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[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
Swapped my handset today while I was in Halifax.... Kept my old battery (13 days old!).. still got the old SIM in there at the moment... The best thing was.. I set up my google sync.. and within about 10 seconds had all of my diary and contacts back.. brilliant!

and from 13.45 until 17.00 - a whole 3hours 15 mins.. my phone dropped by 3%.... It was running about at this level yesterday too.. but when it died I put it down to the radio packing in and therefore using less juice? I reckon that there's a whole host of things going on here...

I have reinstalled JuiceDefender (Ultimate) this is set to switch Wifi/ 3G/ APN off when the phone locks and only activates for 3 minutes an hour... also have my sync's (FB and Mail -Hotmail and googlemail - via Google sync) set to hourly. Have Task Manager (by Rhythm Software) running and auto killing moxier. Have screen brightness set to 20%.

Juice plotter currently saying 22 hours.. but i reckon that it might even be more than that..

ok.. so my twopence worth... the answers (!?)

Battery gets a lot better after a while (For me - almost 2 weeks of daily charges.. and a few of them were left over night)

Not convinced that Juicedefender actually helps (I'll switch it off for a day at the weekend and see - Saturday).

Not convinced that task killer actually helps either (will also switch that off at the weekend and see - Sunday - This will confirm the moxier mail theories, or refute them).

Unless your using the phone for Business use, why would you need your updates every 3 minutes... pick something more realistic.. I would think Hourly would be plenty for most people (of course there's bound to be a few out there who can't cope without knowing if they've had new mail for that long!!).

If you've been having trouble with the battery and you've loaded loads of apps onto it.. I'd suggest a factory reset (turned out to be a lot less scary than I feared!).. and then just start by using it in basic mode for a day.. then slowly add things in to see what does or doesn't make a difference.. It may well be different for everyone..
[XPERIA X10 General] Lcrkz0023:
Ratheen,

both my black and white one seems to be imported from Hong Kong. Im in USA with tmobile 3G (1700 band) and both have the .14 version and at the moment it wont let me update to 16. It says that im already updated to latest version. One was purchased from Timtechs.com and the other from Berryaccessories.com.
[XPERIA X10 General] ShadowFlare:
My X10 looks to be asian.... well Indonesian to be precise... since the only 2 manual there are in English and Indonesian. I live in UK.

Battery Update: 24 hours on and battery is at 70% with the last 7 hours on stand by while I sleep, losing 3% charge during this time. It has greatly improved from only barely 12 hours of battery life.
[XPERIA X10 General] Evostance:
Ok not even joking. Took my x10 off charge 10 minutes ago and in that time all I have done is check my email, check facebook and restart the phone. The battery is now on 90%.......

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[XPERIA X10 General] CharlesW123:
Wi-Fi bug ??

I have noticed the same as Owl above.

I have Juive Defender/Ultimate Juice installed, Start Auditor and Taskiller running sto stop any apps from running in the background. All automatic syncing disabled (Google, Gmail and Timescape) and have tested the last few nights and found the following.

- Wi-Fi enabled when at home only and used to surf etc. Phone put on charge until battery on 100% then at 11pm turned off Wi-FI and un-plugged the phone from AC and left on standby (screen off) overnight from 11pm until 6.40am (Alarm Clock set on phone to wake me up for work!).

The battery drained by 33% in 7hrs 40mins without me touching it or turning on the screen.

- Then last night after seeing Owls post (quoted above) I did the same as the night before BUT after fully charging the phone again, I disabled Wi-Fi again and then powered off the phone. Then rebooted it and again left it on standby overnight from 11pm to 6.40am again (when the alarm clock on the phone went off) and this time the battery only drained by 3% !!!

So my tip/suggestion is when you have been using Wi-Fi and aren't going to be for a good few hours then as well as disabling Wi-Fi also do a reboot off the phone (only takes about 30 seconds!) and you might just find that battery doesn't drain so much :)

FYI I am on a T-Mobile UK version of the phone on baseband 1.0.14, build R1FA014
[XPERIA X10 General] madmartymcfly:
thats pretty awesome, how many charge cycles did you do to see those results?

Thanks
[XPERIA X10 General] ShadowFlare:
I think I did 3 or 4 full recharge cycles from the point where the X10 switches off from complete battery drainage.

And this is with "GSM/WCDMA Preferred" mode too.
[XPERIA X10 General] brightonsblueeyedboy:
I too was having the same problem, I've had my phone 2 weeks, and have had to charge it from empty every night, sometimes I've even had to give it a full charge when I came in from work at 6pm!!! I hardly even use the phone during the day as I'm working apart from listening to music and send the odd text and the battery is on around 15% by the time I get home - the biggest drainage being down to phone idle and sleep (30% on each)

I tried several suggestions last night that have been posted here and so far today my battery life is 96% and I pulled the charger out at 7am this morning (it is now 1.45pm) - I'll see how it is this evening and post back.

Glad to see it isn't just me, was seriously annoying me!!!
[XPERIA X10 General] ShadowFlare:
I'm pretty sure that's mostly the Moxier app eating your battery. Since you didn't mention any task-killing app, install one and make sure Moxier stays killed each time your phone goes to standby mode. Other stuff are Autosync by Google & Facebook, perhaps either lower the frequency of syncs or disable it so you can sync them manually when you want.
[XPERIA X10 General] ratheen:
this has been my usage

basically shows that my phone consumes around 6-7% of battery every hour. this includes standby.

i have 3G pref set, sync on (where Gmail refuses to sync randomly) and have BT off when not in use

one thing to note though is that in the battery usage "Cell Standby" is always the highest consumer of battery with values of 45% or higher, while Cell Idle is lower at 30 something%

i really thing this should be the other way around.
[XPERIA X10 General] ratheen:
I am using mine on T-Mobile (USA) 3G as well, but i got mine from UK and mine updated to .16 on the first day.

thanks for the info, i just had a hunch that may be it was the hardware that is that fault, will dig around more
[XPERIA X10 General] Vin87:
My battery drained pretty much with 10-20% each hour on stand by. This was with 3G on, WIFI/BT/GPS off. However I think I've found the problem of my drain!

On 'Location' under settings, I had the first option checked, which enables the X10 to determine the location using Wifi/3G. That gave me a pretty high drain. Now I've unchecked it and I'm at 1-2% of drain each hour now :)
[XPERIA X10 General] Tjotte:
About those batteries.

I've been following a swedish forum about this issue aswell and ppls experience from that site is that it's the phone sync function that is killing their batteries. So make sure you manually kill this process when disconnecting from you usb/pwr supply AND as i glimpsed scrolling through the thread. make a factory reset as soon as you buy your phone (or whenever as long as your fully synced) this should also help improve battery life somewhat. I'm still eager to get my Luster White but i'll have to wait another 2 weeks or so couse a swedish mobile service provider (3) has exclusive rights to this colour of the device first four weeks from release :mad:
[XPERIA X10 General] boo6:
As i took mine off the charger this morning, it was already at 91%. :-)

Rebooting the phone increases my batterylife at least by 100%.
[XPERIA X10 General] Jksukino:
mm

wel my battery seems to keep at a certain level of battery power now when it's on standby.

and i'm still switching things of and on so guess it was just the battery being drained a few times to wake up?

if it continues like this i'm very happy
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
Well I'm very pleased for you.. you lucky B**ger !!

After I swapped my handset yesterday Mines back to square one.. and I kept the old battery too.... having said that I just switched wifi off and rebooted and it's stayed at 32% for an entire hour!!.. doing a few more tests tonight and will publish the results..

3g/GPRS on - GPS off - BT off

Wifi off (rebooted) - 6pm - 7pm - 32% - 32%

Location data switched off (rebooted) - 7pm-8pm - 32% -

Locn data off.. Wifi on (rebooted) - 8pm - 9pm

- surf for 15 mins 8pm- 8.15pm

- Left alone for 45 mins

Locn data on.. Wifi on (rebooted) - 9pm-10pm

- Surf for 15 mins

- Left alone for 45

Juice Defend and plotter deinstalled (Friday)

Task manager de-installed (Saturday)
[XPERIA X10 General] sungrad:
ok so im wondering if there is anything in this idea from Vin87 - determining the location via wireless network. I'm turning this off now and will let you know if I see any improvement :)
[XPERIA X10 General] brightonsblueeyedboy:
Really? I haven't even done anything with Moxier since taking it out the box and I haven't set up facebook on my x10. I did set the google sync as disable and also disabled the share location service with google. I'm on GSM only setting, my wifi and bluetooth are always off (wifi comes on for about half hour in the evening but then I turn it off). The only changes I made to my phone last night were the shared location service turned off, turned my screen brightness down from auto to minimum and downloaded juice defender.

My battery so far is on 87% which is a vast improvement on he last 2 weeks. Phone idle and standby battery usage is currently 41% and 42% but as I've only lost 13% since 7am this morning I am a 1 happy bunny!!!
[XPERIA X10 General] ShadowFlare:
I've had that option switched ON since day one, went through the worst battery life to now much improved battery life, option ticked all the time. So I'm guessing that won't do much difference if any.

Besides, I think that option is only working when using apps that locate your position, eg. Google Maps. But you'll want to use GPS instead of Mobile Networks to determine your position accurately anyway.

I've only just realize I should just switch OFF this option, I always have GPS on when using Google Maps.
[XPERIA X10 General] Saricorleone:
ive just installed that start up auditor app and disabled moxier mail from running , lets see if that makes a difference. My battery went from 100% to 15% from 11am to 5pm and I hardly used it, Sent about 3 text messages.
[XPERIA X10 General] ShadowFlare:
Looks like your battery is breaking-in, nice.

You don't have to touch Moxier for it to drain your battery, just having it running in the background does that for you. And Moxier auto-loads at start up, hence Task killing apps that can auto-kill is helpful.

It's past 36 hour mark and battery is at 58% now. Phone has been mostly on stand by.
[XPERIA X10 General] brightonsblueeyedboy:
So even though I haven't set up moxier (would be nice if I could remove it as I don't think I will ever use it), it will still auto load and run in the background? Will hunt down a task killer app and stop this nonsense!
[XPERIA X10 General] ShadowFlare:
Haven't seen any thread about being able to remove Moxier, so Task-killer is the only way for now. Don't know if you can if the X10 is rooted, but that's another story and I don't understand that very well.
[XPERIA X10 General] StampedChipmunk:
Just an update from my other posts -

Phone seems to be acceptable now. I took it off charge Wednesday morning at 8 am, hopped on a train to London, checked my emails a bit on the way up, let my boss have a play.

Off at Paddington, checked where to go on Tube map, popped out at Holborn and used GPS to point us in the right direction for our meeting.

Survived the meeting (just), checking Timescape three or four times in four hours.

Headed home and spent most of the return journey playing AirControl. Answered a phone call.

Idle fiddling throughout the evening, mostly checking timescape and updating Facebook.

Phone on side over night.

Yawn, woke up this morning. Checked phone a couple times through the morning - mostly Timescape - updated Facebook a couple of times.

Went out for lunch, got back at two to find phone flagging it's 15% warning.

Phone on Charge

-----------------

So what to take from that:

1) Phone lost 85% of battery in 41 hours of reasonable use

2) I used WiFi, A-GPS, a game (screen lit for over an hour), WCDMA and GSM (in London, go figure)

3) Smartphones rock - so much functionality and so much to use and so much that is useful!

I'm now satisfied.

P.s. didn't hit my Task-killer button all day
[XPERIA X10 General] sungrad:
i repeated exactly the same test last night, not one thing different, and exactly 8 hours later 15% of the battery had drained. Confused I opened up TasKiller and found that Moxier Mail had started up during the night.

Double the amount of battery was used because of Moxier starting up on it's own. Tut tut tut...
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
@stampedchipmunk

so... is there anything specific that you've done.. or did this just happen one day?! Have you got any Startup auditors/ managers? Ultimate Juice or anything similar? what settings have you changed from the default?
[XPERIA X10 General] Baggyb:
X10i debranded on Orange.

Battery life is terrible and Cell Standby accounts for 35% of this.

26% of Battery has been used whilst the phone has been idle.

I would consider myself a light user but still find i'm charging every night.

I'll break it down..............

I listen to music for approx 30mins a day

I browse for about 30mins

Timescape is setup for manual sync

3G signal is pretty strong within my area(s)

Approx 15 mins of calls per day.

Task Killer installed and frequently used.
[XPERIA X10 General] CharlesW123:
Wi-Fi is defo. at fault

Update from me. With me rebooting the phone everytime after using Wi-fi (and disabling wi-fi), the phone uses next to no battery power when left on standby.

I have Timescape/FB/Gmail set to not sync automatically, am running Juice Defender to disable APNs when on standby but have the phone set to GSM/WCDMA preferred (and do get a decent 3G connection in my area) and also have Taskiller running, so any apps left open get killed off when not in use.

As an example I fully charged my phone and it's not been charged not for close to 47 hours and I still have 31% battery left :)

In the time it's been on I have made 3 or 4 calls (maybe 30 mins in total), have sent and received around 75-100 texts and listened to music/podcasts for 4 or 5 hours. Web browsed for 2 or 3 hours as well and manually synced up Timescape a down or so times, so am using the phone a fair bit.

Extremely happy with it now :-D
[XPERIA X10 General] dubdec99:
By rebooting the phone, do you mean simply switching on and off, or doing a hard reset or what?
[XPERIA X10 General] esoqq:
I had an odd situation yesterday with battery life:

I started the day with 2 fully charged batteries. By the time I was leaving work at 5pm the first was on it's last legs so I changed to my fully charged spare. On booting up, the phone reported 17% battery remaining. A little perplexed I restarted the phone again and it reported 19% remaining. 10 minutes later it was 27%. Over the next 90 minutes (not attached to a charger at all) I checked every few minutes and the charge level gradually rose until it peaked at 81% and then started to fall as normal.

I'm wondering if the X10 is reading the charge level of batteries incorrectly. I would be interested to know if an almost fully discharged battery in an X10 was also reported as nearly discharged if transferred to an X1 or X2.
[XPERIA X10 General] StampedChipmunk:
@IM_Iceman

Please see my earlier posts in this thread for full details but, in short:

1) Factory Reset the phone (dunno why but things went a LOT better after this)

2) Install Juice Defender

3) Install Advanced Task Manager

Keep the WiFi off unless you need it (use the widget)

Kill MoxierMail at every opportunity

Also keep with it as the battery performance improves over time in two ways:

1) Android gets to 'know' your battery, so the reporting gets better

2) The battery improves with every charge cycle

Good luck!

S.
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
He means switching off and on.. it seem to be working for me.. I'll publish my test results tonight.. but powering off and on after you've changed a setting has made a big difference.. currently testing out impact of using wifi.. update later.. !!
[XPERIA X10 General] madmartymcfly:
Alot of people say that this moxiar mail is the problem. Surely SE would not put on something that would drain the battery like that. I don't use any of those task killer apps and my battery was pretty rubbish when I first started using it now i am on my 5th day and my phone has been off charge for 12 hours, being using it now and then and got 85% left. Wifi is always on, so is 3G. Wifi goes into sleep when the screen is off. So overal i am pretty happy with the results. Its a smart phone so turning everything off is pointless!!
[XPERIA X10 General] Vin87:
With that location setting turned off and rebooting the X10 after it ends charging it's now at 98% after 3 hours of standby and making a few phonecalls. So far I'm satisfied!

I also removed all taskmanagers/juicedefenders/startupauditors to see what difference they make, 3G= on, the rest is off. I'll use the phone some more extensively today. I'll keep you posted how long it takes for the phone to drain the battery.
[XPERIA X10 General] _j_:
it all depands on how much you use it, i recharge mine evey day... but timescape and widgets take alot of the standby.. get used to it:)

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[XPERIA X10 General] OwLOwLOwL:
Ofcourse!

But doing the following should not drain the battery in 10hours:

1. reboot phone. (I have no user installed autostarting applications except the built in)

2. Enable WiFi.

3. Surf a couple of webpages. (10 min)

4. Disable WiFi.

5. Put in FLIGHTMODE.

Battery almost gone after 8h of flightmode..... somethings wrong!!

The drainage should not be the same as heavy usage all-the-time!

Regards // R
[XPERIA X10 General] Jksukino:
already 22h after the first charge and battery is on 37%.

but the strange part is that as you can see that it got from a lower to a higher percentage while i did not recharged it or turned it of and on!!

and i havened done anything different sinds the last times.

so all i can say is have some patience and you will see progress ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] Belazor:
I've found that Moxier automatically loads whenever you gain a data connection.

Say that you use JuiceDefender to shut off your 3G when it's not in use, and you left your phone alone for 20 min. You then turn it back on, and 3G is re-enabled.

Moxier starts back up.

You kill it, and then gain WiFi connection.

Moxier starts back up.

Is there any auto task killer app that kills not when the screen turns off, but when you gain a data connection?
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
I'm using "startup auditor" which isn't perfect but does seem to keep moxier at bay most of the time.. you can select each app to be killed on startup, but also to prevent it from restarting after that..
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
try switching your phone off and then on again after you've disabled wifi - I think there's something wrong with the software that's not properly disabling the wifi radio.. seems to use more juice if you try to switch it off than it does if you leave it on!.. also check your wifi sleep policy (Advanced settings menu in the wifi screen) - set mine to switch off when the screen goes off.. so far today that's made a big difference.
[XPERIA X10 General] Phantasm4489:
From what I've gleaned from reading this and many other threads on the subject there does not seem to be any one thing or even combinations of things causing the power issues. It seems to be different for everyone.

When I first got my X10 the power drain was shocking. I could not get away with charging it less than twice a day. I tried some tests in the first week of owning the phone and was never able to achieve decent battery life even in flight mode with no usage it still dropped off way too quickly.

The First thing that improved it was the recharge cycles. I dont know if this is calibration of the OS at detecting the battery levels or the actual battery becoming better at holding charge after several cycles.

Even so, after this my X10 was still far from acceptable, so I turned everything off again and rebooted it. Following this there was a significant improvement where the battery drain was more like 1% per hour.

I've now turned most of the features I was using back on and have almost achieved 2 days without charge. This is without using any kind of task manager or other application to increase battery life. The main things that were killing the battery in my case were

a) 3g - ive had to switch this off otherwise it drains rapidly.

b) Facebook application updates - switched to manual

c) Facebook updates in timescape reduced to 1hr intervals.

I also have location services via wireless networks disabled but not sure how much of an effect this has yet.

Things i have turned on are:

a) Google calendar, contacts and gmail syncing in realtime

b) Weather widget updating hourly

c) Calendar widget updating hourly

d) Timescape linking to facebook hourly
[XPERIA X10 General] brunswick000:
Im a total noob here so ill try not to say anything too stupid. I just ordered my X10 and have been reading this site extensively since then. Phantasm4489 im interested in what you mean by "reboot" in your post. Others have been talking about a factory reset....is that what you mean or just a hard reset? I want to start off on the right track with this phone once I get it.

Thanks in advance
[XPERIA X10 General] Belazor:
I can't access that app because paid Market apps aren't available in Norway :(
[XPERIA X10 General] Phantasm4489:
nope no factory reset, just simple restart. I've noticed a few times that battery drain appears to go down for a while following a reset. I guess this is probably related to some process or other that is draining power but have not been able to put my finger on it so far.
[XPERIA X10 General] imugur:
I got the phone 3 days ago. After completely discharging the baterry by playing with it for few hours I fully charged it for one night. The batery lasted for 2 days of heavy usage (calls, smses, mediascape, bluetooth, wifi)!

My advice would be do have a fully discharge/charge cicle for 2-3 times.

Mugur

http://mugur-ionescu.ro
[XPERIA X10 General] CharlesW123:
I mean powering off then back on again mate
[XPERIA X10 General] CharlesW123:
'Autostarts' will do this but needs root access to actually change it :(

You can still install it and see what apps do run when the data connection changes though, FYI on my phone it shows that as well as Moxier, I get Download Manager, My Uploads and Skype running everytime!
[XPERIA X10 General] Sensibledave:
Hi, I have noticed that when I turn my phone off and on battery drain drops to about 1% per hour. When I enable GPS (I have GPS off as default on phone) this increases to 8% per hour which is to be expected, however when I then disable GPS this drain continues at 8% per hour until I turn my phone back on and off. I'm wondering if there is a problem with the software which prevents it from turning the GPS chip fully off.
[XPERIA X10 General] tuxStyle:
It seems the is same problem with wifi too.

After wifi is disabled, a reboot is necessarily but, everyone knows, reboot uses a lot of energy too :)