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[Windows Phone 7 General] VKris:
^^

Thanks for sharing your experience.....I'm still not able to decide whether I should go for WP7 or not...your above post has been very useful to clarify some doubts I had.

It does look like WP has missed some obvious features. Custom ringtone issue does seem very silly. I hope they will fix this in the upcoming updates.

If you dont mind, could you mention which handset you actually got.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Jola66:
I have the Trophy, not a top of the line phone but Verizon has been very late to the WP7 game.

Im still getting use to it and I like the interface, but if you really really want full customization and lots of free apps for next to anything you can imagine, you may want to lean towards Android.

Im still not sure if Im going to keep this or go back to an Android phone. I really am hoping this whole Chevron Unlock thing opens up some doors. I may take a gamble and stick with this for a while longer. If all else fails, I can always get a used Android phone on Ebay and go back. I want to like WP7 but I think it has a long way to go.

And I really hate to sound like im a troll or fanboy, but having used the Trophy now for a day, after leaving Android, if Im honest with myself I think Im going to have a hard time really being glad I made the switch. I have to be honest, Android really offers so much and there are a lot of different Android phones out there.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Jola66:
I just wanted to add that Im not meaning to turn anyone off WP7 entirely. I mean, Im going to probably stick with it and see how it goes. But you do need to be aware that there are some limitations right now. Overall, I do like the OS and I even like the Tiles, just wish they were more customizable.

Oh, and just in case you like porn ;), or other sites that use Flash/Java. You cant view them on WP7 and probably never will. People say Flash will be going away, but sorry, that isnt going to happen any time soon. There are a lot of sites that require flash, im not talking Youtube, but there are tons of other sites out there. I loved how I could view nearly any site, Desktop version, with Dolphin HD on my Android. I could view webcam sites, listen to different audio streams, watch video on pretty much any site. You cant with WP7.

And back to the ringtone thing. It is so damn annoying. You cant set up your own custom notification sounds. Ringtones, sure you can make, but the process is a pain, mainly due to the stupid file size/type restrictions.

But do yourself a favor and if you know anyone that has a WP7, see if theyll let you play around with it. Do the same with an Android phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] VKris:
:eek: this is enough to strike off WP7 from the list...:p

dont worry abt influencing my viewpoint....I needed user opinion and this is exactly what I see in your post. keep posting your opinion as you get used to the OS.

Flash is not such a big thing for me....got used to browsing with iPad. Custom ringtone, as much as it is annoying, I can wait till they fix it with future software updates. but lack of outlook sync is a big deal for me. Exchange sync alone is not enough and I'm not very keen to learn new tricks with Hotmail just to make sure my contacts are in sync. I posted a similar question under Windows 8 section and got a reply that MS will not look into this archaic tech...sadly this old trick works really well for me.

I have hands on experience with Android, my wife uses a Xperia Mini Pro. I bought it for her as soon as it was launched....it started as one of the worst handsets I have handled and through a couple of software updates, turned into a cool device....several functions added and existing functions updated to work properly. This gives me confidence that the newer versions are only going to be better.

I guess I will wait to see how the user feedback for Moto Razr is, a week after launch and take a decision.
[Windows Phone 7 General] meandu229:
Originally Posted by Jola66

Oh, and just in case you like porn , or other sites that use Flash/Java. You cant view them on WP7 and probably never will.

this is enough to strike off WP7 from the list...

You can just click the mp4 (usually says something like for the ipad) link below on most sites and it will stream the mp4 for you nicely and full screen,
[Windows Phone 7 General] Jola66:
Ill look for that. I really like the thought of being able to view different videos and video feeds when Im not at home, which I could do with ease on the Android. I could view just about anything, live streaming, etc.

Ill look for what you said but unfortunately, I think that option you mentioned will be very limited.

I still like WP7 though. I just hope we get some very good developers brewing up some better apps sooner or later.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sunary:
best is WP7

:)
[Windows Phone 7 General] truffle1234:
why are we still talkikng about dead OS...

i mean Meego, Web OS and WM 6.5...
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
I assume you mean because of Mango. Windows Phone 7.5.

For some reason this thread is still sticky.

It might have been relevant and accurate for the first 6 months, but it was not even accurate in August when I got my phone, which was before Mango.

I would like to see this thread become not sticky. Keeping it sticky only steers people to Android with inaccurate information. The OP is not maintaining it. And there is so much inaccurate infromation in the thread now.

I would even say the whole thread could just be deleted.

Or change the title to indicate that it is outdated. Maybe add [OUTDATED] to the title.
[Windows Phone 7 General] xsteven77x:
Wp7 was junk then and is now. That's not really outdated.
[Windows Phone 7 General] scoobysnacks:
Quit being a fanboy...

I just came from android and they both have their strong points.

It definitely isn't junk, it is a lot smoother than android, though the app selection isn't very good imo
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
I don't agree that Windows Phone 7 or 7.5 are junk.

Despite that, that fact still remains that the comparison in the thread does not include anything that 7.5 Mango brought to the game.

Since anyone actualy wanting to use this thread to make a decision would likely not have a Windows Phone 7 or 7.5, it seems that it would be important to include stats since Mango's release.

Without it, the thread has no value to the Windows 7 forums and therefore has no reason to be sticky.
[Windows Phone 7 General] truffle1234:
i mean by Meego, WebOS, and WM 6.5... all dead, no point talking about it..
[Windows Phone 7 General] :
Why all the complaining? Why don't you just update it and make a new thread?
[Windows Phone 7 General] JVH3:
#1. Without personal experience with iOS, I would not feel comfortable describing its features.

#2. My Android experience is limited to Android running on a Tilt 2 which is substandard hardware compared to current Android devices.

#3. I don't personally think the comparison belongs in the Windows Phone 7 section, since it is not really about Windows Phone 7. It belongs in the Windows Phone 7 section as much as it belongs in the Android section. A thread dedicated to the description of Windows Phone 7 features belongs here. With possibly a link to a thread with Android features in the Android section, but this thread does not fit in this section.

#4. This thread would still remain sticky, so it would appear before mine, no matter how good or accurate my thread would be.

#5. It would likely turn into the same thing this thread has degenerated to. Android Fanboys and Windows Phone 7 Defenders. A bunch of back and forth pissing matches between a few individuals. Some would turn ugly. Some would stay civil, but pretty sure you would see at least 1 person say retarded or stupid.

#6. It will suffer the same fate of irrelevancy as this thread as soon as the next update of any of the compared platforms is release.
[Windows Phone 7 General] epedrocost:
now i'm even more indecise ... :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] xHausx:
Well, seeing how the OP hasn't even logged in for over a year and a half I guess it probably is time to take this down. If anyone would like to create a new thread and update it I would be more than happy to replace it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Why it will only become a flam fest, anyways.
[Windows Phone 7 General] kool-ed:
12 apps a folder, up to 180 folders on the Springboard (hence the 2160)

BTW, still wondering if MS is going to change the app list display. For now the OS can show only 8 apps a page, without any options of grouping or sorting, and i find it terrible
[Windows Phone 7 General] Fa7my:
I know I have annoyed you with this already enough for now.. but here's what I could find about the Maemo 5 OS.. I added it in your chart..

Feel free if you want to modify anything..
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
Thanks, will look at it tomorrow, cause I'm currently setting up a new computer. ;)

Do you know something about Symbian?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Fa7my:
Symbian?? Yeah kinda, my brother owns a Nokia N70 & a friend of mine has the N97.. just tell me what you need to know and I'll try to dig it out for you :)

Congrats on the new computer by the way ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] eaglesteve:
Good effort, OP. I hope you keep your viewpoint as objective as possible, although many people have the tendency to be biased toward their own choice platform.

How about other aspects of comparison, such as:

- Quality of the display under bright sunlight.

- Biggest screen size available for that OS

- Highest resolution available for that OS

- Biggest storage capacity (either internally and/or with MicroSDHC card) available for that OS.

- Full OS firmware update for the life of the device and weather the vendor would simply abandon the buyers and expect them to keep buying a new phone every year?

- Degree of fragmentation. Will all the applications that you bought still work when you change phone?

- Consistency of copy and paste implementation. Or do you have two to three different methods of copy and paste depending on hardware vendor and application?

- Accuracy and responsiveness of screen technology. How would it perform under the "robotic touchscreen test".

Your iPhone 4.0 is non-jailbroken? Why not also have another column for jailbroken iPhone 4.0?

BTW there are currently 185,000 applications.
[Windows Phone 7 General] eaglesteve:
BTW, there is really no limit on the number of applications on iPhone once you jailbreak and use Overboard. You will be able to go beyond 11 pages of screen. I don't believe you will need it though. 2160 is unlikely going to be reached by anyone I think.
[Windows Phone 7 General] eaglesteve:
Not true.

With iPhone, after talking you don't even need to touch the device for the navigation software to resume, if you just wait for the other party to hang up. If you want to terminate the call before the other party do, all you need to do is to end the call and Navigation software would resume.
[Windows Phone 7 General] eaglesteve:
How is this different from OS 4.0? Double click of home key will bring up recent applications (and no limit on how many recent applications!) which is arranged with the most recent ones first.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Spike15:
DUMB!

Well, pressing Back as opposed to:

-Double click of Home key

-Select app

So that's three keypresses/screen taps as opposed to one.

There's a difference of 300%!
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
Hm, it gets kinda complicated when you consider jailbreaking. I also think "illegal" methods should not be talked about when comparing the operating systems. The features should rather be there out of the box. People who jailbreak their devices will know about what the jailbreak gets them, they probably don't need that chart.

About the hardware, I can add more things there. Storage size is certainly interesting, since microSD cards are only available up to 32GB (and VERY expensive at that price), but some Android phones also come with internal memory, so this is somehow complicated as well...

Also the touchscreen technology. The HD2 has the best one, but there's no use for it, because the software is not there. The Nexus touchscreen is less accurate, but you hardly find any case where that matters.

I will think about how to include those things. Must set up my new PC first, though.

I'm not sure I should have included hardware in the firs place. :(
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
I think he was talking about leaving the dialer and going to the navigation app WHILE talking.

All of the operating systems take you back to where you were after hanging up, that's nothing special.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Spike15:
Well there's also the point that doing these unsupported things is just that...unsupported.

Comparing the operating systems is only relevant within the realm where their manufacturers support them.

P.S.: If you're going to include jailbroken iPhone, you need to include rooted Android.

You really shouldn't've...hardware is completely separate from software...

...

...but don't tell Apple that.

xD
[Windows Phone 7 General] eaglesteve:
Hope you don't let your own thread degenerate into another iPhone bashing thread.

I'm personally wanting to find a thread that seriously discuss Android as I have great interest in the upcoming HTC Supersonic. I'm not interesting in discussing on threads which are poisoned by fanboys's who would start calling names the moment they see anything that does not match their narrow mindsets though. If this is not going to be a place where objective discussion could be made, and if this is only a thread to push one's own bias, then I'll stop reading and posting here.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
You two should realize that the back button and the visual app switching have totally different uses.

Back is for going back, visual app switching is for quickly switching to any app that's running.

If you want to go back only one app, the back button is ouf course more useful (and I find it EXTREMLY annoying that there isn't one on the iPhone), but if you want to go to any other app, the visual app switching is better.

I think BOTH should be available (like on Android ;)).
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
Nah, I was just joking, cause there was so much red in his assessment. ;)

I wouldn't bash the iPhone. Though, as you might see from my own assessment, I find Android to be superior.

The uncoloured chart of course should not contain opinions, I'll try to keep that totally objective.
[Windows Phone 7 General] eaglesteve:
This is only a question of implementation. The only thing that matters is the ease of achieving the result, and here iPhone does it very well. I don't have any problem with Android using a different implementation, but it is not necessary a better implementation.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
Well, I don't agree there.

The iPhone does switching to any app very well, but only going back is certainly easier on WP7.

There are two different methods, I personally prefer to have them both and be able to choose which one to use (press back if I want to go back, open the app switcher if I want to switch to something else).

Android's implementation is not different. It just implements both methods. There's both a back button that works like in WP7 and visual app switching like on the iPhone.

(by the way, Apple's implementation is pretty much the same as an Android app called TaskOS, or the native "long press home button" implementation on Android - as if they copied it :D)
[Windows Phone 7 General] rorytmeadows:
I wouldn't mind if every thread ended up that way...

I want my task manager no matter what. Evil Jobs can stuff it up his arse if he thinks that people don't want a task manager. Sometimes I wish these earthquakes will send Californians into the depths of hell because I cannot stand anymore of this yuppie BS. Before the term metrosexual existed, we just called them yuppies.
[Windows Phone 7 General] eaglesteve:
You're wrong.

In iPhone, although you see only one hardware button, we use it to do both. Single press is the equilavent of your go back. Double press brings up the task switch list.

If you jailbreak it, then you could have no less than 20 ways and combination to perform this to suit your own preference. You could for example, swipe the taskbar to bring up the task list and switch application.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
No, I'm certainly not wrong.

You can't use the home button for going back to the previous app. You have to press it twice, the select the app.

There is no way of going back to the previous app with one click, not even after jailbreaking.
[Windows Phone 7 General] eaglesteve:
You are wrong.

If you jailbreak, you can have more than 20 ways to go not just to previous application but any other running applications. This include a single click as one of the possible choices. You could double press, short hold, single press, shake the device, press the power button twice, press the power buttong short hold, slide onto the screen from below, drag into the screen from bottom left, drag onto the screen from bottom right, double tap the status bar, tap and hold the status bar, tap and drag down from the status bar, tap and drag left on status bar, tap and drag right on stauts bar, tap on volume button up then down, tap on volume button down then up, etc, etc. No phone is as customizable as an iPhone in this regards.

If you jailbreak, you also have a CHOICE of how you want to multitask. Leave out backgrounder if you want Apple's "smart multitasking" to keep the performance and battery life, or install backgrounder to really your applications running in the background.

Go ahead and say that iPhone couldn't be customized.

There is a big difference between not knowing what iPhone can do versus what it can or cannot do.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
You can not have a way to go back to the previous app with one click.

I think you don't understand what we're talking about.

Anyway, I'm right.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Spike15:
Talk about hitting the nail on the head...
[Windows Phone 7 General] awilaman:
Why not include Palm webOS in the comparison?

I like this chart!! Hopefully, it will keep evolving!

I would, however, like to request the inclusion of the Palm webOS.

It seems that the mobile OS'es you are currently comparing are ones that one would consider as top next generation touch-based mobile operating systems.

And if this is the case, I believe that the webOS fits into that category.

It is probably the most accessible mobile OS (besides Android) since it will soon be available on 3 carriers (Sprint, Verizon and AT&T) in the US and multiple other carriers internationally. However, I can understand that not everybody has been exposed to the OS.

What I find most interesting about the platform is the community that has developed around the OS and the level of sophistication of the community. This is evident in the fact there is even an Over-The-Air and tethered installer for homebrew applications.

Seems like I am plugging for webOS, but I just started tinkering with it and I have been quite impressed!

Check out some more info:

Consolidated application gallery (official & homebrew)

http://www.precentral.net/app-gallery/

Homebrew development resource

http://www.webos-internals.org/wiki/Main_Page

Distribution Model

http://www.precentral.net/palm-reveals-open-web-distribution-webos-apps-beta-feed
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
Unfortunately, I also don't know enough about webOS.

If you provide me with the information, I will of course include it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Spike15:
I'm pretty sure WM6.x is this "accessible".

The reason people don't really talk about webOS, is because the devices suck.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
Bold statement.

On other platforms, you can choose between different task switchers even without jailbreaking.

I happen to have two installed on my phone, plus the native implementation, plus the back button. All without any hacking of course.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
Which is VERY, VERY unfortunate IMO. The OS looks impressive.

I hope HTC buy Palm and make webOS devices. :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] eaglesteve:
You want to bet? Just because you don't know of such a possibiliity does not mean it cannot be done. Yes, I'm talking about one click to the PREVIOUS application, not click then choose.

I personally do not use that method because I don't want to remember which is the previous application. We can circle the application like you do with Alt + Tab in PC either forward or backward but I prefer to just show the application and choose from there.

Bold statement to say that THIS aspect of operation is the most customizable in iPhone, but it is a fact.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
Well, then please find out how to do it. ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] eaglesteve:
Are you asking me to teach you? ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
I want to find out more, if there is more.

I still don't believe that it's possible, though. ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] eaglesteve:
Okay, as long as you're sincere in wanting to find out information, I'll tell you how to do it.

You install a Cydia application called Circuitous. In the setting, you assign which is the method you want to cycle forward in the active applications, and you assign a different method to cycle backward in the list of active application. You also assign a method to active the list of active application for you to choose. Therefore there are three aspects for you to assign method for activation available.

The methods of activation could be double press the home key, press and hold the home key, press home key once as normal, shake the device, quicly press the power button twice, press and hold the power button, use gesture to slide onto the screen from bottom, use gesture to slide onto the screen from bottom left, use gesture to slide onto the screen from bottom right, double tap the stauts bar, tap and hold on the status bar, tap and drag down from status bar, swipe left on the status bar, swipe right on the status bar, etc, etc. If you're on the springboard, you could also use pinch or spread to activate although this is not very useful IMO as you have to come to the springboard first.

So, you can have any combination of activation. For example, you would use swipe left on status bar to go to previous application, swipe right to next application, and single press of home key to bring up the list of application. The actual choice of how you want it to work is completely yours. I'm not exaggerating when I said it is the most customizable phone in this regards.