him...

just present a solution and i'll try it...

if it burns up, hope i'll make a video and post it for fun....
[Windows Mobile] toadlife:
Update - good news

As rgb-rgb sugested, I switched my ROM over from the HTC 2.07 OEM folders to the At&T tilt2 OEM folders. Since doing so, the SODs have only happened in one specific (and repeatable) scenario.

1) Extend the keyboard

2) Plug the phone in to charge

3) wait until the charging light goes green

4) Pull the plug out

5) Slide the keyboard back in (without turning the screen on first)

6) SOD!

If I turn the screen on before unplugging the charger and sliding the keyboard back in the SOD doesn't happen.

I can deal with this as I know how to prevent it.

I'm going to try a different power package (the one from the tilt ROM) and see if that fixes the SOD scenario I described above.
[Windows Mobile] toadlife:
Found out the cause of this. It was the "nuedynamicclock" app!

I removed nuedynamicclock from my ROM and I haven't had a SOD in weeks!

:)
[Windows Mobile] cibaiciao:
Hi guys,

I wanna share my experience how I can avoid SoD. I'm not sure what I did would help you avoid SoD, please don't blame me if it doesn't work for you.

Basically, we have to do HardSPL in order for us to flash the custom ROM. But when we do HardSPL, there are always two cases for us to choose. One is x.xxx.HSPL or x.xxx.0000

In order to flash custom ROM, I have to choose option x.xx.HSPL to flash the custom ROM ( the reason is because I want to flash custom ROM to avoid robot noise( I used Riki custom ROM))

Then I just did the same, copied Android to SD card and run.

(I used zimage on 07/23/2010)

But the thing is when I was in HSPL mode, the system is not stable. I always have trouble with either wifi, sound, green green, and SoD. Can you guys imagine, each time when I restart Android, I always got problems on those things. Then I remembered an article said, HSPL is not stable, switch to 0000.

Then I just flash HSPL to x.xx.0000, well, since then, I no longer have trouble with SoD.

(I used Froyo built on 07/26/2010)

Try to flash to stock ROM 0000 and see.

It did work for me, hope it would work for you.
[Windows Mobile] fi3ry_icy:
am i correct to say that u mean to say that to minimize SODs, we should run winmo using stock roms?
[Windows Mobile] toadlife:
In the case of the Touch Pro 2, the SOD problems were definitely being caused by the drivers in the HTC 2.07 ROM. Both the official HTC 2.07 ROM and custom ROMs based on it exhibited the SOD. Earlier in the thread someone told me this, and sure enough, as soon as I replaced the HTC 2.07 drivers in my ROM with drivers from a different Touch Pro 2 ROM, the SOD stopped. I haven't had a since SOD in a month.

In the case of the HD2, my wife has never had a SOD with hers (her ROM is based on the T-Mobile US ROM) so if the HD2 is getting it I have no idea what the issue might be.
[Windows Mobile] phramick:
No more SOD

Dear HTC fans,

My Desire Z contracted SOD (sleep of death) disease since the last software update to Android 2.2.1

After many attempts to fix the problem with no avail, I came across a blog written by Whom I can no longer recall, however the solution was quite simple... disable all HTC Sense Sync except the tick box that says "Update when Opened" and change update schedule to "As items change (Push)"

No more sleep of death.

Hope this helps!

pm.
[Windows Mobile] Sendrey:
I'll tell you about my investigation SOD problems. I have the HTC HD2 with SD Android 2.3.7. Periodically, I have SOD. Sometimes this happens several times a day, sometimes a good week without a single SOD.

After extensive searching, I identified three main possible causes: proximity sensor, radio firmware, SD card.

Two weeks ago I had SOD began to happen very often, I have flashed radio from 2.11.50.20 to 2.15.50.14 and formatted SD card. Nearly two weeks after this was not a single SOD. Yesterday, however, SOD started again. No new software during this time are installing and system settings is not changed.

I guess is the SD card version. Ordered a new A-data 16Gb class6 (now Transcend 8Gb class6), a couple of weeks after the replacement card will write a report.
[Windows Mobile] Farmer Ted:
If your sd card is corrupted, you can definitely have device issues. Scan it, and see if there are errors on it. I've had corrupted usb-drives crash a PC before.
[Windows Mobile] Sendrey:
I scan my old 8Gb sd card using windows scan disk (via cardreader), and SKTools in WM6.5 - no errors.

This card is used 1.5 years, half of them in the wm and ~ year in Android (SD Build). SD Android builds make heavy load to SD, many write cycles. I think, after one year use, some sectors may have more than 100k write cycles and begin to wear. (100k proof: can't post url, check "Flash memory" article in Wiki)

PS: One day in new 16Gb SD, no one SOD, but too early for say anything.

PPS: Sory for my english. :)
[Windows Mobile] Sendrey:
My final report: I resolve SOD problem for me completely. After replace old Transcend 8Gb class 6 card to A-data 16Gb class 6 more month ago and no one SOD from this time.

I checking old SD card for errors (by SKTools in phone and scandisk via cardreader) and no errors founded. Now i'm use old SD card with SD-USB adapter and have no problem. N oidea, what happenet with old card, but fact: i have SOD with old card and no one SOD with new.

Old and new card 6 class, but new card much faster, Android SD build on my HD2 faster booting, wake up, responsing. I think, may be SOD cause in speed or latency time.

My advice to all, who are encounters SOD problem: try another SD card, faster is preffered.
[Windows Mobile] Menjic:
You should always remove all cards and removable stuff to debug anything.

SOD can be in your caused by bad SD but mostly it is not.

From my experience SOD is usually bad BGA balls under CPU or bad non removable memory. Each of those 2 things are not repairable for us regular users and question is can anyone repair it without new main board and for price lower than buying new device.
[Windows Mobile] nauman_waheed:
I hope it can fix to do this.....

Dear all my friends who facing the SOD (Sleep of Death) issue with their Android devices... i found that it is totally related to Wifi Sleep policy related... i just changed the setting last night n now after 8 hours its running fine... no SOD found till yet... i will also be inform u later if i will get my device out of SOD issue...

all of u just have to do one thing.

Go to settings>wifi settings>

from the options go to advanced settings

there is one option: Keep wi-fi on during sleep (go to this option)

there is 3 options: 1. Always, 2. Only when plugged in, 3. Never (increases data usage)

u just have to change ur option from 1 to 2 or 3, then i hope u will find that u will get ur device out of SOD issue...

Regards,

Nauman

(sorry for the poor english)

Note: if it works please hit the Thanks Button... please
[HD2 General] theleftside:
Hello everyone...

Brand spanking new on here.

Been a keen watcher for a while...but i'm just not clever enough to join in with all the tech stuff !

However...i'm now at breaking point...

I've had the HD2 from O2 since the launch date, and find it unbelievably annoying...although i really do try to 'love it' so, so much !!!

Can someone please help with a few questions that i'm desperate for answers for ?

1. My internal memory just seems to 'seep' memory, by the day. I've no apps, a handful of photos and haven't messed with it. I clear the opera and Explorer caches and history every day.

I've now resorted to doing a system reset ( hard ), about every 6 weeks...and you know how annoying that is, when i have to reset EVERYTHING !!!

2. I regularly 'Sync' my phone via the Windows Device Centre on my desktop. After every 'upload sync' ( see above ), all my 'Windows Live' contacts drop into my 'Contacts' list, as though they're seperate contacts ? I have to go in and delete them all ! All these details are already contained within my 'Contacts' files anyway !

3. Is it correct, that after every system reset ( hard ), all my email settings ( and Windows Live contacts, come to that ? ) aren't saved upon sync-ing ? I have to manually go in and reset them, every time at the moment ?

4. When in Windows Live, i haven't got the ability to open hyperlinks, sent to me via Messenger ? They don't ever show up in 'blue' ? Is this right ?

I'm presuming i'm doing something wrong here ?

Apologies for droning on...especially in my very first post !

Please help me 'love' this phone a little more !

Please bear in mind, my 3rd paragraph on here, if you feel you can assist ?

:(
[HD2 General] jakem:
I'm not sure why you would need to do a hard reset just to reclaim RAM but you could simplify the process by using software such as SPB Backup to take a full backup of your phone which could be restored after the reset. This would save you the hassle of having to set everything up from scratch.

However, it sounds like you might have some other problem if you are consistently running out of memory over time. Is it possible that you've installed an application that is running in the background and using too much memory? Have you tried a soft reset to see if that clears your memory?
[HD2 General] theleftside:
Many thanks for your reply Jakem...

I've tried doing a soft reset and it's freed up a grand total of 1MB...i'm now roaring away with a whole 7MB of internal storage !!!

:(

Can i just clarify that this SPB Back-Up, is a direct equivalent / improvement / superior option to the Windows Device Centre, for backing up my required info ?

Sorry for being a bit dense, but is it a 'Marketplace' app ?

Ive read about moving other caches onto my 2GB storage card, but surely, with my particular problem, it'll only fill the space up again ?

I'm lost !

:confused:
[HD2 General] rp-x1:
I think jakem has got your issue mixed up.

He is talking about RAM, whereas you seem to be talking about ROM memory.

There are a few cabs on this forum which transfer the album cache and Opera cache to the memory card (although you have mentioned you use the album very little, and clear Opera/IE regularly)

I have a program called PMclean, have a search for it in google, this seems to clear a lot of crap that is hidden from view.
[HD2 General] theleftside:
Many thanks rp...

Has anyone got any, slightly more 'direct' answers to my problem ???

I'm all ears !

:)
[HD2 General] elburna:
Are you sure that you always store your photos (in the camera settings), Footprints (move manually to SD) and mail attachements (Email, Inbox, Menu, Extras, Settings, Storage, Store Attachements on SD) to SDCard?

Just to give you an idea: 1 Photo (5MP) --> 2MB --> 75 Photos = Memory Full
[HD2 General] wacky.banana:
You asked for direct answers to your questions above so I will give it a go (see bold items above).

Take your time to go through the hints and tips thread I referred you to. Should help with some of your problems.

Need any further help, come back.

WB