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[Nexus One General] attn1:
Guys like this bug me. If they turned a glass of milk upside down, they'd lack the analytical skills required to figure out how milk got on the floor. Yet here is another such columnist on InformationWeek running his mouth like a whale scooping up plankton.

Here's the article, which is as misleading as any I've seen in a while:

Google Giving Up On 'Revolutionary' Android Sales Model?

I'd set him straight but I am fresh out of the crayons required to draw him an appropriate picture.
[Nexus One General] DMaverick50:
I read that earlier but I must have missed something because I don't see why the guy is a jackass. It seems to me like he is suggesting some evidence that points to Google no longer exclusively selling their phone. But at the end he theorized that nothing would change and Google would maintain its strategy. Please correct me if I'm wrong though as I am not a strong reader and I only briefly read it right before class...
[Nexus One General] Paul22000:
I too don't see why he is a jackass?

If the Nexus One was sold in stores, it would be a great thing. There's a lot of people who just will not buy a phone they can't see in person. Even I was skeptical at first, and I'm sure a lot of us were.

Either way, it would be a great thing if N1's started popping up in stores. Sales would go through the roof. The inability for people to see it in person is the ONLY reason the phone hasn't sold over a million.

Personally I think Google did it all wrong. The ONLY reason for an online store is to be able to sell the phone to ANYONE in the world. Making a phone online only for the USA only was completely idiotic.

They should have picked the most popular frequency on the GLOBE and sold that to whoever the hell wanted it world-wide.

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[Nexus One General] nav525:
I agree, no reason to call him a jackass. He did however make the mistake of saying that the verizon nexus one was the Incredible. I guess he should have known better than to make that mistake, but I don't see why the OP is so angry lol.
[Nexus One General] xManMythLegend:
I have my news widget picking up "Android" and "Nexus One" tags..

All I have to say is Im absolutely amazed at the sheer number of articles with misleading headlines that reveal absolutely no information whatsoever.

This article; as useless as it is...is nobel prize worthy compared to whats out there.
[Nexus One General] musashiken:
And again I have to ask this. UK, Hongkong and Singapore does not qualify under " other countries" huh? Or is the world just made of the US?

Granted not everyone in the world can order it online, but please please get your facts right before sprouting "US Only" comments.
[Nexus One General] attn1:
And that is exactly what makes this kind of behavior jaskass-ish.

There are a good reasons Google did not make the the N1 available in stores.

They wanted an unbranded, pure Android phone available, and the only way to do that was do sell it themselves. A phone with the same specification, same feature set and close to the same experience as possible, regardless of wireless service provider. Where wireless standards are the same regardless of carrier, they wanted a phone that the user could use regardless of what carrier he chose to use, allowing him to negotiate the best deal. Maybe this isn't such a great thing in the US, but it is to many places in the rest of the world. Ask a Canadian about the flexibility of being able to use an unsubsidized N1 on his/her choice of Rogers, Telus or Bell.

If you wonder why Google thinks this is important, look at every other Android phone on the market - even others made by HTC and marketed by carriers. UIs "updated", features missing, new ones locked in. When they are done with all of these changes, they hardly resemble the N1.

The best example of the worst example of Android is the Backflip, a unit which Motorola stuffed on Motoblur, and AT&T neutered further by locking in it's own applications in place of arguably better counterparts supplied by default in Android. It was introduced with Android 1.5 after Android 2.1 had already rolled out. These things are a big deal because now instead of free GPS, you get to pay a subscription fee for a carrier branded GPS if you want it. Instead of integrated Google services, you get something else. We can go around all day long about what UI is better, but the bottom line is that we can say without judgement that HTC Sense and Motoblur do not represent the default Android UI.

The Nexus One remains the lone current quintessential example of what Android really is. Google needs that more than it needs a sales leader, and this is what analysts like that don't get because they choose to remain ignorant about why Android is different, why they think the Nexus One is a failure, and why they think Google must be ready to pull the plug. No facts, misinformation and misdirection and a general lack of understanding of the subject matter is what characterizes jackass-ish behavior whenever a columnist just poops out a column such as that.

Not every success can be characterized by sheer sales volume. Even HTC understood that as their Chief declared the Nexus One a success.
[Nexus One General] Paul22000:
How is 4 countries the ENTIRE world?

And the official www.google.com/phone listed US only at launch.
[Nexus One General] musashiken:
I DID not say anything about the ENTIRE World. YOU were going on about selling one phone ONLY to the US. And where in www.google.com/phone states that US is the only country??

I go order the phone without a plan and I get to choose 4 countries as delivery destination. How is that only US? Even articles during launch time mentioned the 4 countries.

And for your information, I'm not in the USA and I got my phone off that site the legal way straight to my country without going through any hoops.
[Nexus One General] attn1:
His original point was that the phone would have sold much better if Google made it available globally. They didn't, and greater availability would have meant greater numbers. That's a fact. I don't understand the need to argue the point, even though part of my point was that sheer numbers don't seem to be Google's motivation or their measure of success.

I am glad you got your N1 through their website. I hope you're happy with it.
[Nexus One General] musashiken:
And my point is that he shouldn't just say it's only for the USA. Some people get touchy on that, you know like "hey there are other countries in the world you know, even small dots on the map. Stop that America-is-big-so-no-need-to-mention-others ****". He could have just said "selling a phone only to a mere 4 countries in the world??? OMGWTFISTHIS****" And I would have just agreed wholeheartedly.
[Nexus One General] attn1:
He was being critical of their distribution, saying it should have been sold globally with the most popular global frequencies. He was mindful of the rest of the world. If he misspoke, it was not because he didn't think they rest of the world mattered - quite the contrary, it was just the opposite.

The fact that the N1 was only subsidized (and still is) by T-Mobile in the US makes it seem like Google's focus for distribution is only on a small part of the US market, an approach which he is very obviously critical of. He's on your side, so I still don't get the purpose of the argument, even if he was wrong about where it was initially available. Ask Canadian Telus and Bell customers how they felt about the confusion of the Google's announcement regarding the availability of the model compatible with AT&T and Roger's 3G networks. I am sorry if you feel like you're treated like a small dot on the map, but picking fights isn't a good way to get noticed, especially when the guy you're picking on is on your side.
[Nexus One General] McFroger3:
http://www.cracked.com/article_18458_6-subtle-ways-news-media-disguises-bull****-as-fact.html

All I gotta say lol
[Nexus One General] rori~:
Worldwide release would be nice, but google cant*yet-> too many features dont work outside the US (maps, voice,.....)
[Nexus One General] attn1:
He makes some good points, but generally I give any author the benefit of the doubt until I *know* he's talking out his arse. I am sure I miss a lot of "BS" calls because I don't know the subject written about any better than the author. A lot of those points are just reflective of common bad journalism practices. Good, honest, neutral journalism is getting harder to find every day, and even hard news seems to be wrapped up agenda driven entertainment news format.

This is partly our fault for passively putting up with it. Image what would happen if every time an author was full of it, readers who really knew better exposed the author for the BS artist he was - with cold, hard, irrefutable facts and not just emotional reaction.

Ah, I didn't even think of that. I am sure some disclaimer about those features up front could remedy that situation. It could still be a legal nightmare though.
[Nexus One General] musashiken:
Sheesh, fine my bad. I wasn't trying to be noticed, I wasn't trying to pick a fight, I'm just trying to correct a little point made by someone and I wasn't even refuting the gist of his point and this is what I get. He couldn't just reply in the first place with something like "yeah whatever, u get my point right?" and proceeds to defend his "only-USA" statement.

In anycase, I'm all for Google's original sale model to just launch it online. Even though its main focus is on USA. It was mentioned somewhere it's just a test case or something for Google to gauge the market response. So as long they do something about the global market in the near future.
[Nexus One General] attn1:
Well it appears that we really are on the same page and in agreement. I hope they are ready to move full on to the global market soon.

To Paul's other point, I wish there was a way for them to sell from some other retail outlet without compromising the phone with crappy branding. But without subsidy from a carrier, it could be a very difficult sell and quantities might not make it attractive to retailers. I am sure Google has examined this possibility very carefully, and perhaps it is something that could work where handsets are not commonly subsidized (Not in the US).
[Nexus One General] musashiken:
Well the thing about the global scene is that different countries have different legal systems so perhaps Google is having a slight problem overcoming those. I suppose a good way to start is to strengthen the presence of Google branch offices in the various countries.

It is true I am having some gripes with the lack of certain "advertised" features using N1 in my country. Like no navigation and access to paid apps. Of course all these can be remedied now through rooting and custom roms but that kinda beats the whole purpose.

I have to admit that I bought N1 due to its unique factor. ie. you are just one in a hundred to get it online. Having Google give up their model and start selling the N1 like a normal phone kinda takes out the unique branding of it.
[Nexus One General] attn1:
That is kind of nice, but I'd like to see Android run the competing mobile phone OS's right into the ground.

It would be a win for open source software, for Linux and for the consumers. The only losers would be the greedy corps trying to bend us over at every turn to grab more money. Apple and Microsoft for software, and wireless carriers for "services" like navigation programs for GPS and SMS text messaging - when you're more than likely already paying more than a fair amount for the data you're using.

How many people know that you can send and receive free SMS text (no MMS) with Google Voice without paying for MMS in addition to data? And where you have maps, the Android 2.x GPS navigation works without a GPS navigation service subscription? Our phones can demonstrate that. Over a couple of years, all that adds up to a pretty healthy phone subsidy from where I sit.
[HD2 General] g.lewarne:
Hi everyone!

WE (the CleanEX team) are looking for 3 people who want to help us beta testing ROMS for the US handsets.

In return you will recieve a ready to go kitchen (so you can design and build you own roms), assistance and any cooking help required,

Please PM me for details :)

Thanks,

G
[HD2 General] zarathustrax:
I'll beta test for you. I'm still on stock atm, but already flashed hspl, and I'm very familiar with windows mobile and flashing roms from my previous raphael and hermes.
[HD2 General] nightryder21:
PM'ed. I have a T-Mobile HD2 I would be willing to Beta test for. I've flashed countless times on my Dash, Dash 3G, Touch Pro 2, and HD2.
[HD2 General] g.lewarne:
thanks to all who have applied, we have enough people now, thank you!
[Nexus One General] shograt:
Seriously.

So, yesterday around noon, I noticed that I didn't have a data connection. I checked my account on a desktop - all's good, don't owe 'em any dough. I call 'em up, expecting a network outage, or something similar.

"We're going to have to transfer you to our high balance department."... Um, Ok.

First person I talk to, figure out the situation fairly quickly; I've used 81GB in the last month, and despite being on the 25$ / month unlimited data plan, the system has freaked out and wants to charge me for it all - sort of. It's listed on my account as 'unbilled data charges'. Anyway, she re-enables my data plan, and will call me back when her supervisor is off the phone. She agrees with me that it's a bug, that my 25$ a month plan should cover it - it's unlimited, after all.

I call back about 3 hours later, and get a clueless guy. He basically tells me that he can't do anything, the ticket is already at a higher level than him, and that I should be getting a call tomorrow (that'd be today)... but goes on to discuss the issue with me anyway.

First, he tells me that he sees that I have 'unlimited web' - I say 'oh, heck no' - it's unlimited data; I'd never sign up for something called unlimited web. He agrees, but goes on to note that unlimited data doesn't cover 'downloading'. I ask him how he expects to view a web page without downloading data - oh, he didn't mean that, he means 'music and games'. Okay, how do they track that separately? He doesn't know - shocker, there. Whatever; I end the call.

This morning, I get a call from a somewhat more knowledgeable guy - admittedly, he opened the conversation by noting that I appeared to have excessive 'data roaming charges' - nope, never did any roaming - and that the useage in question was 'all last weekend' - I -wish- their network (or the Nexus!) could handle 80gb over a 48 hour period. We come to agree that this is basically a glitch in their system - they had to assign some max value somewhere to bytes used per month (there's no way programatically to say infinite, besides, warning bells when someone like me goes nuts with the bandwidth is probably useful to 'em), and I hit that limit, and the system couldn't figure out what to do billing-wise... Apparently, to clear the mess completely, they have to refer it up to some tech department, and I should hear back in ~ 72 hours or so.

So, long story shortened: 41,000$ is a scary number to hear over the phone, but 25$ unlimited data trumps 41,000$ billing glitch.
[Nexus One General] TurboTsi:
81GBs!!! Damn man, i can only imagine what you download!
[Nexus One General] McFroger3:
Stop torrenting when you tether!!!!

But I was aware that when you reached the 10gb cap they have on thier data plans, they just throttle you to edge till your next billing cycle.
[Nexus One General] minogue:
Woah, let me ask First of all. 81GB??? Thats a hell of a lot data. im thinking tethering maybe? But whatever thast not the problem here.

So i took a look around T-mobile.com and the Plan specifically says " Unlimited Data" not web or any of that so you're right.

However i would expect for T-mobile to give you problems after reaching such "limit"

Keep us posted with your Talk with the reps and if you ever have any questions always ask to speak with a supervisor to handle this specific issue. Im thinking they should let you go with a warning.

For what? well unlimited is never unlimited but rather just another word for anytime use over the period of a month. Yup!

and i have read however like the G1 plan came with a 10Gb Cap unlimited data. meaning that you can access the internet 24/7 while staying under the 10GB range of data downloads.

But that does not apply so much as after you reach such levels, you should be "capped" right, meaning cut off the internet for the remaining period of the month. So dont let them convince you otherwise, i dont even make that a YEAR ...WTF????

THATS A PRETTY BIG NUMBER, i'd shoot myself.

Good Luck:) and let me know how it goes:)
[Nexus One General] Austin021296:
Happend to me once when i had my palm treo, Except it was 1,600$ my parents about had a heart attack when they got the bill in the mail.
[Nexus One General] minogue:
Mind Sharing the outcome?
[Nexus One General] Austin021296:
Well my mom called the next morning to see what was going on and apparently it was some roaming charges, we were in Mexico the following week for vacation but luckily we got to talk to a supervisor or some head guy and they took them off, just charged the regular data plan.
[Nexus One General] neok44:
81GB of data transfer in one weekend? i don't think i do that much in a month between my phone, PC, xbox, PS3, AND laptop. damn man lol

hope it all works out in the end.
[Nexus One General] mrbkkt1:
There was a Guy on att last year who got a 20k bill for slingboxing a whole football game.
[Nexus One General] stuff:
I hope it gets cleared up. The only possible way to reach 80gb on a mobile phone is to tether it, and if you did no such thing then it clearly is a glitch.
[Nexus One General] MaximReapage:
Installing a torrent client on your phone will do it. Multiple exchange accounts will do it as well. My dad averaged about 100 GB/month on his data plan, and that was sheerly from constant exchange pushes from his corporate exchange account. My buddy was averaging 10-20 gigs/week from torrenting on his phone.
[Nexus One General] shograt:
Lemme clear up a few things:

a) none of the reps I've spoken to, in any of the departments, expects me to be liable for and part of 41,000$; I have the unlimited data plan, the billing's a glitch. And isn't showing on my account, either; I owe 'em 0.00$, since I'm paid up for the past month.

b) this wasn't on a single weekend; I wish t-mob's service was capable of 500K/s =) It isn't. This was 81GB over the period of a month.

c) Capping: they do this, or rather, they do throttling; as you reach various 'milestones', they cap you to 50k/s. Mind you, it doesn't work; typically, after receiving a text msg that I'd been throttled, I'd still see speeds in excess of 100k/s. Cutting you off completely, should never be the answer.

d) What could account for that amount of useage: yes, tethering could do it; however, it can be done through other means as well. F'r'instance, 'newsrob', an offline newsreader: I have had it set in the past to 500 articles, full bore (not just newsfeed, but also full webpage + images), refresh every 30 minutes. With a decent stack of rss feeds, this can keep your bandwidth pegged constantly.
[Nexus One General] Kermee:
LOL. Hope the OP gets it taking care of.

I use tether heavily on my N1 account with TMO, but have never had any issues. Tethering to a notebook, etc. will definitely rack up data usage quickly ;)

For example:

It's funny that TMO's website shows a "usage bar" for data when it's unlimited...

Cheers,

Kermee
[Nexus One General] DarkDvr:
That's a lot of lolcat vids you downloaded my friend.

Just kidding, funny story =)
[Nexus One General] heygrl:
Sickening. You all won't be happy until we have 5 gig hard caps to control the quality of service.
[Nexus One General] PacoL250:
If I'm correct, AT&T I think does have a 5 GB cap.

Though if you're tethering, 81 GB seems a bit...light. :p
[Nexus One General] heygrl:
They don't, it's unlimited for now but they will have to do something about it to control people like the OP dragging down the network quality.
[Nexus One General] PacoL250:
Looks like AT&T does actually:

AT&T Plan Terms

Oh and as for the OP "dragging down the network quality," that's clearly any service provider's fault for not realizing demand and possibly even throttling accordingly. That's the whole issue I have with data plans, but I won't go into that here.
[Nexus One General] diversificationied:
Connections are throttled after using 10 gigs, to maintaing quality connections for everyone else.

Go cry somewhere else about nothing in particular.
[Nexus One General] heygrl:
No they aren't, if they we're throttled down to 50kbps reaching 80GB would be nearly impossible. That and I know for a fact that T-Mobile doesn't throttle for "certain". They clearly state that they MAY throttle you down and to get to 80GB you must be doing something against the TOS.

They clearly have stated that data plans for smartphones isn't limited. Regardless, they will notice it and we will all be reduced to tiered data plans that will probably be more expensive than what we pay now to make up on what they lose not charging a flat rate to people that use less.
[Nexus One General] :
Okay boss, keep yelling at the clouds.
[Nexus One General] PacoL250:
5 GB = a limit. Now I'm talking about AT&T. And that's clearly listed in the ToS.

I also noticed it once in my account info (I don't remember in which section), but there was a limit listed.

So technically, data plans, at least with AT&T are limited. It's just really hard to go beyond that unless you're tethering. AT&T does offer an option for tethering which I think is either $5 to $10 more.

As for how T-Mo runs things I am not sure, but if they really are completely unlimited without any tethering restrictions, then you have no one to blame but the stupidity of your service provider. If somebody is using said 3G connection for everything, tethering obviously included, then 80 GB of usage is to be expected. T-Mo should have a limit placed to prevent things of this nature.

I guess I'll get into my data plan rant. Should they tiered? Sure why not; however there is no reason for said plans to be more expensive. Case in point, there's a $15/month data plan and there's the $30/month text and data plan. Texting aside, both have the 5 GB cap, but honestly, for a mobile device that's not tethered, it's fine.

Personally, I should have options say such as $10/month for a plan that has a 2.5 GB cap or something. Wouldn't you? Sure I'll pay more for unlimited, but honestly, the average person doesn't need it. Trust me, they don't.

Because going beyond 5 GB would require a ton of Facebook, Twitter, e-mail push notifications. A ton...
[Nexus One General] Jack Everyman:
But you were averaging over 2 gigs a day. What the hell were you downloading/uploading on your phone? Even with tethering that seems that seems to be a lot of data.
[Nexus One General] heygrl:
http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/legal/plan-terms.jsp#data

Where is this 5GB limit mentioned anywhere else besides with the tethering plans? Look, AT&T claims to have unlimited data.. it's not that hard to get.

http://www.gearlog.com/2010/04/att_ipad_3g_is_truly_unlimited.php
[Nexus One General] Kermee:
I think the 5GB soft-limit on AT&T comes form this part of the ToS:

Basically it's saying that AT&T has the right to impose additional charges if you use more than 5 GB in a month, but not before notifying you of those charges and having the option to terminate your Service instead of paying those charges. -- However in reality, I don't think anyone has really seen this policy enforced and if any, are extremely rare.

It'll be interesting to see if the iPad 3G on AT&T gets a different set of ToS/AUP if Mark Siegel of AT&T really did state "unlimited is unlimited" in which I read as "no hard or no soft caps".

Cheers,

Kermee