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[XPERIA X10 General] cashaw:
But please don't confuse applications which are resident in the kernel as being processes which are draining the battery... Moxier is resident but if it is not being used is not a problem...

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[XPERIA X10 General] saltorio:
Fair enough. I've disabled TaskPanel. We'll see how my battery fares without it over the course of this evening.
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
Hi, yes I've noticed that.. but it also seems to make the rest of the phone sleep properly too... which it doesn't do when I've switched wifi off fully.... therefore the battery last a whole heap longer... (all thanks to "sleep when screen off" wifi mode.)
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
Do you have the wifi sleep policy set to "sleep when screen off".. works wonders for my battery life.

Seriously.
[XPERIA X10 General] Cryson:
Well, you're right. But processes like. Mail will open again, so you don't miss a thing.

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[XPERIA X10 General] orochiguyver:
I tried the "Reset to Factory Default" on my X10 and can say that my X10 was actually WORSE after doing it - It went down from 100>37 in 9.37 hours OVER NIGHT (so I was asleep and it was doing nothing but idling)!

Im taking it back today for a swap and really hoping for the best and that it is my X10 that is just messed up.

Worryingly I have met 3 other X10 owners over the last week all saying theirs also only lasts about 12-15hours!

Im currently at a loss!
[XPERIA X10 General] tuxStyle:
Is a smartphone, 15h is a good time if you use it.

If you turn off everything will last more :P but will be just a dumb phone.
[XPERIA X10 General] Willey1986:
Yes if u use it and it still lasts 15 hours thats great, but if u don't use it for example while sleeping there is something called "standby" and SE sais the x10 has ~400 hours of standby time not 15!
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
<<<test results>>>

Hi All,

I've done a test over the weekend whereby I have switched task manager and startup auditor switched off..

The result is simple.. The phones battery lasted me for c.40 hours before it went down to 10%..

Conclusion - TASK MANAGER AND START UP AUDITORS DO NOT HELP YOUR BATTERY LIFE AND MOXIER IS NOT DRAINING THE BATTERY.

I left my phone on last night and it went into sleep mode... in 9 hours it dropped by about 10%. (3g/2g on, wifi on, syncing 30 mins)..
[XPERIA X10 General] KooolaNL:
after 2 charge cycle

Got my phone out of the store with 50% battery and i let it drain

Then fully Charge with slow USB then used it a bit and it went down fast

Recharged again with the wall charger and from 15:00 -> 19:00 i wasnt doing alot accept for wifi useage and uninstalling some apps it went from 100% -> 92%

dont know if thats bad or not
[XPERIA X10 General] orochiguyver:
Precisely my point - IF I were using it for the 15 or even 5 hours then itd be great but its giving me 15 hours with about 3 hours actual useage time (perhaps even less!).

Ive swapped mine today so lets see if this new one does any better for me.

The fix from SE cant come faster!
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
@orochiguyver - Have you installed Juice plotter?? if you haven't, you should.. it won't do anything directly for your battery life, but it will show you how it's behaving.. ie.. when you're not using your phone it should be going into sleep mode and only draining by 1-2% an hour... do you have everything switched (auto updates/ location services etc...?)
[XPERIA X10 General] dunny:
My battery is draining about 2-5%/hour under moderate to heavy usage ie playing music/movies/games, browsing, gps, calling etc. I don't even use task killer anymore. The thing that made the most difference for me was turning off my data connection when it wasn't being used. When I had it on 24/7 battery was draining ~10%/hour under similar conditions. It was even worse when my phone was constantly looking for a strong signal. I can easily go a full day without having to charge.
[XPERIA X10 General] ellip705:
I have two smart phones.

I have two touch phones.

One is Sony X10a and one is Samsung Galaxy Spica.

Samsung's battery life is two day(turns on GPS, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, Sync, also some times played music)

Sony is less than 1 day ( turn off GPS, WiFi, Blue tooth)

I have so many mobile things such as cellphone, nds, psp, mp3 player, bluetooth, Digital camera, laptop, ...etc

Most important things for mobile tools is battery life!!!

Sorry for poor writing.
[XPERIA X10 General] onuris21:
I still keep taskpanel, not because to save battery life, but because it frees up memory available.

I found that after 3 weeks of use, my battery can last longer then initial. I guess the periodical charging does help the battery lifespan?
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
Hi - you don't need it for memory management either - Linux will stop tasks which are not required to free up memory if it needs more... principle being that empty memory is wasted memory..
[XPERIA X10 General] tuxStyle:
How big is the display on your spica and what CPU is using? ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
It's a 3.2" hvga 320x480 display. Website Doesn't say which processor it is. Just that it's 800 mhz.

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[XPERIA X10 General] orochiguyver:
I have yeah... Shocking first night charge for the new x10- drained 100% in 5 hours THEN didnt accept charger! it started to charge randomly soon after - that better be a one time glitch! Ill give it a week before a pass judgement on the new one so I can break into the battery on full charge>discharge cycles.

This time around I will not install Juice Defender (or whatever it was called :-) ) and see how I do. Im going to test using the phone for a week without any auto task kills or task managers installed and see how it goes. With Juice plotter, can it show what apps are draining at what points or is it just a graph showing rate of decline?

If indeed everyones X10s are of the same elk, then I can only assume that the urban surroundings I am in are causing the phone to constantly seek or switch 3G signal posts in turn leading to a higher drain BUT this is in no way acceptable - bottom line is that I expect to be able to USE my smartphone AND not have to constantly recharge more than once in 24hrs - I dont think thats too much to ask for... esp for such an expensive piece of kit.

I love it, just the battery life and slow update to the new OS are two major downsides that need to be sorted out and fast!
[XPERIA X10 General] cartel85:
Hello,

Im following this thread for a while now (only reading). My x10 could only lest for about 10 hours. I did the most things they mentioned here (format micro sd, reset phone, atk, etc.)

Nothing worked...untill i decided to swap the stock 8GB micro sd whit my own sandisk micro sd.

For me its clear as possible....the stock micro sd caused all the battery drain.

My advice to you folks is to give it a try!!
[XPERIA X10 General] Bennachie:
Location services is the biggest drain I find.

Why wiould changing the sd card improve matters?
[XPERIA X10 General] cartel85:
I dont know for shure, maybe the cheap thing just sucks:confused:.

Just try it...and you will definetly see some improvements.
[XPERIA X10 General] thecuso:
My xperia x10 has been unplugged for 42 hours and the battery shows 41% remaining. Wifi on and casual web browsing, gmail, etc. AWESOME!

All I did was not kill apps and forget about the battery issues.
[XPERIA X10 General] saltorio:
My battery usage has been getting significantly better the past few days. Not really sure what's changed other than disabling TaskPanel and Startup Auditor, but I did both of those after I had already started to see the improvements (disabling them seems to have made no difference, so I'm leaving them off).
[XPERIA X10 General] orochiguyver:
Can you take a screen shot of your Battery Usage screen and post pls? It would be interesting to see what is draining your battery but allowing you to get such high usage. Are you on full 3G with timescape on auto update, FB/Gmail on auto update etc?

My newly swapped X10 seems to be holding charge for about the same as my last BUT its managed to get to that after 1 charge cycle whereas my first took over a week to get to its poor 15-16hr life...

The SD card thing could be either - a) its a cheap and nasty SD card OR b) its a very high speed SD card (higher speed requires more juice to power). What speed is the SD card people have put into the X10 and what is the speed of the original Sd card that comes with the X10?
[XPERIA X10 General] mark28:
I've had my xepria for about 2 weeks but I just now started the full charge cycle because I thought it just meant charging it fully I didn't know it REALLY meant allowing it to Discharge fully until it turns off then charging it. Well anyway what I wanted to ask is do you think its to late to improve my battery and I might have to start over with a new one?
[XPERIA X10 General] Phantasm4489:
I thought I had figured out where the power drain was coming from on my phone following receiving or sending sms messages. Theres been a lot of talk of moxier running taking up battery even when its not configured. well moxier runs in the background on my phone at startup and has never been configured but does not noticably affect battery life.

I made a list of all of the running apps and then made note of which ones started on receiving sms and the main culpret I could see was the playnow service. I watched the battery life draining away over the next hour and then killed the playnow process and battery usage returned to its previous level. I repeated this a couple of times and was convinced that I had figured it out - however this morning I received an sms while I was charging the phone and playnow process started up but after removing the power the phone is using battery at a minimal rate.
[XPERIA X10 General] :
Hello there, I have installed Helix Launcher yesterday, after that my battery usage it's the very best. Can someone try to install it and tell me if get an improvement in the power usage?

My general use and info:

Number of desktop: 5

Widgets: SE Clock, TimeScape, Weather & Toggle Widget, Quick settings, Process Manager, Battery Status

3G: Full time on with google sync (calendar, contacts and email)

Wifi: Mostly off

GPS: Mostly off

Bluetooth: About four hours per day [Today: zero hours]

Camera: About ten pictures per day [Today: two pictures]

Free memory > 50 Mb

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Tested for: 2.5 hours - Drained battery: 2%

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I will update it in four hours :D
[XPERIA X10 General] Phantasm4489:
how much of an improvement did you see? I'm using helixlauncher but i cant say I noticed much of a difference after installing it - but then again I wasnt looking for one so I could have missed it.
[XPERIA X10 General] Jayne:
desktop

Hi Ondoteam I have looked on android market and cannot find Helix Launcher but when looking on the web it says it is for 2.1. well the Xperia X10 is only 1.6 how have you managed to get it?
[XPERIA X10 General] Phantasm4489:
helix launcher gives you the ability to have 5.
[XPERIA X10 General] :
A lot... check at bottom

I have installed version 1.2. Check the following link http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=645683 You must download de DONUT version at the bottom on download page :D

My general use and info:

Number of desktop: 5

Widgets: SE Clock, TimeScape, Weather & Toggle Widget, Quick settings, Process Manager, Battery Status

3G: Full time on with google sync (calendar, contacts and email)

Wifi: Mostly off

GPS: Mostly off

Bluetooth: About four hours per day [Today: zero hours]

Camera: About ten pictures per day [Today: two pictures]

+ Call time: 35 minutes 25 seconds

+ SMS R/S: 1/2

Free memory > 68 Mb

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Tested for: 4 hours - Drained battery: 12%
[XPERIA X10 General] Jayne:
helix launcher

Hi I have just looked on the Market on my X10 and searched for both Helix Launcher and de DONUT and the search comes up with nothing found! how do I get it please?
[XPERIA X10 General] instigator008:
Here you go:

http://db.tt/mMuHWO
[XPERIA X10 General] :
My general use and info:

Number of desktop: 5

Widgets: SE Clock, TimeScape, Weather & Toggle Widget, Quick settings, Process Manager, Battery Status

3G: Full time on with google sync (calendar, contacts and email)

+ Wifi: Mostly off [Today: 15 minutes surfing the web]

GPS: Mostly off

Bluetooth: About four hours per day [Today: zero hours]

+ Camera: seven pictures

+ Call time: 50 minutes 57 seconds

+ SMS R/S: 1/2

+ eMails R/S: 1/1

Free memory > 68 Mb

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Tested for: 13 hours 33 minutes - Drained battery: 63%
[XPERIA X10 General] robiceli:
Hey

I thought I'll update my X10s battery experience - after about 1 month now since I am in possesion of the phone, and am on my 17 charge now, my battery lasted over 4 days now! (4 days and 12 hours to be more precise - see my uploaded pics in my profile) and this with normal usage. That means, about 1 hour phone calls since the last charge, and still got 27% left. All this with about 30mins of internet browsing via 3g network only (i completely disabled wi-fi) and listening to some mp3 tunes for about 1 hour. As I told you before in my first comment, my first charges didn't last anywhere near to 24 hours. But the more I used the phone, the better the battery got. And also I'd like to add that this is NOT the first time it's on for 4days. My battery record was 4 days and 22 hours, and this with normal usage that includes internet, music, phone calls, etc. I think if I wouldn't use the phone at all, It'd go for over 5 days without any issues. Oh and by the way, I am a prepaid user, my phone was sim-free when I bought it, not branded at any networks - I don't know if this makes any difference at all anyway.

So the little "secret" is - the more you use your phone, the better your battery life gets over time.

Good luck
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
Hi. Can you let us know which firmware build your phone is running on? your usage is quite light compared to a lot of people on here so I think that many would be happy if they got a full unrestricted days use out of it. I am now. Using the handset a fair bit and getting c. 18 hours.

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[XPERIA X10 General] robiceli:
My baseband version is 1.0.14 and Build number is R1FA014 and yes, I am using my phone on a daily basis. True, I don't play with it every second but I do use it when needed. Mainly for internet, music, texting and phone calls. I know this may not apply to other users out there but hey, for me it's a pretty decent step-up compared to the first days I had with the phone when I had nothing but bad battery life with almost the same usage as now. With 'almost' i mean - because it was my new purchase, I wanted to explore my new phone so I played with it more than I am doing right now.
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
Thanks. Do you keep 3g off when you're not using it? and have you got juice plotter? I've noticed that my handset won't sleep when 3g is on. Mines an unbranded UK handset on vodafone.

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[XPERIA X10 General] robiceli:
Welcome:) Yes, I do turn 3g off at night when not in use. And no, didn't use juice plotter or any task killing apps anymore. I used to use Taskiller to kill the Moxier app but later I realised that this didn't made any significant change to my battery life so I removed the app.

Try disabling 3g network at night when not in use and also if you're using wi-fi for browsing, try reducing the usage of it and use 3g instead if possible. You should see some improvements. It sure helped me.
[XPERIA X10 General] HunteronX:
Same for me - with wifi and 3g off the phone went from 98% to 94%, between 7:00am to 4:10pm, with about 4 time checks, and two 3min calls. (Not exactly sure... :confused:)
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
Cheers! I also removed juice DEFENDER and task manager last week and agree that neither were making any difference. Juice plotter just plots your battery usage though. Shows me that when wifi is on. The phone sleeps and I get c. 1% drain per hours. But when 3g is on I get about 5% drain per hour even when I'm not using the phone.

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[XPERIA X10 General] telnet05:
I haven't configured an account with moxier but the battery still drains quite fast.
[XPERIA X10 General] Belazor:
Thats the thing though, Moxier app loads itself all the time even if I have not configured anything :mad:
[XPERIA X10 General] bclope:
I have disabled moxier services and mosly every background task with Startup Auditor and still the battery drains like crazy by simply laying the phone on a table...

Guys, I think it is not the CPU who drains the battery it is how the software interacts with the radio, it forgets to switch off something in the radio chips when idling.
[XPERIA X10 General] roanmy:
I did my first ever battery test while sleeping!

At 01.40, it had 45%, at 09.00 when I woke up, it had 41%.

4%... I don't think this is a lot, though.

I updated mine last night, so seemingly it uses less battery when it's actually being used now. Oh, and I'm on my third day now on this charge!
[XPERIA X10 General] Baxxx:
Hi!

After reading about Moxier i put Moxier to the Killer-List of TaskPanel to make sure it doesnt run. (I don't use Moxier, and dindnt ever set up an account)

Befor i had a Battery drop rate of about 12-15 % per hour, today i unplugged at 7:40, now it is 10:00 and i have 97 % Battery left !!!! :D

I'll keep watching the battery and will report to you!

Bax

maybe thats the solution for coming through the day ...
[XPERIA X10 General] CharlesW123:
Battery testing

Had my X10 for a few days now and like most smartphones these days the battery is nowhere near as good as on a bog standard phone (the price to pay for all the goodies). With 3G enabled (I get a very good 3G signal where I live) and my phone left on overnight with all the sync options enabled (Timescape set to sync every 15 mins and Goggle mail sync enabled), with the phone on and screen off the battery drained by 32% overnight (8 hours exactly) without it being touched.

Last night I disabled all the syncing and turned 3G off and left it again overnight (7 hours this time) and the battery only drained by 3%!!

Methinks an app like UltimateJuice will be installed to turn off 3G etc. automatically overnight and see if that makes a difference, but I think like 99% of people who have the phone, having syncing disabled during the day makes having the phone pretty redundant!

Any suggestions/ideas on how to improve things then let me know, will post my findings on using UltimateJuice tomorrow.

UPDATE: Just another observation. When charging the phone via the usb connected to a laptop (running XP Pro SP2) when the battery reaches 100% the charging cuts off and the battery then starts to drain, unless the usb cable is disconnected and reconnected. Sure when it's plugged into AC power once the battery is full it stays on 100% and just uses AC power (may be wrong though) ?
[XPERIA X10 General] bclope:
Again, it is something wrong when the phone is in 3G, when it is in GSM mode only, power usage is similar to the rest of android phones, one working day more or less...this is why there are divided opinions in the forum, depending on the main kind of coverage you have in your area.
[XPERIA X10 General] Trekster:
This happens with the charger as well. If you don't unplug it drops to 95% and charges back to 100% and so on...it seems it's unable to trickle charge...are we back in 1990? :P
[XPERIA X10 General] strix75:
s...........
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
I think you're right about this - I've switched just about everything off.. only synching when I ask it to etc.. stayed in a good signal area for most of the day.. down to 10% (from 100%) after c.9Hrs 30Mins..

Cell Standby was showing as using c.48% of the power... This just aint right.. any ideas?
[XPERIA X10 General] Trekster:
Only thing we can do about that is turn off either a)3G b) the radio completely...

but then we could as well have bought a nokia "classic" phone if we wanted that!

SE needs to fix this asap...
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
Yeah - Seems like a SE fix required - I mailed them earlier through their support site.. would recommend everyone does that to make sure they know.. I bought my wife a HTC Legend yeaterday - She's had that on since 0600 this morning and the battery's still almost full!!
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
Trying to narrow down the problem

I've switched Data and MMS off.. to see if it's the GSM that's causing the drain, or the GPRS/ 3G element.. Will let you know how I get on!
[XPERIA X10 General] telnet05:
Ι've send the an email too through the support site. Will get back when i get an answer.
[XPERIA X10 General] Flamso:
I have the same problem with the battery as most people here. I've never used Moxier and probably never will! The part that bugs me out is that I used the battery I had in my X1 when I first got my X10 and it drains just as fast. I use Gmail a lot and it syns now and then. Could that be what's causing the drain on the battery? Or could it be the Phonebook which syncs with Googles server quite often? I don't know. Killing most apps doesn't change much.

And the pain is that I always charge my phones when I sleep so it will last all day but with the X10 the battery is dead after about 8-10 hours after I've disconnected it. That's pretty useless.

And hey, don't get me wrong. I love my new phone. :)
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
Update following last nights test.

Ok. I left 3g and gprs off overnight last night. This morning it was down to 60% which is about 3 times better than previous. I've switched gprs on this morning left 3G off. Lets see how that goes.
[XPERIA X10 General] OwLOwLOwL:
Calibration...

I had really bad powerdrain the first 5-6 charges.. and then suddenly it was really good!

Now I have at least 3 full days of battery on a single charge... with moderate use... some surfing, 4h of BT, wifi, some GPS, some camera usage, ~45min phone calls, 3G/UMTS all the time... normal use...

It seems that there was some sort of battery capacity calibration going on when the device was new.. I think that the values reported in the UI was not the actual value in the battery.

I do not turn any applications off with the help of task killer or any other task manager.

Just my 5 cents.. I'm now a happy camper!

Just be patient and see if your power is better after a weeks use!

EDIT: During the first night I had the phone the "flight mode" drained about 50% of my battery.... tonight it used just 4%.. that is a factor 12 in improvement!!!

I use .16 firmware

Regards // OwL
[XPERIA X10 General] shingers5:
as with most batteries optimum use is achieved after 1st 3-4 charging cycle. during this time the phones needs to be allow to completely discharge prior to recharging. this allows all the cells to get that kick they need to do thier thing. i have had them all from iphones, htc's, nokia's and sony's etc and on average use most smartphones or pocket pc's need daily charge. i tend to charge at night prior to going bed for next day. some exception like htc hero, nokia n95 8gig and few others may stretch to 2-3 days but really 1.5 to 2 is most common. i dont switch anything of phone ever and got just under 1.5 days on my x10 from 1st charge. charging right now. what i will say that for a 1500 mah battery that is not very good as most phone are at 1000 - 1100 mah. will keep checking

ps

this is my opinion from my extensive use of phones and working in the industry. i am not starting a flaming convo..........!
[XPERIA X10 General] Flamso:
I know that's true with older battery tech but with Li-Ion? I've read that if you let these batteries discharge completely a couple of times you'll lose an extreme amount of performance. Can't really say what's true though. :)