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[Desire General] rovex:
I have both a Desire and an HD2. The desire doesnt win the battle all the time im afraid. The HD2 wins against it quite often and sometimes the reason is due to the OS.

Android is very nice, but its still got a long way to go to be as free and easy to modify as Winmo or as feature packed. Winmo's problem is the lack of modern APIs and hardware support. Its slow and can be ugly, but even so it often beats Android.Interface wise I prefer Winmo sense to Android sense, i also prefer Winmo sense to Android base.

Which phone is better? tough one that, i havent decided yet. Which OS? Depends on what i want to do.
[Desire General] spiderhider:
I also have the HD2 and the desire. Hands down the desire is a better more integrated handset. The HD2 has a bigger screen but that is it.
[Desire General] jayshah:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but people mainly get Android fro the raw functionality over the interface. I mean, I can use VoIP over 3G now via OpenVPN, and I'm working just routing the providers IPs over the tunnel via a root shell (+busybox). Things like that make Android unbeatable (neither have support for this kind of thing afaik). But I agree, it depends entirely on what you want to do with it as to which phone's the best for you.
[Desire General] rovex:
Well i disagree, i think to say that is short sighted. Winmo just gives you possibilities android doesnt, yet.

I would say as a phone for the general public the Desire has less minor irritations, so is a better phone for the average person, but the HD2 is probably still the better device, just.
[Desire General] FloatingFatMan:
Name three. :p
[Desire General] rovex:
Complete interface replacement. There are loads for Winmo including very android like ones, hell you can even run the full blackberry OS from within Winmo!

Business class applications. Some companies use there own custom made software that only works on winmo. Few support Android and many never will. For many this makes winmo essential and the only option.

Full file manager, out of the box, no restrictions, no rooting.

Full multi tasking. 100+ simultaneous apps can be run on the HD2, should you feel the need.

Sync, connectivity. What the hell is with Android on this front? Why cant you just dock your phone and have the SD card visible to a PC and the phone at the same time?

Wifi tethering. Yes i know its getting there on android, but on Winmo its just soo easy and fast.

Multitouch. As far as i can tell so far even though winmo wasnt supposed to have it and android now does its still a whole lot better on the HD2/Mini than it is on the Desire..
[Desire General] profet:
I've only used a HD2 for a short while, but for me the underlying, patched together, hopelessly outdated OS underneath the pretty, but skin deep Sense UI isn't in the same league as the Desire.

The Desire hasn't crashed on me once, it hasn't needed a restart, it hasn't needed me to close open programs to free up memory and it hasn't presented me with an app store (marketplace) full of poorly written, overpriced, ugly programs.

I appreciate that Winmo has been about longer, and as a result has some very specific apps that Android doesn't.

I'm all for personal preference, and you can like whatever you want, but these two devices just aren't comparable. Winmo 6.5 is dying faster than a narcoleptic skydiver. Android is growing fast!
[Desire General] rovex:
Marketplace is rubbish although we do have Omarket and of course, here! The visuals are the main area winmo lacks, but apart from that and speed, mostly due to its old WinCE base which doesnt fully support the snapdragon, its still ahead of android in many ways. Sense does a great job of prettying up Winmo. For normal use only a new email app is needed.

I know Winmo 6.5 is on its last legs, and rightly so, but the HD2 still bests the desire on many things. I think its better for videos and picture viewing. Better for connectivity, and Android still has a LONG way to go to be as free and easy to mod as Winmo, which is kind of ironic really. There are just too many basic things that android is lacking to make it killer for a poweruser. Its without doubt better for a smartphone noob or light to average user.

The experience on Winmo does seem to vary. I never need to close apps forcibly and my HD2 crashes very very rarely. I dont think I've ever needed the reset button and ive only pulled the battery maybe twice. I got mine on launch day.

I have both the desire and the HD2. One android device, the Hero, has already lost to the HD2 and been sold on.

I think the OP wants a winmo device, but one with the Desire hardware and styling. HTC does have a habit of not making consistent hardware across both platforms.
[Desire General] snapilica2003:
But if you take all the HTC customizations out of te HD2 you're left with a big overpriced touchscreen with something resembling an OS. If you take the HTC customizations out of the Desire you're left with a much better experience (see the Nexus). Sense UI is from my point of view the only thing keeping Windows Mobile alive, and that's why my last device was the original HD.

Don't compare these phones by the amount of customizations that can and are put in by 3rd parties.

Also I'm no developers but I have friends and coworkers who are, and they all say that developing for the Android is a breeze and the way Android is put together makes a lot of sense and is very very well thought of.
[Desire General] rovex:
ALL apps are 3rd part customisations of one sort or another. All OSs are customised either by third parties or the OEM. Even androids base interface is a skin of sorts. Winmos base, Titanium, also has many skins, some of which arent half bad actually. Winmo is the only OS were you can see anything like the base interface (the good old today screen), which while ugly is more functional than any other.

I agree winmo is dead, but the HD2 is its last 'fxxx you' to the rest of the market. The fact that it can sell so well and be so well regarded (outside the Apple zealot sites like gizmodo) says volumes about how good the OS can be.

I for one will miss winmo when it does down the iPhone road that is Windows phone 7. Spiritually Android is the replacement, but its still not everything we winmo users want.
[Desire General] snapilica2003:
I do agree with you that the HD2 is one hell of a phone but that's only from the wow factor of the beautiful screen and good hardware. But it still misses the AMOLED display which on the Desire is breathtaking. The ultimate phone that seems to be on everyone's lips is the HTC EVO 4G, it's the HD2 with Android, AMOLED, 4G connectivity, wi-fi tethering out of the box, HDMI-out, build in kickstand etc. If it doesn't cost an arm and a leg, and if it will pe sold in Europe that surely will be the ultimate phone (by 2010 standards anyways).
[Desire General] rovex:
You're probably right, but i would have rejected the Hero against the Touch HD as well, so its not just the raw hardware.

However about the screen. Im not sold on the AMOLED being better than the HD2s LCD. Its not just the size, its the realism of the colours. The desires screen is way over saturated, something all AMOLEDs seem to suffer from (we wont mention the pink issue..). I like realistic saturation and contrast, thats why i spent £400 having my plasma professionally calibrated to each source..
[Desire General] sh500:
Another 'each to their own' on this one..

I've had WinMo devices for the past 6-7 years now and nothing else in between (apart from a Blackberry Curve for work, which is sh*te!).

My brother has the HD2; what I can say is that the capactive screen on makes the whole user experience better. But I can't see much difference between that and my HTC Diamond that has the Sense 2.5 interface on there (!).

You are right, that there are more 'business' type apps for WinMo devices- not surprising as this is the market MS targeted up until very recently.

But, so far, no regrets moving over to Android. I've said it before in a few other posts, it needs far better sync'ing capabilities- can't beat MS ActiveSync on that one.

P.S. I think this thread has gone into a bit of a tangent; comparing the Desire with WinMo devices as opposed to what the OP was asking :D
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] rxu970:
Hi,

I updated my HTC Diamond ROM version to (2.03.831.2), however, the WIFI icon is missing (was under connection) .. only have the Wireless Lan ....

I tried hard reset and soft reset but still the same ...

Can anyone help me that how I can get the WIFI icon back or use the WIFI ?

Thanks in advance
[Desire General] timmyp27:
I've read a few reports suggesting that Orange will be making the desire available from today (Fri 2nd Apr) through its stores and possibly online. Think techradar confirmed this in a recent article.

Can anyone shed any more light on the chances of a release today?!
[Desire General] mhewitson:
Go to bed.... wake up and see!
[Desire General] Nekromantik:
I would be suprised if they did as 4 days ago the guy at orange said he had no clue when it is out.
[Desire General] IPAddis:
I rang Orange retentions at 09:01 this morning. No HTC Desire, no release date, not likely to be released later today. Just goes to show you can't always believe what you read on t'internet! :rolleyes:

What they did say is that they feed back demand to the powers that be on a daily basis so the more people who ring up and ask for a Desire, the faster it will be released. Apparently they are waiting until their stock of HTC Hero and some other handsets is used up (around 3-4 days worth) before launching the Desire but will launch it earlier if they sense they are losing out to other networks.

If anyone hear different, let us know!

Ian A.
[Desire General] fuzzmo:
Well I'm gonna head off to Vodafone once Devicewire get them in - they've got a good £25/month deal with 600 mins +texts +'unlimited' internet. I have no real faith in Orange anymore unless retentions offer me a really good deal (and based on what I had to do 18 months ago, that is as likely as me playing for the Arsenal at the Nou Camp on Tuesday - although given our injuries... ;))

Oh and one more thing that will definitely delay it with Orange - last night the released the Xperia X10 - they'll want to shift them first before the HTC Desire. I originally wanted that but now the reviews haven't been that favourable - no multi-touch (ever!!!!), Android 1.6 with a promise to go to 2.1 (presumably when everyone has gone to 3.0) - although their mediascape, timescape interfaces do work well. Hardware wise it could've been the ultimate handset - 8MP camera, 4 inch hi-def screen etc. yet only being a smidgeon bigger than an iPhone. Yet SE screw up again by releasing a handset with a version of software that is 6 months old. And given their current record of not fully supporting their handsets when they're out (extrememly slow updates, with bugs not being ironed out) I think I'll be giving that one a miss...
[Desire General] Teppic24:
Are they having a laugh? They'll releease it earlier if they sense they are losing out to other networks? OK, T-Mobile had first the exclusive to get it out first, but Vodafone have it and even bloody Virgin Media have it. Losing out to other networks is a masterpiece of understatement if VM have the thing and the supposed "best network of 2009" don't yet!
[Desire General] Nekromantik:
I doubt they will wait for them to get rid of Xerpia X10 as its the Desire's alternative option so people who dont like HTC and are Sony fans will go for that while others will want Desire.
[Desire General] fuzzmo:
Ordinarily that would be true but this is Orange we're talking about here!!!

Besides I believe they are the first to be selling the X10 so whilst they have that advantage they're gonna push that to the full. If you have a choice between that and the Desire then it fragments their sales for the X10. And let us not forget there is an outside chance of them not even stocking it all!

With the X1 they were constantly saying it was coming etc. and in the end they never officially released it (even though cpw and others were selling it on Orange plans). The X10 was listed as a coming soon phone for the last month or so, and yet the HTC Desire isn't even listed as coming soon.

It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if it never came out on Orange (esp. if they can't get their crapware onto it)...
[Desire General] Kiiv:
I'm not agree with you :D

(Ok, it's in France... Good news for us anyways :p)
[Desire General] Nekromantik:
True, I hope that dont happen tho otherwise I will have to wait till July before changing to another network as upgrade can be done early but I cant afford to buy the rest of my contract and then get a new one.

I'm not agree with you :D

(Ok, it's in France... Good news for us anyways :p)[/QUOTE]

thats good news as if its out in France I cant see why they wont be out in UK.
[Desire General] fuzzmo:
Hehe - good news for you guys but:

http://shop.orange.co.uk/mobile-pho...nvBLDTszxGDLTK1j4vwH6JG!1816178946!-514848741

Still nothing for us! For the record I reckon it will come out but Lord knows when they will announce it. The Orange PR guy said 'early April, with the black edition late April'.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/htc-desire-black-edition-confirmed-coming-to-orange-uk-in-late/

When you consider that, it is quite bizarre that officially they don't even list it as coming soon...
[Desire General] Kiiv:
Sometimes, Orange guys are not very well informed :rolleyes:

I went in a shop two days ago (Desire already were on Orange website) and the man tell me he never heard speaking about the HTC Desire... We have so good sellers in our country :D
[Desire General] Teppic24:
Well, once again I have spoken to Orqange and the best answer they could come out with was "within the next two weeks".

FFS it's typical Orange. Always the first to announce and the last to get!

I have, and I quote, been promised that "We'll send you a text message as soon as they have the handset available, so that you can arrange to obtain the phone".

Place your bets now on whether I'll actually get a text or not...
[Desire General] Nekromantik:
Yeah Orange are very bad at getting new phones in, I had this issue with the Nokia N78 and they never ended up getting it. Although that time, they had not announced they will have it while they did with Desire and its on the French website so in that way it must mean it WILL come but when is the question. They got till 14th as thats when I can upgrade ha ha but o2 not getting it till 19th and 3 till 20th so Orange got till then to be same time as others.
[Desire General] brummiesteven:
Have any of you guys considered making the switch to T-mobile seeing as how in a few months they will both be the same 1 network anyway?
[Desire General] fuzzmo:
I am - but the department that handles issuing the PAC codes aren't open today. Will be on the phone from 09:00 tomorrow to get it and then will order the T-Mobile package (£30/month 18 months) off mobiles.co.uk.

Apparently the phone isn't even in their reviews list and the bloke on the phone wasn't even sure they would be getting it!!!! :eek:

Bet i get a different story tomorrow when I finally get my PAC code....
[Desire General] brummiesteven:
If you go through T-Mobile themselves you'll get a much better deal, the are also much more reliable than mobiles.co.uk seem to be and if the phone breaks you have the added security that you can just take it back into a store for repair instead of bothering with mailing it off etc.

If you haggle on the phone you can get the prices down, I got from this:

Handset cost : £60

600 Minutes

500 Texts

Flexible Booster

3GB Internet

£25 P/M

To:

Handset Cost: Free

600 Mins

Unlimited Texts (the flexible booster)

3GB Internet

£25 P/M

Try these excuses:

- I just phoned up and was told the phone was £x (this is what I did, I was genuine but it worked, might have to phone twice as they have it on record I assume when you phoned up)

- x.com is doing a better deal

- Vodafone is doing a better deal.
[Desire General] fuzzmo:
Ah OK, thanks for the advice - I was assuming a lot of the good deals were for current customers - is your deal 18 months? I don't wish to be tied in to a two year contract...
[Desire General] brummiesteven:
No, Mine is 24 months but I see no reason why you wouldn't be able to do the same thing with a 18 month contract.

The 18 month equivalent of my plan is £30 a month.
[Desire General] Nekromantik:
I would change but like I said in previous post, I cant afford the £80 to finish off my contract till July and then another £25 a month from April so would cost me extra £80 to change over early and no point in waiting for July as by that time a new fone would be out.
[Desire General] Pumpkin Lantern:
Got my Desire on Orange via an upgrade through CPW last Wednesday(unlocked too!)

I had to wait until then to get it as CPW wouldn't release it before that apparently. Not sure if that was an Orange thing or orders from above?
[Desire General] Nekromantik:
did they give you any loyalty bonus on your tariff?? How much was the phone cost?
[Desire General] fuzzmo:
Well - went to retentions who offered me £30/month 900 mins 300 texts 500MB internet and unlimited landline calls with a free Xperia X10. To be fair that is a pretty good deal. I held off getting my PAC code as if I could get that deal with a HTC Desire then I think that would be pretty cool.

The offer stays on my account for 30 days so am I being stupid hoping that orange get their a*ses into gear by then? They also said that I could get any handset free on my account - given they are willing to give me an X10 for free I doubt if they could get away with charging me for a Desire (Desire is the cheaper handset???)

I am desperate to get the handset BUT will be patient for one more week to see what transpires...

*EDIT* One more thing - of course he didn't know when the handset would arrive as it isn't even on their website. My guess is that they are trying to get their crapware onto the phone.... But when he checked out the Desire, even he admitted that it was a pretty tasty handset...
[Desire General] Pumpkin Lantern:
The bloke in CPW said they didn't do that anymore? Was I hoodwinked?

Phone was free though.
[Desire General] Nekromantik:
Well maybe, maybe not ha ha

Direct from orange they may have got u a loyalty bonus of 10% off line rental or better deal but then again depending on who you talk to, they may charge you for the phone. I got 10 days to wait till I can upgrade so hopefully they have it by then.
[Desire General] poldie:
Orange have told me it'll be on their network in the middle of the month. They also said I could upgrade to a £20 per month contract for 18 months and get the phone for free. That's 200 mins, unlimited texts and 500megs of data. Actually, they said I could have that deal for the X10 and that because the X10 is a better phone (sic), I should get an even better deal on the Desire. Sounds like a good deal - in fact, it sounds so good (it works out at £360 over 18 months - less than the cost of the phone) that i'm expecting them to tell me I can't do that after all when the phones finally turn up!
[Desire General] Nekromantik:
at least u got a time frame but middle could mean anythin as it was meant to be out early april at first. 14th is middle of the month ish so they best get it next week as thats my upgrade date.
[Desire General] Teppic24:
Why is it taking them so f**king long?!?
[Desire General] bigf00t:
Well hopefully we'll get handsets with the little glitches all ironed out.

If we're waiting 3-4 weeks longer than everybody else and then still receive handsets with pinkish tints and poor sound quality, THEN we revolt and destroy Orange!
[Desire General] Teppic24:
Lol! I think the only reason they are keeping us waiting is because they want to simultaneously release their "exclusive" black handset, which is rumoured for the end of the month, along with the regular brown one. They are not interested in ironing out any glitches in any way.

The race is on. If O2 and 3 get the handset before Orange then I will certainly be switching to another provider.

It is an absolute joke that they couldn't wait to be the first to announce that they were getting the handset (although not the first to actually get it), only for every other provider to beat them to release. :mad:
[Desire General] Nekromantik:
yeah its annoying.

Orange and new handsets dont go together, if you like latest phones first you gotta go t-mobile or o2.
[Desire General] sp00ge:
I think there is some confusion at Orange to actually what Desire handset they are selling.

I've been on the phone to them pretty much everyday and although they don't have the Desire listed on their system to allocate to accounts, everyone I have spoke to has said they are aware of the HTC Desire Black and that it will be will be mid April.

No one at Orange seems to know that Orange (According to the press) will be getting two flavours of the Desire, the standard brown one which should be available now and the special black one which has always been pinned for mid April release.

I wonder if Orange will only go with the black version......
[Desire General] Teppic24:
That's what I reckon. It will be only be the black handset on Orange. It would, at least, explain the delay.
[Desire General] Nekromantik:
They said black would be on sale end of april so that wud be a long wait and a bad thing for orange as by then all networks exp them will have it and those wanting it will move to other networks to get it sooner.
[Desire General] sp00ge:
That is the situation they are already in.

It's weird but over the years I've experienced that Orange don't really care.

I think we are in the minority wanting phones like the desire when the average Jo is ringing up and asking for the latest Nokia / Samsung / iPhone.
[Desire General] Nekromantik:
Yeah, my sister was like whats HTC :rolleyes:

She said I should go for IPhone as everyone has it as it as its the best :eek:

like thats the reason people are buying it.
[Desire General] IPAddis:
Orange retentions have the Desire in stock NOW

For anyone following this forum, see: http: //forum .xda-developers .com/showthread.php?t=659483
[Desire General] timmyp27:
Just spoken to upgrades as mine is due, no HTC Desire stock, and they didnt know when it would be available...... :confused:
[Desire General] IPAddis:
Hmm. :confused:

It did sound a bit good to be true. Perhaps an HTC Hero will turn up instead. I'll keep you posted tomorrow.

Ian A.
[Desire General] skanj:
Its definitely out peoplez! Just ordered mine through retentions.
[Desire General] timmyp27:
Yes! Spoke to a different person and handset coming tomorrow! Sweeeeeet!
[Desire General] Nekromantik:
OMG!!

I hope they dont sell out by 14th!!!!

I cant do anything till then :(
[Desire General] timmyp27:
I got 400mins, unlimited sms, unlimited email and internet, 50 photo messages, orange sat nav for £30pcm on an 18month contract. £49 for the phone. Delivered for free tomorrow! It best be there!!!!
[Desire General] Nekromantik:
thats standard Panther tariff, you tried to get a better deal out of them?? Like free phone for line rental discount.
[Desire General] skanj:
I'd ring em back mate, i got same as you but free phone and im paying £25 a month..
[Desire General] Nekromantik:
Anyone who gets thier handset tomo from Orange let us know what memory card they supply and if it has any of Orange's software installed.

:)

Cheers
[Desire General] skanj:
Just got my "Dispatched" text from Orange so it'll definitely be here 2row
[Desire General] Nekromantik:
you and those ordering today are sooo lucky :(

I been waiting for this phone since it was announced and still gotta wait 6 more days, orange are evil for making me wait 6 days. ha ha
[Desire General] Teppic24:
Same here - despatched at 17:30. I'm having mine delivered to my work address. I can't wait! :D
[Desire General] Teppic24:
Is that when your contract actually expires or the date when you are allowed to upgrade? Orange normally allow you to upgrade up to three months before your contract expires if you are currently on an 18 month contract.