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[XPERIA X10 General] Vin87:
You can configure it using the 'Email' program.
[XPERIA X10 General] Flamso:
Yeah.. That doesn't work... It was set to never check automatically and I set it to every hour. But I still get email about a minute after they land in my inbox at Gmail. :(
[XPERIA X10 General] nihonjintaylor:
I turned off all syncing things (timescape, gmail, moxier etc) I had twicca running though ^^;; and I put it on airplane mode. The phone lasted the whole night only going down 2%!!!

I'm thinking I'm coming closer to finding what's keeping it from sleeping fully :)
[XPERIA X10 General] Vin87:
I put the phone on 2G for a night instead of 3G. That made no difference, I lost 20% of charge in a night. Can't wait for the .16 update to come available in the Netherlands!
[XPERIA X10 General] nihonjintaylor:
an update. I turned off wifi, Bluetooth, and GPS and all syncing and after several hours it slept like it should. I turned on moxier mail and it'd drain like mad. I turned that off, (making sure to close it with taskiller) and used the basic Google sync and it continued to sleep like it should only going down a few percent in sleep mode. once I've installed the screenshot thing I'll. show the battery rate I've been getting.

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[XPERIA X10 General] jojedk:
My lang is in Danish so I will try to tranclate it to english

In settings->Datasync... there you can disable Gmail sync
[XPERIA X10 General] Flamso:
I do understand Danish though. ;) But thanks!
[XPERIA X10 General] Jksukino:
hey, at first my battery wasn't all that great to but after some tweaking its really getting better but now i'm getting sick over the fact that moxier mail is keep turning itself on but i havent even touched it and never used it before.

and auto-terminate with some app doesn't work because it keeps going on.
[XPERIA X10 General] Flamso:
Well, I did a factory reset and now the battery is MUCH better! I don't sync mail with Gmail anymore and that helps quite a bit too. :)
[XPERIA X10 General] Jksukino:
mm ok, well i turned that off to but will do a factory reset tonight then. :)

its not that i'm not unhappy with the battery but the fact that these apps i don't use are eating it away which means that by terminating those completely would improve it even more.

just hate the damn things messing up my app menu while i never use them.
[XPERIA X10 General] Flamso:
Yeah. I agree. And it's not even possible to remove Moxier. :( We'll have to wait for a custom ROM, I guess.
[XPERIA X10 General] boo6:
A root will solve this problem. :-)
[XPERIA X10 General] Jksukino:
not really sure what that does.

wanna keep it as original as possible but being able to remove those would be nice
[XPERIA X10 General] telnet05:
I have seen some improvement after 3-4 charges, but it keeps draining without any reason or doing anything. Keep closing all the apps with task killer. Also phone idle and phone sleep keep eating the battery most.
[XPERIA X10 General] roanmy:
I chrged mine al last night (think it's the 6th charge).

So far today I have listened to music about 30min, talked a little and sent a few messages and a few quick web sites.

It's now on 88%.

think this is pretty good. I've found that with average usages, which is a little more than what I listed just now, it lasts for two full days, then it needs a re-charge.
[XPERIA X10 General] Jksukino:
mine is just loading all this crap in the back while it's idle... i know that when these are shut down the battery will hold 3 times longer but can't seem te find the answer on how to do that.

task killer will only kill them for a few seconds :(

next to that i've no complains.
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
@jksukino

Try downloading a startup auditor - I've just found one for ($0.99) on the market.. I've been having the same irritation on mine.. hoping this help to cut out some of the crap I've got no plans on using!
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
Hi - Do you think it's Moxier? I've not set that up on mine - but I noticed that it does keep self starting.. I've just installed a startup auditor and have set it to prevent moxier from self starting or starting on reboot.. Or is your suspicion with the general sync'ing features? I'm syncing now using Gmail sync rather than SE sync. I'm spending way too many late nights mucking about this this!!.. My wife's HTC Legend has lasted about 4 days without recharge... !!! (although she doesn't use it much....)... my X10 drained over 30% last night even in Aiplane mode... I hope that between us we can get to the bottom of this..
[XPERIA X10 General] Jksukino:
well yes, i think its moxier to. i also have some startup auditor but moxier keeps getting on while i have never used it.

besides that ive no sync's on except se sync, so unless i use gmail it won't sync.

but there are quiet some apps that startup unwanted. i think those are the problem.

if i find i way i'll post it here :)
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
Hi -I've set moxier mail to not start on startup and also set it to not allowed to self start at anytime... I've also switched the phone off and on.. been half an hour now and moxier hasn't yet self started.... fingers crossed?!
[XPERIA X10 General] Flamso:
Where did you do that?
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
the startup auditor I downloaded is called "Startup Auditor".. vesperanovus.. when you select an app you have 2 options - one is "Startup disable" and the other is "Keep Disabled".. I selected both for moxier - and a few others too!. (Browser- cos I'm using a different browser to the default one; Maps - only disabled on startup - cos I can't see any reason why it's needs to load up when I don't need it!).. and PICO TTS (I actually don't know what this does.. but doesn't seem to have caused me any problems!)
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
Sorry.. meant to say "By Vesperanovus" - The author of the app.
[XPERIA X10 General] RBMaurice:
I've been using this crap for a couple of hours 2 days ago and what I found out is that it's actually a task killer which automaticly kills some tasks as soon as it boots and auto checks some processes don't start again.

Than I came past TaskPanel and found out it basicly did the same thing better and for free!

Btw, it's true the battery get's better over time! Mine went out after 10 hours the first couple of runs and now has 40% left after 10 hours :)
[XPERIA X10 General] LadFromWales85:
For the first two days of the X10's life with me, the phone didn't leave the house.

First day, left phone in house off charger, gone for 12 hours, come home to battery at 5%. Timescape configured, K-9 Mail.

Second day, had installed Startup Auditor and 'Keep Disabled' Moxier, gone for 12 hours again, come home to battery at 70%.

Bearing in mind that both days, WiFi was enabled as was Bluetooth, and mobile reception here isn't brilliant.

On another note, my X10 charges terribly slow when using the charger that came with my Nexus, despite being able to output a higher current. 1.5A iirc vs only 700mA on the SE charger.
[XPERIA X10 General] nihonjintaylor:
Here's a chart of what I've been testing~

and the effect?

So far here's what I've got.

Phone won't fully sleep if you have the following on. The battery will continue to drain if you have the following on even if you're not using it.

Wifi

Moxier sync (sync has to be on, it doesn't appear to drain even if it's running in the background)

General sync settings -> auto sync

The phone will retain battery if you're not using even if the following are active.

3G

GPS

Sync with google (gmail)

Twicca

I have anything that syncs turned off at the moment and will continue to turn things on one by one and will log it here - once I have a pretty decent list I'll write a little guide to hopefully help people get better battery life.
[XPERIA X10 General] Flamso:
Woah! Great info! Too bad that I send about 2-3000 texts per month. That drains a bit of battery. :D
[XPERIA X10 General] nihonjintaylor:
True :p

But at least it won't be draining while you wait for someone to reply :p
[XPERIA X10 General] Flamso:
Haha, yeah. If only it was that easy. It takes 20-30 seconds at most. But I have the battery from my X1 to help if I need some extra juice. :D
[XPERIA X10 General] HYPERTUNE:
Yeah, good job nihonjintaylor. That's the sort of info we need to sort this issue out.

BTW, nihonjin & taylor don't really go together. What's the story :)
[XPERIA X10 General] yanlun:
I got the same battery problem as well....

I wanted to buy HTC Desire originally...

But it is not launched in Taiwan...sign....:(
[XPERIA X10 General] Vin87:
Looks great, which firmware do you run on the X10? .14 of .16?
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
@Nihonjintaylor

Are you using JuiceDefender or Ultimate Juice - What settings do you have? I'm wondering if that's preventing my phone from sleeping too.. as it will keep comms (APN/ MMS/ Wifi etc) switched off according to it's schedule.. ie.. mine was set to 1 minute in every 5.. ?? Thanks for you're great work so far!..
[XPERIA X10 General] tuxStyle:
@nihonjintaylor> can you please check wifi settings to see if somewhere is an option do disable the scanning (network discovery ... or what is the name on android)?
[XPERIA X10 General] Flamso:
Lol. I started my phone about 7½ hours ago. With 100%. Now it's on 45%. BUT! I've played music through my bluetooth-headset for 5 hours straight and have talked for about half an hour. So my battery is definitely improving! BTW, I did a factory reset like two days ago. Maybe that has something to do with it?
[XPERIA X10 General] ShadowFlare:
Listening to music through Bluetooth for 5 hours + half hour of talk time and used up that much battery, I say that's pretty good. I'm still playing around with Task Panel, which stuff to Auto-Kill since killing everything makes my widgets to stop working.

I've just done a factory reset on my X10 due to a different reason. Somehow the last 2 days when I switch on my WiFi through the widget, it wouldn't connect to my WiFi router -until- I go into Settings > Wireless Controls > WiFi Settings. So annoying.... cause it was working fine before...

I love this phone, hopefully we can find a good solution to the battery issue. Of course I've switched off WiFi/3G/GPS/AutoSyncs/Moxier, but something else is still eating the battery.
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
@Flamso - I've not had a "Smartphone" before this one... I was thinking of doing a factory reset but wasn't sure.. presume I'd have to re-set the whole thing up again, and re-install all of the apps I've downloaded - what about apps I've paid for.. would I have to pay again? Cheers. Alan.
[XPERIA X10 General] nihonjintaylor:
Oh, it's a name I've used for ages. At the time I wished I was Japanese, and my name is taylor so there ya have it :p.

Excuse my ignorance, but just to be sure, where is that located? ^^;;;

I actually just have juice defender. And for the moment it's turned off. I've ran into a drain that I can't put my finger on >< makes me wish I had this rooted so i could easily revert :(

Yes, I have that off as well ^^; - or are you asking me to turn it on?
[XPERIA X10 General] Flamso:
Yeah. But there are backup-apps for that. :) And I'm pretty sure that paid apps is connected with your account so you can re-download them!
[XPERIA X10 General] tuxStyle:
I was hoping it was ON :P on your tests while the wifi was active and connected to an AP but if you had it off, it doesn't matter.
[XPERIA X10 General] Vin87:
Thanks for the quick reply. It's located over here:

Settings>About phone>scroll down:

Build number: R1FA014 or R1FA016

Thanks!
[XPERIA X10 General] Moominking:
I have the R1FA016 version and took into account everything that everyone has said on here and the battery life is still rubbish.

Will small firmware updates really improve matters or do we have to stick it out till the X10 is updated to Android 2.1
[XPERIA X10 General] Super_Bob:
I think it could have a lot of effect, just with manually shutting down different apps can cause a huge change in battery % drop per hour and I've only had it a week! I think we just need to play around and get comfortable with it ourselves and also wait for updates that are comming before we make final judgements on this issue :)
[XPERIA X10 General] ShadowFlare:
The 'firmware' you want is the numbers under "Baseband Version" in the "Settings > About Phone" page.

Mine's a 1.0.14
[XPERIA X10 General] Vin87:
The Desire runs 2.1 and barely gets 24 hours out if it either with normal use. The 'problem' with these smartphones is that you have these huge screens, which are always connected to the internet. If I get 48 hours of use out of the X10 I'll be satisfied.
[XPERIA X10 General] Trezzz:
I just :)got 2 extra batteries and a charger from ebay for $15 so I won't have to stress about the battery anymore.
[XPERIA X10 General] nihonjintaylor:
Yeah, I believe when I did the wifi test I had it off. I'll do another test later and let you know.

Mine's the jp version and it's a bit different apparently. Mine has - R1EA018 This was as I have purchased it as I haven't done a firmware update yet.

If it's the baseband version mine says 1.0.09. I've checked for a firmware update as well - it says mine is up to date...

Really? Surely there must be some program that is not allowing your phone to sleep correctly. Perhaps do a factory reset and monitor things after installing. Something you *shouldn't* have to do for a phone but one of the thorns in the bush called freedom :p

Yep. After finding it could stay at a certain percentage for hours it's given me lots of hope. So just playing around with it should be enough to find the cause^^.

Speaking of finding the cause... I believe I found the cause of my previous drain. It's either http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=657260 or the retro date widget will keep checking~~
[XPERIA X10 General] Moominking:
Ok, I am going to do a factory reset and see what happens, not download anthing, not do anything and see, when add things and see.

Thanks
[XPERIA X10 General] Jksukino:
mm

very interesting matters here. i'm kinda looking in how to root the phone since autokilling the apps al the time isn't what i want.

just plain weird that the apps keep starting up on there own.

this is my first smartphone so i'm really wondering if other phones have the same problem.
[XPERIA X10 General] bclope:
After playing with the phone for a couple of weeks now I get a reasonable battery life. I think it is the combination of several things:

1) Using an application that stops several services on startup. I use startup auditor and disable moxier services, Timescape, face recognition...etc.

2) Using an application that disables the APN while the screen is off and therefore sincyng in the meanwhile. There are lots of such applications, data on demand works for me and is free.

3) Cycling the battery a few times from discharge to full charge. This has made truly a difference.

4) Using 2G most of the time rather than 3G. (I don't have to do much, at work I'm in a dark spot with 2G coverage only).

All these measures combined, give me more than 20-30 hours of operation while at the beggining I could hadly get 8.
[XPERIA X10 General] sungrad:
i've been following this thread since the start, and havn't seen too much of an improvement on my battery life with several cycles. i've installed juice defender and the graph add on now, so gonna monitor this aswell and see how it plays out.

i did email sony ericsson a few days ago about this however, saying...

"I've had the X10 since last Thursday now, and have noticed that the battery life is really poor. At first I put it down to excitement, that I was using the phone too much, but over the past few days I've noticed that its not my usage that is so bad. I've turned off all syncing, wifi, and gps, and only sent a handful of texts, but my battery went from fully charged to 10% in about ten hours. I thought surely that couldn't be right, some app must have drained the battery, but no. According to the battery usage app. the cell standby was responsible for 53% of the drain. Considering that the device should get up to 10 hours talk time, and I only got 10 yours in standby something must be wrong here?

I'd really appreciate some help from you guys with this, as I'm loving the phone but can't really get much use out of it. Thanks in advance"

This was their reply, which wasn't exactly the most useful, explaining how to use the battery app i just referenced in my email...

"Dear Craig,

Thank you for contacting the Sony Ericsson support centre. We are sorry to hear of the issues you are having with battery performance on the Sony Ericsson X10. You can check on the handset what is taking up the battery life by following the steps below:

1. Go into Settings

2. Select About Phone, and Battery Usage

3. This shows you what is using up your battery life.

The Sony Ericsson X10 does have a large display and has many applications that require internet access thast may contribute in your battery life not lasting as long as previous handsets. However, if you feel that your batterys performance is very poor and think it could be a fault with your handset we would recommend returning it to your point of sale.

Kind Regards,

Gaynor Gray

Sony Ericsson UK Customer Services"

very helpful.
[XPERIA X10 General] sidneylopsides:
Interesting read.

My X10 today has been off charge for 6h30m and is down to 59%, I'd already turned off syncs and polling, only thing that does is email every 30min.

I hadn't tried removing my Moxier account, so I've done that.

My Cell standby accounted for 41% of usage when I last checked, that seems pretty high, and the idea that it's not being allow to sleep fits.

I also noticed that when the screen brightness is set to auto, juiceplotter has it as always on 10/10.
[XPERIA X10 General] nihonjintaylor:
I think it's important to mention that for some reason sometimes even if I change something I still have a drain during sleep.

BUT

if I restart the phone with the same settings the drain is no longer present. So perhaps whatever was causing the drain continues to do so even if you kill it manually.

Something to keep in mind when you're trying things out :3
[XPERIA X10 General] Tri3Dent:
Has anyone used their X1 battery on their X10? Could it just be the new batteries need some several recharges in order to reach full capacity?
[XPERIA X10 General] sammis:
After going thru 5 FULL charging cycles on my battery I have noticed a marked improvement in the standby time,it seems to have almost doubled(About 36 hours).

I started charging when the phone reached 15% and stopped 5 minutes after the charging indicator went off.

Each charging cycle was performed with the phone in flight mode and no processes running in the background.
[XPERIA X10 General] shazan:
im lucky

i charge my phone ones and it gave me a battery of 19hrs surprised, but in the begening i have to gharge atleast 2 times a day but after 4 days its the best battey i have ever seen in any smart phone.

[YOUTUBE][/YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrWDZ_WG6rQ
[XPERIA X10 General] wang_mk:
im using my x1 battery and can say the problem still exist..

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[XPERIA X10 General] Trekster:
Something is really strange...

07-13:30 = 51%

Then I rebooted the phone

13:30-21:45 = 19% usage??????? :confused:

Me thinks i'm gonna reboot once a day now..
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
Funny that.... I got exactly the same response.. word for word... I replied with this...

Hi - I'm afraid that your response isn't much help.

I'm very familiar with the settings and such like, and also have additional apps downloaded now so that I can see where all my battery life is going (in more detail than the standard battery monitor)..

I'm fairly sure that there is a problem with something in the software on the X10.. not sure if it's the SE overlay or base android 1.6 issue... something is definitely stopping the phone from going into sleep mode - even with all of the connectivity turned off... the battery is still draining.. and it's not just me.. There are loads of comments on the various Xperia blogs about this issue...

I'm hoping for some support from the maker of the handset which I have invested heavily in.. and not to have to go out to all the blogs to search out possible causes and fixes for myself.

Yours hopefully.. Alan..

No response !!!!..
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
Hi - What's Helix Launcher do???
[XPERIA X10 General] vizier3:
had the same problem with the battery life in my X10. Changed some settings and my battery is still having 48% now and that is 36 hours since my last full charge :p

What I did is to change my network mode to GSM instead of GSM/WCDMA. That means you will not be able to use 3G. Only EDGE is available... EDGE might be slow but compare that with charging your phone twice a day.. i think it might be worth it.

Let me know if this works for you guys as well.
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
Let us know how you get on now that you've reset it... Has that made any difference on it's own.
[XPERIA X10 General] sungrad:
@im_iceman: I've just replied to SE too saying more or less the same as you. I'll post their reply here when/if it comes.

FYI: Todays Stats... 11h 55m Battery Life

29% Cell Standby (11h 55m)

22% Phone Idle (9h 7m)

18% Voice Calls (45m)

13% Display (2h 28m)

10% Android (27m)

4% SNS - No idea what this is... (26m)

This is with WCDMA on, but no WiFi, BT or GPS.

Also, does anyone know what SNS is? Not SMS, SNS. 26 minutes is a fair amount...!
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
Hi - I think SNS is Social Network Service.
[XPERIA X10 General] sidneylopsides:
Yep, that's SNS.
[XPERIA X10 General] sungrad:
So do any of you guys have that running? There's SNS Provider and SNS Cache Provider. They seem to part of Timescape, as if you kill them they start up again when you click on Timescape. Also, Timescape takes bloody forever to load if you kill them, as it must have to download everything again... which makes sense really if its a SNS cache lol.

So if anyone uses timescape, and kills tasks, don't kill these two, as this will use more battery :)

*edit* if timescape only uses 4% of the battery updating every 15 minutes, i'm impressed.
[XPERIA X10 General] sidneylopsides:
Yeah, it shows on mine.

Been looking around, on mine the biggest power drain is "cell standby" and it seems this is the same with the Nexus One and Desire.
[XPERIA X10 General] ShadowFlare:
Ok, I tried switching to GSM only, and it looks to be working.

Set it to GSM while taking note that the battery level is at 65% and went to bed for 6 hours. Woke up 6 hours later and battery is still at 65%.

So imo, it's starting to look like WCDMA is the culprit to drain the battery. Guess I'll keep it on GSM and only switch to GSM/WCDMA mode if I need to use 3G Data.
[XPERIA X10 General] ShadowFlare:
Regarding the reset, it didn't change anything, the drain is still the same. But as my previous post, switching to "GSM only" helps a ton. I use to lose 2-4% an hour while it's in sleep mode, now it's 1% per a few hours.