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[HD2 General] refuse2bstopped:
Adroid on HD2?

I've only had my hd2 about 3 days and after comparing to about 5 other win mo devices I have to say I'm FINALLY satisfied with a Win Mo phone. I wanted to change and flash the others almost as soon as I got them. But this one is finally one I'm totally satisfied with. And even though I wondered what it would be to have the droid based system on a win mo device, I can't see what's the urgency to have it on one that runs as fast as the hd2. But then again, I have 2 lines and have a g1 on the other line so I guess that would have something to do with it.
[HD2 General] zarathustrax:
I agree. I love it with WinMo. I'm in no hurry for android.
[HD2 General] jdjesus100:
i totally agree with you sir. I always love windows back when i had the wing and dash but then i went to android and loved tweeking it but then here came this beautiful phone HD2 at first it took time to get used to but once you learn how to tweek it to youre liking its an awsome phone. Pretty much does everything android does but to me its more versitile. I would love the dual boot but i can wait and when its ready donate and thank the fine people who put all there hard work and spare time into making XDA the best site in all of the internet.
[HD2 General] GHOST99K:
official DEV's thream of ANDROID on HD2

here is the thread of the DEVS who r working on ANDROID OS to HD2.http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=651632
[HD2 General] zarathustrax:
You make complete sense. Good post. Like I said earlier, I prefer WinMo atm, but it's nearing the end of it's supported life. I like android, and it's always improving. I'm sure my next phone will be an Android phone, cause I don't think I'm gonna like WinPhone7.

I posted that link a few posts ago:p ... but thanks for posting it again so people jumping to the end of this thread find it easy.;)
[HD2 General] Funkyrocemz:
thats not a very good argument.. you STILL cant find an HD2 ANYWHERE in any store except on the internet... and even that is a stretch on most websites...

guess that darned WM 6.5 (and non-upgradeableness, hehe i made a new word, to WP7) doesnt matter to most people... a beautiful phone running on a customization freaks dream OS is all people really need...

I'm not a big fan of WM but I have NO complaints about it... sure it could use more apps, but most apps (ESPECIALLY iphone/android apps) are gimmicks and what makes the masses clamor like gimmicks and out-the-box ease of use?

a rogue tit at the superbowl.. but thats neither here nor there...
[HD2 General] dornstar:
Come on now. That's because TMobile barely ordered any of the HD2s.

The first initial release when they "sold out" was only 21,000 phones. By comparison, TMo initially ordered 2 million G1's and pre-sold 1.5 million of them. And that was with Android in its infancy.

2,000,000 > 21,000

To use HD2 sales to show that WM is still alive really isn't very realistic. The problem with Windows Mobile is that Microsoft still doesn't understand the power of apps and recently has said that apps don't make or break an mobile operating system. I beg to differ. Android is kicking the snot out of WM for that very reason and until Microsoft changes their philosophy, it will continue to lag behind.
[HD2 General] ichigoismyhomie:
I guess your friends have not use HD2 as a WM phone then. I owned G1 since the launching day and I have rooted that phone like no tomorrow. Like I said in my previous post, there's only so many hacks/tweaks/mods/rom flashes that you can do on the G1 before the hardware can't handle anymore task/apps.

I don't know how and why your HD2 crashes on you so often (my first guess is that you screwed up during app installation/flashing ROM, or maybe hardware issue), but my HD2 stock ROM hasn't crash on me at all, no matter how much task/apps I have tried before. Like some people that posted in this thread, HD2 is finally the first WM phone that I also feel satisfied using it out of the box. In the years that I've used WM phones (MDA, Wing, Dash), this is the first time I don't have to run out of memory from launching the camera app.

If you still within your buyer's remorse period from Tmobile just return the phone and get another one.

Yes, I also want to see Android ported on HD2 and can't wait to do so, but at the moment WM is doing a good job keeping me entertain on this phone (especially FPSECE and all the other emulators out there).
[HD2 General] Funkyrocemz:
which proves my point... gimmicks sell phones, not productivity features which is Windows' downfall..

"Ooooo, it has interactive wallpaper!! I'm sold!!"

and before ANYONE says anything to dispute that, I've heard that exact quote from a few people...

and lol, I wasnt saying anything about sales.. Tmobile under-ordered the phones for the very reason they knew it wouldnt sell 2 million because of what I said a few lines up...
[HD2 General] xtenpeben:
lol, true.

but then again, this windows, android and iphone comparisons need to stop. these are all very different mobile OSs. I'm an Android fan myself. But in all honesty, I don't miss anything on Android when I made the switch to the HD2. And this is my first WM device and i only had to reset my phone once because HTC sense failed to launch when i hit the home button once. Other than that the phone runs fine. All it really takes is people learning how to use a device rather than doing a compare and contrast. Learning how to use a WM device and actually using it to its potential is really good.

but back to the topic, i think it'll take a while to port android to HD2. but i do wanna see one running.
[HD2 General] tuppaacc:
lol what I said earlier on my last post was actually meant for noobs posting new threads and asking the same friggin' question "how do I get Android on my phone" this wasn't meant for likezarathustrax and wisefire who are actually SENIOR MEMBERS and had been here a while and know what's up with this place

hahah lol :D
[HD2 General] kingrichards:
This is the best quote from you man!! I agree 100% percent here ,,,we should all be constructive.
[HD2 General] dornstar:
Seriously, you're way off on the "gimmick" thing. While there are plenty of gimmick apps and useless features, you can find those on Windows Mobile as well. Those apps and utilities do not define the platform as you are trying to do. The beauty of Android is the competition and that's the downfall of Windows Mobile.

For instance, as a runner, I like to record my workouts. On my HD2, there's a few apps to record my workouts and the best one that I have found is SportyPal which is nice with a surprisingly attractive interface for a WM app, but it's a fairly weak app. On Android, you have dozens of programs just like SportyPal, but because of the competition for programmers to separate themselves, they've taken the SportyPal concept to another level with apps like Race Against Yourself where you race against previous runs and it verbally tells you how much ahead or behind you are. It also uploads your runs so you can compete against tens of thousands of other runners. It's an amazing app and made me a better runner. WinMo offers nothing that's remotely comparable. Likewise, I play the guitar. On Android, there's tons of great guitar related apps like free ones to tune it. Well, because of the lack of competition on WinMo, a poorly constructed version of that free Android app is $20 which is ridiculous.

Like I said, it's the options that makes Android great, so you can continue with the whole played out "Windows Mobile makes me productive" and "apps are gimmicks" lines, but the fact of the matter is that Windows Mobile is knocking on death's door for a reason. Microsoft has and still refuses to realize what Apple and Google knew which was that the apps is what gives a phone the functionality to tailor it to the individual and makes people more productive based upon what they actually need to be productive doing, not some preconceived notion of what a phone should be.

Now, all that said, I do like Windows Mobile and the control you have over the phone. Bare bones, I prefer it to Android, but the OS is just a small piece of the pie though. It's like having a sandwich with no toppings on it and for that reason, myself and many others would prefer the option to put Android on our HD2 that way we can suit it to our own individual needs.

Finally, I don't understand why people like you are so blatantly against an Android build. If you don't want it, don't flash it. IT'S THAT SIMPLE. Personally, I like having options and regardless of where you stand on which OS you prefer, there's little debate that having the ability to run Android would be a HUGE addition to the HD2 community.
[HD2 General] tuck4x4:
I have actually been looking at this phone for months upon months before its release, having seen it shown as a concept on gizmodo.com.

I loved the hardware specs, but working for Cell phone companies as technical support, I hated the WonMo OS. (ATT and CellularOne).

Honestly, what sold me on the phone, and made me stand in line to get it on the day of release were the windshield wipers on the rainy weather screen....

Im dead serious... I moved from an Iphone to the HD2 because of windshield wipers.

And I love it!
[HD2 General] zarathustrax:
Hey tuck4x4, did you ever find out anything about the hd2 you saw running android at the t-mobile kiosk? Did it end up being a theme or shell?
[HD2 General] tuck4x4:
Geez i wish I did. I went back up to the Tmobile shop there at LaPlaza mall and talked to malinda and Jorge, the sales people there. Both state that the HD2 being used to teach the call center HD2 classes is dual booting Android, the phone is no longer at the kiosk.

It is a Tmobile engineer that has the handset. Ive got a friend in Tmobile Tech Support im trying to get hold of for more information. I swear im looking into this and anyone who wants can look up the number to Tmobile Kiosk in LaPlaza Mall, Mcallen TX and ask them directly.
[HD2 General] foyaeman:
I'm curious as to why exactly T-Mobile would put Android on an HD2 for training purposes..
[HD2 General] xspeed9190:
Not trying to be that guy buddy but that was not a T-mobile corporate owned store that was a Dealer. Dont beleive me look it up on tmobile.com no corp owned stores in that mall. All Dealers (FAKE T-Mobile store)
[HD2 General] awatt:
It sounds like those Indirect Dealers were blowing steam...

I've spoken with two HTC trainers, from HTC, who have both stated that Android + HD2 = Not happening. Not only that they have also stated that anyone who has added android will void his/her warranty. Obviously. If you want Android on your phone the best place to find that answer would be here.
[HD2 General] zarathustrax:
Yeah, that's what I've been thinking. How is it that some T-Mobile employees would have this Android port, but nobody on this forum would. This forum would be the first place that would hear about something like this. People on this forum get OS leaks for phones months before they're released... sometimes even before they're announced!

It just doesn't make sense.
[HD2 General] sk337sk337:
your information is completely false we have been sending out info to these dealers telling them to stop giving incorrect info. when android is available it will be here there is no android version of the hd2.
[HD2 General] Phenomenon:
This is something that can definitely happen. If I remember correctly the Dell X51V had Android ported to it but without being 100%.

Personally I can't see WHY OF ALL THE PHONES AROUND IN THE WHOLE FORUM THIS PHONE WOULDN'T GET IT. It has more than enough processor speed and hardware to allow any OS to run on it (even the WM7 phone from Dell MATCH the internal hardware).

Still the couple of things that I've seen so many developers thrown off here by on any OS development is the external hardware at times. One big thing that I could easily see become the issue:

No D-Pad​

The Android phones have that all in common. They have a d-pad and it could become an issue. The only way I can see this being resolved is by a software touchscreen Dpad, remap buttons to be directional, or just plain don't include it. I haven't used an Android device myself, but I see big touchscreens that make me believe people don't use the hardware controls as much so why would it be a big issue? I just hope the developers aren't quitting. If anything I see less and less experienced professional developers in XDA and sometimes with more and more reasons something like this "can't" be done. So I dunno I just hope it's possible and doable.
[HD2 General] htpw16:
Being that the Sprint HTC EVO is nearly identical in specs to the HD2 I would assume that Android from the EVO could be ported to the HD2 and devs could use that as a starting point.
[HD2 General] Wisefire:
The T-Mo representatives at the Corporate Store where I go, say that Android has already been ported but isn't fully functional (Ex: No Bluetooth, Wifi, or GPS)

I tried to argue with the douche bag that it has yet to be ported at all and he wouldn't shut the hell up about how right he was, and when I asked for a URL to the port and he said he wasn't sure where he found it.

Stupid people piss me off. ;-;
[HD2 General] zarathustrax:
You're misunderstanding.... There most definitely is developers working on porting linux and android to the HD2. I was saying there will be no official android port. None of the other WinMo devices with android have been official... they have been made by developers from these forums. Since the HD2 is one of the first WinMo with the snapdragon processor, they have to port a new linux kernel over than the one used for the msm72xx devices, so it will be a while before we se it finished. Probably close to a year for a fully functional port of android. A quick search in the original Leo Roms section will find the dev thread.

Also, if you had read through this thread fully or did a search, all this has already been answered and stated before, with links to the linux project thread.
[HD2 General] zarathustrax:
The EVO 4G is no more close in specs than the N1 is. It may help with some drivers for the linux kernel, but it can't be easily ported for the EVO. They have already made much progress porting the linux kernel using the N1 as a starting point, but it's a complicated process porting the linux kernel to a winmo device. It will still be quite a while. If you read all the post in this thread, you would have seen this answered already and found links to relevant posts.
[HD2 General] beetlebailey44:
Well, I purchased the HD2 with one intention. Android is going on it, if I have to wait a year. I already own a G1 but the screen is sooo small. I Like some of the apps on the HD2 but i love the way the android works. I never intended to keep this phone stock! If it gets bricked... so what. I will get another one and try agian. I want to do it myself, not wait and buy a boxed item. I want what I want... not what the man wants me to have! I already unlocked the hd2. Next is android. I have tried to install a few that looked like they would work. No luck! If you are Developing android for the HD2 hit me up. I will try it out and let you know if it works or not.
[HD2 General] zarathustrax:
It seems like a lot of people posting here don't really understand the process it takes to get android working on a WinMo phone. Unlocking the phone with HSPL has nothing to do with it. You will be able to use the android port once it's done whether you hspl'd your phone or not. You use haret.exe to shut down the WindowsCE kernel and launch the linux kernel... then android runs on top of that. I don't know where you would have found any android ports that look like they might work. You must develop a working linux kernel before you can develop any working android OS.

There is only one linux project for the hd2 going on that i'm aware of. You can find the thread about it in the LEO ROMS section if you search, or even look on the first couple pages. It usually stays near the top as it's a pretty active thread. They are still working on the linux kernel. You're not going to be able to just test out different android ports until one works... it's gonna have to be developed for the hd2, and you're gonna need a working linux kernel on the hd2 first. There's no point in trying out any until they have it up and working.

By time it's fully functional, there will be android devices with better screens and specs, so if you're doing this cause you want the nice screen or specs that the hd2 has, you'd be better off waiting for an android device.

But, once the port is up and working, the HD2 will be the best WinMo device that can also boot android, which is perfect for me. I plan on using WinMo most of the time, but it will be great to boot into android when I want to play around with it. Just remember... even for the touch pro, which uses the kernel that was started years ago, there are still many problems with the android port... it doesn't use all the hardware and can have battery draining issues, so it's not necessarily something that is easily used full-time. It's getting better, but it takes time. If you're waiting to be able to use android FULL-TIME on you're HD2, you're probably in for a long wait. It's fun to play with as they make progress, but if you don't want to use WinMo most of the time, the HD2 is not the phone for you.
[HD2 General] fhaines:
clarification

No D pad is not an issue.

I own a Cliq and it has no D pad on the front of the phone. Granted there is one if you slide open the keyboard, however the phone is fully functional without ever sliding out the keypad. In fact game devs on the Cliq have used a virtual screen D pad so games can be played in portrait.

Not arguing, Just clarifying :rolleyes:

fhaines
[HD2 General] fhaines:
Android

I agree,

The port using haret will come, and who knows, the way HTC uses the same hardware between phone, perhaps a full rom.

Anyone who has been on this forum for any length of time knows, HTC is the most customizable, chef friendly, port-able, line of phones ever made. Hands down.

Yes, It will take time. My old T-Mobile MDA was far more functional and customizable than any new phone, and that was 2 years after it was released.

Long live HTC.

fhaines
[HD2 General] zarathustrax:
I don't see any roms being made anytime soon. There hasn't been any android ports that are fully-functional and bug-free for any wm phones yet, and you would want it fully functional before flashing it permanently. It could be years before we have an android port that is 100% functional on the HD2. It's been over 3 years since they started porting the linux kernel to the msm72xx devices (TouchPro, TP2, etc.), and the android port is still far from perfect.

While they use some of the same components in the WM and android phones, it doesn't mean you can take an android rom from and android phone and flash it to a WM phone. You're not going to be able to just flash an EVO rom onto the HD2 just because they have similar components.

I see it being better just using haret... that way you can keep it WinMo, but also boot into linux when you want.
[HD2 General] beetlebailey44:
I agree also,

I know it will be some time before there is a functional version of android for the HD2. Still doesn't hurt to be hopefull...lol. I think Haret will be the way to go also. We can have both WinMo and Android on one phone. HTC rules!
[HD2 General] zarathustrax:
This was posted earlier in the thread, but here is a link to the updated HD2 Linux project thread.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=651632
[HD2 General] tuck4x4:
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[HD2 General] bradecrain:
I have my phones for about a year then I trade them for the latest and greatest. Always been WinMo. Android doesnt impress me nor does iphone OS which is why I dont see why were concetrating efforts into something like this especially since winmo works just as good and imo better than winmo.

Hey we should put gentoo on our phones so we can command line everything. Maybe that will make everyone happy then.

call -u root p1 8008881234 LMAO
[HD2 General] N1M1TZ:
Yes, it would be nice to see ANDROID running on this phone. I don't expect it anytime soon.

BTW-

:confused:
[HD2 General] KidTech:
I wonder how long Devs are going countuine working on this, if much progress isnt made. Many have stated that this might take 6 months- 1 year for a port, by them new phones will be out will DEVS still be looking forward to port Android or will they quit and move on if take so long...Because in a year i bet most of us will have new phones because were not the avg cellphone consumer..
[HD2 General] zarathustrax:
The development will continue for porting a linux kernel to the snapdragon processor because this isn't the only phone that will use it. Also, they are still working on android for the kaiser, and thats 3 or 4 years old. It took them 3 years to get to the point there at with the kaiser. In a year, there will be more of a desire for linux on the hd2 because wm won't be supported as much. It was known and stated by the developers from the beginning that it would take over a year til there would be good ports. Also, I don't know why you're saying much progress isn't being made... they've made great progress for the time spent on it. These things take time... you expect them to finish it in a month or something?
[HD2 General] KidTech:
Let me rephrase what i said, can be misinterpreted. I'm saying that what if Devs said one day their not making much progress as they thought or would like and quit working on it..I understand that this takes time and can be very frustrating to the devs and at one point or another they can just be done with it because its not an easy process. I'm very grateful for what they do, but maybe at times devs just get fed up and quit just like when we do when were not making the progress we like. So we move onto something else.
[HD2 General] zarathustrax:
Well, that's a possibility.... but hopefully someone else will pick up where they left off and continue development. I saw that happen with android development for the athena. Different developers worked on it for a while, didn't make enough progress to keep interest, but even now someone else has started working on it. That device is 2 or 3 years old. Still a great device imo. I still use it.... nice 5" screen and cool attachable keyboard. It would be great to get android or other linux distro working on it. Would definitely breath new life into it.

And thats whats great about putting android/linux on these devices... it breaths new life and interest into them. You usually don't see android on them until there over a year old.

You really shouldn't get these devices expecting android to be put on them, because you're just going to be disappointed. I don't think there's a FULLY-functional android port for any WinMo device yet... even ones that have 2 or 3 years of development. It should be look at as an added bonus when they do get it working on the device. I've never seen a WinMo device before that had so many people pushing for and expecting android to be ported so quickly. I guess people see that its been done for other devices, so they expect it... also I've seen the HD2 bring in more WinMo noobs than any other WinMo device before, so they don't realize how these things have worked in the past or know how difficult it actually is. For the HD2 they have to create a whole new kernel for the snapdragon chipset.... they don't have a kernel already developed for it like the TP2 did.

Anyways, you should be happy with the HD2 for what it is now, and if you're not, it's not the device for you. There may never be a FULLY-functional android port... and no one has promised one... so don't expect one. It will be great when they get android working on the HD2. It will happen probably just in time to "breath new life into it". ut even after theres a bootable copy, there will still be a lot of development still needed to be done and will take a long time to have it as good as a device made for android.