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[Windows Phone 7 General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
i know that MS didn't invent the funtionality. But what i don't understand is that you take samsung as an example. HTC did this with their i.e. HTC Hero having Facebook and Twitter integration. So if you really want to show that MS is late, then you should take the right examples. Samsung is really not the company which should be named when it's about innovative mobile features.

i tried it, and i never bought a samsung device besides my nexus s which i got a few weeks ago. It's pure android, otherwise i wouldn't have bought it.

bad example, because integrating ONE service (in this case of course an MS service) is not what it's about. honestly i have to admit though that i used WM devices since the HTC Magician and i never noticed that...but that's probably because i never used live messenger on my phone...

you say it later yourself. it's not about integration of one single service...

i would say it was revolutionary in what it did too, because in the past the manufacturers weren't that open to use multiple services APIs and integrate them. (of course both sides need to be open in this regard). contact linking was nice, but not flawless.

Not true. Other platforms were not integrating multiple other parties services. You can't compare their offerings with webOS. Yes, technically they integrated a service, so yeah palm didn't invent interfaces (and my guess is that neither MS nor BB invented interfaces too).

The User Experience is one of the strong points of webOS in general and not only something regarding synergy. Palm and HP both defined synergy as integration of services on their websites. Having a good user experience only adds to the value.

of course you can't argue about tastes, but you can say that WP7 is worlds more consistent than samsungs UI work...you know what i thought of when looking at that linked movies first? windows mobile. the small ugly icons, the overly filled screens. It screams windows mobile UI on every corner, and this is a bad thing. still i don't have any problem with other people liking that. ;)

looks != usability. WP7 has great looks AND great usability. It has it's flaws too, but MS did a really great job with Mango.

did you check the recent iPhone sales figures?

agree. they deserve a lot of credit for this.
[Windows Phone 7 General] HertzVanRentals:
Based on Social Hub for Bada 2.0, which I had on my Wave for a month or so, it wasnt all that. It was still beta software, but it was slow to update, and whilst it did collate all strings as it should it didnt do so with anything different looking to an RSS reader. And you couldnt follow links from it :confused:

Useful as an overview, but I still preferred the dedicated apps only for functionality, as opposed to presentation.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
wow, haven't been on this side of the forum in a while and y'all are still trying to reason with n8ter???

Isn't that the definition of insanity?

Mango looks great. Would be happy if windows phone released a lte version, but since verizon is not real keen on WP, that probably won't happen anytime soon.

Also, saw a video on verge of windows 8, looks great on a tablet (caveat being the tablet had an intel I5 in it).
[Windows Phone 7 General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
why? yeah he likes the samsung UI which is a hint of insanity ;) but other than that the conversation was ok...
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
I can follow links from Social Hub in my Vibrant, since day 1. I guess the bada version is just ****, then.

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That's just his way of trolling.

He doesn't like Conversation. He only accepts Pro-MS Chearleading.

Unfortunately.

If you want to continue conversation about these aspects of the OS[es], you're free to PM me.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
FriendStream is quite nice. Looks pretty if that's what you like.

Serious question. Why do people brag about integration, but still use official apps?
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
FriendStream is HTC's take on it. They are better at software than Samsung, but worse at hardware :P It's a trade-off.

@ Your question: Because they both accomplish mostly the same thing, but the Integration stops short of a few things. No native integration for Direct Messages and Facebook Offline Messaging, No Support for Video Hosted on Facebook. Some of the Advanced features of FB and Twitter aren't supported. Power Users (people who use FB a ton, and people with multiple Twitter Accounts or who use Twitter a lot and do tons of stuff on it) are better served by the 1st party apps or even alternatives like Seesmic and TweetDeck.

People Like me who use Twitter as a Glorrified RSS Reader and only follow their "Real Friends" can get 90% of what we need done via the Social Hub and "Send To" features on the phone.

Of course on Android even the Native Apps are able to integrate pretty well with the system. Things are different on WP7, but I expect that to improve as time goes on.
[Windows Phone 7 General] OndraSter:
By giving up the locking, the system would have to do way more in terms of security and file operations (like scanning for music always rather simply creating one XML file with the listing upon new downloads through Zune) than now and it would be slower.
[Windows Phone 7 General] DeepRed89:
i think that now, android is the best platform ever...
[Windows Phone 7 General] elessartk:
I do not think microsoft care about wm7 much because they have everything to make os leader
[Windows Phone 7 General] mikroland:
It's called Window Phone 7 not Windows Mobile 7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
Why is this thread sticky?

Why is this thread sticky?

This thread provides completely outdated infromation and a large portion is just a bunch of bickering.

Windows Phone 7 does have less apps, but there are tons more than 10.

Mango is nearing deployment to all window phone 7 users.

With Mango comes background processes (live agents).

There are hundreds, if not thousands of apps.

Side loading has been poosible with just a couple simple hacks (reg edits)

Post 1 chart might not have had color, but it clearly was written with the intent to make android seem better, while trying to appear objective. I as a windows mobile user at the time of the post and would not have considered Windows phone 7 at the time. Insurance sent me a Windows Phone 7 (LG Quantum) as a replacement for my Tilt 2. I can honestly say that it is quite nice to not need to tweek everything to make it easy to use. It is a very well thought out user interface.

I really think the whole thread should just be deleted. But at least made not sticky would be a start.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vetvito:
^ its to keep people from posting the same stuff over and over.

Your welcome to update it if you want.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
No desire to maintain a thread dedicated to the bashing of Windows Phone 7 with pre NoDo as the basis. Especially with the emminent release of Mango.

This thread might be better recieved in the Android section, since the OP is clearly an android fan.

Really no point to this being a sticky post with such outdated info.

I'll have to double check, but I don't think the OP has posted in about a year.

Besides, I already maintain post 6 in both the Raph Energy Rom and the rhodium Energy Rom threads. Someone else can take this.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Then Start a new one with updated information. You want me to do it? I'd probably be a bit more detailed than you.

Then again, you'd prolly just say it was useless and call me an Android fan, right?

EDIT: Nevermind, I don't think I'm up to do this.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
I honestly thought that I would not like Windows Phone 7. I was planning to take the leap to Android from Windows Mobile 6.5. Insurance replaced my Tilt 2 with an LG Quantum around the beginning of this month. They gave no other option. I actually debated with myself for a while whether I was even willing to pay the deductible to get it. In the end, I decided to go for it, since I am still ellibible for a discounted upgrade in January. I have been very happy with it. Granted, it already had NoDo on it. But it is a very smooth, well thought out, and consistent operating system.

Virtually every so called "short coming" has a viable workaround.

Until a person has actually tried and used this, it is easy to think the phone is going to be horrible. Especially with android fan boys bashing it.

I've used Android on my Tilt2. It wasn't bad. But it requires tinkering to make it be what you want.

Windows phone 7 does not require tinkering.

Look thorugh the forum, see how much I supported the tweaking of Windows Mobile. See the threads in those sections that I have started and supported. I never thought I would actually like Windows Phone 7, but I do.
[Windows Phone 7 General] hardcoreplur:
I also left my tilt 2 for a quantum, and I bought it the first week it came out, I never looked back. Just wait for mango (or don't ^_^) it gets better. Mango smooths every thing about the OS including 3rd party apps, it feels like going from a single core to a dual core with only updating the OS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] phihung07:
just trying out Lg quantum after my HD2 broke down, i like WP7 smooth and fast, thanks for info
[Windows Phone 7 General] virus975:
i had the hd2 since it came out and tried (windows mobile 6.5) , (android 2.3.4 nand) and (wp7 nodo) and (wp7 mango)

for windows mobile 6.5 I only loved the gps softwares and the available maps these were amazing

for android it was really good all apps available for free and many games however after using it for long time it gets really buggy and started to hang and many system errors occurred so every while i need to format it also another annoying thing apps just start by themselves you must have a taskmanager in order to control them and the battery just goes out so quickly

with wp7 nodo it was a new experience cool system however I couldn't manage to stay with it more than a month and that was due to a problem with the hd2's version. However, when a stable version of mango was released to my beloved hd2 then it was a whole new different experience I must say there is a freakin' huge difference between the nodo and mango I mean now i call it a perfect phone with perfect os. no flows everything is absolutly smooth and wow i never thought someday i could be able to play 3d games (like Tentacles) on my hd2 which had only games like bubble breaker :P:S

dunno why android fans always bash onto windows phone 7 it is really a great system oneside only is the gps but it is getting better each day with apps like garmin.

also i want to clarify that im a professional user so dont tell me i didn't know how to use android i do c++ programing and always dig everything in phones

and for iPhone i just couldnt stand it. dunno why but it just felt so small and dull for me. but I must say it has many quality apps and games which is a key feature and it is stable enough as I think the stability of a phone is the most important thing that anyone should consider.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ROCOAFZ:
You forgot to tell them the unstable and current mango was never ment for the HD2 as it was a windows 6.5 phone. The HD2 actually runs mango slower then the newer phones... The releases stated above was from a team that ported the Windows phone 7 to a non windows phone 7 device. Nodo actually was completely stable on current phones with original releases as is mango which still does give some big performance improvements.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
All thanks to the WP7 community, who asked for these ports and even went as far as to post in a lot of threads that the HD2 running WP7 was as good as running it on a Native Device (Search is your friend).

These hacked up ROMs are an issue for both OEMs/Companies like Microsoft/Google as well as App Developers.

You never know how your app will behave on these ROMs devices, any update can break the OS on those devices... There are a ton of people leaving negative reviews/ratings in the Zune Marketplace or Android Market because an app doesn't run acceptably well/at all on their HD2 with WP7/Android on it. It's pathetic.

If you still have an HD2, you should be eligible for an upgrade by now. Go get a new phone running the OS Natively.
[Windows Phone 7 General] NickWKent:
It all comes down to which phone is the best fit. WP7 was the best fit for me, but not my friend. It's not the end of the world. It's why we have choices.
[Windows Phone 7 General] menisck:
I like my MP7.

The iOS is very is very bad compared to him
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sk8rjwd:
I really love WP7 more than I do any OS. It works so smoothly. The only other real contender is Android, but it is buggy and crashes. WP7 is getting closer to all the functionality of Android though. Once it reaches that point, it will, without a doubt, be the best.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
After using wp7 nodo and mango for a while one big issue is the startup time of apps. It's way slower than on Android. Hope that mango multi tasking will remedy this.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
It will remedy it somewhat. The big issue I have with the multi-tasking is how the back button brings you back into apps, when it's so easy to hold down the back button to get to the interface, anyways.

I don't really care about the start-up time of apps. It's the quality and quantity of good apps that depresses me most. Microsoft (and developers) really needs to get on the ball with that. Microsoft hasn't really updated any of their apps to Mango compatibility.

Also, they're introducing a Category system among other changes to Hotmail, but I'm not sure if we'll be able to take advantage of those form the email client... Time will tell.
[Windows Phone 7 General] species5618w:
I just moved from a LG Optimus One running Android 2.2 to a LG Quantum running wp7.5 Mango. Initially I was blown away by the smoothness of WP7 (granted, the Quantum does have better specs). However, after about a week, I start to miss my Optimus One terribly.

There's no background wallpaper.

Small tiles v.s. large widget.

Tiles don't update much (my weatherbug tile still shows yesterday's temp).

No side load apps.

Can only wake up the phone using the hard to press power button.

No full screen mode for browser.

No text reflow, find on page, forward in the browser.

No shortcut to shutdown wifi.

No Cisco Leap Authentication.

Can't create playlist on the phone (other than now playing)

Can't drag and drop files onto the phone.

No SD card.

And the list goes on and on. I still like the OS, but the lack of customization and homescreen UI just bug me. I paid less than $100 for my Quantum, so overall I still think it's worth it, but I can't see how I can justify paying the $500 original price for it or any of the up coming phones. The OS just feels rigid, much like the iOS. It's a shame really since the OS is so smooth (it's not just the speed, also the more polished animations).
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
The weather bug sucks. The Weather Channel app works much better. I've heard that the new version AccuWeather works well, but have not tried.

Run the mfg app to unlock the registry editor. Then you can put your self in dev mode and side load apps all you want.

Browser should go full screen automatically. I've read complaints from others about not being able to see the address bar.

There's a pinable app to control wifi. Download from App Store.

For what purpose do you need to drag and drop files on your phone. You can email them or use SkyDrive. SkyDrive integration is awesome, especially with the camera and automatic uploads.

I was a major windows mobile tweaker with the Rhodium and Raphael with Energy ROMs.

When is the last time you actually swapped SD cards. Most phones did not let you use 16 GB or larger. Most, if not all Windows Phone 7 devices have at least 16 GB of storage.

Not sure what Cisco Leap authentication is, so I can't comment there.

Once I got over that I have a phone to use, and not to tweak and customize, the lack of UI customizations quit bugging me. And the fact that there are virtually no accidental or incorrect presses because of the way the Tiles work and the size is really an advantage.

1 bug bothers me. For videos, audio does not play over bluetooth. i am confident that M$ will fix this.

No WiFi Router app. Not a big deal. I used it about 3 or 4 times in the last 2 years, but it was a huge help and cost saver on those times that I needed it.

Programmers can actually provide ways to let you customize the tiles. I just got back from the Twin Cities Code Camp. Devs can change the image of the tiles. They can contain transparencies. And they can provide ways to let you select the image. But the app must be made to let you do this.

Kind of like the photo tile gets it's image.

Doing something like the people hub is not possible for devs though. Only M$ can do that.
[Windows Phone 7 General] inshaflive:
;)......................
[Windows Phone 7 General] ishmeet:
thanku very much...great comparison :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
More excuses and useless work-arounds for stuff that should be there from the beginning.

Here's something Microsoft should know:

In NoDo, I actually used my HD7's browser more than my Android Browser because I loved the way Favorites, Forward, and Tabs were RIGHT THERE. Since Mango, I do my best to avoid using it. The user experience is terrible.

Not only do I not want my address bar at the bottom of the screen, but putting it there was useless because in almost any decent mobile browser on any platform, the address bar is only visible unless:

1. The menu is open - WP7 has those, you just click it and the address bar should just pop down.

2. You're at the absolute top of the page.

They made the browser UI monumentally worse, not better.

I hope Opera or Firefox or God knows... someone else introduces a WebKit browser or something on this platform, because the bad user experience isn't worth the trouble I have to go through puddling through websites designed for Webkit that give an absolutely terrible experience on IE9 mobile in addition to the UI catastrophe.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
What does webkit have to do with UI?
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
Absoultely nothing. WebKit started out small, then was massively developed by Apple and then Apple made all it's enhancements OpenSource. But, it's not an independant official standard, despite that fact that some other browsers use it.

http://www.webkit.org/

IE9 which is in Mango is HTML5 compliant, minus 3d canvas support.

He may as well complain that sites designed for IE don't show up properly in FireFox if he's going to complain that sites targetting WebKit don't render properly in IE9, which is HTML5 compliant.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
My Windows Phone 7 experience.

I came to Windows Phone 7 from a Tilt 2 with Windows Mobile 6.5.3 running an Energy ROM with Cookie 2.0 tweaked and configured so much better than stock. Thought my phone could not be any better.

Then the USB port broke. It would charge, but could not transfer data.

I called insurance. They said my only option if I used the insurance was an LG Quantum with Windows Phone 7. I decide to wait and think about it. Later, I called back and decided to try it. It's only a $50 deductible. I really wanted Android. Most vocal people on here bash Windows Phone 7 every chance they can. I was pretty convinced that I was going to hate the experience with the phone.

Here's the thing, most Windows Phone 7 users have very few problems if any, so they have no need to come here. The phone is extremely smooth and responsive. It never crashes. It never needs to be rebooted. NoDo may have given the upgrade process for the early users a bad experience, but the Mango upgrade was painless.

The ony things I miss are:

configurable snooze times for the alarm. (plan to write my own app for this.)

free wi-fi tethering (very rarely used)

video blue tooth audio. (just kind of annoying. I shouldn't play videos while driving anyway)

Integration with social media is excellent. Sky drive integration is great. My location is virually instantaneous. Battery lasts all day with some to spare.

I'm confident that M$ will fix the blue tooth audio for video files.

It's not perfect, Zune needs some improvements for app browsing. SkyDrive needs better folder manipulation for photos, like the ability to move more than 1 pic at a time. But you can always transfer them from your computer to your skydrive into the folder that you want it to be in.

In the end, this phone performs better than I ever would have imagined. And now that Mango is here, we should start seeing much more powerful applications.
[Windows Phone 7 General] amaric:
Skype and Teamviewer...that's what's missing a lot!
[Windows Phone 7 General] velvet_man:
Wow, that list makes me lean more toward Android. I was originally leaning toward WP7 for my next device.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lovesazu:
thanks buddy
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
I assume you are talking about the list on the first post. Keep in mind that was from April 2010. It's very inaccurate with regard to the latest Windows Phone 7 (Mango).
[Windows Phone 7 General] Jola66:
I picked up my first Windows Phone yesterday after a year and a half with the Android Incredible.

I read how people were excited and happy with WP7 so I wanted to give it a try.

Its gonna take a bit to get use to just about everything on the phone.

Here are my biggest gripes so far:

1. IE browser is a bit slow and unfortunately there are no browsers in the Marketplace that are really much better. Android has several to download,

Dolphin HD for example gives you such a fast, efficient browsing experience.

I hope we see something like that on WP7. I really am surprised how slow it

it is to load a page, even on WIFI. Now it doesnt take that long, but after being

use to pages loading fast with Dolphin HD for Android, it makes it seem very slow.

2. No Flash. I thought I read a year ago, Flash was coming to WP7, but here we are nearly into 2012, and no Flash. So many websites use flash, and not having it really gets annoying and dampens the browsing experience. You could view, watch, listen to nearly anything using an Android phone.

3. Apps. I am hoping the recent Unlocking news will help increase the number of great apps as there are so many apps that just plain stink and not enough apps in general.

And many of the apps are not free. With Android, there were so many that were not only great, useful, efficient and constantly updated, they were FREE.

Over here on WP7, most apps are paid apps. Not only are your choices slim, but things you could get for free on several apps on Android, they charge you here. They have every right to charge for their app, and I dont mind paying, but I guess I am a bit spoiled now after Android. But I also am not going to pay for an App that should probably be free and an app that quite frankly sucks at what its suppose to do.

Im sure there are more, but Ill stop there. All that being said, I may try and stick it out with my new Windows 7 phone. I am hoping for better things and major improvement in the future. Time will tell.

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I did want to add one thing. Its simple and not THAT big a deal but ....

Custom Ringtones. I am not a programmer but can it really be THAT DIFFICULT to make it where you can use nearly ANYTHING you want as a custom ringtone?

The size limit of 1mb is just ridiculous, having to change the Genre tag is silly. The whole process is just a bit of a pain.

If you cant get that right out the gate it makes me question the future a bit. Something that should be so simple ...