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[Nexus One General] krabman:
An interesting question. I emailed MS not really expecting anything and the response I got was of the type where several paragraphs are expended saying essentially nothing. My own thoughts... tough to guess but if I had to put money down I think MS is hoping to hit a home run with winmo7 and woo users into their orbit based on among other things, its business strengths. This isnt an answer but if I am running MS I am going to get my baby out there and see how it goes before I decide to enable office users to stay on android if they choose.
[Nexus One General] linuxluver:
Android phones have one HUGE advantage over any iPhone: You can swap in a fresh battery or replace a dead one with no hassles.

Right now, all over the planet, millions of iPhones are suffering from failing or dead batteries.....or are about to.

You should HEAR the moaning and wailing from iPhone owners, out of their warranty, who suddenly find that to get an iPhone with a working battery they have to swap their unit completely for a refurbished one from their telco....or have a battery installed by a 3rd-party who can't guarantee a working phone at the end of it. In New Zealand, for example, Vodafone NZ pass this to a 3rd-party and for an out-of-warranty iPhone quote a price of between NZ$419 and NZ$1000 for a replacement unit with a fresh battery. You need proof of purchase from Vodafone NZ or you're on your own.

For this reason ALONE I can't see why any sane person would buy an iPhone.

No wonder we don't appear to be able to get our collective head around climate change......we can't even understand the implications 18 months out of an expensive cell phone you can't change the battery for.

People are really DUMB.
[Nexus One General] linuxluver:
Nexus One "General"

This is the general forum. The discussion is about the competitive position of the OS that runs on the phone.

General forums exist to allow the conduct of wide-ranging and perhaps tangential discussions about the main theme. In a "General" forum, we're still on topic in my opinion.

Any other forum.....no.

If we start talking about how great universal health care would be or who won the Indy 500......THEN we're off-topic.
[Nexus One General] jasrups:
Hmm I was under the impression an iPhone battery replacement "only" costs $86 (link). Of course that's still a ridiculous price for a battery.. That is one huge hardware advantage Android (or any phone for that matter) has over iPhone but xManMythLegend makes a good point, from a software standpoint OS 4.0 has rapidly closed the gap. It's taken Apple way too long to incorporate basic features into it's arsenal (MMS, video recording, copy & paste, multi-tasking etc, etc) but better late than never. iPhone OS doesn't do as much as Android but what it does do, it does pretty damn well and I think most people can admit that.

OS 4.0 isn't revolutionary by any means but it's definitely a much needed step in the right direction for them and hopefully it's release will push Android to develop big things with their 3.0 iteration. The new iPhone will be a massive hit IMO (whether it's justified or not), we shouldn't hate on it but rather embrace it as something that will help drive the competition. Hopefully Google/Android can one up them with their response.
[Nexus One General] dan1431:
My biggest complaint with APPLE and the iPHONE (which is a fairly capable device, with an almost bulletproof OS) is that if I want to develop an APP for myself, I would have to pay for the SDK.

With ANDROID, I can write an APP for myself without having to pay any additional monies. This is the biggest advantage IMHO to ANDROID and why I choose the NEXUS ONE over the iPHONE.

Dan
[Nexus One General] faraz1992:
Do we have to pay for iPhone SDK?? :confused:

:eek:
[Nexus One General] Paul22000:
I'm guessing you have never used (or seen?) Sense UI?

Exchange integration up the wazoo. :cool:

I'm willing to bet Verizon's Incredible has Sense UI on it for this reason. It'll be aimed at people who want to DO things, and actually be productive, which goes along with their whole DROID DOES theme.
[Nexus One General] Paul22000:
Haha. I have this friend who has an iPhone and wanted to make an app for it. For months and months he tried to figure out a way to start developing on his PC, since that's the computer he had at home.

After a few months, he finally gave up and purchased a mac mini for $500. And that's on top of the $100 fee just for the SDK.

People forget that to develop for the iPhone, not only do you have to pay for the SDK, but you have to buy a mac too.

For my friend, developing for the iPhone cost him $600, before he could even write a single line of code!!! That's more than the cost of a Nexus One. Absolutely ridiculous.

With Android, you pay $0 for the tools, and you develop on whatever computer you want.

Apple is r#ping people left and right, but people are too blind to see it.
[Nexus One General] mythamp:
He should have tried hackintosh on his pc! I have done it to many :P Still charging money for almost anything related to apple is just greedy and that is why I have started to dislike it. I was a huge follower when apple was an underdog against MS, now it has not only caught up but busted bill in his own monopoly game.
[Nexus One General] krabman:
I have used it on winmo, not on android yet. I am going through the roms one by one and seeing what they have to offer. I need bluetooth so the sense roms have been waiting for that to join the party. The reading I have done says that sense is a step in the right direction but not fully functional either.

Keep in mind that I am not saying that android sucks or any such thought. I think its great. Enough so that having researched it thoroughly before buying in I did so anyways knowing up front where I would be now. Right now I am using two phones because while I can work around it that work around is enough hassle that its easier to keep my winmo phone in action for the time being. As I said in the first place its my thought that moreso than any one big thing android needs refinement. I believe that refinement is coming as it matures and one of the refinements it needs to be fully competative is its support of business/corporate users. As I use it is the one area where its functionality is lacking to the point of making it untenable for some. I recognize that this only speaks to some users but I suspect some people here would be surprised at just how many people do need this and that number is growing, not decreasing.

For some exchange is all that is required for others they also need to use standalone outlook on the local level. For many neither of these things can happen through a third party or its servers. Myself, I can already use the exchange well enough to get along but I must also connect to a local install of outlook to get contacts which are kept seperate from exchange for security purposes.
[Nexus One General] Paul22000:
He did try a hackintosh over the months. He could never get it to work; I think installing the SDK tools checked for validity or something. So that's why he broke down and just got a mac mini, the cheapest mac he could get. But still $500...

Still pretty ridiculous and again one of the huge draws of Android. Get the tools for free and use whatever OS you want. Apple is all about locking you down to their ecosystem.
[Nexus One General] jz9833:
+1 to hoping the next update adds outlook sync.

Mobile office is the one and only thing I miss about WM phones. I can see why some people might think this is a deal breaker because outlook sync and being about to read and edit word and excel files while on the go is useful.

Once this gets fixed, android won't have any more major flaws in my opinion.
[Nexus One General] krohnjw:
You can edit word/excel it will just cost you a few $$ (15 USD to be exact).
[Nexus One General] jz9833:
which program are you refering to? I've tried a couple of the paid office apps, They were pretty awful also
[Nexus One General] tamanaco:
There is a need for a "future" application from "Google" to allow Android phones to sync the calendar, contacts tasks and notes from Outlook. Not wanting to be “exclusively” on one side or the other (WinMo/Android) because I own a Winmo Smartphone and want to buy an Android Superphone. But for business, I have to depend on WinMo because of the Desktop Outlook <-> Smartphone sync and Exchange push mail are requirements. Not my choice... just what the company I work for uses and supports. I'm already half way there with the Android support for Exchange. I just need the piece that will allow me to work with my Desktop and Superphone PIM applications independent of the Exchange server. A lot of folks are in the same boat. We don't want to use one set of tools at work and another set of tools at home. Who has the time?

Business users are "reluctant" to jump from Desktop <-> Smartphone sync (MS long standing Model) to Cloud <-> Smartphone sync (Goggle's Model) because the "existing" third party applications to help them make the transition are not secured or robust enough. Most serious businessmen won't trust their critical business data to unproven applications and to vendors without long standing reputations. Google with its deep pockets, development arm and with its secure and robust infrastructure make it easier for business users to trust their business and personal data to them.

Given that the PIM applications in the Android phones and in the cloud are Google applications, it makes sense for them to provide Outlook (MS Office) business users with the application(s) to help them migrate their business and personal data. A desktop application to make the migration to Google's platform a breeze. Once Google has the data on their platform it will be much easier to wean these users away from the Desktop and Outlook. Google can build the confidence of business users on their cloud and eventually help them break the umbilical cord.

MS currently has their pants down as it relates to Smartphones... Google right now is a viable mobile platform option with Android and the Nexus One... But if Google waits for MS to put their pants back on... the market will once again be further segmented when WM7 and WM7 Phones come out. The Nexus One hardware (snapdragon, AMOLED Touch Screen... etc) will no longer be differentiators. For business users Windows will be the safe bet. This is a situation "similar" to when Linux got started and tried to make inroads in the Desktop market. Since it didn't play nice with the MS platform and MS tools from the beginning... it was wounded on arrival. People use tools not operating systems. The vast majority of businesses users still use MS Office not OpenOffice or Google Docs. To give these tools a better chance to succeed the user's "data" has to be on the platform where they reside.
[Nexus One General] logger:
I see the need. But my only hope, if they implement this, make it an optional addon. The main reasons I got my Nexus (apart from the cool hardware) was so I could use the google apps and not have to deal with Outlook in any way shape of form. I hate the all encompassing nature of Outlook. Not Powered by Talkatap.
[Nexus One General] tamanaco:
I hear you... but the beauty of Outlook is that it allows you to manage your PIM data AND email using a single interface efficiently. The data in the PIM applications are interrelated... You want to meet someone (contacts) at a certain time (calendar) to talk about the sale (notes) for which you need to bring the presentation (task) and notify all the involved parties to be there on time (email, calendar and contacts). I can accomplish all of these within Outlook. The data in these PIM also have hooks (APIs) to all the other MS Office tools like Word, Excel and PP. Also remember that Google is looking to be "all encompassing". They'll love to migrate everyone to their suite of tools so that they can gain ad clicks. Their business cloud model is to provide the applications for free and support them with ads... MS application cost a lot of money, but you get no ads.
[Nexus One General] krabman:
Just as on your puter you should be able to go both ways as you choose. There is no reason why these things cannot peacefully co-exist. I dont think anyone is advocating that google should abandon its business model or PIM applications.
[HD2 General] tommy96814:
so i was using the cleartype app and if enabled the home screen text gets jagged. it is smooth if cleartype is disabled. also where can i get the app for landscape mode with cleartype?

on tmous hd2.
[HD2 General] samsamuel:
Funnily enough i was browsing for reg keys related to cleartype just 20 minutes ago, and i came across this

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\GDI\ClearTypeSettings

has a Dword value named OffOnRotation with a value of 1

try switching that to 0. ( i dont have a landscaped rom, so cant test it)
[Desire Themes and Apps] hungabunga:
There must be loads of good widgets out there so please list your favorites.

I have

weather

htc Messages

htc email

default home screen

Wi-fi, gprs, gps toggles and favorite apps

Calender

bookmarks

I did try a rss widget but couldn't get it to work, was trying to get it to read the desire section of xda.

Sully
[Desire Themes and Apps] EroThraX:
I use:

Home Screen:

HTC Clock widget with weather

Single row HTC Calendar

1st Screen to Right

HTC Search

Single row HTC News

Single row Android Music

HTC Bluetooth, GPRS, Mobile Data and Wifi toggles

2nd Screen to right

HTC Twitter

3rd Screen to right

HTC Bookmarks

2nd screen to left

Facebook for Android

3rd screen to left

HTC Photo Album
[Desire Themes and Apps] Phil750123:
This is what i use.

Home screen:

HTC Clock,

people, messages, market, internet

1st left:

facebook for android,

battery meter,

phone volume switch( vibrate)

( Any notes using colour notes)

2nd left:

htc calender (big)

3rd left:

htc mail (big)

1st right:

link to lots of programs i use regulary.

e.g. camra, msn, photos, settings, etc..

2nd right:

power board ( wifi, gps , bluetooth etc..)

music small

youtube small

3rd right:

HTC Bookmarks
[Desire Themes and Apps] HoneyBeFly:
I use;

Home Screen: Clock widget, 8 apps (Maps, Internet, Market, Camera, Messages, K-9 Mail, Calendar, People)

1st Right: News widget (full screen)

1st Left: HTC Calender widget (full screen, not the monthly one)

2nd Right: People widget (full screen, 9 favourite contacts)

2nd Left: Wifi/Bluetooth etc widget, WeatherBug widget (as the HTC Weather widget cannot identify my location) and 8 apps (Facebook, Movies, cab4me, Photos, BodyFitness, YouTube, WaveSecure, Shazam)

3rd Right: Bookmarks widget (full screen)

3rd Left: HTC Music widget, 4 apps (go!Lyrics, ShopSavvy, Places Directory, Last.fm)

I like the look of HTC Messages widget but IMO it's slow and accessing via app is faster. I used to use HTC Mail widget but it can't seem to access SSL encrypted email account so I use K-9 mail instead and it pushes my emails (I think).
[Desire Themes and Apps] mklass:
why not start a screenshot thread?
[Desire Themes and Apps] dakrizma:
gr8 job

copy-paste :p
[S740, S743 General] Altern8:
Hey,

What are the game choices out there for the s740?

Cheers
[S740, S743 General] grahamkdt:
What?

The Rose is running Windows Mobile 6.1 Standard OS... search Google and you'll find a million and one games and apps for that platform :rolleyes:
[HD2 General] embabatu:
I miss my old HTC TyTn II after jumping over to HD2. The word suggestion feature which enable my mobile to even remember words l have used no matter in which language is completely missing in HD2. The XT9 is damn hopeless and confuses my writings. l use a norwegian OS but write mostly in english and TyTn II remembered and suggested words in both languages based on what l start writing and not assuming l am making mistakes.

Can anyone tell me if l can get back that feature in HD2?
[HD2 General] Kalavere:
The word suggestion file on the HD2 is called 'eT9MyWords' and it can be found in My Device/Windows. If that is what you are refering to. You can add and delete words as you wish from there.
[HD2 General] embabatu:
No thats not what l want. want the system to suggest to complete words and not suggest new words. TyTn II presented me with 3 different suggestions to help complete what l am writing in SMS or epost
[HD2 General] Kev007:
just switch from ABC mode to XT9 mode on your HTC keyboard
[HD2 General] tkalli:
I use the ABC and get complete word selection.

Settings>Locale and text

I don't use xt9.

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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] axelTP2:
Dear all, I'm new to this forum and I'm looking for your qualified help.

I bought a short while ago a HTC TP2 with WM6.1. and I upgraded it to the WM6.5. using the original HTC ROM software. Before the Easter I've been trying to send several greetings sms to my friends, discovering the very limited sms capabilities of the TP2 (compared to my old Nokia N70) :-(((

1. I'm searching for a software application to install on both PC and TP2 to allow me typing SMS on my PC and sending them through the TouchPro2 (something similar to the Nokia PC Suite). Freeware is preferred of course. I've been googling for it, also doing a search on this beautiful forum, but I didn't spot anything reliable where TP2 is specified. Any good recommendation from your personal experience?

2. Actually cand someone point me to something similar to the Nokia PC Suite, does such a complete piece of software exist for Windows Mobile phones?

All the best to you all.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sirphunkee:
It looks like just using the features available in regular ol' ActiveSync/Windows Mobile Device Center would achieve everything Nokia's PC suite does
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] axelTP2:
Thank you for the quick answer. I am using Win XP, therefore ActiveSync 4.5 is on the table. (I am unpleasantly surprised by the limited and decreasing capabilities of the AS 4.5 compared to much older versions like 3.7, but that's another story.)

Anyway, I am not aware of such a strong feature allowing me to type sms on my computer using the ActiveSync interface, therefore could you please give some details about this? I guess that I need more than that in terms of software and that's why asking on the forum. Thanks.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sirphunkee:
That's not a part of activesync natively, I was just covering everything I saw listed as a function of the Nokia PC suite...I didn't see that SMS was part of that.

I know there's a number of apps that will allow you to SMS via an ActiveSync'd TP2, the only one I happen to recall off the top of my head is Jeyo Mobile Companion. When I get home this evening I'll see if I can turn up any of the other ones I've run across. Jeyo's product is great, but not free.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sexkgp:
I'm not aware of any such software available for TP2, though it seems Samsung has developed a similar ( like Nokia PC Suite) for the Omnia B7610 based on Active Sync, I'm not aware though if it will work on our handset.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] axelTP2:
Sirphunkee, I was editting the post to give more details about the OS in use and about sms and probably that was the moment of your first answer. No harm done.

Thanks for the hints, I will see what Jeyo Mobile Companion can do. Of course other alternatives are most welcome.

With these limited sms capabilities of TP2 I feel like having 2 left hands :-((( Preparing a new sms one doesn't even get a view of the contacts list to click on the target name, but has to type the name. What about if having 5 or 10 persons to send to? Unbelievable unconfortable and unfriendly.

Sorry, the bitter comments are not addressed to you, but to the software designers which did not put themselves in the user's shoes.

Thanks for your open minded support.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sirphunkee:
No problem :)

And we'll gladly add your opinions about how SMS is lacking on winmo to the pile that's already accumulated around here ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] akashastrega:
Group SMS does not text from the pc but it DOES allow for mass sms. Also it is not free. That said, I use it to mass text people and it gets the job done nicely...you simply set up groups, check off the boxes of those you want it sent to, type your text and send.

http://www.handster.com/skb_group_sms_and_scheduler_52_best_selling_sms_application.html
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] axelTP2:
Thank you akashastrega!

Yet I am a bit confused as you mentioned that Group SMS does not text from the pc, but, following your link, at the bottom of the page it says Skb Group SMS and Scheduler 5.2 does a PC application. May be there is a new version, if so I'll be most than happy. Also HTC TP2 is not shown in the Compatibility devices list, may be the list is old.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] camell0ndosequis:
Not really .. I admit that I do miss the ability to send SMS/MMS from my PC thru my old Nokia. PCSuite also allowed you to view/delete your messages on your PC, selecting which you needed to keep and which could be discarded. I honestly expected some kind of PC software to come with my TP2 and was disappointed to learn AS was the answer.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] axelTP2:
Thank you for the hint. I installed the Samsung New PC Studio v 1.4.0 for Omnia, it looks nice and similar as functions to the Nokia PC Suite, but as expected it does not recognize my TP2 phone as connected (USB). A matter of drivers I would say, but how to solve it? Thanks anyway, I forgot that Samsung put on the market WM phones.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] axelTP2:
I fully agree with you. All the major phone manufacturers are supporting their phones with a free PC Suite, I am disappointed that HTC didn't cover the WM phones. Active Sync is a very poor solution with very limited features. I know there is a HTC PC Suite for the G1 nad Hero Android phones, but not for the winmo phones.

Btw, I wonder if anybody asked HTC about a PC Suite for the WM phones, with TP2 in particular, and what was the HTC answer?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] akashastrega:
This is a newer version from what I have, which did not have pc linking...apparently they have changed that, but to what extent I do not know. I run version 5.0 on my TP2 without any issues and it does a fantastic job!! I am pretty sure that if an older version runs good on my TP2, this updated version will work just fine.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] axelTP2:
Hi again. These days I managed to install and test both the Jeyo Mobile Companion and the Skb Group SMS and Scheduler 5.2. Both are nice and doing what they are supposed to do, but I consider the Jeyo Mobile Companion more user friendly, looking closer to the Nokia PC Suite I am used to and therefore more appropriate to my needs. So I will buy this one. The only drawback is that is doing only sms and not mms, but is good enough for me for the time being.

Thanks everyone for the good advice.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Garza:
Sending Bulk SMS through TP2

You can enter multiple recipients manually or create a group where you add members and send bulk SMS like that. You can also search (or scroll if you don't want to type) through your contacts to add them to an SMS. You mentioned that you are not able to do this.

Can you tell me what limitations you've discovered in TP2's SMS?

Just curious.

Thanks!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Thresher:
I have been using PowerSMS and My Mobiler to bulk sms from my phone via PC. Although I do have a bit of lag when typing, but that may be the Fuze vs TP2.

Also, Google Voice can do this for you too. I won't get into the setup needed but you can bulk sms from that interface.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] agrickard:
I've used Efficasoft mobile Express (free), but since upgrading to latest 6.5 ROM, I'm having a problem with SMS remaining in 'outbox'. I have emailed them and they're working in a fix.