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[Windows Phone 7 General] richteralan:
By primitive if you mean touchscreen experience, then I agree completely.

However Symbian is still the best OS for physical button smartphone and not primitive at all.

The UI, is simple, but not looks like crap. It lacks eye-candy for sure, but it certainly doesn't look like crap, as WM6.x does in its core.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
I'll agree to disagree. This all opinion anyways.

It looks like a DOS graphical user interface composed from ASCII chatacters (i.e. VBDOS).

I wouldn't use Symnian over a WinMo QWERTY (non	-touchscreen) device.

The fact that you think it's the best on qwerty phones probably has more to do with the fact that nokia actually does make really good qwerty devices.
[Windows Phone 7 General] richteralan:
Well of course this is all opinion anyways. ;):D
[Windows Phone 7 General] Shadow Samurai:
Android

Android 2.3.1 pwns all!!!! (HTC HD2 user):)
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
omg

what a way to contribute by violating the first post, then doing a gravedig and finally doing nothing to add to the discussion...fantastic post bro :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] iPAQ 6515a User:
Just a question. Do I need internet connection to run Android?

If so, it sucks (for me at least) and I prefer my WM6.5.3 with offline GPS apps :-)

(I know there are some for Droid but I do not or intend to have a special plan with my Cel Services Provider)

iPhone? Well, if there were offline GPS apps ... maybe (hmm, I guess there is one ... Aura but after what I've seen on droid ... no thank you)

[Update 2011.03.11]

Nevermind, I ran it on my HD2, no internet connection needed to run it but as to GPS, looks, etc WM6.5 RULEZ!!!

[Update 2011.03.30]

I have been playing around with Android (AmeriCANdroid build) since I posted here last. I still haven't found a way to have the functionality, the assortment of apps, the feel and looks of WM6.5 ( I am running Elegancia GTX ROM). I do admit droid is fast and sleek but it is still far from what WM6.5 has to offer.

Anyhow I will keep you posted.

If you want me to try some apps (if not the same similar) you have on your devices I will try them out to give you more insight.

For the time being I still prefer WM6.5. And I doubt I will become a convert
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
Bing turn by turn voice nav is available free on WinMo 6.5
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
I want full multitasking, that's why it's green.

Period.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kloc:
I don't really care I can argue everything to go either way I just like the debate lol. You say you don't like apple and I'll tell you what apple is doing right even though I also don't like apple haha. I definitely agree with you on iTunes. The program is the biggest POS I've ever seen and I will never let it be installed on any of my computers after my brother installed it on mine a long time ago.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
Well, in my opinion, Apple is doing VERY, VERY WRONG.

That's the point of opinions, everyone can have his own.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kloc:
And they are doing wrong in my opinion also (starting to get a bit better with recent news), but in most peoples opinion they are doing very right. They have made the world out to be full of morons, they put out an OS that a 2 year old knows how to use (my neice is 2 and she can play with her mom's all the time) and you know what, it turns out a lot of people like simplicity over functionality. They figure if they don't put any options in it then no one can break it and everyone will have a great experience. It's a total crap boring OS but it just works and people like that. Would I ever use one? Hell no, but they are doing something right with the amount of people that has the phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
But what do I care about other people? I want a good phone for myself, I don't care whether others can use it or not. ;)

(and by the way, I think Android is extremely easy to use, despite being the most powerful - the other companies just can't figure out how to do easy and powerful together :D:D)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Spike15:
Computers have been multi-tasking for 40 years now.

You just assume that regardless of whether you're using Linux or Windows or Mac, you're going to be able to open another application while an application is still running, and you're going to be able to have them both not just open, but

running

simultaneously.

I don't understand why everyone assumes that the phone should be totally different.

And I think it's so f***ing funny that everyone is spouting off at the mouth about "efficiency".

I remember when I bought a computer that had a 1GHz AMD Athlon processor, and 256mbs of RAM. Sure it was x86 not ARM, giving it an edge in multi-tasking from the get-go, but it had

HALF THE RAM

and the

SAME PROCESSOR SPEED

as the HD2!

I remember playing my circa 2000 Windows games on that baby with Windows Media Player cranking out tunes in the background, and it had no problem.

AND THIS WAS TEN YEARS AGO!

There is no reason why phones today can't have multi-tasking. None. There's only developer laziness and [modern] people not understanding computers.

Does GM weld the hoods of their cars shut?

No. And if I wanted to open the hood of my Buick and drop a stick of dynamite into one of the pistons, I could, and when my car exploded I wouldn't be able to blame GM, would I?

The same should be true for operating systems -- on the desktop, the server, or the phone -- if I want to install a crappy piece of software and run it and give it Administrator rights, and my operating system blows up, I shouldn't be able to blame Microsoft.

Maybe instead of wasting all this time, effort, and money locking down their platform, Microsoft should increase consumer awareness?

P.S.: If the OS won't allow developers to use the APIs et cetera necessary to do something...

...it may as well not be capable of doing that thing.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kloc:
I know what you're saying but the problem isn't us putty ****ty software on the devices. It's been the OEM's putting ****ty software on the devices that's been giving Windows Mobile a bad rep to begin with. They bog the phones with all this stupid carrier software just if you buy a computer from certain places they come loaded with so much crap it takes 5 minutes to boot and if you don't know anything about computers you're screwed because you don't know that you can just go unistall the **** and problem solved.

My perfect platform would be currently how WP7 is plus more. Add full service API's (Apps suspend but all services for the app doesn't) because basically unless you can view two apps at the same time there's no need for it to be virutally running in the background), Force all OEM's to add no skins or locked hubs/apps in the OS, but still allow open acces to the filesystem so users that want to customize themselves on the side can, Keep the 8GB memory require but add support for SD, Require all commercial apps to go through marketplace (for improved support) and only give native access to apps that require it by some form of approval process. Sideloading of apps available but only after running a free unlock tool from MS that states installing this and unapproved apps may render your device useless use at your own risk.

This would what I would be releasing if I was head of WP7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
Chart updated. Codec support added. Hope I got it right.

Does anyone know what codecs WP7 will support? Since the Zune supports DiVX, afaik, that could be possible, but is anything confirmed yet?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kloc:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff462087(VS.92).aspx
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
Thanks.....
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kloc:
You're Welcome. It actually pretty damn good out of the box support I think.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
EDIT: Nevermind.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gogol:
Suggestion:

- Hardware keyboard

- External memory slot (micro-sd card)

- Visual voice mail

- A2DP?

- Microphone jack type
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
Hm, those are rather hardware related. But maybe I should add a hardware category and include those there.

I'm not sure about A2SP, don't they all support it?

Visual voicemail, I'm not sure either.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kloc:
I think he means putting whether or not the software supports it. Like for Physical keyboard:

Iphone - not supported

WP7 - supported

Android - supported

WM 6.x - Supported
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
But who knows whether iPhone OS supports a keyboard? There's no iPhone with a keyboard. :D

It does support bluetooth keyboards.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kloc:
That's the point. If there is no hardware keyboard it obviously doesn't support it. If you think about it that way you have to put that iphone and WP7 support full multitasking, just cause they don't give 3rd party devs access to it doesn't mean it's not supported. I know bluetooth is a different story.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
Yes, but that would fit in a hardware section then.

I'll make one, then you see what I mean. :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kloc:
Well it doesn't really matter if you section it under hardware. I don't think we will have poeple on this forum that doesn't understand what your talking about.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
Updated again.
[Windows Phone 7 General] StenvenBex:
;) is Winmo 6.5 too old-model ? ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] dribbs1:
Is this chart located anywhere else on the web? for some reason it's not displaying for me on this XDA thread?
[Windows Phone 7 General] TexUs:
Windows Phone 7 vs Android

I've used iOS (for about 5-6 months). Then I've used a Captivate since launch (so, like 8 months). I am now on Windows Phone 7, a Focus... For about a week.

My reasons for trying WP7:

1) Android bored me. Someone here I believe hit the nail on the head when they said it was due to the "Palm mini desktop". I feel this is true. Both iOS and Android's UIs are based on this old method. I got bored with both.

2) The Captivate's GPS was craptastic. To the point I stopped trying to ever use it.

3) Something new. I like change. Unlike most.

Now having spent some time with WP7, here are my pros:

1) The UI. It's something new. It's not based on a 10+ year old icon-driven desktop. It's fresh, it's new, it's simple and logical. Huge kudos to Microsoft here on UI design.

2) Fluid. Android for whatever reason, hasn't quite mastered this. You'd think if apps can master this, the OS itself could, but it's just not so. Apple and Microsoft both have.

3) Live Tiles are awesome. The home screen is actually meaningful. This might be lumped into the UI thing, but it's much more useful than an icon-full screen.

4) The menu system. Microsoft seems to be big on eliminating your classic drill-down menus (Windows 8 and Office 2010 attest to this)... No exception here.

5) Like it or hate it, I do like the People Hub sometimes. I can see with an update where it'd be incredibly useful.

6) Zune. Best music UI, hands down.

7) Wireless sync. I forgot it did this until I saw it... That's an awesome thing. It'll auto-sync when I plug it in for the night, awesome. With iPhone and Android... Often times I wouldn't sync my new stuff because I just didn't want to hook in. Yes it's lazy but for me it's still a plus. Automatic > Manual

8) Auto upload your camera pics? Heck yeah... Now I don't have to back them up myself.

9) Unlike both iOS and Android... The Apps seem to be high quality.

10) Battery. Focus and Cappy use the same battery but hands down, Focus wins. I was even using a slimmed down ROM on my Cappy.

Now for the downsides

1) No multitasking/sockets. This was never even a HUGE thing but it is certainly a NICE feature to have. Still stupid not to include it.

2) App schizophrenia. WeatherBug has push updates and auto-updates the live tile but Facebook doesn't? Come on... Both are quality apps but it's like holy crap- a popular app like Facebook... come on...

3) Notifications. Are better than iPhone in the sense, I don't have to deal with them if I don't want to. Not as good as Android because if I ignore them, there's no "unread messages" icon at the top or anything to tell me I have unread messages still. Additionally, a scrollable toast (like Android) would be better- but some people want it more private: so I can see both ways.

4) No attachable videos? That's stupid.

5) 3.5G... IDK if it's a limitation of hardware or if WP just doesn't support it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Jim Coleman:
MODERATOR!!!!!! Can you close or delete this thread please. Cheers.:rolleyes:
[Windows Phone 7 General] mikeeam:
What's the matter?

Let him expose his toughts. I like to read opinions. And I bet Microsoft too (;
[Windows Phone 7 General] efjay:
Its pointless, this will quickly degrade into a name calling, flame filled thread about how MS sucks, WP7 sucks, android is the best, etc, etc for maybe 10 pages before it gets closed. Seen it time and time again, and there are already similar threads here (filled with the aforementioned rants and rebuttals) so much better to post there than start a new one.
[Windows Phone 7 General] conantroutman:
There is already a comparison thread in here somewhere. This will be merged with that one when I get home later.

@ the OP, I'm a bit confused, this seems to be pretty similar to your other thread....

Sent from my fingers to your face...
[Windows Phone 7 General] TexUs:
It's my personal opinion. If you don't like it, then you can kiss my grits.
[Windows Phone 7 General] conantroutman:
It had better not because I have a pile of fresh infractions here just waiting to be dished out to anyone who decides to flame or troll....

;)

Sent from my fingers to your face...
[Windows Phone 7 General] TexUs:
Then why does everyone crap on my other thread?
[Windows Phone 7 General] conantroutman:
Lol... human nature my friend.

I've just seen the post in your other thread regarding this one....

Like I said, ill merge this later and sticky the big comparison thread so that those who want to argue in circles all day can use that and leave everyone else in peace.

Sent from my fingers to your face...
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
There is nothing wrong with the thread; it is the responses that you get.

I love WP7. It had me at hello. But I do own two successive Android phones because of lack of Skype and Whatsapp since I use the latter heavily.

The real issue with Windows Phone and the reason why you switched will be a painful reality for you - WP7 is stuck being WP7. So if you do get bored of looking at the same thing constantly then WP7 will start to bore you too and at a faster rate.

So:

Pros

1. I agree. But if you like to change your computer wallpaper every day (or even have an autochanging one in Win 7) and you like skinning your phone you will have some issues down the road.

2. Agreed and it is beyond me why some Android users marginalize this. Maybe they work in a ketchup bottling factory?

3. Agreed!

4. Mixed on this. The long list of vertical icons can be annoying to some of those that will inevitably have tons of stuff.

5. I see the potential too.

6. I admittedly am not into music like I used to be during my SE Walkman / Moto ROKR phone owning days.

7. Have no experience doing this.

8. The whole camera UI is quite nice for an initial offering. The straight to camera is nice too but I do value good cameras.

9. This is the least accurate thing in this list. A handful yes, but quite a few are not.

10. Agreed. But we would need to see what happens when Multitask becomes available.

And to summarize the downsides:

Will eventually be fixed! :) If you can't wiat then this is not for you. If you can then consider a WP7 phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
Peace does not seem to be a natural human quality, my friend :(
[Windows Phone 7 General] conantroutman:
Unfortunately I have to agree.

I might as well chip in on the discussion while I'm here.

Keep in mind that my experience of both android and wp7 is based on the HD2 so may not count as much as input from someone using them on native devices.

I like both but as I'm a tweaker I'm more drawn to android. That said I like the no nonsense approach of wp7's UI.

If further down the road it becomes possible to tweak wp7 by doing things like skinning the tiles and other parts of the UI then I will be going down that road.

For the minute though my next device will definitely be an android device.

Whilst wp7 is smooth and intuitive its possible to make android just.as smooth and easy on the eye if you know how and have the time/patience.

Sent from my fingers to your face...
[Windows Phone 7 General] phoneguy 4567:
I agree

What WP7 needs to be is the nice UI with the functionality of Android. If all WP7 has going for it is a great UI then they are/will be in trouble. Sad & frustrating really MS could have a real winner, but can't seem to get out of it's own way.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JonnieLasVegas:
I agree with most things OP said. My main gripe is no attachable videos (to mms), hopefully that will be fixed ASAP. But other than that I LOVE WP7!
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
I do not believe Android is the direction Microsoft wants to or is going to take Windows Phone. Windows Phone will be like iOS on several handsets.

I am very excited especially with Mix 2011. Beyond all the bickering what people fail to appreciate is we all have options. This board is not the "stick on one phone and just answer calls for 2 years" kind of population. We are the unlocked buying, phone bricking, contract breaking, ebaying community. We own more phones in a few months than some people do in years, which we break and fix over and over.

And Android vs Windows is like which woman to marry. You will love and hate both for different reasons. Cheat on them, leave them and beg to get taken back. But there is no right or wrong, just different. Such is the way of women and cellphones.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sayonical:
Good post! Agreed with all your points.

I am a early adopter but I tend to stick with my device lol. I had the G1 from launch all the way up to the wp7 HD7 I have now. Never upgraded my G1 because I just knew it wasn't the right fit for me, though I enjoyed it far more than I did my windows mobile phone I had first.

Since Mango is guaranteed for all WP7 device, I just might hold onto this HD7 till death do us part :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] conantroutman:
Ok folks.......

Merged the Android vs WP7 thread into this one and stickied it.......

This should now be the ONLY place for those who want to discuss which is the better OS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Necroman_AI:
Shouldn't the first post be upgraded since we now have much more info since the first time it was created/editer back in April 2010? It doesn't even have copy/paste for instance witch WP7 now supports...

And people reading that will not get all the facts. I mean, WP7 wasn't even out yet!
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
You are overlooking the intention of this thread. This is a necessary garbage collection thread. I won't bother going any further, but I wonder if it will work.
[Windows Phone 7 General] zdncs:
choose from wp7 or android

hello everyone,now i'm using samsung galaxy s i9000,since the ui of wp7 is fresh and simple,i am wandering if it is worthy that i choose hd7?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Necroman_AI:
Understood.... I just bothered since WP7 or other OSes users could come here to get real info, but this is not the case, as the info is outdated.
[Windows Phone 7 General] truffle1234:
WP7 is the OS to bet on as they have done almost everything right this time

1. Write it from scratch.

2. Closed OS

3. Nokia will use it as there Primary OS, which means WP7 strip down version will be on the cheap Nokia phones (somehow)

4. windows will have a unify app for all platforms.

5. Cloud computing.

6. MS will have access to Nokia apps when nokia is on WP7

7. WP7 is been pushed in to the enterprise market.

WM 6.5 is dead, meego suppose to be Nokia Smartphone OS but now nokia is committed to WP7 I have no clue what will happen to it. Web OS????

now left iOS and Android, I will not say anything who will be where but when MANGO is out then I think we all can clearly tell which OS will be better....

as we All know iOS did not have multi tasking till iPhone4 and they sold hell a lot of devices. mango will change a lot of things for WP7 and there will a lot of apps which are only on iOS and android will be on WP7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
WP7 is not a rewrite from scratch...
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
What is it then?

Edit:

Here is the vague, official answer:

Windows Phone 7 is based on the Windows Embedded CE kernel – the next generation of the Windows Embedded CE platform will be Windows Embedded Compact 7 when released, and the current version is Windows Embedded CE 6.0 R3. Although Windows Phone 7 was built on the Windows Embedded CE kernel at its core, the Windows Phone team has incorporated innovative features and functionality on top of the platform to develop an OS specifically designed to meet the needs of mobile phone manufacturers.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nicksti:
I never said it was a rewrite. You are so abrasive with your responses.

I asked a question because I did not know. I think people do that. Then I looked it up on Wikipedia. And it supported what you said: it is based on something that was out before and is not a rewrite.

Us people can read too just like you. And I was not aware that I was writing a thesis and needed to cite sources.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ohgood:
that last bit about mango-

remember when ME was touted as so much better, then xp, then vista, and finally 7 (that actually is metric **** tons better !!) so do we have to wait for wp8 or wp8.5 for it to be true ? just going by recent microsoft OS history, mind you. :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
I wasn't aware that it was common practice for people to quote something and then not give the source where they got it from...

Oh wait...

But no, WP7 isn't even close to a rewrite. It's more like a revamp, that is all.

The rewrite, or rather - full migration, will come when they move to an NT-based system.

And yes, they should be embarassed at what they released, "first version" or not...
[Windows Phone 7 General] mattd123:
I think android wins, and these are my views:

iphone-

+most user friendly

+best touch interface (pinch zooming scrolling etc is slick and easy)

+a large collection of apps

+itunes is good in some ways to keep everything organised, but some things are annoying as hell

+big jailbreak scene

-extremely heavy app censorship, which leads to jailbreaking, then piracy (step backwards? lol)

-only one device

-ui needs a re-vamp, its a bit old now

-no file browsing, device is locked down

android

+freedom! :D

+wide range of devices

+file browsing, ability to install any apps

+CUSTOM ROMS

-official updates are left in the hands of the phone developers, leading to ****ty ui ports (xperia x8/x10) for example

-an itunes equivalent, made by google (including media player) would be nice, but with freedom to add apk's and transfer music on AND off your device, and sync your files and bringing updates (replacing SEUS in my case)

-some android devices are released with insufficient power and cause heavy lag on the ui, notably the ebay ones.

-WHY DID THEY MAKE IT EFFORT TO GET SUPERUSER??

windows phone 7

+sexiest looking, smooth animations, awesome menus

+hardware req's high and leads to a few, monsters of phones...hd2 for example :D

+new

-10 apps -_-

-locked down a bit

-no filebrowsing

-small, but growing scene (jailbreak or equivalant?)

wp6.5

its just suckish :L

So yeah, android FTW.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dazza9075:
not too bad but you failed right there, WM6.5 is a powerhouse of an OS, it can do more than any other mobile platform out there and has a massive userbase.

yes its sluggish, yes its not so pretty (although sense makes it similar to android) but its a beast of an OS in just about everyother way

Dual/tri boot WM6.5 (SD android (not to fussed bout this any more)) and WP7 on my HD2 and ill have everything i could ever need! :)