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[Desire General] quicksite:
Editorial #2756

Ome of the biggest things on my WISHLIST for the new & improved XDA-developers' site is LEVERAGED VOLUME PRICING for XDA-members.

Before that is possible, someone enterprising and with the skills would need to construct a database that can be fed by people uploading info about

• WHICH PHONE they bought

• FROM which vendor

• ON WHAT DATE

• FORHOW MUCH

and I don;t mean just the DESIRE. I mean ALL phones purchased by XDA-developers.com over course of each year. Without that data, it is impossible to provide an argument for why we deserve discount pricing -- and none, NONE of this bull**** pricing of standard market forces.

WE ARE NOT "standard market forces". We CREATE the market, we drive the market. THIS site especially. And it's time this whole equation gets flipped 180-degrees. Let them build their profit margins, which they are completely entitled to as this is business, not charity. But this is called VOLUME PRICING. Someone here could take a few stabs at from the gut statistical predictions: If there are daily between 7,000 and 9,000 distinct users online here at XDA, how many of those people are buying in the next month, or have bought in the past 6 months, a smartphone.

If we can organize, acquire the data, then we could start locking in IN ADVANCE, long before "hot new phones" are even known as existing in the ether by THE VENDORS as coming down the pipeline in the next 3-4-5-6 months. WE are the early adopters for WindowsPhone and Android Phones -- period. WE DRIVE THE MARKET, and based on OUR early demand, they set prices. No. Just the opposite. If we are driving demand, quit ****ing us with diverted shipments HTC, and quit ****ing us vendors with "market forces prices" when we drove your market.

We have far more consumer buying power than we exert. Far more. And it's time to properly VALUE our part of the smartphone demand equation. Without us, 2nd hand sites like engadget and gizmodo are fairly in the dark about what's the latest and greatest to come next. We should stop being pawns in this game, where all the other players, except us EARLY ADOPTERS, profit from the earliest time we create demand by expressing great interest in phones to come.

The trade magazines online sell ads based on the demand we create. And based on ads and articles, secondary demand is created by their readership.

So let's get smart, and game-change this.

STEP 1: Who will code a database with a simple front end users can access to enter this info?

I will gladly host such a database.
[Desire General] irkan:
i agree with you quicksite, .. good idea, this forum influences a lot of people on what to buy, couple of days ago there was a survey in XDA there were some questions regarding "what type of mobiles you gonna buy in the next 6 months" .. so i think those kind of information are with some admin here right now, not sure wither they are willing to expose it though.

clove had an update
[Desire General] salahag:
Wow, great news. :D

When do they usually charge your credit card? I ordered on april 7th, CC not charged yet.
[Desire General] redrazr7791:
OMFG! This phone is gorgeous :D

Letting it charge up right now...first impressions are excellent :)
[Desire General] irkan:
not sure maybe when they are about to dispatch

Lol congratz :D
[Desire General] redrazr7791:
Thanks. I tested it out with my SIM card to set everything up.

1 - The 1Ghz processor is fast...period :eek:

2 - The SenseUI is definitely worth it!

3 - Multitouch is awesome. Sent out a few texts and the phone keyboard (instead of the QWERTY keyboard) is amazingly smooth.

4 - Battery cover is a little tricky to get off. The phone is so lightweight and delicate that I was afraid of breaking it :(

No internet as of yet. I remembered that I have to switch back to my MyTouch 3G Android plan to get the internet working. Will try this out later on tonight after giving the phone a few good hours of charging :cool:
[Desire General] irkan:
try the headphones will ya :D
[Desire General] Noiz:
For anyone that is actually curious, I emailed HTC about the rogue Virgin Media branding on mine:

And here's their reply:

So, assuming that's accurate I guess it's mystery solved!
[Desire General] inkredi:
Stock Update: HTC UK have informed us today (06/04/10) that all HTC desires have been delayed until the 12-13 April affects all UK retailers.

We apologise for the delay and understand that this may cause some frustration. However as a retailer we can only go by dates that have been provided to us by manufacturers - however we will act accordingly to ensure all orders are processed immediately once stock arrives.

I wish i could find that satisfying :) but HTC UK!! U GOTTA HANDLE UR DATES BETTER FO REAL!!
[Desire General] Danners:
Devicewire were slow updating their site when the last delay was announced, so whilst it still says 7th April, I wouldn't believe it.
[Desire General] bcmobile:
Clove still shipping this week

Hell yeah! Imagine if the iPad/iPhone/iAnything was delayed a week. The Apple Cult would commit mass suicide!

Update from Clove:

:D:D:D
[Desire General] quicksite:
HANDTEC OFFICIAL EMAIL announcing delay til April 13

Yes, unfortunately, HANDTEC has confirmed the 1 week delay from HTC with new delivery date "around the 13th". I bet it has to do with the high incidence of these pink screen problems (see Sticky Thread this forum) and they'd rather pull the inventory and do whatever fixes they'd planned via firmware before sending out tens of thousands of SIM-FREE Desires.

I have to say: One week is WORTH IT if this issue is being fixed in a serious way.
[Desire General] bcmobile:
Assuming that IS the reason. If other suppliers are still getting stock on 7th, 8th and upt o 10th, it makes me who has/hasn't gone through official channels.

It's bloody annoying that Vodafone were able to get stock and already shipping!! So much for all these 'Ultimate Partners'.
[Desire General] quicksite:
I disagree completely. I am *GLAD* this vendor is being smart. Unknown whether the actually got huge inventory delivered from HTC, then HTC asked them to hold, or whether HTC just placed the hold on the original shipment to suppliers like Handtec.

I feel MUCH more confident that I will be getting this phone with all the FIXES before having to go through an RMA. I would be patient, people. This isn't a fakery issue of "they just didn't get a supply". They are an HTC Partner distributor. If anything, they are ensuring higher quality control which is good for customers.

Would you rather have the PRE-FIXED Toyota Camry or your new ordered one fixed before showing up at the dealership?
[Desire General] swilza:
I'm absolutely gutted! Have also been waiting for my pre-ordered phone with Handtec since March. How many more times will stocks be delayed? I just hope that by the time we get our phones all the problems have been sorted out.
[Desire General] quicksite:
It makes ME wonder which vendors are playing Russian Roulette with their customers. I can see HTC giving them a choice, for those who had inventory already in warehouse before HTC's "recall": "It's up to you: Go ahead and sell the units, and if a small percentage result in RMA's, that's up to you. We recommend you let us fix the problem and delay shipping".

Management at Various Suppliers with Inventory on their shelves: "F_ that! Our customers will bail and go buy from someone else. We'd rather take our chances that the rate of defects is low, and we will live with the RMAs that result."

But I could be wrong and this new additional week delay is due to -- yeah, right, Ultimate Partners getting screwed by HTC, that makes a lot of good business sense.

I say be patient, and be grateful the problem is being addressed before you get your phone. And if it turns out nothing was chnaged in the phones that ship now on April 13th, HTC is going to have a lot of explaining to do.

I'm just saying, these are Boardroom decisions because they are huge reputational issues. Right now HTC has the first of what many have called an "iphone killer" (whether anyone likes that designation or not). The very LAST thing they want is 25,000 customers complaining about pink screen all snowballing into a clusterf*!k of BAD & damaging P.R. and an undermining of their reputation. They don't want to be in TOYOTA's shoes, and they're smart to have this concern... if it is indeed the case. It BETTER be the case.
[Desire General] redrazr7791:
+1 to everything that quicksite said.

Would much rather wait another week and get a phone that has 99.9% of the bugs worked out, then have to spend a month going back and forth with HTC and Handtec getting my phone exchanged.

On a side note, Handtec should throw in a screen protector or something for those who are waiting and haven't canceled ther orders. Hey! It's a thought ;)
[Desire General] flipside101:
What we want/need/would like is an official statement from HTC about the delays , though if it is down to HW issues this is unlikely.

Just after i typed that i read this over on HTC's FB page

"HTC Support HTC Support Has No Information On The Delay Of The Desire To Our Knowledge We Expect Release Tomorrow As Planned If The Date Changes We Will Find The Cause And Post The Update"

Dam there good . so different to the Motorola world i have recently left
[Desire General] setspeed:
Can someone explain to me why these phones can't just be updated OTA, like all the ones issued by networks?

The majority will be used with Google accounts, so why can't the phones be identified when they access the net, and an update immediately issued?
[Desire General] lukaswat:
SUP UK GREETINGS FROM THE NETHERLANDS, THIS JUST CAME IN, MINE'S COMING TOMORROW:

LOL
[Desire General] Airwalker82:
That's just mean ;-)
[Desire General] w00yee:
damn.... am gonna sleep with these cute guys :D you guys are so lucky... hope they will come as expected tomorrow~
[Desire General] quicksite:
supp man, do you work for a device supplier? That is a cool set of pics!

==

Re that Facebook Page note: Well it sends mixed signals. But It's also impt to remember SUPPORT services are often completely disembodied from the mothership of knowledge... As far as HTC Mothership is concerned, they don;t want consumers to call support and start wondering "hey is MY unit defective??" etc.. So i hate to say it but I would not trust hTC's facebook support page. But i hope I am wrong. I just don;t see a corporate/marketing/PR decision being run by Support first to keep them in the loop.

As happens whenever I call up T-Mobile level 3 PDA support, the highest of the highest in food chain at T-Mobile support: they are always the last to know.
[Desire General] lukaswat:
Hehe, no. They're from CoolBlue, a dutch shop that got the Desire first in the whole of Netherlands. They apparently understand their customers, so they instantly sent out ALL pre-orders, made these pics and posted them on twitter and made a small videoreview. Very nice indeed.
[Desire General] lazarus99:
I've just ordered mine from a shop in Romania, I've sent them an email and they confirmed that they actually have it. I really wasn't expected the Desire to be available so soon, it usually takes 1-2 months until new gadgets are available here and it costs more to buy them from here than to import them from a EU country. But not this time :) I've payed somewhere around £395. From handtech or clove I would've payed £407 with shipping costs included.

I will probably receive it on thursday so tomorrow is going to be a loooong day :D
[Desire General] andy5008:
Another delay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just had this e-mail through from Handtec:

Dear Customer,

PLEASE DO NOT REPLY TO THIS EMAIL

RE: - HTC DESIRE

We have been informed at 5:30 on the 6th April that the HTC Desire Sim free release date has now been delayed, this applies to all UK Sim Free retailers and will unfortunately mean the item is not going to be shipped until around the 13th April,

Please accept my apologies for any inconvenience caused.

All information for the HTC Desire will be shown on our website using the link below, alternatively please feel free to call us for any updates.

Once again we apologise for the delay here but will act accordingly to ensure all orders are processed immediately once the items are received,

Kind regards.

Regards

Handtec Customer Services

handtec.co.uk

T: 0845 644 7727

F: 0845 230 4953

So another delay for the SIM-Free handsets... why is this when there are PAYG ones out which people say are unbranded????!!!! :confused: - I am seriously considering cancelling the handtec order and going to my carphone warehouse in town tomorrow and getting one PAYG.
[Desire General] bcmobile:
Yes. This mail has already been posted on this thread!

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=6104047&postcount=41
[Desire General] OnlinePredator:
Clove just sent me an email today saying they expect to receive them late on the 7th, and start sending them out early 8th.
[Desire General] redrazr7791:
Will do ;)

I also noticed that the speaker volume is loud. When I first turned on the phone and the "HTC start up sound" came on...I freaked out at how loud it was :D
[Desire General] 999Blade999:
Expansys have currently 35 in stock now:

http://www.expansys.com/d.aspx?i=196001

however they can rename their site to Expensive.com as it's listed for £439.99
[Desire General] ardsar:
Handtec must now have stock, my order placed on the 10th has been dispatched for delivery tomorrow. :D
[Desire General] itsamac:
I can confirm this. I received my phone yesterday and its both unlocked and unbranded
[Desire General] MasDroid:
Cool, thanks for that update.

I might return my phone (purchased from Handtec) and buy one from mobilephonesdirect to save some money.
[Desire General] mikeruurds:
Just received an email from Handtec informing me that DPD will be delivering my Desire tomorrow.

I ordered on the 6th April. I guess this means they got their delivery from HTC today :)
[Desire General] _Dejan_:
Because Im realy impatient and can't wait to get my phone Im today(cca. 6h ago) contact Handtec how looks my order :D Here is quick conversation which Im have with one of support person:
[Desire General] w00yee:
Congrats~~ that's fast. ;) I ordered on 31st. Clove finally replied to me saying it will be shipped tomorrow.. Hope that will be true~
[Desire General] Eugene's Mac:
Clove advised me as well a few hours ago that my order from the 6th will be shipped on the 14th. Cannot wait!!!!
[Desire General] redrazr7791:
HTCpedia is now starting to sell the Desire -

http://shop.htcpedia.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=445

Good thing about this, is that they will start to carry accessories ;)
[Desire General] dawmuz:
Got mine today! Ordered from Clove on the 25th.
[Desire General] OnlinePredator:
Got myne yesterday. Far too busy playing with it to let you guys know. SO FREAKING AWESOME!
[Desire General] Jaa-Yoo:
Thanks for the heads up... order placed! :D
[Desire General] Indomitable:
Yeah this is very nice - price is good and now there is a promotion from htcpedia for free international delivery.
[Desire General] _Dejan_:
Handtec update status:
[Desire General] Protac:
Desire has finally arrived in Norway! Picked mine up this morning. :D
[Desire General] NazAbdm:
ordered from Clove on April 6th... Received message today that my order is dispatched :D
[Desire General] Daanlt:
just got phone from handtec, very nice phone
[Desire General] TaIz82:
got the phone yesterday form handtec...really a great phone... but still keep my N900 :)
[Desire General] StrongOneX:
what a hell??? I ordered mine from tele2 and the stock never arrived!!!!

where did you bought it from ??
[Desire General] Protac:
MPX.no and Komplett.no got them this morning, so I ordered it from MPX. I live nearby so I could pick it up from their pick-up point immediatly after they packaged the order. :)
[Desire General] daern:
Ordered less than one week ago from Handtec. Arrived today. Lovely stuff :-)
[Desire General] _Dejan_:
How Im angry... I contact them every day and every day say tomorrow will be shipped and you will receive email with tracking nr.

I still didn't receive any email...

BTW new update on handtec:
[Desire General] Indomitable:
Handtec has stock and shipping mine is on the way to my hands :).

This morning I asked them about my order and they told me that today they ship international orders. If you have e-mail from FedEx don't worry just wait :)
[Desire General] _Dejan_:
I don't have any email from fedex, DPD(They are few days ago say me that they will send it to me by DPD) or them... Only email which Im receive has been order confirmation and email that I must fax some items because Im first time buyer(Im send it first day)...
[Desire General] w00yee:
am pissed off... Clove rp said they would ship mine today, obviously, no e-mail, no tracking number... :mad:
[Desire General] icyerasor:
I didn't receive any tracking-mail from them either. Asked them about it and voila, got my tracking code back in the reply. Mine was scheduled to ship last Friday because i pre ordered almost a month ago.

However that doesn't mean that all you guys should start spamming the support about the tracking-no. Only if you have reasonable good believe that your order should have been already started shipping, send them a mail and ask if it already has and if you can have the tracking-no.

PS: Tracking-Numbers are valid only for dpd.co.uk obviously, for other countries a country code has to be put in front (you'll be able to see this within the dpd.co.uk tracking page).
[Desire General] _Dejan_:
Yes but if they say that will ship it at evening or tomorrow and send me email with tracking nr. then I will spam/contact them again if I will not receive it(They do not ship it) :D
[Desire General] w00yee:
sorry for asking a newbie question here, anyone knows if I have to pay local tax or import tax for the Desire that I will be getting from Clove? I am in GA, US. Many Thanks! :p
[Desire General] redrazr7791:
I am going to try and answer this. I haven't ordered from clove, but I have ordered from handtec. I did not have to pay an import tax. What you will POSSIBLY have to deal with is FedEx/Customs when the unit gets into the U.S. All you will have to do is fill out a form, that they will email you, and fax it back to them. After they receive it, they will release the phone.

Handtec only charges the shipping fee with FedEx. Ordered on Saturday...had it shipped out Monday...filled out forms Tuesday...had phone by Wednesday.
[Desire General] w00yee:
Man oh man... a lot of work to do.. hope they'll just release it... Clove said they will use FedEx priority..

Thanks a lot for your reply! ;)
[Desire General] kuailan:
I ordered mine from Clove, but dont think they use Fed Ex. All I got is the tracking number from Royal Mail. Boy I am so anxious...I still havent received mine? (shipped date on 9th). Supposed to be 3-7 days. I hope it will be here tomorrow or Friday??
[Desire General] w00yee:
yeah, they charged me 28 for Fedex Priority. They said they would not guarantee that package would arrive within this month. i shocked.. Then I changed from AirSure to Fedex priority.

I think yours will arrive soon. Even it is slower, it won't be too slow I guess. Good luck!
[Desire General] irkan:
regarding the taxes, .. i dunno about US, but in my country with DHL and FedEx, ... they have to pay 5% tax on each imported product that have a value of 50$ or more, ... and of course i have to pay that 5% from my pocket eventually, i didnt get the email and "fax" thingy??? ... what is this fax for is like a form that releases you from paying those taxes or what exactly? and is it a U.S. thingy or DHL / FedEx thingy?
[Desire General] redrazr7791:
If I remember correctly it deals with the FCC. You fill out a form that explains what the device is. Like I said it is "possible" that you might get it or not.
[Desire General] pwy:
In Australia they are quite reasonable in this regard. Everything below AU$1000 (~US$930) is tax free and comes right through without any paperwork. Above that it gets nasty with a lot of paperwork, delays and 10% GST added.

So Desire is fine, no tax for us down under :D
[Desire General] redrazr7791:
You all down in Australia need to get Telstra to release their version of the Desire already. A 3G compatible version for AT&T, here in the U.S., is definitely wanted. Just not for $800 :eek:
[Desire General] _Dejan_:
Today Im receive my Desire which waiting for me at home(I must wait 4h to finish my work)...
[Desire General] crimson75:
Hi everybody,

Can somebody tell me from which internet sites simfree Desire's are available now in U.K.(%100 in stock) ???

I'm a little bit confused about the stock situations that keep changing day by day:confused:
[Desire General] quicksite:
Oh what the hell, since this thread is so all-purpose re "what's your screen look like?" etc, then I may as well post my FIRST VIDEO shot by my new Desire, tonight, in San Francisco. It shows you this DESIRE has a pretty damn good autofocus and macros lens system that handles low-light pretty well. And this was just point and shoot.... no special settings, I don't even think there ARE any settings :)

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[Desire General] Scottland:
I'm in a similar position, I think Handtec and Devicewire might have stock, not confirmed though.

Three are supposed to be stocking an unbranded (although likely sim locked) PayG for £349 from tuesday next week...
[Desire General] Indomitable:
Hi, I just received my phone - and I'm like a baby - the phone is gorgeous :)
[Desire General] w00yee:
Thank you so much for your detailed answer! Do get a better picture of how that works~ Mine will be shipped today, hopefully.

Indeed, your answer helps a lot! Should be sticked. thanks again~
[Desire General] irkan:
handtec have changed their stock status to

although they upped the price, bad for other customers, its a smart strategy for them to source stock at a higher price. even though they will have to lower it in few weeks
[Desire General] _Dejan_:
Im receive my Desire from Handtec :D

Im turn it on and do not work...

JOKE. It run great. Device have already installed latest firmware(405.4) So Im not need update it.

Im install HTC Sync on my Win7 x64 Ultimate PC and sync my calendar and contacts. Im see in contacts a lot of numbers without any name I must check what numbers are this on TyTnII Im not have it... Email accounts configured(3 pop3 accounts) only MMS sending do not work(I must check settings because APN's has been configured already)...

More info in next days...
[Desire General] salahag:
I ordered from handtec on April 13, night time! It was shipped April 14. Arrived today afternoon, April 15 to Dubai. How faster can it get! But unfortunately now I have to wait till Saturday April 17 to pick it up in Abu Dhabi :( :D ... I hope I don't get a Legend by mistake! :p
[Desire General] w00yee:
i would say that is FAST~;)
[Desire General] irkan:
wow really? .. thats really fast ? congratz :D .. did they give you UPS or FedEx shipment?
[Desire General] s0meb0dy:
I do not know if you watch news, but this one can delay overseas shipments: All flights in and out of the UK and several other European countries have been suspended as ash from a volcanic eruption in Iceland moves south.
[Desire General] mbcx4jrh:
Ahh.. the saga...

Ordered finally on 6th. Delays.. Got notification yesterday. Shipped last night. Got FedEx tracking number.

Now it's sat in Stanstead airport and indefinitely delayed due to a frickin VOLCANO.

Shall I blame HTC, Clove, or the carriers, do you think?

You gotta laugh really..
[Desire General] w00yee:
we are have a bad luck now... Mine was supposed to be shipped 2 days ago. But now, it was delivered after cutoff. and yes, that VOLCANO... maybe the phone will be 2-year-old when it gets out of that island.. T^T