yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Yep, you and spike chose a different route - attacking people directly with rude name calling. You think it's better than attacking ideas in a forum?

You probably felt asleep or something. That discussion continued for a while without you.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
Me and Spike gave you arguments/reasons.

You gave us insults.

I think anyone can confirm that, no need to lie about it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
No problem. I really have no problem with you. I just wanted to make clear that hacking will not be included in the first post.

This rule was there from the beginning.

However, you can talk about jailbroken iPhone as much as you want in the rest of the thread.

I just wanted to have the differences mentioned at one point. Other than that, I have no problem with talking about hacked phones, I just want to be clear about it.

I have no problem with you and I'm sorry if I made it seem like that.

No, the only one I have a problem with is vangrieg. He came here with no arguments whatsoever, only insulting everyone who didn't agree with him and destroying the whole thread in the process.

That's not how you are, Steve, and I'm sorry if I wasn't clear about that.

You may be an iPhone fan, but you're not a jerk like vangrieg, who destroyed my whole thread.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Yep, here and here. Anyone who "confirms" that it wasn't you two who started rude name calling would be a blunt liar.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Yep, you have a problem. You really shouldn't have started it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
Are we going to play the childish "who started what" game now?

Fine. You started calling my principle "childish bull****".

When asked for reasons, you were not able to mention any. Instead, you started spreading lies about what others said/ did not say.

When your lies were uncovered, you started throwing around all sorts of insults.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
You don't get it, do you? Attacking an idea is not the same thing as attacking a person.

Like I said, that discussion continued towards talking about what specific Apple policies were warranting not buying their products. Without you. Spike also disappeared, having nothing to say at some point.

And where exactly did I lie? Was saying that xda is to a great extent about hacking and therefore it's hypocrisy to abstain from discussing it in one single thread lying? Did I lie that it was you who included iPhone in the comparison, when I was responding to people who wanted to not talk about this platform? Do you have any grounds for your accusations or is it just empty talk?

You can't have a reasonable discussion, beginning to hide behind hastily invented "principles" when having nothing to say; you can't do name-calling well cause you suck even at that; you can't even freakin' accuse someone decently. Don't start things you can't do well.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
I told you about your lies. And whatever you say, you came here with no arguments, calling people's opinions "childish bull****" and throwing around insults at everyone who didn't agree with you.
[Windows Phone 7 General] eaglesteve:
Thank you.

I sincerely invite you and anyone with expertise in rooted Android phones to also participate in my thread.

Finally, this may be none of my business, but I wish you guys could just both back off and cool down. It's now all ****s on your thread and it's a pity.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
Well, I don't have expertise in rooted Android phones. The Nexus can be rooted by typing a simple command and other than enable the Exchange calendar, I've done nothing that would require rooting.

The Desire isn't rooted yet and it's not yet known how it will be rooted. And when it is rooted, I'll just follow the guide and install the APPS2SD and that's it, that's all I need the root for.

So if you want to know more about what rooting Android exactly gives, I'm probably the wrong guy. Nevertheless, on this forum there are certainly lots of people with more expertise in this regard.

Other than that, I'll take your advice and hope ignoring the guy does less damage to my thread.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
I said that basing a purchase decision on an assessment of whether the vendor's policies are good or bad is childish bull****. That's an opinion. You and spike started calling me names. That's a fact. I attacked a principle, you attacked me directly. You later elaborated that anyone who insults people who disagree with an opinion is an idiot and a moron. By your logic, you are.

Also, you never ever presented anything that would show that I was lying. You just keep repeating it, which doesn't make it true.

So it's you who is a liar, on several accounts. First, you lie about who's insulting people for having different opinions. Second, you lie about that principle of yours that hacking is unacceptable because you're an xda member. Third, you lie about me not presenting arguments. And finally, your "THE comparison" is a lie because you selectively approach to how you assess platforms.

Whatever is in that table of yours doesn't bother me, so you can of course add or remove anything you wish, I don't care. I will call that bull**** when it's bull****, in this thread or wherever I choose, at the time of my choosing. Because I won't be lying - I have no incentive to. You do, becaues you're here to promote Android. I may or may not be nice in how I call and treat you because in your case there's no reason to show respect - you called yourself a moron and an idiot (you did it, not me!), exercise principles which in my opinion are bull**** at best or lie about your principles at worst, admit to living in a box, and don't show respect for others. So keep going with your pseudo-analysis, I'll be watching it and occasionally will call your bluffs when I feel like.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
You claimed that people were denying that the iPhone is powerful when hacked, which is an outright lie.

And it's not the only one. And if you deny that you were lying, you're lying again.

And since I don't want any more **** on this thread, I'm going to ignore you troll.

I think everyone agrees with me that you are a troll that tried to destroy the thread.

Noone else started the **** and all your lies won't help you out.

The chart is now final and I'm not going to maintain it anymore, because of all the insults I had to take for my work on this.

This was intended as a help for everyone who wanted to know about all the different operating systems.

Unfortunately, the thread was turned into a flamewar by one troll and the people who did all the work had to take unsubstantiated bashing and insults for maintaining their reasonable principles, which are of course anything but "childish bull****".

I'd like to thank once again the people who helped me. If anyone wants to continue the work, you can just take it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] eaglesteve:
Oh, I didn't realise that Desire rooting isn't available yet. Thanks for the info. APPS2SD is the hack to allow more applications to be installed, onto the SD card? You have no need for multiple exchange server? I got impression somehow that you were using it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
I showed proof, you can't do it. Appealing to "everybody" won't change anything.

Nobody but you destroyed this thread, by placing it in the wrong forum, limiting the comparison by the borders of your narrow mind, and then starting a game in which you suck - you were so lame as to call yourself a moron and an idiot.

The world won't miss your "work" for a second. It's full of ****ty pseudo-

analyses, one more or one less won't change anything. Android fanboys can jerk off at your tables as they are. Anyone who is truly interested in comparisons would need a more unbiased and objective analysis anyway.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gogol:
Come on ... You should be quite intelligent to see the topic that is intended to be discussed. And you should know better about hacked, jailbroken, rooted device compare to non-hacked one.

Or you dont?

Of course, people could misunderstood the intention of this specific forum topic.

And I dont see the OP is wrong to "remind" you to go back to the original discussion topic.

Ok?
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Hacking is what XDA is about. We're not on official Google or Apple forums. Hacking is what is required that you make a meaningful comparison between the iPhone and other smartphone platforms. It's especially relevant because it's a WP7 forum, and WP7 will be even less capable that the iPhone without hacking. Now, the fact that the iPhone needs to be hacked is a drawback, and I said exactly that. Every other platform benefits from hacking, but in the case of the iPhone the change is dramatic. Without hacking it's not powerful enough to be in that table, however, so there's no need to bother comparing it to other platforms, it'll lose, everybody knows that, so there's nothing to discuss. If that's the point of the thread than OK. If the purpose is to learn something new then it's not.

There's nothing wrong with OP requesting to stick to the original topic. There's a lot wrong with calling people morons. Anyone with half a brain should realize that when you do it, you risk that the thread will be anything but the original topic. And you should also know that when you start that you'd better be good at what you're doing. If you suck at it then there's nobody but yourself to blame for the consequences.

Also, there's nothing wrong with people who come to join a discussion requesting to expand the topic when the way it's formulated doesn't provide for a meaningful exchange of opinions.
[Windows Phone 7 General] elyosiss:
Shut up vangrieg you troll! You're full of **** and lies!

You destroyed all the hard work you ****ing dumbass. YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE WHO IS WRONG AND FULL OF LIES.

THE OP HAS DONE GREAT WORK AND A FAIR COMPARISON AND ALWAYS BEEN HONEST ABOUT HIS RULES and you lying idiot only come trolling and destroying everything.

The chart is a meaningful comparison it's 100% fair that he does not include illegal stuff. Not everyone is a dork with no respect and no morals like you douchebag.
[Windows Phone 7 General] eaglesteve:
Sigh, another 1 post member. Why must people hide their real identity? I can create 100 new identities to give support to myself. Come on , stop this practice.

Please guys, put a stop to this. I have a new thread now and have no issue leaving this to pure stock OS comparison. Where are the moderators?
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Another 1 post member, yes. An idiot who can't even come up with different nicks for the clones. Or an idiot who can't remember login credentials and has to reregister to make a new post. Nice reference group.
[Windows Phone 7 General] elyosiss:
Because it's the internet you douche. Tell me your real identity. No?

Maybe I am an idiot because I forgot my password but you are an idiot because YOU ARE A TROLL, A LIAR AND DESTROY OTHERS HARD WORK.

And maybe I get banned immediately but I had to say this BECAUSE IT IS TOO BAD THAT YOU DESTROYED THE GOOD THREAD.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rorytmeadows:
Sethos FTW
[Windows Phone 7 General] WhyBe:
Actually, it is possible to learn something from other people's user-experience.

Things such as:

--How well the main functions are integrated (cloud, mail, contacts, calender, phone, PC, etc)

--How responsive is the device?

--How many clicks/motions does it take to accomplish simple things

--What type of GUI innovations make things easier than in other phones

--How does the OS behave after a day of use and tons of apps have been started/stopped (sluggish/speedy)

I could go on. All phones in the same price range pretty much have the same features. The differentiating factors are the OS, ecosystem, and ergonomics. I'm just saying, there needs to be more discussion of these factors.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rorytmeadows:
You forgot the image of owning the phone. You know, the reason why sheep flock to Apple products.
[Windows Phone 7 General] WhyBe:
If that's important to you, then yes, that's a factor. Same as clothes and cars. Same can also be said for any smartphone platform...not just Apple. But, I was speaking specifically of the experience of using the phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rorytmeadows:
It's important to consider because it's the main reason why iPhone sales are high, in case someone is going to use the "sales" argument anywhere.
[Windows Phone 7 General] eaglesteve:
Source of this research? Or only your opinion? It certaintly wasn't my reason for using iPhone. Actually if anything switching to iPhone has made me an outcast in thus community and caused me lots. It is despite all these disadvantage that love iPhone. User experience is the rewards for putting up with the pain.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rorytmeadows:
The opinion of a genius (me). You're not going to find research on it because no one ever wants to admit purchasing anything for image.

"Oh, I bought my iPhone because it's easy to use and simple."

"Yeah, sure you did."
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
I buy watches, suits, ties and shoes exclusively for image - I'd never buy any of that crap for myself.

With regard to the iPhone I don't know what kind of image its buyers would want to pursue since it's carried by everyone - reach, poor, young, old, businessmen and hipsters, teenagers and geeks.

Android is easy, it's a nerdish stuff with a nerdish name.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Spike15:
It's the image of being in tune with the modern happenings and changes in the world (i.e. the fact that everything is moving to being connected, accessible, and digital) -- hip -- without having to acquire any sort of underlying knowledge into how that system operates.

This isn't unique to the iPhone, you see it with "hipsters", people who just bandwagon on things that are, taken by themselves, totally stupid. Like casual Starbucks enviromentalists or vegans.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Sounds like a great description.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rorytmeadows:
Don't forget going green!
[Windows Phone 7 General] chikoo:
Awesome description. I see people doing it all the time. Doing things without understanding how it works. They just do it. Somehow I can never do it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] XaaR_:
Microsoft have stated that it's just the GUI thread (i.e. Main thread) that is frozen when leaving the App. Other threads continue to run and can do stuff like play music until the System runs out of resources.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Teyshar:
Windows Navigation

Windows has built in Nav using Windows Live. Should be added.
[Windows Phone 7 General] meangreen:
yes, BING navigation (free)
[Windows Phone 7 General] cPT.cAPSLOCK:
Some minor mistakes in the WinPho7 column:

The hardware keyboard can both de a sideway-slider as a portrait-slider.

An example of a portrait slider is the Dell Lightning.

Also, you don't mention the possibility to change the theme on WinPho 7 - However you can choose between two background (Dark / Light) and four accent colours (Blue, Red, Orange, Green). The background for the lockscreen is also customizeable.

Another mistake is that you say there is no navigation - However, Bing Maps is built in and supports this feature.

Even though there are some mistakes, you did create a nice list making it easier to compare the different platforms :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] TheMaster666:
Couple questions I didn't find an immediate answer to...

a) win 6.5 marketplace says <2000 applications.

I never understood this because the sheer number of pocket PC apps over the years.. and a few very old apps I run still work fine on winmo 6.5. Is this the number of apps actually "TESTED" on 6.5? Just never seamed accurate to me..

b) was there any official talk of win7 backward comparability?
[Windows Phone 7 General] rorytmeadows:
There's only <2000 apps that have been placed on the official Marketplace. I'm sure that with most, not a lot have been submitted to the Marketplace for official display. Plus, there's also the rare chance that some of the apps have been rejected for various reasons. Take a look at OPNmarket (OMarket) and all the applications in there that aren't in the Marketplace. It seems to me when comparing the two that if I was a developer, I'd rather distribute via OPN market.

Not backward compatible. I bet that there will be an emulator designed by one of the many XDA geniuses here within 3 months after OS release.
[Windows Phone 7 General] zarpy:
marketplace

The marketplace does indeed have alot of rules to enter. Many developers who use tools other than microsofts basically cannot get thier application released.
[Windows Phone 7 General] TheMaster666:
yeah... There isn't one marketplace for WM phone..

But when it comes to the shear number of apps available..

It's deceiving...

I know MS doesn't want to push non-Marketplace apps..

but if people are comparing based on specs.. they should estimate better how many apps are currently out there and can run..

There isn't one all powerful marketplace for PC apps... Why should there be for WinMo..

just my 2cents..
[Windows Phone 7 General] rorytmeadows:
I don't think Microsoft is AGAINST apps that aren't in their store, they just want more apps in there and I just don't think people are submitting them.
[Windows Phone 7 General] TheQuank:
Thanks I though this was a great overview!
[Windows Phone 7 General] shaundalglish:
Re application market:

The chart clearly states there are tens of thousands of apps available for WM outside of the Marketplace.

Inside the Marketplace, there are less than 2000.

It simply states the facts.

Re navigation:

I think the chart was created before Bing Navigation was released. Too bad it's not updated anymore.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Helmore:
If it's really simply stating facts then it should just say that the amount of available application for WP7 is unknown at the moment.
[Windows Phone 7 General] shaundalglish:
Don't know what's wrong with you guys, it says <2000 in the Market and 20-30000 outside of it, which is pretty accurate, that's the number estimated by MS and others. Have you even read the whole chart before complaining?
[Windows Phone 7 General] chch:
Why isn't the Android ROM in the comparison Froyo?

Tethering and Flash must be different. Cheers :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] God_Lx:
I know Maemo is unknown for most of you, so better to get the chart straight or just remove it... I've been a long WM user, from 2003 to 6.5.5 no several devices from HTC and other brands.

I mainly use Linux on all my computers and used at work and Maemo can actually do anything on it like you do on your PC since it's truly open and runs a full Linux distro like you would on your computer, you just need to know what to do, no hacking needed, just regular install/edit stuff since you get root right out of the box ;)

I'm using an N900 for now, altough an HD2 (with Qwerty please) or even a Galaxy S would be great for me, still I get more the PC feel with the N900 and that's what I'm interested in, I want a portable PC first and a phone second.

And no, I wouldn't recommend it to anyone that doesn't have a Linux background, it's just a waste...
[Windows Phone 7 General] Windcape:
'sup with the necro posts?

Anyway, The N900 is the first and only phone ever to have Maemo on it. Nokia ditched the project completely. (In favor of Symbian)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Fermat:
In favor of MeeGo. Not Symbian.

And in fact Maemo is part of that.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Windcape:
No, Symbian. Nokia have no official plans for using MeeGo at all.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Fermat:
Sure... :D

Poor clueless guy.
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
You are really completely clueless. 0 knowledge.

Of course MeeGo will oficially be used on top Nseries,

while Symbian on mid-end.
[Windows Phone 7 General] IM0001:
Not sure if its been mentioned but didnt feel like sifting through all the pages.. The OP did leave out Google Maps and Bing (with free voice guidance) as free GPS navigation on Windows Mobile 6.5. I believe the same Bing Voice Guidance will be in the final build of WP7 as well.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
Yea, I don't get how it possibly couldn't be included. No way they take a step backward. It's probably the same (or very closely related) team so there's certainly a lot of code sharing going on. It's probably just one of the "delighters" they're still saving.
[Windows Phone 7 General] IM0001:
I believe they are using an older version of the New Bing software. Similar to the one we had before we got Voice Nav. No biggie as long as it is included at a later date. No reason to go backwards if they want everything integrated. The Bing Voice Guidance is flat out excellent so far.
[Windows Phone 7 General] brandi:
Less then 2000 Apps for Winmo? Are you dreaming?!?!?! Whats the Source of this?
[Windows Phone 7 General] doministry:
WM has maybe 40.000 or something apps, they're just not in the Marketplace but on many websites.
[Windows Phone 7 General] q123456:
less than 2k apps for wm? maybe in ms store, but only on freewareppc are over 3k apps
[Windows Phone 7 General] arthurbrownleeiv:
Retard. Is that why Intel and Nokia are partnered now working on it?

http://nokiaexperts.com/nokia-intel-announce-meego-maemo-moblin-merge/

Thank God someone is pushing a truly open and powerful Mobile OS, after 6.5 is dead, I need somewhere to look to :D

And yes, there are far more than 2000 apps for winmo
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
You're an idiot who thinks a computer plugged into a wall is the same as a smartphone with an 11-1500mah battery. Why are you people allowed to post on forums.

Safari, iTunes are crap on windows, but great on mac - kinda like Zune and ie9 will be/are.

DoubleTwist doesn't even compare to either.

Phone multitasking is somewhat overrated. Computers are different. You typically multitask with more than one app on the screen on a computer, but not on a phone. Computers are also designed for more extended use cases compared to smartphones, which are designed for intermittent use as secondary devices.

Go play a game and steam/play music on any decent laptop or netbook and see how long that battery lasts, buddy...
[Windows Phone 7 General] vickypopstar:
Toshiba TG01

Do any one have Windows mobile 7 software
[Windows Phone 7 General] powersquad:
yes i do, but you can't have it..:o
[Windows Phone 7 General] loadstone007:
Nice comparison, well done.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ozy944:
+1,

Phones may be at 1Ghz but thats meaningless. What are they actually running in terms of code? What have their clock cycles been designed to do? What kind of thermal boundaries are being considered? What kind of power supplies are availiable? What are the Ram Speeds? What kind and speed of processor cache are availiable.

ARM and x86 processors are entirely different beasts. The OS on a mobile phone is very different from a PC/Mac. Apples to oranges is never a fair comparison....unfortunately ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] richteralan:
I give u an "F"

please rephrase.
[Windows Phone 7 General] richteralan:
I belive that probably because GMAP and BING requires data connections and streaming maps.

The only REAL FREE GPS with downloadable map data as far as I know is Nokia's OVI MAP.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Too bad their OS sucks...
[Windows Phone 7 General] richteralan:
if "their OS" means symbian,

No my friend, Symbian does not suck.

There's one single thing I miss about Symbian phones:

Alarms can sound even when the device is turned off.

Device will partially power on for alarm and turns off again after you dismiss the alarm. (Or on again if you just hit snooze)
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
From a usability perspective, it is primitive compared to most modern smartphome OSes, imo. It also looks like crap. Nokia phomnes are good, but their OS is a showstopper for me. Meamo (i think thats what its called) looks better though.