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[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
My phone seems to be sleeping properly now when the screen goes off.. I deinstalled Juice Defender (Ultimate!) as I don't think it made any difference - if anyone have evidence to show otherwise.. please share!..

I have set my Wifi Sleep policy (Advanced Options, under wifi settings menu) to sleep when screen off.. have now got hotmail forwarding all my mail to Googlemail and this works on push so the phone doesn't have to go and fetch it (i didn't know about this until today!!!!!)

Used my phone quite a lot today wifi on for 58% of the day and active for 25% of the day.. reduced by 40% in 10 hours.. so 4% an hour.. and with a lot of active use.. I think that seems pretty good..
[XPERIA X10 General] bimmerboii:
ill do it again as you suggested and will report back tomorrow
[XPERIA X10 General] saltorio:
I'm using Advanced Task Manager to kill background apps every 30 minutes, and manually whenever I feel the need. Have a number of apps in the 'exclude' list, but most are essential services (I think) or widgets and apps I would like to keep running (like JuiceDefender).

I've also got Startup Auditor installed and running, with the following apps set to be killed on startup and kept dead:

Email - I use the Gmail client instead

Face Recognition Service

Messaging - I use Handcent instead

Moxier Mail

Sony Ericsson Sync

Between these, JuiceDefender (with UltimateJuice), and turning off auto-updates on most everything other than email (and not using Timescape at all), my battery life seems pretty good, though more testing is needed. In any case, it's far better than the 5-15 minutes of battery life I was getting from my old iPAQ if I tried anything like listening to music or surfing the web.

One thing I have noticed is that Maps keeps running on my X10 (in the background), and I can't figure out why.

Also, what is sonyericsson.learningclient and is it needed?
[XPERIA X10 General] Jksukino:
@ saltorio if i where you i'll shut down juiceDefender. i think it has some glitches because when i disabled it my battery lasted for 3 day's in stead of 1
[XPERIA X10 General] ratheen:
So after 8 re-charges i get about 14-16 hours of use. i have GPS on, for when apps want to use it, i have 3G preferred, brightness to automatic and full data sync, Gmail is set to auto with background data enabled, and my timescape set to 2 hour refresh.

the battery drain is about 6% per hour average for the entire power cycle.

the strange thing is, if i put all the services off (data off GPS, 2G and not 3G brightness to 20%) and i restart my phone, i still get the same battery drain. there is no improvement.
[XPERIA X10 General] saltorio:
I'll disable it and see if anything changes on my JuicePlotter power usage graph.

My problem is I keep playing with the phone, downloading and trying new apps, playing games, etc. I have added Timescape to my Startup Auditor's kill list though, as I've determined I don't really like/have use for it.

Is "location over wireless networks" a major battery hog? Just wondering.
[XPERIA X10 General] ShadowFlare:
It's not really a hog but it does trickle out some charge off your battery but it's not really noticable.
[XPERIA X10 General] Flamso:
My phone has been on since 0600 today. Now it's 2315 and it's on 60%. The only thing I've done is not using it. :p
[XPERIA X10 General] Belazor:
After hearing what others said about JuiceDefender, I decided to run some tests:

87% @ 20:39 - JD turned off

77% @ 22:22 - JD turned on

69% @ 23:38 - Control

68% @ 23:58 - JD turned off

58% @ 01:47 - JD remains off

JD Off:

10% in 2 hours

5% / hr

JD On:

8% in 1h

I had it set to turn APN on for 15s every 3 mins because I run eBuddy in the background, other than that settings were stock for an UltimateJuice setup.
[XPERIA X10 General] Flamso:
I don't even have JD on and JuicePlotter says that I've lost 46% in 20h. Much much better than losing 95% in 10h like I had before. lol
[XPERIA X10 General] habs101:
As i posted over at howardforums for the canadian version of this phone

As per the following site:

http://www.sonyinsider.com/2010/01/22/sony-ericsson-xperia-x10-battery-life-revealed/

it states this

with such low times in talk time compared to sites like GSMARENA that when u look up the specifications it states other wise.... with such low times dont expect to get much juice at of this phone for anything else.

start talking and using it for communication and u'll see the battery life drop
[XPERIA X10 General] hubchatillon:
Few things to get better

Hi, just thought I had to post my experience on how to get things better!

After reading all those posts in the thread, I did the following:

1- I turned off "Location / Wireless network" which was on for the "Settings profiles" app and managed to have it working a different way with same result. I setup the app to turn on and off settings like wifi GPS, BT, data sync, ... only when needed

2- I set my wifi policy to turn off when screen is off.

3- No JuiceDefender installed, doesn't seem to help anyone!

4- Installed TaskPanel 2.1 (Free) which kills a list of apps every time the screen goes off or the phone enter the sleep mode. You can set some exception (+ a widget exists to kill all apps).

And so far it seems to be a bit better. I see my battery draining only when I realy use the phone to browse the web or sync data, video, ...

In the battery use information, the top 1 always there is the cell standby which use around 35%, I am wondering if SE could do something about this, there must be some system update to do to gain in battery use...

Thanks to all for your ideas and experience!

Hope this will improve a bit because this phone is just GREAT !! :D
[XPERIA X10 General] Astral07:
Can someone please upload startup auditor for me? I can't find it on the market and i didn't find a download link on google. Send me a pm or an email mastarce@yahoo.com.

Tnx
[XPERIA X10 General] klarsen:
Use TaskPanel Lite - it is a lot better than startup auditor. Tried both and much prefer TaskPanel.
[XPERIA X10 General] ShadowFlare:
Startup Auditor is an App you have to pay for and I'm guessing due to your geographical location, you have no access to certain (or all?) Apps with a price tag through Android Market.
[XPERIA X10 General] ShadowFlare:
I also used TaskPanel Lite, along with Startup Auditor.

Startup Auditor kinda a hit or miss, and I bought it specifically to disable Moxier at startup and keep it disabled. Unfortunately sometimes Moxier still managed to run behind my back and eat some battery before I realized it's running and kill it again.

TaskPanel Lite is a nice app, kills app at screen switching off and a nice widget to kill all apps.

Right now I'm trying out Adanced Task Manager (Paid App), it can view running services too and gives you the option to kill it.
[XPERIA X10 General] dubdec99:
Which is better - advanced task killer free or taskpanel lite?

gonna try both but just wondering what you guru's thought?
[XPERIA X10 General] hubchatillon:
I would recommend TaskPanel. It does the same thing than taskkiller and kills some apps automatically when the screen goes off or the phone goes to sleep mode.
[XPERIA X10 General] dubdec99:
Cheers for that
[XPERIA X10 General] Astral07:
aight, tnx for your responses, is there another app that will let me choose which services are started on startup?

or to automatically kill them on startup
[XPERIA X10 General] ShadowFlare:
Advanced Task Manager can kill services but doesn't do it automatically at startup. Configure which to Exclude from kill all, then kill all after booting is closest it can get.

Startup Auditor does kill Apps automatically at startup, but not services.
[XPERIA X10 General] hlogical:
After reading the entire thread and trying and testing several different apps, disabling certains settings, blar blar, I'd like to share what I've discovered which i suspect most of you already realise.

I did the old flight mode test last night whilst asleep having charged too 100% with no apps but alarm clock running. 12 hours later when i got too work i'm on 96% battery. Obviously this isn't much of a surprise, its still better than i'd hoped. What i did notice was

Phone idle: 96%

Android system: 2%

Screen: 2%

As you'd expect there's no mention of cell standby with all radio been disabled.

So for me its pinpointed where my problem is. Just receiving signal on my phone is what's making the battery life such a tremendous failure. Its not apps running in background although these obviously contribute. I've turned off flight mode now and in the last 15mins my battery it down too 94% with 3% already been taken up by cell standby.

I haven't got updates running from phone anywhere and i still only have alarm clock running in back ground.

What i wanna no is does cell standby include all radio? Such as WiFi, Blutooth, GPS and g3/g2. Cause if it does then i can start testing which one is draining the most. I have by default none of theses running except WCDMA only but i also had the GSM/WCDMA preferred on with no noticeable difference.

I have my suspicions that my wifi doesn't turn off properly like some other people have suggested. I only say that because even though it says its off it still auto connects me when i get home, it recognises my home wifi some how even though it shouldn't be scanning.

Any thought or comments are appreciated.
[XPERIA X10 General] cashaw:
I've given up worrying about battery life and for the past two days have left location service on, used Moxier mail, lots of surfing, downloading apps and listening to music.

When I was worrying about battery life, I was getting around 12 hours a day before recharges, since I've stopped worrying my phone has been running for 30 hours and still has 33% capacity !

There seems to be little logic around what gives the best battery life....

But a reboot directly after recharging seem to help.
[XPERIA X10 General] dubdec99:
1. Tuesday 7am - Battery at 100%

2. Tuesday & Wednesday nights before nodding off, I put phone into airplane mode with only the alarm clock app running

3. Both days, I used either advanced task killer or task panel lite to kill off apps whenever i checked the phone

4. Used the phone for a couple of calls, loads of texts, youtube and a bit of surfing

5. 11pm last night, battery was at 30% - this morning at 6:30am, battery had increased to 32% !!!!!!!!!

6. Battery now at 28%
[XPERIA X10 General] ShadowFlare:
Currently my X10 settings are "GPS/WCDMA Preferred", 2G/3G Data, WiFi, BT, GPS, Background Data, Location Services, all turned off. With this setting, if I leave it on Standby while I sleep, I can roughly determine my battery loss is 1% per 3 hours, which aligns quite nicely with your battery discharging rate.

But funny thing is, after I let the phone untouched on Standby, then I suddenly use the phone for, say, sending a couple sms, battery would suddenly drop a few %. For example last night after I woke up, I've lost 2% (50% - 48%) during my 7-8 hour sleep. Then I received an sms message, and sent 2 sms messages, took no more than 4 mins, during that time I lost 3% charge (48% - 45%).

I then put the phone back on Standby, and used the phone 30 mins later to sync my calendar. I noticed my battery has came back to 48%.... but 10 seconds later dropped again to 45%.

Not saying my phone being weird or anything, just showing how erratic the battery charge reading can behave.

Also, I've switched WiFi on and off a number of times during the day without rebooting each time. When it's on, the battery drains as expected, when it's off, battery is not drained. Well, just back to normal 1% per 3 hours if left on Standby.

I have my suspicion on GPS and probably 3G Data that when they have been used, then switched off, some of the services are still running, draining the battery. Experienced that 3 days ago.
[XPERIA X10 General] Moominking:
yeap, me too, but not until this morning about the reboot after charging. I took it off charge this morning, it was at 96%, I checked juice plotter, it had reached 100% then dived down to 90% then up and down about 4 cycles before I woke up and stopped the charging, then I went to work arrived and it had gone from 96% to 88% within half hour. hmmm, i thought, absolutely nothing was running, so I restarted it and now it has stayed at 88% for the past hour). Guess something hadnt shut down, no idea, so will not worry but just restart after charging when I remember.
[XPERIA X10 General] hlogical:
I also think the battery indicator is either some what slow on the uptake or doesn't read correctly. I had my phone on USB charge yesterday, popped off down too shops for 45 min. Left house, was on about 56%. When i checked phone half hour after taking it off charge there wasn't a change, still on 56%. But the act of checking battery seemed too have given it a kick up arse, cause 15min after that when i had got home it had dropped 6%. So no drop in half hour, but 6% drop in 15min???

Stupid phone :confused:
[XPERIA X10 General] ShadowFlare:
Maybe because USB charge is quite weak, so only trickle-charging, and something (app or service) is running and draining your battery faster than the USB can charge it. Try restarting your phone then recharge.
[XPERIA X10 General] hlogical:
Is there an app out there which will auto switch between 3g when screen is on then revert too 2g when going into standby mode. I reckon that should at least solve my problem as well as some other peoples?
[XPERIA X10 General] hlogical:
It wasn't on charge very long. I was just making the point that i think the battery was probably de-charging slowly and probably evenly its just the phone wasn't reporting it as such
[XPERIA X10 General] Moominking:
I have also noticed this, I took it off charging the other day from computer USB and it said 70% and when I got home it was 80%.

I guess these are just little bugs I can live with until the next firmware update.
[XPERIA X10 General] CharlesW123:
Juice Defender/Ultimate Juice has the option to disable the APN(data) connection when the screen is off.
[XPERIA X10 General] ShadowFlare:
I think he meant switching between "GSM Only" and "WCDMA Only". Dunno any app that can do this.
[XPERIA X10 General] hlogical:
Thats what i meant yeah. What's point in having a super duper smart phone that disconnects itself when screens off. Just want it too change connection too GSM for updates when screens off cause it uses a lot less power
[XPERIA X10 General] ShadowFlare:
I honestly wouldn't worry about GSM and WCDMA switching. I've tested running GSM only, then WCDMA only, then GSM/WCDMA Preferred..... so far they seem to not make any noticable difference.

3G (WCDMA) signal where I live, I only get 1 or 2 bars, so my X10 must be using extra power to maintain the connection. But so far, on stand by, it's only been losing charge of 1% every 3 hours.

I think I've been repeating the same things over and over again, so look up my recent posts and you'll see my settings and reasons :)
[XPERIA X10 General] Astral07:
finally, i've seen a considerable change to the better in my battery life

i uninstalled all the juice apps, auto task killers etc, maybe 5-6 apps i tried and everything just got worse...

and i installed ony task killer lite, made a kill and ignore list and 24% of battery lasted me 20h on standby while before it would drain in 1-2h

quite an improvement, horray :)
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
Hi - was that 20hours with no use?..

(PS.. That's still quite impressive even if it is!)
[XPERIA X10 General] larsmarius:
i just returned my phone for service, i have charged it 10 times and today i had a exam and i put on flymode but still it used 45 percent in 5 hours!
[XPERIA X10 General] Phantasm4489:
for you that may be true - for me I get about 1 days worth of use when running WCDMA only and about 2.5 days with when running GSM only.

Unfortunately it is not possible for applications to change this setting directly. This is why there are no apps that do so - the best you can get is a shortcut to the settings page wheret this is configured.
[XPERIA X10 General] hlogical:
Thats exactly what i've done. Not ideal but at least this way I'm not actively avoiding using my phone to save battery life. Just turn 3g on when needs must
[XPERIA X10 General] uncanny:
I connected My new x10 to charger last night and the led indicator came on showing that it's getting charged, morning I woke up, led indicator was off and battery percentage shows 92%, does that mean that battery cannot be fully charged? Also, their is no way to charge the battery when phone is turned off? Everytime I connect My ''turned off'' phone to charger, it switches on automatically. I can only assume one thing that when I connected the phone to charger overnight, it got fully charged in the middle of night and charging stopped, hence showing 92% in the morning?

Sorry,I'm new to Android. Appreciate your replies. Cheers
[XPERIA X10 General] silklee:
Sorry, found the answer. Please ignore my post.
[XPERIA X10 General] hlogical:
I'm new too android too, but from what i can work out from using an app called juice plotter is that it charges itself too full, then drains too around 95% before charging again, or at least that,s how my phone behaved
[XPERIA X10 General] esoqq:
When charging and the battery charge reaches 90% the LED changes to green. Once it reaches 100% it stops charging and the LED switches off. It then seems to let the battery discharge until it gets to about 90%, at which point it starts topping up the charge again to 100%.
[XPERIA X10 General] ShadowFlare:
When the X10 is being charged and reaches 100%, it'll stop charging automatically and uses the battery from there on even if the charger is still connected. It'll start recharging again when it reaches 90%, that's what I noticed on my X10. Maybe the same applies on other Android phones too.
[XPERIA X10 General] esoqq:
If you have a file manager app (e.g. Astro) installed on your X10, you can find the files in the folder called "bluetooth" in the root of your SD card.
[XPERIA X10 General] ShadowFlare:
In addition to what I said, I do use Startup Auditor to kill Moxier at Startup (whenever the phone is restarted anyway) and Advanced Task Manager to keep killing all apps and services that I don't need. I've excluded the ones I need so they don't get killed.

That's how I get 1% per 3 hour during Standby. Oh, I use "GSM/WCDMA Preferred" mode.

I'm into my 3rd day of light usage at the moment.
[XPERIA X10 General] uncanny:
And their is no way to charge the phone keeping it switched off?

That's the wierd way for Android to charge the battery, basicially if you leave it overnight, it will keep discharging to 95% and then charging it over and over till 100%

My phone came with leather pouch, stand and extra screen protector, I already see one screen protector factory installed, but from what I see, it does not look like a regular screen protector, it's almost invisible and I think nobody should take it off, so I should just apply the extra screen protector inside the box on top of it?
[XPERIA X10 General] ShadowFlare:
My X10 always switches on by itself if I plugged the charger in while in OFF state. Also "restarts" when I switch it off while charging, that's how it is. All X10 does that.

I'm guessing the preapplied screen protector is thin and a bit flexible? Unlike the stiff screen protector provided in the box? I think the one preapplied is just a screen cover, just like alot of devices out there with nice displays. Mine X10 sounds like yours, with all the goodies.

If it's quite easily peel-able, then you should remove that before applying the screen protector in the box.
[XPERIA X10 General] uncanny:
Yes the preinstalled screen protector is very thin and perfectly installed, I don't wanna take it off :) because it's invisible and no dust underneath it, but it's finger print nightmare. I'm sure if I apply screen protector on my own, I will either get a tiny hair or dust underneath the screen. I hate applying screen protectors coz it's almost impossible to avoid dust while applying it. My x10 came with all the goodies, full package European version. I was surprised to see two extra screen protectors and a stand.
[XPERIA X10 General] OwLOwLOwL:
This charge I decided not using any taskkillers or other applications (read JuiceDefender or startup auditors)...

Directly after 100% charge I rebooted the phone.

I have BT and GPS enabled.

I use 3G connection.

I have the phone in flight-mode during night (~7h)

I have not used WiFi this charge. (This could be the bandit, as I stated previously!)

I currently have an uptime of 20h, and the battery is down to 74%. So at this rate Ill get 3 days uptime at normal use! Including listening to audiobooks for about 2 hours a day via BT headset, surfing occational webpages, using the calendar and reading ~20 mails/day.

I think that we all are overdoing it... it was probably just a matter of calibration of the battery and breaking it in... ;)

I am currently happy... :)

Regards // OwL
[XPERIA X10 General] ShadowFlare:
Hm, I only got 1 screen protector in the box... and dust slipped in while applying it. Why the duuuuuussttt!!
[XPERIA X10 General] uncanny:
You shouldn't have used the extra screen protector because the preinstalled one is a lot better and no imperfections and obviously applied by a Robo Machine in Sony Ericsson factory. You can use a scotch tape to get rid of some dust stuck under the protector, but it will never be 100% and leaves a residue.
[XPERIA X10 General] anjel-2k:
This not an Android feature. All Sony's high end product come with this feature "for example their laptops and the X1". This is a protection feature, that stops people from over charging their devices and ruining their batteries. For some of Sony's products there is no use for the 12 hour overnight charge when you initially get your device, because the batteries are not designed for this and also the protection feature will make it redundant. :D
[XPERIA X10 General] Vin87:
A small update:

After 2 weeks of use I'm now getting 48 hours of juice out of the battery, my settings are:

-NO taskiller

-NO Juicedefender

-3G is always on

-Wifi is off

-GPS is on for one hour a day

-Mediascape is running for two hours a day

-Browsing for one hour a day

-Call/Sms for one hour a day

-Making a few pictures with the camera

-Syncing mail every hour

-Some random apps (Layer, Google places, maps, just to play around)

I loose 1-2% an hour in standby and I loose 3-5% an hour when in use. This seems normal use for me and I'm pretty happy with the battery life, with the 4" inch screen and all the muscles of this smart phone every battery life longer than 24 hours is good to me.

To try the apps you guys are using I've just installed Juicedefender with:

-Enable APN for 2m every 30m

-Leave APN enabled while >10kb/30s

-Leave APN enabled while screen on

Let's see if I can cross the 48 hour mark now :D
[XPERIA X10 General] Astral07:
good work, let us know how it goes, good luck
[XPERIA X10 General] Willey1986:
I think i have found the problem.

In some other german board i read that formatting your SD-Card will increase battery life. So I tried this, but nothing happend. Same high power usage during standby. So i installed BatteryTutor from the market and watched the CPU Power usage and i noticed it was very high the whole time. No changes in standyby, flight mode etc. So i unmounted my SD-Card and watched Powertutor again. And now the CPU usage is changing the whole time, is on a very low level and never reaches the high level with a mounted Card.

This night my x10 didn't lose 1% of Battery Power, normally i lost 20-40% over night.

So I installed a Task Killer and tried to locate the process that is using so much CPU and i found "Media Storage" (in german "Medienspeicher"). Killing this process lowers the CPU Power Usage in Powertutor until it is started again.

I will i I can block this process with startup auditor and if I'm able to use my phone without it.

So plz everyone. Try to unmount your SD-Card over night and post the results here.

Sorry for my English I'm from Germany *g*