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[XPERIA X10 General] lornova:
Moxier is definitely NOT the source of ANY problem. I'm using Moxier with push (along with GMail with push) on 3G and I have a reasonable battery life (from 24 to 48 hours depending on the usage). Moreover, in my tests disabling Moxier doesn't impact noticeably to the battery consumption.
[XPERIA X10 General] cocoajoe:
I'm just commenting on the fact that when it was a running task, Moxier seemed to be the cause of battery loss. I didn't setup an account through Moxier, so I don't know if there could be a connection with creating an account and setting up preferences to push versus not having an account and letting it run in the task list.

I admit, possibly letting the phone decharge fully several times may be a contributer to the longevity of the battery now, but I can't ignore either that Moxier has been disabled and isn't running task list, and my battery is at 33% charge after 1day 8hours +.

So I guess it comes down to finding out what it is if you say Moxier is fine, but battery life is now almost 8 times better with the same usage after my small change.
[XPERIA X10 General] lornova:
The problem is that this "Moxier issue" arose several times since the phone launch, and every time it has been debunked, however people is still complaining and loosing their and others' time asking for a way to remove it.

So it is better to clearly say that

it is not the cause of the fast battery discharge

. Of course push mail will consume battery, but if left unconfigured and unused it will not hurt.
[XPERIA X10 General] Phantasm4489:
Pull email will hurt your battery much more. The whole idea behind push email is to reduce this as much as possible while still giving realtime delivery. Pull email involves regularly scanning a remote server for new emails. Push email involves maintaining an open connection to allow the remote server to notify your phone when new email arrives.
[XPERIA X10 General] orochiguyver:
I *THINK* I have figured out the reasons for the heavy drain I have on my X10 and it opens up a question to you all also:

I live in a VERY densely populated capital city - this means a ton of nodes and potential signal hopping between the 3G nodes due to environmental conditions (phone trying to maintain strongest singals among tall buildings etc.) and the number of nodes there are in each area that I am typically in day-to-day.

Yesterday, I was at a BBQ and out of my dense area for about 17 hours - when I left my place, my x10 was at 100% battery. I was using the phone fairly heavily (timescape mess abouts with people asking for demos, some pics taken, bowsing, social network posts, texts and a couple of calls) throughout the evening and early hours. I left the phone off charge until this morning and for the first time ever, I got 22.5 hours from one charge WITH mid-heavy useage.

This leads me to think that its the conditions of where you are using the phone determining the battery drain the most above any apps.

So, my question to you all is - are you in a dense city most of the time with your x10 or not and what are your battery drains like in correlation.

I think we may see a pattern of those getting long useage from their x10s being in less dense areas compared to those in dense.

Just a hunch but one I think may give us some more insight...
[XPERIA X10 General] Belazor:
Push mail means it never sleeps. Pull means you can configure when you want new mail yourself. I'm on manual pull mail and I get 50+ hours.

Sent from my Xperia X10i mobile phone.
[XPERIA X10 General] cocoajoe:
I take it all back. I have no clue what is killing my battery, TimeScape seems partially to blame, then Moxier, then it isn't either. I've got a large Ignore list and am getting about 24hours now, but had it as good as 48 at one point.

Friend of mine has the new HTC phone and it almost lasts three days, but he is running 2.1Android, so I wish Sony would allow its users to be at the same equal level as the other Android phones.
[XPERIA X10 General] robbyf66:
so it seems there are no answers?
[XPERIA X10 General] orochiguyver:
Well... theres my theory but no one seems to have an input yet.

The HTC Desire seems to be just as random - my friend has one with an even worst batt than my X10 with average 9hrs batt - linking to my theory, shes also in the same dense city as me.

Doesnt shock me both models have issues seeing as the bulk of hardware inside are the same including the wigi/radio chip and the processor. Perhaps a firmware issue for the actual components?
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
Exactly my thoughts. Those two phones seems to be suffering from the same symptoms.

So, I begin to think, the culprit is Android itself... :confused:
[XPERIA X10 General] cocoajoe:
I thought and think that it is also part of the problem, as when it is running it chews up my battery as well. Could be the combination of applications running the back group don't tell the phone go into sleep mode.

I don't know... would love an answer..
[XPERIA X10 General] iridaki:
Anyone who is wondering if and why their phone is not going to sleep properly when not in use, download and install Spare Parts.

Battery History menu will tell you all you need to know about battery consumption. ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] Higgins12:
Mainly Timescape is nibbling on the Battery when it does not receive regular updates , like when you disable the auto update feature. You can install Juice Plotter from the market (helped me a lot to see what app suck battery) and then do a Timescape update , you immediately can see a huge drop down in the Battery , mostly 5-6 % within 5 Minutes.

There are lots of Programs whu make Battery Life worst but strangely it seems to be different from device to device or in a certain Combination of Apps. As sample "Toiteur" (Twitter Client) makes my Battery suffering as well , on a Friends X10 there is no Problem with it at all.

If i leave everything enabled on the Phone including Timescape , Moxier etc. i get a Battery Life of 7-8 Hours per Day BUT when i disable Timescape and all the Crap with Startup Auditor i go with about 36 Hours.

Using the Phone like i want it to do , with anything enabled is strict impossible as i always have to look for a Power Source to recharge.
[XPERIA X10 General] genuinereyon:
3g watchdog was preventing my phone from going to sleep hence the shocking battery life. I've uninstalled and it is running awesome with no task killers. 2% use per hour with 3g etc on
[XPERIA X10 General] bonznumber1:
I would install juice defender (free) it helps allot To
[XPERIA X10 General] buddhabar:
Power usage

I just wondering what is the meaning to have android if people use this like normal cellphone. to kill all good apps for get better baterylife take us back to regular cellphone world.
[XPERIA X10 General] orochiguyver:
Got the new UK firmware installed on my X10 and my gosh the difference and improvement in battery life and mediascape is amazing.

Was fully charged at 3am last night, its been in moderate use and its on 33% now.

this is how the phone should have been released!
[XPERIA X10 General] Andiiboy:
battery usage

hi guys im new to these forums but have had my x10i for over a month, debranded it, updated from rf14 to rf16 then to rb020 and and haven't rooted it aaaaand what ive found is that a few apps can help the battery

i have deactivated all refresh options on:

:facebook

:email

:fancy widget and any other app which has refresh cycles, (you can do this when you need them anyway so no point in having them on all the time).

i havent used moxier at all but yes that keeps popping up, so i have installed ATK (advanced task killer) and SA (startup auditor to kill moxier, playnow and timescape as i don't use these, when you activate 3g moxier will show up in ATK but you just turn off 3g when you have done with it and kill the app via ATK and it stays dead) and a nice little widget for turning my 3g on/off (2g-3g on/off)

my phone gets turned off at night (you can't use it when your asleep anyhow) but at the moment im showing 9 hrs and 45 min since turn on and have 54 percent battery and i text like a maniac (using swype which uses up battery) have browsed the net, facebook and watched some music vids, and i don?t think i charged it since midday yesterday

through the battery use screen im showing

CELL STNDBY 33%

DISPLAY 31%

PHONE IDLE 19%

VOICE CALLS 12%

ANDROID SYSTEM 4%

SWYPE 2%

Also if you have Astro just use the tools option and kill any processes which you deem surplus to requirements

seems like alot of work but with just a few checks each day and the above steps the power keeps on pumping
[XPERIA X10 General] Beanyness:
I used to get 4 days with this phone, using SetCPU with Wifi + Bluetooth disabled.

Before that i got well over 2 days with Wifi + Bluetooth disabled. Nothing else changed.

Now for no reason at all, i'm getting times that most people get: 12 - 18 hours. Yet i hadn't done anything at all to the phone, no changes.

Really annoying, but it proves this phone can last longer. Something must be seriously messed up with software or hardware if it can go from 4 days to 14-ish hours.

So now i've installed Juice Defender along with SetCPU, disabled many tasks from starting up, disabled TimeScape, turned off any Sync stuff, disabled Wifi + Blutooth + GPS, and uninstalled literally everything that can be removed... but it's done little. Absolutely ridiculous. Even tried a phone reset/wipe.

A family member also has this phone, and shes been getting about 10 hours from the beggining. Different locations are having little effect on the phone too (London city vs remote places).

What seems to be working for most people regarding battery time? lots of different things seem to work for different people... another example of something seriously being wrong with the software/hardware. But is there something that atleast works well for most people?
[XPERIA X10 General] Shonan_:
well here is wot i found,

i had 3g watchdog, adw, and juice defender and atk, and my batt was only doing 9 hrs tops with location data turned on, and using BT in the day, with medium use,

i un-installed watchdog and atk and managed to get it up to bout 12 hr markagain with medium use, whislt this was a bit better i wanted to get bit more life from the battery, so i un-installed juice defender and adw still leaving location data on for my weather app, took it off 100% charge at 12 clock last nite and to my suprise this morning at 8 clock 1 was on 95%, phone was in normal mode, signal is ok but only ever get 2 bars with occasional drop and losing signal, and im still on build 16, no update there for me yet, since this morining phone has had heavy usage and its on 64% :D chuffed to bits with that :rolleyes:

so my findings is that watchdog is a major killer, atk is good but i think im gonna let the phone handle its self, but my biggest shock was adw which is a shame cost i loved that launcher but my battery means more so im back on stock at the mo, :eek:
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
That's odd.. I'm using ADW (although I am on R2BA026 now).. and I've just started using "data on demand" - My phone's been unplugged for 12 hours now and it's on 84%..

"Data on Demand" - It's the future.. !!
[XPERIA X10 General] Shonan_:
yeah think that mite be part my problem, im still back in the 90's :D being stuck on build 16 is s***

would like to put adw back on when i get the update
[XPERIA X10 General] mezo9090:
Most part which sucks the battery is the screen!

Try to keep that off....

sent from my x10i that is banging for a 2.1 upgrade. ...
[XPERIA X10 General] JeanArcher:
Hi!

Hey there..

Need some help here guys..

When I check Battery usage, it often shows 42% or more of the battery used by media even when i dun have any thing running in the background..

I wonder if this is normal.. My battery back up is really poor and my handset gets warm too.. I lose 10%+ per hour..

HELP!! :confused::confused:
[XPERIA X10 General] ashirokung:
Your wifi turn on?

My X10 loss 10% every hour when wifi on!!!!
[XPERIA X10 General] nizaamh:
Hi. The X10 DEFINATELY has battery probs. Timescape is probably the biggest culprit. It constantly updates and changes especially the social pages twitter,facebook etc. Moxier as well although not so bad. Set your setting to "refresh manually " in for example any internet related widgets you have. I deleted Moxier ansd timescape. Also tried to delete Playnow.I had to reinstall Timescape because the worst thing was not being able to use the contacts.

Last I am using an app. called " Battery Booster ".It puts the phone into Airplane Mode and you can set the times you want this to happen. My times are Twelve in the evening to six am. My battery has last three days so far.Bad thing about airplane mode is no one can call you emergencies etc.

If your batt. getss very hot constantly maybe take it back to your service provider to check. HOPE THIS HELPS
[XPERIA X10 General] iead1:
I don't know what happened, but my battery lasts up to three days now... Today was the first time I've charged it to full since Sunday morning, yet, I've used the phone as much as I normally do, and made/received several long calls.

It started after I decided to update all my apps from the Market, so I suspect I had an app that was just eating battery. I've never used Airplane mode, have 3G and GPS on at all times, and don't use Wifi. What's the point of having a phone if you turn off the features that make it a phone?
[XPERIA X10 General] zorglub08:
My x10 now uses 0.55% per hour when it sleeps.

I noticed it after I rooted it with universal androot and removed some apps.

I then tried to leave it sleeping as much as I could for a week and it lasted just over a week, 173 hours.

This is with 026, rooted (universal androot), 3G and GPS on, google talk auto connected, WiFi off

No juice defender, no task killer.

On my phone, leaving GPS off actually seems to use more battery so I just leave it on at all times.

Here's what I did just before I noticed the change:

- removed stock apps: moxier, playnow, korean/chinese keyboard, user manual, office suite, quadrapop, email (the gmail app is enough for me)

- uninstalled app: juice defender

- updated app: system panel, a few other apps

So for me it could be any of this, or a combination.

Like iead1 said, it could be one of the apps that was updated.

I suspect moxier, email and juice defender.

I have access to another x10 and will try to repeat the same changes to see which ones are important.
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
the latest Facebook update is a battery killer too.. I've gone back the slightly older v.1.2.0 - it's not as feature rich - but it does sleep properly!..

Moxier is definitely NOT a problem if you're not using it - I spent ages trying to kill it and keep it killed - but now I've stopped all that task killing nonsense and it's fine..

I've also "cleared data" from timescape and stopped using that too - I don't think it's as bad as the latest versions of facebook but i didn't find it particularly useful and it was draining the battery a little too..
[XPERIA X10 General] chiqamia0122:
I bought my X10 last August 18 and I'm having a bad issue about the battery.. Is it okay for my X10 to Full charge/decharge while using ADW Launhcer? Is ADW Launcher a battery saver?
[XPERIA X10 General] james23_uk:
Hi. I've had a MiniX10 for a couple of months now and I think I've got to the bottom of the problem.

Obviously cutting down apps running in the background helps to conserve energy (I use Task killer) and preventing unwanted data transfer (Data on demand) stops the phone from draining battery that way.

However the main problem comes from having 3G switched on in an area of poor 3G reception. This is why some people are struggling with battery life, why some arent, and why tests appear inconclusive. For example with the above battery saving programs installed my phone has fallen to only 62% in the 35 hours since last charge. I've not been using the phone heavily but I have done a small amount of texting, browsing and talking. Now, I was away in the country over the weekend and with the exact same phone, similar levels of usage and exact same programs running in the background I was losing 25% per hour.

This must be a problem with the phone trying constantly to switch between 2G and 3G networks. Therefore, surely we can expect a software update in the near future to resolve this? In the meantime, the easiest solution is to switch off 3G when you are outside of a good 3G network.

I await others' views on this with interest. Happy X10ing!
[XPERIA X10 General] Gentimp:
Battery of mine didn't last one day before I rooted it. I rooted it using the "old" method. I'm running R2BA023 now. Battery usage has improved a lot. It's been on for ~7 hours and battery is on 65% now.

I haven't used it much though.

Display 53%

Wi-FI 28%

Cell standby 10%

Phone idle 7%

2% is not listed...wtf
[XPERIA X10 General] Shonan_:
i cant belive how much my batt has improved over the last couple weeks since having the new update, i took it off charge this morning at 7 clock and by 3.30 pm i was only on 85% with bluetooth on since 8am, fair few tx and few phone calls, so so so much better, all of sudden i can use my phone as a phone
[XPERIA X10 General] AndriodX:
X10 Power Issues

Well like many of you, I too have this problem and after reading some of the postings and solutions, I did some tests on my own.

While the phone is being charged, I had the WiFi on, with the Background Data Sync turn on, the battery just does not charge beyond 88%.

After I turned off the Background Data Sync, the phone was able to charge to 100%.

I shall check the status of the phone after I leave it to sit for a while as I still have to run the battery down before I perform the full charge again.

I usually logon to MSN and squat there for sometime and if this affects the battery life of the X10, it would be a bummer!
[XPERIA X10 General] AndriodX:
Update on Power

Well I have left my phone for over 12 hours with some usage on a couple of calls lasting to about 15 mins or so the longest.

And the battery just dipped a few notches.

However when I turned on the Background Data Sync coz I was itchy handed and wanted to browse the market for new apps, the battery life got sucked at least 15 to 20 percent.

I guess it is also down to the service that you have up that requires the connection to pull data updates, the more you have the more work it is gonna do and therefore more battery required.

SE needs to work on this better, it makes no sense for a smart phone to be so battery intensive whenever it is connected to the world but yet to save battery, one has to limit or be prudent in everything that we want to be connected, then it is really a bummer .. might as well get a regular phone and a netbook or something correct?

I am however using WiFi connection and not thru mobile service.

FYI :)
[XPERIA X10 General] AndriodX:
Update on Power #2

Had my phone running more than 24hrs almost 30hrs with regular usage for calls, WiFi surfing, text messaging, playing with the camera.

Only when I had the Background Data Sync turned on did the battery starts to drain faster.

So as long as you do not need to perform background sync too often, your battery life should last you pretty long for a smartphone.

I even played with the TuneIn radio through WiFi for a while and it was not too bad.

Hopes this has been helpful to anyone that's reading .. though I noticed that the last post was like months ago! Hahahah ...
[XPERIA X10 General] cuongviva:
I had problem when charge my phone X10i, I turn the porwer for charging but my phone auto turn the porwer on, please help how to fix this problem?
[XPERIA X10 General] Kimodroid:
It looks like the phone turns on, but that is not really what is happening.

If you turn the phone off, and plug in the charging cable, the phone does not really turn on, it just turns on the charging system. When you press the power button in this charging state, then the phone turns on. ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] Kimodroid:
It appears to me that the battery drains faster running Android 2.2.1 on my X10i.

I have been using "FreeX10 | BETA 4 - NEW BASEBAND FIX | Froyo 2.2.1" for the past week.

Yesterday i flashed my X10i with the "X10x EW Jet ROM" which is a modified stock rom 2.1.

I unplugged the charger almost 24hours ago and I the battery is now at 70% !!!

I don't have automatic background synchronization turned on.

Too bad that APP2SD doesn't run on Android 2.1 :(

Just did a restore back to FreeX10 | BETA 4 Froyo 2.2.1 and the battery level has dropped 15% in less than an hour.

It is now obvious to me that Froyo 2.2.1 uses a lot more battery power than Eclair 2.1.x on the X10i.
[XPERIA X10 General] fiscidtox:
I can get two days off of mine on free x10 beta 4 with moderate usage... I actually find it is better than 2.1 was
[XPERIA X10 General] sasukewa:
I have the same problem. Mine doesnt charge beyond 87%. It seems to drop charge very quickly. I used xrecovery to reset the battery stat and it is still the same. I am running the 2.1.A.0.435 new baseband with this theme: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=832253

Are you using the same baseband and theme?

Adrian
[XPERIA X10 General] Lord Takyon:
Just want to add that every time I flash beta 4 my battery drains at an alarming rate. Setcpu makes no difference.

Sent from my X10i
[XPERIA X10 General] sasukewa:
I've since used a different charger and used the jet version of 2.1. It seems to charge beyond the 88%.
[XPERIA X10 General] Flamso:
True true. :) Thanks for the info!
[XPERIA X10 General] im_iceman:
Thanks for this.. I'll see how it goes.... certainly been better today.. but not had 3G switched - We can't get it in my house!.. using Wifi though..

Incidentally - no response from SE yet!
[XPERIA X10 General] CharlesW123:
JuiceDefender/Ultimate Juice results

Hi all, right after installing and configuring the Juice Defender app (free but worth getting the paid Ultimate Juice version imho, available on Android Market) I have ran for around 36 hours. Phone used a fair bit ie. surfing the 'net, downloading a few mp4 movie trailer clips, 3-4 hours listening to podcasts and general phone use (20-30 texts and 2 or 3 calls) the battery is now just down to 32%, which is pretty good for a smartphone if you ask me :)

As per another post'er it's worth using the phone until the battery dies and recharging it then and only then at least 3 or 4 times, then the battery seems to work a lot better too!
[XPERIA X10 General] nihonjintaylor:
I've done a little test to see if Moxier was the issue.

I installed moxier on my rooted magic 32b that i have running android 2.1 (maybe that's not fair ^^;; )

Anyway I left both off last night and woke up to find xperia at 65% already used and the magic didn't go down 1%...

I find it really really odd that it won't fully sleep and hope someone can pinpoint the exact problem...
[XPERIA X10 General] tuxStyle:
I don't have much experience with android but battery drain comes usually from:

- bluetooth active all the time

- wifi set to regularly check for wireless network

- 3g active when is not necessarily

- applications/services running in background

- applications getting data from internet at short intervals (using wifi, 3g)

- faster processor (maybe an app to underclock the cpu over the night or when is in standby will help)

- using animated wallpapers or a shell like SPB

I have a Nokia 5800 XM and after the reboot i have to kill most of the processes, turn off bluetooth, wifi and 3g when i don't use them (and use GPRS for mail). I stopped using gDesk, emoze and a program checking for tweets/facebook regular intervals.

This improved the time with hours.

Before my batter was drained in about 8h now, it lasts around 14h :)
[XPERIA X10 General] jojedk:
I stop auto opdate of:

Gmail

FB

Timescape

And that help me alot.

before I got 8h now I'm 26h and still got 45% left:):)
[XPERIA X10 General] nihonjintaylor:
Going to give that a try~

Is there any way to totally get rid of FB?
[XPERIA X10 General] saltorio:
What were your update interval settings before?
[XPERIA X10 General] Flamso:
How did you turn off Gmails auto update? I can't seem to find the setting. :(