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[Legend General] pollokp:
3D Gaming Tests

I have tested some 3d games from the market place. Some of them only in a lite version, but the graphics should be the same... ^^

There is a rating system om smoothness from 1-5

Speedx 3D

http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-beepstreet-speedx-wFnn.aspx

Its product specification tells the truth. It delivers stunning 3D accelerometer controlled tunnel experience without any lags.

5

Armageddon Squadron

http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-polarbit-asquadron-pmqD.aspx

By stopping all tasks with my advanced task manager it runs quiet well. But not as smooth as Speedx 3D. Looks like 20 FPS. Anyway its playable and its still fun...

4

Raging Thunder 2 Lite

http://www.androlib.com/android.screenshot.app.nwtE-tEiE.u.aspx

Wow! Amazing 3d graphics! But you reckognize that HTC maybe doesn´t use the full CPU capacity of the legend as it could use. Starting a Race it lags and after some seconds it becomes much smoother, but still a bit laggy. 15-20 FPS therefore you can play it,

3.5

Speed Forge 3D Demo

http://www.androlib.com/android.application.mag3dlite-speedforgedemo-qCmp.aspx

Perfect! Super smooth!

5

Magnetic Sports Soccer

http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-revo-proto-tiqp.aspx

Runs very smooth with an occasional appearance of lags... Very seldom

4.5

ToonWarz - LITE

http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-polarbit-toonwarzlite-pqtB.aspx

Oh my godness! At first I thougt hey it runs not bad. But then the first enemies appeared and the FPS crashed totally! Unplayable³!

1

Kwaak3 - Quake 3 Arena for Android

http://code.google.com/p/kwaak3/

Very nice! After change the lightning from "Lightning maps" to "vertex" and the texture quality to 50% it runs very smooth with only one enemy and quiet okay with 3 enemies...

4.5

For shortness of this post i will only name the game and put a number behind it.

Homerun battle 3D demo- 5

Wave Blazer - 4

Quake 2&1 - 2

Mystique Chapter 1 - 5

My Paper - 5

Lybyrinth - 5

Dice 3D - 5

Friday Escape Lite - 3.5

Armadillo Roll Demo - 5

Vacuum - 5

Raging Thunder 1 - 5

NO ASPHALT 5!!!!!!!!

Upcoming tests after putting money aside :P

Exzeus Arcade - unfortunately no lite version out there

Deliverace - Omg! trailers look amazing! Hopefully it will be quiet smooth (not available at the moment)

Light Racer 3d - But maybe you can test these games??

Super G Stunt

SpaceTracks

Welcome to Hell 3D (not available at the moment)

Crusade of Destiny (not available at the moment)

AVERAGE RATING: 4,27777

After the devs have some clues to upgrade legends performance it could be nearly 5. :D
[Legend General] were2:
i know this thread is pretty old but i would like to add Dungeon Hunter.

the only game from gameloft that seems to work nearly perfect on the legend (no display resolution problems).

so, without overclocking version 3.11 runs pretty well. some buttons are deformed thats all.

the game doesn´t run perfect, but its playable.

version 3.5.7 (HD) works, too. but the graphics are deformed and youll get errors instead of videos.

Version 3.1.1 = 4.7/5

Version 3.5.7 = 4.2/5
[Legend General] kazzaz:
so from all 3d gameloft games just dungen hunter will work well ?
[Legend General] were2:
i havent tested all games sofar, i m not that interessted in racing games or football managers and stuff.

but from the games ive tested (assassins creed, sandstorm, nova, hero of sparta and some other i forgot) only dungeon hunter works with the right resolution, nova was basicly playable, too (for example). but playing wouldnt be fun.
[Legend General] juux:
Just an aside 'cos I don't think it's been mentioned in this thread, the MSM7227 has the same Adreno 200 GPU that is used in the 1GHz Snapdragon phones like the Desire. Not sure about the clock speed, but I'd imagine it bears at least some relation to the main CPU clock.

Remember though that the Legend has a lot less screen to fill up so the lower fillrate is not so much of an issue, if at all. In fact, when you look at the Neocore benchmarks, the Legend holds up pretty well.

This link* shows Neocore benchmark scores for various devices and although the Legend is not tested, the MyTouch Slide has the same MSM7227 so results are comparable.

A lot of the 3D games for Android look like fairly lazy ports of older iPhone apps (Gameloft, I'm looking at you!) and may not be particularly suited to one Android GPU or another. That's Android fragmentation and an immature market though, eh?

Having said that, if 3D performance is important then something like Galaxy S would surely be the choice handset. The 1+GHz high-resolution devices will be the target devices for any serious game development so you may find that 320x480 and lower handsets are ignored to a great extent. Whether a burgeoning budget market keeps these lower-end device on developers' minds remains to be seen.

Edit to add: The only 3D game I have and play regularly is Carrom 3D (great pool/snooker game) and this is smooth enough even with all the detail turned up. A lot of other apps 'running' in the background will cause occasional lag, but then this is the price we pay for a multi-tasking environment!

* Search for "high end android gpu showdown" to get link at Android&Me (can't link as I'm a new account)
[Legend General] Skardy:
The only game (that I tried) that lags on my legend is caligo chaser :(
[Legend General] rajasyaitan:
FIFA10 lags too.
[Legend General] were2:
the legend isnt a real lower-end device (the wildfire is xD).

if google would optimize android and htc would optimize sense the cpu and gpu would have much more power to for example to play games more fluedly.

if coders would even try to optimize theyr games for legend (and it would be very easy for gameloft for example, htc legend is comparable to the iphone 3gs and most of there games are coded for exactly that device), they would work just perfect.

the lower cpu rate and the lack of ram isnt the real problem: compare the hardware of the phones to a pc 10 years ago, the snapdragon should reach better performance than an pentium 3/1ghz cause of the architectur, the gpu is far away from the power of a geforce 2mx, but still pretty good.

based on the better architecture (n45; arm) the 600mhz msm7227 should be comparable to a 800mhz pentium 3.

this hardware has to work with a smaller screen with a fixed resolution. they could reach so much better performance, graphics etc. they are just too lazy.

(ps: i know that smartphone hardware isnt really comparable to hardware that was in pcs back then, but mhz is mhz)
[Legend General] TheGrammarFreak:
Yeah, but MHz to MHz rarely mean much, even in the same architecture. For example: The new Qualcomm CPU's, found in the Desire-Z (T-Mobile G2, 800MHz) outperform the 1GHz (1000MHz) CPU found in the Dersire by a long way (these are both ARM). If you look at AMD CPUs vs Intel CPUs then AMD almost always outperform Intel, even on a lower clock-speed. (Both the x86-64 architecture). MHz to MHz only has a real, measurable, bearing when applied to 2 of the same CPUs at to different clock speeds (overclocking)

Having said all that, I do agree with your post. The Legend is capable of so much more, if only people would take the time to code properly. Part of the problem is that people rely on the Dalvik VM (fairly phone-independent), so they rarely have to code on a "per-phone-model" basis. With the iPhone, as it's only ever 1 set of hardware, programmers can easily optimise it for the iPhone. It's much harder to optimise for Android, as it exists on so many phones, each with different specs. But that's the price you pay for choice...
[Legend General] CrazyPeter:
Suprisingly the Legends GPU outperforms the Desire in 3D benchmarks. The CPU is certainly weaker in the Legend, but the comparison below is not quite far because the Legend is still on 2.1 and the desire benchmark was 2.2

Hopefully soon they can be compared like for like...

hxxp://wxw.glbenchmark.com/compare.jsp?benchmark=glpro11&showhide=true&certified_only=1&D1=HTC%20Legend&D2=HTC%20Desire%20(Bravo)&D3=Apple%20iPhone%204

THis is a good read:

hxxp://smartphonebenchmarks.com/forum/index.php?/topic/105-analysis-of-qualcomm-msm7x27-msm7227-msm7627-and-msm7x25-msm7225-msm7625-processors-how-good-are-they/
[Legend General] Firecold:
Yup, situation is pretty much the same as in optimisation for consoles and pcs. That's why it is more reasonable to buy console and ipod/ipad if you are a games addict:D
[Legend General] TheGrammarFreak:
I see your point, but gaming on the PC is almost always better than gaming on a console. Yeah, games manufacturers can push consoles a lot harder than PCs, but hey. The PC (with Windows) is by far the better gaming platform. :D
[Legend General] CrazyPeter:
I would disagree, I have seen PS3 games that totally outclass anything the PC has to offer. Uncharted2 for example, also Killzone2. Some of the effects on them are beyond the scope of what a $1k PC can do, simple because it's optimised for the platform (and the platform being insanely powerful when it has code unbound from the restraints of other less powerful platforms - Xbox360 usually). The console is a good analogy, as it's rather ironic that the PS3 is being held back in multiplatform titles by the Xbox. Microsoft must be loving that!!!
[Legend General] juux:
Power is nothing without control. The mouse/keyboard option is why the PC walks all over consoles in most genres.

I'd take a flexible and responsive control system over some slightly more pretty graphics anyday.
[Legend General] Firecold:
I'm sure you've never actually owned console: it takes some time to get comfortable with it.

Anyways, let this post be the last one in this holywar, there is vast choise of places on the internet where you can discuss it:)
[Legend General] were2:
its the same gpu, i think its a simple display resolution thing or the gpu is better integrated into the system architecture.

and with mhz is mhz i simply meant that the cpu is pretty good and for example, if xiii was able to run on a pentium 3 computer with 700mhz and 128ram (you would need to overclock the legend ^^) why arent the devs able to run flashlike games on an android phone with 600-800mhz and 384mb ram without slowdowns (angry birds or furdiburb if u played too long).
[myTouch 3G, Magic Apps and Games] rommark:
hey!

is there any way to send sms to mobile using icq/gmail api from android?

thanks!
[Legend General] lollazzo:
Exist a way to hide sim contact in the dealer?
[Legend General] sfara:
I'm interested in this too ! It's just not right to see every damn contact 2 times...on sim and on phone. Something is wrong here.
[HD2 General] omer1112:
HD2 is my first WM phone. I don't know ANYTHING about windows mobile at all. I wanted to know if there are any good sites that can teach me stuff such as what ROMs and cabs are and how can i install them and whats the point of them etc. I want to pimp out my phoneee :D
[HD2 General] CYDVicious:
The first thing that you want to do is get pim backup and make a backup of your data.

Then you need to go get the 1024 US HSPL. Read all of the instructions and follow them...should be as simple as connect ing your phone to the pc making sure active sync recognizes the connection then install.

Then get the latest 576mb version of the LEON1.5 rom, and install that, following the instructions exactly. It should be as easy as the HSPL install, from windows. Do not try to flash a rom from the 16gb memory stick.

once done, use the pim backup to reload your data.

Pretty much all you need. There is a thread that contains stock apps. You can install any tmobile apps from that thread.

Good luck.
[HD2 General] FreakyFerret:
Read the XDA Wiki. It's very helpful!

http://wiki.xda-developers.com

Read the Acronyms and Glossary to understand a bit how a phone works, pay attention to the SPL and Radio entries.

http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Acronyms

http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Glossary

The FAQ has a lot more stuff.

http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=FAQ

There's even a Leo FAQ. It is about the non-US version, but a lot of it still applies.

http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Leo

If you plan to flash or cook, read this

http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Windows_Mobile_6_Parts_Reference

and this

http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Flashing Guide

That should get you a good start and only take a couple of hours to absorb.
[HD2 General] omer1112:
Thanks guy :D
[HD2 General] FreakyFerret:
No problem. :) I was completely lost as I read things until I went over the glossary and stuff. Gave me a handle on what exactly was being talked about, then I was able to read other posts and understand them.
[HD2 General] MirasHD2:
Look up GadgetTechPlus on You Tube he has a tutorial on how to do the flashing and even flashing a ROM. Also shows some ROMS on his HD2. After I saw his video I decided to go for it and so far no regrets.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] O boy:
Ive searched through google.. I just need to know to switch the radio on my phone do I need to root.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] craigacgomez:
deleted... read my post below!!!
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] 1wayjonny:
You dont have to root but you would have to pop the OEM lock on the bootloader.

Unless you can find a N1 update package with the correct signature for shipped phones, which I dont think is floating around but please correct me anybody.

My brother wanted to use his N1 with just the radio update.

So he pop'd his oem lock then just did the ERE36B package and flashed it without root and he is still using stock everything.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] craigacgomez:
@1wayjonny... all the leaked ROMs are google/htc signed ROMs which can be flashed without unlocking the bootloader... just rename the zip to PASSIMG.zip, pop it onto ur SD, reboot in bootloader... the phone will scan the image and ask you if you want to flash it... you can also use the fastboot command to flash the untouched img files from a leaked google/htc ROM... if you use a cooked ROM or a chef created update ROM, you need to unlock the bootloader...

@O boy... you do not need root to flash the radio... u never will either... but with a locked bootloader, you can only upgrade the radio... to downgrade the radio, you need to unlock the bootloader...
[HD2 General] Nocombneeded:
Hi all,

do you know of any modification or setting that would change the keyboard layout to ABC instead of QWERTY? My girlfriend can't get on with the QWERTY layout having used ABC on her old touchphone for years and before she throws her HD2 out of the window I thought I'd look into it for her.

I use SWYPE on mine and it works great for me but she can't get on with that either. Any help and/or advice would be appreciated.

Matt
[HD2 General] niteowl360:
just click on the arrow at the bottom of keyboard and select phone keyboard ... its as easy as ABC
[HD2 General] zdrux:
I think there was a joke there somewhere :D
[HD2 General] unleashed12:
Yeah im wondering if theres anyway to tell what the country of origin is of my HD2.. is there any quick way or telling by looking at serial number or something?.. was just curious..
[HD2 General] witch1:
You can tell a lot by where you bought it.HTC devices are made in Taiwan.
[HD2 General] ulukai3:
Hi guys and gals,

I'm considering to use my hd2 on bike using gps as a tracking device, speedometer and of course for navigation. I would be constantly charging it from dynamo.

The question is, can a lengthy usage, let's say 6 hours long damage the gps unit. How about display, can it somehow "burn out" after some longer time?

Thanks.
[HD2 General] witch1:
No, though I personally would buy a device made for that. Garmin and Tomtom make one specifically for outdoor use.
[HD2 General] Smartmob:
+1

If you gonna use it "professional" use "real" GPS.

Its the same with camera and professional fotographing :)

;)
[HD2 General] ulukai3:
Yeah, I know that. But I'm considering using HD2 because i will have it with me anyway, so I'm trying to cut down on weight everywhere possible.

So, I'm aware of better going with dedicated device, but I'm considering all options.
[HD2 General] brandi:
i think the gps chip in the hd2 is pretty awesome, and it is made for getting gps connections :D also gps is a very low-energy and passive system so i would not be scared about damage... it's made for using it. i've used the gps a damn lot on my old raphael and it never seemed to get any "worse" or something...

greetz
[HD2 General] ulukai3:
Great, thanks for the answer. I was a bit worried because using gps seems to make some heat, so I thought that gps is doing some hard job which could damage it after longer usage :)

Are current displays in HD2 like devices durable enough? For example, will they be alright for 2 years when I will often use it with display always on?
[HD2 General] zdrux:
No person in their right mind would pay close to $600 for a device that works only 24 months.
[HD2 General] ulukai3:
Well you know, it's a bit different when you use it as phone and all around device compared to using it 6 hours with display always on. Ok, maybe it's not different, but that's why I'm asking.
[HD2 General] Smartmob:
That you cant know ever for sure. It can last for 6 years...or 6 hours. But it should be all ok no matter what... After all, you have a varanty ;)
[HD2 General] lonelykatana:
Wtf is a varanty?

naa im kiding you lol

Good point though. The only thing I'd be worried about is it raining on me phone :eek:
[HD2 General] Jmarley:
You stand much more chance of damaging the phone through vibration / dodgy charger adapter.......You say "Dynamo" so I'm assuming some old oil dripping "riveter " :D
[HD2 General] forest.ranger:
Im using my HD 2 as a data collector and have it running with GPS, Mapping and Data collection software for up to 4-6 hours a day (with spare batteries)

proberly running around 60-100 hours a month. Being doing it for around 4 months now with no problems.

The GPS is equall to or better then comparable commercial GPS units.

In fact I replaced a Trimble Nomad with the HD 2 as the HD 2 GPS is better

and the HD 2 easier and faster to operate
[HD2 General] Wevenhuis:
No. Have had the GPS on for a whole charge on my HD2. No issues there. GPS signal reception in the device is very good.
[HD2 General] Dr.Sid:
The display is the problem. It's almost useless outside. Get device especially made for that.

Outdoor GPS or specialized cycle GPS will last a day on batteries, will be very robust, will be partially waterproof. All that can be 'applied' to HD2, with some effort. But most importantly, such device will have trans-reflective display which is much better readable outside, and backlight can be turned off, which increases battery life even more.
[HD2 General] ephestione:
Would you mind to elaborate on the battery life on continuous GPS tracking? I also have a total of 4 batteries, the original + 3 HK oems that costed a real deal and pack some energy in them no matter what. But I never tested it for long time tasks like GPS for example
[HD2 General] forest.ranger:
When I'm data collecting I turn off sense and phone & data functions.

Using the internal GPS, OziExplorer and Data Collection software we usually get 3-4 hours continuous use from a standard battery.Even on a long day Ive never used more then 2 batteries.

We used to run IPAQ hx4700 units and blue tooth GPS, and the HD 2 standard battery use compares favorably if not slightly better then these units, probably due to not having to use the blue tooth gps on the HD 2.

We have ordered both the HD 2 and the Mugan extended batteries which we expect will give us hopefully all day usage on a single battery.

As we are using the HD 2,s in the New Zealand Bush we have them in the Otterbox 1900, totally waterproof and works perfectly through the protective screen.
[HD2 General] forest.ranger:
Forgot to mention that I have the back light on full, my eyes are not what they used to be and I find it helps in direct sunlight.

However the HD 2 screen is much easier to read in direct sunlight then the hx4700 and the trimble nomad one of the many reasons we like using them.
[HD2 General] Filipek88:
I don't know if the GPS unit can damage, but in my Nokia 6110 Navigator it was damaged after some time, I think it was less than 1 year, cause I had warranty left for it and they have sent me a new phone. The couldn't repair it unfortunately, so well it's possible the GPS unit damages (I used the GPS 5 hours a week I think)
[HD2 General] kilrah:
Lemme fix that for you... Who buys a device lile the HD2 and actually keeps it more than 2 years? ;)

No problem with gps, and with the LCD screen. I wouldn't say the same with the OLED ones that start to come out.

You mention powering with dynamo... don't forget to regulate to 5v, I'd also advise an external battery buffer.
[HD2 General] ephestione:
sounds awesome, with backlight at 100%, considering the phone radio in stanby doesn't drain that much anyway so disabling it shouldn't increase battery life that much.
[HD2 General] ulukai3:
Thanks guys. I'm planning to use new shimano dynamo with battery buffer.

Didn't think of this before because there are no moving parts in HD2, but how sensitive on vibration could it be? Should it be ok on bike with full suspension on rough terrain? I can imagine this is hard to answer, but I would like to have some general idea :)
[HD2 General] CRO_Misho:
Believe or not, I have managed to "burn out" the display on HTC touch HD by using Garmin mobile XT for a half hour.

I had a warranty, and after nearly two month of waiting, I had the screen replaced. (I bought a HD2 in the meanwhile).

Still, I am not afraid of using Garmin on HD2, because the Snapdragon processor heats much less, (you can barely feel it) and the capacitive touch screen doesn't suffer from the same problems as the screen on Touch HD.

So, it would be best to buy professional navigation, but there are many situations when you have to rely on your phone alone, and HD2 is a definitely reliable companion and travel mate. (ok, except abroad, when you have to teach him how to stop all data calls...) :D
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Bi99uy:
Yo. I have recently begun to try out a couple of new roms and the one main thing that is bugging me is that a few of the omitt RSS Hub. While i fairly easy found a separate cab for it, it seems that fingerscrolling doesn´t work with it. I can´t scroll trough the articles without using the scrollbar and i cant go to the next article by simply "flicking" the page to the left, instead having to go to the main list of articles and there select one.

So the question is, does someone have a cab with RSS HUB that supports fingerscrolling? Or can it be fixed with a registry entry?
[Desire General] alpha1-:
Hey all,

I welcome myself to xda-developers :P come on all the time but just haven't registered or posted before... I received my HTC Desire from mobiles.co.uk yesterday from their new batch of Vodafone stock. We'll all be glad to hear they are now all retail versions, with retail packaging where the phone is packaged in some plastic too, I'll post some pics later.

Now to what matters most: I found a cheat way to get into the Google Navigation Beta app that is PRE-INSTALLED on the HTC Desire. (At least in build 1.15.405.4 (which probably isn't much different from .3)

Long press on the home screen to place down a shortcut and select Directions & Navigation. It will allow you to preset a Navigation to a location with a quick shortcut. Finish the setup and click save, and then clicking the shortcut will launch Google Navigation Beta!

EXCEPT: Unfortunately, it doesn't actually seem to work (in the UK?)! You get Waiting for location, but once it finds that I am outside the US (it finds me perfectly on Google Maps), it gives me an error No route found: Navigation to your destination is not available to which I have no option but to click Exit Navigation, which then closes the App.

So fellow Desire owners, how can we get around that? :D