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[myTouch 3G, Magic General] looktall:
yep. the old 1.5 rom with htc framework does exactly this.

i know, because i still use 1.5 for just this reason.

the best rom you'll find that does this without any need for third party apps etc is enomther's the original rogers rom. (not to be confused with his the original donut roms.)

you'll find it in the G1 development forum.

in order to use GAL addresses, you have to use "add receipient" to fill out the "to" field when doing an email. then you can choose between "contacts" (google) or "company" (GAL).

you can't browse the GAL as far as i am aware, but you can search it.

EDIT: by the way, it does full exchange sync. emails, contacts and calendar.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] markkohfm:
you can get a 2.1 rom and flash the moto apps from droid that includes gal, corporate calendar. that is what i am using now.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] alan090:
you can purchase touchdown and it does everything you ask

on any version you want

includes searchable GAL
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] gymmy:
I trial a HEAP of different phones for work and this is pretty much what it comes down to when you are talking business use.

While i love the Android and have a N1 myself it falls over on some MAJOR areas.

1: No Client side cert capability.

2: No Encryption

3: No Group Policy Abilities

4: No Remote Wipe of the device

5: Not FIPS rated (no encryption)

The Google phone is great, i love it over an Iphone but until these issues are sorted I would NOT recommend these for business use. As far as personal phones go they are awesome !

The only phones that are correctly rated for use as far as encryption and GPO are unfortunately WM6 and WM6.5 :( I HATE these phones cant stand them but they are (Believe it or not) the most secure ! Lets hope when the Iphone releases their new OS in the next month or so they may become a more realistic player in the business market.

Or (Fingers crossed) Google and Droid do some real work into making these phones more secure.. If they did i know they would be more popular with the business community !

G.

A.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] alan090:
umm android has all those through applications available in the market ....
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] m_elk:
What are moto apps

What are moto apps - can' seem to find it searching on xda... If anyone could enlighten me, I would appreciate it.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] Zoide_:
I whole-heartedly recommend Nitrodesk TouchDown. It's a kick-ass app for Exchange. You get push updates for Mail, Calendar, etc.

It might seem expensive relative to your average mini-app, but you have to keep in mind that this is way more useful than those.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] BigRD:
My employer's MS exchange set-up incorporates security pin that none of the Android ROMs support - that I'm aware off! I'm currently on day 20 of the 30 day trial with Touchdown and really am impressed. It supports mail, calendar and contacts with GAL and most importantly for me I can finally log on because of the pin security support. The iPhone supports this too however the pin is required every time you want to use it for any app whereas on Android you enter the pin when launching Touchdown. Worth the $20 imo :)
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] alan090:
glad we reached a consensus that business users need to stop whining about exchange and drop 20$ for touchdown :)

is really a stellar exchange client

hopefully there will not always be a need for this as it should be part of the base OS
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] ricardomega:
FYI

The only thing that is needed comparing from the touchdown app to any Android OS to have full Exchange support is to fetch the Active Sync certificates forced by the enterprise security policy.

The enterprise I work for, doesn't use the Active Sync certificates forced and runs on Exchange server 2007. No issues with the Exchange Android OS. No touchdown needed.

The partner who we support has to fetch the certificates and runs on Exchange server 2003. Now, they will migrate everything to Exchange 2007..., than I want to see what will happen because they will keep the security policy or adapt it to the new infra. I'm using the touchdown, because otherwise I'll have my account locked on the Radius server.

iPhone's are even more limited. To sync an iPhone with my partner Exchange server 2003, you need the following:

- On the Inbox folder have less than 500Mb

- Be over the OS version 3.x.x

- If you make a NT password reset, you have to re-create the profile and sometimes hope for a miracle or change the domain to the complete address or insert it on the username.

Once again on the Exchange 2007, no issues.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] dorandroid:
I had the same issue with android because I use exchange calendar and mail.

CursorSense has exchange calendar, it is 1.5, but works very smooth for me. The main problem was the initially pin, I had to call my exchange IT person to remove that security so I can use it. Otherwise, you are out of luck.

I've never had success with android 1.6. I've tried the Moto apk, and many other names, adb push it to the phone, and it just doens't work. So, for me, 1.6 has no exchange calendar, but only email.

As for 2.1, it does support exchange calendar. But I'm waiting a faster rom to start using it. In the meantime, I use touchdown, which is WAYYYY better than the native software from android. The widget actually works!! The widget from android in 2.1 includes Email and Calendar, but none of them refreshes the information all the time, so you will actually have to go in the email account to see new email, and your calendar to see new updates. With Touchdown, the widget is easier to use and it updates quickly. It is too expensive, I agree.

There is another app, called Roadsync, but I don't like the UI.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] st0kes:
Well, that is down to the business running Exchange, not anything to do with Android ... enterprises should be using universally trusted certificates.

If you get a certificate error in activesync it means your exchange admin bought a cheap SSL certificate that your device doesn't trust. :)
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] ricardomega:
Not agreed.

Ref. 1 (Wiki):

This is GOOD. IT MEANS SECURITY.

Talking about universally trusted certificates... if the windows mobile since 5.1 version and other devices exchange services (like Symbian S60 devices up and others) work flawless ... our new gadgets are the one's who doesn't work ...

The partner that I was speaking are leaders on their security division product for decades.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] gymmy:
Sorry, but please point out the Apps.

1: Client side cert import for access to company websites ?

2: Encryption which is FIPS 104-2 certified

3: Group Policy enforcement

Touchdown does work, but its not just exchange email which uses certification
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] markkohfm:
Do a no wipe flash this over a 2.1 Eclair Rom.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] Docsboard:
Encrypted Email

Just moved to Android from WM, love it, has anyone got email encryption to work with Touchdown? I have the EVO 4G on Sprint, use encryted email with some users for business, but cannot get the certifcate recognized on the SD card, what format does the certifcate have to be in? Anyone had luck?
[Nexus One General] tropmonky:
Hey guys, I'm excited and confused about the car dock...

Like most people that use the phone for music in their car I'm not sure how this will work out. In the specs it says you can't have a bluetooth earpiece used when the phone is in the dock (LAAAAME).... However, I'm guessing this is because you have to pair the phone with the dock's bluetooth?

My question is this and I hope someone will know the answer.

Could I get the dock, get this device http://www.amazon.com/Wireless-Bluetooth-Stereo-Adapter-Players/dp/B002RKLWJO and not sync the phone to the dock, but sync the phone to this bluetooth device that's plugged into my cars AUX input???

If so, I'm SOLD!
[Nexus One General] tropmonky:
Well, I'll be the guinea pig here... I purchased a car dock and will report back what's possible with it...
[Nexus One General] uansari1:
Your questions are being discussed in the car dock threads in the Accessories forum RIGHT NOW. So post your question there and ask a Mod to close this thread. ;)
[Nexus One General] tropmonky:
sweet, thanks!
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kloc:
We have been getting off topic in the advanrtages of WP7 or andriod and iphone. So let's take the discussion to one thread with an all out brawl between the three :D

With the recent announcement from apple I think Microsoft will have no choice but to throw everything they have at WP7 coming out the gates in order to compete. I think Apple's annoucement of a gamer community was a real low blow and Microsoft's xbox live offering but atleast xbox live can span platforms for right now that keeps an advantage.

I agree with all of that. The more competition there is out there the harder all the companies have to work and that is always a plus for the consumer. I predict alot more out of WP7 just because of these announcements from Apple. As far as google goes, the platform is already so open what more can they add? It's about to the point where the only thing they can do is take things away.
[Windows Phone 7 General] honestgabe00:
I agree. I strongly disapprove of Apple, but this was a slick move. As far as multitasking goes; I always thought Microsoft would probably bring multitasking in an update down the road. My guess is now they are just going to haul ass and get it out with the release. But I still don;t think it will be full 100% multitasking, more like iPhone OS 4.

A big worry I have is that Microsoft will now hurry along with things trying to make WP7 better, and rush it too much. But they still definitely have time to fix some things.

I also agree about Android. My guess is that most of what is done with Android will be done through OEM's and carriers. If phones like the Droid get advertised for the phone's specific qualities, I think Android will continue to see success. Android apps are really picking up, as is the number of devs.

So yeah, when it comes down to it we the consumers will likely have a good (but with some possible pains) year.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Google have already announced that they are slowing down development of the core OS as it's stable, and will concentrate on applications. The whole point of the platform is being a showcase for Google services, and I'm sure we will not only see new apps for Android itself but also ports to other platforms.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kloc:
Well I don't think Microsoft need to push full multitasking anyway. I believe get letting some services run like how iPhone 4.0 is going to do it is a great way to do it. Why have the whole app run in the background when you just need what you don't actually have to look at run. This could be great for navigation. Still give you turn by turn in the background without have to show the map when you want to look at something else.

I don't think Microsoft will rush a broken SO out the door this time. They've come a long way and Windows 7 prove it. By far, the most complete and stable OS to hit the market for them. I bet they make sure WP7 does the same.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kloc:
I've seen some TV's will be powered by android in the future. I think spreading across platforms is really what Google was looking for.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gom99:
Well I don't think you're trending MS correctly...XP was great and stable for it's time but it was a fixed version of windows 98. Windows 7 is a fixed version of Vista. MS usually needs a meh product to build upon to actually make a good one, or sometimes 2 meh projects like IE 7 & 8...but IE 9 looks pretty good so far if they can get it out the door within the year anyway.

You could make the arguement that the precedessor of wp7 is the Zune though...but MS is bringing that Zune experience and intregrating it with phone services, it's a way bigger conceptual step than 98 -> XP or Vista -> 7. We'll see how this all plays out as far as stability is concerned though.

That much is obvious...it's google's business model...produce free stuff, get people to use it...get as much data as you can from the user through their auto-opt-in policies to better target you with Ads. TV is a good market for google to target custom ads to users. But it's this same philosophy that causes me to dislike Google. However, I think that I'd preferr if Google showed me commercials I'm interested in rather than just watching whatever crap commericals the networks felt like showing me...but that's way way in the future, when set-top boxes are more just internet DRM'd devices.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kloc:
I see what you're saying. What I'm trying to put across is that MS is realizing that usability and fluidity is what the market is going towards and away from strict functionality. They are focusing more on ways to make sure programs released for their OS work better because usually when software doesn't work now a days especially on a phone OS the user contributes it to being a bad phone and not just bad software. I think they understand this now and are going to make it happen right out the gate and not have to learn from past mistakes like they did with previous platforms. Of course they'll have to add on to WP7 in their next iterations and we will probably say that's what WP7 should have looked like to begin with but we will continue to say that to anything with an update that adds features. I liked Vista when I used it more so then XP and now I like 7 even better. As long as they are taking strides forward I'm a happy camper along for the ride.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Spike15:
I love it when people who have no idea what they're talking about, try and talk anyway.

1. There were three versions of Windows between Windows 98 and XP: Windows 98 Second Edition, Windows ME, and Windows 2000. Windows 2000 was an exemplary OS, Windows 98SE was a good OS (9.x kernel made everything it touched subpar imo), and Windows ME was a pathetic OS.

2. Vista was fine. The only reason Vista was terrible was because people plugged XP (XP was NT5.1, for reference) drivers into Vista (Vista was NT6.0) and then gnashed their teeth when the OS didn't work properly.

Major kernel revision, you should be praising M$ that the drivers worked at all.

And then there was the fact that Vista was a very forward-thinking OS, and the average consumer-grade hardware at the time wasn't built to maximize Vista's potential. Once your hardware was adequate, Vista out-performed XP. Sure 7 is better than Vista, but that's not the point.

3. IE8 is a good browser. I use it on some of my PCs, and I have no complaints. Obviously there is some issue with standards compliance, but IE8 is a step in the right direction. If the web developers know how to properly take advantage of IE8's doctype sniffing, it's very close to standards complaint. There are a few things it doesn't implement, but for the most part it's pretty good.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gom99:
Sigh, if you're going to insult me at least do it correctly.

Windows 2000 was a replacement for Windows NT so it was more business related than general consumer related. Instead of Windows 2000 replacing Windows 98 they released Windows 98 2nd Edition. Yes Windows ME was supposed to replace 98 but it was a failure, but that's just another one of MSes blunders on the way to XP.

XP united the fragmentation of the 2000 line and the ME line. But yes, I guess you're right XP was built from things they learned in 2000, failures of ME, and things people liked from their flagship consumer product at the time which was 98.

Vista bombed because MS didn't coordinate well with driver manufacturers and it was a buggy launch. And it was a fairly big shift from XP, the shift from vista to 7 is less significant, vista drivers tend to work fine in 7 where as that's not the case in xp -> vista.

Also Vista was a fairly bloated OS. It's memory consumption of core services was higher than windows 7. I can't even imagine Vista running on a netbook.

Vista eventually became a pretty good experience a few months down the line, but it's reputation was sown in, and it was still bloated.

The differences in browsers isn't as significant to the time when ie6 became very dated and things like opera and ff were clearly better for a time. Things are a bit closer, but IE8's javascript support is pretty lacking if you look at benchmarks.

ie9 looks to be much faster than ie8 and it's adding more hardware support for GPUs. Also if ie9 adopts Pivot's zooming scroll bar, that will be an amazing feature.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Spike15:
Windows 2000 was the beginning of the end of Windows 9.x. Sure they released ME after 2000, but 2000 was really the end of Microsoft's dedication to 9.x (as evidenced by ME's performance...).

The only reason that it took so long for the market to shift was because driver manufacturers were deeply entrenched in 9.x and didn't want to develop for the new model that NT presented (which was a lot more restrictive since Windows NT was actually a proper, multi-user, hybrid kernel operating system rather than a single-user, monolithic kernel operating system which allow most (all?) drivers to run in kernel mode.

Windows ME failed (or, at least that's the story) for roughly the same reason. It was an attempt at reforming the Windows 9.x driver model, but instead people just stuck Windows 98SE drivers in it.

I've seen quite a few consumer desktops that were sold with Windows 2000. They're not so plentiful, but they exist, and most of the people who had them swear by them.

There's not really much different between XP and 2000.

While what you're saying about driver manufacturers may be true, I disagree that Vista was a "buggy launch". I replaced XP with Vista (64-bit at that!) the moment it went gold, and never looked back...never had any serious problems with performance or compatibility either.

Now, I have to quantify that. I was running a new PC that was relatively top-of-the-line with hardware from big name manufacturers. Therefore, the driver support was good and the hardware was of the calibre that Vista was designed to capitalize on.

I ran Vista until Windows 7 RC, and in that time had 4 crashes:

3 BSoDs from nVidia drivers (graphics drivers still run in kernel mode... : ( )

1 full system lock-up from a hard drive crash (!)

You can't blame those on the operating system.

I'll admit that I'm psyched about IE9 -- Microsoft looks like they're fully throwing themselves behind their browser for the first time since IE4 or 5.

As for IE8's JavaScript benchmarks, I don't consider poor benchmarking (and I'll admit that it's poor benchmarking) a lack of support per se. It's still lamentable, but IE in general has a lot more compatibility code than other browsers...trying to maintain/achieve standards compliance while still fully supporting "quirks" mode...

-_-
[Windows Phone 7 General] gom99:
Well I don't know about beginning of the end, since it was meant to run parrallel. Originally they wanted 2000 to replace 98, but it wasn't "there" for consumers yet, so it just replaced NT.

And the differences between 2000 and XP have to do with the consumer items packaged allong with XP as well as full support for things like gaming and such. Since XP was the merger of consumer and business users.

Even with a top of the line computer if you had the nvidia chipset on your mb, getting Vista at launch was not a good ordeal. The nvidia chipset is no small isolated chipset either. Not every single hardware configuration failed, and some machines did have a good experience with Vista at launch. But a significant portion did not, which cause a bad stigma for Vista.

On top of that, it took significantly more memory just to run a barebones version than XP. I forget the hard numbers, but I think Windows 7 takes half as much ram as vista did.

IE9's success will be determined by how quickly they can release it. Firefox is already working on hardware acceleration too. IE is playing catchup as far as javascript, html5, and css standards are concerened. But if they can get that worked out, and get their hardware acceleration worked out. Extra features with a more pivot like style, and get it out of the door by the end of the year, they'll have a really good product at a really good time.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Spike15:
I had an nVidia chipset, as I had in most of my PCs up until my last one (Intel chipset -- core i7 x58 system), and I had no problems other than those specified.

I think that with operating systems like these though, the first major kernel revision obviously is not going to do as well as the second. With the first you have a major change under the hood, and the end user doesn't really understand why they can't just stuff in their old drivers and be good to go.

Plus, hardware manufacturers are still learning how to properly code for the new model.

Once the second revision comes out, everyone has it figured out. It's not really a fault of the operating system manufacturer, but more a necessary evil of the way things work.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gom99:
http://arstechnica.com/hardware/new...it-paints-picture-of-buggy-nvidia-drivers.ars
[Windows Phone 7 General] Jamoflaw:
M$ didn't coordinate with Driver manufacturers?!?! Come on!! It came out in beta MONTHS before the OS was even released ANYONE could download and try it. The manufacturers are lazy, simple. Is it no surprise that W7 has taken off, because the drivers for vista dont need much change so therefore manufacturers will do it but a large kernel change and manufacturers twiddle their thumbs and blame M$.

I used Vista for years and never had a problem.

Back to the phones!

In order of greatness

Android > iPhone > WM6.5 > WM6.1 > WP7

:p

Android has the best mix of features with eye candy, and WM6.x is... well... windows 3.1 on a phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kloc:
You're putting the iphone that high really? Why do you like it? It's fluid sure but its like a fisher price toy in terms of what you can do with it. It's a program launcher with apps. The next release does look better with all the things they are adding but as of now it sucks if you have any ounce of nerd in you.

I'm not sure where WP7 sits as of now because it's not out yet but I've used Android and I currently use WM 6.1 here's my line-up.

WM 6.x>Android>iPhone
[Windows Phone 7 General] gom99:
You have to preface that ranking saying "for advanced users". Even just looking at the side-by-side they have on engadget...wm 6.5 dominates that considering that a few of their "facts" are just taking into account wm 6.5 stock.

But I do like that the iphone added some nice features, even though some of them are hypocritical, but that's apple for you. From what Jobs was saying, I thought Folders were too complicated, and people just liked swiping their fingers through 100 applications.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
I wouldn't put iPhone > WM6.5. They're different, though iPhone keeps getting better, WM6.5 not.

Android, of course, beats them all.

Android >> iPhone = WM6.5 > WM6.1 = WP7

Since this thread is going too off-topic, I want to have my own, for my comparison. See here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=6132000#post6132000
[Windows Phone 7 General] ilmar72:
A fixed version of win 98 ?? They dont even run the same file system. They are so different. XP was built off of 2000
[Windows Phone 7 General] Spike15:
"Multi-user" and "hybrid kernel" would've been the two biggest changes I would've selected for "they don't even [...]", but to each his or her own...
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kloc:
I'd have to go with you on that one. Win ME and below use hybrid 16/32 kernal while NT+ uses 32. That's a pretty significant change.
[Windows Phone 7 General] angel18:
You could make the arguement that the precedessor of wp7 is the Zune though...but MS is bringing that Zune experience and intregrating it with phone services, it's a way bigger conceptual step than 98 -> XP or Vista -> 7. We'll see how this all plays out as far as stability is concerned though.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Crimson Lotus:
Thread Created: 8th April 2010, 03:14 PM

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