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[HD2 General] zarathustrax:
How can you say that the iphone is more versatile when modding than a WinMo phone? That's ridiculous. The iphone is not customizable at all. WinMo is COMPLETELY customizable. Thats just how the OS's are made. That's why people have trouble with winmo... its made to work on so many different hardware and can be customized completely to someones liking, but it takes some work to get it exactly how you like it. Iphone OS is made for 1 piece of hardware and is locked to work one way, but that way it works perfectly out of the box. But it only works that one way, theres not much customization possible and you have to use it the way they set it to be used.
[HD2 General] Raadius:
I'm not gonna explain what I already know. I get his metaphor, you don't, tough luck. Try reading it slowly, maybe it'll come to you.

Anyways for as my 'crying', if you don't like it, don't read it. If you can't contribute to this thread, don't reply. Ill continue to post my problems as I please, for those than can help me.
[HD2 General] low-dogg:
Ok guys, don't cut my head off here!!!

I have had dropout problems with my HD2... it was not just frustating, it was killing me.

So i changed my rom to energy's 1 april release (running SOOOOO smooth!), and my radio from 2.08 to 2.06.50.23_3 (live in denmark), now i have 0 problems!

My HD2 now runs really really smooth without a single problem.

This is not me being a wm fanboi, cause i understand how frustrating it can be when your 400$ device does not work proberbly out of the box!

But having sad that and meant that, my HD2 runs perfect now, i could'nt have been happier for any phone now!

I have had countless different phones now, more than 25 (i'm 23 yo) including an iphone 3G and a htc hero.

Android is cool and the only thing that let me down a bit, was the constant connection to google and sync problems with my outlook. (but i really like android and do think that it is the future)

The iphone on the other hand i had zero complaints about, but still the phone bored me?!?!? i really don't know why, cause i had it jail broken and themed and so on, but somehow the doll homescreen really bored the ass out me:)

My 2 cents..
[HD2 General] fearlless:
i feel the same way. but more like after a week of constantly FREEZING and lack of apps. i cant take it anymore!
[HD2 General] Wildcopper:
I have an European HD2, which I didn't hack, mod or change roms, so I'm running the original Orange 1.43 roms. I installed several applications I use daily, CoPilot for the GPS which is awesome and as efficient as a dedicated GPS device, CorePlayer to watch DivX videos (along with SRS audio), and a load of free applications which you can find all over the web.

I use the phone as agenda too, the HTC Calendar does the job fine and smoothly.

I surf the web and never had any drop outs or problems, and thanks to the big screen and the 1gz processor, it's smooth as a baby's ass. I also love how the phone syncs to my Windows 7 computer without have to tweak and hack, simply by plugging it in.

It's also amusing that the iPhone "trolls" always talk about the appstore... then you go look there and 90% of the stuff there is useless crap anyway. Between the Marketplace, but also AppStore and OMarket, and sites like this one, the HD2 has more than enough USEFUL applications to fill your memory with. Talking about memory... it's so nice to have interchangeable microSD cards instead of the fixed iPhone memory.

My guess is that the people who have problems are mostly those who tried to mod and hack the phone beyond their technical capabilities. For me, the phone worked right out of the box smoothly and has expansion capabilities through free (or not) applications which I didn't explore fully yet.

- A fully satisfied professional HD2 user.
[HD2 General] M@rtyn04:
Interesting thread! I have neither the HD2 or the iPhone (currently have a Touch Diamond 2 and an iPod Touch 2G), though if I had a sudden win in the lottery I would go out and buy an HD2 tomorrow. Why the HD2 and not the iPhone 3Gs? Because I still love WinMo.

I know that WinMo has a lot of warts and can at times be a *****. But hey, we're talking about an OS that is over ten years old and has hardly been modified in that time (a few face-lifts and and a nip'n'tuck to make it look better). And though Apple has just announced it's 4th gen OS, it is STILL playing catch-up with WinMo.

On the other hand, the iPhone OS is brilliant and simple to use. It has also been innovative with the addition of a digital compass thus paving the way for Augmented Reality. And with it only being offered on the one model of phone, the hardware/software symbiosis is perfect.

However, the reason that I would buy the HD2 is still down to the out-dated OS that is WinMo. Not to mention that wonderfully large screen and the speedy processor, or the higher screen resolution compared to the iPhone. As to the original complaint of not working-out-of-the-box...... well, I have a friend that has the 3Gs and he is currently on his 5th iPhone 3Gs in 9 months (he obviously loves the thing to keep going back for more, or is a sucker for punishment).

I guess my point is, that at the end of the day, you make your choice and have to live with it. Not being able to afford new devices as and when I feel like it, (I have to wait till new contract time) I have a good amount of time to make a decision about what is the next phone on my wish-list, because I will then have to live with that decision for the next two years. Oh and by the way, the Diamond 2 is a damn good phone :D

Sorry, just had to get that off my chest ;)
[HD2 General] StuartAston:
Hello my name is stuart and i am a former iPhone owner. I had several Windows Mobile devices right back to the very begining of WM and CE. I loved my iPhone, and I was forced to change for work, i was not a happy camper.

To me the HD2 "worked out of the box" for any given value of work... the challenge, it just does not work "as well" or as "smoothly" as the iPhone without tweaking.

I can and did Tweak my iPhone as well, it was jailbroken and so forth, had applications added to it and just seemed to work with every tweak it got better.

The HD2, suffers from the fact that you have a beautiful UI under which you have WM6.5 which is ugly, and not really finger driven, the challenge of course is you go back and forth between them giving this constant snap and change, that your head has to go through... it irritates, it niggles. The freezing that I had to fix by turning off the double lock, the lack of as well developed easily available applications, etc...

The functionality of the phones are different, i wouldn't say one was more functional than the other. Yes if I want a phone where I can write arbitary code and get it to run, and tweak every last detail, then yup WM is a platform that works for that...but it fails to provide a seamless touch UI from begining to end, and that is important in a "touch" phone, it does do it better than almost every other WM device I have ever held.

Having tweaked and played, I am begining to find features that I genuinely love, conference call intergration for example is good example, but, I had to learn how to use the phone, and change the way I worked to match it, quite a lot.

And that is the flaw, a good UI should capture the needs of 80% and enable them to do what they need to without thinking, much... now many of you will say "ah yes you were an iPhone user"... yes... but I was a WM device user for nearly a decade first... and the iPhone worked for me out of the box...

Those of you who are saying iPhone is not as functional, are missing the point that any system has to include the human in the loop, the iPhone did that without me even thinking, the HD2 (really WM) made me have to think about the UI.

I have now installed a number of tweaks and apps and I am now content with my HD2, I have not resorted to kinetic effect to fix it, yet :) ... though the hyper sensitivity of the screen, fixed with a screen protector, did come close. And I look forward to the fact that I will never see "0 Bytes remaining, press to download" instead of the email as I did on my iPhone.
[HD2 General] sharpey:
Guys please stop feeding the apple trolls
[HD2 General] bocsta:
Gotta agree.....after countless WM phones (its all I've ever owned), I had high hopes for the HD2.....

alas HTC have already moved on with their next device....

(The text messaging issue is an absolute disgrace.....I keep my hammers locked away but I swear the HD2 will get a hiding one day :mad: )
[HD2 General] cgrec92:
I've never seen such rubbish posted in my life, you can tweak and tweak and still you won't get an OS faster and more stable than OSX, so if WM is a race car, OSX is a Harrier. KEEPING IN MIND THAT THE IPHONE HARDWARE IS RUBBISH (600MHz) COMPARED TO THAT OF THE HD2 (1GHz), SO YOU EXPLAIN TO ME HOW ON EARTH IT'S POSSIBLE THAT THIS PHONE LAGS, FREEZES, RESETS ITSELF, OVERHEATS! A 1GHz can't load more than 50 texts in less than 10 seconds, come on WM fan boys it doesn't take an expert to see the cause because it's definitely not the hardware.

Look volDeus, the iPhone (and other phones) work as soon as you get them, they work perfectly, let's stick to your car metaphor (which actually if you did a bit of reading i posted a couple pages back).

When you get an iPhone, you get a Ferrari, everything works perfectly, every aspect is beautiful, the car's beautiful driven by a powerful engine.

When you buy a Windows phone, you get a Volvo, some things work and some things don't, you can tweak it by adding spoilers, rims, paint job, tainted glass, new wheels, but at the end of the day the engine can't handle it.

Let's see if you understand this metaphor?

Any other OS phone, everything works as soon as you get it, it has already been tweaked to the best of its ability.

I don't know how you can argue for a device which you admit needs to be heavily tweaked in order for it to work, it's just a stupid point.

How come no one has answered any of my posts further up? Truth hurts huh?
[HD2 General] rp-x1:
Incorrect. My Nokia E90, (as well as the N80 and the 7610 prior to it) all required updates to finish the job it was intended for.

Hell, the 2nd E90 firmware update actually broke the bluetooth drivers, and it took Nokia 18 months to fix (9 of which were a vast number of users on their UK forum trying to get Nokia to admit it)

My Blackberry only has a very limited feature set, so I'm not surprised it "just works", a majority of the time. Out of the 70 our company has in the UK, we've have to send 15 back, and format/hard reset a further 7 due to not synchronising correctly to retrieve mail - its primary purpose.

Also, the iPhone is getting updated regularly, so I'm assuming a large number of users are experiencing problems, or lack of features, otherwise Apple wouldn't need to bother?

Basically, nothing is perfect, especially with mass-production. No one comes onto any forum to specifically say that their phones work perfectly, what would be the point? The use of these forums is to get help when there are problems, or when you wish to gain assistance with tweaking.
[HD2 General] cgrec92:
The iPhone updates? you mean ADDING the ability of 4G, to multitask etc? that's not fixing anything that's making it even better than it is. Unlike HTC and Windows, Apple takes pride in their customer service, hence why they're doing so well.

Are you seriously comparing the HD2 to a Nokia N80? bit unfair don't you think, in that case I agree with you the HD2 is better than the Nokia 3330, actually no it isn't cos i was able to make calls and send texts without the whole device freezing.

I agree with you, I hate BlackBerries, no argument there, but we're not talking about RIM are we?
[HD2 General] rp-x1:
You mean the multi-tasking, the feature WM has out of the box, needs to be added within an update?

4G cannot *just* be a software update, it needs the hardware to support it.

My HD2 sends and receives phone calls, as well as send and receive messages without hindrance, unfortunately for you, yours has issues.

The true test of customer service is when you have an issue, it is resolved personally, not when they bolt on features that should have been there in the first place.

Oh, and just to burst your bubble, the iPhone interface is a software made originally by Fingerworks, and isn't OSX in any form.

To conclude:

You like the iPhone? Go and buy one.

You don't like the HD2? Sell it.

Nice and simple.
[HD2 General] cgrec92:
I'm getting it exchanged for a HTC Desire, don't worry about me, personally i've had enough of this phone which can't even stay connected to the Internet.
[HD2 General] monkeybutler365:
Cgrec92

The Desire does look awesome- I'm personally holding out until the UK version of the EVO or similar gets released, as having had the HD2 I don't think I could give up the screen.

I do think you must have got a dodgy handset however, as I've experienced none of the problems you state, with either the default UK Tmob rom, or Artemis's which I'm using now. I am using a different radio to you (2.06) so maybe that's the deciding factor.

I have an iPod touch as well which gets me all the awesomeness of that ecosystem, but find I'm using it less and less now I have my HD2. In fact the only thing I'm really using it for is Gameboy emulation, and the music creation apps. Everything else is better on the HD2- web browsing is way, way faster, and handles multiple tabs better, email is just as good, psx emulation is great, rss reader does the job etc.

I would suspect this is a pointless argument, as just as with desktop OS's all the mobile platforms have their merits, what makes or breaks them are the tasks the user wishes to use them for, and the way in which they want to work.
[HD2 General] njeo:
My HD2 had too many foibles for me to put up with using it everyday, so I bought a Nokia X6 for workdays when I need a device that just works. Now I use the HD2 in the evenings and weekends - Opera, coupled with that big screen, is fantastic and now I usually reach for the HD2 instead of my laptop. My HD2 has the stock O2 1.43 ROM which isn't particularly robust for what I do with it daily, although it's fine for the two tasks I now use the phone for; games and internet browsing.

And no I'm not saying the X6 is better than the HD2 - they are used for different purposes so a comparison between the two is useless.
[HD2 General] Wildcopper:
Overheat, reset itself? Please, give us a break with your stupidities.

Or had you, just like your signature said, used a hacked/modified ROM?

Then you can only blame yourself, and not the device.

Good, now you only have to leave the HD2 forum for the Desire forum. The last step is at hand, your freedom (and ours) is close.
[HD2 General] supplier_new:
Hey,

Upgrading ROM is not so simple because.... there is no wiki with step-by-step instructions. Bits here, bits there... Never the less I’m frustrated with HD2. Symbian was way to stable and out of box just worked. Especially phone part - without any customizations I was able to backup/ restore/ add any information at any moment to my contacts. And "wait" function works even if I embedded it 3 times into 47-digit number of international calling using calling cards. With WM I cannot get "wait" function to work even with customizations. (And “p” or “,” just DOESEN’T WORK as the network response time different during peak and off-peak hours.

My wife wanted iPhone and I convinced her to take HD2 (was good deal – get one free). But I do regret about it. For three days we owe these phones I did hard reset 3 times on mine and one time on her. Now I have to teach her to soft reset phone twice a day and how to mute the ringer if she’s at work and phone freezes just from incoming call, etc… Come on, it should not be this way. Sooner or later I’ll make my phone to my likings and will update her phone the same way, but so far I’m have long way to go. It just shouldn’t be this way.

Never the less, Please suggest what is most stable ROM to use for T-Mobile USA and what Radios to download. I need to make my wife’s HD2 to work ASAP or it goes back to the store and I’m one to blame again.

I have Flash size 1024MB (from hardware Info). Someplace i read this size is not supported for ROM flash? HELPPPPP!!!!!
[HD2 General] PeterGuru:
There's one simple fact about human nature. When it comes to anything, and I mean ANYTHING, negative things are brought up far more often than positive things. This is why the news is almost always bad. Good news simply doesn't sell. You have to do 20 good things to get rid of having done 1 bad thing.

The same applies to the HD2. Mine was working perfectly right out of the box (and continues to do so to this day). To suggest that the majority of users are experiencing problems simply because you keep reading about problems on this forum is statistically irrelevant. It's simply anecdotal.

The fact remains that for every complaint you read, there are probably 20 or more people who love their HD2. This statistical issue applies to just about everything.

For example, if you're listening to a talk show on the radio, and the host brings up an issue that truly irritates you, then you are MORE likely to call and give your opinion. If you agree with the host, then you are NOT likely to call. It's human nature. Remember the phrase, "The squeaky wheel gets the grease." You hear much more about complaints than you do about praise.

So, just because you read about problems on this site means nothing. The fact remains that, for the vast majority of people who bought the HD2, it's working very well for them, and doing exactly what they want it to do.

Go to almost any iphone site (I did) and you will read about many complaints with their phone.

(shaking head)

Remember, if the HD2 TRULY had issues concerning the majority of people, or even a significant percentage of people, then HTC would never be able to sell it. It's being bought at break-neck speed, which must say something. HTC is not stupid.

Here's a simple solution: If you don't like the phone, bring it back and use the money to buy another phone. In the meantime, @&%$-up.

ADDENDUM: I just read, "HTC reported a 19.3 percent increase in revenue to US$1.2 billion in its first quarter. The company's revenues rose sharply to $516.37 million in March, an increase of about 60 percent from February and 32.4 percent compared to the same month last year." Well, well, I guess everyone is returning their HTC phone because they all have too many problems. :)
[HD2 General] supplier_new:
Agreed, as people tend to look for help here when they have problems.

I started to look at this forum as I needed adjustment to the screen - without hacks I couldn’t slide my finger without setting wrong application/contact etc... But as I follow the post I find more and more problems.

And yes, it's easy to return something back to the store -- it doesn’t meat the next model will not have something else wrong. I was happy with Symbian for 4 years and one wrong release from Nokia turned me away from patronizing Nokia. I prefer hacks to the use-it-as-is deal as long as I can achieve what I need.

HD2 is multimedia device BUT it’s a phone and people forget one thing – phone is suppose to work in case of EMERGENCY and battery needs to last whole day in case of EMERGENCY and not your own emergency but most important --- YOUR FAMILY EMERGENCY, people who relies on you being available when they need you…
[HD2 General] PeterGuru:
I agree and disagree.

This whole EMERGENCY thing is way out of control. The world got along VERY well without cellphones long before they were invented.

Cellphones are a convenience. They really don't improve 95+% of most emergencies. Most emergencies are simply not emergencies at all.

Same thing about children with cellphones. Parents say it keeps them safer, and they want to be able to keep in touch, "just in case." However, if you look at the statistics, the incidence of child abduction is no different today than it was in the past. The only thing that's different is the media. We can IMMEDIATELY hear about abductions all over the world, so we think it's an increasingly terrible issue. It's not.

I do agree that some phones (some HD2s) will have problems, and they will not perform as expected, or will truly be a problem device. I feel for people who have such a phone, but when compared to all phones, it's still a VERY small percentage.
[HD2 General] SPENONE:
Man, all this crap is absurd.

I was waiting for this phone since December. I hyped it up to my friends, backed it up 100% and even cleared my iphone in anticipation of it.

Once i got the phone i realized all along what the reviews from the web were saying. AMAZING screen, Great sense of speed, Awesome weather app....BUT WINMO kills it. I know you can tweak the phone to how you want it, you can even make the phone faster BUT windows mobile is still a freezing pile of trash.

I love the HD2...hardware wise.....but i cannot stand winmo and until there is a Great android port for the device..im staying way clear of it. NOT 1 person that has bought the phone has told me that they DIDNT have to reset the thing at least 1 time a day, and i dont want to hear about fixes or tweeks...that's just unacceptable. I tried to give it a chance, but the phone was way better off NOT in my hands. I am back to my old EDGE/silverback iphone and although not as new as the HD2 it sure does a hell of alot better job. Oh yeah...and i dont really care about apple...im a PC. :D
[HD2 General] supplier_new:
Statistics? show me statistics (not to start another fight here) it's retorical. well then communication is convinience as well .... and computers.... but for me it's a way to make living...

If one is a 6ft and 210lb male with a girlfriend that bothers him 10 times a day on a phone I bet one can live w/o cell phone. Here is a piece of statistics - current rate of children born with Autism is 1% (in USA) compare to 0.02% 15 years ago. And many other Phyc problems as well. Those parents and kids relying on communication with their lives.. Maybe not a good examle but I hope you understand what I was trying to say.
[HD2 General] zarathustrax:
If you don't like WinMo, why did you want this phone and hype it up? There will be similar phones hardware-wise being released for all the mobile os' soon enough. This one is WinMo. Just because it was the first one released with these types of specs doesn't mean you should even consider it if it doesn't use the OS you're comfortable with. If this phone was released as an android phone or the iphone had these specs, I would've waited for a phone like this to be released for WinMo. That's my preference.
[HD2 General] micaman:
I DONT :) :)