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[HD2 General] leftkats:
My epxerience with the HD2 has been so far perfect... and I don't think it will change any time soon. I done quite a few tweaks, flashed about 10 roms allready and I feel ever so glad I got it...

I have been a WinMo user from 2007 and I have never complained about any of the phones I had so far... I have read reviews before I got my first phone (HTC Polaris) and accepted both good and bad things, and I thought if this is what I want, I will adapt to it... And so I did. Then I joined XDA forums and of course I was reading nearly everyday posts for my phone... I read so many posts about people complaining about their phones, for this... for the other... it cannot do that and so on... I would allways question myself why would people buy the phone and expect to do something that the phone wasn't supposed/promised to do, only because other phones in the market where capable of doing it. I was never promised I would get the best phone available and I was very happy with it... there was also this big riot about the phone not having 3d drivers and bla bla... and people thought they were tricked, and riped off etc... I never... never complained, even though it would have been good if we had some drivers... to be honest, i don't think there were even applications that would use 3d at that time... anyway long story short, I love WM complain about it...

And for people that say forums are flooded with problems on the htc hd2, let me tell you that mine, my brothers and my dads as well as few friends have met their expectations and have no problems whatsoever... is just you won't find people going in forums starting threads about their phones working flawlessly... Imagine everybody whose phone is ok starting a new thread like "after a month the phone is perfect... where have I didged the iphone, wanna sell it on ebay" or "news report: my phone is still ok" and so on... Every forum you will check about technology, cars etc you will mostly see posts from people having some problems that, by making them public, are hoping to get them resolved!

Some people in here are so clueless about technology or the device itself and they are complaining about it like there is no freaking tomorrow... Why did you buy it in the first place?? In most cases, this rule applies "if the device is not working as it should, please check the user first!"

And to the guy who said that he/she and everybody he/she knows have to reset the phone at least once a day... I don't!

Sometimes I wish there was a device that would allow users to punch other people in the face (provided they have one) when they are using forums inapproprieately!

wow... my longest post propably... take care guys
[HD2 General] PeterGuru:
Hmm, I'm a 5'10" male at 185lbs. My wife would never think of bothering me that much in one day. Me thinks there's a trust issue with your girlfriend. Anyway, concerning autism, the rates are currently in dispute as to what is actually causing a rise in the diagnosis of autism, whether it's an actual increase due to environmental reasons, or simply "an artifact of increased surveillance and broadening of the definition of autism."

Anyway, I do get your point. However, I stand by my earlier comments. We have become too paranoid, which would explain the incredible increase in anxiety disorders and depression (I'm one who suffers from both, so I have some knowledge on this issue).

Hold on, I think someone's after me. I'll be right back. Must check the door.

Nope! Nobody there. Phew! :)

Have a great day!
[HD2 General] PeterGuru:
I don't, either. :)
[HD2 General] rp-x1:
Mine gets rebooted once a week maybe? Thats usually after I install an app anyway.
[HD2 General] PeterGuru:
Here, here!

I don't, either.

Again ... here, here!

Yes, post #69 above was my longest, too. :)
[HD2 General] tg989:
apple propaganda :\

My phone has been running flawlessly for months and the only problem it had was fixed with a hard reset... this is with probably 30-40 apps installed, some of which from some pretty sketchy places.

I've seen tons of people with iphones which hang frequently and need 5-6 minutes to restart... talk to me about an emergency. I also get two full days of battery with the hd2 with very frequent use.
[HD2 General] elburna:
+1.

I only softreset after installing new progs. See no reason why i should... Funny to hear how people generalize things and claim, that all opposite experiences are lies/not true/just fanboy statements. I sit here with a fully functional HD2 and can only smile. BTW im a poweruser since many years and can claim, that i tested/used all the functions which the HD2 offers...

Cheers
[HD2 General] cgrec92:
I don't think the whole emergency thing is out of control at all.

Worldwide, there must be millions of emergency calls, and I bet you about 80% of them from mobile phones, if not more.

I appreciate your advice that mine must be a faulty handset, in fact I have sent it off for repair and even had it exchanged, my main issue is that it can not stay connected to the internet. This issue dates back to 2002 on WM phones ONLY and no one has a solution, believe me, it does get increasingly frustrating.

I am not steaming about the HD2, guys I don't even have an iPhone and personally I really like the HD2, it just annoys me no end the bugs it has. I am a heavy user and am technical when it comes to computers, so phones aren't too complex for me, especially when it comes to Windows. But unless you can suggest to me a tweak to make my phone stop randomly freezing by doing nothing, or to stay connected to the Internet, or to not overheat when in a phone call then I'm sorry but i can't accept it. Sometimes you just need the phone to work.

If it works for you then I'm REALLY glad for you, but as I said, repair + exchange and still nothing.

Original T-Mob stock ROM, original HTC stock ROM, and almost every custom ROM (right now on Energy), NOTHING has fixed this for me.

So please don't vent on me and patronize for not knowing what I'm doing, I've had this phone since it first came out in the UK in November I was one of the first to be flashing ROMs and tweaking things on our beloved phone so please don't patronize me.
[HD2 General] PeterGuru:
My intention was not to patronize. If that's the impression you got from what I said, then I apologize.

I'm sorry to hear about your ills. Perhaps where you live is somewhat of a reason, otherwise, I really don't know. Yes, it must be very frustrating for you. Fortunately, I have never experienced anything you describe.

Good luck!
[HD2 General] fallenmonk:
I got the orbit2 for business. I liked it so much I jumped at the chance to get this handset and win 6.5. I.E takes too long,1 min to load a page and cut/paste is a pain... everything jumps everywhere It is not right that my old orbit2 is faster on the net over this HD2. No choice but to take out the old orbit . Can't take anymore slow web browsing. This is the only issue which is the most important for me.
[HD2 General] Archer:
Personally, I don't understand this whole conversation. If I went and paid £500 for a phone which then didn't produce the goods, I'd immediately send it back to where I'd got it from and get my money back. It really is that simple.

One thing I would definitely not do is go on a forum that is aimed at helping people with that device and tell them that I was getting rid of it. That's just a plain waste of time.

Let's get back to people who do like their HD2 and don't get off on whining in public. Can we just let this thread go where it should be? At the bottom of the thread list.
[HD2 General] baam2k:
i dont get people .

people buy an expensive phone even when they say that wimo sux.

stop complaining and buy an iphone if you think its better .

simple as that ..

iphone means no freedom. its controlled apps so it safe.

wimo means freedom of changin the os looks any way you want ..

and beacuase you can change much, there can be some times a phone isnt working as it should be, and that it might crash sometimes.

so think bout that before saying wimo is bad os.

it isnt perfect i know but neither is iphone os .
[HD2 General] Raadius:
The responses here are WILD. You all sound like CSR from HTC.

It's funny when I (or others) have a problem with the stock HD2 the first thing out your mouth is 'mod it'. Lol, what?

So a phone that is 1GHz, 547MB of RAM, the last thing that would plague a phone is 'lag' and 'slowdown'. Im on a USHD2, im reading people in Europe having the same issues, some worse than mine, so obviously HTC has failed to listen or do anything about it... or they did do a SMS update last year for Europe but it had zero effect on the lag issues in the HTC Messeging App.

All you guys getting anal because of the abundance of complaints of the HD2 shows that it's a serious matter. Serious enough, you guys strapped on your HD2 suit and armor to defend it, lol. Well, like I said earlier, you don't have to read or post in here. If I don't like a post or whats being type, I hit the back button, simple as that. Until than, or until HTC or T-moble recongize there are some issues, there will be complaints, PLENTY of them. Deal with it.
[HD2 General] zarathustrax:
But this forum is not HTC or T-Mobile. This forum is a bunch of developers and WinMo users who do not want to hear how much you think WinMo or the HD2 suck. If you want to complain, complain to HTC or T-Mobile. And the majority of HD2 users are happy with it. You hear just as many complaints about other phones if you go to there forums.
[HD2 General] desperation52:
I owned the iphone. gave it up for a HD2.

Except for games, the HD2 can do everything better.

Anyway, I live in Singapore, so probably the internet dropouts which occur are a carrier thing than a phone thing. When I use the iphone, I feel my intelligence dropping. Use it for my back up now. In case the HD2 runs out, which it has not.

Anyway, the Iphone complains are plenty too. Just that for some reason, iphone users don't complain on forums that much, except go to other forums and complain about other phones.

Knew plenty of people who changed iphones one to one like 5 to 6 times. At least more than my fingers on both hands.
[HD2 General] moegdaog:
ive had almost every winmo os except the 2003ca w/e..and this version is deff the worst..i love this phone tho..my only issue is if i have wifi on and i get a call...i cant hang up the phone after the call is over sometimes..i have stock rom,cookies tab n bsb tweak..had this phone for 2weeks now..i hate apple with a passion,ill always support winmo...i stilll dream about my treo 600 from 5 yrs ago...but then again the 8525 on att was also a dream too but this device is current and i love how far htc has come and stood by microsoft..i just hope wm7 is the holy grail we all hope for cuz htc cant do nemore.
[HD2 General] SPENONE:
I think what should happen in this thread is Developers reading as to what the issues are and trying to possibly help fix what some of those are. That would be a great thing.

Also is there any proof that a version of Android is being ported to the phone?...or are the developers waiting for the EVO ROM?...I would gladly buy another HD2 in that case.

And i apologize to anyone who thinks im here complaining. Unlike others i was dissatisfied with Winmo...not the phone, so i just returned it within my warranty period.
[HD2 General] Raadius:
When I was on the many of iPhone forums and people were have problems with them, I didn't go around the forums over there telling them to 'mod there phone', 'deal with it' or 'call them liars', or try to make them seem like there stupid because they lack intelligence to use a phone . I tried to help them and if I couldn't, I hit the back button on my firefox.

So like I told the other guy who hasn't posted back in this thread, if your not contributing to the thread to help people, don't waste your time or theirs by posting in here.

P.S. I've already contacted HTC and Tmobile, thank you.
[HD2 General] cloudless57:
Donkeys and Horses!

Donkeys (even really good looking ones) can only take children up and down the beach all day long...Horses run things like the Grand National and the Ebor... Sorry for those of you that are confused, does the iphone multi-task? Does it support flash? Does it need to be jail-broken to be any real use?

Donkeys and Horses! Even the best horses fall sometimes or come bloody fifth :mad: Stop comparing these two phones: One of them can only do one thing at a time...and its very good at doing that, end of!
[HD2 General] Wildcopper:
Most of those people who constantly whine do it to seek attention. If it wasn't about the HD2, they'd find something else. If they had an iPhone, they'd be whining about it on apple forums.

And there's also the tendency to always blame the device, even when it's the user who hacked it, modded it, installed weird software and tweaks and ended with a malfunctioning device.

Most of the times, PEBCAK (look wikipedia for it) ;)
[HD2 General] Archer:
I personally think it's more PICNIC ;)
[HD2 General] zarathustrax:
I have no problem with people starting threads to get help and ask question to improve their phone. When people ask for help, I will help them. Most people in this forum will. This thread was started to ***** about this phone and say the iphone is better. Read the first post.... no questions or asking for help. Just complaints... and then brings up the iphone. There was no reason for it. I don't tell people to deal with it when they ask for help... when people ask for help, they usually get help in this forum. But when they want to complain and say that the phone sucks, what kind of response do you expect from a forum of people who love the phone. How would you feel if someone came to your house and called your favorite things crappy because they had a bad experience with it or didn't know how to use it properly. (Sorry, can't think of a good example atm,) We don't want to hear how you think the iphone is better. They are completely different devices and used by different types of people. Everyone here is glad to help people when they ask for help. There are tons of resources and answers available with a quick search. If you still can't get it to work well for you, maybe it's not the device for you. But there's no reason to complain and say negative things about it. There are plenty of us that are completely happy with it and have no problems that we can't deal with.
[HD2 General] akaotikpnoy:
I have had an iphone since the 2G came out and owned the 3G for about year. Bought the HD2 3 days ago and it crashed the first 5 mins I had it. Having owned a Treo 750 with WM I know what to expect from the OS. I was starting to have regrets as I traded my iphone with a lot of cash to get this phone. Recently I've installed the hpsl2 and running on energy rom. I must say the phone is functioning a lot better now and really starting to like it. Hopefully I wont be dissappointed like the others on this thread in a month.
[HD2 General] sgopshd2:
totaly agree my hd2 can b buggy but when I had iPhone it did kinda just work faultlessly. so it should bein years behind todays smartphones. however I see the prob wiv Microsoft. example everthing they do is buggy n unstable in fact who can name a single microsoft product that is faultess?? none but I live in hope for Android port on hd2 if carlsberg made phones it b hd2 android
[HD2 General] Halle:
I had an Iphone 3G for six months when it first came out. Loved it. But I love my HD2 even more. Why? Cus Sense is so much better in all possible ways, and you are ALLOWED to tweak the entire phone with 3rd party cabs, apps etc. The HD2 is also a LOT faster than the iphone. Honestly, I grew tired of my Iphone quite fast, I jailbreaked it and did all possible things but it's nothing compared to what you can do to WM. The one thing I did not like with the iphone was it's low-res screen.

And also, my HD2 runs just as stable as my Iphone did! It's my first WM phone, and I've read so much crap about WM - it's slow, unstable etc. So I must say that I'm surprised it works so well :o
[HD2 General] sleepwalkers:
That's a gross oversimplification. What Apple is doing is capitalism, and you'd be ridiculous to honestly think otherwise. One has to willingly enter into and accept all of the conditions that Apple puts on their products, warts and all.

I guess because people here think that everyone has to choose one or the other, and that there can never be two options for anything, because one is always the be-all, end-all. That seems just as close-minded and restrictive as anything Apple has ever done.

There are multiple options for phone operating systems. Guess what? There isn't one "ultimate" one! Surprise!

Apple's iPhone OS is great for some, Windows Mobile is great for some, Android is great for some. They all have positives and negatives. Yet, somehow, the same sort of playground wars happen all over the Internet - but instead of arguing about whether Batman or Superman would win in a fight, everyone is arguing about how their product of choice could totally kick the other product's ass.
[HD2 General] mystik610:
Well said.
[HD2 General] cgrec92:
There's no 'wars' going on here.

The OP posted that he is unhappy with WM and stated some bugs he has come across and that he will revert back to his iPhone, if he said he will revert back to his Nokia would all of this fan boy crap commenced?

The OP was not 'attacking' anyone, if everyone was like you then bugs would never get fixed, do you really think if you send a polite letter to HTC they're gonna do anything? sometimes people have to put their foot down to bring standards back up where they should be.

We're in the 21st century guys, things like being able to call and text without delays/freezes etc should be expected.

Instead of saying 'well there are a few bugs but you learn to live with them', but what when they are fundamental parts of a phone? if you take action these bugs WILL GET FIXED.

WM is patchy, buggy, and unstable, stop defending it because you forked out money for it and do something about it.

The fact that people talk about the iPhone OS is because it sets a benchmark, the hardware of the iPhone is rubbish yet the OS works flawlessly, personally I think it's a very good benchmark, a phone with a 1GHz processor should be exceeding this.

So when people compare WM to OSX, stop calling them 'trolls' or 'fan boys', because you know this phone has so much potential and WM has the capabilities of acheiving it.

NOTE: I DO NOT OWN AN IPHONE ;)
[HD2 General] Wildcopper:
I get that on MY HD2.

Stop hacking and tweaking things you don't understand, use stock roms instead of unreliable custom ones... maybe you may get the same smooth experience than me.
[HD2 General] wakers:
I must be pretty lucky as my HD2 has been perfect, had a few issue's for about a week when running the 1.43 Rom, but since 1.66 and now 1.72 Rom's have been installed i've had no issue's at all..

I haven't had to restart it other than installing some cabs...

I find texting really good, call quality is good, the signal quality is defo better than the Iphone's and the battery life is better even though its more powerfull and has a bigger screen...

I love how much you can customise it and the fact it was so much cheaper a month than the Iphone was...

I really like the Iphone and it is without doubt a very good OS system but jesus you pay for it, and thats what my biggest gripe is they should be by now £20-£25 month but they are still £40-45 over a 2year contract thats a lot of money, personally after playing on my mates Iphone and having used my HD2 for a few months now, i'm a well happy WM user...
[HD2 General] devsur:
I totally agree with petvas. if you don't know how to use this amazing phone, don't call yourself as pro. Pro's won't saylike what you said. If you really don't understand the full power of HD2 you are not a pro.

I am us it for more than 3 months I never had any problems like your claims. (I am very much sure your claims are all.false. And also you are one of the I phone fanatic simply claiming you owned WM Phones.
[HD2 General] cgrec92:
Are you actually being serious?

I've had the phone since it first came out in November I was tweaking months before you were.

I've tried T-Mob stock, HTC stock and every custom to TRY AND FIND ONE THAT WORKS.

I even posted this earlier.

So before you start implying that people don't know anything, I recommend you learn to read.
[HD2 General] Wildcopper:
Yeah, you're a super hacker. You filled your phone with unsupported software and roms, you moved back and forth between different legal and illegal roms, and now you complain it's not working correctly.

How damned surprising really.

I'm pretty sure that if I put kerosene instead of fuel in my car, and then complain to the builder it doesn't work properly, he will just agree and change my car.
[HD2 General] cgrec92:
So what you're saying is that flashing custom ROMS messes up EVERYTHING? have you never heard of a task 29?

That means 90% of the people should be experiencing issues right?

You're calling the work of hundreds of people here illegal?

Why don't you just leave if you're so morally against things here
[HD2 General] zarathustrax:
Any OS as versatile and customizable as WM is going to have bugs or stability problems here and there. The way to fix it is to lock it down to make it work a certain way, but there goes your versatility and ability to customize it as much as you can. That's what they are doing with WP7. That's how the iphone is. It's more stable, but you can't do as much with it, you can't customize it as much. But it will work like they want. I prefer to have a more versatile, customized OS... any bugs I come across can usually be fixed to my liking. Yes, it takes a little more work, but I love tweaking and customizing my phone. It keeps me from getting bored with it.
[HD2 General] Wildcopper:
I'm just saying that the use of unsupported ROMs is AT YOUR OWN RISK. I'm certainly not blaming the modding community, even though I won't use a custom ROM, but I also see that most of that community deals with the RISK involved in doing such stuff.

The more you hack, tweak, modify your device outside the "normal" usage, the more risk you take, and the less right you have to whine when things go wrong.

For instance, I use the OpenGL driver hack to speed it up. If I ever start to get crashes in OpenGL applications... can I blame HTC? Nope, I can't. I can't say the HD2 is unstable either. I used an unsupported driver, so I won't complain.

And why don't I leave? I won't comment on the maturity of that question, but I don't leave because I enjoy the work done on all the applications available here which don't all involve too deeply hacking the device, but which are most quite "under control" and reversible. And I accept that IF I do something more extreme, I take a risk, and I won't whine like a schoolgirl if suddenly my device doesn't work as intended anymore.

That's it.
[HD2 General] Ryukeima:
I completely agree with everything you said. I agree that there is no Ultimate OS, and yes it was a gross oversimplification. They are both capitalism and I could have used two better terms to compare each other with, but my point was to only state my preference with a little added rhetoric to spark a conversion, which it did. I even stand up for the iPhone at times and pay it compliments because I am willing to admit what it does right. I am more than willing to admit that Windows makes me want to throw it out a window sometimes also. I do believe this fellow summed it up well though:

And on a side note, we all know that Chuck Norris wins. (Sorry, my boss was showing me a Chuck Norris shirt at work today).
[HD2 General] fastwanabe:
what you said is exactly what im trying to get across. This phone has been marketed to the masses however i can only imagine whats being said across the net about this phone from individuals. Nowhere on the commercials or box for that matter does it say tweaking is necesary for this phone function correctly. when i had my 3gs i tweaked for fun not cause i HAD to.